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episode number 43 Cash rules everything around me. The
money's Dolla dolla Bill y'all. Yes, here he is our very own
Dolla dolla Bill y'all. Hey mo How you doing?
I'm doing good Adam, how about yourself?
Fantastic man I love this track. This is really good. Wu Tang
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it. Well, apologies everybody it's been we've had a bit of an
absence since episode 42 I will take first responsibility since
I decided to pass on my bride away for her birthday. We went
to Rona central in Florida, I came back and we're still alive.
And, and Moe, you're new. We're still kind of moving. We want to
get back on track for Saturday. And I don't know it's like Mo.
All kinds of people showing up at the house.
Oh, my end. Okay, so it's twice your fault, Adam. Adam was mine.
Okay, let's give credit. Let's give credit where credit's due.
All right. So you went on vacation? Yes, I may use the you
kicked me down a rabbit hole.
Right. Okay. I'm sorry. In that case, yes, indeed. It is my
Saturday I get up, Bobby. I got the coffee going. I was saying
get my clear list already. And I hear well, I don't actually hear
a knock at the door. My daughter come downstairs said Hey, Dad,
there's somebody at the door which that's rare around these
parts. ADT guy. He shows up, unbeknownst to anybody is like,
Hey, I'm here to put your security system. Man. We've been
waiting for two weeks. I'm like, Ah, and it's one of the guys.
You can't
you can't you can't send them away at that point. I mean, you
gotta Yeah,
I would have to leave with him. Because we don't have security
here. And you know, whatever, whatever.
He can eat a lot of coffee for sit and watch for the next 24
hours.
Right. So then he was I caught him at the dorm. Like, I want
cameras here, here and here. And I'm trying to go back downstairs
every second. He was like, Sorry, do you know this feature?
Do you know that feature? I'm like, come on. Man. We just ran
out of time.
It doesn't all work. Is it all hooked up? And is it all
installed? Now? Are you safe? Is the family say yes. Okay.
I feel safe. I can see all 360 degrees and my property and
nice. I feel quite safe.
Excellent. Well, we we of course committed to each other. We're
really going to try and keep a Saturday schedule. Now as things
are starting to shake out. And Moe actually has a day job that
he's kind of figured into his schedule. So we should be we
should be good for our Saturdays from now on God willing. You
never know life does get in the way from time to time. How about
I
cannot say one thing, please for before you do. The reason why I
had to stay on schedule now is because of my newest biggest
fan. Even before the show, I was his biggest fan. My uncle
Richard. Oh, okay. He is now he is now. Yeah, he isn't. I found
out he's a listener. So he's like, he's like when you're
dropping. We're dropping.
Uncle Richard. Nice. Well, at least we know we have one fan.
That's good. I know. We got a lot of producers out there but
actual fans. Alright. This is a big deal. All right. Well, I'm
going to see what we got on the old. We'll have topics. Man,
there's so much but we know it's somewhere located near a rabbit
hole. So as we see it go round and round. Where does it stop?
Nobody knows. Moe knows because today's show topic
is we are trained Marxists.
That would be Patrisse Cullors. What's your name from Black
Lives Matter? Yes.
portrays colors young black. Days, correct? Yes. Oh, by the
way, I
want to come right out to us. Yes. Go ahead. Before we start,
I just wanted to say, are we going to talk about Kanye today
at any point?
No, okay. We can't. We can't even Kanye. He needs his
episode. He had one episode already.
Exactly. Exactly. All right. I'm sorry. I didn't mean
to call your rabbit hole. No, no, you're right. It's that's
the major. That's a major major.
It's flat. It's a slag topic. It's on the way. There will be
plenty of time. No doubt.
Yes, we have to talk about the Patrisse Cullors. And her
mission that we all have speculated pointed to, but she
just came right out and said it that they're trained Marxists.
Yes. Yes. That was pretty good.
So as you always know, I want to go back and listen to the whole
interview that that snippet came from. Yep. And that is Warren
Mr. Jared a ball and it's time I know an interest interesting
interview with Black Lives Matter co founder, Patrisse,
Cullors
Supertrees. For those who may have just been introduced to you
in a most direct way at the Netroots conference,
intervention you conducted, please help them in us see past
what appears, from my point of view to have been a tremendous
amount of appropriation and suppression of you, and bull and
Alicia as founders, and the particular brand of radical
black gender and sexuality politics you all work with. So
if you would please summarize for us how you see the origins,
politics, and purpose of Black Lives Matter.
Wow. So I kind of remember there was a disruption at the net
roots, which is a political thing, isn't it? Net roots? Yes,
yes, I seem to recall this.
It was pretty much they were trying to be co opted. As you
know, with any organization, they usually take the leaders
out or replace the leaders. So as Jared said, they were being
suppressed and were appropriated. And then he also
said, a radical brand, a black gender, Oh, yes. Sexuality
politics,
which to me sounded like, wait a minute, do we have more lesbian
black women on the scene again, because this is I've seen this.
Yes. And and we're really going to get to what Black Lives
Matter is about. And I want to say this, I know I tried to run
with the term Black Lives Matter, Inc. Yeah, differentiate
between the organization and the people on the ground. But I
think I'm gonna shorten it up just to black ink. And black ink
is pretty much going to be anything that's done as far as
business that can be the Al sharpnose of the world, the
Jesse Jackson's the black law matters. And we'll be just nice,
short and sweet blogging.
I like it. I like it. I'm actually going to see if I can
find the domain name. Continue playing along.
Alright, so to further flesh out this radical Brando, black,
gender and sexuality, politics. And clip number three, they go
on to talk about black men?
I think that's a great question. And the first place I'll go is
the origins come from a deep place of black love and black
rage. Both at least Yeah, myself and Opal feeling the impact of
George Zimmerman being acquitted of Trayvon Martin's murder, what
that actually meant for our society, what that meant for
this country to allow for this light skinned, white passing man
to kill a young boy and get away with it, we knew this was going
to have consequences far greater than that current moment. And so
black lives matter was a call for all black lives. And it was
important for us, as black women as and two of which are queer,
was to actually talk about the totality of black life, and that
black sis men are not the sum of black people, but rather, all
black life being the totality of black people. Whether that's
black trans folk, whether that's black folks who've been
incarcerated, whether that's black folks who are currently
incarcerated black folks with disabilities, we want it to call
a new black liberation movement that centered those most at the
margin as a part of a political frame to challenge the current
system that we live in.
Well, Mo sounds to me like you're out. You're on the outs
there, man. You don't don't count.
I am not surprised. I was never surprised because as she said, I
mean a lot this clip. There's a lot to unpack. First of all the
origin that she said it comes out of black love and black
rage. Yeah, black rage towards who is a question that we need
to ask. Because that's to crew women. And she also said, I'm
sure there's some black rage aimed at Black men black
cisgendered men to be specific. She also says about a lack light
skinned white passing man, or she referred to George
Zimmerman. Because as we all know, George Zimmerman will be
actually classified as Hispanic Latinx but better excuse me. So
um, this light skinned white passing man. We've talked about
passing on his show and then she rounds out the clip with Black
says men are not the sum of black people. Yeah. Even though
they use black sis men, in majority to push their call sort
what this says I've been saying And we are being used. We're a
political football. Mmm, yep. To kick open and what they realized
is what all other groups have realized about black people.
They said, Okay, we can use black men to kick open the door
and leave black men holding the door while we rush.
everybody rushes in. Yeah, exactly.
So, um, are you surprised at
this? You know, as well, we, of course, we've done some work on
Black Lives Matter. And I've researched it quite a bit
myself. And to hear that there's a strong anti man element in it
now is not surprising at all. It's, it's part of the
problematic patriarchy. In this case, it's specifically sliced
and diced. And, yeah, it seems like a repetition of what we've
been talking about for almost, by the way, July 31. Is our one
year anniversary. So yeah, it's, I mean, am I surprised? No, but
that's because I've been around for almost a year.
And what I wanted people to realize is I've said this a
couple times. One is we brought up this term heteronormative.
Yeah. Patriarchy. Yeah. I think that's I think that's the term.
And I've also stated that there's been an article written
and one Jamel Hill supported this article, it got a lot of
support from what you call allies of Black Lives Matter,
stating that black man, all the white people
are black. Yes, exactly. We'll get
around to breaking that down eventually. But I wanted this
interview. Everybody ran with the Marxist thing. Yeah. But I
think this is more telling entry to the black community. Because
black men are the catalysts that black men being killed in the
street are the catalysts for what's going on? For everything
that's going on, but they want to say, oh, no, we'll push it to
the side. And we're talking about our gender. And I won't I
don't want to belabor the point but we talked about one other
shows that they brought out climate change and it's kind of
weird. What it is it's exclusionary it's all she
literally said it she said all lives matter. But you know, we
really need to focus on anything But sis black men. That's That's
what she said. You can't deny it. Yes, good with the problem.
I started with a with a white Hello, hello. With a white
people black.
Why do you think why do you think we've joined in together
on this show, man, it's like white, white men are the even
bigger problem. So yeah, it makes sense.
And I'll say this, I'll say this in closing, and we can go to the
next clip. But they're putting black sis men in a very
paintless into a corner because now you're making us choose
between being, quote unquote, black, or being a quote unquote,
man. Yeah. And that's not a decision you really don't want
us to make? No, just just being honest. So um, wait,
wait a minute. Wait a minute. Yes. Which to me means if you
really had to choose gun to your head, you choose for being a
man? Yes, I had to choose me at first, I would have expected
nothing else from me, actually. So yeah.
Because that's more of my identity. I mean, if you want to
get into identities, that's a bigger part of my identities
course and blackness.
Yes. Well, this is so this I know, because, you know, we hang
out.
Right? So, um, I guess we can get right into Marx's
bow, do you respond to that particular critique, again, a
loving critique from an elder of the struggle that some others
share that I've even shared as well, to be frank is a concern
about in part because of the CO optation and the appropriation,
that more clear ideological structuring might be of some
value here. But how do you respond to to those kinds of
getting loving criticisms?
I think that the criticism is helpful. I also think that it
might. I think, a lot of things. The first thing I think, is that
we actually do have ideological frame, myself, and Alicia, in
particular, are trained organizers. We are trained
Marxists. We are super versed on sort of ideological theories.
And I think that what we really try to do is build a movement
that could be utilized by many, many black folk. We don't
necessarily want to be the vanguard of this movement. I
think we've tried to put out a political frame. That's about
centering who we think are the most vulnerable amongst the
black community to really fight for all of our lives.
Kind of kicking myself because of course I was one of those
dope She just got the Marxist comment for the no agenda show
and left it at that. But you're right. There's a lot in his.
This is deep. I'm really glad you did that. We've trained you
well on the no agenda show.
So this other setup is Jared. Jared asks, Patrice about critic
Sam Black Lives Matters, lacks structure or a plan. So she, I
think she was irked by that because one jarred himself being
a man I was questioning, questioning her and then it was
an elder that hall so he framed the question that had brought up
the point and he agree with the point, right, so I think she was
hurt. And by being hurt, she let the truth come out. To say that
we're train one train organizers. And when I hit the
word organizer, I think community organizer, and I think
no, not Umberto. Right. So you here trying to organize
ourselves? Okay, so my ears perked up, and then she drops
the hammer. She said, we're trained. She's, no.
That's a very good analysis. I think you're right. She just
needed to she was like, Who do you think I am? And that's your
right. And she let it slip out and says, Excuse me, just so you
know, I'm not some dipshit who just stood up here. I'm a train
train Marxist. Yeah. Yeah, you're right. Like a
revolutionary like, don't mess with me.
She used the word. She said. We're super versed. Yeah, super
first. So she's a super. So she's a super train Marx's super
first. Are we I'm not surprised, though. Because if you saw that
was me breaking down the waves, right? The first wave are Marx's
tactics. Yep. And then you use the second wave, a proper arm,
excuse me of provocateurs, third wave your criminal element. And
in the fourth wave, you blank it at all, and with the good
people. So then you hide amongst the masses who did
this interview again? Who was the interviewer?
This is Jared a ball from the Mix What I Like, I guess
podcasts are show. So Well, I was a great font for him.
I would guess I would hope that he that his follow up question
was, where did you receive your train your marks his training
and who trained you? And could you give me a little details on
that? I'm sure that was a question, wasn't it?
No, it wasn't I will say this about Jared. Jared seems to be
very left leaning. I don't want to taint cast anything upon him.
But he seems me He's big. He's as my major and colonialism.
He's a professor, so on black history and things of that
nature. So I think he understood what she was saying it was nice.
What's understood doesn't have to be a splaying kind of
situation. Okay. All right. So to set up this next clip, she
portrays goes on to define black and black lives matter.
One last question, if I could real quick, there has been some
controversy in some circles over the definition of black. Could
you say a word or two about how you can see the term black and
what you mean, when you say black lives matter.
