mo fax with Adam curry for January 13 2020 This is episode
number 21 And hello mr. Moe.
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I am good mo it's very sad day of course for this show as as we
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The news is kind of going crazy to like what there's a there's
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I heard I heard that too. Like,
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So what are we doing? Mo what? What's on
deck? Show top Eisah?
Ah, yes. The patriarchy. Okay. The patriarchy. I've always
wondered. So we're doing a show tonight. She
got it twice. It's
a show about me basically, am I not a part of the problem? Am I
not in the patriarchy?
Well, I'll think it's more of me being the problem. Maybe your
influence on me. Okay, all right. Not personally, but just
what we what we've seen here is we talked about this before, and
2020 that politically, we're going to see a wedge driven
between black men and black women, yes. With black women
supposedly
needing to take charge and show their black men the error of
their ways.
Yes, the powers that be want to isolate black women into their
own demographic. And so I've been seeing little jabs, verbal
bombs cherry bomb has been lobbed over, you know, but this
one really caught me and I was like, Okay, it's official. I'm
our black man capable of maintaining a law relationship.
Oh,
I don't speak for the black community. But I do think that a
lot of black men, they really don't know how to have true
faithful relationships. They think because they have money,
because they have power that they can treat women any kind of
way. Loni Love is saying and that is something we need to
work on. We are still dealing with the point of slavery, and
we are descendants of slavery. And because our families were
broken up, we still do not have idea of what how to have
together families because our families are broken
up. Wow. Okay, a lot of things in there. First of all, this is
the real, isn't it? The talk show? Yes. The real Loni Love.
Yes, it was Lonnie. I don't know her.
She's a black lady, the heavyset black lady.
I know who she is. Yeah. All right. Got it. Right. And
before this clip of maybe a month or two ago, she let it be
known that she's interracially dating older white men and I've
noticed since Then she's been throwing little, you know,
little baby jabs at black men, but she just really came out and
say a whole group of people, a whole group of people or
not, it was completely racist, bigoted.
And if, if this would have happened, and she came back and
gave apology, then this really wouldn't be a show. For her
network. Yeah, not to come out and make her apologize to a
whole demographic of people. Yeah, that let me know that this
is sanction. Not maybe influenced or make a tow to say
this, but it's like, okay, yeah, we can let that ride. Did you
see
any pushback on Twitter or any other social media about about
what you said, because I didn't see anything.
Because this set, this set the black manosphere, which is a
thing, I saw black YouTube, it's more like the kind of like the
MiG towel. Ish. I don't want to put that label on there men
going their own way. Yeah, men going their own way. Black men,
black people that are black positive towards black males.
I'm hearing a branding opportunity here. Because we
need to be able to name this. I understand what you're saying.
But there's no name for it yet.
When there actually is a couple of people who have coined the
term. I call it the black manosphere. But it set it on
fire. Oh, oh. Okay. She said that. She's interracial dating.
And she kind of made the excuse of why? Well, she did
something kind of nasty. She, she kind of said, well, you
know, this is all historical. And it's no man about the house
is I guess what she referred to?
What? No, wait a minute. She went all the way back to
slavery, right is bullcrap. Right? Which is bullcrap.
Because on this show, we've discussed the town right after
slavery, black people had a high level of two parent households
marriage. That's right. And it declined in the 1940s 50s 60s.
To where is the state is now. So that was bush. She was even
incorrect in her analysis of why it was. But my thing is for her
to be able to say that on a national television show, and
nobody made her apologize or walk it back or anything that
lets you know that it's open season on black men and black
patriarchy.
Not to belabor it. What's the name of her? Her her older
boyfriend? I have no idea. Because he's not he's not he's
like he's not known. And that's the other thing is like you
didn't you?
Okay, I'm looking. Well, you know, I'm, I'm, I'm naturally
curious. Okay, his name is James Welsh. All right. Okay, boring
guy. All right, let's onward.
Okay, so onward. She's not the first person as I stated before,
that has said, derogatory comments about men. And
sometimes when people say men, they only mean a specific group
of men. We had a singer named Kay Michelle. This I did a show
on my, on my YouTube channel, where she says, quote, I don't
think men are good people. So they pressed her on this topic
on this radio show. Notice the radio black radio where she's
propagating this, this mindset, and she said, Oh, no, I'm a good
person. I know as my dad. That's it. So after that, I took this
next clip. I took went back and listen to see if I need to clip
that part. But it wasn't really I just expressed to you what she
said. But I felt this little nugget that I found interesting
nowadays, that's not the man that I see. They don't have any
of it no heart like that. Like I went to J J's yesterday. I
wanted to go to Campbellton and I say like hey, you finna get
it. Yes, I am. And I went back there with the dudes in the back
and young do X me? He said Who What were your security? Where
you when I said Well, sir, how old are you? I said why are you
asking me for just security? You're supposed to secure me
you're a black man. Yeah, like why gotta be scared around
you're you're supposed to protect babies and men speak at
ease man I'm protecting nobody think that is because they mom
was embrace. And I And they, they see is what they seen. If
you don't know you don't know. They haven't even seen better,
you know, for them to know how to do better.
All right. Here's what I heard. I heard a number of things. The
one that was, I think would be quite offensive is their mama
didn't raise him. Did I nail it? Yeah, that you don't. By the
way, you don't say that to a black mother. I don't care if
it's true or not, unless you want to get that shoe by Eddie
Murphy.
So here's what she made a valid point. Who raised him, right?
Who raised these young men, their mothers for the majority?
Not fathers. Yep. And this is the, this is really the point I
want to make in this show and highlight in the show, and we're
not going to be attacking anybody because not what we're I
really do. highlight how things are, how they got that way. And
who was behind it? That's kind of like what we do on the show.
Oh, yeah. So for her to say, why did she say the father's?
Because that was where you would think a man would get his male
traits to protect them, you know, masculine need to be
protected for women and children and things of that nature. You
would say, oh, man, your father didn't teach you anything? Well,
I,
I presume she's making a generalization that black men
grow up without their fathers.
Exactly. And that's the root of the problem. That is the root of
the problem. How can you learn something for somebody that
they're not there to teach you now, we're gonna get into why we
spoke about why have no man in the house, and it just became
now it's cultural. It's cultural. But there was a there
was a period. I mean, some things that happened in between
them no man house period. And now that we're really going to
deep dive in, because I know people like oh, we kind of
covered this topic before. Yes, we did. But there's one segment
of time that we didn't really get into. But you're probably
wondering, why is this a big issue? Why where did this really
crop up at? So I was looking through some old clips I had,
and I found this interesting one from MSNBC and Donny Deutsch.
Oh, this guy. That guy.
Yeah. Okay. Donny Deutsch, former advertising executive.
Here
we go. Donald Trump was the aggressor was taking it to her.
What he lost the debate and let me tell you why. It's very
simple. Okay. This is no longer about politics. This is gender
war. Okay. This is I've spent 1000s of hours with with in
women focus groups. And the Friday Thau to do sneaky. Really
nice. Friday thing of, we don't have to reboot of grabbing
women. Every woman in America was listening, you would dismiss
it was lensing that from last night as he was lurking behind,
as Nicole Wallace said, I would have call 911 As he was telling
me, he's going to jail, her women in America are going to
stand up and revolt. It's always been about the women, and there
will be more to come. And the words didn't mean anything. What
when every woman in America who has ever been held down,
oppressed, harassed, there is something in them, there's a
nerve that hits that so transcends everything else. And
if you're not seeing that, you're missing them. By the way,
it's not the point that men objectify women will not. It's
what they heard
and saw. Okay, where did How do you interpret this? This is a
gender war. Well, of course.
Rice, how about World War Three? Iran, no, World War Three is the
gender war. And it's the end it got hot 2016 or leading up into
2016 the election, that's when it went hot, it was cold. But
now, this is where we're at. And I noticed a stretch you like,
come on Mo, but for a certain group of women to come out on
television and target a whole demographic. Repeatedly, woman
after a woman I could I could attend to these clips of
celebrities quote unquote celebrities saying sideway
things towards black men.
Yeah, it's interesting. You brought Donny Deutsch in because
what he I think specifically in what you know, the Morning Joe
show that he's on what they they really are, or they believe, and
I think that correct. They are speaking to white suburban moms.
So it is a gender war, but it's, it's right now you've got an old
white dude, saying this, but what I'm hearing here in your
clip from the real is now we have black women basically
trying to split off black women from black men.
Yes, because they don't want that mindset of asking for a
tangible wheels. Which tangibles is a logical thing? You give me
something for something return? No, they want the emotional
play. So they need us out of the way. So they can run their
emotional script like they've been doing for ages, because it
doesn't work on this anymore. For the most part, I mean, take
that back. It doesn't work on a sizable portion of the black
male community doesn't work anymore. And it's funny that you
said that. This is great. Why you said that. You said that.
MSNBC morning, Joe targets white suburban women. That's right.
Well, it was something I couldn't clip because it was
visual. So you have mica, key mouse to a black female pundit
when it was on this panel? Oh, that thing you said about white
women is like it was really an honorable, so you couldn't
really? Can't you read lips and see what she's saying? She said,
Thank you, the thing you said about white women and you're
like, not it and then the black female pundit dove right in. And
it was like, Yeah, white women frolic can see about being
victimized about Donald Trump when him saying grandpa, the you
know what, now they can see the pain, you know, and then Myka
give us a Okay, sound like great. That's great. Okay, so
now, I'll post it on my Twitter. So people can see that clip. But
it was just amazing. Like, right on cue. She sent you're saying,
like, get him. And that's where we're at right now. Get them
right.
