1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:02,970 John C. Dvorak: I am a robot. I am sustainable. You must die. 2 00:00:03,270 --> 00:00:05,400 Adam curry John C. Devorah. 3 00:00:05,550 --> 00:00:08,280 Adam Curry: Sunday August 11 2019. This is your award 4 00:00:08,280 --> 00:00:11,970 winning keep our nation media assassination episode 1163. 5 00:00:12,000 --> 00:00:13,980 Unknown: This is no agenda, 6 00:00:14,700 --> 00:00:17,400 Adam Curry: avoiding hot tub small aircraft, tall buildings 7 00:00:17,400 --> 00:00:20,370 and broadcasting live from the frontier of Austin, Texas 8 00:00:20,370 --> 00:00:23,130 capital of the drone star. Stay in the morning, everybody. I'm 9 00:00:23,130 --> 00:00:23,820 Adam curry 10 00:00:23,880 --> 00:00:26,100 John C. Dvorak: and from Northern Silicon Valley where 11 00:00:26,100 --> 00:00:29,550 it's a beautiful day in the neighborhood. Won't you be my 12 00:00:29,550 --> 00:00:33,510 neighbor? I'm Jesse. Gill. 13 00:00:35,010 --> 00:00:37,740 Adam Curry: I'm just going to ignore the whole neighborhood 14 00:00:37,740 --> 00:00:41,880 conversation. I know you don't like him, he's dead. Don't worry 15 00:00:41,880 --> 00:00:45,900 about it. Meaning to hate to sweaters. I got it. The man is 16 00:00:45,900 --> 00:00:46,620 not loved. What 17 00:00:46,620 --> 00:00:49,350 John C. Dvorak: do you what are you rambling on about? I know 18 00:00:49,350 --> 00:00:52,710 Adam Curry: you don't like Mr. Ross. You don't like Mr. Rogers? 19 00:00:53,070 --> 00:00:57,060 A point a point of order point of order. Kind of 20 00:00:57,060 --> 00:00:59,430 John C. Dvorak: information. Point of information. 21 00:00:59,430 --> 00:01:04,080 Adam Curry: Conrad. I would like to mention, the way we work on 22 00:01:04,080 --> 00:01:09,330 this show is a novel way we believe it is the way to go. A 23 00:01:09,330 --> 00:01:13,470 John and I are pretty much not in contact in between shows 24 00:01:13,470 --> 00:01:17,490 during the week except for some maybe administrative stuff. 25 00:01:17,520 --> 00:01:21,900 Maybe there's something we want to make sure the other has seen. 26 00:01:22,200 --> 00:01:25,200 But rarely will we talk about what we're working on what we're 27 00:01:25,200 --> 00:01:25,710 collecting. 28 00:01:25,710 --> 00:01:29,220 John C. Dvorak: I should mention that once in a while not often. 29 00:01:29,790 --> 00:01:31,170 We work on a skit. 30 00:01:32,070 --> 00:01:33,810 Adam Curry: Yeah, and that always fails. 31 00:01:34,470 --> 00:01:39,600 John C. Dvorak: Always pay that often. No, it's Zephyr Yeah, 32 00:01:39,630 --> 00:01:47,580 very good night. You know how many cars 456-789-1010 No, no 33 00:01:47,580 --> 00:01:48,360 extra car. 34 00:01:49,290 --> 00:01:55,620 Adam Curry: Um, so similarly, I do not know what clips John has. 35 00:01:55,650 --> 00:01:58,980 He does not know what clips I have. However, John does his 36 00:01:58,980 --> 00:02:02,010 clips the evening before Saturday night so they come in 37 00:02:02,010 --> 00:02:04,620 around one or 2am My time I don't see them until the 38 00:02:04,620 --> 00:02:08,160 morning. Of course I do download them I don't listen to them. I 39 00:02:08,160 --> 00:02:11,880 do look at the titles and to give me a little bit of 40 00:02:11,880 --> 00:02:14,790 indication where in what area he's been researching and I'm 41 00:02:14,790 --> 00:02:20,100 very happy to see that you have crossed the streams and entered 42 00:02:20,100 --> 00:02:28,980 into my my fantastic Polly territory. Which I like a lot. 43 00:02:29,460 --> 00:02:32,760 Actually, that's not the amazing Polly I think is her name. So I 44 00:02:32,760 --> 00:02:36,210 immediately ceased all production on the amazing Polly 45 00:02:36,210 --> 00:02:39,540 clips. So we will get to those actually fabulous Pollyanna. 46 00:02:39,810 --> 00:02:44,190 It's amazing. The amazing Polly the amazing Polly is what she 47 00:02:44,190 --> 00:02:49,320 is. The YouTuber apparently you found as well who I've been 48 00:02:49,500 --> 00:02:51,270 following for weeks and weeks. 49 00:02:51,359 --> 00:02:55,619 John C. Dvorak: Well, she cropped up on the botanic feed. 50 00:02:55,650 --> 00:02:59,550 Adam Curry: Yeah, that's because he he actually has gotten stuff 51 00:02:59,550 --> 00:03:03,030 from her. So we he so he tells me. 52 00:03:03,630 --> 00:03:07,470 John C. Dvorak: Yeah, well, it's a dubious source to say the 53 00:03:07,470 --> 00:03:08,010 least. 54 00:03:08,130 --> 00:03:10,560 Adam Curry: Well, she's not a source. She's a 55 00:03:10,560 --> 00:03:11,940 deconstructionist 56 00:03:12,750 --> 00:03:16,290 John C. Dvorak: she is. She's less well, if you want to call 57 00:03:16,290 --> 00:03:23,700 her that. I would call her a liar. guilt by association 58 00:03:23,700 --> 00:03:24,630 specialist. 59 00:03:24,690 --> 00:03:27,390 Adam Curry: Oh, yeah. Well, she she does yarn. She does yarn and 60 00:03:27,390 --> 00:03:35,880 tax. You know, colored yarn mirror artist. Oh, I wouldn't 61 00:03:35,880 --> 00:03:43,560 say that. Okay, so this is Sunday, August 11. The second 62 00:03:43,560 --> 00:03:47,220 Thursday show of the week. Typically, the events that 63 00:03:47,220 --> 00:03:49,830 occurred yesterday happened on the show day. So it was quite 64 00:03:49,830 --> 00:03:52,320 surprising. We had a little bit of time to at least think about 65 00:03:52,320 --> 00:03:57,690 it. This is the apparent suicide of Jeffrey Epstein. 66 00:04:00,300 --> 00:04:03,450 John C. Dvorak: crowd goes wild. Yeah, here's 67 00:04:03,450 --> 00:04:12,240 Adam Curry: the crowd. I was I was downtrodden. disheartened 68 00:04:12,240 --> 00:04:13,260 when I heard this. 69 00:04:15,180 --> 00:04:17,940 John C. Dvorak: Well considering is in a federal facility and 70 00:04:17,940 --> 00:04:21,720 he's got was was on suicide watch, which apparently they 71 00:04:21,720 --> 00:04:24,480 dropped. And he was being monitored by cameras, which 72 00:04:24,480 --> 00:04:29,010 apparently stopped working and all the rest. Now, it wouldn't 73 00:04:29,010 --> 00:04:31,470 be somewhat disheartening. I don't think anybody was too 74 00:04:31,470 --> 00:04:33,720 happy about it bar in particular. 75 00:04:33,990 --> 00:04:36,210 Adam Curry: Well, a couple of things changed. As far as I 76 00:04:36,210 --> 00:04:40,770 know, it was ABC and the New York Post who reported this 77 00:04:40,800 --> 00:04:47,670 first. And I And I'm always I mean, I had to because it 78 00:04:47,670 --> 00:04:52,170 happened early in the morning and my phone was just ringing 79 00:04:52,410 --> 00:04:56,040 because I was getting text messages from people saying, you 80 00:04:56,040 --> 00:04:58,860 got to see this. You gotta see what's happening. And so that 81 00:04:58,860 --> 00:05:03,420 was kind of handy that we could immediately see who was 82 00:05:03,420 --> 00:05:06,990 responding first and what they were saying. And no doubt that 83 00:05:07,020 --> 00:05:11,130 it was the same everywhere. I think ABC though was the first 84 00:05:11,130 --> 00:05:15,090 and not only did they kind of start off the messaging, but 85 00:05:15,090 --> 00:05:18,840 they also changed a couple things that How have we always 86 00:05:18,840 --> 00:05:24,210 heard Epstein being described the billionaire financier, hedge 87 00:05:24,210 --> 00:05:29,640 fund manager. Then of course, all of the alleged alleged 88 00:05:29,640 --> 00:05:33,030 assaults. So ABC did just came out with this and I was like, 89 00:05:33,450 --> 00:05:33,960 Okay, 90 00:05:34,110 --> 00:05:37,230 Unknown: wait. So Sources tell ABC News Jeffrey Epstein 91 00:05:37,530 --> 00:05:41,730 Adam Curry: does for them to report sources and very came out 92 00:05:41,730 --> 00:05:45,000 very fact of the matter. Everyone had, according to 93 00:05:45,000 --> 00:05:48,540 sources, no name, that no official statement. Have we ever 94 00:05:48,540 --> 00:05:51,030 really seen the official statement from the Met from the 95 00:05:51,030 --> 00:05:53,070 metro correction facility? I 96 00:05:53,070 --> 00:05:54,900 Unknown: don't even think it's a good question because I don't 97 00:05:54,900 --> 00:05:57,450 remember. I don't recall seeing one either. So 98 00:05:57,450 --> 00:06:00,510 Adam Curry: the message was put out very distinctly. Wait, so 99 00:06:00,540 --> 00:06:03,780 Unknown: Sources tell ABC News Jeffrey Epstein took his own 100 00:06:03,780 --> 00:06:07,650 life. The exact timing and circumstances are unclear right 101 00:06:07,650 --> 00:06:09,390 now but the mega Millionaire is 102 00:06:10,020 --> 00:06:12,930 Adam Curry: notice this. We've gone from billionaire financier 103 00:06:12,930 --> 00:06:16,500 to mega millionaire he's gotten the downgrade is accused 104 00:06:16,500 --> 00:06:19,200 Unknown: of exploiting and abusing dozens of minor girls. 105 00:06:19,200 --> 00:06:22,350 He'd been on suicide watch. And in New York City Jail, you'll 106 00:06:22,350 --> 00:06:25,380 remember he was found unresponsive in his cell last 107 00:06:25,380 --> 00:06:27,390 month with marks on his neck. And 108 00:06:29,130 --> 00:06:30,660 John C. Dvorak: just to make sure we get this correct. It's 109 00:06:30,660 --> 00:06:34,020 not it's not true. It's not a New York City Jail. 110 00:06:34,080 --> 00:06:36,510 Adam Curry: It was also not found unresponsive a couple of 111 00:06:36,510 --> 00:06:39,720 weeks ago, he was found complaining of some of his neck 112 00:06:39,720 --> 00:06:42,330 being hurt. I don't think he was unresponsive. Yeah, 113 00:06:42,510 --> 00:06:44,910 Unknown: this cell last month with marks on his neck. 114 00:06:45,120 --> 00:06:49,170 Initially, investigators thought he'd tried to take his own life. 115 00:06:49,170 --> 00:06:51,600 They were then looking into whether he was assaulted by 116 00:06:51,600 --> 00:06:55,380 another inmate, or if he'd even paid someone to beat him up. 117 00:06:55,620 --> 00:06:58,950 Epstein's attorneys had been fighting to get him out on bail, 118 00:06:58,950 --> 00:07:02,760 but a judge refused. Prosecutors argued the mega millionaires 119 00:07:02,760 --> 00:07:06,270 lifestyle and wealth made him an extreme flight risk 120 00:07:06,300 --> 00:07:08,760 Adam Curry: again, make a millionaire just an interesting 121 00:07:08,760 --> 00:07:09,990 to see that change. 122 00:07:10,170 --> 00:07:11,850 John C. Dvorak: Another couple of things you should note 123 00:07:12,570 --> 00:07:16,740 assaulted by another prisoner. Yeah. This particular jail is 124 00:07:16,740 --> 00:07:21,450 not allows mixing of prisoners and you can find out kind of 125 00:07:21,450 --> 00:07:26,070 what this place is like, believe it or not, by the Yelp reviews. 126 00:07:27,240 --> 00:07:29,820 Adam Curry: How many stars does it get as a as a lockup? 127 00:07:30,270 --> 00:07:33,240 John C. Dvorak: Clean one like I just give it one star and a lot 128 00:07:33,240 --> 00:07:36,270 of people get four stars five stars thinking it's pretty not a 129 00:07:36,270 --> 00:07:37,020 bad place to be. 130 00:07:37,530 --> 00:07:39,750 Adam Curry: Oh, they've got to be paid Yelpers you know how 131 00:07:39,750 --> 00:07:41,040 that goes. I get paid a positive. 132 00:07:41,460 --> 00:07:42,780 John C. Dvorak: And there's I don't see anybody been 133 00:07:42,840 --> 00:07:48,090 advertising boosting it. But there are Yelp reviews. And it 134 00:07:48,090 --> 00:07:51,120 describes the place as being almost impossible even see any 135 00:07:51,120 --> 00:07:53,460 other prisoners literally be assaulted by one. 136 00:07:53,789 --> 00:07:57,269 Adam Curry: So this news was so big that they immediately had to 137 00:07:57,419 --> 00:08:02,489 get our guy the constipated reporter Tom Yamas. Get him on 138 00:08:02,489 --> 00:08:03,299 the phone. 139 00:08:03,780 --> 00:08:05,670 John C. Dvorak: It's not time. Yeah, obviously. It's 140 00:08:08,640 --> 00:08:11,220 Unknown: yummy. Sounds pretty constipated here too. 141 00:08:11,250 --> 00:08:15,270 This also follows news just yesterday, of one of his 142 00:08:15,270 --> 00:08:18,480 associates, a separate court case, but one of the Epstein 143 00:08:18,480 --> 00:08:22,110 accusers coming out and naming names of some very prominent 144 00:08:22,110 --> 00:08:25,380 businessmen and politicians were both denied that they did 145 00:08:25,380 --> 00:08:28,710 anything inappropriate. But they started to name names started to 146 00:08:28,710 --> 00:08:31,710 come out in the public. And this is a little 147 00:08:31,710 --> 00:08:34,110 Adam Curry: confusing, because there's a couple things going 148 00:08:34,110 --> 00:08:39,810 on. There is a new woman who is speaking out. Jennifer a rose, I 149 00:08:39,810 --> 00:08:43,980 think her name is and she's new on the scene. At the same time, 150 00:08:43,980 --> 00:08:48,660 there were actual new DACA documents that were disclosed 151 00:08:48,810 --> 00:08:49,860 John C. Dvorak: 1000 pages. 152 00:08:50,430 --> 00:08:53,610 Adam Curry: The 2000. Yeah. And that included the Bill 153 00:08:53,610 --> 00:08:54,510 Richardson. 154 00:08:56,280 --> 00:08:58,770 John C. Dvorak: Names came from who specifically according to 155 00:08:58,770 --> 00:09:02,640 Yamas, does he say who was naming names? Because every time 156 00:09:02,640 --> 00:09:04,950 I've seen interviews with all these women, they they'll, 157 00:09:05,040 --> 00:09:07,830 they'll kind of beat around the bush, but they never name names. 158 00:09:08,250 --> 00:09:11,640 No, no, I don't think I've seen it. They're all listed there on 159 00:09:11,640 --> 00:09:12,600 that document. That's where 160 00:09:12,870 --> 00:09:14,760 Adam Curry: that's where the names came from. But he's saying 161 00:09:15,150 --> 00:09:16,920 it came from this new they 162 00:09:16,920 --> 00:09:19,080 Unknown: start to name names started to come out in the 163 00:09:19,080 --> 00:09:22,650 public. And one of the associates it was thought of 164 00:09:22,650 --> 00:09:25,200 that some of these Epstein associates were going to be 165 00:09:25,200 --> 00:09:28,920 brought in and possibly charged criminally. So the case was only 166 00:09:28,920 --> 00:09:33,270 getting bigger. So many young girls allegedly abused by 167 00:09:33,270 --> 00:09:36,150 Jeffrey Epstein. Thought they finally were going to seek 168 00:09:36,150 --> 00:09:38,730 justice. They thought they were going to see him rot in a jail 169 00:09:38,730 --> 00:09:42,390 cell. It's unclear at this point what they're thinking today if 170 00:09:42,390 --> 00:09:46,260 this indeed is just as for Jeffrey Epstein. The monster 171 00:09:46,260 --> 00:09:47,940 that they painted is no more 172 00:09:48,180 --> 00:09:50,910 Adam Curry: than he had one other short piece of 173 00:09:50,910 --> 00:09:51,690 information. 174 00:09:51,720 --> 00:09:53,970 Unknown: Well, the criminal case against Jeffrey Epstein 175 00:09:53,970 --> 00:09:57,600 personally obviously just over but if they go after some of his 176 00:09:57,600 --> 00:10:00,570 associates, you have to remember there are allegations out there 177 00:10:00,720 --> 00:10:04,890 that several women work with Jeffrey Epstein to procure some 178 00:10:04,890 --> 00:10:08,280 of these young girls, essentially Madams, if you will. 179 00:10:08,730 --> 00:10:12,420 So far, none of these women have been charged criminally yet, but 180 00:10:12,420 --> 00:10:14,970 there is thinking that the US attorney may go after some of 181 00:10:14,970 --> 00:10:18,000 these people. So the criminal case though it's not even there 182 00:10:18,000 --> 00:10:21,900 yet continue in that direction. There are also civil cases 183 00:10:22,080 --> 00:10:25,290 because gotta remember Jeffrey Epstein is worth at least $500 184 00:10:25,290 --> 00:10:25,590 billion 185 00:10:26,640 --> 00:10:29,970 Adam Curry: All right, so yes, apparently this does not 186 00:10:29,970 --> 00:10:33,270 necessarily hamper other investigations we don't really 187 00:10:33,300 --> 00:10:37,710 know exactly although I've seen some legal opinions that no one 188 00:10:37,710 --> 00:10:41,340 can challenge a search warrant now because Epstein is dead I 189 00:10:41,340 --> 00:10:43,470 really don't know I think in America you can do a lot with 190 00:10:43,470 --> 00:10:47,550 the with the legal system and delay a lot of things. But I am 191 00:10:47,550 --> 00:10:51,840 personally quite interested in TJ's Lane Maxwell, and no one 192 00:10:51,840 --> 00:10:57,360 really seems to there's a lot of saying madams handlers pimps. 193 00:10:57,870 --> 00:11:01,050 Maybe you'll hear Maxwell not even the first name, of course, 194 00:11:01,050 --> 00:11:05,250 it's almost impossible for most Americans to pronounce. Where is 195 00:11:05,250 --> 00:11:09,240 she? Now? I think she is a person of tremendous interest. 196 00:11:09,900 --> 00:11:13,170 But we'll have to just keep battling back and forth for 197 00:11:13,170 --> 00:11:16,440 several weeks about Epstein. Did he hanged himself? Was he 198 00:11:16,440 --> 00:11:24,150 killed? Was it the Clintons? To me, to me, it doesn't matter. 199 00:11:24,660 --> 00:11:27,090 And I'm happy. I think we should probably discuss it a little 200 00:11:27,090 --> 00:11:30,300 bit. But then we just have to agree this guy's out of the 201 00:11:30,300 --> 00:11:36,000 picture. And there's not much on this. It's I personally think he 202 00:11:36,000 --> 00:11:38,880 was this was more of an extraction possibly than 203 00:11:38,880 --> 00:11:39,480 anything. 204 00:11:39,719 --> 00:11:44,039 John C. Dvorak: But I think there's a possibility of that. I 205 00:11:44,039 --> 00:11:47,639 like to extraction idea because, as you just mentioned, the one 206 00:11:47,669 --> 00:11:50,189 aspect to what I didn't consider which is there. Where's the 207 00:11:50,189 --> 00:11:51,179 official statement? 208 00:11:51,240 --> 00:11:53,880 Adam Curry: Yeah, we haven't seen no fish, as far as I know, 209 00:11:53,880 --> 00:11:57,780 no official statement except for Barr, who said he was appalled 210 00:11:57,780 --> 00:12:02,550 to hear of this, and he's going to do something about it. And 211 00:12:02,580 --> 00:12:06,450 pretty much immediately this was politicized. Obviously, the 212 00:12:06,840 --> 00:12:11,760 Clinton body count had been trending for a while. And so 213 00:12:11,760 --> 00:12:18,420 this only helped that mean. I liked the opposing 214 00:12:18,480 --> 00:12:24,210 politicisation. Let me see if I can find it here. Where is she? 215 00:12:24,840 --> 00:12:28,860 Yes, this is joy read our favorite from MSNBC. 216 00:12:28,920 --> 00:12:31,620 Unknown: This is somebody who not only has high profile, who 217 00:12:31,620 --> 00:12:34,770 not only knew a lot of high profile people whose papers just 218 00:12:34,770 --> 00:12:37,530 came out of court or just let out some of the documents 219 00:12:37,530 --> 00:12:41,190 related to his cases that name high profile people who was 220 00:12:41,190 --> 00:12:43,950 friends with the current president of the United States, 221 00:12:44,010 --> 00:12:47,040 who flew a previous president of the United States around on this 222 00:12:47,040 --> 00:12:50,760 plane, who was alleged to have trafficked girls to a row a 223 00:12:50,760 --> 00:12:53,400 member of the royal family of Britain. Okay, this is not a 224 00:12:53,490 --> 00:12:56,310 this is this is you know, on the same level, like Bill Cosby is a 225 00:12:56,310 --> 00:13:00,060 famous person. Now who's now in prison. He knows a lot about a 226 00:13:00,060 --> 00:13:03,660 lot of people. And as you said earlier, his only way out at 227 00:13:03,660 --> 00:13:06,180 this point would be to talk about those people. So he's in 228 00:13:06,180 --> 00:13:09,450 his very vulnerable situation. And then you throw in the fact 229 00:13:09,450 --> 00:13:12,960 which I did not know until thank God Stephanie gospel sitting 230 00:13:12,960 --> 00:13:15,090 here and told me this, that this is now a facility under the 231 00:13:15,090 --> 00:13:18,840 control of the Department of Justice. And this department of 232 00:13:18,840 --> 00:13:21,750 justice does not exactly inspire confidence. Let's just be blunt, 233 00:13:22,320 --> 00:13:25,290 William bars Justice Department is not one that you can readily 234 00:13:25,290 --> 00:13:28,770 simply rely upon and feel confident in. And so what do we 235 00:13:28,770 --> 00:13:31,230 make of all this now that in this federal facility, this 236 00:13:31,230 --> 00:13:34,710 person was allowed to be alone long enough to either harm 237 00:13:34,710 --> 00:13:37,320 himself or be killed by we don't know what happened, right? We 238 00:13:37,320 --> 00:13:37,650 just don't 239 00:13:37,860 --> 00:13:40,500 Adam Curry: show the implication. And if you if 240 00:13:40,500 --> 00:13:43,200 you're on Twitter for more than 30 seconds, you'll see that and 241 00:13:43,200 --> 00:13:48,090 it, it has an Occam's Razor ring to it. That because there is no 242 00:13:48,090 --> 00:13:51,930 evidence that Trump flew on planes except one ferry flight 243 00:13:51,930 --> 00:13:56,640 back from Miami to New York when it was just him I think and the 244 00:13:56,640 --> 00:13:58,260 pilots. I don't think he's 245 00:13:58,590 --> 00:14:00,720 John C. Dvorak: the flight log shows. There's about six people 246 00:14:00,720 --> 00:14:01,140 on there. 247 00:14:01,710 --> 00:14:05,700 Adam Curry: When When Trump was on it, ya know, and were they 248 00:14:05,730 --> 00:14:07,350 going from Miami to New York. That's 249 00:14:07,350 --> 00:14:09,120 John C. Dvorak: what I didn't see where it was going. I just 250 00:14:09,120 --> 00:14:13,950 saw the somebody one of the lib Joe's had cut it out and she was 251 00:14:13,950 --> 00:14:15,570 on this plane. Trump's on a plane. 252 00:14:16,320 --> 00:14:21,930 Adam Curry: Okay, so he was on the plane. There's statements 253 00:14:21,930 --> 00:14:26,070 contrary to him being involved in and by the way, can we say 254 00:14:26,070 --> 00:14:29,640 children instead of young girls or under or underage girls? 255 00:14:29,970 --> 00:14:35,250 John C. Dvorak: A child has a 10 year old? A 15 year old is a 256 00:14:35,250 --> 00:14:39,420 girl. Yeah. All right. Good luck. So I don't use I wouldn't 257 00:14:39,420 --> 00:14:41,430 call 50 year old child like I 258 00:14:41,430 --> 00:14:45,570 Adam Curry: call. I call a 15 year old child. No. All right, 259 00:14:45,600 --> 00:14:50,670 fine. You call them girls. I'll call them children. But the 260 00:14:50,670 --> 00:14:54,720 outcomes razor aspect of it is oh, you know Trump clearly, you 261 00:14:54,720 --> 00:14:58,050 know, because in 2002 He's to even said you know, Epstein, 262 00:14:58,050 --> 00:15:01,230 great guy he loves to party with girls. I was on the younger side 263 00:15:01,230 --> 00:15:02,280 if you know what I mean. 264 00:15:03,060 --> 00:15:05,670 John C. Dvorak: He just he disowned himself from this case 265 00:15:05,700 --> 00:15:09,210 even know. That's that doesn't matter because over 15 years, 266 00:15:09,390 --> 00:15:11,970 especially doesn't matter if you listen to and you think that joy 267 00:15:11,970 --> 00:15:14,670 read was bad. That was bad I 268 00:15:14,670 --> 00:15:15,510 Adam Curry: got a topper. 269 00:15:16,140 --> 00:15:17,580 John C. Dvorak: Oh, yeah. Well, let 270 00:15:17,580 --> 00:15:20,340 Adam Curry: me just let me let me just finish the thought that 271 00:15:20,340 --> 00:15:23,490 just finished this crazy thought which is just as valid as any 272 00:15:23,490 --> 00:15:29,880 other crazy one. If you watch that movie is Trump through bar 273 00:15:29,970 --> 00:15:32,730 his new who as we know is not the Attorney General of the 274 00:15:32,730 --> 00:15:34,980 United States. He is the Attorney General for the 275 00:15:34,980 --> 00:15:39,180 president we've been told this over and over and over again. So 276 00:15:39,180 --> 00:15:43,050 I have to believe that now that he put out the secret signal and 277 00:15:43,050 --> 00:15:47,250 said i The time to off Epstein totally plausible and a very 278 00:15:47,250 --> 00:15:51,540 simple explanation. So I have compassion for people who 279 00:15:51,750 --> 00:15:54,660 believe conspiracy theories. I don't think this is the right 280 00:15:54,660 --> 00:15:57,300 one but I understand where people come from with this that 281 00:15:57,300 --> 00:15:57,570 if you 282 00:15:57,570 --> 00:16:00,360 John C. Dvorak: you know my my favorite one of these off the 283 00:16:00,360 --> 00:16:04,500 wall, kind of Occam's Razor things is Scott Adams, he just 284 00:16:04,500 --> 00:16:08,730 put this out recently. Oh, his comms razor was this bunch of 285 00:16:08,730 --> 00:16:11,610 incompetent boneheads running this prisons that guy kills 286 00:16:11,610 --> 00:16:12,210 himself. 287 00:16:13,020 --> 00:16:16,050 Adam Curry: And that's also a perfectly valid explanation. 288 00:16:16,530 --> 00:16:21,120 Yeah. I mean, I'm not buying it. But yeah, it's all of that. 289 00:16:21,150 --> 00:16:23,520 John C. Dvorak: Well, if it do, you'd be wouldn't be the no 290 00:16:23,520 --> 00:16:25,560 agenda show if we were buying any of this 291 00:16:25,560 --> 00:16:27,720 Adam Curry: stuff? No, of course not. But it's good to look at 292 00:16:27,720 --> 00:16:31,470 all aspects. Before we just decide to move on. The guy's not 293 00:16:31,470 --> 00:16:32,940 in the picture. He's gone. 294 00:16:33,540 --> 00:16:38,070 John C. Dvorak: So in July of this year, Amy Goodman 295 00:16:38,070 --> 00:16:41,970 interviewed Vicki ward. Ah, because for some unknown reason 296 00:16:41,970 --> 00:16:45,420 you've been having a or you've been condemning on Twitter? 297 00:16:45,450 --> 00:16:49,890 Well, I'll tell you shortly, while I'm sure you will. But in 298 00:16:49,890 --> 00:16:53,580 the I have four clips of divert mostly short, but the beginning 299 00:16:53,580 --> 00:16:56,910 clip, which doesn't really involve Vicki Ward, is the 300 00:16:56,910 --> 00:17:01,410 example that I have that tops Joy read, when we know that 301 00:17:01,410 --> 00:17:05,910 Trump hasn't spoken to Epstein for 15 years and maybe more in 302 00:17:05,910 --> 00:17:08,880 the last reference to him saying anything about Epstein is in 303 00:17:08,880 --> 00:17:14,820 2002. But yet, Amy really makes it sound like your best buds. 304 00:17:14,820 --> 00:17:15,420 Here it is. 305 00:17:15,450 --> 00:17:18,120 Unknown: Jeffrey Epstein has counted precedents Donald Trump 306 00:17:18,120 --> 00:17:21,360 and Bill Clinton among his friends, they've flown with him. 307 00:17:21,690 --> 00:17:26,160 Trump told New York Magazine in 2002. I've known Jeff for 15 308 00:17:26,160 --> 00:17:29,400 years terrific guy. He's a lot of fun to be with. It's even 309 00:17:29,400 --> 00:17:32,220 said that he likes beautiful women as much as I do, and many 310 00:17:32,220 --> 00:17:35,520 of them are on the younger side, Trump said about his friend 311 00:17:35,520 --> 00:17:38,130 Jeffrey Epstein. Again, this was before all the charges were 312 00:17:38,130 --> 00:17:38,490 brought. 313 00:17:40,410 --> 00:17:43,530 John C. Dvorak: About his friend Jeffrey Epstein has done they're 314 00:17:43,530 --> 00:17:50,010 like Bosom Buddies. This is a classic example of of Amy's 315 00:17:50,040 --> 00:17:53,910 bigotry. When it comes to reporting on Trump. I mean, this 316 00:17:53,910 --> 00:17:55,140 is unconscionable. 317 00:17:55,980 --> 00:17:59,130 Adam Curry: It's, you can call it bad reporting. You can call 318 00:17:59,130 --> 00:18:04,830 it why. Sorry. You can call it bad reporting. You can call it 319 00:18:04,830 --> 00:18:08,040 lying. You can call it framing you can call anything but 320 00:18:08,040 --> 00:18:09,270 objective reporting. 321 00:18:09,720 --> 00:18:14,280 John C. Dvorak: Yeah, that was just to me, is why Amy Goodman 322 00:18:14,280 --> 00:18:18,210 is not really in should not even be considered a journalist. 323 00:18:19,200 --> 00:18:22,380 Anyway, okay. So why don't you begin? I have, 324 00:18:22,440 --> 00:18:27,000 Adam Curry: oh, let me tell you about Vicki ward. I got turned 325 00:18:27,000 --> 00:18:31,560 on to the Vicki. I heard Vicki Ward as she started to pop up on 326 00:18:31,950 --> 00:18:34,980 some I'm always watching MSNBC and stuff during the day. But 327 00:18:34,980 --> 00:18:38,280 she was popping up on CNN. In fact, she got hired by CNN just 328 00:18:38,280 --> 00:18:42,000 a few weeks ago. And then I started to find interviews of 329 00:18:42,000 --> 00:18:46,710 her talking about how she wrote the initial x was a in 2002 or 330 00:18:46,710 --> 00:18:53,700 2003 for Vanity Fair, I believe was Vanity Fair. And she went to 331 00:18:53,700 --> 00:18:55,950 her editor and her editor said all you got to take all this 332 00:18:55,950 --> 00:18:59,730 underage girl shit out. This is no good. It's just hearsay. This 333 00:18:59,730 --> 00:19:03,450 is her story. So became much more of a profile of financial 334 00:19:03,450 --> 00:19:09,360 profile of, of Epstein. And now she's saying, Well, I warned you 335 00:19:09,360 --> 00:19:12,120 all about it. And I think there was a couple things she wrote in 336 00:19:12,120 --> 00:19:17,130 2008 2009. When that when the really light sentence came down 337 00:19:17,160 --> 00:19:21,240 on Epstein. And as I'm searching around, and this is probably the 338 00:19:21,240 --> 00:19:26,610 same time I found amazing, Polly, I see her as, like an IT 339 00:19:26,610 --> 00:19:32,490 girl in in New York, high society, tight parties. And 340 00:19:32,490 --> 00:19:35,400 she's always hanging out with Jill just Layne Maxwell even 341 00:19:35,430 --> 00:19:39,510 though she's very condemning of Maxwell of she's les Maxwell and 342 00:19:39,510 --> 00:19:42,510 all these interviews that she's been doing, you know, since 343 00:19:42,810 --> 00:19:47,820 2009. And since she had written about Epstein and everything 344 00:19:47,820 --> 00:19:50,400 that happened, and like, well, what is she doing palling 345 00:19:50,400 --> 00:19:55,620 around? Is this kind of weird so when she tweeted yesterday Oh, 346 00:19:55,620 --> 00:19:59,850 don't worry, just lay Maxwell knows more like What up girl you 347 00:19:59,850 --> 00:20:02,550 know I heard you're partying with her, you're pretending that 348 00:20:02,550 --> 00:20:05,070 your buddies were there. So you tell me what's going on? Of 349 00:20:05,070 --> 00:20:07,530 course, she doesn't answer because I'm just a crackpot 350 00:20:07,530 --> 00:20:11,640 blowing in the wind. And I think that's what I saw more 351 00:20:12,930 --> 00:20:16,470 background, I've got some background from, from the poly 352 00:20:16,470 --> 00:20:19,860 videos. And I find her to be a very interesting character. She 353 00:20:19,860 --> 00:20:23,130 doesn't seem to have any real background yet. She's written 354 00:20:23,130 --> 00:20:26,610 books about Wall Street fraud and all kinds of interesting 355 00:20:26,610 --> 00:20:36,120 topics. And her, I guess it is her ex husband. His I think his 356 00:20:36,120 --> 00:20:42,210 boss, her ex husband's boss was Maxwell's nephew or something, 357 00:20:42,210 --> 00:20:44,160 because that's like it, there's a connection there. There's 358 00:20:44,160 --> 00:20:48,030 always there's always a part, you know, they always have a 359 00:20:48,030 --> 00:20:50,790 connection from one to the next, you know, and so that's why I 360 00:20:50,790 --> 00:20:53,820 kind of leave it to the YouTubers to do all that. But 361 00:20:53,820 --> 00:20:56,940 Vicky Ward is a person of interest to me. And I hope you 362 00:20:56,940 --> 00:20:58,290 have some interesting things. 363 00:20:59,129 --> 00:21:01,619 John C. Dvorak: Well, first of all, I I saw what you were 364 00:21:01,619 --> 00:21:05,339 doing, and so I did my I immediately went to work. 365 00:21:06,600 --> 00:21:08,430 Adam Curry: I'm glad I could inspire you 366 00:21:09,120 --> 00:21:10,140 John C. Dvorak: been suckered? 367 00:21:13,140 --> 00:21:15,930 Adam Curry: You fell into my trap looking for Vicky Ward? No, 368 00:21:15,930 --> 00:21:16,260 I'm sure. 369 00:21:16,830 --> 00:21:18,720 John C. Dvorak: It's quite possible. That actually did 370 00:21:18,720 --> 00:21:23,130 happen. All right. Vicki Ward is a very transparent character. 371 00:21:23,130 --> 00:21:26,730 She goes back into the 90s. And she's always been a very 372 00:21:28,410 --> 00:21:32,220 extremely accomplished writer, and something of a workaholic 373 00:21:32,220 --> 00:21:35,310 and so she's great and but she doesn't crank out enough so many 374 00:21:35,310 --> 00:21:38,940 books and enough books with enough inside scoop to make me 375 00:21:38,940 --> 00:21:43,650 think that in any way. She's mi six, which is what the amazing 376 00:21:43,650 --> 00:21:47,340 Polly implies, which is bullshit. There's no way. I went 377 00:21:47,340 --> 00:21:51,600 back and listen to her. She's been on TV a lot. I'll give you 378 00:21:51,600 --> 00:21:54,690 her whole story. She started she grew graduate from Cambridge and 379 00:21:54,690 --> 00:21:57,240 she was wanted to become a journalist. She became a 380 00:21:57,870 --> 00:22:01,260 newspaper writer in London for the I think the daily standard. 381 00:22:01,260 --> 00:22:03,990 The Telegraph, there's she bounced around, became an editor 382 00:22:03,990 --> 00:22:07,170 for a while she's very good at what she did. And she married 383 00:22:07,170 --> 00:22:13,530 this guy for and she writes a very long essay on her divorce 384 00:22:13,890 --> 00:22:19,590 that ran in 2011. She married this guy who should probably 385 00:22:19,590 --> 00:22:21,990 shouldn't be married and they never got along and they were 386 00:22:21,990 --> 00:22:26,700 pretty much separated by by 2011 when they finally got divorced, 387 00:22:27,270 --> 00:22:30,690 and he's the one who drugged her out of England because he's a 388 00:22:30,990 --> 00:22:33,120 nephew of Conrad black and 389 00:22:33,270 --> 00:22:35,550 Adam Curry: black. That's right. Not Maxwell black. Yes, I'm 390 00:22:35,550 --> 00:22:35,940 sorry. 391 00:22:36,750 --> 00:22:39,690 John C. Dvorak: Yes, Conrad black. He said Come on, kid. You 392 00:22:39,690 --> 00:22:42,330 had joined my operation out here. I'm in Canada in the 393 00:22:42,330 --> 00:22:44,850 United States has moved and they've made a bad move to New 394 00:22:44,850 --> 00:22:47,310 York. She didn't want to do it. She moved to New York, but 395 00:22:47,310 --> 00:22:51,570 because of her and she met if she's anything if you want to 396 00:22:51,570 --> 00:22:54,120 say she's something odd she might be a lizard. 397 00:22:54,150 --> 00:22:58,740 Adam Curry: Can I can I can I just interject one crazy yarn 398 00:22:58,740 --> 00:23:03,270 connecting conspiracy datapoint tour, con Conrad black about a 399 00:23:03,270 --> 00:23:08,340 month ago, maybe six weeks ago, was pardoned by President Trump. 400 00:23:08,970 --> 00:23:11,490 Right. That was 401 00:23:11,520 --> 00:23:14,190 John C. Dvorak: interesting. Red Black was that was interesting 402 00:23:14,190 --> 00:23:17,370 railroaded. Anyway, so doesn't matter should have been 403 00:23:17,370 --> 00:23:17,760 pardoned. 404 00:23:17,909 --> 00:23:19,829 Adam Curry: All of a sudden, it's just the timing of it is 405 00:23:19,829 --> 00:23:22,169 always fun. Well, her relationship 406 00:23:22,170 --> 00:23:24,210 John C. Dvorak: to Conrad Black was dubious because she never 407 00:23:24,210 --> 00:23:27,720 worked for any magazines that I know of. She may I know she may 408 00:23:27,720 --> 00:23:31,500 have worked for the post for a while. And then she quit. But 409 00:23:31,740 --> 00:23:34,710 she comes over here and she she kind of because she's got a 410 00:23:34,710 --> 00:23:38,310 British. She's British. And she kept her accent. She never even 411 00:23:38,340 --> 00:23:42,210 tried to get rid of it. She became one of the one of the 412 00:23:42,210 --> 00:23:47,190 many British women over here that are that fit right into the 413 00:23:47,190 --> 00:23:51,210 upper classes structure. Check. She wrote a whole book on the 414 00:23:51,210 --> 00:23:57,180 astor's or these long article. And she fit right in, she has 415 00:23:57,180 --> 00:24:02,160 the look, she has the perfect kind of a dead socialite Look. 416 00:24:02,190 --> 00:24:05,340 Adam Curry: She's also she up until recently, she had a 417 00:24:05,340 --> 00:24:09,240 nonprofit that worked with the United Nations. And she's in all 418 00:24:09,240 --> 00:24:12,810 kinds of just like Angelina Jolie's special United Nations 419 00:24:12,810 --> 00:24:16,770 programs. And there's the woman who's the direct descendant of 420 00:24:16,770 --> 00:24:19,860 Queen Victoria, who's on her board, and she's really in the 421 00:24:19,860 --> 00:24:20,940 British society. 