Black to me is both about a race that's been constructed, but
it's also a political statement. It's a political framework. And
I think it's important, as we're building out this movement for
black liberation, that we in the Black Lives Matter movement,
allow for necessary debate, to come up around how we use the
term and who's using a term and when it's used, and why it's a
it's an important point to sort of build people together. And I
think it's specifically important when it comes to how
the US is very clever at turning other groups. White, right, and
making them white. And we've seen that throughout history
when groups are not white. And when the white power structure
was threatened, they figured out a way to make groups white. And
I think as we move forward, we have to figure out political
alignments that hold blackness as a as a broader framework than
just sort of the skin we're in but as a political statement.
I'm curious what groups she's talking about, because a lot of
the groups that we've discussed in the past started out with
white leadership, including historically black colleges and
NAACP, what groups is she referring to?
When you say groups? I mean, can you can you clarify what you
mean
organizations? NAACP are the groups where she talks about
uprisings and like Black Panther.
I'm not sure. Oh, I think what she says so she says, Okay, it's
come with me. She says there one She blames America for making
other people white. When it's when it's convenient, correct.
Well made that statement. Well,
she said that, you know, we have groups and then the US he said
is great at turning them white or making them white.
I got I got I got it. I got it. No, no watch what she's
referring to is how the Irish was the Irish in the name room,
a white, Hispanic white god.
Oh, all right. I'm glad we figured that one out.
We were hearing it two different ways. Yeah. That was kind
of cool. Actually like that. Yeah, that was cool. Okay,
so how I heard it was when the non white people quote unquote,
white people numbers are low. They'll ingrain in graph. I
mean, but the other group, but that's basically me. That's
the system of white supremacy that was started over in Europe.
That was I've learned so much. Oh, teach. I want to start on my
forehead. Yes. Okay. That is true. That is truly the that
capturing that way is what we've defined as true white supremacy.
And the point I want to make is she just did this a clip
previous two clips prior with George Zimmerman, because she
made him
bam, okay, I got it now. All right.
All right. And here's the conflict. And this is why I have
to use black ink. Because unbeknownst to me, Oh, I thought
Black was talking about my lineage. But little did I know,
it was also a political statement. I would know. walkie
talkie political state
sandwich guy, you know, hanging? He got the sandwich boards on
the front in the back. Wow. All
right. So this is why we have to use this term from 43. Own.
We're talking about black we have to talk about black ink.
Yep. Because black ink is the political statement, which they
are monetizing. Yes, or political and monetary gain,
right? Yes, she says who can use the term? So basically, it's a
licensing agreement
we're determining we're going to use well and you know that but
no, that may not be far off. I'm sure that you can't just be
using black lives matter and I'm sure that's all licensed they
got that down man they had that I mean, I found out they had
that locked up and 2015 that it also showed up the legalese
everything for all the trademarks you name it
but they're talking about black Excel Oh, this is why we saw all
these millions and millions of dollars pouring in for
corporations to be like we need to be black affiliated right so
it's kind of like he the high efficient on your on your guy
like all your all your brands are black friendly. So that's
that's the money you saw. And she and finally she said she
blacks as broader framework than skin. She said blacks as a
broader framework than the skin we're in. Yes. So now they've
just got to graft in who they want to to be black.
Yeah, yeah. That That, by the way, is the work of a train
Marxist. That kind of wording is good man that now she's good at
it. She's good, give her big props for that.
So we have the burqa black ink. So now we have to go back and
say what is Marxism and who is Karl Marx.
Marx was born in 1818 interior in Germany. Soon he became
involved with the Communist Party, a tiny group of
intellectuals advocating for the overthrow of the class system,
and the abolition of private property. He worked as a
journalist and had to flee Germany, eventually settling in
London. Marx wrote an enormous number of books and articles,
sometimes with his friend Friedrich Engels, mostly Marx
wrote about capitalism, the type of economy that dominates the
Western world. It was in his day still getting going. And Marx
was one of its most intelligent and perceptive critics. These
were some of the problems he identified with it. Modern work
is alienated. One of Marx's greatest insights is that work
can be one of the sources of our greatest joys. But in order to
be fulfilled at work, Marx wrote that workers need to see
themselves in the objects they have created.
Nice, I bet you you've been on this case. Yeah. For a while
now, but I bet you didn't realize it. You want me you want
to know what it is please? No two boys a Marxist. Oh, yeah. He
just said what he just said I need to recognize myself in my
word. Yes. Yeah. It That's exactly what he was saying. He
was saying, I know you don't want me to make the noodles this
way, but I need to recognize
the noodles in the news. I don't see myself and
that's best pure marks is taught. So I don't want to take
your noodle gun from you because that's the no agenda thing. So I
came up with my own thing is called the castle cannon
the castle and I love it. I love it. I love it that is gonna be
here that thing again. Nice, cancel cannon. Excellent.
Excellent.
So we're seeing these the intersectionality to use the
language of new to boy, Black Lives Matter. They're all saying
we want to take ownership and control. The you know, the
organization?
Yes. And we want to control production, which is where
socialism and communism come in.
Right. And this is I just wanted to point that out because I was
like, wow, like, cuz they didn't dawn on me. It was like,
notable, I thought he was just complaining. And like, you know,
it was like more of I don't want to get into the generational
war. But more like a millennial just complaining about, you
know, why do we have to do it this way. But this is ironclad
Marxism that he was kicking out.
Well, especially in light of how Patrisse Cullors was talking
about, you know, it being more than just the skin goes beyond
the skin become part of something else. And that would
be the work, I guess.
Yes, this is the work.
Just as an aside, because I've done a lot on Karl Marx and his
name was mentioned in that first clip Richard angles. The
thinking for me goes that marks here. He was a journalist, he
was really kind of like a blogger of his age. And I
believe it was a lot of Richard angles or angles, actually, that
had a lot of the ideas. And Karl Marx blogged about it. And he
got most of the credit doesn't really matter because Marxism
remains the same, the same thing.
Yeah, my angel ism doesn't have the ring to it. At all,
absolutely. It's all about the branding. Of course, in the day,
why do
you think I'm the pod father and Dave Winer hates me, man, it's
obvious,
right? It's all about branding. So I guess we can get deeper
into who Karl Marx was with a clip seven.
Part of the problem is that modern work is incredibly
specialized, specialized jobs make the modern economy highly
efficient. But they also mean that it's seldom possible for
any one worker to derive a sense of the genuine contribution they
might be making to the real needs of humanity. Marx argued
that modern work leads to alienation and finding, in other
words, a feeling of disconnection between what you
do all day, and who you feel you really are, and what you think
you'd ideally be able to contribute to existence. Modern
work is insecure. Capitalism makes the human being utterly
expendable. Just one factor among others in the forces of
production, and one that can ruthlessly be let go, the minute
costs rise, or savings can be made through technology. And
yet, as Marx knew deep inside each of us, we don't want to be
arbitrarily let go with terrified of being abandoned.
Communism isn't just an economic theory, understood Emotionally,
it expresses a deep seated longing that we always have a
place in the world's heart that we will not be cast out.
Yes, a lot to unpack there. One, I think a lot of these people to
get sucked into Marxism is because they don't have the
family there, right? I mean, that's where you really find
your identity and your family and that kind of thing. So if
your whole life is dedicated to your job, you're saying to your
job, I need you to appreciate me I can't let you cut me off
easily. So I think that's why we're starting to see this pivot
back to Karl Marx communism socialism in there it's all it's
all I'm saying malmark is on the same road. I mean, in my
opinion,
yeah. And the lack of a father may is probably just as you
know, forget just family just like a man about the house.
So maybe that's why they're number one target is the man I
mean, it just becomes cyclical right? It just seems itself
feeding Yep. Now I will say I do myself have capitalism is the
best system I don't think we're in a capitalistic society
anymore. I think it's more corporatist are some people even
say, what is it what's the tyranny like the US technocratic
yet tech society? Yeah, that's another good one. So but um,
Henry Ford, just as a small aside, Henry Ford, had realized
this issue that profit sharing right you have this you have
this share that profits with the workers to keep the workers
motivated. And he had this thing called a social welfare
department. And what he would do is he would study the workers.
And he would give him, he came up with the $5 a day, $5 per day
work day, which was unheard of 1914. He also, um, was the 40
hour workweek. So I think within capitalism, there is an
opportunity to balance out the worker and employee II
relationship. But this is what the communist slash socialist
slash marks its prey on is this rift between the worker and the
employee. And I think capitalists have to do a better
job. And that's just my quick aside. Well, and
I would add to that, I know a lot of people who still work at
the Ford Motor Company today, and that that was that culture,
of being proud of what they're doing all together is definitely
still there. I mean, they they love the cars that they build.
And you know, the stuff you see in the commercial, you know,
wherever we work here, boom. And I'm sure Chevy has the same with
the Ford Motor Company still has that absolute culture. And I
think the people that are still pretty happy, even though of
course, they're being eliminated by automation, but you know,
it's not that fast to process and there's always human
creativity needed.
well being and manufacturing myself anytime you could point
to your children as they are built that are held, right that
yeah, that is great for society in itself, because it allows
your children to have a certain respect for you. That my dad
correct something. Yeah, of course, you have any other
industries as well. But I'm just not speaking in manufacturing
terms, because that's when it was really industrial age when
this thing was really kicking up, right, with Karl Marx. So
let's wrap up, wrap up this final set of clips with
prothesis death.
This is perhaps the most obvious question that Marx had with
capitalism. In particular, he believed that capitalists shrink
the wages of the laborers as much as possible in order to
skim off a wide profit margin. He called this primitive
accumulation or springlake, to accumulate Xian, whereas
capitalists see profit as a reward for ingenuity and
technological talent. Marx was far more damning, profit is
simply theft. And what you're stealing is the talent and hard
work of your workforce. However much one dresses up the
fundamentals. Marx insists that at its crudest, capitalism means
paying a worker one price for doing something and then selling
it to somebody else at a much higher price. Profit is the
fancy term for exploitation.
For that day, I can see I can see why that made sense. I don't
think it's true anymore. I mean, that people get screwed. Yes,
but there's a Go ahead.
No, no, you're on the right path. And if you look at me just
putting on an improper context, if you're talking about black
people fresh out of slavery, and experiencing sharecropping, we
you hear this just on a surface level, it may seem appealing to
you. Yeah. But one side is like, right, you mean like the food I
do all the work?
Exactly. Take all the
profits. You basically it sometimes you leave me in debt,
a lot of times sharecroppers were left in debt. So when you
hear this alternate economic ideology, you it might seem
appealing to you, but there's only one problem
well as problems.
What I'm saying to them when the one thing they didn't realize
was the term collectivism, right, and we're gonna hear
about that from Stephen Kotkin from the Hoover Institute,
collectivization, you're going to correct me on this ties the
peasants to collective farms forces them to work on
collective farms, in effect reintroducing serfdom. Have
I got that right? Yes, that's basically the story. All right.
And you write here that Stalin in imposing collectivization and
slaved 100 million people, again, I got that right, all
right. Why, why was that necessary? Why was
collectivization of such importance to Stalin?
In the old days, people argue that it was necessary because
this is how you modernized a peasant country, right? You
modernize the peasant country through coercion. You use the
state, to force everybody to do what the state needed them to
do. And that's how you built an industrial power out of a
peasant.
Marxism Leninism and collectivization is necessary
How come so modern those terms outcome.
Marxism is about the trade sentence of capitalism.
Capitalism is evil, alienation, exploitation, war, on mass
unemployment and depressions. So the hat in order to get to a
better place in history, Marx argued, capitalism had to be
transcended the huggy alien word of Hegel.
Hmm. So here we have them basically saying communism or
Marxism is going to lead you right back to slavery. I don't
think this sharecroppers part of it, instead of you paying your
money to the crooked slave owners, you would just pay it to
the state.
Yeah. Sounds about right. Right. And
it goes from, you know, what is it? But of course,
there's the there's the illusion, the illusion is that
you know, that the state, of course, is made up by the
people, until you find out that it's really only the people who
are in the party. And that's really it's net, it's nepotism
all throughout. That's how that's how that usually works
out.
And that's the problem, because all you system are ran by
humans, and humans are self self gratifying. So at the end of the
day, you're gonna still be dealing with the same problems.
You haven't curb capitalism, like you said, nepotism,
favoritism. And all other forms of just unequal and unfair,
unfair practices when,
when, when it's appropriate in the show mode, let me know when
I can tell you about the new emergent form of autism, that
we're that we're right now that we're in right now. What kind of
an economy I think that is being formed. Just if there's a spot,
let me know. And I'll give it to you.
Okay, if not, if we get too far along, just just drop it off. So
we have talked about communism, and its relationship to civil
rights. And just to bring people up to speed. I have a throwback
clip from show 22. And this is Danny Rubin, who was a major
figure in the Communist Party. He talks about Rosa Parks and
the bus movement. So
you know, a couple years later, we went to them and asked them
to help finance these buses of young people to use march in
support of the Supreme Court decision. They did it they know
that's a towel, we were able to bring 2000 young people to DC
what else? Oh, so I'm so I'm getting a picture. This is this
is the stuff closest to 60. That led up to it. Of course, there
was Rosa Parks and, and the Montgomery bus boycott and the
Montgomery. I forget what they call it Association, something
Association. And we had a role in those things. Rosa Parks was
was active in the southern negra Youth Congress. People knew her.
