FAQs with Adam curry for October 12 2020. This is episode number
51. And sounding worse than he feels ladies and gentlemen Kofax
on the microphone by Domo
I'm doing pretty good Adam, how about yourself? Yeah,
I'm doing okay now you sound a little bit a little bit weak ish
under the weather what's going on?
For my fantasy football fans out there? I was a questionable but
gametime decision we're going to play. So let's do this
big sports reference. I didn't get even a fantasy sports
reference. But yes. Okay, so we're doing good. Good to have
you. Back with me, ma'am. And yeah, I just had a Yeah, we had
some stuff going on Saturday. So here we are on a Monday, getting
ready for another mo fax with Adam curry. What are the
response has been from from our big 50 episode?
Mag got a lot of good responses. Everybody was, well, 97.3% of
the people. Appreciate it. Other ones, I got a few people saying
that, you know, about, you know, the normal atonement? pushback.
That's why we always speak about wanting to change the term for
reparations to tell him because the triggering effect it has.
Yeah, I saw a lot of I saw a lot of interesting feedback
regarding the legal case that you made, which I thought was
fantastic to listen to. And a lot of people I saw going like,
well, hold on a second. Now how exactly does that work?
And that's all I wanted to do was make the legal case for and
more than make the Case for Reparations, slash its home
itself is the make the understanding of the political
ramifications that this demand has. And hopefully people
understand. This is why, quote unquote, black people need their
own Alpha men need their own data and designation. So that's
why that's why I took from it.
Well, I think I think you definitely got a lot of people
thinking and, and that's always good. And it was it was
interesting. Just all we want to do. Yeah. That's how we do the
work.
All right. Without further ado, let's find out what the topic is
for de facto with Adam curry, episode number 51. Round around
the wheel of topics goes where it stops, nobody knows. Well,
Moe knows. Let's find out. Now. What is the topic for episode
number 51?
Safe white spaces?
Safe white spaces? Okay. I'm very curious to see where you're
going to take us today. Mo.
So where are we going today is that in the episode, Last
episode, we wrapped up with the demand being integration, or
that's what the media narrative was that we want to integration,
we were pushing for integration. And I kind of want to push back
against that because one, we never got integration. What we
ended up getting was a simulation. And two, that was
not the demand of everybody. And this is another narrative. And
this is what we do here. We tear down narratives. First we look
at what's the source of the narrative, and then what was the
actual temperature of the people at that time? So it's gonna be a
zigzag, you know, we be windy road, but we'll get there at the
end. So I have this piece I found out from Jeff Glor, I
think that's CBS and he had Calvin bacon Baker, excuse me,
Calvin Baker, who's a novelist, which that's important. And he
they discuss his book more perfect reunion.
This morning, we continue our promise to focus on at least one
new book a week during the pandemic. Today more perfect
reunion by Calvin Baker. Baker is an acclaimed novelist, but
for this book, he took a different approach, blending
history, style and remarkably powerful ideas at the core of
our nation. A more perfect reunion is Baker's clarion call
for America.
Someone's Live me to this moment about race. I think race is
stupid. What does that
mean? Racist, stupid.
We all know that race is an invention. You right?
There's no Given a race problem in America, explain that.
It's an integration problem.
Beginning in 1774, the founders of this nation began meeting for
the Continental Congress, writing what would become the
blueprint for the United States of America. Most recognized
slavery was at odds with democracy, about the economics
of the South and the need for a union to defeat England led to
what Calvin Baker says was the original, unconscionable
compromise,
or wonder what the founders would say if they came back and
they saw this? Like, we wouldn't think they'd say we made a mess.
I think they'd say, this was not what we intended.
Baker's book, a more perfect reunion is titled so he says,
because the first union never actually happened.
Now, which Baker was this? I got Jeff Glor, but which Baker was
this? This is
Calvin Baker.
Oh, Calvin Baker.
Yeah. And he's not a historian. He's a novelist. I can't not
saying that. novelists can't write a history book. But no,
that's not what this is. This is another narrative driven piece.
He's a fine. He's a fine subject from Chicago. And the Chicago
University System, my Dad
Oh, I
got to being right off the bat. Okay.
Yeah, we met we know what the Chicago is all about. But he's
book. It's about his book is a blend of history, style and
remarkable ideas at the core of the nation's to analyze
America's failure at race, racial integration. So his point
straight off is about integration. And he's big on
narrative. And as you can hear in this next clip, he's gonna
put it right out there
for integration has always been the real goal of civil rights in
America. If you read about the founding error there
abolitionist even, who said, Well, we've got to emancipate
the enslaved people. And the question is immediately, how do
you integrate them? And that's where everyone stops.
Baker argues the United States is trying to handle the question
of integration in four stages. The Continental Congress, we
mentioned they basically punted the Civil War of the 1860s,
which led to emancipation but not equality, the Civil Rights
Act of 1964, a government program with real drive that
made significant of incomplete inroads. And right now, Lincoln
before the Civil War is tacitly telling us how they can keep
slavery,
right? But it's an awakening, right? It's a process and we can
change this mine.
If Abraham Lincoln had not been assassinated, how differently
would have gone?
I don't think we've ever really talked about the integration
concept. And it's interesting to hear this because I've never
really, if it was emancipation. And I think that's where
everybody dropped. It was never even thinking about integration,
where the
integration part was always the narrative push, how do we
integrate our assimilate these black people into America
society right now, and a couple of things here. Jeff Glor, used
the word tacitly, he said, Lincoln tacitly told us out that
they could keep slavery if you know, to save the Union. But if
you look at the words tacitly it means in a tacit manner, done in
silence or implied
without being directly. It's like Wink, wink, but
as we know, here, right, as we know, here, that's not how it
works, no. And he asked, how would it be different? So what
we want to do is we need to jump down to clip number seven, and
then come back to number six, we would
have gotten to where we are now, at the turn 100 years ago.
Where are we now, compared to where we were when the Civil
Rights Act was passed?
I think the will and that moment to change was sharper, more
focused. People understood what they had to do. They had some
the will to do it. You had broad alliances of people who said
we're going to do this and this is what it's going to look like.
Now. We are I think we're still looking for a complete language.
Baker's book takes big shots. If the America we think we created
you write about New York City, which is seen as the great
melting pot. You say it's not
we live adjacent to one another. We're not really right. So we
walk down the street, and like this kind of witness kind of
feeling this kind of person, this kind of person,
residentially, we live, and we live in different, segregated,
segregated.
So it's a lot to unpack there. First of all, he couldn't even
say the word or segregate. Notice that boy had to like he
had to lead him on. And then he talks about this broad alliance
of people deciding what broad Alliance. And finally, he said,
we would have got what we have now 100 years earlier. No,
that's all narrative BS, especially from what we explored
about an honest ape. Even it'll the last show. But I want to
show before we go into it, because I have that throwback
clip just to refresh people's minds of Honest Abe and what he
really thought when he really thought about slavery. I want to
jump to the end of this segment, and show you how dangerous and
for lack of better word infectious narrative is.
This book that Michelle not just deals with the big issue, the
biggest issues, but it's also beautifully written. Calvin just
he has a way with words, so highly recommended. And
listening
to him, it's somewhat angers me a great deal to think that 100
years ago, we could be could have taken care of this stuff.
Like yeah, yeah. Yeah. It's a lot to think about. Hopefully,
we will do the business of this work.
Oh, let's do the business of this work. That's a whole new
twist. How you doing the work. I'm doing the business of the
work, my friend doing
the business to help.
Boom shakalaka I like that. You see
how she took his narrative and just ran with as fat all we will
be where we're at right now. 100 years ago, I feel so sad. Well,
we need to go back and listen to Mr. Jerome, Jerome Bennett, Jr.
and what Abraham Lincoln really thought
title on the book is Abraham Lincoln's white dream. What's
that mean?
It means that contrary to what most people think, Abraham
Lincoln's deepest desire was to deport all black people, and
create an all white nation.
It sounds like a wild idea now, and it is a wild idea. But from
about 1800 52 until his death, he worked feverishly to try to
create deportation plans colonization plans, to send
black people either to Africa, or to South Africa, South
America, or to the islands of the sea. On December the first
1862, in which he asked Congress to pass three constitutional
amendments, one to buy the slaves second, to declare free
all people who'd actually escaped. But the third one, his
proposed 15th amendment, asked Congress to allocate money to
deport black people to another place. Ship him up.
So does that sound like tacitly to, you know,
wink, wink, nudge nudge? Yeah, no, it doesn't know. But that's
what that is. So that is so that fact is just really not taught
not known. You could you could read it. It's not like any
secret. It's just as never really discussed.
But even as Jerome Bennett said, it's a wild idea, just to even
think the things that he found in the history books to be true,
even though they're facts. But when you're competing with
narrative, yeah, as Mr. Calvin Baker comes in a novelist, let
me remind people, and as you're gonna say, oh, it's beautifully
written so they can take a lie. And beautifully write it and
package it by a novelist or other people like Calvin Baker,
and then it just sounds so good. Oh, yeah, we could have been
we're 100 years behind the record. You know, what heartbeat
year in progress,
and how does that move everything forward? By pointing
that out and then saying, oh, boy, it sucks, just just doesn't
seem very productive to me.
Well, what it does is it explains away while we haven't
made the progress, and the only people that are that need to
have short record of progress are the people that we give our
vote away to. I mean, let's just be honest. Yeah. Gotcha. So to
have this plane away, you know, it was Lincoln and he you know,
he would eat now he was he would eat he went with his I think
they use the word he was gross. You know, he grew you know, he
was racist when he first arted out, but by the time it was
over, you know, he blossomed to this social justice warrior
president, which is not the case. And but this is why, what
we do here, we're doing the business of the work. We point
out these fallacies, and he's fantasies and fantasy is going
to be a huge part of this show, I just want to let people know
up front. This image that we have in this on our head of this
perfect nation on this perfect society, it really hinders
people. But before I continue on, I want to let Mr. Calvin
Baker finish up with why America failed to integrate it for
to bring about full integration, Baker envisions programs on the
scale of the New Deal, the GI Bill, and the Federal Housing
Administration. But in this book, he does not offer specific
policy prescriptions. He says, deliberately,
once you get to prescription here's what happens in books
that talk about the topic of race and society. We
compartmentalize them. And we start getting now we're going to
talk about education. Now we're going to talk about the media.
Now we're going to talk about criminal justice, I wanted to
write a book that looked across these spaces. For question, can
we live together? Or not? Do we want to live together or not? I
think
people can have different ideas on how to get to that.
Start with start with what worked? Start with what brought
us to this point, right? I mean, we are better off than we were,
I mean, as a nation, right? We have come further than we'd come
before. But now you've got to go the rest of the way.
How long do you believe that takes? When I started the
book, I thought, three, four generations? I think if we're
serious about the conversation we're having right now to
two generations, it's possible. So that's our grandkids
isn't a wonderful thing to leave them
well, that's kind of dark. It'll take two generations if if with
his with the with the Calvin Baker method or or I don't
understand
why you don't have a method and method he didn't know he didn't
have any solutions. But he said what we shouldn't do is do
things like the New Deal, the GI Bill and FHA. I pray to God we
don't because I did a little digging on those. Cato
Institute. I think that's a pretty reputable just I mean,
there has to be out front and I think they're right tilting
Institute but they are still credible. And title, why the
FDR? New Deal. Harm blacks. It says good intentions are
overrated. Franklin. Delano Roosevelt's New Deal, for
instance, has been hailed for his lofty goals of reforming the
American economy, and helping the underprivileged. Yet
mounting evidence evidence here narrative developed by dozens of
economists across the country show the New Deal prolong
joblessness for millions and black people were especially
hard hit. It's I don't want none of that. Right? This is his
illusion.
And if if I can just interject and say that point of view when
it comes to monetary policy, you know, like what FDR was
considering, all the way up to what the Federal Reserve or the
Treasury anytime it comes to policy. And that can also be
policy of going into Syria or Iraq. No one ever knows what's
really going to happen. But with, with policy, like, social
services, it's, it's, I just want to say it's not necessarily
malfeasance or mal intended. It's just no one ever knows how
it's gonna work out. The problem is people typically don't learn
from those mistakes.
Now, but when you have somebody like this guy, Calvin come out
and say, oh, we need to do like the New Deal. And the GI Bill.
Yeah, he
has no idea what he's talking about. He said, he doesn't know
if that's gonna worry.
gurjit tating narrative. Yes, my point is, and this is the heart
and you heard that lady at the end, do the same thing that she
just heard, oh, will be 100 years better, says who? Yeah,
that's what you're saying what data points to that we will be
where we're at 100 years earlier. If you know if things
would have played out differently, we don't know. But
they go and spat out and this I'll just read the title of this
one, how the GI Bill promised was denied to millions of black
War War Two veterans, and that's really what helped create the
suburbs, but we'll get down to that later. And then, just to
wrap up I have clips here for Mr. Richard Rothstein. Have you
ever heard of him?
No, I don't think so maybe no. Okay. Okay.
Well, he's assuming a senior fellow Richard Rothstein, who
authored the book the color law,
I forgot. Oh, yeah, no, I have this. Of course I do. I read
this book. Yes, of course.
Yeah. So he, in this next clip, Kal kLW. One, he explains how
the FHA was problematic.
Public housing in this country began in the mid 20th century,
in the New Deal during the Roosevelt administration. It was
the first civilian public housing ever built. And it began
as a project for working class families, not for poor people,
for people who had jobs, but in the pret Depression had no
housing. And it was mostly for whites and the federal
government have built the Public Works Administration, one of the
first New Deal agencies built the first civilian public
housing in this country. And everywhere in the country, it
created segregated projects, even where communities were
previously integrated. There were many integrated
neighborhoods in the mid 20th century, early 20th century, we
would be stunned if we were transported back to that period,
and saw how much integration residential integration there
was, for the simple reason that the working class people didn't
have automobiles to get to work. So they want to live close
enough to the factories where they worked, or the other
workplaces. And so if you had a factory that was, had Irish
immigrant workers and Italian immigrant workers and Jewish
immigrant workers and African Americans, they want to live in
roughly the same neighborhoods near the factories. That
neighborhood where he grew up an integrated neighborhood was a
neighborhood where the Public Works Administration demolished
housing and build two separate projects, one for whites and one
for African Americans are creating segregation that
previously hadn't existed and might not have existed in the if
that hadn't been done.
Row wasn't intended these.
This is facts compared to you know, narrative. This guy
actually says the government sanction and aided and abetted
and took action to segregate previously integrated
communities. Now, do you get the feeling he wanted to live with?
Do you get the feeling he's saying that that was intentional
or was just unintended consequences?
As you hear this next set of clips, I think it comes pretty
clear that it was intentional. To counter what Calvin said
about we will be where we're at 100 years ago of nothing, you
know, we did things differently. Maybe if the government wouldn't
have gotten involved, we will be where are we at now? A lot
sooner?
Sure. Well, but that was also at this point. You know, that's
just narrative. We don't really know. But maybe as we unfold the
facts, we'll find out. Right? I
mean, will will you go in and create segregated projects? I
mean, you can't you that was counterproductive. That's what
I'm saying. I'm just taking sheer facts. But yeah, it is a
little bit of reached here. spacejam reach part two.
