1 00:00:09,929 --> 00:00:14,519 FAQs with Adam curry for February 5 2020. This is episode 2 00:00:14,519 --> 00:00:20,939 number 24 I am so happy I recorded this earlier in my 3 00:00:20,939 --> 00:00:26,729 basement what a great track Paymo I you know how I'm doing 4 00:00:26,729 --> 00:00:27,779 good man. How are you? 5 00:00:28,410 --> 00:00:29,550 I am doing well. 6 00:00:29,640 --> 00:00:34,110 Yeah, Shoe Man. This is, of course the podcast sometimes 7 00:00:34,110 --> 00:00:42,060 known as that a das podcast only in certain circles. And we're I 8 00:00:42,150 --> 00:00:45,390 guess we're a day later than we'd hoped and apologies. But 9 00:00:45,390 --> 00:00:48,150 it's always going to be worth it because we have I'm sure a 10 00:00:48,150 --> 00:00:50,940 dynamite show lined up for you. Not that I actually know exactly 11 00:00:50,940 --> 00:00:54,300 what we're going to do. But I do have a few things to follow up 12 00:00:54,300 --> 00:00:56,610 on. Oh, just a couple things to ask him one to follow up on from 13 00:00:56,610 --> 00:01:01,830 our last show Moe. First of all, Super Bowl. I know you're a big 14 00:01:01,830 --> 00:01:05,610 football guy. This is the only the only football game I really 15 00:01:05,610 --> 00:01:10,230 will definitely watch. I'll just tell you briefly, I felt the 16 00:01:10,230 --> 00:01:14,100 television production was very kind of sparse and flat a didn't 17 00:01:14,100 --> 00:01:17,850 see all the typical flying stuff and the stats and you know, just 18 00:01:17,850 --> 00:01:21,210 I don't know, it seemed like pretty sparse. But what I missed 19 00:01:21,540 --> 00:01:25,920 was a lot of hype about, I think, was would have been the 20 00:01:25,920 --> 00:01:30,030 third black quarterback to win the Super Bowl tonight was that 21 00:01:30,060 --> 00:01:33,240 underplayed this year? Because he's like half black or what was 22 00:01:33,240 --> 00:01:33,810 going on? 23 00:01:35,550 --> 00:01:41,880 Yeah, if you've noticed, they don't put him in the black 24 00:01:42,030 --> 00:01:47,430 quarterback conversation. Have we seen this before? I mentioned 25 00:01:47,430 --> 00:01:52,080 this before in the Colin Kaepernick episode, that they 26 00:01:52,080 --> 00:01:57,990 treated him the same way. They didn't mention that he was a 27 00:01:57,990 --> 00:02:01,950 black, right. Until Until it's my roommate. That's what threw 28 00:02:01,950 --> 00:02:05,520 me about him because I was like, yeah, he could be maybe. Right. 29 00:02:05,520 --> 00:02:10,140 But But yeah, you see the same thing with my homeboy. Yeah, as 30 00:02:10,140 --> 00:02:10,470 well. 31 00:02:10,800 --> 00:02:14,610 So okay, because I found I think one article, but it wasn't even 32 00:02:14,610 --> 00:02:18,540 like a massive M five M publication. I was just like, 33 00:02:18,540 --> 00:02:20,820 yeah, that's kind of odd. Because I looked him up because 34 00:02:20,820 --> 00:02:23,430 yeah, I personally did not pronounce his name. You know, 35 00:02:23,430 --> 00:02:27,690 me, Mister sports guy. So then I figure that out. And I say, Wait 36 00:02:27,690 --> 00:02:30,060 a minute. So his dad was this and then you know, they're all 37 00:02:30,060 --> 00:02:33,510 major league baseball players. And then finally a phone 38 00:02:33,510 --> 00:02:36,210 article. You know, his dad's black, his mom's white. And it's 39 00:02:36,210 --> 00:02:38,850 like, okay, well, where's the hype? Nothing knows. Just 40 00:02:38,880 --> 00:02:39,690 thought that was weird. 41 00:02:40,170 --> 00:02:44,820 This is the test textbook example of being racially 42 00:02:44,820 --> 00:02:49,230 ambiguous. Yeah, I've used that term before. And this is no 43 00:02:49,230 --> 00:02:53,700 sleight against him personally. No, but but the corporation that 44 00:02:53,700 --> 00:03:01,650 the NFL is. I think it's a conscious guy you do. I mean, 45 00:03:01,650 --> 00:03:08,370 because when we you juxtapose that to levar Jackson, a real 46 00:03:08,700 --> 00:03:10,230 eight off black quarterback? 47 00:03:11,760 --> 00:03:16,170 No, I gotta go to Google. Live art Jackson. 48 00:03:16,530 --> 00:03:17,460 Yeah, Lamar. 49 00:03:17,580 --> 00:03:20,760 I can hear half people going. Oh, Lamar. Okay, gotcha. Mark 50 00:03:20,760 --> 00:03:21,630 Jackson. Yeah. 51 00:03:22,470 --> 00:03:27,150 All right. Player. Yeah, they're the best two players in the NFL 52 00:03:27,150 --> 00:03:33,450 now. Because Lamar even won the MVP. 9% Sure. He went to MVP, 53 00:03:33,450 --> 00:03:37,680 but Well, mahomes won the MVP. Yeah, last year. That's what I'm 54 00:03:37,680 --> 00:03:39,000 saying. Oh, we're 55 00:03:39,000 --> 00:03:40,620 so weird. Gotcha. 56 00:03:42,630 --> 00:03:47,280 Do you have these two men that are technically both for Black? 57 00:03:47,340 --> 00:03:50,310 But they both Athos? 58 00:03:51,390 --> 00:03:54,990 Yeah, I believe I believe Holmes father is eight or eight. 59 00:03:55,980 --> 00:03:59,130 Jackson's parents are a das as well. So. But yeah, I'm just 60 00:03:59,130 --> 00:04:01,500 saying the way this. Isn't that interesting, 61 00:04:01,500 --> 00:04:04,050 right. Isn't that interesting? Because because I hadn't heard 62 00:04:04,050 --> 00:04:08,250 anything about it. And I'm like, maybe he's more Latinx or 63 00:04:08,250 --> 00:04:11,220 something. And that's why I went on a quest to go figure it out. 64 00:04:11,220 --> 00:04:13,380 And it's like, well, this is odd. All right. So that's the 65 00:04:13,380 --> 00:04:16,230 script. I guess everyone's fine with by the way. I love the way 66 00:04:16,260 --> 00:04:20,790 the mahomes plays is fantastic. And he's what? Eight years old? 67 00:04:21,420 --> 00:04:26,520 Yeah. believable. really young, really young. So. 68 00:04:27,360 --> 00:04:31,410 Yeah. All right. The other thing I want to ask you about Trump's 69 00:04:31,410 --> 00:04:34,680 State of the Union, which now I was going to ask you this last 70 00:04:34,680 --> 00:04:37,860 night? Actually, we're going to try and do it after the State of 71 00:04:37,860 --> 00:04:40,830 the Union. And I'm glad that we waited because I think that 72 00:04:40,830 --> 00:04:48,480 there there was a very obvious to me very clear message towards 73 00:04:48,870 --> 00:04:50,190 black Americans. 74 00:04:50,520 --> 00:04:53,340 Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, can we go back for a minute to 75 00:04:53,340 --> 00:04:57,960 the Super Bowl? gonna feed it No, it's gonna feed. 76 00:04:58,680 --> 00:05:02,370 Okay, you're talking about that. Tuskegee Airmen. No, no, no, 77 00:05:02,400 --> 00:05:04,080 because he appeared on both 78 00:05:04,530 --> 00:05:07,920 the first break the super ad break. 79 00:05:08,280 --> 00:05:11,010 Oh, yes. Trump's ad. You're right. Of course. What am I 80 00:05:11,010 --> 00:05:13,830 thinking? What a transition. I should have done that myself. 81 00:05:13,860 --> 00:05:17,940 Nice. You take our partners. Yeah. There's two of us, ladies 82 00:05:17,940 --> 00:05:18,360 and gentlemen. 83 00:05:19,530 --> 00:05:23,760 So I'm sitting there watching the game. And then I see it. I'm 84 00:05:23,760 --> 00:05:32,820 like, Oh, he did it. He has the prison reform commercial. Yes, 85 00:05:32,850 --> 00:05:36,900 exactly. And it's in the first ad block, which is your main, 86 00:05:37,320 --> 00:05:41,460 which is the prom spot. I think we like second commercial. In 87 00:05:41,460 --> 00:05:45,030 the first slide. Yeah. So that's like the, like the perfect spot. 88 00:05:45,450 --> 00:05:50,340 And it's like, targeted right at the black voter. Now I'll turn 89 00:05:50,340 --> 00:05:51,180 it back over to you. 90 00:05:51,630 --> 00:05:57,570 Well, okay, so that was going to be my question is what do you 91 00:05:57,570 --> 00:06:00,750 think of the spot? pandering? Did it hit there? Was it on 92 00:06:00,750 --> 00:06:03,000 target with what was your What was your thinking? 93 00:06:03,630 --> 00:06:12,000 I saw a tweet today. And it was from I think Breitbart on Van 94 00:06:12,000 --> 00:06:17,940 Jones now is saying, Look, Trump is doing something for real 95 00:06:17,940 --> 00:06:19,680 black people. Yeah. 96 00:06:19,890 --> 00:06:22,770 Just a Das is now real black people. 97 00:06:24,750 --> 00:06:28,350 I don't even think he meant Adolf specifically, but he means 98 00:06:28,350 --> 00:06:32,910 Pete black people that you can relate to? No, God, when you 99 00:06:32,910 --> 00:06:37,140 look at the guy from Ohio, that got cleaned up off the drugs and 100 00:06:37,140 --> 00:06:39,600 you're saying, right, right, right. You're talking about the 101 00:06:39,600 --> 00:06:43,080 State of the Union now? Yes, I'm going going back and forth. 102 00:06:43,080 --> 00:06:45,780 That's fine. That's fine. We when you look at the lady in 103 00:06:45,930 --> 00:06:49,590 criminal justice ad, these people could be your aunt or 104 00:06:49,590 --> 00:06:55,920 your uncle. I mean, they're not these crafted. Super Black 105 00:06:55,920 --> 00:06:56,340 people. 106 00:06:57,840 --> 00:07:02,820 Stop. Okay, helped me identify super black. 107 00:07:03,150 --> 00:07:07,020 Okay, what I mean is they didn't come out to Ivy League schools 108 00:07:07,020 --> 00:07:14,490 or super intellectual or Cory Booker. I wouldn't even say him, 109 00:07:14,520 --> 00:07:22,440 I would say like the pundits that you see on CNN or MSNBC, 110 00:07:22,440 --> 00:07:25,440 they're not relatable. Okay, gotcha. Well, you see him as 111 00:07:25,440 --> 00:07:27,750 like, Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. That could be my uncle. That could be 112 00:07:27,750 --> 00:07:31,590 my aunt. That could be my, the little girl that he had for the 113 00:07:31,620 --> 00:07:34,530 school choice. Yeah, that could be my little niece. That could 114 00:07:34,530 --> 00:07:39,870 be you know, these are real. Black people. Yeah. And when I 115 00:07:39,870 --> 00:07:43,050 saw that ad out me, I saw the article title. I didn't get a 116 00:07:43,050 --> 00:07:46,410 chance to read the article, but I'm guilty of doing headlines. I 117 00:07:46,410 --> 00:07:49,860 just didn't have time today to get to it. But I was like, yeah, 118 00:07:49,920 --> 00:07:51,300 they are real people. 119 00:07:51,809 --> 00:07:54,989 Alright, so what did you think of? Did you watch the Super Bowl 120 00:07:54,989 --> 00:07:56,909 with did? Did you talk about it when you saw the? 121 00:07:58,230 --> 00:08:03,660 Yeah, actually, me and my mother in law. She's probably the 122 00:08:03,660 --> 00:08:05,100 biggest Hillary hater. 123 00:08:05,340 --> 00:08:10,170 Oh, is she? Is she a Trump lover or not? I would not care. 124 00:08:10,920 --> 00:08:16,770 Oh, I would say that. She appreciates his honesty. Oh, 125 00:08:16,770 --> 00:08:20,640 wow. And, and not the truth but his honesty it is 126 00:08:21,240 --> 00:08:22,890 that he is who he is kind of what 127 00:08:23,010 --> 00:08:27,630 is that? Is that? So me and her had these conversations. But 128 00:08:27,630 --> 00:08:30,720 yeah, she she couldn't stand Hillary. Especially when she 129 00:08:30,720 --> 00:08:33,840 found out she threw a Bible to a Bible. That was that was 130 00:08:33,840 --> 00:08:38,370 a wound. Yes. What did you think of the of the ad? 131 00:08:39,720 --> 00:08:44,100 It hit her. You know, I mean, her kind of look, we know, like, 132 00:08:44,100 --> 00:08:46,680 you see that? I was just blown back that he actually ran a 133 00:08:46,680 --> 00:08:49,410 political ad during the Superbowl. But I understood it 134 00:08:49,410 --> 00:08:51,300 though. I understood. Exactly. It was snowing. 135 00:08:51,360 --> 00:08:54,840 Alright. So there was a lot of similar type messaging in the 136 00:08:54,840 --> 00:08:58,890 State of the Union. I, I personally from a television 137 00:08:58,890 --> 00:09:04,770 executive standpoint, just like yes, totally nailed it. You've 138 00:09:04,770 --> 00:09:08,790 got you're connecting a personal story to each and every one of 139 00:09:08,790 --> 00:09:12,510 your outcomes. Like, yes, this was incredibly good, but there 140 00:09:12,510 --> 00:09:15,690 was a lot of a lot of black and brown faces, 141 00:09:16,710 --> 00:09:20,190 essentially. So he had the redemption story. Like I said, 142 00:09:20,190 --> 00:09:23,280 with the guy from Ohio, give yourself up the opportunity. So 143 00:09:24,330 --> 00:09:30,600 single mother HBCU there crowd with? Oh, yeah, he hit that one. 144 00:09:30,600 --> 00:09:34,560 Yeah, hit that one right off the bat. Yeah, I mean, it was kind 145 00:09:34,560 --> 00:09:40,260 of like, wow, like you're really going after convincing black 146 00:09:40,260 --> 00:09:45,150 people that you're not bad for them. That's it. That was my 147 00:09:45,150 --> 00:09:48,870 takeaway. That was my takeaway. And this contributes to my 148 00:09:52,740 --> 00:09:56,400 theory of the negative vote. Right, 149 00:09:56,399 --> 00:09:59,999 which which, you know, I am of course preaching this everyone 150 00:09:59,999 --> 00:10:02,429 Eric, because you've run, you run the numbers with me, and he 151 00:10:02,429 --> 00:10:06,629 doesn't really have to chip away at that much. And I think Van 152 00:10:06,629 --> 00:10:09,269 Jones in that very same piece that you referenced, 153 00:10:10,049 --> 00:10:16,079 specifically mentioned, you know, black men. Yes. And so 154 00:10:16,109 --> 00:10:17,519 there may be an appeal there. 155 00:10:19,380 --> 00:10:23,190 So I like I said, just things have been bad for them. This is 156 00:10:23,190 --> 00:10:26,010 argument if things haven't been bad for you, especially, it's 157 00:10:26,010 --> 00:10:28,140 not as bad as they say it was gonna be for you last four 158 00:10:28,140 --> 00:10:34,080 years. So you just let me finish up here. And it's gonna work out 159 00:10:34,080 --> 00:10:37,290 for you. That was my takeaway from the whole convincing 160 00:10:37,319 --> 00:10:38,879 anything on Black Twitter. 161 00:10:41,130 --> 00:10:46,560 I think the silence you had to we have to look at the silence. 162 00:10:46,560 --> 00:10:50,010 We had to look at negative the negative or the missing the lack 163 00:10:50,010 --> 00:10:53,820 of and it wasn't like, oh, yeah, a lot of hate. I didn't see a 164 00:10:53,820 --> 00:10:59,580 lot of hate. For the, for the State of the Union. Right? No 165 00:10:59,580 --> 00:11:03,000 more in the mean, like than usual, right? It was like 1.0 166 00:11:03,000 --> 00:11:06,180 Look at Trump Panther. i That's one where I didn't hear that he 167 00:11:06,180 --> 00:11:10,260 was pandering. I didn't didn't come across my timeline. 168 00:11:11,039 --> 00:11:15,719 Interesting. Okay, well, good. Thank you. Thank you for thank 169 00:11:15,719 --> 00:11:19,469 you for giving me your thoughts on that. Just because obviously, 170 00:11:19,469 --> 00:11:22,259 I'm sitting there thinking, all I can think of is fuck, what is 171 00:11:22,259 --> 00:11:26,129 Mo think of this? I didn't go shit like what this this sounds 172 00:11:26,129 --> 00:11:29,009 sounds like he's doing something good here. I don't know. Nothing 173 00:11:29,009 --> 00:11:32,069 is really no maybe that historically, black colleges and 174 00:11:32,069 --> 00:11:34,679 universities that that could be considered some form of a 175 00:11:34,679 --> 00:11:39,569 tangible thing. But you know, the word reparations will never 176 00:11:39,569 --> 00:11:40,409 come up with Trump. 177 00:11:41,639 --> 00:11:46,379 And I'm glad you you walked me into the perfect segue because 178 00:11:46,409 --> 00:11:55,769 if the ads won't work, and the I'm presenting your case to the 179 00:11:55,829 --> 00:11:58,949 American public one works specifically the black American 180 00:11:58,949 --> 00:12:02,309 public, then maybe clip number one will work 181 00:12:02,399 --> 00:12:07,619 preferences. Hey, can you be bought and sold? Yeah, can you? 182 00:12:08,189 --> 00:12:11,759 Well, that's what's going down. Remember that pastor, that guy? 183 00:12:11,759 --> 00:12:15,809 I think his name is Pastor Scott in Cleveland, the big Trump 184 00:12:15,809 --> 00:12:20,009 supporter. Basically, it's just been like riding for Trump for a 185 00:12:20,009 --> 00:12:23,849 long time. Well, they've got this like coalition with what 186 00:12:23,849 --> 00:12:26,729 they're doing is they're holding events for black folks, black 187 00:12:26,729 --> 00:12:31,229 folks, and they're given the money to vote for Donald Trump. 188 00:12:32,159 --> 00:12:36,599 And it's working. It's kind of sad, because they're given 189 00:12:36,599 --> 00:12:41,849 people that really are not going to do the research. And some of 190 00:12:41,849 --> 00:12:45,419 them I hate to say to our low information voters, one issue 191 00:12:45,419 --> 00:12:45,959 voters. 192 00:12:47,730 --> 00:12:53,880 I saw this. I saw that you reply to a tweet about it and went 193 00:12:54,090 --> 00:12:59,160 looks pretty tangible to me or something like that. I wasn't 194 00:12:59,160 --> 00:13:02,430 sure how much sarcasm was in there. But I think it was 195 00:13:02,430 --> 00:13:05,820 exactly the way you intended at least I know, knowing you. I 196 00:13:05,820 --> 00:13:06,990 thought that was pretty funny. 197 00:13:08,100 --> 00:13:13,620 So this stems from a political article, Trump guy was Trump 198 00:13:13,620 --> 00:13:18,360 give cash cash giveaway for black voters? Yeah. They're 199 00:13:18,360 --> 00:13:21,600 saying allies of Donald Trump have began holding events in 200 00:13:21,600 --> 00:13:24,930 black communities. And we spoke about these events in a previous 201 00:13:24,930 --> 00:13:29,790 show. And he says we're organizers lavished praise on 202 00:13:29,790 --> 00:13:33,780 the president and they hand out 10s of 1000s of dollars to Lucky 203 00:13:33,780 --> 00:13:42,030 attendees. So now when Andrew Yang was giving money 204 00:13:42,029 --> 00:13:45,479 away to no that's math, rather that's just math. 205 00:13:45,570 --> 00:13:49,680 That's just math, but now it's low information. 206 00:13:50,490 --> 00:13:52,200 Dummies dummies. 207 00:13:52,500 --> 00:13:56,160 Let me explain to who was speaking. That was Russ Parr. 208 00:13:56,190 --> 00:14:01,230 Are you familiar with Russ Parr? No. He's kind of like a knockoff 209 00:14:03,270 --> 00:14:08,790 Charlemagne? No, no, you're a guy. Oh, Tom Joyner torrent Tom 210 00:14:08,790 --> 00:14:11,340 Joyner he kind of like a knockoff Tom Joyner. 211 00:14:11,520 --> 00:14:14,430 Okay. But except he hasn't he has a job still. 212 00:14:16,889 --> 00:14:19,259 isn't getting paid, though. Because Tom Jordan is not 213 00:14:19,259 --> 00:14:19,979 getting paid. 214 00:14:20,429 --> 00:14:23,159 Now Tom Jones has done it. Yeah, 215 00:14:23,160 --> 00:14:25,530 he was saying he was basically working for free those last 216 00:14:25,530 --> 00:14:26,160 couple of years. 217 00:14:26,160 --> 00:14:30,000 So you'd be you'd be surprised. You'd be surprised how shit 218 00:14:30,000 --> 00:14:33,360 radio has gotten. I'm talking like 12 bucks an hour at Sirius 219 00:14:33,360 --> 00:14:34,320 XM, believe me. 220 00:14:34,950 --> 00:14:39,540 Right. So he calls people like these people that's taking the 221 00:14:39,540 --> 00:14:43,740 cash low information voters and they're basically being duped. 