422 00:24:21,300 --> 00:24:24,030 John C. Dvorak: But it's not the British society. It's the 423 00:24:24,030 --> 00:24:28,110 American American British side. Yes, the outcome of our social 424 00:24:28,110 --> 00:24:30,750 thing and the British are so welcome because they fit right 425 00:24:30,750 --> 00:24:36,510 in. And even though in Britain, she was a newspaper girl. She 426 00:24:36,510 --> 00:24:38,880 did a bunch of books and they're all the books tend to be 427 00:24:39,360 --> 00:24:42,390 celebrities. You really, if anything, is a celebrity 428 00:24:42,390 --> 00:24:46,290 reporter. She roamed in and out of various kinds of, you know, 429 00:24:46,290 --> 00:24:50,580 celebrities circles, and met a lot of people and she would run 430 00:24:50,580 --> 00:24:54,420 into julaine. Just Layne Maxwell numerous times, but she wasn't 431 00:24:54,420 --> 00:24:58,830 hanging out with her. There's no evidence of that. And there's 432 00:24:58,890 --> 00:25:02,490 some mi six connection that happened in 2011 According to 433 00:25:02,550 --> 00:25:05,880 amazing Polly but she was long not even associating with her 434 00:25:05,880 --> 00:25:11,340 husband by that time very well described in her discussion in 435 00:25:11,340 --> 00:25:15,840 the in the madmen the magazine article that she wrote for The 436 00:25:15,840 --> 00:25:20,100 Daily Mail about her divorce so so what happens is this Jeffrey 437 00:25:20,100 --> 00:25:24,270 Epstein thing breaks and she did have a couple of pieces of about 438 00:25:24,270 --> 00:25:29,160 the girls in that article all of a sudden out of the blue now the 439 00:25:29,160 --> 00:25:32,580 question in my mind is a she is so out of the blue she says why 440 00:25:32,580 --> 00:25:35,970 warned everybody she is something of a phony she's she's 441 00:25:35,970 --> 00:25:41,160 a she's kind of like a kitty Kelly type of writer who maybe 442 00:25:41,160 --> 00:25:46,110 makes things up now and again, very well structured writer. If 443 00:25:46,110 --> 00:25:49,530 she wanted to really bring out anything in 2003 when she ran 444 00:25:49,530 --> 00:25:52,920 that article, she could have shopped it someplace else. Else 445 00:25:52,920 --> 00:25:56,340 if she wanted to. She didn't know Ronan Farrow didn't put up 446 00:25:56,340 --> 00:26:01,110 with no for an answer over and over again. So she wasn't that 447 00:26:01,110 --> 00:26:04,410 serious about these. She had some information if 448 00:26:04,410 --> 00:26:08,460 Adam Curry: it radiance, if it was even true at all. Maybe not 449 00:26:08,460 --> 00:26:10,500 just her words, saying that they cut it out. 450 00:26:10,560 --> 00:26:13,440 John C. Dvorak: It's possible but Graydon Carter did come out 451 00:26:13,440 --> 00:26:17,700 with a statement. Okay. He says that that she wasn't a well 452 00:26:17,700 --> 00:26:20,400 presented and he just thought it should be cut out. So he did cut 453 00:26:20,400 --> 00:26:22,770 it out. So there's not she didn't make that up necessarily. 454 00:26:23,310 --> 00:26:27,240 But the circumstances of him cutting it out may have been due 455 00:26:27,240 --> 00:26:30,180 according to her when I have some clips are bitching about 456 00:26:30,180 --> 00:26:33,930 it, only now bitching about it? I think the following happened, 457 00:26:34,680 --> 00:26:37,770 personally from looking at her career and what kind of a writer 458 00:26:37,770 --> 00:26:40,770 she is and who she hangs out with and her celebrity status 459 00:26:40,770 --> 00:26:44,040 and a certain in that social structure that we had no 460 00:26:44,040 --> 00:26:47,220 nothing. We have no idea. Those things show up in town and 461 00:26:47,220 --> 00:26:50,910 country, the people that are these parties, those photos are 462 00:26:50,910 --> 00:26:54,990 all over the place. It's like the Palm Beach, Florida social 463 00:26:54,990 --> 00:26:57,810 set. I don't know who any of those people are, but they all 464 00:26:57,810 --> 00:27:02,190 seem to know each other. If I believe the following happening 465 00:27:02,190 --> 00:27:06,480 with her, no matter what everybody says. She wrote this 466 00:27:06,480 --> 00:27:10,290 piece on on Epstein. And she got some stuff that she had some 467 00:27:10,290 --> 00:27:14,310 hints about the 2002 piece in 2000. She wrote it to those two 468 00:27:14,310 --> 00:27:19,590 around in 2003. That was cut out was turned into a financial 469 00:27:19,590 --> 00:27:23,760 piece, which admits and it was seemed to be written that way to 470 00:27:23,760 --> 00:27:27,690 begin with. Des all of a sudden this thing breaks the Epstein 471 00:27:27,690 --> 00:27:32,610 stuff. And she says, and people have to say, Look, you did a 472 00:27:32,610 --> 00:27:37,350 whole piece on this guy. You've you know, this just Layne 473 00:27:37,350 --> 00:27:40,680 Maxwell. There's photos of her with you. What did you what, 474 00:27:40,710 --> 00:27:45,420 what? What? And so she's covering her ass? Yes. Just by 475 00:27:45,420 --> 00:27:48,120 saying Oh, yeah, well, I had this and I did. She was 476 00:27:48,120 --> 00:27:51,870 clueless. You said celebrity reporter. She didn't know that 477 00:27:51,870 --> 00:27:53,700 Epstein was running anything but 478 00:27:53,700 --> 00:27:58,740 Adam Curry: hold on when I so all I'm saying is why would she 479 00:27:59,850 --> 00:28:04,800 10 Nine years after the fact even want to be? Okay, so 480 00:28:04,830 --> 00:28:06,810 there's no evidence they were partying, but they were at the 481 00:28:06,810 --> 00:28:09,630 same parties and taking pictures together. I know how it works. 482 00:28:09,630 --> 00:28:11,670 The photographer comes by said, Hey, take a picture because 483 00:28:11,670 --> 00:28:14,190 you're talking. And then you almost know two or three people 484 00:28:14,190 --> 00:28:19,290 you stay. But why? Why if she knows all this, and I have a 485 00:28:19,290 --> 00:28:23,790 clip from her, just yesterday. She shared She sure did. Then in 486 00:28:23,790 --> 00:28:28,290 2011 2014. There's pictures of her with Maxwell. Of course, she 487 00:28:28,290 --> 00:28:30,990 knew that. Then she writes about it. 488 00:28:32,400 --> 00:28:35,370 John C. Dvorak: She writes about everything after the fact the 489 00:28:35,400 --> 00:28:40,320 issue here is what happened in 2003. Where she where she got 490 00:28:40,320 --> 00:28:42,390 her piece was like no, so 491 00:28:42,450 --> 00:28:48,090 Adam Curry: I'll be quiet. But I disagree. In 2009 She definitely 492 00:28:48,090 --> 00:28:51,990 knew that Maxwell was involved because that's in the document. 493 00:28:51,990 --> 00:28:56,340 She you know, all of the accomplices were protected by 494 00:28:56,340 --> 00:28:59,760 the deal that was signed. She knew it in 2009 like everybody 495 00:28:59,760 --> 00:29:05,760 else. That's my point yet I love 2011 2014 She's taken pictures 496 00:29:05,760 --> 00:29:11,250 whether that's my point. She knew it in 2009. We knew it in 497 00:29:11,250 --> 00:29:14,010 2000 it was it's been in the press since 2009. 498 00:29:14,040 --> 00:29:16,800 John C. Dvorak: Well, okay, we knew in 2009 She knew in 2000 So 499 00:29:16,800 --> 00:29:19,350 what what does that got to do with her being a bad actor mi 500 00:29:19,350 --> 00:29:19,980 six. 501 00:29:20,010 --> 00:29:21,870 Adam Curry: I didn't say that. But no, that's 502 00:29:21,870 --> 00:29:24,810 John C. Dvorak: what your your buddy famous, Polly said. 503 00:29:25,260 --> 00:29:28,380 Adam Curry: But I didn't say that. I'm talking. I'm just 504 00:29:28,380 --> 00:29:29,790 going for simple stuff. 505 00:29:31,140 --> 00:29:33,840 John C. Dvorak: Let's go to amazing Polly, and to talk 506 00:29:33,840 --> 00:29:37,170 Unknown: about what led up to Epstein's most recent arrest. 507 00:29:38,340 --> 00:29:39,360 Adam Curry: Actually, sorry. 508 00:29:40,380 --> 00:29:43,260 John C. Dvorak: Stay with that Amy interviews Ward two okay to 509 00:29:43,260 --> 00:29:43,950 talk about 510 00:29:43,950 --> 00:29:47,130 Unknown: what led up to Epstein's most recent arrest and 511 00:29:47,130 --> 00:29:49,710 what comes next we're joined by Vicki Ward, an investigative 512 00:29:49,710 --> 00:29:53,130 journalist who profiled Jeffrey Epstein for Vanity Fair in 2003. 513 00:29:53,430 --> 00:29:56,280 And a piece headlined The Talented Mr. Epstein, the 514 00:29:56,280 --> 00:29:59,040 magazine's editor at the time Graydon Carter. Cut out the 515 00:29:59,040 --> 00:30:02,610 testimonies of Two young women, Epstein allegedly molested who 516 00:30:02,610 --> 00:30:07,230 had spoken toward on the record one of them underage Ward wrote 517 00:30:07,230 --> 00:30:11,430 about what happened with her. Epstein reporting for The Daily 518 00:30:11,430 --> 00:30:14,550 Beast in an article headlined, I tried to warn you about sleazy 519 00:30:14,550 --> 00:30:17,760 billionaire Jeffrey Epstein in 2003. Welcome back to Democracy 520 00:30:17,760 --> 00:30:20,640 Now. It's great to have you with us, Becky. Thanks. So for people 521 00:30:20,640 --> 00:30:23,430 who do not understand who this man is, you refer to his 522 00:30:23,430 --> 00:30:28,170 billionaire hedge fund manager, Jeffrey Epstein, who is he and 523 00:30:28,170 --> 00:30:31,800 what do you believe he is being charged with right now the 524 00:30:31,980 --> 00:30:34,110 indictment is about to be opened. 525 00:30:34,830 --> 00:30:41,370 So I don't think he's a hedge fund manager. He is certainly 526 00:30:41,370 --> 00:30:47,850 very wealthy. There's great mystery as to how he actually 527 00:30:47,850 --> 00:30:54,210 made his money. He tells people that he advises he takes a 528 00:30:54,210 --> 00:30:58,680 percentage and he advises billionaires only. I won't take 529 00:30:58,680 --> 00:31:02,700 anyone poor Than A Billionaire. And he takes a cut, which adds 530 00:31:02,700 --> 00:31:07,590 up to a lot of money. This this when I investigated him in 2002. 531 00:31:08,370 --> 00:31:14,700 really turned out to be untrue. What was interesting was that 532 00:31:14,700 --> 00:31:20,370 the man who claimed to have sort of taught Jeffrey many financial 533 00:31:20,370 --> 00:31:24,780 tricks, and who claims to this day that Jeffrey has his money 534 00:31:24,780 --> 00:31:27,750 as a gentleman by the name of Steve Hoffenberg, who went to 535 00:31:27,750 --> 00:31:34,230 jail for 20 years for committing the biggest Ponzi scheme pre 536 00:31:34,230 --> 00:31:37,410 Bernie Madoff. Okay, 537 00:31:37,889 --> 00:31:39,839 John C. Dvorak: I didn't even know about that. So she had that 538 00:31:39,839 --> 00:31:43,439 uncovered. Which doesn't surprise me it gets go to clip 539 00:31:43,439 --> 00:31:43,799 to 540 00:31:44,129 --> 00:31:47,339 Unknown: Tiki Ward, you were doing the first pieces back into 541 00:31:47,339 --> 00:31:49,709 this, like how old are your twin daughters right now? 542 00:31:50,100 --> 00:31:52,650 Twins on 16 2016 543 00:31:52,650 --> 00:31:56,040 years old. So that is very significant. Because you were 544 00:31:56,040 --> 00:31:59,430 pregnant at the time you were doing this piece? Yes. Can you 545 00:31:59,460 --> 00:32:04,980 describe what happened to you? When you wrote the speech? You 546 00:32:04,980 --> 00:32:06,360 spoke to Jeffrey Epstein 547 00:32:06,389 --> 00:32:10,889 multiple times, multiple times, he wheeled out, you know all 548 00:32:10,889 --> 00:32:15,509 these important bankers and academics and finances to talk 549 00:32:15,509 --> 00:32:18,899 to me and he would call me all the time, but he would threaten 550 00:32:18,899 --> 00:32:22,229 me, he would talk and then he would say, you know, Vicki, if I 551 00:32:22,229 --> 00:32:28,169 don't like this piece, you know, something's gonna happen to your 552 00:32:28,169 --> 00:32:34,289 unborn children. You know, and he would sort of say it in it, 553 00:32:34,289 --> 00:32:38,609 you know, lightly. But, you know, I went to the magazines 554 00:32:38,609 --> 00:32:41,399 General Counsel at that you actually put security on them in 555 00:32:41,399 --> 00:32:45,119 the NICU. And then when they came early, he had asked me What 556 00:32:45,119 --> 00:32:48,209 hospital they were going to be born at. So I actually did put 557 00:32:48,209 --> 00:32:50,879 security on them. They were born two months prematurely. 558 00:32:53,130 --> 00:32:56,970 John C. Dvorak: So that was kind of creepy. Yes. And so then we 559 00:32:56,970 --> 00:33:00,060 go to the last part where she discusses the Graydon Carter. 560 00:33:02,040 --> 00:33:02,790 Incident 561 00:33:02,850 --> 00:33:07,590 Unknown: closable he had his girlfriend, Glenn Maxwell, who 562 00:33:07,620 --> 00:33:11,520 very charming well educated British sort of socialite around 563 00:33:11,520 --> 00:33:11,850 New York, 564 00:33:11,850 --> 00:33:15,000 very significant shoes, the daughter of Robert Glover, owner 565 00:33:15,000 --> 00:33:16,020 of The New York Daily News. 566 00:33:16,050 --> 00:33:20,310 So Glenn was the one who phoned this these young woman's mother 567 00:33:20,310 --> 00:33:25,260 to reassure her how safe they would be. And because of course, 568 00:33:25,260 --> 00:33:30,480 the poor mother now blames herself terribly. For what 569 00:33:30,840 --> 00:33:35,310 happened. And, you know, I talked to there are numerous 570 00:33:35,310 --> 00:33:39,150 people, the artists, Eric Fischl was a friend of the older 571 00:33:39,150 --> 00:33:39,660 daughters. 572 00:33:40,950 --> 00:33:43,230 John C. Dvorak: Yeah. Couple of things you uh, you want to back 573 00:33:43,230 --> 00:33:43,830 up? Where's 574 00:33:44,910 --> 00:33:47,040 Adam Curry: where she in the timeline, by the way, okay. 575 00:33:47,040 --> 00:33:49,740 John C. Dvorak: She said a timeline of two girls who, who 576 00:33:49,740 --> 00:33:53,070 Epstein was was assault. They were younger, that wanted to go 577 00:33:53,070 --> 00:33:57,750 to college, and he was going to pay for their college and just 578 00:33:57,750 --> 00:34:02,010 lane. He went, but he hid they had to move in and do stuff to 579 00:34:02,010 --> 00:34:06,780 him. And TJ's Lane was the the salesperson who taught the moms 580 00:34:06,780 --> 00:34:07,380 into letting his 581 00:34:07,410 --> 00:34:09,540 Adam Curry: right but when when did that happen? When did she 582 00:34:09,540 --> 00:34:11,580 know about it? That's all I'm curious about is that 583 00:34:12,270 --> 00:34:15,240 John C. Dvorak: this is right from the 2003 era. Okay, yeah. 584 00:34:15,270 --> 00:34:18,420 Okay. So she, she so this was the so she knew back then 585 00:34:18,420 --> 00:34:23,280 supposedly that she has a tell I think, is she there's some stuff 586 00:34:23,280 --> 00:34:26,760 I think she's she's in the same category again as kitty Kelly 587 00:34:26,760 --> 00:34:30,060 and some of these other Michael Wolf is in this category of very 588 00:34:30,060 --> 00:34:36,390 famous kind of celebrity writers who do make it known to make 589 00:34:36,390 --> 00:34:38,850 stuff up. Michael Wolfe has got all these Trump books a lot of 590 00:34:38,850 --> 00:34:44,190 this stuff is bullshit. Yeah. Yes, if not all of it, but that 591 00:34:44,220 --> 00:34:49,350 Vicki's in the same category of writer and I think her tell is 592 00:34:49,350 --> 00:34:53,070 the use of the word and twice in a row instead of saying and she 593 00:34:53,070 --> 00:34:57,450 says and and we're interested I think two or three times in the 594 00:34:57,450 --> 00:34:57,810 piece 595 00:34:57,840 --> 00:35:03,150 Unknown: friend Gila Maxwell, who very charming, well educated 596 00:35:03,150 --> 00:35:06,330 British sort of socialite, around your very significant 597 00:35:06,330 --> 00:35:09,330 shoes, the daughter of Robert, owner of The New York Daily 598 00:35:09,330 --> 00:35:09,660 News. 599 00:35:09,690 --> 00:35:13,980 So Glenn was the one who found this, these young woman's mother 600 00:35:13,980 --> 00:35:18,930 to reassure her how safe they would be. And because of course, 601 00:35:18,930 --> 00:35:24,120 the poor mother now blames herself terribly for what 602 00:35:24,480 --> 00:35:29,220 happened. And, you know, I talked to them, numerous people, 603 00:35:29,220 --> 00:35:33,390 the artists, Eric Fischl, was a friend of the older daughters. 604 00:35:34,320 --> 00:35:37,950 They all verified they remembered them to help these 605 00:35:37,980 --> 00:35:41,700 two women recounting their trauma at the time. So brave, 606 00:35:41,700 --> 00:35:45,510 we'll go through this and then to suddenly find at the 11th 607 00:35:45,540 --> 00:35:51,690 hour that somehow Jeffrey got to the editor of the magazine. This 608 00:35:51,690 --> 00:35:52,950 story was being pulled 609 00:35:52,950 --> 00:35:57,120 I registering and he came into Conde Nast offices. He came 610 00:35:57,120 --> 00:36:01,440 in, I had had no I was not told about this, he came in. He had a 611 00:36:01,440 --> 00:36:04,440 private meeting with the magazine's then editor Graydon 612 00:36:04,440 --> 00:36:09,900 Carter, after which, I was informed, that graden believed 613 00:36:09,930 --> 00:36:13,380 Jeffrey Epstein I was told that Jeffrey Epstein had told graden 614 00:36:14,070 --> 00:36:18,000 that he was quote unquote, sensitive about the women. And 615 00:36:18,000 --> 00:36:21,000 so they would be pulled from the story. So now be a business 616 00:36:21,030 --> 00:36:27,840 story. And a business that was a business story that explained 617 00:36:27,840 --> 00:36:31,050 that Jeffrey Epstein was not who he claimed to be in his 618 00:36:31,050 --> 00:36:37,200 professional life. But but the very powerful, awful stories of 619 00:36:37,200 --> 00:36:40,920 what happened to these women got taken out which and and 620 00:36:40,980 --> 00:36:44,580 I and these girls, are they involved? 621 00:36:44,850 --> 00:36:48,990 Adam Curry: The the tell was after she lies. That's the way 622 00:36:48,990 --> 00:36:50,550 I'm reading it. Which 623 00:36:50,580 --> 00:36:52,560 John C. Dvorak: I can't say for sure, one way or the other. I 624 00:36:52,560 --> 00:36:55,290 mean, there's some truth in whatever she's talking about. I 625 00:36:55,290 --> 00:36:59,850 think she's maybe, you know, for example, the Graydon Carter 626 00:36:59,850 --> 00:37:02,850 story itself, which may be worthy and and comes from 627 00:37:02,850 --> 00:37:03,570 afterwards. 628 00:37:03,660 --> 00:37:05,850 Adam Curry: Yeah, that's that's kind of what I thought, that's 629 00:37:05,850 --> 00:37:08,130 kind of kind of halide very dubious 630 00:37:08,130 --> 00:37:11,850 John C. Dvorak: into her party card or is considered one of the 631 00:37:11,850 --> 00:37:14,640 greatest editors in the history of magazine. Oh, well, 632 00:37:14,640 --> 00:37:16,320 Adam Curry: that's suspicious right there, then. 633 00:37:19,020 --> 00:37:22,020 John C. Dvorak: Wow, this is not susceptible to pressure. There 634 00:37:22,770 --> 00:37:25,530 was some reports, just the story. She's telling me he's not 635 00:37:25,530 --> 00:37:28,980 actually accurate. And Epstein didn't show up to talk to 636 00:37:28,980 --> 00:37:33,150 Carter. He showed up with it with a bunch of high powered 637 00:37:33,150 --> 00:37:37,020 lawyers telling him look, you can run this if you want, but 638 00:37:37,020 --> 00:37:39,960 you're going to be sued out of existence as a magazine. And I 639 00:37:39,960 --> 00:37:44,100 don't think your bosses at vanity at Conde Nast are going 640 00:37:44,100 --> 00:37:47,100 to be too appreciative of the kinds of troubles you're gonna 641 00:37:47,100 --> 00:37:48,840 cause if you run this piece, and 642 00:37:48,870 --> 00:37:51,690 Adam Curry: so much for being one so much for being one of the 643 00:37:51,690 --> 00:37:54,210 best editors. What kind of pushy editor is that 644 00:37:54,540 --> 00:37:57,750 Unknown: guy who's smart. Let's listen to her 645 00:37:57,810 --> 00:37:58,530 Adam Curry: tell again. 646 00:37:59,100 --> 00:38:03,900 Unknown: But but the very powerful, awful stories of what 647 00:38:03,900 --> 00:38:07,860 happened to these women got taken out which and and I and 648 00:38:07,860 --> 00:38:08,160 these 649 00:38:08,160 --> 00:38:13,710 girls, are they involved with the case that's being open today 650 00:38:13,710 --> 00:38:15,660 where he's being brought into Manhattan court? 651 00:38:16,380 --> 00:38:21,390 I don't know I have heard it. I have not confirmed that. I have. 652 00:38:21,840 --> 00:38:26,520 One sources told me that possibly they are. Which 653 00:38:26,520 --> 00:38:31,410 obviously, which for me would be 16 years later, 16 years later, 654 00:38:31,410 --> 00:38:34,950 because one of the things that has haunted me is that there I 655 00:38:34,950 --> 00:38:41,760 was trying to expose this man in 2003 and the original, the first 656 00:38:41,760 --> 00:38:47,400 FBI investigation, the one that got neutered by Alexander Acosta 657 00:38:47,700 --> 00:38:52,890 didn't begin until 2006. So it's always been on my conscience, 658 00:38:53,190 --> 00:38:59,130 that for three years, he molested hundreds of sort of 659 00:38:59,130 --> 00:39:04,110 helpless, poor women who were in no position to fight back 660 00:39:04,110 --> 00:39:04,740 against him. 661 00:39:04,860 --> 00:39:06,690 Adam Curry: I just want to go back to because you made a 662 00:39:06,780 --> 00:39:09,930 pretty interesting statement. That Graydon Carter is one of 663 00:39:09,930 --> 00:39:13,500 the great ALL TIME magazine editors I'm paraphrasing but 664 00:39:13,500 --> 00:39:17,220 that's how it came across. Should this guy not be hanging 665 00:39:17,220 --> 00:39:21,030 his head in shame for rejecting one of the biggest stories of 666 00:39:21,030 --> 00:39:24,690 our lifetime? should not be taken down a notch or 667 00:39:24,690 --> 00:39:27,750 John C. Dvorak: two. It was his comment. No, not necessarily. 668 00:39:27,840 --> 00:39:30,990 Because he wrote it down. I like that list. It's rock solid. 669 00:39:33,330 --> 00:39:35,610 Adam Curry: Well, I'd never saw the original so I don't know. 670 00:39:35,910 --> 00:39:39,720 John C. Dvorak: Well, he didn't she wrote it and I wonder if it 671 00:39:39,720 --> 00:39:43,440 was rock solid. His claim is simple. To story was not rock 672 00:39:43,440 --> 00:39:47,100 solid. And it when you're an editor at that level with a 673 00:39:47,100 --> 00:39:50,670 magazine at this which is a high paying magazine, I mean this is 674 00:39:50,670 --> 00:39:55,770 not this is the big leagues is the major leagues. Everything 675 00:39:55,770 --> 00:39:58,710 has to be pretty much batten down. The hatches have to be 676 00:39:58,710 --> 00:40:01,050 batten down. You can't put anything out there that is going 677 00:40:01,050 --> 00:40:02,190 to so cause? 678 00:40:02,400 --> 00:40:07,020 Adam Curry: Did Amy try to move this towards someone else? Did 679 00:40:07,020 --> 00:40:09,120 she try to pin it on Trump while she was having this 680 00:40:09,120 --> 00:40:13,620 John C. Dvorak: conversation? She but yeah, it's Trump wanting 681 00:40:13,620 --> 00:40:15,510 to make sure Trump was actually the editor, 682 00:40:15,540 --> 00:40:18,120 Adam Curry: I want to make sure it's Democracy Now we're 683 00:40:18,120 --> 00:40:22,620 listening to and not some fake program. All right. 684 00:40:23,459 --> 00:40:24,659 John C. Dvorak: So is that the end of that clip? 685 00:40:24,689 --> 00:40:30,329 Adam Curry: Yes, I have a a. And, and a, I have a current 686 00:40:30,329 --> 00:40:34,289 clip from Vicki Ward, who is now a correspondent from July of 687 00:40:34,289 --> 00:40:37,589 this year, right. But I have one from, like this morning. 688 00:40:38,490 --> 00:40:42,630 Unknown: And now what has led to these charges of sex 689 00:40:42,720 --> 00:40:46,890 trafficking, you know, of teenagers. This is part of that 690 00:40:46,890 --> 00:40:48,300 big network. 691 00:40:49,020 --> 00:40:52,470 It is part of the big network. And I think you know, Frederica, 692 00:40:52,470 --> 00:40:58,230 that what? So what had so many people interested in on the edge 693 00:40:58,230 --> 00:41:02,280 of their seats about this? What would have been Jeffrey 694 00:41:02,280 --> 00:41:06,840 Epstein's trial? But that still really matters is the trial, if 695 00:41:06,840 --> 00:41:09,720 you like of the ecosystem, because don't forget the 696 00:41:09,720 --> 00:41:14,580 original indictment talked about a conspiracy. There have been 697 00:41:14,700 --> 00:41:18,930 many other important powerful names brought up in connection 698 00:41:18,930 --> 00:41:22,560 with this case, former President Bill Clinton, the lawyer, Alan 699 00:41:22,560 --> 00:41:27,330 Dershowitz, the financier, Leon black, les Wexner. And the 700 00:41:27,360 --> 00:41:31,440 retailer last week saying, you know, I gave Jeffrey Jeffrey 701 00:41:31,440 --> 00:41:36,060 Epstein power of attorney, but I discovered in 2007, he stole 702 00:41:36,060 --> 00:41:39,750 millions and millions from from me, but in which But it begs the 703 00:41:39,750 --> 00:41:43,740 question, then why did Leslie Wexner not go to the authorities 704 00:41:43,740 --> 00:41:49,620 that, and I think that all but the fact that the case, still is 705 00:41:49,620 --> 00:41:54,120 going to sort of go forward means that, that all the people 706 00:41:54,120 --> 00:42:00,300 connected to it, after all, it was a conspiracy. should still 707 00:42:00,330 --> 00:42:00,720 back that 708 00:42:00,720 --> 00:42:03,210 Adam Curry: up for a second. There's been no official word 709 00:42:03,210 --> 00:42:06,180 that the case is go this was yesterday, no official word, the 710 00:42:06,180 --> 00:42:09,120 cases going forward, she states out as fact fact 711 00:42:09,120 --> 00:42:13,410 Unknown: that the case still is going to sort of go forward 712 00:42:14,010 --> 00:42:18,450 means that that all the people connected to it, after all, it 713 00:42:18,450 --> 00:42:24,270 was a conspiracy. should still think that they're going to be 714 00:42:24,270 --> 00:42:24,810 questioned 715 00:42:24,840 --> 00:42:28,620 while the attorney as some of the attorneys for these accusers 716 00:42:28,620 --> 00:42:31,440 have said that even in his death, they will continue to 717 00:42:31,440 --> 00:42:37,080 pursue avenues to find those responsible, whether there are 718 00:42:37,080 --> 00:42:39,990 co conspirators you mentioned you know, Maxwell, whose name 719 00:42:40,140 --> 00:42:47,280 you know, appears but that this case is not dead because Jeffrey 720 00:42:47,280 --> 00:42:47,850 Epstein 721 00:42:47,880 --> 00:42:51,870 Adam Curry: is telling us to say something. I'm this reading it 722 00:42:51,870 --> 00:42:55,410 now. You can hear. This is Frederica Wilson. I think, 723 00:42:55,410 --> 00:42:59,400 Frederica Wilson. I think it was named on CNN. She's an airhead 724 00:42:59,490 --> 00:43:03,330 she you can hear them telling her what to say or not to say 725 00:43:03,569 --> 00:43:05,639 Unknown: they're a co conspirators you mentioned Dino 726 00:43:05,639 --> 00:43:10,079 Maxwell, whose name you know appears but that this case is 727 00:43:10,079 --> 00:43:16,499 not dead because Jeffrey Epstein is for now. Right Vicki Ward 728 00:43:19,140 --> 00:43:21,300 John C. Dvorak: Another thing you're noticing is that and I 729 00:43:21,300 --> 00:43:24,600 have a clip from Vicki Ward from 2007, which is the earliest 730 00:43:24,600 --> 00:43:29,550 thing I can find. She has developed this kind of social 731 00:43:29,550 --> 00:43:35,700 light stammering that apparently the reason she has it is because 732 00:43:35,700 --> 00:43:40,350 she caught it is like a disease. Because when you hear in 2007 733 00:43:40,350 --> 00:43:44,070 She doesn't have it. She has it now. And it's so contagious that 734 00:43:44,070 --> 00:43:48,150 this woman that is interviewing her is now picking it up. I'll 735 00:43:48,150 --> 00:43:49,770 play here she stammering 736 00:43:49,800 --> 00:43:51,540 Adam Curry: here's the 2007 clip. Let's 737 00:43:51,540 --> 00:43:55,140 Unknown: get a background first on Brooke Astor. Tell us a bit 738 00:43:55,140 --> 00:43:59,400 about who she is, is and how she became so wealthy and such a 739 00:43:59,400 --> 00:44:00,510 great philanthropist 740 00:44:00,900 --> 00:44:04,680 Bricasti came into her fortune, actually, almost by accident. 741 00:44:04,830 --> 00:44:09,420 She was married three times fast. Very unhappily. Next to 742 00:44:09,420 --> 00:44:14,040 the love of her life. A man named Buddy Marshall and her 743 00:44:14,040 --> 00:44:17,220 young son Tony from her first marriage actually took his 744 00:44:17,220 --> 00:44:21,210 stepfather's surname Tony Marshall. And when she was in 745 00:44:21,210 --> 00:44:25,110 her 40s, she found herself widowed and that was when she 746 00:44:25,110 --> 00:44:29,610 really got to know the very, very wealthy Vincent Astor, who 747 00:44:29,610 --> 00:44:33,960 was a grumpy, pretty miserable man. Their marriage lasted five 748 00:44:33,960 --> 00:44:39,330 years. And when Vince untasted died, two broadcasters enormous 749 00:44:39,330 --> 00:44:45,420 surprise, he left her all his money. And she said about 750 00:44:45,420 --> 00:44:49,230 carving a character for herself that really didn't exist before 751 00:44:49,290 --> 00:44:54,360 and hasn't existed since. She gave away more money to more 752 00:44:54,360 --> 00:44:59,460 charities than I think New York has ever seen. And she did so in 753 00:44:59,460 --> 00:45:02,490 a star Oh, that was unprecedented at unrivaled 754 00:45:02,580 --> 00:45:07,770 Adam Curry: Oh, where was the stammering none zero. Hmm, 755 00:45:08,280 --> 00:45:09,150 interesting. 756 00:45:09,449 --> 00:45:11,429 John C. Dvorak: Now another thing that does cause stammering 757 00:45:11,429 --> 00:45:16,769 is unsure unsure in this writing or lying or talking about 758 00:45:16,799 --> 00:45:20,309 something she knows the ASTER story and then went on NPR and 759 00:45:20,309 --> 00:45:24,479 just came right out of probably isn't No, I still think this is 760 00:45:24,479 --> 00:45:27,269 a covered that she wanted to reinsert herself into the story 761 00:45:27,269 --> 00:45:30,089 because she did write that piece in 2003. There's no doubt about 762 00:45:30,089 --> 00:45:33,689 it. There it is. But she's been kind of out of the picture 763 00:45:33,689 --> 00:45:37,169 regarding it. And now she gets it gets a gig on CNN and she 764 00:45:37,169 --> 00:45:39,509 gets herself back in the news. And she's floating around, she 765 00:45:39,509 --> 00:45:43,139 gets to promote her book, which her newest book, which is the 766 00:45:43,319 --> 00:45:47,249 Kushner Inc book, which is another kind of a slam against 767 00:45:47,249 --> 00:45:49,709 Jared Kushner and each she obviously I don't know if she's 768 00:45:49,709 --> 00:45:52,379 running into her New York in the party scene or whatever. She 769 00:45:52,379 --> 00:45:56,549 hates Ivanka. Whoo. Yeah, I do have a clip of that. But let's 770 00:45:56,549 --> 00:45:59,819 finish this this thing you've got where you get to stammering 771 00:45:59,819 --> 00:46:01,529 going back and forth every which way. 772 00:46:02,640 --> 00:46:05,910 Adam Curry: And it was over it was the end. Oh, it's over. Oh, 773 00:46:05,970 --> 00:46:07,140 I couldn't tell. Sorry. 774 00:46:10,050 --> 00:46:12,870 John C. Dvorak: Yeah, but here she is. This is 775 00:46:12,960 --> 00:46:16,470 Adam Curry: well, hold on one second home. So in the most 776 00:46:16,470 --> 00:46:19,710 recent report, she mentioned every other possible she keeps 777 00:46:19,710 --> 00:46:23,040 saying it's a conspiracy. This is a conspiracy. The fact that 778 00:46:23,070 --> 00:46:26,850 that the other people will be investigated. She states at US 779 00:46:26,850 --> 00:46:30,450 fact, then yeah, so I'm just saying she may be a great 780 00:46:30,450 --> 00:46:32,580 writer, but she's pretty shitty, because I don't I don't know 781 00:46:32,580 --> 00:46:36,840 about being a fact yet. Certainly not yesterday, and she 782 00:46:36,840 --> 00:46:42,540 doesn't mention Trump. Which is either a glaring mistake or 783 00:46:42,899 --> 00:46:45,569 John C. Dvorak: she's gonna get keep that gig on CNN. I bet 784 00:46:45,569 --> 00:46:47,369 she's not for more than six months. 785 00:46:48,000 --> 00:46:50,460 Adam Curry: If she if she's not talking about Trump being 786 00:46:50,460 --> 00:46:53,370 complicit, no, it's not going to work for her. And yet she 787 00:46:53,370 --> 00:46:57,930 doesn't. She does. So this book about Kushner Inc, which I have 788 00:46:57,930 --> 00:47:01,980 not read it I I've seen the cover. But I know what Kushner 789 00:47:01,980 --> 00:47:04,470 is doing with when read I don't know about anything else and 790 00:47:04,500 --> 00:47:08,640 except for all the stories. So she does not like Kushner and 791 00:47:08,670 --> 00:47:10,170 ignore Ivanka Kushner. 792 00:47:10,500 --> 00:47:13,680 John C. Dvorak: She doesn't like Ivanka mostly and I don't know. 793 00:47:13,740 --> 00:47:17,190 But you can tell it in her voice. She discusses this on 794 00:47:17,190 --> 00:47:20,700 MSNBC when they're talking about her book. And you can tell it 795 00:47:20,700 --> 00:47:24,330 her voice her some disdain. And I'm not sure what it is. It may 796 00:47:24,330 --> 00:47:28,620 be the possibility. Excuse me, it may be the possibility that 797 00:47:28,620 --> 00:47:33,360 she has a British, British what just it just has a dislike for 798 00:47:33,360 --> 00:47:37,110 her. That's that's that's visceral. You know, you've had 799 00:47:37,110 --> 00:47:40,350 that, you know, somebody just really don't like her. And she 800 00:47:40,350 --> 00:47:42,660 just slams her in this piece. I thought this was quite an 801 00:47:42,660 --> 00:47:44,970 interesting night. I don't know where she got this information. 802 00:47:44,970 --> 00:47:50,430 Or he even if it's true. It may have been picked up by research. 803 00:47:50,430 --> 00:47:52,830 I don't think it was an intelligence source. I just 804 00:47:52,830 --> 00:47:57,690 don't see it. I've looked at because I had to hit. I had the 805 00:47:57,690 --> 00:48:01,080 sense that you might have been going after as an intelligence. 806 00:48:02,190 --> 00:48:04,680 Adam Curry: Why are you stammering This is worrying me 807 00:48:04,680 --> 00:48:06,120 now. I gotta get get. 808 00:48:06,840 --> 00:48:09,630 Unknown: Let's just play this clip that at the end of the day, 809 00:48:09,630 --> 00:48:13,380 the President's president's great Achilles heel is actually 810 00:48:13,380 --> 00:48:18,150 his daughter. That he had said to John Kelly, when when General 811 00:48:18,150 --> 00:48:21,840 Kelly became Chief of Staff, that he really wants them gone. 812 00:48:22,230 --> 00:48:26,100 You know, he doesn't like it when people other than himself, 813 00:48:26,460 --> 00:48:29,640 draw negative attention to the White House. It's fine if he 814 00:48:29,640 --> 00:48:33,450 tweets something and that that creates a firestorm. It's not 815 00:48:33,450 --> 00:48:38,790 fine. If somebody else reflects poorly on him. He hated their 816 00:48:38,790 --> 00:48:42,990 misuse of private emails because that was something that he'd 817 00:48:42,990 --> 00:48:48,570 gone after Hillary Clinton with. So he said to General Kelly, you 818 00:48:48,570 --> 00:48:51,600 know, get rid of them. They waffle on as you send them back 819 00:48:51,600 --> 00:48:54,750 to New York, make their life so miserable, they want to quit. 820 00:48:55,260 --> 00:48:58,920 And, you know, General Kelly was successful. If you look at the 821 00:48:58,920 --> 00:49:02,550 period when he was Chief of Staff, Jared and Ivanka, were 822 00:49:02,550 --> 00:49:07,140 very, very quiet. During that period. It's the president who 823 00:49:07,140 --> 00:49:10,980 was who couldn't pull the trigger. And I think that that 824 00:49:10,980 --> 00:49:17,190 shows that ultimately, it Ivanka moreso than Jared Jared is there 825 00:49:17,190 --> 00:49:21,390 because he's her husband. But the president cannot say no to 826 00:49:21,390 --> 00:49:24,690 his daughter, which means that this White House is essentially 827 00:49:25,050 --> 00:49:27,090 a family business. 