And this pattern was created everywhere in the country of
Cambridge, Massachusetts, we think of it as being a liberal
area. The area near MIT was also an integrated community about
half black half white, the Public Works Administration
demolished housing, in that integrated neighborhood to build
two separate projects, one for African Americans and one for
whites. Well, this continued for the next 20 years. And by the
early 1950s, we saw development everywhere in the country, that
there were large numbers of vacancies in the white projects,
and long waiting lists in the black projects. Eventually, the
situation became so conspicuous that all the projects were
opened up to African Americans, and about the same time,
industry left the cities. And there were fewer and fewer jobs
for the people who are living in these public housing projects.
They became poor and poor. And then for the first time in the
in this about 1950, public housing began to be a subsidized
program for people who couldn't afford private housing and
almost all black at the time, and without jobs and without
hope without opportunities being concentrated in these downtown
areas. Meanwhile, the federal government was subsidizing the
movement of white families only to single family homes in the
suburbs,
right. Oh, man, the history is coming back now. Okay.
That's what a raw deal unless route let's bully you know,
flesh out this idea how the all black people get to the cities
in the first place. They came there to look into jobs during
the Great Migration, right? And then you take the jobs, move
them out to the suburbs, where you move all the white people to
there's no jobs and to see in the inner city, or where you
always ask whether this term urban come from this is it. This
is the birther, urban,
Urban Suburban.
I'm learning how you take the jobs and the nice houses and you
move them out. And then you leave. You say, Okay, black
people can have the projects, but then black people you want
the projects? No, no father's
right. Yeah. Then there's that part. Yeah. Wow.
So So, as you said, black black men or black people are most
conspiratorial?
Well, there's not really me. There's I just, I just thought
it was your What?
No, right. But what I'm saying we You see, all these things
fall in one domino after another,
you start to get really suspicious about stuff.
Absolutely.
Right. Was this bot design? Maybe? Or was it just
happenstance? And as you continue on, it's like, hold on.
We can't be that many coincidences. Let's just be
honest. I mean, that's the feeling. That's the sentiment,
be that many questions, did you treat yourself our natural
habitat of agriculture, and you know, rural based, you bring us
to the city, he snaps the jobs often under us, you move them
out, you limit our access to, you know, funding to buy single
family homes and homes in the suburbs, why you're catering to
other people. And they knew you had the projects, but no man in
it. I'm just saying, I mean, like when you stack all those on
top of each other, is very fishy. But I mean, but we have
to what I'm doing, explaining how it became segregated in the
first pleasure. Because if you let people live where they want
to live, people are naturally gravitate to, you know, what's
closest to your job where people align with them, you know, and
as, as Richard Rothstein said, it we're an integrated
communities without any stimulus to be the beast. Oh,
well, so and I'm sure we'll get to it. What and what comes to
mind is okay, let's just presume people are good. But this was
not in my backyard type of thing. It's like, oh, you know,
and obviously, kind of the literal meaning of racist
wishes, well, they're just less than us, but we're gonna hook
them up, we're gonna do good, but we'll just let them do it
over there. It's literally racist. But at the time,
probably just how they thought, and I'm not trying to say it's
correct.
I would tell you, goggles, but we're so close.
We're gonna get there. Okay, so sorry. All right, let's, let's
get into Part Three,
and the FHA in order to grant the guarantees the four bank
loans for these developers to build giant developments, they
never could have assembled the capital to build a development
with 10s of 1000s of homes in one place. On their own, the
Federal Housing Administration gave him guaranteed bank loans
on condition that they sell no homes to African Americans, and
indeed required that the deed if every home and these
developments include a clause prohibiting resale or rental to
African Americans. So there were many, many other policies that
the federal government followed and state and local governments
followed but these to the Federal Housing Administration
creations, the suburbs on a white only basis, and the Public
Works Administration and success, succeeding housing
agencies, concentrating African Americans in central cities
where they became poor and poor, created the Metropolitan
landscape that we see today. You talk about the image that we
have of African Americans, well, white families, whites generally
look at the way we've concentrated African Americans,
although they don't understand that it was We Who concentrated
them, we the government of the country, they look at African
Americans living in poverty, without opportunity, and they
assume that this is characteristic of African
Americans, rather than understanding that this was the
product of an explicit government policy. Right on
your question, right?
Sure. Does. Yeah, it does, does.
So you, you freeze these people out of suburbs, saying no, you
can't sell the government now. You can't sell them houses,
right? You know, the D dollar has to stay white. And then you
have no jobs in these communities. And then you
overpopulate the projects, and then don't offer the services
like trash and those kinds of things. It creates this image I
mean, to be honest with you that's that's the imagery we
have a third world countries right? Yeah, just can't get
together.
I mean, that's, that's that's unfortunately now happening in
every city across America with people, you know, camping
everywhere, same image, but What To what end? So this, let's say
this is a racist policy, it's clearly a horrible setup. To
what end? What What was the benefit to the people doing
this? What were they thinking like, we'll just, they're here
anyway, we can't, we can't literally throw them overboard.
So we'll just we'll just squish him here is that what that was,
is creating the bottom, you have to have a bottom and society
just like you have to have a bottom in the world, right? We
take all of our jobs that we don't want to be done here, a
are not taught here to the land like agriculture, but the making
of these dollar store toys and these trinkets and cans over
there. But
this is a bottom with no job so that it's not, it's not even a
productive bottom.
Which made it easier for people that look like let's see, we got
to go back to the killer was when you're saying, Okay, we
need to create people that. And this is an analogy I'll draw is
like, if you're I'm a Cowboys fan, right? Um, when I tell if I
was a true fan fanatic, I will talk in terms we and us and did
you see how we play yesterday? And you know, we did pretty
good. We sure that's how these newly inducted whites were. It's
like, yeah, letting them come in. Be fans of the Wasp, you
know, and portray themselves as white. And they you know,
they'll feel like they're part of the team, but they're really
not, you know, they're really not part of the team wink wink,
nod nod. And what it does is build this buffer class, or the
mud steel, and we're going to get there on another episode,
but it builds this buffer class between the actual bottom and
the top.
Okay, yep. Now, we have been saying that, yes, I agree.
So, what I'm saying is,
it's, it's everybody moving on up, stepping on the person
underneath. And if you don't have someone to step on them
find one.
Right, and the easiest way to keep the bottom clearly defined
if you do offer skin color, and so called Race.
Yeah, that does make it kind of easy, doesn't it?
Right. So this is the killer Wasp at work. And it's like, oh,
yeah, the Irish are we hated them, but come on in that Talion
we hated them. But come on in and now it's with the Hispanics,
Hispanics, we hated them. But now come on, in long as you can
portray the wipes the white, the Wasp dashing definition of
whiteness, their ideals, you know, their principles, and all
those things. And those you agree that the bottom has to
stay the bottom, you can't help the bottom. I mean, that that
will get your car revoked. I know it sounds very sinister.
But and it's not even this subject, the key subject of this
episode, but we got to understand how segregation
happen, especially in major cities. And what was the
solution for it stop think we stopped at three, we can go into
four. Now.
There were many, many African Americans in the early 1950s,
late 1940s, who could have afforded to buy those homes, the
single family homes that the governments were creating in
places like Westlake and San Lorenzo or others in this area
and throughout the country. Levittown is probably the best
example of eastern New York City and well known, many African
Americans could have afford to buy those homes. They were very
inexpensive. They were cost about 789 $1,000 at the time,
that's about $100,000. In today's money about twice
national median income, working class families of either race
because of afford to buy those homes. African Americans were
prohibited from doing so required to continue living in
urban areas renting apartments, either in the public housing or
in private market. And whites were subsidized the subsidy to
whites was so great that they could leave public housing which
as I said was not for poor people at the time it was for
working class families, they could leave public housing and
move into single family homes and suburbs like Levittown, or
Westlake or San Lorenzo and pay less than their monthly VA and
FHA mortgages and other housing costs pay less for housing and
these single family homes than they were paying for rent and
public housing.
Yes, I recall some of this from previous episodes.
So we're comparing apples to apples here. Man one black one
white saying family kids same income, but one had access to
move to this nice neighborhood subsidized by the government and
other ones restricted I mean completely restricted. So I
mean, I'm hoping I'm Lana's the integration part I mean the
segregation part out the integration
which, which episode was it Just for people's reference when we
talked about this specifically about the homes not not being
allowed to sell the home then it was on
the white white flag with the white flight when I can't that
was white slice, don't think it was white flight. But that, but
this is what Michelle Obama was talking about in her in her
O'Brien's in the episode herself of white flight. But yeah, this
is I don't want to harp on this too long because like I said,
this is not the key, but what you're starting to do is
understand not you, because you've been doing the work
you've been about the business of doing the work.
Thank you. Thanks for acknowledging me.
Now, what it does is if you've got all this pressure, I'm what
I'm doing is building this ecology of the person that will
take the deal of integration. If you've been suppressed and you
know, oppressed and forced to live in these not so great
conditions. It's either go back to their mind, I'm just trying
to make make everybody human here, right? It's either go back
to the south where it is visible, oppressive racism, like
Jim Crow, or if I stand north, I had to stay where it's not
segregated by, you know, your shear wheel to work. It's just
like, oh, all the blacks nothing together. So you have criminal
blacks, you have low class blacks, you have, you know, all
these working class and middle income, and middle income
blacks. Um, so now I'm just setting up how integration
sounded like a good idea on its face value when you get the
chance to move out, but there's always a catch. But before we
move there, let's wrap up with the last clip, clip from Richard
Rothstein. Number five.
So we created the situation and African American neighborhoods
became more and more overcrowded. As well as
depressed because of lack of employment opportunities more
and more overcrowded, because they were restricted and where
they could move. There were no opportunities outside urban
areas. As they became more overcrowded conditions
deteriorated in the communities. City services typically declined
at that point, less garbage collection, they became slums.
And whites looked at these communities and decided that
African Americans were slum dwellers, and therefore should
be avoided. But this was all the product of government policy,
this was not something that happened naturally, it was not
something that happened by accident. It was not, as we
commonly think, something de facto, it was a legal creation,
just as the desegregation of schools or the segregation of
restaurants, was segregation of transportation was done by
government in the 20th century.
Bastards, I tell you, where they think,
some guy he made that point, and it's gonna come out later, but
what we have to look at is people that say, Okay, we want
to separate but equal because there's gonna be a big part of
the show two people are saying separate, we're equal. What that
what the thing is, I want it to be integrated with opportunity
to these loans, opportunity to gi bills, opportunity to have
the same schools. So if you're going to build two schools, one
for black children, one for white children, they should be
identical. Right? But that's not how the separate but equal idea,
you know, and legislation played out. So it's not that we want it
to I had this conversation with my mother. And this is kind of
what episode it was kind of brewing after I had this
conversation with her,
okay. You gotta promise me do your mom's voice otherwise, it
just doesn't work for me. Please,
I was like, Manuel, I said, What was your thinking? I was like,
the white paws that sweeter white coffee that hotter? And
she said, ciao, you know, we just wanted to be seen as
humans. And I'm like, I can get it. You know, I mean, so it was
more of not wanting to be in the restaurant but allowed to go in
there. You know, they didn't want to be restricted. So I
think Miss, we oversimplify with this rule word counter. And it's
like, they were just dying to get a piece of that pie. Or you
know, literally are dying to get a cup of coffee. It was more on
human see me. And really the bigger conversation was, he was
the trade off. And this is where this is rocket sinister. And
just just in my mind, because just how we just set it up to
all this has been government sanction. So in my mind, they
said, Okay, you want the white school and no white books. You
got to take the white teachers along with it. It wasn't that
and then I say this because my dad was his last year of school
was his first year integration. So imagining Coming up. Now
narcissists tell these things, but Miss misses my perspective,
right? And it's kind of I went to school for 1112 years, we're
all black people didn't use wanna thrust me into this
integration experiment, right? When you could just easily bring
a load of books over here. You know, bring your cat couple of
cans of paint over here.
That goes to separate but equal that just ended right there and
said, Okay, separate but equal, but not at our place.
Right, which a lot of black people at that time didn't want
to go to white schools, no matter how they make it seem
like, oh, we wanted to be bused. Or, you know, we you know, and
this is where imagery and narrative come in. You know,
I've always speak about the little girl carrying her books
and white people on both sides on both files, is yelling and
screaming. It's like, why would I want to put my child through
that? You know, but, I mean, that's the narrative. And I know
I'm dragging out. And this is where the narrative got picked
up by the media. And this is a throwback clip from show 12
media MLK and civil rights movement.
As a story, the Civil Rights Movement had it all. Good versus
drama, social upheaval. But at first America's major media
ignored it, especially in the South.
It was our responsibility to find a way to dramatize the
issue here was
Congressman John Lewis says that the movements leaders realized
to bring change, they needed to reach white Americans. How did
you do that?
As a movement? We literally put our bodies on the line, you have
influence on the Civil Rights coverage,
Hank, klibanoff co wrote the race be a book about the media
and the movement? Well, race was a big story in the south
beginning in the 40s and 50s. It's just that no one knew about
it. Finally, by 1957, major northern newspapers discover the
drama and the story. How do you feel about integrated
passengers, the television networks followed, even major
southern media paid attention to the open hatred, you got to keep
the white and the black set and the violent response to peaceful
protests?
If you're gonna beat us, beat us in the light of day, beat us
weather cameras on
on gov. This was Selma, Alabama, 1960 Pa. Among the bloodied John
Lewis,
American people could not stand it to see young children. And
all women been knocked down by fire hoses and chased by police
stole.
Yeah, nice story, as I said in the beginning of the clip, nice
story.
But as I said, they had it all, you know, and he even said we
had to dramatize. So this is where people with a certain
motive. And they were being steered, I believe being
steered, I'm gonna allow some evidence here. That integration
wasn't really demand that black people were making. This is all
this is completely all narrative, if I truly believe
I've talked to enough older black people, and that will say,
hey, we could have went to schools and had the same books
and chalking, at least it was parity, they're not even if it
was the same books, but Okay, our books is like a couple of
years older than their addition. My dad used to say they used to
have to go to school and piece together books, just so they had
proper materials, the start of school year with so I mean,
what, okay, let me explain to you what I'm doing here on China
diffuse. And we always talk about the wars, right? It's the
gender war, the race war and the generational war. And this one
right here is an inter racial intra racial war between the
generations because the younger people look at the output not
use stupid to get spin on a hit in the head for a cup of coffee
and a slice of pie. I mean, that's what they bought it down
to know.
Well, that's what the younger generation perhaps has been
taught in school through other ways. You know, through the
through the stories they've been told the way it went down
the stories by who?
about slavery and
that's that by who by who not about but by who's telling the
story, the media led to show the show off the clips I played
right today with Calvin Baker. Right. He's just coming in to
write another story. Not facts, not proof. I mean, this is what
Richard Rothstein is peatland, not proof. Um, the other
gentleman is named Jerome Bennett. He's laying out proof,
but he's like, no, no, no, no, no. We have to indoctrinate the
children to believe that these mean white people Not the
government, but the citizens want it segregation,
right? That America was inherently a bunch of bad
Fockers, they were just bad people, we'd had nothing good in
mind.
