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mo facts with Adam curry for
February 11 2020. This is

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episode number 25. Coming up on
a six month, month aversary I

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doing mo

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I'm doing good Adam, how about
yourself?

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Yeah, fantastic, man. Next
episode will be six months of

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consistent no mo facts with Adam
curry programming.

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Wow, that's a nice milestone.

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Yeah, well, well, for us it is
certainly. And who knew I had no

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idea we went into this and I
don't know, it could be a couple

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shows. And it looks like we're
stuck, stuck together for a

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while now.

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And I still don't know what this
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before we start, I want to ask
you a question. I was watching

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the the New Hampshire primaries.
And for me, it's always

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interesting to watch what the
what the the so called analysts

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are saying because they're all
paid by someone to say

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something. And I heard Joy Reid,
actually say that. Now that

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Biden is off the radar, which he
is and of course, I think that's

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because they only need him for
impeachment that dropped him.

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She said. And she said African
Americans so she meant a Doss.

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Although Gee, you'll never hear
her use that term unless it's

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followed by Russian bot. She,
she said now Oh, yeah, no, the

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black vote. They're all going to
go to Bloomberg. And I said

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really? So I wanted to ask you
if you thought that had any

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validity isn't that crazy?

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Well, that's the that's the
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I saw a poll on MSNBC the other
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neck and neck for the black
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I think I was looking because
Biden went straight to South

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Carolina didn't even hang hang
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in New Hampshire. It looked like
he was setting up at a nation of

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Islam clubhouse. I swear to God,
there was like the I saw the

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kind of like the flag on the
wall. Like what? Where the hell

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is he? He's going straight deep
into territory. It's

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unbelievable.

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Wow. Yeah. Okay. I mean, yeah,

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we'll have to see. Anyway, I
just wanted to make sure that I

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wasn't nuts. I mean, I know joy.
Reid has agendas. And she does

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not she's like she's speaking on
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Well, you know, I know exactly.
Black women won't do that

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African American women just say
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over there. Okay, you might have
that wrong. Joy read this time

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around.

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Well, no, he Bloomberg is
synonymous with stop and frisk.

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Right. Exactly. How can you eat
that's what I mean. How you even

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suggested isn't that like the
number one guy that that would

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be? despised?

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Well, they've been given their
talking points. We know

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Bloomberg has deep pockets.
Yeah. Oh, that's the guy. They

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want him to want to be nice. You
got what you got to socialist.

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Oh, yeah. No, I know exactly why
I just wanted to make sure that

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I wasn't nuts because she said
it was such conviction. I'll

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play it on no agenda on on
Thursday. We'll talk about it.

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what? Well, what is a good lead
into where we're headed? Well,

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well, hold on a second.

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All right. Spin the wheel, the
wheel of spin and spin the

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wheel. Where it stops. Nobody
knows. It's the wheel

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that's right. We got the wheel
of toxic jingle now Ma. Like

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we're becoming a real podcast.
We have sound imaging. I see

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that. So now I have to actually
spin

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and no, what is it going to be?
Where does the lucky we'll stop

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today. What is our topic for
Mofaz with Adam curry 25

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Kobe bean Bryant and the fallout
of his demise.

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Oh man, I'm so glad you're doing
this mo because I spent more

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than I typically would like
really like a minute extra on

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this Snoop Gayle King thing and
I'm like, let me see what's

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going on here. And then and then
we get Susan Rice of all people.

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So Gary gobbles curry goggle.

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Sorry. All right.

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I put the curry muzzle on true.
Okay. Anyway, so I saw that and

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I actually thought to myself, is
this worth my time to make

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decisions about stuff like, is
this worth my time? And I have

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to honestly say like, No, I just
can't do this. You know, we got

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flu. We Wuhan flu. We got all
kinds of stuff happening the

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economics of it. And here we
are. You picked it up. And so I

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know we're in for a grand ride

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so the reason why I chose this
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at first because I thought it
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yeah it's like a show show busy
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chasing the clicks no of course
never suit that I never tried to

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chase the clicks if you notice
on on our podcast titles we do

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ourselves no favors

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the most complicated titles code
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out to even want to listen to
yes you're right.

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Right so I never I never covered
this we talked about it maybe

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two minutes on one of our
previous just show it knowledge

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you know that he passed away,
right? But the aftermath and all

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the nuances and I'll figure it a
lot of people didn't really

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witness what they were seeing.

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Now you are I know you're a
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well. Yes. Okay. All right.

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All right. Soccer ball ball ball
to sports I'm really into

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well so let's just for people
who are new I know nothing. I

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was able to completely
deconstruct the helicopter crash

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I'm very good at that. But I
know nothing about sports. I you

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know, Kobe is just a name to me.
So I have no I have no dog in

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the hunt, whatever. But I'm also
ignorant so just want to set

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that up because I may sound
stupid from time to time.

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No, it's good because you don't
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being a fan or not. Okay. Yes,
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I'm completely not on non bias
unaffiliated, etcetera.

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So I'll bounce things off of you
and you tell me if I'm reaching

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or if it makes sense. All right,
so we got where we got to pick

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up is the actual Kobe Bryant's
death

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can be Roberts in our NBC Sports
studios. But now you've likely

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heard the shocking and terrible
news NBA superstar Kobe Bryant

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41 years of age, was killed in a
helicopter crash earlier today

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just outside of Los Angeles.
total of five people have been

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reported to have perished in the
accident. Five time NBA champion

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who is a candidate for the Hall
of Fame this year was known to

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have used a helicopter to travel
for years dating back to when he

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played for the Lakers and
commuted from Newport Beach to

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the Staples Center. This the
scene just moments ago in Denver

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prior to the nuggets game
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Elsewhere, the sports world
understandably convulsed in

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immediate shock and sadness Bill
Russell, the Hall of Fame center

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for the Celtics says you were my
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yours as well. Patrick mahomes
with the Kansas City Chiefs on

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his way to the Super Bowl,
expressing the thoughts of many,

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our IP Mamba, using the nickname
that Kobe Bryant was known by.

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And Tom Brady, not much to say.
We miss you already. Kobe.

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Details are still emerging. The
LA County Sheriff's Department

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has scheduled a five o'clock
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NBC News, we'll bring that to
you. Again, terrible news on

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this day Brian is survived by
his wife, Vanessa, and their

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four daughters and thoughts are
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Hey, can I give my immediate
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the football guys speaking out.

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I'm just saying mahomes. And Tom
Brady is like I would have

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expected more basketball player
mentions. But okay.

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I think the basketball players
took it harder. So they were

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slower to write Africa. Even in
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count was only five. And he said
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don't know if it played out or
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by four daughters. So this was
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is like, starting at the very
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beginning. Got it. Just a little
background on my viewpoint of

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Kobe, where it's almost the same
age, he was 41 I turned 40 This

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year, kind of like grew up
together. He he went straight to

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the NBA from high school. That
was kind of rare at the time,

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but it was seen as seen as quite
an achievement. No.

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Yeah. Oh, man. It was I mean, he
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maybe the way I put it is he was
the first iteration of Lebron

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James. Okay, got it. of NBA
ready. You know, superstar. I

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mean, he David brandy. He took
her to the prom. I mean, this

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guy was like, willing, he just
for my just for me being at high

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school was like, you know, you
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I mean, he had a great well, his
image was great because he had a

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you know, clean cut image and he
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Allen Iverson, who was the bad
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Okay, I got you So there's your,
your wrestling element.

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Right? So that's where we are.
So now, we're at the point Kobe

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has just died. And it was like a
kick in the stomach for a lot of

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people, even myself. I mean, I'm
not a crier and nothing like

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that. And I'm not as what they
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But I was like, dang, somebody
my age that you know, you grew

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up watching is dead. I mean,
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makes you stop. Sure. Don't
worry, you get used to it, you

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get used to it. Well,

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that's the problem, like, this
age, like, wow, like, Whoa, my

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brother called me. I was like,
Okay, so why did like everybody

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else, like cut on all the news
that we could get? I'm looking

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through social media. I'm just
trying to see if it's real. If

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he's gonna come back. No, it
wasn't that that was the case.

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And I start watching the
timeline. And right off the bat.

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There was a slip of a word by
Miss Allison Moore's

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bath like the kind of straw that
was perfectly cast on the Los

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Angeles Lakers. Los Angeles
Lakers. Kavita, if I asked you

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to stay with us, we're going to
ask like the kind of store that

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was perfectly cast on the Los
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Lakers. Kavita, if I could ask
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Yeah, the whole world saw this.
I think that was quite the

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retweet.

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So this was maybe an hour or
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after the news had been
announced. And like that just

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sit from my timeline from my
black timeline. Like what does

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she say? Now? There is some
conversation. Does she say the N

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word? Are you hearing the N
word? I've got things like one

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that dress thing with the Is it
blue and gold? Or is it you

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know, you know, it's trying to
strike drill? You

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know what her experience was?
Was? Yeah, she's

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trying to Yeah, go ahead.

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She's what I what I heard. She
said, Yes, she was mixed up

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between the Lakers and the
Knicks. Of course, Kobe is never

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played for the Knicks. He's
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that that's why it came out
Nixon. To me, it did sound a

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little more K ish than G ish.
And no matter. I mean, everybody

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heard what it sounded like,
there's no disagreement about

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that zero. We all know what it
sounded like. And it was just a

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fucked up moment.

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Now this, this is the debate
this and that's why I brought

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the dress thing where some
people saw it, but blue and

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black and, you know, the it's
the viral image I'm talking

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about where half the people were
divided on what color was the

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dress? Okay, so this is a case
of what dimension you're in. And

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what did you hear? Now, I did my
due diligence, and I went and

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found slowed down audio.

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That's usually my job. Nice.
Alright. though. I think this is

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an Eddie Murphy bit where that
the N word is really drawn out

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really slowly. Okay.

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All right. So let's just hear
from the people.

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Here, deep fake research. All
right, here we go.

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It seems like he was just the
kind of athlete the kind of star

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that was perfectly cast on the
Los Angeles Lakers Los Angeles

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Lakers. Kavita, if I could ask
you to stay with us. We're gonna

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go nickers nickers nickers
nickers Los Angeles Lakers. Los

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Angeles Lakers. Los Angeles
Lakers. Los Angeles Lakers

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sneakers. Los Angeles Lakers
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Lakers. Los Angeles Lakers.
Lakers. Lakers. Los Angeles

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Lakers. Los Angeles Lakers.
Yeah, it seems like he was just

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the kind of athlete the kind of
star that was perfectly cast on

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the Los Angeles Lakers Los
Angeles Lakers. Kavita, if I

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could ask you to stay with us.
We're gonna go nickers nickers

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nickers nickers Los Angeles
Lakers. Los Angeles Lakers. Los

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Angeles Lakers. Los Angeles
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Well, okay, I certainly yes, you
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it as a full on and word that
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I'm on that side of the fence.
Now. What she meant to say I'm

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not I'm not giving her side of
her brain. But what was her is

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the most important thing and
people were shooting to cancel

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her immediately so that they
sign a petition, not think MSNBC

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let her gorse or suspended her.
Find out? Yes, I couldn't find

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out. She's in hiding right like
journalists. Right now. Like,

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you know what you're in that in
between zone. Well, we don't

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really want to fight you fire
you but you're in progress.

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You're in Purgatory. Yeah. Yeah.
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if, if that word comes out like
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kind of interesting to think.
Was she being scripted because

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everything on these shows is
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be very rare if there was a
breaking news moment which I

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went to kind of sounds like but
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lib. That's not that may happen
but it's not that typical,

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although this case was such a
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that there could be some prompt
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by the banker man

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yeah, oh, dude, I most of my
professional life I worked with

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teleprompters now I, I have to
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reading and reading and around
what's on the what's on the

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copy. But if something weird is
there, you know what something

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stumbled? I don't know. That
word is not something that flips

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flips out of my mouth at all
ever. So it's something close

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that something that she must
have said some time or I don't

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know, I don't want to accuse
her. But I I can certainly put

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myself in, in both dimensions
and I but I hear it too. I hear

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Okay, so what I'm doing here is
setting the tone. So we have

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thank you so much celebrity you
pass away. And a couple of hours

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later. You hear this and like
the timeline is like goes into a

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blaze right. So next, we have
Miss Felicia son Sonmez. She

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goes to tweeting about Kobe
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The Washington Post has
suspended one of its reporters

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after tweeting an article length
including rape accusations from

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the early 2000s About NBA legend
Kobe Bryant. Felicia Sonmez is a

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political reporter for the post.
She has since deleted the tweet

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but has reportedly received
1000s of death threats and her

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home address has even been doxed
online for reaction. Let's bring

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in Bill Richards. He's a media
critic for The Arizona Republic

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joining us from Phoenix a bill
has the Washington Post

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mishandled the situation. How
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what was the reaction?

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I think they had mishandled it.
I'm I think that they've

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overreacted. I think that the
assault charges against Bryant

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were while certainly not the big
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in any complete story. When
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reaction to his death, and to a
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and it's certainly not what you
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most important part of the story
as it's breaking, particularly

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in the way he died. I mean, he
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illness or anything. I mean, I
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sudden, and because he was so
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that's in part why she got that
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Anybody who, who wrote about
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reaction. Mm hmm. Yeah, I
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So make a note of that. Well, he
just said, you know, whoever

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said anything about that case,
got this reaction. I mean, she

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received death threats,

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right. In my mind was doxxed. My
view on that is it's the blue

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checkmark brigade trying to get
some attention. It was

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completely unnecessary. She
could have done that in two

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weeks or whatever. It was all
about getting attention. It was

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to me disgusting. I don't care
who it is.

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Yeah, and she looked at him as
an easy target because for

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clicks

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for her own clicks. Not even
that mo This is purely egotism.

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Oh, I'm gonna make sure
everybody knows this. Yeah, it's

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like canceled culture bullcrap.

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True. I'm just saying she looked
at him. It's easy. Tarik, like,

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yeah, he was he was charged,
charged or had an accusation

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made against him. So my sisters
in feminism will be with me to

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you're saying to basically what
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drag. That's who she was talking
to. Sure.

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Right. Right. So so the WaPo
gets criticized for their

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actions.

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Know the Washington

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Post is being criticized for
suspending a reporter over a

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series of tweets in the wake of
Kobe Bryant's death. The Post

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said Monday, it had placed
Felicia Sonmez on paid

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administrative leave after she
tweeted a 2016 Daily Beast

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article about Brian's rape case,
hours after the former NBA star

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died in a helicopter crash
Sonmez. His post generated a lot

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of backlash on social media, and
she later tweeted she'd received

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1000s of abuse and death
threats. She also tweeted a

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screenshot of her email inbox
which displayed some of those

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abusive messages and the names
of the people who'd sent them.

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According to The New York Times,
the post executive editor told

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her via email her tweets were
represented a real lack of

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judgment and she was hurting
this institution by doing this

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shortly afterward, Sonmez
deleted the tweets at the

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direction of a managing editor.
That managing editor said later

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in a statement the tweets
displayed poor judgment that

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undermined the Washington Post
work and that the newspaper was

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reviewing whether the tweets
violated social media policy.

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The post newsroom union, the
newspaper guild protested Sonne

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Meza suspension and a letter
Monday urging the newspaper to

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take immediate steps to ensure
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statement condemning abuse of
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I hate this so much it was so
she was she was posting

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screenshots of death threats in
her email. That's what she was

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doing.

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Yes. Okay.

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One of the she violated one of
the most important rules of

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journalism. Don't make yourself
the story and she did that. So I

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have no respect for her no
matter what.

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Right. What we have here is you
have the nacre gate that stirred

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up the black social media crowd
question.

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Is there anywhere in the
parlance maybe amongst the team

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or fantasy team? Has anyone ever
called them the Los Angeles

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Lakers and you know what word I
meant obviously, is that like I

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said, like a joke or thing that
people say no okay ever heard.

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I'll just check

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got there Yeah, no, no,

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I'm done. Yeah, I just had to
ask that was bugging me All

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right.

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Another thing we had to realize
too I think we've touched on

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this before is sports in America
is a religion yes there is a

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religion Yes. We you see these
guys jerseys being burned when

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they leave the team is cut their
gods are leaving their team and

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so when you come in smear one of
their Gods names on the very day

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that he died you're gonna get
you're gonna get this reaction

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Yeah, of course you're gonna get
this reaction that I don't think

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that was really race base
because please, just the the

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reason why I say that is is
whether race base from the fan

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because you have some rabid Kobe
fans of all color of course.

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Yeah. All nationality. So I
don't want to make it seem like

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I want to put each one of the
things in the buckets. They go,

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because it's gonna it's gonna
matter later. Okay. Kobe fans

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are so he has some of the most
rabid fans. When LeBron James

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decided to come to LA to play,
these artists would go paint

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murals for Lebron James. And
basically they will get tags and

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know this. This is this would be
called beach town. I'm just, I'm

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just setting this the same for
you.

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Yeah. Quiet. This is Kobe Kobe's
house here.

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Yeah, this is called his house.
I mean that that was the

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sentiment like LeBron will never
replace Kobe. So I'm just giving

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you a context. But he was loved
to LA and the world but in LA,

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you know, saying especially. So
let's continue on the next

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Whopper clip.

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But late Tuesday, the post
lifted Sonmez suspension in a

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statement to newsy. It said
after conducting an internal

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review, we have determined that
while we consider Felicia his

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tweets ill timed. She was not in
clear and direct violation of

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our social media policy. Yeah,
all right.

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So the guests the guild, I mean,
the writers union leaned on the

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WaPo

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Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. It's free
speech, man.

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And one thing I've noticed is
the media. They stick together,

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regardless, whenever it's the
media versus anybody, oh, the

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media is gonna stick together.
And no matter how wrong that

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person is, they're gonna make
justifications for, you know,

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his journalistic integrity,
integrity, and I had to, you

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know, I had they had to ask the
tough questions, you know, so

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that's what we're

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that's where we're headed. Of
course, I know exactly. Yeah.

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That that is, when do you ask
the tough questions is always

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the right is important.

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It timing is everything. So we
have Miss Lindsay grant, you're

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on Granger from the daily blast.
She goes and checks Felicia

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Sonmez

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I'm looking at the journalist
Felicia and she is somebody who

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has gone through sexual assault
herself. And she said that in

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the Washington Post, she
released an article a couple of

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years ago, detailing her
experience. So as a journalist,

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which is not what we do, we are
a talk show with the brave new

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world and I was a journalist for
10 years prior to taking this

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job. So as a journalist, it's
our job to objectively report

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the news. I know that that will
be tough if you're someone who

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survived sexual assault, but
when I'm looking at the story,

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she didn't give the story any
context and she got upset that

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she was the being attacked on
Twitter for tweeting a link that

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basically was condemning Cobis
character and accusing him of

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rape. But I think her job as a
journalist was to put that in

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context, you have the
responsibility, and you need to

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have the journalistic acumen, to
write the full story, go to the

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Washington Post and say, This
man is a nuanced character. This

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man has a detailed layered
history that we need to discuss.

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But don't just tweet that out
and be the political reporter

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for The Washington Post and
tweet that and leave it there.

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Because you're leaving yourself
open to the attacks that you're

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now receiving as to whether or
not she should be fired. You

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know, I think that she should be
put on leave like she was. I

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think it's inappropriate,
because we're in a time where we

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don't know what journalism is
anymore. We have our president

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that attacks journalists, we
have TMZ that broke the news to

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Vanessa Bryant that her husband
passed away. You know, what are

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we doing now? That?

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Yeah, this is this is again,
it's, this takes a one this is

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what the machine is, this is how
the machine works. Oh, good.

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Made it about us. Let's talk
about us. Let's talk about how

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the President is mean to us. And
it is so hard, we've got these

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click fuckers over there from
TMZ doing horrible shit. This is

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where

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Khashoggi used to show all the
other stuff he did just

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put out, it's only about because
that's an n, if anything, it's

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my life's work, is that people
realize it's better to turn the

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television off. I will have
succeeded. This is this is.

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Yeah.

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And I'm here to join you on that
mission. Of course, we have to

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really understand what the media
is and reason why I brought it

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brought up. Khashoggi is, no
matter what his negatives were.

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The fact that he was a member of
the quote unquote, member of the

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media. Yep. They washed
whitewashed all that. Yeah. And

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it was like he he wrote, he was
a journalist, you know, he has

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some nefarious things going on
with him. But when the shoes on

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the other foot, they don't have
that same mentality. It's like,

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oh, yeah, we drag this guy for
clicks and ran in a way to come

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up.

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That's I like that term. Drag
him. That's cool. I like that.

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Yeah. So as Miss Lindsay Granger
pointed out on here, TMZ is the

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one that broke the news to
Kobe's wife that he was dead.

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We got a tip that this had
happened. And then we were on

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the phone with, with various
people from Kobes camp for an

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hour before we posted the story.
So, you know, all I can say is

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this, that when somebody of that
magnitude dies, so tragically,

442
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this becomes a worldwide massive
story. And when you look at the

443
00:27:48,660 --> 00:27:51,900
the way these things come down,
I mean, when you think about it,

444
00:27:52,950 --> 00:27:57,750
when there's a plane crash, when
you think about it, the media

445
00:27:57,930 --> 00:28:01,290
immediately says, you know,
flight, so and so going from Los

446
00:28:01,290 --> 00:28:05,820
Angeles to New York, you know,
and they're basically telling

447
00:28:05,850 --> 00:28:09,720
300 families knowing that their
relatives were on the plane,

448
00:28:09,930 --> 00:28:14,820
because it's a news event. And
they're not waiting for, you

449
00:28:14,820 --> 00:28:18,150
know, the sheriff or whoever to
come out with all of you know,

450
00:28:18,150 --> 00:28:21,330
the notifications or whatever,
because they record it because

451
00:28:21,330 --> 00:28:26,880
it's a news event. This, in our
judgment was such a big news

452
00:28:26,880 --> 00:28:31,260
event, that once we got and by
the way, we got it confirmed by

453
00:28:31,290 --> 00:28:35,070
Cobis people. That ultimately
that's what happened. That's

454
00:28:35,070 --> 00:28:36,750
that's how we ended up posting
it.

455
00:28:38,550 --> 00:28:40,920
Good for you, Harvey. You
followed all the journalistic

456
00:28:40,920 --> 00:28:42,120
rules. Very good.