She was not a party member. But after she became a heroine, she
was, you know, friendly.
Well, that maybe this is a good point for you to mention the
Highlander Folk School. Maybe that's a good time for you to
mention the Highlander Folk School.
Yeah, I intend to. Let me just finish this.
So yesterday, I was I had my headphones on. I'm listening to
Kanye A's rally in South Carolina. Ne Ne asked the crowd,
he says, you know about Rosa Parks, right. You know, she
wasn't the first and I'm like, Yeah, Claudette Colvin, I know,
I know. He never got to it, because he got cut off something
like that. But it was it was interesting. The audience there
was certainly not all in the No.
Of course not. I mean, because his narrative and I keep telling
these things. This narrative is more powerful than real history
always. And I've said this before, and I know, I keep
saying it's a hot take. But then that narrative of slavery is
just as dangerous to black people as the actual act of
slavery was because it leaves us in a state of perpetual
victimhood. Yeah,
I'm ringing the bell for you.
Alright, so we have Rosa Parks here. We know the real Rosa
Parks. She liked guns, so she wasn't all for she wasn't all
for the non violence part of civil rights. And they may say
she was friendly. She can never be official party member because
she was too close to King. Right and that and King hat was the
squeaky clean guy. We always say any any any nefarious
organization, you gotta have the clean guy, you know the bad guy?
Well, as I've learned to say to people oh am okay. Yeah, he was
the Greta of the time.
Right. So I mean, you can't have Greta out here. Getting all
dirty or taking yeah, getting dirty. So, Bob, just by
association, Rosa Parks couldn't be seen as communist as well,
because a lot of people early on knew what that meant. And it
also often open them up for Hoover to you know, have a clean
line of attack against them. Yes. With that said, what we
need to do is go way, way back before Rosa Parks, and how
carbon with communism brought raw racial equality to the
south.
I'm Michelle Martin, and this is Tell Me More from NPR news.
First, we continue our Black History Month series of
conversations. Throughout this black history month, we've been
focusing on new news about black history, new scholarship that
has emerged in recent decades that sheds new light on the
story of black people in America. Today, we want to hear
about communists in the civil rights movement. Now that's a
sensitive subject, since those working for equality have often
been accused of being communists in this country, but some
weren't. And we're joined now by Robin Kelly, author of hammer
and hoe Alabama communists during the Great Depression, it
documents how the Communist Party worked to secure racial,
economic and political justice. He's a professor of American
Studies in history at the University of Southern
California. And this semester, he's the Harmsworth, Professor
of American History at the University of Oxford, and we
welcome you to the program. Thank you for joining us.
Geez, somehow I didn't read about this in the 1619 project.
I don't understand how that could have missed that.
Well, it's because you have to protect your assets, one being
MLK, which I tell people, and we're gonna see it later in the
show is he's the greatest control mechanism. They have
over black people, right? Not him that not demand but the
product that they created from his legacy is quite clear that
the civil rights movement was birthed out of communism, and
communist tactics,
not really not really taught not really taught that way. I will.
Marxist teacher, a Marxist university that could teach you
about Marxist influence on
exactly No, I'm I'm all in and this is a little discussed topic
in a main in a mainstream way. That's a great fine, this NPR
stuff is fantastic. Yeah.
So I guess we can just get into Robert Kelley talks about the
sharecropper movement.
How did you get interested in this topic? And as I mentioned,
it is a sensitive topic, because there are those for decades
who've worked to tamp down the suggestion that anybody in the
civil rights movement was attracted to the Communist Party
at all.
Exactly. And this is a story that actually predates the civil
rights movement as we know it. Going back to the 1930s. I
became interested in this as a doctoral dissertation back in
the mid 80s, when I was very active in a lot of social
movements in actually in the LA area. And I wanted to know, how
the communist party organized African Americans, particularly
in places where black people were the majority. And there I
discovered a very vibrant movement that very few people
wrote about that basically are two stories, one memoir by a man
named Jose Hudson. And then another story in a book called
all God's dangers, which is about an African American
sharecropper,
dangerous, the life of Nate Shaw. I remember that
exactly, but his real name was Ned Cobb, and he was a
pseudonym. And it's a beautiful book that tells his life story,
only a portion of it deals with his membership in the communist
led sharecroppers union, which at one point, had about 12,000
members in the black belt counties of Alabama,
and we're all the members black. Well,
in Alabama, there was a point when basically all the members
except one were all African American sharecroppers and
tenant farmers.
Well, I can see where all this is headed. I love it. Um, see so
as this, the interviewer stated, they there has been a concerted
effort to tamp down this is her words to tamp down the communist
connection with the Civil Rights Movement indeed, so this is
clear. This is clear suppression. Yeah. And it's
really not because they didn't want to cover the story is they
wanted to cover their tracks because the media is in on this
whole thing. You have media, academia and some businesses
There are all in on pushing this narrative. And as um wow.
I see the repeat coming. I see the cycle for me this is this is
very interesting. I like it. Yeah.
So as Robin Kelly also said there was 12,000 members in
Alabama alone all black. Yeah. All black. So I mean, we this is
speaks to how widespread it was. And it predated the civil rights
by like 30 years. So this is nothing, this is nothing new. So
you can see how Rosa Parks, she was born into pretty much this
environment of, of communism, and it seems
so appealing, obviously, if you're a suppressed worker, or
you're black in the South Sea. Yeah, I mean, I can totally
Yeah, this sounds like a good idea.
That's why I made the statement about the sharecroppers and
their their prom target. Yep. And not just because I think so,
Moscow thought So start thinking,
how did the Communist Party get started in Alabama,
in 1928, the communists position internationally was that African
Americans in the South have the right to self determination,
meaning they have the right to create their own nation in the
South. In this position that came out of Moscow, it came from
other black communists around the globe. And with that idea in
mind, they sent two organizers to Alabama, and they went to
Birmingham. And it chose Birmingham because it was
probably the most industrialized city in the south. And they went
there thinking they would organize white workers and from
white workers, black workers would follow, but no white
workers who come forward. And so the first two organizers was a
guy named James Julio, who was a Sicilian worker who had migrated
to Alabama, and another guy named Tom Johnson. And together,
they went out looking for white workers, and black workers came.
And black workers came in fairly large numbers right away.
Because for them, they had a memory of reconstruction and
memory of the Civil War. And in that kind of collective memory,
they were told that one day the Yankees would come back and
finish the fight. Or when they saw these white communists, they
said, Oh, good, the Yankees are here. We can't wait to join.
Wow, that's fantastic. What a great clip. Oh, my goodness.
So you have Moscow monitor monitoring the black south. It's
exactly what Trump and Russia was accused of. Yeah, collusion.
Right. It was Trump, he's targeting black people because,
you know, their distrust. And, you know, the Russians are
fomenting division with you know, with these emails, these
destructive emails and social media post, bro.
It's a cycle. It's a cycle. It's a cycle, but it wasn't coming
from Russia, that's the problem was out in the open, it's still
out in the open.
Right? And then you have the black people thinking, well, if,
if these are the people want to put the bad white people in the
south, and you have these outsiders coming in, offering
you what you perceive to be better. Well, so So basically,
like a better deal.
So just to summarize, before the Civil Rights Movement well,
before it, our black brothers and sisters were sucked into a
communist trap. Which they seem to still be caught in only it
goes by different names. Now.
It's, it's not the same, you know, we get, we get sucked in,
and then we'll find a way out, and then they'll rebrand and we
get sucked in again, from the newer generation, and then we'll
fight our way out, and then we get sucked out again, it's new
code. It's like, this is the third cycle of being sucked into
communist mindset.
Yes. Wow, this is so good. I don't see why people go to
school to learn this stuff. You could just listen to a podcast.
Right? Before what was the name of the guy who was really the
speech writer behind Martin Luther King, who recently got a
commendation from Congress was just named the gay guy who got
caught. They know they are resting. That's right. Okay, cuz
I was trying to tell somebody the other day.
Oh, he's got he's gonna make an appearance. In today's show.
Nice. Nice. Nice. Okay, good.
So we have, let's see, we start with 13. Okay, let's get right
right into 14.
What was the Communist Party's message at that time? And why
were these black folks so attracted to it?
Well, there were three things. They focused on one, because it
was during the Great Depression. Their primary focus is the
unemployed. And so their demands were, we want either work or
some kind of support from the government. The second thing was
in 1931, you had the famous Scottsboro case when nine young
black men were arrested. falsely for raping two white women and
they end up going to jail. Well, these cases happen all the time
where black men are falsely accused. The difference was at
the Communist Party made the Scottsboro issue an
international issue. They put it in the newspapers, they spread
the word all over the globe in different languages. And these
unknown figures suddenly became a kind of cost celeb. And
finally, the third thing was basic civil rights. The right to
vote, the right to sit on juries, you know, the right to
not be Jim Crow segregated. These things certainly drew out
black working
people. Yeah, fantastic. Made that makes so much sense.
They use the same taxes as they've used today, this
floating of criminal cases with propaganda all around the world.
And for the gain of the cost for the game for the Communist
Party.
Well, what they figured out, I guess, is that, hey, we can do
this trick with any marginalized group. Just tell people hey, are
you this Are you that we can do the same thing for you? That's
the that's what's happened is the expansion of that.
Right, and their reaction is so visceral to black racial issues.
Yes. Because you know, it's, it's hag alien. The black
against the white, you know, um, so it feeds right into it. Um,
so I found this interesting set of clips next, and this is Mr.
Leonard Patterson. He's a black man who exposes communism and
explains why he was a communist.
the spoken word library presents, I trained in Moscow
for black rebels in a lecture by Leonard Patterson. Cool. Mr.
Patterson joined the Communist Party in Philadelphia in 1928.
He rose rapidly through the ranks went to Moscow for
advanced training along with such well known party officials
as Steve Nelson, Benjamin get low and Claude Lightfoot. In
fact, while in Russia, he was the roommate of Gus Hall later
to become head of the Communist Party USA. Leonard Patterson was
no small time operator within the movement. He was a member of
the National Committee and National Bureau of the Young
Communist League, a member of the Central Committee of the
Negro commission, and chairman of the International Negro
commission of the Communist International. He organized and
led picket lines, strikes, goon squads, and riots, all in
accordance with orders from party headquarters. He was an
active and effective communist propagandist, not only in the
United States, but also in Russia and Germany as well. Mr.
Patterson left the Communist Party, when he finally realized
it wasn't honestly interested in helping negros that it was just
using him and his people as cannon fodder to create hatred
and violence. And that the goal of the communist movement was
the enslavement of all peoples.
Oh, man, and my mind is just wandering as I'm thinking about
that. Do you think it's possible that later when J. Edgar Hoover
came up in the FBI and knowing that he was essentially passing
black man, that his his that his search to root out communism was
in any way related to suppressing his race?
I can see, I can see one of two ways. He could say, Okay, I'll
use communism as an excuse to suppress my way race to cover
for myself passing. So no one would ever think to look at me
that way. Right? Or I can see being a so called black man
growing up in the South, maybe he realized communism was a
major problem,
and then wanted to destroy this.
Right? I mean, you could look at it both ways. You could look at
it both ways. It gets out of the man's head. No, but you can you
can slice it both ways. Because really, he was really on the
heels of communism, and that there was a great overlap
between that and the civil rights. I don't know. Um, but in
this last clip, Leonard Patterson says, he realized we
were being used for cannon fodder. Yeah, I think a lot of
what people are saying now and today is like Black Lives
Matter, it just using us. It's totally cannon fodder. Yes. And
that and even Patrisse Cullors admitted to that, that black
people, I mean, let me get her go correct. And what she says
she says black sis men are not the sum of black people. So even
though they use this as, you know, their motivation for what
they're doing, they don't want to change things for us. And let
me just also say just
reiterate that because just want to make sure it's understood.
Using black men at As the reason for this refers to just, I don't
know, maybe she doesn't need to explaining. It's black men that
are being killed. It's black men that are being arrested. It's
it's all it's always a black man. So, you know, and but yet
you don't really get to be at the party,
this is black man to shut up, shut up and get killed, or shut
out and be muscle when we need you to be or, you know, it's
always just be what you need, what we need you to be. And
that's that's the new new wave that they have gone. And one
last thing he said he even mentioned himself, this slave of
all people this goes back to collectivism, right, that he
really realized, like how long we had it back to slavery here.
Just take my word for it. We actually have a clip from
Leonard Patterson, in 16.
I am Leonard paddock. When I was a young man, only 23 years old,
I joined the Communist Party. I was a member of the National
Executive Committee of the American Young Communist League.
And 1930. I was official Congress candidate for election
to New York State Assembly. I knew Gus Hall, and other top
rank of American Communist farewell. Because I trained with
them at 11 unit University in Moscow. I joined the party
because I honestly thought because we're trying to help
American Negro broke away from the party. When it became clear
to me, what it comes we're really up to was to use the
Negro people in this country, and a violent and bloody
revolution aimed at this 1000 of American Soviet dictatorship. It
was that simple. And just still that simple today, make no
mistake about it. What is happening in the United States
right now, under the banner of civil rights, is exactly what
had happened in China, and Cuba, Nigeria, and many other places
around the world.
