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Unknown: Hey

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Adam curry, John C Dvorak.

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Adam Curry: Sunday June 30 2019.
This is your award winning get

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my nation media assassination
episode 1151. This is no agenda,

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proving that all media is
advertisement and broadcasting

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live from the frontier of
Austin, Texas capital to draw a

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star state in the morning,
everybody. I'm Adam curry

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John C. Dvorak: and from
Northern Silicon Valley where

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I've been ambushed by Kamala
Harris and Jhansi, Dvorak,

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Raglan Buzzkill.

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Adam Curry: Well, that sounds
painful.

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John C. Dvorak: Always. Yes.
Always with the topical opening.

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Adam Curry: Yes, you've been
ambushed by Kamala Harris.

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Before we before we do that I
have something very important to

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them. So to mention anything. I
received an email and I was

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quite shocked by this email. And
it was someone who was very

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pissed off with my performance
on the podcast, my pot. Oh,

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John C. Dvorak: you have two or
three people that do they don't

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like you.

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Adam Curry: It was my pod
performance. Apparently

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performance my pod performance
apparently. I have been saying,

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you know, a lot.

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John C. Dvorak: Oh, that's
funny. Have you thought that?

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Have you?

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Adam Curry: First thing, the
first thing I said is really? I

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listened to an hour of the show.
I didn't hear it. And as

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producer said, Oh yeah, you say?
You'd sounds like yo, we use

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Please stop saying yeah, no,
every two seconds. It sounds

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like Yo it's making the show
unlisted about. Yo, I thought

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maybe this person sent it to
wood meant to send it to Adam

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Carolla instead of maybe

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John C. Dvorak: he maybe was I
saying, you know, no, me,

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Adam Curry: me. And I said, I
even replied, I said, Well, then

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I'm very disappointed. John and
I are supposed to catch each

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other. Yes. And that was like
your sound like, you sound like

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an effing millennial who says
like, every three years? I can't

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I don't, maybe I do. But please,
pay attention to it. We'll

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John C. Dvorak: look Be more
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Adam Curry: The end of the day,
you know, look

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John C. Dvorak: bright, and
look, in the end of the day, oh,

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my god, the fact of the matter.
Going.

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Adam Curry: Now that's it. I've
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this is very important to the
show. It's important to me, it's

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important for this. I know, and
I'm sure that you would have

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just said I know. I said I know.
But I'm not. You know,

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John C. Dvorak: that may be the
maybe that's the mix up. Hmm.

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The problem is, I didn't hear it
in an hour a whole hour, which

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is, you know, it's not the whole
show. But if you didn't, if you

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can listen for an hour and not
say the buzz phrase that people

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are complaining or someone is
complaining about it's probably

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minor,

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Adam Curry: right? Well, now I'm
super aware of it. Now. You

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know, now it's become a Terenzo
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John C. Dvorak: I would ID for
people don't know, inside

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baseball, just make this
comment. Adam and I do catch

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each other saying stupid crap
that just generally in the

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public domain, and we start
doing it because everybody does.

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Yeah. And one of the things that
I've noticed is that when I

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start doing something, Adam will
catch me and then it'll take me

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two or three shows to stop from
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when Adam is caught, even in mid
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By calling him out on smacking
his lips or something. But but

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more more importantly, when
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being repeated. You know, when
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You know,

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Adam Curry: you just said, you
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John C. Dvorak: it could be it
could be me, maybe the guy's

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thinking that he doesn't
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between our voices. The point
is, is that when I pointed out

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to Adam, he's almost opposite
immediately. I find it

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Adam Curry: very well. It's my
nerving. It's my Tourette's

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power. It's unnerving. It's my
Tourette's power. I have the

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ability to stop the Tourette's
for periods of time, depending

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on what I'm doing. So I have
this. I have this mental ration,

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right. But now it's working in
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John C. Dvorak: isn't it?
Because you're also a neat

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freak. And this cleans up your?

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Adam Curry: Yes, my wife would
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now, but now I have a different
issue is this is such a, in

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fact, I remember when, you know,
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when I was eight or nine years
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the 70s. At a certain point with
everyone, you know, you know,

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and I recall someone maybe at
school, stop saying that. And

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enough for that to come back and
to be told that I'm that I'm

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using this now. It's almost like
a Tourette's thing that I want

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to say, you know,

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John C. Dvorak: you might want
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version, which is, you know what
I'm saying, You know what I'm

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Adam Curry: No, it's come on
now. No wonder the black

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version. Come on. Now.

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John C. Dvorak: You know what
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Adam Curry: Come on now. Let's
talk about it. Yeah. Then watch

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too much black YouTube.
Influenced over influenced.

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Well, now, we had a second
debate. We Which I'm sure people

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would like to hear our take on
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John C. Dvorak: got too much of
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that many clips from the debate.
I do have a couple. I have

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Adam Curry: Well, I'd like to
ask you something first. How's

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that? Biden Harris ticket
working out for you. You are so

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sure of

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John C. Dvorak: debts still in
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Adam Curry: Cabal errs wipes the
floor with Joe Biden. And I'm

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sitting there thinking, aha,
yeah, that's gonna be a great

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ticket. After the first time she
swiped the wipe the floor with

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them. Then she really came back
and did the whole full on racist

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bussing thing, regardless of the
truth of it. Diamond now that's

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never going to work again ever.
We have more chance of Kamala

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Harris Pete Buttigieg ticket
than a Biden Harris ticket. So

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pack it in.

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John C. Dvorak: But it's got to
be a woman. It's not going to be

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Elizabeth Warren. I have too
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we can talk about this later
that you can do the ABC analysis

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of the Biden Harris thing. It's
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Adam Curry: one was talking
let's talk about some basic some

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basic things I had not noticed
maybe only during the second

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debate that the lecterns light
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Yellow Red. I don't understand
why in this situation. They

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don't all have buzzers. And then
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then your lectern should light
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talk that would have made it so
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entertaining to watch.

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John C. Dvorak: It would have
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buzzers.

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Adam Curry: Kamala Harris 30
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fantastic. Because then you can
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in. It's just this format seems
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John C. Dvorak: you look at the
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lecterns. Yeah. Who's that?
Who's that benefit? They?

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Adam Curry: They can't see it. I
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can see some some changes. We

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John C. Dvorak: have a little
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We don't know. But it's
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they're talking overtime to the
audience. Yes. But it doesn't.

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you'd hardly notice it. In fact,
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didn't know what it was in the
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play in the first debate. Well,
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Adam Curry: here comes my second
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buzzers and lights to indicate
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directly asked a question, but
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We shouldn't have an audience.
We don't need the audience. It's

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annoying. This has been
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annoying, it's distracting. It
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John C. Dvorak: I heard this
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And it was the same logic. And I
decided now, first of all, this

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thing is bad enough. Have you
ever watched one of these local

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debates or some of this regional
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with no audience? It's extremely
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not work without an audience. It
would be a depressing, weird

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quality to it that you could
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Adam Curry: can I make a
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a laugh track and sweeten it?
That would be that sweeten it a

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little bit? And I think that
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John C. Dvorak: Well, the
audience really does add a

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dimension that even though it's
stupid, it adds something to

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what would otherwise be
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so so I'm not buying into that
one. Most of this is to do the

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back and forth with the Biden
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Adam Curry: Joe Biden came to
Jesse Jackson's Rainbow PUSH

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coalition today looking for a do
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that was to stop right there.
When I saw that live happening.

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I said to myself, Wow, now
you're really going as deep as

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you can. Joe, do you think he
had to pay it? Did he think he

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had to pay a cover fee to get
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on stage and was all good? That
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which is was how it was built.
Biden speaks for first time

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after debate. Yeah. Do you think
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had to pay or it wasn't a just
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John C. Dvorak: on the offer
Jesse Jackson, the vice

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presidency.

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course before I start, I'd like
to say something about the

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debate we had last night.

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Adam Curry: He's talking about
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night's debate, Senator Kamala
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vice president for touting his
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even segregationist senators,

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John C. Dvorak: I do not believe
you are a racist. And I agree

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with you when you commit
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finding common ground. But I
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and I was actually very it was
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the reputations of two United
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reputation Patients and career
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Adam Curry: Harris then took on
Biden for his opposition in the

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70s to federally ordered busing
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she made it personal.

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John C. Dvorak: There was a
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was part of the second class to
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And she was bused to school
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Adam Curry: On stage Biden
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John C. Dvorak: mischaracterized
my position across the board. I

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did not praise racist. That is
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Unknown: Do you agree today that
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Adam Curry: Did they just cut
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didn't even keep in his
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racist. They just cut it right
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John C. Dvorak: cut it true. Get
to the point where she's like

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demanding your beautiful.

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Unknown: Do you agree today that
you were wrong to oppose busing

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in America? Do you agree I did

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not oppose busing in America.
What I opposed is busing ordered

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by the Department of Education.
That's what I opposed

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John C. Dvorak: today in Chicago
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I heard and I listened to and I
respect Senator Harris. But you

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know, we all know that 30
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campaign debate exchange, can't
do justice to a lifetime job. I

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fought my heart out to ensure
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rights equal rights are enforced
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Adam Curry: I've decided we just
need to keep that yellow on hand

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for any time someone uses the
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It's just important.

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John C. Dvorak: Anyway, so he
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for some reason went to part
let's go to part two, I'll

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figure out why aren't forced
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All right, Mary Bruce joins us
now from Washington and Mary,

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the discussion today, not just
about Joe Biden's Rough night

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but also about a strong showing
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tonight the Senator is though
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misunderstood the question and
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John C. Dvorak: I thought this
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Adam Curry: And so a lot of
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I wonder how many people how
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John C. Dvorak: or, but didn't
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just came out this morning, and
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Adam Curry: I didn't notice the
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John C. Dvorak: Oh my god. It
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Adam Curry: He could have been
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preschoolers? Yeah, exactly.
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show. Now his rap is take the
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John C. Dvorak: But he's not a
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Adam Curry: I thought his his
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John C. Dvorak: Yes, she is she
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Adam Curry: little bit. So he
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John C. Dvorak: won't do it. He
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woman. And she's all in on this.
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bring up the printing money. But
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this last night, the income
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equality, which is part of
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Adam Curry: Now, let's go back
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comments. Now let's just look.
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that would make sense there? I
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John C. Dvorak: insurance
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advertising. True and extreme
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Adam Curry: Very big I think
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John C. Dvorak: mutual does a
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Adam Curry: and, and one other
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recive Yeah. Now CBS does seem
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camera or camera. It's, it seems
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John C. Dvorak: Kamala, I say
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are talking about this morning.
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born. She is fervent, but she is
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precisely like a flashlight.
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are telling CBS news today that
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Adam Curry: deploys her anger
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would have been better. But
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her anger precisely like a
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Hampshire are telling CBS news
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performance. How do you intend
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funny little girl, the little
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John C. Dvorak: nonsense. By the
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essay that I put online and this
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already put it in the show
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nonsense at Berkeley schools are
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Adam Curry: Let's just explain.
Because you live there, I really

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liked your personal take in the
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explain this. Again, you lived
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about B if we have to explain
busing a little bit, what she

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John C. Dvorak: Well, busing was
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trouble to not necessarily the
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people gone a lot have gone to a
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school district and near a
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Adam Curry: And the idea was,
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Biden was probably more on the
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John C. Dvorak: He was on the
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less, but looking in hindsight,
because people that come along

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like the Justice Democrats who
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during that era, don't realize
how divisive it was. And it

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caused nothing but trouble for
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forced busing where you take
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you can be living right next
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drags drags him across town to
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balance the races in these
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work out very well. And they it
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fact, they got some very funny
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segregated schools in the
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city in the world are New York,
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segregated schools. And that's
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Thank you. Bye be quite
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radicals of even in the 70s. And
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ridiculous. One thing Berkeley
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father's a professor, and this
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Adam Curry: you know, Kamala
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John C. Dvorak: like she was we
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high school. Yes, she

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this is how it was explained to
me from my ADOS friends, for

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Kumala it wasn't really an opt
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her mom, I would say wanted her
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for most kids, it was not a it
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what you had you had no no
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do. And but Comala had many
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with their family. One of them
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India or going wherever she
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privilege. And the and the
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people's history.

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John C. Dvorak: What's it called
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army uniform and your pretend to
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Adam Curry: valor? Is it false
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John C. Dvorak: she's doing?
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I mean, she's false. Valor
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Adam Curry: Stolen Valor. I'm
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somebody. Thank you. Trolls
trolls. I have I

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John C. Dvorak: don't want to I
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Adam Curry: Which is probably
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actual deal.

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John C. Dvorak: I think so. But
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Biden gaffa gaffes if you don't
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Adam Curry: I I have I have no
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just have some clips around the
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John C. Dvorak: well, I have a
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quite good especially the Biden
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upset the upset the Democrats to
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upset by this? I mean the hard
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get out of the way so we can see
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another guy who was really
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was he was almost in tears. He
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rundown. And by the way, there's
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Adam Curry: Finally, you figured
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John C. Dvorak: alphabetical?

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Unknown: You know, I think my
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Democratic Party has gone to the
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moderates in the debates have
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candidates, Warren and Sanders
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private health plans, employer
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Americans agree with that. All
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seem to think they can't get
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immigration policy. And they're
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an open borders type approach.
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devastating in the fall, this
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call themselves conservative
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moderates, and 26%, who call
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win with 26%. But this debate
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John C. Dvorak: Is that what
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no, I would say this, Judy, for
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highest moral objective
politically in 2020 is the

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retirement of Donald Trump. It's
not been a good week.

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Adam Curry: Yeah, no, I already
know what the gaffe of gases.

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John C. Dvorak: Well, the gaffer
gases also shields picked up in

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another gaff, which I went back
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quite get it. But apparently one
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and I bought eat quality quality
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we talked about in the last
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sure that transgenders I guess,
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Adam Curry: it wasn't this. This
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your your boy, Julian Castro.

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John C. Dvorak: Well, this is
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should make sure that they can
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it was not good. Just think of
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Republicans have surrendered to
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mean, Republicans have been
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Republicans did in Alabama, and
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Ohio. And the President has been
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strategically. I mean, they own
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country safe, legal, rare. So to
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Adam Curry: I think it was a
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evening and I find it really
disingenuous what a lot on the

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right, and conservatives are
tweeting, because what he what

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he meant by his statements, I
wish I had a clip of it was, you

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know, he's trying to show his
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trans men. I think trans men can
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it just it everyone took that as
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Tucker Carlson? Like, please, we
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that you can have female
reproductive organs. Yeah,

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female reproductive organs, you
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man and have a baby and have
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health care. So for anyone who
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man have a baby deck? You're
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the super liberal shields, say

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the same thing. So you can't
just blame the right the right

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what

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Adam Curry: he should have said
is men have a fronthaul we know

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the language. You want to have
discussed this yesterday. We

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should have had that in the
debate. Now. Was it a ridiculous

446
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thing to say? Yes, of course it
was, Hey, maybe I can pick up

447
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five people by saying that.
Okay, good work. Okay,

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John C. Dvorak: let's go to do
this is the one that everybody

449
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bitched about, as shields did
too. And this is Biden. A lot of

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this has to do with these guys
not listening to the moderators,

451
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the moderators not promoting
themselves. And so the question

452
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is asked, what's the first thing
you're gonna do when you're

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president?

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Adam Curry: And right, I thought
that was a cue. I'm waiting.

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John C. Dvorak: Oh, no, I mean,
I got it. I'm sorry. Sorry.

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What's the first thing you're
gonna do with your when you're

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president and when they went to
bite and he goes off? First of

458
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all, he goes off the rails and
says a number of things that

459
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don't make any sense. If you
listen carefully. It's worth

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analyzing what he said about
Obama. And then he brings

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himself back to the question
which apparently he forgot. And

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this is the result

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Adam Curry: you may have only
get one shot and your first

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issue that you're going to push
you get one shot, that it may be

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the only thing you get past.
What is that first issue for

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your presidency? Vice President
Biden your first issue, Mr. Vice

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President,

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John C. Dvorak: I think you're
so underestimated with Barack

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Obama did. He's the first man to
bring together the entire world

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196 nations to commit to deal
with climate change immediately.

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I don't buy that. The first, the
first thing I would do is make

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sure that we defeat Donald
Trump.

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Well, first of all, he starts
off by talking about Obama. And

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that was the the transition was
accurate there. I didn't it

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wasn't edited. The he says that
specifically chuck, chuck does.

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And he says, well, then he
bitches about people not taking

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Obama's climate change thing.
And then he says, I don't buy

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that. In that regard. What does
he mean? I don't buy that. He

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says Obama does first guy who
did all this stuff. I don't buy

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that. What he said was

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Adam Curry: listened again.
That's it's worth it. I want to

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see what was

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you may only get one shot and
your first and then what is that

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first issue for your presidency?
Vice President Biden your first

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issue you got a vice president?

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John C. Dvorak: I think you're
so underestimated when Barack

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Obama did He's the first man to
bring together the entire world

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196 nations to commit to deal
with climate change. I mean, you

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try to I don't buy that.

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Adam Curry: Interesting. There
was no reason for that is

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interesting. I don't buy that.
I'm by that and by what that. I

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think if this was an answer that
he had pre programmed in case,

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something something came up
about,

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John C. Dvorak: I've just
analyzed it. Go ahead. Here's

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what he brought that up because
somebody else had said

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something. And let's be the
first to do this or that. And

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then he's so Biden felt obliged
to the to Yes, exactly. And so

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his idol by that referred to
whoever it was that said

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something beforehand? Yeah. And
then he comes back to the

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question just these guys. You
know, there's always like they

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have to hold on to grudges that
other people said somebody that

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would didn't make any sense

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Adam Curry: held onto it right
into his answer. Yeah.

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John C. Dvorak: So you ended up
screwing up big time and he says

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the first thing he wants to do
when he's president is make sure

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Trump's out what I think you're
gonna just crazy. This is like

507
00:27:35,160 --> 00:27:38,250
the joke about Maxine Waters
saying when I'm elected

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President, I'm going to impeach
Trump.

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Adam Curry: But but to be fair
to Uncle Joe sleepy Joe. Peace.

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So, first, he says this about
the first thing I'll do. And

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then he doesn't say that. The
first thing I have to do is get

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rid of Trump. He says the what
we got to do is get rid of

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Trump.

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Unknown: The first The first
thing I would do is make sure

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that we defeat Donald Trump's

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Adam Curry: Yeah, I guess it was
a gaffe. It was no good. It was

517
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let's face it, Joe was no good.
He was just no good. He was in a

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different mode. He

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Unknown: you know, he has kind
of shook up earlier because

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Adam Curry: she she rattled him
rattled him severe right down to

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the teeth.

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Definitely.

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John C. Dvorak: Here's another
one that I got. Before I get to

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teens. This is Comala on Trump
as a threat.

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What is the greatest national
security threat to the United

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States? It's Donald Trump. And
I'm gonna tell you why. Because

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I agree climate change
represents an existential

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threat. He denies the science.
You want to talk about North

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Korea real threat in terms of
nuclear arsenal, but what does

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he do? He embraces Kim Jong Un,
a dictator for the sake of a

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photo op.

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Adam Curry: I want to say a few
things about Comala. Before we

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move on to the teens, she had a
fantastic line, which I think

534
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really got everyone's attention
and she actually is very expert

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at how she does things. She said
instead of a food fight. We

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don't want a food fight we want
while America's trying to put

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00:29:11,970 --> 00:29:16,800
food on the table was rehearsed
perfectly executed. She Yes.

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John C. Dvorak: Yeah, I'm not
gonna disagree. She threw that

539
00:29:19,650 --> 00:29:23,460
in there but it was totally
rehearsed. Yes. And she she goes

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in with the food fight food on
the table. This is the other

541
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thing. These guys and I
mentioned this in the

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newsletter. They are no I
mentioned it in the in the

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rundown, which is linked to in
the newsletter. All these guys

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went on and on about stuff like
the food fight, we want food on

545
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the table economy sucks. It's
only the stock market's doing

546
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well. Nobody owns stocks, and
we're all dying out here. And

547
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then that was like a big
problem. They all mentioned at

548
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the beginning of the debate. And
then when it came to the very

549
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end of the debate, they said,
What is your top priority? And

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without, without maybe one or
two little No, no, no real

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Adam Curry: climb? In a change,

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John C. Dvorak: climate change
climate change climate, was the

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economy so bad and people can't
put? He says food on the table.

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Don't you think that's a little
more important than, you know

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regulating carbon dioxide? Yes,

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Adam Curry: surely you didn't
take any of this seriously. The

557
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other thing I get very serious,
I take it seriously. The other

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thing I need to say is that
Kamala Harris is an outstanding

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storyteller. She has a way to
draw you in. Yeah, she's good.

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John C. Dvorak: I her I died.
She doesn't do too many of them.

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Everything's a story of what
you're supposed to do. I mean,

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Reagan was a master at this. And
she does it. I her stories to me

563
00:30:44,940 --> 00:30:46,440
seem like bullshit.

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Adam Curry: It's unimportant. If
they're bullshit or not, who

565
00:30:50,460 --> 00:30:54,900
cares? She tells a story and she
grabs I'm just analyzing the

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content is almost it's clearly
unimportant because they're all

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over the map themselves.

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John C. Dvorak: No, I agree.
Okay, let's go here, Liz. Here's

569
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a little angle on her that I
thought Brooks. This was, to me

570
00:31:05,730 --> 00:31:07,830
a new observation I never
thought of I didn't hear the

571
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quote before is Brooks on
Kumala.

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So David, whether it was Kamala
Harris or Pete Buda judge or you

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know, we lest we forget the
first night, when we had

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Elizabeth Warren, up there with
the others, were there

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candidates who significantly
help themselves in these

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00:31:24,420 --> 00:31:24,960
debates?

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Unknown: Yeah, I would say
Warren and Harris would be the

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two that what's interesting is
right now the the key fight is

579
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who's going to be the
progressive rival, who's going

580
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to be the progressive the face
for progressive side of the

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party, and Warren and sanders
and Harris are all vying for it.

582
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I think Warren and Harris did
particularly well. I've always

583
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thought Harris is going to be
the most formidable progressive,

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just because her whole life
going back to when she was a

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prosecutor. She's just a
forceful argue where she's, she

586
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says, I have an eye for an
enemy. I know I have to go after

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them. And that strikes me is
right for the mood of a lot of

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progressive and a lot of
Democrats.

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Adam Curry: I agree. I think
she's a force to be reckoned

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00:32:03,480 --> 00:32:06,600
with this just one thing that
has happened that that we need

591
00:32:06,600 --> 00:32:16,560
to highlight. Donald Trump Jr.
retweeted a tweet that targeted

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Kamala Harris's identity as
quote, not an American black.

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And now he has since I don't
know why, but he has since

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deleted this retweet, like a
little post a. It because this

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is a nightmare to the American
descendants of slavery. They are

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seeing Obama 2.0 literally the
same, not a drop of African

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American blood in either of
them. And what did they

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immediately confronted to what
is joy read hop on and what is

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birtherism 2.0? Another birther
racist, which will immediately

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stifle any debate about her
heritage, which is it she's

601
00:33:04,620 --> 00:33:08,040
using, so it's it shouldn't be
fair play. It should be fair

602
00:33:08,040 --> 00:33:09,270
play to talk about it.

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John C. Dvorak: But she jumped
in on this debate saying I'm the

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black one up here that I can do
this. I should talk about race

605
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because I am the one

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Adam Curry: Yes, exactly. But
you can't because then you're

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racist and it's a birtherism and
birtherism is a racist that oh

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my god, they're doing the same
to hurt they did do a bomb. Ah,

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except now it's blacks doing it.

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John C. Dvorak: Well, I have the
not a racist ISO, for your

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consideration. Wait a minute.
Okay,

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Adam Curry: I do not believe you
are a racist. That's not

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bad. That's not bad.

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John C. Dvorak: I'm just going
to teen panel. So don't get

615
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wrapped us up. All right. Okay,
this teen panel is the first

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take. And it starts off with a
confident analysis of the kids

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and then the one black girl on
there's two girls that are of

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color, but there's one is black.
And she hates Kamala. And she

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brings up some points that she
brings them up again after this

620
00:34:04,260 --> 00:34:09,810
clip. But she makes the points
that the A das would make. And

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this is a this is a serious,
something that has to be

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considered because the black
community is not going to come

623
00:34:16,140 --> 00:34:20,610
out in droves necessarily, if at
all to vote for her. And this

624
00:34:20,610 --> 00:34:24,570
needs to be realized by the by
apparently the I'm thinking the

625
00:34:24,570 --> 00:34:28,740
Democrats are just oblivious to
this. Oh, man.

626
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Adam Curry: It was a lively room
in here tonight. A lot of hot

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takes, and I'm going to ask for
them. Now guys, you've had a lot

628
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to say while we were watching
and I want those top line

629
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reactions right now what what
stood out about the candidates

630
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and what was your take on on the
debate overall tonight,

631
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especially compared with last
night

632
00:34:44,880 --> 00:34:48,030
was the Vice President Biden and
Senator Sanders both buckled

633
00:34:48,030 --> 00:34:50,070
under the pressure of being
front runners? You know, it

634
00:34:50,070 --> 00:34:51,930
seemed like when the heat really
got turned up on them, they

635
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could hold the route. And I
think that that's pretty big.

636
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You know, are they going to be
able to last in this field? And

637
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you know, for somebody like Vice
President Biden,

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00:34:59,880 --> 00:35:03,180
you If you know Kamala Harris
was pretty tough on him tonight,

639
00:35:03,480 --> 00:35:05,250
the President is going to be
tough on him in a general

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00:35:05,250 --> 00:35:06,870
election, is he going to be able
to handle that?

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John C. Dvorak: Speaking of
Kamala Harris, I felt that even

642
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though tonight a lot of the
candidates were able to come at

643
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Joe Biden for his controversial
past, I think that Kamala was

644
00:35:18,030 --> 00:35:22,290
able to benefit from people not
checking up on her particular

645
00:35:22,290 --> 00:35:27,600
paths, as she talked about her
role in regards to prison reform

646
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and immigration. I feel like
other candidates should have

647
00:35:30,660 --> 00:35:35,190
held her feet to the fire just
as they held Joe Biden to that

648
00:35:35,190 --> 00:35:37,590
standard, as well. So that
should be interesting to see

649
00:35:37,770 --> 00:35:40,680
what's going to happen in the
future. However, I do feel that

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she was able to make very strong
quotes that are going to be

651
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headliners. And from that people
aren't going to be under the

652
00:35:47,730 --> 00:35:50,850
impression that she quote
unquote, won this debate. I

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00:35:50,850 --> 00:35:52,050
however, don't think so.

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Adam Curry: Right now. She's
she's saying it in nice terms,

655
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actually. Very, very

656
00:35:56,910 --> 00:35:58,860
John C. Dvorak: pleasant. I just
brought it up again later. And

657
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she's bitches a little bit more
about her. But she does not like

658
00:36:01,260 --> 00:36:04,020
this woman. And that makes it
clear after a while, but she's,

659
00:36:04,260 --> 00:36:06,780
you know, these kids, or did
they get their shot at

660
00:36:06,780 --> 00:36:10,620
television? So let's listen to
this is teen panel to somebody

661
00:36:10,620 --> 00:36:11,880
who's making a good point?

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00:36:11,910 --> 00:36:14,370
Unknown: Yeah. I mean, you guys,
when I asked you about Joe

663
00:36:14,370 --> 00:36:18,330
Biden, before the debate, I
asked who was excited? Nobody

664
00:36:18,480 --> 00:36:23,640
raised their hands. What did his
performance tonight do to change

665
00:36:23,640 --> 00:36:24,570
your opinion of him?

666
00:36:25,140 --> 00:36:26,970
John C. Dvorak: He was a
distraction. I feel like the

667
00:36:26,970 --> 00:36:30,030
entire debate because a lot of
the candidates were just using

668
00:36:30,030 --> 00:36:33,210
their time to attack him and go
at him. And then he spent all of

669
00:36:33,210 --> 00:36:35,820
his time basically defending
themselves saying, Oh, this is

670
00:36:35,820 --> 00:36:38,730
what I did. This is what I did.
And he very rarely talks about

671
00:36:38,730 --> 00:36:41,190
what he actually planned to do.
There wasn't a lot of substance

672
00:36:41,190 --> 00:36:43,410
with that. That's why I was more
interested in some of the

673
00:36:43,410 --> 00:36:48,000
candidates like Pete Buttigieg.
And Andrew Yang, because they

674
00:36:48,000 --> 00:36:50,070
were just more focused on what
they were actually planning to

675
00:36:50,070 --> 00:36:52,320
do. And even though they didn't
get as many opportunities to

676
00:36:52,320 --> 00:36:55,710
speak as some of the headliners,
they actually use their time to

677
00:36:55,710 --> 00:36:56,970
explain what they plan to do.

678
00:36:58,470 --> 00:37:01,170
Adam Curry: Not very
inspirational. But by the way,

679
00:37:01,710 --> 00:37:05,280
as I went back and watched
pieces from the first debate,

680
00:37:05,670 --> 00:37:13,920
Julian Castro kept repeating
about the removal of section

681
00:37:13,920 --> 00:37:19,650
1325. From the Immigration Act.
Yeah. And I decided it was I

682
00:37:19,650 --> 00:37:23,370
don't know what what drove me.
Maybe my crazy no agenda had to

683
00:37:23,370 --> 00:37:28,620
look up what section 1325 is. It
is it is, you know, as you say,

684
00:37:28,620 --> 00:37:31,140
well, we need to decriminalize,
when you say decriminalize?

685
00:37:31,500 --> 00:37:35,190
Doesn't that sound kind of soft?
Like ah, you know, so make it a

686
00:37:35,190 --> 00:37:37,470
misdemeanor or something like
that

687
00:37:37,470 --> 00:37:39,420
John C. Dvorak: actually
decriminalized doesn't even

688
00:37:39,450 --> 00:37:41,550
misdemeanor is a criminal act.

689
00:37:42,420 --> 00:37:44,610
Adam Curry: Right? Well, so
Okay, so then he's being

690
00:37:44,610 --> 00:37:49,500
truthful, because section 1325
is the only section that sets

691
00:37:49,500 --> 00:37:52,680
forth the criminal offences
relating to proper improper

692
00:37:52,680 --> 00:37:57,450
entry into the United States,
which has the foreigner five

693
00:37:57,450 --> 00:38:03,360
year or I think $250,000 penalty
that's on the books. I mean, if

694
00:38:03,360 --> 00:38:07,170
you come in illegally, there is
a penalty. And he wants and it's

695
00:38:07,170 --> 00:38:10,710
a very short section, he wants
the whole section to be removed.

696
00:38:10,770 --> 00:38:14,580
Yeah, open borders, which is the
literal definition of open

697
00:38:14,580 --> 00:38:18,540
borders. And that's okay, that
you can have that opinion. But

698
00:38:18,540 --> 00:38:22,410
the one thing we've we've agreed
on you and I hear is you can't

699
00:38:22,410 --> 00:38:28,260
have open borders, and medical
health care for everybody who's

700
00:38:28,260 --> 00:38:32,940
here. And this is exactly what
they're saying. And every single

701
00:38:32,940 --> 00:38:36,000
one of them in the second
debate, put their hands up this

702
00:38:36,030 --> 00:38:40,590
should undocumented aliens have
healthcare.

703
00:38:41,279 --> 00:38:44,339
John C. Dvorak: Right. I mean,
what what nobody said because

704
00:38:44,339 --> 00:38:47,159
there's no moderates. Brooks
bitched about this, there's no

705
00:38:47,159 --> 00:38:50,609
moderate said to defend
themselves saying, look, look,

706
00:38:50,939 --> 00:38:56,699
which is what we heard a lot
from Biden, look, if you're

707
00:38:56,699 --> 00:39:01,109
going to have open borders,
which by the repeal of that act

708
00:39:01,139 --> 00:39:06,389
of that section section, I mean,
that means anyone with the worst

709
00:39:06,389 --> 00:39:10,469
kind of medical condition living
in southern Mexico and a farm

710
00:39:11,009 --> 00:39:15,539
would zoom up to the United
States for free medical care. I

711
00:39:15,539 --> 00:39:19,229
mean, we just invite the sickest
of the sick to come into the

712
00:39:19,229 --> 00:39:21,899
country to get free medical
care, because you're going to

713
00:39:21,899 --> 00:39:25,919
treat them. Does this make sense
to anybody as a good idea?

714
00:39:27,180 --> 00:39:28,230
Adam Curry: Apparently,

715
00:39:29,580 --> 00:39:31,980
John C. Dvorak: I mean, even
when I went to Canada to get

716
00:39:31,980 --> 00:39:36,810
some medical, get a flu shot,
some years back to go to their

717
00:39:36,840 --> 00:39:41,100
to their healthcare system. I
had to pay. Was it free? Yeah.

718
00:39:41,280 --> 00:39:43,740
You're not a Canadian. You have
to pay there's a card if you're

719
00:39:43,740 --> 00:39:47,040
a Canadian. Yeah, it's free. If
you're an American using their

720
00:39:47,040 --> 00:39:51,450
system, no, it's not free. You
pay it or at a normal rate, and

721
00:39:51,450 --> 00:39:54,930
they cost me 50 bucks or
something was not cheap. But the

722
00:39:54,930 --> 00:39:58,020
point is, is that no, they want
to give free everything to

723
00:39:58,020 --> 00:40:01,680
everybody and have open borders
at the same time. And nobody is

724
00:40:01,680 --> 00:40:05,580
calling them out on this. Just
as a quick as a as just

725
00:40:05,580 --> 00:40:06,300
impractical

726
00:40:06,390 --> 00:40:11,100
Adam Curry: as a quick addition
to Section 1325, subsection C,

727
00:40:11,100 --> 00:40:17,280
this pertains to Ilan Omar,
fresh Congresswoman, from where

728
00:40:17,280 --> 00:40:18,240
she from Wisconsin,

729
00:40:18,240 --> 00:40:19,470
John C. Dvorak: Somalia. Well,
that's

730
00:40:19,470 --> 00:40:21,870
Adam Curry: where she's from.
Now there's, there's ample

731
00:40:21,870 --> 00:40:26,340
evidence that she married her
brother to help him. Enter into

732
00:40:26,340 --> 00:40:29,610
the United States. Yeah, there's
plenty of evidence under

733
00:40:29,610 --> 00:40:33,180
Subsection C, any individual who
knowingly enters into a marriage

734
00:40:33,180 --> 00:40:36,150
for the purpose of evading any
provision of the immigration

735
00:40:36,150 --> 00:40:39,360
laws shall be imprisoned for not
more than five years or fined?

