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Moe facts with Adam Curry for
September 14 2021 welcome to

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episode number 66. We're on our
schedule two weeks on off and

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happy to be here once again I'm
Adam Curry here in the heart of

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Texas Hill Country and somewhere
in Northern Virginia my friend

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on the other end ladies and
gentlemen Mr. Mo facts Wow, that

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was perfect. Whole intro like
you were a wrestler coming up,

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you know? Good mo you man. How's
everything going there?

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I'm doing great. I'm doing
great. Like I said, we're on

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schedule.

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I love it. This is really good.
Before you know be professional

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podcasters

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and to do a little promo for the
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started doing something
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the lives Yeah, the lost tapes.
So we did a whole nother show on

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Bill Cosby because so much
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untouched. So I love that over
there. Check it out.

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Now you doing that after each
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before each mo fax episode drops
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So what happens is what I call
it is the interactive

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newsletter. So what what we
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Wednesday on the YouTube mo
facts right, we'll cover some of

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the topics that we covered
today. Oh in more detail, and

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you know how the video aspect
and then we have the live

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feedback from the producer. So
it's nice another experience and

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it gives them something every
week to look forward to and it

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keeps

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you off the streets more let's
be honest about it. It's good

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for

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what do you say we spin the
wheel? Please sir

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All right, here we go. There it
is. Big Ass wheels topics round

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around. It goes where stop
nobody knows except of course mo

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because puts it all together and
figures it out. What is the

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topic for Episode 66 of mo facts
with Adam Curry.

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Loves pot love. Like Star Trek.
Remember that the Star Trek

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theme song when it was black and
white? Oh yeah, it was like

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alright, potluck. Good. So we
would do we got a couple of

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topics for today.

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We got a handful of topics we're
gonna cover to be exact for

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blocks. Okay, have some current
events that's been going on that

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I've been keeping an eye on so
we're happy to talk about them.

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And these are the topics that
don't really need a full show or

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sometimes they can spin off
until for show depending on how

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far we go into it. But and
there's a theme to this one.

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okay to say um

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there is nothing versus a theme
to it.

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There's a sub theme to the theme
Mr. Jones, we have to talk about

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it. We had to put some respect
on the man's name with the horse

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pace debacle we saw the news
media oh

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do I hit do i do i do the next
topic thing here is that just go

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ahead and let's get into it. Oh,
LeBron James has a mandate of

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heaven now. Okay, so somehow
this fits into Alex Jones

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Well, he's gonna be a running
theme through the show because

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oh when I'm done here is topics
that he's thrown out like he's

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like Kanye right? Um what like
the fish sticks you're gay if

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your fist sticks and well yeah,
they talking means or what me

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and my man young girl Call me
when nice right? Is they talking

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me he's talking to these like
catchphrases. So when you hear

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this stuff is like, easily
dismissed. But in the show, I

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have a handful of statements
he's made Yeah, that I want to

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deep dive into and one the first
one being LeBron James has a

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mandate from heaven. So it's
gonna be a fun show. Little you

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know, we get little
conspiratorial on. Yeah, you

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don't say no, no, no, never
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I guess we mean, if you're ready

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to. I'm ready. I'm ready. I'm
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favorite people. LeBron James
Alex Jones. We're good to go as

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all

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of you if you weren't just to
warn people.

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Good. Good cuz I got stuff to
talk about whenever. Hopefully

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it's about Donda.

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Well, we're not gonna go actual
Kanye, but I had It is so okay

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just to bring ourselves back
from the edge of going for Alex

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Jones. So

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okay, hold on a second. This
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Come on Mary finagle Alex Jones.
Come on.

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Come on. So this is CBS, Los
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Well, Brian James says the
decision on whether or not he

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gets the COVID-19 vaccine will
probably be kept private, adding

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it's a conversation between you
and your family and not for

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everybody else. NBA Commissioner
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would not require players to get
the vaccine, nor would it

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require fans to be vaccinated in
order to attend games. Katie

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Johnston for CBS la?

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Yeah, this is a big topic I've
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He's been trying to hide in the
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decision, whether it's not a big
deal if I say it or not. And the

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NBA is kind of box them in,
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local mandates of if you're not
vaccinated, you don't play. So

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we're going to look at that
whole thing. And if there's a

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sub topic in the sub topic that
I want to follow as well, it all

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connects as it always does. Um,
so have you been like you said,

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You've heard this so?

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Well, I mean, that's exactly.
You know, I've been studying NBA

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from a different angle, the
owners and Epstein, which I hope

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to Wow, you with one of these
days. It's like, it's like crazy

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when you look into the depths of
that and how coincidental it all

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is an Apollo management. So this
other stuff is, you know, I've

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been, I'm a little COVID tired.
Okay, and I'm a little brand

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tired as well, I have to admit.
So. Yeah, I mean, obviously, I

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kind of know what's going on. So
I'm, I can't wait to hear at

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all.

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So what I want to do is show you
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the pressure will be applied,
and you can't just duck down in

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the weeds and, and not say I
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you know, that doesn't work.
They did it with that with him

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and on China. Yeah, we're gonna
try. No, that did not work at

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all. It did not work. But I will
say this, I think LeBron James

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knows he has the timing, to
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gonna take it, he's gonna take a
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he's trying to play the middle,
because he was vaccinated, or

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was that vaccine friendly? He
would just come out, say it

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right, even though I'm taking
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sleeve. I don't care what's in
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mean, obviously, if you're gonna
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Right. So I want to go into the
pressure tactics that they use.

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And one of the pressure points
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Smith. From first take,

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I don't blame the players have
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vaccines, considering our
nation's history and our

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mistrust of the federal
government. We know that

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history, we don't have time to
get into it. But I think

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considering the number of people
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are obviously in the millions,
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indiscriminate, there are black
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taken a vaccine, I do think it's
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mentality that if we have the
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something that we should do. And
if they come my way with it, I

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will take the vaccine.

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Let me address what you just
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Americans, we are used to a
situation where money and power

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gives you greater access to
things and people feel that

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that's normal. I think if I were
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get my hands on vaccines and I
could legally distributed I

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would to the players. If you're
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arbiter, do I think that that's
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No, I don't. So I disagree with
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practice, we probably see I
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on economic lines along the ones
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way to do it is what the most
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internationally is you start
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there's even more with
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oldest Do you know, 85 and over
75, and over 65, and over do it

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like that and people with
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responders and then the rest of
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So this was early on? Yeah. And
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even Steven a Smith was hesitant
as you heard him saying Yeah,

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but obviously somebody taught me
Steven Naismith. And he wait a

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minute. Was it a phone? Is that
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phone call?

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I don't know which way the phone
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the headquarters like hey,

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I don't know. Yeah.

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So as you get here in this one,
Max Kellerman, kind of top

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Steven Naismith on and it starts
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gonna get into that as well. So
anything you want to address

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Keep it rolling. Mo I'm loving
this. I mean these are names I

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don't even know you know, I got
to look them up while you're

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talking. I am not Mr.
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No, it's not about basketball
we've we spotted early on in the

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NBA was the League of choice
sure for the vaccine rollout

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being Rudy go bear was the first
one to catch the major athlete

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who does he play for?

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He plays for the Utah Jazz Okay,
um and you know that's when they

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shut down the league they had
the horrible the NFL again they

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have the vaccine mandate um,
what they leave it up to the

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players not to take it if they
want to now with heavy fines

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gets a little more serious.
Yeah, I guess they're more

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serious.

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Right. But the NBA has been all
in since the beginning like I

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said with the bubble down and
Disney and all of that stuff and

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Black Lives Matter on the court
and all those things so they've

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been very vaccine friendly.

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So of course in China's still
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their their weapon of choice is
the NBA. Where there you have

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it, just just say, and not
conspiratorial anything just

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laying it out there.

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If they give a fake looks to
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like a duck and quacks like a
duck. So we have next Charles

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Barkley, and he's going to speak
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I think they should let the NBA
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vaccine. That's just my personal
opinion. I don't I don't know.

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That's what people were talking
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need 300 million shots up giving
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about what about NFL NFL? The
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Listen as much taxes these
players pay. Let me repeat that.

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It's much taxes these players
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preferential treatment for for
life and death. Yes, the amount

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of money you make no taxes,
amount of money you make what

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amount of taxes these guys pay
it they we can't go there. You

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got to take care of the elderly
in the in the at risk. I totally

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agree. We need to take care of
the first responders and the old

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people. But I'm saying given a
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players is not gonna change the
world. I'm just saying it just

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making saving favors not
changing the world while you're

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going to them first because we
listen, I'm just saying we Why

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do they get the preferential?
Why do we all I'm saying why

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don't we get the preference of
if we're gonna try to play

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basketball, right? We're gonna
keep having COVID outbreak Okay.

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That that discussion could go
on? And you know, there's no

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right or wrong answer here.

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Isn't Barkley old enough to
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He's right on the cusp.

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Gotta be close. He's gotta be

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No, wait, weight issues and
things like that. They might

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bump them up even more because,
you know, comorbidities and

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whatnot. But this is Charles not
being read in. And they're

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trying to walk him back. Did
you? Did you notice?

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Oh, totally, totally. Like, look
at my eyes. Charles looking my

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eyes. Listen to what I'm saying.

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He's saying the millionaires and
elite should get the shot before

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everybody else, which I totally
agree with. I agree with.

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They should totally do it in
public. And they should wait for

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like 30 minutes so we can make
sure that they're okay. That's a

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very good idea. Yes.

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monitor for 30 days. Yeah, of
course. Now you can fire up the

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phone.

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Here is Charles.

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Number four.

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I know that. That that you you
speak your mind that, as I said

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that you're so honest about
sharing your opinions? Have you

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ever said anything that you wish
that you would have said

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differently or not said at all?

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Yeah, I'm so glad you asked my
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Believe it or not, it was a
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these NBA players I think they
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even though I believe it. I
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vaccine because we have no idea
how plants force is going to

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have effect on you down the
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you're gonna try to play
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get the shot. But I made it seem
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than other people and they're
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I apologize if everybody was
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my players to be safe when they
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they get it because, you know,
we have no idea how this thing

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gonna affect people in 10 2030
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person and Apologize I've been
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Well, I'm glad you got to
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gonna take a break. We're gonna
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we come back, we'll be back.

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Wow, holy

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crap. Shut up. Shut up. I'm
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all, he said, we have no idea
what's going to play out in 30

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years from now. That was
interesting. He he's stepping

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out every step and all like a
whole yard for the rakes. Every

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time he says he's like, another
rate makes it worse. But you see

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how it works? Anything you ever
wanted to apologize about? Or

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you felt was stupid, you know?
And this was it. That I mean

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that's why he was brought on the
show for to get it out to the

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masses that hey, I said
something stupid. I said what we

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really think

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was there a lot of backlash? Was
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the first the first statement he
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Of course that's why he's on The
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guy on Brock. I mean, daytime
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the course.

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And here's I don't understand
why didn't just answer

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truthfully because it would work
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examples to everybody if he had
said that it would have been

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okay.

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But what he said no, I know what
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guys.

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They said pay a lot of taxes.
They deserve it first,

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right? Screw it dying old person
by 1000 dead people. What is it

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really nothing that says nothing
to the NBA. The NBA is like Hey,

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no, no, no, no, no, no you can't
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this vaccine gonna do that
people in 2013 can't

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believe he said that he screwed
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good. So

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let's Chuck for you now. But
what's fascinating is Charles

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Barkley was all the morning. I'm
gonna apologize for anything.

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I'm right. I speak my mind. Yes.
Not when that phone rings and

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that's why I had to bring the
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starting to see when you step
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and that's what's happening with
LeBron right now.

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He's the phone ain't rang yet.
Or you know, or you know, or

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they send them like a bootleg
text. It's like I said to send

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you a text and one emoji that's
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text. Oh, Okay, I got it.

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So now we go back to first take
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a little bit. So Max Kellerman,
aka Black's Kellerman has always

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been known for one upping Steven
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as we explored on episode 16.

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I was gonna say a long time ago
that we talked about that,

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right, but it's just came to a
head and clip number six, we're

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going to hear example of him one
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athletes should not be forced
into positions where they must

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publicly espouse that they are
Affirmative. Lee, you know,

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they're they're, they're,
they're putting their weight on.

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Yes, everyone should do this.
Because if they don't feel that

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way, then they shouldn't be
forced into a hypocritical

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position. This is However, if
the vaccine is available, and

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they opt not to take it they
shouldn't play. Like that's what

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if they don't put a public
service announcement is

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something else. They should not
be forced to do public service

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announcements, even if i think
it's it's foolish not to. Now,

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let me tell you why I think it's
foolish not doing what I think

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their problem is. In the Venn
diagram, right? You have the

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different circles and where they
overlap is the shaded area. This

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is a perfect storm, another
metaphor for it. of, of this

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vaccination issue. Number one,
that pro athletes pro athletes

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care about what they put in
their body. And and anyone hears

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Wait, I'm putting a dead disease
in my body, even the thought of

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it's disturbing to a lot of
people to me, yes. You

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understand the science very
well, you still say I just don't

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like the idea of it. And pro
athletes want to be sure about

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what they're ingesting. And
unless it's going to help them

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on the field of play,
especially. That's one, two,

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there's a lot of anti vaxxer
nonsense out there, just

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nonsense and low quality
information that many among us

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have have swallowed and kind of
internalized and now believe the

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anti vaxxer industry is utter
nonsense, nonsense. That's all

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nonsense. However, there's an
overlap there too, because many

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in the population, including in
the NBA have subscribed to it,

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as many people have subscribed
to a lot of low quality

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information in recent years. And
misinformation. And three you

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mentioned it, Stephen A, the
United States has a bad history

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with African American people
don't they? And and including

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experiments on African American
people, right. And this is so

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you are Yes. So if you're
thinking, Well, I'm not going to

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be you want me to take that? Are
we sure about this? Are you

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experimenting on me? I think all
three things come into play

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here.

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Wow.

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You can hear Stephen A Smith.
Like this. That's exactly what I

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was talking about max like,
right? In this has been a common

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thing with Max. He always an
owner spectrum of black. I mean,

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cuz we know black is a title not
a race or a brand brand Excuse

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me. Exactly. He's He's always
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has been seen as a conservative
person. Or, you know, he even

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said that black people should
vote republican one time to send

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a message to the Democratic
Party. He quickly came back on

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that statement. He got the
phone, for sure. And then it

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just his overall tone, and you
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So it makes it easy for max to,
you know, one up him when it

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comes to the blackness. So, um,
Steven that you can hear the

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biggest pain. Oh, yeah. And I'm
Steven age voice like, you're

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doing it again. Right. Um, so
yeah, so it irks them. And then

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you just heard him say, and this
is a great opportunity for you

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to ask the question about
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as I was gonna say that we had a
I'd actually, offline off the

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show I, we talked about this,
and I said, Hey, man, I can

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remember exactly. So I hope you
remember your exact answer. I

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said, you know, this Tuskegee
experiment, I said, Yeah,

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absolutely. It was a long time
ago, and even clean. But you

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know, it's so bad. Even
President Clinton had to

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apologize for it. But it seems
like it's being used as a

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crutch. Like, that's the only
thing I ever hear. Not that it's

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not valid, but seems a little
bit like a cop out. Because, you

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know, so much has happened since
then, which I think is also

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valid to be suspicious of
government in general. So

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what I yeah, what I would say
it's not a crutch. It's the

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repellent. It's a it's the one
thing that you can say that, you

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know, resonates, you know, with
whoever is asking you and

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putting pressure on you to say,
what about Tuskegee? Right,

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right. You kind of got to back
off the person, which we have

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our worse experiments.

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Well, you said that you could
discuss you said something else

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to me, which which stuck in my
mind. Go ahead. Well, I

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said a lot about the battery
mom. And this was just

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Adam and Moe talking as friends.
Right, which is what the show is

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as well. It's just we weren't
rolling tape. I said, No, here's

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what you said to me. You said,
Adam, you've got to understand

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for black men, just using black
as a brand. You said we hate

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going to the doctor. Because
Yeah, yeah. And I and I say, I'm

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gonna spit it back to you see if
I got it, right. And I said,

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Okay, and by the way, I haven't
seen the inside of actual

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medical doctor's office in many,
many years to do functional

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medicine, all kinds of other
stuff. Voodoo shit. Smells, and

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and you say no black men, we
know that the doctors only a

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pillar, a knife. That's it, and
it brings a whole bunch of other

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crap with it. And by the way, if
this black man here in Texas

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feels the same way. That's why I
never go. I don't want to have

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any of that stuff. I don't trust
him anymore.

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And that's the that's the only
two options you have for it. And

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if you don't have a solution
other than that, and and why go

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I mean, you know what you need
to do eat healthy exercise,

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those kinds of things. But

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well, I mean, there are there
are some absolute things that

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that needs to be looked at. But
I was just surprised because

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obviously, a lot of a das men go
to the doctor for a high blood

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pressure, and for and for
diabetes.

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Most of the time, that's because
just a free visit. a loved one

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is pressured to go. You're free
physical, and I'll say like,

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full disclosure, my wife is like
I scheduled your free physical.

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Oh, interesting is that is that
kind of thing? Tina does with it

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with a dentist.

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It's not like we're picking up
the phone line. Let me get my

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blood pressure change. That kind
of thing. But I also want to

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bring to the show that it's used
as a repellent as well for

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people that may not be vaccine
friendly. Because that backs you

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up often we will offer Yeah,
very easily. We need a new dead

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black person, you know. Just
wait.

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I think there's a couple that we
kind of overlooked who who died

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within days of their
vaccination.

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We got a whole host of things
that look at now. All

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right. All right. Thank you. I'm
glad we brought that back up.

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But yeah, that's what they're,
that's what they're alluding to.

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Because the Tuskegee one is the
one that every bit In the shared

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consciousness of people, so it's
like you say Tuskegee, and is

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our magnet? Well, I'm not going
to push that any further,

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because I know where that goes.
But you see that only has so

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many legs, what's going on now
and exactly in society. So, just

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as a reminder, let's go back to
show 16. And this is the

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ultimate example of this is
around the Colin Kaepernick

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situation. And Steven Naismith
was critical of Colin

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Kaepernick, and I think this is
when he did that stage workout

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for Nike and that whole thing
Yeah. And Tara Owens confront

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Steven Naismith.

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So what he wanted was
transparency for people to see

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the full workout to see the full
Colin Kaepernick again, you

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mentioned obviously Max is going
to get in here like so. I'm in

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the streets. Max almost seems
blacker than you, Steven A. with

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with with with the upcoming

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commentator with all due
respect, my man Oh, wait a

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minute. Wait a minute. I'm gonna
check you right now. You don't

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cry. I'm just saying. You don't.
First of all, like I say you

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Eric Reid, any of y'all that
wanted to bait me in front of

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black people and talk about
what's best for black people

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named the time and place I'll
show up. I don't want to hit

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what's the definition of
blackness? Is there a definitive

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definition of blackness?

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Hmm. Yeah, remember this?

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So, in the meantime, there was

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it was pretty, it was pretty
insulting what he says you

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should vote for Trump.

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Especially true omens being a
black man. You know what that

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means? Like you couldn't he
might say that over and over

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again, you might get punched um
yeah, you don't say that. You

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just don't say that. But that
was a he wanted to triggers that

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even a Smith and that was a low
hanging fruit to do it with but

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in the meantime I have to give
cash to people up on YouTube via

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news co Kwame brown case cam
came out and made Steven a Smith

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his number one target and label
their whole crew they go along

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to get along gang Hey boo like

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someone else. Tina was talking
about this. handkerchief

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handkerchief heads. Have you
ever heard this term? No, I

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haven't. But it's also supposed
to be get along go along crew.

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Thank you. Okay. Yeah,

441
00:27:32,850 --> 00:27:35,580
I haven't heard that but that's
what he labeled him and it

442
00:27:35,580 --> 00:27:40,110
stuck. And you know, and it's
putting a lot of pressure on

443
00:27:40,500 --> 00:27:43,500
Stephen a smear and you can tell
because he even made a reply

444
00:27:43,500 --> 00:27:48,990
video to Kwame brown own his
show. So that mean that tell you

445
00:27:48,990 --> 00:27:52,920
how far I've gotten up on their
skin. And not only has Kwame

446
00:27:52,920 --> 00:27:57,540
brown gotten up on this, Steven
a skin Max has and this is the

447
00:27:57,540 --> 00:28:00,990
second follow up clip to what
Terrell Owens said and Max had

448
00:28:00,990 --> 00:28:04,890
to chime in on on what happened
here and I know Max, you didn't

449
00:28:04,890 --> 00:28:06,960
have a chance to jump in and I'm
sure you want to respond.

450
00:28:07,080 --> 00:28:10,050
Okay guys a shot of explosive
when to you said tongue in

451
00:28:10,050 --> 00:28:13,260
cheek. You said that Steve that
I seen blacker than Stephen A

452
00:28:13,260 --> 00:28:16,050
and Steven a obviously had to
respond to that. And I want to

453
00:28:16,050 --> 00:28:19,020
respond to that before I say
what I originally wanted to say.

454
00:28:19,260 --> 00:28:22,230
Which is first of all, I can't
eat any more all the cookouts

455
00:28:22,230 --> 00:28:26,130
I've been invited to like since
this whole thing came up. I see

456
00:28:26,130 --> 00:28:30,660
Steven a is having inherited not
only a respect for authority,

457
00:28:30,660 --> 00:28:35,010
but a working knowledge of
reality and what it takes to get

458
00:28:35,010 --> 00:28:38,130
ahead, no excuses. You can
always look for excuses. You can

459
00:28:38,130 --> 00:28:40,050
look for things to lean on. You
can look for where it's not

460
00:28:40,050 --> 00:28:44,760
perfect. Or you can do what you
have to do, which is what Steven

461
00:28:44,760 --> 00:28:48,450
a is done. And I would say that
his his that your point of view,

462
00:28:48,450 --> 00:28:52,590
Steven a to Steven A's point of
view, is not less black

463
00:28:52,590 --> 00:28:56,970
necessarily than someone else's
who's more strident. It is more

464
00:28:56,970 --> 00:29:00,000
conservative in certain
respects. And my point of view

465
00:29:00,000 --> 00:29:03,630
is oftentimes more progressive.
My own background is Jewish,

466
00:29:03,630 --> 00:29:06,570
secular, not religious, but
Jewish secular. So one of the

467
00:29:06,570 --> 00:29:10,350
things you get around Passover
is act like you were a slave in

468
00:29:10,350 --> 00:29:13,290
Egypt. That's how I grew up.
Like you know, with that

469
00:29:13,290 --> 00:29:16,350
tradition of always look at the
oppressed and look for

470
00:29:16,410 --> 00:29:19,380
righteousness and justice. And
so I'm striking in that way.

471
00:29:19,410 --> 00:29:23,250
However, me myself I did not
have to go through the struggle

472
00:29:23,250 --> 00:29:24,210
like that he

473
00:29:24,210 --> 00:29:32,100
made it to the cookout. He made
it to the barbecue. So let me

474
00:29:32,100 --> 00:29:35,340
explain to you what Steven
Naismith may have been hearing

475
00:29:35,370 --> 00:29:40,680
as I'm a black man, right? Yes,
good. Go for it here and I know

476
00:29:40,680 --> 00:29:43,470
Max, you didn't have a chance to
jump in and I'm sure you want to

477
00:29:43,470 --> 00:29:43,770
respond.

478
00:29:43,890 --> 00:29:46,860
Okay, guys a shot of explosive
when to you said tongue in

479
00:29:46,860 --> 00:29:50,070
cheek. You said that, Steve that
I seem blacker than Stephen A

480
00:29:50,070 --> 00:29:52,860
and Stephen A obviously had to
respond to that. And I want to

481
00:29:52,860 --> 00:29:55,830
respond to that before I say
what I originally wanted to say,

482
00:29:56,070 --> 00:29:59,040
which is first of all, I can't
eat any more all the cookouts

483
00:29:59,040 --> 00:30:02,970
I've been Decided to like since
this whole thing came up. I see

484
00:30:02,970 --> 00:30:06,870
Stephen A is having inherited
not only a respect for

485
00:30:06,870 --> 00:30:11,250
authority, but a working
knowledge of reality and what it

486
00:30:11,250 --> 00:30:12,120
takes to get ahead.

487
00:30:12,330 --> 00:30:15,210
Yeah. That respect for
authority. Yeah.

488
00:30:15,240 --> 00:30:16,530
Where's that coming from?

489
00:30:16,950 --> 00:30:21,960
That? No, that's it. He's a good
house slave. Yeah.

490
00:30:22,169 --> 00:30:24,539
Well, either that or she
listened to your mom because

491
00:30:24,539 --> 00:30:28,109
she'll whoop your ass. But yeah,
I took it that way, too.

492
00:30:28,559 --> 00:30:32,969
Right. Let's bring in Steve. I
know he's over there saving Cz.

493
00:30:33,809 --> 00:30:37,919
Us respectful. And then he uses
word like straining. So I mean,

494
00:30:37,919 --> 00:30:39,779
let's keep going. Oh, I'm

495
00:30:39,780 --> 00:30:42,000
sorry. I didn't I didn't realize
you want me to roll?

496
00:30:42,629 --> 00:30:44,549
That's fine. That's fine. We
don't even know what you heard

497
00:30:44,549 --> 00:30:45,719
the call? No, I

498
00:30:46,200 --> 00:30:47,010
got it. Yep.

499
00:30:47,099 --> 00:30:52,409
He's laughing on the inside. And
then he's like, Well, you know,

500
00:30:52,409 --> 00:30:56,399
Steven a, you know, I'm, I'm
more strident with my rebellion.

501
00:30:56,579 --> 00:30:59,489
And you know, he's, he's
controlable. He's the you know,

502
00:30:59,489 --> 00:31:04,319
he's the good Negro. No, I'm
telling you this how to receive.

503
00:31:04,319 --> 00:31:06,119
And if you don't believe me,
listen to number nine. What

504
00:31:06,119 --> 00:31:06,539
happened? The

505
00:31:06,540 --> 00:31:09,060
rumors accurate in terms of me
wanting them off the show? Let's

506
00:31:09,060 --> 00:31:14,250
get that out of the way. Yes, I
did. You know, we don't have a

507
00:31:14,250 --> 00:31:19,260
bad relationship. I think he's a
real good guy. I appreciate what

508
00:31:19,260 --> 00:31:23,430
he did for the show. We would
never want for five years. We

509
00:31:23,430 --> 00:31:26,880
stayed number one, and I
appreciate that. But what a lot

510
00:31:26,880 --> 00:31:29,610
of people don't realize is that
the work that goes into doing

511
00:31:29,610 --> 00:31:33,600
the show, every single day, in
the nine years that I've been on

512
00:31:33,600 --> 00:31:39,150
first take I've given over
33,000 takes. And what a lot of

513
00:31:39,150 --> 00:31:41,910
people don't realize is that not
just the work that goes into

514
00:31:41,910 --> 00:31:46,020
that. But also the fact that is
a chemistry that you have, and

515
00:31:46,020 --> 00:31:52,590
sometimes it just stalls. And
the audience let you know that

516
00:31:52,620 --> 00:31:55,710
it is what it is that you feel
the need for something fresh,

517
00:31:55,710 --> 00:31:59,940
you feel the need to retool. And
the reason why I'm unapologetic

518
00:32:00,270 --> 00:32:04,110
about my position is that number
one is no knock against him

519
00:32:04,110 --> 00:32:07,950
personally, his professionalism,
his work ethic, and all of that

520
00:32:07,950 --> 00:32:12,330
other stuff, his talent. It's
not like I wanted the guy to be

521
00:32:12,330 --> 00:32:15,450
fired or anything like that. I
knew that there were landing

522
00:32:15,450 --> 00:32:20,490
spots for him available at this
network that would generate just

523
00:32:20,490 --> 00:32:23,760
as much if not more revenue for
him and all of that other stuff.

524
00:32:24,090 --> 00:32:28,320
And it wasn't really about
asking him to be off the show.

525
00:32:28,320 --> 00:32:33,360
It was about the fact that I
knew that we together as far as

526
00:32:33,360 --> 00:32:37,260
I was concerned, was not a great
partnership anymore. And that

527
00:32:37,260 --> 00:32:40,290
was something that needed to
change. It also wasn't my

528
00:32:40,290 --> 00:32:44,430
decision. You know, I gave my
recommendation. They ask it I

529
00:32:44,430 --> 00:32:47,100
tell it every single year when
the season you know, when the

530
00:32:47,100 --> 00:32:50,700
NBA season comes to an end, the
boss has asked me where I stand.

531
00:32:51,120 --> 00:32:54,900
And for the last three years, I
said this is where I stood.

532
00:32:55,740 --> 00:32:58,500
Man shows you who's got the
juice. Whoa.

533
00:32:59,310 --> 00:33:03,030
Recent juice. He says I've been
asking for him to be fired for

534
00:33:03,030 --> 00:33:05,640
three years now. Yeah, because
he's been blacker to me, you

535
00:33:05,640 --> 00:33:10,200
know, saying not my words. But
that's been the sentiment that I

536
00:33:10,200 --> 00:33:14,160
mean, you heard what Max said
that I'm I can't go any more

537
00:33:14,160 --> 00:33:20,010
cookouts. I'm full over here and
it got underneath even a skin

538
00:33:20,400 --> 00:33:24,810
and that combine that with get a
lot going on. Get him on gang.

539
00:33:24,870 --> 00:33:25,230
This is

540
00:33:25,230 --> 00:33:28,740
so on his heels two years ago,
you wouldn't have any of these

541
00:33:28,740 --> 00:33:31,800
conversations during sports
programming, would you?

542
00:33:34,650 --> 00:33:39,660
it picked up really around.
Colin kapernick that was like,

543
00:33:39,930 --> 00:33:42,870
Okay, yeah, so that was three,
three years. Yeah. Yeah.

544
00:33:42,990 --> 00:33:46,260
So that was the genesis of the
conversation Steven a one to

545
00:33:46,260 --> 00:33:50,970
keep it to sports. Max knew as
long as he's like that cool hip

546
00:33:50,970 --> 00:33:54,510
hop, kind of white guy. You're
saying he likes rap, you know,

547
00:33:54,510 --> 00:33:57,390
and that kind of thing. So he
knows a rat references. So he

548
00:33:57,390 --> 00:33:57,810
can

549
00:33:58,800 --> 00:34:06,450
like the douchebag Ari Melbourne
on MSN. That guy I just want to

550
00:34:06,450 --> 00:34:09,090
rip his neck off and pull it
through the TV screen.

551
00:34:09,570 --> 00:34:17,520
In all fairness, never go for a
very bad idea. But Max is like

552
00:34:17,520 --> 00:34:23,790
Nah, he's not at nobody's beds
are are his pit cover him.

553
00:34:25,080 --> 00:34:29,760
In the genius words of two pucks
record I'm like click don't want

554
00:34:29,760 --> 00:34:30,240
to hear Yeah,

555
00:34:30,270 --> 00:34:34,470
exactly. But in the thing was
steaming as leaves off because

556
00:34:34,470 --> 00:34:38,400
he's the host headliner. That's
right. So all Max has to do is

557
00:34:38,400 --> 00:34:39,120
sit back in the

558
00:34:39,120 --> 00:34:42,540
cut and kathlyn shack and shut
up and be normal.

559
00:34:42,960 --> 00:34:45,870
No, I'm saying is the tactic
that he uses in the debate

560
00:34:45,870 --> 00:34:48,840
because it's the debate show is
what it is. I mean, that's sure

561
00:34:48,840 --> 00:34:49,260
what

562
00:34:50,040 --> 00:34:52,350
what are they debating? That's
the problem. It's like don't

563
00:34:52,350 --> 00:34:54,990
debate that get out of here.
This is sports.

564
00:34:55,740 --> 00:34:59,730
Correct. But you know, ESPN went
for woke and now they're

565
00:34:59,730 --> 00:35:03,780
claiming They have to even go
for work, because they fire

566
00:35:03,780 --> 00:35:05,970
several different people over
there. But I just want to show

567
00:35:05,970 --> 00:35:09,900
you why all of a sudden he after
three years they give in to his

568
00:35:09,900 --> 00:35:14,580
request, is it because he rolled
up his sleeve and said, I'll be

569
00:35:14,580 --> 00:35:21,540
your Vax man, huh? With that
says, Let's get into number 10,

570
00:35:21,660 --> 00:35:24,540
I certainly don't believe they
should be forced to do a PSA, I

571
00:35:24,540 --> 00:35:27,840
totally agree with you there.
What I will say, however, is

572
00:35:27,840 --> 00:35:31,020
that the athletes themselves
have put themselves in a

573
00:35:31,020 --> 00:35:34,650
position where people feel they
should be compelled to do such a

574
00:35:34,650 --> 00:35:38,370
thing. But by virtue of the
reach that they have, and how

575
00:35:38,370 --> 00:35:41,190
they float that reach and the
impact that it has, like, for

576
00:35:41,190 --> 00:35:45,060
example, if you want to sit up
down to dress, and I know that

577
00:35:45,060 --> 00:35:47,730
it's apples and oranges and a
lot of people's eyes, but not to

578
00:35:47,730 --> 00:35:51,660
me, when you sit up there, you
want to address racial injustice

579
00:35:51,660 --> 00:35:54,180
issues, and you're talking about
it's not just about myself, it's

580
00:35:54,180 --> 00:35:58,080
about my family, it's about my
community, etc, etc. Well, in a

581
00:35:58,080 --> 00:36:01,260
different in a completely
different kind of way. So is the

582
00:36:01,260 --> 00:36:04,650
coronavirus pandemic, because
the fact of the matter is, is

583
00:36:04,650 --> 00:36:08,940
that we you get ill chances are
you can make someone else ill

584
00:36:09,120 --> 00:36:12,090
chances are is going to be a
member of your family, a loved

585
00:36:12,090 --> 00:36:17,190
one, etc, etc. And that reality
being as pertinent as it is,

586
00:36:17,310 --> 00:36:21,180
does elevate the level of
responsibility. If you say, on

587
00:36:21,180 --> 00:36:24,690
under any circumstances, that
something is not about you, it's

588
00:36:24,690 --> 00:36:27,990
about the impact that you know,
you have the voice that you

589
00:36:27,990 --> 00:36:30,990
know, you have the fact that you
can give a voice to the

590
00:36:30,990 --> 00:36:35,730
voiceless, etc, etc. And that
was impetus enough or motivation

591
00:36:35,730 --> 00:36:39,360
enough for you to take certain
positions and to put yourself on

592
00:36:39,360 --> 00:36:42,780
Front Street, then someone in
the medical profession can

593
00:36:42,780 --> 00:36:47,430
simply come to you and say,
Okay, we've got over 400,000

594
00:36:47,430 --> 00:36:52,740
deaths nationwide, we've got
millions upon millions who have

595
00:36:52,740 --> 00:36:57,360
died from this worldwide, it's
contagious, and is a vaccine

596
00:36:57,360 --> 00:37:02,820
that is proven thus far that it
can help raise that issue. Do

597
00:37:02,820 --> 00:37:06,900
you not feel an obligation to do
that they can ask the question,

598
00:37:07,290 --> 00:37:07,680
man,

599
00:37:07,680 --> 00:37:10,320
the spell is so powerful.

600
00:37:11,340 --> 00:37:15,030
And this was early on this is
before the approval of anything

601
00:37:15,270 --> 00:37:17,010
a vaccine is proven

602
00:37:17,040 --> 00:37:22,920
and he's proven and he's he's
saying that you have to take it

603
00:37:22,920 --> 00:37:27,540
to protect others which is the
opposite of what a vaccine does.

604
00:37:27,720 --> 00:37:31,560
Well, the A never let you know
the truth get in the way of

605
00:37:32,640 --> 00:37:37,500
famous Alex Jones. Hot look.
Because of that it's my nobody

606
00:37:37,500 --> 00:37:41,130
cares about facts. Nobody cares
about truth. You might know

607
00:37:41,130 --> 00:37:46,320
about a guy named Joe Rogan. And
you saw why they did him and

608
00:37:46,500 --> 00:37:49,770
this was like the what what do
you think was the reason for the

609
00:37:49,770 --> 00:37:52,890
show that the media is
completely sold out? all media

610
00:37:52,950 --> 00:37:53,640
was interesting.