828 00:49:28,170 --> 00:49:30,930 Adam Curry: She's got some of the talking points there. I 829 00:49:30,930 --> 00:49:32,610 liked it. Some of them are good, 830 00:49:33,210 --> 00:49:35,520 John C. Dvorak: huh? She's no slouch. But 831 00:49:35,520 --> 00:49:38,430 Adam Curry: let's let's move forward to this year and move 832 00:49:38,430 --> 00:49:41,700 away from from Vicki ward. I don't think we're gonna get much 833 00:49:41,700 --> 00:49:43,920 more except keeping her eye on her and I still want to know 834 00:49:43,920 --> 00:49:50,220 where Magellan she is. Elaine Maxwell is what of course, hours 835 00:49:50,220 --> 00:49:53,160 after this reporting came out. We were all I was kind of 836 00:49:53,160 --> 00:49:55,770 waiting for okay, what are we going to hear from from the 837 00:49:55,770 --> 00:50:01,680 President? And here's the chip Todd Chuck. Gregory Todd talking 838 00:50:01,680 --> 00:50:03,720 about the Trump tweets. A few hours 839 00:50:03,720 --> 00:50:05,910 Unknown: after the news of Epstein's death, President Trump 840 00:50:05,910 --> 00:50:09,690 waded in sharing an unfounded conspiracy theory speculating 841 00:50:09,840 --> 00:50:13,230 about how the financier may have died. The President of the 842 00:50:13,230 --> 00:50:16,080 United States retweeted a conservative commentator and 843 00:50:16,080 --> 00:50:19,080 comedian who wrote quote, how does this happened? Jeffrey 844 00:50:19,080 --> 00:50:22,410 Epstein had information on Bill Clinton. And now he's dead. 845 00:50:22,410 --> 00:50:25,020 Again. The President retweeted that. Chuck Todd is NBC 846 00:50:25,020 --> 00:50:26,010 political director. 847 00:50:26,370 --> 00:50:28,770 Adam Curry: A bit mind you a comedian, but okay. And 848 00:50:28,770 --> 00:50:29,370 moderator 849 00:50:29,370 --> 00:50:31,170 Unknown: of Meet the press junket. Morning. I wish you and 850 00:50:31,170 --> 00:50:32,940 I couldn't sit here and say we're surprised that the 851 00:50:32,940 --> 00:50:37,200 President retweeted that. But right, right away jumping to a 852 00:50:37,200 --> 00:50:40,260 conspiracy theory about his opponent in the last election 853 00:50:40,260 --> 00:50:40,950 and his family. 854 00:50:41,310 --> 00:50:44,940 Willie, think about what Donald Trump has done to American mass 855 00:50:44,940 --> 00:50:48,360 communication over the last two years. I quite frankly, am 856 00:50:48,390 --> 00:50:52,110 appalled and embarrassed by the amount of responsible people 857 00:50:52,170 --> 00:50:55,920 that have jumped right into a conspiracy theory on this. Yes, 858 00:50:55,920 --> 00:50:59,490 the President is is sort of leading the irresponsible charge 859 00:50:59,490 --> 00:51:02,010 here. But there's a lot of people on social media I mean, 860 00:51:04,290 --> 00:51:09,030 John C. Dvorak: the tweets this was just a classic Trump retweet 861 00:51:09,030 --> 00:51:14,130 so what it's not anything more than that. He thought it was 862 00:51:14,130 --> 00:51:19,290 funny. I thought it was funny. Yeah. These guys think it's 863 00:51:19,290 --> 00:51:20,040 funny. Well, why 864 00:51:20,040 --> 00:51:22,410 Adam Curry: don't you ask your lib Joe friends I'm sure they're 865 00:51:22,410 --> 00:51:26,490 all over this this in the same way the Chuck Todd is 866 00:51:26,820 --> 00:51:29,460 John C. Dvorak: of course is too seriously these people are 867 00:51:29,520 --> 00:51:30,630 idiots now, 868 00:51:31,110 --> 00:51:33,630 Adam Curry: this morning you probably saw this you know shear 869 00:51:33,630 --> 00:51:38,400 blue is this as kind of an outgrowth of media matters. And 870 00:51:38,400 --> 00:51:43,530 they it's a techno experts. It's trolls. It's trolls who go 871 00:51:43,530 --> 00:51:46,590 around and troll stuff and mainly to troll the takedown 872 00:51:46,590 --> 00:51:50,280 advertisers of you know, their canceled people canceled 873 00:51:50,280 --> 00:51:53,490 culture. The first thing I didn't know is that David Brock 874 00:51:53,490 --> 00:51:59,760 is no longer running it. This is new Alison Gervin is the new CEO 875 00:51:59,760 --> 00:52:03,570 of Cher blue. And he's an NBC News. 876 00:52:04,260 --> 00:52:06,120 John C. Dvorak: Brock was running Media Matters never 877 00:52:06,150 --> 00:52:07,020 share blue. 878 00:52:07,170 --> 00:52:10,050 Adam Curry: Oh, yes. Oh, yes. It's it's it's an outgrowth of, 879 00:52:10,080 --> 00:52:14,220 of Media Matters. Share blue is big. That's, that's where that's 880 00:52:14,220 --> 00:52:18,300 where a lot of money goes into that. And so I did not know that 881 00:52:18,300 --> 00:52:24,030 this guy had taken over just last month. And he headed MBCs 882 00:52:24,240 --> 00:52:29,130 NBC News is business tech and Mozia what's his name? Allison a 883 00:52:29,130 --> 00:52:34,710 ll i s o n Gervin G I R V ins guys that guy? Yeah, it's a guy. 884 00:52:35,880 --> 00:52:41,250 I'm sure he's really touched. And they had a message for their 885 00:52:41,640 --> 00:52:46,170 for their trolls, which they call stalwarts. The share blue 886 00:52:46,170 --> 00:52:51,720 stalwarts, and I'll read this so this is what goes out to the 887 00:52:51,750 --> 00:52:55,170 online techno expert trolls who are supposed to go and do 888 00:52:55,170 --> 00:52:59,640 something and they It's looks like it's pretty well organized 889 00:52:59,640 --> 00:53:03,000 outfit. stalwarts by now most of you will have seen the recent 890 00:53:03,000 --> 00:53:05,640 news regarding the death of Jeffrey Epstein already the news 891 00:53:05,640 --> 00:53:08,340 is being used by far right activists to spread smears and 892 00:53:08,340 --> 00:53:13,290 conspiracy theories on social Yeah, I wish I could talk like 893 00:53:13,290 --> 00:53:14,400 that on social 894 00:53:14,940 --> 00:53:17,190 John C. Dvorak: Yeah, well if you if you could talk like that 895 00:53:17,190 --> 00:53:18,660 you'd be selling merch. 896 00:53:21,420 --> 00:53:25,050 Adam Curry: Despite being both harmful and untrue on tour, it 897 00:53:25,050 --> 00:53:28,680 says but I'm sure he meant untrue. There's clearly a wow 898 00:53:28,680 --> 00:53:33,510 that's a tell isn't it? If you misspell untrue there's clearly 899 00:53:33,510 --> 00:53:36,330 a very concerted effort from the right to reach the public 900 00:53:36,330 --> 00:53:43,830 consciousness as you can see on your dash dash the past few 901 00:53:43,830 --> 00:53:47,490 hours have seen a rapid swell in Far Right disinformation. So 902 00:53:47,490 --> 00:53:51,270 they have some kind of dashboard known as a dash capital D where 903 00:53:51,270 --> 00:53:56,550 they can see I guess stats on the the right wing trolls. I'd 904 00:53:56,550 --> 00:54:01,350 love to see some of this. I get the dash as such. We need as 905 00:54:01,350 --> 00:54:06,900 many. This is well written. as such. We need as many stalwarts 906 00:54:06,900 --> 00:54:10,440 as we can to counteract this promote our own messaging and 907 00:54:10,440 --> 00:54:16,140 discredit the claims being made. You can find the keynotes 908 00:54:16,170 --> 00:54:21,240 regarding Jeffrey Epstein at at your dash and navigate to the 909 00:54:21,240 --> 00:54:26,520 appropriate conversation. As this is Brett a breaking story, 910 00:54:26,520 --> 00:54:29,580 the keynotes, I guess as their talking points are currently 911 00:54:29,580 --> 00:54:32,850 bare bones any stalwarts who can help and adding to them would be 912 00:54:32,850 --> 00:54:36,480 greatly appreciated. It is the utmost importance we act fast 913 00:54:36,480 --> 00:54:40,230 and face the smears head on with the correct messaging currently, 914 00:54:40,920 --> 00:54:44,820 the messaging you so it says currently that is colon do not. 915 00:54:44,940 --> 00:54:49,170 So this is what the dash says you should do not do do not deny 916 00:54:49,170 --> 00:54:53,880 the possibility of foul play. Do not excuse Epstein of his 917 00:54:53,880 --> 00:54:57,810 potential crimes or the doubt or doubt the validity of his guilt. 918 00:54:58,260 --> 00:55:01,650 Do not link to the current Aren't court documents regarding 919 00:55:01,680 --> 00:55:04,680 Epstein or use them in constructing your argument? 920 00:55:04,740 --> 00:55:09,180 Because Boy, that would be crazy. However do Wow. Yeah. 921 00:55:09,180 --> 00:55:13,380 Isn't that great? I do sympathize with the potential 922 00:55:13,380 --> 00:55:18,030 victims of Epstein do remind people of the prior allegations 923 00:55:18,060 --> 00:55:24,210 of President Trump. Talking subject 14 C. do remind people 924 00:55:24,210 --> 00:55:26,970 of Trump's prior quotes regarding Epstein and their 925 00:55:26,970 --> 00:55:30,480 proven interactions subject 34 Live article currently bare 926 00:55:30,480 --> 00:55:34,650 bones do remind people of the power that the President of the 927 00:55:34,650 --> 00:55:37,320 United States holds in comparison to members of the 928 00:55:37,320 --> 00:55:46,320 public and five as always, roll con, uppercase R O L c o n. Once 929 00:55:46,320 --> 00:55:51,480 again, we need as many stalwarts active as possible. So role con 930 00:55:51,480 --> 00:55:55,290 is not that hard to figure out once you search around. It means 931 00:55:55,290 --> 00:55:59,370 play the role of conservatives so pretend to be conservative. 932 00:55:59,760 --> 00:56:03,600 Ly use these talking points don't point to the original 933 00:56:03,600 --> 00:56:09,510 document and implicate Trump. That's great. That's well that's 934 00:56:09,510 --> 00:56:13,380 it. This guy comes from NBC News. So I I'm all in I think 935 00:56:13,410 --> 00:56:17,190 now let's with that in mind. Let's listen to this article 936 00:56:17,190 --> 00:56:17,550 again. 937 00:56:17,610 --> 00:56:19,500 Unknown: A few hours after the news of Epstein's death, 938 00:56:19,500 --> 00:56:23,220 President Trump waded in sharing an unfounded conspiracy theory 939 00:56:23,220 --> 00:56:26,880 speculating about how the financier may have died. The 940 00:56:26,880 --> 00:56:29,700 President of the United States retweeted a conservative 941 00:56:29,700 --> 00:56:32,490 commentator and comedian who wrote quote, how does this 942 00:56:32,490 --> 00:56:36,060 happen? Jeffrey Epstein had information on Bill Clinton. And 943 00:56:36,060 --> 00:56:38,580 now he's dead. Again. The President retweeted that. Chuck 944 00:56:38,580 --> 00:56:40,320 Todd is NBC News political director. 945 00:56:40,380 --> 00:56:42,810 Adam Curry: Okay, let's see if Chad can get all the dewpoints 946 00:56:42,810 --> 00:56:43,950 right. And moderator 947 00:56:43,950 --> 00:56:45,750 Unknown: of Meet the press junket. Morning. I wish you and 948 00:56:45,750 --> 00:56:47,520 I couldn't sit here and say we're surprised that the 949 00:56:47,520 --> 00:56:51,810 President retweeted that. But right, right away, jump into a 950 00:56:51,810 --> 00:56:54,840 conspiracy theory about his opponent in the last election 951 00:56:54,840 --> 00:56:55,500 and his family 952 00:56:55,890 --> 00:56:59,520 will think about what Donald Trump has done to American mass 953 00:56:59,520 --> 00:57:02,910 communication over the last two years, I quite frankly, and 954 00:57:02,910 --> 00:57:06,690 appalled and embarrassed by the amount of responsible people 955 00:57:06,750 --> 00:57:08,880 that have jumped right into a conspiracy. This 956 00:57:08,880 --> 00:57:11,310 Adam Curry: may be a point for remind people of the power of 957 00:57:11,310 --> 00:57:13,830 the president united states holds in comparison, I think 958 00:57:13,830 --> 00:57:14,940 that may be Can you 959 00:57:14,970 --> 00:57:18,270 John C. Dvorak: can you ring the bell when you get your theory on 960 00:57:18,270 --> 00:57:21,900 this, by the way, by the way? Yes. Good catch on the talking 961 00:57:21,900 --> 00:57:27,750 points. And it's pathetic. Easy to identify a Chuck Todd as as a 962 00:57:27,750 --> 00:57:28,980 stooge a role con. 963 00:57:31,140 --> 00:57:34,050 Unknown: Yes, the President is is sort of leading the 964 00:57:34,050 --> 00:57:36,720 irresponsible charge here. But there's a lot of people on 965 00:57:36,720 --> 00:57:42,360 social media. I mean, it is it is to the point where the I 966 00:57:42,360 --> 00:57:46,110 think it's way ahead of any investigation. Here. I think it 967 00:57:46,110 --> 00:57:49,830 just shows you how particularly the president and the way he 968 00:57:49,830 --> 00:57:54,090 sort of warped information attack, the press, fake news, 969 00:57:54,090 --> 00:57:57,210 conspiracy theories, all of that stuff, which he's embraced over 970 00:57:57,210 --> 00:58:00,600 the years. I think the fact is, my biggest concern is that you 971 00:58:00,600 --> 00:58:04,410 can tell this is a virus that is spreading. So let's set that 972 00:58:04,410 --> 00:58:07,320 aside with what the president did there. Because this is a 973 00:58:07,350 --> 00:58:10,980 this is that's a horrendous virus. As for Epstein? Look, I 974 00:58:10,980 --> 00:58:14,460 think you're seeing bipartisan outrage. We are you know, we 975 00:58:14,460 --> 00:58:18,330 have some senators who have been so mute. On other issues, they 976 00:58:18,330 --> 00:58:21,150 see the Epstein thing, almost as an opportunity to say, Oh, I get 977 00:58:21,150 --> 00:58:23,670 to be outraged about something and I don't have to make Donald 978 00:58:23,670 --> 00:58:27,210 Trump mad. So you're going to have some of those people coming 979 00:58:27,210 --> 00:58:29,550 after the Justice Department here. But you're also going to 980 00:58:29,550 --> 00:58:31,440 have others that are going to come after the Justice 981 00:58:31,440 --> 00:58:34,170 Department for what they believe. So I think Bill Barr is 982 00:58:34,170 --> 00:58:36,630 in the hot seat, the entire justice system is in the hot 983 00:58:36,630 --> 00:58:37,560 seat on this one there. 984 00:58:37,980 --> 00:58:40,320 We'd like to think the President United States would tamp down 985 00:58:40,320 --> 00:58:43,440 some of the conspiracy theories. But again, he's elevating them. 986 00:58:44,220 --> 00:58:45,990 Adam Curry: Well, they didn't do a very good job on the talking 987 00:58:45,990 --> 00:58:46,560 points. He's 988 00:58:46,560 --> 00:58:51,450 John C. Dvorak: not elevating anything else. He just, he just 989 00:58:51,450 --> 00:58:55,350 mentioned that. Epstein was a buddy with Bill Clinton. He's 990 00:58:55,350 --> 00:58:57,840 trolling where's the conspiracy theory. He didn't mention the 991 00:58:57,840 --> 00:58:59,430 hit list. He's doing anything. 992 00:59:00,870 --> 00:59:06,510 Adam Curry: And he's trolling these guys. By the way. mental 993 00:59:06,510 --> 00:59:09,870 health and suicide is of course, a serious business and we're 994 00:59:09,870 --> 00:59:12,510 making very light of it. Here on the show, we need to talk a 995 00:59:12,510 --> 00:59:15,390 little bit more about some specific mental health issues 996 00:59:15,390 --> 00:59:17,940 that have been in the news recently. So I did want to bring 997 00:59:17,940 --> 00:59:20,190 this short public service announcement to everybody. 998 00:59:20,700 --> 00:59:23,370 Unknown: Are you at risk of accidental suicide? If you are, 999 00:59:23,400 --> 00:59:26,580 then this advice may help avoid police custody, or any 1000 00:59:26,580 --> 00:59:30,090 protective custody or incarceration. Do not spend any 1001 00:59:30,090 --> 00:59:34,110 time alone in a high rise apartment. Avoid small aircraft, 1002 00:59:34,140 --> 00:59:38,190 hot tubs skiing, canoeing, long drives on lonely mountainous 1003 00:59:38,190 --> 00:59:41,820 roads, or simply being in a remote place. Always vote for 1004 00:59:41,820 --> 00:59:45,000 your Democratic nominee in federal, state and municipal 1005 00:59:45,000 --> 00:59:48,270 elections. Should anyone start up an awkward conversation. 1006 00:59:48,510 --> 00:59:53,160 Simply smile politely and say I'm with her. Follow these steps 1007 00:59:53,160 --> 00:59:55,830 to reduce your chance of accidental suicide today. 1008 01:00:00,480 --> 01:00:02,670 Adam Curry: Brought to you by your local no agenda affiliate 1009 01:00:02,670 --> 01:00:03,210 station. 1010 01:00:04,020 --> 01:00:06,930 John C. Dvorak: Exactly. Yeah, good. Good advice. 1011 01:00:07,560 --> 01:00:11,610 Adam Curry: I love that someone scrolled in chalk in front of 1012 01:00:11,610 --> 01:00:15,960 the Epstein mansion in Manhattan. X o x o Hillary and 1013 01:00:15,960 --> 01:00:16,410 Bill. 1014 01:00:18,449 --> 01:00:19,769 Unknown: I'm sick people, man. 1015 01:00:19,860 --> 01:00:21,360 John C. Dvorak: I did not see that. 1016 01:00:21,689 --> 01:00:23,009 Adam Curry: It's very funny. 1017 01:00:25,380 --> 01:00:29,520 Okay, do we have any? Well, I guess the only thing for me and 1018 01:00:29,520 --> 01:00:32,130 I don't know what you have is like I will do 1019 01:00:32,130 --> 01:00:34,530 John C. Dvorak: have we were Mrs. Layne Maxwell thing. 1020 01:00:35,070 --> 01:00:36,930 Adam Curry: Yes. And then I will say we would be remiss if we 1021 01:00:36,930 --> 01:00:39,750 didn't listen to Putin annex take. 1022 01:00:41,460 --> 01:00:43,140 John C. Dvorak: I didn't think he had much to say in that 1023 01:00:43,140 --> 01:00:46,980 particular last one. I thought it was a couple of amazing Polly 1024 01:00:46,980 --> 01:00:51,480 clips which I could gladly quit now let's I could net but 1025 01:00:51,480 --> 01:00:54,330 amazing, Polly. I don't listen to her. I don't think she's that 1026 01:00:54,330 --> 01:00:59,460 good. I think she's, uh, she invites associative kinds of 1027 01:00:59,460 --> 01:01:02,040 condemnations and I think she's full of shit with a lot of stuff 1028 01:01:02,040 --> 01:01:05,820 because there's just just not accurate. But the person I do 1029 01:01:05,820 --> 01:01:11,040 like, who I think is does do nice little documentaries on the 1030 01:01:11,040 --> 01:01:16,170 YouTube. And that is the truth factory talking cat. Yes. 1031 01:01:16,770 --> 01:01:19,530 Adam Curry: The truth factory talking cat is pretty good. Yes. 1032 01:01:19,710 --> 01:01:21,780 John C. Dvorak: Yes. Well, here's her. Here's the talking 1033 01:01:21,780 --> 01:01:25,410 cats little thing on Maxwell were the target jizz lane. 1034 01:01:25,500 --> 01:01:27,510 Unknown: I believe the real brains behind the entire 1035 01:01:27,510 --> 01:01:30,840 operation was gesslin as this was not our first rodeo 1036 01:01:30,840 --> 01:01:35,040 surrounding herself with pedophiles. In 1986. She was 1037 01:01:35,040 --> 01:01:38,610 allegedly caught in compromising sexual photos with former 1038 01:01:38,610 --> 01:01:42,990 British MP Harvey Proctor, who liked to spank naked little boys 1039 01:01:42,990 --> 01:01:46,560 with a riding crop. From there she attached herself to Epstein 1040 01:01:46,590 --> 01:01:50,400 and his money becoming the handler of the young sexual 1041 01:01:50,400 --> 01:01:54,540 victims in just like her father, Maxwell and Epstein were both 1042 01:01:54,540 --> 01:01:58,530 likely working for the Mossad. This theory was made credible in 1043 01:01:58,530 --> 01:02:01,920 Acosta's comments when he said he'd cut the non prosecution 1044 01:02:01,920 --> 01:02:04,920 deal with one of Epstein's attorneys, because he had been 1045 01:02:04,920 --> 01:02:09,510 told to back off that Epstein was above his pay grade, I was 1046 01:02:09,510 --> 01:02:12,810 told that Epstein belonged to intelligence until leave it 1047 01:02:12,810 --> 01:02:16,110 alone. But what would intelligence services want with 1048 01:02:16,110 --> 01:02:19,950 a disgusting sex offender? Probably the same thing that the 1049 01:02:19,950 --> 01:02:24,420 Mossad got by filming Robert Maxwell sexual exploits. They 1050 01:02:24,420 --> 01:02:28,230 would use agents of influence like Epstein to blackmail rich 1051 01:02:28,260 --> 01:02:32,190 and powerful people. Jeffrey Epstein was running a honey 1052 01:02:32,190 --> 01:02:36,930 trap. In a 2006 court filing Palm Beach Police noted that a 1053 01:02:36,930 --> 01:02:40,560 search of Epstein's home uncovered two hidden cameras. In 1054 01:02:40,560 --> 01:02:44,640 a 2015 civil lawsuit filed by Jane Doe number three who is 1055 01:02:44,640 --> 01:02:48,360 likely actually Virginia Roberts scene here with Caitlin and 1056 01:02:48,360 --> 01:02:52,590 Prince Andrew. She accused Maxwell of having recruited her 1057 01:02:52,590 --> 01:02:57,750 in 1999 when she was only a minor. After Maxwell introduced 1058 01:02:57,750 --> 01:03:01,230 her to Epstein she was groomed by the two of them for his 1059 01:03:01,230 --> 01:03:04,770 pleasure. She asserted that Maxwell Epstein had trafficked 1060 01:03:04,770 --> 01:03:08,880 her and other girls often at sex parties hosted by Epstein at his 1061 01:03:08,880 --> 01:03:12,600 homes, and alleged that Epstein wired his mansion with hidden 1062 01:03:12,600 --> 01:03:16,290 cameras secretly recording orgies involving his prominent 1063 01:03:16,290 --> 01:03:18,150 friends and underage girls. 1064 01:03:19,470 --> 01:03:20,220 John C. Dvorak: And now 1065 01:03:21,720 --> 01:03:25,140 you know, just she just brings it in me sees Lee she discusses 1066 01:03:25,140 --> 01:03:28,320 the woman here but the one thing I got a kick out of was this 1067 01:03:28,320 --> 01:03:33,480 little other thing, the honey pot clip where this this is the 1068 01:03:33,480 --> 01:03:38,250 kind of thing that somebody who has any brains probably would 1069 01:03:38,250 --> 01:03:41,370 have done if if there was presented to them, especially 1070 01:03:41,370 --> 01:03:44,250 the way it was presented. This is a story about a journalist 1071 01:03:44,250 --> 01:03:46,590 who went to one of the parties and I think these cameras which 1072 01:03:46,590 --> 01:03:49,620 we've discussed on other shows, were used mostly for the 1073 01:03:49,620 --> 01:03:53,220 purposes of getting other people to shut up not necessarily the 1074 01:03:53,970 --> 01:03:58,770 click of pedophiles, which I still think was a kind of just a 1075 01:03:58,770 --> 01:04:02,340 club as opposed to all blackmailed. I don't think 1076 01:04:02,340 --> 01:04:04,860 they're necessarily wanted you I mean, they blackmailed because 1077 01:04:04,860 --> 01:04:07,560 they all know each other, but I don't think it was the intent to 1078 01:04:07,560 --> 01:04:11,400 blackmail them as it was to blackmail other people to shut 1079 01:04:11,400 --> 01:04:14,100 them up. And this little anecdote coming up, I thought 1080 01:04:14,100 --> 01:04:16,320 was very on the money. 1081 01:04:16,350 --> 01:04:19,350 Unknown: Jeffrey Epstein's job was simple to be a pimp and to 1082 01:04:19,350 --> 01:04:22,950 find elite people in the US political and economic 1083 01:04:22,950 --> 01:04:27,630 industries and compromise them. Journalist Eric Margolis even 1084 01:04:27,630 --> 01:04:31,230 said when meeting I've seen for the first time, soon after I 1085 01:04:31,230 --> 01:04:34,110 walked into the entrance of Epstein's mansion about Laura 1086 01:04:34,110 --> 01:04:37,350 asked me, Would you like an intimate massager by a pretty 1087 01:04:37,350 --> 01:04:41,070 young girl to seemed out of place and weird to me, so I 1088 01:04:41,070 --> 01:04:44,460 swiftly declined as an old observer of intelligence 1089 01:04:44,460 --> 01:04:49,500 affairs. To me this offer rekted the old honey trap, a tactic to 1090 01:04:49,500 --> 01:04:53,340 ensnare and blackmail people. That was old when Babylon was 1091 01:04:53,340 --> 01:04:57,180 young, a discreet room with a massage table lubricants and no 1092 01:04:57,180 --> 01:05:01,320 doubt cameras stood ready off the main law Maybe this footage 1093 01:05:01,320 --> 01:05:05,370 was likely use to blackmail leads afterwards for hush money 1094 01:05:05,430 --> 01:05:08,700 once you have that money you can buy more mansions, cars, more 1095 01:05:08,700 --> 01:05:12,180 girls and have massive parties where you can connect to even 1096 01:05:12,180 --> 01:05:15,810 more influential perverts that you can extort to keep growing 1097 01:05:15,840 --> 01:05:17,490 this disgusting empire. 1098 01:05:17,520 --> 01:05:21,060 Adam Curry: This was in a in a in an article I think I've read 1099 01:05:21,060 --> 01:05:21,630 this, 1100 01:05:22,440 --> 01:05:25,500 John C. Dvorak: I guess Yeah, I don't think so. Yeah, this was a 1101 01:05:25,500 --> 01:05:25,740 guy 1102 01:05:25,740 --> 01:05:29,580 Adam Curry: who wrote about this experience verbatim not have to 1103 01:05:29,580 --> 01:05:33,000 look it up. Look, the cat didn't go into the mansion, we know 1104 01:05:33,000 --> 01:05:36,210 that. That would have been very the talking cat would have been 1105 01:05:36,210 --> 01:05:40,710 a surprise. Now it's too bad that Epstein is dead, extracted, 1106 01:05:40,710 --> 01:05:44,700 gone, whatever. Although I still want to bring this important 1107 01:05:44,700 --> 01:05:49,200 piece of information. We had a we replayed a recording of the 1108 01:05:49,200 --> 01:05:54,420 Epstein deposition of 2009 Here's a reminder. Yes. Do you 1109 01:05:54,420 --> 01:05:54,990 solemnly swear the 1110 01:05:54,990 --> 01:05:56,460 Unknown: testimony you're about to give will be the truth, the 1111 01:05:56,460 --> 01:05:58,680 whole truth and nothing but the truth is to help you. Yes, I 1112 01:05:58,680 --> 01:06:08,730 do. Would you please give us your name? Jeffrey Epstein. Is 1113 01:06:08,730 --> 01:06:13,890 it true, sir, that you have what's been described as an egg 1114 01:06:13,890 --> 01:06:19,860 shaped penis? Form the egg and that projection, Your Honor. 1115 01:06:20,730 --> 01:06:25,050 First of all, that these types of questions are not only 1116 01:06:25,050 --> 01:06:25,800 argumentative, 1117 01:06:25,830 --> 01:06:29,970 Adam Curry: but let's get to the second version of the question. 1118 01:06:30,000 --> 01:06:32,010 Unknown: You continue with this type of question Allah during 1119 01:06:32,040 --> 01:06:32,670 the deposition. 1120 01:06:35,580 --> 01:06:39,060 Sir, according to the police department's probable cause 1121 01:06:39,060 --> 01:06:45,150 affidavit One witness described, your penis is oval shaped and 1122 01:06:45,150 --> 01:06:48,810 claim when erect. It was thick towards the bottom that was thin 1123 01:06:48,810 --> 01:06:52,200 and small towards the head portion and called it egg 1124 01:06:52,200 --> 01:06:56,220 shaped. Those are not my words, I apologize. But as Mr. Gerron 1125 01:06:56,490 --> 01:06:58,590 as Mr. cretinous stated that this is 1126 01:07:00,780 --> 01:07:03,690 I've got information man, new shit has come 1127 01:07:03,690 --> 01:07:06,900 Adam Curry: to light. Yes, the no agenda producers never cease 1128 01:07:06,900 --> 01:07:10,650 to amaze me with their with their experience, background and 1129 01:07:10,650 --> 01:07:13,380 information they're willing to share from producer Eric we 1130 01:07:13,380 --> 01:07:17,130 received. Adam and John enjoyed the clip on the egg shaped 1131 01:07:17,130 --> 01:07:22,140 Epstein penis. That's always a good opener for an email. I feel 1132 01:07:22,170 --> 01:07:26,280 I feel I might be able to shed some light on this. I was a 1133 01:07:26,280 --> 01:07:29,760 professional peers and body modifier in several underground 1134 01:07:29,760 --> 01:07:33,840 communities in the late 90s and early 2000s. The term we had for 1135 01:07:33,840 --> 01:07:37,620 guys back then was milk bottle dicks. Because their penises 1136 01:07:37,620 --> 01:07:41,970 looked like a milk bottle. These guys were penis pump addicts, 1137 01:07:42,210 --> 01:07:45,450 they would use a vacuum pressure penis pump to enlarge their 1138 01:07:45,450 --> 01:07:49,470 dicks. The anatomy of the penis is such that the shaft expands 1139 01:07:49,470 --> 01:07:53,010 at a different rate than the head making the base and shaft a 1140 01:07:53,010 --> 01:07:57,300 lot longer and thicker than the head. My guess we got a pumper 1141 01:07:57,300 --> 01:08:00,930 on her hands. And I thought this is very interesting information. 1142 01:08:01,890 --> 01:08:06,840 Because for sure I'm never going to buy a vacuum pump now. And I 1143 01:08:06,840 --> 01:08:11,880 recommend no one do this. Wow, I can totally see that guy being a 1144 01:08:11,880 --> 01:08:13,770 pumper. Yeah, 1145 01:08:14,850 --> 01:08:17,910 John C. Dvorak: the more it gets better, the more better on the 1146 01:08:17,910 --> 01:08:19,050 no agenda show. 1147 01:08:21,180 --> 01:08:25,950 Adam Curry: Should I should have had this one ready. The more the 1148 01:08:25,950 --> 01:08:28,980 more you know, here it is. That's the one the more you 1149 01:08:28,980 --> 01:08:32,550 know, in the morning. All right. Do you want to go to this 1150 01:08:32,550 --> 01:08:34,890 botanic clip quick. We don't have to do every single 1151 01:08:35,310 --> 01:08:37,110 John C. Dvorak: magenic thing and then and then we'll be 1152 01:08:37,110 --> 01:08:39,960 Adam Curry: done for now. Right? Yeah. Okay. So and pathetic. 1153 01:08:39,990 --> 01:08:44,070 emailed me this link. He said, I want to I want to record a long 1154 01:08:44,280 --> 01:08:46,950 interview with you. So he's got something to say. And I'm going 1155 01:08:46,950 --> 01:08:50,730 to talk to you on Tuesday. And I'll record it and we'll see 1156 01:08:50,730 --> 01:08:56,430 what comes out of it. But he his quote was his quote was I really 1157 01:08:56,430 --> 01:08:59,820 want to talk to you about this. Let's record it. Many more going 1158 01:08:59,820 --> 01:09:05,010 down. But I'm interested when he says this, you know, I have no 1159 01:09:05,010 --> 01:09:06,030 problem talking to 1160 01:09:06,030 --> 01:09:09,150 John C. Dvorak: our friend sealed indictments. Okay, 1161 01:09:09,480 --> 01:09:12,540 Adam Curry: it many 1000s of unsealed indictments. Okay, 1162 01:09:12,570 --> 01:09:14,190 John C. Dvorak: what are sealed, sealed indictments? 1163 01:09:14,849 --> 01:09:16,949 Adam Curry: Who knows? By the time I talk to him, it may be 1164 01:09:16,949 --> 01:09:18,899 unsealed. What do you know? Hi, 1165 01:09:18,960 --> 01:09:21,990 Unknown: this is Dr. Chuck and let's talk about Jeff Epstein. 1166 01:09:21,990 --> 01:09:26,070 Suppose it's suicide. Whether he committed suicide or he's dead, 1167 01:09:26,100 --> 01:09:28,860 or they took him out of jail. It's really not relevant. What 1168 01:09:28,860 --> 01:09:33,660 happened today with Jeff Epstein is a travesty of justice and the 1169 01:09:33,660 --> 01:09:37,200 law, but also of our intelligence system. Several 1170 01:09:37,200 --> 01:09:40,950 weeks ago, on July 15 16th, I saw the story being developed 1171 01:09:40,950 --> 01:09:45,510 where Epstein was decided that he was going to commit suicide 1172 01:09:45,510 --> 01:09:48,300 and he had a rope around his neck and had marks on his neck 1173 01:09:48,300 --> 01:09:51,240 and there was a member in his cell which was absurd. Of 1174 01:09:51,240 --> 01:09:56,370 course, Epstein was in his cell. Now by himself his dynamic is 1175 01:09:56,370 --> 01:09:59,400 such that he would never commit suicide. He's too narcissistic 1176 01:09:59,400 --> 01:10:02,520 bombast. They get treated guys like this. They don't commit 1177 01:10:02,520 --> 01:10:03,150 suicide. 1178 01:10:04,050 --> 01:10:07,470 Adam Curry: Whatever you think of Puranic he does have the 1179 01:10:07,470 --> 01:10:09,510 credentials to be able to make a claim like 1180 01:10:09,510 --> 01:10:11,850 John C. Dvorak: that. And he's not the only one making that 1181 01:10:11,850 --> 01:10:15,180 claim. Who else has made this claim? A lot of people have said 1182 01:10:15,180 --> 01:10:17,880 that he's two narcissists. He's not he he's not suicidal, 1183 01:10:18,210 --> 01:10:20,010 suicidal stances. 1184 01:10:20,070 --> 01:10:23,370 Adam Curry: Although I was reading a report somewhere else 1185 01:10:23,370 --> 01:10:27,420 that claimed that all pedophiles, they commit more 1186 01:10:27,420 --> 01:10:31,380 suicide than anybody, especially pedophiles that have pedophiles 1187 01:10:31,380 --> 01:10:35,940 who abused boys. I don't know where that article is. But you 1188 01:10:35,940 --> 01:10:38,490 know, so there's conflicting information out there. I saw 1189 01:10:38,490 --> 01:10:41,460 that too. But Botanik has credentials in this area. So 1190 01:10:41,460 --> 01:10:42,720 unless he's bullshitting us I'm going 1191 01:10:43,680 --> 01:10:46,650 John C. Dvorak: to file commit suicide. So no, some don't for 1192 01:10:46,650 --> 01:10:50,160 some reason, and I think we can assume he's one of them. 1193 01:10:50,190 --> 01:10:52,950 Unknown: What we do is we take them out. And you remember what 1194 01:10:52,950 --> 01:10:56,520 I said a month ago, several months ago, he works for Mossad 1195 01:10:56,520 --> 01:11:00,690 and the CIA. Why? Because he compromised so many political 1196 01:11:00,690 --> 01:11:04,110 and economic figures, that it was important for all of you to 1197 01:11:04,110 --> 01:11:07,440 understand this wasn't just an individual. This is a system 1198 01:11:07,650 --> 01:11:11,340 that we funded and that we've been an alliance to the most 1199 01:11:11,340 --> 01:11:14,070 side and the Jewish Americans who are leading us 1200 01:11:15,120 --> 01:11:17,400 Adam Curry: that this was interesting. This glitch in the 1201 01:11:17,400 --> 01:11:20,520 YouTube video was in every version every single time I 1202 01:11:20,520 --> 01:11:22,860 looked at it, and the minute he's going to say something 1203 01:11:22,860 --> 01:11:27,150 about the Jews in America it and this is a glitch, it literally 1204 01:11:27,150 --> 01:11:30,660 glitches out. So I'm gonna have to ask him what he said when I 1205 01:11:30,660 --> 01:11:31,170 talked to Nick 1206 01:11:31,170 --> 01:11:33,060 John C. Dvorak: is Jewish, we should mention that. Yeah. So 1207 01:11:33,090 --> 01:11:36,420 Adam Curry: that's why he said you should never talk about this 1208 01:11:36,420 --> 01:11:38,460 the way I talk about it, only I can do that 1209 01:11:40,530 --> 01:11:43,950 Unknown: system that we funded, and that we've been an alliance 1210 01:11:43,950 --> 01:11:47,640 to the Mossad and the Jewish Americans who are leading us. 1211 01:11:49,980 --> 01:11:54,000 Jeffrey Epstein's, as I said to you is an operative. He's a poor 1212 01:11:54,060 --> 01:11:58,590 jerk of a low level Jewish guy who never amounted to anything 1213 01:11:58,590 --> 01:12:02,910 and was grandiose. The fact of the matter is that he had 1214 01:12:02,910 --> 01:12:07,050 compromised a lot of people using make belief, money and a 1215 01:12:07,050 --> 01:12:10,530 fictional background. What really is true is the following. 