222 00:14:44,100 --> 00:14:47,730 But I want to give you an example of the kinds of 223 00:14:49,260 --> 00:14:53,370 commercials that he plays on his show. We fix money 224 00:14:53,429 --> 00:15:00,209 if you need $640 or 850 to $2,500 Just go to WWE. 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Well, payday 236 00:15:47,789 --> 00:15:52,049 these days. Yeah, totally. So you're make you're willing to 237 00:15:52,049 --> 00:15:56,819 serve your audience up to predatory lenders. But then you 238 00:15:56,819 --> 00:16:01,439 talk down on people for taking cash for monetizing their vote, 239 00:16:01,649 --> 00:16:04,139 which I'm gonna tell you, it's fine. Okay, let me explain to 240 00:16:04,139 --> 00:16:07,319 people, what we're talking about now just gonna be a sub segment. 241 00:16:07,379 --> 00:16:10,619 I mean, just a sub little section of the show, and then 242 00:16:10,619 --> 00:16:14,369 we'll get into the real show. But ours really so irked by this 243 00:16:14,369 --> 00:16:20,729 because these gatekeepers are pissed that basically voting is 244 00:16:20,729 --> 00:16:24,389 turning into some form of gig work. Because I don't need a big 245 00:16:24,389 --> 00:16:27,179 structure. I know I'm gonna take my cash straight to the people. 246 00:16:28,139 --> 00:16:30,179 Give it to them, and then they'll go out and they'll 247 00:16:30,179 --> 00:16:34,199 perform the task of voting. The if the if these claims are true, 248 00:16:34,559 --> 00:16:37,289 and I'm looking at it from both sides from the yang side, and 249 00:16:37,289 --> 00:16:41,549 the Trump side, put the money inside the people's hands. And 250 00:16:41,549 --> 00:16:44,009 that's why I did say it tongue in cheek this is something 251 00:16:44,009 --> 00:16:47,489 tangible, but it is yeah. Okay. somebody's giving you $1,000 for 252 00:16:47,489 --> 00:16:51,419 your vote. These these thanks, probably the same people been 253 00:16:51,419 --> 00:16:52,109 talking was it? 254 00:16:52,199 --> 00:16:54,599 I thought it was me. I thought it was like 100 Is it was that 255 00:16:54,599 --> 00:16:55,229 1000 256 00:16:55,740 --> 00:16:58,950 When the article says they're handing out, of course, they're 257 00:16:58,950 --> 00:17:02,640 gonna embellish. And they said the article says they're handing 258 00:17:02,670 --> 00:17:06,690 handing out 10s of 1000s of dollars to Lucky attendees. So 259 00:17:06,690 --> 00:17:11,610 that could be the total sum could be 10s of $1,000. But if I 260 00:17:11,610 --> 00:17:17,190 wasn't gonna vote, or you're gonna give me 234 $100 To vote 261 00:17:17,190 --> 00:17:22,260 another way. Hey, that's this. That's more on my secret for 262 00:17:22,260 --> 00:17:28,830 you. I'm not knocking you. Ace tangible. Down with it. It's 263 00:17:29,130 --> 00:17:34,140 your right. So. But let's get back to Mr. Ross Parr, and he's 264 00:17:34,140 --> 00:17:37,170 just nasty talking down talking to black people. 265 00:17:37,410 --> 00:17:41,490 Donald Trump gave me money. I don't care about kids in cages. 266 00:17:41,940 --> 00:17:46,050 I don't care about s hole nations. I don't care that he's 267 00:17:46,050 --> 00:17:50,460 lining the pockets of all his rich friends. I don't care. All 268 00:17:50,460 --> 00:17:54,120 these policies hurt me. Oh, yeah. He's that a couple of 269 00:17:54,120 --> 00:17:56,700 people out of jail. Yeah, prison reform. It's great. But you 270 00:17:56,700 --> 00:17:59,550 don't want to be a one issue voter, y'all. You just don't 271 00:17:59,550 --> 00:18:05,640 want to do that. But now, you can be bought. Is that easy now? 272 00:18:06,570 --> 00:18:09,690 So this guy, Mr. Scott, they're going around Cleveland and other 273 00:18:09,690 --> 00:18:13,230 places. And they're saying, Okay, I'm gonna give you a 274 00:18:13,230 --> 00:18:17,190 couple of 100 bucks. All you got to do is say, Yes, I'll vote for 275 00:18:17,190 --> 00:18:20,460 Donald Trump. Because he's not so much for black people. 276 00:18:21,810 --> 00:18:26,070 Yeah, well, this is I mean, this guy has clearly it's obvious 277 00:18:26,070 --> 00:18:28,740 what his position is and what movie he watches. 278 00:18:28,980 --> 00:18:34,440 So how to kids in cages help black people. How did it come? 279 00:18:34,470 --> 00:18:36,750 Because he said, we're one issue voters if you're taking the 280 00:18:36,750 --> 00:18:39,600 money, you know, these, you know, these things are hurting 281 00:18:39,600 --> 00:18:43,320 you kids in cages as emigration. And I'm not saying I don't 282 00:18:43,320 --> 00:18:46,500 condone placing children in cages. But what I'm saying is 283 00:18:46,500 --> 00:18:49,350 this the topic behind the talking point, immigration, 284 00:18:49,380 --> 00:18:54,960 yeah. shithole nations immigration. You know, when you 285 00:18:54,960 --> 00:18:58,650 become into one topic, we've been on one topic vote voting 286 00:18:59,040 --> 00:19:03,960 bloc for forever, for two years. Now, now oh, now all of a 287 00:19:03,960 --> 00:19:07,380 sudden, say you get your sentences together. You know 288 00:19:07,380 --> 00:19:10,920 why? Because he's been cut out the picture. If the cash goes 289 00:19:10,920 --> 00:19:13,500 straight to the people, gatekeepers have no purpose 290 00:19:13,500 --> 00:19:14,040 anymore. 291 00:19:14,460 --> 00:19:18,570 Well, of course, but it's I don't even know if he sees it 292 00:19:18,570 --> 00:19:22,290 that way. What, what is this air what networks is? 293 00:19:22,770 --> 00:19:26,970 Syndicate syndicate? Yeah, he's syndicated. So he's across. I've 294 00:19:26,970 --> 00:19:29,940 lived in Durham, North Carolina, and I live here in Northern 295 00:19:29,940 --> 00:19:32,820 Virginia and he's on stations in both 296 00:19:32,820 --> 00:19:35,490 areas. Afternoon show, morning show. 297 00:19:35,640 --> 00:19:39,840 Morning Show. Morning. This is all morning. But yeah, he's 298 00:19:39,840 --> 00:19:44,460 like, Oh, this is harmful to the New York community and and this 299 00:19:44,460 --> 00:19:46,260 next clip is really going to hurt me. 300 00:19:46,530 --> 00:19:49,590 Some people use administrations refer to them as colors. There 301 00:19:49,590 --> 00:19:52,860 are good colors and there's bad colors. But listen, y'all, 302 00:19:53,040 --> 00:19:56,250 you've got to be informed. You can't. Well, I can't tell you 303 00:19:56,250 --> 00:20:00,300 what to do. But don't take that money. You're selling it out, 304 00:20:00,930 --> 00:20:05,160 you can be bought. We have to have some personal integrity. We 305 00:20:05,160 --> 00:20:09,090 have to do the research to find out what he stands for and what 306 00:20:09,090 --> 00:20:12,780 he doesn't stand for. The man could care less unless your name 307 00:20:12,780 --> 00:20:16,770 is diamond, diamond and silk or maybe that Pastor Scott and 308 00:20:16,800 --> 00:20:20,460 maybe ARMSTRONG WILLIAMS. I don't know. But he's got a few 309 00:20:20,460 --> 00:20:24,630 people Herman Cain, you know, usto nein, nein, nein. Yeah, he 310 00:20:24,630 --> 00:20:28,020 started another organization. I think it's called Black voices 311 00:20:28,020 --> 00:20:31,860 for Trump. And they're doing the same thing. They're going around 312 00:20:31,860 --> 00:20:33,480 and they're buying votes. 313 00:20:35,370 --> 00:20:36,990 Okay, what what are you 314 00:20:37,020 --> 00:20:40,200 color people? You're offended by that. But the Democrats call you 315 00:20:40,200 --> 00:20:42,300 people of color all day long. 316 00:20:42,300 --> 00:20:45,180 And can I just can I just say something? I know you're mad. I 317 00:20:45,180 --> 00:20:49,590 know. You're mad. I'm sorry. I got a bone to pick. Yes, since 318 00:20:49,590 --> 00:20:57,060 the last show. I cannot stop hearing. Pete people of color. I 319 00:20:57,060 --> 00:21:02,640 hear this everywhere. And it's an I'm seeing the like the 320 00:21:02,640 --> 00:21:08,880 former campaign PR for Hillary Clinton. Maxwell was her name. 321 00:21:09,090 --> 00:21:15,270 She young she got the OG hair. Beautiful woman. But she's like, 322 00:21:15,300 --> 00:21:18,660 she keeps saying people of color people. And of course what after 323 00:21:18,660 --> 00:21:21,900 you programmed me and everybody else. All I hear is kind of 324 00:21:21,900 --> 00:21:24,690 people. I'm like, holy crap. And then I hit and of course, we got 325 00:21:24,690 --> 00:21:29,820 to we got a lot of we got a lot of colored people on TV lately. 326 00:21:29,820 --> 00:21:35,610 We got who's the RNC, the former RNC chair. And you know, just a 327 00:21:35,610 --> 00:21:38,430 lot of a lot of people walking around and I hear it all the 328 00:21:38,430 --> 00:21:45,960 time now. And I think yes, I should just mo can no can't be 329 00:21:46,320 --> 00:21:46,740 MP. 330 00:21:46,980 --> 00:21:49,890 How'd you get to go back and do Sumo? How'd you like that? 331 00:21:49,980 --> 00:21:55,170 People of Color halftime show. I mean, that was I got a homie on 332 00:21:55,170 --> 00:21:56,790 the brown and lighten the black. Yeah, I 333 00:21:56,790 --> 00:22:00,090 got I got Yeah, I got a whole I got a whole bone to pick with 334 00:22:00,090 --> 00:22:00,420 that. 335 00:22:01,920 --> 00:22:06,780 But yeah, I digress. I'm just saying, but just yeah, you know, 336 00:22:07,079 --> 00:22:10,169 I was thinking, this could actually be the the first 337 00:22:10,169 --> 00:22:12,779 podcast I ever participated in, we're going to come up with the 338 00:22:12,779 --> 00:22:16,619 exit strategy early on. Because I'm thinking, you know, soon 339 00:22:16,619 --> 00:22:21,299 we'll have facial recognition technology for everybody. And 340 00:22:21,299 --> 00:22:24,239 it's coming and it's just a matter of, you know, who's going 341 00:22:24,239 --> 00:22:26,969 to pay for because it does take some processing on the back end. 342 00:22:28,769 --> 00:22:33,329 But everyone's so available and scannable that we'll be able to 343 00:22:33,329 --> 00:22:37,619 have an app I'm gonna call it the A das app. And you basically 344 00:22:37,619 --> 00:22:41,549 just point the your phone at somebody and and they'll say, a 345 00:22:41,549 --> 00:22:45,149 das or non a Das, because this is what I'm missing when I hear 346 00:22:45,209 --> 00:22:50,309 a das pin clearly a das people saying people of color, I'm just 347 00:22:50,339 --> 00:22:54,419 I'm confused. But maybe it's just, it's just the setting. 348 00:22:55,740 --> 00:22:57,330 It's working. Oh, no, 349 00:22:57,630 --> 00:22:58,560 that's got me. 350 00:23:00,210 --> 00:23:08,640 So man, John DeVore at the John DeVore. I had a little DM and 351 00:23:08,640 --> 00:23:15,150 basically, I told him that people of color equals non 352 00:23:15,150 --> 00:23:20,430 white, which equals not important. And he agreed. Yeah, 353 00:23:20,490 --> 00:23:21,900 I mean, I'm sure he agrees. It's like 354 00:23:21,960 --> 00:23:24,360 he looks like saying the blacks that's his 355 00:23:24,780 --> 00:23:28,140 lashes lump them all together, like in his nice little ball. 356 00:23:28,170 --> 00:23:34,830 That's manageable. And there you go, but Mr. Russ Parr has a 357 00:23:35,040 --> 00:23:38,820 problem with color people are he I'm sure he uses the term people 358 00:23:38,820 --> 00:23:43,440 of color. But let's listen to how he portrays Asian American 359 00:23:43,440 --> 00:23:50,610 people we were good yeah, 360 00:23:50,820 --> 00:23:57,690 congrats because you guys celebrated Yeah, you guys that's 361 00:23:57,690 --> 00:24:06,420 why you black men talk about black everything black and black 362 00:24:06,420 --> 00:24:16,740 and you have to come in a half a huge boost First off, you're 363 00:24:16,740 --> 00:24:26,220 being very disgusting right now. Or your new boss as you can just 364 00:24:26,220 --> 00:24:33,690 call it my Kim and all that came and Sunday already calm you're 365 00:24:33,690 --> 00:24:40,740 while you're still you're celebrating you know whether you 366 00:24:40,740 --> 00:24:47,160 even celebrated for your goodbye mailing. 367 00:24:48,570 --> 00:24:50,310 So this is a bit obviously. 368 00:24:50,849 --> 00:24:55,109 Yes. This is a reoccurring character mailing that works in 369 00:24:55,109 --> 00:24:55,979 a nail shop. 370 00:24:57,300 --> 00:25:01,770 Yeah, yeah, you know, I gotta tell you, we're only 10 years 371 00:25:01,770 --> 00:25:06,810 apart or so. But this is I come from the time on the radio, we 372 00:25:06,810 --> 00:25:09,930 had these characters you had, you had the crazy, the kind of 373 00:25:09,930 --> 00:25:13,770 crazy Chinese guy you had the guy worked in New York radio, 374 00:25:13,920 --> 00:25:17,430 you have the guy from Harlem, you'd have Mr. Leonard who was 375 00:25:17,430 --> 00:25:21,660 in from Mars, you know, so and all these it was, and I think 376 00:25:21,660 --> 00:25:26,670 I'm talking about late 80s 90s. And everyone seemed kind of the 377 00:25:26,670 --> 00:25:31,050 laugh about themselves. That one away, so it's hard for me, I 378 00:25:31,050 --> 00:25:35,220 can't get mad at this, like, all right. And it's there was some 379 00:25:35,220 --> 00:25:36,330 funny pieces of it. But 380 00:25:37,470 --> 00:25:42,630 I'm not mad about it. I'm saying the hypocrisy of Sure. You know, 381 00:25:42,630 --> 00:25:48,420 if this was on a nother show that lack melanin, it'll be you 382 00:25:48,420 --> 00:25:53,040 know, forced, they will be trying to counsel there. Yeah, 383 00:25:53,040 --> 00:25:55,830 advertisers, of course, yes, you're right. You're right. And 384 00:25:55,830 --> 00:25:59,760 not only this, but he also portrays black people in a very 385 00:25:59,760 --> 00:26:03,510 negative way. On the majority of his show, I was very hurt by 386 00:26:03,510 --> 00:26:09,510 this show, period. Tell ya, this guy, really. I'm gonna wrap this 387 00:26:09,510 --> 00:26:12,750 up. So let's just get into the clip number four. 388 00:26:13,560 --> 00:26:18,150 Some pastors were paid years ago to take money to influence their 389 00:26:18,150 --> 00:26:24,300 congregation to vote for George W. Bush. And they did and 390 00:26:24,300 --> 00:26:27,660 there's, it's been proven. That's what they've done. 391 00:26:27,960 --> 00:26:30,570 Because a lot of y'all just listen to your pastors, you 392 00:26:30,570 --> 00:26:34,170 noticed that like how my fault you're like sheep. It's okay to 393 00:26:34,170 --> 00:26:38,220 take this money, even though I'm gonna hurt some people. Yeah, 394 00:26:38,220 --> 00:26:41,100 you have a little personal gain for a moment. But the long term 395 00:26:41,100 --> 00:26:45,510 effects, so many people are damaged by it. We have to have a 396 00:26:45,510 --> 00:26:48,480 mind of our own. I'm not telling you not to vote for Donald 397 00:26:48,480 --> 00:26:51,150 Trump. But if you do your research, you find out that he 398 00:26:51,150 --> 00:26:54,450 does not have your best interests in mind. He doesn't. 399 00:26:55,200 --> 00:26:58,290 It's simple. That's just my opinion. You know, we're not 400 00:26:58,290 --> 00:27:00,240 monolithic. Were we all built the same? Those 401 00:27:00,240 --> 00:27:03,630 are your opinion or fact, bro. least have 402 00:27:03,630 --> 00:27:08,070 an informed decision as to whose money you're going to take in 403 00:27:08,070 --> 00:27:11,400 order to be bribed. And I don't know how legal that is. But I 404 00:27:11,400 --> 00:27:14,850 guess so figure a way around it because the President is above 405 00:27:14,850 --> 00:27:19,470 the law. talking point and nobody wants to hold him 406 00:27:19,470 --> 00:27:23,970 accountable. But you can. And November 2020, yes, this year, 407 00:27:24,180 --> 00:27:27,420 you can hold them accountable. You can vote. That's my rant. 408 00:27:28,290 --> 00:27:34,260 That's his rant. Oh, please. This guy is besides. Yep. I 409 00:27:34,260 --> 00:27:36,660 mean, I don't know if he's really influential. But as a 410 00:27:36,660 --> 00:27:40,710 broadcaster, he's mediocre. I mean, he's just repeating. I 411 00:27:40,710 --> 00:27:42,870 mean, I could do a show like that. I can do a minute of 412 00:27:42,870 --> 00:27:45,090 talking points. And then seeing the great 413 00:27:45,089 --> 00:27:51,539 value of Tom Joyner, brother. That's what he is. But it's just 414 00:27:51,539 --> 00:27:54,869 that I'm not telling you not to vote for Trump, and we're not a 415 00:27:54,869 --> 00:27:58,739 mana Lipsense win. Right. Since we're have we not been a 416 00:27:58,739 --> 00:28:01,199 monolith when it comes to voting will run 417 00:28:01,200 --> 00:28:05,820 the numbers for me again, what a percentage of and I'll say the 418 00:28:05,820 --> 00:28:10,650 black vote, because that's what the kind of using does not have 419 00:28:10,650 --> 00:28:17,190 to vote Democrat for basically to be all over for a democratic 420 00:28:17,310 --> 00:28:18,540 Democrat candidate. 421 00:28:18,930 --> 00:28:24,840 Well, 2012 it was 67% turnout of the black vote six when Trump 422 00:28:24,990 --> 00:28:34,890 Yeah, when Trump won in 2016. It was down to 59%. Right? It's 423 00:28:34,890 --> 00:28:38,940 very, if it stays at 50 to 100, drops even lower. You can't make 424 00:28:38,940 --> 00:28:41,280 those votes up. You can't make them up. 425 00:28:42,839 --> 00:28:45,389 I think you were saying that really? is a matter of maybe 426 00:28:45,389 --> 00:28:47,489 five points. Yeah, 427 00:28:47,520 --> 00:28:50,220 I mean, if it just stays at 59 they need they need it to be 428 00:28:50,220 --> 00:28:55,890 around 65 67% To have a chance to win. That's why they lost in 429 00:28:55,890 --> 00:29:00,090 2016. And that's what they don't really want to talk about. But 430 00:29:00,090 --> 00:29:03,570 this is why everything is people of color, people of color, 431 00:29:03,570 --> 00:29:04,650 people of color, you know, 432 00:29:06,869 --> 00:29:11,069 every Can I think I watched the Iowa caucuses very closely. I 433 00:29:11,069 --> 00:29:14,729 wanted to understand it and I'm glad I did because became super 434 00:29:14,729 --> 00:29:19,259 entertained. Certainly to watch broadcaster struggle for hours 435 00:29:19,259 --> 00:29:23,519 on end to fill time. I think I heard at least three candidates 436 00:29:23,549 --> 00:29:29,519 all use the people of color term. And then of course, 437 00:29:29,519 --> 00:29:32,009 subsequently Of course I heard everywhere else that actually 438 00:29:32,039 --> 00:29:34,979 the caucuses are completely racist because only white people 439 00:29:34,979 --> 00:29:38,429 can come out on a Monday night and blah, blah, blah and only 440 00:29:38,429 --> 00:29:41,069 black people babysit for the white people who can go out on 441 00:29:41,069 --> 00:29:43,559 Monday night. It's like okay, fine, whatever. 442 00:29:44,130 --> 00:29:48,240 Like not always like 90 something percent white. Of 443 00:29:48,240 --> 00:29:53,460 course, black swing vote, it was gonna really shake things up. 444 00:29:53,460 --> 00:29:56,580 And I mean, we even covered this in the last show because that's 445 00:29:56,580 --> 00:30:00,600 exactly where they had the people of color Summit. whatever 446 00:30:00,600 --> 00:30:05,880 it was called. Advice. Yeah. Yeah, yes. Yeah, exactly. So 447 00:30:05,880 --> 00:30:09,180 knock it all. So 448 00:30:09,960 --> 00:30:12,720 let's let's do a pitch on the off some more. Let's do the the 449 00:30:12,720 --> 00:30:13,140 last. 450 00:30:14,309 --> 00:30:18,449 So this rant is from another rant. And he's and it's a convo 451 00:30:18,449 --> 00:30:19,619 with a Trump supporter. 