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live from the heart of the country here and FEMA Region
number six in the morning everybody I'm Adam curry in
John C Dvorak: from Northern Silicon Valley where everyone's
watching Thanksgiving Day Parade. I'm John C. Dvorak skill
Adam Curry: which has been interrupted by protesters.
John C Dvorak: Did you see it? I saw some clips of the
protesters. The parade in Washington parade on NBC which
is not affiliated with blah blah blah. I didn't see any gay
anything
Adam Curry: any any what any gay anything
John C Dvorak: well, they're supposed to be all these gay the
big gays. No, no, no, no, no, no,
Adam Curry: this is the Palestinian protesters. The gays
are stayed home for the Palestinians are
John C Dvorak: supposed to be gays incorporated into parade.
That was like two days. I'm sorry. Now gay trans is it's a
different queers. different
Adam Curry: careers for turkeys.
John C Dvorak: All I knows I didn't get to see much. No like
me. Me who did the big giant list today. Big
Adam Curry: giant. The giant list. Oh, the donation list. You
mean? No.
John C Dvorak: The list. The meat is the meat. That giant?
Well, she said it was a huge one today. She's talking to me.
Nevermind. A show.
Adam Curry: Oh wow. Yes, yes. Oh, oh. Anaconda. DeVore. Ack.
Yes. Yes. What can we do for you
John C Dvorak: stay calm. She said you'd ever played the book
anymore? Oh,
Adam Curry: boy. Wow. She's getting feisty. Yeah, well, it's
never one of our one of our producers plug the book just the
other day and the meetup segment, they were plugging it.
Never plugged the book anymore was sales are slacking off. And
now she's like, she has to come to the no agenda show to fix it.
Hello. I didn't mean to insult she
John C Dvorak: said it. I said we said it just to say hello. I
didn't
Adam Curry: mean to insult you. Hey, hold on a second. Are you
there? Yeah. Okay. Well, what happened?
John C Dvorak: We'll see. I may have to switch networks.
Adam Curry: Okay. Anyway, I believe this is the first
Thanksgiving that you and I have celebrate together. We both have
turkey calls.
John C Dvorak: Oh, that's right. Yes. We
Adam Curry: both have a turkey call. Where's your turkey? Call?
Man?
John C Dvorak: Good question.
Adam Curry: Don't tell me don't have your one day when you
should be.
John C Dvorak: I never thought about it. Wow. Me
Adam Curry: too busy worrying about too many eggs.com. I mean,
you go well, while you're looking for that, in along the
lines of your newsletter, which was very good. As usual. I will
play a clip from a from I believe this to be a millennial
aged woman in America. Looks like. There you go. There you
go. Looks like she's got a nice little nice pad out there in the
wilderness. She's just sitting on a nice balcony. And she just
doesn't believe in traditional Thanksgiving. Oh, no.
Unknown: Can we decolonize Thanksgiving the same way we
decolonized Columbus Day, can we renamed thanksgiving to tribal
nations Day, a day where we still have dinner with our
families or friends or for babies. But we also have with
Native Voices and native businesses. And we learn the
true history of tribal nations within this country, and where
we decolonize our landscapes and plant native plants instead of
invasive species. And that will in turn, also support native
wildlife and to decolonize our foods and incorporate
traditional foods from within our area. I think all of this
will help decolonize our spaces decolonize
Adam Curry: our spaces. Why can't we just have traditional
like Thanksgiving? You know, where we just all get together
and we thank we give thanks. Everybody
John C Dvorak: wants to make a fuss? Yes. Everybody
Adam Curry: does want to make a fuss. Yeah, yeah. Do you want to
tell everyone the true story of Thanksgiving as you often do on
this, this day of giving thanks? Well,
John C Dvorak: I wasn't prepared to do that. So I've counted
every year. There was a link to the story in the newsletter from
a previous newsletter, which I discussed Sit in great detail,
but it largely was kind of came into being as a day of
Thanksgiving, it was always called after soldiers were
killed. And after the Civil War, Lincoln actually initiated, what
would I think amounts to the current Thanksgiving Day, but
the initial story is just bogus. And there was a harvest
festival. They had something that kind of came and went for a
couple of years, but not a whole Thanksgiving story is completely
false. Okay, and so I always thought that it would be under
pressure to be changed to something else but
Adam Curry: national tribe betrayed tribal nations day has
taken it a bit far. But see,
John C Dvorak: the problem is it's like a trip this
Thanksgiving has become a tradition. I think since the
Depression. Yeah, and it has and it gives you that extra the key
is that extra Friday off, you start Yes, that's what it's all
about messing with thanksgiving, you're messing with that extra
day off and it could go the whole thing can go away, and
you're gonna lose a four day holiday. We're in the middle of
nowhere, which is really people price. This is a big deal to get
that that many days off for a bogus holiday. Yes. And
Adam Curry: it's always change it. It's a difficult one,
particularly for, for Americans post COVID. Because, you know,
we have to get together with our families and families were split
were ripped apart over divides not just there's
John C Dvorak: at least a year or maybe two where you it was
like illegal to have Thanksgiving dinner because
Adam Curry: you would kill Grandma Grandma would be dead.
So you know, we still have these uncomfortable conversations.
What are we going to talk about the table, particularly if it's,
if it's politically there's political divides and families
and there was a lady who called it on CSPAN and told us what she
was going to tell her relatives at the Thanksgiving table today.
Unknown: Hi, how are you? Morning? I have a couple of
comments when it comes up at my family's Thanksgiving dinner. I
will remind my family because we're all dog lovers. I don't
think Trump loves dogs. He's always cutting down dogs and
treating terrorists calling them dogs. And anyone that has no
compassion for animals is not on my bucket list. So I'm going to
remind them about that
Adam Curry: Trump hates dogs. Like it isn't it's not on my
bucket list of you hate dogs. Hey, lady, I was a dog hater for
a long time have come around. It's true. But I will say I'm
very thankful this year extremely thankful for no agenda
nation. For the clip collector, the clip custodian for bar end
of show mixers, for artists for our producers, yes, for every
single producer who delivers time, talent and treasure to the
show. I'm grateful that we get to do this even on this day of
giving of thanks. National Tribal day, nation. Was it
tribal nations day, First Nations first First Nations day.
And of course, I'm thankful for you, John. I'm very thankful. I
mean, that I'm thankful for you. Yeah. And we've taken to ask we
were shopping yesterday. We and we know when we encounter so
much. So what are you thankful for this year? And it's it takes
many people by surprise. What? What? They haven't even thought
about it. This is how deep we've sunk in in this country, in our
country. And the people don't even think about oh, well, isn't
it? I'm thankful for Black Friday, thankful for Cyber
Monday, and they'll get me on some deals. In fact, this is
Black Friday week, is Black Friday in the Netherlands. I
mean, they have England has the same thing they bought into
Black Friday. But there was one moment which took us aback as
Tim was buying, like a tree ornament as a gift for someone.
And we say it she says to the checkout lady, probably about
about 40 I'd say like 30 What are you thankful for? I am just
happy to be alive. I'm like, yep, praise the Lord. Yes. She
says because I had a heart attack last year, like what just
yet came out of nowhere. Tina and I looked at each other like
yeah, no, I shouldn't have said that. Uh, gee, I forgot. Hey,
did you get the VAX? No, no, no, no, no, no. Anyway, it's been a
fantastic week as the Great Awakening has begun. I already
felt this was coming as I was texting with taxi Eric, about
the Dutch elections. And Christina and my nephew both
were saying, we're so sick of this. We're so sick of
everything. I think Christina said, you know, the leftist in
our country. They really have nice unicorn dreams but we're
sick of this. And they all voted for feared builders
Unknown: in the Netherlands. The Dutch popular As to heat Villars
for a landslide election win tonight, and the latest far
right victory across Europe. Supporters celebrated this
evening in The Hague, as projections showed builder's
anti Islam anti immigration party winning the most seats in
parliament. He called for a governing coalition
is the company of obey. Now the campaign is over and the voters
have spoken. And now we will also have to look for agreements
with each other. From a wonderful position with 35
seats, we can no longer be ignored by any party.
Before the election, mainstream Dutch parties largely dismissed
any talk of a coalition with builders, a very
Adam Curry: poor report from PBS. But
John C Dvorak: what do you expect? It was pretty lame, but
I had to but it is interesting how the other parties refused to
have anything to do with him. And now he went
Adam Curry: through, but that's also not true. Yeah,
John C Dvorak: well, good. This shows that the report is worse
than I thought
Adam Curry: the other so there is one large party the green and
Labour Party, they got together and still couldn't get them
nowhere near the amount of seats that he had builders got. But he
actually changed his message about a year ago. And he says,
look, look like we he really pull he dialed back the
Islamophobic stuff, which he never was Islamophobic he said,
We don't need immigration in our country, non immigration
country. And Islam brings trouble. He he dialed that back
and said, All right, everybody who's here, you're Dutch, you're
Dutch. I'm here for all Dutch people. And the VVD, which is
the center right party. They they got a new gal to run the
show. And she said, you know, we could actually work with hered
builders. So now you have and he's like, the far right.
John C Dvorak: I mean, he's the same thing in Argentina, but
Adam Curry: I got that too. But let me just let me just tell
you, I mean, so Europe is clutching his pearls over this.
Oh, no, they're all gonna fall far right? Oh, no, we're
shocked. We're shocked. Of course, LePen in France is like,
Hey, this is good. But everyone's got a shot now. Still
work there. France is saying, Oh, no, this is this is a
problem. And they kind of recognize that immigration is an
issue. Scandinavia. Oh, far right. islamophobe. But the this
is, this is what he handily did. The guy has been in Dutch
politics for almost 25 years. And he finally got his shot
because it was time everybody was sick. And the reason why the
Dutch government fell the cabinet fell is over immigration
that people are waiting in Holland This is socialist
country. You're waiting five years on the list to be allowed
to rent a home and incomes boop boop boop Hey, I'm an asylum
seeker. I'm taking your home thanks government. So people
were sick of it. Just a couple of these clips is BBC News Hour
had their typical slant
Unknown: the first exit polls so the Dutch general election are
showing a commanding lead for the far right populist anti
immigrant Freedom party led by here builders. The other main
player in the ballot, former EU commissioner France Timmermans
left green alliance to better than predicted in the polis. Our
correspondent Anna Halligan joins us from The Hague and Anna
this lead for the Freedom party led by her filters, is it
substantiated by early results?
There's a lot to unpack there isn't there are these results
surpass, I think probably even his own greatest expectations.
Garrett fielder's Freedom Party is indeed the largest party. And
what that means is not necessarily that he will be the
next Prime Minister of the Netherlands, but that he will be
given the first opportunity to try to form a coalition
government and we have had an indication from him already. He
has made a victory speech. And he appears to be reaching out to
the other parties signaling he's prepared to compromise. So he
wants to control the tsunami of asylum within the limits of the
Constitution.
And well, obviously, the people in the Netherlands have voted
for the party that they wanted, but this will be causing some
nervousness I would imagine in Brussels. Absolutely.