But but at this point, we are talking about talking heads and
pundits on television who may have a have a different who have
an agenda and have a program they're running through. I don't
know if this is I doubt this is universal outside of television,
land and politics land. Or is
it we're going to investigate the influence of television?
Good. Well, how it shrinks.
Down sucks everybody up. Yes, exactly.
But Loni Love, she's not a political pundit. I mean, she
does daytime television, which I think daytime television is some
of the most powerful propaganda. Sometimes, I mean, I'm off on
weekdays, I used to be off weekdays, and I would just sit
down and watch it. I'm like, holy crap. I mean, this is a
straight up. Oh,
well, you know, I'm I'm a view watcher. So yeah, right. Oh,
totally. It's all it's a massive propaganda and shaming group
thing, shaming, Kancil culture. Oh, yeah. It's all there.
Absolutely.
So I just took that away. So we can't just poopoo what Lonnie
says, and I can say this stuff. What got me was, you know, most
of the time the net were like, well, you need to go clean that
out, you know, and that just goes to show you what I think
about black men. We're not a demographic or any other group
you can say. Yeah, Lumberjacks? No, say I can't maintain a
relationship and you know, the lumberjack contingency would
come out. Say you need to back off the lumberjacks and
you'd have a spokes spokes hole. At least you'd have someone to
write a union.
Ronnie Yeah.
Exactly. Right.
All right. So what are your favorite guys? Jason Whitlock?
Oh, yeah. I love this guy. He said from Fox News, Fox Sports.
One Fs one. Yeah.
Yes. But I found him doing an interview on a podcast called
scone TV unscripted.
Now, we know that on podcast people always get loose. And I
think Whitlock is he talks really straight on mainstream
TV. So I can't wait to hear what he's got to say here. I am a fan
of this guy.
Is the honest truth about how to set loose. Whitlock one
patriarchy,
believe in family. But believe in the patriarchy where and
again, I don't talk. I am the patriarchy. I tell people up
front. You know it. I pay a price for that with these woke
women out here now. But I believe men and women have
unique responsibilities. And I'm willing to live up to my as a
man. I don't and again, unique responsibilities, not unequal
responsibilities, unique responsibilities. All the
responsibilities that apply to a man I'm willing to take on.
Okay, fair enough. So I think that was a clear statement of
where if you had to say where the black patriarchy was, we all
know what our responsibility is. And we will listen to the guys
that that live up to that standard.
And what does that mean what I gotta call you mo what does that
mean? What is what is the standard? What is it What is
that?
Living, he said, It's protecting women protecting children, being
a provider, being responsible for your actions, using logic
over emotion. It's
a very visionary, very traditional approach to a real
area.
Bear Baer and Mrs. This was the bedrock of the black community,
before you had the second wave, feminism come in, and it kind of
drove a wedge there. Now, and now we're seeing the results, a
third wave, and we're seeing the destruction of the black family
structure. And this is where we're at. And it's like, now
with the information age, where people can pinpoint where we
went wrong. People can go back, read literature, watch videos,
see stuff, how things really went down, and it can pinpoint
it. It's like, oh, we're not going to recreate the or redo
those mistakes. We want to fix it. So you have a lot of guys a
sizable number of guys that want to be fathers in their homes.
They want to be providers to their wives, you know, what? To
get what we respect and return. That's where the rub is. And I
want to lead off with that clip. But here's because men and women
are equal. They're not the same, but they are equal. And we have
unique roles of all
men, you know, that's so unwelcome view. I mean, that's,
I'm just saying there's so there's an additional dynamic to
this is what you see as it traditional, or the roles and
the relationship, which I'm not disagreeing with. is So
traditional that it's actually not woke. And I think there's a
brain fry going on with some people. When you want Yes, yeah.
This is the new woke.
And the reason why I say what I think well is used to mean
counterculture, counter culture. And patriarchy in the black
community is the new counterculture. Masculinity is
the new counterculture. Not toxic, not toxic in the form of
masculinity of bravado and being overly gangster
or whatever. No, but the show that literally patriarchal,
funny enough, that that's exactly what we requested
patriarchy Oh, no, this is this is the brain fry. Yeah.
But let's get here's some more Jason, Jason Whitlock, our black
family,
all kinds of decisions are being made all kinds of new cultural
norms are being established. Hmm, that perhaps you don't
agree with and, but you're running around chasing after
Trump, and don't even care that all your cultural norms are
being reshaped. And, again, we have created particularly, is
throughout American society, but it's most acute in our society.
We have been convinced as black men and women that we don't need
each other. That's the most toxic poisonous dangerous
creation we can have.
We're on the precipice of self destruction if that takes root.
Wow.
Yeah, so anyway, here's the thing. However, other people
want to live their lives. It doesn't bother me. I've voiced
my opinion on it should be a parent in the home and
apparently that works. I think that's the best situation now
that's not ideal for everybody because of financial reasons.
I'm not saying one gender is obligated to stay at home and
one genders not. But I think traditionally one parent should
be able to stay at home. And just to point that out, um, what
we should be fighting for instead of the gauge was the
wage gap. We shouldn't be fighting for a wage where
families can live off one income Yeah, no kidding. If we all got
on the same page, but the power structure doesn't want that.
That's why I said this is world war three and it's being fought
in the kitchens and living rooms and bedrooms inside the homes.
When you say the power structure doesn't want that. I had
what what don't that what for what reason does the power
structure not want that
All right, here's my theory. It just my theory. Okay, after
World War Two, and we heard some of this on the show, black man
came back from World War Two wanting to have a piece of
American Pie, right? Because it was to be had I mean, we had the
spoils of war going into the 1950s. That was like the ideal
American time, minus the right stuff minus the right stuff,
just American life, when you watch American television, you
know, you had two cars and the white picket fence and the two
and a half kids, you know, everything, which is perfect,
right? What did that lead to the 1960s, where you had the
generation of free thinkers? And they said, No, we can't have
that anymore. We need to keep everybody so stressed,
financially and otherwise, that they can't produce free
thinkers.
Is that crazy? No, no, I did not at all.
Not at all. So I think that was the problem, like and they
looked in the 60s like, Oh, this is what prosperity breeds. But
you know, what's your free thinkers? Training Camp,
but it's pretty short sighted this current strategy, but I
guess they're certainly in power and politics. Everything is
short sighted. It's a short cycle. And yeah, I
mean, because they're gonna prop anyway. And I mean, they just,
they're too big to lose. I mean, not you not to use a cliche, but
they really are too big to lose. So I mean, it's not about
profits, then it's about control, right? Yes, no, yeah.
And
desperate, desperate men, desperate times Desperate
Measures, and all in full in chop away.
And speaking of control, wanted to control mechanisms is well,
Jason speaks on that and Whitlock to
again, you got to social media is not the real world. In my
view, that is a world controlled by Silicon Valley, and how white
liberals and other liberal activists, how they want us to
be perceived, is what social media is particularly Twitter,
and the whole Black Twitter phenomenon that they created.
That perception that there's a Black Twitter, and that Black
Twitter has a monolithic liberal voice. That's a creative thing.
Yeah, for sure. I mean, I'm in I'm in great Twitter. And I see
that I see a lot of interesting conversations, certainly not a
lot of agreement. That's I don't see one big block, but that is
what it can be perceived as and shaped as and called for sure.
And this is the council culture. This is the control mechanism
that we were speaking about how you can basically control
people's thoughts. Yeah, in a way, it's like, when it doesn't
fly on Twitter, you'll start to self censor, it's like, oh,
that's, that's not trending, or this is trending. Oh, this is
trending. Now I need to recap
exactly, even better than that is. And this is just my view of
what I call the machine. But you know, if you can get and you
just as you said, you try this No, didn't work. Get this, oh, I
got something going global. He, I'm trending now. And then how
can I get it to spill over onto cable television? That happens,
you know, then it's great, because then the whole machine
goes, then the clips are put on Twitter. And then it's just a
perpetual motion, just a cycle that goes over and over again,
and can get really strong like a cyclone.
And we've seen this because Miss Loni Love statement. You can go
on Twitter and find this statement anywhere. It's just
that it's become so comfortable on social media. Now it's being
said for public consumption across the airwaves. Right. But
my biggest thing was the lack of apology, then that means in the
place where illegal gets called for everything. Right? had to
say about this.
Yeah, and I don't think you're obviously I don't think you're
like personally outraged and offended, but you're looking at
the facts of it. No apology requested. Okay, this is
messaging.
My point exactly. My feelings weren't hurt at all. I mean,
like, they can keep mommy whoever, whatever. But
dude, I think I think it's punishment enough. You got to
watch the real. I mean, that's pretty harsh.
Yeah, yeah. That's hard. Oh, but it's not only on social media
that the powers that be they were as we refer to them, um,
lovely. They want to control other forms of entertainment.
And that's lit Whitlock 3.1.
He's already said something about masculinity a few times.
You referenced it right now. The NFL is a very masculine sport,
is it not?
Without question? It's the most men esculin thing in pop
culture, and it's the most powerful thing in pop culture
are this sort of sort of effort underway to email escalate NFL
players, black NFL players,
they love black, the NFL, is the largest showcase of black
masculinity we've ever seen in America. It's the most popular
show on Fox, ESPN, ABC, NBC and CBS. That's five television
networks that the NFL is the number one show on that's
unprecedented in pop culture that's unprecedented in
television history. And so and it's a showcase of black male
masculinity. And I just don't think some people are
comfortable with that. Oh,
I know a couple things. But man, if they start to mess with most
football, man now and it gets a it is gonna get personal.
