1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:02,190 Adam Curry: Close it down, close the website down. 2 00:00:02,580 --> 00:00:04,620 Unknown: Adam curry, John C. Devorah. 3 00:00:04,680 --> 00:00:07,650 Adam Curry: Sunday June 9 2019. This is your award winning give 4 00:00:07,650 --> 00:00:13,230 our nation media assassination episode 1145. This is no agenda, 5 00:00:13,950 --> 00:00:17,610 serving the knitting community for 11 years and broadcasting 6 00:00:17,610 --> 00:00:19,950 live from the frontier of Austin, Texas capital at the 7 00:00:19,950 --> 00:00:22,950 drone Star State in the morning, everybody. I'm Adam curry 8 00:00:23,130 --> 00:00:25,320 John C. Dvorak: and from Northern Silicon Valley where 9 00:00:25,320 --> 00:00:31,170 this podcast is number three. I'm Jesse Devorah. Buzzkill. 10 00:00:33,390 --> 00:00:36,270 Adam Curry: Yes, beating out that other conservative podcast 11 00:00:36,270 --> 00:00:44,940 Joe Rogan. Oh, John is referring to the what was the name of that 12 00:00:44,940 --> 00:00:45,480 website? 13 00:00:46,260 --> 00:00:48,090 John C. Dvorak: It is Liberty nation 14 00:00:48,120 --> 00:00:50,790 Adam Curry: live internet. It's now that looks kind of pro 15 00:00:50,850 --> 00:00:54,180 Liberty nation. It's just seems it's legit. Seems like a legit 16 00:00:54,180 --> 00:00:59,310 or so this was the we made the top 10 list, which was 17 00:00:59,310 --> 00:01:02,130 apparently a poll it was voted on by the readers of liberty 18 00:01:02,130 --> 00:01:02,640 nation, 19 00:01:03,149 --> 00:01:05,759 John C. Dvorak: top 10 conservative podcast to download 20 00:01:05,759 --> 00:01:06,839 in 2019. 21 00:01:08,160 --> 00:01:11,490 Adam Curry: Number three, do you have the list in front of you? I 22 00:01:11,490 --> 00:01:15,180 do as a matter of so give us give us give us the list two. We 23 00:01:15,180 --> 00:01:15,960 had no numbers. 24 00:01:15,960 --> 00:01:20,040 John C. Dvorak: Ken is the Dan Carlin Hardcore History History 25 00:01:20,040 --> 00:01:22,860 podcast. Again, like the rest of them, but like most of them, it 26 00:01:22,860 --> 00:01:25,500 says quote unquote, not technically a conservative 27 00:01:25,500 --> 00:01:26,340 podcast. 28 00:01:26,610 --> 00:01:30,030 Adam Curry: What does it it doesn't say that just yet says 29 00:01:30,480 --> 00:01:31,020 John C. Dvorak: Oh, really? 30 00:01:31,020 --> 00:01:34,020 Adam Curry: It says it on his podcast on his notes says he's 31 00:01:34,020 --> 00:01:37,230 interested she is on his entry. It says not technically a 32 00:01:37,230 --> 00:01:39,150 conservative podcast. Yeah, but 33 00:01:39,150 --> 00:01:41,100 John C. Dvorak: he got to number 10 Somebody wrote on Twitter 34 00:01:41,100 --> 00:01:44,070 says this isn't really the podcast that conservatives like 35 00:01:44,070 --> 00:01:47,160 to listen to that makes it necessarily conservatives and 36 00:01:47,310 --> 00:01:50,310 most of them aren't. Yeah, that makes sense. Where a lot of 37 00:01:50,310 --> 00:01:54,090 award number nine is part of the problem. I haven't heard that 38 00:01:55,380 --> 00:01:59,790 familiar with uprising which is Liberty nation's pod gay house 39 00:01:59,790 --> 00:02:00,060 pot. 40 00:02:01,380 --> 00:02:02,970 Adam Curry: That's okay. Well, the people who read Liberty 41 00:02:02,970 --> 00:02:05,940 nation I'm sure would be Hey, I'm just happy we're on a list 42 00:02:06,449 --> 00:02:08,669 John C. Dvorak: number seven, the Tom Woods show 43 00:02:09,120 --> 00:02:11,580 Adam Curry: which is a good show. That's a good show. He 44 00:02:12,660 --> 00:02:14,940 John C. Dvorak: apparently is not that conservative. The 45 00:02:14,940 --> 00:02:17,610 Number six The Rubin Report in The Rubin Report is really just 46 00:02:17,610 --> 00:02:21,330 an interview show and it's not a conservative 47 00:02:21,360 --> 00:02:23,580 Adam Curry: Dave Rubin is gay liberal. 48 00:02:24,150 --> 00:02:27,090 John C. Dvorak: Yeah, yeah. I didn't know that he was gay. 49 00:02:27,900 --> 00:02:29,820 Adam Curry: You need to adjust your gaydar 50 00:02:31,920 --> 00:02:33,270 John C. Dvorak: way off reason your gaydar 51 00:02:33,270 --> 00:02:34,710 Adam Curry: needs some adjustment, my friend. 52 00:02:35,940 --> 00:02:38,130 John C. Dvorak: And there's jokes to be told. And number 53 00:02:38,130 --> 00:02:43,860 five, the Federalist podcast which I only listened to once. I 54 00:02:43,860 --> 00:02:47,970 find it to be extremely no offense to the Federalist which 55 00:02:48,000 --> 00:02:52,680 I liked the publication but the podcast is dull. And then number 56 00:02:52,680 --> 00:02:59,700 four, the Joe Rogan experience which is anything but a he's 57 00:02:59,700 --> 00:03:05,190 really kind of a liberal. Yeah. But he's had he's had Alex 58 00:03:05,190 --> 00:03:09,660 Jones, and he likes Alex Jones. Okay, okay. That's sauce. Yes. 59 00:03:10,050 --> 00:03:15,240 Yeah, thus, and number three, no agenda hosted by Adam curry and 60 00:03:15,240 --> 00:03:18,180 John C. Dvorak. The no agenda podcast is a real journey 61 00:03:18,180 --> 00:03:19,860 through the minds of those. 62 00:03:21,690 --> 00:03:23,190 Unknown: Hold on, hold on a second. 63 00:03:25,470 --> 00:03:29,280 Adam Curry: I think I think that someone was doing the list. And 64 00:03:29,280 --> 00:03:31,410 like, Okay, I gotta write a little blurb about each of these 65 00:03:31,410 --> 00:03:34,260 podcasts. And let me listen to five minutes. And if you listen 66 00:03:34,260 --> 00:03:37,200 to the first five minutes of our show, we could indeed be talking 67 00:03:37,200 --> 00:03:44,580 about a restaurant we could be talking about some product and 68 00:03:44,640 --> 00:03:48,120 then we go into our, our personal experience. So if you 69 00:03:48,120 --> 00:03:51,060 listen to like five minutes of the opening of our show, you 70 00:03:51,060 --> 00:03:53,070 probably think oh, these guys go everywhere. 71 00:03:56,100 --> 00:03:59,040 John C. Dvorak: Number two, the Ben Shapiro show which is really 72 00:03:59,220 --> 00:04:01,140 a radio show, but okay. 73 00:04:02,460 --> 00:04:05,970 Adam Curry: Well, it's no it's No, I consider what he does a 74 00:04:05,970 --> 00:04:06,810 podcast. 75 00:04:07,590 --> 00:04:11,340 John C. Dvorak: Well, he's on the radio. And the number one, 76 00:04:11,790 --> 00:04:15,600 the Dan bond Geno show the undisputed number one podcast 77 00:04:15,600 --> 00:04:19,650 for those who liked their liberty in audio form. This show 78 00:04:19,800 --> 00:04:24,690 top the polls have both ln authors and ln readers making it 79 00:04:24,930 --> 00:04:29,250 in other words both groups liked it and have been Gino is a radio 80 00:04:29,250 --> 00:04:34,500 guy. This shows a radio show two I believe I think the two those 81 00:04:34,530 --> 00:04:37,980 Shapiro and Bonjean OIC are crossovers. We're not we're a 82 00:04:37,980 --> 00:04:44,520 pure pure play baby pure play and been Gino is ex Secret 83 00:04:44,520 --> 00:04:47,640 Service was I like to troll podcast. 84 00:04:47,790 --> 00:04:51,660 Adam Curry: He is a natural broadcaster and he would he's I 85 00:04:51,660 --> 00:04:54,300 don't think I think his radio show was on Sirius XM was I 86 00:04:54,300 --> 00:04:56,220 don't know how much radio show without it. 87 00:04:56,220 --> 00:04:58,770 John C. Dvorak: There's a lot of substituting for yes. And that's 88 00:04:58,890 --> 00:04:59,730 that's what's gonna say 89 00:04:59,730 --> 00:05:05,010 Adam Curry: he He's good at am radio talk show type stuff. And 90 00:05:05,010 --> 00:05:09,330 he ended up it's a skill, you need that skill to draw 25 91 00:05:09,330 --> 00:05:13,080 minutes of content out to a full hour because I subscribe to his 92 00:05:13,080 --> 00:05:16,530 podcast, and I like his podcast with us. But I need, you know, 93 00:05:16,530 --> 00:05:19,200 25 minutes of the information kind of wear and I'm sure people 94 00:05:19,200 --> 00:05:21,720 say that about our show. Although we're more than just 95 00:05:21,720 --> 00:05:25,860 information we are. We take you on a journey inside our minds in 96 00:05:25,860 --> 00:05:31,080 our eyes inside our minds. And that's true. It's true. You 97 00:05:31,080 --> 00:05:36,450 know, you come you come for the deconstruction you stay for the 98 00:05:36,450 --> 00:05:41,220 sound effects. There you go. And the stories. That's I think 99 00:05:41,220 --> 00:05:44,580 that's that's where and actually today we're going to be using 100 00:05:44,580 --> 00:05:50,400 some of our, our expertise in in fields to help people 101 00:05:50,610 --> 00:05:52,200 deconstruct what is going on. 102 00:05:52,830 --> 00:05:53,940 John C. Dvorak: What is going on. 103 00:05:54,030 --> 00:05:58,080 Adam Curry: Well, first, John, you can really pick them. I'm 104 00:05:58,080 --> 00:06:02,370 surprised I mean, this show has picked sports competition 105 00:06:02,370 --> 00:06:06,750 winners that has picked we tagged Donald Trump very early 106 00:06:06,750 --> 00:06:10,470 on is going to win the pope named the Pope, the foyer 107 00:06:10,470 --> 00:06:13,980 because all you buy this show. I'll just say it's the show. 108 00:06:15,930 --> 00:06:18,390 We've picked Eurovision Song Contest winners. We've had some 109 00:06:18,390 --> 00:06:21,660 losers too, but usually we're able to pick them pretty 110 00:06:21,660 --> 00:06:26,100 accurately. And wow man on Brexit who would possibly be the 111 00:06:26,100 --> 00:06:29,310 next or just the UK possibly be the next prime minister with the 112 00:06:29,310 --> 00:06:33,660 resignation of Theresa May. You brought up a name which I'd 113 00:06:33,660 --> 00:06:37,740 never heard of before. You kept saying yeah, the GOV guy. Gov. 114 00:06:37,770 --> 00:06:40,650 Gov. Miko. Gov. Well, you can pick them John for 115 00:06:40,650 --> 00:06:43,860 Unknown: the last few weeks Michael Gove has had his sights 116 00:06:43,860 --> 00:06:45,840 set on a promising future. 117 00:06:45,990 --> 00:06:49,230 I can confirm that I will be putting my name foreword to be 118 00:06:49,230 --> 00:06:49,770 prime minister 119 00:06:49,770 --> 00:06:51,090 of this country, but it is 120 00:06:51,090 --> 00:06:54,420 his past that's getting attention right now. Mr. Gove's 121 00:06:54,420 --> 00:06:58,020 cocaine admission comes right, a little of his bid for the Tory 122 00:06:58,020 --> 00:06:58,590 leadership. 123 00:06:58,800 --> 00:07:02,610 Adam Curry: So he had to come out and say I did coke. I did 124 00:07:02,610 --> 00:07:06,090 coke because I guess what's about to publish a book or 125 00:07:06,090 --> 00:07:09,390 something. And this was 20 years ago. But his actual quote about 126 00:07:09,390 --> 00:07:12,120 his misdeeds is perhaps even more interesting. Mr. 127 00:07:12,120 --> 00:07:14,670 Unknown: Gove told the Daily Mail, I took drugs on several 128 00:07:14,670 --> 00:07:18,420 occasions at social events more than 20 years ago. At the time, 129 00:07:18,420 --> 00:07:21,870 I was a young journalist, it was a mistake. I look back and think 130 00:07:21,900 --> 00:07:23,190 I wish I hadn't done that. 131 00:07:23,250 --> 00:07:27,240 Adam Curry: Now, why would he add the moniker at the time I 132 00:07:27,240 --> 00:07:30,720 was a young journalist? Does that mean journalists who are 133 00:07:30,720 --> 00:07:34,830 young are on coke? Is this what they do? They run around. Thank 134 00:07:34,830 --> 00:07:38,760 you for your answer. I've, I have no reason to doubt it. That 135 00:07:38,760 --> 00:07:40,020 that's in there for a reason. 136 00:07:40,560 --> 00:07:42,870 John C. Dvorak: Yeah, that's the reason you just you just 137 00:07:42,930 --> 00:07:46,620 outlined because it's true. No, it's because it's a great 138 00:07:46,620 --> 00:07:49,320 assertion to make. And it's like putting everyone on notice. 139 00:07:49,350 --> 00:07:52,680 Notice. I think a lot of young journalists are on coke. I think 140 00:07:52,680 --> 00:07:56,190 a lot of young people are on coke that are in high pressure 141 00:07:56,190 --> 00:07:59,040 businesses. I think there's a lot of coke heads in Silicon 142 00:07:59,040 --> 00:08:01,890 Valley. And I think there's a lot of coke heads in the New 143 00:08:01,890 --> 00:08:08,940 York Times. Just don't can't say that. I know. The sense of 144 00:08:08,940 --> 00:08:12,870 Adam Curry: it. Well, you're good at detecting that I have no 145 00:08:13,830 --> 00:08:17,190 no drug dar in that in that regard. I cannot tell 146 00:08:18,330 --> 00:08:20,670 John C. Dvorak: you all you do is check them tick and how many 147 00:08:20,670 --> 00:08:21,810 times you go to their nose? 148 00:08:23,430 --> 00:08:26,040 Adam Curry: Well, being someone who has Tourette's and tics you 149 00:08:26,040 --> 00:08:31,830 know, I'd be wary. I'd be wary for you. Right now I got 150 00:08:31,860 --> 00:08:34,980 Tourette's. Now I gotta touch my nose all of a sudden just 151 00:08:34,980 --> 00:08:38,580 because we're talking about it's crazy this disease. It's crazy. 152 00:08:40,740 --> 00:08:44,280 So but of course everyone's okay with it. We don't really care 153 00:08:44,280 --> 00:08:47,820 about his history and we're not America. We're not crazy like 154 00:08:47,820 --> 00:08:50,430 America and all that we get nerdy about what you did in the 155 00:08:50,430 --> 00:08:55,260 past. So so that gets that was a hit job that they tried to pull 156 00:08:55,260 --> 00:08:57,930 off on him and I think it's actually good to point out the 157 00:08:57,930 --> 00:09:00,120 journal that he was a young journalist because that puts the 158 00:09:00,150 --> 00:09:05,310 actual journalists on notice who are reporting on the story. It 159 00:09:05,310 --> 00:09:08,220 does kind of because that's kind of the next obvious question as 160 00:09:08,220 --> 00:09:15,720 was mine so don't really you kids all on coke. The so that 161 00:09:15,720 --> 00:09:20,610 was a a hit job on him. Something that came out 162 00:09:20,730 --> 00:09:25,590 yesterday, which to me means that the hag may be operative 163 00:09:25,590 --> 00:09:30,120 again. Do you remember hag? Yeah, Ha Ji. 164 00:09:31,680 --> 00:09:32,670 John C. Dvorak: As Hey, 165 00:09:32,700 --> 00:09:36,600 Adam Curry: no hags. Yeah, egg, egg, hags, and acronym hag. The 166 00:09:36,600 --> 00:09:38,190 Hillary assassination group. 167 00:09:38,640 --> 00:09:40,800 John C. Dvorak: Oh, they Oh, I forgot all about them. Yeah, the 168 00:09:40,800 --> 00:09:43,500 hag been killing the Republicans in their homes. 169 00:09:43,530 --> 00:09:48,030 Adam Curry: Well, and I one of her two brothers Hillary 170 00:09:48,030 --> 00:09:53,700 Clinton's brothers died. Jonah, Tony Rodham and you know, which 171 00:09:53,730 --> 00:09:59,970 was it was 6465 but the cause of death has not been reported yet. 172 00:10:00,360 --> 00:10:01,140 He's unknown, you 173 00:10:01,140 --> 00:10:04,620 John C. Dvorak: think was part of the peg operation? Well, 174 00:10:05,369 --> 00:10:07,409 Adam Curry: so why wouldn't you just say what happened, you 175 00:10:07,409 --> 00:10:10,589 know, and so you know, when you don't say anything, then 176 00:10:10,589 --> 00:10:12,629 typically a fee is done. It doesn't sound like it was a 177 00:10:12,629 --> 00:10:15,599 sickness, or it may have been a suicide or something. I don't 178 00:10:15,599 --> 00:10:18,269 know if anything has come out since we started the show. 179 00:10:19,050 --> 00:10:20,910 John C. Dvorak: Also leave usually they won't say anything. 180 00:10:20,910 --> 00:10:23,880 If it's AIDS related, generally speaking, I've noticed this, 181 00:10:24,030 --> 00:10:28,110 Adam Curry: right. But we are in the age of mopping up cleaning 182 00:10:28,110 --> 00:10:31,380 up and getting rid of stuff. And this and this is really once 183 00:10:31,380 --> 00:10:35,760 again, I'm so grateful for our value for value network of 184 00:10:36,090 --> 00:10:40,470 producers and dudes and do debt dudes named Ben. Do debts named 185 00:10:40,470 --> 00:10:43,710 Bernadette? I mean, long ago, we made a decision for all of our 186 00:10:43,710 --> 00:10:46,950 show notes and all of our information to be run in the 187 00:10:46,950 --> 00:10:50,640 freedom controller, thank you, Dave Jones, which is structured 188 00:10:50,670 --> 00:10:55,080 all all texts, all show notes, everything is structured. Taxes, 189 00:10:55,110 --> 00:11:00,870 it's XML actually. So it's, it's highly exportable, you could do 190 00:11:00,870 --> 00:11:05,220 all kinds of fun things with it. So that's why we have no agenda 191 00:11:05,220 --> 00:11:09,150 player. That's why we have bing.io for the show notes 192 00:11:09,150 --> 00:11:16,110 search. So very quickly, I was able to bring to the front, 193 00:11:16,140 --> 00:11:19,920 these little nagging remembrance is that I had in the back of my 194 00:11:19,920 --> 00:11:23,970 mind my mind about her brother Tony. Yeah, I 195 00:11:23,970 --> 00:11:25,710 John C. Dvorak: forgot all about him. Well, 196 00:11:25,740 --> 00:11:28,410 Adam Curry: the Thank you. This is what our no agenda network 197 00:11:28,410 --> 00:11:34,530 does. We've got two stories from 2015 When Tony and Hugh both 198 00:11:34,530 --> 00:11:37,950 actually were in the news with controversy, and this is 199 00:11:37,950 --> 00:11:41,970 regarding the 2016 election. So you know, there was already some 200 00:11:41,970 --> 00:11:45,300 stuff brewing and well, first of all, listen to CNN kind of blow 201 00:11:45,300 --> 00:11:46,050 it all off. 202 00:11:46,080 --> 00:11:49,140 Unknown: The allegation is that Hillary Clinton's younger 203 00:11:49,140 --> 00:11:52,860 brother has parlayed his relationship with Bill and 204 00:11:52,860 --> 00:11:55,590 Hillary Clinton throughout the years to come up with some 205 00:11:55,590 --> 00:11:59,730 sometimes dubious business deals for himself. Maggie, would you 206 00:11:59,730 --> 00:12:03,750 just laid it out? Pretty well. Right. I mean, look, there has 207 00:12:03,750 --> 00:12:08,100 been an ongoing focus on the brothers Rodham, right. You rot 208 00:12:08,100 --> 00:12:10,020 on Hillary Clinton's brothers. What was striking about the 209 00:12:10,020 --> 00:12:12,300 story that my colleague Steve eater did is there are these 210 00:12:12,300 --> 00:12:16,290 court transcripts where Tony Rodham openly says I leaned on 211 00:12:16,290 --> 00:12:19,290 my brother in law to get help me. I went through the Clinton 212 00:12:19,290 --> 00:12:22,680 Foundation, he says this. That type of stuff, I think is very 213 00:12:22,680 --> 00:12:25,260 unhelpful that you were going to see an attack mailers, you're 214 00:12:25,260 --> 00:12:27,900 going to see that potentially in ads, it says here when Mr. 215 00:12:27,900 --> 00:12:31,410 Rodham was short on cash in 2010. Mr. Clinton helped him get 216 00:12:31,410 --> 00:12:35,550 a job for $72,000 a year raising investments in green tech, 217 00:12:35,550 --> 00:12:38,730 automotive and electric car company, then owned by Terry 218 00:12:38,730 --> 00:12:41,700 McAuliffe, an old friend of Mr. Clinton's and now the governor 219 00:12:41,700 --> 00:12:43,410 of Virginia, don't we all help our brothers? 220 00:12:44,190 --> 00:12:47,400 I was gonna say, I'm not sure. What's wrong with that. What's 221 00:12:47,400 --> 00:12:47,850 wrong with that? 222 00:12:47,880 --> 00:12:50,790 I know that I think people will forgive helping us. So 223 00:12:50,790 --> 00:12:53,670 we're not a product. I mean, he's not a politician. Right. 224 00:12:53,970 --> 00:12:56,610 Bill Clinton was not an office. It doesn't seem to conflict with 225 00:12:56,610 --> 00:13:00,420 her job as Secretary of State. Oh, no, it didn't help out. The 226 00:13:00,420 --> 00:13:02,640 brother in law. I don't see that as a scandal 227 00:13:02,670 --> 00:13:05,040 to me if there's any issue. I totally agree. I think that 228 00:13:05,040 --> 00:13:08,460 people forgive you help your family you help. I think that 229 00:13:08,460 --> 00:13:10,680 the more you see things up, I you know, I went to the 230 00:13:10,680 --> 00:13:12,900 foundation for help. Now the Foundation says there's no 231 00:13:12,900 --> 00:13:15,450 evidence that we are anything that he said, but it's just it's 232 00:13:15,450 --> 00:13:15,990 not great. 233 00:13:16,080 --> 00:13:17,970 Adam Curry: Oh, yeah. So the foundation does nothing it 234 00:13:17,970 --> 00:13:22,140 doesn't. This was episode 706. By the way of the no agenda show 235 00:13:22,140 --> 00:13:24,600 from that same episode, we brought you this report, 236 00:13:24,630 --> 00:13:27,960 Unknown: Hillary Rodham Clinton's brother, Tony Robbins 237 00:13:27,990 --> 00:13:31,170 sat on the board of a self described a mining company that 238 00:13:31,170 --> 00:13:36,210 in 2012, received one of only two gold exploitation permits 239 00:13:36,360 --> 00:13:40,950 from the Haitian government. The first issued in over 50 years. 240 00:13:41,220 --> 00:13:45,630 The tiny North Carolina company VCS Mining, also included on its 241 00:13:45,630 --> 00:13:49,650 board Bill Clinton's co chair of the Interim Haiti Recovery 242 00:13:49,650 --> 00:13:54,510 Commission, former Haitian Prime Minister John Max Bellary. The 243 00:13:54,510 --> 00:13:58,230 random Goldmine revelation is just one of dozens featured in a 244 00:13:58,230 --> 00:14:01,710 forthcoming bombshell investigative book by three time 245 00:14:01,710 --> 00:14:04,800 New York Times best selling author Peter Schweitzer. 246 00:14:05,040 --> 00:14:07,950 Adam Curry: Now, of course, was Clinton cash. So there's lots of 247 00:14:07,950 --> 00:14:12,990 loose ends with the Tony. And if you have an investigation into 248 00:14:12,990 --> 00:14:17,370 connections with the State Department, shenanigans going on 249 00:14:17,370 --> 00:14:22,770 with the Obama administration, all kinds of missing documents 250 00:14:22,770 --> 00:14:25,020 and there's I don't know how many investigations are now 251 00:14:25,020 --> 00:14:28,170 running. We've got multiple inspectors general, you know, 252 00:14:28,170 --> 00:14:30,480 maybe Tony got in the way. 253 00:14:34,050 --> 00:14:38,310 John C. Dvorak: Ah, could be I have no no better answer on the 254 00:14:38,310 --> 00:14:38,790 list. 255 00:14:38,940 --> 00:14:41,340 Adam Curry: I have no better answer since no, there's no 256 00:14:41,340 --> 00:14:49,140 information. Among the list on the list of what oh, the hag 257 00:14:49,140 --> 00:14:50,550 list, the body count, 258 00:14:51,120 --> 00:14:54,060 John C. Dvorak: but against Clinton body count. It's not 259 00:14:54,060 --> 00:14:54,990 just about Hillary. 260 00:14:57,270 --> 00:14:58,320 Adam Curry: Yes, exactly. 261 00:14:59,820 --> 00:15:02,490 John C. Dvorak: That's I know was the last time you looked at 262 00:15:02,490 --> 00:15:03,060 that list is 263 00:15:03,060 --> 00:15:06,150 Adam Curry: huge, which is a bit it's quite a big list. And I 264 00:15:06,150 --> 00:15:06,960 feel bad about 265 00:15:06,990 --> 00:15:09,210 John C. Dvorak: you gotta go, hey, you know, this list is a 266 00:15:09,210 --> 00:15:12,300 little better. No, this is pretty big this list. 267 00:15:13,440 --> 00:15:15,570 Adam Curry: I feel bad about going straight to this. I mean, 268 00:15:15,570 --> 00:15:19,890 even last night, I'm reading it, you should get this article. And 269 00:15:19,890 --> 00:15:23,580 I go. And the keeper immediately goes, Oh, don't tell me he was 270 00:15:23,580 --> 00:15:28,050 killed as well, you know, since they haven't told us what 271 00:15:28,050 --> 00:15:31,920 happened. You know, there's, you just gotta, you gotta think 272 00:15:31,920 --> 00:15:35,160 about stuff. And I just recall that he was controversial a 273 00:15:35,160 --> 00:15:38,490 couple of years ago, the round elections and it was important, 274 00:15:38,490 --> 00:15:41,700 and they poopoo that on CNN yet there was all kinds of 275 00:15:41,940 --> 00:15:44,190 shenanigans with the gold mine in Haiti. 276 00:15:45,060 --> 00:15:47,730 John C. Dvorak: The Gold Line in Haiti is a classic, 277 00:15:47,760 --> 00:15:51,960 Adam Curry: but it is a classic one of two licenses. Okay. Who 278 00:15:51,960 --> 00:15:56,640 knows? Who knows. But I guess if you look at the New York Times, 279 00:15:57,510 --> 00:16:02,550 front page today, you will see the topic I'd like to discuss 280 00:16:03,000 --> 00:16:04,650 the ad pocalypse. 281 00:16:05,100 --> 00:16:07,410 John C. Dvorak: Okay, so I have thoughts on this because this 282 00:16:07,410 --> 00:16:10,740 thing is I'm going to let you do your thing. But first of all, 283 00:16:11,040 --> 00:16:14,190 I'm going to kind of predict what you're going to do. 284 00:16:14,550 --> 00:16:18,630 Adam Curry: Why would you do that? Why, yeah, why would you 285 00:16:18,630 --> 00:16:21,150 predict what the outcome of what I'm about to say is? 286 00:16:21,660 --> 00:16:24,210 John C. Dvorak: Because it could be wrong. And then you can 287 00:16:24,210 --> 00:16:25,140 gloat. And if 288 00:16:25,140 --> 00:16:26,850 Adam Curry: you're right, then I don't have to do it. Is that the 289 00:16:26,880 --> 00:16:27,480 is that the point? 290 00:16:29,370 --> 00:16:32,340 John C. Dvorak: Okay, and I can predict anything? Actually, I 291 00:16:32,340 --> 00:16:35,580 had my mind made up what I was going to do, because I knew you 292 00:16:35,580 --> 00:16:38,910 were going to do this, because you telegraphed it on Twitter. 293 00:16:40,230 --> 00:16:48,690 Oh, I had I did I did I said, Oh, this is my okay. I'm very 294 00:16:48,690 --> 00:16:53,340 disappointed by your counter art. But no, my art not my car 295 00:16:53,340 --> 00:16:57,780 was was good. But then I read this article. Yeah. Oh, geez. 296 00:16:58,320 --> 00:17:01,710 Adam Curry: And actually, there is something important. We need 297 00:17:01,710 --> 00:17:04,440 to do first into people's brains are getting fried, trying to 298 00:17:04,440 --> 00:17:08,730 understand the perceived censorship of conservatives on 299 00:17:08,730 --> 00:17:15,660 social media. And this week, in particular, it was YouTube. Now, 300 00:17:15,690 --> 00:17:19,170 the way all media sees this, whether it's alternative, 301 00:17:19,170 --> 00:17:24,450 whether it's mainstream, except for this show, and this is so I 302 00:17:24,450 --> 00:17:31,080 was telegraphing, I was also gauging response that were 303 00:17:31,080 --> 00:17:33,930 pretty much the only ones or I think you're going to be on 304 00:17:33,930 --> 00:17:37,920 board with most what I have to say, who see this in the way 305 00:17:37,980 --> 00:17:42,870 that it's actually unfolding and what this is really about. So in 306 00:17:42,870 --> 00:17:45,900 the in the in the lexicon, the ways people speak, in fact, I 307 00:17:45,900 --> 00:17:51,630 have a I have a little this was on Friday, Glenn Greenwald, was 308 00:17:51,630 --> 00:17:54,150 on Tucker Carlson which is always a fun match since 309 00:17:54,180 --> 00:17:58,830 Greenwald is definitely not the your typical Fox guest. And 310 00:17:58,860 --> 00:18:03,330 here's his take on what went down. And he's missing one 311 00:18:03,330 --> 00:18:04,320 important piece. Yeah, 312 00:18:04,350 --> 00:18:08,040 I mean, I personally find Steven Crowder to be a just a 313 00:18:08,040 --> 00:18:11,610 contemptuous cretin as a commentator, I do think he's an 314 00:18:11,610 --> 00:18:14,970 infantile bully, which and bigot which are not words I easily 315 00:18:14,970 --> 00:18:18,840 invoke. He didn't just criticize Carlos Maza. He mocked him for 316 00:18:18,840 --> 00:18:22,500 being gay and for being Latino used to Lisp and things to 317 00:18:22,680 --> 00:18:25,680 ridicule him sent a lot of harassment his way but that's 318 00:18:25,680 --> 00:18:29,310 the point talker is that censorship advocates want our 319 00:18:29,310 --> 00:18:33,870 brains to only go to that most primitive first level of do we 320 00:18:33,870 --> 00:18:36,840 hate this person? And are we therefore glad that they're 321 00:18:36,840 --> 00:18:39,570 being censored without thinking about the framework being 322 00:18:39,570 --> 00:18:43,650 endorsed or the consequences that ensue from it? I mean, I 323 00:18:43,650 --> 00:18:46,260 personally or resonates a lot for me, because I've dealt with 324 00:18:46,260 --> 00:18:49,800 harassment far greater than Carlos Maza is complaining of 325 00:18:49,800 --> 00:18:52,410 I'm a gay man in a country, Brazil that just elected a 326 00:18:52,410 --> 00:18:57,690 president, driven by intense anti gay animus, my husband is a 327 00:18:57,690 --> 00:19:00,540 member of Congress and the oppositional party. We've been 328 00:19:00,540 --> 00:19:03,150 mocked and derided with our sexual orientation, not by 329 00:19:03,150 --> 00:19:06,090 random YouTubers, but by the President of the country himself 330 00:19:06,090 --> 00:19:09,840 on Twitter, and his family members who are elected members 331 00:19:09,840 --> 00:19:14,370 of Congress. And it would never occur to me to run to social 332 00:19:14,370 --> 00:19:18,390 media companies to beg for censorship. Because in part, 333 00:19:18,390 --> 00:19:20,310 it's just something that comes with the territory of being a 334 00:19:20,310 --> 00:19:23,040 public figure. But more so because I don't want to live in 335 00:19:23,040 --> 00:19:27,690 a world where our discourse is policed and determined by 336 00:19:27,690 --> 00:19:32,010 benevolent overlords who runs Silicon Valley companies, were 337 00:19:32,040 --> 00:19:36,300 always going to cater to the most powerful faction, that's 338 00:19:36,300 --> 00:19:39,900 what happened here, YouTube caved in, not in defense of the 339 00:19:39,900 --> 00:19:43,380 marginalized person, but in defense of the powerful one, the 340 00:19:43,380 --> 00:19:47,160 one who despite being gay and Latino works for a major media 341 00:19:47,160 --> 00:19:49,740 conglomerate and that's what they're always gonna do is 342 00:19:49,740 --> 00:19:53,790 defend the mob and defend the powerful at the expense of those 343 00:19:53,790 --> 00:19:55,530 who are marginalized. 