457
00:28:42,360 --> 00:28:47,280
So you got in touch with Cobis
people are his camp. But his

458
00:28:47,280 --> 00:28:50,340
wife was blindsided by our news
and you said you talked to him

459
00:28:50,340 --> 00:28:54,840
for an hour. That's disgusting.
I mean, like, how can you not

460
00:28:54,840 --> 00:28:57,450
say okay, we need to get in
touch with the white first

461
00:28:57,810 --> 00:28:58,740
before you post

462
00:28:58,740 --> 00:29:01,230
it. Well, you know why?

463
00:29:02,520 --> 00:29:05,880
Yeah, cuz they want to be the
first to test to the headline.

464
00:29:05,880 --> 00:29:08,700
Yeah, I know. And it's just
disgusting. The

465
00:29:08,700 --> 00:29:11,910
public loves it. The public
loves it. You can't deny it.

466
00:29:11,910 --> 00:29:14,340
People love it. They want to
know they need info give me

467
00:29:14,340 --> 00:29:15,090
clicks, click click.

468
00:29:17,550 --> 00:29:24,900
Which is true. But if you're on
a phone with the camp, you would

469
00:29:24,900 --> 00:29:27,870
think it say have you talked to
his wife yet? But she know you

470
00:29:27,870 --> 00:29:31,410
know, before we run this thing
out here, but I have such

471
00:29:31,410 --> 00:29:33,420
disdain for TMZ Oh, yeah.

472
00:29:34,890 --> 00:29:37,170
It's soulless. Yes, parasites
correct.

473
00:29:38,430 --> 00:29:43,620
Because I honestly my personal
belief is TMZ is like a

474
00:29:45,450 --> 00:29:51,270
commercial form of an alphabet
organization. They have their

475
00:29:51,990 --> 00:29:57,030
they have their spies everywhere
hotels, restaurants. And this is

476
00:29:57,030 --> 00:29:59,580
how they operate. I mean, they
have tentacles everywhere.

477
00:29:59,760 --> 00:30:03,540
It's been Other than that, they
gladly take good tips from

478
00:30:03,540 --> 00:30:06,240
people everywhere and their
numbers well known people call

479
00:30:06,240 --> 00:30:07,500
in all the time and they pay
him.

480
00:30:08,550 --> 00:30:12,210
Yeah. And not only that, I mean,
they say they have these random

481
00:30:12,210 --> 00:30:15,660
people that call them, I think
they actually have plants show

482
00:30:16,140 --> 00:30:18,840
in the hotspots to shut your
mouth.

483
00:30:18,870 --> 00:30:20,280
Sure they do out,

484
00:30:20,520 --> 00:30:23,820
I want to give it example,
because TMZ hands is not clean,

485
00:30:23,820 --> 00:30:28,950
and this whole tearing down of
Kobe, and this was right when

486
00:30:28,950 --> 00:30:32,910
Kobe Bryant won his Oscar for
his short story, and the film

487
00:30:32,910 --> 00:30:36,570
that was made out of it, I want
you to hear one of the TMZ

488
00:30:36,570 --> 00:30:39,000
parasites and I'm gonna use that
tariff for them because that's

489
00:30:39,000 --> 00:30:43,350
what they are they just these be
like, like parasites. I mean,

490
00:30:43,350 --> 00:30:48,030
they just suck anything they can
listen to him running around at

491
00:30:48,030 --> 00:30:51,750
the Oscars where Kobe would
receive the reward his award,

492
00:30:52,410 --> 00:30:54,870
trying to stir up controversy.

493
00:30:56,580 --> 00:30:59,970
Kobe Bryant's when yeah, there's
a lot of people that are saying

494
00:30:59,970 --> 00:31:04,260
because he had some accusations
in the past. And they're kind of

495
00:31:04,290 --> 00:31:07,410
surprised that he won. What's
your reaction to that? Like?

496
00:31:08,100 --> 00:31:11,490
I don't know. I would like to
think I really don't know. But

497
00:31:11,520 --> 00:31:15,150
all I can say is I, I I'm kind
of willfully ignorant about the

498
00:31:15,150 --> 00:31:19,980
situation. But my hope is that
the project itself was judged on

499
00:31:19,980 --> 00:31:24,180
its merits. And that's and
that's what we might have. Yeah,

500
00:31:24,210 --> 00:31:27,300
so I'm sorry. I didn't have a
more interesting answer. You

501
00:31:27,300 --> 00:31:28,380
know, thanks a lot, guys.

502
00:31:28,860 --> 00:31:32,040
What you thought about Kobe and
winning the Oscar was

503
00:31:32,040 --> 00:31:34,290
incredible. Really? Like there
are a lot of people even though

504
00:31:34,290 --> 00:31:37,620
he's been accused of things in
the past like, you think that or

505
00:31:42,030 --> 00:31:42,870
watch movies.

506
00:31:44,010 --> 00:31:48,150
He won for Best Animated
documentary. Okay. So but he's

507
00:31:48,150 --> 00:31:50,850
like, you know, had some
accusations in the past. You

508
00:31:50,850 --> 00:31:51,900
think that matters?

509
00:31:53,670 --> 00:31:57,480
And a lot of thoughts on a lot
of things like that, but I'm

510
00:31:57,480 --> 00:31:58,710
gonna keep it political.

511
00:32:00,060 --> 00:32:02,580
What do you think about Kobe
Bryant winning an Oscar?

512
00:32:05,490 --> 00:32:06,690
Amazing. Yeah,

513
00:32:06,750 --> 00:32:10,350
yeah. Even even in light of the
whole metoo movement going on,

514
00:32:10,350 --> 00:32:13,290
you know, he had the allegations
years ago is is that okay, that

515
00:32:13,290 --> 00:32:14,700
he want to ask him? Well, I

516
00:32:14,700 --> 00:32:18,930
don't know. I don't know much
about his background. I mean,

517
00:32:18,930 --> 00:32:23,820
besides his career, but sure.
Yeah, I think that's great.

518
00:32:24,450 --> 00:32:26,550
Thank you one. Nice.

519
00:32:28,200 --> 00:32:30,660
Yeah, this is this is the
parasite trick. You know, this

520
00:32:30,660 --> 00:32:33,720
was, of course, right in the
middle of the meat to movement,

521
00:32:33,720 --> 00:32:36,570
which was big at the Oscars
amongst the virtue signalers.

522
00:32:36,930 --> 00:32:42,270
And this guy was literally told
by I presume, Harvey, go there

523
00:32:42,390 --> 00:32:46,440
and ask everybody about the rape
allegations? And if they think

524
00:32:46,440 --> 00:32:48,690
it's okay, just ask them that.
And that's exactly what he did.

525
00:32:48,690 --> 00:32:52,800
Because the guy's a bot. He's
just like, and it's funny,

526
00:32:52,800 --> 00:32:55,170
because I always hear these
guys. He's also trying to suck

527
00:32:55,170 --> 00:32:57,540
up to the stars. He doesn't want
to be too embarrassing. You

528
00:32:57,540 --> 00:33:01,470
know, Hey, man, hey, hey, you
know, what do you think? And

529
00:33:01,620 --> 00:33:05,520
it's, it's what we do in
American media, particularly if

530
00:33:05,520 --> 00:33:09,300
you are a king or a hero or at
the top? Yeah, we'd like to,

531
00:33:09,330 --> 00:33:12,420
we'd like to bring people down
and then we have the comeback

532
00:33:12,420 --> 00:33:17,010
kid. It's, it's what we do. And
this was perfect, because oh,

533
00:33:17,010 --> 00:33:20,010
let's call some people out for
hypocrisy or something like

534
00:33:20,010 --> 00:33:21,690
that. It's a machine move.

535
00:33:22,920 --> 00:33:27,690
So to the machine Kobe had
gotten the green light or a pass

536
00:33:27,690 --> 00:33:32,460
because he received his Oscar he
didn't really get heckled or

537
00:33:32,460 --> 00:33:35,430
booed at the Oscar. So that was
like a weird thing. Because

538
00:33:35,430 --> 00:33:38,310
like, you would think that me
too. Crowle would a really

539
00:33:38,310 --> 00:33:41,910
struck it up on him. But they
never could get any traction. So

540
00:33:41,910 --> 00:33:44,040
that just made me wonder like,
you know,

541
00:33:45,210 --> 00:33:48,720
Mo if I can just interject,
they'd been Kobe rep it

542
00:33:48,720 --> 00:33:52,260
certainly at that moment in his
life and career represented

543
00:33:52,260 --> 00:33:59,520
huge. Money. Huge corporate
interest. Big goggles. Sorry.

544
00:34:01,170 --> 00:34:05,160
No, you're good. You're good now
is your

545
00:34:06,180 --> 00:34:10,080
man he's black that I mentioned
that. Oh, yeah. Oh, no.

546
00:34:10,350 --> 00:34:12,330
That's that he was you were on a
roll there.

547
00:34:13,709 --> 00:34:15,929
He's untouchable. Man. He was

548
00:34:16,620 --> 00:34:21,660
neg that's a negative it means
but the money thing he's he

549
00:34:21,660 --> 00:34:26,880
worked he's worked for Nike.
We've saw that he had a chops to

550
00:34:26,880 --> 00:34:33,840
create go in content. He was a
content creator. So yeah, they

551
00:34:33,840 --> 00:34:37,710
saw pass Yeah, they saw pass it
like hands off. Nope. I mean,

552
00:34:37,740 --> 00:34:40,560
even at the Oscars now. If you
notice, even when they were

553
00:34:40,560 --> 00:34:44,430
asked a question I don't know
nothing about Kobe, right. I'm

554
00:34:44,430 --> 00:34:49,650
not done. Yet the Arab I had
been coached up this say.

555
00:34:50,880 --> 00:34:54,120
Yeah, I'm just here to celebrate
life tonight. Everybody.

556
00:34:55,619 --> 00:34:59,969
Right? Well in the past and the
Kobe is one guy that didn't

557
00:34:59,999 --> 00:35:03,209
Message and that's Mr. Ari
Shaffir.

558
00:35:03,750 --> 00:35:07,830
In all nine lives were taken in
a helicopter crash in Calabasas

559
00:35:07,920 --> 00:35:12,600
with countless lives beyond
affected by a no sugarcoating

560
00:35:12,600 --> 00:35:18,180
it. devastating tragedy. That
was until one comedian rubs salt

561
00:35:18,270 --> 00:35:19,620
in an open wound because I know

562
00:35:19,620 --> 00:35:23,220
there's always a lot of like
hate pain in the world and so as

563
00:35:23,220 --> 00:35:26,760
much terrible stories, meet
Orisha fears every once in a

564
00:35:26,760 --> 00:35:31,170
while there's a good story. A
good story comes out a guy who

565
00:35:31,170 --> 00:35:40,140
got away with rape got his today
Kobe Bryant is up here at

566
00:35:40,140 --> 00:35:45,030
Charlotte home a team that
originally drafted him maybe

567
00:35:45,030 --> 00:35:47,040
wouldn't have read that chicken
Denver if he had been if it

568
00:35:47,040 --> 00:35:48,270
stayed in Charlotte, the Hornets

569
00:35:48,539 --> 00:35:52,139
should fear within the upper
echelon categorization of tone

570
00:35:52,139 --> 00:35:55,559
deaf reactions. It gets worse
Shapiro tweeted Kobe Bryant died

571
00:35:55,559 --> 00:35:59,009
23 years too late. He got away
with rape because all the

572
00:35:59,009 --> 00:36:02,339
Hollywood liberals who attack
comedy enjoy rooting for the

573
00:36:02,339 --> 00:36:05,879
Lakers more than they dislike
rape Big ups to the hero who

574
00:36:05,879 --> 00:36:09,749
forgot to gas up his chopper. I
hate the Lakers. What a great

575
00:36:09,749 --> 00:36:12,689
day. He claimed he was hacked.
But you get the point

576
00:36:14,639 --> 00:36:18,869
rather than another decade,
who's just oh, let me do this.

577
00:36:18,869 --> 00:36:21,569
And I'll get attention because
I've never heard of Ari David

578
00:36:21,569 --> 00:36:22,799
Shaffir before?

579
00:36:23,610 --> 00:36:30,330
Yes. But all in all, a being a
butthole. He did say some truth

580
00:36:30,360 --> 00:36:36,570
there that we even foreshadow to
that. The liberal Hollywood had

581
00:36:36,570 --> 00:36:37,560
planned for Kobe.

582
00:36:38,670 --> 00:36:40,470
Yes. So

583
00:36:42,300 --> 00:36:45,420
this is from TYT just to let
people know this is from Young

584
00:36:45,420 --> 00:36:51,930
Turks sports. And watch how in
this next clip, the narrator

585
00:36:51,930 --> 00:36:55,860
doesn't let opportunity to
politicize this. Get past him.

586
00:36:56,039 --> 00:36:59,969
Side note the Hollywood liberals
argument quick example. studios

587
00:36:59,969 --> 00:37:04,139
are contributing a plenty to the
NRA and pro gun politicians

588
00:37:04,169 --> 00:37:07,169
discarding the lives lost to gun
violence each and every day in

589
00:37:07,169 --> 00:37:11,639
America, including Netflix
Warner Brothers plus Comcast,

590
00:37:11,669 --> 00:37:14,969
the corporate parent of
universal pertaining to art many

591
00:37:14,969 --> 00:37:18,299
notables shared their opinions.
Oh,

592
00:37:20,190 --> 00:37:24,090
so nice that oh, the Hollywood
is not liberal, they donate to

593
00:37:24,270 --> 00:37:30,210
the NRA pro gun. Right? I mean,
come on. Come on, we all will is

594
00:37:30,510 --> 00:37:36,690
is on the cutting edge of of
liberalism. Right? So now Cobis

595
00:37:36,720 --> 00:37:39,630
legacy and this word, we're not
talking about the man and I

596
00:37:39,630 --> 00:37:45,450
don't really do the main stuff.
We taught. We always talked

597
00:37:45,450 --> 00:37:48,990
about the narrative and the
legacy and how people are, are

598
00:37:48,990 --> 00:37:55,950
used or Yeah, are weaponized. So
at the same time, why he was

599
00:37:55,950 --> 00:38:00,420
being attacked for being a
alleged rapist. Another

600
00:38:00,450 --> 00:38:05,130
demographic feminist, saw some
good to use Mr. Kobe Bryant,

601
00:38:05,430 --> 00:38:08,010
it's likely that you're hearing
many personal anecdotes about

602
00:38:08,010 --> 00:38:12,210
Kobe Bryant. So here's mine. I
met Kobe one time backstage at

603
00:38:12,210 --> 00:38:15,510
an event for ESPN in New York.
And I saw him and I thought, oh

604
00:38:15,510 --> 00:38:19,350
my gosh, that's Kobe, I gotta
get a picture for the gram.

605
00:38:19,410 --> 00:38:22,800
That's the picture. I didn't get
it for a few minutes. Because as

606
00:38:22,800 --> 00:38:26,040
I approached him, he immediately
commented on my rather large

607
00:38:26,040 --> 00:38:29,670
eight month pregnant belly, how
are you? How close are you? What

608
00:38:29,670 --> 00:38:33,690
are you having a girl I said,
and then he High five me girls

609
00:38:33,690 --> 00:38:36,990
with the best. I asked him for
advice on raising girls seem as

610
00:38:36,990 --> 00:38:39,960
though he quite famously had
three at the time. And he said,

611
00:38:39,960 --> 00:38:42,690
just be grateful that you've
been given that gift because

612
00:38:42,690 --> 00:38:46,110
girls are amazing. Just their
daughter, Bianca was about a

613
00:38:46,110 --> 00:38:48,600
year and a half old at the time.
So I asked if he wanted more

614
00:38:48,600 --> 00:38:51,360
children. And he said that his
wife Vanessa really wanted to

615
00:38:51,360 --> 00:38:55,200
try again, for a boy but we sort
of jokingly concerned that it

616
00:38:55,200 --> 00:38:58,680
would be another girl and I was
like, four girls. Are you

617
00:38:58,680 --> 00:39:01,830
joking? Like, what would you
think? How would you feel? And

618
00:39:01,830 --> 00:39:05,130
without hesitation? He said, I
would have five more girls if I

619
00:39:05,130 --> 00:39:08,610
could. I'm a girl dad. When it
came to sports. He said that his

620
00:39:08,610 --> 00:39:10,710
oldest daughter was an
accomplished volleyball player,

621
00:39:10,950 --> 00:39:14,730
and that the youngest was a
toddler so TBD. But that middle

622
00:39:14,730 --> 00:39:17,880
one, he said that middle, what
was a monster? She's a beast.

623
00:39:18,269 --> 00:39:21,029
She's better than I was at her
age. She's got it.

624
00:39:21,990 --> 00:39:24,960
That middle one, of course was
Gigi, when I reflect on this

625
00:39:24,960 --> 00:39:27,330
tragedy, and that half an hour
that I spent with Kobe Bryant

626
00:39:27,600 --> 00:39:30,780
two years ago, I suppose that
the only small source of comfort

627
00:39:30,780 --> 00:39:31,260
for me

628
00:39:31,680 --> 00:39:34,950
is knowing that he died doing
what he loved the most. The big

629
00:39:34,950 --> 00:39:37,140
a dad being a girl dad.

630
00:39:39,090 --> 00:39:49,560
One comment that was completely
written and read goggles.

631
00:39:50,789 --> 00:39:53,489
No, my Ella, Ella ducky. I mean,

632
00:39:53,519 --> 00:39:56,399
it was it was scripted. Yeah,
you could hear her reading it

633
00:39:56,429 --> 00:39:59,249
and you could hear her trying to
throw inflection into it and

634
00:39:59,249 --> 00:40:02,069
make it sound Conversation. Oh,
but it was scripted. And of

635
00:40:02,069 --> 00:40:04,439
course, she cried at the end.
That was nice. A nice touch.

636
00:40:04,499 --> 00:40:10,199
Yeah. So the feminists had two
different plans for Kobe.

637
00:40:10,889 --> 00:40:17,939
Because why he was a huge
supporter of women's basketball.

638
00:40:18,119 --> 00:40:21,359
And the WNBA is really
struggling right now and then we

639
00:40:21,359 --> 00:40:24,479
make hit. I mean, they never
made they've never made any

640
00:40:24,479 --> 00:40:26,009
money made a profit.

641
00:40:27,570 --> 00:40:30,960
It's pretty it's pretty bad when
in our country soccer, women's

642
00:40:30,960 --> 00:40:34,410
soccer is you know, leap years
ahead of women's basketball

643
00:40:35,460 --> 00:40:40,380
right so they saw an opportunity
here to say you know what, one

644
00:40:40,380 --> 00:40:43,890
faction and this is going to
show people when you use term

645
00:40:43,890 --> 00:40:48,180
like feminist or whatever the
SDR ism is there's always

646
00:40:48,180 --> 00:40:54,330
factions within those groups and
corporate faction saw weaker

647
00:40:54,330 --> 00:41:01,230
really monetize and you know use
this guy as a catalyst for our

648
00:41:01,230 --> 00:41:05,280
agenda money in the bank. Yeah,
the girl dad and that and it

649
00:41:05,280 --> 00:41:08,970
blew up girl dad was a big
hashtag watching No. Yeah, I was

650
00:41:08,970 --> 00:41:12,330
watching the Fox Morning News. I
don't I don't watch my wife

651
00:41:12,330 --> 00:41:15,120
watches it, but I mean, I have
to hear it. And it's like, Girl

652
00:41:15,120 --> 00:41:19,110
dad, girl, dad. I'm a girl dad,
you know? No. Oh, my dad's a

653
00:41:19,110 --> 00:41:22,260
girl dad. And I'm like, let's be
clear people. I have three

654
00:41:22,260 --> 00:41:30,930
daughters. Dad. Yeah, so I'm,
I'm a girl, dad. But I can say

655
00:41:30,960 --> 00:41:39,540
um, when you have girl girl girl
as a parent, in general, you

656
00:41:39,540 --> 00:41:43,950
looking? Maybe to have another
have, you know, have the

657
00:41:43,950 --> 00:41:46,140
opposite sex? You know? So you
have some? That's

658
00:41:46,140 --> 00:41:49,740
typically Yes. Yeah, typically a
ship, man. Give me one boy, I

659
00:41:49,770 --> 00:41:53,250
might as well. These three girls
can take care of them later on.

660
00:41:54,360 --> 00:41:58,050
Which the inverse of that, um, I
have two other brothers and no

661
00:41:58,050 --> 00:42:03,300
sisters. And my parents were
shooting for a girl. You know?

662
00:42:03,330 --> 00:42:08,130
So it works both ways. I'm not
saying no just got my cuts from

663
00:42:08,130 --> 00:42:12,600
one direction. But you can see
how they're weaponized and it

664
00:42:12,600 --> 00:42:17,940
was such a huge hashtag it bled
over into off one of our

665
00:42:17,940 --> 00:42:19,230
favorite shows the real

666
00:42:19,380 --> 00:42:21,210
goal. Oh, why don't

667
00:42:21,210 --> 00:42:24,360
begin again by giving our
condolences to Kobe Bryant's

668
00:42:24,360 --> 00:42:28,680
family on the tragic loss of
feminine sorter. And we want to

669
00:42:28,680 --> 00:42:32,520
give condolences to all the
victims of that tragic

670
00:42:32,520 --> 00:42:37,380
helicopter crash that happened
on Sunday. Out of that tragedy,

671
00:42:37,380 --> 00:42:42,330
though, there are some inspiring
amazing stories that are coming

672
00:42:42,360 --> 00:42:48,750
out about how Kobe touch so many
with just his thoughtfulness and

673
00:42:48,750 --> 00:42:51,090
his lovingness take a look at
this story.

674
00:42:51,690 --> 00:42:54,000
I asked if he wanted more
children. And he said that his

675
00:42:54,000 --> 00:42:57,570
wife Vanessa really wanted to
try again for a boy but was sort

676
00:42:57,570 --> 00:43:00,900
of jokingly concerned that it
would be another girl and I was

677
00:43:00,900 --> 00:43:04,050
like, four girls. Are you
joking? Like what would you

678
00:43:04,050 --> 00:43:07,650
think? How would you feel? And
without hesitation? He said I

679
00:43:07,650 --> 00:43:10,890
would have five more girls if I
could. I'm a girl dad.

680
00:43:13,079 --> 00:43:18,329
This video has since gone viral.
It was retweeted over 30,000

681
00:43:18,329 --> 00:43:24,389
times. ESPN, put it up and it's
it has many men proudly stating

682
00:43:24,389 --> 00:43:30,149
that they are hashtag girl dad.
So how do you feel about this?

