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Moe Factz with Adam Curry for
October 7, 2019. This is episode

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number 10. Can you believe that
Moe? It's like two and a half,

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two and a half months now.

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Right? We're in double digits. I
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this is great double digits.
Yes, we we went double digits.

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Exactly. How are you doing?

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I'm doing well made it through a
week of programming, social

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programming and I made it out
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Yes, I got a lot of great
feedback on on the last episode

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The colorism stuff, man, a lot
of people had no idea about

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this.

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Yeah, I got a lot of great DMS
and messages and emails as well.

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gave a lot of people insight. I
surprised a lot of people. Not a

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lot, but a handful of people
contacted me and said that they

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had parents say the same thing
to them that Tina, and I'm not

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gonna know what Matthew knows,
be honest, his father told him

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right, right, told him about
don't bring a dark skinned

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person home. So I'm just
interested in where it stems

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from. So I'll do more research
on that. But overall, great,

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great feedback, as always, yes.
And I'd

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like to start by saying that
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program, which means we'd like
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You listen to the show for an
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you go to the movies, it's
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it's valuable to you, we'd love
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did tell me what the topic was
going to be for today. Of course

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I know what the case is about.
I'm really happy because it was

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just I don't know, just a couple
days ago. The keeper asked me

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today what's going on exactly
with this? I said you know, I

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really don't know. I know the
outlines of the case but I

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really it's I just didn't look
into it. So let us kick it off

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for today.

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Okay, so we're going to go and
talk about the amber Geiger and

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Botham Shawn trial. That's where
well, let's let's get into clip

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number one. Let them tell us
what's about on September

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6 2018. Dallas police officer
Amber Geiger killed both of John

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inside his apartment. According
to police, she thought his

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apartment was her own. Geiger
said his door was unlocked, and

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she mistook John for a burglar.
I'm Natalie Coleman and this is

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the reporter's notebook from the
Dallas Morning News. A recap

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about the biggest stories you
need to know Geiger is murder

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trial is set for September 23
2019. jurors will hear testimony

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about what happened that night
at the Southside flats

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apartments just south of
downtown Dallas. Geiger lived

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one floor below Shawn, and it
appears they never met. A jury

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will have to decide Gallagher's
fate. Jury selection begins

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September 6 2019, exactly one
year after Geiger shot and

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killed John.

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Right, exactly. This was a very
weird case, wrong apartment.

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Some love interest things that
we're on the periphery confusing

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Of course, there's a racial
element to it. I'm very

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interested to hear what we're
going to look at today how it

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unfolds.

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So this is not going to be our
typical format show that we have

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been doing with the historical
while ride out because I wanted

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to take this opportunity in real
time to let people see how the

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media manipulation is targeted
towards black people. That way

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we can we could talk it out in
the fields. So I found this ABC

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article. ABC piece it was about
seven minutes long and I chopped

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it up into multiple pieces and I
found it to be very mind control

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shift from the whimsy. Wait,
wait wait a min

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ABC was broadcasting something
that you found to be mind

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control ition G What are the
chances? Yes. I'm shocked.

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Alright, so let's get into the
ABC News background are one.

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Amber Geiger was an off duty
police officer arriving home

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after a long day of work
sometime around 10pm Her

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neighbor 26 year old both of
them John was in his apartment.

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Exactly what happened next is
still a mystery. But what we

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know is Geiger went to John's
apartment. She says she thought

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it was hers. When she saw him,
she fatally shot in the

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aftermath of that moment
captured in this video, the

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incident sparking questions
nationwide about race, police

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transparency, and an officer's
use of deadly force.

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And I must point out, whenever a
so called news item has really

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creepy music under it. It's mind
controlling. Yes, that's how it

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usually goes.

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That's exactly why I didn't say
anything. It began with the Big

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Gong, or I guess you would call
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you in it has the, you know,
the, like you pointed out creepy

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music. And it just goes on from
there. So what I want to do is

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for half our audience, and I
don't know if it's 50%, but for

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a good majority of our audience
or good secondary audience,

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they'll receive it the way I
received it, as they're trying

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to manipulate me, they are first
starting second saying they've

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already thrown race into the
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I mean, we have to really, you
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in the case and past shootings
and things of that nature, but

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right off the bat to hit you
with the race thing that Nas you

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being immediate right or wrong.
Race is good for ratings

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Correct?

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Well, this story has almost
everything you need. Race is

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good for ratings. You know, the
the old news business, of

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course, is if it bleeds, it
leads, so we got that in there.

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We got love interest, all kinds
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these days, absolutely. If we
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there, people will pay

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attention.

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So with that in mind, that's
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deconstruct and D you know,
break break break break apart.

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So let's just get into clip
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According to the arrest
affidavit, Geiger who lived on

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the third floor and park on the
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that night. She headed to the
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unit, thinking she said it was
her own. The door she says was

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slightly open the interior dark.

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I thought it was my apartment. I
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She says that over and over
again in this five minute

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recording. Is that significant
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significant to the point that it
makes me feel that that call was

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staged. It made me feel that she
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Geiger still in uniform said she
thought she spotted a burglar.

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But in fact it was the apartment
resident both of them John, she

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then fire two shots hitting John
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Wow. That's some interesting
supposition. I guess whatever

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you want to call us out on the
scripted that's something I

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would say typically, but I
didn't come across as scripted

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to me.

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So as we get more into it, and
the way I clip it, is kind of

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out of order. Because I did it
in segments. Okay, so we got the

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background, or we have a police
officer coming up at 13 and a

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half hour shift. Coming home. I
think she lived on the third

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floor, but she parks on the
fourth floor. She goes to the

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apartment she assumes to be hers
enters the apartment, and

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there's some gray area about how
she got a narrative The door was

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locked. If she not, they're not.
But somehow, later in the case,

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they in spoiler alert to the
movie, Amy here, because that's

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what it is. Let's just slow down
for a minute. I want to point

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out to people, when you hear
these cases, avoid them like the

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plague. This is what I do. If it
wasn't for this show, I would

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have not gone as deep as I dig
into this story. Because I

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understand how they want to
manipulate me how they want to

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prod and poke and well hold on.
Hold on,

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hold on a second. Let me ask you
about that. When you say they

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want to manipulate you. In what
way I mean, would you you're

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speaking from experience, I hear
this. I'm just like, I hated the

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music. I'm like I'm out I didn't
want to listen to the story but

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so I'm glad I'm glad we're doing
it. But you feel that it's going

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to be manipulated in an in a
putting the the black person in

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a negative light. Is that your
immediate feeling when you when

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you hear that? No.

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I think it's about ratings from
the immediate Well, yeah, so of

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course they want to date Wow.
Correct. As you just said,

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that's interesting. How they say
that sounded scripted. They're

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gonna throw raw meat to both
sides. Oh, nice. They're gonna

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be pro police. They're gonna
give you a little pro police and

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then they're gonna give you a
little pro black nine. They're

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gonna keep doing this thing to
bring both sides in and then

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what you have is This explosion,
when both sides get invested,

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it's kind of like the Super
Bowl, or anything else or

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make you or just like political
polling. And we you know, I

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think we've talked about this
certainly I know agenda. It's

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like you got all close race too
close to call, oh, you know,

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spend more, spend more. That's
exactly what it is keep them

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glued.

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I was pulled in by this with the
political polling that Kamal is

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trending up. Yeah, back to the
older episode, I got pulled in.

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I got suckered in from my
headlines. So this, if you don't

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listen to the media spin on
these things, then it will

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affect you in a way that it
does. And by that, and I'm okay.

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I think a lot of people want to
say, Why do black people, and I

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don't want to say overgeneralize
get so sucked into these

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stories? It's because the way
the media targeted, targeted us

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with these stories,

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hold on Moe. White people get
sucked in just as hard with

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these stories when they're
presented this way it works.

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True, true. True. Oh, I'm not
saying it does it. But I can

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always speak from one
perspective. And that's why this

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conversation that happened,
because you can I think this is

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probably only the one one place
that you can get this

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conversation to happen. Yeah, in
real time. I think that's the

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real value of the show. And
that's why I was I was really

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5050 on not even doing this this
show this topic on this episode.

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Because I didn't want to feed
into it. But I was like, this is

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a great not only decided last
night.

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No, no, that's good. And let me
just tell you, this is probably

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appropriate before we get too
deep into it. The way the story

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read to me was, here's a cop.
The 13 hours was significant.

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You know, I'm tired after 13
hours. I have parked on the

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wrong floor in my building
previously. But I noticed that

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when I got to the door, you know
in the parking garage, the door

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that goes into the into the
actual residence. So I I've done

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this just in mindlessness, of
course the door being maybe open

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or I mean, you gotta be really
tired. Now then to add on top of

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all of that, because of course I
forgot all this, like, Yeah,

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whatever this is over. And then
Tina asked me about it. I really

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don't know. I really haven't
looked into it. Because it's to

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me, it seems like Well, bad shit
happens all the time. But this

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is one that's playing out. It's
like all these you know, True

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Crime Murder things people are
obsessed with. And it's not for

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me. However, when I saw a quick
news snippet the other day of of

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the cop, I was like, Oh, she's
cute. That did draw me in a

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little bit for for a second. I'm
like, oh, but again, I

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personally you know, because
just who I am, I didn't care but

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I think you're absolutely right.
This was a ratings Bonanza in

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just laying in waiting to be
brought out to the masses. So

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that's what

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makes for the perfect movie. And
that's why I use this background

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clip because they actually sell
it as a movie trailer. trailer

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right? When I heard this I was
like, This sounds like a movie

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trailer aren't they? It was Matt
missing was the guy that did

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deep work

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in a world where white cops kill
Black people the wrong floor.

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Yeah, exactly.

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So let's go let's Okay, so we
we've gotten the background so

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we're going to break it down.
The first reaction is always the

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911 call. So we're going to hear
her talking to 911

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and then off to the officer I
thought it was in my apartment

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and I shot it I think in that he
was thinking it was my apartment

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and attorney for John's family
listening with us the audio

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obtained exclusively by Dallas
station W FAA.

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All I can imagine was both them
on the ground taking this last

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breath and that was very
difficult for me.

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Okay, we have help on the way I
know that was my job.

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I thought it was my recording
Geiger can be heard growing

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increasingly distraught. Oh my
God. You're now potentially

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facing prison time.

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Oh, God, having listened to a
lot of 911 calls in

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investigative research. This was
not the 911 call. This was the

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911 call. But I don't know how
it was at Did she goes from? Oh

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my god to oh my god, I'm gonna
lose my job. I don't know if

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that was her first thought. I
don't know if that was her first

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thought but it certainly was
presented that way which makes

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me feel immediately like why did
she think of that? Is that the

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first thing you'd think of? I
wouldn't be thinking of that but

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I don't know if that was it was
chopped up who knows what it

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was?

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And we have to listen to the
helter skelter what way is being

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presented. One guy said all I
could think about was Botham

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Langley right? Yeah. And yeah,
nice did she come and then he

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comes back with the next edit.
Oh, I'm gonna lose my job and

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she sounds like a little girl
sounds like a little innocent

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child which which makes me
believe or makes me think of

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Greta

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yeah oh Greta tune bury the 16
year old climate extravaganza

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who they always make to look
younger. Interesting. So that I

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just take this as a personal
takeaway. I what we're doing

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here is

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what OPERS instructing we're
deconstructing it and Realty.

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Yes.

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Correct. So next day going to a
little the victims bio. So now

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that 911 Call beginning to shed
light on what happened that

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night. Both of them John of St.
Lucia native is described by his

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friends and family as a quote
ray of sunshine.

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Both of them had a love for
everything and everyone. So I

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just want the message of love to
permeate throughout this whole

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process. An active

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member of the Pearland West
Church of Christ he was beloved

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by many everybody is this pack
service held and his honor shows

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his fate forever changed by
Amber Geiger.

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Now I recognize this as a
template that the news media

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does all the time. Whenever a
usually a young black man is

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shot. This is the template. He
was great at school active

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member of the church. I'm just
being brutally honest with you.

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Obviously. That's what you and I
do together. What I'm missing.

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I'm missing his mother crying.
But that's that was that was his

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mother. That was his mother.
Okay, so that's that that was

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his mother. That's the template.
That is the news template in

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America when a black man is
shot.

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Yes. And we will add previous
shows. We know why. We know the

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connection with the mother and
the child. Who they're the

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target audience they're trying
to reach. With this news story.

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It could be your son the talk.
This thing wraps a bunch of what

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we've talked about in all the
previous episodes up into one

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nice little pack. You

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almost think they're listening
to us for instructions.

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But it's sick, it's sick and
away. It is but what I can say

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about Botham, John is he was a
good guy. He was in his house,

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laying on his floor on his
couch. whatever story you want

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to believe eating a bowl of ice
cream. You can't get any more

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innocent than that. He was an
accountant. No priors. So this

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only heightened

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Wait, wait, you mean he wasn't
your typical black guy? drug

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dealer? What? I'm so confused.

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Right. Right. Yeah. Which is the
narrative they like to go with

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hell yeah. Um, so this only
heightens the stakes in this

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case because it's like it's
purely innocent. Botham

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attractive quote unquote
attractive white woman cop

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blonde she fits cat perfect
casting he was a central casting

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blonde and he's just these two
people collide into

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into this perfect

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cat um, what's the word I want
to test tragedy tragedy? Sure.

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Tasha Yes. Perfect. It's a
perfect tragedy. So but what you

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pointed out something you said
that um, he's not the typical

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drug dealer. But in this
happening in real time, right

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after the case on right after
the shooting. His character was

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attempted to be assassinated.

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Insane case also in Texas.
Marlon Jean, and it keeps

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getting more crazy. He's the
black man killed by Dallas cop.

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She says she accidentally
entered his apartment thinking

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it was hers and thought he was
an intruder. But there are some

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ego holes in this. Yeah, you
there's

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so much more that we don't know.
And the apartment itself even

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going to the door. He had a red
mat in front of it. Hers did not

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she said

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she had a bunch of packages and
couldn't say couldn't

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see. Well enough. have to shoot
and

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she says the door was ajar. Yet
the neighbors are saying they

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heard someone banging on the
door saying let me in. But let

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me let me

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ask you a jar. She just you as a
police officer don't know if

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there's 50 people in their
attorney. Why didn't you call

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for backup? Well, you pulled
your web Exactly. It sounds like

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some whether it was a draw or
not. There's a lot of this a lot

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of stuff. And then they tried to
assassinate his character by

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saying, you know, they found
marijuana in there. Yeah. So you

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telling me that somebody in
their own house can't smoke and

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smoke.

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Smoking?

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Who said that smoking while
Black Witch view lady

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said that. That was a whoopee

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was that will be you said I
don't I couldn't tell if it was

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we'll be talking. That was we'll
be talking and then who chimed

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in? Joy?

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No, of course. Well, so this
was, this is what we do in the

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United States media. We talk out
of our buttholes with no

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evidence we don't have no idea.
When I think by the way, a cop

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shows up at her own door and
it's a jar which is kind of

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triggered for me the memory of
the of the story whenever it

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started, like oh, well yeah, if
I'm a cop, and I show up at my

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own door, and it's a jar my
weapons out and I'm ready to you

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know, I'm a cop. So I'm gonna go
in and, and be ready for

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anything that happens. That was
the narrative that I caught when

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it first came out. You know, I
don't even know if I heard it.

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Right. But that's what I what I
heard. And so here they are

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saying, well, you'd call for
backup. I would disagree with

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Whoopi on that.

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But they did try to assassinate
his character. Of course. Yes,

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of course. But here we go. The
way the narrative was painted to

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target me and like I said, I
heard these things in glimpses

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in. I really didn't put a lot of
time into listening to it, but

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just what gravitated towards me,
you know, I heard I'm just

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talking to people. The story was
this is how I was told

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secondhand from people and I'm
just giving you the perspective

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of how they received it. He was
landing land on his floor eating

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a bowl of ice cream she whipped
out the gun and shot him on the

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floor. Did you know there was no
confrontation? There's no

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interaction Okay, which that's
not true. But the guys laying on

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his floor eating a bowl of ice
cream how more innocent can you

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get? But they did try it the as
the media always does when you

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try going back to the campaign
analogy when one guy was running

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away with it. What did he always
do away with the campaign

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sandbag attack yes do whatever
you can of course

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because he's seen my is to open
shut down to have a too much of

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an open and shut case and a
sports analogy a blowout sale by

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all we got to we got it we got
to bounce it out. You know this

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put the interview and you window
out there to you know he was

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drug related right now. I mean,
oh, does a smoker, Joy ice

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cream. I mean, come on. I mean,
this is America.

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Usually it's in that order? Yes.
It starts with the joint and oh,

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man, I really need some ice
cream. Yes,

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of course. So I'll just say that
as a bad thing. Even if he did

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have drugs. How could that be
negative? I don't understand.

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But this just goes to show well,
it's

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back. It's back to the the black
guy drug dealer. That's that was

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the thing that I caught from it
by saying

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yes. Yeah.

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And I think one thing that we
have with me you have is we have

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these deconstructionist eyes. So
it prevents us to see how the

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general public sees things.

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Sometimes, yeah, we already have
a prophylactic over our head.

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Right. So it makes zero when I
heard that. I was like, We got

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my eyes rolled. I was like, Hold
on, I had to go back and like

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look at through the lens of the
of the unwashed

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coined a phrase.

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All right. Um, so moving
forward. We're gonna get into

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the shooters by him. Alright.

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Amber Geiger, a four year
veteran of the Dallas police

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force.

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This is a person who has been on
patrol for four years, they have

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a pretty good idea of how to
handle stressful situations.

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There is nothing to say the two
neighbors had a relationship.

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But on September 6, after a more
than 13 hour shift, diagur, who

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was off duty arrived back to her
Dallas apartment building where

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she and John's lives would cross
in the worst way possible. At

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that

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point, she could be running
around from job to job so that

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factors in here

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and when it What did he say at

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the end that she was going from
what he said at that point she

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could be running around Now from
job to job, so I'm assuming he's

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making, you know, saying that
she could be working off duty

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jobs. Okay. That's how I that's
how I took it. It was like yeah,

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so but that's how I took it but
now they're laying out that

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she's a seasoned she's a four
year problems and four year vet

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on the force. So she should know
how to interact with these

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cases. So like I said, they're
still the news is not picking

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any sides here they gave me a
little to give them a little red

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meat to both sides to keep you
enthralled and you're saying it

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entertain yes and in the most

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nefarious that's the word.