452 00:30:20,219 --> 00:30:24,539 All right, this, this following statements that I'm about to 453 00:30:24,539 --> 00:30:28,799 make are not applicable to all white folks or other groups that 454 00:30:28,799 --> 00:30:32,819 may see their entitlement slipping away. Oh, but I was on 455 00:30:32,819 --> 00:30:37,649 a flight and I was wearing my Make America Baroque again, hat. 456 00:30:38,069 --> 00:30:40,079 The guy asked me what it was all about was talking about, it's 457 00:30:40,079 --> 00:30:44,099 about a better time. And you can order it on up to par.net. And 458 00:30:44,129 --> 00:30:46,379 this guy got, I could see that he was getting a little 459 00:30:46,379 --> 00:30:51,719 irritated because obviously, he is not a Barack Obama fan, which 460 00:30:51,719 --> 00:30:55,649 will I'm cool with it. But it was an intriguing conversation 461 00:30:55,649 --> 00:30:58,409 that we started to have. I mean, he got comfortable and very 462 00:30:58,409 --> 00:31:03,329 candidate with a glass of wine. And he said a lot of things. And 463 00:31:03,419 --> 00:31:07,739 his, his ideology was like a white nationalist. I said, God, 464 00:31:07,739 --> 00:31:11,219 this guy doesn't even know that he's a white nationalist. You 465 00:31:11,219 --> 00:31:14,279 know, he's, he's putting all that out there. And I'm sitting 466 00:31:14,279 --> 00:31:17,699 there going, man. But what he said in so many words, he says 467 00:31:17,699 --> 00:31:21,779 that Trump has made them realize that most whites are being 468 00:31:21,779 --> 00:31:28,199 discriminated against in America, in favor of minorities. 469 00:31:32,430 --> 00:31:37,230 So first of all, this was no low low in canola information voter 470 00:31:37,230 --> 00:31:40,530 because clearly they're sitting in first class drinking a nice 471 00:31:40,530 --> 00:31:44,520 glass of wine. Right, so I'm going to take that with a grain 472 00:31:44,520 --> 00:31:45,210 of salt. 473 00:31:47,970 --> 00:31:53,700 So yeah, so this leads us into the real topic of the show. And 474 00:31:53,880 --> 00:31:59,190 the topic of the show is what happens, allegedly, when a white 475 00:31:59,190 --> 00:32:06,690 person attempts to defend their perceived privilege that they 476 00:32:06,690 --> 00:32:08,310 have. Oh, nice. 477 00:32:08,310 --> 00:32:12,270 This is about me. Hold on a second. Let's rolling round and 478 00:32:12,270 --> 00:32:15,390 round and round. Ladies and gentlemen, the real of topics mo 479 00:32:15,390 --> 00:32:19,650 facts with Adam curry, and we stopped today on the lucky 480 00:32:19,650 --> 00:32:22,080 topic. That is, 481 00:32:22,410 --> 00:32:25,500 today we're going to talk about the concept of white fragility. 482 00:32:26,670 --> 00:32:32,190 White, that's the term white fragility. Yes. White Guilt is 483 00:32:32,190 --> 00:32:35,220 easier to remember fragility three syllables. 484 00:32:35,790 --> 00:32:39,090 Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. They're not the same. No, 485 00:32:39,089 --> 00:32:41,189 I know. I know. They're not. Okay. 486 00:32:41,520 --> 00:32:44,700 I gotta have you heard this term before? 487 00:32:44,700 --> 00:32:45,330 No, no, I 488 00:32:45,330 --> 00:32:50,100 have not. I have not. This is new to me. I found this maybe 489 00:32:50,100 --> 00:32:53,130 several weeks ago, and now like, tucked it away. I was like, I 490 00:32:53,130 --> 00:32:56,430 got to look into whatever this white fragility 491 00:32:57,990 --> 00:33:03,120 was bookmarks. It's like is that even snow flakier than 492 00:33:03,120 --> 00:33:07,680 snowflake? If you're white and in your fragile? 493 00:33:10,380 --> 00:33:21,570 Yeah. It's an aggressive fragile. Okay. Oh, what we have 494 00:33:21,570 --> 00:33:30,240 here is miss the Angelou Her name is who came up with the 495 00:33:30,240 --> 00:33:35,910 term. Her name is Robin J. D'Angelo. She has a PhD in multi 496 00:33:36,030 --> 00:33:42,030 modal, multicultural education, of course. And in a 2011 497 00:33:42,060 --> 00:33:45,960 academic paper, she put forward the concept of white fragility. 498 00:33:46,170 --> 00:33:48,720 So this is a somewhat new term. 499 00:33:48,990 --> 00:33:52,140 I'm going to welcome in Robyn D'Angelo, she's a sociologist, 500 00:33:52,440 --> 00:33:56,100 American sociologist and the author whose book is here, it's 501 00:33:56,100 --> 00:34:00,360 called white fragility. Robin explain what is white fragility? 502 00:34:00,630 --> 00:34:01,050 Well, 503 00:34:01,290 --> 00:34:05,070 social life is patterned and predictable in observable and 504 00:34:05,070 --> 00:34:08,970 describable ways. And racial inequality is a very consistent 505 00:34:08,970 --> 00:34:14,310 pattern. And so is the overall light response to it, or to when 506 00:34:14,310 --> 00:34:17,340 that issue is raised. So what I'm doing is describing one 507 00:34:17,340 --> 00:34:21,750 particular common white pattern, and offering an explanation not 508 00:34:21,750 --> 00:34:24,510 only for how we come to have that pattern, but also how it 509 00:34:24,510 --> 00:34:30,390 functions. So the pattern is the defensiveness at any suggestion 510 00:34:30,570 --> 00:34:34,500 that racial inequality exists, and that each of us is a part of 511 00:34:34,500 --> 00:34:34,740 it. 512 00:34:36,690 --> 00:34:42,090 And that's the only way you can define that. So it has to be the 513 00:34:42,090 --> 00:34:44,040 STB all all of the above? 514 00:34:44,819 --> 00:34:50,039 Yes. So. So basically how it works is if I say Hey, Adam, you 515 00:34:50,039 --> 00:34:54,569 have white privilege, you say no, I don't. And I say well, you 516 00:34:54,569 --> 00:34:56,489 have white privilege and white fragility. 517 00:34:57,330 --> 00:35:03,180 Wow. I remember The first time I was called out as having white 518 00:35:03,180 --> 00:35:08,130 privilege, and it was at a dinner party, and it's it's 519 00:35:08,130 --> 00:35:12,120 gonna be four and a half years ago, maybe. And it was a 520 00:35:12,120 --> 00:35:17,460 professor who I respect from the University of Texas. And I'm 521 00:35:17,460 --> 00:35:20,670 like, What are you talking about? I'd never really heard 522 00:35:20,670 --> 00:35:23,760 the term and I certainly never been accused of Oh, and they 523 00:35:23,790 --> 00:35:27,360 literally like you have white privilege. So what? What are you 524 00:35:27,360 --> 00:35:30,030 talking about? You have white privilege, you can't deny that. 525 00:35:30,030 --> 00:35:35,400 And it I was it was really uncomfortable. And so I guess 526 00:35:35,400 --> 00:35:38,850 that's I would have been, I would have had white fragility 527 00:35:38,850 --> 00:35:39,180 there. 528 00:35:39,720 --> 00:35:42,510 That pushback that you gave, I'm sure after you left. It's like, 529 00:35:42,510 --> 00:35:44,280 how about curry his white fragility? 530 00:35:45,570 --> 00:35:48,090 Well, I wish they had said that to me then. So I could have 531 00:35:48,090 --> 00:35:51,630 known I was violating not one but two principles of nature. 532 00:35:53,370 --> 00:35:56,580 Yes. So what we're going to do here is we're going to examine 533 00:35:56,580 --> 00:35:57,600 this term. 534 00:35:57,960 --> 00:36:01,470 This woman is white, this Robyn D'Angelo? Yes, 535 00:36:01,500 --> 00:36:08,250 yes, she's, she's a white lady. And she coined the term and then 536 00:36:08,250 --> 00:36:12,120 later wrote a book about the term which I think this, these 537 00:36:12,120 --> 00:36:13,230 terms, these. 538 00:36:14,010 --> 00:36:16,800 Oh, that's how you get one, you know, you read a book about it 539 00:36:16,800 --> 00:36:18,660 and say, oh, there's this term. I made it up. 540 00:36:19,500 --> 00:36:22,080 Yeah. So we're going to, we're going to look at how it came 541 00:36:22,080 --> 00:36:25,740 about what it is, we're going to look at a counter argument 542 00:36:25,740 --> 00:36:29,820 against it. And then how it's determined is a person that has 543 00:36:29,820 --> 00:36:31,170 white fragility or not so 544 00:36:31,650 --> 00:36:35,280 And will this will this episode also give me the tools so that I 545 00:36:35,280 --> 00:36:38,880 can defend myself against not just falling into the white 546 00:36:38,880 --> 00:36:41,670 fragility trap but against white fragility in general? 547 00:36:42,570 --> 00:36:43,680 Correct goggles. 548 00:36:45,780 --> 00:36:47,460 Gotcha. I'm sorry, I'll shut up. 549 00:36:49,410 --> 00:36:53,580 Alright, so let's get to the second part of that clip. The 550 00:36:53,580 --> 00:36:54,090 term 551 00:36:54,120 --> 00:36:58,770 fragility is meant to capture how little it takes to set us 552 00:36:58,770 --> 00:37:01,920 off from any white people. The mere suggestion that being white 553 00:37:01,920 --> 00:37:06,030 has meaning will cause great umbrage generalizing about white 554 00:37:06,030 --> 00:37:10,080 people will cause great upset and umbrage. But the impact of 555 00:37:10,080 --> 00:37:14,940 that umbrage is not fragile at all. It functions as a very 556 00:37:14,940 --> 00:37:18,570 powerful way to repel the challenge and to protect the 557 00:37:18,570 --> 00:37:19,620 racial hierarchy. 558 00:37:23,790 --> 00:37:27,270 I like this episode, because I get to think a lot harder about 559 00:37:27,270 --> 00:37:30,240 myself. I agree with a lot of what you said in the in the 560 00:37:30,240 --> 00:37:33,540 beginning of that clip, but at the end, this protect the white 561 00:37:33,540 --> 00:37:36,720 hierarchy. No, fuck no, not for a second. I don't give a shit 562 00:37:36,720 --> 00:37:41,160 about that. I remember being accused of of white privilege 563 00:37:41,160 --> 00:37:45,120 for the first time. So it's in my mind, and I did not think of 564 00:37:45,150 --> 00:37:48,360 oh, I have to protect the hierarchy. None of that. So 565 00:37:48,360 --> 00:37:51,480 that's just not with me, at least. I'm not your typical 566 00:37:51,480 --> 00:37:52,920 white guy. But 567 00:37:54,210 --> 00:37:57,300 that's what I want it with this show to bounce this idea off. 568 00:37:57,300 --> 00:38:01,950 And this is typically these terms are bounce between two 569 00:38:01,950 --> 00:38:05,880 white people. Yeah, totally. Totally. I have. Obviously I've 570 00:38:05,880 --> 00:38:08,940 never heard this term, so I can't use it. And I've never 571 00:38:08,940 --> 00:38:14,190 heard a person of any color rule. 572 00:38:14,520 --> 00:38:17,100 You would go on there. You stopped yourself in time. But 573 00:38:17,100 --> 00:38:17,910 you know, 574 00:38:18,600 --> 00:38:22,170 I was gonna say out person. I was gonna say good. I was 575 00:38:22,170 --> 00:38:24,270 thinking about not just black people I have never heard 576 00:38:24,270 --> 00:38:29,370 because I work with a bunch of different ethnicities. I haven't 577 00:38:29,370 --> 00:38:36,150 heard correction, I call it person. use that term. So it's 578 00:38:36,150 --> 00:38:40,140 like, Hey, where'd this come from? I read I mean, want to 579 00:38:40,140 --> 00:38:42,660 be like par and just call them Coloureds. Come on, man. You can 580 00:38:42,660 --> 00:38:43,410 do it. Yeah. 581 00:38:43,710 --> 00:38:47,040 So I'm in. I'm in the loop. And I've never heard it. And when I 582 00:38:47,040 --> 00:38:51,960 heard it, I was like, Holy crap. What what is this term that she 583 00:38:51,960 --> 00:38:56,520 does use? I mean, it wasn't even her. It was a I forgot where I 584 00:38:56,520 --> 00:38:58,920 heard it. I heard it. I'm not clear. It was like a pundit 585 00:38:58,920 --> 00:39:01,830 talking or whatever. So I jotted it down. Oh, 586 00:39:01,830 --> 00:39:05,040 sure. It's, I'm sure that this I'm sure it's out there. I'm 587 00:39:05,040 --> 00:39:06,300 sure people are talking about it. 588 00:39:07,380 --> 00:39:12,300 But this goes back to the real black people or the real people. 589 00:39:12,810 --> 00:39:19,590 And real whatever, fill in the blank person that's non white. 590 00:39:20,010 --> 00:39:24,330 We don't use terms like this. No, this is stuff that circled 591 00:39:24,330 --> 00:39:29,370 around, you know, went to in the Help across academia, society, 592 00:39:29,370 --> 00:39:33,210 and it's like, ah, you know, contemplating, you know, my 593 00:39:33,210 --> 00:39:36,660 white fragility and, you know, I just really need to do more to 594 00:39:36,660 --> 00:39:37,920 give back to the, you know, 595 00:39:38,850 --> 00:39:41,640 yeah, I think I think these types of terms and concepts I 596 00:39:41,640 --> 00:39:44,430 think, hurt everybody. I don't think it's good. I don't think 597 00:39:44,430 --> 00:39:47,760 it has any positive awareness is always good. I think a lot of 598 00:39:47,760 --> 00:39:51,300 people are, you know, this person's racist or whatever, you 599 00:39:51,300 --> 00:39:55,050 know, ignorance is, I've discovered through, you know, 600 00:39:55,050 --> 00:39:58,110 just my friendship with you that ignorance just didn't know. 601 00:39:58,230 --> 00:40:00,690 Yeah, so there's a lot of things that may You'd come across as 602 00:40:00,690 --> 00:40:03,870 racist, but purely ignorance. And there's got to be some 603 00:40:03,870 --> 00:40:06,420 something in your heart or souls got to be there for it to truly 604 00:40:06,420 --> 00:40:10,860 be racist. And then, so you get these kind of compensation 605 00:40:10,860 --> 00:40:11,520 terms. 606 00:40:12,840 --> 00:40:18,900 So let's just revisit my definition of racism, which is 607 00:40:18,900 --> 00:40:24,780 just a form of nepotism. That's, that's how I see racism. So if 608 00:40:24,780 --> 00:40:29,550 you say, Adam, you know, you got your job, because your dad's the 609 00:40:29,670 --> 00:40:33,570 CEO of the company. Of course, you're going to rebut that in 610 00:40:33,570 --> 00:40:36,660 black. What I worked hard for where, you know, I worked hard 611 00:40:36,660 --> 00:40:40,470 for whatever position I have in this company. It's not just 612 00:40:40,470 --> 00:40:44,640 because my dad gave it to me. So that would be like, a form of 613 00:40:44,640 --> 00:40:47,670 not white fragility, but like nepotism fragility, because it's 614 00:40:47,670 --> 00:40:53,070 like, yeah, because it's like you're, you're invalidating all 615 00:40:53,070 --> 00:40:57,360 the workout done and the same simply because of what I am not 616 00:40:57,360 --> 00:40:58,980 who I am. I got the spot. 617 00:41:00,420 --> 00:41:02,610 Right. And it's it's purely an assumption. 618 00:41:03,420 --> 00:41:06,090 Right. So that's, I can understand the pushback. But 619 00:41:06,090 --> 00:41:09,660 it's like a trap. Yeah. Because when when you say somebody has a 620 00:41:09,660 --> 00:41:10,380 privilege, 621 00:41:10,410 --> 00:41:13,770 yeah. And then you say, No, I don't like Boom. Oh, yeah. 622 00:41:13,770 --> 00:41:16,830 Nailed him. Shit. I fell out of that one. It's like Lucy and the 623 00:41:16,830 --> 00:41:17,880 football twice. 624 00:41:18,240 --> 00:41:21,540 Is that Topher? It's like yeah, yeah, pray with the camera, 625 00:41:21,540 --> 00:41:26,580 Julie. fertility. Yeah, left in a hook. Which is a perfect trap. 626 00:41:26,610 --> 00:41:30,240 I mean, if that's what you set it up to be totally. So let's 627 00:41:30,240 --> 00:41:32,940 get into the third and final clip of this segment. 628 00:41:33,240 --> 00:41:36,420 In your research, and I read the first few chapters of white 629 00:41:36,420 --> 00:41:39,030 fragility, not all of it. Do you think most white people are 630 00:41:39,030 --> 00:41:41,130 racist? Without realizing it? Yes, 631 00:41:41,160 --> 00:41:45,270 I don't think it's possible to avoid absorbing racist worldview 632 00:41:45,270 --> 00:41:49,290 and racist biases, because they are circulating 24/7. In the 633 00:41:49,290 --> 00:41:51,510 culture, they're in the language. They're in the 634 00:41:51,510 --> 00:41:55,380 institutions. They're in the media and the film. They're in 635 00:41:55,410 --> 00:41:58,980 the overwhelmingly white teaching force and curriculum 636 00:41:58,980 --> 00:42:04,380 and the the centering of a white worldview, but positioning it as 637 00:42:04,380 --> 00:42:06,690 a universal human worldview ash. 638 00:42:10,200 --> 00:42:13,770 So what we're actually have missing from there is white 639 00:42:13,770 --> 00:42:22,260 supremacy. And that makes people recall, because it's like, I am 640 00:42:22,260 --> 00:42:26,520 not a white supremacy denier. Right. I believe it exists. But 641 00:42:26,520 --> 00:42:31,350 just like racism, I think people don't understand these terms 642 00:42:31,350 --> 00:42:35,370 that they use, and they use it incorrectly. And it does nobody 643 00:42:35,550 --> 00:42:40,410 any, any good to throw these terms around because it really 644 00:42:40,410 --> 00:42:47,190 like weakens the term. Definitely. I want to go back to 645 00:42:47,190 --> 00:42:54,180 throwback clip, just so we can define define what exactly. 646 00:42:54,570 --> 00:42:55,890 White supremacy is? 647 00:42:56,069 --> 00:43:00,359 Well, we are on a system of white supremacy. That's the most 648 00:43:00,359 --> 00:43:03,689 powerful government that the world has ever seen. And that's 649 00:43:03,689 --> 00:43:07,319 the title of it. By the way, it doesn't go by now the title even 650 00:43:07,319 --> 00:43:11,069 though we sometimes call it by other titles, but the accurate 651 00:43:11,069 --> 00:43:16,259 title for the government that we are under is in capital letters. 652 00:43:16,499 --> 00:43:21,269 The system of white supremacy worldwide is just one world 653 00:43:21,269 --> 00:43:25,289 government. And that's the only government and the only 654 00:43:25,289 --> 00:43:29,519 government on the planet that really counts. That is worthy of 655 00:43:29,519 --> 00:43:31,229 having a title of government. 656 00:43:32,069 --> 00:43:38,369 Yeah, I love this clip. It's a I think it's a true mo facts 657 00:43:38,369 --> 00:43:40,679 classic and break. I'm glad you brought that back again. That 658 00:43:40,679 --> 00:43:41,729 was a fuller, right. 659 00:43:42,239 --> 00:43:45,089 Yes. So when we talk about this thing, I want to make sure we 660 00:43:45,089 --> 00:43:50,489 use the correct definition. Some people call it the Illuminati, 661 00:43:50,489 --> 00:43:54,479 some people call it you know, other 662 00:43:54,690 --> 00:43:56,460 New World Order is he said, 663 00:43:57,210 --> 00:44:03,690 that's another one liberal world order. Yep. So but what these 664 00:44:04,590 --> 00:44:07,620 secret societies or wherever you want to call them are based off 665 00:44:07,620 --> 00:44:16,080 of our really bloodlines Correct? Yep. So I think we 666 00:44:16,080 --> 00:44:22,080 define white, this wrong. And we don't understand the origins of 667 00:44:22,080 --> 00:44:22,680 race. 668 00:44:24,330 --> 00:44:25,440 No, excellent point. 