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more facts with Adam Curry for
December 7 2020. This is episode

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number 55. I'm Adam Curry in
Austin, Texas. from somewhere in

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Northern Virginia. fresh new
member of the 40 Club Ladies and

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gentlemen, give it up for Mo.

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Mo man 40 a baby.

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Can't believe

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you made it. You made it. I did
make it. And as I teach her on

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the hill, I'm not over yet. I'm
teetering for this year, and

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then I'll be over the hill. But
I'm 14 I feel great. And yeah,

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give a nice celebration at home,
you've family come over, hang

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out.

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Have this one, two people for
one second.

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From the last for the 28th
October instead of January 1 is

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like one big blur. Because I
have my two daughters birthdays

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they have Halloween
Thanksgiving. My dad's birthday

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was the 27th of November. Their
mom's the fourth? My brother's

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the ninth. So it's just been one
big for Nope, no pun intended

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celebration. Um, and, man, we
turned up my wife and the kids

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you know, thinking about that
you maybe you should just gather

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the whole family and go on a
cruise for six weeks and do it

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all in one go just party every
night.

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We might just do that from now
on because it's it's a wild

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time. I mean, it's a great time.
But it is a wild time. And

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around here in the brown effects
house. So very good. I'm happy

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you're I'm happy you're happy
and good health. And man, I'm

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glad that we're back on the
microphones because I've been

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jonesing to talk to you. It's
been it's been just a tad over

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two weeks. So I'm excited. It's
in August a highlight I've been

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chosen to and this topic that
we're going to cover so we jump

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right in it because I have a
pretty cool bag.

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The Wheel of topics, I've
noticed in the parlance that the

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term bag can be used very
universally. So we have we got

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the bag with the money we got
the bag with the money when

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you're getting caught. And you
got the bag which is I don't

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know mo facts dr kit of goodies.
So bag is pretty darn universal.

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And then it's another one where
when you're in your bag, that's

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like when you're in the zone or
you're doing you're doing your

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thing. So let's get in our bag
here Ladies and gentlemen, find

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out what the topics going to be
for. Adam Curry Episode Number

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55 nobody knows that we'll have
topics will close. Except mo Of

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course he knows exactly what is
the topic for Episode 55 is how

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do you know when a mindset has
become a mind trap?

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Ooh, lots of mind stuff in their
mind. So mind trap mind control.

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I'm all over it. So you might
need to get your passport for

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this Adam cuz I'm gonna take you
on a trip to the trap.

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All right. I'm good to go. So
there was a cultural event that

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happened maybe two three weeks
ago, probably unbeknownst to

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you. But it was on Instagram.
And it was the verses battle

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between Young Jeezy and gucci
mane. I heard of it. Of course.

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I had no idea where to look for
it. Twitter did not bleed it

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into my feed. So I completely
missed it. It was to 2 million

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live viewers almost to me. I
think it did clip 2 million live

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viewers viewers on Instagram.
Wow. And then you got to factor

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in all the other subsidiary
streams, people streaming it. Is

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this a is this an annual event?
This comes back every year? No,

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actually, this is one of the
great things that came out of

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the whole COVID situation. So
let me let me explain. Let me

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explain versus first so we can
get an SVR. Right versus That's

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correct.

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Yeah, it was put together by
Swiss beats and Timberland. What

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they do is they take two
celebrities, they're somewhat

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equally matched or have

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somewhat similar catalogs. Mm
hmm. I think it's 20 songs per p

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apiece are played. And, you
know, it's kind of like a

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friendly battle. Yeah, but this
one was a different.

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This one had a totally different
concept. It wasn't like a like

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A rap battle like the old kiss
FM Los Angeles days if we throw

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down against each other, or is
it something else? You say that

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again? You were breaking the
ball. I said, is it? Is it like

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one of the old rap battles from
the late 80s? You know, kiss FM,

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Los Angeles, or is this
something else? Is this just

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pure? DJing? No, no, no, no, no,
you actually have the two

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celebrities there. Yeah.

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For instance, they had I think,
Patti LaBelle, and, um, Gladys

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Knight, I think those Oh, wow.
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and where and what do they do
then? So they play one song from

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Patty. One song from Gladys or I
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forget all the ones that we had
the one the biggest one I paid

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attention to, was the reserve
versus DJ Premier. Right, right.

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I mean, the production. What do
you do? How do you win?

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The people decide? And how did
they decide? I'm just drilling

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down? No.

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No, no, I'm assuming that you
This is why we do this.

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Okay, it's like American Idol.
Where you got a text and call

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vote. Are people yelling
screaming on the floor? No. is

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strictly social media fault.
There's no score kept. Everybody

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has their own scorecard. Okay, I
get it. Oh, this that's even

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better that way. I like it. It
is because it creates a bunch of

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who actually won. And it's
people score. It's like Boston.

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I mean, the best was like now
it's like, Well, how about it

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could be boxing or politics.
It's the same thing. Everyone?

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Depends on how you're counting.
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Exactly. Was this done in the
pilot politician voting way? Or

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was this done in the boxing way?
Yeah, it was done in the boxing

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way where everybody has their
own card. Got it? And you might

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score it.

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Let's see. 11. Nine, or, you
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me, excuse me? Uh,

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yeah. 11 cuz twin is 20 songs.
And they run them down one back

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one against the other. And this
is amazing that you never heard

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me cuz this is big. This was
like the biggest

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a celebrity event.

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quote unquote, flat. You can
see, are you confused with Adam

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from 20 years ago? Who was
supposed to show up and see

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that? No.

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lead over it? No, not at all.
Man. It did not you're gonna be

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sir. Once we get into, you will
see how big it was. So I don't

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want her. So to give background,
we have Young Jeezy and Gucci

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Mane they are to trap rappers.
And some may say they are the

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king of trap. And this is what
this was gonna decide. But they

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also have a bad blood between
them. So that's what we're going

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to explore. And then also we'll
explore the the political

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implications and the social
implications and all of that. So

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I didn't think I don't think
anybody covered it from the

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point that we're gonna cover it
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but I guess we need to warn
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So I guess we need to put one
people at this point, some

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viewers may find the following
disturbing. Viewer discretion is

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advised.

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So we always try to keep it
family friendly. We get a lot of

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comments. I certainly try hard.
I know you mo you barely cuss.

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But this may be a little, a
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of the content because of the
clips. And that's just a fair

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warning for those who want maybe
want to screen it before you let

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your kids hear. Correct. But I
will say this is very pertinent

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to a lot of people's kids
because as you know they're

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watching trap rap is the most

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widespread form or genre rap
right now. So it's not like your

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kids are not exposed to this
type of music. So

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we're actually this warning is
for you parents as a trigger

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warning when you find out what
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when you're not looking. Got it.
Correct. So what we want to do

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is get into a little background
about the trap itself. And this

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is Atlanta 1.1

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is Thomas Welcome to Atlanta,
the city to visit to hate and

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drug trafficking hub for the
East Coast and the homeless.

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Trap Music. I cried

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when Robert rabbit used to be
able to smell the dope

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you should be able to see the
fucking dough cookie. You should

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be able to visualize and see
that shit.

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Lana's history is intimately
tied up in transportation. When

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it started, it was at the end of
all the railroad lines in

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America, then Sherman came in
burnt those onto the ground and

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they just kind of replaced them
with highways, and plop the

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biggest airport in the world on
top of everything. So that's

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basically where every road in
the East Coast comes through,

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which makes it an ideal spot for
drunk travel. Ah, hey, off the

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bat, we're getting to the good
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So we're back in Atlanta. Yes,
exactly.

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Ah, that was Curtis snow. And
he's famous for making, I think

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the Netflix movie, snow on the
bluff. And if anybody wants a

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visual representation or a

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account of what the trap is, you
may want to check that movie

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out. And of course, it's the
adult content. So just be aware.

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But as he said, it's very
chaotic. The music is it's very

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gritty. And it was birthed out
of the trap house. So the trap

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house is similar to what they
used to call the crack house.

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And the trap itself is basically
the drug drug subculture, and

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Atlanta and other southern
states. And I want to juxtapose

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that because I'm from the south.
So we didn't really have the

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project building is like in New
York and those things, you have

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neighborhoods and houses and
that kind of thing. So that's

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what became the trap in the drug
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those city blocks or those those
streets. They were just it was

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all drug trafficking. So that
whole area was the drug track

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for everything that was going on
there. Yeah, and it's not the

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whole neighborhood you might
have one or two trap houses in

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the neighborhood but we're gonna
get a further explanation but I

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want to set people up to see
where we're going here and

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that's like they said at LACMA
is one of the main hoes because

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you have all the major

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interstates right? Run through
Atlanta, right? So that and then

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you have the you know, the
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Atlanta. So all of these things
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what would you give a

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little background on

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the environment and how it
birthed the music and then how

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the music birth these to an
artist, and then their conflict

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is going to be a microcosm of
what goes on in these

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communities. Okay, so good. This
is decoding the quote unquote,

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urban CNN.

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Alright, so I guess we can get
into Atlanta. 2.1 man's Give me

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one point to keep hearing about
the trap. What is the trap?

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Is what it is? trap. So you can
count up in

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one way in one way? Yeah.

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That would be a trap going. be
just what it is.

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Yeah, it's a trap. It's just a
trap. That's why it's trap

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music. Exactly.

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Studio. Is he going to get his
hand in hand? You can't have one

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without the other candidates.
Without the studio without the

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dope. The dope

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rap.

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Now know what happened when the
guys from Detroit came in like

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BMF. Do you remember?

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parties everywhere?

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everybody. See what the move was
with the money.

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And with the money

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all you had to do was go gold.
And he had you know, put someone

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Okay, I have a question. Because
I'm a big fan of associating

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music with drugs. And so you
know, 6070s marijuana, we had

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disco cocaine. We certainly have
a rave culture with MDMA, Molly,

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ecstasy, etc. In tramp watch the
dope of choice. Well, the dope

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that sale is crack and pills. Do
you have the drug to use and the

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trap became prescription drugs
Danny bars, lane which is the

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cough medicine. They pour with
soda read of course.

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in Mali, Mali is a large part of
trap of trap as well.

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So I'm please ask a lot of
questions because I don't want

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to make any assumptions because
I don't I want to I want you to

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bounce off from me. Right? Well
that way the audience is not are

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the producers are not lost. I
don't make any assumptions.

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Sure.

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So just so you said something
interesting. The drug to sell

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versus the drug that's used so
is that to markets people are

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coming in to buy and they're
just coming into the the trap

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neighborhoods the trap house to
buy and they're going away?

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That's different than not
selling to the to themselves.

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Yeah, me. Yeah, of course. But
then you have, you won't have a

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trapper

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using crack. I mean, they, they
will. I mean, it's the thing

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called a table habit. So, when,
when you're tasting to make sure

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the potency is there, you may
pick up a habit. Mm hmm. But

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it's not like they're actively
smoking crack. Okay, so they

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have a different appetite than
what they sell. Okay, so now

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I'll ask I'll ask to you simply
just because just for my own

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edification,

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what is the drug of choice when
producing the music? clean, and

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weed? Lean and weed and lean was
the the cough medicine you mix

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with soda? The purple and that's
what you heard purple? Mm hmm.

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This is when I saw. Okay, a
little. A little sidebar here.

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Sure. So lean lean came out of
Texas. Way back. We're talking

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about UGK, early 90s. But it
didn't really explode into what

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it is now. Um, until maybe the
early 2000s. Sorry. UGK. Yeah,

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underground kings. Thank you.
That's a bunbee and the late

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Pepsi, the late great Pepsi Lin
put some respect on Pepsi name.

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Um, so these are the godfathers
of Trap Music named Scarface

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from ghetto boys.

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They're the godfathers of trap
music but it wasn't trapped in.

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But the see kebab is very
reasonable.

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And the down south or artists
look to other down south artists

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for influences. God, they don't
really mess with New York

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artists like they're

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so okay. And that's why I say
UGK and Scarface loop to some

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to some extent from to LA crew.
Those are the godfathers of trap

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Muse Oh, let me not forget three
six mafia. You see what's good.

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I want to get on with mafiosi
interesting is that

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and and I say this, because the,

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the whole rave culture, and you
know, DJs, making millions of

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dollars a year is interesting.
Because the DJs as far as the

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ones I know, are clean as a
whistle. They're nerds, they're,

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you know, they used to study
mathematics and crap like that.

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So they make this music, as far
as I know, completely sober. But

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it's consumed it often in large
settings, raves, arenas, etc.

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and ecstasy and MDMA and Molly.
They're really designed for that

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kind of music. So it's
interesting when you have

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perhaps a different drug being
consumed while producing it,

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versus the people who are
listening. But is that also

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leaning weed for people who are
just in who are enjoying trap

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house trap music? Yes, yes. It
is. I mean, like I said, I gotta

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try some of this lien then. I
mean, I

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know for sure because I'm
experimental mode. I'll do

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something. And Okay. Well, for
one they took it took the the

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purple off the I think it was
activists. Um,

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it was the purple when they took
it off the market due to Justin

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Bieber. So when he started, he
got to that height of celebrity.

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Uh huh. And so they pulled it
off the market. And I think it

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was activist if I'm not
mistaken. But anyways, basically

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cops start recoding in little
ways known for you. This is when

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you saw the Styrofoam cups.
cups. Yeah, okay. Yes.

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These things you probably seen
them pop up, but you didn't

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understand what was. Now Trayvon
Martin case was surrounded

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around lean real and that's why
he has iced tea and the

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Skittles. That thing? Yeah, that
mean that popped up? Because

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that's what they do. They pour
it pour up with yourself. You

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put the I never I've never used
lean. So this is third party.

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You're reliably informed. Yes.
Right. So basically, you have

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ice you have your cough syrup.
You pour up with some soda

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sprite is usually the top choice
soda and us put a candy in the

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bottom of it to make it sweet

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so that's what that was all
about holy crap yeah that's why

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I want to do this show cuz this
is why in wheat excuse me lean

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got so widespread all across
Africa bleen epidemic and the

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power of hip hop Yes Wait Yes.

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This show you the power of hip
hop as a vehicle to take a

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message globally

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and this is part of the reason
why I want to do this episode

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and do this show and I have to
do it with care. I just don't

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want to talk about the the
battle and we're not going to

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talk about the battle very much
it's just like pre post battle

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and the implication so yes,
that's that's where ln popped up

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it is there. Yes. Is or is
another Yeah. Okay. Cool. I put

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in this is drank I think any
other names

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purple was the big like, that
was the most popular one. And

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you couldn't see I'm

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I'm a little after that when
trap hit. I was maybe early to

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mid 20s. So I was still
consuming the music. But I had

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already my tastes had been
defined. So track wasn't really

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my thing. Um, but when you're
listening to mixtapes, all you

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started seeing on mixtape
websites is purple, purple,

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purple, everything is

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interesting. while of course
cough syrup is a is an opioid

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Yeah, this it can be addictive.

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It's no doubt.

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And cough syrup is not new.
Because even though I mentioned

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I mentioned before today, rose
up in the 90s. In the 70s. They

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were drinking it because my dad
would tell me about it and it

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had a different name to it. I'm
trying to think the main he used

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to refer to it. He was like, Oh,
no, we were doing that back in

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the 70s.

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Yeah, I think they put some ink
off certain to make you sick now

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if you drink too much. Yeah,
well, they also made it harder

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to buy. And I want to show you
another thing. This isn't just

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me my perception. I have no
proof to make the statement. But

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I noticed NyQuil came out with a
product. That was not cough,

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sir. That was called. Sleepy
girl. Yeah, what color was Adam

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purple.

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Thank you. Wow. I remember. I
remember my daughter saying oh,

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I want some is quill. Like what?
She's Oh, yeah, she was. Yeah.

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She said, Give me some give me
some z quilon solo cups dad. I'm

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like, okay, whatever. I'm just
kidding.

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But that's but this is really
interesting, because this is an

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epidemic that is not spoken of
at all. Everyone's talking about

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weed and heroin. And this is, I
mean, I thought this was

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honestly, the cough syrup thing.
Honestly, I'm always honest with

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you. The cough syrup thing, in
my mind was like a, and I'll

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just use the terms. Okay, white
trash, cooking it to make a

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really poor man's white trash
meth. That is my

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that's the only real thing I
associate cough syrup with in an

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in an abusive way. Yeah, that
was I forgot what it's called.

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But they put it behind the
counter and you can only buy

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like two boxes at a time.
Exactly. No, this is actual

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prescription and the other thing
is, it was prescription. You had

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to have a prescription to get to
it. Got it. Um, but obviously, I

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mean it made it to the streets
in large quantities and nobody

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asked any questions about it so
that lets you know how these

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farmers some pharmaceutical
companies really get down. Oh

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you're gonna say something? No,
no, no, no, that was just me

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going.

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In the other thing I've learned
enough for today. I don't need

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to know any more 24 minutes a
show. Perfect.

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All right, so let's not be late
with the lane point. But that

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that's that was a good question
about the drug of choice. I

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guess we're getting right into a
2.3. And what better guide to

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take us through Atlanta's
underworld and the devil.

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Double.

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Seriously though, the double
have spent the last decade

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working with rappers from some
of the city's seamless

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neighborhoods and documenting
life in the traps that gave

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Atlanta scene and that scene.
His name.

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is pink city pink city is going
up with pink city was on how

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your street edge wouldn't own
Auburn and that was like the

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last of the Mohicans for like a
really rural rolling is Atlanta

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trout like pulled other shows
like

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fucking zombie movie

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no wait a minute he did
discussing certain trap houses

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just areas in Atlanta that would
that would traps I mean that

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were real trap so I played that
clip just to show you that

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there's levels to it the rappers
that you see that actually make

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trap music a lot of them don't
even go to the real trap sure of

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course they don't they don't
have good passes.

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Passes now that's not that's the
real thing.

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And that means but let me
explain what I mean.

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Go for 100 passes basically for
like artists. So when artists

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come to town

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doing shows because when you do
shows you're not doing the big

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arenas you're doing clubs and
those kind of things calls have

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to be made could taxes have to
be paid to get your hood pass so

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you don't get to see you don't
get shot?

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Well so you don't get a cost it
and your taxes are collected by

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force got it and what kind of
tax Could I expect for who would

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pass

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that would be negotiated by the
size of star like I said like I

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said they had they had what I'm
thinking that term they use but

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basically you had to make calls
before arranging visits to that

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town while everybody know hey
it's just like the mob

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it is well of course it is.
Yeah, let me see drugs payoffs

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sounds like organized crime
Yeah, and and in that previous

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clip I think at 1.2 BMF a black
mafia family was mentioned which

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is the the crew of all crews in
popular culture but we'll we'll

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get to them later on in the
show. I guess the question I

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have is a trap house now.

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This is where people also so I
mean with a trap House have 10

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people 100 people I mean how big
are these are these mansions?

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Are these rundown slums? Just
give me a Okay, picture. Okay,

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so what you have normally is,
you know, the smaller houses and

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low income communities. And you
don't have that many people. And

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I can say this own good account?
Because I mean, let me say I

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could say this. I had a very,
very, very, very close family

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member that had a trap house.
Okay, and usually what goes on

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in there is a lot of NBA
touquet, where at the time it

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was NBA Live, when I was
frequenting will displace a lot

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of weed smoke, um, and you do
your transactions out of the

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house, right? And you do the
processing? But then you have a

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a does the house. Does the house
take a piece of the transaction?

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No, the house is ran by the
lover whoever's transacting got

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it. Right. And then you have
several different trap house,

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one guy might have several
different trap houses. And the

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reason why I say this,

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even though I grew up in a
middle class, lower middle

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class,

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pride above lower middle class,
my mom, my dad was a teacher, my

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mom and social workers today
make a lot of money, but they

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made enough not for us to have
to live and you know,

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urban hoods, quote unquote pips,
good.

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But so but with family and those
kind of things, you would go to

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neighborhoods and be like, Oh,
that's a trap house not in

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Atlanta, there was a specific
type of trap house called a

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bandeau and abandoned house was
short for abandoned. So they

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would go in to abandoned house.

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Hook up power water, you know,
turn the water back on, with it

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with the right with the key to
the city with the college

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and get things poppin so the the
my version of this, and then

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when I was young, is someone
would have weed. And then we'd

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go to that someone's house whose
parents weren't there and it

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could easily be 10 guys, that
never girls 10 guys, we sit

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around we smoke weed, and then
we watch the faces of death

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video or maybe Diana Ross in the
round. I don't know why just

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remember that for some reason.
And you know, we see like, oh

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man, and this is teenager stuff.
But what it wasn't organized,

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but the guy who who had it would
also sell to you. So it was I

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guess a version of that.

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And they're really professional
because they level the trap

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houses. I mean, everybody calls
it a trap.

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If you are a low level dealer
you're not going to have your

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house set up in a way that a
real trap star right we'll have

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it set up. And that's what the
bars on the window windows and

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impenetrable Yeah. safe room in
the back. He's got the ladies

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processing the cash. Um, this is
my movie. Right this right

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that's that's but that's the
image of you know, this payment.

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And it was painted by movies cuz
sure the cooking up with women

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with no clothes on that.

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I'm thinking of. Exactly. Yeah,
one of those rooms. Because I

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plan to and then you know, you
have. Okay, so you have new jack

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city ministers Sati showed you
how to cook crap.

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Yeah, those are not movie
videos, basically.

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Exactly. So just just to lay it
out what's going on here and

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we're heading somewhere. But
let's go. Let's go ahead and get

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into 2.4 crackheads and Shin
Shin another Street. Like it was

444
00:31:06,330 --> 00:31:11,280
like an extended stay motel.
Maybe 17 or 18 rooms. And only

445
00:31:11,280 --> 00:31:15,600
motherfuckers or new adult boys
are smokers. So like, when you

446
00:31:15,600 --> 00:31:19,140
went in there was like, that was
a real trap. Like your enemy.

447
00:31:19,140 --> 00:31:21,330
They're not openly gay unless
they know who you are. Know what

448
00:31:21,330 --> 00:31:23,910
you're doing know what you want.
Like around the world, like

449
00:31:23,910 --> 00:31:25,890
people are using the word trap.
They don't even know what the

450
00:31:25,890 --> 00:31:29,070
fuck that means. You just get
trapped in it. I don't know. How

451
00:31:29,070 --> 00:31:29,310
do you?

452
00:31:37,260 --> 00:31:39,270
Is this a white girl? Yes.

453
00:31:46,440 --> 00:31:49,500
It's an Atlanta concept because
Atlanta was developed around

454
00:31:49,500 --> 00:31:52,710
railroads there's a lot of one
ways and dead ends. So when you

455
00:31:52,710 --> 00:31:54,900
pull into a one way or a dead
end, you go down to the end of

456
00:31:54,900 --> 00:31:56,190
the street where there's some
dope it.

457
00:31:57,960 --> 00:31:59,010
That's a fucking shrub.

458
00:32:01,740 --> 00:32:04,590
Because if they draw down on the
street, your fucking stone

459
00:32:05,370 --> 00:32:07,500
thinks that he may have been
paved under to make way for

460
00:32:07,500 --> 00:32:10,950
lofts and brunch spots. That
Atlanta has no shortage of other

461
00:32:10,950 --> 00:32:13,080
traps resisting the crush of
gentrification.

462
00:32:14,100 --> 00:32:17,700
No, okay. Got it. So, so the,

463
00:32:19,110 --> 00:32:23,640
the layout of the city, and how
the neighborhoods are configured

464
00:32:23,640 --> 00:32:25,320
one way is those kind of things.
Maybe we

465
00:32:26,850 --> 00:32:29,040
are, yeah, made it perfect for
this. Right.

466
00:32:30,060 --> 00:32:33,210
And there was one hotel in Derm.
While I'm, while I'm originally

467
00:32:33,210 --> 00:32:36,060
from it was right behind the
police department, and it was

468
00:32:36,060 --> 00:32:39,780
one of those kind of hotels
where you pay by the day. And

469
00:32:39,780 --> 00:32:41,970
you know, it's kind of that CD
thing.

470
00:32:43,260 --> 00:32:47,070
Yeah, but it was allowed to
happen. And it's not the city of

471
00:32:47,070 --> 00:32:49,740
Durham. I can't I can't remember
the name of now, but people from

472
00:32:49,740 --> 00:32:53,910
Durban know what I'm talking
about. Um, and it was allowed to

473
00:32:53,910 --> 00:32:57,870
be. And it was, I mean, cuz
like, you can set up a trap

474
00:32:57,870 --> 00:33:01,140
anywhere, to be honest, but I
don't want to get go down that

475
00:33:01,140 --> 00:33:05,610
rabbit hole. But now we have to
get into poo and vinit trap

476
00:33:05,610 --> 00:33:08,580
music. And there's a lot of
argument about this. Let's play

477
00:33:08,580 --> 00:33:11,430
the clip and then we're coming
back out to see who actually

478
00:33:11,430 --> 00:33:16,410
invented trap music in 2017. rap
and r&b surpass rock as the

479
00:33:16,410 --> 00:33:20,340
biggest genre in the US based on
album sales and string. And trap

480
00:33:20,490 --> 00:33:24,030
is arguably raps most popular
sub genre. That means millions

481
00:33:24,030 --> 00:33:27,510
of Americans of every shape
right now are listening to music

482
00:33:27,510 --> 00:33:30,360
that invokes the cultural legacy
and ongoing struggles of

483
00:33:30,360 --> 00:33:34,320
segregation, structural racism,
and urban violence. When you

484
00:33:34,320 --> 00:33:39,660
think about somebody like a TI,
right, he talks about the

485
00:33:39,840 --> 00:33:43,950
consequences of what it means to
be a trapper, and he uses the

486
00:33:43,950 --> 00:33:46,890
music to kind of work through
that this is really interesting

487
00:33:46,890 --> 00:33:48,840
to me how everything is all
strapped everything and I'm

488
00:33:48,840 --> 00:33:51,270
like, I mean I dealt with my
students so it's like you have

489
00:33:51,270 --> 00:33:55,050
trap yoga trap and paying trap
karaoke trap water. And I'm

490
00:33:55,050 --> 00:33:58,140
like, I mean, I am a trap
purist, I really need to get a

491
00:33:58,140 --> 00:34:01,020
shirt it's just basically me
sitting on the porch so to speak

492
00:34:01,050 --> 00:34:04,140
and being like shaking my fist
like no this isn't this

493
00:34:05,760 --> 00:34:10,080
but I'm slowly but surely coming
to you know grips with the fact

494
00:34:10,080 --> 00:34:14,430
that trap music is now trap
aesthetics because it does have

495
00:34:14,460 --> 00:34:18,450
that kind of distinct print that
can be used to update or remix

496
00:34:18,480 --> 00:34:22,170
other genres that are already in
place. But I also wish that

497
00:34:22,170 --> 00:34:25,380
folks would also you know,
basically give receipts and

498
00:34:25,380 --> 00:34:27,750
credit where credit is due just
just didn't come out of nowhere

499
00:34:27,750 --> 00:34:29,670
attracting just come out of
nowhere. You know what I'm

500
00:34:29,670 --> 00:34:30,090
saying?

501
00:34:31,110 --> 00:34:34,170
Man, I got to open a trap
karaoke bar in Austin

502
00:34:40,020 --> 00:34:44,670
that's just perfect because it's
been monetized so much they have

503
00:34:44,880 --> 00:34:49,320
a sheet a trap water trap yoga,
right when I hear commercials

504
00:34:49,350 --> 00:34:53,910
now have trapped me Yeah, when I
hear someone say the systemic

505
00:34:53,940 --> 00:34:57,540
racism I'm thinking okay, traps
been hijacked. Probably.

506
00:34:59,460 --> 00:34:59,910
Yes.

507
00:35:01,620 --> 00:35:05,370
very very long time ago and it
started with these two gentlemen

508
00:35:05,400 --> 00:35:09,810
in the verses. But so let's just
have a quick conversation on who

509
00:35:09,810 --> 00:35:14,460
started trap. So some people say
to started trap because he had

510
00:35:14,460 --> 00:35:18,150
an album his I think his first
album is called trap music. But

511
00:35:18,420 --> 00:35:22,530
who brings to mind the first
Trapper I remember seeing was

512
00:35:22,530 --> 00:35:27,660
cool breeze. He used to be an
outcast. And he kind of set that

513
00:35:28,110 --> 00:35:34,530
model for you know, like the the
Atlanta trap trap. Trap boy. So

514
00:35:35,550 --> 00:35:38,970
yeah, so I mean, he is who and
then people some people say well

515
00:35:39,000 --> 00:35:42,720
Gucci man started and other
people say well, Jeezy made it

516
00:35:42,720 --> 00:35:47,760
popular and this is where the
crooks comes in of who birth

517
00:35:47,940 --> 00:35:48,810
trap music.

518
00:35:50,130 --> 00:35:53,400
Also, I want to make one more
point and then we can move on.

519
00:35:54,480 --> 00:35:58,470
It always troubled me that it
was called a trap. I'm like,

520
00:35:58,470 --> 00:36:02,100
Hello, is the Ernie loss. Don't
use it. It's called a trap.

521
00:36:02,130 --> 00:36:07,560
Right? Your plan with your life
one way and one way out. Like

522
00:36:07,560 --> 00:36:14,100
the master or Dan, or dead end.
Right. So I've never that's why

523
00:36:14,100 --> 00:36:19,320
I was it's weird because me
coming up. I was Listen, I

524
00:36:19,320 --> 00:36:22,740
listen to podcasts and Goodie
Mob. And there were from

525
00:36:22,740 --> 00:36:28,020
Atlanta. And they looked at the
trap as a negative. So when

526
00:36:28,140 --> 00:36:30,780
especially the outcome, it
wasn't the outcast wasn't their

527
00:36:30,780 --> 00:36:36,510
whole vibe to be positive and
upbeat. Yeah, but what about but

528
00:36:36,510 --> 00:36:40,590
while being realistic? I mean,
they didn't sugarcoat it, right?

529
00:36:40,620 --> 00:36:43,380
They were like, yeah, we know,
these are the things but it's,

530
00:36:43,890 --> 00:36:47,670
um, we got to do better, like
when they're famous songs would

531
00:36:47,670 --> 00:36:50,490
get up, get out and do
something, right. So there were

532
00:36:50,490 --> 00:36:55,350
always positive. So when I
started to hear this, quote,

533
00:36:55,350 --> 00:36:57,390
unquote, Trap Music come in.

534
00:36:59,430 --> 00:37:02,190
I had mixed feelings about it,
because I'm like, I grew up

535
00:37:02,250 --> 00:37:09,330
thinking this. But at some
point, crack was made cool. And

536
00:37:09,330 --> 00:37:13,500
I think that really gained
popularity with JC there was a

537
00:37:13,500 --> 00:37:16,260
lot of drug dealer rappers
before him. I'm not saying that.

538
00:37:16,800 --> 00:37:23,130
But he laid down the blueprint
of sell drugs. get famous. Take

539
00:37:23,130 --> 00:37:23,940
that money.

540
00:37:25,020 --> 00:37:28,980
Yeah, sell drugs, take that
money, get famous. Yeah, flip it

541
00:37:28,980 --> 00:37:32,370
and flip it into your music
career. Right? And that's how

542
00:37:32,370 --> 00:37:36,060
you get out. I mean, it's like
get in get your money started

543
00:37:36,060 --> 00:37:39,120
label, and then you can be
successful. And that's what

544
00:37:39,600 --> 00:37:45,330
Curtis snover referring to, you
know, the money like drug

545
00:37:45,330 --> 00:37:48,630
dealers with fun rappers. They
were looking for rappers to fun

546
00:37:48,630 --> 00:37:52,620
like, Oh, you can rap. You can
claim our set. You can claim our

547
00:37:52,620 --> 00:37:55,920
crew we put our chain on you and
a chain. It's very important.

548
00:37:56,400 --> 00:38:00,450
The chains are people think
these chains are just jury. No,

549
00:38:00,510 --> 00:38:01,830
no, no, no.

550
00:38:03,060 --> 00:38:06,390
They are very important. You're
going to hear why later on.

551
00:38:07,680 --> 00:38:11,790
But that's kind of how this
whole thing started.

552
00:38:12,900 --> 00:38:16,200
happening because you had a
Goswell bunch of money that will

553
00:38:16,200 --> 00:38:20,250
look in the laundry. So it's
like, let's start a label who

554
00:38:20,490 --> 00:38:23,760
who was really that? You know, I
understand the content I

555
00:38:23,760 --> 00:38:24,450
understand

556
00:38:25,620 --> 00:38:29,130
the lyrics but really the beats
really the music which is very

557
00:38:29,130 --> 00:38:34,200
distinct. And who would you say
was the beat master that started

558
00:38:34,200 --> 00:38:38,730
that intro you had to you had
the ADA way come from Miami sub

559
00:38:38,730 --> 00:38:42,450
base. And then you had the you
know, the high hats the triple

560
00:38:42,450 --> 00:38:43,140
high hats.

561
00:38:44,880 --> 00:38:50,070
who started it? Well, you got DJ
temp, he gave us the TR flavor

562
00:38:50,070 --> 00:38:54,450
trap music. But zaytoven

563
00:38:58,470 --> 00:39:00,030
I want to say

564
00:39:02,610 --> 00:39:06,720
it's a book. You got to get me
killed because I don't want to

565
00:39:06,720 --> 00:39:10,860
give credit on your credit.
That's okay. Well, yeah, it was

566
00:39:10,890 --> 00:39:15,660
it was several different
producers that that had artists

567
00:39:15,660 --> 00:39:19,920
they work with that they've
stylized their type of trap.

568
00:39:20,190 --> 00:39:23,880
Okay, but I will say zeto there
Okay, let me explain this. The

569
00:39:23,880 --> 00:39:30,540
trap music that we hear popular
now was birth by zaytoven and

570
00:39:30,540 --> 00:39:35,310
gucci mane. There was a another
trap like shorty red and Gz

571
00:39:35,850 --> 00:39:40,140
which was probably the most
commercial successful trap

572
00:39:40,140 --> 00:39:45,870
music. There is. But it didn't
take hold like Gucci man's trap

573
00:39:45,870 --> 00:39:47,670
means and they all this is
important, but I know people

574
00:39:47,670 --> 00:39:50,610
like why are we talked about
ranking? Is it too early for me

575
00:39:50,610 --> 00:39:54,000
to talk about crunk because
that's that I do know. Well,

576
00:39:54,000 --> 00:39:59,970
crunk crunk was pre dated. Trap.
Ah, okay, which

577
00:40:00,299 --> 00:40:02,429
That was Littlejohn in a Star
Wars.

578
00:40:03,780 --> 00:40:04,830
That energy

579
00:40:05,879 --> 00:40:09,239
that was Crump. So but when the
lead comes in that doesn't

580
00:40:09,239 --> 00:40:13,169
really mix with, with, with the
crusher, that's when you get the

581
00:40:13,169 --> 00:40:17,399
slow down with the double high
hats. Really chopping screw

582
00:40:17,399 --> 00:40:21,029
plays a lot into this too.
That's from Houston, where they

583
00:40:21,029 --> 00:40:24,569
would slow the music down really
slow. And this is like the

584
00:40:24,569 --> 00:40:28,229
effect of drugs having on the
music and the taste. But yeah,

585
00:40:28,259 --> 00:40:31,649
so Okay, I don't want to get
caught too much into the weeds

586
00:40:31,649 --> 00:40:35,519
of it. But that's the history of
trap. Now I want to Oh, well, we

587
00:40:35,519 --> 00:40:40,649
got one more clip, and we're
gonna explain how historical

588
00:40:40,649 --> 00:40:45,749
decisions actually created the
geographical trap in Atlanta. We

589
00:40:45,749 --> 00:40:49,049
talked to Kevin Cruz today about
his article and his book white

590
00:40:49,049 --> 00:40:52,259
flight to see if we could find
any solutions to Atlanta traffic

591
00:40:52,259 --> 00:40:56,189
problem. The rise of the modern
expressway movement, the

592
00:40:56,189 --> 00:41:00,269
interstate highways in the 50s.
Really obviously a postwar

593
00:41:00,299 --> 00:41:04,499
transformation that hit American
cities at the same time. A lot

594
00:41:04,499 --> 00:41:07,349
of them are wrestling with
issues of segregation. Cruz says

595
00:41:07,349 --> 00:41:10,679
there are two ways constructing
highways played into segregation

596
00:41:10,709 --> 00:41:13,439
making the highway so that it
destroys poor black

597
00:41:13,439 --> 00:41:16,859
neighborhoods, or make a highway
that separates them from white

598
00:41:16,859 --> 00:41:19,769
neighborhoods. Local officials
have a say in where these roads

599
00:41:19,769 --> 00:41:22,319
get placed. And it shouldn't be
a surprise that as they're

600
00:41:22,319 --> 00:41:24,599
thinking about where they're
going to drop highways and

601
00:41:24,599 --> 00:41:27,599
destroy neighborhoods, they
invariably single out what they

602
00:41:27,599 --> 00:41:30,959
see is the worst neighborhoods
in their communities. And these

603
00:41:30,959 --> 00:41:33,689
are overwhelmingly poor
communities. And most places

604
00:41:33,689 --> 00:41:36,449
these are overwhelmingly African
American or in some places

605
00:41:36,449 --> 00:41:40,949
Latino neighborhoods. This split
is most noticeable along I 20. A

606
00:41:40,949 --> 00:41:43,679
report from the Georgia
historical society says that

607
00:41:43,679 --> 00:41:47,189
while deciding the route of i
20, the Atlanta bureau of

608
00:41:47,189 --> 00:41:50,279
planning said it would be the
boundary between white and

609
00:41:50,279 --> 00:41:54,389
African American communities
with that logic in mind, is how

610
00:41:54,389 --> 00:41:56,489
you get the kind of the
contorted and

611
00:41:57,600 --> 00:42:00,210
in weird ways in which the
highways in Atlanta and other

612
00:42:00,210 --> 00:42:02,580
cities take place. It only makes
sense if you're thinking about,

613
00:42:03,000 --> 00:42:06,210
well, just from a pure traffic
facilitation standpoint, we

614
00:42:06,210 --> 00:42:09,600
would put them this way. Yeah,
Austin, Texas is a great example

615
00:42:09,600 --> 00:42:14,610
of that. Where we have I 35.
Sorry, no good. Yeah, we have I

616
00:42:14,610 --> 00:42:18,900
35 going right through town and
east side is always been poor

617
00:42:19,110 --> 00:42:22,950
pips black, that's where I live.
And to be honest, we have a bit

618
00:42:22,950 --> 00:42:28,860
of a trap problem here. But not
so not so much trap houses. But

619
00:42:29,070 --> 00:42:32,310
we got a lot of people who got
high powered stereos in their

620
00:42:32,310 --> 00:42:36,240
cars. And they like to
congregate at night. And the

621
00:42:36,240 --> 00:42:41,340
bass rattles my windows. That's
the traps the trap. That's

622
00:42:41,340 --> 00:42:44,760
that's the eight. Oh, wait,
wait, that's that's the drum

623
00:42:44,760 --> 00:42:48,900
machine. That is the not only
the drum machine, but that bass.

624
00:42:48,960 --> 00:42:52,590
Mm hmm. That is the signature
sound that and a triplet. Haha,

625
00:42:52,620 --> 00:42:56,040
that is a signature sound of
trap music that thump. Yeah, and

626
00:42:56,040 --> 00:42:59,010
you got to have big speakers in
your car to play the thump.

627
00:42:59,040 --> 00:43:01,830
Yeah, and that's a southern
thing, because in New York, he

628
00:43:01,830 --> 00:43:05,790
didn't have cars. So you will
listen to your music in like, on

629
00:43:05,790 --> 00:43:08,490
boombox, our, our headphones.

630
00:43:09,780 --> 00:43:13,500
down south, we we had cars
because you had to have a car to

631
00:43:13,500 --> 00:43:16,650
get around. You have public
transportation, right? Like you

632
00:43:16,650 --> 00:43:19,650
do in the north. So the first
thing you did was get

633
00:43:20,850 --> 00:43:24,900
a speaker's I don't care how
raggedy car, the car or some

634
00:43:24,900 --> 00:43:29,490
speakers, right? You had to get
some speakers and get across

635
00:43:29,940 --> 00:43:32,820
loud. Yeah, you got to have the
app. But you know, the

636
00:43:32,820 --> 00:43:38,100
crossover, the tape deck, CD
deck. Just as an aside, there

637
00:43:38,100 --> 00:43:41,280
were I forget, it was in the
Netherlands. And it was at the

638
00:43:41,280 --> 00:43:45,120
height of my television career
there. And somehow I was paid to

639
00:43:45,120 --> 00:43:50,190
do an appearance at a car show
that was specifically for audio.

640
00:43:50,190 --> 00:43:51,180
Now I'm talking.

641
00:43:52,500 --> 00:43:53,700
I'm talking 80s

642
00:43:54,870 --> 00:43:58,410
when it was just starting with
the crazy ass amps. And I

643
00:43:58,410 --> 00:44:01,350
remember, there was a contest
and some for some reason I

644
00:44:01,350 --> 00:44:05,040
participated sit in the car for
I think it was two minutes at

645
00:44:05,040 --> 00:44:08,700
full blast. And I think it
actually did something. I mean,

646
00:44:08,700 --> 00:44:12,720
here I am with hearing problems.
But it was unbeliev it wasn't so

647
00:44:12,720 --> 00:44:16,320
much the sound. It was just how
how your body vibrated.

