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moe facts with Adam Curry for
September 1 2021, Episode Number

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65. Yes, we are back with a new
month. A new round incredible

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energy. After all, I'm Adam
Curry here in the hill country

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of Texas and my friend on the
other end is somewhere in

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Northern Virginia. Good to talk
to him again. Ladies gentlemen,

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Mr. Mo Fox. Well, I'm doing
great Mo. It's so good to speak

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with you again. It's been ages.
Ages it has it has Well, we're

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trying to get our crap together
trying to get back on track. And

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we have the perseverance. That's
for sure.

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That is for sure. And we do have
a full bag for the people as

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well. Yes. That's the only thing
they care about. Really. They

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really do. They really do. wind
up that wheel the wheel of

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topics. Let's see, we're gonna
be talking about today on Moe

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facts with Adam Curry Episode
Number 65. where it stops

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nobody knows except of course
for Moe he knows exactly we're

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going to talk about today the
topic for both X 65 is

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great actor and comedian Bill
Cosby.

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Yeah, this is one this is when
we had to do this is this. An

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old Bill Cosby thing came in
such a weird time. In the in the

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timeline of life with everything
going on with Corona and with

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Rona with the COVID and with
just everything. It was like all

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of a sudden that and then there
was that?

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And then there wasn't. There
wasn't exactly it came and then

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it went. So I'm sure this is
probably off a lot of people's

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radars now. But as you know, I
like to pick a topic and go all

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the way through. kind of explain
the backstory to this one hell

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of a man Bill Cosby if I have to
say so myself. But I only know

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him as Bill Cosby, the TV show.
Fat Albert in those things,

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right? We don't know who these
people are. And the jello.

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Bill Cosby from the jello,

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right? Kiss Donna stain. I mean,
he has I mean, and then even

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when you go back to his earlier
movies, so Ghost Dad, and even

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before then, so we don't know
these people. But what I like to

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do more, instead of getting into
the nuts and bolts of the case,

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is to get into the narrative
behind the whole story with Bill

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Cosby, how he was really how he
was used, if he was used. And

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why he was used. If he was if he
was in deed, you'd well come

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on now mode would be a very
short show. If he wasn't used.

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We all know you got something up
your sleeve. gave it away there.

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He might be the puppet here. I
mean, who knows? You see, I'm

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saying so what we have to do
without a doubt at

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one point in the in the 80s. In
the late 1890s. He was one of

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the most powerful people in show
business.

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And this is why this is one of
my most anticipated shows one of

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my most gut wrenching shows
because it with all just to lay

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it all out there. Up until this
point of this these stories

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coming along. He was one of my
favorite people. I mean, like I

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said, everyone, I mean favorite
people as who he portrayed in my

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childhood and growing up, I have
not have know who Bill Cosby is

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as a person. But the what he
projected out, we can't deny

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what impact he had not only on
black Americans, eight off, but

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also just the Americans in that
grew up in that time. At

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Oh yeah. I mean, well, even
before the 80s really. But

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right? Oh yeah. Same for me like
the Cosby's, I was you watch

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that you stayed home you

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watch the Cosby's and that's why
I don't think people really

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understand is the fact that we
don't have that now set for

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sports, where everybody stops
what they're doing to tune into

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something in television and that
was like a shared consciousness

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consciousness like

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we had that with Fresh Prince of
Bel Air in a similar manner. I

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think every pre DVD pre DVR
Right, right. Right.

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It was like you had to catch you
or you know, I mean, we had of

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course we had VHS but pre DVR
where you could just mash a

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button and it would record and
right you we were all locked in

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that was kind of like what the
internet and social media is now

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while we experienced something
right? Or even the phone call

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afterwards. And that was one
thing I remember like as soon as

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he went off, like the phone will
ring you like Did you see that?

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And not just necessarily with
this show but and

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of course with anything and then
you know my sisters and be like

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get off the phone. I'm expecting
a call.

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So with all that said, I guess
what we need to do is get into

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the media. coverage of Bill
Cosby being released. Good day

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we're

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coming back on the air with more
breaking news about Bill Cosby.

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The comedian was just released
from prison after the

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Pennsylvania Supreme Court
overturned the 83 year old

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actress sex assault conviction
Cosby served more than two years

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of a three to 10 year sevens
convicted of drugging and

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molesting Temple University
employee, Andrea constant. NBC

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justice correspondent Pete
Williams joins us Pete, what can

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you tell us about the the legal
reasoning that led to this

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decision?

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Well, the court says the facts
are very straightforward that

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when the victim initially came
forward, the district attorney

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decided not to file charges that
there were too many problems

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with the evidence, and that he
publicly made a statement that

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he would not pursue these
charges, and that he did so in

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order to free up the possibility
that Cosby could be forced to

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testify in a civil trial that
she filed against him later. And

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that he could not in that civil
trial, then invoke his fifth

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amendment right against self
incrimination. Because he was

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told by the district attorney
and believed the advice of his

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own lawyers, that anything he
said in the civil trial could

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not be used against him in the
criminal trial if the state

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tried it again. So he did
testify, he did incriminate

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himself. He said things that
were incriminating in the civil

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trial. And then the district the
the state of Pennsylvania came

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back and charged him with a
crime what the Supreme Court

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said today is, you can't do
that.

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Right. And I think the
technicality is, is correct, or

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the the analysis of it.

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And I'm no lawyer, I'm blaming
all my law and order, and suits.

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No, but that was the
understanding man if you sign a

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deal, but even in my low legal
analysis, is that if you sign a

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deal, then the deal can't be
wealdstone. Right used against

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you. And that's the whole
premise behind this. And this is

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one of those things that was a
real mind. trick for people.

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It's like, hold on, we'll,

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but it was also because of that
of that testimony. He gave that

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everything was so shocking. And
all of the allegations without

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ever really having gone through.
The whole proceedings just rang

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true.

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Yeah, and that's the thing. What
did he What did he admit to?

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Because you're actually gonna
see that was a very slight

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sleight of hands, knowing what
he actually confessed to. And

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what they asked how they use
that confession, as a open shut

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case to railroad him off to
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Well, why is this not not
surprised me?

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And we can I want people can we
get a trigger warning? First of

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all, this is a very triggering
topic. Sorry about that. I'm not

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caught you off guard. But no,
no, I the very triggering topic.

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I think you're absolutely right.
Warning, Warning. Warning,

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activated. Now you're going to
go back to the reasons why he

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was convicted in the first
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through some of that we must I
guess, right?

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Well, just not in the details of
the case, I believe and just

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like most lawyers will believe
the case should have never took

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place. So I'm not gonna really
get into the cases where he did

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it. He didn't do it. Right. And
that kind of thing I want to get

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into why was this allowed to
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it's clear as day from my law,
order, legal degree, yes, I

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saw the same thing immediately,
like, Oh, this is clearly a

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violation

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of procedure. Right. So you we
everybody was waiting for

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somebody to step in. But I Oh,
no, you can't do that. But

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later, thank you for doing this
mo because no one's gonna do

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this. This is like, the guy's
guilty, done, cut and dry. He's

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rich. So we got off on a
technicality. Mean, doesn't that

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I think is the narrative that
people are kind of, there's a

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lot more stuff that they got to
worry about these days. But I

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think if you asked anybody to be
kind of that's kind of what

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happened with him. And that and
they don't care anymore, I'm

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sure.

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And two things could be true.
Right. He could be accused

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actually did. I'm not gonna use
Word guilty, but he can actually

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have done what he's accused of
doing. But still not. At that,

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by our rules and laws of
America. Yes. not been convicted

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of it due to I don't think this
would be considered double

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jeopardy. I think it was the
fact that he testified under the

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understanding that he wouldn't
be it couldn't add a fifth

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amendment right. It's coming
don't have to incriminate

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yourself and going into this
show. I'm of the opinion, both

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can be true. Right. So that's
where I'm at. That's where

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we're And I think a lot of
people are that now, to what

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extent right now because we
Okay, let's, I don't want to get

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too far into it. But that's
that's the layout of the first,

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maybe third or the show is just
looking at why was this allowed

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to happen to him? When it's
clear as day If man you wish as

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lawyers, we could have got him
off. If you know if we're going

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by the law.

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Well, he is going by the law not
going by media because the media

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had was just cutting him down.
That was just done when we got

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the women coming out. The timing
was right. It was no Weinstein

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stuff in the picture all over
the place.

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Yes, he was he was carrying God.
Sorry about that. From the

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future, man, I'm sorry. Not to
belabor this point in this clip,

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but I just want to point out
that he actually was forced, not

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forced, but agreed to testify,
because he couldn't use the

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Fifth Amendment as his
protection in a civil trial.

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Right. So it's like he got
double screwed, because you tell

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me they can't be used against me
in the criminal trial. So I'll

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tell you what I know. In the
civil trial, I'm sure he had to

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pay out for the civil trial.
Yeah, yeah. And then he turned

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around and get no.

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Right. So that was just a
fascinating. And this is where

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the, if you want to divide it,
not a race line, and even down a

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gender line? The races like how
black people were like some

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black people? Oh, as you're
gonna see, but I don't Well, you

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can't do that. That's not the
that's not justice. But as we

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talked about on the show,
Justice is not what we think

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justice is at all. And then down
the gender line, it's like well,

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yet again, you have some man,
it's a well, even if he did do

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it, by the law, he shouldn't be
trotting before it. So just just

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to lay that out. So I'm glad,
just want to get the context of

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what we're talking about here.
So we can go ahead and get into

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the clip. Number three,

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you can't do that you made him,
you gave him a reason to believe

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that he could testify at the
civil trial without putting

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himself in jeopardy of the
criminal prosecution. The

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Pennsylvania court said, our
sense of fair play and decency,

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compels us to believe that the
district attorney, the district

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attorney had to stand by the
decision that was made by a

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predecessor in the office not to
charge. So that's the reasoning

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of the court the outcome, Lester
is that he cannot be tried

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again, on these charges. That
means that the woman at the

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center of this case, she can't
be the subject of another

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criminal prosecution, this one
is over. Now, that doesn't mean

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that other victims could come
forward and the state could

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investigate and decide whether
or not to pursue criminal

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charges based on entirely
different facts. But there can't

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be a retrial on this case. We
know that there are other women

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who testified what they thought
was similar behavior against

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them. There's a statute of
limitations issue with that

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prevents some of these cases
from going forward, potentially,

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in the court doesn't explicitly
says here that they're not

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making any decision about any
other potential case or any of

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the testimony that was offered
in the civil trial. They simply

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say that issue isn't before us,
and we're not going to answer

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This whole thing really stinks.
And it kind of passed us by

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again, it was like, Well,

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okay, because it was perfect.
And you'll see how I was

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perfect, when it first ramped up
was right at the beginning of

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the election cycle. 2013 kind of
got faded there. And then

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through the whole Trump, you
know, administration, you know,

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everyone's doing other stuff,

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right, right. But Trump was a
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Cosby was, and the same thing
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deshaun Watson in the football
player down in Houston, and even

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to the staff of Tiger Woods, and
what that is, is when one victim

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comes out, there's this
floodgate of women that say, Oh,

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yeah, Me too, me to meet no pun
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that well, at the time. It was
literally me to Harvey

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Weinstein. I mean, there was a
lot of me to going on.

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Right. But what I'm saying is
this feeds into see now we got

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this is why we do this. Because
whenever you see a black man

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accused of some kind of sexual
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that level, let me be clear of
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always a floodgate to follow it.
And as I said, with john Watson,

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I think he's up to 2030 women.
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the bottom right, and I see what
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the floodgate is more not more
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man being accused by more women,

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right and like we saw with Trump
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right it was excuse me, 45
savage cuz I want Trigger

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anybody, but it was another
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Yeah, it's like 20 or something.
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Right. And he knows a Crim. I
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dude, before, you know, he was
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golden shower with the Russian
hookers. I mean, yeah, there was

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a lot, a lot of accusations.

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Right. So this dissent, but at
the same time, he wasn't hauled

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off to jail like Bill Cosby was
not when I say trumped up

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charge. Oh, the fifth. His
protections of his fifth

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amendment right. were violated
and nobody stepped up to say

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Bill

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Cosby actually got arrested

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right around the ranch the perp
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stuff normally works. Normally
is worse than somebody who's

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caliber. The Lauria picks up the
phone a bill is gonna come

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through the back door 5pm you
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this done. We you see the perp
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out and juxtapose it to when you
see people like, what's the

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guy's name that Trump's got? got
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for Trump. Manafort. Roger
stones, it's like six in the

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morning poem kicking down the
door right on the Mount

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innocent. When you see that that
is a media spectacle. Yes, what

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was done to Beal right. And I
want I want to make this last

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point is with Tiger Woods. Tiger
Woods did nothing illegal? No.

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He just had an

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affair.

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Well, what same thing? It was
1820 2730 women, Kamala Yeah, it

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was Tiger Woods, Tiger Woods,
girlfriend. So when you see

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these things, this plays on the
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to say just as the guy now
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lot of men, celebrities, who
have indeed have a lot of sexual

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relations with a lot of women.
Correct? Do I'm not saying that

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that didn't happen.

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I know what I'm saying the way
it was covered. They were saying

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like, it's like, they do this
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where the front page is like
pitcher, a pitcher like blocking

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the block of the block percent
of women. And it's like, you

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know, this is his hitless. But
this plays into the narrative

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that specifically black men are
sexual predators, and which

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plays into the history of
lynching and all the other stuff

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that comes with it. So don't let
that be lost on you. I hear you

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when this is saying it's like
What the hell's going on here?

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Hear me like, you don't see Les
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walked in and treated in the
manner that Bill Cosby is and we

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still saying that two things can
be true at the same time. So now

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we're going to go over to

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Harvey Weinstein did get perp
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Of course he was given up.
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versus not pulling all the
strings in the New World Order.

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Right. He's somebody got to draw
the short straw. I think the

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same thing with Matt made off
right. made off ran all this by

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myself. Come on. I mean, I think
they sit in the room, either.

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It's like, Okay, you got to take
this case. Sorry, Bernie.

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Bright, you know, saying you got
to take this case in my is like,

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where my kids gonna be alright.
Yeah. grandkids. Yeah, yeah,

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they're good. All right, I'll
take it. Or is cool. Can we put

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up on the altar to be sacrifice?
I don't know which which case it

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is. But I just think these
people are representative of a

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problem that they try to present
is being taken care of?

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Well, on that same with all
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Of course, yeah, we may. We may
call the cases in the wire.

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Exactly. I was thinking I didn't

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want to say it. But yeah, ever
since I've seen the wire now. I

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get it. Gotcha. Got him. We got
him. Folks. We are all the way.

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So let's get into now we're
gonna go to CBS This Morning

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with Gail and she's speaking to
glory are rich.

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We're joined now by Janice Baker
Kenny, who took the stand as a

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witness in Bill Cosby's 2018
trial. she testified that she

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was sexually assaulted by the
actor in the 80s. And her lawyer

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Gloria. All right, who
represents dozens of women

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accused who have accused Bill
Cosby of assault. Good morning

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to you both. Janice, I want to
start with you. Because last

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night it was reported that you
were processing this this latest

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turn of events. What's your
reaction today? And how are you

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feeling?

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Well, good morning, Gail. I'm
still processing everything

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that's going on. I just need to
remember now. It's almost like a

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mantra for me that he was
released on a legal technicality

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and not because he's innocent.
He is not innocent. He'll never

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be innocent, and I need to hold
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So what Would justice look like
to you now? Because he is

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claiming that he is innocent.
He's claiming claiming that

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justice has been served.

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He's going to always claim he
was innocent that that story, he

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has never changed. But the 60
plus women that have come

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forward, we all know the truth.
So his legacy is will never be

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what it used to be. So a little
bit of justice served there. He

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just served two years, a little
bit of justice in the fact that

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he is a disgraced former
America's dad. I can live with

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that.

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Wow. Yeah. That was, that was
unnecessary roughness on the

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play.

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If you want to take down the
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you might as well do it that
way. I'm just bringing down

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America's dad. Now America's

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Dad, this is all about it does
have a tinge of race to it, just

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because of who was the victims
or alleged victims, and who was

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the perpetrator? But I think
this was a design hit on the

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patriarchy itself, being she's
not America's black dad. Right.

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Now, Bill Cosby was America's
dad, if you had any family,

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especially in the black
community, you know, the father

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was intact, and they were
productive. I would like the

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Cosby's, that was a literal
statement. Because I'm one of

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those cases. No, my family was
calling like, oh, you're like

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the Cosby's. Seriously? Well, I

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think I think in my family, we
probably certainly to my dad's

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why can she be more like Mr.
Huxtable? If you want to take

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down the patriarchy. You got to
come at the top. That's

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interesting. And even in this
she said that he has not

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admitted anything. Something
like that. He'll always say he's

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not he's always say he's
innocent. I, again, I'm glad

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you're doing this because I
really have no other knowledge

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other than he admitted to
something really crappy that he

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did. And that's why he went in,
and it's for the, for all the

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technicalities, why he's getting
out, but that at some point, he

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did admit to something really
bad.

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And that's the point right there
is what do you hear? I meant to

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the fact that you can't tell me
right offhand. And you are a

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media deconstructionist sandbox,
right? Yep. It was never

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discussed what he meant to is
this, he admitted to it. You

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know, it's like he, you know,
what do you admit to he admitted

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to it? And if he admitted to it,
and he has to be guilty? It is,

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but it's like, what did he admit
to? And we're gonna get to that,

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but I just want to get this is
to means he's gonna go the one

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that thing that he admitted to
it, they're just gonna roll it

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that they never pull out the
transcripts. And if there aren't

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class stuff in there, that says,
I know did everything you were

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accusing me of him? You know,
just but I'm gonna say an

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uncivil trout, to protect myself
from legal

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ramifications.

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We have room for legal
ramifications, then I'll admit

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to it right. But he never said
that. Oh, mainstream media never

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said that. And they never wrote
out the transcripts and show

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them exactly a minute to it's
just that he admitted to it. You

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know, but what? And then the
other thing is that, um, legal

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technicality, legal
technicalities, right, right.

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Well, if you should never been
on trial, is that a

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technicality? You mean like,
actually, you know, but they're

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gonna run this meet these two
means into the ground. So I just

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want to make people aware. Like
I say, I know this may be

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triggering for some people. But
But the reason why we do this is

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because there's a deeper story
there. And there's many

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characters more than being
missed the glory alread. So

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let's hear from her and clip
number five.

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Korea to Anthony, in your view,
is this decision is a setback to

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the metoo movement. Now,
Anthony, I

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don't think it is at all, there
are many women who continue to

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come forward. Many persons who
allege that they are victims,

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for example of our Kelly, of
Harvey Weinstein in Los Angeles,

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have many other figures and they
women are now empowered in the

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way they never were before.
Janice was very brave when she

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testified. I'm so proud of her.
And it is, you know, a shock.

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But it's also very clear that
the Pennsylvania Supreme Court

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did not make a decision that Mr.
Cosby did not do what he was

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accused of doing. It was based
on a legal technicality on

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issues of due process. And it
was not based on the merits and

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the evidence as to whether he
did it or not actually to the

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contrary. The court talked about
the statements that Mr. Cosby

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made in the deposition in the
civil lawsuit brought by Andrea

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constant and called those
statements incriminating.

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Gloria, you represent an accuser
in California who's filed a

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civil case against Bill Cosby.
Does this decision affect that

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case? In any way?

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We're gonna find that out. Laura
otter, it's very fascinating

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character here. No, yeah. She
represents 33 of the Bill Cosby

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accusers course. Now all read.
Now I'm not gonna go here. It

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was perfect for the theorem,
theorem, theorem theorem, but

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it's gonna get there. I'm red on
red. They see the Red Queen, Red

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Queen. Yeah, as in the game of
chess, or I mean, it's the Red

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Queen is able to move swiftly
and effortlessly. And then the

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other thing about that is she's
viewed as an antagonist in the

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story. And she's the queen for
the side opposing Alice. See?

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I'm throwing it in for you now.
I appreciate that.

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I like it. I mean, I, I have
really come around to the to the

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witchcraft and the spells of the
world Mo, I mean, right down to

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the Pfizer name change on the on
the vaccine, like, these are all

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spells.

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The reason why I say Is she the
Red Queen, because she really

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working to take these powerful
men down? Or is she just a

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person in the role to play in a
certain role is that she's

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actually um, portraying just
portraying a role. She's,

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she's a hired gun, she'll do
whatever one way.

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In what way? Do you mean that?
It just came out of curiosity,

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curiosity.

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This Well, this is what she
does. She represents almost

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class action level suits of
women against men. I mean, this

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is what I've seen her do
throughout her career.

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Certain mean, pain. Are you
aware who our daughter is?

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Yes, yes. Also a lawyer. I
forget. I mean, the balloon?

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Yeah. Yeah.

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She's an American attorney.
Yeah. No, for advising Harvey

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Weinstein. St. Stephen. Yes.
sexual abuse allegations. Now,

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how is it? How is it that you're
for women's rights? And me to,

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and your daughter's over here?
She's also does the same similar

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kind of work. But when Harvey
Weinstein needs to be advised,

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they work to advise them?

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Yeah, no, this is this was very
controversial at the time.

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Yeah, I'm just throwing it out
there. I mean, just like, Who

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are these people? And what roles
are they playing? And I just

439
00:27:41,340 --> 00:27:44,850
find it out that you might say
all red, all red. I mean, that's

440
00:27:44,850 --> 00:27:49,230
her name. She actually plays
into that with her attire. She's

441
00:27:49,230 --> 00:27:51,210
always wearing red. That's
correct.

442
00:27:51,270 --> 00:27:54,540
That's which is very power power
move to have a suit like that. I

443
00:27:54,540 --> 00:27:57,750
mean, in general, I would say if
all red or bloom come your way,

444
00:27:57,780 --> 00:28:00,990
you know, you need to leave. You
just need to get out of the way.

445
00:28:00,990 --> 00:28:04,620
If you see those common leave.
I've always felt that way. But

446
00:28:04,620 --> 00:28:06,060
so and then my other question

447
00:28:06,060 --> 00:28:11,940
is, did they bring in it's just
just a wildcard question. Did

448
00:28:11,940 --> 00:28:15,150
they let Bill Cosby out so they
can run him through the meal?

449
00:28:15,150 --> 00:28:19,140
Again, I'm civil trials, before
he passes away, when he dies,

450
00:28:19,140 --> 00:28:24,450
his his catalogue is gonna go up
in value. It's like, do we milk

451
00:28:24,450 --> 00:28:27,120
them now while he's still
living? But we can't do that

452
00:28:27,120 --> 00:28:28,170
while he's in jail?

453
00:28:29,280 --> 00:28:33,330
Well, I mean, there's also a
personal fame and fortune thing

454
00:28:33,750 --> 00:28:38,610
for already in bloom, as for a
lot of people, so there could be

455
00:28:38,610 --> 00:28:44,220
many, many motivating factors.
For them doing this. And from

456
00:28:44,220 --> 00:28:47,130
the legal standpoint, I can't
really say But yeah, it's

457
00:28:47,130 --> 00:28:48,780
totally seems possible, they
would do that

458
00:28:49,560 --> 00:28:54,030
extra business extra. Yeah,
sure. But from a from, from a

459
00:28:54,030 --> 00:28:57,330
business standpoint, and this
was this was fascinating. I was

460
00:28:57,330 --> 00:28:59,970
really excited about doing a
show with you, because you could

461
00:28:59,970 --> 00:29:03,240
tell me about the entertainment
side. Yeah. Well, is it true

462
00:29:03,270 --> 00:29:06,990
when a person dies? their
catalog goes up in value,

463
00:29:06,990 --> 00:29:07,590
correct? in

464
00:29:07,590 --> 00:29:11,310
general? Yeah. In general, but I
mean, the catalog, it kind of

465
00:29:11,310 --> 00:29:14,130
depends on what you're saying is
the catalog. I mean, that would

466
00:29:14,130 --> 00:29:17,490
be a boost. But first of all,
you know, Cosby stuff was taken

467
00:29:17,550 --> 00:29:21,120
off the air when this happened
when all this came down. I mean,

468
00:29:21,120 --> 00:29:24,810
he was you know, a version of
mainstream D platforming. And I

469
00:29:24,810 --> 00:29:27,930
think the took The Cosby Show
off some of the older TV

470
00:29:27,930 --> 00:29:34,050
networks, but will it go up?
Yeah, I mean, yeah, but yes, I

471
00:29:34,050 --> 00:29:38,640
mean answer Yes. It basically
content we already paid for 40

472
00:29:38,640 --> 00:29:42,000
years 30 years ago will be
valuable again,

473
00:29:42,450 --> 00:29:46,830
and I feel okay, watch it not
me. But as a just a typical

474
00:29:46,830 --> 00:29:51,510
black person. You're saying I'll
put that in huge air quotes. Um,

475
00:29:51,570 --> 00:29:54,960
I feel okay. Well, Washington
Yeah, cuz bill got off. Because

476
00:29:54,960 --> 00:29:56,280
I put me back on TV. He

477
00:29:56,280 --> 00:30:00,270
got off. He was railroaded.
Well, you you got some I'm not

478
00:30:00,270 --> 00:30:02,490
ready for that conclusion yet.
You got it, we got some more

479
00:30:02,490 --> 00:30:03,780
convincing to do on what we're

480
00:30:04,560 --> 00:30:06,900
saying is just if I'm just
paying attention to the media

481
00:30:06,900 --> 00:30:12,360
cycle. Oh, no, but they didn't
do that. No, it See, I'm gonna

482
00:30:12,420 --> 00:30:17,430
I'm the point I'm making is that
it could be both ways on both

483
00:30:17,430 --> 00:30:21,810
sides. If I am a person that is
a Bill Cosby fan, and I want to

484
00:30:21,810 --> 00:30:24,270
watch The Cosby Show, I feel
good about Washington again,

485
00:30:24,270 --> 00:30:27,930
because he was let off. Right?
He didn't do it. He didn't do I

486
00:30:27,930 --> 00:30:32,310
mean in my in our fans mind. So
they feel okay with watching the

487
00:30:32,310 --> 00:30:32,910
show again.

488
00:30:33,150 --> 00:30:36,120
Yeah, but did the fans here he
didn't do what are the fans

489
00:30:36,150 --> 00:30:38,700
here? He did it. But he got off
on the technicality.

490
00:30:39,780 --> 00:30:42,870
The same way some people are
saying he will always be guilty.

491
00:30:43,170 --> 00:30:45,810
Yeah, he only got off on a
technicality. The other side

492
00:30:45,810 --> 00:30:51,390
would be that he got he beat the
system. Mm hmm. So I'm just

493
00:30:51,390 --> 00:30:53,940
coming to tell and we saw this
with the oj case, you know, that

494
00:30:53,940 --> 00:30:58,830
kind of thing. That it's like,
okay, he beat the system. That's

495
00:30:58,890 --> 00:31:01,770
when you know, we can go back to
Washington and feel good about

496
00:31:01,770 --> 00:31:04,950
watching him. And maybe the
powers that be is like, Hey, we

497
00:31:04,950 --> 00:31:07,560
are product here. We can get it
while he's still living. He's

498
00:31:07,560 --> 00:31:09,390
fighting all these cases, he
might sell pennies on the

499
00:31:09,390 --> 00:31:13,440
dollar. I'm just throwing out as
a as a as a possible reason why

500
00:31:13,440 --> 00:31:17,160
he was led out, you know, just
pure speculation, but it made no

501
00:31:17,160 --> 00:31:19,260
sense for him to be late, when
the timing

502
00:31:19,260 --> 00:31:20,760
of it was very weird.

503
00:31:21,509 --> 00:31:24,989
Very weird. And you hear what
Gloria alreay she's talking

504
00:31:24,989 --> 00:31:28,439
about other cases, she has
pending civil on to civil court.

505
00:31:29,819 --> 00:31:34,199
And another thing she did to
lean back to that, um, that

506
00:31:34,199 --> 00:31:38,909
predatorial blackmailed trope is
invoke our caddy Kelly

507
00:31:38,939 --> 00:31:41,909
immediately. Now you got all
these others. And another

508
00:31:41,910 --> 00:31:44,220
one I forgot about. Yeah, our
Kelly. Sure.

509
00:31:44,549 --> 00:31:50,459
And you notice, bill gets out.
Our Kelly trial ramps up? Yes,

510
00:31:50,459 --> 00:31:56,879
that's true. So I'm just telling
you how it's perceived. See, I

511
00:31:56,879 --> 00:32:00,659
mean, it's kind of I can
perceive it how some black

512
00:32:00,659 --> 00:32:04,079
people and like I said, some
men's rights people. Have you

513
00:32:04,079 --> 00:32:07,439
want to slice it, Kate can look
at Black, you know, what, they

514
00:32:07,439 --> 00:32:11,999
railroad it view. We're going to
take him up as a hero, you know,

515
00:32:11,999 --> 00:32:14,609
so and that was kind of the
thing was, but when he was

516
00:32:14,609 --> 00:32:15,569
released, like now

517
00:32:15,570 --> 00:32:19,680
just say that, okay, gotcha. But
let's just take our Kelly's an

518
00:32:19,680 --> 00:32:25,470
example. Only for me. And I
think for most, but you say are

519
00:32:25,470 --> 00:32:27,510
Kelly's like, oh, there's a
black man Who did that? It's

520
00:32:27,510 --> 00:32:30,690
like, no, here's a creepy
entertainer, guy who did that,

521
00:32:30,960 --> 00:32:35,850
too. I understand the perception
from from. If you're talking

522
00:32:35,850 --> 00:32:39,600
about yourself, I completely
understand the perception. Boy,

523
00:32:39,630 --> 00:32:43,770
I that's not how I was thinking
at all. In fact, of course, I

524
00:32:43,770 --> 00:32:46,620
also don't think that way about
Bill Cosby. You know, it's like,

525
00:32:46,890 --> 00:32:50,430
it's not none of that was racial
in my mind until you came along.

526
00:32:50,730 --> 00:32:54,180
I'm sorry. It wasn't racial
until you

527
00:32:54,210 --> 00:32:58,050
made it that way. Okay. This is
why these stories are so great

528
00:32:58,050 --> 00:33:02,340
to be used by the media, because
it can mean different things to

529
00:33:02,340 --> 00:33:05,490
different people, it may take
away, whatever that you're

530
00:33:05,490 --> 00:33:08,760
saying, however, they're
invested in the story, right? A

531
00:33:08,910 --> 00:33:15,930
older man might say a younger
man, but I see told you women

532
00:33:15,930 --> 00:33:18,660
rights and feminists, you know,
they hate me, and it can be

533
00:33:18,660 --> 00:33:21,720
taken any way. And then it's
amazing that Black Lives Matter

534
00:33:21,720 --> 00:33:29,460
didn't come to build the fence.
Yeah. I'm just telling you that

535
00:33:29,700 --> 00:33:33,630
these are why these stories is
this, I believe, is because they

536
00:33:33,630 --> 00:33:38,490
can get you engaged in it
emotionally and when you're

537
00:33:38,490 --> 00:33:42,450
engaged emotionally, because it
makes it more easy for the spell

538
00:33:42,450 --> 00:33:49,710
to be acted on. So that matches
my this is my two cents. Yeah.

539
00:33:49,799 --> 00:33:52,799
Oh, what you said America's dad,
then all of a sudden, yeah, that

540
00:33:52,799 --> 00:33:55,949
part started. And that and
totally from a patriarchy

541
00:33:55,949 --> 00:33:57,239
standpoint. Gotcha.

542
00:33:57,779 --> 00:34:00,809
All right, totally. So I guess
we can go and wrap up with the

543
00:34:00,809 --> 00:34:02,189
final our rich clip.

544
00:34:02,340 --> 00:34:05,490
Does this decision affect the
VAT case in any way?

545
00:34:06,990 --> 00:34:13,230
It does, actually, because now
that he is a free man. And now

546
00:34:13,230 --> 00:34:20,160
that he cannot be retried, he
cannot claim or invoke his fifth

547
00:34:20,160 --> 00:34:24,930
amendment privilege against
incrimination and declined to

548
00:34:24,930 --> 00:34:30,240
testify in our civil lawsuit
which alleges that our client

549
00:34:30,240 --> 00:34:36,450
duty hot was victimized was a
victim of child sexual abuse by

550
00:34:36,450 --> 00:34:41,460
Mr. Cosby at the Playboy
Mansion. We have an order

551
00:34:41,460 --> 00:34:45,030
compelling him to sit for a
second deposition first is

552
00:34:45,030 --> 00:34:49,110
underseal. In this second
deposition, which we intend to

553
00:34:49,110 --> 00:34:54,360
take prior to trial, we intend
to ask him many many questions

554
00:34:54,360 --> 00:34:57,450
under oath he is going to be
compelled to answer them because

555
00:34:57,450 --> 00:35:01,020
he can't invoke his fifth
amendment. privilege against

556
00:35:01,140 --> 00:35:02,460
self incrimination.

557
00:35:02,520 --> 00:35:06,480
Hey, Janice, it's Tony to COBOL.
It takes a toll on a person to

558
00:35:06,480 --> 00:35:08,970
come forward in a case like
this, it takes a toll on a

559
00:35:08,970 --> 00:35:12,780
person to testify at trial. I'm
curious, knowing what you know

560
00:35:12,780 --> 00:35:16,440
now about the outcome, would you
still go back and take the

561
00:35:16,440 --> 00:35:18,960
stand? And what would you say to
other women who may be

562
00:35:18,960 --> 00:35:21,090
hesitating in different cases
right now?

563
00:35:21,240 --> 00:35:26,490
Well, I would go back in a New
York minute. And it's because of

564
00:35:26,490 --> 00:35:31,440
the support of all the survivor
sisters. We're this loving group

565
00:35:31,440 --> 00:35:36,720
that will reach out to anyone to
help them come forward, like

566
00:35:37,320 --> 00:35:40,560
many of us get the survivor
sisters,

567
00:35:40,800 --> 00:35:44,820
survivor sisters, like 60 of
them, they get together and they

568
00:35:44,820 --> 00:35:49,620
have little, which we have
meanings. And and if they're

569
00:35:49,620 --> 00:35:53,370
actually survivors, maybe it's a
coping mechanism for them. But I

570
00:35:53,370 --> 00:35:58,020
just find it convenient that
Maria has all these charges me

571
00:35:58,020 --> 00:36:02,040
all these criminal civil cases
lined up, and she said he cannot

572
00:36:02,040 --> 00:36:05,670
use this tip amendment to
protect him he has to testify.