736
00:40:39,360 --> 00:40:45,690
Not more than $250,000 or both.
And she could go to jail. I wish

737
00:40:45,690 --> 00:40:48,600
she would. That'd be great. It'd
be good for the show. That's for

738
00:40:48,600 --> 00:40:52,860
sure. No, it'd be good for Yeah.
All right.

739
00:40:53,730 --> 00:40:55,680
John C. Dvorak: Okay, so here's
the final phenomena I've been

740
00:40:55,680 --> 00:40:58,170
asked to dominate, I got to ask
Adam segments, I'm gonna, this

741
00:40:58,170 --> 00:41:01,050
is going to be one of them. So
they're going to give us a

742
00:41:01,050 --> 00:41:03,780
rundown. This is the same they
did the last time who won the

743
00:41:03,780 --> 00:41:06,030
debates, but they're gonna make
it they're made it more

744
00:41:06,030 --> 00:41:11,430
interesting. They're gonna ask
the kids who if you combine both

745
00:41:11,430 --> 00:41:16,950
of these debates, who was the
winner? And I'm gonna ask you,

746
00:41:16,950 --> 00:41:18,660
what do you think the answer
was? Well, hold on a second.

747
00:41:19,740 --> 00:41:24,450
Unknown: As Adam, will he know,
Oh, really? Well, I don't know.

748
00:41:24,450 --> 00:41:25,890
But here we go.

749
00:41:28,350 --> 00:41:29,970
Adam Curry: Yeah, that's right.
You came to the right place. If

750
00:41:29,970 --> 00:41:31,740
you want to have answers to the
questions you ask because the

751
00:41:31,740 --> 00:41:33,360
ask Adam segment, what was your
question again?

752
00:41:35,340 --> 00:41:38,250
John C. Dvorak: Kids are going
to pick the winner of both

753
00:41:38,250 --> 00:41:41,610
debates. In other words, not one
or the other, but combined.

754
00:41:42,510 --> 00:41:46,560
Also, oh, who won the combined
debates?

755
00:41:47,340 --> 00:41:49,020
Adam Curry: And these kids are
how old?

756
00:41:49,920 --> 00:41:52,890
John C. Dvorak: They're all.
Janet like Jeff. Soft. I would

757
00:41:52,890 --> 00:41:54,330
say sophomores in college

758
00:41:55,440 --> 00:41:57,810
Adam Curry: level. Now is it
just gonna be one answer? I

759
00:41:57,810 --> 00:41:59,400
think the kids gonna have
different answers. And they're

760
00:41:59,400 --> 00:41:59,610
gonna

761
00:41:59,610 --> 00:42:01,650
John C. Dvorak: have waffle Of
course, no one's gonna give one

762
00:42:01,650 --> 00:42:03,690
answer, but they're going to
kind of beat around the bush.

763
00:42:03,690 --> 00:42:06,750
But there will be a conclusion
at the end and you'll hear it

764
00:42:06,780 --> 00:42:11,790
Adam Curry: I would think I
would think there would be more

765
00:42:11,790 --> 00:42:16,410
people interested than we might
surmise in Marianne Williamson,

766
00:42:16,890 --> 00:42:23,310
who I respect for being Irish.
Listen, look, let me cerimon No,

767
00:42:23,310 --> 00:42:26,520
I'm not gonna Theramin now even
I had to tweet out a funny video

768
00:42:26,520 --> 00:42:30,930
about her because it she really,
you know, she wasn't given any

769
00:42:30,930 --> 00:42:34,800
chance, no equal chance at all
horrible moderation. They just

770
00:42:34,800 --> 00:42:36,300
didn't give her anything they
should

771
00:42:36,300 --> 00:42:37,620
John C. Dvorak: have let her
talk more. That's what the

772
00:42:37,620 --> 00:42:40,080
Republicans want. They're the
ones supporting her. I pointed

773
00:42:40,080 --> 00:42:43,170
this on the newsletter, it turns
out that most of her support is

774
00:42:43,170 --> 00:42:47,250
coming from Republicans to keep
her on the debate stage. Kind of

775
00:42:47,250 --> 00:42:49,830
a chicken shit Dang. Funny.

776
00:42:50,040 --> 00:42:52,470
Adam Curry: Now she's a New York
Times bestselling author. I've

777
00:42:52,470 --> 00:42:55,950
listened to some of her some of
her motivational stuff and it's

778
00:42:55,980 --> 00:42:58,200
it's she's helped millions of
people

779
00:42:58,230 --> 00:42:59,460
John C. Dvorak: who listen to
these while you're in the

780
00:42:59,460 --> 00:43:01,590
bathtub with all those candles
all over the place.

781
00:43:01,620 --> 00:43:04,140
Adam Curry: That's right. I when
I told you, baby, that's exactly

782
00:43:04,140 --> 00:43:07,890
what he would say. And nailed
it. I'm just I said that's

783
00:43:07,920 --> 00:43:10,740
John's only response can be that
because you're an old

784
00:43:10,860 --> 00:43:16,590
misogynistic white guy. And I
give anybody who says I'm gonna

785
00:43:16,590 --> 00:43:21,420
run for president. She met the
criteria. She had 50,000 people

786
00:43:21,420 --> 00:43:24,150
who were on her list to the
million and a half dollars, I

787
00:43:24,150 --> 00:43:27,030
give her some respect for
standing there. And at least she

788
00:43:27,030 --> 00:43:30,480
had a different message and her
message was inspirational.

789
00:43:30,480 --> 00:43:34,440
Although she knew you can't give
your inspirational message in 60

790
00:43:34,440 --> 00:43:38,730
seconds. She has no chance but
out of respect for her and

791
00:43:38,730 --> 00:43:41,580
everyone out there you know your
massage. Not you John. Well, a

792
00:43:41,580 --> 00:43:44,460
little bit misogynistic asshole,
and you should be called out on

793
00:43:44,460 --> 00:43:47,370
it's making fun of her. She's a
witch. All that. Okay, great.

794
00:43:47,700 --> 00:43:50,670
Anyway, now let's listen. So I
would say that there's more

795
00:43:50,700 --> 00:43:54,270
interested in Marion Williams
Williamson than they think than

796
00:43:54,270 --> 00:43:59,910
we would expect. And I would say
Pete Buttigieg appeals to them

797
00:43:59,910 --> 00:44:00,630
the most

798
00:44:02,310 --> 00:44:05,070
Unknown: well, that's a good
guess. And it's probably wrong.

799
00:44:05,220 --> 00:44:06,000
Oh, very.

800
00:44:06,450 --> 00:44:09,420
So who won from both nights?
Let's start with you

801
00:44:09,570 --> 00:44:12,150
John C. Dvorak: know one on
Well, tonight no one won. But

802
00:44:12,210 --> 00:44:14,220
yesterday it was who Leon a
customer,

803
00:44:14,340 --> 00:44:16,980
Unknown: I think who Leon one
for both nights because he was

804
00:44:16,980 --> 00:44:20,250
actually to show his personality
and also his policy.

805
00:44:21,180 --> 00:44:23,370
John C. Dvorak: I think Castro
from last night definitely. But

806
00:44:23,370 --> 00:44:26,880
Kamala Harris for tonight. But I
would say overall probably

807
00:44:26,880 --> 00:44:28,470
Castro would prevail.

808
00:44:29,430 --> 00:44:31,170
Adam Curry: I think Secretary
Castro stands out.

809
00:44:32,250 --> 00:44:36,510
Unknown: Lex I thought Castro
did stand out. During the last

810
00:44:36,510 --> 00:44:39,390
debate. I also thought Elizabeth
Warren did a pretty good job.

811
00:44:40,350 --> 00:44:43,140
Between both nights I liked
Castro more just because I

812
00:44:43,140 --> 00:44:46,350
really wasn't expecting anything
out of him I guess you could say

813
00:44:46,350 --> 00:44:49,620
and he stood out during this
debate. Again. I thought Pete

814
00:44:49,620 --> 00:44:52,200
Buda judge did a great job. And
as I thought in his limited time

815
00:44:52,200 --> 00:44:53,760
speaking Andrew Yang did a good
job.

816
00:44:55,050 --> 00:44:57,690
Adam Curry: I actually think
Kamala Harris won both nuts at

817
00:44:57,690 --> 00:45:01,830
the debate. I think she showed
herself to be Be able to battle

818
00:45:01,830 --> 00:45:06,780
another politician for clearly
immoral policies in the past. I

819
00:45:06,780 --> 00:45:09,690
liked how she stood for
something very clearly. And I

820
00:45:09,690 --> 00:45:12,600
also liked that she was a very
strong speaker, She asserted

821
00:45:12,600 --> 00:45:15,270
herself. And that's something I
want to see in a presidential

822
00:45:15,450 --> 00:45:17,460
presidential candidate,
especially when they take on

823
00:45:17,460 --> 00:45:17,880
Trump.

824
00:45:18,750 --> 00:45:23,070
Yeah, surprising. I did not
expect Julianne to be such a

825
00:45:23,070 --> 00:45:28,830
front runner on almost swept.
And these are their 18 to 21

826
00:45:28,830 --> 00:45:29,640
year olds, that kind of

827
00:45:29,850 --> 00:45:33,780
John C. Dvorak: dreams. You're
probably too I'd say 20 years

828
00:45:33,780 --> 00:45:38,580
old. 20. Yeah. 2021 out down to
use any ATV freshmen in there,

829
00:45:38,580 --> 00:45:43,140
but could be there. You know,
they're in college types. Right.

830
00:45:45,000 --> 00:45:46,530
Okay. Well,

831
00:45:48,090 --> 00:45:48,870
Adam Curry: that's surprising.

832
00:45:48,900 --> 00:45:51,120
John C. Dvorak: Yeah, I think it
was great that you brought up

833
00:45:51,120 --> 00:45:54,360
that thing about the segment a
section of the law that he wants

834
00:45:54,360 --> 00:45:57,660
to repeal, which means he's an
open border guy. Totally. And

835
00:45:57,660 --> 00:45:59,940
they don't see these kids.

836
00:46:00,120 --> 00:46:01,740
Adam Curry: They don't they
don't see it. They don't see it

837
00:46:01,740 --> 00:46:03,720
yet. And then it probably see
that they don't know what

838
00:46:03,720 --> 00:46:07,050
section 13 This is why he's
saying section. Let's repeal

839
00:46:07,050 --> 00:46:10,950
section 1325. Six. No one is
like, Oh, whatever. I'm sure

840
00:46:10,950 --> 00:46:14,640
it's something where no one
looks up looks it up anymore. To

841
00:46:14,640 --> 00:46:17,310
like, that's why he's not saying
we should open our borders. That

842
00:46:17,310 --> 00:46:21,420
wouldn't work but to say repeal
section 1325. Ah, well, I'm all

843
00:46:21,420 --> 00:46:26,130
in with that sounds like math to
do it. Andrew Yang was bitching

844
00:46:26,130 --> 00:46:31,020
and moaning. And I think we need
to deconstruct all he does.

845
00:46:31,200 --> 00:46:35,100
Well, this is after this is him
speaking to his constituents.

846
00:46:35,790 --> 00:46:38,700
And there were also a few times
FYI, where I just started

847
00:46:38,700 --> 00:46:40,980
talking being like, Hey, I'd
like to add something there and

848
00:46:40,980 --> 00:46:44,190
my mic was not like they were

849
00:46:45,780 --> 00:46:48,120
talking like it all of a sudden
like takes over the Convo

850
00:46:49,530 --> 00:46:50,310
nothing's happening.

851
00:46:53,790 --> 00:46:57,360
A bit too. Yeah. Seems to be a
problem with Andrew Yang. And

852
00:46:57,360 --> 00:47:00,600
not just in the debate, but on
this clip, that he's you can't

853
00:47:00,600 --> 00:47:04,170
hear him. He's, uh, he claims
that his mic was turned off all

854
00:47:04,170 --> 00:47:07,980
big controversy, turning his mic
off. And I went back and I

855
00:47:07,980 --> 00:47:13,350
looked, it's, here's the way it
works. When someone is talking,

856
00:47:13,440 --> 00:47:17,340
the engineer brings down all the
other mics you have to you're

857
00:47:17,370 --> 00:47:20,490
not off what he was not caught
off by any means. I really

858
00:47:20,490 --> 00:47:23,490
analyze it. You have to bring
the mics down. Otherwise you're

859
00:47:23,490 --> 00:47:25,830
gonna hear you know, you're
gonna I almost said uh, you

860
00:47:25,830 --> 00:47:29,970
know, you're going to hear
Bernie Sanders. You're going to

861
00:47:29,970 --> 00:47:33,600
hear Joe Biden roar. So they
have to bring it down someone's

862
00:47:33,600 --> 00:47:37,830
talking. When you want you did
the perfect imitation of both of

863
00:47:37,830 --> 00:47:41,940
them. Thank you, I have to go
back and analyze that to do

864
00:47:41,940 --> 00:47:47,640
more. When you when you so
juillet brand understood it very

865
00:47:47,640 --> 00:47:51,420
well. You have to you have to
pipe up and then the audio

866
00:47:51,420 --> 00:47:54,240
engineer by oh crap and the
whole push your mic up. Andrew

867
00:47:54,240 --> 00:47:59,460
Yang raises his hand and goes Am
I know your mic is not off. It's

868
00:47:59,490 --> 00:48:03,600
your levels low because you have
no presence. Good point. And

869
00:48:03,600 --> 00:48:09,090
he's bitching about it. And then
Beto i Here's Beto, man, Beto is

870
00:48:09,090 --> 00:48:12,210
the best, he figured he'd go on
down to the border on the other

871
00:48:12,210 --> 00:48:16,590
side of the border and talk to
some of the asylum seekers who

872
00:48:16,590 --> 00:48:21,300
now are requested to stay in
Mexico while their request is

873
00:48:21,300 --> 00:48:26,820
processed, which is a good idea,
in my citizen opinion. And

874
00:48:27,120 --> 00:48:28,680
here's what a great idea.

875
00:48:28,980 --> 00:48:30,990
John C. Dvorak: And that's them,
put them in cages.

876
00:48:31,470 --> 00:48:34,530
Adam Curry: Oh, that's, that's a
good question. We should go see

877
00:48:34,530 --> 00:48:38,970
what kind of facilities they're
in. They're here is what he had

878
00:48:38,970 --> 00:48:39,630
to say to them.

879
00:48:39,660 --> 00:48:43,440
We've got to remember that they
are fleeing the deadliest

880
00:48:43,440 --> 00:48:47,130
countries on the face of the
planet today, compounded by

881
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drought that was caused not by
God, not by mother nature, but

882
00:48:52,620 --> 00:48:57,210
by us. manmade climate change
our emissions, our excesses, our

883
00:48:57,210 --> 00:48:59,910
inaction in the face of the
facts and the science when it is

884
00:48:59,910 --> 00:49:02,550
that deadly and when you're
unable to grow your own food to

885
00:49:02,550 --> 00:49:05,250
feed yourself. You have no
choice but to come here.

886
00:49:07,200 --> 00:49:08,430
Okay, now I get it.

887
00:49:08,700 --> 00:49:11,310
John C. Dvorak: You're living in
a shanty town outside of you

888
00:49:11,310 --> 00:49:15,720
know, some town in the middle of
nowhere, Guatemala. You're not

889
00:49:15,720 --> 00:49:18,780
growing your own food. Isn't
kidding. It's not everyone's a

890
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farmer

891
00:49:19,560 --> 00:49:21,450
Adam Curry: about like that. You
have no choice. You got to come

892
00:49:21,450 --> 00:49:24,480
here. Yeah, great. Choice. I'm

893
00:49:24,480 --> 00:49:27,000
John C. Dvorak: here. Yeah, you
got no choice because where else

894
00:49:27,000 --> 00:49:30,030
would you go? You can't go to
Uruguay. You can't go to

895
00:49:30,330 --> 00:49:33,330
Venezuela can't go to Colombia
where there's plenty of work.

896
00:49:33,750 --> 00:49:36,300
There's things to do there
Brazil? Well, you can't speak

897
00:49:36,300 --> 00:49:40,470
Portuguese necessarily. Chile I
mean, there's all kinds of South

898
00:49:40,470 --> 00:49:43,080
American countries once you hit
South instead of north to the

899
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English speaking America, which
makes no sense if you're Spanish

900
00:49:46,650 --> 00:49:52,230
speaking but okay. Just stay in
Mexico. Well, me cheese fury.

901
00:49:52,230 --> 00:49:56,010
This is outrageous. If you speak
Spanish and you're just bringing

902
00:49:56,010 --> 00:49:56,490
voters

903
00:49:56,490 --> 00:49:58,920
Adam Curry: in well, if Yeah, if
you speak Spanish and you watch

904
00:49:58,920 --> 00:50:02,070
us television from time, the
time that you watch CNN or

905
00:50:02,070 --> 00:50:05,520
MSNBC, it's on satellite. All
you see is our politician

906
00:50:05,520 --> 00:50:11,190
speaking Spanish. So it's time
to go. There was an interview

907
00:50:11,190 --> 00:50:17,700
with Stacey Abrams in this Metro
newspaper it was. And I would

908
00:50:17,700 --> 00:50:21,960
like to read one one question
and answer. Many people thought

909
00:50:21,960 --> 00:50:26,640
you would be running, is there
still a possibility? Her answer,

910
00:50:26,760 --> 00:50:31,680
eight? Is it still something I'm
considering? I have always said

911
00:50:31,680 --> 00:50:35,640
I want to, I think that
certainly the fall is the

912
00:50:35,640 --> 00:50:38,940
deadline for making a decision.
And that is what I'm looking at.

913
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But you know, I will say that I
will run if I believe there is

914
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value that I can add to the to
the debate and add to the

915
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contest. And if I believe I can
win, but I'm incredibly pleased

916
00:50:49,620 --> 00:50:52,320
with the caliber and quality of
the candidates we have now,

917
00:50:52,320 --> 00:50:56,310
which is why I haven't thrown my
name into the ring yet. She's

918
00:50:56,310 --> 00:50:58,380
running. It's running. Okay,

919
00:50:58,380 --> 00:50:59,460
John C. Dvorak: let her run, I
don't care.

920
00:50:59,490 --> 00:51:03,180
Adam Curry: She's gonna be
legendary. That'll be fantastic.

921
00:51:03,720 --> 00:51:06,210
John C. Dvorak: That means I
keep Hillary on the list. You

922
00:51:06,210 --> 00:51:09,090
You've given me the rationale to
keep Hillary on the list.

923
00:51:11,010 --> 00:51:12,450
Adam Curry: Right, Justice now,

924
00:51:12,810 --> 00:51:14,520
John C. Dvorak: while you're
rich, you're gonna bring her in

925
00:51:14,520 --> 00:51:16,830
there saying she's really
impressed with everything else.

926
00:51:16,830 --> 00:51:19,890
Listen to Van Jones whine about
the debates,

927
00:51:20,400 --> 00:51:24,930
man. Cedric, right, that this,
that this will not have an

928
00:51:24,930 --> 00:51:25,440
impact.

929
00:51:25,560 --> 00:51:28,050
You know, I don't I don't know.
But it's hard for me to imagine

930
00:51:28,050 --> 00:51:31,650
that it won't. We are now
sitting here with the Democratic

931
00:51:31,650 --> 00:51:34,860
front runner, having a
spokesperson trying to defend

932
00:51:34,860 --> 00:51:41,220
his comments on busing in 2019.
This is not good. Last night, I

933
00:51:41,220 --> 00:51:44,070
was happy, happy, happy because
I'm so proud to be a Democrat.

934
00:51:44,070 --> 00:51:47,910
Everybody's doing so great. If
you had told me three hours ago,

935
00:51:48,120 --> 00:51:50,730
that we will be sitting here
trying to figure out how the

936
00:51:50,730 --> 00:51:53,820
Congressional Black Caucus can
keep supporting Joe Biden, I

937
00:51:53,820 --> 00:51:55,860
would have said On what planet
is that but that's the planet

938
00:51:55,860 --> 00:51:59,790
that we're on. Doesn't these
debates matter? These debates

939
00:51:59,790 --> 00:52:05,880
matter. You got an ex I'm, I'm
hurt. I mean, I'm, I'm I love

940
00:52:05,880 --> 00:52:08,790
Joe Biden. I think a lot of
people love Joe Biden, Joe Biden

941
00:52:08,790 --> 00:52:12,600
stood by Barack Obama, and
defended him and made his case

942
00:52:12,600 --> 00:52:15,210
to people who didn't want to
listen to him. And that's who

943
00:52:15,210 --> 00:52:19,890
Joe Biden is to us. But there's
this. There's something else

944
00:52:19,890 --> 00:52:23,730
going on. And I think Nia Malika
was correct, which he said maybe

945
00:52:23,730 --> 00:52:26,610
he already thinks he's, he's,
well, he's already there, and

946
00:52:26,610 --> 00:52:28,740
didn't have to keep learning and
growing. We all have to keep

947
00:52:28,740 --> 00:52:31,560
learning and growing on women's
issues, on racial issues on

948
00:52:31,560 --> 00:52:33,780
immigration issues. That's the
whole point of the country. We

949
00:52:33,780 --> 00:52:36,630
try to become a more perfect
union together. And we need Joe

950
00:52:36,630 --> 00:52:40,140
to lead us they're not the drug
there. This is a bad night for

951
00:52:40,140 --> 00:52:41,520
Joe Biden's bad night for
Democrats.

952
00:52:42,150 --> 00:52:44,160
Adam Curry: Bad he should have
said bad night for democracy

953
00:52:44,970 --> 00:52:47,640
John C. Dvorak: to be rethought
it he would have.

954
00:52:48,930 --> 00:52:51,450
Adam Curry: Again, everyone
taking it all so seriously,

955
00:52:51,480 --> 00:52:56,160
except for the actual setup of
these debates. This is I think

956
00:52:56,160 --> 00:52:59,340
it's rude. The way they've done
it the What the It's a clown

957
00:52:59,340 --> 00:53:02,820
show. It was the same with the
Republicans when they had 20.

958
00:53:02,880 --> 00:53:06,120
What is it 1617 People, this
whole concept

959
00:53:06,210 --> 00:53:07,800
John C. Dvorak: is knock them
out faster than they could

960
00:53:08,010 --> 00:53:09,030
regroup.

961
00:53:09,060 --> 00:53:13,260
Adam Curry: Have we ever seen
this type of field where we have

962
00:53:13,260 --> 00:53:16,740
so many candidates in the
debates used to be run

963
00:53:16,740 --> 00:53:19,290
differently on television, I
believe it was the yellow, the

964
00:53:19,320 --> 00:53:23,520
yellow, the Women's League of
voters who ran it and then at a

965
00:53:23,520 --> 00:53:27,060
certain point, they got the
Women's League of voters were so

966
00:53:27,090 --> 00:53:30,720
pissed off with how the
Democrats and Republicans were

967
00:53:30,720 --> 00:53:33,510
manipulating to determine who
gets on stage. Forget it. If

968
00:53:33,510 --> 00:53:35,610
you're independent. Where's the
independent debate? Oh, I'm

969
00:53:35,610 --> 00:53:38,310
sorry. It doesn't exist. There
are plenty of independent

970
00:53:38,310 --> 00:53:43,260
candidates, Ronnie that they
left. They said screw it. We're

971
00:53:43,260 --> 00:53:46,440
not doing it anymore. Now it's
just purely run by the DNC and

972
00:53:46,440 --> 00:53:52,710
the RNC. This is this is really
a detractor to the democratic

973
00:53:52,710 --> 00:53:56,730
process. This is it's it's
soundbite shit.

974
00:53:57,960 --> 00:54:00,810
John C. Dvorak: It's not good.
And then the guys who run the

975
00:54:00,810 --> 00:54:05,670
the debates the moderators. I
got one. This is a gaffe, by the

976
00:54:05,670 --> 00:54:10,650
question. The questioner did one
of these new NBC guys, tell me

977
00:54:10,650 --> 00:54:17,490
if you can figure out what this
gaffe is that debates Gaff. Yep,

978
00:54:17,520 --> 00:54:17,880
got

979
00:54:18,180 --> 00:54:21,420
Unknown: the Obama Biden
administration deported more

980
00:54:21,420 --> 00:54:26,010
than 3 million Americans. My
question to you is if an

981
00:54:26,010 --> 00:54:28,680
individual is living in the
United States of America without

982
00:54:28,680 --> 00:54:33,420
documents and that is his only
offense, should that person be

983
00:54:33,420 --> 00:54:34,020
deported?

984
00:54:37,860 --> 00:54:42,060
Adam Curry: What is the Gasp
part? Why are you smacking your

985
00:54:42,060 --> 00:54:42,540
lips?

986
00:54:42,600 --> 00:54:44,490
John C. Dvorak: I guess the
timer I'm sure it's me speaking

987
00:54:44,490 --> 00:54:47,760
realism is supposed to be a
timer indicates not very well

988
00:54:47,760 --> 00:54:49,800
done. Yes, there's a gap in
there.

989
00:54:49,890 --> 00:54:51,930
Adam Curry: I mean, listen to
what the Obama Biden

990
00:54:51,930 --> 00:54:56,730
administration did, reported
more than 3 million Americans.

991
00:54:57,870 --> 00:55:03,090
I'm sorry. It took me a minute
to get out there. Yes. Yes,

992
00:55:03,120 --> 00:55:05,940
Americans aren't typically
deported from their own country

993
00:55:06,150 --> 00:55:11,880
kicked me know, took me a
moment. Give me a borderline for

994
00:55:11,880 --> 00:55:12,570
that that's worth

995
00:55:16,170 --> 00:55:17,820
John C. Dvorak: notice that
anybody caught that they were

996
00:55:17,820 --> 00:55:20,190
catching all these gaps, but
they never caught this gap

997
00:55:20,190 --> 00:55:24,330
because the Democrats in
particular, really think that

998
00:55:24,330 --> 00:55:28,290
these illegal immigrants, aliens
illegal aliens, as we used to

999
00:55:28,290 --> 00:55:33,330
call them are Americans. And
that's what there's a, there's a

1000
00:55:33,330 --> 00:55:37,110
thought process that goes on
that makes them think that yes,

1001
00:55:37,230 --> 00:55:44,040
did Obama deported 3 million
Americans? And so nobody even

1002
00:55:44,070 --> 00:55:46,320
took a second look at that at
that question.

1003
00:55:46,650 --> 00:55:49,140
Adam Curry: And it passed right
by me the first time to and of

1004
00:55:49,140 --> 00:55:51,990
course, I saw it during the
beta. I didn't I did not catch

1005
00:55:51,990 --> 00:55:57,810
it. Hmm. Well, it's it's there
you go. It's worked very well.

1006
00:55:59,730 --> 00:56:00,990
Yeah, I guess American

1007
00:56:00,990 --> 00:56:05,250
John C. Dvorak: by the way, that
was a question he read. Yeah,

1008
00:56:05,820 --> 00:56:09,570
America was written that way. To
him. It's all very subtle

1009
00:56:09,570 --> 00:56:10,320
propaganda.

1010
00:56:10,470 --> 00:56:13,500
Adam Curry: This is not them
subtle, but it's very effective

1011
00:56:13,500 --> 00:56:17,760
and very dangerous. Because we
definitely have slipped into the

1012
00:56:17,760 --> 00:56:21,210
loop to the to our minds that
everyone who lives here is an

1013
00:56:21,210 --> 00:56:25,920
American, that citizenship is a
different thing that may not

1014
00:56:25,920 --> 00:56:29,610
even be important. You're
American. Yeah, you're on the

1015
00:56:29,610 --> 00:56:30,720
back. Gotta play that one more
time,

1016
00:56:30,750 --> 00:56:33,900
Unknown: the Obama Biden
administration deported more

1017
00:56:33,900 --> 00:56:38,130
than 3 million Americans. My
question to you is,

1018
00:56:38,280 --> 00:56:42,180
Adam Curry: that's fantastic.
They're pre Americans, I would

1019
00:56:42,180 --> 00:56:42,480
say,

1020
00:56:43,260 --> 00:56:45,450
John C. Dvorak: No, they're not
even pre Americans necessarily.

1021
00:56:46,530 --> 00:56:49,320
Adam Curry: Yeah, that's kind of
sad that that not only does that

1022
00:56:49,320 --> 00:56:52,680
get said But lots of people
including myself, don't even

1023
00:56:52,680 --> 00:56:58,200
catch it is brainwashed and
brainwashed. We've been

1024
00:56:58,200 --> 00:57:00,210
brainwashed. I've been
brainwashed, brainwashed,

1025
00:57:00,360 --> 00:57:02,640
brainwashed. So I'm glad we do
the show. Nobody

1026
00:57:02,640 --> 00:57:04,800
John C. Dvorak: brought it up in
a the news stories I saw nobody

1027
00:57:06,060 --> 00:57:10,110
do go on off against Biden and
his, you know, the other gaff,

1028
00:57:10,110 --> 00:57:13,320
which was really, you know, kind
of just dubious. But they won't

1029
00:57:13,320 --> 00:57:15,870
mention this. And this is the
guys ran, they're reading it

1030
00:57:15,870 --> 00:57:16,560
like I said,

1031
00:57:18,420 --> 00:57:20,430
Adam Curry: they should. So that
should be that needs to be

1032
00:57:20,430 --> 00:57:28,140
called out. I mean, we just did
it but said, Okay,

1033
00:57:28,560 --> 00:57:31,620
John C. Dvorak: I got one other
thing. Maybe why? Well, this is

1034
00:57:31,620 --> 00:57:35,130
kind of a bunch slamming Trump
but slamming copulation.

1035
00:57:36,150 --> 00:57:37,260
Adam Curry: Has he been
slamming?

1036
00:57:38,100 --> 00:57:39,450
John C. Dvorak: It's just been
slamming Trump,

1037
00:57:39,750 --> 00:57:44,850
that Trump is a phony, that
Trump is a pathological liar,

1038
00:57:45,060 --> 00:57:50,400
and a racist, and that he lied
to the American people during

1039
00:57:50,400 --> 00:57:53,820
his campaign. He said he was
going to stand up for working

1040
00:57:53,820 --> 00:57:56,820
families. While President Trump
you're not standing up for

1041
00:57:56,820 --> 00:58:00,360
working families, when you're
trying to throw 32 million

1042
00:58:00,360 --> 00:58:04,890
people off the health care that
they have. And that 83% of your

1043
00:58:04,890 --> 00:58:09,660
tax benefits go to the top 1%
That's how we beat Trump. We

1044
00:58:09,660 --> 00:58:11,940
expose them for the fraud. That
is,

1045
00:58:12,150 --> 00:58:16,890
what does Donald Trump do? He
says go back to where you came

1046
00:58:16,890 --> 00:58:20,520
from, that is not reflective of
our America and our values and

1047
00:58:20,520 --> 00:58:24,690
Unknown: it's got to end. What
President Trump has done is not

1048
00:58:24,690 --> 00:58:27,930
only attack these children not
only demonize these immigrants,

1049
00:58:27,990 --> 00:58:32,070
he is attacking a basic
principle of America's moral

1050
00:58:32,070 --> 00:58:35,580
core. We open our hearts to the
stranger,

1051
00:58:35,700 --> 00:58:37,620
John C. Dvorak: but the worst
thing President Trump has done

1052
00:58:37,740 --> 00:58:41,370
he's diverted the funds away
from cross border terrorism,

1053
00:58:41,460 --> 00:58:44,550
cross border human trafficking,
drug trafficking, and gun

1054
00:58:44,550 --> 00:58:48,510
trafficking and he's given that
money to the for profit prisons.

1055
00:58:48,540 --> 00:58:52,050
President Obama I think did a
heck of a job to compare him to

1056
00:58:52,050 --> 00:58:56,640
what what this guy is doing is
absolutely I find immoral.

1057
00:58:57,060 --> 00:58:59,520
Adam Curry: This president
though for immigrants. There's

1058
00:58:59,520 --> 00:59:04,680
nothing he will not do to
separate a family cage a child

1059
00:59:04,830 --> 00:59:07,950
or a race their existence

1060
00:59:09,690 --> 00:59:12,870
John C. Dvorak: is nothing he
won't do. That's right. He cages

1061
00:59:12,900 --> 00:59:19,170
cages children and cages child
destroys what now? Quick, a cage

1062
00:59:19,170 --> 00:59:20,010
and put him in it.

1063
00:59:20,040 --> 00:59:22,140
Adam Curry: What I what I
missed, really, except for

1064
00:59:22,140 --> 00:59:26,520
Marianne Williamson. No one had
a visionary state but no one

1065
00:59:26,520 --> 00:59:30,690
that had something that no one
said our country. This is my my

1066
00:59:30,690 --> 00:59:36,420
main pet peeve. Yeah, it's it's
our country. Everyone says this

1067
00:59:36,420 --> 00:59:41,520
country was just do Where do you
live? Do you live here? It's our

1068
00:59:41,520 --> 00:59:44,970
country that anyone who says our
country gets high marks from me

1069
00:59:44,970 --> 00:59:48,600
and I and I'd be open to voting
for them. I can't vote and he

1070
00:59:48,600 --> 00:59:50,550
John C. Dvorak: used to be fine
to many of the Democratic Party.

1071
00:59:50,550 --> 00:59:52,530
And the other thing is somebody
pointed out there's no there was

1072
00:59:52,530 --> 00:59:54,600
not one American flag and the
whole set.

1073
00:59:55,830 --> 00:59:59,970
Adam Curry: Oh, that's another
good point. Hmm, was there an EU

1074
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:03,240
flag or a United Nations symbol

1075
01:00:03,240 --> 01:00:04,770
John C. Dvorak: or with these
guys?

1076
01:00:05,940 --> 01:00:08,550
Adam Curry: Well, what would
that I'd like to thank you for

1077
01:00:08,550 --> 01:00:11,640
your courage for watching all
that and making clips up and

1078
01:00:11,640 --> 01:00:14,610
let's say in the morning to the
man who put the sea in America

1079
01:00:14,610 --> 01:00:18,720
can sit the sand John C. Dvorak
and Mr.