648
00:44:17,460 --> 00:44:20,550
And that's part of the sense
that cars, and that's so for

649
00:44:20,550 --> 00:44:24,510
some people that's desired. My
brother, he had a Cherokee, and

650
00:44:24,510 --> 00:44:28,950
he had like 215 and it was like
1000 watt amp. And it would it

651
00:44:28,950 --> 00:44:31,410
would basically take your
breath. Yeah, it was hit so

652
00:44:31,410 --> 00:44:36,570
hard. Oh, yeah. So that mean
that is a real stupid shit we do

653
00:44:36,570 --> 00:44:40,710
as humans, I'm never never cease
to be amazed. Well, it's a

654
00:44:40,710 --> 00:44:45,060
mating ritual. Sure. That's
exactly what it is. You can pull

655
00:44:45,060 --> 00:44:45,390
up your

656
00:44:46,650 --> 00:44:47,610
attention. Yep.

657
00:44:49,650 --> 00:44:54,330
attention seeking mating. That's
a mating ritual. Irrespective of

658
00:44:54,330 --> 00:44:58,710
color. Yeah. So I just want I
mean, all these things have

659
00:44:59,190 --> 00:44:59,940
subtext.

660
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:03,450
to it, it's just not I mean a
lot of things. A lot of times

661
00:45:03,450 --> 00:45:06,780
people just look at the surface
and make judgment and don't

662
00:45:06,780 --> 00:45:08,790
really want to get into the
weeds but that's what we're

663
00:45:08,790 --> 00:45:11,550
gonna do. That's what we do
here. We were on a week to week

664
00:45:11,550 --> 00:45:16,560
basis, show the show basis but
specifically this show because

665
00:45:16,560 --> 00:45:20,550
there's a lot to get to it. So
Atlanta was the mecca of the

666
00:45:20,550 --> 00:45:21,000
South.

667
00:45:23,040 --> 00:45:26,100
We you lived in the south, you
didn't say I'm gonna go to New

668
00:45:26,100 --> 00:45:29,340
York and make it. It was I want
to go to Atlanta what is the

669
00:45:29,340 --> 00:45:33,030
Atlanta doing? That was the
sister city to like Charlotte,

670
00:45:33,030 --> 00:45:36,060
North Carolina and Garmin. The
same things you saw there how

671
00:45:36,060 --> 00:45:40,590
they said the highways destroyed
Atlanta, dirt freeway destroyed

672
00:45:40,590 --> 00:45:45,330
hayti in turn, it ran right down
the middle. So in these next set

673
00:45:45,330 --> 00:45:49,560
of clips, we have where the
Atlanta and trap

674
00:45:51,540 --> 00:45:55,020
effect is spilling over into
small towns.

675
00:45:56,760 --> 00:46:00,180
You may remember the story about
four Lagrange teenagers who say

676
00:46:00,180 --> 00:46:03,720
they were approached by a gang
member those teenagers said no

677
00:46:03,720 --> 00:46:06,900
and in turn us the CEO the
housing authority for jobs

678
00:46:07,050 --> 00:46:10,710
several times and they never
gave up. Please say gangs are no

679
00:46:10,710 --> 00:46:13,710
longer just an inner city
problem and it exists in small

680
00:46:13,710 --> 00:46:17,370
towns to the Lagrange gang unit
took Fox wives Nathalie pozo

681
00:46:17,370 --> 00:46:20,700
through some of the violence
street gang areas, and athlete

682
00:46:20,700 --> 00:46:24,060
detectives tell you that gangs
have always had a place in small

683
00:46:24,060 --> 00:46:27,630
towns in a tom the gang unit
with Lagrange to tell me the

684
00:46:27,630 --> 00:46:31,800
structure for gangs in the city
have always existed. A few guys

685
00:46:31,800 --> 00:46:34,500
getting together and vowing to
protect their neighborhood.

686
00:46:34,680 --> 00:46:37,500
Investigators say when known
gangs like the Bloods or the

687
00:46:37,500 --> 00:46:41,370
Crips and larger cities like New
York and Chicago find out about

688
00:46:41,370 --> 00:46:44,970
the structure. They offer their
support becoming more

689
00:46:44,970 --> 00:46:45,810
widespread.

690
00:46:50,640 --> 00:46:54,900
It's a place where children play
an innocent scene. It's also a

691
00:46:54,900 --> 00:46:57,750
place where innocence is lost.

692
00:46:58,890 --> 00:47:01,890
Police a places like these
basketball courts can be a

693
00:47:01,890 --> 00:47:04,740
recruiting base for violent
street gangs. I will play a

694
00:47:04,740 --> 00:47:05,640
basketball and

695
00:47:07,680 --> 00:47:11,520
soccer sound a lot to her house.
I do want to be in a gang. 14

696
00:47:11,520 --> 00:47:15,030
year old demand and D on wood
art and 13 year old Jaylen Parr

697
00:47:15,030 --> 00:47:18,540
Hammond, Dileep Smith say they
were approached by a gang member

698
00:47:18,540 --> 00:47:21,180
at the Lagrange housing
authorities basketball court.

699
00:47:22,230 --> 00:47:22,560
Yeah.

700
00:47:23,910 --> 00:47:29,100
So, so these gangs Well, it
started from the north, right

701
00:47:29,130 --> 00:47:31,530
when you had all this supply.

702
00:47:32,670 --> 00:47:35,910
And, and it was a saturated
market. It's like,

703
00:47:37,350 --> 00:47:42,480
where do we go? So it was a term
called going down south in New

704
00:47:42,480 --> 00:47:46,860
York and other places, they will
go to DC and DC and New York has

705
00:47:46,860 --> 00:47:51,930
a rival that mean that still got
a robbery that goes on to this

706
00:47:51,930 --> 00:47:52,380
day.

707
00:47:53,400 --> 00:47:57,180
Even in Derm we don't really
care for New York people.

708
00:47:57,750 --> 00:48:01,560
Because the people you came
encounter with from New York not

709
00:48:01,590 --> 00:48:06,450
all but some wanted to come in,
set up shop. Yeah, take over,

710
00:48:06,630 --> 00:48:10,020
like a franchise. It was a well
wasn't me take over business. It

711
00:48:10,020 --> 00:48:13,770
was a drug franchise, right? I
mean, have your mom and pops

712
00:48:14,220 --> 00:48:16,800
thing going? It's like I want to
bring a McDonald's name because

713
00:48:16,800 --> 00:48:21,330
I have this all just inventory
so I can drop the price down.

714
00:48:21,390 --> 00:48:25,740
It's a good one. No, just a
thought that crossed my head is

715
00:48:25,740 --> 00:48:29,520
that the somewhere along the
lines in this episode, people

716
00:48:29,520 --> 00:48:33,240
are going to realize how
important the corrupt banking

717
00:48:33,240 --> 00:48:35,580
system is. This is exactly why
you be

718
00:48:37,230 --> 00:48:38,010
UBS.

719
00:48:39,510 --> 00:48:45,750
HSBC, the bank existed, they
were laundering billions of

720
00:48:45,750 --> 00:48:50,160
dollars. Billions. I've always
said the 2008.

721
00:48:53,490 --> 00:48:55,830
The great what the Great
Recession.

722
00:48:57,420 --> 00:49:00,660
If we didn't have a drug trade,
you and I would not be talking

723
00:49:00,660 --> 00:49:05,790
right now. This country, most
countries need drugs to run

724
00:49:06,060 --> 00:49:09,570
weeks, the system doesn't work
without it. And we're talking

725
00:49:09,570 --> 00:49:12,510
about, you know, the on the
street level, but this goes way

726
00:49:12,510 --> 00:49:15,750
up the chain. And it's funny
that you say that because that

727
00:49:15,750 --> 00:49:19,530
was the height of trap music. Or
that was when Trap Music

728
00:49:21,960 --> 00:49:26,700
took his place as the King of
rap. right in that very same

729
00:49:26,700 --> 00:49:29,100
time. And I was just like, I
will love to go back and

730
00:49:29,370 --> 00:49:32,490
explore. You know that the
correlation between those two

731
00:49:32,490 --> 00:49:35,790
happening. There's so much so
much more happening than we

732
00:49:35,790 --> 00:49:38,370
probably realized that would be
a great documentary and probably

733
00:49:38,370 --> 00:49:43,620
a life a lifetime work to to
figure that out. Yeah. So you

734
00:49:43,620 --> 00:49:45,840
can see here now they're
recruiting. I mean, just like

735
00:49:45,840 --> 00:49:48,360
when a McDonald's or Starbucks
comes to town, you have to have

736
00:49:48,360 --> 00:49:51,090
employees. So we

737
00:49:52,560 --> 00:49:55,560
are now Yep, go to the
basketball court and a housing

738
00:49:55,560 --> 00:49:59,850
project. Yeah. And that was the
ideal place to recruit.

739
00:50:01,260 --> 00:50:05,490
We can hear more with small town
too. And they can't ask No, we

740
00:50:05,490 --> 00:50:09,360
can't say no. Because I don't
want to is a lot of people

741
00:50:09,390 --> 00:50:13,890
getting killed, you still fall
gang and gone to so I want to do

742
00:50:14,610 --> 00:50:18,150
so they very persistently asked
the CEO at the Lagrange housing

743
00:50:18,150 --> 00:50:22,620
authorities jaja heard for a job
heard says when she realized why

744
00:50:22,620 --> 00:50:26,580
they wanted work, she hired them
on the spot. We've got to find

745
00:50:26,580 --> 00:50:29,850
them something to do. We have to
do it. There's just no way I can

746
00:50:29,850 --> 00:50:32,940
just send them back out and
potentially be on again.

747
00:50:36,600 --> 00:50:39,660
Sergeant Mark cavinder with the
Lagrange gang unit knows the

748
00:50:39,660 --> 00:50:40,950
streets of Lagrange,

749
00:50:42,000 --> 00:50:45,450
pointing out the graffiti and
high profile gang areas.

750
00:50:48,750 --> 00:50:51,660
Sergeant cavinder says rural
communities are a breeding

751
00:50:51,660 --> 00:50:54,990
ground for well organized
criminal street gangs associated

752
00:50:54,990 --> 00:50:58,890
with larger cities in search of
existing structure in small

753
00:50:58,890 --> 00:51:02,010
towns. Okay, you've already got
the structure in the foundation.

754
00:51:02,610 --> 00:51:05,070
We're going to give you the back
end and the support of the

755
00:51:05,070 --> 00:51:08,160
rolling 60. Crips or the power
rule blood. Sergeant cavinder

756
00:51:08,160 --> 00:51:11,430
says they also look out for gang
members who migrate from other

757
00:51:11,430 --> 00:51:14,760
areas into Georgia and Lagrange
they do have their local

758
00:51:14,760 --> 00:51:18,780
leaders. But we do have evidence
that suggests that there's

759
00:51:19,350 --> 00:51:22,710
funding as well as reporting
back to and even taking orders

760
00:51:22,920 --> 00:51:26,700
from other nationally known gang
sets such as the Gangster

761
00:51:26,700 --> 00:51:30,960
Disciples, eight, two bishops. I
guess at this point, I'm

762
00:51:30,960 --> 00:51:36,120
curious. The gangs that trap
gangs all black or they're

763
00:51:36,120 --> 00:51:39,210
Latinos, are they separate
gangs? Are they intermingle?

764
00:51:39,210 --> 00:51:42,270
It's I mean, I know it's a lot
of questions. But no, no, no,

765
00:51:42,270 --> 00:51:47,580
no, it's great. It's well, the
gangs themselves are

766
00:51:47,580 --> 00:51:52,260
neighborhood based. And I want
to point that out because when I

767
00:51:52,260 --> 00:51:54,150
graduated in 1999,

768
00:51:55,470 --> 00:52:00,840
I barely knew any people that
were in the gangs that we know

769
00:52:00,840 --> 00:52:03,270
Bloods and Crips, it was more
neighborhoods. You had Brad

770
00:52:03,270 --> 00:52:08,220
town, wall town, pew gardens,
MacDougal terrorist, all these

771
00:52:08,220 --> 00:52:13,410
neighborhoods. But in a year of
me going off and coming back to

772
00:52:13,410 --> 00:52:16,830
Durham when I went to college
for a year came back. Gangs were

773
00:52:16,860 --> 00:52:20,430
everywhere to the point where
Durham little Durham, North

774
00:52:20,430 --> 00:52:22,590
Carolina has two gang
documentaries.

775
00:52:25,050 --> 00:52:28,920
That's how fast people come in.
And I think this was spread

776
00:52:28,920 --> 00:52:33,180
through the federal prison
system. Because when you would

777
00:52:33,210 --> 00:52:37,050
get locked up and you get
recruited, whatnot, they would

778
00:52:37,050 --> 00:52:39,570
send you all over the place all
over the country. And then you

779
00:52:39,570 --> 00:52:43,620
might get locked up in North
Carolina and you go to Oklahoma,

780
00:52:44,010 --> 00:52:48,210
and you might meet a guy from
California there and he might

781
00:52:48,210 --> 00:52:51,480
have a Connect but he liked what
you got to know claim this or

782
00:52:51,480 --> 00:52:56,490
that it's all franchise and you
know, bring the franchise back.

783
00:52:57,000 --> 00:53:01,530
You hire Are you employees This
is how it works. It's no

784
00:53:01,530 --> 00:53:05,310
different than any other
business demonizing now it's

785
00:53:05,760 --> 00:53:07,230
very important business.

786
00:53:08,550 --> 00:53:12,600
Yeah, so you bring your
franchise back. say here's your

787
00:53:12,600 --> 00:53:18,270
uniforms, you change your chain.
Here's your chain and you set up

788
00:53:18,270 --> 00:53:22,920
shop and I think that the
federal prison system I

789
00:53:23,970 --> 00:53:29,460
I'm pretty sure spread a lot of
gang activity one being because

790
00:53:29,550 --> 00:53:33,090
in button on North Carolina,
which is like 20 minutes outside

791
00:53:33,090 --> 00:53:36,870
of Durham is a huge federal
penitentiary.

792
00:53:37,890 --> 00:53:42,480
penitentiary Yes. And I think a
lot of the gang activity and

793
00:53:42,480 --> 00:53:45,060
Derm came from there so

794
00:53:47,340 --> 00:53:51,600
so yeah, so we ablaze over there
small a small town so I'm just

795
00:53:51,600 --> 00:53:54,840
I'm showing that how these
things happen in major cities.

796
00:53:54,990 --> 00:53:57,810
I've never owned a shop up I've
never understood towns I've

797
00:53:57,810 --> 00:53:59,040
never understood why

798
00:54:00,240 --> 00:54:04,380
prisoners go you know, you can
be arrested arraigned, etc.

799
00:54:05,220 --> 00:54:08,220
sentence in North Carolina, but
you gotta go serve in a whole

800
00:54:08,220 --> 00:54:11,610
nother state. I've never really
known what the purpose of that

801
00:54:11,610 --> 00:54:14,550
was. Besides that you don't have
a federal prison in every state.

802
00:54:14,550 --> 00:54:18,720
I understand that. If you want
to be nefarious is a great way

803
00:54:18,720 --> 00:54:19,980
to go across.

804
00:54:21,960 --> 00:54:28,320
Exactly. This seems like a huge
failure on recidivism. Just that

805
00:54:28,320 --> 00:54:31,050
one simple fact putting people
in different places where they

806
00:54:31,050 --> 00:54:34,950
meet new new criminal gang
members and might decide to set

807
00:54:34,950 --> 00:54:39,870
up shop elsewhere. And I'm going
to foreshadow here because one

808
00:54:39,870 --> 00:54:44,400
of the popular documentaries of
the early 1990s was a banging in

809
00:54:44,400 --> 00:54:48,180
Little Rock HPL Yeah, I remember
that. And in Little Rock, it was

810
00:54:48,180 --> 00:54:51,270
nothing but Bloods and Crips,
right and to myself I was baking

811
00:54:51,510 --> 00:54:55,170
powder down. Bloods and Crips
get into small little,

812
00:54:56,340 --> 00:55:00,000
little rock. How'd that happen?
But we

813
00:55:00,000 --> 00:55:04,860
See later? How I think it
happened. Okay. Okay. Yeah, cuz

814
00:55:04,860 --> 00:55:08,370
that was a California gang. I
mean New York, they had Bloods

815
00:55:08,370 --> 00:55:12,300
and that kind of thing. But just
to see these kind of things

816
00:55:12,300 --> 00:55:15,120
spread it spread through music
and I think the federal

817
00:55:15,120 --> 00:55:19,410
penitentiary system, that's just
my, my, my perspective, my

818
00:55:19,410 --> 00:55:23,040
perspective. So I guess we can
go wrap up with the final clip

819
00:55:23,040 --> 00:55:26,040
from our small town.
Investigators say the best

820
00:55:26,040 --> 00:55:29,610
recruiting tools are fear,
intimidation, and the chance for

821
00:55:29,610 --> 00:55:34,020
fatherless boys to feel a sense
of belonging to kids who have

822
00:55:34,320 --> 00:55:37,590
little to no involved family
involvement at home.

823
00:55:38,820 --> 00:55:42,780
You know, these gangs will, will
give them that they'll give them

824
00:55:42,780 --> 00:55:45,630
that family feeling that you
belong to us as soon as

825
00:55:45,630 --> 00:55:49,200
belonging, Sergeant cavinder
says arresting people will not

826
00:55:49,200 --> 00:55:52,830
solve the gang problem. The only
way to change the problem is to

827
00:55:52,830 --> 00:55:56,100
change the thinking sports
activities and people taking

828
00:55:56,100 --> 00:56:00,870
time with them other than the
gangs or the crime side and

829
00:56:00,870 --> 00:56:03,300
mentor them along the way and
helping them

830
00:56:05,220 --> 00:56:10,890
help is what these teams got.
They keep up the garden, clean

831
00:56:10,890 --> 00:56:15,750
the chicken coop and more stable
out Trey Hurd knows there are

832
00:56:15,750 --> 00:56:19,320
other kids out there who need
help. And as hard as it is she's

833
00:56:19,320 --> 00:56:22,650
had to turn children away,
because they simply do not have

834
00:56:22,650 --> 00:56:26,700
the space we lose them. So
that's concerning. Because I've

835
00:56:26,700 --> 00:56:29,820
heard the teacher say these were
really three good kids, but we

836
00:56:29,820 --> 00:56:32,970
lost them heard believes there's
a lack of programs in the

837
00:56:32,970 --> 00:56:36,360
community and feels that they
were more community engagement,

838
00:56:36,360 --> 00:56:40,530
mentoring and education programs
in elementary schools, children

839
00:56:40,560 --> 00:56:43,290
would have an alternative but
we're hoping to catch up capture

840
00:56:43,290 --> 00:56:46,950
them now at five, six and seven.
So when they become a teenager

841
00:56:46,950 --> 00:56:50,040
that desire to be in a gang is
not even there to wrap up on the

842
00:56:50,040 --> 00:56:53,490
small town. I like to make a
couple of points, one, so I

843
00:56:54,840 --> 00:56:57,660
I was born in Springdale, North
Carolina now I moved to Durham

844
00:56:57,660 --> 00:57:00,600
when I was like nine years old.
But I will always go back to

845
00:57:00,600 --> 00:57:03,810
spend every summer to stay at my
grandparents and my my all my

846
00:57:03,810 --> 00:57:07,200
family center, their uncles
still kind of thing. So I would

847
00:57:07,200 --> 00:57:10,050
go back. And I remember when
someone when I went back

848
00:57:11,730 --> 00:57:16,620
there was this guy named I just
call him s right. So s ki lived

849
00:57:16,620 --> 00:57:20,610
down the street from my art and
my living in a low income

850
00:57:20,610 --> 00:57:24,660
neighborhood. And he was like
the first in hindsight, the

851
00:57:24,660 --> 00:57:30,150
first drug dealer. I saw up
close because him and my brother

852
00:57:30,150 --> 00:57:33,000
went to school, um, when my
brother went to school back in

853
00:57:33,000 --> 00:57:37,680
spindle which is a very small
town in North Carolina. So when

854
00:57:39,180 --> 00:57:41,190
he like he had a gun and

855
00:57:42,240 --> 00:57:47,160
he I mean, cuz I mean, you don't
see my handgun. I never forget,

856
00:57:47,160 --> 00:57:49,530
it was a blue nine millimeter.
And that was like the most

857
00:57:49,530 --> 00:57:54,900
fascinating thing to me a blue
gun, right? So, um, and he had a

858
00:57:55,020 --> 00:58:00,180
CD player and a Mustang and he
always bought food for everybody

859
00:58:00,180 --> 00:58:04,590
and everybody loved him. And
it's not this. People want to

860
00:58:04,590 --> 00:58:08,100
make it like all they're
oppressing the communities. El

861
00:58:08,100 --> 00:58:12,030
Chapo is loved in his community
also was john Gotti I mean, the

862
00:58:12,030 --> 00:58:15,510
same thing they these guys were
handing out cash to people who

863
00:58:15,510 --> 00:58:17,910
needed it, of course, that
that's how you run a successful

864
00:58:17,910 --> 00:58:21,750
criminal organization as
syndicated Sure. And I'm gonna

865
00:58:21,750 --> 00:58:24,120
take the alliott handing out
cash and I'm going to open on

866
00:58:24,120 --> 00:58:27,600
home with the wrapping up the
story. So there was another guy

867
00:58:27,930 --> 00:58:32,340
that, um, you know, participated
in the illegal pharmaceutical

868
00:58:32,340 --> 00:58:36,360
trade. And what he would do is
so we had this gym that will

869
00:58:36,390 --> 00:58:39,570
open and we miss Mr. Monroe god
bless Mr. Brimmer. Oh

870
00:58:39,600 --> 00:58:43,710
breastpiece um, he would open
the gym up and that gave kids

871
00:58:43,710 --> 00:58:46,170
something to do our parents were
at work or whatever, you

872
00:58:46,170 --> 00:58:50,880
couldn't afford a daycare at his
summer camp. Now, you will go to

873
00:58:50,880 --> 00:58:54,390
the gym, play basketball, uno
those kind of things for square,

874
00:58:54,570 --> 00:58:57,180
but it was this guy will ride
around the whole summer.

875
00:58:58,200 --> 00:59:02,610
He would drop dollars out of his
car. And it was like a game. He

876
00:59:02,610 --> 00:59:06,300
would come by drop a handful of
dollars out and kids was

877
00:59:06,300 --> 00:59:10,020
scrambled like wildfire like
trying to get the dollars. Sure.

878
00:59:10,080 --> 00:59:13,080
And then he'll come back around
with the music stuffing. I mean,

879
00:59:13,110 --> 00:59:15,360
just to give you the imagery I
just like the ice cream man.

880
00:59:15,360 --> 00:59:16,380
Just a different tune.

881
00:59:17,970 --> 00:59:21,330
And it's funny that you say ice
cream man because that is what

882
00:59:21,360 --> 00:59:24,030
Gucci is known for is the ice

883
00:59:25,110 --> 00:59:25,440
cream.

884
00:59:26,730 --> 00:59:29,700
But that was if I didn't have a
father like they said in the

885
00:59:29,700 --> 00:59:34,320
previous clip that strong
masculine energy being a boy.

886
00:59:34,680 --> 00:59:38,550
Yeah, yeah, draw me horse. You
get it from the gang? Sure. Cuz

887
00:59:38,580 --> 00:59:41,940
I'm a 40 year old man and that's
still etched into my memory.

888
00:59:41,940 --> 00:59:46,050
Like, how cool is that to be
able to ride around and throw

889
00:59:46,050 --> 00:59:51,030
cash out your window and to poor
kids. And I'm sure he was like

890
00:59:51,030 --> 00:59:53,730
I'm giving back and I'm looking
out and I'm sure he got some

891
00:59:53,730 --> 00:59:57,360
kind of ego boost out of it too.
To see kids scramble like that

892
00:59:57,360 --> 00:59:59,970
but it was like this is one of
my

893
01:00:00,030 --> 01:00:04,470
childhood memory. So, um, so
we're gonna move over now when

894
01:00:04,500 --> 01:00:07,050
we're in urban Atlanta, and
we're going to move over to

895
01:00:07,380 --> 01:00:10,560
Buckhead, this is Buckhead
church over in Buckhead, and

896
01:00:10,560 --> 01:00:17,370
this guy clay scroggins gave a
sermon on mind traps, and the

897
01:00:17,370 --> 01:00:22,290
victim mindset. How do you stop
these mindsets from becoming

898
01:00:22,290 --> 01:00:25,530
mind traps, no one likes feeling
trapped. Can you remember the

899
01:00:25,530 --> 01:00:29,160
last time you were trapped? The
problem is we have these

900
01:00:29,160 --> 01:00:32,250
thoughts and our thoughts,
fortunately, and unfortunately

901
01:00:32,250 --> 01:00:37,260
can create feelings, feelings,
both in the here and now. And

902
01:00:37,260 --> 01:00:40,050
it's not necessarily what
happens to you. But it's the

903
01:00:40,050 --> 01:00:43,650
messages that you give yourself
about what happens that

904
01:00:43,650 --> 01:00:47,610
determines your feelings. And
not only do our thoughts create

905
01:00:47,610 --> 01:00:51,000
all of our feelings, but the
thoughts that defeat us are

906
01:00:51,000 --> 01:00:56,190
almost always fraudulent, or
wrong or distorted or illogical.

907
01:00:56,850 --> 01:01:01,920
And sometimes they can form a
cycle, a mentality that becomes

908
01:01:02,280 --> 01:01:06,450
a trap. So how do you know how
do you know when a mindset has

909
01:01:06,450 --> 01:01:08,850
become a mind trap?

910
01:01:09,900 --> 01:01:13,080
There's a ancient Greek
philosopher named Epictetus who

911
01:01:13,080 --> 01:01:18,270
said this, that we are disturbed
not by things, but by the view

912
01:01:18,300 --> 01:01:22,170
in which we take them. We think
it's the circumstances that are

913
01:01:22,170 --> 01:01:25,200
depicted that are that are
disturbing us. But no, it's our

914
01:01:25,200 --> 01:01:29,130
view of them. That's actually
disturbing us. Yeah, that's

915
01:01:29,130 --> 01:01:33,600
pretty deep. It took me five
decades to kind of figure that

916
01:01:33,600 --> 01:01:33,990
out.

917
01:01:35,280 --> 01:01:41,460
So easy to live in a mind trap.
So if you say that was he's

918
01:01:41,460 --> 01:01:46,770
talking about inside? Yeah. Your
inner thoughts. Now say you are

919
01:01:46,770 --> 01:01:52,050
listening to music, and your
environment is a trap little

920
01:01:52,050 --> 01:01:52,500
trap.

921
01:01:55,050 --> 01:01:59,070
And you wonder why these kids
and young adults get caught up

922
01:01:59,070 --> 01:02:01,830
in this lifestyle? Because like,
there's nothing better and this

923
01:02:01,830 --> 01:02:05,400
is what politicians sell to
them. Oh, there's no hope out

924
01:02:05,400 --> 01:02:08,220
there. You know, Unless Unless
we help you there's no hope.

925
01:02:08,250 --> 01:02:08,640
Sure.

926
01:02:09,840 --> 01:02:14,520
So I would play that clip cuz I
was like, and he's from Buckhead

927
01:02:14,520 --> 01:02:17,550
Atlanta. I was like, cuz I was
looking at mine trap and that

928
01:02:17,550 --> 01:02:20,700
kind of thing. And it popped up
and I'm like, Man, I'm gonna say

929
01:02:20,700 --> 01:02:21,480
this to people.

930
01:02:22,620 --> 01:02:27,120
Through this process, would I
not? Do the the groundwork for

931
01:02:27,120 --> 01:02:29,940
the clips and everything? It's
amazing.

932
01:02:31,140 --> 01:02:33,630
I think it's called
synchronicity. Yes.

933
01:02:35,040 --> 01:02:39,720
Of what is the eyes of a
Reverend? And Buckhead, Atlanta

934
01:02:39,720 --> 01:02:43,650
and Buckhead and Bankhead that
knows have a connotation to it

935
01:02:43,650 --> 01:02:46,860
too, because Bankhead is the
hood. Yeah. But my cat is rich

936
01:02:46,860 --> 01:02:50,970
neighborhood. Right? And it was
a clip and just to give a just a

937
01:02:50,970 --> 01:02:54,810
mute music low a tidbit of
music. There was an outcast

938
01:02:54,810 --> 01:02:57,990
first CD. The guy was like,
Yeah, I got these off of the

939
01:02:57,990 --> 01:03:02,940
folks off in Buckhead. So I was
like, That's amazing, man. He's

940
01:03:02,940 --> 01:03:07,620
preaching over in the Ritz out
Atlanta, about my traps. Yeah,

941
01:03:07,680 --> 01:03:11,760
when you have the actual trap,
right across town in Bankhead

942
01:03:11,760 --> 01:03:15,420
and you know, and all the zones
in Atlanta, so but I just wanted

943
01:03:15,420 --> 01:03:18,180
I wanted to share that so I know
people like I thought he was

944
01:03:18,180 --> 01:03:22,590
going to talk about Jeezy and
Gucci. This is the by had to lay

945
01:03:22,620 --> 01:03:23,430
all that out.

946
01:03:24,630 --> 01:03:28,470
So you don't just look at them
as rappers entertainers

947
01:03:28,740 --> 01:03:32,550
trivialize them now, just
hopefully now people understand

948
01:03:32,550 --> 01:03:36,030
and humanize is what we like to
do here. We like to humanize

949
01:03:37,500 --> 01:03:40,380
people and not make them in just
a

950
01:03:41,670 --> 01:03:46,830
figureheads. So which which is
exactly what almost all media

951
01:03:46,830 --> 01:03:49,230
does, even if they're even if
you're trying to do an honest

952
01:03:49,230 --> 01:03:53,520
documentary just that turns it
into just the nature of a

953
01:03:53,520 --> 01:03:57,750
documentary turns it into a
dehumanizes people strangely

954
01:03:57,750 --> 01:04:03,840
enough All right. So now we get
to Jeezy and Gucci so this is

955
01:04:03,840 --> 01:04:08,010
going back to an okay and what
we refer to all the meat I

956
01:04:08,010 --> 01:04:09,390
apologize for all the

957
01:04:10,650 --> 01:04:14,880
Mute the music bed I know it's
probably killing a lot of people

958
01:04:15,240 --> 01:04:18,840
and I want to strip it out but
that just been too much work to

959
01:04:18,840 --> 01:04:19,530
try to do it.

960
01:04:20,610 --> 01:04:26,040
So this is going back to the
vice series noisy in Atlanta and

961
01:04:26,040 --> 01:04:29,490
this gives us the some some
background on Young Jeezy

962
01:04:30,840 --> 01:04:34,320
quality Sound Studios the home
of QC label this amigo says

963
01:04:34,320 --> 01:04:38,460
label and it's run by coach Kay,
who's there dancing in front of

964
01:04:38,460 --> 01:04:41,850
the console. He is the Migos
manager he kind of discovered

965
01:04:41,850 --> 01:04:44,400
them. He's also a Gucci man's
manager. And before that he was

966
01:04:44,400 --> 01:04:48,690
Young Jeezy's manager he is sort
of like the traphouse impresario

967
01:04:48,720 --> 01:04:50,220
like the Tony Wilson.

968
01:04:53,250 --> 01:04:57,330
I don't think trap music was
really born until we put out

969
01:04:57,480 --> 01:04:59,700
Jesus first mixtape

970
01:05:00,000 --> 01:05:04,530
Which was the street is watching
and then we put out traffic. And

971
01:05:04,530 --> 01:05:08,640
I think after that people got
Jesus running rapid man. He was

972
01:05:08,640 --> 01:05:11,700
like, awesome CEO shit. He
wanted to be masterpiece. He was

973
01:05:11,700 --> 01:05:15,300
a street nigga. It's like he was
respected in the streets. Yeah,

974
01:05:15,300 --> 01:05:18,750
think about this. If you put out
some white music in the street

975
01:05:18,750 --> 01:05:21,240
has no respect. They're gonna be
like, Oh, you want to wrap it?

976
01:05:22,050 --> 01:05:25,290
No, he was rude. You know, they
came in a game a millionaire.

977
01:05:25,380 --> 01:05:26,340
I'm not gonna test it.

978
01:05:27,390 --> 01:05:30,570
Well, God never officially
signed with BMF he ran with big

979
01:05:30,570 --> 01:05:34,080
Meech and his crew during their
heyday in the early 2000s. Pac

980
01:05:34,080 --> 01:05:38,790
Man by mafia fan base with a lot
of money to tell Jesus you got

981
01:05:38,790 --> 01:05:42,540
to start talking about this
shit. Music. Once he understood

982
01:05:42,540 --> 01:05:46,350
how to do that shit. It was
always it was the soundtrack to

983
01:05:46,350 --> 01:05:46,920
the streets.

984
01:05:50,280 --> 01:05:54,600
That Jeezy hit that Thug
Motivation one on one classic

985
01:05:54,630 --> 01:05:59,790
album, classic album. That was
what kind of brought me into

986
01:05:59,790 --> 01:06:05,430
respecting trap music. Because
what he did with that album

987
01:06:08,730 --> 01:06:12,810
when you want to say okay,
sonically and

988
01:06:14,640 --> 01:06:21,090
the level of just quality music,
he killed it. I mean, this thing

989
01:06:21,090 --> 01:06:21,750
was

990
01:06:22,950 --> 01:06:27,360
I think onto itself he had the
the snowman t shirts, which they

991
01:06:27,360 --> 01:06:31,380
ended up banning. Alright, I
remember that. Yeah, that band

992
01:06:31,470 --> 01:06:34,560
came in he had a mixtape follow
up saying can't ban this. No,

993
01:06:34,560 --> 01:06:39,330
man. It was so widespread.
Cooper. Do you familiar

994
01:06:40,530 --> 01:06:44,730
with the album? Yeah, it was
mostly shorty read. Um, but

995
01:06:44,730 --> 01:06:47,010
there was a host of other
different producers on there.

996
01:06:47,010 --> 01:06:51,330
Well, but the biggest
contributor to the atom album

997
01:06:51,330 --> 01:06:55,890
was a shorty shorty read, which
that's why I said he had a whole

998
01:06:55,890 --> 01:06:59,880
different brand of trap. And
this predates the Gucci man

999
01:07:00,090 --> 01:07:03,780
current trap that we have this
really very simplistic. This was

1000
01:07:03,780 --> 01:07:08,670
like a very lush sound bed of
Samson. They had the Lowe's and

1001
01:07:08,670 --> 01:07:12,060
it was just a very high quality
product, just from the musical

1002
01:07:12,060 --> 01:07:16,320
standpoint of it. And that's
what gave trap his credibility

1003
01:07:17,400 --> 01:07:23,280
as a legitimate genre. Inside
sub genre, it's not a hip hop.

1004
01:07:24,210 --> 01:07:29,520
So So much so that it influence
Kendrick Lamar and on Kindle and

1005
01:07:29,520 --> 01:07:35,340
Mars good see a good kid mass
city. It basically it's a I want

1006
01:07:35,340 --> 01:07:38,850
to say like a maybe like a
documentary album. What he does

1007
01:07:38,850 --> 01:07:40,080
is he highlights

1008
01:07:41,490 --> 01:07:45,120
what they call ride and so when
you're a kid and you're poor,

1009
01:07:45,660 --> 01:07:46,980
you don't have a lot of money.

1010
01:07:48,300 --> 01:07:55,590
You fill up the car, and you
have your favorite CD or two and

1011
01:07:55,620 --> 01:07:57,810
black and mouths maybe some weed

1012
01:07:59,430 --> 01:08:04,890
and you ride and freestyle and
and what I did was I was able to

1013
01:08:04,890 --> 01:08:09,450
collect all the skits or some of
the skits from that album, and

1014
01:08:09,480 --> 01:08:13,350
we're just gonna listen to him
and his friends interact around

1015
01:08:13,350 --> 01:08:16,620
that the motivation one on one
album

1016
01:08:20,430 --> 01:08:23,070
pack a bag in a big city get a
free sales rep.

1017
01:08:27,480 --> 01:08:28,050
I think he is

1018
01:08:36,060 --> 01:08:36,690
pretty good.

1019
01:08:41,310 --> 01:08:42,480
I think we should push back to

1020
01:08:44,220 --> 01:08:44,640
what

1021
01:08:51,900 --> 01:08:52,950
I'm trying to be the negative

1022
01:08:57,210 --> 01:09:01,740
to kick back as Alibaba way to
roll out the commission

1023
01:09:04,620 --> 01:09:05,070
report

1024
01:09:09,210 --> 01:09:10,740
back at the Black Panther

1025
01:09:12,030 --> 01:09:12,390
meetup

1026
01:09:15,780 --> 01:09:16,500
back down

1027
01:09:21,870 --> 01:09:24,750
I can give me a little context
of what I would have been seen.

1028
01:09:25,710 --> 01:09:29,760
So I mean, this is audio cuz
it's on an album. So what you

1029
01:09:29,760 --> 01:09:31,380
have is a group of friends

1030
01:09:32,580 --> 01:09:36,120
and album he explains it more.
So you have a group of friends

1031
01:09:36,120 --> 01:09:38,640
and this is just an everyday
conversation,

1032
01:09:39,660 --> 01:09:44,400
conversation and actions. Like I
said you get your opinion in the

1033
01:09:44,400 --> 01:09:46,530
reason why I relate to this
because this is what it was you

1034
01:09:46,530 --> 01:09:49,290
got some blackened miles you
freak them that's where you take

1035
01:09:49,290 --> 01:09:51,720
all the tobacco out and then you
take the inner lining out and

1036
01:09:51,720 --> 01:09:56,190
then you put put the tobacco
back is commonly known as blunt.

1037
01:09:57,150 --> 01:09:59,460
No, but it's not a blunt because
you put the tobacco back and

1038
01:09:59,460 --> 01:10:00,000
this is before

1039
01:10:00,000 --> 01:10:01,080
You might you put it this way

1040
01:10:02,669 --> 01:10:06,569
you put it, you take it out, you
put it back in, you take it out

1041
01:10:06,629 --> 01:10:10,619
the tobacco and it has this
thick inner lining paper inside

1042
01:10:10,619 --> 01:10:13,709
of it, you take that out, and
then you put the tobacco back

1043
01:10:13,709 --> 01:10:18,269
in. pools. Daughter. Yeah. And
it gives you a head rush.

1044
01:10:19,470 --> 01:10:23,010
And you will smoke like two
packs of these I mean, you can

1045
01:10:23,010 --> 01:10:27,000
afford we like that. But this is
this is the route so you riding

1046
01:10:27,000 --> 01:10:32,100
around and you have beat CDs
and, and you freestyle and we

1047
01:10:32,160 --> 01:10:34,890
tada freestyle and you will
listen to your alma choice. And

1048
01:10:34,890 --> 01:10:39,180
at that time, like I said, I was
maybe 2526 when Jesus came out

1049
01:10:39,180 --> 01:10:42,210
so I was past my rotten days.
But I could relate to this. And

1050
01:10:42,210 --> 01:10:45,120
the reason why I played this
clip was deep all the way in

1051
01:10:45,120 --> 01:10:52,080
Compton, California, and Jeezy
in Atlanta, had an influence on

1052
01:10:52,080 --> 01:10:59,490
him and his career by this
album, so much so that he, um,

1053
01:11:00,360 --> 01:11:04,950
let it be known and this skips
to this classic album, good kid

1054
01:11:04,950 --> 01:11:08,910
Man City. So I'm just gonna I'm
showing you how I got it. I got

1055
01:11:08,910 --> 01:11:12,660
lost but right. Like I said,
last time I checked, I was the

1056
01:11:12,660 --> 01:11:15,630
man on the streets that was like
a quotable. So when you get a

1057
01:11:15,630 --> 01:11:18,210
hip hop, quotable. That's like
scripture.

1058
01:11:19,470 --> 01:11:22,890
Yeah, I mean, that that there's
no other way to put that slide.

1059
01:11:22,920 --> 01:11:27,540
You've you've provided scripture
to the hip hop. Culture. Yeah,

1060
01:11:27,540 --> 01:11:30,690
you're saying that wasn't one of
the many. That was one of the

1061
01:11:30,690 --> 01:11:34,770
many quotables from that album.
And his ad libs. I mean was

1062
01:11:34,770 --> 01:11:39,900
crazy. Like Yeah, you're saying
so anyway, so I'm getting caught

1063
01:11:39,900 --> 01:11:41,220
up so anyway.

1064
01:11:42,630 --> 01:11:46,470
Yeah, cuz i mean it's it's
nostalgic for me um, but

1065
01:11:47,730 --> 01:11:50,100
we're gonna get to the
background of Jeezy and

1066
01:11:51,180 --> 01:11:55,980
Gucci man s'mores that was Jesus
comment somewhat back I'm a bio

1067
01:11:56,010 --> 01:11:59,220
so we're getting to a Gucci
man's now. When did Gucci man

1068
01:11:59,220 --> 01:12:02,220
start coming around to see at
the same time he's at the same

1069
01:12:02,220 --> 01:12:06,540
time I want to just record again
he walks up on say you Coach K.

1070
01:12:06,990 --> 01:12:08,550
I'm like he said I'm Gucci man.