573
00:36:06,030 --> 00:36:13,440
And we have an old aging for our
eyes. No, it seems kind of like

574
00:36:13,440 --> 00:36:15,990
frail and feeble. I mean, I
don't use I don't use those

575
00:36:15,990 --> 00:36:21,090
disrespectfully, but get them on
that stand. Or allude to

576
00:36:21,090 --> 00:36:25,500
whatever he made it to in the
cases. In the previous case, he

577
00:36:25,500 --> 00:36:29,640
has to be guilty he has but you
guys saw my current 1000 200,500

578
00:36:29,670 --> 00:36:31,590
you're saying he's like,
training him?

579
00:36:31,649 --> 00:36:34,529
Oh, you already paid 3 million.
I think the first the first she

580
00:36:34,979 --> 00:36:37,409
got more lined up. And she just
said hey,

581
00:36:38,670 --> 00:36:44,670
the thing you rang the bell? Now
this Playboy Club allegation for

582
00:36:44,670 --> 00:36:49,980
the Playboy Mansion. Do you know
what year this is from? Will

583
00:36:49,980 --> 00:36:53,070
we'll get into that? I just
wanted to say cuz I've seen some

584
00:36:53,070 --> 00:37:01,560
old playboy TV shows with Cosby.
We'll get into that too. Well,

585
00:37:01,560 --> 00:37:07,170
because it's like he was a
player man. He was a player. The

586
00:37:07,170 --> 00:37:12,480
whole show like, it's just like,
super, like sophisticated, but

587
00:37:12,480 --> 00:37:16,200
sexy and shit. And you know,
I've never been to the Playboy

588
00:37:16,200 --> 00:37:20,010
Mansion. I know plenty of people
have their sex going on there.

589
00:37:20,490 --> 00:37:22,170
In their grotto everywhere. I

590
00:37:22,170 --> 00:37:25,770
mean, come on America's
warehouse. Let's just call it

591
00:37:25,770 --> 00:37:29,550
what I mean. Pretty much that's
exactly what it is. Because you

592
00:37:29,550 --> 00:37:31,740
know when you go there, it's
like everything's prepaid

593
00:37:31,740 --> 00:37:32,040
though.

594
00:37:32,340 --> 00:37:36,240
Yeah, that's not exactly true
because they're special. You

595
00:37:36,240 --> 00:37:40,590
have two boys special playboy
coins. And you know and so you

596
00:37:40,590 --> 00:37:48,360
can pay for stuff with that. I'm
reliable. Like Bitcoin.

597
00:37:50,190 --> 00:37:55,350
Hello, America's whorehouse. And
we're going to get into the

598
00:37:56,490 --> 00:37:59,340
we're going there. We're going
on. And I wasn't going to do

599
00:37:59,340 --> 00:38:02,550
this show if I couldn't go all
the way there. But the Playboy

600
00:38:02,550 --> 00:38:06,210
Mansion plays white money's the
Red Queen. Oh, yeah, we going

601
00:38:06,210 --> 00:38:10,230
all the way there. So bring it
bring it Allison to Wonderland.

602
00:38:10,950 --> 00:38:13,170
We're going down the rabbit hole
because I would I went down a

603
00:38:13,170 --> 00:38:17,640
serious one with this with the
show. So now we're gonna go over

604
00:38:17,640 --> 00:38:23,220
to the prosecutor that took Bill
Cosby down and that is one Miss

605
00:38:23,220 --> 00:38:29,730
Christine Gibbons of fending. So
she's on msnbc. So let's go and

606
00:38:29,730 --> 00:38:30,510
get to that clip.

607
00:38:31,830 --> 00:38:34,380
It's a lot to take in this
morning, disgraced actor and

608
00:38:34,380 --> 00:38:35,550
comedian Bill Cosby.

609
00:38:37,980 --> 00:38:42,480
I was gonna say one thing, this
is when case first broke. So

610
00:38:42,480 --> 00:38:44,820
we're going back in time, all
right, okay. Okay. I just gotta

611
00:38:44,820 --> 00:38:48,390
I gotta make that clear. So
we're going back as to when this

612
00:38:48,720 --> 00:38:53,610
case started picking up steam
back in 2015 2014. Okay, I don't

613
00:38:53,610 --> 00:38:59,820
know. Excuse me. This is when he
was convicted of the case. This

614
00:38:59,820 --> 00:39:02,580
is not the beginning. But this
is like the middle where he was

615
00:39:02,580 --> 00:39:03,390
actually convicted.

616
00:39:03,510 --> 00:39:06,360
Okay, give us a little sound. We
know we're going back in time.

617
00:39:08,460 --> 00:39:11,010
It's a lot to take in this
morning disgrace actor and

618
00:39:11,010 --> 00:39:14,610
comedian Bill Cosby is waking up
in jail A day after being

619
00:39:14,610 --> 00:39:19,110
sentenced to three to 10 years
in a Pennsylvania prison. months

620
00:39:19,110 --> 00:39:21,900
after he was convicted of
drugging and sexually assaulting

621
00:39:21,930 --> 00:39:26,190
Andrea constant back in 2000.
For the 81 year old led away in

622
00:39:26,190 --> 00:39:30,120
handcuffs after a judge ruled
he's a sexually violent

623
00:39:30,150 --> 00:39:33,720
predator. Kristen Givens fed up
with the prosecutor in the case.

624
00:39:33,960 --> 00:39:37,710
She joins me now. Kristen, you
are the one who went to Andrea

625
00:39:37,710 --> 00:39:41,460
constant three years ago. Has
justice been served? Did you

626
00:39:41,460 --> 00:39:44,970
think this day would happen when
you started working on all of

627
00:39:44,970 --> 00:39:49,140
this, especially given what a
superstar an icon Bill Cosby

628
00:39:49,140 --> 00:39:55,440
was? It's interesting that you
asked that question. When we

629
00:39:55,440 --> 00:40:00,240
decided to charge Bill Cosby and
when I spoke with Adrienne met

630
00:40:00,240 --> 00:40:04,560
her and saw how steadfast she
was how brave how courageous she

631
00:40:04,560 --> 00:40:07,740
was. I knew that regardless of
the result, Justice would be

632
00:40:07,740 --> 00:40:11,190
served, her message would be set
forth her story would be told,

633
00:40:11,250 --> 00:40:14,070
and she would be able to
confront Bill Cosby as a

634
00:40:14,070 --> 00:40:18,120
sexually pret as a sexual
predator that he was when he

635
00:40:18,150 --> 00:40:21,270
sexually assaulted and drugged
her that night. Did the me to

636
00:40:21,270 --> 00:40:25,890
movement have an impact on this
trial? Well, during the voir

637
00:40:25,890 --> 00:40:28,710
dire process, all of the jurors
were asked if they could remain

638
00:40:29,130 --> 00:40:32,160
fair and impartial and put
anything that they may have

639
00:40:32,160 --> 00:40:35,160
heard about the me to movement
to the side, and I do believe

640
00:40:35,160 --> 00:40:38,670
that they were able to do that.
But in terms of the support and

641
00:40:38,670 --> 00:40:41,970
the advocacy that she that she
received under constant received

642
00:40:41,970 --> 00:40:45,690
in the public's eye, I think it
had definitely a significant

643
00:40:45,690 --> 00:40:48,060
impact in that regard. Mm hmm.

644
00:40:48,090 --> 00:40:53,430
Bullshit, excuse my language.
How can any man at that time get

645
00:40:53,430 --> 00:40:58,410
a fair trial with the whole me
two, whirlwind swirling? It's

646
00:40:58,410 --> 00:41:02,460
not happening? So that was a
very disingenuous question. And

647
00:41:02,460 --> 00:41:05,940
another thing is now I'll turn
it over to you, Krista. I'm

648
00:41:05,940 --> 00:41:10,470
excuse me, Stephanie ruhle asked
her saying she said, you

649
00:41:10,470 --> 00:41:13,890
approach the victim, you went to
the victim. So it's not like the

650
00:41:13,890 --> 00:41:17,340
victim came out of that, you
know, out of the Woodworks and

651
00:41:17,340 --> 00:41:21,120
was like, Oh, I want justice.
She already got her justice with

652
00:41:21,120 --> 00:41:25,320
the civil case. And how does
this Stephanie or excuse me,

653
00:41:25,350 --> 00:41:30,030
Christine Gibbons tenon who is a
black woman, allegedly? I'm just

654
00:41:30,030 --> 00:41:34,590
saying appears to be I don't
know, she's a das or not. But

655
00:41:34,590 --> 00:41:38,820
she she's appears to be a black
woman. How do you not know about

656
00:41:38,820 --> 00:41:41,610
his fifth, Fifth Amendment
rights and how they're being

657
00:41:41,610 --> 00:41:44,940
violated? I mean, this this is
what this is, what perplexes a

658
00:41:44,940 --> 00:41:49,050
lot of people, and it's not like
you're making me defend bill, I

659
00:41:49,050 --> 00:41:52,350
don't want to defend bill, you
know, cuz if he did what he said

660
00:41:52,350 --> 00:41:56,010
accused of, there's no defense
of that. But at the same time,

661
00:41:56,010 --> 00:41:58,620
it's like, hold on, where you
can't violate people's rights to

662
00:41:58,620 --> 00:42:04,050
get them. Um, because if that
were, if justice breaks down,

663
00:42:04,740 --> 00:42:06,060
and we have no shot at all,

664
00:42:06,120 --> 00:42:10,110
what you're doing here is
something very difficult. I

665
00:42:10,110 --> 00:42:13,080
mean, you are a black man
defending a black man or

666
00:42:13,080 --> 00:42:18,360
something he was convicted if
narratively convicted of Ben and

667
00:42:18,360 --> 00:42:20,070
led off on a technicality.

668
00:42:21,510 --> 00:42:23,220
Which he shouldn't ever been on
trial in the first

669
00:42:23,220 --> 00:42:27,270
place. And this is part of the
defense that is that, you know,

670
00:42:27,300 --> 00:42:31,020
people cannot process what
you're saying when you say that,

671
00:42:31,470 --> 00:42:35,370
but they haven't. I'm gonna say
this. On the flip side of that

672
00:42:35,370 --> 00:42:42,150
coin, we've seen certain white
man why society says hands off,

673
00:42:42,150 --> 00:42:46,830
you can't have him out, I don't
care what he said what he did.

674
00:42:46,830 --> 00:42:50,580
And we saw this was 45 Savage.
People didn't care what he did,

675
00:42:50,700 --> 00:42:54,060
what he was accused of is like
he that's our guy, you know,

676
00:42:54,060 --> 00:42:58,410
saying like, no matter what, but
I'll just go back to Bill no

677
00:42:58,410 --> 00:43:04,290
matter what Bill did this next
sum total. He's good for our

678
00:43:04,290 --> 00:43:07,230
society. And if he did do it,
let us handle okay.

679
00:43:07,470 --> 00:43:11,430
So there's a little extra piece
of that from the narrative. And

680
00:43:11,430 --> 00:43:14,340
I'm only speaking from the
narrative that I've that I've

681
00:43:14,370 --> 00:43:18,630
caught and followed, you know,
in the past 20 years, and part

682
00:43:18,630 --> 00:43:22,530
of that narrative was Bill Cosby
is wagging his finger at

683
00:43:22,530 --> 00:43:25,950
everybody telling everybody what
to do. Now, this could have also

684
00:43:25,950 --> 00:43:29,640
been completely narrative
driven. I have some personal

685
00:43:29,640 --> 00:43:33,570
experiences where, you know, he
definitely is an arrogant,

686
00:43:33,690 --> 00:43:37,590
arrogant guy. And he's an
asshole. Excuse my language. I

687
00:43:37,590 --> 00:43:43,380
mean, I have the proof. I mean,
you've heard the you've heard

688
00:43:43,380 --> 00:43:46,950
the Chris, know that Eddie
Murphy story when Bill Cosby

689
00:43:46,950 --> 00:43:49,800
bitched him out and all this
crazy stuff. So we've heard all

690
00:43:49,800 --> 00:43:55,170
that. That's completely tainted
and part of the human nature,

691
00:43:55,290 --> 00:43:58,890
certainly when it comes to
celebrity, is, you know,

692
00:43:59,730 --> 00:44:02,280
celebrities are, it's like the
blue checkmark, you know, it's

693
00:44:02,280 --> 00:44:06,480
like, Hey, we're just waiting
for someone to mess up. And you

694
00:44:06,480 --> 00:44:10,380
know, there's a lot of reasons
to hate Bill Cosby. Now there's

695
00:44:10,380 --> 00:44:13,470
a lot of reasons to love Bill
Cosby. But over the years the

696
00:44:13,470 --> 00:44:17,220
past 20 years I think it really
culminated with the pull your

697
00:44:17,220 --> 00:44:21,480
pants up, although I agree with
it. I liked that. They pull the

698
00:44:21,480 --> 00:44:30,120
pants up, son Shut up. That that
was priming priming. Oh, yeah, I

699
00:44:30,120 --> 00:44:33,630
was primer for what happened for
the for the response where

700
00:44:33,630 --> 00:44:39,240
people have told of course, that
guy did that a douche. So yeah,

701
00:44:39,240 --> 00:44:41,070
and that's, I think it's a human
response.

702
00:44:41,520 --> 00:44:45,990
But I'll say this is many and
this is a loosely based

703
00:44:46,440 --> 00:44:49,860
comparison. But we've seen where
guys have been victim of

704
00:44:49,860 --> 00:44:53,670
shootings, cop shootings, that
have a rap sheet, and Black

705
00:44:53,670 --> 00:44:58,500
Lives Matter still does mental
gymnastics to make a case for

706
00:44:58,500 --> 00:45:03,000
these people. to why they need
to be held as heroes and be

707
00:45:03,000 --> 00:45:04,440
protected. So it's like,

708
00:45:04,470 --> 00:45:07,560
oh, yeah, like Black Lives
Matter was nowhere to be found

709
00:45:07,560 --> 00:45:08,910
on this. That's my

710
00:45:08,910 --> 00:45:11,490
point. It's not No, I'm not
looking for white society to

711
00:45:11,490 --> 00:45:15,960
protect you. But it's black. But
you hit on a very important

712
00:45:15,960 --> 00:45:20,580
point that he made himself no
friends. And it makes it easy

713
00:45:20,580 --> 00:45:23,910
for him to be protected, right.
But nonetheless, my thing with

714
00:45:23,910 --> 00:45:27,690
this case is if we can violate
one person's rights, especially

715
00:45:27,720 --> 00:45:33,960
of that size on both sides, how
can she with good heart? I'm

716
00:45:33,960 --> 00:45:37,350
sure there's something similar
to the Hippocratic oath.

717
00:45:40,530 --> 00:45:47,580
No, stop. No, there's no such
thing. No, there is no there is

718
00:45:47,580 --> 00:45:50,850
no such thing. The only thing I
can say is Red Queen have black

719
00:45:50,850 --> 00:45:52,770
heart, listening, that's for

720
00:45:52,770 --> 00:45:55,830
sure. I know there's a producer
out there. It has to be

721
00:45:55,830 --> 00:45:59,340
somewhere that you have to act
in good faith know, when dealing

722
00:45:59,340 --> 00:46:02,250
with crap. Don't you like when
you had to recuse yourself and

723
00:46:02,250 --> 00:46:05,100
all of that? I mean, isn't that
part of it? Like, Hey, I know

724
00:46:05,100 --> 00:46:08,010
it's wrong. I know. It's my
brother in law. My brother in

725
00:46:08,010 --> 00:46:09,750
law's business I can't
participate

726
00:46:09,750 --> 00:46:11,550
as a conflict of interest. But

727
00:46:12,209 --> 00:46:14,729
okay, I just want to lay that
out. Because this is I'm going

728
00:46:14,729 --> 00:46:19,829
off my once again, my law order
pure suits. Legal legal.

729
00:46:20,940 --> 00:46:27,120
By the way, my my first response
with Cosby, but to response, my

730
00:46:27,120 --> 00:46:31,710
first response was, Oh, well, he
got screwed. So yeah, he

731
00:46:31,710 --> 00:46:34,980
deserves to get let off, you
know, that wild eyed that's rare

732
00:46:34,980 --> 00:46:37,920
that this kind of happens at
that level. And my second

733
00:46:37,920 --> 00:46:41,460
response is, when is this going
to happen? Next Derek Chauvin? I

734
00:46:41,460 --> 00:46:43,080
mean, who is this gonna have
this, you know, these

735
00:46:43,080 --> 00:46:47,370
technicalities? This that's
pretty sloppy. And this so this

736
00:46:47,370 --> 00:46:50,730
could happen with all kinds of
high profile cases, or you can

737
00:46:50,730 --> 00:46:52,560
get railroaded that way too,
obviously.

738
00:46:52,920 --> 00:46:57,180
Right. And that's, that's what
when we speak at justice, we're

739
00:46:57,180 --> 00:47:03,360
talking about fairness, not this
moral. Well, morally, we're

740
00:47:03,360 --> 00:47:05,460
going to do the right thing,
even though it goes against them

741
00:47:05,460 --> 00:47:10,710
saying what loss is now we can't
have that even though even this

742
00:47:10,710 --> 00:47:14,670
case, he came back said two
things can be true, but we can't

743
00:47:14,670 --> 00:47:22,020
let that kind of long legal Miss
character. miscarriage of

744
00:47:22,020 --> 00:47:26,040
justice is what I like to say
happen, because it happened to

745
00:47:26,040 --> 00:47:29,700
him picking up and I have
actually happened to anybody for

746
00:47:29,700 --> 00:47:34,320
anything. So next will be the
statute of limitations go away.

747
00:47:34,410 --> 00:47:37,590
We've seen NDA is basically
become nothing. I mean, with

748
00:47:37,590 --> 00:47:42,390
adults total disintegration of
the legal system, which hasn't

749
00:47:42,390 --> 00:47:45,450
been favorable to people on my
side in the first place was

750
00:47:45,450 --> 00:47:48,660
like, come on. I mean, like he
can't do beer like this. And

751
00:47:48,660 --> 00:47:54,690
I'll say this once again. At
some point and it's a question

752
00:47:54,720 --> 00:48:00,090
it's not a statement. Can a
group stand up me like you can't

753
00:48:00,090 --> 00:48:04,290
have him? We know about Elvis
Elvis Presley. We know about.

754
00:48:04,890 --> 00:48:08,580
You're saying him having a young
wife. You're not getting that

755
00:48:08,580 --> 00:48:12,360
was Presley? I don't care what
Well, I don't care what you say.

756
00:48:13,140 --> 00:48:16,890
Sir. segments of society is not
gonna let me personally be

757
00:48:16,890 --> 00:48:21,630
counseled. And there's other
ones out there. And even when I

758
00:48:21,630 --> 00:48:25,080
go back to our Kelly, it's not
about the people. It's about the

759
00:48:25,080 --> 00:48:28,440
money because they'll put all
our Kelly songs off the radio,

760
00:48:28,770 --> 00:48:33,480
but they'll let Aaliyah songs
play with our Kelly. Mm hmm. How

761
00:48:33,480 --> 00:48:35,910
does that makes it make that
make sense? It's like, Oh, no, I

762
00:48:35,910 --> 00:48:38,070
thought we were taking our kids.
Well, we're no no, that will

763
00:48:38,070 --> 00:48:47,160
affect our lives state. Yeah.
Now, what I'm doing is painting

764
00:48:47,160 --> 00:48:51,180
the picture, while you talk to
somebody, you can see the

765
00:48:51,180 --> 00:48:54,900
frustration or the are the why
this What happened?

766
00:48:55,410 --> 00:49:00,060
Well, so thinking about that
music and music catalog is

767
00:49:00,060 --> 00:49:06,120
definitely more valuable cam is
it is easy to get value from

768
00:49:06,900 --> 00:49:10,680
because people all sudden want
to listen to songs. Although

769
00:49:10,680 --> 00:49:15,060
that's still not what it used to
be. With TV shows, it's very,

770
00:49:15,090 --> 00:49:18,510
very different. I think the
money if we're going after

771
00:49:18,510 --> 00:49:22,200
money, in this case, or
partially, that's Cosby himself.

772
00:49:22,470 --> 00:49:26,490
He has he has a lot of money,
like hundreds and hundreds of

773
00:49:26,490 --> 00:49:27,570
millions of dollars.

774
00:49:27,870 --> 00:49:31,230
Now he's super paid. And but the
other thing is, is with the

775
00:49:31,230 --> 00:49:33,390
content, when you have

776
00:49:34,860 --> 00:49:37,170
he maybe he's probably a
billionaire, by the way, he's

777
00:49:37,170 --> 00:49:38,250
probably a billionaire.

778
00:49:38,729 --> 00:49:45,839
I believe that. But when you see
when you see content focused

779
00:49:46,409 --> 00:49:49,559
platforms like Netflix or
whatever, fill in the blank

780
00:49:49,589 --> 00:49:55,229
Amazon case show has to be worth
a lot of money, because it's

781
00:49:55,229 --> 00:49:57,959
something that you can cut on
and then a mindlessly play in

782
00:49:57,959 --> 00:50:02,159
the background. Which that's all
the Content platforms care about

783
00:50:02,159 --> 00:50:06,119
right? Like office, office, oh,
you're not even really watching

784
00:50:06,119 --> 00:50:11,039
it. But its own right. So I'm
not saying now but I think just

785
00:50:11,129 --> 00:50:14,669
as a business, looking at what a
businessman, they can either

786
00:50:14,669 --> 00:50:17,189
say, guy, let's go buy this
coffee thing for pennies on the

787
00:50:17,189 --> 00:50:20,519
dollar and just sit on it. He'll
come back around, you know,

788
00:50:20,609 --> 00:50:23,819
people forget what it means now
He's never done nothing. I mean,

789
00:50:23,819 --> 00:50:25,859
you look at this case 20 years
from now it's like, oh, yeah, he

790
00:50:25,859 --> 00:50:28,349
was convicted, but he got off.
And that will be the footnote.

791
00:50:29,219 --> 00:50:29,699
So,

792
00:50:30,180 --> 00:50:33,600
right, well, just so you know,
over over the years, The Cosby

793
00:50:33,600 --> 00:50:37,470
Show was test generated,
probably close to $5 billion.

794
00:50:39,480 --> 00:50:43,170
Our movies come on back to back
to back to back, every

795
00:50:43,170 --> 00:50:47,040
afternoon, three or four shows,
and you will sit down and watch

796
00:50:47,040 --> 00:50:50,730
it Martin's the same way certain
certain shows and not community,

797
00:50:50,910 --> 00:50:55,530
quote, unquote, community. Um,
that is just, you can sit down

798
00:50:55,530 --> 00:50:57,990
and watch it over and over
again. And it's because I

799
00:50:57,990 --> 00:51:01,200
remember where I was at when I
saw that. I remember that as a

800
00:51:01,200 --> 00:51:03,030
kid, you know, that kind of
thing. That's why Elvis would

801
00:51:03,030 --> 00:51:05,610
never be counseled. Because
people I remember when I was in

802
00:51:05,610 --> 00:51:08,550
the backseat with Johnny, you're
saying although in the Bluff, he

803
00:51:08,550 --> 00:51:10,560
was saying you can't take that
away from my childhood or my

804
00:51:10,560 --> 00:51:14,820
teenage years. I mean, excuse
me, it's all about that. I mean,

805
00:51:14,820 --> 00:51:18,480
I'm not like, we don't care
about Bill Cosby Be honest. We

806
00:51:18,480 --> 00:51:21,660
don't care about Bill Cosby, the
person. We don't care about

807
00:51:21,690 --> 00:51:26,400
Elvis, the person we were
invested in them, and what their

808
00:51:26,730 --> 00:51:29,730
impact on our childhood memories
are. That's the only reason we

809
00:51:29,730 --> 00:51:37,050
care about these people. True.
So I mean, mini rant. But

810
00:51:37,260 --> 00:51:42,360
fascinating timeline. Let's
Let's listen to when Bill was

811
00:51:42,360 --> 00:51:42,930
convicted.

812
00:51:43,650 --> 00:51:47,040
I say this because I know it's a
completely different situation.

813
00:51:47,220 --> 00:51:50,340
But here we are with with the
Supreme Court Justice nominee

814
00:51:50,340 --> 00:51:53,820
Brett Kavanaugh, he has
accusers, and our own president

815
00:51:53,970 --> 00:51:57,690
is repeating these narratives of
I don't know where people drunk

816
00:51:57,690 --> 00:52:00,780
It was a long time ago, where
were her loving parents, which

817
00:52:00,780 --> 00:52:05,730
is the opposite of what me too
is trying to do. Absolutely. I

818
00:52:05,730 --> 00:52:05,880
think

819
00:52:05,880 --> 00:52:09,900
the me to movement is dynamic.
And even though there are going

820
00:52:09,900 --> 00:52:12,720
to be some people who are going
to continue to assassinate the

821
00:52:12,720 --> 00:52:15,780
character of these sexually
these sexual assault victims.

822
00:52:15,840 --> 00:52:18,810
were some people some of the
most powerful people in the

823
00:52:18,810 --> 00:52:22,050
world. Absolutely. And that's
going to remain. But you know

824
00:52:22,050 --> 00:52:27,660
what? Now, these survivors have
community and they have support.

825
00:52:27,840 --> 00:52:31,140
And with the conviction of Bill
Cosby, they now know that

826
00:52:31,140 --> 00:52:34,440
justice can be served, that
justice can prevail.

827
00:52:35,070 --> 00:52:37,530
And again, I know they're very
different situations. But

828
00:52:37,530 --> 00:52:40,620
tomorrow when Brett Kavanaugh
was accused or Dr. Christine

829
00:52:40,620 --> 00:52:43,320
blasey, Ford is going to be
questioned. They're now bringing

830
00:52:43,320 --> 00:52:46,530
in a sex crime specialist. A
woman who has decades of

831
00:52:46,530 --> 00:52:52,050
experience is due process taking
place here seeing that it is

832
00:52:52,080 --> 00:52:55,380
just Christine Ford, and it is
just Brett Kavanaugh. We're not

833
00:52:55,380 --> 00:52:59,310
subpoena in Mark judge. There is
no FBI investigation. Can she

834
00:52:59,310 --> 00:53:00,510
actually do her job here?

835
00:53:01,500 --> 00:53:06,420
You know, due process is the
opportunity to be heard. And I

836
00:53:06,420 --> 00:53:10,140
admired Dr. Ford given this
constrained process coming

837
00:53:10,140 --> 00:53:14,250
forward under these constraints
being scrutinized in the public

838
00:53:14,250 --> 00:53:18,660
eye and also in the in the in
the in for the Judiciary

839
00:53:18,660 --> 00:53:23,190
Committee, excuse me. Can due
process occur under these

840
00:53:23,190 --> 00:53:24,990
settings? It's gonna remain to
be seen.

841
00:53:26,430 --> 00:53:28,980
It's kind of fun to do this
after the fact because I'd

842
00:53:28,980 --> 00:53:31,710
completely forgotten how that
intersected with the Brett

843
00:53:31,710 --> 00:53:35,190
Kavanaugh supreme court hearing
timeline.

844
00:53:35,430 --> 00:53:38,550
Yeah, Bill. Bill just happens to
be convicted right when

845
00:53:38,550 --> 00:53:44,280
Kavanagh's day before when Blasi
Ford is posed to testify, which

846
00:53:44,310 --> 00:53:47,790
I'll say as a side note, if I
ever seen anybody that could

847
00:53:47,790 --> 00:53:50,400
possibly be MK Archer victim,

848
00:53:50,550 --> 00:53:51,720
it was classy for

849
00:53:52,770 --> 00:53:55,860
this little child for us. I
mean, I'm just saying so yeah.

850
00:53:56,610 --> 00:54:02,370
He gets taken down when when the
20 2016 election is ramping up

851
00:54:02,640 --> 00:54:07,770
to get convicted. Right when you
know right when a Kavanaugh goes

852
00:54:07,770 --> 00:54:10,050
on trial, and Cavanaugh is
another one that has brought

853
00:54:10,050 --> 00:54:12,930
people out of his past and like,
oh, let's just lay it all out

854
00:54:12,930 --> 00:54:16,980
there right now. But you see how
people rallied around him to

855
00:54:16,980 --> 00:54:19,560
protect him. That was that for

856
00:54:19,560 --> 00:54:22,320
me. You better be bringing
clarence thomas into this thing

857
00:54:22,320 --> 00:54:26,790
pretty soon. Got me some long
john silver bet on it.

858
00:54:27,570 --> 00:54:32,100
shot and that's another show for
another day. Similar in the same

859
00:54:32,100 --> 00:54:35,640
case, yeah. And one of the
things that one of the sad

860
00:54:35,640 --> 00:54:41,910
stories I want to point out is,
it's amazing how when the Boulay

861
00:54:43,440 --> 00:54:49,140
turn it back on, you know,
protection. Bills handed out a

862
00:54:49,140 --> 00:54:54,030
lot of those bills you talked
about. And nobody came to his

863
00:54:54,030 --> 00:54:55,860
defense, nobody.

864
00:54:56,490 --> 00:54:58,320
Which could also be just because
everyone thought it was an

865
00:54:58,320 --> 00:55:02,310
incredible deck. Like, yeah,
yeah,

866
00:55:02,340 --> 00:55:08,670
yeah. And steel is certain in
certain cultures, you certain

867
00:55:08,670 --> 00:55:12,000
people that you can't take, if
you gave me a list to say okay,

868
00:55:12,450 --> 00:55:15,360
goes on that list of
untouchable, random black

869
00:55:15,360 --> 00:55:20,940
community prior to this. It will
be like Oprah Obama, Bill Cosby.

870
00:55:20,940 --> 00:55:25,890
You see what I'm saying? Yeah.
You got a beard and get nobody

871
00:55:25,890 --> 00:55:29,220
come out firm that was very
blaring to me. That was like,

872
00:55:29,250 --> 00:55:32,640
wow, this. This is orchestrated
in some kind of way where nobody

873
00:55:32,640 --> 00:55:34,560
took up for him, but also,

874
00:55:35,100 --> 00:55:41,160
for some people who took it up
for him. Who was someone who

875
00:55:41,160 --> 00:55:42,030
worked with him

876
00:55:44,460 --> 00:55:47,370
mostly as well, we will get out
here. There's one person that

877
00:55:47,370 --> 00:55:50,340
took up and we'll get there.
Okay. Okay, so now we're gonna

878
00:55:50,340 --> 00:55:56,790
hop on over to CNN, and this is
a Ilan told me hold Nick. He's a

879
00:55:56,790 --> 00:56:00,960
legal analyst, and he's gonna
slam bill copies, bills Cosby's

880
00:56:00,960 --> 00:56:01,830
prosecutors,

881
00:56:02,100 --> 00:56:05,670
Bill Cosby has not been
exonerated. Nobody has said he

882
00:56:05,670 --> 00:56:09,120
didn't do it. Nobody has said he
is innocent. The people to

883
00:56:09,120 --> 00:56:12,630
blame. Here are the prosecutors.
And there's two aspects to that.

884
00:56:12,720 --> 00:56:16,200
First of all, Bruce Castor, the
district attorney who made this

885
00:56:16,200 --> 00:56:20,190
deal back in 2004 2005, where he
essentially said, I don't

886
00:56:20,190 --> 00:56:22,890
believe we have enough evidence
to prosecute him criminally.

887
00:56:23,100 --> 00:56:26,910
that enabled Bill Cosby forced
Bill Cosby to testify in his

888
00:56:26,910 --> 00:56:29,940
criminal deposition. That's why
that's the deal that Bruce

889
00:56:29,940 --> 00:56:33,270
Castro made. Can he be faulted
for that? Absolutely. He bears

890
00:56:33,270 --> 00:56:36,870
blame for that. And then Part
two is that future prosecutors

891
00:56:36,870 --> 00:56:39,780
came along after Bruce Castor,
and they said, we're not playing

892
00:56:39,780 --> 00:56:42,180
by that deal. We're not
observing that deal. And that's

893
00:56:42,180 --> 00:56:45,210
what the Pennsylvania Supreme
Court said is the legal problem

894
00:56:45,210 --> 00:56:47,970
here. They said, once Bruce
Castor made that deal, we're not

895
00:56:47,970 --> 00:56:51,210
going to prosecute you like it
or not good deal or bad deal.

896
00:56:51,300 --> 00:56:54,360
Future prosecutors that came
after him were bound by that.

897
00:56:54,360 --> 00:56:57,300
And when they went back on that
deal, and tried him, that's what

898
00:56:57,300 --> 00:56:59,910
they say violated Bill Cosby's
rights. That's what this

899
00:56:59,910 --> 00:57:00,870
decision was about.

900
00:57:01,500 --> 00:57:04,440
And more. I mean, as Brad was
just pointing out, you know,

901
00:57:04,470 --> 00:57:07,740
he's never Bill Cosby has never
admitted guilt. He's always

902
00:57:07,740 --> 00:57:10,860
maintained his innocence.
However, in the deposition in

903
00:57:10,860 --> 00:57:15,180
2005, when he thought that this
was a civil case that he was

904
00:57:15,180 --> 00:57:20,100
never going to be prosecuted. He
did admit what he did. So all of

905
00:57:20,100 --> 00:57:23,580
these accusers I mean, the vast
majority say that he drugged

906
00:57:23,580 --> 00:57:26,250
them unknowingly and then had
sex with them against their

907
00:57:26,250 --> 00:57:29,520
will. And in that deposition,
the question from Andrew

908
00:57:29,520 --> 00:57:33,240
constanze, one of the accusers
from her attorney, was when you

909
00:57:33,240 --> 00:57:36,960
got the Queen lubes. Was it in
your mind that you were going to

910
00:57:36,960 --> 00:57:39,480
use these Quaaludes for young
women that you wanted to have

911
00:57:39,480 --> 00:57:45,150
sex with Bill Cosby replies,
yes. Okay, you see, the trick

912
00:57:45,150 --> 00:57:47,400
made me there. But you first
need you first of all,

913
00:57:47,820 --> 00:57:51,600
it was it was it was a
deposition in cases from 2005.