683
00:43:31,440 --> 00:43:37,620
Wow. Let me tell you, I have
three girls I have a daughter

684
00:43:37,620 --> 00:43:41,160
and two stepdaughters. No way I
want no way. I want five more

685
00:43:41,160 --> 00:43:46,140
that no way. I don't care what
you say No way. Got testosterone

686
00:43:46,140 --> 00:43:48,720
around somewhere. Ah, yeah.
Balanced.

687
00:43:48,750 --> 00:43:52,920
I mean, just balanced. We asked
for some some balance. I mean,

688
00:43:53,310 --> 00:43:57,180
when my son came was like, Ooh,
at least at least I can relate

689
00:43:57,180 --> 00:44:03,030
to somebody you know. It gets it
becomes a bit interesting, but

690
00:44:03,150 --> 00:44:04,530
you can hear how

691
00:44:06,210 --> 00:44:08,520
Oh, yeah. Pro woman running with
it. Yeah.

692
00:44:09,780 --> 00:44:12,030
Well, which means Leo king

693
00:44:12,060 --> 00:44:15,630
would go on to say before you go
there, okay, which I find also

694
00:44:15,690 --> 00:44:19,140
inappropriate. It's just as
inappropriate as saying, well,

695
00:44:19,140 --> 00:44:23,820
there's his rape case. It just
isn't. Who gives a shit? That

696
00:44:23,820 --> 00:44:28,350
man has just died in? Oh, he was
so beautiful. Now, I don't like

697
00:44:28,350 --> 00:44:30,960
any of that. Whether it's
positive or negative, it's just

698
00:44:31,260 --> 00:44:35,280
it's I don't know if I find it
achy. Anyway,

699
00:44:36,000 --> 00:44:39,210
when they brought him down to
two things. It's like one he's a

700
00:44:39,210 --> 00:44:41,760
rapist and the other he's a dad
of girls.

701
00:44:41,820 --> 00:44:44,400
I heard he played basketball
too. I'm not sure if he was any

702
00:44:44,400 --> 00:44:45,930
good. unimportant. Okay,

703
00:44:45,960 --> 00:44:50,820
okay. We'll leave that up to
Nike, you know, exactly ready to

704
00:44:50,820 --> 00:44:55,650
monetize, however they got to
monetize. But Miss Gayle King,

705
00:44:55,680 --> 00:44:57,270
she didn't get the message.

706
00:44:57,449 --> 00:45:01,259
Let me get you up to speed on
Tuesdays. CBS This Morning aired

707
00:45:01,259 --> 00:45:05,609
gales interview with former WNBA
star Lisa Leslie. In the wide

708
00:45:05,609 --> 00:45:09,179
ranging interview, Gail asked
Kobe Bryant's longtime friend

709
00:45:09,179 --> 00:45:11,489
about his tragic death in
January,

710
00:45:11,550 --> 00:45:14,280
he will be missed, but he will
not be forgotten. That's for

711
00:45:14,280 --> 00:45:15,990
sure. Gail also asked

712
00:45:15,990 --> 00:45:20,310
about his 2003 rape charge and
subsequent criminal case,

713
00:45:20,489 --> 00:45:24,719
it's been said that his legacy
is complicated because of sexual

714
00:45:24,719 --> 00:45:29,099
assault charge, which was
dismissed in 2003 2004. Is it

715
00:45:29,099 --> 00:45:33,389
complicated for you as a woman
as a WNBA, player,

716
00:45:33,570 --> 00:45:37,800
COVID. And he was never like
that I just never see have ever

717
00:45:37,800 --> 00:45:41,970
seen him being the kind of
person that would be do

718
00:45:41,970 --> 00:45:44,970
something to violate a woman or
be aggressive in that way. This

719
00:45:44,970 --> 00:45:46,350
is not the person that I know.

720
00:45:46,500 --> 00:45:50,310
The network later posted a clip
of that specific moment and

721
00:45:50,310 --> 00:45:52,170
people got mad.

722
00:45:53,760 --> 00:45:55,980
Now, is it helpful to get
because this is where I kind of

723
00:45:55,980 --> 00:45:58,080
picked up the story, although
interestingly, I knew a lot

724
00:45:58,080 --> 00:46:01,620
about these other things. Do you
want to use I tell you how this

725
00:46:01,620 --> 00:46:04,920
came across and what this meant
to me and what I looked at,

726
00:46:05,280 --> 00:46:09,150
please, please. So and it was
the keeper was looking at this

727
00:46:09,210 --> 00:46:12,630
and she's heartbroken over this.
And she she's a sports fan,

728
00:46:12,720 --> 00:46:15,420
although we never watch sports,
but you know, she's Chicago,

729
00:46:15,420 --> 00:46:20,190
Chicago, bulls bears all this
stuff, socks. But she just

730
00:46:20,190 --> 00:46:23,070
heartbroken over, you know, I
think mainly because the

731
00:46:23,070 --> 00:46:27,630
daughter was on the was also on
the helicopter. And so she

732
00:46:27,630 --> 00:46:30,900
showed me this, and the
subsequent Snoop thing, but

733
00:46:30,900 --> 00:46:34,380
what, what what I heard, so I
saw this like, Huh, that's

734
00:46:34,380 --> 00:46:36,630
interesting. Yeah, it's kind of
a shitty question. But then I

735
00:46:36,630 --> 00:46:40,170
saw Gayle King's Instagram, I
know you're gonna get there, I'm

736
00:46:40,170 --> 00:46:45,000
sure. And, and her main point
was, well, it's bullshit.

737
00:46:45,120 --> 00:46:48,120
Because it's out of context. It
was a long interview, and I

738
00:46:48,120 --> 00:46:52,050
guess the Intuit even aired the
day or two days earlier. So I

739
00:46:52,050 --> 00:46:55,170
don't know if that was in the
interview. But it was the little

740
00:46:55,170 --> 00:46:59,640
clip that was put online, which
out of context, you know. And so

741
00:46:59,640 --> 00:47:01,830
at first, I was like, oh, man,
what a horrible woman to do

742
00:47:01,830 --> 00:47:06,030
that. And then her defense. as
a, as a journalist, I thought to

743
00:47:06,030 --> 00:47:09,630
myself, wow, yeah, I can kind of
understand that, you know, they

744
00:47:09,630 --> 00:47:12,840
do that kind of shitty stuff out
of context. And it can just hit

745
00:47:12,840 --> 00:47:16,800
wrong and get someone to rile it
up on social media. And so I

746
00:47:16,800 --> 00:47:21,150
kind of gave Gail in my mind a
pass and I that's when I dropped

747
00:47:21,150 --> 00:47:22,860
it. That's when I was done with
the whole thing.

748
00:47:23,730 --> 00:47:25,470
Well, hold on, carry no boy.

749
00:47:29,970 --> 00:47:33,090
Oh, boy, standby, everybody,
we're going down.

750
00:47:34,080 --> 00:47:39,030
Alright, so she said they took
it out of context. So we don't

751
00:47:39,030 --> 00:47:42,660
do sound clips and sound bites
on the show. No, we always go

752
00:47:42,660 --> 00:47:48,330
back and get the full audio.
That way we can make our own

753
00:47:48,330 --> 00:47:52,380
judgement if it was, you know,
cherry picked or if it was,

754
00:47:52,830 --> 00:47:57,240
actually was what she said where
she said, So and this next clip,

755
00:47:57,510 --> 00:48:02,610
I have the transition from one
subject to the next subject. In

756
00:48:02,610 --> 00:48:04,770
the actual interview with Lisa
Leslie,

757
00:48:04,980 --> 00:48:08,370
we know what Kobe is
accomplished. But Gigi hadn't

758
00:48:08,520 --> 00:48:12,540
she didn't have the full
opportunity to do that. Because

759
00:48:12,540 --> 00:48:18,600
you just know that she she had
the the mentality Mambas seemed

760
00:48:18,600 --> 00:48:21,900
it was gonna make it she was
going to be in the WNBA

761
00:48:22,079 --> 00:48:26,279
It's been said that his legacy
is complicated because of sexual

762
00:48:26,279 --> 00:48:30,659
assault charge, which was
dismissed in 2003 2004. Is it

763
00:48:30,659 --> 00:48:34,949
complicated for you, as a woman
as a WNBA? Player?

764
00:48:35,610 --> 00:48:38,850
It's not complicated for me at
all. Even if there's a few times

765
00:48:38,850 --> 00:48:41,490
that we've been at a club at the
same time club is not the kind

766
00:48:41,490 --> 00:48:45,180
of guy never been like, you
know, please go get that girl or

767
00:48:45,180 --> 00:48:48,480
tell her or send her this. I
have other NBA friends that are

768
00:48:48,480 --> 00:48:53,220
like that. COVID He was never
like that. I just never see have

769
00:48:53,220 --> 00:48:57,690
ever seen him being the kind of
person that would be do

770
00:48:57,690 --> 00:49:00,660
something to violate a woman or
be aggressive in that way. This

771
00:49:00,660 --> 00:49:02,010
is not the person that I know.

772
00:49:02,040 --> 00:49:05,280
But Lisa, you wouldn't see it
though. As his friend you

773
00:49:05,280 --> 00:49:06,030
wouldn't see it

774
00:49:06,059 --> 00:49:07,139
and that's possible.

775
00:49:09,420 --> 00:49:11,910
So that was that the real
transition? That was not an

776
00:49:11,910 --> 00:49:16,140
edit. Yes, that's the real
transcript and you sure because

777
00:49:16,140 --> 00:49:20,790
even the audio sounded like I
mean that was there a cut in the

778
00:49:20,790 --> 00:49:21,600
video?

779
00:49:22,500 --> 00:49:27,720
Well, I can't tell that I mean,
I'm sure it was edited when they

780
00:49:27,720 --> 00:49:30,150
edited it, but that's not an
editor of mine. This came from

781
00:49:30,150 --> 00:49:30,570
almost

782
00:49:30,630 --> 00:49:34,020
no I understand. I just want to
hear this came from Yeah, I just

783
00:49:34,020 --> 00:49:36,030
want to look at the waveform
Hold on a second. Let me let me

784
00:49:36,030 --> 00:49:36,480
just look at

785
00:49:37,380 --> 00:49:42,990
she she had the the mentality
mama Sita was gonna make it she

786
00:49:42,990 --> 00:49:45,660
was going to be in the WNBA It's
been

787
00:49:45,660 --> 00:49:46,770
said that his lips

788
00:49:46,829 --> 00:49:51,089
I don't know, man. That's hard
to tell. I'm zooming in. It's

789
00:49:51,089 --> 00:49:51,389
hard.

790
00:49:51,900 --> 00:49:54,600
I'm not I'm not taken away. It
could have been well, it's just

791
00:49:54,600 --> 00:49:56,430
one sec, edit it to the next
day.

792
00:49:56,429 --> 00:50:00,299
It's horrible if it no matter if
it was edited or not. If it's It

793
00:50:00,299 --> 00:50:01,949
went on the air like that. It's
horrible.

794
00:50:02,940 --> 00:50:08,040
Well, here's the thing is she
was just asked the question, you

795
00:50:08,040 --> 00:50:09,840
know if he's passed,

796
00:50:10,349 --> 00:50:13,259
okay, it was right after talking
about her daughter being great

797
00:50:13,259 --> 00:50:14,669
in the WNBA.

798
00:50:15,449 --> 00:50:19,469
True, but let's just say we're
gonna say we're gonna give her

799
00:50:19,469 --> 00:50:22,889
the benefit of doubt. She's
doing her journalistic due

800
00:50:22,889 --> 00:50:27,179
diligence. And she has to ask
the tough questions, right? Yes.

801
00:50:27,239 --> 00:50:31,049
And that was the justification
from a lot of other journalists

802
00:50:31,079 --> 00:50:34,379
or media. People. Well, she had
to ask the question, that's our

803
00:50:34,379 --> 00:50:39,149
job. You know, she had asked
what, fine. It was the last 20

804
00:50:39,149 --> 00:50:40,619
seconds of the clear what

805
00:50:40,620 --> 00:50:42,780
she said, but you're you were
his friend, you wouldn't really

806
00:50:42,780 --> 00:50:46,230
know, would you? Yeah, I heard
that. That

807
00:50:46,230 --> 00:50:49,380
is what really, that's what
really pissed people off because

808
00:50:49,380 --> 00:50:53,550
it's like, hello, Gail. You just
asked her a question. And then

809
00:50:53,550 --> 00:50:57,270
you're gonna basically asked her
for a while asking that if you

810
00:50:57,270 --> 00:50:59,610
think her response is gonna be
biased. Yeah. And

811
00:50:59,609 --> 00:51:02,579
I don't think I heard that last
part in any original that I saw.

812
00:51:03,659 --> 00:51:04,619
No, you didn't?

813
00:51:07,950 --> 00:51:09,330
Did you? I know you did.

814
00:51:11,159 --> 00:51:14,549
That's what we do here. I played
the EP clip that was

815
00:51:14,549 --> 00:51:18,419
Entertainment Tonight. I mean,
if you just let them hear, she

816
00:51:18,419 --> 00:51:21,299
just asked the question, you
know, about his legacy being,

817
00:51:21,299 --> 00:51:27,899
you know, difficult, or, you
know, none of that. Oh, like

818
00:51:27,899 --> 00:51:31,109
leading the witness kind of
thing. But that's what pissed

819
00:51:31,109 --> 00:51:36,539
everybody off. Yes. And, and she
continues.

820
00:51:37,619 --> 00:51:41,519
I just, it's just, I just don't
I just don't believe that. And

821
00:51:41,519 --> 00:51:44,519
I'm not saying things didn't
happen. I just don't believe

822
00:51:44,999 --> 00:51:48,179
that things didn't happen with
force.

823
00:51:48,210 --> 00:51:51,570
Is it even a fair question to
talk about it, considering he's

824
00:51:51,570 --> 00:51:54,870
no longer with us and that it
was resolved? Or is it really

825
00:51:55,110 --> 00:51:56,400
part of his history?

826
00:51:56,970 --> 00:52:03,660
Well, I think that the media
should be more respectful. At

827
00:52:03,660 --> 00:52:07,800
this time, it's like if you had
questions about it, you've had

828
00:52:07,800 --> 00:52:10,890
many years to ask him that. I
don't think it's something that

829
00:52:10,890 --> 00:52:16,050
we should keep hanging over his
legacy. I mean, he went to it

830
00:52:16,050 --> 00:52:17,130
went to trial, it was a

831
00:52:17,130 --> 00:52:20,100
case it was dismissed, because
the victim in the case refused

832
00:52:20,100 --> 00:52:22,620
to testify. So it was dismissed.

833
00:52:22,769 --> 00:52:25,559
And I think that that's how we
should leave.

834
00:52:27,150 --> 00:52:30,810
Yeah, that's you know what, this
is a sad statement that this is

835
00:52:31,500 --> 00:52:36,060
the Tiffany broadcast network,
CBS ladies and gentlemen, who do

836
00:52:36,060 --> 00:52:40,950
this then no better than TMZ.
And, and did her

837
00:52:40,949 --> 00:52:42,779
job in jail or job kill?

838
00:52:43,530 --> 00:52:45,990
Even though you're so
successful? Don't you think it's

839
00:52:45,990 --> 00:52:49,830
a little troubling that you and
Oprah wear fanny packs and go

840
00:52:49,830 --> 00:52:53,250
into the woods camping together?
I mean, does that really say

841
00:52:53,250 --> 00:52:56,460
anything? I mean, fuck, man, you
can do anything with anybody.

842
00:52:57,449 --> 00:53:01,859
Horrible. And I think she
thought she was gonna get, you

843
00:53:01,859 --> 00:53:05,309
know, Lisa Leslie to kind of
sigh with her or give her

844
00:53:06,119 --> 00:53:06,749
something to

845
00:53:06,869 --> 00:53:09,839
Well, that would be the media
way. Yeah.

846
00:53:10,500 --> 00:53:14,310
But she did. And the thing is,
Gail called Lisa Leslie for this

847
00:53:14,310 --> 00:53:14,970
interview.

848
00:53:15,420 --> 00:53:16,830
So it was Yeah. Oh, yeah.

849
00:53:16,949 --> 00:53:22,079
Let me get a WNBA player let me
throw this ally you up to her

850
00:53:22,109 --> 00:53:26,249
pun intended, and see if she
slammed at home and least

851
00:53:26,249 --> 00:53:29,099
Lastly, slam the door in her
face. It was like no, I'm not.

852
00:53:29,099 --> 00:53:31,349
No, let's leave it where it was
that you had time to ask news

853
00:53:31,349 --> 00:53:36,419
questions when he was alive. You
know, and you didn't. And this

854
00:53:36,419 --> 00:53:42,719
is what started everything. Go.
So let's get into the backlash.

855
00:53:43,349 --> 00:53:43,889
When Kobe

856
00:53:43,889 --> 00:53:47,879
was 24 He was charged with one
count of felony assault after a

857
00:53:47,879 --> 00:53:51,419
then 19 year old woman went to
the police claiming he'd

858
00:53:51,419 --> 00:53:54,629
sexually assaulted her in his
Colorado hotel room back in

859
00:53:54,629 --> 00:53:59,939
2003. The case was dropped in
2004. After the accuser declined

860
00:53:59,939 --> 00:54:04,139
to testify. The same woman also
filed a civil lawsuit, which was

861
00:54:04,139 --> 00:54:07,619
settled out of court in 2005.
Right.

862
00:54:08,429 --> 00:54:11,339
Yeah, so that was just the
background or the catch people

863
00:54:11,339 --> 00:54:18,239
up on the alleged the allegation
or the event in question. To me,

864
00:54:18,299 --> 00:54:21,689
I don't get into people
bedrooms. However, the court

865
00:54:21,719 --> 00:54:25,859
said, if you notice when we talk
about other celebrities or

866
00:54:25,859 --> 00:54:29,399
iconic figures, I don't go for
the low hanging fruit. I don't

867
00:54:29,399 --> 00:54:33,149
go for the sexual innuendo or
whatever like that. Right. And

868
00:54:33,149 --> 00:54:35,789
not me. It's like, so we've
talked about what their motives

869
00:54:35,789 --> 00:54:40,079
were. But the whole purpose of
this whole Gayle King interview

870
00:54:40,079 --> 00:54:42,149
was to get all this churning
back up.

871
00:54:42,570 --> 00:54:46,080
Even Snoop Dogg took to social
media with an explicit message

872
00:54:46,080 --> 00:54:46,770
for Gail.

873
00:54:47,489 --> 00:54:50,789
We expect more from you, Gail.
Don't you hang out with Oprah

874
00:54:51,449 --> 00:54:52,979
while you're attacking us?

875
00:54:53,760 --> 00:54:57,810
We owe people on Thursday Gail
responded to the backlash on

876
00:54:57,810 --> 00:54:58,710
Instagram.

877
00:54:59,039 --> 00:55:03,989
I hit only Seeing the clip that
you saw, I'd be extremely angry

878
00:55:03,989 --> 00:55:08,999
with me too. I am mortified. I'm
embarrassed. And I'm

879
00:55:09,030 --> 00:55:12,540
very angry. And she shared her
side of the story.

880
00:55:12,690 --> 00:55:17,730
Unbeknownst to me, my network
put up a clip from a very wide

881
00:55:17,730 --> 00:55:23,130
ranging interview. Totally taken
out of context. And when you see

882
00:55:23,130 --> 00:55:27,330
it that way, it's very jarring,
jarring to me. So I've been told

883
00:55:27,360 --> 00:55:31,500
or been advised to say nothing.
But that's not good enough for

884
00:55:31,500 --> 00:55:35,190
me. I reached out to Lisa,
because I know that she's a

885
00:55:35,190 --> 00:55:39,180
longtime friend of Cobis. To
talk about his legacy and their

886
00:55:39,180 --> 00:55:45,510
friendship. We had a really wide
ranging interview talked about

887
00:55:45,510 --> 00:55:49,080
many things. And yes, we talked
about that court case, because

888
00:55:49,080 --> 00:55:53,040
that court case has also come
up. And I wanted to get least

889
00:55:53,040 --> 00:55:56,670
his take on it as a friend who
knew him well, what she thought

890
00:55:57,690 --> 00:55:58,860
where that should stand.

891
00:55:59,280 --> 00:56:02,400
Right. Okay. But really, she
said, I want to know what you

892
00:56:02,400 --> 00:56:04,980
think of it as a friend. Okay,
thanks. That's great. But your

893
00:56:04,980 --> 00:56:07,620
friends, so you really can't
know. So she was very, very

894
00:56:07,650 --> 00:56:10,950
mean. very mean. Yeah. So I see
it now. All right. All right.

895
00:56:12,389 --> 00:56:18,239
Now, and another thing, maybe
you didn't catch and clip 14.

896
00:56:19,319 --> 00:56:24,899
The reporter uses the same
verbiage that Gail uses. It's a

897
00:56:24,899 --> 00:56:26,999
wide ranging. Oh, can

898
00:56:27,000 --> 00:56:29,370
I go back and you can go back
and listen to that. Is that

899
00:56:29,369 --> 00:56:31,829
Yes. Probably in the first 1020
seconds. Yeah.

900
00:56:32,039 --> 00:56:35,639
Let me get you up to speed on
Tuesdays. CBS This Morning aired

901
00:56:35,639 --> 00:56:40,019
gales interview with former WNBA
star Lisa Leslie. In the wide

902
00:56:40,019 --> 00:56:42,509
ranging interview. Gail asked
Kobe Bryant.

903
00:56:44,369 --> 00:56:46,379
Good catch. I like that. Good
catch.

904
00:56:46,710 --> 00:56:50,940
So when I heard this, I was
like, Oh, this is damage

905
00:56:50,940 --> 00:56:56,010
control. Because of what Snoop
Dogg said. And we haven't even

906
00:56:56,010 --> 00:57:00,090
got to what Snoop Dogg said we
got a clip of what Snoop Dogg

907
00:57:00,090 --> 00:57:05,850
said because they didn't want to
give his words any more oxygen

908
00:57:06,060 --> 00:57:10,170
for soda fire can burn but as I
said before, we don't do clips

909
00:57:10,170 --> 00:57:14,700
here are sound bites. I went and
got the whole Snoop Dogg

910
00:57:14,730 --> 00:57:17,010
Instagram post.

911
00:57:17,519 --> 00:57:24,359
Game Okay. Out of pocket for
that shit. Way out of pocket.