344 00:19:55,590 --> 00:20:00,240 So Glenn Greenwald is correct. That Silicon Valley company He's 345 00:20:00,270 --> 00:20:04,650 will always cater to the strongest influence. But he's 346 00:20:04,650 --> 00:20:08,040 incorrect in saying that the that they will always cater to 347 00:20:08,040 --> 00:20:12,330 the strongest influence being big media corporations, no 348 00:20:12,360 --> 00:20:17,460 bullshit. And and we're going to explain why. And with this Vox, 349 00:20:17,490 --> 00:20:23,220 Crowder, gay wonk, whatever it was controversy, that timing was 350 00:20:23,220 --> 00:20:27,150 perfect for a 21 month investigative piece to be 351 00:20:27,150 --> 00:20:32,310 published today. That's just so coincidental. This is the making 352 00:20:32,310 --> 00:20:35,280 of a YouTube radical. This is the front page of The New York 353 00:20:35,280 --> 00:20:41,760 Times, which really shows you how evil YouTube is at a 354 00:20:41,760 --> 00:20:45,600 systemic level. And the people on it in particular, pointing 355 00:20:45,600 --> 00:20:49,320 out Stefan Molyneux, I think he can be prepared for what's 356 00:20:49,320 --> 00:20:50,640 coming. Now there 357 00:20:50,640 --> 00:20:52,200 John C. Dvorak: was actually on the front page of The New York 358 00:20:52,200 --> 00:20:56,340 Times. A couple of things. One they had to for the front page 359 00:20:56,340 --> 00:20:59,460 of the Online Edition they had for people. 360 00:20:59,610 --> 00:21:01,500 Adam Curry: It's on the front, it's on the front page of the of 361 00:21:01,500 --> 00:21:02,580 the printed edition two. 362 00:21:03,150 --> 00:21:06,630 John C. Dvorak: Okay, they had these four people. I think the 363 00:21:06,630 --> 00:21:10,260 front page of the online is pretty much a reflection. On the 364 00:21:10,380 --> 00:21:12,810 online version. They had them in motion. They're moving there. 365 00:21:12,870 --> 00:21:13,170 Oh, yeah. 366 00:21:13,170 --> 00:21:16,170 Adam Curry: It's animated. Yeah, that's better. It's an extra 367 00:21:16,170 --> 00:21:16,800 dimension. 368 00:21:17,310 --> 00:21:19,320 John C. Dvorak: Yeah, it's actually it's kind of cool. So 369 00:21:19,320 --> 00:21:21,990 they had the blonde in the bunker, wherever there are 370 00:21:21,990 --> 00:21:25,950 Blondie, blondie, whatever name is on the left. And then they 371 00:21:25,950 --> 00:21:30,570 had Paul. And then they had the other Paul Watson. Who's the guy 372 00:21:30,570 --> 00:21:33,060 with the beard? I've seen him before, but I for some reason I 373 00:21:33,060 --> 00:21:37,500 did. And they didn't have a name of anybody either, either. I 374 00:21:37,740 --> 00:21:41,610 don't know. Do you know Help? Somebody in the chat room knows 375 00:21:41,610 --> 00:21:45,120 who that is? Well, you said, you said to Paul, I don't know who 376 00:21:45,120 --> 00:21:45,570 it is. 377 00:21:45,600 --> 00:21:48,840 Adam Curry: Okay. Well, I'll open up the article then. Hold 378 00:21:48,840 --> 00:21:54,150 on. I'm gonna tell you exactly who it is. Yeah, they got me 379 00:21:54,150 --> 00:21:56,220 they haven't they must have a million different pictures on 380 00:21:56,220 --> 00:21:58,200 this article. On the front page article. 381 00:21:58,200 --> 00:22:00,540 John C. Dvorak: The articles got a million pictures. Okay, on the 382 00:22:00,720 --> 00:22:03,930 front page of the times that you have these four guys. Okay, let 383 00:22:03,930 --> 00:22:06,990 me take a look. And I can tell you for a fact that on the on 384 00:22:06,990 --> 00:22:09,750 the article, I can't identify more than one or two people 385 00:22:09,750 --> 00:22:10,410 there. Okay. 386 00:22:10,440 --> 00:22:13,650 Adam Curry: The Lauren southern. 387 00:22:13,740 --> 00:22:15,810 Unknown: I mean, it's if you're looking at Lauren southern 388 00:22:15,810 --> 00:22:16,830 that's blondie. That's 389 00:22:16,830 --> 00:22:21,720 Adam Curry: Lauren southern. Lauren southern. Yes, Laura. It 390 00:22:21,720 --> 00:22:25,590 even says it in the caption, John. Okay, clockwise from 391 00:22:25,590 --> 00:22:29,040 flatters blonde Ellis just Lauren southern Stefan Molyneux, 392 00:22:29,040 --> 00:22:33,990 Paul Joseph Watson, and rebel media rebel media would be on 393 00:22:33,990 --> 00:22:39,090 the left though that's not to. That's Paul Joseph. Paul, Joseph 394 00:22:39,090 --> 00:22:40,950 Watson on the right. So it's incorrect. The even their 395 00:22:40,950 --> 00:22:44,820 caption is incorrect. And it's an it's actually it's a nice 396 00:22:44,820 --> 00:22:49,620 long piece, very long article. But before we get to that, what 397 00:22:49,620 --> 00:22:54,750 we're going, what we're going to talk about is advertising. And I 398 00:22:54,750 --> 00:22:57,960 think it's probably a good idea for us to state our credentials, 399 00:22:58,140 --> 00:23:01,410 in particular, digital advertising, because for some 400 00:23:01,410 --> 00:23:05,280 reason, people think they understand advertising the 401 00:23:05,280 --> 00:23:10,080 misconception that advertising is, oh, well, you get bigger 402 00:23:10,080 --> 00:23:12,450 numbers, you make more money. It's how it works. Everybody 403 00:23:12,450 --> 00:23:15,300 gets it. advertisers don't care if to advertise. They just want 404 00:23:15,300 --> 00:23:18,270 eyeballs, and it's what I bought. That's how it works. And 405 00:23:18,270 --> 00:23:18,810 I think this 406 00:23:18,810 --> 00:23:20,670 John C. Dvorak: started with timecode down. Yes, 407 00:23:20,760 --> 00:23:24,810 Adam Curry: I think this started with, really with the first ad 408 00:23:24,810 --> 00:23:30,210 networks and the display, where we had the display ads first, if 409 00:23:30,210 --> 00:23:33,630 it just showed on a web page, you remember those days, you'd 410 00:23:33,630 --> 00:23:34,260 make money. 411 00:23:34,620 --> 00:23:36,540 John C. Dvorak: The banner ended by a couple of guys that used to 412 00:23:36,540 --> 00:23:39,030 work at PC Magazine when they went over to see net, which is 413 00:23:39,030 --> 00:23:41,490 the company that invented the banner ad 414 00:23:42,150 --> 00:23:44,010 Adam Curry: to the ad banner ads. And you know, this has 415 00:23:44,010 --> 00:23:47,880 morphed over time. But let's just go back to my credentials. 416 00:23:48,210 --> 00:23:52,710 They besides having brought Budweiser to MTV, which was very 417 00:23:52,710 --> 00:23:57,480 precarious, that but MTV really wanted Budweiser on the channel 418 00:23:57,480 --> 00:24:02,400 who felt that for the money, no other reason for the money. And 419 00:24:02,490 --> 00:24:05,730 that there wasn't they couldn't figure out a way to do it. Until 420 00:24:05,730 --> 00:24:08,400 we came up with the idea of spring break. Spring break was 421 00:24:08,400 --> 00:24:12,120 created for Budweiser, not because MTV wanted to go show 422 00:24:12,120 --> 00:24:15,360 how much fun kids were having. It was to get Budweiser on the 423 00:24:15,360 --> 00:24:19,530 channel. And there were several stipulations. The main one was, 424 00:24:19,770 --> 00:24:24,300 nothing could be done live at MTV, did Mardi Gras we do live, 425 00:24:24,300 --> 00:24:27,840 we do live all the time, back in the day, at least. It's all 426 00:24:27,840 --> 00:24:33,300 over. But spring break, spring break, Spring Break had to be 427 00:24:33,900 --> 00:24:37,350 tape taped and edited and delayed because Budweiser could 428 00:24:37,350 --> 00:24:41,700 not condone anything happening that would involve kids drunk, 429 00:24:41,940 --> 00:24:46,020 which is pretty much what spring break is. But it happened. And 430 00:24:46,020 --> 00:24:48,720 we got, you know, Budweiser and Bud Light and it was you know, 431 00:24:48,720 --> 00:24:52,200 it was fantastic. And in fact for them. We brought in nivia 432 00:24:52,230 --> 00:24:54,690 for some of the stuff that you know, that might portray too 433 00:24:54,690 --> 00:24:57,690 much drunkenness. So they had different advertisers. But the 434 00:24:57,690 --> 00:25:00,600 the sensitivity of the advertisers went on When I'm 435 00:25:00,600 --> 00:25:04,920 getting to, so I started a company in 1993, called onramp 436 00:25:05,220 --> 00:25:10,350 bought 15 other digital agencies and created think new ideas took 437 00:25:10,350 --> 00:25:15,480 that public on NASDAQ in 1996. With Omni comm arguably the 438 00:25:15,480 --> 00:25:19,530 biggest either number to one or two, depending on WPP, who you 439 00:25:19,530 --> 00:25:23,250 arguing with conglomerate of advertising agencies that were 440 00:25:23,250 --> 00:25:27,030 our largest shareholder personally invested by John ran 441 00:25:27,030 --> 00:25:30,840 the CEO. And we built the first leg 442 00:25:31,260 --> 00:25:34,170 John C. Dvorak: flag these companies bought up everybody. 443 00:25:34,200 --> 00:25:35,760 Adam Curry: Well, they didn't buy us up, we wouldn't let they 444 00:25:35,760 --> 00:25:37,530 wanted to buy just said no, we'll go up look 445 00:25:38,190 --> 00:25:40,350 John C. Dvorak: at all these little advertising agencies and 446 00:25:40,350 --> 00:25:43,800 some big ones used to be very famous Doyle, Dane and burnback. 447 00:25:43,830 --> 00:25:46,440 You know, these guys in that those guys, and they all ended 448 00:25:46,440 --> 00:25:51,510 up being part of a giant conglomerate. Terrible. Yes. And 449 00:25:51,510 --> 00:25:53,490 they call the shots and we continue, please 450 00:25:53,580 --> 00:25:57,090 Adam Curry: have built the first website for actually Budweiser 451 00:25:57,090 --> 00:26:00,570 was my first call. We got budweiser.com bud.com blog, 452 00:26:00,570 --> 00:26:03,780 like.com reebok.com, they didn't have a website, we built 453 00:26:03,780 --> 00:26:08,520 reebok.com pant tampax.com built this company, our company thick 454 00:26:08,520 --> 00:26:14,070 new ideas to 700 and employees, seven different countries. $450 455 00:26:14,070 --> 00:26:17,790 million in revenue. Yeah, this is when you were famous. This 456 00:26:17,790 --> 00:26:21,720 was and this was a and we were there with agency.com was called 457 00:26:21,720 --> 00:26:26,820 Digital Silicon Alley, Jason Calacanis was still in New York. 458 00:26:27,510 --> 00:26:30,960 So learned a lot about the sensitivities of advertisers. 459 00:26:30,960 --> 00:26:34,620 Let me give you a few examples. From the early days, Reebok, we 460 00:26:34,620 --> 00:26:39,000 built plan@reebok.com, and we put a forum in there, get a 461 00:26:39,000 --> 00:26:43,290 tannish call from the from the wasn't the CEO, but as the Chief 462 00:26:43,320 --> 00:26:46,860 Marketing Officer, people are talking about our shoes that 463 00:26:46,860 --> 00:26:48,750 they're being made by children on this forum, what are you 464 00:26:48,750 --> 00:26:53,130 gonna do close it down, close the website? Dang. She was a 465 00:26:53,130 --> 00:26:54,390 woman. That's the crazy part. 466 00:26:54,390 --> 00:26:56,910 John C. Dvorak: That's how she sounded. That's another time 467 00:26:56,910 --> 00:26:57,210 code. 468 00:26:57,990 --> 00:27:00,720 Adam Curry: It may unfortunately be this way for the whole show. 469 00:27:04,500 --> 00:27:08,640 And, you know, these were huge issues we had to AT and T Oh, my 470 00:27:08,640 --> 00:27:11,640 goodness, just a smaller example. Shut the website that 471 00:27:11,640 --> 00:27:16,260 we did the you will campaign, you will you will.com Which she 472 00:27:16,260 --> 00:27:20,040 registered, was member Tom Selleck. And he had these 473 00:27:20,040 --> 00:27:23,160 stylized, and of course, it all came true, he'd be sitting on 474 00:27:23,160 --> 00:27:27,690 the beach with some kind of digital thing, some slab of 475 00:27:27,690 --> 00:27:31,350 whatever, one day, you'll send an email from the beach, you 476 00:27:31,350 --> 00:27:34,920 will, you know, so we built the website, you will.com. And it 477 00:27:34,920 --> 00:27:38,940 was a it was a promotion, with a feedback loop. But these are the 478 00:27:38,940 --> 00:27:46,020 days of color monitors that did 256 colors. And the the, again, 479 00:27:46,050 --> 00:27:48,900 the we usually dealt with with the chief with the C suite, the 480 00:27:48,900 --> 00:27:51,960 Chief Marketing Officers in buying from the CEO so it was a 481 00:27:51,990 --> 00:27:56,010 big deal. They were looking at the AT and T logo which of 482 00:27:56,010 --> 00:27:59,670 course has to be so many pixels from within talking pixels at 483 00:27:59,670 --> 00:28:03,210 the time. So so many inches from the border of the page, and 484 00:28:03,210 --> 00:28:06,960 you're from any content around it, but because of the color of 485 00:28:06,960 --> 00:28:11,160 the monitors and the state of of color correctness and, and 486 00:28:11,160 --> 00:28:11,880 clarity, 487 00:28:11,940 --> 00:28:12,930 John C. Dvorak: none exist, they 488 00:28:12,930 --> 00:28:17,040 Adam Curry: didn't look like the at&t blue logo, shut the website 489 00:28:17,040 --> 00:28:20,190 down. You know, I had to I had to fly. The Fly I think was in 490 00:28:20,190 --> 00:28:24,030 Boston at the time. whoever's in charge of it then had to explain 491 00:28:25,110 --> 00:28:28,590 that that's not how so they're very, very, very sad. Oh, here's 492 00:28:28,590 --> 00:28:32,820 another one's my favorite weed. So we were at all we after being 493 00:28:32,820 --> 00:28:36,000 digital, we really became a full service agency and also did 494 00:28:36,000 --> 00:28:39,900 television commercials. And we did a big positioning piece for 495 00:28:39,900 --> 00:28:43,650 Oracle for the Super Bowl. And this would have been super bowl. 496 00:28:44,790 --> 00:28:51,330 Oh man, the one in 9798 Can't remember. Oracle was major 497 00:28:51,330 --> 00:28:54,270 sponsor and we did this beautiful, you know, like you 498 00:28:54,270 --> 00:29:00,180 see monk's positioning piece where Oracle we're saving the 499 00:29:00,180 --> 00:29:04,200 world is gonna be great. And we had a, one of the first times a 500 00:29:04,200 --> 00:29:11,070 URL ran on the screen on the screen. It was insane oracle.com 501 00:29:13,980 --> 00:29:16,560 In fact, it might have been Oracle contest.com or some 502 00:29:16,560 --> 00:29:21,930 specialized thing. So this was to sell Oracle's wares. And 503 00:29:22,080 --> 00:29:24,870 people started hitting the server. The minute that popped 504 00:29:24,870 --> 00:29:28,950 up on screen, we were running the server and everything got 505 00:29:28,950 --> 00:29:31,680 overloaded pretty much immediately. We had no idea what 506 00:29:31,680 --> 00:29:34,770 to expect these things hadn't been done yet. Unfortunately, we 507 00:29:34,830 --> 00:29:37,710 Well fortunately, we had put some failover stuffing to 508 00:29:37,710 --> 00:29:43,980 multiple servers. And some of those were IIS Internet 509 00:29:43,980 --> 00:29:48,870 Information servers running on windows with the Microsoft SQL 510 00:29:48,870 --> 00:29:56,790 back end. And somehow it failed over to these other websites. It 511 00:29:56,790 --> 00:29:59,850 got hammered so bad that an error appeared on the screen 512 00:29:59,850 --> 00:30:05,130 with Oracle no contest.com error Microsoft SQL Server Internet 513 00:30:05,130 --> 00:30:09,450 Information Server, let me tell you, we got fired. I got fired 514 00:30:09,450 --> 00:30:09,960 for that. 515 00:30:10,500 --> 00:30:12,180 John C. Dvorak: Yeah, I would fire you too. 516 00:30:12,210 --> 00:30:15,030 Adam Curry: Of course you would. Of course I even tried to lie it 517 00:30:15,030 --> 00:30:19,590 off, but it didn't work. So we got fired. There is such since 518 00:30:19,590 --> 00:30:21,960 John C. Dvorak: he vaguely remember that incident because 519 00:30:21,960 --> 00:30:24,840 it may have floated around in the in the tech writing all that 520 00:30:24,840 --> 00:30:28,320 kudos. Yeah. Yeah, I think it was one of those things we run 521 00:30:28,320 --> 00:30:32,100 into Microsoft did the same thing. When they bought Hotmail. 522 00:30:32,100 --> 00:30:33,720 And it turned out they were running, it was running. 523 00:30:34,170 --> 00:30:37,230 Adam Curry: It was running on Linux. Exactly. I remember that, 524 00:30:37,230 --> 00:30:40,350 too. That was very embarrassing. It's not running on your on your 525 00:30:40,350 --> 00:30:44,370 Exchange Server. What Yeah, of course, tried running 100 people 526 00:30:44,370 --> 00:30:50,610 on exchange, let alone hundreds of millions. So the point is, I 527 00:30:50,610 --> 00:30:55,170 have a lot of experience with advertisers and sensitivity that 528 00:30:55,170 --> 00:30:59,520 they have. And controversy. If it's uncontrolled, they love 529 00:30:59,610 --> 00:31:04,080 controversy can be great. A Reebok and Nike both use this 530 00:31:04,080 --> 00:31:06,870 all the time when it's controlled controversy, when 531 00:31:06,870 --> 00:31:09,570 they know the parameters they know where it could spin out of 532 00:31:09,570 --> 00:31:14,040 control. But if it's an unknown, if they really don't know, even 533 00:31:14,040 --> 00:31:18,870 the smallest risk, the smallest risk will be taken as let's 534 00:31:18,900 --> 00:31:22,800 avoid it. Let's not do that things go bad. John, I'd like 535 00:31:22,800 --> 00:31:25,800 you to just briefly give us a few of your credentials. So we 536 00:31:25,830 --> 00:31:29,850 so people understand that we come from a business where we 537 00:31:29,880 --> 00:31:33,630 really understand what's going on. And it's way beyond just 538 00:31:33,660 --> 00:31:34,560 numbers. 539 00:31:35,490 --> 00:31:37,110 John C. Dvorak: Well, I've talked about on the last show, 540 00:31:37,110 --> 00:31:39,330 which is the fact that I've always worked in commercial 541 00:31:39,330 --> 00:31:42,120 environments, they said, Well, I was on public radio for a while, 542 00:31:42,240 --> 00:31:45,990 but that's very similar, except that the commercial environment 543 00:31:45,990 --> 00:31:49,560 is kind of hidden from the public. But you know, PC 544 00:31:49,560 --> 00:31:52,890 Magazine, San Francisco Examiner, and some of these, I 545 00:31:52,890 --> 00:31:56,460 probably every computer magazine, that was done in the 546 00:31:56,490 --> 00:32:00,570 80s. I written for him, I've written for all of them. And and 547 00:32:00,570 --> 00:32:04,080 I've written for the New York Times and elsewhere. And, and 548 00:32:04,080 --> 00:32:07,500 you are very cognizant of the fact even though you don't talk 549 00:32:07,500 --> 00:32:11,820 about it too much of of advertisers and what and what 550 00:32:11,820 --> 00:32:14,910 their influence is, and you get condemned for it constantly. 551 00:32:15,600 --> 00:32:18,180 People always say, well, the only reason you're doing that is 552 00:32:18,180 --> 00:32:21,120 because you've got to get a lot of advertisers in the magazines 553 00:32:21,150 --> 00:32:23,940 that support this. And so he won't say anything bad about 554 00:32:23,940 --> 00:32:28,980 him. But ironically, the public doesn't seem to really have a 555 00:32:28,980 --> 00:32:34,230 clue. They that's an old bromide that go the advertisers are 556 00:32:34,230 --> 00:32:37,440 influencing the editorial, because the main one that did 557 00:32:37,440 --> 00:32:40,500 always bitch and moan about was Microsoft, right? And they'd 558 00:32:40,500 --> 00:32:44,160 always say, well, Microsoft, owns PC Magazine, Microsoft, 559 00:32:44,160 --> 00:32:48,120 Microsoft, Microsoft, and Microsoft rarely, if ever 560 00:32:49,290 --> 00:32:54,570 advertised in PC Magazine, US and almost never yet they will 561 00:32:54,570 --> 00:32:58,530 always blame them because they don't want to hurt their 562 00:32:58,530 --> 00:33:01,320 feelings. I mean, they editors are pretty soft about a lot of 563 00:33:01,320 --> 00:33:04,020 this stuff. But my one of my favorite examples was I was in 564 00:33:04,050 --> 00:33:06,750 being syndicated around the world and all these crazy little 565 00:33:06,750 --> 00:33:10,440 PC magazines that were everywhere. And I and I wrote 566 00:33:10,440 --> 00:33:14,580 something up that pissed off Microsoft. And they even though 567 00:33:14,580 --> 00:33:17,340 they don't advertise, they have a lot of they had a lot of 568 00:33:17,340 --> 00:33:21,930 public relations people and they had me banned from PC Magazine, 569 00:33:21,960 --> 00:33:26,160 Italy, of all places, really. And I found this out from the 570 00:33:26,160 --> 00:33:29,430 Italian I AP and Microsoft made a big stink said they'll never 571 00:33:29,430 --> 00:33:32,250 advertise again, if a Devorah column ever appears in our 572 00:33:32,250 --> 00:33:34,860 magazine. Right. And so I thought that was pretty 573 00:33:34,860 --> 00:33:35,430 gruesome. 574 00:33:35,460 --> 00:33:37,830 Adam Curry: Well, that's actually a great example. Just 575 00:33:37,860 --> 00:33:40,170 just repeat that again. They said what 576 00:33:41,820 --> 00:33:44,910 John C. Dvorak: they said that if Dvorak appears in any issue 577 00:33:44,910 --> 00:33:48,240 of PC Magazine, Italy, they would they will not advertise 578 00:33:48,240 --> 00:33:49,050 with them ever, 579 00:33:49,230 --> 00:33:51,480 Adam Curry: regardless of what it's about, regardless of where 580 00:33:51,480 --> 00:33:55,350 your column is. It was just you and your your attitude, you and 581 00:33:55,350 --> 00:33:55,950 your attitude. 582 00:33:55,980 --> 00:33:59,100 John C. Dvorak: I actually showed up as being banned in one 583 00:33:59,130 --> 00:34:05,220 there was discovery during one of these Microsoft lawsuits. And 584 00:34:05,220 --> 00:34:08,310 somebody sent me the some pages from discovery. This was so 585 00:34:08,310 --> 00:34:11,790 discovery so great. Yes, because you couldn't really get all the 586 00:34:11,790 --> 00:34:15,090 docs and I was listed on there as a guy that they shouldn't be 587 00:34:15,090 --> 00:34:19,950 talking persona non grata. Yeah. All right. Also banned by by 588 00:34:19,950 --> 00:34:24,150 Apple. I wrote a column about Steve that was a pretty nasty 589 00:34:24,150 --> 00:34:26,520 column. It was it was an InfoWorld. When I was there, I 590 00:34:26,520 --> 00:34:31,800 wrote his column when jobs quit Apple was rousted by Scully. 591 00:34:31,830 --> 00:34:36,120 Right. And I wrote and it's a job it was a jerk. That's why I 592 00:34:36,120 --> 00:34:41,310 wrote Steve, good by Steve Jobs. Good riddance. I think it was 593 00:34:41,310 --> 00:34:45,510 the title. Bad boy told me that they saw that column in his 594 00:34:45,510 --> 00:34:50,670 office in the something and I was banned. I wouldn't get any 595 00:34:50,670 --> 00:34:54,960 products. I wouldn't get invited any events and I who cares to 596 00:34:54,960 --> 00:34:58,770 drive down to Cupertino Anyway, well, but But anyway, but the 597 00:34:58,770 --> 00:35:04,170 best story was So, Microsoft big advertiser throwing your weight 598 00:35:04,170 --> 00:35:07,950 around in Brazil, they had a piece of magazine in Brazil and 599 00:35:07,950 --> 00:35:10,560 I would go down there every so often because I wrote for other 600 00:35:10,560 --> 00:35:15,810 magazines down there. And I was hanging out with the guy who's 601 00:35:15,810 --> 00:35:19,500 the publisher. And he said, he said that Microsoft came down 602 00:35:19,500 --> 00:35:26,880 there and said, we want. We want a 12 month advertising spread. 603 00:35:27,300 --> 00:35:31,080 And then a six month advertising spread for the next year and a 604 00:35:31,080 --> 00:35:38,730 half, right? And the guy gave me the, the rate card. In Microsoft 605 00:35:38,730 --> 00:35:42,360 guy, sales guy goes, no, he says this, we're not paying anything 606 00:35:42,360 --> 00:35:45,930 for these ads. Oh, you just run them. So what are you talking 607 00:35:45,930 --> 00:35:49,950 about? Run Ads for free? says, oh, no, you run it. Because if 608 00:35:49,950 --> 00:35:53,310 you don't have Microsoft ads in your magazine, you're not excuse 609 00:35:53,310 --> 00:35:56,940 me. You're not a real magazine. Exactly. Exactly. And I thought 610 00:35:56,940 --> 00:35:58,470 that was fascinating. 611 00:35:58,500 --> 00:36:00,870 Adam Curry: That's a good one. Like that. Well, 612 00:36:00,870 --> 00:36:03,390 John C. Dvorak: then, the point is, I've been around well, and 613 00:36:03,390 --> 00:36:08,940 Adam Curry: together we we were at pod show slash vvO. We 614 00:36:08,940 --> 00:36:12,630 learned exactly how problems certainly in today's 615 00:36:12,630 --> 00:36:19,410 environment, where you have ad buying networks, you have 616 00:36:21,030 --> 00:36:24,420 auction based systems, where people go in and say, okay, and 617 00:36:24,420 --> 00:36:26,820 it's it's what you'd expect it to be. It's what the promise 618 00:36:26,820 --> 00:36:31,380 always was, the promise was alright, I want to get 2435 year 619 00:36:31,380 --> 00:36:33,510 old I want to have him interested in this interested in 620 00:36:33,510 --> 00:36:37,560 that and get those the eyeballs I want. And then go ahead and 621 00:36:37,560 --> 00:36:41,490 put it out there. And of course, this would run on these 622 00:36:41,490 --> 00:36:44,790 networks, it would run on all kinds of scam sites, pop unders 623 00:36:44,790 --> 00:36:50,250 pop overs, invisible down on the page, never saw it. All kinds of 624 00:36:50,250 --> 00:36:55,650 bots, fake clicks, fake views, so much. And then the advertiser 625 00:36:55,650 --> 00:36:59,850 started to go. Yeah, you know, I got a call from my client and he 626 00:36:59,850 --> 00:37:03,690 saw his BMW ad running on this porn site. And you know, so we 627 00:37:03,690 --> 00:37:05,970 have to control them the ad networks had to clean up their 628 00:37:05,970 --> 00:37:13,410 business. Because of course it's it the basic idea of you pay $15 629 00:37:13,410 --> 00:37:16,920 per 1000 people that have seen this click this read this heard 630 00:37:16,920 --> 00:37:22,380 this etc. That remains. But when you have everyone able to see 631 00:37:22,410 --> 00:37:25,260 all of the places the advertising shows up, and the 632 00:37:25,260 --> 00:37:27,990 brand itself who has been promised a and here it comes 633 00:37:27,990 --> 00:37:33,240 brand safe exposure and experience. They get very upset 634 00:37:33,450 --> 00:37:37,260 when in fact it naevia We had this exact example with BMW and 635 00:37:37,260 --> 00:37:42,000 it also ran on I think it was either match Weinstein's podcast 636 00:37:42,030 --> 00:37:45,510 and just on the on the Show page. And maj Weinstein is the 637 00:37:45,510 --> 00:37:50,130 bloated lesbian, from Chicago, and they pulled the whole 638 00:37:50,130 --> 00:37:54,030 campaign. Well, you guys, you how can we how can we trust you? 639 00:37:54,030 --> 00:37:56,850 How can you prove to us that that will never happen again. 640 00:37:57,870 --> 00:38:02,250 And I think it consisted of me putting on my MTV jacket and 641 00:38:02,250 --> 00:38:04,860 hair and going over and blowing someone who still remembered. 642 00:38:05,550 --> 00:38:09,120 And that's usually how we got out of these things. So we 643 00:38:09,120 --> 00:38:12,150 understand this business, and it's not as cut and dry as you 644 00:38:12,150 --> 00:38:15,150 think it would be. And this is where everyone is missing what 645 00:38:15,150 --> 00:38:19,650 is really happening here. And there's no incentive for anyone 646 00:38:19,650 --> 00:38:22,800 to tell you exactly what's happening. Except for the guys 647 00:38:22,800 --> 00:38:25,140 who are no longer in the advertising business. That would 648 00:38:25,140 --> 00:38:31,080 be us. Now YouTube, it's it's they don't break it out, per se. 649 00:38:31,080 --> 00:38:34,410 But I've looked at all the estimates, approximately $8 650 00:38:34,410 --> 00:38:40,200 billion a year in revenue comes in from YouTube. This is what we 651 00:38:40,200 --> 00:38:45,780 used to call in the business, long tail revenue long tail. And 652 00:38:45,780 --> 00:38:51,930 this is the only model that was working. This is not hits the 653 00:38:51,930 --> 00:38:57,330 idea of having hits, as in a hit Podcast Network, which as you 654 00:38:57,330 --> 00:39:01,800 know, we proclaim that you cannot monetize the network. You 655 00:39:01,800 --> 00:39:07,080 cannot. The only way to do this is by running hundreds of 656 00:39:07,080 --> 00:39:12,090 millions of ads on cat videos, kids dancing, birthday parties, 657 00:39:12,270 --> 00:39:16,110 you know, that kind of stuff. That's YouTube's revenue $8 658 00:39:16,110 --> 00:39:20,220 billion a year now. Some say five, six, I'm just gonna put it 659 00:39:20,220 --> 00:39:23,130 at eight. That sounds about right. That's a lot of money. 