914
00:57:52,020 --> 00:57:57,210
Right, which was was something
completely I mean, the way I

915
00:57:57,270 --> 00:58:00,660
think, of course, I didn't look
into it. I was like, Oh, hey,

916
00:58:00,660 --> 00:58:03,780
this maybe six months ago, they
got a deposition deposition or

917
00:58:03,780 --> 00:58:11,490
something. And Queloz? I mean, I
don't know. And what did what

918
00:58:11,490 --> 00:58:14,040
did they do there that you that
you thought was?

919
00:58:14,610 --> 00:58:18,270
Because they said, first of all,
they said Bill Cosby has not

920
00:58:18,270 --> 00:58:22,860
admitted to anything? Yes. They
said that, right? Yes, he has

921
00:58:22,860 --> 00:58:24,240
admitted to anything but

922
00:58:24,990 --> 00:58:28,650
but there was something quite
loose that whipsaw what you call

923
00:58:28,650 --> 00:58:33,000
me. Yeah, definitely asked a
question. But it wasn't.

924
00:58:33,930 --> 00:58:39,300
Right. So did they say did you
give the women quite lose and to

925
00:58:39,300 --> 00:58:41,700
have sex? We may we need to go
back? Let's see. I was gonna say

926
00:58:41,700 --> 00:58:44,340
let's, let's talk about what we
heard first, and then we'll go

927
00:58:44,340 --> 00:58:48,240
back Listen, what we actually
heard. Um, basically, they she

928
00:58:48,240 --> 00:58:51,960
says that he didn't admit to
anything, but in the deposition,

929
00:58:51,960 --> 00:58:55,200
he did admit to give him women
quite lewd, that he planned to

930
00:58:55,200 --> 00:58:59,190
have sex with it's not the same
thing as drugging pee. Correct.

931
00:58:59,190 --> 00:59:04,500
And then, in the middle of that,
women said, Hi, let

932
00:59:04,500 --> 00:59:05,250
me let me hear this.

933
00:59:06,270 --> 00:59:10,440
But Castro's successor used
Cosby's testimony as a key piece

934
00:59:10,440 --> 00:59:14,730
of evidence. More than a decade
later, Bill Cosby was convicted

935
00:59:14,730 --> 00:59:17,850
of drugging and sexually
assaulting constant serving I'm

936
00:59:17,850 --> 00:59:20,970
sorry, this is wrong, but I'm
sorry, my mistakes. Here we go.

937
00:59:20,970 --> 00:59:23,760
This is the one I want to pick
it up here. But these rights,

938
00:59:23,850 --> 00:59:25,470
that's what this decision was
about.

939
00:59:26,490 --> 00:59:29,400
I mean, as Britain was just
pointing out, you know, he's

940
00:59:29,400 --> 00:59:32,340
never Bill Cosby has never
admitted guilt. He's always

941
00:59:32,340 --> 00:59:35,460
maintained his innocence.
However, in the deposition in

942
00:59:35,460 --> 00:59:39,780
2005, when he thought that this
was a civil case that he was

943
00:59:39,780 --> 00:59:44,700
never going to be prosecuted. He
did admit what he did. So all of

944
00:59:44,700 --> 00:59:48,180
these accusers I mean, the vast
majority say that he drugged

945
00:59:48,180 --> 00:59:51,090
them unknowingly and then had
sex with them against their will

946
00:59:51,090 --> 00:59:56,280
and in that deposition, the
question from Andrew cost. Yeah,

947
00:59:56,280 --> 01:00:02,520
I hear you. Sandwich that Say
that he drugged them unknowingly

948
01:00:02,520 --> 01:00:05,100
and then had sex with them
against their will. And in that

949
01:00:05,100 --> 01:00:08,670
deposition, the question from
Andrew constanze, one of the

950
01:00:08,670 --> 01:00:12,600
accusers from her attorney, was
when you got the quail lubes.

951
01:00:13,230 --> 01:00:15,300
Was it in your mind that you
were going to use these

952
01:00:15,300 --> 01:00:17,880
Quaaludes for young women that
you wanted to have sex with?

953
01:00:17,880 --> 01:00:21,630
Bill Cosby replies, yes. Yeah, I
see. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

954
01:00:24,240 --> 01:00:27,360
And that's why they kept saying
he admitted to what he did, he

955
01:00:27,360 --> 01:00:31,170
admitted to what he did, he
admitted, he admitted to and I

956
01:00:31,170 --> 01:00:36,150
said, I'm not absolving them
anything of any action. I'm just

957
01:00:36,150 --> 01:00:40,860
saying how the media cover this,
with these tricks, if you if you

958
01:00:40,860 --> 01:00:46,740
have a slam dunk, testimony,
play it. But she did this whole

959
01:00:46,740 --> 01:00:51,720
wind up of he didn't admit
anything. And in a deposition,

960
01:00:51,720 --> 01:00:55,350
he was asked, and then women
accused him of this. And then he

961
01:00:55,350 --> 01:01:00,090
goes back to the deposition to
say, when you he was asked, were

962
01:01:00,090 --> 01:01:02,820
you planning to give the coin to
women? You're gonna have sex

963
01:01:02,820 --> 01:01:07,200
where he said, Yes. So anything
ever like hey, you know, here's

964
01:01:07,200 --> 01:01:12,090
the thing. Here's the actual
transcript. Okay. You test

965
01:01:12,090 --> 01:01:16,440
question, you testified that he
knew you were not going to take

966
01:01:16,440 --> 01:01:20,220
them. And I'd like to explain
your answer. How did he know or

967
01:01:20,220 --> 01:01:26,760
why do you say he knew? Answer?
What was happening at the time

968
01:01:26,760 --> 01:01:32,760
was that that was quite ludes
happened to be the drug that

969
01:01:32,760 --> 01:01:35,640
kids young people were using to
party with. And there were times

970
01:01:35,640 --> 01:01:39,660
when I wanted to have them just
in case. Mr. Colby says he never

971
01:01:39,660 --> 01:01:43,260
took the qualys. And this is now
narration, Mr. Colby says he

972
01:01:43,260 --> 01:01:46,320
never took the quails himself
because they made him sleepy

973
01:01:46,320 --> 01:01:49,140
because he was using them in his
efforts to have sex with women.

974
01:01:49,140 --> 01:01:51,870
He also says that with the
exception of one glass of beer,

975
01:01:52,110 --> 01:01:55,500
he stopped drinking alcohol when
he was 16. question, why didn't

976
01:01:55,500 --> 01:02:00,210
you ever take the Caleb's answer
because I use them q for what? A

977
01:02:00,240 --> 01:02:04,890
the same as a person would say
they have a drink. So it's not

978
01:02:04,890 --> 01:02:12,480
even. He says that he was, you
know, the way I'm reading it

979
01:02:12,900 --> 01:02:18,150
cursory here is that it's like,
oh, you know, you want to talk

980
01:02:18,150 --> 01:02:20,940
off of this joint. You want to
quit lewd, you know, you want to

981
01:02:20,940 --> 01:02:24,120
drink and get in the mood.
That's kind of the way he was.

982
01:02:24,420 --> 01:02:26,790
That's it just reading through
as quickly as it seems like

983
01:02:26,790 --> 01:02:28,770
that's what he admitted to.

984
01:02:29,220 --> 01:02:32,640
Right. And now all I'm doing is
just deposed in that to the way

985
01:02:32,640 --> 01:02:38,280
they put the narrative. under
oath. He said, Yeah, I crushed

986
01:02:38,280 --> 01:02:41,220
him up and put them into that
drink

987
01:02:41,280 --> 01:02:48,120
now. Now that's Allison
Camerata, I believe. Allison

988
01:02:48,120 --> 01:02:49,320
Camerata

989
01:02:49,890 --> 01:02:52,590
know what I'm saying is that
they make it seem like that's

990
01:02:52,590 --> 01:02:54,990
what he admitted to, in his own
words that he's

991
01:02:55,290 --> 01:02:58,500
drugging women. I understand
what you're saying, right?

992
01:02:59,100 --> 01:03:03,630
Amazon, but Allison Camerata who
said that, on that clip from

993
01:03:03,630 --> 01:03:15,270
CNN, she has a story behind her
too. Was she not? Yes. She. She

994
01:03:15,270 --> 01:03:19,260
accused Fox of sexual harassment
against her before she left for

995
01:03:19,260 --> 01:03:19,890
CNN.

996
01:03:21,450 --> 01:03:24,900
That makes it convenient to have
a big fish taking down like

997
01:03:24,900 --> 01:03:28,590
Cosby, when all that when all
these other cases are pending.

998
01:03:28,770 --> 01:03:31,440
And I don't want to belabor this
point too long, but I just want

999
01:03:31,440 --> 01:03:32,040
to make one other

1000
01:03:32,580 --> 01:03:35,310
point she's, you know, she's
she's all on board with

1001
01:03:35,340 --> 01:03:38,190
invested. Yeah, she's invested.
That's a good way to put it.

1002
01:03:38,190 --> 01:03:39,150
Yes, she's invested.

1003
01:03:39,629 --> 01:03:45,239
So Isla Hoenig said that he
called out bill caster, I think

1004
01:03:45,239 --> 01:03:48,899
his name that the prosecutor
made the deal. And then he said

1005
01:03:48,899 --> 01:03:54,209
the future prosecutors never
naming. Miss Christine Gibbons

1006
01:03:54,209 --> 01:03:58,049
fixating. That was the one who
actually went and sought out the

1007
01:03:58,049 --> 01:04:02,819
victim. Notice he never named
dropped her. Right? He just said

1008
01:04:02,819 --> 01:04:05,189
the future prosecutor. So it's
like how long wait, wait a

1009
01:04:05,189 --> 01:04:07,679
minute. If we're calling out
names, it's called everybody's

1010
01:04:07,679 --> 01:04:12,479
names. But he didn't do that. I
just found that as a was a

1011
01:04:12,479 --> 01:04:15,299
interesting admission. So now
what we're going to do is we're

1012
01:04:15,299 --> 01:04:18,539
going to actually listen to Bill
Cosby himself speak. And this is

1013
01:04:18,539 --> 01:04:20,489
where he's fresh out of prison
on release.

1014
01:04:20,700 --> 01:04:24,000
Judy Cosby telling ABCs Lindsey
Davis on the phone after his

1015
01:04:24,000 --> 01:04:26,850
release that his conviction did
not match the truth. Tonight,

1016
01:04:26,850 --> 01:04:30,240
his accuser is also reacting to
the news. He is no longer in

1017
01:04:30,240 --> 01:04:32,700
prison. And nobody

1018
01:04:33,540 --> 01:04:39,720
had the sense to say wait one
second. This doesn't match up

1019
01:04:39,720 --> 01:04:45,420
with the truth. This is not what
I was taught. In college. This

1020
01:04:45,420 --> 01:04:49,620
is not what I was taught. Etc,
etc.

1021
01:04:50,010 --> 01:04:54,030
Tonight, Bill Cosby talking to
ABC News, just hours after

1022
01:04:54,030 --> 01:04:58,200
becoming a free man, his 2018
sex assault conviction

1023
01:04:58,200 --> 01:05:02,100
overturned by the Pennsylvania
Supreme Court after an appeal

1024
01:05:02,190 --> 01:05:05,820
justices ruling he should not
have been prosecuted because of

1025
01:05:05,820 --> 01:05:09,240
a deal with former DEA Bruce
Castor that he would not be

1026
01:05:09,240 --> 01:05:13,830
charged if he agreed to testify
in a 2005 civil suit brought by

1027
01:05:13,830 --> 01:05:17,310
accuser Andrea constanze.
Today's ruling stated that in

1028
01:05:17,310 --> 01:05:20,490
accordance with the advice of
his attorneys, Cosby relied on

1029
01:05:20,490 --> 01:05:24,300
castors public announcement he
would not be prosecuted, but

1030
01:05:24,300 --> 01:05:28,350
Castro's successor used Cosby's
testimony as a key piece of

1031
01:05:28,350 --> 01:05:32,520
evidence. More than a decade
later, Bill Cosby was convicted

1032
01:05:32,520 --> 01:05:35,970
of drugging and sexually
assaulting constant, serving two

1033
01:05:35,970 --> 01:05:38,970
of his three to 10 year
sentence. Before his release

1034
01:05:38,970 --> 01:05:42,420
today, dozens of other women
accused Cosby of drugging and

1035
01:05:42,420 --> 01:05:45,540
sexually assaulting them.
today's news leaving many of his

1036
01:05:45,540 --> 01:05:49,950
accusers stunned and angry.
Today Cosby's longtime co star

1037
01:05:49,950 --> 01:05:53,580
Felicia Rashad tweeted support
saying quote, a miscarriage of

1038
01:05:53,580 --> 01:05:56,790
justice is corrected. She
followed that up with another

1039
01:05:56,790 --> 01:05:59,880
tweet saying she supports
survivors of sexual assault and

1040
01:05:59,880 --> 01:06:03,000
did not attend to be insensitive
to quote their truth, Judy?

1041
01:06:03,510 --> 01:06:04,830
Oh, you know what happened
there?

1042
01:06:05,130 --> 01:06:16,710
Felicia gotta gotta fix that
baby. Mess how it works. You

1043
01:06:16,830 --> 01:06:20,430
release one tweet. And it's like
the phone rings and

1044
01:06:23,730 --> 01:06:28,260
I Felicia, this is blatant
calling and we'd like to save it

1045
01:06:28,260 --> 01:06:31,350
oh what's your statement is
doesn't jibe where we're what

1046
01:06:31,350 --> 01:06:34,320
we're trying to do over here so
we need you to go on social

1047
01:06:34,320 --> 01:06:35,550
media and of course that

1048
01:06:36,450 --> 01:06:38,730
doesn't comport with the program
here Felicia

1049
01:06:38,760 --> 01:06:45,480
bright en que en que correct sir
statement and this is not the

1050
01:06:45,480 --> 01:06:49,890
first time for sure. Rashad go
Cosby's TV why finally speaking

1051
01:06:49,920 --> 01:06:50,460
out.

1052
01:06:50,610 --> 01:06:53,550
This is more women continue to
come forward and protesters are

1053
01:06:53,550 --> 01:06:56,490
threatening to disrupt three
comedy conference in Canada

1054
01:06:56,490 --> 01:07:00,480
starting tonight. Now there's
Mrs. Huxtable going on the

1055
01:07:00,480 --> 01:07:00,810
record.

1056
01:07:00,840 --> 01:07:04,080
Yeah, tonight's top story more
cosmic crash and burn will his

1057
01:07:04,080 --> 01:07:08,250
TV wife stand by her man? You
were on the set with him for

1058
01:07:08,250 --> 01:07:11,580
more than a decade working very
closely with him. At no time.

1059
01:07:11,580 --> 01:07:14,250
Did you ever see anything
inappropriate?

1060
01:07:15,120 --> 01:07:21,270
What I saw was fun. Never
anything inappropriate. What I

1061
01:07:21,270 --> 01:07:28,890
saw was work and play at work
and fun. Mrs. Cosby was a

1062
01:07:28,890 --> 01:07:36,960
frequent visitor to the studio.
She was there a lot. That's what

1063
01:07:36,960 --> 01:07:37,530
I saw.

1064
01:07:38,070 --> 01:07:41,940
Felicia Rashad Bill Cosby's TV
wife for more than eight years

1065
01:07:42,030 --> 01:07:45,450
is finally speaking out. She
tells abc news correspondent

1066
01:07:45,450 --> 01:07:49,200
Lindsey Davis. She learned about
the claims against Cosby along

1067
01:07:49,200 --> 01:07:51,960
with the rest of the world. I
can't even speak to those things

1068
01:07:51,960 --> 01:07:55,590
and don't want to the sit down
airing on ABC news came just

1069
01:07:55,620 --> 01:07:59,820
hours after Rashad was quoted on
the website showbiz 411 where it

1070
01:07:59,820 --> 01:08:02,670
sounded like she was implying
there was some sort of plot

1071
01:08:02,670 --> 01:08:06,210
against Cosby. Here's the
reported quote, forget these

1072
01:08:06,210 --> 01:08:09,870
women, what you're seeing is the
destruction of a legacy. And I

1073
01:08:09,870 --> 01:08:13,680
think it's orchestrated. I don't
know why or who's doing it. The

1074
01:08:13,680 --> 01:08:14,250
legacy

1075
01:08:14,430 --> 01:08:21,390
that was a misquote that is not
what I said. I said, Wow, the

1076
01:08:21,390 --> 01:08:26,280
women This is about something
else. This is about the

1077
01:08:26,280 --> 01:08:30,570
obliteration of legacy No,
that's

1078
01:08:32,010 --> 01:08:34,830
right man. That's what that
thing is off the hook now it's

1079
01:08:34,830 --> 01:08:35,190
like

1080
01:08:38,400 --> 01:08:43,680
real and that's why you don't
have this pat ourselves on the

1081
01:08:43,680 --> 01:08:49,290
back show like this on the main
stream because my iPhone would

1082
01:08:49,290 --> 01:08:55,020
have been wrong. My like clip
for me and the way it works is

1083
01:08:55,020 --> 01:08:59,430
like it's not like a huge power
structure. It's just that

1084
01:08:59,430 --> 01:09:02,070
somebody knows somebody that
knows somebody. Yeah, I know how

1085
01:09:02,070 --> 01:09:06,630
your friend call you like, Hey,
I'm not looking too good. You

1086
01:09:06,630 --> 01:09:09,930
know? You might want to go out
No, get ahead of it. That's what

1087
01:09:10,170 --> 01:09:12,300
they use us or you might want to
get ahead of the head and get

1088
01:09:12,300 --> 01:09:13,320
ahead of this issue.

1089
01:09:13,350 --> 01:09:15,330
Yeah, right in front of this.
Yeah.

1090
01:09:15,360 --> 01:09:20,040
But he because Claire Huxtable,
and I use her TV name for a

1091
01:09:20,040 --> 01:09:25,110
reason. legacies estate. Yeah,
because the only thing that she

1092
01:09:25,110 --> 01:09:31,920
is is like, to the masses is
Claire Huxtable. No Cosby Show

1093
01:09:31,920 --> 01:09:36,090
no Claire Huxtable, wishy washy
at the same time, she also has

1094
01:09:36,090 --> 01:09:43,020
loyalty to the sisterhood. She's
in a tough spot. Yeah. She know

1095
01:09:43,020 --> 01:09:46,020
how it goes down in Hollywood. I
mean, she knows and she's like,

1096
01:09:46,230 --> 01:09:52,170
this is mass conspiracy. Now,
like I said, you can be guilty

1097
01:09:52,170 --> 01:09:55,260
of something. But the powers
that be and they're saying cover

1098
01:09:55,260 --> 01:09:58,560
it up for you. And I think
that's how this whole thing

1099
01:09:58,560 --> 01:10:01,890
works in general. If you know
how commonbond works. They want

1100
01:10:01,920 --> 01:10:05,220
to know all your dark secrets.
You land the casket, you tell it

1101
01:10:05,220 --> 01:10:08,220
dark secrets, and Bill's laying
in the casket. He's Oh yes, I

1102
01:10:08,220 --> 01:10:11,010
like to put quite loose and
women's drinks, you know, that's

1103
01:10:11,010 --> 01:10:18,510
my thing. And awesome. But they
take those secrets and use them

1104
01:10:18,540 --> 01:10:20,910
and webinars. They don't when
they see fit. And it's like,

1105
01:10:20,910 --> 01:10:25,950
well, we need a big name for me
to go we got a it's like, oh,

1106
01:10:25,950 --> 01:10:27,990
yeah, Bo and I know we're
talking to speaking about this

1107
01:10:27,990 --> 01:10:32,310
and gallows humor, but we have
to because it's a very heinous

1108
01:10:32,310 --> 01:10:36,540
crime that cross at across it
allegedly happened. But at the

1109
01:10:36,540 --> 01:10:40,980
same time, this tape now is one
of the most fascinating

1110
01:10:40,980 --> 01:10:43,800
takedowns I've seen in my life.

1111
01:10:44,460 --> 01:10:48,810
Yeah, it really is. And, and
it's nothing compared to the you

1112
01:10:48,810 --> 01:10:52,740
know, we've got the Cuomo
takedown the most recent one.

1113
01:10:53,190 --> 01:10:56,520
Can we put all this stuff in
interesting perspective. But

1114
01:10:56,520 --> 01:10:59,970
where's the handcuffs though?
Right? No, no, no, he got to

1115
01:10:59,970 --> 01:11:07,020
slip out the back door. I mean,
he was he wasn't 15,000 he

1116
01:11:07,020 --> 01:11:13,440
wasn't elected official. Doing
this to people in his office. I

1117
01:11:13,440 --> 01:11:14,340
mean, allegedly.

1118
01:11:14,820 --> 01:11:19,260
Now, can you understand the
frustration with so called black

1119
01:11:19,260 --> 01:11:23,160
people in the justice system?
Yes. What this is what it calls

1120
01:11:23,160 --> 01:11:26,250
it the frustration because it's
like, oh, no. Who was Bill's

1121
01:11:26,250 --> 01:11:30,270
lawyers, first of all? And what,
how did this even make it to

1122
01:11:30,270 --> 01:11:34,500
trial? You have a public
statement by by the person that

1123
01:11:34,500 --> 01:11:37,050
made the deal with him saying,
Oh, we can't use that testimony.

1124
01:11:37,290 --> 01:11:42,300
Public. It wasn't my end hidden.
So close indictments was

1125
01:11:44,370 --> 01:11:49,680
something else. So on a bigger
scale, in my mind? Yes, America

1126
01:11:49,680 --> 01:11:54,180
has a two tiered justice system.
And we've seen it a lot. You see

1127
01:11:54,180 --> 01:11:59,130
it with people like Roger stone,
you see it with the I've had my

1128
01:11:59,130 --> 01:12:04,080
own version of it with with
taxation issues, you know, where

1129
01:12:05,250 --> 01:12:08,640
if you have enough juice with
the justice system, you know,

1130
01:12:08,640 --> 01:12:12,240
you can you can take the IRS to
court and you can win certain

1131
01:12:12,240 --> 01:12:17,580
things. The General Michael
Flynn. I mean, this is well

1132
01:12:17,580 --> 01:12:20,640
documented how he got railroaded
by the justice system. So this

1133
01:12:20,640 --> 01:12:25,770
does happen to people who the
powerful want to have taken care

1134
01:12:25,770 --> 01:12:30,060
of now, does this mean that
there's it's the Illuminati and

1135
01:12:30,060 --> 01:12:34,830
the boulais? Doing this black
and white? Possibly. It may be a

1136
01:12:34,830 --> 01:12:38,670
little more across the board. I
understand where you're coming

1137
01:12:38,670 --> 01:12:43,950
from. But there's, you know,
there's also a current

1138
01:12:43,980 --> 01:12:47,250
currently, and this follows long
of you saying, Hey, we're first

1139
01:12:47,280 --> 01:12:50,880
Yeah, we're following close
behind. Because there are

1140
01:12:50,880 --> 01:12:53,940
certain there's a certain type
of exactly a certain type of

1141
01:12:53,940 --> 01:12:59,370
white man. Notice, by the way,
toxic masculinity only really is

1142
01:12:59,370 --> 01:13:03,780
for white men, whenever it's
used. And there's and there's,

1143
01:13:03,810 --> 01:13:07,110
you know, different different
types of justice. Of course, we

1144
01:13:07,110 --> 01:13:10,290
haven't seen someone on the
level of Cosby. But you know,

1145
01:13:10,560 --> 01:13:15,450
definitely, it's a it's an anti
man thing for sure. I hear you,

1146
01:13:15,450 --> 01:13:17,610
I hear you on the on the black
thing.

1147
01:13:18,810 --> 01:13:22,140
But it's it because it's it's
using golf.

1148
01:13:22,440 --> 01:13:25,410
I just think it's bigger than
that. I think it's you have me

1149
01:13:25,410 --> 01:13:27,090
with the America's dad,

1150
01:13:27,419 --> 01:13:31,559
right? It's no no, I'm saying is
their booth a was complicit and

1151
01:13:31,559 --> 01:13:33,449
under boulais didn't have the
kind of power to be taken down

1152
01:13:33,449 --> 01:13:36,689
and cosmi does this be clear on
that as well? They don't have

1153
01:13:36,719 --> 01:13:39,119
they were complicit in I was
going to make an analogy to the

1154
01:13:39,119 --> 01:13:44,609
Godfather, right? When, when
Michael's older brother got wet,

1155
01:13:45,149 --> 01:13:49,499
right? He got hit at the toll
booth. Right? The tome the tow

1156
01:13:49,499 --> 01:13:52,529
guy had to be in on it, right?
Yeah, yeah, I'm not saying he's

1157
01:13:52,529 --> 01:13:55,709
the one to pull the trigger. But
he never had to know to get down

1158
01:13:56,489 --> 01:13:58,949
to start shooting. Yeah, he
feels as though he has some

1159
01:13:58,949 --> 01:14:01,349
knowledge of the tape. Now
what's gonna happen? That's what

1160
01:14:01,349 --> 01:14:04,469
I'm saying that's the Boo lays
roll in it, that they they turn

1161
01:14:04,469 --> 01:14:07,559
their back on bill and cloak
cross their arms and said, we're

1162
01:14:07,559 --> 01:14:11,459
not touching this right. You're
on your own. And that's, that's

1163
01:14:11,459 --> 01:14:13,559
one of the point I'm making no,
boo. They don't have the kind of

1164
01:14:13,559 --> 01:14:17,249
power to take on a bill cosby.
And it's not even this. What I'm

1165
01:14:17,249 --> 01:14:21,179
saying is if you're a willing
participant in this narrative,

1166
01:14:21,599 --> 01:14:25,799
of like, getting emotionally
invested in it, this is how when

1167
01:14:25,799 --> 01:14:28,589
you walk away from it, like See,
this is what I'm talking about,

1168
01:14:28,589 --> 01:14:31,409
you know, black man can't get a
fair trial in America. This is

1169
01:14:31,409 --> 01:14:37,559
what firm a firm is. And it's
this kind of behavior. got kind

1170
01:14:37,559 --> 01:14:42,779
of, like bread. You got to do I
mean, the Fifth Amendment,

1171
01:14:42,779 --> 01:14:44,849
everybody, no fifth, Washington
State.

1172
01:14:49,980 --> 01:14:53,790
Everybody knows that. But yeah,
so I just say that all that to

1173
01:14:53,790 --> 01:14:57,990
say, now we need to get into the
timeline of the Bill Cosby

1174
01:14:57,990 --> 01:14:58,650
allegation.

1175
01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:03,960
For Bill Cosby, it has been a
week of allegations from women

1176
01:15:03,960 --> 01:15:06,600
who say they were sexually
assaulted in the past by the

1177
01:15:06,600 --> 01:15:11,040
comedian. Many claimed they were
drunk and never saw any drugs.

1178
01:15:11,520 --> 01:15:18,150
But I would wake up completely
confused, half dressed, and

1179
01:15:18,150 --> 01:15:22,200
knowing that my body had been
touched without my permission.

1180
01:15:22,740 --> 01:15:26,280
Bowman says she went to Cosby's
New York apartment alone and

1181
01:15:26,280 --> 01:15:29,640
that Cosby flew her all around
the country as he performed at

1182
01:15:29,640 --> 01:15:34,380
various venues. But she says the
advances were unwelcome, of also

1183
01:15:34,380 --> 01:15:38,940
speaking out to john tortious.
We went up to his bungalow

1184
01:15:38,940 --> 01:15:43,470
Afterwards, he made me a drink.
And very shortly after that, I

1185
01:15:43,470 --> 01:15:53,370
just, I passed out. I woke up or
came to very groggily with him,

1186
01:15:53,370 --> 01:15:57,810
me moving my underwear. tarsha
says that in 1969, she

1187
01:15:57,810 --> 01:16:02,160
voluntarily saw Cosby again when
he invited her to a performance

1188
01:16:02,520 --> 01:16:06,390
after accepting drinks at his
hotel and in the limo. She says

1189
01:16:06,390 --> 01:16:10,740
she woke up the next morning
with him in his bed. Ironically,

1190
01:16:10,740 --> 01:16:14,970
Cosby released a comedy album
that same here titled it's true,

1191
01:16:15,000 --> 01:16:18,960
it's true. joking about that
very issue in

1192
01:16:20,160 --> 01:16:24,570
Spanish, like no, who is this
girl? Crazy Mary? He puts them

1193
01:16:24,570 --> 01:16:25,200
in her drink.

1194
01:16:30,780 --> 01:16:33,150
Like Louie ck, Ck. Oh,

1195
01:16:33,389 --> 01:16:37,889
yeah. When the thing about this
clip was the show that these

1196
01:16:37,889 --> 01:16:42,509
women saw him again and again
afterwards. Yep. Which, which is

1197
01:16:42,509 --> 01:16:45,449
another thing I guess I'm not
making the case for because it's

1198
01:16:45,449 --> 01:16:50,369
not what I'm doing. What I'm
illustrating is how you have

1199
01:16:50,369 --> 01:16:54,539
such a divide on this case, and
when we have these divides, is

1200
01:16:54,539 --> 01:16:57,929
by design. I believe that's my
personal opinion that let's take

1201
01:16:57,929 --> 01:17:03,089
a case that can shatter society
and and have them own looking at

1202
01:17:03,089 --> 01:17:05,549
the same thing, but looking at
it from two different angles,

1203
01:17:05,580 --> 01:17:07,770
or like oj, etc.

1204
01:17:08,730 --> 01:17:11,760
Exactly. Because Oh, Dre set
back racial relations and

1205
01:17:11,760 --> 01:17:16,830
Michael Jackson. Same thing. And
then you got Bill Cosby here.

1206
01:17:17,160 --> 01:17:21,930
America's dad, clean cut, never
waves his finger, everybody, all

1207
01:17:21,930 --> 01:17:24,090
you need to do is pull up the
paint like said that kind of

1208
01:17:24,090 --> 01:17:28,140
thing. Yeah. And it's like, hold
on, in the 1970s. He just out

1209
01:17:28,140 --> 01:17:31,890
here randomly. You're saying
assaulting women, a black man in

1210
01:17:31,890 --> 01:17:37,560
the 1970s? And you can't get
him? No, I mean, that just

1211
01:17:37,560 --> 01:17:44,490
doesn't register like as being
by 1970s. I mean, man, we're

1212
01:17:44,490 --> 01:17:47,400
still getting lynched in
lightning. 80s. Let's just keep

1213
01:17:47,400 --> 01:17:51,750
your funky with you. Right. And
in 1970s you have a man running

1214
01:17:51,750 --> 01:17:52,050
around.

1215
01:17:52,710 --> 01:17:55,290
You just say let's keep it funky
with you. Is that what you just

1216
01:17:55,290 --> 01:17:59,370
said to me? Thanks. I just want
to make sure I'm

1217
01:18:00,450 --> 01:18:06,840
sorry. Nobody saying these
things we they hit your brain?

1218
01:18:07,590 --> 01:18:11,370
And yeah, in little morsels. The
fact that we're deep dive in I'm

1219
01:18:11,370 --> 01:18:14,610
going through this timeline. And
you know, the narrative is one

1220
01:18:14,610 --> 01:18:17,790
way but when these little
morsels hit your brain by it's

1221
01:18:17,790 --> 01:18:24,960
like, the women's arm again,
Hollywood. Hollywood good now. I

1222
01:18:24,960 --> 01:18:29,370
mean, like that kind of thing.
So I'm just but I'll say beauty

1223
01:18:29,370 --> 01:18:32,850
himself no favors once again, by
making the Spanish fly. Now this

1224
01:18:32,850 --> 01:18:36,840
is a little long, but it's
important. We listened to it

1225
01:18:37,049 --> 01:18:44,099
when I was 13 men start talking
about weird things. Now really

1226
01:18:44,189 --> 01:18:49,649
stand on a corner. You know
anything about Spanish fly? Fly.

1227
01:18:50,939 --> 01:18:54,239
It always happens when you're 13
only when you're 13 on up to it

1228
01:18:54,239 --> 01:18:57,029
like when you get married guys
turn around talk about Spanish

1229
01:18:57,029 --> 01:18:59,849
fly. And it never starts with
one of the guys on the corner

1230
01:18:59,849 --> 01:19:03,209
it's always some strange 13 year
olds is you know if you know

1231
01:19:03,209 --> 01:19:06,389
anything about binary fly, no
dummy man. Well, is this girl

1232
01:19:06,389 --> 01:19:12,389
crazy? Marry? You put some in
her drink, man. Oh, yeah, that's

1233
01:19:12,389 --> 01:19:20,309
really really really for men on
man. Anytime you see a girl go

1234
01:19:20,309 --> 01:19:23,429
to a party. See five girls
standing alone boy about a whole

1235
01:19:23,429 --> 01:19:31,409
joggers, class. So I thought it
only existed in Philadelphia,

1236
01:19:31,409 --> 01:19:34,409
you know, and I'm working on ice
bi and Bob and I are working

1237
01:19:34,409 --> 01:19:38,519
together. Sheldon linna comes up
says boys I spy is going to

1238
01:19:38,519 --> 01:19:45,329
Spain. childhood dream come
true.

1239
01:19:52,620 --> 01:19:55,710
I'm sorry to interrupt this, but
he almost has the cadence of

1240
01:19:55,710 --> 01:20:06,090
George Carlin in this clip. It's
so different. From from his it's

1241
01:20:06,090 --> 01:20:07,470
very different and like

1242
01:20:09,870 --> 01:20:12,570
I said the bomb you know cuz he
know nothing about it. I said,

1243
01:20:13,350 --> 01:20:16,200
you know what I'm gonna pick up
when I'm in a stranger's Spanish

1244
01:20:19,980 --> 01:20:22,080
buddies are you kidding? There's
a girl in my neighborhood in

1245
01:20:22,080 --> 01:20:27,630
Berkeley named crazy Mary we
gave us every time he told me a

1246
01:20:27,630 --> 01:20:31,350
story. I had heard it every time
I told him a story he had heard

1247
01:20:31,350 --> 01:20:34,260
it. We all knew the same story,
so I figured there's got to be a

1248
01:20:34,260 --> 01:20:39,240
guy about 2000 years old as 13
going around the world you guys

1249
01:20:39,240 --> 01:20:39,960
weren't here last

1250
01:20:52,350 --> 01:21:00,660
night man was your single use me
riding on the plains go through

1251
01:21:00,660 --> 01:21:07,830
cousins. This is the lane of
Spanish. We're getting the cab

1252
01:21:08,880 --> 01:21:24,300
driver as a cab driver. Driver.
Driver says in your lesson. You

1253
01:21:24,300 --> 01:21:31,560
Spanish station yo yo America.
Yes. You come from America. Yes.