Right? And then average white person is my I'm just going to
work in meetings, you know, live my life. So and but then the
younger black people look at the older black people's like, shut
up, Boomer, you say you were dumb enough to oh, we could have
had our own schools. What I'm doing is die fusing, and
unpacking this narrative. So we can move forward, in fact, kind
of quite how it was laid out quite the
opposite to what to what we heard earlier. With Baker, two
generations, if you if you don't stop this, if you let it go on
for the two generations, for everyone to integrate it yet.
It's only gonna get two generations worse exponentially.
Because that's what we're seeing. It's like, boom, boom,
boom, boom, all the way through the generations now and it winds
up with what you boomers were stupid, what the next generation
will be even worse.
And then we have this super weapon called social media.
Yeah. I mean, we're talking about television here. Yeah.
Back in the 60s with the media. Now you take this super weapon,
and loaded the net and load that super weapon up with this
narrative. And we're gonna be what? That's what this Facebook
show was talking about. And something I miss from that
Facebook show. I mean, not Facebook, excuse me Netflix
show.
I mean, social media. Yeah, the social. The social dilemma.
Yeah, social dilemma is casting spells. Yes, they actually use
that terminology, in which, oh, no, SIBO show, we lay that out,
you know, we were from the future do. Um, so what we got to
do now is, I spoke about how black people started voting,
democratically. And that was with Nixon and JFK and JFK, Bill
and Nixon. Now, you know, that kind of thing. But it was a
piece of the story I left out on the cutting room floor. So this
is kind of like a throwback clip, because it's from the same
piece, but we didn't really examine this portion of it. And
this is Jeffrey Frank, a senior editor at the New York at the
New Yorker. And he wrote the book, I can dig a portrait of
strained political marriage. So he's gonna speak about Richard
Nixon MLK,
and it was devastating. The most devastating thing of all for
Nixon, by the way, was it was an act of cowardice when doctrine
productive King was arrested on a totally trumped up charge, and
put in a paddy wagon and in chains to be taken to Roseville
prison in Georgia. Coretta Scott King called both campaigns, the
Kennedy campaign and Nixon campaign. So would you please
help get him out? There was the violence against African
Americans in the South in Georgia. That was horrible. And
she really thought he was going to be killed. And Kennedy,
Kennedy, people stepped up and Nixon's Nixon told his advisers
that I would just be grandstanding to interfere with
the legal process and King, it was it. King later said that he
had, you know, we were in touch we were I thought we were
friends. And he was it's a real moral, real moral lapse. And,
and if and if Nixon had done it, it Kennedy was sitting down with
the candidate to send out a campaign flyer that said, no
comment Nixon versus the candidate with a heart and that,
and if if Nixon had carried the black vote, and he probably he
still got 32% of the black vote, unlike when they when they went,
Republicans get like 2% of the black vote, but he would have
won, he would have won probably would have won at least at least
two more states and everything would have changed and
wow. Yeah. Hey, it's a question about this. Who was this again?
Who was speaking?
That's Geoffrey Frank. He's a senior editor at the New Yorker.
You know, I was just listening to his cadence, you know,
something that I learned from Dvorak, I guess, and no agenda.
But listen to how he spoke. He sounds eerily like John Brennan,
the head of the CIA, the same Katie, that was wondering to see
Cain and Ceman. That guy might be a spook, or hang out with
him.
Well, if he was, Well, speaking of spooks, okay. Yeah. And what
we mean by that spies, we don't want to trigger anybody. I mean,
because that could be taken
the option of spy spookier
spies. I know we have to do that though. Because we might have
some new listeners and we don't want to, you know, trigger. But
it's funny you bring that up because that made me start to
think when I heard this clip again. I said why would MLK
think that him and Nixon were friends. That's I mean, that's,
that's, that's a stretch like, No, you're just meeting somebody
and you're talking about policies or possible political
workings? They say he thought that him and Nick's good friend
now we know, daddy King Martin Luther King senior. You're
saying that had strong ties to the Republican Party, right? But
it was just like how well how did Nixon and King King Jr, meet
softhearted started doing some digging, as I always do. And one
thing I always say will tell Adam and just let people inside
baseball. I said, the longer he gives me to prepare, the better
show will be so this is why
I always say take a month mode, do whatever you want to go. You
just tell me when to show up. We're good.
So on this little piece, this little nugget, MLK Nixon won.
This photo of MLK and Richard Nixon was once taboo. Now see it
in Tampa by Maggie Duffy Tampa Bay Times, January 17 2020.
Griffith J. Davis saw the historic moment happened and
clicked his camera. Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. Emerging civil
rights leader fresh off the Montgomery bus boycotts was
talking to then Vice President Richard Nixon. They were flanked
by their wives Coretta Scott King and Patricia Nixon. It was
March 1957. Newly independent Ghana was celebrating with
ceremonies and its capital, Accra. Nixon was there leading
the official US delegation, Ghana's Prime Minister, Kwame
Nkrumah invited the Kings Davis, an African American audiovisual
officer for the US Foreign Service stationed in Africa had
been sent to document Nixon's first visit to the continent.
During their talk, Nixon invited Dr. King to Washington DC to
discuss the civil rights movement. But fears ran high
that the image could increase the tension of race relations.
This meeting would have been too volatile to have taken place in
the United States, according to the US Department of State's
website, Share America and the photo was not published there at
the time. The photo is being publicly displayed for the first
time in Tampa as part of the exhibition grift Davis and
Langston Hughes letters and photographs. 1947 To 1967 global
friendship
global friendship, this guy Griffin J. Davis. I'm like who
is this? I never heard of him before black black men are so
called black man. He doesn't even have
a wiki page. He's got a lot of archives of photos but
Right, right, and they said in there he was a foreign officer
foreign civil officer. He worked with an NSA ID.
Which, you know, USA ID
basically USA. Yes, USA ID, which I've heard you mentioned
before. Yeah.
Which is essentially the payment channel for the CIA that they're
closely related. USA ID. They're the money guy did the bad guys
for bag isn't big for anything that needs to be done.
So as they laid this story out, and it was read by James
Jennifer, thank you, Jane. Yes, I'm Jane. Um, as she as she read
what was written in think as the Tampa Bay Times, I believe. That
was all he was just had Griffin J. Davis just happened to be
there and snap the picture that captured this meeting between
MLK and Nixon. Well, I've had to go and dig up on the history of
Mr. Griffin J. Davis. Yeah. Griffin J. Davis one.
I'm Dorothy Davis. I'm the daughter of Griffith J. Davis, a
pioneer African American photographer, journalist and
diplomat, slash US Foreign Service officer. I'm here to
tell you a bit about his work. But more importantly, I want you
to focus on the stories that he told through these different
lenses. My father was born in Atlanta, Georgia, literally on
the campus of Morehouse College. He ultimately graduated from
Morehouse College, he went to World War Two, he was a Buffalo
Soldier in Italy. And he was a photographer there. Okay.
Now Griffin, J. Davis is even one that most interested me and
that we never heard of, which we should hear of, or maybe he's on
the up and up. Or there's something very nefarious about
him just being being around. I don't
care what you say Mo. A guy like this has no wiki page. That's a
problem.
Oh, let me let me add to that. Now this is a writing from his
son. It says from a personal perspective, David's parents
knew Dr. King and his father has been had been at the original
1963 March on Washington and Selma and 1965. Okay, so this
guy's Griffin de j. Griffin J. Davis is popping up. Now he's
working for the government. But he's popping up at the marshal
in Washington and Selma. They said during a conference
presentation, Davis shared rare photos of Dr. King taking a
night in the 1950s by his father. It sounds like this guy
was either. And he goes, he was at Morehouse at the same time.
That King was there after coming back for work. After being in
the military for a while, he comes back tomorrow and she even
said he was born at Morehouse. Let's not forget Rockefeller
Fund at Morehouse. Yeah, I'm like, Who was this guy to snatch
this, this historic picture? But then they don't show it until
2020. It just doesn't make sense. It doesn't make it makes
all the sense to me. But it doesn't make sense. Right? That,
like you say, everybody has a wiki page. Yeah, this guy
doesn't.
Yeah. And this is and I actually Griffis davis.com. That's
probably where you got the link to the Tampa Bay Times. I'm
putting that in the show. I'm just putting stuff in the show
notes. And yeah, that is, that is a great picture, by the way.
That is a great trick. Who else is there? And that's correct.
Okay.
Yeah, gotcha. Wow.
That came out January 1 of 2020. I think
it just came out January 7. So people think recovery history
here. And now we're on Earth in New Earth this miss up the new.
And it was how I want to remind people that we're not talking
about MLK the person this this get this clear. We're talking
about MLK the product that how he's used by the media, as a
trigger as totos, Bach conquista Judah one foot for
the Caucasian liberals have a lot invested in the image of
Martin Luther King. Martin Luther King is a trigger that
they use to control American blacks. Remember, remember,
whenever American blacks start to get out of control, they
bring up Martin Luther King. Because that's how they rein you
in. You got to be more like Dr. King, you have to follow his
message. Right? You have to want to be with me, you have to want
to hold my hand. Once again, Martin Luther King was a pawn of
the globalists, they utilize him to bring you black people into
the fold of globalism, aka Luciferianism. The economic
system of Luciferianism is communism.
So here's the question, though. So this is clearly clearly been
put out for a reason. I don't think it's just like, Oh, my we
found this. But what's the benefit of Richard Nixon? Who
does that benefit?
I don't know. And I don't know who's pulling the strings here.
And what it seems like here is it to me and this is just my,
just my, what I took away from I'm still processing this. It
seems like you had Griffin J. Griffin. J. Davis was like, Hey,
you keep an eye on King, you know, make sure he's no, he's
not getting around to me radicals. Um, that kind of
thing. And you know, when he shows up with Nixon, and that's
more a king we can work with inside the parameters of
capitalism and Americanism, and not that communist mess that
you're being persuaded with. And I think that Griffin J. Davis
kind of lost probably lost his asset. I mean, in a way, because
you know, he was I'm sure he was, you know, a Morehouse guy.
He's a Morehouse guy. Hey, bro, you know, me kind of thing. You
know, the Boulais thing. Yeah, but but I think that that's how
he was making and then now, when you have Republicans interested
in the black vote again, this Nixon story pops up. I don't
know where. Yeah. This is this is I'm just taking it. I mean, I
know
it's, I love this and I'm just I'm just looking at this. Oh,
his daughter put it out. She's the one that founded the Griffin
Griffith J. Davis. Archives.
Yeah, she was the one speaking in and video as well. Um, the
last clip that we played right before the Chronicle, Judas
went,
Yeah, so
it's obviously King, daddy King, and mixing the head their
relationship but Kenny became through and got him out in a
pinch, you know, when he was in a pinch, and I think Nixon just
didn't want to be bothered with it because like, who get 30 40%
of the black vote and just look how divided the black vote with
men. Right? Even then, I mean, Republicans got 30% and
Democrats got 60% Even after getting King on Office. So I
mean, just showing you so now we have to Look at the relationship
between what we're doing here we're building how they get to
integration. And we've seen the media picked up on the story.
And now the Kennedys see MLK as a viable resource. So I want to
get into a little background on the gentleman who's gonna be
speaking next. And that's Mr. Glenn Ford, and this is his bio.
Now joining us to talk about Kennedy is Glenn Ford. Glenn is
the executive editor of Black Agenda Report. He was the
founder and host of America's Black Forum, the first
nationally syndicated black news interview show on commercial
television. He's also the author of The Big Lie and analysis of
US media coverage of the Grenada invasion. Thanks very much for
joining us again, Glenn.
Oh, man, that's another thing I need to look at the Grenada
invasion. Thanks for reminding me.
Well, this is where we got to be careful about color and colorism
and, you know, saying who's black and not black? Because
when you see Mr. Glen Ford, he's very fair skinned. But all his
life he even though he's a Marxist, I mean, he's self
proclaimed Marxist. But he's not a cultural Marxists, like the
people of today. He's like the old school Marxist, which I
mean, we disagree on that ideology. You know, I'm a
capitalist, and in the true sense of it, not the corporatist
form that we have now. But if you can buy one for sale for
two, best man wins kind of thing. Um, with that said, he
gets into this notion that Kennedy brothers thought that
the civil rights movement was a nuisance, as best
showing a paint a picture and your view of the world as
Kennedy campaigns and becomes president.
Well, you know, it's generally understood that 1960s, the year
that blacks of the Democratic Party got a lock on the black
vote, many people seem to think that happened just by magic,
because of the Kennedy charm or because the Kennedys were such a
quintessential liberals. And of course, they were not. But it's
much more more complicated than that, although the black voter
had been leaning democratic in those places where blacks could
vote since Roosevelt's era, many blacks were still Republicans,
and the Democratic Party was still weighted down with the
Dixiecrats, the racist Democrats from the south. And in 1952 and
1956, when at least Stephens Stevenson was running for
president as the as the Democrat, that didn't change and
the National Party did not distance itself from an
increasingly vocal and racist and white power structure down
there.
So the Kennedys, you know, they saw MLK for what he was a way to
make inroads with the black vote, right. And the funny thing
is now, it's like we're at the complete opposite of the
spectrum. You had two Republicans who pretty much had
the black vote. And they took it for granted, and it hurt him.
Now, in 2020, you have the Democrats who have the black
vote, and they're taking it for granted. Something like that.
We're all saying someone can easily swoop in with some kind
of deal. Yep. So kind of gesture, and and destabilize
that.
So well, Marianne Williamson tried.
Which I will say again, Marianne Williamson's plan sounds a lot
like Trump's plan.
It's the same amount of money now it's just number he put it
he put a platinum or platinum sticker on it.
Yeah, he put it you put the platinum on it. And I want to
say one more thing. 1957 is going to be a key year because
let's think back, that's when Nixon and MLK met. So it seemed
like they were grooming this relationship for three years.
And that's probably why MLK was like, Dude, you're gonna leave
me Leave me hanging in jail. And so when the candies came along,
he's like, I gotta get out of jail, because let's be clear,
his life was in danger. Yeah, being in jail. I mean, you could
wake up dead very easily in jail where he was in Georgia. Um, but
let's get into Kennedy brothers to
in 1957. With the desegregation of Central High School in Little
Rock, Arkansas, something really extraordinary happened. Crowds
of 1000s of white folks, many of them, women tried to block the
integration of the school. They scream, they hollered, they
threatened, they cursed and all of that was done in front of
national television cameras, a very, very embarrassing
situation for the President of the United States who was trying
to a I project the US in opposition to Soviet competition
as being such a liberal place to live and the home of democracy
and the land of the brave and such. And it was very
embarrassing. So Eisenhower sent in troops to Little Rock in
1957. And this had a tremendous impact on black public opinion.
Because this was the first time since Reconstruction, that the
federal government had intervened on the side of black
people. Eisenhower's stock went up in black America, sky high.
And so as we move into the 1960, presidential election, there was
great fear among the Democrats, you know, it's going to be a
very tight race. That Holy Nixon Eisenhower was vice president
now hitting the ticket may inherit some of that tremendous
goodwill that Eisenhower got, because of his intervention in
Little Rock. In 1957,
ah, you know, nothing good ever comes out a little rock. Always
troubled Little Rock. Amazing. Amazing.