Like ringing bell, my head's exploding here. I was just
looking at his Wikipedia page, it will be in the show notes.
Wow, this guy is fantastic. What a what a great guy. 30s. We're
talking Yeah, holy crap. This is great. All his papers are
Howard University. I think this was a great example of one of
the sharecroppers mentality that these communists are here to
help us. And when you really understand the ideology, it's
always gonna be losers. It's always gonna be losers in every
system. And take take the man's word for it. It's not like he
was, you know, I mean, we hear that right from the horse's
mouth. So I think we talked about he will be considered the
first wave in the recent event, that people on the ground
getting it all round up bringing attention in using propaganda to
draw attention to the you know, a case like this, Mike,
George floors will be black ink of the day, getting getting
started.
But he's first wave, he's first way wouldn't be the second way,
which is the provocateur. He's the criminal element, he's the
first wave, we'll
call them the proxy, the proxy,
right. So let's listen to how they will operate then and even
how similar it sounds to now, when I was
getting comments in my mind, and body of using honest grievances,
and smokescreen, to cover up the true nature of the revolution.
We're taught how to use propaganda, around the most not
a massive one group against each other. And to make them hate
each other. We learn this intensity of having martyrs and
we weren't even allowed to create our own market. The veg
did not result from that and we were getting large masses of
people and to do street marches and demonstrations. And finally,
we weren't struggling way to figure out right, and make them
spread and to keep them going. When I returned to Georgia
State, I was gonna give them practical plaintiffs participate
in so called non violent demonstrations. Several
deliberately calculated white people enter violence against
us.
Wow. Here's what he basically said we are trained Marxists.
Wow, I love that. That's good. But uh, Jim, I hadn't heard of
William L. Patterson. What a gem of a guy. He's written a lot of
books.
He sent us on his grievances and popular slogans. So check back
set one group against another with hatred, check, and how to
kick off riots and get people to the streets check. Wow, sounds
like the same playbook to me.
There is no before Yeah. Oh man. It's beautiful. So now we
have the question ourselves is this playbook, hag alien, a
hegemony
and that you and the bubble around you, or what bar do calls
the habitus and the habitus provides us with a way to
measure and gauge where you are, and the network of culture. This
network in turn, which is made up of millions of little
habitats, Bubbles, is the overall mechanism which decides
the course of political economic and cultural action. For
example, if the collective habitats of a particular group
is fashioned appropriately, then you can predict how that group
will act towards another group, say by teaching one group to
hate the word terrorist, and then labeling another group of
terrorists. You can now control how both groups will act. This
is hegemony.
Yeah, and I say hegemony hegemony, excuse me, but this is
a term used in Cultural Marxism. Yeah. Yeah, so, it really is the
head of Galleon dialectic, right? I mean, you play one side
against the other for a desired outcome. Yes,
you have problem reaction solution? Correct.
Let me get back to Mr. Linder Patterson. And he's going to
talk about being in the streets
in New York about 1935 and nigral boiler in Florida killed
by going to the store, rather than the actual students of
merchandise. Communist Party headquarters decide to marry
Martin's boy. So we went right to work pretty loud handbills.
And less than I have our after we started that was a race run.
completely smashed on wonders of Whitestone looting the rest. Not
picking a bank I read about visa bank I've personally
participated in the US arouse emotion on a massive one group
against the other and to make them hate each other. We learn
to have in mind Martin, and we're even going to create a bed
getting automatically result from the atmosphere of hatred.
I love this. So they back then they were just sitting around
waiting for something to happen. Boom, martyr that kid. Okay.
Same thing. Oh, yes. We don't have to leave the house. You sit
on the online look at Twitter.
Right but they were using the same same tactics because they
can handle deals are basically handouts. So it's their
handouts. You have social media posts, right? Getting people
motivated. So saying the same exact tactics. I want to go back
to hedge money right quick because one point I wanted to
make, and this is not only with race, oh, people had to be aware
of when they're getting sucked in until a war Yeah. Where this
race, gender or generation days or three fronts that these wars
are being fought on right now. We dispatch our shows
specifically speaks really to race and common gender, but even
with the Boulay I mean you have the boomers and you have the
millennials well that that in the ratio itself as well
it's also an overarching and I think that's what's been done so
expertly well throughout throughout time, is you just
boil it down to red and blue. That and then all these groups
fit in red and all these groups fit in blue and that's the meta
conduct the meta system up at top which makes it a lot easier
and you can always break down and target your little groups
underneath with their own little issue.
Yeah, and then you can also divide it as we've seen here,
one group you can you can slice and dice in terms of you can say
okay, now we got black against white. Let's turn the blacks
against the blacks. So now you got demand against the woman
right, you got the boomer against the millennial. I mean,
if what you're hearing now is right, that's right. You hear a
lot of the boomers saying and it seemed Molinos saying what The
Boomers dropped the ball.
So so really identity politics is just a code word for Marxism.
Correct? Yep. And then it starts to splinter out into his own
specific forms. As we talked about cultural Marxism. They're
also a thing called Black Marxism.
Now black boxes have appeared justice struggles against racial
capitalism, war, and patriarchy were actually ramping up in the
1980s, in the global economic slump, like the 70s, had opened
the door for an expansion of neoliberal policies already
being implemented in the global south. So the economic crisis
has also opened the door for privatizing public assets, for
the devolution of the welfare state from prison expansion,
making tax codes that benefit the rich. And again, this is not
a Republican strategy. This is, you know, it's like every party,
every ruling party in the United States from the 1970s,
consistently supported neoliberal policies. And in
fact, the triumph of racial liberalism can be said, help
usher in the rise of mass incarceration, and the deepening
criminalization of urban space in the post world war two
period. Now, we know now that liberals also back and expanding
criminal justice system, you know, ostensibly to protect
African Americans from mob violence but and to address what
was perceived to be rising crime rates, following desegregation,
but as a consequence, liberals, not just conservatives helped
create the criminal justice architecture that fueled mass
incarceration.
This is the world
that young activists inherited the ones that we're dealing with
today, the inheritance world.
Wow. I've heard you made mention before and like in the 1980s,
the Democratic Party became more of a party for businesses, well,
maybe not the businesses,
I would say the 90s with the Clintons, the Clintons decided
to fundraise instead of from unions necessarily, really went,
they went all corporatist. And that, of course, is when China
also came into play another fine Marxist slash communist partner
in this whole game, who's already been mentioned in an
earlier clip.
So I think this is where the special brand of Marxism called
Black Marxism had come about, because you start seeing this
beef between the far left and liberals right, which is right
of the far left. Yeah. They want to be more become more corporate
focus. Party, and now they're having to come back around and
why you see a Joe Biden that was in the 70s. He was they went
away from compassion and rehabilitation, to lock, lock
them up. I don't care how they got there. Bring him to here
right. Now they've been bid to the will of the Marxist saying,
no, no, no, no, no, no, no, you still need us don't know ever
get it twisted, right?
And do it without us. And here's how we do it. Watch this.
Right. And the corporation's are activating the Marxist. Yeah. I
want to make this point clear
test. It's so beautiful. The capitalist corporations are
activating and actively funding the Marxists. Yes, this is a
genius. This is so smart.
Because this is corporate warfare, even though a spot on
the streets is corporate warfare. Because what represent
capitalism, white men, specifically old white men, so
if you can get old white man to be shamed, or removed from the
boards of directors, you can get money, you can you can get the
older model. You can load up the board of directors with whoever
you want to be seen as not.
Wow, that is something Kanye said yesterday during his rally.
And I didn't even hear it.
He said, I'm on not on the board of the gap. I'm not on the board
of Puma. We're changing that. That's got to happen now right
now is what he said yesterday. All right. Interesting.
So this is we're witnessing a I think this is the response not
to get too far ahead of myself. You know, we're in a trade war
right now. Yeah, I think this is the response to the trade war,
but instead of being fought in the board rooms in negotiating
rooms, they're fighting on the streets of America. Wow. Yes,
no, that made me sound far fetched. But that's that's what
I truly believe.
I got to get my head around that but I like it. But there's
that's very interesting. Okay, I got to think about that one.
That's a good one.
Think about it. But um, we'll get to another expert on the
topic of black Marxism. This is Bill Fletcher Jr. And he's also
a professor as well,
particularly, for example, on the issue of race, and what has
been always called the national economy all questions you had, I
believe, have profound influence on Marxism, from Africa, from
Latin America from Asia, what has always irritated me, in the
Black Freedom Movement is that whenever I encountered someone
who says, well, Marxism is a white man's theory. And, and
that's like absurd. Because when you look at the contributions
that have been made to Marxism, by people of African descent,
it's just simply amazing. I look at Marxism as a theory of
emancipation. It is, it is a framework for analyzing history,
analyzing society, and a method of thinking. Now, one of the
problems that we faced was the rise of post modernism, which I
would argue as has been a cancer in the left and has taken people
beginning with in some ways, accurate critiques of economic
determinism in Marxism. It then has taken people in this
direction of almost romanticizing defeat.
Wow. So So one point he made was white Marxism is seen to be a
white man's theory. Yeah. But he, in black Marxism, they want
to say that, no, no, no, no, no, plenty of black people have
quote, unquote, black people who have contributed to Marxism, and
we need our credit. Another tenant of black Marxism is that
the white workers can't relate to the grievances that the black
workers have different grievance is their sheer, let's just call
it their so their sheer whiteness, right? I'm sorry,
yes. There's no, you can't do that. It's impossible. Yes.
Yeah. You can't identify with my struggle, right? Because it's
different here. So that's why you have this separation, even
within Marxism, black Marxism. Is this whole, this whole thing
is a whole separate thing. I just want to make people
right, but it doesn't, it doesn't really differ other than
it's just the same basic ideology, just with different
issues at hand.
It's just a Galeon. Dividing.
Division, of course, of course, if we ever need to, we can pit
these two against each other inside our own house. Yeah,
perfect.
Yeah, and that's what you have now controlled.
Okay, of course, and I understand. So you, then you
have two parties, you can control them both because you
know the outcome and therefore you control the whole bit
because it's all yours to start with.
Right? Because you have black lives matter or black ink. We
say that you have black ink dragging and white layer Yes.
far though. And
we're already in we're already seeing this on the streets.
Where's there's confusion? It's being played against each other?
Oh, this is great. This is very, very good.
So we have to understand all the players in the game. Now so
first mission about the straight this cisgendered black male.
Yeah, and we seen a so called member of Black Lives Matter.
Rise up name halt. Newsom, have you seen Newsom before Adam?
No, I don't think so. We're what I've seen him
okay Hawk Newsom he you've seen him I was assumed but you
probably just didn't recognize them. tall black guy wears black
shades bald head. And the funny thing is he kind of looks like
hot from Spitzer for hire, which which Oh,
really now which we just talked him on a lot. Yeah.
We spoke about him on last show and I looked at him again I was
like how wrong he is almost the you know this.
Oh, yeah, no, I've seen this guy know who he is. I'm looking at
him now Hawk Newsom okay, yes, I got it. I know he's names
halt. The other game guys name halt.
That's some programming right there, huh?
I would think so. But let's get into the clip of hot new sumo
reforming law enforcement in the black community.
Protesters in American streets are calling for the country to
address our racial tensions, both current inequities and
contentious symbols of America's past. But how to do that is a
key question. For one perspective. Let's begin with
Hawk Newsom, head of Black Lives Matter writer in New York. Mr.
Newsome you created quite a stir this week when you spoke with my
colleague Martha McCallum. Let's take a look at what she has
said.
If this country doesn't give us what we want, then we will end
down this History and replace it. All right and I can be
speaking physically, figuratively, I can be speaking
literally it's a matter of interpretation.
Afterward, President Trump tweeted his reaction to your
statement. This is treason, sedition, insurrection.
Question, sir. What do you accomplish with rhetoric like
that? How do you think that helps?
Well, here's the thing. A lot of people don't understand how the
streets or the people feel. I have a in depth knowledge of
this. I live in the Bronx, I live amongst the people. So it's
not like I'm sitting here pushing a button or anyone can
push that button. But if people keep seeing these images of
their babies of their relatives of black people being killed,
they keep dealing with financial inequality and an equity and it
reaches a point of frustration, then people lash out this is a
matter of inevitability that people will lash out because
they're feeling like they're backed into a corner.
Okay, yes, I remember this quote I remember seeing it thinking
hmm gotta look into that and something else happened but from
it from his Wikipedia page so the hawk similar similarity
doesn't end there as a cast member on cop watch America.
So he he plays it basically use the word now he played the it
was actually a reality type series, where they did what the
black what they did with the Black Panthers did they would
basically go out and record cops, oh, interactive.