912
00:57:24,419 --> 00:57:25,799
What do you gain from that?

913
00:57:28,920 --> 00:57:34,080
I swear to God we to worse. We
to fucking worse? We expect more

914
00:57:34,080 --> 00:57:37,650
from you Gail. Don't you hang
out with Oprah? Why you're

915
00:57:37,650 --> 00:57:42,150
attacking us? We owe people you
ain't come after fucking Harvey

916
00:57:42,150 --> 00:57:47,850
Weinstein ask them dumb ask
questions. I get sick a yo I

917
00:57:47,850 --> 00:57:53,580
want to call you what is it?
Okay if I call them one funky

918
00:57:53,580 --> 00:57:57,510
dough hit bitch. How dare you
try to twist my motherfucking

919
00:57:57,510 --> 00:58:01,560
homeboys reputation punk
motherfucker. Respect to family

920
00:58:01,560 --> 00:58:04,230
and back off, bitch before we
can get

921
00:58:08,730 --> 00:58:12,210
all right. All right. You're not
let me see them loaded here. Can

922
00:58:12,210 --> 00:58:15,960
I Can I just want to deconstruct
this for a moment. Please.

923
00:58:15,990 --> 00:58:21,060
Alright. So very valid comment
about Harvey Weinstein. Almost

924
00:58:21,060 --> 00:58:24,630
no coverage, very low coverage
because you know Trump

925
00:58:24,660 --> 00:58:29,730
impeachment. Then we had Kobe.
Yeah, but very little actual.

926
00:58:30,120 --> 00:58:36,720
Harvey Weinstein coverage. And
then funky dog haired ass bitch.

927
00:58:37,289 --> 00:58:39,959
Yeah, is that what he said? Dog
head.

928
00:58:39,990 --> 00:58:46,050
No dog head. Okay. Well, then I
understand it. I didn't get dog

929
00:58:46,050 --> 00:58:51,570
hair but dog head Alright, got
it. Yeah, but you know, respect

930
00:58:51,570 --> 00:58:53,340
for the family. I hear I hear
him.

931
00:58:54,900 --> 00:59:01,290
But one thing he said they took
and They latched on to it and

932
00:59:01,290 --> 00:59:04,560
they spin it when he said We're
coming for you. We will come for

933
00:59:04,560 --> 00:59:06,060
you. Or we'll come get you

934
00:59:06,119 --> 00:59:09,269
Yeah, hold on me that's at the
very end right? At the very end

935
00:59:09,269 --> 00:59:10,409
we just play that part.

936
00:59:10,619 --> 00:59:14,249
How do you try to toys my mother
fucking homeboys reputation pot

937
00:59:14,249 --> 00:59:18,719
What the fuck was faked a family
and back off, bitch before we

938
00:59:18,719 --> 00:59:19,769
come ditch.

939
00:59:20,429 --> 00:59:22,919
Okay, before we the family
clearly

940
00:59:24,449 --> 00:59:28,889
before we come get you. So now
just mark that down. But I want

941
00:59:28,889 --> 00:59:31,199
to go back to the point you
talked about for about Harvey

942
00:59:31,199 --> 00:59:35,519
Weinstein. Now this girl
interview. Not surprised at all.

943
00:59:35,609 --> 00:59:40,679
I was waiting on it. This is
what they do. This is what Gail

944
00:59:40,709 --> 00:59:47,879
and Oprah does. They have a a
they're known for this kind of

945
00:59:47,879 --> 00:59:52,769
behavior. Oh looking. They're
looking at this. This is why I

946
00:59:52,769 --> 00:59:58,259
brought it up because to the
mainstream media watchers. They

947
00:59:58,259 --> 01:00:02,609
won't catch this because As you
heard in the clip, they took a

948
01:00:02,609 --> 01:00:06,719
little snippet of what of the
interview and kind of like the

949
01:00:06,779 --> 01:00:11,009
the low impact information and
then they took a little clip of

950
01:00:11,009 --> 01:00:14,339
Snoop Dogg and tells you how bad
it was but didn't play you the

951
01:00:14,339 --> 01:00:19,109
clip. And that's that's all you
heard. But Gayle King, Oprah

952
01:00:19,109 --> 01:00:24,149
have a history of looking the
other way when it comes to white

953
01:00:24,149 --> 01:00:29,939
men. Powerful white men in
Hollywood. Television, but when

954
01:00:29,939 --> 01:00:34,319
it comes to black men, your you
remember the raw the art Kelly

955
01:00:37,079 --> 01:00:38,549
virome fame famous. Yeah.

956
01:00:39,030 --> 01:00:41,940
And I think she got bit by a
viral bug and thought she was

957
01:00:41,940 --> 01:00:45,150
gonna get the same thing again.
What do you think?

958
01:00:45,150 --> 01:00:49,050
What do you think this is? Is
this a hatred of black men? Is

959
01:00:49,050 --> 01:00:53,910
it a hatred of men? Is today?
We're gonna call out the evil

960
01:00:53,940 --> 01:00:57,270
elements who are doing horrible
things according to us so we can

961
01:00:57,270 --> 01:01:01,980
make us better? Is that what it
is? What the hell are they think

962
01:01:01,980 --> 01:01:04,740
and when who made them? The the
bosses of us.

963
01:01:05,730 --> 01:01:06,750
It's the gender war.

964
01:01:07,110 --> 01:01:11,640
So it is purely that but you but
okay. Yeah, no. I mean, yeah,

965
01:01:11,640 --> 01:01:12,330
you're right. gender

966
01:01:12,330 --> 01:01:19,860
war. As I said before, 2020 is
important. All of this is

967
01:01:19,860 --> 01:01:24,510
underlying, we have to separate
ourselves into our own

968
01:01:24,510 --> 01:01:30,810
demographic. separate ourselves
from black men. Yeah. If you

969
01:01:30,810 --> 01:01:34,530
don't, if you don't carry the
water, you know, if you don't

970
01:01:34,980 --> 01:01:39,060
push the feminist agenda, if you
don't push the intersectionality

971
01:01:39,060 --> 01:01:42,870
agenda, whatever agenda it is,
if you don't push it, then we

972
01:01:42,870 --> 01:01:47,310
need to marginalize you. Right
so they they saw excellent

973
01:01:47,310 --> 01:01:50,700
example of attacking Kobe
Bryant. They get another feather

974
01:01:50,700 --> 01:01:53,670
in the cap. That's one list
conversation we got our work

975
01:01:53,670 --> 01:01:56,610
covenants me to thing we're on
top of it without talking about

976
01:01:56,820 --> 01:02:02,220
the real power structure. We
don't want to talk about the

977
01:02:02,220 --> 01:02:07,500
real the Les Moonves is of the
world. The hardest Weinstein's

978
01:02:07,499 --> 01:02:10,289
of the world through power
there. Yes. Exactly.

979
01:02:11,099 --> 01:02:17,699
The right power. My definition
of lack show what white really

980
01:02:17,699 --> 01:02:18,269
is,

981
01:02:18,900 --> 01:02:20,940
is nepotism.

982
01:02:21,960 --> 01:02:28,830
Exactly. So they they thought
David Great. Gail and Oprah are

983
01:02:28,830 --> 01:02:33,480
passing and they're earning in
their earning their keep.

984
01:02:33,840 --> 01:02:35,760
Oh, of course if Good job girls.

985
01:02:36,659 --> 01:02:43,979
Don't don't we see the same
thing with with Hoover. That's

986
01:02:44,519 --> 01:02:48,569
we the hardest. Yeah. So a
weekend pass.

987
01:02:49,619 --> 01:02:52,139
Really? Yeah. never considered
that.

988
01:02:54,599 --> 01:02:58,799
Yes, this is this is what we're
talking about here. So yeah, um,

989
01:02:59,519 --> 01:03:02,369
and I know you'd probably not
you but people are saying well,

990
01:03:02,549 --> 01:03:09,479
while you're stretching there.
Let's hear how Gayle King spoke

991
01:03:09,479 --> 01:03:10,559
on Charlie Rose.

992
01:03:11,309 --> 01:03:14,699
Gayle King opened up about the
me to movement and a profile

993
01:03:14,699 --> 01:03:17,699
with the New York Times which
published online on Wednesday,

994
01:03:17,789 --> 01:03:20,699
the CBS Morning anchor
extensively discussed how the

995
01:03:20,699 --> 01:03:23,699
movement evolved from a topic
she covered on the news to

996
01:03:23,699 --> 01:03:26,999
something she's had to face head
on as a number of her colleagues

997
01:03:26,999 --> 01:03:29,969
at CVS have been accused of
sexual misconduct and

998
01:03:29,969 --> 01:03:33,809
harassment. Kings coworker
Charlie Rose, who co hosted CBS

999
01:03:33,809 --> 01:03:38,009
This Morning, alongside CBS CEO
Les Moonves and 60 minutes

1000
01:03:38,009 --> 01:03:40,589
Executive Producer Jeff Fager
have all been accused of

1001
01:03:40,589 --> 01:03:44,369
misconduct over the past year.
King told the times that you can

1002
01:03:44,369 --> 01:03:47,639
hold two ideas in your head at
the same time, meaning that she

1003
01:03:47,639 --> 01:03:50,909
believed the accusers while also
believing that the accused men

1004
01:03:50,909 --> 01:03:53,669
shouldn't be banished for light.
She also discussed the

1005
01:03:53,669 --> 01:03:56,969
possibility of redemption for
the man accused saying there

1006
01:03:56,969 --> 01:03:59,999
must be room for some redemption
somewhere. I don't know what the

1007
01:03:59,999 --> 01:04:03,209
answer is to that, and it might
be too soon. Maybe people don't

1008
01:04:03,209 --> 01:04:06,149
want to hear that King added
that it is difficult to talk

1009
01:04:06,149 --> 01:04:08,909
about the me to movement and
brought up Matt Damon's comments

1010
01:04:08,909 --> 01:04:12,029
as an example. They took his
head off and I actually agree

1011
01:04:12,029 --> 01:04:14,669
with what he was saying. That
doesn't mean I'm just counting

1012
01:04:14,669 --> 01:04:17,729
what the women are saying. I'm
just saying that we can't paint

1013
01:04:17,729 --> 01:04:21,299
everybody with the same brush
King said she isn't sure what

1014
01:04:21,299 --> 01:04:24,419
roses next career steps will be
and while she doesn't anticipate

1015
01:04:24,419 --> 01:04:27,659
on working with rose again, she
revealed that they do still keep

1016
01:04:27,659 --> 01:04:30,779
in touch. I know there are two
sides to every story. That's

1017
01:04:30,779 --> 01:04:33,689
what I know. She said before
sharing that she recently called

1018
01:04:33,689 --> 01:04:37,019
rose to check in on him after he
had a health scare to times

1019
01:04:37,019 --> 01:04:39,539
reach out to where it was for a
comment to which he responded to

1020
01:04:39,539 --> 01:04:43,619
via email taloja The Sunday
Times is profiling Dale there is

1021
01:04:43,649 --> 01:04:46,799
a God in heaven. Rose did
eventually speak with the times

1022
01:04:46,799 --> 01:04:49,859
and had nothing but praise for
his former co host for more on

1023
01:04:49,859 --> 01:04:52,559
the story had to thr.com and
until next time for The

1024
01:04:52,559 --> 01:04:54,209
Hollywood Reporter news everyone
enjoy

1025
01:04:55,500 --> 01:04:59,400
as great that's great. You know
I'm able to hold two things in

1026
01:04:59,400 --> 01:05:04,650
my head One time. Yes. I'm very
special that way. Now I actually

1027
01:05:04,650 --> 01:05:09,000
have a minute clip of her on CBS
on the morning show talking

1028
01:05:09,000 --> 01:05:11,400
about if you're interested.
Sure, sure.

1029
01:05:11,429 --> 01:05:12,989
Let's let's hear the Washington

1030
01:05:12,989 --> 01:05:16,679
Post is signaling there may be
more revelations about what CBS

1031
01:05:16,679 --> 01:05:20,849
News knew about claims of
inappropriate conduct. Charlie

1032
01:05:20,849 --> 01:05:24,329
Rose. In a story published
yesterday, the post detailed

1033
01:05:24,329 --> 01:05:28,199
three occasions during which it
says CPS managers were warned of

1034
01:05:28,199 --> 01:05:29,819
Rose's conduct. All right,

1035
01:05:29,819 --> 01:05:32,429
Anna, thank you. Listen, the
more you hear about the story,

1036
01:05:32,429 --> 01:05:35,099
the more awkward and more
uncomfortable it is. But the

1037
01:05:35,099 --> 01:05:37,859
good news is, you can say good
news is that the company is

1038
01:05:37,859 --> 01:05:41,189
investigating hired somebody
from the outside. And I really

1039
01:05:41,189 --> 01:05:43,109
do feel that the chips fall
where they made this

1040
01:05:43,109 --> 01:05:45,989
investigation is continuing. And
we take it very, very seriously,

1041
01:05:46,019 --> 01:05:48,539
as a son of somebody worked in
the news business in the 50s.

1042
01:05:48,539 --> 01:05:51,149
And 60s, I think about the women
who had to come forward what

1043
01:05:51,149 --> 01:05:53,729
they had to the anguish they had
to live through the courage it

1044
01:05:53,729 --> 01:05:56,729
took to come forward. And the
frustration of having to be

1045
01:05:56,729 --> 01:05:59,999
silent and feel like you can't
have a voice. So it's good that

1046
01:06:00,029 --> 01:06:02,789
they can get some kind of way
through this investigation. I

1047
01:06:02,789 --> 01:06:05,339
also kind of I also think about
the other damage in this, which

1048
01:06:05,339 --> 01:06:07,799
is all the people who work here,
those long nights, who fling

1049
01:06:07,799 --> 01:06:10,859
themselves across the country,
cover stories, who were a part

1050
01:06:10,859 --> 01:06:13,649
of this now and dealing with it
as well,

1051
01:06:13,649 --> 01:06:16,019
which is why it's important or
investigating the past, but even

1052
01:06:16,019 --> 01:06:17,399
more important that we're moving
forward.

1053
01:06:17,789 --> 01:06:19,679
And that there are a lot of
professionals in the building

1054
01:06:19,709 --> 01:06:22,589
doing a very good job. I don't
want people to forget, you know,

1055
01:06:22,589 --> 01:06:24,719
there are a lot of people doing
a lot of good work here, as you

1056
01:06:24,719 --> 01:06:25,379
pointed out.

1057
01:06:28,199 --> 01:06:32,429
Boy, awkward, very awkward and
just awkward. Really

1058
01:06:32,430 --> 01:06:36,030
bad man is bad. Not not that
predators or

1059
01:06:36,060 --> 01:06:39,000
No, no, no, I'm sorry. You know,
at least the company is

1060
01:06:39,000 --> 01:06:41,610
investigating. That's very good.
Good news. Good news.

1061
01:06:42,420 --> 01:06:45,570
And if you go back to her clip,
she said, Well, he's a friend

1062
01:06:45,570 --> 01:06:48,960
you know, and I can see things
two ways you know, I can I

1063
01:06:48,960 --> 01:06:55,770
believe the women walk at least
allegedly do the same thing. You

1064
01:06:55,770 --> 01:06:58,650
hear the hypocrisy. Now we're
starting to see well, we're,

1065
01:06:58,830 --> 01:07:04,470
we're covering it. There's a
difference in how we color. tone

1066
01:07:04,470 --> 01:07:08,130
but how we cover people by
their, quote unquote, color,

1067
01:07:08,520 --> 01:07:09,360
like Charlie Rose.

1068
01:07:10,290 --> 01:07:15,000
He could be this could be that
could be Oh, man, maybe? Yeah.

1069
01:07:15,720 --> 01:07:18,450
Well, maybe she just sweet on
Charlie. So let's listen to

1070
01:07:18,900 --> 01:07:21,090
Gayle King on movies.

1071
01:07:21,599 --> 01:07:24,929
I am so sorry. Again, it's so
close to home for us. You know,

1072
01:07:24,989 --> 01:07:28,259
I'm sick and sick of the story
and sickened by everything that

1073
01:07:28,259 --> 01:07:31,679
we keep hearing. But the part
you mentioned about transparency

1074
01:07:31,679 --> 01:07:34,529
is very disturbing to me.
Because I would think, How can

1075
01:07:34,529 --> 01:07:37,589
we have this investigation and
not know how it comes out? Les

1076
01:07:37,589 --> 01:07:39,989
Moonves has been on the record.
He says, Listen, he didn't do

1077
01:07:39,989 --> 01:07:42,569
these things, that it was
consensual, that he hasn't hurt

1078
01:07:42,569 --> 01:07:45,359
anybody's career. And I would
think it would be in his best

1079
01:07:45,359 --> 01:07:48,389
interest for us to hear what the
report finds out. On the other

1080
01:07:48,389 --> 01:07:50,669
hand, you have women who are
coming forward very credibly

1081
01:07:50,669 --> 01:07:54,179
talking about something that's
so painful and so humiliating.

1082
01:07:54,359 --> 01:07:57,329
It's been my experience that
women don't come out and speak

1083
01:07:57,329 --> 01:08:00,719
this way for no reason. They
just don't, they just don't do

1084
01:08:00,719 --> 01:08:05,219
it. And so I don't know how we
move forward. If we don't we at

1085
01:08:05,219 --> 01:08:09,629
CBS don't have full transparency
about what we find. John, I

1086
01:08:09,659 --> 01:08:11,759
wasn't here yesterday, because I
was in a wedding in Europe, as

1087
01:08:11,759 --> 01:08:14,189
you guys know, but I thought it
was interesting when you said a

1088
01:08:14,189 --> 01:08:16,979
friend of yours said for 30
years this has haunted her

1089
01:08:17,189 --> 01:08:19,289
because we of course were
talking about it all weekend and

1090
01:08:19,289 --> 01:08:21,719
someone said what How Does
anybody remember what happened

1091
01:08:21,719 --> 01:08:24,569
30 years ago when it is that
traumatic? And that's

1092
01:08:24,569 --> 01:08:27,929
humiliating you remember every
single detail like

1093
01:08:32,400 --> 01:08:35,040
brother yell so disingenuous.
There's

1094
01:08:35,039 --> 01:08:39,749
so many details there. Let's get
some nice women on the couch. A

1095
01:08:39,749 --> 01:08:44,159
whole week special and talk to
them about Moonves and Charlie

1096
01:08:44,159 --> 01:08:48,029
Rose and the other guy and we
got plenty of guys, but

1097
01:08:48,449 --> 01:08:51,179
there's a friend you know, like
you can't really tell now can

1098
01:08:51,179 --> 01:08:54,539
you give you don't really know
do you, man? Oh.

1099
01:08:56,670 --> 01:09:02,160
So now we're seeing people that
sensitive sensitive to this,

1100
01:09:02,370 --> 01:09:05,310
have been picking up on this.
And we're waiting for the expos.

1101
01:09:05,310 --> 01:09:10,530
As for these guys like, Oh, she
wants to admit clip that I'm

1102
01:09:10,530 --> 01:09:14,580
sick of this story. Yeah, not.
It is a great day for women. You

1103
01:09:14,580 --> 01:09:18,360
know that, you know, the victims
finally get to tell the truth.

1104
01:09:18,510 --> 01:09:24,450
She said no. I'm sick of their
story. You know? What? Oh, now

1105
01:09:24,450 --> 01:09:28,080
you're sick of it. But when it's
somebody like you know, let me

1106
01:09:28,080 --> 01:09:31,470
make some clear. I am not taking
no for our Kelly. I'm not taking

1107
01:09:31,770 --> 01:09:35,220
any of them. What I want is
fairness. If you're going to

1108
01:09:35,220 --> 01:09:40,350
cover one group of people that
weren't way b just cover this

1109
01:09:40,380 --> 01:09:41,940
other group of people saying
wow,

1110
01:09:41,970 --> 01:09:44,790
we don't really want that.
Otherwise we'd have no show. We

1111
01:09:44,790 --> 01:09:47,610
want people just to be
themselves and that'll help us.

1112
01:09:49,020 --> 01:09:53,370
Right. Gail is not let's not.
Let's not beat up on Gail too

1113
01:09:53,370 --> 01:09:54,360
much. Oh, let's

1114
01:09:54,360 --> 01:09:55,710
go to Oprah.

1115
01:09:56,310 --> 01:09:57,180
Yes, please.

1116
01:09:57,330 --> 01:09:58,980
Let's talk about what's
happening with Harvey Weinstein.

1117
01:09:58,980 --> 01:10:01,530
I know you posted on Facebook
already but you haven't kind of

1118
01:10:01,530 --> 01:10:04,980
spoken yet publicly about what's
going on. I think

1119
01:10:04,980 --> 01:10:08,430
that this is, yeah, I'm always
trying to look for the rainbow

1120
01:10:08,430 --> 01:10:12,150
in the clouds, whatever is the
silver lining. And this is what

1121
01:10:12,150 --> 01:10:15,960
I do know for sure. When
something this major happens

1122
01:10:16,110 --> 01:10:20,220
when you have the fallout 50
women coming forward, that it's

1123
01:10:20,220 --> 01:10:24,810
a watershed moment. And what I
do believe is actually happening

1124
01:10:25,080 --> 01:10:29,880
is that, first of all, it's
triggering a lot of unreleased

1125
01:10:29,880 --> 01:10:34,350
pain, repressed anger, guilt and
suffering that a lot of women

1126
01:10:34,350 --> 01:10:37,380
have had I happened to be on set
with several actresses the other

1127
01:10:37,380 --> 01:10:41,640
day, and we were filming some
things and they were like, they

1128
01:10:41,670 --> 01:10:44,760
hadn't slept over a period of
two or three days. And I was

1129
01:10:44,760 --> 01:10:47,700
like, what is that? I said, Oh,
you guys are suffering from

1130
01:10:47,700 --> 01:10:49,500
PTSD. And we never worry

1131
01:10:49,739 --> 01:10:51,899
about it out loud to everybody
has

1132
01:10:51,900 --> 01:10:55,260
a story. Everybody has a story.
And so I think this is a

1133
01:10:55,260 --> 01:10:58,590
watershed moment. And if we make
this just about Harvey

1134
01:10:58,590 --> 01:11:02,190
Weinstein, then we will have
lost this moment.

1135
01:11:05,040 --> 01:11:10,320
Oh, wow. That's pretty great.

1136
01:11:11,670 --> 01:11:14,970
She's looking for the rainbow
and the silver linings. Yeah.