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Yeah, it's reducing a cup get
keep you caught into

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it's disgusting. Yeah. And you
know, this of course was abused

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excessively with the OJ trial. I
mean, this is the the media

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knows this is a success formula.

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Yes. All the way down to the who
the characters are. Now I have

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to ask this question. If it was
a white woman shooting a white

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man, no press. If it was a black
person shooting a black person,

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no press correct. But as we
pointed out before, in the

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casting of this movie,
everything is perfect as you got

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everything is everything is

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right down right down to the cop
being a woman couldn't doesn't

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get any better. blonde woman Oh,
excuse me. Yes. Perfect, perfect

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academy award with

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the with the German sounding
last name. I mean, that matters.

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I mean, oh, yeah. I didn't even
think about that.

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But what a valley girl first me
Amber, who was saying?

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Yeah, yeah. In fact, if you had
you can't, if you wrote it this

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way. Hollywood go, man, that's
too blatant. That's, that's no,

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no, that's unbelievable. It's so
perfect. And he yet here we are.

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Here we are. And not and I knew
that. The reason why I played

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that first clip, the very first
clip is how it was undone in

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ANSYS. It was D sensationalized,
it was a straight to the point.

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This is what happened, you know,
and willing to go to trial. But

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once the mass mainstream media
got to hold to it was like, This

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is too good to be true. That's
right. So now we're going back

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to 911 call.

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Gorgeous EMS. Are you both 20
times on that? 911 call Geiger

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tells the dispatcher she thought
the apartment was her own. At

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one point saying she was tired.
No, no.

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Okay, so now we hear her saying
she's tired. She's tired. Is

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that what I heard?

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Yes, I'm tired. I'm not laughing
is this crazy? So we have to get

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to the point of asking. How in
the hell do you not know you're

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not at your apartment? Right?
That is the million dollar

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question. Because you brought it
up yourself. We all made

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mistakes been distracted, you
know? Yeah, I've

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tried. I've tried to get into
the wrong car. You know, that's

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happened, of course, you know,
dumb stuff like that. Yeah,

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I was just about to say that. I
was gonna give that same

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analogy. My wife was sitting I
was I wasn't in this other

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store. My wife sitting in a
parked car waiting for me. And a

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woman comes and hops in the car

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car. Right because when you're
distracted, you're distracted.

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Okay, so I think so she comes up
to the door. And everybody makes

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a point that there's he had a
huge red. Welcome, Matt. Welcome

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mat in front of his door. So
you'd have to ask how in the

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hell are you that distracted?
Let the next clip explain to you

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how

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Omar via Franca is at the
courthouse in Dallas. Omar, what

443
00:29:26,970 --> 00:29:28,260
did prosecutors reveal?

444
00:29:30,150 --> 00:29:32,340
Good morning. Prosecutors say
that at the time of the

445
00:29:32,340 --> 00:29:35,490
shooting. Amber Geiger was
preoccupied, talking and texting

446
00:29:35,490 --> 00:29:38,520
with a partner who she was
romantically involved with. The

447
00:29:38,520 --> 00:29:41,280
jury got a preview of some of
those sexually explicit

448
00:29:41,280 --> 00:29:46,650
messages. She shoots twice at
the start of amber Geiger is

449
00:29:46,650 --> 00:29:50,250
trial. Prosecutors argued the
former Dallas police officer

450
00:29:50,340 --> 00:29:53,940
missed several opportunities to
avoid the deadly confrontation

451
00:29:53,940 --> 00:29:56,640
with her neighbor. 26 year old
both them John

452
00:29:56,820 --> 00:30:02,160
for errors for her omissions
Bowling pay the ultimate price.

453
00:30:02,310 --> 00:30:06,030
According to prosecutors, one of
those errors was a romantic

454
00:30:06,030 --> 00:30:09,240
conversation. Geiger was
carrying on with her patrol

455
00:30:09,240 --> 00:30:13,170
partner. In the minutes before
the shooting Geiger and fellow

456
00:30:13,170 --> 00:30:17,340
officer Martin Rivera allegedly
had a phone call and exchanged

457
00:30:17,340 --> 00:30:19,230
sexually explicit messages

458
00:30:19,320 --> 00:30:22,650
now Okay, so that's where it
came from. I knew there was some

459
00:30:22,650 --> 00:30:26,100
romantic thing in there, but I
now I least have the story

460
00:30:26,130 --> 00:30:28,080
according to the media.

461
00:30:28,740 --> 00:30:30,720
But did you catch how she was
distracted?

462
00:30:31,140 --> 00:30:33,180
At the very beginning? No, I
heard you ring the bell, but I

463
00:30:33,180 --> 00:30:33,690
missed it.

464
00:30:34,590 --> 00:30:35,700
It's right at the very
beginning.

465
00:30:36,990 --> 00:30:39,690
Let me play it again. Omar
Villafranca is at the courthouse

466
00:30:39,690 --> 00:30:41,040
in Dallas. Omar, what

467
00:30:41,040 --> 00:30:42,330
did prosecutors reveal?

468
00:30:44,100 --> 00:30:46,410
Good morning. Prosecutors say
that at the time of the

469
00:30:46,410 --> 00:30:49,530
shooting. Amber Geiger was
preoccupied talking and texting

470
00:30:49,530 --> 00:30:52,590
with a partner who she was
romantically involved with. The

471
00:30:52,590 --> 00:30:55,350
jury got a preview of some of
those sexually explicit

472
00:30:55,350 --> 00:30:56,070
messages.

473
00:30:58,230 --> 00:31:02,550
talking and talking and texting
she's distracting while shooting

474
00:31:06,600 --> 00:31:10,260
you know, when I played this
game, if if someone's on the

475
00:31:10,260 --> 00:31:12,480
street, I give Miss if they're
holding their phone. I give

476
00:31:12,480 --> 00:31:16,650
myself one point. If they're on
the phone standing on the

477
00:31:16,650 --> 00:31:19,350
street, two points. If they're
on the phone on the street

478
00:31:19,350 --> 00:31:23,790
walking, I get three points. If
someone's driving while on the

479
00:31:23,790 --> 00:31:27,930
phone, five points. I think if
you're killing people, that's

480
00:31:27,930 --> 00:31:32,520
got to be a free game. If you're
on a phone and shooting people,

481
00:31:32,580 --> 00:31:35,490
you really win that game. Crazy.
Okay,

482
00:31:35,520 --> 00:31:40,830
well, that explains how because
we've all been distracted. We've

483
00:31:40,860 --> 00:31:45,000
all we've all I mean, we've all
done it. But how do you get all

484
00:31:45,000 --> 00:31:49,320
the way to your house and not
realize it's your house? It's

485
00:31:49,320 --> 00:31:53,850
very easy if you're on your
phone. Yes. clickety clacking

486
00:31:53,850 --> 00:31:57,930
away at the keyboard you know,
especially if somebody's saying

487
00:31:57,930 --> 00:32:02,520
very it's something very
interesting when you i sexting

488
00:32:02,940 --> 00:32:04,170
was what they were doing.

489
00:32:05,700 --> 00:32:09,900
Well, you know, and this could
kind of explain her again we

490
00:32:09,900 --> 00:32:14,040
didn't hear the 911 call in
context we heard it edited. But

491
00:32:14,070 --> 00:32:17,580
if if I'm texting and all this
comes down and I'm just playing

492
00:32:17,700 --> 00:32:21,060
you know the advocate of the
devil I'm texting I'm doing all

493
00:32:21,060 --> 00:32:23,700
this I walk in somehow
something's messed up the doors

494
00:32:23,700 --> 00:32:29,130
open I'm I'm carrying on an
affair with one of my

495
00:32:29,130 --> 00:32:33,510
colleagues. This is maybe where
the immediate response so I'm

496
00:32:33,510 --> 00:32:36,420
gonna lose my job or response
I'm gonna lose my job came from

497
00:32:36,420 --> 00:32:39,690
as she's putting it all together
in her head and I'm just making

498
00:32:39,690 --> 00:32:42,060
it up as they go along as to
what I hear as the story

499
00:32:42,060 --> 00:32:42,840
unfolds.

500
00:32:43,260 --> 00:32:45,930
Okay, let's clear up the door
thing so we just don't have to

501
00:32:45,930 --> 00:32:49,860
wonder about your thing anymore
because some people say that

502
00:32:49,950 --> 00:32:53,550
they heard or not other people
say that it was it was oh, it

503
00:32:53,550 --> 00:32:58,680
was crack open the what came out
in the case was that the door

504
00:32:58,680 --> 00:33:03,480
was locked but not latched. So
she did put her key Oh turned it

505
00:33:03,480 --> 00:33:10,440
and it opened with it in turn
what it pushed open okay so I

506
00:33:10,440 --> 00:33:16,860
say perfect perfect tragedy it's
hospice door had latch properly.

507
00:33:17,130 --> 00:33:21,510
She went to bed to get in right
but the fact that his door

508
00:33:21,510 --> 00:33:25,620
didn't latch agency put a key in
she still

509
00:33:25,890 --> 00:33:29,657
Yeah, Moe, Moe strike one for
the black man. I'm sorry. He

510
00:33:29,721 --> 00:33:32,190
gotta lock your door. Strike one
right

511
00:33:34,500 --> 00:33:37,200
you gotta you gotta keep that
door lock. Yeah.

512
00:33:39,330 --> 00:33:41,880
Yeah, so yeah.

513
00:33:43,230 --> 00:33:48,480
But you being the OTG guy. I
thought I thought that will be

514
00:33:48,480 --> 00:33:49,890
very interesting to you.

515
00:33:49,920 --> 00:33:52,650
Well, it's the crux of it right
now the way you've presented it

516
00:33:52,680 --> 00:33:57,150
it's the crux of the case. So
please kill me phones kill and

517
00:33:57,150 --> 00:33:57,960
the story

518
00:33:58,470 --> 00:34:01,770
but we can't let that get in the
way of a good narrative

519
00:34:01,800 --> 00:34:03,090
Oh hell no ratings

520
00:34:03,360 --> 00:34:07,680
if you if you're in the right if
you're all bonehead woman shoots

521
00:34:08,190 --> 00:34:12,660
cuz she's 16 I mean that does
have a nice nice ring to it. But

522
00:34:12,660 --> 00:34:17,190
you know they still not cool
them in white female cop shoots

523
00:34:17,280 --> 00:34:22,260
innocent black man eating a bowl
of ice cream is the best shot I

524
00:34:22,620 --> 00:34:28,110
would try to target and the
people out there had turned out

525
00:34:28,110 --> 00:34:32,760
you triggered knob. We're we're
being loose with this because

526
00:34:32,790 --> 00:34:37,410
what we want to do is
desensitize people to the over

527
00:34:38,760 --> 00:34:39,450
price

528
00:34:39,480 --> 00:34:42,982
abuse, abuse, Moe it's abuse,
abuse, abuse, the media is

529
00:34:43,045 --> 00:34:46,110
abusing you. That's exactly
what's going on here.

530
00:34:46,590 --> 00:34:49,500
So what we're going to do is
we're going to be light with it

531
00:34:49,500 --> 00:34:52,650
because we don't want to be add
to that we don't want to add to

532
00:34:52,650 --> 00:34:59,070
that so we can see clear this is
easy open shut case woman

533
00:34:59,070 --> 00:35:03,540
distracted wanted to because
she's not distracted. She's just

534
00:35:03,540 --> 00:35:08,070
tired. You say that's not my
couch, right? That's not my

535
00:35:08,070 --> 00:35:08,640
chair.

536
00:35:08,670 --> 00:35:12,000
Right? Especially if you're
looking at dick pics. Yeah,

537
00:35:12,000 --> 00:35:12,990
you're distracted.

538
00:35:13,680 --> 00:35:21,060
Right? And then some black guy
jumps up, hey pause our gun,

539
00:35:21,330 --> 00:35:25,830
bang dead? Because you get
there's no way you can tell me

540
00:35:25,830 --> 00:35:28,680
she wasn't distracted if she
walks into their environment,

541
00:35:28,830 --> 00:35:31,830
unless you're gonna say she
assassinated him. Right? Well,

542
00:35:31,830 --> 00:35:33,030
it's and that was

543
00:35:34,290 --> 00:35:38,340
that it's interesting that the
jury had ordered. I mean, this

544
00:35:38,340 --> 00:35:42,000
is where we're at the story. The
jury knew this. The jury has the

545
00:35:42,240 --> 00:35:48,570
has the sex, apparently. So. Now
I don't know if a jury of her

546
00:35:48,570 --> 00:35:51,930
peers which is the way we do it
in the United States, if they

547
00:35:51,930 --> 00:35:57,060
consider what it's like to be
distracted on the phone. Most

548
00:35:57,060 --> 00:36:00,750
people are distracted all the
time because of their devices

549
00:36:00,810 --> 00:36:02,340
and don't even realize it.

550
00:36:04,290 --> 00:36:07,260
That's a very good point. And
we've seen people walk in the

551
00:36:07,260 --> 00:36:12,000
manhole Yeah, we've seen people
crash in the cars walk in front

552
00:36:12,000 --> 00:36:12,990
of car know that

553
00:36:13,860 --> 00:36:19,560
pedestrian death rates are up 5%
year over year with cars killing

554
00:36:19,560 --> 00:36:26,340
them. And since in the in the
past 10 years, it's a 41% since

555
00:36:26,370 --> 00:36:30,420
2008. So and of course phones
are a part of that statistic.

556
00:36:31,260 --> 00:36:36,120
Right. So let's get let's go on
with the distract distracted

557
00:36:36,120 --> 00:36:38,580
narrative with distracted to
whatever is

558
00:36:38,580 --> 00:36:41,580
on her mind after that
conversation has consumed her

559
00:36:41,580 --> 00:36:42,780
attention entirely.

560
00:36:42,810 --> 00:36:45,510
In the opening statement, the
defense dismissed the

561
00:36:45,510 --> 00:36:49,260
prosecution's argument that
Geiger should have realised she

562
00:36:49,260 --> 00:36:51,480
was on the wrong floor in front
of Bolton's

563
00:36:51,480 --> 00:37:00,630
apartment. Is this extremely
obvious bright red floor mat to

564
00:37:00,630 --> 00:37:05,430
say that she was aware there was
a red doormat and knowingly

565
00:37:05,430 --> 00:37:09,390
ignored it because you wanted to
go into 1478 and shoot this man

566
00:37:09,480 --> 00:37:10,620
is preposterous.

567
00:37:11,730 --> 00:37:16,290
Yeah, I love I love prosecutors
and defense attorneys. They

568
00:37:16,290 --> 00:37:17,370
always paint the picture.

569
00:37:18,090 --> 00:37:21,510
So this goes to show you and I
think the real problem that she

570
00:37:21,510 --> 00:37:24,300
had was when she parked on the
wrong floor. I think that's

571
00:37:24,300 --> 00:37:29,100
where the distraction originally
happened. Yeah, because after

572
00:37:29,100 --> 00:37:30,990
that, you're in autopilot.

573
00:37:31,980 --> 00:37:34,740
So she was driving while sexting
to obviously

574
00:37:35,400 --> 00:37:39,570
yes, yes. And they said that in
the previous two clips that she

575
00:37:39,570 --> 00:37:45,060
was yeah she was she was just
going at it um and that I think

576
00:37:45,060 --> 00:37:47,490
that's how she ended up on the
fourth floor instead the third

577
00:37:47,490 --> 00:37:50,310
floor and then you know all the
Florida set up the same so

578
00:37:50,310 --> 00:37:53,520
you're just going through your
your routine your

579
00:37:53,520 --> 00:37:56,670
memory yeah your your routine
muscle memory Sure. Yeah, your

580
00:37:56,670 --> 00:37:59,760
muscle memory and that's how she
ended up that the door she

581
00:37:59,760 --> 00:38:03,090
assumed it was hers. The door
the lock should have stopped

582
00:38:03,090 --> 00:38:06,480
there but it didn't and then
then everything after that just

583
00:38:06,480 --> 00:38:09,780
snowballs. But let's get into
the Strategy three, done that

584
00:38:09,780 --> 00:38:13,350
revelation was this ongoing
conversation between Amber

585
00:38:13,350 --> 00:38:17,160
Geiger and her partner this is
evidence that the defense did

586
00:38:17,160 --> 00:38:20,610
not want jurors to see
prosecutors say both officers

587
00:38:20,820 --> 00:38:24,660
deleted this conversation from
their cell phones and when asked

588
00:38:24,690 --> 00:38:28,500
why diverse partner said this
wasn't something he wanted to be

589
00:38:28,500 --> 00:38:33,990
reminded of. In the opening day
of trial officer Amber Geiger

590
00:38:33,990 --> 00:38:36,450
saw her former partner take the
stance which

591
00:38:36,450 --> 00:38:40,920
you sent provocative photographs
of yourself. Yes,

592
00:38:41,250 --> 00:38:44,310
Officer Martin Rivera testified
about the racy messages they

593
00:38:44,310 --> 00:38:48,330
exchanged the day she shot and
killed both them John. Want to

594
00:38:48,330 --> 00:38:52,350
touch read one Geiger sent
around 930 that night. 30

595
00:38:52,350 --> 00:38:57,330
minutes later she texted I need
to hurry. And then I messed up.

596
00:38:57,570 --> 00:39:01,200
But using an expletive their
messages prosecutor say she

597
00:39:01,200 --> 00:39:05,130
typed while on the phone with
911 reporting she'd shot John.

598
00:39:06,360 --> 00:39:10,470
Oh, man this. This just gets
better. This is no longer a

599
00:39:10,470 --> 00:39:13,200
movie. This is a mini series

600
00:39:16,500 --> 00:39:23,460
coming to lifetime or Yes, yes.
You Yeah, exactly. Yeah. So as

601
00:39:23,460 --> 00:39:30,300
you stated she was she was
texting. Distracted. And that's

602
00:39:30,330 --> 00:39:35,190
how she ended up but as you
heard she was even texting after

603
00:39:35,190 --> 00:39:37,740
she shot the man. Yeah.