1080
01:00:18,720 --> 01:00:20,430
John C. Dvorak: Newman Shannon
Korean organize trips to see

1081
01:00:20,430 --> 01:00:22,380
Bucha De Graaff in the suburbs
of the world and all the dames

1082
01:00:22,380 --> 01:00:23,070
nights out in the

1083
01:00:23,070 --> 01:00:26,340
Adam Curry: morning to the troll
room, no agenda stream.com. And

1084
01:00:27,990 --> 01:00:30,570
it's a good place to hang out
during show times. And there's

1085
01:00:30,570 --> 01:00:33,720
lots of shows that are running
on no agenda. stream.com So you

1086
01:00:33,720 --> 01:00:36,750
control all of them. It's great,
you know, we don't care, we want

1087
01:00:36,750 --> 01:00:40,440
you to come in and troll. No
agenda stream.com. Also, in the

1088
01:00:40,440 --> 01:00:46,080
morning to our artists for
episode 11 501 1150 episodes.

1089
01:00:46,920 --> 01:00:53,070
This is bear asked Godzilla, who
I do not believe has a chosen

1090
01:00:53,070 --> 01:00:56,880
artwork in the ranks. He has put
in some artwork previously,

1091
01:00:57,150 --> 01:01:01,380
where she and this was based
upon the first democratic

1092
01:01:01,380 --> 01:01:07,710
debate. It was the the dot dot
dot dummies for et cetera book

1093
01:01:07,710 --> 01:01:14,220
series made two basic Spanish
for Democrats. And it got a lot

1094
01:01:14,250 --> 01:01:16,320
of laughs He's very funny.

1095
01:01:16,350 --> 01:01:21,240
It's, it's a classic. It's a
classic take has been, I think

1096
01:01:21,240 --> 01:01:24,000
the dummies books. Are they
still? Are they still as big as

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01:01:24,000 --> 01:01:24,900
they used to be? No,

1098
01:01:25,529 --> 01:01:27,599
John C. Dvorak: they're still
there. Yeah, new ones all

1099
01:01:27,600 --> 01:01:33,870
Adam Curry: the time. The new is
fantastic. So Bear, as Godzilla

1100
01:01:33,870 --> 01:01:35,910
nailed it with that when there
was just you know, we had a

1101
01:01:35,910 --> 01:01:40,020
couple couple of faves. But this
is like, you gotta use this now.

1102
01:01:40,380 --> 01:01:43,200
And I think that, in general,
everyone who saw that got a good

1103
01:01:43,200 --> 01:01:45,780
chuckle out of it. So thank you
very much bear asked Godzilla.

1104
01:01:46,050 --> 01:01:50,160
And you can see all the artwork,
art, or artists and some people

1105
01:01:50,160 --> 01:01:52,920
are just amateurs and not
professionals. Anyone can

1106
01:01:52,920 --> 01:01:56,130
participate. Go to no agenda,
art generator.com. You can

1107
01:01:56,130 --> 01:01:58,380
upload an image, we have
templates that overlay stuff, so

1108
01:01:58,380 --> 01:02:02,490
you don't have to do a ton of
Photoshop work. It's a lot of

1109
01:02:03,060 --> 01:02:06,480
works, kind of imagine you
probably do automagically about

1110
01:02:06,480 --> 01:02:09,510
what the templates are there.
And it's it's a fantastic

1111
01:02:09,510 --> 01:02:14,100
resource. We're up to over
13,000 pieces of art, much more

1112
01:02:14,130 --> 01:02:17,040
than we have in episodes.
There's a lot of fun stuff to

1113
01:02:17,040 --> 01:02:19,950
see no agenda, art generated.com
Thank you again, to all who

1114
01:02:19,950 --> 01:02:25,050
participate. And as is the same
with our producers. We don't

1115
01:02:25,050 --> 01:02:27,510
have listeners, we have a value
for value network. We have

1116
01:02:27,540 --> 01:02:30,600
producers who support the show
in many ways. We like to

1117
01:02:30,600 --> 01:02:33,480
highlight just like Hollywood,
our executive producers and

1118
01:02:33,480 --> 01:02:36,210
Associate Executive Producers
upfront, because they actually

1119
01:02:36,210 --> 01:02:38,370
finance to finance this episode.

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01:02:39,690 --> 01:02:42,000
John C. Dvorak: Yes. And at the
top of the list today,

1121
01:02:42,000 --> 01:02:47,580
surprisingly, at least to me.
Out of the blue. Yeah, anonymous

1122
01:02:47,580 --> 01:02:53,370
lesbian. Oh, she's back, jumps
to the top with a $341 donation

1123
01:02:53,370 --> 01:02:55,170
because she decides to become a
dame.

1124
01:02:55,710 --> 01:02:58,770
Adam Curry: Wow. And we thought
we thought she'd gone overboard.

1125
01:02:58,770 --> 01:03:00,120
We thought she was lost, didn't
we?

1126
01:03:00,240 --> 01:03:03,870
John C. Dvorak: Well, she shows
this shows up every script.

1127
01:03:03,870 --> 01:03:04,170
She's,

1128
01:03:04,410 --> 01:03:07,110
Adam Curry: she's good. She
likes you. And she always

1129
01:03:07,110 --> 01:03:11,100
communicates with you and me
what good does that mean? He

1130
01:03:11,100 --> 01:03:13,890
likes me and she's got a thing
for you. I think she has a thing

1131
01:03:13,920 --> 01:03:15,150
for you. Oh, good. Oh,

1132
01:03:16,110 --> 01:03:19,470
John C. Dvorak: yeah, I think
she's the best. Here's my annual

1133
01:03:19,470 --> 01:03:23,310
birthday present to myself. She
says of a producer ship to the

1134
01:03:23,310 --> 01:03:27,360
BP itu. She's done that a couple
of times. As you know, I also

1135
01:03:27,360 --> 01:03:29,640
have a subscription. And that
combined with this donation

1136
01:03:29,640 --> 01:03:32,340
means it's finally time that I
take my place at the round

1137
01:03:32,340 --> 01:03:39,780
table. Yes. I will be known as
Dame anonymous lesbian X. It's a

1138
01:03:39,780 --> 01:03:43,680
stretch but we'll take it. Thank
you for all you do to keep me

1139
01:03:43,680 --> 01:03:49,350
sane. Thank you. And she then
she says I have no idea

1140
01:03:49,350 --> 01:03:55,200
underlined how I would stay sane
without you. Sincerely anonymous

1141
01:03:55,200 --> 01:04:00,570
lesbian. And it's a card from
Canadian card that says she was

1142
01:04:00,570 --> 01:04:05,700
funny. She's wrote into it
upside down. Some couch and

1143
01:04:05,700 --> 01:04:08,910
sweaters couch and knitting was
developed by the couch in First

1144
01:04:08,910 --> 01:04:12,120
Nations. I'm actually familiar
with these sweaters. I know

1145
01:04:12,120 --> 01:04:13,650
Adam Curry: she in the knitting
community.

1146
01:04:14,250 --> 01:04:16,380
John C. Dvorak: I don't know
maybe because they ally knows

1147
01:04:16,380 --> 01:04:18,180
that she maybe she's a fan of
the sweaters.

1148
01:04:18,210 --> 01:04:20,190
Adam Curry: You know, there's a
big controversy in the knitting

1149
01:04:20,190 --> 01:04:24,210
community. About the sweaters.
No, no, no about anyone who

1150
01:04:24,210 --> 01:04:28,080
supports Trump. They get they
get kicked out of the it's true.

1151
01:04:28,170 --> 01:04:31,470
That's true. True team has been
following this. This is the

1152
01:04:31,470 --> 01:04:35,190
knitting community, the knitting
community, to kicking people and

1153
01:04:35,220 --> 01:04:39,030
for kicking people out for not
denouncing him. You have to

1154
01:04:39,030 --> 01:04:42,690
denounce it denounce Yes, yeah,
the knitting community getting

1155
01:04:42,690 --> 01:04:45,780
all up in the grill. So does she
want to think for the roundtable

1156
01:04:45,810 --> 01:04:46,530
the Ananya

1157
01:04:46,890 --> 01:04:48,990
John C. Dvorak: she mentioned
nothing but maybe we should draw

1158
01:04:49,170 --> 01:04:51,360
this sweater she can't eat so I
don't know she get a free

1159
01:04:51,360 --> 01:04:54,990
sweater. No, she did not mention
anything for the roundtable. And

1160
01:04:54,990 --> 01:04:57,330
so we'll just assume she's happy
with what there's what's there

1161
01:04:57,330 --> 01:04:58,260
already? Okay, well,

1162
01:04:58,260 --> 01:05:01,350
Adam Curry: I have hookers and
blow and and some rent boys and

1163
01:05:01,350 --> 01:05:05,790
Chardonnay on Oh, she wants
that. Oh, I'll have a nice

1164
01:05:05,790 --> 01:05:07,110
little selection ready for her.

1165
01:05:08,009 --> 01:05:10,259
John C. Dvorak: Good. Anyway,
congratulations to her. Thank

1166
01:05:10,260 --> 01:05:12,270
Adam Curry: you very much. I'll
see you at the ceremony. She

1167
01:05:12,270 --> 01:05:14,400
John C. Dvorak: is sincere. She
is like I know what she does for

1168
01:05:14,400 --> 01:05:17,640
a living and she's in a
community of artists that will

1169
01:05:17,640 --> 01:05:20,370
be good byes will be in the
knitting community. Thank

1170
01:05:20,370 --> 01:05:22,440
Adam Curry: you for pointing
that out. I know that we're not

1171
01:05:22,470 --> 01:05:27,060
going to say what but we know
what she does. And when she says

1172
01:05:27,090 --> 01:05:30,000
I don't know how I'd stay sane
without you I think she really

1173
01:05:30,000 --> 01:05:32,760
means you John, but maybe the
show I think

1174
01:05:32,760 --> 01:05:36,360
John C. Dvorak: the show it's
really the show because we break

1175
01:05:36,360 --> 01:05:38,940
break down stuff that she's
hearing all the time in this

1176
01:05:38,940 --> 01:05:44,340
community of, of artists and
it's not it's just unpleasant to

1177
01:05:44,340 --> 01:05:48,180
be around these these people
that have these swollen

1178
01:05:48,180 --> 01:05:51,870
amygdalas and they hate Trump
more than they love their work.

1179
01:05:52,200 --> 01:05:55,410
Adam Curry: And if you ask me
that's the stuff I get up for in

1180
01:05:55,410 --> 01:05:59,850
the morning. If I can hear once
during each show someone says

1181
01:05:59,850 --> 01:06:03,060
you keep me saying you keep me
going because of what you do.

1182
01:06:03,570 --> 01:06:12,000
That's that's why I'm still here
and I'm yeah John's apparently

1183
01:06:12,780 --> 01:06:14,940
John C. Dvorak: no I'm I'm
looking for the other card which

1184
01:06:14,940 --> 01:06:17,610
I move Oh no. You can around Oh
no.

1185
01:06:17,670 --> 01:06:20,010
Adam Curry: Oh, no. Thank you
anonymous lesbian. We will see

1186
01:06:20,010 --> 01:06:23,340
you as I said at the roundtable
we are $341 donation anonymous

1187
01:06:23,340 --> 01:06:25,830
in Virginia is next our second
executive

1188
01:06:25,830 --> 01:06:28,620
John C. Dvorak: producer
anonymous in Virginia. Wink

1189
01:06:28,620 --> 01:06:32,820
wink. Hopefully we don't know if
it's really important Virginia

1190
01:06:32,820 --> 01:06:36,990
money or not but 300 bucks on
another card coincidentally two

1191
01:06:36,990 --> 01:06:42,510
cards this one here shows a some
Renoir nada Renoir but forgot to

1192
01:06:42,510 --> 01:06:44,610
go did all the paintings of the
ballerinas

1193
01:06:45,660 --> 01:06:47,550
Adam Curry: mostly Matisse was
Matisse.

1194
01:06:48,600 --> 01:06:49,770
John C. Dvorak: Another
ballerina guide.

1195
01:06:50,370 --> 01:06:51,690
Adam Curry: The ballerina guy,

1196
01:06:52,650 --> 01:06:55,770
John C. Dvorak: did pastels but
anyway, so Tyson's should know

1197
01:06:55,800 --> 01:06:59,490
you shouldn't please keep me in
who you should know. Know

1198
01:06:59,490 --> 01:07:02,700
somebody in the chat room should
know you think? I do know I just

1199
01:07:02,730 --> 01:07:05,910
for some reason it can't come
doesn't come to me. Please keep

1200
01:07:05,910 --> 01:07:08,790
up the please keep me anonymous.
Thank you for your hard work.

1201
01:07:08,790 --> 01:07:13,140
Imagine this is how Trump picks
up called comely blondes for his

1202
01:07:13,140 --> 01:07:15,210
rallies. Just give me

1203
01:07:15,210 --> 01:07:17,700
Adam Curry: thinking Monet. Is
that who you're thinking? No,

1204
01:07:17,730 --> 01:07:20,340
John C. Dvorak: it's not Monet.
Monet was he does the ballerinas

1205
01:07:24,270 --> 01:07:27,540
Okay, I am going to take it.
We're gonna go check the book

1206
01:07:27,540 --> 01:07:32,310
and knowledge. Or I'm gonna
actually check it. Degas I'll

1207
01:07:32,310 --> 01:07:33,240
arene

1208
01:07:33,870 --> 01:07:38,460
Adam Curry: Edgar Degas day
gosh, thank you troll room.

1209
01:07:38,910 --> 01:07:41,340
John C. Dvorak: I knew somebody
in there would know. He did

1210
01:07:41,340 --> 01:07:44,130
mostly pastels and he did a few
oils been mostly pistols of

1211
01:07:44,130 --> 01:07:46,830
these ballerinas. He used to
hang out everyone call him a

1212
01:07:47,340 --> 01:07:51,300
horny old fart that would go and
go hang out with ballerinas in

1213
01:07:51,300 --> 01:07:55,710
the rehearsal rooms and just do
drawings of all these little

1214
01:07:55,710 --> 01:07:56,310
girls and

1215
01:07:56,310 --> 01:07:59,610
Adam Curry: now it's considered
fine arts of the centuries with

1216
01:07:59,640 --> 01:08:00,840
John C. Dvorak: that's
considered fine art. But now

1217
01:08:00,840 --> 01:08:02,790
it's pedophilia. Okay, you

1218
01:08:02,790 --> 01:08:03,960
Adam Curry: can't look at it
anymore. Got it?

1219
01:08:04,110 --> 01:08:06,450
John C. Dvorak: So anyway, so
this is how Chinese got a

1220
01:08:06,450 --> 01:08:10,170
picture here. It's a pretty
funny card actually. And he says

1221
01:08:10,170 --> 01:08:13,320
things and that's that so he's
in for 300 Now you want to thank

1222
01:08:13,320 --> 01:08:17,100
you thank you very much. He got
highlighters night but I don't

1223
01:08:17,100 --> 01:08:18,180
think he is. No, he's

1224
01:08:18,180 --> 01:08:19,920
Adam Curry: not highlighted. Oh,
it

1225
01:08:19,920 --> 01:08:20,640
John C. Dvorak: is on mine.

1226
01:08:20,670 --> 01:08:25,890
Adam Curry: No. It's gray. Gray
means note. Blue means

1227
01:08:26,010 --> 01:08:27,210
knighthood or Daming.

1228
01:08:27,450 --> 01:08:34,200
John C. Dvorak: Okay, JMS comes
in next. That is a JH $203.20.

1229
01:08:34,200 --> 01:08:40,080
He says be Associate Executive
Producer. I just want to open by

1230
01:08:40,080 --> 01:08:42,840
saying how much I appreciate the
show and the job you guys do to

1231
01:08:42,840 --> 01:08:47,820
deconstruct media BS. I'm long
overdue for contribution. I am

1232
01:08:47,820 --> 01:08:50,610
ending my Amazon Prime
subscription this month and now

1233
01:08:50,610 --> 01:08:56,520
can afford to put you guys on
the dole. However, I have one

1234
01:08:56,520 --> 01:08:57,360
complaint.

1235
01:08:57,840 --> 01:09:00,660
Adam Curry: Oh, I know who this
is. Yeah, yeah. Oh, I

1236
01:09:00,660 --> 01:09:03,150
John C. Dvorak: have one
complaint. When experts right

1237
01:09:03,150 --> 01:09:08,400
into this shows you refuse to
review your BS. Maybe you should

1238
01:09:08,400 --> 01:09:14,070
have a difference response then
blocking them. I'm not going to

1239
01:09:14,070 --> 01:09:19,110
comment on it further. That
said, attached find my donation

1240
01:09:19,110 --> 01:09:24,210
of 230 dot 20 For stodgy old
DeVore ex early retirement fund.

1241
01:09:26,220 --> 01:09:28,410
Just kidding. He said he says
not kidding.

1242
01:09:28,590 --> 01:09:30,660
Adam Curry: No, he's not. He's
not he's he's given half of it

1243
01:09:30,660 --> 01:09:33,390
to my retirement fund. He says
$150

1244
01:09:33,390 --> 01:09:36,510
John C. Dvorak: point one for
each of you as a white male age

1245
01:09:36,510 --> 01:09:40,080
30 With postgraduate degree in
environmental science. Oh, I

1246
01:09:40,080 --> 01:09:44,070
know who this is to. I'm looking
for a job in STEM, and it could

1247
01:09:44,070 --> 01:09:50,610
use some help as the algorithms
conspire against me. Hey, please

1248
01:09:50,610 --> 01:09:55,080
no agenda show spread your magic
and help me to glitch the algos

1249
01:09:55,110 --> 01:09:59,550
thrust open the climate gates
and let me in single request

1250
01:09:59,550 --> 01:10:03,330
follow the Eligos climate gate
jobs karma. Okay.

1251
01:10:04,170 --> 01:10:06,240
Adam Curry: Yeah. So

1252
01:10:07,500 --> 01:10:10,830
yeah, this he followed up with
me so we don't have to talk much

1253
01:10:10,830 --> 01:10:14,760
about it. But he wrote an email
and this he needs a deducing

1254
01:10:14,760 --> 01:10:17,970
actually because he's never he's
never donated before, which was

1255
01:10:17,970 --> 01:10:24,000
how he started his initial his
initial email to you, but people

1256
01:10:24,000 --> 01:10:30,450
have to understand that a lot of
how people send notes to us when

1257
01:10:30,450 --> 01:10:34,170
they have an a correction or

1258
01:10:34,200 --> 01:10:36,420
John C. Dvorak: you have a down
you'd have to get you even have

1259
01:10:36,420 --> 01:10:37,530
their voices down.

1260
01:10:37,920 --> 01:10:40,590
Adam Curry: But I'm not going to
do it in this case, because the

1261
01:10:40,590 --> 01:10:44,910
text the way he just wrote it
was just, it was just rude. You

1262
01:10:44,910 --> 01:10:45,900
know? And then a follow

1263
01:10:45,900 --> 01:10:47,850
John C. Dvorak: up, you have to
note and then No, not in this

1264
01:10:47,850 --> 01:10:48,420
note, no, no,

1265
01:10:48,450 --> 01:10:50,700
Adam Curry: no in the note, and
then a follow up, after you

1266
01:10:50,700 --> 01:10:54,630
said, hey, you know, screw this
don't follow up, then it's like,

1267
01:10:54,720 --> 01:10:59,280
I can see Sorry, your your D
platforming from PC Magazine has

1268
01:10:59,280 --> 01:11:02,670
you all up in arms? You know,
it's really, really, really

1269
01:11:02,670 --> 01:11:06,900
rude, hurtful things. And I
don't know, it's an approach.

1270
01:11:07,410 --> 01:11:10,800
And, you know, like everybody,
you can catch someone with an

1271
01:11:10,800 --> 01:11:14,130
approach and it's just you come
off as a dick and patronizing

1272
01:11:14,130 --> 01:11:18,180
and really, over something quite
minut. Other than that,

1273
01:11:18,540 --> 01:11:22,950
apparently, there's an entire
community Surprise, surprise of

1274
01:11:22,980 --> 01:11:26,040
Earth scientists who disagree
with your mud flats theory,

1275
01:11:26,040 --> 01:11:28,710
because that's ultimately what
this whole thing was about.

1276
01:11:29,460 --> 01:11:32,730
John C. Dvorak: Yeah, he claimed
that the mud flats are always

1277
01:11:32,730 --> 01:11:36,750
here because of a buildup of
silt. And it's doesn't mean

1278
01:11:36,750 --> 01:11:40,440
anything that apparently the
water's going way up. Although

1279
01:11:40,440 --> 01:11:44,550
there I pointed out to him that
there is a roadway right next to

1280
01:11:44,550 --> 01:11:48,930
the mud flats that's not going
up because of silt. It's not

1281
01:11:48,930 --> 01:11:50,130
built on ground.

1282
01:11:51,270 --> 01:11:54,330
Adam Curry: Well, you didn't you
didn't get he was his reply to

1283
01:11:54,330 --> 01:11:57,510
that because he had graphs and
charts. And I know he had graphs

1284
01:11:57,510 --> 01:12:01,230
and charts and showed how that
how it's increased one

1285
01:12:01,230 --> 01:12:04,830
millimeter per year, for the
last 60 years. And I actually

1286
01:12:04,830 --> 01:12:08,130
got into it with him after you
blocked him, like, hey, how do

1287
01:12:08,130 --> 01:12:11,610
you measure that? How do you
measure one millimeter of the

1288
01:12:11,610 --> 01:12:16,380
mudflat? Sea level or whatever?
And his reply was, I'm not quite

1289
01:12:16,380 --> 01:12:18,390
sure what instrument they use,
but they've been doing this in

1290
01:12:18,390 --> 01:12:21,390
1800s. That's when that's when
my eyes glaze over. It's like,

1291
01:12:21,420 --> 01:12:26,820
Fine. How do you make satellites
Space Force? I don't know. It's

1292
01:12:26,820 --> 01:12:31,200
fine. But what regardless, we're
wrong. You're wrong. You're old,

1293
01:12:31,230 --> 01:12:34,980
you're full of shit. And here's
$230 Thank you very much it

1294
01:12:34,980 --> 01:12:39,300
somehow that's that's how this
all ended. It was very sad. The

1295
01:12:39,300 --> 01:12:46,440
magic ultimately a very sad, sad
ending to this said. I don't

1296
01:12:46,440 --> 01:12:48,570
like the way that you block
people on Twitter. Okay, but

1297
01:12:48,570 --> 01:12:53,670
when you block someone on email,
if that is also very harsh, just

1298
01:12:53,670 --> 01:12:54,570
don't respond.

1299
01:12:54,840 --> 01:12:58,440
John C. Dvorak: Now. Here's the
thing. I get too much email. So

1300
01:12:58,440 --> 01:13:01,710
I don't need the aggravation.
And I don't respond, you still

1301
01:13:01,710 --> 01:13:04,290
see the email, you'll open it
because it's got an interesting

1302
01:13:04,290 --> 01:13:11,610
title. I don't like getting a
bunch of stuff that is just not

1303
01:13:11,850 --> 01:13:15,090
something I'm interested. I'm
not interested in it. And I'm

1304
01:13:15,090 --> 01:13:18,120
not interested in constantly
being harangued by certain

1305
01:13:18,120 --> 01:13:21,750
people. Were email email you
this starts coming in if

1306
01:13:21,750 --> 01:13:23,910
especially we respond once you
know the next thing, you know,

1307
01:13:23,910 --> 01:13:27,240
you got another another another,
you get into a dialogue. I do

1308
01:13:27,240 --> 01:13:30,090
not like a dialogue by email.
I'm not interested.

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01:13:30,120 --> 01:13:33,510
Adam Curry: I usually tell
people I don't I don't argue for

1310
01:13:33,510 --> 01:13:37,320
free with people on email or
Twitter as I do a show. And

1311
01:13:37,320 --> 01:13:40,590
that's where we try to do our
best work. And it's like, I'm

1312
01:13:40,590 --> 01:13:43,980
not here for your enjoyment.
Just email me back. And I love

1313
01:13:43,980 --> 01:13:46,890
hearing from people who are
smarter than me. But an actual

1314
01:13:46,920 --> 01:13:48,270
you can't have an argument.

1315
01:13:48,480 --> 01:13:50,640
John C. Dvorak: You send emails
to read today that people that

1316
01:13:50,640 --> 01:13:52,650
are smarter than than me Are you

1317
01:13:52,680 --> 01:13:55,530
Adam Curry: well, first, let's
take care of this and we totally

1318
01:13:55,530 --> 01:13:57,840
appreciate that you that he
donated because that would be

1319
01:13:57,840 --> 01:14:00,960
the first thing it's like,
you've gone through college. You

1320
01:14:00,960 --> 01:14:05,430
have the Master's Sorry, I had
no money to donate. Uh huh. So

1321
01:14:05,490 --> 01:14:08,100
he donated and that's
appreciated. It's not it doesn't

1322
01:14:08,100 --> 01:14:13,950
fix everything. But thank you
very much. Here's what you do

1323
01:14:13,980 --> 01:14:14,340
deed do

1324
01:14:15,030 --> 01:14:18,720
John C. Dvorak: those elders
following the algos, algos or

1325
01:14:18,720 --> 01:14:25,140
the algo. Following the algos,
the L DOS, l goes to the gate to

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01:14:25,140 --> 01:14:25,230
the

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01:14:27,000 --> 01:14:35,340
jobs, jobs, jobs and jobs let's
move on. Carmack

1328
01:14:39,060 --> 01:14:42,240
There we go. There you go. It's
all good.

1329
01:14:42,570 --> 01:14:45,330
Adam Curry: I guess I guess what
he the main thing just to finish

1330
01:14:45,330 --> 01:14:48,810
this up is that he's been trying
to play to get to hit people in

1331
01:14:48,810 --> 01:14:52,980
the mouth at his university or
his job wherever he is. It's

1332
01:14:53,010 --> 01:14:57,300
earth scientist. And and yeah,
he's he's able to turn everybody

1333
01:14:57,300 --> 01:15:00,750
on to different podcast but
never ours because of mud flats

1334
01:15:00,750 --> 01:15:04,260
segment and yeah, and and if
he's rolled crap and it's worse

1335
01:15:04,260 --> 01:15:07,020
and if he's wrong about the mud
flats How can we believe what he

1336
01:15:07,020 --> 01:15:09,570
says about 5g? Right?

1337
01:15:09,720 --> 01:15:13,410
John C. Dvorak: Ah, yeah, yes
logic. Yeah. Anyway, so I know

1338
01:15:13,410 --> 01:15:16,230
I'm looking at him she Yeah,
they're still there. Anyway,

1339
01:15:16,800 --> 01:15:21,120
thank you very much Jeremy every
single reason rising Okay,

1340
01:15:21,180 --> 01:15:29,700
Albert, Peter Juergen verheij
for high or high or high to 2222

1341
01:15:30,570 --> 01:15:34,800
some serious poop donations for
the get mo nation from the

1342
01:15:34,800 --> 01:15:41,550
friends from Gitmo nation east.
Close to Amster shitty dam keep

1343
01:15:41,550 --> 01:15:44,250
up all the cleaning work which
needs to be done.

1344
01:15:44,280 --> 01:15:47,400
Adam Curry: Hold on a second. Is
there an issue we need to be

1345
01:15:47,400 --> 01:15:50,220
alerted to in Amsterdam? Are
they pooping on the streets?

1346
01:15:50,790 --> 01:15:55,140
John C. Dvorak: I don't think
so. I can see some I wish there

1347
01:15:55,140 --> 01:15:56,940
for Queen's Day or whatever they
call

1348
01:15:56,940 --> 01:15:59,580
Adam Curry: that it was a long
time ago. John, this things have

1349
01:15:59,580 --> 01:16:01,140
changed since then. But there

1350
01:16:01,140 --> 01:16:02,880
John C. Dvorak: was a woman that
peeing on the street.

1351
01:16:04,710 --> 01:16:06,630
Adam Curry: Okay, but we're
talking about now we're talking

1352
01:16:06,630 --> 01:16:10,560
about this pooping phenomenon.
And maybe there's something

1353
01:16:10,560 --> 01:16:14,670
we're missing. It's I know it's
become quite nasty in general.

1354
01:16:15,240 --> 01:16:16,800
John C. Dvorak: Certainly we
don't think it's good in

1355
01:16:16,800 --> 01:16:17,370
Amsterdam.

1356
01:16:17,400 --> 01:16:19,320
Adam Curry: I think well,
there's people pissing in

1357
01:16:19,320 --> 01:16:24,180
mailboxes. Men, I should say.

1358
01:16:25,500 --> 01:16:29,070
John C. Dvorak: All right. Thank
you very much. Men.

1359
01:16:29,850 --> 01:16:31,350
Adam Curry: How old are they old
enough to drink

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01:16:31,380 --> 01:16:33,420
John C. Dvorak: how tall how
tall? I don't know. I don't

1361
01:16:33,420 --> 01:16:40,050
know. Sir Julian's last on the
list. 200 bucks. Sir Julian

1362
01:16:40,050 --> 01:16:44,520
here. I just returned from a
trip to Guadalajara. While I was

1363
01:16:44,550 --> 01:16:46,500
offered Eskimo

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01:16:46,530 --> 01:16:49,320
Adam Curry: Eskimo that's what I
had my banker dinner. It's the

1365
01:16:49,320 --> 01:16:52,050
amp the amp larva Paarvai the
ant eggs

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01:16:53,730 --> 01:16:56,640
John C. Dvorak: at a high end
restaurant, no way am I passing

1367
01:16:56,640 --> 01:17:01,470
that. On passing on that it was
delish. The small way Wait,

1368
01:17:01,470 --> 01:17:02,010
stop.

1369
01:17:02,790 --> 01:17:05,520
Adam Curry: We can't just let
someone say delish, and pass

1370
01:17:05,520 --> 01:17:08,850
over that. You said delish. You
can't say that.

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01:17:09,419 --> 01:17:11,699
John C. Dvorak: I wonder V EV
also says merch

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01:17:15,690 --> 01:17:18,360
Adam Curry: I'd like some ant
merch because it's delish.

1373
01:17:18,690 --> 01:17:20,700
John C. Dvorak: You know,
there's a number of pods you're

1374
01:17:20,700 --> 01:17:23,460
saying you know, that sell
merch?

1375
01:17:23,460 --> 01:17:24,960
Adam Curry: You're saying you
know a lot, John.

1376
01:17:26,040 --> 01:17:27,810
John C. Dvorak: I think I've
infected this must be me.

1377
01:17:27,840 --> 01:17:29,670
Adam Curry: I think so. I think
he's wrong. I think I think

1378
01:17:29,670 --> 01:17:31,440
you're the one that's saying it.
Okay,

1379
01:17:31,440 --> 01:17:33,180
John C. Dvorak: well, thanks for
calling calling me out on it.

1380
01:17:33,180 --> 01:17:37,950
You know, the small donation
puts me past URL. If it pleases

1381
01:17:37,950 --> 01:17:41,070
the peerage committee. I'd like
to be known as Sir Julian Earl

1382
01:17:41,070 --> 01:17:46,500
of the South Bay and autonomous
cars. Sounds good. To me. That

1383
01:17:46,500 --> 01:17:50,400
sounds good. On the naming
rights for the studio, I once

1384
01:17:50,400 --> 01:17:53,340
found myself surrounded by
dozens of accountants and CPAs

1385
01:17:53,670 --> 01:17:59,340
from competing accounting firms
at a dueling Piano Bar. Not sir

1386
01:17:59,340 --> 01:18:03,870
Jeff's. In addition to throwing
bread and a jar to get a song

1387
01:18:03,870 --> 01:18:07,710
played. Stairway to Heaven, so
is a good idea. They had a

1388
01:18:07,710 --> 01:18:11,640
running gag at the bar where for
a price the staff would write on

1389
01:18:11,670 --> 01:18:15,840
a huge chalkboard behind the
pianos the phrase of your

1390
01:18:15,840 --> 01:18:20,760
choice, it would stay up there
until somebody paid more to

1391
01:18:21,300 --> 01:18:27,720
usurp. After some time, and some
libations these warring firms

1392
01:18:27,720 --> 01:18:31,200
went back and forth taunting
each other via the Blackboard to

1393
01:18:31,530 --> 01:18:35,640
to the tune of 1000s per
message. For this is actually a

1394
01:18:35,640 --> 01:18:38,280
very interesting idea. I don't
know how it works at the studio,

1395
01:18:38,520 --> 01:18:42,360
provided the name or phrase made
it past the no agenda ethics

1396
01:18:42,360 --> 01:18:46,680
committee. I'd love to see that
name. Good for one year unless

1397
01:18:46,830 --> 01:18:52,590
usurped by $1,000 greater than
the last naming. By the end of

1398
01:18:52,590 --> 01:18:55,950
the year, it would be comically
large and then dropped to a deep

1399
01:18:55,950 --> 01:19:00,570
discount on the next show. Well,

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01:19:00,750 --> 01:19:03,600
Adam Curry: I appreciate it,
sir. Julian, I'm against all of

1401
01:19:03,600 --> 01:19:04,440
these ideas.

1402
01:19:05,010 --> 01:19:07,560
John C. Dvorak: I like the idea
of having a bar. Oh, yeah.

1403
01:19:07,830 --> 01:19:10,590
Adam Curry: A bar is fantastic.
But not a show with value for

1404
01:19:10,590 --> 01:19:12,900
value is a whole different
thing. But I appreciate the

1405
01:19:12,900 --> 01:19:15,180
John C. Dvorak: thing. That
theoretically, you're correct.

1406
01:19:16,950 --> 01:19:19,230
Adam Curry: Yes, I come here for
different reasons

1407
01:19:19,230 --> 01:19:21,120
John C. Dvorak: like this
bidding war idea for this

1408
01:19:21,120 --> 01:19:24,780
something to say some stupid.
Yeah, it would become clownish.

1409
01:19:24,929 --> 01:19:28,109
Adam Curry: Yeah. And it's not
really the not really our model.