1137
01:11:15,180 --> 01:11:16,830
It's just about Harvey Weinstein

1138
01:11:17,760 --> 01:11:20,580
and unicorns. Wow.

1139
01:11:22,080 --> 01:11:27,750
And I want to say this, Snoop
Dogg's attack was really attack

1140
01:11:27,750 --> 01:11:33,510
on Oprah. Gail just I happen to
walk into the, into the

1141
01:11:33,510 --> 01:11:37,590
crossfire. Because he said, he
said, all your friends were

1142
01:11:37,590 --> 01:11:41,220
open. Right? And that's when we
he really you're saying start

1143
01:11:41,220 --> 01:11:45,150
landing on thick because people
have spotted this about Oprah.

1144
01:11:45,630 --> 01:11:48,210
You had Michael Jackson, you had
Bill Cosby, you

1145
01:11:48,210 --> 01:11:51,300
know, and I gotta tell you, as
someone who has worked with

1146
01:11:51,300 --> 01:11:56,730
Michael Jackson, I've determined
that he was if anything asexual

1147
01:11:56,730 --> 01:12:00,870
and I, I witnessed that whole
trial, I was alive. I was

1148
01:12:00,870 --> 01:12:04,200
working. I was in the business I
saw it was going on. I was

1149
01:12:04,200 --> 01:12:07,980
always rooting for him. I knew
he was going to say I said he

1150
01:12:07,980 --> 01:12:12,090
got killed and people hung up on
me. And turns out of course he

1151
01:12:12,090 --> 01:12:19,680
really was. And when oak because
I remember one of the most

1152
01:12:19,680 --> 01:12:24,900
impressive moments of Michael
Jackson, to me, was when he was

1153
01:12:24,900 --> 01:12:27,900
with Oprah and that she's at
Neverland, and they're in his

1154
01:12:28,410 --> 01:12:33,120
theater. And he just and he just
starts riffing. And I still get

1155
01:12:33,120 --> 01:12:35,760
goosebumps when I think about
it. Like, oh my god, it's so

1156
01:12:35,760 --> 01:12:39,180
talented. And Oprah was it all
Michael ha. When we grew up

1157
01:12:39,180 --> 01:12:43,470
together, it's almost like,
Forget Diane, I take me Michael.

1158
01:12:43,890 --> 01:12:48,060
And then the way in that shitty
ass documentary that came out,

1159
01:12:48,060 --> 01:12:51,270
which really bothered me, I
mean, I I didn't even watch the

1160
01:12:51,270 --> 01:12:53,790
whole thing. I know it was gone.
I know who these people were. I

1161
01:12:53,790 --> 01:12:58,440
was I saw that happen. I was
there. I was in the business. So

1162
01:12:58,560 --> 01:13:02,640
and then how Oprah propagated
that was to me very

1163
01:13:02,640 --> 01:13:05,070
disappointing. That's That's
when she lost all my respect.

1164
01:13:05,070 --> 01:13:07,620
That's all. I never pay
attention to her. So I didn't

1165
01:13:07,620 --> 01:13:10,590
know that there was this
continuous thing going on, that

1166
01:13:10,590 --> 01:13:12,270
she likes to discredit black
men.

1167
01:13:13,110 --> 01:13:17,130
And the latest one was Russell
Simmons. Gotcha. That was that

1168
01:13:17,130 --> 01:13:19,860
was yeah, that was the latest
that was the latest one that her

1169
01:13:19,890 --> 01:13:22,830
her target. And people kind of
pushed back on her. So she kind

1170
01:13:22,830 --> 01:13:23,550
of saw,

1171
01:13:23,910 --> 01:13:28,080
I saw differently. I saw it as
she it was enough for her to

1172
01:13:28,080 --> 01:13:31,050
just get that going. And the I
don't think she even really

1173
01:13:31,050 --> 01:13:34,830
intended to be a part of the
documentary. I don't think so. I

1174
01:13:34,830 --> 01:13:35,040
thought

1175
01:13:35,070 --> 01:13:38,730
Well, isn't that what Oprah is
known for? Yes. Do it put her

1176
01:13:38,730 --> 01:13:42,630
name on something? Yep. And then
it just takes a life of its own.

1177
01:13:43,290 --> 01:13:47,790
Now, is her picture still on the
wall next to Martin Luther King

1178
01:13:47,790 --> 01:13:50,610
and JFK? Or is it sliding down?

1179
01:13:53,069 --> 01:13:58,949
Well, that was only in some
households so they give him some

1180
01:13:58,949 --> 01:14:03,479
there's coming down and others
is stripping her but I know I

1181
01:14:03,479 --> 01:14:07,049
know for sure and one household
has been off the wall and that's

1182
01:14:07,049 --> 01:14:11,129
for Miss Monique. Are you
familiar with Monique right?

1183
01:14:12,810 --> 01:14:14,400
Know what how do I know Monique

1184
01:14:14,520 --> 01:14:18,480
from the from the movie movie
pressures? Oh, oh, yeah, of

1185
01:14:18,480 --> 01:14:19,080
course. Yeah.

1186
01:14:19,080 --> 01:14:20,340
Monique is Yeah, yeah,

1187
01:14:20,520 --> 01:14:26,070
well, Mo Nica Oprah has had a
running feud ever since precious

1188
01:14:27,630 --> 01:14:30,750
stuff I didn't know I'm glad
you're on the showbiz tip. Mo

1189
01:14:30,810 --> 01:14:32,340
This is very this is very handy.

1190
01:14:33,420 --> 01:14:38,520
So what happened was that
Monique claims that Oprah

1191
01:14:38,520 --> 01:14:45,420
blackballed her, her and Oprah
and Lee Daniels blackballed her

1192
01:14:45,420 --> 01:14:48,450
because she went and do press
rooms for for the movie

1193
01:14:48,450 --> 01:14:52,620
precious. So of course Monique
had something to say when this

1194
01:14:52,620 --> 01:14:55,290
whole beef kicked up.

1195
01:14:55,410 --> 01:14:58,770
Welcome back to TMZ live via it
is one of the things we we say

1196
01:14:58,770 --> 01:15:00,990
frequently hear that either
There are certain people in

1197
01:15:00,990 --> 01:15:04,320
Hollywood you don't hear people,
other people in Hollywood go

1198
01:15:04,320 --> 01:15:09,780
after. But Monique has never
been one to hold her tongue and

1199
01:15:09,780 --> 01:15:12,780
felt very strongly about
something she had observed

1200
01:15:12,780 --> 01:15:16,980
happening with Oprah Winfrey.
And so she did not hold back

1201
01:15:17,220 --> 01:15:22,290
basically wrote an open letter
criticizing Oprah for, for

1202
01:15:22,290 --> 01:15:26,220
attacking by attacking I mean
working on documentaries

1203
01:15:26,220 --> 01:15:30,990
producing documentaries that
went after powerful black men,

1204
01:15:31,020 --> 01:15:35,400
Russell Simmons, Michael
Jackson, while not saying

1205
01:15:35,400 --> 01:15:39,540
anything, at least publicly
about Harvey Weinstein or being

1206
01:15:39,540 --> 01:15:44,460
critical of Harvey Weinstein, so
Monique spilled this out and an

1207
01:15:44,460 --> 01:15:49,050
open letter that was extremely
critical of Oprah hmm.

1208
01:15:51,960 --> 01:15:59,100
Okay, Monique, she she doesn't
bite her tongue. No. And as just

1209
01:15:59,100 --> 01:16:01,650
imagine some might say we are
you know, a certain people in

1210
01:16:01,650 --> 01:16:06,480
Hollywood. You just don't
criticize. That this is what's

1211
01:16:06,480 --> 01:16:07,500
happening. And what's your wit?

1212
01:16:07,500 --> 01:16:10,110
I want you to wit? I want people
to realize what they're

1213
01:16:10,110 --> 01:16:15,360
witnessing here. The old guard?
Yes. The old bootleg guard.

1214
01:16:15,360 --> 01:16:19,470
Yeah, yep. Yep. Is has lost
their power slipping. Yep.

1215
01:16:19,470 --> 01:16:22,770
Because the media. And this is
the same for politicians. And I

1216
01:16:22,770 --> 01:16:26,280
think I've said it here before.
These people still think you do

1217
01:16:26,280 --> 01:16:29,640
the 80 interview you do the, you
know to do the thing was the

1218
01:16:29,640 --> 01:16:34,320
right people. Have Charlie Rose
interview us around the table

1219
01:16:34,320 --> 01:16:38,430
really deep and intriguing and
probing. And that's how you get

1220
01:16:38,430 --> 01:16:41,700
your message out. Except that's
not how it works. That's why

1221
01:16:41,730 --> 01:16:45,900
Gail said Yeah, I don't really
usually do this Instagram

1222
01:16:45,900 --> 01:16:49,710
because she she doesn't get it.
And what Snoop does he gets it.

1223
01:16:49,740 --> 01:16:52,830
He's a part of that. Although
he's moving towards the older,

1224
01:16:52,950 --> 01:16:57,210
older guard to but not like
Oprah. And yeah, the power is

1225
01:16:57,210 --> 01:17:00,720
gone. It's all old politicians
still think that? Oh, you know,

1226
01:17:01,080 --> 01:17:04,290
I just go on the Sunday morning
talk shows and and that'll be

1227
01:17:04,290 --> 01:17:05,790
fine. No, no, no, no.

1228
01:17:06,810 --> 01:17:13,320
No. Yes. Yes. Talent. This is a
talent at 10th AKA, aka Boulais.

1229
01:17:14,430 --> 01:17:19,110
They're slowly being called out
for their actions. And let's

1230
01:17:19,110 --> 01:17:20,850
just hear Monique, do it.

1231
01:17:21,210 --> 01:17:24,810
Going after Oprah. Good idea or
not. Monique, welcome back to

1232
01:17:24,810 --> 01:17:28,380
TMZ live. How are you doing?
Wonderful. I see you have

1233
01:17:28,380 --> 01:17:31,620
Sydney's there with you too.
Sorry. I don't Sydney. Don't

1234
01:17:31,620 --> 01:17:38,640
wonder. All right, we're good.
So. So what was the impetus for

1235
01:17:38,640 --> 01:17:42,150
writing this? Because Oprah had
backed out of the Russell

1236
01:17:42,150 --> 01:17:45,750
Simmons documentary, guys, I
feel like it was a month ago.

1237
01:17:46,470 --> 01:17:50,190
But this weekend, you decided
you you just had to get this

1238
01:17:50,190 --> 01:17:50,460
out?

1239
01:17:50,489 --> 01:17:55,949
Well, because I had just seen
the interview that she did. When

1240
01:17:55,949 --> 01:17:59,069
she was asked the question, in
reference to Russell and I had

1241
01:17:59,069 --> 01:18:03,749
seen the interview that he did
when it came to Harvey. So it

1242
01:18:03,749 --> 01:18:08,099
was fresh, because I had just
seen it. And when you use words

1243
01:18:08,099 --> 01:18:10,229
like what was the word critic

1244
01:18:10,230 --> 01:18:13,080
criticizing, criticizing,
criticizing?

1245
01:18:14,010 --> 01:18:18,330
Well, if you read it, I don't
know if it's been critical. More

1246
01:18:18,330 --> 01:18:20,040
so than asking Oprah question,

1247
01:18:20,070 --> 01:18:21,870
what's the central question?

1248
01:18:22,020 --> 01:18:26,760
Why is there such a difference?
Why is there different words

1249
01:18:26,760 --> 01:18:30,900
used and a different fight head?
When it seems like the color of

1250
01:18:30,900 --> 01:18:35,910
the skin makes you look for the
clouds in the light the silver

1251
01:18:35,910 --> 01:18:39,660
lining? And when it comes to a
black man, I believe these

1252
01:18:39,660 --> 01:18:42,600
women, well, how come? Why is it
different?

1253
01:18:45,900 --> 01:18:49,410
Let's say mate, well, no. Why is
it different? This is a good

1254
01:18:49,410 --> 01:18:53,130
question. It's a very depends if
that man can do something for

1255
01:18:53,130 --> 01:18:54,300
her. I guess.

1256
01:18:55,740 --> 01:19:01,980
That and then another question I
want to lay on top of Monique's

1257
01:19:01,980 --> 01:19:06,690
question is, why is the liberal
media not jumping? You care so

1258
01:19:06,690 --> 01:19:11,880
much about people of color
colored people? Why are you not

1259
01:19:11,880 --> 01:19:18,570
calling Oprah out as protectors
of this power structure? But

1260
01:19:18,570 --> 01:19:22,050
they won't do it. But I'll give
you an example of how they'll do

1261
01:19:22,890 --> 01:19:26,370
a blackmail that they like to
call out. This is from the Young

1262
01:19:26,370 --> 01:19:30,240
Turks sports. And one of your
favorites are Mr. Jason

1263
01:19:30,240 --> 01:19:31,500
Whitlock. Ooh,

1264
01:19:31,500 --> 01:19:37,140
okay. Kobe Bryant, the most
fraudulent superstar celebrity

1265
01:19:37,140 --> 01:19:40,710
athlete we have ever seen
because of his unique

1266
01:19:40,740 --> 01:19:44,670
upbringing. He chose to be a
knockoff rather than an

1267
01:19:44,670 --> 01:19:48,300
original. I've been criticizing
Kobe for a long time Chanel

1268
01:19:48,330 --> 01:19:51,630
knockoff bag or whatever. That's
when Kobe is to Georgia. Why

1269
01:19:51,630 --> 01:19:55,500
does he have to have two
jerseys? I thought it was on

1270
01:19:55,500 --> 01:19:58,740
brand for Kobe. He's a bit of a
narcissist. I would love for a

1271
01:19:58,740 --> 01:20:03,300
documentary to be done. On Kobe,
slimmer the kind of way OJ

1272
01:20:03,300 --> 01:20:07,320
Simpson was examined and what he
said about race, he spent 20

1273
01:20:07,320 --> 01:20:11,400
years in the NBA, and never
figured it out. It's a team game

1274
01:20:11,400 --> 01:20:15,330
and it's about the pleasure of
everyone. I compare Kobe's death

1275
01:20:15,330 --> 01:20:18,780
and stick with me here to Pat
Tillman's death.

1276
01:20:18,779 --> 01:20:21,689
Let's nip this in the bud. Jason
Whitlock is a sellout he says

1277
01:20:21,689 --> 01:20:25,559
trustworthy as a $3 bill as much
credibility as Jared Kushner on

1278
01:20:25,559 --> 01:20:29,219
foreign affairs as authentic as
his newly formed hairline. He's

1279
01:20:29,219 --> 01:20:30,209
a well paid actor.

1280
01:20:30,239 --> 01:20:33,329
I think he's going to go down in
history as the smartest

1281
01:20:33,329 --> 01:20:35,579
basketball player we've ever
seen. So when he

1282
01:20:35,580 --> 01:20:39,180
says this attempting to mop up
his entire career being built by

1283
01:20:39,180 --> 01:20:42,720
shitting on the black athletes,
they focused on his history, not

1284
01:20:42,720 --> 01:20:43,680
his fake sympathy.

1285
01:20:45,420 --> 01:20:49,680
Well, that's, I mean, the way
this report was put together, I

1286
01:20:49,680 --> 01:20:53,760
feel I don't feel so good about
Jason Whitlock right now.

1287
01:20:54,510 --> 01:20:58,620
Well, Jason Whitlock, I will say
this, most of his critiques are

1288
01:20:58,620 --> 01:21:03,510
were about basketball. Toby's
basketball. Yeah. And it was

1289
01:21:04,860 --> 01:21:10,440
commonly accepted that Kobe was
toxic on the basketball floor

1290
01:21:10,470 --> 01:21:12,360
didn't pass. No, that's that's
the big thing.

1291
01:21:13,860 --> 01:21:16,740
Nobody wanted to play with him.
That was the narrative, you

1292
01:21:16,740 --> 01:21:20,790
know, no, la out had all this
money and they couldn't keep

1293
01:21:20,790 --> 01:21:23,970
players to come play with him.
Because he was such an intense

1294
01:21:23,970 --> 01:21:26,940
person. You know, it was like,
we're gonna do it. We're gonna

1295
01:21:26,940 --> 01:21:29,970
do it my way that I mean, that's
what the mamba mentality was, it

1296
01:21:29,970 --> 01:21:33,450
was just, we're going to work
110% And if you can't get on

1297
01:21:33,450 --> 01:21:36,240
board, that he will basically
run you out of town and break

1298
01:21:36,240 --> 01:21:43,260
you. So Jason Whitlock critiques
heard here. And if Clint were

1299
01:21:43,260 --> 01:21:48,540
fair, the one I didn't really
care for was he got into Cobis

1300
01:21:48,540 --> 01:21:52,170
personal relationship with his
wife. Right. Right. That that

1301
01:21:52,170 --> 01:21:54,750
kind of took some of the luster
off of Jason Whitlock as well

1302
01:21:54,750 --> 01:21:58,020
for me, because that's outside
the bounds. I mean, you don't

1303
01:21:58,050 --> 01:22:04,200
get into people's but I will say
this. Every sports major sports

1304
01:22:04,260 --> 01:22:12,510
icon. They form this love hate
relationship with a major

1305
01:22:12,510 --> 01:22:18,690
athlete. This is how they come
up. Skip Bayless he has it with

1306
01:22:18,690 --> 01:22:23,550
LeBron. Stephen A Smith. I've
had it with Kevin Durant. I'm

1307
01:22:23,880 --> 01:22:26,550
like yeah, you got it. Got it.
That's how you use it. You write

1308
01:22:26,580 --> 01:22:30,420
read? Write a bad about the guy.
You hate the guy.

1309
01:22:30,450 --> 01:22:33,210
You said it. That's how you come
up. Yeah, it's no different than

1310
01:22:33,210 --> 01:22:33,720
music.

1311
01:22:34,800 --> 01:22:39,690
Yeah, but my question is this
guy says, Jason Whitlock. The

1312
01:22:39,690 --> 01:22:43,530
brain not in the black athlete.
So Young Turks. Where's your

1313
01:22:43,530 --> 01:22:46,950
article on Oprah? Where's
where's your where's your clips

1314
01:22:46,950 --> 01:22:52,050
are Oprah she's talking about
bringing them down. Yeah. Like

1315
01:22:52,080 --> 01:22:56,670
in life, not just sports. And
then this guy, we use a weird

1316
01:22:56,670 --> 01:23:03,630
term like he's a sellout. It's
like I told you these liberal

1317
01:23:03,630 --> 01:23:08,760
white people somehow get a pass
to use these terms. I brought up

1318
01:23:08,760 --> 01:23:14,340
before a coon yay. Yeah. You
heard him say sell out. They use

1319
01:23:14,340 --> 01:23:15,390
other terms.

1320
01:23:15,480 --> 01:23:19,710
Where do you sell out considered
to be the ratio?

1321
01:23:20,880 --> 01:23:24,330
No racial will you use in terms
of saying he's bringing down

1322
01:23:24,330 --> 01:23:27,300
black athletes and him being a
black guy? That's I mean,

1323
01:23:27,300 --> 01:23:31,440
because you could be a sellout
in the music industry, because

1324
01:23:31,440 --> 01:23:36,510
you came in as an indie star and
you sold out and became a pop

1325
01:23:36,510 --> 01:23:43,590
star. I mean, so the word the
term sell out in itself is not a

1326
01:23:43,590 --> 01:23:47,280
loaded term is how you use it.
So he was basically saying he

1327
01:23:47,280 --> 01:23:50,190
the sell out because he's black
and he wants to take down black

1328
01:23:50,220 --> 01:23:55,770
athlete so where's your clips on
call it Oprah sell sell out, but

1329
01:23:55,770 --> 01:23:58,770
nobody would do it? Well, no, I
just wanted to show

1330
01:23:58,770 --> 01:24:04,650
powerful sports figures. sports
figures are also more fair game

1331
01:24:04,860 --> 01:24:09,420
for commentary. That's the whole
the whole television game is

1332
01:24:09,420 --> 01:24:13,200
commentary about about the
players and about how they

1333
01:24:13,200 --> 01:24:16,800
played etcetera. Oprah is just
not to be criticized if you want

1334
01:24:16,800 --> 01:24:17,790
to work in media.

1335
01:24:18,989 --> 01:24:24,239
Well, yeah, bikinis on a one
minute. Tangent. Look at how

1336
01:24:24,239 --> 01:24:28,679
they did Terry Crews. When he
was oh, yeah, absolutely. Yeah,

1337
01:24:28,769 --> 01:24:32,579
it all he's a hero. You know,
Terry woohoo. Yeah, Terry got

1338
01:24:32,579 --> 01:24:36,569
grope. But when he came outside,
I didn't see anybody being

1339
01:24:36,569 --> 01:24:43,079
racist to Gabrielle Union. Yeah.
It's not a sport. It's not just

1340
01:24:43,079 --> 01:24:50,129
horse, but I got grace. So what
I did was I went and to one of

1341
01:24:50,159 --> 01:24:53,279
my new favorite sources. I
really didn't listen too much.

1342
01:24:53,279 --> 01:24:56,639
But the more I listen to she has
a very interesting show. Miss

1343
01:24:56,639 --> 01:25:01,469
Karen Hunter, and she's with Mr.
Lamar King is no relation to

1344
01:25:01,469 --> 01:25:05,669
kill King? I don't believe so.
And they discussed this new

1345
01:25:05,669 --> 01:25:07,319
cross the line, but you're

1346
01:25:07,320 --> 01:25:09,270
we coming to get you that that
could have been he could he

1347
01:25:09,270 --> 01:25:13,470
could say Black Twitter or US
Nah, you know what I mean? Like

1348
01:25:13,470 --> 01:25:14,550
I'm sending nobody to the

1349
01:25:14,550 --> 01:25:18,630
crib. No, I mean, here's another
thing that they've if 50

1350
01:25:18,630 --> 01:25:21,990
something year old grandfather
having wearing his daughter's

1351
01:25:21,990 --> 01:25:25,800
scarf wearing snow. If we're
being honest, I don't think he

1352
01:25:25,800 --> 01:25:28,980
was threatening her life when
I'm saying somebody could say a

1353
01:25:28,980 --> 01:25:30,030
lot of stupid people out

1354
01:25:30,030 --> 01:25:33,480
of kids out here too. So with
that, I feel like they could

1355
01:25:33,480 --> 01:25:38,430
have pivoted her on Oprah and
really thrown it back and be

1356
01:25:38,430 --> 01:25:41,460
like, Oh my god, Snoop just
threaten my life and turn it

1357
01:25:41,460 --> 01:25:43,050
back on Snoop and make Snoop
look like the

1358
01:25:43,050 --> 01:25:45,750
villain. They don't have to
cache. Like they could have

1359
01:25:45,750 --> 01:25:50,070
attacked you why they'd been
white men for too long. And as

1360
01:25:50,070 --> 01:25:54,420
it relates to black people, for
them to turn it on to snoop what

1361
01:25:54,420 --> 01:25:56,430
require black people to be on
your side

1362
01:25:56,460 --> 01:25:58,230
here, but we don't even play
with redstone

1363
01:25:58,260 --> 01:26:01,080
we don't play with drives. But
what I've heard her say like

1364
01:26:01,110 --> 01:26:04,440
that would require people to go
after Snoop and say that was

1365
01:26:04,440 --> 01:26:06,960
wrong. Shut that down. Bah, bah,
bah, bah, bah. And I'm saying I

1366
01:26:07,170 --> 01:26:10,560
guarantee you that would have
been possible. They offered Gail

1367
01:26:10,590 --> 01:26:13,470
Yeah, they make the right phone
calls and somebody's like a

1368
01:26:13,470 --> 01:26:16,140
snoop. You know what you my man
and all, but that was too much

1369
01:26:16,140 --> 01:26:18,150
fan. You know what I'm saying
and saying that?