611
00:37:54,690 --> 00:37:58,530
But yeah, what's interesting
about Joe You know, I've been on

612
00:37:58,800 --> 00:38:02,190
business Joe's show three times
that just briefly before this,

613
00:38:02,220 --> 00:38:06,780
this last time when he when he
got COVID every single time he

614
00:38:06,780 --> 00:38:10,140
has a nurse on on site, the
minute you come in, you can't

615
00:38:10,140 --> 00:38:12,690
even really walk far into the
door, you have to sit down and

616
00:38:12,690 --> 00:38:15,810
she does the test. And then I
always asked for an antibody

617
00:38:15,810 --> 00:38:18,360
test to see if I might have had
it which you don't have.

618
00:38:19,170 --> 00:38:23,520
Although I'm pretty sure I've T
cell immunity. And knowing Joe

619
00:38:23,520 --> 00:38:29,700
from two years ago, when he was
scouting out locations in in

620
00:38:29,700 --> 00:38:32,940
Austin, and he had his mother in
law. I think his mother in law

621
00:38:32,940 --> 00:38:38,610
may live with them. His wife,
his two daughters, and he was

622
00:38:38,610 --> 00:38:43,380
super cautious, no handshaking
masks. I wouldn't ask him

623
00:38:43,380 --> 00:38:48,180
because he's my friend. But not
not like we're friends. Yeah,

624
00:38:48,180 --> 00:38:50,550
we're just like, it's just none
of my business. And if he wants

625
00:38:50,550 --> 00:38:55,170
to tell me you can tell me I'm
99.99% certainly got vaccinated.

626
00:38:55,680 --> 00:39:00,870
And he also texted me after he
was cured. And he said, Well, I

627
00:39:00,870 --> 00:39:04,140
guess this vaccine is
unnecessary. So the way he said

628
00:39:04,140 --> 00:39:06,780
that to me, man, he definitely
got the vaccine but the

629
00:39:06,780 --> 00:39:10,230
assumption right away and that's
kind of, I wish he would say

630
00:39:10,230 --> 00:39:11,190
something about it.

631
00:39:11,580 --> 00:39:17,190
That's the written No, we a and
I want to say something I ended

632
00:39:17,190 --> 00:39:21,420
last year and I said the white
phone and what I mean by that is

633
00:39:21,420 --> 00:39:24,690
there's a white Boulay phone and
there's a black Boulay phone,

634
00:39:24,720 --> 00:39:27,660
you know, saying like, Joe
knows, I mean, I mean, excuse

635
00:39:27,660 --> 00:39:31,110
me, me. I don't wanna speak for
him. But everybody in the

636
00:39:31,110 --> 00:39:33,570
entertainment industry knows
there's certain things you can

637
00:39:33,570 --> 00:39:38,850
say that your phone will ring.
And sometimes people just don't

638
00:39:38,850 --> 00:39:43,560
want that smoke. I mean, like, I
mean, this. This is what Steven

639
00:39:43,560 --> 00:39:45,840
Naismith This is what LeBron
James is doing to bring it back

640
00:39:45,840 --> 00:39:51,390
to the topic. He He knows the
light of big a large of his

641
00:39:51,390 --> 00:39:57,000
following are Vax hesitant.
Sure, sure. And he's like, if I

642
00:39:57,000 --> 00:40:01,170
take this if I take it, I got
it. Come out on before throwing

643
00:40:01,170 --> 00:40:03,540
it about and that's what Stephen
A Smith is calling on him to do,

644
00:40:03,540 --> 00:40:06,900
right? Usually, that's when the
you the you he's talking about

645
00:40:06,900 --> 00:40:13,200
is the Brian right you know you
put your face on everything you

646
00:40:13,200 --> 00:40:18,630
know you're want to be Taco
Tuesday LeBron. And now as all

647
00:40:18,630 --> 00:40:21,570
of a sudden when is vac Tom,
you're saying you want to owe us

648
00:40:21,570 --> 00:40:26,070
a person decision? No, it
doesn't work like that. Um, and

649
00:40:26,070 --> 00:40:31,440
NASA was happy he sold his soul
A long time ago. Right, but I'm

650
00:40:31,440 --> 00:40:36,060
gonna say this. And this is just
me speculating. But if the Bron

651
00:40:36,060 --> 00:40:43,260
James wanted to talk Michael
Jordan and being the most

652
00:40:43,260 --> 00:40:47,820
prolific basketball player ever,
if he came out said I'm antivax

653
00:40:48,930 --> 00:40:52,920
I'm writing with my people. That
might be a pathway to he can't

654
00:40:52,920 --> 00:40:56,730
do a basketball. Let's just mean
no basketball, but he just can't

655
00:40:56,730 --> 00:41:00,660
accomplish. Michael Jordan, I
take your word for what this

656
00:41:00,660 --> 00:41:04,410
political issue. I'm just saying
as big as this is this is not

657
00:41:04,620 --> 00:41:08,010
China. This is not Colin
Kaepernick. We're talking about

658
00:41:08,040 --> 00:41:12,750
I told you before, LeBron James
could cause a problem in China

659
00:41:12,750 --> 00:41:17,100
just were his words. We talked
about this to 16 where he has

660
00:41:17,190 --> 00:41:22,050
followings. I mean, like he
calls his fans witnesses. I

661
00:41:22,050 --> 00:41:27,390
mean, it's like a demigod level.
And if he comes out and says

662
00:41:27,810 --> 00:41:36,120
night taking it now that might
catapult him over that's my

663
00:41:36,150 --> 00:41:38,550
Ollie not now you're talking
about Ali and you want to

664
00:41:38,550 --> 00:41:41,160
compare yourself to Ali? Yeah,
yeah, you

665
00:41:41,400 --> 00:41:44,700
gotta be gotta be against the
government to for starters.

666
00:41:45,120 --> 00:41:48,510
What that's so that that's what
put him on. I had that thought.

667
00:41:48,570 --> 00:41:52,950
I was like, now that could be
the thing that puts him on par

668
00:41:52,950 --> 00:41:54,390
with Olli outside of

669
00:41:54,720 --> 00:41:59,850
how in this regard, just to test
the theory. How does Nicki Minaj

670
00:41:59,850 --> 00:42:03,480
fit in I'm sure you followed
that, that practice because you

671
00:42:03,480 --> 00:42:06,900
know, now here is someone who I
was and maybe she's still going

672
00:42:06,900 --> 00:42:11,790
to get the Boulay call or got it
now she already backtrack she

673
00:42:11,790 --> 00:42:14,850
already backtrack she's got the
call. She doesn't know how she's

674
00:42:15,600 --> 00:42:18,570
I mean that was that was quite
amazing what she said I mean

675
00:42:18,570 --> 00:42:22,140
first of all, she went anti
elite by saying hey I'm if I'm

676
00:42:22,140 --> 00:42:24,750
going to advance it's not for
that she has now I think she has

677
00:42:24,750 --> 00:42:26,850
tweeted well you know I'm just
gonna research and I'll get

678
00:42:26,850 --> 00:42:29,100
vaccine you know she's saying
when I when I have to do my

679
00:42:29,100 --> 00:42:32,820
tours and everything I'm gonna
go slow is I think what what she

680
00:42:32,820 --> 00:42:38,670
was saying, but I loved how she
got into a big fight with with

681
00:42:38,670 --> 00:42:45,210
joy Reid. Now does this catapult
her into any any sort of super

682
00:42:45,210 --> 00:42:49,440
stratospheric level by being
female hip hop are definitely

683
00:42:49,650 --> 00:42:51,510
not the message we're hearing
from others.

684
00:42:52,590 --> 00:42:56,010
I would say being anti Vax is
soon going to be like, well,

685
00:42:56,010 --> 00:42:56,190
it's

686
00:42:56,190 --> 00:42:57,000
gonna be trendy.

687
00:42:57,450 --> 00:43:01,470
Right? I mean, like, that's the
that's the ante that's the

688
00:43:02,190 --> 00:43:03,660
counterculture. Oh, my

689
00:43:03,660 --> 00:43:08,070
God, we need that ma we need the
trendsetters. We need is.

690
00:43:09,180 --> 00:43:12,270
And you're starting to see I
mean, like I said, with from

691
00:43:12,270 --> 00:43:16,050
abroad is easy. This is an easy
one for LeBron because they

692
00:43:16,050 --> 00:43:20,040
could shoot him with sailing.
And he goes on TV, he doesn't

693
00:43:20,040 --> 00:43:24,120
have to harm his body. But he
understands that his following

694
00:43:24,600 --> 00:43:28,740
is washing and a huge part is
following his race base. And

695
00:43:28,740 --> 00:43:32,790
this conversation is race based.
I mean, um, as far as the

696
00:43:32,790 --> 00:43:37,170
hesitancy for reasons that we've
discussed before we may may, we

697
00:43:37,170 --> 00:43:43,710
may discuss later could come up
but yeah, but let me just get

698
00:43:43,710 --> 00:43:46,440
back to Stephen A Smith and I
want to show you he went from

699
00:43:46,440 --> 00:43:53,430
being the the EU to a full on
attack with Donald lemon on CNN

700
00:43:53,580 --> 00:43:54,630
basketball superstar

701
00:43:54,630 --> 00:43:58,140
LeBron James won't say whether
he has received or will receive

702
00:43:58,140 --> 00:44:01,980
a Coronavirus vaccine. James
outspoken on social issues like

703
00:44:01,980 --> 00:44:05,190
racial justice and voting rights
very outspoken, says his own

704
00:44:05,190 --> 00:44:07,230
vaccination status is not a big
deal.

705
00:44:08,970 --> 00:44:13,320
They did not do all that for as
a predicate to my family, you

706
00:44:13,320 --> 00:44:18,180
know, for the majority for 99.9%
of those so knows about the

707
00:44:18,180 --> 00:44:21,720
health and safety of my family.
And that's what it came down to

708
00:44:22,140 --> 00:44:25,230
me being available to my
teammates on the floors and

709
00:44:25,230 --> 00:44:26,220
taking care of my body.

710
00:44:26,340 --> 00:44:28,920
Do you mind me asking if that if
you're confirming that you did

711
00:44:28,920 --> 00:44:36,000
get the vaccine? It's not it's
no big deal. Thank you. Yeah,

712
00:44:36,000 --> 00:44:39,600
that man, thank you. I love your
outspokenness. Thank you for

713
00:44:39,600 --> 00:44:43,170
doing this. This bothers you.
You said that LeBron can have it

714
00:44:43,170 --> 00:44:45,900
both ways that he either wants
to be out front and center

715
00:44:45,900 --> 00:44:49,620
bringing a voice to issues or he
doesn't tell me why this is so

716
00:44:49,620 --> 00:44:50,280
important to you?

717
00:44:51,149 --> 00:44:53,609
Well, I think that you know,
obviously, you know, you had me

718
00:44:53,609 --> 00:44:57,209
on your show a few months ago
when I decided to take the

719
00:44:57,209 --> 00:45:00,239
vaccine. I had my reservations.
There's a plethora of People

720
00:45:00,239 --> 00:45:03,659
within the African American
community that has had that have

721
00:45:03,659 --> 00:45:07,139
had reservations about taking
the vaccine. But ultimately, you

722
00:45:07,139 --> 00:45:10,019
know, when you go in ICU or what
have you, you see things that

723
00:45:10,019 --> 00:45:12,239
have been so profoundly
detrimental to the African

724
00:45:12,239 --> 00:45:15,509
American community. You take a
stand and you take a position.

725
00:45:15,839 --> 00:45:18,899
I'm not of the position at
LeBron James, normally, under

726
00:45:18,899 --> 00:45:22,859
normal circumstances, should
feel any obligation whatsoever

727
00:45:23,069 --> 00:45:26,639
to divulge whether or not he's
taken the vaccine. But

728
00:45:26,639 --> 00:45:29,339
considering the multitude of
issues that he's been willing to

729
00:45:29,339 --> 00:45:33,419
tackle, considering what
provoked him to do so because of

730
00:45:33,419 --> 00:45:37,109
concerns for his community, his
people, those are his words.

731
00:45:37,109 --> 00:45:39,899
These are the kinds of things
that he has said, time and time

732
00:45:39,899 --> 00:45:43,979
and time again. Then why would
you not speak on the issue of

733
00:45:43,979 --> 00:45:45,479
being vaccinated and not

734
00:45:45,630 --> 00:45:50,400
man, Stephen A Smith as a cruise
missile? You got the bronze

735
00:45:50,400 --> 00:45:52,380
button right on, it's like, here
we go.

736
00:45:52,770 --> 00:45:56,580
That's the that's that's this is
how the Boulay phone works out

737
00:45:56,580 --> 00:45:59,190
in public. It's like we are you
don't want to answer the phone.

738
00:45:59,190 --> 00:46:01,890
Hmm. All right. Okay. You know,
you don't want to answer the

739
00:46:01,890 --> 00:46:04,680
phone. All right. All right,
LeBron. thing that

740
00:46:04,680 --> 00:46:10,200
bothers me and Steven Naismith
did it is this lie that COVID

741
00:46:10,230 --> 00:46:14,400
affects black and brown
communities six times more than

742
00:46:14,400 --> 00:46:17,850
white communities. It's
bullshit. It's not true. Wait,

743
00:46:17,850 --> 00:46:23,820
what? Oh, now? include this in
here. And you can catch it on my

744
00:46:23,820 --> 00:46:26,430
YouTube channel where I
discussed something I heard and

745
00:46:26,430 --> 00:46:31,740
I don't know how true it is. But
supposedly, black people have

746
00:46:31,740 --> 00:46:33,720
more receptors in their nose.

747
00:46:39,870 --> 00:46:44,790
Wait a minute. Is that because
of the size of the nostrils? Or

748
00:46:44,790 --> 00:46:48,690
could it could a Jewish man also
get more because of his nose?

749
00:46:50,280 --> 00:46:52,590
He's actually on the low in the
low.

750
00:46:53,910 --> 00:46:58,980
I gotta understand this. Okay.
All right. Well, I'm gonna look

751
00:46:58,980 --> 00:47:00,390
at the live man. I got to look
at

752
00:47:01,260 --> 00:47:03,840
if people come over to the live

753
00:47:04,080 --> 00:47:07,560
next Wednesday, it's gonna be
great. Yeah,

754
00:47:07,590 --> 00:47:10,380
I'll discuss that in fact, but
this is from this is from a

755
00:47:10,380 --> 00:47:13,260
verify doctor. So um, this is
not something I'm pulling up.

756
00:47:13,260 --> 00:47:18,300
Wow. Okay, well then I may be
wrong. But are we you're right

757
00:47:18,300 --> 00:47:21,180
in a sense they take but hold
your babies in but hold

758
00:47:21,180 --> 00:47:26,220
on a second hold on a sec. Yeah,
I'm just presuming here. That's

759
00:47:26,220 --> 00:47:30,480
because of the size and shape of
the African American nose but

760
00:47:30,480 --> 00:47:34,110
that is certainly not uniform
amongst black and brown people I

761
00:47:34,110 --> 00:47:35,790
mean, there's all kinds of noses

762
00:47:37,080 --> 00:47:40,530
that like I said, they said that
we have power receptors and when

763
00:47:40,530 --> 00:47:44,970
other people have three and I'm
like what what we have welfare

764
00:47:45,420 --> 00:47:48,360
You are so fortunate you finally
have something more than the

765
00:47:48,360 --> 00:47:53,460
white man and extra receptor
enjoy it to two extra receptors.

766
00:47:55,530 --> 00:48:00,360
Okay, look, the way I see it is
the way poor people are affected

767
00:48:00,540 --> 00:48:04,530
six times as much and that's
also why people is poor people.

768
00:48:04,710 --> 00:48:05,160
What they

769
00:48:05,160 --> 00:48:10,260
conflate it to high comorbidity
rate sign Oh yeah, yeah, that

770
00:48:10,590 --> 00:48:13,530
but it sounds much better is
face black people, you know, and

771
00:48:13,530 --> 00:48:16,020
that's the that's the shaming.
That's the sign language the

772
00:48:16,020 --> 00:48:19,620
shame and so it's evil it's evil
and I don't like it I don't like

773
00:48:19,620 --> 00:48:25,560
it. So I'm, I'm when I say this,
I didn't clip this but maybe

774
00:48:25,560 --> 00:48:29,640
later and another show. They've
been putting pressure on LeBron.

775
00:48:29,880 --> 00:48:34,080
They had this w NBA player come
out said he's trafficking kids,

776
00:48:34,080 --> 00:48:37,830
which was said about Epstein.
That made me perk up. I'm like,

777
00:48:37,830 --> 00:48:44,580
Whoa, now. You might have sent
me some clips on this cuz she

778
00:48:44,580 --> 00:48:48,330
came out and said it like it was
I know what it was. It was one

779
00:48:48,330 --> 00:48:51,510
of those things like hey, we can
give anything

780
00:48:51,570 --> 00:48:54,780
anytime anytime we can do
anything to your wherever we

781
00:48:54,780 --> 00:48:55,140
want.

782
00:48:55,740 --> 00:49:00,330
And then they got him pushing a
referee or a fan or something by

783
00:49:00,330 --> 00:49:03,180
these stories never get
reported. Now all of a sudden

784
00:49:03,180 --> 00:49:05,280
they're getting reported and
they're putting the pressure on

785
00:49:05,400 --> 00:49:09,900
the Boulay nudge, yes. And the
final piece of pressure is the

786
00:49:09,930 --> 00:49:13,320
unvaccinated players could miss
home games. It won't

787
00:49:13,320 --> 00:49:17,070
have a big impact if you get
vaccinated if your NBA player in

788
00:49:17,070 --> 00:49:19,590
any of these cities get
vaccinated, you won't have to go

789
00:49:19,590 --> 00:49:22,440
through this uncomfortable
situation. But you know, listen,

790
00:49:22,560 --> 00:49:25,260
the NBA series sending a clear
sign that they're going to use

791
00:49:25,260 --> 00:49:27,780
the local guidelines even if
they have to, to not let

792
00:49:27,780 --> 00:49:30,630
anything interrupt their games.
They don't have the flexibility

793
00:49:30,780 --> 00:49:34,020
that they have last year to
reschedule postpone games, move

794
00:49:34,020 --> 00:49:36,330
things around, release the
schedule the second half of the

795
00:49:36,330 --> 00:49:38,910
schedule later, that's all out
the window if you're trying to

796
00:49:38,910 --> 00:49:42,180
get back to 82 game schedule. So
you know, here they found an

797
00:49:42,180 --> 00:49:45,420
opportunity where they can
basically indirectly try to

798
00:49:45,420 --> 00:49:48,900
promote and also mandate the
vaccine in a way not truly a

799
00:49:48,900 --> 00:49:51,840
mandate but a mandate in a way
and they want to try to utilize

800
00:49:51,840 --> 00:49:54,690
it and also avoids the politics
that you've got to deal with

801
00:49:54,690 --> 00:49:57,330
with the players unions, because
now they can't even say anything

802
00:49:57,330 --> 00:49:59,040
when you're dealing with
government mandates or

803
00:49:59,040 --> 00:50:01,620
government requirements. Because
the government can't be beaten

804
00:50:01,620 --> 00:50:04,260
in this, obviously society, and
the NBA is just taking advantage

805
00:50:04,260 --> 00:50:07,020
of a little loophole. Any of
these players in Brooklyn and

806
00:50:07,020 --> 00:50:10,140
New York, Knicks and in San
Francisco are immune to those

807
00:50:10,140 --> 00:50:10,830
policies. I

808
00:50:10,830 --> 00:50:13,830
got to do it, you got to do it.
And they do too. And guess what,

809
00:50:13,890 --> 00:50:17,010
a lot of these arenas remember,
they're on public grounds. Some

810
00:50:17,010 --> 00:50:18,900
of them are private buildings,
but some of them are public

811
00:50:18,900 --> 00:50:22,080
grounds. So you got to obey by
the public requirements. And

812
00:50:22,080 --> 00:50:24,390
this requirement says you got to
show a vaccination card to get

813
00:50:24,390 --> 00:50:28,350
into watch the game. And also to
get into play. I saw ESPN report

814
00:50:28,350 --> 00:50:30,900
vaccinated and unvaccinated
players wanting to be allowed to

815
00:50:30,900 --> 00:50:34,020
sit next to each other in locker
rooms or on planes, or and they

816
00:50:34,020 --> 00:50:37,170
may have to take separate buses.
I mean, it's not all final yet,

817
00:50:37,170 --> 00:50:39,780
but it seems like players could
have very different experiences

818
00:50:39,780 --> 00:50:40,440
this season.

819
00:50:41,730 --> 00:50:42,540
Man,

820
00:50:43,140 --> 00:50:47,820
so LeBron is running out of
runway here, because he can't

821
00:50:47,820 --> 00:50:50,580
sit out when he goes to
Brooklyn, he can't go sit out

822
00:50:50,580 --> 00:50:54,780
when he goes to Madison Square.
We can't do that. He can't sit

823
00:50:54,780 --> 00:50:57,480
out when he goes to Golden
State. These are marquee games.

824
00:50:57,480 --> 00:51:00,600
these are these are the ones
they sell the ads around, right.

825
00:51:00,630 --> 00:51:01,230
Um,

826
00:51:02,340 --> 00:51:06,000
so I said, Do you think that he
actually has a conscience that

827
00:51:06,030 --> 00:51:09,390
he doesn't want to lie about it?
Because he feels that, you know,

828
00:51:09,510 --> 00:51:12,720
people will mimic him or I mean,

829
00:51:15,480 --> 00:51:20,760
Bron, James, or whoever is
around LeBron James has good.

830
00:51:22,800 --> 00:51:28,470
Timing, timing, on where the
public stands. And when I mean,

831
00:51:28,470 --> 00:51:31,230
the public, the black public,
quote, unquote, black public,

832
00:51:31,230 --> 00:51:35,010
right? And it's like, you can't
jump out this window and be pro

833
00:51:35,010 --> 00:51:38,400
vaccine. Because that's gonna,
like I said, that's going to

834
00:51:38,400 --> 00:51:41,010
split your following. I mean,
we're seeing this split and

835
00:51:41,010 --> 00:51:42,480
people, and it's not

836
00:51:42,870 --> 00:51:46,920
splitting relationships, Mo it's
splitting families. It's very,

837
00:51:46,920 --> 00:51:49,860
very, very sick. Right. And

838
00:51:49,860 --> 00:51:52,560
so what LeBron thought he was
going to be able to deep dive,

839
00:51:52,680 --> 00:51:57,090
dive and say, Hey, you know,
this is a personal, you know,

840
00:51:57,180 --> 00:51:59,490
yeah, this is a guy that comes
out and let everybody know, he

841
00:51:59,490 --> 00:52:02,760
spent $6 million on his body
every year, you know, saying to

842
00:52:02,760 --> 00:52:05,910
get into shape. So from that
standpoint, I just want to say

843
00:52:05,910 --> 00:52:08,490
be genuine. If he if he's
genuine, I understand it. He

844
00:52:08,490 --> 00:52:10,950
wants to put something
experimental into your body that

845
00:52:10,950 --> 00:52:15,990
you've honed, here's the answer
be fine. Fine to machine bright,

846
00:52:16,080 --> 00:52:17,160
just on a surface level.

847
00:52:17,249 --> 00:52:20,429
Exactly. But then what he
doesn't do is what you suggested

848
00:52:20,429 --> 00:52:23,909
is you know, get some say lean
or whatever. And do the Nancy

849
00:52:23,909 --> 00:52:28,829
Pelosi bent needle on that was a
vice president Harris. The Ben

850
00:52:28,829 --> 00:52:32,669
Platt needle plastic cap? Why
wouldn't he do that? Because he

851
00:52:32,669 --> 00:52:34,889
really can't wait. He doesn't
want to be dishonest.

852
00:52:35,370 --> 00:52:40,170
No, he doesn't want to divide
heard. His own herd you mean?

853
00:52:40,230 --> 00:52:44,700
Yes. Because in his herd I mean,
down the split. Yeah, it could

854
00:52:44,700 --> 00:52:47,310
be 3070 6040

855
00:52:47,339 --> 00:52:48,719
what do you what do you think it
is? What

856
00:52:48,720 --> 00:52:51,450
do you think? I would probably
say it's somewhere between

857
00:52:51,450 --> 00:52:59,640
7030 6040 I'm probing low no
high high. I'm just saying I'm

858
00:52:59,640 --> 00:53:02,280
just giving him the benefit of
doubt later. Lot of his

859
00:53:02,280 --> 00:53:07,920
followers a woke what is inside
that? is, you know, is he

860
00:53:07,920 --> 00:53:11,730
doesn't want to divide his herd
period. And it just puts him in

861
00:53:11,730 --> 00:53:15,570
a weird spot. And he's telling
him like, hey, like, this is bad

862
00:53:15,570 --> 00:53:19,080
for the brand, but they're like,
this is bigger than your brain

863
00:53:22,290 --> 00:53:24,000
is way bigger than your brand so

864
00:53:24,090 --> 00:53:28,050
I'm so happy you told me about
this because I had no idea this

865
00:53:28,050 --> 00:53:31,020
was playing I mean little bit,
because it really doesn't seep

866
00:53:31,020 --> 00:53:33,810
through unless you're really
into NBA. I guess you'd be

867
00:53:33,810 --> 00:53:36,090
watching ESPN. Otherwise

868
00:53:36,120 --> 00:53:39,060
not no not and that's why I laid
the clip off that was CBS Los

869
00:53:39,060 --> 00:53:42,120
Angeles a little 24 minutes or
two it's gonna be 24 second clip

870
00:53:42,270 --> 00:53:44,610
right on there. Yeah, you're
right. You're right. You're

871
00:53:44,610 --> 00:53:48,210
right. So it's like why we're
certain was the vaccination

872
00:53:48,210 --> 00:53:53,160
status a big deal when you start
seeing it seep into mainstream

873
00:53:53,160 --> 00:53:58,020
news? Yeah. Now I got my eyes on
it. Yeah, right. And it's like

874
00:53:58,020 --> 00:54:02,190
what How far would they go to
um, are they willing to risk you

875
00:54:02,190 --> 00:54:06,030
know detonate in their on one of
their number one assets? You

876
00:54:06,030 --> 00:54:10,140
know, on the altar of vaccine
How long do you think he has

877
00:54:10,140 --> 00:54:13,020
until he has to say something?
Well, the first game cuz

878
00:54:13,020 --> 00:54:15,840
whenever you're first getting
the first game with a mandate

879
00:54:15,900 --> 00:54:20,100
and it's like, yeah, that point
now he might go there and like

880
00:54:20,130 --> 00:54:22,410
just let it blowing up but
they're not gonna let it even

881
00:54:22,410 --> 00:54:25,260
when he does show up for the
game and he is vaccinated gonna

882
00:54:25,260 --> 00:54:27,660
make a big deal out of it. They
got to Yeah, he's not

883
00:54:27,660 --> 00:54:29,130
vaccinated, but he won't play

884
00:54:29,160 --> 00:54:33,090
so which game which game was out
do we have our eyes on? I'm

885
00:54:33,090 --> 00:54:33,300
gonna

886
00:54:33,300 --> 00:54:36,540
get the schedule. And I'll be
letting you know on whichever

887
00:54:36,540 --> 00:54:39,390
one shows up in New York first
or in the San Francisco next

888
00:54:39,390 --> 00:54:39,990
Golden State.

889
00:54:40,020 --> 00:54:42,390
Now how do I how do I how do I
how do I play the spread on

890
00:54:42,390 --> 00:54:50,400
facts not Vax. Said he doesn't
have a sheet about sports or

891
00:54:50,400 --> 00:54:51,180
sports betting.

892
00:54:51,540 --> 00:54:56,190
You don't need to know about
sports, sports. I'll tell you

893
00:54:56,190 --> 00:55:00,840
that. It's all about us. Yeah,
um, so That's the first block.

894
00:55:00,870 --> 00:55:04,020
All right, I like that. Very
good. Alright, so the second

895
00:55:04,020 --> 00:55:07,050
block was pertinent to the first
block and let's go and get into

896
00:55:07,050 --> 00:55:11,670
the IC O. Henrietta Lacks black
woman that got eaten alive by

897
00:55:11,670 --> 00:55:13,680
cancer in one week. Oh, yeah,

898
00:55:13,680 --> 00:55:16,050
I heard about this story. Tina
was telling me this. She just

899
00:55:16,050 --> 00:55:17,010
told me that today.

900
00:55:18,510 --> 00:55:24,090
Awesome. Oh, awesome. Awesome.
Yeah, not because that mean is I

901
00:55:24,090 --> 00:55:27,330
mean, I mean that by the literal
definition of the word because

902
00:55:27,360 --> 00:55:31,770
they've had her under wraps.
They'll talk about now this

903
00:55:31,770 --> 00:55:34,350
answers your question. Why did
they talk about Tuskegee?

904
00:55:35,130 --> 00:55:39,120
Tuskegee is men. Yeah, well,
they killed some men with

905
00:55:39,120 --> 00:55:43,110
syphilis. Ah, they, you know,
whatever, whatever. gangbangers

906
00:55:43,110 --> 00:55:47,940
whatever. Right. But if you say
Henrietta Lacks, and the story

907
00:55:47,940 --> 00:55:53,250
behind her a black woman being
used a spirit man and own or

908
00:55:53,250 --> 00:55:58,620
whatever the narrative is, that
hits a whole different way

909
00:55:58,620 --> 00:56:01,890
across the my body, my choice,
yeah, across a lot of these

910
00:56:01,890 --> 00:56:05,940
narratives. And they've tried to
keep it under wraps. And what

911
00:56:05,940 --> 00:56:08,940
we're going to do is get into
her story, and I think a good

912
00:56:09,090 --> 00:56:12,930
place to start is the official
trailer from HBO about her or

913
00:56:12,930 --> 00:56:14,040
more immortal life.

914
00:56:15,750 --> 00:56:20,580
For years, it seemed like a
dream bout our mother. Could

915
00:56:20,580 --> 00:56:28,500
this be true? But you don't
understand this. We didn't know

916
00:56:28,500 --> 00:56:29,760
nothing but nothing.

917
00:56:31,980 --> 00:56:34,500
Scientists have been trying to
get cells to grow outside of the

918
00:56:34,500 --> 00:56:38,430
human body, but they would
always die. Until Henrietta's

919
00:56:38,430 --> 00:56:44,310
cells came along. I want to
write a book about your mother.

920
00:56:45,210 --> 00:56:56,610
Go healer go healer that's my
mother. At this everyone's

921
00:56:56,610 --> 00:57:01,230
saying Henrietta Lacks donated
themselves. She did donate

922
00:57:01,260 --> 00:57:07,020
nothing. They took them and
didn't ask. Hospital is guilty

923
00:57:07,080 --> 00:57:12,630
as somebody is going to pay a
disease to provide one for

924
00:57:12,630 --> 00:57:22,590
himself. I'm not doing anything
behind your back. Henry added

925
00:57:22,590 --> 00:57:36,930
help develop the AIDS cocktail
therapy treatments. It's hard

926
00:57:36,930 --> 00:57:39,540
not to get caught up in hope
when you've been powerless for

927
00:57:39,540 --> 00:57:53,700
so long. You will pardon me?
Okay, I've looked. In the

928
00:57:53,700 --> 00:57:55,170
meantime. Yeah.

929
00:57:57,900 --> 00:58:01,290
Excuse me. So this is the healer
sales. And I don't know if you

930
00:58:01,290 --> 00:58:05,490
know much about it. But they
they neighbor, her is the mother

931
00:58:05,490 --> 00:58:10,080
of modern modern medicine.
Because her sales, not only do

932
00:58:10,080 --> 00:58:14,640
they grow outside of the body,
they were they replicate every

933
00:58:14,640 --> 00:58:17,130
24 hours. So this open, right?

934
00:58:17,970 --> 00:58:21,150
They're used in medical research
today. I guess they're ongoing

935
00:58:21,150 --> 00:58:24,870
because they they they can keep
making new new cells.

936
00:58:25,470 --> 00:58:33,480
Eight, I mean, as HIV cancer,
even the COVID-19 vaccine is

937
00:58:33,480 --> 00:58:35,910
part of healing. And it's like,
why are you not celebrating this

938
00:58:35,910 --> 00:58:40,080
woman? Because if you talk about
her story, you had to talk about

939
00:58:40,080 --> 00:58:43,320
how she was robbed of her sales.
This is why they want to talk

940
00:58:43,320 --> 00:58:47,760
about Tuskegee instead of
Henrietta Lacks.

941
00:58:48,570 --> 00:58:52,770
Oh, of course, and otherwise,
how would I've ever heard about

942
00:58:52,770 --> 00:58:57,630
her? Well, gotta have the mo
faxes. Let me know what's going

943
00:58:57,630 --> 00:58:57,870
on.

944
00:58:58,439 --> 00:59:00,239
Alright, let's go and get into
number 15.

945
00:59:00,330 --> 00:59:04,830
I gotta say about that is
hallelujah. Finally somebody

946
00:59:04,830 --> 00:59:06,240
want to talk about my mama?

947
00:59:06,810 --> 00:59:10,410
Oprah Winfrey plays the daughter
of Henrietta Lacks the woman who

948
00:59:10,410 --> 00:59:15,090
transformed modern medicine and
had no idea. To this day many

949
00:59:15,090 --> 00:59:16,650
have never heard her name.

950
00:59:16,830 --> 00:59:19,140
I started asking people to you
know, have you ever heard of

951
00:59:19,800 --> 00:59:21,300
her? No one had so

952
00:59:21,330 --> 00:59:24,150
something Winfrey is now
determined to change

953
00:59:24,450 --> 00:59:27,270
the significance of what her
cells have bent. I think the

954
00:59:27,270 --> 00:59:29,340
world needs to know that and now
they will.

955
00:59:29,760 --> 00:59:33,270
lax was a young mother of five
who died of cervical cancer in

956
00:59:33,270 --> 00:59:37,830
1951 at Johns Hopkins, where
doctors found her unique and

957
00:59:37,830 --> 00:59:41,310
aggressive cancer cells were the
first to grow in a lab.

958
00:59:41,790 --> 00:59:45,390
Henrietta never gave doctors
permission to use her cells and

959
00:59:45,390 --> 00:59:47,490
her family was never told.

960
00:59:47,519 --> 00:59:49,379
We didn't know nothing bad
nothing,

961
00:59:49,560 --> 00:59:53,550
like nothing they'd seen before.
Those cells shortened to healer

962
00:59:53,550 --> 00:59:57,120
instead of Henrietta's full name
were used to test the polio

963
00:59:57,120 --> 01:00:00,810
vaccine develop in vitro
fertilization. drugs used to

964
01:00:00,810 --> 01:00:04,680
fight cancer just to name a few.
Her daughter Deborah and author

965
01:00:04,680 --> 01:00:08,190
Rebecca Skloot, finally
uncovered the truth. But Deborah

966
01:00:08,190 --> 01:00:12,270
died just before Sloot's book
was published, I refuse

967
01:00:12,270 --> 01:00:18,390
to cry. But I could. When I
think about Deborah, how eager

968
01:00:18,390 --> 01:00:22,470
she was to know about her mother
and to have this story told

969
01:00:22,650 --> 01:00:22,950
about

970
01:00:22,980 --> 01:00:25,710
Henrietta's cells were
reproduced in labs around the

971
01:00:25,710 --> 01:00:28,560
world and millions of dollars
changed hands.

972
01:00:29,070 --> 01:00:32,730
Becca showed me the papers where
he wanted to use her name, but

973
01:00:32,730 --> 01:00:33,300
the lawyers

974
01:00:34,290 --> 01:00:36,150
made all that money off of

975
01:00:37,500 --> 01:00:38,670
me that died.