I have some of the best barbecue I've ever had in my life from
Little Rock.
Little Rock, you know, it's just this weird mass. Like there's
just some notable things that happened there.
And notice the year 1957. So now we have Ike sitting in on the
federal troops in 1957. Until Little Rock at the same time MLK
is meeting with Nixon so that they have this thing pretty much
sewed up. Except for they fumbled the ball. They fumbled
the ball at the one yard line by not getting king I don't know if
that's because they looked at King like let he's not a major
figure or, and you know what they really underestimated. They
under missed underestimated the power of his father. His father
had juice and Atlanta with the black churches.
Now, do you think that even back then they considered it didn't
really matter? Because as long as they had the image of MLK
didn't really have to have the man himself.
No, well, I think they said well, we stepped in and Little
Rock. We met King and 57. He's cool. We don't it's let's not
upset our white voters. And I'm just like, I'm getting us out of
their head. Let's not upset our white voters by not overplaying
our hand. But we still have good favor. Now. I'm thinking how to
Republican and thinking. And they left the door wide open. If
I'm just putting myself in King singer shoes. Well, we've talked
about him and I think there's some things going on with him in
the background, but and his trip to Nazi Germany in 1933. But,
you know, that's another story for another day. I think when he
was like you left my son hanging in jail. Ah, that doesn't speak
much foreign relationship. No, no, I just think the Republicans
like we've done so much. What more do you want us to do? And
that opened the door for candidate to come right in. And
it was said and this has been quoted from King senior. He
said, um, my and I'm paraphrasing here, but it was
that basically my daughter Coretta is crying. And he was
like Candis, what can you do? And they made the call to get
King on scene from King Jr. out of jail. And that gave M. King
senior, the motivation to go out of sway the whole South black
vote to Kennedy can let's not forget the three peat people on
the wall. MLK, yep. JFK, yep. And Jesus of the wide variety
Yeah. That's who's on black people's wall. So that that
speaks that lets you know how strong the narrative of the
Kennedys was to the black community at the time
wow, that's so more narrative narrative is so much analogy and
so much so recognizable to
Yeah, what is narrative because as Glenn for is laying out in
the title of the this is the YouTube title of the show. I got
it from the Kennedy brothers thought the civil rights
movement was a nuisance as best I mean, he's a very steady
people. That he's like, God, I got it. What me? I'm just taking
liberties here but didn't get him out of jail enough.
Obviously, it wasn't because I mean, King wants civil rights
and integration. That was the big ask of their civil rights
was integration. And let's get into I guess, part three.
Certainly. This, this issue of their attitude towards the civil
rights movement they get. They mean JFK and RFK get a lot of
credit towards promoting and being sort of the beginning of
support for the civil rights movement and the legislation
that then came under Johnson. And they get that basically is
there at the beginning of the sort of modern version of
Democratic Party liberalism. You don't buy that?
No, I don't buy that. And the literature actually shows that
both Kennedy brothers saw the Civil Rights Movement as a
nuisance at best. Remember, the the FBIs spy campaign against
Martin Luther King, begin under Robert Kennedy's watch, he was
aware of it and as tight as those two brothers were they
talked about everything together, that we can assume
that John Kennedy was also aware that the FBI was not only spying
on Martin Luther King, but was trying to destroy his reputation
that the FBI had King in its sights.
The March on Washington, Kennedy considered a kind of a victory
for himself of literature at any rate, says that they considered
a good example of managed protests and that they
negotiated with the leaders of the civil rights movement to
keep the protests contained. What is that story?
Yeah, that's a Black Lives Matter of version. Oh, point
one. I love this. I'm learning all kinds of things today.
But the overarching thing is it's not about what's true. It's
about who has been stronger narrative. Who has the stronger
story who has the ties with the media, right, and the media is
pushing. I mean, they loved they loved JFK, how about
this for a sec, Griffin? Griffin? Griffith Davis. He
worked for he worked for ebony. Yep. So awesome. Family. Yep.
And I'm sure that it was important to have someone who
had that connection and could perpetrate narrative through
those channels.
You know, you know who I see him as, and I brought his name up
before but we really haven't gotten to him. It's the guy
named Gordon Parks. And Gordon Parks also worked for the
government, the government, little bit little be known to
the public. But he was the one that will follow route MLK, some
of the most iconic, not invulnerable, Malcolm, Malcolm
X. And Muhammad Ali. Some of the iconic pictures from new came
from Garden parks, and he was represented as a figure in
American Gangster as the guy with the big mustache. Give me
Frank Lucas, the all device. So this I think, Griffin date Jay
Davis was the counter or the No, the opposite, but equal to
garden parks. Go great garden parks books very, very, I used
to have a lot of respect for him until I found out that he did a
lot of snooping and spying and his camera was always in the
right place at the right time. Just like Griffin, J. J. Davis
has just an aside. But let's not forget, Hoover was operating
under Kennedy, if I'm not mistaken. And that was the
ultimate why you know, it's Hoover it is doing an
investigation of King not Kennedy. So that allow people to
even though Cooper was a black man, black man just waiting
for that one to pop up. Yeah,
I had to do it. While he was
and by the way, for people who are new to the show, Mo Do you
remember what episode that wasn't one of the early ones pre
20.
That was the color that was the color is my hours. I have to do
better about then. They weave in and out so much that it was it
was the colorism when I believed it, I laid that story out. But
um, yeah, so that was the that was the good Kennedy outdoor,
it's Hoover, you know, Hoover Hoover, the one who was
investigating Marcus Garvey and go down the list. You know, it
wasn't tweet Kennedy. Yeah, I mean, black people love JFK.
Seriously, I mean, my I mean, you could ask a lot of black
people where are you at with champion naked? They were they
were emotionally and psychologically impacted by, you
know, by his death. And actually Obama had a lot of remorse
reminded a lot of people
Kennedy and Kennedy, as we say, Kennedy esque features.
Yes, that's it. That's it. And just the way you carry yourself
with, you know, the wife and the kids and that kind of thing.
Very, very, very good politicians. But With that said,
I guess we could wrap up with Glen Ford and part four,
and it was a high profile management. So high profile
management that Malcolm X called it the Farsan, Washington and
railed constantly against those big six leaders, as he called
the Civil Rights pantheon of the time, allowing themselves to be
manipulated by the white Democrat in the White House and
allowing Kennedy to put the cream in the coffee, as Malcolm
used to put it,
whatever was judges their intent or motivation, where there's
some positive accomplishments of the Kennedy administration in
terms of either civil rights or social equality legislation.
Well, he did pass a modest, I believe it was by executive
order update of existing very modest civil rights apparatus,
but no, nothing substantial. He's usually credited with
creating the tone of cooperation, of non hostility
that would allow the Civil Rights forces to organize
without the federal government being a big obstacle so that the
effort could be concentrated on the real opposition downtown.
So if you notice, even the interviewer and I catch his
name, he tries to redeem Kennedy because this guy Glenn Ford,
just shot it. We shot him with the castle Canyon, basically.
Um, because he's like, wait, wait, wait, wait, Kennedy, we
got to save the imagery, you know, he's still a viable tool,
which I will say this knowledge just come to my mind. I haven't
seen Kennedy that much anymore. And you're good pilot. Cool.
Good
point.
Is it costly is problematic due to the women or people actually
no worries about due to race? I mean, cuz I mean, you used to
that was no, he was brought up every four years. And even
Presidents Day was more like about Kennedy, but you don't
hear much about him anymore. But
also did Obama really refer to Kennedy that much? No, I don't
think so. either. He might he was compared to him. But I think
perhaps the idea was to always to have to have a new Kennedy
and that's what Obama was supposed to be. Oh, swap
swap it out. Yeah,
yeah, it makes more sense chocolate Kennedy, Kennedy,
chocolate cover Kennedy and you got still alive. You know, we
can still parade them out and get them to do stuff for us.
Got it. Speaking of let's pick up where Glenn for left off and
he mentioned Malcolm X and the black coffee analogy with cream
so I guess let's go and listen to that clip.
It's just like when you got some coffee that's too black. Which
means it's too strong. What you do you integrate it with cream
make it weak. If you put too much cream in you won't even
know you ever had coffee. It used to be hot, it becomes cool.
It used to be strong it becomes weak. Used to wake you up to put
you to sleep
this is the point this is the danger of too much integration
because they become co opting. It's like yeah, let's come in on
now we're going to tell you how to run it. But one of the
greatest pieces of art that was used to push a narrative of
integration and we covered this before I think in the same
episode with no man no man in the house, but white flight that
was episode 14. Right? This is A Raisin in the Sun plot summary
one
in Lorraine Hansberry is Raisin in the Sun. A younger family of
five lives in a tiny dark infested apartment on Chicago's
South Side sometime between 1945 and the president of 1959. The
whole family eagerly awaits a $10,000 life insurance check for
the work related death of big Walter Mama's husband and the
family's patriarch Walter Lee younger, a dissatisfied
chauffeur in his mid 30s wants to invest in a liquor store. In
the introduction, he mentions news of another bombing and he
talks finances with his wife Ruth, Ruth and beneatha Walters
younger sister, both recognized mama The one in charge of the
insurance money. As the rising action begins, Walter tries to
convince her to finance his investment, but Mama's against
selling liquor. She wants to support beneath his plan to
attend medical school. She's also thinking about buying a
house. The family encourages beneatha to pursue her wealthy
suitor George Murchison, but beneath a find some shallow.
Another suitor Nigerian classmate, Joseph a soggy helps
beneath to explore her African heritage. The check arrives, and
Ruth reveals she's pregnant with an unplanned child. To Mama's
dismay, Ruth has scheduled an abortion. In the climax, Mama
uses part of the settlement money to make a down payment on
a house. Ruth is at first overjoyed, but then shocked to
learn the houses in Clyburn Park, a white neighborhood
lot to unpack in that clip. So we have this 1950s Play and it
ended up coming up becoming a movie. Sidney Poitier a Yeah,
play a very, very famous and just for a little inside
baseball, my dad actually played the role of Walter in a
rendition that the community center. And he made he went he
went all in on it. Like he did a great job. I gotta give him
credit on that. But that's why this story resonates with me so
much one, you got to look at it in that time, we're talking
about abortion. Yeah, we're talking about the the masculine
of the male figure. You're educating the woman. And
obviously Walter wanted to create his own own business.
He's like, Mom, let me open a liquor store. You know, she's
like, Nah, we want to invest in your sister education. Now fast
forward, we see the same thing. It's like, go get education,
don't start a business. And then we're gonna take the abortion
thing, which I'll pass on that. And then finally, is that oh,
yeah, we want to integrate. We want to go over to this this
area where nobody wants this. And this. This help with that.
casting of this spell of immigration will solve all our
problems,
which of course, it's exactly the opposite.
Yeah, let me let me kind of say something. One thing real quick.
When I say immigration, I'm talking about force. Yes. state
sanction immigration, I want to be clear
equality and equity, equality quotas, equity quotas, this is
the same thing.
Correct? Yes. Why are we going to bust you over here we need
to, if people want to be together, they're going to be
together, because we saw that from the route Rothstein clips,
that people that had to work together, they may actually live
closer to each other because they live close their their job.
This is really the community that way, it's
very important for for the times we live in right now, because no
one is looking at the record of integration. Forced
togetherness, let's just call it that way. And this is exactly
what Black Lives Matter and Inc, and the wokeness is calling for
is we need a quota, we need to have more black people, we have
to have so many brown people so many X, X, Y and Z in the
organization in the school in the in the neighborhood.
Right. And the thing is, I'm not even anti affirmative action. I
think that the way it's done is crazy, because one that was
really supposed to be a tangible for black people, so called
black people to make up for the ills of what happened pre
previous to that, but then it was hijacked.
Anyone who's a minority, I'm a minority, okay, you get
affirmative action, right?
And then to the problem, what I find with it is you shouldn't
lower the standards for certain groups. No, no, no, no, it
should be. If you want to do off population, this group is 13% of
the population, if you have 13% that meet the criteria, that the
other you know, was at 83 87% has to meet in fine, you should
leave those spots open. Because if you just do it by the sheer
mathematics, there should be 13% of their representation in that
you know, exactly qualified to represent them. Now, I don't I
don't I don't I am adamant about lower. I mean, I mean against
lowering the standards, because I Oh, you're black. Well, you
only need a 1200 an essay t what is that? I mean, really the most
pervasive form of racism that rises today, right there is the
lower expectations is the lower expectation that is a huge
problem. It's
the literal, literal definition of racism because it shows that
you think lower of that person by race.
And what it causes anxiety for people that actually earn their
cell wiring their way into their position. Me being one of them,
because now I had to prove myself that I belong here, you
would think it'd be the opposite but no, it's like when you walk
into a room and these spaces, and first thing people might
think is, oh, he's talking, you know, he, I don't know why he's
here. And no, I earned my way everywhere I went. And it's very
counterproductive when you have those lower standard. We'll do a
show on that. But I just want to show you that how this shaped
the minds of black people like oh, yeah, if we could just move
away from my own.
Right, everything. I think it'd be great.
Yeah, not not so much. But let's wrap up with the second part of
the plot summary,
Mrs. Johnson. The neighbor stops by excited for the youngers
move, but also scared of the violence the likely face from
Chicago is white folks. Walter stops going to work and he
drinks. When mama ceases deterioration, she gives him
control over the remainder of the money. She tells him to put
some aside for beneath his education, and to decide himself
what to do with the rest. We see an immediate change in Walter
and Ruth decides to keep her baby while the youngers
excitedly pack. Carl Lindner visits a white representative of
the Clyburn Park welcoming committee in the falling action
and uncomfortable but polite Lindner says he wants to start a
dialogue. But it's soon clear the neighborhood residents want
to buy back the House to prevent integration. Walter Ruth and
beneatha angrily reject the offer and ask Lindner to leave.
Soon after. Walters fellow investor Bobo reports that
Willie Harris has skipped town with their investment money.
Walters as well as beneath a share. And raged mama begins to
beat Walter. The family now in need of cash consider staying in
the apartment. And upbeat, hopeful a soggy debates the
possibility of progress with beneatha as I asked her to move
with him to Africa, to work with him to help improve the lives of
his people. at his lowest, Walter calls Carl Lindner to
accept the buyout beneath us ready to disown her brother. But
Mama insists Walter needs their love now more than ever. In the
resolution. Walter instead tells Lindner, they plan to move into
the house after all, as movers load the truck. Bonita says
she's thinking about going to Africa. Mama tells Ruth that
Walter has finally come into his manhood with hope, as well as
dark uncertainty about integration. The play closes
with the youngers vacating their apartment and going to their new
house. Yeah.
Yeah, this episode 14 is a good one, by the way, because this
was a clip thrown thrown back to that it's a good episode, listen
to it. They're all great, but I just remember how much I enjoyed
that one.
But this just reaffirmed even back in the 1950s, the black man
was the bottom of the bottom. Do you have who was supposed to be
the patriarch of the family? He's treated like a child. Yeah.