They already have. And that's that was the thing with the
Colin Kaepernick thing. Course it was about discordantly
Discordian ism. It was about okay, if we go push this agenda
and then Western, as I've said before, we're always the first
through the door, the race thing is always the first to the door.
And then we're left holding the door for everyone. So if it's
Colin Kaepernick thing flies, then we the doors open, you
know, we can wedge everything else and attack the most
masculine thing in American pop culture as Whitlock said, and
it's the biggest television show go it's number one. Oh, tell it
TVs? Yeah. Number one on five stations Biden? No. By landslide
you know, um, so that was that we're seeing it start to
it's the beginning of the end.
Well, I think that was the that was the flag was planning. It
was like, No, you're not going to touch my NFL. Not because of
some self righteous thing. I think men that's our only escape
left is sports. Right? NFL being the biggest mental escape.
Because when you work a nine to 540 hours a week. Saturday's
meant for the family, and Sunday's meant for my football.
Now I'm just telling you the average American of course
that's American as apple pie.
I'm not out of touch mo I know
give you just give you some perspective. Little inside
baseball. I'm here we go. black churches. And our schedule
around football.
Oh, this is good. This is true inside baseball. And we're
talking football. This is a good one. I like it. This is I did
not realize i Okay. All right.
Black church really starts at 10 3011 o'clock right am but on
Super Bowl Sunday. Well, no. 1245 you're looking at your
watch. You're looking at the pastor. kickoff.
And the pastor's looking back going. I know kickoffs at one.
Right. Normally there's a cop. I mean, the people usually
congregate outside and chat and y'all in no not not doing
football season. It's like wow. Perspective. My dad used to
drive a separate car
to leave early
to leave on time now he will leave early. It's a good story.
tell you how powerful Oh yeah, no, I get it. Oh, football is
symbolic of war. I mean, it gets the juices going.
And I want to remind people who are listening because you know
you and I just shooting the shit with each other but there are
people listening. Whenever most says inside baseball, pay
attention. That's that's time to take it off. 1.5 times speed
slow it down to one because you're gonna learn something. I
love this one good nugget. Mo.
Yeah, so I mean, just that was hands off. And that's why you
saw such a push back not only among white males, but black
males. It's like, do you mess with my football? We went too
far. Yep. Not boycott football. Are you crazy? I mean, that was
a real sentiment. But I digress. And we'll let Jason continue on
toxic masculinity.
And I think if you look at our society as a whole, there's an
attack on masculinity. They say there's an attack on toxic
masculinity. I say there's an attack just on masculinity and
you Arrow and football in terms of pop culture is the head of
the snake. And yeah, I think football is under attack for
those political reasons wow
what is the goal to be masculine? It's such a masculine
sport. So we should we start playing flag football? Well,
I think there's a group a part of society that has decided that
men are the cause of all problems in the world. And let's
say that's true. But she also got to give men credit for the
good things in the world if they get all the blame for everything
where all the credit for everything that's good and so
don't try to well the bad things are all on your own we got to
the good things are on uh
you know, I
I'm a little torn because I thought it was just the white
guys who were the problem and I you know, and I was kind of
bearing the brunt of that and you know, now I got to share it
with you Oh, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, well, this is not
discussed. This is not discussed or well known.
We're about to get into the what is the victim Olympics here?
We've been dealing with this for so long it's just like it's not
you're just seeing you right now. And our Stephen A Smith
says something and it's not exactly correct. But it's
catching the way he says he says when I'm when white people get a
cold black people get the flu? I think that's how he says it. Oh,
and whenever you see your problem cropping up. Where the
what is the thing I slips my called the lead the lead
indicator? Yeah. canary in the coal mine? Yes, Black Pete black
people in general. And black men in this case are the lead
indicator. Pay attention what's going on here?
i Oh, believe me I am. Even if I don't like football, I get it. I
see the problem. I see it.
This, this is the lead indicator of well, okay, I'll let Jason
Whitlock explain it new leadership,
the world and there's an element of the world that wants to usher
in a new leadership, female leadership across the world.
It's the time for man has passed in their mind. And so again, if
there's going to be an attack on any group, black people are
going to be the first people to get back. And so I feel like I
know why guys will disagree with this, because I hear him crying
all the time. They feel like they're under the hardest
attack. And I'm like, Man, y'all don't even know.
Really. So now I get attacked by my fellow man. Because I did
exactly the same thing. All right. Well, you know what,
thank you, MO. Thanks for bringing this because I was
truly bigoted in thinking that yeah, this is just the white man
who was hated. And now it turns out to get to share. Yeah. And,
and, and learn. Maybe there's a couple of tips, maybe there's a
few things that you've already witnessed, experienced and
learned that you can pass on.
That's why we're doing this show. No, I
know. And I'm just leading when I'm
just saying what I'm what I'm saying. Is this, this, this
specific show, that's why we're doing it because there is a war
going on. You might not have been drafted yet. You might have
not on the front lines yet. But there is definitely. And I
think, for older people, and whilst the older my age and
older, we don't experience it as much because we went through the
mating ritual. Yes. And a different time.
No, I'm definitely, definitely removed from from this for sure.
But the younger people, I'd say 30 and under, they are going
through this and it's man, I would not want to be single now.
And I know that sounds weird, because most people Oh, man, if
I could do it, oh, no. I don't. I would not want to have the
date and Miss environment because it's the environment
itself is toxic. It's not the masculinity. It's the
interaction between the two sexes this toxic
there's a lot going on for sure.
Yes. But as we always do, we have to go back and say where
did this come from? Yes. Oh, What was the source of it? So I
did a little digging. This is on Brooklyn TV, a television show
called BK live, and it discusses black radical feminists over the
years.
I mean, the women in this exhibition, many of them were
part of organizations that were, you know, quote unquote,
mainstream feminists, they were in dialogue, I don't at all want
to create the impression that this was like a deep schism and
there was no interaction because in fact, the model that I would
use that Katherine and I, my co curator come up with is much
more of a Venn diagrams, like some of these people appear in
so many different places, they would maybe be involved with MS
magazine, which was founded by Gloria Steinem and Letty
typography in a very kind of mainstream feminist publication.
But you know, Faith Ringgold appears in that publication.
Alice Walker was an editor Toni Morrison wrote many kinds of our
iconic figures black woman feminists appeared in that
publication. Hmm.
Well, yes, I know it's coming. When you mentioned Gloria
Steinem. I think we brought it up on the show before, haven't
we?
Yes, and it's this is these next to clip a throwback clips, but
we have to do it for perspective. And just to really
well, as the lady said, on the last clip, Miss magazine has MS
magazine, and employ a ton of black feminist in the era of the
1970s 1980s. And these women went into gone to be the
pinnacle of black feminism. And it had a source which is Gloria
Steinem. But Gloria Steinem had an interesting connection.
GLORIA at the festival, you worked for the independent
research service. Club, exactly, when
did your own association with the CIA start and in what
fashion they come to you or to do go to them? In 1958, when I
came home from, from India, I discussed with student leaders
past and present, many of them active with the National Student
Association, this kind of small foundation to encourage
Americans to go, they thought it was a good idea to I was then
told by foundations and professors and friends, that it
that I should not do this, that I would get in trouble with
house on American Activities Committee, the American Legion,
all of those 50 people. And I became convinced that it was
impossible. It was at that point that the student leaders said to
me that they had in the past received funds for international
programs from the CIA, and that they felt that this was
important and could also be partly funded by the CIA. I
know there's such a philanthropic organization,
those CIA guys, we just feel it's good. Don't worry. It's
good work.
So Gloria, she's obviously connected to the, the CIA,
but I love how she when I came back from India, I was
approached by the CIA, things that don't happen to most
people. It's I came back from India.
Right? And it's just that, but what you will have to what most
people will believe and even I brought this up with my mother.
And she didn't even know this. And disparate perspective. My
mom came up through the bra burning era. She actually
participated in that mindset, which made me interested in
dinner conversations between her and my father, which was,
Oh, I'm sure he was not. Yeah, not super stoked about it.
No, when I told her this, she was like, what I was like, Yeah,
most she didn't
know I'm saying like she didn't know about the CIA connection to
the
very little people know about this connection. Wow.
And she was shocked. Did she feel like she probably had been
a bit manipulated once once you told her that?
Yes. Yes, um, because these women that were listed in the
previous clip, were icons for women her age, just like they're
even icons for women. In present day, they still selling their
books. They're still getting speaking engagements.
Well, Jane Fonda still has an active career. She was a part of
the of the gang back then.
Exactly. So it's just that they created these icons, to
basically mislead are pushing the agenda. So let's just get
into part two of this clip,
particular points of view to put forward which would have been
much much more restricting than then the CIA funds were which
were free. I mean, no one was told what to say.
I mean, they were free. You mean to say it was easier for you to
win worked for the CIA that a private?
That's right. That's right. And and the reason that I think that
comes as a surprise is it did to me at the time. I mean, I had
the conventional liberals view of the CIA of right wing
incendiary group. And I was amazed to discover, said this
was far from the case that they were enlightened, liberal,
nonpartisan, activists of the sort who characterized the
Kennedy administration, for instance. Wow,
I played that clip just to let people all people say, Oh, CIA,
that's when you think CI you think American Dad, you know,
that prototype. But these were very liberal thinking people
that was passing around funds do to propagate their ideologies.
With that said, One name that wasn't mentioned in the rundown
of the radical black feminist was Michele Wallace. Have you
heard of Michele Wallace before?