Yes. Your builders fails to convince enough other parties to
join him in a governing coalition. If the other parties
refuse to do that they will be accused of failing to listen to
the voice of the people when such a significant portion of
the population who voted for this man and just in the context
of Brussels, bear in mind, in his manifesto, he has offered
the possibility
Adam Curry: Oh, now he has a man if he's not interesting, it's
called a party program. But the BBC calls it his manifesto
John C Dvorak: disassociated This is the kind of thing that
these guys do in fact using the term far right over so make any
real sense he's a conservative Yes. Yes best yeah the far right
is another associative term used to indicate fascism or Hitler
Yes. Yes with manifesto which, and manifestos got you got your
Communist Manifesto. Yes, it's ridiculous report. And the same
goes for by the way, mispronouncing his name over and
over and over again is also a form of insult,
Adam Curry: of course, and the BBC should know better. So then
we have the same thing happening in Argentina. And he is by his
own description of libertarian which is forgive me if I get it
wrong, but libertarian is not far right. Is it?
John C Dvorak: No and no I that but it turns out according to
I've been watching this too. He's the first actual
libertarian libertarian has ever been elected to anything.
Anything.
Unknown: Libertarians in America libertarians usually don't get
elected. No,
Adam Curry: no, the Libertarians in America which I mean, no
offense to them at all. But I was always like, I'm a
Republican, but I don't want to say it. So I'm gonna call my I
have my own family say to me trying to give me an out like,
because I'm not a member of any party. Never have been. Say,
you're, you're a libertarian, right?
John C Dvorak: What do you mean, like claiming to be a
libertarian for about a year? Yeah. But until I realize that
this does nothing, there is no, there is no such thing. It's
just a bull crap. moniker that you can use. Well, I believe in
this, I would call it like Republicans who believe in get
in it in abortion. So
Adam Curry: the Dutch, someone had actually put my name into
the hat somewhere. It's a Dutch Libertarian Party. Not that I
would ever consider it but and why I mean, I live in Texas,
and, and the leadership of the parties. Oh, no. Oh, no, he's
too controversial. Oh, why is he Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. This because
they're pussies. And I know I'm gonna get a lot of libertarians
mad at me.
John C Dvorak: You know, there's no real libertarians, I've come
to that conclusion. Well, that's not true because for the guy in
Argentina,
Adam Curry: but do we call him a libertarian,
Unknown: a seismic political shift is underway here in
Argentina, as the far right radical, outsider, an unknown
political force, far right, radical outsider, Chile has
become elected president. Now his supporters are flocking to
this hotel, which has become his base camp for the base camp
lecture, that causing
the chanting his chanting liberty, the name of his party
is Liberty advances. They're convinced that he is the
solution to Argentina's chronic problems. The economy is
struggling at the moment with inflation running at 140%. And
it means that 40% of the population is living below the
poverty line. He only became a politician two years ago,
Gillis, he's promising radical reforms as a result he's being
compared to Trump in the US. In Brazil, he wants to adopt the
dollar as the official currency of Argentina. He also wants to
close down the central bank and slash public funding, as well as
relaxing gun laws. Now, how much of this you will be able to
actually implement remains to be seen his political party is very
new, and he only has a fraction of the politicians in the lower
chamber and also a fraction of the senators in the upper house
too. So he's gonna have to do a lot of negotiating. But for the
moment, these people here don't care. They're happy to take a
chance on this unknown politician hoping that he will
be able to solve the country's problems. Yeah, I
Adam Curry: think PBS also had a Do they also have a thing? Yeah,
they had this thing on him here.
Unknown: Argentinian President Elect Javier Millay celebrated
his election when amidst a euphoric crowd,
boy, MP samosa Wilton a party today we turn the page on our
history, and we return to the path that we should never have
lost,
promising a new political era. Bhakta
stop this impoverished model of the cast.
Adam Curry: What is his voice over the PBS out of money
because then, you know, donations, this guy's in a tin
can. But it's very odd PBS.
Unknown: Today we embrace the libertarian models.
Adam Curry: I think he's doing it in the toilet. He's in the
bathroom somewhere doing this voiceover hearing that you don't
hear it currently
Unknown: being a global power.
supporters filled the streets of Buenos Aires last night hoping
malaise election that means an end to decades of economic
crises. Good luck. And
I think this time Argentina needs to change. And that's why
I bet on this new proposal.
Adam Curry: I'll just skip to the end because it's too long
him bored of it. But this was interesting.
Unknown: Chris Kennedy once Yeah, Florida, Malay also
opposes abortion rights, wants to end the Ministry of Women
gender and diversity and to loosen gun restrictions. And
then he also famously has for cloned dogs created in a New
York lab, whom he thanked when he won the August primary.
Thank you. I want to thank the four legged children, very
Milton, Robert,
and Lucas,
a novice politician who has already grasped one of the
professions, oldest rules, if you want a friend and politics,
get a dog, or four,
Adam Curry: I didn't know what they were cloned dogs that he
had. That's kind of weird. He had cloned dogs made in the New
York lab.
John C Dvorak: So there's been cloned dogs for a long time.
Adam Curry: But the thing that I really thought was just
interesting was that me, my daughter, and she, she's now in
social services, she she works as a, as a social worker, Now,
believe it or not. And then he says he has a lot of lefties
around. But not everybody. They're sick of it. They're
sick, sick, sick of it. They're sick of the policies, the sick
of everything that's going on. And I need to give him props.
Jordan Peterson was on Bill Maher. And for as much crap as
we give him about this arc outfit, he kind of nailed it
with this.
Unknown: Well, this is but this is the this is the main issue. I
mean, part of the reason that you see all this foolishness on
university campuses, too, is because people have bought this
idiot meta Marxism, which is that the way to look at every
social relationship that people ever have is through the lens of
power. And the that is we can put that squarely at the treat
of universities, as far as I'm concerned. Just, you know,
marriage is a patriarchal institution, and business is
nothing but oppression. And you have to view every single
situation that emerged historically as oppressor versus
oppressed. And then once you get that which you can get in about
two minutes, if you say that in the course that teaches that
sort of thing, you have a lens to moralize about the whole
world true. And then you see the situation is that a leftist have
already decided that Palestinians are the victims.
And as you pointed out, if you're a victim, then you're
morally righteous. And even more conveniently, if you stand for
the victim, then you're morally righteous, regardless of what
you do with your own life. And that's pretty much what
university students are taught from the time they enter the
university classroom. And that's how they, you know, orient
themselves morally Well, and that's at the hands of the
radical left to Bill and one of the things the Democrats also
have to pay the price for, I would say is their absolute
refusal to draw a line between the moderate Democrats and the
extremist. They're completely incapable of doing that. Like
I've talked to 40 senators and congressmen in the last five
years, I asked them all the same question cluding RFK? He
wouldn't answer either. When does the left go too far? Well,
we certainly bloody well saw in the last month didn't wait.
Because they got the oppressor oppressive narrative a little
mocked up, we might say, and we're gonna their consequences
and how they're going to unfold pretty brutally over the next
few months.
John C Dvorak: She did nails next few months, but
Adam Curry: sure, now it's happening now. I think this is
happening. And the big thing is politically, like now people
are, oh my god. I have these really short little clips. Some
some of these people took their children I'm talking seven year
olds seem like they were some five year olds. They took them
to Washington DC. stood them outside of the White House. Put
the camera put little cliffy A's on them. It's all these kids are
in their Palestinian scarves. And they made them say horrible
things. This Oh no, this is this is rageous
John C Dvorak: when you say this not gonna fold the next couple
of months. I don't see it. It's still going in the wrong
direction. It's going to be years before this is turned
around. Well, well, you're just giving me more examples. No as
an example No,
Adam Curry: no, I think what we're seeing now the reason why
they're going to have to turn the tide particularly on Israel,
but also Ukraine we'll get to that is because when you have
kids on the news doing this
that's just but now listen to this one.
Biden Biden, why Do you say
John C Dvorak: you say how many kids have you killed today?
Adam Curry: How many kids? Oh, genocide
John C Dvorak: Joe has got to go. And that's another one
Adam Curry: that's you know, that's just kids who just the
parents taught him this stuff. But this kid caught by outside
of the purview of his parents has the quote of the day. Don't
believe Joe Biden. That's your future Democrat voter. It is
Unbeliev Joe Biden ever. And then you know, in Hollywood,
Hollywood is messy.
John C Dvorak: The kid even knows who Joe by really knows
who Joe Biden is. Not Of course, it's Perth. You're right. This
is child abuse at his war at the most extreme, yes.
Adam Curry: And then you get stuff like this
Unknown: academy award winning actress Susan Sarandon has been
dropped from major Hollywood agency Uta, following her
comments that American Jews are getting a taste of what it feels
like to be a Muslim. And Her comments come at a time America
is seeing a rise in anti semitism. We know Susan Sarandon
from the hit movies Thelma and Louise, and you want her Oscar
for dead man walking. But now the internet is flooded with
calls for Susan Sarandon to stick to acting and quit the
divisive rhetoric. She made the comments that a pro Palestinian
rally in New York City last Friday. Let's recap what she
said.
There are a lot of people that are afraid, afraid of being
Jewish at this time and are getting a taste of what it feels
like to be a Muslim.
Adam Curry: And she was a top promoter of Biden against Trump.
So it's falling apart. And then wait
John C Dvorak: a minute stop there. I don't know if you
recall this, but she actually was originally for Trump for
half a second. Well, until they her peer group got on her. Yes.
And then she
Adam Curry: put a pussy hat on. It was good to go. But we've
also reached peak incubator they have nothing left to do. There's
no more propaganda. Once you're here in
Unknown: each of these incubators, fragile, tiny lives,
their babies are sick and emaciated, born prematurely and
even more vulnerable because during those first crucial
weeks, they were surrounded by war. They evacuated first to
southern Gaza from the embattled they'll ship a hospital in the
north on Monday to were reunited with their mother. Today was the
first time I was able to see my daughter's 39 days after I gave
birth. She says the feelings of fear and worry and my emotional
state was very difficult. The twins were among the 28 Babies
then evacuated to Egypt. A freelance journalist working for
CBC News took this video has they left to receive urgent care
so
Adam Curry: they had all the babies in the incubator out of
the incubators incubator, I mean, your peak incubator. So
then all right, the phone call goes out like bro, Bb, bro, we
got to do something this You're killing us over here, man.
Unknown: After a grueling 46 days, the Israeli parliament has
voted in favor of a hostage deal with Hamas. Qatar has mediation
along with Egypt and the US have secured a short but crucial
period of respite. It
looks ahead to me this deal could signal a change in the
general atmosphere of this conflict. This will be a break
in the wave and we'll create a new reality that may convince
the Israelis that power doesn't always achieve the desired
results. And that sitting at a negotiation table is better and
can bring more practical results for us. And for them, yeah, more
than what they can gain from the battlefield.
Gonna deal promises some relief for both sides. But Netanyahu
has made it clear. This is only temporary.
But there is nonsense out there as if after the ceasefire to
return the hostages. We will stop the war and I'd like to
make it clear. We are at war and we will continue the war until
we achieve all our goals, eliminate a mass return all the
hostages and missing and guarantee that there will be no
threat to Israel in Gaza.
Adam Curry: So they're there. They're there already. They got
it all set. There's nothing left of Gaza is realized. They got
the aid. They've played the incubator card. He's done.
John C Dvorak: What once you play the incubator card, you're
done. I mean,
Adam Curry: especially when you play it. I mean, that's like the
aces of incubators. I mean, that's just you're you're done
you're just it's there's not there's no turning back at that
point. It's so bad now that our state depart this guy, this
State Department guy, he's no good. Which one? Which one? The
one who does the press briefings?
John C Dvorak: Is that is that Jake Sullivan look like? Yeah,
yeah, yeah, but he's not looks like If you look at him, he
looks like a 1920 Silent filmmaker.