1410
01:19:29,819 --> 01:19:33,719
But I appreciate the thinking
and appreciate the fact that

1411
01:19:33,719 --> 01:19:36,119
he's supporting the show. That's
what it's about. That's how you

1412
01:19:36,119 --> 01:19:38,969
become an Associate Executive
Producer, producer, which is a

1413
01:19:38,969 --> 01:19:44,069
credit which is valuable. And
you can use to taunt people with

1414
01:19:44,099 --> 01:19:48,629
to show it to me, I'm in I'm in
show business. Check it out. I'm

1415
01:19:48,629 --> 01:19:50,789
Associate Producer, Associate
Executive Producer, the no

1416
01:19:50,789 --> 01:19:54,329
agenda Show episode 1151 or
executive producer. We had two

1417
01:19:54,329 --> 01:19:57,239
of them today. Do we have any
more? Is that our list?

1418
01:19:57,300 --> 01:19:58,860
John C. Dvorak: No. And that's
it. I want to thank these folks

1419
01:19:58,860 --> 01:20:03,390
for supporting the show 11 51
Woods or producer ships, and we

1420
01:20:03,390 --> 01:20:08,100
did have a lousy turnout
overall, the show was saved by

1421
01:20:08,100 --> 01:20:09,210
the anonymous lesbian.

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01:20:09,300 --> 01:20:12,180
Adam Curry: Yeah. And anonymous
in Virginia. Well, actually,

1423
01:20:13,830 --> 01:20:16,350
Virginia, whoever that might be.
That's gonna be a very short

1424
01:20:16,350 --> 01:20:17,400
second segment today.

1425
01:20:17,610 --> 01:20:20,940
John C. Dvorak: Yes, we did very
poorly since finished the month

1426
01:20:20,940 --> 01:20:26,160
of June as expected poorly. June
swoon. Yes.

1427
01:20:27,930 --> 01:20:29,970
Adam Curry: All right,
disappointing. We'll be thinking

1428
01:20:29,970 --> 01:20:34,200
more people $50 And above and
our second segment, anything

1429
01:20:34,200 --> 01:20:36,810
that comes in we always
appreciate it love to have these

1430
01:20:36,810 --> 01:20:40,410
die hearts here. And as I said,
my heart is filled. Thank you

1431
01:20:40,410 --> 01:20:43,020
very much anonymous lesbian for
the things you said in addition

1432
01:20:43,020 --> 01:20:45,660
to your donation, we'll be back
here for another show on

1433
01:20:45,660 --> 01:20:47,670
Thursday, you can support us by
going to

1434
01:20:47,700 --> 01:20:51,570
vote.org/and A probably

1435
01:20:51,570 --> 01:20:53,460
have enough now to go out there
and hit everybody in the mouse

1436
01:20:53,460 --> 01:20:56,040
when it comes to what happened
during the feature to propagate

1437
01:20:56,040 --> 01:21:08,580
formula is this. We go out for
yet people in the mouth just

1438
01:21:10,470 --> 01:21:11,790
shut us

1439
01:21:16,260 --> 01:21:22,440
the we started this show for 11
years ago really for ourselves.

1440
01:21:22,440 --> 01:21:26,400
Initially, I was about 20
minutes long we we chat back and

1441
01:21:26,400 --> 01:21:31,140
forth. About I was in London
mainly at the time, or I would

1442
01:21:31,140 --> 01:21:34,080
John C. Dvorak: trust no show
there was a Skype call.

1443
01:21:35,790 --> 01:21:38,490
Adam Curry: I think we kind of
found that there was an

1444
01:21:38,490 --> 01:21:44,190
interesting thing to talk about.
And we both hold the belief that

1445
01:21:44,190 --> 01:21:48,930
pretty much all media is
advertising. And as we started

1446
01:21:48,930 --> 01:21:51,930
to deconstruct news deconstruct
what was taking place at the

1447
01:21:51,930 --> 01:21:56,160
time we had in the European
Union. I was in London, though

1448
01:21:56,160 --> 01:21:59,460
we were looking at the Lisbon
Treaty and finding out that what

1449
01:21:59,460 --> 01:22:03,300
people were, were were saying on
television about how great this

1450
01:22:03,300 --> 01:22:06,450
would be. There's only 11 years
ago. And now you can see, I

1451
01:22:06,450 --> 01:22:08,940
guess we were kind of right. We
said hey, this is not going to

1452
01:22:08,940 --> 01:22:11,400
be so great. And they're not
telling you everything. And it's

1453
01:22:11,400 --> 01:22:14,820
not just about the same money,
which has a lot of problems by

1454
01:22:14,820 --> 01:22:19,530
itself, which you're not being
told. And then the the true

1455
01:22:19,530 --> 01:22:21,690
freedom of movement, which you
really don't have, but there's

1456
01:22:21,690 --> 01:22:28,320
no passports. And so I think we
kind of morphed into before

1457
01:22:28,320 --> 01:22:33,780
ourselves more than anything, to
provide mental tools, tools, to

1458
01:22:33,810 --> 01:22:37,920
understand media and really stay
healthy, how to stay safe from

1459
01:22:37,920 --> 01:22:43,320
these constant constant barrage
of propaganda, and just attacks

1460
01:22:43,320 --> 01:22:46,830
on you trying to manipulate you
into believing things that

1461
01:22:47,070 --> 01:22:50,070
really aren't true. Is that a
fair representation of how we

1462
01:22:50,070 --> 01:22:51,210
evolved? So that

1463
01:22:51,300 --> 01:22:53,820
John C. Dvorak: it's not just
the media does it the media

1464
01:22:53,880 --> 01:22:57,960
minions, which are the people
that read and believe the media

1465
01:22:57,960 --> 01:23:03,900
and creating a huge force, and
1984 style force, which reminds

1466
01:23:03,900 --> 01:23:11,100
me 1984 force of the public
itself, pounds on people I mean,

1467
01:23:11,100 --> 01:23:14,010
you see in certain areas where
there was inundated like the Bay

1468
01:23:14,010 --> 01:23:17,460
Area, for example, where
everybody's hates Trump, then

1469
01:23:17,460 --> 01:23:21,480
you were a red hat. Yeah, I got
my new hat. I'd mentioned that

1470
01:23:21,480 --> 01:23:21,930
it gets through

1471
01:23:21,960 --> 01:23:25,890
Adam Curry: Oh, I also got the
Maxine Waters gravel. I got my

1472
01:23:25,890 --> 01:23:27,690
hat and I got my grab my gravel.

1473
01:23:27,720 --> 01:23:29,520
John C. Dvorak: I gotta gravel
some time ago.

1474
01:23:29,820 --> 01:23:31,590
Adam Curry: I know I had to go
to my Pio box.

1475
01:23:32,670 --> 01:23:35,250
John C. Dvorak: Oh, I see. Yeah,
the ground and by the way,

1476
01:23:35,610 --> 01:23:39,510
what's interesting about the
gavel is got a thing that you

1477
01:23:39,510 --> 01:23:41,460
can pound your little

1478
01:23:41,550 --> 01:23:44,670
Adam Curry: Yes. Which I knew
which I pounded once and dented

1479
01:23:44,670 --> 01:23:45,300
right away.

1480
01:23:45,570 --> 01:23:48,270
John C. Dvorak: Not mine not
mine. I tried to Dennis

1481
01:23:48,300 --> 01:23:50,340
Adam Curry: mine dented right
away.

1482
01:23:51,180 --> 01:23:53,790
John C. Dvorak: Really? Is my
pounding everything what is

1483
01:23:53,790 --> 01:23:55,530
meat? What is this wood that
won't dent?

1484
01:23:55,560 --> 01:23:59,370
Adam Curry: No, also, not only
the gravel, but the two hats are

1485
01:23:59,370 --> 01:24:02,190
all made in China which I think
makes the tats extra valuable.

1486
01:24:02,970 --> 01:24:05,070
John C. Dvorak: Remain China but
they're not even felt. And

1487
01:24:05,070 --> 01:24:08,220
Adam Curry: not even good. Like
a cloth. They're really, really

1488
01:24:08,220 --> 01:24:09,300
poorly made.

1489
01:24:11,040 --> 01:24:13,620
John C. Dvorak: She had with a
little American flag on the

1490
01:24:13,620 --> 01:24:14,040
side.

1491
01:24:14,130 --> 01:24:17,520
Adam Curry: It's fantastic. It's
it is the perfect representation

1492
01:24:17,550 --> 01:24:20,940
of this time. There will be
someone who finds this hat

1493
01:24:20,940 --> 01:24:24,030
John C. Dvorak: shiny red hat
that says Make America Great

1494
01:24:24,030 --> 01:24:28,080
Again. But says Keep America
Great. That's the one the new

1495
01:24:28,110 --> 01:24:29,550
Adam Curry: Oh, I didn't get
that I got the to make

1496
01:24:29,550 --> 01:24:31,590
Americans. I didn't get to keep
America great. Oh, I

1497
01:24:31,589 --> 01:24:32,519
John C. Dvorak: got to keep
American

1498
01:24:33,870 --> 01:24:38,010
Adam Curry: tat anyway. So and
we really did this for ourselves

1499
01:24:38,010 --> 01:24:41,250
more than anything. Certainly in
the beginning. We just oh man.

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01:24:41,250 --> 01:24:44,010
Look at this book and look at
what they're selling. And it was

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01:24:44,040 --> 01:24:47,970
and I think that over time as
well. She as grousing. Yeah, but

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01:24:47,970 --> 01:24:53,820
when you hear now 1000 1100
episodes 1100 51 episodes later

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01:24:53,820 --> 01:24:57,750
you hear the anonymous lesbian
who has quite standing in the

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01:24:57,750 --> 01:25:01,350
artistic community saying
without you You guys, I will be

1505
01:25:01,350 --> 01:25:08,160
going nuts. She would. Okay, so
so this is this is important.

1506
01:25:08,880 --> 01:25:12,720
We're somehow what we're doing
is caught on some PBS, we're

1507
01:25:12,720 --> 01:25:13,830
helping lots of

1508
01:25:13,830 --> 01:25:17,010
John C. Dvorak: people. But
there's in the scheme of things,

1509
01:25:17,010 --> 01:25:17,730
it's some.

1510
01:25:17,940 --> 01:25:20,370
Adam Curry: So when Okay, so I
have a little presentation to

1511
01:25:20,370 --> 01:25:24,540
make. And it's really about
advertising because over the

1512
01:25:24,540 --> 01:25:28,950
past few weeks, and we've done
stuff, we've mentioned brand

1513
01:25:28,980 --> 01:25:32,790
safety, we've mentioned, what
advertising how important

1514
01:25:32,790 --> 01:25:36,690
advertising is to Silicon
Valley. And, you know, a large,

1515
01:25:37,050 --> 01:25:43,830
large, large, large portion of
our producing audience is very,

1516
01:25:44,220 --> 01:25:49,770
very disappointed and angry that
we were going to tell you that

1517
01:25:49,770 --> 01:25:54,300
we refuse to admit and wake up
and open our eyes to the fact

1518
01:25:54,300 --> 01:25:57,630
that it's crazy leftists
douchebags, who are censoring

1519
01:25:57,630 --> 01:26:02,340
the right. And we have a little
different take on it. And I

1520
01:26:02,340 --> 01:26:06,750
realized that that we need to go
back to our original roots, and

1521
01:26:07,020 --> 01:26:12,300
explain and unveil a few things
about advertising. Because ever

1522
01:26:12,300 --> 01:26:17,610
since the the banner ad, there's
been this, which by the way

1523
01:26:17,610 --> 01:26:24,090
became very it became almost
worthless, very quickly.

1524
01:26:24,330 --> 01:26:27,210
John C. Dvorak: Yeah. Wasn't it
was quickly in terms of like,

1525
01:26:27,480 --> 01:26:30,720
the long term scheme of things.
But it was a very effective

1526
01:26:30,720 --> 01:26:32,190
product for probably

1527
01:26:32,190 --> 01:26:34,320
Adam Curry: two to three years.
Right. Right. And then it became

1528
01:26:34,350 --> 01:26:35,160
ineffective,

1529
01:26:35,280 --> 01:26:36,750
John C. Dvorak: less because
people stopped looking at

1530
01:26:36,750 --> 01:26:40,830
Adam Curry: him. Exactly.
Because that is not true brand

1531
01:26:40,830 --> 01:26:44,820
advertising. It's why they call
it display advertising. And it's

1532
01:26:44,820 --> 01:26:50,100
not really what advertising is
in the in the true sense of the

1533
01:26:50,100 --> 01:26:53,220
word of how you manipulate
someone into purchasing

1534
01:26:53,220 --> 01:26:55,590
something or believing in
something political.

1535
01:26:56,130 --> 01:26:58,560
John C. Dvorak: Yeah, a little
insight into this. I don't know

1536
01:26:58,560 --> 01:27:02,310
if you want me to do this now or
later. Go ahead. So the banner

1537
01:27:02,310 --> 01:27:06,720
ad was largely invented by two
guys out of Ziff Davis, who went

1538
01:27:06,720 --> 01:27:10,590
over to work for CNET. And they
had kind of invented the banner

1539
01:27:10,590 --> 01:27:12,960
ad and how it worked and how
they're going to present it. And

1540
01:27:12,960 --> 01:27:16,080
it was new when they when they
did when they started seeing

1541
01:27:16,080 --> 01:27:24,180
that I was one of the early
people at CNET myself. And they

1542
01:27:24,180 --> 01:27:32,790
were getting $100 per 1000 for
at least two years. So that's

1543
01:27:33,030 --> 01:27:34,710
Adam Curry: let's just let's
just we got to do it all here.

1544
01:27:34,710 --> 01:27:37,530
That's a CPM cost per mille.
They always like to have some

1545
01:27:37,530 --> 01:27:40,200
French words in there. So they
can be hoity toity.

1546
01:27:40,260 --> 01:27:43,260
John C. Dvorak: So you don't
understand what CPM means cost

1547
01:27:43,260 --> 01:27:43,860
per 1000.

1548
01:27:43,890 --> 01:27:48,480
Adam Curry: Right. So if they
had 1000 views, 1000 people saw

1549
01:27:48,480 --> 01:27:51,780
that ad, which became
controversial soon thereafter,

1550
01:27:51,990 --> 01:27:56,820
you'd get 100 bucks. Okay, yeah,
but that devolved down to 1615

1551
01:27:56,820 --> 01:28:00,120
cents by the time by the time,
by the time the

1552
01:28:00,120 --> 01:28:03,300
John C. Dvorak: offer was big
started at $100.

1553
01:28:03,750 --> 01:28:06,480
Adam Curry: So then we got cost
per clicks, and we got click

1554
01:28:06,480 --> 01:28:08,910
throughs. And we don't have to
belabor all of these things.

1555
01:28:08,910 --> 01:28:13,050
Because ultimately, brand
advertising branding, that is

1556
01:28:13,050 --> 01:28:17,580
what it's been about, since I
would say, since forever, but

1557
01:28:17,580 --> 01:28:22,410
really, with television. And
video is really where brand

1558
01:28:22,410 --> 01:28:25,800
advertising became what real
advertising is where the real

1559
01:28:25,830 --> 01:28:30,300
money is. And if the advertiser
as I've said in the United

1560
01:28:30,300 --> 01:28:34,260
States is God, the advertiser
controls everything controls

1561
01:28:34,260 --> 01:28:38,610
what you eat, what you drive,
who you love, what you love, who

1562
01:28:38,610 --> 01:28:46,080
you vote for, if the advertiser
is God, the brand is Jesus. And

1563
01:28:46,140 --> 01:28:49,620
this is going to tie into deep
platforming, but I'm really not

1564
01:28:49,650 --> 01:28:54,750
that interested. I want to
explain. I want to us to help

1565
01:28:54,750 --> 01:28:57,390
you understand true brand
advertising what it's about.

1566
01:28:57,540 --> 01:29:00,270
Because when you understand
that, if you're pissed off about

1567
01:29:00,270 --> 01:29:03,060
D platforming, I'm personally
not because I don't use the

1568
01:29:03,060 --> 01:29:06,930
platforms. This will show you
how to stop it and who to go

1569
01:29:06,930 --> 01:29:11,430
after is going after Google and
Twitter and Facebook is futile

1570
01:29:11,550 --> 01:29:15,990
and stupid, because they're not
really the problem. And let's go

1571
01:29:15,990 --> 01:29:23,280
back before Trump arrived on the
scene, in 20 1314, we had big

1572
01:29:23,280 --> 01:29:29,910
problems with advertising on
YouTube, mainly, for one reason,

1573
01:29:30,000 --> 01:29:33,240
terrorism videos, there was no
it wasn't like political

1574
01:29:33,240 --> 01:29:36,330
discourse. There was no one
trying to shut down the right or

1575
01:29:36,330 --> 01:29:40,500
the left. The problem that
Silicon Valley companies had was

1576
01:29:40,500 --> 01:29:46,620
with terrorism videos, then 2017
Now all of a sudden, we have a

1577
01:29:46,620 --> 01:29:50,520
real problem because of
Cambridge Analytica, and it

1578
01:29:50,520 --> 01:29:52,710
became about privacy and what
are these people doing with your

1579
01:29:52,710 --> 01:29:56,040
data? You can see all of this
Silicon Valley company stocks

1580
01:29:56,070 --> 01:29:59,970
started to tank it was a big
problem. That somehow morphed

1581
01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:05,670
into its Trump, Trump is toxic,
everything Trump has got to go.

1582
01:30:07,590 --> 01:30:13,050
I want to take us to the core of
how, and this is biology, how

1583
01:30:13,830 --> 01:30:20,460
successful brands are successful
with their messaging. And I'm

1584
01:30:20,460 --> 01:30:23,730
gonna use Apple as an example.
And the old Apple, as you'll see

1585
01:30:23,730 --> 01:30:28,080
in a moment. What is the
difference between a brand like

1586
01:30:28,080 --> 01:30:31,830
Apple Computer Company, and any
other brand, and this is guy

1587
01:30:31,830 --> 01:30:36,030
called Simon cynics. And he's a
motivational speaker. He's

1588
01:30:36,030 --> 01:30:38,970
written books on the subject.
But he really takes the core

1589
01:30:38,970 --> 01:30:41,880
essence that is only understood
by a few by few legends in the

1590
01:30:41,880 --> 01:30:45,960
advertising business, how great
brand advertising works, and

1591
01:30:45,960 --> 01:30:48,660
he's going to do this. He's
actually going to use Apple as

1592
01:30:48,660 --> 01:30:53,070
an example. And the three
questions for any company or any

1593
01:30:53,100 --> 01:30:57,810
any entity really is why, how,
and what, listen to this and

1594
01:30:57,810 --> 01:31:00,720
then be able to apply this to
what's happening today.

1595
01:31:00,780 --> 01:31:05,190
Why is apple so innovative? Year
after year after year after

1596
01:31:05,190 --> 01:31:08,910
year, they're more innovative
than all their competition. And

1597
01:31:08,910 --> 01:31:10,410
yet, they're just a computer
company.

1598
01:31:10,500 --> 01:31:14,010
By the way, this is a 10 year
old TED talk, the audio shit

1599
01:31:14,010 --> 01:31:16,890
clears up a little bit later on.
But it's it's enough to

1600
01:31:16,890 --> 01:31:17,880
understand what's going on

1601
01:31:17,940 --> 01:31:20,940
there just like everyone else,
they have the same access to the

1602
01:31:20,940 --> 01:31:24,060
same talent, the same agencies,
the same consultants, the same

1603
01:31:24,060 --> 01:31:27,930
media, then why is it that they
seem to have something

1604
01:31:27,930 --> 01:31:31,620
different? As it turns out,
there's a pattern as it turns

1605
01:31:31,620 --> 01:31:35,430
out all the great and inspiring
leaders and organizations in the

1606
01:31:35,430 --> 01:31:37,380
world whether it's Apple or
Martin Luther King, or the

1607
01:31:37,380 --> 01:31:41,580
Wright brothers, they all think,
act and communicate the exact

1608
01:31:41,580 --> 01:31:46,200
same way. And it's the complete
opposite to everyone else. I

1609
01:31:46,200 --> 01:31:51,390
call it the Golden Circle. Why
how what this little idea

1610
01:31:51,450 --> 01:31:55,170
explains why some organizations
and some leaders are able to

1611
01:31:55,170 --> 01:31:58,470
inspire where others aren't, let
me define the terms really

1612
01:31:58,470 --> 01:32:01,380
quickly. Every single person,
every single organization on the

1613
01:32:01,380 --> 01:32:07,320
planet knows what they do 100%
Some know how they do it,

1614
01:32:07,410 --> 01:32:09,000
whether you call it your
differentiating value

1615
01:32:09,000 --> 01:32:12,870
proposition or your proprietary
process or your USP. But very,

1616
01:32:12,870 --> 01:32:16,770
very few people or organizations
know why they do what they do.

1617
01:32:17,250 --> 01:32:20,610
And by why I don't mean to make
a profit. That's a result. It's

1618
01:32:20,610 --> 01:32:23,670
always a result by why I mean,
what's your purpose? What's your

1619
01:32:23,670 --> 01:32:29,490
cause? What's your belief? Why
does your organization exist? If

1620
01:32:29,490 --> 01:32:33,510
Apple were like everyone else, a
marketing message from them

1621
01:32:33,510 --> 01:32:38,220
might sound like this. We make
great computers. They're

1622
01:32:38,220 --> 01:32:42,240
beautifully designed, simple to
use and user friendly. Want to

1623
01:32:42,240 --> 01:32:47,550
buy one? And that's how most of
us communicate. That's how most

1624
01:32:47,550 --> 01:32:49,590
marketing is done. That's how
most sales done. And that's how

1625
01:32:49,590 --> 01:32:51,990
most of us communicate
interpersonally we say what we

1626
01:32:51,990 --> 01:32:54,570
do we say how we're different or
how we better and we expect some

1627
01:32:54,570 --> 01:32:57,300
sort of behavior, a purchase a
vote, something like that.

1628
01:32:57,390 --> 01:33:02,880
Here's how Apple actually
communicates. Everything we do,

1629
01:33:03,360 --> 01:33:08,010
we believe in challenging the
status quo. We believe in

1630
01:33:08,010 --> 01:33:12,060
thinking differently. The way we
challenge the status quo is by

1631
01:33:12,060 --> 01:33:15,270
making our products beautifully
designed, simple to use, and

1632
01:33:15,270 --> 01:33:19,290
user friendly. We just happen to
make great computers want to buy

1633
01:33:19,290 --> 01:33:23,160
one. Totally different, right?
You're ready to buy a computer

1634
01:33:23,160 --> 01:33:26,130
from me. All I did was reverse
the order of the information.

1635
01:33:26,190 --> 01:33:29,010
What it proves to us is that
people don't buy what you do

1636
01:33:29,070 --> 01:33:32,040
people buy why you do it, people
don't buy what you do they buy

1637
01:33:32,040 --> 01:33:36,540
why you do it. This explains why
every single person in this room

1638
01:33:37,140 --> 01:33:40,560
is perfectly comfortable buying
a computer from Apple. But we're

1639
01:33:40,560 --> 01:33:43,890
also perfectly comfortable
buying an mp3 player from Apple,

1640
01:33:44,040 --> 01:33:47,970
or a phone from Apple, or a DVR
from Apple. But as I said

1641
01:33:47,970 --> 01:33:50,340
before, Apple's just a computer
company. There's nothing that

1642
01:33:50,340 --> 01:33:52,920
distinguishes them structurally
from any of their competitors,

1643
01:33:53,010 --> 01:33:55,830
their competitors are all
equally qualified to make all of

1644
01:33:55,830 --> 01:33:59,250
these products. In fact, they
tried, Dell came out with mp3

1645
01:33:59,250 --> 01:34:03,780
players and PDAs. And they make
great quality products. And they

1646
01:34:03,780 --> 01:34:07,200
can make perfectly well design
products. And nobody bought one.

1647
01:34:07,860 --> 01:34:10,950
In fact talking about it. Now we
can't even imagine buying an mp3

1648
01:34:10,950 --> 01:34:12,810
player from Dell. Why would you
buy an mp3 player from a

1649
01:34:12,810 --> 01:34:16,650
computer company? But we do it
every day. People don't buy what

1650
01:34:16,650 --> 01:34:20,520
you do they buy why you do it.
The goal is not to do business

1651
01:34:20,580 --> 01:34:24,540
with anybody with everybody who
needs what you have. The goal is

1652
01:34:24,540 --> 01:34:27,870
to do business with people who
believe what you believe

1653
01:34:27,960 --> 01:34:31,260
the goal is to do business with
people who believe what you

1654
01:34:31,260 --> 01:34:36,390
believe. And this has been
proven many, many times that

1655
01:34:36,390 --> 01:34:39,480
this works. And the troll room
is very interesting. By the way,

1656
01:34:39,480 --> 01:34:42,240
a lot of people really know what
they're talking about. And so

1657
01:34:42,240 --> 01:34:46,590
they're all making trollee
jokes. Let me tell you so this

1658
01:34:46,590 --> 01:34:49,680
is this can really come down to
a mission statement till we look

1659
01:34:49,710 --> 01:34:53,130
at a trolley car. The mission
statement of Apple when Steve

1660
01:34:53,130 --> 01:34:57,780
Jobs was still alive was this to
make a contribution to the world

1661
01:34:57,780 --> 01:35:03,990
by making tools for the mind
that To advance humankind. That

1662
01:35:03,990 --> 01:35:08,400
was their mission statement.
Here's Apple's mission statement

1663
01:35:08,400 --> 01:35:11,700
today. And that may kind of show
you why people are walking away

1664
01:35:11,700 --> 01:35:16,380
from the brand. I was a apple
believer. I never sat. I never

1665
01:35:16,380 --> 01:35:20,100
slept in line for an iPhone, but
I got one pretty quick. And I

1666
01:35:20,100 --> 01:35:24,810
was a Mac fanboy. And that
somehow that started to go away.

1667
01:35:24,810 --> 01:35:27,780
And you know, and even though
the products has never been

1668
01:35:27,780 --> 01:35:31,020
fantastically perfect, they've
always had flaws. I got sick and

1669
01:35:31,020 --> 01:35:34,020
tired of it. Here's Apple's
mission statement today as of

1670
01:35:34,020 --> 01:35:39,030
2019, where'd you get it? Right
from their website? Okay, Apple

1671
01:35:39,030 --> 01:35:42,360
designs Mac's the best personal
computers in the world. Along

1672
01:35:42,360 --> 01:35:46,320
with OSX I life I work and
professional software, Apple

1673
01:35:46,320 --> 01:35:49,020
leads the digital music
revolution with its iPods and

1674
01:35:49,020 --> 01:35:52,500
iTunes online store. Apple has
reinvented the mobile phone with

1675
01:35:52,500 --> 01:35:55,890
this revolutionary iPhone and
App Store, and is defining the

1676
01:35:55,890 --> 01:35:58,740
future of mobile media and
computing devices with

1677
01:35:58,769 --> 01:36:02,549
iPad. Yeah, that's nickel, not

1678
01:36:02,850 --> 01:36:06,990
inspirational. And I think, to
say the least, let's look at

1679
01:36:08,130 --> 01:36:12,990
Google's mission statement.
Google's and people say, Don't

1680
01:36:12,990 --> 01:36:15,630
be evil. Now, that wasn't their
mission statement, their mission

1681
01:36:15,630 --> 01:36:19,830
statement still is to organize
the world's information and make

1682
01:36:19,830 --> 01:36:25,260
it universally acceptable and
useful. Not all that great at

1683
01:36:25,260 --> 01:36:31,050
Facebook. In early 2017, the
Facebook corporate mission was

1684
01:36:31,500 --> 01:36:35,190
to give people the power to
share and make the world more

1685
01:36:35,190 --> 01:36:38,850
open and connected. That's
changed. They've changed the

1686
01:36:38,850 --> 01:36:42,630
mission statement, it is now to
give people the power to build

1687
01:36:42,630 --> 01:36:46,770
community and bring the world
closer together. So they've

1688
01:36:46,770 --> 01:36:51,030
removed the open part and the
connected and so they've changed

1689
01:36:51,030 --> 01:36:56,160
that. Twitter is the one that
really got me Twitter's original

1690
01:36:56,160 --> 01:37:00,150
mission statement, to give
everyone the power to create and

1691
01:37:00,150 --> 01:37:05,790
share ideas and information
instantly. without barriers. Do

1692
01:37:05,790 --> 01:37:09,180
you think there's a problem with
what Twitter originally sold to

1693
01:37:09,180 --> 01:37:12,990
us and what it is right now?
Yeah, because clearly, they have

1694
01:37:12,990 --> 01:37:15,600
barriers. In fact, they've
changed their mission statement,

1695
01:37:15,840 --> 01:37:20,430
their mission statement is now
reach the largest daily audience

1696
01:37:20,430 --> 01:37:24,540
in the world by connecting
everyone to their world via our

1697
01:37:24,540 --> 01:37:28,260
information sharing and
distribution platform products,

1698
01:37:28,410 --> 01:37:32,580
and be one of the top revenue
generating internet companies in

1699
01:37:32,580 --> 01:37:38,430
the world. How inspirational how
inspirational is that, huh? Let

1700
01:37:38,430 --> 01:37:42,180
me give you an example of an
inspirational message versus one

1701
01:37:42,180 --> 01:37:46,050
that's not inspirational,
inspirational, make America

1702
01:37:46,050 --> 01:37:52,890
great again, not inspirational.
I'm with her. This should have

1703
01:37:52,890 --> 01:37:58,590
light bulbs going off in
people's heads. So brands want

1704
01:37:58,590 --> 01:38:05,310
to be inspirational. They want
to be a part of a movement, they

1705
01:38:05,310 --> 01:38:09,810
want to have people who believe
in them. Some brands most

1706
01:38:09,810 --> 01:38:13,920
actually don't really have that
message anymore if they ever had

1707
01:38:13,920 --> 01:38:17,280
it. And so they go and look for
inspiration such as during pride

1708
01:38:17,280 --> 01:38:22,140
month. I mean, has Budweiser
ever had some inspirational

1709
01:38:22,290 --> 01:38:27,720
message about LGBTQ? Is their
products? Has it ever been

1710
01:38:27,750 --> 01:38:33,660
inspirational for sexuality? No.
So they've they jumped on board.

1711
01:38:34,140 --> 01:38:39,060
Everyone's on board. Oh, IKEA,
oh, Kmart, Walmart. Everybody

1712
01:38:39,060 --> 01:38:46,260
has pride flags is completely
disingenuous. And brands started

1713
01:38:46,260 --> 01:38:51,720
walking away from anything
Trump. The silence is deafening.

1714
01:38:51,750 --> 01:38:55,500
major brands are avoiding Trump
even as he promotes them from

1715
01:38:55,500 --> 01:38:59,430
the White House. You recall he
had Chick fil A and Burger King

1716
01:38:59,430 --> 01:39:04,020
and McDonald's for the what team
was it that came to visit him?

1717
01:39:05,670 --> 01:39:06,120
John?

1718
01:39:06,930 --> 01:39:09,000
John C. Dvorak: I forgot the
football team. Yeah, they were

1719
01:39:09,000 --> 01:39:11,700
going to Super Bowl it'd be the
Patriots. Exactly.

1720
01:39:14,340 --> 01:39:19,170
Adam Curry: So here's a bit from
marketing week. That explains

1721
01:39:19,200 --> 01:39:25,200
why brands these days are taking
a political stance brands,

1722
01:39:25,320 --> 01:39:29,100
advertisers, not Silicon Valley
companies, brands are taking

1723
01:39:29,220 --> 01:39:30,360
political stance,

1724
01:39:30,600 --> 01:39:35,010
there is absolutely an appetite
for brands to have a point of

1725
01:39:35,010 --> 01:39:39,390
view on social issues. But it is
a really dangerous area. There

1726
01:39:39,390 --> 01:39:44,550
is more consumers who are likely
to be turned off by the idea or

1727
01:39:44,550 --> 01:39:48,900
to be cynical towards the idea
than those who are actually

1728
01:39:48,900 --> 01:39:53,310
going to embrace it. And that
finding the right social issue

1729
01:39:53,310 --> 01:39:56,760
to really match with your
consumer group and be aware of

1730
01:39:56,760 --> 01:39:59,940
the negative impacts that it's
going to have is going to be key

1731
01:40:00,210 --> 01:40:03,180
See, this is where the brands
are going. They're trying to

1732
01:40:03,180 --> 01:40:06,600
find things where their people
are. And then it's like identity

1733
01:40:06,600 --> 01:40:11,010
politics only. It's for brands
who like to advertise towards

1734
01:40:11,010 --> 01:40:13,620
these groups, but they're not
really inspirational that that

1735
01:40:13,620 --> 01:40:17,850
is no longer part of the
equation. And this and this is

1736
01:40:17,850 --> 01:40:21,330
why on television was just very
clear, it's it's not just on the

1737
01:40:21,330 --> 01:40:26,490
internet, on television, brands
have run away from a Fox News.

1738
01:40:26,580 --> 01:40:30,300
They've run away from Sean
Hannity from Laura Ingraham from

1739
01:40:30,300 --> 01:40:34,440
Tucker Carlson, and these shows
will have to go away if

1740
01:40:34,440 --> 01:40:38,610
advertisers continue to stay
away. And to show you how this

1741
01:40:38,610 --> 01:40:43,950
works. We had this happen just
just the two days ago, Megan

1742
01:40:43,950 --> 01:40:47,790
rapido, of Team USA, you know,
I'm a big fan of the women's

1743
01:40:47,790 --> 01:40:51,360
soccer. And you've probably seen
this little video where she's

1744
01:40:51,360 --> 01:40:53,880
asked about, you know, the
success they have and on the

1745
01:40:53,880 --> 01:40:56,400
semi final, so are the Dutch
girls. And you know, they

1746
01:40:56,400 --> 01:41:05,550
probably go to the White House
No, not going to the White

1747
01:41:05,550 --> 01:41:07,470
House. We're not going to be
invited.

1748
01:41:07,559 --> 01:41:08,459
Unknown: You're not going to be
invited.

1749
01:41:08,490 --> 01:41:12,150
Adam Curry: I doubt it. So, like
go into the fucking White House.