1216 01:12:10,560 --> 01:12:16,230 And most of you did not follow this. Two days ago, a member of 1217 01:12:16,230 --> 01:12:19,290 our military was appointed as Director of National 1218 01:12:19,290 --> 01:12:23,760 Intelligence. McGuire, a vice admiral of military 1219 01:12:23,760 --> 01:12:26,490 intelligence. Now, why is that important? And what does that 1220 01:12:26,490 --> 01:12:29,460 have to do with Epstein? Everybody wonders? The answer is 1221 01:12:29,460 --> 01:12:32,640 very simple. Military Intelligence, which I've been 1222 01:12:32,640 --> 01:12:36,840 part of for over four decades, is the only institution that we 1223 01:12:36,840 --> 01:12:40,440 can rely on that will not be compromised by the Mossad. In 1224 01:12:40,440 --> 01:12:45,150 turn, what happened is two days ago, Susan Brown, Gordon, who 1225 01:12:45,150 --> 01:12:48,810 was the deputy of Nat, a national intelligence behind 1226 01:12:48,810 --> 01:12:53,460 clapper and others, was not appointed to become director of 1227 01:12:53,460 --> 01:12:56,160 national intelligence. Now, why is that related to Epstein? 1228 01:12:56,160 --> 01:13:00,030 Because Susan Gordon is Jewish. And she was close to John 1229 01:13:00,030 --> 01:13:04,260 Brennan, who's close to the Mossad. So Trump, in his wisdom, 1230 01:13:04,440 --> 01:13:08,490 as crazy as people think was a fox in the henhouse. Now, 1231 01:13:08,669 --> 01:13:12,119 Adam Curry: I'm not exactly sure what pathetic is saying here. I 1232 01:13:12,119 --> 01:13:18,509 think what he means is that he the Trump is getting everyone 1233 01:13:18,539 --> 01:13:22,619 around him who's a potential problem away cutting all the 1234 01:13:22,649 --> 01:13:27,149 potential issues out, although I think you and I still have 1235 01:13:27,149 --> 01:13:29,819 questions as to who's writing his speeches, you know, possibly 1236 01:13:29,819 --> 01:13:33,569 putting in Nazi code words and other weird shit, that could 1237 01:13:33,569 --> 01:13:36,809 still be someone in the orbit. But I heard him say, I'm not one 1238 01:13:36,809 --> 01:13:41,369 of those famous on the way to the helicopter stand up things 1239 01:13:41,369 --> 01:13:44,039 on the on the White House lawn Tez. What do you think? Should I 1240 01:13:44,039 --> 01:13:46,649 should I appoint Sue? Should it be Sue? Yeah, you want to vet 1241 01:13:46,649 --> 01:13:49,919 her suit? So he was goading? Kind of to see what the response 1242 01:13:49,919 --> 01:13:53,849 was? I didn't get it at the time. So I guess that this is 1243 01:13:53,879 --> 01:13:58,799 distancing himself and everything from the CIA, who 1244 01:13:58,799 --> 01:14:02,459 apparently would be implicated with Mossad in this Epstein? 1245 01:14:03,209 --> 01:14:04,709 Platform? Almost. 1246 01:14:04,740 --> 01:14:07,590 John C. Dvorak: It was a given that Susan was going to get this 1247 01:14:07,590 --> 01:14:09,720 job. Oh, okay. 1248 01:14:09,720 --> 01:14:13,620 Adam Curry: So then there you go. There was a given by the 1249 01:14:13,620 --> 01:14:15,150 hierarchy of the system. Yeah. 1250 01:14:15,180 --> 01:14:18,330 John C. Dvorak: By the by the by the buzz by this system. Yeah. 1251 01:14:18,360 --> 01:14:21,570 All right. Yes, one of the shirt turn. You know, this, this 1252 01:14:21,570 --> 01:14:24,960 happens in government and everywhere. I mean, that's why 1253 01:14:24,960 --> 01:14:30,660 Biden is his turn. Let him beat the next guy. We continue to 1254 01:14:30,750 --> 01:14:35,310 Unknown: do exactly to go away from the CIA, and the civilian 1255 01:14:35,310 --> 01:14:38,790 intelligence and bring in military intelligence. So Susan 1256 01:14:38,790 --> 01:14:43,050 Gordon is out. John Brennan is out. The Obama people out the 1257 01:14:43,050 --> 01:14:46,710 Clintons didn't do this. This is far more sophisticated, but also 1258 01:14:46,710 --> 01:14:50,910 more awkward than you think. The reasoning goes as follows in the 1259 01:14:50,910 --> 01:14:54,240 intelligence community, I know the CIA very well and I know the 1260 01:14:54,240 --> 01:14:57,120 Mossad very well. They're not very bright when it comes to 1261 01:14:57,120 --> 01:14:59,490 creating a storyline like Jeff Epstein 1262 01:14:59,549 --> 01:15:01,829 Adam Curry: at this point. I like very much this is the part 1263 01:15:01,829 --> 01:15:02,879 of that I'm on board. 1264 01:15:03,030 --> 01:15:06,000 Unknown: Yes, they created this beast and they created this 1265 01:15:06,000 --> 01:15:11,280 incredible, you know, pedophilia ring. But what they didn't 1266 01:15:11,280 --> 01:15:14,100 understand and they couldn't come to any resolution was the 1267 01:15:14,100 --> 01:15:17,220 fact that, well, we can't explain the suicide and we'll 1268 01:15:17,220 --> 01:15:20,610 just say he's suicidal and he died in a cell by himself 1269 01:15:20,610 --> 01:15:23,970 committing suicide. That's called paradoxical intention. 1270 01:15:24,000 --> 01:15:26,910 What that means is that we're going to use the most absurd 1271 01:15:26,910 --> 01:15:31,440 concept and lecture people, the civilians run with it, as long 1272 01:15:31,440 --> 01:15:34,650 as we can label conspiracy theories. So on Wikipedia in the 1273 01:15:34,650 --> 01:15:37,740 New York Times, all they did was fall for this trap of 1274 01:15:37,740 --> 01:15:41,310 paradoxical intention where they said, Okay, it's a conspiracy 1275 01:15:41,310 --> 01:15:44,610 theory, the man killed himself in a cell which had no 1276 01:15:45,270 --> 01:15:48,870 capability to kill yourself. So who else was compromised? And 1277 01:15:48,870 --> 01:15:52,860 why was this so important to come out now? Governor DeSantis 1278 01:15:53,010 --> 01:15:56,730 of Florida, who was a JAG officer in the SEAL team in 1279 01:15:56,730 --> 01:16:00,630 Special Forces and fought overseas, decided he's going to 1280 01:16:00,630 --> 01:16:04,770 have a Florida investigation and a prosecution of the Attorney 1281 01:16:04,770 --> 01:16:08,640 General Jewish bag Berman, who was involved as well as the 1282 01:16:08,640 --> 01:16:12,900 police chief of Palm Beach who lied. Then we have a woman by 1283 01:16:12,900 --> 01:16:18,660 the name of Jennifer, who implicated Mrs. Maxwell also 1284 01:16:18,660 --> 01:16:22,950 implicated Prince Andrews of England now Andrews of England 1285 01:16:23,070 --> 01:16:27,090 was accused of sucking the tone of this 1415 Euro where they 1286 01:16:27,120 --> 01:16:29,880 whether he did or didn't do is not important. But the point of 1287 01:16:29,880 --> 01:16:33,600 fact is the Windsor family has always lied, cheated and was 1288 01:16:33,600 --> 01:16:37,230 corrupt. They're not Windsors. They're basically German. They 1289 01:16:37,230 --> 01:16:40,380 were pro Nazi Germany in the beginning of World War Two and 1290 01:16:40,380 --> 01:16:43,140 had it not been for Winston Churchill, we would have not had 1291 01:16:43,290 --> 01:16:46,560 a successful England. So what else was compromised? 1292 01:16:46,680 --> 01:16:51,630 Richardson? Bill Richardson in New Mexico, summers of Harvard, 1293 01:16:52,230 --> 01:16:55,320 a whole bunch of other individuals were compromised. 1294 01:16:55,350 --> 01:16:59,910 And as a result of that, the resolution had to be that 1295 01:17:00,180 --> 01:17:06,030 Epstein had committed suicide. In our business we say geese 1296 01:17:06,030 --> 01:17:10,920 excuse SEC use another one he who excuses himself accused as 1297 01:17:10,920 --> 01:17:15,300 himself. And also don't forget paradoxical intention. You all 1298 01:17:15,300 --> 01:17:18,360 will call this a conspiracy. Thank you and good night. 1299 01:17:20,130 --> 01:17:23,250 Adam Curry: I'm not sure other than okay, I've looked yes, 1300 01:17:23,250 --> 01:17:27,390 there's an investigation that DeSantis has called for and 1301 01:17:27,390 --> 01:17:30,210 apparently that's starting to bring out everybody who was 1302 01:17:30,210 --> 01:17:33,990 involved, uh, presumably also Acosta, everybody who wasn't 1303 01:17:33,990 --> 01:17:37,230 involved who was involved with the, with the light sentencing 1304 01:17:37,230 --> 01:17:41,310 and the deal with Epstein is now being investigated. And then of 1305 01:17:41,310 --> 01:17:44,370 course, we saw the documents which have been released. Will 1306 01:17:44,370 --> 01:17:47,820 there be more? I don't know. A Bill Richardson definitely. 1307 01:17:47,820 --> 01:17:51,930 There's some interesting stuff in his past. With the Clintons. 1308 01:17:53,040 --> 01:17:54,840 John C. Dvorak: Yeah, yeah. Him and the Clintons are tight. 1309 01:17:55,050 --> 01:17:55,470 Yeah. 1310 01:17:55,530 --> 01:17:57,990 Adam Curry: And I think they wasn't he also involved in Haiti 1311 01:17:57,990 --> 01:17:59,250 somehow Richardson 1312 01:18:00,270 --> 01:18:02,220 John C. Dvorak: or that but I do. I will say this about what 1313 01:18:02,220 --> 01:18:06,240 Putin acts entire thesis where he kind of met hence the 1314 01:18:06,240 --> 01:18:10,830 possibility saying he's not important. But he hints at the 1315 01:18:10,830 --> 01:18:13,740 possibility and I think he's actually saying that that this 1316 01:18:13,740 --> 01:18:18,960 was an extraction. Yes. In an offhanded way, because you had 1317 01:18:18,960 --> 01:18:22,380 the right people to do it. You had the CIA and the Mossad. Do 1318 01:18:22,380 --> 01:18:25,950 you know and there's and this hospital in mid or is this kind 1319 01:18:25,950 --> 01:18:29,970 of in Midtown in Manhattan hospital I mean, the prison is 1320 01:18:30,060 --> 01:18:34,800 federal prison. And this all took place late in the middle of 1321 01:18:35,100 --> 01:18:39,180 the night and it's suspect and next thing you know this where's 1322 01:18:39,180 --> 01:18:40,200 the body? Yeah. 1323 01:18:41,250 --> 01:18:44,850 Adam Curry: Well, we know one thing identifying marks would be 1324 01:18:44,850 --> 01:18:45,540 the egg 1325 01:18:49,740 --> 01:18:51,510 John C. Dvorak: and nobody really wants to see that 1326 01:18:55,080 --> 01:18:57,900 Adam Curry: well, we await the many indictments to many people 1327 01:18:57,900 --> 01:19:01,440 who aren't the sealed indictments we we await the take 1328 01:19:01,440 --> 01:19:04,920 down of the swamp I am extremely excited not going to hold my 1329 01:19:04,920 --> 01:19:08,640 breath because otherwise it might look like a suicide but he 1330 01:19:08,670 --> 01:19:09,270 will 1331 01:19:09,300 --> 01:19:12,660 John C. Dvorak: not deny it guys we discussed this first started 1332 01:19:12,660 --> 01:19:16,560 up this is a not gonna nothing's gonna happen they they're 1333 01:19:16,770 --> 01:19:19,740 putting the kibosh on it the Chi Bosch one of the ways is 1334 01:19:19,740 --> 01:19:20,250 pronounced 1335 01:19:20,280 --> 01:19:24,360 Adam Curry: I will predict the following we will see at least 1336 01:19:24,390 --> 01:19:29,370 three more people go down one way or the other maybe heart 1337 01:19:29,370 --> 01:19:33,360 attack something else 3 million me people dropping yeah dropping 1338 01:19:33,390 --> 01:19:35,520 going away dropping disappearing whatever 1339 01:19:35,550 --> 01:19:38,640 John C. Dvorak: I I'm not gonna say I can argue against that 1340 01:19:38,640 --> 01:19:42,150 because somebody who knows something about that's not part 1341 01:19:42,150 --> 01:19:47,610 of it. But somebody in the in the prisoners somewhere that 1342 01:19:47,820 --> 01:19:53,250 knows what happened. And I would quit immediately and get out of 1343 01:19:53,250 --> 01:19:53,970 town. Yeah. 1344 01:19:54,780 --> 01:19:58,530 Adam Curry: Anyway, eyes on Geez lane, eyes on Vicki Ward and 1345 01:19:58,560 --> 01:20:00,480 eyes on the egg, everybody Keep 1346 01:20:02,520 --> 01:20:05,610 John C. Dvorak: I would further say just Elaine is going to 1347 01:20:05,640 --> 01:20:08,970 death is going to happen to her. Vicki Ward is going to hold her 1348 01:20:08,970 --> 01:20:11,640 job at CNN for a while and that'll be the end of her and 1349 01:20:11,640 --> 01:20:16,260 she'll be off to do another book. And nothing else would 1350 01:20:16,260 --> 01:20:18,780 come of it except the people's names who get dropped her 1351 01:20:18,780 --> 01:20:21,480 unfortunately mentioned in these documents which are going to be 1352 01:20:21,480 --> 01:20:26,130 released. Well, there's gonna be a lot of guilt by association. 1353 01:20:26,130 --> 01:20:26,580 Yes, 1354 01:20:26,760 --> 01:20:28,950 Adam Curry: yes. As long as we're not in there, then I'm 1355 01:20:28,950 --> 01:20:30,030 happy. Well, 1356 01:20:30,030 --> 01:20:30,960 John C. Dvorak: I'm pretty sure we're not 1357 01:20:31,020 --> 01:20:32,970 Adam Curry: with that. I'd like to thank you for your courage 1358 01:20:32,970 --> 01:20:36,360 and say in the morning to you the man who put the sea in the 1359 01:20:36,360 --> 01:20:39,810 Clinton body count John C. DeVore. AK 1360 01:20:39,960 --> 01:20:42,090 John C. Dvorak: in the morning do Mr. Adam Korean no morning 1361 01:20:42,090 --> 01:20:46,800 all ships to sea feet in the air, some subs in the water. And 1362 01:20:46,800 --> 01:20:48,000 the dameisha nights out there 1363 01:20:48,630 --> 01:20:51,390 Adam Curry: in the morning to our troll room. And they're all 1364 01:20:51,390 --> 01:20:56,220 over the map this morning. We've got about 1300 Trolls standing 1365 01:20:56,220 --> 01:20:59,700 by doing what they do. It's a regular eight chan here for 1366 01:20:59,700 --> 01:21:02,700 chant maybe a to chant one and a half chance sometimes but it is 1367 01:21:02,700 --> 01:21:06,420 no agenda stream.com where you can listen to a great shows like 1368 01:21:06,420 --> 01:21:11,910 this 124 hours a day, seven days a week and many of them live you 1369 01:21:11,910 --> 01:21:15,030 can troll along and in real time. It's a very welcoming 1370 01:21:15,030 --> 01:21:18,690 community. Come on by no agenda stream.com also we'd like to 1371 01:21:18,690 --> 01:21:22,560 thank the artist for episode 1162 The one we did on Thursday 1372 01:21:22,560 --> 01:21:26,790 titled that thank you comrade. And this was a classic comic 1373 01:21:26,790 --> 01:21:32,790 strip blogger win and win for the CSB simplicity rules we were 1374 01:21:32,790 --> 01:21:33,690 talking about 1375 01:21:34,320 --> 01:21:36,990 John C. Dvorak: Wait wait wait CSB is that the same guy? 1376 01:21:37,019 --> 01:21:39,419 Adam Curry: No. He put comics through blogger now he's changed 1377 01:21:39,419 --> 01:21:40,019 his name. You're 1378 01:21:40,020 --> 01:21:42,720 John C. Dvorak: telling me that CSB see as calm 1379 01:21:42,720 --> 01:21:44,010 Adam Curry: I think he may be the same 1380 01:21:44,460 --> 01:21:46,020 John C. Dvorak: you're right it matches up 1381 01:21:48,360 --> 01:21:53,310 Adam Curry: we had we did the story on the the British 1382 01:21:53,310 --> 01:21:59,730 Columbia human rights what is it? The mission now and it's not 1383 01:21:59,730 --> 01:22:04,380 commissioned to better word tribunal. Yes, the tribunal who 1384 01:22:04,380 --> 01:22:09,210 determine if you are violating human rights of someone, for 1385 01:22:09,210 --> 01:22:12,540 instance, who identifies as a woman but wants you to wax their 1386 01:22:12,540 --> 01:22:16,620 private parts. And digital was a stick figure guy with the 1387 01:22:16,620 --> 01:22:21,000 Canadian Maple Leaf are in the right spot. It was well done. We 1388 01:22:21,000 --> 01:22:24,060 cracked up there was no doubt funny, there was no doubt this 1389 01:22:24,060 --> 01:22:29,370 was the one and got a lot of comments on it. guarantee this 1390 01:22:29,370 --> 01:22:32,580 works extremely well when people notice it in their podcast app. 1391 01:22:32,580 --> 01:22:35,940 So thank you for helping us get more reach more people, comic 1392 01:22:35,940 --> 01:22:38,520 strip blogger and obviously thanks to all of the artists who 1393 01:22:38,520 --> 01:22:42,330 participate in our value for value network system and provide 1394 01:22:42,330 --> 01:22:45,600 this kind of value that really makes our show your show our 1395 01:22:45,600 --> 01:22:48,900 show buddy show much better. And you can participate in that 1396 01:22:48,900 --> 01:22:53,910 yourself. Show they'll show at no agenda art generator.com And 1397 01:22:53,940 --> 01:22:55,260 thank you for your courage. 1398 01:22:55,680 --> 01:22:57,900 John C. Dvorak: We did get a big response. I think a lot of the 1399 01:22:57,900 --> 01:23:01,170 reason we did very we had a lot of executive and Associate 1400 01:23:01,170 --> 01:23:04,980 Executive producers we did have a couple meetups which helps but 1401 01:23:05,250 --> 01:23:08,640 I think the Epstein thing people know when something like this 1402 01:23:08,640 --> 01:23:13,260 crops up that they expect us to cover it. Okay, they get they 1403 01:23:13,260 --> 01:23:16,200 start thinking of us think of us when you think of I should think 1404 01:23:16,200 --> 01:23:16,950 of donating 1405 01:23:16,980 --> 01:23:22,410 Adam Curry: well this this adds interesting perspectives which 1406 01:23:22,410 --> 01:23:25,290 is we can get more more guys like this to disappear. 1407 01:23:26,220 --> 01:23:28,920 John C. Dvorak: Yeah, well, good for the show. The app is good 1408 01:23:28,920 --> 01:23:34,710 for the show. Sir mittens of falsities leaves the list here 1409 01:23:34,710 --> 01:23:40,590 with $777 Wow. That's very nice. Damn jets have done my damnedest 1410 01:23:40,590 --> 01:23:43,050 to cut back on the verbosity this time. I do have a humble 1411 01:23:43,050 --> 01:23:46,740 request, though. I've wondered for weeks about the legitimacy 1412 01:23:46,740 --> 01:23:51,210 of dot connecting, conducted by George Webb and John O. Loughlin 1413 01:23:51,360 --> 01:23:56,580 on their respective YouTube feeds. I'm most interested 1414 01:23:56,580 --> 01:24:00,270 however, in Steve Botanics estimation of the research 1415 01:24:00,270 --> 01:24:04,440 presented on those channels. Any chance of playing proxy for me 1416 01:24:04,470 --> 01:24:08,640 uncle Adam? Especially before yesterday's paradoxical 1417 01:24:08,640 --> 01:24:13,080 intention, blurs the boundary between the dimensions and honor 1418 01:24:13,080 --> 01:24:16,770 of Dr. P. A closing quote, look, you already in a jackpot. I'm 1419 01:24:16,770 --> 01:24:19,590 trying to get you out of it. Thank you for your selective 1420 01:24:20,340 --> 01:24:24,480 curative karma to all producers douche and non douche alike. 1421 01:24:24,660 --> 01:24:27,060 Yes, sir. It's a foul city. Well, I 1422 01:24:27,060 --> 01:24:30,450 Adam Curry: feel we gave that to you just moments ago. So I think 1423 01:24:30,450 --> 01:24:34,710 we did that for you. And yeah, I watched George Webb. He does too 1424 01:24:34,710 --> 01:24:37,830 much. It's too long. That is there's too much George Webb 1425 01:24:37,830 --> 01:24:41,310 really. But he has credentials. And the web has credentials. I 1426 01:24:41,310 --> 01:24:43,170 don't know much about John Lachlan, but 1427 01:24:43,200 --> 01:24:45,390 John C. Dvorak: they're buddies that you web in Oloffson. In 1428 01:24:45,390 --> 01:24:50,070 fact, there's a couple of at least one time I've seen on the 1429 01:24:50,070 --> 01:24:54,090 same day together right next to each other talk and they tend to 1430 01:24:54,090 --> 01:25:00,870 be I'm not I can say that I'm not I don't know. Don't pay any 1431 01:25:00,870 --> 01:25:02,490 attention to either one personally 1432 01:25:02,520 --> 01:25:04,560 Adam Curry: Yeah, I certainly don't watch every one of the 1433 01:25:04,560 --> 01:25:07,440 episodes when someone points something out I'll go over but 1434 01:25:08,190 --> 01:25:11,730 it's in a way it's like the no agenda show where there's a lot 1435 01:25:11,730 --> 01:25:14,580 of referrals back to things that you kind of have to pay 1436 01:25:14,580 --> 01:25:18,360 attention but I think there's just too much is overload George 1437 01:25:18,360 --> 01:25:21,540 Webb is overload for me it's just too much content isn't like 1438 01:25:21,540 --> 01:25:23,850 every day he's doing something of an hour. 1439 01:25:25,110 --> 01:25:27,630 John C. Dvorak: So onwards your Patrick Well, hold 1440 01:25:27,630 --> 01:25:32,640 Adam Curry: on, you gotta gotta give out this. A curative fury 1441 01:25:33,060 --> 01:25:34,890 karma to all producers here we go. 1442 01:25:36,330 --> 01:25:37,200 Unknown: You've got 1443 01:25:37,380 --> 01:25:39,150 Adam Curry: carbide user mittens. 1444 01:25:42,150 --> 01:25:43,290 John C. Dvorak: Sir Patrick. 1445 01:25:45,960 --> 01:25:50,730 Sir Patrick of the enormous noggins and Clayton Ohio 56789. 1446 01:25:50,820 --> 01:25:56,730 Nice. This donation brings me to my account attached counting. If 1447 01:25:56,730 --> 01:25:59,190 it pleases the committee, I would like to claim the state of 1448 01:25:59,190 --> 01:26:02,850 Ohio as a protectorate. There's already a Baron of Ohio but it 1449 01:26:02,850 --> 01:26:05,880 looks like overlapping territories are allowed for 1450 01:26:05,880 --> 01:26:09,270 different levels. Yes, this is true. So you can have that. No 1451 01:26:09,270 --> 01:26:12,330 jingles needed but please throw in some karma for the city of 1452 01:26:12,360 --> 01:26:13,350 Dayton. All right. 1453 01:26:15,540 --> 01:26:17,220 Unknown: You've got karma 1454 01:26:21,780 --> 01:26:24,300 John C. Dvorak: to GQ, send a note to Adam from Hanover, 1455 01:26:24,300 --> 01:26:28,200 Maryland. No jingles no karma three or $33.67? Is there 1456 01:26:28,200 --> 01:26:29,400 anything in that? No. Do you have it? 1457 01:26:29,429 --> 01:26:32,789 Adam Curry: Yes, sir. GQ Baron of Maryland and my wife 1458 01:26:32,789 --> 01:26:36,359 Stephanie let it slip she had made a donation for my birthday 1459 01:26:36,389 --> 01:26:44,129 August 12 and the amount of $333 that would put her $333.67 away. 1460 01:26:45,299 --> 01:26:51,389 We made a donation of 3.33 in July 2018 from Dame hood, even 1461 01:26:51,389 --> 01:26:53,879 though she said knighthood in her email I'm making an 1462 01:26:53,879 --> 01:27:00,089 anonymous donation amount of 333 67 as a birthday donation to 1463 01:27:00,089 --> 01:27:00,599 her 1464 01:27:02,250 --> 01:27:05,040 John C. Dvorak: so she gets Dame she's not on the list. No, 1465 01:27:05,490 --> 01:27:09,240 Adam Curry: I guess this this email kind of slipped through 1466 01:27:09,630 --> 01:27:15,180 now it does she is she she does come in with the birthday shout 1467 01:27:15,180 --> 01:27:18,390 out to her husband so they didn't know this of each other. 1468 01:27:19,200 --> 01:27:27,390 Honey, someone spent the rent as very cute as That's love right 1469 01:27:27,390 --> 01:27:30,060 there. So yes. 1470 01:27:32,580 --> 01:27:34,860 John C. Dvorak: Now I like to turn to two people call each 1471 01:27:34,860 --> 01:27:38,100 other as out as douchebags on the same show that both donated 1472 01:27:38,820 --> 01:27:39,360 that's even 1473 01:27:39,360 --> 01:27:41,970 Adam Curry: better. Well, we're gonna hand out a big karma first 1474 01:27:41,970 --> 01:27:44,940 of all, and I think when you get to Stephanie's note more will 1475 01:27:44,940 --> 01:27:45,750 become clearer. 1476 01:27:47,610 --> 01:27:49,290 Unknown: You've got karma 1477 01:27:54,510 --> 01:27:56,850 John C. Dvorak: that sir, G sir de Fuca zotoh by kind of 1478 01:27:56,850 --> 01:28:04,650 America's heartland and Saudi Arabia 333 33 Oh, I'm sorry. 1479 01:28:04,680 --> 01:28:07,200 Yeah, we get no I'm sorry. I'm skipping around here seeing the 1480 01:28:07,200 --> 01:28:12,000 anonymous thing. And I admit I'd Mubarak from my expanded 1481 01:28:12,000 --> 01:28:15,690 holdings. The annual Hodge week has ended in Saudi Arabia's 1482 01:28:15,690 --> 01:28:19,650 enjoying a holiday week off work health and travel karma please 1483 01:28:19,890 --> 01:28:23,370 headed home to visit de melody and Lady Isabella very soon I'm 1484 01:28:23,370 --> 01:28:29,010 trying to get over something picked up a club 33 which we 1485 01:28:29,040 --> 01:28:32,730 posted in one of the newsletters a photo of that place? Genuine 1486 01:28:32,730 --> 01:28:37,890 club 33 in Saudi Arabia or in Egypt it was in Egypt needs 1487 01:28:37,890 --> 01:28:41,850 karma hit it home I had an awful fool oh it's because I'm a he 1488 01:28:41,850 --> 01:28:47,070 had apparently an awful falafel which is nice tile for a Shama 1489 01:28:47,520 --> 01:28:50,220 Adam Curry: keeper and I having dinner with them. And I think 1490 01:28:50,250 --> 01:28:55,110 next week or the week after? Yeah, the coming they're coming 1491 01:28:55,110 --> 01:28:59,910 through Texas and we're gonna have a dinner. So yeah, I'll 1492 01:28:59,910 --> 01:29:02,940 report on that for sure. And here's the world traveler, so 1493 01:29:02,940 --> 01:29:05,610 you should see what he's up to. Exactly. Here is the karma 1494 01:29:05,760 --> 01:29:11,280 request guys. Wait a minute. Karma. I thought we were done. 1495 01:29:11,970 --> 01:29:14,430 John C. Dvorak: I'm not done. I just stopped I just said awful 1496 01:29:14,430 --> 01:29:19,170 falafel. Then he says douchebags don't a keep on keepin on. And 1497 01:29:19,170 --> 01:29:23,220 thank you for your courage. David focus. Okay. No in Saudi 1498 01:29:23,220 --> 01:29:27,630 Arabia, Brian Holcomb, Palo Alto, California 333 33. He was 1499 01:29:27,630 --> 01:29:31,290 actually at the Berkeley meetup and he's dropped off a check and 1500 01:29:31,290 --> 01:29:38,760 left a note. And it's in longhand, so I have to warn in 1501 01:29:38,760 --> 01:29:43,260 advance the affiliates. I want to thank you for preserving my 1502 01:29:43,260 --> 01:29:47,070 sanity since I first began listening and 2015 I was going 1503 01:29:47,070 --> 01:29:51,120 through some tough times and I was searching for a bellwether 1504 01:29:51,180 --> 01:29:56,460 whether of stability it was an auto worker in Michigan I was 1505 01:29:56,460 --> 01:30:01,110 and desperately needed a change in my life and and can rear a 1506 01:30:01,110 --> 01:30:05,850 since you since those Ceridian days I have found my own keeper 1507 01:30:06,090 --> 01:30:10,170 and also just recently found a great job in the biotech field. 1508 01:30:10,590 --> 01:30:14,610 It took a while for the jobs karma to take but I am grateful 1509 01:30:14,610 --> 01:30:19,530 it has the move out of here to Silicon Valley has been out here 1510 01:30:19,530 --> 01:30:23,520 to Silicon Valley has been tough at times, but I have prevailed. 1511 01:30:24,330 --> 01:30:29,970 Tough in terms of costs. I like to call out Melk Mark Han. I 1512 01:30:29,970 --> 01:30:35,760 think it's Hanson's and Dustin bra Baum Baum Bau M as 1513 01:30:35,760 --> 01:30:44,010 douchebag. To double this is my third handwritten note and my 1514 01:30:44,010 --> 01:30:47,670 third install very good by the way, the handwriting the check 1515 01:30:47,670 --> 01:30:52,620 of 333 Tears does this make me a member of the 333 Club? Well, if 1516 01:30:52,620 --> 01:30:56,820 you donate on show 333 It would for good measure and all karma 1517 01:30:56,820 --> 01:31:01,500 to the future. Esquires I have also enclosed three pennies to 1518 01:31:01,500 --> 01:31:04,260 assist in their journey a knighthood Adam will keep those 1519 01:31:04,260 --> 01:31:08,100 pennies for future use. In closing, I would like to do 1520 01:31:08,100 --> 01:31:10,710 follow up I should have mentioned that. I'd like to I'd 1521 01:31:10,710 --> 01:31:14,310 like to be named psoralea Knight of the Santa Clara Valley. Oh, 1522 01:31:14,310 --> 01:31:17,520 he's already okay. We got to put them on the list. I didn't Oh, 1523 01:31:17,520 --> 01:31:17,910 oh, 1524 01:31:17,910 --> 01:31:22,320 Adam Curry: hold on a second. So well, this is Brian Holcomb and 1525 01:31:22,320 --> 01:31:27,630 I have to do some work on them. Yes, 1526 01:31:27,660 --> 01:31:33,510 John C. Dvorak: we wanted to be certainly in his car. ULEAN Hold 1527 01:31:33,510 --> 01:31:33,840 on. 1528 01:31:38,610 --> 01:31:41,430 Adam Curry: Okay, sir. Really? Um, yeah, 1529 01:31:41,549 --> 01:31:44,879 John C. Dvorak: sure. Raelian night of the Santa Clara Valley. 1530 01:31:45,029 --> 01:31:50,999 Okay. And he does have something which you're not going to be 1531 01:31:50,999 --> 01:31:57,269 happy with. Okay, I don't drink or okay. Now y'all says Happy 1532 01:31:57,269 --> 01:32:01,319 anniversary. John. Me. Thanks, Brian. He was just sent your 1533 01:32:01,319 --> 01:32:06,479 cash, which I believe is the bush clip. Respect which is 1534 01:32:06,479 --> 01:32:11,129 probably right there in front of you. And pew pew. Okay, so 1535 01:32:11,640 --> 01:32:15,900 Adam Curry: just send you cash. Isn't that water or blankets? 1536 01:32:15,900 --> 01:32:25,350 Isn't that? Water blankets? It's somewhere else man. This is so 1537 01:32:25,350 --> 01:32:30,390 old. Okay. What's the other one? Pew pew and respect? Okay, 1538 01:32:30,390 --> 01:32:35,280 respect. Get that one. Where's the pew pew? You see, normally 1539 01:32:35,310 --> 01:32:38,940 these days? I've been? I gotta take it to the bank. I don't 1540 01:32:38,940 --> 01:32:42,960 know where the hell that thing is the it's like how long it's 1541 01:32:42,960 --> 01:32:47,190 been since we use that. Maybe? Is it? No, no, I have that one. 1542 01:32:47,250 --> 01:32:48,870 Maybe it's bush. Oh, tell 1543 01:32:48,870 --> 01:32:51,570 John C. Dvorak: them blankets water. Yeah, it's been a while. 1544 01:32:52,020 --> 01:32:56,850 Adam Curry: Since your cash dammit. Well, I'm gonna do one 1545 01:32:56,850 --> 01:33:02,610 more. One more. Look. Let me see if I can find it. Now, I'll have 1546 01:33:02,610 --> 01:33:09,600 to owe that one to ESP I see T 1547 01:33:16,050 --> 01:33:17,670 Unknown: you've got karma. 1548 01:33:19,320 --> 01:33:21,270 Adam Curry: That's very annoying, but I can't find that 1549 01:33:21,270 --> 01:33:21,990 one anymore. 1550 01:33:22,440 --> 01:33:23,970 John C. Dvorak: Here's our coincidence. Stephanie. 1551 01:33:24,060 --> 01:33:30,030 Stephanie Meyer, who is married to Sir GQ. Yeah. Who sent whose 1552 01:33:30,030 --> 01:33:34,620 note you read? Yes. I'd like to send a special birthday shout to 1553 01:33:34,620 --> 01:33:40,470 my amazing husband, sir. GQ, as he turns number of 33 on August 1554 01:33:40,470 --> 01:33:43,530 12. That's interesting. Although he's been a longtime listener, 1555 01:33:43,530 --> 01:33:45,960 one of your biggest fans and birthday boy, this donation will 1556 01:33:45,960 --> 01:33:48,720 be going toward my own knighthood. Thank you both for 1557 01:33:48,720 --> 01:33:52,020 keeping us informed, jingo, requests. 33 is the magic 1558 01:33:52,020 --> 01:34:00,150 number. Thank you. 33. That's the magic. The magic number. 1559 01:34:00,150 --> 01:34:00,210 We're 1560 01:34:03,000 --> 01:34:06,930 Adam Curry: all here to karma as well. You've got karma. Yes. And 1561 01:34:07,020 --> 01:34:11,190 Stephanie. would officially be Dane today. But I'm gonna hold 1562 01:34:11,190 --> 01:34:14,640 off because if we don't have a surprise that she received this 1563 01:34:14,640 --> 01:34:18,180 from her husband. So I think we should hold off until she tells 1564 01:34:18,180 --> 01:34:22,380 us tells us what name she would like to use. And we can do that 1565 01:34:22,380 --> 01:34:24,090 on Thursday show. Does that sound good? 1566 01:34:25,860 --> 01:34:28,260 John C. Dvorak: This will be an executive decision on your part. 1567 01:34:29,340 --> 01:34:32,130 Adam Curry: I blame the Dutch guy, right. Sure. Yeah, I think 1568 01:34:32,130 --> 01:34:34,590 we should do that. Just I just want to make sure it's a big 1569 01:34:34,590 --> 01:34:36,390 deal. People want to have certain things at the 1570 01:34:36,390 --> 01:34:38,580 roundtable. I want to make sure we provide 1571 01:34:38,610 --> 01:34:40,620 John C. Dvorak: right and it's better than doing a make good. 1572 01:34:40,650 --> 01:34:42,270 Adam Curry: Yeah, exactly. Much better than that. 1573 01:34:44,700 --> 01:34:46,740 John C. Dvorak: We'll give her a special send of Orange County 1574 01:34:46,740 --> 01:34:50,400 meetups in a tour is $60. So we have to decide on some of these 1575 01:34:50,400 --> 01:34:52,320 meetups you will want to collect money we have to have a 1576 01:34:52,320 --> 01:34:54,960 designated money collector to send this off you have to be 1577 01:34:54,960 --> 01:34:59,430 pretty responsible. Mentioned Amy Hagen neTea. Illuminati 1578 01:34:59,430 --> 01:35:06,660 Maria Gruber, Heather Fuji Nari and Crystal Darrow all 1579 01:35:06,660 --> 01:35:10,230 contributed. And there is a note on one of them 1580 01:35:10,260 --> 01:35:12,630 Adam Curry: now, tell us about the meetup. How many people were 1581 01:35:12,630 --> 01:35:15,180 there? And I know it was kind of impromptu sets and 1582 01:35:15,180 --> 01:35:18,930 John C. Dvorak: say, what do we need a form? Well, the form one 1583 01:35:18,930 --> 01:35:22,230 of these days, okay, start designing the form. Oh, I 1584 01:35:22,230 --> 01:35:24,060 Adam Curry: thought this was from the oh, this is the OC 1585 01:35:24,060 --> 01:35:26,400 meetup. Right. I'm sorry. I was thinking of the Berkeley meetup. 1586 01:35:26,430 --> 01:35:26,880 Yes. 1587 01:35:27,480 --> 01:35:29,250 John C. Dvorak: No, I incorporate the Berkeley meetup 1588 01:35:29,250 --> 01:35:32,340 into the whole thing. Okay. There is no separate Berkeley 1589 01:35:32,340 --> 01:35:35,190 meetup one in the morning, and thank you for your courage and 1590 01:35:35,190 --> 01:35:38,460 closes a donation of $100. This is in the name of crystal 1591 01:35:38,490 --> 01:35:41,820 Darrow. We like to put our both of our names but crystal feels 1592 01:35:41,820 --> 01:35:44,340 slighted after our other donations have been attributed 1593 01:35:44,340 --> 01:35:48,060 to only Ryan. Moving on. We're both teachers. The reason I'm 1594 01:35:48,060 --> 01:35:50,250 bringing this note normally don't read $100 notes, but this 1595 01:35:50,250 --> 01:35:53,040 is attached to the 260 note and I thought it was worth reading. 1596 01:35:53,580 --> 01:35:56,760 Moving on. We are both teachers who live and work in Santa Ana 1597 01:35:56,760 --> 01:36:00,270 in the Socialist Republic of California, and so are faced 1598 01:36:00,270 --> 01:36:04,200 every day with colleagues whose amygdala is or at varying 1599 01:36:04,200 --> 01:36:08,100 estates of enlargement. Your shows have been a lifeboat of 1600 01:36:08,100 --> 01:36:11,520 sanity in our sea of derangement. I wonder how many 1601 01:36:11,520 --> 01:36:15,240 teachers out there like this? Oh, I think many. We recently 1602 01:36:15,240 --> 01:36:18,120 hosted our first Orange County na meetup much they hosted this 1603 01:36:18,120 --> 01:36:21,120 okay, it went swimmingly. Keep up with the nautical theme. 1604 01:36:21,510 --> 01:36:24,780 Language. This was our first time setting up such an event. 1605 01:36:24,990 --> 01:36:28,380 So of course, we wouldn't expect it to go perfectly. And we were 1606 01:36:28,380 --> 01:36:31,080 very sad to hear that some of the attendees couldn't find out 1607 01:36:31,110 --> 01:36:35,880 find our tables. The next OC meetup will be planned with more 1608 01:36:35,880 --> 01:36:40,380 care. Okay. All right. It was it she goes on to explaining the 1609 01:36:40,890 --> 01:36:43,650 they need a health karma for dad and the beginning of a second 1610 01:36:43,650 --> 01:36:46,560 year current for us, as well to give them a karma. 1611 01:36:49,140 --> 01:36:50,820 Unknown: You've got karma 1612 01:36:54,180 --> 01:36:56,760 John C. Dvorak: she does have seen I think we're good. Okay. 1613 01:36:56,940 --> 01:37:05,040 Onward. Sir Donald murasky. He came in with unusual amount of 1614 01:37:05,040 --> 01:37:08,820 tourist $46.90. But he's still used the United Federation of 1615 01:37:08,820 --> 01:37:11,310 Planets, which I'm sure he's running out of this letterhead. 1616 01:37:11,910 --> 01:37:14,760 Gentlemen, here's my combined donation for two months, July 1617 01:37:14,760 --> 01:37:19,290 and August. Two times 12345. Chairs. Donald Barofsky, Sir 1618 01:37:19,290 --> 01:37:21,660 Donald of the fire bottles. Vikon. Oh, Eastern Washington 1619 01:37:21,660 --> 01:37:21,990 State. 