Yes, this name rings a bell. We talked about her before on the
show.
a smidge it a smidgen. But it's she's very important to this
narrative where we had yet okay. Michele Wallace. She is best
known for her 1979 book, black macho and the myths of the super
woman.
Oh, yeah. Okay. And this is
like one of the feminist Bibles for modern day third wave
feminist. So it says here, I'm just going off the wiki here, it
just says the macho black macho, was published in 1979. It
criticized sexism in the black community and black nationalism
in the 1960s. Remember, we had a show about Black Nationalism
when what Malcolm X was talking about, we need to be self
sufficient. And all of a sudden, here comes this woman with this
book. Basically, tearing it down in a way she called it called
demand hypermasculine hyper sexualized, in orange, really
strong black women unfit that's what the Superwoman was, that
wasn't in order in order only strong black woman unfazed by
white racism, which is weird, because I don't want to get
ahead of myself.
Well, while you were talking, I'm listening. And I'm also
looking through some of her career and I'm getting a much
better picture of Miss Wallace here.
I think the reason why she is lost to history. She is really
her her work is out there, but her herself is lost to history.
And the reason why I say that is they have no problem with the
black macho part. But the Superwoman part is actually a
archetype now. Right? Beyonce? Yes, an orderly strong black
woman unfazed by white racism. Right. Which, what brings to
mind to me is scandal. Olivia Pope. Hmm? Oh, like say Beyonce,
Oprah Michelle Obama. Yeah, I
mean, there's lots of lots of super women.
Right? So I think they embrace the Superwoman part. So they
didn't want to say the myth of the super warming. So I think
that's like kind of got a slider to the side. And there were
other reasons that we'll get into but, um, this is getting to
the bio Miss Michelle Wallace.
Oh, she became famous in 1979 when at 27, she published the
book Black macho, and the myth of the super woman, a book in
which she criticized black nationalism and sexism. She
completed her PhD in 1999 at NYU and cinema studies. Her topic
for a dissertation was passing lynching and Jim Crow, US visual
culture 1895 to 1927, in which she wrote extensively about
early film, including Uncle Tom's Cabin, Birth of a Nation
and the silent films of Oscar mushroom. She's written a ton of
books, her own books, but also she's been the editor of
multiple values. She is a prep Professor currently at City
College, New York and where she teaches every semester and this
semester in the fall semester, she will be teaching a course on
Toni
Morrison. So that's her bio. And I know you guys like oh minute
sound quality's horrible. Well, When I went to go deep with Miss
Michelle Wallace, the only interview I could find her on
YouTube was some lady in her kitchen, interviewing her
on Skype or something. Yeah, I could hear the did Yeah. Yeah.
I know you were like, your audio file. So like, what the hell?
But I mean that Well, that's it. So there's no she she's been
marginalized. She's been
whitewashed Dare I say I'm D White, all
white ball. So, but that's weird. It's like the mother of
this book that was so poor. And it was pivotal. Not not and I'll
get it wrong. It was two books. We're going to discuss in that
time period. This being the first one. She admits she made
the cover Miss magazine. That was a it was a huge thing.
Yes, so do I. So she's, she's basically just, just not doesn't
I mean, if you don't exist on YouTube, do you exist at all
really?
Is zactly if you don't have a body, I mean, because everybody
has VHS tapes. They're uploading and yeah, I mean, listen to some
of the things we put on the show that were captured in, you know,
the most obscure places. And this is modern day. I mean,
think that interview May was like two or three years old.
You're Skyping with
me, she was also essence magazine's editor at large and
83. Uh, huh. columnist for The Village Voice in the mid 90s. I
mean, this is this is a published, she's published. But
even this stuff is like, oh, that's, I guess the, you know,
and all because of the myths of the Superwoman part. Probably.
That's what I assume. And there's other reasons that we'll
get into. She's
been really been canceled, like, for real? Yeah.
Buried, buried in buried by history. But let's get into her
legacy.
So what do you want your legacy to be? Because, you know,
everything is changing, but the work and the significance of
your work is not changing your work is still significant, if
not more than it was 2025 30 years ago. So what would you
like for your legacy to be?
Well, I don't know. It saddens me somewhat that black macho, is
still so deeply relevant for young black women. I mean, for a
long time, I was in denial about that. You know, what could you
all possibly know about what this was like? But apparently,
it's still going on?
And that sends me. Have you had a chance to read the book?
Manage No. Mo? Have you come across it?
No, I haven't came. I'm actually going to order a copy.
I'm thinking I want to read this. Yeah,
I actually do, too. I do too. I mean, I've saw numerous videos
of people discussing the book and the impact it would have had
on him, but I would like to read it for myself. No, I just gotta
gotta find a time. I mean, just to be honest with you. But yeah,
but at the same time. Oh, so she got lost in history. And I
couldn't find anything else about her. I dug deep,
deep now. I know eaten you do you research? No, no, there's no
doubt about that. No doubt, no doubt.
Interesting. But while digging for her, and clips on her, I
found this clip and just to say to people take this speaker with
a grain of salt, but the content I have verified.
In 1978, Gloria Steinem put a book called Black macho and the
myth of the super woman on the cover of MS magazine. The book
was written by a black feminist and activist named Michelle
Wallace, who came out of nowhere. Wallace was in her
early 20s At the time, as she was being touted as the leader
of black feminism. In the book Wallace called abolitionists
like Harriet Tubman and Sojourner Truth, ugly and stupid
for supporting Black men. She called Black revolutionaries
chauvinist macho pigs and advise black women to go it alone.
Gloria Steinem said that Wallace his book would define the future
of black relationships, and she pushed hard to make sure the
book received massive publicity. Gloria Steinem's work triggered
a flood of hate black men books and films that continues to this
date. Needless to say, some are quite suspicious of MS magazine
and Gloria Steinem. Why was Steinem sticking her nose into
the affairs of the black community? So people started
doing some research and stardom when it came out that Gloria
Steinem was probably the ghost writer of the book with Michele
Wallace. His name on it was had a nervous breakdown and went
into hiding for two years.
Oh, well, you are keeping this from me nice. Let's be very hard
when I asked these questions, you already know what's coming
up next. Oh, this is great. I had no idea about this. My mom
was a big Gloria Steinem fan. I mean, she now I got to what do I
have 15 years on you? 10
I think she was icon for a lot of women. I mean, if you just
take it at face value, as we take all the leaders, you know,
um, you could say the same thing for me. Okay, whoever else, we
don't understand the powers that are behind them, that are
propelling them on the TV screen being what training is now. So
to be on an front page of a popular magazine, that's kind of
like trending number one on Twitter now, oh, in a way,
but also Ms. Magazine, a black feminist, and certainly in that
time, and it must have been phenomenal. And it's
interesting, because everything that that I heard here would
work perfectly in today's world, except for you know, the myth of
the Superwoman, of course, but maybe they can do an abridged
version of the book. Yeah. No myth.
Yeah. Yes. Except it. It's like, yeah, no, you don't understand
it. But I am this I am Superwoman. Yes. Yeah. So there
we have it. Seems that she was backed by some nefarious agenda.
Well, worse. This is claiming that that she was a phony, even
that this book was written indirectly by the CIA.
And you wonder if you wrote a killer book, you should be able
to at least maintain a career as a writer. I'm not saying you
mean, lightning long strike. Once you know, it never strikes
twice. But you should be able to at least maintain it how other
works. They'd be writing some stuff. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, that
would at least, you know, keep your momentum going. But she
just disappeared.
Now. What would the benefit be? For the for the powers that be
to do this? So if the CIA is supporting, is supporting this
indirectly, or actually quite directly through Gloria Steinem,
who may or may not have written it, but certainly promoted it?
What is the agenda is the agenda again, just control. It's still
controlling, we
hang with me now. I'm here. Yeah, I'm no, no, no, I'm going
to ask you a question. But I want you to think about it as in
then and now. Okay. Okay, we're gonna go a couple few shows back
when Malcolm X was talking about black people were not voting.
And because that was black nationalism, right, not voting
and door for ourselves and having our own thing. And then
she comes out with this book attacking black nationalism. Oh,
if a white person says Black Nationalism is bad, that doesn't
really do anything. You know, I mean, it's like, yeah, of
course. It's bad. I mean, it's not it's not good for you.
Second point. Gloria Steinem. She says she was surprised by
what made up the CIA, you would think it'd be the super
conservative organization. But it was really a large group of
liberal thinking people.
Right, right. Right. Right. Right. Right. So
if Malcolm X says the Liberals are the problem,
gotcha.
That you've been voting for. He's got to go. And his ideology
has to go with them. Because you mean you can kill the man. But
the bigger thing is killing the ideology now. Now getting your
time machine and come to 2020. All right, you can see while the
black male patriarchy is under attack, again, because the black
male patriarchy is loosely based in black nationalism in a way.
And it's weird because you hear white nationalist, right.
I was gonna say it's like, if I called you a black nationalist,
that would make me a white nationalist. By default, you
know, I'm saying, Yeah, it's
really funny. And we're equal. We're equal and then the same
people.
Yeah, except I could get stoned to death for saying it.
Yeah, well, it's the same sentiment towards me. Of course,
no court. No, of course. No, of course, global good national
bad, but it's holy crap. You know, most of
it actually is a government plot. We're not We're not. We're
not conspiracy theorists. We're not just paranoid. They're
actually out to get us. Yes. I'm here to warn you. Thank you.
Thanks. Just in time.