1750
01:41:12,150 --> 01:41:15,450
Everyone's like, Oh, she's
great. She fuck Trump not going

1751
01:41:15,450 --> 01:41:18,810
to the fucking white house. Why
is she saying this? It's

1752
01:41:18,810 --> 01:41:22,710
completely on brand for her.
What is she wearing, she's

1753
01:41:22,710 --> 01:41:26,520
wearing a Nike swoosh she's
wearing a Nike uniform she is

1754
01:41:26,550 --> 01:41:31,440
the whole team is sponsored by
Nike. Nike hates Trump, Nike

1755
01:41:31,740 --> 01:41:36,180
sponsored Colin Kaepernick. So
this is on brand, this is

1756
01:41:36,180 --> 01:41:40,470
advertising, it may not even be
her personal feeling about the

1757
01:41:40,470 --> 01:41:44,910
topic, but it's on brand from
her sponsor. That is what she is

1758
01:41:44,910 --> 01:41:48,810
supposed to say she could never
say anything else with that Nike

1759
01:41:48,930 --> 01:41:54,720
logo. Just so you understand. In
digital advertising in the

1760
01:41:54,720 --> 01:41:55,800
United States,

1761
01:41:56,099 --> 01:41:58,439
John C. Dvorak: 100 is also true
at the basketball teams,

1762
01:41:58,559 --> 01:41:59,369
absolutely,

1763
01:41:59,430 --> 01:42:01,110
Adam Curry: then feel free to
jump in wherever you have

1764
01:42:01,110 --> 01:42:06,840
something to $107 billion
dollars were spent on digital

1765
01:42:06,840 --> 01:42:12,720
advertising in 2018. That is an
unbelievable amount of money.

1766
01:42:13,230 --> 01:42:20,700
And a huge majority of that.
Some say up to 90 billion is is

1767
01:42:20,700 --> 01:42:23,880
really going to two or three
companies. This has surpassed

1768
01:42:23,880 --> 01:42:26,850
television advertising,
television advertising is stuck

1769
01:42:26,850 --> 01:42:32,670
somewhere about 60 or $70
billion this year, or 2020.

1770
01:42:33,000 --> 01:42:37,260
According to The Wall Street
Journal $10 billion will be

1771
01:42:37,260 --> 01:42:42,450
spent on political advertising.
The billion number flies around

1772
01:42:42,450 --> 01:42:46,230
the lot. But that has an
incredible amount of money. Now,

1773
01:42:46,230 --> 01:42:50,790
let's get into the issues that
these brand companies have with

1774
01:42:50,790 --> 01:42:53,460
right wing conservative talk,
because that's really what we're

1775
01:42:53,460 --> 01:42:56,340
talking about. These are the
people being D platformed,

1776
01:42:56,340 --> 01:43:00,960
thrown off of Twitter, YouTube,
etc. D monetized I know that

1777
01:43:00,960 --> 01:43:04,560
we've asserted and you know, the
the mantra is, this is about

1778
01:43:04,560 --> 01:43:08,460
brand advertising. They don't
want anything that is toxic,

1779
01:43:08,520 --> 01:43:12,000
Trump and conservatism has
become toxic. That's the example

1780
01:43:12,000 --> 01:43:15,630
right there, Nike. And it's not
an online example. But it goes

1781
01:43:15,630 --> 01:43:20,190
for all brand advertising. This
is from a webinar, which I

1782
01:43:20,190 --> 01:43:23,760
watched for it's a lot of work
on this delivering trust in

1783
01:43:23,760 --> 01:43:28,020
advertising online, specifically
brand safety to webinars. So

1784
01:43:28,020 --> 01:43:30,120
it's not that dynamic. But the
information is good.

1785
01:43:30,150 --> 01:43:33,270
Every brand has their own unique
positioning, their own target

1786
01:43:33,270 --> 01:43:37,320
audience their own set of brand
values. And really, the brand

1787
01:43:37,320 --> 01:43:40,950
safety protections that they
enable should be reflective of

1788
01:43:40,950 --> 01:43:45,300
all of that. So while we
certainly can come up with, you

1789
01:43:45,300 --> 01:43:48,540
know, sort of a generic
definition of brand safety as a

1790
01:43:48,540 --> 01:43:51,930
practice, you know, what's
really critical is that every

1791
01:43:51,930 --> 01:43:56,430
company address, how they're
going to implement protection

1792
01:43:56,640 --> 01:44:00,660
that's in line with their own
products and positioning, brand

1793
01:44:00,660 --> 01:44:04,320
safety can absolutely have a
bottom line impact. There's a

1794
01:44:04,320 --> 01:44:12,270
2017 report that says 85% of
brand marketers are making a

1795
01:44:12,270 --> 01:44:17,070
priority the improvement of
their brand safety positioning

1796
01:44:17,100 --> 01:44:20,400
in digital media. And why are
they doing this, this isn't

1797
01:44:21,060 --> 01:44:26,790
simply an issue about the
performance of you know, their

1798
01:44:26,790 --> 01:44:31,680
ad spend. This is this is a much
broader issue. companies spend

1799
01:44:31,680 --> 01:44:35,820
substantially on ensuring that
consumers have a positive

1800
01:44:35,820 --> 01:44:40,050
experience across all their
interactions with the brand they

1801
01:44:40,050 --> 01:44:44,400
spend it on products and
packaging, they spend it on, on

1802
01:44:44,400 --> 01:44:48,030
service and support and they
spend it on you know, even

1803
01:44:48,390 --> 01:44:53,220
potentially the causes or
charities that they sponsor. And

1804
01:44:53,250 --> 01:44:58,440
you know, every time there's a
poor online ad placement that is

1805
01:44:58,440 --> 01:45:01,830
not aligned with the brand
position Listening. Yes

1806
01:45:01,830 --> 01:45:07,650
absolutely wastes part of the
media spend. But it also damages

1807
01:45:07,680 --> 01:45:10,170
at that brand equity that
they're trying to build up

1808
01:45:10,170 --> 01:45:14,730
through their entire product and
service portfolio. And this is

1809
01:45:14,730 --> 01:45:18,930
really why we see and why that
study shows that, you know, six

1810
01:45:18,930 --> 01:45:22,080
out of seven brand marketers
have have prioritized the

1811
01:45:22,080 --> 01:45:26,010
improvement of brand safety in
their digital ads. The

1812
01:45:26,010 --> 01:45:33,030
statistics that we see here are
that the threat of brand safety

1813
01:45:33,060 --> 01:45:37,230
presents a threat to digital ad
budgets. So whether you're a

1814
01:45:37,590 --> 01:45:40,410
content creating publisher,
whether you're an ad delivery

1815
01:45:40,410 --> 01:45:44,520
platform, whether your media
buying agency, all of these

1816
01:45:44,520 --> 01:45:49,380
participants in the digital
ecosystem are you know, tied to

1817
01:45:49,380 --> 01:45:52,650
the performance of digital ad
budgets and why every

1818
01:45:52,650 --> 01:45:56,250
participant in the digital
ecosystem has to pay attention

1819
01:45:56,250 --> 01:46:00,690
to and help facilitate effective
brand safety protection.

1820
01:46:01,110 --> 01:46:04,740
Now you understand why it's a
big deal, because there's 100

1821
01:46:04,740 --> 01:46:10,230
million $100 billion a year. And
if there's a fuckup with

1822
01:46:10,230 --> 01:46:13,740
something that does not give the
brand a good positive

1823
01:46:13,770 --> 01:46:18,090
experience, if there's a mich
mismatch, it takes Oh, directly

1824
01:46:18,090 --> 01:46:21,330
away from the budgets. I'm not
saying this is the advertising

1825
01:46:21,330 --> 01:46:26,280
industry will use a lot of
buzzwords, but it's true. So we

1826
01:46:26,280 --> 01:46:29,940
had the big freakout. In 2017
YouTube hit with another ad

1827
01:46:29,940 --> 01:46:33,150
scandal Procter and Gamble,
leaving the platform giant

1828
01:46:33,150 --> 01:46:36,420
advertiser, Unilever threatens
to pull its ads from Facebook

1829
01:46:36,420 --> 01:46:40,560
and Google over toxic content.
Advertisers fleeing YouTube to

1830
01:46:40,560 --> 01:46:45,120
avoid directly funding creators
of hate YouTube struggles with

1831
01:46:45,120 --> 01:46:50,400
advertiser versus conservative
voices conflicts, big tech helps

1832
01:46:50,400 --> 01:46:55,050
advertisers avoid unvetted user
generated content, they were

1833
01:46:55,050 --> 01:46:59,160
freaking out billions of dollars
were leaving Silicon Valley

1834
01:46:59,160 --> 01:47:03,180
platforms. So they had only one
way to go. They had to

1835
01:47:03,180 --> 01:47:10,290
immediately stop anything that
is toxic to the brands. So 2019,

1836
01:47:10,290 --> 01:47:13,860
we had the big con festival,
it's where all the advertisers

1837
01:47:13,860 --> 01:47:17,520
go the lions festival. And they
came up with their group. And

1838
01:47:17,520 --> 01:47:23,670
they and the main theme of 2019
was brand safety. I have a

1839
01:47:23,670 --> 01:47:29,970
couple clips here. This is the
CEO of WPP, the largest

1840
01:47:29,970 --> 01:47:32,970
advertising entity in the world,
what are they? What are their

1841
01:47:32,970 --> 01:47:35,370
annual billings, John, they've
got to be 50 don't know what

1842
01:47:35,370 --> 01:47:38,580
they are. But they bought
everybody that $50 billion, at

1843
01:47:38,580 --> 01:47:42,480
least and they are in charge of
spending it in Silicon Valley.

1844
01:47:43,260 --> 01:47:47,910
His name is Mark Reed. And we're
going to listen to Him speaking

1845
01:47:47,910 --> 01:47:50,040
about brand safety and his
concerns.

1846
01:47:50,070 --> 01:47:54,270
So one of the things that you're
here discussing at the lions, is

1847
01:47:54,360 --> 01:47:58,650
this new alliance focus on brand
safety. Why is it so important

1848
01:47:58,770 --> 01:48:00,660
for you and for your clients,
but it's

1849
01:48:00,660 --> 01:48:02,250
Unknown: critical for our
clients. You know, when I talk

1850
01:48:02,250 --> 01:48:05,100
to our clients, they're really
concerned about the platforms on

1851
01:48:05,100 --> 01:48:07,110
which their messages are
received. They want them to be

1852
01:48:07,110 --> 01:48:10,500
in brand safe platforms, they're
responsible. So we're really

1853
01:48:10,500 --> 01:48:14,880
working with, you know, Google,
Facebook, Twitter, we bought 16

1854
01:48:14,880 --> 01:48:17,880
advertisers together for the
major holding companies. We

1855
01:48:17,880 --> 01:48:20,760
launched it this morning at the
WP beach. And it's really an

1856
01:48:20,760 --> 01:48:24,000
initiative to bring these people
together for collective action

1857
01:48:24,060 --> 01:48:28,500
to make sure that platforms are
safe places for our clients to

1858
01:48:28,530 --> 01:48:29,640
reach their consumers

1859
01:48:29,670 --> 01:48:32,940
John C. Dvorak: so loud for me
what this brand safety issue has

1860
01:48:32,970 --> 01:48:36,540
done to advertisers on YouTube
and Facebook, are these no

1861
01:48:36,540 --> 01:48:39,660
longer considered safe platforms
for brands?

1862
01:48:39,720 --> 01:48:42,720
Unknown: But I think, you know,
the first issue was our clients

1863
01:48:42,720 --> 01:48:45,540
messages appearing alongside
content that they shouldn't be.

1864
01:48:45,540 --> 01:48:47,970
And I think clients are very
clear that you know, they don't

1865
01:48:47,970 --> 01:48:50,190
want that to happen. And I think
the platform's have done it

1866
01:48:50,190 --> 01:48:53,460
another bad job at taking down
your the most of the sort of

1867
01:48:53,460 --> 01:48:57,660
content that concerns and they
probably made better progress

1868
01:48:57,660 --> 01:49:00,750
with terrorists leaked images.
And elsewhere, they made good

1869
01:49:00,750 --> 01:49:03,450
progress on that. I think what
constants of nature is making

1870
01:49:03,450 --> 01:49:06,960
sure the pumps overall are safe,
not just where their content is,

1871
01:49:06,960 --> 01:49:11,340
but all of the content. So I
think it's really a industry

1872
01:49:11,340 --> 01:49:14,070
initiative that we need to push
forward much harder.

1873
01:49:14,190 --> 01:49:16,740
Adam Curry: Yes, they need to
push it forward much harder. And

1874
01:49:16,740 --> 01:49:20,580
they push very hard because
these guys own Silicon Valley

1875
01:49:20,640 --> 01:49:21,900
with a lot of money.

1876
01:49:21,930 --> 01:49:24,150
Unknown: When we have robust
discussions with Facebook, you

1877
01:49:24,150 --> 01:49:26,700
know, we spend $8 billion across
Google and Facebook I

1878
01:49:26,700 --> 01:49:29,760
Adam Curry: just repeat that we
spend $8 billion dollars across

1879
01:49:29,760 --> 01:49:33,840
Google and Facebook per year one
advertising conglomerate,

1880
01:49:33,840 --> 01:49:36,270
there's another one called Omni
comm just a little bit smaller,

1881
01:49:36,270 --> 01:49:39,630
but the same size. This guy owns
these bitches.

1882
01:49:39,660 --> 01:49:41,820
Unknown: We have robust
discussions with Facebook, you

1883
01:49:41,820 --> 01:49:44,250
know, we spend a billion dollars
across Google and Facebook

1884
01:49:44,250 --> 01:49:46,650
platforms. We have a robust
discussion with them. When we

1885
01:49:46,650 --> 01:49:49,380
have a you know, back and forth
on what they need to do. I think

1886
01:49:49,380 --> 01:49:51,690
even they would say they haven't
done enough. You know what I

1887
01:49:51,750 --> 01:49:55,200
listened to Sheryl Sandberg and
I'm talking to her on Thursday

1888
01:49:55,200 --> 01:49:57,780
here in Cannes or Kalani,
listen, I think they would admit

1889
01:49:57,780 --> 01:49:59,970
that they need to do more. So I
think there's a general look

1890
01:50:00,000 --> 01:50:02,970
stepson's and I think there's a
degree of frustration that we're

1891
01:50:02,970 --> 01:50:06,180
in this position, but a desire
to make progress.

1892
01:50:06,390 --> 01:50:09,780
What are the other platforms
that you think could be powerful

1893
01:50:09,780 --> 01:50:13,770
third players to that digital
duopoly? Is it Amazon? Is it

1894
01:50:13,770 --> 01:50:16,620
snap? Is it Twitter? Who is the
rising force that we should be

1895
01:50:16,620 --> 01:50:17,580
paying attention to?

1896
01:50:17,610 --> 01:50:20,370
Or the interest now the Alibaba
is now the third largest media

1897
01:50:20,370 --> 01:50:23,070
platform, right? So we need to
look within China to find, you

1898
01:50:23,070 --> 01:50:26,190
know, a third largest digital
media platform, I certainly

1899
01:50:26,190 --> 01:50:29,280
think that Amazon is the closest
thing to commerce makes it a

1900
01:50:29,280 --> 01:50:33,030
very powerful platform. My sense
here is that snap, I don't know,

1901
01:50:33,060 --> 01:50:34,980
my feeling is snap is coming
back.

1902
01:50:35,280 --> 01:50:38,970
Adam Curry: Two things. One,
Amazon is a is a major, major

1903
01:50:38,970 --> 01:50:43,320
competitor for the advertising
based Silicon Valley platforms,

1904
01:50:43,410 --> 01:50:48,060
because Amazon has the direct
connection to sales. And we've

1905
01:50:48,060 --> 01:50:50,340
talked about them and their
advertising capability, they

1906
01:50:50,340 --> 01:50:53,700
track more people than then
Facebook and Twitter combined.

1907
01:50:53,700 --> 01:50:56,130
They're not at Google's level,
but they're getting damn close.

1908
01:50:56,250 --> 01:50:59,940
And they have the talking to you
remember, so they have a lot of

1909
01:50:59,940 --> 01:51:03,360
data about people. And the
platforms are worried about

1910
01:51:03,360 --> 01:51:07,380
Amazon. Why is Snapchat Why is
snap interesting, because the

1911
01:51:07,380 --> 01:51:10,680
messages are deleted. That's why
there's nothing that hangs

1912
01:51:10,680 --> 01:51:13,890
around that can be seen as
something bad for the brand. And

1913
01:51:13,890 --> 01:51:16,680
we couldn't see it brand guide,
the message is auto deleted, I

1914
01:51:16,680 --> 01:51:17,520
don't know where it went.

1915
01:51:18,420 --> 01:51:21,450
Unknown: snapped by there's a
lot more confidence in the

1916
01:51:21,450 --> 01:51:23,820
organization. And I think
they're getting more traction

1917
01:51:24,090 --> 01:51:27,030
with their target audience.
Clearly, the reach is not as big

1918
01:51:27,030 --> 01:51:30,600
as Facebook and Google. But
there are new players coming

1919
01:51:30,600 --> 01:51:32,310
out. And I think we have to be
really interested to see what

1920
01:51:32,310 --> 01:51:35,160
happens from the east, you know,
bytedance, a Chinese company

1921
01:51:35,160 --> 01:51:38,520
that own tick tock here in
Cannes, you know, in a big way

1922
01:51:38,520 --> 01:51:41,340
for the first time. So there's
continued innovation, I think

1923
01:51:41,340 --> 01:51:44,880
the lesson of all industries is
that competition in a does drive

1924
01:51:44,880 --> 01:51:48,030
innovation. So I think the more
competition there is, the better

1925
01:51:48,030 --> 01:51:51,090
it will be in the more diversity
of view. I mean, that's clearly

1926
01:51:51,240 --> 01:51:51,870
a good thing.

1927
01:51:52,050 --> 01:51:55,170
Adam Curry: So they have this,
put together this big Alliance,

1928
01:51:55,380 --> 01:51:59,850
they created a group where they
now talk about everything they

1929
01:51:59,850 --> 01:52:03,930
need, and they've created
something called the brand

1930
01:52:03,930 --> 01:52:09,510
safety floor framework,
advertising assurance into PDF,

1931
01:52:09,510 --> 01:52:13,260
I have it in the show notes. And
these are the things that are

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01:52:13,290 --> 01:52:17,820
not possible for them to
advertise in or around and I

1933
01:52:17,820 --> 01:52:21,210
will go straight to hate speech
and acts of aggression because

1934
01:52:21,210 --> 01:52:24,450
they have adult and explicit
sexual content, arms and

1935
01:52:24,450 --> 01:52:27,570
ammunition. Oh, let me do that
one. Since we're some second

1936
01:52:27,570 --> 01:52:30,810
amendment believers here,
promotion and advocacy of sales

1937
01:52:30,810 --> 01:52:34,260
of illegal arms, rifles and
handguns instructive content and

1938
01:52:34,260 --> 01:52:39,030
how to obtain make distribute or
use illegal arms glamorization

1939
01:52:39,300 --> 01:52:42,960
of arms for purpose to harm
others use of the legal arms and

1940
01:52:42,960 --> 01:52:47,370
unregulated environments,
crimes, crime and harmful acts

1941
01:52:47,370 --> 01:52:53,070
to individuals and society and
human rights violations. So you

1942
01:52:53,070 --> 01:52:56,130
cannot have any content on your
platform that has graphic

1943
01:52:56,130 --> 01:52:58,920
promotion, advocacy and
depiction of willful harm.

1944
01:52:59,130 --> 01:53:04,650
Actual unlawful active criminal
activity, which we know is, is

1945
01:53:04,680 --> 01:53:08,430
available everywhere. Pay speech
and acts of aggression. unlawful

1946
01:53:08,430 --> 01:53:12,930
acts of aggression based on
race, nationality, ethnicity,

1947
01:53:13,020 --> 01:53:17,310
religious affiliation, gender or
sexual image or preference,

1948
01:53:17,490 --> 01:53:21,210
behavior or commentary that
incites such hateful acts

1949
01:53:21,210 --> 01:53:24,810
including bullying. This is no
longer accepted for the $8

1950
01:53:24,810 --> 01:53:30,750
billion this guy spends in
Silicon Valley. Promotion and

1951
01:53:30,750 --> 01:53:35,190
advocacy of tobacco and E
cigarettes vaping and alcohol

1952
01:53:35,190 --> 01:53:38,700
use to minors, you got to wonder
about is why some of this

1953
01:53:38,700 --> 01:53:42,000
legislation was coming up about
getting rid of it. And then

1954
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finally my favorite sensitive
social issues slash violations

1955
01:53:46,650 --> 01:53:50,910
of human rights to risk
disrespectful and harmful

1956
01:53:50,910 --> 01:53:55,980
treatment of sensitive social
topics, examples, abortion,

1957
01:53:56,160 --> 01:54:01,260
extreme political positions, act
language and gestures deemed

1958
01:54:01,290 --> 01:54:05,010
illegal not otherwise outlined
in this framework, such as harm

1959
01:54:05,010 --> 01:54:08,700
to self or animal cruelty,
targeted harassment of

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01:54:08,730 --> 01:54:12,390
individuals and groups. That's
right from Twitter's TOS

1961
01:54:12,480 --> 01:54:15,060
targeted harassment of
individuals and groups,

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anything, anything like this,
and the brand walks away. So

1963
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when you think that Silicon
Valley are filled with a bunch

1964
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of leftist douchebags who just
want to silence conservative

1965
01:54:27,930 --> 01:54:32,670
voices? Yes, of course they are.
Of course now that it's handy

1966
01:54:32,670 --> 01:54:35,490
for them their left is
douchebags I think John, we

1967
01:54:35,490 --> 01:54:38,280
could both say that these people
were more right wing capitalist

1968
01:54:38,280 --> 01:54:42,630
fuckwad before all that before
Obama. They were really I mean,

1969
01:54:42,630 --> 01:54:46,260
they were hippies, but they were
all about money and capitalism

1970
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and all that went out the door.

1971
01:54:47,910 --> 01:54:50,220
John C. Dvorak: There were a
libertarian, right wing

1972
01:54:50,220 --> 01:54:51,330
Adam Curry: libertarian. Okay.

1973
01:54:51,750 --> 01:54:58,620
John C. Dvorak: So you're all in
on on. On Atlas Shrugged.

1974
01:54:58,800 --> 01:55:02,250
Adam Curry: Yeah, exactly. Thank
you very much Atlas Shrugged I

1975
01:55:02,250 --> 01:55:09,840
in ran. Exactly. And that was
2007 2008. And that changed now?

1976
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Yes, it? Well that. Yeah, I
think only for this one reason

1977
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and you look at Media Matters
and little groups really like

1978
01:55:18,930 --> 01:55:23,400
sleeping giants. They are the
ones that made this connection.

1979
01:55:23,580 --> 01:55:28,110
They are out there every single
day messaging big brands and

1980
01:55:28,110 --> 01:55:32,700
saying, Oh, do you know that
this brand is advertising on

1981
01:55:32,730 --> 01:55:36,660
blah, blah, blah, who's a Nazi
right wing alt right fake news

1982
01:55:36,660 --> 01:55:41,190
Baba Baba. And the brands all
immediately go, I will take it

1983
01:55:41,190 --> 01:55:43,980
off. So yeah, of course,

1984
01:55:44,310 --> 01:55:47,040
John C. Dvorak: that's back at
this this thesis up. I mean, I'm

1985
01:55:47,040 --> 01:55:49,530
not gonna argue with you.
Personally, I don't think the

1986
01:55:49,530 --> 01:55:53,490
laundry list of bad things is a
bad thing. To be honest about,

1987
01:55:53,490 --> 01:55:56,580
if I was an advertiser, I don't
want my advertising showing up

1988
01:55:56,580 --> 01:55:59,190
again, you know, against some
certain kinds of people that are

1989
01:55:59,190 --> 01:56:04,080
bitching and moaning about
whatever. But this really goes

1990
01:56:04,080 --> 01:56:07,380
back a couple of steps. Because
if you go back to the 60s and

1991
01:56:07,380 --> 01:56:11,490
70s, it was the right wing
pressure groups, these family

1992
01:56:12,000 --> 01:56:15,960
operations in this, especially
in the 70s, that were pressuring

1993
01:56:15,960 --> 01:56:20,640
advertisers to get away from
certain messages that were left

1994
01:56:20,640 --> 01:56:25,230
wing. And it was Media Matters
in the others who took the cue

1995
01:56:25,230 --> 01:56:28,800
from the right wingers and how
to do it, and they just do it

1996
01:56:28,800 --> 01:56:29,370
better.

1997
01:56:30,360 --> 01:56:33,390
Adam Curry: So that means you're
making my point for me, it

1998
01:56:33,390 --> 01:56:35,220
doesn't matter who's doing your
point.

1999
01:56:35,460 --> 01:56:38,700
John C. Dvorak: And what that
means is that which I think you

2000
01:56:38,700 --> 01:56:43,320
would agree with, if the left
wing took the cue from the right

2001
01:56:43,320 --> 01:56:47,040
wing and did it better, that
means the right wing can up

2002
01:56:47,040 --> 01:56:50,760
their game Exactly. And do it
better than the left wing and

2003
01:56:50,760 --> 01:56:55,290
Media Matters, and really take
it to another level and quash

2004
01:56:55,860 --> 01:57:00,360
what's been going on currently,
which is what looks like a purge

2005
01:57:00,750 --> 01:57:05,190
of people like Paul Watson, the
other people who were actually

2006
01:57:05,190 --> 01:57:11,490
to me humorists in their
cynicism. But yeah, this is a

2007
01:57:11,490 --> 01:57:14,490
this is a real, interesting
situation. And by the end, it

2008
01:57:14,490 --> 01:57:18,990
also backs up your thesis. The
fact that this is the reason why

2009
01:57:18,990 --> 01:57:23,070
this show is done the way it's
done, yes, even though we don't

2010
01:57:23,070 --> 01:57:25,260
want because I look at those
money numbers, too. And I say,

2011
01:57:25,260 --> 01:57:28,860
you know, if the two of us put
together some operation that was

2012
01:57:28,860 --> 01:57:34,710
just designed to exploit that
money, that money flow, without

2013
01:57:34,740 --> 01:57:36,600
we wouldn't be able to do
anything we're doing on this

2014
01:57:36,600 --> 01:57:40,380
show. None of it. So but we
could do something that would

2015
01:57:40,380 --> 01:57:43,530
work. And it would be could
exploit the money flowing,

2016
01:57:43,530 --> 01:57:45,900
especially since you've already
we've already worked on that

2017
01:57:45,900 --> 01:57:49,230
day, or at me VO. And you've
seen how people have done a

2018
01:57:49,230 --> 01:57:52,800
better job of it with different
approaches. It could be done.

2019
01:57:52,950 --> 01:57:56,130
But again, nothing that we're
talking about on this show could

2020
01:57:56,220 --> 01:57:59,550
ever be done. And that's why we
need the support of our

2021
01:57:59,550 --> 01:58:00,240
listeners.

2022
01:58:01,080 --> 01:58:02,640
Adam Curry: It's a little too
early on the pitch. I was

2023
01:58:02,640 --> 01:58:07,260
getting there. I just have that.
I liked it. I liked it. I liked

2024
01:58:07,260 --> 01:58:13,440
it a lot. The pitch was good. So
the point is, if you need to go

2025
01:58:13,440 --> 01:58:17,580
after the big brands, they will
buckle they're incredibly

2026
01:58:17,580 --> 01:58:20,310
afraid. But there is no
organism. Well, that's

2027
01:58:20,310 --> 01:58:23,220
organization, everyone's organ
and rising around. You know Tim

2028
01:58:23,220 --> 01:58:27,750
Poole yet Dave, Tim Poole, Tim
Kass, if he went out and said,

2029
01:58:27,780 --> 01:58:32,130
hey, you know, Gillette, the
best a man can get, which they

2030
01:58:32,130 --> 01:58:36,360
changed their their slogan to
the best a man can be it was a

2031
01:58:36,360 --> 01:58:41,850
failure. It was a failure. Their
sales went down after that. If

2032
01:58:41,850 --> 01:58:46,650
Tim Poole or anyone else who you
know, died, I know. Stefan

2033
01:58:46,650 --> 01:58:49,110
Molyneux all these guys, they
all got together and said, You

2034
01:58:49,110 --> 01:58:52,770
know what, Gillette, screw you.
I'm going with Harry's razor,

2035
01:58:53,010 --> 01:58:56,850
which I am boycotting Gillette,
you want to see how fast things

2036
01:58:56,850 --> 01:58:59,730
happen. Get your voice out
there. You want to see people

2037
01:58:59,730 --> 01:59:02,460
being brought back onto the
platform. Thank you for bringing

2038
01:59:02,460 --> 01:59:05,940
that up, John. It doesn't matter
if it's left or right. Because

2039
01:59:05,940 --> 01:59:08,520
when it was the right doing it,
they did the same thing. They're

2040
01:59:08,520 --> 01:59:12,270
chickenshit they are so worried
about their perceived brand. We

2041
01:59:12,270 --> 01:59:15,240
want people to believe in us.
But people don't believe in them

2042
01:59:15,270 --> 01:59:19,050
anymore because they don't have
that brand. Why anymore that

2043
01:59:19,050 --> 01:59:24,510
just it's identity politics for
advertising. So no, absolutely

2044
01:59:24,510 --> 01:59:28,710
no surprise that during pride
month, the month of June, we

2045
01:59:28,710 --> 01:59:33,810
have massive D platforming
because of discourse over gender

2046
01:59:33,930 --> 01:59:37,620
over sex over homosexuality.
People having conversations

2047
01:59:37,620 --> 01:59:40,890
LEFT, RIGHT angry. Oh my god, we
have all our money in the pride

2048
01:59:40,890 --> 01:59:43,680
flag. We got to anyone who's
saying anything horrible, Steven

2049
01:59:43,680 --> 01:59:46,950
Crowder, go away. Do you start
to see the picture? You've got

2050
01:59:46,950 --> 01:59:50,040
to go after the advertisers and
not after these platforms?

2051
01:59:50,100 --> 01:59:53,490
You're wasting your time. So
then people say well, what about

2052
01:59:53,490 --> 01:59:58,980
Reddit? What about the Donald?
What about? Wow, isn't it

2053
01:59:59,010 --> 02:00:04,380
interesting that read it in May
hired a former Twitter and

2054
02:00:04,380 --> 02:00:09,090
Google advertising executive to
build that brand advertising

2055
02:00:09,120 --> 02:00:15,000
business. Her name is Mary and
beliveau. And she is here being

2056
02:00:15,000 --> 02:00:19,230
interviewed with Reddit Chief
Operating Officer, Jen Huang.

2057
02:00:19,380 --> 02:00:22,650
And they have a unique
proposition to brands. This is

2058
02:00:22,650 --> 02:00:25,620
very interesting. They have
something that no one else has

2059
02:00:26,370 --> 02:00:30,510
Twitter and YouTube and Google
and and Facebook's got ai ai

2060
02:00:30,510 --> 02:00:33,060
will stop all the bad talk.
Well, we know that's failing.

2061
02:00:33,270 --> 02:00:34,740
Reddit has a different idea,

2062
02:00:34,830 --> 02:00:39,210
Marianne, your role in regards
to brand sponsorships? What's

2063
02:00:39,210 --> 02:00:42,600
going to be the strategy there?
For Reddit in regards to brand

2064
02:00:42,600 --> 02:00:43,470
sponsorships?

2065
02:00:43,530 --> 02:00:45,840
Yeah. So I think the strategy
and in regard to brand

2066
02:00:45,840 --> 02:00:48,990
sponsorships is really about
making sure that we're tapping

2067
02:00:48,990 --> 02:00:52,650
into authentic communities in a
way that seems real and okay to

2068
02:00:52,650 --> 02:00:56,700
them, right. So we're consumers,
everybody needs something. And

2069
02:00:56,700 --> 02:01:00,090
you just want to make sure that
we're getting the affinities

2070
02:01:00,090 --> 02:01:02,940
correct in terms of reaching
people at a moment where they're

2071
02:01:02,940 --> 02:01:06,480
receptive to it, and in a way
that feels authentic. And I

2072
02:01:06,480 --> 02:01:08,490
think it's a really good point,
right. So I think we work with

2073
02:01:08,490 --> 02:01:12,000
brands to try to be creative and
bring the magic in the places

2074
02:01:12,000 --> 02:01:12,480
that it matters.

2075
02:01:12,510 --> 02:01:15,570
Well, I'm glad you bring that
up, Jen. Because Jen, you know,

2076
02:01:15,600 --> 02:01:18,450
Reddit is a place for a wide
swath of different

2077
02:01:18,450 --> 02:01:21,870
personalities, opinions,
perspectives, all of that, you

2078
02:01:22,080 --> 02:01:25,050
know, brands are very risk
adverse. So how do you make

2079
02:01:25,050 --> 02:01:29,220
Reddit a welcoming environment,
when we know that it's got to be

2080
02:01:29,220 --> 02:01:30,810
to the ethos of what Reddit is,

2081
02:01:30,840 --> 02:01:32,970
alright, so let's just stop
there. Because what you're

2082
02:01:32,970 --> 02:01:37,140
hearing here is real life,
billions of dollars worth of

2083
02:01:37,680 --> 02:01:40,740
business, and how that's going
to be handled. So you need a lot

2084
02:01:40,740 --> 02:01:44,520
of the, the brand has to connect
to the people. So this is the

2085
02:01:44,670 --> 02:01:47,910
inspirational part of the brand.
It has to be the right people.

2086
02:01:47,970 --> 02:01:51,000
So it's in the community, that's
bullshit. How do we get as much

2087
02:01:51,000 --> 02:01:53,580
money in as possible? Well, we
can show them a better way.