Adam Curry: Well, it would be better if he didn't speak
because he flubbed this one up bad.
Unknown: Whatever infrastructure exists at a hospital under a
hospital, no matter who put it there, terrorists should not be
using that infrastructure to embed themselves underneath the
civilian target, underneath a civilian civilian hospital
underneath a hospital that is supposed to exist for the care
of civilian civilian
Adam Curry: targets. I mean,
Unknown: and making that using that in that facility, shields
homina, homina, homina Homina separate issues and who might
have built whatever room it is the former prime minister was
referring to Yeah, have the habit
Adam Curry: blah, blah. Now we BB do something. You're killing
us. This is no good, but Democrats, we don't look good,
man. We do not look good. And then meanwhile, Ukraine is
really this is over. This is over Richard Haass went on
Morning, Joe. And he wrote this big article about the war and
the end his Council on Foreign Relations former shut was it was
the Secretary of Defense. He was up there. He definitely was. On
a second. Oh, wait a minute. He was have him here. Then always
Council on Foreign Relations,
John C Dvorak: which you? Definitely
Adam Curry: the president of the Council on Foreign Relations.
Yeah, he runs the place. Yeah. Or he just stopped I think he he
was in his visor. Up policy planning for the Department of
State adviser to Colin Powell. When he was he
John C Dvorak: was one of these he was advisors like he
basically what he is still ahead as CFR is an advisor but the
only thing is really looks like he did anything for crap was the
was the special envoy for Northern Ireland. The rest of it
is pretty much all cons on Foreign Relations. So he has
like he won the Presidential Citizens Medal. I'd like to know
but okay, so he's
Adam Curry: written an article that is basically end the war in
Ukraine. Now, you co wrote
Unknown: a new piece this morning for Foreign Affairs
entitled a new strategy must balance means and ends. Explain
your concern, especially as the White House is managing wars on
two completely different fronts
will make it the White House is managing two wars. But in both
of them, I would say we're increasingly at odds with our
allies and partners, we just talked previous hour about their
differences with Israel, about how the wars being fought and
about what comes after. In Ukraine, I think we've got a
real problem where there's simply an enormous gap between
what the goals are of the of the of the policy and what the
realities are. The idea that Ukraine is going to militarily
liberate all the land that Russia occupies approximately
20% of their territory. It's laudable, I support it, it's
just not going to happen.
Adam Curry: Well, this is a change. It's just not going to
happen. And then he explains why and what should be done. And, of
course, it's time to rebuild. We need to get the dollars flowing
to rebuild Ukraine. We got to get this thing going people
there's money, how long
Unknown: to our allies in Europe who've all done? I think,
together, NATO has done an extraordinary job. How much
longer do we continue pushing? I think, what what many people in
Pentagon would think see unrealistic goal of Ukraine
driving every last Russian out of out of their country.
It's exactly the right. Question, Joe. And what concerns
me is when people get this solution and increasingly come
to the way you were, you and I are that Oh, desirable as it is
simply not feasible. They're going to increasingly sandwich
house we're hearing I'm
John C Dvorak: sorry. I think Scarborough's is
Adam Curry: obviously a far Yeah, yeah. But it puts him and
put Scarborough squarely in the stop the war can
Unknown: increasingly come to the
John C Dvorak: EU. And I was telling him
Adam Curry: yeah, this is the message, Joe, this is where we
are right, Joe?
Unknown: as desirable as it is. It's simply not feasible.
They're going to increasingly say, and we're hearing it in the
house, we're hearing in parts of Europe, why should we keep doing
this? We're already stretched for trying to support Israel,
we're worried about Taiwan. And even if we give everything we
need to give or want to give to Ukraine, it still won't lead to
success. What I argued, therefore, is the United States
needs to have some very direct conversations with Ukraine with
President Solinsky talking about reducing their emphasis on
liberating land increasingly put all their emphasis on holding on
to what they've got.
Adam Curry: Be happy with what you God's the landscape just you
can look you got 8% is Good is good. You
John C Dvorak: know, you might have stumbled onto something
here. This guy as the head of CFR went on to shows possibly to
turn Joe around, boom, specifically 45 seconds left
Unknown: here, in the long run diplomatically through
sanctions, yes, we can try to see the rest of their territory
return. But for right now, let's have 80% of this country save
80% of this country, rebuilt, I would actually rebuild the
ceasefire as an interim arrangement to expose the
Russians for what they are so we can rebuild support for Ukraine
in this country. But we've had two fighting seasons, the idea
that one or two or three more years of this is going to result
in success. I simply don't see it. Russia is on a war footing.
They have access also to arms from North Korea and Iran. So I
just think anytime in foreign policy anytime in life, there's
a big gap between what you're trying to Enlai your ability to
do it, you've either got a crush or mines or low goals. And I
think here the only realistic option as a tactical measure, is
to lower our goals. And
Adam Curry: right on cue, the G 20 brings back Vladimir
Unknown: was the first G 20 summit Vladimir Putin has
joined, albeit remotely since the 2022. Ukraine conflict. In a
virtual meeting with world leaders on Wednesday, the
Russian president softened his usual hostile tone, referring to
the conflict as a tragedy. And even at one point, using the
word war to describe Russia's full scale invasion of Ukraine,
instead of his preferred term of special military operation.
colleagues
have already said in their speeches, that they are shocked
by the ongoing aggression of Russia in Ukraine. And we must
think about how to stop this tragedy. By the way, because
Russia has never refused peace negotiations with Ukraine. It's
not Russia and Ukraine that has publicly announced that it's
withdrawing from the negotiation process. This is
Adam Curry: he's signaling he's like, Okay, I hear you CFR,
we're good. But all we ever wanted was that 20% Now, that's
our that's our turf. And cried me, yeah, you're not getting
that back. No, that's for sure. Yeah. So be happy with it.
Volodymyr McGregor was
John C Dvorak: on what his normal talk show that he keeps
showing up on coughing constantly.
Adam Curry: I should probably Oh, that's not good. Well, he's
John C Dvorak: coffee. Yes, but then he I'm watching him. And
He's coughing coughing, and I any pull. Um, this is a I'm
gonna throw out a pro tip for all you podcasters and wannabes.
Here we go. He picks up a glass of ice water with ice cubes in
it and takes a big swig because He's coughing so much. If you
have an issue coughing, you want tepid water tepid and not ice
water makes you cough more tepid
Adam Curry: is the word of the day. Can you use epic in
essentially what
John C Dvorak: tepid water tepid? You keep drinking? I
mean, I drink cold soda on this show and I'll start coughing
near the end. Yes, but I know better I just haven't delight
for it. But when I saw him and he kept picking his glass of
iced water up and causing more noise and it was terrible.
McGregor McGregor made the conclusion that our side what
the Washington side is very funny clip. Our side is so
incompetent that we're the ones that are preventing anything
from ending in Ukraine because we've got nobody that can even
admit that we're wrong or can do any negotiating it's a mess. And
so he predicts the worst he doesn't see an ending like Haas
would like to see it because our site is got a bunch of
Boneheads. Well
Adam Curry: then because it's Thanksgiving, all of a sudden
the candy Navia shows up with some good news. One of our
producers got this one through to me. It looks like to
conservatives in in the Canadian Parliament caught caught a fast
one being pulled, which may have been one of the or it may still
be one of the intended uses for Ukraine. Because you know,
Ukraine is going to be very useful. It's gonna be useful for
a while it's still going to be great for money laundering, it's
still going to be great for crime for cybercrime. It's still
going to be fantastic for hookers and drugs. You know it
now it'll be more controlled. It'll be controlled by whoever
ultimately controls Volodymyr. But a fast one was pulled
Unknown: but also in Ottawa. There was heated debate today in
the House of Commons on the updated candidate Ukraine Free
Trade Agreement. The Conservatives voted on this
against the new legislation this week and leader Pierre Paul you
have said the bill imposes a carbon tax on the people of
Ukraine.
Adam Curry: Pathological obsession these liberals have
with carbon taxes has now reached a level where it is safe
to impose their destructive carbon tax on the people. If
Ukraine to
Unknown: turn down a free trade agreement with a beacon of
democracy like Ukraine. What is up with that party?
That's what Canadians want to know. And this carbon tax
excuse, no one's buying
helped me understand this free trade legislation, free trade
deals. They're mutually negotiated. For pure polyester
is saying that Canada is imposing a carbon tax on Ukraine
while they have a knife to their throat. What's the truth of
this?
Okay, just a note, of course, I
work with whatnot for the Ukraine.
It's the point here being that is a scene that's peculiar and
kind of disappointing interpretation. The fact is that
yes, this was a mutually negotiated agreement. And that
it simply says that both sides will consult on and promote the
idea of carbon pricing,
Adam Curry: which is the most important thing they will need
to get a price on carbon they've been trying this for a decade.
And the and it sounds longer. Well that we've really been
aware of it this longer carbon pricing. So Good one, good one
tried to do some carbon pricing, get it get a price on carbon. By
the way, just before we slip away from the pressure on
genocide, Joe
John C Dvorak: Welby, I think I have a Ukraine clip. Okay. Yeah,
yeah. Sure. You got what you're buying them? Like I was saying
them like,
Adam Curry: okay, bang away.
John C Dvorak: Do I have a Ukraine?
Adam Curry: Ukraine clip?
John C Dvorak: No, I'm mad at Ukraine clips. Well, I have one
for Sunday. Well,
Adam Curry: because you sent me an article, put it in the show
notes and I found another one. Because APEC AIPAC is also
leaning heavily on the Democrat party in America.
John C Dvorak: Yay, Pac. You mean, the Arab Israeli American
Israeli AIPAC as opposed to AIPAC, the meet up that you just
had in San
Adam Curry: Francisco? That's APEC. No, this is a PAC, the
American Israel Public Affairs Committee. Right. So they, they
pretty much got a Republican in Michigan, but kicking the
Democrat out, and why because the Democrat was like, Oh, I
like AOC. The squad's cool, they're great. Boom. So the
Democrats out the Republicans in and now and this is Oh, this
this just came through on Yahoo. This is horrible. AIPAC seeks to
unseat Congressional Black Caucus members over Israel.
John C Dvorak: They get money. Yes. So in the wherewithal, they
have people that know how to do marketing.
Adam Curry: Yeah. Well, that's I mean, these all these
politicians own fault, then they're not they don't work for
the people. They don't talk to the people. They talk to money.
Yeah, and the parties. Oh, I need a million dollars to be on
a committee. It's also
John C Dvorak: corrupt. Yeah, we've we haven't talked about
that for years. Well, it's true. If you know it is true. You have
to pay to be the if you're the chairman of a major committee,
you have to pay your party. Millions of dollars.
Adam Curry: So you have to be raising millions of dollars all
the time. Otherwise the you have no power, no influence. It's
also cynical. So we need to we need one of those melee guys are
a feared builders. Wait, we have one Trump, the Dutch Trump. We
got the American Trump.
John C Dvorak: Who do we have the American Trump yet well,
they
Adam Curry: are freaked out about the American Trump. The
end the best Trump hate is coming from MSNBC. Without a
doubt it's fantastic. Well, let's just stay with the with
the with the Jew hate. Jen Psaki trying out a new hairdo, which
is not working. She's trying to flip flip, flip up flip downs
like flippy curls look just like an idiot. Yes, she does. You're
right. Nailed it. And she had on the governor of Illinois, who
streets are filled with genocide, Joe protesters. But
she's great Pritzker, the Jewish himself to come on and talk
about you know, because you know, Trump is clearly Adolf
Hitler. We just got to go back to that mean, bring it back.