1370
01:26:21,180 --> 01:26:26,970
Yeah. That clips are you what
you want to? You want to discuss

1371
01:26:26,970 --> 01:26:28,830
what you can tell you what you
took away from that?

1372
01:26:30,390 --> 01:26:33,210
No, you go ahead because I just
want

1373
01:26:33,210 --> 01:26:36,930
to process she basically called
Oprah Gail white men. Well,

1374
01:26:36,930 --> 01:26:45,750
yeah. In full disclosure, Karen
Hunter is a black woman, too.

1375
01:26:45,750 --> 01:26:51,510
She said that. If the people
aren't with you, you know, they

1376
01:26:51,510 --> 01:26:54,120
couldn't do anything. You know,
they couldn't really turn this

1377
01:26:54,120 --> 01:26:57,390
around. But this guy Lamont King
was spot on because he was like,

1378
01:26:57,390 --> 01:27:01,980
you can make the right phone
calls. Yeah. And people will

1379
01:27:01,980 --> 01:27:06,630
show you made the back off. And
the funny thing is one of my

1380
01:27:06,630 --> 01:27:10,500
good friends, we discussed these
things and may have had the same

1381
01:27:10,500 --> 01:27:13,710
conversation before you know,
this whole thing. While it was

1382
01:27:13,710 --> 01:27:18,720
going on real time. It was like,
Snoop, he's stepping awesome.

1383
01:27:19,050 --> 01:27:22,500
Some of the wrong toes. If you
want to be working in this town.

1384
01:27:22,530 --> 01:27:26,430
Yeah. If you want to work if you
want to lay have a vow of

1385
01:27:26,430 --> 01:27:29,940
poverty. Yeah, you can. You can
go after these people. But

1386
01:27:30,090 --> 01:27:32,910
I'm seeing the Snoop Dogg
podcast on the horizon.

1387
01:27:33,930 --> 01:27:42,000
But I mean, I'm sure has a
what's their name of the one he

1388
01:27:42,000 --> 01:27:48,060
does the shows with? Her name
slips my mind. Yes, no one Snoop

1389
01:27:48,060 --> 01:27:53,280
does the show with I don't know
what Stewart Martha Stewart Oh,

1390
01:27:53,280 --> 01:27:57,570
sure. I'm sure opera has Martha
Stewart's number and I am or

1391
01:27:57,570 --> 01:28:01,260
whoever does the game shows it
snoops around the stoop is all

1392
01:28:01,260 --> 01:28:01,440
she

1393
01:28:01,440 --> 01:28:04,290
is incredible. She has
incredible power in the

1394
01:28:04,290 --> 01:28:08,250
television business. So anything
he's doing in television, and I

1395
01:28:08,250 --> 01:28:11,520
would argue in Hollywood,
although her main phone call is,

1396
01:28:11,580 --> 01:28:15,360
you know, is in court right now.
Because she if you. I mean, if

1397
01:28:15,360 --> 01:28:18,180
you could call Harvey Weinstein
and say, hey, you know, problem

1398
01:28:18,180 --> 01:28:21,750
with this guy. It was over.
That's now hopefully change. But

1399
01:28:21,930 --> 01:28:24,450
in television for sure. Oprah
can call on.

1400
01:28:25,740 --> 01:28:28,260
Ted Turner is another one
because he had a show on TBS,

1401
01:28:28,500 --> 01:28:30,870
I'm sure I'm sure Oprah has all
these people's numbers. And

1402
01:28:30,870 --> 01:28:31,560
like, you know,

1403
01:28:31,620 --> 01:28:35,490
well, sadly, sadly, Ted Turner
has Alzheimer's and he's a plant

1404
01:28:35,490 --> 01:28:39,330
now. So that's not a call I want
to make. Yeah. Okay. But your

1405
01:28:39,330 --> 01:28:39,660
point is,

1406
01:28:39,659 --> 01:28:42,989
oh, yeah, I mean, it's people
that they can call, they just

1407
01:28:42,989 --> 01:28:45,119
didn't know who they could call
at the time they were having

1408
01:28:45,119 --> 01:28:48,929
this discussion? Well, let's
continue to listen to did they

1409
01:28:48,929 --> 01:28:50,549
cross the crossing line?

1410
01:28:50,820 --> 01:28:54,060
You know what I'm saying? And
saying that, I could see Luke

1411
01:28:54,060 --> 01:28:58,380
saying that because No, not
black. Twitter is not saying it.

1412
01:28:59,070 --> 01:29:01,080
If you call the right person,
they I gotta think about I gotta

1413
01:29:01,080 --> 01:29:03,330
think about it. Okay, you can
call the right person. I don't

1414
01:29:03,330 --> 01:29:07,650
think somebody's senior to snow,
who's maybe 55 Instead of

1415
01:29:07,650 --> 01:29:11,610
fitting for who? You gotta let
me think I'm gonna give you they

1416
01:29:11,610 --> 01:29:13,500
could have did that. They could
have thrown it back and then

1417
01:29:13,560 --> 01:29:17,580
fade it back into the shadows.
No, because that's not right.

1418
01:29:17,700 --> 01:29:20,700
With the climate and the
temperature. People were like,

1419
01:29:20,700 --> 01:29:24,090
good. You understand? Have you
been watching the comments, get

1420
01:29:24,090 --> 01:29:27,270
it? So them saying I can't
believe you throughout my life.

1421
01:29:27,450 --> 01:29:30,990
And oh, this is terrible. You
see, you know, and try to play

1422
01:29:30,990 --> 01:29:34,800
that role with where they sit,
as I'm saying, and I'm not being

1423
01:29:34,800 --> 01:29:38,760
disrespectful. They have not
been, you can show up to black

1424
01:29:38,760 --> 01:29:42,270
things. But to be in the
community. You can show up to

1425
01:29:42,270 --> 01:29:45,690
Westside high and give money.
You can be in different places

1426
01:29:45,690 --> 01:29:48,930
and donate money, but they have
not been black people for a long

1427
01:29:48,930 --> 01:29:51,990
time. So because of the level of
wealth and how they move.

1428
01:29:53,640 --> 01:29:54,810
So the non black people

1429
01:29:56,460 --> 01:29:59,970
know, fantastic. That's about
it.

1430
01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:03,780
I'm more black than them dammit.
I can see it now clearly.

1431
01:30:05,279 --> 01:30:07,559
So yeah, they're passing so is
there

1432
01:30:08,429 --> 01:30:12,899
this Karen? What's her name?
Karen. Hunter Hunter where she

1433
01:30:12,899 --> 01:30:15,059
where can I want to listen to
this show where she on?

1434
01:30:15,419 --> 01:30:19,529
She's on the satellite radio.

1435
01:30:20,069 --> 01:30:21,779
Oh, Sirius Sirius XM? Yes.

1436
01:30:21,779 --> 01:30:24,899
You're serious. Yeah, you will
find her on YouTube as well. Oh,

1437
01:30:24,930 --> 01:30:27,000
it sounds fun to listen to.
Alright, cool.

1438
01:30:27,210 --> 01:30:30,210
She does have a very interesting
show. And she makes some very

1439
01:30:30,210 --> 01:30:34,050
interesting points, but I think
she was a little awfulness.

1440
01:30:34,050 --> 01:30:39,300
Akashi underestimate the power
of one sympathy, because exactly

1441
01:30:39,300 --> 01:30:42,270
what Gayle King, Oprah did. I
mean, we covered that already in

1442
01:30:42,270 --> 01:30:45,450
the clips that they paid the
he's threatening me roll, you

1443
01:30:45,450 --> 01:30:48,930
know, he says, come to get me my
death threat. Yeah, but I want

1444
01:30:48,930 --> 01:30:55,170
to point out and earlier clips
about the previous reporter.

1445
01:30:55,590 --> 01:30:59,700
They got the same death threat.
So you can't put this on snoop.

1446
01:30:59,940 --> 01:31:05,310
Right. Yeah, I mean, what you
it's not equivalent to say yeah.

1447
01:31:05,310 --> 01:31:08,940
Oh, Snoop said this are now
getting death threats. No. Snoop

1448
01:31:08,940 --> 01:31:12,000
didn't say anything about the
lady from the Washington Post.

1449
01:31:12,000 --> 01:31:14,940
But she got death threats,
because she came against trying

1450
01:31:14,940 --> 01:31:18,540
to ask me her Cobis image,
right. So I think that's not a

1451
01:31:18,540 --> 01:31:22,260
fair, no one to one correlation
and say, What Snoop said, I'm

1452
01:31:22,260 --> 01:31:27,870
getting death threats. But let's
let Karen and I'll finish up why

1453
01:31:27,870 --> 01:31:28,110
people

1454
01:31:28,109 --> 01:31:30,689
don't treat them like black
kids. So you could use that as

1455
01:31:30,689 --> 01:31:33,419
all I'm saying, you make that
right phone call to a person. I

1456
01:31:33,419 --> 01:31:34,379
don't even know their name.

1457
01:31:35,880 --> 01:31:38,100
As a white person, I'd like to
hear the beginning over again.

1458
01:31:38,220 --> 01:31:39,750
Why people don't treat them like
black

1459
01:31:39,750 --> 01:31:40,500
keys. So you.

1460
01:31:43,529 --> 01:31:46,379
That's right. That's nice. could

1461
01:31:46,379 --> 01:31:49,169
use that as all I'm saying. You
make that right phone call to a

1462
01:31:49,169 --> 01:31:51,809
person. I don't even know their
name. And that person is calling

1463
01:31:51,809 --> 01:31:53,939
us news. like, Yo, you don't
want to mess with your money

1464
01:31:53,939 --> 01:31:58,139
champ. They can't mess with his
money channel. It's always

1465
01:31:58,139 --> 01:32:02,039
somebody, somebody just No Pass
agency. Everybody does.

1466
01:32:03,059 --> 01:32:05,309
Everybody does. mocks No

1467
01:32:05,310 --> 01:32:08,190
Pass agency. He said when he
said there's nothing you can do

1468
01:32:08,190 --> 01:32:11,430
about it. You take away the
Martha Stewart. You're gonna get

1469
01:32:11,430 --> 01:32:14,340
money because black people are
gonna support Snoop Dogg no

1470
01:32:14,340 --> 01:32:16,050
matter what. And even though I
agree,

1471
01:32:16,080 --> 01:32:18,570
but you're saying he's bigger
than doing an apology tour? Yes.

1472
01:32:18,570 --> 01:32:20,490
When they come get you they come
in to get

1473
01:32:20,490 --> 01:32:26,490
you know. Ah, Oh, interesting.
Wrong. Yeah, exactly.

1474
01:32:26,729 --> 01:32:31,289
Exactly. I think Kara Horner I
think she knows better. She

1475
01:32:31,289 --> 01:32:43,649
knows better. But in Black
Media, this situation for the

1476
01:32:43,679 --> 01:32:48,359
people and Black Media was very
sensitive. Because the people

1477
01:32:48,749 --> 01:32:49,559
were with Snoop.

1478
01:32:49,830 --> 01:32:54,810
Yeah. But the media the media.
Is Oprah

1479
01:32:55,890 --> 01:32:57,540
talented. 10th and the you know,

1480
01:32:57,960 --> 01:33:01,380
you got to be because Oprah
could def shit. I could call one

1481
01:33:01,380 --> 01:33:04,950
person at serious and get this
get I could get Karen off there.

1482
01:33:05,370 --> 01:33:08,700
If I really want one person i
It's one call. But I could do

1483
01:33:08,700 --> 01:33:13,410
that. I mean, Oprah Imagine,
imagine. Oh, no. Of course you

1484
01:33:13,410 --> 01:33:14,790
got to be thinking about that.

1485
01:33:15,120 --> 01:33:19,200
Though. She gave snoop. She
knows Snoop was not more

1486
01:33:19,200 --> 01:33:24,660
powerful than Oprah. Oprah could
easily shut down. Shut down

1487
01:33:24,660 --> 01:33:28,410
Snoop, but she was playing to
her audience. She's like, you

1488
01:33:28,410 --> 01:33:31,560
know, I'm on Snoop side. I want
to you know, Sue can't be taken.

1489
01:33:31,560 --> 01:33:36,210
Come on, knock it off. Right
now. Nobody's above. And that's

1490
01:33:36,210 --> 01:33:39,690
the thing about when you become
a billionaire. That's a whole

1491
01:33:39,690 --> 01:33:44,220
different that she was making
the point. She was making two

1492
01:33:44,220 --> 01:33:48,000
points at once. But she was
saying one that they haven't

1493
01:33:48,000 --> 01:33:50,640
been black people for a long
time because of the money and

1494
01:33:50,640 --> 01:33:54,900
the influence they have. But
then Snoop has more power to

1495
01:33:54,900 --> 01:33:55,830
overnight. Yeah,

1496
01:33:55,830 --> 01:34:00,300
no way. Yeah, I don't think
Barack Obama had a party at at

1497
01:34:00,300 --> 01:34:05,190
snoops house to raise money for
his campaign in 2012. I don't

1498
01:34:05,190 --> 01:34:05,820
think so.

1499
01:34:06,149 --> 01:34:14,159
Exactly. So Oprah comes out. And
she plays the sympathy card as

1500
01:34:14,159 --> 01:34:16,109
long as La maki alluded to.

1501
01:34:17,159 --> 01:34:20,339
I think the last 24 hours for
your best friend had been pretty

1502
01:34:20,339 --> 01:34:23,639
difficult after that interview
with Lisa Leslie about Kobe. And

1503
01:34:23,639 --> 01:34:25,979
I just wondered just how she's
doing

1504
01:34:26,010 --> 01:34:30,660
and it's not doing well. May I
say she is not she is not doing

1505
01:34:30,720 --> 01:34:35,640
well, because she has now death
threats and has to now travel

1506
01:34:35,640 --> 01:34:41,280
with security. And she's feeling
very much attacked. You know,

1507
01:34:41,280 --> 01:34:49,890
Bill Cosby is texting from is
tweeting from jail. And she's

1508
01:34:49,890 --> 01:34:53,850
not she's not doing well and
feels that she was put in a

1509
01:34:53,850 --> 01:34:58,380
really terrible position because
that interview had already ran

1510
01:34:58,530 --> 01:35:03,510
was over and in the car Text of
the interview, everyone seemed

1511
01:35:03,510 --> 01:35:09,420
fine, including Lisa Leslie. And
it was only because somebody at

1512
01:35:09,420 --> 01:35:14,610
the network, put up that clip.
And that and I can see how

1513
01:35:14,610 --> 01:35:18,330
people would obviously be very
upset if you thought that Gail

1514
01:35:18,330 --> 01:35:22,140
was just trying to press to get,
you know an answer from Lisa

1515
01:35:22,140 --> 01:35:22,590
Leslie.

1516
01:35:22,950 --> 01:35:25,560
So she propagates the lie
because again, that's not what

1517
01:35:25,560 --> 01:35:29,460
it was about. It was about the
URIs friend, you wouldn't really

1518
01:35:29,460 --> 01:35:30,150
know anyway.

1519
01:35:30,629 --> 01:35:32,969
Yeah, it wasn't it wasn't about
the question. I mean, she just

1520
01:35:32,969 --> 01:35:34,199
asked that one question. You

1521
01:35:34,200 --> 01:35:38,760
know what, they fooled me mo.
They had me fooled. They had me

1522
01:35:38,760 --> 01:35:42,840
fooled. I was. But now again, I
did not dive in. This was not my

1523
01:35:42,840 --> 01:35:45,420
topic to do. But they had me
definitely.

1524
01:35:45,719 --> 01:35:48,599
And that's the whole point. I
mean, what headlines is why

1525
01:35:48,599 --> 01:35:51,989
they're so powerful now that the
majority of people only read the

1526
01:35:51,989 --> 01:35:57,539
headlines, and maybe the first
paragraph, you know, of course,

1527
01:35:58,649 --> 01:36:01,139
mostly the headlines. I mean,
when you look it up and down a

1528
01:36:01,139 --> 01:36:05,639
timeline, so they understand how
it works. But what they don't

1529
01:36:05,999 --> 01:36:10,289
understand is, there's people
that are spotting these trends.

1530
01:36:10,349 --> 01:36:14,339
Yeah, what the timeline is in
line, and you can go back on

1531
01:36:14,339 --> 01:36:16,949
your line and say, Okay, there's
a data point, there's a data

1532
01:36:16,949 --> 01:36:21,389
point, there's a data point, and
you start formulating these, you

1533
01:36:21,389 --> 01:36:25,169
know, these ideas that Oh, I see
how you do things different,

1534
01:36:25,469 --> 01:36:27,989
depending on who's involved.
What did what

1535
01:36:27,990 --> 01:36:29,790
did Bill Cosby tweet?

1536
01:36:31,680 --> 01:36:32,970
I am not even sure I

1537
01:36:36,300 --> 01:36:37,680
have a Twitter in jail.

1538
01:36:38,130 --> 01:36:40,500
It's another question was going
blind. So I mean,

1539
01:36:42,090 --> 01:36:46,890
it's right. Can't walk is blind.
And yet dude are in jail. I

1540
01:36:46,890 --> 01:36:47,670
don't know. I have

1541
01:36:48,689 --> 01:36:52,019
to throw his name in there. We
really build and do them any

1542
01:36:52,949 --> 01:36:57,059
service because when you link
Snoop Dogg's name to Bill Cosby,

1543
01:36:57,359 --> 01:37:02,609
now, you know, always you're
guilty by association. Of

1544
01:37:02,609 --> 01:37:06,809
course, that's what that's what
that's a tool. All right. So you

1545
01:37:06,809 --> 01:37:09,419
had that was just let people
know who was on the interview

1546
01:37:09,419 --> 01:37:11,729
that was older I think is her
name outta.

1547
01:37:16,979 --> 01:37:23,699
hodor hodor hodor and Bush lady.
She's granddaughter I believe.

1548
01:37:24,630 --> 01:37:30,660
Yeah, I guess. I don't know. I'm
watching Fox News with your

1549
01:37:30,660 --> 01:37:35,190
wife. I have no idea what what's
going? It's Hoda. Yeah.

1550
01:37:35,999 --> 01:37:39,239
So if you listen to him, and Oh,
no.

1551
01:37:41,550 --> 01:37:43,920
That's not the show where they
drink in the morning. Isn't it

1552
01:37:43,920 --> 01:37:44,580
that show?

1553
01:37:45,180 --> 01:37:48,900
Yeah, yeah. Yeah, they made they
made a

1554
01:37:48,900 --> 01:37:50,580
turn. Oh, yeah.

1555
01:37:51,210 --> 01:38:00,420
So I'm, in this next clip, I'm
gonna give you a task. Okay,

1556
01:38:00,450 --> 01:38:04,380
I'll make the talking point was
laid out in this next clip, but

1557
01:38:04,380 --> 01:38:04,860
Oprah,

1558
01:38:05,670 --> 01:38:12,810
she, she obviously all things
pass. She will be okay. But she

1559
01:38:12,810 --> 01:38:15,450
hasn't slept about two days.
What do you think about all that

1560
01:38:15,450 --> 01:38:19,470
criticism? I think the vitriol
is I think anybody can criticize

1561
01:38:19,500 --> 01:38:24,810
anything, but the misogynist
vitriol and the attacking to the

1562
01:38:24,810 --> 01:38:28,620
point where it is dangerous to
be in the streets alone, because

1563
01:38:28,740 --> 01:38:32,040
it's not just the people who are
attacking. It's the other people

1564
01:38:32,040 --> 01:38:35,970
who take that message and feel
like they can do whatever they

1565
01:38:35,970 --> 01:38:37,530
want to because of it. You know,

1566
01:38:37,559 --> 01:38:40,619
you have built this community.
That's what you're doing with

1567
01:38:40,619 --> 01:38:44,039
this tour. That's what you do
with your friends. We have best

1568
01:38:44,039 --> 01:38:46,739
friends we were talking about
this last night that if one of

1569
01:38:46,739 --> 01:38:49,379
our friends was going through
this, it's you.

1570
01:38:49,470 --> 01:38:53,130
There's a difference between you
and what do you do? You support

1571
01:38:53,130 --> 01:38:56,070
them and you know, I was on the
phone with her this morning. I

1572
01:38:56,070 --> 01:38:57,960
was on the phone with her last
night I was on the phone with

1573
01:38:57,960 --> 01:39:02,160
her the night before I think you
you stand in the gap. You try to

1574
01:39:02,160 --> 01:39:06,120
be there for your friends. But
it's this is very hard because

1575
01:39:06,330 --> 01:39:10,950
when you have social media and
the force of social media, and

1576
01:39:10,950 --> 01:39:15,300
particularly people who didn't
see either interview making

1577
01:39:15,300 --> 01:39:18,720
attacks, and I think everybody
has a right to have their

1578
01:39:18,840 --> 01:39:23,130
opinion, but to do it with such
vitriol is hate and meanness.

1579
01:39:24,660 --> 01:39:26,280
Well, I heard misogynist in
there.

1580
01:39:27,180 --> 01:39:29,340
Yeah. misogynist. vitriol?