1254
01:21:31,830 --> 01:21:34,380
You can tell me maybe you
brought with you some American

1255
01:21:34,380 --> 01:21:34,800
flags.

1256
01:21:43,380 --> 01:21:49,800
That's all you can hear Eddie
Murphy took Eddie Murphy was

1257
01:21:49,800 --> 01:21:52,500
influenced by that it's very
interesting to hear this good.

1258
01:21:52,620 --> 01:21:55,320
Good clip and in very different
kind of joke of course than the

1259
01:21:55,320 --> 01:21:58,320
way it was worked into that clip
before

1260
01:21:58,860 --> 01:22:03,780
but and then make the jump for
Spanish slot equate ludes that's

1261
01:22:03,780 --> 01:22:07,170
the right thing. It's like, Oh,
yeah. These little morsels.

1262
01:22:07,200 --> 01:22:11,070
Yeah. Are you know he made that?
That? That comedy show about

1263
01:22:11,220 --> 01:22:15,180
drugging women. Right. And
clearly, we have his cut that

1264
01:22:15,180 --> 01:22:18,630
out a little bit. Yeah, we have
his confession. We have his tape

1265
01:22:18,630 --> 01:22:22,080
about Spanish block. Clearly
this is open shut. Open and shut

1266
01:22:22,110 --> 01:22:26,910
case. So this is how Bill Cosby
was railroaded. Great

1267
01:22:26,910 --> 01:22:31,890
oh great media in general, Mo
great media deconstruction.

1268
01:22:32,910 --> 01:22:36,330
I appreciate that. Now we got to
get to the quaint lubes and how

1269
01:22:36,330 --> 01:22:38,340
popular they was in the 1970s.

1270
01:22:40,860 --> 01:22:43,830
Who could forget this scene from
The Wolf of Wall Street,

1271
01:22:44,070 --> 01:22:49,410
Leonardo DiCaprio and Jonah Hill
High on quails unable to walk.

1272
01:22:52,980 --> 01:22:57,300
It's pretty funny, but Quezon
are no joke. The drug is now

1273
01:22:57,300 --> 01:23:00,780
getting lots of attention after
Bill Cosby admitted giving them

1274
01:23:00,780 --> 01:23:08,370
to women. Nicknamed disco
biscuits. preludes were hugely

1275
01:23:08,370 --> 01:23:12,180
popular in the 70s widely
consumed in nightclubs like the

1276
01:23:12,180 --> 01:23:16,860
legendary Studio 54. Originally
developed as a sleeping pill,

1277
01:23:16,920 --> 01:23:20,700
Queloz had a deeply relaxing
effect. Much like strong

1278
01:23:20,700 --> 01:23:21,510
alcohol,

1279
01:23:21,570 --> 01:23:25,260
not the typical high you'd get
if you were taking like ecstasy

1280
01:23:25,260 --> 01:23:27,840
where you're partying or you're
doing coke and you're really up.

1281
01:23:28,020 --> 01:23:30,570
It's more of a relaxed kind of
high,

1282
01:23:30,840 --> 01:23:35,760
but quaint moods were often
abused. In 1977. Director Roman

1283
01:23:35,760 --> 01:23:40,230
Polanski gave Ben 13 year old
Samantha guymer a portion of a

1284
01:23:40,230 --> 01:23:43,920
Quaalude before he had sex with
her. He fled the country to

1285
01:23:43,920 --> 01:23:46,500
avoid prison and never to
return.

1286
01:23:46,530 --> 01:23:49,740
It's not uncommon to see things
like seizures, coma and death.

1287
01:23:49,740 --> 01:23:52,800
And that absolutely happened,
which is why the drug although

1288
01:23:52,800 --> 01:23:56,160
it wasn't on the market for very
long, became a huge problem and

1289
01:23:56,160 --> 01:23:59,730
it became very quickly taken off
the market. You know, by the

1290
01:23:59,730 --> 01:24:00,600
80s, it was gone.

1291
01:24:00,750 --> 01:24:04,380
Bill Cosby was prescribed
preludes for a bad back. He says

1292
01:24:04,380 --> 01:24:08,280
he never took them but kept them
on hand to offer dates.

1293
01:24:12,540 --> 01:24:16,950
This is great. I never heard all
the I was so busy looking at 45

1294
01:24:16,950 --> 01:24:19,920
savage and all this stuff at the
time. It's I'm sorry that I

1295
01:24:19,920 --> 01:24:21,450
didn't really follow this.

1296
01:24:22,410 --> 01:24:26,910
That's why it's a great topic to
cover because we all were just

1297
01:24:26,910 --> 01:24:28,410
sucked into the media narrative.

1298
01:24:29,940 --> 01:24:32,610
Mo You know, I've like kind of
just a black guy gives a shit

1299
01:24:32,610 --> 01:24:33,660
typical. That's all I

1300
01:24:35,490 --> 01:24:39,660
know what it is. We thought it
like okay, who's gonna be the

1301
01:24:39,660 --> 01:24:45,120
next one? In an era of light?
True. Okay, who's staying? Who's

1302
01:24:45,120 --> 01:24:50,610
up next? Moon? whatever his name
Les Moonves met Les Moonves

1303
01:24:50,640 --> 01:24:53,580
Who's next? You know, that kind
of thing. But yet and still,

1304
01:24:53,640 --> 01:24:57,600
when they talk about Roman
Polanski. He gives once a 13

1305
01:24:57,600 --> 01:25:01,740
year old girl before they have
sex, not the right Word. Right.

1306
01:25:01,830 --> 01:25:02,130
And

1307
01:25:03,240 --> 01:25:06,900
that was actually very, very,
very soft on Polanski, the way

1308
01:25:06,900 --> 01:25:08,640
the media usually is about him.

1309
01:25:09,240 --> 01:25:13,680
Where is it? I mean, it's like,
well, let's get us to have a

1310
01:25:13,680 --> 01:25:18,270
small discussion about Roman
Polanski. Who did he pays off? I

1311
01:25:18,270 --> 01:25:22,260
mean, because it seemed like now
Hollywood loves him because he

1312
01:25:22,260 --> 01:25:25,620
actually wanna what Oscar
something they gave Meryl Streep

1313
01:25:25,620 --> 01:25:29,310
was gave him a standing ovation
and we'll hear in us and stuff

1314
01:25:29,310 --> 01:25:33,840
about that but to be on the run
that long as a white guy, I mean

1315
01:25:33,840 --> 01:25:38,820
like I mean, this totally this
totally breaks the narrative

1316
01:25:38,820 --> 01:25:41,820
because we have this white guy
on the run for his life over

1317
01:25:41,820 --> 01:25:44,760
giving you know a 13 year old
quite loose and we are Bill

1318
01:25:44,790 --> 01:25:48,330
Cosby a black guy. This dropping
quite loose like Dom you know,

1319
01:25:48,330 --> 01:25:51,420
saying like this like, well, how
does it work? How does that

1320
01:25:51,420 --> 01:25:54,540
happen in the racial American? I
mean, this is why it's like a

1321
01:25:54,540 --> 01:25:58,350
such a mind screw. How does that
happen? I don't I don't know. I

1322
01:25:58,350 --> 01:26:03,330
don't know how that happens. Um,
but like I said, disco biscuits.

1323
01:26:03,360 --> 01:26:04,020
That's that's

1324
01:26:05,190 --> 01:26:06,450
heard of disco biscuits.

1325
01:26:10,260 --> 01:26:14,280
No, no, it's a whole different
kind of

1326
01:26:14,280 --> 01:26:18,240
biscuit. a whole different kind
of deceit. So uh, let's see. Now

1327
01:26:18,240 --> 01:26:22,950
we have Roman Polanski's victim,
and she wants to case dropped.

1328
01:26:23,160 --> 01:26:26,250
She was sexually assaulted by
director Roman Polanski as a

1329
01:26:26,250 --> 01:26:30,390
teenager. Now she wants a Los
Angeles judge to drop the case.

1330
01:26:30,720 --> 01:26:32,700
Daniel Nottingham has the story.

1331
01:26:33,210 --> 01:26:36,840
I'm just here to try and get
things resolved and not on

1332
01:26:36,840 --> 01:26:40,020
Romans behalf but on the behalf
of a fair justice system.

1333
01:26:40,200 --> 01:26:43,710
Samantha guymer delivered a
passionate plea to end a case

1334
01:26:43,710 --> 01:26:47,460
that's kept her in the headlines
for the past 40 years. She says

1335
01:26:47,460 --> 01:26:50,880
the trauma of media scrutiny has
been more painful than the

1336
01:26:50,880 --> 01:26:54,150
crime. I do not want to have to
explain to my granddaughter why

1337
01:26:54,150 --> 01:26:57,150
she can't go outside or answer
the phone or why there are

1338
01:26:57,150 --> 01:27:00,480
camera crews outside my home.
And eventually, what happened to

1339
01:27:00,480 --> 01:27:05,370
her Nana in 1977 guymer was 13
when director Roman Polanski

1340
01:27:05,370 --> 01:27:09,330
then 43 years old, gave her
champagne and a pill during a

1341
01:27:09,330 --> 01:27:12,810
photoshoot in the Hollywood
Hills and sexually assaulted

1342
01:27:12,810 --> 01:27:16,890
her. The Oscar winner pleaded
guilty to unlawful intercourse

1343
01:27:16,890 --> 01:27:21,450
with a minor in 1977. He was
sent to a state prison for a 90

1344
01:27:21,450 --> 01:27:26,430
day evaluation, but was released
after 42 days. Polanski fled the

1345
01:27:26,430 --> 01:27:33,210
country to avoid additional time
in 1978. He was notably absent

1346
01:27:33,210 --> 01:27:36,750
from accepting a Best Director
Academy Award for the pianist in

1347
01:27:36,750 --> 01:27:41,010
2003. Friday's hearing was part
of an effort by Polanski's

1348
01:27:41,010 --> 01:27:44,520
lawyer Harland Braun, to dismiss
the case and get an

1349
01:27:44,520 --> 01:27:47,520
international warrant lifted
that would allow Polanski to

1350
01:27:47,520 --> 01:27:51,180
travel more freely outside of
the US. Outside of the

1351
01:27:51,180 --> 01:27:55,050
courtroom. guymer said she never
felt the case was about her. I'm

1352
01:27:55,050 --> 01:27:57,780
standing here saying I'm fine
and nothing you can do to him

1353
01:27:57,780 --> 01:28:00,810
will help me or anybody else.
Suddenly, it's the space not

1354
01:28:00,810 --> 01:28:03,630
meat account. It's a really
hypocritical view either victims

1355
01:28:03,630 --> 01:28:08,550
count or they don't. Yeah, well,
you know,

1356
01:28:08,700 --> 01:28:14,490
I've always thought that the
Roman Polanski issue was not

1357
01:28:14,490 --> 01:28:19,830
about this so called rape or
underage rape at all. About his

1358
01:28:19,830 --> 01:28:27,120
investigation of the of the Tate
murder. Manson dimensions? Yeah,

1359
01:28:27,120 --> 01:28:31,860
yeah, yes. Cuz he was he was all
over that. And so, you know,

1360
01:28:31,860 --> 01:28:34,620
it's all kinds of weird stuff.
You know, he was training with

1361
01:28:34,620 --> 01:28:37,380
Bruce Lee. And then, you know, I
guess he thought, Yeah, man,

1362
01:28:37,380 --> 01:28:40,380
Bruce Lee might have killed him.
And if this whole kinds of weird

1363
01:28:40,410 --> 01:28:42,750
I don't know, I always thought
that he had uncovered something

1364
01:28:42,750 --> 01:28:43,290
there.

1365
01:28:44,340 --> 01:28:47,310
That might question like, Who
did he pants on? Yeah. Well,

1366
01:28:47,310 --> 01:28:49,320
when you said that, that's,
that's what triggered it was the

1367
01:28:49,320 --> 01:28:50,850
I kind of remember looking into
that,

1368
01:28:51,330 --> 01:28:54,300
in a time where it was like, Oh,
I mean, 13 year old, quite

1369
01:28:54,300 --> 01:28:56,790
loose. I mean, that's like, you
know, a Saturday night it was in

1370
01:28:56,790 --> 01:29:00,330
Hollywood. Um, I say that
flippantly but that's kind of

1371
01:29:00,330 --> 01:29:03,300
like the caused me to pace the
narrative like that was the good

1372
01:29:03,300 --> 01:29:07,470
old boys club. Just how they
roll. But all of a sudden now

1373
01:29:07,680 --> 01:29:12,780
Plessy is on the run for his
life, yet and still, um, I just

1374
01:29:12,780 --> 01:29:14,250
found that weird. I mean, just
just

1375
01:29:15,480 --> 01:29:19,980
want to go there's one. There's
one other part to it. This is

1376
01:29:19,980 --> 01:29:23,910
the way it's been told to me. No
judgment. I'm just saying here's

1377
01:29:23,910 --> 01:29:31,500
what the story is. If we presume
that a lot of powerful Jews have

1378
01:29:31,500 --> 01:29:35,970
control over things in
Hollywood, Roman Polanski being

1379
01:29:35,970 --> 01:29:40,410
polish, and he may have actually
made some comments about this or

1380
01:29:40,410 --> 01:29:44,550
may have been some screenplay.
The Hollywood Jews have a big

1381
01:29:44,550 --> 01:29:48,930
problem with Poland, because
they feel he was Poland that

1382
01:29:48,930 --> 01:29:54,030
really that really built the
concentration camps for the

1383
01:29:54,030 --> 01:29:54,780
Nazis.

1384
01:29:54,840 --> 01:29:59,370
They even made a Netflix
documentary kind of rewriting

1385
01:29:59,370 --> 01:30:02,940
history or or what have you want
to say reshaping the narrative

1386
01:30:02,970 --> 01:30:05,430
around Poland? So that makes
plenty of sense. Now, I didn't

1387
01:30:05,430 --> 01:30:07,740
know that that's why I love
talking to you. Because I didn't

1388
01:30:07,740 --> 01:30:09,960
know that part of Yeah.

1389
01:30:11,010 --> 01:30:15,420
He may. He may have said
something, actually his poet I'm

1390
01:30:15,420 --> 01:30:18,480
reading from Wikipedia now is
Polish Jewish parents moved the

1391
01:30:18,480 --> 01:30:23,430
family back from Paris to Krakow
and 37. Then Paul was invaded.

1392
01:30:23,430 --> 01:30:26,250
Let me see, after his mother and
father were taken in raids,

1393
01:30:26,250 --> 01:30:29,100
Polanski spent his formative
years in foster homes under an

1394
01:30:29,100 --> 01:30:33,090
adopted identity surviving the
Holocaust. So that's also

1395
01:30:33,180 --> 01:30:36,840
probably might be some something
contentious like, you know, you,

1396
01:30:37,200 --> 01:30:41,340
you, you hid your true identity.
So he didn't have to go to the,

1397
01:30:41,820 --> 01:30:48,780
to the work. He was passing ish.
Yes. Stuff like that. Stuff like

1398
01:30:48,780 --> 01:30:51,930
that. So I don't know exactly. I
don't know exactly. But I think

1399
01:30:51,930 --> 01:30:54,870
it all all of this comes into
play somehow. Okay.

1400
01:30:55,110 --> 01:30:58,710
So I just brought up Rome, Roman
Polanski to show you a sample of

1401
01:30:58,710 --> 01:31:01,920
how you thought I would think
Bill would have been protected.

1402
01:31:02,310 --> 01:31:06,540
And this is Whoopi Goldberg
explaining the Roman Polanski

1403
01:31:06,930 --> 01:31:08,190
case on the view.

1404
01:31:09,840 --> 01:31:18,000
I know it wasn't rankbrain.
Maybe it was something else. But

1405
01:31:18,000 --> 01:31:21,390
I don't believe it was rape,
rape and information. Somebody

1406
01:31:21,390 --> 01:31:24,180
will tell me am I here? All I'm
trying to get you to understand

1407
01:31:24,540 --> 01:31:27,780
is when we're talking about what
someone did and what they were

1408
01:31:27,780 --> 01:31:30,840
charged with. We have to say
what it actually was not what we

1409
01:31:30,840 --> 01:31:34,500
think it what he said he did. He
gave her Quaaludes. He gave her

1410
01:31:34,500 --> 01:31:40,800
champagne. She was drunk. She
was 13 years old. That's what

1411
01:31:40,800 --> 01:31:44,040
I'm saying you're 13 years old.
While she was still a child. He

1412
01:31:44,040 --> 01:31:46,410
actually excuse me, initially,
he was charged with rape. Go

1413
01:31:46,410 --> 01:31:51,300
ahead. And then he, he pled
guilty to having sex with a

1414
01:31:51,300 --> 01:31:55,290
minor, okay. And he went to
jail. And when they let him out

1415
01:31:55,290 --> 01:31:59,730
35 days, and when they let him
out. He said, you know what this

1416
01:31:59,730 --> 01:32:02,550
guy's going to give me 100 years
in jail. I'm not staying and

1417
01:32:02,550 --> 01:32:05,040
that's why he left. So that's
why we're really clear. Because

1418
01:32:05,040 --> 01:32:07,500
I want to know exactly what
we're talking about. I'm going

1419
01:32:07,500 --> 01:32:11,220
to make it okay to you know,
instead of saying and fighting

1420
01:32:11,220 --> 01:32:13,740
to fake, you know, it's going to
be 100 years, I'm out of here.

1421
01:32:15,360 --> 01:32:19,680
But what we were talking about
was what he did. And that's what

1422
01:32:19,680 --> 01:32:22,560
I wanted to clear out. That's
all I wanted to clear up because

1423
01:32:22,560 --> 01:32:25,830
I don't like it when we when
we're passionate about

1424
01:32:25,830 --> 01:32:29,040
something. We don't have all the
facts. Okay, so he was charged

1425
01:32:29,040 --> 01:32:33,750
with rape. So should he be
prosecuted now? I believe Yes.

1426
01:32:33,810 --> 01:32:36,150
Because the crime has not
changed. I know she wants to

1427
01:32:36,150 --> 01:32:39,360
move on. But there's what does
it say about crimes that are

1428
01:32:39,360 --> 01:32:41,130
still being committed against
children?

1429
01:32:42,000 --> 01:32:47,340
Well, I love how she's how she's
sticking up for the for the

1430
01:32:47,340 --> 01:32:51,450
Polish guy. Right, right. Right,
right. What the hell is rape,

1431
01:32:51,450 --> 01:32:54,090
rape? Is that something that

1432
01:32:56,640 --> 01:33:01,140
your face comes to the window
kind of right? Is that like,

1433
01:33:01,140 --> 01:33:04,170
that's totally disgusting. Like,
why don't people like that get

1434
01:33:04,170 --> 01:33:08,100
counsel? Could you imagine
getting on TV and defending our

1435
01:33:08,100 --> 01:33:11,670
Kelly? Our Kelly via what really
right, right? Imagine if a black

1436
01:33:11,670 --> 01:33:13,830
man would have got on television
was saying that they would have

1437
01:33:13,830 --> 01:33:18,060
been out the Boulay phone with a
ring man episode highlight.

1438
01:33:25,530 --> 01:33:28,950
I'm glad you caught on to that.
Like she said, Of course, of

1439
01:33:28,950 --> 01:33:33,660
course. Of course that you think
that's crazy. Why do you get to

1440
01:33:33,660 --> 01:33:34,470
the second clip?

1441
01:33:36,090 --> 01:33:38,820
He forgives him but forgiveness
is not permission and

1442
01:33:38,820 --> 01:33:42,510
forgiveness doesn't mean he
didn't break the law. So I agree

1443
01:33:42,510 --> 01:33:45,810
with you sharing and if there's
a point somebody brought up

1444
01:33:45,810 --> 01:33:49,350
backstage if he wasn't famous,
would we be would we be

1445
01:33:49,350 --> 01:33:52,380
protecting him as much as we are
because he his friend, his

1446
01:33:52,380 --> 01:33:56,610
friend, Otto Otto Weisinger fit,
you know, millions and millions

1447
01:33:56,610 --> 01:33:58,860
of people love his work. He's a
brilliant guy. He made a little

1448
01:33:58,860 --> 01:34:02,580
mistake. 32 years ago,
Switzerland said auto Weiser

1449
01:34:02,580 --> 01:34:06,750
Polanski's friend. Wow, you
know, I have to tell you, again,

1450
01:34:06,810 --> 01:34:10,050
you know, we're we're a
different kind of society, we

1451
01:34:10,050 --> 01:34:14,430
see things differently. The
world sees 13 year olds and 14

1452
01:34:14,430 --> 01:34:21,360
year olds, the rest of Europe,
they're seen oftentimes. Well,

1453
01:34:21,360 --> 01:34:25,080
Sherry, I don't know but I do
know that not everybody agrees

1454
01:34:25,080 --> 01:34:28,980
with the way that we see things.
Now what I want my 14 year old

1455
01:34:28,980 --> 01:34:33,840
having sex with somebody not
necessarily no now. I will tell

1456
01:34:33,840 --> 01:34:38,700
you that I'm not surprised that
they that he hasn't come back

1457
01:34:38,700 --> 01:34:43,260
I'm not surprised that he didn't
come back under the guise that a

1458
01:34:43,260 --> 01:34:48,540
would have 31 years ago. Will he
get a different kind of feel now

1459
01:34:48,570 --> 01:34:49,290
maybe

1460
01:34:50,430 --> 01:34:53,040
that's pretty incredible. How
old is that? This is a commonly

1461
01:34:53,040 --> 01:34:57,090
be like I get back from that
time from

1462
01:34:57,090 --> 01:35:03,030
the cost. Yeah, this is this is
right around ah Let's see. Maybe

1463
01:35:03,030 --> 01:35:07,440
2014 2015 cuz I think that's
when the clip that she wanted to

1464
01:35:07,440 --> 01:35:11,130
case drop I think that's when,
yeah, you know right after after

1465
01:35:12,030 --> 01:35:16,680
that happening, but a different
kind of society. I'm not what I

1466
01:35:16,680 --> 01:35:18,600
don't know what kind of society
she lives in.

1467
01:35:19,199 --> 01:35:26,729
well being is her real name is
Karen Johnson. She lives in a

1468
01:35:26,729 --> 01:35:29,909
fantasy world regardless, he
sees you.

1469
01:35:30,810 --> 01:35:36,150
Who has, I want to know who's
pulling with these strings for

1470
01:35:36,150 --> 01:35:40,770
her to go out on a limb like
that. And mcclymont. ABC is

1471
01:35:41,760 --> 01:35:43,350
Whoopi is a company woman.

1472
01:35:44,160 --> 01:35:47,550
So she asked me she's whatever
Disney wants her to say. She

1473
01:35:47,550 --> 01:35:48,960
says that that's the way I

1474
01:35:49,380 --> 01:35:51,600
sleep with 30 year olds now
that's all you had to say. Thank

1475
01:35:51,600 --> 01:35:51,750
you.

1476
01:35:55,260 --> 01:35:57,690
Disney outfit. Yeah, yeah.

1477
01:35:59,130 --> 01:36:02,010
And this is why this show is
important because you will not

1478
01:36:02,010 --> 01:36:07,620
have this conversation anywhere
else. Because, as you say, she's

1479
01:36:07,620 --> 01:36:12,210
a company woman. And most people
are better company people can't

1480
01:36:12,210 --> 01:36:15,180
have discussions like this, but
we can on the move facts were

1481
01:36:15,180 --> 01:36:15,720
encouraged.

1482
01:36:16,710 --> 01:36:19,980
The white man in the black man
have to be able to sit down at

1483
01:36:19,980 --> 01:36:23,340
the same table for white men has
to feel free to speak his mind

1484
01:36:23,340 --> 01:36:26,130
without hurting the feelings are
both Negro. And the so called

1485
01:36:26,130 --> 01:36:29,130
Negro has to feel free to speak
his mind without hurting the

1486
01:36:29,130 --> 01:36:31,920
feeling of the white man, then
they can bring the issues that

1487
01:36:31,920 --> 01:36:34,800
are under the rug on top of the
table and take an intelligent

1488
01:36:34,860 --> 01:36:37,740
approach to get the problem
solved. That's the only way to

1489
01:36:37,740 --> 01:36:38,010
do it.

1490
01:36:40,230 --> 01:36:43,170
And that's exactly what we're
doing here. And we've been doing

1491
01:36:43,170 --> 01:36:47,340
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number 65. Now this is a couple

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of more than a couple of weeks
that stacked um so some of it

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may be a little bit on the on
the crusty side when it comes to

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the content of the notes but we
really appreciate the support

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and we kick it right off with
Philip brown $165 shot Carla 20

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is blaze on am Paula big baller
there you go $100 value for

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01:38:09,360 --> 01:38:15,570
value he says and 65 for 65 and
then he adds a 73 of course ham

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01:38:15,570 --> 01:38:18,750
radio operator keela one five
November Tango Yankee thank you

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01:38:18,750 --> 01:38:21,360
so much for that we really
really appreciate the support.

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And then Chris Bailey and again
these are showed donations. It

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01:38:26,880 --> 01:38:32,460
comes in with the same basic
concept. Shot Caller 20 is blaze

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oh man Paula. Chris hits us up
with two separate donations the

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01:38:38,160 --> 01:38:41,490
first one 100 and he says
without so much value from the

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01:38:41,490 --> 01:38:44,190
last show I decided I need to
make this donation my first

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01:38:44,190 --> 01:38:48,030
executive producer credit but I
can't let the show number club

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01:38:48,030 --> 01:38:51,090
street die Be on the lookout for
that in a second donation. And

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01:38:51,090 --> 01:38:57,720
he also wants a goat Russa and
indeed his second donation $65

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01:38:57,900 --> 01:39:01,560
and he made good on it for the
big baller for this episode. And

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01:39:01,560 --> 01:39:04,140
let me see he's got a goat
whoosah

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01:39:13,170 --> 01:39:16,110
we got Brian Lewis now this is
make good one. This would make

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01:39:16,110 --> 01:39:17,790
good from from what Moe?

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01:39:18,690 --> 01:39:22,740
This was we missed him from the
last show. Oh okay. We missed

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01:39:22,740 --> 01:39:27,960
this note he was at the bottom
so we missed them but our makers

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01:39:28,350 --> 01:39:29,850
now we move your right to the
top

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01:39:31,410 --> 01:39:35,310
and you got $2.12 and you're
right under the big ballers with

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01:39:35,310 --> 01:39:38,070
the make good This doesn't mean
that you know we're always going

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01:39:38,070 --> 01:39:41,010
to be forgetting people for this
to happen here's this note can't

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01:39:41,010 --> 01:39:44,040
wait to donate some more mon out
of all I can say is wow I

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01:39:44,040 --> 01:39:46,860
donated last episode saw my name
in the show notes but was not

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01:39:46,860 --> 01:39:49,830
mentioned yet. We screwed it up.
All that matters is that you got

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01:39:49,830 --> 01:39:53,760
the money now. It matters it's
vague works both ways. Keep it

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01:39:53,760 --> 01:39:56,310
up fellas can't wait to hear Moe
and Adam crushed the 100th

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01:39:56,310 --> 01:39:59,850
episode bring us all together.
United we stand and thank you

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01:39:59,850 --> 01:40:02,280
very Much Brian sorry we missed
that note man glad we got it now

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01:40:02,280 --> 01:40:07,710
$150 from David Boswell big
fezzik here what you two are

1542
01:40:07,710 --> 01:40:11,130
doing is meaningful is changing
me deeply with every episode I'm

1543
01:40:11,130 --> 01:40:14,790
so thankful that you are both
are sharing this work changes my

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01:40:14,790 --> 01:40:18,990
life too I think most would
probably say the same $100 from

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01:40:18,990 --> 01:40:22,050
William Bullock, another
executive producer Episode 65

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01:40:22,050 --> 01:40:26,100
value for value in his notes
Brock Reinhold says thanks for

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01:40:26,100 --> 01:40:30,060
the show. Whoo hoo. With a hundy
for us. Appreciate that. Brock.

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01:40:31,050 --> 01:40:37,740
Kyle man to Kyler Kylie. Thanks,
Trevor. Kyle $88. Great show,

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01:40:37,740 --> 01:40:40,830
Kyle says cut one of the early
episodes forgot about the show

1550
01:40:40,830 --> 01:40:43,050
then heard a recent episode
we'll listen to the no agenda

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01:40:43,050 --> 01:40:45,600
stream on a late night in the
office. The episode was

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01:40:45,600 --> 01:40:48,720
fascinating. And I've listened
through the about eight of the

1553
01:40:48,720 --> 01:40:52,320
archived episodes so far, can
see things have really been

1554
01:40:52,320 --> 01:40:55,410
coming together. Mo the
preparation you put into the

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01:40:55,410 --> 01:40:57,930
shows comes through and there's
good chemistry between the two

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01:40:57,930 --> 01:41:00,510
of you. I feel that your
analysis has given me a better

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01:41:00,510 --> 01:41:02,550
understanding for parts of
America that I've never had a

1558
01:41:02,550 --> 01:41:05,940
deep understanding of being
adjacent to much of my life

1559
01:41:05,940 --> 01:41:09,030
living in cities in Ohio and
also for a while new year old

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01:41:09,030 --> 01:41:12,240
home of Durham. Many mainstream
narratives are either from a

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01:41:12,240 --> 01:41:15,360
left wing perspective that
breaks the common man or from a

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01:41:15,360 --> 01:41:17,760
colorblind right wing
perspective that's lacking in

1563
01:41:17,760 --> 01:41:21,930
depth. Yeah, that's a fair
point. That your perspective is

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01:41:21,930 --> 01:41:25,500
rich and nuanced and
humanization. And I found the

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01:41:25,500 --> 01:41:29,310
show novel and informative.
That's a novel show. Thank you,

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01:41:29,310 --> 01:41:32,520
Kyle. Appreciate that as a blurb
for the show. That is that is a

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01:41:32,520 --> 01:41:35,610
good blurb right there. Yeah, we
associate executive producer

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01:41:35,610 --> 01:41:40,650
territory here by the way with
August Alexander van Poppel. Hi,

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01:41:40,650 --> 01:41:42,780
Adam and Moe, here's a little
token of appreciation for your

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01:41:42,780 --> 01:41:45,720
wonderful podcast. It's always
worth the weight. So please keep

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01:41:45,720 --> 01:41:48,480
up the good work and we do
appreciate everybody for hanging

1572
01:41:48,480 --> 01:41:53,790
in there for sure. Mike McCoy
with the show number donation

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01:41:53,790 --> 01:41:58,050
$65. I consider this podcast one
of the most important classes

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01:41:58,050 --> 01:42:01,650
have ever taken he writes the
depth of knowledge you brought

1575
01:42:01,650 --> 01:42:04,680
to my worldview is something I
can never truly thank you both

1576
01:42:04,680 --> 01:42:08,040
enough for. To all the producers
out there is really worth the

1577
01:42:08,040 --> 01:42:10,650
listen from beginning from
Episode One. A lot of people

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01:42:10,650 --> 01:42:15,180
doing that. Hoping for mo karma
for all love and let PS there

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01:42:15,180 --> 01:42:17,100
was a producer from last show
looking for someone to do a

1580
01:42:17,100 --> 01:42:19,710
podcast with I would be
interested if you could hook us

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01:42:19,710 --> 01:42:22,920
up at his discretion of course,
contact to follow Tor pecks

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01:42:22,920 --> 01:42:29,490
eleven@gmail.com to RP x 11.
That's one one@gmail.com. And of

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01:42:29,490 --> 01:42:30,120
course we got it.

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01:42:30,480 --> 01:42:33,150
We're sorry, we we need to
create a site like podcasts

1585
01:42:33,150 --> 01:42:39,510
mingle. So podcasters partners
can find each other. You know,

1586
01:42:40,290 --> 01:42:43,770
another business idea is born.
Well you got to stop doing this

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01:42:43,770 --> 01:42:44,130
to me.

1588
01:42:50,250 --> 01:42:54,180
We're looking at sir d h slammer
who came in with a show donation

1589
01:42:54,180 --> 01:42:58,260
I'm sure for the last show we'll
pop him in for today he had 64

1590
01:42:58,860 --> 01:43:02,250
and he writes rich in knowledge
but currently cash poor still

1591
01:43:02,250 --> 01:43:04,710
funding the important things in
life with the show club

1592
01:43:04,710 --> 01:43:07,500
donation. Thank you for your
courage. Can I get a belated

1593
01:43:07,500 --> 01:43:11,130
biscuit for my birthday? Thank
you very much, sir. Do give me a

1594
01:43:11,130 --> 01:43:14,040
biscuit on my birthday. That's
right. No disco biscuits for

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01:43:14,040 --> 01:43:14,250
Yeah.

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01:43:14,730 --> 01:43:18,090
Yeah. Moving that back over to
the other side.

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01:43:19,980 --> 01:43:22,620
All right, we have a couple more
associate executive producers

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01:43:22,620 --> 01:43:26,670
$50 from Harald comer Meyer, who
says I like the discussion. Keep

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01:43:26,670 --> 01:43:30,270
up the good work, Cohen Prowl,
don't need to keep it on a

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01:43:30,270 --> 01:43:33,090
schedule. But keep bringing
those mo facts. And actually we

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01:43:33,120 --> 01:43:35,880
in mo and I have had some chats
and we really do want to get

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01:43:35,880 --> 01:43:39,690
this on the schedule. In fact, I
think we're on a schedule now.