All right, so um, where are we at? Okay, so for every polar
that needs to be a polar opposite, thank you. And this in
this same time, there was a lady named Shirzad i Li, and she
wrote a book, a very pivotal book. Let me find the name of
it. Very inflammatory book. Also, the black Man's Guide to
Understanding the black woman. It was for this book, it was
written in 1989. So that's, what 10 years later because as you
heard the man, the speaker before say, Michele Wallace will
set off a bunch of blackmail hate writing. So national one.
I remember her I know you do. Well, also I was working in New
York and then we're where our studios were was Donahue and
Sally, Jessy Raphael. Maybe that's not Donahue, I think is a
good example. And who's the other? The one who married
Connie Chung, Maury, Maury Povich. She made Yes, yeah. I
recognize that the head gear, like oh, yeah, I remember her.
very iconic.
She got she got like a lightning bolt. Yeah, yes. I was like,
African Queen thing going on there. Yeah.
Where she was hated. But let's listen to her. Geraldo,
understandably created a firestorm of controversy within
the black community. And we have assembled a distinguished group
to debate its premise. And its message basically, that the
black woman is responsible for most of what ails the black
community. Now, before we get into what promises to be a
passionate debate, I'd like to introduce you to Debbie
Mitchell, the CO producer of this program. Debbie, I want to
start. I know it's unusual. But I want to start with two
questions to you the producer of the program. First of all, what
do you think about the basic premise of the book that the
black woman is responsible for most of what ails the black
community? First of
all, black men and black women knows that the black community
is under strange right now. And for Shahara Zod, a black woman
to basically attack Black women. I think that she's putting
blame. It seems like she's putting blame on them for the
state of the situation.
Are you frightened by this book? I mean, are people reading it?
Yeah, people are reading it is specifically the younger black
males. I see a lot of them on the trains when I'm coming into
where they're at their heads are glued to the book, and it's
scary.
It's scary airy. Okay, I didn't use much from that show for
Harada. Except that introduction. That was the
introduction. That's how the show started off. Right. Even he
said is unusual. So you bring a guest on you don't let detail
what you think the book is about. And you don't let the
guest speak and you go to your block producer producer. Say
this is kind of unusual, but I don't want to ask you two
questions about this book that we haven't even talked about
yet. That's not strange at all. Well, of course. Yeah. So they
went in which she made the rounds. That's what she got all
malerkotla Watch pretty much all of them, Geraldo, and they just
said, Donahue. The 3d Head on YouTube was Geraldo Donahue and
it was another one I can't remember.
What's her deal? What is her background? Who Where does she
come in from what? Well, her
background is she's uh, she wrote several books. He's an
author. This was her biggest book by far. She has come from
the teachings of the Nation of Islam. Just to give you some
perspective of her ideology, but yeah, it's, well, the thing I
did, I kept digging. And I found this obscure interview she had
with WFURWF su in 1991, which was like it's kind of like a
public access channel. And she was seeing now what this black
contemporary kind of professional female, so it was
like, okay, it was a good it was a good long form interview. And
let's get it to clip one from that segment
refused to give and that led me to try to find out you know,
we've always heard that the black man leaves the black
family abandons his woman and children won't take care of the
children won't work, stays out all night turns into a drunk
takes drugs. Now we've heard a lot of negative things. Most of
them are true, but I wanted to find out what happens before he
gets to that point. What leads up to the breakdown, we've never
gone back to try to find out what happens in the relationship
between the black man and a black woman that makes him go
off and do all of these bad things. To assume that this is
just normal natural behavior for black men would be to assume
that he is naturally bad. And I do not believe that the man that
God gave to us as a mate is a naturally bad person. And so I
wanted to try to examine what goes on with him. What's his
side of story that
asked you to write this book?
Oh, no, no, no, certainly not. I think they were just as
surprised as black when many of them approached the title of the
book with a little apprehension, because they have not had a
champion. We have never had a black woman who actually stood
up and said, I'm standing up for the black man side of the story.
We know what our side is. And both sides are true. We have
done some very dreadful things to each other. And I don't
exonerate black men, which is kind of a misconception that
people have, I just say that we know his side. What about our
side, and we do have a side.
So that if you listen to the Geraldo clip, she's attacking
black women, and
I know it was very different was was.
Now, two things I want to say first thing, some of the things
in her book are very inflammatory. I'm not going to
poopoo it and that like she, you're saying, No, some of the
but I wanted to break perspective. So people can see,
even in the 19, late 1980s, you had people saying, Hey, there's
this divide is going on? And it's, you're saying it's very
problematic for the black community? Yeah,
what are you doing?
And we might want to start looking at both sides, which is
okay, you can say black men leave their kids and they're
drunks and they're drug addicts is
a generalization, white men, you know, get drunk and beat their
wives and beat their children. I mean, that's also a
generalization.
This is true, but it's okay to say that every the whole world
could say that about black men. They don't take care of the
kids. I mean, it's like it's, it's a it's expected. If you
tell in a, if you tell somebody you gotta dance, like, Oh,
really? Like, okay, hold on,
hold on. So that's, that's with black Americans. That's the
word. That's the general thinking. Is that what you're
telling me? Or you said the whole world is everybody.
Yes, the whole world is everybody. Because that's the
narrative. That's all you see. Maury has made a mint off of the
paternity test game show. Let's be honest here. Yeah.
Okay. No, you. Absolutely. That that was probably the Maury
Povich show, in particular, probably set black America back
by 20 years, just by that constant or let's not put it
back, but held it at a standstill in the 90s with that
bullcrap, mind you. Holy crap that was entertaining to watch.
But you're right. It was pretty much all black women doing it?
Yeah. Your Damn man. Ricki Lake. Yeah, another another final
season. Sorry, man. You know, he won't do anything. So.
Oh, well, it was. It was it was the paternity test, in
particular that wow. Yeah, you're right. And that just that
just exacerbated it? Oh, wow. never even thought about steel
goes on and still go. I tell people this all the time. About
and this is another great function of the show. If I'm a
white person, and I only watch broadcast television only
broadcasts I don't buy cable. This is where I get local news.
Black people do something bad. Then you go to your daytime
television, Jerry Maury. Steve what it will go Jerry Springer.
You know, black people don't take you black men don't take
care of the kids, black men. You know, these images I'm showing
all day. And then local New come on again. Right. Local news goes
off. I might get a family feud with Steve Harvey how he's
wanting to get black guys. And then law Law Order. Black man
killed somebody. Sounds like
a Dave jam packed full of fine entertainment mo
it's very it's very entertaining, but it's also
saturating your mental and if you don't have interactions with
real black people, that's the mentality that You have so much
so that even black people start to believe this. It's like, Oh,
yes. And then it becomes common like you asked before about
television where these thought processes come from it enters
through the television. We we've heard that on the previous shows
about no man house, what they say the kids locked into
projects, their only window out was what the television right?
Well, I find I am so fortunate that I was able to find one of
the few black men who was a stable family and is married and
has a mom and a dad and a job a job. I don't you may be dealing
drugs, but I'm not sure I think you have a real job as I'm
searching to take care of my kids.
Oh, no.
Just keeps on going.
How How was it possible? I don't know. Have
you done the 23andme this? I should have this kid to yours. I
just want to check.
right or am I'm sure I'm black.
Well, we had that question the other day. That was my case.
That was fantastic. On Twitter. We had seemed me it was just
trolling kind of but the guys like I liked the show, but I'm
not so sure most black and I don't want to have two white
guys talking about black issues. And most like Okay, right. But
then the guy fine. He then he posted a video of himself he
just adorable. I get I get you. But did you ask yourself? Was
that a picture? I don't I've never seen you. Is that a
picture of you?
That you posted? No,
that's what I thought Moza handsome guys had not. I can't.
It's not possible with
that. Oh, and it's not that I'm hiding. It's just that one. I
don't even take selfies. I think that's the most vague.
You don't you don't have to qualify yourself to anybody. No,
no, no, no.
That's the other thing. I mean, the more you double down on it,
the more bullheaded like that, so it ain't gonna work.
But, but to cue we say hello, we know you're listening. We know
you're here.
Yes, we know you're here. Thank you for joining us. So but
here's the problem. Go back to the Geraldo clip. What the lady
say I'll see him on the train the young black man's head
buried in his book. Well, Miss jars, i Lee has had a
reemergence on social media being YouTube, oh, black men,
black men are going through that same cycle again. It's like
what's going on? This is new, the old is new again. Yeah. And
she's getting speaking engagements and propagating her
message. But let's get back to exactly what their message is.
And clip two,
in saying all of this and as calling yourself a champion and
having if I may say the courage to write this book, and standby,
you've caused a stir this book is very controversial. What are
you hearing from public reaction? Well,
I don't think that it's an issue among black women about whether
or not the book is true or not the issues that I was not
supposed to tell. These are inside secrets and things that
we have never let our men know about. And many times we what is
that? We say? He can't handle me? Well, many times he can
handle us because he doesn't know what it is he's trying to
handle. He doesn't understand what motivates us. We have
become very adept, many of us as being able to do something right
in front of his eyes and then convince him that that's not
what he really saw at all. And that it didn't happen. That
we've been kind of confused. Excuse
me. Wow. What is that called? There's a term for it.
I call it psychological abuse.
Now, it's a it's a specific term used by MK Ultra. No, I'm gonna
give it to you yet, please. And you may want to listen to it
again. Maybe 30 It lasts 30 seconds in the clip. Okay,
gaslighting.