604
00:39:39,030 --> 00:39:41,370
So this is going to show you
this.

605
00:39:42,960 --> 00:39:48,270
People stay off your phone. off
the phone. Wow. I mean, it's the

606
00:39:48,270 --> 00:39:50,790
life or death and I don't want
to oversimplify it or make it a

607
00:39:50,790 --> 00:39:54,720
phone issue. But this is how
this thing can go really bad

608
00:39:54,720 --> 00:40:00,090
really fast. So what is it go
back you said that the 911 thing

609
00:40:00,090 --> 00:40:05,310
Ingle about her and being
scripted this length lends more

610
00:40:05,520 --> 00:40:10,410
credence to that because I'm
sure she texted her partner

611
00:40:10,410 --> 00:40:14,700
slash lover. I effed up he was
like hold on you know

612
00:40:14,730 --> 00:40:19,500
how well yeah well and this is
this is not a typical for for

613
00:40:19,500 --> 00:40:22,680
law enforcement you know the
minute something like this

614
00:40:22,680 --> 00:40:26,910
happens you know that it's
obviously you've killed another

615
00:40:26,910 --> 00:40:29,400
human being even if you don't
kill someone you shoot you you

616
00:40:29,400 --> 00:40:32,910
draw a fire or you draw your
weapon you fire on someone

617
00:40:33,060 --> 00:40:36,510
there's a whole machine that
starts to kick into gear and

618
00:40:36,510 --> 00:40:41,130
we've also been conditioned
through television. Hey man, I

619
00:40:41,130 --> 00:40:44,940
got my I got my unregistered
weapon on my on my calf. We'll

620
00:40:44,940 --> 00:40:48,390
just plant that on the perp you
know, we're, we're conditioned

621
00:40:48,390 --> 00:40:50,790
to think wait cops do that.
Okay, I'm sorry. I'm ahead of

622
00:40:50,790 --> 00:40:51,420
the game again.

623
00:40:52,050 --> 00:40:55,470
No way. Do you have to take it
and put it in his hand and fire

624
00:40:55,470 --> 00:40:56,040
off a shot?

625
00:40:56,070 --> 00:40:59,400
Oh, that's the bet yeah, I'm...
Hey Moe, what are you, like a professional?

626
00:41:01,350 --> 00:41:06,240
I may not be law orders I've
seen you gotta get the gunpowder

627
00:41:06,240 --> 00:41:07,410
residue on his hands.

628
00:41:08,760 --> 00:41:12,390
That's right. That's right. The
point is we're conditioned to

629
00:41:12,390 --> 00:41:15,870
already think that way. So even
if I don't want to think that

630
00:41:15,870 --> 00:41:19,710
way, I can't help but think
exactly what you said. She's

631
00:41:19,710 --> 00:41:22,680
distracted the whole thing
happens she shoots them and then

632
00:41:22,680 --> 00:41:25,110
she's with a partner Oh shit,
what do I do and he's like,

633
00:41:25,110 --> 00:41:28,620
Okay, first thing you do is
whatever he said you know don't

634
00:41:28,620 --> 00:41:31,590
touch it turn around jumping the
jump in the air and you know,

635
00:41:31,620 --> 00:41:34,110
standing standing on one foot
and call nine one whatever it

636
00:41:34,110 --> 00:41:38,070
is. That point a process is
already underway.

637
00:41:39,210 --> 00:41:42,600
Yes, so let's get into the fight
under strike. That clip does

638
00:41:42,600 --> 00:41:43,500
distract it for

639
00:41:43,680 --> 00:41:46,710
prosecutors say Geiger overlooks
multiple warning signs,

640
00:41:46,860 --> 00:41:50,280
including John's bright red
doormat that she was walking

641
00:41:50,280 --> 00:41:53,730
into the wrong apartment. But
defense attorneys told the jury

642
00:41:53,730 --> 00:41:57,720
she was operating on autopilot
and made an innocent mistake.

643
00:41:57,810 --> 00:42:02,160
But she's thinking, oh my god,
there's an intruder in my

644
00:42:02,160 --> 00:42:06,060
apartment. And she's face to
face with them. She's within 10

645
00:42:06,060 --> 00:42:11,760
yards. He starts approaching her
and she reacts like any police

646
00:42:11,760 --> 00:42:18,240
officer would who has a gun with
confronting a burglary suspect.

647
00:42:19,890 --> 00:42:24,630
A Geiger supervisor testified
that when confronting a burglar

648
00:42:24,630 --> 00:42:28,350
like this Dallas police officers
are trained to do a tactical

649
00:42:28,380 --> 00:42:32,400
retreat, and then to call for
backup but attorneys on both

650
00:42:32,400 --> 00:42:35,400
scientists agreed over whether
that still applies when officers

651
00:42:35,400 --> 00:42:37,110
are off the clock. Doug.

652
00:42:37,320 --> 00:42:39,870
Great. Let's talk about a couple
of things for you go prosecutors

653
00:42:39,870 --> 00:42:41,820
also brought up a phone
conversation Geiger and her

654
00:42:41,820 --> 00:42:44,550
partner had they said about
three minutes or so before the

655
00:42:44,550 --> 00:42:47,820
shooting happened. Any idea what
role prosecutors think this may

656
00:42:47,820 --> 00:42:48,900
have played in all of this?

657
00:42:51,090 --> 00:42:54,690
Dead prosecutors say that phone
conversation lasted about 16

658
00:42:54,690 --> 00:42:58,410
minutes far longer than their
usual phone calls. And they even

659
00:42:58,410 --> 00:43:01,950
said that Amber Geiger pulled
her car over. While it was

660
00:43:01,950 --> 00:43:04,860
taking place. Prosecutors
suggested that something may

661
00:43:04,860 --> 00:43:08,130
have happened on that call that
affected her mindset just

662
00:43:08,130 --> 00:43:11,700
minutes before the shooting for
President testified though that

663
00:43:11,700 --> 00:43:13,980
he didn't recall anything
unusual.

664
00:43:14,550 --> 00:43:21,360
Oh man. It just gets better.
There's just totally phone six

665
00:43:23,430 --> 00:43:26,160
something happened I know what
happened

666
00:43:26,910 --> 00:43:30,750
616 minute phone conversation
you pull over to the side of the

667
00:43:30,750 --> 00:43:33,900
row and then the gauntlet. Oh,
no, no, but no 16 minute phone

668
00:43:33,900 --> 00:43:34,620
conversation.

669
00:43:35,700 --> 00:43:37,890
Come on, brother. Yeah.

670
00:43:38,280 --> 00:43:40,440
He were to regret called.

671
00:43:40,650 --> 00:43:43,800
And what's sad about it is
whatever's going on between

672
00:43:43,800 --> 00:43:47,670
them. She pulls over to be safe
during this massive distraction

673
00:43:47,670 --> 00:43:51,090
that's taking place. So she
actually had whatever was going

674
00:43:51,090 --> 00:43:55,020
on. I have my thoughts was
enough for her to pull over in

675
00:43:55,020 --> 00:43:59,160
that case. Oh, man. What uh,
this is just a tragedy. It is

676
00:43:59,190 --> 00:44:00,330
all over. Yeah.

677
00:44:00,960 --> 00:44:05,910
So we're going back to the ABC
movie trailer, aka the ABC news

678
00:44:05,910 --> 00:44:10,170
clip. backgrounder race car
through John's family

679
00:44:10,170 --> 00:44:11,550
left in anguish

680
00:44:11,610 --> 00:44:15,660
took my life. My very own life.

681
00:44:15,960 --> 00:44:18,690
While the community grapples
with unanswered questions,

682
00:44:18,720 --> 00:44:22,440
we're still dealing in America
with black people being killed,

683
00:44:22,740 --> 00:44:29,190
and some of the most arbitrary
ways driving while black walking

684
00:44:29,190 --> 00:44:33,180
while black. And now we have the
ad living while black.

685
00:44:35,520 --> 00:44:39,030
Sparking protest over what some
say is a lack of transparency

686
00:44:39,030 --> 00:44:41,520
coming from the Dallas Police
Department in the wake of the

687
00:44:41,520 --> 00:44:41,940
shooting.

688
00:44:43,590 --> 00:44:44,730
Wow, I don't think

689
00:44:44,730 --> 00:44:47,100
it was him. But it almost
sounded like Reverend now there

690
00:44:47,100 --> 00:44:49,290
for a moment. It certainly was
the kind of thing Reverend Al

691
00:44:49,290 --> 00:44:49,950
would say.

692
00:44:50,460 --> 00:44:56,430
That was the new Reverend Al.
Benjamin Crump. Oh, okay. Yeah,

693
00:44:56,460 --> 00:45:03,000
Benjamin Crump from the Trayvon
Martin case. Brown Tamir Rice

694
00:45:03,000 --> 00:45:03,570
case so

695
00:45:03,570 --> 00:45:07,530
that was that's disgusting what
he did there? Yeah, he

696
00:45:07,560 --> 00:45:10,290
would know it's his business
now.

697
00:45:11,460 --> 00:45:17,880
I know I thought oh my goodness.

698
00:45:17,910 --> 00:45:23,100
Well, you want to get where you
want to get the money? You gotta

699
00:45:23,100 --> 00:45:26,640
come in you got to put the
leverage. Yeah. With them. You

700
00:45:26,640 --> 00:45:28,890
get the protesters in the
street. You heard him in the

701
00:45:28,890 --> 00:45:32,430
background. Yeah. You get the
weeping weepy mother on the

702
00:45:32,430 --> 00:45:37,470
news, brother. And uh, you come
in with the cat walk while

703
00:45:37,470 --> 00:45:41,520
black. We can't wait with the
drywall black now you can't eat

704
00:45:41,550 --> 00:45:44,220
ice cream, Rob. No, no, no, no,
no. I mean that living while

705
00:45:44,880 --> 00:45:47,520
living love life. That was
genius. That's a new one.

706
00:45:47,550 --> 00:45:51,090
Right? So you can't even live? I
mean, behind a locked door. I

707
00:45:51,090 --> 00:45:55,950
mean, yeah. Which is? It's true
in a way, but this has. I don't

708
00:45:55,950 --> 00:46:00,210
think this case, to this point.
Let me be clear, to this point.

709
00:46:00,480 --> 00:46:05,190
had very little to do with race
up until where we're at in the

710
00:46:05,190 --> 00:46:09,720
story. Let me let me practice
that. Because it's gonna it's

711
00:46:09,720 --> 00:46:09,990
gonna

712
00:46:10,080 --> 00:46:13,290
Oh, okay. Well, yeah. Let's
review. Let's review for a

713
00:46:13,290 --> 00:46:18,510
second because right now, it's a
distraction. A whole bunch of

714
00:46:18,510 --> 00:46:23,670
stuff happens. And this man
winds up getting killed. Yes,

715
00:46:23,730 --> 00:46:27,090
but we have not heard at any
point. We've there's been no

716
00:46:27,090 --> 00:46:31,200
evidence that it's a racial
issue. Except until I just heard

717
00:46:31,200 --> 00:46:31,710
this guy.

718
00:46:33,180 --> 00:46:37,710
Yes. Which which you when you
want to get the money. And

719
00:46:37,710 --> 00:46:42,120
that's his job. When Ben Crump
comes in. He's there to get the

720
00:46:42,120 --> 00:46:45,420
money because he's not even with
the prosecution. Now he's with

721
00:46:45,420 --> 00:46:48,600
the fat. He's the lawyer. He's
the lawyer of the family on a

722
00:46:48,600 --> 00:46:50,370
civil try on a civil.

723
00:46:51,060 --> 00:46:55,140
Thank you. I was gonna ask. So
Sharpton has his he has his

724
00:46:55,140 --> 00:46:58,890
foundation and which sharpens
business model is is kind of old

725
00:46:58,890 --> 00:47:02,550
ish. And which Sharpton of
course is a reverend. He's not a

726
00:47:02,550 --> 00:47:05,820
lawyer. So what he does is he
goes and protests outside the

727
00:47:05,820 --> 00:47:09,300
company until they pay him to go
away. In this case, this guy's

728
00:47:09,300 --> 00:47:14,130
an attorney, and he's playing it
up, but it's a civil suit. So

729
00:47:14,130 --> 00:47:17,880
he's looking at a multimillion
dollar payday for the family,

730
00:47:17,880 --> 00:47:21,870
but really for him, based upon
it, which is just like the OJ

731
00:47:21,870 --> 00:47:26,820
case was acquitted on from the
Federal federal court and was

732
00:47:26,910 --> 00:47:31,590
convicted in civil court. Yes.
And that's going forward

733
00:47:31,650 --> 00:47:36,180
and how this apparatus works. I
believe. Crump gets on the phone

734
00:47:36,180 --> 00:47:41,040
when his law matters. People get
into the streets, which that

735
00:47:41,040 --> 00:47:44,550
used to be our shopping shop
right before pre internet.

736
00:47:45,150 --> 00:47:48,720
Because you had to have that you
had to have the ground game you

737
00:47:48,720 --> 00:47:54,480
got to replace everybody on the
ground. Right. So now it's just

738
00:47:54,960 --> 00:47:57,840
and it's kind of like auto
reaction whenever we are made

739
00:47:57,840 --> 00:48:02,280
because the internet is going to
go into into what it does. Once

740
00:48:02,280 --> 00:48:04,920
it start trending, but you have
to get it trending. You have to

741
00:48:04,920 --> 00:48:08,310
get notable people are a Shaun
king who we've heard on this

742
00:48:08,310 --> 00:48:12,270
show before. These people are
tweeting about it, it picks up

743
00:48:12,270 --> 00:48:16,200
steam. Then crop swoops in and
he gives the news clip

744
00:48:17,670 --> 00:48:20,430
remind me What city did this
happen in? Where did this take

745
00:48:20,430 --> 00:48:20,970
place? Again,

746
00:48:21,000 --> 00:48:23,490
this happened in Dallas just
happened Dallas, right Dallas.

747
00:48:23,490 --> 00:48:27,120
Okay. All right. Good. Yes. So
that's that's how this whole

748
00:48:27,120 --> 00:48:31,530
thing works now in the race car
has been played. So now we're

749
00:48:31,530 --> 00:48:33,810
gonna get into police privilege.

750
00:48:33,900 --> 00:48:37,170
The thing that stood out to very
most to me was the fact that

751
00:48:37,170 --> 00:48:40,230
when I listened to that call,
not one time, did I hear Mr.

752
00:48:40,230 --> 00:48:42,360
Geiger say that she was in fear
of her life.

753
00:48:42,780 --> 00:48:45,810
The Dallas Police Department was
quick to respond, turning the

754
00:48:45,810 --> 00:48:48,120
case over to the state
investigators, the Texas

755
00:48:48,120 --> 00:48:48,690
Rangers.

756
00:48:49,170 --> 00:48:52,260
In order for us to be truly
transparent to this community

757
00:48:52,290 --> 00:48:56,040
based on the circumstances, we
have invited the Texas Rangers

758
00:48:56,070 --> 00:48:58,950
to conduct this, this
investigation, but

759
00:48:58,950 --> 00:49:01,980
it would be a few days before
Geiger was identified and

760
00:49:01,980 --> 00:49:03,270
arrested for manslaughter.

761
00:49:03,900 --> 00:49:09,480
The family had many questions
for the authorities. The main

762
00:49:09,480 --> 00:49:15,870
one being that this police
officer should not be given any

763
00:49:15,870 --> 00:49:17,460
preferential treatment.

764
00:49:19,980 --> 00:49:24,930
Oh, yeah. Okay. That's right.
Because she's a cop, no

765
00:49:24,930 --> 00:49:25,980
preferential treatment,

766
00:49:26,340 --> 00:49:32,280
right? Like cops are not gonna
look out for cops in and that's

767
00:49:32,280 --> 00:49:36,240
what the thing was, is that they
didn't release her name and they

768
00:49:36,240 --> 00:49:40,830
didn't arrest her for days.
She's killed a man. I mean,

769
00:49:40,830 --> 00:49:44,400
that's clear. Now her motive
behind it or reason behind it,

770
00:49:44,400 --> 00:49:48,960
but somebody's dead at the end
of her gun. But the police

771
00:49:48,960 --> 00:49:52,500
department has kind of put the
built that what they call the

772
00:49:52,500 --> 00:49:53,220
blue wall.

773
00:49:53,580 --> 00:49:58,140
Yeah. And that's for real and
and there's understand I have

774
00:49:58,140 --> 00:50:03,030
understanding for some of that.
Which whenever this happens line

775
00:50:03,030 --> 00:50:08,430
of duty or not. And the thing is
thin blue line. Oh, it was It

776
00:50:08,430 --> 00:50:12,870
wasn't like a TV show about
them. Yeah. So yeah, I mean I

777
00:50:12,900 --> 00:50:16,380
I'm not what I haven't heard yet
is if any, if anyone spoke to

778
00:50:16,380 --> 00:50:23,940
her if he knows if there was any
judicial contact with her the

779
00:50:23,940 --> 00:50:27,300
way it sounds is, hey, you know,
she just kind of disappeared

780
00:50:27,300 --> 00:50:30,330
into the woodwork while while
everything was shaken out and

781
00:50:30,510 --> 00:50:33,570
she was free to come and go she
wanted despite the fact she

782
00:50:33,630 --> 00:50:35,430
obviously killed someone in cold
blood.

783
00:50:36,360 --> 00:50:39,540
Right. She was allowed to do
that for a few days before she

784
00:50:39,540 --> 00:50:44,730
was charged and arrested. She
was so that goes to show the

785
00:50:44,730 --> 00:50:49,320
police privilege, which it like
you said it does exist but exist

786
00:50:49,350 --> 00:50:54,360
in every I guess union, or many
unions are gonna look out for

787
00:50:54,360 --> 00:50:57,030
themselves. Industries go look
out for themselves

788
00:50:57,630 --> 00:51:01,350
and the police union is strong
and very strong.