669 00:44:26,850 --> 00:44:33,420 So I have Miss Danielle Bainbridge from PBS, and she's 670 00:44:33,420 --> 00:44:38,070 gonna give us some history on the origins of race in the US. 671 00:44:38,310 --> 00:44:41,850 But these racial categorizations didn't always neatly align with 672 00:44:41,850 --> 00:44:45,060 skin tone, and his book whiteness of a different color, 673 00:44:45,060 --> 00:44:48,120 European immigrants and the alchemy of race. Historian 674 00:44:48,120 --> 00:44:51,660 Matthew Jacobson notes that in the US, white or Caucasian was 675 00:44:51,660 --> 00:44:55,260 not always considered a unified race. Composed of anyone of 676 00:44:55,260 --> 00:44:58,560 European descent. Whiteness was often considered exclusive to 677 00:44:58,560 --> 00:45:01,770 Anglo Saxon descendants. While other European groups were 678 00:45:01,770 --> 00:45:05,580 broken into different ethnic categories, such as CELT Slavs, 679 00:45:05,580 --> 00:45:09,150 I barracks, and Hebrews, which were considered separate races 680 00:45:09,150 --> 00:45:13,260 from the 1840s, to the early 20th century, but in the 1920s, 681 00:45:13,290 --> 00:45:16,410 when there was a stemming of immigration from Europe, these 682 00:45:16,410 --> 00:45:19,680 different races were subsumed into one category called 683 00:45:19,710 --> 00:45:23,190 whiteness to shore up a cultural majority against other racial 684 00:45:23,190 --> 00:45:26,070 groups and immigrants. And this persisted throughout the 20th 685 00:45:26,070 --> 00:45:29,250 century. So how does it all add up? Well, race started as a 686 00:45:29,250 --> 00:45:32,460 marker of kinship, but then we see it shift to become less 687 00:45:32,460 --> 00:45:35,760 about familial inheritance, and more focused on physical 688 00:45:35,760 --> 00:45:38,970 indicators, due to the rise of enlightenment reasoning and 689 00:45:38,970 --> 00:45:42,360 labor exploitation. But where does that leave us today? 690 00:45:43,320 --> 00:45:47,070 Yeah, this reminds me, I want you to delve into that this 691 00:45:47,070 --> 00:45:53,010 reminds me of a story, which that Barack Obama through 692 00:45:53,010 --> 00:45:56,010 bloodlines is related to George W. Bush. 693 00:45:57,660 --> 00:46:07,050 Which, which technically? He is passing for white, or could pass 694 00:46:07,050 --> 00:46:10,560 for white. Yes. I mean, we want to use the term of passing. And 695 00:46:10,560 --> 00:46:13,860 it's a couple of things. She said in that clip. One, she said 696 00:46:13,860 --> 00:46:18,870 whiteness or the term White was created to shore up a racial 697 00:46:18,870 --> 00:46:23,280 majority. Doesn't that sound eerily similar to what we're 698 00:46:23,280 --> 00:46:25,500 going through now when people 699 00:46:29,969 --> 00:46:33,809 kill him up? Yes, that's exactly what it is. Of course, this is 700 00:46:33,839 --> 00:46:35,729 this is beautiful, beautiful. 701 00:46:37,050 --> 00:46:41,430 And so then you have people wanting to pass and to 702 00:46:42,900 --> 00:46:44,280 white and whiteness. Yeah. And 703 00:46:44,280 --> 00:46:47,160 we we talked about talked about before it it wasn't about my 704 00:46:47,160 --> 00:46:49,410 origin or my size. This is interesting, 705 00:46:49,410 --> 00:46:56,130 because going back to what, what's your face said? Robyn 706 00:46:56,130 --> 00:47:01,950 D'Angelo which had protecting the hierarchy. Well, I can see 707 00:47:01,950 --> 00:47:05,250 where she may have a point there if you're talking about 708 00:47:05,250 --> 00:47:08,160 bloodline hierarchy. But of course, that doesn't make me 709 00:47:08,160 --> 00:47:11,160 white then, because I don't have the bloodline hierarchy. 710 00:47:12,840 --> 00:47:17,190 But once you were lumped into that racial majority, then yeah, 711 00:47:17,400 --> 00:47:21,780 it allows you certain privileges to be to move without being 712 00:47:21,780 --> 00:47:25,530 accosted, or when we're talking about right after slavery or 713 00:47:25,530 --> 00:47:28,770 doing slavery. We're not talking about now. Yeah. So if you 714 00:47:28,770 --> 00:47:33,270 appeared and a lot of black, black people that passed J Edgar 715 00:47:33,270 --> 00:47:36,480 Hoover, you know, he was allowed to move if he was seen as a 716 00:47:36,480 --> 00:47:39,510 black man, and he was doing what he was doing and for spying on 717 00:47:39,510 --> 00:47:43,560 people. And he went and got that far. Not certainly not in the 718 00:47:43,560 --> 00:47:47,610 day. No. So he took advantage of passing to take advantage of 719 00:47:47,610 --> 00:47:52,860 that privilege. But it's, it's a it's a very fluid thing. And 720 00:47:52,860 --> 00:47:56,100 when we say white, they don't, most people don't even 721 00:47:56,130 --> 00:47:59,880 understand what that means. It means that you're part of a 722 00:47:59,910 --> 00:48:03,990 superior class. And the coolest thing that we have to white 723 00:48:04,020 --> 00:48:10,620 nowadays, it still still exists is the monarchy. Yeah. And in 724 00:48:10,620 --> 00:48:20,370 Great Britain. Yep. That that is literally white. And even you 725 00:48:20,370 --> 00:48:21,990 know what I'm talking about mix it. 726 00:48:22,890 --> 00:48:24,900 Megan, Megan Megan Markel. 727 00:48:25,650 --> 00:48:31,530 She couldn't pass to be white. Right. Even though she was up 728 00:48:31,530 --> 00:48:32,820 here to beat me if you didn't. 729 00:48:34,080 --> 00:48:36,330 That's why she had to go. Had to get rid of her. 730 00:48:37,230 --> 00:48:38,730 Right. Or she couldn't. 731 00:48:38,969 --> 00:48:41,909 She couldn't handle she couldn't. She didn't pass the 732 00:48:41,909 --> 00:48:43,679 passing test. So you gotta go because it 733 00:48:43,680 --> 00:48:47,910 wasn't about skin color. I mean, it may hit on it on the surface. 734 00:48:47,910 --> 00:48:53,340 Maybe But no, it was like you don't come from this. Right. 735 00:48:53,700 --> 00:48:56,520 And then then and then life yeah. And then the Queen went 736 00:48:56,520 --> 00:48:59,610 Hold on a second that that redhead isn't one of ours 737 00:48:59,610 --> 00:49:00,990 either. Get him out. 738 00:49:01,710 --> 00:49:06,990 Both of them couldn't pass. Yeah, no way. So that you white 739 00:49:06,990 --> 00:49:11,370 is a very exclusive club. The tech the real textbook 740 00:49:11,400 --> 00:49:14,730 technical, right. And if you could do me a favor? Could you 741 00:49:14,730 --> 00:49:19,320 play like the last 2030 seconds of clip number 13. One more 742 00:49:19,320 --> 00:49:22,680 time. I just want to define what we're talking about when we say 743 00:49:23,400 --> 00:49:24,450 when I say why. 744 00:49:25,380 --> 00:49:30,030 Okay, the last 30 seconds, sure thing, Celt, 745 00:49:30,210 --> 00:49:33,900 slobs, I barracks and Hebrews, which were considered separate 746 00:49:33,900 --> 00:49:37,650 races from the 1840s to the early 20th century. But in the 747 00:49:37,650 --> 00:49:41,160 1920s when there was a stemming of immigration from Europe, 748 00:49:41,280 --> 00:49:44,550 these different races were subsumed into one category 749 00:49:44,550 --> 00:49:48,150 called whiteness to shore up a cultural majority against other 750 00:49:48,150 --> 00:49:50,880 racial groups and immigrants. And this persisted throughout 751 00:49:50,880 --> 00:49:54,270 the 20th century. So how does it all add up? Well, race started 752 00:49:54,270 --> 00:49:57,720 as a marker of kinship, but then we see it shift to become less 753 00:49:57,720 --> 00:50:01,020 about familial inheritance and more focused on physical 754 00:50:01,020 --> 00:50:04,230 indicators due to the rise of enlightenment reasoning and 755 00:50:04,230 --> 00:50:07,590 labor exploitation. But where does that leave us today? 756 00:50:10,469 --> 00:50:13,649 So when I say that term, I'm talking about familiar 757 00:50:13,649 --> 00:50:19,889 inheritance, which Barack Obama is, is by that definition white? 758 00:50:20,069 --> 00:50:26,849 Yeah, yeah. Yeah. And I'm Megan Markel is not or, or even a 759 00:50:27,599 --> 00:50:32,879 Prince Harry is not quite correct. So I just want to lay 760 00:50:32,879 --> 00:50:33,509 things out. 761 00:50:33,540 --> 00:50:36,540 It's, it's, it's a mind bender. But yeah, these are the two 762 00:50:36,540 --> 00:50:39,930 definitions. But this is exactly what happens over the ages, and 763 00:50:39,930 --> 00:50:43,080 doesn't even take that long, the meanings change, they get kind 764 00:50:43,080 --> 00:50:46,050 of smoothed over becomes an acceptable term. So I'm gonna 765 00:50:46,050 --> 00:50:49,020 throw something out there it sticks. And then before you know 766 00:50:49,020 --> 00:50:52,650 it, it's all changed. And that mean, Words matter? And words 767 00:50:52,650 --> 00:50:53,190 matter. 768 00:50:53,670 --> 00:50:58,560 That's just like when you say black? Yeah, black 30 years ago. 769 00:50:58,890 --> 00:51:04,290 So I'm totally different than it meant that it means now, you 770 00:51:04,290 --> 00:51:08,580 have to have a I digress. But I just wanted to lay that out. So 771 00:51:09,150 --> 00:51:13,710 when we talk about the term white, we understand what we're 772 00:51:13,710 --> 00:51:18,240 saying and what people have proximity to and trying to align 773 00:51:18,240 --> 00:51:21,390 themselves with. It's not it's not a pigment of your skin or 774 00:51:21,390 --> 00:51:25,620 color your skin, but it's this power structure that people want 775 00:51:25,620 --> 00:51:31,770 to tap into. But one guy that always tells the truth is Mr. 776 00:51:31,770 --> 00:51:34,140 Dick Gregory, and I don't have to ask you if you know, 777 00:51:34,140 --> 00:51:37,530 of course, of course. Of course. I love Dick Gregory, of course. 778 00:51:38,550 --> 00:51:43,260 Gregory is going to explain white supremacy versus white 779 00:51:43,260 --> 00:51:43,890 privilege. 780 00:51:44,250 --> 00:51:47,040 The one of the things a lot of people will commenting on and 781 00:51:47,490 --> 00:51:51,120 after watching your videos, they want to know what your thoughts 782 00:51:51,120 --> 00:51:54,480 are on the difference between white supremacy and white 783 00:51:54,480 --> 00:51:55,260 privilege. 784 00:51:56,310 --> 00:52:00,120 White supremacy, people who got white primacy get killed by 785 00:52:00,120 --> 00:52:03,900 white supremacy, people who have white privilege still have to go 786 00:52:03,900 --> 00:52:09,300 to the military. The big folks don't go white supreme, they 787 00:52:09,300 --> 00:52:14,280 just break the word down. White and I'm supreme. It didn't say 788 00:52:14,280 --> 00:52:20,910 supreme to Nick us. Supreme to anybody who ate my blood. 789 00:52:21,990 --> 00:52:26,010 Simple. So good question, you guys. And thank God you shut up 790 00:52:26,010 --> 00:52:27,300 long enough to hear and answer. 791 00:52:30,239 --> 00:52:34,019 Is that one of the last one of these YouTube videos? I 792 00:52:34,019 --> 00:52:36,479 remember, it's just Pete When that first came out people like 793 00:52:36,479 --> 00:52:39,479 what? And who is this guy? Like? Yeah, let's do 794 00:52:39,660 --> 00:52:43,740 it. Gregor. He always beats up on the interview. I mean, like, 795 00:52:45,210 --> 00:52:51,660 trademark. So but as he said, it's about bloodline, that they 796 00:52:51,660 --> 00:52:56,550 have no PDF, send them poor, quote, unquote, and I'm gonna 797 00:52:56,550 --> 00:52:59,190 use this term because I use it for blacks, quote, unquote, 798 00:52:59,190 --> 00:53:02,520 white people to go dark for whatever reason. Yeah, I mean, 799 00:53:02,520 --> 00:53:06,840 they just whatever you say, It furthers I won't send my son or 800 00:53:06,840 --> 00:53:11,940 daughter Some do, but majority now. We're above that. We don't 801 00:53:11,940 --> 00:53:18,270 do that. And I hope at the end of this podcast, hopefully it 802 00:53:18,270 --> 00:53:22,590 didn't take that long. But we realized that we're all in the 803 00:53:22,590 --> 00:53:24,720 same boat. Yeah, exactly. 804 00:53:24,810 --> 00:53:28,740 Unless you're supreme. If you're out there and you're supreme, 805 00:53:28,770 --> 00:53:31,560 you should stop listening. The only get worse. 806 00:53:32,850 --> 00:53:37,860 Or use that privilege. Right, exactly. Yeah. Spread the word. 807 00:53:39,090 --> 00:53:43,290 But the Gregory's doing such a great job. Let's let's let's let 808 00:53:43,290 --> 00:53:44,070 him continue. 809 00:53:44,580 --> 00:53:52,710 Called the answer is in the name of the richest man in the world. 810 00:53:53,670 --> 00:53:59,580 They don't have to ask why he's in what I told them. what I'm 811 00:54:01,350 --> 00:54:05,220 calling a little bit see white in a color. Most of the only 812 00:54:05,220 --> 00:54:08,370 never met a white white person. They never met a white person. 813 00:54:12,030 --> 00:54:16,590 White not a colles attitude. And if you ain't got trillions of 814 00:54:16,590 --> 00:54:19,920 dollars in the bank, you can't have the attitude. 815 00:54:20,969 --> 00:54:25,529 Here's the thing. I've actually met her. Really? I met the 816 00:54:25,529 --> 00:54:30,419 Queen. Yes. I met her at the palace. You didn't know that? 817 00:54:31,140 --> 00:54:34,620 I did not. I learned something new. Every show. Wow. 818 00:54:34,680 --> 00:54:38,550 Yeah, they picked me up. And they actually if you look at 819 00:54:38,670 --> 00:54:43,140 Buckingham Palace, right through the front gates, and now it was 820 00:54:43,140 --> 00:54:46,680 not the only person it was for. It was for the relaunch of Her 821 00:54:46,830 --> 00:54:51,660 Royal Highness his website. But still it was it was only like a 822 00:54:51,660 --> 00:54:54,840 handful. It wasn't it wasn't like hundreds of people. And I 823 00:54:54,840 --> 00:54:58,050 was in the line and yeah, and I said hi and I had already 824 00:54:58,470 --> 00:55:01,200 decided I was going to look her straight nei Anna was not going 825 00:55:01,200 --> 00:55:04,320 to bow at Nationals. She's standing on a box because she's 826 00:55:04,320 --> 00:55:09,930 four feet nine or something. And I shake her hand is glove. And I 827 00:55:09,930 --> 00:55:14,970 look her in the eye and you know what I saw? slits? Nothing man. 828 00:55:15,300 --> 00:55:20,130 Dark, just nothing, nothing at all. I was looking to see if the 829 00:55:20,130 --> 00:55:21,960 eyes would like go reptile, but they didn't. 830 00:55:21,989 --> 00:55:23,369 That's what I was saying asleep. No, I 831 00:55:23,370 --> 00:55:25,560 know. I know. I know what you're saying for the 832 00:55:25,559 --> 00:55:32,519 for the people out here. So you're wondering few people to 833 00:55:32,519 --> 00:55:33,959 actually met a real white person, 834 00:55:34,020 --> 00:55:39,570 an actual white person? Yes. And severely unimpressive. To be 835 00:55:39,570 --> 00:55:42,990 honest. I mean, I don't want to insult anybody. But I wasn't 836 00:55:42,990 --> 00:55:47,760 like, oh, this got some sheen. I mean, I'm Steve Jobs. Quincy 837 00:55:47,760 --> 00:55:51,330 Jones, I put those way higher on the list than to them the queen. 838 00:55:52,650 --> 00:55:56,610 Now I'm about to blow your mind here. All right. You could tell 839 00:55:56,610 --> 00:56:00,690 that story in a different way. And use your proximity to 840 00:56:00,690 --> 00:56:08,460 whiteness to become supreme. Well, to use the privilege, 841 00:56:09,480 --> 00:56:15,000 and I can now now I can say yes. And I deserve that privilege. 842 00:56:15,090 --> 00:56:20,250 And I'm going to put you on your place. Okay, this is an 843 00:56:20,430 --> 00:56:22,740 unexpected twist. All right, I'm ready. 844 00:56:23,219 --> 00:56:27,959 So now we're starting to get the people use these terms do it's 845 00:56:28,019 --> 00:56:32,189 not white fragility that was made up. But um, why white 846 00:56:32,189 --> 00:56:35,279 privilege, white supremacy, these things do exist, but 847 00:56:35,279 --> 00:56:38,069 people don't have whom we are accusing the wrong people of 848 00:56:38,069 --> 00:56:41,369 having it. That's the real problem. And if we excuse the 849 00:56:41,369 --> 00:56:45,179 right people, then we could get the those people out of power. 850 00:56:45,480 --> 00:56:47,850 And we can make the world a better place. 851 00:56:49,050 --> 00:56:56,310 Is that so we have Mr. DeRay Mckesson from Black Lives Matter 852 00:56:56,310 --> 00:57:02,250 and his little blue vest of fame. He's gonna give his take 853 00:57:02,250 --> 00:57:05,250 on whiteness, white supremacy and privilege. 854 00:57:05,430 --> 00:57:06,570 What's the difference between 855 00:57:06,570 --> 00:57:09,690 whiteness and white supremacy. White supremacy is a system that 856 00:57:09,690 --> 00:57:12,660 says that white people are the are the norm or normative are 857 00:57:12,660 --> 00:57:15,750 worth more and are valued at the expense of others. And we think 858 00:57:15,750 --> 00:57:18,720 about a culture that that idea spawned that is whiteness, and 859 00:57:18,720 --> 00:57:22,110 then we think about white people as people who benefit from the 860 00:57:22,110 --> 00:57:24,630 system, white supremacy, whether they participate in it actively 861 00:57:24,630 --> 00:57:27,420 are not. And part of this work is about helping people 862 00:57:27,420 --> 00:57:31,350 understand that. Allies and accomplices are people who like 863 00:57:31,380 --> 00:57:33,390 understand the work, they understand that there's like an 864 00:57:33,390 --> 00:57:37,980 issue in understanding why privilege says that I get that I 865 00:57:37,980 --> 00:57:41,010 participate in a dominant culture. And I benefit from a 866 00:57:41,010 --> 00:57:43,050 system of white supremacy whether I've done something 867 00:57:43,050 --> 00:57:45,750 supremacist or not. In that is like a personal 868 00:57:45,750 --> 00:57:50,310 recognition. Right? Yes, all wrong. 869 00:57:50,339 --> 00:57:52,769 Yes. No kidding. 870 00:57:54,750 --> 00:57:57,660 That's why I wanted to play these two clips back to black, 871 00:57:58,050 --> 00:58:03,570 back to back. So you get here. One guy say most white people 872 00:58:03,570 --> 00:58:06,450 don't know a white person. And this guy said, Oh, it's the 873 00:58:06,450 --> 00:58:10,500 norm. No, it's not. That's what makes no no, it's not the norm. 874 00:58:11,340 --> 00:58:14,820 In the sense that how he's saying it. That's what makes us 875 00:58:14,820 --> 00:58:18,870 special. That's what makes people Kirksey. In, not Jasmine. 876 00:58:18,870 --> 00:58:19,410 Yes, 877 00:58:19,440 --> 00:58:24,990 thank you. You've just answered one of my biggest questions. I 878 00:58:24,990 --> 00:58:29,370 did not expect this. One of my big questions having lived in 879 00:58:29,370 --> 00:58:32,820 the Netherlands, the Kingdom of the Netherlands, having lived in 880 00:58:32,940 --> 00:58:37,800 the Kingdom, the United Kingdom of the Queen's and Elizabeth's 881 00:58:37,800 --> 00:58:43,980 and all that. I've always wondered, why do seemingly 882 00:58:43,980 --> 00:58:48,960 rational people who have who speak of science and you know, 883 00:58:49,620 --> 00:58:56,250 hate new billionaires? Now why do they kowtow to these ugly 884 00:58:56,250 --> 00:58:59,640 people who live in the biggest houses in the middle of your 885 00:58:59,640 --> 00:59:05,250 cities with funny hats? And say, Oh, it's just tradition, because 886 00:59:05,250 --> 00:59:10,320 they truly are the privilege. They are the supreme white 887 00:59:10,320 --> 00:59:11,070 beings. 