Oh, yeah, I've never used that term. Yes, of course. That's
exactly the
technical, the technical term, not not the way people use it
now. But the technical term of gaslighting is what she
explained
is exactly what you said. Yeah. Well, let me just in the last,
let's it's worth listening to us. 30 said,
he can't handle me. Well, many times he can't handle us because
he doesn't know what it is he's trying to handle. He doesn't
understand what motivates us. We have become very adept, many of
us as being able to do something right in front of his eyes and
then convince him that that's not what he really saw. And that
it didn't happen. We've been kind of confused. Excuse
me. Wow. was famous for that tactic.
Well, it was It wasn't supposed to be Donald Trump. No, yes.
He's intelligence agencies. That's what they do.
Oops. Yeah. That I'm also seeing You're right, she is having a
resurgence. She's back everywhere. She's only she's
only 65. So she's got a lot of spunk left to enter.
This year she does this
herb clip, this will be an important clip that the gospel
will just call it the gaslighting clip. That'll be an
important one.
So when somebody tell you, yeah, you did someone saying I didn't
do that. But what I just saw you just give for people that don't
know what gaslighting is, when you do something, then you act
like you didn't do it. And it confuses the person, their
senses. And it's like, where did it where was that behavior learn
from? Was that attack that passed down? Who knows, but it's
just she said it. I didn't say it. She said I just pointed it
out
the term just because it's nice to know. The term gaslighting
originated from a play in 1938 called gaslight in which a
character tries to make his wife believe. And this is
interesting, because that's why I probably wouldn't have come up
with gaslighting because traditionally, it's seen as
something men do to women. The character tries to make his wife
believe she's gone insane to cover his own criminal activity.
When he turns up the gas fueled lights in the upstairs apartment
in order to search for a murdered woman's jewels, the gas
lights in his own apartment grow dimmer, but he convinces his
wife, she's just imagining the change. That's where the term
gaslighting comes from.
Thank you for that little tip, because I didn't know where the
source of it came from. I just know it was a popular tactic. It
helps to
remember when you read these things I find once you've read
the etymology, then it helps.
Yeah, I won't forget that. I mean, it'll stick with me, but
that's what she just described. And now you have a man that's
confused. And you say Das. Let's not use the word. Man. What a
man typically do is does to a woman, let's say the dominant
party does to the subservient party. Yeah. Yeah, they flipped
the genders in our in our in our race, hello.
Spin, spin and yeah. Clip three.
In your book, you say that we are not bringing up our
daughters and our sons in a correct manner to respect their
father. No,
we're not. Unfortunately, as I say, since money has been used
as the measure. Many times if a black man does not have money to
give us, we won't even let him see his children. We won't let
him spend any time with it because he does not give us
whatever the child support is. And I'm not saying that we don't
need money to raise a child. But I tried to explain to black
women that raising a child consists of much more than
feeding clothing and sheltering it that's maintaining one to
raise one you need to return to the parental coalition of the
father and the mother to put the proper vase into the child. Many
of our boys, when we raise them alone, they grow up with the
female emotional mechanism. They are are suspicious, they are
doubtful. They're disrespectful of womanhood, they're bitchy,
they can't make a decision. In many of our girls who grew up in
a home where there is no man present, they go out into the
world and try to meet, they don't have any idea how to live
with a man day to day how to prepare a proper meal, how to be
a mother how to just be in love in the home, most of what our
people and our children especially have learned about
how you have a relationship, they learned off television, and
television doesn't represent our needs. And so a lot of the
confusion has come, you know, from outside agencies that we
have not recognized how detrimental it has been to us as
a people.
Yeah, TV is screwed everybody over but this is in this this
topic in particular. And then I and I, we're not done yet. But
for me, the takeaway is really going to be the DNA tests on the
Jerry Springer show and Maury Povich that it how destructive
that was. And all we did is sat there and laughed our asses off.
And there's two things that happened in the 19. I want to
say 90s That really changed. Paternity. And, and the jaw,
drug culture. One. And these were these were they were these
are seismic events. One you just mentioned the DNA test, because
before a father could just get up. I'm going to get a pack of
cigarettes. You never see him again. Right? Right. He didn't
have to take care of his kids that would that was like the
running. Black comedian joke. I'm a dad wouldn't you're sick
of cigarettes. I ain't seen him since and you know, that was the
thing. Right? But when DNA came about, now you which I think is
a great thing I have. I have three daughters. If anybody was
the father of children by one of them, I would want them to be
held responsible to take care of their their responsibilities.
But what it did was now Oh, as leverage is leveraged, it's
like, okay, I can prove you're the father. I go to court. We
spoke about this on other show. And then it made family court a
two.
Oh, no, I never watched that. But there's another one another,
the next piece of the puzzle, Family Court,
brother family court is now referred to as a collection
agency. And it's like, if you don't have my money, you won't
see the kids. And most of the time is not based off the kids
is based off of one party still wants to be with the other
party. And that party doesn't want to be with them. So I'm
gonna make your life hard. Yeah. As we heard, he's calling me
what's called weaponizing. The children right.
Now just met, can I go off on a tangent, little 32nd tangent
here? Oh, the drug culture. The drug culture used to date and be
violent. It was, okay. If I get caught with whatever drug XYZ,
whatever it is. I'll go do my two, three years and not come
home. Right. So when they started giving mandatory
minimums, 20 years, that's when it became violent. Yes, the time
is now the die. Yeah, you have to die because you can cause me
20 years in the federal penitentiary. I'm just going to
show you how these small changes in legal well as this is it had
ripple effects.
Yeah, well, and in general, these types of policies
decisions, like we've talked before, with, with busing to
schools, but the same could be said for the Federal Reserve and
their monetary policy. Guess what, these fuckers have no
clue. No one knows. We don't know what the unintended
consequences are. You just don't know. You can only learn from
the mistake. And I think, as we're learning here, a lot has
been learned from from these mistakes. Sadly, it seems like
they're going to be reimplemented for the same
political power games and gain and maybe even modernized to a
degree.
Well, luckily, Family Court hats change significantly. Because as
we as I said before, when we get when, when you get a call, we
get the flu. So now we've seen other races of men get drugged
through family court. It's like, oh, now we need to make a
change. Well, we've been dealing with this for I mean, and mostly
it's poor men. Because I mean, I'll say this last thing and
we'll go to the next clip. Donald Trump has worked five
baby mamas. Yeah, for baby mamas, yes. Something like that.
None of them have said anything bad about him. Because he can
provide. Yeah. So that goes to show you when you have the money
in the means you can't weaponize paternity against the man. Just
this just to point that out. But um, just get back on the TV show
daytime TV show. Wave. There's one guy that I love. And his
name is Mr. Judge Joe Brown. And he did an episode on unscripted,
scone TV unscripted. That podcast that I would just love
to share with you guys.
So let's talk about emasculation. Yeah, who is
behind it?
Right now, I would say that two people have been propagandized
for 50 year period. And a lot of people who don't even realize it
are behind it. The Nazis studied American movies in the American
movie industry, and they said they've got it going on with
propaganda. That propaganda used to be about doing the right
thing for the right reasons. What happened if you didn't
sometimes when you did the right thing, the nobility of suffering
the consequences for doing the right thing or the economy of
suffering the consequences for doing the wrong thing they were
laid out. So they took the American propaganda engine and
they refined it and they developed a precept that is very
evident today. Tell a lie long enough loud enough and you can
get anyone to believe it.
That's the whole self Global's propaganda that's not how you
pronounce the name. We all know Hold on a second. Let me go to
the Reverend owl for the Connect correct pronunciation of what I
would say is Goebbels. But here's Al Sharpton. Gurgel and
the third, right Yes. Gurgel very interesting that I don't
know if that's necessarily true that Google saw the the US
Hollywood machine and said that's, that's what we're going
to do that you guys got to go on on. I don't know. Personally, I
always thought it was the other way around. With Operation
Paperclip. We brought a bunch of those guys over including Verner
von Brown, and he went on to to create the space program. And I
think from there we got who was blanking now of Freud's.
If you want to sense that we covered him in the last show. I
mean, a previous show.
It'll come to air Bernays Edward Bernays.
Edward Bernays. Yes. Edward Bernays, you know, asked you
this question. Maybe we didn't have the payload. But we had the
delivery system,
for sure. Yes, you're right. Very good point.
And yeah. So they were like, wow, like, we could just put our
warhead
on. That delivery system was going to be
gangbusters. Yeah. Oh, yeah. So. Ah, yeah. So JoJo Brown. He's
very, very nice, um, has great insight. And he's another one.
What we're seeing here, Jason Whitlock. Judge Joe Brown.
Sheriff, Sheriff. Lee, these pro patriarch talking heads. I hate
to use that word, but I can't think of a better one.
resurfacing? Yeah, nobody's heard from Judge Joe Brown. I
mean, the years he was on daytime television, and, and and
very competitive. Does that give you perspective of how
successful he was? He was competitive with Judge Judy. And
writings. Yeah. So I mean, he was a very powerful voice. I
think that's why he was ran off TV. Because he had a very
patriarchy patriarchal centered viewpoint on things. Yeah, this
was not stand. That's that's not how Knox No, we can't gotta get
you all daytime television. You know, you're you're ruining the
message. And speaking on the message, let's get into clip
three. What happened to
the institution of marriage? That's
one of the problems back in the 60s we had women talking about
marriage was a form of slavery. So we had some like Nikki
Giovanni, the poet came to UCLA on at least two or three
occasions, and Jean
Nikki G. Nikki Giovanni, wonder young girl, black woman look up.
Yeah.