976
01:00:39,120 --> 01:00:47,940
Oh, okay. I just wow. Head
exploding. You know, in the 80s,

977
01:00:48,030 --> 01:00:52,080
I was involved in so much aids
charity raising. That's how I

978
01:00:52,080 --> 01:00:55,170
know Fauci that a whole he was
always around all the big

979
01:00:55,170 --> 01:01:00,300
parties hanging out. I have my
own thoughts. We've discussed

980
01:01:00,300 --> 01:01:02,550
them privately think publicly
that I think we would really

981
01:01:02,550 --> 01:01:07,200
aact that was the biggest
problem a Fauci invention, very

982
01:01:07,200 --> 01:01:11,040
much like, like remdesivir. So
anyway, in all those years,

983
01:01:11,130 --> 01:01:17,640
knowing, having read many books,
never heard of Henrietta Lacks.

984
01:01:18,180 --> 01:01:21,210
And you haven't heard her name
brought up with COVID yet? Why

985
01:01:21,210 --> 01:01:27,180
is that? This should be a
selling point. The black lady

986
01:01:27,180 --> 01:01:29,760
that saved the world with
business and her sales that was

987
01:01:29,760 --> 01:01:32,370
able to make this vaccine, that
would be the selling point, but

988
01:01:32,370 --> 01:01:38,580
you know what, then we got to
talk about her. And they stole

989
01:01:38,580 --> 01:01:42,450
her sales, posh. She was
experiment on basically, and

990
01:01:42,450 --> 01:01:45,510
then it's more create more
distress, which this is why they

991
01:01:45,510 --> 01:01:46,440
can't use her and

992
01:01:46,590 --> 01:01:50,190
this is the story I wanted. This
is the new tusky story.

993
01:01:50,370 --> 01:01:56,460
This is the teskey times 100.
You wish you wait until we go

994
01:01:56,460 --> 01:01:57,060
all the way down.

995
01:01:57,930 --> 01:02:02,190
Now I see an article in the
Hindustan Times.

996
01:02:03,330 --> 01:02:05,220
Of course, hello, India.

997
01:02:05,970 --> 01:02:08,730
Yeah, Henrietta Lacks cells were
used to carry out research for

998
01:02:08,730 --> 01:02:11,880
the first polio vaccine first in
vitro fertilization for cancer

999
01:02:11,880 --> 01:02:17,610
most recently for studying the
effects of SARS. cov replication

1000
01:02:17,640 --> 01:02:23,520
in the human body right in the
US, the top hit it Hindustan

1001
01:02:23,520 --> 01:02:26,130
Times way to go American media
day.

1002
01:02:27,570 --> 01:02:31,890
This by when I when we see stuff
that's missing, that speaks

1003
01:02:31,890 --> 01:02:35,370
louder than the things that are
there, because it's like, why is

1004
01:02:35,370 --> 01:02:41,130
this big? I mean, this if they
didn't take the sales in the way

1005
01:02:41,130 --> 01:02:45,150
they did, she would be
celebrated as like I said, as

1006
01:02:45,360 --> 01:02:48,780
black girl magic. This is the
male this, this is the black

1007
01:02:48,780 --> 01:02:52,680
lady to save the world. But they
can't do it, because then it

1008
01:02:52,680 --> 01:02:56,760
brings up more questions about
experimentation on black people.

1009
01:02:57,030 --> 01:02:59,790
And it's fascinating that
they've suppressed this, and I'm

1010
01:02:59,790 --> 01:03:03,030
looking at the timeline. This
this official trailer was

1011
01:03:03,030 --> 01:03:07,920
created in 2017. Is it like did
they create over to spin this

1012
01:03:07,920 --> 01:03:10,620
because you heard her saying the
clip? Oh, Johns Hopkins didn't

1013
01:03:10,620 --> 01:03:13,380
do that. Yeah. Yeah.

1014
01:03:14,730 --> 01:03:18,390
That's insane. Then this was
from Wendy, this was from

1015
01:03:18,990 --> 01:03:24,120
this 17 that when it happened,
it happened in it? No, no.

1016
01:03:24,300 --> 01:03:28,020
The Oprah the Oprah thing.
That's 2007 2017. Okay. Yeah.

1017
01:03:28,020 --> 01:03:28,170
And

1018
01:03:28,170 --> 01:03:31,080
what Hopkins? I mean, now you
can feel me because you're,

1019
01:03:31,080 --> 01:03:35,370
you're, you've been on top of
the whole COVID thing. The 201

1020
01:03:35,400 --> 01:03:39,120
thing out of Hopkin event. 201.
Yeah, right. So that planning,

1021
01:03:39,120 --> 01:03:41,340
is this part of it. Oh, well, I

1022
01:03:41,340 --> 01:03:44,880
was certainly certainly around
the time they were planning it.

1023
01:03:44,910 --> 01:03:52,770
I mean, right. He seraiah
definitely gets like, like, pump

1024
01:03:52,770 --> 01:03:55,140
the brakes a bit more. I mean,
it's like my head spinning.

1025
01:03:55,140 --> 01:03:56,760
Here's something I've never
heard of.

1026
01:03:57,270 --> 01:03:59,730
Well, let's listen to 16 that
your hands start spinning in.

1027
01:04:02,010 --> 01:04:06,540
Johns Hopkins says it did not
profit. The family got nothing.

1028
01:04:06,810 --> 01:04:10,500
But for the next generation.
There is a new mission now. You

1029
01:04:10,500 --> 01:04:10,680
can't

1030
01:04:10,680 --> 01:04:13,380
help but be proud of what is
done. So when you think about

1031
01:04:13,380 --> 01:04:15,630
that, like okay, something may
have happened but something so

1032
01:04:15,630 --> 01:04:17,100
much good has come from it.

1033
01:04:17,459 --> 01:04:20,939
David lakhs now sits on a board
at the National Institutes of

1034
01:04:20,939 --> 01:04:24,809
Health helping to decide just
what Henrietta's gene sequence

1035
01:04:24,809 --> 01:04:25,649
is used for.

1036
01:04:26,129 --> 01:04:29,579
I think we ought to think of a
lacs family as some of the

1037
01:04:29,579 --> 01:04:33,719
greatest philanthropists in
medicine of all time.

1038
01:04:33,990 --> 01:04:38,640
They speak around the country,
urging doctors to never forget

1039
01:04:38,640 --> 01:04:41,160
the patient behind the petri
dish.

1040
01:04:41,220 --> 01:04:48,630
She was a woman. She was black,
with limited education, limited

1041
01:04:48,630 --> 01:04:51,180
finances and look what she has
done for the world.

1042
01:04:52,800 --> 01:04:56,070
Rebecca Skloot has set up a
foundation for the laxus and

1043
01:04:56,100 --> 01:04:59,370
others who have contributed to
science without their consent.

1044
01:04:59,820 --> 01:05:00,630
If Want to take in

1045
01:05:00,630 --> 01:05:03,720
just a few minutes to listen to
her and ask her to answer our

1046
01:05:03,720 --> 01:05:06,270
questions. It will change the
whole story for her for her

1047
01:05:06,270 --> 01:05:06,810
family,

1048
01:05:07,140 --> 01:05:10,020
a family now taking back its
history.

1049
01:05:10,380 --> 01:05:15,720
I think what we're trying to say
is that her life really

1050
01:05:15,870 --> 01:05:16,830
mattered.

1051
01:05:18,060 --> 01:05:23,520
A legacy just like Henrietta's
cells living on Kristen

1052
01:05:23,520 --> 01:05:25,890
Dahlgren, NBC News, Los Angeles,

1053
01:05:26,100 --> 01:05:28,080
again, all 2017 I guess.

1054
01:05:28,530 --> 01:05:31,260
Yes. And this is this is the
Crump effect right? When when

1055
01:05:31,260 --> 01:05:37,140
you see these people tragic who
tragically killed, um, they

1056
01:05:37,140 --> 01:05:40,800
bring in you know, the crop and
I think crop is maybe involved

1057
01:05:40,800 --> 01:05:43,440
in this family. You might
congratulate me on the flower

1058
01:05:43,440 --> 01:05:47,820
but um, this is the fact right
you bring it in, make the family

1059
01:05:47,820 --> 01:05:51,840
you know, well, we forgive john
hopkins and in the movie, you

1060
01:05:51,840 --> 01:05:54,540
say they didn't during Johns
Hopkins let me correct that.

1061
01:05:55,140 --> 01:05:58,470
They didn't do anything really.
They didn't know. They didn't

1062
01:05:58,470 --> 01:06:01,890
profit from it. It's that that
word profit, yeah, chronic

1063
01:06:01,890 --> 01:06:03,300
Rumson, Crumpton.

1064
01:06:07,230 --> 01:06:07,980
Now that

1065
01:06:09,210 --> 01:06:13,380
is the Crump effect. This
tragedy happens. He comes in

1066
01:06:13,380 --> 01:06:14,400
smooth waters,

1067
01:06:14,430 --> 01:06:19,200
and this is an article or an
article from July 31 2021.

1068
01:06:19,650 --> 01:06:23,880
Now the bags wasn't big enough.
They said millions and when they

1069
01:06:23,880 --> 01:06:27,000
say, No, you can't be one of the
biggest finance, academics and

1070
01:06:27,330 --> 01:06:30,660
philanthropists yet. Thank you,
sir. Got a lot of real estate.

1071
01:06:30,690 --> 01:06:31,650
These lips moving around, but

1072
01:06:33,000 --> 01:06:35,550
I wouldn't know mo I've never
seen you. Yeah.

1073
01:06:39,930 --> 01:06:44,820
But yeah, so I'm sure he's like
millions. You know, crops. Ears

1074
01:06:44,820 --> 01:06:50,340
probably perked up. We're
talking billions here. And so

1075
01:06:50,460 --> 01:06:53,430
the bag wasn't big enough. So
the family's probably coming out

1076
01:06:53,430 --> 01:06:57,840
the john hopkins. So Wow. It
gets deeper.

1077
01:06:58,920 --> 01:07:01,950
But wait, there's much more.
There's there's much

1078
01:07:01,950 --> 01:07:06,060
more. So we have this is from
john hopkins, Johns Hopkins

1079
01:07:06,060 --> 01:07:12,000
Medicine YouTube page and this
is Henrietta Lacks her impact

1080
01:07:12,000 --> 01:07:12,960
and outreach.

1081
01:07:15,720 --> 01:07:18,810
At the center of the Henrietta
Lacks story, are people asking

1082
01:07:18,810 --> 01:07:23,220
questions for people trying to
understand the biology of human

1083
01:07:23,220 --> 01:07:28,470
cells. It's it's there for
bioethicists for patients. This

1084
01:07:28,470 --> 01:07:31,380
is why Johns Hopkins is
committed to outreach and

1085
01:07:31,380 --> 01:07:34,170
education for all the community.
It's a

1086
01:07:34,170 --> 01:07:37,560
labor of love. We all feel like
we're connected to this

1087
01:07:37,560 --> 01:07:42,720
beautiful woman who we call the
mother of medicine. It really

1088
01:07:42,720 --> 01:07:46,650
makes you think about how
powerful and impact one person

1089
01:07:47,220 --> 01:07:48,630
unknowingly could make.

1090
01:07:49,020 --> 01:07:50,190
I would say that

1091
01:07:50,190 --> 01:07:55,140
Henrietta is probably the, if
not the most important,

1092
01:07:55,140 --> 01:07:58,590
certainly one of the most
important women in science and

1093
01:07:58,590 --> 01:08:03,840
medicine. And we all learn and
follow Henrietta Lacks legacy,

1094
01:08:04,140 --> 01:08:07,590
as we contribute to research and
medicine.

1095
01:08:09,150 --> 01:08:12,930
Henrietta Lacks was a 31 year
old woman, it headed to Johns

1096
01:08:12,930 --> 01:08:18,420
Hopkins in 1951 for the
diagnosis and treatment of

1097
01:08:18,420 --> 01:08:23,520
cervical cancer. Unfortunately,
she had a very aggressive cancer

1098
01:08:23,520 --> 01:08:27,960
and within a year, she had died.
As part of the care she received

1099
01:08:27,960 --> 01:08:32,640
to Johns Hopkins. The cells from
her share legs were brought into

1100
01:08:32,640 --> 01:08:38,040
a laboratory and cultured and it
become the first human living

1101
01:08:38,040 --> 01:08:43,230
cell line, which has allowed us
to learn remarkable things about

1102
01:08:43,230 --> 01:08:44,880
how human cells function.

1103
01:08:46,200 --> 01:08:49,770
Yeah, when this whole when this
Crump thing propped up I think

1104
01:08:49,770 --> 01:08:52,410
this is when they started
posting these videos on their

1105
01:08:52,410 --> 01:08:53,700
website and on YouTube.

1106
01:08:55,350 --> 01:08:57,930
And care it's like what kind of
care Did you give me you do

1107
01:08:57,930 --> 01:09:01,200
staler sales or culture this
that's what they want to say all

1108
01:09:01,200 --> 01:09:05,580
they cultured her sales, but
they're still her body. I mean,

1109
01:09:05,580 --> 01:09:09,540
my chicken never rest in peace.
I mean, I mean, if you want to

1110
01:09:09,540 --> 01:09:10,500
think about it that way.

1111
01:09:11,460 --> 01:09:17,280
It's it's, although not exactly
the same. It's like you can't

1112
01:09:17,280 --> 01:09:21,540
just be printing up t shirts
with Elvis on it. Correct. It's

1113
01:09:21,540 --> 01:09:25,320
not exactly the same, but I
think it's even more egregious.

1114
01:09:25,710 --> 01:09:25,890
But

1115
01:09:26,910 --> 01:09:28,470
I don't know if there's any
likeness.

1116
01:09:28,500 --> 01:09:30,900
I mean, I just don't know if
there's any law. I know what the

1117
01:09:30,900 --> 01:09:34,290
law the law is about that. This
should be for sure. Screw that.

1118
01:09:35,700 --> 01:09:39,300
And what what idiots what Ed? is
john hopkins You mean like his

1119
01:09:39,300 --> 01:09:41,190
check. Quiet.

1120
01:09:41,670 --> 01:09:46,140
They think they tried. A million
when you

1121
01:09:46,140 --> 01:09:48,750
get when you get Crump on the
scene. Yes. Right. The bag

1122
01:09:48,750 --> 01:09:49,620
expands.

1123
01:09:50,100 --> 01:09:54,540
The bag has to be much bigger.
The family was playing along in

1124
01:09:54,540 --> 01:10:01,890
2017. Right with the movie. Now,
not home. Mine was part of COVID

1125
01:10:01,920 --> 01:10:02,400
COVID

1126
01:10:02,400 --> 01:10:04,800
vaccine? Well, no, I think it's
different. This is a wait a

1127
01:10:04,800 --> 01:10:07,230
minute Look at this guy who did
what he did for George Floyd's

1128
01:10:07,230 --> 01:10:08,910
family. You know,

1129
01:10:09,750 --> 01:10:12,300
they understand about the money
like in the news. This is a

1130
01:10:12,300 --> 01:10:15,210
billion dollar and Yeah, of
course. Yeah. And they're like,

1131
01:10:15,240 --> 01:10:17,790
What? Wait, wait, wait, wait,
and y'all gave us know, whatever

1132
01:10:17,790 --> 01:10:19,950
the amount was filling in the
blank. I don't know what it was,

1133
01:10:20,280 --> 01:10:23,160
or you know, or positions or
praise or no

1134
01:10:23,190 --> 01:10:26,610
rights as board advisory board
position. I think I heard Yeah.

1135
01:10:26,850 --> 01:10:31,560
Yeah. So it's like, of course,
when you use the crop, that's

1136
01:10:31,560 --> 01:10:34,530
one thing about Chrome is about
the money. I mean, he's coming

1137
01:10:34,530 --> 01:10:38,160
for them for the moolah. So
that's another thing that we

1138
01:10:38,160 --> 01:10:40,380
that's why I said that. I can
never do a full show or any of

1139
01:10:40,380 --> 01:10:43,260
these because the stories are
finished, but these are kind of

1140
01:10:43,920 --> 01:10:47,610
things that we need to keep an
eye on. Yeah. of will they use

1141
01:10:47,610 --> 01:10:51,930
her as a topic or not? So same
thing with the bronze situation.

1142
01:10:52,200 --> 01:10:54,150
So now we have Rebecca sleuth,

1143
01:10:54,780 --> 01:10:59,430
skuse. I think it's Skloot,
Skloot, glutes,

1144
01:11:00,120 --> 01:11:03,630
which this is, this is the
market three map their mocker

1145
01:11:03,630 --> 01:11:06,960
see now and their moral life.

1146
01:11:07,560 --> 01:11:11,790
As we continue our conversation
with Rebecca Skloot, the author

1147
01:11:11,790 --> 01:11:15,660
of the best selling book, The
Immortal Life of Henrietta

1148
01:11:15,660 --> 01:11:20,130
Lacks. We're doing the story
today, because this week, Johns

1149
01:11:20,130 --> 01:11:25,290
Hopkins University in Baltimore,
Maryland, has just named a

1150
01:11:25,380 --> 01:11:31,260
building after Henrietta Lacks.
She, they were there with the

1151
01:11:31,260 --> 01:11:34,770
lacs family members of the lacs
family and today we're going to

1152
01:11:34,770 --> 01:11:37,710
talk about a woman who you may
have never heard of, or maybe

1153
01:11:37,710 --> 01:11:40,710
you just heard about her name,
because this book has been on

1154
01:11:40,710 --> 01:11:43,830
the bestseller list for so many
years, the Immortal Life of

1155
01:11:43,830 --> 01:11:47,640
Henrietta Lacks. Rebecca, it's
great to have you stay with us.

1156
01:11:47,790 --> 01:11:50,910
Can you talk about how you
discovered the story?

1157
01:11:50,940 --> 01:11:54,360
Yeah. I learned about the cells
when I was 16, and a basic

1158
01:11:54,360 --> 01:11:58,380
biology class. Most people do my
teacher, you know, he talked

1159
01:11:58,380 --> 01:12:00,750
about the healer cells and all
the amazing things they've done

1160
01:12:00,750 --> 01:12:03,420
for science. And then he
happened to know her name. Most

1161
01:12:03,420 --> 01:12:06,510
people actually, at that point
in time, knew her as Helen lane,

1162
01:12:06,510 --> 01:12:08,820
which was a fake name,
basically, that was put out,

1163
01:12:09,450 --> 01:12:11,790
connected to the cells. And he
wrote Henrietta Lacks on the

1164
01:12:11,790 --> 01:12:14,610
board in big letters, and just
said she was a black woman. And

1165
01:12:14,610 --> 01:12:16,980
that was it. And I went up to
him after class, and I was like,

1166
01:12:16,980 --> 01:12:19,440
what else do we know about her?
And it's God, kids. And what do

1167
01:12:19,440 --> 01:12:21,900
they think about all this? And
he just said, Sorry, no one

1168
01:12:21,900 --> 01:12:24,870
knows anything. And I just
became obsessed with this

1169
01:12:24,870 --> 01:12:27,570
question of who this woman was
and what we can do. What

1170
01:12:27,570 --> 01:12:31,470
happened. And why we didn't know
it seemed so you were in high

1171
01:12:31,470 --> 01:12:32,760
school. inconceivable to me.

1172
01:12:33,360 --> 01:12:35,280
Interesting. There was an alias
out there.

1173
01:12:35,820 --> 01:12:38,070
Yeah, maybe big knockoffs.

1174
01:12:42,090 --> 01:12:49,830
Instead of Chanel was his
channel. Yeah, exactly. Like it

1175
01:12:49,830 --> 01:12:51,270
sells on Canal Street.

1176
01:12:53,010 --> 01:12:56,880
That's so disgusting. Like they
knew that you don't know. Like

1177
01:12:56,880 --> 01:12:57,900
you did anything wrong.

1178
01:12:58,800 --> 01:13:02,550
Name. Oh, my goodness. This is
this is a this is a scandal.

1179
01:13:03,090 --> 01:13:06,180
And another point is we're
coming out right on the 70 year

1180
01:13:06,180 --> 01:13:09,240
anniversary. I'm sure Crump
looking at it as well. Like,

1181
01:13:09,240 --> 01:13:14,700
hey, say her name, say her name.
Say or say your name. Relax. I'm

1182
01:13:14,700 --> 01:13:16,590
sure you're gonna want to do
something different here.

1183
01:13:16,620 --> 01:13:21,270
Henrietta Lacks building. You
don't want me to hang out there.

1184
01:13:21,750 --> 01:13:24,840
Yeah. And and as people join us,
they're noisy.

1185
01:13:25,410 --> 01:13:31,440
Yeah. So I mean that this is a
very volatile situation for how

1186
01:13:31,440 --> 01:13:36,120
they play this because this only
Stokes the fire if Crump. Crump

1187
01:13:36,240 --> 01:13:39,060
knows where he has him. Because
he's like, you're trying to

1188
01:13:39,060 --> 01:13:43,320
convince black people. Tuskegee
is kind of blowing over. And

1189
01:13:43,320 --> 01:13:47,880
then this story blows up on a
7070 year anniversary, how you

1190
01:13:47,880 --> 01:13:51,900
basically stole this woman and
it's a woman and it's a woman

1191
01:13:52,050 --> 01:13:53,310
and a black woman.

1192
01:13:55,080 --> 01:14:00,120
Oh, this is so good. Moe. Wow.
Thanks, man. I love you for this

1193
01:14:00,120 --> 01:14:05,040
is great. I'm glad I'm glad.
Yeah, this is excellent. These

1194
01:14:05,040 --> 01:14:06,330
people are so evil.

1195
01:14:07,140 --> 01:14:07,920
19

1196
01:14:08,550 --> 01:14:12,450
talk about the history of
medical experimentation in the

1197
01:14:12,450 --> 01:14:16,230
black community, for example,
and you had to do a lot of work

1198
01:14:16,230 --> 01:14:19,710
and research for your remarkable
book The Immortal Life of

1199
01:14:19,710 --> 01:14:23,040
Henrietta Lacks, for example,
the text of the Tuskegee

1200
01:14:23,040 --> 01:14:23,760
experiment.

1201
01:14:25,230 --> 01:14:28,740
Yeah, there's there's a long
history of black people being

1202
01:14:28,740 --> 01:14:32,520
used in research without their
consent in this country. And one

1203
01:14:32,520 --> 01:14:35,250
of the most famous examples of
that is the Tuskegee syphilis

1204
01:14:35,280 --> 01:14:39,300
studies. Though it had been
happening in the slavery era,

1205
01:14:39,720 --> 01:14:43,230
you know, and beyond. And the
Tuskegee studies were sort of

1206
01:14:43,230 --> 01:14:45,180
one of the most unethical
things. I think that's probably

1207
01:14:45,180 --> 01:14:48,420
happened in science, the United
States, the hundreds of black

1208
01:14:48,420 --> 01:14:52,740
men were essentially studied.
They had syphilis, and they were

1209
01:14:52,740 --> 01:14:55,290
studying to watch how syphilis
killed you from infection to

1210
01:14:55,290 --> 01:14:58,080
death, and they weren't offered
treatment even when treatment

1211
01:14:58,080 --> 01:15:00,780
was available. So at a certain
point, you could have cured this

1212
01:15:00,780 --> 01:15:03,720
with antibiotics. And they
weren't given the option and

1213
01:15:03,720 --> 01:15:08,040
didn't know that they were part
of this experiment. And so it

1214
01:15:08,040 --> 01:15:11,760
wasn't, it was at the end of
that. There was actually a lot

1215
01:15:11,760 --> 01:15:15,090
of press surrounding that. And
it did a tremendous amount of

1216
01:15:15,090 --> 01:15:19,290
damage to trust within sort of,
you know, black communities when

1217
01:15:19,290 --> 01:15:23,310
it comes to science and medical
getting medical care. So that's

1218
01:15:23,310 --> 01:15:26,610
just one in a long line of sort
of stories in history and

1219
01:15:26,610 --> 01:15:30,660
Henrietta's story, you know, has
been that within certain areas

1220
01:15:30,660 --> 01:15:33,000
where people know about her like
in East Baltimore, around

1221
01:15:33,000 --> 01:15:36,750
Hopkins, it's sort of been oral
history, Pastor black

1222
01:15:36,750 --> 01:15:39,690
communities as part of why it's
hard to trust science.

1223
01:15:40,800 --> 01:15:45,120
Oh, nice little tag, they're
hard to trust science.

1224
01:15:45,330 --> 01:15:51,450
Aha. And as she says, Baltimore,
aka the black butterflies, what

1225
01:15:51,450 --> 01:15:55,620
it's called, because they have
this slim section of white

1226
01:15:55,950 --> 01:16:00,000
neighborhoods. And then outside
of it is blackness on sand on

1227
01:16:00,000 --> 01:16:06,990
both sides of Baltimore. So this
was kind of known in the area

1228
01:16:06,990 --> 01:16:11,700
locally by Ed Hopkins. Yeah,
they experiment on you. Wow.

1229
01:16:11,700 --> 01:16:14,730
It's the same thing with Grady
down in Atlanta. Right. shady

1230
01:16:14,730 --> 01:16:20,370
Grady? Yeah. Which he had a very
suspect past. It's like, all of

1231
01:16:20,370 --> 01:16:25,920
these hospitals are named after
or have histories that are

1232
01:16:25,920 --> 01:16:28,140
problematic. Use the term.

1233
01:16:29,160 --> 01:16:33,930
my mouse is hanging open right
now. And please tell me this all

1234
01:16:33,930 --> 01:16:37,050
stems from me bitching about the
Tuskegee story that you went you

1235
01:16:37,050 --> 01:16:42,630
you you decided to, to check out
another rabbit hole? Yeah, or

1236
01:16:42,630 --> 01:16:43,920
kind of fell on you fell in your
lap?

1237
01:16:44,490 --> 01:16:49,050
Yeah. Now what happens is, when
you ask me a question, I give

1238
01:16:49,050 --> 01:16:51,690
you a short answer. But then if
I can give you a longer answer,

1239
01:16:51,690 --> 01:16:55,470
maybe the producers had the same
question. So it's by let me go

1240
01:16:55,470 --> 01:16:58,830
ahead and address this. And then
with the LeBron thing, it does

1241
01:16:58,830 --> 01:17:02,010
fit in like, you know, perfect,
yes. Perfect. Oh,

1242
01:17:02,099 --> 01:17:05,459
this is fantastic. Very
interesting. And the only the

1243
01:17:05,459 --> 01:17:08,939
only sad thing is, this
interview is Democracy Now with

1244
01:17:08,939 --> 01:17:12,659
Amy Goodman. She's like the kiss
of death for stories. Like once

1245
01:17:12,659 --> 01:17:15,269
you're on democracy now. It's
like going nowhere.

1246
01:17:15,690 --> 01:17:17,760
Yes. Like, we covered it. It's
that kind of thing.

1247
01:17:18,690 --> 01:17:21,030
What do you mean? What do you
mean, it wasn't on PBS? Look

1248
01:17:21,030 --> 01:17:22,680
over here democracy now. Yeah.

1249
01:17:22,860 --> 01:17:27,180
Right. So I mean, and like, say
the Tata two together, they

1250
01:17:27,510 --> 01:17:32,040
didn't do this. They taught
Tuskegee with Yeah. They, they

1251
01:17:32,040 --> 01:17:35,130
try to soft shoe it though. Like
in certain areas. It's, it's the

1252
01:17:35,130 --> 01:17:38,310
same, but it's not like
Tuskegee. So I mean, that this

1253
01:17:38,310 --> 01:17:42,990
is damage control. And I'm,
like, we don't want to piss out

1254
01:17:42,990 --> 01:17:46,440
the people at Hopkins. Right.
But we have to kind of it's like

1255
01:17:46,440 --> 01:17:51,630
a limited Hangout. Perfect.
Sure. So, um, let's go ahead and

1256
01:17:51,630 --> 01:17:52,590
get into part three.

1257
01:17:52,770 --> 01:17:55,860
So Henry had a one of the most
amazing things to me about this

1258
01:17:55,860 --> 01:17:58,710
moment is Henry actually knew
there was something wrong, she

1259
01:17:58,710 --> 01:18:02,670
just sort of sensed it. And she
actually found this tumor

1260
01:18:02,670 --> 01:18:06,600
herself on right on the outside
of her cervix and went to went

1261
01:18:06,600 --> 01:18:09,660
to Hopkins, and just sort of
went in and said, I have this

1262
01:18:09,660 --> 01:18:12,870
lump. And I need to, it needs to
be looked at. And in that

1263
01:18:12,870 --> 01:18:15,270
moment, you know, this, she went
to Hopkins, because it was the

1264
01:18:15,270 --> 01:18:17,730
only place where she could go as
a black woman, this was the era

1265
01:18:17,730 --> 01:18:21,630
of segregation. So there was
colored wards, and you know, the

1266
01:18:21,630 --> 01:18:25,350
white wards and hospitals, and
most places wouldn't actually

1267
01:18:25,350 --> 01:18:28,470
didn't have a colored Ward, so
she couldn't even go. And the

1268
01:18:28,470 --> 01:18:31,530
thinking at the time was sort
of, you know, the people who

1269
01:18:31,530 --> 01:18:34,110
ended up in what they referred
to as the public Ward, were

1270
01:18:34,110 --> 01:18:36,900
either black or they were poor,
and they couldn't afford care.

1271
01:18:37,050 --> 01:18:39,600
And the thinking was, well,
we're giving you free medical

1272
01:18:39,600 --> 01:18:42,690
care, as payment, we get to do
whatever we want with you,

1273
01:18:42,690 --> 01:18:44,670
essentially. And so there was a
lot of research that was

1274
01:18:44,670 --> 01:18:47,190
conducted in these wards that
people didn't know about at the

1275
01:18:47,190 --> 01:18:51,570
time. And so Henrietta showed
up, they she ended up going

1276
01:18:51,570 --> 01:18:55,020
under anaesthetic to get this
biopsy of her cervix. And that's

1277
01:18:55,020 --> 01:18:58,710
when the doctor just took a
little extra piece and put that

1278
01:18:58,710 --> 01:19:03,360
in a dish and sent it to George
guy who was the head of tissue

1279
01:19:03,360 --> 01:19:05,730
culture research and had been
trying to grow cells for

1280
01:19:05,760 --> 01:19:06,450
decades.

1281
01:19:06,839 --> 01:19:07,919
And what happened then?

1282
01:19:09,450 --> 01:19:14,070
They never died. Yeah, so her
cells, most cells die unable to

1283
01:19:14,070 --> 01:19:16,770
keep cells alive. Pardon? Oh,
well, so they've been able to

1284
01:19:16,770 --> 01:19:20,130
keep cells alive for maybe 24
hours in the in the past, but

1285
01:19:20,130 --> 01:19:23,370
hers just not only did they not
die, but they begin doubling

1286
01:19:23,370 --> 01:19:26,040
their numbers every 24 hours. So
they just grew with this

1287
01:19:26,040 --> 01:19:29,130
incredible intensity that no one
had ever seen before

1288
01:19:29,550 --> 01:19:30,630
a cash machine.

1289
01:19:31,230 --> 01:19:35,040
Know what it's like. It's a
popular phrase. And I don't know

1290
01:19:35,040 --> 01:19:37,590
if it's just solely in the black
community, but we don't die we

1291
01:19:37,590 --> 01:19:42,900
multiply. This is literally
that, you know, you take you

1292
01:19:42,900 --> 01:19:49,620
take him out, take herself out,
um, and they won't die. And not

1293
01:19:49,620 --> 01:19:55,350
only do they don't die, but they
grow this tremendous amount of

1294
01:19:55,350 --> 01:20:00,330
vigor. It's amazing and it's
like, the sad thing is We should

1295
01:20:00,330 --> 01:20:04,230
be celebrating this woman for
her. Right? Like I said that

1296
01:20:04,230 --> 01:20:07,290
she's the mother of modern
medicine, because a lot of

1297
01:20:07,290 --> 01:20:11,220
things can happen. But the fact
that it was done under such

1298
01:20:11,910 --> 01:20:13,350
shady No,

1299
01:20:14,220 --> 01:20:17,490
you know, I hear this and, and
and you know, yeah, we can't

1300
01:20:17,490 --> 01:20:23,340
trust science because of this.
One mind immediately goes to the

1301
01:20:23,370 --> 01:20:26,910
the poorest neighborhoods in
America where Planned Parenthood

1302
01:20:27,420 --> 01:20:32,820
is, is based, who the hell knows
what they're doing? Who the hell

1303
01:20:32,820 --> 01:20:34,350
knows what's going on.

1304
01:20:35,040 --> 01:20:38,850
And now you see why not only to
ski but free healthcare in

1305
01:20:38,850 --> 01:20:42,360
general are when black people
went and got health care, it's

1306
01:20:42,360 --> 01:20:45,180
like, well, you know, they're
gonna take something by me while

1307
01:20:45,180 --> 01:20:49,260
they in there. Hey, Matt built
the distrust between the middle

1308
01:20:49,290 --> 01:20:53,490
of day talking about it's a
distrust between doctors and

1309
01:20:53,490 --> 01:20:58,440
black people. I mean, as a real
distress there because history.

1310
01:20:59,190 --> 01:21:03,720
All you have is a knife or
appeal for me. And then you hear

1311
01:21:03,720 --> 01:21:08,850
these stories. shady gradient
Atlanta, in Atlanta. Yeah. You

1312
01:21:08,850 --> 01:21:13,230
hear Hopkins in Baltimore. And
I'm sure every major city has a

1313
01:21:13,230 --> 01:21:16,470
hospital that Oh, yeah, you go
in you ain't coming out. Yeah. I

1314
01:21:16,470 --> 01:21:19,230
mean, but that's the narrative
with the ventilators now, right?

1315
01:21:19,590 --> 01:21:22,050
If you go in and you ain't
coming out, it's like, that's

1316
01:21:22,050 --> 01:21:24,480
the narrative. And welcome to
the bottom.

1317
01:21:27,570 --> 01:21:30,000
No, we've been bouncing around
here for a while mo it's

1318
01:21:30,000 --> 01:21:30,780
recognized.

1319
01:21:31,290 --> 01:21:36,390
Not you. You've you've been like
it's even last known to the

1320
01:21:36,390 --> 01:21:41,940
bottom now. Yeah, it's it's
becoming firm that is not racing

1321
01:21:41,940 --> 01:21:46,020
anymore. It's your status. And
if you don't want to take it,

1322
01:21:46,050 --> 01:21:50,100
then you're on the bottom. And
as you heard her say that, you

1323
01:21:50,100 --> 01:21:54,660
know, I'm, that makes me wonder,
like, if you give me this thing,

1324
01:21:54,660 --> 01:21:57,480
this stuff for free? What comes
along with it?

1325
01:21:57,750 --> 01:22:01,500
They always take something.
Yeah, yeah. Well, you know, just

1326
01:22:01,500 --> 01:22:05,910
as an aside to that, I was
watching an Israeli talk show.

1327
01:22:06,360 --> 01:22:11,670
Well, it was a clip from it,
which was subtitled. And it was

1328
01:22:11,670 --> 01:22:15,180
so funny. The people are
outraged, because now they're

1329
01:22:15,180 --> 01:22:19,680
learning that Israel was really
a giant laboratory for Pfizer.

1330
01:22:20,130 --> 01:22:24,090
And I think it wasn't that
obvious. It was, it was like

1331
01:22:24,090 --> 01:22:26,370
that was the only one you could
get it was and everyone was

1332
01:22:26,370 --> 01:22:29,160
talking about it that way. And
now all of a sudden people like

1333
01:22:29,160 --> 01:22:32,160
Hey, wait a minute, we were used
as a giant experiment, a giant

1334
01:22:32,160 --> 01:22:33,030
petri dish.

1335
01:22:34,200 --> 01:22:39,270
will speak in Israel, we got to
go back to show 29. And this is

1336
01:22:39,270 --> 01:22:40,230
clip number 21.