1071
01:12:09,570 --> 01:12:12,390
I'm the guy you've been looking
for. With Jeezy at the top of

1072
01:12:12,390 --> 01:12:15,870
his game Gucci man the up and
coming era parents. Coach K

1073
01:12:15,870 --> 01:12:18,600
decided to put the two together
in the studio to work on a song

1074
01:12:19,410 --> 01:12:23,310
a song we all know as though I
see a studio that man I swear to

1075
01:12:23,310 --> 01:12:25,140
god he sung that hook so I see

1076
01:12:26,760 --> 01:12:30,870
a hook all day. I told you man
like let's try this shit. You

1077
01:12:30,870 --> 01:12:33,330
know I'm saying this shit might
be crazy. This hook is melodic

1078
01:12:33,360 --> 01:12:35,640
you know. So then zaytoven comes
in

1079
01:12:39,450 --> 01:12:42,300
Beethoven is one of the first of
Atlanta's super producers and

1080
01:12:42,300 --> 01:12:46,020
the principal architect of the
trap music sound when I first

1081
01:12:46,020 --> 01:12:49,200
came here when I got my first
hit the so icy with Gucci man

1082
01:12:49,200 --> 01:12:53,250
and Young Jeezy. It was very Bay
influenced because I was just

1083
01:12:53,250 --> 01:12:56,250
moving from you know, the Bay
Area. So if you listen to the

1084
01:12:56,250 --> 01:12:58,650
music if you like that don't
sound like no producer that came

1085
01:12:58,650 --> 01:13:01,260
out of Atlanta. You know, I
mean, cuz I was fresh out of the

1086
01:13:01,260 --> 01:13:04,440
Bay Area. I was cutting here at
the barbershop Gucci man called

1087
01:13:04,440 --> 01:13:07,560
me like a man as a Young Jeezy.
Wanna do a song with us? I

1088
01:13:07,560 --> 01:13:11,130
haven't made a beat. So I ran
home made him at my mom's house

1089
01:13:11,160 --> 01:13:14,250
made the beat in like five
minutes. And then we went down

1090
01:13:14,250 --> 01:13:17,070
to the studio to meet Young
Jeezy. You know, I'm from the

1091
01:13:17,070 --> 01:13:20,310
Bay steel so I don't even know
if a woman like my beat. So when

1092
01:13:20,310 --> 01:13:23,130
we play the beat, they didn't
even wasn't even feeling it for

1093
01:13:23,130 --> 01:13:28,230
you until after the doula wheels
on the hook. You know, the audio

1094
01:13:28,230 --> 01:13:32,010
good is that was used to her dad
and to be going together. Then

1095
01:13:32,010 --> 01:13:34,680
you start looking around a
studio. Everybody in the studio

1096
01:13:34,710 --> 01:13:36,900
got a pen and paper trying to
write and get on the

1097
01:13:39,840 --> 01:13:46,800
mat. So this is where Jeezy and
Gucci mans up paths cross with

1098
01:13:46,800 --> 01:13:52,230
this classic song so icy, which
they had never performed live

1099
01:13:52,950 --> 01:13:59,550
into the verses. That's why this
was such a big deal. And you're

1100
01:13:59,550 --> 01:14:03,510
probably wondering, why did they
never perform this online? Yes,

1101
01:14:03,510 --> 01:14:08,040
Mo. Why did they never perform
this song? Well, so I have this

1102
01:14:08,040 --> 01:14:12,690
next set of five clips. And this
was done by this suburban kid I

1103
01:14:12,690 --> 01:14:16,470
forget the name of his channel.
I'm sorry about that. But reason

1104
01:14:16,470 --> 01:14:22,950
why I chose him to tell the
story is because this shows how

1105
01:14:23,580 --> 01:14:28,140
street happenings make it into
white suburban America. So I

1106
01:14:28,140 --> 01:14:29,520
wanted that perspective.

1107
01:14:30,810 --> 01:14:36,660
To explain what the real story
behind Gucci man and Jeezy. It's

1108
01:14:36,660 --> 01:14:40,410
1998 and Roderick Davis, better
known by his rap name Gucci Mane

1109
01:14:40,410 --> 01:14:43,980
is 18 years old and he's about
to graduate high school. He was

1110
01:14:43,980 --> 01:14:46,350
selling weed and cocaine to make
money and decided to go to

1111
01:14:46,350 --> 01:14:49,440
college because he qualified for
a scholarship. He continue to

1112
01:14:49,440 --> 01:14:51,960
make money and sometimes would
record songs to mess around in

1113
01:14:51,960 --> 01:14:55,410
the studio mostly as a hobby.
After going to college for about

1114
01:14:55,410 --> 01:14:57,810
a year doing computer
programming. He would get caught

1115
01:14:57,810 --> 01:14:59,970
selling cocaine to an undercover
police officer

1116
01:15:00,599 --> 01:15:04,409
He was given 90 days and
probation. He lost a lot of his

1117
01:15:04,409 --> 01:15:07,229
money and was kicked out of
school losing his scholarship.

1118
01:15:07,499 --> 01:15:09,929
He had some time to think about
if this is what he wanted to do

1119
01:15:09,959 --> 01:15:13,439
or something else. Upon
finishing his son's college, he

1120
01:15:13,439 --> 01:15:16,109
decided he should just release a
mixtape since he was already

1121
01:15:16,109 --> 01:15:19,589
getting good at it, and he's
been rapping since he was 14. To

1122
01:15:19,589 --> 01:15:22,349
use the little money he had left
to finish the tape titled Gucci

1123
01:15:22,349 --> 01:15:26,009
Mane the flair presented by
straight drop records. He

1124
01:15:26,009 --> 01:15:28,919
slapped them on 1000 CDs and
passed them all over Atlanta.

1125
01:15:29,069 --> 01:15:31,079
This will work out extremely
well for Gucci because he

1126
01:15:31,079 --> 01:15:34,319
started gaining buzz pretty
fast. He saw an opportunity and

1127
01:15:34,319 --> 01:15:37,019
decided he wanted to start his
own label where he would recruit

1128
01:15:37,019 --> 01:15:40,469
other artists as well. Around
2001 he met a barber named

1129
01:15:40,499 --> 01:15:43,349
Xavier because one of Gucci's
homies attended the same barber

1130
01:15:43,349 --> 01:15:46,109
class is Xavier made beats and
was trying to make a name for

1131
01:15:46,109 --> 01:15:48,599
himself as well under the names
they Tobin

1132
01:15:50,130 --> 01:15:51,630
So a couple things one

1133
01:15:53,160 --> 01:15:57,360
zaytoven By the way, so
recognizable when you hear that

1134
01:15:57,360 --> 01:16:02,040
it's like oh shit and zaytoven
to what what is the the

1135
01:16:02,040 --> 01:16:05,670
distribution method? So you got
the mixtapes and I remember this

1136
01:16:05,670 --> 01:16:07,890
being a big deal, man, this
guy's me everyone's got this

1137
01:16:07,890 --> 01:16:08,370
mixtape.

1138
01:16:10,410 --> 01:16:13,530
What, what is the commercial
distribution method? At what

1139
01:16:13,530 --> 01:16:16,800
point? Do you start making money
with your music? Is that only

1140
01:16:16,800 --> 01:16:17,430
when you get

1141
01:16:19,230 --> 01:16:23,670
a distribution deal from from a
label? Or does everyone try to

1142
01:16:23,670 --> 01:16:26,370
go and start a label themselves?
Or I mean, it's just

1143
01:16:27,450 --> 01:16:30,810
I would rephrase the question.
How is it consumed? Is this

1144
01:16:30,810 --> 01:16:32,340
music mainly consumed?

1145
01:16:33,570 --> 01:16:34,650
in the neighborhoods?

1146
01:16:36,480 --> 01:16:40,530
On handouts, CDs, mixtapes, etc?
Or is everyone running Spotify?

1147
01:16:40,590 --> 01:16:43,050
You know, or is that or is that
when it goes mainstream? And

1148
01:16:43,050 --> 01:16:44,970
that's when the rest of the
world and that's where the real

1149
01:16:44,970 --> 01:16:47,220
money comes in? Do you
understand what I'm asking? So

1150
01:16:47,220 --> 01:16:50,370
yes, so this is pre YouTube
whenever you

1151
01:16:51,450 --> 01:16:55,290
want to understand smartphone
boom, really changed things. And

1152
01:16:55,290 --> 01:16:58,530
this is pre smartphone. So
people weren't getting online

1153
01:16:58,530 --> 01:17:03,960
and listening to YouTube or
SoundCloud existed at that time,

1154
01:17:04,170 --> 01:17:07,980
the main method of distribution
was the trunk of your car,

1155
01:17:08,010 --> 01:17:10,890
right. And that was the turn of
the trunk he was saying stepping

1156
01:17:10,920 --> 01:17:14,580
out the trunk, which was popular
last by none other than the

1157
01:17:14,580 --> 01:17:17,310
great masterpiece which we got
to put some respect On

1158
01:17:17,310 --> 01:17:21,600
masterpiece name. Because he
show all these young guys, you

1159
01:17:21,600 --> 01:17:25,560
don't need a record label. Go
straight to the customer and

1160
01:17:25,560 --> 01:17:29,580
wanted wanna come in give you
hip hop quotable here. He says

1161
01:17:29,820 --> 01:17:34,650
15% can't even pay my mF and
rent. That's what masterpiece

1162
01:17:34,680 --> 01:17:37,890
told him. Like the little money
that the record labels are

1163
01:17:37,890 --> 01:17:41,790
trying to give you all this bull
crap. This is. So two things

1164
01:17:41,790 --> 01:17:47,220
one, beautiful, because that's
exactly what we know.

1165
01:17:48,420 --> 01:17:51,990
With our value for value model.
And the other part is, it's a

1166
01:17:51,990 --> 01:17:55,860
total call back ironically, to
how the record business started.

1167
01:17:56,100 --> 01:18:00,750
In the 50s. Commercial top 40
radio, it started with people

1168
01:18:00,840 --> 01:18:04,680
selling records out of the trunk
of their car at gigs anywhere

1169
01:18:04,680 --> 01:18:08,730
they could do it. It's it's an
interesting throwback. But it

1170
01:18:08,730 --> 01:18:11,040
was not lost in the south
because you had the chitlin

1171
01:18:11,040 --> 01:18:16,320
circuit. Yes, they have a
network of clubs. And of course

1172
01:18:16,320 --> 01:18:20,190
the clubs changed but the
influence was don't. And if you

1173
01:18:20,190 --> 01:18:23,160
were able to get a buzz, then
you can start doing shows at

1174
01:18:23,160 --> 01:18:29,460
these clubs. And this shows the
entrepreneurial spirit of these

1175
01:18:29,460 --> 01:18:33,720
talented individuals. See
everybody wants to paint them

1176
01:18:33,750 --> 01:18:38,970
out to be at service dogs or
whatever else is like no is

1177
01:18:39,510 --> 01:18:42,960
Jeezy was. I mean, I legit
millionaire

1178
01:18:43,980 --> 01:18:47,940
before he even got into rap.
coochie man was a scholarship

1179
01:18:47,940 --> 01:18:50,370
student and a coder. Yeah.

1180
01:18:54,420 --> 01:19:00,210
Yeah. So this, if it had other
routes, there will be

1181
01:19:02,940 --> 01:19:06,720
stars and that is just like this
is the only thing you had in

1182
01:19:06,720 --> 01:19:11,850
this. You know, this is when the
CD a CD ROM came out the

1183
01:19:11,850 --> 01:19:15,120
rewritable CD ROM first came out
so that changed everything

1184
01:19:15,120 --> 01:19:17,880
because it's like now you don't
need to buy it actually prints

1185
01:19:17,880 --> 01:19:22,470
tapes or prints albums. You
know, you could buy a thing was

1186
01:19:22,470 --> 01:19:26,160
like the one that used to print
like 10 CDs at a time. Like for

1187
01:19:26,160 --> 01:19:30,810
like $500 if you had one of
those, and then you go by a

1188
01:19:30,810 --> 01:19:34,620
computer and able to record your
music and a clause I'm speaking

1189
01:19:34,620 --> 01:19:38,220
from man, I'm telling you hotel
personal experience. hotep Jesus

1190
01:19:38,220 --> 01:19:41,280
has the right idea by getting
Bitcoin into this community.

1191
01:19:41,550 --> 01:19:44,400
He's got the right idea. Yeah.

1192
01:19:45,450 --> 01:19:50,070
Yeah, that's exactly what it is,
is whenever you give us

1193
01:19:50,070 --> 01:19:52,860
something and I just one little
small tangent,

1194
01:19:53,940 --> 01:19:55,140
whenever you give

1195
01:19:56,850 --> 01:19:58,830
black people quote unquote with
pips

1196
01:20:00,000 --> 01:20:03,870
Anything we turn it into
something else you got to think

1197
01:20:03,870 --> 01:20:08,250
about it spinning yarn. My
brother the beat machine was not

1198
01:20:08,250 --> 01:20:11,340
made for what it was used for
the turntables was not made what

1199
01:20:11,340 --> 01:20:15,000
it was used for. The sampler was
not made what it was used for.

1200
01:20:15,420 --> 01:20:18,180
is like we take these tools and
like you know what we can flip

1201
01:20:18,180 --> 01:20:22,260
it bounce it and create
something totally different even

1202
01:20:22,260 --> 01:20:26,610
the vocoder same auto tune as we
call it now. Yes. Yeah. The auto

1203
01:20:26,610 --> 01:20:30,540
tune Yeah. Oh, the NOAA itself
was a different piece of

1204
01:20:30,540 --> 01:20:33,480
equipment. And they showed up in
you know, series

1205
01:20:35,040 --> 01:20:37,740
around it past 20 years old or
something. Next thing came up,

1206
01:20:37,740 --> 01:20:41,550
right? Yeah. But they showed up
in posh shops and we're easily

1207
01:20:41,550 --> 01:20:44,970
affordable but that's why I
became the weapon of choice for

1208
01:20:45,030 --> 01:20:49,680
a bedroom producers. Yep, cuz
it's something that the original

1209
01:20:49,680 --> 01:20:54,000
what it was originally meant
for. It was but it was a this is

1210
01:20:54,000 --> 01:20:57,930
cheap like this. What you see in
a great example was um, hustle

1211
01:20:57,930 --> 01:21:03,570
and flow. That's, that's a
perfect example of how hip hop

1212
01:21:03,570 --> 01:21:08,460
careers was start is a couple
pieces of equipment microphone.

1213
01:21:08,970 --> 01:21:14,190
Boom. You often you often one,
but we continue on with the

1214
01:21:14,190 --> 01:21:18,210
story of the real, real Gucci
man and Young Jeezy Part Two

1215
01:21:18,330 --> 01:21:22,410
around the same time in 2001 Jay
Jenkins, who was known as low j

1216
01:21:22,650 --> 01:21:25,200
has just stepped into the GA
scene and was gaining buzz as

1217
01:21:25,200 --> 01:21:27,960
well. Much like Gucci Mane he
spent the last few years trying

1218
01:21:27,960 --> 01:21:30,810
to build a label. Though Jay was
in deep in the streets selling

1219
01:21:30,810 --> 01:21:33,660
weed and cocaine. He was said to
have over a million cash before

1220
01:21:33,660 --> 01:21:36,600
ever considering music. He had a
ton of money and was always

1221
01:21:36,600 --> 01:21:39,540
interested in music, but
initially never wanted to rap.

1222
01:21:39,630 --> 01:21:42,780
After a few run ins with the law
and having a new baby. He wanted

1223
01:21:42,780 --> 01:21:45,720
to focus more on his label and
began building a studio where he

1224
01:21:45,720 --> 01:21:48,900
could manage artists under he
would sign his first few artists

1225
01:21:48,930 --> 01:21:51,750
and start the label Young Guns
entertainment. This was going

1226
01:21:51,750 --> 01:21:54,480
good for a while but eventually
their main artists would catch a

1227
01:21:54,480 --> 01:21:57,480
murder case and get locked up
leaving no real talent to lead

1228
01:21:57,480 --> 01:22:00,570
the way. He had dropped a ton of
money in his studio and into his

1229
01:22:00,570 --> 01:22:03,570
artists so he wasn't going to
let it go to waste. He changed

1230
01:22:03,570 --> 01:22:06,600
his label name to CT and he
decided to start rapping as the

1231
01:22:06,600 --> 01:22:09,420
main artist. He dropped his
first tape thuggin under the

1232
01:22:09,420 --> 01:22:12,420
influence in 2001, which
featured little john is a

1233
01:22:12,420 --> 01:22:16,020
producer and an immediately got
a small fan base. Since little

1234
01:22:16,020 --> 01:22:18,900
Jay had drug money to fund his
tapes and new people and music.

1235
01:22:18,930 --> 01:22:21,240
He would get all his music
played at every strip club in

1236
01:22:21,240 --> 01:22:24,120
Atlanta, which back then was a
massive way to get your music

1237
01:22:24,120 --> 01:22:26,760
heard. He went around Atlanta
getting his music played over

1238
01:22:26,760 --> 01:22:29,310
the next couple months. He
decided to change his name to

1239
01:22:29,310 --> 01:22:32,100
Young Jeezy and continue to drop
back to back mixtapes like

1240
01:22:32,100 --> 01:22:35,520
Trapper die with DJ drama until
solidifying himself in the

1241
01:22:35,550 --> 01:22:39,480
Atlanta rap scene. He did this
until 2004, when Def Jam signed

1242
01:22:39,480 --> 01:22:42,240
him for a massive amount of
money. With gucci mane and Jeezy

1243
01:22:42,240 --> 01:22:45,060
leading the way in Atlanta wrap,
it was only inevitable that a

1244
01:22:45,060 --> 01:22:46,170
collab would come soon.

1245
01:22:47,580 --> 01:22:50,940
Nice, good stories like this, I
want to I want to take this, I

1246
01:22:50,940 --> 01:22:53,280
want to take this time to point
out this is the reason why

1247
01:22:53,310 --> 01:22:56,610
atonement is needed. I know
people say Oh, here he goes.

1248
01:22:58,830 --> 01:23:04,890
These young men has to resort to
a legal activity to get the

1249
01:23:04,890 --> 01:23:08,010
starter money up for what they
really want it to do.

1250
01:23:09,360 --> 01:23:13,590
It's a bunch of young men out
here that have great ideas, but

1251
01:23:13,590 --> 01:23:16,440
don't have the capital to get it
off the ground.

1252
01:23:17,700 --> 01:23:21,540
Well, allow me to say something
about that. Yes, you're right.

1253
01:23:22,230 --> 01:23:26,940
On the other hand, having come
from, well, I, I'm certainly

1254
01:23:26,940 --> 01:23:31,620
middle class, upper middle
class. But having left home and

1255
01:23:31,620 --> 01:23:34,710
school etc. to

1256
01:23:35,820 --> 01:23:41,190
build that starting capital
yourself. Now, obviously, drugs,

1257
01:23:41,220 --> 01:23:44,760
maybe not the best way it's a
faster way the the payoff can be

1258
01:23:44,760 --> 01:23:49,800
much higher the risk, you know,
the risk reward situation. But

1259
01:23:50,790 --> 01:23:53,640
so that I'm responding to this
because you say atonement.

1260
01:23:54,930 --> 01:23:58,740
It's a very different thing for
an entrepreneur to start and

1261
01:23:59,160 --> 01:24:02,460
scrape those first few dollars
together and build and build and

1262
01:24:02,460 --> 01:24:05,850
build and build and it it's more
than just the capital that you

1263
01:24:05,850 --> 01:24:09,300
build the you can do what you
really want to do with it. It's

1264
01:24:09,300 --> 01:24:13,230
the process and the appreciation
for hard work making smart

1265
01:24:13,230 --> 01:24:15,570
decisions, whether the
activities legal or illegal

1266
01:24:15,570 --> 01:24:20,010
doesn't matter. Right. So I
would say just so we're clear

1267
01:24:20,040 --> 01:24:25,080
from my standpoint, yeah. This
is a crap way that there's no

1268
01:24:25,080 --> 01:24:30,180
other or that apparently no are
no other avenues to do that.

1269
01:24:30,210 --> 01:24:33,810
Yes, that's the key word right
horse parently. So I'm not

1270
01:24:33,810 --> 01:24:36,390
currently I'm not saying that
this should be handouts is what

1271
01:24:36,390 --> 01:24:38,460
I'm saying. It's like just
because someone has a great

1272
01:24:38,460 --> 01:24:41,730
idea. A toman doesn't mean
handout. I think we're no we

1273
01:24:41,730 --> 01:24:44,910
agree on that. Right? What I'm
saying is if they had the

1274
01:24:44,910 --> 01:24:48,120
capital to start a business,
then they wouldn't have to

1275
01:24:48,120 --> 01:24:51,390
start. Go here. Now. Well, I
want to make you a great point.

1276
01:24:51,390 --> 01:24:55,200
That's why I run the bill.
Apparently. So we're talking

1277
01:24:55,200 --> 01:24:58,890
about people that are stuck in
this mind trap. of this is the

1278
01:24:58,920 --> 01:24:59,970
only way to do it.

1279
01:25:00,510 --> 01:25:03,360
This is what you've been told
this is the only way to dare you

1280
01:25:03,360 --> 01:25:06,150
go. And this is this is what
they say about getting it from

1281
01:25:06,150 --> 01:25:10,650
the mud. You know, you have to
get in there and get it from the

1282
01:25:10,650 --> 01:25:14,340
ground up. And we you tell
people were the only way you

1283
01:25:14,340 --> 01:25:18,210
could, um, another quarter, we
had to get a call to

1284
01:25:19,230 --> 01:25:23,610
be honest, this show is for me
today. I'm loving it. I'm loving

1285
01:25:23,610 --> 01:25:26,310
it birthday show, this is a
birthday. This is a birthday

1286
01:25:26,310 --> 01:25:29,640
shout to myself because this is
a hip hop show. Not that the hip

1287
01:25:29,640 --> 01:25:35,310
hop show. But this the shares a
lot of a lot of what makes me so

1288
01:25:35,430 --> 01:25:38,610
because I went through that not
the drug selling part because I

1289
01:25:38,610 --> 01:25:40,980
understood the bigger
implication that it was a trap.

1290
01:25:41,160 --> 01:25:44,880
And it's like, those odds are
not in my favor. No to you know,

1291
01:25:44,880 --> 01:25:48,870
make out flawlessly. And that's
why these guys are celebrated.

1292
01:25:49,290 --> 01:25:54,480
Because we you beat the system,
no matter what the system is.

1293
01:25:55,050 --> 01:25:58,530
These kids look at you like of
course. Of course. Of course

1294
01:25:58,530 --> 01:26:02,010
you're here. Oh, sure. All
right, right. So and the reason

1295
01:26:02,010 --> 01:26:06,630
why I'm saying about capital is
Mikey said you to get the

1296
01:26:06,660 --> 01:26:10,710
producers to pay beats and
studio time, it wasn't like it

1297
01:26:10,710 --> 01:26:14,070
wasn't is now where you had to
actually I mean, you couldn't,

1298
01:26:14,370 --> 01:26:18,240
the equipment and quality of
recording at home is nowhere

1299
01:26:18,240 --> 01:26:21,900
near what it is now that the
quality of music that you can

1300
01:26:21,900 --> 01:26:26,520
get out. So and with paella,
which you're familiar with, I

1301
01:26:26,520 --> 01:26:31,440
was interested. So because I've
read about it, not that I've

1302
01:26:31,440 --> 01:26:33,390
received it. No, no, no, no.

1303
01:26:34,590 --> 01:26:37,710
No, what I'm saying that is a
root. Of course, it's a real

1304
01:26:37,710 --> 01:26:42,300
thing. But it it just to be
clear, the payola stuff is

1305
01:26:42,300 --> 01:26:47,010
rarely as RIT was rarely ever
cash maybe back in the 50s it's

1306
01:26:47,010 --> 01:26:50,280
always perks it's

1307
01:26:51,480 --> 01:26:54,150
if you're if the station is
corrupt, and the station will

1308
01:26:54,150 --> 01:26:58,680
get advertising buys or so
called independent promoter will

1309
01:26:58,680 --> 01:27:03,330
put on an entire show for the
station in the stations name and

1310
01:27:03,330 --> 01:27:08,100
will actually pay the artists
and will only take a small cut

1311
01:27:08,100 --> 01:27:12,180
to the station actually makes
money with zero investment. Now,

1312
01:27:12,210 --> 01:27:17,760
these are all parts of the
payola scheme no pay cash. And

1313
01:27:17,760 --> 01:27:22,350
in this industry over here, it
was straight up cash. I'm not

1314
01:27:22,350 --> 01:27:25,080
speaking on something I've heard
this is something I know

1315
01:27:25,350 --> 01:27:30,570
especially for those DJs that
play like the late night window

1316
01:27:31,140 --> 01:27:34,650
where they had a little bit more
freedom what they could play. It

1317
01:27:34,650 --> 01:27:37,470
was me I'm talking about the
urban radio station is cuz I

1318
01:27:37,500 --> 01:27:41,700
like from like 12 to like five
in the morning. No, I mean, do

1319
01:27:41,700 --> 01:27:46,710
you play what you really want to
play? So w BLS Frankie Crocker

1320
01:27:47,190 --> 01:27:52,350
price you can shake a hand and
slot a couple of $100 in like

1321
01:27:52,350 --> 01:27:56,010
get your stuff on the radio and
then the other pay all the way

1322
01:27:56,010 --> 01:27:58,380
outside when I say pale I'm not
just speaking about radio

1323
01:27:58,380 --> 01:28:00,960
stations. They alluded to strip
clubs, right?

1324
01:28:02,430 --> 01:28:10,020
You can slide the DJ you know a
couple 100 567 $1,000 and he

1325
01:28:10,020 --> 01:28:13,140
will he will play your music and
then club and if the strippers

1326
01:28:13,140 --> 01:28:17,520
dance to it and this is why the
relationship between the strip

1327
01:28:17,520 --> 01:28:21,360
club and trap music is so strong
and this is why you're seeing

1328
01:28:21,360 --> 01:28:23,910
strippers be legitimate

1329
01:28:25,080 --> 01:28:25,800
legitimate

1330
01:28:27,120 --> 01:28:30,180
under Trap Music air under the
under the trap music era because

1331
01:28:30,180 --> 01:28:33,960
they go hand in hand yeah got
it. That's your your test market

1332
01:28:33,960 --> 01:28:38,460
as well as your your Launchpad
not even test market. Yeah, it

1333
01:28:38,460 --> 01:28:41,010
was more of the launch pad
because it's I mean, if the

1334
01:28:41,010 --> 01:28:45,150
girls didn't dance to it, then
you knew your track suck. What

1335
01:28:45,150 --> 01:28:49,050
That's true, but then if you end
up making what they call a

1336
01:28:49,050 --> 01:28:52,800
movie, and that's the track this
plan at all. Let me go find out

1337
01:28:52,800 --> 01:28:56,760
who that was. And I'll go you
know, in Are you in the parking

1338
01:28:56,760 --> 01:28:59,790
lot, but that was my song. You
know, you sell not to Trump. So

1339
01:28:59,790 --> 01:29:03,780
I'm just I just want to point
that out that this is the hurdle

1340
01:29:03,900 --> 01:29:08,010
and I want to make it clear one
time we're talking about in the

1341
01:29:08,010 --> 01:29:15,420
mind trap. Oh, this is my only
way out. Yeah. That is the that

1342
01:29:15,420 --> 01:29:19,440
is the real crime here. Yeah, of
tricking young people into

1343
01:29:19,440 --> 01:29:22,590
believing that there's only one
there's only two ways sports are

1344
01:29:22,590 --> 01:29:27,660
this. Well, that's another
quotable Notorious BIG ad you

1345
01:29:27,660 --> 01:29:32,100
got us a slang rot or you got a
wicked jump shot. Yeah.

1346
01:29:33,210 --> 01:29:39,180
I mean, that's that's pretty
much the mentality that is like

1347
01:29:39,180 --> 01:29:43,950
sewn in and in you know, the,
quote, quote, unquote, urban

1348
01:29:43,950 --> 01:29:48,840
community, so we can move on.
And now we I think we stopped at

1349
01:29:48,990 --> 01:29:52,710
three I believe. With gucci mane
and Jeezy leading the way and

1350
01:29:52,710 --> 01:29:55,230
Atlanta rap. It was only
inevitable that a collab would

1351
01:29:55,230 --> 01:29:58,920
come soon. In 2005, Gucci Mane
and Jeezy would record two songs

1352
01:29:58,920 --> 01:30:00,000
together the first time

1353
01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:03,210
was black teas, which was a
response to disenfranchise boys

1354
01:30:03,210 --> 01:30:08,490
hit song YT and the second song
was so icy or just icy, so I see

1355
01:30:08,490 --> 01:30:11,160
what go crazy in the streets
almost immediately, and would

1356
01:30:11,160 --> 01:30:14,460
then be featured as the main
single on traphouse one. The

1357
01:30:14,460 --> 01:30:16,950
song was such a massive hit that
even high schools across the

1358
01:30:16,950 --> 01:30:20,070
country banned the iconic
snowman t that Jeezy wore in the

1359
01:30:20,070 --> 01:30:23,160
video. As time went on. rumors
surfaced that Jeezy may have

1360
01:30:23,160 --> 01:30:26,250
been upset with how things went.
Although it's still not 100%

1361
01:30:26,250 --> 01:30:29,010
clear why Jeezy was upset, we
can assume it has something to

1362
01:30:29,010 --> 01:30:31,560
do with the fact that he wanted
the song to be on his upcoming

1363
01:30:31,560 --> 01:30:34,380
album, he quickly took to the
studio to release a diss track

1364
01:30:34,380 --> 01:30:36,960
titled stay strapped where at
the end of the song he would put

1365
01:30:36,960 --> 01:30:39,720
a $10,000 bounty on Gucci so icy
chain

1366
01:30:45,000 --> 01:30:47,310
Jeezy would start to distance
himself from Gucci and cause

1367
01:30:47,310 --> 01:30:50,070
some strain on their friendship.
Gucci would also get upset at

1368
01:30:50,070 --> 01:30:52,770
the fact they could never
perform their song live, which

1369
01:30:52,770 --> 01:30:55,200
he felt they were missing out on
a huge part of promotion.

1370
01:30:55,440 --> 01:30:58,200
Because once again, this isn't
the days where live shows made a

1371
01:30:58,200 --> 01:31:01,050
huge impact on getting your
music heard. But Jeezy didn't

1372
01:31:01,050 --> 01:31:04,320
stop and he continued to be.
Over the coming weeks the petty

1373
01:31:04,320 --> 01:31:07,380
beef would turn into something
much more. One summer evening

1374
01:31:07,380 --> 01:31:10,170
Gucci would go home with the
stripper after a party. Just a

1375
01:31:10,170 --> 01:31:13,200
month after the spicy hit
dropped. Five men stormed the

1376
01:31:13,200 --> 01:31:15,960
home where coochie was saying
armed with pistols brass

1377
01:31:15,960 --> 01:31:18,390
knuckles and duct tape. They
were getting into a physical

1378
01:31:18,390 --> 01:31:21,240
altercation pistol whipping the
stripper and hitting Gucci in

1379
01:31:21,240 --> 01:31:25,500
the face. One of the men
allegedly yelled shoot him. Wow.

1380
01:31:25,980 --> 01:31:29,310
So this was the bounty for the
chain. Damn. This is where the

1381
01:31:29,310 --> 01:31:30,600
chain comes in.

1382
01:31:32,460 --> 01:31:36,450
Two parts murder with allegedly
sitting around are centered

1383
01:31:36,480 --> 01:31:40,200
around a chain because somebody
tried to snatch his death row

1384
01:31:40,200 --> 01:31:44,220
chain. Right. And that's the
footage you see in any other

1385
01:31:44,880 --> 01:31:45,780
closed circuit.

1386
01:31:48,090 --> 01:31:51,360
Yeah, yeah. Yeah, cuz they'll
death row chains. Like I said,

1387
01:31:51,360 --> 01:31:54,990
Every crew had a chain. And it's
kind of like Capture the Flag,

1388
01:31:55,050 --> 01:32:00,750
if you want it to. And you even
see it to this day is capture

1389
01:32:00,750 --> 01:32:04,440
the flag and then now they go on
social media and show it all aha

1390
01:32:04,440 --> 01:32:07,290
got your chain? You know, do you
have to pay a ransom to get it

1391
01:32:07,290 --> 01:32:09,570
back? And that's like the one of
the most disrespectful things

1392
01:32:09,570 --> 01:32:12,900
like because for somebody to
take your chain off of you. They

1393
01:32:12,900 --> 01:32:17,130
had to be close to you. Yeah.
And what it represents is like I

1394
01:32:17,130 --> 01:32:21,630
can walk into anywhere I own you
know what it means I own you.

1395
01:32:21,660 --> 01:32:27,330
Yeah, I got 20 bucks to walk
around with that kind of jewelry

1396
01:32:27,330 --> 01:32:32,940
on 2030 $50,000 worth of jewelry
in one chain. And like, you

1397
01:32:32,940 --> 01:32:35,880
know, you don't have to tuck it
because that's like the I mean,

1398
01:32:35,880 --> 01:32:39,420
that's what Friday you remember
Friday, when I read forgot the

1399
01:32:39,420 --> 01:32:42,870
tuchis chain and Bebo took it
from him. I mean, this is these

1400
01:32:42,870 --> 01:32:47,160
are real, real life applications
you see in movies, but yeah,

1401
01:32:47,160 --> 01:32:50,730
getting your chain smashes by
one of the most disrespectful

1402
01:32:50,730 --> 01:32:53,340
things that can happen to you.
So I don't want I don't want to

1403
01:32:53,340 --> 01:32:55,170
belabor the point. I know we're
probably running. You know,

1404
01:32:55,170 --> 01:32:59,490
we've been very conversational.
I, honestly, I really love this.

1405
01:32:59,520 --> 01:33:03,420
I don't care how I got all
Saturday and Sunday morning,

1406
01:33:03,420 --> 01:33:06,690
brother, I can keep going this
is great. Because it's it's a

1407
01:33:06,690 --> 01:33:12,330
side of music, that while I was
kind of doing other things at

1408
01:33:12,330 --> 01:33:12,930
the time,

1409
01:33:14,040 --> 01:33:17,010
but all of these things that
you're talking about, I recall

1410
01:33:17,010 --> 01:33:19,140
or I remember some bits and
pieces of

1411
01:33:21,900 --> 01:33:24,420
and from an MTV guy perspective.

1412
01:33:26,790 --> 01:33:27,150
You know,

1413
01:33:28,530 --> 01:33:32,310
there was a very different view
of hip hop into this day, I

1414
01:33:32,310 --> 01:33:35,010
would say a very different view
of hip hop from the mainstream

1415
01:33:35,010 --> 01:33:38,670
media perspective, which is
probably the one I'm more more

1416
01:33:38,670 --> 01:33:42,570
familiar with. Because it's
number one single dad rapper

1417
01:33:42,600 --> 01:33:45,030
number one single dad, that's
the only way you get attention

1418
01:33:45,030 --> 01:33:49,620
for crossover. ads. Yeah, you
get a Pepsi ad and those big

1419
01:33:49,620 --> 01:33:53,580
companies like latch on to you
but nobody really. And I'll say

1420
01:33:53,580 --> 01:33:55,020
this, then we can jump right in
the four.

1421
01:33:56,160 --> 01:34:01,560
This is pertinent because you're
seeing dead rappers pop up now.

1422
01:34:02,400 --> 01:34:03,690
mode three,

1423
01:34:04,800 --> 01:34:09,210
King Vaughn, and a host of other
names or rappers. They're being

1424
01:34:09,210 --> 01:34:10,260
gunned down

1425
01:34:11,550 --> 01:34:17,850
right now, and some overtrained
steel. So it's not like we're

1426
01:34:17,850 --> 01:34:20,310
doing a history lesson. This is
a

1427
01:34:22,110 --> 01:34:26,880
peek inside peek inside of
what's really going on now. So

1428
01:34:26,880 --> 01:34:29,760
with that say I guess we can go
and jump into four upon

1429
01:34:29,760 --> 01:34:33,060
realizing his life was at risk.
coochie Shopback. Some people

1430
01:34:33,060 --> 01:34:35,670
say he reached for his gun,
where other stories say he may

1431
01:34:35,670 --> 01:34:39,120
have disarmed one of the men and
took his he shot the gun killing

1432
01:34:39,120 --> 01:34:42,510
one of the men as the others ran
off three days would go by until

1433
01:34:42,510 --> 01:34:45,240
someone found the body of the
deceased man in the woods behind

1434
01:34:45,240 --> 01:34:47,970
the elementary school. When the
smoke cleared, authorities

1435
01:34:47,970 --> 01:34:51,390
identified the man as pooky lock
one of Jesus prodigies under a

1436
01:34:51,390 --> 01:34:54,960
CTE label. After nine days Gucci
Mane will turn himself in

1437
01:34:54,960 --> 01:34:57,900
claiming self defense. He
released a statement saying he's

1438
01:34:57,900 --> 01:34:59,970
not a murderer, but he was
scared for his life.

1439
01:35:00,359 --> 01:35:03,479
He had to be a man about it. The
case would later be dismissed

1440
01:35:03,479 --> 01:35:06,449
after his eyewitness confirm
that Gucci acted in self defense

1441
01:35:06,449 --> 01:35:09,869
when five men tried to rob him,
going forward Jeezy was still

1442
01:35:09,869 --> 01:35:13,049
deny any involvement with
divani. Despite pooky lock being

1443
01:35:13,049 --> 01:35:16,049
directly tied to him in a CT
level, Gucci Mane would go

1444
01:35:16,049 --> 01:35:19,109
public saying he suffered from
PTSD from this event, and we'll

1445
01:35:19,109 --> 01:35:22,199
shoot jabs about it in his raps
He was later one of the most

1446
01:35:22,199 --> 01:35:23,969
famous lines he stated was this

1447
01:35:29,130 --> 01:35:33,900
to continue this feud for over
15 years until November 19 2020,

1448
01:35:33,960 --> 01:35:37,020
where they were put in the same
room as each other in 2020,

1449
01:35:37,050 --> 01:35:40,110
during the World pandemic of
COVID-19. Record producers,

1450
01:35:40,110 --> 01:35:43,140
Timberland and Swizz Beatz would
start a webcast series titled

1451
01:35:43,140 --> 01:35:46,260
verses with rappers unable to
perform this was a great way for

1452
01:35:46,260 --> 01:35:48,990
hip hop fans to watch their
favorite rappers go head to head

1453
01:35:49,020 --> 01:35:52,350
showcasing their hit songs in a
battle light competition after

1454
01:35:52,350 --> 01:35:54,900
Jeezy was invited to the show.
He requested to go up against

1455
01:35:54,900 --> 01:35:57,210
Gucci Mane thinking it would
bring good entertainment seeing

1456
01:35:57,210 --> 01:36:02,820
the long time for you to go head
to head. Oh, okay, now the veil

1457
01:36:02,820 --> 01:36:05,700
is lifted. Okay, I get it. I see
what's going on. What was that

1458
01:36:05,700 --> 01:36:09,810
quotable mo I couldn't quite
catch it. Which one? The one in

1459
01:36:09,810 --> 01:36:16,020
Oh, oh, go Go. Go dig, go dig
your partner. But she can't say

1460
01:36:16,020 --> 01:36:20,130
it. So he's talking about and
they do say pooky lock was Loke.

1461
01:36:20,160 --> 01:36:23,340
It was whenever his LLC is
pronounced Loke. But that was

1462
01:36:23,340 --> 01:36:28,020
the god so Gz allegedly, let me
let me make sure I don't piss

1463
01:36:28,020 --> 01:36:34,230
nobody off. Allegedly, the story
is that he sent put a bounty on

1464
01:36:34,260 --> 01:36:39,330
Gucci chain, the ice cream
chain. And these five guys who

1465
01:36:39,330 --> 01:36:43,140
were close associates to Gz went
to go.

1466
01:36:45,300 --> 01:36:48,000
Yeah, I mean, because if you get
it, then that gives you

1467
01:36:48,060 --> 01:36:51,510
automatic credibility. And can
you just translate this to

1468
01:36:51,510 --> 01:36:53,880
translate? Can you just because
I can't hear it? I can't hear

1469
01:36:53,880 --> 01:36:55,170
what's being said here. This

1470
01:37:00,390 --> 01:37:04,020
your partner up? And I bet he
can't say it.

1471
01:37:05,640 --> 01:37:11,460
Okay, gotcha. So basically, I
killed them. And you're saying

1472
01:37:11,460 --> 01:37:13,830
if you want to say something to
go dig him up.

1473
01:37:15,390 --> 01:37:20,850
And very nice, very gentlemanly.
It's not and the crazy thing and

1474
01:37:20,850 --> 01:37:23,550
this is why this versus now
we're at the versus

1475
01:37:25,260 --> 01:37:29,550
these two men in Magic City,
which is the club in Atlanta,

1476
01:37:29,580 --> 01:37:33,870
the strip club in Atlanta, the
world famous strip club in

1477
01:37:33,870 --> 01:37:34,980
Atlanta. Oh, what happened?

1478
01:37:36,930 --> 01:37:38,670
No, no, no, no, it's Majesty the
madness.

1479
01:37:40,680 --> 01:37:40,890
That's

1480
01:37:43,200 --> 01:37:43,770
right.

1481
01:37:45,210 --> 01:37:48,360
The place to be and I heard they
got great wings. I got I got

1482
01:37:50,220 --> 01:37:53,130
good authority. That will be the
only reason I go is for the

1483
01:37:53,130 --> 01:37:58,170
wings. I mean, I'm I'm so this
is the setup.

1484
01:37:59,640 --> 01:38:05,190
And you got Jeezy on stage? You
got Gucci on stage? People don't

1485
01:38:05,190 --> 01:38:06,630
know what's gonna happen.