789
00:51:02,160 --> 00:51:08,340
Okay, so now, we're still on the
ABC backgrounder. racecard nine.

790
00:51:09,420 --> 00:51:13,410
As details of that night
emerged, protests grew louder,

791
00:51:13,590 --> 00:51:15,450
many demanding justice for John.

792
00:51:17,250 --> 00:51:21,090
This is a case that raises a lot
of sensitive questions, and

793
00:51:21,090 --> 00:51:24,210
there's going to be enormous
public interest. And

794
00:51:24,240 --> 00:51:28,050
consequently, there's more of a
desire to get that evidence out

795
00:51:28,050 --> 00:51:28,710
faster.

796
00:51:28,920 --> 00:51:31,590
More than two months after the
arrest of the initial charge of

797
00:51:31,590 --> 00:51:34,770
manslaughter. A grand jury
indicted Geiger who had since

798
00:51:34,770 --> 00:51:36,450
been fired on a murder charge.

799
00:51:37,230 --> 00:51:40,770
It's possible the grand jury
just decided on its own, more

800
00:51:40,770 --> 00:51:45,930
likely that the prosecutors
played a role in moving this

801
00:51:45,930 --> 00:51:47,220
from manslaughter to murder.

802
00:51:48,540 --> 00:51:55,290
Hmm. Okay. Okay, so now we were
picking up steam here,

803
00:51:55,320 --> 00:51:59,371
Wait a minute, wait a minute
Moe. so.  Does at some point

804
00:51:59,443 --> 00:52:03,423
during the story, do we get
like, Soros pops up, please,

805
00:52:03,495 --> 00:52:05,130
please? Please tell me?

806
00:52:05,580 --> 00:52:13,500
No, no. So I can't confirm nor
deny sorrows had me doing. But

807
00:52:13,500 --> 00:52:14,970
this is in this case, this is
the new

808
00:52:14,970 --> 00:52:19,560
sorrows sound effects. Never
sort of shows up.

809
00:52:20,430 --> 00:52:24,630
Okay. Yeah, Searles didn't show
up in this one. But what I would

810
00:52:24,630 --> 00:52:34,140
like to do is now the way police
are viewed in this country by

811
00:52:34,350 --> 00:52:40,380
either economic status, or
racial divisions, is totally

812
00:52:40,380 --> 00:52:44,970
different, depending on which
side of the West are you looking

813
00:52:44,970 --> 00:52:48,420
at him from? So what I wanted to
do is take because this is where

814
00:52:48,420 --> 00:52:52,350
this is the crux of the problem.
I think,

815
00:52:52,380 --> 00:52:56,340
well, we're coming right down to
what everything in the past

816
00:52:56,910 --> 00:53:00,960
while in a long time actually in
the United States has been is a

817
00:53:00,960 --> 00:53:04,260
cops you know, and then and
since Kaepernick it's on on a on

818
00:53:04,260 --> 00:53:11,130
a human, a global stage with
police brutality towards black

819
00:53:11,130 --> 00:53:15,960
people, that is yes, no, that is
the narrative and it's shit,

820
00:53:15,960 --> 00:53:18,180
man, it's I think it's generally
accepted by

821
00:53:18,210 --> 00:53:23,100
most. So what I want to do is
get into a little history. We

822
00:53:23,100 --> 00:53:26,490
all gotta get a little history
on the Moe Factz and Adam Curry

823
00:53:26,490 --> 00:53:31,470
show, because that gives
context. So let's get into

824
00:53:31,470 --> 00:53:33,330
history of policing in America
one

825
00:53:33,660 --> 00:53:37,020
police here to serve and protect
recently facing scrutiny

826
00:53:37,020 --> 00:53:39,960
nationwide, regardless and
American institution, but they

827
00:53:39,960 --> 00:53:42,030
didn't just show up out of
nowhere. Hey, guys, I'm Melissa

828
00:53:42,030 --> 00:53:44,970
Salvatore for at 12. Today we're
taking a look at how police came

829
00:53:44,970 --> 00:53:48,090
to be in America, the colonies
and eventually America itself

830
00:53:48,090 --> 00:53:50,880
relied on very loosely organized
volunteer groups to handle

831
00:53:50,880 --> 00:53:52,890
things like finding lost kids
and catching criminals.

832
00:53:52,920 --> 00:53:55,830
Basically glorified Neighborhood
Watch is about as effective as

833
00:53:55,830 --> 00:53:59,640
Vince Vaughn's this lesson until
the mid 1800s. Inspired by the

834
00:53:59,640 --> 00:54:01,920
founding of the London
Metropolitan Police Department,

835
00:54:02,010 --> 00:54:04,770
many American cities officially
established their own, like the

836
00:54:04,770 --> 00:54:09,630
NYPD established in 1845, with
less than 200 staff within 25

837
00:54:09,660 --> 00:54:12,960
years, New York, Boston,
Philadelphia, Chicago and La

838
00:54:12,960 --> 00:54:15,630
would all have unified former
police departments. These

839
00:54:15,630 --> 00:54:18,600
quickly became cesspools for
corruption since politicians

840
00:54:18,600 --> 00:54:20,670
would do all the hiring. If you
didn't want to work with the

841
00:54:20,670 --> 00:54:24,630
guys in office, you're out. La
went through 13 police chiefs in

842
00:54:24,630 --> 00:54:29,460
10 years before 1889 reform came
between 19 119 30 Thanks to a

843
00:54:29,460 --> 00:54:32,460
number of progressive
investigations. Now police were

844
00:54:32,460 --> 00:54:35,280
recruited and hired on merit,
not on political connection.

845
00:54:36,810 --> 00:54:42,810
Okay, that's a very, very high
energy. very abbreviated version

846
00:54:42,810 --> 00:54:45,720
of the history of the police in
the United States. Where does it

847
00:54:45,720 --> 00:54:47,250
come from? Where's that from
that?

848
00:54:47,760 --> 00:54:55,440
That came from our ad 12 YouTube
channel. So it's very, very,

849
00:54:55,440 --> 00:54:59,550
very abbreviated. But what I
wanted to show is police in

850
00:54:59,550 --> 00:55:05,880
itself He has an origin out of
corruption. Let's be clear. From

851
00:55:05,910 --> 00:55:09,810
this from the history of it, but
she's clipped to have this

852
00:55:09,810 --> 00:55:12,420
piece. We'll clear that up a
little bit.

853
00:55:12,600 --> 00:55:15,180
police reform never stopped. It
just took more of a

854
00:55:15,180 --> 00:55:18,540
philosophical turn. Like in the
60s when police race relations

855
00:55:18,540 --> 00:55:21,510
came to the American forefront.
And today when many of those

856
00:55:21,510 --> 00:55:24,120
same issues are back in the
national conversation, no

857
00:55:24,120 --> 00:55:26,760
surprise considering how much
policing has grown. Remember

858
00:55:26,760 --> 00:55:31,920
that 200 Man original NYPD today
it's about 35,000 part of the

859
00:55:31,920 --> 00:55:35,040
most recent national data
available counting more than 1.1

860
00:55:35,070 --> 00:55:38,490
million state and local police
employed in America. Now, you

861
00:55:38,490 --> 00:55:39,570
know, from AB 12.

862
00:55:41,160 --> 00:55:46,476
You know, I need to disclose
some bias I have in this Moe.

863
00:55:46,568 --> 00:55:52,251
Yes, please. During the 80s and
90s, working at MTV and in New

864
00:55:52,343 --> 00:55:57,843
York every year, Joan Jett and I
would visit the orphans and

865
00:55:57,935 --> 00:56:02,610
widows of the NYPD for
Christmas. And so these were

866
00:56:02,701 --> 00:56:08,385
orphans and widows of officers
who are widows and widowers who

867
00:56:08,476 --> 00:56:14,251
were killed in the line of duty.
So I do know some of this from

868
00:56:14,343 --> 00:56:19,751
both sides. I know a lot of
people in firefighters EMTs and

869
00:56:19,843 --> 00:56:25,710
I am amazed personally at how
they don't become incredibly jaded

870
00:56:27,480 --> 00:56:28,710
in in my

871
00:56:29,190 --> 00:56:32,640
case, they have a shit and they
have a shit job and and they're

872
00:56:32,640 --> 00:56:38,460
getting well and this was I
guess it's all a as long as I've

873
00:56:38,460 --> 00:56:41,220
really been aware of this it's
there's always been pushed back

874
00:56:41,220 --> 00:56:45,810
and you know oh my god are you
just shooting black people? But

875
00:56:45,810 --> 00:56:49,920
also I hear how cops talk about
people you know when that when

876
00:56:49,920 --> 00:56:53,940
they're not on camera? And it's
it's a challenging mental

877
00:56:53,940 --> 00:57:00,240
occupation for sure. It's almost
like being in the military you

878
00:57:00,240 --> 00:57:05,130
know, it's like when I was in
Iraq and when you hear Marines

879
00:57:05,160 --> 00:57:09,210
talking about I them damn rag
heads tall heads is shocking,

880
00:57:09,210 --> 00:57:13,470
right? But go sit there for I
was there for 10 days. And I was

881
00:57:13,470 --> 00:57:18,450
like, Holy crap, this is hell.
So it's very hard to place

882
00:57:18,450 --> 00:57:22,470
yourself in someone else's shoes
in general, anytime, anywhere. I

883
00:57:22,470 --> 00:57:25,260
just I need to just say I'm
gonna have some bias because I

884
00:57:25,260 --> 00:57:28,680
got I understand a little bit
from what I've experienced from

885
00:57:28,680 --> 00:57:29,370
the other side.

886
00:57:30,300 --> 00:57:37,110
Okay, so here's the weird
problem with policing and black

887
00:57:37,110 --> 00:57:37,650
America.

888
00:57:40,230 --> 00:57:45,390
If something goes wrong, how do
we call the police? Yeah. So

889
00:57:45,390 --> 00:57:49,710
that's understood. The problem
is okay, so say for instance,

890
00:57:49,710 --> 00:57:53,580
just for sake of argument if I'm
a racist white person, right

891
00:57:54,660 --> 00:57:58,770
what job can I get what I can
where I can harass people that I

892
00:57:58,770 --> 00:58:02,820
don't like illegally.

893
00:58:04,500 --> 00:58:13,140
Pool guard like Joe Biden.
Right. Crusher popcorn Okay.

894
00:58:13,170 --> 00:58:18,630
Corn pop. Yeah. Williams Yeah,
exactly.

895
00:58:18,870 --> 00:58:22,470
As Esther that's it. Esther.
Esther. You so what I'm saying

896
00:58:22,470 --> 00:58:28,440
is you have these people these
bad actors embed themselves into

897
00:58:28,440 --> 00:58:33,570
the police department because
they know this gives me access

898
00:58:33,570 --> 00:58:38,280
to go into these communities and
be a bad actor and I can hide

899
00:58:38,280 --> 00:58:43,440
under the protection of the blue
Yeah, and

900
00:58:43,440 --> 00:58:48,180
that I think is is pretty
farcical I can see how someone

901
00:58:48,270 --> 00:58:53,880
on the on the force gets very
jaded and mentally twisted just

902
00:58:53,880 --> 00:58:54,930
because of the job.

903
00:58:55,980 --> 00:58:59,430
But know what I'm saying is
coming into into I understand

904
00:58:59,430 --> 00:59:02,370
so I yeah, I've got a doubt that
that's

905
00:59:03,390 --> 00:59:04,320
mean to

906
00:59:05,700 --> 00:59:08,850
I don't know it's I certainly
understand the thinking that and

907
00:59:08,850 --> 00:59:11,340
we're set up to think that way
no doubt that

908
00:59:11,370 --> 00:59:16,320
this is where we get into the
the two perspectives. Now do I

909
00:59:16,320 --> 00:59:23,130
think all cops are bad? No. Do I
think all dogs are bad? No. But

910
00:59:23,130 --> 00:59:26,730
I don't like dogs. Because of
the fact I can get bitten by

911
00:59:26,730 --> 00:59:30,390
one. I'm just being honest with
you. So whenever I see a dog,

912
00:59:30,600 --> 00:59:32,880
people say oh, that's my dog. He
won't bite you know, he won't

913
00:59:32,880 --> 00:59:33,630
bite you.

914
00:59:36,030 --> 00:59:41,100
Dogs Careful now,

915
00:59:41,490 --> 00:59:45,330
you You understand what I'm
saying? Is by course I do. It's

916
00:59:45,330 --> 00:59:52,230
a nap. It's a it's a natural
fear. And the reason why we're

917
00:59:52,230 --> 00:59:55,920
having this conversation is
because I'm gonna go and dig out

918
00:59:55,950 --> 01:00:01,500
where that fear comes from Nice.
Now we once we get there, it's

919
01:00:01,500 --> 01:00:03,990
like being in a black hole, we
got to get the pit out, you

920
01:00:03,990 --> 01:00:06,810
know, we got to get it out. And
then we can understand each

921
01:00:06,810 --> 01:00:11,160
other's perspective. Next, like
I say, somebody breaks into my

922
01:00:11,160 --> 01:00:13,710
house right now I'm going to
pick up the phone call 911.

923
01:00:15,120 --> 01:00:18,570
That's the natural reaction,
because my tax payer dollars pay

924
01:00:18,570 --> 01:00:22,050
for them to provide the service
to me that they provide. And I

925
01:00:22,050 --> 01:00:24,150
won't be thinking, Oh, I don't
want to call 911 Because they're

926
01:00:24,150 --> 01:00:29,040
going to shoot me. You know, I
mean, that's not, but. And I

927
01:00:29,040 --> 01:00:30,840
want to be less detailed. Well,
hold on.

928
01:00:31,260 --> 01:00:36,570
Let me ask you the question.
Okay. So now up. So your house

929
01:00:36,570 --> 01:00:40,650
is broken into by a black gun,
you want to you want to call

930
01:00:40,650 --> 01:00:45,900
your your protective force that
you're paying for any point, do

931
01:00:45,900 --> 01:00:49,560
you think Holy shit, they might
go after the wrong blackout?

932
01:00:52,350 --> 01:00:56,910
In the moment, I won't be
thinking about that. Okay. So

933
01:00:56,910 --> 01:01:00,690
like I said, it's the it's the
it's a weighing of threat. The

934
01:01:00,690 --> 01:01:04,890
guy breaking into my house is a
way further higher threat than

935
01:01:04,890 --> 01:01:10,080
the than the police
subconscious. And I want to call

936
01:01:10,080 --> 01:01:14,880
it fear awareness of what could
go wrong, right. But what you

937
01:01:14,880 --> 01:01:18,480
have is, as we always talked
about with the media doing what

938
01:01:18,480 --> 01:01:21,000
they've done, what we
illustrated in all the clips

939
01:01:21,000 --> 01:01:26,430
previous stoking the fire, when
you have the talk gone wrong,

940
01:01:26,880 --> 01:01:31,440
have you know, that's why I'm
saying this while we do this?

941
01:01:32,010 --> 01:01:35,130
Because it's not you have a
totally different perspective

942
01:01:35,130 --> 01:01:38,790
for police. Because you didn't
have the talk go wrong with you

943
01:01:38,820 --> 01:01:41,790
know, you didn't have a mother,
like we had, I think showed two

944
01:01:41,790 --> 01:01:44,010
or three saying you could die at
any moment?

945
01:01:44,070 --> 01:01:48,690
No, of course not. In fact, my
mom of the talk we had, and I'm

946
01:01:48,690 --> 01:01:53,040
older than you. So it may have
changed with half a generation

947
01:01:53,040 --> 01:01:56,640
of the talk. I had my mom said,
if you ever have a problem, if

948
01:01:56,640 --> 01:02:00,120
you're lost, or you don't feel
safe, look for a police officer

949
01:02:00,120 --> 01:02:03,750
and go up to them. That is the
talk I received as a white man

950
01:02:03,750 --> 01:02:04,320
in America.

951
01:02:06,090 --> 01:02:10,260
Well, it's the complete opposite
for most cases, because no shit

952
01:02:10,260 --> 01:02:12,540
most black people will say go
the other way. If you see

953
01:02:12,540 --> 01:02:12,840
polling.

954
01:02:14,430 --> 01:02:15,870
That's so sad.

955
01:02:17,370 --> 01:02:20,490
And it's not it's not that it's
okay. When you do the averages.

956
01:02:20,490 --> 01:02:23,700
It's like, okay, what is the
percent chance that this could

957
01:02:23,700 --> 01:02:26,130
go wrong? Maybe 5% 3%.

958
01:02:27,840 --> 01:02:31,350
I listened to the mentee. If I
listened to the media. No, you

959
01:02:31,350 --> 01:02:34,170
said you just said 5%. I've been
thinking No, much higher than

960
01:02:34,170 --> 01:02:35,490
that. That's my perception.