1603
01:43:40,320 --> 01:43:45,690
every other Wednesday. He says
love Yep. Love your yard and

1604
01:43:45,690 --> 01:43:49,350
includes you curry even though
we all know mo is the star of

1605
01:43:49,350 --> 01:43:53,520
the show. lol Hello. I'm just
I'm just riding the coattails

1606
01:43:53,940 --> 01:44:00,300
clips of the star. No, the clips
are not a mess. When I say this,

1607
01:44:00,480 --> 01:44:05,310
about the schedule, everything
else. The value is even more

1608
01:44:05,310 --> 01:44:09,570
important now with getting
mandate proof if people were

1609
01:44:09,570 --> 01:44:13,140
wondering where we're like
sometimes real life kind of gets

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01:44:13,140 --> 01:44:17,610
in the way because we see what
comment we're in. So this value

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01:44:17,610 --> 01:44:22,440
really is really maybe dependent
upon at some point if things go

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01:44:22,440 --> 01:44:27,990
left. Yes. Well, yes, I just
want to put that out here.

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01:44:30,090 --> 01:44:32,280
Let's put it this way. We've
been saving our money for a

1614
01:44:32,280 --> 01:44:36,570
rainy day that could become and
this import will be needed more

1615
01:44:36,570 --> 01:44:43,470
than ever. Okay, where are we
now? We're at Cowen's

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01:44:43,890 --> 01:44:47,070
anybody, I'm sorry, but we don't
miss anybody.

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01:44:48,930 --> 01:44:52,080
I want to do that. We got Cohen
now we got William Taylor $50.

1618
01:44:52,080 --> 01:44:55,050
Thank you for the meet each
episode an extraordinary

1619
01:44:55,050 --> 01:44:58,350
podcast. Can I get a mod Carmen
please. And that's from hig

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01:44:58,380 --> 01:45:05,340
Hawker. You've got mocha, and
we'll be thinking more people in

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01:45:05,340 --> 01:45:07,890
a minute after our final
associate executive you got some

1622
01:45:07,890 --> 01:45:12,420
more Yeah, I finally executive
producer is that I didn't know

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01:45:12,420 --> 01:45:15,180
if you missed it. Oh, no, no,
no, I got it. I was I was trying

1624
01:45:15,180 --> 01:45:16,260
to do something different
though.

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01:45:19,980 --> 01:45:24,150
Shot man, we missed somebody
that I'll take that and I hear

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01:45:24,150 --> 01:45:26,640
you. People's value, man. It's
their value.

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01:45:26,880 --> 01:45:30,600
But now I got to pronounce this
name. I'm sorry. Holy yummy. Oh,

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01:45:30,600 --> 01:45:36,000
yummy. fiware Hinde. Me, that
was worth it. It was worth it.

1629
01:45:36,540 --> 01:45:39,540
You know, this is probably one
of those bend over names that

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01:45:39,540 --> 01:45:47,280
I'm not catching yet. Oh, me,
Flower Flower. Hinde. Me. Wow,

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01:45:47,310 --> 01:45:50,130
you got it. Me, I want to know,
I don't want to know about your

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01:45:50,130 --> 01:45:52,920
name. It's very curious about
that. $50 and associate

1633
01:45:52,920 --> 01:45:55,860
executive producer for you and
says, Thanks for the podcast

1634
01:45:55,860 --> 01:45:59,460
with Adam Curry learning a lot.
And you bet. So we're going to

1635
01:45:59,460 --> 01:46:01,980
leave it at that for now. We'll
come back in a little bit to do

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01:46:01,980 --> 01:46:05,820
the rest of our of our list all
the way down to the bottom.

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01:46:05,820 --> 01:46:08,610
Hopefully don't miss anybody.
But for this list of our

1638
01:46:08,610 --> 01:46:10,860
executive producers and
associate executive producers,

1639
01:46:10,860 --> 01:46:14,490
our show donation producers are
big ballers. Thank you for

1640
01:46:14,490 --> 01:46:18,720
supporting Moe facts with Adam
Curry, Episode Number 65. Your

1641
01:46:18,720 --> 01:46:21,270
value is appreciated. We
continue to bring it for you.

1642
01:46:21,450 --> 01:46:25,110
And we love hearing what you
have to say about it. Support us

1643
01:46:25,230 --> 01:46:28,350
with a new podcast app new
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1644
01:46:28,350 --> 01:46:31,650
you feel like it, send us a
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1645
01:46:31,650 --> 01:46:36,120
mo facts comm or directly to the
donation page mo fund me.com

1646
01:46:36,120 --> 01:46:37,590
thanks again for supporting the
show.

1647
01:46:39,450 --> 01:46:41,430
Alright, so one more thing I
would like to add it when you go

1648
01:46:41,430 --> 01:46:45,030
to the mo Fahmy comm you will
find now that there is a p o box

1649
01:46:45,030 --> 01:46:50,490
there for the people that want
to send in a check cash gold

1650
01:46:50,520 --> 01:46:51,510
blooms.

1651
01:46:52,560 --> 01:46:54,480
Yep, money orders.

1652
01:46:55,139 --> 01:46:58,559
Right. So just let people know
that. So speaking of speaking of

1653
01:46:58,559 --> 01:47:04,349
checks, we have to go and see
who pulled the trigger on bill

1654
01:47:04,379 --> 01:47:07,499
to get this whole thing rolling.
And what was their compensation.

1655
01:47:07,499 --> 01:47:12,659
So now we have to get into a
handle burse his stand up joke

1656
01:47:13,020 --> 01:47:17,730
back in 2006 after Bill Cosby
dealt with a civil lawsuit

1657
01:47:17,760 --> 01:47:20,940
alleging that he sexually
assaulted a woman. Now there

1658
01:47:20,940 --> 01:47:24,510
were 13 other women that came
forward as part of that case,

1659
01:47:24,510 --> 01:47:28,260
and before any of them could
testify. Cosby decided to

1660
01:47:28,260 --> 01:47:31,770
actually settle the suit with
the woman who filed the suit

1661
01:47:31,770 --> 01:47:35,070
against him. Her name is Andrea
constant. Now originally, she

1662
01:47:35,070 --> 01:47:38,130
wanted to file a criminal
lawsuit however, prosecutors

1663
01:47:38,130 --> 01:47:41,760
said that there wasn't enough
evidence to do so. So now as a

1664
01:47:41,760 --> 01:47:45,180
result, fast forward to today, a
comedian decided to make some

1665
01:47:45,180 --> 01:47:49,200
interesting commentary on this
entire sexual assault case. And

1666
01:47:49,230 --> 01:47:51,570
of course, it's making
headlines. I want you guys to

1667
01:47:51,570 --> 01:47:53,340
take a look at the video and
then we'll discuss

1668
01:47:53,580 --> 01:48:18,360
Bill Cosby black people on TV
and a successful sitcom on stage

1669
01:48:24,240 --> 01:48:30,630
Bill Cosby himself if you want
to rate this public Teflon image

1670
01:48:30,690 --> 01:48:33,690
outlet has been on stage and
people don't believe you they're

1671
01:48:33,690 --> 01:48:44,370
making it up. No, he have said
if you didn't know about Google

1672
01:48:44,370 --> 01:48:45,180
Bill Cosby.

1673
01:48:50,670 --> 01:48:56,010
Yeah, man, I forgot about that.
He was it was his joke. Yeah.

1674
01:48:56,310 --> 01:49:00,990
He lit the fuse here. Or did he?
Was he just doing a stand up and

1675
01:49:00,990 --> 01:49:03,150
people took this and said, You
know what, we could take this

1676
01:49:03,150 --> 01:49:07,290
and run with it. And we can say
You know what? It was a black

1677
01:49:07,290 --> 01:49:12,210
man. That you're saying that? Do
that initiate this whole circus

1678
01:49:12,210 --> 01:49:18,960
into action? To take down
another black man. Oh, and I'll

1679
01:49:18,960 --> 01:49:23,940
be honest with you before this I
had never heard never heard of

1680
01:49:23,940 --> 01:49:26,910
handlebars. Somebody can correct
me if I'm wrong, but I've never

1681
01:49:26,910 --> 01:49:31,050
seen him on Comedy Central or on
Def Jam. I've

1682
01:49:31,050 --> 01:49:33,150
never heard of him since could
be honest.

1683
01:49:33,480 --> 01:49:39,480
Well, we're gonna get to why you
ever heard of him. But another

1684
01:49:39,480 --> 01:49:43,710
thing is and we talked about the
American that America's dad and

1685
01:49:43,710 --> 01:49:49,170
the takedown the patriarchy, but
also now understanding of

1686
01:49:49,170 --> 01:49:54,270
respectability politics, and how
that's like the third rail. You

1687
01:49:54,270 --> 01:49:59,640
had to go because we talked
about respect to respectability,

1688
01:49:59,640 --> 01:50:02,280
politics. On the last semester,
pull up your pants cut your

1689
01:50:02,280 --> 01:50:06,930
hair. Right, right right English
all the things bill was saying

1690
01:50:06,930 --> 01:50:09,690
he was rewet he will he was
trying

1691
01:50:09,750 --> 01:50:13,110
he was trying to he was trying
to shape up the black man that

1692
01:50:13,110 --> 01:50:16,380
we can't have that we gotta we
gotta use those two for our own

1693
01:50:16,380 --> 01:50:16,980
agenda.

1694
01:50:17,520 --> 01:50:23,370
That is correct. So now we have
a guy named Joe Rogan. But um

1695
01:50:23,400 --> 01:50:28,170
Hello birth. I've heard of his
show. Okay, kind of a burst sat

1696
01:50:28,170 --> 01:50:31,800
down with him and talked about
the aftermath of Bill Cosby.

1697
01:50:31,950 --> 01:50:36,810
Have you like completely move
past all the Cosby chinar

1698
01:50:36,810 --> 01:50:41,940
details still take grief for
that. That grief No, I've uh,

1699
01:50:42,180 --> 01:50:43,530
now you're vindicated.

1700
01:50:44,219 --> 01:50:51,179
I was a grief is just where I
would be forced to talk about it

1701
01:50:51,179 --> 01:50:58,679
and situations it wants to and
also it came out the joke in a

1702
01:50:58,679 --> 01:51:03,719
video came out right before we
were starting the rollout from

1703
01:51:03,719 --> 01:51:08,849
my comedy central TV show. And
we actually people that we

1704
01:51:08,849 --> 01:51:14,459
pushed back my announcement
because that look, an

1705
01:51:14,459 --> 01:51:19,649
opportunist and news was that
crazy that we pushed it back by

1706
01:51:19,649 --> 01:51:23,669
maybe he pushed it back the
premier announced by a month or

1707
01:51:23,669 --> 01:51:28,619
two Why? Because he was that and
so. So even though I had my

1708
01:51:28,619 --> 01:51:33,899
comedy central deal in place,
this instance 2012 ad all around

1709
01:51:33,899 --> 01:51:36,959
Comedy Central deal is so then
when that came out, and then I

1710
01:51:36,959 --> 01:51:41,429
got my show with it. Well, then
my show was scheduled going to

1711
01:51:41,429 --> 01:51:44,069
air it look like Oh, he did the
cosmic joke. And then he got the

1712
01:51:44,069 --> 01:51:49,319
TV show. No, man, this is like
my fourth development deal. And

1713
01:51:49,319 --> 01:51:50,729
this is finally the show that I
got.

1714
01:51:52,290 --> 01:51:58,200
Isn't it funny how things work?
It's funny how that works like

1715
01:51:58,200 --> 01:52:01,290
you do you do the Cosby joke and
then you get the show.

1716
01:52:04,170 --> 01:52:07,830
He said he was in the fourth
development deal. So this is

1717
01:52:07,830 --> 01:52:12,480
what the the person that wrote
and talk about nuance and

1718
01:52:12,480 --> 01:52:15,840
humanizing. We're not going to
jump on handlebars and say that

1719
01:52:16,020 --> 01:52:18,840
he was sat down on a smoking
room I ate Hannibal, you're

1720
01:52:18,840 --> 01:52:23,910
going to write this joke. You're
gonna say you're gonna say he's

1721
01:52:23,910 --> 01:52:26,010
gonna be a great it's gonna be
great and your show is gonna be

1722
01:52:26,010 --> 01:52:30,090
kind of pulled off but it's not
it's not how it works. They know

1723
01:52:30,090 --> 01:52:36,090
this, Joe. I think they gave it
gas or the Young Turks. I saw on

1724
01:52:36,570 --> 01:52:37,590
Fox News.

1725
01:52:39,120 --> 01:52:42,060
On a second let me just let me
correctly the way I believe it

1726
01:52:42,060 --> 01:52:46,410
to work. Okay, please. But he
did the joke. The joke made the

1727
01:52:46,410 --> 01:52:51,210
special work for them. For
whatever reason, they didn't

1728
01:52:51,210 --> 01:52:54,810
tell him to write the joke but
but it was the fourth the fourth

1729
01:52:54,810 --> 01:52:57,780
development deal. Finally they
said out now you got something

1730
01:52:57,780 --> 01:52:58,920
we can use son.

1731
01:53:01,260 --> 01:53:04,380
I'm thinking that it happened.
He told the joke. I needed to

1732
01:53:04,380 --> 01:53:08,850
development deal. He picked up
press. You know, whoever meets

1733
01:53:08,850 --> 01:53:13,170
who ever wants to give it gas,
Young Turks. Fox five. I heard I

1734
01:53:13,170 --> 01:53:18,540
heard his helmet burgers. That
was my question. Like, who is

1735
01:53:18,540 --> 01:53:22,350
this guy? And then they call me
like, Hey, we got to show you

1736
01:53:22,350 --> 01:53:26,190
one. And I think it'd be a great
time for it. When you go out,

1737
01:53:26,190 --> 01:53:28,290
you know, you're gonna be asked
about it. And then that's like,

1738
01:53:28,320 --> 01:53:31,830
you know how to press the it's
like, oh, we hate to ask you

1739
01:53:31,830 --> 01:53:35,010
this. But while we have you
here, Bill Cosby. He's a rapist.

1740
01:53:35,190 --> 01:53:38,310
He was like, What? I came here
to talk about my shoulders about

1741
01:53:38,310 --> 01:53:41,220
to go off. So I guess I don't
want to shoot man. Do

1742
01:53:41,220 --> 01:53:46,230
you know that this guy? He's the
voice of fly low FM on Grand

1743
01:53:46,230 --> 01:53:47,040
Theft Auto.

1744
01:53:48,300 --> 01:53:52,500
I'd never played that game. So
I'm there. Yeah. What's wrong

1745
01:53:52,500 --> 01:53:57,120
with you? Like killin hookers?
Come on. I'm a sports guy. I

1746
01:53:57,120 --> 01:54:06,060
play basketball, football and
anything with Mario. I gotcha.

1747
01:54:06,750 --> 01:54:09,690
But yeah, I think that's how it
goes is that while you're on

1748
01:54:09,690 --> 01:54:12,840
your press run, you're going to
be asked about Bill. Yeah, he

1749
01:54:12,840 --> 01:54:16,950
was saying that. He said I felt
forced to talk about it. And

1750
01:54:16,950 --> 01:54:19,410
then it makes him look bad.
Like, oh, here's God took down

1751
01:54:19,410 --> 01:54:22,800
Bill Cosby, that kind of thing.
And he really alluded to in the

1752
01:54:22,800 --> 01:54:27,480
stand up that bill cod was
Teflon. So even speaks more to

1753
01:54:27,480 --> 01:54:30,000
my like, why did why was he
allowed to be taken down like

1754
01:54:30,000 --> 01:54:33,180
this? I'm not saying he
shouldn't but I'm just just

1755
01:54:33,180 --> 01:54:37,800
curious how that happened. So we
have a spark to Rogen and

1756
01:54:37,800 --> 01:54:38,460
Hannibal clip.

1757
01:54:38,669 --> 01:54:45,329
But so that was that was the
thing where instead of instead

1758
01:54:45,329 --> 01:54:48,329
of just having this show that I
was able to it was his energy

1759
01:54:48,839 --> 01:54:54,359
around it, you know, in 2005,
July like yet, or early 2000. It

1760
01:54:54,359 --> 01:54:58,649
was this energy around it. Where
if I was going to do press

1761
01:54:58,769 --> 01:55:01,409
around that time, they would
Definitely going to what year

1762
01:55:01,409 --> 01:55:08,549
was it? This was 2015, so years
ago to 2015. And that show it

1763
01:55:08,549 --> 01:55:14,339
fairly was October 2014. So,
yeah, it just kind of really

1764
01:55:14,819 --> 01:55:24,119
affected the energy around it as
far as in my want, and eagerness

1765
01:55:24,119 --> 01:55:28,139
to do a lot of press, just
because I knew I was gonna come

1766
01:55:28,139 --> 01:55:32,369
up. Yeah. And I was just like I
was. So that was that. I'm not

1767
01:55:32,369 --> 01:55:36,989
saying that that's the reason my
shows not on anymore. People

1768
01:55:36,989 --> 01:55:37,559
like your self

1769
01:55:43,920 --> 01:55:48,030
awareness, self awareness to
say, if I go out here, you know,

1770
01:55:48,030 --> 01:55:50,610
I'm doing all the Letterman's
and all you know, all these

1771
01:55:50,610 --> 01:55:54,270
shows. And and I get, keep
getting acts. So about Bill

1772
01:55:54,270 --> 01:55:58,020
Cosby. So about Bill Cosby. So
about Bill Cosby. That's how you

1773
01:55:58,020 --> 01:56:04,470
get your own car real quick. Um,
so he, he's making that

1774
01:56:04,470 --> 01:56:07,440
calculation, you can hear it in
his voice that he didn't really

1775
01:56:07,440 --> 01:56:11,580
say that, but he understands
that this can clearly be

1776
01:56:11,610 --> 01:56:17,310
perceived as a butter biscuit of
your show for taking bill down.

1777
01:56:18,330 --> 01:56:20,880
When I when I'm saying that I
don't think that's for one

1778
01:56:20,880 --> 01:56:22,680
for one season, and then it was
gone.

1779
01:56:23,280 --> 01:56:26,340
And then for him to be on it and
take a man's word for him to be

1780
01:56:26,340 --> 01:56:30,030
on his fourth production deal.
Obviously, he wasn't maybe he

1781
01:56:30,060 --> 01:56:32,970
did a lot of writing for people.
And you know, he was plenty like

1782
01:56:32,970 --> 01:56:36,090
that. But like, on the other
hand, though, is I've never

1783
01:56:36,090 --> 01:56:39,150
heard of this guy before. And
now you're taking down

1784
01:56:39,180 --> 01:56:43,200
but he does have a resume. He
does. I mean, yeah, just saying,

1785
01:56:43,290 --> 01:56:44,820
you know, looking. Okay.

1786
01:56:45,480 --> 01:56:48,330
I mean, it's on my
consciousness, you know, my

1787
01:56:48,330 --> 01:56:52,950
entertainment, radar. I'm like,
who is Hannibal burres? So it

1788
01:56:52,950 --> 01:56:56,190
seemed very opportunistic. Is
this the point I'm trying to

1789
01:56:56,190 --> 01:57:00,090
highlight is this person, I
never heard of it. It's a lot of

1790
01:57:00,090 --> 01:57:04,170
comedians that does do a lot of
work and a lot of writing behind

1791
01:57:04,170 --> 01:57:06,780
the scenes that you never
actually hear. Oh, so I'm not

1792
01:57:06,780 --> 01:57:09,240
saying he's not talented. That's
not what I'm saying. What I'm

1793
01:57:09,240 --> 01:57:12,570
saying is you put two and two
together, it can look to be

1794
01:57:12,570 --> 01:57:16,230
four. Right? Like, okay, you did
The Cosby Show, you get a show.

1795
01:57:18,510 --> 01:57:22,980
Wow, like, that looks fishy,
which I'm not saying this

1796
01:57:22,980 --> 01:57:25,560
happened. But I'm just saying,
This is how the ball got

1797
01:57:25,560 --> 01:57:30,480
rolling. But now we get to why
it actually can take hold, build

1798
01:57:30,480 --> 01:57:36,060
itself no favors at The Cosby
Show. In the old day. You

1799
01:57:36,060 --> 01:57:36,570
couldn't

1800
01:57:39,210 --> 01:57:45,990
because behind every drawing
change was an eye. Before your

1801
01:57:45,990 --> 01:57:50,940
mother got off the bus into the
house, she knew exactly where

1802
01:57:50,940 --> 01:57:56,460
you had gone who had gone into
the house. Parents don't know

1803
01:57:56,460 --> 01:58:02,760
that. today. I'm talking about
these people who cry when the

1804
01:58:02,760 --> 01:58:08,040
sun is standing there and and
are in suit. Where were you when

1805
01:58:08,040 --> 01:58:18,090
it was? Where were you when he
was 12? Where are you when he

1806
01:58:18,090 --> 01:58:23,280
was a thief? And I've come you
don't know. He had a pistol.

1807
01:58:23,790 --> 01:58:28,740
these are these are these are
not political criminals. These

1808
01:58:28,740 --> 01:58:33,420
are people going around stealing
Coca Cola. People getting shot

1809
01:58:33,420 --> 01:58:39,840
in the back of the head over a
piece of pound cake. And then we

1810
01:58:39,840 --> 01:58:45,630
all run out were outraged. Yeah,
how was he doing with the brown

1811
01:58:45,630 --> 01:58:45,900
cake?

1812
01:58:49,110 --> 01:58:51,660
All right, so I don't know the
pound cake reference

1813
01:58:52,139 --> 01:58:56,789
it? I don't know what either.
Oh, really? Honestly, I don't

1814
01:58:56,789 --> 01:59:01,799
know where he, I don't. This is
the famous poundcake speech.

1815
01:59:02,219 --> 01:59:06,959
This was the beginning of the
end of Bill Cosby. When you

1816
01:59:06,959 --> 01:59:12,119
start talking in terms of these
people, all right, we got to

1817
01:59:12,119 --> 01:59:14,909
look at the timing and this was
made 2004 when he gave the

1818
01:59:14,909 --> 01:59:19,559
speech and then all of a sudden
this case comes back up with the

1819
01:59:19,559 --> 01:59:22,889
woman and his civil case. You're
saying that's when the civil

1820
01:59:22,889 --> 01:59:27,719
case first started so it's like
I don't know what was going on

1821
01:59:27,719 --> 01:59:31,319
with Bill but when you start
using like say words of these

1822
01:59:31,319 --> 01:59:35,039
people, and making the
appearance that people are

1823
01:59:35,039 --> 01:59:37,949
robbing each other for Coca Cola
and shooting each other back of

1824
01:59:37,949 --> 01:59:42,419
the head for a piece of cake.
Um, we've talked a button we

1825
01:59:42,419 --> 01:59:46,439
talked about this numerous times
on the show about the drug

1826
01:59:46,439 --> 01:59:50,009
epidemic and you know, the crime
bill and all these things the

1827
01:59:50,009 --> 01:59:50,729
plate emptyeyes

1828
01:59:50,730 --> 01:59:53,730
like head bill never seen the
wire or something that he just

1829
01:59:53,730 --> 01:59:55,200
felt this was what it was.

1830
01:59:55,500 --> 01:59:59,760
Well, this bill is true blue
boulais it's like pull yourself

1831
01:59:59,760 --> 02:00:02,640
up by Your own bootstraps. I
didn't ask anybody for any

1832
02:00:02,640 --> 02:00:06,780
favors. I did it on my own that
kind of attitude. And what

1833
02:00:06,780 --> 02:00:11,820
happens is he lost timing with
the quote unquote, community,

1834
02:00:11,910 --> 02:00:17,040
which is a real thing. Because
once you lose that connectivity

1835
02:00:17,040 --> 02:00:20,970
that tether, and I'll give you
an example, Oprah, she was very

1836
02:00:20,970 --> 02:00:25,770
anti hip hop. But Oprah was wise
enough to read the tea leaves,

1837
02:00:26,190 --> 02:00:29,280
and say, You know what, I need
to make good with hip hop. I

1838
02:00:29,280 --> 02:00:33,210
need to go sit down with Jay Z
and Brooklyn. You're saying and

1839
02:00:33,210 --> 02:00:36,870
make good with hip hop? Because
I need it. She needs you're

1840
02:00:36,870 --> 02:00:40,380
against hip hop. Yeah, yeah. I
mean, you it's a whole you ain't

1841
02:00:40,380 --> 02:00:46,470
class? No, then you ain't black.
And the funny thing is, Bill

1842
02:00:46,470 --> 02:00:50,610
Cosby was very accepting of hip
hop, especially on his show. The

1843
02:00:50,610 --> 02:00:54,030
early iteration of it, like the
breakdancing? Yeah, so it was it

1844
02:00:54,030 --> 02:00:58,470
kind of played into that, um,
even brought several rappers in

1845
02:00:58,500 --> 02:01:00,870
on different worlds, which was
another choice. He is he Oh,

1846
02:01:00,870 --> 02:01:04,980
yeah. All right. So it wasn't
like he was anti hip hop. He was

1847
02:01:05,010 --> 02:01:10,800
pro black excellence, what they
were saying or respectability.

1848
02:01:11,040 --> 02:01:14,250
Yeah. And he's like this guy, we
got to get out of here. So

1849
02:01:14,520 --> 02:01:17,940
that's the that's the poundcake
speech. It's the second part you

1850
02:01:17,940 --> 02:01:18,510
want to listen to.

1851
02:01:22,200 --> 02:01:26,220
The Board of Education is no
longer the white person problem.

1852
02:01:26,430 --> 02:01:33,360
We've got to take the
neighborhood back. We've got a

1853
02:01:33,360 --> 02:01:41,130
goal is right around the corner.
standing on the corner, it can't

1854
02:01:41,130 --> 02:01:45,900
speak English. It doesn't want
to speak English. I can't even

1855
02:01:45,900 --> 02:01:46,860
talk the way the

1856
02:01:48,690 --> 02:01:55,740
why you wait where you go. I
don't know who these people are.

1857
02:01:55,950 --> 02:01:57,960
And I blame the kid. And

1858
02:02:03,420 --> 02:02:10,650
this is all in the house.
Everybody knows. Except these

1859
02:02:10,650 --> 02:02:18,360
knuckleheads, you get to play
with why you ain't. You can't be

1860
02:02:18,360 --> 02:02:23,010
a doctor with that kind of crap
coming out of your mouth. Why

1861
02:02:23,010 --> 02:02:27,450
could you hit the streets? Why
can't you clean it out yourself?

1862
02:02:27,540 --> 02:02:33,570
It's our time now ladies and
gentlemen. It is our time. And I

1863
02:02:33,570 --> 02:02:38,310
have good news for you. This is
not about money. It's about you

1864
02:02:38,310 --> 02:02:42,390
doing something that ordinarily
we do it in somebody else's

1865
02:02:42,390 --> 02:02:48,630
business is time for you to not
accept this language that the

1866
02:02:48,630 --> 02:02:52,800
people is speaking, which will
take them nowhere. What the hell

1867
02:02:52,800 --> 02:02:56,610
good is brown versus the board
of education? If nobody wants

1868
02:02:56,610 --> 02:02:56,760
it?

1869
02:02:58,320 --> 02:03:01,050
Do you know the setting of the
speech what the who the audience

1870
02:03:01,050 --> 02:03:07,920
was? This was at the 50th
anniversary of the Brown versus

1871
02:03:07,920 --> 02:03:12,960
Board of Education Supreme Court
decision. Very boulais very

1872
02:03:12,960 --> 02:03:18,870
variable that he even referred
to a person as it. He said yeah,

1873
02:03:18,900 --> 02:03:27,360
it was so yeah, okay. This is
wow, that makes so not only

1874
02:03:28,020 --> 02:03:33,900
improves that he was quite
removed from life. And for a

1875
02:03:33,900 --> 02:03:37,800
long time playing was didn't
just printed, he just wake up

1876
02:03:37,800 --> 02:03:42,930
and Oh, they talk like this. I
mean this.

1877
02:03:45,210 --> 02:03:50,460
Well, like I said he, you got to
look at it from 1986 when Carl

1878
02:03:50,460 --> 02:03:54,990
became on until he went on
television. That was a total

1879
02:03:54,990 --> 02:03:59,310
change of black culture, or the
perception of black culture.

1880
02:03:59,430 --> 02:04:03,150
And by the way, I also think he,
he probably really means well,

1881
02:04:03,150 --> 02:04:05,640
he's like, Hey, come on people,
what the hell's going on? It's

1882
02:04:05,640 --> 02:04:08,430
about money. We need to shape
our and get our crap together.

1883
02:04:08,730 --> 02:04:13,650
But that's Riley from a very,
very, I'll just say privilege

1884
02:04:13,650 --> 02:04:16,800
standpoint. I mean, have you
really looked at what's going on

1885
02:04:16,800 --> 02:04:17,190
bill?

1886
02:04:19,950 --> 02:04:24,450
That's the thing. That's the
thing. Like he, he was very tone

1887
02:04:24,450 --> 02:04:28,230
deaf, but some of the things
he's saying is true. But at the

1888
02:04:28,230 --> 02:04:33,930
same time, are you saying it to
help people? Are you are you

1889
02:04:33,930 --> 02:04:38,580
making us in them? And if you're
making us and then the Buddha is

1890
02:04:38,580 --> 02:04:44,070
a very small part of society in
general, you know, the ruling

1891
02:04:44,070 --> 02:04:48,540
class is always gonna be smaller
than the than the, you know, the

1892
02:04:49,110 --> 02:04:51,330
general population needs a
prison term.

1893
02:04:52,860 --> 02:04:58,230
By the same token, while I hear
people laughing they probably

1894
02:04:58,230 --> 02:05:02,070
like yeah, Bill, you know, Like
that was really funny bill. That

1895
02:05:02,070 --> 02:05:04,740
was great. But that's that's
just too much of that. You don't

1896
02:05:05,010 --> 02:05:08,520
really want people to actually
better themselves, of course

1897
02:05:08,520 --> 02:05:11,880
gonna get a clue 2004 who

1898
02:05:11,910 --> 02:05:20,760
what happened in 2008? Obama
instantaneously when bill gets

1899
02:05:20,760 --> 02:05:25,860
taken away, that creates a power
vacuum in some kind of way. And

1900
02:05:25,890 --> 02:05:31,320
nothing but narrative. Obama
became the American Dad. Oh,

1901
02:05:31,320 --> 02:05:31,470
you're

1902
02:05:31,470 --> 02:05:33,360
totally with mom jeans.

1903
02:05:33,990 --> 02:05:38,520
Right. That's why he became the
new American day, right? Yeah,

1904
02:05:38,520 --> 02:05:45,420
no, yeah. So that power vacuum
was real. backstab building

1905
02:05:45,420 --> 02:05:49,170
himself, no favors but Haha, he
treated her handle burst by how

1906
02:05:49,170 --> 02:05:52,440
he spoke about him. And then we
have another comedian, Dr.

1907
02:05:52,440 --> 02:05:57,600
Healy, give us a count of their
interaction. You had a situation

1908
02:05:57,630 --> 02:06:00,930
when Bill Cosby called Sure. Can
you talk about that?

1909
02:06:01,350 --> 02:06:05,010
Well, I was, but then I got so
then I was I was doing kiss FM

1910
02:06:05,010 --> 02:06:10,050
here. Right after CNN. I was
doing kiss FM. I was in the

1911
02:06:10,050 --> 02:06:14,700
morning show. Bill Cosby a
calling to promote a gig I think

1912
02:06:14,700 --> 02:06:20,460
he was having in in Connecticut
or Pennsylvania. And I was like,

1913
02:06:20,460 --> 02:06:23,940
build on like me, and I don't
particularly care for him. So

1914
02:06:23,940 --> 02:06:26,310
I'm not gonna you know, I'll let
you guys do the interviews for

1915
02:06:26,310 --> 02:06:29,220
pre tape. So a girl named Jackie
Reed and a cat named Steve

1916
02:06:29,220 --> 02:06:32,160
Wilson, who were my co hosts
started interviewing when he was

1917
02:06:32,160 --> 02:06:36,570
such a dick. I find like for
five minutes to visit the dig. I

1918
02:06:36,570 --> 02:06:39,360
was like Mr. kazi, what is it
you like for us to know? He said

1919
02:06:39,360 --> 02:06:44,760
Who is this? He said, I said
this do he do? You say nigger

1920
02:06:44,760 --> 02:06:47,880
and I don't like your comedy.
And he went in and I was like,

1921
02:06:48,090 --> 02:06:52,740
with all due respect, Mr. Cosby,
I say nigga, but no kool aid has

1922
02:06:52,740 --> 02:06:55,200
ever woke up drug? What are
draws on backwards?

1923
02:06:59,010 --> 02:07:00,900
I'm sure he said that. Mm hmm.

1924
02:07:02,250 --> 02:07:09,780
Well, we'll never know when it
seems that this only comedic

1925
02:07:09,780 --> 02:07:12,600
circuit, especially the black
community circuit, this was

1926
02:07:12,600 --> 02:07:19,380
common knowledge. Do I say we
can all build anything because

1927
02:07:19,410 --> 02:07:23,370
handlebar bursts and it dealio
he said it very frivolous

1928
02:07:23,400 --> 02:07:26,730
flippantly as well, the way and
the way he delivers it like it's

1929
02:07:26,730 --> 02:07:31,170
well known that you know, when
women get sleepy around you, so

1930
02:07:32,070 --> 02:07:36,840
we can't say I'm not absolving
bill, anything. The first

1931
02:07:36,840 --> 02:07:39,570
segment of the show was just
show the miscarriage of justice

1932
02:07:39,570 --> 02:07:42,720
that happen, and it can ever
happen to him. It can happen to

1933
02:07:42,750 --> 02:07:47,700
anybody. And the second part I'm
going to show is that you don't

1934
02:07:47,700 --> 02:07:52,350
piss on people on the way up.
You might need those people

1935
02:07:53,310 --> 02:07:56,430
standing you're an offense.
You're saying and and I will say

1936
02:07:56,430 --> 02:08:00,900
this dl Hughley, I think him and
Bill Cosby are fraternity

1937
02:08:00,900 --> 02:08:05,100
brothers in omega alpha, I think
I'm going off memory here.

1938
02:08:06,690 --> 02:08:10,320
He is a show by himself, because
he was really big. And then all

1939
02:08:10,320 --> 02:08:13,680
of a sudden, he's doing podcasts
and he's wearing funky hats. And

1940
02:08:13,680 --> 02:08:15,660
I'm not quite sure what that
guy's deal is.