2088
02:01:53,610 --> 02:01:55,290
Unknown: Yeah, it's a great
question. So

2089
02:01:55,350 --> 02:01:56,460
Adam Curry: it's a great
question, too,

2090
02:01:56,490 --> 02:02:01,110
we start with the question
brands should be equal members

2091
02:02:01,110 --> 02:02:04,260
in the community. And when
you're a member in a community,

2092
02:02:04,290 --> 02:02:07,680
it means that you have to
observe the values, mores, and

2093
02:02:07,680 --> 02:02:11,880
rules set by the community, just
like everybody else. So when

2094
02:02:11,880 --> 02:02:14,820
brands understand that, and they
that's their starting place,

2095
02:02:15,150 --> 02:02:16,140
already started off on

2096
02:02:16,140 --> 02:02:18,600
a great foot, just listen to it,
just shut up with

2097
02:02:18,600 --> 02:02:21,480
Unknown: the community. And
that's something that we help

2098
02:02:21,480 --> 02:02:26,580
brands understand. But then on
top of that, we have a whole set

2099
02:02:26,580 --> 02:02:28,890
of things that we do that are
very unique to us in terms of

2100
02:02:28,890 --> 02:02:31,920
moderation, right. So at the
base level, we have policy that

2101
02:02:31,920 --> 02:02:37,200
ensures that we are anti evil
teams able to monitor abuse, and

2102
02:02:37,380 --> 02:02:41,310
apply those anti evil teams
rules and policies. The thing

2103
02:02:41,310 --> 02:02:44,160
that's really unique about
Reddit is that second layer of

2104
02:02:44,160 --> 02:02:48,420
human moderation. So on. Unlike
other platforms, we have a

2105
02:02:48,420 --> 02:02:52,350
system where every single
community so over 150,000,

2106
02:02:52,350 --> 02:02:57,300
communities have five to 50
Human moderators who set rules

2107
02:02:57,540 --> 02:03:00,450
to keep the conversation on top
all of those communities is

2108
02:03:00,450 --> 02:03:03,570
where all of our content comes
from. Right. So nothing makes it

2109
02:03:03,570 --> 02:03:08,580
into the front page or the feed
that isn't already moderated by

2110
02:03:08,580 --> 02:03:11,880
the community. The second is we
have an upvote and downvote

2111
02:03:11,880 --> 02:03:16,470
system that's really powerful to
have both so that users can

2112
02:03:16,470 --> 02:03:19,800
actually weigh in on what is
appropriate content and what's

2113
02:03:19,800 --> 02:03:20,520
good content.

2114
02:03:20,580 --> 02:03:22,590
Adam Curry: And there it is.
This is a whole new

2115
02:03:22,590 --> 02:03:27,180
presentation. And they're saying
we have human moderators, we

2116
02:03:27,180 --> 02:03:31,980
have 15 to 50 moderators before
anything surfaces up high enough

2117
02:03:31,980 --> 02:03:35,190
for your brand to be tainted by
it. Don't worry, you're safe

2118
02:03:35,190 --> 02:03:38,460
with us. We got this lady over
here. She knows the inside

2119
02:03:38,460 --> 02:03:42,210
workings of Twitter and Google.
We figured it out. We've tackled

2120
02:03:42,210 --> 02:03:45,840
it, they hired 60 People six
zero 60 people in New York for

2121
02:03:45,840 --> 02:03:52,530
brand advertising. And then they
quarantine the Donald. Well, of

2122
02:03:52,530 --> 02:03:56,010
course they do. They're pitching
this to advertisers. What are

2123
02:03:56,010 --> 02:03:58,200
you doing about all that
horrible discourse, all these

2124
02:03:58,200 --> 02:04:01,380
old right people on the Donald
subreddit, we've quarantined

2125
02:04:01,380 --> 02:04:06,840
that. So if you want to be
effective, and if you are

2126
02:04:06,840 --> 02:04:10,020
worried about free speech, and
you really feel you need to use

2127
02:04:10,020 --> 02:04:13,440
these platforms, which I'm
against, and you need to go

2128
02:04:13,440 --> 02:04:18,960
after the advertisers. And stop
bitching and moaning about

2129
02:04:18,960 --> 02:04:22,110
censoring go after the
advertisers go for the jugular

2130
02:04:22,110 --> 02:04:26,430
where the money is. This is
where we could get into our

2131
02:04:26,430 --> 02:04:29,220
pitch. Oh, the final thing I
want to say I got a note from

2132
02:04:29,250 --> 02:04:29,730
where we could

2133
02:04:29,730 --> 02:04:32,730
John C. Dvorak: this is another
exit strategy. We could start

2134
02:04:32,730 --> 02:04:33,360
that group.

2135
02:04:35,070 --> 02:04:39,090
Adam Curry: Oh, interesting.
What group the the the anti

2136
02:04:39,240 --> 02:04:40,320
brand group that

2137
02:04:40,320 --> 02:04:42,840
John C. Dvorak: Media Matters,
Greg rebiya Media Matters that

2138
02:04:42,840 --> 02:04:43,950
no agenda matters.

2139
02:04:46,140 --> 02:04:49,230
Adam Curry: Yeah, well, I just
wanted to mention, you know, the

2140
02:04:49,260 --> 02:04:52,800
Google of YouTube specifically,
is having issues with their

2141
02:04:52,800 --> 02:04:56,070
recommendations so that they
need to figure out you know, how

2142
02:04:56,070 --> 02:04:59,520
do we recommend stuff to people?
That is the right stuff and is

2143
02:04:59,520 --> 02:05:03,630
not new? I'm putting our our
advertising business in

2144
02:05:03,630 --> 02:05:08,460
jeopardy. And we got a note from
Ali Jade nally Jade is our

2145
02:05:08,460 --> 02:05:11,760
official no agenda producer
experiencing transgender. And

2146
02:05:11,760 --> 02:05:14,940
she says that she had signed up
for some Google rewards where

2147
02:05:14,940 --> 02:05:19,860
they pay pennies to you to look
at stuff and answer and N and

2148
02:05:19,860 --> 02:05:22,860
she believes that she's been
targeted as transgender to

2149
02:05:22,860 --> 02:05:26,070
review certain YouTube videos.
Well they'll do as I say, Here's

2150
02:05:26,070 --> 02:05:30,210
a video. What would you want to
see next this video or that

2151
02:05:30,210 --> 02:05:34,770
video so she's helping to train
the algos based on her

2152
02:05:34,770 --> 02:05:36,540
transgender experience

2153
02:05:38,130 --> 02:05:39,480
there's a lot going on

2154
02:05:43,620 --> 02:05:47,400
John C. Dvorak: these guys
aren't making enough money which

2155
02:05:47,400 --> 02:05:49,290
guys aren't making enough money
all of them.

2156
02:05:50,730 --> 02:05:52,620
Adam Curry: They've taken an
awful lot out of the market.

2157
02:05:52,620 --> 02:05:53,700
I'll tell you that they're
taking

2158
02:05:53,700 --> 02:05:55,260
John C. Dvorak: it out of the
market and the market should

2159
02:05:55,290 --> 02:05:58,560
yeah, I can see why they'd be
concerned and other and I can

2160
02:05:58,560 --> 02:06:03,300
see why there'd be this nonsense
that bowls that Truman talks

2161
02:06:03,300 --> 02:06:07,770
like this because he's part of a
community that is a subgroup by

2162
02:06:07,770 --> 02:06:14,820
the way that is a milieu of
women. And that is a bogus but

2163
02:06:14,820 --> 02:06:19,140
very appealing argument. In
other words, she's they're

2164
02:06:19,140 --> 02:06:22,410
bypassing the AI doesn't work.
Yep. There's what she's saying

2165
02:06:22,410 --> 02:06:24,360
the it doesn't work. It doesn't
work. We know it doesn't work.

2166
02:06:24,360 --> 02:06:25,920
That's why there's these
problems. And there's

2167
02:06:25,950 --> 02:06:27,960
Adam Curry: other platforms you
said it worked she said it

2168
02:06:27,960 --> 02:06:30,210
literally other platforms now
they got problems. They can't do

2169
02:06:30,210 --> 02:06:30,480
it. There we

2170
02:06:30,480 --> 02:06:34,620
John C. Dvorak: go. We get
layers layers, instead of the

2171
02:06:34,620 --> 02:06:37,560
problem with them to get one
layer human and then disease AI

2172
02:06:37,560 --> 02:06:40,890
that doesn't work. We got 25
layers of humans you can't get

2173
02:06:40,890 --> 02:06:43,320
by him. Yeah, it's a good pitch.

2174
02:06:43,769 --> 02:06:46,709
Adam Curry: So the weights no
crap. It's not an it's not an

2175
02:06:46,709 --> 02:06:49,559
egg. Of course. It's bull crap.
That's it's obvious bullcrap.

2176
02:06:49,559 --> 02:06:52,499
Because they had to quarantine
the Donald subreddit because

2177
02:06:52,529 --> 02:06:55,739
they could not contain it. But
they just can any one of the

2178
02:06:55,739 --> 02:06:59,129
main things No, no monetization
of that group, you know. So

2179
02:06:59,129 --> 02:07:02,549
they're, they're going in big on
brand advertising. And they're

2180
02:07:02,549 --> 02:07:05,219
going to try and grab some away
yet another competitor, so this

2181
02:07:05,219 --> 02:07:08,939
is heating up. But what you want
to do is instead of immediate

2182
02:07:08,939 --> 02:07:12,299
matters, or you know, squashing
What is it farting, giants,

2183
02:07:12,299 --> 02:07:15,629
whatever their name is, you want
to be something like I don't

2184
02:07:15,629 --> 02:07:20,249
know conservatives buy shit to
That's the message you want to

2185
02:07:20,249 --> 02:07:23,669
communicate. Because it will
work.

2186
02:07:24,780 --> 02:07:26,430
John C. Dvorak: But now, yeah,
just has to be structured

2187
02:07:26,430 --> 02:07:29,310
Unknown: correctly. Yeah. And I
don't think that's up to us to

2188
02:07:29,310 --> 02:07:30,690
do. Well,

2189
02:07:31,050 --> 02:07:33,150
John C. Dvorak: we could do it.
We have the skills.

2190
02:07:34,620 --> 02:07:36,870
Adam Curry: Well, the way
donations are going, we might

2191
02:07:36,870 --> 02:07:37,890
have to resort to it.

2192
02:07:38,460 --> 02:07:41,280
Unknown: I'm gonna show my mood
by donating to no agenda.

2193
02:07:41,310 --> 02:07:44,100
Imagine all the people who could
do that. Oh, yeah, that'd be

2194
02:07:44,100 --> 02:07:44,460
fun.

2195
02:07:51,990 --> 02:07:53,850
John C. Dvorak: We do have a few
people to think of your issue.

2196
02:07:54,510 --> 02:07:59,850
Sir. Starting with surveillance
$152 He wants a jobs karma for

2197
02:07:59,850 --> 02:08:02,520
his daughter. We'll give them
that at the very end. Austin

2198
02:08:02,520 --> 02:08:10,980
Wilson $133.33 He's in Sammamish
Oh, Washington. Washington Yeah.

2199
02:08:12,630 --> 02:08:18,300
died that is. What is this? Sir?
How are you sir Austin to the

2200
02:08:18,300 --> 02:08:23,430
snowy cascades. And Dame Laura
of the snowy cascades, okay.

2201
02:08:25,110 --> 02:08:28,800
Yeah. Chris Casey $100.33.

2202
02:08:29,190 --> 02:08:32,130
Adam Curry: Once a deed douching
today is also his birthday.

2203
02:08:34,050 --> 02:08:38,970
John C. Dvorak: Ben de duced
birthday list. David Boswell in

2204
02:08:38,970 --> 02:08:44,610
Georgetown, Texas. $100 even
Baron Walkman of the buckeye.

2205
02:08:44,670 --> 02:08:58,020
808 William Alston of Baltimore.
Dollars He's says Portland or

2206
02:08:58,020 --> 02:09:03,360
Okay. saw on the Twitter's What
is this? What are you reading?

2207
02:09:03,660 --> 02:09:07,140
Sir Kevin McLaughlin. Vikon of
Aluna Lucas, North Carolina

2208
02:09:07,170 --> 02:09:09,720
eight 8006 The lopsided boot and
he wants

2209
02:09:09,720 --> 02:09:12,840
Adam Curry: an F cancer karma
for his uncle Huey. We'll do

2210
02:09:12,840 --> 02:09:14,010
that in a moment.

2211
02:09:15,120 --> 02:09:20,520
John C. Dvorak: Gordon Jones in
Sikeston, Missouri. 74 of the 70

2212
02:09:20,520 --> 02:09:24,150
showed the kiss. This is the
Americans versus the Canadians.

2213
02:09:24,480 --> 02:09:28,950
Round 170 $4 It means you're
celebrating the Fourth of July

2214
02:09:28,950 --> 02:09:31,680
$71 means you're celebrating
Canada Day.

2215
02:09:31,950 --> 02:09:34,230
Adam Curry: And this so round
one means we're going to have a

2216
02:09:34,230 --> 02:09:36,450
second round on next week

2217
02:09:36,480 --> 02:09:40,290
John C. Dvorak: or the next show
is on the Fourth of July. Okay,

2218
02:09:40,290 --> 02:09:44,820
but so far. Okay. So this one
I'll tell you the score. America

2219
02:09:44,820 --> 02:09:51,690
123456 Canada 1234560.

2220
02:09:51,720 --> 02:09:52,740
Adam Curry: Even Steven

2221
02:09:55,560 --> 02:09:57,600
John C. Dvorak: it'll be over
after the fourth of July because

2222
02:09:57,600 --> 02:10:00,930
Americans have hopefully come in
with 74 hours. I'm sad about the

2223
02:10:00,930 --> 02:10:02,070
Canadians who won't follow

2224
02:10:02,100 --> 02:10:05,460
Adam Curry: Canadian support is
looks pretty dismal. I mean, oh,

2225
02:10:05,460 --> 02:10:08,940
yes, six. I mean, they always
were always following as closely

2226
02:10:08,940 --> 02:10:11,850
as possible that you know,
helping out our northern

2227
02:10:11,850 --> 02:10:13,950
neighbors and that just let me
down here

2228
02:10:14,370 --> 02:10:17,460
John C. Dvorak: $74 For Gordon
Jones, Peter Chung, Stephanie

2229
02:10:17,460 --> 02:10:22,110
Kunkel, Baron Walkman a Buckeye
and Geoffrey fields in new Brook

2230
02:10:22,200 --> 02:10:26,820
new Browns fells new brown fells
Texas Ron fuller on New

2231
02:10:26,820 --> 02:10:32,400
Braunfels, Braunfels, Braunfels,
and Ron Woodbury in St. George,

2232
02:10:32,400 --> 02:10:36,720
Utah. They make a good barbecue
there in that town. Then

2233
02:10:36,720 --> 02:10:42,480
Canada's got anonymous $71 Sir
Alan, Bo's Baron of BC, he came

2234
02:10:42,480 --> 02:10:49,860
in a 71 Richard Don and Mon,
mon, mon Taan. New Brunswick,

2235
02:10:50,220 --> 02:10:54,150
Sir John Knowles, a Baron of
Murfreesboro for some reason.

2236
02:10:55,020 --> 02:11:01,110
Oh, he says you'll be flying to
Canada. So, okay, all right.

2237
02:11:01,140 --> 02:11:05,430
That is even a Canadian Nathan
Kress as even down one. Nathan

2238
02:11:05,430 --> 02:11:09,810
kradic Ben Patrick Sullivan and
sturgeon County, Alberta. Okay.

2239
02:11:11,190 --> 02:11:15,390
Onward with Robert Robert
Bruckner. 5555 Monica de Monica

2240
02:11:15,390 --> 02:11:19,590
Lansing. 5510. Great shows
lately she's barren. So I'm

2241
02:11:19,590 --> 02:11:26,130
sorry. Sir James Knight of the
paradise star 5510. Shawn, Luca,

2242
02:11:26,130 --> 02:11:32,340
Chuck, in Winnipeg, Manitoba.
He's got to save so he counts

2243
02:11:32,340 --> 02:11:34,800
that would you bring the
Canadians up to a plus one and

2244
02:11:34,800 --> 02:11:37,950
then a minus one because Brian
and Murphysboro. So we're back

2245
02:11:37,950 --> 02:11:41,970
to 11. All right. I'm keeping
score. Yeah. And that felt like

2246
02:11:41,970 --> 02:11:45,960
Lastly, we have our group of $50
donors a name and location where

2247
02:11:45,960 --> 02:11:49,290
applicable starting with Eric
nutro. And Flint, Michigan.

2248
02:11:51,150 --> 02:11:56,400
Robert Fittler in Mars,
Pennsylvania, Bryan Matthews in

2249
02:11:56,430 --> 02:12:04,200
Rostov on Don into Soviet Soviet
Russia. Russia, in Russia. All

2250
02:12:04,200 --> 02:12:07,710
right, Sir Brian Watson in
Raleigh, North Carolina. And

2251
02:12:07,710 --> 02:12:11,100
last but not least, and then
with a huge fall off Dean Powell

2252
02:12:11,100 --> 02:12:14,010
in Evanston, Indiana, and then
there's this not even

2253
02:12:15,030 --> 02:12:17,250
Adam Curry: our worst show of
the month.

2254
02:12:17,759 --> 02:12:22,469
John C. Dvorak: It's the worst
show of the month. I think we

2255
02:12:22,469 --> 02:12:26,609
had a worst one worst show than
this is pretty bad. But this

2256
02:12:26,639 --> 02:12:27,539
June swoon.

2257
02:12:27,990 --> 02:12:31,980
Adam Curry: Is a June swoon, or
people just don't like it. Maybe

2258
02:12:31,980 --> 02:12:35,040
they're sick of us maybe is
maybe I haven't been agreeing

2259
02:12:35,040 --> 02:12:39,360
enough with the D platform.
People are very mad. Send me a

2260
02:12:39,360 --> 02:12:42,270
note. Wake up man. Don't you see
what's happening?

2261
02:12:44,370 --> 02:12:46,590
John C. Dvorak: Well, I don't
know. I've to be honest about

2262
02:12:46,590 --> 02:12:50,400
it. I think you've done five of
these so far. The last one I'm

2263
02:12:50,400 --> 02:12:53,820
done now. This was pretty
definitive. Yeah, well, you

2264
02:12:53,820 --> 02:12:56,100
don't get it by now. You're
never gonna get it.

2265
02:12:56,460 --> 02:12:58,500
Adam Curry: Exactly. And then go
ahead run around behind

2266
02:12:58,500 --> 02:13:01,440
everybody yelling censorship,
censorship, if you want to if

2267
02:13:01,440 --> 02:13:05,100
you want to fix this today. You
know what to do?

2268
02:13:05,610 --> 02:13:08,310
John C. Dvorak: Yeah, go after
Nike. I think Nike was the most

2269
02:13:08,310 --> 02:13:12,480
egregious example. Yeah. And you
know, it's true. And you're

2270
02:13:12,480 --> 02:13:15,510
wearing Nike shoes any of you
complaining any of you if you

2271
02:13:15,510 --> 02:13:15,660
got

2272
02:13:15,660 --> 02:13:18,330
Adam Curry: Nike shoes right
now? You should should burn them

2273
02:13:19,260 --> 02:13:20,010
to burn them.

2274
02:13:20,910 --> 02:13:23,700
John C. Dvorak: Well, you should
know on our video if you

2275
02:13:23,700 --> 02:13:27,480
disagree with it. What if you
don't care? Like I don't the

2276
02:13:27,480 --> 02:13:30,840
whole thing to me is a logical
people advertise it what they do

2277
02:13:30,840 --> 02:13:33,240
what they want to do and
advertise. I've never been a big

2278
02:13:33,240 --> 02:13:36,900
fan of that. I won't burn my
Nike shoes now. I don't

2279
02:13:36,990 --> 02:13:39,780
particularly like Nike shoes,
but I won't burn them. You

2280
02:13:39,780 --> 02:13:40,110
should burn

2281
02:13:40,110 --> 02:13:40,950
Adam Curry: them while you're
wearing them.

2282
02:13:42,570 --> 02:13:46,650
John C. Dvorak: When I'm running
man on YouTube, my feet are on

2283
02:13:46,650 --> 02:13:47,040
fire.

2284
02:13:47,610 --> 02:13:50,130
Adam Curry: Anyway, thank you
very much for the people who did

2285
02:13:50,130 --> 02:13:52,320
support the show what is our
value for value system?

2286
02:13:52,560 --> 02:13:54,960
Hopefully we brought you the
value all we ask is that you

2287
02:13:54,960 --> 02:13:57,000
send us whatever you thought it
was worth to you. For some

2288
02:13:57,000 --> 02:13:59,670
people this could be a million
dollar idea that we had

2289
02:13:59,670 --> 02:14:02,370
somewhere for other people. It
could just be keeping you sane

2290
02:14:02,460 --> 02:14:04,740
keeping you a little bit on your
toes thinking a little bit

2291
02:14:04,740 --> 02:14:08,010
differently from the herd. For
others, you know, you don't give

2292
02:14:08,010 --> 02:14:08,070
a

2293
02:14:08,070 --> 02:14:09,990
John C. Dvorak: shit others you
know, there's a stock chip in

2294
02:14:09,990 --> 02:14:11,400
there and nobody noticed I did

2295
02:14:11,429 --> 02:14:14,669
Adam Curry: Oh snap. I know I'm
not the one you're talking

2296
02:14:14,669 --> 02:14:15,839
about. I don't

2297
02:14:15,870 --> 02:14:18,150
John C. Dvorak: know it is
illegal to give stock stock tips

2298
02:14:18,150 --> 02:14:19,830
if you're not doing it, right. I
just

2299
02:14:19,830 --> 02:14:21,990
Adam Curry: had a snap claim. I
just said snap.

2300
02:14:23,340 --> 02:14:25,020
John C. Dvorak: Didn't say that
was what it was. No,

2301
02:14:25,170 --> 02:14:27,120
Adam Curry: no. I'm just saying
like, Oh snap. It's like Oh,

2302
02:14:27,120 --> 02:14:30,240
snap. Yes, it's true. There was
something in there. Yeah.

2303
02:14:31,710 --> 02:14:34,110
Cry crocs for everyone. trucks.

2304
02:14:35,820 --> 02:14:39,180
We return on Thursday with
another episode of what we think

2305
02:14:39,180 --> 02:14:41,820
is the best podcast in the
universe. Don't take it from us.

2306
02:14:41,820 --> 02:14:45,300
It's what is in the Muller
report. So please remember us at

2307
02:14:45,360 --> 02:14:49,080
VO rag.org/and A couple of well

2308
02:14:49,080 --> 02:15:10,770
deserved and requested karmas.
Jobs, jobs and jobs Well it's

2309
02:15:10,770 --> 02:15:13,590
also a very low amount of
birthdays for the calendar

2310
02:15:13,590 --> 02:15:17,340
today. It is the very last day
of June June 30 2019 was a happy

2311
02:15:17,340 --> 02:15:20,070
birthday to Richard file he
turns 50 today welcome to the

2312
02:15:20,070 --> 02:15:24,690
club Richard. Chris Casey
celebrated yesterday and Sir s

2313
02:15:24,690 --> 02:15:30,630
n, which is the symbol for 14
Sir tin in Maryland turns 34

2314
02:15:30,630 --> 02:15:32,820
years old today Happy Birthday
from all your buddies here at

2315
02:15:32,820 --> 02:15:45,690
the best podcast in the universe
don't want to be a douchebag we

2316
02:15:45,690 --> 02:15:49,470
have a title chain for Sir
Julian who has up to standing in

2317
02:15:49,470 --> 02:15:52,830
the no agenda appearance he's
moved up a level to the level of

2318
02:15:52,860 --> 02:15:57,180
IRL thanks to another $1,000
Total donations. Sir Julian Earl

2319
02:15:57,180 --> 02:16:01,260
of the South Bay and autonomous
cars is what he shall be how we

2320
02:16:01,260 --> 02:16:05,460
shall be known from this day
forward and then we do have a

2321
02:16:05,460 --> 02:16:09,750
very joyous occasion today which
is a Daming we've got a lady

2322
02:16:09,780 --> 02:16:13,890
coming in. So I need a well this
is this is actually you should

2323
02:16:13,890 --> 02:16:14,970
do this one John. So

2324
02:16:15,000 --> 02:16:17,190
John C. Dvorak: I think the
short here you're on you're on

2325
02:16:17,190 --> 02:16:18,330
you're you're the best.

2326
02:16:18,360 --> 02:16:19,530
Adam Curry: Well, why don't you
come up here and we're on the

2327
02:16:19,530 --> 02:16:20,100
podium.

2328
02:16:20,309 --> 02:16:21,749
John C. Dvorak: Okay, I'll be
standing Okay, here

2329
02:16:21,750 --> 02:16:26,070
Adam Curry: we go. Anonymous
lesbian. Here we go. It's taken

2330
02:16:26,070 --> 02:16:29,220
a while. But man do we
appreciate your support it means

2331
02:16:29,220 --> 02:16:32,730
a lot to us especially why you
really tuned into the program.

2332
02:16:33,360 --> 02:16:36,870
You have reached the level of
Dame and a belong here at the

2333
02:16:36,870 --> 02:16:39,330
roundtable with the rest of the
Knights in the Dames and

2334
02:16:39,330 --> 02:16:43,710
therefore I N Jhansi Dvorak I'm
very proud to pronounce the K v.

2335
02:16:44,070 --> 02:16:48,990
Dame anonymous lesbian Dame and
Lady of the no agenda round

2336
02:16:48,990 --> 02:16:52,170
table before you we have hookers
and blow rent boys and

2337
02:16:52,170 --> 02:16:55,230
Chardonnay early times and BF
for Captain Morgans and women's

2338
02:16:55,230 --> 02:16:58,920
questionable reputations, bro we
got harlots and have no beer and

2339
02:16:58,920 --> 02:17:01,680
blanc vodka and vanilla bong
hits and bourbon sparkling cider

2340
02:17:01,680 --> 02:17:07,560
and escorts June driven gerbil
and mutton and Mead. Pretty sure

2341
02:17:07,560 --> 02:17:10,680
you like that? Especially the
meat head on over to no agenda

2342
02:17:10,680 --> 02:17:14,940
nation.com/rings And we'll get
that information out to you but

2343
02:17:14,940 --> 02:17:16,710
the information will get the
ring out to you as soon as

2344
02:17:16,710 --> 02:17:22,620
possible. Just give Eric the
shill all of the all of the info

2345
02:17:22,620 --> 02:17:31,950
that he needs ring size etc. No
one's we got some meetups. We

2346
02:17:31,950 --> 02:17:34,770
have one that happening on the
Fourth of July two actually in

2347
02:17:34,770 --> 02:17:38,820
Seattle and in Washington DC now
I got a note from Diem Dame

2348
02:17:38,820 --> 02:17:42,750
Sheila the lady of Lisboa. Adam,
hope you're well I entered a

2349
02:17:42,750 --> 02:17:46,170
meet up a couple days ago for
next Friday, July 5 and Lisbon

2350
02:17:46,380 --> 02:17:49,560
also sent an email to me me it
wasn't mentioned on the show. I

2351
02:17:49,560 --> 02:17:52,440
haven't heard from him. He is it
can you check it? I can't see it

2352
02:17:52,440 --> 02:17:55,650
on the list. So I've put it in
the list here. I forwarded this

2353
02:17:55,650 --> 02:17:59,820
to the back office meanie to see
if there's something wrong with

2354
02:17:59,820 --> 02:18:02,700
your submission. But we're gonna
keep it on our list here July 5

2355
02:18:02,700 --> 02:18:05,460
and Lisbon July 6 in Utrecht,
the Netherlands July 9,

2356
02:18:05,460 --> 02:18:09,780
Knoxville, Tennessee. The 11th
is Charles Charleston. It is

2357
02:18:09,780 --> 02:18:17,130
indeed South Carolina. And this
is organized. I forget which

2358
02:18:17,130 --> 02:18:21,810
Dame is organizing this, but
they're doing the way they're

2359
02:18:21,810 --> 02:18:26,040
doing their meetups. There is a
six week cycle. So every six

2360
02:18:26,040 --> 02:18:29,340
weeks they do a meet up, which I
think is a great idea. Keep it

2361
02:18:29,340 --> 02:18:33,810
on a six week cycle. This is
where you can say you really

2362
02:18:33,810 --> 02:18:37,440
think it's a great idea. It's a
great idea. July 13 Atlanta,

2363
02:18:37,440 --> 02:18:41,160
Georgia July 19 Colorado Springs
Colorado July 20. southwest

2364
02:18:41,160 --> 02:18:44,580
London the 26th St. Louis
Missouri to on the 27th Buffalo,

2365
02:18:44,580 --> 02:18:48,960
New York and Frisco Texas, and
that is the 27th Yes, the final

2366
02:18:48,960 --> 02:18:52,890
one. And you can go to no agenda
meetups.com To find out if

2367
02:18:52,890 --> 02:18:56,370
there's one near you how to get
to any of these what specifics

2368
02:18:56,370 --> 02:18:59,280
they are or if you want to start
one yourself and there was an

2369
02:18:59,280 --> 02:19:04,110
idea from Brandon from Michigan
local one. I don't know if you

2370
02:19:04,110 --> 02:19:10,530
saw this email come in about
peerage for the meetups. So the

2371
02:19:10,530 --> 02:19:14,430
idea is, but I'll read this note
to John. With the growing

2372
02:19:14,430 --> 02:19:17,070
popularity of no agenda meetups,
the question continues to arise

2373
02:19:17,070 --> 02:19:19,350
what do we do with any
collective money donated to the

2374
02:19:19,350 --> 02:19:22,320
show his idea is make the no
agenda meetup community be

2375
02:19:22,320 --> 02:19:26,040
credited example imagine at the
next Michigan local one meetup

2376
02:19:26,040 --> 02:19:29,460
the whole group at the meetup
collectively donates $400 Rather

2377
02:19:29,460 --> 02:19:32,490
than that money be not credited
to anyone have the credit be to

2378
02:19:32,490 --> 02:19:35,730
Michigan local one. To continue
with this. The following is

2379
02:19:35,730 --> 02:19:39,420
various levels apply to Michigan
local ones. So it would be a

2380
02:19:39,420 --> 02:19:47,430
group donation a group level and
they suggest local one at $1,000

2381
02:19:47,430 --> 02:19:52,500
level the shanty town clubhouse
5000 The meeting lodge onwards

2382
02:19:52,740 --> 02:19:56,520
up to the grand a state of
Michigan local one. I just

2383
02:19:56,520 --> 02:19:58,560
thought it was an interesting
idea. So I want to you're in

2384
02:19:58,560 --> 02:20:00,630
charge of the peerage committee
and all that So I want to

2385
02:20:02,100 --> 02:20:05,370
John C. Dvorak: say something,
it's an idea I prefer. If

2386
02:20:05,370 --> 02:20:09,060
somebody's going to collect
money that you have to designate

2387
02:20:09,060 --> 02:20:12,150
a collector. And then I would do
it the same way we collect the

2388
02:20:12,150 --> 02:20:16,530
money normally, which is take
notes on who gave it, put it in

2389
02:20:16,530 --> 02:20:19,770
an envelope and then forwarded
the envelope to us and the post

2390
02:20:19,770 --> 02:20:23,040
office box with all the with all
the applicable notes if there's

2391
02:20:23,040 --> 02:20:26,670
a check. There's only happened
once with Pittsburgh, and it was

2392
02:20:26,670 --> 02:20:33,360
a check in some miscellaneous
cash but it we'll have to think

2393
02:20:33,360 --> 02:20:36,960
about how to do this. So it
works. Okay, I think a lot of

2394
02:20:36,960 --> 02:20:38,640
people like to get to personal
credit.

2395
02:20:40,110 --> 02:20:42,420
Adam Curry: But I think what
he's saying is, they get the

2396
02:20:42,420 --> 02:20:44,640
personal credit, but then
there's a collective.

2397
02:20:45,660 --> 02:20:48,120
John C. Dvorak: So it might make
it competitive, it might be

2398
02:20:48,120 --> 02:20:53,880
interesting, it's possible. Do
consider how to do it. You don't

2399
02:20:53,880 --> 02:20:56,430
We don't want to make it too
complicated. That's the only

2400
02:20:56,430 --> 02:20:56,730
issue.

2401
02:20:58,560 --> 02:21:03,180
Adam Curry: And thank everybody
who came in under $50 for their

2402
02:21:03,330 --> 02:21:07,800
subscriptions, one off
donations, long term layaway

2403
02:21:07,800 --> 02:21:10,110
knighthoods, which do work
plenty of people get to the

2404
02:21:10,110 --> 02:21:12,720
roundtable that way, just thank
you all very much. It's our

2405
02:21:12,720 --> 02:21:16,650
value for value system, you can
see why we cannot participate in

2406
02:21:16,650 --> 02:21:22,020
any manner in the in the brand
advertising space force. We

2407
02:21:22,020 --> 02:21:24,660
can't participate in that
because everything we say on

2408
02:21:24,660 --> 02:21:28,830
every show is pretty much off
message and would not give any

2409
02:21:28,830 --> 02:21:30,870
brand the idea that we're a
happy place

2410
02:21:30,870 --> 02:21:34,860
Unknown: to advertise, unless
there's a shooting range. And

2411
02:21:34,860 --> 02:21:35,730
even that

2412
02:21:36,000 --> 02:21:36,900
Adam Curry: is questionable.

2413
02:21:38,700 --> 02:21:42,300
John C. Dvorak: So, so I have a
couple of notes I want to read,

2414
02:21:42,360 --> 02:21:44,580
Adam Curry: hopefully the one
from the social media spy.

2415
02:21:46,200 --> 02:21:48,210
John C. Dvorak: The No, I don't
have that. Okay. All right. I'll

2416
02:21:48,210 --> 02:21:53,100
read that one in a moment. I
have one from producer Tad, who

2417
02:21:53,100 --> 02:21:57,990
is a grouch. Our favorite
government legislative analyst

2418
02:21:57,990 --> 02:22:04,230
has let us down again. I think
he asked you if sleepy Joe was

2419
02:22:04,230 --> 02:22:07,290
for student debt forgiveness
recently, whether those debts

2420
02:22:07,290 --> 02:22:11,280
could be forgiven is not the
issue. The only way to energize

2421
02:22:11,280 --> 02:22:14,940
the younger voters is to make it
part of the platform. Creepy Joe

2422
02:22:14,940 --> 02:22:18,030
can't be on the ticket because
he was instrumental in the

2423
02:22:18,030 --> 02:22:22,650
criminal legislation to make the
no asset back student loans

2424
02:22:22,680 --> 02:22:29,040
unforgivable. I didn't realize
that but now I do. Thank you for

2425
02:22:29,040 --> 02:22:32,400
that note, he also made a common
complaint about when it comes to

2426
02:22:32,400 --> 02:22:36,570
this issue you and crackpot who
are usually so worldly wise seem

2427
02:22:36,570 --> 02:22:41,580
quite oblivious to the entire
American education scam.

2428
02:22:41,670 --> 02:22:43,260
Adam Curry: Oh, okay. Sure.

2429
02:22:44,130 --> 02:22:47,010
John C. Dvorak: Have you even
mentioned the Cultural Marxism

2430
02:22:47,010 --> 02:22:51,210
that's being indoctrinated into
the permanent debt slaves? No

2431
02:22:51,210 --> 02:22:51,690
matter?