961
01:02:36,150 --> 01:02:39,990
Right? Because I'm able to put
things in perspective. Now. I'm

962
01:02:39,990 --> 01:02:42,390
not one of those people. Like,
oh, dude never happened. You

963
01:02:42,390 --> 01:02:46,380
know, I mean, I'm not that guy,
either. Because I know I live in

964
01:02:46,380 --> 01:02:50,160
reality, right? And these things
can happen. I'm just to make

965
01:02:50,190 --> 01:02:53,010
sure we don't draw this out too
much. But and we're gonna get

966
01:02:53,010 --> 01:02:58,050
into the next clip, but blue
lights in our rearview mirror,

967
01:02:58,350 --> 01:03:03,150
trigger something to us. Yeah,
that's a good I'm talking about

968
01:03:03,150 --> 01:03:07,860
a good physical reaction. I
mean, you're a leader. And and

969
01:03:07,860 --> 01:03:11,070
like I said, I live in a
reality. I don't live in a hyper

970
01:03:11,070 --> 01:03:17,100
fear mode. But I had to be aware
of this. I'm like, I don't mean,

971
01:03:17,370 --> 01:03:20,640
my life is a straight, you know,
my car, you know, I'm not

972
01:03:20,670 --> 01:03:23,970
breaking any laws, but just a
natural gut reaction. So what

973
01:03:23,970 --> 01:03:26,580
are we going to find out where
that comes from? And this is

974
01:03:26,580 --> 01:03:31,440
from the stimulator YouTube
channel. It's, it's super woke,

975
01:03:31,500 --> 01:03:39,510
super woke, alert. upset, but
slave patrols the birth of

976
01:03:39,510 --> 01:03:40,410
modern police

977
01:03:40,530 --> 01:03:43,680
to understand slave patrols.
It's important to understand

978
01:03:43,680 --> 01:03:48,420
that the slow development of the
state intervention in

979
01:03:48,420 --> 01:03:52,950
maintaining slave society,
beginning with simply passing

980
01:03:52,950 --> 01:03:57,150
laws that would restrict the
activities of slaves, and then

981
01:03:57,390 --> 01:04:00,900
laws on their own being
insufficient authorizing any

982
01:04:01,110 --> 01:04:04,920
adult white man to enforce those
laws. But then the reliance on

983
01:04:04,920 --> 01:04:08,340
individual action proving
insufficient forming into this

984
01:04:08,370 --> 01:04:12,300
body called slave patrols that
were offered to the militia and

985
01:04:12,300 --> 01:04:16,410
worked as kind of a voluntary
compulsory organizations meaning

986
01:04:16,410 --> 01:04:19,860
the participation was mandatory,
but it wasn't a professional

987
01:04:20,190 --> 01:04:24,420
outfit that provided a way of
making the entire white male

988
01:04:24,420 --> 01:04:28,920
population directly involved in
maintaining slave society. As

989
01:04:28,980 --> 01:04:32,310
industrialization came to the
south. And there were larger

990
01:04:32,310 --> 01:04:35,790
slave populations and southern
cities, the slave patrols moved

991
01:04:36,060 --> 01:04:38,610
similarly into the city. And
there they became

992
01:04:38,610 --> 01:04:41,940
professionalized, and very
quickly their duties expanded

993
01:04:41,940 --> 01:04:45,090
and they became a body that we
would immediately recognize as

994
01:04:45,090 --> 01:04:46,110
modern police force.

995
01:04:46,650 --> 01:04:49,440
And when was this the slave
patrols the Jim Crow era set the

996
01:04:49,440 --> 01:04:50,130
idea or

997
01:04:51,000 --> 01:04:55,020
this was this was pre Civil War.
Oh, God, this was pre This is

998
01:04:55,020 --> 01:05:00,690
pre Civil War when slavery still
existed. So So that was just

999
01:05:00,690 --> 01:05:05,580
some background of there is a
school of thought. And Colin

1000
01:05:05,580 --> 01:05:11,430
Kaepernick and even Jamel Hill
she got into trouble behind this

1001
01:05:11,430 --> 01:05:19,650
from ESPN fame all right then
they are yeah that police are

1002
01:05:19,680 --> 01:05:23,700
were work came from slave
patrols. Now that's a that's a

1003
01:05:23,700 --> 01:05:31,440
far stretch. But when you look
at the formation of the kk k

1004
01:05:31,470 --> 01:05:38,970
post Civil War I mean post Civil
War and then the infiltration of

1005
01:05:38,970 --> 01:05:41,730
southern plumps and we speak
about Southern here. So the

1006
01:05:41,730 --> 01:05:45,600
police departments of the kk k,
when you look at Bull Connor,

1007
01:05:45,630 --> 01:05:49,140
when you watch civil rights
films and you see police dogs

1008
01:05:49,560 --> 01:05:52,050
being sick now all this is
psychological.

1009
01:05:52,110 --> 01:05:54,300
Oh, how about how about black
Klansmen?

1010
01:05:55,380 --> 01:06:01,080
Right? Correct. So when you see
fire hoses being sprayed on

1011
01:06:01,080 --> 01:06:05,250
people, when you see billy clubs
being used on people, and then

1012
01:06:05,790 --> 01:06:08,670
you know, you factor that into
this narrative, you can't you

1013
01:06:08,670 --> 01:06:10,290
can see why that's not a far
leap.

1014
01:06:10,500 --> 01:06:17,190
Oh, absolutely. And when we have
many people, leaders in many

1015
01:06:17,190 --> 01:06:20,430
communities who witnessed that
themselves, Elijah Cummings

1016
01:06:20,430 --> 01:06:24,840
comes to mind. You know, where
this there's actual footage of

1017
01:06:24,840 --> 01:06:29,400
stuff that happened as far as I
know. And I can't discredit

1018
01:06:29,400 --> 01:06:33,240
anything he he was a part of or
wasn't a part of just him

1019
01:06:33,540 --> 01:06:36,420
constantly reminding people
Yeah, I mean, I'm, I'm aware of

1020
01:06:36,420 --> 01:06:37,080
that. Sure.

1021
01:06:37,740 --> 01:06:40,650
Every time they speak, they
always speak about the billy

1022
01:06:40,650 --> 01:06:43,290
club going across their head and
you know, their brains almost

1023
01:06:43,290 --> 01:06:45,510
get knocked loose. So that mean
they keep they keep this

1024
01:06:46,110 --> 01:06:52,350
perpetuation alive. Now, we've
got one more clip on slide

1025
01:06:52,350 --> 01:06:54,360
patrol alive and well in
America.

1026
01:06:54,720 --> 01:06:57,810
Slave patrol regulations for
Rowan County, North Carolina

1027
01:06:57,840 --> 01:07:01,860
1825. First, patrol shall be
appointed at least four in each

1028
01:07:01,860 --> 01:07:05,610
captain's district. Second, it
shall be their duty for to have

1029
01:07:05,610 --> 01:07:08,670
their number at least to patrol
their respective districts once

1030
01:07:08,670 --> 01:07:11,700
in every week in failure
thereof, they shall be subjected

1031
01:07:11,700 --> 01:07:15,120
to the penalties prescribed by
law. Third, they shall have

1032
01:07:15,120 --> 01:07:18,300
power to inflict corporal
punishment if to be present

1033
01:07:18,300 --> 01:07:22,380
degree in their 2/4. One
patroller shall have power to

1034
01:07:22,380 --> 01:07:25,350
seize any Negro slave who
behaves insolently to a

1035
01:07:25,350 --> 01:07:29,040
patroller or otherwise
unlawfully or suspiciously and

1036
01:07:29,040 --> 01:07:32,580
holds such slave in custody
until he can bring together a

1037
01:07:32,580 --> 01:07:36,660
requisite number of patrollers
to act in the business. Fifth,

1038
01:07:36,960 --> 01:07:39,840
previous to entering on their
duties patrols shall call on

1039
01:07:39,840 --> 01:07:44,460
some acting magistrate and take
the following oath to wit, I A

1040
01:07:44,460 --> 01:07:48,810
be appointed to appointed one of
the patrollers by the county

1041
01:07:49,230 --> 01:07:53,550
court of Rowan for company B's
company, do hereby swear That I

1042
01:07:53,550 --> 01:07:55,920
will faithfully execute the
duties of a patroller to the

1043
01:07:55,920 --> 01:07:58,890
best of my ability, according to
law and the regulations of the

1044
01:07:58,890 --> 01:08:02,370
county court. The National
Humanities Center has many other

1045
01:08:02,370 --> 01:08:06,300
similar reports of its archives.
slave patrols were a regular

1046
01:08:06,300 --> 01:08:09,510
feature of the South. Its first
settlement by slave owning

1047
01:08:09,510 --> 01:08:13,200
Europeans until the decades
after Reconstruction, when

1048
01:08:13,200 --> 01:08:16,950
slavery was abolished, but
whites in the south still wanted

1049
01:08:16,950 --> 01:08:21,810
to keep blacks in their place.
The slavery patrols were largely

1050
01:08:21,810 --> 01:08:29,250
replaced by or simply renamed as
the kk k. Small Town sheriff's.

1051
01:08:30,569 --> 01:08:33,929
Yeah, this is from Hartman, I
think.

1052
01:08:34,830 --> 01:08:37,350
Yes, this is from the big
picture Artie Yeah,

1053
01:08:37,380 --> 01:08:39,300
I don't like him. I've never
liked him.

1054
01:08:40,620 --> 01:08:48,270
He's problematic. Yeah, yeah,
he's super woke as well. So what

1055
01:08:48,270 --> 01:08:50,820
is the cops this would be
covering the history of police?

1056
01:08:51,210 --> 01:08:54,900
This for last four clips. What
is the commonality between all

1057
01:08:54,900 --> 01:08:55,830
for these clips?

1058
01:08:58,680 --> 01:09:01,110
Well, they're presuming that all
the cops are white.

1059
01:09:02,640 --> 01:09:04,920
Now all the presenters are
white. Oh, I'm so

1060
01:09:05,790 --> 01:09:14,279
in. Yeah, well, hello. Did that
for a reason? You tricking me againMoe?

1061
01:09:15,210 --> 01:09:18,420
No, I'm not tricking you. What
I'm saying is, yeah, that's

1062
01:09:18,420 --> 01:09:23,730
a good point. If they have no
perspective, or they have a

1063
01:09:23,730 --> 01:09:25,290
perspective, but it's only one

1064
01:09:27,870 --> 01:09:34,890
Yeah. But if I'm thinking hey,
this is as the conspiracy or

1065
01:09:34,920 --> 01:09:38,400
maybe I'll read too much into
this. And I clicked on I start

1066
01:09:38,400 --> 01:09:41,100
watching the videos and it
wasn't hard to find once I

1067
01:09:41,100 --> 01:09:45,720
google one, you know this, you
know, your suggestions like one

1068
01:09:45,720 --> 01:09:48,000
after the other after the other.
You get into that, you know,

1069
01:09:48,480 --> 01:09:55,230
into that rabbit hole. This is
how you come up with the woke

1070
01:09:56,400 --> 01:10:03,270
anti police narrative. Well, I'm
Hmm, only confirms the bias that

1071
01:10:03,270 --> 01:10:04,710
you have. Yes. Well,

1072
01:10:05,130 --> 01:10:07,980
interesting in general, and I
don't know if that's because

1073
01:10:07,980 --> 01:10:13,680
your Moe and Moe Factz of
research. You asked me what was

1074
01:10:13,680 --> 01:10:17,790
the cause? I? I didn't think of
that for a second. That they

1075
01:10:17,790 --> 01:10:19,950
were all white. That would never
have crossed my mind.

1076
01:10:20,940 --> 01:10:23,700
Now the reason why I said that
is it just leads credence to

1077
01:10:23,730 --> 01:10:27,450
Yeah, I understand. I'm leaning
that way. That just wrapped it

1078
01:10:27,450 --> 01:10:30,270
up for me. Oh, yeah. See? Yeah,
even white people, white

1079
01:10:30,270 --> 01:10:32,730
people think so check. Yes. Good
catch.

1080
01:10:34,680 --> 01:10:39,240
So, alright, so going back to
the I just wanted to get us to

1081
01:10:39,240 --> 01:10:42,870
how you have, as we said before,
you have the two sides watching

1082
01:10:42,870 --> 01:10:46,440
this ABC special, seven minute
special, and they're picking

1083
01:10:46,440 --> 01:10:52,320
sides. This is how the two sides
are formulated. You have one

1084
01:10:52,320 --> 01:10:55,620
side that are pro police,
because they look at police,

1085
01:10:55,620 --> 01:10:58,140
like you said is if you're ever
in trouble, that's where you go

1086
01:10:58,140 --> 01:11:03,120
to. And then you have the other
side or just like right, I don't

1087
01:11:03,120 --> 01:11:08,250
know. Right. So this is how the
two sides are. Formulate. So But

1088
01:11:08,250 --> 01:11:11,760
fast forward back to the case.
Thank God, we don't have to

1089
01:11:11,760 --> 01:11:15,930
worry about that. Because the
Sheriff of Dallas, black woman,

1090
01:11:15,930 --> 01:11:20,550
yep. Right, Renee Hall. The
judge and the case was Miss

1091
01:11:20,550 --> 01:11:25,110
Tammy camp. And let's listen to
the makeup of the jury.

1092
01:11:25,920 --> 01:11:27,900
And we did get our chance by the
way to see the makeup of the

1093
01:11:27,900 --> 01:11:30,180
jury as well while our crews
were in the courtroom today. So

1094
01:11:30,180 --> 01:11:32,940
here's what we know. We got
eight women, for men on the 12

1095
01:11:32,940 --> 01:11:36,390
person jury five of them are
black for Hispanic two people

1096
01:11:36,390 --> 01:11:39,390
are white, one person of Asian
descent. There are also four

1097
01:11:39,390 --> 01:11:42,180
alternates, all of those are
women, all of them are

1098
01:11:42,180 --> 01:11:46,530
sequestered now for the length
of this trial. Okay.

1099
01:11:48,090 --> 01:11:51,450
So we got that we got the jury
and when I say we I'm being

1100
01:11:51,540 --> 01:11:55,260
somewhat facetious, but it's
like, Okay, we got the judge. We

1101
01:11:55,260 --> 01:11:57,870
got the sheriff. We got the
jury.

1102
01:11:58,410 --> 01:12:00,900
What could possibly go wrong
from here? Well, we

1103
01:12:00,900 --> 01:12:04,830
get right. It's like okay, but
there is a reluctance. See,

1104
01:12:04,830 --> 01:12:07,680
because it's like we've seen
this story before. It's like

1105
01:12:07,680 --> 01:12:15,090
Louis and Lucy with the
football. So it's still so

1106
01:12:16,110 --> 01:12:19,650
thanks there. Because like, man,
we've seen people get out before

1107
01:12:19,650 --> 01:12:24,570
we saw the Rodney King case they
have video. Beaten this man the

1108
01:12:24,570 --> 01:12:26,970
street and these guys still got
off. So they're these they're

1109
01:12:27,000 --> 01:12:31,770
anxious there. But let's hear
the verdict of the case.

1110
01:12:33,390 --> 01:12:36,000
We're breaking news out of
Dallas, Texas right now a jury

1111
01:12:36,000 --> 01:12:39,660
has just found a former Dallas
police officer guilty on murder

1112
01:12:39,660 --> 01:12:42,090
charges. You remember Amber
Geiger. She was charged last

1113
01:12:42,090 --> 01:12:45,720
year after shooting and killing
her unarmed neighbor. Ed

1114
01:12:45,720 --> 01:12:48,390
Lavandera is outside the
courthouse with a very latest ad

1115
01:12:48,390 --> 01:12:50,340
this just happened fill us in.

1116
01:12:52,800 --> 01:12:55,980
Well, we'll let you see how it
unfolded inside this courtroom

1117
01:12:55,980 --> 01:13:00,090
here in Dallas just moments ago
as the judge read the verdict

1118
01:13:00,210 --> 01:13:01,410
against Amber Geiger.

1119
01:13:04,950 --> 01:13:09,630
Good morning ladies and
gentlemen. The jury had been

1120
01:13:09,630 --> 01:13:13,530
reached a verdict. Miss Geiger
and your team would you please

1121
01:13:13,530 --> 01:13:19,950
stand? We the jury unanimously
find the defendant Amber Geiger

1122
01:13:20,010 --> 01:13:24,720
guilty of murder as charged in
the indictment. No outburst.

1123
01:13:27,840 --> 01:13:31,170
You could hear the gas there
inside the courtroom as the

1124
01:13:31,230 --> 01:13:34,440
verdict was announced both them
John's family the 26 year old

1125
01:13:34,440 --> 01:13:38,640
accountant who was murdered by
Amber Geiger about a year ago

1126
01:13:38,730 --> 01:13:41,580
were inside that courtroom.
They've been wearing red every

1127
01:13:41,580 --> 01:13:44,790
day of coming to trial here but
that was both them John's

1128
01:13:44,820 --> 01:13:48,360
favorite color Amber Geiger is a
family also inside that

1129
01:13:48,360 --> 01:13:50,850
courtroom. Outside the
courtroom. You can see the heavy

1130
01:13:50,850 --> 01:13:53,190
security presence here at the
courthouse. You have to go

1131
01:13:53,190 --> 01:13:56,040
through a second layer of
security get to get to the

1132
01:13:56,190 --> 01:13:59,580
courtroom that is at the end of
the hallway. You could hear

1133
01:13:59,580 --> 01:14:02,730
cheering outside that courtroom
just shortly after that verdict

1134
01:14:02,730 --> 01:14:03,690
was read here.

1135
01:14:04,440 --> 01:14:10,170
Well, this is interesting. A
murderer verdict? Is the

1136
01:14:10,200 --> 01:14:14,760
unlawful premeditated killing of
one human being by another.

1137
01:14:17,580 --> 01:14:23,280
Yeah, she said she wanted to
kill him. Oh, she said that. She

1138
01:14:23,280 --> 01:14:24,240
was shooting to kill.

1139
01:14:24,540 --> 01:14:27,450
Ah okay, that's pretty damn
premeditated.

1140
01:14:28,500 --> 01:14:31,830
Yeah, so she was shooting to
kill. Now you're saying the

1141
01:14:31,830 --> 01:14:34,590
reasoning behind that? Was it
because she thought she was

1142
01:14:34,590 --> 01:14:36,150
actually in her own apartment.

1143
01:14:36,210 --> 01:14:39,510
Well, premeditated is open for
interpretation in this case, but

1144
01:14:39,510 --> 01:14:43,740
if she said if she said I was
shooting to kill, yeah, that's

1145
01:14:43,740 --> 01:14:48,150
not just shit. That's a tough
one. But yeah, okay. I'm I'm

1146
01:14:48,150 --> 01:14:48,630
listening.

1147
01:14:49,440 --> 01:14:53,160
So you heard the courtroom when
they read the verdict. People

1148
01:14:53,160 --> 01:14:57,660
celebrate. It's like yes, yes. I
mean, because we saw this with

1149
01:14:57,660 --> 01:15:00,030
the OJ case in reverse. Yep.

1150
01:15:01,830 --> 01:15:09,840
So and, and I was living in New
York when this happened, and I

1151
01:15:09,840 --> 01:15:14,010
remember when the verdict came
in. I mean, it rippled through

1152
01:15:14,010 --> 01:15:17,010
the entire city man, it was in
the buildings. Everyone was

1153
01:15:17,010 --> 01:15:21,180
talking about it. There was no
there was outrage, it was all

1154
01:15:21,180 --> 01:15:24,990
kinds of emotions. Just this the
only description I can give it

1155
01:15:24,990 --> 01:15:28,800
rippling, like tea, you know,
from the TV all through

1156
01:15:28,800 --> 01:15:29,310
the city.