1941
02:08:16,860 --> 02:08:20,250
Well, he's a political operative
now, okay, that explain ever

1942
02:08:20,250 --> 02:08:24,240
they need to push me and he's in
one of those big markets. And I

1943
02:08:24,240 --> 02:08:27,480
always reference back to the
black radio. And in this clip,

1944
02:08:27,480 --> 02:08:29,730
he's talking about their
interaction on the black radio.

1945
02:08:30,000 --> 02:08:34,080
Um, he's out in LA and one of
the big, quote unquote, urban

1946
02:08:34,080 --> 02:08:39,060
stations in LA so you can tell
he's a political operative,

1947
02:08:39,060 --> 02:08:42,810
because when it comes to black
and brown relations, and the

1948
02:08:42,810 --> 02:08:46,980
fact that's in LA, which has a
large black and brown listening,

1949
02:08:47,400 --> 02:08:54,720
every very tappet how he handles
that, that topic. So he's very

1950
02:08:54,720 --> 02:08:57,810
deep in the deep end and who we
stand for democrat? For sure.

1951
02:08:57,810 --> 02:09:01,770
For sure. Got it. Got it. Got
it. Um, so let's just listen to

1952
02:09:01,770 --> 02:09:04,320
him and his interaction with
with Cosby on part two,

1953
02:09:04,920 --> 02:09:08,580
and we go back and forth and
back and forth. I said, I was

1954
02:09:08,580 --> 02:09:11,730
base you could be my son. I
said, but I'm not. And I said,

1955
02:09:11,970 --> 02:09:14,460
Everything you all you are
because you experiences and I

1956
02:09:14,460 --> 02:09:16,320
appreciate that, but you're not
going to denigrate what I've

1957
02:09:16,320 --> 02:09:19,170
been through. And I said, No
one's ever heard of all the

1958
02:09:19,170 --> 02:09:22,110
words people have ever said to
me. No one's ever say right. No

1959
02:09:22,110 --> 02:09:25,350
one's ever said we had this
argument. Right. And so I work

1960
02:09:25,620 --> 02:09:33,210
cage 107 housekeeping, kiss FM,
was owned by him his Bill. Bill

1961
02:09:33,210 --> 02:09:36,030
Cosby, like that table never
aired this true story. He said,

1962
02:09:36,300 --> 02:09:39,240
Give me that tape. It's not
gonna air and I said the fucking

1963
02:09:39,240 --> 02:09:44,610
day and 10 minutes later, all
the people from managers came

1964
02:09:44,610 --> 02:09:48,990
down in miscommunications took
the tape and made sure nobody

1965
02:09:48,990 --> 02:09:53,220
had a copy of it said if it ever
airs if this airs nobody in here

1966
02:09:53,220 --> 02:09:57,360
working radio, so I know that
that cat had the power to make

1967
02:09:57,360 --> 02:10:03,120
people do shit like this was the
2009 right? So this is way

1968
02:10:03,120 --> 02:10:06,930
before, but even before that,
even if you read Time and

1969
02:10:06,930 --> 02:10:10,440
Newsweek in the very back of the
paper, it talked about all these

1970
02:10:10,470 --> 02:10:14,070
great delegates. I grew up in LA
and did warm up for a lot of

1971
02:10:14,070 --> 02:10:18,420
those shows. Everybody knew it.
Everybody knew it, like Kip.

1972
02:10:18,420 --> 02:10:21,840
Cliff Huxtable is innocent. But
Bill Cosby from day one I grew

1973
02:10:21,840 --> 02:10:26,550
up, but the dude the character
is in the DNA. And I don't even

1974
02:10:26,550 --> 02:10:29,970
think that the cats like that
thought it was necessarily a

1975
02:10:29,970 --> 02:10:32,190
wrong thing to do. They just
kind of fed us what you did. You

1976
02:10:32,190 --> 02:10:34,800
gave some people doping. They
did this. They knew what the

1977
02:10:34,800 --> 02:10:38,340
deal was. So I wasn't one of
those cats who believed he was

1978
02:10:38,340 --> 02:10:39,570
innocent just because he was
fun.

1979
02:10:41,490 --> 02:10:43,890
Pa Ms. Interesting.

1980
02:10:44,910 --> 02:10:54,420
I think he summarized a lot of
feelings that Huxtable innocent.

1981
02:10:55,590 --> 02:10:58,800
Bill Cosby, a lot of smoke and
mirrors a lot of smoke. They

1982
02:10:58,800 --> 02:11:05,220
gotta be some fire, huh? Um, but
how do you separate the two? How

1983
02:11:05,220 --> 02:11:08,730
do you how do you remove a large
segment of your childhood and

1984
02:11:08,730 --> 02:11:11,280
I'm not talking about what the
show, but we're talking about

1985
02:11:11,310 --> 02:11:14,220
before with television, how to
enter a plane into the family.

1986
02:11:14,610 --> 02:11:16,650
Eight o'clock Thursday night,
you know where you're going to

1987
02:11:16,650 --> 02:11:20,400
be? You're going to be in the
living room. The dish was going

1988
02:11:20,400 --> 02:11:25,950
to be washed. It was everything
you ready for that show to come

1989
02:11:25,950 --> 02:11:30,690
on. And it's like, you live
vicariously through that family.

1990
02:11:31,200 --> 02:11:34,500
And they inspired a lot of
people to go to college and even

1991
02:11:34,500 --> 02:11:37,200
the deer show different world.
Just a little just a little

1992
02:11:37,200 --> 02:11:41,670
inside baseball on me. The Wayne
way was I mean, Dwayne Wayne was

1993
02:11:41,700 --> 02:11:46,980
a huge inspiration for me to be
smart. And cool. It's like you

1994
02:11:46,980 --> 02:11:50,550
never saw it on TV before.
Right? I can, I can see that.

1995
02:11:50,550 --> 02:11:55,680
You know, I'm funny. Okay. Yeah,
I can see that. So how do you

1996
02:11:55,680 --> 02:11:59,070
take now you removed how you
carve out that out of your

1997
02:11:59,640 --> 02:12:04,980
memory? This is why this was a
struggle for a lot of people.

1998
02:12:04,980 --> 02:12:08,760
It's like, but at the same time,
it's like Bill 6070. Women,

1999
02:12:09,000 --> 02:12:13,320
like, gotta be one or two. I
could it could be

2000
02:12:14,550 --> 02:12:21,300
interesting. It could be part of
a binary two part. Kind of MK

2001
02:12:21,300 --> 02:12:22,830
Ultra thing.

2002
02:12:23,910 --> 02:12:27,930
I think so because you it's hard
to reconcile with this boy.

2003
02:12:27,930 --> 02:12:30,420
Yeah. It confuses your brain

2004
02:12:30,420 --> 02:12:35,850
to a huge degree. Hmm,
interesting. Well, I mean, and

2005
02:12:35,850 --> 02:12:38,520
what I'm saying is, maybe
there's a part to that can be

2006
02:12:38,520 --> 02:12:43,680
used or borsa it's a continuing
program, just taking that as a

2007
02:12:43,680 --> 02:12:45,810
possibility. I'm not saying
that. That's what it is.

2008
02:12:46,170 --> 02:12:50,340
Well, let's go ahead and listen,
listen to deals last clip, and

2009
02:12:50,340 --> 02:12:54,690
then we'll get into maybe some
MK connections. So what did you

2010
02:12:54,690 --> 02:12:57,120
specifically hear? Did you ever
have like one of the girls

2011
02:12:57,120 --> 02:12:57,630
approached you?

2012
02:12:58,470 --> 02:13:02,610
Yes, it was. It was it was it
was always, I'll never forget. I

2013
02:13:02,610 --> 02:13:10,200
didn't say this cast name. But
when they were doing either the

2014
02:13:12,660 --> 02:13:15,570
it was a show that came at
different world. He was a cat

2015
02:13:15,570 --> 02:13:20,640
who was a stage manager there.
And they had led him for direct

2016
02:13:20,640 --> 02:13:24,090
one of the shows. He had the
direct one or so. But he was the

2017
02:13:24,090 --> 02:13:28,770
stage manager. And he was late.
And that man made that one black

2018
02:13:28,770 --> 02:13:32,460
because he made that black man
sit down and like he was a child

2019
02:13:32,580 --> 02:13:39,960
on the floor. Like a child. I
was like this, he really made

2020
02:13:39,960 --> 02:13:43,080
him do that in front of me. So
I've never had this kind of

2021
02:13:43,080 --> 02:13:48,240
image that that was kind of
inundated with the idea that

2022
02:13:48,240 --> 02:13:52,110
because he was a staggeringly
talented cat that he was

2023
02:13:52,320 --> 02:13:56,220
incapable of doing some shit
people accuse him of. Well, I

2024
02:13:56,220 --> 02:13:59,370
mean, Bill Cosby is always seem
to have like sort of a beef with

2025
02:13:59,370 --> 02:14:03,360
a lot of other black comedians.
This is what people don't

2026
02:14:03,360 --> 02:14:06,600
understand. When people say that
you wouldn't be if it wasn't

2027
02:14:06,600 --> 02:14:10,680
real Cosby to Bill Cosby had
owned NBC and Bill Cosby. He

2028
02:14:10,680 --> 02:14:13,980
said on the board of Warner
Bros. He Time Warner he tried to

2029
02:14:13,980 --> 02:14:17,190
stop HBO from happening. He
hated it. So all the comics, you

2030
02:14:17,190 --> 02:14:20,370
know, love and respect from the
Chappelle to the monster Duckers

2031
02:14:20,880 --> 02:14:24,300
to the kid Def Jam to the kids
Academy. He tried to stop from

2032
02:14:24,300 --> 02:14:27,060
happening. That's just true. I'm
not trying to sell his

2033
02:14:27,060 --> 02:14:28,710
character. That's absolutely
true.

2034
02:14:28,800 --> 02:14:33,390
Oh my god, I forgotten all about
that. I remember when he was so

2035
02:14:33,390 --> 02:14:37,740
big that he owned like, all this
stuff. And he was a huge

2036
02:14:37,740 --> 02:14:42,510
shareholder and he had powered
NBC was crazy. This is good

2037
02:14:42,510 --> 02:14:45,780
shot. Thanks. He's got to stop.
He tried to stop HBO, which

2038
02:14:45,780 --> 02:14:48,240
would have stopped Def Jam would
have comedy jam. Sure.

2039
02:14:48,240 --> 02:14:54,060
Yeah. Which was like the
catapult for hip hop. Hip Hop

2040
02:14:54,060 --> 02:14:59,040
comedy. No, Martin Martin was
the heir apparent to him. I

2041
02:14:59,040 --> 02:15:03,180
mean, like all this Just
connected because and I've

2042
02:15:03,180 --> 02:15:08,400
mentioned this before that eight
o'clock Thursday, Tom slot

2043
02:15:09,840 --> 02:15:13,560
something magical about that
will black America? I don't know

2044
02:15:13,560 --> 02:15:18,420
what it is because it was caused
me only at first. Now he went

2045
02:15:18,420 --> 02:15:22,740
away and then Martin fell into
that time slot. That was it now

2046
02:15:23,550 --> 02:15:24,300
let me just give you

2047
02:15:24,570 --> 02:15:27,630
an opposite side just for a
second and you know, I know that

2048
02:15:27,630 --> 02:15:31,560
you're getting you're ramping up
towards something here but what

2049
02:15:31,560 --> 02:15:36,540
if? What if Cosby saw it right?
And he saw the abuse that was

2050
02:15:36,540 --> 02:15:43,680
coming down the pike with hip
hop and the records and and

2051
02:15:44,490 --> 02:15:47,580
let's just call it general
trauma based entertainment. What

2052
02:15:47,580 --> 02:15:49,830
if you saw that coming down the
pike and what he was trying to

2053
02:15:49,830 --> 02:15:54,300
do was say, people stop you got
to stop this This is crazy.

2054
02:15:54,420 --> 02:15:57,960
We're gonna we're gonna
annihilate ourselves. And maybe

2055
02:15:57,960 --> 02:16:01,590
that's what he was saying and
the way it came out is Cosby

2056
02:16:01,590 --> 02:16:03,450
wanted to stop def comedy jam.

2057
02:16:05,460 --> 02:16:08,700
Because not agree I'm not
disagreeing with you? Because I

2058
02:16:08,700 --> 02:16:12,840
think he saw it right to Yeah,
but it was not the issue I have

2059
02:16:12,840 --> 02:16:15,660
with the whole house. No, I
understand. I understand because

2060
02:16:15,660 --> 02:16:18,240
it seek first to understand then
to be understood. And this is

2061
02:16:18,240 --> 02:16:22,950
the role of an elder alarming
when I was at age once and I was

2062
02:16:22,950 --> 02:16:28,560
doing both Uptown Saturday night
with a with a Sydney party a and

2063
02:16:28,560 --> 02:16:32,640
me he hasn't mean me bill wasn't
a squeaky clean person. That's

2064
02:16:32,640 --> 02:16:35,280
the thing is like, it's the
hypocrisy if you were like

2065
02:16:35,280 --> 02:16:39,480
squeaky clean, okay, that you
can, you know, have the right.

2066
02:16:40,259 --> 02:16:45,749
But you look you watch him with
Sammy and, and Hefner, on

2067
02:16:45,749 --> 02:16:50,489
playboy at night, you know, back
in the early 70s, or something

2068
02:16:50,489 --> 02:16:56,039
late 60s. Those cats had it
going on, man, you could tell it

2069
02:16:56,039 --> 02:16:56,759
was swinging.

2070
02:16:57,809 --> 02:17:00,629
Great. And that's the thing is
like, Bill, you've been where

2071
02:17:00,629 --> 02:17:05,369
we're at. Yeah. Is that seek
first understand them and be

2072
02:17:05,369 --> 02:17:09,809
understood. That's where Bill's
annoying was that he didn't stay

2073
02:17:09,809 --> 02:17:15,059
tied in with, you know, saying
the younger comics, being like,

2074
02:17:15,059 --> 02:17:18,359
you know what, let me show you a
shrink, so you don't have to use

2075
02:17:18,359 --> 02:17:21,689
so many cuss words, right?
Because that's the thing. Let me

2076
02:17:21,719 --> 02:17:24,479
let me show you how timing that
kind of is the transfer of

2077
02:17:24,479 --> 02:17:27,479
knowledge and you know, that
stuff you can't pay for? But he

2078
02:17:27,479 --> 02:17:31,979
was like, No, I wouldn't have it
my way. My pics and they're

2079
02:17:31,979 --> 02:17:35,339
perfect and pure. They're also
choices you make as you get

2080
02:17:35,339 --> 02:17:39,299
older, you know, where I turned,
I turned 57 and a couple of

2081
02:17:39,299 --> 02:17:45,269
days. And I'm not. It's like,
now I'm on the other side.

2082
02:17:45,269 --> 02:17:48,779
Right? So now it's I one day
will be old and be meant to

2083
02:17:48,779 --> 02:17:51,479
cleaned up and swept under the
carpet.

2084
02:17:51,840 --> 02:17:55,590
And so you can you can point it
the next generation coming

2085
02:17:55,590 --> 02:17:58,980
along, which I see is older
millennials 2829. And say you're

2086
02:17:58,980 --> 02:18:02,760
doing it wrong. Or you know,
like, Well, here's a path and

2087
02:18:02,790 --> 02:18:06,480
and go develop. And you know,
and don't try to be a

2088
02:18:06,480 --> 02:18:09,600
micromanage language, which of
course we're comedy, a lot of

2089
02:18:09,600 --> 02:18:10,740
what comedy is about.

2090
02:18:11,309 --> 02:18:14,279
Can you get the door for just a
second? Cuz I think we need to

2091
02:18:14,279 --> 02:18:19,259
see we have to have a common eye
inside a conversation.

2092
02:18:19,679 --> 02:18:24,029
Not a problem. Okay, I just
asked.

2093
02:18:24,809 --> 02:18:29,999
I just said, you could have been
the Bill Cosby to me by saying

2094
02:18:29,999 --> 02:18:33,989
hey, young man, this is how
podcasting is done. And if you

2095
02:18:33,989 --> 02:18:38,279
can't stick to a certain day or
every week at a certain time,

2096
02:18:38,489 --> 02:18:41,309
you know, you're going to fail.
And I'm going to not do business

2097
02:18:41,309 --> 02:18:43,019
with you. Now, that kind of
thing, right? But you're like,

2098
02:18:43,049 --> 02:18:48,029
hey, the proof is in the
pudding. This is what you know,

2099
02:18:48,029 --> 02:18:51,539
this is this is what I'm saying?
Like you couldn't took that I

2100
02:18:51,539 --> 02:18:54,479
know everything because I'm the
pod father kind of thing kind of

2101
02:18:54,479 --> 02:18:57,809
tone where you like, No, no, you
kind of let me feel my way

2102
02:18:57,809 --> 02:19:03,239
through it. And it made me earn
the respect to you because like,

2103
02:19:03,269 --> 02:19:06,419
Okay, this I'm talking to the
Father here. And we need to be

2104
02:19:06,419 --> 02:19:11,579
on a schedule. Like, who am I?
But it's their approach. So I

2105
02:19:11,579 --> 02:19:15,629
just want to say that is the
approach. You know, if you the

2106
02:19:15,629 --> 02:19:17,999
way you cut, especially when
you're coming in younger people.

2107
02:19:18,449 --> 02:19:20,579
I mean, you already got a chip
on your shoulder. I mean,

2108
02:19:20,579 --> 02:19:24,209
luckily we're we're too mature,
man, you know, but these guys

2109
02:19:24,209 --> 02:19:29,339
20s Yeah, this and you're coming
in all that have never worked

2110
02:19:29,339 --> 02:19:32,489
out, you know, hip hop, no turn
on the music, that kind of

2111
02:19:32,489 --> 02:19:35,519
thing. So I just wanted to just
have that conversation. I got

2112
02:19:35,519 --> 02:19:37,499
quick. Okay. All right. Got it.
Got it.

2113
02:19:37,620 --> 02:19:41,880
But and thank you. I'm glad that
I'm glad that you see it that

2114
02:19:41,880 --> 02:19:45,120
way. And I think that Yeah,
approaches everything. No doubt

2115
02:19:45,120 --> 02:19:48,090
about it. But of course, I also
don't have a seat on the board

2116
02:19:48,090 --> 02:19:53,640
at MTV NBC. I'm not worth $9
million now. Alright, doors open

2117
02:19:53,640 --> 02:20:02,430
again. Not yet. Thanks.
Appreciate that. Man. Yeah, I'm

2118
02:20:02,430 --> 02:20:03,750
hanging on I'm hanging out but,

2119
02:20:04,050 --> 02:20:08,760
but since you brought up
playboy, yeah, we got to look

2120
02:20:08,760 --> 02:20:11,970
into this relationship with
playboy Bill Cosby and Hugh

2121
02:20:11,970 --> 02:20:15,000
Hefner. So let's look at Hugh
Hefner's bedroom antics.

2122
02:20:17,460 --> 02:20:20,100
Guys Holly Madison's juicy
memoir down the rabbit hole

2123
02:20:20,100 --> 02:20:22,620
curious adventures and
cautionary tales of a former

2124
02:20:22,620 --> 02:20:25,890
Playboy bunny reveals secrets
from behind the closed gates of

2125
02:20:25,890 --> 02:20:28,890
the Playboy Mansion. Not
surprisingly, the tell all is

2126
02:20:28,890 --> 02:20:31,530
stirring the pot with Hugh
Hefner, but his former number

2127
02:20:31,530 --> 02:20:34,470
one girlfriend is not done
talking. Check out what Holly

2128
02:20:34,470 --> 02:20:37,890
says have used to do to pit the
girlfriend's against each other.

2129
02:20:37,950 --> 02:20:42,960
It's our Toyota people picking
the day. There's so many

2130
02:20:42,960 --> 02:20:45,870
interesting things revealed some
of those things were have had

2131
02:20:45,870 --> 02:20:48,390
some kind of rules and things he
liked, didn't like. So you've

2132
02:20:48,390 --> 02:20:50,670
revealed some very explicit
details here about your first

2133
02:20:50,670 --> 02:20:53,400
sexual encounter with Hugh
Hefner. You were offered

2134
02:20:53,400 --> 02:20:57,150
Quaaludes, you said, drinking a
lot to kind of make it through

2135
02:20:57,330 --> 02:21:00,420
the night, he wanted you to put
on a show of sorts and as well

2136
02:21:00,420 --> 02:21:03,270
as the other girls. What's the
bottom line here? Do any of the

2137
02:21:03,270 --> 02:21:08,100
girlfriends really love half and
the kinds of sort of rituals or

2138
02:21:08,100 --> 02:21:12,420
these sort of games or
requirements that are on all of

2139
02:21:12,420 --> 02:21:13,290
them in the bedroom?

2140
02:21:13,590 --> 02:21:15,930
You know, when I first moved in,
there were six other girls and

2141
02:21:15,930 --> 02:21:18,270
it just seemed like everybody
wanted to get all that kind of

2142
02:21:18,270 --> 02:21:22,530
thing over with very quickly and
didn't really seem into it. How

2143
02:21:22,530 --> 02:21:23,730
much about your past?

2144
02:21:23,760 --> 02:21:27,630
Are you going to let your
daughter know about or do you

2145
02:21:27,630 --> 02:21:29,250
want to read this book?
Eventually you had to be

2146
02:21:29,250 --> 02:21:31,530
thinking about that as you're
feeling some of these things.

2147
02:21:31,680 --> 02:21:33,390
But she's gonna see this and
know this. Yeah,

2148
02:21:33,390 --> 02:21:35,700
one day when she was old enough.
She'll definitely you know, be

2149
02:21:35,700 --> 02:21:38,940
able to read the book and I'm
very proud of the book. And you

2150
02:21:38,940 --> 02:21:42,390
know, even though there's some
uncomfortable things for me in

2151
02:21:42,390 --> 02:21:45,330
there, it's it's something I'm
proud of sharing my story and I

2152
02:21:45,330 --> 02:21:47,070
hope that other people can learn
from it.

2153
02:21:49,380 --> 02:21:54,480
Learn from it. So we see quite
low a lose. Yeah, interesting.

2154
02:21:54,990 --> 02:22:01,650
But it's amazing. Hugh Hefner
icon. No take.

2155
02:22:02,969 --> 02:22:08,879
No take now. 1617 me rescue me.
Us. Allegedly seven 817 18 year

2156
02:22:08,879 --> 02:22:12,179
old girls coming in and out of
the mansion. I can say it was

2157
02:22:12,179 --> 02:22:15,749
America's warehouse. For good or
bad. It is what it is. You know

2158
02:22:15,749 --> 02:22:19,049
to me. We're not when we have to
call it what it is. We have

2159
02:22:19,049 --> 02:22:21,509
these allegations coming out of
these rituals that she called

2160
02:22:21,509 --> 02:22:29,129
it. Oh, we love you. Isn't that
amazing? So now we're going to

2161
02:22:29,129 --> 02:22:33,719
go over to a Is there anything
you want to say on that? Oh, no,

2162
02:22:33,719 --> 02:22:34,409
no, I'm

2163
02:22:36,269 --> 02:22:38,759
Dude, you brought the quaint
ludes clip from Hafner. I mean

2164
02:22:38,759 --> 02:22:41,609
that was impressive. A good one.

2165
02:22:42,300 --> 02:22:46,920
So let's get deeper into Bill
Cosby and Hugh Hefner, this is

2166
02:22:47,190 --> 02:22:51,510
Mark Ebner, who is a Hollywood
Reporter and sleuth, so we got

2167
02:22:51,510 --> 02:22:53,670
to be serious. This is the lip
TV.

2168
02:22:53,819 --> 02:22:57,089
Firstly, I want to get a few
more points out because it's

2169
02:22:57,089 --> 02:22:59,489
really important that you know
we're all on the line in the

2170
02:22:59,489 --> 02:23:02,669
quaint loujen that sort of
thing. People have been asking

2171
02:23:02,669 --> 02:23:06,359
you know there's no proof he
raised you he raped anybody show

2172
02:23:06,359 --> 02:23:11,339
us the prescription pills. Show
us the you know the blood

2173
02:23:11,339 --> 02:23:14,609
evidence show us this and show
us that about believing these

2174
02:23:14,609 --> 02:23:19,679
women for starters. But beyond
that, if you want to trace the

2175
02:23:20,399 --> 02:23:24,239
if you want to follow the trail
of drugs, Bill Cosby, I think

2176
02:23:24,239 --> 02:23:29,189
you need look no further than
the Playboy Mansion, and Hugh

2177
02:23:29,189 --> 02:23:34,829
Hefner, who I think has been
quoted as saying, as calling

2178
02:23:34,949 --> 02:23:41,459
quaint ludes What was it five
openers I also would look even

2179
02:23:41,459 --> 02:23:46,919
closer into the mansion. And
look at his personal possession.

2180
02:23:47,219 --> 02:23:50,579
Mark sagen are is that guy dead
yet by the way?

2181
02:23:50,760 --> 02:23:52,410
I don't think so. But I'm not

2182
02:23:52,409 --> 02:23:58,199
sure probably should be. But
regardless, this guy, I you

2183
02:23:58,199 --> 02:24:01,589
know, put that together that he
not only outta his personal

2184
02:24:01,589 --> 02:24:07,019
physician on call of quite
possibly for date rape drugs

2185
02:24:07,019 --> 02:24:10,169
whenever he wanted him. And I'm
talking about Hafner and I'm

2186
02:24:10,169 --> 02:24:14,849
talking about Cosby and I'm
talking about any other you

2187
02:24:14,849 --> 02:24:19,349
know, of these anger runs at the
Playboy Mansion. You know, it's

2188
02:24:19,349 --> 02:24:22,679
starting to make sense that you
would probably look no further

2189
02:24:22,679 --> 02:24:26,189
than Mark sagen ORS prescription
pad.

2190
02:24:27,270 --> 02:24:34,710
Oh my about that. And then the
name Mark sagen our pops up a

2191
02:24:34,710 --> 02:24:39,030
national enquirer story which as
we know from men and black is is

2192
02:24:39,030 --> 02:24:43,620
real. And there it is exposed
Bill Cosby's cronies who enabled

2193
02:24:43,620 --> 02:24:49,560
his twisted crimes. Even his
former TV co star Jimmy JJ

2194
02:24:49,560 --> 02:24:52,860
Walker is now calling Bill
Cosby, the oj simpson of the

2195
02:24:52,860 --> 02:24:53,790
comedy world.

2196
02:24:55,380 --> 02:24:59,250
And that was the problem. Like
you had co stars on the show,

2197
02:24:59,250 --> 02:25:06,540
right? Everybody's just started
piling on probably rightfully so

2198
02:25:06,540 --> 02:25:08,910
like I said when there's too
much smoke it has to be some

2199
02:25:08,910 --> 02:25:12,960
fire there. And just as I
mentioned Martin Lawrence before

2200
02:25:13,530 --> 02:25:19,470
it's a very interesting person
that I'm accused Bill Cosby of

2201
02:25:19,500 --> 02:25:24,900
this crime that got no press a
lot. Vorhees Are you familiar

2202
02:25:24,900 --> 02:25:30,540
with Lark Vorhees? Lisa turtle
for saying about the bill?

2203
02:25:31,110 --> 02:25:32,730
No, no, I don't know anything.
She

2204
02:25:33,149 --> 02:25:37,289
she had a complete meltdown in
front of everybody. She was the

2205
02:25:37,289 --> 02:25:39,839
black girl alone say about the
bill, which was another one of

2206
02:25:39,839 --> 02:25:42,809
my childhood shows. And when I
would go back and look at her,

2207
02:25:43,079 --> 02:25:45,869
and what happened to her she
clearly suffers from some kind

2208
02:25:45,869 --> 02:25:49,349
of multiple personality kind of
thing going on. We could which

2209
02:25:49,349 --> 02:25:54,059
could easily be di D But um, she
had always thought that three

2210
02:25:54,059 --> 02:25:57,989
six is hands on and all
aluminum, Illuminati hand signs,

2211
02:25:58,019 --> 02:26:01,499
and let's say Bob, the bill
adds, Oh, wow. So it's like,

2212
02:26:01,529 --> 02:26:04,859
wow, like, but nobody gave her
the time of day to speak about

2213
02:26:04,859 --> 02:26:07,799
it. Because they want it to be
white women being attacked by

2214
02:26:07,799 --> 02:26:08,549
Bill Cosby

2215
02:26:08,580 --> 02:26:11,130
skit show Affective Disorder.

2216
02:26:11,370 --> 02:26:14,310
Yes, I had a whole set of clips
and to go down that rabbit hole,

2217
02:26:14,370 --> 02:26:17,550
maybe another time for another
day. But I was fascinated that

2218
02:26:17,550 --> 02:26:21,300
she didn't get any press. But
her meltdown was covered in the

2219
02:26:21,300 --> 02:26:24,780
media, but they never connected
her to Cosby. And I just found

2220
02:26:24,780 --> 02:26:29,550
that interesting. A glaring
glaring no Miss omission,

2221
02:26:29,610 --> 02:26:33,510
omission omission. Excuse me.
Yeah. So, um, you want to hear

2222
02:26:33,510 --> 02:26:37,680
more from this is good. It's
good. Just go

2223
02:26:38,610 --> 02:26:42,240
even deeper. And I've been
saying this for a long time. I

2224
02:26:42,240 --> 02:26:47,400
can't wait for a journalist more
savvy than I am to start looking

2225
02:26:47,400 --> 02:26:51,420
into the depth of the playmate
paid job. He died of an

2226
02:26:51,420 --> 02:26:58,320
accidental overdose of Yeah,
barbiturates, it's something

2227
02:26:59,160 --> 02:27:01,710
something doesn't smell right.
And it's coming out of the

2228
02:27:01,710 --> 02:27:03,000
Playboy Mansion.

2229
02:27:03,059 --> 02:27:06,509
Okay, but here's the thing.
First of all, there was unlike

2230
02:27:06,509 --> 02:27:09,449
some references to have done
what had happened there and Bill

2231
02:27:09,449 --> 02:27:13,649
Cosby and then Hefner somehow
definitely steered the publicity

2232
02:27:13,649 --> 02:27:17,549
away from there, away from the
mansion. But secondly, just

2233
02:27:17,549 --> 02:27:20,819
because people were taking
qualys in the 70s, at the

2234
02:27:20,819 --> 02:27:23,339
Playboy Mansion, is an avatar
certainly

2235
02:27:23,340 --> 02:27:30,360
was. I was taking Kwame ludes in
the 70s. So I have no doubt that

2236
02:27:30,420 --> 02:27:35,340
these quote unquote fire
openers, were probably at one

2237
02:27:35,340 --> 02:27:40,200
time Bill Cosby's, knockout drug
of choice.

2238
02:27:40,409 --> 02:27:44,429
But it's interesting theory. But
I mean, you know, the idea that

2239
02:27:44,489 --> 02:27:48,209
you automatically Can I mean, in
criminal law, you can't

2240
02:27:48,209 --> 02:27:51,119
associate the fact that he
purchased preludes with the fact

2241
02:27:51,119 --> 02:27:54,479
that these women were given them
in voluntarily. I mean, I think

2242
02:27:54,479 --> 02:27:57,839
that's the missing link from the
reports that we're seeing on

2243
02:27:57,839 --> 02:28:01,529
Cosby and and the idea that he
said in the deposition that he

2244
02:28:01,529 --> 02:28:04,349
used them, and he used them with
women to have sex isn't the same

2245
02:28:04,349 --> 02:28:06,989
as an admission that he gave
them to them without their

2246
02:28:06,989 --> 02:28:07,529
consent.

2247
02:28:08,940 --> 02:28:12,360
No, yeah, the page young thing.
I remember looking at this, that

2248
02:28:12,360 --> 02:28:15,960
would mean she overdosed and I
think she she shot herself in

2249
02:28:15,960 --> 02:28:20,730
the head and won an American
flag with a pentagram, you know,

2250
02:28:20,730 --> 02:28:23,850
all kinds of weird stuff. And
like Hugh Hefner is the devil.

2251
02:28:23,880 --> 02:28:25,800
That was that was her parting
shot.

2252
02:28:32,460 --> 02:28:38,760
Why, how's it been able to steer
the tissue away from him? I

2253
02:28:38,760 --> 02:28:39,810
don't look over here.

2254
02:28:40,260 --> 02:28:43,740
Oh, well, that's easy. Hugh
Hefner has the goods on a lot of

2255
02:28:43,740 --> 02:28:46,470
powerful people. But you want

2256
02:28:46,470 --> 02:28:48,720
to he might be the Epstein of
his time.

2257
02:28:48,719 --> 02:28:52,709
Yeah, exactly. You want to you
want to screw with half? No,

2258
02:28:52,709 --> 02:28:54,329
that's not I was not a good
idea.

2259
02:28:55,260 --> 02:28:57,630
Well, there's something deeper
there we have but we're gonna

2260
02:28:57,630 --> 02:29:03,570
get to it. Um, so we got Hafner.
We got quite loose, aka thought

2261
02:29:03,570 --> 02:29:06,900
openers being passed around like
candy. But my question is this.

2262
02:29:07,230 --> 02:29:09,360
Who the hell is still making
preludes?

2263
02:29:10,229 --> 02:29:13,799
I don't know if they are, are
they still being? He's getting

2264
02:29:13,799 --> 02:29:18,299
them prescribed to them. They're
probably under they're probably

2265
02:29:18,839 --> 02:29:20,129
out of patent. So

2266
02:29:20,639 --> 02:29:25,889
in a time where we can't get
hydroxychloroquine horseface

2267
02:29:28,319 --> 02:29:32,729
because we can get some daggone
vintage Wow, that was a 74

2268
02:29:32,729 --> 02:29:35,189
equate lose all that was a year.
Let me get some of those.

2269
02:29:37,229 --> 02:29:41,369
I have never, never had equate
lewd. So I really wouldn't know.

2270
02:29:41,700 --> 02:29:45,030
What I'm saying is who's making
them? They always want to stop

2271
02:29:45,030 --> 02:29:48,570
it bill. Okay, who wrote the
prescription notice on the bill

2272
02:29:48,570 --> 02:29:52,650
scavi side on the Michael
Jackson side. Well,

2273
02:29:52,649 --> 02:29:56,939
this is an interesting right is
an interesting article here.