888 00:59:12,180 --> 00:59:17,250 And why are that why are they the privilege? The blood? The 889 00:59:17,250 --> 00:59:21,210 blood? The lineage? Yep, that's right. It's what you're 890 00:59:21,210 --> 00:59:23,460 respecting. That's right. 891 00:59:26,580 --> 00:59:29,970 Thank you again, I gotta remember this. You're respecting 892 00:59:29,970 --> 00:59:35,190 the bloodline. And then I was throwing of the lizard people or 893 00:59:35,190 --> 00:59:38,220 whatever, I can say Illuminati or I could throw in something 894 00:59:38,220 --> 00:59:43,950 else. But yeah, that and yeah, yes. Thank you Mo. 895 00:59:45,480 --> 00:59:48,990 do is they say Well, I kind of look like noon. 896 00:59:49,320 --> 00:59:53,790 So therefore, you must be just like him. And as we know, my 897 00:59:53,790 --> 00:59:58,830 personal experience is these people are nothing like us. Not 898 00:59:58,830 --> 00:59:59,970 like me and not like you 899 01:00:00,659 --> 01:00:02,819 And they'll tell you that. Yeah. Oh, yeah, they'll 900 01:00:02,820 --> 01:00:05,370 make sure you know, just the way they touch me. 901 01:00:05,460 --> 01:00:09,300 Don't touch this. Imagine a human being is like, No, you 902 01:00:09,300 --> 01:00:13,590 cannot touch me. Yeah, that's the ultimate privilege. It's 903 01:00:13,590 --> 01:00:16,620 like you don't even you want to hand me something put a glove on 904 01:00:16,620 --> 01:00:18,120 that nasty commoner hand. 905 01:00:19,980 --> 01:00:24,900 commoner has nice. Wow. All right. So then what happened man 906 01:00:24,900 --> 01:00:27,570 went, I guess they were really smart. And they said, Hey, I 907 01:00:27,570 --> 01:00:30,060 know. Well, that's kind of what the previous clip said. But I 908 01:00:30,060 --> 01:00:36,960 know we'll be able to operate out in the open for secret out 909 01:00:36,960 --> 01:00:40,500 in the open by making everybody else white. 910 01:00:42,120 --> 01:00:45,630 And let's bring it to modern day times when you have this 911 01:00:45,630 --> 01:00:52,230 hodgepodge of different shades of brown people. See, they will 912 01:00:52,230 --> 01:00:56,580 love let's say, let's just call them EQ. Oh, no, they can't say 913 01:00:56,580 --> 01:00:59,430 that colored people can't say black. They can't say brown 914 01:00:59,430 --> 01:01:02,820 because these things mean something we can come up with a 915 01:01:02,820 --> 01:01:07,440 term to create a political majority. That's what they said 916 01:01:07,470 --> 01:01:12,210 reason why they brought a lot of the immigrants in your opinion. 917 01:01:12,750 --> 01:01:16,050 Yeah, we're doing the same thing. It's it's the left is 918 01:01:16,050 --> 01:01:19,950 just repeating what happened on the on in previous history. 919 01:01:19,980 --> 01:01:26,610 That's That's all we're doing. Oh, so let's let derail my cast 920 01:01:26,610 --> 01:01:27,300 and finish up. 921 01:01:27,840 --> 01:01:30,810 We want people to take that personal recognition, step 922 01:01:30,810 --> 01:01:33,660 further and say like, what are the systemic things that 923 01:01:33,660 --> 01:01:36,600 actually create this privilege in the first place, and we want 924 01:01:36,600 --> 01:01:39,060 them to fight at that level. That's what accomplices do. But 925 01:01:39,060 --> 01:01:41,850 I wanted to tweet a lot this phrase watch whiteness work. So 926 01:01:41,850 --> 01:01:44,190 if you were to just summarize and like a sentence, what is 927 01:01:44,190 --> 01:01:46,530 your message to the white community and white people, 928 01:01:46,710 --> 01:01:49,380 white people are going to organize themselves, have to 929 01:01:49,380 --> 01:01:53,730 join solidarity, work with people of color, and have to use 930 01:01:53,730 --> 01:01:56,850 personal experiences to think about how systems allow 931 01:01:56,850 --> 01:02:01,980 privilege to manifest at the personal level. Yeah, 932 01:02:02,550 --> 01:02:08,940 why would they want to do that? It makes no sense. Wow. True 933 01:02:08,940 --> 01:02:09,540 white people. 934 01:02:11,820 --> 01:02:18,720 DeRay Mckesson is clearly a white supremacist. He's in. He's 935 01:02:18,720 --> 01:02:19,650 in on the game. 936 01:02:20,550 --> 01:02:25,710 It's funded by a white person. Soros. Yeah, 937 01:02:25,740 --> 01:02:28,530 there you go. That's what I'm saying. It's um, so 938 01:02:28,530 --> 01:02:32,070 this is yeah, this is just he's propped up to say, oh, yeah, 939 01:02:32,070 --> 01:02:35,010 we're doing something. Yeah. But they know it's not going to be 940 01:02:35,010 --> 01:02:38,430 effective. But it's like, we have to do something. So I know 941 01:02:38,430 --> 01:02:40,200 when everybody's saying well, I thought we were going to talk 942 01:02:40,200 --> 01:02:43,020 about white fragility. We that's what we're talking about. Now. 943 01:02:43,050 --> 01:02:43,830 We just have 944 01:02:44,010 --> 01:02:46,650 I'm not complaining. I'm having a good time. I'm liking it. I'm 945 01:02:46,650 --> 01:02:52,050 just saying we have the layout. The term one. White is two words 946 01:02:52,050 --> 01:02:55,920 white in that fragility. So we've defined the white part. 947 01:02:56,160 --> 01:03:02,310 Yes. Or demystified it because people use that term completely 948 01:03:02,310 --> 01:03:06,930 wrong. But now we're gonna get into the fragility part. All 949 01:03:06,930 --> 01:03:10,560 right, so I was listening to one of my favorite YouTube channels 950 01:03:10,590 --> 01:03:15,420 essence. And they had a thing about fighting racism and white 951 01:03:15,420 --> 01:03:19,560 supremacy in the air on Trump era. And they had some tweets 952 01:03:20,280 --> 01:03:24,450 that kind of defined what white fragility sounds like. 953 01:03:25,350 --> 01:03:28,560 We asked you on social media, What have your experiences been 954 01:03:28,560 --> 01:03:31,710 like when talking to white people about race? And here's 955 01:03:31,710 --> 01:03:35,430 what you said. While Raven three tweeted often I get called a 956 01:03:35,430 --> 01:03:38,550 racist for calling out racial issues, always met with 957 01:03:38,550 --> 01:03:41,640 deflection denial and defensiveness. Keep it moving. 958 01:03:41,640 --> 01:03:45,090 1114 wrote, most telling me slavery is over. And why am I 959 01:03:45,090 --> 01:03:47,790 still so angry? Some white people don't realize that they 960 01:03:47,790 --> 01:03:51,540 still benefit from the wealth of their ancestors. And they by 961 01:03:51,540 --> 01:03:57,090 nature said simply, they just don't get it. Who, huh? Those 962 01:03:57,090 --> 01:03:59,550 are some really interesting comments. What are you all? 963 01:04:01,620 --> 01:04:05,250 So these are people interacting with, quote, unquote, white 964 01:04:05,250 --> 01:04:10,500 people, and they're experiencing the pushback of white fragility 965 01:04:10,500 --> 01:04:13,290 against them when they call them out. So that's what that's what 966 01:04:13,290 --> 01:04:23,430 you just heard. So now we're gonna get into debunking the 967 01:04:23,430 --> 01:04:26,250 myths of white people, white people tell about race. 968 01:04:27,210 --> 01:04:29,850 I'll never forget a moment of standing beside a black man 969 01:04:29,850 --> 01:04:33,360 leading a workshop on race and a white woman said to him, I don't 970 01:04:33,360 --> 01:04:36,000 see color, which said, well, then how are you going to see 971 01:04:36,000 --> 01:04:40,290 racism because I am black. I do think you know that, and I have 972 01:04:40,290 --> 01:04:43,110 a different experience than you do. And you're not going to be 973 01:04:43,110 --> 01:04:45,210 able to understand that and you're not going to be able to 974 01:04:45,210 --> 01:04:47,850 support the parts of that experience that are really 975 01:04:47,850 --> 01:04:51,390 painful and problematic. If you refuse to acknowledge my 976 01:04:51,390 --> 01:04:56,220 reality. I don't see color is really a way of saying I refuse 977 01:04:56,220 --> 01:04:58,170 to acknowledge your reality. 978 01:05:03,030 --> 01:05:09,330 Yeah, well, again, I think it's just ignorance. That's it. And 979 01:05:09,330 --> 01:05:13,890 it's it comes from a defensive, you know, as a white person 980 01:05:13,920 --> 01:05:17,970 amongst white people, you're on the defensive all the time. 981 01:05:19,439 --> 01:05:25,649 But Witten isn't that what Dr. King was pushing for? I'm not 982 01:05:25,649 --> 01:05:30,209 naive. What I'm saying is if you use the left rhetoric, and 983 01:05:30,209 --> 01:05:30,719 they're 984 01:05:31,920 --> 01:05:34,410 No, of course, the way they king as 985 01:05:34,410 --> 01:05:37,830 a control mechanism, we talked about this on the on the MLK 986 01:05:37,830 --> 01:05:42,030 show, he's using a control mechanism. So it's like, you 987 01:05:42,030 --> 01:05:47,610 know, one world and we're all we want to be judged by content, 988 01:05:47,610 --> 01:05:50,940 our character and not the color of our skin. So wouldn't a goal 989 01:05:50,940 --> 01:05:55,650 to be not to see color? I would judge you off of who you are, 990 01:05:55,650 --> 01:05:59,400 how you talk, how you carry yourself, you know, you're off 991 01:05:59,400 --> 01:06:02,430 your capabilities and qualifications. Yeah, well, 992 01:06:02,730 --> 01:06:09,120 okay, let me try this one on for size. Okay. Because a white 993 01:06:09,120 --> 01:06:14,550 person, or just say, you know, a light skinned person, in the 994 01:06:14,550 --> 01:06:16,800 context of what we're talking about isn't, you know, that's 995 01:06:16,800 --> 01:06:22,710 not white people, white person or white person. In that context 996 01:06:22,740 --> 01:06:27,270 with Martin Luther King, it sounds like it's a good idea. 997 01:06:27,570 --> 01:06:33,240 It's like, okay, I heard that by the color of his skin, by the 998 01:06:33,720 --> 01:06:41,040 best character. And so it's a logical leap. But that means 999 01:06:41,040 --> 01:06:43,620 that you figured it out, you know, so we had to put you back 1000 01:06:43,620 --> 01:06:46,680 in your place. yt, we got to say, no, no, you can't figure 1001 01:06:46,680 --> 01:06:49,500 out that color doesn't matter. So we got to give you something. 1002 01:06:49,530 --> 01:06:56,280 This is a long term propaganda of terms where people start 1003 01:06:56,280 --> 01:06:58,590 using something then we got to push it down again, because we 1004 01:06:58,590 --> 01:07:01,320 found it's, I think it's ultimately all about control. 1005 01:07:03,150 --> 01:07:09,240 I totally agree. And the control mechanism is we have to keep one 1006 01:07:09,240 --> 01:07:14,310 group in their victimization mentality. And in order to do 1007 01:07:14,310 --> 01:07:18,990 that, you have to lay with them a color them self identify as 1008 01:07:18,990 --> 01:07:22,350 that color. And then you had to get the white people to buy and 1009 01:07:22,350 --> 01:07:25,890 say, no, no, no, no, no, you cannot not see them as a color 1010 01:07:26,190 --> 01:07:29,820 for this for this scheme to work. It's wrong again. Why do 1011 01:07:31,380 --> 01:07:36,030 you have to be black? Yeah. By the definition that we label 1012 01:07:36,030 --> 01:07:39,330 black or a colored person or color, however you want to call 1013 01:07:39,330 --> 01:07:44,010 it? And then you have Adam, you have to be white. You have to 1014 01:07:44,040 --> 01:07:49,440 you have to see the colors. Yes. For this whole we can't come 1015 01:07:49,440 --> 01:07:53,130 together have this conversation. No, no, there's got to see it. 1016 01:07:54,810 --> 01:08:01,890 Gotta constantly be reminded. Yeah, so it's despicable really. 1017 01:08:02,820 --> 01:08:05,730 And even a black friend won't save you 1018 01:08:07,590 --> 01:08:10,950 what's important about that narrative is it reveals what the 1019 01:08:10,950 --> 01:08:16,170 person thinks racism is so if the person is using proximity 1020 01:08:16,230 --> 01:08:20,970 fondness across race as evidence of a lack of racism in order for 1021 01:08:20,970 --> 01:08:24,390 that to be good evidence a racist must not be able to do 1022 01:08:24,390 --> 01:08:27,000 that so that rests on an understanding that a racist 1023 01:08:27,000 --> 01:08:30,150 cannot tolerate proximity to people of color and I'm hoping 1024 01:08:30,150 --> 01:08:33,690 that we can see that's pretty absurd because trust me even 1025 01:08:33,690 --> 01:08:37,650 about races can tolerate being around people of color and often 1026 01:08:37,680 --> 01:08:38,130 are. 1027 01:08:41,010 --> 01:08:45,900 Here's what I often say. They said I do a podcast with a black 1028 01:08:45,900 --> 01:08:49,020 man I mean don't have the camera on or anything but I do the 1029 01:08:49,020 --> 01:08:58,890 podcast with him this is This is really embarrassing to hear some 1030 01:08:58,890 --> 01:09:03,360 of this stuff. The knots people twist themselves in on all sides 1031 01:09:03,390 --> 01:09:06,420 just to conform with the fucking control mechanism. It's it's 1032 01:09:06,420 --> 01:09:08,880 mind blowing I hadn't really thought about it this deeply. 1033 01:09:09,630 --> 01:09:14,010 Well, I found this interesting product that you can get Adam 1034 01:09:14,010 --> 01:09:17,520 when you find yourself in that situation. Oh, it's called 1035 01:09:17,520 --> 01:09:18,810 racism insurance. 1036 01:09:19,230 --> 01:09:25,830 Oh, well this is groovy. I can I can I can barely afford health 1037 01:09:25,830 --> 01:09:28,260 insurance now I need racism insurance. 1038 01:09:28,980 --> 01:09:32,850 Well, there's an eyesore jingle that tells you exactly what that 1039 01:09:32,850 --> 01:09:33,300 is. 1040 01:09:33,750 --> 01:09:37,350 Oops, I was raised as black I come here. Thank God for racism 1041 01:09:37,350 --> 01:09:41,160 insurance there when you need it most racism insurance 1042 01:09:46,230 --> 01:09:48,330 when you find yourself in that jam, yes. 1043 01:09:51,510 --> 01:09:55,590 Racism insurance. Have you ever seen Kentucky Fried movie? 1044 01:09:56,550 --> 01:09:59,490 No, I haven't. Yeah, you should. If you 1045 01:09:59,490 --> 01:10:01,950 have a chance Watch it on Netflix one of these days and 1046 01:10:01,950 --> 01:10:04,980 then we should talk about it some interesting students in 1047 01:10:04,980 --> 01:10:07,500 there. Yeah, just to remind me of the racism and I don't want 1048 01:10:07,500 --> 01:10:08,580 to blow the scene but 1049 01:10:08,820 --> 01:10:12,360 yeah, right. Right. Right. But yeah, that's that's when the 1050 01:10:12,360 --> 01:10:15,030 black friend won't work. Yeah, go out and run out and get 1051 01:10:15,030 --> 01:10:16,440 yourself some racism insurance. 1052 01:10:18,270 --> 01:10:20,400 Right. Oh, my God racism Sharon's. 1053 01:10:22,350 --> 01:10:27,810 So she goes on to say that it's actually race that divides us. 1054 01:10:27,930 --> 01:10:31,320 First of all, we're already divided by race. And focusing on 1055 01:10:31,320 --> 01:10:34,860 races is not what did it I would say, not focusing on race, 1056 01:10:34,860 --> 01:10:39,360 refusing to grapple with how race shapes virtually everything 1057 01:10:39,390 --> 01:10:44,040 is what keeps us divided. And that is a very white narrative, 1058 01:10:44,100 --> 01:10:48,990 all of those narratives function to get race off the table, close 1059 01:10:48,990 --> 01:10:52,560 the exploration, exempt the person from any further 1060 01:10:52,560 --> 01:10:55,890 engagement, and protect the racial hierarchy in the white 1061 01:10:55,890 --> 01:10:59,640 position with it, which is an unequal hierarchy. The challenge 1062 01:10:59,640 --> 01:11:04,260 I want to offer my fellow white people is changing the question 1063 01:11:04,260 --> 01:11:09,960 from if to how so dominant culture asks if I'm racist, and 1064 01:11:09,960 --> 01:11:14,490 I want to change that question to how have I been shaped by the 1065 01:11:14,490 --> 01:11:15,090 forces of 1066 01:11:15,090 --> 01:11:21,420 racism? Now, she threw, like a curveball at the end. I thought 1067 01:11:21,420 --> 01:11:24,390 was going to be how am I racist? But then it was almost like and 1068 01:11:24,390 --> 01:11:26,640 she said something completely different. I wasn't expecting 1069 01:11:26,640 --> 01:11:30,060 that became a whole exercise. Hold on, let me say it and 1070 01:11:30,060 --> 01:11:30,300 here's 1071 01:11:30,720 --> 01:11:34,380 how have I been shaped by the forces of racist? How 1072 01:11:34,380 --> 01:11:37,350 have I been shaped by the forces of racism? 1073 01:11:38,160 --> 01:11:41,790 How translation How have you been made racist? 1074 01:11:42,750 --> 01:11:47,070 Oh, by other white people telling you so. So 1075 01:11:47,070 --> 01:11:51,360 I want to make it clear. And one nice, long, I mean, I had to 1076 01:11:51,360 --> 01:11:56,880 watch so many seminars and retraining re education. Jesus 1077 01:11:56,880 --> 01:11:57,390 Christ. 1078 01:11:58,050 --> 01:12:01,110 No, I rarely hear you take the Lord's name in vain. 1079 01:12:02,670 --> 01:12:06,750 Man, I was like, ah, is it gonna ever end I was thought I thought 1080 01:12:06,750 --> 01:12:10,680 I was gonna have white fragility there for a minute from the RE 1081 01:12:10,680 --> 01:12:13,980 education and she was sick. I mean, they had these people in 1082 01:12:13,980 --> 01:12:18,750 these rooms like make their buy in like, oh, this by 1083 01:12:18,750 --> 01:12:24,180 the way, I put a pin in this one. He said I would love to do 1084 01:12:24,180 --> 01:12:28,020 a show if we can pull it together about training, 1085 01:12:28,290 --> 01:12:33,840 diversity training. You know, the corporate stuff it's every 1086 01:12:33,840 --> 01:12:37,770 company has it and I think there's a lot there that could 1087 01:12:37,770 --> 01:12:41,910 be really good, but a lot that could be damaging for all 1088 01:12:42,900 --> 01:12:45,510 and this is the type of person they were bring in. She wrote a 1089 01:12:45,510 --> 01:12:48,570 book on it and yeah, what was her name? I actually watched it 1090 01:12:48,570 --> 01:12:53,880 her name is Audrey had asked me again, the Angelo 1091 01:12:53,940 --> 01:12:57,270 Oh, that was that was that was the same woman Robyn D'Angelo. 1092 01:12:57,930 --> 01:13:01,260 It's all Robin got all her. All her 1093 01:13:01,290 --> 01:13:03,540 kid a troublemaker? Yeah. 1094 01:13:03,570 --> 01:13:07,500 So they bring her in. And she does these reeducation. 1095 01:13:07,650 --> 01:13:12,210 Oh, wow. reeducation camp. 1096 01:13:13,230 --> 01:13:19,140 Yes. That's what she's saying is you want to identify how you're 1097 01:13:19,140 --> 01:13:25,080 being made braces. And then we need to rewire you basically, 1098 01:13:25,110 --> 01:13:27,240 that's that's the whole gist of this whole thing. 1099 01:13:27,269 --> 01:13:30,179 Oh, yeah. That's, that's what the term means. Re education. 