1157
01:15:30,600 --> 01:15:36,660
So that was 95 I think correct?
I think so. Yeah. So, what, 20

1158
01:15:36,660 --> 01:15:41,100
years later? Well, no, most
people think he's guilty now.

1159
01:15:43,230 --> 01:15:45,090
I have my own bag

1160
01:15:45,090 --> 01:15:49,470
goes to show you how things I
have the case Yeah, we're not

1161
01:15:49,470 --> 01:15:51,840
gonna get into the case. Of
course, most telling you how

1162
01:15:51,870 --> 01:15:58,020
things change course, of course,
and my community in 95 O J. B

1163
01:15:58,020 --> 01:16:01,500
and the juice was loose. He was
saying like, you know, yeah, he

1164
01:16:01,500 --> 01:16:02,010
got all

1165
01:16:03,210 --> 01:16:07,500
the bananas. But now many years
later, like, Screw that guy. Get

1166
01:16:08,130 --> 01:16:12,060
any black person. They know what
you know why that is? No,

1167
01:16:12,090 --> 01:16:16,110
because he says I'm not black.
I'm OJ. Who?

1168
01:16:18,030 --> 01:16:22,200
He was cancelled. Big time.
Cancelled. Funny,

1169
01:16:22,440 --> 01:16:27,000
funny. Funny that that becomes
his most egregious mistake is to

1170
01:16:27,000 --> 01:16:28,920
say this now? I said yes.

1171
01:16:29,580 --> 01:16:32,100
And that's what we that's why
they were able to make that.

1172
01:16:33,090 --> 01:16:37,650
What are the effects showed it
kind of rewrote history? Wrote

1173
01:16:37,650 --> 01:16:39,780
it correctly. I don't care. I
mean, how have you seen? I mean,

1174
01:16:39,780 --> 01:16:42,420
I don't really get into I can
say we have to view things like

1175
01:16:42,420 --> 01:16:47,550
they are. These are sporting
events. Yeah. This is like the

1176
01:16:47,550 --> 01:16:52,920
Superbowl or whatever else to
the network. Yes. And I get

1177
01:16:52,920 --> 01:16:57,030
people all you know, I'm I'm a
cowboy. I'm a Redskin. You know,

1178
01:16:57,030 --> 01:17:00,390
no, you're not. You're out of
shape guy sitting on a couch.

1179
01:17:00,390 --> 01:17:03,090
You're gonna be What are you
talking about? I miss? Yeah.

1180
01:17:03,450 --> 01:17:06,840
Yes, me included. I mean, what
I'm saying. I mean, me included.

1181
01:17:06,870 --> 01:17:10,860
I mean, I'm not actually on the
team. But it's the same

1182
01:17:10,860 --> 01:17:12,960
manipulation. So

1183
01:17:13,050 --> 01:17:17,370
die has done for it done for
enormous profit in sports world.

1184
01:17:17,370 --> 01:17:18,870
But yeah, of course, it's
manipulation.

1185
01:17:19,500 --> 01:17:22,650
And done for the same way here
enormous profits. I would like

1186
01:17:22,650 --> 01:17:26,160
to see how many clicks this case
got or how many, you know,

1187
01:17:27,030 --> 01:17:31,170
that's why I said when I started
to show off, I said that, um,

1188
01:17:32,100 --> 01:17:37,710
made it through the social, you
know, manipulation, because you

1189
01:17:37,710 --> 01:17:40,650
can't avoid this conversation
anywhere. And it was just like,

1190
01:17:40,680 --> 01:17:45,390
Oh, God, you sit down to lunch
table, and he was like, that's

1191
01:17:45,390 --> 01:17:47,640
what people were talking about.
You go online, that's what

1192
01:17:47,640 --> 01:17:51,660
people were talking about. But
even for even more reason, as

1193
01:17:51,660 --> 01:17:56,250
we're going to see, so, okay,
she's found guilty. So it's

1194
01:17:56,250 --> 01:18:02,160
like, it's a huge win. It's
like, yes, we got her. Um, so

1195
01:18:02,160 --> 01:18:05,580
let's listen to Benjamin Crump.
Talk about the murderer, Ben

1196
01:18:05,580 --> 01:18:05,940
Crump.

1197
01:18:05,940 --> 01:18:11,040
When the verdict came down. Most
of us were surprised that she

1198
01:18:11,040 --> 01:18:13,800
was found guilty. And that's
pathetic.

1199
01:18:15,420 --> 01:18:20,490
Thomas, unbelievable. My co
counsels Dara Washington, Lee

1200
01:18:20,490 --> 01:18:25,440
Merritt, and we counted the
night before, how many

1201
01:18:25,440 --> 01:18:30,780
commentators? I mean, it is
white lawyers who will be saying

1202
01:18:30,780 --> 01:18:35,430
the totally opposite thing had
both them went into the wrong

1203
01:18:35,430 --> 01:18:39,690
apartment and killed Amber
Geiger. But they all say there

1204
01:18:39,690 --> 01:18:44,130
is no way you're gonna get a
murder conviction on this case.

1205
01:18:44,130 --> 01:18:48,330
In fact, most of them said she
was going to walk. So it is so

1206
01:18:48,330 --> 01:18:53,790
bittersweet this morning, that
we can come Tom and Sylvan talk

1207
01:18:53,790 --> 01:18:58,320
about how when we have people
show up for jury duty, because

1208
01:18:58,320 --> 01:19:02,610
we have a diverse jury that we
can get equal justice under the

1209
01:19:02,610 --> 01:19:07,860
law. And what a good feeling it
is for the family and for so

1210
01:19:07,860 --> 01:19:12,780
many other who prayed for
Justice Thomas, pray that this

1211
01:19:12,780 --> 01:19:16,560
woman wouldn't get away with
this because what message would

1212
01:19:16,560 --> 01:19:19,680
that have sent to the world?
Where would black people be safe

1213
01:19:19,890 --> 01:19:23,130
in America from not being killed
by police?

1214
01:19:24,090 --> 01:19:25,410
Fuck this guy. And

1215
01:19:27,720 --> 01:19:33,240
crop the same guy. Or two from
before? Yeah, he's talking to

1216
01:19:33,240 --> 01:19:37,170
you, guy he's talking to you
notice your guy? Yeah. Tom

1217
01:19:37,170 --> 01:19:37,590
Joyner.

1218
01:19:38,370 --> 01:19:42,480
It's my Oh, my gosh. Hey, you
already set me straight on Tom

1219
01:19:42,480 --> 01:19:49,170
Joyner is he's my ex guys no
longer in the club. Wow. But

1220
01:19:49,170 --> 01:19:52,140
this also? I mean, I mean, you
just,

1221
01:19:53,010 --> 01:19:56,100
this is Black radio. Yes. Early
in the morning. That's right.

1222
01:19:56,100 --> 01:20:00,030
And like I said, that's a whole
nother I want to go back to my

1223
01:20:00,030 --> 01:20:04,380
thing rang the bell on the
previous clip and they said they

1224
01:20:04,410 --> 01:20:10,830
read was his favorite color. He
had to read doormat. doormat

1225
01:20:11,580 --> 01:20:14,310
about it. Theremin please.

1226
01:20:15,600 --> 01:20:19,260
Whoa, what's going on Moe,
alright, theramin is playing

1227
01:20:23,310 --> 01:20:28,530
I'm not gonna harp on this much.
But hermetic theater.

1228
01:20:29,760 --> 01:20:34,290
hermetic theater. Yes. Not
familiar

1229
01:20:35,880 --> 01:20:39,270
is where they say like
numerology is important in these

1230
01:20:39,270 --> 01:20:43,140
cases and color coding. Now I'm
going way out there, but this is

1231
01:20:43,140 --> 01:20:46,020
for the, this is for the, for my
people in the back.

1232
01:20:48,780 --> 01:20:52,050
Everything she wore was blue.
Oh, God,

1233
01:20:53,370 --> 01:20:59,280
our dresses were blue. On the
other side. Right, everything

1234
01:20:59,280 --> 01:21:02,280
was red. I'm just gonna leave
that where it is. I'm gonna

1235
01:21:02,280 --> 01:21:05,460
leave that where it said, which
is that? I just want to say that

1236
01:21:05,460 --> 01:21:07,920
for the people that know what
I'm talking about. And that goes

1237
01:21:07,920 --> 01:21:11,430
back to the Masonic houses and
we Illuminati kind of stuff.

1238
01:21:11,550 --> 01:21:14,700
But it is also a Bloods and
Crips color thing or is that

1239
01:21:14,700 --> 01:21:18,060
just my, our Democrat or
Republican? Well, obviously I

1240
01:21:18,060 --> 01:21:22,320
mean, there's a lot of red and
blue stuff. So yeah, throw that

1241
01:21:22,320 --> 01:21:23,520
in there. Yes. Nice.

1242
01:21:24,000 --> 01:21:25,500
I just thought that was weird.

1243
01:21:26,940 --> 01:21:29,790
All we need is a number 33 to
pop up. And I'm convinced.

1244
01:21:30,360 --> 01:21:35,970
Right? So I always I knew why
she was wearing blue. On just on

1245
01:21:35,970 --> 01:21:40,080
the on the level because it's
like our she's trying to

1246
01:21:40,080 --> 01:21:47,340
identify as police. Every dress
she wore was blue. Every picture

1247
01:21:47,340 --> 01:21:50,820
in Korab. Look, every time you
say please other pictures to

1248
01:21:50,820 --> 01:21:56,280
people please sharing with me.
But she was signaling that that

1249
01:21:56,280 --> 01:21:58,530
it was built and that's gonna be
important these next few clips.

1250
01:21:58,920 --> 01:21:59,520
So

1251
01:21:59,880 --> 01:22:04,404
I love you Moe. Good. I just
thought we were done. No, no,

1252
01:22:04,482 --> 01:22:06,120
there's more. No, no,

1253
01:22:06,120 --> 01:22:08,910
no, no visionary crop. verdict.
Two,

1254
01:22:09,060 --> 01:22:14,160
let's talk about conviction. And
the time that he's going to be

1255
01:22:14,340 --> 01:22:18,240
the she's gonna get for the
murder conviction.

1256
01:22:18,360 --> 01:22:22,530
How much time can she get?
What's the maximum, she can get

1257
01:22:22,530 --> 01:22:28,890
up to 99 years in prison,
literally. In fact, nobody

1258
01:22:28,890 --> 01:22:31,740
thinks this is going to happen.
They could have put in for the

1259
01:22:31,740 --> 01:22:35,430
death penalty. But this is Texas
where they kill more people,

1260
01:22:35,430 --> 01:22:38,370
especially black and brown
people than anywhere else in

1261
01:22:38,430 --> 01:22:43,950
America. But if she can get from
five years to not deny yours is

1262
01:22:44,070 --> 01:22:48,270
all up to the jury or they can
do it down with departure as

1263
01:22:48,270 --> 01:22:53,100
well, Tom, however, I look at
this jury and the composition of

1264
01:22:53,100 --> 01:22:56,700
this jury. And I believe with
the prosecutor bringing out

1265
01:22:56,700 --> 01:23:01,830
about her Facebook post that is
could arguably be considered

1266
01:23:01,830 --> 01:23:07,470
racism in many regards, that
this jury is not going to let

1267
01:23:07,470 --> 01:23:13,710
these intellectual
justifications stop them from

1268
01:23:13,710 --> 01:23:18,750
returning a verdict that is
appropriate in this end justify

1269
01:23:18,750 --> 01:23:24,210
the killing of this black man
eating ice cream on his couch in

1270
01:23:24,210 --> 01:23:27,510
his apartment where he had every
legal right to be.

1271
01:23:28,440 --> 01:23:31,890
Oh, nice. Let's bring in a
little racism and let's kill her

1272
01:23:32,940 --> 01:23:34,620
ponente Yeah.

1273
01:23:36,390 --> 01:23:39,240
Yeah, to stop that flame. So now
he brought up the makeup of the

1274
01:23:39,240 --> 01:23:39,780
jury.

1275
01:23:41,880 --> 01:23:44,400
I'm sorry, let me just stop you
for a second. I live. I live in

1276
01:23:44,400 --> 01:23:52,320
Texas. I don't like killing
anything. I don't hunt. But the

1277
01:23:52,320 --> 01:23:56,700
obsession we have in the United
States with killing. I think

1278
01:23:56,700 --> 01:23:59,430
that we should definitely have
capital punishment, but we

1279
01:23:59,430 --> 01:24:02,580
should televise it. We should
put it on TV so everybody can

1280
01:24:02,580 --> 01:24:06,060
see it. And not just this oh,
let's let's kill her. Let's kill

1281
01:24:06,060 --> 01:24:09,330
him death penalty. You know,
that can't just be happening in

1282
01:24:09,330 --> 01:24:15,000
secret. So I'm not against this.
And I can understand if

1283
01:24:15,000 --> 01:24:18,120
something happened to someone. I
love how I would feel about it.

1284
01:24:18,510 --> 01:24:21,300
And living in Texas. I would
probably be quite Wait, wait,

1285
01:24:21,300 --> 01:24:22,320
wait, wait, wait, wait, wait,

1286
01:24:22,620 --> 01:24:24,660
wait, wait, wait, wait, no, no.

1287
01:24:26,160 --> 01:24:30,060
Put a marker in that statement
that you just said. You remember

1288
01:24:30,060 --> 01:24:34,500
how you will feel? I didn't mean
abrupt you but out but I want

1289
01:24:34,500 --> 01:24:39,720
you to remember that course.
Remember that? Okay. So if you

1290
01:24:39,720 --> 01:24:42,180
can finish your thought you want
to but I use one. Do you know

1291
01:24:42,180 --> 01:24:45,780
what I was saying? I'm good.
Yes. Okay, so now I want you to

1292
01:24:45,780 --> 01:24:50,190
do two two things for me. Play
the jury make up again and then

1293
01:24:50,190 --> 01:24:55,140
go right into the ex Dallas
officers and

1294
01:24:55,770 --> 01:24:58,170
we did get our chance by the way
to see the makeup of the jury as

1295
01:24:58,170 --> 01:25:00,300
well while our crews were in the
courtroom today. So Here's what

1296
01:25:00,300 --> 01:25:03,870
we know we got eight women, for
men on the 12 person jury, five

1297
01:25:03,870 --> 01:25:07,260
of them are black for Hispanic
two people are white, one person

1298
01:25:07,260 --> 01:25:10,440
of Asian descent. There are also
four alternates all of those are

1299
01:25:10,440 --> 01:25:13,680
women. All of them are
sequestered. Now for the length

1300
01:25:13,710 --> 01:25:14,820
of this trial.

1301
01:25:15,210 --> 01:25:18,570
A jury has sentenced former
Dallas police officer Amber

1302
01:25:18,570 --> 01:25:22,110
Geiger to 10 years in prison.
She was convicted of murdering

1303
01:25:22,110 --> 01:25:25,260
her unarmed neighbor both of
them John in his own apartment.

1304
01:25:25,590 --> 01:25:28,140
Omar via Franco reports from
Dallas.

1305
01:25:28,170 --> 01:25:31,410
Yes, the same jury that
convicted former police officer

1306
01:25:31,410 --> 01:25:34,800
Amber Geiger of murder has now
decided her sentence.

1307
01:25:34,920 --> 01:25:39,510
We the jury find unanimously
that the defendant did not cause

1308
01:25:39,510 --> 01:25:42,900
the death of both John while
under the immediate influence of

1309
01:25:42,900 --> 01:25:47,220
sudden passion, arising from
inadequate cause and assess the

1310
01:25:47,220 --> 01:25:51,270
defendant's punishment at 10
years imprisonment in the Texas

1311
01:25:51,270 --> 01:25:52,950
Department of Criminal Justice

1312
01:25:53,040 --> 01:25:57,120
Geiger face between five years
and life behind bars for killing

1313
01:25:57,120 --> 01:25:59,430
her neighbor. 26 year old both
them John.

1314
01:25:59,670 --> 01:26:02,340
Sounds like we had some
compassion from the female

1315
01:26:02,340 --> 01:26:03,300
members of the jury.

1316
01:26:04,530 --> 01:26:08,700
10 years for murder. Is he
talking about a huge kick in the

1317
01:26:08,700 --> 01:26:12,450
balls? Yeah. Now speaking from
one perspective now, you've

1318
01:26:12,450 --> 01:26:16,230
talked about a huge kick in the
balls. I got shot dead. Eating

1319
01:26:16,230 --> 01:26:19,980
ice cream and it's apartment.
And the lady gets 10 years.

1320
01:26:20,010 --> 01:26:24,390
Oh, and a, Moe. If it was if it
was my son who got killed?

1321
01:26:24,465 --> 01:26:28,316
Honestly, just just
hypothetically speaking, I'd be

1322
01:26:28,392 --> 01:26:30,960
waiting for it to come out of jail

1323
01:26:33,210 --> 01:26:34,710
after 10 You understand that I

1324
01:26:34,710 --> 01:26:35,670
think you do the same.

1325
01:26:37,950 --> 01:26:44,070
Remember you say that you're
saying because all right. Okay,

1326
01:26:44,100 --> 01:26:46,260
go into outrage at the amber
Geiger.

1327
01:26:47,160 --> 01:26:51,300
There is no piece of no Justin
he should have been 25 to 99

1328
01:26:51,330 --> 01:26:54,870
The Rage was immediate in the
crowd watching the murder trial.

1329
01:26:54,900 --> 01:27:01,800
How many? Before you understand
that our lives matter

1330
01:27:01,830 --> 01:27:08,520
rage at a sentence of just 10
years. But then, minutes later,

1331
01:27:08,520 --> 01:27:11,640
both John's mother stepped up to
the microphone wanting to talk

1332
01:27:11,640 --> 01:27:14,070
about more than just the
sentence now

1333
01:27:14,070 --> 01:27:22,110
corruption that we saw during
this process must stop. And it

1334
01:27:22,110 --> 01:27:29,430
must stop for you. Because after
now I leave Dallas, but you live

1335
01:27:29,430 --> 01:27:32,940
in Dallas, and it must stop for

1336
01:27:32,940 --> 01:27:33,840
everyone.