1581
01:39:29,370 --> 01:39:37,110
Yes. Yeah. Did I win? I get a
car, a car and you get a car.

1582
01:39:37,110 --> 01:39:40,890
Yes. misogynist vitriol?
Exactly. It was right away. They

1583
01:39:40,890 --> 01:39:43,980
went to us because she's a woman
now it's because what she said

1584
01:39:44,100 --> 01:39:45,930
what she did it wasn't because
she's a woman.

1585
01:39:47,189 --> 01:39:49,319
And but but

1586
01:39:50,220 --> 01:39:54,330
but what she probably was
referring to or how people may

1587
01:39:54,330 --> 01:39:59,100
have received that is when you
say dog had bitch that's, that

1588
01:39:59,100 --> 01:40:00,540
would be seen as massage.
gymnast.

1589
01:40:01,170 --> 01:40:04,170
That was the that was what she
was talking about. But that was

1590
01:40:04,200 --> 01:40:10,290
that's what made it a man versus
woman thing. Yeah, even though

1591
01:40:10,290 --> 01:40:15,510
we just heard Monique come at
the Oprah for this and then we

1592
01:40:15,510 --> 01:40:20,640
are early in the clips that what
was her name? Lindsay Granger.

1593
01:40:20,670 --> 01:40:26,130
She went after people trying to
railroad Cobis legacy. So this

1594
01:40:26,130 --> 01:40:29,610
is not a man versus woman thing.
But that's what that's the way

1595
01:40:29,610 --> 01:40:32,130
they want it to. That's how
they're selling. Yeah, sure.

1596
01:40:32,310 --> 01:40:37,140
That's, that was a spin. Yeah.
And et was complicit in this

1597
01:40:37,140 --> 01:40:37,590
because

1598
01:40:39,149 --> 01:40:41,129
she, what a surprise.

1599
01:40:41,910 --> 01:40:47,100
Right. So we have everybody, you
know, on, on on message point.

1600
01:40:47,670 --> 01:40:48,420
We're rolling.

1601
01:40:49,200 --> 01:40:53,070
So everybody's on message. So
one of the people this message

1602
01:40:53,100 --> 01:40:56,340
is none other than one of the
Boulais. Members, Mr. Roland

1603
01:40:56,340 --> 01:41:00,390
Martin. We've talked about him
before on the show.

1604
01:41:00,420 --> 01:41:04,320
He's uh, what's his background
again? What is it because I see

1605
01:41:04,320 --> 01:41:07,290
him all the time. What is the
deal with Roland Martin? What is

1606
01:41:07,290 --> 01:41:09,060
he what they're saying?

1607
01:41:09,090 --> 01:41:11,100
He's a card carrying member of
the Boulais

1608
01:41:12,330 --> 01:41:15,210
he's even got that phony as
Kravets. You know, it doesn't

1609
01:41:15,210 --> 01:41:18,300
wear tie. I've got to wear this
silk thing in my shirt.

1610
01:41:18,750 --> 01:41:22,920
Yeah. What's it called? Ascot
basket?

1611
01:41:23,279 --> 01:41:27,269
Yes, I called Kravets. But yes
and ask him exactly, exactly.

1612
01:41:27,269 --> 01:41:28,229
But yeah, he.

1613
01:41:30,029 --> 01:41:32,039
That guy's hilarious. So oh,

1614
01:41:32,040 --> 01:41:35,880
he's also he was on the Tom
Joyner show for years. Yes, he

1615
01:41:35,880 --> 01:41:38,310
was. Yeah. Okay. I got you.

1616
01:41:38,940 --> 01:41:40,860
I said he was a card

1617
01:41:40,859 --> 01:41:42,179
carrying member. You're right.

1618
01:41:42,810 --> 01:41:47,790
Remember? So he's confused about
this whole situation. And you

1619
01:41:47,790 --> 01:41:50,190
can hear it and controversy one.

1620
01:41:50,490 --> 01:41:54,360
Please explain to me Lauren, how
in the hell? Gayle King verse.

1621
01:41:54,360 --> 01:41:58,500
Snoop is a 21st century of the
East east coast, west coast.

1622
01:41:58,740 --> 01:42:03,960
Rap. It's like Tupac and Biggie.
I mean, this is this is and

1623
01:42:03,960 --> 01:42:07,800
people on the west side, y'all
I'm like, yo, shut up. I'm

1624
01:42:07,800 --> 01:42:11,610
telling you, you know, y'all
they gonna make because I'm just

1625
01:42:11,640 --> 01:42:15,030
I don't it's just it's like it's
it's just

1626
01:42:15,029 --> 01:42:21,239
stupid. He's, he's confused.
Like, I was going I don't know

1627
01:42:21,239 --> 01:42:24,149
what's going on here. What's
going

1628
01:42:25,890 --> 01:42:33,570
on? mean, he's, he's feigning
this surprises. He always, he

1629
01:42:33,570 --> 01:42:37,440
always seems so sure of himself
when he's on CNN or MSNBC.

1630
01:42:38,640 --> 01:42:43,260
Exactly. But now when you put
between a Rock in a Hard Place

1631
01:42:43,290 --> 01:42:46,590
of the he even said himself,
people want me to choose

1632
01:42:46,920 --> 01:42:50,310
going with going with with the
man of the people? Are you going

1633
01:42:50,310 --> 01:42:52,170
to go with your fellow Boulais?

1634
01:42:54,060 --> 01:42:59,040
You hear how fluster he is. In
the next clip, this woman is

1635
01:42:59,040 --> 01:43:01,920
going to explain it to learn
quite clearly what's going on.

1636
01:43:02,130 --> 01:43:05,490
I'll try to explain to you
rolling. I think part of the

1637
01:43:05,490 --> 01:43:09,900
issue here is that there's a
longer history here that I think

1638
01:43:09,900 --> 01:43:11,970
Snoop and 50 cent and a lot of
these guys have been paying

1639
01:43:11,970 --> 01:43:15,600
attention to longer than maybe
any of us, which is that if you

1640
01:43:15,600 --> 01:43:18,360
look at the reporting,
specifically on CBS, and

1641
01:43:18,360 --> 01:43:22,560
specifically by Gayle King, and
Oprah, you see that they covered

1642
01:43:22,560 --> 01:43:26,100
Bill Cosby and are Kelly, and
Michael Jackson, and then

1643
01:43:26,100 --> 01:43:29,160
Russell Simmons, and then Justin
Fairfax. And then Kobe Bryant,

1644
01:43:29,370 --> 01:43:31,740
they covered them in a certain
way that I don't think we saw

1645
01:43:31,740 --> 01:43:34,830
coverage of with regard to
frankly, with regard to white

1646
01:43:34,830 --> 01:43:37,620
males accused of sexual assault.
And we're in kind of this moment

1647
01:43:37,620 --> 01:43:41,850
where allegations or conviction
with sexual assault. So if

1648
01:43:41,850 --> 01:43:44,940
somebody says something, the
person's life has just blown up,

1649
01:43:44,940 --> 01:43:47,520
whether you know the details of
the story or not. And I think

1650
01:43:47,520 --> 01:43:50,700
that the CBS Morning Show can't
be confused with 60 minutes. I

1651
01:43:50,700 --> 01:43:53,100
mean, they don't really are not
investigating on the same level

1652
01:43:53,100 --> 01:43:56,490
as a frontline or 60 minutes
show. So when he puts people on

1653
01:43:56,490 --> 01:43:59,730
and the thing blows up, and that
person's reputation is blown up.

1654
01:43:59,880 --> 01:44:03,810
That person is of course paying
a huge price. And I think the

1655
01:44:03,810 --> 01:44:06,630
fact that Gail, of course, is
best friends with Oprah Winfrey,

1656
01:44:06,630 --> 01:44:09,810
who unfortunately before she
turned 15, she was raped when

1657
01:44:09,810 --> 01:44:13,950
she was nine years old, and then
14, which is incredibly tragic.

1658
01:44:14,100 --> 01:44:16,860
I think the fact that she has
that connection with Oprah and

1659
01:44:16,860 --> 01:44:19,890
when these things happen, they
tend to get involved in it like,

1660
01:44:20,970 --> 01:44:27,420
hey, who was the woman speaking
again? I like her. I like her. I

1661
01:44:27,420 --> 01:44:31,830
want to add it to my playlist.
Was she not? We'll figure it

1662
01:44:31,830 --> 01:44:34,380
out. We'll figure it out. Once
we figured it out. She's talking

1663
01:44:34,380 --> 01:44:35,130
some sense.

1664
01:44:36,450 --> 01:44:44,520
What she has all figured out but
Robin, I don't know. Robin posed

1665
01:44:44,520 --> 01:44:49,380
to be a man of the people. You
he didn't spot this trend. Oprah

1666
01:44:51,510 --> 01:44:57,690
Another one was the the
Lieutenant Governor of Virginia,

1667
01:44:57,720 --> 01:45:05,280
the guy that got another another
pass Yeah, you know, so he

1668
01:45:05,280 --> 01:45:08,130
doesn't he didn't get it, but
she laid it out quite clearly

1669
01:45:08,130 --> 01:45:10,620
and she's gonna continuing on
clip three.

1670
01:45:10,770 --> 01:45:14,970
I remember when the Michael
Jackson documentary came up was

1671
01:45:14,970 --> 01:45:18,030
surviving leaving Neverland.
Yeah, they did like a week on

1672
01:45:18,030 --> 01:45:21,150
that they had the Jackson family
and then they had the guy that

1673
01:45:21,150 --> 01:45:23,820
did the documentary and they
had, you know, they had like

1674
01:45:23,820 --> 01:45:26,520
step after step detail after
detail did the same thing with

1675
01:45:26,520 --> 01:45:29,130
our Kelly. They had our Kelly's
accusers, and then they had

1676
01:45:29,130 --> 01:45:33,510
another accuser. It was like,
the level of attention and

1677
01:45:33,510 --> 01:45:38,070
reporting that went into that is
not the same that we saw on a

1678
01:45:38,070 --> 01:45:40,200
lot of these stories involving
white males who have been

1679
01:45:40,200 --> 01:45:43,590
accused, I think when people but
right when people make that

1680
01:45:43,620 --> 01:45:46,590
Harvey Weinstein and many more,
I'm gonna make that point and

1681
01:45:46,590 --> 01:45:49,170
making a really good point. And
when you have these positions in

1682
01:45:49,170 --> 01:45:51,180
journalism that are so
important, and so rare for

1683
01:45:51,180 --> 01:45:54,480
African Americans that Gayle
King has, she has to be thinking

1684
01:45:54,570 --> 01:45:57,090
about how the community is
represented. I know that's an

1685
01:45:57,090 --> 01:45:59,910
extra burden on black
journalists that perhaps

1686
01:45:59,910 --> 01:46:03,000
shouldn't be there. But she's
got to be thinking about how she

1687
01:46:03,000 --> 01:46:07,170
uses her stage. And frankly, I
think the most underrepresented

1688
01:46:07,500 --> 01:46:11,040
the most underrepresented group
on TV to me is black men. We

1689
01:46:11,040 --> 01:46:14,610
have a lot of black women out
there a lot more than we did be

1690
01:46:14,610 --> 01:46:16,500
fine with all of that. Yeah.

1691
01:46:18,930 --> 01:46:26,070
Shut up. Now, he has all the
answers where she started saying

1692
01:46:26,070 --> 01:46:28,770
that black men are
underrepresented in the media,

1693
01:46:29,190 --> 01:46:33,510
and that mindset that Snoop Dogg
and 50 cent and those guys came

1694
01:46:33,510 --> 01:46:36,330
with now he's I got it. I got
it.

1695
01:46:37,529 --> 01:46:39,689
I thought you were confused
right?

1696
01:46:40,560 --> 01:46:45,090
So now you got all the ads now
he was like shut up. You got it.

1697
01:46:45,090 --> 01:46:51,870
I got you saying too much. But
let's let them wrap up with a

1698
01:46:51,870 --> 01:46:52,650
clip for

1699
01:46:53,100 --> 01:46:57,930
it's gone crazy. It's gone crazy
because I've seen effective that

1700
01:46:57,930 --> 01:47:00,510
Snoop pass even though I didn't
agree with what he how he you

1701
01:47:00,510 --> 01:47:03,120
know what he called Gail. But
the respect perspective that 50

1702
01:47:03,120 --> 01:47:05,790
cent Snoop has is not
represented on TV. I mean, I'm

1703
01:47:05,790 --> 01:47:10,650
not expecting I'm not. I'm not
expecting a major news outlet to

1704
01:47:10,650 --> 01:47:14,850
have to go to a bar and pick a
guy. But we see the PhDs and we

1705
01:47:14,850 --> 01:47:18,060
see the you know, club bourgeois
in there all the time, the

1706
01:47:18,060 --> 01:47:23,100
overeducated, top 10%, we don't
see the average black male on TV

1707
01:47:23,130 --> 01:47:25,530
represented very much their
views. So Gotcha.

1708
01:47:26,880 --> 01:47:29,970
But here's also heat. But let me
let me caution all these

1709
01:47:29,970 --> 01:47:33,390
brothers out here who want to
get high and mighty. Their

1710
01:47:33,390 --> 01:47:36,390
treatment of black women may
also become under the microscope

1711
01:47:36,420 --> 01:47:39,900
by Well, it has to be a
microscope is with Galen doper

1712
01:47:39,900 --> 01:47:40,530
around it. No, no,

1713
01:47:41,309 --> 01:47:46,259
no, no, no, no, no, no, what I'm
saying is that if this thing is

1714
01:47:46,259 --> 01:47:49,589
going to escalate into black men
versus black women, you try and

1715
01:47:49,589 --> 01:47:52,589
take somebody down. I'm simply
saying, I think some people have

1716
01:47:52,589 --> 01:47:56,549
gotten to the point that they're
so irrational in their response

1717
01:47:56,669 --> 01:48:00,119
that is gotten way overheated at
the end of the day. I'm like,

1718
01:48:00,119 --> 01:48:01,559
Y'all, seriously?

1719
01:48:02,400 --> 01:48:07,140
The minute she mentioned like
the B word. She didn't use

1720
01:48:07,140 --> 01:48:09,630
Boulais but it was clear what
she was talking about. That's

1721
01:48:09,630 --> 01:48:12,390
when Roland Martin's like Okay,
gotta shut this down. Now

1722
01:48:12,390 --> 01:48:17,790
listen, today. I can't talk
about no more. You went you saw

1723
01:48:17,790 --> 01:48:19,110
me at the meeting? What do you
see?

1724
01:48:20,729 --> 01:48:26,849
And to go back to last show, you
asked me about the State of the

1725
01:48:26,849 --> 01:48:33,299
Union and Trump and how I took
it and I use his term real black

1726
01:48:33,299 --> 01:48:38,579
people right? And you were like
hot like real black people. And

1727
01:48:38,579 --> 01:48:43,559
I was like no not the super
intellect or you know I kind of

1728
01:48:43,559 --> 01:48:47,699
laid it out like it we can't Can
we just hear her say that again?

1729
01:48:47,999 --> 01:48:51,509
Like the first 30 seconds? I cuz
you brought it up I want us to

1730
01:48:51,539 --> 01:48:53,729
really hear what she said.

1731
01:48:53,760 --> 01:48:56,790
What this clip the one we just
played. Yes, please. Okay,

1732
01:48:57,090 --> 01:48:58,470
second of course we can do that.

1733
01:48:58,500 --> 01:48:59,970
It's gone crazy and obviously

1734
01:49:00,240 --> 01:49:04,410
it's gone crazy because I think
effective that new pas even

1735
01:49:04,410 --> 01:49:06,180
though I didn't agree with what
he how he you know what he

1736
01:49:06,180 --> 01:49:09,000
called Gail, but the respect
perspective that 50 cents new

1737
01:49:09,000 --> 01:49:12,480
pas is not represented on TV. I
mean, I'm not expecting I'm not

1738
01:49:13,410 --> 01:49:17,130
I'm not expecting a major news
outlet to have to go to a bar

1739
01:49:17,130 --> 01:49:21,510
and pick a guy but we see the
PhDs and we see the you know

1740
01:49:21,510 --> 01:49:25,020
club bourgeois in there all the
time the overeducated, the top

1741
01:49:25,020 --> 01:49:25,830
10%

1742
01:49:26,069 --> 01:49:29,219
who keep saying great point
great point Who's Who's that

1743
01:49:29,219 --> 01:49:32,699
like another guy? He's like from
Is he from the food? Jeez, is

1744
01:49:32,699 --> 01:49:39,569
that the fruit cheese guy? Yeah.
Yeah, okay, so yeah, her point

1745
01:49:39,569 --> 01:49:44,189
is well made I understand it
like she's saying like a not not

1746
01:49:44,189 --> 01:49:48,179
the typical representation but I
don't know like mo maybe.

1747
01:49:49,080 --> 01:49:53,850
Yeah, exactly. Mo we see it when
we were not you know, we're not

1748
01:49:54,690 --> 01:49:57,810
when you go to Ivy League
schools or whatnot but we we see

1749
01:49:57,810 --> 01:50:00,600
what's going on I mean it take a
you know, a pic I need to figure

1750
01:50:00,600 --> 01:50:07,080
out that Gail and Oprah have
something for black men. And in

1751
01:50:07,080 --> 01:50:10,200
a previous clip that clip three
she mentioned that both of them

1752
01:50:10,200 --> 01:50:14,250
were victims of sexual assault.
And you asked the question.

1753
01:50:14,250 --> 01:50:19,980
Well, I mean, I kind of glossed
over by saying it's male hate

1754
01:50:20,040 --> 01:50:23,970
when I mean, maybe their hate
comes from a justified place of

1755
01:50:23,970 --> 01:50:29,610
you know, this demographic that
hurt me. So now I have to go out

1756
01:50:29,640 --> 01:50:33,510
you know, in be proactive in
that's possible

1757
01:50:33,510 --> 01:50:38,250
it's possible for sure that and
that's unresolved issues but

1758
01:50:38,550 --> 01:50:47,130
understandable to a degree but
it should not matter if I mean,

1759
01:50:47,130 --> 01:50:51,150
it shouldn't matter what we what
if black or white and they get

1760
01:50:51,150 --> 01:50:54,300
the let the white guys slide, I
die. See the problem. Of course,

1761
01:50:54,300 --> 01:50:58,530
I I never recognized this
pattern. With Oprah. I just saw

1762
01:50:58,530 --> 01:51:01,740
the individual pieces. As I
said, the Michael Jackson part

1763
01:51:01,740 --> 01:51:05,850
bothered me a lot. Because she
was such a proponent. And then

1764
01:51:05,850 --> 01:51:08,940
based on this flimsy
documentary, she's switched it

1765
01:51:08,940 --> 01:51:12,720
up as as the woman said here,
you know, a week long have

1766
01:51:12,750 --> 01:51:15,870
interviews and everything. And
the same with our Kelly. But

1767
01:51:15,870 --> 01:51:18,900
nothing for the it's
inconsistent and clearly

1768
01:51:18,900 --> 01:51:21,090
racially based in that case,
somehow.

1769
01:51:21,930 --> 01:51:24,420
And who, who's gonna call her
out? Because what we heard in

1770
01:51:24,420 --> 01:51:28,290
the TMZ, Monique clip, it was
like, You can't call her Oprah.

1771
01:51:28,980 --> 01:51:30,180
You know, Snoop

1772
01:51:30,180 --> 01:51:32,940
is probably uniquely qualified
to do that.

1773
01:51:35,550 --> 01:51:41,310
Yeah, but even Snoop was Yeah,
well, we'll get there. So

1774
01:51:41,310 --> 01:51:48,240
another, another person wanted a
super smart elite that were put

1775
01:51:48,240 --> 01:51:51,540
out to like, kind of put the
fire out was one of your

1776
01:51:51,540 --> 01:51:53,340
favorites, Mr. Michael, Eric
Dyson,

1777
01:51:53,430 --> 01:51:54,960
oh, no, not this guy.

1778
01:51:56,970 --> 01:51:59,430
You're gonna have legitimate
critiques of Oprah Winfrey and

1779
01:51:59,430 --> 01:52:02,970
Gayle King, you can legitimately
ask them, What about their

1780
01:52:03,210 --> 01:52:08,280
viewpoints about Harvey
Weinstein? And Al Franken, and

1781
01:52:08,280 --> 01:52:12,120
Charlie Rose versus a Kobe
Bryant, right? That's a

1782
01:52:12,120 --> 01:52:16,560
legitimate critique. What is not
legitimate is to in a vicious

1783
01:52:16,620 --> 01:52:20,610
sense of assault them this
canceled culture has to be ended

1784
01:52:20,700 --> 01:52:22,620
has to itself be canceled?

1785
01:52:23,700 --> 01:52:26,400
Well, that's interesting. So he
says, here's, here's what you

1786
01:52:26,400 --> 01:52:28,140
could do, but let's not do it.

1787
01:52:30,029 --> 01:52:33,839
Yeah, and then the council
culture, that's, that's, they've

1788
01:52:33,839 --> 01:52:39,929
made their, you know, whole
second part of their career,

1789
01:52:39,959 --> 01:52:43,019
about canceled culture, calling
this person now going out to

1790
01:52:43,019 --> 01:52:43,919
advertise exactly

1791
01:52:43,920 --> 01:52:46,620
what they're doing. And it's
exactly what's going on here.

1792
01:52:47,850 --> 01:52:50,670
But it's the canceled culture
that needs to be cancelled. And

1793
01:52:50,670 --> 01:52:53,760
I want to say something else.
Michael, Eric Dyson has made

1794
01:52:54,240 --> 01:52:58,140
most of his, you know, career
about writing about rappers. I

1795
01:52:58,140 --> 01:53:03,750
think he has a book on Jay Z,
one on Tupac and a few others.

1796
01:53:04,530 --> 01:53:08,790
Now, you're bothered by
misogyny. Now you're bothered by

1797
01:53:08,820 --> 01:53:15,330
foul language? I don't
understand. So it's just that,

1798
01:53:15,510 --> 01:53:22,830
like I said, the Boulais have
been exposed. They don't have

1799
01:53:22,830 --> 01:53:25,530
the power they used to they
don't have the power to

1800
01:53:26,730 --> 01:53:29,730
manipulate through the media,
because there's other outlets

1801
01:53:29,760 --> 01:53:36,030
like this show here and other
podcasts, YouTube, YouTubers,

1802
01:53:36,030 --> 01:53:40,830
vloggers, whatever. I mean, fill
in the blank, that are pointing

1803
01:53:40,830 --> 01:53:43,710
out that the counter narrative
is like, no, that's not how it

1804
01:53:43,710 --> 01:53:47,190
went. This is. This is how it
goes. Well,

1805
01:53:47,189 --> 01:53:49,619
believe it or not, people are
getting their information in

1806
01:53:49,619 --> 01:53:54,209
their cultural fix from places
other than the arena that these

1807
01:53:54,209 --> 01:53:54,989
people play in.