But now but here, but here we have a statement from from the
managing director of Black Lives Matter global network. So that
is black ink, says Hank Newsom has no relation to the Black
Lives Matter global network founded by Patrice colors,
Alicia Garza and Opal tomasetti. And is not the president of BLM
or any of its chapters.
So he's, he's fake, but he's fake black ink. Yeah. And they
use this as opportunity to demo demonize him, and
oh, and he goes in and says, We're gonna burn it down. We're
horrible.
Right? But that's bad for business. Yes. They're in the
same position that Rosa Parks has to be in. Oh, we can't be
close to the violence, you know, the course, is bad for the
brand,
right. That's why we didn't see him anymore. He's got he's gone.
He's gone. I haven't seen him yet.
Actually, this was done on Fox News. So that was the only place
you could find that that will even bring him on to make let
him clarify his statement.
And don't think that you don't underestimate that as a
coincidence.
I was not I mean, he's a knockoff. He's a knockoff Black
Lives Matter. So like now, we only want the real McCoy with
Fox News. Us. Thank you use him to spin their narrative, right.
And
which was horrible, because he's spun the wrong narrative. So I'm
just saying that groups everywhere
is a two for one, you get to call them out as fate fate black
ink. And then they also could demonize this black male as
being violent.
Yes. Fantastic. What a great, great decoy and he's gone. He's
they probably locked him in the freezer.
Either here. So I guess we can get into 2.1 When Mr. Newsome
but just two years ago, back in 2018, you gave a TED talk, in
which you preach nonviolence and talked about how during the
riots in Baltimore, over the death of Freddie Gray, you tried
to stop the violence. I'm going to play a clip of you from just
two years ago.
Do you have love in your hearts? Do you love your neighbor? Do
you believe in the Bible? The Quran? Do you believe in your
religious teachings because I guarantee you all of them tell
you to help your neighbor?
That man wouldn't have talked about working to burn down the
system. What happened?
Let me tell you what happened. Let me let me ask you that, Mr.
One, this guy after the whole first round 2015 2016 He started
meeting with Trump supporters and he was on stage and do a TED
talks in the middle of the rose dance. Yeah. Then after George
Floyd, he was radicalized. Yeah.
New, new script. All right, let's go
and we saw the same radicalisation is with Nick
Cannon which we're going to save for a later date to talk about
on this show. But can we get a cancellation cannon? Castle
cannon for Nick Cannon please got it.
Welcome and cancelled, he is. Yeah, he's
out here. What happens here is when they start to radicalize
people with this media coverage, it gives black people a false
sense of security, that they can open up and tell you everything
that's on their mind without any repercussions. Replica
repercussions, right? This was happened to haul. The guy got
the feeling got good to him. He's like, Yeah, we'll burn it
down. And they're like, no, no, no, no,
that's not gonna work. No, you
went too far on that? Well, it may got him up out of here.
Because I was looking at the TEDx. So not really a TED talk,
but a TEDx is billed as the same in 2018, and is there he's local
chapter, black lives matter. So I'm sure he was in the group. I
mean, you're totally right. He was down. He may still only been
claiming at the time, but they cut him off real quick after
that burning down stuff.
Yeah, they let him speak on their behalf because he kind of
was good for good. He filled that gap they needed like,
where's your black male leadership? Oh, yeah. But he
wasn't really affiliated so they can easily cut ties with them.
Anytime they want to right. Now, we're gonna see I was this guy
speaking for Fox. I lost his name.
Wallace,
I think it's Chris Wallace. Okay, Chris Wallace. Now Chris
Wallace is going to use a very familiar tactic that I've talked
about on this show is called the MLK trigger.
There has been a split in the, in the civil rights movement,
the African American community for at least a half a century
now between Malcolm X and by any means necessary on the one hand,
and Martin Luther King and working through the system on
the other didn't MLK got a lot more done, in a practical sense.
Believe that Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. was a brilliant
strategist, especially in the form of media savvy, but Well,
we have to understand is black people do not trust politicians.
They don't trust black. They don't trust Democrats. They
don't trust Republicans. Black people also have a problem with
the government overstepping its bounds, the biggest Madison
manifestation of debt is policing. So if you want to make
government smaller, then you address police on that scale. If
you talk about the rift in the civil rights movement, our
elders, a lot of them have been bought off by the Democratic
establishment. Right. And they pretty much go with the flow of
the Democratic establishment.
Wow. Way to get well, she's speaking some truth. There.
He is. And that's what probably got more counseled in the
morning. Now.
That's not that's not really the talking point, Hawk.
Right. Could we at the end of the day, the goal is to get
black people out and vote. So you can't be out here saying all
the Democrats, that's wrong, we're bought off. Wrong Wrong. I
think when he's talking about the democratic ills being bought
off by them, by the black elders being bought off by Democrats,
he's referring to Malcolm X comments about Martin Luther
King, and him being him being bought off by the liberals. And
this is the trigger I'm talking about. Well, isn't isn't it
more, you know, MLK got more done, you know, you don't want
to arm yourself and protect you. He was
peaceful.
I hope people are seeing now how the trigger is led this is why
MLK the product can never go away. And this is why they'll
protect them to the end of his communist socialist affiliations
because he's way more valuable. Yeah, no controlling black
people. How they paid it. MLK gets Malcolm X to say, oh, you
know, MLK was so much Duchess want a cup of coffee at the
Woolworths counter? You don't want it good. Do you don't want
to kind of protect yourself? Yeah, this this is what I'm
talking about. This is the MLK. I have I found I haven't found a
greater example of them using the trigger to make black people
docile than this. Exactly. Well, you export Mr. Curry, and to
speak to the armed black people arming themselves and compare
MLK to Malcolm X. Let's listen to a throwback clip from 43 Wit
resting in MLK.
My man Ruston. Here we go. What do you want
to see Dr. King now So who is it? Good evening, Mrs. King
Byard Reston.
Aston is here that I guess we've arrived
you stray from the principles of non violence and you're the
leader of a nonviolent movement. And yet you have guns in your
home and these armed guards outside.
Let me ask you something. Mr. Ruston? Would you risk your
family for attacking from violence is not the time would
you risk your violence, isn't it? I have an obligation family.
Well, the guns don't make me feel any safer.
Oh, that's great. Yeah, so there he is that and that was the real
the real power came in was Roston
you her with me. Okay. This of course, this is from a movie
called boycott. But it's biographical pic. So it's should
be accurate. And of course readings, things out read
support this notion about want to point out to people. You see
the LGBT? Yeah. And the women Yes, teaming up again. Now mo K
is the leader of this by the narrative. He's the leader of
this whole Civil Rights Movement. And they're
questioning his tactics and his his his decision making. He's
like, Oh, well, how does it good enough? Make you feel safer? I
don't know that. I don't how to get my head around that. Right,
but we got to say that they are Russian was a clear and open
communist.
Well, not only that, but and this is why I brought it up
earlier. But also, while at the time, every every LGBTQIA P k
plus had to be kind of quiet about it. And he wasn't that
quiet about it now? Oh, no. In 2004, I think was 13 Obama
honored Bayard Rustin posthumously. Was it possible
that yes, I surprised with it well, but it was with the
Presidential Medal of Freedom. But in 2019 Congress awarded him
for Well, here's the headline honoring an unsung LGBTQ hero so
Bayard Rustin, also got honored for his sexuality posthumously.
Just recently, though, which I thought was kind of interesting.
What they're probably trying to bring him back to the forefront
and you know, the control mechanisms. I mean, they have to
these are their heroes. And he's
perfect. He's perfect as the you know, to use just like for
African Americans now we can use with LGBTQ because he was
actually the guy side by side. Beautiful.
Well, when you got to come as we move through, you know, the
future. You're going to be hearing more and more. Well, he
led King Yep, there you go. Because you're gonna have the
There you go. We have this cisgender male. He was nothing
without br leading him. And then that's where we're headed.
You're so right. Sadly, she
might get a trigger warning. Please, if you can dig it up,
because this next clip might trigger somebody out there
right, here it is, gentlemen. Yes.
I had to play this because of who speaks next and these next
to the clips? We have Gavin Gavin McInnes. Oh. You said, Oh,
I understand the trigger warning now. Yes, gotcha. Proud boys,
a member, a member of the proud boys and suspected racist. But
he speaks on Black Lives Matters and then having daddy issues.
So why do the two lesbians who started Black Lives Matter? Why
do they love him so much? Because they hate their dads
too. Now, I'm gonna be sort of jumping all over the place here.
But before I get to them, let me just explain daddy issues. I
think we all know what they are. But it's a natural thing. I have
it. We've been getting better over time, right? 45 degree
angle. And so inevitably, most of us are looking into a father
who busted his ass worked way harder than we did. My dad's
been in 1000s of fights. I've been in like 15 And as a young
man, I would look into his eyes and see disappointment. I hadn't
accomplished anything. I wore communism. When I told him he
didn't know about the working man. Fuck you, dad. That's what
these riots are. That's what you're seeing on the street now.
They're pulling down the statues and people go that's that was an
abolitionist. They don't give a shit about what the statue is.
They give a shit about patriarchy, masculinity legacy,
because they know they won't have one. And they know their
dad did and they're pissed off about it. So what do you do when
someone makes you feel like a loser makes you feel
disappointing? You trivialize them?
Oh, I'm sure shocked a black man like you mo would even play a
clip from this horrible racist misogynist a hall.
And my retort to that is pay attention to everything.
It's usually when you when something is being excoriated in
the mainstream, it's always worth a listen. Now, what do you
got to lose? You might learn something.
You can learn anything for anybody, either what to do or
what not to do, right? I don't I don't blind myself, or deaf
myself to voices just because they're not acceptable. Okay,
Boomer suicide. So he digs up a little piece of information that
has been scrubbed from the internet, about black lives
matter in this next clip,
Black Lives Matter has been hiding this because the people
are catching on. But they said that they are a they are for
radical social intervention. They also said, I don't know if
I included this. Yeah, they've removed this from their site,
but you can find it on way back. We are committed to disrupting
the Western proscribed nuclear family structure requirements by
supporting each other as extended families and villages.
What happens when your dad kicks you out? You say no, this is my
family. And what happens when you feel insecure about that and
wonder if it's as good as having a dad? You enforce it? And you
say no, let's destroy the family. Destroy the Father. So
no one can kick me out of my house for being a black lesbian
teen. This is all totally selfish. They collectively care
for one another, especially our children's agree that mothers
parents and children are comfortable.
Yep, mothers, parents and children. Yep. I'm gonna say it
again. mothers, mothers, parents and children.
Didn't doesn't have to be a man in that.
No disrupting the Western family structure, aka male leadership
is. That's their goal. That's key. Yeah, that's key. That's
whenever I hear this. That's even. Well, I wouldn't even say
even but Robyn D'Angelo talks about the heteronormative
patriarchy, that is a big part of the problem. And she had a
lot of problems with her father and family growing up.
And as I stay on this show, you know, almost no fault. It starts
with us. It starts with is coming for you next, who fill in
the blank, whoever it is, it starts with black people are
quote unquote, so called black people. But it is the test room.
It's just the beta room. It's like, oh, yeah, we could take
the family out. They'll take the frog out their home, then we
were successful at that. All right, let's take the father's
out of society period.
Wow, man will be like the Uyghurs
which we have to talk about them on another show? I can't do it.
I can't do this with you, Adam.
It's like, it's like rabbit hole and the rabbit hole at home like
Jesus Christ. I know, come up.
I did dig a lot of holes. And then I'd look at it and go toss
this to mow. Right? God as bad. I know.
I'll tease here, which I know you hate and some people love
Uyghurs. And we've that will be a common topic. Um, but you
brought me to China.
Hold on, hold on. I'd be we've I'm excited to hear that in the
future.
Since you took me here, I mean, you gather to me right to China,
open on in with what is the Cultural Revolution
to those of us who have never been through it. China's
cultural revolution is just a social political movement that
took place in China from 1966 to 1976. To many of those who have
lived through it, it was probably the worst nightmare of
their lives on the surface. It was to remove all capitalistic
elements from China, and to remove all traditional and
cultural elements from Chinese society. But what this movements
really was was multidose selfish attempt to get rid of his rivals
and governments and to revive his image to the Chinese people
after it was soiled that dude, his campaign called the Great
Leap Forward. Now that campaign ended up creating the largest
famine in human history, and killing somewhere between 18 and
43 million people.
I think this is from that that guy who did the entire Chinese
history in 30 minutes on YouTube. We're at dawn GA That's
it. That's great as fans, everyone should watch that. It's
really good.
As he just said they started trying to remove capitalism, and
then all of history What are we seeing? What are we seeing now
in the street?
Yeah, well, they removed it more imperialism, wasn't it not
capital imperialism.
Now, let's say he said capitalist, he would they want
to remove all capitalists. Oh, right.
Okay. Yes. Yeah. Worse. Of course, we're seeing the exact
same thing. Absolutely.
So it makes you question. Only question. Where's the sources is
coming from all this kicked up? Right after the China took a
major ale and the trade war to Trump?
No, yeah, no. Now it also all happens in an election year. So
there are lots of agendas that have Confluence and come
together, of course,
right. But we know. We speculate who controls the media, and we
had wall to wall coverage all the way down to Sesame Street.