Even his mama beat him. It's like, like, and you know, he
couldn't do anything, right. And his sister was gonna be the
savior of the family. But this this, this play was written by a
huge feminist. But not going to go there. Well, I'm just saying
that these are the arts and we you start to see how Black Lives
Matter. Pink leadership was picked? It was Oh, yeah. These
are the kind of type of women we want to be. Yeah, these are the
type of women we want out front. It's the same thing. Who wrote
this? Who wrote this play? Yeah, these are the kinds of ideas we
want to push going into the 1960s. But fine, I mean, moving
on. We have Dr. Amos Wilson. He's very popular. He was very
popular on the black speaking circuit, the one I mentioned
before that happened in bookstores and, and things of
this nature and an author. And he's going to talk to he's the
title of this is assimilation and m s simulation and
multiculturalism. But what he's going to talk about is the power
of a fantasy
within the individual emotionally use an ideology,
which places the individual in places every survival in
question that you're dealing with an individual who has been
taken over and possessed by
to look at people in their ideologies, and look at what
place they are. The ideology The reality of this circumstances is
the kind of things we deal with the psychologist everyday people
who come in with fantasies and beliefs, viciously, ideologies.
And yet those fantasies, beliefs, ideologies are
depressing, destroy their families, make it impossible for
them to realize themselves and to achieve what they
potentialities would allow them to achieve. Where they are. His
games. Yeah, true words.
So what he said was it clip the clips a little bit his words off
because the things was taken off a VHS. And I want to say one
thing. This is why a platform like YouTube is so valuable,
because they allow people to upload these videos that were
taken back in the 1980s, early 80s, mid 80s. And, you know, be
recorded in history. If it wasn't for that, it'd be
probably on somebody's VHS tape VHS tape stashed away. So I want
to say that, but that's why I was little, that's why it was a
little choppy, I just want to find the clip quality. But what
he was saying was these people that are presents, his words,
not mine, possessed by these fantasies is very unhealthy. And
that's what you are you alluded to earlier that that's the
problem going on today. Because like, oh, you know, we need to,
you know, we have 4.3 black people, we need to have four
point 4.3 Black this or that, and that. And it's like, no,
that's not how it works. That's not reality. And when you try to
hit them with reality, or a logic, it's like, I don't know,
something is very jarring, very jarring
it just because it's embedded deep in the psyche. And I think
we come back to the social dilemma. Here's an example. I'll
tell ya, this is just my personal example. So I've been
looking at Coronavirus from day one. I've looked at all the
numbers, I've made my conclusions and you can listen
to me on a no agenda. And you know that I'm really not all
that worried about it. Certainly not now. So we have a big meet
up in Vegas tomorrow, and it's going to be 7580 people there.
And lo and behold, through my mind goes this still a thought
going? Oh crap. Will this be a super spreader event even though
I know the true numbers and the likelihood etc? Because I've
been inundated with stuff from the media. So yeah, it's toxic.
It's very. It's spells as you would say.
That is I mean, because what spells does is? It's magic in
one sense and magic. In another sense. Well, magic me in the
illusion, since we know that there's not a rabbit in that
hat.
Yes, true.
But when you see it done, it's like, wow. But how do you pull
that rabbit out? Not where did he get that rabbit from our
brain doesn't go there. I mean, for most people, it's just like,
wow, they caught up in the wow factor. And that's what you're
saying that these little things and even myself. That's why I go
on and off social media, I'll go check and see what's going on
and not come off of it. Because it has a sticking effect. Their
their tools are so powerful. Their narrative is so well.
Woven, that I go back to what the lady said, Now this is a
newscaster she understand how the media works. And she just
regurgitate verbatim what the guy had just came on and said,
Oh, 100 years we would we made progress 100 years earlier. And
she does verbatim in regard to takes it back to him.
Yeah, if I can, if I can, if I can interject, I have no belief
whatsoever that the news lady knows how hypnotizing the
messages or news is there. When I was at MTV, I wasn't thinking
about that at all. And we just deceived all the time for small
reasons. You don't know when you're part of the machine, you
don't realize it.
But is that even more of a sale? It's worse.
It's worse. Yeah.
Yes, they're there even either you can place it or a bigger
victim than the people in the general public. Is that a fair?
Yes. And that's why you see because you want to believe yes,
but that's why you see Cheryl as my son and and all these these
former news, readers, leaving starting podcasts because
they're disillusioned and they realize that they were part of
the problem.
Interesting. And that's why We do not pat ourselves on the back
as a public service. Because we don't come here to solve
problems or, or we are not come with solutions to things that
nature, what we do is say, hey, this, I'm gonna speak for
myself, I can't speak for you let people understand what both
sides are saying. And let them decide for yourself. That's all
I wanted. I don't want to sway anybody one way or the other.
But what you have to do is you have to one side is so good at
the narrative or the narrative, you're so strong, that you have
to spend more time digging that know, the core out, it's like,
we have to get to the core. So people can say, Okay, now
understand what that solder sounds stand with that solid
stand, and you use your own brain to figure out which side
you want to align with. And that's why I'm saying about
integration. Separate break was not even given a chance or a
choice, period.
So from from my perspective, of course, the stories and the the
narrative that I've heard and I was raised with, I'm I'm very
open, because of what I've been doing for the past 15 years, I'm
very open to other history, alternative histories or
histories that are not the same. So for me, as I'm coming here,
I'm here to listen, if I can, if I can tell you what my
experience was, or how I how I experienced something. But I
feel like this has been such a super education. And we are we
are following along with the nudge, or the spell of Malcolm
X. Who said this? Well, probably just before I was even born
first, the
white man and the black men have to be able to sit down at the
same table, the white man has to feel free to speak his mind
without hurting the feelings about negro. And the so called
Negro has to feel free to speak in the mind without hurting the
feeling of the white man, then they can bring the issue that
are under the rug or on top of the table and take an
intelligent approach to get the problem solved. That's the only
way we'll ever do it.
And that is exactly what it is. And I love playing that every
single time because he reminds me, it's about not triggering,
that's, it's not so much about, here's what I think, you know, I
need to be able to listen, you and you should not have to worry
for a second. Like when I was six years old, when we told the
story on one of the first shows, and my parents had colleagues of
theirs coming over and black family. And we were excited me
and my sister My sister was very, but I was excited like,
oh, this be cool. And, and you know, they showed up and you
know, suit and tie and wouldn't say anything and pay and we'd
both been screwed by parents. We both got some kind of story and
we never connected. Because you were to tell me oh, well, here's
what my mom would tell me just before we went in to see those
white folks. And here's how you don't embarrass me.
And then on the other side of that, I mean, just shot me right
there. Now you understand what the black family was going
through is like we don't want to seem like slum people.
Yes, of course. And it's the end. It's the stupidity of just
not being able to communicate. And so being worried, which is
one of the biggest problems with today's youth use with the youth
is triggering, make sure you don't trigger anybody, when
sometimes you just need to push through it to get down to
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I have wondered. Kyle continues what has brought the so called
black community to where it is today as the mainstream
narrative didn't quite make sense. I had heard pieces here
and there but your weekly Malcolm X in quotes, Malcolm X
talks have brought it together into cohesive narrative, which
makes so much more sense and can unite us instead of divide. Yes,
it's so and it turns out to be really easy. As long as you just
agree Hey, whatever I say don't get triggered by it and we were
we're old guys so we wouldn't get triggered by any stuff
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Stokes in the Plymouth Canalis Paladin. He began with Mo and
Adam wanted to share some personal and they just sent us
$250 Thank you. We want to share some personal experiences I
think could be relevant to the show always love this. I get
this as a bit of Warren Piece overs too long. Please don't
feel obligated to read on the show. Now we'll we'll go through
it. I'm about the same age as Adam and I am a white male. I
was reared through my formative years in Massachusetts up until
junior high. My family then moved to Kentucky where I
finished junior high and went through high school and
colleges. The transition period was when there was an emphasis
on American history and my education in Massachusetts being
a highly academia oriented state. Yes, MIT all kinds of
places. Harvard curriculum content for that age group was
about a year or two ahead of the same group in Kentucky. As a
result, I went through the teachings of American history
from two perspectives, which turned out to be quite different
and quite enlightening. In Massachusetts, I was taught that
narrative. I love how people are using the term narrative a lot
today, I was taught that perfect. I was taught the
narrative that we hear in media today where Lincoln was the
savior of the slaves. Interestingly, interestingly, in
Kentucky, I was taught much more of what Moe was sharing in
Episode 50, which I think is more factually accurate. This
may seem somewhat counterintuitive, as you might
expect the south to spin story with contrary but similar bias
versus what the North shared. The at least what I perceive of
less biased view, may be partially due to the fact that
Kentucky was somewhat of somewhat of a cusp state in the
Civil War period as opposed to being considered a true southern
state. A perspective that lives on with many identify slash
discuss the southern states even today. We're Kentucky is
frequently omitted from the list there the one thing that stuck
with me says I've continued to monitor is how the appropriation
of words and symbols to shapes, symbols to shape people's
thinking is so manipulative, yes, politically motivated. It's
always been troubling to me. But I think it's important for
people to recognize now he goes through a whole bunch of
examples, which would really take quite a long time. But
luckily, he gave us room to edit. So I'm going to edit to
when he says, this is a long winded way to say thanks for the
content, you're sharing monad and much like no agenda, it
confirms the perspectives I've held based on my own experiences
aren't crazy as the media would have one belief. And you're so
right. And I feel this too. It's opened my eyes to additional
contemporary things that aligned to what I've learned in my youth
in overtime. It's healthy. And I've asked my children now about
most age I don't think I could have been your dad Mo. He, I
think, I think he's putting me at a much, much older bracket,
but I, I appreciate it.
Hey, maybe your children's
maybe most children at your children's age. Anyway, I've
asked my children to listen to a couple of specific episodes in
hopes that it will admit them open their eyes wider and
ideally help them understand more of the foundation that
leads to meet having many of my perspectives, this all being in
stark contrast to what they're being taught in academia in
Massholes. Yes, I've relocated back and forth for the family
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Adam curry.
So I know I've harped a lot about on the sentiment that
people want it separate but equal, or there's a good portion
of people that want to separate but equal. Now I need to put up
or shut up. So I room ready to put up. All right, I have these
clips from a couple of gentlemen. And then a couple of
leaders followed, understand following the gentleman
speaking. And one of them is this. The first gentleman is a
teacher from Farmville, Virginia. And he's going to
speak about his specific experiences with the Board of
Education. He is actually from farm village, Virginia, where
you know, where Brown versus Board of Education had a big
rolling. So I guess we can get into separate but equal one,
when I first heard about integration, and heard that may
possibly one day be the, you know, the way things would go, I
had very mixed feelings about it. I was no more anxious to
mingle with white people, than I'm sure many of them were
anxious to mingle with me. I felt the same reservations, the
same prejudices, I guess, I'm amazed to say that any of them
felt, you know. So I was not at all thrilled over the prospect.
But as time went on, I began to realize that possibly this was,
after all, the only way that the terrible injustice is could be
somewhat alleviated. And so more and more began to favor the idea
of integration. But I think many black people felt just as I did,
they really didn't want any parts of white people, they
would have preferred if it were, you know, I've often thought, if
separate but equal had been a reality, you'd never had an
integration struggle.
Isn't it interesting? He's the educate? Yeah, that's just isn't
it? Interesting? How, if you just let people know, where do
black and white men come together, sports, sports at a
bar, you know, where you're hanging out? The minute you
force it, it's like, Why, where's that's where friendships
are made. The friendships are made in the in the, in the
casual sense, at least, that's my experience.
In and when you let down your you, everybody has reservations
and the reservations really come from the media and what you
think you know about somebody? How can you know about somebody
if you don't know a person is so as self feeding. And as he said,
he had prejudices itself. And the reason why it's such a big
deal to me, these are things I've heard, older people say is
like we had, and it's not about not being around other people.
We you have to understand when they ship my dad off to his
school, the school he left from and yeah, close down. Yeah.
That's so his children, they get a chance to go to his alma
mater, you know, his children didn't get to, you know, go
through the play for high school football, who you play high
school football for these things that have real life impacts. And
then you just jam people together, which just jam people
together in any sense. Any, you know, since the process is
negative, because if you're forcing people to be together
now, and I want to say this, this is the portion where we
might get labeled as segregationist, or blah, blah,
blah, but we don't care. Because what we're trying to do is
Foster, how can we be segregationist when we're doing
an integrated podcast? I mean, come on, put your head. But we
came together because we wanted to talk to each other. You know
what, you have an interesting perspective, I have an
interesting perspective. Let's have a conversation about it.
And guess what? People want to hear it. We didn't say all this
coming this season, you know,
black versus white, what will he say its crown pro contract.
What? Yeah, exactly. It's coffee and cream. Every Mac and jacket
here at you
know, it's nothing. That is we actually talk more about what we
have in common and the things that divide us. And you fill in
a lot of gaps for me, and hopefully, I'll fill in a lot of
gaps for you.
And what is the what is the number one thing the number one
thing that I think always connects us, our families and
our kids. We don't talk about them on the air. But you know,
believe me, we're like, stupid kids, man. Can you believe this
kid? And that's the kind of stuff we talk about.
And the fear of where we see these things headed. I mean, you
hit on a key point there. I gotta give you one of those
because you hit on a key point. What is The World gonna be that
our kids inherit if we keep on this same cycle that we're
headed. Where does this end? Are you going to race me? Are you
going to race Adam? I mean, like, or are we going to be so
are my kids gonna be so racially charged up and you're so
racially charged up it they're anxious around each other camera
conversation. Now we need to tell which we're trying to tear
down. These things that put up to the bitis integration wasn't
really to bring us together was really to to erase one or the
other or both. I mean, if you have sinister you want to get to
it. But yeah, um and we're hitting it straight straight
from these people's mouths and let me not stand in the way and
I will say one thing doesn't this guy site red fox
does very much very much like red fox as
they get into number two,
right people would have been I think would have been very, very
satisfied to maintain but just make sure it's equal. And that's
where the problem are Milton high schooler a joke man with a
couple of tarpaper shacks, which will unsightly and compared to
the farm bill high school, you know, this, this the idea of
separate books. So, so torn apart. In one case, a friend of
mine is supposed to teach chemistry man, the only books he
could get. He had shreds and particles with pieces of books.
And by linking up in his classroom, these paths out what
he had. By linking up together the kids were then able to, to
get together enough material to these books had been discarded
by the white high school some years before and passed on to
the black school. Now this points out the the weakness and
the corruption of the principal who was blocked this teacher
friend and not knowing the chain of commands a brand new teacher
went to the superintendency liquid liquid network, I can
work with that. How can I teach chemistry with this junk and
immediately got a brand new set of books to his classroom. Now,
the point of this is that principal could also have done
that, but it was better for the principal to report a surplus.
It didn't happen. Oh, gosh. That's like, Is that amazing?