And she was expounding the idea that marriage was slavery. So if
you wanted to have children, get knocked up by somebody who was
smart and physically set out and don't even tell the sob he was
the daddy. Because the worst thing you could do would be to
involve a man in the role of a Father that would just mess
children up. So women hate men. They don't like the fact that
they've got X X chromosomes instead of x, y, and they feel
they're deprived Bay as best I can tell off of what I saw 50
years ago when it was developed. But
let me ask you this If men were so good to women, what caused
them to change and turn on men in that manner?
They had a bubble of safety.
Ooh, I was gonna say that's a great question. boggler Thanks,
safety bubble of safety. Yeah, another name. I have never heard
of Nikki Giovanni.
She she was in a class with the other women we we mentioned as
great writers, right. And when I say things about people, I don't
never want to tear down their skill. Very skilled writer. But
it's what your how your weaponizing are being used. And
I'm gonna use this term, and it's most academic way. useful
idiots. Right? Not you think you're doing the right thing
you're thinking you know? You think you're making changes or
decisions for the greater good, but then you end up duped later
on down the line.
She's also one of Oprah Winfrey is 25 Living Legends.
They equip school and even said the new young women look at me
you say Nikki Giovanni. That name holds weight. Kind of like
with Maya Angelou. Or, you know, will you say these names. I
mean, it's kind of like a rites of passage to read these books.
By certain demographics.
And by the way, Nikki Giovanni is a great DJ named Giovanni
with everybody.
Oh, so judge made a mission of women not needing men and I just
want to bring up this point. And then 1993 There was a movie came
out with Will Smith, Ted Danson and Whoopi Goldberg net called
Made in America. And it was about a black woman. She had
artificial insemination. And her daughter set out to find who her
father was who ended up being spoiler alert. Ted Danson, if
you have seen the movie in 30 years, I'm sorry to ruin it for
you. But, um, but also that just goes to show you that it was
prevalent in me going out and getting sent out only to Father,
right. And instead, and we'll be actually we're together in real
life, right? Yes.
And just to say one last thing on this topic. That is a insult
this lobbed at men of being a sperm donor. Right? Nothing.
You're only good for that? Yes.
Go to your cup.
Yep, that's Are you Are you not a father? Yes, you're out.
You're a sperm donor. So yeah, so it's kind of sad. But
by the way, when someone calls you baby daddy. To me, I don't
like these terms. I like baby mama, baby, baby. When you say
that, it's like baby daddy. So literally, like you're a sperm
donor. And you send a quid?
That's the equivalent equivalent. And what that cut,
that knife cuts both ways. Because when you say baby mama,
yeah, yeah, that's me. You're not good enough to be wife
material. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Totally. Sounds like so. So when
people use these terms, oh, irks me?
Yeah. I've never liked And now and now it's popular culture.
And it's kind of cool to say it and I don't like it.
Yeah, but it's not a good thing disrespectful.
No matter which way you say it. To me. It's disrespectful.
I totally I totally agree with you on that one. But let's
continue on with Judge Joe Brown for
have women shifted from relying on the man for their protection
to the state to the police. And to the state. The state with the
police is representative of the state solely so the women now
have displaced the man's traditional role with the
government.
Yes, what happens is the inner city is becoming has become a
matriarchy. And that's one of the problems we have in terms of
community police relations is the order primary order in any
healthy community, typically throughout history came from the
masculine component. Now the masculine component has not been
trained in masculinity, so they don't keep public piece dignity
in order. And you have the police come in. Yeah, this is a
lesson. Go ahead. And let's not forget, this is not just Boomer
talk, for the judge, because Jay Z made a similar statement,
which we covered on a previous show as well, about the
interaction between children that were weren't raised with
authority figure in the household and their interactions
with police.
There is overall a western culture thing i i noticed that a
lot in America and I've lived in a couple different countries, is
this intermediary, we have a we have an intermediary for
everything. It's like you got a problem, like, you know, problem
with your neighbor. If you don't go over and say, Hey, neighbor,
let's talk about this now. polies right away, it's all we
all want have someone else who we pay for with our taxes come
in and fix the problem. Like it's like the homeless is same
thing. Well, that should just be fixed by the you know, what,
come on, I pay for this fix it. Where's my intermediary to go
and fix it must be some, you know, some kind of nonprofit or
someone does something around here. That's an overall problem.
But I like totally see what what the judge was getting at here in
this specific example.
And one thing that's lost or either ignored purposely is
okay, so you have two parents of a child, and that Father, for
whatever reason has fallen behind on his child support
payments, correct,
deadbeat.
But how does how does the mother collect
through the court system and the the police?
Correct, but at the very exact same time they're saying the
police is shooting out Black man dead in the streets here. But
when it's time to get collect your money,
let's save those racist cops over there. Yes, yeah.
And mass incarceration the same thing because if you can't pay
and visually can't pay off for whatever reason you hit me all
man hit hard times, for once or twice in life. I mean, it's just
a fact of life. If that happens to happen to you, then what what
happens? You become part of the prison industrial complex. Yeah,
at the hands of not being a sustaining father. Now, I will
say this. Man had to be more responsible because this is not
a beat up on one side or the other show. This is to you made
a valid, great, great, great point. Keeping that person that
middleman out of the conversation. Work with each
other? Yeah, for as long as possible, of course, right? Man?
No, you know, your responsibility, man. I'm talking
to man out there. Brothers, the patriarchy. You know, your
responsibility when you create a child, if you want to be part of
that patriarchy been the number one rule is providing. But as I
stated before, often we all hit hard times in life and
hardships. If a person is able to work with that person,
mothers work with the Father and say, Okay, I know you're on a
hard time right now. But you can catch me later. But getting that
denying that child visitation denying that child not I said
that purposely denying the child the visitation not Not, not the
father. Yeah. But you know, it drives a wedge in the bad mouth,
the father, it just is just work with each other, came for stayed
out of your out of your family, and you won't have that war your
household. So
while we're talking about it, how does this who's out there
trying to change this message or trying trying to propagate the
message that you just gave? Basically, who's who's out
there? I mean, we know what powers are at work to undermine
all of this is aware of the good guys?
Were here's here's the solution that's cropping up. Don't trust
women? I don't want anything do it to do it. Women? That's no
good, either.
That's not a great solution.
Yeah, you're playing right into the depopulation game, right.
Which, I mean, which is the long game here, ultimately, and it's
just, it's just this continual distrust. But where's it
stemming from? I mean, you guys had to like each other at some
point. I mean, if you procreate, it will mean each other. So
whether it's these expectations, it's the more I call it, the
more syndrome. Yeah. It's a game show. It's a game, it's a game
show, I'm not the Daddy, oh, they run off the backstage, you
know, or you are a data, you know, it's like a dance, you
know, it's like, What in the hell is going on here? You know,
there should
be a study should be done a university, you know, like a
proper study of the effect of those particular shows, on black
America in particular.
I bet somebody
that will show you some real devastation, man, they really
will. Then also just what it's the whole positioning of it,
just forget about what's happened to actual black black
families, and potential black families because that's what
most of those who are potential families, the perception amongst
the rest of the world. Jerry Springer wasn't just in America.
This was adored by people in Europe. They'd stay up until
three in the morning to watch this. They couldn't believe what
was going on. They thought it was so cool. He's looking he's
crazy nut jobs in America. But subliminally all along, I would
say on those shows 95% Black
especially in our morning, here's the other thing. We you
get to one name, recognition. Yeah. In America that tells you
the influence you have. Yep. And when you say Maury people know
exactly what it is. Yep. And it has it has a certain stigma to
it. But yeah, so let's continue on with Joe. Clip. 23.
A black woman would in turn play the womanly role to a white man
that she wouldn't play to him. Yes. And as black men if she's
been subjected to this sort of program, yeah, but
it's deeper than that is a cultural vein. Pimps commonly
run this game but it's a feminine game that black women
are taught. I got to break him down the side. Yeah, girl. Got
to tear him down and manage both pieces. I see this the same way
a pimp does, he takes the woman who's susceptible to that and
breaks it down into manageable pieces, he tears it down. And
that's what you find is a cultural thing going back. Well,
that was advocated in the 1710 1708 pamphlet that I read
in the Library of Congress, or at least on microfilm, and it
was repeated over and over and over again. So what Judge is
referring to is the is the willie Lynch papers, which I
haven't really painted. Now, if his was real, or a piece of
propaganda that was circulated in the black community, or if it
was actually a real paper, he said he read it in the Library
of Congress. I don't know. But what it what it included was,
you had to do Dr. Old against young, light against dark, male
against female, all the things we talked about in the show. So
even if it's a piece of propaganda, and not really a
actual historical document, the content of it
is accurate. Now, you cannot assume the I even knew what the
hell the willie Lynch papers were about.
Right? And okay, the willie Lynch paper, I can't describe
it. But it was a what was said to be this god named last name
Lynch. And they said, it's what lynching comes from, oh, he had
this pamphlet of how to make a slave to go around to the slave
owners and say, Okay, this is how you because ordinarily, the
slave outnumber the owners of the plantation that slave
masters and overseers and family are the art of those people. So
to keep a slave rebellion for happening, you had to keep the
slaves divided.
It was basically the manual for your group of slaves. Yes,
congratulations, man. slave owner here, here's your slaves.
And here's the manual on how to manage them.
Yes, man. Yes. Wow. And that that's the house Negro versus
field Negro, which was like dark, old against young you saw
that and roots with,
I gotta tell, I gotta tell you, I had never heard of this, I
feel somewhat embarrassed. But I'm glad. No bugs. That's just
how I feel. I'm bringing it up. And of course, I've gotten into
the habit of everything we talked about on the show, I'll
get some links, and I'll put them into the show notes. So
please do check the show notes. You can see each show note page,
you know, has a lot of Wikipedia entries, but all these different
names, you can kind of jumping off point from there. But this
also just like we, we learned about gaslighting. Well, you
learned about gaslighting. I didn't know that lynching comes
from this.