1486
01:38:08,460 --> 01:38:11,670
Is Cray. I mean, this is what
Bill This is why 2 million

1487
01:38:11,670 --> 01:38:17,310
people tuned in, of course
sissy. Is it gonna explode it to

1488
01:38:17,370 --> 01:38:23,160
a brawl? or What now? Was this a
completely non mainstream

1489
01:38:23,160 --> 01:38:27,540
commercial event? Were there
advertisers sponsors? Or was

1490
01:38:27,540 --> 01:38:33,750
this completely organic? I know,
every urban or hip hop related

1491
01:38:34,320 --> 01:38:38,640
content creator had multiple
videos have videos on it. Now, I

1492
01:38:38,640 --> 01:38:41,370
don't know about commercial as
far as I didn't. I mean, I don't

1493
01:38:41,370 --> 01:38:45,750
watch very much commercial TV. I
didn't see any like ads for it.

1494
01:38:46,290 --> 01:38:49,440
But verge like I said, When
versus hit when versus say they

1495
01:38:49,440 --> 01:38:53,160
go to say a versus is a big
deal. Yeah. I think the lowest

1496
01:38:53,160 --> 01:38:57,750
when I seen maybe have like, a
couple 100,000 people live, you

1497
01:38:57,750 --> 01:39:00,030
know, that's pretty that's a
pretty significant, very

1498
01:39:00,030 --> 01:39:00,630
significant.

1499
01:39:01,740 --> 01:39:04,530
And then you talk about, Hey, I
think 2 million with the record,

1500
01:39:04,530 --> 01:39:07,110
I think this was the record
versus and who and who organized

1501
01:39:07,110 --> 01:39:14,940
this? Swiss beats and Timberland
super producer in hip hop. And

1502
01:39:14,940 --> 01:39:16,710
it's a genius idea.

1503
01:39:17,850 --> 01:39:20,880
So and then one of the other
ones the funny one was a baby

1504
01:39:20,880 --> 01:39:23,850
face and a teddy rally. That was
hilarious. So

1505
01:39:25,290 --> 01:39:28,260
how old are those guys at my age
now, aren't they? Right?

1506
01:39:29,610 --> 01:39:34,320
Yeah, so um, I guess let's get
into five and see what happens

1507
01:39:34,320 --> 01:39:37,320
that this versus after the show
got closer shots were already

1508
01:39:37,320 --> 01:39:40,920
being fired, mostly from Gucci
Zen. days leading up to the show

1509
01:39:40,920 --> 01:39:44,010
Gucci would post memes on his
Instagram about pokey lock as

1510
01:39:44,010 --> 01:39:46,770
well as insulting Jeezy's outfit
that he wore for his upcoming

1511
01:39:46,770 --> 01:39:50,370
album. As the show went on it we
gained over 1.8 million viewers

1512
01:39:50,370 --> 01:39:53,040
on Instagram alone. It started
out slow but things would

1513
01:39:53,040 --> 01:39:55,830
inevitably heat up as the
rappers played hit songs as well

1514
01:39:55,830 --> 01:39:58,800
as some of their old diss
records. By the end of the show,

1515
01:39:58,830 --> 01:40:00,000
they would make history when
they perform

1516
01:40:00,000 --> 01:40:03,780
Their hit song so I see together
for the first time in 15 years

1517
01:40:03,900 --> 01:40:06,510
after the song was performed,
the two would have a brief but

1518
01:40:06,510 --> 01:40:09,630
wholesome exchange of words. It
led many viewers to believe this

1519
01:40:09,630 --> 01:40:12,360
was the end of their long
lasting beef since the show

1520
01:40:12,360 --> 01:40:14,820
Jeezy has spoken out saying he
feels better hoping they could

1521
01:40:14,820 --> 01:40:17,490
put this all behind them since
then, rumors have come out

1522
01:40:17,490 --> 01:40:20,190
online about a possible collab
album coming soon.

1523
01:40:21,450 --> 01:40:23,400
Okay, so promise.

1524
01:40:25,290 --> 01:40:29,640
At the beginning of the verses,
it was very tense, because Gucci

1525
01:40:29,640 --> 01:40:35,100
man actually did the two diss
tracks. Talking about Jesus dead

1526
01:40:35,100 --> 01:40:36,090
homie Damn.

1527
01:40:37,110 --> 01:40:39,240
Yeah, I mean, cuz here's the
thing.

1528
01:40:40,260 --> 01:40:42,420
He says, I mean, cuz we, I guess
we

1529
01:40:43,770 --> 01:40:47,190
were at a point where we can
start looking at who Jeezy and

1530
01:40:47,370 --> 01:40:52,560
Gucci is to Gucci Jeezy was
always the corporate minded

1531
01:40:52,560 --> 01:40:55,260
person, he really didn't want to
be a rapper. He wanted to be a

1532
01:40:55,260 --> 01:40:59,730
CEO of a record company. But he
bet on himself, because like

1533
01:40:59,730 --> 01:41:03,150
because artists kept flaking on
him. So he, you know, he became

1534
01:41:03,180 --> 01:41:06,330
gotten in front of the
microphone, and started

1535
01:41:06,330 --> 01:41:08,100
recording music and he blew up
there.

1536
01:41:09,120 --> 01:41:12,300
But he always had that corporate
mentality. And I think that's

1537
01:41:12,300 --> 01:41:15,030
why record labels really
embraced him. That's why Def Jam

1538
01:41:15,030 --> 01:41:19,140
gave him a huge deal puffy, Jay
Z, they all put their arm around

1539
01:41:19,140 --> 01:41:24,570
him. And he became a fixture in
the music industry. But he never

1540
01:41:24,570 --> 01:41:29,820
had the popularity of a Gucci
man who was strict like, cap

1541
01:41:29,820 --> 01:41:35,190
trap. And what I mean by that
is, he was actually from the

1542
01:41:35,190 --> 01:41:40,110
trap. And when he became famous,
he stayed in the trap. So and

1543
01:41:40,110 --> 01:41:46,590
that's why the young artists
like a Migos Young Thug. All of

1544
01:41:46,590 --> 01:41:51,690
these guys came up on the gucci
mane. So it was every talk of

1545
01:41:51,690 --> 01:41:55,020
music wise Jeezy had the better
music, and probably had the

1546
01:41:55,020 --> 01:41:56,730
biggest Biggers

1547
01:41:58,260 --> 01:42:01,170
was that the highest higher
heights, but we talked about

1548
01:42:01,170 --> 01:42:06,150
longevity is Gucci man because
of his organic beginnings and

1549
01:42:06,150 --> 01:42:10,680
staying true to the streets in
the trap. So, but now, hopefully

1550
01:42:10,680 --> 01:42:14,760
they do do a collab, I doubt
they do a collabo. But that will

1551
01:42:14,760 --> 01:42:18,720
be nice to see. But it started
out very tense to be able to

1552
01:42:18,720 --> 01:42:22,230
begin that versus Well, I'm
excited to see how this unfolds.

1553
01:42:22,230 --> 01:42:26,730
We're not even halfway yet or
just about. Right. So speaking

1554
01:42:26,730 --> 01:42:31,620
of collabos I think we got one
of the best collabos in well in

1555
01:42:31,620 --> 01:42:32,610
podcasting.

1556
01:42:33,780 --> 01:42:37,770
And you want to remind people
what the mo Faxon Adam Curry

1557
01:42:37,770 --> 01:42:42,090
show is about Yeah, we'll do
that with this beautiful clip

1558
01:42:42,270 --> 01:42:45,780
from Malcolm X. First, the white
man in the black man have to be

1559
01:42:45,780 --> 01:42:48,930
able to sit down at the same
table, the white man has to feel

1560
01:42:48,930 --> 01:42:51,450
free to speak his mind without
hurting the feelings are both

1561
01:42:51,450 --> 01:42:54,570
Negro. And the so called Negro
has to feel free to speak his

1562
01:42:54,660 --> 01:42:57,630
mind without hurting the
feelings of the white man, then

1563
01:42:57,630 --> 01:43:00,000
they can bring the issues that
are under the rug out on top of

1564
01:43:00,000 --> 01:43:02,430
the table and take an
intelligent approach to get the

1565
01:43:02,430 --> 01:43:06,450
problem solved. The only way to
do it. And today's episode of

1566
01:43:06,450 --> 01:43:10,200
Moe facts with Adam Curry is
more an educational process than

1567
01:43:10,200 --> 01:43:15,270
a comparative process, which is
I think of paramount importance.

1568
01:43:15,270 --> 01:43:18,360
And thank you for humanizing, as
we said. And as you mentioned

1569
01:43:18,360 --> 01:43:22,740
many times, I'm very excited
about the rest of this show. And

1570
01:43:22,800 --> 01:43:25,980
you probably realize that this
kind of program, its length, the

1571
01:43:25,980 --> 01:43:30,840
topics, the language the way Moe
and I talk, which is just like

1572
01:43:30,840 --> 01:43:34,230
two American men who want to
understand stuff and learn from

1573
01:43:34,230 --> 01:43:36,810
each other, not really
compatible with canceled

1574
01:43:36,810 --> 01:43:39,990
culture, Black Lives Matter ink
or with commercials or any

1575
01:43:39,990 --> 01:43:45,030
corporate money, which is why
we've chosen for the successful

1576
01:43:45,030 --> 01:43:48,090
format known as value for value.
It's successful because the

1577
01:43:48,090 --> 01:43:51,360
producers of the podcast are the
ones who keep it running, you

1578
01:43:51,360 --> 01:43:55,080
get value out of it, all we ask
is for you to return that value.

1579
01:43:55,350 --> 01:43:58,380
It can be in a number of ways we
like to say time, talent or

1580
01:43:58,380 --> 01:44:01,320
treasure. In this case, we have
a list of producers, our

1581
01:44:01,320 --> 01:44:03,840
executive producers and
associated executive producers

1582
01:44:03,840 --> 01:44:07,290
and other producers who put this
together for us and have stuck

1583
01:44:07,290 --> 01:44:11,580
with us regardless of time
schedule. And we we published

1584
01:44:11,580 --> 01:44:15,090
but I think it's appreciated how
much work goes into this, how

1585
01:44:15,090 --> 01:44:19,230
much time efforts,
thoughtfulness and then for us

1586
01:44:19,230 --> 01:44:22,530
to be able to discuss the way we
do and keep it going. It's

1587
01:44:22,530 --> 01:44:25,770
really a testament to these
producers for helping us so with

1588
01:44:25,770 --> 01:44:28,800
that said let's start off with
thanking our executive producer

1589
01:44:28,800 --> 01:44:33,180
for episode number 55. And we
start with James Irvine, who

1590
01:44:33,210 --> 01:44:39,510
sent us $250.99 and he has a
note, just love this show. This

1591
01:44:39,510 --> 01:44:42,360
is a white guy this gives me a
wonderful insight into the true

1592
01:44:42,360 --> 01:44:45,870
meaning of being black. It goes
so much deeper than I ever knew

1593
01:44:45,870 --> 01:44:48,930
or even ever had a clue about
Thank you Moe and thank you Adam

1594
01:44:48,930 --> 01:44:52,590
for cluing me in in the morning.
He says Jeremy Jim Irvine Night

1595
01:44:52,590 --> 01:44:54,750
of the RV and a to the MS.

1596
01:44:57,180 --> 01:44:58,230
All right beautiful.

1597
01:44:59,400 --> 01:44:59,970
Another

1598
01:45:00,000 --> 01:45:05,670
familiar name here with $230.33
little magic sauce dipped on top

1599
01:45:05,670 --> 01:45:10,170
from Sir David Foucault's odo mo
anatomy says the education

1600
01:45:10,170 --> 01:45:13,080
continues. Thanks for doing the
work. I use the information you

1601
01:45:13,080 --> 01:45:16,260
bring up almost daily, most of
my American employees are black,

1602
01:45:16,260 --> 01:45:19,050
we've had a lot of great
enlightening conversation, some

1603
01:45:19,050 --> 01:45:21,390
of the more interesting chats
have been around the difference

1604
01:45:21,390 --> 01:45:24,000
in skin tone. And I would have
been lost if not for the

1605
01:45:24,000 --> 01:45:27,270
education I've had from the
show. Are you familiar with the

1606
01:45:27,270 --> 01:45:31,590
term high yellow for light
skinned blacks? Mo? Yes.

1607
01:45:32,700 --> 01:45:33,060
So

1608
01:45:34,560 --> 01:45:39,270
poly high yellow. And we may
talk about this one day, but

1609
01:45:39,300 --> 01:45:41,700
I'll be quick with it. So how
yellow is

1610
01:45:43,770 --> 01:45:46,170
it's a little different than by
ratio.

1611
01:45:47,430 --> 01:45:50,520
And what I mean by that is, you
see, I'm trying to think of

1612
01:45:50,520 --> 01:45:53,430
somebody or you could refer to
as high yellow or red bone.

1613
01:45:54,900 --> 01:45:59,220
It's, it's not that light
skinned that you get from like a

1614
01:45:59,220 --> 01:46:05,520
biracial, a relationship or a
child who biracial means it's

1615
01:46:05,520 --> 01:46:06,570
more of a

1616
01:46:08,310 --> 01:46:12,900
you have Halle Berry, she would
be considered by a hot yellow.

1617
01:46:13,440 --> 01:46:16,020
And it's pronounced yellow. I
don't know why, I mean from the

1618
01:46:16,020 --> 01:46:19,800
south. I don't know why, but
it's high yellow. So that's,

1619
01:46:19,830 --> 01:46:24,660
that's, that's what high yellow
means to me. Well, David said,

1620
01:46:24,660 --> 01:46:27,540
he said I did. He said many of
them are very active in the

1621
01:46:27,540 --> 01:46:30,540
Masons. Is that true? The high
yellow?

1622
01:46:32,220 --> 01:46:35,100
Yeah, cuz, well, you got to go
back to what we talked about

1623
01:46:35,100 --> 01:46:36,720
with the brown paper bags.

1624
01:46:37,740 --> 01:46:38,130
Of course.

1625
01:46:39,930 --> 01:46:44,460
That's very familiar, familiar,
familiar, as well. But he wants

1626
01:46:44,460 --> 01:46:46,680
to know if that'll be a topic in
the future. Well, sounds like we

1627
01:46:46,680 --> 01:46:51,570
will touch on that for sure. And
he continues anyways, keep up

1628
01:46:51,570 --> 01:46:54,600
the fantastically useful inform
and inform informative

1629
01:46:54,600 --> 01:46:57,330
conversations. It's been a while
since I've donated So could I

1630
01:46:57,330 --> 01:47:00,930
get a D dead beating and a
refreshing of mo karma? Yes, you

1631
01:47:00,930 --> 01:47:01,740
can, my friend.

1632
01:47:03,240 --> 01:47:07,320
Congratulations. You're no
longer I

1633
01:47:10,230 --> 01:47:10,920
would like to save

1634
01:47:13,470 --> 01:47:14,280
the karma flow.

1635
01:47:17,100 --> 01:47:20,430
Because it just came to my mind
that my wife and two of my

1636
01:47:20,430 --> 01:47:26,100
children are Hi, Ella. So so
that's why I don't get to the

1637
01:47:26,100 --> 01:47:27,570
colorism thing because

1638
01:47:29,310 --> 01:47:32,100
it hits home shots, the home
shirt, just be careful of the

1639
01:47:32,100 --> 01:47:33,780
number 33 around the house.

1640
01:47:34,920 --> 01:47:35,760
Yeah, I'm sorry about this.

1641
01:47:37,440 --> 01:47:41,730
Thanks, Dave. Definitely good
question $210.88 from David J.

1642
01:47:41,730 --> 01:47:44,820
Langford. He says I live in
Wyoming and love your podcast

1643
01:47:44,820 --> 01:47:47,190
and we love you David. Thank
you. And you're also an

1644
01:47:47,190 --> 01:47:52,140
executive producer of Episode
Number 55. Joseph when sell $100

1645
01:47:52,560 --> 01:47:56,340
so my informant mon mentioned
pips as a thing. While I'm at

1646
01:47:56,340 --> 01:47:59,730
the table, eating carrot cake
and wondering just how many

1647
01:47:59,730 --> 01:48:04,140
things are under the rug. After
the cast. I tune into episode

1648
01:48:04,140 --> 01:48:07,890
eight of hbos Perry Mason and
here the main lesbian character

1649
01:48:07,890 --> 01:48:09,270
called her lover a pip.

1650
01:48:11,910 --> 01:48:16,110
I don't know how that relates.
Yeah, I mean, when we say pips

1651
01:48:16,110 --> 01:48:19,320
it means in quotation air
quotes. Can't wait till all the

1652
01:48:19,320 --> 01:48:21,900
citizens of the United States of
America are at the table again.

1653
01:48:21,900 --> 01:48:24,510
So happy officer Drake turned in
his badge and gun in this

1654
01:48:24,510 --> 01:48:27,120
episode, especially considering
how much more money in

1655
01:48:27,120 --> 01:48:30,180
satisfaction the character will
get in the occupation of private

1656
01:48:30,180 --> 01:48:34,530
investigator IE podcaster in
pips, so Bo Jaiden is our

1657
01:48:34,530 --> 01:48:37,770
president elect Saturdays and
our future moment Adam, please

1658
01:48:37,770 --> 01:48:41,460
keep my keel even as best y'all
can get to the table and you

1659
01:48:41,460 --> 01:48:44,430
will get served especially at
Thanksgiving. They're very

1660
01:48:44,430 --> 01:48:50,340
poetic, Joseph. And all I can
say is, we'll see. I think

1661
01:48:50,340 --> 01:48:54,240
January 20. I'll know if his
blow giant is our president or

1662
01:48:54,240 --> 01:48:58,110
not. Donald rose do counting
there's almost a there's still

1663
01:48:59,130 --> 01:49:03,630
there's more than this that
going on. Donald Ralf also $100

1664
01:49:03,630 --> 01:49:06,060
to the OFAC show. Thank you.
Hello, mon Adam, love your show

1665
01:49:06,060 --> 01:49:08,490
and enlightenment. I'm a no
agenda night and learn value for

1666
01:49:08,490 --> 01:49:11,040
value from Adam. I'm making
attempts to catch up on episodes

1667
01:49:11,040 --> 01:49:14,580
and value in return. Keep up the
great work, sir. A fake Thank

1668
01:49:14,580 --> 01:49:18,930
you very much. Appreciate it.
Yes. archive.mo facts.com gives

1669
01:49:18,930 --> 01:49:23,790
you a beautiful overview. Oh,
yeah, I wanted to mention, we

1670
01:49:23,790 --> 01:49:28,860
are podcasting two point like
2.0 compliant with this show,

1671
01:49:28,860 --> 01:49:31,890
which means you need to get a
new podcast app or at least try

1672
01:49:31,890 --> 01:49:36,600
one out until yours gets up to
speed new podcast apps.com. We

1673
01:49:36,600 --> 01:49:42,240
now have transcripts inside of
the podcast apps themselves. So

1674
01:49:42,240 --> 01:49:45,540
if you're thinking Hey, where
did Adam and Moe talk about

1675
01:49:45,540 --> 01:49:48,540
something you can give an
example go to pod friend comm

1676
01:49:48,540 --> 01:49:52,110
use that you can even use it on
the website, or just as a web

1677
01:49:52,110 --> 01:49:55,290
app. And you can search the
transcript of what we said

1678
01:49:55,290 --> 01:49:58,050
inside each episode to find
exactly what you were looking

1679
01:49:58,050 --> 01:49:59,970
for. If you want to review
something. It's pretty cool.

1680
01:50:01,050 --> 01:50:06,030
Now we slip into our associate
executive producers $50 up to

1681
01:50:06,030 --> 01:50:10,710
100 john Taylor double nickels
and the dime $55.10 with the bbg

1682
01:50:10,710 --> 01:50:15,450
group we say indeed by blacks
guns thank you that's a good

1683
01:50:15,450 --> 01:50:17,430
start. Aaron BG

1684
01:50:18,869 --> 01:50:21,659
always give blacks cuz Yeah, he
didn't want to be BG I don't

1685
01:50:21,659 --> 01:50:23,369
know what how did how did that
get messed up?

1686
01:50:24,450 --> 01:50:28,350
I don't know it's this weird
mandela effect where he's a

1687
01:50:28,350 --> 01:50:30,810
Mandela, I think it's because
he's not the only one that said

1688
01:50:30,810 --> 01:50:34,620
that before they I know what it
is is because of build back

1689
01:50:34,620 --> 01:50:38,370
better is the three B's I think
people are getting confused but

1690
01:50:38,370 --> 01:50:42,180
yes it should be gbg which is
give blacks guns? Well what

1691
01:50:42,180 --> 01:50:44,340
depends on what solder
University room Oh, so maybe

1692
01:50:44,340 --> 01:50:45,690
we're just on a different side.

1693
01:50:47,370 --> 01:50:52,710
Maybe Maybe not greetings and
salutations as Aaron KEANEY. I'm

1694
01:50:52,710 --> 01:50:57,330
a tomo convert, which means
Aaron came to us via Tom Woods

1695
01:50:57,330 --> 01:51:01,110
no agenda to mo facts note about
Cynthia McKinney. Yes, we talked

1696
01:51:01,110 --> 01:51:04,380
about her. I'm not saying there
was not fraud in her 2002

1697
01:51:04,380 --> 01:51:07,440
primary loss. I was 11. So I was
not much in the know, but we

1698
01:51:07,440 --> 01:51:09,930
lived in her district. At the
time, I can attest that there

1699
01:51:09,930 --> 01:51:12,690
really was considerable
republican crossover. As I

1700
01:51:12,690 --> 01:51:15,690
remember, she ran unopposed for
a long time and that year

1701
01:51:15,690 --> 01:51:19,320
finally had challenger in the
primary. Yes, that is true. My

1702
01:51:19,320 --> 01:51:21,810
parents and all of their
republican friends voted in the

1703
01:51:21,810 --> 01:51:25,140
Democratic primary for her
challenger in Georgia. You don't

1704
01:51:25,140 --> 01:51:28,500
register with a specific party.
So when you walk up to the vote

1705
01:51:28,500 --> 01:51:31,500
in the primary, it's easy just
ask for the Democratic ballot

1706
01:51:31,500 --> 01:51:34,770
instead of the republican ballot
or vice versa. Perhaps the

1707
01:51:34,770 --> 01:51:37,380
Democratic Party put up a
challenge because of her

1708
01:51:37,560 --> 01:51:41,040
indiscretions, at the very least
having a challenger that

1709
01:51:41,040 --> 01:51:43,860
Republicans could vote for
provided cover for any fraud

1710
01:51:43,860 --> 01:51:46,980
that may have happened also, I
hope your theory that Stacey

1711
01:51:47,010 --> 01:51:50,640
Abrams is going to going down
with the ship is correct. I know

1712
01:51:50,640 --> 01:51:54,450
democrat establishment Schumer
etc. wanted her to run for the

1713
01:51:54,450 --> 01:51:57,810
Johnny Isaacson senate seat and
were miffed that she had bigger

1714
01:51:57,810 --> 01:52:00,750
aspirations. So there's
certainly motive there. love

1715
01:52:00,750 --> 01:52:04,350
y'all thinking of you? Stay
thinking says Aaron. Yeah.

1716
01:52:05,640 --> 01:52:10,500
You can already see a moment I
you were texting. yesterday. The

1717
01:52:10,830 --> 01:52:15,000
setup or the the alley is there
for the OOP to have her holding

1718
01:52:15,000 --> 01:52:17,970
the bag. Whoops. About that
lingo.

1719
01:52:19,110 --> 01:52:21,060
It looks like it's happening.
They're putting her in front and

1720
01:52:21,060 --> 01:52:24,720
center just in case. That's the
headline I've seen everywhere.

1721
01:52:24,900 --> 01:52:28,350
They see a new investigation and
we'll talk about that, Anna?

1722
01:52:29,370 --> 01:52:29,910
No.

1723
01:52:31,260 --> 01:52:34,230
When she's in the very, very
near future, I'll say that when

1724
01:52:34,230 --> 01:52:35,640
she's in jail, we'll talk about
her.

1725
01:52:37,620 --> 01:52:41,160
William smock $55 Have you
watched the third season of

1726
01:52:41,160 --> 01:52:48,060
Fargo? No, I haven't you have
seen it is good. Yes, yes. He

1727
01:52:48,060 --> 01:52:50,760
says here it's the fight between
Jews Italians and blacks in

1728
01:52:50,760 --> 01:52:54,600
Kansas City, Missouri, to not be
at the bottom. Thanks for your

1729
01:52:54,600 --> 01:52:57,660
hard work. Oh, no, I gotta watch
it. That's cool. That is the

1730
01:52:57,690 --> 01:53:01,650
best representation of the
bottom. William that was a

1731
01:53:01,680 --> 01:53:05,520
great, great point out well,
please check that out. We became

1732
01:53:05,520 --> 01:53:06,450
Fargo Well, we got

1733
01:53:10,410 --> 01:53:11,010
good work.

1734
01:53:12,660 --> 01:53:15,930
tyreke Sharif $50 no note we
thank you for that terrific

1735
01:53:15,930 --> 01:53:19,740
James chap coast as thank you
for your courage. $50 Curtis,

1736
01:53:19,740 --> 01:53:24,270
there we go. Happy Birthday mo
$50. There you go. I know you

1737
01:53:24,270 --> 01:53:29,490
should have given 40 not 50. And
with that we wrap up our

1738
01:53:29,490 --> 01:53:31,890
executive producers and
associate executive producers

1739
01:53:31,890 --> 01:53:35,610
donations for Episode Number 55
of mo facts with Adam Curry, we

1740
01:53:35,610 --> 01:53:37,590
do have a few more people to
think we'll do that a little bit

1741
01:53:37,590 --> 01:53:40,890
later on in the program. But
again, it's value for value.

1742
01:53:41,070 --> 01:53:44,160
Whatever you get out of this,
just turn it into some numbers.

1743
01:53:44,160 --> 01:53:47,250
We've seen some interesting
numbers as well today I like to

1744
01:53:47,250 --> 01:53:52,290
to add 5099 to 3033 110 88.
These are all these have

1745
01:53:52,290 --> 01:53:56,430
meanings. And I think they're
powerful actually. Just whatever

1746
01:53:56,430 --> 01:54:00,030
it is, it could be $1 it could
be $5 value is up to you, not

1747
01:54:00,090 --> 01:54:04,860
us. And please just go to moe
facts.com and click on the

1748
01:54:04,860 --> 01:54:07,890
donate button or you can go
directly to the donation page at

1749
01:54:07,890 --> 01:54:12,870
mo fund me.com Mr. fqndme.com.
And thank you all for your

1750
01:54:12,870 --> 01:54:13,500
courage.

1751
01:54:14,610 --> 01:54:18,390
Alright, so we're coming out of
the donation segment and

1752
01:54:18,390 --> 01:54:22,530
straight into a throwback block.
So this is from the show the

1753
01:54:22,530 --> 01:54:28,020
shoot is number 48. And this is
white Mike. So I want to we

1754
01:54:28,020 --> 01:54:32,280
don't have to linger around a
long conversation in between

1755
01:54:32,310 --> 01:54:37,290
each clip. But I want to play
these clips to give context for

1756
01:54:37,290 --> 01:54:43,020
the affer mentioned trap music.
And then it'll explain a little

1757
01:54:43,020 --> 01:54:46,530
better the second half of the
show. Now in this time I learned

1758
01:54:46,560 --> 01:54:49,470
a lot of beautiful things about
a lot of beautiful people. I

1759
01:54:49,470 --> 01:54:52,200
learned a lot of ugly things
about myself. And I learned a

1760
01:54:52,200 --> 01:54:55,650
lot of dark things about the
nation in which we live. But I

1761
01:54:55,650 --> 01:54:58,890
also learned that I being white
Mike specifically the white part

1762
01:54:59,010 --> 01:54:59,970
have a lot of power.

1763
01:55:00,000 --> 01:55:03,300
Mike has a question today. And
that's this. How come when you

1764
01:55:03,300 --> 01:55:06,960
turn on the radio in
Jacksonville, or New Orleans, or

1765
01:55:06,960 --> 01:55:11,610
Chicago for little rock? The
only people on the radio that

1766
01:55:11,610 --> 01:55:15,150
talk about how great it is to
kill each other, are black.

1767
01:55:16,890 --> 01:55:22,470
How come that exist 15 stations
on a dial go up, go down. The

1768
01:55:22,500 --> 01:55:26,070
only people on the radio
bragging about getting automatic

1769
01:55:26,070 --> 01:55:30,030
weapons gunning each other down,
are black. This right here is a

1770
01:55:30,030 --> 01:55:33,450
song. My pastoral vocabulary
won't let me read the title.

1771
01:55:34,650 --> 01:55:37,020
But I will read this catchy
young black male not paying

1772
01:55:37,020 --> 01:55:40,050
attention that the red light
with your ak 47. Let me see you

1773
01:55:40,050 --> 01:55:42,690
shoot it here a killer. You're a
killer. You're a killer. You're

1774
01:55:42,690 --> 01:55:45,960
a killer, black male? Let me see
you prove it. Why does this

1775
01:55:45,960 --> 01:55:49,590
exist? Oh, this is a great
series of clips. I've often used

1776
01:55:49,590 --> 01:55:54,180
this as an example with people
so I won't spoil it. Yes, I want

1777
01:55:54,180 --> 01:55:54,330
to

1778
01:55:55,500 --> 01:55:58,440
play this just to show that how
it's normalized.

1779
01:55:59,670 --> 01:56:04,020
The acceptance of the behavior
that went on between Jeezy and

1780
01:56:04,050 --> 01:56:07,830
Gucci man. And not only that,
that's why I chose the person

1781
01:56:07,830 --> 01:56:12,360
that did the background of their
beef as a I would assume to be a

1782
01:56:12,360 --> 01:56:17,970
suburban white kid, a white
young man. Oh, it's totally

1783
01:56:17,970 --> 01:56:20,880
accepted. And I just, I couldn't
get to the next clip, I just

1784
01:56:20,880 --> 01:56:24,960
want to point out to people, all
the terms that come out of trap

1785
01:56:24,960 --> 01:56:32,010
rap and bleed over into everyday
society like Turk and Draco and,

1786
01:56:32,730 --> 01:56:37,110
and her ball and chopper purple
lane. I mean, do you think it's

1787
01:56:37,140 --> 01:56:41,370
just and it's and it's really,
really see it show up in

1788
01:56:41,400 --> 01:56:44,670
advertisement to show like some
kind of credibility. So I just

1789
01:56:44,670 --> 01:56:48,360
want to say that, I guess we can
get into the second white mic

1790
01:56:48,360 --> 01:56:51,060
clip. I'll take it even further.
Because a lot of time racism

1791
01:56:51,060 --> 01:56:55,140
exists in what we in what we
don't know what we don't see.

1792
01:56:55,230 --> 01:56:57,840
Where are the white killers on
the radio?

1793
01:56:59,340 --> 01:57:02,910
Where are the white ak 47
shooters? Where the white drug

1794
01:57:02,910 --> 01:57:06,210
dealers? Where are the white
people on the radio that brag

1795
01:57:06,210 --> 01:57:10,470
about what it's like to murder
witnesses before trial? The

1796
01:57:10,470 --> 01:57:14,220
truth is they don't exist. And
the question is why? Why don't

1797
01:57:14,220 --> 01:57:17,310
they exist? Do white people not
kill people? Do white people not

1798
01:57:17,310 --> 01:57:20,280
use ak 47 to shoot each other? I
mean, we know do white people

1799
01:57:20,280 --> 01:57:23,580
not do drugs and they're not do
drugs? Of course they do. But

1800
01:57:23,580 --> 01:57:27,060
why is it that doesn't make it
to our mainstream radio? Why is

1801
01:57:27,060 --> 01:57:29,490
it that we don't hear it
hundreds of times a day in

1802
01:57:29,580 --> 01:57:33,390
hundreds of cities across the
nation 1000s of plays that say

1803
01:57:33,420 --> 01:57:36,210
the idea that a black guy would
kill another black guy is

1804
01:57:36,210 --> 01:57:39,060
something to be celebrated.
Something to be romanticized.

1805
01:57:39,870 --> 01:57:43,740
Yeah, well, that was playing
since I've already heard this is

1806
01:57:43,740 --> 01:57:47,670
a throwback to Episode 48. The
only white song that comes to

1807
01:57:47,670 --> 01:57:51,990
mind about a white guy killing a
white guy is Johnny Cash.

1808
01:57:53,190 --> 01:57:56,610
That's how long I killed a man
in Reno just to watch him die.

1809
01:57:57,270 --> 01:58:00,930
And oh, gee, Johnny K. Oh, gee,
man, very Oh, gee, I got to

1810
01:58:00,930 --> 01:58:03,990
think about if there's any more.
But yeah, so weird.

1811
01:58:05,730 --> 01:58:08,700
And it's just totally accepted.
Like I say, I just want to lay

1812
01:58:08,700 --> 01:58:12,900
this out just so people can
really think about in hindsight,

1813
01:58:12,900 --> 01:58:18,750
what we've discussed, as a whole
culture, and Wise's accept it

1814
01:58:18,750 --> 01:58:22,950
and like, and I'm guilty of it
too, because I enjoy rap music.

1815
01:58:23,670 --> 01:58:25,260
But when does it?

1816
01:58:26,520 --> 01:58:30,870
How does it build the cage? That
is the mind trap. So just think

1817
01:58:30,870 --> 01:58:34,260
about that. And I guess we can
get to the third one. And maybe

1818
01:58:34,260 --> 01:58:37,110
that maybe it's because there's
no white audience for it? Or

1819
01:58:37,110 --> 01:58:39,690
maybe it's because it's not
really marketable. Maybe because

1820
01:58:39,690 --> 01:58:41,850
it's not good. Can't get
sponsors. I don't know why it

1821
01:58:41,850 --> 01:58:44,700
is. Or maybe it's because it's
just not the white man's role.

1822
01:58:44,760 --> 01:58:47,010
Or maybe when white people get
up and talk about being drug

1823
01:58:47,010 --> 01:58:50,070
dealers and ak 47 killers. Maybe
it's even sicker than that.

1824
01:58:50,070 --> 01:58:52,710
Maybe when white people do it,
they're accused of acting black.

1825
01:58:53,400 --> 01:58:57,240
The truth is in America, black
murder is normal. Black murder

1826
01:58:57,240 --> 01:58:59,340
is normal. The idea that a black
man or a black woman would be

1827
01:58:59,340 --> 01:59:02,940
involved in a homicide, either
as a perpetrator or victim is so

1828
01:59:02,940 --> 01:59:06,450
common, so broadly accepted that
basically goes unnoticed. The

1829
01:59:06,450 --> 01:59:08,160
truth of the matter is black
families are affected by

1830
01:59:08,160 --> 01:59:12,000
homicide rates of 10 times their
white counterparts. There will

1831
01:59:12,000 --> 01:59:14,670
be more deaf in the form of
homicide involving black people

1832
01:59:14,670 --> 01:59:17,190
this year than any other form of
violence that dominates our

1833
01:59:17,190 --> 01:59:19,740
national conversation. More than
school shootings, mass

1834
01:59:19,740 --> 01:59:22,050
shootings, mass shootings,
workplace shootings, lovers

1835
01:59:22,050 --> 01:59:25,770
twist lovers trips that turn
violent and buddy even more than

1836
01:59:25,770 --> 01:59:28,770
in war and in terrorism, no one
will lose their life at greater

1837
01:59:28,770 --> 01:59:32,310
numbers than black Americans
involved in violence. You know,

1838
01:59:32,310 --> 01:59:34,770
Blackbird in our country is not
only comes not only frequent,

1839
01:59:34,860 --> 01:59:36,870
but it's an idea that we
celebrate. It's an idea that we

1840
01:59:36,870 --> 01:59:40,890
say is is okay. We actually make
heroes out of the notion he rose

1841
01:59:40,890 --> 01:59:44,520
out of people that trivialize
and romanticize it. Every time I

1842
01:59:44,520 --> 01:59:46,440
show this information, people
always say well, it's the number

1843
01:59:46,440 --> 01:59:48,840
three cause of death for white
males. What is the number one

1844
01:59:48,840 --> 01:59:51,150
cause of death and without fail
year after year, it's called

1845
01:59:51,180 --> 01:59:54,480
unintentional injuries,
accidents, falling off a four

1846
01:59:54,480 --> 01:59:58,590
wheeler or crashing, you know, a
go kart or you know, bungee

1847
01:59:58,590 --> 02:00:00,000
jumping without paying attention
to you

1848
02:00:00,000 --> 02:00:02,700
No knots and things like that.
So basically the American story

1849
02:00:02,700 --> 02:00:05,670
is white kids are dying because
they're clumsy and black kids

1850
02:00:05,670 --> 02:00:07,500
are dying because they're gunned
down

1851
02:00:09,570 --> 02:00:13,620
so put To put this in
perspective cuz you imagine

1852
02:00:13,860 --> 02:00:17,610
carrying Justin Bieber guns down
one of the Jonas Brothers

1853
02:00:19,109 --> 02:00:21,179
progress but no I can't

1854
02:00:22,320 --> 02:00:24,570
now let me just say this that's
how

1855
02:00:25,710 --> 02:00:33,240
either accepted and warped the
trap mind is compared to the

1856
02:00:33,270 --> 02:00:38,370
mainstream media music do you
know let me just relate

1857
02:00:38,370 --> 02:00:40,320
something I know we didn't want
to talk too much in between

1858
02:00:40,320 --> 02:00:42,120
these clips but comes to mind

1859
02:00:44,010 --> 02:00:50,280
Ted Demi Ted Demi is the guy who
really started yo MTV Raps with

1860
02:00:51,570 --> 02:00:56,850
Ed lover Dr. Dre different Dr.
Dre. And Ted, because I watched

1861
02:00:56,850 --> 02:00:59,130
this up close and I was
fascinated by it.

1862
02:01:00,270 --> 02:01:03,450
And I always got the feeling
that Ted is no longer with us.

1863
02:01:03,450 --> 02:01:06,720
Sadly, I wish he was because
man, the guy did so much for the

1864
02:01:06,720 --> 02:01:11,190
music. But to me, it always felt
a little bit like let me help

1865
02:01:11,190 --> 02:01:13,470
these these black people get
their success

1866
02:01:15,240 --> 02:01:17,880
in it sounds kind of weird,
because I know it came from a

1867
02:01:17,880 --> 02:01:21,480
really good place. And he really
wanted to expose the music but

1868
02:01:21,480 --> 02:01:23,670
the time that then that's why I
said it much earlier in the

1869
02:01:23,670 --> 02:01:26,910
show. Yeah, we've got to get the
the urban cnn people have got to

1870
02:01:26,910 --> 02:01:30,150
hear this, we got to get that
out there. So it was really

1871
02:01:30,150 --> 02:01:33,960
encouraged. It was encouraging,
discussing exactly what's

1872
02:01:33,960 --> 02:01:36,660
happening on the streets. And of
course, you know, once that's

1873
02:01:36,660 --> 02:01:39,600
encouraged, once that becomes a
hit then comes the money then

1874
02:01:39,600 --> 02:01:42,090
it's Hey, we want that you ain't
getting you know, you're not

1875
02:01:42,090 --> 02:01:45,000
putting that record out. Not
that happy sunshiny stuff we

1876
02:01:45,000 --> 02:01:49,740
want this. So it was an industry
from early on before trap

1877
02:01:49,740 --> 02:01:50,130
really.

1878
02:01:51,450 --> 02:01:55,380
And was weird thing about it.
That's why I said that my taste

1879
02:01:55,380 --> 02:01:59,100
was different. And I looked at
the word trap, and the whole

1880
02:01:59,100 --> 02:02:02,340
culture differently because as
you say, I grew up under

1881
02:02:04,590 --> 02:02:08,790
root, it was one thing to tell
the story and not sugarcoat it,

1882
02:02:09,000 --> 02:02:13,380
and be district descriptive. And
so it has the appropriate amount

1883
02:02:13,380 --> 02:02:20,160
of impact. What we saw with trap
music was the quality go down

1884
02:02:20,490 --> 02:02:26,460
the intelligence go down the
being a caricature of

1885
02:02:27,630 --> 02:02:28,920
basically

1886
02:02:30,390 --> 02:02:35,670
hood culture, not even know not
even hood culture. It was going

1887
02:02:35,670 --> 02:02:37,590
back to the days of blackface,

1888
02:02:38,610 --> 02:02:42,570
right? Oh my goodness, yes, it
cuz it's, they can't even

1889
02:02:43,260 --> 02:02:47,520
pronounce words correctly. And
that kind of encouraged them to

1890
02:02:47,520 --> 02:02:52,740
say this. And then we can get
straight into the next clip. But

1891
02:02:53,640 --> 02:02:55,950
one of the things I noticed
about Charlemagne,

1892
02:02:57,480 --> 02:03:00,240
he says straight scream.

1893
02:03:01,980 --> 02:03:06,450
Um, which is a normal curse in
the south. Because like I said,

1894
02:03:06,780 --> 02:03:10,350
and we get roasted for it. But
nobody says anything to people

1895
02:03:10,350 --> 02:03:13,230
from the islands that says, tree
for three and that kind of

1896
02:03:13,230 --> 02:03:20,040
thing. So but what I'm saying is
to be a trained broadcaster, and

1897
02:03:20,040 --> 02:03:23,520
you can speak to this more than
I can. They would normally work,

1898
02:03:23,850 --> 02:03:29,190
excuse me, but normally work
that out of your speech to say,

1899
02:03:29,700 --> 02:03:34,380
straight Street. But he still
says great his screen, which I

1900
02:03:34,380 --> 02:03:41,400
think he holds on to as a dog
whistle to be real.