1620 01:37:22,740 --> 01:37:26,790 Adam Curry: I love it. Thank you very much for Donald. Very good. 1621 01:37:27,030 --> 01:37:29,520 As long as it's on the Federation letterhead, then we 1622 01:37:29,520 --> 01:37:33,270 know all as well. Yeah, no idea what the code numbers are. But 1623 01:37:33,270 --> 01:37:33,600 yeah. 1624 01:37:34,440 --> 01:37:37,470 John C. Dvorak: You never know. Sir Paul Schneider in Edmonton, 1625 01:37:37,470 --> 01:37:41,970 Alberta. Please credit me as sure Paul Schneider thanks F Y I 1626 01:37:42,000 --> 01:37:44,430 can be 3333 Okay, 1627 01:37:44,519 --> 01:37:48,839 Adam Curry: so he becomes he is the rule so he becomes an 1628 01:37:48,839 --> 01:37:50,879 executive producer for today's program. 1629 01:37:51,750 --> 01:37:54,390 John C. Dvorak: Aaron Chamberlain has and in a newt 1630 01:37:54,720 --> 01:37:59,970 which I have printed out I did for one for once I did this in 1631 01:37:59,970 --> 01:38:04,710 advance you it's a long note but I'm gonna know if I cut it down 1632 01:38:04,710 --> 01:38:08,520 a little bit sir pot father and trusty sidekick AKA AKA Adam and 1633 01:38:08,520 --> 01:38:12,750 John the trusty sidekick. Next I'd like to get to okay goes. 1634 01:38:13,230 --> 01:38:15,960 I've been freeloading for 1000 episodes. Sorry about that. It's 1635 01:38:15,960 --> 01:38:18,390 time to make amends. Please humbly accept this donation. 1636 01:38:18,390 --> 01:38:23,490 23232. Okay, I like to get some insight of the Dayton shooting. 1637 01:38:23,490 --> 01:38:27,540 I live in Dayton about 10. You love Yeah, just cost. That's 1638 01:38:27,540 --> 01:38:31,410 all. Oh, I live in Dayton about 10 minutes from the shooting. We 1639 01:38:31,410 --> 01:38:34,560 have a personal friend who came to us the Saturday evening after 1640 01:38:34,560 --> 01:38:39,450 the shooting. He was a co worker of the shooter. And he actually 1641 01:38:39,450 --> 01:38:42,840 worked with him the Friday night before. He told us he thought 1642 01:38:42,840 --> 01:38:46,710 the guy was a little odd, but never got the vibe of a ruthless 1643 01:38:46,710 --> 01:38:50,760 killer. Our friend told us about the time he actually went to the 1644 01:38:50,760 --> 01:38:54,360 gun range with the guy and he thinks he held the rifle used in 1645 01:38:54,360 --> 01:38:59,310 the killing. Needless to say our friend is a little shaken up. He 1646 01:38:59,310 --> 01:39:02,190 wasn't best friends with the guy but more than coworkers. He went 1647 01:39:02,190 --> 01:39:06,030 to a concert with the guy just a week before the FBI came to 1648 01:39:06,030 --> 01:39:11,460 question the establishment he worked at Chipotle and offered 1649 01:39:11,460 --> 01:39:14,280 one trauma counseling session for everyone that worked there 1650 01:39:14,280 --> 01:39:16,500 if they needed and any additional sessions that 1651 01:39:16,500 --> 01:39:20,340 insurance would help pay for to pull he's very generous by the 1652 01:39:20,340 --> 01:39:23,040 way they'll let you take as much counseling as you want as long 1653 01:39:23,040 --> 01:39:25,830 as somebody else is paying for it. Our friend is a black man 1654 01:39:25,830 --> 01:39:31,560 who's from Guiana, South America. So if the media 1655 01:39:31,560 --> 01:39:34,530 defaults to calling this racially charged killing spree, 1656 01:39:34,530 --> 01:39:37,890 I would argue the contrary. So nothing to report but I want to 1657 01:39:37,890 --> 01:39:39,630 provide a little insight for the show. 1658 01:39:40,080 --> 01:39:41,130 Adam Curry: That is interesting. 1659 01:39:41,850 --> 01:39:44,700 John C. Dvorak: It is interesting. The wife's birthday 1660 01:39:44,700 --> 01:39:47,430 is a little early August 30s by want to give off you may have to 1661 01:39:47,430 --> 01:39:51,390 sorry about this. I didn't put this on the list to Eric. Okay, 1662 01:39:51,750 --> 01:39:57,420 birthday for my fine fine would cap it all caps Lady Laura 1663 01:39:57,480 --> 01:39:58,500 Chamberlain. 1664 01:39:59,580 --> 01:40:05,760 Adam Curry: Okay. Hey, no age. No. Laura Chamberlin and she 1665 01:40:05,760 --> 01:40:07,020 celebrates on 1666 01:40:07,650 --> 01:40:11,490 John C. Dvorak: the 30th Okay, so dig in a chances 1667 01:40:13,650 --> 01:40:17,460 Adam Curry: I'm in time baby. And that's from ERIN Right? 1668 01:40:18,240 --> 01:40:21,330 John C. Dvorak: I've attached pictures of her dogs Daisy 1669 01:40:21,330 --> 01:40:24,360 elaborate Dean Labrador and get Great Dane and must be something 1670 01:40:24,360 --> 01:40:29,640 in the agency the chiweenie the Mexican hot dog Chihuahua and 1671 01:40:29,640 --> 01:40:33,000 daschund not sure if you'd like to shoot not sure if they like 1672 01:40:33,000 --> 01:40:35,310 to show they definitely like people especially Diddy who will 1673 01:40:35,310 --> 01:40:39,510 pee on you. Also cats do many attentionally one Jean King club 1674 01:40:39,510 --> 01:40:43,950 fattest cat around they use this newsletter Django request you're 1675 01:40:43,950 --> 01:40:45,000 not going to believe this Yeah, 1676 01:40:45,030 --> 01:40:49,530 Adam Curry: no, I believe it's send your cashier in. Yes, but 1677 01:40:49,530 --> 01:40:52,380 it is pew pew pew pew pew Sure. 1678 01:40:52,800 --> 01:40:56,160 John C. Dvorak: And then Obama phone which I have no idea oh 1679 01:40:56,160 --> 01:41:00,450 yeah, we got that. And Thanks Obama and please clap okay got 1680 01:41:00,450 --> 01:41:05,460 the too much to ask. You do the three by three jingle at the end 1681 01:41:05,460 --> 01:41:06,060 of the show. 1682 01:41:07,200 --> 01:41:08,580 Unknown: That's a lot to ask 1683 01:41:14,190 --> 01:41:16,950 John C. Dvorak: I haven't heard that jingle for years. Keep up 1684 01:41:16,950 --> 01:41:19,230 the great work in deconstruction breath of fresh air in this 1685 01:41:19,230 --> 01:41:22,080 sucking society. Pew pew Obama 1686 01:41:22,080 --> 01:41:25,860 Adam Curry: phone Thanks, Obama. And what was the other one? Clap 1687 01:41:25,860 --> 01:41:30,870 Please clap. Please. Clap. I thought we had a very short 1688 01:41:30,870 --> 01:41:35,880 Obama phone. I don't even know why Obama phone Yeah, I know 1689 01:41:35,880 --> 01:41:47,100 what that is. So pew pew president you know Thanks, 1690 01:41:47,100 --> 01:41:51,780 Obama. Please clap. Something like that. You have got 1691 01:41:52,349 --> 01:41:55,109 John C. Dvorak: well Bernie and lip 1692 01:41:55,170 --> 01:42:00,000 Adam Curry: took me a second. Yeah. All right. 1693 01:42:02,280 --> 01:42:05,400 John C. Dvorak: We have anonymous $222.22 1694 01:42:06,120 --> 01:42:13,500 Adam Curry: I got an email. This is Sir American carnage. Yeah. 1695 01:42:13,560 --> 01:42:20,730 And anyway, as his anonymous donation he says he's knows 1696 01:42:20,730 --> 01:42:24,150 John C. Dvorak: the bronze the Bronze Age just for email. 1697 01:42:24,270 --> 01:42:27,570 Adam Curry: Yes, I sent you guys note about acceleration ism in 1698 01:42:27,570 --> 01:42:31,260 the show. We're the same name a few months back I guess we 1699 01:42:31,260 --> 01:42:36,510 didn't pick up on the Bronze Age. mindset which is this book 1700 01:42:36,510 --> 01:42:39,420 slash manifesto which I read which was pointed out to me is 1701 01:42:39,420 --> 01:42:44,400 maybe the motivation for the El Paso shooter at perhaps even 1702 01:42:44,400 --> 01:42:47,340 Christ Church. It was very odd hearing you guys mentioned 1703 01:42:47,340 --> 01:42:50,730 brought Bronze Age pervert. He is the so called author as I 1704 01:42:50,730 --> 01:42:53,610 followed and interacted with him on Twitter for about three 1705 01:42:53,610 --> 01:42:58,590 years. He is part of frog Twitter. That's not Pepe, but 1706 01:42:58,590 --> 01:43:03,450 it's a nice reactionary irony part of Twitter. The best I can 1707 01:43:03,450 --> 01:43:09,150 explain concisely is that some on Iron some iron eat content 1708 01:43:09,150 --> 01:43:13,710 Twitter, someone ironi content Twitter. I guess that's like 1709 01:43:13,710 --> 01:43:17,040 white Twitter Black Twitter irony content Twitter, have 1710 01:43:17,040 --> 01:43:21,210 performance art identities that never break character. Bronze 1711 01:43:21,240 --> 01:43:24,930 Age pervert is one of those. Yeah, I think I figured as much. 1712 01:43:25,170 --> 01:43:28,470 Some are so involved in complex that they even write books under 1713 01:43:28,470 --> 01:43:31,920 their Twitter identity name. Bronze Age pervert has been 1714 01:43:31,920 --> 01:43:34,980 trolling journalists and confounding the blue checkmarks 1715 01:43:34,980 --> 01:43:39,180 on Twitter since before the 2016 election. His book is a meme 1716 01:43:39,180 --> 01:43:43,530 extension of his identity. It's a social commentary under huge 1717 01:43:43,530 --> 01:43:47,610 layers of irony performance. Even the title is a meme joke 1718 01:43:47,610 --> 01:43:51,300 play on the grifter dime a dozen mindset books of the last few 1719 01:43:51,300 --> 01:43:56,070 years John was pretty much right no you hear that John was pretty 1720 01:43:56,070 --> 01:44:00,210 much right I didn't hear that you broke it was John was pretty 1721 01:44:00,210 --> 01:44:03,990 much right and if anyone committed a shooting over baps 1722 01:44:03,990 --> 01:44:07,080 writing that's Braun Jade pervert, then that is super 1723 01:44:07,080 --> 01:44:10,470 cringe and they don't know the ethos of frog Twitter and they 1724 01:44:10,470 --> 01:44:16,590 got trolled. So clearly, we need to shut this shit down because 1725 01:44:16,800 --> 01:44:21,090 for going into areas of performance art that are weird, 1726 01:44:21,990 --> 01:44:25,530 but okay, it makes nothing but sense I think that's a lot of 1727 01:44:25,530 --> 01:44:30,840 what the chances are to is a lot of performance type art. And 1728 01:44:30,840 --> 01:44:34,440 it's it's postmodern art form. And I think that's definitely 1729 01:44:34,500 --> 01:44:37,830 Yeah, and I think that you nailed it and I I definitely had 1730 01:44:37,830 --> 01:44:40,080 my questions like this could be fake. I don't know what's going 1731 01:44:40,080 --> 01:44:46,500 on. So yeah, so I'll ignore I'll ignore it from now on. Because I 1732 01:44:46,500 --> 01:44:49,890 have my time can be spent on better things than reading 98 1733 01:44:49,890 --> 01:44:55,050 pages of the Bronze Age pervert. But thank you, I appreciate the 1734 01:44:55,110 --> 01:44:59,250 appreciate the knowledge. So, again, the more you learn on the 1735 01:44:59,250 --> 01:45:01,140 no agenda show No more you 1736 01:45:01,140 --> 01:45:03,930 John C. Dvorak: learn, yeah. Kimberly Redmond in Toronto, 1737 01:45:03,990 --> 01:45:09,270 Toronto, Ontario to 21. And she writes, thanks for providing me 1738 01:45:09,270 --> 01:45:12,510 with a sanity check. It means more than you know, as a 1739 01:45:12,510 --> 01:45:16,560 marketer. I've been quietly observing as so much unfolds 1740 01:45:16,560 --> 01:45:19,020 behind the scenes. I like watching the Wizard of Oz 1741 01:45:19,020 --> 01:45:21,750 pulling the switches. And all the while people continue to 1742 01:45:21,750 --> 01:45:25,710 argue over partisan issues. It's good to know that there are 1743 01:45:25,710 --> 01:45:28,980 others out there that see There's more than meets the eye. 1744 01:45:29,130 --> 01:45:32,490 Please send some jobs karma as I am relaunching a platform and 1745 01:45:32,490 --> 01:45:36,540 also starting a new venture this year. Hopefully, I can help to 1746 01:45:36,720 --> 01:45:41,940 the Hi, PS. I'm not sure if this is how it works. I sent to 21 1747 01:45:41,940 --> 01:45:45,810 because it adds up to five numerology for freedom and 1748 01:45:45,810 --> 01:45:49,590 change and my number. Sorry, it's not more it's what I can 1749 01:45:49,590 --> 01:45:49,890 afford. 1750 01:45:49,920 --> 01:45:53,070 Adam Curry: No, very happy. Thank you very much, Kimberly, 1751 01:45:53,070 --> 01:45:54,540 and here's your jobs, karma. 1752 01:45:55,080 --> 01:46:03,210 Unknown: Jobs, jobs, jobs and jobs. Let's vote her job. Karma. 1753 01:46:05,280 --> 01:46:06,960 John C. Dvorak: Certain he's been cope and comes here with 1754 01:46:06,960 --> 01:46:10,320 200 bucks with probably the shortest note we've had for a 1755 01:46:10,320 --> 01:46:14,190 while that actually has more content and n j and k, which is 1756 01:46:14,550 --> 01:46:15,720 key. Hi. 1757 01:46:15,870 --> 01:46:22,050 Adam Curry: Yes, that is my pronoun. He ha yeah, 1758 01:46:22,080 --> 01:46:24,690 John C. Dvorak: that's my Primark. Great. Yeah, I get as 1759 01:46:24,690 --> 01:46:30,690 good one too. My pronouns he Ha, Mark. Coolen. coilin colon or 1760 01:46:30,690 --> 01:46:33,960 colon colon. Boy, he said he's Dutch. You can pronounce his and 1761 01:46:34,050 --> 01:46:36,120 he's a weird witness. 1762 01:46:36,150 --> 01:46:38,730 Adam Curry: That's you go to Holland and the cab driver will 1763 01:46:38,730 --> 01:46:42,240 take you right there if you pronounce it like that. Try it 1764 01:46:42,240 --> 01:46:45,510 again. Witness Oh, yeah. Yeah, we're on our way there, sir. 1765 01:46:45,840 --> 01:46:47,640 Vaden this would be closer. 1766 01:46:47,970 --> 01:46:53,850 John C. Dvorak: Vitus one my Dutch guy mocking me. 1767 01:46:54,600 --> 01:46:56,220 Adam Curry: Oh, my Dutch guy accent for this one. 1768 01:46:56,700 --> 01:47:00,510 John C. Dvorak: How you do this guy's name? coilin mark, 1769 01:47:00,600 --> 01:47:07,260 Adam Curry: Colin. Mark, Mark Kerlin. Invade Enos. Hello, 1770 01:47:07,260 --> 01:47:11,640 Shawn and Adam. I've checked my Pay Pal subscription of 1111 a 1771 01:47:11,640 --> 01:47:14,790 month and it seems that knighthood bestowed to my knee 1772 01:47:14,790 --> 01:47:19,230 in 2010 is up for promotion for some time now. Therefore, I'd 1773 01:47:19,230 --> 01:47:22,920 like to claim the title of betternet of East Lake City and 1774 01:47:22,920 --> 01:47:28,140 newly arisen marker Vodun of the lowlands Oh, so this is 1775 01:47:28,140 --> 01:47:31,500 John C. Dvorak: a title change and upgrade is done on the list. 1776 01:47:31,530 --> 01:47:34,560 Adam Curry: Yeah, taste. Oh man. This is what is going on with 1777 01:47:34,560 --> 01:47:39,660 the back office. Please get my company seed care, a seed 1778 01:47:39,660 --> 01:47:43,950 production company a plug and some seed growing karma. 1779 01:47:43,980 --> 01:47:48,450 Greetings from Mark Colin Vaden s in the Netherlands. So seed 1780 01:47:48,450 --> 01:47:51,870 care I didn't give us a URL but here comes your karma for sure. 1781 01:47:53,190 --> 01:47:58,350 You've got karma. So we have Mark Cohen just get this right. 1782 01:47:58,500 --> 01:48:01,710 John C. Dvorak: I wonder what Billy what's a plug for seed 1783 01:48:01,710 --> 01:48:07,080 care? Yeah. With no URL now it's probably code 1784 01:48:07,110 --> 01:48:14,010 Adam Curry: so it's Mark colon. Go becomes Barrow net. What is 1785 01:48:14,010 --> 01:48:15,510 it John, can you read that for me? 1786 01:48:16,710 --> 01:48:19,410 John C. Dvorak: He wants to be the title Baronet of East Lake 1787 01:48:19,410 --> 01:48:27,060 City. Okay. And then oh, and the newly arisen marker Vodun Oh, 1788 01:48:27,060 --> 01:48:28,500 yeah. Okay, the low lands 1789 01:48:28,530 --> 01:48:32,460 Adam Curry: newly arisen marker vault and I think this is new 1790 01:48:32,460 --> 01:48:33,300 land that has 1791 01:48:34,710 --> 01:48:37,740 Unknown: appeared in The Netherlands From which molded 1792 01:48:38,070 --> 01:48:38,430 molded 1793 01:48:39,030 --> 01:48:43,410 Adam Curry: from the rising sea level. Somehow there's more land 1794 01:48:43,410 --> 01:48:46,320 now I'm not sure what's going on. I'll look as it makes sense. 1795 01:48:46,350 --> 01:48:49,530 No, not really not in the narrative. All right, Mark, 1796 01:48:49,530 --> 01:48:52,650 thank you very much. No, Carmen, no 1797 01:48:52,650 --> 01:48:56,490 John C. Dvorak: nothing. Steven Kunkel in Atlanta Georgia Sir 1798 01:48:56,490 --> 01:49:00,150 Stephen how not mistaken today's own guest not is going to be Sir 1799 01:49:00,150 --> 01:49:02,700 Stephen today's donation She trusted me over the knighthood 1800 01:49:02,730 --> 01:49:07,950 bar. I'd like to request the no no chicken dance jingle. thanks 1801 01:49:07,950 --> 01:49:11,790 from you know that when I do that, did it yeah. Thanks for 1802 01:49:11,790 --> 01:49:14,100 making the no agenda show something I look forward to on 1803 01:49:14,100 --> 01:49:16,800 both Thursdays of each week. You've given me a fresh 1804 01:49:16,800 --> 01:49:20,190 perspective on a lot of random topics and more importantly, an 1805 01:49:20,190 --> 01:49:23,220 approach to dissecting the current events that are pushed 1806 01:49:23,220 --> 01:49:27,420 on us for some cases completely or in some cases completely 1807 01:49:27,420 --> 01:49:33,120 ignored by the mainstream media and 5am. For my night name, I'd 1808 01:49:33,120 --> 01:49:37,020 like to request cirrhosis. Pronounced cirrhosis. Okay, 1809 01:49:37,020 --> 01:49:41,040 cirrhosis. Like cirrhosis of the liver. These guys in their puns 1810 01:49:41,370 --> 01:49:44,040 have broken you guys aren't taking it seriously. Yeah, they 1811 01:49:44,040 --> 01:49:46,710 Adam Curry: are. Very seriously. 1812 01:49:46,950 --> 01:49:50,370 John C. Dvorak: In the name if the name is taken, it's not and 1813 01:49:50,370 --> 01:49:52,950 by the way, you can we can knights can have duplicate 1814 01:49:52,950 --> 01:49:57,600 names. Yes. I'll go with Sir. Gipper by having the Oh 1815 01:49:57,599 --> 01:50:00,959 Adam Curry: no, sir cirrhosis of Brooke Cavan is where we're 1816 01:50:00,959 --> 01:50:02,969 that's what we're going with, sir. Okay, but 1817 01:50:02,970 --> 01:50:05,580 John C. Dvorak: he talks about some hybrid sheep. Anyway, for 1818 01:50:05,580 --> 01:50:09,900 my knighting ceremony, I'd like some dirt cake. Yeah, got it. A 1819 01:50:09,900 --> 01:50:15,450 sixer of tropicalia IPA from creature comforts brewing. And 1820 01:50:15,450 --> 01:50:20,070 three Posthuma cotton candy flavored jewel pod. Well, you're 1821 01:50:20,070 --> 01:50:27,750 gonna get two of these items. Wow. Over the eye chart, but 1822 01:50:28,020 --> 01:50:38,220 Kalea IPA and the dirt cake. Okay. Got it. Got it. Give him a 1823 01:50:38,220 --> 01:50:39,360 random karma. Yes. 1824 01:50:40,380 --> 01:50:43,590 Adam Curry: I don't want to argue. You've got karma but I 1825 01:50:43,590 --> 01:50:47,460 will take the three puffs for you. I'll do that. No problem. 1826 01:50:47,580 --> 01:50:48,180 Thank you. Lee 1827 01:50:48,180 --> 01:50:50,610 John C. Dvorak: does have a jewel, Susie Brown and 1828 01:50:50,610 --> 01:50:55,530 Barnesville the Wisconsin 200 should have pronunciation could 1829 01:50:55,530 --> 01:50:57,450 be better but she's actually from Madison. So 1830 01:50:58,290 --> 01:51:01,530 Adam Curry: it's, well, it's Barneveld which is fine Dutch 1831 01:51:01,530 --> 01:51:02,280 name actually. 1832 01:51:02,640 --> 01:51:05,160 John C. Dvorak: Okay, there's Sonya Boson Berg from Madison, 1833 01:51:05,160 --> 01:51:08,430 Wisconsin. Easier to pronounce and the other name. Thank you 1834 01:51:08,430 --> 01:51:11,580 for keeping me sane. My coworkers watch CNN all night 1835 01:51:11,640 --> 01:51:16,680 long. May I come? May I get some health karma from my husband as 1836 01:51:16,680 --> 01:51:19,530 he struggles with ALS. Love and Light Yes of 1837 01:51:19,530 --> 01:51:20,940 Adam Curry: course. Absolutely. 1838 01:51:23,130 --> 01:51:24,810 Unknown: You've got karma 1839 01:51:29,070 --> 01:51:33,120 John C. Dvorak: we have James Kuhn in North Chesterfield, 1840 01:51:34,140 --> 01:51:44,400 Virginia $200 and he is actually k four g i v 7370 threes 1841 01:51:44,400 --> 01:51:46,410 Adam Curry: kilo five Alpha Charlie Charlie 1842 01:51:47,099 --> 01:51:49,349 John C. Dvorak: it's been far too long since my last donation 1843 01:51:49,349 --> 01:51:52,049 please de douche me keep up the great deconstruction of the M 1844 01:51:52,049 --> 01:51:55,199 five M No jingles just some karma. Energy Do 1845 01:51:56,970 --> 01:52:02,250 Unknown: you spend deed do? You got karma? 1846 01:52:05,820 --> 01:52:10,110 John C. Dvorak: We have Earth anon. Who is our last donor he 1847 01:52:10,110 --> 01:52:13,680 was at the meet up and he left a note and $200 He's a very 1848 01:52:13,680 --> 01:52:17,970 interesting character. He is a scientist and he's he's a 1849 01:52:17,970 --> 01:52:24,060 student at University of California Merced. I've been a 1850 01:52:24,060 --> 01:52:28,770 listener says show a dozen No. to 15 He thinks I came across 1851 01:52:28,770 --> 01:52:37,080 the show from slack a hashtag hashtag startups on Freenode. 1852 01:52:37,080 --> 01:52:42,600 IRC. Haha. That's what I said. That's interesting. So I thought 1853 01:52:43,170 --> 01:52:46,980 please deduce me as this contribution is long overdue. 1854 01:52:48,990 --> 01:52:53,430 You've been de deuced again quite contrary what I think is 1855 01:52:53,430 --> 01:52:58,710 fair for a broke grad student but if I can return value, so 1856 01:52:58,710 --> 01:53:06,120 can anyone else time to stop freeloading. My background is in 1857 01:53:06,120 --> 01:53:11,640 environmental engineering and I was I was raised Jewish printed 1858 01:53:11,640 --> 01:53:15,570 is very small. I was first finished my MS and environmental 1859 01:53:15,570 --> 01:53:18,750 systems at one of our wonderful University of California 1860 01:53:18,750 --> 01:53:23,580 campuses. Currently I'm pursuing my PhD in computer science with 1861 01:53:23,580 --> 01:53:28,230 a focus on sustainability approaching approaches for 1862 01:53:28,230 --> 01:53:37,980 robots wow, I am a robot I am sustainable you must die. If I 1863 01:53:37,980 --> 01:53:43,140 was smarter I'd be working on the FAI AI L goes problem but 1864 01:53:43,500 --> 01:53:48,600 most post most importantly they are is to work hard to get I 1865 01:53:48,600 --> 01:53:52,980 can't read this part. Yes. I am also 1866 01:53:54,480 --> 01:53:56,520 Adam Curry: I don't know what's worse what he's writing Are you 1867 01:53:56,520 --> 01:53:59,130 struggle actually, it's funnier to hear you try and read it. 1868 01:53:59,669 --> 01:54:04,019 John C. Dvorak: Yeah. Do you want to give up? I would I would 1869 01:54:04,019 --> 01:54:05,309 have I would have 1870 01:54:06,420 --> 01:54:11,550 much more to say but this is this isn't enough. I had to hit 1871 01:54:11,550 --> 01:54:16,140 people in the mouth when surrounded by a bunch of elites, 1872 01:54:16,560 --> 01:54:22,830 especially with your something of something. But I will say 1873 01:54:23,370 --> 01:54:30,330 regarding future climate, the papers and reports are or 1874 01:54:30,330 --> 01:54:33,840 evidence or bullshit. I can't read this. Well hitters are 1875 01:54:33,840 --> 01:54:37,680 right. Not the hitters are not the headings are not also the 1876 01:54:37,680 --> 01:54:39,030 number of I have to get him to 1877 01:54:39,030 --> 01:54:42,450 Adam Curry: retain you know what John? I would say as a cold read 1878 01:54:42,450 --> 01:54:43,410 that was well done. 1879 01:54:44,700 --> 01:54:48,420 John C. Dvorak: is more than what very funny, 1880 01:54:48,510 --> 01:54:50,850 Adam Curry: you know, what am I gonna say it's painful to listen 1881 01:54:50,850 --> 01:54:54,480 to. I want to I'm trying to help us get out. Let's get out. Let's 1882 01:54:54,480 --> 01:54:57,600 get out of it. I mean, you got to he's got to read write it or 1883 01:54:57,600 --> 01:54:58,320 something's got 1884 01:54:58,320 --> 01:55:00,450 John C. Dvorak: to happen. Now he might have The jingle 1885 01:55:00,450 --> 01:55:01,260 requests let me see. 1886 01:55:01,710 --> 01:55:03,630 Adam Curry: Well, while you're looking at I'm going to play the 1887 01:55:03,660 --> 01:55:07,020 chicken dance Obama that we glossed over. This is a rowdy 1888 01:55:07,020 --> 01:55:13,920 crowd. Come on, guys. You're in my house. Oh, hold on saying. 1889 01:55:16,230 --> 01:55:22,290 Oh, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. No, no, no, no, no. 1890 01:55:23,580 --> 01:55:26,220 Unknown: Hey, okay, you 1891 01:55:26,220 --> 01:55:29,070 know what? Shame on you. You shouldn't be doing this. 1892 01:55:31,140 --> 01:55:33,420 John C. Dvorak: All right, Isa guy and no jingles, no karma. So 1893 01:55:33,420 --> 01:55:35,910 that's good. Let's give him a karma for my bad reading. And 1894 01:55:35,910 --> 01:55:39,000 I'll ask him, because he's a earth sciences guy get his PhD 1895 01:55:39,000 --> 01:55:41,130 in computer science. It's not not a dummy. 1896 01:55:41,190 --> 01:55:43,920 Adam Curry: No, it just sounds like it's whatever he wrote is 1897 01:55:43,920 --> 01:55:44,460 not read. 1898 01:55:44,730 --> 01:55:46,650 Unknown: Like a doctor. Yeah. Oh, well, that's 1899 01:55:46,650 --> 01:55:50,280 the problem right there. Got it. You've got karma. 1900 01:55:52,500 --> 01:55:54,720 John C. Dvorak: And that's a list of Associate Executive 1901 01:55:54,720 --> 01:55:58,320 producers and executive producers for show levels. 63 1902 01:55:58,320 --> 01:56:00,180 want to thank each and every one of them. There's a good list 1903 01:56:00,180 --> 01:56:03,600 today. Good pile of them. Keeping this show going. 1904 01:56:03,660 --> 01:56:05,610 Adam Curry: Yes. And these executive producer Associate 1905 01:56:05,610 --> 01:56:08,520 Executive producer credits are just like Hollywood. In fact, 1906 01:56:08,520 --> 01:56:11,850 this was pretty much like a Tarantino movie. We have a whole 1907 01:56:11,850 --> 01:56:15,810 lot of producers and but very proud to see this. Thank you so 1908 01:56:15,810 --> 01:56:20,490 much, especially in the in the summer. It's fantastic to have 1909 01:56:20,490 --> 01:56:23,340 this kind of support. That really helps a lot. Thank you. 1910 01:56:23,610 --> 01:56:26,760 And we will be thanking more of our donors, although that list 1911 01:56:26,760 --> 01:56:30,750 is considerably shorter. For the 50 and above and our second 1912 01:56:30,750 --> 01:56:33,960 segment, I did want to add a quick note. For those of you who 1913 01:56:33,960 --> 01:56:36,930 are new and you hear about this karma, people want jobs karma, 1914 01:56:36,930 --> 01:56:41,400 health karma, something we didn't make up, but we gladly 1915 01:56:41,400 --> 01:56:44,790 provide it when asked so we play the jingle and somehow 1916 01:56:44,910 --> 01:56:48,570 collective conscious does seem to work Matt and Ashley lazarey. 1917 01:56:48,570 --> 01:56:52,620 You'll remember their notes. In fact, I'll read this one from 1918 01:56:52,770 --> 01:56:56,850 from Matt and Ashley health karma works. You graciously 1919 01:56:56,850 --> 01:56:59,910 granted my wife Ashley, a well timed and much needed health 1920 01:56:59,910 --> 01:57:05,130 karma on show 1158 I'm pleased to report back it worked for 1921 01:57:05,130 --> 01:57:07,890 surgery on August 5 was according to the neurosurgeon 1922 01:57:07,890 --> 01:57:11,460 procedurally perfect, she has been recovering so well that she 1923 01:57:11,460 --> 01:57:14,640 was transferred to the physical therapy rehab facility two days 1924 01:57:14,670 --> 01:57:17,910 earlier than they had originally planned. Most of her symptoms 1925 01:57:17,910 --> 01:57:20,520 have been greatly reduced or eliminated and the doctor said 1926 01:57:20,520 --> 01:57:23,490 she can expect to see continued improvements over the next week 1927 01:57:23,490 --> 01:57:26,700 or so these results are literally the best that we could 1928 01:57:26,700 --> 01:57:30,060 have hoped for, and was by no means a guaranteed outcome. 1929 01:57:30,270 --> 01:57:33,240 Ashley and I want to give you John in the entire no agenda 1930 01:57:33,240 --> 01:57:37,560 nation, a giant Thank you. We are incredibly, quote privileged 1931 01:57:37,560 --> 01:57:40,350 to be associated with this amazing group of people. No 1932 01:57:40,350 --> 01:57:43,770 agenda truly is the best podcast in the universe. Thank you for 1933 01:57:43,770 --> 01:57:46,890 your courage Matt and Ashley lazarey. The fact that I'm very 1934 01:57:46,890 --> 01:57:50,310 happy about that. I don't know if karma has anything to do with 1935 01:57:50,310 --> 01:57:53,670 it. But you know, can't hurt as they pointed out in their 1936 01:57:53,670 --> 01:57:58,170 original note. So that's good news. And again, for those of 1937 01:57:58,170 --> 01:58:01,560 you who would like to support the show for the next episode, 1938 01:58:01,560 --> 01:58:06,150 which is on Thursday, just go to boruch.org/n 1939 01:58:06,240 --> 01:58:09,840 A now one thing about her as scientists they're hard to read 1940 01:58:10,110 --> 01:58:10,980 propagated 1941 01:58:11,040 --> 01:58:15,450 Unknown: our formula is this we go out we get people in the 1942 01:58:15,450 --> 01:58:15,750 mouth 1943 01:58:32,070 --> 01:58:34,650 you Yeah, there we go. 1944 01:58:36,450 --> 01:58:39,630 John C. Dvorak: So you know that we gotta plug somebody finally. 1945 01:58:39,660 --> 01:58:43,050 Adam Curry: Oh, yes, yes, yes. Yes. I did. You I have it. I 1946 01:58:43,050 --> 01:58:46,020 have a clip. Do you have a clip? I got a clip. I have two clips, 1947 01:58:46,080 --> 01:58:48,150 or we got two clips. And then let's take your clips. 1948 01:58:48,510 --> 01:58:50,880 John C. Dvorak: Yeah, Jen Briony of the 1949 01:58:52,170 --> 01:58:56,670 Adam Curry: congressional dish podcast. Who? Who has really 1950 01:58:56,670 --> 01:59:00,900 been your your protege and I'll say it. You have worked with her 1951 01:59:00,930 --> 01:59:04,110 John C. Dvorak: helped her on learn on a number of things. But 1952 01:59:06,060 --> 01:59:11,040 I like her podcast. She's a she is a left leaning Bernie fan but 1953 01:59:11,040 --> 01:59:13,830 she doesn't like to mention that and when she talks about 1954 01:59:13,830 --> 01:59:17,790 herself, but she goes on the C span show one of the college 1955 01:59:17,790 --> 01:59:21,210 shows they had a whole bunch of people that came on that would 1956 01:59:21,210 --> 01:59:25,080 did a whole bunch like three or four that came on that debt that 1957 01:59:25,080 --> 01:59:29,670 are podcasters that do political shows. We could have been 1958 01:59:29,670 --> 01:59:30,270 invited 1959 01:59:31,890 --> 01:59:40,260 Adam Curry: to Sure. We work imagine those phone calls. Yes, 1960 01:59:40,260 --> 01:59:42,870 we have Adam Craig Johnson of work here from the no agenda 1961 01:59:42,870 --> 01:59:48,540 show and let's go to the caller the first one. Epstein's got an 1962 01:59:48,540 --> 01:59:52,350 egg Dick none of that's ever gonna ever. 1963 01:59:53,070 --> 01:59:55,560 John C. Dvorak: We might have trouble but she came in she gave 1964 01:59:55,560 --> 01:59:56,520 us a little plug. 1965 01:59:56,550 --> 01:59:59,700 Adam Curry: Wait wait. Jeffrey Epstein. Now I got it took me a 1966 01:59:59,700 --> 02:00:00,000 moment. 1967 02:00:02,040 --> 02:00:04,170 John C. Dvorak: gave us a little plug. And then she did. She also 1968 02:00:04,170 --> 02:00:07,950 followed through with this secondary catch, which I would 1969 02:00:07,950 --> 02:00:11,100 call. But let's listen to Brian II on advertising 1970 02:00:11,130 --> 02:00:13,830 Unknown: I see in the corporate media is that they are serving 1971 02:00:13,830 --> 02:00:16,410 advertisers, they see advertisers as their customers. 1972 02:00:16,680 --> 02:00:21,930 And so there's a, there's a passive corruption in that 1973 02:00:21,930 --> 02:00:24,150 because you don't want to bite the hand that feeds you. And so 1974 02:00:24,150 --> 02:00:27,090 that determines which stories you pick to cover. And I just 1975 02:00:27,090 --> 02:00:30,270 didn't want to do that. And so I essentially crowdfund my 1976 02:00:30,270 --> 02:00:33,660 podcast, I call it the value for value model, which was actually, 1977 02:00:34,140 --> 02:00:37,530 it was perfected by Adam curry, and John C. Dvorak. They host 1978 02:00:37,530 --> 02:00:40,980 the no agenda. So I mean, it's their model, but I am copying 1979 02:00:40,980 --> 02:00:45,000 them. And basically, what I do is I produce something of value. 1980 02:00:45,150 --> 02:00:47,730 And I think there's a lot of value in knowing what's going on 1981 02:00:47,730 --> 02:00:51,210 in the lawmaking part of our government. And in return, I 1982 02:00:51,210 --> 02:00:54,360 asked people to return whatever value they receive in financial 1983 02:00:54,360 --> 02:00:56,850 forum and my wonderful community does. 1984 02:00:57,660 --> 02:01:01,260 Adam Curry: And you know, what? Well done. Well explained. I 1985 02:01:01,260 --> 02:01:04,770 liked it. It was very concise. What I thought was you clip that 1986 02:01:04,770 --> 02:01:11,490 off, understandably, I liked the guy's response to that. Very, I 1987 02:01:11,490 --> 02:01:14,490 thought very interesting, the way we're funding it, which is 1988 02:01:14,490 --> 02:01:17,850 something different. Let's just listen to how he responded to 1989 02:01:17,850 --> 02:01:18,330 that 1990 02:01:18,360 --> 02:01:21,360 Unknown: financial forum. And my wonderful community does 1991 02:01:21,990 --> 02:01:23,580 have been working for six years then. 1992 02:01:25,020 --> 02:01:30,090 Financially, it's been working for maybe two years. Shannon has 1993 02:01:30,090 --> 02:01:30,540 at first 1994 02:01:32,460 --> 02:01:34,110 Adam Curry: and let's take some calls. Yeah. Okay. 1995 02:01:34,650 --> 02:01:36,180 John C. Dvorak: Yeah, he's like He would I don't even know he's 1996 02:01:36,180 --> 02:01:38,940 listening. Now. Of course, he's not. He's definitely missed 1997 02:01:38,940 --> 02:01:42,330 this. This was an I thought it was good that Brian he caught 1998 02:01:42,330 --> 02:01:46,590 it. She kind of smiled and thought it was funny. And this 1999 02:01:46,590 --> 02:01:49,590 is one of the Justin, one of our apparently one of our listeners, 2000 02:01:49,590 --> 02:01:54,300 who calls in and starts with Bernie pointing out like, sorry, 2001 02:01:55,440 --> 02:01:57,480 Bernie pointed that out. Like, this is why 2002 02:01:57,480 --> 02:01:58,620 Unknown: I like Bernie. So let's hear 2003 02:01:58,620 --> 02:02:01,560 from Justin Justin's here in Washington, DC. Hi, there in the 2004 02:02:01,560 --> 02:02:02,700 morning. Good morning. 2005 02:02:02,940 --> 02:02:03,750 Good morning to you. 2006 02:02:06,120 --> 02:02:09,030 Adam Curry: I saw somewhere else on the comments on the like New 2007 02:02:09,030 --> 02:02:13,080 York Times about Epstein Epstein. Someone wrote a was 2008 02:02:13,080 --> 02:02:17,220 hag, the Hillary assassination group and like it was great. 2009 02:02:18,060 --> 02:02:23,790 We're finally seeping into culture. Well, I love that all 2010 02:02:23,790 --> 02:02:27,570 15 people who watch C span were exposed to our model. And that's 2011 02:02:27,570 --> 02:02:30,180 very an actually, I think there may be more people watching that 2012 02:02:30,180 --> 02:02:33,420 than you think because a lot of people either maybe they didn't 2013 02:02:33,420 --> 02:02:36,450 catch it. Maybe they just thought posted somewhere. But I 2014 02:02:36,450 --> 02:02:39,570 got a lot of people sending this to me. So I wonder if that show 2015 02:02:39,570 --> 02:02:41,460 is really well watched perhaps. 2016 02:02:43,650 --> 02:02:46,170 John C. Dvorak: Yeah, what am I have no idea. They don't give 2017 02:02:46,170 --> 02:02:51,990 numbers. They don't need to they don't. Anyway, but I thought it 2018 02:02:51,990 --> 02:02:54,450 was cute that she would she played along with the in the 2019 02:02:54,450 --> 02:02:57,900 morning? Yes. Which was a plus. And that, you know, she dropped 2020 02:02:57,900 --> 02:03:00,300 the ball on that I would have been very disappointed. Of 2021 02:03:00,300 --> 02:03:02,010 course, the other guy didn't know what the hell was going on. 2022 02:03:02,220 --> 02:03:06,360 Yeah. Okay, onward. 