660 00:39:23,580 --> 00:39:26,820 And it's not coming from Crowder. It's not coming from 661 00:39:26,820 --> 00:39:33,690 Joe Rogan. It's pieces of that Sure. This is coming from huge, 662 00:39:33,690 --> 00:39:38,940 huge volume. The problem with huge volume is if you don't have 663 00:39:38,970 --> 00:39:43,110 artificial intelligence that can actually flag objectionable 664 00:39:43,110 --> 00:39:46,500 content that an advertiser would object to we just gave you all 665 00:39:46,500 --> 00:39:51,960 these instances and examples. You have to employ people. We 666 00:39:51,960 --> 00:39:55,650 know that there and all these 1000s of people are working on 667 00:39:55,650 --> 00:39:59,970 checking uploads making sure all the videos are brand safe and 668 00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:03,270 Determining whether they should have advertising running against 669 00:40:03,270 --> 00:40:08,940 them or not, which has turned into this de monetizing term, 670 00:40:08,940 --> 00:40:11,820 which is completely disingenuous, and not what 671 00:40:11,850 --> 00:40:18,780 really happened. We talked about this on the last show. So bad PR 672 00:40:19,140 --> 00:40:25,830 is a problem. And it's a huge problem if it's systemic. So 673 00:40:26,220 --> 00:40:31,980 just reading from this article that came out today just so you 674 00:40:31,980 --> 00:40:34,050 know, where the New York Times is coming from the New York 675 00:40:34,050 --> 00:40:37,800 Times has an agenda in this and it's not reporting. It is an 676 00:40:37,800 --> 00:40:42,900 agenda of grabbing the advertisers from YouTube as much 677 00:40:42,900 --> 00:40:45,090 as they can get in every everyone who reports on this 678 00:40:45,090 --> 00:40:48,450 controversy in the way that they have been as a left right 679 00:40:48,450 --> 00:40:53,160 censorship. conservativism bias. That's not the bottom line, 680 00:40:53,310 --> 00:40:57,960 follow the money $8 billion, and that's just YouTube. If 681 00:40:57,960 --> 00:41:00,960 alienation was one ingredient and Mr. Kane's radicalisation 682 00:41:00,960 --> 00:41:03,600 This is from the New York Times, and persuasive partisans like 683 00:41:03,600 --> 00:41:06,900 Mr. Molyneux were another The third was a series of product 684 00:41:06,900 --> 00:41:10,530 decisions YouTube made starting back in 2012. This is the 685 00:41:10,530 --> 00:41:13,800 genesis of how we got here today. In March of 2012, 686 00:41:13,800 --> 00:41:15,780 YouTube's engineers made an update to the site's 687 00:41:15,780 --> 00:41:18,810 recommendations algorithm. For years the algorithm had been 688 00:41:18,810 --> 00:41:22,080 programmed to maximize views by showing users videos that were 689 00:41:22,080 --> 00:41:27,090 likely they were likely to click on but creators had learned to 690 00:41:27,090 --> 00:41:30,270 game the system inflating their views by posting videos with 691 00:41:30,270 --> 00:41:34,320 exaggerated titles or choosing salacious thumbnail images. In 692 00:41:34,320 --> 00:41:36,870 response, YouTube's executives announced that the 693 00:41:36,870 --> 00:41:39,930 recommendation algorithm would give more weight to watch time 694 00:41:39,930 --> 00:41:43,500 rather than views that way, creators would be encouraged to 695 00:41:43,500 --> 00:41:46,530 make videos that users would finish, users would be more 696 00:41:46,530 --> 00:41:50,850 satisfied with and YouTube would be able to show more ads, just 697 00:41:50,850 --> 00:41:54,210 this but this is what this story is about. A month after its 698 00:41:54,210 --> 00:41:57,030 algorithm tweak YouTube changing rules to allow all video 699 00:41:57,030 --> 00:41:59,970 creators to run ads alongside their videos and earn a portion 700 00:41:59,970 --> 00:42:03,870 of the revenue they generated. Previously, only popular 701 00:42:03,870 --> 00:42:08,670 channels that had been vetted by YouTube were able to run ads 702 00:42:08,670 --> 00:42:11,940 very key difference they went away from the vetting to the 703 00:42:11,940 --> 00:42:15,840 unvetted. The new algorithm worked well, but it wasn't 704 00:42:15,840 --> 00:42:18,090 perfect. One problem, according to several of the current and 705 00:42:18,090 --> 00:42:21,120 former YouTube employees is that the artificial intelligence 706 00:42:21,120 --> 00:42:24,900 tended to pigeonhole users into specific niches recommending 707 00:42:24,900 --> 00:42:27,270 videos that were similar to ones they'd already watched. 708 00:42:27,300 --> 00:42:32,370 Eventually, users got bored. Google Brain researchers, I 709 00:42:32,370 --> 00:42:35,370 guess that's a division wondered if they could keep YouTube users 710 00:42:35,370 --> 00:42:37,950 engaged for longer by steering them into different parts of 711 00:42:37,950 --> 00:42:40,290 YouTube. And so this is where this article takes an 712 00:42:40,290 --> 00:42:44,190 interesting turn, and starts to talk about reinforcement 713 00:42:44,190 --> 00:42:48,540 learning. This was their their new algorithm reinforce a huge 714 00:42:48,540 --> 00:42:53,250 success. And I was lucky, I watched this talk at an AI 715 00:42:53,250 --> 00:42:56,880 conference in February, Min Min Chen, the Google Brain 716 00:42:56,880 --> 00:42:59,580 researcher said it was YouTube's most successful launch in two 717 00:42:59,580 --> 00:43:03,360 years, sitewide views increased by nearly 1%, again, that a 718 00:43:03,360 --> 00:43:06,240 YouTube scale could amount to millions more hours of daily 719 00:43:06,240 --> 00:43:09,030 watch time and millions more dollars in advertising revenue 720 00:43:09,030 --> 00:43:12,060 per year. She added that the out new algorithm was already 721 00:43:12,060 --> 00:43:15,630 starting to alter users behavior, we can really lead 722 00:43:15,630 --> 00:43:18,570 users towards a different state versus recommending content that 723 00:43:18,570 --> 00:43:21,900 is familiar. So it was very popular. Lots of people watch, 724 00:43:21,990 --> 00:43:25,110 but they were going towards areas that this article says 725 00:43:25,140 --> 00:43:30,480 claims was all this bad shit, bad people. All right, Nazis 726 00:43:30,480 --> 00:43:35,340 keh, keh, keh, Cardrooms, the whole thing is just bad. Why are 727 00:43:35,370 --> 00:43:38,550 they saying this? Because the advertisers have become very 728 00:43:38,580 --> 00:43:42,780 wary YouTube and Google isn't in in an incredibly precarious 729 00:43:42,780 --> 00:43:47,790 situation. And I shall explain one month ago, the upfronts were 730 00:43:47,790 --> 00:43:51,930 held in mainly in New York, John, you wanna explain the 731 00:43:51,930 --> 00:43:54,960 television upfront process where 732 00:43:54,960 --> 00:43:57,630 John C. Dvorak: the executives going up in front of all the 733 00:43:57,630 --> 00:44:03,420 advertisers and and affiliates. Depending could be affiliates, 734 00:44:03,420 --> 00:44:08,700 or advertisers, or both. And they give them the spiel for 735 00:44:08,700 --> 00:44:11,820 their upcoming season and what they're going to do and where 736 00:44:11,820 --> 00:44:13,680 the strengths are going to be anywhere the weakness is going 737 00:44:13,680 --> 00:44:16,500 to be in what they're going to look for, and to fill the slot 738 00:44:16,500 --> 00:44:18,870 advertising slots and how they're going to make so much 739 00:44:18,870 --> 00:44:20,550 money. I'm going to beat the crap out of the other networks 740 00:44:20,550 --> 00:44:23,730 because they really got it. They really got it figured out. I 741 00:44:23,730 --> 00:44:24,990 think something like that. So 742 00:44:24,990 --> 00:44:26,850 Adam Curry: we have the exact and I think probably started 743 00:44:26,850 --> 00:44:30,270 with Yahoo years ago, Terry Semel and the Hollywood guy, 744 00:44:30,630 --> 00:44:33,150 they started doing their own content. We're going to be just 745 00:44:33,150 --> 00:44:35,730 like television, we're going to be better well, today that day 746 00:44:35,730 --> 00:44:40,770 is here. And YouTube is coming in as a as a tech television 747 00:44:40,770 --> 00:44:45,150 provider. So this is just from one month ago, TV networks came 748 00:44:45,150 --> 00:44:47,880 out with a strong message as they called it advertisers at 749 00:44:47,880 --> 00:44:51,180 the annual upfront presentations in New York this week. Digital 750 00:44:51,180 --> 00:44:54,630 may be hot and growing like crazy, but TV can provide a 751 00:44:54,630 --> 00:44:59,730 brand safe space for ads, as the tech world grapples with a 752 00:44:59,730 --> 00:45:03,780 sphere Recently privacy scandals and abuses of their platforms. 753 00:45:04,650 --> 00:45:09,120 And this, of course, is a CNBC article. These are all 754 00:45:09,120 --> 00:45:13,470 mainstream companies who want to fuck Google for a number of 755 00:45:13,470 --> 00:45:18,450 reasons. The main one being well, the Oh, it's all of the 756 00:45:18,450 --> 00:45:20,670 whole of Silicon Valley. But right now we're just focusing on 757 00:45:20,670 --> 00:45:24,300 YouTube makes it easier. companies including CBS, Disney, 758 00:45:24,300 --> 00:45:27,390 Fox, NBC Universal and Warner media pitched advertisers on 759 00:45:27,390 --> 00:45:30,270 their programming and promise of their own upcoming streaming 760 00:45:30,270 --> 00:45:34,110 services. Just two weeks after many of the digital players like 761 00:45:34,110 --> 00:45:38,280 YouTube and Hulu courted the same advertisers at the news 762 00:45:38,280 --> 00:45:42,540 fronts, presentations, the network's position their own 763 00:45:42,540 --> 00:45:46,170 offerings as bigger and safer than the challenges I started to 764 00:45:46,170 --> 00:45:49,140 see what's happening. If you want to take these billions of 765 00:45:49,140 --> 00:45:53,040 dollars in advertisement away from your competitor, it 766 00:45:53,040 --> 00:45:58,410 behooves you to do news stories about controversies involving 767 00:45:58,470 --> 00:46:03,240 left right, Trump, the orange MAN bad, anything controversial, 768 00:46:03,810 --> 00:46:07,830 anything, advertisers will walk away from that, particularly 769 00:46:07,830 --> 00:46:11,010 today's media buyers who are 20 Somethings, they don't give a 770 00:46:11,010 --> 00:46:14,910 crap. They just don't want to get in trouble. They can 771 00:46:14,910 --> 00:46:17,850 probably get a couple of floor seats for a game if they you 772 00:46:17,850 --> 00:46:21,270 know, take business from this particular advertiser. They're 773 00:46:21,270 --> 00:46:24,240 not going to put their their their ass on the line for some 774 00:46:24,240 --> 00:46:28,350 place where some guy who is you know, he's he's calling this guy 775 00:46:28,350 --> 00:46:32,850 is lispy, queer, you know, gay, it's all cool. And YouTube left 776 00:46:32,850 --> 00:46:35,940 Aman I took away as well it took away his ad. But still it could 777 00:46:35,940 --> 00:46:38,190 slip into something. Could it be some other person who's doing 778 00:46:38,190 --> 00:46:41,280 like that? I'm a little bit worried. Couple other articles. 779 00:46:41,880 --> 00:46:45,060 So the title of that was TV networks pitch brand safety, 780 00:46:45,210 --> 00:46:50,760 streaming to advertisers at upfronts. Here is the next 781 00:46:50,760 --> 00:46:54,450 article. And this was just one. And this is all. This is 782 00:46:54,450 --> 00:47:00,810 Reuters. And this is this is from May 13. Three years ago, 783 00:47:00,810 --> 00:47:03,300 the beginning of the end of the US television business looks 784 00:47:03,300 --> 00:47:06,420 certain when one of the largest ad buying agencies vowed to move 785 00:47:06,420 --> 00:47:10,710 a big chunk of its purchases to YouTube from TV budgets. Let me 786 00:47:10,710 --> 00:47:16,650 repeat that this is an Reuters article. It looks certain when 787 00:47:16,650 --> 00:47:19,620 one of the largest ad buying agencies vowed to move a big 788 00:47:19,620 --> 00:47:24,480 chunk of its purchases to YouTube from TV budgets. The TV 789 00:47:24,480 --> 00:47:28,020 business did not die far from it. Instead, data compiled from 790 00:47:28,020 --> 00:47:31,290 ad tracking by ad tracking from media radar at Reuters request 791 00:47:31,290 --> 00:47:34,260 showed some advertisers are spending more on television 792 00:47:34,260 --> 00:47:38,340 networks, online properties, and less on alphabet inks video 793 00:47:38,340 --> 00:47:41,910 service. That data partially explains why Google's parents 794 00:47:41,910 --> 00:47:45,360 had its slowest quarterly revenue growth in three years. 795 00:47:46,380 --> 00:47:51,030 Oops. I didn't mean to do that mean to hit the ding. This is 796 00:47:51,060 --> 00:47:54,840 when you're talking $8 billion. Just from YouTube alone. This 797 00:47:54,840 --> 00:47:58,470 gets people's attention. This week, the big US TV networks 798 00:47:58,470 --> 00:48:02,430 plan to drive the knife further into digital rivals repeating 799 00:48:02,430 --> 00:48:06,690 the phrase brand safety and exploiting YouTube's struggle to 800 00:48:06,690 --> 00:48:11,130 curb unsuitable content during the upfront ad sales period when 801 00:48:11,130 --> 00:48:16,230 TV networks preview the fall season for advertisers onstage 802 00:48:16,230 --> 00:48:19,290 and in private meetings again, executives from Comcast Corp's 803 00:48:19,320 --> 00:48:23,430 NBC Universal CBS Corp Viacom say they are pitching themselves 804 00:48:23,430 --> 00:48:27,420 as one stop shops because they have viewers on TV, their own 805 00:48:27,420 --> 00:48:33,420 streaming services and their own streaming services. I think it's 806 00:48:33,450 --> 00:48:37,830 I don't have to beat this horse anymore that the mainstream 807 00:48:37,890 --> 00:48:43,320 outfits are creating as much panic and controversy and 808 00:48:43,320 --> 00:48:47,370 highlighting as many different controversies as possible to 809 00:48:47,370 --> 00:48:50,640 screw these guys into oblivion who have been eating their 810 00:48:50,640 --> 00:48:54,030 lunch. This is an Is it a coincidence that these things 811 00:48:54,030 --> 00:48:57,150 happened a month ago and in the past month. This is where we've 812 00:48:57,150 --> 00:49:01,230 seen all the stepped up D platforming D monetization, 813 00:49:01,500 --> 00:49:06,180 John C. Dvorak: which begs the question to me. What took them 814 00:49:06,180 --> 00:49:11,190 so long, they're idiots they are interesting to put who's worked 815 00:49:11,190 --> 00:49:15,630 in broadcasting. And you can the anybody out there who's worked 816 00:49:15,630 --> 00:49:19,140 in broadcasting knows that you constantly talk about the 817 00:49:19,140 --> 00:49:22,770 management of radio station being the dumbest guys in the 818 00:49:22,770 --> 00:49:25,950 world. And the management of television stations are being 819 00:49:25,950 --> 00:49:29,370 the dumbest guys in the world. And then people go back from 820 00:49:29,370 --> 00:49:31,830 television to radio and back and forth. Well, you know, I think 821 00:49:31,830 --> 00:49:34,980 that radio guys are dumber than the TV guys. Oh, no, I think the 822 00:49:34,980 --> 00:49:38,250 TV guys are dumber. But there's a theme there's a constant 823 00:49:38,250 --> 00:49:40,590 theme. They're all dumb. 824 00:49:41,460 --> 00:49:45,960 Adam Curry: And they're scared and this is this is the the it's 825 00:49:45,960 --> 00:49:50,760 so it's really disgusting that they are hiding their their 826 00:49:50,760 --> 00:49:58,440 revenue quest and actually propagating derisive behavior 827 00:49:58,770 --> 00:50:03,000 amongst the public by making it all seeing that this is 828 00:50:03,000 --> 00:50:08,040 censorship, it's, it's it's left, right. It's the Silicon 829 00:50:08,040 --> 00:50:12,300 Valley bias. You know what it is? It's the bias of advertising 830 00:50:12,300 --> 00:50:19,260 executives. It's the it's the fear and bias of the advertisers 831 00:50:19,260 --> 00:50:22,800 themselves. Because of controversy, it doesn't matter 832 00:50:22,800 --> 00:50:25,710 what the controversy is. But this is an easy one. All you 833 00:50:25,710 --> 00:50:29,430 have to do is that guy's All right, boom, done. I don't want 834 00:50:29,430 --> 00:50:32,160 to advertise on him. You know why? Because one little thing 835 00:50:32,160 --> 00:50:35,580 could happen. We've shown you examples of what can happen. 836 00:50:35,790 --> 00:50:40,410 Alex Jones, this has been going on for a long time. And they're 837 00:50:40,410 --> 00:50:44,820 disingenuous, and everyone, including Glenn Greenwald, is 838 00:50:44,820 --> 00:50:49,500 buying into that they're sitting there making decisions. Oh, 839 00:50:49,560 --> 00:50:53,760 let's get rid of this Crowder guy, because he's alt right. 840 00:50:53,940 --> 00:50:57,360 First of all, they didn't get rid of him, they demonetized 841 00:50:57,360 --> 00:51:01,020 him, which means you know, what we like the million views you 842 00:51:01,020 --> 00:51:03,990 get. So we don't want any ads running on it. But we liked that 843 00:51:03,990 --> 00:51:06,750 our algorithms can make people click on stuff where we do have 844 00:51:06,750 --> 00:51:12,000 ads running. So that's how how, how lame it really is that they 845 00:51:12,000 --> 00:51:15,090 can't even admit to that, but they don't give a shit. They'll 846 00:51:15,090 --> 00:51:19,200 take anybody off in a heartbeat. $8 billion in revenue doesn't 847 00:51:19,200 --> 00:51:24,210 come from a couple of big hits. It doesn't work that way. In my 848 00:51:24,210 --> 00:51:27,150 you cannot monetize the network is going to come true. Because 849 00:51:27,150 --> 00:51:31,350 you cannot monetize the longtail either it's turning out because 850 00:51:31,350 --> 00:51:37,680 you can't police the content. And Google and it I mean, right 851 00:51:37,680 --> 00:51:40,530 now you see Twitter, Twitter, it, it has turned on some 852 00:51:40,530 --> 00:51:45,840 algorithmic deletion tools. And you can't have a conversation on 853 00:51:45,840 --> 00:51:48,510 Twitter anymore, you'll go to someone and using this in your 854 00:51:48,510 --> 00:51:52,590 timeline, John, you there's like someone tweets something, you go 855 00:51:52,590 --> 00:51:55,650 into the thread and it's like, deleted, deleted, not available 856 00:51:55,650 --> 00:51:58,800 not available. And these have all been removed. So they've 857 00:51:58,830 --> 00:52:04,050 broken their actual service, you cannot, you can't read a thread 858 00:52:04,050 --> 00:52:08,880 anymore. Because it has to be removed for advertisers safety. 859 00:52:11,430 --> 00:52:16,050 John C. Dvorak: Well, I'm going to make a prediction, not about 860 00:52:16,050 --> 00:52:18,090 what you're going to say, which is pretty much what I taught 861 00:52:18,090 --> 00:52:18,210 you, 862 00:52:18,210 --> 00:52:19,830 Adam Curry: I knew you would I knew you knew I was going to 863 00:52:21,570 --> 00:52:24,150 John C. Dvorak: first of all, and I wrote about this in PC 864 00:52:24,150 --> 00:52:28,650 magazine online, and probably a year ago, Facebook, and I'm 865 00:52:28,680 --> 00:52:34,080 throwing them in Twitter, YouTube, everybody, all those 866 00:52:34,080 --> 00:52:38,790 guys, all the social networks, with maybe the exception of 867 00:52:38,790 --> 00:52:42,090 Linked in, but even though they're kind of kind of falling 868 00:52:42,090 --> 00:52:45,210 into it too, with their little articles and crap that they 869 00:52:45,210 --> 00:52:51,300 publish there for free. These people are not just did they're 870 00:52:51,300 --> 00:52:54,960 not an open sewer. Well, they are an open sewer. But that's 871 00:52:54,960 --> 00:53:00,000 not what I'm referring to. They are technically publishers. In 872 00:53:00,030 --> 00:53:04,680 every way, I see no reason to think otherwise. And they do 873 00:53:04,710 --> 00:53:07,710 editing and they kick people off and 80 they reject certain 874 00:53:07,710 --> 00:53:10,230 things. And it's all part of the publishing game. That's what you 875 00:53:10,230 --> 00:53:12,720 do when you're a publisher. They don't want to take full 876 00:53:12,720 --> 00:53:15,300 responsibility, because there are some legal limits to what 877 00:53:15,300 --> 00:53:18,690 you can do and not doing. You can get sued in certain ways. 878 00:53:18,690 --> 00:53:20,550 Because you know, especially when you have the big deep 879 00:53:20,550 --> 00:53:23,070 pockets of these monsters companies, if they do I mean 880 00:53:23,100 --> 00:53:26,160 Google alphabet, that's where I think they've been trying to 881 00:53:26,160 --> 00:53:28,950 divvied the company up in different ways. So they can, you 882 00:53:28,950 --> 00:53:33,510 know, to have. So they can be liable only in a kind of a 883 00:53:33,510 --> 00:53:38,130 pocketed area. But at the point where they have to finally bite 884 00:53:38,130 --> 00:53:41,250 the bullet and say, Okay, we're publishers, they're going to 885 00:53:41,250 --> 00:53:46,140 take these people that made lots of money on YouTube, like there 886 00:53:46,140 --> 00:53:49,680 are people who have made a million dollars a year. Sure, 887 00:53:49,770 --> 00:53:52,470 you can No, it's possible. A lot of it is fraud. And there's been 888 00:53:52,470 --> 00:53:56,040 articles about that. And by the way, did we to piggyback on what 889 00:53:56,040 --> 00:54:01,560 you just discussed. If you go back to last year, the 2020 18. 890 00:54:02,310 --> 00:54:04,740 late in the year, starting probably in October, there were 891 00:54:04,770 --> 00:54:08,160 a lot of New York Times articles, and you can look them 892 00:54:08,160 --> 00:54:12,060 up. In fact, you can go do a search on fake YouTube views. 893 00:54:12,390 --> 00:54:15,150 Yes. And you'll find that there was article after article 894 00:54:15,150 --> 00:54:18,480 starting actually even started in 2015. According to this 895 00:54:18,480 --> 00:54:23,940 little list, I have here where it they name names saying these 896 00:54:23,940 --> 00:54:26,340 are fake views, and I've known about this and you've known 897 00:54:26,340 --> 00:54:29,250 about it, and they still rack them up and this was supposed to 898 00:54:29,250 --> 00:54:32,370 be the scandal that was gonna pull the rug out from under the 899 00:54:32,490 --> 00:54:36,270 YouTubers and every well were one else that had advertising 900 00:54:36,270 --> 00:54:39,540 support to advertisers, or another group that's kind of 901 00:54:39,540 --> 00:54:42,180 stupid, and they paid no attention to these articles. And 902 00:54:42,180 --> 00:54:45,510 that's when the the worm turned and they had to take this other 903 00:54:45,510 --> 00:54:49,770 tact which is the article that you're talking about. And that 904 00:54:49,770 --> 00:54:54,060 seems to be working well their words, screwing the YouTubers 905 00:54:54,060 --> 00:54:57,780 and these other people on behalf of the old line and publishers. 906 00:54:58,080 --> 00:55:03,240 The idea that it's all Fraud didn't work. So now we got this 907 00:55:03,240 --> 00:55:06,390 other censorship thing going on it that seems to be working. 908 00:55:06,870 --> 00:55:12,750 Adam Curry: And in fact, there was I just want to discuss 909 00:55:12,750 --> 00:55:16,530 section 234 For a moment, because this is this is what 910 00:55:16,530 --> 00:55:22,410 gives what indemnifies These companies from being sued for 911 00:55:23,190 --> 00:55:27,810 under tort law, libel, etc. There was a an interesting 912 00:55:27,870 --> 00:55:33,450 article about Google. And they were, um, it was Google's at 913 00:55:33,450 --> 00:55:39,540 Facebook, and they were arguing in court. Let me see if I can 914 00:55:39,540 --> 00:55:44,940 find this here. About whether they have the right to do this 915 00:55:44,940 --> 00:55:48,000 or not. And they actually, they will. Here we go. The Internet 916 00:55:48,000 --> 00:55:50,520 Association, which represents Facebook, Google, Twitter and 917 00:55:50,520 --> 00:55:53,970 other major platforms claims that section 230 is necessary 918 00:55:53,970 --> 00:55:57,600 for these firms to, quote, provide forums and tools for the 919 00:55:57,600 --> 00:56:00,750 public to engage in a wide variety of activities that the 920 00:56:00,750 --> 00:56:04,440 First Amendment protects. But rather than facilitate free 921 00:56:04,440 --> 00:56:07,680 speech, Silicon Valley now uses section 230 to justify 922 00:56:07,680 --> 00:56:11,580 censorship, leading to a Legal Policy model. For instance, in 923 00:56:11,580 --> 00:56:14,640 response to a lawsuit challenging its speech policies, 924 00:56:14,820 --> 00:56:18,300 Google claimed that restricting its right to censor would, 925 00:56:18,300 --> 00:56:23,130 quote, impose liability on YouTube as a publisher. In the 926 00:56:23,130 --> 00:56:27,720 same motion. Google argues that its right to restrict political 927 00:56:27,720 --> 00:56:31,890 content also derives from its First Amendment protection for a 928 00:56:31,890 --> 00:56:36,810 publishers editorial judgments. So on one hand, they say we're 929 00:56:36,810 --> 00:56:39,270 not a publisher, on the other hand, they say we need to have 930 00:56:39,270 --> 00:56:42,240 the rights of publishers and I went back to look at Section 931 00:56:42,240 --> 00:56:45,690 230. And I've always thought that it was kind of the 932 00:56:45,690 --> 00:56:50,910 distinction between publisher or platform, it's not this thing 933 00:56:50,910 --> 00:56:55,800 was written in 1996, passed during Bill Clinton's reign. And 934 00:56:55,830 --> 00:56:58,860 there's, you need two definitions. One, what is an 935 00:56:58,860 --> 00:57:02,580 interactive computer service, which means any information 936 00:57:02,580 --> 00:57:05,340 service system or access software provider that provides 937 00:57:05,340 --> 00:57:08,370 or enables computer access by multiple users to a computer 938 00:57:08,370 --> 00:57:11,580 server, specifically, including a service or system that 939 00:57:11,580 --> 00:57:15,030 provides access to the internet, and such systems operated or 940 00:57:15,030 --> 00:57:18,870 services offered by libraries or educational institutions, which 941 00:57:18,870 --> 00:57:22,080 is just a comparison not a requirement. And then the 942 00:57:22,080 --> 00:57:25,770 information content provider definition means any person or 943 00:57:25,770 --> 00:57:28,260 entity that is responsible in whole or in part for the 944 00:57:28,260 --> 00:57:30,780 creation or development of information provided through the 945 00:57:30,780 --> 00:57:34,920 internet, or interactive computer service. And here is 946 00:57:34,920 --> 00:57:44,010 the main part of the law that no provider or user, important of 947 00:57:44,010 --> 00:57:47,640 an interactive computer service shall be treated as the 948 00:57:47,640 --> 00:57:52,200 publisher or speaker of any information provided by another 949 00:57:52,200 --> 00:57:56,910 information content provider, meaning YouTube, Google, anyone 950 00:57:56,940 --> 00:57:59,910 where you post your stuff, what we used to call user generated. 951 00:58:00,420 --> 00:58:03,450 That's, that's your problem right off the bat no matter what 952 00:58:03,450 --> 00:58:08,370 it is, cannot be held liable. Yeah, on the account, no, here 953 00:58:08,370 --> 00:58:15,330 we go. No provider or user of an interactive computer service 954 00:58:15,360 --> 00:58:20,460 shall be held liable on the account of two cases, any action 955 00:58:20,580 --> 00:58:24,990 voluntarily taken in good faith to restrict access to or 956 00:58:24,990 --> 00:58:30,000 availability of material that the provider or user considers 957 00:58:30,000 --> 00:58:34,320 to be obscene, lewd, lascivious, filthy, excessively violent, 958 00:58:34,350 --> 00:58:38,250 harassing, or otherwise objectionable? Whether or not 959 00:58:38,250 --> 00:58:42,870 such material is constitutionally protected, or 960 00:58:43,560 --> 00:58:47,490 cannot be held liable by any action taken to innate to enable 961 00:58:47,490 --> 00:58:51,480 or make available to information content providers or others? 962 00:58:51,720 --> 00:58:55,770 Technical means to restrict access to material described in 963 00:58:55,770 --> 00:59:01,140 paragraph one. So it doesn't matter what they are, it doesn't 964 00:59:01,140 --> 00:59:05,310 matter, they have the right to cut to restrict to do what ever 965 00:59:05,310 --> 00:59:08,520 they want. So to you, apparently, because you know, 966 00:59:08,550 --> 00:59:13,290 it's user and provider. So there's no way that publisher or 967 00:59:13,290 --> 00:59:17,370 anything else comes into play here. Yes, unless they are 968 00:59:17,430 --> 00:59:24,240 authoring the content. Now you can argue that that an algorithm 969 00:59:24,270 --> 00:59:25,260 rights 970 00:59:26,550 --> 00:59:29,400 John C. Dvorak: or restructures, it no has made that argument, 971 00:59:29,400 --> 00:59:31,920 but it's an interesting one. I think I could make the argument. 972 00:59:32,220 --> 00:59:34,740 Yeah, well, I think that as you mentioned, it is not a bad 973 00:59:34,740 --> 00:59:37,590 argument to make. It's that you have algorithms doing anything. 974 00:59:37,710 --> 00:59:39,330 They are then authoring. 975 00:59:39,540 --> 00:59:42,030 Adam Curry: I believe that to be true. If you have an algorithm 976 00:59:42,030 --> 00:59:45,630 that can drive a car, it can probably write an article. Of 977 00:59:45,630 --> 00:59:46,590 course, we know neither one. The 978 00:59:46,590 --> 00:59:49,050 John C. Dvorak: point is, is that these guys are publishers 979 00:59:49,050 --> 00:59:54,690 and some days will be recognized as in US law. And they will and 980 00:59:54,690 --> 00:59:57,150 the prediction I was going to make is that at some point 981 00:59:57,150 --> 00:59:59,850 they're going to get a clue and realize that as publishers which 982 00:59:59,850 --> 01:00:04,560 they really are any way that they don't have to do this piece 983 01:00:04,560 --> 01:00:06,750 of the action business with these people that are getting a 984 01:00:06,750 --> 01:00:10,890 million dollars a year? Oh, they can just say, hey, we'll give 985 01:00:10,890 --> 01:00:15,150 you $50,000 Just keep doing what you're doing. Yep. No, 986 01:00:15,690 --> 01:00:18,810 Adam Curry: yeah, no ads. Just do whatever you're doing. So we 987 01:00:18,810 --> 01:00:21,270 can have people click Other places for ads. But I think 988 01:00:21,270 --> 01:00:25,410 that's pretty limited. Because again, it is the controversy 989 01:00:25,740 --> 01:00:29,640 that sets advertisers off. And it's being exploited by the 990 01:00:29,640 --> 01:00:33,060 mainstream who are trying to get those advertisers 991 01:00:33,120 --> 01:00:35,790 John C. Dvorak: Sure. And finally got a clue it forever 992 01:00:35,790 --> 01:00:39,570 the mainstream is the one promoting these things. Why are 993 01:00:39,570 --> 01:00:44,100 you guys promoting this? I used to do this. Yes, PC magazine 994 01:00:44,100 --> 01:00:47,670 would continually without any advertisers even taking part 995 01:00:47,940 --> 01:00:52,200 because Microsoft never advertised, they kept promoting 996 01:00:52,200 --> 01:00:56,190 Microsoft products. And I said, why aren't we promoting all the 997 01:00:56,190 --> 01:01:00,300 competitors to Microsoft, right? Because that will keep us in 998 01:01:00,300 --> 01:01:02,340 business in the future, because you'll have a lot of different 999 01:01:02,340 --> 01:01:05,790 people that can advertise it'd be a richer environment. Now. 1000 01:01:05,820 --> 01:01:09,810 Now, you know, Microsoft makes a pretty good. So word got more 1001 01:01:09,930 --> 01:01:12,600 promotion, you know, we got one time there was like maybe six or 1002 01:01:12,600 --> 01:01:15,990 seven good word processors out there. They all boil down to 1003 01:01:15,990 --> 01:01:17,730 word there's nothing out there now that it's really 1004 01:01:17,730 --> 01:01:19,590 competitive. Remember, jazz, 1005 01:01:20,640 --> 01:01:26,100 Adam Curry: the lotus, jazz, Swedish jazz, Lotus jazz could 1006 01:01:26,100 --> 01:01:34,140 never quite get a copy. So the part that I take offense to is 1007 01:01:34,140 --> 01:01:39,210 the mainstream, who are disingenuously highlighting 1008 01:01:39,480 --> 01:01:47,460 divisive arguments for their own benefit, to take the advertise 1009 01:01:47,460 --> 01:01:50,580 to scare advertisers away from doing business with Silicon 1010 01:01:50,580 --> 01:01:55,020 Valley. I think they're doing a lot of damage to the to public 1011 01:01:55,020 --> 01:01:59,280 discourse, in the process of that, and I think that's, that's 1012 01:01:59,760 --> 01:02:03,300 egregious to me. And so I'd like to suggest a way to break them. 1013 01:02:03,900 --> 01:02:07,560 I've always been a radical. Because there's, there's an 1014 01:02:07,560 --> 01:02:10,350 inherent flaw, they have a flaw all of these companies have a 1015 01:02:10,350 --> 01:02:13,410 flaw that can be exploited, and we'll bring them to their knees. 