Unknown: The migrant crisis, though, is front and center for
a lot of people in this country on the border, but also states
like Illinois. Are you worried that his talk tough approach is
going to be appealing to some people in the country? Jen, you
know, I lead the building of a Holocaust Museum.
Adam Curry: We built a Holocaust Museum ladies, what to do with
Trump. That just shows he's a good Jew have
Unknown: a Holocaust Museum. The rhetoric that's being used by
Donald Trump, the rhetoric that's being used by some of the
Magga extremists is rhetoric that was used in the 1930s in
when
Adam Curry: you call when you call people from a political
party extreme remember is that not by itself rhetoric that has
been used throughout dictatorial and
John C Dvorak: the 30s from Hitler 30s from Islam is more
like Hitler than Trump.
Unknown: Maga extremists is rhetoric that was used in the
1930s. In Germany. I am very concerned about the direction of
the country. If we see policies like what Donald Trump is
espousing come to light for our country.
I think you're referencing in part. He used the word, vermin.
Adam Curry: He used the word vermin. And by the way, Trump
does this purposefully. And as we call nom, yum, yum, yum.
There's their sucky taking the bait,
Unknown: just recently to describe who he was targeting as
one of the leading Jewish governors in the country. I
mean, what did you eat it when you heard
John C Dvorak: that? What Wait, did she say one of the douche
governors?
Adam Curry: Yes. She said one of the Yeah, she said one of the
leading douche Governors of the country?
Unknown: Well, it's just one in a long series of remarks, words
that Donald Trump has used that are unfortunately reminiscent
of, you know, the past? Yes. Let me just be clear,
Adam Curry: very, very reminiscent of the past, in
Germany
Unknown: in the 1930s people that they didn't want to have
power people that they wanted to separate and segregate. They
began calling them immigrants, even people who were has been
injured that began calling them immigrants.
Adam Curry: Yeah, what does
John C Dvorak: she read? Is he redesigning the whole world war
two scenario here? Yes. And the immigrants bull crap. This is
not true.
Adam Curry: Remember, he led the building of the Holocaust
Museum. So
Unknown: then he must be right. Yeah, they began calling them
immigrants. Even people who were had been in Germany for
generations, Jews who were doctors, lawyers in government,
at the time, became known as immigrants, even though they
were German. And this is a way to begin to segregate people.
And then eventually, at least what happened in Germany is that
they turned it into a way to almost dehumanize almost, and
then they did in fact dehumanize by calling them vermin and kill
people. I don't know where it's going. With Donald Trump. What I
can tell you is the things that he talks about are frightening
to those of us who know the history of Europe in the 1930s
and 40s. And now,
Adam Curry: could this be anything like calling people
calling for people to die if they if they want to go to the
hospital to have a heart attack? Because the unvaccinated people
who don't wear masks telling them to just die? Is that kind
of is that similar to what he's saying here? Just other reaction
that way, because I think he pretty much did that.
John C Dvorak: He did. Yeah, totally. Cuz he basically said,
if you don't get vaccinated, you die. Yes. This guy by the way,
this Pritzker guy is really the scum of the earth.
Adam Curry: Oh, this whole family is horrible. And you said
scum of the earth, your family, you know, what you just said is
reminiscent of the 1930s. You called? Yeah. Well, the earth,
John C Dvorak: I think is reminiscent of an old novel. I
read his brother,
Adam Curry: his brother, I'm sorry. Now Sr. is at the base of
this whole trans Maoist movement.
John C Dvorak: Because they're the people that are funding much
of it. Yes. Yes. And his
Adam Curry: that's anti semitic. By the way, you just called a
Jew, someone who's funding something bad, John, bad, bad
bad.
Unknown: predilection for revenge. And what that will mean
for you know,
Adam Curry: groups of predilection for revenge, this
is the problem
Unknown: that didn't support him. That sounds to me like he
gets elected. What
Adam Curry: is going on here? And here's the next clip from
morning, Joe. Again, the the established the state's let's
just call the state and it will, it's not necessarily Democrats,
it's the it's people in agencies, the people who have
corrupted this country, our country have corrupted it. They
are afraid because they know not now there's too much is out
there. We've seen the Twitter files, you know, we understand
fake news, no agenda, but everyone listens to no agenda.
And wow, that boy, that's all crap. You know, we're kind of
part of the problem. But now they're all worried that Donald
Trump will come in and is going to hang them. Do
Unknown: you want to be fair, then you will frame this as Joe
Biden being the candidate that supports American democracy, and
Donald Trump, a candidate who supports a new form of
government hear this authoritarian, a new it's a new
form
Adam Curry: of government, a new form of government,
authoritarian, it's a new form it's never been done before
managed
John C Dvorak: to do that with with the powers that With the
way that things are balanced of powers Well, we saw we have set
up in this country with the justice and the legislator and
the executive branches, the three branches. How does that
work? How can that even be done? We saw him I mean, I don't
understand this. All I see we go on the mat, the counter Mastodon
me not our Mastodon, but you listen to the other guys. The
other side, they're all the lefties who have quit Twitter in
a huff. And all they do is say the same thing that the is the
end of democracy is the end of this is the end of that if Trump
gets in, but the system won't allow Trump to do much, as you
saw the last time he was in how did that work
Adam Curry: when he had four changed? No, the only thing he
did was defend himself against Russian allegations most the
time he wasn't able to do much. Well, I guess that was good work
everybody. Government
Unknown: here, this authoritarian. It's really that
simple. And by the way, it's really that simple. It's that
simple. Oh, you can't compare leaders. Listen
Adam Curry: to mica she's she's like doing callbacks on the
side. She's like, like she's really respond. common response.
Yes.
John C Dvorak: Black church. Yes. It's
Unknown: really that simple. And by the way, wherever now, when
people go, Oh, you can't compare
Adam Curry: leaders like diamond and silk get comparing
Unknown: this past Nazi leader or that past fascist leader,
because he hasn't done that. Well. What hasn't He done? He
hasn't done the things that the American judicial system did not
allow him to Yes, last time, may very well allow him to do this
time or what?
Adam Curry: So it didn't happen last time. But it's gonna happen
this time. A judicial
Unknown: system that will be ignored by Donald Trump. Oh, ran
over by Donald Trump. Do
Adam Curry: you mean like all the executive orders Joe Biden
did the minute he came into office like that
Unknown: to create the greatest constitutional crisis of our
lifetimes? Because he hasn't done it yet. Doesn't mean he
won't do it. When he gets a chance to do it. And logic
because
Adam Curry: it gets better. It gets better, doesn't
Unknown: mean he won't do it, when he gets a chance to do it.
And if he has voted into office, then a lot of these people that
are talking about literal or figurative or whatever the hell
they're saying, You gotta look like idiots. Because he will do
he will get away with he will imprison he will execute through
whatever he's
Adam Curry: allowed. He's gonna execute people he's gonna kill
they're gonna hang them who in prison
Unknown: gilia teens execute. Drive from the country. Just
look at his past.
Adam Curry: Yeah, where he executed everybody.
John C Dvorak: He had a gun, pulled it out and shot him in
the Oval Office. He
Adam Curry: didn't even lock up Hillary Clinton. Come on. He
John C Dvorak: didn't even right he's Hillary go without any
issue at all. But
Adam Curry: then then come this my final trump hate clip. But
then comes the now this is kind of dangerous when you start
saying this stuff. But just imagine if if a maga Republican
had said this. This is representative Daniel Goldman,
who I believe is from California. He's Goldman from
California. I don't know we have
John C Dvorak: hundreds. Alright, so
Unknown: there's been so much speculation contemplation,
discussion of what Trump wanted to do discussion, contemplation,
what he knew or didn't know. I mean, do you think as a
prosecutor repressor this is something that could be useful
in the case against Trump? How will be used? Yeah,
well, I mean, look, he says it would be well received, because
he knows that the people who were there are his supporters
who he riled up and incited to invade and riot at the Capitol
and tried to disrupt the proper counting of the Electoral
College votes. So every time he talks, he's putting himself into
a bigger criminal hole. But but that's not his objective. His
objective is purely political at this point. Politics don't work
in a courtroom, as I think he's finding out in the New York
Attorney General's case in New York, a civil case and that's
going to continue in his criminal trials. But his
rhetoric is really getting dangerous, more and more
dangerous who saw what happened on January 6, when he uses
inflammatory red
Adam Curry: when he told everybody to stop it when he
said peaceful Don't Don't do anything crazy. That rhetoric is
we saw what happened when he was please please don't do it happen
on
Unknown: January 6, when he uses inflammatory rhetoric now and
his recent true social post is incredibly incredibly scary for
anyone that might be trying to work in government. Because
Adam Curry: I don't know he's because it's not really
Unknown: incredibly because he's projecting is really what's
going on incredibly scary for or anyone that might be trying to
work in government.
Adam Curry: He that's interesting trying to he was
gonna say operate. But then he said working government I don't
know maybe the lifestyle was weird you're right
Unknown: is incredibly, incredibly scary for anyone that
might be trying to work in government and it is just
unquestionable at this point that that man cannot see public
office again he is not only unfit, he is destructive to our
democracy. And he has to be, he has to be eliminated.
eliminated, eliminated, there
John C Dvorak: is a threat that the secret server should look
into. It's
Adam Curry: Trump. You can say whatever you want. I do you see
my bid on Psaki. I said Trump should be eliminated. Hey, touch
me.
John C Dvorak: So crazy. I only have to Trump clips which are
base clips about the winner freaking out over his numbers
going up.
Adam Curry: Oh, no. Oh, no. His numbers are going up this NTD
Unknown: Yeah, get another win for former President Trump and a
major poll of Trump's presidential campaign has been a
success so far. Congress, meanwhile is a bit less
successful. Dozens of lawmakers are resigning some out of
frustration. Entities area and pasture brings you an election
update.
Former President Trump is widening his lead over President
Biden in a hypothetical 2024 matchup. That's according to the
prominent Emerson College Poll. In November last year, the poll
found that Biden was leading over Trump with 45 to 41%. A
month ago Trump was leading with 47 to 45%. Now Trump's lead
increased by two points to 47 to 43%, Biden took a big hit in
support among minorities, losing a total of 26 percentage points
over the last year. Meanwhile, at Congress, California
representative and assured this week announced that she's
stepping down after three decades. So far over 30
lawmakers this year announced that they're not seeking
reelection. This comes after too exhausting House Speaker races
to near government shutdowns and multiple attempts to impeach
censor or expel officials and all that while Congress is still
in its first session. Various lawmakers are disappointed with
the way things are going on the hill. Representative Earl
Blumenauer, who has been in Congress for over 25 years told
Punchbowl news it's insane and it adds no value to my life. The
things I care about, I can do better not here.
Adam Curry: Mr. NTD are the Chinese just making the AI
people now? This guy very robotic read?
John C Dvorak: You see these guys and they're they don't look
like they sound? That's what's weird about it. Well,
Adam Curry: it's it's definitely I mean,
John C Dvorak: it's exciting. This is diversity in action.
This is true diversity is kind of off putting Why should
everyone sound like the same
Adam Curry: guy. Okay, but it's, it sounds like a robot.
John C Dvorak: There's a part two to this.