2023 02:03:06,480 --> 02:03:11,280 Adam Curry: Yes. Let me see where we want to pick things up. 2024 02:03:12,780 --> 02:03:16,350 What was interesting, and always happens is the complete news 2025 02:03:16,350 --> 02:03:21,750 cycle shift. I mean, it was just it blew over the weather, a 2026 02:03:21,750 --> 02:03:25,470 couple of things going on. We had multiple mass shootings, we 2027 02:03:25,470 --> 02:03:34,680 had the rather massive raid on one company that how do they 2028 02:03:34,680 --> 02:03:40,590 pick up like 680 people released several 100 Almost immediately, 2029 02:03:40,590 --> 02:03:43,950 but they had outstanding warrants for multiple offenders. 2030 02:03:45,840 --> 02:03:51,930 And I think just before the Epstein news happened, this was 2031 02:03:51,960 --> 02:03:56,430 I just wanted to play it because it was such an incredible use of 2032 02:03:56,460 --> 02:03:59,640 well, abuse of children, which, you know, we do track quite a 2033 02:03:59,640 --> 02:04:04,380 bit. We still have Greta Thornburg out there who's 2034 02:04:06,540 --> 02:04:09,210 John C. Dvorak: very concerned about it. Yeah. And 2035 02:04:09,210 --> 02:04:13,050 Adam Curry: she's, she's really being abused. I feel we both 2036 02:04:13,050 --> 02:04:13,860 feel probably, 2037 02:04:13,950 --> 02:04:15,390 John C. Dvorak: I'm concerned for her life. 2038 02:04:15,450 --> 02:04:18,240 Adam Curry: Well, as she's taken that, you know, cross ocean 2039 02:04:18,240 --> 02:04:23,520 sailing trip on it, what isn't a 50 foot? You know, competitive 2040 02:04:23,520 --> 02:04:26,040 sailing yachts did not going to come 2041 02:04:26,070 --> 02:04:28,710 John C. Dvorak: those are not it's not something you want to 2042 02:04:28,710 --> 02:04:32,850 go across the ocean in no adults. You're a pro, sort of a 2043 02:04:32,850 --> 02:04:33,630 professional. 2044 02:04:34,590 --> 02:04:36,630 Adam Curry: And in fact, you know, we've we've started using 2045 02:04:37,080 --> 02:04:42,540 this tactic to do increase our own support by abusing children 2046 02:04:42,540 --> 02:04:46,590 from Australia to read sad notes, and clearly it's working. 2047 02:04:46,590 --> 02:04:49,950 So I can't say that's a bad thing. And I don't care if a 2048 02:04:49,950 --> 02:04:53,070 father like Chris Wilson, Sir Chris Wilson abuses his kid, 2049 02:04:53,070 --> 02:04:55,740 that's fine. We didn't know each other. It 2050 02:04:55,740 --> 02:04:57,450 John C. Dvorak: seems to be getting a kid that kid is too 2051 02:04:57,450 --> 02:05:01,680 old. abused. I think Christmas he's more likely to be knifed by 2052 02:05:01,680 --> 02:05:07,350 the kid now he's Aussies are tough. 2053 02:05:07,499 --> 02:05:11,369 Adam Curry: So there was this ice raid. And I guess this was 2054 02:05:11,429 --> 02:05:15,269 not the first time they'd rated this company although the way 2055 02:05:15,269 --> 02:05:18,719 the the M five M played it it was like, oh my god this is no 2056 02:05:18,749 --> 02:05:21,239 it's like the Nazis coming to get the Jews and it's 2057 02:05:21,269 --> 02:05:26,939 unbelievable. And and the kids who were the first day in school 2058 02:05:26,939 --> 02:05:29,759 know they had no parents to come home to which turns out wasn't 2059 02:05:29,759 --> 02:05:33,869 true. Everyone was asked Do you have a child in school, someone 2060 02:05:33,869 --> 02:05:36,899 who was going to be alone, they were sent home immediately, they 2061 02:05:36,899 --> 02:05:39,659 were released immediately as per the spokes holes who were 2062 02:05:39,659 --> 02:05:43,139 talking about this. But that's not the way to imply them like 2063 02:05:43,139 --> 02:05:46,289 to play it in general. He was really all about the children 2064 02:05:46,289 --> 02:05:50,369 not about what these these people had been. Had many of 2065 02:05:50,369 --> 02:05:52,949 them hundreds of them had entered the country illegally 2066 02:05:52,949 --> 02:05:57,749 multiple times. And now forget about that. It was unbelievable 2067 02:05:57,749 --> 02:06:01,559 how mean they were. Because this affects children. It's always 2068 02:06:01,559 --> 02:06:04,619 about that children. Now we don't even talk about the 2069 02:06:04,619 --> 02:06:09,509 children of legal citizens whose parents OD or parent get 2070 02:06:09,509 --> 02:06:12,989 arrested or broken families or domestic violence. You don't 2071 02:06:12,989 --> 02:06:15,359 hear much about the children from the M five and when it 2072 02:06:15,359 --> 02:06:19,259 comes to that. But oh, we found one everybody, we found the one 2073 02:06:19,259 --> 02:06:22,409 child and everyone had a microphone in front of her face. 2074 02:06:24,269 --> 02:06:32,219 So we've made them to be read daily videos. They had the 2075 02:06:32,219 --> 02:06:45,089 subtitle and it of course many people use inside the company. 2076 02:06:47,189 --> 02:06:51,479 Now, you watch this video. And you know the comments range from 2077 02:06:51,509 --> 02:06:55,349 you know, the outrage, you'd expect to Ah, she's acting and 2078 02:06:55,649 --> 02:06:59,579 it doesn't matter. Either way, it's an abuse of a child and 2079 02:06:59,579 --> 02:07:04,199 then to use this child for your political statement is 2080 02:07:04,199 --> 02:07:09,269 disgusting. And I wish I wish we talked about children more, and 2081 02:07:09,299 --> 02:07:14,129 children who were suffering of the citizens of the country. But 2082 02:07:14,129 --> 02:07:20,399 no, that seems to not be the talking point. So that's kind of 2083 02:07:20,399 --> 02:07:23,909 where we left some things off. There were some 2020 stuff. 2084 02:07:25,469 --> 02:07:29,369 There. Actually, I would like to play this. Austin had their 2085 02:07:30,119 --> 02:07:36,089 monthly city council meeting. Ah, yes. And they're on 2086 02:07:36,089 --> 02:07:39,389 Thursdays, which is sad, because I can't really go although if 2087 02:07:39,389 --> 02:07:44,579 I'd known that the schedule would eventually wind up ending 2088 02:07:44,609 --> 02:07:49,589 eight hours later than planned. Ie I have a piece of audio here 2089 02:07:49,799 --> 02:07:55,559 from one in the morning, when finally item 77 came up, which 2090 02:07:55,559 --> 02:08:00,539 was the homeless, or as we said on the show, say the unhoused 2091 02:08:00,539 --> 02:08:07,109 ordinance camp camp anywhere. Which is not entirely 2092 02:08:07,109 --> 02:08:16,319 everywhere. You can't camp on city grounds. But the it has 2093 02:08:16,319 --> 02:08:17,159 increased 2094 02:08:17,940 --> 02:08:20,190 John C. Dvorak: on the sidewalk city grounds. 2095 02:08:20,460 --> 02:08:24,810 Adam Curry: Cleanup. No, that is not No. In fact, that is exactly 2096 02:08:24,810 --> 02:08:27,360 what came up in this. I mean, there were a couple of things 2097 02:08:27,900 --> 02:08:31,920 that that happened in this. Because only 10 people are 2098 02:08:31,920 --> 02:08:35,400 allowed to speak. And they put it on video. And it's you know, 2099 02:08:35,400 --> 02:08:39,060 and it's archive. But nothing's really great. If the audio is 2100 02:08:39,060 --> 02:08:41,370 not good. I'll cut the segment I think it's good enough for you 2101 02:08:41,370 --> 02:08:45,390 to listen to. I just want you to kind of hear how the citizens 2102 02:08:45,390 --> 02:08:48,330 are looking at this. And then the city council. And this is 2103 02:08:48,330 --> 02:08:53,760 one gentleman who showed up and he's I think he has a a pole 2104 02:08:53,760 --> 02:08:57,990 with 25 You know, or a petition with 25,000 signatures on it. 2105 02:08:58,260 --> 02:09:03,300 And he's just there saying hey, you know, could you please turn 2106 02:09:03,300 --> 02:09:06,330 that law back, though the ordinance back to what it was 2107 02:09:06,330 --> 02:09:08,910 because now we have people pooping on the street. 2108 02:09:08,940 --> 02:09:10,620 Essentially, the city has 2109 02:09:10,620 --> 02:09:14,940 Unknown: far more litter today. And I think anyone that denies 2110 02:09:14,940 --> 02:09:16,920 Adam Curry: now can you hear this at all? Is it worth it to 2111 02:09:16,920 --> 02:09:17,430 play this 2112 02:09:18,120 --> 02:09:19,500 John C. Dvorak: play for a while I'll let you know. 2113 02:09:21,900 --> 02:09:26,370 Unknown: They also create human waste. Anyone who camps anyone 2114 02:09:26,370 --> 02:09:29,880 who sleeps is creating human waste. And since now, I'm 2115 02:09:29,880 --> 02:09:33,180 homeless people are allowed to sleep and camp in public. Not 2116 02:09:33,180 --> 02:09:36,960 here at City Hall. I'll point out but anywhere else in public, 2117 02:09:37,410 --> 02:09:42,330 except city parks. They're creating human waste and the 2118 02:09:42,330 --> 02:09:45,450 photos and the videos that I get sent or shared on social media 2119 02:09:45,450 --> 02:09:52,350 that are taken in real time are shocking. truly shocking. So 2120 02:09:52,350 --> 02:09:54,750 there's a there's a profound public health concern here as 2121 02:09:54,750 --> 02:10:00,420 well. Third, I don't see how this is a good thing. Good 2122 02:10:00,420 --> 02:10:06,030 policy for tourism. Our downtown is thriving. And we all take 2123 02:10:06,030 --> 02:10:09,240 pride in that fact. We have people from all over the world 2124 02:10:09,240 --> 02:10:14,220 that are coming here. It is simply not good for tourism, to 2125 02:10:14,220 --> 02:10:18,510 have this be the image of Austin that people are seeing that we 2126 02:10:18,510 --> 02:10:21,810 are trying to effectively emulate the policies that we've 2127 02:10:21,810 --> 02:10:25,230 seen in cities like Los Angeles, in San Francisco in Seattle in 2128 02:10:25,230 --> 02:10:28,770 Honolulu. I'm here tonight carrying the voices of the 2129 02:10:28,770 --> 02:10:32,820 people who have signed our petition. I'm asking you, I 2130 02:10:32,820 --> 02:10:37,770 guess at the August 22, meeting, to undo this policy. This is not 2131 02:10:37,800 --> 02:10:39,180 not a solution to problems. 2132 02:10:40,650 --> 02:10:43,350 Adam Curry: Okay, so I think you could understand enough of it. 2133 02:10:43,680 --> 02:10:47,730 What the guy saying is, we are now adopting the policies. And 2134 02:10:47,730 --> 02:10:51,630 it's interesting. You said San Francisco, Los Angeles, Seattle, 2135 02:10:51,630 --> 02:10:55,680 and he said Honolulu? Yeah, I didn't know Honolulu had to 2136 02:10:55,740 --> 02:10:58,260 John C. Dvorak: I don't know this either. But it wouldn't 2137 02:10:58,260 --> 02:11:00,450 surprise me it could be a sorrows. Sister running the 2138 02:11:00,450 --> 02:11:02,280 thing now is what the problem is. 2139 02:11:02,490 --> 02:11:06,510 Adam Curry: Well, then, and this retort is what I what I was 2140 02:11:06,540 --> 02:11:12,300 surprised by one of the city council members, that would be 2141 02:11:12,300 --> 02:11:19,110 district ones. Greg says our he calls the guy back. And I'll 2142 02:11:19,110 --> 02:11:23,670 just set it up for you that and he's like, Oh, you said not in 2143 02:11:23,670 --> 02:11:25,890 front of City Hall. Because a big point of contention with 2144 02:11:25,890 --> 02:11:28,320 everybody is like, Oh, you can you can camp and poop anywhere 2145 02:11:28,320 --> 02:11:31,860 you want, but not in front of City Hall. And this guy is going 2146 02:11:31,860 --> 02:11:35,160 to correct him on the record, which only shows you the 2147 02:11:35,160 --> 02:11:38,610 arrogance and makes it worse of what's these elites. And then 2148 02:11:38,610 --> 02:11:42,690 not even elites, their elites that fell upwards into the city 2149 02:11:42,690 --> 02:11:45,840 council and a B elites. Oh, my God, they're the worst, 2150 02:11:46,050 --> 02:11:50,790 especially this Greg says are, and he's not my district, but to 2151 02:11:50,790 --> 02:11:52,620 hear as he calls the guy back. 2152 02:11:56,070 --> 02:11:57,030 Unknown: Thanks for sticking around. 2153 02:11:57,269 --> 02:11:59,999 Yeah. Been a lot of fun. Nice to meet you, too. 2154 02:12:01,140 --> 02:12:06,000 You brought up tonight and then several times I've seen or heard 2155 02:12:06,300 --> 02:12:11,160 saying, camping anywhere want to City Hall, and then just now in 2156 02:12:11,430 --> 02:12:16,050 the parks, but also not at libraries, for recreation 2157 02:12:16,050 --> 02:12:20,040 centers, or at the Capitol, or at the governor's mansion. If 2158 02:12:20,040 --> 02:12:20,400 you were 2159 02:12:21,330 --> 02:12:23,790 not aware of those locations? No, I'm aware that private 2160 02:12:23,790 --> 02:12:26,970 property, city parks and City Hall were exempt. I was not 2161 02:12:26,970 --> 02:12:27,780 aware of those additional 2162 02:12:28,260 --> 02:12:31,530 exemptions. Also, it's just city facilities generally that have 2163 02:12:31,560 --> 02:12:34,710 curfews, like libraries, and parks and capital and the 2164 02:12:34,710 --> 02:12:38,310 governor's mansion. Okay. So can you commit to making sure that 2165 02:12:38,310 --> 02:12:40,920 you spend that information accurately? Absolutely. 2166 02:12:40,950 --> 02:12:44,910 Adam Curry: Thanks for the guy is perturbed, that the public 2167 02:12:44,910 --> 02:12:49,020 doesn't know that not only can you not camp and poop at City 2168 02:12:49,020 --> 02:12:53,190 Hall, but also the Capitol and the governor's mansion. So just 2169 02:12:53,190 --> 02:12:56,040 so you know, that's disinformation by omission, 2170 02:12:56,040 --> 02:13:02,490 Powell. What the fuck, he's making it worse. There's more 2171 02:13:02,490 --> 02:13:06,840 places that you cannot camp that are not accessible to the 2172 02:13:06,840 --> 02:13:11,250 public, per se. But oh, it's government. It's us. So just 2173 02:13:11,250 --> 02:13:14,370 letting you you can't camp there. am I misreading this? Or 2174 02:13:14,370 --> 02:13:16,080 is this guy just an elitist prick? 2175 02:13:17,610 --> 02:13:19,710 John C. Dvorak: Well, I don't think he's much of an elitist, 2176 02:13:19,710 --> 02:13:20,610 he's just a prick. 2177 02:13:21,480 --> 02:13:23,940 Adam Curry: We'll take it. And then he got into a little 2178 02:13:23,940 --> 02:13:24,630 altercation. 2179 02:13:25,980 --> 02:13:28,890 Unknown: You bring up the church might be more human waste. I 2180 02:13:28,890 --> 02:13:34,170 still don't quite understand how it is that ticketing we're 2181 02:13:34,170 --> 02:13:38,910 arresting someone for merely being outside reduces 2182 02:13:39,180 --> 02:13:42,300 homelessness and therefore reduces human waste. And folks. 2183 02:13:43,410 --> 02:13:45,300 Adam Curry: Okay, so I'll set this up, and I'll let her play. 2184 02:13:45,660 --> 02:13:49,020 So what this council member is saying is I don't see what 2185 02:13:49,020 --> 02:13:55,170 difference it makes in where people poop versus a month ago. 2186 02:13:55,500 --> 02:13:58,380 You know, so tell me what's going on with the with the human 2187 02:13:58,380 --> 02:14:02,790 waste situation is to paraphrase like, What is your problem with 2188 02:14:02,790 --> 02:14:06,300 now that people can poop anywhere in front except City 2189 02:14:06,300 --> 02:14:09,060 Hall? What is the problem? Or 2190 02:14:09,120 --> 02:14:11,700 Unknown: how that reduces violence. And so I really hope 2191 02:14:12,210 --> 02:14:15,120 that we don't conflate those things. And I just don't 2192 02:14:15,120 --> 02:14:18,960 understand and still haven't seen how it is that re 2193 02:14:18,960 --> 02:14:23,760 criminalizing those behaviors is going to reduce the violence 2194 02:14:23,760 --> 02:14:27,780 that you pointed out or reduce the health issue. They've 2195 02:14:27,780 --> 02:14:28,200 pointed out, 2196 02:14:28,590 --> 02:14:32,310 corresponded so so on the waist issue, I would say is the 2197 02:14:32,310 --> 02:14:34,320 differences. Now this is happening in public, it's 2198 02:14:34,320 --> 02:14:37,050 happening on sidewalks, it's happening, you know, where 2199 02:14:37,050 --> 02:14:39,030 was it happening before inside their homes? They don't have 2200 02:14:39,300 --> 02:14:40,170 well, it's 2201 02:14:40,170 --> 02:14:42,180 happening wherever they congregate. A lot of times it 2202 02:14:42,180 --> 02:14:45,990 happens in 100 under overpasses under bridges. This was not it 2203 02:14:45,990 --> 02:14:46,230 wasn't 2204 02:14:46,230 --> 02:14:48,900 happening in June. Pardon me, to me. It wasn't happening. And 2205 02:14:49,290 --> 02:14:50,100 what I'm saying is 2206 02:14:50,100 --> 02:14:53,490 if you walk through downtown, now or in other neighborhoods, 2207 02:14:53,880 --> 02:14:57,420 this is now is now becoming a problem for citizens who are 2208 02:14:57,420 --> 02:15:00,780 walking to school, walking their dog walking In the neighborhood, 2209 02:15:01,230 --> 02:15:02,880 to an extent that it wasn't before 2210 02:15:02,910 --> 02:15:04,320 where were folks going to the bathroom? 2211 02:15:04,890 --> 02:15:07,410 I don't I don't listen. I mean, if you're asking me like, where 2212 02:15:07,410 --> 02:15:09,720 did homeless people where do homeless people congregate in 2213 02:15:09,720 --> 02:15:10,410 this city? 2214 02:15:10,440 --> 02:15:12,630 Now, unfortunately, that question, you said that there's 2215 02:15:12,630 --> 02:15:15,390 more human waste, and that's causing a health issue, right? 2216 02:15:15,720 --> 02:15:17,730 Going to the bathroom. And what I'm 2217 02:15:17,730 --> 02:15:18,600 saying is that 2218 02:15:18,750 --> 02:15:21,360 Adam Curry: key now, he believes this, can you believe this is 2219 02:15:21,360 --> 02:15:24,120 what they're discussing? He's He's saying, well, where'd they 2220 02:15:24,120 --> 02:15:27,990 go to the bathroom a month ago? What is wrong with these people? 2221 02:15:29,880 --> 02:15:36,840 This is insane. i You're talking the wrong guy. I know. But it's 2222 02:15:36,840 --> 02:15:40,800 like we have he said it right up front. This is the policy that 2223 02:15:40,860 --> 02:15:43,950 LA and San Francisco and apparently Honolulu are 2224 02:15:43,950 --> 02:15:48,210 adopting. Why are we doing that? His answer is, Well, where were 2225 02:15:48,210 --> 02:15:50,940 they pooping before? You know, it's like, we need a poop 2226 02:15:50,940 --> 02:15:53,340 report. I mean, what is going on? 2227 02:15:53,790 --> 02:15:55,440 John C. Dvorak: research needs to be done. 2228 02:15:55,500 --> 02:15:59,550 Adam Curry: I mean, yes, we need a steering committee to track 2229 02:15:59,550 --> 02:16:04,290 the poop habits. Anyway, what the city of Austin and old 2230 02:16:04,290 --> 02:16:08,340 Bruins have done is they voted yes, on forming a corporation, 2231 02:16:08,550 --> 02:16:15,120 which will run the new shelters. So now all right, good. I'm sure 2232 02:16:15,120 --> 02:16:20,040 that'll work out fine. Now we'll keep you updated on Austin poop 2233 02:16:20,040 --> 02:16:20,760 epidemic. 2234 02:16:21,420 --> 02:16:23,820 John C. Dvorak: No. Wish I could just get more people to move 2235 02:16:23,820 --> 02:16:24,210 there. 2236 02:16:25,410 --> 02:16:27,480 Adam Curry: It's too expensive here. People don't want to be 2237 02:16:27,480 --> 02:16:29,550 here now. It's not working out. 2238 02:16:32,100 --> 02:16:33,420 John C. Dvorak: Killed in Santa Monica. 2239 02:16:33,450 --> 02:16:37,200 Adam Curry: Now let's talk about mental illness for a moment. As 2240 02:16:37,200 --> 02:16:42,030 it links to the to the mass shooters. The president came out 2241 02:16:42,060 --> 02:16:48,330 and the way I took his statement was it's mental health. It's 2242 02:16:48,330 --> 02:16:52,680 being mental health as a problem. The Combine that with 2243 02:16:52,800 --> 02:16:56,610 violent video games and social networks and hate hate something 2244 02:16:56,610 --> 02:16:59,640 about hate, and we have to stop hate and we'll have red flag 2245 02:16:59,640 --> 02:17:05,100 laws and I didn't like anything that he said. The mental health 2246 02:17:05,100 --> 02:17:09,720 part I can see a valid point. People are saying well, you're 2247 02:17:09,720 --> 02:17:13,710 stigmatizing mental health and I and I think there's a valid 2248 02:17:13,860 --> 02:17:17,040 validity to that. I don't necessarily personally think 2249 02:17:17,040 --> 02:17:21,270 that mental health is the issue. I would say the issue was what 2250 02:17:21,270 --> 02:17:24,690 is being prescribed to people who have mental health issues. 2251 02:17:24,870 --> 02:17:29,190 It is the medication that's that comes with fair warning on the 2252 02:17:29,400 --> 02:17:33,780 on the bottle and says you know, you may become violent you may 2253 02:17:33,780 --> 02:17:37,770 become suicidal, lots of you may come more depressed than you 2254 02:17:37,770 --> 02:17:42,720 were. And that is what doesn't seem to be investigated. But on 2255 02:17:42,720 --> 02:17:49,350 Democracy Now. They had a and I know I'm in your turf here. They 2256 02:17:49,350 --> 02:17:55,710 had on a lady who was a member of affirm research.org and and 2257 02:17:55,710 --> 02:17:59,910 she's an emergency room doctor so she I do not believe she is a 2258 02:17:59,910 --> 02:18:03,810 psychologist or psychiatrists. Affirm is the American 2259 02:18:03,810 --> 02:18:08,460 Foundation for firearm injury reduction in medicine, a 2260 02:18:08,460 --> 02:18:11,730 nonprofit corporation comprised of healthcare professionals and 2261 02:18:11,730 --> 02:18:15,510 researchers working together to find lasting solutions to curb 2262 02:18:15,510 --> 02:18:20,220 the epidemic of firearm violence across the United States, which 2263 02:18:20,220 --> 02:18:24,930 has never explicitly mentioned in the intro, or in this or in 2264 02:18:24,930 --> 02:18:28,470 the interview that they are Act basically an anti gun 2265 02:18:28,710 --> 02:18:33,510 organization very small formed in 2018. No 990 published yet. 2266 02:18:33,750 --> 02:18:37,680 Looks like they have maybe $14,000 in donations over all of 2267 02:18:37,680 --> 02:18:42,960 2018. And she had a couple of think valid things to say about 2268 02:18:42,960 --> 02:18:46,350 mental health as it comes to violence, but also would tell a 2269 02:18:46,350 --> 02:18:49,650 clue there that we're on the right track with the the true 2270 02:18:49,680 --> 02:18:56,430 issue with these apparent mass shooters and mental health slash 2271 02:18:56,460 --> 02:18:57,240 medication. For 2272 02:18:57,240 --> 02:18:59,730 Unknown: more, we're going to Dr. Megan Ranney, one of the 2273 02:18:59,730 --> 02:19:02,850 authors of the Time article the dangers of linking gun violence 2274 02:19:02,850 --> 02:19:06,600 and mental illness. She's an emergency room doctor, Associate 2275 02:19:06,600 --> 02:19:09,390 Professor of Emergency Medicine at Alpert Medical School, Brown 2276 02:19:09,390 --> 02:19:13,860 University, and Chief Research Officer. I'd a firm research and 2277 02:19:13,860 --> 02:19:17,250 nonprofit focused on firearm injury reduction. Welcome to 2278 02:19:17,250 --> 02:19:20,340 Democracy Now. It's great to have you with us doctor. So if 2279 02:19:20,340 --> 02:19:25,080 you can respond to President Trump immediately linking saying 2280 02:19:25,080 --> 02:19:27,690 it's not guns, it's mental illness that pulls the 2281 02:19:27,690 --> 02:19:33,000 trigger. So that is just false. The mass shootings that we're 2282 02:19:33,000 --> 02:19:37,350 experiencing across the United States, the vast minority of 2283 02:19:37,350 --> 02:19:41,040 them are committed by people with serious mental illness. 2284 02:19:42,000 --> 02:19:45,330 About 20% of Americans across the country suffer from mental 2285 02:19:45,330 --> 02:19:48,750 illness. And as you mentioned, they are far more likely to be 2286 02:19:48,750 --> 02:19:52,440 victims of violence than perpetrators themselves. Where 2287 02:19:52,440 --> 02:19:56,250 they're most at risk is risk of suicide. As you said, two thirds 2288 02:19:56,250 --> 02:19:59,970 of gun deaths across this country are suicides and by law 2289 02:20:00,000 --> 02:20:03,300 We believe mass shootings as mental illness, we risk further 2290 02:20:03,300 --> 02:20:06,120 stigmatizing the mentally ill driving them away from 2291 02:20:06,120 --> 02:20:09,630 treatment, increasing the rates of suicide and also preventing 2292 02:20:09,660 --> 02:20:12,780 us from making forward progress on this epidemic. Well, Dr. 2293 02:20:12,780 --> 02:20:16,380 Randy, can you explain how did this link come about that 2294 02:20:16,410 --> 02:20:20,310 basically all these mass shootings in the US are a result 2295 02:20:20,310 --> 02:20:23,580 of mental illness? It's not an obvious conclusion to draw. 2296 02:20:24,030 --> 02:20:27,450 Adam Curry: Yeah, I'm, by the way, I know that to me was like, 2297 02:20:27,480 --> 02:20:31,080 What are you? That's not an obvious conclusion. Yeah, it 2298 02:20:31,080 --> 02:20:35,100 wasn't. But here's her answer contains I think the the truth 2299 02:20:35,130 --> 02:20:37,650 Unknown: illness, it's not an obvious conclusion to draw on 2300 02:20:37,650 --> 02:20:41,670 John C. Dvorak: a second stop at again. What is this woman 2301 02:20:41,670 --> 02:20:45,690 thinking? What is the obvious conclusion to draw Trump? 2302 02:20:45,720 --> 02:20:50,460 Adam Curry: Oh, Trump? Guns, Trump guns hate? Yeah, of 2303 02:20:50,460 --> 02:20:52,500 course. Yeah, no, you're right on that 2304 02:20:52,530 --> 02:20:54,330 Unknown: forward progress on this epidemic? 2305 02:20:54,720 --> 02:20:57,510 We'll jump right in. Can you explain how did this link come 2306 02:20:57,510 --> 02:21:02,190 about that basically, all these mass shootings in the US are a 2307 02:21:02,190 --> 02:21:05,370 result of mental illness? It's not an obvious conclusion to 2308 02:21:05,370 --> 02:21:05,880 draw. 2309 02:21:06,090 --> 02:21:10,800 Adam Curry: That is, that really is showing enormous bias in your 2310 02:21:10,800 --> 02:21:11,400 reporting. 2311 02:21:11,970 --> 02:21:14,850 John C. Dvorak: But does it Does she ever see that Aurora guy 2312 02:21:14,850 --> 02:21:19,650 when he was in court for the first time or, or Lanza or these 2313 02:21:19,650 --> 02:21:23,100 gods, you know, these characters that were, were mentally? 2314 02:21:23,700 --> 02:21:28,770 Adam Curry: No, they had guns Bushmaster, ar 15. Unbelievable. 2315 02:21:28,770 --> 02:21:31,560 Can't see the can't see past it. All right here comes around 2316 02:21:31,620 --> 02:21:34,680 Unknown: in the US are a result of mental illness. It's not an 2317 02:21:34,680 --> 02:21:36,300 obvious conclusion to draw. 2318 02:21:36,750 --> 02:21:40,740 Yeah, I mean, I think that we want to assign blame somewhere. 2319 02:21:41,040 --> 02:21:44,010 And in common conversation, you'll hear people say, Oh, that 2320 02:21:44,010 --> 02:21:47,580 guy must have been crazy, right? It seems, quote unquote, crazy 2321 02:21:47,760 --> 02:21:50,700 to go and shoot a lot of people. It's something that's been 2322 02:21:50,700 --> 02:21:54,060 repeated over and over by the news media, about 40% of 2323 02:21:54,060 --> 02:21:58,260 articles about mass shootings, mention mental illness as a 2324 02:21:58,260 --> 02:22:02,130 cause. It's something that we've come to believe as a nation, but 2325 02:22:02,130 --> 02:22:06,240 the evidence does not support that link. It supports a link 2326 02:22:06,240 --> 02:22:10,380 between substance use and mass shootings, a link between a 2327 02:22:10,380 --> 02:22:13,830 hatred and mass shootings, a link between prior violence and 2328 02:22:13,830 --> 02:22:18,330 mass shootings, but not with mental illness. Did you catch 2329 02:22:18,330 --> 02:22:18,570 it? 2330 02:22:20,370 --> 02:22:21,630 John C. Dvorak: Was substance abuse? 2331 02:22:21,990 --> 02:22:24,690 Adam Curry: That's not what she said. That's what I thought the 2332 02:22:24,690 --> 02:22:26,370 first time to, she says 2333 02:22:26,970 --> 02:22:30,540 Unknown: about mass shootings mentioned mental illness as a 2334 02:22:30,540 --> 02:22:34,410 cause. It's something that we've come to believe as a nation, but 2335 02:22:34,410 --> 02:22:38,520 the evidence does not support that link. It supports a link 2336 02:22:38,520 --> 02:22:40,890 between substance use and substance 2337 02:22:40,890 --> 02:22:42,630 John C. Dvorak: use substance you use, 2338 02:22:42,780 --> 02:22:45,840 Adam Curry: what is the substance talking the medication 2339 02:22:45,840 --> 02:22:48,390 you're given? That's the substance she didn't say illegal 2340 02:22:48,390 --> 02:22:55,560 substances, no substance use. So there may be evidence of that 2341 02:22:55,560 --> 02:22:58,530 although I've never seen said evidence because it doesn't seem 2342 02:22:58,530 --> 02:23:03,150 to get studied or published. But she clearly said substance use 2343 02:23:03,150 --> 02:23:10,710 and she's the expert All right. And I think there's probably 2344 02:23:10,710 --> 02:23:13,800 something to that although this is not effective. If you want to 2345 02:23:13,830 --> 02:23:17,760 if you want to you know start a campaign against guns, and in a 2346 02:23:17,760 --> 02:23:20,910 roundabout way said no, no. Mental Health has nothing to do 2347 02:23:20,910 --> 02:23:24,840 with this. We all know it's hatred and an easy access to 2348 02:23:24,840 --> 02:23:28,830 guns easy access to the guns, you want to do it right. You do 2349 02:23:28,830 --> 02:23:31,620 it the way a presidential candidate does it. Ladies and 2350 02:23:31,620 --> 02:23:34,140 gentlemen, you do it like the Yang man, 2351 02:23:34,170 --> 02:23:36,150 Unknown: more than a dozen presidential candidates or an 2352 02:23:36,150 --> 02:23:39,930 iOS speaking at a gun control forum, and CNN Arlette signs 2353 02:23:39,930 --> 02:23:42,210 joins us live in Des Moines. Arlette, what have been some of 2354 02:23:42,210 --> 02:23:44,250 the breakout moments you've seen there? Well, on 2355 02:23:44,250 --> 02:23:47,520 over the course of this day, you've heard from 16 of the 2356 02:23:47,520 --> 02:23:49,950 Democratic presidential candidates here in person at 2357 02:23:49,950 --> 02:23:54,360 this gun reform forum. And really, they've been laying out 2358 02:23:54,390 --> 02:23:58,110 their vision for how to solve this issue relating to gun 2359 02:23:58,110 --> 02:24:01,410 violence in this country. There was also a very emotional 2360 02:24:01,410 --> 02:24:05,160 moment, just a short while ago with Andrew Yang when he was 2361 02:24:05,190 --> 02:24:10,320 asked a woman asked a question and noted that her young child 2362 02:24:10,470 --> 02:24:13,980 was killed by a stray bullet take a look at that moment that 2363 02:24:13,980 --> 02:24:15,120 happened just a short while ago. 2364 02:24:15,900 --> 02:24:23,220 I have a six and three year old boy imagining I was imagining 2365 02:24:23,220 --> 02:24:30,780 was one of them. They catch up and the other that scene that 2366 02:24:30,780 --> 02:24:34,890 you described I'm sorry it's like very very affecting you 2367 02:24:34,890 --> 02:24:38,430 right that when there's a gun in the household, you're more 2368 02:24:38,430 --> 02:24:43,110 likely to have a child get shot or the owner get shot than to 2369 02:24:43,110 --> 02:24:45,750 kill let's say an intruder into the house, man. 2370 02:24:47,040 --> 02:24:49,260 Adam Curry: Yeah, pretty good for first timer 2371 02:24:53,040 --> 02:24:54,120 John C. Dvorak: Yeah, another 2372 02:24:55,140 --> 02:24:57,180 about bromide. 2373 02:24:58,290 --> 02:24:59,940 Adam Curry: But he was crying John 2374 02:25:00,480 --> 02:25:02,460 John C. Dvorak: Oh yeah, you would do that was in Yang that 2375 02:25:02,460 --> 02:25:03,420 was it? Yes. That 2376 02:25:03,420 --> 02:25:07,560 Adam Curry: was Yang crying. What? Oh, hello. Did you hear my 2377 02:25:07,560 --> 02:25:08,100 intro? 2378 02:25:08,130 --> 02:25:09,960 John C. Dvorak: Yes. Read the intro and I thought he was 2379 02:25:09,960 --> 02:25:12,540 you're playing a guy cry. Oh, that's 2380 02:25:12,660 --> 02:25:17,250 Adam Curry: actually that's actually Andrew Yang. Let's 2381 02:25:17,250 --> 02:25:17,880 listen again 2382 02:25:17,910 --> 02:25:19,680 John C. Dvorak: but play the whole clip again. 2383 02:25:20,010 --> 02:25:22,080 Adam Curry: I'm not gonna I won't I gotta play the intro 2384 02:25:22,080 --> 02:25:24,090 I'll play him here. Yeah, here we go listen, 2385 02:25:24,420 --> 02:25:31,320 Unknown: I have a six and three year old boy imagining I was 2386 02:25:31,320 --> 02:25:38,640 imagining was one of them that got shot and the other that 2387 02:25:38,640 --> 02:25:40,980 scene that you described I'm sorry it's like very, very 2388 02:25:40,980 --> 02:25:44,550 affecting you right that when there's 2389 02:25:44,910 --> 02:25:47,010 Adam Curry: an injury I saw the video so I know it's him. 2390 02:25:47,040 --> 02:25:48,840 John C. Dvorak: Yeah, okay, yeah, I get it now I was paying 2391 02:25:48,840 --> 02:25:53,400 I read tuned to my ears. Yeah, yes. That's 2392 02:25:53,790 --> 02:25:55,020 Adam Curry: our first time, Mitch. 2393 02:25:56,100 --> 02:25:58,260 John C. Dvorak: How could you not John Boehner? 2394 02:25:59,700 --> 02:26:02,400 Adam Curry: Oh, yeah, well, then then surely people will make fun 2395 02:26:02,400 --> 02:26:05,640 of him. And then finally on this hole 2396 02:26:05,730 --> 02:26:08,040 John C. Dvorak: that makes they will make funny Yang they made 2397 02:26:08,040 --> 02:26:09,660 fun of Boehner because he's a Republican. 2398 02:26:10,050 --> 02:26:12,000 Adam Curry: No, I know. That's why I'm saying they they'll make 2399 02:26:12,000 --> 02:26:17,070 fun of you knowing that they don't cry. Exactly. Judge 2400 02:26:17,070 --> 02:26:20,760 Napolitano, no fan of President Trump. At least I don't know. Is 2401 02:26:20,760 --> 02:26:23,910 he a fan now? Or was he not a fan? He's not a fan of Earth. 2402 02:26:23,910 --> 02:26:24,090 But 2403 02:26:24,090 --> 02:26:25,200 John C. Dvorak: do I not getting a point? 2404 02:26:26,700 --> 02:26:29,520 Adam Curry: He's not a Supreme Court justice. I'm sure. First 2405 02:26:29,520 --> 02:26:35,670 off about that. But he I agree with a lot of what he's saying 2406 02:26:35,670 --> 02:26:39,060 about this Red Flag Law and all this crap the President was 2407 02:26:39,060 --> 02:26:42,660 talking about, you know, we're gonna find his find hate on 2408 02:26:42,660 --> 02:26:43,710 social networks. 2409 02:26:45,150 --> 02:26:47,820 John C. Dvorak: By the way, I want to mention the Red Flag Law 2410 02:26:47,820 --> 02:26:50,490 thing, which I didn't pay as close attention to as I could 2411 02:26:50,490 --> 02:26:54,090 have when you were you were too wound up. 2412 02:26:54,600 --> 02:26:56,880 Adam Curry: You actually you actually said perhaps 2413 02:26:56,880 --> 02:26:59,730 hysterical. And I listened to the show later. I'm like, Yeah, 2414 02:26:59,730 --> 02:27:07,200 Fu Fu Fu you missed it. No, you you missed you when I said it. 2415 02:27:07,230 --> 02:27:09,780 No, you missed it. Because you weren't even listening to my 2416 02:27:09,780 --> 02:27:10,380 history. I 2417 02:27:10,380 --> 02:27:12,870 John C. Dvorak: was listening. So I would show apparently that 2418 02:27:12,870 --> 02:27:16,140 this is already a law just about to go it'd be passed in 2419 02:27:16,140 --> 02:27:16,890 California. Oh, 2420 02:27:16,890 --> 02:27:19,500 Adam Curry: yeah. It's already set up and he's on board. 2421 02:27:20,880 --> 02:27:22,830 John C. Dvorak: It's, it's a pourraient. 2422 02:27:22,980 --> 02:27:27,720 Adam Curry: And I think there's the there's another one hr 838, 2423 02:27:28,230 --> 02:27:32,310 the threat assessment, prevention and safety act of 2424 02:27:32,310 --> 02:27:37,050 2019. There's a number of things set up and good to go. And I 2425 02:27:37,050 --> 02:27:42,960 don't I don't think I would suspect that some of his base is 2426 02:27:42,960 --> 02:27:46,890 not liking this at all. I don't think I don't like Fourth 2427 02:27:46,890 --> 02:27:52,260 Amendment encroachment at all. So this snooping out online and 2428 02:27:52,260 --> 02:27:54,060 getting and collisions. 2429 02:27:54,600 --> 02:27:56,970 John C. Dvorak: Pay this just Castro's Cuba, 2430 02:27:57,930 --> 02:28:01,200 Adam Curry: colluding with the social networks and who knows 2431 02:28:01,200 --> 02:28:03,810 what's going to come out of it, but I don't like it. I don't 2432 02:28:03,810 --> 02:28:06,240 like the threat. I don't like that the president's doing this, 2433 02:28:06,300 --> 02:28:09,600 although apparently he wasn't even at the meeting. So I don't 2434 02:28:09,600 --> 02:28:13,080 know. But then you talk about the red flag laws. And we're 2435 02:28:13,080 --> 02:28:15,570 going to find out if someone said, well listen to Judge 2436 02:28:15,570 --> 02:28:19,860 Napolitano, a almost Supreme Court justice. 