Yeah. That's lame. So tip no, but
he was so indoctrinated with fear. Yeah, that he wouldn't
even go ask for the resources that he needed. So he was seeing
like a good principle and that he was doing his job. So what
was your job? We really have to ask these questions. And like I
said, I don't want to make this a gender, not gender, but
generational war. But in certain circumstances, we have to ask,
is this the best deal you could have gotten? Yeah, I mean, like
serious. Think about this. There's books. And I'll say
this. The problem with this is if the so called white people
are earmarking money aside and having books available, and
nobody has come picking them up. What does that look like to
them? Yeah, it's like yeah, I don't care. So then it feeds
into the narrative that oh, yeah, they don't want to do
better. And then here's this guy all he's got to do with ads for
books and he can get him but he's on I'll let our kids use
scraps. I mean, scraps my dog I said my dad told me I had to
hear it from this gentleman my dad was saying they were had to
go to school like a week early to help the teachers putting the
books together. Together Yeah, pages missing go look for ignore
this or that, you know, you know, books, whole sections come
out. They will have to mend them back together and yet and still,
the resources were there. So this is the Boulais gatekeepers.
This is why I harp so hard. I'm gonna Boulay. They say what they
think their keepers want to hear. It's like yes, no balls,
you know, yeah, well, no one no books balls we do. I'm fine over
here. But at the at the detriment of the children they
posed to be represented,
but that mo that's gotta be trauma, historical trauma that
people have grown up with to think that way.
I wouldn't say historical trauma because when we did the corona
episode, remember the higher ups? Yeah, they were saying why
are you putting them on a ventilator? Because that's what
higher up said, Why are you doing this because what the
higher is not. I'm not saying that's not part of it. Right,
but just do keep status quo hierarchy.
or
go along? Yeah, yeah, they just go, Well, I don't want to make
any waves. I don't want to, you know, that's killing people.
That's what
the German said in in the late 30s. We, we didn't know we're
just following orders. And they can hate ya.
See where it had that? Sometimes you have to question these
things. Sometimes you have to question What's the motive here?
Yeah. Why? Why don't you want to go get books. But let's not
let's wrap up with the last clip from the gentleman from
Farmville, I could
say to non instance and vulnerable at the same kind of
thinking it's better to report a surplus at the end of the year,
thus protecting myself and make myself if a boy downtown, then
to go down and ask for material that absolutely desperately
needed by the children just passed and look at the physical
plants would have told you what a fallacy What a joke What a
hoax separate, but it was, there's no way in the world that
any reasonable person could compare Mountain High School, as
I said, a small brick building maybe four, maybe five
classrooms, supplemented by two tarpaper shacks, which were ugly
and unsightly. There's no way where you could have compared
that with Farmville high school that look at Noten the, the the
outlying buildings were heated by wood stoves and one of the
teachers in addition to teaching classes, in addition to driving
the school bus had the additional responsibility of
keeping the fires going in these buildings at the white high
school to have a janitor. I mean, the disparity was just
ridiculous. There's absolutely no, no separate, but it was
separate. All right. And very, on April, I foresaw, I thought I
saw it, it might come to bloodshed. And I wondered if
worth it for any single person to die for something like that.
And I said nothing and always been separate, but equal, but
truly equal in a meaningful sense.
And I'll comment on this that, you know, we laugh about the
platinum deal. But I do like President Trump's idea of school
choice where the parent will be able to determine where the
money goes to which school and I presume you could do the
homeschooling, whatever it is you want to do, the parent will
decide, not the municipality, not the local school district,
and also really puts the school system on notice. I really liked
that. And I I'm sure it has to go through Congress, you know,
he could do an executive order. But now that has to go into law.
I don't see a lot of Democrats jumping up and down about it.
Actually, I think about it. But I really
indoctrinate the children. I mean, that's, that's
counterproductive to the indoctrination. It's like, we
gotta get him through this narrative over here. And I
missed the point of pointing this out. But early in the show,
the narrative is you were a slave. Honestly, a freed you.
Not the king. Yes, you you still have a rights. Right. That's it.
That's all they ever want to teach you.
And style. And stop. That's all you need to know, you got enough
information now.
Because everything after that is all we're still striving for
integration, we're still striving for integrate this,
this. That's why I'm not against the idea of integration. I'm
gonna guess the point of it being this solution to our
problem, and only we can solve our problem, no matter now. You
can have the platinum plan, you can have the rhodium plan, you
can have the ice, that bling bling plan, and less black
people become independent and solve problems for themselves
and build their own. It won't work. It won't it will not work.
Because it's just like, when you have children until a child goes
out and builds his own house and builds own family, everything
else. They can be successful in your house. I mean, like in a
career, but there's still gonna be something lacking. And that's
the point I want to make now. Do you need a starter money? Every
venture capitalist? No, we need our VC. That's what this whole
atonement is about is not build the corporation under structure
for us. But you do need funding. You do need the proper schools.
You know, you need to stop the narrative. And I want to say one
more thing before we continue on. It's not I was beaten up on
the precipice a little bit but it continues to this day.
Parents know themselves right now. I think that last year, we
had to do school supplies this year, but last year, my kids had
to bring 24 glue sticks to school. Every child in class
What are y'all doing eatin glue sticks? I mean, what is it for
lunch? I know what that is is you bring enough for the parents
that won't have it. See that because the person was too
scared to go downtown
and say I need some more glue sticks. Exactly. So
what they do it they put the snap burden onto the parents,
they put the the glue sticks and the paper and the pencils and
hand sanitizers. And then and then they ask for more glue
sticks halfway through the year, I might hold on 20 Kids toss
2024 glue sticks come on almost 500 images and roughly almost
500 glue sticks. And you need more. But like I was saying
that's just passing the ball. I don't want to be the teacher, I
don't want to be in the principal aspect, not too much.
And maybe you wonder why people don't want to send their kids to
the schools. And what we will be doing school choice episode. And
I don't want to make this a rehash of, you know, a set of
the Brown versus Board education. But what I'm saying
is, people in general, would rather prefer to be independent.
And even if you know what, rather than live in somebody
else's mansion, or rather build me a two bedroom home on my own.
Yes. And I would like to I'd like to add that the school
choice now Act was introduced July, I believe, July 22, by
Senator Tim Scott. And since we got a voting season coming up,
let me tell you who the co sponsors are. Them Lamar
Alexander, Ted Cruz, John Cornyn, Kelly Lafleur, Marco
Rubio, Todd, young, Kevin Kramer, and James Lankford.
Those are the those as the sponsors. I believe they're all
Republicans. So this is in the Senate. So far, it's only been
introduced. I don't think it's come to the floor yet. So it's
good that the President is pushing that but you know,
there's a lot of help is going to be it's basically just been
pushed off to the sideline, I guess, for now until whatever
important stuff happens.
And there's been a lot of good charter schools formed,
especially about black men. And, you know, in these underserved
communities, so we have to prove, but if you allow them to
not go to schools, that affects the teachers union, which
impacts you know, very deep pockets. I'll just leave it Oh,
enough.
The teachers union, basically just financed the rebuilding of
LaGuardia Airport. Wow. Yeah.
Yeah, I was like, what? Yeah, I
think we could have done some other things. But okay, that's
fine.
And I'll say this, and I'm gonna save some of this for the school
choice. But teachers unions don't even protect teachers
because they didn't protect my father. And I'll just leave it
that. It's not even about the teachers. I mean, like most
unions are not about the people they're supposed to be built
for. But that was the southern perspective. Test. He was from
Farmville, Virginia. So now we have this other gentleman, Mr.
Robert Woodson. He was the CEO and founder of the national
standard. I'm gonna Bob Woodson,
I like Bob Woodson. He's a cool guy.
Okay, so Well, let's listen to clip one.
I grew up in South Philadelphia, we didn't realize it was
segregated. All we knew is that our neighborhood was all black.
And we weren't even that conscious of color. If you also
people who own the store down the street, the black, the
Taylor, the restaurant owners, they undertake everybody in the
neighborhood and it was a very small street working, everybody
worked, blue collar, essentially, very close knit
neighborhood. Everyone had over four children. We played in the
streets together on Saturday morning, our parents came out
and the hucksters came around and I parents purchase things.
We had to go buy ice because there were no refrigerators,
then we had a coal stove. So the younger kids were responsible
for putting wood and coal into the stove and keeping it going.
And the level of interests in education was just profound. I
mean, I mean, even to this day, I don't think I've ever, ever
had such a positive educational experience that I did my first
six years, because school was an integral part of the community.
We had a black superintendent, black principle, all the
teachers were black. Many of them didn't live in the
neighborhood either. Contrary to popular belief, they were middle
income people who live elsewhere, but their hearts and
their soul Those who are into those kids.
As you heard, it was an integral part. And but we are amongst
your all and I'll be honest with you about this. We were lower
middle class, but I didn't know what. Because when you're around
your own socio economic status, I mean, like what people have
done the same, like socio economic status, you don't
realize how poor you are. It's only when you go to college, or
you know, and be around real rich people that you say, oh,
yeah, My life sucks. No kidding. But it's like, wow, like, I
remember it. Just as a quick aside, I met this guy, when I
fresh out of college, and we were working together. And we're
roughly the same age. And he was like, Yeah, my family owns a
house down here. And we have a boat there and a boat at the
beach house. I got to, like, you don't take the boat with you to
know that. I mean, my mind couldn't I mean, I understood
like wealth and things of that nature. But actually to meet
somebody, whether grandfather was like a state senator or
something like that. I mean, just certain?
Well, that's interesting, because when I was growing up,
and I'm talking Kensington, Maryland, in the late 60s, and I
think it's pretty consistent everywhere I've lived, it was
all kind of the same. But there was always that one family who
had the house on the corner that was bigger than you know, and,
and they were everyone was always weird, and you wouldn't
actually go talk to them, you wouldn't necessarily play with
them. Right, just realizing that I don't know if it really
pertains to what we're talking about. But that's not what
you like those families, too. We had those families too, but I'm
just saying, at least it was some likeness in the wealth
level show you meet people that a millionaire, super wealthy
millionaires, yeah. And you are barely like, I mean, it makes
you look at yourself and look down at yourself. And this, this
is part of this is what another damaging effect of sending kids
off into such a disparity. And whether we call the racial
wealth gap. I mean, when you start to see that it's like,
wow, like, they have like real money. I mean, because this this
phenomenon called hood, Rich, I don't know if you ever heard of
Hood rich and enough you've. we've ever discuss hood rich on
this. On this day on the show. I can imagine what it means. Yeah.
Right. So hood Rich is basically if you can pay all your bills,
and you got some of the things you want, and take a few
vacations. You're Crusader rich amongst your peers. Yeah, and I
don't wanna make that gut hook thing. But that I mean, that's
what it is. But then when you real, meet real rich people,
like real, real rich people, it's like, wow, and it makes you
it has effect on your self esteem. It really does. Because
it's very jarring.
Well enter. One other factor that people deal with today, and
that social media, everyone is trying to have that look is you
know, if you're so in a Gucci patch on Photoshop, and it's so
it looks real, you know what you're doing it for, you're
doing it for all the same reasons. It's really pathetic
and destructive when you think about it. It's called
conspicuous consumption. And that's one of their biggest
problems that our youth have.
Yeah. Why is white black, yellow, red all youth by the
way, this is not a color thing at all.
Because when they did the rioting, and one of the first
there was a hit.
Gucci Louis.
Exactly. So this is the real problem that these children are
having. And then they see it on social media, and a phenomenon
like mod sweet 16, cardi, these things start to creep over into
society. And it creates a real problem where if you know who
you are and where you're from, and you around people that your
or your peers and your father's around his peers. It's a little
bit more healthy for your mentality. I'll just leave it
there. But let's get back to Bob Woodson and strong on were
strong to
up until 1959 78% of all black families had a man and a woman
in them. That's a fact teen pregnancy was was looked down
upon sexual activity among kids. Everyone bragged about it. No
one did it. And, but if someone became pregnant, if there was an
iron in the south, they would go there they have so that the the
moral standards and ethical standards for people living in
those communities was extremely high. It had little to do with
your income. Many of us were poor without realizing that we
were poor. The discipline was in the community. I mean, you
didn't speak back to an adult. The thought of an elderly person
being disrespected was was just unheard of. And teachers were
never disrespected. And if you misbehave was quite, you'd be
spanked by a neighbor. And yeah, I got home, I finally got home,
spank there. And God forbid a teacher should ever have to send
for your parents. And they had to take off work. That was it.
And so it it imposed a kind of discipline. And again, it was a
discipline that had little to do with how much money you made,
there was a sense of comfort, a sense of well being, a sense of
oneness between the school and the community.
Wow, member teachers would spank you to back in when I was Yeah.
Imagine that now. No. And then the other thing he said was, um,
that he had a certain comfort, I want to be honest with you just
a little background on me, because a lot of people don't
know a lot about me. But I lived in an enclave of black people in
a small North Carolina town, were the only white man we saw
on a consistent basis until maybe I went to preschool was
the insurance man. And he would come around. And it was like,
Who's this guy? I'm not serious. So you I was incubated and miss
my own culture. And then I still went off to preschool elementary
school, and then that is still you know, I came back to the
neighborhood. And, you know, I was cutting arts friends, you
know. And then I moved to Durham, and we lived in a black
suburb. I mean, it was it was like the, you know, the lower
middle class suburb. But yeah, it was still a suburb, there was
a lot of working class black people. So you went to school,
and you dealt with school, and then you come home, and then you
had, you know, interaction with people on your own. And then I
went to black, historically, black college HBCU. And the
first my first year actually, I went to a white university. And
it was so jarring to me. It was so I mean, I'm serious. It was
like, What is this? The I only went to school four days a week,
and I will be back in my hometown. No, on Thursday night,
because it was just I was not having anything against anybody.
Because I mean, in high school, I had a good set of mixed
friends. But it was what I was lacking. It was now the cultural
things. And then when I went to HBCU, that that kind of restored
it for me. But like I said, when you throw these people into
these, quote, unquote, integrated situations, they have
a lot of psychological effect on people. No kidding. No, I think
there's there's not I don't think people care to understand.
I mean, when I say that the people just making decisions is
just like, oh, we fix we fix racism. Now on to the next
problem. It's like, No, you made it worse. But I'm sorry for the
long story, but I'm just saying that I think I was the last
probably generation that grew up like that, to be honest with
you, where it wasn't like a lot of a lot of it, you know, a lot
of integrated. Living a much you know, I'm not sure community,
you're probably right, you're probably right.
Cuz I think white flight stopped being the thing too. I think
that's part of it. Because I'll be I'll be honest with you, when
we used to move on certain like, the third house we lived in, and
DERM when we moved there all my dad said watch out for sale
signs gonna come up, really and dammit, seriously, keep calling
it and that's like, oh, man, that was
that's a foreigner. That's kind of a rude awakening.
I will start to hear now my dad prepared me for I mean, like,
but it was not in a negative way. But like, this is just how
it goes. And lo and behold, we're sales for sales. But on
the flip side of that you had a lot of a lot of black people
that were looking to live amongst black people, right. So
it kind of worked out because it's like,
Did you see the neighborhood change the neighborhood change
over time? Just in color.
I mean, the social that was the same man. Yeah, we had a black
doctor. We had a black guy that worked at IBM. My dad was Mama's
social worker teacher. We had some people that were you know
that worked, you know, doing? Construction, those kinds of
things. So it wasn't a nice hodgepodge. I guess I lived a
charmed life. I'll be honest with you. I lived a charmed
black life. Honestly, I wouldn't change a thing about it.