2432
02:22:52,380 --> 02:22:55,470
Adam Curry: Isn't half our show
isn't half our show about that?

2433
02:22:55,470 --> 02:22:56,880
What is what is this guy on?

2434
02:22:57,270 --> 02:23:00,930
John C. Dvorak: I don't know. If
you admit you had no idea what

2435
02:23:00,930 --> 02:23:05,430
flight of the Concorde was I
realized you're only human. Then

2436
02:23:05,430 --> 02:23:08,340
he goes on saying it's the best
podcast in universe, of course.

2437
02:23:08,670 --> 02:23:12,480
So there's but now we have one
that's a mia culpa, which I

2438
02:23:12,480 --> 02:23:15,330
think is should be corrected.
And this is a good letter from

2439
02:23:15,480 --> 02:23:20,520
Joe, in Illinois, which we
talked about how they legalized

2440
02:23:20,520 --> 02:23:25,560
marijuana in the last show, or
your information. We voted to

2441
02:23:25,560 --> 02:23:29,640
have that as a referendum
legalization. On the most recent

2442
02:23:29,640 --> 02:23:34,860
ballot. We also voted to have a
term limits referendum. Neither

2443
02:23:34,860 --> 02:23:40,050
made it on the ballot somehow.
They wanted to control who gets

2444
02:23:40,050 --> 02:23:42,330
the pot contracts legendary.

2445
02:23:43,500 --> 02:23:44,730
Adam Curry: Chicago, okay,

2446
02:23:44,730 --> 02:23:47,070
John C. Dvorak: there you go.
And somehow we never got to

2447
02:23:47,070 --> 02:23:54,000
weigh in about our asshat career
politicians longevity. Michael

2448
02:23:54,000 --> 02:23:57,210
Madigan, the Speaker of the
Illinois house is the longest

2449
02:23:57,210 --> 02:24:01,020
serving and most corrupt state
politician in the United States.

2450
02:24:01,770 --> 02:24:05,160
The fact that it was our
legislature that merely was a

2451
02:24:05,160 --> 02:24:09,690
means of control. We were
supposed to vote for pot in the

2452
02:24:09,690 --> 02:24:14,490
midterms. Okay. Ah, interesting.
So I gave them a lot of kudos

2453
02:24:14,490 --> 02:24:18,210
for the legislature doing this.
But then it turns out that the

2454
02:24:18,210 --> 02:24:22,950
kudos were not deserved. It was
a scam. Scam.

2455
02:24:22,980 --> 02:24:26,400
Adam Curry: And this This shows
how it shows very accurately how

2456
02:24:26,400 --> 02:24:32,490
this podcast is a network of
producers. You participate in so

2457
02:24:32,490 --> 02:24:35,160
many ways. In fact, I would love
to hear for some of our

2458
02:24:35,160 --> 02:24:38,070
producers who were in the
advertising business. None of

2459
02:24:38,070 --> 02:24:40,410
them have showed up that the one
I had to go to was the one I

2460
02:24:40,410 --> 02:24:43,200
live with who was the best one I
know one of the best marketers

2461
02:24:43,200 --> 02:24:46,170
ever. I'm also married to her.

2462
02:24:48,420 --> 02:24:50,100
We need more of that.

2463
02:24:51,210 --> 02:24:52,050
John C. Dvorak: We have a few
people.

2464
02:24:52,350 --> 02:24:55,020
Adam Curry: I just got an
emergency message here. Darren

2465
02:24:55,020 --> 02:24:58,740
O's dad is having hip
replacement surgery surgery on

2466
02:24:58,740 --> 02:25:01,680
Wednesday and He wasn't he
didn't he just found out he

2467
02:25:01,680 --> 02:25:04,110
didn't have time to send them a
health karma so I'm gonna do

2468
02:25:04,110 --> 02:25:09,810
that now if you don't mind
you've got karma there are no

2469
02:25:10,110 --> 02:25:14,010
works with Void zero running the
the infrastructure keeps us on

2470
02:25:14,010 --> 02:25:14,400
the air.

2471
02:25:15,900 --> 02:25:20,400
John C. Dvorak: I have one more
ISO to suggest this is Judy.

2472
02:25:21,270 --> 02:25:22,200
Okay.

2473
02:25:22,589 --> 02:25:24,329
Unknown: Hello to both of you.

2474
02:25:25,890 --> 02:25:27,450
Adam Curry: Maybe we could do a
combo

2475
02:25:28,170 --> 02:25:29,760
Unknown: hello to both of you.

2476
02:25:31,770 --> 02:25:34,830
Adam Curry: No, no, no I didn't
work. Hello. I like that. Hello

2477
02:25:34,830 --> 02:25:35,580
to both of you.

2478
02:25:35,730 --> 02:25:38,880
Hello to both of you. To both of
you.

2479
02:25:39,840 --> 02:25:44,010
It's good. I like it is end of
show. So when the other one was

2480
02:25:44,010 --> 02:25:47,400
this one I do not believe you
are a racist. No Judy's better.

2481
02:25:47,430 --> 02:25:49,320
I think we'll keep it with Judy.
Yeah, she's

2482
02:25:49,320 --> 02:25:52,470
John C. Dvorak: got more more.
She's got more song in her voice

2483
02:25:52,529 --> 02:25:57,509
Adam Curry: got a great note
from our social media spy. He is

2484
02:25:57,539 --> 02:26:04,019
I believe he's a night actually.
And this kind of taps into

2485
02:26:04,049 --> 02:26:08,009
everything we've ever thought
about what's going on today.

2486
02:26:09,059 --> 02:26:11,249
I've worked in the insurance
industry for over a decade.

2487
02:26:11,249 --> 02:26:13,619
About five or six years ago, the
company I worked for started a

2488
02:26:13,619 --> 02:26:17,069
program based on a product being
offered by the private

2489
02:26:17,069 --> 02:26:20,399
investigation companies we use
to find fraudulent claims

2490
02:26:20,789 --> 02:26:23,549
company started offering a
social media search on our

2491
02:26:23,549 --> 02:26:26,189
claimants the searches costs
were going up to 500 bucks per

2492
02:26:26,189 --> 02:26:29,309
search. Some bigwigs tried the
service but it was clear their

2493
02:26:29,429 --> 02:26:32,249
private investigators were using
interns with five minutes to

2494
02:26:32,249 --> 02:26:35,399
type a few names into Google and
then send them search results.

2495
02:26:35,579 --> 02:26:39,119
That clearly a joke just to
charge us extra. So what happens

2496
02:26:39,119 --> 02:26:42,209
is they decided to take this in
house and he is the one that

2497
02:26:42,209 --> 02:26:48,299
built this. This practice within
their company to find fraudulent

2498
02:26:48,329 --> 02:26:52,379
insurance claims through social
media. Well, the first year we

2499
02:26:52,379 --> 02:26:56,219
save the company over $10
million in fraudulent payments.

2500
02:26:56,339 --> 02:26:59,369
So over the last five or six
years, I've been what my wife

2501
02:26:59,369 --> 02:27:03,029
jokes, a professional Facebook
stalker, there's not a huge

2502
02:27:03,029 --> 02:27:05,729
amount of fraudulent claims. But
when they happen, the money in

2503
02:27:05,729 --> 02:27:09,119
them is usually significant. We
do all this legally with

2504
02:27:09,119 --> 02:27:12,959
publicly posted info online, I
have caught doctors selling

2505
02:27:12,959 --> 02:27:16,079
drugs illegally, people claiming
they're sick, but opening

2506
02:27:16,079 --> 02:27:19,379
businesses all the way to people
having their wives or husbands

2507
02:27:19,379 --> 02:27:24,959
calling us and sending fake
medical records. Over time, I've

2508
02:27:24,959 --> 02:27:27,749
seen some stuff with social
media you might not be aware of

2509
02:27:27,749 --> 02:27:32,399
from the outside. First of all,
Twitter is useless, and serves

2510
02:27:32,399 --> 02:27:36,659
no one anything really useful.
For all the millions of people

2511
02:27:36,659 --> 02:27:41,219
on Twitter, only about 5% of
users actually use their

2512
02:27:41,219 --> 02:27:45,029
accounts. We discovered this
very early on in our research,

2513
02:27:45,029 --> 02:27:48,059
people create accounts to just
follow celebrities or

2514
02:27:48,059 --> 02:27:52,229
politicians. They don't actually
tweet anything. Just Retweet

2515
02:27:52,229 --> 02:27:55,769
their favorite people, if they
use it at all. This echo chamber

2516
02:27:55,769 --> 02:28:00,239
is much bigger than anyone
realizes and goes nowhere. And

2517
02:28:00,239 --> 02:28:05,849
this was an eye opener to me.
And it makes a lot of sense.

2518
02:28:06,119 --> 02:28:10,499
What do they claim now? 300
million users Twitter.

2519
02:28:10,950 --> 02:28:13,680
John C. Dvorak: I've not only
talked about this before, but

2520
02:28:13,680 --> 02:28:16,410
I've written a column about
this. What I've noticed, which

2521
02:28:16,410 --> 02:28:20,640
is your Twitter is what he says
is absolutely correct. Because

2522
02:28:20,640 --> 02:28:23,070
when Twitter first started, I
just give the story again, I've

2523
02:28:23,070 --> 02:28:26,820
told it before. When Twitter
first started, I had like 10,000

2524
02:28:26,820 --> 02:28:33,570
followers, I would tweet a link
that was something that I could

2525
02:28:33,600 --> 02:28:38,670
count. In other words, it would
be to something about a blog or

2526
02:28:38,670 --> 02:28:41,520
something and it had a counter,
I could count and you tweet a

2527
02:28:41,520 --> 02:28:45,930
link to 10,000 people and you'd
get maybe 1000 people to click

2528
02:28:45,930 --> 02:28:53,700
on it. Right now I have over
100,000 followers and I tweet a

2529
02:28:53,700 --> 02:28:57,930
link. And instead of getting
1000 followers you think I mean

2530
02:28:57,930 --> 02:29:02,520
technically I should get 10,000
Right? You get less than 100. If

2531
02:29:02,550 --> 02:29:09,240
less not less than 50. Maybe
sometimes 10 is rule it's

2532
02:29:09,240 --> 02:29:13,050
completely useless. Well,

2533
02:29:13,920 --> 02:29:15,900
Adam Curry: I'm just looking at
the numbers if it's

2534
02:29:15,900 --> 02:29:21,990
300,000,005% 15 million. It
makes total sense at all this

2535
02:29:21,990 --> 02:29:23,640
outrageous a very small group.

2536
02:29:24,750 --> 02:29:26,370
John C. Dvorak: Second, a lot of
noise.

2537
02:29:26,460 --> 02:29:29,340
Adam Curry: YouTube used to let
us pull videos down that

2538
02:29:29,340 --> 02:29:31,920
claimants posted publicly of
them doing things they clearly

2539
02:29:31,920 --> 02:29:35,340
shouldn't be able to do.
Example, someone claims to have

2540
02:29:35,340 --> 02:29:38,250
a bad back but has several
videos of themselves waterskiing

2541
02:29:38,310 --> 02:29:44,100
or lifting 50 pound bags of
dirt. What an idiot. In the past

2542
02:29:44,100 --> 02:29:45,990
we had to stop doing that
YouTube actually threatened to

2543
02:29:45,990 --> 02:29:49,950
block us okay, Facebook is more
trouble than the public knows or

2544
02:29:49,950 --> 02:29:53,070
is being reported. Try searching
for your friends or family on

2545
02:29:53,070 --> 02:29:55,800
Facebook recently. It's almost
impossible to narrow down to

2546
02:29:55,800 --> 02:29:59,790
someone in a large city or that
has a common name. Face back you

2547
02:29:59,820 --> 02:30:02,460
think his bag, Facebook used to
have something called Graph

2548
02:30:02,460 --> 02:30:05,700
Search. It was a back end hidden
thing that would let you find

2549
02:30:05,700 --> 02:30:09,540
out useful info about anyone
using the service. Lots of

2550
02:30:09,540 --> 02:30:13,530
outside companies. Were using
this public information as a

2551
02:30:13,530 --> 02:30:17,370
business model. But graph search
was taken away in the past month

2552
02:30:17,490 --> 02:30:21,000
over privacy concerns. Several
years ago, we used to find

2553
02:30:21,000 --> 02:30:24,780
people using just an email
address or for phone numbers,

2554
02:30:24,780 --> 02:30:29,040
but Facebook removed that for
privacy concerns as well. As we

2555
02:30:29,040 --> 02:30:32,640
do research on people, we are
finding only older folks using

2556
02:30:32,640 --> 02:30:37,230
Facebook 45 to 65 to be exact.
Usually people are not tech

2557
02:30:37,230 --> 02:30:39,600
savvy, younger people may have
accounts occasionally post but

2558
02:30:39,600 --> 02:30:42,960
older people are the everyday
users. Yes, Facebook is a big

2559
02:30:42,960 --> 02:30:47,070
problem. And this was
interesting last bit from

2560
02:30:47,070 --> 02:30:50,370
industry articles, I understand
the graph search being removed,

2561
02:30:50,640 --> 02:30:53,550
has had some big problems.
Facebook apparently sold itself

2562
02:30:53,550 --> 02:30:56,310
to college researchers,
businesses, medical companies,

2563
02:30:56,460 --> 02:30:59,130
etc. Giving them publicly
available data they could do

2564
02:30:59,130 --> 02:31:02,730
studies on for their papers.
With it now gone, people are

2565
02:31:02,730 --> 02:31:06,150
scattering like cockroaches to
find other vendors of this data.

2566
02:31:06,720 --> 02:31:09,090
The thought is that Facebook
will come back with the service

2567
02:31:09,120 --> 02:31:12,090
again, but a few months from now
there'll be charging for that.

2568
02:31:13,140 --> 02:31:17,010
Though. I thought there was some
enlightening stuff. First of

2569
02:31:17,010 --> 02:31:20,670
all, your insurance company is
checking on you.

2570
02:31:21,870 --> 02:31:23,190
John C. Dvorak: Oh yeah, they
have to be

2571
02:31:24,030 --> 02:31:25,950
Adam Curry: um, but people don't
really realize that. Oh, just

2572
02:31:25,950 --> 02:31:27,660
post stuff. It's fine. It's all

2573
02:31:27,660 --> 02:31:29,370
John C. Dvorak: good. Here
idiots.

2574
02:31:31,650 --> 02:31:33,600
Adam Curry: Thank you. Social
media spy.

2575
02:31:33,660 --> 02:31:34,320
It's appreciate.

2576
02:31:35,370 --> 02:31:39,060
John C. Dvorak: So I do have a
Brexit little Brexit info. Oh,

2577
02:31:39,060 --> 02:31:44,250
good. Are they done yet? No. But
they're having this this huge

2578
02:31:44,250 --> 02:31:47,130
problem with Boris. There's two
things going on Boris is like

2579
02:31:47,790 --> 02:31:51,720
nuts. And Corbyn. They're trying
to

2580
02:31:52,290 --> 02:31:54,360
Adam Curry: trying to railroad
him or they're trying to really

2581
02:31:54,360 --> 02:31:55,710
make him look like a face to

2582
02:31:55,710 --> 02:31:57,720
John C. Dvorak: all day. They're
trying to you know, even though

2583
02:31:57,720 --> 02:32:01,290
he's sad, I know they they think
there may be a coalition between

2584
02:32:01,290 --> 02:32:03,900
the Liberal Democrats and maybe
labour at some point because

2585
02:32:03,900 --> 02:32:06,210
Liberal Democrats are gonna make
a huge comeback in this next

2586
02:32:06,210 --> 02:32:10,380
election. In the Brexit party is
elections coming up in what

2587
02:32:10,380 --> 02:32:13,830
elections? The parliamentary
elections the big boys, the big

2588
02:32:13,830 --> 02:32:16,710
ones do anything? They're doing
another election? What do they

2589
02:32:16,710 --> 02:32:19,140
do elections whenever they feel
like it? Apparently did? I

2590
02:32:19,140 --> 02:32:21,750
didn't I missed this
parliamentary system works.

2591
02:32:21,780 --> 02:32:23,940
Adam Curry: I'm sorry. Did they
just call a new election? I must

2592
02:32:23,940 --> 02:32:24,660
have missed this.

2593
02:32:25,080 --> 02:32:27,060
John C. Dvorak: Tickets did
election that was already

2594
02:32:27,060 --> 02:32:27,660
scheduled.

2595
02:32:28,890 --> 02:32:30,690
Adam Curry: This is the
leadership the leadership? No,

2596
02:32:30,690 --> 02:32:33,120
no, John, it hold on. It's the
leadership election.

2597
02:32:33,300 --> 02:32:35,130
John C. Dvorak: Okay. Well, they
got a leadership election, but

2598
02:32:35,130 --> 02:32:36,450
they got a problem with.

2599
02:32:37,199 --> 02:32:39,389
Adam Curry: So that means it's
only the Conservative leader.

2600
02:32:39,389 --> 02:32:40,589
It's not. It's not

2601
02:32:40,650 --> 02:32:42,090
John C. Dvorak: No, I think
there's a general election.

2602
02:32:42,180 --> 02:32:48,690
Adam Curry: I think you're
wrong. It's for it's for the

2603
02:32:48,720 --> 02:32:53,520
this is what we've been
following. I know. Okay. Well, I

2604
02:32:53,520 --> 02:32:54,510
just want to correct you.

2605
02:32:55,140 --> 02:32:56,400
John C. Dvorak: Well, you're not
correcting me yet.

2606
02:32:56,760 --> 02:33:00,090
Adam Curry: And what I'm saying
that the that we've had three

2607
02:33:00,090 --> 02:33:03,090
rounds the vote the voting will
be for the leadership of the

2608
02:33:03,090 --> 02:33:08,430
Conservative Party, which will
be between Boris and I guess

2609
02:33:08,430 --> 02:33:11,700
hunt will be the two the two
main ones. But I don't think

2610
02:33:11,700 --> 02:33:12,390
there's a general

2611
02:33:12,420 --> 02:33:14,460
John C. Dvorak: election at
general election coming. Well,

2612
02:33:14,460 --> 02:33:18,030
whatever the case, they're still
trying to railroad Corbin and

2613
02:33:18,240 --> 02:33:21,690
Boris is a problem. He's getting
to be a problem. And so they I

2614
02:33:21,690 --> 02:33:24,750
was listening to one of the talk
shows which I unfortunately

2615
02:33:24,750 --> 02:33:27,270
thought I had a clip of but I
don't have been going over this.

2616
02:33:27,270 --> 02:33:30,570
I don't have it. But one of the
talk shows was going on about

2617
02:33:30,570 --> 02:33:35,940
Boris and a situation where the
police were called to his

2618
02:33:35,940 --> 02:33:40,980
girlfriend's apartment and Boris
was there and the cops went in

2619
02:33:40,980 --> 02:33:43,680
and out and he's not talking
about it. And he's not talking

2620
02:33:43,680 --> 02:33:46,860
about he's not talking about it.
And everybody's all wondering

2621
02:33:46,860 --> 02:33:49,950
what the hell was going on
there. And one of these

2622
02:33:51,720 --> 02:33:57,240
commentators said that she
thinks that the whole thing was

2623
02:33:57,240 --> 02:34:01,620
staged by Boris to change and I
never thought about people doing

2624
02:34:01,620 --> 02:34:04,050
this but I can see it working
because it would work with

2625
02:34:04,050 --> 02:34:09,180
Trump. It was staged by Boris to
change his Google wrist a search

2626
02:34:09,180 --> 02:34:12,900
results. So when you start
looking for anything about Boris

2627
02:34:12,900 --> 02:34:16,950
this bullshit thing with the
with the cops showed up to to

2628
02:34:17,250 --> 02:34:22,620
turn people away from his
nutball interview. I believe it

2629
02:34:22,620 --> 02:34:27,060
was a radio interview. Or maybe
it was on video array an

2630
02:34:27,060 --> 02:34:30,960
interview with Boris where he
goes off on these buses on his

2631
02:34:30,960 --> 02:34:33,750
what he does for his spare time
he he creates buses.

2632
02:34:34,470 --> 02:34:36,570
Adam Curry: He creates buses.

2633
02:34:37,410 --> 02:34:39,150
John C. Dvorak: This is the
craziest thing you'll ever hear.

2634
02:34:39,150 --> 02:34:43,560
This is This is Boris on making
what did this is an interview

2635
02:34:43,560 --> 02:34:46,530
with Boris the interviewer asked
him what do you do in your spare

2636
02:34:46,530 --> 02:34:50,100
time and Boris apparently he
doesn't know doesn't do anything

2637
02:34:50,100 --> 02:34:53,250
as far as so he starts making
appears to be making stuff up.

2638
02:34:53,730 --> 02:34:57,420
And then he goes just goes off
the deep end. What do you do to

2639
02:34:57,420 --> 02:34:57,900
relax? What

2640
02:34:57,900 --> 02:35:06,150
Unknown: do you do to switch off
i What I like to paint, I make

2641
02:35:06,150 --> 02:35:13,290
things I like to what do you
make I make I have a thing where

2642
02:35:13,290 --> 02:35:19,290
I make models of Burrard Inlet
where we build a beautiful I

2643
02:35:19,290 --> 02:35:23,970
make buses, you make models of
bus, they make models of buses.

2644
02:35:25,170 --> 02:35:34,350
So what I do what I make is I
get old wooden crates. Yeah,

2645
02:35:34,380 --> 02:35:40,410
right. And then I paint them and
they have to suppose it's a

2646
02:35:40,410 --> 02:35:43,770
white box that's been used to
contain two, two wine bottles,

2647
02:35:43,770 --> 02:35:51,510
right. And it will have a
dividing thing. I turned it into

2648
02:35:51,510 --> 02:36:00,270
a bus away so passengers here
you will know this to enjoy the

2649
02:36:00,270 --> 02:36:04,590
passengers enjoying themselves.
Okay, great, wonderful bus.

2650
02:36:07,710 --> 02:36:11,730
Adam Curry: Wow. So that's it's
not really like Model Railroad.

2651
02:36:11,730 --> 02:36:15,390
He's really making him out of
toilet paper rolls and he's

2652
02:36:15,390 --> 02:36:21,930
John C. Dvorak: just talking.
People having a wonderful time

2653
02:36:21,930 --> 02:36:24,150
on their wonderful bus. I mean,
how can

2654
02:36:24,150 --> 02:36:28,410
Adam Curry: it be that Boris is
I don't know how we got there.

2655
02:36:28,770 --> 02:36:29,850
How does this work?

2656
02:36:30,900 --> 02:36:35,040
John C. Dvorak: Really smart
kid? Yeah. Is how it got there.

2657
02:36:35,040 --> 02:36:39,240
And he went to the right schools
and went to Eton. Yes, yes. Yes.

2658
02:36:39,240 --> 02:36:44,640
True. On on, and he was always
one of the smart kids. If you

2659
02:36:44,640 --> 02:36:47,310
see there's a good there's a
good audience on YouTube.

2660
02:36:47,310 --> 02:36:49,470
There's a good documentary about
his life.

2661
02:36:49,500 --> 02:36:50,400
Adam Curry: Yeah, I

2662
02:36:50,430 --> 02:36:52,260
John C. Dvorak: we talked about
fascinating actually.

2663
02:36:52,290 --> 02:36:53,580
Adam Curry: He's a great
painter.

2664
02:36:54,660 --> 02:36:55,440
John C. Dvorak: A painter?

2665
02:36:55,470 --> 02:36:56,460
Adam Curry: Yes. He's the

2666
02:36:57,450 --> 02:36:59,100
John C. Dvorak: good. Yeah. I
don't think he's as good as

2667
02:36:59,100 --> 02:36:59,940
George Bush.

2668
02:37:01,260 --> 02:37:02,490
Adam Curry: It's in that league.

2669
02:37:03,510 --> 02:37:05,610
John C. Dvorak: Yeah, it's the
same kind of thing. But Bush

2670
02:37:05,640 --> 02:37:09,570
Bush, when he got into painting
he, you know, he did what you're

2671
02:37:09,570 --> 02:37:13,140
supposed to do. If you want to
take it serious, some serious

2672
02:37:13,140 --> 02:37:17,370
late life, he hired a bunch of
very expensive real painting

2673
02:37:17,430 --> 02:37:21,360
instructors to come over and
tutor him. And so that made a

2674
02:37:21,360 --> 02:37:26,190
difference. But so this is like
become a problem. Just buses

2675
02:37:26,190 --> 02:37:30,090
thing he did. And it's being
discussed to in excess. So he's

2676
02:37:30,090 --> 02:37:31,710
open. So that's why they think

2677
02:37:32,190 --> 02:37:33,810
Adam Curry: they wanted to move
away from the

2678
02:37:33,840 --> 02:37:36,150
John C. Dvorak: one to get the
search results away from these

2679
02:37:36,180 --> 02:37:40,500
this nutty re-interview. What a
way to do it. I had trouble

2680
02:37:40,500 --> 02:37:43,500
finding the interview. Because I
heard about it. I heard about

2681
02:37:43,500 --> 02:37:47,190
it. And it was it's already
almost gone. It's very difficult

2682
02:37:47,190 --> 02:37:48,060
to find that clip.

2683
02:37:50,250 --> 02:37:55,650
Adam Curry: I received a clip
from BBC about Angular Merkel

2684
02:37:55,650 --> 02:37:58,590
and her second bout of shaking,
and we've been interested in

2685
02:37:58,590 --> 02:38:01,290
what's going on and doesn't seem
like that's hydrogen, another

2686
02:38:01,290 --> 02:38:05,310
hydration issue. In fact, she
was shaking on stage and it's a

2687
02:38:05,310 --> 02:38:08,490
very odd shake. It's from her
legs from her abdomen and down.

2688
02:38:08,940 --> 02:38:10,890
John C. Dvorak: Yes, just like
she's freezing to death.

2689
02:38:11,040 --> 02:38:14,280
Adam Curry: He had a little bit
and except the shaking more is

2690
02:38:14,280 --> 02:38:18,660
forward to back very strange.
And what is interesting about

2691
02:38:18,660 --> 02:38:23,040
this report is they really get
into it. And then it gets cut

2692
02:38:23,040 --> 02:38:26,880
off. I don't know if it was some
kind of error. But just when it

2693
02:38:26,880 --> 02:38:31,950
gets really kind of meaty. It's
done. And this is BBC headline

2694
02:38:31,950 --> 02:38:32,700
news report.

2695
02:38:33,539 --> 02:38:36,629
Unknown: spokesman had insisted
that the chancellor is fine. She

2696
02:38:36,629 --> 02:38:40,469
has gone off as planned to the G
20. Summit of world leaders in

2697
02:38:40,469 --> 02:38:44,519
Japan, leaving behind her though
at home real concerns about her

2698
02:38:44,519 --> 02:38:48,029
health. Mrs. Merkel always
appears to be in robust health.

2699
02:38:48,029 --> 02:38:51,539
She has a punishing shedule.
She's seen as a strong leader

2700
02:38:51,539 --> 02:38:54,599
who can deal with that. And so
this has come as a real shock.

2701
02:38:54,809 --> 02:38:58,769
And of course, the fact that it
has happened now twice, is

2702
02:38:58,769 --> 02:39:02,099
really adding to those concerns.
When Mrs. Merkel appeared to

2703
02:39:02,099 --> 02:39:05,879
shake uncontrollably during a
reception last week, she was

2704
02:39:05,879 --> 02:39:08,339
stood outside in the hot
sunshine in the direct glare of

2705
02:39:08,339 --> 02:39:11,729
the afternoon sun. And she said
afterwards, she'd simply been

2706
02:39:11,729 --> 02:39:15,029
dehydrated. What happened this
morning took place in rather

2707
02:39:15,029 --> 02:39:18,419
different circumstances she was
indoors and the temperature will

2708
02:39:18,419 --> 02:39:21,149
have been much cooler because
whilst Berlin has experienced a

2709
02:39:21,149 --> 02:39:23,909
heatwave in the last couple of
days today, actually we've had a

2710
02:39:23,909 --> 02:39:27,209
bit of respite and the
temperatures have really calmed

2711
02:39:27,209 --> 02:39:31,379
down. There has yet been no
official explanation for what's

2712
02:39:31,379 --> 02:39:35,159
wrong. I wouldn't be surprised
if we actually don't really get

2713
02:39:35,159 --> 02:39:38,789
one. I think Mrs. Merkel's team
will be very keen to try and

2714
02:39:38,939 --> 02:39:42,359
push this away or sweep it under
the carpet. Because in the next

2715
02:39:42,359 --> 02:39:45,899
few days, Germany really pretty
much goes on holiday Mrs. Merkel

2716
02:39:46,229 --> 02:39:51,449
parliament, they will disappear
off on that summer recess, and

2717
02:39:51,449 --> 02:39:54,539
the reason that her team will
want to minimize any focus on

2718
02:39:54,539 --> 02:39:57,719
what's happened this morning. Is
because this is a really tricky

2719
02:39:57,719 --> 02:40:00,989
time for German politics, Mrs.
Merkel some time ago handed over

2720
02:40:00,989 --> 02:40:04,619
some of her power to a woman
called Annegret Kramp Karen

2721
02:40:04,619 --> 02:40:08,219
Bower, but in recent weeks and
months she's made a series of

2722
02:40:08,219 --> 02:40:11,009
public gaffes. She has made some
very controversial statements

2723
02:40:11,009 --> 02:40:14,369
and there are a lot of question
marks out there in Germany as to

2724
02:40:14,369 --> 02:40:17,279
whether she's really a suitable
candidate to run Germany and

2725
02:40:20,430 --> 02:40:22,470
Adam Curry: and that's how
that's how we get just got cut

2726
02:40:22,470 --> 02:40:26,130
off. Wow, I don't I don't know
if someone said pull it.

2727
02:40:27,210 --> 02:40:29,520
John C. Dvorak: Somebody must
have this was plugged on it

2728
02:40:29,519 --> 02:40:31,889
Adam Curry: could be getting
kind of interesting about you

2729
02:40:31,889 --> 02:40:37,469
know, the her replacement who's
messing up a little bit and you

2730
02:40:37,469 --> 02:40:39,239
know, I guess they have to keep
her in.

2731
02:40:39,660 --> 02:40:41,760
John C. Dvorak: I was looking at
the pictures of her that they

2732
02:40:41,760 --> 02:40:44,790
showed where she was shaking and
then there's a close up picture

2733
02:40:44,790 --> 02:40:47,280
of her face, and she has a Dima

2734
02:40:47,939 --> 02:40:50,849
Unknown: what's a Dima? Her face
is swollen

2735
02:40:52,590 --> 02:40:54,480
John C. Dvorak: it's puffy you
can't see any wrinkles in her

2736
02:40:54,480 --> 02:40:58,260
face and it's it's just like
she's got some puffiness in her

2737
02:40:58,260 --> 02:41:02,100
face. That is it's a Dima, you
if you look it up is is a

2738
02:41:02,130 --> 02:41:05,250
problem if you you know, your
swatch just got a swollen head.

2739
02:41:05,730 --> 02:41:09,120
And it's you look at it. I mean,
there's a really nice picture

2740
02:41:09,120 --> 02:41:11,640
one of these newspapers is a
close up of her face and she's

2741
02:41:11,640 --> 02:41:14,940
got no wrinkles anymore. And her
mouth is real smallest little

2742
02:41:14,940 --> 02:41:18,660
like a slit. And I was looking
at what is the edema caused by

2743
02:41:18,660 --> 02:41:23,010
heart failure, cirrhosis of the
liver, various insufficiencies

2744
02:41:23,010 --> 02:41:24,810
like kidney diseases possible

2745
02:41:24,840 --> 02:41:27,090
Adam Curry: about how about
she's on prednisone.

2746
02:41:27,540 --> 02:41:29,430
John C. Dvorak: Maybe she has a
lot of cancer. It could be she

2747
02:41:29,430 --> 02:41:32,970
could be on some drug, but
whatever that but I think that's

2748
02:41:33,150 --> 02:41:38,730
her shaking and the end and Dima
seemed to be connected to me

2749
02:41:38,730 --> 02:41:41,340
because I looked at her this
woman looks like this doesn't

2750
02:41:41,340 --> 02:41:44,250
look like her She Doesn't your
faces. Normally she's got a

2751
02:41:44,250 --> 02:41:45,510
sagging face.

2752
02:41:45,630 --> 02:41:47,790
Adam Curry: Maybe they need to
circulate some more children's

2753
02:41:47,790 --> 02:41:48,900
blood through hers or

2754
02:41:52,140 --> 02:41:56,220
John C. Dvorak: COVID She needs
to shed her skin just saying

2755
02:42:00,180 --> 02:42:01,800
yeah, that's a possibility

2756
02:42:01,800 --> 02:42:03,840
Adam Curry: could it because it
kind of does look like that

2757
02:42:03,840 --> 02:42:08,640
initial reptile skin shedding
sequence. Yeah, they can do this

2758
02:42:08,700 --> 02:42:15,780
like a locust we did. Annie and
she's trying to suppress it

2759
02:42:16,620 --> 02:42:21,870
gonna be but I feel horrible. So
I don't mind doing it about

2760
02:42:21,870 --> 02:42:23,970
sorrows. But there's a woman
seems Ill

2761
02:42:25,440 --> 02:42:29,010
John C. Dvorak: be hospitalized.
Problems. Let's face it. The

2762
02:42:29,040 --> 02:42:32,730
couple of things. There's the
everyone made a big story about

2763
02:42:32,760 --> 02:42:34,200
you know, Trump met Putin.

2764
02:42:36,180 --> 02:42:38,700
Adam Curry: That was funny. It's
too bad that no one got the

2765
02:42:38,700 --> 02:42:41,430
audio. How is that possible?
Because of all the stupid

2766
02:42:41,430 --> 02:42:46,590
cameras clicking? Can we stop
with these camera clicks? Here?