2437 02:28:20,700 --> 02:28:23,100 Unknown: Republican Senator Pat Toomey telling me earlier on Fox 2438 02:28:23,100 --> 02:28:26,100 Business, that a lot of his Republican colleagues are indeed 2439 02:28:26,100 --> 02:28:30,330 now rethinking some of their previous no vote on gun control 2440 02:28:30,330 --> 02:28:33,180 legislation and the like. But a Judge Andrew Napolitano says a 2441 02:28:33,180 --> 02:28:36,570 lot of those proposed laws won't hold up to constitutional 2442 02:28:36,570 --> 02:28:39,090 muster. He joins us right now. Judge, what do you mean? 2443 02:28:40,200 --> 02:28:43,380 Well, Neela Good afternoon. It's always a pleasure to be with 2444 02:28:43,380 --> 02:28:46,440 you. The proposal that the President offered the other day 2445 02:28:46,440 --> 02:28:50,160 is called a Red Flag Law. That's a law by which the federal 2446 02:28:50,160 --> 02:28:54,750 government would pay the states to change their state laws, so 2447 02:28:54,750 --> 02:28:58,800 that anybody who wants to raise a red flag, my next door 2448 02:28:58,800 --> 02:29:01,200 neighbor is a little crazy, but he has a gun, I think it should 2449 02:29:01,200 --> 02:29:05,490 come and take it away from him can cause the gun owner to be 2450 02:29:05,490 --> 02:29:08,670 dragged into court. In some states, the gun is taken away 2451 02:29:08,670 --> 02:29:12,090 before there's a hearing. And then the hearing decides whether 2452 02:29:12,090 --> 02:29:16,950 or not the gun owner might abuse it in the future. That's the 2453 02:29:16,950 --> 02:29:21,000 serious constitutional problem, Neil, because in this country, 2454 02:29:21,210 --> 02:29:25,020 it's been this way for our 230 years now, that presumption of 2455 02:29:25,020 --> 02:29:28,260 innocence and the due process requirements mean, you can only 2456 02:29:28,260 --> 02:29:30,990 be punished for something you've done in the past, not something 2457 02:29:30,990 --> 02:29:34,830 you might do in the future. When they say though 2458 02:29:34,830 --> 02:29:37,530 that and it was a brilliant column and we're looking at 2459 02:29:37,530 --> 02:29:40,680 this, you said you can do it on the basis of a fear of what a 2460 02:29:40,680 --> 02:29:44,490 person might do, but correct relatives or friends are 2461 02:29:44,490 --> 02:29:48,330 telegraphing authorities. Hey, we're worried we don't like what 2462 02:29:48,330 --> 02:29:53,220 we're seeing. It concerns is greatly that was the case of the 2463 02:29:53,220 --> 02:29:57,810 mother of the shooter in El Paso telegraphing local officials, 2464 02:29:57,810 --> 02:30:00,840 you know, should he own a gun I mean, it will What's the deal? 2465 02:30:01,680 --> 02:30:04,080 Adam Curry: And this was this reporting is also a little 2466 02:30:04,080 --> 02:30:07,710 sketchy. I read this in a couple places, but do we have any proof 2467 02:30:07,710 --> 02:30:13,020 that that she indeed informed the authority question? Her 2468 02:30:13,050 --> 02:30:17,250 son's ownership of a gun to authorities? Not that I know of, 2469 02:30:17,400 --> 02:30:19,740 Unknown: yeah. You don't want to wait. When these tragedies 2470 02:30:19,740 --> 02:30:22,530 happen. There's a natural instinct, I myself have this 2471 02:30:22,530 --> 02:30:25,260 instinct for the government to want to do something to keep us 2472 02:30:25,260 --> 02:30:28,230 safe. God forbid something like this should happen again. And 2473 02:30:28,230 --> 02:30:31,830 now we see that there were red flags, there were warning signs 2474 02:30:31,830 --> 02:30:35,550 for both Dayton, Ohio and El Paso. But the supreme law of the 2475 02:30:35,550 --> 02:30:39,120 land is the Constitution and the Constitution simply does not 2476 02:30:39,120 --> 02:30:42,990 permit taking a right away because somebody fears it might 2477 02:30:42,990 --> 02:30:46,710 be abused in the future. When the Supreme Court last looked at 2478 02:30:46,710 --> 02:30:49,470 the right to keep and bear arms it called that a fundamental 2479 02:30:49,470 --> 02:30:53,640 individual liberty that's in the same category as speech and 2480 02:30:53,640 --> 02:30:57,660 privacy and religion that has the highest category of rights, 2481 02:30:57,720 --> 02:31:00,930 it can't be taken away because the government fears you might 2482 02:31:00,930 --> 02:31:03,660 abuse it, it can only be taken away if you have committed a 2483 02:31:03,660 --> 02:31:04,350 crime. 2484 02:31:05,010 --> 02:31:07,230 Adam Curry: Now there you go. So I don't I don't know how this is 2485 02:31:07,230 --> 02:31:10,050 gonna work but I'm unconstitutional. Of course it 2486 02:31:10,050 --> 02:31:13,440 is. But I'm willing to Positano all the way on this. But 2487 02:31:13,440 --> 02:31:14,250 California 2488 02:31:14,250 --> 02:31:17,280 John C. Dvorak: apparently the way there are laws written is if 2489 02:31:17,280 --> 02:31:20,220 you turn somebody in just because you just hate them, you 2490 02:31:20,220 --> 02:31:24,120 get a bonus. No, but that you're never there's no check mark 2491 02:31:24,120 --> 02:31:28,320 against you, they get put on a list. And if they try to get off 2492 02:31:28,320 --> 02:31:31,230 the list and to try to condemn the other person for calling 2493 02:31:31,230 --> 02:31:35,100 them out, you know, as a nut ball, yeah. And, and it can be 2494 02:31:35,100 --> 02:31:38,280 shown that you're not at a knot in that ball in any way. And 2495 02:31:38,280 --> 02:31:40,530 this neighbor just hates you, but they're deciding just to 2496 02:31:40,530 --> 02:31:42,120 make your life miserable, because there's a lousy 2497 02:31:42,120 --> 02:31:45,960 neighbor, which is always possible. Yeah, too bad, too bad 2498 02:31:45,960 --> 02:31:46,470 for you. 2499 02:31:46,650 --> 02:31:48,390 Adam Curry: You're on the list. And that's it and then you're on 2500 02:31:48,390 --> 02:31:50,970 the list no guns for you. You can't buy one you have to give 2501 02:31:50,970 --> 02:31:52,710 them one for what's the what's going to happen. 2502 02:31:52,710 --> 02:31:55,320 John C. Dvorak: I pretty much personally scot free even though 2503 02:31:55,320 --> 02:31:56,460 the whole thing could be a scam. 2504 02:31:56,460 --> 02:32:00,270 Adam Curry: Now, just so I understand. States individually 2505 02:32:00,300 --> 02:32:03,690 can make almost any law they want, correct? 2506 02:32:04,230 --> 02:32:06,930 John C. Dvorak: No, because there's one law in the 2507 02:32:06,930 --> 02:32:11,820 Constitution and in one of the one of the amendments, that is 2508 02:32:12,030 --> 02:32:15,450 finally said that all states are subject to the same. They're 2509 02:32:15,450 --> 02:32:18,570 subject to the same US Constitution and at the Bay at 2510 02:32:18,570 --> 02:32:21,510 the very end of the day at the end of the day. 2511 02:32:21,540 --> 02:32:25,080 Adam Curry: Okay, so then, how was California able to have a so 2512 02:32:25,080 --> 02:32:29,730 called assault weapons ban for a decade? Because that was only 2513 02:32:29,730 --> 02:32:32,310 California, wasn't it? It was it was that federal? I thought it 2514 02:32:32,310 --> 02:32:33,420 was just California. 2515 02:32:34,289 --> 02:32:36,869 John C. Dvorak: The California has an assault. No, no, it's 2516 02:32:36,869 --> 02:32:37,319 gone. 2517 02:32:37,320 --> 02:32:40,290 Adam Curry: But they had it for 10 years. Well, they why is it 2518 02:32:40,290 --> 02:32:44,310 gone? Well, it had a sunset and then and then they looked at it 2519 02:32:44,310 --> 02:32:47,580 and said didn't help at all and then said okay, well, then we're 2520 02:32:47,580 --> 02:32:49,530 not going to renew it because it didn't make any difference. 2521 02:32:49,530 --> 02:32:49,740 Yeah, 2522 02:32:50,070 --> 02:32:52,170 John C. Dvorak: we need a lawyer on the show. I was a 2523 02:32:52,170 --> 02:32:54,780 constitutional lawyer. We need one right now as soon as 2524 02:32:54,780 --> 02:33:01,500 possible. But they're subject to the same bill of rights and 2525 02:33:01,500 --> 02:33:02,280 everything anyway, 2526 02:33:02,310 --> 02:33:04,380 Adam Curry: what is the President thinking this is not 2527 02:33:04,380 --> 02:33:07,260 going to be a very popular stance his ideas on no is 2528 02:33:07,260 --> 02:33:10,320 John C. Dvorak: dumb. I think he just shooting his mouth off as 2529 02:33:10,320 --> 02:33:10,920 usual. No, 2530 02:33:10,950 --> 02:33:15,270 Adam Curry: it was it was it was a written statement. The same 2531 02:33:15,270 --> 02:33:22,050 one that had the ADA code. Die. Right. You might well hold on 2532 02:33:22,050 --> 02:33:25,230 maybe They drugged the president up because he looked like and 2533 02:33:25,230 --> 02:33:26,430 sounded drugged. 2534 02:33:26,940 --> 02:33:29,430 John C. Dvorak: He does sound drugged a lot and just read this 2535 02:33:29,430 --> 02:33:29,580 and 2536 02:33:29,580 --> 02:33:32,850 Adam Curry: like i don't i and Nazi eight eight and Toledo and 2537 02:33:33,030 --> 02:33:38,190 red flags and gotta do it video games hate. It's maybe he maybe 2538 02:33:38,190 --> 02:33:39,960 they've got him on some program. 2539 02:33:41,280 --> 02:33:42,150 John C. Dvorak: He wouldn't know. 2540 02:33:43,530 --> 02:33:47,010 Adam Curry: I'm new. May I question this? Actually? That 2541 02:33:47,010 --> 02:33:50,670 was not a good moment for the President. So I wonder. I wonder 2542 02:33:50,670 --> 02:33:54,210 what they're doing with him. That whole speech was a tipping 2543 02:33:54,210 --> 02:33:55,710 point of something in my mind. 2544 02:33:56,460 --> 02:33:58,470 John C. Dvorak: Now we'll see where see where it goes. 2545 02:33:58,650 --> 02:34:01,980 Probably it's gonna go like everything else. Nowhere. 2546 02:34:02,850 --> 02:34:05,790 Adam Curry: You mean red flag laws? Yeah. 2547 02:34:06,390 --> 02:34:08,610 John C. Dvorak: Yeah, so a lot of chatter Yeah, yeah gag gag 2548 02:34:08,610 --> 02:34:10,320 gag gag a yak and then there's nothing 2549 02:34:10,770 --> 02:34:13,740 Adam Curry: right isn't it just to get people to buy more ammo 2550 02:34:14,640 --> 02:34:18,180 John C. Dvorak: it's definitely something like this crops native 2551 02:34:18,180 --> 02:34:21,720 add basically it's just as a big shooting and everyone's get all 2552 02:34:21,720 --> 02:34:24,780 concerned about gun control. That's it time you invest in gun 2553 02:34:24,780 --> 02:34:28,920 stocks. Yes, because they're always skyrocket after that. 2554 02:34:28,980 --> 02:34:34,590 Yeah, I bought 10 More guns all right, you know these guns for 2555 02:34:34,710 --> 02:34:37,290 and by the way, I will say this when you see somebody who by all 2556 02:34:37,290 --> 02:34:41,160 the guy had a lot of guns, and so they show a collection of 2557 02:34:41,160 --> 02:34:46,290 guns. If a guy does not have the same, like 10 copies of the same 2558 02:34:46,290 --> 02:34:50,910 exact gun. He's not arming himself for some Armageddon. 2559 02:34:50,910 --> 02:34:54,000 He's a gun guy. He likes to have a bunch of different guns and go 2560 02:34:54,000 --> 02:34:54,660 to the range. 2561 02:34:55,199 --> 02:34:58,349 Adam Curry: So they just show a a stock footage of a bunch of 2562 02:34:58,349 --> 02:34:58,979 guns. 2563 02:34:59,430 --> 02:35:01,500 John C. Dvorak: Yes, always. is a bunch of random guns. There's 2564 02:35:01,500 --> 02:35:05,220 no two guns the same right? It's not a guy who's a danger. He's 2565 02:35:05,460 --> 02:35:07,710 easily enthusiast. Yeah, you'd like 2566 02:35:07,710 --> 02:35:12,030 Adam Curry: a platform. Like one kind of a weapon that you can 2567 02:35:12,090 --> 02:35:15,900 interchange parts. Sure. Sure. That makes sense. 2568 02:35:16,590 --> 02:35:18,930 John C. Dvorak: So I'm always dubious I see there's always a 2569 02:35:18,960 --> 02:35:22,200 gun. He's gonna kill everybody. He's got his different guns. I 2570 02:35:22,200 --> 02:35:23,550 got guns like, 2571 02:35:23,640 --> 02:35:27,420 Adam Curry: yeah, I was watching the Eckstein video, the ABC 2572 02:35:27,420 --> 02:35:31,950 video. And as as they're narrating. He was rushed to the 2573 02:35:31,950 --> 02:35:38,100 hospital. And they showed, like a dramatized snippet of video 2574 02:35:38,100 --> 02:35:41,340 maybe two, three seconds long. That was clearly from you know, 2575 02:35:41,340 --> 02:35:46,020 I don't know, what's it what's a like Chicago 911 or something 2576 02:35:46,140 --> 02:35:50,490 where you see a gurney being rushed to the Halls of a of a 2577 02:35:50,490 --> 02:35:53,850 hospital had nothing to do with any actual live footage. They 2578 02:35:53,850 --> 02:35:57,420 just threw it in there it was. I caught it immediately. But that 2579 02:35:57,420 --> 02:36:00,600 really sets people's thinking, you know, when you put in that 2580 02:36:00,600 --> 02:36:04,230 kind of dramatize footage into a news report? I thought it was 2581 02:36:04,230 --> 02:36:04,920 bizarre. 2582 02:36:07,770 --> 02:36:09,810 John C. Dvorak: Well, I didn't see it. So I don't know. But it 2583 02:36:09,990 --> 02:36:12,720 does. It does. It seems like they're just trying to trigger 2584 02:36:12,720 --> 02:36:18,690 people. Okay, I got a story here that just a one shot that I was 2585 02:36:18,690 --> 02:36:22,380 discussed. It was concerning to me. Very 2586 02:36:22,380 --> 02:36:24,360 Adam Curry: good. You caught it, you caught yourself. I'm proud 2587 02:36:24,360 --> 02:36:24,660 of you 2588 02:36:26,490 --> 02:36:29,190 John C. Dvorak: cashless millennials. Oh, 2589 02:36:29,670 --> 02:36:32,430 Adam Curry: they must be in great numbers. 2590 02:36:32,460 --> 02:36:35,130 Unknown: So let's talk about this. We know fewer and fewer 2591 02:36:35,130 --> 02:36:37,560 Canadians are going out and taking out huge amounts of money 2592 02:36:37,560 --> 02:36:39,390 to carry around in their wallet all week to make their 2593 02:36:39,390 --> 02:36:42,150 transactions. How significant has the shift been lately? 2594 02:36:42,600 --> 02:36:46,140 Well, more than we expected. We conduct research regularly we 2595 02:36:46,140 --> 02:36:48,660 payments Canada runs infrastructure for payments in 2596 02:36:48,660 --> 02:36:51,360 Canada, as well as sets the rules across the country. And 2597 02:36:51,360 --> 02:36:54,570 we're modernizing that and to make sure that we modernize so 2598 02:36:54,570 --> 02:36:57,390 that we meet Canadians needs, we do research. And what we have 2599 02:36:57,390 --> 02:37:01,380 found is that the way we pay is changing. And Millennials are 2600 02:37:01,380 --> 02:37:04,350 out in front in many ways. They're leading us on what where 2601 02:37:04,350 --> 02:37:07,170 you can expect in the future, there are three trends that we 2602 02:37:07,170 --> 02:37:12,120 see happening. One is a lot less use of cash, the millennials as 2603 02:37:12,120 --> 02:37:17,790 a category, over 50%, use less use cash less than four times a 2604 02:37:17,790 --> 02:37:21,150 month. That's once a week. And that is dramatically up from 2605 02:37:21,180 --> 02:37:24,300 last year when it was 20%. So we're seeing a massive shift 2606 02:37:24,300 --> 02:37:28,230 away from cash. The second is three quarters of millennials 2607 02:37:28,260 --> 02:37:33,540 make a purchase decision online in order based on the payment 2608 02:37:33,540 --> 02:37:36,990 experience, rather than only the product. So they are choosing 2609 02:37:36,990 --> 02:37:40,770 where to shop, when based on how easy it is to make the payment. 2610 02:37:42,390 --> 02:37:43,950 John C. Dvorak: Wow. Hello, Amazon. 2611 02:37:44,220 --> 02:37:46,650 Adam Curry: Yeah. And last night, we had a couple of 2612 02:37:46,650 --> 02:37:51,120 friends over for dinner. And one of our friends has a bar. It 2613 02:37:51,120 --> 02:37:55,290 used to be his dad's bar. It's in Houston. It's actually it's a 2614 02:37:55,320 --> 02:37:58,380 white boat. I don't know if he wants me to. It's well known 2615 02:37:58,380 --> 02:38:05,610 bar. And so already business had been impacted by Hurricane Hugo. 2616 02:38:06,330 --> 02:38:09,510 But he said, you know, this business is over the your local 2617 02:38:09,510 --> 02:38:13,800 bar is over. He says I don't think we can we can stay afloat, 2618 02:38:14,040 --> 02:38:17,370 maybe another couple of years. Because of the change in 2619 02:38:17,370 --> 02:38:19,770 society. I said, What do you mean? He says the dam 2620 02:38:19,770 --> 02:38:24,360 millennials. So what's up, he says, People no longer 2621 02:38:24,360 --> 02:38:27,840 congregate in the local bar, they don't come to the local 2622 02:38:27,840 --> 02:38:30,510 bar. They're all on Instagram. And that's where they have their 2623 02:38:30,510 --> 02:38:33,360 connection. And he said, The second reason you'd come to a 2624 02:38:33,360 --> 02:38:38,340 bar, which is to hook up is being removed by the dating 2625 02:38:38,340 --> 02:38:42,300 apps. He says that no one goes out to local bars anymore. It's 2626 02:38:42,300 --> 02:38:45,930 over. He says, I think, you know, at this point, we're just 2627 02:38:45,930 --> 02:38:48,930 gonna get driven out because the landowner will you know, we'll 2628 02:38:48,930 --> 02:38:52,110 see that he's got kind of a fixed rent situation going on 2629 02:38:52,110 --> 02:38:55,590 can make more by selling it to put up another condo complex. 2630 02:38:55,980 --> 02:38:58,680 And you know, they'll raise the rate three times, like happened 2631 02:38:58,680 --> 02:39:03,270 in Austin with thread gills, and boom, it's gone. Now I'm not 2632 02:39:03,300 --> 02:39:06,630 well, not blaming millennials, but that is the trend. 2633 02:39:07,020 --> 02:39:09,870 John C. Dvorak: This is debatable. There's plenty of 2634 02:39:09,870 --> 02:39:13,800 bars once typically now orchestrated by the millennials 2635 02:39:13,800 --> 02:39:18,240 themselves. It's a new kind of bar. Okay, it's a bar. There's 2636 02:39:18,240 --> 02:39:22,440 plenty of them around here. There are usually hipster bars. 2637 02:39:23,250 --> 02:39:27,150 And they have a kind of solution. They're packed by the 2638 02:39:27,150 --> 02:39:31,590 way, mostly with millennials. This is what he's running. 2639 02:39:31,590 --> 02:39:34,980 Somebody's running an old funky bar. Yeah, that is just out of 2640 02:39:34,980 --> 02:39:38,310 vogue. I mean, there's yeah, there's there's these old stinky 2641 02:39:38,310 --> 02:39:42,390 old I would call them stinky, but I think I smoke crappy old 2642 02:39:42,390 --> 02:39:43,980 bars that nobody wants to go to. I 2643 02:39:43,980 --> 02:39:46,530 Adam Curry: think specifically it's the local bar. And I think 2644 02:39:46,530 --> 02:39:49,890 that you'll find that the the millennials are going for not a 2645 02:39:49,890 --> 02:39:54,180 local bar, but a concept where they can still Instagram cool 2646 02:39:54,180 --> 02:39:56,460 pictures. I don't know if they're really 2647 02:39:56,550 --> 02:40:00,600 John C. Dvorak: that's not true either. Can we have Albany which 2648 02:40:00,600 --> 02:40:03,270 is right next to Berkeley is a bar town. It's got a lot of 2649 02:40:03,270 --> 02:40:06,270 bars, and there's a few local bars that have been shuttered. 2650 02:40:06,480 --> 02:40:09,720 But most of them have adapted and they've changed. And they've 2651 02:40:09,720 --> 02:40:12,810 modernized and they've hipster eyes. So what's the what is the 2652 02:40:12,810 --> 02:40:15,930 new norm and he misses I mean, there's one place to really old 2653 02:40:15,930 --> 02:40:20,040 hotsy Taapsee Club, which has been there forever, was taken 2654 02:40:20,040 --> 02:40:23,490 over by hipsters. Now they have a taco truck parked outside 2655 02:40:23,490 --> 02:40:26,910 where you can go get a taco go inside have one of many beers 2656 02:40:27,060 --> 02:40:30,660 and high end liquors. I'm dead old. The old farts don't go 2657 02:40:30,660 --> 02:40:33,150 there anymore, because they can't afford it. But the 2658 02:40:33,150 --> 02:40:35,850 millennials who seem to spend too much money on things that 2659 02:40:35,850 --> 02:40:40,110 you could find cheaper or frequent to place in another 2660 02:40:40,110 --> 02:40:43,650 place, which is in Albany, which is called the IV room, which is 2661 02:40:43,650 --> 02:40:49,380 really a funky old place that is turned into a blues club. And 2662 02:40:49,380 --> 02:40:51,930 still, you know, they've they've modernized I mean, these other 2663 02:40:51,930 --> 02:40:57,840 places you have to it's a stinky old cigar smoke. I'm down on my 2664 02:40:57,840 --> 02:40:58,110 luck. 2665 02:41:00,030 --> 02:41:05,460 Unknown: Hooker come see. Yes, yes. Yes, is over. Yes, exactly. 2666 02:41:05,970 --> 02:41:08,490 Adam Curry: I'll be sure to tell him what he needs to do. So 2667 02:41:08,490 --> 02:41:09,390 let's see. Well, 2668 02:41:09,420 --> 02:41:10,830 John C. Dvorak: he's the sell that place 2669 02:41:11,850 --> 02:41:16,440 Adam Curry: me to get a whole bunch of expensive beer. With 2670 02:41:16,440 --> 02:41:20,670 jamuns and picnic tables. What else do we do that really works 2671 02:41:20,670 --> 02:41:21,690 with the millennials? 2672 02:41:21,960 --> 02:41:24,420 John C. Dvorak: Yeah, picnic tables is a good one. That's 2673 02:41:24,420 --> 02:41:28,530 true. It's true. Well free though. For sure. Picnic tables 2674 02:41:28,530 --> 02:41:29,280 everywhere for 2675 02:41:29,280 --> 02:41:31,890 Adam Curry: sure. The new hip places are where you can find 2676 02:41:31,890 --> 02:41:34,920 fellow no agenda items at these meetups. We have a meet up 2677 02:41:34,920 --> 02:41:38,310 report coming after this as second donation segment. 2678 02:41:38,670 --> 02:41:41,460 Unknown: I'm going to show my mood by donating to no agenda. 2679 02:41:41,520 --> 02:41:44,670 Imagine all the people who could do that. Oh yeah, that'd be fun. 2680 02:41:52,020 --> 02:41:53,520 John C. Dvorak: We have some more people with thanks started 2681 02:41:53,520 --> 02:42:00,030 with Sir Bruce Wilkie $150 And he's looking for a birthday 2682 02:42:00,030 --> 02:42:02,280 shout out for his father Bruce senior. We've got him on the 2683 02:42:02,280 --> 02:42:10,410 list. We do. Got some other stuff and there's mycoses low in 2684 02:42:10,410 --> 02:42:15,570 Rotunda road. Rotunda West Florida 100 feet another $150 2685 02:42:15,570 --> 02:42:23,940 donor. He needs to call Paul get a wanker but it means douchebag 2686 02:42:26,460 --> 02:42:31,080 some reason he says he thinks the word wanker gives your show 2687 02:42:31,080 --> 02:42:32,700 some extra class 2688 02:42:37,140 --> 02:42:38,850 Adam Curry: shot up on the class meter. 2689 02:42:39,720 --> 02:42:44,580 John C. Dvorak: Anonymous procrastinator $132 Can Bearcat 2690 02:42:44,580 --> 02:42:51,840 in South Lake, Texas. 12345 John Bowman in Petaluma, California 2691 02:42:51,840 --> 02:42:55,560 who's at the meetup 12321. And I realized is that it was an 2692 02:42:55,560 --> 02:43:04,860 oxymoron. Yes, that's a cute 1212321 Christopher pi food in 2693 02:43:04,860 --> 02:43:13,320 Buckeye Arizona 111 11 Helia Dios de Austin do Sauron or 2694 02:43:13,320 --> 02:43:17,550 something in Margate, Florida. enjoys the show. Nice jobs 2695 02:43:17,550 --> 02:43:19,950 Carmen house car will put you give you that at the end Chris 2696 02:43:19,950 --> 02:43:27,570 Richardson sir semicolon and Palmer Arkansas 100 2697 02:43:27,690 --> 02:43:30,960 Unknown: And he has a big boss. I think he has a he has a call 2698 02:43:30,960 --> 02:43:32,940 out an Emmy see, 2699 02:43:33,029 --> 02:43:36,209 John C. Dvorak: has donated a while here's 100 pretties put on 2700 02:43:36,209 --> 02:43:41,939 fall's Felix Wilson's tab is dad is a douchebag and needs all the 2701 02:43:41,939 --> 02:43:43,109 help he can get. I'm not 2702 02:43:43,110 --> 02:43:45,930 Adam Curry: gonna call out Sir Chris Wilson is a douchebag No 2703 02:43:45,930 --> 02:43:49,500 way. Yeah, of course not. 2704 02:43:50,400 --> 02:43:53,400 John C. Dvorak: But he's talking about Felix Willis is the kid. 2705 02:43:53,460 --> 02:43:56,790 Adam Curry: His dad is a douche. I'm not going to do him. 2706 02:43:58,260 --> 02:44:00,720 John C. Dvorak: OUT out there has been rejected to vetoed. 2707 02:44:02,250 --> 02:44:06,150 David Boswell in Georgetown, Texas. $100 Michael $1,100 In 2708 02:44:06,150 --> 02:44:12,060 Parts Unknown. By the way, David Boswell says curry for mayor. 2709 02:44:12,180 --> 02:44:13,830 Yes. And I'm 2710 02:44:13,830 --> 02:44:16,800 Adam Curry: going to bring in my friend from the build the dome 2711 02:44:16,800 --> 02:44:17,610 project. 2712 02:44:18,840 --> 02:44:19,950 John C. Dvorak: You're going to run for mayor No, 2713 02:44:20,310 --> 02:44:25,560 Adam Curry: no no no. Yes absolutely. Yes. No. Not gonna 2714 02:44:25,560 --> 02:44:30,450 happen. No way. I'm it's so obvious that you as mayor you're 2715 02:44:30,450 --> 02:44:34,350 powerless. We have much more power with the microphone. You 2716 02:44:34,350 --> 02:44:38,400 can do both. You hear that? Mayor Adler? I'm coming for you. 2717 02:44:38,520 --> 02:44:42,600 You can do both. Oh, no, not unless you move here and you run 2718 02:44:42,600 --> 02:44:43,260 my campaign. 2719 02:44:44,400 --> 02:44:48,150 John C. Dvorak: I could do it. Yeah. Michael Levin Daniel wall 2720 02:44:48,180 --> 02:44:53,670 Michael loves 100 Daniel Walraven in vol RAF and Intel 2721 02:44:53,670 --> 02:45:01,980 Robin and right told and retold fun. Rick Tobin But I love your 2722 02:45:01,980 --> 02:45:05,370 show and in the process to get my wife loving it too. Oh go 2723 02:45:05,370 --> 02:45:12,660 ride. Careful with Iowa 100 Anonymous ADA ADA Richard flux 2724 02:45:14,850 --> 02:45:21,240 88 William Alston 8888 We get a lot of these Dennis Garcia AD AD 2725 02:45:21,270 --> 02:45:22,020 these are all 2726 02:45:22,199 --> 02:45:24,359 Adam Curry: still congratulations yeah anniversary 2727 02:45:24,359 --> 02:45:24,959 donations. 2728 02:45:24,960 --> 02:45:29,040 John C. Dvorak: Yes for sure. Brian Tobias and Gardner Kansas 2729 02:45:29,070 --> 02:45:30,510 8808. 2730 02:45:30,720 --> 02:45:35,370 Adam Curry: Dennis Garcia needed a D do so and make sure you've 2731 02:45:35,370 --> 02:45:36,810 been D deuced. 2732 02:45:37,320 --> 02:45:41,310 John C. Dvorak: Dennis go Garcia was named Garcia's Miss Lee he's 2733 02:45:41,310 --> 02:45:43,950 French. He was at the meetup. Oh, really interesting guy. We 2734 02:45:43,950 --> 02:45:48,060 talked about food. got into an argument with somebody about 2735 02:45:49,170 --> 02:45:52,650 French versus like you for what it is now. Cuisine. It's 2736 02:45:52,650 --> 02:45:53,160 terrible. 2737 02:45:53,190 --> 02:45:56,130 Adam Curry: He is now the second Frenchmen to donate ever. So 2738 02:45:56,730 --> 02:46:01,320 yeah, he's a dude named Ben Foster. prioritize them for 2739 02:46:01,320 --> 02:46:02,430 towns. Okay. 2740 02:46:03,960 --> 02:46:08,190 John C. Dvorak: So Brian Tobias and in Gardner, Kansas 8808. And 2741 02:46:08,190 --> 02:46:09,960 he's got no explanation for that. Number 2742 02:46:09,960 --> 02:46:13,380 Adam Curry: one, he says my wife and I were married on Oh, 80808 2743 02:46:13,530 --> 02:46:16,530 and I was he okay, too busy planning our night that I forgot 2744 02:46:16,530 --> 02:46:18,990 about yours. Thank you for your courage and keep up the good 2745 02:46:18,990 --> 02:46:22,770 work, gentlemen. Thank you very much. Sir Brian. 2746 02:46:23,400 --> 02:46:28,320 John C. Dvorak: That's good. Alexander souls burger in 2747 02:46:28,320 --> 02:46:29,010 Deutschland. 2748 02:46:29,040 --> 02:46:31,530 Adam Curry: Now he's the only boob donation but does not have 2749 02:46:31,530 --> 02:46:35,460 a boo boo to talk about so he's probably just looking at books. 2750 02:46:36,420 --> 02:46:36,930 To me. 2751 02:46:38,550 --> 02:46:40,740 John C. Dvorak: I do have this note here. I wanted to read it 2752 02:46:40,740 --> 02:46:46,020 was a meet up guy. And he said I had to do this. This was a nice 2753 02:46:46,020 --> 02:46:50,940 note. It was John and Adam please do needs that was a D 2754 02:46:50,940 --> 02:46:52,860 douching. For I've already put that that wouldn't the D 2755 02:46:52,860 --> 02:46:57,420 douching. That was Dennis. Dennis was it? No. Dennis had a 2756 02:46:57,420 --> 02:47:01,590 delusion. Yeah, it was Dennis. He's the data janitor of dough. 2757 02:47:01,590 --> 02:47:07,110 I have no eval. He also has a request for some some job karma 2758 02:47:07,110 --> 02:47:08,910 and we'll put that at the end. Just want to make sure that's 2759 02:47:08,910 --> 02:47:13,620 clear. He says he knew. He says he ran into jazz Adam. You know 2760 02:47:13,620 --> 02:47:18,480 a voice actor voice over actor named each other Jerry or Jimmy. 2761 02:47:19,410 --> 02:47:25,080 I met him in Ibiza. He says he knows you. interesting guy. He's 2762 02:47:25,080 --> 02:47:29,190 the he's the he's the first Flat Earther I met. 2763 02:47:30,570 --> 02:47:34,320 Adam Curry: Well, maybe we met at the meeting but I don't know 2764 02:47:34,320 --> 02:47:36,030 him as a voiceover artist. 2765 02:47:38,640 --> 02:47:42,240 John C. Dvorak: Right. shows where we're at that Matthew 2766 02:47:42,240 --> 02:47:50,970 Mongan. 69 Sir Don Baron of New Hampshire. 6666. He can't read 2767 02:47:50,970 --> 02:47:55,920 MSM five M anymore. Know who can. Thomas Miller Naperville, 2768 02:47:55,920 --> 02:48:02,760 Illinois, Illinois 6611 Sir Craig Porter the Ronin 606 I 2769 02:48:02,760 --> 02:48:12,390 love small moves. He says ITM Sonia Castillo? 60 Nancy 2770 02:48:12,390 --> 02:48:21,810 Murphy's 5721 Sir Adam of the Koch Empire is my Okay, 2771 02:48:22,050 --> 02:48:27,630 interesting. John tennis night of the black Telecaster 5355 33 2772 02:48:28,140 --> 02:48:35,730 Raleigh Hawk in an Illinois 5510 Row Rory Semel Roth 5333 And he 2773 02:48:35,730 --> 02:48:41,340 was a 10 D and Murphy's Murfreesboro William Wellborn in 2774 02:48:41,340 --> 02:48:45,180 Kennesaw, Georgia 5033 In the following people or $50. Donors 2775 02:48:45,180 --> 02:48:50,490 name and location Ray. Matt bulky, I think is bulky. Yeah. 2776 02:48:52,410 --> 02:48:56,490 Our buddy drew mo check over here in El Cerrito, Dennis 2777 02:48:56,490 --> 02:49:02,040 Cavell, Douglas Engstrom, Robert dakini. in Fairfax, Virginia. 2778 02:49:02,400 --> 02:49:09,630 Roy 10 hava in Pine knocker Island well done. Jonathan 2779 02:49:09,630 --> 02:49:14,220 Ferris and liberal Kansas. Kimberly Redmond in Toronto, 2780 02:49:14,220 --> 02:49:21,660 Ontario. Oh, yeah, okay, good. It's no more I thought it was. 2781 02:49:24,060 --> 02:49:29,970 Sir F that guy in St. Louis, Missouri. Yep, that's the guy 2782 02:49:30,000 --> 02:49:37,620 Andrew Closs carts unknown. Stephen Kirkpatrick in Langley 2783 02:49:37,620 --> 02:49:43,620 Washington. Hold on a second. All right. Anonymous in Antioch 2784 02:49:43,620 --> 02:49:46,530 anonymous of Antioch, California in Antioch, California do have 2785 02:49:46,530 --> 02:49:51,180 another one which is stuck in between here which is a think is 2786 02:49:51,180 --> 02:49:56,640 also anonymous and it's $50 from a Lodi, Wisconsin. So I want to 2787 02:49:56,640 --> 02:50:00,630 thank all these folks who are helping us with show 1160 Tree. 2788 02:50:00,810 --> 02:50:03,390 Adam Curry: Yes. And as you heard from work people, yes. As 2789 02:50:03,390 --> 02:50:05,850 you heard from Jen briny host and producer of the 2790 02:50:05,850 --> 02:50:10,890 congressional dish podcast on C span. According to the Muller 2791 02:50:10,890 --> 02:50:14,970 report, we have perfected the value for value value model. In 2792 02:50:14,970 --> 02:50:19,110 fact, we instigated it. And this is the result we can live 2793 02:50:19,140 --> 02:50:22,530 another week. Thank you very much. It's your show you are the 2794 02:50:22,530 --> 02:50:26,100 producers, you supply us with pretty much everything we do 2795 02:50:26,100 --> 02:50:29,280 package it up, I think we do a decent job. That's the value we 2796 02:50:29,280 --> 02:50:32,730 create. We provide and we love it when people give us value in 2797 02:50:32,730 --> 02:50:35,610 return. And that of course also goes for executive producers, 2798 02:50:35,610 --> 02:50:39,480 Associate Executive producers, people on the subscription list, 2799 02:50:39,480 --> 02:50:42,960 which is all under $50. We don't mention them. for time reasons 2800 02:50:42,960 --> 02:50:45,540 today was longer than usual because of our opening segment. 2801 02:50:45,870 --> 02:50:49,410 And as well, people like to remain anonymous, but we really 2802 02:50:49,410 --> 02:50:52,530 appreciate it and we'll do it all over again on Thursday. 2803 02:50:52,530 --> 02:50:53,610 Please remember us at 2804 02:50:53,640 --> 02:50:57,630 Unknown: VO rec.org/n a s 2805 02:50:57,630 --> 02:50:58,650 Adam Curry: requested 2806 02:51:00,930 --> 02:51:06,090 Unknown: jobs, jobs, jobs and jobs. Let's vote for jobs. 2807 02:51:08,520 --> 02:51:09,150 Karma. 2808 02:51:18,540 --> 02:51:21,720 Adam Curry: Yesterday is the 11th of August 2019. On the list 2809 02:51:21,720 --> 02:51:25,260 today Dame Draya and Lord M of the Mid Valley say happy 2810 02:51:25,260 --> 02:51:29,130 birthday to their oldest daughter Estelle IV she turned 2811 02:51:29,130 --> 02:51:32,670 16 Tomorrow, Stephenie Meyer says Happy Birthday to her 2812 02:51:32,670 --> 02:51:36,630 amazing husband served GQ 33 tomorrow as well sir Bruce 2813 02:51:36,630 --> 02:51:40,530 Wilkie says Happy Birthday to his father Bruce senior and 2814 02:51:40,530 --> 02:51:43,890 Aaron Chamberlain says Happy Birthday to Lord Chamberlain 2815 02:51:43,890 --> 02:51:46,560 well in advance but well intended on the 30th Happy 2816 02:51:46,560 --> 02:51:49,590 birthday from everybody here's the best podcast in the universe 2817 02:51:53,760 --> 02:51:59,490 Unknown: don't gather around douchebag produce Lansley is we 2818 02:51:59,490 --> 02:52:04,500 all thank your brothers and sisters who gave and some of 2819 02:52:04,500 --> 02:52:10,050 them night? Some of them? Oh the title. 2820 02:52:12,690 --> 02:52:14,940 Adam Curry: Finally, we have some real title changes on the 2821 02:52:14,940 --> 02:52:18,750 list Sir Patrick of the enormous noggins has now become the VI 2822 02:52:18,750 --> 02:52:23,580 count of Ohio and Mark Colin is now for now shall be known as 2823 02:52:23,580 --> 02:52:26,820 the Baronet of East Lake City and the newly arisen marker 2824 02:52:26,820 --> 02:52:30,300 Vardan of the Netherlands. Both of you thank you very much for 2825 02:52:30,300 --> 02:52:33,630 your additional contribution of $1,000 to the best podcast in 2826 02:52:33,630 --> 02:52:39,360 the universe. We have two nice things and I will seat Stephenie 2827 02:52:39,360 --> 02:52:43,530 Meyer at the table. She can give us her chosen name later, but 2828 02:52:43,530 --> 02:52:46,860 I've reversed my initial decision and feel that she 2829 02:52:46,860 --> 02:52:50,130 should be inducted into the no agenda roundtable on today's 2830 02:52:50,130 --> 02:52:55,050 episode. So I've got my blade here at the ready. surd Yes. Oh, 2831 02:52:55,050 --> 02:53:00,270 beautiful. Thank you. So up on the podium, we need Stephenie 2832 02:53:00,270 --> 02:53:04,410 Meyer, Brian Holcomb and Steven conkel. The three of you have 2833 02:53:04,410 --> 02:53:07,590 joined the elite ranks of the no agenda, Knights and James and 2834 02:53:07,590 --> 02:53:11,520 that is due to your contribution of $1,000 or more and I am proud 2835 02:53:11,520 --> 02:53:16,380 to pronounce the case. cirrhosis of Brookhaven, Georgia, sir 2836 02:53:16,380 --> 02:53:22,080 really a night of the Santa Clara Valley. And Dame Stephanie 2837 02:53:22,590 --> 02:53:27,090 Dane needs to be filled in at a later time. We have workers and 2838 02:53:27,090 --> 02:53:30,990 blow rent boys and Chardonnay, we've got dirt cakes and a sixer 2839 02:53:31,050 --> 02:53:35,280 tropicalia IPA, we got pepperoni rolls and parallels, we got the 2840 02:53:35,280 --> 02:53:38,130 breast milk and pablum sparkling cider nests for ginger ale and 2841 02:53:38,130 --> 02:53:41,520 dribbles and mutton and Mead. And your night ring your ceiling 2842 02:53:41,520 --> 02:53:45,240 wax it is after all, the signet ring and your official 2843 02:53:45,240 --> 02:53:48,510 certificate can be attained by going to no one to the 2844 02:53:48,510 --> 02:53:52,140 nation.com/rings giving Eric the show all of your information, or 2845 02:53:52,140 --> 02:53:56,580 at least the ones pertaining to your ring size. And he will get 2846 02:53:56,580 --> 02:54:04,440 that out to you as soon as possible. No one. All right. So 2847 02:54:04,440 --> 02:54:08,250 the meetups are becoming quite a thing. It seems that the meetups 2848 02:54:08,280 --> 02:54:11,220 may be the only thing keeping these new millennial bars going. 