1901
02:03:42,780 --> 02:03:46,380
code switching, of course,
what's not even code switching?

1902
02:03:46,380 --> 02:03:49,770
Because he doesn't, no matter
how he's when he says he always

1903
02:03:49,770 --> 02:03:53,580
says, scrape and scream, right.
But I'm saying does He say that

1904
02:03:53,610 --> 02:03:56,550
on the radio? Or does he say
that in private too? That's my

1905
02:03:56,550 --> 02:04:00,510
question. He says, All righty, I
don't think that that would be

1906
02:04:00,510 --> 02:04:04,020
even weirder. Well, that's what
it is. If you're performing in

1907
02:04:04,020 --> 02:04:07,320
blackface, then that's what you
do you do that on the radio,

1908
02:04:07,320 --> 02:04:10,230
maybe not privately. That's I
don't know the answer if he's

1909
02:04:10,230 --> 02:04:15,120
doing it around. And I saw this
crop up in the music of the

1910
02:04:15,120 --> 02:04:19,170
mispronunciation of words. Uh,

1911
02:04:20,760 --> 02:04:24,060
on purpose, I would say cuz and
I say I say this one, I think

1912
02:04:24,780 --> 02:04:28,830
plies Jamie Foxx called out
plies for this, which prizes a

1913
02:04:28,830 --> 02:04:31,890
popular rapper from that era of
the trap when the trap music

1914
02:04:31,890 --> 02:04:36,540
first cropped up. He thought he
was gonna meet and he you know,

1915
02:04:36,540 --> 02:04:41,520
he has a real heavy Southern
accent when he's in an acting.

1916
02:04:42,150 --> 02:04:46,050
So when Jamie Foxx said when he
went to go meet him, he expected

1917
02:04:46,650 --> 02:04:49,920
him to speak the same way. He's
like, Hi, how are you doing?

1918
02:04:51,270 --> 02:04:55,320
So it's different. I have a
southern accent and I don't want

1919
02:04:55,320 --> 02:04:57,120
to get rid of it because that's
just who I am.

1920
02:04:58,770 --> 02:04:59,940
And I also

1921
02:05:00,750 --> 02:05:04,170
Speak somewhat different in
conversation, because I want for

1922
02:05:04,170 --> 02:05:06,930
clarity purposes. I don't want
people to not understand what

1923
02:05:06,930 --> 02:05:11,760
I'm saying. But I don't go out
of my way to change the way I

1924
02:05:11,760 --> 02:05:15,720
speak. So I'm just saying that I
noticed that there's this thing

1925
02:05:15,750 --> 02:05:19,920
of dumbing down that came in
with trap music. And I'm all in

1926
02:05:19,950 --> 02:05:24,240
on that point. Now we don't have
maybe two shoes today. He can't

1927
02:05:24,240 --> 02:05:26,610
get away with it. Nobody, nobody
would put out there. But we do

1928
02:05:26,610 --> 02:05:29,100
have black people to get on the
radio every day in Why don't

1929
02:05:29,100 --> 02:05:31,770
companies Why don't stations
with white owned sponsors that

1930
02:05:31,770 --> 02:05:34,350
play the role of hyper
sexualized, hyper criminalized

1931
02:05:34,350 --> 02:05:36,900
male? I asked these advertisers
say I've gotten hundreds of

1932
02:05:36,900 --> 02:05:39,150
songs a day that celebrate
killing animals, will you put

1933
02:05:39,150 --> 02:05:41,940
them on your station visit? No,
I got hundreds of songs a day to

1934
02:05:41,940 --> 02:05:45,570
talk about assaulting women and
and abusing kids. Would you put

1935
02:05:45,570 --> 02:05:47,730
them on your station? They said
no. I said I got hundreds of

1936
02:05:47,730 --> 02:05:50,190
songs a day to talk about
murdering blacks. Would you put

1937
02:05:50,190 --> 02:05:51,990
them on your stations? They said
Well, that depends.

1938
02:05:53,190 --> 02:05:56,250
Depends on what who is done by
and who it's branded for.

1939
02:05:56,640 --> 02:05:58,860
Because we can get black folks
to sing about it. We can brand

1940
02:05:58,860 --> 02:06:01,110
it for our youngest black
audiences. I think there's money

1941
02:06:01,110 --> 02:06:04,380
to be made. I think there's
American appetites to see these

1942
02:06:04,380 --> 02:06:05,220
people that way.

1943
02:06:07,470 --> 02:06:10,980
Yeah, that's that's a money clip
right there. So I'm gonna make

1944
02:06:10,980 --> 02:06:14,700
one point. Just one small point.
We saw this not waiting for

1945
02:06:14,700 --> 02:06:17,970
money sake, but for voters site
with booty to the poll. Yes.

1946
02:06:19,890 --> 02:06:23,040
So I'll, I'll just leave that.
If you ever seen it, go, look,

1947
02:06:23,250 --> 02:06:27,780
go listen to our thinking about
last show. But go or maybe it

1948
02:06:27,780 --> 02:06:31,710
was 53, I believe. But go look
at booty to the pole. They used

1949
02:06:32,280 --> 02:06:35,490
that mentality or tried to
communicate cake to black men on

1950
02:06:35,490 --> 02:06:39,030
that level of depravity. Which
if you're a sex worker, that's

1951
02:06:39,090 --> 02:06:43,590
mean more power to you. I don't
knock say Episode Two. Yeah, so

1952
02:06:43,590 --> 02:06:46,890
it's 52. So with that with that
podcast and 2.0 at work there,

1953
02:06:46,890 --> 02:06:51,510
sir. No, no, that's Adam Curry,
who's just has a has a

1954
02:06:51,540 --> 02:06:55,860
photographic memory of clips.
Okay. But it's like 2.0 is

1955
02:06:55,860 --> 02:06:59,190
coming. Yeah, no, it's coming.
It's coming. But you can use it

1956
02:06:59,190 --> 02:07:02,340
for that function, when it's up
and running. So I guess we'll

1957
02:07:02,340 --> 02:07:05,580
just go and wrap up with white
Mike. I said, How can you say

1958
02:07:05,580 --> 02:07:07,380
that? They said, Well, look,
it's what these artists know.

1959
02:07:07,410 --> 02:07:10,350
It's what they black people
create. It's Matter of fact, our

1960
02:07:10,350 --> 02:07:12,360
survey say it's what they want
to hear, which makes up a

1961
02:07:12,360 --> 02:07:15,390
sickness. How do we live in a
society where somebody says, You

1962
02:07:15,390 --> 02:07:18,090
know what, I'm inspired to write
a song that celebrates murdering

1963
02:07:18,090 --> 02:07:20,400
another person. And then a
person says, I'd like to put

1964
02:07:20,400 --> 02:07:22,740
that on my station, other
person, I'd like to pay for it.

1965
02:07:22,860 --> 02:07:24,630
And then there's people out here
in the audience that go, I'd

1966
02:07:24,630 --> 02:07:27,690
love to hear it. As long as it's
black guys, because even white

1967
02:07:27,690 --> 02:07:30,630
people buy rap music, buy this
type of stuff. Because we know

1968
02:07:30,630 --> 02:07:32,880
that when we want to hear about
killing each other, we know who

1969
02:07:32,880 --> 02:07:36,960
to turn to, for that type of
inspiration. We call it our

1970
02:07:36,960 --> 02:07:39,630
music. We say we own it. White
people buy more rap and black

1971
02:07:39,630 --> 02:07:41,970
people. Yeah, but we're very
careful to turn it down at the

1972
02:07:41,970 --> 02:07:43,920
stoplight when other black
people are there. Why? Because

1973
02:07:43,920 --> 02:07:47,280
we know we're just pretending
for them. It's more authentic

1974
02:07:47,280 --> 02:07:50,400
and real. I always ask the
companies What about your name?

1975
02:07:50,400 --> 02:07:52,440
What about your brand? What
about your value? And the

1976
02:07:52,440 --> 02:07:55,560
largest radio company in the
world said this, it's okay. That

1977
02:07:55,560 --> 02:07:58,080
we only have drug dealers on our
black youth stations. We only

1978
02:07:58,080 --> 02:08:00,570
have murders on our black
stations. We support black

1979
02:08:00,570 --> 02:08:03,480
charities we give out water at
the Martin Luther King parade. I

1980
02:08:03,480 --> 02:08:07,530
think we've got it covered. We
bought them off. And it is it is

1981
02:08:07,530 --> 02:08:13,350
really black radio, isn't it?
Yes. And it's all radio to be to

1982
02:08:13,350 --> 02:08:17,250
be honest, but it's really radio
it's not Music Television is not

1983
02:08:17,400 --> 02:08:21,750
it's it's radio radio is so
important. And and the reason I

1984
02:08:21,750 --> 02:08:25,020
say three three Yes. And the
reason I say this is because if

1985
02:08:25,020 --> 02:08:29,280
there's one industry that I
personally have helped kill and

1986
02:08:29,280 --> 02:08:32,520
bring down and is the radio
industry because of podcasting.

1987
02:08:32,760 --> 02:08:37,530
And so for them to to hold on to
anything that works they will

1988
02:08:37,530 --> 02:08:40,380
promote the shit out of it for
as long as they can to keep that

1989
02:08:40,380 --> 02:08:44,100
going as long as they can.
Because the culture is radio

1990
02:08:44,100 --> 02:08:47,550
listening and they just tuning
into their audience that's sadly

1991
02:08:47,550 --> 02:08:51,600
that's also capitalism. And to
go back to what I was speaking

1992
02:08:51,600 --> 02:08:54,900
about about writing was before
you could afford a CD deck in

1993
02:08:54,900 --> 02:08:57,780
your car before ot cords and
blue suit connection Yeah, the

1994
02:08:57,780 --> 02:09:01,410
radio Sure there you had the
radio and the radio is really a

1995
02:09:01,410 --> 02:09:04,140
monopoly because they said play
the same seven songs all the

1996
02:09:04,140 --> 02:09:08,280
stations mean over every hour on
our Yes. So.

1997
02:09:09,300 --> 02:09:12,120
And I want to make one last
point. When you said about white

1998
02:09:12,120 --> 02:09:17,040
rappers. We saw post malone came
out of the trap. Right?

1999
02:09:18,090 --> 02:09:23,070
But when he made it to top 40
star, his musical content

2000
02:09:23,070 --> 02:09:28,350
change. Yeah. Now what's about
maybe clubbing love, fall in

2001
02:09:28,350 --> 02:09:31,140
love that kind of thing. He
didn't rap about Draco's and

2002
02:09:31,140 --> 02:09:35,940
choppers and all the things that
uh that he went he made his way

2003
02:09:35,970 --> 02:09:39,510
up through the trap. So they
don't that was that is not

2004
02:09:39,510 --> 02:09:43,710
accepted. That is not accepted
to have even m&m the same thing.

2005
02:09:43,800 --> 02:09:48,000
Right. He was. He was rapping
about like Munchausen syndrome

2006
02:09:48,000 --> 02:09:52,260
and in his hate for his mother
so that you don't really have a

2007
02:09:53,280 --> 02:09:58,440
industry push. Why artists that
are you know rapping about

2008
02:09:58,500 --> 02:09:59,490
killing people.

2009
02:10:01,020 --> 02:10:02,520
In May well killing

2010
02:10:04,350 --> 02:10:07,320
in the way that black black
artists are right, so I say all

2011
02:10:07,320 --> 02:10:09,150
this I set all that up to say,

2012
02:10:10,260 --> 02:10:13,680
to point out this special guests
that showed up to the verses to

2013
02:10:13,680 --> 02:10:16,980
stop by to deliver a special
message. Yes, real quick. Thanks

2014
02:10:16,980 --> 02:10:19,830
for coming to verses, we got a
special color for you guys right

2015
02:10:19,830 --> 02:10:22,710
now coming on. Hi, this is
Stacey Abrams.

2016
02:10:25,320 --> 02:10:25,890
How you doing?

2017
02:10:26,970 --> 02:10:30,390
Thank you for letting me crash
before what I know is the battle

2018
02:10:30,390 --> 02:10:33,900
to end all battles of versus to
end up versus so thank you for

2019
02:10:33,900 --> 02:10:36,990
giving me some street cred with
my nieces and nephews. That's

2020
02:10:36,990 --> 02:10:37,350
right.

2021
02:10:38,430 --> 02:10:39,900
Okay, you wipe my rabbit clean.

2022
02:10:41,730 --> 02:10:44,190
Look, that's the job that the
governor could do. But you know,

2023
02:10:44,430 --> 02:10:47,100
we'll have to think about that
later. But for right now we can

2024
02:10:47,100 --> 02:10:50,040
at least make sure that everyone
shows up to vote. So we have two

2025
02:10:50,040 --> 02:10:53,010
senators to make sure we have
COVID response and we've got

2026
02:10:53,010 --> 02:10:55,920
stimulus money coming back to
Georgia. They're right. That's

2027
02:10:55,920 --> 02:10:58,770
right. We got baby, let's get a
ga you know, we go stand up for

2028
02:10:58,770 --> 02:11:02,130
you. Thank you. Well, I just
wanted to say thank you to both

2029
02:11:02,130 --> 02:11:04,980
of you, especially for the work
you've done to encourage

2030
02:11:06,270 --> 02:11:09,240
folks who are coming back
returning citizens, they have

2031
02:11:09,240 --> 02:11:11,400
the right to vote, I've got a
younger brother who's been in

2032
02:11:11,400 --> 02:11:14,460
and out of the system. And I
know redemption is real. And I

2033
02:11:14,460 --> 02:11:17,370
know that the voices that these
men and women can bring to our

2034
02:11:17,370 --> 02:11:20,400
state matter and so thank you
for the work you've done. No

2035
02:11:20,400 --> 02:11:27,240
question. Laura Stacy. Oh, boy.
Well, that's that ruins the

2036
02:11:27,240 --> 02:11:32,310
event. When I saw that, yeah, it
got to be a show. Yeah, you

2037
02:11:32,310 --> 02:11:35,700
gotta be a show what was going
on right now? Do you think Stacy

2038
02:11:35,700 --> 02:11:37,020
talks like that all the time?

2039
02:11:40,110 --> 02:11:45,780
Maybe I wonder maybe I'm not
sure. I can't I can't call that

2040
02:11:45,780 --> 02:11:48,480
could not be I mean, I'm more
street than she is. I mean,

2041
02:11:48,480 --> 02:11:51,990
she's Council on Foreign
Relations. This is crazy. Oh no,

2042
02:11:51,990 --> 02:11:56,640
she's that that's the that's the
real guys. Right? That's the

2043
02:11:56,640 --> 02:12:00,870
real calling and just to say
good works on her way to go by

2044
02:12:01,680 --> 02:12:04,020
Kikuyu that keep them keep them
keep moving.

2045
02:12:06,240 --> 02:12:09,780
No, but that when I saw that I
was like and then Gucci man.

2046
02:12:09,960 --> 02:12:12,660
Hey, can you get my record
clean? Yes. Because I don't

2047
02:12:12,660 --> 02:12:16,740
think he was in on it. Uh, he
wasn't read into what was going

2048
02:12:16,740 --> 02:12:20,700
on? No, cuz and but I want to
point out another thing.

2049
02:12:22,500 --> 02:12:27,720
Notice how they refer to her.
Gucci Mane says Miss Stacy, as

2050
02:12:27,720 --> 02:12:31,830
more like a formal thing. She's
he says, Hey Stacy, right?

2051
02:12:33,360 --> 02:12:36,180
That's a little too familiar for
me. Mm

2052
02:12:37,500 --> 02:12:39,120
hmm. Good catch.

2053
02:12:40,230 --> 02:12:43,440
These are the kind of things I'm
like, oh, Cassie, where this is

2054
02:12:43,440 --> 02:12:47,490
going. And it was Jeezy that was
the one that was invited to be

2055
02:12:47,490 --> 02:12:51,870
at vs and then he picked Gucci
Mane to be his co star right.

2056
02:12:52,140 --> 02:12:55,230
But when I saw that I was like
all captive audience to me and

2057
02:12:55,230 --> 02:12:59,490
people beauty shoot comes right
in. Don't forget to vote now.

2058
02:12:59,520 --> 02:13:02,130
Let me know about your record
going to incarnate about

2059
02:13:02,130 --> 02:13:03,030
cleaning that up. But

2060
02:13:05,160 --> 02:13:07,950
yeah, go vote now. Maybe we'll
see another time.

2061
02:13:11,040 --> 02:13:16,650
Man, amazing. So and so this
thing. I was like, Okay, this

2062
02:13:16,650 --> 02:13:21,390
thing was so widespread that
eaters showed up on the um, I

2063
02:13:21,390 --> 02:13:28,710
forget her name. A lady on
Sirius radio. Oh, Karen Hunter

2064
02:13:28,710 --> 02:13:32,910
Hunter, Karen Hunter. He shows
up. She covered it on her show

2065
02:13:32,910 --> 02:13:34,110
Gucci man Gz.

2066
02:13:36,300 --> 02:13:36,690
And

2067
02:13:37,890 --> 02:13:42,690
is weird seeing you in the vs
with Jeezy and gucci mane of the

2068
02:13:42,690 --> 02:13:45,870
night? I just I just want to
just yeah.

2069
02:13:47,340 --> 02:13:51,270
I was like, that's the car in
the exact Stacey Abrams popping

2070
02:13:51,270 --> 02:13:53,160
into it to a strip club.

2071
02:13:54,570 --> 02:13:55,110
She popped.

2072
02:13:56,940 --> 02:14:00,210
What does that say about our
culture that could be a sitting

2073
02:14:00,210 --> 02:14:03,450
governor could be a sitting
president could pop into a Gucci

2074
02:14:03,450 --> 02:14:09,690
Mane versus a Gz. very tense.
And what most tense versus is is

2075
02:14:11,250 --> 02:14:13,050
what what brought you to the
table?

2076
02:14:14,280 --> 02:14:17,730
The only thing that would bring
me to take would be the young

2077
02:14:17,730 --> 02:14:22,080
people. Chair. That's not the
car, the young people. That's

2078
02:14:22,110 --> 02:14:24,900
all they were that the young
voters. Let me say it for him.

2079
02:14:25,440 --> 02:14:30,240
That's their only concern. How
can we manipulate these voters

2080
02:14:30,810 --> 02:14:32,730
to make it seem like we're there
for them?

2081
02:14:34,350 --> 02:14:38,010
Yeah. And now I'm going to go
out on a limb here like this,

2082
02:14:38,010 --> 02:14:38,970
and this is what I do.

2083
02:14:41,850 --> 02:14:43,110
Ti is done.

2084
02:14:44,520 --> 02:14:47,670
You know, the Democratic Party
was trying to use him right. But

2085
02:14:47,670 --> 02:14:50,850
he has so much stuff going on
and he had made so many

2086
02:14:50,850 --> 02:14:53,640
missteps, that they need a new

2087
02:14:55,080 --> 02:14:57,930
track representative for the
Democratic Party

2088
02:14:59,070 --> 02:14:59,970
and steps Jesus

2089
02:15:00,570 --> 02:15:03,900
He's the new representative. And
that's why they were grooming

2090
02:15:03,900 --> 02:15:07,590
him. You remember that picture
with him and Joe Biden when Joe

2091
02:15:07,590 --> 02:15:08,190
Baez?

2092
02:15:09,330 --> 02:15:13,020
Yeah. What was the response to
that? Did people say what the

2093
02:15:13,020 --> 02:15:17,670
hell or was that? Oh, they said
what the hell but it wasn't

2094
02:15:17,670 --> 02:15:21,630
amplified, though. As if, when
little Wayne went to go talk to

2095
02:15:21,630 --> 02:15:24,810
Trump because he's talking to a
Democrat. That's completely

2096
02:15:24,810 --> 02:15:25,350
acceptable.

2097
02:15:27,450 --> 02:15:28,500
Even though you know,

2098
02:15:29,700 --> 02:15:34,020
okay, I won't spoil it. But
yeah, so, uh, so you have this

2099
02:15:34,080 --> 02:15:40,170
you have Gz and I feel like
they're, they're there. He's now

2100
02:15:40,170 --> 02:15:45,450
going by. I think it's a J.
Jenkins, J Gz. Jenkins he's

2101
02:15:45,450 --> 02:15:49,410
going to his kids going to do is
Todd Smith face the same thing

2102
02:15:49,440 --> 02:15:52,410
LL Cool J went through so when
you start getting called by your

2103
02:15:52,710 --> 02:15:58,170
government name, that's you're
distancing yourself from your a

2104
02:15:58,560 --> 02:15:59,460
celebrity.

2105
02:16:00,570 --> 02:16:04,500
Or how you came into the, to the
to the game. So yeah, that's

2106
02:16:04,500 --> 02:16:07,410
what they're all about is the
votes. And that's why me so

2107
02:16:07,410 --> 02:16:07,860
much.

2108
02:16:09,210 --> 02:16:12,240
So much for so much for this Oh,
organic spur of the moment,

2109
02:16:12,240 --> 02:16:16,140
things seems pretty, pretty
premeditated, to some degree.

2110
02:16:17,130 --> 02:16:22,650
very abrupt. Very premeditated.
So now we have post Jeezy posted

2111
02:16:22,650 --> 02:16:25,320
verses and he goes on I think is

2112
02:16:26,820 --> 02:16:32,220
hot 97. That's what Ebro when
Rosenberg, the guy that just is

2113
02:16:33,480 --> 02:16:36,540
irks me. So he's talking to them
about?

2114
02:16:38,160 --> 02:16:41,370
versus, can I want to, I want to
ask you about something that

2115
02:16:41,370 --> 02:16:44,190
made me feel really good a few
weeks ago, can you tell us about

2116
02:16:44,190 --> 02:16:47,430
my favorite picture of the of
the last month or two? Was you

2117
02:16:47,430 --> 02:16:51,150
in conversation with Joe Biden?
Can you tell us about your

2118
02:16:51,150 --> 02:16:53,940
conversations with Joe Biden and
then how you and your family

2119
02:16:53,940 --> 02:16:55,410
took in the election as well.

2120
02:16:56,610 --> 02:16:58,830
The conversation with Joe Biden
was

2121
02:17:00,270 --> 02:17:03,450
you know, I was I was owning, I
was excellent, because I want to

2122
02:17:03,450 --> 02:17:04,980
see if he really understood

2123
02:17:06,030 --> 02:17:09,540
his position. He was honest, um,
what I did,

2124
02:17:10,680 --> 02:17:14,400
you know, I kind of really
appreciate the fact that Kamala

2125
02:17:14,460 --> 02:17:18,750
Harris is, you know, almost like
his work wife, because I feel

2126
02:17:18,750 --> 02:17:22,500
like close to the culture to
actually understand the thing

2127
02:17:22,500 --> 02:17:25,320
about is everybody like, how can
you support them the drug laws

2128
02:17:25,320 --> 02:17:27,510
and dessert and what they did
and people and I'm just like,

2129
02:17:27,510 --> 02:17:31,950
Yo, man, I'm not saying it's the
end all be all. And I never said

2130
02:17:31,950 --> 02:17:36,330
that. I'm more. And I'm going to
ask you a question. Now, Paul,

2131
02:17:36,360 --> 02:17:41,670
I'm I'm more I'm You mean,
Peter? Getting one? So you

2132
02:17:41,670 --> 02:17:42,930
worked at Def Jam full on

2133
02:17:44,070 --> 02:17:45,870
my Rosenberg's? Yeah.

2134
02:17:47,040 --> 02:17:52,530
But I'm Rosenberg's? Yep. I'm
more happy to see my coaches see

2135
02:17:52,530 --> 02:17:57,210
that. Every little bit counted.
And then we made a difference

2136
02:17:57,270 --> 02:18:01,470
together. Like we got out here
and got people to vote in

2137
02:18:01,470 --> 02:18:06,060
Georgia changed to blue. And I
was just happy to see it because

2138
02:18:06,060 --> 02:18:08,490
it was so many people. I was
like, yo, we got to vote we got

2139
02:18:08,490 --> 02:18:11,520
to vote is like my vote on
count. Why would I waste my

2140
02:18:11,520 --> 02:18:16,050
time? And just to see that, you
know, it made me feel good. And

2141
02:18:16,050 --> 02:18:19,170
then back to the Joe Biden
thing. I was really just acting

2142
02:18:19,170 --> 02:18:21,660
real courses. And I want my
people to know like, sometimes

2143
02:18:21,660 --> 02:18:25,800
you really just got to be at the
table. Oh, man. Okay, meme after

2144
02:18:25,800 --> 02:18:27,630
meme in this one. First.

2145
02:18:29,010 --> 02:18:32,490
Rosenberg All right, nice,
smelly, anti semitic reference.

2146
02:18:32,940 --> 02:18:35,490
But also who, who posed the
question.

2147
02:18:37,380 --> 02:18:42,000
Was Rosenberg was Rosenberg
correct? Yeah. Then

2148
02:18:43,170 --> 02:18:44,700
he talked about his coaches.

2149
02:18:45,870 --> 02:18:49,410
So that was interesting. So
whoever said coaches he wanted

2150
02:18:49,410 --> 02:18:52,470
to show the coaches what he
could do. He thought he said the

2151
02:18:52,470 --> 02:18:55,980
culture I thought he said
coaches Oh, the closure. Now he

2152
02:18:55,980 --> 02:18:59,670
said that culture now then.
Culture now? Oh, yes. Well, of

2153
02:18:59,670 --> 02:19:00,630
course he does.

2154
02:19:01,710 --> 02:19:02,640
He and Stacy

2155
02:19:04,290 --> 02:19:04,950
represented

2156
02:19:06,510 --> 02:19:11,730
and Camila Jo's work wife. Oh,
man. Yeah. He really had amazed

2157
02:19:11,730 --> 02:19:14,640
that. I mean, it's that's not
acceptable. What he said, no

2158
02:19:14,640 --> 02:19:17,760
one. No one buys that crap.

2159
02:19:18,930 --> 02:19:22,350
Not at all. And the other thing
is, he says that he had a lot of

2160
02:19:22,350 --> 02:19:26,160
questions for Joe in the sea of
giocare. And he kind of poopoo

2161
02:19:26,160 --> 02:19:27,000
this and he didn't

2162
02:19:28,770 --> 02:19:29,310
you know, those

2163
02:19:30,780 --> 02:19:33,630
black man, innocent black man,
you know, you know, not like

2164
02:19:33,630 --> 02:19:36,240
that. But I had real question
for Joe like, Am I black? Vote

2165
02:19:36,240 --> 02:19:40,590
for you? Yeah, he went mad. He
went up there. She showed us

2166
02:19:40,590 --> 02:19:43,110
culture card and said this is
who I am. You know me I

2167
02:19:43,110 --> 02:19:46,020
represent the culture. Let me
just check. check you out, man.

2168
02:19:46,020 --> 02:19:50,250
So it was kind of an approval.
And then the last talking point

2169
02:19:50,250 --> 02:19:53,070
was we need to be at the table
table. Yeah. Oh, that was good.

2170
02:19:53,640 --> 02:19:57,750
The table. So that leads me into
the bob Wilson clip that you

2171
02:19:57,750 --> 02:19:59,400
snagged and shared with me.

2172
02:20:00,000 --> 02:20:03,720
These, these leaders, first of
all, you cannot generalize about

2173
02:20:03,720 --> 02:20:06,060
the black community any more any
other people, we are not

2174
02:20:06,060 --> 02:20:10,080
monolithic. We have a difference
in education difference in

2175
02:20:10,080 --> 02:20:15,450
income. And when it's
convenient, we generalize the

2176
02:20:15,450 --> 02:20:19,350
black community. And we use the
demographics of those who are

2177
02:20:19,350 --> 02:20:23,370
living in the most troubling
situations, we use the

2178
02:20:23,370 --> 02:20:28,020
demographics of, of
incarceration, of low income,

2179
02:20:28,500 --> 02:20:34,770
housing, we use that demographic
information to make a case that

2180
02:20:34,770 --> 02:20:40,050
All Blacks are suffering. And
then when the money arise, it

2181
02:20:40,050 --> 02:20:44,040
goes not to the people suffering
the problem. But those who are

2182
02:20:44,040 --> 02:20:47,880
providing service. For instance,
in the last 50 years, the

2183
02:20:47,880 --> 02:20:52,290
government's had $22 trillion in
programs to aid the poor 70

2184
02:20:52,290 --> 02:20:55,800
cents of all those dollar go not
to the poor, but those who serve

2185
02:20:55,800 --> 02:20:58,590
poor people, they asked not
which problems are solvable,

2186
02:20:58,620 --> 02:21:01,380
which ones are fundable. Then
you have black elected

2187
02:21:01,380 --> 02:21:03,720
officials, many of them are
veterans of the civil rights

2188
02:21:03,720 --> 02:21:07,830
movement, who then came into
political office, they were the

2189
02:21:07,830 --> 02:21:11,880
ones who were dispensing those
funds. And listen to this, two

2190
02:21:11,880 --> 02:21:16,110
out of 10 whites who, with
college degrees works for

2191
02:21:16,110 --> 02:21:19,920
government, six out of 10
blacks, with college education

2192
02:21:19,920 --> 02:21:24,360
works for government, which
means that the vast amount of

2193
02:21:24,360 --> 02:21:28,410
money that has been spent on the
poor that has produced and

2194
02:21:28,410 --> 02:21:34,140
reinforced dependency have been
administered by a lot of middle

2195
02:21:34,140 --> 02:21:35,700
class blacks.

2196
02:21:36,720 --> 02:21:40,890
That's your systemic racism
right there. And can you point

2197
02:21:40,890 --> 02:21:44,670
out something speaking of
synchronicity, look at the title

2198
02:21:44,670 --> 02:21:45,450
of that clip.

2199
02:21:47,040 --> 02:21:47,580
Yeah.

2200
02:21:48,900 --> 02:21:53,850
at Atlanta leaders, abuse of
demographics hidden. Atlanta

2201
02:21:53,850 --> 02:21:55,020
leaders, holy crap.

2202
02:21:56,250 --> 02:21:59,580
I wanted to identify something
that I'm sure is just from, from

2203
02:21:59,580 --> 02:22:03,210
my perspective, the term
culture, I'm seeing it pop up in

2204
02:22:03,210 --> 02:22:08,310
advertising. It meant meant as
the code I mean, I know, I know,

2205
02:22:08,310 --> 02:22:11,400
like, Oh, hello, I'm just seeing
it. But I've noticed it the

2206
02:22:11,400 --> 02:22:15,120
past, I don't know, past month
or so I've just seen this term

2207
02:22:15,300 --> 02:22:17,700
culture pop up in advertising.

2208
02:22:18,810 --> 02:22:21,360
Yeah, do it for the culture.
stuff. Like that's, that's,

2209
02:22:21,540 --> 02:22:24,660
that's the quotable, that's the
hip hop quotable. from Jay Z.

2210
02:22:25,680 --> 02:22:29,100
I did it for the culture. I
mean, like I said, these things

2211
02:22:29,100 --> 02:22:33,930
when, when these quotables Take
Take care, they're powerful.

2212
02:22:35,130 --> 02:22:40,560
They go for generations. So So
we have, so that's what Jesus

2213
02:22:40,560 --> 02:22:44,280
has fallen into. He's falling
into that group, just by

2214
02:22:44,280 --> 02:22:48,660
perspective of he's gonna say
that they tried to use ti for

2215
02:22:48,660 --> 02:22:53,970
this. And like I said, ti has so
many other things going on. That

2216
02:22:53,970 --> 02:22:56,760
ruin that kind of ruin his
chances of being that

2217
02:22:57,810 --> 02:23:01,950
hip hop political leader. So now
I think they're grooming Jeezy.

2218
02:23:02,460 --> 02:23:07,020
And excuse me, Jay Jenkins, let
me let me get it. Right. Right.

2219
02:23:07,800 --> 02:23:13,260
Yeah. And he's married to a
Asian lady from the view, which

2220
02:23:13,260 --> 02:23:17,700
I think was a power move planet.
Lady from that view, but the

2221
02:23:17,700 --> 02:23:18,450
real the real

2222
02:23:19,530 --> 02:23:24,300
is gonna say okay, ah, power
couple. Yeah, so they've tried

2223
02:23:24,300 --> 02:23:28,020
to make a political power
couple, I believe. Um, so just

2224
02:23:28,020 --> 02:23:32,010
just keep on so now he's got a
follow up. gz. So I mean,

2225
02:23:33,540 --> 02:23:37,260
I saw and then and just icing on
the cake. He came out with a

2226
02:23:37,260 --> 02:23:41,760
diss song right after this, this
thing. Little Wayne and 50

2227
02:23:41,760 --> 02:23:46,500
cents. Oh, but Trump goes yeah,
Gee, I wonder I wonder why.

2228
02:23:50,040 --> 02:23:55,140
So, how sick, sick is that? I
didn't realize that.

2229
02:23:56,250 --> 02:24:00,510
That's just nuts. Yeah, none of
this is by happenstance. Oh, no,

2230
02:24:00,510 --> 02:24:04,800
no, it's not. Now you understand
why I laid out the trap and the

2231
02:24:04,800 --> 02:24:08,880
trap. Yeah, it wasn't about the
verses. It's about the two

2232
02:24:09,060 --> 02:24:13,860
trajectories that these stars
these celebrities own. So now

2233
02:24:13,860 --> 02:24:17,760
that's where Jeezy is headed, in
my opinion. And now this is

2234
02:24:17,790 --> 02:24:22,800
Gucci man. And he is a this is a
conversation he had with

2235
02:24:23,580 --> 02:24:27,060
Charlemagne about his
transformation. Yeah, I was

2236
02:24:27,060 --> 02:24:28,800
telling you, man, when I read
your story, it's like the

2237
02:24:28,800 --> 02:24:32,940
evolution of Malcolm X and a lot
of ways you did it all. But you

2238
02:24:33,060 --> 02:24:33,660
must mean

2239
02:24:34,890 --> 02:24:39,120
I went out. Well, you know, I
can't say I'm as disciplined as

2240
02:24:39,120 --> 02:24:42,060
Malcolm X. But I do I read that
book does one of my favorite

2241
02:24:42,060 --> 02:24:44,760
autobiographies and it
definitely inspired me because I

2242
02:24:44,760 --> 02:24:48,000
read when I was in prison and I
damn from you sound like he

2243
02:24:48,180 --> 02:24:50,760
couldn't really really good he
opened up the dictionary to a

2244
02:24:50,760 --> 02:24:53,550
and just start reading it in our
stuff. He was going through in

2245
02:24:53,550 --> 02:24:57,870
prison and you know to do he had
and now like, given them gang. A

2246
02:24:57,870 --> 02:25:00,000
lot of things he went through. I
feel like you know, I share some

2247
02:25:00,000 --> 02:25:02,670
Those experiences don't just
walk in prison that made you

2248
02:25:02,670 --> 02:25:06,900
start picking up just books and
reading them. I think it started

2249
02:25:06,900 --> 02:25:10,830
with, like, fear, anxiety,
paranoia from like,

2250
02:25:11,910 --> 02:25:14,760
you know how much time off in
the game. So out of run into

2251
02:25:14,760 --> 02:25:17,220
reading out, I was kind of like
a mouth trying to find some

2252
02:25:17,220 --> 02:25:20,520
solace in, you know, this shows
a lot of pressure on me is like,

2253
02:25:20,550 --> 02:25:23,880
I run up and down the stairs, I
read a book, I try and do

2254
02:25:23,880 --> 02:25:27,570
anything to get my mind off
from, you know, feeling like I

2255
02:25:27,570 --> 02:25:29,580
know the future because the
future seemed like it was going

2256
02:25:29,580 --> 02:25:32,400
to be bad, you know. So I just
kind of like focus on what I

2257
02:25:32,400 --> 02:25:35,400
could do now. They'll kind of
give me a little piece thing

2258
02:25:35,400 --> 02:25:38,400
feel about it. And now you feel
like I have a set of rules I had

2259
02:25:38,400 --> 02:25:41,640
to live by. If you do this to
me, I do this to you. If you say

2260
02:25:41,640 --> 02:25:45,330
this to me, I do. So as always,
I'm justified. You snitch on me,

2261
02:25:45,330 --> 02:25:47,820
I push to hurt you. You steal
some from me, I'm supposed to

2262
02:25:47,820 --> 02:25:51,150
come to your house. And you hit
me up with teach you but you

2263
02:25:51,150 --> 02:25:53,640
know. And then it gets to the
point where you start like,

2264
02:25:53,640 --> 02:25:57,030
well, she, I'm already into it,
which I will going I'll finish

2265
02:25:57,030 --> 02:26:00,210
while I'm waiting for you to hit
me for so it is just a terrible

2266
02:26:00,210 --> 02:26:02,730
place to be. A lot of that is
great rules, though. Yeah, don't

2267
02:26:02,730 --> 02:26:05,550
say this, that I had a set of
rules like that I like follow to

2268
02:26:05,550 --> 02:26:09,300
the tee. But I made myself
follow these rules. I nobody say

2269
02:26:09,300 --> 02:26:12,240
this, what you got to do these
what I feel like this house is

2270
02:26:12,240 --> 02:26:14,400
the person I want to be this
what I want to be held to the

2271
02:26:14,400 --> 02:26:17,820
standard. I'm going to start at
the end and work my way back.

2272
02:26:18,300 --> 02:26:21,750
When he went to jail for the
last time he made a total

2273
02:26:21,750 --> 02:26:25,980
transformation. Physically. I
mean, when he went in, I think

2274
02:26:25,980 --> 02:26:30,960
he was saying he was like 85
pounds overweight, addicted to

2275
02:26:30,960 --> 02:26:32,460
lean. Oh,

2276
02:26:33,990 --> 02:26:38,730
yeah, no, no, no, he was
addicted. I'm listening. Yeah,

2277
02:26:38,730 --> 02:26:44,730
he was addicted to lean and
unhealthy mentally. And he

2278
02:26:44,760 --> 02:26:50,430
changed himself. And he blamed
nobody for he was like, I was

2279
02:26:50,430 --> 02:26:54,090
like this, I live these rules
and the rules he laid out the

2280
02:26:54,090 --> 02:26:57,570
street rules is that mine trap.
And he explained,

2281
02:26:58,650 --> 02:27:01,320
I felt if you did this to me, I
need to do this to you. Right?

2282
02:27:02,640 --> 02:27:07,290
To practice about it, you know,
preemptive strikes. So

2283
02:27:09,030 --> 02:27:13,620
but when he went in, he transfer
on did this transformation

2284
02:27:13,620 --> 02:27:17,190
similar to what Malcolm X did.
And I'm not saying he's the next

2285
02:27:17,190 --> 02:27:19,920
Malcolm, that's not what I'm
saying. What I'm saying is, you

2286
02:27:19,920 --> 02:27:22,440
look at these two men,

2287
02:27:23,490 --> 02:27:28,260
and the path they're taking
Warren is saying, uh, you know,

2288
02:27:28,620 --> 02:27:31,650
going through the politics,
which Jesus laid out the point,

2289
02:27:31,650 --> 02:27:34,350
he's always been corporate
minded, being part of the

2290
02:27:34,350 --> 02:27:38,130
structure the apparatus, and you
have this guy, Gucci man was

2291
02:27:38,790 --> 02:27:42,960
independent, this kind of thing.
And then he goes in, and he does

2292
02:27:42,960 --> 02:27:47,700
his complete 180. To the point
where he comes out and shape on

2293
02:27:47,700 --> 02:27:53,550
top of his business, I mean,
complete, utter change. And it

2294
02:27:53,550 --> 02:27:55,680
was, he changed himself.

2295
02:27:57,360 --> 02:28:02,940
And if I had to choose a path
for so called black man, it's

2296
02:28:03,180 --> 02:28:08,970
changed yourself. I'm going with
the Gucci Gucci man message of

2297
02:28:09,270 --> 02:28:14,160
don't wait for somebody to
change you change yourself, um,

2298
02:28:14,820 --> 02:28:18,870
be reflected on what things that
don't work for you. And that's

2299
02:28:18,870 --> 02:28:21,780
why that's why I'm just, I
wanted to lay that out. So you

2300
02:28:21,780 --> 02:28:27,060
probably wondering why somebody
like Stacey Abrams, and a Dr.

2301
02:28:27,060 --> 02:28:32,040
Carr and Karen Hunter, and all
these people are, are

2302
02:28:34,140 --> 02:28:38,460
wanting the influence of these
celebrities? Well, not only

2303
02:28:38,610 --> 02:28:42,600
they're not celebrities, they're
street celebrities. I have the

2304
02:28:42,600 --> 02:28:45,540
answer for you. Okay, you want
to say something before we ask

2305
02:28:45,540 --> 02:28:48,420
any questions before we go? I
know I said a lot with Well,

2306
02:28:50,190 --> 02:28:54,570
I mean, why? And that was kind
of obvious. They they want to, I

2307
02:28:54,570 --> 02:28:54,840
mean,

2308
02:28:55,860 --> 02:28:59,040
what I heard Stacy saying was
Indiana encouraged you to vote.

2309
02:29:00,000 --> 02:29:03,540
So you'd think that but I have a
feeling it's bigger, maybe

2310
02:29:03,540 --> 02:29:08,880
deeper. It is deeper 29. I knew
that the great lack of most of

2311
02:29:08,880 --> 02:29:12,570
the big name Negro leaders was
their lack of any true rapport

2312
02:29:12,990 --> 02:29:16,440
with the ghetto negros. How
could they have rapport when

2313
02:29:16,440 --> 02:29:20,430
they spend most of their time
integrating with white people? I

2314
02:29:20,430 --> 02:29:23,940
knew that the ghetto people knew
that I never left the ghetto in

2315
02:29:23,940 --> 02:29:26,610
spirit, and I never lived it
physically any more than I had

2316
02:29:26,610 --> 02:29:26,940
to.