Unknown: Now over to local elections. In South Carolina,
the City of Charleston voted for a Republican mayor for the first
time since 1877. That's almost 150 years. Former South Carolina
GOP Representative William Coxwell. won the race on
Tuesday. And in New York, former Governor Andrew Cuomo is
reportedly considering running for mayor of New York City.
According to political websites that Cuomo might run if current
Mayor Eric Adams resigns or decides not to run for re
election
Adam Curry: who there was
John C Dvorak: the R word in there. And there goes our guy.
Oh, we can't have that. We need that guys is because now that's
Adam Curry: interesting, because you have they have they first of
all, I think Eric Adams got kicked out of the club because
he said, Hey, this is not working in New York City. You
know, this is going to cost us too much money, Cardi B how he
hates him. Now.
John C Dvorak: You got Cardi B
Adam Curry: cardi V hating you, then that's pretty bad. And then
that
John C Dvorak: fact is a clip we'd play but it's so insane is
his whole F words. Get it?
Adam Curry: And, you know, and he was like, Well, you know,
this is no good. These migrants and they, they kicked him out of
the club. They sent him on a reeducation tour. And then they
and now they're investigating his largest fundraiser, this
guy's gonna get knocked out. And he's gonna get thrown into one
of those local prison camps. Yeah, I mean, New York get out
of New York.
John C Dvorak: Did you see some good clips floating around about
New York and the prison camps. Now, back to the election and
Trump and versus Biden. I do have a couple of clips from the
birthday. But Biden just had a birthday. Hey, isn't at 92 Come
on. Now. Let's not be ageist 8181 anyone so he was on and Fox
and Friends on that that's not foxes Fox weekend they just
botched everything I mean I have to say and I'm listening to Fox
why more than you are they are just they are just making
mistakes left and right and I want you to I'm gonna play these
tips and I'm going to be very critical here Fox are people who
think that we'd like Fox
Adam Curry: ever liked Fox no and you in particular because
run by Democrats we all know it
John C Dvorak: Yeah, it's run by Democrats. So I want to play
this is the Biden beat a rap gaffe and I want you to you
should be able to spot the gaps by the way.
Adam Curry: When I say rump, I'd have no hate against Democrats.
I really don't. But the Democrats system just like the
Republican system, the jack offs, all of them. Okay, back to
you, Bob.
John C Dvorak: So let's go with Biden birthday gift. What do you
apologizing for?
Adam Curry: I just want people to understand that I
John C Dvorak: love you don't hate Democrats.
Adam Curry: I don't hate people who are who vote Democrat.
People. Okay. You're
John C Dvorak: a lover. Not a hater. Hey, too many eggs.com
Too many. Christmas that's my out by Biden birthday right now
you I think the gaps right away and then we'll we can see you'll
spot it. But you might not President
Unknown: Biden landed on the South Lawn here at the White
House just a short time ago. And it's safe to say there's going
to be no surprise at first birthday party for him tonight,
here at the White House. And when the clock strikes 12 and
probably not tomorrow, either, with all expected to be a low
key affair with all focus on the turkey part and maybe a shot a
wild turkey for the staff. But here's what David Axelrod told
The New York Times about President Biden quote, I think
he has a 5050 shot here but no better than that maybe a little
worse. He thinks he can cheat nature here and it's really
risky. They've got a real problem if they're counting on
Trump to win it for them. I remember Hillary doing that too.
Now on Fox News Sunday, Senator Chris Coons responded to
Axelrod.
That's an interesting point from David in 2007. A year out from
the 2008 election. I'll remind you that poll after poll was
showing that Barack Obama was going to lose to Rudy Giuliani,
and in 2011 that Barack Obama was going to lose to Mitt
Romney, head to head polls a year out frankly, don't say much
at all. Now,
a recent article in Politico by Jonathan Martin titled here's
how Biden can turn it around top Democrats agree that the
President needs more aggressiveness, more help from
his friends, and a few more friends Liz Cheney, Rahm Emanuel
Mitt Romney can help says the President's had issues with
Axelrod in the past. The peace warns quote, calling David
Axelrod a P word that I've been told I'm not supposed to say on
news here it rhymes with stick. Lisa, as a person who has heard
Biden use the words as he does in private is not a strategy to
win children 70 electoral votes. Now there's a new NBC poll out
today shows that 80 years old soon to be 81 by the way tonight
at the stroke of midnight, by not having the necessary mental
and physical health to be president for a second term. 59%
say that's a major concern.
Adam Curry: Well, first of all, did Biden run against Giuliani?
No, of
John C Dvorak: course not. He ran against McCain was
Adam Curry: gonna say was how that that was the gaffe. Right.
Yeah.
John C Dvorak: And the gaffe was was, here's the thing about the
gaffe. It was Giuliani was never really in the picture that
you're no you can't say,
Adam Curry: oh, Ron Paul was in the picture more than
John C Dvorak: Giuliani. But here's the thing about the gaff.
Chris Coombs, is Biden's campaign manager. I didn't know
that. He so that's one aspect of this. The second thing is you
got four people on this show, sitting at the Dyess. None of
them caught that. And then you have another five people
minimum, the more in the control room with people in their ears.
None of them caught it. There's a floor manager. He didn't catch
it. What is wrong with this place? Well,
Adam Curry: wait, you're telling me that cable news is full of
crap. Imagine Here
John C Dvorak: we go. A second gaff coming up. That is just
right part of this first gaff, and it's just like, every blows
by everybody. Here we go with part two
Unknown: 15% say it's a moderate concern, whatever that means.
12% minor concern and 14% say it's no real concern. And by the
way, that poll also showed Biden with the lowest approval rating
of his presidency, you guys.
Well, you know, they've had 80 years to prepare for it.
I hope it's a great party
tonight. Tomorrow. Thank you, Lucas. Oh, 81. Yeah,
yeah, well, but the he just starts his 81st year so they've
had only 80 years to prepare for it.
Adam Curry: I mean, I didn't know what that was about.
John C Dvorak: It was idiotic. It's he's on his 82nd year. He
says he's David 80 years to prepare for it. And the girl
says no 81 Because he's 81. So he's had 81 years and he's been
in business for 81 years. It's like when you're a one year old
you're you're not starting your first birthday. You're you're
you're already one you're going to to know
Adam Curry: what's happening as you're watching these shows, and
you're getting riled up just like they are you like, it's
like, you're like listening to idiocy.
John C Dvorak: Yes. The fact that he said he calls her and
says, no, no. He says, No, he's gonna He's gonna he's working on
his ad first year, she says to her in cheek, and she has, I
don't want to say it. But as a submissive woman, Oh, apparently
Oh, here we go. She backs off to the male's intent was foolish
shit, by the way, this guy. And she shouldn't say anything. And
the other female that's on the panel doesn't say anything. And
the other male, who I think might even be Gutfeld. But it's
not something that's either got fields on the on the five. And
so but it's somebody else, and it's nobody calls the guy on
this bullshit. In fact, I have the follow up what happens right
afterwards, which is just wanders off of you. This is
stunning to me that this is so stupid on Fox, you
Adam Curry: can't watch this. This is not healthy for you. You
John C Dvorak: play this
Unknown: report, only 80 years to prepare for it. Dr. Sapphire,
you know, explain this to us.
I mean, you know, at this kind of age, he's gonna be at six. If
you were to win another term and finish. What are the problems? I
mean, what, what, what could go wrong here? anything
can go wrong with any single person any day of the week. Hey,
Adam Curry: he's, he's handing you the alley up lady. What
you're supposed to say is he could die. That's that wasn't
that the alley up right there. What could go wrong? He's 81.
What could pop by the way. That's also ages. I don't like
any of it.
John C Dvorak: That's not nice. That's his fox. This. This
really deteriorated?
Adam Curry: Yes. Ever since Tucker left. There was never so
Greg and Kelly left.
John C Dvorak: Actually, I think you could probably trace it back
to Megan Kelly. Yeah. Yeah. All right. But she left it was her
fault for the whole thing because she was all in on the on
the me to thing that was going on at the station to get rid of
the guy who started the whole thing.
Adam Curry: Let's talk about something we know about.
John C Dvorak: We know about this we know about? Well,
Adam Curry: first I need to congratulate and commend you for
being right for four days. Yeah, it was right for for me, okay.
You called it you called it you called it. Everybody was like,
wow. And usually they attribute that to me. But they got it
right. Like John, really? You called it Sam Altman going to
Microsoft. I mean, you nailed it. The clip was very clear.
Like you said, oh, yeah, Microsoft sucks these guys right
up. And I was like, wow, there you go. That's perfect. And then
things started to change. And this is, I have a lot of
thoughts on this, as you can imagine, because we've uncovered
so much about what was really going on at open AI. And I think
we are in fact, at peak AI hype, and I have a feeling all of this
is about to fall apart quicker than we expected. But first, let
us listen to the experts of finance over at CNBC led by
Andrew Ross Sorkin, who of course is one of the CO creators
of the hit show billions on Showtime. Explain what's going
on. Let's talk
Unknown: about the big news that broke overnight because a lot of
Adam Curry: folks by the way, this is big news. You know, the
world stopped. Kara Swisher your protege was running around on
Twitter. God, I called it I called it I'm great. I'm the
best reporter ever. Look at my reporting. I am so proud of my
reporting. She's really unconscionable very harshly
John C Dvorak: spiking the ball.
Adam Curry: What happened to
John C Dvorak: mosh pit
Adam Curry: Do you think that that as a child she no one ever
told her she was worth worthy or something? Because you're right.
All she's doing is spiking the ball and then I call that he's
going to Microsoft. I call that he's not going to make it up.
This is my great reporting. I've got Satya Nadella. Now I like
exclusive interview. Satya Nadella is on every single
channel doing interviews. Anyway, back to the the boy
genius have
John C Dvorak: you know, I think you should get a room.
Adam Curry: I would give her a piece of my mind that's for sure
about
Unknown: the big news that broke overnight because a lot of folks
focused on it already this morning open AI posting on X
that Sam Altman will now officially return as CEO, former
Salesforce CEO Brett Taylor, and former Treasury Secretary Larry
Summers will join AI's opens board. Taylor was named board
chair and then chorus CEO Adam D'Angelo will remain on the
board all and posted on AIX. I love open AI and everything I've
done over the past few days has been in service of keeping this
team and its mission together. When I decided to join
Microsoft. On Sunday evening, it was clear that was the best path
for me and the team with the new board. And with such as support,
I'm looking forward to returning to open AI and building on our
strong partnership with Microsoft now in response
Microsoft CEO Satya Nadella posting in part quote we
encouraged by the changes to the open AI board we believe this is
a first essential step on a path to a more stable, well informed
and effective governance. And ousted Chairman Greg Brockman
posting returning to open AI and getting back to coding tonight.
So he hit the keyboard. Alright,
Adam Curry: so Oh, yeah, yeah. Oh, yeah. Hit the keyboard. So
the couple of things happening here. One, no one is talking
about the board that just got wiped off the face of the map,
including Helen toner, all of these Effective Altruism, all
members, possibly members of the crazy sex cults in San Francisco
with the poly cules. Who knows what's going on there. That
board just got wiped out. Except for the Adam D'Angelo, I think,
who is I think he's, he is he's, he's friends with such an Adela.
That may be his guy for now. So now they have a three person
board mole.
John C Dvorak: I'm sorry. Yeah, mole. them all.
Adam Curry: Then you have Larry Summers. I mean, so what is
John C Dvorak: what the hell's that guy doing in there? I mean,
he got a big check to
Adam Curry: be applied check everybody.