2274
02:29:56,939 --> 02:30:00,629
I'll put in the show notes from
the BBC titled The ride In fall

2275
02:30:00,629 --> 02:30:05,429
of a ludes, which is actually a
trade name, it's a methaqualone

2276
02:30:05,429 --> 02:30:10,499
is the actual drug first
synthesizer in 1951. In India,

2277
02:30:11,099 --> 02:30:14,459
Germany and Japan were the first
big markets where the drug

2278
02:30:14,459 --> 02:30:17,549
racked up an extensive record of
addiction and abuse in the UK,

2279
02:30:17,549 --> 02:30:22,319
it was known as man Drax, a name
still used in South Africa. The

2280
02:30:22,319 --> 02:30:25,349
doctors were essentially giving
him out like candy says Justin

2281
02:30:25,349 --> 02:30:28,709
gas author of the book about the
drug, it was very easy to obtain

2282
02:30:28,709 --> 02:30:32,099
Quaaludes in the mid to late 70s
and early 80s.

2283
02:30:33,000 --> 02:30:36,390
And one a pop culture his most
famous quotes, and none

2284
02:30:36,390 --> 02:30:40,980
acquerello you love me in the
morning? What was Scarface

2285
02:30:40,980 --> 02:30:47,700
really saying, right? These
things that make you say, huh,

2286
02:30:49,410 --> 02:30:51,090
and now everybody Oh,

2287
02:30:51,090 --> 02:30:53,670
I know. So then it became rope
rueful?

2288
02:30:54,750 --> 02:31:00,390
Oh, yeah. roofie Yeah. Which is
another problematic drug who's

2289
02:31:00,390 --> 02:31:05,160
making me stuff I guess. with
Michael jack. Since we know the

2290
02:31:05,160 --> 02:31:10,650
doctor who gave it to me, nobody
except this guy. Abner even

2291
02:31:10,650 --> 02:31:13,290
mentions the name of the doctor.
Right. Okay, now we have the

2292
02:31:13,290 --> 02:31:17,370
doctor who still manufacturing
these thought openers. Is that

2293
02:31:17,370 --> 02:31:24,030
clear? I mean, in in, in the
scope of how we see medical and

2294
02:31:24,030 --> 02:31:28,500
pharmaceuticals now, how they
can deem something is bad.

2295
02:31:29,309 --> 02:31:32,099
Well know that it's only bad
when they can't make a lot of

2296
02:31:32,099 --> 02:31:35,129
money on it because they don't
have the patent. You see

2297
02:31:36,000 --> 02:31:38,610
what I'm saying? Like, Bill
Cosby wasn't the only one

2298
02:31:38,610 --> 02:31:42,000
getting like, whipping up a
special batch for or maybe they

2299
02:31:42,000 --> 02:31:45,180
weren't maybe at that much money
like, hey, I need you to fire

2300
02:31:45,180 --> 02:31:50,160
the machines. It's gonna be a
busy weekend. But just to show

2301
02:31:50,160 --> 02:31:57,360
you a Bill Cosby's connection
with a black celebrity and then

2302
02:31:57,720 --> 02:32:00,420
his connection with the Playboy
Mansion. We have john Salley

2303
02:32:00,420 --> 02:32:04,770
here. Bad Boy fame. Not bad, but
the movie but bad boy when he

2304
02:32:04,770 --> 02:32:08,040
wasn't a bad boy, the movie too,
but bad boys, Detroit Pistons,

2305
02:32:08,280 --> 02:32:11,790
and the Chicago Bulls famous
basketball player. He's gonna

2306
02:32:11,790 --> 02:32:15,150
give his take on Bill Cosby in
the Playboy Mansion.

2307
02:32:15,360 --> 02:32:17,940
So you asked me about Bill
Cosby. Let me just say this one

2308
02:32:17,940 --> 02:32:28,830
thing about Bill Cosby. I don't
know. I miss doc. And he taught

2309
02:32:28,830 --> 02:32:31,230
me a lot of things. He always
had wise things to say he's

2310
02:32:31,230 --> 02:32:36,300
like, Yeah, man, I really became
really cool with him in 1989.

2311
02:32:36,330 --> 02:32:38,790
We're both on the same
fraternity Omega Psi Phi

2312
02:32:38,790 --> 02:32:43,200
Incorporated. And he every year
I would see him I'd go to the

2313
02:32:43,230 --> 02:32:47,160
Playboy Jazz Festival. I said,
Daddy, give me jewels. And he

2314
02:32:47,160 --> 02:32:49,380
would talk about things talking
about thing. He also was

2315
02:32:49,380 --> 02:32:54,210
isolated and put it to a point.
And I also know the time of the

2316
02:32:54,210 --> 02:32:57,600
time, they were saying all that
was going on. And people want to

2317
02:32:57,600 --> 02:33:00,450
look at his wife. He got kicked
out of his house for like two

2318
02:33:00,450 --> 02:33:02,970
years when he was hosting the
tonight show for Johnny Carson.

2319
02:33:02,970 --> 02:33:05,670
Johnny was going through his
depression. And Bill Cosby was

2320
02:33:05,670 --> 02:33:08,220
hosting the tonight show and
live in at the Playboy Mansion.

2321
02:33:09,120 --> 02:33:13,350
I didn't know that. Yeah, so his
wife picked him up. Okay, like

2322
02:33:13,350 --> 02:33:16,950
this is the trip when they hit
you up with all of this that we

2323
02:33:16,950 --> 02:33:22,950
see now. It has to move fast.
And no one does research. And

2324
02:33:22,950 --> 02:33:30,090
they they crucify the and they
used the they use what? I'm not

2325
02:33:30,120 --> 02:33:33,060
knowing if he's right or wrong.
I'm just telling you, according

2326
02:33:33,060 --> 02:33:36,630
to what time magazine or
Newsweek magazine had all the

2327
02:33:36,630 --> 02:33:40,560
women's heads are sitting there.
People were yelling out. There

2328
02:33:40,560 --> 02:33:44,610
was a ton of things happening,
saying this dude was at this

2329
02:33:44,610 --> 02:33:47,550
point, and he was guilty. And it
was at it was going down and

2330
02:33:47,550 --> 02:33:48,120
down and down.

2331
02:33:49,319 --> 02:33:52,079
Wow. living at the Playboy
Mansion.

2332
02:33:52,530 --> 02:33:55,740
Oh, hell yeah. Well, Johnny
Carson was married 20 times.

2333
02:33:56,520 --> 02:33:59,820
I'm just saying that that
doesn't jive well with the image

2334
02:33:59,820 --> 02:34:04,470
of Bill Cosby. No. And this is
all news to me. I didn't know he

2335
02:34:04,470 --> 02:34:07,260
was that connected to Bill Cosby
until I started going to the

2336
02:34:07,260 --> 02:34:12,240
Playboy Mansion. And he happened
to start doing the show research

2337
02:34:12,240 --> 02:34:15,210
for the show. And I and this is
not this was not the original

2338
02:34:15,210 --> 02:34:15,780
path. But

2339
02:34:17,069 --> 02:34:19,979
did you watch any of the actual
YouTube videos of the Playboy

2340
02:34:19,979 --> 02:34:21,299
after dark with Cosby?

2341
02:34:21,750 --> 02:34:25,200
Well, I didn't watch that. But I
do have an ad for the Playboy

2342
02:34:25,200 --> 02:34:30,900
Jazz Fest in 2011. Let me set
this up right quick. So Bill, I

2343
02:34:30,900 --> 02:34:34,440
mean half a segment one of his
beauties. And Bill is looking

2344
02:34:34,440 --> 02:34:39,930
like a you know he's older now.
And he in He's like, well, this

2345
02:34:39,930 --> 02:34:45,060
is a clip so we have q a
beautiful woman and Bill and

2346
02:34:45,060 --> 02:34:48,060
listen to the transaction or the
conversation you have

2347
02:34:53,850 --> 02:35:00,630
this festival of the Playboy
Jazz Festival, June 11 Well,

2348
02:35:01,050 --> 02:35:06,660
your words, what do you know? It
will be? It'll be a grand party,

2349
02:35:07,200 --> 02:35:11,700
the party of the year. And
unforgettable and the long

2350
02:35:11,700 --> 02:35:16,830
history of jazz. Thank you. My
pleasure, Bill. All right. Thank

2351
02:35:16,830 --> 02:35:21,450
you. I wish you had a present
for me. Well, I do. You're gonna

2352
02:35:21,780 --> 02:35:27,000
be really surprised. Thank you.
My pleasure. Thank you. All

2353
02:35:27,000 --> 02:35:40,740
right. Buhari party. have told
me, I was with you. Get it?

2354
02:35:50,219 --> 02:35:51,509
What were we seeing there?

2355
02:35:51,630 --> 02:35:55,200
So basically, that was the
president. Yes. So the President

2356
02:35:55,200 --> 02:35:58,410
was he was asking for a girl.
Yeah, because I wish you brought

2357
02:35:58,410 --> 02:36:04,470
me a president for you. And then
granny comes in, old lady. But

2358
02:36:04,470 --> 02:36:08,400
I'm going to show site how they
talk about women. It's like, are

2359
02:36:08,400 --> 02:36:12,510
you gonna present for me? Oh,
yeah. That kind of thing. So

2360
02:36:12,690 --> 02:36:22,470
that was 2011. Wait, wait, wait.
This No. 2011 Jazz Fest? Real

2361
02:36:22,470 --> 02:36:27,420
YouTube? Yes. Are you sure? on
that blurb on the show? Says

2362
02:36:27,420 --> 02:36:32,070
Bill Cosby, Hugh Hefner and
playboy made. Crystal McCall.

2363
02:36:32,100 --> 02:36:37,590
Okay, McKay here. McKay he'll
talk about the 2011 playboy Jazz

2364
02:36:37,590 --> 02:36:40,620
Fest festival. Granny joins in
on the fun deplore.

2365
02:36:41,790 --> 02:36:46,080
The Bachelor guy just got
cancelled for for less. You

2366
02:36:46,080 --> 02:36:50,100
know, the news? I'm sorry, the
bachelor, the the Jeopardy host

2367
02:36:50,100 --> 02:36:52,980
that the executive producer who
is going to host start hosting

2368
02:36:52,980 --> 02:36:57,330
it. And they went back and found
some podcasts from from 2010.

2369
02:36:57,930 --> 02:37:02,100
Exactly. We have Hugh Hefner,
and Bill Cosby talking about

2370
02:37:02,100 --> 02:37:04,620
presence in 2011. This is

2371
02:37:06,479 --> 02:37:07,169
crazy.

2372
02:37:10,290 --> 02:37:16,650
convenient. But it's still on
YouTube. To this day. Wow. Very

2373
02:37:16,650 --> 02:37:22,320
interesting. So that's what
money will get you. Right? And

2374
02:37:22,320 --> 02:37:25,380
not even money but you're saying
money and power and leverage.

2375
02:37:26,190 --> 02:37:28,290
Speaking of money, we like new
money.

2376
02:37:28,350 --> 02:37:30,780
I like brand new money. I just I
don't want any money around me.

2377
02:37:30,780 --> 02:37:36,030
It's not I don't want to have a
new one than a brand then an old

2378
02:37:36,030 --> 02:37:39,930
20 that's kind of dumb. But
there's some bad new money that

2379
02:37:39,930 --> 02:37:46,440
excites you like $100 bills. I
like money. most beautiful thing

2380
02:37:46,440 --> 02:37:49,230
on earth is $100 bill. I have
seen a woman is good looking as

2381
02:37:49,230 --> 02:37:52,110
$100 bill. There's something
about buildings.

2382
02:37:54,479 --> 02:38:00,569
Right. So the new money in me I
would say we have we got

2383
02:38:00,569 --> 02:38:04,139
satoshis you can hook us up with
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every single minute, you're
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love your Fiat fund coupons. And
a lot of that is coming in

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through PayPal, and cash app and
and now we have a p o box as

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02:38:20,159 --> 02:38:22,889
well. So here's the rest of our
producer, we're going to read

2389
02:38:22,889 --> 02:38:26,249
out notes up until including
$30. And then we'll just match

2390
02:38:26,249 --> 02:38:29,069
up the name with the amounts for
the rest. And again, we

2391
02:38:29,069 --> 02:38:31,919
appreciate the value that
everybody brought and sticking

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02:38:31,919 --> 02:38:37,469
with us bad despite some of the
gaps in programming. So $40 from

2393
02:38:37,469 --> 02:38:41,399
Edwin Torres and he would like
some gbg we know what that means

2394
02:38:41,399 --> 02:38:45,479
give blacks guns so here we go.
We have

2395
02:38:49,170 --> 02:38:52,530
from mo that's all from Don't be
a menace to society while

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02:38:52,530 --> 02:38:56,250
drinking juice in the hood. One
of the one of the most classic

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movies I love it.

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I love it. It's good. Thanks
Edwin Ebrahim hobby. 3982

2399
02:39:02,879 --> 02:39:06,509
Thanks, Mona Adam for expanding
my brain every time I listen. As

2400
02:39:06,509 --> 02:39:10,319
a black body living in France
and coming from a former French

2401
02:39:10,319 --> 02:39:13,619
colony in Africa. Your podcast
has shed light on so many

2402
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similarities on our oppression
from the colonizers first

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donation more to come please and
the undead beat me we call the

2404
02:39:20,339 --> 02:39:25,379
dead beating. Keep up the good
work Abraham. Congratulation,

2405
02:39:25,799 --> 02:39:30,119
you're no longer dead be like
hearing that. That's

2406
02:39:30,119 --> 02:39:34,169
interesting. That's very
interesting. Keep coming Abraham

2407
02:39:34,169 --> 02:39:39,089
Sam of the bear grass 3633 and
says after listening to the last

2408
02:39:39,089 --> 02:39:42,929
three episodes and experiencing
in real time, the hidden or the

2409
02:39:42,929 --> 02:39:45,779
sudden forced muzzling of
children as young as two years

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02:39:45,779 --> 02:39:50,459
old for the next 270 days where
I live. One thing is painfully

2411
02:39:50,459 --> 02:39:53,849
clear. All of this abuse is
directed primarily at the youth

2412
02:39:53,849 --> 02:39:57,089
can I please have some mo karma
for all the kids out there and

2413
02:39:57,089 --> 02:39:59,789
anything else you think would
help? Well, Mo karma always

2414
02:39:59,789 --> 02:40:08,519
does. Just do one dodge Gaskill
comes into because I think he's

2415
02:40:08,519 --> 02:40:14,879
on a self installed subscription
per show and so we appreciate

2416
02:40:14,879 --> 02:40:19,889
the two donations of 3333 which
he says great podcast once again

2417
02:40:19,889 --> 02:40:23,249
and go podcasting and we thank
you for that very much. Benjamin

2418
02:40:23,249 --> 02:40:27,449
Bateman. 3333 keep doing the
work stay safe, he says Greg

2419
02:40:27,449 --> 02:40:31,319
Wheeler jr 3333 truly appreciate
your honest well researched and

2420
02:40:31,319 --> 02:40:35,009
invaluable conversations you and
Adam are essential voices in our

2421
02:40:35,009 --> 02:40:38,759
world and give human resources
like myself cope and the peace

2422
02:40:38,759 --> 02:40:41,459
of mind that I'm not alone in my
thoughts from the bottom of my

2423
02:40:41,459 --> 02:40:44,579
heart Thank you Love you guys
this my first donation I'm

2424
02:40:44,579 --> 02:40:47,909
grateful for the opportunity to
contribute as I really

2425
02:40:47,909 --> 02:40:50,939
appreciate the absence of
sponsors and agendas yes it's

2426
02:40:50,939 --> 02:40:54,239
value for value thank you again
for all you do for both of you

2427
02:40:54,239 --> 02:40:54,659
are doing

2428
02:40:55,199 --> 02:40:58,559
he didn't ask to be D debit it
so I didn't make me just

2429
02:40:58,559 --> 02:41:05,459
do it anyway. Might as well.
You're no longer a deadbeat

2430
02:41:05,489 --> 02:41:08,369
because he's not so he might as
well get it. And Michael

2431
02:41:08,369 --> 02:41:11,789
awesome. Also no longer a
deadbeat once a D dead meeting.

2432
02:41:12,239 --> 02:41:18,989
Congratulation. You're no longer
dead be with 3333 trusted

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influencer with 3333. Mon item.
Thank you with a couple of

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02:41:22,529 --> 02:41:25,529
emojis that translated weirdly
on my spreadsheet. I'm sure it

2435
02:41:25,529 --> 02:41:30,809
was waving hands. Tiffany
Hewitt, $30 dmo and Adam, thank

2436
02:41:30,809 --> 02:41:33,119
you for all the great
information you provide. This

2437
02:41:33,119 --> 02:41:36,179
show is one of a kind, no
jingles, no karma. But I'd like

2438
02:41:36,179 --> 02:41:39,989
to give a shout out to my smokin
hot boyfriend Greg who has had a

2439
02:41:39,989 --> 02:41:42,869
birthday on July 30 and
introduced me to this amazing

2440
02:41:42,869 --> 02:41:46,379
show. Sorry about the the
tardiness. Happy birthday, Greg.

2441
02:41:46,409 --> 02:41:49,739
You're the best thing that ever
happened to me. Edwin Torres

2442
02:41:49,739 --> 02:41:59,369
$30. He's rownum old donor and
he wants a gbg we have and he

2443
02:41:59,369 --> 02:42:03,719
came in twice again on a self
imposed repeating schedule where

2444
02:42:03,719 --> 02:42:07,679
he asked for the the gbg we just
got that for you. And he says

2445
02:42:07,679 --> 02:42:12,239
new money is a weed Indeed it
is. And then our final note that

2446
02:42:12,239 --> 02:42:15,869
we're going to read out from
Shannon Shelton, also $30 mo

2447
02:42:15,899 --> 02:42:18,179
first want to thank you for the
show. I've learned so much

2448
02:42:18,299 --> 02:42:20,819
because your perspective is
challenged what I thought I knew

2449
02:42:21,239 --> 02:42:26,189
as a rural white Christian, aka
public enemy number one. I've

2450
02:42:26,189 --> 02:42:30,089
always that's all a matter of
perspective. I've always taught

2451
02:42:30,089 --> 02:42:32,969
my kids that God sees everyone
equally skin color doesn't

2452
02:42:32,969 --> 02:42:36,719
matter. Different people have
different cultures and not and

2453
02:42:36,719 --> 02:42:39,839
not understanding someone's
culture is not racism, we just

2454
02:42:39,839 --> 02:42:42,929
need to listen and try to
understand. After my friend

2455
02:42:42,929 --> 02:42:46,679
while married to her husband,
black and we all got together, I

2456
02:42:46,679 --> 02:42:49,409
could hear him tell his mom to
stop acting black around the

2457
02:42:49,409 --> 02:42:52,589
white people. I was shocked. I
don't have many black friends

2458
02:42:52,589 --> 02:42:55,859
and she's fantastic made me sad
that he felt like they had to

2459
02:42:55,859 --> 02:42:59,039
act differently around us. I'm
thrilled to hear you and Adam

2460
02:42:59,039 --> 02:43:02,309
have real conversations about
real topics and that you don't

2461
02:43:02,309 --> 02:43:08,309
self censor. Second whap one and
two killed me. I know that girls

2462
02:43:08,309 --> 02:43:11,339
are taught their bodies can be
on display and guys should shut

2463
02:43:11,339 --> 02:43:13,439
up and other women should be
supportive in their dressing

2464
02:43:13,439 --> 02:43:17,189
like street workers or else.
I've often spoken out against

2465
02:43:17,189 --> 02:43:20,699
this insanity, but it feels like
it has little to no effect. Mean

2466
02:43:20,699 --> 02:43:23,489
Girls are real and until parents
really get a grip on teaching

2467
02:43:23,489 --> 02:43:26,609
their children real values
instead of allowing Instagram

2468
02:43:26,609 --> 02:43:30,089
tik tok and YouTube to program
them. It'll be an uphill battle.

2469
02:43:30,209 --> 02:43:34,109
It is a battle whoever I'm one
that I'm willing can continue to

2470
02:43:34,109 --> 02:43:37,799
fight until God takes me home.
Thank you again, Shannon. Thank

2471
02:43:37,799 --> 02:43:40,709
you. Great note. Fantastic.
Nope.

2472
02:43:40,770 --> 02:43:44,070
I think she's dead beating as
well. If I'm not mistaken,

2473
02:43:44,069 --> 02:43:49,409
she's getting it.
Congratulations. You're no

2474
02:43:49,409 --> 02:43:56,699
longer a deadbeat. And, excuse
me. Just for time sake. We're

2475
02:43:56,699 --> 02:44:01,259
going to start reading the notes
under the 30 level. But we will

2476
02:44:01,259 --> 02:44:07,139
of course thank everybody at the
20s we see mo Fanta Maureen we

2477
02:44:07,139 --> 02:44:14,069
see a rienne phirni Paul e
lavado. Robert De Dunbar Susan

2478
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till it and shazier Shay she was
here. And then we and we have

2479
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1892 from G McDonald and then at
$10 there we thank Christopher

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02:44:25,529 --> 02:44:30,689
Lata Terence Trent chef Elvis
Rosenberg, Michael Hannah,

2481
02:44:30,839 --> 02:44:37,589
Andrea Dame digital frequency
records. Charles A Vonda Zonda,

2482
02:44:37,919 --> 02:44:42,089
Andrea, again with $10 Thank
you, Andrea for your weeklies or

2483
02:44:42,119 --> 02:44:47,849
Shirley's then David Aquaman. At
$9 Terry Keller with 822 Timothy

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02:44:47,849 --> 02:44:52,169
vit Tophane with 811. And
finally, we wind up with Vinson

2485
02:44:52,169 --> 02:44:55,169
Ferro with 555. And I think

2486
02:44:55,170 --> 02:44:58,980
I think you may have missed two
people. Okay, please. Yeah, I

2487
02:44:58,980 --> 02:45:02,220
want to make sure because I
Yeah, go for it. Everybody value

2488
02:45:02,220 --> 02:45:08,880
value matters and that grant
convy kind of a 25 and Clinton

2489
02:45:08,970 --> 02:45:10,890
at 23 Oh, I'm

2490
02:45:10,890 --> 02:45:13,500
sorry about that. Yeah, you're
right. I did miss. Yes, that was

2491
02:45:13,500 --> 02:45:14,250
a scroll problem.

2492
02:45:14,280 --> 02:45:16,860
Okay, I know you're you're
wanting this to slip so you can

2493
02:45:16,860 --> 02:45:21,990
make it to the next show. Got
you speaking of gotcha, it's

2494
02:45:21,990 --> 02:45:23,910
time to start calling out the
deadbeats.

2495
02:45:25,170 --> 02:45:28,020
Yeah, exactly. We do need to do
some of that.

2496
02:45:28,050 --> 02:45:31,710
Yeah, we've been nice as far as
you know that you being your

2497
02:45:31,710 --> 02:45:35,040
ears, but deadbeats have to be
caught out and we don't call you

2498
02:45:39,000 --> 02:45:43,440
and I even got a special jingle
for you to be called out. So if

2499
02:45:43,440 --> 02:45:47,160
you know people that are dead
beating make them feel good

2500
02:45:47,160 --> 02:45:48,450
about themselves by calling them
out.

2501
02:45:49,830 --> 02:45:52,950
And we thank all these producers
and again our executive and

2502
02:45:52,950 --> 02:45:56,550
associate executive producer for
Episode 65 of mo facts with Adam

2503
02:45:56,550 --> 02:46:00,090
Curry. Thank you again, keep
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direct to our donation page at
mo funmi.com. Thank you all very

2508
02:46:16,740 --> 02:46:17,250
much.

2509
02:46:19,139 --> 02:46:23,009
So now we've made the connection
with Bill Cosby in the Playboy

2510
02:46:23,009 --> 02:46:27,119
Mansion and Hugh Hefner. We got
to look and see how America

2511
02:46:27,149 --> 02:46:32,039
remembered the complicated
legacy of Hugh Hefner

2512
02:46:32,249 --> 02:46:35,279
remembering the very influential
life of Hugh Hefner.

2513
02:46:35,550 --> 02:46:40,020
He made his network television
debut in 1956, on CBS speaking

2514
02:46:40,020 --> 02:46:44,040
to Mike Wallace, who defended
the image of Playboy magazine.

2515
02:46:45,330 --> 02:46:49,980
Sex always will be an important
part of the book. Because sex is

2516
02:46:50,550 --> 02:46:52,290
probably the single thing that

2517
02:46:54,000 --> 02:46:56,190
men are most interested in all
of this I think that you will

2518
02:46:56,190 --> 02:46:59,580
agree it's a sniggering kind of
sex. It's a less serious kind of

2519
02:46:59,580 --> 02:47:02,730
sex. It certainly isn't a
healthy approach to sexy women

2520
02:47:02,730 --> 02:47:05,370
just that it is. I would suggest
that I would say rather

2521
02:47:05,370 --> 02:47:06,480
strongly, we considered a pretty

2522
02:47:08,130 --> 02:47:12,480
well, by the 1970s, playboy had
more than 7 million readers.

2523
02:47:12,480 --> 02:47:15,300
Wow. And Hefner was certainly a
household name. He built an

2524
02:47:15,330 --> 02:47:18,750
empire on the simple idea that
sex is important to people for

2525
02:47:18,750 --> 02:47:22,020
this from Los Angeles. Matt, is
Matt bellinis, editorial

2526
02:47:22,020 --> 02:47:24,000
director of The Hollywood
Reporter. Good morning to you,

2527
02:47:24,000 --> 02:47:27,090
Matt. Good morning. Well, he
certainly changed the magazine

2528
02:47:27,090 --> 02:47:30,120
culture, he changed the American
sex culture, if you will. But

2529
02:47:30,120 --> 02:47:32,460
that came with some controversy.
Back in the day, there were a

2530
02:47:32,460 --> 02:47:35,910
lot of protests about how women
were portrayed in the magazine.

2531
02:47:36,120 --> 02:47:39,150
What are the critics say today
about the legacy that he's left?

2532
02:47:39,630 --> 02:47:43,320
I think it's a very complicated
legacy. Because on the one hand,

2533
02:47:43,410 --> 02:47:47,250
playboy was criticized It was
the first major mainstream

2534
02:47:47,250 --> 02:47:51,780
magazine to feature nude women.
And it was in the context of

2535
02:47:51,990 --> 02:47:55,410
politics and lifestyle and all
these other things, but it was

2536
02:47:55,410 --> 02:47:58,560
essentially a naked women
magazine. And, you know, people

2537
02:47:58,560 --> 02:48:02,070
like Gloria Steinem at the time,
very opposed, said playboy could

2538
02:48:02,070 --> 02:48:08,940
fill a book with what it doesn't
know about women. Gloria Steinem

2539
02:48:08,940 --> 02:48:09,150
one

2540
02:48:09,150 --> 02:48:13,680
of our friends, from many, many,
many episodes of mo facts,

2541
02:48:13,800 --> 02:48:19,530
yes. Gloria Steinem was backed
by the CIA to be placed into 17

2542
02:48:19,530 --> 02:48:20,220
magazines, he

2543
02:48:20,220 --> 02:48:22,980
reported to the CIA. I mean, she
was

2544
02:48:22,979 --> 02:48:29,489
CIA. Right? So if that case,
who's to say that Hugh Hefner

2545
02:48:29,489 --> 02:48:35,219
wasn't CIA, because he didn't
make his debut as as the

2546
02:48:35,219 --> 02:48:40,469
commentator said on CBS. What do
you call CBS Central

2547
02:48:40,470 --> 02:48:42,330
Intelligence broadcasting
system?

2548
02:48:42,690 --> 02:48:48,570
And guess who Hugh Hefner's
cousin is? George Bush? You're

2549
02:48:48,570 --> 02:48:53,100
kidding me? I kid you not
there's a article. You can put

2550
02:48:53,100 --> 02:48:54,120
it in the show notes.

2551
02:48:55,979 --> 02:49:02,549
Yes, Hafner. Odd cousin. Yes. So
now we have these two people

2552
02:49:02,549 --> 02:49:06,839
popping up with magazines around
about the same time, splits

2553
02:49:06,839 --> 02:49:12,479
floor and sexuality, women's
sexuality. And I just find it

2554
02:49:12,479 --> 02:49:17,879
fascinating that um, we have
Gloria Steinem, commenting on

2555
02:49:18,929 --> 02:49:22,469
Hugh Hefner, and who have nerves
remembered as a complicated

2556
02:49:22,469 --> 02:49:28,649
legacy. Now he's been known to
have spread around his own share

2557
02:49:28,649 --> 02:49:35,069
of thigh openers. No big deal.
You understand? Now you

2558
02:49:35,069 --> 02:49:36,989
understand where you are?

2559
02:49:37,050 --> 02:49:41,400
Right? Right. But again, but
again, if he was indeed a kind

2560
02:49:41,400 --> 02:49:44,880
of Epstein, and he had the goods
on everybody, he had big

2561
02:49:44,880 --> 02:49:49,860
protection. So and you're really
convincing me that Hefner may

2562
02:49:49,860 --> 02:49:53,460
have had that kind of role. So
yes, yes, I agree. I agree what

2563
02:49:53,460 --> 02:49:55,890
you're saying. Yes, but I'm

2564
02:49:55,889 --> 02:49:58,499
just saying that on the surface
level, yeah. On the surface

2565
02:49:58,499 --> 02:50:03,329
level. Yeah. You hear the news.
stories and bills, block mount,

2566
02:50:03,359 --> 02:50:08,339
you know, saying doing a three
to 10 the river and a smoking

2567
02:50:08,339 --> 02:50:11,909
jacket. You say flanked by three
beautiful blondes. That's right.

2568
02:50:11,909 --> 02:50:13,589
How's that workout? Well, it

2569
02:50:13,590 --> 02:50:15,780
was pretty good. Pretty good for
the white guy.

2570
02:50:16,350 --> 02:50:22,200
Hey, sounds like it. Let's
continue on with Hugh Hefner's

2571
02:50:22,230 --> 02:50:23,970
complicated legacy. But on

2572
02:50:23,969 --> 02:50:27,419
the other hand, it was filled
with progressive politics. And

2573
02:50:27,419 --> 02:50:30,179
it was, you know, one of the few
magazines that they interviewed

2574
02:50:30,179 --> 02:50:33,569
MLK, and they interviewed
Muhammad Ali. And they did a lot

2575
02:50:33,569 --> 02:50:36,929
of articles that were very
progressive in the politics.

2576
02:50:36,929 --> 02:50:39,629
They were pro choice at a time
when not many outlets were

2577
02:50:39,629 --> 02:50:43,709
openly so and they were very pro
First Amendment and these causes

2578
02:50:43,709 --> 02:50:47,549
that the culture sort of caught
up to but playboy was doing it

2579
02:50:47,549 --> 02:50:51,479
at a time in the in the
50s 60s 70s when it wasn't that

2580
02:50:51,839 --> 02:50:55,949
accepted from big national
magazines like that. When I was

2581
02:50:55,949 --> 02:50:58,019
growing up, there were two
magazines you collected. One was

2582
02:50:58,019 --> 02:51:01,439
playboy and the other was the
National Geographic. Two very

2583
02:51:01,439 --> 02:51:05,279
different very matte and what
happens going forward we

2584
02:51:05,280 --> 02:51:07,650
know that his son Cooper is
going to be taking over the

2585
02:51:07,650 --> 02:51:11,940
magazine the circulation has
dropped significantly, as have

2586
02:51:11,940 --> 02:51:15,900
many industry magazines as well.
How does the magazine and the

2587
02:51:15,900 --> 02:51:17,790
brand go forward in the digital
age?

2588
02:51:18,239 --> 02:51:22,529
It's a tough road. Recently,
Cooper Hafner, Houston has

2589
02:51:22,529 --> 02:51:26,969
assumed control of the brand.
But the magazine, they have gone

2590
02:51:26,969 --> 02:51:29,819
through a rocky tenure with
multiple editors, they got rid

2591
02:51:29,819 --> 02:51:33,299
of new pictures, then they
brought them back. They have a

2592
02:51:33,299 --> 02:51:36,599
very lucrative licensing
business with the Playboy brand

2593
02:51:36,599 --> 02:51:40,259
is very meaningful around the
world. But in the US, they

2594
02:51:40,259 --> 02:51:43,619
really have struggled and the
culture has sort of gone beyond

2595
02:51:43,619 --> 02:51:47,399
playboy, they have to figure out
a way to make the Playboy brand

2596
02:51:47,459 --> 02:51:50,759
relevant in today's media and
cultural environment.

2597
02:51:51,239 --> 02:51:54,569
Of course everyone will remember
that iconic Playboy bunny down

2598
02:51:54,569 --> 02:52:00,299
did right, Matt, thank you so
much. Thank you. Okay, yes, two

2599
02:52:00,299 --> 02:52:05,519
things one. I think that's
Charlie Rose who was Oh, Charlie

2600
02:52:05,519 --> 02:52:09,419
loves history. Right? So you
know, Charlie, Charlie, he got

2601
02:52:09,419 --> 02:52:13,499
his own take down at the only
you know, and with the with

2602
02:52:13,499 --> 02:52:17,909
white man, it's always like he's
he's a sad pathetic old man

2603
02:52:17,939 --> 02:52:22,769
holding his used his robe open
in front of young girls. His own

2604
02:52:22,769 --> 02:52:25,049
separate type of takedown. But
what I thought interesting was

2605
02:52:25,049 --> 02:52:27,959
he said something there that I'd
like to know your perspective

2606
02:52:27,959 --> 02:52:31,259
on. He said, when I was a kid,
we saved two kinds of magazines,

2607
02:52:31,409 --> 02:52:34,709
Playboy magazine, and National
Geographic to which all the

2608
02:52:34,739 --> 02:52:37,949
female hosts on the show go
haha, it's a very different

2609
02:52:37,949 --> 02:52:41,519
kind. But I know what I know
what Charlie meant. And I'm

2610
02:52:41,519 --> 02:52:46,919
curious if this was for you. We
like National Geographic for a

2611
02:52:46,919 --> 02:52:51,089
short time I'm talking Yeah,
we're like 12 love. Yeah.