2317
02:29:28,080 --> 02:29:31,860
I had a ghetto instinct. For
instance, I could feel the

2318
02:29:31,890 --> 02:29:34,770
tension was beyond normal in the
ghetto audience, and I could

2319
02:29:34,770 --> 02:29:38,220
speak and understand the ghettos
language. There was an example

2320
02:29:38,220 --> 02:29:40,800
of this that always flew into my
mind every time I heard some of

2321
02:29:40,800 --> 02:29:43,830
the big name Negro leaders
declaring they spoke for the

2322
02:29:43,830 --> 02:29:47,490
ghetto black people. After a
Harlem street rally one of these

2323
02:29:47,490 --> 02:29:50,850
downtown leaders and our ghetto
hustler is forever frustrated,

2324
02:29:50,850 --> 02:29:54,990
restless and anxious for some
action to talk over the ABC, CBS

2325
02:29:54,990 --> 02:29:58,800
or NBC microphones at Harvard or
Tuskegee, I could talk with the

2326
02:29:58,800 --> 02:29:59,970
so called middle class name

2327
02:30:00,000 --> 02:30:03,210
grew up with the ghetto blacks
from all the other leaders just

2328
02:30:03,210 --> 02:30:06,990
talked about. And because I had
been a hustler, I knew better

2329
02:30:06,990 --> 02:30:09,840
than all whites knew. And better
than nearly all the black

2330
02:30:09,840 --> 02:30:13,080
leaders knew that actually the
most dangerous black man in

2331
02:30:13,080 --> 02:30:15,780
America was the ghetto hustler.

2332
02:30:16,949 --> 02:30:18,209
Why do I say this?

2333
02:30:19,590 --> 02:30:22,350
The hustler out there in the
ghetto jungles has less respect

2334
02:30:22,350 --> 02:30:24,690
for the white power structure
than any other Negro in North

2335
02:30:24,690 --> 02:30:28,410
America. The ghetto hustler is
internally restrained by

2336
02:30:28,410 --> 02:30:31,830
nothing. He has no religion, no
concept of morality, no civic

2337
02:30:31,830 --> 02:30:36,390
responsibility, no fear,
nothing. So this is why they're

2338
02:30:36,390 --> 02:30:41,820
clamoring for the support of
street celebrities, right?

2339
02:30:42,840 --> 02:30:47,190
Because if they ever can change
their mind, like malcolm x, d,

2340
02:30:47,790 --> 02:30:50,820
you got it, you got to remember
Malcolm X wasn't Malcolm X, but

2341
02:30:50,820 --> 02:30:54,750
for a very small portion of his
life. In that small town, the

2342
02:30:54,750 --> 02:30:59,760
potency is kind of a control
thing. When they have to control

2343
02:30:59,760 --> 02:31:03,450
the minds of the street people,
because they realize

2344
02:31:04,800 --> 02:31:07,770
that they can change their mind,
then they come off the

2345
02:31:07,770 --> 02:31:13,170
plantation. Right? So okay, so.
So it sounds like there's not

2346
02:31:13,170 --> 02:31:17,820
necessarily good things in store
for gucci mane. If he pushes the

2347
02:31:17,880 --> 02:31:20,700
envelope too far, I don't like
to put that kind of negativity

2348
02:31:20,730 --> 02:31:21,420
out there.

2349
02:31:22,710 --> 02:31:27,390
But if you start changing
people's mind too fast, you've

2350
02:31:27,390 --> 02:31:29,640
seen it happen over the course
of this show, you see what

2351
02:31:29,640 --> 02:31:31,140
happens? Exactly.

2352
02:31:32,430 --> 02:31:36,480
Are you? Yeah, they come, they
come for your, um,

2353
02:31:37,560 --> 02:31:41,430
your image first. And if they
can't get your image, and that's

2354
02:31:41,430 --> 02:31:43,440
the thing they could that's the
problem with Malcolm X, because

2355
02:31:43,470 --> 02:31:47,220
all his stuff was out there. All
his previous life was out there.

2356
02:31:47,550 --> 02:31:50,190
Oh, if you want to juxtapose
that, to, like, Martin Luther

2357
02:31:50,190 --> 02:31:54,990
King, right, his image could be
damaged by whatever secrets he

2358
02:31:54,990 --> 02:31:56,670
had or supposedly had.

2359
02:31:58,110 --> 02:32:02,430
Then it goes to, you know, it's
like the silver or the lead kind

2360
02:32:02,430 --> 02:32:05,670
of thing. First day BRAVIA with
silver and if they can't change

2361
02:32:05,670 --> 02:32:09,120
your mind and a little Labs is
the option.

2362
02:32:10,200 --> 02:32:12,510
But I don't want to put that out
there. But I just want to show

2363
02:32:12,510 --> 02:32:15,270
you what is this is why

2364
02:32:16,470 --> 02:32:17,760
the inner city,

2365
02:32:19,080 --> 02:32:20,160
black man,

2366
02:32:22,050 --> 02:32:23,040
or the

2367
02:32:25,980 --> 02:32:29,700
want to say interceding I want
to say something. It's something

2368
02:32:29,700 --> 02:32:33,690
about a person that says, you
know, what, I know the risk of

2369
02:32:34,080 --> 02:32:41,130
doing a said activity. But I am
going to take my own life in my

2370
02:32:41,160 --> 02:32:44,760
own hands because I can't live
in squalor. Sure, and I can't

2371
02:32:44,760 --> 02:32:49,230
live in poverty. So now, like
you said, if you could take that

2372
02:32:49,740 --> 02:32:54,840
same mentality, and weaponize it
with actual knowledge, it's very

2373
02:32:54,840 --> 02:33:00,060
dangerous. That's why right now
Malcolm X is way more potent. He

2374
02:33:00,060 --> 02:33:02,340
wasn't reading Martin Luther
King, notice no naka, Martin

2375
02:33:02,340 --> 02:33:04,530
Luther King, but he wasn't
reading Martin Luther King when

2376
02:33:04,530 --> 02:33:05,850
he went to prison, right.

2377
02:33:07,740 --> 02:33:13,710
It's because Malcolm X spoke the
street lingo. And he spoke to

2378
02:33:13,710 --> 02:33:16,350
the street people, and he never
lost that connection. And I

2379
02:33:16,350 --> 02:33:20,310
think Jesus man has the same
potential. Because the young

2380
02:33:20,310 --> 02:33:22,770
kids love him, he still had the
career to this day.

2381
02:33:24,000 --> 02:33:25,470
The young people love him.

2382
02:33:26,490 --> 02:33:30,060
Because he never he that tether
is there, you know, he never

2383
02:33:30,630 --> 02:33:31,680
severed that tether.

2384
02:33:34,980 --> 02:33:40,140
And I know it's a lot to take
in. But no, I'm following along.

2385
02:33:40,290 --> 02:33:43,980
I'm just wondering if we're
gonna get a MLK versus Malcolm X

2386
02:33:43,980 --> 02:33:46,230
type split here. I don't know if
that's in the cards.

2387
02:33:47,490 --> 02:33:50,400
I don't think it's in the cards,
but I'm thinking these are

2388
02:33:50,430 --> 02:33:54,930
representations of these are. I
don't know if icons, the right

2389
02:33:54,930 --> 02:33:58,950
word, but these are
representation of the two kind

2390
02:33:58,950 --> 02:34:03,090
of black men that exists now.
Right. And so clearly, the one

2391
02:34:03,090 --> 02:34:07,230
who goes reforms himself comes
out with a different attitude,

2392
02:34:07,230 --> 02:34:10,710
different message, no longer
mine trapped. Tis a problem for

2393
02:34:10,710 --> 02:34:11,820
Stacey Abrams.

2394
02:34:13,170 --> 02:34:16,530
He's a problem for a lot of
people because you're talking

2395
02:34:16,530 --> 02:34:19,890
about ruining the bottom. Yeah,
we're not just talking about the

2396
02:34:19,890 --> 02:34:23,010
voting habits of people. We're
talking about ruining the

2397
02:34:23,010 --> 02:34:27,510
bottom, which if you destroyed a
foundation of a home, right.

2398
02:34:30,840 --> 02:34:34,200
And I know it's a lot, but I
guess we can go back a minute.

2399
02:34:34,500 --> 02:34:37,320
This is the reading from Malcolm
X's. I didn't say that before.

2400
02:34:37,500 --> 02:34:40,620
This is the reading from The
Autobiography of Malcolm X. I

2401
02:34:40,620 --> 02:34:43,650
guess we by Joe Morton,
misplaced respect his name, and

2402
02:34:43,650 --> 02:34:47,310
let's get into 4.2. To survive.
He is out there constantly

2403
02:34:47,310 --> 02:34:50,580
preying upon others probing for
any human weaknesses like a

2404
02:34:50,580 --> 02:34:54,060
ferret. The ghetto hustler is
forever frustrated, restless and

2405
02:34:54,090 --> 02:34:57,210
anxious for some action.
Whatever he undertakes, he

2406
02:34:57,210 --> 02:34:59,970
commits himself to it fully apps

2407
02:35:00,000 --> 02:35:00,690
lewdly

2408
02:35:01,740 --> 02:35:04,050
what makes the ghetto hustler
yet more dangerous is his

2409
02:35:04,050 --> 02:35:07,680
glamour image to the school
dropout youth in the ghetto.

2410
02:35:08,160 --> 02:35:11,100
These ghetto teenagers see the
hell caught by their parents

2411
02:35:11,100 --> 02:35:13,920
struggling to get some way or
see that they have given up

2412
02:35:13,920 --> 02:35:16,920
struggling in the prejudiced
intolerant white man's world.

2413
02:35:17,250 --> 02:35:20,010
The ghetto teenagers make up
their own minds that they would

2414
02:35:20,010 --> 02:35:23,430
rather be like the hustler, who
they see dressed sharp and

2415
02:35:23,430 --> 02:35:26,040
flashing money and display and
no respect for anybody or

2416
02:35:26,040 --> 02:35:29,610
anything. So the ghetto youth
become attracted to the hustler

2417
02:35:29,610 --> 02:35:33,390
worlds of dope, thievery
prostitution in general crime

2418
02:35:33,390 --> 02:35:38,490
and immorality. Yeah, this guy
Malcolm was perfect. And I'm not

2419
02:35:38,490 --> 02:35:44,130
talking about on the divine
sense. But his understanding of

2420
02:35:45,660 --> 02:35:48,180
the social dynamic

2421
02:35:49,260 --> 02:35:50,310
to be on,

2422
02:35:51,360 --> 02:35:55,350
formally educated. And that's,
that is so many and that's why I

2423
02:35:55,350 --> 02:35:58,290
don't buy it. I gotta say some
because it's what irks me,

2424
02:35:59,340 --> 02:36:02,700
is this thing floating around
this meme of Pookie and Ray Ray.

2425
02:36:03,390 --> 02:36:04,920
And what that is, is like,

2426
02:36:06,060 --> 02:36:10,200
you would consider like a Gucci
man and Jeezy and these guys is

2427
02:36:10,200 --> 02:36:13,050
Pookie and Ray Ray's right.
They're no good. They have no

2428
02:36:13,050 --> 02:36:17,940
value to society. Right? But
bro, the only reason I'm sitting

2429
02:36:17,940 --> 02:36:22,680
here 40 years old. And the you
know, the the biggest success I

2430
02:36:22,680 --> 02:36:25,260
have is my father.

2431
02:36:27,300 --> 02:36:31,410
Is the the P undergird me with a

2432
02:36:33,780 --> 02:36:37,350
confidence. We also didn't enter
safety, a sense of safety, you

2433
02:36:37,350 --> 02:36:40,260
didn't need to go out and find
that male energy.

2434
02:36:42,720 --> 02:36:45,510
And so that's what we're saying.
That's why I play the game clips

2435
02:36:45,510 --> 02:36:49,080
in the small town Pep, because
if you don't have that energy

2436
02:36:49,080 --> 02:36:52,530
inside the home, you'll get it
out. So it's like this guy has

2437
02:36:52,530 --> 02:36:57,090
the money. And he beat the
system. And you know, like,

2438
02:36:57,660 --> 02:37:00,240
here's, here's the everybody
thinks that

2439
02:37:02,220 --> 02:37:05,130
all these rappers are gangsters
and they're this and they're

2440
02:37:05,130 --> 02:37:08,760
that to those kids. They're
Robinhood. Because that's what

2441
02:37:08,760 --> 02:37:11,670
they're selling. I'm not saying
they're actually are. But that's

2442
02:37:11,670 --> 02:37:15,570
what they're selling to the
kids. That were Robin Hood Robin

2443
02:37:15,570 --> 02:37:18,420
from the rich and given to the
poor, which that's not the case,

2444
02:37:18,420 --> 02:37:20,220
because all the resources you're
taking.

2445
02:37:22,380 --> 02:37:23,070
Have this.

2446
02:37:24,360 --> 02:37:29,820
Right. But in the mind chap.
Yep. is he's beating the man.

2447
02:37:29,880 --> 02:37:31,440
He's beating white supremacy.

2448
02:37:33,180 --> 02:37:35,730
You know, because he's, this is
why they're celebrating because

2449
02:37:35,730 --> 02:37:38,220
he's getting paid. Therefore
he's beating the system. He's

2450
02:37:38,220 --> 02:37:39,870
going around it. Yeah.

2451
02:37:41,820 --> 02:37:46,020
And like I said before, about,
as the guy I was talking about,

2452
02:37:46,380 --> 02:37:50,190
that I had close proximity to
when you're buying all the food,

2453
02:37:50,190 --> 02:37:52,950
and you're a kid, you know,
saying, Here's just a couple

2454
02:37:52,950 --> 02:37:56,790
$100 for some gym shoes, or let
me sponsor this, this basketball

2455
02:37:56,790 --> 02:37:59,070
team. It's not all bad.

2456
02:38:00,180 --> 02:38:03,840
I keep saying before El Chapo
was celebrated in his community,

2457
02:38:03,960 --> 02:38:08,340
no matter how much harm and
murder he brought to Mexico, and

2458
02:38:08,340 --> 02:38:12,480
his community, he was
celebrated. Because he took care

2459
02:38:12,480 --> 02:38:16,380
of them. But at a larger level.
That's the same in politics,

2460
02:38:16,380 --> 02:38:19,230
it's the same people are
celebrated because they've done

2461
02:38:19,230 --> 02:38:21,840
such great things. And they can
be incredible gangsters and

2462
02:38:21,840 --> 02:38:24,480
crooks under under the hood.
Many are.

2463
02:38:27,810 --> 02:38:33,150
But if you're secure in the bag,
for your, for your the people

2464
02:38:33,150 --> 02:38:36,420
that support you. It's like
screw the other side. That's why

2465
02:38:36,420 --> 02:38:37,980
politics is very

2466
02:38:40,680 --> 02:38:45,120
similar to street culture and
gang culture. Because this is

2467
02:38:45,120 --> 02:38:48,810
about what can I do for the
people that support me?

2468
02:38:49,860 --> 02:38:53,790
I mean, I know I went a little
farther, but I wanted this

2469
02:38:53,790 --> 02:38:57,750
Pookie and right. It's a lot of
redeemable people, and all walks

2470
02:38:57,750 --> 02:39:01,410
of life. And then there's other
people that we think have made

2471
02:39:01,410 --> 02:39:03,840
it that need to be caught out.
Because if you're trying to use

2472
02:39:03,840 --> 02:39:08,280
your celebrity, just to
subjugate people further. That's

2473
02:39:08,280 --> 02:39:10,950
why I don't have a problem with
anybody I bring up on the show

2474
02:39:10,950 --> 02:39:14,250
personally. But if that's what
you're trying to do, and not

2475
02:39:14,250 --> 02:39:16,380
have people be self reliant, and

2476
02:39:17,640 --> 02:39:22,080
therefore your enemy, your enemy
of the state is not enemy of the

2477
02:39:22,080 --> 02:39:22,680
culture.

2478
02:39:23,820 --> 02:39:26,910
Right? It's not for the not for
the culture, your for your

2479
02:39:26,940 --> 02:39:32,550
benefit. And as Bob Woodson laid
out, so I guess we can also to

2480
02:39:32,550 --> 02:39:35,880
fulfill his own mind trap.
You're in, you're in that trap,

2481
02:39:35,880 --> 02:39:39,360
you're in a loop, you got to
keep going. The trap is on both

2482
02:39:39,360 --> 02:39:39,960
sides.

2483
02:39:41,370 --> 02:39:46,350
And I'm glad you grabbed my
opener home. If you see yourself

2484
02:39:46,350 --> 02:39:50,850
as Robin Hood. It's like oh
yeah, let me go secure this for

2485
02:39:50,850 --> 02:39:56,040
the people and bring it back to
them. by them voting. We can get

2486
02:39:56,040 --> 02:39:59,070
some government programs and
things of that nature. If you

2487
02:39:59,100 --> 02:40:00,000
become self reliant.

2488
02:40:00,000 --> 02:40:04,500
And form your own community and
work inside your own community,

2489
02:40:04,650 --> 02:40:08,340
we can have much more. And if we
realize our power voting and

2490
02:40:08,340 --> 02:40:11,700
spending and even with this,
what were the biggest things I

2491
02:40:11,700 --> 02:40:17,370
celebrate Gucci for his his
physical transformation, because

2492
02:40:17,370 --> 02:40:20,610
this is what really as black
people, at the end of the day,

2493
02:40:20,640 --> 02:40:24,690
one of the biggest problems is
our health is what we consume.

2494
02:40:25,050 --> 02:40:28,170
And you see it play out with
COVID. And we mentioned that

2495
02:40:28,170 --> 02:40:32,430
before so even the changing of
the physical kiss changing of

2496
02:40:32,430 --> 02:40:35,580
his mind has reflected in his
changing of his physical

2497
02:40:35,580 --> 02:40:38,040
appearance now is this Now I'm
not saying like I said, I'm not

2498
02:40:38,070 --> 02:40:40,560
celebrating him as a malcolmus.
I'm not doing that. But all I'm

2499
02:40:40,560 --> 02:40:44,760
saying is progress is progress.
Now he says recognized besides

2500
02:40:44,760 --> 02:40:48,210
you, obviously. But people say
Damn, he got his shit together.

2501
02:40:48,210 --> 02:40:52,590
This is good. This is looking
good. He's this and do people

2502
02:40:52,590 --> 02:40:56,370
see it as a release valve a way
out? It's a possibility. Is that

2503
02:40:56,640 --> 02:40:57,510
recognized?

2504
02:40:58,890 --> 02:41:02,490
Yeah. Ever Charlemagne had to
give him credit. Right? Wow, you

2505
02:41:02,490 --> 02:41:05,940
really turn it around, and he
beat the mind trap. And then my

2506
02:41:05,940 --> 02:41:07,590
trap being I have?

2507
02:41:10,350 --> 02:41:14,790
No, I'll go long winter's day.
But we have to understand this.

2508
02:41:15,330 --> 02:41:18,690
The rules and what we call a
street is really penitentiary

2509
02:41:18,690 --> 02:41:22,350
rules. You look at you lock
people up, they turn into

2510
02:41:22,350 --> 02:41:26,730
animals. And it's, you look to
me the wrong way. And when you

2511
02:41:26,730 --> 02:41:30,330
have people fresh out of being
institutionalized, and bring

2512
02:41:30,330 --> 02:41:33,000
that mentality back to the hood,
it's like you looked at me the

2513
02:41:33,000 --> 02:41:35,580
wrong way. I got it. I got to do
something about that right now.

2514
02:41:35,970 --> 02:41:38,280
And I'm not saying it's like I
said, this is not something I've

2515
02:41:38,280 --> 02:41:41,880
heard or read in a book. people
when they come home from jail,

2516
02:41:41,880 --> 02:41:46,800
they until they get acclimated
back into this society. They

2517
02:41:46,800 --> 02:41:48,480
have a whole different

2518
02:41:49,890 --> 02:41:53,250
Tom they move on. Yeah, well,
that's a whole different

2519
02:41:53,250 --> 02:41:57,900
mentality as as a country, but
it's the same in every country,

2520
02:41:57,900 --> 02:42:01,740
we're very poor at at, at
helping people get back into

2521
02:42:01,740 --> 02:42:04,770
quote, unquote, civilian life,
whether you're coming from the

2522
02:42:04,770 --> 02:42:08,010
military, or whether you're
coming from the penitentiary, it

2523
02:42:08,010 --> 02:42:11,130
doesn't matter. Neither. Neither
one. I mean, I, I know friends

2524
02:42:11,130 --> 02:42:17,070
who've been to penitentiary and
the the process is, and this is

2525
02:42:17,070 --> 02:42:21,030
a white guy for white collar
crime. And in this is, you know,

2526
02:42:21,390 --> 02:42:24,330
good friend of mine, because
he's been out for three years,

2527
02:42:24,330 --> 02:42:28,020
this still can't get his life
really back together. And the

2528
02:42:28,020 --> 02:42:31,080
military is another great
example, because you're

2529
02:42:31,140 --> 02:42:32,910
operating on a different

2530
02:42:34,590 --> 02:42:38,370
wavelength when you're in life
or death situations correct. And

2531
02:42:38,370 --> 02:42:42,570
being institutionalized and
being a military. Well, when I

2532
02:42:42,570 --> 02:42:47,610
say, pot situations during the
military, you don't have time to

2533
02:42:47,610 --> 02:42:51,000
make, I mean, I'm just being,
you know, with family members

2534
02:42:51,000 --> 02:42:56,220
that were in wars, when they
first come home, you can't

2535
02:42:56,670 --> 02:43:00,570
approach them in a certain way.
You can't just starve them in a

2536
02:43:00,570 --> 02:43:01,830
certain way. So

2537
02:43:03,390 --> 02:43:07,170
long winded on that we can go
ahead and jump to 32. It scared

2538
02:43:07,170 --> 02:43:09,570
me the first time I really saw
the danger of these ghetto

2539
02:43:09,570 --> 02:43:13,170
teenagers if they are ever
sparked into violence. One

2540
02:43:13,200 --> 02:43:16,260
sweltering summer afternoon, I
attended a home street rally

2541
02:43:16,260 --> 02:43:19,350
which contained a lot of these
teenagers in the crowd. I had

2542
02:43:19,350 --> 02:43:22,680
been invited by some responsible
Negro leaders who normally never

2543
02:43:22,680 --> 02:43:25,980
spoke to me. I knew they had
just used my name to help them

2544
02:43:25,980 --> 02:43:28,800
draw a crowd. The more I thought
about it on the way there, the

2545
02:43:28,800 --> 02:43:31,620
hotter I got. And when I got on
the stand, I just told the crowd

2546
02:43:31,620 --> 02:43:34,170
in the street that I wasn't
really wanted up there that my

2547
02:43:34,170 --> 02:43:38,040
name had been used, and I walked
off the speakers stand. Well,

2548
02:43:38,430 --> 02:43:42,180
what did I want to do that for?
Those young teenage negros got

2549
02:43:42,210 --> 02:43:45,720
upset and started milling around
and yell and upset and the old

2550
02:43:45,750 --> 02:43:48,600
Negroes in the crowd. The first
thing you know, traffic was

2551
02:43:48,600 --> 02:43:52,140
blocked in four directions by a
crowd whose mood quickly grew so

2552
02:43:52,140 --> 02:43:55,920
ugly, that I really got
apprehensive. I got on top of a

2553
02:43:55,920 --> 02:43:58,860
car and began waving my arms and
yelling at them to quiet down.

2554
02:43:59,040 --> 02:44:03,210
They did quiet. And then I asked
them to disperse. And they did.

2555
02:44:04,200 --> 02:44:07,440
This was when it began being
said that I was America's only

2556
02:44:07,440 --> 02:44:12,030
Negro, who could stop a race
riot cold or start one.

2557
02:44:13,440 --> 02:44:18,390
I don't know if I can do either
one. But I know one thing. It

2558
02:44:18,390 --> 02:44:21,510
had taught me in a very few
minutes to have a whole lot of

2559
02:44:21,510 --> 02:44:24,780
respect for the human combustion
that is packed among the

2560
02:44:24,780 --> 02:44:28,260
hustlers and young admirers who
live in the ghettos with a

2561
02:44:28,260 --> 02:44:32,790
northern white man has sealed
off the Negro away from whites

2562
02:44:33,090 --> 02:44:37,980
for 100 years. Wow, that's cool.
I've not read this

2563
02:44:38,040 --> 02:44:42,300
autobiography, but that moment
of Holy crap, I can do either

2564
02:44:42,300 --> 02:44:46,800
one. I can stop a race right or
I can start one when you when

2565
02:44:46,800 --> 02:44:51,450
you realize that yourself. Wow.
Big power has big power. Yeah,

2566
02:44:51,840 --> 02:44:56,550
power. And we've seen this start
with cold call the third way

2567
02:44:56,550 --> 02:45:00,000
weaponized in this country. So
and

2568
02:45:00,000 --> 02:45:01,110
Just off of

2569
02:45:03,480 --> 02:45:07,980
just off of monetary, I believe
of with the riots and

2570
02:45:07,980 --> 02:45:12,540
everything. You know, like the
first wave is the protesters and

2571
02:45:12,630 --> 02:45:16,800
activists. second wave is the
provocative agent provocateur is

2572
02:45:16,800 --> 02:45:21,030
and then the third wave, if you
could actually control that

2573
02:45:21,030 --> 02:45:21,900
third wave

2574
02:45:22,980 --> 02:45:26,910
control right now it's just a
force, right? But if somebody

2575
02:45:26,940 --> 02:45:29,760
actually channel and control
that's a scary thought. That's a

2576
02:45:29,760 --> 02:45:32,490
scary thought for a lot of
people. Well, it depends if you

2577
02:45:32,490 --> 02:45:36,630
can control the the wave to do
something more positive. That

2578
02:45:36,630 --> 02:45:39,450
would be great. It's still scary
for a lot of people because they

2579
02:45:39,450 --> 02:45:39,750
want

2580
02:45:42,210 --> 02:45:45,060
the mayhem. Yeah, we can't have
that. And now you see the

2581
02:45:45,060 --> 02:45:48,600
problem with Malcolm X. It's
like, Yeah, that's great. You

2582
02:45:48,600 --> 02:45:50,790
can do it. But if we can't
control you and tell you which

2583
02:45:50,790 --> 02:45:52,740
way you got to do it, and you're
no good to us.

2584
02:45:54,090 --> 02:46:00,180
Yes. So that wraps up the second
segment of the show, and we're

2585
02:46:00,180 --> 02:46:03,570
going to thank some people. And
we're going to find out who

2586
02:46:03,570 --> 02:46:07,710
invented making it rain. But
before we do, our producers made

2587
02:46:07,710 --> 02:46:12,150
it rain on us and we love it. We
love it. We love the new money.

2588
02:46:12,480 --> 02:46:14,550
Money. I just I don't want any
money around me. It's not.

2589
02:46:16,140 --> 02:46:19,380
I don't want to have a new one
that are brand new than an old

2590
02:46:19,380 --> 02:46:23,280
20 that's kind of dumb and but
there's some bad new money that

2591
02:46:23,280 --> 02:46:27,240
excites you like $100 bills. I
mean, money to the

2592
02:46:28,890 --> 02:46:31,650
most beautiful thing on earth is
$100. Bill, I haven't seen a

2593
02:46:31,650 --> 02:46:33,030
woman is good looking at $100.

2594
02:46:34,920 --> 02:46:35,220
Bill.

2595
02:46:36,720 --> 02:46:38,880
See, we're no different than
Young Jeezy. we're no different

2596
02:46:38,880 --> 02:46:42,090
than Gucci Mane we love We love
the stacks, the fresh dollar

2597
02:46:42,090 --> 02:46:46,470
bills. It does keep the show
going. And in effect, we're

2598
02:46:46,470 --> 02:46:50,400
selling out of our virtual trunk
here. And the cool thing about

2599
02:46:50,400 --> 02:46:52,350
it is you don't have to dance.

2600
02:46:53,640 --> 02:46:57,720
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check those. Yeah, we was
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people get the right title. So
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As we said, Yes. Did that mean?
This is back to Michael de

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deadbeat me. I've been listening
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out of my late dad shamed me
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And I will always resent him for
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Thank you. But that's that's a
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engineer myself mo admitting to
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Thank you, Paul. elevado pulled
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2672
02:51:16,860 --> 02:51:18,420
Did we say that? I can't
remember

2673
02:51:19,800 --> 02:51:23,790
what I said about me. I mean,
not Donald noon, but a Van

2674
02:51:23,790 --> 02:51:28,650
Jones. Compared to hold my wine
cooler. Watch me cry.

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One of the better ones. Thanks,
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Terry, the human subscription
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standard. And finally Steven
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2682
02:52:02,010 --> 02:52:04,620
all the way at the bottom. I
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2683
02:52:04,620 --> 02:52:07,650
had to send money to Van Jones
this week. So you could buy some

2684
02:52:07,650 --> 02:52:08,310
Kleenex.

2685
02:52:10,740 --> 02:52:15,570
I think brutal. Just brutal.
That was Rebecca. zipper

2686
02:52:15,600 --> 02:52:18,690
assignments. I think you said
Robert, that smile. I'm sorry.

2687
02:52:18,690 --> 02:52:21,090
It was Rebecca. Yes, you're
right. For me. I want you to get

2688
02:52:21,090 --> 02:52:25,980
in trouble there. But this one
quick thing about the crying. I

2689
02:52:25,980 --> 02:52:26,250
know.

2690
02:52:27,960 --> 02:52:33,150
This is specific to the it's
some I struggle with the image

2691
02:52:33,150 --> 02:52:36,960
that black men have. I'm not
saying it's right or wrong. But

2692
02:52:37,230 --> 02:52:37,470
you

2693
02:52:38,850 --> 02:52:43,050
gotta be very careful how you
show weakness. And the thing I

2694
02:52:43,050 --> 02:52:44,640
had with Van Jones was,

2695
02:52:45,690 --> 02:52:50,010
uh, I don't know, it's Who are
you crying for more than that?

2696
02:52:50,070 --> 02:52:53,670
After crying? Well, sure, but I
want to understand something

2697
02:52:53,670 --> 02:52:54,360
that you said.

2698
02:52:55,590 --> 02:52:58,650
You've got to be careful how you
show your weakness as a black

2699
02:52:58,650 --> 02:53:04,050
man. So I am presuming This
means certain weaknesses are

2700
02:53:04,050 --> 02:53:08,490
unacceptable to the culture
frowned upon, why are you not

2701
02:53:08,490 --> 02:53:10,680
allowed to show emotion? What's
the problem?

2702
02:53:12,210 --> 02:53:15,090
Forget the phony emotion, then
obviously, it isn't

2703
02:53:16,170 --> 02:53:19,770
caught yet there's a term called
being food.

2704
02:53:21,150 --> 02:53:21,930
And

2705
02:53:23,910 --> 02:53:24,450
if you

2706
02:53:25,920 --> 02:53:29,310
appear to be weak, or easily

2707
02:53:30,870 --> 02:53:34,920
pushed over, that can be taken
advantage of Now I'm not saying

2708
02:53:34,920 --> 02:53:37,050
that's the right it's kind of
like that mind trap thing that

2709
02:53:37,470 --> 02:53:39,270
Gucci man referring to these
rules

2710
02:53:40,380 --> 02:53:43,800
is heartbreak in your mind. Uh,

2711
02:53:44,910 --> 02:53:48,810
so I'm still struggling with
with myself is just that. Well,

2712
02:53:48,810 --> 02:53:51,810
just a question. Do you think
this is different in any other

2713
02:53:51,810 --> 02:53:53,880
culture? Or any other? I don't
know.

2714
02:53:55,200 --> 02:53:58,800
I can't speak for I mean,
comment. This is just my eye

2715
02:53:58,800 --> 02:54:02,250
because I think it's the same.
From our perspective. Yeah.

2716
02:54:04,620 --> 02:54:09,180
I think in in need, this may be
the difference. If you're doing

2717
02:54:09,180 --> 02:54:10,320
that on television.

2718
02:54:11,430 --> 02:54:15,270
I don't think it matters, who
you are, or what what your

2719
02:54:15,270 --> 02:54:18,870
background is, it will be viewed
in a certain way, depending on

2720
02:54:18,870 --> 02:54:19,620
the topic.

2721
02:54:21,870 --> 02:54:25,380
And I think people when you cry
on television, it's a very

2722
02:54:25,380 --> 02:54:29,250
specific thing. It's something
that we used to be only seen on

2723
02:54:29,250 --> 02:54:31,620
the barbara walters year and
special.

2724
02:54:32,970 --> 02:54:37,110
So in some ways, it's heralded
as oh my gosh, look, he is he's

2725
02:54:37,110 --> 02:54:40,830
sensitive. And I think that's
what happened with Van Jones in

2726
02:54:40,830 --> 02:54:41,610
general.

2727
02:54:42,630 --> 02:54:47,430
To the general population who
watched CNN, I think that was

2728
02:54:47,430 --> 02:54:51,960
seen as a very courageous
courageous thing. Whereas me,

2729
02:54:51,960 --> 02:54:56,460
you everyone else looks at and
go what a bunch of crap. Or what

2730
02:54:56,460 --> 02:54:59,370
are you really crying for van?
I'm just saying I don't know if

2731
02:54:59,370 --> 02:54:59,970
that's it.

2732
02:55:00,000 --> 02:55:02,970
It's no different than white or
black culture to be seen. I

2733
02:55:02,970 --> 02:55:07,410
guess I don't. I don't know. But
it's it's more not like I said

2734
02:55:07,410 --> 02:55:08,490
crying is

2735
02:55:11,130 --> 02:55:11,910
fear.

2736
02:55:13,139 --> 02:55:14,039
I'm

2737
02:55:15,929 --> 02:55:17,219
overly compassionate.

2738
02:55:18,720 --> 02:55:23,370
These things can be used against
you or it's my perception as a

2739
02:55:23,370 --> 02:55:28,320
black man with pips. Well, okay,
it can be used against you as a

2740
02:55:28,980 --> 02:55:33,570
weakness. So may I suggest as a
white man, that you open your

2741
02:55:33,570 --> 02:55:37,440
mind because if controlled
effectively, showing these

2742
02:55:37,440 --> 02:55:40,770
emotions can be a very powerful
tool.

2743
02:55:42,570 --> 02:55:45,210
I'm just saying it's that sounds
like mine trap to me when you

2744
02:55:45,210 --> 02:55:48,150
say was the black man if you
cry, that's bad news. Well,

2745
02:55:48,150 --> 02:55:52,740
maybe that's mine trap, too. It
is. Okay. But But

2746
02:55:56,250 --> 02:55:57,090
my anger?

2747
02:55:58,290 --> 02:56:00,780
Let's just take crying out the
table. Let's look at anger.

2748
02:56:00,810 --> 02:56:03,150
Okay, much better. I agree.
Yeah.

2749
02:56:05,040 --> 02:56:08,160
I made this statement A while
back on a show. I can't remember

2750
02:56:08,250 --> 02:56:11,580
what it was about angry black
there. He, yeah, even the

2751
02:56:11,580 --> 02:56:17,400
appearance of being angry. And I
have people to this day. If I'm

2752
02:56:17,430 --> 02:56:21,420
thinking I scowl. And they'll
say anything I

2753
02:56:26,490 --> 02:56:28,020
was everybody keeps asking me.

2754
02:56:29,400 --> 02:56:32,250
But my wife calls it I got knots
in my head. Right? Because I

2755
02:56:32,250 --> 02:56:35,700
mean, like when I was just
saying, like, you're thinking

2756
02:56:37,620 --> 02:56:41,100
yeah, I'm processing. My
hourglass is turning here. So

2757
02:56:41,100 --> 02:56:45,480
um, but to other people, the
appearance is

2758
02:56:47,760 --> 02:56:52,080
Oh, he might snap. No, at the
moment, he might blow. And I

2759
02:56:52,080 --> 02:56:56,460
think as a black man, since
we're hyper, hyper masculine.

2760
02:56:56,460 --> 02:57:02,700
alized a same different when we
cry. Because, ah, I'm not saying

2761
02:57:02,700 --> 02:57:05,610
it's right or wrong. I'm just
giving a right now. Again,

2762
02:57:05,610 --> 02:57:09,600
analysis of Yeah, so we're
talking about this is a good

2763
02:57:09,630 --> 02:57:13,890
good luck. Give me a kick in the
door, please. Yeah, hold on a

2764
02:57:13,890 --> 02:57:14,220
second.

2765
02:57:17,130 --> 02:57:20,130
Okay, justice. All right. Yeah.
Um,

2766
02:57:21,240 --> 02:57:24,000
when it comes to anger to
emotions in general, but when it

2767
02:57:24,000 --> 02:57:29,070
comes to anger, I would just say
that there's more and more

2768
02:57:29,070 --> 02:57:32,940
examples these days with
lockdowns and other things where

2769
02:57:32,940 --> 02:57:37,560
we see angry black men on
YouTube or Twitter. And they're

2770
02:57:37,560 --> 02:57:42,390
saying stuff. And the angry part
works very effectively. And it's

2771
02:57:42,390 --> 02:57:45,480
not seen as scary. There's a I'm
just talking from a white man's

2772
02:57:45,720 --> 02:57:49,080
perspective. It's like, oh, wow,
someone's really pissed off. And

2773
02:57:49,080 --> 02:57:51,990
they're making a lot of sense.
And and you know, it's very

2774
02:57:51,990 --> 02:57:55,170
attention grabbing, it's a
little different than what

2775
02:57:55,170 --> 02:57:57,570
you're talking about. Because I
can see where that's the thing,

2776
02:57:57,570 --> 02:58:01,020
oh, man, he's like, that guy's
like, he's ready to pop off. But

2777
02:58:01,020 --> 02:58:05,190
when when, when real anger
frustration is showed.

2778
02:58:06,930 --> 02:58:09,510
I think it's very effective
these days, it may be something

2779
02:58:09,510 --> 02:58:12,360
of only just the past a little
bit. Whereas you get an angry

2780
02:58:12,360 --> 02:58:15,390
white man yelling on YouTube.
It's like at what a fool. You

2781
02:58:15,390 --> 02:58:18,090
understand what I'm saying? I
understand what you're saying.

2782
02:58:18,090 --> 02:58:22,050
But let me counter that with
this. This is why brock obama

2783
02:58:22,050 --> 02:58:23,070
couldn't pop off.

2784
02:58:24,990 --> 02:58:31,740
Yes, yeah. He could never pull
what Trump. Now he did cry. Now

2785
02:58:31,740 --> 02:58:34,770
he did it. But that's acceptable
because of his demographic that

2786
02:58:34,770 --> 02:58:40,260
he was trying to reach. So
that's acceptable. But to say

2787
02:58:40,290 --> 02:58:42,210
you're talking to the president
here, don't ever talk to the

2788
02:58:42,210 --> 02:58:46,950
President. Like if he did that?
Oh, hell no. But I mean, so I

2789
02:58:46,950 --> 02:58:48,600
was like, we can have
conversations.

2790
02:58:49,950 --> 02:58:53,070
Well, well, I'm glad. I'm glad
we're talking about this,

2791
02:58:53,070 --> 02:58:55,530
because I'm gonna pay a little
more attention to it and how I

2792
02:58:55,530 --> 02:58:59,070
feel about it, because I think I
think that while I know from

2793
02:58:59,070 --> 02:59:01,350
this show, my attitude has
changed. Like, we've talked

2794
02:59:01,350 --> 02:59:04,440
about this before. We're
actually saw a very angry, angry

2795
02:59:04,440 --> 02:59:08,280
black man on the street who was
yelling at me. And I had the

2796
02:59:08,640 --> 02:59:12,480
incredible sensation of calm.
I'm like, bro,

2797
02:59:13,770 --> 02:59:17,670
get on the sidewalk. I was not
scared or anything. And that's

2798
02:59:17,700 --> 02:59:19,590
it. Maybe that's interracial.

2799
02:59:20,610 --> 02:59:22,740
But say maybe it's to black men.

2800
02:59:23,820 --> 02:59:26,010
And I'll say this. I have a
close friend.

2801
02:59:27,030 --> 02:59:30,480
He had an incident where he hit
a door with his door.

2802
02:59:31,800 --> 02:59:32,940
And they do was like,

2803
02:59:34,110 --> 02:59:34,680
what's up?

2804
02:59:36,870 --> 02:59:41,670
And if we became that way,
what's up? Those two words.

2805
02:59:43,020 --> 02:59:45,990
So what you saying, man? I mean,
that's how it goes. What's up?

2806
02:59:46,170 --> 02:59:49,290
So what you saying then? And it
could devolve into something

2807
02:59:49,290 --> 02:59:53,370
different. So we just have to
be, not have to be let me stop

2808
02:59:53,370 --> 02:59:58,650
saying that. It's the perception
that we have to move on a

2809
02:59:58,650 --> 02:59:59,520
different time.

2810
03:00:00,030 --> 03:00:03,720
Okay, good. So it's all mine
trap. Then we get into my trap.

2811
03:00:03,750 --> 03:00:06,870
I totally 100% increase in my
trap. Alright, should not get

2812
03:00:06,870 --> 03:00:09,030
stuffy in here. So let me Oh,
yeah, please, please.