John C Dvorak: I mean, Larry Summers is the only Council on
Foreign Relations guy in there. So he might be just a guy is
like a spook.
Adam Curry: Well, so now keeping an eye on things? Well, yes.
And, and I think what I'm starting to feel here is that
open AI, and Sam Altman is just marketing. The marketing was,
let's get everybody all crazy about AI. Throw out your chat.
GPT. Three, which really is not impressive. Yes, it can. It can
answer you like you're human. But you know, it's it's unusable
for liability in all aspects. Don't worry, chat. GPT four
would be better. Don't worry. We've got generative AI. Oh,
we've got sentient AI, it's all coming. And this, he's like, the
Elizabeth Holmes of this stuff. And he's, and he's just has that
complicated talk, you know, like, well, you know, I think
that AI will if not, if we don't do it, right, right. Right. It
will, it could, you know, could be dangerous to the world, which
is why we at open AI are working right to, to do this kind of
thing. But i i I see the just, he's not a coder. He's just a
talker. He's like Elon Musk. Like he's like
John C Dvorak: one of the main coders is this alien guy who is
the one who was responsible for getting him ousted if you look
into it, yes, I think he's gone and he's like the Russian kid
who's also got a very weird background he's been all over
the place and he's he seems more like the guy who actually knows
what that how this thing works,
Adam Curry: but it's but besides the copyright violations of
written word and images, it's just not impressive. You know,
you've got you've got competitors to chat GPT also
using already opening up App Store so you can load all your
it's like okay, so we could load all the no agenda information in
there. And we could go in and we could say what did Adam and John
say about this? And it would pop something out it may be right we
have your own it being a.io does kind of the same thing already
you can decide for yourself. But then as I'm listening to the
brilliant journalist always spot on who's who does journalism.
Kara Swisher with her great gets such an Adela two days after
he's been on every he's been on Bloomberg has been on CNBC. And
she's trying to go to men. And this Satya Nadella. What a
character this guy is. Great.
Microsoft, this is how he talks.
John C Dvorak: Yeah. And he's got to stock jacked up. Yes.
Adam Curry: And I understand the good and I understand why
because what what is the big story of AI? It's not AI. It's
that companies like Microsoft can sucker people into compute
resources using their as your cloud. That's what this is
about. It's not about ai ai. It's about selling cloud cycles
and services. And the whole open AI valuation is some hyped up
Bull crap and
Unknown: our partners and customers, whether they're using
open AI or Microsoft, but the point is we have a great
contract and not only ability, we have all the IP rights and
all the capability. I mean, look, look right, if tomorrow
opening, I disappeared, I don't want any customer of ours to be
worried about it, quite honestly. But wait
Adam Curry: a minute. So if open AI disappears, it's no problem.
We got all the IP, we got all the people, we've got all the
compute side, because we don't need them. Except to act as a
buffer in case there's a lawsuit, or to blame something
on
Unknown: it don't want any customer of ours to be worried
about it, quite honestly, because we have all of the
rights to continue the innovation not just to serve the
products. But we can, you know, go and just do what we were
doing in partnership ourselves. And so we don't need those guys,
the people we have the compute, we have the data, we have
everything, everything.
Adam Curry: We don't need those guys. In fact, Sam Altman go
back to home base.
Unknown: And so but at the same time, I'm committed to open AI
partnership, and that's kind of what I expressed to them.
And where does that stand? Because you have you invested?
Is it 13 billion or 12 billion in the company? Very
Adam Curry: interesting question. Did they really invest
$12 billion? Well, no.
Unknown: It's a complicated thing. We have a significant
investment, we it sort of comes in the form of not just dollars,
but it comes in the form of compute and what have you and
gives us significant rights.
Adam Curry: They gave them $10 billion worth of compute, which
yes, which act, which is what is that the retail price? Is? No,
yeah, that's probably retail times 10. It could be you
John C Dvorak: know, here's the thing you kind of stumbled on
everyone I mentioned before you finish this clip. He had almond
over there. And then he had to an analyze or the company
itself, or his or his lawyers had to say, look, and I don't
know if anyone's familiar with something called a shim. A shim
is software code to keep you for example, if you're using one of
these canoe, Linux or something like that, in any kind of one of
these canoe products, you if you use it, you have to give up your
rights to it and you have to give all these rights. So they
people design software code, that's called a shim, which is
something to place you between Yes. Liability, have me be
liable and demand the company that the new guys, so this is
kind of what he's must have been thinking when he said yet, when
he hired Altman over and he said, No, you go back and do it
over there. Because that prevents us if there's some May,
were there deep pockets here. Yes. If there's a major lawsuit,
you guys, you know, for you copyright violation, whatever,
eat it, you guys can eat it and just go out of business. We'll
hire you that back then and do some little thing on the side
here. But we can't be even close to this kind of liability. So
they create a shim, something that buffer them from the woods
bound to happen, which is you always complain about this. It's
bound app and a big giant lawsuit. They can take him take
him out.
Adam Curry: Well just announced yesterday, nonfiction authors
who open eyes open AI for copyright infringement. That's
just the beginning. That's just the beginning. Because they've
all said, Oh, we we've we've sucked in all of your
information. But that's fair use, you say? And it's
John C Dvorak: fair use. Okay. So the law interesting, this was
actually going to happen in is this is going to this is going
to be a Supreme Court case, eventually, because no Fair Use
law which we use, we use, we have these clips, these are all
fair uses. They're very small snippets of what's goes on for
an hour. That's
Adam Curry: not what determines fair use. Fair use is if it's an
educational setting, if you're using also a different use.
Yeah, but I'm just saying it's a fair use if we play a clip being
in which is we are in an educational news gathering
setting does
John C Dvorak: that yes, there's a lot of there's a deep
definition. Yes. But sucking everything up and then
regurgitating it is
Unknown: not for use.
Adam Curry: is not fair use. I
John C Dvorak: can see where you'd think it was. Because
look, I guess. Okay, let's let me make the argument. So I, I'm
the AI. And so I've sucked up every novel by Ernest Hemingway.
And I've decided to write an essay that in the form in the
style of Ernest Hemingway, and so the AI as AI crank out it
like, I don't know let's say 2500 word piece, but I have
sucked up Why don't know 5 million words. So I'm only
taking 2500 words out of 5 million and it's and let's say
the pieces education or it's it's different enough or it's
humorous, because dot affair yesterday pair He is allowed
here and he's free game. So So what did I do wrong?
Adam Curry: Well, the I would say go talk to vanilla ice. Go
Go talk to what's the guy who did Robin Thicke. I mean, in
music this is well established you use one little sample one
little lick one little riff, and you got a lawsuit on your hands.
Now, the thing is open AI, it's questionable whether they have
any actual revenue. They say we got 100 million people paying us
$20 A month questionable. We don't really know that. But
that's even that is chump change to Satya Nadella what he wants,
and I know because my buddy Vic, he has an integration company.
He sells this stuff, Microsoft mainly to call centers. But the
AI that is going to come with Microsoft will be transcripts of
meetings, especially your you know your team, Microsoft team
meetings, you get a transcript, it will have action items, and
then the action items will automatically be put on your
calendar. That's the kind of stuff we're talking about. Oh, I
see your Clippy on steroids.
John C Dvorak: I see flippy. That's exactly right. Yeah,
you're just Clippy on steroids. You're trying yet to see a
beefed up Clippy someone's to do some art for that. So, but
today's art has to be Thanksgiving art. So yeah. So
Adam Curry: someone you know, it'd be like, Oh, I see you're
trying to write a letter scolding your underlings here in
the organization, let me help you write that, yeah, it'll be
fine. And what they're selling what Microsoft will be selling,
and I know this firsthand, is compute cycles to suck in all of
your company's data. So let's say you have a, it could be a
law office, but could be any could just be you sell fireworks
for living doesn't matter, you know, suck up all that data,
what is the most resource intensive is creating the large
language model the LLM. So you create your own LLM, which has
to be fine tuned, you get all kinds of expensive guys like
comic strip blogger, to do what because that's what he does to
fine tune at all that costs millions of dollars,
particularly in very expensive compute resources, which is all
Azure Cloud. And then you can get, you can probably retrieve
some pretty reliable information about your organization, you
could also just hire a couple people who know what the heck
they're doing. So this is all some kind of pipe dream. But
Microsoft, your customers, it customers aren't waiting for
some robot to come in and do their business. Now their
customers are wanting a better script for the call center. This
is not impressive. It's just not what people think it is. And I
think we are at peak AI, let's continue.
Unknown: It's a complicated thing. We have a significant
investment we it's sort of comes in the form of not just dollars,
but it comes in the form of compute and what happened. And
that gives us significant rights. As I said, and also this
thing, it's not fenced off right? We are in there we are
below them about them, Allah around them. positions, we build
tools, we build the infrastructure. We don't need
them. So the industry analysts are saying, Oh, wow, there is
this it's really a joint project between Microsoft and open AI.
And, and, and the reality is we are as I said very self
sufficient and all of this
Adam Curry: so this is completely the new blockchain
This is such an Adela telling us look we own we own those guys
lock, stock and barrel but they're your right our shim. So
in case anything comes along that we don't like he our Altman
rd did his work. His work was to get protections for the largest
companies with the largest compute cycles ie Amazon's, AWS,
Microsoft, Azure and Google. Because all anything that's
created has to be done by those guys to make sure that your AI
for your fireworks company doesn't eat the world because
Oh, it's a robot. It's so smart bull crap. And to to accentuate
this for 14 hours, they had an interim CEO, Emmett shear,
Edmund shear is he was the CEO of Twitch. And so this gives you
an idea of the insanity of these spun up just crazy people inside
the not just open AI, but the entire AI universe, how nuts
they are. He's sitting down for a podcast with red points. This
is a new thing now with you and I know a bit about venture
capital guys. You know, we've been around we've raised money.
And so now all the venture capital guys will have a junior
partner and the junior partner does the podcast. He says the
podcast Ask for the vet for the VC. So this is some, you know,
minor limited partner douche who's interviewing Emmett shear
about AI and he's like, Y'all will always agreeing with
everything of course because they put money they got money
into AI Oh, yes, please give us money when invested for you in
AI projects. This thing is coming apart at the seams.
Listen to this. This is probably my favorite techno douche of all
time image
Unknown: here. And really I'm I'm very pro technology. And I
really believe the upsides usually outweigh the downsides.
Everything's technology can be misused. Regulating early is
usually a mistake, I have a very specific concern about AI, we
built an intelligence, it's kind of amazing, actually, we may not
be the smartest intelligence, but it is unintelligence it can
solve problems and make arbitrary plans. At some point,
as it gets better, the kinds of problems that we'll be able to
solve will include programming, chip design, material science,
power production, all the things you would need to design an
artificial intelligence. At that point, you'll be able to point
the thing we've built back itself and this will happen
before you hit that point with humans in the loop already is
happening with humans in the loop but that loop will get
tighter and tighter and tighter and faster and faster and faster
until it can fully self improve itself at which point it will
get very fast very quickly now
Adam Curry: just so we understand what he's saying he's
saying we're going to build something that is has some
intelligence it solves problems we're going to point it at
itself and then it will start developing itself into sentient
being and
Unknown: that kind of intelligence is just an
intrinsically very dangerous thing dangerous because
intelligence is power power human beings are the dominant
for our life on this planet pretty much entirely because
we're smarter than the other creatures now I just laid out a
chain of argument with a lot of if this then this if this then
this
Adam Curry: jump could you lay out a chain of argument with a
lot of if this then this then this if this then this
Unknown: please when beings are the dominant for our life on
this planet pretty much entirely because we're smarter than the
other creatures now I just laid out a chain of argument with a
lot of if this then this if this and this if it's in this I know
allies are things that like we're all doomed for sure. I buy
his doom argument I buy the chain and the logic like my P
Doom my probability of doom
Adam Curry: okay,
John C Dvorak: I buy the do i i love Do
Adam Curry: I love the chain of logic and the P Doom he is okay.