2767
02:42:46,920 --> 02:42:49,740
John C. Dvorak: Where's the guy
with the microphone and the dead

2768
02:42:49,740 --> 02:42:55,290
cat on the end? It was sticking
it out there that meeting. The

2769
02:42:55,320 --> 02:42:59,310
dead kitten is the cut is the
technical term for that fuzzy

2770
02:42:59,310 --> 02:43:05,160
ball that you put over the mic.
Is ABC did a story on it. They

2771
02:43:05,160 --> 02:43:09,810
had to blast Trump men make make
a mockery of a minute. I think

2772
02:43:09,810 --> 02:43:12,360
you could justify it to some
extent, but it's not really much

2773
02:43:12,360 --> 02:43:16,320
of a story. And it wasn't I
think they overplayed it. He

2774
02:43:16,320 --> 02:43:20,220
wasn't joking around that much.
I mean, it wasn't like me just

2775
02:43:20,790 --> 02:43:25,980
just listen to this. This is a
story about about meddling

2776
02:43:26,039 --> 02:43:28,889
We head overseas now tonight
President Trump making global

2777
02:43:28,889 --> 02:43:31,829
headlines during his meeting
with Russian President Vladimir

2778
02:43:31,829 --> 02:43:36,059
Putin at the G 20. Summit in
Japan. The two leaders joking in

2779
02:43:36,059 --> 02:43:39,509
their first face to face meeting
since the Muller report blasted

2780
02:43:39,509 --> 02:43:42,749
Russia for sweeping and
systematic interference in the

2781
02:43:42,749 --> 02:43:46,739
2016 US election. President
Trump playfully telling Putin

2782
02:43:46,859 --> 02:43:49,379
Don't meddle in the election.
ABCs chief White House

2783
02:43:49,379 --> 02:43:52,229
correspondent Jonathan Karl is
there in Japan. They greeted

2784
02:43:52,229 --> 02:43:55,469
each other like old friends
President Trump with a pat on

2785
02:43:55,469 --> 02:43:59,819
the back for Vladimir Putin.
Later as they prepared to face

2786
02:43:59,819 --> 02:44:03,119
the cameras, the two leaders
commiserated about the news

2787
02:44:03,119 --> 02:44:08,909
media we have

2788
02:44:13,260 --> 02:44:16,890
Adam Curry: I mean, this is just
not usable. Really. I mean, I

2789
02:44:16,890 --> 02:44:19,800
can't believe they went with
this because it's this why even

2790
02:44:19,800 --> 02:44:21,120
show it they must have had some

2791
02:44:22,020 --> 02:44:23,400
John C. Dvorak: subtitles
subtitles Yeah,

2792
02:44:23,490 --> 02:44:26,520
a shared joke. Although Putin
has been accused of having

2793
02:44:26,520 --> 02:44:30,150
journalists murdered. This is
the first Trump Putin meeting

2794
02:44:30,270 --> 02:44:33,420
since Robert Mueller released
his report documenting Russia's,

2795
02:44:33,420 --> 02:44:37,290
quote, sweeping and systemic
interference in the 2016

2796
02:44:37,290 --> 02:44:41,160
election. And American reporter
asked Trump if he'd warned Putin

2797
02:44:41,160 --> 02:44:44,460
not to do it again. The
President responded with a

2798
02:44:44,460 --> 02:44:44,940
smile.

2799
02:44:54,210 --> 02:44:57,450
Two men met behind closed doors
for nearly an hour. The White

2800
02:44:57,450 --> 02:45:00,330
House did not say whether the
issue of election meant meddling

2801
02:45:00,330 --> 02:45:04,080
came up, what did come up a
possible Moscow visit for

2802
02:45:04,080 --> 02:45:07,920
President Trump, Putin inviting
him to Russia in May, just

2803
02:45:07,920 --> 02:45:11,220
months before the election. No
word yet on whether the

2804
02:45:11,220 --> 02:45:13,710
invitation will be accepted?
Well,

2805
02:45:14,010 --> 02:45:16,050
Adam Curry: I thought it was a
very humorous moment and they

2806
02:45:16,050 --> 02:45:19,080
all dropped the ball. Because
the question was, are you going

2807
02:45:19,080 --> 02:45:22,230
to tell the President Putin not
to meddle in our elections and

2808
02:45:22,230 --> 02:45:25,350
Trump looks over and says Don't
meddle in our elections? It was

2809
02:45:25,350 --> 02:45:28,980
fun. It was hilarious. But now
we can't have any jokes anymore

2810
02:45:28,980 --> 02:45:33,060
because oh evil Hey, there's one
thing that there's not a lot of

2811
02:45:33,360 --> 02:45:40,170
useful audio on for clips. But
yesterday this reporter for

2812
02:45:40,170 --> 02:45:43,680
quillette which is a reasonably
new entrant into into the online

2813
02:45:43,680 --> 02:45:46,230
news game but that kind of like
him I think it's a very small

2814
02:45:46,230 --> 02:45:53,310
group and the know his name NGO,
no, no. And no, just No, Andy

2815
02:45:53,310 --> 02:45:59,130
No. And he was up in Portland
and Antifa through Of course,

2816
02:46:00,660 --> 02:46:03,780
milkshakes Adam and then beat
him up, punched him kicked him

2817
02:46:04,230 --> 02:46:08,880
bear spray pepper spray and
stole his GoPro stole his GoPro.

2818
02:46:08,880 --> 02:46:14,670
Apparently, the the milkshakes
now are really quick drying

2819
02:46:14,670 --> 02:46:17,550
cement. Which I

2820
02:46:19,410 --> 02:46:20,640
John C. Dvorak: did not know
this. Yes,

2821
02:46:20,640 --> 02:46:23,580
Adam Curry: this is the Portland
Police tweeted. Police have

2822
02:46:23,580 --> 02:46:26,280
received information that some
of the milkshakes thrown today

2823
02:46:26,280 --> 02:46:29,160
during the demonstration
contained quick drying cement.

2824
02:46:29,550 --> 02:46:32,700
We are encouraging anyone hit
with a substance today to report

2825
02:46:32,700 --> 02:46:33,570
it to police.

2826
02:46:33,810 --> 02:46:36,000
John C. Dvorak: And you could
blame somebody with that. Well,

2827
02:46:36,000 --> 02:46:36,720
first of all, I

2828
02:46:36,750 --> 02:46:39,360
Adam Curry: told you that this
milkshake thing would end

2829
02:46:39,360 --> 02:46:44,070
poorly. And it's just
unbelievable that Portland

2830
02:46:44,100 --> 02:46:48,510
allows people to roam around
with with the with hoods on with

2831
02:46:48,510 --> 02:46:51,540
the poor. Man what is going on
Mayor some

2832
02:46:51,540 --> 02:46:53,850
John C. Dvorak: weenies a wimp
can't do anything about the

2833
02:46:53,850 --> 02:46:57,210
police are handcuffed is this is
one of those situations where

2834
02:46:57,210 --> 02:46:59,430
you have a DA, who's a you know,

2835
02:46:59,730 --> 02:47:02,070
Adam Curry: another store? Oh,
sister? Is this another sort of

2836
02:47:02,070 --> 02:47:03,600
system could be cozy? I

2837
02:47:03,600 --> 02:47:06,960
John C. Dvorak: don't know.
Seems so it seems. So this is

2838
02:47:06,960 --> 02:47:10,740
the same style of do nothing da
District Attorney. So what are

2839
02:47:10,740 --> 02:47:11,340
you going to do?

2840
02:47:12,180 --> 02:47:15,780
Adam Curry: Let me see. Who is
the district attorney?

2841
02:47:16,230 --> 02:47:17,490
John C. Dvorak: While you're
looking that up? I do want to

2842
02:47:17,490 --> 02:47:20,520
point out the top story. If you
go to Google News headlines,

2843
02:47:21,030 --> 02:47:25,050
white hat you know, this
morning, or whenever like

2844
02:47:25,050 --> 02:47:28,140
yesterday, Trump went to North
Korea actually went into the

2845
02:47:28,140 --> 02:47:32,370
country. Oh, he did? Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah, it was. It was a big deal.

2846
02:47:33,210 --> 02:47:37,770
blasted him for it. Oh, yeah.
But then they headline on CNN

2847
02:47:37,770 --> 02:47:41,280
instead of the trunk. Trump and
Kim Jong meeting or they went

2848
02:47:41,280 --> 02:47:44,700
with this story. White House
press secretary Stephanie

2849
02:47:44,700 --> 02:47:49,950
Grisham bruised amid scuffle
between reporters and North

2850
02:47:49,950 --> 02:47:51,270
Korean guards.

2851
02:47:51,990 --> 02:47:55,620
Adam Curry: This, this makes me
kind of angry. Because here,

2852
02:47:55,650 --> 02:47:59,070
here's a guy he's gay too, just
to make just you know, a gay guy

2853
02:47:59,070 --> 02:48:02,790
by himself. Walking around
reporting for an actual

2854
02:48:02,790 --> 02:48:07,980
publication gets beat up. No
coverage is zero. Yeah, Fox

2855
02:48:07,980 --> 02:48:11,700
News, of course. But no one's
covering it. In this. And it's

2856
02:48:11,850 --> 02:48:16,200
this is really, this is not a
good situation. This is now

2857
02:48:16,200 --> 02:48:19,020
we're down to violence and
cement. And it has all the

2858
02:48:19,020 --> 02:48:22,230
elements of a great story. But
they refuse to cover it just

2859
02:48:22,230 --> 02:48:22,920
like this.

2860
02:48:23,369 --> 02:48:25,079
John C. Dvorak: Will though
cover the Stephanie Grisham

2861
02:48:25,079 --> 02:48:28,049
being bruised. So they showed a
video I watched through the

2862
02:48:28,049 --> 02:48:32,189
report on this. This was like a
crowd of people that Trump is

2863
02:48:32,189 --> 02:48:34,949
going off on his own as he
always does. And she's trying to

2864
02:48:34,949 --> 02:48:39,179
catch up. She pushes pushes her
way through a couple of guards

2865
02:48:39,179 --> 02:48:42,029
and she gets through and that's
the end of it. And this is the

2866
02:48:42,029 --> 02:48:45,749
video they show on CNN. But they
make it sound as all hell broke

2867
02:48:45,749 --> 02:48:49,169
loose. And I don't see any
evidence of it on screen. It was

2868
02:48:49,169 --> 02:48:50,759
bull. It's a bull crap story.

2869
02:48:50,789 --> 02:48:54,509
Adam Curry: Remember, everybody
all media is is convincing. You

2870
02:48:54,509 --> 02:48:55,949
have something one way or the
other.

2871
02:48:57,060 --> 02:48:59,130
John C. Dvorak: But you right.
Yeah. The Andy thinks should

2872
02:48:59,130 --> 02:49:02,610
have been reported by someone.
But now know if it was it was

2873
02:49:02,610 --> 02:49:04,500
the other side of the coin, it
would have been reported for

2874
02:49:04,500 --> 02:49:06,990
sure. I mean, that's the other
problem with with your whole

2875
02:49:06,990 --> 02:49:10,830
presentation about advertising
is that the media has been

2876
02:49:10,830 --> 02:49:15,330
pushing an agenda that makes it
very uncomfortable to advertise

2877
02:49:15,330 --> 02:49:18,240
for advertisers to go any
places. I think it's almost like

2878
02:49:18,390 --> 02:49:22,710
they're doing it to protect
their interests. So that the

2879
02:49:22,710 --> 02:49:25,560
whole anti Trump thing is like
it is part of a money making

2880
02:49:25,560 --> 02:49:29,700
scheme. Yeah, like anybody
sincerely hates Trump. I mean, I

2881
02:49:29,700 --> 02:49:32,490
think a lot of them do because
they kind of trained that way,

2882
02:49:32,490 --> 02:49:36,420
but that's not the point.
Anyway,

2883
02:49:36,450 --> 02:49:39,090
Adam Curry: Money makes the
world go round. We all know it.

2884
02:49:39,090 --> 02:49:44,010
You can we got to say it. It's
just true. And everything,

2885
02:49:44,040 --> 02:49:49,470
pretty much everything is
advertising in media. I mean, we

2886
02:49:49,470 --> 02:49:54,390
got to, you know, Andy's problem
was he wasn't he wasn't on a TV

2887
02:49:54,390 --> 02:49:58,530
show. He was gay. He was he's
not white.

2888
02:49:59,670 --> 02:50:01,290
John C. Dvorak: By the way, He
has a Twitter feed that's

2889
02:50:01,290 --> 02:50:07,440
fascinating his Twitter feed it
one point you can go back and

2890
02:50:07,440 --> 02:50:13,650
get enough of it is documented
every one of these phony baloney

2891
02:50:13,650 --> 02:50:15,930
you know that Jesse Smollett
kind of thing.

2892
02:50:16,470 --> 02:50:19,650
Adam Curry: Oh, outrage, hate
crimes hoax,

2893
02:50:20,820 --> 02:50:23,460
John C. Dvorak: attacks,
interest and he talks documents

2894
02:50:23,460 --> 02:50:27,780
and back for years he must have
100 of them and one after the

2895
02:50:27,780 --> 02:50:30,180
other and it's just like you
read him you go home remember

2896
02:50:30,180 --> 02:50:32,760
that? I remember that. So you
know, like there's a situation

2897
02:50:32,760 --> 02:50:35,130
that happened with Rolling Stone
magazine where the reporter was

2898
02:50:35,130 --> 02:50:39,600
suckered by some woman crying
about being raped and turned out

2899
02:50:39,600 --> 02:50:42,450
she was never even there. And
then he lived in a town and she

2900
02:50:42,450 --> 02:50:47,190
they write a big story about it,
burning off some some fraternity

2901
02:50:47,670 --> 02:50:50,610
kind of passed by the way, she
sighed. He's documented all

2902
02:50:50,610 --> 02:50:54,390
these it's quite interesting.
The guy's name is spelled N G O

2903
02:50:54,390 --> 02:50:55,320
if anyone's interested.

2904
02:50:56,640 --> 02:50:58,110
Adam Curry: Just a couple other
things that were there. We'll

2905
02:50:58,110 --> 02:51:00,660
follow up on Thursday and we
have more information. Wall

2906
02:51:00,660 --> 02:51:05,100
Street will be waiting for more
news regarding meetings between

2907
02:51:05,550 --> 02:51:10,530
Trump and Zhi Jing ping. There
has been some positive news kind

2908
02:51:10,530 --> 02:51:14,760
of like well, you know, it looks
like we'll be able to get Huawei

2909
02:51:14,760 --> 02:51:18,630
back while we're working on
stuff that we haven't I think

2910
02:51:18,870 --> 02:51:23,250
the street is really looking for
you know, some some big positive

2911
02:51:23,280 --> 02:51:25,260
Yes, concrete thing.

2912
02:51:25,619 --> 02:51:27,689
John C. Dvorak: In addition to
that anyone listen to the last

2913
02:51:27,689 --> 02:51:34,079
DHL unplugged. Andrew horror was
predicted the meetings over

2914
02:51:34,319 --> 02:51:38,009
Yeah, Andrew horror was
predicted this almost to the

2915
02:51:38,009 --> 02:51:41,489
letter. Okay. It was gonna be a
nothing. Yeah. Okay. You know,

2916
02:51:41,489 --> 02:51:44,309
kind of an agreement to agree
kind of meeting. Did you have

2917
02:51:44,309 --> 02:51:46,529
anything to do? It didn't really
make a lot. Thank you. Nothing

2918
02:51:46,530 --> 02:51:47,190
Adam Curry: robust, a

2919
02:51:47,190 --> 02:51:49,380
John C. Dvorak: little break on
on living the problem with the

2920
02:51:49,380 --> 02:51:51,750
wall. He's having trouble
getting certain parts only to

2921
02:51:51,750 --> 02:51:55,980
get from American suppliers. So
that's been loosened. And then

2922
02:51:55,980 --> 02:51:58,920
so that has been loosened a
little. Yeah, it's been loosened

2923
02:51:58,920 --> 02:51:59,910
a lot. Yeah.

2924
02:52:02,400 --> 02:52:05,610
Adam Curry: Well, I think that
that should cause some shakeups

2925
02:52:05,610 --> 02:52:10,680
tomorrow. It's also this Iran
instex thing, which is, I should

2926
02:52:10,680 --> 02:52:13,620
play this clip just so we're on
top of it, because this is this

2927
02:52:13,620 --> 02:52:17,760
is a real threat. To the United
States. Our system that is our

2928
02:52:17,760 --> 02:52:21,780
system is the petro dollar, the
United States dollar, which we

2929
02:52:21,960 --> 02:52:26,250
enforce at the end of the barrel
of a gun. And what we don't want

2930
02:52:26,280 --> 02:52:31,440
is people trading oil in other
currencies enter insects

2931
02:52:31,470 --> 02:52:34,500
Unknown: is the deal dead today
in Vienna, the EU three that's

2932
02:52:34,500 --> 02:52:38,820
France, Germany in the UK, plus,
Russia and China met an Iranian

2933
02:52:38,820 --> 02:52:42,420
delegation to try and keep it
alive. One of the keys to that

2934
02:52:42,420 --> 02:52:45,780
they believe is a European Trade
mechanism called instex. That

2935
02:52:45,780 --> 02:52:49,140
will allow countries to continue
trading with Iran without

2936
02:52:49,140 --> 02:52:53,460
falling foul of secondary US
sanctions. The EU has confirmed

2937
02:52:53,460 --> 02:52:57,210
that instex is now up and
running. Iran's Deputy Foreign

2938
02:52:57,210 --> 02:53:00,750
Minister Abbas araqchi gave that
news are cautious welcome,

2939
02:53:01,109 --> 02:53:04,979
countries, we used to buy oil
from Iran or considering to buy

2940
02:53:04,979 --> 02:53:09,869
Iranian oil in different
mechanisms. For Europeans cases,

2941
02:53:09,869 --> 02:53:13,049
perhaps a bit different. What
they are trying to do is first

2942
02:53:13,049 --> 02:53:17,549
to establish a banking channel
or a financial channel for

2943
02:53:17,549 --> 02:53:21,299
financial transactions. Insects
is now operationalized is now

2944
02:53:21,299 --> 02:53:27,839
active. But the rest is still
far from our expectations. Well,

2945
02:53:27,839 --> 02:53:31,019
Natalie Tachi, his special
adviser to the EU's foreign

2946
02:53:31,019 --> 02:53:34,439
policy chief Federica Mogherini.
So how important is the news

2947
02:53:34,439 --> 02:53:37,649
that the insects mechanism
appears to be up and running?

2948
02:53:38,250 --> 02:53:42,000
Well, I think it's key because
essentially, what it is, is that

2949
02:53:42,330 --> 02:53:45,840
a spa essentially a state backed
instrument to allow for you

2950
02:53:45,840 --> 02:53:50,700
around trade, is operational and
is now preparing to conduct its

2951
02:53:50,700 --> 02:53:54,510
first transactions. I think the
second piece of important news

2952
02:53:54,510 --> 02:53:59,490
today, is the fact that seven
other EU member states have

2953
02:53:59,490 --> 02:54:03,630
committed essentially to sort of
working alongside that EU three

2954
02:54:03,630 --> 02:54:07,290
and the European External Action
Service in the context of

2955
02:54:07,350 --> 02:54:10,920
insects. So I think this really
demonstrates that Europeans are

2956
02:54:10,920 --> 02:54:13,470
not simply committed to the
Joint Comprehensive Plan of

2957
02:54:13,470 --> 02:54:15,840
Action in words, but they're
actually prepared to stick out

2958
02:54:15,840 --> 02:54:18,450
their legs in action as well.

2959
02:54:19,920 --> 02:54:23,910
Adam Curry: So this, this cannot
stand, of course. I don't know

2960
02:54:23,910 --> 02:54:26,970
what they're going to do about
it. But we can have this this

2961
02:54:26,970 --> 02:54:30,300
trading or insects, by the way,
that stands for instrument in

2962
02:54:30,300 --> 02:54:33,390
support of trading exchange.
It's been around for a while.

2963
02:54:33,780 --> 02:54:38,130
This isn't brand new, that just
never really activated it. But I

2964
02:54:38,130 --> 02:54:39,210
think this is a problem.

2965
02:54:40,170 --> 02:54:42,900
John C. Dvorak: I agree. And I
don't know what like a secondary

2966
02:54:42,900 --> 02:54:43,530
currency.

2967
02:54:43,950 --> 02:54:47,850
Adam Curry: Yeah. And if they
really start trading, and I

2968
02:54:47,850 --> 02:54:50,310
there would have to be
retaliation against Europe, the

2969
02:54:50,310 --> 02:54:53,010
EU three as we were just told,
don't you think?

2970
02:54:53,520 --> 02:54:55,890
John C. Dvorak: I would
absolutely think yes, if you're

2971
02:54:55,890 --> 02:54:59,040
going to do anything at all,
can't have this is just a

2972
02:54:59,250 --> 02:55:02,310
workaround. Oh, yeah, there's a
rule in place you're not

2973
02:55:02,310 --> 02:55:05,760
supposed to trade under these
circumstances. And doing a

2974
02:55:05,760 --> 02:55:08,490
workaround is cheating. It's
just cheating. I don't know why

2975
02:55:08,490 --> 02:55:09,930
they even caught don't call it
that.

2976
02:55:10,650 --> 02:55:13,290
Adam Curry: Well, it's going to
be trying times for our

2977
02:55:13,290 --> 02:55:15,960
president we shall see. We'll
see how he does.

2978
02:55:16,380 --> 02:55:18,000
John C. Dvorak: No, no, he's
gonna do that. I do have one

2979
02:55:18,000 --> 02:55:18,690
last thing.

2980
02:55:18,750 --> 02:55:20,640
Adam Curry: All right, this this
has got to be at work. The

2981
02:55:20,640 --> 02:55:22,050
affiliates are already past.

2982
02:55:22,740 --> 02:55:26,460
John C. Dvorak: The they've
always been pissed. The I have

2983
02:55:26,490 --> 02:55:29,040
actually played the two clips or
I can play the one clip. I think

2984
02:55:29,040 --> 02:55:32,370
I'm going to play two clips. And
this is the Jimmy Carter comment

2985
02:55:32,370 --> 02:55:35,010
that took place where he'd said
that Trump is an illegitimate

2986
02:55:35,010 --> 02:55:39,180
president because the Russians
fix the Alexa election. And he

2987
02:55:39,180 --> 02:55:42,540
made this comment on the stage
and he got a lot of attention. I

2988
02:55:42,540 --> 02:55:45,510
have the PBS report, which I
thought soft peddled it because

2989
02:55:45,510 --> 02:55:49,710
I have the original clip of him
actually saying and how he said

2990
02:55:49,710 --> 02:55:53,460
it. Yeah. And this and PBS kind
of I thought they were kind of

2991
02:55:53,460 --> 02:55:56,970
kind to Trump for a change.
Because I guess bit nobody's

2992
02:55:56,970 --> 02:55:59,640
taking Carter too seriously, and
they want to make a big deal out

2993
02:55:59,640 --> 02:56:03,330
of what he actually said, which
was pretty pathetic. But let's

2994
02:56:03,330 --> 02:56:09,900
play. The PBS clip first is only
51 seconds. Um, yes, objective

2995
02:56:09,900 --> 02:56:12,060
report on Jimmy Carter got it

2996
02:56:12,119 --> 02:56:14,969
and a related development,
former President Jimmy Carter

2997
02:56:14,969 --> 02:56:19,289
said he believes President Trump
actually lost the 2016 election,

2998
02:56:19,499 --> 02:56:23,459
but Russian interference won him
the White House anyway. Mr.

2999
02:56:23,459 --> 02:56:27,059
Carter spoke in Virginia at a
discussion on human rights.

3000
02:56:27,239 --> 02:56:30,869
Historian Jon Meacham asked if
that means he thinks to trump

3001
02:56:30,869 --> 02:56:32,789
presidency is, quote,
illegitimate.

3002
02:56:33,750 --> 02:56:35,910
There's no doubt that the
Russians did interfere in the

3003
02:56:35,910 --> 02:56:38,760
election. And I think the
interference although not yet

3004
02:56:38,760 --> 02:56:43,050
quantified, if fully reverse yet
it would show that Trump didn't

3005
02:56:43,050 --> 02:56:47,220
actually win the election in
2016. He lost the election, and

3006
02:56:47,220 --> 02:56:50,070
he was put in office because the
Russians interfere.

3007
02:56:51,330 --> 02:56:55,680
In a 2017 report, US
intelligence agencies concluded

3008
02:56:55,860 --> 02:57:00,120
that Russia did interfere in the
2016 election to help Mr. Trump

3009
02:57:00,390 --> 02:57:03,180
they did not assess whether
those actions affected the

3010
02:57:03,180 --> 02:57:03,870
outcome.

3011
02:57:04,920 --> 02:57:09,480
Which is objective. She she has
a tell where she smacks her lips

3012
02:57:09,480 --> 02:57:11,580
at the beginning. Coming out of
a clip.

3013
02:57:12,690 --> 02:57:16,800
Adam Curry: Oh, hold on. We need
to listen to this. lipsmack not

3014
02:57:16,800 --> 02:57:19,080
sure what I want to hear. I want
to hear it. I want to say

3015
02:57:19,080 --> 02:57:21,840
John C. Dvorak: election and he
was put in office because the

3016
02:57:21,870 --> 02:57:22,980
Russians interfere

3017
02:57:24,210 --> 02:57:26,580
Adam Curry: in you it's more of
a

3018
02:57:29,220 --> 02:57:32,220
John C. Dvorak: Okay, he does it
a lot. Yeah, she scratchy smacks

3019
02:57:32,220 --> 02:57:37,320
her lips more than anybody on
the air. She should have the new

3020
02:57:37,320 --> 02:57:40,620
whatever did guide our producer
caught us doing it. She should

3021
02:57:40,620 --> 02:57:43,980
write her route. Now. Here's the
whole clip. This is the little

3022
02:57:44,010 --> 02:57:44,430
interview.

3023
02:57:44,669 --> 02:57:46,499
Adam Curry: Let me just let me
just review. Let me just review.

3024
02:57:46,619 --> 02:57:51,689
What I heard Carter say in that
clip was President Trump did not

3025
02:57:51,689 --> 02:57:58,229
win the election. He somehow he
got put in by Putin.

3026
02:57:58,680 --> 02:58:00,270
John C. Dvorak: Yeah, well,
that's pretty much what he says

3027
02:58:00,270 --> 02:58:03,420
in this clip too. But this takes
a little further and then also

3028
02:58:03,420 --> 02:58:07,710
add some screwball, then ending
that's kind of gets a big laugh

3029
02:58:07,710 --> 02:58:09,840
for the audience. I just found
the whole thing to be

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02:58:09,840 --> 02:58:12,900
disturbing. And Carter, and
Carter was up there on the stage

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02:58:12,900 --> 02:58:15,030
with Meacham. And then there's
some guy I don't know, who was

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02:58:15,030 --> 02:58:18,360
sitting next to Carter, who
looked like he was half dead.

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02:58:18,660 --> 02:58:21,570
And he's just sitting there like
a like a lump, as my mother used

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02:58:21,570 --> 02:58:24,660
to say, but but let's play this

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02:58:24,720 --> 02:58:27,780
Unknown: Russia, as has been
proven or by our intelligence

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02:58:27,780 --> 02:58:31,830
community to have interfered
with one of our human rights,

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02:58:31,860 --> 02:58:34,800
which is the right of free and
fair elections. What's your

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02:58:34,800 --> 02:58:35,730
reaction? How

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02:58:35,730 --> 02:58:38,250
John C. Dvorak: should we deal
with Russia? Well, the President

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02:58:38,250 --> 02:58:43,290
himself should condemn it. Admit
there happened, which 16 of

3041
02:58:43,290 --> 02:58:46,890
intelligence agencies have
already agreed to do to say, and

3042
02:58:46,980 --> 02:58:49,140
there's no doubt that the
Russians did interfere in the

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02:58:49,140 --> 02:58:51,960
election. And I think they enter
France, although not yet

3044
02:58:51,960 --> 02:58:56,040
quantified. I have pulled any
budget, it will show that Trump

3045
02:58:56,040 --> 02:58:59,910
didn't actually win the election
in 2016. He lost the election,

3046
02:59:00,240 --> 02:59:04,470
and he was put in office because
they Russians interfere on his

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02:59:04,470 --> 02:59:04,860
behalf.

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02:59:05,550 --> 02:59:07,020
Unknown: So do you believe
President Trump is an

3049
02:59:07,020 --> 02:59:08,160
illegitimate president?

3050
02:59:12,210 --> 02:59:14,640
John C. Dvorak: Based on what I
just said, was I can't retract?

3051
02:59:19,050 --> 02:59:21,450
Adam Curry: Women, that's a
little different than the way

3052
02:59:21,450 --> 02:59:22,500
the report was.

3053
02:59:24,480 --> 02:59:27,510
John C. Dvorak: The report was a
little Yeah, it didn't take it

3054
02:59:27,510 --> 02:59:30,870
didn't bring all the nuttiness
out. The report is pretty

3055
02:59:30,870 --> 02:59:34,980
straightforward. I thought the
report was was I thought the

3056
02:59:34,980 --> 02:59:38,610
report is okay. I thought it was
objective. It was still brought

3057
02:59:38,610 --> 02:59:40,980
him out but didn't lose you to
hear the whole thing which he

3058
02:59:40,980 --> 02:59:44,010
just did. It's a little more
radical. I thought.

3059
02:59:44,760 --> 02:59:47,910
Adam Curry: Well, I'm very happy
that the national news media is

3060
02:59:47,910 --> 02:59:51,300
completely obsessed with this
kind of stuff with an old guy

3061
02:59:51,570 --> 02:59:55,080
who was a one term president,

3062
02:59:56,310 --> 02:59:58,530
John C. Dvorak: by many
considered the worst president

3063
02:59:58,530 --> 02:59:59,310
in history,

3064
02:59:59,400 --> 03:00:01,740
Adam Curry: and this one Very
important to have all this going

3065
03:00:01,740 --> 03:00:05,520
on. Meanwhile, we have a
domestic terrorist with the ski

3066
03:00:05,520 --> 03:00:11,790
masks throwing wet cemented
people beating up gays. And

3067
03:00:11,790 --> 03:00:20,190
that's not covered. Maybe it's
just me Murca baby. We are the

3068
03:00:20,610 --> 03:00:25,320
beacon of shining light for all
media manipulation. foam finger

3069
03:00:25,320 --> 03:00:28,170
number one, you can't beat us.
We know how to do it. We're

3070
03:00:28,170 --> 03:00:31,200
number one. And that will do it
for our deconstruction for

3071
03:00:31,200 --> 03:00:33,840
today. Hope you enjoyed it. If
you found any value in this, let

3072
03:00:33,840 --> 03:00:39,480
us know. One of the best ways is
to go to divorce.org/na and

3073
03:00:39,480 --> 03:00:43,050
support the show whatever you
felt that was a value today. If

3074
03:00:43,050 --> 03:00:47,700
it's literally keeping you sane,
you know what to do. It keeps us

3075
03:00:47,700 --> 03:00:50,910
going. And we thank all of our
producers for all of their input

3076
03:00:50,910 --> 03:00:53,520
feedback, even if we don't like
it, it's still highly

3077
03:00:53,520 --> 03:00:57,360
appreciated. And I am coming to
you from the frontier of Austin,

3078
03:00:57,360 --> 03:01:01,530
Texas. It's FEMA Region number
six on the governmental maps if

3079
03:01:01,530 --> 03:01:03,690
you're looking for it in the
morning, everybody,

3080
03:01:03,930 --> 03:01:05,850
John C. Dvorak: I'm Adam curry,
and from Northern Silicon

3081
03:01:05,850 --> 03:01:07,680
Valley. I'm John C. Dvorak
coming

3082
03:01:07,680 --> 03:01:10,110
Adam Curry: up next on no
agenda. stream.com grumpy old

3083
03:01:10,110 --> 03:01:15,360
Ben's number 13 Thanks to Jesse
Coyne Nelson, and Sir Chris

3084
03:01:15,360 --> 03:01:18,900
Williams. Chris Wilson. I'm
sorry. For the end of show mixes

3085
03:01:18,900 --> 03:01:22,230
we'll be back on Thursday
remember us DeVore act.org/na

3086
03:01:22,230 --> 03:01:28,200
Until then, adios MooMoo mofos
and such

3087
03:01:39,420 --> 03:01:41,430
John C. Dvorak: I think most
people think of rape as being

3088
03:01:41,430 --> 03:01:47,100
sexy, but you don't feel like a
victim. I was not thrown on the

3089
03:01:47,100 --> 03:01:57,240
ground and ravish I walked in
right and and we set the door

3090
03:01:57,240 --> 03:01:57,900
and bang

3091
03:01:57,929 --> 03:02:00,599
against the wall but I have no
idea who she is

3092
03:02:02,130 --> 03:02:04,740
Adam Curry: the fantasy
immediately upon walking into

3093
03:02:04,740 --> 03:02:05,790
that dress why it's acting

3094
03:02:05,820 --> 03:02:10,440
John C. Dvorak: against the wall
Instagram we'll talk money

3095
03:02:11,550 --> 03:02:12,840
fascinating to talk to

3096
03:02:14,310 --> 03:02:19,710
this is a woman who's also
accused other men it is a

3097
03:02:19,710 --> 03:02:24,720
totally false accusation. I
think she was buried as I read I

3098
03:02:24,720 --> 03:02:28,620
have no idea who she is. But she
was married to a Johnson

3099
03:02:30,030 --> 03:02:32,910
Adam Curry: buffalo the Dyngus
Bay capital of the world

3100
03:02:32,940 --> 03:02:34,500
Unknown: you're fascinating to
talk to

3101
03:03:03,990 --> 03:03:13,200
this valley insider has switched
bodies going to watch youtube

3102
03:03:13,230 --> 03:03:22,560
today she's got a big fan stream
she always says she was gonna

3103
03:03:22,560 --> 03:03:27,270
let us go when you can see no
drilling because there is no

3104
03:03:27,270 --> 03:03:38,040
truly one reason do you need to
be lovey dovey my dog don't

3105
03:03:41,160 --> 03:03:50,850
don't communities draw the whole
side down

3106
03:03:56,970 --> 03:03:59,490
Adam Curry: this video from your
account has been disabled for

3107
03:03:59,490 --> 03:04:02,910
violation of the YouTube
community guidelines. Thank you

3108
03:04:02,910 --> 03:04:04,740
and have a nice day. Oh well.

3109
03:04:05,250 --> 03:04:07,470
Guess it better go and ask for a
manual review.

3110
03:04:25,770 --> 03:04:29,250
boruch.org/and a

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03:04:30,420 --> 03:04:32,100
John C. Dvorak: hello to both of
you.