1016 01:02:15,300 --> 01:02:15,900 interested? 1017 01:02:16,770 --> 01:02:19,560 John C. Dvorak: I am but at first, I want to kind of re up 1018 01:02:19,590 --> 01:02:23,010 or kind of back you up with this with look at this front page of 1019 01:02:23,010 --> 01:02:26,760 The New York Times and just tell you what the headlines are. How 1020 01:02:26,760 --> 01:02:32,700 can AI be weaponized to spread disinformation? Or the same 1021 01:02:32,700 --> 01:02:36,510 thing? This is this article shows up right under the making 1022 01:02:36,510 --> 01:02:39,270 of a YouTube radical, which is what you were talking about, 1023 01:02:39,420 --> 01:02:44,610 which also had a kind of a overhead. It had like a section 1024 01:02:44,760 --> 01:02:50,850 name extremism online. No one and you have perfect you have 1025 01:02:50,850 --> 01:02:53,490 wives and then another one, the editorial board and his writing 1026 01:02:53,490 --> 01:02:56,910 and editor. Why is America so far behind Europe on digital 1027 01:02:56,910 --> 01:03:01,710 privacy? Yep. Yep. So the whole thing is like targeting 1028 01:03:01,740 --> 01:03:07,170 targeting the tech community. So what's your what's your thesis? 1029 01:03:08,880 --> 01:03:11,220 Adam Curry: Every company Facebook, well, the ones that 1030 01:03:11,220 --> 01:03:16,260 matter, Facebook, Twitter, Google, or YouTube. In this 1031 01:03:16,260 --> 01:03:21,060 case, Google has a pretty damn good business with search. They 1032 01:03:21,510 --> 01:03:24,480 are now they've been they've been put on notice. They now 1033 01:03:24,480 --> 01:03:28,260 have to make sure that everything that's uploaded that 1034 01:03:28,260 --> 01:03:30,450 could possibly have ads, in fact, did not even do it. 1035 01:03:30,450 --> 01:03:33,030 They're just saying add yes or no, that's probably what they're 1036 01:03:33,030 --> 01:03:38,790 looking at this point. When you report something on Google, 1037 01:03:38,850 --> 01:03:43,830 Facebook or Twitter, if you report it with hate speech, 1038 01:03:44,130 --> 01:03:49,410 which cannot be evaluated by artificial intelligence, and is 1039 01:03:49,410 --> 01:03:52,230 not being evaluated by artificial intelligence, from 1040 01:03:52,230 --> 01:03:58,440 all reports I've read, that has to go to human being. Report 1041 01:03:58,590 --> 01:04:03,390 everything as hate speech, every video, every tweet, we need 1042 01:04:03,390 --> 01:04:08,160 scripts, we need browser extensions, everything needs to 1043 01:04:08,160 --> 01:04:13,260 be reported as hate speech, it will bring these companies down. 1044 01:04:14,220 --> 01:04:18,000 They will not be able to handle the volume. It will It will 1045 01:04:18,030 --> 01:04:22,020 create backlogs or create ANGER It will create people not 1046 01:04:22,020 --> 01:04:26,100 understanding it will bring them down. Now of course that means 1047 01:04:26,100 --> 01:04:29,130 we get mainstream companies as our it'll definitely 1048 01:04:29,160 --> 01:04:31,380 John C. Dvorak: did not understanding because if you got 1049 01:04:31,380 --> 01:04:35,010 to your alert comes to your desk and you get to look at it. And 1050 01:04:35,040 --> 01:04:38,130 somebody says hate speech. You'd have to watch the whole they got 1051 01:04:38,130 --> 01:04:40,530 to watch the whole thing. And then you'd have to try to say 1052 01:04:40,530 --> 01:04:44,730 what was the hate speech and probably have to watch it again. 1053 01:04:45,870 --> 01:04:48,210 This you can really screw up the system. No, no, 1054 01:04:48,240 --> 01:04:52,110 Adam Curry: not could. It has to happen. It is the it is the 1055 01:04:52,260 --> 01:04:59,100 look. Professor Ted calls you. He calls on you to stop the tech 1056 01:04:59,100 --> 01:05:06,240 revolution. Slow it down to this. If it wasn't for the it 1057 01:05:06,240 --> 01:05:10,140 being it being very divisive in culture and people getting very 1058 01:05:10,140 --> 01:05:14,370 angry at each other and fueled by this fight about for their 1059 01:05:14,370 --> 01:05:18,120 dollars, I wouldn't care that much. But now we just have to 1060 01:05:18,150 --> 01:05:21,390 wait gotta kill them. You gotta kill them all. Everything, 1061 01:05:21,420 --> 01:05:24,600 everything you see, even from me, you see a tweet from me a 1062 01:05:24,600 --> 01:05:30,150 video reported hate speech. Everything. That's the way and 1063 01:05:30,150 --> 01:05:32,610 I'll get bogged down, they will freak out. They won't know what 1064 01:05:32,610 --> 01:05:36,900 to do a speech taste speech. 1065 01:05:39,240 --> 01:05:41,970 John C. Dvorak: Yeah, well, I look at the I know, the only 1066 01:05:41,970 --> 01:05:46,170 time you get attention from the Twitter when you report is if 1067 01:05:46,170 --> 01:05:49,890 you put some abuse of against a group or diminish certain kinds 1068 01:05:49,890 --> 01:05:54,660 of things. Let me check, we party exercise the system right 1069 01:05:54,660 --> 01:05:58,080 now and look at Twitter, and see you and report something. For 1070 01:05:58,080 --> 01:06:02,190 example, I'll just booted up which I can do now. And I will 1071 01:06:02,190 --> 01:06:08,640 look at let's just take any old random thing here, here's some 1072 01:06:08,640 --> 01:06:13,110 from split like they don't like them. So I'm gonna go click and 1073 01:06:13,110 --> 01:06:18,300 I'm just gonna go report tweet. And now it's gonna send not 1074 01:06:18,300 --> 01:06:20,580 interested in this tweet, which doesn't mean anything is 1075 01:06:20,580 --> 01:06:24,240 suspicious or spam. It displays a sensitive image, is it useful 1076 01:06:24,240 --> 01:06:30,090 or are harmful? You probably have to click on us abusive. And 1077 01:06:30,090 --> 01:06:34,260 then when you do that, it goes to it's disrespectful that no 1078 01:06:34,260 --> 01:06:37,320 big deal contains private information includes targeted 1079 01:06:37,320 --> 01:06:41,970 harassment directs and this is the big one directs hate. It's 1080 01:06:41,970 --> 01:06:45,450 what you're talking about hate against a protected category. 1081 01:06:45,810 --> 01:06:49,620 That's what you'd click on. I think if you also clicked on 1082 01:06:49,620 --> 01:06:52,530 threatening violence or physical harm, that would probably help a 1083 01:06:52,530 --> 01:06:55,530 little bit. But you got to do this. 1084 01:06:55,800 --> 01:06:57,570 Adam Curry: You have to be careful because COURAGING 1085 01:06:57,570 --> 01:07:02,400 suicide Yeah, you're going to eventually get to get kicked off 1086 01:07:02,400 --> 01:07:05,700 by doing this too much. Because you know if you report if you 1087 01:07:05,700 --> 01:07:09,720 report fraudulently do it quite a bit. Yeah, but not 1088 01:07:09,720 --> 01:07:10,590 fraudulently. 1089 01:07:11,550 --> 01:07:15,300 John C. Dvorak: No, no, mine are all legit Of course, obviously. 1090 01:07:16,860 --> 01:07:19,110 Adam Curry: But hey, spit hate speech. Yeah, he's like, that's 1091 01:07:19,110 --> 01:07:21,270 pretty it's pretty open for interpretation. 1092 01:07:21,810 --> 01:07:24,120 John C. Dvorak: Yeah, you could do it a few times. Everyone can 1093 01:07:24,120 --> 01:07:27,360 do it a few times you like getting kicked off keep them 1094 01:07:27,360 --> 01:07:35,940 busy. Take the show and they'll kick you off. It's pretty 1095 01:07:35,940 --> 01:07:37,620 protected. I've got the check mark. 1096 01:07:39,390 --> 01:07:41,910 Adam Curry: You've got the Mark of the Beast is right you've got 1097 01:07:42,150 --> 01:07:45,270 your anything but protected. They've been waiting to kick 1098 01:07:45,270 --> 01:07:49,200 your ass off for a long time. One misstep Devora were 1099 01:07:49,200 --> 01:07:52,800 unverified you It's like taking away your personality never 1100 01:07:52,800 --> 01:07:55,290 John C. Dvorak: seen him I don't know who's ever been unverified? 1101 01:07:56,910 --> 01:08:01,140 Verification it has happened to not like a knighting it has 1102 01:08:01,140 --> 01:08:01,620 happened 1103 01:08:01,620 --> 01:08:04,350 Adam Curry: yes. It has happened to people that the checkmark got 1104 01:08:04,350 --> 01:08:05,220 taken away what is 1105 01:08:05,220 --> 01:08:08,250 John C. Dvorak: it what what is the point the verification is 1106 01:08:08,250 --> 01:08:12,540 there for a purpose? Not it's to mean that the person that says 1107 01:08:12,540 --> 01:08:14,550 who they say they are are who they are they? 1108 01:08:14,879 --> 01:08:18,059 Adam Curry: They unverified Milo Yiannopoulos before they kicked 1109 01:08:18,059 --> 01:08:21,029 him off, which was funny we laughed about 1110 01:08:21,030 --> 01:08:24,540 John C. Dvorak: it. I can remember them on verifying yes 1111 01:08:24,540 --> 01:08:29,100 the unverified him well, that makes zero sense. Yeah, well, 1112 01:08:29,130 --> 01:08:33,240 that's effective. He's not verified and maybe it's not Milo 1113 01:08:33,240 --> 01:08:35,520 and they why would they kick him off and kick it off some random 1114 01:08:35,520 --> 01:08:38,340 guy it doesn't make so I'm not gonna rehash that. It's of 1115 01:08:38,340 --> 01:08:40,830 course it doesn't make sense in their own terms of service. 1116 01:08:42,660 --> 01:08:44,070 Adam Curry: report them for hate speech 1117 01:08:44,070 --> 01:08:45,660 John C. Dvorak: divorce should shut down. 1118 01:08:46,980 --> 01:08:48,780 Adam Curry: Before we go to our break, since we took a little 1119 01:08:48,780 --> 01:08:53,130 time on that I there's some some new information that I'd like to 1120 01:08:53,160 --> 01:08:59,550 report regarding the Boeing 737 Max eight. You know, these 1121 01:08:59,550 --> 01:09:04,020 problems with M cast software, that's the you know, we've we've 1122 01:09:04,020 --> 01:09:08,610 kind of been through this, how they they change the aircraft 1123 01:09:09,000 --> 01:09:13,230 didn't make the changes clear to pilots, you know, didn't really 1124 01:09:13,230 --> 01:09:16,980 document them the way they could have been. And then with one 1125 01:09:16,980 --> 01:09:20,400 faulty sensor, all kinds of things went haywire and 346 1126 01:09:20,400 --> 01:09:25,200 people died into these aircraft. Now, when Obama was president, 1127 01:09:25,890 --> 01:09:31,050 the FAA certification system, the ODA organization 1128 01:09:31,050 --> 01:09:34,500 designation, authorization program was being pushed very 1129 01:09:34,500 --> 01:09:41,850 hard by the administration to it to fast track sales of Boeing 1130 01:09:42,090 --> 01:09:45,840 and to push through it push the pipeline as fast as possible. 1131 01:09:46,020 --> 01:09:50,010 Under the program. companies like Boeing were able to appoint 1132 01:09:50,010 --> 01:09:55,260 their own representatives to act instead of the FAA inspectors. 1133 01:09:56,400 --> 01:09:59,550 And I don't know if we talked about it in that to that degree 1134 01:09:59,550 --> 01:10:01,320 at the time. This was taking place. 1135 01:10:02,520 --> 01:10:04,530 John C. Dvorak: The time it took place. We've talked about it 1136 01:10:04,530 --> 01:10:06,930 since a little bit. I mean, it's the big complaint that 1137 01:10:07,080 --> 01:10:09,540 everyone's pointing the finger at Boeing inspectors, well, in 1138 01:10:09,540 --> 01:10:13,140 Adam Curry: fact, this put Boeing themselves in charge of 1139 01:10:13,140 --> 01:10:18,840 certifying their software. Right. And I want to play a 1140 01:10:19,170 --> 01:10:25,770 quick clip here from Obama, as he was, I think, well, it's it's 1141 01:10:25,770 --> 01:10:27,960 not really important exactly what he was signing is what he 1142 01:10:27,960 --> 01:10:28,290 says, 1143 01:10:28,320 --> 01:10:31,680 Unknown: I want to say, make us a special note to some of the 1144 01:10:31,680 --> 01:10:35,130 small businesses that have been represented here. Because what 1145 01:10:35,130 --> 01:10:39,990 we've seen is that when small and medium sized businesses can 1146 01:10:39,990 --> 01:10:42,990 can cut through the red tape and understand how to export 1147 01:10:43,020 --> 01:10:45,810 actually, they can compete pretty well. And that's an area 1148 01:10:45,810 --> 01:10:50,310 where we can make make significant progress. Obviously, 1149 01:10:50,340 --> 01:10:53,100 big companies like Xerox or Boeing, we want to keep on 1150 01:10:53,130 --> 01:10:57,210 growing them because small businesses are the up and down 1151 01:10:57,210 --> 01:11:02,010 the supply chain. And our when when we sell a bunch of 1152 01:11:02,220 --> 01:11:04,920 airplanes, a lot of small businesses and medium sized 1153 01:11:04,920 --> 01:11:09,780 businesses are benefiting from that as well. But I'm very 1154 01:11:09,780 --> 01:11:13,440 enthusiastic about this. I think, Jim, at least will 1155 01:11:13,440 --> 01:11:16,830 confirm that. I'm happy to go out and make sales. I'm 1156 01:11:16,830 --> 01:11:22,230 expecting a gold watch. from Boeing at the end of my 1157 01:11:22,230 --> 01:11:27,630 presidency, because I know that I'm on the on the list of top 1158 01:11:27,630 --> 01:11:31,530 salesmen at Boeing, and indeed, 1159 01:11:32,070 --> 01:11:34,680 Adam Curry: Boeing donated $10 million to the Obama 1160 01:11:34,680 --> 01:11:39,060 Presidential Library in Chicago. But who cares? People dead 1161 01:11:39,060 --> 01:11:41,550 doesn't matter. Thanks for the gold watch everybody. 1162 01:11:43,470 --> 01:11:45,510 John C. Dvorak: That's a pretty expensive gold watch. 1163 01:11:45,570 --> 01:11:48,960 Adam Curry: Yeah. He just said it. Can you imagine if any other 1164 01:11:48,960 --> 01:11:52,620 President had said that? I want a gold watch. I'm the best 1165 01:11:52,620 --> 01:11:56,790 Boeing salesman. I think Trump says he's the best Boeing 1166 01:11:56,790 --> 01:12:03,120 salesman often, but he's never asked for a gold watch. And, and 1167 01:12:03,120 --> 01:12:06,720 people died because of the administration's policies of 1168 01:12:06,720 --> 01:12:11,820 having a is just like the FDA, having the companies themselves 1169 01:12:11,820 --> 01:12:14,580 police themselves. What the hell are we paying YouTuber Jumoke 1170 01:12:14,580 --> 01:12:15,030 for? 1171 01:12:15,600 --> 01:12:17,040 John C. Dvorak: Yeah, what's the point? Yeah. 1172 01:12:17,490 --> 01:12:20,940 Adam Curry: It's called collusion. Collusion, collusion. 1173 01:12:20,970 --> 01:12:23,220 And with that, I'd like to thank you for your courage say in the 1174 01:12:23,220 --> 01:12:25,110 morning to you the man who put the C and commercial 1175 01:12:25,110 --> 01:12:28,890 deplatforming John C. Devorah. In the morning to 1176 01:12:28,890 --> 01:12:30,840 John C. Dvorak: you and Mr. Adam curry in the morning to all 1177 01:12:30,840 --> 01:12:33,360 ships and see boots on the ground feed near subs in the 1178 01:12:33,360 --> 01:12:35,670 water and all the names and eights out there in the 1179 01:12:35,670 --> 01:12:39,660 Adam Curry: morning to the trolls in the troll room. No 1180 01:12:39,660 --> 01:12:43,050 agenda stream.com is where you can always participate in the 1181 01:12:43,080 --> 01:12:47,130 conversation that goes on there and you can listen to the stream 1182 01:12:47,190 --> 01:12:49,890 it is there's always something interesting on the stream last 1183 01:12:49,890 --> 01:12:52,140 night. That what do you have Nick the rat last night? I think 1184 01:12:52,140 --> 01:12:54,960 we had Nick I think he's still in Ireland. This morning before 1185 01:12:54,960 --> 01:12:58,470 the show started Darren No. This thing there's great music. 1186 01:12:58,470 --> 01:13:01,860 There's podsafe music, there's talk to walk in. There's 1187 01:13:01,860 --> 01:13:05,130 trolling going on no agenda stream.com Also in the morning 1188 01:13:05,730 --> 01:13:09,240 to Darren O'Neill. There's his name twice in one show. He 1189 01:13:09,240 --> 01:13:14,100 brought us the artwork for episode 1145 1144. So title of 1190 01:13:14,100 --> 01:13:19,200 that, and that was a Thursday show was climate optimist. And 1191 01:13:19,200 --> 01:13:23,880 there was a now we went for the cheap laughs homeless hookers 1192 01:13:24,030 --> 01:13:27,240 was the artwork. It was just good. 1193 01:13:27,840 --> 01:13:29,700 John C. Dvorak: Keep laughs If especially if it's done 1194 01:13:29,700 --> 01:13:31,620 artistically is always a winner. 1195 01:13:31,680 --> 01:13:33,390 Adam Curry: There was something else we were going to mention 1196 01:13:34,170 --> 01:13:35,910 about the artwork. Was it something else we're going to 1197 01:13:35,910 --> 01:13:36,450 say? 1198 01:13:36,810 --> 01:13:39,000 John C. Dvorak: Well, we were going to talk about Yes, we were 1199 01:13:39,000 --> 01:13:41,640 gonna say something. Do you remember what I don't remember 1200 01:13:41,640 --> 01:13:42,150 what it was? 1201 01:13:42,150 --> 01:13:44,250 We talked about these things after the show and the post 1202 01:13:44,250 --> 01:13:48,030 mortem and then we never talked about him afterwards. But let me 1203 01:13:48,030 --> 01:13:51,030 take a look at the list here. This stuff that's going out. 1204 01:13:51,120 --> 01:13:55,440 There's the jock strap. That was kind of funny. Oh, yeah, we did 1205 01:13:55,440 --> 01:13:59,280 like the we did the other day. Mike Riley's Yeah, it was the 1206 01:13:59,280 --> 01:14:04,830 deflated. Mike Riley piece scissored. And the problem with 1207 01:14:04,830 --> 01:14:10,530 that it was it was just didn't have enough other elements. It's 1208 01:14:10,530 --> 01:14:17,010 good piece. No, didn't have any piano degree had anything 1209 01:14:17,010 --> 01:14:18,120 specific to say. 1210 01:14:18,480 --> 01:14:21,060 Adam Curry: Okay, I just had a note here. Remember to talk 1211 01:14:21,060 --> 01:14:22,320 about it. And I guess I didn't. 1212 01:14:22,950 --> 01:14:25,140 John C. Dvorak: Obviously you didn't know how to be more 1213 01:14:25,920 --> 01:14:29,490 specific should work on. My audience says let's talk about 1214 01:14:29,520 --> 01:14:29,970 this. 1215 01:14:30,990 --> 01:14:36,450 Adam Curry: Exactly. All right. We do have some people to 1216 01:14:36,719 --> 01:14:39,959 John C. Dvorak: fuel the thing with them. We have a top heavy 1217 01:14:40,019 --> 01:14:42,659 day today. We didn't get a lot of donations. But in the y'all 1218 01:14:42,659 --> 01:14:46,349 came in at the top so you'll see it in the second half. Did we 1219 01:14:46,349 --> 01:14:52,469 only have 35 people that donated their money 2018 20,000 20,000 1220 01:14:52,499 --> 01:14:59,999 francs. No. But we had some big ones like Lisa Donner key $1,000 1221 01:15:01,169 --> 01:15:04,979 She says you guys are the best top of the heap in my book. I 1222 01:15:05,069 --> 01:15:08,399 wish I could listen more often. Play me something funny and keep 1223 01:15:08,399 --> 01:15:11,279 it keep up the great work you guys rock 1224 01:15:11,310 --> 01:15:13,860 Adam Curry: Now, Lisa, so this is an instant Daming. 1225 01:15:15,179 --> 01:15:17,489 John C. Dvorak: You never says that. And 1226 01:15:17,490 --> 01:15:20,040 Adam Curry: I'll tell you why. First of all, I know who this is 1227 01:15:20,070 --> 01:15:22,020 because I only met her just yesterday. 1228 01:15:22,709 --> 01:15:23,969 John C. Dvorak: Would you meet her? Where did you meet her? 1229 01:15:23,999 --> 01:15:25,049 Adam Curry: I met her online. 1230 01:15:26,460 --> 01:15:27,210 John C. Dvorak: Oh, that's not? 1231 01:15:27,630 --> 01:15:33,780 Adam Curry: Yes, yes. Because she is the Exec. I think she's 1232 01:15:33,780 --> 01:15:36,930 the Executive Managing Editor. She is the number two head 1233 01:15:36,930 --> 01:15:41,880 honcho at Liberty nation. Oh, and she tweeted, she said, this 1234 01:15:41,880 --> 01:15:45,000 was a poll that we took so we didn't we didn't create it. Like 1235 01:15:45,000 --> 01:15:47,640 you know, PC magazine would create those bullcrap polls no 1236 01:15:47,670 --> 01:15:50,100 was it was something where they just make it up. It's 1237 01:15:50,100 --> 01:15:54,120 John C. Dvorak: not PC Magazine is 99% of all publications, 1238 01:15:54,480 --> 01:15:57,660 editors. I've told it said this before the editors sit around 1239 01:15:57,660 --> 01:16:00,960 usually at lunch to get a luncheon and they discuss who 1240 01:16:00,960 --> 01:16:05,280 should be on the top ran. Right. Exactly. And there's always one 1241 01:16:05,280 --> 01:16:09,180 joker and put that guy always wants to put some joke person in 1242 01:16:09,180 --> 01:16:13,590 there. Yeah, of course. Course I did it. 1243 01:16:14,400 --> 01:16:18,060 Adam Curry: That's what you do. So she said no, this was a poll. 1244 01:16:18,360 --> 01:16:25,710 And and she's a big fan. That Lisa Kay Donner and and she said 1245 01:16:25,710 --> 01:16:29,040 I voted number one and I guess her photo editor she voted us as 1246 01:16:29,040 --> 01:16:31,500 number one the people at Liberty nation listen to us There you 1247 01:16:31,500 --> 01:16:35,880 go. That's that's that's what's going on. It's it's unnecessary, 1248 01:16:35,880 --> 01:16:39,660 but well for the show is very necessary. Miss Lisa, Donna, 1249 01:16:39,660 --> 01:16:43,230 thank you very much. I I'd like to date her but I don't know. 1250 01:16:44,550 --> 01:16:46,440 Can we just wait and see if she comes back 1251 01:16:46,440 --> 01:16:48,540 John C. Dvorak: with a name? Because she may have some she 1252 01:16:48,540 --> 01:16:52,050 wants to buy some suggestions. The black knighting because she 1253 01:16:52,080 --> 01:16:54,120 Adam Curry: No no, no, no, no, it wouldn't be a black knighting 1254 01:16:54,120 --> 01:16:59,370 but it's a very very very nice show support. 1255 01:17:00,450 --> 01:17:02,670 John C. Dvorak: She says we already got number three. 1256 01:17:03,690 --> 01:17:06,450 Adam Curry: And she does ask for something funny Keep up the 1257 01:17:06,450 --> 01:17:09,090 great work you guys rock Thank you very much. I picked 1258 01:17:09,090 --> 01:17:11,430 something funny for you also going to give you some karma 1259 01:17:12,480 --> 01:17:13,350 because you deserve it 1260 01:17:25,980 --> 01:17:43,110 it's fitting ABC easy as 123 racist as couldn't be. We are 1261 01:17:43,110 --> 01:17:46,350 now All right, everybody. And thank actually if you look at 1262 01:17:46,350 --> 01:17:49,830 the their mission statement, they're not an alt right or 1263 01:17:49,920 --> 01:17:53,700 necessarily conservative publication. They claim to have 1264 01:17:53,700 --> 01:17:55,530 libertarian libertarian, correct? 1265 01:17:56,070 --> 01:17:59,070 John C. Dvorak: Yeah, yeah, kind of, you know, there's so many 1266 01:17:59,070 --> 01:18:02,970 different schools of libertarian Yeah, who knows I myself used to 1267 01:18:02,970 --> 01:18:05,070 call myself a libertarian, especially in the early days the 1268 01:18:05,070 --> 01:18:06,360 show stopped it 1269 01:18:06,360 --> 01:18:09,510 Adam Curry: because yeah, it fits in anywhere now. Or when 1270 01:18:09,510 --> 01:18:12,390 people started saying to me, you're probably libertarian. 1271 01:18:12,420 --> 01:18:16,260 That's when I was like, no, no, that's when I stop. Like, No, 1272 01:18:16,530 --> 01:18:18,750 they'll just the way you said that. I don't want to be 1273 01:18:18,750 --> 01:18:22,320 whatever you had on your mind. Yeah. I said, I'm nothing I'm 1274 01:18:22,350 --> 01:18:22,920 where you ought to be. 1275 01:18:24,000 --> 01:18:26,340 John C. Dvorak: Technically, because there's a fourth 1276 01:18:26,340 --> 01:18:30,270 category in California you can be you can be a libertarian. You 1277 01:18:30,480 --> 01:18:33,690 can be subscribing to any of these. Peace and Freedom Party, 1278 01:18:33,690 --> 01:18:37,650 Republican, Democrat or Independent. When you get a 1279 01:18:37,650 --> 01:18:41,460 ballot, the independents have their ballot. But there's the 1280 01:18:41,550 --> 01:18:47,310 real category you want to be in. On affiliated Yes. And you so 1281 01:18:47,310 --> 01:18:50,160 you go into the voting booth is Oh, you're unaffiliated. Which 1282 01:18:50,160 --> 01:18:51,480 ballot would you like? Yes, 1283 01:18:51,780 --> 01:18:53,190 Adam Curry: I'm unambiguous. 1284 01:18:54,720 --> 01:18:58,560 John C. Dvorak: Yeah. And then biggest Miko, Mugler comes in 1285 01:18:58,560 --> 01:19:02,700 second play. Yeah, he's got a Fort Knox Tennessee. You got a 1286 01:19:02,700 --> 01:19:08,190 note from him? 635 bucks. Yeah, he said a check in and he says 1287 01:19:08,190 --> 01:19:13,620 please de douche me. This is long overdue donation. You spend 1288 01:19:13,620 --> 01:19:23,400 de deuced I'm calling this the F 35. Donation. $635. If the F 35 1289 01:19:23,400 --> 01:19:26,280 The fighter jet, you have to read book is still a thing. I 1290 01:19:26,280 --> 01:19:30,630 would like kind of a show thing. But it's not like for you. We 1291 01:19:30,630 --> 01:19:32,670 probably should have a wiki page with people just putting their 1292 01:19:32,670 --> 01:19:36,510 own predictions in Yeah, I would like to add the following. July 1293 01:19:36,540 --> 01:19:41,580 2019. Is a release of Top Gun to seeing that Tom Cruise has gone 1294 01:19:41,580 --> 01:19:45,240 from being an American action hero to that of a global one. I 1295 01:19:45,240 --> 01:19:49,830 predict the following I can cruise Yeah, and I I'm going to 1296 01:19:49,830 --> 01:19:53,400 encourage people to put send their predictions in with large 1297 01:19:53,400 --> 01:19:57,900 donations. Tom Cruise will be the poster child for global 1298 01:19:57,900 --> 01:20:03,570 sales for the F 35 Why else do we need another Top Gun movie, I 1299 01:20:03,570 --> 01:20:06,750 can think of no other global actor better positioned to 1300 01:20:06,750 --> 01:20:09,150 generate worldwide sales. 1301 01:20:10,469 --> 01:20:14,279 Adam Curry: So I'm on board with that. I like the positioning. I 1302 01:20:14,279 --> 01:20:15,719 like it. I like it a lot. 1303 01:20:16,740 --> 01:20:18,570 John C. Dvorak: My other requests is have a personal and 1304 01:20:18,570 --> 01:20:21,840 I was medically retired from the army back in 2013. Last fall, I 1305 01:20:21,840 --> 01:20:26,880 received a 100% permanent disability permanent and total 1306 01:20:26,880 --> 01:20:31,080 disability rating from the VA. That was keeping my fingers 1307 01:20:31,080 --> 01:20:35,550 crossed for 50%. In light of this May I convert my title to 1308 01:20:35,550 --> 01:20:39,720 he exactly is a sir by the way. Sir Michael? Yes, Sir Michael 1309 01:20:39,720 --> 01:20:43,770 Mugler I've read has been donated quite a bit until 1310 01:20:43,800 --> 01:20:49,620 lately. I want to convert my title to Sir anthrax failed 1311 01:20:49,620 --> 01:20:54,330 vaccine tester. So we have to assume 1312 01:20:55,410 --> 01:20:58,650 Adam Curry: Yeah, well, that's what if you get a full medical 1313 01:20:58,650 --> 01:21:02,250 discharge, you have to assume that considering the the 1314 01:21:02,280 --> 01:21:05,250 military shoots those guys up with everything 1315 01:21:06,990 --> 01:21:09,930 John C. Dvorak: that we have to assume he was a failed vaccine 1316 01:21:09,930 --> 01:21:12,660 tester and he's got some government he's got anthrax 1317 01:21:12,870 --> 01:21:16,140 army. As I start this new chapter in my life I'm glad to 1318 01:21:16,140 --> 01:21:19,410 have you guys and this show to keep me grounded karma pleased 1319 01:21:19,410 --> 01:21:22,890 to support my July court date was Social Security to receive 1320 01:21:22,890 --> 01:21:28,080 disability. Jungle request. Fear is freedom jungle, I said just 1321 01:21:28,380 --> 01:21:32,730 jingle sphere is freedom. Thanks again for all the years of 1322 01:21:32,730 --> 01:21:36,180 deconstruction, and helping me deal with my changes in 1323 01:21:36,180 --> 01:21:40,680 personality and loss of short term memory. Why Michael? 1324 01:21:40,710 --> 01:21:44,760 Adam Curry: Holy crap, sir. Anthrax failed vaccine tester. 1325 01:21:44,760 --> 01:21:53,580 Thank you so much. Freedom. Liberation, contradiction is the 1326 01:21:53,580 --> 01:22:08,520 facts of this world. Karma it's kind of like, Wow, man. I know 1327 01:22:08,520 --> 01:22:11,370 that because we get lots of emails from from servicemen and 1328 01:22:11,370 --> 01:22:14,880 women, who say, Oh, yeah, no, they shoot us up with vaccines. 