So that chain of login logic and my P Doom is a little different
than his picture.
Unknown: By by his doom argument I buy the channel the logic like
my P Doom my probability of doom is like my bid ask spread and
that's pretty high because I have a lot of uncertainty
Adam Curry: but oh John, what's your bid ask spread? What's your
bid ask spread?
John C Dvorak: Like God is this guy just nothing but cliches?
Adam Curry: I've never even heard this one. So he's
John C Dvorak: a bit I've never known. It's a stock market. Yes.
Adam Curry: But he hasn't been asked spread of probability of
doom his P do.
Unknown: I buy his doom argument? I buy the chain and
the logic. Like my P Doom, my probability of doom is like, my
bid ask spread and that's pretty high because of a lot of
uncertainty. But I would say it's like between, like five and
55
Adam Curry: and 50. That's quite the spread, young man.
Unknown: There's a wide spread, which I think Paul Cristiano,
here's
Adam Curry: the here's the VC douche piping,
Unknown: five and 50 There's a wide spread. I think Paul
Christiano 50 Cristiano who handled
John C Dvorak: back it up, but why? He says is the large spread
but what is the five represent and what is the 50 Represent?
It's
Adam Curry: these guys to just talk about their butthole
unbelievable so here's his bid so there's 5% that I don't know
I really don't know and then this other guy says, Well, you
know that guy his his bid ask spread is different. No wonder
these VCs lost their ass on FTX was Sam bank when freed they let
these people come in who either talk like this guy or talk like
Altman uncomplicated talker because I'm a deep deep thinker,
or like Elon Musk, when you know. AI could could could lead
the world, right? If we don't have guardrails? It's very
important to do that. These people are full of crap.
Unknown: Five and 50. So there's a wide spread. I think Paul
Cristiano 50 Cristiano who handled you know, a lot of the
stuff within open AI, I think, said 25 to 50. It's like if you
if you talk to most AI, researchers or some
preponderance of people, that's good that should, that should
cause you to shut your pants. spinneys human level extinction.
The human level extinction is such an exciting thing humans is
bad enough. It's like potential destruction of all value in the
light cone. Like, like not just for us, but for any species
caught in the wake of the explosion. It's like a universe
destroying bomb. This is not a figured out later thing. This is
like a big fucking problem. It's like someone who invented a way
to make like 10x more powerful fusion bombs out of like sand
and bleach. That like anyone could do at home. Yeah. It's
terrifying. And I've had enough time with it now that I can
laugh about it when I first realized it was fucking
heartstopping heartstopping
Adam Curry: technology. It's not. It used to be disruptive.
Now it's heartstopping. Because the P Doom Bid and Ask spread is
out of control. And all that's right, while thrive. How much do
we invest in? It's so bad that Bobby The Op RFK Jr. is all in
on this stuff to book I know, uses his own campaign video that
he put on x. Look, I know, you know a lot about AI. Right. And
you know how dangerous he's talking to Lex Friedman. You
know, another one of these guys complicated talkers. I'm from
MIT, and I wear a black suit with a black tie for all my
interviews. Now, you know, I'm from Russia, right? So, AI, we
have to have guardrails. But look, I know you know a lot
about AI, right. And you know, how dangerous it is potentially
to humanity and what opportunities it also but it did
kill us all. I mean, Elon said, first is going to steal our job,
and it's going to kill us. And it's probably not hyperbole,
it's actually you know, if it follows the laws of biological
evolution, which are just the laws of mathematics, that's
probably a potential endpoint, but we need to make sure it's
regulated, and it's regulated properly for safety in every
country. And that includes Russia and China, we should be
putting all the weapons of war aside and sitting down with
those guys and say, How are we going to do this? There's much
more important things to do this stuff is gonna kill us if we
don't figure out how to regulate it. And leadership needs to look
down the road and what is the real risk here and the real risk
is that AI will will enslave us. Yeah, you lost my vote Bobby,
the
John C Dvorak: boy I'll say love
Adam Curry: the very real enslave. And I think I'm, I'm
obviously not a programmer, I barely hack together the first
podcast grip. I think, you know, programmers always talk about
recursion. And that is what that that Emmett shear was basically
saying, it's like we turn looking at itself, but it's
always degenerative. It's like when you hold a mirror up
against the mirror to a certain point it's just no good it's
infinity and you don't Yes, exactly goes away. I think
mathematically
John C Dvorak: back at bat you put the two mirrors up in the
same way in the back you can see is barely mess recurrent gross.
There's recursion
Adam Curry: freezes the system. It never it never in fact
doesn't get better. No, it always gets worse. And he's
saying, you know, his bid ask spread is P Doom factor is based
upon, I think this mathematical fallacy that oh, we'll turn it
on itself. No, I just don't think so. Anyway. Now the only
the only people who are talking about what was really going on
in this open AI company, and I'm thinking, I'm thinking Satya
Nadella, who is very he turned Microsoft around. He took it
from bombers mess and turn it around into a powerhouse.
John C Dvorak: The stock the bombers mess wasn't really much
of a mess. It was a stable operation that had no it had no
pizzazz.
Adam Curry: I apologize. The stock
John C Dvorak: price was stagnant. Yeah, it was it was
stagnant. It was like a summer was not you know, ever since he
left his program Marketing Marketing programmers
programmers or whatever it was jumping up and down. days ever
since those days left the company, the excitability was he
was basically just to calm
Adam Curry: that's saying a lot about Ballmer. Such an Adela,
who has been at Microsoft for a quarter of a century probably.
He, he you know, he he, I mean, you could see it comment. He
made Microsoft exciting. It's also I mean, in my opinion,
Windows is horrible. It's never been as bad as it is now.
Windows has become an app and it's talking to Microsoft all
the I just hate it too much too much weight, but the excitement
is there. And then as you're going cloud, you know, cloud
became a thing. He saw that he needed something to ignite the
cloud service. And this is his, his fuel that he throws in my
fire. It's Yes, because he's telling all his customers. You
better get in on this AI stuff now. Oh,
John C Dvorak: because she does have a lot of cycles. Yes it
because
Adam Curry: it chews up cycles and we need you to pay for that.
If you've ever rented a server from Amazon Web Services, you
know how expensive it can get very, very quickly unless you
really know what you're doing. And I think he saw this Altman
character and went by should have clipped it but Kara Swisher
was even asking, Well, isn't Altman the kind of guy who could
become the CEO of Microsoft? That Dell was looking at this
like, are you insane woman? Altman is a weirdo. Who He is.
He's a, it's a marketing guy just like Elon Musk. I've always
said Elon Musk hasn't invented anything new. He he's, he has
that complicated. Elizabeth Holmes talk. Except Elizabeth
Holmes really didn't have anyone to execute. Elon has got people
who execute all over the place.
John C Dvorak: And they're almost at a higher and
Adam Curry: Altman. It's clear now to me, he wanted to move
ahead. He said, we're going to do the app store because there's
no other sex that's left, there's no sexiness left in, in
open AI, other than you can create your own apps and they
have SDKs and toolkits. And all of it crunches up as your
compute cycles. This is the industry they're trying to
bamboozle everybody with. And the only people still looking at
the nut jobs in open AI the x. What is it effective altruists?
He is the techno douche is from France 24. And so now and it's
rampant there. Because now the techno chick is going to explain
it to us. Let me
Unknown: just ask you that Julia. What do you think has
been happening on was
for sure is that the official reason of his early dismissal is
still unclear. But in the backdrop of all of this, you
have this battle between two different currents of thought on
how to develop AI on one hand, you have what we call people who
are in the Effective Altruism, current. So what that means is
that you're for the development of AI, but to answer let's say,
general interest questions for the greater good of the world,
and they tend to be you know, in favor of regulation. On the
other you have what we call effective acceleration ism. So
here the goal is really to advance technologically as
quickly as possible and to deal with problems as they emerge. So
Adam Curry: there you have it. Altman was in a different column
different called he was an access to an effective X
effective accelerate RISM. Have you ever heard of something so
stupid, effective, accelerate them, okay,
Unknown: in real time, and they tend to be against regulation.
So of course, this is simply put, but you can understand the
dilemma of companies who buy wanting to be a little bit too
ethical, they also risk to lose the market share. Now, what's
been said about Sam Altman is that he could have been
transitioning towards a more accelerationist vision, which
could have divided open AI as board members. Now you have to
understand that most companies who work in the AI sector are
actually in a frenzy race to go towards what we call general,
artificial intelligence, so an artificial intelligence that
would surpass us as humans in all the tasks and all domains.
Now, of course, not yet. We're not there yet. We shouldn't even
be talking about artificial intelligence, most of the time,
we should refer to deep learning machine learning. So when
algorithms are using data to train themselves, but there
isn't any intelligence there, per se,
there's no intelligence. Oh, no techno trick do tell me more. So
it's impressive Giulia, but we know that there are big
challenges as well. Whereas there
are it's very imperfect, there's what we call algorithmic bias.
So this is when the AI is going to reflect the, the bias in the
data that it uses to train itself and the data of the bias
of the data scientists. There's problem, there's a lack of
transparency, which is huge, especially when we talk about
deep neural networks. So these are neural networks are trying
to mimic the human brain in the way that it actually thinks. And
Adam Curry: these people, this of actual thought in Silicon
Valley, oh, we can do better than the brain. We can do better
than that. I mean, people only use a certain mode, although
that's been debunked, but it's like it we can do better. We can
do better than God. And this is no problem we can we can create
neural pathways. And
Unknown: here, it's very opaque. We don't know well, how the
decision process is happening. So what's the decision tree? For
instance? Of course, we're talking about the
Adam Curry: decision tree. We're back to skip logic, John, there
it is the decision. What's the decision tree here? Who planted
the seed for the decision tree? What's the
Unknown: decision tree for instance? Of course, we're
talking about data. So there's security and confidentiality
issues, ethical issues, when we're talking about autonomous
decision making by machines. There's of course,
accountability issues, if there are errors, goes to open AI, and
we often talk about this and I think it's very important the
impact of course on unemployment, because of this
automation powered by AI is going to disrupt, you know, many
jobs. And so these are all of the problems. But of course,
there's the other side of the coin is going to revolutionize
so many sectors. Let's take just one example of the health
sector. Now we're talking about early diagnosis thing to AI,
we're talking about predictive health, we're talking about
personalized treatment that's going to reduce cost is going to
reduce side effects for patients. And ultimately, it's
going to save lives. So I think, before it actually replaces us
completely, is really going to start, you know, assisting us at
least in the tests that we have on a daily basis. It's not
Adam Curry: No, it's not.