So that but that's the term that goes the neighborhood. It was
actually true. completely true.
But that was the difference. Because as you said, what your
when people came to visit your house, it was like my dad, like
we got to keep our grass cut, you know? Because you didn't
want to be that that neighborhood, right? I mean, you
didn't want to be that that
was the same. We had to do the same. Of course, you want to
keep the grass cut up the douchebag on the block. You
don't want to be that?
No, but he wanted to be the first one to get that man
because he didn't want to be into the stereotype. So that's
the thing that you are consciously or even
subconsciously, it's always not wanting to live up to that slum
title that we've talked about earlier in the show, right?
Because that is a real thing that I like I told you. I don't
know I'm kind of dragging this out. But black people, for
instance, when I was growing up, you can't go anywhere, not
honored. That this just didn't happen. And you're yet to have
lotion on you had to be clean. Had to have your hair combed out
with these things. That
was that was exactly the same for me. And I can I heard my mom
many times say, we don't want the neighbors to think dot dot,
dot dot. I don't want anyone to think data data. Not so that's
that's, you know, it's, it's kind of across the board.
No, but what I'll say now, but what I was getting to is, when I
said that, I think I told your story, if I tell again, short
form. But now when I go to school events, my kids went to
highly populated Hispanic, high population, Hispanic kids. They
were be like we were, they would be pressed down. And you see the
other kids coming in shirttail hanging out all wrinkly, but
they had that same thing. Like we don't want to live up to what
people think the stereotype is of us. I think we've got so
super comfortable nests where you hear the natural hair
argument.
Right, right. Right, right.
So I guess we can use get go right into part three. Yeah,
this
last part of Bob,
many of us who, who exercise leadership in the civil rights
movement in the early and mid 60s. Integration was never our
goal. We never saw integration as a solution to the problems,
we were seeking desegregation. And I think confusion on that
point, has continued to erode the self, the collective self
confidence of the black community today. Just a very
confusion. You see, I fought against a jury segregation. That
is when someone absolutely forbid me to go into a
restaurant, or live in a given housing complex. I was just
restricted by law. I remember when I was discharged from the
military, coming home and 1958. And standing, then in Florida,
only person at a ticket window and had the man stop and wait on
the white person. He waited on 10 White people while I was
standing there. In the meantime, I almost missed the train and
couldn't check my bags. That's what I fought against the
indignity of America's apartheid system. So integration was never
a an issue for me, or for many others.
I like Bob Woodson, and he left the civil rights movement for
all the for what he saw was happening. Now, like we were
talking earlier about the guy of sound like John Brennan from the
CIA, which was Davis. Do you know who Bob Woodson I'm just
now realizing sounds like, Oh, Ben Carson. If you slow him down
a little bit, you just slow him down just a tad. He sat, he's
got the almost like to listen, just play a little bit.
And I think confusion on that point, see, has continued to
erode the
younger too. So we mean, it's 1989. So it might sound more
like a male. Yeah.
And I only bring that up because you can, you know, it's it's the
middle Yoda. It's the people he may be hanging out with, which
for me is really good news. I already liked Ben Carson,
because, you know, if I need someone to separate some Chinese
twins, you know, that's the guy. And I think and President Trump
likes him and he's running Housing and Urban Development.
So he's doing stuff with Tim Scott. And so I think that gives
me even greater confidence. I like that. I like hearing him
that he sounds like Bob Woodson, as shallow as that may be on my
part.
No, it matters. It matters because like you said, you could
tell a lot about how people speak by what company they keep.
Yeah, so yeah, that that is a very valid point. And I want to
follow this clip away because he made it so clear what they were
fighting against. Yeah, it wasn't a integration. It was
desegregation gap. And that's a huge, huge difference. Huge
difference. Yeah. When you sit here and say, Well, you need to
get your ticket, you know, checked. And it's like next, and
you're standing right here in the center, the white person
next, next. Next is like, don't you see me here as a human?
Right? Because there are certain things that, you know, over
time, we could build, but we still have to you have access
to, but I mean, that's it, as you heard over and over again.
And he's not running into male people. These are people that
were no, in the time of saying, This is what we want. And
hopefully, I can calm the generational war between the
black boomers and the black millennials, because that is a
real thing. Yeah. Because they were like, how stupid were you
to try to know get your spin on and get coffee and the pie. And
then the other side, like, kid, you know, have no idea. And then
like, look at y'all, you know, we had to go through real
segregation. Y'all are whining about safe spaces. Yeah. So if
you remove that barrier between those two, you can have a
conversation interracially that would, you know, provide a much
needed, you know, transfer of knowledge between the two
groups.
I think, I think this all the problem came when spanking ended
Mo. That's when the kid
got out of school. There was a lot of people. And that was a
big thing in the black community, because I remember
hearing that conversation was going like, are they gonna what?
Take what? Take who else? Right? So it was like, yes, so that was
it. But yes, definitely spankings. And then that
ventured off again. You can't spank your kids at school me at
home? And then oh,
no, I'm sure these days if your kid goes through my daddy spank
me, you get a call from Child Protective Services pretty much.
Right? So yeah, so that's, that's the real thing. So now we
get into the problematic category to trigger and want to
Yeah, I have to, I have to get a trigger warning for these next
four or five clips we're gonna play because he's gonna, making
sure people are ready, but you got to brace yourself. Morning
everybody. We're ready, we're ready for the trigger.
And we only bring this out when we go heavy. Every show race for
is not to get dt
32 Is it fair to
say as a generality and as a succinct way to put it that you
believe in segregation of the races? No segregation is that
which is Mr. Muhammad says that segregation is that which is
forced upon inferiors, by superiors. Separation is done
voluntarily by two equals, you never refer to the Oriental
community in which Orientals live exclusively as a segregated
community. Because they live there voluntarily. They
everything there is controlled by them, the economy, the
politics, the civic organizations, but the negro
community is referred to as a segregated community, because
Negroes are forced to live in that community, contrary to
their will, and they don't control the businesses of their
community. They don't control the politics of their community
nor their social life.
Wow, Malcolm?
Yeah, we got to two for him. So what he's saying basically, is
just going back to the he's speaking in real time about the
projects, and how people were forced in the slums by not
having any or the options. And that's what he was saying, if
it's not separation, because we didn't choose it, which now I'm
gonna say this, the larger Muhammad is gonna shape this
next three speakers mind. And he was very big on being self
reliant, build your own, have your own, and you really can't
talk about him now, for several reasons. But as we do we take
away the positive from people when we leave, you know, we
don't subscribe to everybody's whole lexicon of thoughts. We
pluck out, you know, things that will work, or things that need
to be discussed. So he was the mentor to Malcolm X and the next
two speakers, but this is the thing it's like, um, I think
this is another part another, another part of the generational
issue. Black people now young black kids now not kids, but
young adults can't fathom, not being able to start your own
business, because now it said Global market, whatever you
want, you can just order it and you can set up shop on the
internet or even if a storefront, right, yeah, because
we getting things straight from China, or straight from you
know, other, you know, other foreign countries. At this time,
you didn't have that luxury. If you didn't know somebody knew
somebody knew somebody, you could easily be shut down. So
that's the other generational gap is now. But
if I can suggest that is also an education problem, because it
will certainly from my perspective, you hear about
segregation, it pretty much boils down to school, water,
fountain and toilet. No, the other stuff was never discussed,
like, Oh, that sucks. And the and as a kid, I remember
thinking waterfowl fountain, police had weird, you know, it
was no, it was like, I never actually the fact that it was
taught, confronted me, I never thought about it. And then I got
weirded out by everyone's mouth on the water fountain. I didn't
want to drink water out of the water found at all just like
mad. Look how many people are on that not color, but just how
many people are using it all. But that's all that it was
toilet, water fountain, and school. And there was a lot of
imagery to reinforce those three things. You never hear about
entrepreneurialism, you know, the success stories were equally
as limited to the full scope of what was possible, what people
did, and what segregation really was. And what what success
stories there were of people who broke through that is so
limited, so limited in what I learned.
Yeah. And then the other thing is that before, like I said, if
you wanted to start a business, you had to go through so many
ropes, you know, had to know somebody and know somebody know
somebody, you need to have the suppliers. But now, it isn't the
gift and the curse of a country like China,
or globalism.
Gobble is I mean, what I what I mean? Yeah, but we know where a
lot of these products come from. That opens the door to say, You
know what, I don't have to deal with in this country anymore. I
can go straight there, buy it for one sell for two, right?
Which really furthers capitalism, you think about it
totally. Now, because you have, it's about competition. And a
lot of things also was about ideas. So it's, now look at us,
we couldn't do this show 50 years ago, even if we want to
even if we had the wheel off maybe 60 years ago, we couldn't
do put the show together, because you had to get on a
broadcast or radio. I mean, you were a pirate radio. I mean, you
know about being locked out. Number six, oh, man, you know,
imagine that if you're trying to open a store from it, and that
kind of thing. And then the other thing that I'll say this
finally, and this is a big one, and I know you're kind of
against them, but Credit Karma and the understanding of credit
itself, when you got your credit report in the 80s and 70s. And
know what the hell was going on on it? You know, I was like,
What? What is this? Well, I'll pay my bills. Yeah,
well, sadly, Credit Karma is intended only to enslave
everyone, all children of all ages more by making you behave
in certain ways to give you access to more credit. It's a
very, very, very evil situation that's going on there.
But for a lot of people, this is the first understanding of how
your behaviors impact your credit. That's true. That says,
Well, I'm saying a lot of this stuff they're building we could
turn around and use against them. If you know how to game
the system. And then Trust me I know how to game the credit
course credit score system now not not a negative way but just
in Oh, that's what this turn is dial turn this knob. Oh, that
makes the job 10 points. Good. Nice. Going here kind of thing.
Yeah,
I guess where I'm coming from is I would prefer that we teach our
children that you don't necessarily have to, you know
this, to me a credit card or credit is reverse spending
reverse sage or reverse saving. Instead of I remember saving up
stuff, you know, saving up because there was no real credit
credit cards and your kids didn't have credit cards. There
was none of that.
That's That's why our generation I mean, I know we were seeing a
little gap between now But we understand the digital, what
we're based in analog thought, yeah, for sure. And what I mean
by that is you pay your bills on time you save money, that kind
of thing. Yeah. I'm not saying don't do away with that. That's
why it's harmful to children or young adults, because they're
not based in that reality. Right? It's just, it's just a
game to them. Now you just
hear two American dads. Yep. And on to the podcast. That's for
damn kids. No. Yeah, no, um, well, I'm just saying that is
that's why you need fathers in the house. Yeah, to teach them
the principles of pay. This is the way it is. This is the way
it works. Okay. Now, how can you use that as a tool to your
benefit? Okay, you know, so I usually think about talent you
and using things as a tool to your benefit. But like I said,
I've gone off on a tangent long enough. But now we have a new
Malcolm that was actually that that last one was from tobacco
cars show 20 A throwback clip. And I want to expound on that or
let Malcolm expound on that a little bit more about
integration isn't dignity.
Dr. King's goals are quite different from yours. He
believes in integration, integration, the society
integrated No, well, that's where Dr. King is mixed up. His
goal should be the solution of the problem of the black men in
America. Now, not integration, integration is the method toward
obtaining that goal. And what the Negro leader has done is
gotten himself wrapped up in the method and has forgotten what
the goal is. The goal is the is the is the dignity of the black
man in America, he wants to respect as a human being, he
wants recognition as a human being. Now if integration will
get him that All right, if segregation will get him that
All right, if separate region will get him that all right. But
after he gets integration, and he still doesn't have this
dignity, and this recognition as a human being, then his problem
is still not solved.
Well, isn't this exactly what Dr. King is looking towards, and
that is the day when the Negro will be treated with dignity.
Wasn't this after all, the result of the Montgomery bus
boycott?
No, because I don't think you can. Having an opportunity to
write either on the front or the back or in the middle of someone
else's bus doesn't dignify you, when you have your own bus. When
you have your own school, you have dignity. When you have your
own country, you have dignity when you have something of your
own, you have dignity. But whenever you are begging for a
chance to participate in that which belongs to someone else,
or use that which belongs to someone else on an equal basis
with the owner. That's not dignity. That's ignorance.
I'm now realizing that throughout my life, I've heard
Malcolm X's Yeah, but any any black man who would talk about
the black man, I always kind of presumed I just means all black
people. But now I'm kind of learning it actually is
specifically about black men.
Yeah. Cuz we shape the minds of our children very
unpopular thing to say, in today's world culture, Mo very
unpopular for you or me to say.
And I mean that I mean, I'm not saying that I'm saying that to
them. And yes, I guess I gotta teach my children to have
dignity. I'm teaching my children to have your own. Yes,
I'm an employer, but I don't want my children to work for
anybody. You know, I tell my daughter, I was like, Look, you
want to start your own business. Actually, I'm talking to a
couple producers. On the show. They have the private labeling
stuff to get my daughter's 617 years old, get her feet wet into
private labeling and starting her own business. Yeah, it's
about dignity at the end of the day, and that's what's missing
from our and people want to say in a way of pull up your pants,
blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, no self respect, the man will have
his ash and will excuse my leg. I'm sorry, what have his blood
sugar in the first place if you had dignity about yourself,
because you don't want to turn yourself into a spectacle? It's
not a that's a symptom of the problem. Just like Malcolm said,
integration is a method. It's not
nothing. Oh, yeah, that's a good one. A ding for Malcolm. So
true.
That's what I mean. That's what into we like, and that people
say that the Gucci reparation argument, right? And yeah, and
if they blow it, so be it but now you don't have an excuse
anymore. Now what you're gonna blame it on? Yeah. So now what
you're gonna be a victim to
the Gucci reparation argument, is essentially what I got from
Hotep Jesus, and he said, so let's say that we're
reparations. Now forget the the monolith part which you know, he
said don't black people just blow it on Gucci. It'll go to
Gucci anyway. And of course, there's going to be a percentage
of people who do that. But you're absolutely right that
their choice.
Now you have to look at them like adults because you know
what we remedied your problem. We were told, and I'm saying
this the white people now, this is the beauty of reparations or
atonement, like I like to call it because reparations is just
to be repaired. Yeah, you're asking, you're asking a repair,
we repair me. If you want to atone that's coming from the
person that needs to atone with the person they've done wrong,
right? It's like, you know what? At the country, we've done you
wrong. Here's an ABCD. Right. So okay, here, we will pound. Now
you can't bring it like just like when you people know when
to my pays a settlement and the case, you can't come back and
keep saying, Oh, you're ruining my life. No, I've settled with
you. Now, if you took the money and went to Vegas and blew it,
that's the only That's your problem. Not my problem. So I'm
saying is atonement. And that's why I'm gonna keep calling it
this is from the point of, let's put this race crap behind us.
You give people where they can strive for their own dignity.