1100 01:13:30,179 --> 01:13:30,629 Sure. 1101 01:13:31,110 --> 01:13:36,900 Yeah. So of course, I scoured the internet to find the counter 1102 01:13:36,900 --> 01:13:42,570 argument. And I found Mr. Paul, Dr. Paul Maxwell, let me give 1103 01:13:42,570 --> 01:13:49,500 you a little bio him. It says Dr. Paul Maxwell, PhD explores 1104 01:13:49,500 --> 01:13:57,090 the intersection, theology, psychology and politics, 1105 01:13:57,810 --> 01:14:01,200 marketing professional expert and celebrity franchise branding 1106 01:14:01,200 --> 01:14:05,670 tech publishing nonprofit and higher education. And most of 1107 01:14:05,670 --> 01:14:06,780 all, he's a podcaster 1108 01:14:07,440 --> 01:14:10,980 Hello, now I don't know who it is. Yeah, sure. Right. Well, 1109 01:14:11,040 --> 01:14:15,570 well, where people will you google him? I need to give you 1110 01:14:15,570 --> 01:14:21,060 this this disclaimer. Dr. Paul, Max will zero 1111 01:14:21,570 --> 01:14:24,570 now you probably think less less. I'm kind of kind of bald, 1112 01:14:24,570 --> 01:14:26,760 you know, kind of look like a skinhead. Like where's this guy 1113 01:14:26,760 --> 01:14:29,880 going? Right? Like Listen, I'm not about to go on some like 1114 01:14:29,910 --> 01:14:33,450 white rights pro pro white rant. I'm not okay. 1115 01:14:34,650 --> 01:14:41,430 Yeah, I saw I did look him up. Okay, yes, I can see What's this 1116 01:14:41,430 --> 01:14:43,230 guy doing? Yeah, yeah. 1117 01:14:44,160 --> 01:14:48,900 Just natural reflex. I was like, let me let me see what what as I 1118 01:14:48,900 --> 01:14:49,230 do 1119 01:14:50,070 --> 01:14:53,250 everything I was your bias. You were you were judging by the 1120 01:14:53,250 --> 01:14:54,990 thickness of his hair as usual. 1121 01:14:55,440 --> 01:15:00,660 Well, no. The baldness of his scalp. Yeah. To be more 1122 01:15:00,660 --> 01:15:07,170 specific, but he's trying to give a person people a mental 1123 01:15:07,170 --> 01:15:09,300 image of who we're talking about before you Google while you 1124 01:15:09,300 --> 01:15:12,810 listen to the show. If you ever seen the movie higher learning, 1125 01:15:13,860 --> 01:15:18,120 he looks like the character Remi high on learning, which was a 1126 01:15:18,120 --> 01:15:22,260 skinhead. I'm just telling you, yeah, yeah, just honest. 1127 01:15:23,490 --> 01:15:27,060 Opinion. And when I saw him, I was okay. But I was like, Okay, 1128 01:15:27,060 --> 01:15:29,040 I'm gonna hear this guy out, because that's what we do here. 1129 01:15:29,040 --> 01:15:34,080 Right? We hear both sides. And he has a very interesting take 1130 01:15:34,080 --> 01:15:36,810 on white fragility in 1.1. 1131 01:15:37,080 --> 01:15:41,010 So we will begin by talking about a particular book. This is 1132 01:15:41,010 --> 01:15:44,760 a book by sociologist Robyn JD Angela. And she writes in her 1133 01:15:44,760 --> 01:15:48,570 book called white fragility, why it's so hard for white people to 1134 01:15:48,570 --> 01:15:53,190 talk about racism. And she's a white female and and the Angelou 1135 01:15:53,220 --> 01:15:57,240 writes that white people are so dazzled by their whiteness that 1136 01:15:57,240 --> 01:16:01,200 their own regular normative, explicit and implicit reasons 1137 01:16:01,200 --> 01:16:04,740 for violence against racial minorities are actually 1138 01:16:04,740 --> 01:16:08,250 camouflage to them, so they almost can't even conceive of 1139 01:16:08,250 --> 01:16:13,260 themselves as racist. But not only are these racist practices 1140 01:16:13,260 --> 01:16:17,490 camouflaged to whites, but when these practices are brought 1141 01:16:17,520 --> 01:16:21,150 under the stage lights through conversation or reading, or 1142 01:16:21,150 --> 01:16:24,060 cultural messaging, and when they are diagnosed or 1143 01:16:24,060 --> 01:16:28,350 highlighted and challenged by minority culture, such that 1144 01:16:28,350 --> 01:16:31,470 white cultures enchantment with its own whiteness is threatened, 1145 01:16:31,950 --> 01:16:36,030 that they resort to denial tactics, which refortified Their 1146 01:16:36,030 --> 01:16:39,210 enchantment with whiteness and center their own whiteness and 1147 01:16:39,210 --> 01:16:42,840 recenter their own whiteness as the Cultural Center and the 1148 01:16:42,840 --> 01:16:47,310 cultural norm, and recast minority ethnicity and culture 1149 01:16:47,310 --> 01:16:49,260 as as marginal and exotic. 1150 01:16:50,760 --> 01:16:55,050 makes you sound psychotic. Really, if you hear the way it's 1151 01:16:55,050 --> 01:16:56,040 being explained. 1152 01:16:56,730 --> 01:16:59,340 Well, they use another word besides psychotic, and we're 1153 01:16:59,340 --> 01:17:02,820 gonna get to that. But I have a question for you. Adam. When's 1154 01:17:02,820 --> 01:17:04,890 the last time you've been dazzled by your whiteness? 1155 01:17:04,950 --> 01:17:11,400 Well, let me tell you more. In fact, no, just today, my wife 1156 01:17:11,400 --> 01:17:14,910 and I were taking our dancing lesson. I looked in the mirror 1157 01:17:14,910 --> 01:17:19,230 because it's a dance studio, and I thought, Wow, you dance like 1158 01:17:19,590 --> 01:17:24,720 an idiot. Yeah, no, of course not dazzled by whiteness. 1159 01:17:24,750 --> 01:17:30,390 Crap. who use these terms? Man, he's, it's just fascinating. 1160 01:17:30,420 --> 01:17:33,000 But isn't that just projection? I'm sure. I mean, I see this 1161 01:17:33,000 --> 01:17:36,870 picture of her I immediately you have all kinds of preconceived 1162 01:17:36,870 --> 01:17:41,610 notions about her. I just I don't like her just the way she 1163 01:17:41,610 --> 01:17:44,670 looks. i It's like one of those people like okay one of these 1164 01:17:44,970 --> 01:17:45,870 troublemaker? 1165 01:17:46,860 --> 01:17:49,740 I know exactly what you say mean when you say one of these 1166 01:17:49,740 --> 01:17:53,880 because she is the and I want to use lack of better word 1167 01:17:53,880 --> 01:18:01,980 stereotypical ah, what was her profession and multi 1168 01:18:01,980 --> 01:18:03,060 multicultural education. I 1169 01:18:03,060 --> 01:18:06,690 was just about to look her up as a bachelor's like political 1170 01:18:06,690 --> 01:18:11,820 science with a you know, the, with a diversity minor or 1171 01:18:11,820 --> 01:18:13,230 something is so obvious. 1172 01:18:14,340 --> 01:18:17,280 Yeah, I mean, just the this the look, I mean, and we're not 1173 01:18:17,280 --> 01:18:19,410 judging people on looks. It's like when you see a person like, 1174 01:18:19,500 --> 01:18:20,160 Oh, yeah. 1175 01:18:21,120 --> 01:18:23,670 This whole show is about of course, we're judging people on 1176 01:18:23,670 --> 01:18:26,310 looks, don't don't fool yourself. 1177 01:18:27,390 --> 01:18:33,630 Look, but the way they fit into a stereotypical role PhD 1178 01:18:34,140 --> 01:18:37,860 in multicultural education from the University of Washington, 1179 01:18:38,010 --> 01:18:42,180 with a dissertation entitled whiteness in racial dialogue, a 1180 01:18:42,180 --> 01:18:43,950 discourse analysis. 1181 01:18:48,360 --> 01:18:52,530 Alright, so let's just go straight into 1.2. 1182 01:18:52,650 --> 01:18:55,530 Okay, so in other words, D'Angelo makes two simultaneous 1183 01:18:55,530 --> 01:19:00,390 claims. One, whites are peculiarly mentally weak, 1184 01:19:00,900 --> 01:19:03,930 especially when it comes to race. And two, she's able to 1185 01:19:03,930 --> 01:19:08,490 make individual psychiatric diagnoses of individual whites 1186 01:19:08,520 --> 01:19:14,070 by using their race as a proxy. For diagnosis, three shields 1187 01:19:14,070 --> 01:19:17,010 licensing, anyone who drinks the Kool Aid, have this white 1188 01:19:17,010 --> 01:19:20,790 privilege concept to extend that diagnosis to individuals with 1189 01:19:20,790 --> 01:19:24,270 whom they converse who actually happen to disagree with them 1190 01:19:24,480 --> 01:19:27,210 about this issue of white fragility or race or white 1191 01:19:27,210 --> 01:19:28,620 privilege or so on and so forth. 1192 01:19:32,160 --> 01:19:40,080 So it's a lose lose? Yes, of course it is. Yeah, and it's one 1193 01:19:40,080 --> 01:19:45,870 thing I didn't fail to mention here. Even in her talks and 1194 01:19:45,870 --> 01:19:49,710 speeches or whatever else. She's not talking to your trump 1195 01:19:49,710 --> 01:19:55,170 supporter. Oh, no, she's not talking to your idealistic Trump 1196 01:19:55,170 --> 01:19:58,260 name. I mean, let me clarify that she's not talking to your 1197 01:19:58,380 --> 01:20:01,290 what you picture in your mind. You would think like somebody 1198 01:20:01,290 --> 01:20:06,540 would have Magga hat on. Oh, no. He's talking to liberals. Thank 1199 01:20:06,540 --> 01:20:09,720 you. You're Elizabeth Warren voter. You're Bernie voter. 1200 01:20:09,720 --> 01:20:15,120 You're, you're Pete Buda. Judge voter. And yes, your Biden 1201 01:20:15,120 --> 01:20:16,740 voter. Sure. 1202 01:20:16,740 --> 01:20:19,440 So that's who she's talking about. Cuz she said, Oh, yeah, 1203 01:20:19,470 --> 01:20:23,040 yeah. And she even said it in one of hers. It was unclickable. 1204 01:20:23,370 --> 01:20:25,680 Cuz I would have brought it if it was, but it was like, in a 1205 01:20:25,680 --> 01:20:28,740 roundabout way. She was like, You guys are really the biggest 1206 01:20:28,740 --> 01:20:31,830 problem because you say you don't have it. Right. I have 1207 01:20:31,830 --> 01:20:34,170 black friends. I live in proximity. 1208 01:20:35,130 --> 01:20:39,060 What what do you what are you even thinking of saying? 1209 01:20:39,720 --> 01:20:43,860 Right? Right. So that's what she's talking to. That's our 1210 01:20:43,860 --> 01:20:48,960 audience is, this is not, you know, she's not going to Middle 1211 01:20:48,960 --> 01:20:52,350 America with this conversation. She's well, 1212 01:20:52,380 --> 01:20:58,530 well, hold on. I put this in the show notes she did for the 1213 01:20:58,560 --> 01:21:07,410 University of Kentucky. That's the south a two hour racial 1214 01:21:07,410 --> 01:21:12,930 justice keynote and breakout session in March of 2019. 1215 01:21:14,760 --> 01:21:19,710 Excluding travel expenses, housing, accommodations and 1216 01:21:19,710 --> 01:21:27,480 meals, she also got $12,000. So maybe we shouldn't mock this too 1217 01:21:27,480 --> 01:21:30,420 much. And we should figure out how we can get in on it. 1218 01:21:33,090 --> 01:21:34,860 I'm thinking Oh, my God, good money. 1219 01:21:36,060 --> 01:21:40,380 Racial Justice podcast with breakout session, I will come up 1220 01:21:40,380 --> 01:21:43,590 with something mo I think, Oh, wait, maybe people could 1221 01:21:43,590 --> 01:21:47,640 consider donating to the show. See, and I'll just do it here. 1222 01:21:47,700 --> 01:21:49,980 Since we're talking all the way. And we're going to start 1223 01:21:49,980 --> 01:21:57,480 thanking people next show will be the pls. Yes, yes, the 1224 01:21:57,480 --> 01:22:01,290 potluck special. And we're going to thank people. But this is 1225 01:22:01,290 --> 01:22:06,660 going to be a show with different shorter topics. And 1226 01:22:06,660 --> 01:22:08,880 this is going to want to do those from time to time. And so 1227 01:22:08,880 --> 01:22:10,170 it's going to try something out. 1228 01:22:10,769 --> 01:22:14,849 Similar to the how the first segment of the show was these 1229 01:22:14,849 --> 01:22:19,289 many Yes, diverse topics. And we will have three or fours to five 1230 01:22:19,289 --> 01:22:24,209 topic timing I ever to fit in together, it won't be one long 1231 01:22:24,209 --> 01:22:29,399 stream of consciousness, it will be segmented and that. And it's 1232 01:22:29,399 --> 01:22:34,079 my fault people. I see your donations, we much appreciate 1233 01:22:34,079 --> 01:22:39,599 him. But me being the AMO perfectionist, perfectionist 1234 01:22:39,599 --> 01:22:43,499 that I am, I haven't found a great way of introducing that 1235 01:22:43,499 --> 01:22:46,979 segment to the show. But we appreciate all the value we get 1236 01:22:46,979 --> 01:22:52,319 in. Please hit me up on social media. In the DMS, if you've 1237 01:22:52,319 --> 01:22:55,019 done a RV, if you haven't donated and I like to have the 1238 01:22:55,019 --> 01:22:59,549 conversation push back because I get a lot of questions and 1239 01:23:00,569 --> 01:23:02,819 things that challenged me to think so I really appreciate. 1240 01:23:02,969 --> 01:23:06,329 And this is running under the value for value model. And here 1241 01:23:06,329 --> 01:23:10,049 you go. It's if if we were taking our exact knowledge 1242 01:23:10,079 --> 01:23:12,929 changing a little bit, but even the stuff we're talking about 1243 01:23:12,929 --> 01:23:18,419 right now, that's worth $12,000 for two hours, excluding travel 1244 01:23:18,419 --> 01:23:26,219 expenses. So we expect to receive at least that go to mo 1245 01:23:26,219 --> 01:23:31,199 fund me.com M OE f u n d.com? No, seriously, it's whatever 1246 01:23:31,199 --> 01:23:33,359 value you place on if you thought it was valuable. 1247 01:23:34,350 --> 01:23:36,030 And with our two votes to 1248 01:23:37,800 --> 01:23:44,640 buy. Yeah, whatever. Vote for your guy or gal or what are you 1249 01:23:44,640 --> 01:23:48,240 saying whatever. This is, right. We're not embarrassed eight. 1250 01:23:49,050 --> 01:23:54,540 vermin. So did my guy, vermin Supreme is my guy. All right. So 1251 01:23:54,540 --> 01:23:56,970 let's continue. I'm sorry. 1252 01:23:57,330 --> 01:24:01,500 Let's get back. That was perfect timing. Let's just get back on 1253 01:24:01,500 --> 01:24:04,770 track. And you made a claim that you said it makes you seeing 1254 01:24:04,770 --> 01:24:06,900 what way? psychotic? 1255 01:24:06,989 --> 01:24:09,539 Yeah, psychotic or egomaniac. Maybe. 1256 01:24:10,770 --> 01:24:15,720 That's not necessarily the word they Paul uses. But let's let's 1257 01:24:15,720 --> 01:24:16,260 listen to. 1258 01:24:16,590 --> 01:24:20,160 So she argues that white people are so socialized by their 1259 01:24:20,160 --> 01:24:23,970 whiteness that they cannot without proper racial education 1260 01:24:23,970 --> 01:24:27,360 and re education accurately perceive the extent to which 1261 01:24:27,360 --> 01:24:30,960 they're racist prejudice against minorities is baked into their 1262 01:24:30,960 --> 01:24:35,310 own worldview. Okay, white people are in this presentation, 1263 01:24:35,880 --> 01:24:40,500 philosophically, and specularly handicapped by their own race, 1264 01:24:40,590 --> 01:24:44,130 about their own race. Okay. So D'Angelo appeals to her own 1265 01:24:44,160 --> 01:24:46,560 academic authority as a sociologist to fortify this 1266 01:24:46,560 --> 01:24:49,680 claim that whites are epistemological, handicapped 1267 01:24:49,710 --> 01:24:53,790 relative to other races. And it is on this assumption of white 1268 01:24:53,790 --> 01:24:58,080 philosophical shortsightedness or handicap that programs such 1269 01:24:58,080 --> 01:25:01,080 as racial bias training and employee bias training had been 1270 01:25:01,080 --> 01:25:05,460 suggested as cures to perceived racism among whites. 1271 01:25:06,210 --> 01:25:09,930 Yes, it's very similar as I was thinking about this to something 1272 01:25:10,290 --> 01:25:14,910 known as the self hating the self loathing Jew. Very similar 1273 01:25:14,910 --> 01:25:16,020 in definition. 1274 01:25:18,300 --> 01:25:23,850 But you missed an opportunity here. Oh, Adam. Yes. You get a 1275 01:25:23,850 --> 01:25:27,360 another merit badge. Oh, of course, 1276 01:25:27,630 --> 01:25:30,870 your handicap. Ah, wow. 1277 01:25:32,490 --> 01:25:36,720 According to this, this is a disability. So, um, you move up 1278 01:25:36,720 --> 01:25:37,530 on the ladder. 1279 01:25:38,880 --> 01:25:42,720 Which by its which, by itself, in an odd way, is again 1280 01:25:42,750 --> 01:25:48,090 advancing the white man over everybody else. Even Even, even 1281 01:25:48,090 --> 01:25:50,430 as a victim. I'm a better victim than you. 1282 01:25:52,590 --> 01:25:57,960 You've just realized that you walk right into that realization 1283 01:25:57,960 --> 01:26:01,140 without me even have to say it. Oh, no, I had the goggles off. 1284 01:26:01,260 --> 01:26:06,690 Right now. You justify what they're doing is excuse my white 1285 01:26:06,690 --> 01:26:08,790 privilege because I have a disability 1286 01:26:17,790 --> 01:26:22,410 Okay, I'm going to use that. I'm so sorry. I have a disability. I 1287 01:26:22,410 --> 01:26:23,490 have white privilege. 1288 01:26:24,330 --> 01:26:27,420 No, no. Your disability is the white fragility. No, of course, 1289 01:26:27,570 --> 01:26:33,240 of course. So when people say oh, yeah, you have a well, once 1290 01:26:33,240 --> 01:26:36,300 again, Adam, do you realize you have white privilege? 1291 01:26:36,930 --> 01:26:38,670 I don't have white privilege. 1292 01:26:39,840 --> 01:26:42,420 Oh, well, you're showing signs of white fragility. Adam, 1293 01:26:42,450 --> 01:26:49,980 I know. I'm so sad about the status. I can't even do this. I 1294 01:26:51,540 --> 01:26:57,690 I knew I need a parking sticker. For the handicap zone. I'm 1295 01:26:57,690 --> 01:26:59,610 sorry. disabled. Disabled. 1296 01:27:00,660 --> 01:27:05,670 Yeah, but no, no, this, what I'm saying? This is how sick Yeah, 1297 01:27:06,180 --> 01:27:12,300 he did that. They can just label whatever we're saying. It's in 1298 01:27:12,300 --> 01:27:18,150 jest, but it's a really it's a sign of sickness. What they're 1299 01:27:18,270 --> 01:27:23,220 what she's doing here to say, Oh, I I know my privilege. But 1300 01:27:23,220 --> 01:27:26,880 you know, and I might get hurt if you remind me of it. But 1301 01:27:26,880 --> 01:27:28,110 that's a disability. 1302 01:27:29,610 --> 01:27:30,660 isn't a great? 1303 01:27:33,060 --> 01:27:35,040 Honestly, I'm bad. Like, wow, you just 1304 01:27:36,510 --> 01:27:40,530 why you think I'm a low information voter? Mo just let 1305 01:27:40,530 --> 01:27:44,280 me lead me along. All right. I'll go right to the water. 1306 01:27:45,150 --> 01:27:49,740 Right. So not so now you didn't go get your badge? Yeah, you can 1307 01:27:49,740 --> 01:27:55,380 get your badge or your your sticker. There you go. I'm 1308 01:27:55,380 --> 01:27:59,550 making that analogy. Because to say that to somebody that 1309 01:27:59,550 --> 01:28:05,280 actually has a real problem. It really has a disability. How 1310 01:28:06,870 --> 01:28:12,720 insulting is that? irks me, but I didn't know. 1311 01:28:12,720 --> 01:28:16,560 But you know what it is? It's a version of it. And I haven't 1312 01:28:16,560 --> 01:28:19,740 fleshed it out yet. But emotional support animals has 1313 01:28:19,740 --> 01:28:26,190 something to do with this somehow versus real, specialized 1314 01:28:26,220 --> 01:28:27,390 and dogs. 1315 01:28:28,830 --> 01:28:32,040 That zactly is exactly what it is. 1316 01:28:32,100 --> 01:28:35,940 And people take advantage of that. And so they're they're 1317 01:28:35,970 --> 01:28:40,560 literally using their bullshit emotional support. And, look, if 1318 01:28:40,740 --> 01:28:42,900 people have real emotional problems, some of them have 1319 01:28:42,900 --> 01:28:47,340 animals for that. That train specifically it's ABA compliant. 