1337
01:22:40,560 --> 01:22:43,290
For several years, the Israeli
government was forcibly

1338
01:22:43,290 --> 01:22:46,260
administering birth control to a
segment of its minority

1339
01:22:46,260 --> 01:22:50,160
population, with doctors
injecting Ethiopian Jewish women

1340
01:22:50,160 --> 01:22:53,820
against their will with a
contraceptive Depo provera. But

1341
01:22:53,820 --> 01:22:56,220
it wasn't until this January
that a government official

1342
01:22:56,220 --> 01:22:59,460
finally acknowledged it. And
while the government has finally

1343
01:22:59,460 --> 01:23:02,550
put an end to this inhumane,
insane population control

1344
01:23:02,550 --> 01:23:06,510
tactic, the story has shed light
on a dangerous contraceptive

1345
01:23:06,510 --> 01:23:09,480
that's now being pushed
administered on women of color

1346
01:23:09,510 --> 01:23:14,490
all over the world, including
right here in the US. So here to

1347
01:23:14,490 --> 01:23:16,950
talk about the use of Depo
provera. And how this is

1348
01:23:16,950 --> 01:23:20,910
targeting minority populations
in both here and abroad. I'm

1349
01:23:20,910 --> 01:23:22,950
joined now by Randy short
president and national

1350
01:23:22,950 --> 01:23:26,130
spokesperson for the anti depper
clergy coalition.

1351
01:23:26,340 --> 01:23:27,780
Yeah, eugenics

1352
01:23:29,460 --> 01:23:31,710
in the same place, the same
place

1353
01:23:32,010 --> 01:23:36,000
unbeliev you know, I was reading
actually was part of my

1354
01:23:36,000 --> 01:23:40,380
basketball team ownership
research. Okay. And, you know,

1355
01:23:40,380 --> 01:23:43,950
the Nazis. We all know about
operate. We've talked about

1356
01:23:43,950 --> 01:23:46,260
Operation Paperclip, and how
they brought over a whole bunch

1357
01:23:46,260 --> 01:23:50,010
of the Nazis, including Wernher
von Braun, but in World War Two,

1358
01:23:50,100 --> 01:23:55,140
there were two brothers who had
a legal firm and and they

1359
01:23:55,890 --> 01:23:58,230
represented a lot of the US
companies who were doing

1360
01:23:58,230 --> 01:24:04,320
business with the Nazis, IBM,
General Motors, Ford, I'm sorry,

1361
01:24:04,320 --> 01:24:09,810
Ford. Dulles, okay, the Dulles
brothers, of course, well, and

1362
01:24:09,810 --> 01:24:12,120
Allen Dulles went on to create
the CIA,

1363
01:24:12,570 --> 01:24:15,600
and has the airport name for him
right here in DC.

1364
01:24:15,900 --> 01:24:20,550
He also was also instrumental in
appointing Hoover as creating

1365
01:24:20,550 --> 01:24:25,980
the FBI. I mean, it's to me it's
like it's a very it's an easy

1366
01:24:25,980 --> 01:24:30,300
hop to say the Nazis. You know,
they came in, they never left,

1367
01:24:30,360 --> 01:24:33,270
they're still still up to their
own tricks with the Schweitzer

1368
01:24:33,960 --> 01:24:35,730
men now they're doing it to
everybody.

1369
01:24:36,900 --> 01:24:39,630
That's the ultimate goal, right?
I mean, that was the ultimate

1370
01:24:39,630 --> 01:24:44,610
goal then and they're persistent
little buggers is that they

1371
01:24:44,610 --> 01:24:45,570
don't stop

1372
01:24:46,110 --> 01:24:50,010
you know, thank God I you know,
it must be the weed because I

1373
01:24:50,010 --> 01:24:52,320
really if I think about this too
much, you know, I just need to

1374
01:24:52,320 --> 01:24:59,400
go to sleep at night. It's just
it's, it's so it's almost so

1375
01:24:59,610 --> 01:25:02,520
it's so This what's what
probably is going on here that

1376
01:25:02,520 --> 01:25:03,630
you don't want to believe it.

1377
01:25:05,190 --> 01:25:08,220
And that's the crazy part is
like what you have to that's why

1378
01:25:08,220 --> 01:25:11,100
we discussed this and gallows
humor and laugh about it, of

1379
01:25:11,100 --> 01:25:13,290
course, because you have to mock
it.

1380
01:25:13,770 --> 01:25:16,650
That's the only only well the
only way to break the spells we

1381
01:25:16,650 --> 01:25:17,520
gotta market.

1382
01:25:18,090 --> 01:25:21,960
Right. So speaking of which now
we get to get into the history

1383
01:25:21,960 --> 01:25:26,490
of Johns Hopkins, and his
influence on and how is it how

1384
01:25:26,490 --> 01:25:28,500
his influence parts Baltimore

1385
01:25:29,190 --> 01:25:32,940
Welcome to The Real News.
jessalyn Knorr Johns Hopkins a

1386
01:25:32,940 --> 01:25:36,750
renowned institution of higher
education medicine. Its name is

1387
01:25:36,750 --> 01:25:39,840
synonymous with Baltimore, where
it serves as the largest private

1388
01:25:39,840 --> 01:25:43,470
employer, its technological and
medical breakthroughs routinely

1389
01:25:43,470 --> 01:25:47,010
make the news. But recently,
Hopkins has grabbed headlines

1390
01:25:47,010 --> 01:25:49,860
for a different reason. It's
found itself the target of

1391
01:25:49,860 --> 01:25:53,460
protests by community members,
students and its own workers who

1392
01:25:53,460 --> 01:25:57,030
say it's harming the very people
it's supposed to serve. They

1393
01:25:57,030 --> 01:26:00,780
point to Hopkins own legacy in a
city that remains haunted by

1394
01:26:00,780 --> 01:26:04,530
inequality, racism and
segregation. Or joining us in

1395
01:26:04,530 --> 01:26:08,250
our studio today is a leading
expert on these topics. On to

1396
01:26:08,250 --> 01:26:10,560
row p atella. Thanks so much for
joining us. Thank

1397
01:26:10,560 --> 01:26:11,400
you for inviting me.

1398
01:26:11,790 --> 01:26:16,200
So let's start with who Johns
Hopkins was and why he decided

1399
01:26:16,440 --> 01:26:21,840
to, you know, fund hospital and
a university, which at the time

1400
01:26:21,870 --> 01:26:25,980
was his idea at the time this
was in the 19th century, was to

1401
01:26:25,980 --> 01:26:29,490
make create institutions that
would serve everybody, including

1402
01:26:29,490 --> 01:26:33,000
African Americans. And, you
know, so talk about who he was

1403
01:26:33,000 --> 01:26:34,320
and why he decided to do that.

1404
01:26:34,560 --> 01:26:37,860
Well, Johns Hopkins was a direct
descendant of William the

1405
01:26:37,860 --> 01:26:41,850
Conqueror, the New York from
Normandy, who overran England in

1406
01:26:41,910 --> 01:26:48,240
1066. And so his folks they came
from Wales in England, and there

1407
01:26:48,240 --> 01:26:52,410
were two brothers who went to
Rhode Island and four other

1408
01:26:52,410 --> 01:26:55,500
brothers they came to the
Baltimore area and took them

1409
01:26:55,500 --> 01:26:59,880
then ended up in today's craft
and Randall County, where they

1410
01:26:59,880 --> 01:27:04,920
received several 100 acres of
tobacco land from the King of

1411
01:27:04,980 --> 01:27:10,320
England so he was he was notable
person to begin with came from

1412
01:27:10,320 --> 01:27:11,430
loadable family

1413
01:27:12,810 --> 01:27:17,130
white privilege just so happens
he had bloodlines back the

1414
01:27:17,669 --> 01:27:22,679
Conqueror What do you know what
do you know? You know,

1415
01:27:22,680 --> 01:27:25,410
so just for people that don't
know who William the Conqueror

1416
01:27:25,410 --> 01:27:27,900
he is, Are you familiar with him
Dad, I don't know my

1417
01:27:27,900 --> 01:27:31,230
I am actually because of my
European schooling. So be

1418
01:27:32,280 --> 01:27:35,280
very wary. That's why I want you
to I'm gonna lean on you on this

1419
01:27:35,280 --> 01:27:39,090
one. But let's get everybody
caught up with who the William

1420
01:27:39,090 --> 01:27:39,930
the Conqueror is.

1421
01:27:41,460 --> 01:27:45,750
William of Normandy, known as
the Conqueror, arrived on the

1422
01:27:45,750 --> 01:27:51,630
channel coast from France in
1066. It has become the one date

1423
01:27:51,630 --> 01:27:56,460
every English school child
knows. As a contemporary writer

1424
01:27:56,460 --> 01:28:02,160
noted, in this year came William
out of Normandy, King Harold

1425
01:28:02,190 --> 01:28:06,840
came to oppose him and fought
most resolutely, and there was

1426
01:28:06,840 --> 01:28:12,570
great slaughter on both sides.
The Battle of Hastings was

1427
01:28:12,570 --> 01:28:16,440
fought here at a town named
battle on the south coast of

1428
01:28:16,440 --> 01:28:21,210
England. herald the Saxon King
was slain with an arrow through

1429
01:28:21,210 --> 01:28:25,350
his eye on this ridge, where
William later built an abbey to

1430
01:28:25,350 --> 01:28:26,700
celebrate his victory.

1431
01:28:31,740 --> 01:28:36,180
England was overcome by force of
arms for the last time, and the

1432
01:28:36,180 --> 01:28:40,560
country had new rulers with very
new ideas of how to keep their

1433
01:28:40,560 --> 01:28:46,860
subjects in order. William's
first act on landing and

1434
01:28:46,860 --> 01:28:51,030
pevensey was to erect a wooden
fort within the old Roman walls

1435
01:28:51,240 --> 01:28:56,580
standing on the site of the
present castle. He quickly

1436
01:28:56,580 --> 01:29:00,030
followed it with one of the best
known buildings in the world.

1437
01:29:01,950 --> 01:29:07,680
The Tower of London standing on
the banks of the Thames nothing

1438
01:29:07,680 --> 01:29:12,330
like it had been seen before the
white tower built with stone

1439
01:29:12,330 --> 01:29:16,890
brought from Normandy dominated
the early London skyline and the

1440
01:29:16,890 --> 01:29:22,170
minds of those that saw it This
was a potent symbol of the new

1441
01:29:22,170 --> 01:29:25,740
order in short, it was a castle

1442
01:29:27,660 --> 01:29:30,060
j h really comes from good stock
huh

1443
01:29:31,980 --> 01:29:35,490
I mean, they would wreck the
huge buildings you know that

1444
01:29:35,520 --> 01:29:39,810
dominate the people's it's the
same thing with the john Johns

1445
01:29:39,810 --> 01:29:42,090
Hopkins Hospital now in the
middle of these poor Baltimore

1446
01:29:42,090 --> 01:29:45,750
neighborhoods right? You have
this huge building Am I reaching

1447
01:29:45,750 --> 01:29:47,490
my Space Jam reaching here just
let me know. I

1448
01:29:47,490 --> 01:29:51,060
mean, no you are and the reason
why I know a little bit about

1449
01:29:51,060 --> 01:29:55,590
this is because I still have my
stamp book. Although my although

1450
01:29:55,590 --> 01:29:59,550
I think I sold my my penny black
which was probably worth some

1451
01:29:59,550 --> 01:30:03,660
good money. Now, I collected
British stamps as 14 year old.

1452
01:30:03,810 --> 01:30:08,280
And I have a first edition. You
know, like, what do you call

1453
01:30:08,280 --> 01:30:11,820
that, like, the first day it's a
comes out, I forgot even what

1454
01:30:11,820 --> 01:30:15,690
the name is. And you get a
little block and it was the

1455
01:30:15,720 --> 01:30:18,270
Battle of Hastings, it had all
the whole story of the Battle of

1456
01:30:18,270 --> 01:30:23,820
Hastings all as one stamp block.
And so that that rings true.

1457
01:30:24,810 --> 01:30:27,480
This story is true, I have the
stamps to prove it, I got

1458
01:30:27,480 --> 01:30:31,410
received to bring in a new
order. It's a great way, of

1459
01:30:31,410 --> 01:30:33,450
course, to bring in the new
order. You kidding me?

1460
01:30:33,630 --> 01:30:39,210
I don't make this stuff up. So
let's get back to John's

1461
01:30:39,210 --> 01:30:39,840
decocker.

1462
01:30:40,020 --> 01:30:43,380
But segregation soon followed
because Baltimore was in the

1463
01:30:43,380 --> 01:30:49,020
midst of a major racial change
in 1899 was the turning point.

1464
01:30:49,230 --> 01:30:52,860
for him. The Democrats came back
to power in Baltimore under the

1465
01:30:52,860 --> 01:30:57,450
slogan, this is a white man
city. So all this was reflected

1466
01:30:57,450 --> 01:31:01,860
in the admission policies or the
hospital of which continued to

1467
01:31:03,150 --> 01:31:07,830
create black patients. But But
now in a separate wards.

1468
01:31:08,190 --> 01:31:11,910
In your book, you do an
incredible job of detailing how

1469
01:31:11,940 --> 01:31:15,300
the leadership of Hopkins this
elite group of people that

1470
01:31:15,300 --> 01:31:20,850
controlled Hopkins also played
critical roles in Baltimore

1471
01:31:20,850 --> 01:31:25,830
City, and its leadership as
well. Talk about how Hopkins Are

1472
01:31:25,830 --> 01:31:28,830
you talking about how is
bankrupt at one time how it grew

1473
01:31:28,860 --> 01:31:31,800
in prominence, and who some of
these key figures were in

1474
01:31:31,800 --> 01:31:34,530
shaping its its history and its
rise?

1475
01:31:34,980 --> 01:31:40,770
Well, the first both the
university and the hospital,

1476
01:31:40,770 --> 01:31:45,210
they were governed by separate
boards with lots of overlap. And

1477
01:31:45,210 --> 01:31:49,020
the initial board members were
nominated by Hopkins himself.

1478
01:31:49,350 --> 01:31:53,280
And then afterwards, the
connection to Hopkins and his

1479
01:31:53,280 --> 01:31:57,960
thinking disappeared. And so
what we have particularly there

1480
01:31:57,960 --> 01:32:02,250
are two interesting developments
in the history of the Hopkins

1481
01:32:02,250 --> 01:32:07,560
county complex and one of them
is that that Hopkins precedent

1482
01:32:07,590 --> 01:32:12,120
and handle the university's
trustees, they played a major

1483
01:32:12,120 --> 01:32:16,740
role in this in fostering
residential segregation in

1484
01:32:16,740 --> 01:32:17,430
Baltimore.

1485
01:32:19,260 --> 01:32:21,960
One day, one day, we're all
going to wake up and we're going

1486
01:32:21,960 --> 01:32:23,910
to realize who the real racists
are.

1487
01:32:24,390 --> 01:32:28,770
Democrats take over poor
segregation, experimentation on

1488
01:32:29,100 --> 01:32:33,420
on black people. Now I got to
give John's a little mishap. We

1489
01:32:33,420 --> 01:32:38,010
always humanize here. They just
kind of hijacked his name now,

1490
01:32:38,100 --> 01:32:41,580
right? It's not right for us, of
course, and but it's the

1491
01:32:41,610 --> 01:32:48,540
mentality of superiority. Or and
that you're poor, you need

1492
01:32:48,960 --> 01:32:53,100
medical help. Your body is the
only commodity you have. That's

1493
01:32:53,100 --> 01:32:56,550
why, you know, I'll give you
help now on the short term, if

1494
01:32:56,550 --> 01:32:59,340
you let me just have a piece of
you know, saying down the line,

1495
01:32:59,790 --> 01:33:00,990
and and that's,

1496
01:33:01,560 --> 01:33:05,220
it's an old story, man, it's an
old story in many different

1497
01:33:05,220 --> 01:33:06,030
versions.

1498
01:33:06,900 --> 01:33:11,160
And a people wonder why there's
district trust me when people

1499
01:33:11,160 --> 01:33:14,520
went into those hospitals? I
can't know this being from a

1500
01:33:14,520 --> 01:33:17,310
small town in North Carolina.
It's like when you go in you

1501
01:33:17,310 --> 01:33:21,960
don't come out, right. I mean,
that's just in this is, it's,

1502
01:33:22,140 --> 01:33:28,290
it's fascinating to hear people
lose trust in the medical system

1503
01:33:28,290 --> 01:33:29,190
in the way that it does.

1504
01:33:29,520 --> 01:33:33,450
Okay, so you're telling You're
giving me new information? I

1505
01:33:33,450 --> 01:33:36,510
mean, this is this is new from
our conversation, this

1506
01:33:37,980 --> 01:33:43,230
experimentation. I mean, this is
this. This is mind blowing. I

1507
01:33:43,230 --> 01:33:45,630
thought I knew pretty much
everything about every kind of

1508
01:33:45,630 --> 01:33:49,440
story, particularly if something
of this magnitude but this they

1509
01:33:49,440 --> 01:33:53,370
kept this from my from, from my
view, this is unbelievable.

1510
01:33:53,849 --> 01:33:57,029
Yeah. And it's not like they
people would know what happened

1511
01:33:57,029 --> 01:34:00,179
to them. Like all they took this
out. No, but he's no, you

1512
01:34:00,179 --> 01:34:03,299
weren't yourself when you can't.
I mean, like, you only go to the

1513
01:34:03,299 --> 01:34:10,379
hospital if you have to testify.
Like, well, I'm Wham odds here.

1514
01:34:10,379 --> 01:34:15,599
And if I gotta go, that kind of
thing. It's not like you knew

1515
01:34:15,599 --> 01:34:18,509
that they did something to you,
but that that distrust is built

1516
01:34:18,509 --> 01:34:22,829
in. So I think we stopped at 24
I guess we can get into 25.

1517
01:34:23,459 --> 01:34:27,599
Hopkins is an interesting story
in the sense that what I do in

1518
01:34:27,599 --> 01:34:34,499
my book, I go through the ethnic
rotations in those

1519
01:34:34,499 --> 01:34:40,049
neighborhoods, and the pattern
was the area around Hopkins

1520
01:34:40,049 --> 01:34:45,899
initially was largely German,
then then it became Irish, then

1521
01:34:45,899 --> 01:34:50,519
it became largely Jewish. And
then African Americans, for

1522
01:34:50,519 --> 01:34:55,469
various reasons began moving to
that area. Now now, today, there

1523
01:34:55,469 --> 01:35:01,769
is lots of controversy about
Hopkins. And it's remaking Oh,

1524
01:35:01,769 --> 01:35:05,129
that neighborhood which is seen
as gentrification, this is his

1525
01:35:05,129 --> 01:35:09,419
fault. This is a nice Baltimore.
And my point in the book is that

1526
01:35:09,449 --> 01:35:15,419
gentrification really in terms
of Hopkins is largely a misnomer

1527
01:35:15,449 --> 01:35:19,349
because those neighborhoods
before the urban changes and

1528
01:35:19,349 --> 01:35:23,339
racial changes raised the
hospital area, those those

1529
01:35:23,969 --> 01:35:29,459
neighborhoods favor not for by
any means. So what I see

1530
01:35:29,489 --> 01:35:33,389
happening in East Baltimore
today instead of gentrification

1531
01:35:33,389 --> 01:35:37,709
really is read gentrification,
trying to recreate neighborhoods

1532
01:35:37,949 --> 01:35:44,549
that are financially solvent and
can sustain various neighborhood

1533
01:35:44,549 --> 01:35:46,769
activities and keep it in good
shape.

1534
01:35:47,190 --> 01:35:50,700
And you in your book, you write
that in 1970, the Hopkins

1535
01:35:50,730 --> 01:35:53,940
hospital's Director of Planning
wrote, quote, a hostile black

1536
01:35:53,940 --> 01:35:57,870
community constantly reminded of
past expansion limits future

1537
01:35:57,870 --> 01:36:00,330
enlargement of the site, the
characteristics of the

1538
01:36:00,330 --> 01:36:03,750
neighborhood, make the area
uncongenial for employees,

1539
01:36:03,750 --> 01:36:05,250
staffs and students.

1540
01:36:06,900 --> 01:36:13,620
Hold on a second. So now do they
they have a hand in this to

1541
01:36:13,620 --> 01:36:16,350
expand. I mean, obviously, we
know what the ultimate

1542
01:36:16,350 --> 01:36:20,370
goal was. But what what happens
is they want to expand and they

1543
01:36:20,370 --> 01:36:22,350
just need to make the
neighborhood crap so they can

1544
01:36:22,350 --> 01:36:25,980
tear it down. Correct. And
that's what we're seeing what I

1545
01:36:25,980 --> 01:36:29,790
believe we're seeing everywhere
now everywhere, East Austin

1546
01:36:29,820 --> 01:36:34,860
everywhere. But you see these
memes of videos. Hello, the

1547
01:36:34,860 --> 01:36:42,240
wire, right? So you see this is
a meme is going around now of a

1548
01:36:42,960 --> 01:36:46,500
street in Philadelphia. Where
like a guy's kind of riding in

1549
01:36:46,500 --> 01:36:49,950
the car and has like the fixed
camera. He's catching on like

1550
01:36:49,950 --> 01:36:52,740
these zombie like, Yeah, sure.
Of course. Yeah. Drug addicts.

1551
01:36:52,770 --> 01:36:59,520
Yep. This is how they justify
mass incarceration. See, this is

1552
01:36:59,520 --> 01:37:04,620
plan. What's the word?
obsolescence of people? Oh,

1553
01:37:04,620 --> 01:37:09,000
people. You take out the series
people series people move into

1554
01:37:09,000 --> 01:37:12,450
you know, by people from
California going to Austin or

1555
01:37:12,450 --> 01:37:15,600
New York going to Florida all
these things. All you leave now

1556
01:37:15,600 --> 01:37:18,750
is a crime ridden cities. That's
like what somebody's got to come

1557
01:37:18,750 --> 01:37:21,150
in and clean it up. Right? I
mean, that's I mean, it's the

1558
01:37:21,150 --> 01:37:24,960
only right thing to do welcome
Larry elder, right you drive

1559
01:37:24,960 --> 01:37:27,450
down the property value with all
the drug addicts the drugs the

1560
01:37:27,450 --> 01:37:32,400
Fenton on the carpet and on
everything else. And guess what?

1561
01:37:32,400 --> 01:37:36,600
Now you come in bought up
pennies on the dollar with this

1562
01:37:36,600 --> 01:37:37,170
addict.

1563
01:37:37,200 --> 01:37:40,800
You know what, here's pisses me
off. This is the, this is what

1564
01:37:40,800 --> 01:37:44,460
we initially connected on when I
was talking about. I know a gym.

1565
01:37:44,460 --> 01:37:46,860
That was awesome. Yeah, but
nipsey hussle. And I had kind of

1566
01:37:46,860 --> 01:37:50,220
seen this happen. And then, you
know, after I seen the wire, by

1567
01:37:50,220 --> 01:37:54,570
the way, God bless Omar, they
got Omar. Yeah, that sucks.

1568
01:37:56,940 --> 01:38:01,140
It's, you know, going back to JC
going back to, you know, the

1569
01:38:01,170 --> 01:38:05,070
Brooklyn Stadium, and it's all
the same story.

1570
01:38:06,000 --> 01:38:09,030
We saw the same thing in New
York. Same thing, and I think I

1571
01:38:09,030 --> 01:38:11,310
think we're seeing I think we're
seeing it in Austin, you know,

1572
01:38:11,340 --> 01:38:16,260
East Austin. Is is, is we had we
had to leave. Now it's not it

1573
01:38:16,260 --> 01:38:21,000
wasn't that horrible, but it was
really just around the corner.

1574
01:38:21,450 --> 01:38:25,440
You know, as you can read the
tea leaves like I did. Yeah, I

1575
01:38:25,440 --> 01:38:28,620
did that history is Yeah, these
people getting cars getting

1576
01:38:28,620 --> 01:38:31,800
broken to every night down the
street, it made me time to move

1577
01:38:31,800 --> 01:38:32,790
before they move up the block.

1578
01:38:33,000 --> 01:38:37,620
Break name does a killing every
night. We've had 60 in Austin

1579
01:38:37,620 --> 01:38:38,970
this year, all time record.

1580
01:38:39,629 --> 01:38:44,639
But that's allowed to happen.
Yes, on the property value come

1581
01:38:44,639 --> 01:38:47,339
when you come to buy it. And
this is what happened in Hopkins

1582
01:38:47,339 --> 01:38:51,299
with the wire and everything
else. But just don't believe me

1583
01:38:51,299 --> 01:38:53,789
and you. Let's listen to clip
number four.

1584
01:38:54,120 --> 01:38:57,330
And that takes me to my next
question. The relationship

1585
01:38:57,330 --> 01:39:01,110
between Hopkins and the local
black residents in East

1586
01:39:01,110 --> 01:39:05,400
Baltimore. You know, you talk
about and the relationship of

1587
01:39:05,400 --> 01:39:10,200
medical institutions in general.
You talk about from doctors to

1588
01:39:10,470 --> 01:39:13,950
Robin graves. You have a section
in your book about that, which

1589
01:39:13,950 --> 01:39:18,150
is really fascinating. You talk
about how Hopkins was known as

1590
01:39:18,150 --> 01:39:23,400
the plantation. And you know,
there's also people like

1591
01:39:23,880 --> 01:39:27,750
Henrietta Lacks who, whose
genetic material was harvested

1592
01:39:27,750 --> 01:39:29,940
by Hopkins without her consent
as well.

1593
01:39:30,509 --> 01:39:36,119
That that's true. And so one one
of the Hopkins presidents once

1594
01:39:36,119 --> 01:39:41,069
said that Hopkins is a is not a
good neighbor. And all this has

1595
01:39:41,069 --> 01:39:45,599
come to play in East Baltimore
where people remember the days

1596
01:39:45,629 --> 01:39:51,569
when 1200 homes or 1200 black
people were demolished in order

1597
01:39:51,569 --> 01:39:57,539
for Hopkins to construct a
dormitory housing 205 years is

1598
01:39:57,539 --> 01:40:02,759
and doctors. So there is lots On
a distrust towards the Hopkins,

1599
01:40:02,999 --> 01:40:07,319
and in the recent controversies
that we saw and talk about all

1600
01:40:07,319 --> 01:40:10,889
this has come to play everything
that Hopkins has done in the

1601
01:40:10,889 --> 01:40:15,389
past all its crimes have have
been mentioned to Henrietta

1602
01:40:15,389 --> 01:40:19,889
Lacks experiments with lead
paint all kinds of other stuff.

1603
01:40:21,840 --> 01:40:26,880
On the towers, yeah. If you're
listening on a podcasting 2.0

1604
01:40:26,880 --> 01:40:30,810
compatible app, you know what to
do? You got to boost that.

1605
01:40:32,340 --> 01:40:35,400
towers, just like in the wire?
Yes,

1606
01:40:35,400 --> 01:40:37,290
it's exactly the same.

1607
01:40:38,820 --> 01:40:41,280
And the reason why I know this
relationship, because this is a

1608
01:40:41,280 --> 01:40:45,630
strange relationship, because he
started out saying that Hopkins

1609
01:40:45,630 --> 01:40:49,110
is the number one employer I
think, in Baltimore, maybe in

1610
01:40:49,110 --> 01:40:52,800
Maryland, I can't recall, but
I'll just say Baltimore, the

1611
01:40:52,800 --> 01:40:56,310
reason why I know this is I'm
from Derm. Duke is the same way,

1612
01:40:56,340 --> 01:41:01,170
right? So it's like, you know,
these things happen like we do

1613
01:41:01,230 --> 01:41:04,920
in the hospital and these kind
of things. But at the same time,

1614
01:41:04,920 --> 01:41:10,620
they a lot of people eat from
them literally, like, nurses

1615
01:41:10,650 --> 01:41:14,550
keeping these I'm saying these,
these types of jobs. So it's

1616
01:41:14,550 --> 01:41:17,220
this weird relationship that it
has with the with the

1617
01:41:17,220 --> 01:41:21,870
neighborhood or no, and the
people that live in them.

1618
01:41:25,350 --> 01:41:30,120
Yeah, keep on going. I got
nothing to know. This is great.

1619
01:41:30,120 --> 01:41:33,870
This is this is like the best.
It's like finding in the gym on

1620
01:41:33,870 --> 01:41:36,780
Netflix. You know, it's like,
holy crap. I know. It's like,

1621
01:41:36,990 --> 01:41:40,260
when I watched that that damn
octopus documentary with the guy

1622
01:41:40,260 --> 01:41:42,750
living with an octopus for a
year. That's how good this is,

1623
01:41:43,020 --> 01:41:44,430
like octopus level. Good.

1624
01:41:45,390 --> 01:41:50,010
So now caution, people costume.
Oh, boy. Morning, we have one.

1625
01:41:50,400 --> 01:41:55,290
We're about to get some pure
Anca AJ here. This is Alex

1626
01:41:55,290 --> 01:41:58,680
Jones. And I'm gonna play the
full clip that I took the

1627
01:41:58,680 --> 01:42:01,260
snippet from concerning
Henrietta Lacks.

1628
01:42:01,590 --> 01:42:05,700
And I found the former Pfizer
employee who heads up the

1629
01:42:05,700 --> 01:42:09,300
project for the main level four
bioweapons lab in London,

1630
01:42:09,300 --> 01:42:14,760
England, that we'll be telling
you about. And I watched seven

1631
01:42:14,760 --> 01:42:18,390
or eight of his videos, and then
read scanned over dozens of his

1632
01:42:18,390 --> 01:42:22,110
papers. And by the time I was
done, my job was on the ground.

1633
01:42:22,950 --> 01:42:29,370
And it went right back to
Henrietta Lacks, that we told

1634
01:42:29,370 --> 01:42:33,810
you about this black woman that
got eaten alive by cancer in one

1635
01:42:33,810 --> 01:42:39,420
week. And they cut her uterus
out, stole it. And it's the

1636
01:42:39,420 --> 01:42:43,590
basis of all human cloning
everything today, the cells

1637
01:42:43,590 --> 01:42:46,320
won't die. They have factories
all over the world that just

1638
01:42:46,320 --> 01:42:50,310
create her cells. And I've
already knew all this, but my

1639
01:42:50,310 --> 01:42:57,150
God, I didn't know they cloned
her. In 1966, they spliced her

1640
01:42:57,150 --> 01:43:03,660
with mice in 1966. I mean, we I
mean, folks, you've seen the

1641
01:43:03,660 --> 01:43:06,570
thing where like jumps on things
and eat some that's that's what

1642
01:43:06,570 --> 01:43:09,780
ater and they even say they
don't believe it's human doesn't

1643
01:43:09,780 --> 01:43:12,750
have our genome doesn't have our
chromosomes. And they call it

1644
01:43:12,750 --> 01:43:15,690
another species and debate
whether what was in our uterus

1645
01:43:15,720 --> 01:43:20,490
is an alien. I'm gonna show you
Wikipedia, and then I'm gonna

1646
01:43:20,490 --> 01:43:24,690
show you the actual documents.
Now. This little seller right

1647
01:43:24,690 --> 01:43:27,510
here, because let me tell you,
I'm not gonna pretend to know

1648
01:43:27,510 --> 01:43:30,240
exactly what they're doing. But
let's just say this. It's world

1649
01:43:30,240 --> 01:43:33,960
in in baby. They're putting
Henrietta Lacks cells

1650
01:43:34,320 --> 01:43:41,910
in you. Love Alex. He always
gives you something to think

1651
01:43:41,910 --> 01:43:45,720
about. And, man, he's, he's been
pretty damn close. And a lot of

1652
01:43:45,720 --> 01:43:46,440
things.

1653
01:43:46,620 --> 01:43:51,360
Was it I need to I got
questions. Alien night.

1654
01:43:51,630 --> 01:43:58,860
Seriously, Mike. They're not
telling us something here. These

1655
01:43:58,860 --> 01:44:04,410
jeans these, Miss, give me these
sales. G's grow like nobody's

1656
01:44:04,560 --> 01:44:07,410
not know I'm being tongue in
cheek when I say elite. But what

1657
01:44:07,440 --> 01:44:11,190
is it? Because that makes me ask
What are you putting in me or

1658
01:44:11,190 --> 01:44:14,100
trying to put in in me? You
know, these are real. I mean,

1659
01:44:14,160 --> 01:44:17,580
I'd say this. Like I said, we
use gallows humor here. But it's

1660
01:44:17,580 --> 01:44:22,110
based on a real question of if
you have such a great product,

1661
01:44:22,110 --> 01:44:23,250
tell me what it is.

1662
01:44:23,430 --> 01:44:30,450
Well, now, let's just be clear,
I'm not 100% sure that her cells

1663
01:44:30,450 --> 01:44:35,400
are being put into any vaccine.
Her cells are being used to

1664
01:44:35,430 --> 01:44:39,030
develop a vaccine. I could be
wrong.

1665
01:44:39,030 --> 01:44:41,940
I don't know. Now, what I'm
saying is we were talking just

1666
01:44:41,940 --> 01:44:46,920
in generalities here of because
nobody knows. If somebody knows

1667
01:44:46,920 --> 01:44:50,640
something when I mean, even if
some a doctor sat down explained

1668
01:44:50,640 --> 01:44:55,380
it to me. I still wouldn't know.
You know, Sam, but the narrative

1669
01:44:55,410 --> 01:44:59,970
is Why are you hiding this lady
from us? Which she's Oh, um,

1670
01:45:00,000 --> 01:45:03,600
American hero. I mean, if you
tell her story, but it's like,

1671
01:45:03,600 --> 01:45:05,370
No, you don't want to tell her
story, because then you have to

1672
01:45:05,370 --> 01:45:09,450
tell the whole story. So it's
like, oh, well, you know, they

1673
01:45:09,450 --> 01:45:12,510
play this weird game of like,
She's so great, but we can't

1674
01:45:12,510 --> 01:45:13,170
talk about her

1675
01:45:13,230 --> 01:45:19,020
because of Well, okay, so what
your what your your hypothesis

1676
01:45:19,020 --> 01:45:23,130
here is that the well, we can't
really talk about our because

1677
01:45:23,130 --> 01:45:28,200
john, this is a controversial
that that's kind of covering up

1678
01:45:28,200 --> 01:45:29,910
something even more sinister.

1679
01:45:30,630 --> 01:45:34,380
It creates more questions than
it for sure does, for sure it

1680
01:45:34,380 --> 01:45:38,850
does. And when questions come in
doubt come in. And when doubts

1681
01:45:38,850 --> 01:45:41,760
come in, I'm more reluctant not
to go along with

1682
01:45:42,000 --> 01:45:45,150
it. What's interesting is, is
this the same story Tina was

1683
01:45:45,150 --> 01:45:47,490
telling telling me about and she
just read a headline.

1684
01:45:47,820 --> 01:45:49,950
And I don't know, I mean, I'm
curious. I mean, because I

1685
01:45:49,950 --> 01:45:52,530
haven't seen her name anywhere.

1686
01:45:53,250 --> 01:45:57,090
No, Tina said Oh, did you hear
about the woman who, who got

1687
01:45:57,090 --> 01:46:00,540
cancer? and seven days later,
she was dead? And I said, No,

1688
01:46:00,540 --> 01:46:03,990
that's horrible. And, and she
said that and I said, Well, what

1689
01:46:03,990 --> 01:46:07,080
about now I just I've been
reading it she she admits right

1690
01:46:07,080 --> 01:46:10,830
away. I didn't really read it.
But I think this this story must

1691
01:46:10,830 --> 01:46:14,880
be maybe because of Alex. This
is a recent alex jones episode.

1692
01:46:15,570 --> 01:46:20,070
Yes. So that's why it's probably
out there. So what's floating

1693
01:46:20,070 --> 01:46:23,880
around if it's reaching us, it's
floating. But Tina's deep, man,

1694
01:46:23,880 --> 01:46:27,390
she's she's she's the keeper
goes deep and wide. So I don't

1695
01:46:27,390 --> 01:46:29,370
know. I don't know where she's
picked that up.

1696
01:46:29,970 --> 01:46:36,090
Shout out to the keeper. Yeah.
But as he said it, like I said,

1697
01:46:36,090 --> 01:46:42,480
I'm taking his when you say
stuff like that, like she had an

1698
01:46:42,510 --> 01:46:48,540
alien her uterus, it makes it
like very dismissible. But I

1699
01:46:48,540 --> 01:46:51,420
understand why he does that
because it makes headlines, and

1700
01:46:51,420 --> 01:46:54,630
it gets the word out there. If
you sit down with a PowerPoint

1701
01:46:54,630 --> 01:46:57,630
and boring and like peep, you
bore people to death. So it's

1702
01:46:57,630 --> 01:47:02,280
like, let me look this up is
alien or uterus kind of thing.