1329 01:22:14,880 --> 01:22:17,820 And then, you know, they have to come back two months later and 1330 01:22:17,820 --> 01:22:20,400 said they couldn't find the paperwork that they just shot 1331 01:22:20,400 --> 01:22:22,710 up, shot me up with some vaccines, I have to do them all 1332 01:22:22,710 --> 01:22:25,920 over again. When you're in the armed forces in the United in 1333 01:22:25,920 --> 01:22:28,770 these United States of determination, you are often a 1334 01:22:28,770 --> 01:22:29,520 guinea pig. 1335 01:22:30,990 --> 01:22:33,180 John C. Dvorak: Which is really not a good thing. Not a good 1336 01:22:33,180 --> 01:22:35,190 Adam Curry: thing. For your courage, 1337 01:22:35,550 --> 01:22:37,590 John C. Dvorak: check and make sure he's not on the upgrade 1338 01:22:37,590 --> 01:22:39,360 list. So you're gonna have to put him on manually 1339 01:22:39,389 --> 01:22:42,899 Adam Curry: because Oh, you mean that title change list? Yeah, of 1340 01:22:42,899 --> 01:22:45,209 course. Of course. It was just sort of Mike, wasn't he? As far 1341 01:22:45,209 --> 01:22:47,069 as I know. Yeah, I 1342 01:22:47,070 --> 01:22:49,920 John C. Dvorak: think so. Mike Mugler. It was may have been 1343 01:22:49,920 --> 01:22:52,800 something else but it's fine. He's gonna be changed anyway. I 1344 01:22:53,370 --> 01:22:58,890 Isabelle Pearson $555.35 ITM gents. This donation is 1345 01:22:58,890 --> 01:23:02,040 particularly important as according to my subscription, it 1346 01:23:02,040 --> 01:23:09,180 will take me over the all important amount excuse me also, 1347 01:23:09,900 --> 01:23:15,030 just ahead of the London meetup which I'll be attending. Oh, 1348 01:23:15,030 --> 01:23:19,500 nice. Yeah, it's gonna be at the Victorian pub and they were 1349 01:23:19,500 --> 01:23:21,660 there by Paddington. This is where we had our other meetup 1350 01:23:21,690 --> 01:23:25,710 Adam Curry: Yes, we decided to go for for a sure thing. 1351 01:23:26,580 --> 01:23:28,890 John C. Dvorak: So we probably just do him there forever. Yeah, 1352 01:23:28,890 --> 01:23:31,410 why not? And Wednesday is going to be better in Art Night we did 1353 01:23:31,410 --> 01:23:35,250 a Friday or Saturday night it was packed. I actually tried Pay 1354 01:23:35,250 --> 01:23:37,950 Pal notwithstanding to donate consistently and for as long as 1355 01:23:37,950 --> 01:23:41,970 I can remember. Never totting up this amount as I felt it was 1356 01:23:41,970 --> 01:23:45,720 value for value and having a title wasn't so important. My 1357 01:23:45,720 --> 01:23:48,930 regular payments aren't linked to my subscriber amount, but I'm 1358 01:23:48,930 --> 01:23:53,400 going to make this one count. claiming a title again is so 1359 01:23:53,400 --> 01:23:56,490 appealing since I was denied listening to the show for a few 1360 01:23:56,490 --> 01:24:02,190 months whilst whilst in hospital she in the United States now 1361 01:24:02,190 --> 01:24:04,770 Adam Curry: she's British she's she gets a pass on this this 1362 01:24:04,770 --> 01:24:05,400 language. 1363 01:24:05,460 --> 01:24:06,960 John C. Dvorak: Yeah, that's right. She's gonna go meet her 1364 01:24:06,960 --> 01:24:10,620 meet up Yeah, okay. Yeah, whilst in hospital. I think it should 1365 01:24:10,620 --> 01:24:14,370 say why it was that the first hospital visits since you left 1366 01:24:14,370 --> 01:24:19,200 university. Thankfully, making a good recovery How time flies is 1367 01:24:19,200 --> 01:24:24,420 YouTube actually disgust me on show 3170 for a humbling couple 1368 01:24:24,420 --> 01:24:26,670 of minutes. Oh, 1369 01:24:26,700 --> 01:24:29,190 Adam Curry: yes. Quarter droppin I remember. Sure. 1370 01:24:30,780 --> 01:24:33,060 John C. Dvorak: As I pointed out that I'd listened to you since 1371 01:24:33,060 --> 01:24:36,630 the first show. You then felt that there were fewer female 1372 01:24:36,630 --> 01:24:40,020 supporters. However, I was so proud that in your own words, 1373 01:24:40,020 --> 01:24:45,120 you stated that I had been found and identified the female 1374 01:24:45,120 --> 01:24:48,870 listener, the first female listener, in fact, anyway, roll 1375 01:24:48,870 --> 01:24:52,440 on Wednesday when I'll meet Tina and Adam. Isabel, 1376 01:24:53,130 --> 01:24:56,490 Adam Curry: as she's going to be Dane Isabel Pearson Eric the 1377 01:24:56,490 --> 01:25:00,540 show did put Lisa Donner on as a dame. I just feel that Uh, I 1378 01:25:00,540 --> 01:25:04,350 don't know we'll wait we'll wait for her but Isabel is going to 1379 01:25:04,350 --> 01:25:07,440 be a dame she had no specific name so perfect. And look 1380 01:25:07,440 --> 01:25:11,280 forward to meeting you in person on Wednesday. Wow, that's 11 1381 01:25:11,280 --> 01:25:15,840 years she has been list except for a few months when she was in 1382 01:25:15,840 --> 01:25:18,000 hospital and out of commission. 1383 01:25:20,730 --> 01:25:22,290 John C. Dvorak: That's great. That's gonna be great. I'm gonna 1384 01:25:22,290 --> 01:25:23,490 think it'd be a good meetup maker 1385 01:25:23,490 --> 01:25:25,620 Adam Curry: some karma here. Thank you very much, Isabel. See 1386 01:25:25,620 --> 01:25:30,150 you. You've got karma at the roundtable later and in, in 1387 01:25:30,150 --> 01:25:32,880 London at the meetup on Wednesday. Excellent. 1388 01:25:33,450 --> 01:25:35,700 John C. Dvorak: Well, maybe Derek got a note or something as 1389 01:25:35,700 --> 01:25:40,200 possible from Lisa. What does he have a big day 1390 01:25:40,260 --> 01:25:44,250 Adam Curry: Dame Lisa Dame what would you do that? Yeah, 1391 01:25:44,280 --> 01:25:46,020 John C. Dvorak: I trust that she gives you what's changed your 1392 01:25:46,020 --> 01:25:46,380 title. We 1393 01:25:46,530 --> 01:25:48,420 Adam Curry: can always change that. Okay, so we'll just do. 1394 01:25:49,170 --> 01:25:52,350 Dame Lisa Donner and Dame Isabel Pierce. Okay, good. 1395 01:25:52,440 --> 01:25:54,240 John C. Dvorak: Good. That's fine. Nobody has to get fancy. 1396 01:25:54,810 --> 01:25:59,550 And this is a funny show, like getting fancy. Justin Biss 1397 01:25:59,580 --> 01:26:05,820 Bissette. In what tato diwata. Tada. wasa Wisconsin. Now, 1398 01:26:05,940 --> 01:26:10,110 somebody sent us a pronunciation Gadgeteer on how to pronounce 1399 01:26:10,110 --> 01:26:14,760 all these funny names, which are all apparently Old French. Yeah. 1400 01:26:15,240 --> 01:26:18,570 That was this name in there. I don't know. I meant to Prentiss 1401 01:26:18,570 --> 01:26:19,860 said stick it up. It 1402 01:26:19,860 --> 01:26:22,440 Adam Curry: should be it should be I don't I don't recall. 1403 01:26:22,470 --> 01:26:24,960 John C. Dvorak: But Todd Tosa. What's atossa I don't know. 1404 01:26:24,990 --> 01:26:30,150 We'll we'll birthday donation Hello, John and Adam from what? 1405 01:26:30,480 --> 01:26:34,890 Wauwatosa while Wauwatosa last year my wife Tiffany feel you 1406 01:26:34,890 --> 01:26:39,780 know when we first started doing this show in the first maybe the 1407 01:26:39,780 --> 01:26:45,180 third season? I got to know because obviously you really do 1408 01:26:45,180 --> 01:26:48,870 a wonderful job of pronouncing Wisconsin names because they're 1409 01:26:48,870 --> 01:26:53,520 all crazy. And now I'm condemned for being the worst at it. 1410 01:26:56,340 --> 01:26:58,260 Adam Curry: I don't think condemned is right people just 1411 01:26:58,260 --> 01:26:59,490 want to help you. 1412 01:27:01,230 --> 01:27:03,840 John C. Dvorak: Last year my wife Tiffany feeler donated for 1413 01:27:03,840 --> 01:27:06,780 her birthday June 8, and asked for some health karma they 1414 01:27:06,780 --> 01:27:12,030 helped karma was for her brain surgery to deal with trigeminal 1415 01:27:12,030 --> 01:27:16,800 neuralgia. I think it's a way to pronounce it. If you happen to 1416 01:27:16,800 --> 01:27:21,180 recall this is the disease that is nicknamed the suicide disease 1417 01:27:21,180 --> 01:27:24,300 and causes pain to the face. Like a teaser. 1418 01:27:24,300 --> 01:27:25,530 Adam Curry: Yes, I remember this. 1419 01:27:25,740 --> 01:27:29,160 John C. Dvorak: Yeah, I vaguely remember it. It sounds horrible. 1420 01:27:29,160 --> 01:27:29,760 I betcha she 1421 01:27:29,760 --> 01:27:30,300 Adam Curry: remembered 1422 01:27:32,070 --> 01:27:35,700 John C. Dvorak: what sounds like what is the thing you get from 1423 01:27:35,940 --> 01:27:38,580 when you had chickenpox and later in life? He gets something 1424 01:27:38,580 --> 01:27:39,030 else. 1425 01:27:41,400 --> 01:27:46,530 Adam Curry: Scales No. What's it called the scales. gills. 1426 01:27:47,700 --> 01:27:49,260 John C. Dvorak: This chatroom knows what I'm talking about. 1427 01:27:49,320 --> 01:27:53,250 It's around your it's a shingles, shingles. This 1428 01:27:53,250 --> 01:27:57,720 horrible, horrible pains scales guild shingles scale. 1429 01:27:57,750 --> 01:27:58,650 Adam Curry: I knew we'd get there. 1430 01:27:58,980 --> 01:28:01,020 John C. Dvorak: Well, I'm very happy he continues well, I'm 1431 01:28:01,020 --> 01:28:04,110 very happy to report that yet again. No agenda karma works. 1432 01:28:04,650 --> 01:28:09,000 pain free for a year and has been kicking acid recovery. On 1433 01:28:09,000 --> 01:28:12,240 top of the health karma there must have been some jobs karma 1434 01:28:12,240 --> 01:28:16,440 too because she now has a job she loves. So here's Happy 1435 01:28:16,440 --> 01:28:19,500 birthday to my smokin hot wife can you play a Sharpton clip 1436 01:28:19,650 --> 01:28:23,730 shapeshifting Jew and a goat scream another dose of health 1437 01:28:23,730 --> 01:28:26,580 karma we'd be appreciate it too. Thanks for all you guys do 1438 01:28:26,610 --> 01:28:29,700 Adam Curry: absolutely Justin we could not be happier this is 1439 01:28:29,730 --> 01:28:33,330 this is a very good note and of course she's on a Tiffany's on 1440 01:28:33,330 --> 01:28:36,000 the list so we'll be congratulating her later and I 1441 01:28:36,000 --> 01:28:39,330 even pulled up a a fresh Sharpton did he to play for you 1442 01:28:39,870 --> 01:28:42,660 Unknown: ultimately end up backfiring on the Republicans 1443 01:28:42,900 --> 01:29:00,690 are they over jumping the runway here couldn't help shapeshifting 1444 01:29:00,690 --> 01:29:16,170 Jews shapes and illustrations karma 1445 01:29:20,130 --> 01:29:25,650 John C. Dvorak: good catch by someone. What? The Sharpton clip 1446 01:29:26,250 --> 01:29:27,600 I want you to show. 1447 01:29:27,810 --> 01:29:29,790 Adam Curry: No, no, this is that's an old one. It's an oldie 1448 01:29:29,790 --> 01:29:32,400 but a goodie is an old one. I pulled it from the archives. 1449 01:29:32,880 --> 01:29:34,770 John C. Dvorak: Oh, I don't remember it. Well, anyway, 1450 01:29:34,770 --> 01:29:37,530 that's it. We don't have any Associate Executive producers 1451 01:29:37,530 --> 01:29:40,530 for show well before dots. That's something that hasn't 1452 01:29:40,530 --> 01:29:43,680 happened often. No, usually the other way around. That's 1453 01:29:43,680 --> 01:29:47,340 Adam Curry: very odd. Well, the way we run this show is we'd 1454 01:29:47,340 --> 01:29:50,790 like to thank as many people as possible for their support of 1455 01:29:50,790 --> 01:29:52,830 the program. It's how the value for value system where some 1456 01:29:52,830 --> 01:29:54,990 people get value out of hearing their name and having the note 1457 01:29:54,990 --> 01:29:58,710 read. Most get the value out of what they get from the program 1458 01:29:58,710 --> 01:30:02,190 and then telling us about it. People want jobs, karma health 1459 01:30:02,190 --> 01:30:04,740 karma. It's all pieces of the network that you came up with. 1460 01:30:04,740 --> 01:30:08,910 We didn't. And we, we always like to thank, in fact, very 1461 01:30:08,910 --> 01:30:11,010 much like Hollywood, our executive producers and 1462 01:30:11,040 --> 01:30:15,180 Associate Executive Producers up front. It's odd though, that we 1463 01:30:15,180 --> 01:30:17,880 didn't have any associates. So it's $300 and above for 1464 01:30:17,880 --> 01:30:20,550 executive 200 above for Associate Executive. And when 1465 01:30:20,550 --> 01:30:23,580 you of course, thank everyone over $50. In our second segment, 1466 01:30:23,580 --> 01:30:29,970 I was thinking of something. An idea, John, just an idea. Since 1467 01:30:29,970 --> 01:30:34,740 we were not anti some of taking some of the mainstream ideas 1468 01:30:34,740 --> 01:30:39,270 such as executive producer, it's exactly the executive producers 1469 01:30:39,990 --> 01:30:43,170 put money into the project. That's exactly what they do. So 1470 01:30:43,170 --> 01:30:47,070 it's a valid it's a valuable title. And it works anywhere 1471 01:30:47,070 --> 01:30:51,630 titles are accepted. I have not been able to come up with a name 1472 01:30:51,720 --> 01:30:55,620 for the studio yet and every show I'll get notes after the 1473 01:30:55,620 --> 01:30:59,670 show. I really miss you saying you know, in the five by nine, 1474 01:30:59,670 --> 01:31:02,250 Claudia, well, I can't say that because I'm not in the studio 1475 01:31:02,250 --> 01:31:08,730 anymore. I was thinking if we, we just follow along with some 1476 01:31:08,730 --> 01:31:13,050 of the mainstream things that we do like to emulate, such as 1477 01:31:13,080 --> 01:31:15,780 knighthoods. Now, that's very mainstream. It's been around for 1478 01:31:15,780 --> 01:31:16,680 a couple 1000 years. 1479 01:31:17,700 --> 01:31:20,400 John C. Dvorak: Before we go on, how about putting a little sign 1480 01:31:20,400 --> 01:31:23,670 outside the doors and calling it to tissues, studios? 1481 01:31:23,700 --> 01:31:26,640 Adam Curry: Well, you're you you almost have what I was thinking. 1482 01:31:27,480 --> 01:31:32,820 Studio naming rights. We've got the Nokia theatre we've got 1483 01:31:32,850 --> 01:31:33,990 everything has a name 1484 01:31:33,990 --> 01:31:36,540 John C. Dvorak: is a great idea. And this by the way did wasn't a 1485 01:31:36,540 --> 01:31:40,440 network TV idea. This came from the one of the first places that 1486 01:31:40,470 --> 01:31:45,390 this evolved from was the San Francisco Giants Candlestick 1487 01:31:45,390 --> 01:31:48,780 Park, which was you know his name, but I forgot what the 1488 01:31:48,780 --> 01:31:52,440 first day was now. But they became monster field and all 1489 01:31:52,440 --> 01:31:54,450 these different things. And it went from like, hey, I'll give 1490 01:31:54,450 --> 01:31:58,230 you $50,000 If you call your stadium, okay, we'll take it. 1491 01:31:58,410 --> 01:32:01,680 And then they realized that wait a minute. And so they upped it 1492 01:32:01,680 --> 01:32:04,560 to half a million now I think it's millions of dollars for 1493 01:32:04,560 --> 01:32:05,430 naming rights. And 1494 01:32:06,900 --> 01:32:09,060 Adam Curry: I'm not quite sure what the parameters are. But I 1495 01:32:09,060 --> 01:32:12,030 would love to see like your auction, the the Nussbaum 1496 01:32:12,240 --> 01:32:16,080 studio. It could be could be anything like that. So it's 1497 01:32:16,080 --> 01:32:18,360 something we need to work on. But I just came to me, it's more 1498 01:32:18,360 --> 01:32:21,750 like, I want to be able to call the studio something. But why 1499 01:32:21,750 --> 01:32:23,850 don't we just get do naming rights and they could be 1500 01:32:23,850 --> 01:32:26,820 limited. They could be naming rights for one show one week, 1501 01:32:26,820 --> 01:32:29,790 one month? I don't know. It's just something to think about. 1502 01:32:30,030 --> 01:32:33,120 John C. Dvorak: Let's mull it over, mull it over and then in 1503 01:32:33,120 --> 01:32:33,900 the next meeting, 1504 01:32:34,290 --> 01:32:38,100 Adam Curry: okay. It's the meeting over. That's how our 1505 01:32:38,100 --> 01:32:38,880 meetings go. 1506 01:32:39,030 --> 01:32:41,070 John C. Dvorak: Hey, guys. Yeah, pretty much. I would like to 1507 01:32:41,070 --> 01:32:44,610 read a note before I continue. Sure. This is the one of our 1508 01:32:44,610 --> 01:32:49,020 nights it's going to be knighted today, sir white noise. Todd 1509 01:32:49,020 --> 01:32:51,540 Moore's note, I just thought it was an interesting note I came 1510 01:32:51,540 --> 01:32:56,520 through and it's kind of funny. Because one of those insightful 1511 01:32:56,520 --> 01:32:59,820 notes be from a guy who doesn't, doesn't care that he likes to 1512 01:32:59,850 --> 01:33:04,200 reveal that he started at the CIA is no BS no begins. My 1513 01:33:04,200 --> 01:33:07,800 career started at the CIA while in college as a dude named Ben I 1514 01:33:07,800 --> 01:33:12,870 eventually worked for Director John dois. Or Deus. And George 1515 01:33:12,870 --> 01:33:13,200 Tenet, 1516 01:33:13,230 --> 01:33:14,850 Adam Curry: we know him Oh, he's so which way am I? So 1517 01:33:14,850 --> 01:33:16,770 experience? So this goes back a while? 1518 01:33:17,190 --> 01:33:20,790 John C. Dvorak: Yeah, does. One time my boss told me to swap out 1519 01:33:20,790 --> 01:33:24,240 the green phone at an office located in the basement of 1520 01:33:24,240 --> 01:33:25,170 headquarters? Yeah, 1521 01:33:25,200 --> 01:33:28,290 Adam Curry: let me just say, hold on. If If my boss told me 1522 01:33:28,650 --> 01:33:32,550 go swap out the green phone in the basement. I'd be thinking 1523 01:33:32,550 --> 01:33:36,300 they were going to whack me. I wouldn't go I wouldn't want to 1524 01:33:36,300 --> 01:33:37,440 go down to the basement 1525 01:33:37,440 --> 01:33:40,350 John C. Dvorak: one word. Yes, yes. Yes. He's gonna get 1526 01:33:40,350 --> 01:33:46,950 promoted Casino. Yeah, yeah, it sounds like it sounds like it. 1527 01:33:47,130 --> 01:33:51,240 The mafia. Mafia hit. One time my boss told me to swap out the 1528 01:33:51,240 --> 01:33:53,910 green phone at an office located in the basement of headquarters. 1529 01:33:53,910 --> 01:33:57,210 This is an odd request. Because of all the offices I supported. 1530 01:33:57,210 --> 01:34:01,020 Were at the top floors of HQ. After now I'm assuming this is 1531 01:34:01,020 --> 01:34:04,740 Langley. After navigating my way through a maze of narrow 1532 01:34:04,740 --> 01:34:08,940 hallways. I finally arrived at the office and walked in. It was 1533 01:34:08,940 --> 01:34:13,920 a small this actually is a movie scene. It was a small dark room 1534 01:34:13,920 --> 01:34:18,570 that had outdated furniture from the 50s. Everything was old, 1535 01:34:18,570 --> 01:34:22,110 including the man behind the desk who was smoking a fucking 1536 01:34:22,110 --> 01:34:27,810 cigar like a boss was great. headquarters has a smoke free 1537 01:34:27,810 --> 01:34:32,400 facility. But this dude was just puffing away while the secretary 1538 01:34:32,640 --> 01:34:36,570 who was just as old was typing something out of her ancient 1539 01:34:36,570 --> 01:34:42,720 typewriter. I felt like I teleported back in time. The old 1540 01:34:42,720 --> 01:34:46,530 man in what was probably an effort to brag about his former 1541 01:34:46,530 --> 01:34:51,480 glory asked quote, do you see those boxes? He pointed over to 1542 01:34:51,480 --> 01:35:00,120 boxes with labels. JFK, Iran Contra and Roswell. Right at 1543 01:35:01,200 --> 01:35:06,750 Roswell you get so many security briefings drilled into your head 1544 01:35:06,750 --> 01:35:10,140 about the need to know policy that even though I wanted to 1545 01:35:10,140 --> 01:35:13,920 know, I didn't need to know, so I didn't ask any questions. I 1546 01:35:13,920 --> 01:35:19,050 have no idea who he was, but it was my most bizarre experience 1547 01:35:19,050 --> 01:35:22,110 there. I would greatly appreciate it mentioned for my 1548 01:35:22,110 --> 01:35:25,410 latest app, play a pod play a pod player a 1549 01:35:25,439 --> 01:35:28,799 Adam Curry: layup isn't like an im a player or play a play a 1550 01:35:28,799 --> 01:35:32,999 pod. Pl a Y A because I got to play a pod right 1551 01:35:33,000 --> 01:35:36,360 John C. Dvorak: here. Like the play I get to play, which is the 1552 01:35:36,360 --> 01:35:38,730 best way to listen to the best podcast in the universe. No 1553 01:35:38,730 --> 01:35:41,730 agenda has been featured in play of pod since inception. I'll 1554 01:35:41,730 --> 01:35:44,670 eventually adopt your value for value model. But for now, it's a 1555 01:35:44,670 --> 01:35:48,570 non money making passion project. Ah, you and Adam make 1556 01:35:48,570 --> 01:35:52,200 an awesome team. And I really enjoy the FIM five M beatings. 1557 01:35:53,430 --> 01:35:56,490 regularly give. Thanks for keeping us all sane. And please 1558 01:35:56,490 --> 01:36:00,600 send me some mobile app karma. I'll check that. Specifically 1559 01:36:00,600 --> 01:36:03,420 you have my permission to read my name. And she and later on 1560 01:36:03,420 --> 01:36:05,400 the show Todd more. All right. 1561 01:36:05,760 --> 01:36:08,130 Adam Curry: Well, thank you. Thank you very much. Great 1562 01:36:08,130 --> 01:36:12,540 story. I'd love to know more about this room. Sounds good 1563 01:36:12,540 --> 01:36:16,740 with the rise box over USB Roswell box and play a pod. 1564 01:36:16,740 --> 01:36:19,170 Yeah, I'll check it out. I'll tweet out a link to it later on. 1565 01:36:19,800 --> 01:36:23,430 Very cool. Thank you. And here is some play a pod app karma for 1566 01:36:23,430 --> 01:36:26,880 you. Thank you for your support of the show. You've got karma. 1567 01:36:27,150 --> 01:36:32,280 He will become a knight today. And he was on the 20 month 1568 01:36:32,280 --> 01:36:39,030 layaway plan. Congratulations. It does work. Thanks, everybody 1569 01:36:39,030 --> 01:36:42,210 for your support of the program, especially our executive 1570 01:36:42,210 --> 01:36:44,760 producers that we had today will be thanking more people $50 And 1571 01:36:44,760 --> 01:36:48,420 above and our second segment. The next show will be coming to 1572 01:36:48,420 --> 01:36:52,800 you from London in Gitmo nation east the United Kingdom as the 1573 01:36:52,800 --> 01:36:55,620 keeper and I'll be flying in on Wednesday for our meetup more 1574 01:36:55,620 --> 01:36:58,440 about the meetups later on. And of course you can support us at 1575 01:36:58,440 --> 01:37:01,500 avora.org/and 1576 01:37:01,590 --> 01:37:04,050 a pretty sure you got a good dose of deconstruction on the 1577 01:37:04,050 --> 01:37:06,510 latest ad pocalypse go up propagate that 1578 01:37:06,540 --> 01:37:10,830 John C. Dvorak: our formula is this we go out for yet people in 1579 01:37:10,830 --> 01:37:11,160 the mouth 1580 01:37:28,770 --> 01:37:31,260 we've gotten of quite a while here and I don't believe we 1581 01:37:31,260 --> 01:37:31,980 played a clip. 1582 01:37:32,520 --> 01:37:35,130 Adam Curry: Well, we we've played a few clips. But we've we 1583 01:37:35,130 --> 01:37:36,570 have been chatting a bit. Yes. 1584 01:37:38,070 --> 01:37:40,650 John C. Dvorak: I have a final entre. Hold on, hold on, hold 1585 01:37:40,650 --> 01:37:41,250 on, hold on, hold 1586 01:37:41,250 --> 01:37:43,620 Adam Curry: on, hold on, hold on. When we do this, I have to 1587 01:37:43,620 --> 01:37:48,960 say, your aircraft and then you say my aircraft so that I know 1588 01:37:48,960 --> 01:37:51,810 that you have control. So it's your aircraft. 1589 01:37:52,410 --> 01:37:54,210 John C. Dvorak: Okay, it's my aircraft, you're good to go. 1590 01:37:56,010 --> 01:37:59,880 Here's an old Bob Hope movie clip from PRI think is from the 1591 01:37:59,880 --> 01:38:04,530 40s. Maybe the 50s. But it just shows you that things do not 1592 01:38:04,530 --> 01:38:07,440 change the way people like to imagine that they do 1593 01:38:07,470 --> 01:38:09,900 Unknown: you live here? Yeah, maybe you know what a zombie is 1594 01:38:10,320 --> 01:38:14,010 when a person dies. And there's various things that certain 1595 01:38:14,010 --> 01:38:17,400 voodoo priests who have the power to bring him back to life. 1596 01:38:18,960 --> 01:38:21,270 That's worse than horrible because a zombie has no will of 1597 01:38:21,270 --> 01:38:26,100 his own. You see them sometimes walking around blindly with dead 1598 01:38:26,100 --> 01:38:30,060 eyes, following orders. Not knowing what they do not caring. 1599 01:38:30,300 --> 01:38:31,380 If you mean like Democrat. 1600 01:38:34,950 --> 01:38:40,440 Adam Curry: I've seen this one. Yeah, I guess the bashing has 1601 01:38:40,440 --> 01:38:42,660 been going on for a while. What year was that? That? 1602 01:38:43,260 --> 01:38:45,720 John C. Dvorak: I don't know. It's probably I'm guessing the 1603 01:38:46,680 --> 01:38:47,310 late 40s. 1604 01:38:47,970 --> 01:38:50,430 Adam Curry: It's a classic. It's a classic. Very nice. It's 1605 01:38:50,430 --> 01:38:51,030 John C. Dvorak: a classic. 1606 01:38:51,240 --> 01:38:57,210 Adam Curry: I think I'm right. About the 2024 moon shot. It 1607 01:38:57,210 --> 01:38:59,850 seems like that's bullcrap. Like it's not going to happen 1608 01:38:59,940 --> 01:39:02,550 John C. Dvorak: was Trump's already put the kibosh on it 1609 01:39:02,550 --> 01:39:03,660 hasn't he? Yeah, he's saying 1610 01:39:03,660 --> 01:39:06,570 Adam Curry: like, no, no, let's not waste any time on the moon 1611 01:39:06,570 --> 01:39:11,580 to the Mars to Mars. We must go Oh, please. So here's what 1612 01:39:11,580 --> 01:39:16,200 here's how it happens. Someone goes present, you know about the 1613 01:39:16,860 --> 01:39:22,020 about the moon thing? As is problematic, guys, you know, why 1614 01:39:22,020 --> 01:39:25,020 don't you say Mars push it out a little bit. That'd be better for 1615 01:39:25,020 --> 01:39:28,800 us, you know, could be is presently. I have a couple of 1616 01:39:28,800 --> 01:39:31,020 clips here for you, Mr. President. This is done petite, 1617 01:39:31,140 --> 01:39:34,320 former NASA astronaut. He has something to say go 1618 01:39:34,320 --> 01:39:38,250 John C. Dvorak: to the moon in a nanosecond. The problem is we 1619 01:39:38,250 --> 01:39:42,120 don't have the technology to do that anymore. We used to, but we 1620 01:39:42,870 --> 01:39:47,250 destroyed that technology. And it's a painful process to build 1621 01:39:47,250 --> 01:39:47,940 it back again. 1622 01:39:47,970 --> 01:39:50,040 Adam Curry: Yeah, Mr. President, I don't think we should probably 1623 01:39:50,040 --> 01:39:51,900 talk about something else with the moon because I don't think 1624 01:39:51,900 --> 01:39:54,900 we can do it. Here's Jeanne Krantz, the Apollo 11 NASA 1625 01:39:54,900 --> 01:39:59,340 flight director. I haven't seen anything that indicates the 1626 01:39:59,340 --> 01:40:02,610 telemetry that is even in existence and as I said even if 1627 01:40:02,610 --> 01:40:05,520 we hadn't we don't have the machines to play it back. But 1628 01:40:05,520 --> 01:40:08,310 your you your own research has shown the telemetry data is 1629 01:40:08,310 --> 01:40:11,580 missing. That's, that's right. Oh, the telemetry data of all 1630 01:40:11,580 --> 01:40:14,250 the morning is missing. We can't eat. We don't even have a 1631 01:40:14,250 --> 01:40:17,820 machine to play it. But Mr. President, here's something from 1632 01:40:17,820 --> 01:40:21,150 David Williams. Dr. Williams is the archivist also known as 1633 01:40:21,150 --> 01:40:25,350 hoarder at NASA Goddard Space Center, that surely he would 1634 01:40:25,350 --> 01:40:28,740 know where all the tapes and the telemetry is you're making now 1635 01:40:28,740 --> 01:40:29,190 what is it 1636 01:40:29,520 --> 01:40:30,810 John C. Dvorak: doesn't have a name? I mean, do you have you 1637 01:40:30,810 --> 01:40:33,660 have a name for it yet? Are you okay? Did we go? Should we go? 1638 01:40:33,660 --> 01:40:40,620 Okay. Okay. doesn't have an either. So right as an ad writes 1639 01:40:40,620 --> 01:40:41,460 and doesn't write, 1640 01:40:41,520 --> 01:40:45,060 right, we we've been unable to track it down. I mean, we don't 1641 01:40:45,060 --> 01:40:50,370 know where this this telemetry data ended up. And we don't know 1642 01:40:50,610 --> 01:40:54,870 what path it may have taken. So unfortunately, I'm afraid I 1643 01:40:54,870 --> 01:40:58,080 can't really give you much of a clue as to as to where this data 1644 01:40:58,080 --> 01:40:59,790 ended up and whether it still exists 1645 01:41:00,450 --> 01:41:02,550 Adam Curry: on the cutting room floor where the rest of all the 1646 01:41:02,550 --> 01:41:04,110 movies theater crap. 1647 01:41:05,700 --> 01:41:07,410 John C. Dvorak: Yield little space. 1648 01:41:08,010 --> 01:41:10,740 Adam Curry: You have very little faith, very little faith. What I 1649 01:41:10,740 --> 01:41:16,980 do see is I see a Bebo showing his his his landing module, and 1650 01:41:16,980 --> 01:41:20,640 he shows it in a beautiful CGI animated thing that looks pretty 1651 01:41:20,640 --> 01:41:23,310 real. So Lisa getting that part, right? 1652 01:41:24,960 --> 01:41:27,210 John C. Dvorak: Well, they did they do have a fallback thing 1653 01:41:27,210 --> 01:41:30,810 they're going to do to get your attention. Oh, and that's this 1654 01:41:30,810 --> 01:41:33,780 clip that says trips to the space station. 1655 01:41:34,890 --> 01:41:37,770 Want to go into space? NASA said today it's going to open the 1656 01:41:37,770 --> 01:41:40,830 International Space Station to tourists might happen as early 1657 01:41:40,830 --> 01:41:43,920 as next year, but it won't be cheap. Private companies, Boeing 1658 01:41:43,920 --> 01:41:48,180 and SpaceX are expected to charge get this up to $58 1659 01:41:48,180 --> 01:41:52,140 million. And that's round trip. Guess how much room and board is 1660 01:41:52,590 --> 01:41:55,200 $35,000 at night? 1661 01:41:56,880 --> 01:42:01,860 Yeah, and you have to be there for 30 days. No, cool. Sounds 1662 01:42:01,860 --> 01:42:06,750 boring. It sounds extreme. Yeah, you're gonna be 1663 01:42:07,469 --> 01:42:09,479 Adam Curry: I mean, it was really cool. I'd love to blast 1664 01:42:09,479 --> 01:42:11,969 off and sit up there for a bit. But after a couple days, we're 1665 01:42:11,969 --> 01:42:16,169 like, alright, adios. mofos I'm tired of pooping in the bag. I'm 1666 01:42:17,069 --> 01:42:18,029 gonna go home. 1667 01:42:18,900 --> 01:42:22,200 John C. Dvorak: And when I go home, and you know, they have to 1668 01:42:22,200 --> 01:42:25,800 do psychological things with these guys who are the 1669 01:42:25,800 --> 01:42:30,000 astronauts and the women. They're all tested to death and 1670 01:42:30,000 --> 01:42:32,280 gone through, you know, center of, you know, this thing that 1671 01:42:32,280 --> 01:42:36,420 spins them around and, and they do psychological testing, 1672 01:42:36,420 --> 01:42:38,970 because not everyone is equipped to be up there because it is 1673 01:42:38,970 --> 01:42:41,760 boring. And you gotta you're stuck. And you got to poop in a 1674 01:42:41,760 --> 01:42:46,380 thing that sucks that it has some vacuum device and is spit 1675 01:42:46,380 --> 01:42:48,900 floating around inside. I mean, there's a lot of things that you 1676 01:42:48,900 --> 01:42:51,990 have to deal with. And it's not for the general public. It's not 1677 01:42:51,990 --> 01:42:56,760 like going to Disneyland. No, no. But some jerks will go up 1678 01:42:56,760 --> 01:42:59,610 there. You can count on it. There's more than a few 1679 01:42:59,610 --> 01:43:03,480 billionaires where 50 billion bucks maybe plus expenses. I 1680 01:43:03,480 --> 01:43:03,690 think 1681 01:43:03,690 --> 01:43:06,630 Adam Curry: your your initial comment is correct. It's it's a 1682 01:43:06,630 --> 01:43:11,070 great distraction. Since there will be no moon landing in 2024 1683 01:43:11,100 --> 01:43:13,680 telling you right now is not going to happen. I'm willing to 1684 01:43:13,680 --> 01:43:19,020 do the show until 2024. Just to prove it. Yeah, yes. stubborn 1685 01:43:19,020 --> 01:43:20,460 guy just to celebrate. 