1337
01:27:34,620 --> 01:27:39,480
Allow me to nuance what I said
if it was my son. That's how I'd

1338
01:27:39,480 --> 01:27:44,310
feel in it. What happened here
is justice took place. I wasn't

1339
01:27:44,310 --> 01:27:51,240
in the court. The jury seems
pretty balanced. It doesn't make

1340
01:27:51,240 --> 01:27:54,630
none of this. It's a tragedy.
None of it makes anything right.

1341
01:27:57,930 --> 01:28:00,210
Shit, man, this is very tough.
There's

1342
01:28:00,210 --> 01:28:06,480
one piece of evidence. And I
left it out. You bastard. So we

1343
01:28:06,480 --> 01:28:09,660
can go back. Alright, so you
remember in the mom and the

1344
01:28:09,900 --> 01:28:13,380
original question. I want love
to go through the process and

1345
01:28:13,830 --> 01:28:18,390
the love and the love and the
love right. Now she's like, Oh,

1346
01:28:18,390 --> 01:28:22,770
it's the corruption. You know.
It's interesting. All right. So

1347
01:28:24,210 --> 01:28:30,450
Brenton John, is Botham's
brother, Amber in between the

1348
01:28:30,780 --> 01:28:36,570
guilty verdict. And the cynics
sentencing. They allowed the

1349
01:28:36,570 --> 01:28:39,120
family to get what they call
impact statements. Yeah,

1350
01:28:39,150 --> 01:28:43,140
when you get to address your you
get to address the killer or

1351
01:28:43,140 --> 01:28:43,890
whatever it is.

1352
01:28:44,580 --> 01:28:49,500
Right. Let's listen to John
Brant. And he's gonna say this.

1353
01:28:49,920 --> 01:28:55,650
He's what he said is
representative of how the whole

1354
01:28:55,650 --> 01:28:58,770
brain John family felt about the
case.

1355
01:28:59,190 --> 01:29:07,890
I can speak for myself, I I
forgive you. And I know if you

1356
01:29:07,890 --> 01:29:11,490
go to God and ask Him, He will
forgive you

1357
01:29:18,240 --> 01:29:21,720
and I don't think anyone could
say it. Again. I'm speaking for

1358
01:29:21,720 --> 01:29:26,400
myself. I'm not even bad for my
family. But I love you just like

1359
01:29:26,400 --> 01:29:35,910
anyone else. And I'm not gonna
say I hope you rot and die.

1360
01:29:36,960 --> 01:29:42,900
Because like my brother did, but
I see I personally want the best

1361
01:29:42,900 --> 01:29:50,190
for you. And I wasn't gonna ever
say this in front of my family

1362
01:29:50,190 --> 01:29:51,720
or anyone but

1363
01:29:54,180 --> 01:30:05,340
I don't even want you to go to
jail. I want the best Free I

1364
01:30:05,340 --> 01:30:08,820
don't know if it's possible, but
can I give her a hug? Please?

1365
01:30:08,850 --> 01:30:13,530
Oh, please. Wow.

1366
01:30:14,070 --> 01:30:20,850
I didn't hear about this. And he
got killed for the dead he did.

1367
01:30:22,410 --> 01:30:26,730
This man said, I don't want you
to go to jail. I want the best

1368
01:30:26,730 --> 01:30:34,170
for you. Can I hugger? Please?
Wow, disgusting.

1369
01:30:35,610 --> 01:30:38,250
And the reason why I say that is
I can't I'm not saying people

1370
01:30:38,250 --> 01:30:42,210
can't be forgiving. But this
factored into the sentencing.

1371
01:30:44,430 --> 01:30:52,380
Ah, wait a minute. Okay, so this
is pre sentencing. Whoa, well,

1372
01:30:52,380 --> 01:30:54,780
corruption from her own family.

1373
01:30:56,550 --> 01:30:59,100
Wow, would that be Adam?

1374
01:31:01,800 --> 01:31:03,960
I'm afraid to say anything at
this point.

1375
01:31:04,830 --> 01:31:10,740
I will say it for you. Okay. Ben
Crump. What did I say? He does?

1376
01:31:11,550 --> 01:31:15,390
Yeah, he Bri he makes it rain?
He does.

1377
01:31:17,520 --> 01:31:22,050
Part of that deal is we can't
have an uprising in the streets.

1378
01:31:23,370 --> 01:31:27,240
Can't have a bloodlust? Because
we seen that I mean, that kind

1379
01:31:27,240 --> 01:31:32,040
of what factored into the
Ferguson? Sure. And when, when

1380
01:31:32,040 --> 01:31:35,550
the father got up there say, you
know, we won't have any peace.

1381
01:31:35,880 --> 01:31:38,790
You know, he was kind of like,
you know, now I want to say

1382
01:31:38,790 --> 01:31:41,580
inside and right. But it mean,
he has a visceral reaction that

1383
01:31:41,580 --> 01:31:44,640
you had. And I mean, you were
speaking hypothetically, and he

1384
01:31:44,640 --> 01:31:49,440
was speaking really know from
the heart. Yeah. So that's and

1385
01:31:49,440 --> 01:31:52,110
this is not the only case where
you've seen this. We've seen

1386
01:31:52,110 --> 01:31:54,480
this over and over

1387
01:31:54,480 --> 01:31:57,900
again, I understand what you're
saying. So you're saying that,

1388
01:31:58,440 --> 01:32:03,990
Ben Crump. That's where the deal
was cut. Ben Crump says, Okay,

1389
01:32:05,670 --> 01:32:11,310
we're not going away. We need to
we need to get paid. And this

1390
01:32:11,520 --> 01:32:14,460
just has to lead to a
conviction. Now how that works

1391
01:32:14,460 --> 01:32:17,370
inside a jury and corrupting a
jury. I don't know. I don't want

1392
01:32:17,370 --> 01:32:21,120
to go. It doesn't it doesn't but
but it's like we need to get

1393
01:32:21,120 --> 01:32:23,880
paid. But we're also going to
temper everybody so that don't

1394
01:32:23,910 --> 01:32:26,850
go too crazy. Is that the idea?
So we don't have riots in the

1395
01:32:26,850 --> 01:32:30,030
streets. So this Ben Crump works
for all sides.

1396
01:32:30,600 --> 01:32:35,040
Exactly. That guy's evil. Boulais!

1397
01:32:37,770 --> 01:32:44,310
No no no no, I didn't have a
sound effect for Boulais Wow,

1398
01:32:44,340 --> 01:32:45,060
yes

1399
01:32:49,020 --> 01:32:54,180
shoot you got me. You guys his
artworks

1400
01:32:54,330 --> 01:32:59,340
you talk to him you go on the
radio all the death penalty. But

1401
01:33:00,000 --> 01:33:05,310
now I'm speculating speculating
here. But we've seen this over

1402
01:33:05,310 --> 01:33:09,270
and over and over again and
family comes out. Oh, we love

1403
01:33:09,270 --> 01:33:13,770
Him and we forgive and we I mean
immediately it's not like you

1404
01:33:13,770 --> 01:33:17,610
had you know, let me let me let
me see him sitting in jail for

1405
01:33:17,610 --> 01:33:22,230
you know for a few years let me
let me say Reese calibrate

1406
01:33:22,230 --> 01:33:27,690
Hatfield? No, no, no, no. He got
up on the stand and says I don't

1407
01:33:27,690 --> 01:33:34,170
want to see you go to jail and
then back to hug her. The woman

1408
01:33:34,170 --> 01:33:37,530
that shot and killed your
brother that's pretty big. He I

1409
01:33:37,530 --> 01:33:42,840
think he oversold it you saw
those AMS coming your way for

1410
01:33:42,840 --> 01:33:46,080
the people don't know what AMS
all those are millions. You saw

1411
01:33:46,080 --> 01:33:47,730
the AMS come your way racks.

1412
01:33:49,050 --> 01:33:50,910
Right. Make it rain.

1413
01:33:52,530 --> 01:33:56,250
Oh, get out here and he got up
there. And I think like you said

1414
01:33:56,250 --> 01:33:57,510
he didn't plan and say that

1415
01:33:59,580 --> 01:34:00,420
overplayed Yeah.

1416
01:34:00,930 --> 01:34:04,080
Okay, so let's go to bottom.
John brother clean up.

1417
01:34:05,310 --> 01:34:10,140
By the time I didn't know the
cameras on I after the

1418
01:34:10,140 --> 01:34:16,620
sentencing I so I'm most family
leave the room and follow with

1419
01:34:16,620 --> 01:34:21,810
Ranbir. And we left and came
back. Upon coming back. I didn't

1420
01:34:21,810 --> 01:34:24,570
think any comments to be on I
thought it was over because we

1421
01:34:24,570 --> 01:34:29,790
have the conviction. We have the
sentencing. And I was asked to

1422
01:34:30,660 --> 01:34:34,830
they asked all of us, any of us
who wanted to do the victim

1423
01:34:35,730 --> 01:34:39,990
impact statement and that's when
I I came up and I said I'll do

1424
01:34:39,990 --> 01:34:47,580
it. And then house of not
knowing the attention would get

1425
01:34:47,610 --> 01:34:54,600
what I did based on what I had
to say. I meant what I said and

1426
01:34:54,600 --> 01:34:57,150
I thank God I got the courage
she says

1427
01:34:58,170 --> 01:35:02,340
it's important to note that in
Brandis told me before that two

1428
01:35:02,340 --> 01:35:04,380
minutes before he gave the
impact statement, he wasn't

1429
01:35:04,380 --> 01:35:07,710
given any statement. And then
two minutes later, he was on the

1430
01:35:07,740 --> 01:35:11,550
on the, in the witness box,
speaking his heart to the person

1431
01:35:11,550 --> 01:35:16,230
who murdered his brother just
showed incredible bravery. But

1432
01:35:16,230 --> 01:35:18,930
it wasn't something done for
show. And I think that's the

1433
01:35:18,930 --> 01:35:21,120
reason it's connected so well
all over the country.

1434
01:35:21,510 --> 01:35:24,240
Wow. Where did that come from?
Where'd you get that? Yeah,

1435
01:35:24,480 --> 01:35:29,400
that was post post. The Senate
seeing I think a few days later,

1436
01:35:29,430 --> 01:35:32,850
they had a press conference. And
that was the other lawyer of the

1437
01:35:32,850 --> 01:35:37,560
family speaking. He was the
local lawyer they got and then

1438
01:35:37,590 --> 01:35:40,740
crops we've seen things happen.
You have a local affiliate, and

1439
01:35:40,740 --> 01:35:44,820
then you have you know, the big
man come in and he um, he works

1440
01:35:44,820 --> 01:35:47,370
his match. Where's this? Where's
he? Where's this family

1441
01:35:47,370 --> 01:35:50,790
from? Originally? I can't place
the accents. Like Creole is

1442
01:35:50,820 --> 01:35:51,090
like,

1443
01:35:51,600 --> 01:35:57,210
No, I think it's Hey, they say
st something in St. Lucia St.

1444
01:35:57,360 --> 01:36:03,090
Yes. St. Lucia. That's it. Okay.
All right. Okay, so once he said

1445
01:36:03,090 --> 01:36:05,820
that, I forgive you. And like I
said his sentiments were

1446
01:36:05,820 --> 01:36:09,120
representative of all the family
because the father got up there

1447
01:36:09,120 --> 01:36:12,540
said, oh, I want to be your
friend. And oh, man, it was

1448
01:36:12,540 --> 01:36:17,010
disgusting. Um, by just let his
work because he was the most

1449
01:36:17,010 --> 01:36:21,450
egregious and aironet killed
him. I mean, actually,

1450
01:36:21,750 --> 01:36:25,530
literally, they want to kill
him. Because they looked at like

1451
01:36:25,560 --> 01:36:32,790
you. He was the C word. Okay,
I'm gonna say that is by

1452
01:36:32,820 --> 01:36:35,880
definition of the word Kooning
at its finest.

1453
01:36:37,500 --> 01:36:39,390
Yeah, we've talked that we've
talked about this.

1454
01:36:40,020 --> 01:36:43,740
Yes. See, oh, in for people
don't know Kooning. Yes, you get

1455
01:36:43,770 --> 01:36:48,870
your brother is killed. Called
blurred. And you get this. Oh, I

1456
01:36:48,870 --> 01:36:52,080
love you. And I don't want to
see you and I want to hug you

1457
01:36:52,080 --> 01:36:55,170
please. As they jokey. What kind
of.

1458
01:36:55,680 --> 01:37:01,650
So are you insinuating here that
Crump said M's are common racks

1459
01:37:01,650 --> 01:37:05,310
and stacks gonna make it rain?
Chill? Yes. Geez.

1460
01:37:06,660 --> 01:37:09,660
You can't you can't talk crap.
Because if he gets up there

1461
01:37:09,660 --> 01:37:13,290
said, I won't see your burden.
Like, I want to get this clip

1462
01:37:13,290 --> 01:37:18,240
but Samuel Jackson and Tom
McHugh. Yeah, did it. And I hope

1463
01:37:18,240 --> 01:37:22,830
they burn the hell. I mean,
that's what you Yeah, yeah. If

1464
01:37:22,830 --> 01:37:27,780
you do that the streets can
explode. Okay, kidding. And so

1465
01:37:27,780 --> 01:37:30,660
it's like, hey, you know, I
mean, I think there's a wink and

1466
01:37:30,660 --> 01:37:35,670
a nod nod there. You know, it's
like, yeah, how walk back, you

1467
01:37:35,670 --> 01:37:36,090
know?

1468
01:37:36,690 --> 01:37:40,770
Well, no, but now I'm giving
myself some pause. Okay, so I'm

1469
01:37:40,770 --> 01:37:43,800
putting myself in this in the
family in the same situation.

1470
01:37:43,830 --> 01:37:47,160
And this is what I'm told. It's
like, okay, you can go, we can

1471
01:37:47,160 --> 01:37:51,390
rant and rave, and we can get
all you know, upset. He's not

1472
01:37:51,390 --> 01:37:55,110
coming back. But here's the
alternative. If we do X, Y, and

1473
01:37:55,110 --> 01:38:01,770
Z, and these people are
distraught. And you've got a

1474
01:38:01,770 --> 01:38:04,260
crop, right or wrong. Yeah, I'm
saying you gotta go. I'm just

1475
01:38:04,260 --> 01:38:06,900
trying to play it up. And you
got to Crump talking in your ear

1476
01:38:06,900 --> 01:38:09,390
saying, okay, you know, this is
exactly what he would say, look,

1477
01:38:09,390 --> 01:38:13,980
he's not coming back. But you
know, here's that, here's $10

1478
01:38:13,980 --> 01:38:18,240
million, or whatever the number
is, and I'm gonna get this for

1479
01:38:18,240 --> 01:38:19,650
you. But here's how we have to
do it.

1480
01:38:20,700 --> 01:38:25,350
Yes, we have to live off the
bottom. Yes. Know how that

1481
01:38:25,350 --> 01:38:30,360
conversation goes. I know how it
goes as my you know, he's not

1482
01:38:30,360 --> 01:38:35,100
here anymore. But you know, we
could do great things. You know

1483
01:38:35,100 --> 01:38:38,220
what, we bought them low. And
you heard that a lot with

1484
01:38:38,220 --> 01:38:41,700
everybody. What will bow womb?
Yeah, we have like bow. I think

1485
01:38:41,700 --> 01:38:44,550
the hashtag was like live like
bow or something like that.

1486
01:38:45,090 --> 01:38:47,730
There was a hat. They had T
shirts with hashtags on him and

1487
01:38:47,730 --> 01:38:54,210
Chris red t shirt. Red, red,
red. T shirts. Yeah. Yeah, with

1488
01:38:54,210 --> 01:38:57,510
some kind of weird. Go look at
pictures. You're some kind of

1489
01:38:57,510 --> 01:39:01,140
weird pyramid shape on it. I'm
just saying,

1490
01:39:01,200 --> 01:39:04,230
you know, you've I'm just
telling you this this. This turn

1491
01:39:04,230 --> 01:39:07,410
in the show has made me sad in
many ways.

1492
01:39:08,610 --> 01:39:12,300
Oh, it gets worse. I'm sorry to
say you but okay.

1493
01:39:12,660 --> 01:39:13,500
Okay.

1494
01:39:15,480 --> 01:39:19,140
Ain't no happy ending to this
one. Oh, I'm sorry folks. So

1495
01:39:19,140 --> 01:39:24,150
branch out John wasn't the only
one accused of cloning. Let's

1496
01:39:24,150 --> 01:39:29,520
listen to this is TD Hip Hop
media on YouTube when she got

1497
01:39:29,520 --> 01:39:34,890
down from the bench in gave
Amber Geiger a hug after the 10

1498
01:39:34,920 --> 01:39:40,890
year sentencing goes to show how
scared the judge actually was

1499
01:39:40,920 --> 01:39:46,860
for her livelihood. As it
pertains to remaining a judge.

1500
01:39:47,430 --> 01:39:51,630
You don't bite the hand that
feeds you, nor the hand that

1501
01:39:51,630 --> 01:39:54,690
protects you. Now let's get into
the conversation at hand or I

1502
01:39:54,690 --> 01:39:57,960
should say the topic at hand.
And that's about the amber

1503
01:39:57,960 --> 01:40:01,020
Geiger trial. Now I'm not going
to be The Dead Horse with this

1504
01:40:01,020 --> 01:40:03,660
one, but I do want to talk about
something that I have not heard

1505
01:40:03,660 --> 01:40:06,600
a lot of people talk about
already. And it's something that

1506
01:40:06,600 --> 01:40:12,810
you may not know, in regards to,
we'll say put in context to why

1507
01:40:12,810 --> 01:40:17,010
the actions of the judge and the
black police officer in the

1508
01:40:17,010 --> 01:40:20,280
courtroom during the amber
Geiger trial was the way it was

1509
01:40:20,280 --> 01:40:24,600
why it was so before finish, and
nonsensical watching the judge

1510
01:40:24,630 --> 01:40:29,220
hug Amber Geiger after being
sentenced to 10 years and after

1511
01:40:29,220 --> 01:40:32,910
being found guilty for murder,
you see the black female police

1512
01:40:32,910 --> 01:40:36,870
officer fixing the hair of amber
Geiger. This was all very

1513
01:40:36,870 --> 01:40:40,680
strange and nonsensical. And
before finish and left a lot of

1514
01:40:40,680 --> 01:40:44,040
us wondering what in the world
is actually going on here.