Yes, that's where it said to come from. And like I said,
there's debate where the validity of it but I'm not
talking about the actual doesn't matter. I'm talking about how it
was done, how it's done and put in what's done. And it's clear
as day we've covered every one of those divisions on this show
and multiple episodes. Yes. And we're back again on the man
versus woman. But yeah, I mean, so that's Judge Joe Brown for
you. Um, I mean, he is a great source of historical facts very,
very well read, well educated, you know, I mean, he's a judge,
of course, though, but yeah, so you're just seeing the older
generation is starting to speak to the younger generation. Yeah.
So not sure if I have a duplicate clip, but let's just
listen to 24. And see, I'll get into that.
And, and why. What is so what it sounded like to me judge is that
black women are constantly being elevated and promoted, whether
it be in politics, as now you see all these women mayor's
around the country and state of Georgia, or on activism, black
women started Black Lives Matter. They are the go to
people to be elevated by people outside our community, which
diminishes the value of black men. And it also causes black
women to look outside of black men for the protection and
providing that they should get from us is that was that was
going on.
Willie Lynch William Lynch, West Indies planter said that one of
the secrets to causing the slave to domesticate themselves, is
conditioning the black female to understand that she could not
get safety, protection and provision from her males, and
only look to white males to do it that goes back the first time
I saw that was in the 1710 PAMPs. So
that creates a natural enmity Oh,
it's a cultural thing that's been imposed on us. So,
black woman would in turn, play the womanly role to a white man
that she wouldn't play to him. Yes. And then as black men if
she's been subjected to this sort of problem, yeah, but it's
deeper than that
is a cultural thing. Pimps commonly run this game, but it's
a feminine game that black women are taught. I gotta break him
down the side. Yeah, okay, I want to make this point. Because
I don't want to seem like it's piling on. There are a lot of
women of all races, especially black women that are
appreciative of the patriarchy, because they're made to feel
safe and protected. And provided for, but where it clashes is
when they deal with their fellow sisters of a different mindset.
They're ashamed. And one of the things I've noticed in America
as we shame stay at home moms, is sickening. It's like, oh, so
what do you do? I'm a stay at home mom. Oh, you get that? Oh,
yeah, this is that meanwhile, this
is goes back to the same period and it goes all goes back to
Steinem and before. Yeah, it's part of the same thing.
And the reason why I say that is it's a, it's an well known
saying cliche. The Hand That Rocks, the cradle, is the hand
that rules the world. So if you really want to inspire and bring
about change, it's the mothers that can do it. And it's what
they teach their sons at a young age, and who they select to have
their sons by. That's how you change society. Now women have a
lot of power. Let's not get this twisted. It's the fact that
these sick people know their flaw is their emotional
heartstrings. And they pluck them. Yeah. To make them feel
inferior to make them feel less than because they stay at home
and they want to be taken care of. Not in a sense of provided
for but it's like, that's a symbol of love. And just ladies
a little man inside baseball a way a man shall he loves you is
how he provides for you. Is that a fair statement? Adam or no?
How he provides?
I don't know.
I'm not talking about monetarily. No, no, no, totally.
Changing the tire? I mean, like, I fix that. Yeah. Yeah, let's
look at what I can do for you.
Oh, I think that yeah, that's, that's a very natural masculine
trait to want to do. Yeah, of course. I'll take care of that.
I'll get the bug. I'll get the spider. Right.
Exactly, exactly. I'll get that thing book.
Now I do I do want to say in our house. We have an equality.
Right, which is based on hygiene. Everybody closes the
lid. Oh, yes, please. It makes it so easy. First of all, I
would say it's smarter to flush the toilet with the lid closed.
Once you've seen the studies of what is floating around.
That's all poop. Yeah, I'm aware.
It really is quite disgusting when you know, but it ends any
debate it ends any in you know, fallen into the toilet in the
middle of the night, which is not a good thing. You know, all
these things. It ends it if you just everyone just you done
whatever you did. Close the lid. Flush. Good to go. save
everybody.
But what's the name of the 1980s 90s romantic movie? That
guy spends $100 trying to knock down some milk jugs. So when the
girl oversized teddy bear, right? Yes, of course. It's not
about money because he could have easily went and bought one.
It's like I did that. You know and I want my woman to walk
around with a teddy bear at the fair show. I did this for her
that also it's it would that ancestral it goes back to you
know the hunter gatherer versus I mean the hunter gatherer and
us that you know, we came back with the with the keel.
Well, we've been Oh, Run by, you know, the same messaging
machine, the same delivery mechanism is overrun by people
with a clear agenda, who, you know, are using the same
mechanism to tell you that you that that's not okay. And that's
wrong. And I mean, just look at television commercials. The guy
is screwed up again. I'm a doofus.
And we're not calls up here. So I got a few more clips. But I
wanted to piggyback on your point you just made if you watch
children's television, which I do, because I always watch my
kid watch when they leave the room. I got come in the room and
I watch. It's a hierarchy and his television shows. Both
parents are stupid. First of all, it's the dad is
substantially more dumber than the mom. Yeah. Oh, Dad, like one
of those. Yeah, it's like, I mean, he did. I mean, he's, he's
barely functioning.
He's lucky. He's breathing. Really?
Yeah. Right. I mean, it's like, you know, it's like, oh, you
know, and the jokes are like this, like two or three dad
jokes in every episode. But now this is it. And they're going
down to the lower level. But JoJo brown in the last clip,
talked about that tearing down to manageable pieces. Yeah. I
wanted to bring to the table, what that looks like and what
that sounds like. So I went to continue with the day time
television show theme. Divorce Court, my man's and when you say
your man is a wimp.
And that's your biggest problem with him? Yes.
Could you explain that to me? Well, basically, he's a weenie.
He's a punk. I'm
tired of it.
He's not man. enough for me. I'm too strong for him.
Now, this was the 90s this divorce court or was it later
than
No, this was this was like last week. What? Really? I mean,
okay, at least like six months ago, no, no, only six months
ago. It's not a
YouTube thing. And this is like near as as 30 years ago. Really?
Last week. Okay. Wow, nice.
But this is the tearing down to manageable pieces. He's a wimp.
And just the personal background. This isn't to a
couple getting divorced. This was an episode of should we get
married. As he's talking to the poor guy like this, oh, he's a
wimp. He's a weenie. I'm like, dude, Ryan. Wow. But we're up to
miss Clark. Miss Clark. Let
me tell you something. You may think he's a weenie and a punk
and a wimp. But I'm most certainly not. And if you keep
that up, you go right through that door. And she and I will
finish our proceedings alone. And you lose in the rational war
right here already, you know?
Mm hmm. So when the female just checked her, she understood the
power structure. So yeah. So um, yeah. So this is what it sounds
like, for man to be shredded. And for all the people just
wondering why this poor guy puts up with it went three.
I mean, I'm just me, right? I could just be mean, if you want
something else didn't go they
go get something else and Quit bothering you. That having said
that, let me say this one you stay. seem to make any sense.
Often explain to you No, it's the other way around. I tried to
get away. I've tried to get away. She feels Clark. This
woman is crazy. She will find me I can move out of the country.
Somehow, someway, she will find me literally
do you chase him about now? That's a lie. So you know when
he leaves you don't go searching for him?
Well, you know. Well, we may see a modern or guesses just as
Mario may see an interesting version of this. take place this
this power dynamic. It may be taking place. It actually
doesn't even matter if it's true or not. I think it may be spun
that way, which is probably the most important part. And that's
Prince Harry and Meghan Markel. We may. We may see a version we
may see a version of this being portrayed in the media again,
whether it's true or not already, without a doubt the
messaging is, well, the Harry's kind of a little pussy whipped.
Very shrew, and she's a super woman. Yes.
And he is a minority because let's face it, Ginger has got it
rough.
Right. And for the archetype of shoes she's supposed to feel
she's gonna play the role. Yeah.
And it's in. Wow. And so let's just think about this because I
think I think the, the overall theme here has been the
influence of media Television In particular, in how this power
dynamic has been displayed and and its total blaxploitation.
I'm now coming to realize, of course, back in the 90s hours,
ooh, look at me on Mr. MTV i Oh, that's funny. Look at Jerry look
at more and you don't really think about it, what the long
standing impact of that is. But now this story, it is the fairy
tale story, she married a prince, but the prince instead
of take again, he may be in charge of everything. He may be
running the show, he'd be like, Baby, I'm taking care of you.
That's not what's being portrayed on television. And I
don't think that's the way it's going to play out the story. And
it kind of breaks though. That's a real, if it plays out that
way. Very destructive to the whole, the ultimate patriarchy
is the handsome prince. sweeps you away they live happily ever
after. And this one could turn out differently where I had to
tell him what to do. I had to drag his ass back to America or
to America I had I'm an I'm the I'm the Superwoman I'm taking
care of it all Wow, this will be very I have new eyes to watch
this with.
And a monarchy is nothing but a patriarch take down a monarchy.
But it's the death is the death is the it's the headshot for the
nationalism. It is a shock for the patriarchy. It kills a
couple of birds with one stone wow
it's tough time to be a man more
than welcome to the game. Welcome to the game.
Mo thank you so much for putting this one together a lot to think
about and a lot to pay attention to.
And as I always say pay attention to everything and the
truth where we really tell
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