2612
02:52:51,089 --> 02:52:56,309
Because Because you see boobies.
They were boobs in that thing,

2613
02:52:56,309 --> 02:53:00,209
baby. That's why, and they were
all black boobs to which and but

2614
02:53:00,329 --> 02:53:03,689
that never mattered to brown
boobs. Right? There were no

2615
02:53:03,689 --> 02:53:07,259
white boobs in the magazine. But
we were just as interested in

2616
02:53:07,259 --> 02:53:10,109
the boobs no matter what the
color they were just just saying

2617
02:53:10,289 --> 02:53:18,719
and not discussed. The fact of
American male pubescens

2618
02:53:19,350 --> 02:53:21,810
you gave me insight on that,
because I was wondering who

2619
02:53:21,810 --> 02:53:24,390
claimed National Geographic I
thought he was gonna say like

2620
02:53:24,390 --> 02:53:27,450
Mad Magazine or something like
that. But when you say the movie

2621
02:53:27,450 --> 02:53:31,440
part, I do agree. That was the
first thing you try to find when

2622
02:53:31,440 --> 02:53:33,810
you went to the doctor's office.
Exactly.

2623
02:53:34,259 --> 02:53:39,089
Exactly. But no, but notice that
that was exciting for the white

2624
02:53:39,089 --> 02:53:43,109
boys, as well as the black and
brown boys, no matter and even

2625
02:53:43,109 --> 02:53:45,209
though all the all the boobs
were of color.

2626
02:53:45,930 --> 02:53:48,540
And let's take it out black and
white for a minute. Let's just

2627
02:53:48,540 --> 02:53:54,180
go to half an hour versus a
Larry Flynt. I believe his name

2628
02:53:54,180 --> 02:53:58,230
is muscular. Yep. I had a very
hard time with the government.

2629
02:53:58,740 --> 02:54:03,840
Oh, I do a similar thing much
worse than Hugh Hefner. So why,

2630
02:54:03,870 --> 02:54:06,720
why? I mean, it's kind of like
the Polanski thing it's like why

2631
02:54:06,750 --> 02:54:10,110
why certain people have a hard
time and then other people have

2632
02:54:11,220 --> 02:54:14,220
get it get a pass. But this is
not good. I didn't want to bring

2633
02:54:14,220 --> 02:54:18,900
that up as this as a passing
comment. But now we got to go

2634
02:54:18,900 --> 02:54:21,720
look at the rabbit. So we're
going over to the art of

2635
02:54:21,720 --> 02:54:23,580
awakening the Renaissance where
we get

2636
02:54:26,040 --> 02:54:29,040
the recall this is this is the
real power of Playboy. Is this

2637
02:54:29,040 --> 02:54:31,830
branding? I'm sure I'm sure.
Okay,

2638
02:54:32,219 --> 02:54:34,979
the rabbit Totem spirit. No,

2639
02:54:34,979 --> 02:54:38,429
this is Christy with spirit
animal Oracle. And today I'd

2640
02:54:38,429 --> 02:54:41,309
like to talk a little bit about
the spirit meeting of rabbit.

2641
02:54:41,819 --> 02:54:44,909
Rabbits even though it's a
pretty small we think it's a

2642
02:54:44,909 --> 02:54:48,809
weak animal. It is actually a
computer an incredibly powerful

2643
02:54:48,809 --> 02:54:53,009
spirit animal, and it has an
abundance of meanings. And

2644
02:54:53,729 --> 02:54:57,659
speaking of abundance, abundance
is actually one of rabbits

2645
02:54:57,689 --> 02:55:01,679
biggest magic powers. I guess
you can Say, you know if you've

2646
02:55:01,679 --> 02:55:04,649
ever been out in the country in
the springtime, you've seen the

2647
02:55:04,649 --> 02:55:07,199
baby rabbits kind of popping
like popcorn right out of the

2648
02:55:07,199 --> 02:55:11,639
hedges. They just like you they
know how to reproduce. And

2649
02:55:11,639 --> 02:55:14,339
they're legendary for it. And
this is a really actually, there

2650
02:55:14,339 --> 02:55:19,649
was a scientific study done by
somebody at Miami University.

2651
02:55:19,889 --> 02:55:22,589
And they estimated they, they
just kind of did the math on

2652
02:55:22,619 --> 02:55:27,149
rabbits. And their estimate was
that at average rates of

2653
02:55:27,149 --> 02:55:30,869
reproduction, if there was no
disease, or predation or

2654
02:55:30,869 --> 02:55:34,259
anything, a single mother
rabbit, and her female babies

2655
02:55:35,069 --> 02:55:40,049
could produce over 187 billion
offspring in seven years.

2656
02:55:40,649 --> 02:55:45,299
Rabbits, well, there's a reason
they multiply so fast because

2657
02:55:45,329 --> 02:55:49,859
their prey a lot of things
depend on rabbit. And because

2658
02:55:49,859 --> 02:55:53,099
they are prey, that really
brings up some of the other

2659
02:55:53,099 --> 02:55:58,619
spiritual associations that
rabbit has. sensitivity is one,

2660
02:55:59,729 --> 02:56:02,639
then we're going to look at fear
and fear is a huge one for

2661
02:56:02,639 --> 02:56:07,169
rabbit. So if you're a rabbit
person, you're probably gonna be

2662
02:56:07,559 --> 02:56:10,559
challenged by fear. You're gonna
have a lot of fear stuff coming

2663
02:56:10,559 --> 02:56:12,269
up to fears to overcome and so
forth.

2664
02:56:13,440 --> 02:56:17,280
Oh, wow. I never even thought
about the rabbits place in the

2665
02:56:17,280 --> 02:56:21,000
world. But he's basically lunch.
Food. Yes, that's that's his

2666
02:56:21,000 --> 02:56:25,740
entire job. look pretty cute. Be
innocent and be food. Sounds

2667
02:56:25,740 --> 02:56:26,280
like a Playboy

2668
02:56:26,280 --> 02:56:31,470
Bunny and to me, um, but if you
look at it and say, okay,

2669
02:56:31,530 --> 02:56:39,720
rabbit, white rabbit goes to
Alice in Wonderland. Going down,

2670
02:56:39,750 --> 02:56:45,390
you know, going down in the
rabbit hole. So are you familiar

2671
02:56:45,390 --> 02:56:46,860
with gray slick?

2672
02:56:47,190 --> 02:56:51,900
I know gray slick a. I've met
her I've hung out with her and

2673
02:56:51,900 --> 02:56:53,100
her daughter, China.

2674
02:56:53,789 --> 02:56:57,029
Okay, so are you aware of their
song? The White Rabbit?

2675
02:56:57,780 --> 02:56:59,670
Yes, of course. With

2676
02:57:01,950 --> 02:57:04,590
the gray slick break now of
white rabbit.

2677
02:57:07,080 --> 02:57:09,180
We were talking about something
that was going on at the time.

2678
02:57:09,180 --> 02:57:14,010
We liked it. We had a good time.
But we were not saying why don't

2679
02:57:14,010 --> 02:57:17,370
you guys all go out and take
drugs. The only song that talks

2680
02:57:17,370 --> 02:57:20,550
about drugs is first Jefferson
Starship or airplane was mine,

2681
02:57:20,550 --> 02:57:25,230
it was called White Rabbit. And
all it was doing was letting my

2682
02:57:25,230 --> 02:57:28,350
parents and everybody's parents
know that they have been reading

2683
02:57:28,350 --> 02:57:33,540
us books. Written by British
author authors, the British had

2684
02:57:34,110 --> 02:57:38,940
control over the Far East,
Middle East. And they had found

2685
02:57:38,940 --> 02:57:43,980
new drugs, which the writers
took and then wrote about Alice

2686
02:57:43,980 --> 02:57:46,890
in Wonderland sitting on a
psychedelic mushroom, there is a

2687
02:57:47,760 --> 02:57:51,150
worm that is going to turn into
a butterfly who hands her a

2688
02:57:51,150 --> 02:57:55,350
piece of this mushroom. And she
gets literally Hi, she grows.

2689
02:57:55,350 --> 02:57:59,700
And so the parents were down on
us for taking drugs. So I was

2690
02:57:59,700 --> 02:58:01,500
just saying, Look, you've been
reading and strength books for

2691
02:58:01,740 --> 02:58:06,390
Peter Pan, sprinkled some white
dust all over everybody. So all

2692
02:58:06,390 --> 02:58:11,160
of these, the British writers
mainly come to America yet or we

2693
02:58:11,280 --> 02:58:15,990
hear something. We're talking
about how your life will be

2694
02:58:15,990 --> 02:58:17,640
better if you take a chemical.

2695
02:58:20,309 --> 02:58:25,469
Like quite loose. Yeah. So in
the White Rabbit lyrics, there

2696
02:58:25,859 --> 02:58:28,529
was really a couple of lyrics to
use. And if you go chasing

2697
02:58:28,529 --> 02:58:32,969
rabbits, or you know you're
going to fall, that's one lyric

2698
02:58:32,969 --> 02:58:36,689
of it. And then she goes down
and says when logic and

2699
02:58:36,689 --> 02:58:41,519
proportion have fallen dead, and
the white knight is take talking

2700
02:58:41,519 --> 02:58:47,279
backwards in the Red Queen
offered her head Red Queen, then

2701
02:58:47,279 --> 02:58:52,679
that may be a stretch but what
it says is I believe playboy and

2702
02:58:52,679 --> 02:58:55,709
all these things were set up to
get rid of logic proportioning

2703
02:58:55,769 --> 02:59:00,449
math is racist. Once you get rid
of all of these things and get

2704
02:59:00,449 --> 02:59:04,439
people in a emotional state like
they're doing now. Like she was

2705
02:59:04,439 --> 02:59:08,219
saying, use drugs, get kids
hooked on drugs. We have a drug

2706
02:59:08,219 --> 02:59:11,489
epidemic going on right now, on
that nobody's talking about with

2707
02:59:11,489 --> 02:59:15,089
fentanyl. I mean, maybe even
rivals cracked and you know, the

2708
02:59:15,119 --> 02:59:19,409
heroin under 70 of the 70s I
think these kinds of things

2709
02:59:19,409 --> 02:59:24,839
Gloria Steinem 17 magazine
feminism, they were what I think

2710
02:59:24,839 --> 02:59:31,439
people underestimate magazines,
first of all, magazines, and you

2711
02:59:31,439 --> 02:59:35,129
could speak more to this. But I
know I was at the very end of

2712
02:59:35,129 --> 02:59:39,419
magazines, bye bye for the life
of magazines. That is something

2713
02:59:39,419 --> 02:59:42,629
that you look forward to every
month to come out, you know, so

2714
02:59:42,629 --> 02:59:46,739
you can read it in, keep up. It
was like passing in a book.

2715
02:59:47,159 --> 02:59:50,969
Well, it was the same as The
Cosby Show before streaming and,

2716
02:59:51,329 --> 02:59:55,949
you know, and, and the nonlinear
programming. So you would have

2717
02:59:55,949 --> 02:59:59,969
to watch on Thursday. Everybody
knew where you were, everybody

2718
02:59:59,999 --> 03:00:03,479
knew when the new when the new
National Geographic was coming

2719
03:00:03,539 --> 03:00:07,589
out. Everybody knew when the
Playboy would hit the stands of

2720
03:00:07,590 --> 03:00:11,010
course the share consciousness
right? Yes it was oh yeah, yeah

2721
03:00:11,040 --> 03:00:15,270
so it's going back to the totem
spirit meaning of the rabbit she

2722
03:00:15,270 --> 03:00:18,750
said one rabbit in their
offspring could create a billion

2723
03:00:18,780 --> 03:00:23,640
rabbits right? So one rabbit
Marilyn Monroe can create

2724
03:00:23,790 --> 03:00:29,430
billions of male or more Monroe
wannabes. One mega stallion

2725
03:00:29,430 --> 03:00:33,180
could create millions of want to
be mega stallions. They

2726
03:00:33,180 --> 03:00:36,240
understand they said, Let's use
women to push these political

2727
03:00:36,270 --> 03:00:40,020
ideologies and an inverse out of
that we'll have a Gloria Steinem

2728
03:00:40,020 --> 03:00:46,710
pushing another toxic form of
feminine feminism or femininity.

2729
03:00:46,740 --> 03:00:50,160
Let me say that better word and
they got both sides covered.

2730
03:00:51,120 --> 03:00:55,800
You know who runs play playboy
now? No, you don't. I don't. Oh,

2731
03:00:55,830 --> 03:01:01,590
Christie and Hefner to have
daughter. Oh, yeah, it's and

2732
03:01:01,590 --> 03:01:08,010
she's woke. And I thought she
was I thought she was gay. I

2733
03:01:08,010 --> 03:01:11,940
guess I'm wrong about that.
Since she was she's divorced.

2734
03:01:13,140 --> 03:01:17,040
Yeah, I know. She'd made a lot
of changes that people didn't

2735
03:01:17,040 --> 03:01:17,520
like.

2736
03:01:18,870 --> 03:01:22,860
Just saying the one place that
God could go to be gods. I mean,

2737
03:01:22,860 --> 03:01:26,520
that would the Playboy Mansion
was still that, um, I don't

2738
03:01:26,520 --> 03:01:30,360
think it has the Hey, like now,
because like you said, with

2739
03:01:30,360 --> 03:01:32,910
social media, there's really no
need for a Playboy Mansion.

2740
03:01:33,150 --> 03:01:35,430
Instagram is the Playboy
Mansion. Now, I mean, you could

2741
03:01:35,430 --> 03:01:36,090
prepare.

2742
03:01:36,149 --> 03:01:39,959
Oh, yeah. No, it's totally
right. It's totally over

2743
03:01:39,989 --> 03:01:40,379
totally.

2744
03:01:40,379 --> 03:01:46,679
But it had his he had his
purpose of bringing in bringing

2745
03:01:46,679 --> 03:01:51,119
in a new thought about
sexuality. And a case in point

2746
03:01:51,119 --> 03:01:55,499
of that is Hugh Hefner's
relationship with Alfred Kinsey,

2747
03:01:55,799 --> 03:02:01,049
one of the virgins in college
that read Kinsey, and believed

2748
03:02:01,049 --> 03:02:11,489
him was a guy named Hugh Hefner.
He was, yeah. Well, he's he's

2749
03:02:11,489 --> 03:02:15,149
Kinsey. And he says, Hey,
everybody's been lying to me.

2750
03:02:15,599 --> 03:02:18,989
They've all been diddling around
doing all this stuff. And I have

2751
03:02:18,989 --> 03:02:23,219
been standing here being a nice
guy, forget it. I will be and

2752
03:02:23,219 --> 03:02:27,179
I'm quoting him, Kinsey's
pamphleteer. I will be Kinsey's

2753
03:02:27,179 --> 03:02:31,979
pamphlets. So from there, he
began to advocate for changes in

2754
03:02:31,979 --> 03:02:37,139
law, and he created a magazine
called playboy playboy, which

2755
03:02:37,139 --> 03:02:44,489
then he said, would reflect what
Kinsey had found about human

2756
03:02:44,489 --> 03:02:49,109
sexuality is fraudulent his
fraud. data in America was

2757
03:02:49,109 --> 03:02:56,099
educated by a pedophile, whose
work was labeled as science just

2758
03:02:56,099 --> 03:03:01,499
as Darwin was the father of
legitimizing evolution. Kinsey

2759
03:03:01,589 --> 03:03:05,129
was the father of legitimizing
the sexual revolution and

2760
03:03:05,159 --> 03:03:09,629
all this based upon that today.
And sure enough, Hefner was true

2761
03:03:09,629 --> 03:03:13,349
to his word. Not only did he
popularized pornography on the

2762
03:03:13,379 --> 03:03:16,319
global scale, he also helped to
legalize it.

2763
03:03:17,430 --> 03:03:19,800
Yeah, the Kinsey report, of
course, yes.

2764
03:03:20,010 --> 03:03:24,870
So this is Judy right around
Reisman. And she's been on

2765
03:03:24,900 --> 03:03:30,300
Kinsey's tail for a lot a very
long time now, she's cropped up

2766
03:03:30,330 --> 03:03:35,520
due to the issue with
pornography and porn addiction.

2767
03:03:35,790 --> 03:03:38,850
And that's what that was from
King's work studio documentary

2768
03:03:38,850 --> 03:03:42,030
that pull that clip from, but as
I was waiting to go start going

2769
03:03:42,030 --> 03:03:46,470
back and looking at her, she's
been doing this since 1990. And

2770
03:03:46,470 --> 03:03:49,710
even before on Kinsey, so I
mean, before we get into Kinsey

2771
03:03:49,710 --> 03:03:54,030
in her take on him, anything you
want to say about him or about

2772
03:03:54,030 --> 03:03:55,230
Kinsey Oh, yeah, well,

2773
03:03:55,260 --> 03:03:58,830
his report was, was
groundbreaking when the first

2774
03:03:58,830 --> 03:04:03,090
Kinsey report came out about
sexuality. And there's even a TV

2775
03:04:03,090 --> 03:04:09,540
series Masters of Sex. I think
that that is partially if not

2776
03:04:09,540 --> 03:04:13,530
all about Kinsey. But what was
controversial? One of the many

2777
03:04:13,530 --> 03:04:17,190
controversial things was the
Kinsey scale. And this was, I

2778
03:04:17,190 --> 03:04:23,160
think it was look here 00 to
six, where zero was you were

2779
03:04:23,160 --> 03:04:27,720
completely straight and six,
you're, you're homosexual. Like,

2780
03:04:27,990 --> 03:04:32,880
you can't really imagine having
that scale today in today's woke

2781
03:04:32,880 --> 03:04:34,290
world, but

2782
03:04:35,879 --> 03:04:39,599
could you see that's what I love
doing the show with you? Because

2783
03:04:39,599 --> 03:04:43,409
all right, well, maybe apropos
now. Yeah, right. It's not

2784
03:04:43,409 --> 03:04:45,269
binario three or three,

2785
03:04:45,299 --> 03:04:47,699
no three on the scale is binary,
I guess.

2786
03:04:48,090 --> 03:04:51,930
Right. So there's grades of
gender and sexuality, this

2787
03:04:51,930 --> 03:04:56,880
gradient across the spectrum.
Whereas used to be gay, straight

2788
03:04:56,880 --> 03:04:59,580
or bisexual, right? I mean, that
was the right Oh, yeah,

2789
03:04:59,700 --> 03:05:02,760
well Even bisexual took a while
for that one to come in.

2790
03:05:03,270 --> 03:05:05,850
Right? I'm just saying that
nothing that fits even more

2791
03:05:05,850 --> 03:05:07,890
fitting now, even the time it
came out.

2792
03:05:08,040 --> 03:05:12,000
But anyway, there was there was
a lot of controversy about

2793
03:05:12,000 --> 03:05:15,150
there. I also I believe you
participated in the in the

2794
03:05:15,150 --> 03:05:19,500
study. So there's a lot of a lot
of issues with it. But could

2795
03:05:19,500 --> 03:05:23,940
this have been important in this
context for? How say how

2796
03:05:23,940 --> 03:05:27,720
sexuality was really introduced
into the public lexicon? You

2797
03:05:27,720 --> 03:05:29,340
bet. You bet.

2798
03:05:30,690 --> 03:05:35,190
So let's go. I have a junior
Reisman today, just give me

2799
03:05:35,220 --> 03:05:39,750
doctor input suspect her name,
not the Judas Reisman. This is

2800
03:05:39,750 --> 03:05:44,640
1990. A December 5. She's on the
phil donahue show.

2801
03:05:46,170 --> 03:05:49,020
Fundamentally, all the
information on children is based

2802
03:05:49,050 --> 03:05:54,690
on sexual abuse of 317 infants
and children from two months of

2803
03:05:54,690 --> 03:05:59,220
age to 14 years of age, the
majority of them, in fact, under

2804
03:05:59,250 --> 03:06:00,420
10 years old. Yeah, but

2805
03:06:00,420 --> 03:06:04,290
you can't prove that Dr.
riesman. And those who preside

2806
03:06:04,290 --> 03:06:08,070
at the sex at the Kinsey
Institute today are appalled at

2807
03:06:08,070 --> 03:06:12,120
the, some might say libelous
charges that you make, not only

2808
03:06:12,120 --> 03:06:16,530
about the work done by the late
Dr. Kinsey, but also by some who

2809
03:06:16,530 --> 03:06:19,740
follow him. We should also tell
you that Indiana University a

2810
03:06:19,740 --> 03:06:23,310
very proud conservative
institution of higher learning

2811
03:06:23,310 --> 03:06:28,560
in America stands by this
institute. And most of the

2812
03:06:28,560 --> 03:06:32,370
people who survive today who
worked with Dr. Kinsey identify

2813
03:06:32,370 --> 03:06:36,210
him as an honorable man who
abused nobody touched nobody.

2814
03:06:36,720 --> 03:06:39,540
And not surprisingly, it was a
subject of controversy on the

2815
03:06:39,540 --> 03:06:42,810
occasion of the publication of
his book about men in 1948. And

2816
03:06:42,810 --> 03:06:47,430
women in 1943 53. You can't
prove that he abused children.

2817
03:06:47,459 --> 03:06:50,339
I think that the book
establishes that there was abuse

2818
03:06:50,339 --> 03:06:52,739
that took place without any
question. He admitted that

2819
03:06:52,769 --> 03:06:57,299
excuse me, he admitted that in
the book, and if in fact, it was

2820
03:06:57,839 --> 03:07:02,129
admitted that Oh, boy do I wish
he said he described nine

2821
03:07:02,129 --> 03:07:04,769
technically trained men, he
called them technically trained

2822
03:07:04,769 --> 03:07:09,149
men who he said were sexually
stimming. He said they were they

2823
03:07:09,149 --> 03:07:12,719
had had sexual relationships
with young boys, and that they

2824
03:07:12,719 --> 03:07:14,999
were the source of all of his
data.

2825
03:07:16,290 --> 03:07:21,270
Hmm, okay. I don't remember that
in the TV series. Right.

2826
03:07:21,930 --> 03:07:28,350
And you hear how phil donahue is
running a protection against for

2827
03:07:28,350 --> 03:07:34,050
Kinsey. And it sounds very
similar to how Whoopi Goldberg

2828
03:07:34,380 --> 03:07:38,190
was running interference for a
Roman Polanski. And yet, you

2829
03:07:38,190 --> 03:07:41,580
can't prove that, you know, this
kind of, obviously, it's even I

2830
03:07:41,580 --> 03:07:41,850
mean,

2831
03:07:41,909 --> 03:07:45,539
not, not for one way or the
other. I mean, we take Wikipedia

2832
03:07:45,539 --> 03:07:49,739
for what it is, but it's right
there. And Wikipedia says it

2833
03:07:49,739 --> 03:07:54,809
right there about the children.
There it is, um, I mean,

2834
03:07:54,809 --> 03:07:57,899
Wikipedia, you know, they'd like
to take stuff off stuff like

2835
03:07:57,899 --> 03:08:02,099
this. I'm just saying it's it is
there. Yeah, he was researching

2836
03:08:02,099 --> 03:08:07,169
children in short shows and
observing orgasms in over 300

2837
03:08:07,169 --> 03:08:10,109
children aged from two months up
to 15 years old.

2838
03:08:10,530 --> 03:08:13,080
So how do you? How do you want
to think about it, but I'm just

2839
03:08:13,080 --> 03:08:19,620
saying now you understand, like,
even in 1990. On this isn't just

2840
03:08:19,620 --> 03:08:24,600
for people that went around phil
donahue was mainstream daytime

2841
03:08:24,600 --> 03:08:29,520
television. This is not some,
you know, obscure, you know,

2842
03:08:29,550 --> 03:08:33,690
clip. This was on mainstream
television in the daytime. And

2843
03:08:33,690 --> 03:08:38,730
he's clearly running
interference for Kinsey and the

2844
03:08:39,390 --> 03:08:42,510
University of Indiana, which he
calls a conservative University.

2845
03:08:42,510 --> 03:08:46,470
So it's not across the spectrum
of a liberal conservative

2846
03:08:46,500 --> 03:08:51,240
either. You want to get into the
second clip? Yes. Oh, sure.

2847
03:08:51,539 --> 03:08:54,839
He described screaming and
fainting and convulsions. He

2848
03:08:54,839 --> 03:08:57,869
described, he described children
who were striking what he called

2849
03:08:57,959 --> 03:09:01,529
the partner. That was those that
was the man who was who was

2850
03:09:01,529 --> 03:09:04,229
abusing the children. And then
he drew from that conclusion

2851
03:09:04,229 --> 03:09:08,369
himself, Phil, from that
conclusion himself, that the

2852
03:09:08,399 --> 03:09:11,459
children enjoy the experience
that's blaming the victim. You

2853
03:09:11,459 --> 03:09:12,299
know what that is

2854
03:09:12,330 --> 03:09:15,960
this audience you are entitled
to have me identify my own bias

2855
03:09:15,960 --> 03:09:19,770
here right at the beginning,
okay. I admire what the sex the

2856
03:09:19,770 --> 03:09:23,520
what the Kinsey Institute does.
I am personally familiar with

2857
03:09:23,520 --> 03:09:26,700
its director and have worked
with her and she has made a very

2858
03:09:26,700 --> 03:09:30,210
important contribution to a
series that I was proud to have

2859
03:09:30,210 --> 03:09:37,440
my name on in 1986. So and not a
few people who support Kinsey,

2860
03:09:37,470 --> 03:09:39,480
the Kinsey Institute have
questioned your credentials.

2861
03:09:39,570 --> 03:09:41,490
course they do. I would if I was
have the

2862
03:09:42,510 --> 03:09:46,770
basement, Phil happens to be the
most repudiated PhD in America.

2863
03:09:48,330 --> 03:09:52,320
Still sure her work has been
rejected by the Justice

2864
03:09:52,320 --> 03:09:57,240
Department that ate their
$800,000 grant. Now secondly,

2865
03:09:57,480 --> 03:10:02,670
Mr. Nice please do The American
University also rejected this

2866
03:10:02,670 --> 03:10:05,790
study. The meese commission
refused decided, and I

2867
03:10:05,790 --> 03:10:07,620
don't think you've ever been
published. Have you in a

2868
03:10:07,620 --> 03:10:11,940
scientific journal? Never. Hey,
how about the psychology and

2869
03:10:11,940 --> 03:10:15,900
sociobiology? Is that scientific
enough to not spend most a good

2870
03:10:15,900 --> 03:10:19,560
deal of time writing music for
Captain Kangaroo? Oh my god.

2871
03:10:22,889 --> 03:10:26,009
Wow, she was there was they
brought her on her take her

2872
03:10:26,009 --> 03:10:31,529
down. Exactly. And yet all of
that, that she saying is

2873
03:10:31,529 --> 03:10:36,569
reported here with sources in
the book. Mm hmm. That's why

2874
03:10:36,569 --> 03:10:39,299
it's in sources. Yeah. Because
he wrote about it exactly in his

2875
03:10:39,299 --> 03:10:44,099
book. Like, taking him down,
like, are you not a PhD? You

2876
03:10:44,099 --> 03:10:46,349
might have even been published
as you're writing Captain

2877
03:10:46,349 --> 03:10:47,399
Kangaroo music.

2878
03:10:49,770 --> 03:10:53,220
Very similar to what we're
hearing now. Shockley, you're

2879
03:10:53,220 --> 03:10:59,580
not a real doctor. Your
credentials. What you see when a

2880
03:11:00,030 --> 03:11:02,970
struck the power structure wants
to protect somebody.

2881
03:11:03,270 --> 03:11:04,200
It goes all in.

2882
03:11:05,219 --> 03:11:08,219
So now when you look at the
other side, and people want to

2883
03:11:08,219 --> 03:11:11,999
say, well, we need to protect
bill calm, because the net you

2884
03:11:11,999 --> 03:11:15,809
know, net net of it is you know,
he was good for black people.

2885
03:11:17,639 --> 03:11:21,419
why don't why not? I'm not
saying let me be very clear. I

2886
03:11:21,419 --> 03:11:25,679
am not saying that. But when you
see this and hear this

2887
03:11:25,799 --> 03:11:34,469
protection of Hugh Hefner of
Kinsey, of whoever, Roman

2888
03:11:34,469 --> 03:11:39,089
Polanski, we've heard case by
case by case by case. Oh,

2889
03:11:39,089 --> 03:11:49,139
protecting these mean. But
America's dad gotta go. Yeah, it

2890
03:11:49,139 --> 03:11:52,919
doesn't. It doesn't mean doesn't
make a lot of sense. Either.

2891
03:11:52,919 --> 03:11:55,409
Either. Bad or all good. He did
something.

2892
03:11:55,409 --> 03:12:00,029
He didn't do something right.
Not in the club. I don't know.

2893
03:12:00,569 --> 03:12:01,829
That's really odd.

2894
03:12:03,810 --> 03:12:06,960
Yeah, I hear what you're saying.
I hear what you're saying. And

2895
03:12:06,960 --> 03:12:11,550
that's for 1990. So let's go
ahead and get up to speed with

2896
03:12:11,550 --> 03:12:16,650
the almanac, CBS morning on
Alfred Kinsey.

2897
03:12:19,709 --> 03:12:23,189
And now a page from our Sunday
morning Almanac. June

2898
03:12:23,189 --> 03:12:31,289
23 1894 125 years ago today, the
day sex researcher Alfred

2899
03:12:31,289 --> 03:12:36,299
Charles Kinsey was born in
Hoboken, New Jersey. A trained

2900
03:12:36,299 --> 03:12:42,539
biologist Kinsey achieved fame,
even notoriety in the 1940s and

2901
03:12:42,539 --> 03:12:47,999
50s with a pair of best selling
books about male and female

2902
03:12:47,999 --> 03:12:52,949
sexual behavior. Controversial
research he defended on

2903
03:12:52,949 --> 03:13:00,539
scientific grounds. practically
nothing known about women. In

2904
03:13:00,539 --> 03:13:08,159
comparison with other animals.
Kinsey based his eye opening

2905
03:13:08,159 --> 03:13:13,109
findings on 1000s of personal
interviews, training his

2906
03:13:13,109 --> 03:13:18,059
researchers to first put their
subjects at ease, as portrayed

2907
03:13:18,059 --> 03:13:23,699
in the 2004 film Kinsey starring
Liam Neeson a few years in with

2908
03:13:23,699 --> 03:13:26,189
an Oculus questions people
forget their giving sex

2909
03:13:26,189 --> 03:13:30,299
histories. Many of Kinsey's
findings and techniques remain

2910
03:13:30,299 --> 03:13:34,349
controversial, including his
occasional reliance on the

2911
03:13:34,349 --> 03:13:39,569
accounts of admitted child
abusers. Still, he's widely

2912
03:13:39,569 --> 03:13:44,969
hailed as a trailblazer in a
previously taboo field. Alfred

2913
03:13:44,969 --> 03:13:51,899
Kinsey died in 1956 at the age
of 62. Today, the research he

2914
03:13:51,899 --> 03:13:56,399
pioneered continues at the
Kinsey Institute at Indiana

2915
03:13:56,399 --> 03:13:57,689
University in

2916
03:13:57,690 --> 03:14:03,690
Bloomington. take a little look
see over their research is

2917
03:14:03,690 --> 03:14:05,190
coming along Indiana.

2918
03:14:07,440 --> 03:14:11,220
There you have it. That's the
that's the show on Bill Cosby

2919
03:14:11,610 --> 03:14:16,230
and his counterpart. My final
thoughts on this whole

2920
03:14:16,230 --> 03:14:22,530
situation? I think there are all
answers soon kinky, even

2921
03:14:22,530 --> 03:14:27,900
criminal sexual behavior, but it
was allowed. And as we've seen

2922
03:14:27,900 --> 03:14:31,530
here for some people is still
there. Their past is not allowed

2923
03:14:31,530 --> 03:14:38,460
to be brought up. But for Bill's
case, he was a very useful pass

2924
03:14:38,460 --> 03:14:42,990
he are our sacrificial lamb to
be taken out for me to to show

2925
03:14:42,990 --> 03:14:47,370
that hey, we got one of the big
ones. So even steel, he was

2926
03:14:47,370 --> 03:14:49,680
allowed to get out. So

2927
03:14:51,600 --> 03:14:55,440
that's the blue lake Boulay
phone. Most likely, they'd like

2928
03:14:55,440 --> 03:14:58,920
us to stop now. They think we've
taken this far enough. I think

2929
03:15:00,390 --> 03:15:05,220
That might be the big phone that
might be the white phone. That's

2930
03:15:05,220 --> 03:15:07,380
how it is. All right now what

2931
03:15:07,380 --> 03:15:10,380
I mean is like when you start
touching on Kinsey in here,

2932
03:15:11,160 --> 03:15:13,020
that's a whole different phone
rings.

2933
03:15:16,139 --> 03:15:18,749
Moe, thank you so much, man.
That was great. I was really

2934
03:15:18,749 --> 03:15:20,909
really enjoyable. So much fun.

2935
03:15:21,779 --> 03:15:26,009
I'm glad you enjoyed Adam and as
I always say, pay attention to

2936
03:15:26,009 --> 03:15:29,579
everything. And the truth will
reveal itself. And we thank you

2937
03:15:29,579 --> 03:15:33,629
all for being here and we'll be
here in 14 days.

2938
03:15:34,139 --> 03:15:42,089
Make sure you tune in mo facts
with Adam Curry is straight up

2939
03:15:42,089 --> 03:15:58,439
getting the hand really want him
Look at me right in the face. I

2940
03:15:58,439 --> 03:16:05,339
shouldn't know when something's
wrong. When I get up in the

2941
03:16:05,339 --> 03:16:17,519
morning, you just give a
throwaway. I was

2942
03:16:19,649 --> 03:16:31,229
just kind of saying fine. Would
you be all on the telephone in

2943
03:16:31,229 --> 03:16:45,419
the corner? Kind of whispering
so I don't hear when you just

2944
03:16:45,419 --> 03:16:57,119
didn't mean nothing. When you
get to him, you don't take to

2945
03:16:57,119 --> 03:17:18,449
him. When you see the sign you
don't read it was on the

2946
03:17:18,449 --> 03:17:54,389
telephone. Don't kiss back. You
just say nothing. When you look

2947
03:17:54,389 --> 03:17:56,819
at me, any eyes, don't stay