1320 01:28:47,340 --> 01:28:51,780 I've studied this from backwards and forwards. But no, no, no. I 1321 01:28:51,780 --> 01:28:56,010 have emotional problems. Here's my dog. Now I get to board early 1322 01:28:56,010 --> 01:28:57,300 and take my dog with me. 1323 01:28:59,040 --> 01:29:04,230 That is that's the exact manifest manifestation. Oh, wow. 1324 01:29:04,230 --> 01:29:10,110 mentality. Yeah. So I'm guessing you're asking well, how do you 1325 01:29:10,110 --> 01:29:14,070 spot white fragility? And is there a cure? 1326 01:29:15,090 --> 01:29:18,540 Programs such as racial bias training and implicit bias 1327 01:29:18,540 --> 01:29:23,040 training had been suggested as cures to perceived racism among 1328 01:29:23,040 --> 01:29:26,310 whites, and this is how scientists have begun to 1329 01:29:26,310 --> 01:29:29,850 quantify racial prejudice among whites to give them a test that 1330 01:29:29,850 --> 01:29:33,570 shows them several dozen black and white images of faces of 1331 01:29:33,570 --> 01:29:38,010 various races on the screen, right and classified an ability 1332 01:29:38,010 --> 01:29:42,390 to distinguish between the faces of participants own race versus 1333 01:29:42,420 --> 01:29:46,830 faces of races to to which the participant did belong, okay. So 1334 01:29:46,860 --> 01:29:50,190 any extended delay in the participants ability to 1335 01:29:50,190 --> 01:29:54,840 distinguish between other race faces was classified as social 1336 01:29:54,840 --> 01:29:58,680 stereotype, and therefore a low score on what they call the 1337 01:29:58,680 --> 01:30:01,980 effect of lexical Driving score. So in other words, if you're a 1338 01:30:01,980 --> 01:30:05,820 few milliseconds slow on distinguishing black faces from 1339 01:30:05,820 --> 01:30:07,710 one another, you're racist. 1340 01:30:12,929 --> 01:30:18,749 Oh, man, well, you know that AI is completely racist. All the 1341 01:30:18,779 --> 01:30:24,269 algorithms have trouble with black faces dark skin tone. So 1342 01:30:24,269 --> 01:30:27,239 it's all racist, racist computers. 1343 01:30:29,760 --> 01:30:34,350 I'm sure you wondering, what is implicit bias testing? 1344 01:30:35,190 --> 01:30:37,770 Whoa, yes, believe me, I want to know. 1345 01:30:38,790 --> 01:30:43,620 So I had to do some digging. I had to go real deep. And I found 1346 01:30:43,620 --> 01:30:49,590 this Dateline NBC episode for 2007. Nice. This is how old this 1347 01:30:49,590 --> 01:30:51,510 thing is. And 1348 01:30:53,460 --> 01:30:55,860 do you think this was being released around the time that 1349 01:30:56,820 --> 01:31:01,410 Barack Obama was running for president? I guess, just for 1350 01:31:01,410 --> 01:31:02,280 context, just, 1351 01:31:02,550 --> 01:31:07,560 there's a, there's a correlation there. So Okay. All right. So 1352 01:31:07,590 --> 01:31:09,660 implicit association test one, 1353 01:31:09,900 --> 01:31:14,550 you may be saying, not me, I'm not prejudiced. But is it 1354 01:31:14,550 --> 01:31:18,240 possible that virtually all of us have a hidden racial bias 1355 01:31:18,270 --> 01:31:22,560 hidden even from ourselves. That's exactly what this test is 1356 01:31:22,560 --> 01:31:27,240 designed to uncover. Here's how it works. These words and faces 1357 01:31:27,270 --> 01:31:30,870 appear rapidly, one after another around the screen. The 1358 01:31:30,870 --> 01:31:34,440 test taker is supposed to link each one to the left or right 1359 01:31:34,440 --> 01:31:39,150 box here in the center, linking positive words like friend to 1360 01:31:39,150 --> 01:31:45,870 good, negative words like awful to bat, white faces with white, 1361 01:31:46,290 --> 01:31:51,420 black faces with black. And it's the mistakes that are so 1362 01:31:51,420 --> 01:31:52,020 revealing. 1363 01:31:53,850 --> 01:31:59,670 Oh, I had another thought while this was going, but just tell 1364 01:31:59,670 --> 01:32:05,550 you because it just came out this show and I will make who 1365 01:32:05,550 --> 01:32:08,070 knows how many will make but up until now you could take these 1366 01:32:08,070 --> 01:32:12,330 24 episodes, bundle them nice leather binder, you know, golden 1367 01:32:12,330 --> 01:32:17,130 inlay, and sell them as educational courses. I'm 1368 01:32:17,130 --> 01:32:20,220 thinking you know, if you really want to know about racism, white 1369 01:32:20,220 --> 01:32:23,790 supremacy, listen to this kids and put the kids in the 1370 01:32:23,790 --> 01:32:28,230 classroom let them listen. Then it's 1000 bucks to school. 1371 01:32:29,219 --> 01:32:32,489 I think it'd be far more effective than whatever they 1372 01:32:32,999 --> 01:32:35,069 whatever just a game right now. 1373 01:32:35,190 --> 01:32:36,390 Yes, surgery. 1374 01:32:37,259 --> 01:32:45,539 So when I saw this segment I connective happening happening 1375 01:32:45,539 --> 01:32:50,999 in my brain. Have you heard of the show watchmen on HBO? 1376 01:32:51,030 --> 01:32:55,560 Yes, I started. It started a while ago, I remember watching 1377 01:32:55,560 --> 01:33:01,380 the first episode. And at that moment, I was just like, this is 1378 01:33:01,380 --> 01:33:04,500 just too stressful for me. I'll come back to it later. And I 1379 01:33:04,500 --> 01:33:06,930 haven't gotten back to it. But I have heard great. 1380 01:33:07,380 --> 01:33:11,580 First episode I did. Yeah. You saw if you saw the first 1381 01:33:11,580 --> 01:33:19,980 episode, you saw a dramatization of the implicit bias testing. 1382 01:33:20,220 --> 01:33:22,530 And this is probably why it bothered me most. I mean, I 1383 01:33:22,530 --> 01:33:24,150 hadn't even thought about it that way. 1384 01:33:24,450 --> 01:33:28,170 You remember when the guy with the mirror mask? Yes. Took the 1385 01:33:28,170 --> 01:33:30,720 white supremacist in the pot. And they had the pictures 1386 01:33:30,720 --> 01:33:31,470 flashing? 1387 01:33:31,979 --> 01:33:35,879 Yeah, yes, yes, yes. That was 1388 01:33:35,880 --> 01:33:41,640 a dramatization of the implicit bias test. Oh, my God. They're 1389 01:33:41,640 --> 01:33:43,800 feeding this stuff into 1390 01:33:44,610 --> 01:33:47,670 it. Right. They're mainlining. Man, right, right into your 1391 01:33:47,670 --> 01:33:49,230 brain right into the cranium. 1392 01:33:49,890 --> 01:33:53,100 So let me set let me let me let me let me back up a little bit. 1393 01:33:53,550 --> 01:33:59,010 Watch the whole piece of shit. Thanks. So watchmen in the show, 1394 01:33:59,190 --> 01:34:01,680 they had had this terrorist attack or whatever, and they 1395 01:34:01,680 --> 01:34:04,950 round up all these suppose it wipes the premises, and they put 1396 01:34:04,950 --> 01:34:08,430 them in this like circle room. And on the walls, they're 1397 01:34:08,430 --> 01:34:14,070 showing all these polarizing racial images. And the gods 1398 01:34:14,070 --> 01:34:16,380 asking this guy questions like, Are you a racist? Are you a 1399 01:34:16,380 --> 01:34:19,200 white supremacist? Are you a member of like, I forgot the 1400 01:34:19,200 --> 01:34:22,110 name of the group seven Calvary or whatever, which is like 1401 01:34:22,140 --> 01:34:25,620 basically the kk k, right? And like, he's taking notes why he's 1402 01:34:25,770 --> 01:34:30,210 asking these questions. That's basically how implicit bias 1403 01:34:30,210 --> 01:34:35,610 testing works. In a roundabout way, but when I saw when I saw 1404 01:34:35,610 --> 01:34:38,670 this Dateline NBC special, that's when you put it out 1405 01:34:39,300 --> 01:34:44,100 there. Holy shit. Yeah. Excuse my language. But yeah, I'm like, 1406 01:34:44,100 --> 01:34:48,600 wow, like they're pumping stuff into entertainment. 1407 01:34:48,630 --> 01:34:50,520 Well, you know what's interesting, and when I'm very 1408 01:34:50,550 --> 01:34:55,110 what you can be very proud of we both can be proud of is that my 1409 01:34:55,110 --> 01:34:58,770 response was of rejection. And I don't know what else was going 1410 01:34:58,770 --> 01:35:01,950 on. But I sat down I've specifically to watch it and I 1411 01:35:01,950 --> 01:35:04,380 have time sometimes during the day, you know, I'm gonna watch 1412 01:35:04,380 --> 01:35:10,230 an hour or something. And, and I remember turning it on. And it 1413 01:35:10,230 --> 01:35:12,990 was, that was my thought stressful. And you know, I 1414 01:35:12,990 --> 01:35:16,200 wasn't completely into the story, but I think because of 1415 01:35:16,410 --> 01:35:20,850 this podcast and my my outlook in general, but this podcast 1416 01:35:20,850 --> 01:35:24,570 definitely has given me some kind of weaponry against this 1417 01:35:24,570 --> 01:35:28,650 propaganda. I rejected it out of hand and hadn't gone back to it. 1418 01:35:28,680 --> 01:35:31,050 Now, of course, I have to watch the whole thing, the whole 1419 01:35:31,050 --> 01:35:32,100 series, but 1420 01:35:32,130 --> 01:35:34,110 that's the whole series, but that is the 1421 01:35:34,680 --> 01:35:37,320 Oh, no, no, let me do it. I'll jump on that grenade. 1422 01:35:38,850 --> 01:35:43,620 Thank you. Because it was it was like, Oh, you're trying to prod 1423 01:35:43,620 --> 01:35:50,970 me? Yep. manipulate me. And I don't do the trauma based 1424 01:35:51,000 --> 01:35:54,090 entertainment. But on the reason I watched it watched it, because 1425 01:35:54,090 --> 01:35:59,430 why it was free HBO that weekend, to sell it to somebody, 1426 01:35:59,430 --> 01:36:04,830 Hey, this is how the DNS work. And I am poor people, please 1427 01:36:05,430 --> 01:36:09,120 reach out to me on social media. Because I love that back and 1428 01:36:09,120 --> 01:36:11,640 forth. I can't promise you a two hour conversation. But 1429 01:36:11,700 --> 01:36:14,940 interesting couple of just a couple back and forth. It was 1430 01:36:14,940 --> 01:36:17,850 gentleman said, go ahead. No, no, please. No. Somebody said 1431 01:36:17,850 --> 01:36:20,700 you need to watch watchmen because they talk about Tulsa, 1432 01:36:20,910 --> 01:36:25,050 and Tulsa, the bombing back and right, like Wall Street. So 1433 01:36:25,050 --> 01:36:28,470 that's what drew me and I was like, I want to see how they how 1434 01:36:28,470 --> 01:36:32,880 they use this historical event. You know, and I was not, you 1435 01:36:32,880 --> 01:36:37,260 know, I was not. I promise, you propagandized it, but 1436 01:36:37,920 --> 01:36:40,650 I want to share this and I want to share this anecdote about 1437 01:36:40,650 --> 01:36:44,160 watching. I was in the bookstore, then it's a very good 1438 01:36:44,160 --> 01:36:48,510 bookstore that we have here in Austin. It's called Good Reads. 1439 01:36:48,660 --> 01:36:51,300 Think it's a good read. No, not good reads. That's awesome 1440 01:36:51,300 --> 01:36:54,150 bookstore. I don't know it's a it's next to Whole Foods people. 1441 01:36:54,630 --> 01:36:58,830 And so I'm in there. And I'm looking for something that 1442 01:36:58,830 --> 01:37:04,440 wasn't at for a gift. And I met here, a couple of young couples, 1443 01:37:04,440 --> 01:37:09,210 so you know, probably early, mid 20s. And he says, Did you hear 1444 01:37:09,210 --> 01:37:11,010 that they're not going to come back with another series of 1445 01:37:11,010 --> 01:37:15,750 Watchmen. And she was like, Oh, my God. That's why why but why 1446 01:37:15,750 --> 01:37:18,840 he's like, Well, the producer, and I heard this and I was like, 1447 01:37:19,200 --> 01:37:22,260 Wow, that sounds like a show. I absolutely don't want to watch 1448 01:37:22,260 --> 01:37:26,550 if these two dickheads are so upset about it being canceled. I 1449 01:37:26,550 --> 01:37:30,840 mean, it sounds horrible. And now I understand. These were the 1450 01:37:30,840 --> 01:37:34,170 zombies. The program zombies were they're lucky that they 1451 01:37:34,170 --> 01:37:36,210 didn't scratch me. They were right there. 1452 01:37:38,670 --> 01:37:40,830 Now almost got you. Yeah, 1453 01:37:41,220 --> 01:37:45,690 this really good. All right. All right. All right. That's a lot 1454 01:37:45,690 --> 01:37:47,400 of sidetracking. But worth it. Thank you. 1455 01:37:48,330 --> 01:37:50,970 Because it was just I wanted to point that out how they feed 1456 01:37:50,970 --> 01:37:56,100 this stuff into pop culture. But let's get back to implicit test 1457 01:37:56,100 --> 01:37:56,430 to 1458 01:37:56,670 --> 01:38:00,900 Dateline put this experiment to a difficult challenge testing a 1459 01:38:00,900 --> 01:38:04,290 cross section of men and women, including some who have 1460 01:38:04,320 --> 01:38:08,970 impeccable credentials in race relations. People like Wanda, a 1461 01:38:08,970 --> 01:38:11,010 civil rights attorney. Okay, I'm 1462 01:38:11,010 --> 01:38:12,120 right. Okay, here it is. 1463 01:38:12,420 --> 01:38:15,780 During the first half of the test, right, black is linked to 1464 01:38:15,780 --> 01:38:20,610 bad and white is linked to good, right for Wanda, this half of 1465 01:38:20,610 --> 01:38:24,360 the test is a breeze. She never makes a mistake left. 1466 01:38:24,540 --> 01:38:27,750 Okay, very good. Now, we'll give you the other one. 1467 01:38:28,440 --> 01:38:32,610 But let's see how she does when the information is reversed when 1468 01:38:32,610 --> 01:38:37,920 the left box marked bad, has a white face. And the right box 1469 01:38:38,070 --> 01:38:43,620 labeled good has a black face. Last left suddenly the test 1470 01:38:43,620 --> 01:38:47,430 becomes much more difficult for Rhonda, about a third of the way 1471 01:38:47,430 --> 01:38:51,390 through she makes a mistake linking the white face to the 1472 01:38:51,390 --> 01:38:59,760 right box, even though that shows a black face. I lost score 1473 01:38:59,760 --> 01:39:03,510 indicates a strong preference for White. Is this because she 1474 01:39:03,510 --> 01:39:06,450 unconsciously associates white with good 1475 01:39:07,170 --> 01:39:08,670 Oh, wow. 1476 01:39:10,080 --> 01:39:11,610 And that's the basis of your test. 1477 01:39:12,810 --> 01:39:16,650 I wonder what the science is the neurosciences behind that. Wow. 1478 01:39:16,650 --> 01:39:17,220 Okay. 1479 01:39:18,810 --> 01:39:21,990 It is blacks and pitchers good bad and then they do in reverse 1480 01:39:22,020 --> 01:39:22,380 order. 1481 01:39:22,680 --> 01:39:25,890 Oh, well, you missed one racist. 1482 01:39:26,310 --> 01:39:29,820 Right and Rhonda was she was distraught. She's Oh my god. 1483 01:39:30,030 --> 01:39:32,070 I can't believe I'm a racist. 1484 01:39:32,370 --> 01:39:34,770 I can't believe I was bad. 1485 01:39:36,210 --> 01:39:39,690 And there's your exit strategy right there. Adam. Is that your 1486 01:39:39,690 --> 01:39:41,640 app? Yeah. Implicit bias 1487 01:39:46,620 --> 01:39:51,060 Yeah, oh like to hit with a tinder element. I like it mo I 1488 01:39:51,060 --> 01:39:53,610 like it. Alright, let's let's finish the show up so we can 1489 01:39:53,610 --> 01:39:54,840 start working on the design 1490 01:39:56,880 --> 01:39:57,720 and placement test 1491 01:39:59,040 --> 01:40:02,970 and as reveal long as those results are the biggest surprise 1492 01:40:03,000 --> 01:40:07,350 is yet to come left left. Joan is a sales and marketing 1493 01:40:07,350 --> 01:40:11,130 consultant. Even for many black test takers, the more 1494 01:40:11,130 --> 01:40:14,310 challenging part of the test seems to be when Black is 1495 01:40:14,310 --> 01:40:18,720 associated with good and white with bad. Okay, then get halfway 1496 01:40:18,720 --> 01:40:23,100 through, we'll start over. Ready? After two attempts, she 1497 01:40:23,100 --> 01:40:27,510 still can't make it to the end. I've done it again. Even so Joan 1498 01:40:27,510 --> 01:40:30,960 still thought she'd show a preference for her own race. 1499 01:40:31,140 --> 01:40:35,100 Would you be surprised then Joan, if I said that your test 1500 01:40:35,130 --> 01:40:40,860 showed a slight preference for Weiss? Yes, I would be. Does it 1501 01:40:40,860 --> 01:40:46,860 shock you? Yes. I hear flabbergasted, flabbergasted. 1502 01:40:47,190 --> 01:40:51,600 And Joan isn't alone. Dennis is the leader of a civil rights 1503 01:40:51,600 --> 01:40:55,620 organization. According to his test in the studio, Dennis is 1504 01:40:55,620 --> 01:40:58,890 neutral. But his individual computer test showed a 1505 01:40:58,890 --> 01:41:01,620 preference for White. His response, 1506 01:41:01,710 --> 01:41:06,150 all we had in images were Whites through the type of media 1507 01:41:06,150 --> 01:41:10,320 outlets that we were exposed to during my age generation. And 1508 01:41:10,320 --> 01:41:12,930 that was a constant reinforcement over and over 1509 01:41:12,930 --> 01:41:13,290 again. 1510 01:41:14,250 --> 01:41:15,300 You're a bad person. 1511 01:41:16,860 --> 01:41:20,370 So even even the black people are racist. But we've got to 1512 01:41:20,370 --> 01:41:21,180 test this. 1513 01:41:23,970 --> 01:41:27,750 It's because because of the the white supremacist television 1514 01:41:29,040 --> 01:41:32,310 of course, of course, exactly what it is. It's not that the 1515 01:41:32,310 --> 01:41:34,860 test can be maybe confusing. So he's 1516 01:41:34,860 --> 01:41:42,660 a racist, black man. But he's also has he's disabled, because 1517 01:41:42,690 --> 01:41:47,430 it was the fault of the white supremacist media that made him 1518 01:41:47,430 --> 01:41:48,030 that way. 1519 01:41:49,979 --> 01:41:53,069 That's if you lean into the victimization mentality. So you 1520 01:41:53,069 --> 01:41:56,849 have to accept it. Yeah, yeah. Except if you if you accept that 1521 01:41:56,879 --> 01:41:59,789 victimization mentality, which I'm not Pooh poohing the power 1522 01:41:59,789 --> 01:42:05,789 of propaganda. But if you can, it propaganda can make you 1523 01:42:09,629 --> 01:42:14,309 unlearn what you know, what you experience? That's some powerful 1524 01:42:14,309 --> 01:42:14,939 stuff, man. 1525 01:42:15,450 --> 01:42:16,500 You're not kidding me. 1526 01:42:17,790 --> 01:42:21,060 I mean, because you're you don't have the excuse of, quote, 1527 01:42:21,060 --> 01:42:24,090 unquote, white people say, Well, I don't know any black people. 1528 01:42:24,090 --> 01:42:28,560 So maybe the news is telling the true maybe the TV is telling the 1529 01:42:28,560 --> 01:42:32,220 truth, you live in experienced black people every day. So 1530 01:42:32,220 --> 01:42:36,300 either we have to have one way either mass media is running 1531 01:42:36,300 --> 01:42:41,310 this super powerful propaganda machine. That's nobody's immune 1532 01:42:41,310 --> 01:42:45,450 to. Or you have to accept the victimization mentality. So 1533 01:42:45,450 --> 01:42:50,250 which one is it? But it's got to be one or the other. Right? So 1534 01:42:51,390 --> 01:42:54,330 it gets even more interesting in tests for 1535 01:42:54,870 --> 01:42:59,220 the African Americans that professors have tested. 42% show 1536 01:42:59,220 --> 01:43:03,240 a preference for whites, a large number, especially when you 1537 01:43:03,240 --> 01:43:08,640 consider that only 17% of whites show a preference for blacks go 1538 01:43:08,940 --> 01:43:12,960 left, right. And one of the other African Americans we test 1539 01:43:12,960 --> 01:43:16,530 it right Heather is an assistant district attorney right on the 1540 01:43:16,530 --> 01:43:20,280 part of the test where the black face is paired with the word bag 1541 01:43:20,280 --> 01:43:24,570 right, Heather has noticeable difficulty and can't finish, she 1542 01:43:24,570 --> 01:43:28,710 showed a strong preference for African Americans. And her pride 1543 01:43:28,740 --> 01:43:32,490 was unabashed. That made me feel more comfortable knowing that 1544 01:43:33,270 --> 01:43:37,050 I've embraced my culture that Randolph a high school music 1545 01:43:37,050 --> 01:43:40,650 teacher also showed a preference for his own race. 1546 01:43:41,070 --> 01:43:47,040 Does it concern you at all that you have a strong preference for 1547 01:43:47,040 --> 01:43:48,090 African Americans? 