1686 01:43:20,820 --> 01:43:23,250 John C. Dvorak: Hey, there's one story that did kind of annoyed 1687 01:43:23,250 --> 01:43:27,300 me because I went to ABC, CBS public went all over the place. 1688 01:43:27,300 --> 01:43:32,550 There's a C six week cycle event. Yes. That took place in 1689 01:43:32,550 --> 01:43:37,920 New York, New York City. Yes. And only CBS the CIA 1690 01:43:37,920 --> 01:43:41,940 broadcasting system were the only ones who reported it. And 1691 01:43:41,940 --> 01:43:44,520 it was somewhat annoying because it's a really good event but as 1692 01:43:44,520 --> 01:43:48,210 follows the same old pattern, where the FBI found some guy 1693 01:43:48,210 --> 01:43:52,800 took him for about a year to get this guy to radicalize the guy, 1694 01:43:52,800 --> 01:43:55,050 even though they should just put them on YouTube apparently would 1695 01:43:55,050 --> 01:43:59,010 have radicalized himself in just a few videos. But besides that, 1696 01:43:59,280 --> 01:44:01,860 it took him about a year to get the guy to do all the things 1697 01:44:01,860 --> 01:44:05,190 they needed to do and as soon as he finally they finally arrested 1698 01:44:05,190 --> 01:44:10,410 him for buying a gun from another agent. And this is this 1699 01:44:10,410 --> 01:44:14,040 story never really got a lot of attention. I gave me a lot of 1700 01:44:14,040 --> 01:44:14,970 it. I liked it. Go 1701 01:44:15,000 --> 01:44:18,660 Unknown: versus tell CBS News The FBI keyed in on Asha qual 1702 01:44:18,660 --> 01:44:22,500 olam based on suspicious social media activity and reached out 1703 01:44:22,500 --> 01:44:26,670 to him in August 2018. Over 10 months of clandestine meetings 1704 01:44:26,670 --> 01:44:31,050 with an undercover officer olam praise al Qaeda and ISIS. Wait a 1705 01:44:31,050 --> 01:44:34,530 Adam Curry: minute. So there was suspicious social media activity 1706 01:44:34,530 --> 01:44:38,370 instead of going over to this guy and saying, Hey, bro, could 1707 01:44:38,370 --> 01:44:40,680 you stop the suspicious behavior because you're looking a lot 1708 01:44:40,680 --> 01:44:44,790 like ISIS and just confronting him? None and none of 1709 01:44:45,030 --> 01:44:47,730 John C. Dvorak: that would be policing. Oh, that's trying to 1710 01:44:47,730 --> 01:44:51,600 keep the, you know, public sakes. was silly. You don't want 1711 01:44:51,600 --> 01:44:53,730 to do that. You want to make it worse. Yes. 1712 01:44:55,260 --> 01:44:57,630 Unknown: Over 10 months of clandestine meetings with an 1713 01:44:57,630 --> 01:45:02,130 undercover officer, olam preys on Qaeda and ISIS. According to 1714 01:45:02,130 --> 01:45:05,340 court papers alarm said the September 11 attacks were a 1715 01:45:05,340 --> 01:45:09,930 complete success, and it was the duty of Muslims to make a new 1716 01:45:09,930 --> 01:45:12,750 leader. The 22 year old Bangladeshi immigrant from 1717 01:45:12,750 --> 01:45:16,770 Queens zeroed in on attacking New York City. Alarm said he 1718 01:45:16,770 --> 01:45:21,750 wanted to use suicide vests or AR 15 rifles in an attack on 1719 01:45:21,750 --> 01:45:25,320 Time Square. He and the undercover agent went on several 1720 01:45:25,320 --> 01:45:29,310 reconnaissance runs their alarm said a successful attack would 1721 01:45:29,310 --> 01:45:32,850 make them legends. Prosecutor say alarm also expressed 1722 01:45:32,880 --> 01:45:36,060 interest in other New York City landmarks, including attacking 1723 01:45:36,060 --> 01:45:39,450 the Freedom Tower with a rocket launcher. Jerry Hauer is the 1724 01:45:39,450 --> 01:45:42,270 former head of New York state's Department of Homeland Security. 1725 01:45:42,570 --> 01:45:46,260 With somebody like this, you try and keep them under surveillance 1726 01:45:46,260 --> 01:45:50,070 as long as possible to see if he's tied to a network 1727 01:45:50,130 --> 01:45:53,580 in a sting operation. Yesterday Alon purchased two Glock 1728 01:45:53,580 --> 01:45:56,640 handguns with the serial number scratched off from other 1729 01:45:56,640 --> 01:46:01,770 undercover officers. He was then quickly arrested. A judge 1730 01:46:01,830 --> 01:46:04,890 ordered a longhouse saying he posed a danger. And he wasn't 1731 01:46:04,890 --> 01:46:08,460 just talking big David, sources tell us the FBI believed he was 1732 01:46:08,460 --> 01:46:12,000 committed enough to carry out an attack. His public defenders 1733 01:46:12,060 --> 01:46:13,050 have not yet commented, 1734 01:46:13,230 --> 01:46:15,990 Adam Curry: Oh, hold on, where's the rest of the story about the 1735 01:46:15,990 --> 01:46:18,660 network that they uncovered? Because they kept this guide 1736 01:46:18,660 --> 01:46:23,190 strung along for 10 months. So there's no network has just said 1737 01:46:23,190 --> 01:46:26,370 there was a network. But they said that he literally said we 1738 01:46:26,370 --> 01:46:29,580 like to do this, so that we can find out if there's a network 1739 01:46:29,580 --> 01:46:31,830 behind it, but it took them 10 months, he said, but 1740 01:46:31,860 --> 01:46:35,130 John C. Dvorak: they didn't find one. No. It's alone. 1741 01:46:35,790 --> 01:46:40,020 Adam Curry: So we received information years ago, that 1742 01:46:40,020 --> 01:46:45,900 every six weeks or so, and such FBI likes to do one of these, or 1743 01:46:45,900 --> 01:46:49,080 at least go and arrest someone, it's like a boy six, we've got 1744 01:46:49,080 --> 01:46:53,580 time. So they can keep their resources, their budgets and be 1745 01:46:53,580 --> 01:46:58,380 relevant in the counter terrorism game, because there's 1746 01:46:58,380 --> 01:47:01,500 a lot of different players in government, and they need to 1747 01:47:01,980 --> 01:47:04,890 keep their budgets and their position. And that's why they do 1748 01:47:04,890 --> 01:47:09,810 this. I was reading a similar. I was reading a similar affidavit 1749 01:47:09,810 --> 01:47:12,540 the other day, which I think also belongs in the cycle, but I 1750 01:47:12,540 --> 01:47:15,570 didn't, I didn't put it in the show notes because it had this 1751 01:47:15,570 --> 01:47:19,860 was a a pedophile network, they unraveled and do that to you and 1752 01:47:19,860 --> 01:47:22,980 they kept this one guy going with an undercover informant. 1753 01:47:23,400 --> 01:47:26,910 And now this Oh, no, this is the doctor pizza. This is the guy 1754 01:47:26,910 --> 01:47:27,270 who wrote 1755 01:47:27,270 --> 01:47:30,030 John C. Dvorak: for Ars Technica talking about a guy who's a 1756 01:47:30,030 --> 01:47:30,750 creep. 1757 01:47:31,200 --> 01:47:34,110 Adam Curry: So but if you read the transcript of him thinking 1758 01:47:34,110 --> 01:47:38,940 he's communicating with the mother, the mother of an 11 year 1759 01:47:38,940 --> 01:47:44,610 old, how stupid is this guy? On kink? De whatever the social, 1760 01:47:44,910 --> 01:47:48,210 John C. Dvorak: the kinky or something you're hurting? Yes, 1761 01:47:48,210 --> 01:47:49,170 gotta be a kick. 1762 01:47:49,679 --> 01:47:54,779 Adam Curry: And so the undercover informant, which is 1763 01:47:54,809 --> 01:47:59,489 in this case of an FBI agent, is talking about oh, yeah, you 1764 01:47:59,489 --> 01:48:02,279 know, my daughter could probably handle the tip. I mean, if 1765 01:48:02,309 --> 01:48:06,689 you're, how sick Are you that you're trying to be? That's it 1766 01:48:06,689 --> 01:48:09,479 actually, the first time in my life. I actually almost felt 1767 01:48:09,479 --> 01:48:12,419 physically sick. Just reading the FBI is doing that with these 1768 01:48:12,419 --> 01:48:14,759 people to entrap them. The guy. 1769 01:48:15,810 --> 01:48:18,090 John C. Dvorak: Yeah, it's just sick in a lot of different ways. 1770 01:48:18,090 --> 01:48:20,820 But you've got to see a video of this character. Oh, no. 1771 01:48:21,030 --> 01:48:22,440 Adam Curry: I've seen picture this guy. 1772 01:48:22,950 --> 01:48:26,670 John C. Dvorak: Oh, no pictures. Don't do him justice. You have 1773 01:48:26,670 --> 01:48:30,660 to see a video of him. He is. He is just like a stereotype. 1774 01:48:30,660 --> 01:48:35,910 Weirdo. Yeah, and he's like a tech reviewer. Yeah, geez. Well, 1775 01:48:35,910 --> 01:48:38,850 so yeah. Anyway, back way back to the other thing. I had to say 1776 01:48:38,850 --> 01:48:43,020 something about that clip. Yeah. So this guy wants to do suicide 1777 01:48:43,020 --> 01:48:45,480 bombings, who doesn't give a shit about the future? I mean, 1778 01:48:45,480 --> 01:48:48,900 he's obviously just a loser. That's easily cajoled into doing 1779 01:48:48,900 --> 01:48:55,470 this. You know, blowing up New York if he could. Yeah. So why 1780 01:48:55,500 --> 01:48:59,760 does he need to buy Glocks and have the serial number removed? 1781 01:49:01,950 --> 01:49:03,270 Adam Curry: Why Excellent point. 1782 01:49:04,770 --> 01:49:06,090 John C. Dvorak: What difference does it make 1783 01:49:06,180 --> 01:49:08,790 Adam Curry: if he's gonna if he's gonna go down in flames? 1784 01:49:09,300 --> 01:49:10,650 Yeah, I totally agree. 1785 01:49:11,730 --> 01:49:14,700 John C. Dvorak: So that they put that little bit in there to to I 1786 01:49:14,700 --> 01:49:18,240 think it was just thrown in to be like, Oh, that's how bad he 1787 01:49:18,240 --> 01:49:21,690 is. He's biting is also throws the gun argument all zero 1788 01:49:21,690 --> 01:49:24,480 numbers have been erased from the guns. Yeah, there's been a 1789 01:49:24,480 --> 01:49:32,850 lot of anti gun subtle and weird anti gun stuff going on. Discuss 1790 01:49:32,850 --> 01:49:35,340 this any further but I'm, I've noticed it. 1791 01:49:36,840 --> 01:49:39,420 Adam Curry: Alright, I have a couple of green New Deal clips 1792 01:49:39,420 --> 01:49:44,970 that are worthwhile. Okay. The first is a news. A new airline, 1793 01:49:45,030 --> 01:49:53,010 a new Swedish airline. Called bra vra. vra. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, 1794 01:49:53,040 --> 01:49:55,590 I know. You can make the jokes. Don't worry. The clip includes 1795 01:49:55,590 --> 01:50:01,080 the joke too. So it's bra and bra has a new Whoo class that 1796 01:50:01,080 --> 01:50:08,280 you can fly environment class. And I think that will this clip 1797 01:50:08,280 --> 01:50:12,450 is from a YouTuber who is an influencer. And he has the Harry 1798 01:50:12,450 --> 01:50:16,230 and David endorsements stuff. So I'm pretty sure they invite a 1799 01:50:16,230 --> 01:50:20,190 lot of influencers to take one of these flights on bra. So 1800 01:50:20,190 --> 01:50:24,780 hopefully they would talk about it. And so this kid, I think 1801 01:50:24,780 --> 01:50:28,440 he's Swedish. He's doing his little YouTube bit but just 1802 01:50:28,440 --> 01:50:32,130 listen to what he's selling and what brought indirectly is 1803 01:50:32,130 --> 01:50:34,470 selling and how people are falling for this 1804 01:50:35,040 --> 01:50:38,520 Unknown: airline is not only a flying bra, it also happens to 1805 01:50:38,520 --> 01:50:42,390 be the world's most eco conscious airline. We love a 1806 01:50:42,390 --> 01:50:46,710 sustainable draw. Today I booked a class I've never flown before 1807 01:50:46,710 --> 01:50:49,830 I've flown economy Premium Economy, business class and 1808 01:50:49,830 --> 01:50:53,400 first class. But today I'm flying environment class and I 1809 01:50:53,400 --> 01:50:57,270 know you're thinking Well, recently, the Swedish airline 1810 01:50:57,270 --> 01:51:00,630 brought launched a class called environment class, where you get 1811 01:51:00,630 --> 01:51:04,410 to fly on biofuel for about $30 Extra so the ticket to solve 1812 01:51:04,410 --> 01:51:08,160 them is already only about $50 for adults. And then you add 1813 01:51:08,160 --> 01:51:12,450 another $30 And you're flying on a fully climate compensated 1814 01:51:12,810 --> 01:51:15,000 sustainable by biofuel ticket 1815 01:51:15,060 --> 01:51:20,040 Adam Curry: and Okay, so, for 80% of the cost of the ticket 1816 01:51:20,040 --> 01:51:24,780 you add on from 50 euros you add on 30 euros, you're you are 1817 01:51:24,780 --> 01:51:28,860 convinced that you are now fully what do you call it climate 1818 01:51:28,860 --> 01:51:33,900 compensated climate compensated completely eco friendly 1819 01:51:34,050 --> 01:51:36,780 John C. Dvorak: they got to today to try and buy some what 1820 01:51:36,930 --> 01:51:38,430 this is a bullshit story 1821 01:51:38,460 --> 01:51:39,960 Adam Curry: well hold on we'll get to it. 1822 01:51:40,140 --> 01:51:44,040 Unknown: Climate compensated with sustainable biofuel ticket 1823 01:51:44,070 --> 01:51:46,410 and not only that, but the planet served by a propeller 1824 01:51:46,410 --> 01:51:48,510 plane to super environmentally friendly. 1825 01:51:51,120 --> 01:51:53,490 Adam Curry: I want you to know propeller plane is super 1826 01:51:53,490 --> 01:51:59,100 environmentally friendly. Listen brah propeller planes use the 1827 01:51:59,100 --> 01:52:03,060 same engine is it's a jet engine is just as propeller on the 1828 01:52:03,060 --> 01:52:05,730 outsides of the inside, not as much environmentally friendly. 1829 01:52:06,060 --> 01:52:09,330 Unknown: So with all those things combined, this is the 1830 01:52:09,480 --> 01:52:14,040 future of eco friendly domestic flying. And I'm so excited about 1831 01:52:14,040 --> 01:52:19,140 it, I do have a lot of anxiety about the environmental impact 1832 01:52:19,140 --> 01:52:22,830 my flying has, since the start of this year, I've climate 1833 01:52:22,830 --> 01:52:26,370 compensated all my trips, but it feels really good to be flying 1834 01:52:26,370 --> 01:52:29,910 an airline that actually goes even further. Even though bra 1835 01:52:29,910 --> 01:52:33,390 has a stupid name. They're doing something very, very well. And I 1836 01:52:33,390 --> 01:52:36,420 think it's nice that they give every passenger the option to 1837 01:52:36,510 --> 01:52:40,170 add the environment class to their ticket because it makes 1838 01:52:40,170 --> 01:52:42,600 people put their money where their mouth is, if you care 1839 01:52:42,600 --> 01:52:45,000 about the environment, but you still want the efficiency of 1840 01:52:45,000 --> 01:52:46,770 flying, you got to pay. 1841 01:52:47,400 --> 01:52:49,920 Adam Curry: So this is great because he's buying into it. And 1842 01:52:49,920 --> 01:52:54,300 I think a lot of young people will buy into this idea that oh, 1843 01:52:54,300 --> 01:52:57,810 if I can pay my way out of it, which is what we're being taught 1844 01:52:57,810 --> 01:53:00,150 with the Paris accord and everything you can pay your way 1845 01:53:00,150 --> 01:53:04,500 out of this problem. What you're doing is you are not solving 1846 01:53:04,500 --> 01:53:09,810 anything, you are literally purchasing a credit, the right 1847 01:53:09,990 --> 01:53:16,380 for this company, this Brock company to pollute to the degree 1848 01:53:16,860 --> 01:53:21,030 that you fly. So and I think you've probably overpaying for 1849 01:53:21,030 --> 01:53:24,210 that. But okay, so your ticket was 50 You're paying 30 to give 1850 01:53:24,210 --> 01:53:27,570 them a credit that allows them to pollute so you're not 1851 01:53:27,570 --> 01:53:31,020 stopping pollution, you're giving them a credit. This 1852 01:53:31,020 --> 01:53:36,210 credit is not something they pay for in full, it is tradable this 1853 01:53:36,210 --> 01:53:40,830 credit, you're giving them extra money, they can trade this, like 1854 01:53:40,830 --> 01:53:45,480 give them a like a share of stock or a foreign currency that 1855 01:53:45,480 --> 01:53:48,900 they can then use in other ways you're being ripped off and 1856 01:53:48,900 --> 01:53:52,500 you're believing that you're solving something and it's sad 1857 01:53:56,400 --> 01:53:59,580 Yes, I thought you said that you wanted to say something? I guess 1858 01:53:59,580 --> 01:53:59,880 not. 1859 01:54:00,030 --> 01:54:02,130 John C. Dvorak: Well, I was just looking at these various fuels. 1860 01:54:02,250 --> 01:54:05,700 Again, I tried to re familiarize myself with the fuels at these 1861 01:54:05,940 --> 01:54:09,390 turbo props which are name it's jet one a it's a shiny fusions 1862 01:54:09,390 --> 01:54:14,190 with well, they apparently some turbo props run out of gas to 1863 01:54:15,150 --> 01:54:21,570 Adam Curry: turbo. Well. Yeah. Okay. second clip. The 1864 01:54:21,600 --> 01:54:24,150 John C. Dvorak: guy by the way, a couple of things. Yeah, I just 1865 01:54:24,240 --> 01:54:29,220 stood out to me, is very weird. The first time I flew on any of 1866 01:54:29,220 --> 01:54:35,040 the Nordic air carriers, which was Icelandic. I noticed that 1867 01:54:35,040 --> 01:54:38,220 they had two classes as a service business, and then they 1868 01:54:38,220 --> 01:54:42,540 had the economy. And then I think I've flown on fin air and 1869 01:54:42,540 --> 01:54:45,810 they'd say, you have the same kind of situation they do not 1870 01:54:45,810 --> 01:54:49,350 have first classes. Now these know more errors. And I asked 1871 01:54:49,350 --> 01:54:52,920 about this, and they said we as a culture we do not believe 1872 01:54:52,920 --> 01:54:57,330 there is such a thing as a first class. We're not a classes 1873 01:54:57,330 --> 01:55:01,740 society, and in fact, the Swedes above all are a egalitarian ins, 1874 01:55:02,070 --> 01:55:03,840 which is one of the reasons they're having so much trouble 1875 01:55:03,840 --> 01:55:06,750 with their migrants because they believe that as a egalitarian, 1876 01:55:06,750 --> 01:55:10,200 is everyone's equal, and you know, so that's why they all 1877 01:55:10,200 --> 01:55:12,600 stories about you should read everyone. If you go to Sweden, 1878 01:55:12,600 --> 01:55:16,020 you should definitely read one of the sociology books or 1879 01:55:17,010 --> 01:55:19,860 cultural anthropology books about wheat, so you have a 1880 01:55:19,860 --> 01:55:23,370 feeling for what it's like, and they don't they just like the 1881 01:55:23,370 --> 01:55:26,580 ideas that the boss gets the coffee for the Secretary more 1882 01:55:26,580 --> 01:55:30,390 often than not. And it's great when I heard this the disk 1883 01:55:30,540 --> 01:55:33,750 operation as a first class is what he said. Yeah, this is 1884 01:55:33,750 --> 01:55:34,530 bullcrap. 1885 01:55:35,730 --> 01:55:38,190 Adam Curry: Environmental class. He didn't say it had a first 1886 01:55:38,190 --> 01:55:41,220 class. He said there was a first class now he said he's flown 1887 01:55:41,250 --> 01:55:43,440 first class. Oh, okay. 1888 01:55:43,440 --> 01:55:47,430 John C. Dvorak: So he wasn't the Swedes, okay? jumped out at me. 1889 01:55:47,460 --> 01:55:51,180 Adam Curry: That's all right. So there's a, an outfit that is 1890 01:55:51,180 --> 01:55:54,720 promoting. It's all a part of the same former Bernie bro 1891 01:55:54,720 --> 01:56:00,240 people is promoting the green New Deal. And this outfit is 1892 01:56:00,240 --> 01:56:06,570 called new consensus. And they seem to be in business, only to 1893 01:56:06,570 --> 01:56:10,950 promote the green New Deal. So this is an ally of Alexandria, 1894 01:56:10,980 --> 01:56:16,020 Ocasio Cortes, and whoever else sponsored the resolution, which 1895 01:56:16,110 --> 01:56:23,280 did not get passed. But she was interviewed recently. Yet I just 1896 01:56:23,280 --> 01:56:26,670 thought that her numbers were interesting. Now we we've heard 1897 01:56:27,090 --> 01:56:31,710 the Alexandria Ocasio Cortes say that this is our World War Two, 1898 01:56:31,950 --> 01:56:34,860 within 12 years, it's not gonna matter. She's walked that back 1899 01:56:34,860 --> 01:56:37,950 saying you have to be stupid, not understand that was a joke, 1900 01:56:37,950 --> 01:56:45,090 or whatever it was. So here is the to the kids here is Rihanna 1901 01:56:45,150 --> 01:56:49,410 gun. Right. And she is the Policy Director of new 1902 01:56:49,410 --> 01:56:50,220 consensus. 1903 01:56:50,730 --> 01:56:56,250 John C. Dvorak: A CNN SSRS poll indicates that 82% of Democrats 1904 01:56:56,250 --> 01:57:02,460 say that aggressive action on climate change is necessary. How 1905 01:57:02,460 --> 01:57:04,860 do you get this? I mean, there's so many things if you talk to 1906 01:57:04,920 --> 01:57:07,200 voters out there, and there's so many things are concerned about 1907 01:57:07,200 --> 01:57:13,050 right now. Health care and gun violence and immigration. And 1908 01:57:13,050 --> 01:57:16,620 the economy. Climate change is obviously up there. And it's 1909 01:57:16,830 --> 01:57:20,490 often number 123 or four. But how do you make the argument 1910 01:57:20,490 --> 01:57:23,730 that it needs a separate discussion? Why Why not health 1911 01:57:23,730 --> 01:57:28,350 care? So in the issues that you just brought up, climate change 1912 01:57:28,560 --> 01:57:31,920 is one of the main drivers of our public health. So the 1913 01:57:31,920 --> 01:57:37,530 difference between, say 1.5 degrees of warming, which is the 1914 01:57:37,530 --> 01:57:41,190 least that folks think that we can get to two, you're talking 1915 01:57:41,190 --> 01:57:45,930 about 150 million deaths, that's 25. Holocaust. Right. So how is 1916 01:57:45,930 --> 01:57:48,750 that not a health issue? How is that not about health care? 1917 01:57:49,410 --> 01:57:56,160 Adam Curry: Oh, baby, I love it. 25, Holocaust 400,000 Hiroshima 1918 01:57:56,160 --> 01:57:58,230 bombs. It's crazy, right? 1919 01:57:58,230 --> 01:58:00,330 Unknown: We're talking about immigration, climate change is 1920 01:58:00,330 --> 01:58:04,380 gonna bring hundreds and millions of, of climate migrants 1921 01:58:04,380 --> 01:58:08,340 and climate refugees both from outside the US and inside the 1922 01:58:08,340 --> 01:58:11,820 US, as you see people move. So even the issues that you 1923 01:58:11,820 --> 01:58:14,820 outline, all of them are affected by climate change, and 1924 01:58:14,820 --> 01:58:18,090 how you decide to deal with climate is how you decide to 1925 01:58:18,090 --> 01:58:19,140 deal with all of these other 1926 01:58:19,140 --> 01:58:22,440 Adam Curry: issues. 25 Holocaust, John, we have a new 1927 01:58:22,440 --> 01:58:26,490 peg on the board. 25 holocausts, that's what it's going to be. 1928 01:58:26,490 --> 01:58:29,580 Let's see if this meme gets anything that goes anywhere, 1929 01:58:29,580 --> 01:58:33,210 right? She would say, Right. Right. Now let's go to some 1930 01:58:33,210 --> 01:58:37,110 serious news because we've obviously been playing a YouTube 1931 01:58:37,110 --> 01:58:42,060 clip. This was a CNN clip. Now let's go to NPR. NPR is very 1932 01:58:42,060 --> 01:58:46,260 serious. And they always like to bring in people who are know a 1933 01:58:46,260 --> 01:58:50,640 lot about climate. They know a lot about science. And in this 1934 01:58:50,640 --> 01:58:55,500 case, let's talk about climate. And Well really, the question 1935 01:58:55,500 --> 01:59:01,440 is, is climate affecting mental health? You got to listen 1936 01:59:01,440 --> 01:59:06,210 closely to this the kicker's at the end. But here is NPR climate 1937 01:59:06,210 --> 01:59:09,060 Unknown: change is having a big impact on human health and 1938 01:59:09,060 --> 01:59:12,150 mental health specifically, that's the bottom line of a new 1939 01:59:12,150 --> 01:59:15,630 report from 27 European Academies of Science. But 1940 01:59:15,630 --> 01:59:18,360 exactly how something as big as the climate crisis affects 1941 01:59:18,360 --> 01:59:21,720 mental health is a question that Helen berry wrestles with every 1942 01:59:21,720 --> 01:59:25,710 day. She's a psychiatric epidemiologist, and a professor 1943 01:59:25,710 --> 01:59:28,170 of climate change and Mental Health at the University of 1944 01:59:28,170 --> 01:59:32,040 Sydney in Australia. Professor it seems almost intuitive that 1945 01:59:32,040 --> 01:59:34,710 climate change could affect our mental health. But is there 1946 01:59:34,710 --> 01:59:36,300 actual evidence that that's true? 1947 01:59:37,410 --> 01:59:41,340 So the short answer is yes, of course. And the long answer is, 1948 01:59:41,550 --> 01:59:45,660 no. It's incredibly difficult to do this kind of work, partly 1949 01:59:45,660 --> 01:59:48,240 because climate systems themselves are extremely 1950 01:59:48,240 --> 01:59:52,590 complex. And partly because mental health is also extremely 1951 01:59:52,590 --> 01:59:56,070 complex and bringing those together makes a very huge and 1952 01:59:56,070 --> 01:59:59,010 difficult puzzle, but I think it's really important to apply 1953 01:59:59,010 --> 02:00:01,560 some common sense Hear, which is what you implied in your 1954 02:00:01,560 --> 02:00:07,380 question. And also to understand how we can go about approaching 1955 02:00:07,380 --> 02:00:09,390 this problem so we can eventually get the scientific 1956 02:00:09,390 --> 02:00:10,500 answers that we want. 1957 02:00:11,250 --> 02:00:14,880 Adam Curry: Won't. Did you just understand what she actually 1958 02:00:14,880 --> 02:00:15,450 said there? 1959 02:00:16,740 --> 02:00:18,750 John C. Dvorak: Yeah, she says that though we got to do 1960 02:00:18,750 --> 02:00:22,080 approach this to so we get the answers that we want. Yes, 1961 02:00:22,140 --> 02:00:23,640 Adam Curry: she's a scientist. 1962 02:00:24,660 --> 02:00:26,760 John C. Dvorak: Yeah. Well, that's what the client, that's 1963 02:00:26,760 --> 02:00:29,550 the whole climate model. The whole climate change argument is 1964 02:00:29,550 --> 02:00:33,630 based on these dubious and everybody knows is dubious 1965 02:00:34,950 --> 02:00:38,040 computer models, and you keep tweaking them till you get the 1966 02:00:38,040 --> 02:00:41,850 answers that you want. It applies as what's so obvious, as 1967 02:00:41,850 --> 02:00:43,350 you just said it, I just want to hear it. 1968 02:00:43,380 --> 02:00:46,080 Unknown: Yeah. Important to apply some common sense here, 1969 02:00:46,080 --> 02:00:49,350 which is what you implied in your question. And also to 1970 02:00:49,350 --> 02:00:53,940 understand how we can go about approaching this problem so we 1971 02:00:53,940 --> 02:00:56,340 can eventually get the scientific answers that we want. 1972 02:00:56,849 --> 02:00:58,739 Adam Curry: Oh, my God, because she first she says, Yeah, of 1973 02:00:58,739 --> 02:01:01,019 course. Of course it affects your mental health. Now we got 1974 02:01:01,019 --> 02:01:04,469 to back it into something so we can prove it with the answers we 1975 02:01:04,469 --> 02:01:05,069 want. 1976 02:01:06,450 --> 02:01:09,810 John C. Dvorak: This is the science community, but 2019 1977 02:01:09,840 --> 02:01:15,210 Hello, 97% of all comers die. So 97% of everybody in the world is 1978 02:01:15,600 --> 02:01:16,680 on board with this. 1979 02:01:18,780 --> 02:01:20,760 Adam Curry: It's it's kind of frightening. 1980 02:01:21,960 --> 02:01:24,870 John C. Dvorak: Well, Jay Inslee is on board. He's the guy. He's 1981 02:01:24,870 --> 02:01:28,650 the single issue Democrat who's not even on my list of the 1982 02:01:28,650 --> 02:01:33,210 contenders memo, because he's just a phony. But he's the 1983 02:01:33,210 --> 02:01:37,860 governor of Washington State. And his whole thing is one issue 1984 02:01:37,860 --> 02:01:40,920 candidate. And his issue is that we're all gonna die tomorrow. If 1985 02:01:40,920 --> 02:01:43,560 it's if we don't do something about climate change, and that's 1986 02:01:43,560 --> 02:01:47,550 all he cares about period. And now he's irked because the 1987 02:01:47,550 --> 02:01:50,610 Democratic National Committee is now going to do a special debate 1988 02:01:50,640 --> 02:01:54,780 on climate change. And so they apparently thought this guy's 1989 02:01:54,780 --> 02:01:59,910 such a lunatic that they said if you even do a debate on climate 1990 02:01:59,910 --> 02:02:03,720 change outside of the DEM NC parameters, you're banned. 1991 02:02:04,260 --> 02:02:07,710 Unknown: Washington governor and 20 presidential hopefuls jay 1992 02:02:07,710 --> 02:02:10,980 Inslee says the Democratic National Committee is refusing 1993 02:02:10,980 --> 02:02:14,430 to schedule a candidate debate on the climate crisis. Inslee 1994 02:02:14,430 --> 02:02:17,970 said Thursday, he was told by the DNC that if he participates 1995 02:02:17,970 --> 02:02:21,600 in any non DNC affiliated debate on the climate, he would be 1996 02:02:21,600 --> 02:02:25,950 disinvited to future debates held by the DNC instantly called 1997 02:02:25,950 --> 02:02:29,400 the move a deeply disappointing attempt to blacklist candidates. 