2813
03:00:11,519 --> 03:00:13,439
Okay, much better. Hey,
everybody, we're back.

2814
03:00:16,170 --> 03:00:18,810
And while we were saying that
something we thought, you know,

2815
03:00:19,590 --> 03:00:22,230
what we were talking about hung
behind closed doors, something

2816
03:00:22,230 --> 03:00:25,710
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2817
03:00:25,800 --> 03:00:26,580
Yes, well, I

2818
03:00:28,440 --> 03:00:31,650
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2819
03:00:31,650 --> 03:00:33,360
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2820
03:00:34,440 --> 03:00:38,910
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2821
03:00:38,910 --> 03:00:39,630
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2822
03:00:40,800 --> 03:00:44,250
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2824
03:00:48,090 --> 03:00:51,510
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03:00:51,510 --> 03:00:54,600
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03:00:54,600 --> 03:00:56,940
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03:00:56,940 --> 03:00:59,940
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with Adam Curry Episode Number
55

2833
03:01:22,620 --> 03:01:26,670
almost missed a valid point I
wanted to make so I'm glad we

2834
03:01:26,670 --> 03:01:30,750
had that conversation we did
okay. There was one song missing

2835
03:01:30,750 --> 03:01:31,830
from his verses

2836
03:01:33,240 --> 03:01:37,500
that I'm surprised that didn't
get played on Jesus part and

2837
03:01:37,500 --> 03:01:41,010
that's my president is black he
didn't play it

2838
03:01:42,570 --> 03:01:44,820
wish that was the song he made
for brock obama when he got

2839
03:01:45,030 --> 03:01:48,990
elected. Right right right but
he chose not to play it which

2840
03:01:48,990 --> 03:01:50,280
was a glaring

2841
03:01:51,360 --> 03:01:56,910
mission for me. Like is blocked
Barack Obama that toxic

2842
03:01:58,530 --> 03:02:02,850
Well, he didn't want to play it
or he didn't want to seem like a

2843
03:02:03,210 --> 03:02:06,630
democratic operative by playing
it but it was one of his biggest

2844
03:02:06,630 --> 03:02:11,850
hits. So it not to be played and
you got me you have your top 20

2845
03:02:11,850 --> 03:02:16,080
songs well maybe i don't know i
think that you know considering

2846
03:02:16,140 --> 03:02:20,790
who is who he's in bed with
figuratively. The last thing the

2847
03:02:20,790 --> 03:02:23,670
last thing we want is anyone
thinking about Obama like now we

2848
03:02:23,670 --> 03:02:25,200
got to move forward towards Joe

2849
03:02:27,990 --> 03:02:31,350
but now you know you want to
conjure up those feelings of

2850
03:02:31,410 --> 03:02:35,370
Joe's got you think you think
that's good? You think that they

2851
03:02:35,370 --> 03:02:38,910
want to conjure up Obama? I
mean, isn't he toxic at this

2852
03:02:38,910 --> 03:02:42,720
point for the culture? That's my
point. Yeah. Is he so toxic? I

2853
03:02:42,720 --> 03:02:46,440
think so. Because that was the
whole thing that Joe is a

2854
03:02:48,990 --> 03:02:56,550
racist? No But Joe is a rock
revisiting are coming back to

2855
03:02:56,550 --> 03:03:00,570
the old Obama third term. Right
well i don't think anyone's

2856
03:03:00,570 --> 03:03:04,290
playing that song. I found that
as I'm glad that we stopped and

2857
03:03:04,290 --> 03:03:06,870
had a comment to that spot that
thought coming I had it and I

2858
03:03:06,870 --> 03:03:10,680
made a note of that about myself
My feeling is that my feeling is

2859
03:03:10,740 --> 03:03:14,130
that Obama is considered toxic
by the culture or for the for

2860
03:03:14,130 --> 03:03:19,050
the New Democrat Party. That's I
think that's true. I believe

2861
03:03:19,200 --> 03:03:22,290
that was my thing. I think with
maybe Dooley the two points I

2862
03:03:22,290 --> 03:03:26,430
laid out one that he is toxic
into that will be in a way that

2863
03:03:26,430 --> 03:03:29,550
would have been a red flag to a
lot of people I Oh yeah, well

2864
03:03:29,550 --> 03:03:31,440
you know what's going on? Yeah,
I agree. I

2865
03:03:32,460 --> 03:03:37,170
I saw promise to share with you
the origin of making it rain guy

2866
03:03:37,170 --> 03:03:41,490
so let's get into 34 man 3.1
point three that type of shit

2867
03:03:41,490 --> 03:03:43,650
but I'm still on the same
mission I was on when I met

2868
03:03:43,650 --> 03:03:45,150
Mitch you know what I'm saying?

2869
03:03:46,380 --> 03:03:47,010
whose main

2870
03:03:54,900 --> 03:03:58,980
part one a program stop you
ain't never heard of big meat I

2871
03:03:58,980 --> 03:04:02,100
may have for any you travel
around everywhere and learn

2872
03:04:02,100 --> 03:04:04,680
about different things all over
the world for this I learned

2873
03:04:04,680 --> 03:04:05,820
about us by asking

2874
03:04:07,230 --> 03:04:11,040
was big meats is big meat smell
know how to explain that nobody

2875
03:04:11,040 --> 03:04:14,130
ever asked me that question.
That's crazy. Nobody ever asked

2876
03:04:14,130 --> 03:04:18,090
me that. I don't know how to
answer it. Got our own house we

2877
03:04:18,090 --> 03:04:21,570
got our own cars we got almost
got our own clothes. You know

2878
03:04:21,780 --> 03:04:25,410
and we can't be stuck I don't
see nobody style seen on the car

2879
03:04:25,620 --> 03:04:29,580
after season. No nobody I never
do this again. It's just many

2880
03:04:29,580 --> 03:04:33,840
niggas and as much money can't
get along. Big Meech and hurt.

2881
03:04:34,140 --> 03:04:40,830
Now. So big Meech is the leader
of the black mafia family. Okay,

2882
03:04:40,890 --> 03:04:46,260
which they had. Jeezy was
affiliated with them a part of

2883
03:04:46,260 --> 03:04:49,590
them. It's very unclear what the
relationship was. Some people

2884
03:04:49,590 --> 03:04:53,850
say that they took him in as far
as you know, he was like the

2885
03:04:54,240 --> 03:05:00,000
music. arm of BMF but he was
definitely affiliated with

2886
03:05:00,000 --> 03:05:04,440
Boom and black mafia family was
covered his kid they were the

2887
03:05:04,440 --> 03:05:09,630
shit. I mean like, see, I mean
they okay this how much money

2888
03:05:09,630 --> 03:05:13,740
they had they were by winning
lottery tickets to launder their

2889
03:05:13,740 --> 03:05:14,220
money

2890
03:05:17,070 --> 03:05:21,210
on the hope that one of them
paid a huff know if somebody won

2891
03:05:21,570 --> 03:05:26,250
yeah oh god yeah so if you are a
winner they will look your meal

2892
03:05:26,280 --> 03:05:32,550
will give you 1.2 give us the
ticket. Oh okay okay wow that's

2893
03:05:32,550 --> 03:05:34,140
big they had it they had a

2894
03:05:35,310 --> 03:05:39,510
book billboard downtown Atlanta
saying the world is ours

2895
03:05:41,220 --> 03:05:47,160
This is a lot to do was a he was
a member of black mafia family.

2896
03:05:47,700 --> 03:05:51,660
You never heard of big Meech
like I mean that was offensive

2897
03:05:52,980 --> 03:05:57,540
I mean these are the guys that
created or it's the legend goals

2898
03:05:57,540 --> 03:06:02,310
that they created making it rain
because they were go in and just

2899
03:06:02,340 --> 03:06:06,930
make it right just tsunami cash
to the point where you can't see

2900
03:06:06,930 --> 03:06:11,820
the floor cash that will pull up
two or three tour buses back to

2901
03:06:11,820 --> 03:06:16,830
back and I'm not saying 27 year
old me that was like wow like

2902
03:06:16,830 --> 03:06:18,990
that that is hot you know i mean
like that

2903
03:06:20,580 --> 03:06:23,370
knowing the implications of
drugs and everything in that

2904
03:06:23,370 --> 03:06:29,100
community I get that but it's
this is the this is the mind

2905
03:06:29,100 --> 03:06:35,970
screw that you go through have
seen people create it as legends

2906
03:06:36,480 --> 03:06:40,350
but then what they can't
legendary for

2907
03:06:41,880 --> 03:06:47,130
right but the those were those
guys yeah BMF adult Rick Ross

2908
03:06:47,130 --> 03:06:48,660
got a song called beat Meech.

2909
03:06:50,640 --> 03:06:55,710
He was saying like, I mean, what
I mean by that is to have a song

2910
03:06:55,830 --> 03:06:59,250
title out there. Like the hook
goes on big Meech, I'm like I'm

2911
03:06:59,250 --> 03:07:05,100
like Larry Hoover. Yeah, you're
so legendary. Legendary. So

2912
03:07:05,310 --> 03:07:10,230
Jeezy we have a clip or him
speaking about him in big Meech

2913
03:07:10,230 --> 03:07:12,690
relationship because it's gonna
it's gonna it's gonna pay off in

2914
03:07:12,690 --> 03:07:16,110
the end, but let's let's listen
to that clip. Was that

2915
03:07:16,110 --> 03:07:18,660
relationship like these days
with each being gone for?

2916
03:07:19,800 --> 03:07:23,970
Like 3040? Yeah. I mean, she
still won't go to magic right

2917
03:07:23,970 --> 03:07:24,270
now.

2918
03:07:26,040 --> 03:07:29,520
My Magic City. I mean, you can't
wait, wait, wait, do you can't

2919
03:07:29,520 --> 03:07:32,040
kill the spirit man. He's a
different type of dude. Man. He

2920
03:07:32,040 --> 03:07:35,250
just always been a strong
individual man. And I don't

2921
03:07:35,250 --> 03:07:38,910
think that the prison is, you
know, it is what it is man. But

2922
03:07:38,910 --> 03:07:41,760
I just think that he's not
letting me kill his spirits,

2923
03:07:41,760 --> 03:07:44,490
man. Like he you know, when you
talk to him, he's in better

2924
03:07:44,490 --> 03:07:46,770
spirits. And you know, he's
always calling and talking to

2925
03:07:46,770 --> 03:07:50,610
people. And you would think he
was home to me. He can't hear it

2926
03:07:50,610 --> 03:07:52,470
in his voice. You know, some
people, they get in there and

2927
03:07:52,470 --> 03:07:56,220
you hear that? You hear breaking
them down? He's cool, man. He's

2928
03:07:56,220 --> 03:08:01,320
keeping I gave him that. What
What do you think? made each,

2929
03:08:01,830 --> 03:08:05,070
you know, Drew so many people to
meet? What was the cup? Because

2930
03:08:05,070 --> 03:08:09,840
he can't my nigga like he really
did. Like it like he's genuine

2931
03:08:09,840 --> 03:08:13,170
do and I just think, you know,
he just always wanted to see

2932
03:08:13,170 --> 03:08:15,510
people in a better place. You
know, even the conversations

2933
03:08:15,780 --> 03:08:19,830
that we had. And I'll be the
first to say, when I first you

2934
03:08:19,830 --> 03:08:23,100
know, started popping off my
music great. Like me, she's one

2935
03:08:23,100 --> 03:08:26,370
of my biggest fans. Like he
loved it. Like I would do shit

2936
03:08:26,370 --> 03:08:29,160
and come from a studio and get
in the car him ride smoking.

2937
03:08:29,160 --> 03:08:32,100
Listen to that shit. And just
true. You know? I mean, like, he

2938
03:08:32,100 --> 03:08:34,380
would just be like he said that
he loved it.

2939
03:08:36,090 --> 03:08:38,640
Wow, it's just reading the
Wikipedia man. These guys.

2940
03:08:39,030 --> 03:08:44,940
Pretty big organization going
on. They trying to Malta state.

2941
03:08:47,250 --> 03:08:48,510
We say national

2942
03:08:49,650 --> 03:08:53,700
ring. Yeah. Those are the guys
that come into your neighborhood

2943
03:08:53,700 --> 03:08:58,830
and like a we're setting up
franchises. And, but they would

2944
03:08:58,830 --> 03:09:02,400
love I mean, it's like, that's
why I keep bringing out El Chapo

2945
03:09:02,970 --> 03:09:08,070
because to the people they care
for. Now, I mean, I can't not

2946
03:09:08,070 --> 03:09:10,530
see the mayhem and violence and

2947
03:09:11,580 --> 03:09:14,340
destruction that was brought to
the neighborhood due to their

2948
03:09:14,340 --> 03:09:18,930
actions to how much how much of
this is actually mirroring the

2949
03:09:18,930 --> 03:09:22,470
glamour of El Chapo or I would
say probably still popular

2950
03:09:22,470 --> 03:09:23,340
Scarface.

2951
03:09:24,750 --> 03:09:29,310
I will probably say more. Pablo
Escobar. Oh Escobar Yes. But

2952
03:09:29,310 --> 03:09:31,890
also also scarf. I mean, the
world is mine. I mean, that was

2953
03:09:31,890 --> 03:09:36,480
that was what Scarface put on.
Remember, that was his mind. Oh,

2954
03:09:36,480 --> 03:09:41,700
Scarface has a huge and we spoke
about this. Scarface has a huge

2955
03:09:42,840 --> 03:09:46,260
impact on the culture because
he's coming from the bottom

2956
03:09:46,260 --> 03:09:51,660
starting from nothing. making
your way up. And and and making

2957
03:09:51,660 --> 03:09:55,350
yourself into a you know, a
substantial figure that

2958
03:09:55,350 --> 03:09:58,590
resonates on a certain level. So
here's here's how it must work

2959
03:09:58,590 --> 03:09:59,970
if you're doing this multi step.

2960
03:10:00,000 --> 03:10:02,100
Hundreds of millions of dollars

2961
03:10:03,720 --> 03:10:06,270
you're recognized by the
political establishment you're

2962
03:10:06,270 --> 03:10:11,040
recognized by the white
criminals in the system and I

2963
03:10:11,040 --> 03:10:16,740
think it's probably it's all
intertwined and with politics it

2964
03:10:16,740 --> 03:10:20,730
cannot be you cannot run curry
goggles

2965
03:10:24,540 --> 03:10:28,020
alright I can't see crap now all
right we're getting there we're

2966
03:10:28,020 --> 03:10:31,830
getting there. You and your
future travels I'm sorry

2967
03:10:33,330 --> 03:10:40,950
so but that that was Gz in 2012
well think sour between him and

2968
03:10:40,950 --> 03:10:44,880
big Meech and all that beat
Meech speak for himself looks

2969
03:10:48,900 --> 03:10:51,690
like we coming out people that
know us to tell you like them do

2970
03:10:51,690 --> 03:10:54,270
some of the coolest dudes moving
across the face of the earth man

2971
03:10:54,270 --> 03:10:56,670
you know we come in we got
drinks for everybody you know

2972
03:10:56,670 --> 03:11:00,450
you come in with a man named a
family we all family What if I'm

2973
03:11:00,450 --> 03:11:04,740
out with my and trying to show
my good time and some just off

2974
03:11:04,740 --> 03:11:08,280
brand dude come by and grab my
ass and say Yo bitch What up we

2975
03:11:08,280 --> 03:11:12,660
go mop the floor with his ass is
called respect

2976
03:11:15,090 --> 03:11:16,740
because they have always looked
oh

2977
03:11:20,250 --> 03:11:26,250
boy is not going crazy. Gee, the
oh my god from from the Bay. Oh,

2978
03:11:26,250 --> 03:11:29,430
john Jeezy from Atlanta. Yeah.
Are you talking about Jay

2979
03:11:29,430 --> 03:11:32,970
Jenkins Young Jeezy? If that's
what you call is a lot of Jesus

2980
03:11:32,970 --> 03:11:35,040
man but um, so

2981
03:11:36,180 --> 03:11:39,210
like, Is he really like well
respected in the streets and

2982
03:11:39,210 --> 03:11:42,420
stuff out there? Yeah, yeah. The
whole homo community level

2983
03:11:45,300 --> 03:11:48,120
playing no games. I don't cuz
you know, when the movement

2984
03:11:48,120 --> 03:11:51,300
started he's one of the faces of
it. Right? And you know, when

2985
03:11:51,300 --> 03:11:54,870
everything went down, you know,
like he separated I don't know

2986
03:11:54,930 --> 03:11:57,570
Look, I mean, whenever you want
to clear up you could clear up

2987
03:11:57,600 --> 03:12:01,080
I'm gonna tell you like this. I
like the man music cuz I always

2988
03:12:01,080 --> 03:12:06,480
did. That's why I fuck from Jump
Street. I'm not no hater. But if

2989
03:12:06,480 --> 03:12:09,450
you want your homeboys is
walking through the mall. And in

2990
03:12:09,450 --> 03:12:13,290
his three Yo, and then 15 guys
come said we found a beach is

2991
03:12:13,500 --> 03:12:17,790
and the nigga that run. That was
Jeezy he was the nigga that ran

2992
03:12:18,690 --> 03:12:19,470
slap?

2993
03:12:20,580 --> 03:12:26,310
Yeah. So he when Jeezy got on
with fame and you know,

2994
03:12:26,310 --> 03:12:27,510
celebrity and

2995
03:12:28,530 --> 03:12:33,240
had the huge rec contract and
all that losing credibility is

2996
03:12:33,240 --> 03:12:37,980
not a loser know what he did?
No, no, no, no black mafia

2997
03:12:37,980 --> 03:12:42,300
family that not not lose
credibility, he lose. But I'll

2998
03:12:42,300 --> 03:12:46,920
say this as a matter of self
preservation, the kind of

2999
03:12:46,920 --> 03:12:48,330
numbers that we're facing.

3000
03:12:49,860 --> 03:12:52,740
I'm not, I'm not I'm just kind
of person. If I'm in it, I'm in

3001
03:12:52,740 --> 03:12:54,870
it. And if I'm not in it, I'm
not in it. That's why I can

3002
03:12:54,870 --> 03:12:59,430
never participate in these kind
of groups, or any group, because

3003
03:13:01,680 --> 03:13:07,230
I am for myself, and not in a
selfish way. But I can't put

3004
03:13:07,800 --> 03:13:11,490
taking the fall, even if I have
nothing to do with it. You know,

3005
03:13:11,490 --> 03:13:14,040
for somebody else, I can never
do that. You know, I mean, I'm

3006
03:13:14,040 --> 03:13:15,000
just being honest with you.

3007
03:13:16,080 --> 03:13:19,470
And I think out of self
preservation, and I've made it

3008
03:13:19,500 --> 03:13:23,430
I've got where I need to go. You
screaming BMF on every record,

3009
03:13:23,430 --> 03:13:25,650
but then when they ask you Do
you know anything about BMF?

3010
03:13:25,650 --> 03:13:29,880
Nah, no, no. BMF Oh, no, it's
talking about and I think to a

3011
03:13:29,880 --> 03:13:35,220
guy like big Meech, who's really
in it. I mean, like, lit blood,

3012
03:13:35,220 --> 03:13:37,800
like say blood in blood out. A

3013
03:13:39,360 --> 03:13:43,710
you don't you can't get out. You
know, you have to we got to stay

3014
03:13:43,710 --> 03:13:49,050
in. But I mentioned this before
with a Flynn.

3015
03:13:50,070 --> 03:13:53,640
The same thing. It's the same
mentality. If you ride with

3016
03:13:53,640 --> 03:13:58,650
Trump. You catch case you don't
rat. No metaphor still sitting

3017
03:13:58,650 --> 03:14:00,570
up. He didn't read.

3018
03:14:03,420 --> 03:14:06,840
General Flynn, he didn't read.
Right. But the Michael Cohen.

3019
03:14:08,340 --> 03:14:09,210
Michael Cohen.

3020
03:14:10,980 --> 03:14:15,540
Yeah, that's a good. That's a
good analogy. So that's why it's

3021
03:14:15,540 --> 03:14:19,230
like it's not about you know,
you don't you just don't turn

3022
03:14:19,230 --> 03:14:22,140
your back on it. So I'm gonna
play this next clip. And this is

3023
03:14:22,140 --> 03:14:28,860
a free show. 28 black don't
crack to kind of this is how

3024
03:14:32,640 --> 03:14:37,710
drug dealers of kingpins can
kind of absolve themselves from.

3025
03:14:38,880 --> 03:14:41,760
Well, somebody's got to sell
drugs, if I don't sell it. And

3026
03:14:41,760 --> 03:14:44,280
this is from New jack city, the
courts thing you're the one

3027
03:14:44,280 --> 03:14:44,790
who's guilty.

3028
03:14:46,290 --> 03:14:50,730
Lawmakers, the politicians that
Colombian drug lords, all you

3029
03:14:50,730 --> 03:14:54,360
who lobby against making drugs
legal, just like you did with

3030
03:14:54,420 --> 03:14:57,540
alcohol during the prohibition.
You're the one who's guilty.

3031
03:14:59,580 --> 03:15:00,000
I mean, come

3032
03:15:00,000 --> 03:15:01,200
Well, let's kick the ballistics
here.

3033
03:15:02,310 --> 03:15:04,230
I know who's these made in
Harlem.

3034
03:15:05,250 --> 03:15:09,960
I mean, not one of us in here.
Also pop up. This thing is

3035
03:15:09,960 --> 03:15:13,320
bigger than Nino Brown, this is
big business. This is the

3036
03:15:13,320 --> 03:15:14,070
American way.

3037
03:15:15,870 --> 03:15:18,120
Okay, my goggles are still on.
So I'm just not gonna say

3038
03:15:18,120 --> 03:15:20,220
anything. Yes. So

3039
03:15:21,810 --> 03:15:27,600
I mean, that was the the logic
of Wayne bringing it here. So if

3040
03:15:27,600 --> 03:15:30,060
you're gonna get mad at somebody
get right in the right people,

3041
03:15:30,090 --> 03:15:32,820
or how are you going to be a
hypocrite and be mad at us and

3042
03:15:32,820 --> 03:15:35,400
not the other people? Now, I
mean, there's, there's nuance to

3043
03:15:35,400 --> 03:15:38,850
that argument, but I'm just
telling you how the logic works

3044
03:15:39,030 --> 03:15:41,670
for somebody that is on a high
level like that, from my

3045
03:15:41,670 --> 03:15:46,590
understanding, and Nino Brown,
to a lot of people are seen as a

3046
03:15:46,590 --> 03:15:51,930
hero. A because he made it and
if the ultimate goal is making

3047
03:15:51,930 --> 03:15:54,810
it, it doesn't matter how you
make it, how they make it. Yeah.

3048
03:15:55,590 --> 03:16:02,100
So I found this interesting clip
from BMF, Jabari a. And he

3049
03:16:02,100 --> 03:16:05,580
touches on a point that I've
made a long time ago about

3050
03:16:05,580 --> 03:16:10,470
adrenaline. My job of choice was
adrenaline. My drug of choice

3051
03:16:10,470 --> 03:16:11,010
was

3052
03:16:12,450 --> 03:16:17,010
the family. You know, that
familia. that's bigger than

3053
03:16:17,040 --> 03:16:21,270
almost any drug out there on
earth, and adrenaline of driving

3054
03:16:21,270 --> 03:16:26,550
in a car cross country. 2000
plus miles, 100 kilos, and there

3055
03:16:27,240 --> 03:16:30,600
are only one in the world. And
that state that knows is there.

3056
03:16:30,780 --> 03:16:35,790
You know, that adrenaline rush?
is beyond dope or anything for

3057
03:16:35,790 --> 03:16:38,760
me. I don't use drugs. I don't
drink. I don't touch. I don't

3058
03:16:38,760 --> 03:16:42,270
taste nothing. But that was my
drug. Wow.

3059
03:16:43,320 --> 03:16:48,780
Yeah. And these were a lot of
bright, ambitious young men.

3060
03:16:50,430 --> 03:16:52,440
If given maybe a different path.

3061
03:16:54,480 --> 03:16:57,060
They were proud probably would
have, you know, saying turned

3062
03:16:57,060 --> 03:16:58,260
out differently. But

3063
03:16:59,700 --> 03:17:01,950
this goes to show you that he
didn't drink he didn't do

3064
03:17:01,950 --> 03:17:05,970
anything. But adrenaline. I
think I've made that point

3065
03:17:05,970 --> 03:17:08,250
before about a lot of these kids
running around doing the

3066
03:17:08,250 --> 03:17:12,360
shooting and playing this game.
And I'll go back a little bit to

3067
03:17:12,360 --> 03:17:15,750
the Kendrick Lamar. Spoiler
alert, that was kind of what

3068
03:17:15,750 --> 03:17:18,270
they were doing, running around
playing the game.

3069
03:17:20,040 --> 03:17:22,410
Popping shots off at people each
other.

3070
03:17:23,430 --> 03:17:27,210
And somebody gets killed in the
process. And then one, one scene

3071
03:17:27,210 --> 03:17:31,320
in that one from the skit. And
in the Kendrick Lamar album. It

3072
03:17:31,320 --> 03:17:35,400
was like we will pop a few shots
and you know, and then that

3073
03:17:35,400 --> 03:17:38,460
Haha, the deuce actually said,
ha ha ha shot the neighborhood

3074
03:17:38,670 --> 03:17:40,800
in the skit. Yeah. Because this

3075
03:17:42,090 --> 03:17:43,590
it's not taking seriously.

3076
03:17:44,640 --> 03:17:46,770
You know, it's just somebody
actually gets hit. So I just

3077
03:17:46,770 --> 03:17:49,380
want to make that point about
adrenaline. And it's no

3078
03:17:49,380 --> 03:17:53,040
different I think in the
mentality of a god going down a

3079
03:17:53,040 --> 03:17:57,690
slope on the X Games. 50 foot
slope on a skateboard. You know,

3080
03:17:57,690 --> 03:18:00,900
we used to do for our
adrenaline, rock fights.

3081
03:18:02,430 --> 03:18:06,810
So, yeah, I know. I know how
stupid our way. So rock fights.

3082
03:18:06,810 --> 03:18:10,230
Yeah, you somehow there was two
teams? I don't really I think I

3083
03:18:10,230 --> 03:18:13,350
do remember, this was in
Holland, by the way. So it's a

3084
03:18:13,350 --> 03:18:16,470
whole different culture
altogether. But would be the

3085
03:18:16,470 --> 03:18:22,980
kids from a village up the road.
And there was a there was a

3086
03:18:23,370 --> 03:18:27,780
house being demolished. And so
there was lots of rocks around

3087
03:18:27,780 --> 03:18:30,600
and stuff and I can't even
remember how it happened. We

3088
03:18:30,600 --> 03:18:32,910
just started a rock fight and
we're throwing rocks at each

3089
03:18:32,910 --> 03:18:36,720
other and the until one kid got
a fucking hole in his head. And

3090
03:18:36,720 --> 03:18:39,060
then all of a sudden we were
like, Damn, that was dumb. Let's

3091
03:18:39,060 --> 03:18:39,660
go home.

3092
03:18:40,680 --> 03:18:44,430
But it was pure adrenaline. I
remember it vividly. like holy

3093
03:18:44,640 --> 03:18:47,190
crap, I could get a hold of my
head. Wow, this is cool that we

3094
03:18:47,190 --> 03:18:49,680
didn't have guns. But if we
hadn't we probably would have

3095
03:18:49,680 --> 03:18:53,940
used them too. And but nowadays
these young kids have access to

3096
03:18:53,940 --> 03:18:58,290
gun all over the so early on and
that's why I say gbg Yeah,

3097
03:18:58,320 --> 03:19:05,490
because uh i'm gonna start GB BG
get black boys guns. And I know

3098
03:19:05,490 --> 03:19:08,310
that a lot of people had a
sticker shock I mean, like, What

3099
03:19:08,310 --> 03:19:12,810
do you say? I think if you take
young black boys out teach them

3100
03:19:12,810 --> 03:19:16,800
how to hunt train them again.
Yeah, see what it's like to see

3101
03:19:16,800 --> 03:19:19,860
life poor out of an animal. I
mean, you're gonna eat the

3102
03:19:19,860 --> 03:19:23,130
animal whatever but I think
that's why the lack of respect

3103
03:19:23,130 --> 03:19:26,520
for guns is part of the problem
in our community as well.

3104
03:19:27,870 --> 03:19:30,870
Yeah, but that all that that we
used to be culture you used to

3105
03:19:30,870 --> 03:19:34,200
take your your shotgun, your 22
not your shotgun. You take your

3106
03:19:34,200 --> 03:19:36,600
22 to school, put it in your
locker, I'm going hunting later

3107
03:19:36,600 --> 03:19:39,810
go and shoot and later. I was
talking to a friend He's like

3108
03:19:39,810 --> 03:19:44,760
I'm taking my son out to get his
first book. And I'm sure once he

3109
03:19:44,760 --> 03:19:50,880
see that animal gonna die.
Totally respect for that tool

3110
03:19:50,910 --> 03:19:52,200
called called a firearm.

3111
03:19:53,910 --> 03:19:56,340
So I'm not I'm all over the
place today, but I just want to

3112
03:19:56,340 --> 03:19:59,850
make that point as well. Um, but
that's that's big. Meech

3113
03:20:00,359 --> 03:20:05,099
And I'm gonna say this about
Jeezy if you have the governor's

3114
03:20:05,129 --> 03:20:06,629
in the President's ear

3115
03:20:08,400 --> 03:20:12,570
if meek wants to come home and
restore order in the streets

3116
03:20:12,570 --> 03:20:16,380
with it right now we're we're
post that now shall we say we're

3117
03:20:16,380 --> 03:20:18,480
post Osama right now

3118
03:20:19,710 --> 03:20:23,100
remember how crazy it was
Afghanistan in the Middle East

3119
03:20:23,100 --> 03:20:25,500
when you took out Osama or a

3120
03:20:26,610 --> 03:20:31,620
Saddam Hussein yeah now you have
like five other warlords vying

3121
03:20:31,620 --> 03:20:34,230
for this mayhem mayhem Of
course, whenever you take out

3122
03:20:34,230 --> 03:20:37,740
someone being in the gang or in
the in the mob or organized

3123
03:20:37,740 --> 03:20:40,860
crime, it's always a fight for
who's who's who's the boss now.

3124
03:20:41,400 --> 03:20:45,420
So I'm gonna say this. Remember
when Kanye went first talk to

3125
03:20:45,420 --> 03:20:48,540
Trump in the Oval Office. Yeah,
he was talking about bringing

3126
03:20:48,540 --> 03:20:52,080
Larry Hoover home and he was
also mentioned in the song big

3127
03:20:52,080 --> 03:20:57,600
Meech by Rick Ross. I'm like big
Meech, I'm like Larry Hoover. So

3128
03:20:57,600 --> 03:21:01,980
if Meech Larry Hoover can come
home restore order to the

3129
03:21:01,980 --> 03:21:06,150
streets. I'm all for it. And I
think genies ask, I know people

3130
03:21:06,150 --> 03:21:09,840
like what are you talking about
Mo, I am not anti organized

3131
03:21:09,840 --> 03:21:13,590
crime. The reason why I say that
is I am a realist that no crime

3132
03:21:13,590 --> 03:21:17,760
is gonna exist, vices gonna
exist. If you saw a thing in

3133
03:21:17,760 --> 03:21:21,570
Portland, they've legalized the
possession of drugs. So I mean,

3134
03:21:21,600 --> 03:21:25,230
we've gotten to the point where
people are going to get high,

3135
03:21:25,740 --> 03:21:28,470
people are going to participate
in prostitution, people are

3136
03:21:28,470 --> 03:21:31,920
going to participate in
gambling. Now it's like if we

3137
03:21:31,920 --> 03:21:37,530
can bring these well respected,
people highly respected by their

3138
03:21:37,590 --> 03:21:42,450
peers, and the guys that came up
like them, and they can restore

3139
03:21:42,450 --> 03:21:45,120
order. Well, we don't have guys
getting shot in the mall and

3140
03:21:45,120 --> 03:21:49,020
shot in the streets and all
kinds of Mayhem, where it can

3141
03:21:49,020 --> 03:21:49,620
reach

3142
03:21:50,640 --> 03:21:54,660
civilians. I'm all for it. I'm
for anything that brings

3143
03:21:54,660 --> 03:22:00,420
solutions to our community. I
know that sounds crazy. But

3144
03:22:02,370 --> 03:22:04,890
even in the streets, you got to
have some kind of order. It

3145
03:22:04,890 --> 03:22:07,710
sounds Well, it sounds hopeful.
And yes.

3146
03:22:08,940 --> 03:22:11,340
As long as there are drugs, and
as long as those drugs are

3147
03:22:11,370 --> 03:22:16,110
illegal, then there's going to
be I I got to pick out from

3148
03:22:16,110 --> 03:22:19,140
under the goggles. Because,
yeah, this is this is all this

3149
03:22:19,140 --> 03:22:23,670
is all going on. With street
drugs. The Meanwhile, Purdue

3150
03:22:23,670 --> 03:22:28,020
pharma just admitted they were
they were drug dealers actor

3151
03:22:28,020 --> 03:22:33,090
with a whole frickin network of
legal drugs, they pay a fine, no

3152
03:22:33,090 --> 03:22:37,470
one goes to jail, none of the
doctors the pill Mills. And of

3153
03:22:37,470 --> 03:22:41,700
course that trickled down to the
street as well. None of it and

3154
03:22:41,730 --> 03:22:46,680
these guys, I would say in the
opioid game are above above the

3155
03:22:46,680 --> 03:22:49,710
street gangs were handing it
down. And first we said all the

3156
03:22:49,710 --> 03:22:52,710
rich white people get it. And
then Oh, we got some excess was

3157
03:22:52,740 --> 03:22:56,130
distributed over here. Maybe
those kids can turn it into lean

3158
03:22:56,130 --> 03:22:59,970
or whatever, mix it up. Those
are the criminals, the criminals

3159
03:22:59,970 --> 03:23:04,200
are there. And as long as you've
got these two systems, they're

3160
03:23:04,200 --> 03:23:07,770
meant they're meant to work
together. They're baked into the

3161
03:23:07,770 --> 03:23:12,870
system. It's a part of it at and
I don't know, we may find out if

3162
03:23:12,870 --> 03:23:15,900
we had if we've had systemic
voter fraud in our in our

3163
03:23:15,900 --> 03:23:18,420
republic for the past 40 years.

3164
03:23:19,650 --> 03:23:23,490
And that will and if that is
demonstrated and shown to the

3165
03:23:23,490 --> 03:23:26,160
American people that will freak
a lot of people out, wait until

3166
03:23:26,160 --> 03:23:30,030
you find out what's really going
on. What's really going on.

3167
03:23:30,180 --> 03:23:33,690
Because all of this to me,
what's happening on the streets,

3168
03:23:34,020 --> 03:23:34,710
in the pyp

3169
03:23:35,790 --> 03:23:40,170
urban areas is part of the same
thing.

3170
03:23:41,190 --> 03:23:43,950
And it's intended to be kept
that way.

3171
03:23:45,720 --> 03:23:48,570
Yeah, and I'll go back to and we
can go to the next clip after

3172
03:23:48,570 --> 03:23:52,080
this one. I go back to the
Godfather line when they were

3173
03:23:52,080 --> 03:23:55,830
debating where they were at the
same point I'm at now is gonna

3174
03:23:55,830 --> 03:23:58,140
be a drug trade. Right? Cuz I
mean, that's what the

3175
03:23:59,160 --> 03:24:01,680
Michael Collins father was
arguing against, like, Don't

3176
03:24:01,680 --> 03:24:04,560
bring no we don't need to get
into the drug game. And

3177
03:24:04,560 --> 03:24:07,410
everybody was the other four
families convinced them like

3178
03:24:07,530 --> 03:24:10,980
there's gonna be a drug market.
And then whether they say long

3179
03:24:10,980 --> 03:24:14,280
as you keep it down there with
the inwards. Yes, exactly,

3180
03:24:14,370 --> 03:24:18,030
exactly. That's exactly what
they said. And it's ness. That's

3181
03:24:18,030 --> 03:24:22,200
a movie but that's been the
sentiment. Because we you listen

3182
03:24:22,200 --> 03:24:25,500
to this net clip clip from James
Bradley, talking about the

3183
03:24:25,500 --> 03:24:30,900
Roosevelt, opium empower. I'm
out in China, and I find that

3184
03:24:31,110 --> 03:24:35,880
the grandfather of Franklin
Delano Roosevelt, his name was

3185
03:24:35,880 --> 03:24:40,380
Warren Delano was the opium king
of China. The fortune that

3186
03:24:40,380 --> 03:24:45,900
Franklin Delano Roosevelt lived
off of custom made suits, nice

3187
03:24:45,900 --> 03:24:49,980
houses, sailboats, vacations,
summer homes. He didn't make

3188
03:24:49,980 --> 03:24:54,000
that money he inherited from
grandpa Warren Delano, the opium

3189
03:24:54,000 --> 03:24:58,350
king of China. Cabot house at
Harvard opium Skull and Bones at

3190
03:24:58,350 --> 03:24:59,430
Yale opium

3191
03:25:00,000 --> 03:25:04,680
The Library of Columbia opium
money, the if you go on the

3192
03:25:04,680 --> 03:25:07,950
Princeton website, at least
they're honest, they will admit

3193
03:25:07,950 --> 03:25:11,130
that their first biggest
benefactor, john green was an

3194
03:25:11,130 --> 03:25:15,210
opium dealer with Warren Delano.
So the book is full of

3195
03:25:15,210 --> 03:25:18,960
surprises. I'll let you judge.
It didn't change my view about

3196
03:25:18,960 --> 03:25:22,590
America so much. What it did is
changed my view about American

3197
03:25:22,590 --> 03:25:23,460
historians.

3198
03:25:25,140 --> 03:25:29,640
Yes, poorly documented, no
argument there. Absolutely. And

3199
03:25:29,640 --> 03:25:31,740
I think this is what you're
alluded to about, you know, the

3200
03:25:31,740 --> 03:25:33,840
power structure not and I'll say
this last thing, because you

3201
03:25:33,840 --> 03:25:37,290
brought it up the opioid
epidemic, and people were like,

3202
03:25:37,290 --> 03:25:42,030
Well, you know, um, they won't
didn't treat black people, white

3203
03:25:42,030 --> 03:25:44,280
people like they did black
people doing the crack error.

3204
03:25:44,310 --> 03:25:47,700
And that's a very astute
observation. But I don't think

3205
03:25:47,700 --> 03:25:51,960
they understand the reason why
it's not about the victim, or

3206
03:25:51,960 --> 03:25:55,290
the user of the drug. It was
about who is gonna be put in

3207
03:25:55,290 --> 03:25:57,360
handcuffs. If you

3208
03:25:58,800 --> 03:26:01,590
if something comes out. Yeah. It
would have been a bunch of

3209
03:26:01,590 --> 03:26:04,140
doctors that would have hadn't
been perp walk, yeah, out of

3210
03:26:04,140 --> 03:26:08,280
their legitimate establishment.
And that is not going to happen.

3211
03:26:08,280 --> 03:26:12,360
Because the drug doctors have a
lobby, they have a lobby, so

3212
03:26:12,360 --> 03:26:14,970
you're like, Nah, that's not
gonna happen. And so like, we'll

3213
03:26:14,970 --> 03:26:17,880
pay a pay a penalty, other
pharmaceutical companies, and

3214
03:26:17,880 --> 03:26:21,240
they hit more doctors didn't
have to wasn't even covered

3215
03:26:21,240 --> 03:26:24,690
brother, it was not even
covered. On the news. It was a

3216
03:26:24,690 --> 03:26:26,190
throwaway line

3217
03:26:28,200 --> 03:26:33,360
1000s of people dead because of
this one company. And it wasn't

3218
03:26:33,360 --> 03:26:36,360
covered. Because not because of
the color of the skin, maybe to

3219
03:26:36,360 --> 03:26:39,420
a lesser extent, maybe the color
of skin that people that died,

3220
03:26:39,660 --> 03:26:44,430
it was about who sold it to him.
That's the problem. And that's

3221
03:26:44,430 --> 03:26:47,280
why they didn't prosecute them
in the same manner because

3222
03:26:47,580 --> 03:26:51,120
doctors are not getting locked
up. That's just not happening in

3223
03:26:51,120 --> 03:26:55,050
this country. But also the media
is who who's the number one

3224
03:26:55,050 --> 03:26:59,970
advertiser on television. Number
one. Hello, pharma. You're not

3225
03:26:59,970 --> 03:27:02,910
gonna say anything about pharma,
because that's your bread and

3226
03:27:02,910 --> 03:27:06,570
butter, you do not do not talk
negatively about pharma.

3227
03:27:07,620 --> 03:27:12,300
So it's a scam. And once again,
we'll look who's getting the bad

3228
03:27:12,300 --> 03:27:16,560
end of the stick. Yeah. And so
that leads us into the next

3229
03:27:16,560 --> 03:27:20,460
clip, the meaning the meaning
connection, what forces could be

3230
03:27:20,460 --> 03:27:24,870
responsible for compromising the
entire system of justice? Bill

3231
03:27:24,870 --> 03:27:28,800
Clinton certainly knows. He was
the governor of Arkansas who

3232
03:27:28,800 --> 03:27:32,430
will allow this version of his
state government by the shadowy

3233
03:27:32,430 --> 03:27:36,330
forces radiating from the reagan
bush white house, when ex CIA

3234
03:27:36,330 --> 03:27:40,140
director William Casey began
using the CIA to illegally

3235
03:27:40,140 --> 03:27:44,640
conduct secret foreign policy.
This serious reach of America's

3236
03:27:44,640 --> 03:27:48,930
constitutional authority was
labeled by the media as Iran

3237
03:27:48,930 --> 03:27:53,250
Contra. This documentary will
rewrite this dark period in

3238
03:27:53,250 --> 03:27:57,660
American history and leave you
with annoying question. Who or

3239
03:27:57,660 --> 03:27:59,760
what is running this country?