1548 01:43:48,210 --> 01:43:52,350 Does that score mean that I do not like European Americans? No. 1549 01:43:52,710 --> 01:43:57,420 Is my subconscious aware of the condition that African Americans 1550 01:43:57,420 --> 01:44:00,480 are in in this country at this particular point? My conscious 1551 01:44:00,480 --> 01:44:00,900 is 1552 01:44:01,050 --> 01:44:05,940 over. Does it concern you? 1553 01:44:06,120 --> 01:44:09,630 Concern you sir, does it concern you that you could possibly you 1554 01:44:09,630 --> 01:44:14,040 know, I'm saying right. Does it concern you that you like 1555 01:44:14,040 --> 01:44:14,670 yourself? 1556 01:44:15,330 --> 01:44:20,790 Right and people to happen that like you? Do you have a 1557 01:44:21,870 --> 01:44:26,550 definition nepotism, right definition again? Yeah. Do you 1558 01:44:26,550 --> 01:44:29,730 have a preference for people that look like you? That's the 1559 01:44:29,730 --> 01:44:34,590 problems in these people eyes that's it. No, no, no, no, no, 1560 01:44:34,860 --> 01:44:36,750 no. No. 1561 01:44:38,190 --> 01:44:41,220 What is this multi layered trap? This is great. 1562 01:44:41,969 --> 01:44:46,229 You can't it's labyrinth, the labyrinth Jack You can't escape. 1563 01:44:46,739 --> 01:44:49,679 Whatever turn you run into it's a dead end it's like racist, 1564 01:44:49,949 --> 01:44:54,479 racist, or your or your you know, have a self identity 1565 01:44:54,479 --> 01:44:57,299 problems which were called by the racist television. So it's 1566 01:44:57,299 --> 01:44:59,969 like you narrative white or black? You can never escape 1567 01:44:59,999 --> 01:45:06,449 You're having free thought, you know that's not an option. But 1568 01:45:06,449 --> 01:45:10,079 it has to be a reason behind why you feel the way you feel. And 1569 01:45:10,079 --> 01:45:12,269 being a free thinker. That's that's totally bad. 1570 01:45:13,710 --> 01:45:15,630 For Bolton, we can't have that. 1571 01:45:16,470 --> 01:45:21,300 You can't have that free. Thank you. But let's wrap up with this 1572 01:45:21,330 --> 01:45:23,490 Dateline NBC on test five. All 1573 01:45:23,490 --> 01:45:25,410 right, I'm gonna pass this one. I think I can do 1574 01:45:25,410 --> 01:45:28,320 this. Dozens of professors know that there's a difference in 1575 01:45:28,320 --> 01:45:31,740 reactions between blacks and whites, when they find out they 1576 01:45:31,740 --> 01:45:34,620 have a preference for their own race. Of course, it bothers me, 1577 01:45:34,620 --> 01:45:38,880 but I could say it's pride or prejudice. What blacks consider 1578 01:45:38,880 --> 01:45:42,780 a badge of healthy self esteem. Many whites regard as an 1579 01:45:42,780 --> 01:45:44,460 embarrassing revelation. 1580 01:45:44,670 --> 01:45:48,990 Yeah, exactly. And that's the that's the way it's designed. 1581 01:45:52,620 --> 01:45:53,790 So he can't escape it. 1582 01:45:54,000 --> 01:45:57,180 Can I can I can I play a little little na jingle here that's 1583 01:45:57,180 --> 01:46:00,240 appropriate to cuz a lot of people may not have heard this 1584 01:46:00,240 --> 01:46:07,800 one. Be fun to play, please. Just a shorty. It feels racist. 1585 01:46:08,880 --> 01:46:24,060 It's a pig. It just says you skin is shifting into your 1586 01:46:24,060 --> 01:46:31,980 round. So don't have a pen. And just watch it. There you go. 1587 01:46:32,010 --> 01:46:36,900 Everybody do what you're told. The Great Secret Agent Paul. 1588 01:46:38,070 --> 01:46:39,150 Just do what you're told. 1589 01:46:39,179 --> 01:46:41,819 Do what you're told. That's exactly it. And it's for all 1590 01:46:41,819 --> 01:46:45,509 those categories when we're talking about skin color right 1591 01:46:45,509 --> 01:46:49,949 now. Of course, that's part of the conversation, but is a lot 1592 01:46:49,949 --> 01:46:55,469 of its actuality, the gender all of it's in their control. 1593 01:46:56,610 --> 01:47:01,980 So I don't like to be part of the problem to be more a part of 1594 01:47:01,980 --> 01:47:07,350 the solution. Yes, we always love and so what I did was dug 1595 01:47:07,350 --> 01:47:12,000 and dug and dug. And I found this training video of how to 1596 01:47:12,000 --> 01:47:16,230 deal with white fragility in the workplace. Okay. Hey, Jen. 1597 01:47:16,259 --> 01:47:19,649 I really like your hair. Thanks, Becky. I think the curls are 1598 01:47:19,649 --> 01:47:20,219 awesome. 1599 01:47:22,350 --> 01:47:28,770 The girl says literally, Becky. Okay, let's try it again. Hey, 1600 01:47:28,770 --> 01:47:29,160 Jen. 1601 01:47:29,220 --> 01:47:32,610 I really like your hair. Thanks, Becky. I think the curls are 1602 01:47:32,610 --> 01:47:36,000 awesome. Black. Here's the best. Can you do that? 1603 01:47:36,120 --> 01:47:39,510 It's kind of inappropriate. What? Why? Well, it's 1604 01:47:39,810 --> 01:47:41,340 kind of racist. 1605 01:47:42,510 --> 01:47:43,230 Whoa, 1606 01:47:43,260 --> 01:47:46,680 you're probably wondering what went wrong in this workplace 1607 01:47:46,680 --> 01:47:50,610 interaction between Becky and Jen. Unless you have a keen 1608 01:47:50,610 --> 01:47:53,190 understanding of racial discrimination in today's 1609 01:47:53,190 --> 01:47:56,700 workforce, you probably didn't notice that something very 1610 01:47:56,700 --> 01:48:02,190 offensive has taken place. Jen called Becky the R word, causing 1611 01:48:02,190 --> 01:48:06,930 Becky to feel shame and sadness. How can we avoid situations like 1612 01:48:06,930 --> 01:48:07,380 this? 1613 01:48:07,710 --> 01:48:12,720 Whoa, wait a minute. That's also a hijack of the R word. That's 1614 01:48:12,720 --> 01:48:18,030 not okay. I want to the o g r word is now gone. We can't even 1615 01:48:18,030 --> 01:48:19,230 use that anymore now. 1616 01:48:21,390 --> 01:48:26,850 So let's get to you on Oh, please. This is a very 1617 01:48:26,850 --> 01:48:28,800 informative training video. 1618 01:48:28,830 --> 01:48:30,810 Now you said you said you were trying to be part of the 1619 01:48:30,810 --> 01:48:32,520 solution and you give me this? 1620 01:48:32,910 --> 01:48:36,120 Yes. Can we not? We're gonna we're gonna we're gonna fix 1621 01:48:36,120 --> 01:48:36,480 people. 1622 01:48:37,710 --> 01:48:41,670 We're here to re educate. Yes, reeducation? Yes. 1623 01:48:41,730 --> 01:48:44,310 Yes. Workplace to 1624 01:48:44,340 --> 01:48:47,640 workplace discrimination is a very serious issue. And we have 1625 01:48:47,640 --> 01:48:50,460 to be sensitive to our employees different ethnic and cultural 1626 01:48:50,460 --> 01:48:53,400 backgrounds. And just as it's important to be sensitive to our 1627 01:48:53,400 --> 01:48:57,690 black Arab and other non white coworkers, it's also equally 1628 01:48:57,690 --> 01:49:01,620 important to be sensitive to our white coworkers sensitivity to 1629 01:49:01,620 --> 01:49:02,610 that sensitivity. 1630 01:49:05,280 --> 01:49:07,290 So I gotta stop. I gotta listen to that, again. 1631 01:49:10,200 --> 01:49:13,650 Important to be sensitive to our black Arab and other non white 1632 01:49:13,650 --> 01:49:17,250 coworkers. It's also equally important to be sensitive to our 1633 01:49:17,250 --> 01:49:19,560 white coworkers sensitivity, you know, we 1634 01:49:19,559 --> 01:49:22,769 have to be sensitive for the white co workers sensitivity. 1635 01:49:22,769 --> 01:49:24,509 Okay, just taking notes. 1636 01:49:25,500 --> 01:49:26,520 That sensitivity 1637 01:49:26,849 --> 01:49:30,659 Oh, shoot, I get I'm sorry. This is a three sensitivity so 1638 01:49:30,660 --> 01:49:34,890 it's not easy to be sensitive to our white coworkers sensitivity 1639 01:49:35,070 --> 01:49:37,080 to that sensitivity. The what 1640 01:49:38,010 --> 01:49:46,110 we have okay to be sensitive to the white person sensitivity to 1641 01:49:46,110 --> 01:49:51,030 their sensitivity. Yes. No wonder kids are antidepressants. 1642 01:49:55,470 --> 01:49:57,780 Can you believe that Trump wants to build a wall? I mean, I must 1643 01:49:57,780 --> 01:50:05,280 really bother you as a Mexican. I Totally, I am Olivia. How are 1644 01:50:05,280 --> 01:50:08,580 you? I went to Berkeley. 1645 01:50:11,460 --> 01:50:14,520 Sometimes racial discrimination in the workplace can happen 1646 01:50:14,550 --> 01:50:17,910 unintentionally. Take, for instance, this scene where Marco 1647 01:50:17,910 --> 01:50:21,780 accidentally angered Tom by correcting him. Marco may not be 1648 01:50:21,780 --> 01:50:25,770 Mexican, but correcting Tom in that manner made Tom confused, 1649 01:50:25,890 --> 01:50:29,010 scared and hostile. This situation could have been 1650 01:50:29,010 --> 01:50:31,290 avoided altogether. Let's see how, 1651 01:50:31,560 --> 01:50:39,930 oh boy, I'm so happy. We're gonna find out how she 2.10 My 1652 01:50:39,930 --> 01:50:44,310 goodness, this is this is new. It's I'm trying to process it 1653 01:50:44,310 --> 01:50:46,740 all. It's very new. You've already you had advantage here. 1654 01:50:46,740 --> 01:50:49,920 You've heard all this once before, or multiple times. Okay. 1655 01:50:50,310 --> 01:50:55,200 I just want to process that one. You know, Professor Ted 1656 01:50:55,200 --> 01:51:04,770 Kaczynski wrote in his famous manuscript, industrial society 1657 01:51:04,770 --> 01:51:07,410 and its future, and he's a Harvard professor, you can look 1658 01:51:07,410 --> 01:51:10,050 them up, you'll be amazed when you learn about him. He wrote 1659 01:51:10,050 --> 01:51:13,740 that one of the problems of technology in the future would 1660 01:51:13,740 --> 01:51:19,710 be over socialization of children. And what I just heard 1661 01:51:19,710 --> 01:51:23,220 going back to the previous clip, with the sensitive to the 1662 01:51:23,220 --> 01:51:28,140 sensitivity about that sensitivity, that is over 1663 01:51:28,140 --> 01:51:31,530 socialization right there. You're so because you're 1664 01:51:31,530 --> 01:51:35,160 socialized and you you have to be so sensitive to everything, 1665 01:51:35,460 --> 01:51:38,880 and to everybody that your brain is, you know, has like, is 1666 01:51:38,880 --> 01:51:43,920 running it just 3000 RPM all the time, just to just to process 1667 01:51:43,920 --> 01:51:49,320 all the information and it makes you tired. And then probably 1668 01:51:49,320 --> 01:51:53,460 depressed. All right. Okay. Yes, I'm sorry. I will go to the next 1669 01:51:53,460 --> 01:51:56,730 one so we can continue and learn about it. I'm fascinated how I 1670 01:51:56,730 --> 01:51:58,230 can fix it. Fix myself. 1671 01:51:58,259 --> 01:52:00,209 Can you believe Trump wants to build a wall? I mean, that must 1672 01:52:00,209 --> 01:52:03,659 really bother you as a Mexican. Yeah. 1673 01:52:04,710 --> 01:52:09,780 I love Mexicans. They're so hard working. Yeah, they I mean, yes, 1674 01:52:09,780 --> 01:52:11,070 we are. We are great. 1675 01:52:16,020 --> 01:52:17,160 Crisis averted. 1676 01:52:21,120 --> 01:52:31,170 That's how you Viva Mexico. Crisis averted everybody. Oh. 1677 01:52:33,030 --> 01:52:37,920 All right. Point three. What is this from? Where did this come 1678 01:52:37,920 --> 01:52:38,370 from? 1679 01:52:38,729 --> 01:52:42,179 This is from zero plus, 1680 01:52:42,450 --> 01:52:45,240 this. This is serious. No, 1681 01:52:45,510 --> 01:52:52,500 thank god. She's like, who knows, man. This, this can be 1682 01:52:52,500 --> 01:52:54,840 played in schools. For all I know. 1683 01:52:57,479 --> 01:52:58,919 There's a reason to my man. 1684 01:53:02,100 --> 01:53:05,280 Every day, we learn more about how people of color live with 1685 01:53:05,280 --> 01:53:08,550 histories of oppression. And every day we forget about those 1686 01:53:08,550 --> 01:53:12,060 who also live with those histories. The oppressors? You 1687 01:53:12,060 --> 01:53:15,240 see, the average person of color has spent years developing a 1688 01:53:15,240 --> 01:53:17,940 thick skin when it comes to systemic racial oppression, 1689 01:53:17,970 --> 01:53:20,790 while the average white person can go through many of their 1690 01:53:20,790 --> 01:53:24,600 formative years without ever having to think about race. So 1691 01:53:24,630 --> 01:53:28,110 hearing about racism can be traumatic for your white co 1692 01:53:28,110 --> 01:53:31,860 workers and create a negative work environment. White 1693 01:53:31,860 --> 01:53:34,680 Privilege might seem like everything is easier all the 1694 01:53:34,680 --> 01:53:40,710 time. And it is can also be hard, because feelings are hard. 1695 01:53:43,950 --> 01:53:50,370 This is genius. This is very good. I like it. So this goes 1696 01:53:50,370 --> 01:53:53,280 back to what we talked talked about. We're dealing with 1697 01:53:53,280 --> 01:53:59,970 people, not my words. white fragility is a disability. So if 1698 01:53:59,970 --> 01:54:04,890 you take this literally, it's on the onus of the person is not 1699 01:54:04,890 --> 01:54:11,400 disabled. To make their environment more palatable and 1700 01:54:12,690 --> 01:54:16,590 yes, to the person with the disability, yes, 1701 01:54:16,680 --> 01:54:20,130 unless, unless they have one leg that I don't know if that wins. 1702 01:54:20,760 --> 01:54:21,060 What 1703 01:54:21,240 --> 01:54:26,070 what I'm just saying is in this, this is a spoof, 1704 01:54:26,640 --> 01:54:29,670 but it's not that far from reality. 1705 01:54:29,970 --> 01:54:32,940 If you take it literal that the people that you're dealing with 1706 01:54:32,940 --> 01:54:39,930 are actually dealing with a illness. It's on you to 1707 01:54:39,960 --> 01:54:43,200 mold that provide that first clip had me totally hooked. I 1708 01:54:43,200 --> 01:54:44,400 thought it was totally real. 1709 01:54:45,450 --> 01:54:50,280 It could be this this is the dimension thing. You were you 1710 01:54:50,280 --> 01:54:54,600 were in one dimension. Yep. I sure wasn't looking at anything. 1711 01:54:55,080 --> 01:54:57,570 You were in one dimension looking at it. So you like this 1712 01:54:57,570 --> 01:54:58,170 seems 1713 01:54:58,800 --> 01:54:59,970 real, totally real. 1714 01:55:01,170 --> 01:55:07,020 which it is, if you take this term white fragility series on 1715 01:55:07,020 --> 01:55:07,680 its own merit? 1716 01:55:07,710 --> 01:55:13,050 Yeah. You tricked me was good. That's very good. 1717 01:55:13,799 --> 01:55:16,919 Well, let's get into the solution. Whoo, I 1718 01:55:16,920 --> 01:55:17,580 can't wait. 1719 01:55:18,930 --> 01:55:21,960 Being sensitive to white fragility is difficult, which is 1720 01:55:21,960 --> 01:55:25,890 why we've devised a simple system to help you foster a non 1721 01:55:25,890 --> 01:55:28,980 hostile work environment for your white employees and co 1722 01:55:28,980 --> 01:55:37,020 workers. Stop, ignore, listen, emphasize, never complain. And 1723 01:55:37,080 --> 01:55:43,020 eat. We like to call it the Cylance system. Let's watch what 1724 01:55:43,020 --> 01:55:45,570 happens when Cylance is put into action. 1725 01:55:49,560 --> 01:55:57,300 That's your solution, a Cylance. fillets. Would you care to see 1726 01:55:57,300 --> 01:55:58,350 still it's in action, 1727 01:55:58,410 --> 01:56:01,080 I would love to see some Cylance in action mo 1728 01:56:01,710 --> 01:56:02,610 4.1. 1729 01:56:02,970 --> 01:56:09,090 So I'm not racist. Stop. Like I voted for Obama. Ignore, like, I 1730 01:56:09,090 --> 01:56:12,870 understand the reason for the Black Lives Matter movement. 1731 01:56:13,140 --> 01:56:18,270 Listen, but it's just like, all lives do matter. Empathize. I 1732 01:56:18,270 --> 01:56:22,260 just feel like race really isn't relevant to kind of America 1733 01:56:22,260 --> 01:56:24,930 anymore. Never complain? 1734 01:56:25,140 --> 01:56:29,310 You're really easy to talk to Adrian, and II? 1735 01:56:29,850 --> 01:56:34,380 That's right. Excellent. Adrian was able to defuse a potentially 1736 01:56:34,380 --> 01:56:38,340 hostile work situation by using sillens. Great work, Adrian. 1737 01:56:39,780 --> 01:56:43,890 America is a beautiful country built on some ugly things. 1738 01:56:44,850 --> 01:56:48,090 Things that just don't belong in the workplace. And in order to 1739 01:56:48,090 --> 01:56:51,600 remain productive, we must all pitch in to protect our most 1740 01:56:51,600 --> 01:56:55,620 powerful and most fragile, because when sillens works, 1741 01:56:55,890 --> 01:57:00,840 everyone works. So let's all be sensitive. White sensitive. 1742 01:57:04,860 --> 01:57:07,680 Very good. Very, very, very good. 1743 01:57:09,870 --> 01:57:14,430 Now there were there you have it. That is a wrap up or white 1744 01:57:14,430 --> 01:57:15,090 fragility. 1745 01:57:15,480 --> 01:57:20,940 Yeah. Excellent. Mo, thank Thank you. You helped a lot. I'm going 1746 01:57:20,940 --> 01:57:25,830 to have to review this for myself, particularly the fact 1747 01:57:25,830 --> 01:57:32,010 that well, this is the bottom line, my take away. Let's get 1748 01:57:32,010 --> 01:57:37,170 together brothers and sisters of all human resources and fight 1749 01:57:37,170 --> 01:57:42,690 the real power. The true supremacy, the bloodlines, who 1750 01:57:42,720 --> 01:57:52,170 obviously our have figured out through media, how to keep us 1751 01:57:52,710 --> 01:57:58,650 enslaving ourselves. It's a fantastic system works it just 1752 01:57:58,890 --> 01:58:03,780 works like a mofo. It's fantastic. Now, of course, 1753 01:58:03,780 --> 01:58:08,100 inherently, people who probably listen to this podcast already 1754 01:58:08,610 --> 01:58:13,800 have some armor against this but it's what a fantastic way to 1755 01:58:13,800 --> 01:58:17,130 unpack it. Thank you Mo. I really appreciate I always do, 1756 01:58:17,130 --> 01:58:19,410 but this is another one of those. I'm like, Oh, I'm gonna 1757 01:58:19,410 --> 01:58:22,110 go downstairs told Tina like oh, man, you just gonna have to 1758 01:58:22,380 --> 01:58:25,290 cancel work. You have to listen to this. She only has a 10 1759 01:58:25,290 --> 01:58:30,870 minute commute now so it's a problem. Oh man, so does I know. 1760 01:58:31,710 --> 01:58:38,340 I hate my commute is too short. This is the kind of value that 1761 01:58:38,370 --> 01:58:43,410 we love to bring to you. Now please consider sending some 1762 01:58:43,410 --> 01:58:47,100 monetary value us a number that means something to you write us 1763 01:58:47,100 --> 01:58:50,160 a note. We're going to be talking about some of those on 1764 01:58:50,160 --> 01:58:55,170 the next episode 25 And you could find us at mo fax.com. To 1765 01:58:55,170 --> 01:59:02,010 go directly to the donation page mo fund me.com M moefund.com. 1766 01:59:02,280 --> 01:59:06,600 And as I always say, pay attention to everything and the 1767 01:59:06,600 --> 01:59:07,890 truth will reveal itself 1768 01:59:08,100 --> 01:59:12,990 and the truth will reveal reveal itself tomorrow tomorrow. itself 1769 01:59:13,110 --> 01:59:16,380 next week. I can't wait that's why I wanted it for tomorrow. 1770 01:59:16,830 --> 01:59:31,830 Thank you take everybody we'll talk to you soon. No that makes 1771 01:59:31,830 --> 01:59:37,470 me know that I can leave your past 1772 01:59:42,750 --> 01:59:45,330 is knowing I'm not shackled by for God. 1773 01:59:48,330 --> 01:59:54,150 And you're Ciao