2849 02:54:12,210 --> 02:54:16,260 So we need to we need to continue with that. Also, I've 2850 02:54:16,260 --> 02:54:22,200 been requested to look for some WordPress administrative 2851 02:54:22,230 --> 02:54:27,120 assistants. As Daniel who's our dude named Daniel who set up no 2852 02:54:27,120 --> 02:54:30,570 agenda meetups.com could use some help because it got a lot 2853 02:54:30,570 --> 02:54:34,380 of cool features. They really want to make this kick ass 2854 02:54:34,380 --> 02:54:37,800 system. It's already much better than meetup.com least for our 2855 02:54:37,800 --> 02:54:43,890 purposes. So you can email admin at no agenda meetups.com Then we 2856 02:54:43,890 --> 02:54:47,580 have a quick report of the Murfreesboro meetup Murphy 2857 02:54:47,610 --> 02:54:51,240 Murfreesboro. This is from rich had a great time this past 2858 02:54:51,240 --> 02:54:54,600 Friday. It was such a varied group of people from different 2859 02:54:54,600 --> 02:54:58,110 backgrounds military pharma dudes named Ben, an owner of a 2860 02:54:58,110 --> 02:55:01,200 professional Christmas lighting company guy from Kentucky with 2861 02:55:01,200 --> 02:55:05,340 an encyclopedic knowledge of the different bourbons. Sounds like 2862 02:55:05,340 --> 02:55:10,290 COBOL to me. We're already setting up the next meetup just 2863 02:55:10,290 --> 02:55:12,720 so we can get together again and learn more about each other. 2864 02:55:12,720 --> 02:55:15,810 Thank you for your courage rich. So this is the kind of report 2865 02:55:15,810 --> 02:55:18,630 that we hear from these meetups and we have a couple that are 2866 02:55:18,630 --> 02:55:23,340 coming up for the next week, August 14, so Wednesday, Warsaw, 2867 02:55:23,340 --> 02:55:30,270 Poland, at the Mickler bar in Warsaw. And meeting no to all 2868 02:55:30,270 --> 02:55:33,210 the slaves in Warsaw, it's time for meetup the event will be on 2869 02:55:33,210 --> 02:55:37,290 the second floor of the Mickler bar in Warsaw details with no 2870 02:55:37,290 --> 02:55:41,160 agenda meetups.com On the 15th we have Michigan local one 2871 02:55:41,160 --> 02:55:45,090 midweek meet up at Dearborn five to 9pm you will be meeting at 2872 02:55:45,090 --> 02:55:48,660 the Henry Ford Museum for Star Trek happy hour. Oh yeah, baby. 2873 02:55:49,380 --> 02:55:54,120 Why am I not in Michigan? There's also some food and that 2874 02:55:54,120 --> 02:55:59,460 will be as see freedom Mexican cuisine. And you can find the 2875 02:55:59,460 --> 02:56:02,850 details on the no agenda meetup site then we have a meet up 2876 02:56:02,850 --> 02:56:08,880 report from southeast London. The precursor they do regular 2877 02:56:09,210 --> 02:56:12,300 meetups previously that interesting Oh, that's Oh, they 2878 02:56:12,300 --> 02:56:15,930 love it out there. The previous meetup approximately an hour and 2879 02:56:15,930 --> 02:56:19,530 a half into the meetup Alexei Alexei turned up. Approximately 2880 02:56:19,530 --> 02:56:23,520 20 minutes later, Rob anonymous appears in two dimension B style 2881 02:56:23,520 --> 02:56:26,730 replete with fluorescent yellow jacket and a battery powered 2882 02:56:26,730 --> 02:56:31,980 scooter. My god man, did he come to the right meetup. Assembly 2883 02:56:31,980 --> 02:56:35,670 semi semi regular 80 year old China man Matthew interrupts the 2884 02:56:35,670 --> 02:56:40,890 event. Je WFF declares Matthew to be a globalist extensive 2885 02:56:40,890 --> 02:56:44,340 triggering test of both attendees commences both passed 2886 02:56:44,340 --> 02:56:49,680 with flying colors. Good time had by all and such. This is it. 2887 02:56:49,710 --> 02:56:52,830 This is this is what it's I'm not quite sure, but it sounds 2888 02:56:52,830 --> 02:56:56,880 like it was good. Southeast London meetup 11. The amazing 2889 02:56:56,910 --> 02:57:00,330 amygdala shrinking beer something roll up roll up. That 2890 02:57:00,330 --> 02:57:03,390 will be held on the 15th of August the third Thursday of 2891 02:57:03,420 --> 02:57:06,750 every month. Why? Because every no agenda or deserves the 2892 02:57:06,750 --> 02:57:10,860 opportunity not to be triggered. It's at the real ale way. And 2893 02:57:10,860 --> 02:57:15,540 that's in Bromley in London. I think it's Kent. So look at the 2894 02:57:15,540 --> 02:57:19,650 site for that San Antonio in Texas this Saturday three to 7pm 2895 02:57:20,190 --> 02:57:24,540 San Antonio meet up at big hops on bitters. Bring your own foods 2896 02:57:24,570 --> 02:57:29,700 they do not have a kitchen. And there will be a table with the 2897 02:57:29,700 --> 02:57:34,170 Adam and John's her heads on sticks so you can't miss us. And 2898 02:57:34,170 --> 02:57:38,670 finally Sunday the 18th we have the Victoria BC meet up the 2899 02:57:38,670 --> 02:57:42,480 prettiest little town on the West Coast. No agenda meetups 2900 02:57:42,480 --> 02:57:44,970 it's like a party come out and meet the NA listeners in town 2901 02:57:44,970 --> 02:57:47,850 share a beverage or two at the tasting room. And that's on 2902 02:57:47,850 --> 02:57:51,510 Government Street in Victoria BC Canada Navia. So those your 2903 02:57:51,510 --> 02:57:54,960 meetups for the next week. Apparently they're a lot of fun 2904 02:57:54,960 --> 02:57:59,820 to go to and we are going to attend as many as possible. John 2905 02:57:59,820 --> 02:58:03,840 just did the the impromptu one in Berkeley and the keeper and I 2906 02:58:03,840 --> 02:58:06,900 will be attending some of these soon as well. No agenda. 2907 02:58:06,900 --> 02:58:09,960 meetups.com Wow. It's been a long show. I think we should do 2908 02:58:09,960 --> 02:58:11,220 a couple more stories. 2909 02:58:11,700 --> 02:58:13,860 John C. Dvorak: Well, I let me read something first, which is 2910 02:58:13,860 --> 02:58:18,210 important. This is from Paul couture and our thing about the 2911 02:58:18,210 --> 02:58:20,220 Drupal needed and now I gotta do 2912 02:58:20,220 --> 02:58:22,710 Adam Curry: this for no agenda art. generator.com Yeah, 2913 02:58:22,710 --> 02:58:25,440 John C. Dvorak: this is you saw the message you wanted somebody 2914 02:58:25,440 --> 02:58:27,750 to help he was going to give up on the whole thing. Well, 2915 02:58:27,750 --> 02:58:32,430 apparently he's changed his mind. Ah, okay. Very different. 2916 02:58:32,430 --> 02:58:35,100 But I should read this don't miss my life. Oh moment. He says 2917 02:58:35,100 --> 02:58:38,340 First off, I absolutely want to keep running the Art Generator. 2918 02:58:38,580 --> 02:58:41,010 I'm sorry. You forgot the impression we got the impression 2919 02:58:41,010 --> 02:58:44,610 from your note and talking to you. Yeah. That I find it to be 2920 02:58:44,610 --> 02:58:48,930 a burden that again was provided by you. I have been quite 2921 02:58:48,930 --> 02:58:51,660 swamped as me and a few partners have been diligently working to 2922 02:58:51,660 --> 02:58:59,220 build. Jay, when is it? I say IW TV dot live. And it's led me to 2923 02:58:59,220 --> 02:59:01,440 spending quite a bit of time on the highways and backroads in a 2924 02:59:01,440 --> 02:59:04,050 beautiful country. Oh gee yet another Cracker Barrel and 2925 02:59:04,050 --> 02:59:07,290 Walmart shopping center. such diversity to provide live 2926 02:59:07,290 --> 02:59:10,650 streams at a rate 4x higher than the Goliath of our industry. 2927 02:59:11,220 --> 02:59:15,270 Okay, well, that didn't you were busy. Yes. Second. Second. And 2928 02:59:15,270 --> 02:59:18,840 more importantly, I think the Drupal site was moved to a 2929 02:59:18,840 --> 02:59:24,870 Laravel back in mid 2014. Yeah. In mid 2014. For all the reasons 2930 02:59:24,870 --> 02:59:30,270 you mentioned about Drupal is increasing insanity. Oh. So 2931 02:59:30,270 --> 02:59:34,980 that's so he's, you know, he's a top guy. I also moved the code 2932 02:59:34,980 --> 02:59:38,880 base at that time to publicly forcible JIT repository yet 2933 02:59:38,910 --> 02:59:39,390 sorry. 2934 02:59:41,160 --> 02:59:48,630 Adam Curry: Wow. Miss requests or developer Devora how's your G 2935 02:59:48,630 --> 02:59:48,750 it's 2936 02:59:48,750 --> 02:59:50,880 John C. Dvorak: a G it's a soft it's always jet. 2937 02:59:51,539 --> 02:59:55,019 Unknown: Jeff. No, Jeff, you should be consistent and knew. 2938 02:59:59,460 --> 03:00:03,330 John C. Dvorak: I am insistent. Finally I got a brand new build 2939 03:00:03,330 --> 03:00:07,620 coming soon. I've been waiting on Laravel six to drop, drop, 2940 03:00:07,830 --> 03:00:11,430 and I plan to use some of the crazy medium. In the relation 2941 03:00:11,430 --> 03:00:13,860 skills I've picked up in the last three or four years as I've 2942 03:00:13,860 --> 03:00:16,980 had to become a bit of a crazed command line video, audio and 2943 03:00:16,980 --> 03:00:19,860 image editor to power some of the apps that make our network 2944 03:00:19,860 --> 03:00:24,210 work. I was close to releasing the news build or the new build. 2945 03:00:24,570 --> 03:00:28,110 When Tyler Atwell announced the version six of Laravel will be 2946 03:00:28,110 --> 03:00:31,890 coming in the next weeks. I feel it'd be far better to let that 2947 03:00:31,890 --> 03:00:36,270 roll out first to make sure I have the necessary changes done 2948 03:00:36,270 --> 03:00:38,880 in development. He's one of those. He's one of the you know 2949 03:00:38,880 --> 03:00:42,090 he's like voice zero songs new 2950 03:00:46,890 --> 03:00:51,690 Adam Curry: songs new installed. I think that's every dude named 2951 03:00:51,690 --> 03:00:55,560 Ben who loves loves his job. Does this 2952 03:00:56,760 --> 03:01:05,370 John C. Dvorak: so so? So anyway, so he says as an aside 2953 03:01:05,370 --> 03:01:09,090 that crazy former hit list, Drupal dev that now works on 2954 03:01:09,090 --> 03:01:12,120 making a Netflix look at like full of guys and gals play 2955 03:01:12,120 --> 03:01:15,720 fighting in their underwear. I don't know what that means. But 2956 03:01:15,720 --> 03:01:19,950 anyway, so. So bottom line is bought new time. He's a former 2957 03:01:19,950 --> 03:01:21,540 headless Drupal Dev. 2958 03:01:21,960 --> 03:01:23,580 Adam Curry: So we don't need any more help. 2959 03:01:23,610 --> 03:01:25,530 John C. Dvorak: We won't need anybody for the moment but you 2960 03:01:25,530 --> 03:01:29,460 have your games are putting on a list every day. You're 79 Guys, 2961 03:01:29,730 --> 03:01:30,570 you know, 2962 03:01:30,630 --> 03:01:33,300 Adam Curry: hey, you sent this you're now on a list. Okay? 2963 03:01:34,140 --> 03:01:37,950 You're on the list. You're on the Drupal list. It could be it 2964 03:01:37,950 --> 03:01:39,120 could come in handy. 2965 03:01:39,660 --> 03:01:41,640 John C. Dvorak: What sounds like it's not going to come in handy 2966 03:01:41,640 --> 03:01:45,870 of Paul's gone over to Laravel that he's not the only guy. I 2967 03:01:45,870 --> 03:01:49,080 mean, this is like, I think Drupal is being dumped. 2968 03:01:49,650 --> 03:01:51,780 Adam Curry: I don't know I haven't checked related to me. I 2969 03:01:51,780 --> 03:01:53,850 gotta look at the latest git repository. I 2970 03:01:53,850 --> 03:01:56,130 John C. Dvorak: see if I'm not a Drupal guy, so I don't know. 2971 03:01:58,680 --> 03:02:00,210 Never liked it to begin with. 2972 03:02:00,300 --> 03:02:03,570 Adam Curry: I know I'm still a repository I'm all Jedi over it. 2973 03:02:03,570 --> 03:02:05,460 I can't get over it's too good. Yeah, 2974 03:02:05,460 --> 03:02:06,510 John C. Dvorak: you should be Jedi. 2975 03:02:08,220 --> 03:02:12,270 Adam Curry: Okay, we cannot let the show go by without showing 2976 03:02:12,270 --> 03:02:16,590 you the the gaffe machine that is Joe Biden. There's always a 2977 03:02:16,590 --> 03:02:21,780 couple of good ones this week was was no disappointment. The 2978 03:02:21,780 --> 03:02:23,550 first one I would say is this 2979 03:02:23,610 --> 03:02:27,360 Unknown: we choose science over fiction. We choose truth over 2980 03:02:27,360 --> 03:02:28,050 facts 2981 03:02:33,600 --> 03:02:37,530 Adam Curry: I just love that the crowd loves it. We choose the 2982 03:02:38,460 --> 03:02:40,440 John C. Dvorak: truth over facts. Yes, Joe. 2983 03:02:41,400 --> 03:02:45,540 Adam Curry: We choose truth over facts. But then this one which 2984 03:02:45,540 --> 03:02:49,710 is really sad because it was a prompter misread. I saw it 2985 03:02:49,710 --> 03:02:53,400 happen. Joe's reading. He misread the prompter. He's 2986 03:02:53,400 --> 03:02:57,420 supposed to say rich kids can do just as well as wealthy kids. 2987 03:02:57,510 --> 03:03:01,350 But what's on his mind is because he's racist. On his mind 2988 03:03:01,350 --> 03:03:06,810 is rich black. That word is well white. Or he reads wealthy as 2989 03:03:06,810 --> 03:03:09,990 white whatever it was, it came out as white he like it was 2990 03:03:10,020 --> 03:03:14,790 yeah, he tries to save it. And then ads wealthy, you know, 2991 03:03:14,820 --> 03:03:17,460 because that's what that was the Word and the prompter, wealthy, 2992 03:03:17,460 --> 03:03:19,380 black, red, yellow, or whatever you're listening. 2993 03:03:19,620 --> 03:03:20,910 Unknown: And the other thing we should do is you should 2994 03:03:20,910 --> 03:03:24,060 challenge these students. We should challenge students in 2995 03:03:24,060 --> 03:03:26,430 these schools to have advanced placement programs in these 2996 03:03:26,430 --> 03:03:29,790 schools. We have this notion that somehow if you're poor, you 2997 03:03:29,790 --> 03:03:33,630 cannot do it. For kids who are just as bright and just as 2998 03:03:33,630 --> 03:03:39,060 talented as white kids. wealthy kids, black kids, Asian kids. 2999 03:03:39,360 --> 03:03:41,340 No, I really mean but think how we think about it. 3000 03:03:41,520 --> 03:03:44,850 Adam Curry: Same audience who thought that truth over facts 3001 03:03:44,850 --> 03:03:48,000 was great. They're applauding the racism that Dover truth. 3002 03:03:48,240 --> 03:03:53,340 Yes. No, it was truth over fact, truth was bad. But it was it was 3003 03:03:53,340 --> 03:03:57,480 a prompter misread and he tried to save it. But that's because 3004 03:03:57,480 --> 03:03:58,800 it's on his mind. 3005 03:03:58,800 --> 03:04:02,940 John C. Dvorak: Okay. He saved it. Okay. 3006 03:04:02,970 --> 03:04:06,750 Adam Curry: There was too much of a pause. And you you just 3007 03:04:06,750 --> 03:04:10,740 don't want to start with rich kids and then go to white. I 3008 03:04:10,740 --> 03:04:12,510 mean, you can see the guy he's 3009 03:04:14,220 --> 03:04:17,100 John C. Dvorak: I thought he saved it well for him. Okay. 3010 03:04:17,130 --> 03:04:19,230 Well, make sure you vote for him. It was too much of a pause 3011 03:04:19,230 --> 03:04:22,560 and it was obvious what was going on but it was he What did 3012 03:04:22,560 --> 03:04:26,220 save it? So if you if you quoted him, you would have to put the 3013 03:04:26,220 --> 03:04:28,950 whole sentence in there which Google the other stuff? Yeah, 3014 03:04:28,980 --> 03:04:30,870 but of course you heard it. Yeah, it's a gaffe. 3015 03:04:30,900 --> 03:04:33,870 Adam Curry: So what happened but this is not how the modern M 3016 03:04:33,870 --> 03:04:37,680 five M political process goes. The modern process is Hey, 3017 03:04:37,680 --> 03:04:41,730 soundbite everybody. By the way, I did want to mention this 3018 03:04:41,730 --> 03:04:50,430 statistic. Since I was reading a broadcast and cable magazine. I 3019 03:04:50,430 --> 03:04:56,310 do this all the time. Why? Well, because I get information man. 3020 03:04:58,020 --> 03:05:02,550 The 2020 election is coming to light Right, yes. Okay, here's a 3021 03:05:02,550 --> 03:05:07,170 little game, the 2020 election will generate. And I'm not going 3022 03:05:07,170 --> 03:05:12,330 to say the number in local political ad spending. And they 3023 03:05:12,330 --> 03:05:17,520 did this by estimating percentage increases over the 3024 03:05:17,520 --> 03:05:21,090 last election. So it's fairly good at broadcast and cable, 3025 03:05:21,090 --> 03:05:23,850 they have to predict things reasonably well, because their 3026 03:05:23,880 --> 03:05:27,870 industry trade magazine. So how much do you think is being 3027 03:05:27,900 --> 03:05:32,790 projected to be generated in local political ad spending for 3028 03:05:32,790 --> 03:05:36,210 the 2020? Election? Now, of course, take into account we 3029 03:05:36,210 --> 03:05:40,620 have 25 democratic hopefuls. So there's a lot of political ad 3030 03:05:40,620 --> 03:05:46,230 spending. And this includes television, internet, or online, 3031 03:05:46,230 --> 03:05:50,790 I think, as is represented and radio etc. What do you think the 3032 03:05:50,790 --> 03:05:53,640 total amount will be of local ad spend? 3033 03:05:56,070 --> 03:05:57,660 John C. Dvorak: 3.5 billion 3034 03:05:58,170 --> 03:06:03,600 Adam Curry: $6.5 billion. And it breaks down as follows the three 3035 03:06:03,600 --> 03:06:08,730 point Yeah, wow is right. Over the air television will get 40% 3036 03:06:08,730 --> 03:06:13,410 of local political spending or 3.0 8 billion. The next biggest 3037 03:06:13,410 --> 03:06:16,080 share will go to online and digital outlets with one point 3038 03:06:16,080 --> 03:06:21,390 37 billion representing a 21% Share. multichannel video 3039 03:06:21,390 --> 03:06:26,940 programming distributors will see 919,000,014% radio will get 3040 03:06:26,940 --> 03:06:32,430 312 million or 4.8%. With the remainder going to other media. 3041 03:06:32,520 --> 03:06:37,890 Oh, yes, podcasting expects to receive $7,500. Just kidding. 3042 03:06:37,890 --> 03:06:47,280 It's not in there. Delayed here is what was interesting. Because 3043 03:06:47,310 --> 03:06:51,240 these are local elections. And because I presume there's such a 3044 03:06:51,240 --> 03:06:57,330 large base of Democrats running in the primary. The number one 3045 03:06:58,140 --> 03:07:02,490 market for political advertising and 2020 is expected to be Los 3046 03:07:02,490 --> 03:07:08,280 Angeles with $368 million in spending. La TV stations 3047 03:07:08,280 --> 03:07:12,150 expected to rake in 168 million during the election digital 3048 03:07:12,150 --> 03:07:18,150 getting 76 million cable 55 and radio as a meager 70% Of that 3049 03:07:18,150 --> 03:07:22,020 total. So they are definitely getting some big money in in 3050 03:07:22,020 --> 03:07:27,690 this 2020 election in California. Huh? But that amount 3051 03:07:27,720 --> 03:07:32,670 was never enough that six and a half billion dollars. Do you 3052 03:07:32,670 --> 03:07:36,930 think that that's that's that's impressive people have seriously 3053 03:07:36,930 --> 03:07:39,720 want to choose their leaders, don't they? I mean, that's not 3054 03:07:39,720 --> 03:07:43,620 just coming from mom and pops with their $100 to Lizzie 3055 03:07:43,620 --> 03:07:47,040 Warren. And that's some real money. 3056 03:07:49,320 --> 03:07:50,910 John C. Dvorak: Money's coming from every which way. 3057 03:07:52,260 --> 03:07:54,030 Unknown: What does that man is encouraged? 3058 03:07:54,390 --> 03:07:55,740 Adam Curry: And what do you mean every which way? 3059 03:07:56,850 --> 03:08:00,840 John C. Dvorak: It's coming from big big boys, little boys. Moms, 3060 03:08:00,840 --> 03:08:07,110 dads, moms pops large corporations. Everyone. Farm 3061 03:08:07,110 --> 03:08:09,750 farmer banks, real estate. 3062 03:08:10,470 --> 03:08:14,610 Adam Curry: Unbelievable. This, how can anyone have one single 3063 03:08:14,610 --> 03:08:18,930 message with with all those ads? You just got to be saying yes to 3064 03:08:18,930 --> 03:08:22,200 everybody. And then hope you get in and then I guess whoever 3065 03:08:22,200 --> 03:08:26,490 spent gives you more money and apologize. Apologize a lot more 3066 03:08:26,490 --> 03:08:28,620 money system is sick. Man. If you gave us 3067 03:08:28,620 --> 03:08:30,960 John C. Dvorak: more money, it'd be better. Yeah. I mean, I'm not 3068 03:08:30,960 --> 03:08:32,460 against you some ISOs that I 3069 03:08:33,660 --> 03:08:35,820 Adam Curry: was just going to I was going to rant against what I 3070 03:08:35,820 --> 03:08:39,180 was gonna wrap. I was going to wrap it up with one last thing 3071 03:08:39,180 --> 03:08:42,930 about Biden. This came from Fox Business News. 3072 03:08:43,590 --> 03:08:47,820 Unknown: This is the week where markets began to price in the 3073 03:08:47,820 --> 03:08:51,660 possibility of no deal with China before the election. We 3074 03:08:51,660 --> 03:08:55,950 saw it happen. We saw the tick on Monday if that terrible drop 3075 03:08:56,040 --> 03:08:59,400 when the the reality of that seem to settle in is the market. 3076 03:08:59,400 --> 03:09:01,680 Right. No deal with China before the election? 3077 03:09:02,790 --> 03:09:06,690 Well, it's a good chance now of no deal. The President has been 3078 03:09:06,690 --> 03:09:11,490 making the case that the Chinese see the Democrats is softer, 3079 03:09:11,490 --> 03:09:14,280 much softer than he is on China trade, especially on 3080 03:09:14,280 --> 03:09:18,690 enforcement. And so I checked with the Chinese myself, David, 3081 03:09:19,020 --> 03:09:22,470 both their press and talking to Chinese individuals who advise 3082 03:09:22,470 --> 03:09:26,640 the government. They do believe that Biden will win. They've got 3083 03:09:26,760 --> 03:09:31,080 polls and their own assessment. Interestingly enough to back in 3084 03:09:31,080 --> 03:09:34,980 2016. They said Trump will win. He will carry Wisconsin, 3085 03:09:34,980 --> 03:09:39,840 Pennsylvania and Michigan. And I said no, that's not true. I'm 3086 03:09:39,840 --> 03:09:43,560 sure Hillary is gonna win. This is at some point in 2016. They 3087 03:09:43,560 --> 03:09:46,620 were right. But this time they seem to believe that Biden is 3088 03:09:46,620 --> 03:09:50,430 going to win, and that would explain the President's comments 3089 03:09:50,640 --> 03:09:52,890 are probably accurate. Now could it? 3090 03:09:53,430 --> 03:09:56,730 Adam Curry: Ta There you go. The Chinese maybe that's where part 3091 03:09:56,730 --> 03:09:58,980 of that six and a half billion comes from 3092 03:10:00,480 --> 03:10:02,430 John C. Dvorak: Yeah, that could be 3093 03:10:02,460 --> 03:10:04,080 Adam Curry: wouldn't be surprising. I mean that there's 3094 03:10:04,080 --> 03:10:06,600 always going to be all it has always been the rumors that 3095 03:10:06,600 --> 03:10:10,680 Obama got the hundreds of millions through from China 3096 03:10:10,680 --> 03:10:11,790 through credit cards. 3097 03:10:14,849 --> 03:10:17,369 John C. Dvorak: Yeah, well, also from Saudi Arabia through credit 3098 03:10:17,369 --> 03:10:18,359 cards. Yeah. Well, 3099 03:10:18,389 --> 03:10:21,149 Adam Curry: it's kind of like the sealed indictments, I guess. 3100 03:10:24,000 --> 03:10:26,910 John C. Dvorak: It's exactly like the I do have three ISOs I 3101 03:10:26,910 --> 03:10:33,300 want you to consider, okay. None of them really. I said one of 3102 03:10:33,300 --> 03:10:35,820 them's on the show. The other ones are just kind of things 3103 03:10:35,820 --> 03:10:37,830 that are in the public domain that are floating around. I have 3104 03:10:37,830 --> 03:10:39,090 to kill all men 3105 03:10:39,240 --> 03:10:45,210 Unknown: cleaning to kill all men. Where does that come from? 3106 03:10:46,110 --> 03:10:46,560 Oh, that's 3107 03:10:46,560 --> 03:10:48,750 John C. Dvorak: from Jenny McDermott. She's a troller. 3108 03:10:49,050 --> 03:10:52,110 Yeah, a whole spiel. Oh, yeah. 3109 03:10:52,530 --> 03:10:55,560 Unknown: Yeah, yeah, it's quite good. Yeah, 3110 03:10:55,620 --> 03:10:56,970 Adam Curry: you have a lot of time. 3111 03:10:57,030 --> 03:10:58,800 John C. Dvorak: I was gonna break it down today's show but 3112 03:10:58,800 --> 03:10:59,850 we didn't have time. I'm 3113 03:10:59,850 --> 03:11:04,050 Adam Curry: glad we didn't miss troller All right, that's 3114 03:11:04,320 --> 03:11:06,630 John C. Dvorak: now this one is harder to come by. This is a 3115 03:11:06,630 --> 03:11:10,230 woman that just socialite New York socialite stoner named we 3116 03:11:10,230 --> 03:11:14,970 were the last name of Mueller and she has this I feel evil ISO 3117 03:11:14,970 --> 03:11:17,280 which I thought was really good, but I don't know if it's a good 3118 03:11:17,280 --> 03:11:19,500 enough quality. I feel evil. 3119 03:11:21,510 --> 03:11:24,450 Adam Curry: Now you're right. It's no doesn't work as an end 3120 03:11:24,450 --> 03:11:24,810 of show. 3121 03:11:24,840 --> 03:11:26,580 John C. Dvorak: It's a shame it was one of those concealed 3122 03:11:26,580 --> 03:11:29,400 microphone things are no good. And then I have a day in the 3123 03:11:29,400 --> 03:11:31,890 morning from a Jen writing in the morning. 3124 03:11:33,150 --> 03:11:37,140 Unknown: I personally like to kill all men. I 3125 03:11:37,140 --> 03:11:39,510 Adam Curry: think that's an end of show. So I mean, that's, 3126 03:11:39,540 --> 03:11:40,320 that's okay. 3127 03:11:40,350 --> 03:11:42,720 John C. Dvorak: That's the cleanest. 3128 03:11:44,010 --> 03:11:46,290 Adam Curry: It's also the most accurate, let's be honest. 3129 03:11:49,170 --> 03:11:50,160 Anything I do 3130 03:11:50,160 --> 03:11:53,070 John C. Dvorak: have I do have one clip on North Korea update 3131 03:11:53,070 --> 03:11:55,080 37 sectors to help us keep up with that. 3132 03:11:55,200 --> 03:11:57,150 Unknown: The South Korean military said today that North 3133 03:11:57,150 --> 03:12:00,000 Korea fired what they believe to be too short range ballistic 3134 03:12:00,000 --> 03:12:03,660 missiles into the sea. Today's launches were the fifth in less 3135 03:12:03,660 --> 03:12:06,480 than three weeks. The US and South Korea are currently 3136 03:12:06,480 --> 03:12:09,240 conducting joint military exercises which North Korea 3137 03:12:09,240 --> 03:12:13,410 calls war games and tweets this morning. President Trump said 3138 03:12:13,410 --> 03:12:16,530 that in a recent letter from North Korea leader Kim Jong Hoon 3139 03:12:16,530 --> 03:12:19,530 offered quote a small apology for testing the short range 3140 03:12:19,530 --> 03:12:22,140 missiles. The president said North Korea promised to stop the 3141 03:12:22,140 --> 03:12:26,550 launches when the joint military exercises and the US and South 3142 03:12:26,550 --> 03:12:29,880 Korea have scaled down combined drills since the first summit 3143 03:12:29,880 --> 03:12:32,790 between President Trump and Kim Jong on in 2018. 3144 03:12:32,880 --> 03:12:36,360 Adam Curry: Yeah, I thought they were going to do those. Those 3145 03:12:36,780 --> 03:12:42,450 mock practice things with South Korea military 3146 03:12:42,480 --> 03:12:46,800 John C. Dvorak: mounting ground military industrial complex and 3147 03:12:46,800 --> 03:12:50,310 we need to sound more mythos we got to blow some up or otherwise 3148 03:12:50,310 --> 03:12:51,450 we won't sell more. 3149 03:12:52,740 --> 03:12:57,150 Adam Curry: This, why does Trump let that happen? I'm telling 3150 03:12:57,150 --> 03:13:00,300 you, man, they got they got him on some drugs. They got him on 3151 03:13:00,300 --> 03:13:02,580 something. I don't know they twirled something in front of 3152 03:13:02,580 --> 03:13:06,360 his eyes. And I just don't understand that. Or maybe he's 3153 03:13:06,360 --> 03:13:10,560 choosing his battles. I'm not sure. But I can understand where 3154 03:13:10,560 --> 03:13:13,080 he said okay, we won't do that anymore. And then he does it. 3155 03:13:13,080 --> 03:13:15,180 Yeah, then Kim Jong Hoon is gonna light his little model 3156 03:13:15,180 --> 03:13:19,530 rockets. And then that looks shit for everybody. Not a shit, 3157 03:13:19,530 --> 03:13:22,890 though, is Jerry Nadler, this is just a short update. And yeah, 3158 03:13:22,890 --> 03:13:26,280 he is leading the impeachment charge completely blown off the 3159 03:13:26,310 --> 03:13:30,330 news cycle for now. So he's come up with a new way of explaining 3160 03:13:30,330 --> 03:13:33,690 what he does, which is exactly the same thing. Only now he's 3161 03:13:33,720 --> 03:13:36,840 kind of adding a very transparent twist to it. 3162 03:13:36,870 --> 03:13:39,750 Unknown: This is formal impeachment, impeachment 3163 03:13:39,750 --> 03:13:42,690 proceedings. We are investigating all the evidence 3164 03:13:42,690 --> 03:13:45,660 regarding the evidence. And we will at the conclusion of this 3165 03:13:45,690 --> 03:13:50,940 hopefully, by the end of the year, vote to vote Articles of 3166 03:13:50,940 --> 03:13:53,520 Impeachment to the House floor or we won't. That's a decision 3167 03:13:53,550 --> 03:13:56,400 that we'll have to make. But that both that's exactly the 3168 03:13:56,400 --> 03:13:57,540 process we're in right now. 3169 03:13:57,810 --> 03:14:00,810 Adam Curry: So the headline was formal impeachment proceedings, 3170 03:14:00,810 --> 03:14:04,650 which is completely meaningless. And I don't know why he thinks 3171 03:14:04,650 --> 03:14:06,450 that anyone's being fooled by this. 3172 03:14:09,810 --> 03:14:11,700 John C. Dvorak: I don't know what it's expected to 3173 03:14:11,700 --> 03:14:13,680 accomplish. It's just going to anger people. 3174 03:14:14,070 --> 03:14:17,880 Adam Curry: Well, and maybe even anger Nancy Pelosi, by the way, 3175 03:14:17,910 --> 03:14:22,140 just as a last one that you see AOC is now ripping her ex Chief 3176 03:14:22,140 --> 03:14:27,390 of Staff for divisive tweets about fellow Democrats. This is 3177 03:14:27,390 --> 03:14:30,300 in the New York Daily News. So now she's distancing herself so 3178 03:14:30,300 --> 03:14:32,730 John C. Dvorak: I remember she gave really read the riot act. 3179 03:14:33,960 --> 03:14:36,570 Yeah, I mostly read the riot act to her and she gotta guess. 3180 03:14:39,510 --> 03:14:41,400 Yeah, don't fall apart. Yeah. 3181 03:14:41,490 --> 03:14:43,920 Adam Curry: The last 15 minutes you've been falling apart. It's 3182 03:14:44,610 --> 03:14:45,120 I don't know. It's 3183 03:14:45,120 --> 03:14:47,370 John C. Dvorak: no, this is terrible. I gotta go. I'm making 3184 03:14:47,370 --> 03:14:49,860 I'm putting a call in I believe it's my connection. 3185 03:14:49,890 --> 03:14:53,280 Adam Curry: Well, you know, what we'll do is first of all, that's 3186 03:14:53,310 --> 03:14:56,190 not often that you will admit it's your connection. So this is 3187 03:14:56,190 --> 03:14:58,680 serious business people will have to end the show here. 3188 03:14:58,980 --> 03:15:00,480 John C. Dvorak: That's because I know witness my 3189 03:15:02,010 --> 03:15:05,700 Adam Curry: right. That'll do it for today. But we will return on 3190 03:15:05,700 --> 03:15:07,800 Thursday. There's I'm sure there's a lot to be 3191 03:15:07,800 --> 03:15:12,330 deconstructed broken down, discussed and queried. I'll make 3192 03:15:12,330 --> 03:15:17,940 sure I get botanic. Now either provide an update or maybe a 3193 03:15:17,940 --> 03:15:20,790 clip or two or we'll see what we do with that. We're 3194 03:15:20,940 --> 03:15:24,240 John C. Dvorak: supposed to ask him some things. We're just 3195 03:15:24,240 --> 03:15:25,800 supposed to ask him something specific. 3196 03:15:29,370 --> 03:15:31,590 Adam Curry: I'm sure I'll remember when I go through 3197 03:15:31,590 --> 03:15:36,450 today's show. Coming to you from the frontier of Austin, Texas, 3198 03:15:36,480 --> 03:15:38,790 it's the capital of the drone Star State FEMA Region number 3199 03:15:38,790 --> 03:15:42,150 six, and all the governmental maps. Remember us for our show 3200 03:15:42,150 --> 03:15:45,480 on Thursday at the vortec.org/na. Until then, in 3201 03:15:45,480 --> 03:15:47,400 the morning, everybody, I'm Adam curry. 3202 03:15:48,810 --> 03:15:50,940 John C. Dvorak: And I'm from Northern Silicon Valley where we 3203 03:15:50,940 --> 03:15:53,730 were ahead of this effort. I'm John C. Dvorak, we return 3204 03:15:53,730 --> 03:15:57,300 Adam Curry: on Thursday. together and in sync, right here 3205 03:15:57,300 --> 03:16:01,560 on no agenda. Until then Adios, mofos and such. 3206 03:16:15,540 --> 03:16:19,050 Unknown: My name is Chris Wilson. I'm the father of young 3207 03:16:19,050 --> 03:16:23,370 Felix Wilson. For the last four episodes, Felix has been 3208 03:16:23,370 --> 03:16:28,710 exploited and made to beg for donations to our show. Whilst 3209 03:16:28,710 --> 03:16:32,190 some of you have donated to our podcasts, and we all thank you 3210 03:16:32,190 --> 03:16:35,850 for this, some of you haven't donated, and this message goes 3211 03:16:35,850 --> 03:16:41,190 out to you to paraphrase them to saw from our last episode, your 3212 03:16:41,190 --> 03:16:46,890 shit, give us money goes to divorce.org/na and donate now. 3213 03:16:47,430 --> 03:16:49,650 Check your wallet, not your privilege. 3214 03:16:50,730 --> 03:16:54,840 But think how we think about and ladies and gentlemen, I'm gonna 3215 03:16:55,020 --> 03:16:56,820 I'm gonna give you the whole load. Did 3216 03:16:57,330 --> 03:16:57,780 you agree 3217 03:16:57,780 --> 03:17:05,310 with me? Go to Joe 30330. And help me in this fight. We had 3218 03:17:05,310 --> 03:17:09,810 this notion that somehow if you're poor, you cannot do poor 3219 03:17:09,810 --> 03:17:12,690 kids who are just as bright and just as talented white kids, 3220 03:17:13,740 --> 03:17:18,270 wealthy kids, black kids, Asian kids don't really need but think 3221 03:17:18,270 --> 03:17:20,610 that we think about the things that we think about but think 3222 03:17:20,610 --> 03:17:22,830 how we think about you cannot go 3223 03:17:22,830 --> 03:17:28,620 to a 711 or a Dunkin Donuts. Are you joking? Is this a joke? 3224 03:17:29,160 --> 03:17:38,550 303303 letter word. John. J. O B S. John. John. John. 3225 03:17:38,820 --> 03:17:42,690 There's no doubt about them staying oiled and lubricated 3226 03:17:42,690 --> 03:17:45,660 here. If I'm elected president, you're gonna see the single most 3227 03:17:45,660 --> 03:17:48,390 important thing that's changed as Americans we're gonna cure 3228 03:17:48,390 --> 03:17:53,310 cancer. I just want you to know, I had permission to hug Lonnie. 3229 03:17:57,720 --> 03:18:06,210 John, John, John 30330 But we think about jobs, jobs, jobs 3230 03:18:06,660 --> 03:18:11,760 30330 Are you joking? Is this a joke 3231 03:18:15,180 --> 03:18:17,310 John C. Dvorak: it's pronounced Jeff according to the guy who 3232 03:18:17,340 --> 03:18:19,830 Adam Curry: invented it's pronounced Judy according to the 3233 03:18:19,830 --> 03:18:26,130 guy who invented the word l sharp Democrats out right they 3234 03:18:26,130 --> 03:18:35,220 got out Chitty Chitty get no kidding they got oh god with it 3235 03:18:40,890 --> 03:18:52,170 bill all giddy about a shutdown Mofo 3236 03:18:52,199 --> 03:18:59,339 Unknown: vorak.org/in A. We need to kill all men.