1998 02:02:29,490 --> 02:02:33,450 He said in a statement, quote, The DNC is silencing the voices 1999 02:02:33,450 --> 02:02:36,390 of democratic activists, many of our progressive partner 2000 02:02:36,390 --> 02:02:39,540 organizations and nearly half the Democratic presidential 2001 02:02:39,540 --> 02:02:43,230 field to want to debate the existential crisis of our time 2002 02:02:43,230 --> 02:02:44,190 and slay said, 2003 02:02:44,610 --> 02:02:46,500 Adam Curry: Oh, that's interesting. So who is actually 2004 02:02:46,620 --> 02:02:49,710 stopping this debate? The DNC, the 2005 02:02:50,220 --> 02:02:53,940 John C. Dvorak: DNC, the whoever's running is just forget 2006 02:02:53,940 --> 02:02:57,450 that. They have a little committee and they said, No, we 2007 02:02:57,450 --> 02:03:00,630 can't do this. We de are orchestrating everything. And 2008 02:03:00,630 --> 02:03:04,020 they see this as like a some sort of a side show that's going 2009 02:03:04,020 --> 02:03:08,160 to be mocked by the Republicans, and then the independents out 2010 02:03:08,160 --> 02:03:11,340 there. And they know what why they can't do it. This guy's too 2011 02:03:11,340 --> 02:03:14,850 dumb to see, because he's seriously thinks that this is 2012 02:03:15,570 --> 02:03:17,550 the topic of the day 2013 02:03:17,580 --> 02:03:22,350 Adam Curry: winning issue. Have you? Have you been following it 2014 02:03:22,350 --> 02:03:24,960 was what we had Iowa this weekend, I guess everyone, 2015 02:03:25,080 --> 02:03:27,750 because we have we have the first debates the Demick for the 2016 02:03:27,750 --> 02:03:31,650 Democratic primary, which is how the Democratic Party will choose 2017 02:03:31,650 --> 02:03:38,040 their a candidate to run against presumably, Trump makes sense. 2018 02:03:39,030 --> 02:03:44,700 So the debates start end of this month, I think 24th or 27th at 2019 02:03:44,700 --> 02:03:46,950 the end of the month now, so people are ramping up getting 2020 02:03:46,950 --> 02:03:53,070 ready to wait two days, two days of debates. I guess since the 2021 02:03:53,070 --> 02:03:57,450 weekend where everyone was there is some kind of thing in iOS and 2022 02:03:57,450 --> 02:04:01,050 democratic who house lock and lock and dingdong that everyone 2023 02:04:01,050 --> 02:04:01,770 knows they're free 2024 02:04:02,010 --> 02:04:05,190 John C. Dvorak: for the Iowa caucuses. Credit primaries, 2025 02:04:05,190 --> 02:04:10,650 which is next year. It's not to go in there just to brown nose 2026 02:04:10,650 --> 02:04:11,070 to public 2027 02:04:11,100 --> 02:04:13,440 Adam Curry: when when does that actually happened? When When did 2028 02:04:13,440 --> 02:04:17,970 the one of the actual primaries take place is that next year is 2029 02:04:17,970 --> 02:04:22,440 not even this year? Next year? She's so there's plenty of time 2030 02:04:22,440 --> 02:04:24,150 for Stacey Abrams to still get in? 2031 02:04:24,900 --> 02:04:28,410 John C. Dvorak: Yes, you have your your prediction? Yeah, good 2032 02:04:28,410 --> 02:04:35,190 to go for at least, I'd say a month. And even though there's a 2033 02:04:35,190 --> 02:04:40,560 year to go, I don't. That's your prediction, not mine. Well, I 2034 02:04:40,560 --> 02:04:42,900 believe that the first debates are important for one other 2035 02:04:42,900 --> 02:04:45,750 reason, which is to get this really 2036 02:04:45,870 --> 02:04:48,660 Adam Curry: great comedy, it's for comedy is 2037 02:04:49,470 --> 02:04:51,060 John C. Dvorak: gonna be some funny stuff, but it's gonna be 2038 02:04:51,060 --> 02:04:52,170 kind of stage. It's gonna 2039 02:04:52,170 --> 02:04:54,810 Adam Curry: be staid. If that'll be funny for us, and we'd like 2040 02:04:54,810 --> 02:04:55,170 that. 2041 02:04:55,590 --> 02:04:58,650 John C. Dvorak: It's going to bring out of losers and the 2042 02:04:58,650 --> 02:05:01,530 winners is going to make the pitch A little more clear and it 2043 02:05:01,530 --> 02:05:07,470 should trigger Hillary jumping in because she's good to see 2044 02:05:07,470 --> 02:05:10,110 then well look at these losers that are sucked. They're not 2045 02:05:10,110 --> 02:05:12,960 gonna beat Trump I already beat him was that so that put me back 2046 02:05:15,870 --> 02:05:18,570 Adam Curry: I can just see Bill sitting at home right now like, 2047 02:05:19,020 --> 02:05:22,020 holy crap, man I really miss I'd really dodged the bullet once 2048 02:05:22,020 --> 02:05:27,330 again. She she asked her brother who knows what the sympathy vote 2049 02:05:27,330 --> 02:05:27,960 is gonna do? 2050 02:05:28,590 --> 02:05:31,380 Unknown: I'm gonna show my mood by donating to no agenda 2051 02:05:31,440 --> 02:05:34,560 Imagine all the people who could do that. Oh yeah, that'd be fun 2052 02:05:42,000 --> 02:05:45,420 John C. Dvorak: Well, I do have a few people to thank a very few 2053 02:05:45,810 --> 02:05:51,270 starting with David and Pat pate or pad pa te $100 for 2054 02:05:51,270 --> 02:05:56,010 Adam Curry: potty you never know. Can be potty potty. 2055 02:05:57,960 --> 02:06:00,150 John C. Dvorak: So John Knowles comes in second ed for us, the 2056 02:06:00,150 --> 02:06:04,380 bear in Murfreesboro in Tennessee. 808 comes in with the 2057 02:06:04,380 --> 02:06:09,180 boob Brad writer 6969 We did have a little promotion for 69 2058 02:06:09,180 --> 02:06:13,380 Yeah, hold on a second. 6916 I did. 2059 02:06:13,560 --> 02:06:14,490 Adam Curry: This was 2060 02:06:14,670 --> 02:06:18,060 John C. Dvorak: one thing was exactly that. It was the 6969 2061 02:06:18,150 --> 02:06:19,020 dudes 2062 02:06:19,080 --> 02:06:24,540 Adam Curry: and it was a big, big, big thing for years. years. 2063 02:06:24,780 --> 02:06:28,530 And we and people would always request to 6969 Suazo enough 2064 02:06:28,530 --> 02:06:34,170 karma and we said the minute it stops when no one does the 69 2065 02:06:34,170 --> 02:06:37,950 donation we're retiring the whole segment. And it took years 2066 02:06:38,970 --> 02:06:42,750 until it did finally go away but we're bringing it back just for 2067 02:06:42,750 --> 02:06:45,660 today 6969 2068 02:06:47,910 --> 02:06:50,790 John C. Dvorak: This is because we had a dame in Germany who was 2069 02:06:50,790 --> 02:06:54,420 a runner, long distance runner and she kind of triggered the 2070 02:06:54,420 --> 02:06:56,550 whole thing and then she went overboard and that was 2071 02:06:56,700 --> 02:06:59,340 Adam Curry: what she had to teach. You have no agenda on her 2072 02:06:59,340 --> 02:06:59,760 but 2073 02:07:00,150 --> 02:07:02,730 John C. Dvorak: yes, she had no agenda on her but yeah, it's 2074 02:07:02,730 --> 02:07:08,700 great running but yeah running but Brad writer Gregory Warlick 2075 02:07:08,700 --> 02:07:14,760 comes in with the same amount Kenneth Lieberman Jr. William 2076 02:07:14,790 --> 02:07:21,180 geskin seems nice. He said it's not that many factors 12345689 2077 02:07:21,180 --> 02:07:23,970 Even 10 Josh Moser 2078 02:07:24,090 --> 02:07:26,190 Adam Curry: just since we're here my eyes will read a 2079 02:07:26,190 --> 02:07:30,840 dedicated Oh decided to donate for the six nine show as a 2080 02:07:30,840 --> 02:07:34,350 birthday gift to myself as I turned not 33 But the other man 2081 02:07:34,350 --> 02:07:37,170 magic number 42 on show day That's right, the answer to all 2082 02:07:37,170 --> 02:07:39,750 questions in the universe. Thanks for all you do and keep 2083 02:07:39,750 --> 02:07:42,450 our collective amygdala small in spite of all the outrage 2084 02:07:42,450 --> 02:07:45,300 addiction that permeates our culture these days. Looking 2085 02:07:45,300 --> 02:07:48,150 forward to the next meetup in the Des Moines area. When y'all 2086 02:07:48,150 --> 02:07:50,670 come through with this we much thank you very much Josh. 2087 02:07:51,630 --> 02:07:54,180 John C. Dvorak: Robert Marsh comes in 16 as he's nicer Jim 2088 02:07:54,180 --> 02:07:56,820 Zookal we haven't heard from him for a while just forgotten Nate 2089 02:07:56,850 --> 02:08:01,980 Sebastopol, six United States and that's the end of it. 16 2090 02:08:01,980 --> 02:08:09,240 Nine there was Heather Rodriguez came with a flat 69 Just 69 2091 02:08:10,410 --> 02:08:13,140 She's got a note for you about something she's in Stockton. 2092 02:08:13,500 --> 02:08:17,940 Cory Ainsworth's $69 Bear and Mark Tanner with these normal 2093 02:08:17,940 --> 02:08:24,090 6789 Twice a month. Brian Pearson 6666 Thomas Miller 5555 2094 02:08:24,090 --> 02:08:28,650 in Naperville great job he says sir Ryan in Aspinwall, 2095 02:08:29,490 --> 02:08:34,470 Pennsylvania Sir Tom Dari and DeForest Wisconsin, Tara Reese 2096 02:08:34,500 --> 02:08:38,340 in Urbana, Illinois, Michael Barco in Salem, Oregon, Luke 2097 02:08:38,340 --> 02:08:42,570 barn and he's I'm sorry, missing these 50 Struggling to go back 2098 02:08:42,570 --> 02:08:47,010 out. So Ryan is 5510 Thomas Miller is 5555 They're at Tom 2099 02:08:47,010 --> 02:08:53,100 Daria was 5510 Tara Reese is 5042 Michael Barco is 5030 Luke 2100 02:08:53,100 --> 02:08:55,770 Barnes 5030 Not sure where that comes from. 2101 02:08:55,800 --> 02:08:59,130 Adam Curry: Luke says I'm a broke college student. He says 2102 02:08:59,160 --> 02:09:02,760 I'm a broke college student and still have the money to donate 2103 02:09:02,760 --> 02:09:06,630 and I also hit my whole class in the mouth this last term. No 2104 02:09:06,630 --> 02:09:09,750 agenda needs you dear listeners. Thank you very much, Luke. 2105 02:09:10,620 --> 02:09:14,640 John C. Dvorak: Yes, good. Good work. Baronet sir economic 2106 02:09:15,000 --> 02:09:21,360 hitman in Houston 5001 Tony Smith 50 DREW mo check 50s and 2107 02:09:21,360 --> 02:09:26,250 Elsa Rito. These are all $50 donors with Alison Lynn lid 2108 02:09:26,490 --> 02:09:30,450 Linda Nour Maxine Waters gravels back 2109 02:09:31,019 --> 02:09:34,529 Adam Curry: apologies for being Mia gravel shortage in DC I've 2110 02:09:34,529 --> 02:09:37,709 been working ot for Maxine really irked I had to fill in 2111 02:09:37,709 --> 02:09:41,639 for Nadler what a douchebag cheers Maxine Waters gravel 2112 02:09:42,569 --> 02:09:45,119 which has its own Twitter account 2113 02:09:45,630 --> 02:09:47,850 John C. Dvorak: yes it does. It has his own Twitter account it 2114 02:09:47,850 --> 02:09:50,490 donates to the show is going to be knighted eventually. Or 2115 02:09:50,490 --> 02:09:55,500 damned whatever it is, whatever, but Zurich in Memphis, Tennessee 2116 02:09:55,500 --> 02:10:00,870 Jonathan Meyer and Xenia, Ohio Jacob Langley and at Add Derrick 2117 02:10:01,320 --> 02:10:06,030 Edwardsville. Georgia. Larry Hey in Mooresville, North Carolina 2118 02:10:06,030 --> 02:10:10,590 sir Brett Farrell in OKC sir adjacent illusio and Chadds 2119 02:10:10,590 --> 02:10:13,440 Ford, Pennsylvania and last but not least are Kyle Meyer in 2120 02:10:13,470 --> 02:10:16,260 Atlanta, Georgia want to thank all these folks for contributing 2121 02:10:16,680 --> 02:10:22,260 to show level 45 And hopefully we have a little better showing 2122 02:10:22,740 --> 02:10:26,880 on Thursday, please, and take it. Yes. Heather 2123 02:10:26,880 --> 02:10:29,700 Adam Curry: Rodriguez did write a note which I wanted to share. 2124 02:10:30,180 --> 02:10:35,370 She says I'd need road trip karma and a de douching. You've 2125 02:10:35,370 --> 02:10:38,970 been de Deus. I headed up to Washington from my great 2126 02:10:38,970 --> 02:10:43,410 grandparents internment on June 17. What would be their 69th 2127 02:10:43,410 --> 02:10:49,080 wedding anniversary? Wow. Oh, hold on a second. I got 2128 02:10:49,080 --> 02:10:52,410 something for them. For Oh see, for it would have been there 2129 02:10:52,410 --> 02:10:58,740 69th wedding anniversary. Thanks, Tina nine. My great 2130 02:10:58,740 --> 02:11:02,640 grandpa was a chief petty officer during the Korean War. 2131 02:11:02,640 --> 02:11:05,940 My great grandmother raised six kids, which means lots of aunts, 2132 02:11:05,940 --> 02:11:08,910 uncles, cousins, nephews and nieces to celebrate their lives 2133 02:11:08,910 --> 02:11:12,030 live. They opted to be cremated and their ashes mixed. It should 2134 02:11:12,030 --> 02:11:15,180 be a beautiful ceremony with a color guard to send them off. So 2135 02:11:16,110 --> 02:11:18,870 just wanted to make sure we share that one. And thank 2136 02:11:18,870 --> 02:11:22,320 everybody thanks everybody who came in under $50. This is 2137 02:11:22,320 --> 02:11:25,620 usually for reasons of anonymity but we do have a number of 2138 02:11:25,620 --> 02:11:28,800 subscriptions we'd like you to check out and you can see we 2139 02:11:28,800 --> 02:11:31,650 have a knighting coming up in just a minute from a 20 month 2140 02:11:31,650 --> 02:11:35,520 lay away night. It is possible to get up at that roundtable for 2141 02:11:35,550 --> 02:11:41,970 anybody. You just need to check it out a divorce.org/na and also 2142 02:11:41,970 --> 02:11:44,160 of course thanks to our executive producers all of you 2143 02:11:44,160 --> 02:11:47,070 participating in the grand experiment known as the value 2144 02:11:47,070 --> 02:11:48,390 for value network 2145 02:11:48,480 --> 02:11:51,600 Unknown: vorak.org/n. 2146 02:11:51,660 --> 02:11:54,840 Adam Curry: A as requested a couple of karmas jobs, 2147 02:11:54,990 --> 02:11:59,130 Unknown: jobs, jobs and jobs let's go for jobs. 2148 02:12:10,770 --> 02:12:16,380 Adam Curry: Today is indeed the ninth of June 2019. Let me bring 2149 02:12:16,380 --> 02:12:19,500 up my notes here for a second is I have our birthday list is not 2150 02:12:19,500 --> 02:12:24,330 too long. Bobby Carell, or Korea I should say celebrates his 2151 02:12:24,360 --> 02:12:27,990 birthday today. Justin besets. His Happy Birthday to his wife 2152 02:12:27,990 --> 02:12:31,620 Tiffany Fiedler. She also celebrating two day Josh Moser 2153 02:12:31,620 --> 02:12:35,130 33 tomorrow on the night, as well as Cory Eames worth 2154 02:12:35,130 --> 02:12:37,740 celebrating tomorrow June 9, happy birthday from everybody 2155 02:12:37,740 --> 02:12:42,270 here the best podcast in the universe. Take a look at our 2156 02:12:42,270 --> 02:12:45,630 meetups jingo for the meetups. First, a report from the 2157 02:12:45,630 --> 02:12:48,660 Oklahoma City meetup quick note from Derek B. The meetup went 2158 02:12:48,660 --> 02:12:52,560 very well small but quality group of folks. We had almost no 2159 02:12:52,560 --> 02:12:57,390 lack of conversation for four hours. This is what's great 2160 02:12:57,390 --> 02:12:58,410 about these meetups. I 2161 02:12:58,410 --> 02:13:00,240 John C. Dvorak: have a report from the Pittsburgh meetup and 2162 02:13:00,240 --> 02:13:02,310 Adam Curry: let me finish this Cassidy is going to send the 2163 02:13:02,310 --> 02:13:05,970 pictures a donation and a note. It probably won't be for 2164 02:13:05,970 --> 02:13:08,610 tomorrow show but I'm leaving the honors to her if she wanted 2165 02:13:08,610 --> 02:13:11,280 to do this. She and Zack were also at the Austin meetup. Yes, 2166 02:13:11,280 --> 02:13:13,800 I remember. There were five people who emailed us that they 2167 02:13:13,800 --> 02:13:16,530 were coming who didn't show but the weather today was just 2168 02:13:16,530 --> 02:13:19,290 phenomenal at Griese, no wind. I rode my motorcycle to the 2169 02:13:19,290 --> 02:13:22,020 meetup. A lot of people might have opted for other outdoor 2170 02:13:22,020 --> 02:13:25,350 activities. And I made the mistake of having on the same 2171 02:13:25,350 --> 02:13:29,880 day as sooner con, which is Oklahoma's Comic Con and we lost 2172 02:13:29,880 --> 02:13:32,970 at least one person to that. But everybody thanked me profusely 2173 02:13:32,970 --> 02:13:35,520 for setting it up. And we're very, very happy to be there. I 2174 02:13:35,520 --> 02:13:37,740 think the ones who didn't come really missed out hopefully they 2175 02:13:37,740 --> 02:13:39,690 can make it next time. Thanks for making it possible. No, 2176 02:13:39,690 --> 02:13:42,420 thank you, Derek and everyone who was there at the Oklahoma 2177 02:13:42,420 --> 02:13:46,320 City meetup and it's a great way to get together with people who 2178 02:13:46,320 --> 02:13:49,620 you already have a connection with inside jokes and no 2179 02:13:49,620 --> 02:13:51,210 triggering it's perfect. 2180 02:13:52,890 --> 02:13:58,170 John C. Dvorak: Got a note from the Pittsburgh meetup with some 2181 02:13:58,170 --> 02:14:05,070 money Oh, no Patterson Joel Eric sir Ryan with 5510 Chris and Jen 2182 02:14:05,100 --> 02:14:07,770 Happy Birthday to someone him 2183 02:14:07,800 --> 02:14:10,800 Adam Curry: I think they did a collection at the meetup. Yeah, 2184 02:14:10,830 --> 02:14:12,180 John C. Dvorak: it's the first time we've seen that. That's 2185 02:14:12,180 --> 02:14:16,440 fantastic. Thank you. So it was a check we've included in there 2186 02:14:16,710 --> 02:14:22,920 the I guess there's a birthday card but this note is very nice 2187 02:14:22,920 --> 02:14:25,230 to be a little more detailed. So in the future people are going 2188 02:14:25,230 --> 02:14:28,350 to send this stuff in below more. Because we could probably 2189 02:14:28,410 --> 02:14:34,440 put I guess it would be Chris. onto the list for birthdays but 2190 02:14:34,440 --> 02:14:35,940 I don't have any details. I can't do 2191 02:14:35,940 --> 02:14:38,430 Adam Curry: it. Okay, so more details when you send in the 2192 02:14:38,430 --> 02:14:41,610 reports. Thank you and I will be doing the details the reporting 2193 02:14:42,300 --> 02:14:46,470 for the June 12 London meetup that will be on Wednesday Tina 2194 02:14:46,470 --> 02:14:49,890 the keeper and I flying in early on Wednesday morning. Six 2195 02:14:49,890 --> 02:14:52,770 o'clock we'll have the meetup check out no agenda meetups.com 2196 02:14:52,770 --> 02:14:56,520 for the exact location and time six o'clock on the 15th we will 2197 02:14:56,520 --> 02:14:59,370 not be there but there's a meetup in Copenhagen July 4 2198 02:14:59,370 --> 02:15:02,430 Seattle wash Come to the ninth of July Knoxville, Tennessee 2199 02:15:02,430 --> 02:15:05,940 that's going to be a blowout no doubt, July 13, Atlanta Georgia 2200 02:15:05,940 --> 02:15:09,420 that light July 20 southwest London. I don't know how 2201 02:15:09,420 --> 02:15:12,840 southwest it is I gotta look but again no agenda meetups.com is 2202 02:15:12,840 --> 02:15:17,970 where everyone can find out where the meetup is where you 2203 02:15:17,970 --> 02:15:22,380 need to go or start one yourself July 20. Also Buffalo New York. 2204 02:15:23,070 --> 02:15:29,520 So check that out. It's a great great thing to be a part of. I 2205 02:15:29,520 --> 02:15:32,130 wish I could do a lot more and once we're back from this 2206 02:15:32,700 --> 02:15:38,280 honeymoon, which is going to be very short and I'll be working 2207 02:15:38,280 --> 02:15:45,450 during the honeymoon it wasn't my intent but I guess we should 2208 02:15:45,450 --> 02:15:48,660 just keep on going. make so much sense for all the stuff that's 2209 02:15:48,660 --> 02:15:53,940 happening what was I gonna say? I completely lost the plot. Oh, 2210 02:15:53,970 --> 02:15:55,110 it doesn't matter. Let's do this. 2211 02:15:56,550 --> 02:16:02,100 Unknown: Don't gather around douchebag producer The answer is 2212 02:16:02,100 --> 02:16:07,320 we are thank y'all brothers and sisters who gave and some of 2213 02:16:07,320 --> 02:16:12,960 them night. Some of them day. Oh the title. 2214 02:16:15,600 --> 02:16:18,390 Adam Curry: Yes, we have one title change today we find that 2215 02:16:18,390 --> 02:16:20,910 very important. Certainly for the peerage committee when 2216 02:16:20,910 --> 02:16:22,740 things do change. You can find that at 2217 02:16:22,770 --> 02:16:27,990 divorcecourt.org/peerage.htm Sir Mike Mugler today become sir 2218 02:16:27,990 --> 02:16:33,120 anthrax failed vaccine tester. And we thank him for his courage 2219 02:16:33,150 --> 02:16:36,780 and supporting the show continuously. Then we have a 2220 02:16:36,780 --> 02:16:44,010 ones so we have two daemons and one knighting. So the women are 2221 02:16:44,970 --> 02:16:49,650 outnumber the men today, we got to have that special blade. You 2222 02:16:49,650 --> 02:16:54,660 know the ones up here on the stage, please. Next, the 2223 02:16:54,660 --> 02:16:58,770 roundtable, Lisa donner, Isabelle Pearson And Todd Moore. 2224 02:16:58,770 --> 02:17:01,020 The three of you have supported the no agenda show the best 2225 02:17:01,020 --> 02:17:04,710 podcast and university amount of $1,000 or more, we could not be 2226 02:17:04,710 --> 02:17:07,440 more thankful. In fact, we like to thank you by putting you 2227 02:17:07,440 --> 02:17:09,930 right here at the roundtable of the Knights in the James ruins 2228 02:17:09,930 --> 02:17:14,430 and therefore, I'm very proud to pronounce the name Lisa donner, 2229 02:17:14,640 --> 02:17:18,900 Dame Isabel Pearson and Sir white noise for you. We have as 2230 02:17:18,900 --> 02:17:21,900 usual hookers and blow red boys and Chardonnay for the ladies 2231 02:17:21,900 --> 02:17:26,580 today to Quito and tequila. Crush it and Cain breaks pug and 2232 02:17:26,580 --> 02:17:30,600 boy goat chops goat milk Baron blondes ginger ale and dribbles, 2233 02:17:30,840 --> 02:17:34,440 vodka and vanilla Rubenesque woman and Rosae breast milk and 2234 02:17:34,440 --> 02:17:37,470 pablum or mutton and Mead which I think is what most people go 2235 02:17:37,470 --> 02:17:40,770 for go to no agenda nation.com/rings And we'll get 2236 02:17:40,770 --> 02:17:43,410 those out to you as soon as possible. We'd love to see you 2237 02:17:44,130 --> 02:17:47,460 tweet those out but make sure you put your your name or your 2238 02:17:47,460 --> 02:17:51,390 night name in your profile. It helps the show it makes you look 2239 02:17:51,390 --> 02:17:55,830 cool and it often helps you know helps you widen your network 2240 02:17:56,580 --> 02:17:59,070 well worth the work that org slash and a thank you for 2241 02:17:59,070 --> 02:18:02,910 supporting no agenda a another show on Thursday. Coming to you 2242 02:18:02,910 --> 02:18:09,450 live at least half of it from London. Good news, or bad news 2243 02:18:09,480 --> 02:18:10,830 can always use good news. 2244 02:18:11,400 --> 02:18:14,520 John C. Dvorak: Well, I think this qualifies as Both scooters 2245 02:18:14,550 --> 02:18:15,720 in Nashville. 2246 02:18:16,860 --> 02:18:19,410 Unknown: back now with a growing trend of travel and the growing 2247 02:18:19,410 --> 02:18:23,190 danger it may bring electric scooters speeding down roads and 2248 02:18:23,190 --> 02:18:26,580 sidewalks and at least 11 deaths reported since the beginning of 2249 02:18:26,580 --> 02:18:29,790 last year. Tonight the mayor who's had enough and what he's 2250 02:18:29,790 --> 02:18:32,070 demanding. Here's ABCs Marcy Gonzalez. 2251 02:18:32,520 --> 02:18:36,210 Tonight leaders in yet another American city threatening to ban 2252 02:18:36,270 --> 02:18:40,260 electric scooters concerned about the danger to riders and 2253 02:18:40,260 --> 02:18:44,280 pedestrians. They're everywhere they block sidewalks. The mayor 2254 02:18:44,280 --> 02:18:48,510 of Nashville says there are now 4000 Scooters in his city saying 2255 02:18:48,510 --> 02:18:51,810 he wants them off the streets if the seven scooter companies 2256 02:18:51,810 --> 02:18:54,840 operating there don't address safety concerns. 2257 02:18:55,020 --> 02:18:58,560 I'd love to see them fit into Nashville but the way it is 2258 02:18:58,590 --> 02:19:02,130 operating in Nashville right now. We just have too much risk 2259 02:19:02,190 --> 02:19:03,090 associated with it. 2260 02:19:03,210 --> 02:19:06,300 This video showing the risks riders are taking this man in 2261 02:19:06,300 --> 02:19:10,620 Nashville on a scooter with a child on his back. And just last 2262 02:19:10,620 --> 02:19:14,310 month a 26 year old man died they're hit by a vehicle while 2263 02:19:14,310 --> 02:19:17,610 riding a scooter Brady golf his family starting a petition to 2264 02:19:17,640 --> 02:19:21,840 outlaw them. So he quote is the last victim of what they call an 2265 02:19:21,840 --> 02:19:25,230 epidemic across the country. The Associated Press reports there 2266 02:19:25,230 --> 02:19:28,050 have been at least 11 electric scooter deaths since the 2267 02:19:28,050 --> 02:19:32,130 beginning of last year and consumer reports telling 1500 2268 02:19:32,130 --> 02:19:36,840 scooter related accidents from just 47 cities since late 2017. 2269 02:19:37,590 --> 02:19:40,650 Adam Curry: So where's the good news? Where's the bad news? 2270 02:19:41,880 --> 02:19:45,420 John C. Dvorak: That's good news for the public. Good. Some Mayor 2271 02:19:45,420 --> 02:19:49,320 actually has a backbone. So it's all scooters now. Now the bad 2272 02:19:49,320 --> 02:19:53,520 news is for these stupid scooter companies. It's all built into 2273 02:19:53,520 --> 02:19:54,150 one clip. 2274 02:19:54,210 --> 02:19:57,180 Adam Curry: I don't know if we did I read that of what we 2275 02:19:57,180 --> 02:19:59,970 talked about on the show but one of our producers sent a note in 2276 02:20:01,260 --> 02:20:05,970 He was at a conference, I think was the ADEA American Disability 2277 02:20:05,970 --> 02:20:09,060 Act type conference with lawyers and they're all going after the 2278 02:20:09,060 --> 02:20:13,560 scooter companies for the blind because these things are left on 2279 02:20:13,560 --> 02:20:19,440 the sidewalks and that's very difficult for those experiencing 2280 02:20:19,950 --> 02:20:25,740 sightlessness trying to say it the right way to navigate around 2281 02:20:25,740 --> 02:20:31,770 them yeah good point Yeah. It's especially with the with the 2282 02:20:31,800 --> 02:20:36,660 with the bikes. The scooters is one thing but the bikes, the you 2283 02:20:36,660 --> 02:20:39,450 walk by eating, they get caught on them, they trip over them, 2284 02:20:39,450 --> 02:20:44,190 they fall it's a nightmare. And Austin, I guess we know they 2285 02:20:44,190 --> 02:20:48,150 postponed all of the homeless votes for the you know, because 2286 02:20:48,150 --> 02:20:50,760 you know, the pan the overturning the panhandling 2287 02:20:50,760 --> 02:20:54,420 ordinances. They chickened out on that so they they push that 2288 02:20:54,420 --> 02:20:57,210 vote off, which would effectively make it legal to 2289 02:20:57,210 --> 02:21:00,900 Panhandle in any manner next to a school a bank a bus stop 2290 02:21:00,900 --> 02:21:06,540 anytime a day. But they have allowed these scooters and bikes 2291 02:21:06,540 --> 02:21:09,030 to Well, I don't know but the bikes would the scooters to be 2292 02:21:09,030 --> 02:21:13,320 on sidewalks to be driven on sidewalks. We have two very 2293 02:21:13,320 --> 02:21:17,640 large School for the Deaf in Austin, very famous. Think about 2294 02:21:17,640 --> 02:21:20,460 how dangerous that is when you cannot hear anything coming up 2295 02:21:20,460 --> 02:21:24,780 behind you. And you can barely hear these things anyway. So I 2296 02:21:24,780 --> 02:21:30,960 think we got roads for a reason. Who am I? I have a clip blitz if 2297 02:21:30,960 --> 02:21:38,250 you want it. Well let's do it after this. Dogs. Yes, we love 2298 02:21:38,250 --> 02:21:42,690 our dogs. I'm going to break the wheel. 2299 02:21:42,960 --> 02:21:45,480 Unknown: If you're a fan of Game of Thrones, you're familiar with 2300 02:21:45,480 --> 02:21:48,660 the direwolf the popularity of the creature in the fantasy 2301 02:21:48,660 --> 02:21:51,660 world creating consequences in the real world 2302 02:21:51,930 --> 02:21:56,370 on Jerome Flynn for PETA. You might also know me as Braun from 2303 02:21:56,370 --> 02:21:59,700 Game of Thrones, more and more Huskies are being bred and 2304 02:21:59,700 --> 02:22:02,190 bought because of their resemblance to direwolves 2305 02:22:02,460 --> 02:22:05,130 that search and breeding has also led to a surge in 2306 02:22:05,130 --> 02:22:06,150 abandonments. 2307 02:22:06,450 --> 02:22:09,060 Adam Curry: Why Husky used a husky mix since I've been coming 2308 02:22:09,060 --> 02:22:09,510 in 2309 02:22:09,570 --> 02:22:12,180 Unknown: animal shelters in both Monterey and Santa Cruz counties 2310 02:22:12,210 --> 02:22:15,360 are reporting a massive increase in the number of Huskies. The 2311 02:22:15,360 --> 02:22:17,910 Santa Cruz County Animal Shelter says right now they have six 2312 02:22:17,910 --> 02:22:20,370 huskies and that's the most they've ever had. And it's 2313 02:22:20,370 --> 02:22:23,730 happening all over the state with very similar stories. Take 2314 02:22:23,730 --> 02:22:27,600 Dakota here, for example. She's a year old. People often get 2315 02:22:27,600 --> 02:22:31,140 these dogs as puppies because they're so beautiful, but they 2316 02:22:31,140 --> 02:22:34,080 don't really understand the maintenance that goes into 2317 02:22:34,080 --> 02:22:36,960 taking care of these dogs as they get older. This isn't the 2318 02:22:36,960 --> 02:22:39,840 first time we've seen pop culture impact shelters. 2319 02:22:39,870 --> 02:22:42,270 Adam Curry: That's who I was when Paris Hilton heads pursue 2320 02:22:42,270 --> 02:22:46,080 our 101 Dalmatians came out it seemed like there were a lot of 2321 02:22:46,080 --> 02:22:46,830 donations. 2322 02:22:48,960 --> 02:22:51,210 Unknown: But now it's happening to huskies and a rise in 2323 02:22:51,210 --> 02:22:53,430 surrenders means more youth in his nations. 2324 02:22:55,500 --> 02:22:58,710 Adam Curry: And this is very typical of our culture. Yeah, 2325 02:22:58,710 --> 02:23:01,440 man. It's such a cool dog. Let's get one and the dog turns out to 2326 02:23:01,440 --> 02:23:05,520 be pooping machine. Eaten Yatta house and home. Let's get rid of 2327 02:23:05,520 --> 02:23:12,120 this dog. Dogs. But wait, there's more. 2328 02:23:13,800 --> 02:23:17,190 Unknown: In Texas, the movies have gone to the dogs 2329 02:23:17,670 --> 02:23:20,880 is the world's first ever dog friendly movie theater. 2330 02:23:21,090 --> 02:23:22,920 Eric Langford started canines. 2331 02:23:24,270 --> 02:23:25,380 Can you believe this 2332 02:23:26,160 --> 02:23:31,140 has a unique place for people? And pooches Best Friend Bear is 2333 02:23:31,140 --> 02:23:32,520 his partner. Of course, 2334 02:23:32,580 --> 02:23:35,670 my heart is overwhelmed with joy because I did this to make me 2335 02:23:35,670 --> 02:23:38,790 happy. You're gonna have no dates broke and I was making 2336 02:23:38,790 --> 02:23:40,440 other people happy so everybody's loving. 