Well, no, no, of course. I mean, the mainstream media appears to
be controlled by China directly or indirectly, certainly,
indirectly with the pharmaceutical industry, which
China certainly controls with advertising. And And to add to
that we've had the director of the FBI, the Attorney General,
and the Secretary of State and of course, the president all go
on a massive offensive in the past week alone, about China,
what they're doing, where they've infiltrated, calling out
collaborators such as Apple, Microsoft, Cisco, Yahoo, etc.
And not a peep on the mainstream media. So yes, absolutely.
Well, I'll help people to just listen out in this next clip,
but the parallels that went on with the Cultural Revolution,
and what's going on now.
Now, the Cultural Revolution started off with a campaign to
cast away the four Oles the four O's are old ideas, old culture,
old customs and old habits. Basically, this manifested in
old books and art being destroyed. Museums ransacked in
streets renamed with new revolutionary names, and adorned
with pictures and sayings a monster don't everywhere, Malta
don't want it to eradicate religion, first and foremost,
because without a belief system, the Chinese people are more
easily swayed to believe, basically, whatever He tells
them, many famous temples, really old, traditional shrines
and utter historical heritage sites were destroyed today, when
you go to China, most of the temples in the old historic
sites that you see were actually recreated because most of them
were all destroyed during the Cultural Revolution where the
parent before that,
do you see the parallels here renaming streets, Black Lives
Plaza, destroying of history, now it just it was under the
guise of taking down Confederate statues, which I have no issue
with taking them down. I stated previous before, I mean,
previously, that I have no issue with taking them down, I have an
issue with the manner in which they're being taken. Now, of
course, it's not a democratic process is stupid.
But what happens is snowball to all of history's and they call
it the four old right, you know, to get rid of Yeah, I think
America is going through the one old, old white men, if you get
rid of old white man, every single word, it'll be fixed.
Yeah, because the black man won't emulate the old white man.
I mean, they'll fall in line and you can solve all your problems
that way. I'm
just, you're in regards to the Great Leap Forward. and China.
This is what Apple CEO Tim Cook said just recently in regards to
Black Lives Matter.
So it is today, we're at an important moment in our history,
a time when progress, which has been far too slow, feel suddenly
poised to move forward in a great lead. Each of us has a
role to play in making sure we rise to the occasion.
I mean, that Tim Cook might as well just work for the Chinese
Communist Party. He certainly has a very deep relationship
with Apple has a very deep relationship with and when he
those words are not used by accident
at all, and the problem with the Cultural Revolution was was bad
actors. There was no clear definition of a bad actor. It
was just kind of like now, right? You can just get called
and canceled for anything. This person said this 10 years ago,
and then, you know, that's why you have a lot of people coming
out and apologizing. No, preemptively is I'm sorry. I
don't know. I don't know what I did. But I'm sorry. I did it.
Yes. And here's my 100 million dollar fund, whatever you do,
don't look over here, please. We
that's the brand you get the logo, right you get the black
ink stamp and it's like oh, we're good. I have a bag of
black ink pass. I'm be above canceling.
Hey, we should create those as a premium for donors. What
blacking
passes. Yeah,
Shall Pass. Yeah, why not? We can make our own blacking pass.
When you see that domain name I can get I'm sure.
A punch card that we need to make it like a punch card.
No barcode barcode will be fine. Don't worry barcode will
understand for every transgression you get the your
punch down as well. Okay. All right. That way they had to
renew. Yeah, you gotta get you had to renew.
We got out of punches. It's like a ski lift pass. Okay, yeah,
exactly.
So, um, I think it's a good point. You know, we talked about
that you and I felt this next clip. And oftentimes people want
to say, How do I tell people about the show? What is Mofaz?
What Adam curry what I don't tell you guys what you're
talking about? Well, this next clip, Adam, I think it describes
us and what we do to a tee, and it's from one of your favorite
people.
Press, the white man and the black men have to be able to sit
down at the same table, the white man has to feel free to
speak his mind without hurting the feelings of that negro. And
the so called Negro has to feel free to speak his mind without
hurting the feelings of the white man, then they can bring
the issue that are under the rug out on top of the table and take
an intelligent approach to get the problem solved. What's the
only way
we'll ever do it? Wow, that's fantastic. That sums it up. And
if only we had known this much earlier. How old is this clip
where this is what from like 60s something?
Yes. 6460s 6364. I want to say it wasn't a compilation of
Malcolm X clips. I mean, I was going through it, looking for
something else. And that just Powell was like, holy crap that
explains exactly what we're doing. I'm coming to the table,
you're coming to the table, we put a fence to the side. Yeah.
And we get right to the problems.
And apparently, we're going to save the world. I love this.
It's a tough job, ladies and gentlemen, we've taken upon
ourselves, but we couldn't do it without you. And this is what
Moe was talking about with value for value. And actually, this is
where I want to just slip in the idea of, you know, we have
capitalism, you've got communism or Marxism. In the media
landscape, I think we're seeing a I call it tribalism, or media
tribalism. But it really is a form of an economy that has,
that has shown that you don't even if you if you have talent,
and you want to do something, you don't have to be part of the
system. This is what's changed. And why these systems don't work
the same anymore, or are vulnerable. Because we've
created models like the value for value model, which means we
don't need to have massive scale, we just need to be
supported by our tribe by our community. And that's exactly
what is happening with Moe facts with Adam curry, as we have
assigned everybody the role of producer ship. And without a
doubt, MO You give me way too much credit. But a lot of the a
lot of the rabbit holes I fall into and then slide over to your
side. Of course, they come from producers, people who are
interactively involved in the programming of this podcast. And
the only way we can do it and and sustain it is with support
and financial support. And we love people who do that. They
are often our executive or Associate Executive producers,
but everyone has a producer who helps out in any way you can.
But we are very appreciative of the support that we received.
Now this is really for the past two weeks, so it's a little bit
longer, but the support is overwhelming. And it's just
fantastic to read all these notes, which we're going to
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And here's what he says mo how're you doing? I just want to
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Thanks. Thanks. Thanks, Joe. That's very cool. That's that's
another thing that's happening. Right now we're seeing with the
school closures and kids being threatened to be on Zoom for
five hours a day. Parents are now creating pods of
homeschooling and they're hiring teachers to come into you know,
like they got maybe six or eight kids. It's ingenuity is
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been lecturing me and the missus about our place. I'm an old
white guy missus is mixed Japanese American so
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And let's see what he says here dear mo anatomy I enjoyed your
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This is very interesting and what so if that's the name of
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it is very interesting to consider this topic eyeball
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discuss.
Prior to getting involved in all these investigations, I made a
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Suge Knight, and then one on the murders called Battle for
Compton and made the trip to Minnesota while the buildings
were burning in the aftermath of joy, the George Floyd murder, I
got to see an intelligence operation unfold in real time.
During our protests during our protest march documented in the
film, the people have the power, a federal agent magically
appeared to lead us into the Freeway between police where we
were surrounded on all sides. We were suckered into this March by
a crisis actor that told us white supremacist were shooting
protesters. I would like to know if anyone recognizes this actor.
You can see him in this film. I believe he's either police
officer or military the entire day was very strange. Wow,
that's quite a quite a lot of info there. And we'll certainly
if we hear anything, we'll we'll send it on to you or bring it up
and thank you for supporting
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highly anticipated Hip Hop episode series. Because I got
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had job interviews with two of the biggest policy think tanks
in DC heritage and AI, I hope to be able to influence them to
design fact based nonpartisan policies for the federal
government and presidents. Hopefully they'll hire me
heritage is highly influential indeed. They told Trump who to
hire when he entered the White House plus being in DC during
this election should be entertaining well KR that is
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based historic history of the country and anything else you
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Meredith, Matt and $58 and says I was particularly inspired by
the episode GBG and I've said gun control is racist for the
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But I can buy you some bullets or two memberships to the n a GA
of $29 per person per year. Thank you. We'll sign up right
away. I can be the honorary shadow. Love the show y'all keep
it up as a criminal defense attorney racism and bias
policing are common topics discussed with my friends that
conversation is recently dominated by socialists love
Black Lives Matter Inc. Org, as we say now black ink so I'm glad
to hear another perspective on the OFAC show. As for the
alternative to the no agenda peerage committee, what about
your own fraternity? Or maybe even your own Boulais I think
that'd be fun. The merch ideas are already running through my
head says Meredith de Meredith de fer order of anonymous from
na peerage. Okay, well, we've danced around this topic for a
while which is basically to have a levels of achievement in
producer ship, where you can just purely based on your own
accounting. When we come to a certain number then you can be
Come a while there's no agenda has a night or a dame of the
roundtable, you've been thinking about this. What do you what do
you have?
Well, hearing that Malcolm X clip, speaking of bringing them
to the table, I don't want to, you know, step on the no agenda
format, but I mean, it's kind of like bring up to the table. I
mean, we need to bring in grain that into our our, to the table.
Yep. Okay. Yes. So we need to bring people to the table. The
limits? I don't know how we set those up. As far as I think
we bring them to the table, we call on it, the table, we call
it, we got to have you tell me?
Yeah, we can listen to that clip again. Cuz I think we need to
center around that. Because that's what this is the car. And
when people say the conversation, this is what needs
to happen. People set aside their emotions, and have an open
conversation. And I think everybody has been contributed
to the show is producers are all for that. So right
man, and the black men have to be able to sit down at the same
table, the white man has to feel free to speak his mind without
hurting the feelings of that negro. And the so called Negro
has to feel free to speak his mind without hurting the feeling
of the white man, then they can bring the issue that are under
the rug on top of the table and take an intelligent approach to
get the problem solved. That's the only way we'll ever do it.
Okay, I'm going to think about this too. Yeah, something is
seated at the table. Like I said,
All right. Well, what we're working on at Meredith, thanks
for kicking that off. Michael Bradbery a double nickels on the
dime. 5510 in the morning.
Well, you could say you we do have a fraternity. It's called
the school of fish. Okay, we're swimming, baby. We're swimming.
All right. Well, that's another good one. I like that too. So
you can do a lot with fish. All right. In the morning. Oh, and
Adams is Michael Bradbury. After hearing Adam and John mentioned
the show on no agenda. I finally started listening a few weeks
ago, it had been going back to the older episodes when I can do
analysis on each show was fantastic. So I had to send some
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both Mo and Adam, please accept this donation for supplying
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friends with several black kids too. I was put on to some
aspects of black culture, namely rap music and sneaker culture.
Your podcast has had a profound impact on the way I used to
differentiate between being white and black. With the help
of the pod Father, you've shown me that there are a lot more
similarities between white people and black people,
especially in the way we think than what the mainstream media
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You've got Rochelle stole 5333 this producer is from Rochelle
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after my husband Jake, a longtime no agenda listener
heard about this new project. We're not 30 He's live in
Seattle and we listened to this podcast together when we're road
tripping. Jake says he's a culturalist white mutt. I have a
mixed background. My dad grew up in Jamaica my mom's extended
family is from Croatia. So I've always grown up between two
worlds. When I hear Moe talk about being a proud black man
and how have you ever said you I'm a proud black man.
You may be
trying to think that
when I say the term black, it's the first definition not the
second.
Exactly. I just thought was interesting because you come
across that way. Regardless, you come across as a proud proud
mofo would love it right? Here mo talking about being a proud
black man, I wouldn't want to be anything else. I think about how
my dad raised my brother and I, that we can't do anything, be
anything and achieve that we can do anything, be anything and
achieve whatever we want. I started getting attention from
my friends and co workers that made me feel like a victim
because of the color of my skin especially after George Floyd
was murdered. The attention is overwhelming and exhausting.
This is a great note. But this show gives me context help
navigate this fun, help navigate conversations about race,
hearing the history of why Black people are taught by media to
feel victimized rid me of that anxiety. Every day. I say to
myself, that knowledge is power and I feel very powerful because
of your work. Moe karma with the kick of goat screen for all the
new listeners, please. Also, I just watched the last dance with
Michael Jordan and I'm curious, what do you think about him?
Thank you very much as Rochelle Now I read You really, really
love this note? Because it's helping her understand white
people.
And I remember her husband writing in actually he wrote,
Oh, that's right. I do remember shows ago. Yeah, we remember we
remember these things, people. That's right. He was talking
about how helpful from his perspective it was. And I'm glad
to hear her. Give her firsthand account, please. All right now,
Michael Jordan, Michael Jordan, the greatest basketball player
ever by far it's not even close. I think he gets a hard they're
pretty hard on him because he's not as woke as people will want
him to be. But they gotta realize he only made $2 million
a year playing basketball compared to $40 million a year
that players make now so plus the shoe deals do they get so
they can be a lot allowed to be appear to be a lot more woker if
that's the word then Michael was because he was actually kicking
open the door that they reap the benefits from now.
I don't have the ESPN on demand thing or whatever the hell it
was but it just hidden it from Netflix and the keeper. Nice.