1703
01:47:02,280 --> 01:47:03,240
But this is

1704
01:47:03,240 --> 01:47:06,720
not. This is not foreign to
Alex. I mean, I this he's been

1705
01:47:06,720 --> 01:47:07,530
saying this,

1706
01:47:07,560 --> 01:47:12,360
my god for 25 years, they've
been growing babies and cows.

1707
01:47:13,259 --> 01:47:16,199
So he's, he's been kind of on
tracking that, you know?

1708
01:47:16,740 --> 01:47:21,330
Right. So he did say that
they're growing factories is

1709
01:47:21,330 --> 01:47:25,800
growing her sales all around the
world, I believe. Let's go over

1710
01:47:25,800 --> 01:47:28,380
to Dr. Oz and real healer sales.

1711
01:47:28,860 --> 01:47:35,070
And go ahead. Really hard.
That's her. There are millions

1712
01:47:35,130 --> 01:47:36,600
of Henrietta's cells in there.

1713
01:47:38,790 --> 01:47:46,350
Wow. Like in the movie when she
has it she goes she's cold. This

1714
01:47:46,350 --> 01:47:49,710
is warm This is so these are the
real cells just through the week

1715
01:47:49,800 --> 01:47:54,660
for me they're not even have the
real selfish movie is fantastic.

1716
01:47:57,480 --> 01:48:00,330
Medical cars goodies for us Come
over here. I actually put them

1717
01:48:00,330 --> 01:48:02,790
under the microscope. I want you
to see them with your own eyes

1718
01:48:02,790 --> 01:48:05,130
rose. Go ahead, take a loss.
Don't poke your eyes out.

1719
01:48:05,160 --> 01:48:06,900
Look close. This is just like in
the movie.

1720
01:48:08,160 --> 01:48:12,090
Journalist scientists now
doesn't she? Wow. And we're

1721
01:48:12,090 --> 01:48:14,880
gonna put them up in a big
monitor. This is just like in

1722
01:48:14,880 --> 01:48:18,150
the room I know in the grave. So
you guys go ahead and look. And

1723
01:48:18,150 --> 01:48:20,250
when those don't open, take a
look at everybody else. This is

1724
01:48:20,250 --> 01:48:23,610
what Oprah seeing back here.
She's seeing all the cells and

1725
01:48:23,610 --> 01:48:25,950
he said Little Black dotted
ones. The little black dots are

1726
01:48:25,950 --> 01:48:29,040
the nucleus. That's that's
that's actually her DNA. And

1727
01:48:29,760 --> 01:48:33,750
that is fascinating. And the
gray stuff is the cells. So that

1728
01:48:33,750 --> 01:48:34,830
is so cool.

1729
01:48:39,540 --> 01:48:47,340
Home we're looking at this
sales. Have you seen them? Many

1730
01:48:47,340 --> 01:48:54,330
times? Like let's have a little
bit here. Okay. I have never

1731
01:48:54,330 --> 01:48:57,750
held the actual cells in my
hand. They're yours. Wow. Don't

1732
01:48:57,750 --> 01:48:58,170
drop them.

1733
01:49:00,030 --> 01:49:04,950
You know, you get a healer, a
healer and everybody in the

1734
01:49:04,950 --> 01:49:09,090
crowd. Take some healer home
bike seriously. you're pedaling

1735
01:49:09,090 --> 01:49:13,170
human remains. I mean, I hate to
say it. I know I'm being

1736
01:49:13,200 --> 01:49:16,770
hyperbolic here. But what I'm
just saying is for Oprah to be

1737
01:49:16,770 --> 01:49:22,440
on television. And we say about
women you know, whatever about

1738
01:49:22,590 --> 01:49:25,200
you know, people's bodies and
their rights and whatever.

1739
01:49:25,200 --> 01:49:30,120
angiology is Pelin Henrietta
Lacks around like, I'll take

1740
01:49:30,120 --> 01:49:32,490
them home with you. They're
always fresh groom like

1741
01:49:32,520 --> 01:49:37,800
tomatoes. Fresh from the farm to
the table. But what I thought

1742
01:49:37,800 --> 01:49:46,350
that's the most disgusting clip
out of all I've got so far. your

1743
01:49:46,350 --> 01:49:47,940
fridge frustrates me for years

1744
01:49:47,940 --> 01:49:50,520
I've been talking about the
eugenicist, actually want to

1745
01:49:50,520 --> 01:49:54,870
make superhumans you gotta
wonder, you gotta wonder, you

1746
01:49:54,870 --> 01:49:59,460
know is Henrietta Lacks will
that maybe that can make people

1747
01:49:59,460 --> 01:50:00,600
cell free. Generate

1748
01:50:01,800 --> 01:50:04,110
I don't I don't Who the heck
knows

1749
01:50:04,920 --> 01:50:08,520
who the heck knows. But Wow,
yeah.

1750
01:50:09,060 --> 01:50:12,090
And this again put it put it on
the board we're watching.

1751
01:50:12,270 --> 01:50:15,240
Yes, we're watching. This is
fascinating. I can't I can't

1752
01:50:15,240 --> 01:50:17,970
watch anything else now I'm
going to be scouring the webs.

1753
01:50:18,420 --> 01:50:21,090
We got to find more about this
what's happening right now this

1754
01:50:21,090 --> 01:50:21,840
is good.

1755
01:50:22,620 --> 01:50:27,840
Well, what we don't do is
peddling. He loves sales. So we

1756
01:50:27,840 --> 01:50:30,690
got to thank producers, yes,
this is, this would be a good

1757
01:50:30,690 --> 01:50:31,350
time to do it.

1758
01:50:31,770 --> 01:50:35,130
Right man in the black man have
to be able to sit down at the

1759
01:50:35,130 --> 01:50:38,400
same table for white men has to
feel free to speak his mind

1760
01:50:38,400 --> 01:50:41,190
without hurting the feelings are
both Negro. And the so called

1761
01:50:41,190 --> 01:50:44,190
Negro has to feel free to speak
his mind without hurting the

1762
01:50:44,190 --> 01:50:47,010
feelings of the right man, then
they can bring the issues that

1763
01:50:47,010 --> 01:50:49,350
are under the rug are on top of
the table and take an

1764
01:50:49,350 --> 01:50:51,870
intelligent approach to get the
problem solved. That's the only

1765
01:50:51,870 --> 01:50:53,100
way that they'll ever do it.

1766
01:50:53,490 --> 01:50:56,130
Yeah, and that's exactly what
we're doing here at mo facts

1767
01:50:56,130 --> 01:51:00,000
with Adam Curry and we are back
on our schedule and glad to see

1768
01:51:00,000 --> 01:51:03,810
that people are supporting the
show we've got the the producers

1769
01:51:03,810 --> 01:51:07,830
out in full force. This is value
for value is the only way this

1770
01:51:07,830 --> 01:51:12,450
will ever work. None of this is
gonna be a very dangerous show

1771
01:51:12,450 --> 01:51:16,350
to have advertiser we be without
advertisers one way or the

1772
01:51:16,350 --> 01:51:21,330
other. Because the first block a
block and you're done and you're

1773
01:51:21,330 --> 01:51:24,510
done. That's right. Oh, yes.
Like those guys, right? Yeah,

1774
01:51:24,510 --> 01:51:26,910
okay, I'm just getting a little
call, make sure they understand

1775
01:51:26,910 --> 01:51:30,630
what's going on. So to to make
sure we are immune from the

1776
01:51:30,630 --> 01:51:33,840
Boulay phone, we do value for
value. And you can support us

1777
01:51:34,020 --> 01:51:37,800
through PayPal and cash app and
a number of ways if you go to mo

1778
01:51:37,800 --> 01:51:40,440
fund me.com. And of course you
always want to take a look at

1779
01:51:40,440 --> 01:51:44,520
more facts calm. Everything's
out on there. And if you're

1780
01:51:44,520 --> 01:51:48,090
using a podcasting 2.0
compatible app, you can boost us

1781
01:51:48,420 --> 01:51:52,020
and I think we now have the
booster Grahams hooked up so you

1782
01:51:52,020 --> 01:51:55,680
can also send a message along
with that. And to find an app

1783
01:51:55,680 --> 01:51:59,220
for that go to new podcast apps
calm but for now we're going to

1784
01:51:59,220 --> 01:52:02,880
kick it off with our executive
producers for episode number 66.

1785
01:52:02,880 --> 01:52:06,450
We start right off with Sean
Carla 20

1786
01:52:06,450 --> 01:52:08,730
is blades on the Impala

1787
01:52:08,760 --> 01:52:13,530
$280 from Emily Andrews, the big
baller for today's show. She

1788
01:52:13,530 --> 01:52:16,800
write quite a no but it's a nice
one that I'm happy to share with

1789
01:52:16,800 --> 01:52:20,490
everybody. Moe and Adam, thank
you so much for the work the

1790
01:52:20,490 --> 01:52:22,800
past two years. Sorry for the
long note, but I feel like the

1791
01:52:22,800 --> 01:52:24,840
background to help you
understand where I'm coming from

1792
01:52:24,840 --> 01:52:27,930
and the impact your
conversations has had on me. I

1793
01:52:27,930 --> 01:52:31,350
believe your podcast single
handedly save me from mental

1794
01:52:31,350 --> 01:52:36,570
side. Which anything with the
word side in it and we're saving

1795
01:52:36,570 --> 01:52:38,940
you from it. I'm happy to say
that

1796
01:52:39,240 --> 01:52:42,840
I've seen this term cropping up.
So we need to keep on we need to

1797
01:52:42,840 --> 01:52:43,470
put them Yes.

1798
01:52:43,560 --> 01:52:47,610
In fact, I think I discussed it
on no agenda a few a few weeks

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01:52:47,610 --> 01:52:50,880
back men decide indeed. She
continues. I'm a white woman who

1800
01:52:50,880 --> 01:52:53,790
grew up in a suburb of the
Dallas, Texas area. I can

1801
01:52:53,790 --> 01:52:56,040
honestly say the growing up race
really wasn't something I

1802
01:52:56,040 --> 01:52:58,860
noticed. But it wasn't because I
didn't learn history. I learned

1803
01:52:58,860 --> 01:53:01,380
about slavery. Starting in the
first grade, I learned about Jim

1804
01:53:01,380 --> 01:53:03,750
Crow and the civil rights
movement into third grade. I

1805
01:53:03,750 --> 01:53:06,030
lived in a middle class
neighborhood with all colors and

1806
01:53:06,030 --> 01:53:08,880
religions races irrelevant in
the modern era. And I didn't

1807
01:53:08,880 --> 01:53:11,550
even associate it with different
cultures people were American

1808
01:53:11,670 --> 01:53:15,480
unless they told me otherwise.
When I went off to college at

1809
01:53:15,480 --> 01:53:17,850
the University of the University
of Texas, I was totally

1810
01:53:17,850 --> 01:53:20,910
blindsided by the idea that
racism was still such an issue

1811
01:53:20,910 --> 01:53:25,080
for people. I didn't even know
stereotype serotypes like black

1812
01:53:25,080 --> 01:53:28,170
people are criminals, or they
like fried chicken or they're

1813
01:53:28,170 --> 01:53:30,930
bad at school because I wasn't
in a culture that demonstrated

1814
01:53:30,930 --> 01:53:33,750
that or even mentioned it as a
thing. And of course being from

1815
01:53:33,750 --> 01:53:36,300
the south myself fried chicken
was a staple food and everyone

1816
01:53:36,300 --> 01:53:39,720
likes fried chicken. Even more
baffling to me was the people

1817
01:53:39,720 --> 01:53:42,510
who would loudly lambasted the
fact that these stereotypes

1818
01:53:42,510 --> 01:53:45,510
existed, would turn around and
act like they were reality.

1819
01:53:46,470 --> 01:53:49,650
Moving to Seattle, Washington,
it was even worse. The people

1820
01:53:49,650 --> 01:53:53,430
complaining about redlining the
most would often lament the

1821
01:53:53,430 --> 01:53:55,800
property value reduction when
black people moved into their

1822
01:53:55,800 --> 01:53:58,770
neighborhood. They were talking
about how it was just black

1823
01:53:58,770 --> 01:54:02,310
culture, to not want to excel in
schools and not to have fathers

1824
01:54:02,310 --> 01:54:05,160
in the house, which I knew
wasn't true. From my experience

1825
01:54:05,160 --> 01:54:08,520
in the south. They would
complain about gentrification

1826
01:54:08,520 --> 01:54:11,370
and white flight in the same
conversation. It was troubling.

1827
01:54:11,370 --> 01:54:14,070
But I finally came to the
conclusion that the cities and

1828
01:54:14,070 --> 01:54:16,560
the Northerners were still
suffering from racism and

1829
01:54:16,560 --> 01:54:20,250
weren't integrated yet. I wasn't
sure why, but what to do other

1830
01:54:20,250 --> 01:54:23,220
than to love the people where
they were and help them move to

1831
01:54:23,220 --> 01:54:26,700
less racist ideology. But my
heart finally broke when the

1832
01:54:26,700 --> 01:54:29,940
George Floyd race riots broke
out. It seemed like all the

1833
01:54:29,940 --> 01:54:33,450
childhood friends I love dearly
saw my skin color but for my

1834
01:54:33,450 --> 01:54:36,600
character, people I treated like
my sibling suddenly accused me

1835
01:54:36,600 --> 01:54:38,940
of being a white supremacist
because I was scared to have

1836
01:54:38,940 --> 01:54:41,790
people riding outside the
hospital while I was there for

1837
01:54:41,790 --> 01:54:45,990
preterm labor with twins at 28
weeks. Seems like the America

1838
01:54:45,990 --> 01:54:48,720
from my childhood was finally
dead and my children would never

1839
01:54:48,720 --> 01:54:53,160
experience it. A co worker of
mine I love this note, by the

1840
01:54:53,160 --> 01:54:57,000
way, this is like a co worker of
mine pointed me to your podcast

1841
01:54:57,000 --> 01:54:59,310
and honestly, it's been a huge
relief to know that my

1842
01:54:59,310 --> 01:55:02,550
observations These people aren't
just in my head. I feel like

1843
01:55:02,550 --> 01:55:04,830
this huge weight has been
lifted. And I have so much more

1844
01:55:04,830 --> 01:55:07,110
understanding about what's going
on with my black brothers and

1845
01:55:07,110 --> 01:55:10,380
sisters. Hearing the clips about
Malcolm X in particular has

1846
01:55:10,410 --> 01:55:13,470
opened my eyes about how even
what I consider to be a decently

1847
01:55:13,470 --> 01:55:16,350
accurate historical education
may have missed frame what was

1848
01:55:16,350 --> 01:55:19,260
going on. It's given me hope
that we can someday come

1849
01:55:19,260 --> 01:55:23,340
together as Americans. That a
couple of questions first, what

1850
01:55:23,340 --> 01:55:26,370
resources would you recommend to
learn more about Malcolm X? I've

1851
01:55:26,370 --> 01:55:28,620
tried to find some of his
speeches online, but they really

1852
01:55:28,620 --> 01:55:31,020
aren't accessible. Are there
books that would be good for

1853
01:55:31,020 --> 01:55:34,110
someone who wants to at least
supplement the education of the

1854
01:55:34,110 --> 01:55:36,780
public school system, if not
homeschooled, I was thinking

1855
01:55:36,780 --> 01:55:39,390
about creating some sort of
civil rights curriculum that

1856
01:55:39,390 --> 01:55:41,610
integrates your work, but I
don't want to steal your pancake

1857
01:55:41,610 --> 01:55:44,670
mix. So let me know if that's
cool. If I were to monetize, I

1858
01:55:44,670 --> 01:55:48,420
would like to offer 5050 but I'm
sure by i'm not sure i want to

1859
01:55:48,420 --> 01:55:51,120
monetize Jesse yet. Since this
would be for social good.

1860
01:55:51,900 --> 01:55:56,940
Mo. On the best resource is
YouTube, to be honest with you,

1861
01:55:56,940 --> 01:56:01,860
I mean, knave, people have
pieced together all his most of

1862
01:56:01,890 --> 01:56:06,570
the clips that are remaining.
And for a book wise, I always

1863
01:56:06,570 --> 01:56:09,480
just stick with the Alex Haley
version, even though we know

1864
01:56:09,480 --> 01:56:15,900
Alex Haley was I used to worry
like this, but maybe compromise

1865
01:56:15,900 --> 01:56:22,890
in a way to tamper now some of
Malcolm's rhetoric. So yeah,

1866
01:56:22,950 --> 01:56:27,300
those are to be my two main
sources. Because when you read

1867
01:56:27,300 --> 01:56:30,780
his clip, when you read his
quotes, they don't hit the same

1868
01:56:30,780 --> 01:56:31,620
way as when you hear.

1869
01:56:32,160 --> 01:56:38,490
Oh, I totally agree with that.
Yeah. It's funny. The middle

1870
01:56:38,490 --> 01:56:43,590
school teacher friend of ours
was over. And now she's very

1871
01:56:43,590 --> 01:56:48,420
progressive. And that's cool,
because we're friends. But I

1872
01:56:48,420 --> 01:56:52,980
asked her said something about,
you know, the queue is all hot

1873
01:56:52,980 --> 01:56:57,120
and bothered about, you know,
some some trial balloon that has

1874
01:56:57,120 --> 01:57:01,200
the teachers convinced that this
is going to be law against

1875
01:57:01,350 --> 01:57:04,020
teaching critical race theory,
and they won't be able to talk

1876
01:57:04,020 --> 01:57:07,290
about Frederick Douglass. I
mean, seriously. So this,

1877
01:57:07,290 --> 01:57:10,440
they've been convinced of this.
And I say, and I just in talking

1878
01:57:10,440 --> 01:57:12,300
to, I said, How about mock
Mexican? What do you think of

1879
01:57:12,300 --> 01:57:16,290
Malcolm X? Ted? Yeah, yeah.
Okay, you know, have you ever

1880
01:57:16,290 --> 01:57:20,100
read any Malcolm X or a bit? I
liked him a lot better after he

1881
01:57:20,100 --> 01:57:23,760
became Nation of Islam? Because
he was so anti American before

1882
01:57:23,760 --> 01:57:24,090
that.

1883
01:57:24,930 --> 01:57:27,840
Now, what she meant was when he
left the nation,

1884
01:57:27,870 --> 01:57:33,780
no, I asked her three times
Really? Yes. Yes. You liked

1885
01:57:33,780 --> 01:57:36,000
him before? I mean, like, you
know who he was. He was not

1886
01:57:36,300 --> 01:57:40,770
Detroit ran before he taught in
the nation. So maybe she didn't

1887
01:57:41,670 --> 01:57:42,810
want to come? I don't know.

1888
01:57:43,830 --> 01:57:46,710
Well, I continue. Second, what
do you envision a fully healed

1889
01:57:46,710 --> 01:57:49,620
America to look like? Is it like
the America of the childhood I

1890
01:57:49,620 --> 01:57:51,750
grew up in? Does it look like
something else?

1891
01:57:52,950 --> 01:57:59,250
But from my podcast, where you
can talk to people, but you're

1892
01:57:59,250 --> 01:58:02,520
not obligated to talk to people,
if you don't want to, I think

1893
01:58:02,520 --> 01:58:07,230
the falseness of it is ruining
everything by all that to check

1894
01:58:07,230 --> 01:58:10,830
these boxes, right. I gotta make
sure I have the right set

1895
01:58:10,830 --> 01:58:16,440
mixture of friends. And we need
you know, this gravitate to

1896
01:58:16,440 --> 01:58:18,600
people that you're comfortable
with. I mean, it seemed like

1897
01:58:18,600 --> 01:58:22,950
your neighborhood was that way.
And if I guess I just don't know

1898
01:58:22,950 --> 01:58:23,610
if this

1899
01:58:23,670 --> 01:58:26,550
i think i think it's completely
the opposite. I think it's a

1900
01:58:26,550 --> 01:58:32,130
complete illusion, that we're so
divided. It's all on Twitter.

1901
01:58:32,340 --> 01:58:36,390
It's all on television, that go
out to the county fair, you

1902
01:58:36,390 --> 01:58:42,030
know, go to a concert, go to a
comedy show even. I mean, yeah,

1903
01:58:42,030 --> 01:58:45,900
not everyone likes every single
job. But I think it's, it's, we

1904
01:58:45,900 --> 01:58:49,290
have much more so many more ways
of communicating this podcast as

1905
01:58:49,290 --> 01:58:51,540
an example. I think it's
actually a lot more in our heads

1906
01:58:51,540 --> 01:58:53,700
than we know. And we're just
being told it, you know, it's

1907
01:58:53,700 --> 01:58:54,900
almost like manifesting

1908
01:58:54,900 --> 01:58:57,750
it. Well, that's the thing,
people I mean, you use the word

1909
01:58:57,750 --> 01:59:00,300
illusion, and that's another
word for magic. Yes. Right. I

1910
01:59:00,300 --> 01:59:04,380
mean, that was your word, not
mine. So that people feel the

1911
01:59:04,380 --> 01:59:10,050
spell. Um, so we had to figure
out how we night make the spell

1912
01:59:10,050 --> 01:59:13,140
Nolan, boy, and then we'll get
back to where we need to be at.

1913
01:59:13,830 --> 01:59:18,240
Third. She asks a lot for a big
baller but big ballers a big

1914
01:59:18,240 --> 01:59:21,060
baller. You talk a lot about the
gender war. Do you have some

1915
01:59:21,060 --> 01:59:24,390
suggestions for things women
could be doing to support good

1916
01:59:24,390 --> 01:59:27,420
men? If you need a white woman
millennial for the gender bender

1917
01:59:27,420 --> 01:59:31,440
most of most x? I'm happy to
stand in, though perhaps with a

1918
01:59:31,440 --> 01:59:32,100
pseudonym.

1919
01:59:33,540 --> 01:59:37,200
The number one thing women can
do is support other women. We're

1920
01:59:37,200 --> 01:59:42,780
fine. We're fine. It's women
when they want to speak up for

1921
01:59:42,780 --> 01:59:47,010
what they like and men are the
ones that shame so so stick up

1922
01:59:47,010 --> 01:59:47,670
for your sister.

1923
01:59:48,419 --> 01:59:51,029
Also, is there any way we could
get most podcasts set up the

1924
01:59:51,029 --> 01:59:53,609
same way podcast 2.0
infrastructures the no agenda

1925
01:59:53,609 --> 01:59:57,329
podcast. I'd love to get some
chapters set up of the older

1926
01:59:57,329 --> 02:00:00,239
episodes. We're all for a
number. I don't know. How many

1927
02:00:00,239 --> 02:00:05,159
of you at least 10 or 15? have
chapters, which Dred Scott does.

1928
02:00:07,229 --> 02:00:11,879
Going back is actually something
you can do. Emily, if you get

1929
02:00:11,909 --> 02:00:17,519
the hyper catcher app, it's in
the app store and I think it's

1930
02:00:17,519 --> 02:00:24,119
only iPhone. Then you can set
the chapters, with images and

1931
02:00:24,119 --> 02:00:28,139
with, with comments as
suggestions. So you could do

1932
02:00:28,139 --> 02:00:30,359
that for any older show. You'd
want to do that for it. And then

1933
02:00:30,359 --> 02:00:31,979
you can do it while you're
listening. So that would be

1934
02:00:31,979 --> 02:00:32,729
really cool.

1935
02:00:33,720 --> 02:00:35,190
Then other people can help as
well.

1936
02:00:35,220 --> 02:00:39,210
Anybody can help with that.
Actually. Yes. Go find drab at

1937
02:00:39,210 --> 02:00:44,010
podcast, index dot social. And
to wind it up here for Emily.

1938
02:00:44,070 --> 02:00:49,920
She has please give me a D dead
beating. Congratulations. You're

1939
02:00:49,920 --> 02:00:54,480
no longer dead v. And she'd like
some good decision making karma.

1940
02:00:54,480 --> 02:00:57,540
She's considering quitting her
job to become a stay at home mom

1941
02:00:57,540 --> 02:01:00,000
with three young boys.

1942
02:01:00,330 --> 02:01:02,250
When she asked her own question
what she could do for me.

1943
02:01:03,630 --> 02:01:07,020
There you go. Best thing you can
do right there. Here's your

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02:01:07,020 --> 02:01:12,870
karma. Thank you very much.
You've got your sister in

1945
02:01:12,870 --> 02:01:17,160
Christ. Thank you very much,
Emily. Then we have a guest as

1946
02:01:17,160 --> 02:01:18,540
me good. Make good

1947
02:01:19,290 --> 02:01:24,540
for now say this. We did not
miss you, john. This is on a

1948
02:01:24,570 --> 02:01:29,190
cash app. You're out. I pulled
the spreadsheet every time and

1949
02:01:29,190 --> 02:01:32,130
your donations were not on the
last spreadsheet for some odd

1950
02:01:32,130 --> 02:01:34,620
reason. I don't know why. But I
mean, like I said, we're still

1951
02:01:34,620 --> 02:01:37,320
gonna bump you up to the top but
jack Dorsey hates you, john.

1952
02:01:38,010 --> 02:01:41,850
Yeah, this was an omission on
our part. We were very conscious

1953
02:01:41,850 --> 02:01:43,020
of that last show. Right. So

1954
02:01:43,320 --> 02:01:48,330
we got to get there. We got to
here we got 65 for Episode 65

1955
02:01:48,330 --> 02:01:54,570
and 66 as he comes in again, for
Episode 66 today, so we got you

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02:01:54,570 --> 02:01:57,840
there john would really
appreciate it. Madeline Riley,

1957
02:01:58,200 --> 02:02:02,010
another executive producer. I
love the show. $200 she sent

1958
02:02:02,220 --> 02:02:05,550
found yo when Adam was on higher
side chats, skipped around

1959
02:02:05,550 --> 02:02:08,310
listen a few episodes, but I've
now started starting with the

1960
02:02:08,310 --> 02:02:10,650
first one and somewhere in the
middle. It's very interesting to

1961
02:02:10,650 --> 02:02:12,990
go back and listen to the shows
that are more about current

1962
02:02:12,990 --> 02:02:15,870
events, Biden, Chinese buyers,
etc. and compared to what

1963
02:02:15,870 --> 02:02:18,840
actually happened. While sitting
on my patio listening to the

1964
02:02:18,840 --> 02:02:21,720
show, I was trying to decide how
much I wanted to donate. I

1965
02:02:21,720 --> 02:02:25,530
looked up and saw a hummingbird
two feet away from me. That has

1966
02:02:25,530 --> 02:02:28,860
never happened. A few minutes
later, I see the largest

1967
02:02:28,860 --> 02:02:32,250
butterfly I have ever seen as I
grab my phone to start the

1968
02:02:32,250 --> 02:02:38,340
donation process the time is 111
crazy. Sorry for the long

1969
02:02:38,340 --> 02:02:42,990
message appreciate your work.
Yes, it's called synchronicity.

1970
02:02:43,200 --> 02:02:44,790
Thank you very much Madeline and

1971
02:02:45,180 --> 02:02:48,630
messenger butter. Messenger.
Hummingbird is work. I told you

1972
02:02:48,660 --> 02:02:51,450
I don't know what work joke but
I love

1973
02:02:51,450 --> 02:02:53,880
that. I think that Hummingbird
isn't even really even a bird. I

1974
02:02:53,880 --> 02:02:57,540
think it's a it's an insect.
Really? Yeah, I think so. No,

1975
02:02:57,540 --> 02:03:00,420
ruin it for me. Though it could
be a bird for you.

1976
02:03:02,700 --> 02:03:04,800
I have tons of them out here. So
yeah, we

1977
02:03:04,800 --> 02:03:07,710
have one here. 210 is really
happy because she planted this

1978
02:03:07,710 --> 02:03:10,560
new thing with the pink flowers,
a purple flowers and

1979
02:03:10,980 --> 02:03:18,090
hummingbirds are on it. Duty six
B, also $200 Hi, Mo really

1980
02:03:18,090 --> 02:03:21,120
enjoyed your live stream last
night. I look forward to

1981
02:03:21,120 --> 02:03:23,880
catching more of those as they
happen. Your sharing is a

1982
02:03:23,880 --> 02:03:27,000
beautiful part of this amazing
journey I'm on after years of

1983
02:03:27,000 --> 02:03:31,170
challenges. I divorced in 2017.
After 35 years, and have grown

1984
02:03:31,170 --> 02:03:34,410
so much from all of the change
God or whatever we name it keeps

1985
02:03:34,410 --> 02:03:37,170
bringing wonderful teachers into
my world that I'm so very

1986
02:03:37,170 --> 02:03:40,170
grateful. I appreciate your
openness and hard work. And this

1987
02:03:40,170 --> 02:03:43,260
is just a downpayment. Best of
wishes to you and your sweet

1988
02:03:43,260 --> 02:03:45,000
family. Isn't that nice?

1989
02:03:45,360 --> 02:03:48,600
Can I ask people to do one
thing? I know people don't watch

1990
02:03:48,600 --> 02:03:52,710
it on YouTube. But go and
comment and like do videos.

1991
02:03:53,040 --> 02:03:57,000
Because what it does is it
tricks the algorithm to bring

1992
02:03:57,000 --> 02:04:00,960
more people in, um, and then we
can siphon them off for YouTube.

1993
02:04:01,020 --> 02:04:01,590
That's the whole

1994
02:04:02,400 --> 02:04:05,430
the whole point is to help help
us siphon siphon it off a

1995
02:04:05,430 --> 02:04:06,270
YouTube please.

1996
02:04:06,330 --> 02:04:08,610
That's exactly what we're trying
to do. We're taking we're taking

1997
02:04:08,610 --> 02:04:12,540
them off to podcasting 2.0 and
we got to get them in I got him

1998
02:04:12,540 --> 02:04:16,740
in the loop first. Very close to
the live streaming podcast apps.

1999
02:04:16,740 --> 02:04:18,450
I'm waiting for it and I'm
waiting.

2000
02:04:18,510 --> 02:04:21,750
Yeah since a lot of smart people
a lot smarter me working on it.

2001
02:04:23,250 --> 02:04:28,530
Okay, we've got our last
executive producer Brian mass

2002
02:04:29,010 --> 02:04:36,870
$100 addition to the mandate
funds. The mandate fund in de

2003
02:04:36,870 --> 02:04:39,870
Thank you very much. Then
associate executive producer

2004
02:04:39,870 --> 02:04:43,710
Jonathan Peckham 6669 says love
was lit. Thanks for all you do

2005
02:04:43,860 --> 02:04:46,890
triple gold, WUSA karma. I think
we can do that.

2006
02:04:55,770 --> 02:05:06,300
You've gone All right, there we
go. Christopher Belsky 6633 Hey

2007
02:05:06,300 --> 02:05:09,930
mon Adam fursan overdue deducing
is an order. Well, you know what

2008
02:05:09,930 --> 02:05:14,820
do we do here is we deadbeat. So
we're going to give you a D dead

2009
02:05:14,820 --> 02:05:22,830
beating. Congratulation, you're
no longer a deadbeat. I started

2010
02:05:22,830 --> 02:05:25,230
listening after Adam mentioned
the show during his appearance

2011
02:05:25,230 --> 02:05:27,540
on the higher side chats in
January while that really

2012
02:05:27,540 --> 02:05:31,260
worked, like that show. Your
deconstruction of the dark

2013
02:05:31,260 --> 02:05:33,900
forces and symbolism hiding
behind the shiny veneer of

2014
02:05:33,900 --> 02:05:37,200
public figures and events has
been invaluable in transforming

2015
02:05:37,200 --> 02:05:40,260
the way I see this brave new
world of ours. Looking forward

2016
02:05:40,260 --> 02:05:42,540
to enjoying the show on the new
schedule. We'll hit some more

2017
02:05:42,540 --> 02:05:45,390
people in the mouth in order to
see it continue to grow. I see

2018
02:05:45,390 --> 02:05:47,670
how much work goes into each
episode and personally think

2019
02:05:47,670 --> 02:05:50,340
that a deserved donation
segments at least as robust as

2020
02:05:50,340 --> 02:05:53,820
no agenda. You're here. Thanks
for everything you do. So mo

2021
02:05:53,820 --> 02:05:57,000
jobs and relationship karma
would be greatly appreciated.

2022
02:05:57,450 --> 02:06:00,720
Yeah. We don't have an actual
jobs karma.

2023
02:06:01,410 --> 02:06:07,050
Do we do we don't but we but we
really wish you jobs. We

2024
02:06:07,050 --> 02:06:13,650
wish you good jobs karma with
this one. That stuff does work.

2025
02:06:13,650 --> 02:06:18,330
That one everyone talks about?
Chris Bailey $66 his note. Thank

2026
02:06:18,330 --> 02:06:21,630
you, gentlemen. And we thank
you, Chris Bailey, a cult fan,

2027
02:06:21,630 --> 02:06:24,960
sir Nathan Lee, and I'm going to
edit a little bit of his notice

2028
02:06:24,960 --> 02:06:27,420
in this a long note, sir Nathan
Lee says, Hey, Mona Adam,

2029
02:06:27,420 --> 02:06:30,990
congratulations on running such
an excellent show. By the way, I

2030
02:06:30,990 --> 02:06:33,330
have a lot of contact with sir
Nathan. He's very interesting

2031
02:06:33,330 --> 02:06:38,040
guy. You want to talk to you
want to talk spells. He's your

2032
02:06:38,040 --> 02:06:41,130
man. Yeah. Your work is part of
it will be helping heal our

2033
02:06:41,130 --> 02:06:44,520
world moving forward. There's an
American Revolution coming. The

2034
02:06:44,520 --> 02:06:47,940
astrological work of Molly
McCord is worth taking the time

2035
02:06:47,940 --> 02:06:51,450
to learn from find Molly mccords
the upcoming American Revolution

2036
02:06:51,450 --> 02:06:54,090
playlist on YouTube to learn
more take notes and take the

2037
02:06:54,090 --> 02:06:58,350
time. Just listen to what you
subscribe. Just listen to what

2038
02:06:58,350 --> 02:07:02,130
she did from this note I did
cool. Just listen to see what

2039
02:07:02,130 --> 02:07:05,910
she says if anything you're not
familiar with astrology Before

2040
02:07:05,910 --> 02:07:08,070
we go further for fans of The
Hobbit and The Lord of the

2041
02:07:08,070 --> 02:07:11,670
Rings. Both heroes Bilbo and
Frodo are born in the books and

2042
02:07:11,670 --> 02:07:15,720
then the films are born on
September 22. This is often when

2043
02:07:15,720 --> 02:07:19,140
leaburg begins which is one of
four cardinal points in this

2044
02:07:19,140 --> 02:07:23,070
case, the fall equinox. It's
also my birthday. So even though

2045
02:07:23,070 --> 02:07:26,640
it's next Wednesday on a noon
show Wednesday, which is mercury

2046
02:07:26,670 --> 02:07:28,980
by non show Wednesday, which is
mercury no

2047
02:07:28,980 --> 02:07:32,580
such thing as a nice show
Wednesday. Hint hint.

2048
02:07:33,390 --> 02:07:38,010
Here would you say? That's
right. Exactly. There's always a

2049
02:07:38,010 --> 02:07:44,070
show on some Wednesdays Okay,
Wednesday, which is mercury Yes.

2050
02:07:44,070 --> 02:07:47,580
McCurdy, the God of art,
commerce and communication whose

2051
02:07:47,580 --> 02:07:53,430
color is orange. I would like a
biscuit for my 22nd 20 September

2052
02:07:53,430 --> 02:07:58,050
22 birthday. I'm turning 37
WUSA, and please give a shout

2053
02:07:58,050 --> 02:08:01,320
out to my man Joey J. I'll take
some mo karma for the LP I'm

2054
02:08:01,320 --> 02:08:04,860
working on if I weren't busy
enough for just started my show

2055
02:08:04,860 --> 02:08:08,940
six of swords That one's backup.
So a mohawk. So I want to uh,

2056
02:08:08,940 --> 02:08:13,590
WUSA, please gbg. onwards. Great
word, gentlemen. I'm impressed

2057
02:08:13,680 --> 02:08:17,010
and more so I'm grateful sir
Nathan Lee. They always

2058
02:08:17,010 --> 02:08:22,860
give me a biscuit on my birth
control on a goat for karma.