3240
03:28:03,090 --> 03:28:03,930
gunrunning

3241
03:28:06,150 --> 03:28:08,670
mysterious CIA flights

3242
03:28:10,950 --> 03:28:12,510
control military training

3243
03:28:16,050 --> 03:28:17,790
guerrilla pilot training

3244
03:28:21,090 --> 03:28:22,650
Stein air drops

3245
03:28:26,280 --> 03:28:28,410
tons of illegal drugs.

3246
03:28:31,530 --> 03:28:33,900
Millions of dollars in dirty
money.

3247
03:28:35,370 --> 03:28:38,910
covert activity in some third
world Banana Republic, right?

3248
03:28:40,050 --> 03:28:40,680
Wrong.

3249
03:28:42,300 --> 03:28:45,930
Arkansas, America's own Banana
Republic.

3250
03:28:48,060 --> 03:28:53,610
sauce I'll bring this up again.
Cool Breeze said it on a Goodie

3251
03:28:53,610 --> 03:28:57,000
Mob song. He said dirty Bo
clinic in front of me some wait.

3252
03:28:58,290 --> 03:29:02,670
This is the early 90s this is
before the internet. This is not

3253
03:29:02,910 --> 03:29:07,020
some conspiracy theory. This is
why known that the Clintons were

3254
03:29:07,020 --> 03:29:11,700
running heavy drugs in the
south. And I have proof now.

3255
03:29:12,780 --> 03:29:16,710
of something I said a while back
about one of the mechanisms or

3256
03:29:16,710 --> 03:29:20,340
one of the methods that used to
transport it. And that was

3257
03:29:20,340 --> 03:29:25,860
inside of Tyson chickens. Yes.
This is why Tyson chickens with

3258
03:29:25,860 --> 03:29:29,490
no excuse me This is why kilos
of cocaine, I believe are

3259
03:29:29,490 --> 03:29:34,110
referred to as chickens. in
Chronicles one, one of Hillary's

3260
03:29:34,110 --> 03:29:37,770
investments under the direction
of Tyson Foods counselor James

3261
03:29:37,770 --> 03:29:44,550
Blair netted almost $100,000 on
an initial $1,000 investment on

3262
03:29:44,550 --> 03:29:49,170
nearly impossible feet using
legal methods. I can't read

3263
03:29:49,170 --> 03:29:53,670
their minds or speculate, but I
had absolutely no reason to

3264
03:29:53,670 --> 03:29:56,610
believe that I got any favorable
treatment.

3265
03:29:57,750 --> 03:29:59,970
Coincidentally, Governor Clinton
the next

3266
03:30:00,000 --> 03:30:03,330
To the number of state
regulations allowing Tyson Foods

3267
03:30:03,540 --> 03:30:06,420
to grow into the largest
industry in Arkansas.

3268
03:30:07,710 --> 03:30:13,350
Don Tyson put in six $700,000
all told in all of Bill

3269
03:30:13,350 --> 03:30:14,430
Clinton's campaign.

3270
03:30:16,109 --> 03:30:19,679
Guess what he got out of it? He
got $10 million

3271
03:30:21,120 --> 03:30:22,140
guessed from where

3272
03:30:23,160 --> 03:30:27,090
the Arkansas development finance
authority and he never paid a

3273
03:30:27,090 --> 03:30:27,810
dime for

3274
03:30:28,830 --> 03:30:35,340
had heard rumors of Don Tyson in
his allege cocaine use and

3275
03:30:36,060 --> 03:30:39,750
distribution. Now went through
the intelligence files and come

3276
03:30:39,750 --> 03:30:41,940
up with enough that I thought
was sufficient amount of

3277
03:30:41,940 --> 03:30:46,050
evidence to launch
investigation. Now, Mr. Tyson's

3278
03:30:46,170 --> 03:30:49,650
out simply out of Arkansas State
Police intelligence files has

3279
03:30:49,650 --> 03:30:51,030
been accumulated for years.

3280
03:30:52,170 --> 03:30:56,130
Yeah, and there was also a nice
nod to this in breaking bad if

3281
03:30:56,130 --> 03:30:56,850
you remember

3282
03:30:57,870 --> 03:31:02,130
or Polo chicken was being used.
And you know, where the

3283
03:31:02,130 --> 03:31:06,210
distribution centers are alleged
to be that the Tyson trucks were

3284
03:31:06,210 --> 03:31:06,990
showing up at

3285
03:31:08,850 --> 03:31:11,190
to tell Walmart's

3286
03:31:13,230 --> 03:31:15,300
course another fine Arkansas for

3287
03:31:16,440 --> 03:31:19,740
witches, witches. So this as the
story goes, and this is all

3288
03:31:19,740 --> 03:31:23,490
alleged. This is all all
alleged.

3289
03:31:24,690 --> 03:31:26,790
Load up the chickens full of
cocaine.

3290
03:31:27,930 --> 03:31:31,800
Go all across the nation to
Walmart, if the chickens out,

3291
03:31:32,760 --> 03:31:36,060
put the chickens on the shelf.
The cocaine goes out the back

3292
03:31:36,060 --> 03:31:39,810
door. Mm hmm. Um, that's pretty
well established this. I think

3293
03:31:39,810 --> 03:31:44,820
these are facts. Right? I'm just
saying for people. So it's not

3294
03:31:44,820 --> 03:31:47,280
just we're not talking about
Roseville in the you know, in

3295
03:31:47,280 --> 03:31:50,640
the opium trade. We're talking
about people that are still in

3296
03:31:50,640 --> 03:31:54,180
power today. That may be you
know, saying made these

3297
03:31:54,180 --> 03:31:57,840
decisions, the impact that
you're saying the community and

3298
03:31:57,870 --> 03:32:01,890
the culture, if they will say,
and nobody's held to task and

3299
03:32:01,890 --> 03:32:03,990
then you turn around and you
want to work with these people.

3300
03:32:04,590 --> 03:32:08,100
And then you want to demonize
other I mean, I'm just like,

3301
03:32:08,130 --> 03:32:11,400
let's just be fair, however we
call it if you want to call it

3302
03:32:11,400 --> 03:32:13,710
loose, you want to call it
tight, that's fine, but call it

3303
03:32:13,710 --> 03:32:14,190
fair.

3304
03:32:16,650 --> 03:32:19,440
Is the man it's amazing. It is
amazing.

3305
03:32:20,880 --> 03:32:24,000
This information is out there
for for the consump people's

3306
03:32:24,000 --> 03:32:27,240
consumption, but nobody does
anything with it. Well, I want

3307
03:32:27,240 --> 03:32:30,780
to I have some some things to
say. But I want to get through

3308
03:32:30,780 --> 03:32:33,510
the clinton Chronicles clips.
First, I want to hear what we've

3309
03:32:33,510 --> 03:32:37,470
got. Okay, number two, a great
deal of criminal investigation

3310
03:32:37,470 --> 03:32:41,430
files were surfacing with Don
Tyson's name mentioned in there

3311
03:32:41,430 --> 03:32:45,210
as being involved with some drug
and narcotics trafficking

3312
03:32:45,240 --> 03:32:49,170
activities. So I interviewed
some of the investigators who

3313
03:32:49,170 --> 03:32:52,980
worked on the Tyson case. Most
of them felt that Tyson should

3314
03:32:52,980 --> 03:32:57,180
have been indicted. But the
investigations were always

3315
03:32:58,020 --> 03:33:04,380
sabotaged. Oftentimes from
within one particular undercover

3316
03:33:04,410 --> 03:33:06,210
narc agent told me that

3317
03:33:07,650 --> 03:33:12,810
another criminal investigator in
that department named Doug Foley

3318
03:33:12,960 --> 03:33:17,640
was furnishing Don Tyson with
photographs of the undercover

3319
03:33:17,640 --> 03:33:20,910
narcotics agents that were
working on his case, Donald

3320
03:33:20,910 --> 03:33:25,230
smalls was actually hired to
look into the allegations that

3321
03:33:26,220 --> 03:33:32,370
Tyson had given bribes to
different people, specifically

3322
03:33:32,790 --> 03:33:35,670
to the Secretary of Agriculture,
Mike espy.

3323
03:33:36,780 --> 03:33:39,960
And what came out of that
investigation was very

3324
03:33:39,960 --> 03:33:41,850
remarkable. Drug Abuse

3325
03:33:44,580 --> 03:33:48,060
drug distribution, money
laundering, even murder for

3326
03:33:48,060 --> 03:33:48,420
hire.

3327
03:33:49,770 --> 03:33:53,370
Now a small has collected all
this stuff, he compiled it, he

3328
03:33:53,370 --> 03:33:54,480
put it in proper order.

3329
03:33:55,980 --> 03:33:57,390
Approach Janet Reno

3330
03:33:59,160 --> 03:34:02,070
and said, Look, you know, I need
to broaden my investigation. I'm

3331
03:34:02,070 --> 03:34:07,110
finding more here than just
simple payoffs. What do you

3332
03:34:07,110 --> 03:34:07,800
think happened?

3333
03:34:09,420 --> 03:34:12,420
Now most of you already know, he
was turned down.

3334
03:34:13,560 --> 03:34:14,160
Huh?

3335
03:34:15,540 --> 03:34:17,100
Clinton hasn't goons.

3336
03:34:19,710 --> 03:34:23,850
those goons okay, right now. I'm
holding I'm holding. I'm holding

3337
03:34:23,850 --> 03:34:27,060
mo I'm holding I'm holding back
I'm holding back. Alright, so

3338
03:34:27,060 --> 03:34:30,510
let's go and jump into three.
Don Tyson was in the middle of

3339
03:34:30,510 --> 03:34:32,520
the cocaine just like Bill
Clinton.

3340
03:34:33,600 --> 03:34:40,710
Slide Dan last, just like Roger,
and all the so you see all of

3341
03:34:40,710 --> 03:34:41,670
this insist?

3342
03:34:42,750 --> 03:34:47,400
All of this drug run all of the
trafficking drugs, sending them

3343
03:34:47,400 --> 03:34:48,420
all over the nation.

3344
03:34:49,530 --> 03:34:50,670
Little in Arkansas,

3345
03:34:51,720 --> 03:34:54,780
right under the nose, a little
Governor Bill Clinton.

3346
03:34:56,790 --> 03:34:57,450
I went to Bill

3347
03:34:59,010 --> 03:35:00,000
and I said bill, you

3348
03:35:00,000 --> 03:35:04,410
Got two weeks to tell the truth.
I'm gonna tell you're breaking

3349
03:35:04,410 --> 03:35:07,230
the law and I can't be a part of
you made mistake. I'm not one of

3350
03:35:07,230 --> 03:35:11,730
your buddies released. I'm not
that big a buddy. When Larry

3351
03:35:11,730 --> 03:35:16,590
Nichols made his disclosures
made them public.

3352
03:35:17,910 --> 03:35:19,800
The Clintons spin doctor

3353
03:35:20,820 --> 03:35:26,700
treated him on mercifully. It
shocked both of us who had been

3354
03:35:26,700 --> 03:35:31,650
kept in the dark through the
years and Arkansas politics. The

3355
03:35:31,650 --> 03:35:36,930
Arkansas news media had done
little, if anything on tober,

3356
03:35:36,960 --> 03:35:40,740
anything derogatory about Bill
Clinton.

3357
03:35:41,790 --> 03:35:46,080
And for these disclosures to
come out of the blue was so

3358
03:35:46,080 --> 03:35:46,800
shocking

3359
03:35:48,150 --> 03:35:53,100
that the Spin Doctors attack the
messenger

3360
03:35:54,570 --> 03:35:59,040
rather than tried to answer crab
to answer the charges that

3361
03:35:59,040 --> 03:36:00,240
Nicolas had made.

3362
03:36:02,520 --> 03:36:03,000
Well,

3363
03:36:04,200 --> 03:36:04,950
I have some,

3364
03:36:06,570 --> 03:36:11,820
some perspective on this,
please. My uncle, Donald Greg,

3365
03:36:12,090 --> 03:36:17,070
who was in the CIA, when before
it was CIA, he's now just in his

3366
03:36:17,070 --> 03:36:23,160
90s. It was still the OSS. He
had to testify in front of

3367
03:36:23,160 --> 03:36:27,750
Congress and was implicated in
the Iran Contra scandal, as he

3368
03:36:27,750 --> 03:36:29,370
at the time was

3369
03:36:30,390 --> 03:36:35,940
Vice President Bush's national
security adviser. And he got off

3370
03:36:35,940 --> 03:36:42,750
scot free. But within the
family, the discussion was kind

3371
03:36:42,750 --> 03:36:47,250
of well, he didn't cover his
boss's ass, which if you look

3372
03:36:47,250 --> 03:36:50,490
into him, and by the way, I
think uncle Don is a patriot.

3373
03:36:50,490 --> 03:36:54,660
And I think he was a useful
idiot in this in this Gambit,

3374
03:36:55,170 --> 03:37:01,530
because it's always been played
as this was drugs for guns, and

3375
03:37:01,560 --> 03:37:07,200
that the CIA was giving guns or
selling guns to the Contras.

3376
03:37:08,370 --> 03:37:13,800
And doing that, in, the only
payment they could accept was

3377
03:37:14,010 --> 03:37:17,460
cocaine and they turned that
into crack cocaine and then

3378
03:37:17,730 --> 03:37:20,610
eventually spread that out on
the on the streets of

3379
03:37:20,760 --> 03:37:22,830
California, Los Angeles in
particular.

3380
03:37:24,390 --> 03:37:32,460
It is my belief that this was
always a false view of what was

3381
03:37:32,460 --> 03:37:36,360
really going on. Because the
Clintons, they're just pawns and

3382
03:37:36,360 --> 03:37:40,740
Bill Clinton is a nice guy, but
he's dumb. And and look at his

3383
03:37:40,740 --> 03:37:43,350
brother Roger. And so they were
working for the bushes. The

3384
03:37:43,350 --> 03:37:47,790
bushes are truly the crime
family that maybe no longer I'm

3385
03:37:47,790 --> 03:37:50,010
not quite sure what's left of
it. But

3386
03:37:51,570 --> 03:37:57,690
daddy bush Papa bush puppy. He
was the guy who started in the

3387
03:37:57,690 --> 03:37:59,430
CIA at the very beginning.

3388
03:38:00,660 --> 03:38:06,390
And I believe President
Eisenhower said it, President

3389
03:38:06,390 --> 03:38:10,650
Kennedy felt it was some hot
lead. The CIA is running all of

3390
03:38:10,650 --> 03:38:14,340
this, the CIA has been running
the drugs in the United States

3391
03:38:14,340 --> 03:38:19,860
for a long, long time. Possibly
before you and I were even born,

3392
03:38:20,250 --> 03:38:25,320
they are a complete criminal
organization. And

3393
03:38:27,120 --> 03:38:30,750
with a little bit of a little
bit of luck, but a lot of skill.

3394
03:38:31,050 --> 03:38:36,630
45 savage may be able to uncover
this. It may be part of the big

3395
03:38:36,630 --> 03:38:42,780
review. But the CIA is a toxic,
horrible organization not has

3396
03:38:42,840 --> 03:38:47,190
wasn't always that way. But it
didn't take long before it got

3397
03:38:47,190 --> 03:38:50,940
corrupted. They have unlimited
power. They have unlimited money

3398
03:38:50,940 --> 03:38:55,020
because they sell the drugs. If
I think we discussed the Bush

3399
03:38:55,020 --> 03:38:57,930
family, actually they own
property in Compton.

3400
03:38:59,190 --> 03:39:03,300
No, they know that's where he
was. Compton is where George W.

3401
03:39:03,780 --> 03:39:10,260
George Herbert. Hey, George, h,
h. h h. w. w. h whatever his. He

3402
03:39:10,260 --> 03:39:14,550
was. He lived in Compton, right?
Yeah. And that's where they the

3403
03:39:14,550 --> 03:39:20,700
CIA agents supposedly showed
street level drug dealers how to

3404
03:39:20,700 --> 03:39:24,330
cook up the crack. That's
exactly true. It's the CIA,

3405
03:39:24,570 --> 03:39:27,390
which their Christmas there.
They're like, they're the

3406
03:39:27,390 --> 03:39:31,650
criminals. There's the criminals
mo it's not the Clintons is

3407
03:39:31,650 --> 03:39:34,980
just, I mean, everyone, look,
please focus on the Clintons.

3408
03:39:34,980 --> 03:39:37,470
Whatever you do, focus on the
Clintons don't focus on the

3409
03:39:37,470 --> 03:39:41,400
bushes and don't focus on the
CIA. It's my opinion, I have a

3410
03:39:41,400 --> 03:39:44,730
little more insight than most.
I'm pretty sure the true

3411
03:39:44,730 --> 03:39:48,210
criminals at the top is going to
be your Central Intelligence

3412
03:39:48,240 --> 03:39:53,460
Agency in its modern form, not
what they started offering. And

3413
03:39:53,460 --> 03:39:57,660
I always say this, the most
powerful man in this country

3414
03:39:58,320 --> 03:39:59,970
maybe in the second

3415
03:40:00,000 --> 03:40:06,450
Half of the 1900s was George
Bush Senior. Yes, sir. Because

3416
03:40:06,450 --> 03:40:09,210
if you look at how long that
flag was half mass

3417
03:40:10,620 --> 03:40:14,580
when he passed, I've never seen
it. I was like, cuz at work, we

3418
03:40:14,580 --> 03:40:18,930
know we have the flag half mass
on national tragedies. Yeah, I

3419
03:40:18,930 --> 03:40:21,720
was like that thing still that
who has died, and it was still

3420
03:40:21,720 --> 03:40:26,340
for him. And that lets you know
the power. I'm all on board with

3421
03:40:26,340 --> 03:40:29,850
you. He Reagan gets the blame
for I don't think Reagan had the

3422
03:40:29,850 --> 03:40:34,770
mental capacity at the time. I
think the whole? No, I think it

3423
03:40:34,770 --> 03:40:37,620
was the eight years that he was
vice president coming straight

3424
03:40:37,620 --> 03:40:38,490
out of the CIA.

3425
03:40:41,250 --> 03:40:44,130
He ran it for another four
years. On a when he was

3426
03:40:44,130 --> 03:40:48,090
president. And then he ran it
for another eight years under

3427
03:40:48,090 --> 03:40:55,410
his stooge, the George me asking
me, Bill Clinton. Yes. So I'm in

3428
03:40:55,410 --> 03:40:56,490
total green.

3429
03:40:57,990 --> 03:41:00,540
Isn't the Spin Doctors we know
who the spend czar? That's the

3430
03:41:00,540 --> 03:41:04,650
media, and the media will never
It's amazing. If george bush

3431
03:41:04,650 --> 03:41:07,560
wanted to defeat Bill Clinton,
this would have been public

3432
03:41:07,560 --> 03:41:08,070
knowledge.

3433
03:41:09,150 --> 03:41:11,010
Yes. But it wasn't

3434
03:41:12,090 --> 03:41:16,440
one other data point. That's
kind of fun. If I say 911 2001

3435
03:41:16,470 --> 03:41:20,880
you know exactly where you were.
Right? Right. Okay, so do I. If

3436
03:41:20,880 --> 03:41:24,300
you say to anyone to your
parents, you say Do you remember

3437
03:41:24,300 --> 03:41:26,940
where you were when Kennedy got
shot? I don't know exactly where

3438
03:41:26,940 --> 03:41:31,380
they were. The one man in
america who on record has said I

3439
03:41:31,380 --> 03:41:33,030
can't remember where I was.

3440
03:41:35,310 --> 03:41:39,870
is George Herbert Walker Bush.
He's on record Don't forget

3441
03:41:39,870 --> 03:41:40,410
poppy

3442
03:41:41,940 --> 03:41:43,320
pot. Well, he that is Poppy.

3443
03:41:44,430 --> 03:41:46,890
I know that's what they don't
forget the poppy. Yeah. Oh,

3444
03:41:46,890 --> 03:41:49,620
please. Exactly. Why do they
call him poppy? We know that.

3445
03:41:50,490 --> 03:41:54,870
Please. But he does not know
where he was on the day.

3446
03:41:54,900 --> 03:41:56,730
President Kennedy was
assassinated

3447
03:41:57,780 --> 03:42:00,120
in one day This will come out I
hope we're still around when it

3448
03:42:00,120 --> 03:42:02,760
does. And do you know why I
think

3449
03:42:03,930 --> 03:42:06,660
or a weird analogy because it's
just like what the chickens

3450
03:42:06,690 --> 03:42:09,360
while was cocaine college she's
always wanted that.

3451
03:42:10,620 --> 03:42:13,770
I like that a lot. I like that
well you know that guy with all

3452
03:42:13,770 --> 03:42:15,420
the chickens you know what they
call him?

3453
03:42:16,530 --> 03:42:17,100
poppy

3454
03:42:19,500 --> 03:42:23,250
get out of town. Going to see
poppy to get numbers get them

3455
03:42:23,250 --> 03:42:23,880
breaks

3456
03:42:25,980 --> 03:42:27,180
I didn't know that. That's cool.

3457
03:42:29,610 --> 03:42:34,980
It's this it's this crossover
between elite level

3458
03:42:36,240 --> 03:42:41,730
criminality and elite level a
separate criminality and I'm not

3459
03:42:41,730 --> 03:42:44,520
gonna make a difference between
the two but it's what also look

3460
03:42:44,520 --> 03:42:47,760
at it. Look at it, look at it as
an organization look at it as an

3461
03:42:47,760 --> 03:42:50,730
army. And look at on here.
They've got the the marketing

3462
03:42:50,730 --> 03:42:55,890
arm media. They've got you know,
the the lawyers, which is

3463
03:42:55,920 --> 03:42:59,820
literal lawyers, who also are
all politicians, or most

3464
03:42:59,820 --> 03:43:03,510
politicians are lawyers. They've
got the whole thing all the way

3465
03:43:03,510 --> 03:43:06,210
down the line. And they've got
all and yeah, who cares if a

3466
03:43:06,210 --> 03:43:10,740
couple of black guys go to jail?
Wait a minute. I do like what

3467
03:43:10,740 --> 03:43:13,800
they're doing with this drug
culture songs. And we got to

3468
03:43:13,800 --> 03:43:18,660
promote that a little bit. It's,
it is so and this is what I in

3469
03:43:18,660 --> 03:43:23,730
my heart of hearts believe that
Trump is trying to show us this

3470
03:43:23,760 --> 03:43:28,530
now. And I don't know how far
he'll get. I really pray for him

3471
03:43:28,530 --> 03:43:31,440
that he does it because that's
the swamp man. Now you're

3472
03:43:31,440 --> 03:43:35,430
talking swamp and he has made
some moves that mimic what

3473
03:43:35,430 --> 03:43:40,080
Kennedy did back in the late
50s, particularly as it pertains

3474
03:43:40,080 --> 03:43:44,790
to the CIA's power. And you may
have seen this little switchover

3475
03:43:44,790 --> 03:43:47,550
that they did with special
operations, which is pretty much

3476
03:43:47,550 --> 03:43:52,080
the CIA was running them for
everything, from Libya, to Syria

3477
03:43:52,110 --> 03:43:59,280
to you name it to Benghazi, all
CIA run operations. And I

3478
03:43:59,280 --> 03:44:01,950
believe that they were there.
That's why everyone is so what's

3479
03:44:01,950 --> 03:44:05,700
so crazy about Trump, it's like,
oh, my God, this guy just might

3480
03:44:05,700 --> 03:44:10,560
expose us because it's so
rampant so widespread, and the

3481
03:44:10,560 --> 03:44:14,970
world is so connected to things
getting a bit hot, because fans

3482
03:44:14,970 --> 03:44:18,420
will find stuff out and idiots
on podcast, talk about it, and

3483
03:44:18,420 --> 03:44:22,260
people get wise to it. And we're
still in Afghanistan, just like

3484
03:44:22,260 --> 03:44:24,750
this, though. Don't let that
escape you. Oh, and and please,

3485
03:44:25,170 --> 03:44:28,350
please do look at where our
troops are stationed. And you

3486
03:44:28,350 --> 03:44:32,190
will see that they are exactly
in the areas where the poppy

3487
03:44:32,190 --> 03:44:36,780
fields are. It's called
protection. Right? Which we saw

3488
03:44:36,780 --> 03:44:40,050
the same thing with Vietnam War
and the influx of

3489
03:44:41,190 --> 03:44:44,940
the country to go see an
American president. Wasn't that

3490
03:44:45,180 --> 03:44:48,600
Denzil American Gangster
American Gangster wish that will

3491
03:44:48,600 --> 03:44:53,460
be who they equate a freeway
Ricky Ross to all he was running

3492
03:44:53,460 --> 03:44:56,550
the whole thing. It's like
Brooke, come on. Come on. No

3493
03:44:56,550 --> 03:44:59,970
way. No way. No, no, no. No

3494
03:45:00,000 --> 03:45:06,300
does not tell I would not be
allowed in the conspiracy

3495
03:45:06,330 --> 03:45:10,860
conspiracy theory community if I
didn't let this last chunk of

3496
03:45:10,890 --> 03:45:14,430
information get by me. Let's
just jump right into it Gucci

3497
03:45:14,430 --> 03:45:19,050
man and Charlemagne to make me
think of Gucci clone

3498
03:45:19,050 --> 03:45:22,830
conspiracies or reflection of
how toxic like the hood

3499
03:45:22,830 --> 03:45:23,550
mentality.

3500
03:45:24,660 --> 03:45:27,780
I kind of it was entertaining to
me. Yeah, I kind of thought it

3501
03:45:27,780 --> 03:45:31,770
was funny. I enjoyed the Gucci
Mane gonna see him for you feel

3502
03:45:31,770 --> 03:45:34,440
like a clone. Now I don't feel
like a clone. But I did kind of

3503
03:45:34,440 --> 03:45:38,250
like the minute she was fun. It
was fun like Danny thanks I'm

3504
03:45:38,250 --> 03:45:41,880
not really the same person. I
didn't look at it like I didn't

3505
03:45:41,880 --> 03:45:44,040
fit me I kind of wanted him to
keep it going. That's a

3506
03:45:44,040 --> 03:45:47,160
compliment. Yeah, like now now I
was saying not not not him. I

3507
03:45:47,160 --> 03:45:49,680
did again now it's like now not
a clone. Keep going with a

3508
03:45:49,680 --> 03:45:55,020
clone. I don't. I'm not familiar
with the Gucci Mane clone. So he

3509
03:45:55,020 --> 03:45:58,020
made such a transformation come
out of jail. People thought he

3510
03:45:58,020 --> 03:45:59,280
would clone in jail.

3511
03:46:01,530 --> 03:46:05,430
Okay, well, I don't subscribe to
that because I think cloning is

3512
03:46:05,430 --> 03:46:11,160
a very a tedious process. I do
think is this and I do think

3513
03:46:11,160 --> 03:46:14,550
that but i think they're so
unstable. This is just my

3514
03:46:14,550 --> 03:46:17,130
personal opinion. I don't know
any clowns that I don't know. I

3515
03:46:17,130 --> 03:46:17,910
can't speak for

3516
03:46:19,020 --> 03:46:23,430
Rocco the dog man I think Rocco
might be a clone. Right? So I

3517
03:46:23,430 --> 03:46:24,210
don't think

3518
03:46:25,410 --> 03:46:28,440
counting coochie man was the
best option. But can I get a

3519
03:46:28,440 --> 03:46:30,360
little theorem in here? Cuz Uh

3520
03:46:31,440 --> 03:46:34,740
oh, I do hold on hold on. I got
a tune it up. There we go. You

3521
03:46:34,740 --> 03:46:37,020
gotta plug that thing in. Here
we go. Ladies and gentlemen,

3522
03:46:37,020 --> 03:46:40,980
we're going off the rails mo
calls from the can't be good.

3523
03:46:43,050 --> 03:46:46,770
If you want to subscribe to
something happened to Gucci

3524
03:46:46,770 --> 03:46:51,150
while he was in jail. That
helped him with this

3525
03:46:51,480 --> 03:46:56,820
transformation. I would go more
with MK Archer, rather than

3526
03:46:56,820 --> 03:47:01,020
cloning, because if you change a
person's mind on that level, I'm

3527
03:47:01,020 --> 03:47:03,840
not saying he was I'm just
saying I think there's if you

3528
03:47:03,840 --> 03:47:06,570
want to go conspiracy theory
with Gucci man.

3529
03:47:07,860 --> 03:47:12,000
Pam being in a federal prison in
Atlanta, will be a great

3530
03:47:12,030 --> 03:47:17,940
opportunity to mine control him.
That way you can control all his

3531
03:47:18,210 --> 03:47:23,280
supporters and spawns when he's
released back to the streets. I

3532
03:47:23,280 --> 03:47:27,270
think that's a far more
plausible conspiracy. Sure, then

3533
03:47:27,270 --> 03:47:28,020
the cloning.

3534
03:47:29,130 --> 03:47:34,200
And well, love It's 45 while
America's intellectual and

3535
03:47:34,200 --> 03:47:37,440
artistic elite were
experimenting with acid for self

3536
03:47:37,470 --> 03:47:41,520
exploration, the US government
was secretly giving this

3537
03:47:41,520 --> 03:47:47,040
powerful new drug to prisoners,
prostitutes, drug people who

3538
03:47:47,040 --> 03:47:50,430
couldn't fight back is one CIA
officer put in.

3539
03:47:51,450 --> 03:47:55,680
Maybe the unabomber was given
LSD as well. Though we'll never

3540
03:47:55,680 --> 03:48:00,690
know for sure. Thanks to CIA
director Richard Helms is having

3541
03:48:00,690 --> 03:48:03,030
most of the program's records
destroy.

3542
03:48:04,470 --> 03:48:09,240
This is Boston mobster Whiting
Bolger, who was another

3543
03:48:09,240 --> 03:48:12,930
illustrious graduate of MK
Ultra, and he was definitely

3544
03:48:12,930 --> 03:48:17,100
given LSD while in Atlanta
federal prison as a volunteer.

3545
03:48:17,490 --> 03:48:21,780
Alleged mobster James whitey
Bolger fled Boston in late 1994.

3546
03:48:21,780 --> 03:48:25,020
His federal agents were about to
arrest him in connection with 19

3547
03:48:25,020 --> 03:48:27,690
killings racketeering and other
crimes that spanned the early

3548
03:48:27,690 --> 03:48:32,700
1970s to mid 1980s. Roger went
into prison as a small time

3549
03:48:32,700 --> 03:48:37,020
thug. But when he got out he
took over the Boston underworld

3550
03:48:37,260 --> 03:48:40,980
by corrupting nearly the entire
Boston FBI office.

3551
03:48:42,090 --> 03:48:45,780
James whitey Bolger went on to
become Boston's most powerful

3552
03:48:45,780 --> 03:48:51,000
criminal is spent 16 years on
FBI most wanted list. whitey

3553
03:48:51,000 --> 03:48:54,570
bolger's henchmen later
testified during his various

3554
03:48:54,570 --> 03:48:57,990
trials that the gangster often
talked about his experience with

3555
03:48:57,990 --> 03:49:03,360
LSD, and that it quote, took him
to the depths of insanity. Did

3556
03:49:03,360 --> 03:49:07,440
LSD help transform a simple
South Boston truck hijacker into

3557
03:49:07,440 --> 03:49:10,560
a brilliant criminal and
unanswerable question to be

3558
03:49:10,560 --> 03:49:13,470
sure, but an interesting one
nonetheless.

3559
03:49:15,690 --> 03:49:19,260
I love what evolved. You're
coming back man because whitey

3560
03:49:19,260 --> 03:49:23,280
Bolger fingerprints are over a
lot of stuff these days. Do you

3561
03:49:23,280 --> 03:49:26,910
know who he was? Landon? Yeah,
no, go ahead. Go ahead. Go

3562
03:49:26,910 --> 03:49:31,950
ahead. Go ahead. Now he was in
Atlanta, federal prison when he

3563
03:49:31,950 --> 03:49:34,290
was allegedly put into MK Ultra

3564
03:49:35,460 --> 03:49:40,260
program. Yeah, and who was
involved in

3565
03:49:41,970 --> 03:49:45,480
whitey bolger's downfall and who
has visited him in prison in the

3566
03:49:45,480 --> 03:49:47,400
last five years?

3567
03:49:48,990 --> 03:49:52,410
Who was that? I don't know. He
got me a special prosecutor

3568
03:49:52,410 --> 03:49:53,280
Robert Muller.

3569
03:49:55,470 --> 03:49:59,970
Oh, yeah. Are Muller all
connected to whitey Bolger? Why

3570
03:50:00,000 --> 03:50:06,000
Bolger who died in prison was a
very big 45 savage fan.

3571
03:50:08,069 --> 03:50:14,159
Um, so you take those those four
names and and look who wound up

3572
03:50:14,159 --> 03:50:17,939
dead. Although I don't know if
he died if any, we don't know

3573
03:50:17,969 --> 03:50:19,889
because why don't we know we're
just reading something right?

3574
03:50:20,429 --> 03:50:24,089
Right. So yes to MK Ultra
possibly.

3575
03:50:25,200 --> 03:50:29,340
also possibly that someone got
some real truth on the inside.

3576
03:50:30,090 --> 03:50:31,140
It's like Oh, wait a minute.

3577
03:50:32,970 --> 03:50:35,370
It's not like I said, I'm not
saying I'm not saying that he

3578
03:50:35,370 --> 03:50:38,160
went under MK Archer. I'm just
saying that so far more

3579
03:50:38,160 --> 03:50:41,940
plausible. If you want to say we
can't do it on its own. That's a

3580
03:50:41,940 --> 03:50:47,910
far more plausible conspiracy.
It is. But I think the MK Ultra

3581
03:50:47,940 --> 03:50:49,620
is actually a cover

3582
03:50:51,030 --> 03:50:53,220
before the whitey Bolger
connections,

3583
03:50:54,270 --> 03:50:59,580
okay, okay. You know, I'm saying
so, yeah, so this is why when I

3584
03:50:59,580 --> 03:51:03,720
look at, well Moeller everybody,
gosh, man. You know,

3585
03:51:05,850 --> 03:51:10,590
these people are so corrupt.
Look at 911 you know, just since

3586
03:51:11,430 --> 03:51:15,720
since we've since we played the
theramin cool coup, who became

3587
03:51:15,720 --> 03:51:19,110
FBI Director two weeks before
911.

3588
03:51:20,220 --> 03:51:24,690
That Moeller Robert Muller. Now,
ever since J. Edgar Hoover, you

3589
03:51:24,690 --> 03:51:25,860
know, the black man.

3590
03:51:28,020 --> 03:51:28,530
Ever since

3591
03:51:29,610 --> 03:51:30,240
a black man.

3592
03:51:32,550 --> 03:51:37,740
passable, very passable black
man, ever since J. Edgar Hoover

3593
03:51:37,770 --> 03:51:41,340
started the FBI really as a
blackmail operation. And, of

3594
03:51:41,340 --> 03:51:46,320
course, that all came out a law
was put on the books when you

3595
03:51:46,320 --> 03:51:50,940
couldn't just change easily. And
the law was, the FBI Director,

3596
03:51:51,180 --> 03:51:56,820
by statute cannot be in office
more than 10 years. So when we

3597
03:51:56,820 --> 03:52:00,360
had 911, and we had all the crap
going on in the Middle East.

3598
03:52:00,600 --> 03:52:04,830
And, you know, for those of you
who were alive 20 years ago,

3599
03:52:04,830 --> 03:52:09,900
this 911 thing that was crazy,
crazy times, now everyone was

3600
03:52:09,900 --> 03:52:13,110
confused, everyone was and the
internet just just kind of

3601
03:52:13,140 --> 03:52:16,170
really started going wide, so
people could look stuff up. And

3602
03:52:18,660 --> 03:52:23,760
so when Obama came in, they did
something very remarkable. They

3603
03:52:24,120 --> 03:52:27,840
threw a number of tricks, and I
don't even know if it was legal.

3604
03:52:28,380 --> 03:52:31,980
They somehow finagle this
statute of 10 years and gave

3605
03:52:31,980 --> 03:52:36,150
Robert Muller an extra two years
in the Obama administration. I'm

3606
03:52:36,150 --> 03:52:40,140
telling you, this is rotten to
the core. And it's it's, it's,

3607
03:52:40,290 --> 03:52:42,540
hey, they don't call it the
White House for nothing.

3608
03:52:44,160 --> 03:52:50,070
This it's it's been very, very
bad. And it would be beautiful

3609
03:52:50,070 --> 03:52:53,460
for it all to come out and
everyone to be able to see how

3610
03:52:53,460 --> 03:52:57,600
the upper echelons of our world
but certainly of our country

3611
03:52:58,110 --> 03:52:58,620
have

3612
03:53:00,000 --> 03:53:06,210
really propagated a war for
profit and for lots of power on

3613
03:53:06,210 --> 03:53:10,200
the American people in different
forms. You know, we got we got

3614
03:53:10,200 --> 03:53:12,780
different drugs for different
classes of people we've been

3615
03:53:12,780 --> 03:53:16,710
through that we've seen it all
happen and so what if those

3616
03:53:16,710 --> 03:53:20,370
people down at the bottom get
killed that's who these people

3617
03:53:20,370 --> 03:53:23,790
are, that's who's really running
the country or was running the

3618
03:53:23,790 --> 03:53:28,110
country or maybe still is we
don't know. But that's how bad

3619
03:53:28,110 --> 03:53:31,740
it is mo and and and, and we've
kind of approach it from the

3620
03:53:31,740 --> 03:53:35,520
bottom up, which is the way to
go so the way to look at it is

3621
03:53:35,520 --> 03:53:38,100
just go all the way up through
the chicken to the Clinton to

3622
03:53:38,100 --> 03:53:42,180
the bushes to the CIA. God knows
who else is up above this.

3623
03:53:43,500 --> 03:53:47,130
You see all the fingerprints yet
all you have to do is use and

3624
03:53:47,160 --> 03:53:51,780
actually to follow the next day
follow the paper trail from from

3625
03:53:51,780 --> 03:53:54,480
the bottom you had to start at
one end and we don't know what's

3626
03:53:54,480 --> 03:53:57,420
the top end so at least we can
start at the bottom in and then

3627
03:53:57,420 --> 03:54:00,540
we keep following the stream and
here's here's a thought stop

3628
03:54:00,540 --> 03:54:02,310
voting for these assholes

3629
03:54:03,450 --> 03:54:07,500
we gave you a warning at the
beginning stop voting for them

3630
03:54:07,650 --> 03:54:10,530
you're killing yourself as

3631
03:54:12,840 --> 03:54:14,760
well Adam mess my rap on the
verse

3632
03:54:17,700 --> 03:54:21,060
and it's just it's an it's just
another part of that system man

3633
03:54:22,020 --> 03:54:24,810
it's everything's been co opted
which is why we have to keep

3634
03:54:24,810 --> 03:54:28,380
podcasting alive. It's the truly
the last independent

3635
03:54:30,390 --> 03:54:35,310
non send decentralized content
distribution system we have if

3636
03:54:35,310 --> 03:54:39,240
the last post the free media and
we do yes it is and we hope that

3637
03:54:39,240 --> 03:54:41,940
you will continue to support
this for this and many other

3638
03:54:41,940 --> 03:54:45,210
reasons and if you got any type
of value from this show, I know

3639
03:54:45,210 --> 03:54:50,160
I always do but these are four
hours of my life I will cherish

3640
03:54:50,160 --> 03:54:53,490
I love doing this one with you
mo because I I learned so much

3641
03:54:53,490 --> 03:54:57,240
more than other episodes because
I mean just what do I know about

3642
03:54:57,240 --> 03:54:59,700
trap so I know the names etc.
But

3643
03:55:00,000 --> 03:55:02,760
has been really really
educational and I think we got

3644
03:55:02,760 --> 03:55:05,100
to something good here that
people can learn something from.

3645
03:55:05,490 --> 03:55:08,820
So do consider supporting us at
mo facts.com

3646
03:55:10,260 --> 03:55:13,950
and as I always say, pay
attention to everything and the

3647
03:55:13,950 --> 03:55:17,700
truth reveal itself mo I look
forward to our next encounter my

3648
03:55:17,700 --> 03:55:18,150
friend

3649
03:55:19,260 --> 03:55:22,140
all right See you next time. All
right everybody take care most

3650
03:55:22,140 --> 03:55:24,210
x.com See you next time.

3651
03:55:42,150 --> 03:55:43,560
Even more so it

3652
03:55:47,430 --> 03:55:48,120
brings on

3653
03:55:51,150 --> 03:55:53,220
man oh man.

3654
03:55:54,900 --> 03:55:56,700
Before you go home

3655
03:56:00,480 --> 03:56:00,990
to the

3656
03:56:09,000 --> 03:56:09,540
machine.

3657
03:56:45,840 --> 03:56:46,500
The middle

3658
03:56:50,550 --> 03:56:51,600
against us.

3659
03:57:33,720 --> 03:57:34,200
Man

3660
03:57:36,690 --> 03:57:37,680
in the middle

3661
03:57:49,980 --> 03:57:50,940
was with us.