Because she lives in Chicago. You know, she witnessed all of
that. She she was a Bulls fan like everybody and I've only hit
episode two but I I love this series is fascinating to watch
is obviously I don't know crap about sports. I recognized
on it. We're working on it.
What Scottie Pippen though man, that's an interesting dude. I
mean, especially with the deal he signed and he No, it was
horrible. This really is I feel I feel for him. He's very
interesting. Anyway, let me do this mo karma with a goat screen
twist for you. Thank you very much. There we go. Eric Coco
from Deutschland. We know him to see $2 No, no, but thank you
very much, Eric. Dunker, Shin. Dunker, shoot, and I should just
say,
Can I say one more thing. When people write in, they don't send
a note. Just put no note in the comment because I have an
anxiety that I'm gonna miss somebody and I happen to shake
everywhere. Every combination name, email address possible God
so just put, it'll save me a bunch of time and take away the
anxiety that I don't want to miss anybody. I know when you
guys write these notes that it means a lot to you. So that's
why I'm very particular about make sure I get people's voices
out there.
Well, Sir Johnny B did add a note and he said 5150 which is
of course code for time to take someone to the to the nuthouse.
How is it that people can gloss over the obvious language of
white supremacy and all these anti racist articles? It's
depressing me. I need some sanity. Hope you guys are back
soon. Love you guys. That's capital L realize you're out.
Thank you very much, sir Johnny B. And here we are. Alan Adler
$50 love the show. He says here's my contribution for your
new Glock nine millimeter give bail blacks guns. Sir daddy of
the seven wonders $50 Mo. This is a good faith donation for
value I've received but I need you to understand I'm a proud
Southerner who owns a confederate flag has pictures of
generally and Bedford for decorating my house. And I'm a
student of southern history and culture. I'm also half Korean
for what it's worth. There are many good southern people who
are proud of their lineage. And we're not white supremacists, or
anything like what the media programs people to think about
Southerners. How many times have you seen a good portrayal of a
redneck in the media news, TV or movies? I'd love to talk history
and philosophy with you Mo and maybe we can do a meet up
someday and have dinner and a drink or two, I'm in Virginia.
But after your comments about removing the Confederate
memorials because they were terrorists, I needed to push
back on that completely incorrect narrative. Well, I
disagree with you on more than a couple of things. I've listened
to this podcast and going back and listening to the archives
for shows I missed because I want to better understand your
point of view. And I've learned a lot and definitely received
value from your podcast, which is why I need to return some
value to you. I think a lot of folks would also benefit from
learning about the actual history and culture of the old
South, we have a lot more in common than the media would have
you think no surprise, at any rate best to you and yours and
to Adam and all his folks are daddio of the seven wonders
when I use the term terrorists. I said by their own definition.
So people on the right I don't want to assume that he's on the
right. But people on the right often say if you go against your
country, you're treasonous and you're a terrorist and you know
those things. So I'm just saying by that definition that those
people set, then you have to judge it the same way. To me I'm
not bought I'm not bothered by the Confederate flag or civil
war. I actually say even said in the show I mentioned that was I
have more understanding now living in Virginia, because I
get to understand a little bit better. Now. I will say this, he
said about lineage and that's why I wrote my bill. I've never
said for anybody to deny their lineage Actually, if you or
anybody you're saying, who's listening to the show, that's
one of the things that irks me the most, when people deny their
lineage, because that's why we got on the whole passing thing.
It's like that's the, that's the worst thing you could ever do is
deny where you came from. Yep. So I mean, I can say, I believe,
as Trump said, there's good people on both sides. But what I
mean by that is, you could be a student of history or former
like, I mean, okay, so I found out today, my great great, great
grandfather fought on the side of the Confederate. I wouldn't
want him to be canceled. No, I mean, I mean, I wouldn't want
now what I celebrate it, I'm not sure. But I can't condemn
anybody that wants to celebrate their lineage. I can't, I will
not. I hope that hope that brings some further
understanding to why I met but when I say use the word
terrorist, I'm going by the debt, the rights definition of
when they throw the word around terrorists or treasonous, or
those kinds of things. So that's that's the point. I'm trying
I can't wait for the first mo facts meet up in Virginia. I'm
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Something like that. Yeah,
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javelin from cod What's that Call of Duty? Yeah, brother.
Kim.
I just got a mental picture the nerds are there with the with
the Javelin
takes a little further GB ml give blacks missile launchers.
Okay, Adam, if you want one you'll have to settle for a
harpoon gun named Dylan. This is a das only the white guy gets
gypped on this I got a harpoon gun. Also, harpoon gun named
Dylan sounds like a fan fiction version of A Fish Called Wanda.
Anyway question from always says what are your thoughts on the
Redskins? Finally caving on a name change? Do you like any of
the rumored replacements?
Okay, let me break down this whole risking thing just give
like in a minute. I think the owner Schneider uses as
opportunity to use social pressure to change the name. The
inside baseball on that is he will not be allowed to bring the
team within Washington DC city limits until he changed the name
which he has his eye on the RFA. RFK old stadium so I think he
uses this coverage to his loyal fans is hey, what am I doing? My
hands are tied. I had to change the name. You know, Nike took
the apparel off and a couple other companies to their
parallel until they changed the name but I think they should
change the name to it just Washington DC Yeah, leave it at
that. I mean that way I mean is what what was
interesting is is the National Association of a Native American
caregivers or caretakers or something? I was reading a whole
article the most American Indians I think they would like
to be called. They didn't like it no one asked us like bullcrap
do some strong warrior they love that and they have no problem
with it.
Let me give you a little insight on that there are some tribes
that are getting their pockets line and other tribe they're not
and
that's all it always comes down to that of course all right. All
right now he says for Adam can you actually name the team he
says can but I guess he names can plays for yeah is the
Patriots Am I wrong?
Yes. Okay. Can you say you don't know sports?
Exactly. Anyway, can the pastor's blessed me and Elisa
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monad them not only is 3333 the magic number it also represents
33 1/3 RPM for vinyl records. I've enjoyed hearing a different
perspective on Kanye, Tupac and others in your podcast. It's
given me a greater understanding and appreciation of music from
Athos artists a few weeks ago, I was visiting Tyron North Tyronn
Tyron. Oh, try on I'm sorry. I know Canada, I don't know try
him. Try on North Carolina, which happens to be the
birthplace of Nina Simone. Turns out, she was an outspoken civil
rights activist who was both a friend and neighbor to Malcolm
X. Now when I listened to Nina Simone in concert, the Civil
Rights overtones which seemed to be lost and much of the audience
on the record, are glaringly obvious to me. I'd love to hear
some more episodes explore the role and impact of music on the
civil rights movement. But for now, I'm sure there are higher
priorities. Either way, I'll still be listening thanks again
for all the value you give that that's that is I love Nina
Simone. Two years Dame Jennifer Jennifer Buchanan the new studio
sounds great. Yes, Mo your sound is fantastic now it's nice and
quiet. Glad the move went well. I'll keep propagating the food
for thought. I definitely made some progress on my last no
agenda meet up in June to be honest, it's an easy sell with
excellent material that you keep presenting XOXO Dame Jennifer,
thank you damn, Jennifer, and she already helps us so much.
And I was gonna say that that's not the only value that she
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Jennifer.
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that it always starts with black people. Well, even alien
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black folks can distinguish between a racist and a hole went
out in the in the world when I run into a white jerk I think a
hole but if I was treated the same and I was black, I might
think racist.
Yeah, we can. I would think so. Easy. Yeah.
And I don't think you're always looking to see if someone's
racist. You see if someone's in a hole before anything. I would
borrow a chance to get a hold and racist marker she
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the Fourth of July show Moe you continue to enlighten the
masses. I'm embarking on some new books based off the show.
We'll be starting Malcolm's autobiography once it arrives
and digging into the Black Panthers. After that we were all
lied to in school. Hey, join the party. Andrew. I asked this
question to producer Jim during the GBG show, why is no one ever
asked the question as to why Sharpton and Jackson had been
able to operate in complete safety for the last 40 years,
but Malcolm King seals Newton, Evers, etc who were all for
progression of the black community were either
assassinated or put in prison. I pause for most comment
or you not an asset to yourself. We don't want progress we want
you know, we want to pull a pond not progress.
Ponds not progress. There you go. On a side note, have you
watched Malcolm X Docu series on Netflix? The gentleness? Is it
good? I have not watched it yet. Is it good?
Yes, it is. It's depressing, but it's good. Okay, good.
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that you is Mr. George Soros. With a number of $200 million
press release, Open Society Foundations announced $220
million for building power in black communities. To support
this nation's historic movement towards racial justice. The Open
Society Foundations today is announcing investments totaling
$220 million in emerging organizations and leaders
building power and black communities across the country,
placing a bet on their ability to carry today's momentum toward
a better tomorrow. The largest share of the support 150 million
will be through a set of five year grants to black LED justice
organizations that helped to create and now sustain the
momentum towards racial equality. Open society's
response reflects our conviction that real progress requires
sustained support over many years and letting leaders
accountable to impacted communities shaped the path
forward. Quote, It is inspiring and powerful to experience this
transformational moment in the Racial Justice Movement said
Open Society Foundations President Patrick Gaspard we're
honored to be able to carry on the vital work of fighting for
rights, dignity and equity for oppressed people the world over
started by our founder and chair George Soros.
Yes, this show would have been two hours long had I not tossed
that one into into Mo's lap.
Yeah, we probably got a lot of students. Thank you, Adam. But
200 plus million dollars and gas bar, the guy that runs open
society. You remember when Joe Biden said to you if you're not
you're not black if you don't vote for Joe Biden? Yes, I
recall he he came out with a very simple sympathetic towards
Joe. And now understand why because they were going to kick
out $200 million to get Joe elected.
Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. 220 Actually,
yep. Right to so 220 That's amazing. And they're gonna go to
I just can't get my head around that number. That's, that's a
lot of freaking money. And like, where's it going to? Who are
these groups? These justice groups? Of course, they're going
to getting the source this does it like because we've covered
that in previous shows where George Soros is enjoying getting
non white or left leaning white district attorneys preferably
Yes, female we just
got one in Austin, although not female, but there was huge
$600,000 That came from Soros political action committee that
helped the new da
Yes, so that mean that's that's Sorrell sisters all day and you
spell that dollar sign o r o dollar sign. dollar sign. And I
dollars. I mean $1 sign dollar sign, dollar sign T $1 sign. So
that's enough dollar signs for you that's Soro sisters, that's
how you spell this, right? Because there's, there's all
there, that's all there about is their dollars at the end of the
day. And you can see this brand, this black branding that Patrice
alluded to, in her previous clip is about just giving cover for
these corporations and these quasi governmental
agents office. So part of it is licensing. I mean, it really is
not just moral licensing, but actual licensing. And believe
me, black, black Inc, has it has it locked down locked up. This
really, these nonprofits, I've looked into them. And I don't
know, if you want to go into a mo or what we need to discuss.
But these, these very small to person nonprofits, similar to
the Patrisse, Cullors, kind of initial Black Lives Matter
startup, then there's a larger organization, which is more of a
clearing house. And a lot of these organizations do that. For
instance, the Austin Justice Coalition, very small, they say
they're nonprofit, but they're not really they have a, what
they call a, there's a special kind of agreement, which I
questioned if that should be legal or not, where a bigger
nonprofit with all the back office can actually do all that
work for you. But you give them money to them. And they can if
they want earmark some of it, according to the agreement to go
for other things. And it's also it's just completely goggles
carry goggles.
It's nuts. The thing is, it's so not transparent.
All right. I know, I know. I don't know what, let's get into
the second clip about open society. And now like the
mission that is written it is read by James Jennifer. Yes,
we recognize that the struggle to dismantle systemic racism is
an ongoing one. It has existed from the dawn of the Republic to
the present day and is embedded in every level of government and
in our penal and justice systems. But the power surge of
people who have taken to the streets to demand that this
nation do better people of all ages, from all backgrounds and
in every corner of this country gives hope to us all. The
success of this movement, the largest in US history will be
measured over years, not weeks. And we cannot say that black
lives matter and not make a multi year commitment to a
strategy set by and centering black leaders and organizations
who changed America sense of what is possible, said Tom
Paralia, Executive Director of open society us recipients of
this set of investments range from emerging groups to more
established forces for civil rights. Among them, black voters
matter circle for justice innovations, repairers of the
breach, and the Equal Justice Initiative. Some are fighting
for an end to policing as we know it, and others are fighting
for access to the ballot. Collectively, these
organizations make up a vital ecosystem of justice one that's
poised to harness the extraordinary energy of today
and ensure it results in meaningful reform.
So there you have it. Soros is shelling out the cash. And when
you said this, when we said this over a year, almost a year ago,
people roll their eyes like all sorrows. Everything is so gross,
but it is not like I said, Sir, I was just drew the short straw.
He He's the
mascot to do it, man. You
got to do it. Right. Um, he drew the short straw. Now he's had to
have his name out there. But it's funny what organization
wasn't mentioned in that whole rundown? It wasn't black lives
matter. I found that very interesting that is it that
they're trying to remain?