2337 02:23:41,520 --> 02:23:45,720 six nights a week for 15 bucks and five for Sparky, you can see 2338 02:23:45,720 --> 02:23:50,310 a flick and enjoy a bottomless glass of wine, wine and dogs. 2339 02:23:50,340 --> 02:23:57,150 Why bring your dog? Why not? real question. Movies vary from 2340 02:23:57,150 --> 02:24:01,440 modern hits to classics, maybe even a dog's journey from time 2341 02:24:01,440 --> 02:24:01,920 to time. 2342 02:24:02,190 --> 02:24:04,710 He loves just coming here because he gets to play with all 2343 02:24:04,710 --> 02:24:05,640 the other dogs to 2344 02:24:05,760 --> 02:24:11,400 the candy counters even stocked with doggy treats for dogs. No 2345 02:24:11,400 --> 02:24:14,580 one's ever been busted for smooching in the dark but some 2346 02:24:14,580 --> 02:24:18,990 nuzzling goes on. For the most part the pups sit, stay and 2347 02:24:18,990 --> 02:24:23,760 watch. And here's a doggone good idea local shelters often on 2348 02:24:23,760 --> 02:24:25,830 hand with pets for adoption. 2349 02:24:26,070 --> 02:24:29,250 Adam Curry: Okay, fine. Do they charge five bucks extra for the 2350 02:24:29,250 --> 02:24:35,340 dog? And they don't even do that for kids when you bring kids 2351 02:24:35,340 --> 02:24:37,920 into theater which I'm also against babies. 2352 02:24:41,250 --> 02:24:43,950 John C. Dvorak: Well, you hate dogs so that makes 2353 02:24:43,980 --> 02:24:50,130 Adam Curry: I do not hate dogs. I hate dog owners who treat them 2354 02:24:50,130 --> 02:24:53,190 like humans like children like human beings. 2355 02:24:53,220 --> 02:24:54,450 John C. Dvorak: Everybody hates that. 2356 02:24:54,600 --> 02:24:56,490 Adam Curry: Well that's all that's my whole point. I don't 2357 02:24:56,490 --> 02:24:59,460 hate dogs. You've given me this rap, which is unfair. I 2358 02:24:59,460 --> 02:25:03,540 John C. Dvorak: know I have I wanna see how nicely now I'm 2359 02:25:03,540 --> 02:25:04,980 getting for some reason where it 2360 02:25:05,040 --> 02:25:08,880 Adam Curry: it's really, I at one point I said I'm tired of 2361 02:25:08,910 --> 02:25:12,630 eating chicken breast. And now somehow in my own house Oh, you 2362 02:25:12,630 --> 02:25:14,460 don't like chicken? I don't like chicken. 2363 02:25:16,890 --> 02:25:19,170 John C. Dvorak: I can cook some pretty decent chicken dishes. 2364 02:25:19,380 --> 02:25:21,330 But I am sick of chicken. 2365 02:25:21,779 --> 02:25:24,149 Adam Curry: Well, I got sick. I just I was sick of chicken 2366 02:25:24,149 --> 02:25:25,799 chicken breast. Give it is 2367 02:25:25,830 --> 02:25:27,090 John C. Dvorak: it's a dumb meat 2368 02:25:29,700 --> 02:25:32,640 Adam Curry: it's a dumb meat. Please, please explain how is it 2369 02:25:32,640 --> 02:25:33,690 a dumb meat? 2370 02:25:34,320 --> 02:25:37,020 John C. Dvorak: Well, for one thing it's made from chickens. 2371 02:25:40,110 --> 02:25:44,190 Okay, let me come on. Can we find something better to eat and 2372 02:25:44,190 --> 02:25:45,660 the stupid birds? 2373 02:25:46,590 --> 02:25:52,740 Adam Curry: Oryx baby dogs? Or maybe just dry some dogs? I 2374 02:25:52,740 --> 02:25:55,680 don't know. Is dog meat? Tasty? The Chinese can't be totally 2375 02:25:55,680 --> 02:25:56,190 stupid. 2376 02:25:56,640 --> 02:25:58,770 John C. Dvorak: Well, the Filipinos mostly dog meat. I 2377 02:25:58,770 --> 02:26:01,710 think I've had dog meat. I don't I'm not can't say for sure. But 2378 02:26:01,710 --> 02:26:05,220 I believe I have and it's fine. I mean, I think horse meats a 2379 02:26:05,220 --> 02:26:05,820 little better. 2380 02:26:05,850 --> 02:26:07,950 Adam Curry: I like horse meat. I'm all for the horse meat. 2381 02:26:08,010 --> 02:26:09,720 John C. Dvorak: What do you have my horse meat store you haven't 2382 02:26:09,720 --> 02:26:10,590 taught my horse meat store? 2383 02:26:11,190 --> 02:26:14,190 Adam Curry: You know, I'd love to hear your horsemeat story. 2384 02:26:14,670 --> 02:26:17,580 John C. Dvorak: So I missed Slovenia, hanging out with the 2385 02:26:17,580 --> 02:26:21,390 publishers, their publishers, the Playboy and all most of the 2386 02:26:21,390 --> 02:26:25,290 magazines. They're going to pick up PC Magazine and the Slovenian 2387 02:26:25,290 --> 02:26:31,980 version and there I got a great tour of the country. And did 2388 02:26:31,980 --> 02:26:35,940 there's something I've noticed, in fact, Eric de Shil went to 2389 02:26:35,940 --> 02:26:39,240 Finland and he I said when when you're filling, get some of this 2390 02:26:39,570 --> 02:26:43,080 reindeer meat. It's absolutely fantastic diesels never saw any. 2391 02:26:44,460 --> 02:26:47,220 And I realized that many European countries that eat kind 2392 02:26:47,220 --> 02:26:51,780 of offbeat stuff. They never admit it. And they won't let you 2393 02:26:51,780 --> 02:26:55,260 see what reindeer or die like you know, you can go to you can 2394 02:26:55,260 --> 02:26:58,140 go to Scandinavian countries or Nordic countries and you find 2395 02:26:58,140 --> 02:27:02,370 that you'll see your Granger meet all over themselves, but 2396 02:27:02,370 --> 02:27:04,170 these guys will never take your places serves it. 2397 02:27:04,350 --> 02:27:08,490 Adam Curry: I thought the one time I went to Finland, sir Luke 2398 02:27:09,540 --> 02:27:12,480 took me to a restaurant when we had reindeer meat. In fact, they 2399 02:27:12,480 --> 02:27:15,330 brought out the picture of the damn beast before they killed 2400 02:27:15,330 --> 02:27:21,510 him and his name and everything. So do you think oh dynamite 2401 02:27:22,109 --> 02:27:25,199 John C. Dvorak: is dynamite? Ah, it was very bloody meat but as 2402 02:27:25,199 --> 02:27:25,709 die some 2403 02:27:25,710 --> 02:27:27,870 Adam Curry: of the most beautiful meat I've ever tasted 2404 02:27:27,870 --> 02:27:30,360 though. It was yeah, it was good. I liked it a lot. 2405 02:27:30,869 --> 02:27:33,269 John C. Dvorak: Yeah, it's very good. And it goes cool it 2406 02:27:33,599 --> 02:27:38,249 curiously, I was up at some restaurant way north and Finland 2407 02:27:38,249 --> 02:27:41,699 and this woman is French woman who started a reindeer steaks. 2408 02:27:42,149 --> 02:27:45,719 She had a huge collection of Behringer Private Reserve 2409 02:27:45,719 --> 02:27:49,979 Cabernet, which he insisted that we have with the reindeer. And 2410 02:27:49,979 --> 02:27:57,569 that match was unbelievable. So anyway, so so. So I'm in 2411 02:27:57,569 --> 02:28:02,819 Slovenia, and these guys reticent Lee say Do you ever eat 2412 02:28:02,819 --> 02:28:05,939 horse meat? That's it? Yeah, I've had a horse meat tacos. And 2413 02:28:06,479 --> 02:28:08,789 to one of their fantastic I like horse 2414 02:28:08,790 --> 02:28:10,560 Adam Curry: meat. Was that at the donkey show? 2415 02:28:11,700 --> 02:28:16,800 John C. Dvorak: No, I never went to the donkey show. And so it 2416 02:28:16,800 --> 02:28:19,080 was called the Blue something for you to name movement, the 2417 02:28:19,080 --> 02:28:22,410 name of the place. It may have been just a myth. Anyway, so 2418 02:28:22,410 --> 02:28:25,680 like so this all well, there's a restaurant here that specializes 2419 02:28:25,680 --> 02:28:28,800 in it bed. So we don't really eat much just beer, you know, 2420 02:28:28,800 --> 02:28:31,860 they're gone. They're downplaying it. But if I want to 2421 02:28:31,860 --> 02:28:35,760 go and have some horse meat just to see what it was like because 2422 02:28:35,760 --> 02:28:41,820 they'd be good. They did relent, and go. So we go to this place. 2423 02:28:42,300 --> 02:28:47,910 And they order this den, advise me to order this sirloin steak 2424 02:28:47,940 --> 02:28:52,110 course, which I never had just a big horse steak. The thing is 2425 02:28:52,110 --> 02:28:57,930 the size of the plate. The worst part was this particular cut was 2426 02:28:57,960 --> 02:29:01,710 dense. Oh, it had kind of a dense quality light. It was 2427 02:29:01,710 --> 02:29:06,150 tasty. Yeah. But it had a dense liver light quality. And so I'm 2428 02:29:06,330 --> 02:29:09,270 trying to plow through this thing with these guys who never 2429 02:29:09,270 --> 02:29:13,080 eat horse meat. And so I'm trying to get through this steak 2430 02:29:13,080 --> 02:29:16,200 and I'm getting about a third of the way through and I'm stuffed, 2431 02:29:16,230 --> 02:29:20,340 I can't take it. I look around these three guys, three of them. 2432 02:29:20,610 --> 02:29:24,480 They plowed through this giant steak like there's no tomorrow 2433 02:29:24,480 --> 02:29:33,480 and say to me, are you going to eat that? And they glom it so 2434 02:29:33,480 --> 02:29:37,290 they love the horsemeat in Slovenia. No matter what they 2435 02:29:37,290 --> 02:29:42,510 tell you. Anyway, do you have a clip blitz of seven clips all 2436 02:29:42,510 --> 02:29:43,500 under 30 seconds, 2437 02:29:43,590 --> 02:29:44,820 Unknown: rule 33. 2438 02:29:48,690 --> 02:29:51,660 John C. Dvorak: Democrat weirdness regarding taxes the 2439 02:29:51,660 --> 02:29:54,360 Unknown: democratic Chair of the House Ways and Means Committee 2440 02:29:54,360 --> 02:29:57,060 is coming under fire from his own party after he told 2441 02:29:57,060 --> 02:30:00,690 Bloomberg News he has no plans to use recently. past New York 2442 02:30:00,690 --> 02:30:04,470 state law to acquire President Trump's tax records. Congress 2443 02:30:04,470 --> 02:30:07,470 member Richard Neal says he's worried the request would quote 2444 02:30:07,470 --> 02:30:10,440 bolster Trump administration arguments that Congress is on a 2445 02:30:10,440 --> 02:30:15,960 political fishing expedition 3333 Clip blitz complex 2446 02:30:16,830 --> 02:30:18,840 John C. Dvorak: tax returns to 2447 02:30:20,400 --> 02:30:23,220 Unknown: Treasury Secretary Stephen Minuchin has defied 2448 02:30:23,220 --> 02:30:26,160 congressional requests to turn over Trump's tax records and 2449 02:30:26,160 --> 02:30:30,150 Trump remains the only precedent or major presidential candidate 2450 02:30:30,150 --> 02:30:33,990 in modern US history to refuse to make his tax returns public. 2451 02:30:38,520 --> 02:30:41,910 John C. Dvorak: Nadler his plan plus weird Pelosi quote 2452 02:30:41,970 --> 02:30:45,000 Unknown: Democratic House Judiciary chair Jerrold Nadler 2453 02:30:45,000 --> 02:30:48,000 is preparing to subpoena Special Counsel Robert Muller within the 2454 02:30:48,000 --> 02:30:51,420 next two weeks. That's according to Politico, which also reports 2455 02:30:51,420 --> 02:30:54,390 Nadler is privately pushing Democratic leaders to open a 2456 02:30:54,390 --> 02:30:57,690 formal impeachment inquiry against the president. During a 2457 02:30:57,690 --> 02:31:00,690 closed door meeting Tuesday, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi 2458 02:31:00,690 --> 02:31:04,650 reportedly pushed back saying Trump should be quote in prison 2459 02:31:04,680 --> 02:31:05,850 but not impeached. 2460 02:31:08,670 --> 02:31:11,940 John C. Dvorak: Weird, Sudan news important 2461 02:31:11,970 --> 02:31:14,970 Unknown: the African Union has suspended Sudan's membership 2462 02:31:14,970 --> 02:31:18,030 after soldiers with the ruling transitional Military Council 2463 02:31:18,030 --> 02:31:22,410 open fire and sit in protesters Monday, killing at least 108 of 2464 02:31:22,410 --> 02:31:26,130 them and wounding more than 500 others. In a statement the AU 2465 02:31:26,130 --> 02:31:29,250 said Sudan would remain suspended until a civilian led 2466 02:31:29,250 --> 02:31:32,520 transitional authority is established. Sudan's military 2467 02:31:32,520 --> 02:31:35,550 took power in April after a month long popular uprising that 2468 02:31:35,550 --> 02:31:38,670 led to the overthrow of the longtime authoritarian President 2469 02:31:38,790 --> 02:31:39,720 Omar Al Bashir. 2470 02:31:42,120 --> 02:31:45,690 John C. Dvorak: You term YouTube YouTube current bands 2471 02:31:45,720 --> 02:31:48,990 Unknown: YouTube announced today that it will remove 1000s of 2472 02:31:48,990 --> 02:31:54,120 videos and channels with white supremacist and neo Nazi content 2473 02:31:54,120 --> 02:31:57,420 from its site. The video streaming company will also bar 2474 02:31:57,420 --> 02:32:00,870 any videos denying well documented events like the 2475 02:32:00,870 --> 02:32:04,290 Holocaust ever happened. The move comes amid growing 2476 02:32:04,290 --> 02:32:08,910 criticism that online services allow and sometimes fuel hate 2477 02:32:08,910 --> 02:32:09,390 speech. 2478 02:32:09,420 --> 02:32:11,370 Adam Curry: Thank you so you turn 30. 2479 02:32:14,700 --> 02:32:16,290 John C. Dvorak: Ships banned 2480 02:32:17,130 --> 02:32:19,710 it's about to get more difficult to travel to Cuba. Today the 2481 02:32:19,710 --> 02:32:22,890 Trump administration banned cruise ships departing the US 2482 02:32:23,040 --> 02:32:26,250 from stopping there in order to punish Cuba for supporting the 2483 02:32:26,250 --> 02:32:29,280 Venezuelan Government. commercial airline flights are 2484 02:32:29,280 --> 02:32:30,090 not yet affected. 2485 02:32:32,220 --> 02:32:35,400 last clip home food delivery twist. 2486 02:32:35,429 --> 02:32:38,969 So the online delivery wars have a new battlefield you might say 2487 02:32:39,119 --> 02:32:42,539 your refrigerator. Walmart said today it's testing a new service 2488 02:32:42,539 --> 02:32:45,539 delivery workers will actually put groceries in your 2489 02:32:45,539 --> 02:32:49,559 refrigerator when you're not home. They'll wear a camera so 2490 02:32:49,559 --> 02:32:52,769 you can keep an eye on them. Apparently it uses smart 2491 02:32:52,769 --> 02:32:53,999 technology to let you in. 2492 02:32:58,140 --> 02:32:59,940 Adam Curry: That's a good Blitz. John, we haven't done one like 2493 02:32:59,940 --> 02:33:03,000 that in the wild is good. I like that. Outstanding. 2494 02:33:03,060 --> 02:33:06,270 John C. Dvorak: So they're gonna let you cool what it is going to 2495 02:33:06,270 --> 02:33:09,270 have home food delivery, where the guy who plows into your 2496 02:33:09,270 --> 02:33:11,670 house, although if you think about it in old movies, you see 2497 02:33:11,670 --> 02:33:14,610 that it used to be common back in the 20s and 30s. I guess 2498 02:33:14,610 --> 02:33:15,120 you're there was 2499 02:33:15,119 --> 02:33:19,859 Adam Curry: Trust. Trust there was trust there was trust? Well, 2500 02:33:19,859 --> 02:33:23,069 there's a couple things we we haven't discussed that I do have 2501 02:33:23,069 --> 02:33:28,319 a clip for. Number one would be the tariffs do not go into 2502 02:33:28,319 --> 02:33:33,959 effect for Mexico on Monday, apparently we have a deal. Here 2503 02:33:33,959 --> 02:33:42,539 is the Spanish interpretation of the key point as done by the the 2504 02:33:42,569 --> 02:33:45,329 Spanish official who did the announcement in English. 2505 02:33:45,480 --> 02:33:47,760 Unknown: And the key findings of the Mueller report Ukrainian 2506 02:33:47,760 --> 02:33:48,330 visits 2507 02:33:49,140 --> 02:33:52,320 Adam Curry: fail. Of course, that's not the one I meant. That 2508 02:33:52,320 --> 02:33:54,030 would be this one, the United 2509 02:33:54,030 --> 02:33:57,000 Unknown: States will immediately expand the implementation of the 2510 02:33:57,000 --> 02:34:01,410 existing migrant protection protocols across its entire 2511 02:34:01,410 --> 02:34:06,480 southern border. This means that the those crossing the US 2512 02:34:06,480 --> 02:34:10,590 southern border to seek asylum will be rapidly returned to 2513 02:34:10,590 --> 02:34:14,880 Mexico where they may await the adjudication of their asylum 2514 02:34:14,880 --> 02:34:20,580 claims. In response, Mexico will authorize the entrance of all of 2515 02:34:20,580 --> 02:34:24,270 those individuals for humanitarian reasons in 2516 02:34:24,270 --> 02:34:27,660 compliance with its international obligations, while 2517 02:34:27,660 --> 02:34:32,160 they await the adjudication of their asylum claims. Mexico will 2518 02:34:32,160 --> 02:34:37,980 also offer jobs, health care and education according to its 2519 02:34:37,980 --> 02:34:43,320 principles. The United States commit to work to accelerate the 2520 02:34:43,320 --> 02:34:47,220 adjudication of asylum claims and to conclude removal 2521 02:34:47,220 --> 02:34:53,880 proceedings as expeditiously as possible. Further actions. Both 2522 02:34:53,880 --> 02:34:57,930 parties also agree that in the event the measures adopted do 2523 02:34:57,930 --> 02:35:02,370 not have the expected results. They will take further actions. 2524 02:35:03,090 --> 02:35:07,620 Therefore, the United States and Mexico will continue their 2525 02:35:07,620 --> 02:35:11,700 discussions on the terms of additional understandings to 2526 02:35:11,700 --> 02:35:17,370 address irregular migrant flows and asylum issues to be 2527 02:35:17,370 --> 02:35:21,480 completed and announced within 90 days, if necessary, 2528 02:35:21,690 --> 02:35:23,820 Adam Curry: so that straight from the horse's mouth so to 2529 02:35:23,820 --> 02:35:27,330 speak, so it sounds pretty much like, like what was announced, 2530 02:35:27,660 --> 02:35:34,350 except for this. This, this tweet from the President saying 2531 02:35:34,350 --> 02:35:37,500 that Mexico is now going to buy more of our farm goods or 2532 02:35:37,500 --> 02:35:38,070 something. 2533 02:35:38,880 --> 02:35:40,710 John C. Dvorak: I don't know what he's talking about. Maybe I 2534 02:35:40,770 --> 02:35:43,800 align those two things. I know one, I do have a clip on asylum 2535 02:35:43,800 --> 02:35:48,120 rule changes. But But before that, the New York Times the 2536 02:35:48,120 --> 02:35:51,300 code of course throws a wet blanket on this after the fact 2537 02:35:51,300 --> 02:35:55,020 saying, Ah, this was done deal last year. This is nothing new. 2538 02:35:55,410 --> 02:35:58,320 Which doesn't make sense. It's just like the New York Times is 2539 02:35:58,320 --> 02:36:01,740 ruining their reputation by you know, just throwing a wet 2540 02:36:01,740 --> 02:36:06,030 blanket on everything that just got got the T word associated 2541 02:36:06,030 --> 02:36:08,850 with it. But, but this is kind of an interesting clip this new 2542 02:36:08,850 --> 02:36:11,550 asylum rules which has gotten some people upset 2543 02:36:11,670 --> 02:36:15,030 Unknown: the agreement require asylum seekers to seek refuge in 2544 02:36:15,030 --> 02:36:18,690 the countries they first crossed into. Under the plan, Guatemalan 2545 02:36:18,690 --> 02:36:21,990 migrants could only apply for asylum in Mexico Hondurans and 2546 02:36:21,990 --> 02:36:25,620 Salvadorans would be forced to apply as refugees in Guatemala. 2547 02:36:25,920 --> 02:36:28,860 The emerging plan drew fire from civil liberties groups, 2548 02:36:28,860 --> 02:36:32,460 including the ACLU, which said such a change to the asylum 2549 02:36:32,460 --> 02:36:36,180 system violates both US and international laws and is 2550 02:36:36,180 --> 02:36:41,610 unlikely to survive a legal challenge. Really? Yeah. 2551 02:36:41,640 --> 02:36:44,790 Adam Curry: Why Why would it be unlikely to survive a legal 2552 02:36:44,790 --> 02:36:46,440 challenge? I don't understand what is 2553 02:36:46,800 --> 02:36:49,890 John C. Dvorak: either all those ACLU says so and of course 2554 02:36:49,890 --> 02:36:53,730 they're always right. And his I guess there's some rule where if 2555 02:36:53,730 --> 02:36:57,000 you're like, if you're an asylum seeker, you don't have to go to 2556 02:36:57,000 --> 02:36:59,040 the first shithole countries next. 2557 02:36:59,070 --> 02:37:03,000 Adam Curry: Yes, you do. So I mean, you know, this tariffs, 2558 02:37:03,000 --> 02:37:03,480 what it's all 2559 02:37:03,480 --> 02:37:05,940 John C. Dvorak: about. I mean, that's what they're saying. You 2560 02:37:05,940 --> 02:37:08,580 know, they condemned Trump for saying shithole country. Yeah. 2561 02:37:08,640 --> 02:37:12,390 But in fact, what they're direct, they're showing us this 2562 02:37:12,390 --> 02:37:15,090 shithole countries, they think the same way. Yeah. 2563 02:37:17,340 --> 02:37:21,780 Adam Curry: For sure, it is my impression that the liberal 2564 02:37:21,840 --> 02:37:26,580 world order the New World Order the liberal banking elites, the 2565 02:37:26,580 --> 02:37:32,070 globalists, they do not like anyone messing with tariffs. 2566 02:37:33,180 --> 02:37:37,860 That was that it seemed like people got a big knot in their 2567 02:37:37,860 --> 02:37:42,090 panties, or their panties in a bunch over this. Yeah, the world 2568 02:37:42,090 --> 02:37:45,000 trade organizations all pissed off. Everyone's like, this is 2569 02:37:45,000 --> 02:37:50,280 crazy Republicans, then no one likes this. But it seems it 2570 02:37:50,280 --> 02:37:54,030 appears to be effective. Now. I'm not sure that it is. We'll 2571 02:37:54,030 --> 02:37:58,290 see. But they don't like that this and I guess that's the same 2572 02:37:58,290 --> 02:38:01,320 with Brexit. You know, it's about you know, the it's 2573 02:38:01,320 --> 02:38:04,320 ultimately it's about the deals it's about the trade between the 2574 02:38:04,320 --> 02:38:05,070 countries. 2575 02:38:07,170 --> 02:38:09,390 John C. Dvorak: Yes, something we need to pay more attention to 2576 02:38:09,390 --> 02:38:11,130 insofar as a reaction to it. 2577 02:38:11,160 --> 02:38:13,440 Adam Curry: Yeah, cuz they really, really don't like it. 2578 02:38:15,720 --> 02:38:17,040 John C. Dvorak: Yeah, they don't. You're right. 2579 02:38:18,360 --> 02:38:21,990 Adam Curry: Then my final clip for today's deconstruction ad 2580 02:38:21,990 --> 02:38:25,200 just so we can get ready because we do have elections coming up 2581 02:38:25,200 --> 02:38:31,050 in Canada Navia. what elections are these now? Is this a bigger 2582 02:38:31,050 --> 02:38:33,570 lecture? Is this a big a big election for them? 2583 02:38:33,630 --> 02:38:35,280 John C. Dvorak: The Parliament election for members of 2584 02:38:35,280 --> 02:38:35,670 parliament, 2585 02:38:35,850 --> 02:38:38,520 Adam Curry: parliamentary Hello, Candice Avians. In the troll 2586 02:38:38,520 --> 02:38:40,890 room, let me know what's going on. What's what's going on? We'd 2587 02:38:40,890 --> 02:38:44,730 like to know what's what's happening. So we've heard from 2588 02:38:44,730 --> 02:38:49,740 this young woman before her name is Karina Gould. She is the 2589 02:38:49,740 --> 02:38:55,230 Minister of democratic institutions. Then she has some 2590 02:38:55,230 --> 02:38:59,700 very troubling news, not just here in United States get 2591 02:38:59,700 --> 02:39:01,230 donation happens up there as well. 2592 02:39:01,230 --> 02:39:06,360 Unknown: I just wanted to give a quick update on the Declaration 2593 02:39:06,360 --> 02:39:11,400 on online electoral integrity from two weeks ago. I wanted to 2594 02:39:11,400 --> 02:39:14,700 raise the issue that you know, when we announced it on Monday, 2595 02:39:15,900 --> 02:39:20,940 May 27, Google, Facebook and Microsoft were very quick to 2596 02:39:20,940 --> 02:39:23,610 join. They've in fact demonstrated a number of actions 2597 02:39:23,610 --> 02:39:26,130 in the interim. However, we still haven't heard from 2598 02:39:26,130 --> 02:39:30,000 Twitter. We haven't heard from Twitter on the declaration. We 2599 02:39:30,000 --> 02:39:32,100 haven't heard from Twitter in terms of what they're planning 2600 02:39:32,100 --> 02:39:34,650 on doing for the upcoming election. We haven't heard from 2601 02:39:34,650 --> 02:39:37,680 Twitter with regards to whether they will have the online ad 2602 02:39:37,680 --> 02:39:41,280 registry. And I think it's important for Canadians to be 2603 02:39:41,280 --> 02:39:45,960 aware that Twitter has essentially decided not to take 2604 02:39:46,290 --> 02:39:50,700 responsibility for these activities that Twitter is not 2605 02:39:51,240 --> 02:39:55,470 committing to what they will do here in Canada and quite 2606 02:39:55,470 --> 02:39:59,010 frankly, that you know, we're facing a time crunch. I mean, 2607 02:39:59,010 --> 02:40:01,860 the pre rip here Your ad is going to be coming very shortly. 2608 02:40:02,010 --> 02:40:05,250 The elected election is coming shortly. And we have yet to hear 2609 02:40:05,250 --> 02:40:07,170 from Twitter. We've heard from Facebook, we've heard from 2610 02:40:07,170 --> 02:40:10,470 Google. But Twitter remains mum. And I think this is something 2611 02:40:10,470 --> 02:40:14,880 that Canadians should be aware of. And we hope that Twitter 2612 02:40:14,880 --> 02:40:17,070 will start to take some responsibility for the content 2613 02:40:17,310 --> 02:40:21,420 on their platform. We know that they have that their platform 2614 02:40:21,420 --> 02:40:24,780 has been used and manipulated by foreign malicious actors. And 2615 02:40:24,780 --> 02:40:27,150 we're still waiting to hear what their plans are here in Canada. 2616 02:40:27,510 --> 02:40:31,740 Adam Curry: Block them block them from the whole country. You 2617 02:40:31,740 --> 02:40:40,770 can't take that risk Canada right. Yeah. Yeah. sleaze this 2618 02:40:40,770 --> 02:40:44,040 is this is the playbook. So you can always go back all elections 2619 02:40:44,040 --> 02:40:47,340 are going to suck from now on. Because all we well, clearly we 2620 02:40:47,340 --> 02:40:48,240 know what the Russians did. 2621 02:40:48,570 --> 02:40:51,840 John C. Dvorak: Clearly those Russians, it's all that s. 2622 02:40:51,870 --> 02:40:57,120 Adam Curry: So I'm so sad. So annoying. Think this is the big 2623 02:40:57,120 --> 02:41:02,130 election. This is the one where they can get rid of get rid of 2624 02:41:02,130 --> 02:41:03,960 Trudeau might not be a crazy idea. 2625 02:41:03,960 --> 02:41:05,910 John C. Dvorak: That would be my hope. 2626 02:41:07,530 --> 02:41:10,050 Adam Curry: All righty. I think we've done a service to you. I 2627 02:41:10,050 --> 02:41:12,510 hope you appreciated that and will let us know in our value 2628 02:41:12,510 --> 02:41:17,130 for value network formats by sending us some value. We could 2629 02:41:17,130 --> 02:41:21,690 certainly use it on the lower end. devora.org/na is where you 2630 02:41:21,690 --> 02:41:24,930 can do that. We'll play the jingle again at the end. If 2631 02:41:24,930 --> 02:41:28,140 you're listening to no agenda stream.com We have the grumpy 2632 02:41:28,140 --> 02:41:32,640 old Ben's number 11 coming up. Just fun to listen to a bunch of 2633 02:41:32,640 --> 02:41:38,820 grumpy old Ben's you'll catch on pretty quick. And also thanks to 2634 02:41:38,820 --> 02:41:44,730 Jesse coy Nelson, The Secret Agent Paul. Yes for our end of 2635 02:41:44,730 --> 02:41:52,650 show jingles mixes and we will return on Thursday. Coming to 2636 02:41:52,650 --> 02:41:56,130 you from London and get my nation east. It'll be right 2637 02:41:56,130 --> 02:41:59,280 after our meet up there. So until then, coming to you from 2638 02:41:59,280 --> 02:42:03,270 downtown oh sorry, from the unnamed studio on the frontier 2639 02:42:03,270 --> 02:42:05,760 in Austin, Texas in the morning everybody I'm Adam curry 2640 02:42:06,300 --> 02:42:09,270 John C. Dvorak: and familiar Silicon Valley. We're changing 2641 02:42:09,270 --> 02:42:11,190 meat is dumb. I'm John C. Dvorak 2642 02:42:11,490 --> 02:42:13,680 Adam Curry: we return on Thursday right here at no agenda 2643 02:42:13,680 --> 02:42:16,530 remember us at the vortech.org/and A until then 2644 02:42:17,220 --> 02:42:21,690 adios mauve o's and such 2645 02:42:26,940 --> 02:42:32,670 Unknown: donate to and no agenda they give us as we kept her we 2646 02:42:32,730 --> 02:42:39,450 donate to and no agenda is the show that's really you he donate 2647 02:42:39,450 --> 02:42:47,100 to no agenda this John Adams be the only two with no agenda 2648 02:42:47,220 --> 02:42:50,190 science is turning into a clique 2649 02:42:57,990 --> 02:43:01,950 Adam Curry: I mean a in a an old an Airbnb actually is not an 2650 02:43:02,010 --> 02:43:06,360 Airbnb to Airbnb, proper bed and breakfast with a really 2651 02:43:06,360 --> 02:43:12,900 beautiful breakfast done by the owner. And so it's an old it's 2652 02:43:12,900 --> 02:43:17,970 an old house and it has one of those old Dutch toilets that I 2653 02:43:17,970 --> 02:43:20,400 think I've mentioned it before on the show that has a ship 2654 02:43:20,400 --> 02:43:25,380 thing way up in the air where it has the the the reservoir way up 2655 02:43:25,380 --> 02:43:31,080 in the air so uses real gravity big ass gravity. But it needs 2656 02:43:31,080 --> 02:43:34,440 that because it's one of those typical opendata toilets that 2657 02:43:34,440 --> 02:43:40,440 has the shelf and for people don't know if the main Dutch 2658 02:43:40,440 --> 02:43:45,120 toilet maker back in the days started making the mainly for 2659 02:43:45,120 --> 02:43:49,230 hospitals. And there's a shelf so when you poop then your poop 2660 02:43:49,230 --> 02:43:53,100 stays on the shelf so it can be examined. And no one ever 2661 02:43:53,100 --> 02:43:55,890 thought that's kind of disgusting for the home. And 2662 02:43:55,890 --> 02:44:00,390 they just just use the hospital toilets and so it's kind of 2663 02:44:00,390 --> 02:44:05,430 weird when you sit on the shelf and that's why he the extra 2664 02:44:05,430 --> 02:44:10,410 gravity is on the shelf. In some places it hits the fan in the 2665 02:44:10,410 --> 02:44:11,730 Netherlands it's on the shelf 2666 02:44:11,730 --> 02:44:17,310 John C. Dvorak: there's a poop upon the shell there's a poop 2667 02:44:17,310 --> 02:44:27,540 upon the shell we keep it by oh hell. For the Queen and carbon 2668 02:44:27,540 --> 02:44:35,340 well. The Dutch are written no rush to see that groupie flush. 2669 02:44:35,760 --> 02:44:37,740 Poop is on the shell 2670 02:44:42,900 --> 02:44:48,000 Adam Curry: No, that's okay if you're you're homeless. Why do 2671 02:44:48,000 --> 02:44:49,260 you say Adam I see you. 2672 02:44:49,410 --> 02:44:50,640 John C. Dvorak: You're talking about yourself. 2673 02:44:51,150 --> 02:44:54,660 Adam Curry: You come home. Your wife is on vacation or our 2674 02:44:54,660 --> 02:44:59,460 business trip and you come home with a homeless skirt. Walking 2675 02:44:59,460 --> 02:45:08,100 down the street homeless. God I like to meet homeless hooker you 2676 02:45:10,260 --> 02:45:17,910 know? You go You're not coming home with a hooker with these 2677 02:45:18,060 --> 02:45:32,040 cameras in place. Exactly. Homeless Mofo 2678 02:45:32,130 --> 02:45:35,670 Unknown: vorak.org/n A