1515
01:40:45,090 --> 01:40:49,680
Now TD this is only on YouTube,
YouTube, TV hip hop, yes, yes.

1516
01:40:49,710 --> 01:40:51,960
Well, they're doing a great job
and following what the

1517
01:40:51,960 --> 01:40:56,610
mainstream does is just making
hay out of dead people.

1518
01:40:57,420 --> 01:41:00,150
So let me put some context of
what he's talking about there.

1519
01:41:00,900 --> 01:41:05,280
So after the sentencing, Miss
Tammy, and this is what they

1520
01:41:05,280 --> 01:41:11,430
call her now. Tammy, the mammy
camp comes down and I'm being

1521
01:41:11,430 --> 01:41:16,710
serious to me. These people are
hated. In the literal quote, the

1522
01:41:16,710 --> 01:41:20,580
judge, the judge, the black
judge, the one we're counting on

1523
01:41:20,580 --> 01:41:21,570
bring it home, Tammy?

1524
01:41:22,260 --> 01:41:24,900
She doesn't do Samson. She
doesn't do sentencing. She

1525
01:41:25,440 --> 01:41:28,770
got Yeah, no weights. I'll tell
you what, what she does do.

1526
01:41:28,800 --> 01:41:35,160
Okay. She comes out and lifts up
the stand. Hogs the shooter, the

1527
01:41:35,160 --> 01:41:40,050
convicted shooter, gives her her
personal Bible, her personal

1528
01:41:40,050 --> 01:41:51,120
Bible that's me, let me give you
some perspective to personal

1529
01:41:51,120 --> 01:41:55,800
Bibles and black people inside
baseball. Giving you a personal

1530
01:41:55,800 --> 01:42:00,900
Bible that's kind of like so you
do give it to another family

1531
01:42:00,900 --> 01:42:04,680
member. You know, like, you
know, your grandma gave you like

1532
01:42:04,680 --> 01:42:06,450
child on Reference Bible for
some.

1533
01:42:07,680 --> 01:42:10,140
I have a professional Bible and
given it anybody.

1534
01:42:10,740 --> 01:42:16,710
Right. The judge comes off the
stand. The blue judge, the blue

1535
01:42:17,220 --> 01:42:25,440
judge. Ah, comes out this day.
And she ain't the only one.

1536
01:42:25,650 --> 01:42:29,310
There was an unnamed cop. I
couldn't find her name. When she

1537
01:42:29,310 --> 01:42:35,040
was convicted foul guilty. The
black woman comes over to her

1538
01:42:35,040 --> 01:42:38,940
hand strokes her hair like she's
a small little child coming in

1539
01:42:38,940 --> 01:42:44,190
her fingers through her hair,
consoling her. The blue bailiffs

1540
01:42:45,120 --> 01:42:46,560
the blue bailiff.

1541
01:42:48,720 --> 01:42:52,560
This ain't black and white, bro.
This is red and blue. This is

1542
01:42:52,560 --> 01:42:55,620
blue. This is bullies. Yes, sir.

1543
01:43:00,510 --> 01:43:03,630
And that's what I was saying is
just like, even. And like I say,

1544
01:43:03,660 --> 01:43:07,620
we didn't want Tammy to do
anything illegal to tilt the

1545
01:43:07,620 --> 01:43:11,250
trial. We didn't want him saying
we don't. But when you see

1546
01:43:11,490 --> 01:43:16,560
people put in places. You got
the conviction. And then the

1547
01:43:16,560 --> 01:43:20,100
family does this. It's like, I
will tell you what it is. It's

1548
01:43:20,100 --> 01:43:22,080
something that you will say it's
a bit nothing burger.

1549
01:43:23,070 --> 01:43:26,160
I've never said that. What are
you talking about? I would never

1550
01:43:26,160 --> 01:43:38,700
use a Van Jones term ever. You
bastard. You saved it an hour

1551
01:43:38,700 --> 01:43:42,480
and 43 minutes and you got me
very good. You put out there

1552
01:43:42,480 --> 01:43:45,600
nothing. You had to do the
nothing burger on me. I'll never

1553
01:43:45,600 --> 01:43:46,050
live it down.

1554
01:43:47,850 --> 01:43:50,130
Now, I thought was perfect time

1555
01:43:50,550 --> 01:43:54,150
very well. Well, this is

1556
01:43:54,150 --> 01:43:59,220
where this is where people would
be like, Man, you get the

1557
01:43:59,220 --> 01:44:03,420
conviction. The lady says she
meant to kill the man. And then

1558
01:44:03,420 --> 01:44:07,470
you get 10 years in it. And like
I said, it can't be that quick

1559
01:44:07,470 --> 01:44:10,860
blue. One question on the
timing. Yeah, did the judge come

1560
01:44:10,860 --> 01:44:14,070
down and hug her and give her
personal Bible after the verdict

1561
01:44:14,100 --> 01:44:18,240
or after the conviction? After
the sentencing after the

1562
01:44:18,240 --> 01:44:22,860
sourcing flower? Yes. Wow. And
like I said, you had to look at

1563
01:44:22,860 --> 01:44:27,060
this in real time. This happened
like in a 48 hour span. And this

1564
01:44:27,060 --> 01:44:30,480
is why this is a huge kick in
the nuts to the black people

1565
01:44:30,480 --> 01:44:33,720
that were invested in this
story. And this was I don't get

1566
01:44:33,720 --> 01:44:36,270
invested in the stories. Because

1567
01:44:36,330 --> 01:44:37,050
it's like

1568
01:44:40,110 --> 01:44:42,600
you get the conviction. You
heard the joy of the big

1569
01:44:42,600 --> 01:44:47,760
krumping Tom Joyner Yeah, we did
it. Yeah, we got her. And like

1570
01:44:47,760 --> 01:44:51,540
he's talking nine year death
penalty. It's like, oh, man, we

1571
01:44:51,540 --> 01:44:54,210
got this rap in the bag. And
it's like, did you get the

1572
01:44:54,210 --> 01:44:57,180
brother go up there doing it
sentencing and it's all over you

1573
01:44:57,180 --> 01:45:00,990
too. It's like, oh, man, can you
hit his clown? and you have the

1574
01:45:01,050 --> 01:45:06,810
lady bailiff consoling the
shooter. But I mean, like, like

1575
01:45:06,810 --> 01:45:09,450
you would do a small child like
rubbing her and it's the

1576
01:45:09,450 --> 01:45:12,450
imagery. I mean that's that's
just colorist it's

1577
01:45:12,450 --> 01:45:16,050
just in but it's inappropriate
in any case in any color. It's

1578
01:45:16,050 --> 01:45:18,960
inappropriate for officers of
the court to conduct themselves

1579
01:45:18,960 --> 01:45:20,910
that way. Walking into

1580
01:45:20,910 --> 01:45:24,420
probate because what we talked
about colorism listed where it

1581
01:45:24,420 --> 01:45:33,510
plays. You have a very dark skin
bayleaf consoling a blond haired

1582
01:45:33,540 --> 01:45:38,250
white woman that is being kicked
out guilty of murder the

1583
01:45:38,250 --> 01:45:41,910
imagery. I'm not like I said, I
don't. I'm talking about what it

1584
01:45:41,910 --> 01:45:42,480
looks like.

1585
01:45:44,700 --> 01:45:47,100
It looks messed up is what it
looks like.

1586
01:45:47,610 --> 01:45:51,390
And they you have Tammy come
out. I'll first stand and say

1587
01:45:51,390 --> 01:45:53,130
here, child, here's my Bible.

1588
01:45:54,510 --> 01:45:58,350
I want you to read from every
day. And then the lady gets 10

1589
01:45:58,380 --> 01:46:00,660
years. But wait,

1590
01:46:00,900 --> 01:46:03,360
there's more. No, no, no, I
can't

1591
01:46:03,360 --> 01:46:06,000
handle more. key witness.

1592
01:46:06,120 --> 01:46:09,510
There is a murder mystery in
Dallas tonight. A witness in the

1593
01:46:09,510 --> 01:46:13,230
trial of former police officer
Amber Geiger was shot and killed

1594
01:46:13,230 --> 01:46:17,520
a Friday night. Joshua Brown's
death comes 10 days after he

1595
01:46:17,520 --> 01:46:20,820
gave key testimony in that case,
here's Mike Oliver.

1596
01:46:22,860 --> 01:46:23,700
Like we have one on the

1597
01:46:24,210 --> 01:46:28,230
Dallas Police a 27 year old
Joshua brown suffered multiple

1598
01:46:28,230 --> 01:46:31,110
gunshot wounds and was found
lying on the ground in the

1599
01:46:31,110 --> 01:46:34,680
parking lot of his apartment
Friday night. Brown used to live

1600
01:46:34,680 --> 01:46:37,890
in the same apartment complex as
former Dallas police officer

1601
01:46:37,890 --> 01:46:41,730
Amber Geiger and her victim. He
was just across the hall from

1602
01:46:41,730 --> 01:46:47,520
Botham, John that night in
September 2018. When Geiger said

1603
01:46:47,520 --> 01:46:50,940
she mistakenly walked into
Shawn's apartment and shot him

1604
01:46:50,970 --> 01:46:56,790
with her service weapon. Just
last week, Brown told the jury

1605
01:46:56,790 --> 01:47:00,300
he heard the interaction between
Geiger and John followed by

1606
01:47:00,300 --> 01:47:01,380
gunshots

1607
01:47:01,500 --> 01:47:04,530
that detail one of the voices
was getting loud to me as

1608
01:47:04,530 --> 01:47:12,240
livestock police or anything of
that nature. That was my gun

1609
01:47:12,240 --> 01:47:14,220
pointed. And I'm saying Let me
see

1610
01:47:14,220 --> 01:47:17,130
your hands. Let me see your
hands. Geiger was sentenced to

1611
01:47:17,130 --> 01:47:21,360
10 years in prison. Dallas
Police are still searching for a

1612
01:47:21,360 --> 01:47:24,960
suspect and a motive. Several
witnesses say they saw a silver

1613
01:47:24,960 --> 01:47:28,200
four door sedan Speedway from
the apartment complex. The

1614
01:47:28,200 --> 01:47:31,530
Dallas County prosecutor called
Browns testimony brave and said

1615
01:47:31,530 --> 01:47:34,830
that he came forward to testify
lane when others wouldn't still

1616
01:47:34,830 --> 01:47:35,400
so many

1617
01:47:35,400 --> 01:47:37,290
unanswered questions. Meg, thank
you.

1618
01:47:38,730 --> 01:47:42,540
Oh my God, just so you know that
to crime is one of the most

1619
01:47:42,540 --> 01:47:47,670
popular podcast categories right
now. You've basically taken us

1620
01:47:47,670 --> 01:47:52,860
to the top of iTunes as far as
I'm concerned. Because this you

1621
01:47:52,860 --> 01:47:56,430
can look at this many ways. But
this kind of turns everything on

1622
01:47:56,430 --> 01:47:59,160
his head at the very end leaves
us with questions

1623
01:47:59,190 --> 01:47:59,910
unanswered.

1624
01:48:02,160 --> 01:48:04,590
Conspiracy theories, no kidding.

1625
01:48:05,130 --> 01:48:08,430
Because we got to keep it going.
So we can revisit the case every

1626
01:48:08,430 --> 01:48:13,290
year. And we can keep talking
about it and keep making money

1627
01:48:13,290 --> 01:48:13,800
off of it.

1628
01:48:17,490 --> 01:48:20,820
People don't get invested in
these stories.

1629
01:48:21,630 --> 01:48:24,540
You're being led along by the
nose and you're being

1630
01:48:24,540 --> 01:48:29,520
manipulated and it's all about
money for everybody. Almost

1631
01:48:29,520 --> 01:48:37,260
everybody involved in this
unbelievable well, as much fun

1632
01:48:37,260 --> 01:48:42,900
as I had during the show. I need
to take a shower and I need to

1633
01:48:43,980 --> 01:48:48,180
calm down. This is very
disturbing. And it's it's really

1634
01:48:48,180 --> 01:48:52,170
disturbing how this played out
and a won't stop. It just will

1635
01:48:52,170 --> 01:48:55,740
keep on going now with this,
because we have the guy saying

1636
01:48:55,740 --> 01:48:58,290
something that doesn't fit the
sentencing doesn't fit the

1637
01:48:58,290 --> 01:49:01,770
conviction doesn't fit the
scenario that was painted for

1638
01:49:01,770 --> 01:49:02,790
us. Oh, and he's dead.

1639
01:49:04,380 --> 01:49:08,490
There the lead witness chased
the lead witnesses ended up dead

1640
01:49:08,520 --> 01:49:15,510
shot days after the sentencing.
But there's hope because I don't

1641
01:49:15,510 --> 01:49:18,840
want to leave people on a down
note. Okay. If you don't

1642
01:49:18,840 --> 01:49:23,850
participate in this, these
shows. And that's why I opened

1643
01:49:23,850 --> 01:49:28,770
this up this podcast up with
saying they sold us tours as a

1644
01:49:28,770 --> 01:49:33,570
movie. It's just gonna be
another movie another

1645
01:49:33,570 --> 01:49:38,940
blockbuster. Don't participate.
turn the television off. If you

1646
01:49:38,940 --> 01:49:42,210
want to help people deal with
one on one to one relation just

1647
01:49:42,210 --> 01:49:45,420
like me you do Adam. We can't
hear how the conversation man

1648
01:49:45,420 --> 01:49:49,710
you. You know we push back on
each other on our perspective

1649
01:49:49,710 --> 01:49:53,940
perspectives and you made me
understand where you're coming

1650
01:49:53,940 --> 01:49:56,460
from and I shot to make you
understand where I was coming

1651
01:49:56,460 --> 01:50:00,990
from and where, how they're able
to play On our pullout

1652
01:50:00,990 --> 01:50:04,140
heartstrings not let them

1653
01:50:04,200 --> 01:50:07,890
and as it turns out, it's it's
very possible for people of

1654
01:50:07,890 --> 01:50:10,830
different backgrounds to have
normal conversations and talk

1655
01:50:10,830 --> 01:50:15,480
through stuff. Very much so but
not with the help of the

1656
01:50:15,480 --> 01:50:20,940
mainstream media with elite
structures in general.

1657
01:50:22,110 --> 01:50:23,520
And it's up to us,

1658
01:50:23,670 --> 01:50:26,010
I mean, not just you and I but
to everybody you're right, you

1659
01:50:26,010 --> 01:50:31,620
got you got to stay away from
this stuff or look at work on

1660
01:50:31,620 --> 01:50:35,280
looking at it with open eyes as
to what's really going on

1661
01:50:35,280 --> 01:50:37,410
because you're not just seeing
something unfold in front of

1662
01:50:37,410 --> 01:50:40,590
you, you are being pulled in and
becoming a part of the story. We

1663
01:50:40,590 --> 01:50:44,070
heard it there that you're a
part of the story when you're

1664
01:50:44,070 --> 01:50:47,640
out protesting and screaming and
outraged and from all sides,

1665
01:50:47,910 --> 01:50:51,510
you're being drawn in it's it's
very meta, but you're part of

1666
01:50:51,510 --> 01:50:55,620
the drama, and it's only
benefiting in most cases, big

1667
01:50:55,620 --> 01:50:59,220
corporations who set out to
manipulate you to get the money

1668
01:50:59,220 --> 01:51:03,960
in the first place. Whilst
that's, that's right. Well,

1669
01:51:03,960 --> 01:51:07,560
speaking of which, we're
podcasters. So we make no money

1670
01:51:07,560 --> 01:51:12,540
out of the deal. Every
everyone's making bank. All we

1671
01:51:12,540 --> 01:51:15,900
asked for that you consider if
you got any value out of this,

1672
01:51:16,500 --> 01:51:19,950
this show and this conversation
that we're having, and we'd love

1673
01:51:19,950 --> 01:51:23,310
for you to a show that value by
going to MoeFundMe.com

1674
01:51:23,340 --> 01:51:30,090
moefundme.com Or just go to
MoeFactz.com and consider

1675
01:51:30,120 --> 01:51:33,180
supporting the show and the work
and Moe I once again I got to

1676
01:51:33,180 --> 01:51:37,890
thank you for an excellently
produced show. You bring it

1677
01:51:37,890 --> 01:51:41,340
every single time and I really,
really appreciate it Moreover,

1678
01:51:41,880 --> 01:51:44,460
because this is exactly what I
was talking about my very own

1679
01:51:44,460 --> 01:51:48,450
house, I had no idea and if you
read my mind, you helped me and

1680
01:51:48,450 --> 01:51:52,140
I know that my wife is smiling
in the car right now going like

1681
01:51:52,350 --> 01:51:55,260
now I know what's going on and
boy am I glad that I've gotten

1682
01:51:55,260 --> 01:52:00,000
Moe factz to take me by the hand
and lead me down the journey of

1683
01:52:00,000 --> 01:52:00,960
the correct path.

1684
01:52:02,400 --> 01:52:06,870
Well, as I always say, pay
attention to everything and the

1685
01:52:06,870 --> 01:52:08,400
truth will reveal itself

1686
01:52:08,550 --> 01:52:12,059
and we'll be back next Monday
with another episode of Moe

1687
01:52:12,120 --> 01:52:15,814
Factz with Adam curry check us
out. MoeFactz.com Talk to you

1688
01:52:15,876 --> 01:52:16,800
next Monday Moe

1689
01:52:17,970 --> 01:54:38,190
alright see you next Monday Adam