2059
02:08:24,510 --> 02:08:25,320
You've got

2060
02:08:28,380 --> 02:08:32,100
66 from clay Wilson. Mo he says
the quality of the show just

2061
02:08:32,100 --> 02:08:35,880
keeps improving and 65 was a
particularly great episode. Whoo

2062
02:08:35,880 --> 02:08:38,970
sauce for everyone. Hopefully
quick question. Have you seen

2063
02:08:38,970 --> 02:08:41,130
the HBO series Lovecraft
country?

2064
02:08:41,580 --> 02:08:44,760
Have you have not not not
watched it but now I'm happy to

2065
02:08:44,760 --> 02:08:48,660
go back and watch it, but a
tragic loss of microwave

2066
02:08:50,460 --> 02:08:53,940
not to give away the whole plot
but it revolves around an A das

2067
02:08:53,940 --> 02:08:57,870
man in 1950s. America discovers
he is the last male line of an

2068
02:08:57,900 --> 02:09:01,230
ancient magical bloodline, and
the efforts and the efforts of

2069
02:09:01,230 --> 02:09:05,670
two competing covens Calvin's
attempt to sacrifice him to

2070
02:09:05,670 --> 02:09:08,880
control his power beyond
broadcasting many of the themes

2071
02:09:08,880 --> 02:09:13,200
you've alluded to in many
episodes it is genuinely worth a

2072
02:09:13,200 --> 02:09:16,290
watch and quite entertaining if
not a little distressing. It

2073
02:09:16,290 --> 02:09:20,040
also features the new sadly now
late Michael k Williams aka Omar

2074
02:09:20,040 --> 02:09:24,270
of the wire. If you made it that
far. Look into what was planned

2075
02:09:24,270 --> 02:09:28,320
from the show runners for the
now cancelled season. Go

2076
02:09:28,320 --> 02:09:39,900
podcasting? Yes, everybody. Got
to watch that too. I gotta watch

2077
02:09:39,900 --> 02:09:45,480
this. This I gotta watch this
2017 movie from Oprah.

2078
02:09:47,370 --> 02:09:48,090
Very busy.

2079
02:09:48,210 --> 02:09:49,650
It's gonna be super busy.

2080
02:09:50,730 --> 02:09:54,690
Time that is small doses telling
small in small doses because you

2081
02:09:54,690 --> 02:09:58,410
know, I mean trauma based
entertainment. Yes, you have to

2082
02:09:58,440 --> 02:09:59,670
take in a small it can

2083
02:09:59,670 --> 02:10:03,690
hurt the amygdala. That's true.
That's absolutely true. Edwin

2084
02:10:03,690 --> 02:10:07,500
Torres 55 gbg gave blacks guns
and forgot to request deadbeat

2085
02:10:07,500 --> 02:10:10,110
on my first day nation and can
have a biscuit for my birthday

2086
02:10:10,110 --> 02:10:13,830
on 928 you bet always give me a
biscuit on my birthday.

2087
02:10:15,540 --> 02:10:21,840
Congratulations. You're no
longer a deadbeat crystal Hart's

2088
02:10:22,440 --> 02:10:25,290
associate executive producer of
$50 we thank you Chris summer

2089
02:10:25,290 --> 02:10:29,250
Norris $50. Mo is the professor
I wish I'd had in my African

2090
02:10:29,250 --> 02:10:32,640
American lit class circa late
90s. Washington State University

2091
02:10:32,700 --> 02:10:36,930
fascinating dive into the
history of Cosby. I loved it

2092
02:10:36,930 --> 02:10:43,140
too. So good. Ramon Johnson $50,
our final Executive Associate

2093
02:10:43,170 --> 02:10:47,970
associate executive producer for
Episode Number 66 with $50. And

2094
02:10:48,300 --> 02:10:51,540
Ramon says, Why not be honest
with people about pop control?

2095
02:10:52,710 --> 02:10:53,820
Are we not honest about

2096
02:10:55,440 --> 02:10:57,600
the show is about population
control. What

2097
02:10:57,600 --> 02:10:59,070
shall we listen to remote?

2098
02:11:00,750 --> 02:11:03,390
That's the whole point of
everything. I mean, we said that

2099
02:11:03,900 --> 02:11:08,730
earlier. Earlier shows that
that's all roads lead to

2100
02:11:09,480 --> 02:11:12,570
population control. I mean, it's
kind of like the maybe we don't

2101
02:11:12,780 --> 02:11:14,700
talk about it enough. But it's
like, understood.

2102
02:11:16,140 --> 02:11:18,690
Yeah, I think it's been it's
been a continuing theme

2103
02:11:18,690 --> 02:11:20,250
throughout everything. Yeah.

2104
02:11:20,430 --> 02:11:23,040
Right. It's like kind of my
people I want you to do a show

2105
02:11:23,040 --> 02:11:25,710
on Oprah It's like she cuz she
comes up in almost every

2106
02:11:25,890 --> 02:11:26,550
episode.

2107
02:11:26,880 --> 02:11:31,560
By the way, do you know that the
the CNN, Doctor lady who's you

2108
02:11:31,560 --> 02:11:34,470
know who's on who's now always
on saying, Oh, you know, make

2109
02:11:34,470 --> 02:11:38,640
them have a vaccine passport to
go on airplanes and trains. You

2110
02:11:38,640 --> 02:11:42,330
don't have the right you know
who she is? Lena. Wait, no. She

2111
02:11:42,360 --> 02:11:46,530
She was the former she's the
former CEO of Planned

2112
02:11:46,530 --> 02:11:47,130
Parenthood.

2113
02:11:48,030 --> 02:11:51,450
Oh, yeah. I didn't know that.
Yeah, I mean, Case in point. I

2114
02:11:51,450 --> 02:11:54,450
mean, what do you Genesis right
out in front with this one?

2115
02:11:54,480 --> 02:11:58,410
Maybe because we say you Genesis
people don't might link that the

2116
02:11:58,410 --> 02:11:59,880
population control but

2117
02:11:59,970 --> 02:12:06,090
well just go look at the
population mom. This is it's the

2118
02:12:06,090 --> 02:12:09,000
same people, some of them are
still around today with the

2119
02:12:09,000 --> 02:12:13,260
climate change hoopla. They've
always been the they being the

2120
02:12:13,260 --> 02:12:16,260
elites have always complained
about having too many people.

2121
02:12:16,440 --> 02:12:21,210
That's gonna get out of control.
What are you gonna do? And, and

2122
02:12:21,210 --> 02:12:24,300
that's the core of the Genesis
and then we get the Nazis we

2123
02:12:24,300 --> 02:12:26,610
brought in, apparently, and
they're still doing cool

2124
02:12:26,610 --> 02:12:29,340
experiments. Great time.

2125
02:12:31,020 --> 02:12:34,350
We don't talk about a name but
that's the whole spirit of

2126
02:12:34,410 --> 02:12:38,190
what's going on pretty much it
and pretty. They want us dead

2127
02:12:38,190 --> 02:12:40,680
folks. One way or another go.
Thank

2128
02:12:40,679 --> 02:12:43,319
you very much to these executive
producer and associate executive

2129
02:12:43,319 --> 02:12:46,289
producer of Episode Number 66 of
mo faxes. Adam Curry will be

2130
02:12:46,289 --> 02:12:49,109
thanking some more people in
another segment coming up. But

2131
02:12:49,109 --> 02:12:50,939
right now let's get back to the
show.

2132
02:12:53,580 --> 02:12:57,420
So Ramon wanted some population
control. So 30

2133
02:12:57,600 --> 02:13:00,390
China tried to ship enough
fentanyl into the United States

2134
02:13:00,390 --> 02:13:02,640
to kill everybody in the US.

2135
02:13:03,030 --> 02:13:05,010
Yeah, I'm in agreement with
that.

2136
02:13:06,210 --> 02:13:11,160
Well, sadly, it killed one of
our favorite people, Omar now.

2137
02:13:11,790 --> 02:13:16,260
Michael K. Williams. I am so we
have to talk about it. Because

2138
02:13:16,260 --> 02:13:20,850
you're a newly minted wire fan,
which I think wire can have it

2139
02:13:20,850 --> 02:13:25,890
on like what's it called?
cosplay or Comic Con like you

2140
02:13:26,130 --> 02:13:29,220
that shows problem where you
could probably have that now but

2141
02:13:29,310 --> 02:13:33,300
Oh, yeah. Because when people
like everybody said, Oh my god,

2142
02:13:33,300 --> 02:13:37,530
Omar died. Omar died. I was like
what? Who? raised me like oh,

2143
02:13:37,920 --> 02:13:39,570
Omar and it's like so?

2144
02:13:40,380 --> 02:13:43,290
Oh, yeah, I mean it I
immediately knew it because I

2145
02:13:43,290 --> 02:13:46,470
just just fresh from watching.
So that's why I like Oh, man.

2146
02:13:47,760 --> 02:13:51,510
You just, you know, make
everybody aware that you had

2147
02:13:51,510 --> 02:13:56,160
finished the wire last show.
Yeah. Now this so? Well, we got

2148
02:13:56,160 --> 02:13:59,130
to talk about it. So let's go
ahead and get into 31. But more

2149
02:13:59,130 --> 02:13:59,610
now on

2150
02:13:59,610 --> 02:14:02,550
the breaking news we've been
following tonight the death of

2151
02:14:02,550 --> 02:14:05,040
actor Michael K. Williams who
was found dead inside his

2152
02:14:05,040 --> 02:14:07,740
apartment in Brooklyn. And
EYEWITNESS NEWS REPORTER Lucy

2153
02:14:07,740 --> 02:14:10,020
Yang is live outside his
apartment in Williamsburg now

2154
02:14:10,050 --> 02:14:11,010
with more Lucy.

2155
02:14:13,740 --> 02:14:18,660
What David family friends co
stars and fans are reeling from

2156
02:14:18,660 --> 02:14:22,800
the death of Michael Kenneth
Williams. today. We're in

2157
02:14:22,800 --> 02:14:25,860
Williamsburg in front of the
luxury condo where officials

2158
02:14:25,860 --> 02:14:30,150
confirm the 54 year old actor
was found inside his penthouse

2159
02:14:30,150 --> 02:14:33,870
apartment by your nephew around
two o'clock this afternoon.

2160
02:14:34,080 --> 02:14:38,160
Officials report there was drug
paraphernalia around his body.

2161
02:14:38,280 --> 02:14:42,510
The me is on site right now and
will determine if this was a

2162
02:14:42,510 --> 02:14:46,080
drug overdose. His body has not
yet been removed from his

2163
02:14:46,080 --> 02:14:49,560
apartment. The Brooklyn born
actor grew up in NYCHA housing

2164
02:14:49,560 --> 02:14:53,130
in East Flatbush, he went on to
win critical acclaim for his

2165
02:14:53,130 --> 02:14:57,210
many roles, including for his
portrayal of Omar little in the

2166
02:14:57,210 --> 02:15:02,280
HBO series, the wire, a gritty
shows set in the drug dealing

2167
02:15:02,280 --> 02:15:06,390
underworld of New York City. It
may have been a little too close

2168
02:15:06,390 --> 02:15:11,220
to reality of drugs did play a
role in the actor's death. HBO

2169
02:15:11,220 --> 02:15:14,910
just a few minutes ago released
a statement mourning the loss of

2170
02:15:14,910 --> 02:15:19,620
their HBO family member of more
than 20 years. Michael K.

2171
02:15:19,620 --> 02:15:22,590
Williams was 54 years old.

2172
02:15:23,970 --> 02:15:30,480
New York City. Yeah, get a rope.
No, she said it was the wire was

2173
02:15:30,480 --> 02:15:31,620
based in New York. Oh, she

2174
02:15:31,620 --> 02:15:38,730
said that. Oh, crap. What an
idiot. Baltimore one job. Get

2175
02:15:38,730 --> 02:15:40,620
the obituary, right lady?

2176
02:15:43,830 --> 02:15:47,010
Come like, What? How do you get
that wrong?

2177
02:15:47,040 --> 02:15:51,840
Because she was confused with
Brooklyn and all that was no but

2178
02:15:51,960 --> 02:15:54,600
still, that's how they get
everything wrong. It's always

2179
02:15:54,600 --> 02:16:00,180
wrong. You know, I just speak to
general observation, General

2180
02:16:00,210 --> 02:16:06,570
macro observation. With the
knowledge that the CIA most

2181
02:16:06,570 --> 02:16:09,870
likely is always been running
the drugs out of Afghanistan,

2182
02:16:09,870 --> 02:16:14,550
the poppies or process or not
whatever, to see Denzel

2183
02:16:14,550 --> 02:16:19,950
Washington and American Gangster
True story. Right. Afghanistan,

2184
02:16:20,070 --> 02:16:24,570
that whole thing blew up and we
pulled out. And the next day

2185
02:16:24,600 --> 02:16:29,640
we've got people dying from
fentanyl. Or at least the

2186
02:16:29,640 --> 02:16:31,530
stories are showing up in the
news.

2187
02:16:32,070 --> 02:16:34,830
Yeah, I mean, maybe Dallas is
2016 I know.

2188
02:16:34,860 --> 02:16:39,360
But they resigned from fentanyl,
not from heroin. And it just

2189
02:16:39,390 --> 02:16:42,450
it's like it ratcheted it up.
It's like Whoa, did the CIA

2190
02:16:42,450 --> 02:16:45,390
supply really truly get shut
off? Do they have no way to

2191
02:16:45,390 --> 02:16:48,780
bring it in anymore? And
therefore it's all fentanyl. I

2192
02:16:48,780 --> 02:16:53,370
mean, it was it as Alec says
it's truly an attack. The

2193
02:16:53,370 --> 02:16:56,130
Chinese this this probably
you're still pissed off over the

2194
02:16:56,130 --> 02:16:59,190
Opium Wars, even though that was
the Brits but okay.

2195
02:17:00,000 --> 02:17:03,000
Well, we had to back up a little
bit, because we talked about

2196
02:17:03,000 --> 02:17:08,130
planned obsolescence, right that
you have to send it like with

2197
02:17:08,130 --> 02:17:13,860
heroin, it takes so long. And I
say that like so morbidly with

2198
02:17:13,890 --> 02:17:16,800
the leaves look like cow we
gotta wait from the die.

2199
02:17:17,340 --> 02:17:19,170
Like Skid Row, like Skid Row.
That's where

2200
02:17:21,120 --> 02:17:26,460
you know, we need some hardcore
something one hitter that's

2201
02:17:26,460 --> 02:17:30,300
gonna kill him. And something
that we can put into every drug

2202
02:17:30,300 --> 02:17:34,530
because just from my research,
Michael k k whales drug but he

2203
02:17:34,530 --> 02:17:38,490
struggled with cocaine, heroin,
and they said drug

2204
02:17:38,490 --> 02:17:42,600
paraphernalia, so that makes you
think like, he has stems and not

2205
02:17:42,600 --> 02:17:46,470
asking me spoons and spikes in a
bill and those kinds of things

2206
02:17:46,470 --> 02:17:52,740
all around them. Right. So what?
He never out all the clips I've

2207
02:17:52,740 --> 02:17:55,470
looked through. He never
mentioned anything about using

2208
02:17:55,500 --> 02:17:56,310
heroin. Yes.

2209
02:17:56,940 --> 02:18:00,420
This is a known unknown fact
that this is now popping up in

2210
02:18:00,420 --> 02:18:03,330
cocaine. In particular in in
Brooklyn.

2211
02:18:03,840 --> 02:18:07,350
And weed. In weed. Yes.

2212
02:18:08,580 --> 02:18:10,260
Okay, now you have my attention.

2213
02:18:11,039 --> 02:18:14,339
No, I'm serious. I'm serious by
this. I actually posted on my

2214
02:18:14,369 --> 02:18:19,229
arm. On my Twitter page. There
is no, I mean, why would

2215
02:18:19,229 --> 02:18:21,719
anything they sprinkle anything
on weed? Right? They were doing

2216
02:18:21,719 --> 02:18:28,079
the same thing with like, LSD,
LSD, but PCP. Um, you know, for

2217
02:18:28,079 --> 02:18:31,049
a while they were doing that,
and they were doing a embalming

2218
02:18:31,049 --> 02:18:34,709
fluid for right. Wow. I mean, if
you got trash weed, you got to

2219
02:18:34,709 --> 02:18:39,299
move it. Why not? You know,
sprinkle something on it. And

2220
02:18:39,599 --> 02:18:42,749
this is why I brought the story
up. And we're not as you're

2221
02:18:42,749 --> 02:18:51,269
saying fitting. Oh, yeah. carfit
now can't wear that no, car

2222
02:18:51,269 --> 02:18:58,979
fentanyl is like the is like the
it's like, I think maybe heart

2223
02:18:58,979 --> 02:19:00,209
are strong and fit now.

2224
02:19:00,960 --> 02:19:05,970
It's like the methane of natural
gas. Right. Geez.

2225
02:19:06,630 --> 02:19:08,970
This stuff is taking people I
mean, like,

2226
02:19:08,970 --> 02:19:13,830
Well, I know. I know. I know. I
know. I've been sent a message

2227
02:19:13,830 --> 02:19:17,010
to my stepdaughter. She's New
York and she's 24 hours a day.

2228
02:19:17,010 --> 02:19:17,880
Just Don't be an idiot.

2229
02:19:18,809 --> 02:19:21,089
Right? Because you don't know
what your investors think about

2230
02:19:21,089 --> 02:19:24,389
it. It's not like before, I
mean, they're pressing appeals

2231
02:19:24,389 --> 02:19:29,729
and it's what what I think
happened is even if you can't It

2232
02:19:29,729 --> 02:19:35,129
is so such a small dose that you
can't separate saying like, if

2233
02:19:35,129 --> 02:19:39,089
you get like a little clump with
seasoning your food. If you just

2234
02:19:39,089 --> 02:19:42,929
say like you get a little clump
of strong seasoning when you

2235
02:19:42,929 --> 02:19:44,459
bite into one bite. You're dead.

2236
02:19:44,760 --> 02:19:47,910
Oh, no, I know it. There's been
cops who have just been around

2237
02:19:47,910 --> 02:19:49,500
it and they and they almost die.

2238
02:19:50,010 --> 02:19:54,270
Right. And so I think with him
when they said drug

2239
02:19:54,270 --> 02:19:58,200
paraphernalia. I don't actually
I know everything he talked

2240
02:19:58,200 --> 02:20:03,840
about was cocaine. So what's
really going on here but as we

2241
02:20:03,840 --> 02:20:06,570
talked about before I think
they're they're cleaning up

2242
02:20:06,570 --> 02:20:14,760
streets that mean this is Vegas
crate and especially if you're

2243
02:20:14,790 --> 02:20:18,300
thinking about it with the how
Baltimore you need to get the

2244
02:20:18,300 --> 02:20:22,140
people and the sad thing about
it is the addicts are going to

2245
02:20:22,140 --> 02:20:22,740
chase it

2246
02:20:23,610 --> 02:20:26,850
oh yeah oh yeah if they make it
through it they'll want it

2247
02:20:27,630 --> 02:20:30,060
yeah I mean somebody died and
like that was the one to ruin

2248
02:20:30,060 --> 02:20:32,970
things on wire right when make
some money have a good package

2249
02:20:33,180 --> 02:20:37,260
to Mike die overdose all the
rest of the addicts we're

2250
02:20:37,260 --> 02:20:39,060
looking for that package.

2251
02:20:39,990 --> 02:20:43,080
Yeah, I'm just looking at some
some new stories has been going

2252
02:20:43,080 --> 02:20:46,530
on for about a year and a half
or two years looks like with

2253
02:20:46,530 --> 02:20:50,460
that car fit now. It just says
fentanyl as a just a note on

2254
02:20:50,460 --> 02:20:51,120
research.

2255
02:20:51,480 --> 02:20:55,140
This was saying I think this
misnomer. I don't know why

2256
02:20:55,140 --> 02:20:59,580
they're not using the proper
term for cuz they're two totally

2257
02:20:59,580 --> 02:21:03,870
different substances. And it's
called everybody just I didn't

2258
02:21:03,870 --> 02:21:07,200
know that carfentanil I think
it's nice to have the tea in

2259
02:21:07,230 --> 02:21:11,370
though it's like carfentanil
without the tea. Okay, also look

2260
02:21:11,370 --> 02:21:16,320
into it. But yeah, it's like 10
or 100 times stronger than

2261
02:21:16,320 --> 02:21:21,330
fitting Oh, well it's bad enough
in itself Yeah. Me Like so. What

2262
02:21:21,330 --> 02:21:27,990
are we doing here and a night um
yeah, so I want to get into his

2263
02:21:28,020 --> 02:21:33,030
backstory here with Michael k
Williams is no supersedes his

2264
02:21:33,690 --> 02:21:38,250
like drug use. Um, let's get
into where we're at. Let's get

2265
02:21:38,250 --> 02:21:42,120
into 32 and this is Michael K.
Williams death leaves painful

2266
02:21:42,120 --> 02:21:42,600
void

2267
02:21:43,800 --> 02:21:46,710
How many times have you been
arrested as an adult Mr. Little

2268
02:21:47,370 --> 02:21:48,090
lost count.

2269
02:21:49,110 --> 02:21:51,300
He was the tour de force on
screen

2270
02:21:51,300 --> 02:21:53,730
and in the kind of put my gun on
no citizen.

2271
02:21:54,810 --> 02:21:59,190
You are a moral. You are a
parasite leeches off just like

2272
02:21:59,190 --> 02:22:00,960
you culture of drugs. Excuse

2273
02:22:00,960 --> 02:22:03,630
me. I got the shotgun.

2274
02:22:05,610 --> 02:22:12,330
Got the briefcase. Still in the
game though, right. known for

2275
02:22:12,330 --> 02:22:15,510
playing what many would go on to
call the greatest character on

2276
02:22:15,510 --> 02:22:21,360
television ever. Omar Liddell,
from the white man cadaver Co.

2277
02:22:22,020 --> 02:22:25,650
Michael K. Williams, the beloved
actor and performer from East

2278
02:22:25,650 --> 02:22:28,470
Flatbush, Brooklyn was found
dead in his New York apartment

2279
02:22:28,500 --> 02:22:29,700
on Monday afternoon.

2280
02:22:30,029 --> 02:22:33,089
A family member discovered
Williams dead drug paraphernalia

2281
02:22:33,209 --> 02:22:35,309
was found in the home. While the
cause

2282
02:22:35,310 --> 02:22:39,360
of his death is still unknown.
The NYPD is investigating it as

2283
02:22:39,360 --> 02:22:43,980
a possible drug overdose things
where you never expect someone

2284
02:22:43,980 --> 02:22:47,220
who seems to be at the prime of
their career to come to

2285
02:22:47,220 --> 02:22:51,420
something like this. Williams
electrifying audiences with

2286
02:22:51,420 --> 02:22:54,510
rousing and chilling
performances as chalky white in

2287
02:22:54,510 --> 02:22:57,090
the period gangster series
Boardwalk Empire.

2288
02:22:57,180 --> 02:23:02,040
He's here my dad tunes. What do
you got to do with well,

2289
02:23:05,850 --> 02:23:07,980
building no bookcase,

2290
02:23:08,400 --> 02:23:12,570
inmate Friday night in the night
of and most recently as Montrose

2291
02:23:12,570 --> 02:23:16,290
Freeman. The complicated
closeted father in Lovecraft

2292
02:23:16,290 --> 02:23:16,860
country.

2293
02:23:19,200 --> 02:23:22,470
One of my favorite roles. His
was the Boardwalk Empire and

2294
02:23:22,470 --> 02:23:28,500
Boardwalk Empire with a Yeah,
that was good. Yeah. Everybody

2295
02:23:28,500 --> 02:23:31,290
talks about it like the why I
mean, of course, cuz that was

2296
02:23:31,290 --> 02:23:36,480
his breakout. Right. That was a
great show. And he had a very

2297
02:23:36,480 --> 02:23:41,970
interesting role that he played
in that in that period piece. So

2298
02:23:42,150 --> 02:23:44,220
this is just the backdrop once
again, you hear drug

2299
02:23:44,220 --> 02:23:46,860
paraphernalia? I don't know what
they're doing with that. I mean,

2300
02:23:46,860 --> 02:23:51,660
like, I mean, why why are they
stressed in the paraphernalia

2301
02:23:51,660 --> 02:23:54,210
thing? it what it does? In my
mind, it just paints the picture

2302
02:23:54,210 --> 02:23:57,210
of like, they're trying to say
it's like a heroin overdose,

2303
02:23:57,210 --> 02:23:59,640
because that's just what

2304
02:24:00,810 --> 02:24:03,390
that's certainly what you think
about Yeah, right.

2305
02:24:03,420 --> 02:24:06,300
So I'm just just, that's what
I'm saying with that, but so

2306
02:24:06,300 --> 02:24:10,950
they're gonna go on and speak
more and part two about his, his

2307
02:24:11,400 --> 02:24:13,980
addiction and his accolades.

2308
02:24:14,189 --> 02:24:17,009
But it was that distinctive scar
on his face that changed the

2309
02:24:17,009 --> 02:24:20,969
trajectory of his entire career.
You're not nearly as scary as I

2310
02:24:20,969 --> 02:24:23,969
thought you were going to be the
actor telling Dan Harris in 2008

2311
02:24:23,999 --> 02:24:24,779
how he got it,

2312
02:24:25,080 --> 02:24:30,240
you know, 25 years old, barroom
brawl, drinking and drugging,

2313
02:24:30,390 --> 02:24:31,500
you know, out of my mind,

2314
02:24:31,529 --> 02:24:34,889
it became this distinctive
defining characteristic of him.

2315
02:24:35,099 --> 02:24:38,639
That sort of helped him create
the balance between edge and

2316
02:24:38,639 --> 02:24:42,899
tenderness and, you know, this
hardened past but a hope for a

2317
02:24:42,899 --> 02:24:43,859
warmer future.

2318
02:24:44,220 --> 02:24:46,530
And I will put a bullet in all
your bio and what happened right

2319
02:24:46,530 --> 02:24:47,520
now you are,

2320
02:24:48,120 --> 02:24:51,780
but it was his nuanced role as
Omar Liddell in the wire, a

2321
02:24:51,780 --> 02:24:55,260
black openly gay hustler that
was unheard of in Hollywood,

2322
02:24:55,650 --> 02:24:57,750
which cemented Williams as star
power

2323
02:24:58,170 --> 02:25:02,370
as you told me out the On a
successful playing an openly gay

2324
02:25:02,580 --> 02:25:05,970
thug on television, I couldn't
have seen this comment in a

2325
02:25:05,970 --> 02:25:06,810
million years.

2326
02:25:06,930 --> 02:25:11,070
Up until that point, so many
people had never seen a black

2327
02:25:11,070 --> 02:25:16,920
gay man on TV. And when they had
seen them, it was in the guise

2328
02:25:16,920 --> 02:25:22,140
of flamboyance and flightiness.
But oh, my little, no, on top of

2329
02:25:22,140 --> 02:25:25,440
being this really, you know,
sort of fascinating anti hero,

2330
02:25:25,470 --> 02:25:28,590
his sexuality became a part of
his identity that couldn't be

2331
02:25:28,590 --> 02:25:34,170
ignored. Obviously, portrayal of
little so iconic to garner the

2332
02:25:34,170 --> 02:25:36,120
attention of President Barack
Obama,

2333
02:25:36,420 --> 02:25:39,450
Omar's Oh, by the way, my
favorite character,

2334
02:25:39,570 --> 02:25:42,060
what do you think when you heard
Barack Obama said you were his

2335
02:25:42,060 --> 02:25:43,230
favorite character?

2336
02:25:43,770 --> 02:25:48,000
You know, my first reaction
about that was was based on my

2337
02:25:48,000 --> 02:25:52,110
mother to see the proudness of
her face, and to see how her

2338
02:25:52,110 --> 02:25:53,730
eyes lit up made my day.

2339
02:25:56,310 --> 02:26:00,960
So you got here like this Obama
theme, just listen for it. But

2340
02:26:00,990 --> 02:26:07,320
um, I have to disagree with the
gentleman's analysis that the

2341
02:26:07,320 --> 02:26:12,300
gayness was a, like, a standout
part of his character, which it

2342
02:26:12,300 --> 02:26:18,360
wasn't in a way it was because
it was shocking at the time. But

2343
02:26:18,360 --> 02:26:20,730
they didn't make his character
about being gay.

2344
02:26:21,480 --> 02:26:25,770
is no normal, no more than, than
any of the other characters who

2345
02:26:25,770 --> 02:26:29,250
were making out with women in
the show was it was it was not

2346
02:26:29,250 --> 02:26:32,040
central to the it might have
been, it wasn't even central to

2347
02:26:32,040 --> 02:26:35,100
the plot, where there was some
other things going on, you know,

2348
02:26:35,100 --> 02:26:37,650
with the kid who was in jail,
and then you know, the guy goes

2349
02:26:37,650 --> 02:26:39,480
there and hooks up with his
wife.

2350
02:26:41,070 --> 02:26:44,400
So I mean, that's, that's the
thing is, I saw that they were

2351
02:26:44,400 --> 02:26:52,620
trying to, rightfully so paint
him as a gay rights activist in

2352
02:26:52,620 --> 02:26:56,040
a way. I mean, when they were
covering his death. Oh, really?

2353
02:26:56,099 --> 02:26:58,859
I thought, that good actor,
that's all I saw.

2354
02:26:58,919 --> 02:27:01,379
I mean, that's what I saw, too.
But I mean, even when they

2355
02:27:01,379 --> 02:27:04,649
brought them back around, and
what was it called the one that

2356
02:27:04,649 --> 02:27:08,159
we were suggested to watch. The
Lovecraft had to go back to

2357
02:27:08,159 --> 02:27:13,979
planning a closeted gay
character. So that Right, right,

2358
02:27:13,979 --> 02:27:18,269
yeah. So I just found it
interesting that they took that

2359
02:27:18,269 --> 02:27:22,019
angle, because that's what made
the wire so great. And in my

2360
02:27:22,049 --> 02:27:26,459
opinion, the greatest television
show ever. Because everybody was

2361
02:27:26,459 --> 02:27:30,389
humanized. Yeah, it was real.
Yeah, it was like, Okay, I know

2362
02:27:30,389 --> 02:27:33,299
a person like that, or, you
know, that's believable. It

2363
02:27:33,299 --> 02:27:36,959
wasn't just like, shooting gun
sideways. And, you know, all the

2364
02:27:36,959 --> 02:27:40,529
stereotypical things that come
along with not only being black,

2365
02:27:40,529 --> 02:27:45,449
but being gay, right? p was a
man at the end of the day, I'm

2366
02:27:45,479 --> 02:27:49,889
with you. Like, he's not my
words, his words, like you only

2367
02:27:49,889 --> 02:27:54,419
saw black man as being flaming.
And this is a first

2368
02:27:54,869 --> 02:28:00,029
representation that we saw like
this. So, um, so now we get to

2369
02:28:00,029 --> 02:28:06,839
go to your favorite guy. Ra.

2370
02:28:09,030 --> 02:28:11,400
You're supposed to say your
buddy, your buddy, Ari.

2371
02:28:11,700 --> 02:28:12,930
He's your buddy Ra.

2372
02:28:12,960 --> 02:28:15,210
He's a pal of the pod. Yeah.

2373
02:28:16,110 --> 02:28:22,500
He talks to Michael about his
role on the wire. I gotta say. I

2374
02:28:22,500 --> 02:28:27,330
mean, you can make a national
news.

2375
02:28:28,710 --> 02:28:31,380
That is, that is not an
endorsement. He was not my

2376
02:28:31,380 --> 02:28:36,210
favorite person. But he's a
fascinating character. And

2377
02:28:36,210 --> 02:28:43,170
there's a real life story of a
gay gangster who only robbed

2378
02:28:43,170 --> 02:28:46,080
drug dealers. And that gives
back in a sort of Robin Hood,

2379
02:28:46,260 --> 02:28:49,050
what do you think about playing
a character that made such an

2380
02:28:49,050 --> 02:28:50,760
impression on Barack Obama?

2381
02:28:52,230 --> 02:28:56,160
It was, it was eye opening
experience. For me, the impact

2382
02:28:56,160 --> 02:29:00,510
that had on me was on to say I
was humbled was and then again,

2383
02:29:00,510 --> 02:29:04,170
an understatement. But I wasn't
living my best life when that

2384
02:29:04,170 --> 02:29:07,710
happened. Really, what do you
make? I was, um, I was caught up

2385
02:29:07,710 --> 02:29:11,460
in my own personal whirlwind.
You know, I'm the why was my

2386
02:29:11,460 --> 02:29:14,340
breakout role. I didn't you
know, I didn't handle my wasn't

2387
02:29:14,340 --> 02:29:19,020
handling my finances, or that
that started them very well. You

2388
02:29:19,020 --> 02:29:22,050
know, people calling me Omar was
having an effect on my psyche.

2389
02:29:22,470 --> 02:29:26,940
You know, I wasn't using my
platform, the way I believe I'm

2390
02:29:26,970 --> 02:29:30,630
beginning to do today to help
further my community. You know,

2391
02:29:30,660 --> 02:29:34,380
when President Obama called me
out, basically, I had no

2392
02:29:34,380 --> 02:29:38,220
knowledge of anything that was
going on, or I was one of those

2393
02:29:38,220 --> 02:29:41,760
people that pretty much went to
sleep when when we elected him

2394
02:29:41,760 --> 02:29:44,010
into office, and I stopped
caring.

2395
02:29:45,300 --> 02:29:49,530
Thanks, Obama. Interesting.

2396
02:29:50,850 --> 02:29:54,360
Is this thing like what made you
would do it? I don't know. I

2397
02:29:54,360 --> 02:30:01,500
just want to do as a quick aside
When black people have any

2398
02:30:01,500 --> 02:30:07,980
contact with Obama, it's like so
your Obama moment? How was it?

2399
02:30:07,980 --> 02:30:13,500
Yeah, we me, how was it? I mean,
it was alright. In the fact that

2400
02:30:13,500 --> 02:30:17,280
Obama didn't recognize Michael
K. Williams. He recognized his

2401
02:30:17,280 --> 02:30:22,020
character, but he's like, how's
it feel for Obama to recognize

2402
02:30:22,020 --> 02:30:25,650
you? Like, seriously? Tell me
Gosh, it's my okay. I mean,

2403
02:30:25,650 --> 02:30:30,090
like, it's just when you heard
it, you heard it before, right?

2404
02:30:30,090 --> 02:30:33,480
The same thing with Obama likes
you. You like that's like their

2405
02:30:33,510 --> 02:30:35,460
stamp of approval or something

2406
02:30:36,300 --> 02:30:38,670
that you've been, you've been
blessed. You've been touched by

2407
02:30:38,670 --> 02:30:39,510
His Holiness.

2408
02:30:40,020 --> 02:30:42,540
Right? It's kind of like when
Oprah will say something about

2409
02:30:42,540 --> 02:30:47,910
your product right? by it, yeah.
Kind of the same thing. But that

2410
02:30:47,910 --> 02:30:50,580
didn't last long. But I just
found that weird. They would.

2411
02:30:51,090 --> 02:30:55,110
They constantly did this and
clips of like, a talk about

2412
02:30:55,110 --> 02:31:00,000
Obama. Obama. I'm here to talk
about my show where he was there

2413
02:31:00,000 --> 02:31:03,660
to talk about a juvenile
justice. And he had gotten

2414
02:31:04,110 --> 02:31:08,160
involved in I don't wanna say
politics, their policies. He was

2415
02:31:08,160 --> 02:31:11,160
trying to get people to vote,
but that was like their thing

2416
02:31:11,160 --> 02:31:13,050
like Omar Omar can reach him.

2417
02:31:14,040 --> 02:31:18,630
Oh, of course, it mean, Ari.
Melbourne, is a political

2418
02:31:18,630 --> 02:31:22,950
operative. Correct. So that's,
that's why they bring up you

2419
02:31:22,950 --> 02:31:25,830
know, it's talking about Ari's
boss. That's really what's going

2420
02:31:25,830 --> 02:31:26,160
on.