Well, again, no. There's one of these nonprofits. If you look at
them, and I look at the form 990 I just forget which one it is to
think the second one on the list.
And let's tell people what that is. That's the CCC, right?
That's a carry cash Chase. Yes.
Excuse me. So every nonprofit has to report their operations
in the end is called an IRS Form 990. Now a very small ones under
$200,000 can file an easy form, which to give you almost no
information. But on the form, you can see how much money they
brought in what they spent what they spent it on. It rarely
gives you the actual donors and how that money comes in. And
it's not necessarily a requirement although over
certain levels it is, but it's all hidden, but it gives you
some transparency at least gives you an idea of what people are
making what their expenses are. And I have a pretty good feel
for these kinds of things. And there's one particular, there's
one particular kind of nonprofit, which is, you know,
we don't know the division either I don't think it's
equally divided, they're probably getting the bulk of the
money. And that's the type of nonprofit that has a bunch of
people who maintain a fund. So this nonprofit brings money in
its donors. And of course, it's the people who are running the
nonprofit at the same time, a lot of them are financial years
hedge fund people. And so they can all stand around and say,
Look, we did a good job, because they give the money out. So they
take the money in from the from the big sources, and they pass
it on. And that is, in fact, their charity is the operating
of the charity. So you can slosh a lot of stuff to a lot of
people, particularly if you have one of these financial
agreements, where your nonprofit is taking care of the legal
taking care of the HR, the payroll for the smaller groups,
like, well, in fact, some of the Black Lives Matter chapters, and
it's a pass through. So outfits, like the Open Society Institute,
can donate this money it goes in and you know, they could have a
meeting over coffee and say, Hey, make sure you give it to
them or to them. I mean, that's, there's no transparency over
that process at this point. Other than here's the money
going in, here's where it went in and look who's on the street.
And that's really what you can then learn.
Well, people are starting to ask questions. And one of the
question you're asking is how Black Lives Matter is being
funded.
Black Lives Matter global network foundation. That's the
organization. They get millions of dollars, but but they are not
approved as a tax exempt organization. So if you give
them money on paper, you could not deduct it. So according to
The Washington Times investigation, George Soros
since 2015, it's given Black Lives Matter global network
Foundation, $33 million. And on paper, he can't write it off.
But he can't. Now here it comes. So the Black Lives Matter global
network. Okay, incorporated in Delaware. Joe Biden's home state
has forged in alliance with a group called 1000 currents, 1000
currents, C U R, R e, n t s 1000. Currents. They're in
Oakland, California. They are run by a guy named Paul stress.
Berg. Let's see Paul. Far left way, way left.
I did a deep deep dive into 1000 currents. Can I depart on this
and I tell you what I learned? Please do please, I've been
waiting. In light of this show. Unless you already know this, it
will be quite shocking to you 1000 currents. Now, there, the
information is always going to be behind because, you know,
2018 taxes were filed. They don't have 19. So we really have
we won't know about 2020 until 2021. But they're about a six to
$7 million that they brought in. What's interesting about the
1000 currents is it's a name change, it was rebranded around
2015 20 1314. I can't tell exactly. And the executive
director was removed, it used to be known as the ID x, which was
the international development exchange was run by an Indian
Indian lady. And they they really, as they even current or
1000 current say they're really involved with the southern
hemisphere Africa with deprive groups, etc. But it's not
necessarily that, in fact, not very much about black lives
matter at all. Other than that, they do the processing for them.
But what's interesting is you can learn from the form 990,
about the board of directors, and, you know, if they're
getting paid at all salaries are listed. And I decided to take a
look at some of these Board of Director members and the vice
chair of the board of directors is Susan Rosenberg. Susan Lisa
Rosenberg. Have you ever heard of her Mo? No, I have not. Well,
Susan Rosenberg, born in 1955 is an American activist, writer and
advocate for social justice and prisoners rights from the late
1970s to the mid 1980s Rosa Berg was active in the far left
revolutionary terrorist may 19 Communist organization, also
known as M. 19, which according to the contemptuous FBI report,
openly advocated the overthrow of the US government through
armed struggle and the use of violence. And M 19 provided
support to an offshoot of the Black Liberation Army, including
sounding familiar, including an armored truck robberies and
later engaged in bombings and government buildings. Some of us
will remember if you are around after living as a fugitive for
two years, Rosenberg was arrested in 1984. While in
possession of a large cache of explosives and firearms.
Remember, she's on the board of the organization that does the
money for black lives matter. She had also been sought as an
accomplice in the 1979 prison escape of Assata Shakur and the
1981 Brinks robbery that resulted in the deaths of two
police and Nygaard. Rosenberg here it comes with sentence 258
years in prison on the weapons and explosive charges. She spent
16 years in prison during which he became a poet, author and
AIDS activist. Her sentence was commuted to time served by
President Bill Clinton on January 20 2001, his final day
in office, this is in fact, a radicalized feminist Marxist who
was doing the very same things that Black Lives Matter is
doing.
Birds of a feather.
I mean, did you know this? Did you know about Rosen?
I did not I did not I know about Assata Shakur and the bank
robberies? And
did you know that she was she is the vice chair of essentially
the entire operation of black ink.
I did not know. And Jesus, this is the
she's a machine, a communist, a Marxist. These are just nuts,
the same script the exact in some, it's the same people.
And if you go to the 1000 current website and look at
their logo, the O and the U is represented by aura bourse, or
the affinity sign or the snake eating and eating itself.
Holy crap. And so this the previous so what they did is
they they just took this nonprofit. And I found the
resignation letter from the previous executive directors
like well, you know, obviously there's change, they have some
different ideas. I'm leaving wish everybody well. And
everything changed. They just took this existing organization
and rebranded and there's and this is a complete slush front
front. But is it really because we have one of the most radical
Marxist people right here in the operation? And somehow it's not
really reported on that much.
And she's dealing with other radical Marxist playing the same
tactics.
That is your high command right there. Well, your high
operational command,
right. And the money he was saying the money still come
pouring in, like, Oh, we got our books straight over here. You
just give us the money and we'll filter it out. Man. That's
exactly. Here. 2011 Rosenberg published a memoir, an American
radical political prisoner in my own country. I mean, this is so
good in light of how you set us up throughout this throughout
the show today, most fantastic this fits so perfectly.
And if I'm not mistaking, I think their new leadership is
Somali lady. So if you want to get into the Somali connection,
surprise, surprise, I'm just saying I'm just gonna put that
out there. I'm not gonna
they never disappoint do they know, right?
But this the same thing was going on in 1966. And it was
uncovered by the John Birch Society,
anarchy, the breakdown of law and order, a chaotic Reign of
Terror, mob rule and rioting, the collapse of government
authority. These phrases rings strange in the ears of Americans
and for good reason. Through the years, America has stood as the
world's symbol for law and order. Our government is
responsive to the will of the people, our courts and
legislatures provide the mechanics for a peaceful redress
of grievances. And the policeman on the corner has traditionally
been looked upon as a friend, not as the instrument of a
tyrant anarchy. Well, that was something we read about in our
newspapers that was always happening in other countries.
Then in the summer of 1964, widespread rioting and looting
suddenly broke out in Harlem, in Rochester, in New York, in
Jersey City in Philadelphia. Cleveland, and Chicago, all
within a few days of each other. It was as though one unseen hand
had given the signal. The degree of communist influence in these
riots has been subject of much discussion and controversy.
Not any more than I love it, because we can just, we can
almost predict the next steps in the script. And maybe people
have this knowledge, they see this repeat from the 30s. And
then the 60s,
fix these and then they redid it and then add them it was more
cultural Marxism then, but now they're coming back around to
the hardcore stuff. That's right,
that maybe maybe we'll all get an effing clue.
And when you support these organizations now, be clear that
you're supporting Marxist agendas. I mean, I can't put it
any other way. And this is where it gets really juicy, not only
you supporting a Marxist Marxist agenda, you may be supporting a
racist himself in Marx,
because Marx wanted German socialists Ferdinand LaSalle, to
find me some literary business in Germany to supplant my
diminished income and increased expenditure. He cultivated him
with flattery to his face and contempt behind his back. Marx
referred to LaSalle spoke on Hegel as an exhibition of
enormous erudition, when writing to LaSalle. And as a silly
concoction. When writing two angles. Mark's added, Sal was a
Jewish nigger, based on Marx's analysis of his appearance.
Oh, hold on a second, we just show just got canceled.
We gotta cancel Karl Marx. Yeah, no
kidding. He's no good. He's no good. He's, uh,
he said the N word. And then he said, No, we called him a Jewish
nigger.
It's a J N word.
What I'm saying is either way, either way you cut that that
combination of words, he gotta get a bite here. What? What,
what are we doing here? And we know what it gets. We need to
get, we need a clip of him saying that? Well, I don't have
a clip. I don't have a clip of him saying this. But this is
from a very reputable author, Mr. Thomas Sol.
It is now perfectly clear to me that Ness testified also by his
cranial formation and hair growth. He is descended from the
Negroes who joined Moses exodus from Egypt, unless his paternal
mother or grandmother was crossed with a nigger. Well,
this combination of Jewish and Germanic stock with the Negro at
basic substance is bound to yield a strange product for
fellows in portunity is also nigger like, oh my
god, this is great. Karl Marx is very problematic. Yeah.
problematic. He, in fact, you're just normalizing racism if
you're for Marxism.
And didn't he just say the same thing that the football player,
the Sean Jackson get counseled for? Yes, for retweeting for
Hitler. Yeah, they're saying that blacks other Jews. I'm not
talking about the Anwar. Now go back and play that clip. Again,
he just call instead, the black people were the original Jews.
Yeah, let's be clear to me, that Miss testified also by his
cranial formation and hair growth. He is descended from the
Negroes who joined Moses exodus from Egypt, unless his paternal
mother or grandmother was crossed with a nigger. Well,
this combination of Jewish and Germanic stock with the Negroid
basic substance is bound to yield a strange product. That
losing opportunity is also nigger like,
Wow, man, this is so good. Have you? Have you really read all of
Marx? Have you really seen what he wrote? I mean, do you really
know how problematic he
is? Right? We could be we could go we could play that. Well, if
they tried to play the one hand, well, he's not being offensive
to black being passive tour, Hebrew brothers and sisters.
Either way, we got to get him up out of here, but there may be a
reason that Karl Marx is above cancellation.
Oh, my Karl Marx grew up a brilliant spoiled child who
bullied his younger sisters and taunted his schoolmates with
sarcastic witticisms. In addition to entertaining both
with imaginative stories. He had a swarthy complexion that in
later years earned him the nickname The more a name used
far more often in his inner circle, including his children
than was his real name.
Okay. You rang the bell on swarthy and I just happened to
know why you rang the bell because we bow studied this word
recently. Yes. And it was
called the more yes marks the more marks.
Wait a minute, was marked black. He was Swansea swarthy.
Well, for people that don't know this get the etymology. Oh
Swathi from chronicles of Judah 144.
All right now we're looking at swarthy Flora the dark colored,
especially of skin. All right, so now, now Benjamin Franklin,
he called the German swarthy. Now what Germans do you know
today when you once again, when you think of German, don't you
think of Caucasian people with blond hair and blue eyes?
swarthy dark Scotland especially of skin 1580s unexplained
alteration of swarthy from Swart. Related swappiness. Now
the next one, shots, also Shazza black person, somewhat
derogatory. 1961 yidishe from shots black, see swarthy now now
for the people who try to gain says Oh, no, when he says
swarthy, it's just talking about now why is it that when that
when it says black it says, See Swati?
I looked it up and we were reading an article about women
in Elizabethton times, getting this really white makeup to put
on the face, because they might have not been white enough at
the time to be part of the bloodline, and were thus seen as
swarthy smarts as black it's fantastic. No one knows this
shit anymore.
We have he, as he mentioned in his clip that even Benjamin
Franklin refer to the Germans as swarthy. Yeah, and and Tawny.
Which Tawny is more like a light brown. But if you go and look at
a younger pictures of Karl Marx he looks like Chico to barge he
couldn't even be L he's
gotta be Chico holy crap downgrade
now you can't write you can't make this crap up. You can't
make it out. So do we cast him or is He above counseling
because these kids that are black but nobody will tell you
that? Wow,
we've got this is that the rabbit hole where you said stop
we have to actually make a show. I'm just not going any further
than that is that kind of happened? Because it's crazy.
This is so good. But we tied a lot of things together here
while we tied to well first of all, the most important is the
total exposure of how this black trap has worked with the with
the Marxism and has expanded into any group now known as
identity politics right through to this to the actual man behind
the movement now being resurrected by Susan Lisa
Rosenberg for black ink. If this doesn't blow people's minds, I
don't know why they invented marijuana. I'm telling you, this
is fantastic. I really appreciate it.
And my major takeaway from this is Black is two things according
to Patrisse Cullors one you have a race, race or lineage which
she has says has been constructed and then you have a
political statement. So we birthed the term black ain't
here on on the show today
and proud of it.
And as I always say, pay attention to everything in the
true will reveal itself
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