And if one out of three people blow the money, so be it if two
out of the three bloated money, so be it. Because you can look
at the one out of three that didn't blow the money and say,
Yo, you know what was different between you and them? Now we can
get to the real problem. It's probably because you didn't have
a father at home. Yeah, it's probably because you sell for
low self esteem and victimization mentality. Let's
get let's get to the real root of the problem. That's why I
call it a tome I'm sorry, I'm sorry. But I get charged up
about this because at the end of the day, when I let Mullah
Muhammad Ali tell you that society is filled educate people
around well
Life is too short for me to reread kitchen Hill for
something like that and have their own views my own I have a
beautiful daughter beautiful wife. They look like me we all
happen I don't have no trouble that much in love and no woman
to go through all at ALA no one woman that good. You understand?
I understand. Yeah. I do understand. I understand. I
think it's I think it's sad that it is sad because every
intelligent person wants his child to look like him. I'm sad
because I want to blot out my race and lose my beautiful
identity. Chinese love Chinese. They love the lust none of that
pretty brown skinned babies. Pakistan is love that culture.
Jewish people love that culture. A lot of Catholics don't want to
read them a Catholics they want the religion to be stayed the
same. Who want to spot up yourself and kill your race. You
ahead of your people. If you don't want to stay who you are
You shame what God made you. God didn't make no mistake when he
made us all like my philosophy of despair. This was number one.
No woman on this whole earth not even a black woman in Muslim
countries can please me and cook for me and socialize and talk to
me like my American black woman. No woman and last as a white
woman can really identify with me and my feelings and the way I
act and we are taught. And you can take no Chinese man and give
them the Puerto Rican woman and Halima. We're in love and you're
emotionally in love and physically, but really, they're
not happy because she's gonna have some Puerto Rican music.
He's gonna have some Chinese music. And all the time. It's
just nature. You can do what you want, but it's nature to want to
be what you own. I want to be with my own. I love my man.
I'm glad I witnessed him around while he was still alive and
kicking man what Muhammad Ali? What a genius
and go to conspiratorial mind. Isn't it amazing? They shut him
up.
No, it's not amazing. It's completely completely
understandable. Unfortunately.
What I mean is like, Isn't it amazing? That's the way he went.
And he didn't lose. Yeah, you're right. His physical capacities.
I mean, eventually he did. But he lost his valuable. Yeah. Me
and his mom was there still. That's the That's what really
has to be just couldn't come out. He was trapped pi. But what
I want to say, as he ended his statement, do what you want to
do. But when you start making people feel inferior and that
dignity, they may think, well, if I can join this group or that
group, then I'll be okay. And you know, I'm not saying this
about race. Now, this is in general politics. It's like a
lot of people have self loathing, and they like Oh, I'm
liberal. I'm liberal, you know, because I don't want to be seen
this way even though they disagree. They will change their
their ideologies to fit so they won't be seen as you know,
they'll be trained, what their how they were brought up. And
you see that a lot.
everywhere, not just a lot. You see it everywhere. All all
across the spectrum.
And that's what really to be honest with you. That's what
irks people about Trump coming down not to make it about Trump,
but for you. Because like a lot of white people from my
perspective, and I'm just the outsiders that. I'm just saying
what I see from the outside. A lot of people have people in
their family like Trump. And it's like, oh, God, they gave
him a bar that gave them a mouthpiece. I moved to the city
to straight escaped them. I moved to the coast, you know,
the coat, you know, the flyover country, they moved out of the
flyover country, and it's like, oh, god, my cousin is following
me here. Yeah.
That is definitely true. And yes, definitely. And, and a lot
of white people I know, are embarrassed. They're like that,
because of and so they're, you know, they're kind of on the
fence. And they they know that they're really like that and
they are kind of Mirka Maga. But they're embarrassed about it.
And depending on who they're around, or where they live, they
will often tone it down. I mean, it's so conflicting. It's so
toxic for everybody.
And black people are the same way. Sometimes we can be
somewhere we allow, I'm just being tell you, we allow you
come through come to our functions, we're gonna laugh and
joke, be loud, whatever. But when you're in an environment
where that's not call for words, like, you know, you got to have
some, okay, we're at the bank. It's like the place to be loud.
It's like when you see it, like, Oh, my God, you know, but it is
what it is. I mean, that's just how we are. But we got to be
honest and be open and say that's what the real problem is.
But we want to make some huge national concern. Oh, he's gonna
you know, ruin the democracy. Well, no, he just speaking for
other half the country all forgot about let's just be
honest. Yeah. But I digress. And speaking on that. There's
another gentleman that has been pushed to the margins. And from
some of his views, and I don't share all of his views. And like
I said, we just bring in clips from people that we find that
we've no interest in discuss. And even the mere mention of his
name will probably get us canceled. Yes. So this is why I
value for value is so important. And not to belabor the point.
Ministers spirit, Minister Farrakhan speaks one
and limitate your brothers and sisters like us, we have to
press the government for reparations. As long as you ask
for a job. And they don't have these days, are taking promises.
You're going along? To get on? Do you know why Elijah Muhammad,
put on the back page and Muhammad speaks? We want
freedom, full and complete freedom. We want justice, we
want equal justice under the law. We want justice applied
equally to all regardless of creed or class of color. We want
equality. We want equality of opportunity. And we want equal
membership in society with the best and civilized society. But
then in point number four, he says we we believe that those of
us whose parents, you know, have been here for 400 years, you
know, and we believe that you offered us integration as a
hypocritical trick. To make us believe that our 400 year old
enemy has now become our friend. We believe that this is the time
in history for separation.
You know, we could easily do an entire episode on Farrakhan just
I mean, I wouldn't mind learning a bit more than I know.
He's a very complex individual, and part of a very complex
movement of the Nation of Islam. But one thing I do respect about
them is their independent financial independence. And they
tried to create their own industry and a push to create
your own cash flow. Because I'll say this as a working man. The
uncertainty of knowing is this my last check? What will I do
you know, and the spec I mean, me personally, I will never get
caught flat footed because I always have a plan for a player
saw me so if it happens, it happens and I don't lose sleep
over it. But if you if that's your only means and source of
financial gain is a job. That's a very uncertain life. And you
top that with all of the things we talked about on the previous
50 show for a black person. That's, that's one you could
solve yourself. And like I said, it was different for people in
1960 1950s. Even our ancestors understood that that's why they
hadn't land they asked for land, they was like, You know what, as
much land as I can have, I can grow more crops and much
children I can have, I can have children and work those crops.
And we'll make it as a family is only that when we got caught up
in the industry, in the industrial lifestyle, that we
became vulnerable. Because our answers to say, you know how to
catch fish. I not a trap. I know how, I mean, I don't know how to
hunt. But my grandpa taught me is how you beat a rat boss.
Well, you might have put a rabbit in the pot one day. This
is real life. Yeah. But our children are vulnerable, are
vulnerable, because they don't have any means or have any
dignity from being able to own for themselves. And you always
push this you said, learn to code, learn to code because you
can code. That's a skill, right skill. And actually, every black
man over a certain age, they might do something for a job,
but also have another skill. Like my dad's skill was
painting. My uncle's we have brick layers, we had concrete
guys, we had carpenters, no, this is their skill. Now they
had a job doing something else. But if they ever hit the fan,
he's like, You know what I'm getting these rollers out, and
my dad taught me how to paint. So I know how to paint. Me, I'm
a pretty, you know, decent handyman. But these are things
like I said, you don't have these, this knowledge base, then
you're vulnerable. And this is the more important why fathers
need to be in the home. But I won't go there. Now, here is the
leverage point of reparations. And he's going to speak to this.
And I'll let him explain it and then I'll explain how I
incorporate it in my life, or in what we're trying to do now.
Sit down and be last Muhammad said, Well, I put it there, they
may never give it to you. But I want you to know what Justice
looks like. For you a white woman and a few dollars and you
think we made some unique rows, we'll sell out people out for
just a little position with white people.
You won't say you'll be paying your future of our people is
uncommon not to be compromised, will be dropped in the bottom of
the sea with a millstone around your neck to betrayed the
legitimate aspirations of our people. We got to come out from
among we gotta leave if you're putting it on the table strong
enough to come out of his seat. He's smiling. Are you? But if
you say no, wait, wait, wait, no, no, no, no smile. No, pat on
the back. Let's talk about reparations. When you see him
change.
I've never heard his last. I've never heard this.
I'm sure you have it. That last 30 minutes is the apparatus that
how we're using reparations. And what I mean by that is to the
Democratic Party, they'll smile. Oh, yeah. Thank you for your
vote, brother. Yeah, yeah, you know, vote Rock the Vote. You
know, that kind of thing. Yeah. But soon as we start asking for
something for our 40 plus years of loyalty to that party. Now we
see their true colors, shut up and vote. And that's what they
have. That's what people are saying to us. All their black
box if they're asking for anything. Do we not see
if you don't vote for me you ain't black.
Exactly. Now we're starting to see when you start to ask for
something for something that you have for them and return is shut
up. What gives you the right to ask me for anything? Who are you
supposed to be you're obligated obligated to give your vote to
us? and they've been very nasty, very nasty black box if it asked
for anything tangible, reparations?
How about a study California, but study some more, let's get
another panel.
And that's why I risk planning triggering people. I said, like,
oh, well, you know, but I want it to him that he said it. So,
point blank and matter of factly. They'll smile on your
face as long as you're giving them something. But when you ask
for something in return for what you've been providing them for
40 years, they have their people out here now telling you to shut
up and vote. Vote blue no matter who you say, you ain't black.
Let's go on unleash black blocks. You're saying just Who
are they to talk to us like this?
Well, every every country, every race, every group gets the
leadership it deserves. So that's exactly that's why we're
doing the work. We can ask you a question. But, yes, so just
because something you said triggered a memory for me or a
lyric. So did he win the OJ saying they smile in your face
the backstabbers? Were they referring to this type of
situation? Or just in general? Wow.
All right. I mean, they were just in general, but it can be
applied there because their music was very political. If you
actually listen
to it. That's what I'm asking. I've never ever viewed the Oh,
jesus political. Oh, man. No, brother. No way. I had never
thought of it until now. So they sweat your face. The
backstabbers do
now what about for the love of money? I mean, they were very, I
mean, yeah, they were very political, but not in the sense
that it wasn't like, um, dystopian. It was like very
upbeat. I mean, it was,
it was it was subtle and danceable. That's what made us
Wow. Hey, mind blown here mind blown I can't wait to tell so my
Dutch radio friends Hey man, you know that saw that was really
about perfect Yeah. Okay, well learn even more than wrap
up this last clip I'm gonna wrap up with this last clip here. And
these are this is from a very small podcast on YouTube we only
have like eight followers on the channel. So that goes to show
you how how deep I go when I go to seek seek these things out.
And this is to want to say I will say so called blacks I
don't know if you're a das or not. But they're talking about
when what happens when you take your black children to the safe
white spaces
that I to compromise I think I compromise their public culture
experience and did not compromise their in house
cultural experience. We got that a lot. But I compromise their
public cultural experience in some times of their lives be
life because of the of trying to keep them safe. But I have to be
clear as a guest I'm labeled a veteran parent now for anybody
else that has younger is out there that sometimes those safe
white spaces backfired and then I wasn't prepared for it. So no,
you take your you take your car to school, it's not getting
broken into. You're getting private school experience.
Though it's a public school. You know, you're in all the things
you want to be in. We know we're in this lovely neighborhood. I
mean, we lived in the suburb I lived in mockups Hill, we have
the house, the picket fence, the front yard, the backyard, like I
was like do it you're doing everything on associate. You got
it you have you have done all the things but then I wasn't
prepared to go see one of them in go to acquire show and be
like, Oh my gosh. out of 83 children, there's only three
that look like my baby what? They're doing a rendition of a
negro spiritual. Oh, wow. Why? Ah,
give me the name of the winner will make sure we promoted
properly taken from eight to maybe 18
is Anastasia Renee. I don't have the channel right offhand. But
if you search that as a m a s t a CI Renee r e n e on YouTube
and I'll be I'll have more clips from them. Because I think
you're so small that the pot on his tube comes out.
It's beautiful. That was really good. I liked that. That was a
good one.
So what they're saying, and this is the fallacy, they take these
children and put them in highly exclusive. I mean, what I mean
by schools is very few blacks, you knew that going in? I'm not
moved, I looked at them, okay? How many black people all you
have 2530 Okay, we're good to go. Now, cuz you don't want to
isolate your children off to where only three, like I
mentioned this to go back to with my college years, I was
like, you will be looking for black people. That's a very bad
feeling. And a lot of people who can relate to this, when you're
looking like, oh, what's the black person? You know? And they
like, Well, you see me given that nod, like, What's up, bro?
You're saying that kind of thing? Yeah, that's not and I'm
sure it's just that the shoe was on the other foot. If you take
me out and put me into, you know, anywhere in the world,
other than, you know, America, I'll be looking for will speak
English. You know, I mean, I mean, I do foster my speak
English because you're looking for some I, you know, I
hate to I had a similar version of that, you know, when I was
thrown into the Netherlands now, not that you could tell just by
looking at me that I was from America. But man when you heard
an American accent somewhere, and like, you know, just out on
the street like whipsaw neck around what?
Hey, hey, man, God, yeah. Hey, how
you doing? Yeah, and it wasn't just about the language. It was
about, you know, football.
Underneath understanding, understanding, yeah. One final
point I want to make is and this is where you're seeing these
people that claim to Black Lives Matter is because their parents
by these two, they take these children and they hyper they
push BLACK, BLACK, BLACK, BLACK, BLACK, BLACK, BLACK, BLACK,
BLACK, everything inside the
house. But don't prepare him for the world outside the house and
think the world outside the house is poster. A just to their
presence. It don't work like that. No. It doesn't work. And I
said it like that for purpose. It doesn't work like that.
Because who are you three people to come dictate to the other at
how things are gonna go, but that's what they go on to the
universe. Oh, we need a safe black space, you know? Oh, no.
It's like, why don't you go to HBCU if you want that
experience, because that's very
I don't know. It's rude. It's rude. Mo it's just rude.
Yeah, it's mad rude. To you to come for you to come to my
cookout. I want to play Kenny Rogers
if you could if you did that be we look like who the hell do you
think he's touching it touching the CD player. Alexa now I'm
gonna have CD players anymore. But yeah. I WUSA, this is what
you're dealing with. Hold on. Is this deep breath Wow. All right.
I'm doing
now this I was it's always enjoyable. I always have a good
time. For me, the cherry on top was the OG the OG days. But
that's just a personal thing. Every now okay, to wrap this up,
every single time we sit down to do the show. I think I kind of
know, you know, I think I know what I'm talking about. I think
I've done the work, you know. And every time man every time
you throw something new in there, and I know that you
you've got a plan and you know, it's like preacher mo here he's
pastor Mo, he's got a message and I really appreciate how you
are taking me but all of us on this journey. And it's very well
constructed. It's it's this is your skill. It's it's very I'm
really realizing every single time how skillful you are at
doing this. And and that's why again, I want everybody to
consider playing this with their kids because it's it's useful.
I'm I'm an older guy, I'm 56 you can learn a lot and I have moved
this right now. And it's It feels very good.
Hey, you know how you can learn a lot Adam. If you pay attention
to everything, then the truth reveal itself.
There you go again, that skill he's got ladies and gentlemen,
sue this silly. Okay, everybody, thank you very much. Please
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