2421
02:31:26,699 --> 02:31:30,389
Yeah, by any means is necessary
that are you he'll try to get

2422
02:31:30,389 --> 02:31:34,379
you to this year, to a certain
point. But if we're going to

2423
02:31:34,379 --> 02:31:38,699
talk Why are we taught wire? So
this is just as we talked about

2424
02:31:38,699 --> 02:31:41,549
Baltimore, in the last segment,
I thought we had to tie

2425
02:31:41,549 --> 02:31:46,259
Baltimore in with this because
Baltimore was a character itself

2426
02:31:46,349 --> 02:31:49,709
in the show the wire right I
mean, the city itself horse

2427
02:31:49,979 --> 02:31:54,149
character, hmm. So this is
probably one of the best

2428
02:31:54,149 --> 02:31:58,739
supporting actors or supporting
characters for the size and role

2429
02:31:58,739 --> 02:32:02,519
here in any television show was
clay Davis.

2430
02:32:05,550 --> 02:32:08,250
I know he was good enough to let
us stage in the council, sweetly

2431
02:32:08,250 --> 02:32:09,240
inaugurations,

2432
02:32:09,540 --> 02:32:15,900
no data to find showing in the
general no doubt 81% 82 in a

2433
02:32:15,900 --> 02:32:19,140
city where Democrats outnumber
republicans not in what

2434
02:32:19,170 --> 02:32:25,410
anything less would have been an
embarrassment. So what can we do

2435
02:32:25,410 --> 02:32:28,500
for you, Senator? Well,

2436
02:32:29,010 --> 02:32:33,450
first of all, I wanted to clear
the air. If there are any hard

2437
02:32:33,450 --> 02:32:35,880
feelings over what happened
during the primaries, you're

2438
02:32:35,880 --> 02:32:44,700
going to give the money back.
It's been a very long day. Cut

2439
02:32:44,700 --> 02:32:49,560
to the chase. Understand you
have a problem at the top of the

2440
02:32:49,560 --> 02:32:53,730
police department. You asked
Burrell to resign he declined.

2441
02:32:55,380 --> 02:32:58,230
I'm looking for a replacement.
The ministers like Burrell

2442
02:32:59,070 --> 02:33:02,160
soldiers council president,
we're confident that when we

2443
02:33:02,160 --> 02:33:06,150
identify a suitable candidate,
Miss Campbell and the ministers

2444
02:33:06,150 --> 02:33:10,410
will see the wisdom of new
leadership. So we are need to

2445
02:33:10,410 --> 02:33:16,110
get a pay raise through the city
council pay raise would help. I

2446
02:33:16,110 --> 02:33:19,740
can ask the Reese about that pay
raise getting passed, maybe

2447
02:33:19,740 --> 02:33:23,610
convince some of the ministers
they need to move on from the

2448
02:33:23,610 --> 02:33:30,450
rail. situation we have to be
resolved sooner rather than

2449
02:33:30,450 --> 02:33:37,140
later. do my best partner. And
what do we do for you in return?

2450
02:33:39,630 --> 02:33:43,620
I'm in Annapolis. Word I'm
hearing you may be there too.

2451
02:33:43,620 --> 02:33:47,460
And a couple of years. we may
find ourselves working together

2452
02:33:47,460 --> 02:34:01,140
closely. Thanks for your time.
Jesus Christ apologizes for the

2453
02:34:01,140 --> 02:34:04,170
short card. And in the next
breath and the sound for the

2454
02:34:04,170 --> 02:34:08,940
law. humoristic is the ease and
we know what the long con is. At

2455
02:34:08,940 --> 02:34:18,780
least we know we've run in what
she Yeah.

2456
02:34:19,740 --> 02:34:22,380
One of the greatest catchphrases
from a television show as well.

2457
02:34:22,380 --> 02:34:26,130
But yeah, this clip this might
embody what the wire was about

2458
02:34:26,130 --> 02:34:29,070
the ministers and the
politicians in the streets and

2459
02:34:29,370 --> 02:34:35,280
how they all interconnected in
this little Baltimore, um, to be

2460
02:34:35,280 --> 02:34:39,330
a major city is small. But
that's that was the greatness of

2461
02:34:39,330 --> 02:34:43,620
the show. But I have this clip
that I found when I was doing

2462
02:34:43,620 --> 02:34:51,030
the Henrietta Lacks segment. And
tario patella. On actually how

2463
02:34:51,030 --> 02:34:52,590
Baltimore worked in this way.

2464
02:34:53,220 --> 02:34:56,340
I wanted I one of the other
really fascinating things in

2465
02:34:56,340 --> 02:34:59,970
your book. You talk about the
history of policing involved.

2466
02:35:00,000 --> 02:35:03,900
More. And you you've said, You
told me before the interview

2467
02:35:03,900 --> 02:35:06,930
that you sort of see some
parallels today, we might be

2468
02:35:06,930 --> 02:35:10,710
under a new age of surveillance.
You know that if it's not

2469
02:35:10,710 --> 02:35:13,200
already started today and and I
think one of the most

2470
02:35:13,230 --> 02:35:18,690
fascinating things in your book,
you talk about how the the so

2471
02:35:18,690 --> 02:35:23,070
the Baltimore chapter of the
Black Panther Party was actually

2472
02:35:23,070 --> 02:35:27,900
started as part of a cointelpro
operation, which is run by the

2473
02:35:27,900 --> 02:35:33,750
FBI to sort of sort of
infiltrate the national chapter,

2474
02:35:33,750 --> 02:35:35,700
which was based in Chicago and
in Oakland,

2475
02:35:35,730 --> 02:35:40,620
right. And so so what happened
was that an army veteran who had

2476
02:35:40,620 --> 02:35:45,300
joined the National Security
Agency, which had built a new

2477
02:35:45,300 --> 02:35:49,740
headquarters near Baltimore, was
sent here to create a Black

2478
02:35:49,740 --> 02:35:55,320
Panther Party in Baltimore. But
the interesting thing about that

2479
02:35:55,320 --> 02:35:59,280
kind of surveillance was that
what I just talked about was an

2480
02:35:59,280 --> 02:36:03,780
FBI operation. What also
happened at the same time was

2481
02:36:03,780 --> 02:36:07,170
that there was a very
significant penetration of the

2482
02:36:07,170 --> 02:36:11,100
activist scene in Baltimore by
the Baltimore City Police

2483
02:36:11,100 --> 02:36:15,390
Department. And this also has
some political implications

2484
02:36:15,390 --> 02:36:20,520
because a crucial election came
in Baltimore in 1971 mayoral

2485
02:36:20,550 --> 02:36:25,470
election, and so so for for the
police department did a

2486
02:36:25,470 --> 02:36:31,440
penetrate the the campaign's of
William Donald shaffers, to

2487
02:36:31,440 --> 02:36:35,790
black opponents, and then fed
all that surveillance

2488
02:36:35,790 --> 02:36:40,800
information to his campaign. And
at the same time, the police

2489
02:36:40,800 --> 02:36:44,220
department also had under
surveillance, many of the

2490
02:36:44,220 --> 02:36:47,130
aspiring black office seekers

2491
02:36:48,150 --> 02:36:50,040
felt the wire was a documentary.

2492
02:36:52,740 --> 02:36:56,460
So many truth bombs. That's just
insane, isn't it? Especially

2493
02:36:56,460 --> 02:36:59,250
with the surveillance? Well,
that's why I put that in. Yeah.

2494
02:36:59,970 --> 02:37:00,930
Wire pairs,

2495
02:37:00,990 --> 02:37:05,670
they were it was just to be Wow,
always be on camera. I mean,

2496
02:37:05,700 --> 02:37:09,780
they lived their lives under 24
hour surveillance. And they

2497
02:37:09,780 --> 02:37:12,420
actually had this story come out
of Baltimore, how they were

2498
02:37:12,420 --> 02:37:22,050
using drones to to surveil
Baltimore. So it's crazy, right,

2499
02:37:22,050 --> 02:37:27,630
then they use the Black Panther
Party. Yes. The cointelpro more.

2500
02:37:29,370 --> 02:37:31,770
Which makes you look at the
Baltimore riots differently.

2501
02:37:31,890 --> 02:37:34,050
When I when I heard that, I was
like, Huh, oh,

2502
02:37:34,500 --> 02:37:38,760
who knows? Who knows? Again,
we're living in a simulation.

2503
02:37:38,910 --> 02:37:43,140
Totally. I mean, this stuff is
really happening, but it's not

2504
02:37:43,140 --> 02:37:44,610
exactly what you think it is.

2505
02:37:44,970 --> 02:37:47,280
I thought that was too good to
leave on the class. Great.

2506
02:37:49,230 --> 02:37:49,770
Appreciate, but

2507
02:37:49,770 --> 02:37:53,310
now we get because it's
pertinent. But can you do me one

2508
02:37:53,310 --> 02:37:59,580
favor, and go search by the next
clip on YouTube search by that

2509
02:37:59,580 --> 02:38:03,030
title? And you're gonna get it,
I forgot to send you the

2510
02:38:03,030 --> 02:38:09,870
screenshot. But I want you to
see the picture of Michael K.

2511
02:38:09,870 --> 02:38:13,590
Williams, and the what the
pictures is in the chair on the

2512
02:38:13,590 --> 02:38:15,900
left hand side of him, why you
could do it while we're playing

2513
02:38:15,900 --> 02:38:18,000
this next clip, but okay, if you
could

2514
02:38:18,900 --> 02:38:22,770
feel by the brokers, quite
frankly, made me sick to my

2515
02:38:22,770 --> 02:38:27,900
stomach. When I I was ignorant
to the narrative and the subject

2516
02:38:27,930 --> 02:38:31,710
of what this movie was was
addressing. And I remember

2517
02:38:31,710 --> 02:38:34,830
personally, you know, one of
those many nights when I was

2518
02:38:34,830 --> 02:38:38,700
crying myself to sleep, listen
to BB cc line is I with I would

2519
02:38:38,700 --> 02:38:42,660
see these these commercials
about the, you know, these

2520
02:38:42,900 --> 02:38:47,490
elaborate beautiful recovery
centers, you know, mostly most

2521
02:38:47,490 --> 02:38:50,250
of them within Malibu, and I
would, I would say, Man, if I

2522
02:38:50,250 --> 02:38:53,220
could get there, maybe I could
just get my life together. And

2523
02:38:53,220 --> 02:38:58,380
to think that that was never
really the that was never the

2524
02:38:58,380 --> 02:38:59,100
intent. Yeah.

2525
02:38:59,160 --> 02:39:01,800
And that's what the movie
explores is, you know, we talked

2526
02:39:01,800 --> 02:39:05,610
about the amount of profit that
people make selling drugs, but

2527
02:39:05,610 --> 02:39:09,540
there is money also in the rehab
process, as well, where people

2528
02:39:09,540 --> 02:39:12,600
exploit folks trying to get help
this you have this pivotal

2529
02:39:12,600 --> 02:39:16,560
moment that happened in your
life that involved in senator

2530
02:39:16,560 --> 02:39:20,040
brock obama on the campaign
trail since 2008. And that's

2531
02:39:20,040 --> 02:39:21,930
actually what I just interviewed
him and met him as well. I'm

2532
02:39:21,930 --> 02:39:25,230
living in Chicago, and he's got
this book of hope and all these

2533
02:39:25,230 --> 02:39:29,490
things. And you said that I just
didn't feel worthy of meeting

2534
02:39:29,490 --> 02:39:33,690
this man. You're in the room,
you're there for a reason, but

2535
02:39:33,690 --> 02:39:35,310
you didn't feel worthy.

2536
02:39:35,340 --> 02:39:39,990
Why the impact of my ignorance,
actually and, you know, it was

2537
02:39:39,990 --> 02:39:45,330
like, Well, how does the future
president of free world you

2538
02:39:45,330 --> 02:39:48,990
know, see me what makes him
watch the wire? And more

2539
02:39:48,990 --> 02:39:53,100
importantly, how come I don't
know who he is? How come I don't

2540
02:39:53,100 --> 02:39:54,090
know what he's about.

2541
02:40:02,370 --> 02:40:07,170
Nobody knows Obama. Nobody knew
who Obama was prior to

2542
02:40:07,170 --> 02:40:08,760
2007 2008.

2543
02:40:08,790 --> 02:40:13,230
I was just talking about that at
dinner. I said, you know, one

2544
02:40:13,230 --> 02:40:16,410
term senator, we don't have any
of his records. We can't find

2545
02:40:16,410 --> 02:40:19,350
anyone who actually attended a
class that he taught

2546
02:40:19,350 --> 02:40:24,990
constitutional law. Been.
Everything's been locked up. We

2547
02:40:24,990 --> 02:40:26,340
don't really think about that
guy.

2548
02:40:27,060 --> 02:40:28,380
So did you see the picture?

2549
02:40:29,460 --> 02:40:31,890
Are you talking about the
picture of him with the Kings

2550
02:40:31,890 --> 02:40:33,480
County? New York t shirt?

2551
02:40:33,960 --> 02:40:37,740
No. Is that will it look over to
the left hand side where he's in

2552
02:40:37,740 --> 02:40:41,820
frame? It's a picture on the
chair to the left hand side.

2553
02:40:41,820 --> 02:40:42,510
Yeah,

2554
02:40:42,510 --> 02:40:46,440
there's like a dude like a What
can I see here? Yeah, guys.

2555
02:40:48,420 --> 02:40:54,480
Enhance rotate. Zoom. Okay. It's
I'm at Mac zoom.

2556
02:40:54,990 --> 02:40:57,150
Is that Obama kissing him?

2557
02:40:57,660 --> 02:41:01,440
Oh, no, that's not what I'm
seeing. Hold on. This must be

2558
02:41:01,440 --> 02:41:04,260
something else on a second. So
it's in. We don't

2559
02:41:04,260 --> 02:41:07,770
want to belabor the point. But
are you kidding me? If If Omar

2560
02:41:07,770 --> 02:41:08,010
is

2561
02:41:08,010 --> 02:41:11,100
kissing Barack, I got this is
worth stopping the whole damn

2562
02:41:11,100 --> 02:41:14,640
show for hold on us. Oh, oh, I
got it. I got it. I got it. I

2563
02:41:14,640 --> 02:41:20,880
gotta get home. Now that's not
Brock. You sure?

2564
02:41:23,130 --> 02:41:26,280
I couldn't make it out. That's
why I didn't ask the question.

2565
02:41:27,240 --> 02:41:31,050
Um, why would you have that
picture sitting on the chair and

2566
02:41:31,050 --> 02:41:32,550
that signature looks like the

2567
02:41:32,550 --> 02:41:35,760
end. This signature does look a
little bit like, you know what,

2568
02:41:35,790 --> 02:41:38,760
I can't zoom in enough now. But
that is definitely going to the

2569
02:41:38,760 --> 02:41:42,990
lab. And I'm gonna I'm gonna put
this in the show notes.

2570
02:41:43,440 --> 02:41:47,550
Everyone's got a Yeah, but it is
it's just laying there on the

2571
02:41:47,550 --> 02:41:49,920
chair. Like it's he did it on
purpose.

2572
02:41:50,160 --> 02:41:53,370
Right. Wow. That would be a
weird picture anybody else to

2573
02:41:53,370 --> 02:41:57,990
have in the frame? It's like a
you got me Got me. Oh, by Barry.

2574
02:41:57,990 --> 02:42:00,000
Oh, memorabilia.

2575
02:42:02,610 --> 02:42:04,980
Wow, that's crazy.

2576
02:42:05,580 --> 02:42:09,090
I know people are asking me why
berrio Why Why are you stressing

2577
02:42:09,090 --> 02:42:12,570
brock obama with him? Right?
Well, he had this movie called

2578
02:42:13,770 --> 02:42:21,870
body brokers. And in the movie,
it covers the the loopholes

2579
02:42:21,870 --> 02:42:27,450
created in the rehab system. And
with the ACA, also known as the

2580
02:42:27,480 --> 02:42:28,410
Obamacare.

2581
02:42:30,330 --> 02:42:32,430
The Affordable Care Act. Yeah,
uh huh.

2582
02:42:33,210 --> 02:42:39,150
Yes. So you, you want to get
your strikes? Yes.

2583
02:42:39,150 --> 02:42:40,680
Yes, stop teasing.

2584
02:42:42,210 --> 02:42:46,950
I'm going to let you in on a
little secret. In 2008, when the

2585
02:42:46,950 --> 02:42:49,800
Affordable Care Act was
designed, it required every

2586
02:42:49,800 --> 02:42:52,800
health care provider to cover
substance abuse treatment, as

2587
02:42:52,800 --> 02:42:56,340
right since the bill was passed
in early 2000s. sober livings,

2588
02:42:56,340 --> 02:42:59,970
100 inpatient treatment centers
and 200, detoxes have opened up

2589
02:42:59,970 --> 02:43:05,730
shop. Just in Southern
California alone. Yeah, business

2590
02:43:05,730 --> 02:43:09,870
is fucking for me. That's nearly
35,000 beds that need to be

2591
02:43:09,870 --> 02:43:12,930
filled each month, and almost
half a million that need to be

2592
02:43:12,930 --> 02:43:16,260
filled a year. Off the top of my
head, that's somewhere around

2593
02:43:16,290 --> 02:43:19,800
$12 billion dollars annually.
And again, that's just in

2594
02:43:19,800 --> 02:43:23,100
Southern California. This is
what we in the treatment

2595
02:43:23,100 --> 02:43:30,450
industry called the fucking Gold
Rush. yellow gold. You probably

2596
02:43:30,450 --> 02:43:33,360
wouldn't believe it. pison This
cup is worth more than an ounce

2597
02:43:33,360 --> 02:43:37,410
of white truffle, Beluga caviar,
platinum, gold or even rhino

2598
02:43:37,410 --> 02:43:43,680
horn. Each cup of peerspace
$2,000. And each client can test

2599
02:43:43,680 --> 02:43:48,960
up to five times a week. Do the
math. That's $10,000. A fucking

2600
02:43:48,960 --> 02:43:56,070
week off this. There are three
phases of treatment. detox, we

2601
02:43:56,070 --> 02:43:59,430
generally Bill 4000 a day for
the typical state being between

2602
02:43:59,430 --> 02:44:04,380
seven and 10 days. next phase
was residential. The average

2603
02:44:04,380 --> 02:44:12,000
days 60 days at $2,000 a day.
Lastly, is outpatient. We built

2604
02:44:12,030 --> 02:44:18,390
20 $500 a day for this. Based on
a 90 day program, detox

2605
02:44:18,390 --> 02:44:23,100
residential intensive outpatient
anyways, that's 300,000 per

2606
02:44:23,100 --> 02:44:29,820
person per 90 days. somewhere
like new West has 60 million

2607
02:44:29,820 --> 02:44:34,650
billed every quarter and wait
for it 72 million build a year.

2608
02:44:35,040 --> 02:44:37,770
You fucking heard me 72 million.

2609
02:44:40,050 --> 02:44:44,160
So not only do I remember that.
I actually remember the whole

2610
02:44:44,250 --> 02:44:47,340
controversy about that. And
everyone's like what is going on

2611
02:44:47,340 --> 02:44:53,040
is printing money. It was in the
first year. So two is really

2612
02:44:53,040 --> 02:44:55,260
quick right off the bat this
first term.

2613
02:44:56,009 --> 02:45:02,219
Where else is testing being big
now? Correct. Coronavirus every

2614
02:45:02,219 --> 02:45:08,339
employee has to be tested.
That's a weak same damn scam.

2615
02:45:08,369 --> 02:45:12,989
Well you also know who recently
bought a testing company. Our

2616
02:45:12,989 --> 02:45:17,549
guest Bill Gates, George Soros
yes actually together the two of

2617
02:45:17,549 --> 02:45:19,109
them together bought that

2618
02:45:19,410 --> 02:45:23,040
the testing is worth more
because she is no no no, we

2619
02:45:23,040 --> 02:45:25,680
don't want you to take the
vaccine as a one time thing. No,

2620
02:45:25,680 --> 02:45:26,550
no, no, no,

2621
02:45:26,580 --> 02:45:30,600
I have. So I had to travel to
Europe to see my daughter and

2622
02:45:30,780 --> 02:45:35,430
because of the three day rule 72
hours and I was worried I did

2623
02:45:35,430 --> 02:45:39,330
one on Saturday one on Sunday.
And I had to drive to carville's

2624
02:45:39,330 --> 02:45:46,050
like piece of crap town to the
CVS First of all, the test was

2625
02:45:46,050 --> 02:45:51,060
drive thru so you drive up, give
him your your, your assurance

2626
02:45:51,060 --> 02:45:55,020
card, and you have to understand
I have hi Oscar is the name of

2627
02:45:55,020 --> 02:45:59,880
my insurance like it's disaster
insurance because it's, I'm just

2628
02:45:59,880 --> 02:46:03,480
not gonna throw money away so I
have like an $8,000 deductible.

2629
02:46:05,040 --> 02:46:07,230
So I give her that and she give
me the bags. Okay, here it is.

2630
02:46:07,230 --> 02:46:09,900
Just go ahead and park in the
parking lot. swab your nose and

2631
02:46:09,900 --> 02:46:12,360
drive through again and drop it
off. So the first thing is like,

2632
02:46:12,390 --> 02:46:16,290
wow, okay, so this is for a
document that is supposedly

2633
02:46:16,350 --> 02:46:19,860
going to allow me to enter into
the European Union and I can

2634
02:46:19,860 --> 02:46:23,100
just stick it under my armpit
and throw it into the test tube.

2635
02:46:23,100 --> 02:46:28,950
Okay. today or yesterday, I got
the I got the receipts for the

2636
02:46:28,980 --> 02:46:36,360
for the insurance. Both are paid
in full. You know, the you know,

2637
02:46:36,360 --> 02:46:39,750
who's paying for your you know,
who's paying it? Right. It's not

2638
02:46:39,750 --> 02:46:40,590
CVS.

2639
02:46:42,510 --> 02:46:47,970
every employer has to have one
test. per employee. Yeah. A

2640
02:46:47,970 --> 02:46:48,540
week.

2641
02:46:49,380 --> 02:46:52,470
Oh, yeah. No, I've done the
numbers. The Presidents Oh, we

2642
02:46:52,470 --> 02:46:55,350
got 80 billion tests. Yeah,
that'll last America about three

2643
02:46:55,350 --> 02:46:58,380
weeks. Right. We're not
impressed with your 80 million

2644
02:46:58,380 --> 02:46:59,130
tests.

2645
02:46:59,340 --> 02:47:02,610
So we saw this. We saw this done
before this game. I mean, he

2646
02:47:02,610 --> 02:47:04,230
called it the yellow gold.

2647
02:47:05,310 --> 02:47:11,670
liquid gold. Yeah. Oh, no. Oh,
and these are agendas. The Vax

2648
02:47:11,670 --> 02:47:15,330
pressure to roll out is more the
pharmaceutical industry than the

2649
02:47:15,870 --> 02:47:18,690
then government Believe it or
not, it all works.

2650
02:47:19,080 --> 02:47:22,530
This case. Yes. Same way with
this case, my Hey, let's get the

2651
02:47:22,530 --> 02:47:25,830
addicks and the thing was they
would tell the you know us that

2652
02:47:25,830 --> 02:47:29,190
we're no respectfully at it, but
they will tell them recovering

2653
02:47:29,190 --> 02:47:31,110
addicts, or you gotta come in
dirty.

2654
02:47:32,820 --> 02:47:35,640
scam to work. Yeah. Wow.
encouraging

2655
02:47:35,640 --> 02:47:38,670
them to go back and I will be
doing a deeper dive on this. But

2656
02:47:38,670 --> 02:47:40,770
I just wanted to bring that up.
But since we're talking about

2657
02:47:41,100 --> 02:47:43,890
this is AJ type of show. Dirty
man.

2658
02:47:43,949 --> 02:47:47,099
The FBI calls people running
these businesses quote, body

2659
02:47:47,099 --> 02:47:50,819
brokers, people who traffic body
parts and tissue from dead

2660
02:47:50,819 --> 02:47:53,519
people. Now this is a search
warrant for the biological

2661
02:47:53,519 --> 02:47:56,909
Resource Center of Illinois. But
in these pages, it spells out

2662
02:47:56,909 --> 02:48:00,329
details of what investigators
say they found here in Arizona.

2663
02:48:00,509 --> 02:48:04,769
The FBI says at least 20 bodies
donated to biological Resource

2664
02:48:04,769 --> 02:48:09,569
Center and sold to another body
supplier had infectious diseases

2665
02:48:09,569 --> 02:48:14,669
things like Hepatitis B and C
mersa, meningitis, sepsis, even

2666
02:48:14,699 --> 02:48:18,839
HIV. Those remains were sent to
surgical training workshops

2667
02:48:18,839 --> 02:48:21,539
where workers told investigators
they never would have used in

2668
02:48:21,539 --> 02:48:24,659
best infected body parts had
they known. We talked to a woman

2669
02:48:24,659 --> 02:48:27,719
who said she had planned to
donate to BRC, even though she

2670
02:48:27,719 --> 02:48:30,959
had cancer and was part of a
hepatitis outbreak as a kid she

2671
02:48:30,959 --> 02:48:33,959
was shocked to hear they might
be passing off diseased parts as

2672
02:48:33,959 --> 02:48:34,499
healthy.

2673
02:48:35,640 --> 02:48:38,370
I don't want to make anybody
sick can't imagine it being

2674
02:48:38,370 --> 02:48:43,770
true. But I'm not naive people
will make $1 any way they can.

2675
02:48:44,490 --> 02:48:46,680
Okay, so she knows but Elizabeth
did the donors and their

2676
02:48:46,680 --> 02:48:49,260
families know what these remains
would be used for

2677
02:48:49,260 --> 02:48:51,090
according to the Warrens.
Stephanie the families were told

2678
02:48:51,090 --> 02:48:54,540
their donations would not be
sold But investigators say they

2679
02:48:54,540 --> 02:48:58,560
discovered body parts were sold
at times for 1000s of dollars

2680
02:48:58,560 --> 02:49:01,650
you know a lot of this is really
unbelievable what's legal what

2681
02:49:01,680 --> 02:49:02,520
isn't legal?

2682
02:49:02,640 --> 02:49:05,550
Well it might shock you but it
isn't illegal to trafficking

2683
02:49:05,550 --> 02:49:08,640
body's organs and tissues of
dead people. It crosses the line

2684
02:49:08,640 --> 02:49:11,100
though when those donation
centers say they have the donors

2685
02:49:11,100 --> 02:49:14,160
permission to use the remains in
a way that they do not

2686
02:49:16,320 --> 02:49:17,190
sound familiar?

2687
02:49:18,390 --> 02:49:21,270
Yes, it does. It does it does

2688
02:49:21,869 --> 02:49:25,409
Johns Hopkins a body broker by
definition

2689
02:49:26,099 --> 02:49:28,829
Oh totally and and I'm gonna
just gonna throw Planned

2690
02:49:28,829 --> 02:49:31,979
Parenthood back out there again.
Throw all that shit in there. Oh

2691
02:49:31,979 --> 02:49:34,739
my goodness. That's crazy.

2692
02:49:35,850 --> 02:49:38,640
Well, we don't broker in bodies
over here. We make our money the

2693
02:49:38,640 --> 02:49:39,270
hard way.

2694
02:49:39,330 --> 02:49:42,120
I like money. I just I don't
want any money around me is not

2695
02:49:43,770 --> 02:49:47,340
I'd almost rather have a new one
than a brand and then an old 20

2696
02:49:48,120 --> 02:49:50,850
that's kind of dumb and but
there's some bad new money that

2697
02:49:50,850 --> 02:49:57,540
excites you. Like $100 bills.
The most beautiful thing on

2698
02:49:57,540 --> 02:50:00,180
earth is $100 bill I haven't
seen a woman has good luck. Is

2699
02:50:01,530 --> 02:50:03,450
there something that excites
you?

2700
02:50:04,110 --> 02:50:09,780
Yes, that is right. We liked the
new money when that clip was

2701
02:50:09,780 --> 02:50:14,190
made $200 was worth a lot more
than it is today. So that's a

2702
02:50:14,190 --> 02:50:16,590
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2706
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02:50:31,620 --> 02:50:37,620
directly at mo fund me.com mo
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2708
02:50:37,620 --> 02:50:43,080
producers here $40 from Eve, who
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2709
02:50:43,080 --> 02:50:47,190
So Luke King was trying to
figure this out.

2710
02:50:47,610 --> 02:50:51,510
She tried three times to send a
donation I gotta give her you

2711
02:50:51,510 --> 02:50:55,410
know, effort, A for effort
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2712
02:50:55,410 --> 02:50:58,740
deterred for sending her value
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2713
02:50:59,370 --> 02:51:06,570
will give it a little bit of
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02:51:06,570 --> 02:51:12,870
signing, I think 3666 and the 66
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02:51:12,870 --> 02:51:16,350
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2717
02:51:20,820 --> 02:51:24,090
mo facts for the tireless work
you do. Bringing enlightenment

2718
02:51:24,090 --> 02:51:27,960
and understanding to those who
are ready to learn does take

2719
02:51:27,960 --> 02:51:32,460
that $25 from Douglas Engstrom
says I watched a YouTube live

2720
02:51:32,460 --> 02:51:36,090
about the parolee being mandated
take the vaccine in order to end

2721
02:51:36,090 --> 02:51:38,970
a sentence. what's to stop a
judge from taking the next

2722
02:51:38,970 --> 02:51:41,220
logical step in my mind for
medical procedures

2723
02:51:41,220 --> 02:51:44,580
sterilization, it could turn
into eugenics progress towards

2724
02:51:44,580 --> 02:51:47,760
for the incarcerated these
judges should be disbarred for

2725
02:51:47,760 --> 02:51:52,110
these tyrannical rulings. There
is no difference and in fact it

2726
02:51:52,110 --> 02:51:56,640
wasn't even that long ago that
we had medical sterilization as

2727
02:51:56,640 --> 02:51:58,260
punishment in the United States.

2728
02:51:59,460 --> 02:52:05,430
And is this as a little seven
seven deputy the guy was in for

2729
02:52:05,430 --> 02:52:06,330
a fitting off selling

2730
02:52:07,980 --> 02:52:19,980
simple There you go. Crazy. Sure
do. NET l airs the third $25

2731
02:52:20,010 --> 02:52:27,240
little something fam. Thank you.
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02:52:27,240 --> 02:52:33,000
showing support $25 Thank you
Donald Davis. $20 Jay German

2733
02:52:33,000 --> 02:52:36,030
McLaren with the 20 and below
we're just going to do the the

2734
02:52:36,030 --> 02:52:38,580
amounts and the names from now
on just to keep keep the

2735
02:52:38,580 --> 02:52:45,240
segments to some decent length.
If it James German, McLaren $20

2736
02:52:45,240 --> 02:52:48,960
in three donations Hey, hold on
a second. Taylor Stagg three

2737
02:52:48,960 --> 02:52:51,780
times 20. Shouldn't we put
Taylor up in the associate

2738
02:52:51,780 --> 02:52:53,220
executive producer Spano when

2739
02:52:53,220 --> 02:52:57,030
that got bought me Sorry, but
because he came in three

2740
02:52:57,030 --> 02:52:58,350
different times. Yes. Yeah,

2741
02:52:58,410 --> 02:52:59,820
we'll make sure we do that. I'm

2742
02:52:59,820 --> 02:53:03,570
gonna put you there. Sorry about
that. Taylor. Maybe we can read

2743
02:53:03,570 --> 02:53:05,910
some of his notes name as least
give me their short

2744
02:53:06,510 --> 02:53:11,070
notes. Sorry. Disco biscuits
sold the lemon and disco biscuit

2745
02:53:11,070 --> 02:53:14,190
discuss part two. He was trying
to guess if there was going to

2746
02:53:14,190 --> 02:53:15,000
be a part two.

2747
02:53:15,360 --> 02:53:17,520
But no, not actually speaking
from the YouTube.

2748
02:53:18,930 --> 02:53:20,850
Live. Oh,

2749
02:53:21,270 --> 02:53:23,520
I was alive. So how long? How
long?

2750
02:53:23,790 --> 02:53:26,370
How long do you do the live was
like two hours? Three hours?

2751
02:53:26,370 --> 02:53:26,700
Yes.

2752
02:53:26,730 --> 02:53:29,580
Right now it's no no, it's like,
a little under two hours.

2753
02:53:30,450 --> 02:53:33,810
Now it's to do that on Saturday
morning now. It's like I gotta

2754
02:53:33,810 --> 02:53:39,240
watch TV shows. I got my
documentaries. Thanks, Mo.

2755
02:53:39,450 --> 02:53:44,670
Thanks a lot. Just tally $10.
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2756
02:53:44,700 --> 02:53:49,740
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Terry, the human subscription
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2760
02:54:05,370 --> 02:54:08,010
in with 411. And one of these
days we'll get that subscription

2761
02:54:08,010 --> 02:54:11,670
set up for you. So you don't
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2762
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Thank you very much.

2763
02:54:12,390 --> 02:54:13,800
We'll be naming your names. Oh,

2764
02:54:13,800 --> 02:54:16,500
you better believe it it'll be
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2765
02:54:16,500 --> 02:54:20,760
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02:54:24,750 --> 02:54:30,030
Again, it's mo funding calm mo
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02:54:37,260 --> 02:54:40,560
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02:54:44,310 --> 02:54:47,400
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2773
02:54:47,400 --> 02:54:50,940
doing that, but actually
producing Episode 66 of mo facts

2774
02:54:50,940 --> 02:54:51,690
with Adam Curry.

2775
02:54:53,310 --> 02:54:58,650
You know, I had to do it. You
know, I had to do it. The LG AJ.

2776
02:54:58,980 --> 02:55:01,650
I don't like I'm putting
chemicals in the water they turn

2777
02:55:01,650 --> 02:55:02,640
the friggin frogs.

2778
02:55:05,850 --> 02:55:09,270
Can you say? Can I just say
something about this? since we

2779
02:55:09,270 --> 02:55:13,860
moved out of Austin? We're 80
miles west. We have a well we

2780
02:55:13,860 --> 02:55:18,720
have well water. And I've had
this plant called the money

2781
02:55:18,720 --> 02:55:22,920
plant might have my my agent 12
years ago gave it to me when I

2782
02:55:22,980 --> 02:55:27,900
used to my agent, guilt plant
Adam, you love it. So I've kept

2783
02:55:27,900 --> 02:55:31,830
this thing with me for 12 years.
It's it's been through for

2784
02:55:31,830 --> 02:55:34,890
marriage. It's been on the road
with me touring in the

2785
02:55:34,890 --> 02:55:38,280
airstream. And I've always taken
care of it. I love it. It's

2786
02:55:38,280 --> 02:55:42,060
called buzz name is plant plants
around plant is in a similar

2787
02:55:42,060 --> 02:55:45,900
situation. But now it's being
fed with the well water. Holy

2788
02:55:45,900 --> 02:55:52,200
crap. This thing's on fire now.
Telling me the city water is

2789
02:55:52,200 --> 02:55:52,680
crap.

2790
02:55:56,550 --> 02:56:00,690
This is one of those means to
say that this is a classic this

2791
02:56:00,690 --> 02:56:05,700
is this is the classic. This is
a classic AJ. But there's some

2792
02:56:05,850 --> 02:56:09,840
there's some truth behind it,
but we got to find it. So we got

2793
02:56:09,840 --> 02:56:13,680
to talk about Tyrone Hayes and
him being targeted by the

2794
02:56:13,680 --> 02:56:14,760
herbicide firm.

2795
02:56:15,000 --> 02:56:17,970
Yes, now we turn to the story of
a university of california

2796
02:56:17,970 --> 02:56:20,970
scientists who discovered that a
popular herbicide may have

2797
02:56:21,300 --> 02:56:25,140
harmful effects on the endocrine
system. Tyrone Hayes was first

2798
02:56:25,140 --> 02:56:30,120
hired in 1997 by a company that
later became agribusiness giant

2799
02:56:30,120 --> 02:56:33,660
Syngenta. They asked him to
study their product, their

2800
02:56:33,660 --> 02:56:38,250
product Atrazine, pesticides,
more than half the corn crops in

2801
02:56:38,250 --> 02:56:41,760
the United States and widely
used on golf courses and

2802
02:56:41,760 --> 02:56:46,410
Christmas tree farms. But after
Hayes found results that the

2803
02:56:46,410 --> 02:56:50,160
manufacturer did not expect that
Atrazine causes sexual

2804
02:56:50,160 --> 02:56:53,130
abnormalities in frogs and could
cause the same problems for

2805
02:56:53,130 --> 02:56:57,120
humans. Syngenta refused to
allow him to publish his work.