1808
01:53:56,550 --> 01:53:59,550
Yes. Especially with cord
cutters. I mean, that's that's

1809
01:53:59,550 --> 01:54:01,590
one of the big things because
you don't have to broadcast

1810
01:54:01,590 --> 01:54:02,850
network. No, it's not

1811
01:54:02,880 --> 01:54:05,850
none of our girls have cable.
None of them. They come over

1812
01:54:05,850 --> 01:54:08,790
here to watch the Academy
Awards. There's no cable. They

1813
01:54:08,790 --> 01:54:10,440
don't care. It's not
interesting.

1814
01:54:11,250 --> 01:54:15,930
Sesame you're tailoring your
information do to what you're

1815
01:54:15,930 --> 01:54:20,220
interested in. And your
timeline. Yep. So CBS is not

1816
01:54:20,220 --> 01:54:24,240
going to save you if you
noticed. Even opera said the

1817
01:54:24,240 --> 01:54:27,420
interview was out there. You
know, it was only when it became

1818
01:54:27,420 --> 01:54:31,170
a clip. Yes. And the clip
started floating around that

1819
01:54:31,170 --> 01:54:33,420
people really got upset. Nobody
watches their

1820
01:54:33,450 --> 01:54:36,300
eggs. That's my point here,
right? Because the television

1821
01:54:36,300 --> 01:54:39,060
interview no one will give a
crap oh, wait a minute. Is there

1822
01:54:39,060 --> 01:54:42,660
something on YouTube? That's a
clip there's a clip. That's when

1823
01:54:42,660 --> 01:54:44,850
people saw it. That's a very
good example. In fact, that's

1824
01:54:44,850 --> 01:54:47,310
probably the one of the biggest
learning moments from this.

1825
01:54:49,439 --> 01:54:54,269
So even Mr. Snoop Dogg, I mean,
we heard Lamont King say who

1826
01:54:54,269 --> 01:54:58,769
could they call? Oh, well,
obviously they got on the phone

1827
01:54:58,769 --> 01:55:00,899
and they got a heavy hitter
touch Domino's Snoop,

1828
01:55:01,170 --> 01:55:04,320
the problem with that is, is
that when you want to play

1829
01:55:04,320 --> 01:55:08,790
gangster The problem is is when
the natural gangster comes in

1830
01:55:08,790 --> 01:55:14,970
the room you can roar as loud as
you want Roar, roar scary to

1831
01:55:14,970 --> 01:55:20,010
friends. The problem is when an
actual line comes in the room is

1832
01:55:20,010 --> 01:55:24,000
like yo, one of these things is
not like the other his. Your

1833
01:55:24,000 --> 01:55:27,330
claws don't look like his claws.
And that's exactly what happened

1834
01:55:27,360 --> 01:55:34,140
because apparently I had no
idea. Gayle King rose deep.

1835
01:55:36,420 --> 01:55:42,690
Gayle King, Rose deep, because
Susan Rice. Yes, yes. Susan

1836
01:55:42,690 --> 01:55:47,250
Rice. You heard me correct. Yes.
That Susan Rice, former national

1837
01:55:47,250 --> 01:55:51,510
security adviser to the Obama
administration. Yes. Susan Rice

1838
01:55:51,870 --> 01:55:56,910
hits up to dog a tweet at him
talking about yo, that was mad

1839
01:55:56,910 --> 01:56:02,430
disrespectful. You need to back
off, because Gail apparently has

1840
01:56:02,430 --> 01:56:06,210
an army behind her. And if you
want to you want to play this

1841
01:56:06,210 --> 01:56:08,940
game. You're going to lose and
it won't be pretty.

1842
01:56:12,540 --> 01:56:13,260
Wow.

1843
01:56:13,979 --> 01:56:19,439
So did you see here are her
actual tweet? No. Okay, so Susan

1844
01:56:19,439 --> 01:56:22,949
Rice, her actual tweet, I'm
gonna read you word for word.

1845
01:56:23,219 --> 01:56:27,149
She says this is despicable.
Gayle King is one of the most

1846
01:56:27,149 --> 01:56:31,499
principled fair and top
journalists alive, slew back the

1847
01:56:31,499 --> 01:56:36,809
eff off. And she spelled it out
where she put for actress there.

1848
01:56:37,199 --> 01:56:41,189
They say you come for Gayle
King, you come against an army.

1849
01:56:42,839 --> 01:56:45,059
You will lose and it won't be
pretty.

1850
01:56:45,480 --> 01:56:48,540
That's the Blue Lace and showing
their teeth.

1851
01:56:51,450 --> 01:56:55,140
You come against the army. I
mean, like, that's how more of a

1852
01:56:55,140 --> 01:57:01,290
threat than what Snoop said to
Gale. Army. Yeah, yeah, you will

1853
01:57:01,290 --> 01:57:07,170
lose and it won't be pretty. You
see wanna say and that's what

1854
01:57:07,170 --> 01:57:10,920
Lamont King was saying. Who can
we get on the phone? It got to

1855
01:57:10,920 --> 01:57:11,970
be somebody senior

1856
01:57:12,000 --> 01:57:14,640
there. Well, that was the one
that certainly that's a good

1857
01:57:14,640 --> 01:57:14,970
one.

1858
01:57:16,890 --> 01:57:19,680
And the other thing is, is who
she who is she speaking for? I

1859
01:57:19,680 --> 01:57:24,810
mean, we know her connections.
But well, I mean, that's that's,

1860
01:57:25,260 --> 01:57:31,020
yeah. The Boulais has reared his
head. And that goes to show you

1861
01:57:31,020 --> 01:57:33,780
that when you have to show that
kind of power, you really don't

1862
01:57:33,780 --> 01:57:34,470
have power.

1863
01:57:35,220 --> 01:57:38,820
Not if you have to do it that
way. No, I agree. Unless you're

1864
01:57:38,820 --> 01:57:40,800
Toronto, but then you do it in a
funny way.

1865
01:57:41,730 --> 01:57:44,820
Yeah. And then what Snoop got
the message because he came out

1866
01:57:44,820 --> 01:57:50,760
with like, I'm nonviolent. They
would apologize without

1867
01:57:50,760 --> 01:57:53,730
apologize. He was I'm not. I
didn't mean

1868
01:57:54,540 --> 01:57:57,990
wait a minute. Wait a minute. He
backpedaled Yeah,

1869
01:57:57,990 --> 01:57:59,040
and here's the clip.

1870
01:58:01,109 --> 01:58:04,349
Is Big Snoop Dogg. Here's a
message for people that need to

1871
01:58:04,349 --> 01:58:10,319
know. I'm a non violent person.
When I said what I said, I spoke

1872
01:58:10,319 --> 01:58:13,349
for the people felt like Gail
was very disrespectful towards

1873
01:58:13,349 --> 01:58:17,339
Kobe Bryant and his family. Now
with that being said, what I

1874
01:58:17,339 --> 01:58:20,339
look like when some harm to come
to a 70 year old woman I was

1875
01:58:20,339 --> 01:58:23,249
raised way better than that. I
don't want no harm to come to

1876
01:58:23,249 --> 01:58:26,339
her and didn't threaten her. All
I did was said, check it out.

1877
01:58:26,669 --> 01:58:29,309
You out of pocket for what
you're doing. And we watching

1878
01:58:29,309 --> 01:58:33,569
you have a little bit more
respect for Vanessa, our babies

1879
01:58:33,569 --> 01:58:39,689
and Kobe Bryant's legs. Yeah,
but anyway, I'm gonna do what I

1880
01:58:39,689 --> 01:58:43,199
gotta keep doing. Y'all keep
doing what you're doing. We're

1881
01:58:43,199 --> 01:58:46,199
very non violent. We just want
to say that first and foremost.

1882
01:58:46,799 --> 01:58:52,319
We speak from the heart. Some of
you who have no heart, don't

1883
01:58:52,319 --> 01:58:55,649
understand that. But anyway,
carry on. And enjoy your day.

1884
01:58:57,749 --> 01:58:59,639
That's it. That's it.

1885
01:59:01,319 --> 01:59:07,049
Oh, man. All right. Well, yeah.
He accentuated that. He's

1886
01:59:07,049 --> 01:59:08,309
nonviolent. Got it.

1887
01:59:10,020 --> 01:59:13,170
And the funny thing is, I never
took when I heard his clip, I

1888
01:59:13,170 --> 01:59:17,550
never took it. I took it as
being very disrespectful. Maybe

1889
01:59:17,550 --> 01:59:21,900
justify, but very disrespectful.
But I never take advice by or

1890
01:59:21,930 --> 01:59:23,100
threatened. Well, you're

1891
01:59:23,100 --> 01:59:25,740
right. And and I think it was
probably good that he that he

1892
01:59:25,740 --> 01:59:28,470
said that because you know,
Oprah is the one who immediately

1893
01:59:28,470 --> 01:59:30,480
went well, it's not. You know,
it's other people. They hear

1894
01:59:30,480 --> 01:59:33,870
that and they go crazy in a
deathmatch. RERA. So he, he did

1895
01:59:33,870 --> 01:59:36,450
the I think the right thing to
defuse wherever, whatever he

1896
01:59:36,450 --> 01:59:40,890
could, but it's fucking
twittered, say Instagram. Ah,

1897
01:59:43,560 --> 01:59:45,810
it's such a breeding ground.

1898
01:59:46,740 --> 01:59:52,860
But the bigger story is it is
the good and the bad, because

1899
01:59:52,860 --> 01:59:56,340
without it, the Boulais was
still held.

1900
01:59:57,060 --> 01:59:59,580
Oh, yeah, absolutely.
Absolutely.

1901
01:59:59,580 --> 02:00:02,460
So you have to take the good
with the bad. It's like, in

1902
02:00:02,460 --> 02:00:02,730
fact,

1903
02:00:02,729 --> 02:00:05,879
I think Snoop has the upper hand
on this because it's his

1904
02:00:05,879 --> 02:00:11,909
platform people, people.
Instagram is his platform. And

1905
02:00:11,909 --> 02:00:14,159
they don't play. They don't play
on that field. They just don't

1906
02:00:14,159 --> 02:00:14,519
play.

1907
02:00:15,450 --> 02:00:20,580
They haven't mastered it yet.
And I don't think I think they

1908
02:00:20,580 --> 02:00:24,120
really let the ball get away
from Yeah, with the internet and

1909
02:00:24,120 --> 02:00:30,420
social media. Because they never
saw. It'll take them forever to

1910
02:00:30,420 --> 02:00:33,390
be able to get plants. And have
you heard that term before?

1911
02:00:33,390 --> 02:00:38,730
Plants? Right? Sure. I'm sure I
mean, but like current traders,

1912
02:00:39,270 --> 02:00:44,130
yeah. With what is often used
with in the music industry now,

1913
02:00:44,190 --> 02:00:48,060
where people are really on the
record label, but they make them

1914
02:00:48,060 --> 02:00:50,760
seem like indie artists, and
then they grow moment and bring

1915
02:00:50,760 --> 02:00:55,290
them out. And they're like, oh,
yeah, that's a no. Well, that's

1916
02:00:56,609 --> 02:00:59,489
that's what the music that's
what the music business does.

1917
02:00:59,489 --> 02:01:03,419
And by the way, I think, Billy
Eilish is is a very good example

1918
02:01:03,419 --> 02:01:10,049
of that. You know, that brother
of hers that someone's a genius,

1919
02:01:10,049 --> 02:01:11,579
I think it's him, but he's not
her.

1920
02:01:12,779 --> 02:01:16,859
Right? So I don't think the
Boulais has got their legs up on

1921
02:01:16,859 --> 02:01:23,039
the new crate plants that will
have the the, because

1922
02:01:23,040 --> 02:01:26,520
you can't fool the people. You
can't fool people. This is a

1923
02:01:26,520 --> 02:01:31,200
different medium. You can fool
people on television. I built my

1924
02:01:31,200 --> 02:01:33,720
career in fooling people. It's
all dishonest. And the

1925
02:01:33,720 --> 02:01:38,700
television is inherently
dishonest. And Instagram is a

1926
02:01:38,700 --> 02:01:41,730
whole new ballgame. It's it's
not something you can just

1927
02:01:41,730 --> 02:01:44,940
transition say, oh, because I
got a great camera. It's

1928
02:01:44,940 --> 02:01:47,310
different. None. It's a whole
different way of communicating.

1929
02:01:47,310 --> 02:01:49,290
So they can't they don't
understand.

1930
02:01:50,700 --> 02:01:54,450
Not yet. And let's just pray
that we take them out before.

1931
02:01:55,200 --> 02:01:59,430
I'm a non violent person. I'm a
non violent person. I say take

1932
02:01:59,430 --> 02:02:00,780
them out. No, no,

1933
02:02:00,779 --> 02:02:03,629
I'm starting to. I'm starting to
question who's the plant here?

1934
02:02:06,179 --> 02:02:06,659
No,

1935
02:02:07,859 --> 02:02:10,409
that's a take them out. They
never let Oh, you know, most

1936
02:02:10,409 --> 02:02:12,209
trying to incite violence. Yeah,
no,

1937
02:02:12,210 --> 02:02:15,180
we can't have that. No, we can't
have that. Yeah. No. But when I

1938
02:02:15,180 --> 02:02:15,420
mean,

1939
02:02:15,420 --> 02:02:19,770
take them out, is take them out
of power. Yeah. Because they

1940
02:02:19,800 --> 02:02:25,290
what they're trying to do. And
listen to the final clip. Mr.

1941
02:02:25,290 --> 02:02:28,800
Gary Owens. He's a comedian,
white comedian, but he plays a

1942
02:02:28,800 --> 02:02:33,120
majority of black crowds or
mixed crowds. That's how he

1943
02:02:33,120 --> 02:02:38,010
came, you know, came up in the
game. He was the quote unquote,

1944
02:02:38,010 --> 02:02:42,030
white comedian in the black
clubs. But he made a point. It

1945
02:02:42,030 --> 02:02:45,420
was not funny. But he
highlighted a point and I was

1946
02:02:45,420 --> 02:02:51,270
like, wow, I mean, like, the way
he said it was spot on

1947
02:02:51,480 --> 02:02:55,980
you. Hey, has anybody else
noticed? This past week and a

1948
02:02:55,980 --> 02:03:00,720
half? What's going on in the
world is shifting energy. I felt

1949
02:03:00,720 --> 02:03:04,410
it between lemon and Taysom.
Since Kobe passed away between

1950
02:03:04,440 --> 02:03:11,190
Ari Shaffir and Gayle King, I
just want people to realize what

1951
02:03:11,190 --> 02:03:15,960
can happen when black people
really come together? Because

1952
02:03:15,960 --> 02:03:18,990
black he was like, Look, you
ain't talking about Kobe, you in

1953
02:03:18,990 --> 02:03:22,680
talking about our hero. Kobe is
a worldwide hero, Italian,

1954
02:03:23,250 --> 02:03:28,320
China. White, Black, Latino,
definitely hero, but it's extra.

1955
02:03:29,100 --> 02:03:32,040
Because he's a black guy. So
Black feels like you ain't you

1956
02:03:32,040 --> 02:03:35,460
ain't talking about our black
hero. I just want people to

1957
02:03:35,460 --> 02:03:41,250
realize how powerful I will and
this come from white dude. How

1958
02:03:41,250 --> 02:03:45,990
powerful black people are when
they come together?

1959
02:03:47,130 --> 02:03:53,790
Yes. Particularly in political
circumstances. Mm hmm.

1960
02:03:55,979 --> 02:03:59,459
So you gotta gotta talk about
oh, he's a great dad and you got

1961
02:03:59,459 --> 02:04:02,819
women talk. One of the good
things came out in the girl dad,

1962
02:04:02,819 --> 02:04:07,739
I know we kind of poopoo that.
But a lot of women of all color

1963
02:04:07,739 --> 02:04:11,909
we were started saying oh, how
important dads were Yes. And

1964
02:04:11,909 --> 02:04:15,029
they were like, No, we can't
have that. You know? This guy's

1965
02:04:16,559 --> 02:04:21,179
being a lightning rod for Dad
appreciation and, and I honestly

1966
02:04:21,179 --> 02:04:27,629
believe the whole Gale thing was
a counter move to the girl dad

1967
02:04:27,629 --> 02:04:31,499
thing because they tried to co
op it. But it had it had a whole

1968
02:04:31,499 --> 02:04:33,899
nother effect, even with another
fact that the

1969
02:04:33,899 --> 02:04:37,169
Oh, because it was resurging.
You mean so because it became so

1970
02:04:37,199 --> 02:04:41,069
I see what you're saying. Even
though this is a long gone

1971
02:04:41,069 --> 02:04:45,719
thing. It was super popular at
the time. And so this would be a

1972
02:04:45,749 --> 02:04:49,889
rekindling. And well we can't
have that we get a black man a

1973
02:04:49,889 --> 02:04:51,299
good father but two women.

1974
02:04:53,430 --> 02:04:56,400
And then black women coming out
saying about how their dads were

1975
02:04:56,400 --> 02:04:58,110
good to them. No, no.

1976
02:04:59,399 --> 02:05:03,569
Oh, thanks. guard, this is not
possible we can have that. Black

1977
02:05:03,569 --> 02:05:13,319
man Pat black man bed, this is
what it is. And holy crap. I'm a

1978
02:05:13,319 --> 02:05:14,729
little out of breath from this
one.

1979
02:05:18,390 --> 02:05:19,890
I don't know if it's a good or
bad thing. But

1980
02:05:20,520 --> 02:05:23,190
no, it is a good thing. And
well, first of all, it's a great

1981
02:05:23,190 --> 02:05:26,610
thing because I know that my
wife is going to listen to this

1982
02:05:26,610 --> 02:05:28,710
front to back because she's
like, Oh, I know, she'll know

1983
02:05:28,710 --> 02:05:32,880
she'll love this. And the big
eye opener for me as always,

1984
02:05:32,880 --> 02:05:40,140
because it's obviously not on my
radar. Is this targeting this

1985
02:05:40,140 --> 02:05:46,920
specific targeting by Oprah and
Gayle for years of black men for

1986
02:05:46,920 --> 02:05:51,120
horrible crimes and the and
that's one thing or accusations,

1987
02:05:51,600 --> 02:05:56,340
letting White men off and
they're all powerful. You know,

1988
02:05:56,340 --> 02:06:00,780
Kobe Bryant is near the NBA,
it's there's power in there. But

1989
02:06:00,780 --> 02:06:03,720
look at who they're letting off
and forth. And for what

1990
02:06:04,320 --> 02:06:07,980
magnitude or amplification of
the types of things they're

1991
02:06:07,980 --> 02:06:14,460
accusing others of. Wow. Well,
that's fucked up. It everyone

1992
02:06:14,460 --> 02:06:19,380
wants to love Oprah. Mo, thanks.
It's, it's over. Now.

1993
02:06:20,340 --> 02:06:22,560
I don't write the news. I just
record it.

1994
02:06:24,029 --> 02:06:26,639
So what what we didn't really
discuss is that we were going to

1995
02:06:26,639 --> 02:06:31,799
do a potluck special for this
2015 episode. But of course,

1996
02:06:31,799 --> 02:06:35,489
this came up and I'm very glad
that we did a pivot here to do

1997
02:06:35,489 --> 02:06:38,399
this. Because I think again,
this is something that is

1998
02:06:38,399 --> 02:06:41,909
fantastic for people to hear and
to learn about. And I know

1999
02:06:41,909 --> 02:06:44,789
they'll take it seriously when
when Moe does this and we roll

2000
02:06:44,789 --> 02:06:47,129
it out like that, you know, it's
not just going to be a dumb show

2001
02:06:47,129 --> 02:06:52,409
business story. So it's, it's
appreciated. Which means we will

2002
02:06:52,409 --> 02:06:57,059
be thanking people probably in
the next episode, as I guess

2003
02:06:57,059 --> 02:06:59,939
we'll have the potluck unless
something else crops up. I mean,

2004
02:07:00,209 --> 02:07:01,229
whatever if at

2005
02:07:01,230 --> 02:07:05,790
all right? for it, but this was
positive in a potluck segment.

2006
02:07:06,240 --> 02:07:11,640
But the story can't understand,
and it was like, I can't

2007
02:07:13,560 --> 02:07:16,020
You can't just do it in 10
minutes now I understand.

2008
02:07:16,500 --> 02:07:20,790
So um, well, we went to a whole
show and not thought people

2009
02:07:20,790 --> 02:07:25,650
would appreciate it and yeah, so
what I always do pay attention

2010
02:07:25,650 --> 02:07:29,310
to everything and the truth
revealed itself and please

2011
02:07:29,310 --> 02:07:34,080
feel free to go to moe facts.com
or mo fund me.com to support the

2012
02:07:34,080 --> 02:07:38,220
work that you hear. It should be
bringing you value and we just

2013
02:07:38,220 --> 02:07:41,160
like to see you return some of
that in kind and we'll talk to

2014
02:07:41,160 --> 02:07:43,710
you next time right here on mo
facts with Adam curry.

2015
02:07:44,220 --> 02:07:49,290
Oh no, wait, you do work one
morning down the path alone sat

2016
02:07:49,290 --> 02:07:57,810
at the lake Tinder a woman so
poor half frozen snake his

2017
02:07:57,810 --> 02:08:05,820
pretty colored skin had been all
froze data when she cried out

2018
02:08:05,820 --> 02:08:15,120
take you out take care of you.
Take me in there. Me and him and

2019
02:08:15,120 --> 02:08:19,230
say take me into their home oh
man

2020
02:08:25,950 --> 02:08:33,270
up all cozy in a cup of butter
on sale. And man by the fire

2021
02:08:33,270 --> 02:08:40,050
cider with some honey and some
milk. Take me a man or a woman.

2022
02:08:40,560 --> 02:08:51,480
Take me here for heaven's sake.
Tinder the slave mistake me in

2023
02:08:54,000 --> 02:09:05,730
making him or heaven say sake
take me. A woman the snake the

2024
02:09:05,730 --> 02:09:06,630
snake