2806
02:56:57,390 --> 02:57:00,990
This was the start of an epic
feud between the scientist and

2807
02:57:00,990 --> 02:57:01,800
the corporation.

2808
02:57:01,830 --> 02:57:05,370
Now a new article on New Yorker
magazine uses court documents

2809
02:57:05,370 --> 02:57:08,550
from a class action lawsuit
against Syngenta to show how it

2810
02:57:08,550 --> 02:57:10,860
sought to prevent the
Environmental Protection Agency

2811
02:57:10,860 --> 02:57:13,740
from banning the profitable
chemical, which is already

2812
02:57:13,740 --> 02:57:18,060
banned by the European Union. To
start with the company's public

2813
02:57:18,060 --> 02:57:21,870
relations team drafted a list of
four goals reporter Rachel Aviv

2814
02:57:22,020 --> 02:57:26,040
writes quote, The first was,
quote discredit Hayes in a

2815
02:57:26,040 --> 02:57:29,070
spiral bound notebooks and
generous Communications Manager

2816
02:57:29,070 --> 02:57:32,640
Sherry Ford, who referred to
Hayes by his initials, wrote

2817
02:57:32,640 --> 02:57:38,010
that the company could prevent
citing of th data by revealing

2818
02:57:38,010 --> 02:57:41,340
him as non credible he was a
frequent topic of conversation

2819
02:57:41,340 --> 02:57:44,820
at company meetings and gentle
look for ways to exploit Hayes

2820
02:57:44,820 --> 02:57:49,680
faults problems. If th involved
in scandal. enviros will drop

2821
02:57:49,680 --> 02:57:50,760
him Ford road.

2822
02:57:51,180 --> 02:57:54,840
Yep, the good old Atrazine
followed it for quite a while.

2823
02:57:55,710 --> 02:57:57,390
Did you follow Tyrone Hayes?

2824
02:57:57,540 --> 02:58:00,870
Not at all? Never it? Never. Of
course. I

2825
02:58:00,870 --> 02:58:02,130
mean, of course.

2826
02:58:03,690 --> 02:58:05,070
Well, no, I didn't mean it that
way.

2827
02:58:11,670 --> 02:58:16,590
Of course, not. Never, never we
put you know, we talked about

2828
02:58:16,590 --> 02:58:19,770
Atrazine on no agenda for
several years. silenced. Of

2829
02:58:19,770 --> 02:58:22,470
course, he was totally crap.

2830
02:58:22,590 --> 02:58:24,600
I thought you had to trust the
science.

2831
02:58:25,710 --> 02:58:28,710
Now, not when there's money
involved. That's my

2832
02:58:28,710 --> 02:58:32,970
point. Here's the black man
telling people that they're

2833
02:58:32,970 --> 02:58:38,910
frauds are gay. And they
silenced him. Oh, man. You want

2834
02:58:38,910 --> 02:58:40,380
to hear more about Tyrone? Yes,

2835
02:58:40,380 --> 02:58:43,890
yes. Once or twice? We'll stop
teasing. It's not fun when you

2836
02:58:43,890 --> 02:58:47,100
do that. Yes, you know, I do you
know?

2837
02:58:48,180 --> 02:58:52,260
Well, here at Berkeley, I was a
new assistant professor. I was

2838
02:58:52,260 --> 02:58:55,230
already studying the effects of
hormones and effects of

2839
02:58:55,470 --> 02:58:57,540
chemicals that interfere with
hormones and amphibian

2840
02:58:57,540 --> 02:59:00,300
development. And I was
approached by the manufacturer

2841
02:59:00,300 --> 02:59:03,810
and asked to study the effects
of Atrazine, the herbicide on

2842
02:59:03,810 --> 02:59:07,650
frogs, and after it sub
discovered that it interfered

2843
02:59:07,650 --> 02:59:11,430
with male development and caused
males to turn into females to

2844
02:59:11,430 --> 02:59:15,270
develop eggs. The company tried
to prevent me from publishing

2845
02:59:15,270 --> 02:59:18,420
and from discussing that work
with other scientists outside of

2846
02:59:18,420 --> 02:59:22,350
their panels. Well, initially,
we found that the larynx or the

2847
02:59:22,350 --> 02:59:26,280
voice box in exposed males
didn't grow properly. And this

2848
02:59:26,280 --> 02:59:29,430
was an indication that the male
hormone testosterone was not

2849
02:59:29,430 --> 02:59:33,780
being produced at appropriate
levels. And eventually, we found

2850
02:59:33,780 --> 02:59:36,540
that not only that were these
males, D masking alized or

2851
02:59:36,720 --> 02:59:40,680
chemically castrated, but they
also were starting to develop

2852
02:59:40,680 --> 02:59:43,530
ovaries are starting to develop
eggs. And eventually, we

2853
02:59:43,530 --> 02:59:47,250
discovered that these males
didn't breed properly, that some

2854
02:59:47,250 --> 02:59:50,280
of the males actually completely
turned into females. So we had

2855
02:59:50,280 --> 02:59:53,340
genetic males that were laying
eggs and reproducing as females.

2856
02:59:53,610 --> 02:59:55,710
And now we're starting to show
that some of these males

2857
02:59:55,710 --> 02:59:59,670
actually show I guess, what we
call homosexual behavior. They

2858
02:59:59,670 --> 03:00:03,120
actually I prefer to meet with
other males. So one of the most

2859
03:00:03,120 --> 03:00:06,210
disheartening things in this
whole process is that many of my

2860
03:00:06,210 --> 03:00:08,640
critics, you know, it's want to
be academic if you come and say,

2861
03:00:08,640 --> 03:00:11,370
well we interpreted the data
this way and we want to argue

2862
03:00:11,370 --> 03:00:14,070
about this point but these
people really didn't even have

2863
03:00:14,340 --> 03:00:17,520
an opinion this these opinions
were written by the manufacturer

2864
03:00:17,520 --> 03:00:21,000
and they were paid to put their
names on it to endorse the

2865
03:00:21,000 --> 03:00:23,640
opinions of the manufacturer so
you know, that's one of the most

2866
03:00:23,640 --> 03:00:26,430
disheartening things if they
were really just personalities

2867
03:00:26,610 --> 03:00:27,360
for sale

2868
03:00:28,710 --> 03:00:31,110
Yeah, personalities for sale

2869
03:00:31,470 --> 03:00:38,160
personalities for sale what is
their goal here? You know, I'm

2870
03:00:38,190 --> 03:00:42,090
like you have this black
scientists from the University

2871
03:00:42,090 --> 03:00:46,950
of California Berkeley are
accredited did the work had the

2872
03:00:46,950 --> 03:00:51,300
scientific proof and they set
out to destroy him? Because they

2873
03:00:51,300 --> 03:00:58,350
didn't like his narrative and he
went and played ball well, it's

2874
03:00:58,380 --> 03:01:05,940
so i i don't think that they
that this was purely profit

2875
03:01:05,940 --> 03:01:12,780
driven. I'm going to initially
presume be accused of After all,

2876
03:01:12,780 --> 03:01:19,290
it was a it was a about frogs.
It was an amphibious steady, and

2877
03:01:19,320 --> 03:01:22,530
they just don't want any
negative any negative noise. And

2878
03:01:22,560 --> 03:01:27,240
so I don't think it was killed
to turn children gay turn

2879
03:01:27,240 --> 03:01:31,320
Jamboree. No, but believe me,
believe me, I got a look at all

2880
03:01:31,320 --> 03:01:32,940
these all these angles.

2881
03:01:33,660 --> 03:01:37,890
Right. But what I'm saying is
even his blackness when he in if

2882
03:01:37,890 --> 03:01:42,000
you look at Tyrone, um, he
showed up with like a lavender

2883
03:01:42,000 --> 03:01:46,680
and black, black plaid jacket.
And he you know, he seemed

2884
03:01:46,800 --> 03:01:49,620
somewhat feminine. I'm not
making no making any assumptions

2885
03:01:49,620 --> 03:01:56,130
about him. But it's like, you
say if he was no gay, gay and

2886
03:01:56,130 --> 03:02:00,000
black couldn't even protect him
from being harassed and silent.

2887
03:02:00,000 --> 03:02:03,180
Right, right. When it comes to
the green. It doesn't matter how

2888
03:02:03,180 --> 03:02:07,470
many frogs folks, when it comes
to the green. Nobody save. You

2889
03:02:07,470 --> 03:02:10,380
have to push the agenda. That's
the point. I'm trying to push

2890
03:02:10,380 --> 03:02:12,810
with this segment. That it
doesn't matter about the

2891
03:02:12,810 --> 03:02:13,470
science.

2892
03:02:14,369 --> 03:02:17,369
Yeah, I see what you're saying.
He's a sharp dresser.

2893
03:02:18,180 --> 03:02:22,770
He's a very sharp dresser. Give
him even more credibility in my

2894
03:02:22,770 --> 03:02:24,690
book, to come out and say, Oh,

2895
03:02:24,690 --> 03:02:27,870
no, wait, Hayes lives in
California with wife Kathy Kim

2896
03:02:27,870 --> 03:02:31,290
and their two children. Okay.
Doesn't mean he doesn't mean

2897
03:02:31,290 --> 03:02:32,250
he's not gay. You don't mean

2898
03:02:32,250 --> 03:02:39,060
nothing. Right. I mean, what I'm
saying is the fact that on his

2899
03:02:39,060 --> 03:02:43,830
walk campus Yeah, no, I hear you
be railroaded and the black

2900
03:02:43,830 --> 03:02:45,300
person which, you know, Oh,

2901
03:02:45,570 --> 03:02:49,020
okay. Yeah, the Berkeley the
Berkeley part is makes it very

2902
03:02:49,020 --> 03:02:51,540
annoying. I gotcha. Now very
annoying.

2903
03:02:51,540 --> 03:02:55,440
Yeah. Um, but I will say this,

2904
03:02:55,500 --> 03:02:56,550
welcome to the bottom.

2905
03:02:58,350 --> 03:03:02,790
The reason why I did this
segment is that we seen a man

2906
03:03:02,790 --> 03:03:05,640
pregnant. I don't mention his
name. Please. Don't feed the

2907
03:03:05,640 --> 03:03:09,270
troll. Please don't feed the
troll folks. Um, we've seen a

2908
03:03:09,270 --> 03:03:16,860
pregnant black man, take over
the headlines. Um, and I think,

2909
03:03:17,730 --> 03:03:20,430
well, let's get let's go and
play 43. And I'll tell you what,

2910
03:03:20,430 --> 03:03:21,570
I think on the backside of it.

2911
03:03:22,080 --> 03:03:25,320
Two months later, I was pregnant
again. So I went back to her at

2912
03:03:25,320 --> 03:03:28,560
16 weeks. I went for an
ultrasound at the clinic and saw

2913
03:03:28,560 --> 03:03:31,170
a different doctor who was
working that day. I found out

2914
03:03:31,170 --> 03:03:34,290
again, I was in preterm labor.
The doctor told me that the baby

2915
03:03:34,290 --> 03:03:37,500
was going to abort. I said, No,
you have to do something. But he

2916
03:03:37,500 --> 03:03:40,980
was adamant. He said, just go
home, let it abort. You can get

2917
03:03:40,980 --> 03:03:44,340
pregnant again because that's
what you people do. My sister

2918
03:03:44,340 --> 03:03:47,100
Kelly was with me. We didn't
know what to do after the doctor

2919
03:03:47,100 --> 03:03:50,370
left. So we saw a chair sitting
sitting in the hallway. My

2920
03:03:50,370 --> 03:03:53,040
sister picked up the chair and
she threw it down the hallway.

2921
03:03:53,160 --> 03:03:55,350
Nurses came running from
everywhere to see what was

2922
03:03:55,350 --> 03:04:00,120
wrong. A nurse called my doctor,
and she put me on a stretcher.

2923
03:04:00,330 --> 03:04:03,930
The next morning, my doctor came
in and placed the star clouds on

2924
03:04:03,930 --> 03:04:07,140
my uterus and I was able to
carry my baby. My daughter, my

2925
03:04:07,140 --> 03:04:11,670
angel who is now 20 years old,
my son, who was saved is now 21

2926
03:04:11,670 --> 03:04:14,550
years old. This is what
desperation looks like that

2927
03:04:14,550 --> 03:04:17,610
chair flying down the hallway.
This is what being your own

2928
03:04:17,610 --> 03:04:20,490
advocate looks like. Everyday
black women are subjected to

2929
03:04:20,490 --> 03:04:23,250
harsh, harsh and racist
treatment during pregnancy and

2930
03:04:23,250 --> 03:04:26,850
childbirth. Everyday black women
die because the system denies

2931
03:04:26,850 --> 03:04:30,690
our humanity. It denies this
patient care. I sit before you

2932
03:04:30,690 --> 03:04:35,130
today as a single mom as a nurse
as an activist and as a

2933
03:04:35,130 --> 03:04:39,120
Congresswoman and I am committed
to doing the absolute most to

2934
03:04:39,120 --> 03:04:43,800
protect black mothers to protect
black babies to put protag black

2935
03:04:43,800 --> 03:04:46,470
birthing people and to save
lives.

2936
03:04:48,720 --> 03:04:53,430
Yeah, what I think they're doing
is politically I'm not talking

2937
03:04:53,430 --> 03:04:58,200
about people socially or
whatever. They tabbies terms

2938
03:04:58,200 --> 03:05:02,940
like black birthing people In
whatever everything she said up

2939
03:05:02,940 --> 03:05:06,330
to that point is a very serious
concern. Because we heard of the

2940
03:05:06,330 --> 03:05:11,820
mortality rates and a women
concern. Yeah. which feeds back

2941
03:05:11,820 --> 03:05:15,420
into what we talked about with
Johns Hopkins and the care that

2942
03:05:15,420 --> 03:05:21,120
they get in, in poor hospitals
or hospitals. That they Well,

2943
03:05:21,150 --> 03:05:23,040
let me say it like this Not for
Hopkins, definitely not for

2944
03:05:23,040 --> 03:05:28,200
hospital, but the two tiered
medical system for poor people.

2945
03:05:28,770 --> 03:05:32,520
And that's a very serious topic.
And they use Oh, black birthing

2946
03:05:32,520 --> 03:05:37,230
people in there. It's like
birthing people. But Hmm, I

2947
03:05:37,230 --> 03:05:41,940
mean, whatever you whatever you
do, you do, but it kind of

2948
03:05:41,940 --> 03:05:47,910
discredits and dis derails a
serious topic. Is that by

2949
03:05:47,910 --> 03:05:51,270
strategy? I don't know. I mean,
I don't know why they're trying

2950
03:05:51,270 --> 03:05:59,190
to lump gay with black and make
it synonymous. Find it very

2951
03:05:59,190 --> 03:06:03,120
troubling. I find it very
troubling. For us, kind of like

2952
03:06:03,120 --> 03:06:04,260
black and brown, it's this.

2953
03:06:05,610 --> 03:06:09,150
No, it's for sure. It's, while
they're doing all this now,

2954
03:06:09,150 --> 03:06:13,770
because everyone's amygdala is
so out of whack. That work. I

2955
03:06:13,770 --> 03:06:17,010
mean, everybody is in constant
fight or flight mode, you know.

2956
03:06:17,010 --> 03:06:20,160
So that's when you're so
susceptible. And I think these

2957
03:06:20,160 --> 03:06:24,420
terms slip in a bone, which
cemented forever. But why

2958
03:06:24,420 --> 03:06:26,970
they're doing this particular? I
mean,

2959
03:06:30,390 --> 03:06:31,950
if this block building

2960
03:06:32,519 --> 03:06:35,819
blocks, yeah, it's pure. It's
purely political. Yeah, I agree.

2961
03:06:35,819 --> 03:06:37,319
That's, that's all that it is.

2962
03:06:38,520 --> 03:06:41,280
When it could be deeper, but
I'll show you another example of

2963
03:06:41,400 --> 03:06:44,280
this. Just go through this right
quick. This is Candace Owens

2964
03:06:44,280 --> 03:06:45,870
with Mark Lamont Hill.

2965
03:06:46,020 --> 03:06:49,500
So to acknowledge a social
construct does not mean that we

2966
03:06:49,500 --> 03:06:53,100
ignore biology. And it doesn't,
it doesn't mean that we don't

2967
03:06:53,100 --> 03:06:53,490
have

2968
03:06:53,520 --> 03:06:59,580
men get pregnant. I know I know,
it depend on I know trans men

2969
03:06:59,580 --> 03:07:02,430
that can get pregnant, that
means it's a woman, only one sex

2970
03:07:03,090 --> 03:07:05,970
argument, this argument is
proving my thing, there is a

2971
03:07:05,970 --> 03:07:08,970
truth, a concrete truth, you
have to be born with a uterus to

2972
03:07:08,970 --> 03:07:11,940
have a baby, only women can get
pregnant, the fact that we've

2973
03:07:11,940 --> 03:07:15,180
arrived in a society. That's the
point of disagreeing something

2974
03:07:15,180 --> 03:07:18,090
is that these are facts. So you
can say that this person who is

2975
03:07:18,090 --> 03:07:20,880
pregnant identifies as a man,
that person was born a woman, I

2976
03:07:20,880 --> 03:07:23,160
can tell you that every single
time because only women can have

2977
03:07:23,160 --> 03:07:26,280
sex, because there are concrete
truths about life, is that the

2978
03:07:26,280 --> 03:07:29,850
kids can have babies pardon. And
that that is a hard truth about

2979
03:07:29,850 --> 03:07:31,950
life, you cannot make that go
away, because you want to call

2980
03:07:31,950 --> 03:07:34,470
him as somebody who has a beard
and dress like a dude, a woman,

2981
03:07:34,560 --> 03:07:36,540
only if it's pregnant, I'll take
and take exactly what it is.

2982
03:07:36,540 --> 03:07:37,050
It's a woman

2983
03:07:37,140 --> 03:07:42,480
and that kind of thing. But I
think this is what we talked

2984
03:07:42,480 --> 03:07:46,860
about before. This is magic.
This is this is a magic spell.

2985
03:07:47,220 --> 03:07:49,860
Oh, thank you. Thank you for
saying that. Before you

2986
03:07:49,860 --> 03:07:52,800
continue, ever since you
returned me and which of course

2987
03:07:52,800 --> 03:07:54,870
is forbidden from show one,
you've turned me on to the

2988
03:07:54,870 --> 03:07:58,800
spell. And I was reading about
spells the other day in the

2989
03:07:58,800 --> 03:08:04,320
context as in the context of, of
how the the church used to work.

2990
03:08:04,740 --> 03:08:07,080
Before the Gutenberg press
before people could read the

2991
03:08:07,080 --> 03:08:11,130
Bible themselves. And you know,
the idea of a spell is literally

2992
03:08:11,130 --> 03:08:15,300
because of the words you're
spelling out words. It is just

2993
03:08:15,300 --> 03:08:19,800
wording spec spelling. The
actual spell is just when when

2994
03:08:19,800 --> 03:08:23,730
you say black birthing person, I
hear that as a spell. Now.

2995
03:08:25,350 --> 03:08:28,620
The same thing with men can have
babies. It's like it does

2996
03:08:28,620 --> 03:08:32,250
something to the brain that you
can hear can his own wishes.

2997
03:08:32,340 --> 03:08:36,210
She's music cool as a cucumber,
which you can see she was

2998
03:08:36,210 --> 03:08:38,310
getting worked up. Yeah,

2999
03:08:38,550 --> 03:08:41,460
she's in pretty new mom herself.
So she's kind of pissed off

3000
03:08:41,460 --> 03:08:42,270
about that.

3001
03:08:43,380 --> 03:08:48,330
Right. But like I said, even if
it's not even a point to argue,

3002
03:08:49,050 --> 03:08:53,910
I mean, that's my thing, but
they use it as a it's just like

3003
03:08:53,910 --> 03:09:00,090
a trigger on nudge to bring you
into the conversation of what

3004
03:09:00,090 --> 03:09:03,360
are we doing here? I mean, like,
seriously, what what what are we

3005
03:09:03,360 --> 03:09:06,390
discussing? I mean, we have a
serious topic, that Corey bush

3006
03:09:06,390 --> 03:09:10,200
he covered promise a minute and
a half. And then you Shimon

3007
03:09:10,200 --> 03:09:10,890
stumbled on the

3008
03:09:10,890 --> 03:09:12,030
words to very

3009
03:09:13,530 --> 03:09:21,270
Yeah. So and then, this is a ben
shapiro clip of transgender

3010
03:09:21,270 --> 03:09:23,670
parents tried to breastfeed,
ciao, this is

3011
03:09:23,670 --> 03:09:26,790
being champion. These are civil
rights heroes. There's a man was

3012
03:09:26,790 --> 03:09:29,400
sticking his nipple in the mouth
of the child in the mouth of a

3013
03:09:29,400 --> 03:09:32,220
small baby, in a bizarre attempt
to nourish the baby with

3014
03:09:32,220 --> 03:09:35,280
literally nothing, and you're a
bigot. If you disagree. You're

3015
03:09:35,280 --> 03:09:39,120
the authoritarian for suggesting
there is a problem here. There

3016
03:09:39,120 --> 03:09:43,710
is apparently a series that is
is called nine months with

3017
03:09:43,710 --> 03:09:47,430
Courtney Cox. It's a docu series
about various couples having

3018
03:09:47,430 --> 03:09:52,500
children. And this went viral
yesterday. It is a video from

3019
03:09:52,680 --> 03:09:57,690
apparently season three episode
eight of nine months with

3020
03:09:57,690 --> 03:10:01,770
Courtney Cox and it features A
transgender man, meaning a

3021
03:10:01,770 --> 03:10:05,760
biological woman, who pushed is
a biological woman, we had a

3022
03:10:05,760 --> 03:10:07,200
baby, there's not a man who had
a baby, because that's not

3023
03:10:07,200 --> 03:10:10,110
possible. There's a biological
woman who used her uterus to

3024
03:10:10,110 --> 03:10:12,300
create a baby and then push the
baby out through her vagina

3025
03:10:12,300 --> 03:10:14,940
because she's a biological woman
once more, and no amount of

3026
03:10:14,940 --> 03:10:17,880
testosterone that produces
facial hair, or growing the hair

3027
03:10:17,880 --> 03:10:21,420
out, or mastectomies changes the
fact that this is a biological

3028
03:10:21,420 --> 03:10:24,030
woman, as evidenced by the fact
that biological men cannot give

3029
03:10:24,030 --> 03:10:28,680
birth. And by the way, you're a
bigot, if you disagree. Not only

3030
03:10:28,680 --> 03:10:31,650
are you bigot, if you bring up
your children to disagree, left

3031
03:10:31,650 --> 03:10:35,430
will will sick your
authoritarian regime on you. I

3032
03:10:35,430 --> 03:10:37,380
mean, this is the way this is
going to go over the next few

3033
03:10:37,380 --> 03:10:40,710
years you watch here is the
bizarre new world we have

3034
03:10:40,710 --> 03:10:42,870
created for ourselves, the
counter reality new world we

3035
03:10:42,870 --> 03:10:45,510
have created for ourselves. But
it doesn't matter. So long as

3036
03:10:45,510 --> 03:10:47,970
these people feel better about
themselves. Sure, the baby's

3037
03:10:47,970 --> 03:10:51,420
gonna starve to death. But at
least the delusional parents

3038
03:10:51,420 --> 03:10:52,650
feel better about themselves.
And

3039
03:10:54,900 --> 03:10:58,140
the reason why I bring all this
up is I saw everybody here catch

3040
03:10:58,140 --> 03:11:03,780
on fire, with the one that won't
be named. Walking around as a

3041
03:11:03,780 --> 03:11:12,480
pregnant man. We have this stop
beating into things that we we

3042
03:11:12,480 --> 03:11:17,040
see things it's like you're
seeing Mr. Trigger, you don't

3043
03:11:17,340 --> 03:11:22,110
stop and watch the magic show.
He's like, keep keep it moving.

3044
03:11:22,500 --> 03:11:28,560
Because that's what they want to
do is drag you in. Until I

3045
03:11:28,560 --> 03:11:33,330
conversation is only gonna leave
you perplexed. It's,

3046
03:11:33,450 --> 03:11:36,300
it's gonna leave you perplexed.
Because if you don't agree,

3047
03:11:36,300 --> 03:11:38,820
you're immediately shamed.
That's why you need to stay away

3048
03:11:38,820 --> 03:11:39,510
from that.

3049
03:11:40,080 --> 03:11:44,490
Right? And if you do agree, it's
like, well, you will never

3050
03:11:44,490 --> 03:11:46,440
agree. And that's the whole
point is to leave you in a

3051
03:11:46,440 --> 03:11:50,490
perpetual state of frustration.
And that in this, how to break

3052
03:11:50,490 --> 03:11:53,370
your wheel. And I will say this
People's Choice, this is

3053
03:11:53,370 --> 03:11:56,070
America, you can do whatever you
want to do with language inside

3054
03:11:56,070 --> 03:11:59,370
the letter of the law. I'm not
saying that. What I'm saying is

3055
03:11:59,370 --> 03:12:02,940
stop being so triggered by what
you see, because that's the

3056
03:12:02,940 --> 03:12:06,090
desire to fake. That's why I
won't mention this character's

3057
03:12:06,090 --> 03:12:10,620
name, because that's what he
wants from you. He wants to

3058
03:12:10,620 --> 03:12:11,400
trigger you to

3059
03:12:16,410 --> 03:12:20,310
like I'm saying this is a public
service announcement. Keep it

3060
03:12:20,310 --> 03:12:22,440
moving, folks. Just keep it
moving.

3061
03:12:22,740 --> 03:12:26,970
OFAC says keep it moving, folks.
Keep it moving in.

3062
03:12:27,150 --> 03:12:31,380
Because you have you have to we
have to have not, you're gonna

3063
03:12:31,380 --> 03:12:33,660
get sucked into a circular
argument. It's only gonna leave

3064
03:12:33,660 --> 03:12:37,560
you frustrated. And that's how
trolls work. The trolls bring

3065
03:12:37,560 --> 03:12:38,610
you into something like

3066
03:12:38,790 --> 03:12:42,810
yes, by the way, the person who
should not go name that it was

3067
03:12:42,810 --> 03:12:43,830
an excellent troll.

3068
03:12:44,880 --> 03:12:49,680
perfectly honest about it. He is
a Master Master.

3069
03:12:50,250 --> 03:12:51,360
Yeah.

3070
03:12:52,380 --> 03:12:55,620
He knows how to get a response
because he used to run a fan

3071
03:12:55,620 --> 03:13:02,460
page for Nicki Minaj. So
understand the power of mean you

3072
03:13:02,460 --> 03:13:07,320
know, he might you're in his
domain. When you get on the

3073
03:13:07,320 --> 03:13:11,670
internet, you're in his domain.
So he knows exactly how to get

3074
03:13:11,670 --> 03:13:14,370
around the you know, the
whatever the sneakers with the

3075
03:13:14,370 --> 03:13:17,430
bla bla bla bla, we won't get
into it. But my point is, I'm

3076
03:13:17,430 --> 03:13:20,670
saying this to people. Don't
allow yourself to be triggered,

3077
03:13:20,820 --> 03:13:23,400
because there's other stuff we
need to worry about, like uterus

3078
03:13:23,400 --> 03:13:24,030
transplant.

3079
03:13:24,180 --> 03:13:28,650
Oh, of course. It's 8am. from
Fox 35. Do you know where your

3080
03:13:28,650 --> 03:13:31,890
uterus is? This is good day
Orlando.

3081
03:13:32,070 --> 03:13:35,010
game changer for some couples
experts think that within the

3082
03:13:35,010 --> 03:13:39,150
next five to 10 years, they
couldn't be possible for men to

3083
03:13:39,150 --> 03:13:43,650
have a baby, carry a baby
deliver a baby, all of it coming

3084
03:13:43,650 --> 03:13:46,800
up next, we're gonna speak to a
local fertility doctor about the

3085
03:13:46,800 --> 03:13:50,340
new development that could
possibly become reality.

3086
03:13:51,780 --> 03:13:55,350
On the Healthwatch this morning,
recently, the Cleveland Clinic

3087
03:13:55,350 --> 03:13:58,950
announced that it is performing
uterus transplant surgery for

3088
03:13:58,950 --> 03:14:01,650
some women that led to some
people to wonder if they could

3089
03:14:01,650 --> 03:14:05,340
transplant the universe into a
man. And if so, can a man give

3090
03:14:05,340 --> 03:14:08,730
birth? The answer is yes. A
doctor from the University of

3091
03:14:08,730 --> 03:14:12,270
Southern California says it can
be a reality in about five to 10

3092
03:14:12,270 --> 03:14:15,690
years and maybe even sooner. Dr.
Mark Charles with Fertility Care

3093
03:14:15,690 --> 03:14:19,500
joins us now to talk about this.
My first question is why? Oh,

3094
03:14:19,500 --> 03:14:19,830
goody.

3095
03:14:19,830 --> 03:14:21,060
goody, I can't wait.

3096
03:14:22,950 --> 03:14:29,850
Seriously? Yes. Yeah, we only
had a permit for it. But this is

3097
03:14:29,850 --> 03:14:30,150
more

3098
03:14:30,150 --> 03:14:33,840
remember, remember mo they have
to get ratings. I mean,

3099
03:14:33,840 --> 03:14:40,410
television. I was looking at the
MTV Video Music Award. I know

3100
03:14:40,410 --> 03:14:43,650
they don't really report
overnight ratings anymore. But a

3101
03:14:43,650 --> 03:14:47,250
couple years ago, they had 12
million people watching will I

3102
03:14:47,250 --> 03:14:50,430
guarantee you it wasn't that
this year. You'll see such a

3103
03:14:50,430 --> 03:14:53,370
poor production now. But it's
not even that it doesn't matter

3104
03:14:53,370 --> 03:14:57,690
which show you put on it doesn't
matter who's doing it.

3105
03:14:58,020 --> 03:14:59,490
Television is done.

3106
03:15:00,000 --> 03:15:03,330
That's why they have to troll
see they have to troll. Yes,

3107
03:15:03,330 --> 03:15:04,260
exactly,

3108
03:15:04,260 --> 03:15:07,890
exactly. And so the troll is a
part of the system is how it

3109
03:15:07,890 --> 03:15:11,160
works. That's exactly right. And
I

3110
03:15:11,160 --> 03:15:14,490
saw clips of that because that
used to be the Illuminati

3111
03:15:16,200 --> 03:15:20,790
combination ball but it was so
low quality. I was listening to

3112
03:15:20,790 --> 03:15:24,150
green screens and the back crowd
was like geez they have fell off

3113
03:15:24,150 --> 03:15:28,170
like their their resort to salt
this source of war tactics of

3114
03:15:28,170 --> 03:15:34,140
having a machine gun Kelly and
what Conor McGregor fight. It's

3115
03:15:34,140 --> 03:15:37,410
like, man, y'all are really
scraping the bottom now.

3116
03:15:38,070 --> 03:15:42,540
I saw that there were a couple
of that checkerboard floors.

3117
03:15:42,540 --> 03:15:46,170
There were some burning hearts
with daggers and there was some

3118
03:15:46,170 --> 03:15:47,040
stuff in there.

3119
03:15:47,100 --> 03:15:52,260
Oh, yeah, clock Chloe. She she's
being groomed to do Yeah, all

3120
03:15:52,260 --> 03:15:54,990
over. She's being groomed to be
the next but what I'm saying is

3121
03:15:54,990 --> 03:15:59,100
the quality of it. I mean, with
such poor quality. It's like

3122
03:15:59,130 --> 03:16:03,000
they're not even getting the top
people to show up or run it

3123
03:16:03,000 --> 03:16:07,260
behind the scenes. So I mean,
we're we're winning the war.

3124
03:16:08,700 --> 03:16:13,380
Easily, easily. No, no, we we
are winning the war. That's why

3125
03:16:13,380 --> 03:16:16,320
podcasting. 2.0 is keeping
everybody honest and keeping

3126
03:16:16,320 --> 03:16:20,130
everybody out of trouble. Where
they can't take that you can't

3127
03:16:20,130 --> 03:16:23,640
be canceled. Your show can't be
canceled. And nor can the money.

3128
03:16:23,670 --> 03:16:26,940
I mean, we love PayPal and cash
app, but that's a problem. We

3129
03:16:26,940 --> 03:16:31,530
can keep going forever. So we
are winning. We are winning we

3130
03:16:31,530 --> 03:16:34,140
are with eventually it's all
going to collapse upon itself.

3131
03:16:34,530 --> 03:16:38,670
But we'll have to do some work
before that happens most

3132
03:16:38,670 --> 03:16:39,780
especially you and I

3133
03:16:40,860 --> 03:16:44,370
but that's what the last block
was about is just don't allow

3134
03:16:44,370 --> 03:16:48,180
yourself to be triggered keep
keep you're not meant to side is

3135
03:16:48,180 --> 03:16:53,010
a real thing. And one part of
that is the is the gaslighting

3136
03:16:53,100 --> 03:16:56,400
aspect of it. So don't don't
fall prey to it.

3137
03:16:58,080 --> 03:17:02,790
And you can tell from this show
how we are. Everything's

3138
03:17:02,790 --> 03:17:08,520
possible. And it isn't even that
hard. So Moe, thank you. This

3139
03:17:08,520 --> 03:17:12,540
was really good mouse. This was
a good potluck. I used you blew

3140
03:17:12,540 --> 03:17:18,900
me away multiple times. Really
cool. I was so refreshing to to

3141
03:17:18,900 --> 03:17:21,810
have a different take on all of
these stories that are that are

3142
03:17:21,810 --> 03:17:28,200
rolling right now. And, you
know, especially props to

3143
03:17:28,200 --> 03:17:31,890
Henrietta Lacks, man. That's the
story I got to dive deep into. I

3144
03:17:31,890 --> 03:17:33,600
got to find out anything more.
It's going

3145
03:17:33,810 --> 03:17:37,290
to evolve into a full show. I
guess I wanted to address it

3146
03:17:37,290 --> 03:17:41,880
now. Because you seem to start
to ramp up with the Crump

3147
03:17:41,880 --> 03:17:45,270
aspect. And the anniversary
coming. He was saying thank God

3148
03:17:45,270 --> 03:17:49,080
for Crump man he keeps us with
material. We appreciate it.

3149
03:17:50,310 --> 03:17:53,190
Thank you. And thank you mo I
really appreciate what you've

3150
03:17:53,190 --> 03:17:53,970
done once again.

3151
03:17:54,510 --> 03:17:58,800
Thank you, Adam. And as I always
say, pay attention to everything

3152
03:17:58,830 --> 03:18:00,150
and the truth reveal itself.

3153
03:18:00,690 --> 03:18:05,100
And two weeks we'll be back but
when's the next live?

3154
03:18:06,300 --> 03:18:08,880
Eight o'clock Wednesday, eight
o'clock Wednesday.

3155
03:18:09,960 --> 03:18:14,430
That's it everybody. Episode
Number 66 mo facts with Adam

3156
03:18:14,430 --> 03:18:19,110
Curry is in the can enjoy it. I
know I certainly did. Please

3157
03:18:19,110 --> 03:18:22,410
remember this is a value for
value podcasts. Nothing works

3158
03:18:22,410 --> 03:18:24,870
without your support. We need
your time your talent and your

3159
03:18:24,870 --> 03:18:29,100
treasure. Go to moe facts.com
for more and of course directly

3160
03:18:29,100 --> 03:18:33,930
to the donation page at mo fund
me.com and use a podcast in 2.0.

3161
03:18:34,890 --> 03:18:37,770
Mo 14 days brother See you then.

3162
03:18:38,369 --> 03:18:39,029
I see you later.