John C Dvorak: This was the medical smart systems that were
developed in the 80s. Expert systems was determined back then
in 80s, who
Adam Curry: do tell you that no, no, give us some history. I love
hearing Oh,
John C Dvorak: yeah, the expert did this is the first this is
the last time we had this is flirtation with artificial
intelligence was in the 80s. With the fifth generation
computing and all the rest of it. They had all the Stanford
had their Michigan lab and ran my lab and they're working on
all this stuff. And one of the things they came up with expert
systems, and expert systems was exactly what they're talking
about. She's kind of talking about where the ended medical
was going to be transformed by expert systems and you put your
symptoms into the computer and the computer with its AI was aI
at the time, which was an expert system, we'd come back with a
diagnosis and this was, what 45 years ago
Adam Curry: that actually has come back. It's interesting. You
bring that up because I heard on my hatless and I won't obviously
won't play it. This was a couple of weeks back they had on a guy
clearly, you know, was meant to be promoted on their show. And
he had developed kiosks. Yes, kiosks, where you walk into the
kiosk and the AI goes What is your problem? And then you say,
Well, I got a scratchy throat to put on this sensor. And then you
strap a sensor on and then and then poop it'll say you need
this and it'll pop out some that pill for you to take. This is
the same thing. This I'm not going to use it.
John C Dvorak: So they got rid of the free pills.
Adam Curry: They got rid of they got rid of the Helen toner who
was Australia not British. Thank you for correcting me everybody.
They got rid of all those Kooks and then put Sam back in. And
and he's You're right. He's the shim. So you sit there you sit
pretty. And then if you get sued out of all
John C Dvorak: hell breaks loose, you're on your own. Yeah.
That may be doing you worry about it. Because we'll go back
it will take in Yeah,
Adam Curry: we have beaten up and we have the IP, we have the
compute. And we have
John C Dvorak: IP why Microsoft is dynamite getting IP and
they're doing nothing with it. They had they stole all the IP
of the
Adam Curry: IP is intellectual property. For people who don't
know they've took all
John C Dvorak: the AI if you remember that era, it was
another little fad that took place just started kind of came
and went just before we began our show 16 years ago with these
with these machine translation systems. And there was a bunch
of them. And some of them were pretty good. And heard nearly
something learn out in the house be and there's a whole bunch of
them. You may be somehow Microsoft, and they were and
they work? Well, you mean we talk
Adam Curry: and then it would it would translate your speech,
speech to text. Yeah.
John C Dvorak: And it worked pretty well. And in fact, it
worked better than it should have left the house being
learner to whatever that one system was. And Microsoft's
always invested a little bit here and there. And they ended
up as part of the investment. When the company is all all went
under, they all went under. And Microsoft ended up with all the
IP that was part of the deal is like, well, if you go broke,
we're gonna give you money. But if you go broke, right here in
the contract, we now have the IP this is like, that's
Adam Curry: Microsoft. That's how Microsoft rolls, Microsoft.
John C Dvorak: But the thing is, they ended up collecting all
this IP. And I remember writing about this, Microsoft I was told
by one of the X guys from one of these companies that all
Microsoft is going to kick ass in this field because they own
all the IP of all the companies that did any of this work. And
they're going to be the company that does no, never have they
just IP still there nobody. They sit on it and they don't do crap
with it. It's like the I don't know what it is about them, but
they suck up IP and then they let it languish
Adam Curry: to weird well, that they do whatever they want. So
yeah, I know whether it might have been I don't know how you
feel about it, but I think this thing is falling apart. Now I
don't think it's
John C Dvorak: falling apart yet. You're always a little
ahead of this with your prediction. I think he's got a
Adam Curry: year to go or maybe okay, but not Not much, but I'm
John C Dvorak: gonna give you some kudos. I'm not gonna give
you any kudos for the following clip. But I think it'd be a nice
break and clip edge. Play this, okay? And it's not necessarily
kudos, but it's like I roll as far as I'm concerned.
Adam Curry: Can you just add them you're great you don't have
to play clip you can just say you Good job, Adam. Whatever it
is.
John C Dvorak: Well, I'm not gonna say yet. So I'm watching
the the value tainment. Guys Oh PBD.
Adam Curry: Yes, the value tainment guys
John C Dvorak: and for so some unknown reason. I don't know why
the beginning never explained it. But Roger Stone was sitting
there.
Adam Curry: I can already feel where this is going.
John C Dvorak: Is so they're talking about every thing.
They're talking about the sambangan. This not saying but I
did the same thing. Sam Altman. Get those two confused. Sam
Altman and how he got it. Dad analysis was here. Before
Adam Curry: you intro this clip, just to fix to accentuate we're
talking about Sam Altman. He ran Y Combinator. And that was one
of the really one of the 2000s one of the big things was an
incubator. It's a technology incubator, and it works. Went to
Yeah, Oh, totally. I think didn't zoom
John C Dvorak: come out of that. And slack and a lot of stuff
came out of and he made a lot of money. Yeah. And so
Adam Curry: but what but what you do is, you say, Okay, you
couple of guys, you're good. Come in here, give us 50% of
your company. And that will give you a desk, enjoy. And then when
something pops out, then you hook those guys up with your red
point. VC guys, and you're an angel investor, and you make out
like a bandit. And if you're lucky, like one or two of these
will sell and you make a lot of money. And all the rest of those
kids are just you know, they're the ones that got wiped, wiped,
wiped off of the sidewalks of San Francisco when she came to
town, but it doesn't mean that he's he's some AI Genie.
John C Dvorak: Anyway, no, not. Anyway, so it so this was about
politics, and they go on and on about what's going to happen and
how and they were talking about Trump's numbers going up like
that we just played. And he goes on and on. And so they asked him
for a rundown on what's going on with, what are they going to do
about Biden and rest? And I thought this was quite
interesting. And I think you'd enjoy it. Roger,
Unknown: who Roger who's going to make that decision to say,
President Biden, thank you for your service. Please step aside.
How
does the inner workings the inner plumbing of the DNC,
actually work? Who's making that decision? Most
Influential Democrat in the country today is Barack Obama.
There is no question about that. And these these affiliated news
outlets respond very much to him. He can he can and the way
their convention is set up is very different than the
Republican convention. So you can dump a nominee because of
the super delegates far more easily. So the fact that that
the filing deadlines have already passed in the Democratic
primary and caucus schedule for for New Hampshire, New Hampshire
and Iowa have been neutered, they've taken away their
delegates to make South Carolina the first contest, a state with
an absolute majority of African American voters in their primary
in Chicago, the convention is where Chicago the Obamas
hometown. I have predicted for some time that Michelle Obama is
the most likely news. Here's here's why. It's quite simple.
You have an African problem you have a woman of color who's the
vice president, she's next in line how do you how do you
rationalize passing her by if Joe doesn't run? How can you get
away with passing her by she's out to
pull the race card you have right well, identity politics
show you show
you replace a woman of color with a far more popular you're
gonna have two
women running the cartoon or I'm out? No,
not necessarily. But I don't think that they can. I mean, you
can't just bypass Kamala Harris, despite the fact that she
doesn't have dementia, but she makes less sense than
Adam Curry: Yeah, well, he's been on this tip for a while.
John C Dvorak: So I just thought I'd give you a little Yeah,
Adam Curry: yeah, we will boost stigma 2020 for everybody.
John C Dvorak: The American public who would really recoil
against this Do
Adam Curry: you really think so? Oh, yeah. Well, maybe, I don't
know. You know what, it will be good for the show.
John C Dvorak: It wouldn't be good for the show. Great for the
show. As for sure. I have nothing but Rando Rando clips.
Adam Curry: What can we do? Farmer them before we get into
some randos we want to randos first
John C Dvorak: I'd like to start the farm off with my the Maderna
CEO at a W E F meet ink.
Adam Curry: This used to be old, does it got to be old? I don't
know, it's
John C Dvorak: just a question and answer the date is unknown,
but but it's not more than a year old. But it's where he clip
is called CEO of Maderna predicting the pandemic,
Unknown: I'm gonna go with the Stefan ban. So let's talk about
vaccine development, because we've heard how it happened,
obviously, with COVID-19, starting from 2022, and how
extraordinary the process was also in terms of the speed, how
is development, adoption and scaling of vaccine going on when
it comes for different variants and sub variants, because this
is one of the big concerns. As we as we're all here now, and
we're discussing, we understand the context and this is a great
deal.
Sure, like Good morning and thank you for having me on the
panel. So the great news is us 2020 Where we are today is we
have manufacturing capacity, as Jeff knows when the pandemic
happened more than made $100,000 in 2019 for the whole year. And
I remember walking after that I was into the office of my other
manufacturing and I say how we make a billion dollars next year
and they look at me a bit funny say what Yeah, we'd make a beat
on those next year there's gonna be a pandemic
John C Dvorak: This was taken this was cut off I didn't get
the whole clip I couldn't find it but probably
Adam Curry: funny. Yeah. I think I have it somewhere the
John C Dvorak: whole one to where he goes on because I like
nobody says afterwards.
Adam Curry: Majority of us by the way, while you're
John C Dvorak: looking for that I do have the new pandemic or
when possible one Oh yes. You heard about this. Yes, I
Adam Curry: have a I couldn't get get an American clip. You
have an American clip?
John C Dvorak: I have the NTD clip. Oh,
Adam Curry: we'll do the NTD clip and then we will do the W
IOM clip they are the only ones that seem to be on this. See
what do you have it called here? NEW NEW NEW NEW. Yes new new
Unknown: wave of mystery pneumonia is breaking out in
China affecting mostly children and overwhelming Chinese
hospital. Doctors there tell us the disease can be traced back
to some combined pathogens like COVID-19. The flu and mycoplasma
pneumonia. Parents say the symptoms aren't usually severe.
This time the child had a high fever repeatedly, which never
went down. This is too scary. A former Chinese reporter posted a
conversation in a group chat indicating that a child died on
the new pneumonia. The wave hit the area around Beijing but also
Dalian a city almost 500 miles from Beijing. Hospitals are
overwhelmed with sick children. Hospital staff from Tianjin city
told us some children have to wait days to be treated. Parents
starts grumbling several days in advance to get the numbers. We
only have so many doctors and we can only handle so many people
every day. So we give out a certain amount of numbers every
day. You can book in events, but you have to be able to grab one
first because a huge number of children are getting sick. This
wave started a month ago and it's getting worse. Recently
parents told us some schools suspended classes as both
teachers and students are sick. They said the authorities are
trying to block informations from circulating online.
Adam Curry: Oh this is very good. Oh, excellent. Well, wi O
N was a little more explicit about it trying to relate it to
the the OG pandemic
Unknown: undetermined pneumonia outbreak in China is hitting
children hard. Children's
Hospitals are overwhelmed in multiple locations. Reports
of a spike in pneumonia cases in China are similar to early
reports of a mystery pneumonia outbreak in 2019 in Wuhan, which
heralded the emergence of COVID-19 Now
the reports referenced swamped pediatric hospitals in multiple
locations including Beijing and allowing a which is around 800
kilometers away from faults also
say the pneumonia outbreaks have led to school cancellations and
some illnesses in teachers.
Adam Curry: So a couple of things here by
John C Dvorak: the way, why they ping pong in the report.
Adam Curry: That's how they roll that's how they do it. Stupid
John C Dvorak: was says one sentence the other one says
another sentence and that goes back and forth back and
Adam Curry: forth. This is why we're doing a podcast we're not
running W Iowan. So what we need to see now, people be aware we
need to see children dying on Tik Tok. That will be one I
mean, originally we saw people falling down on tick tock in the
middle of the street. You remember those videos? Those are
the good old days and we need something like that. Then we
need
John C Dvorak: an ISP being sprayed with some powder.
Remember that one?
Adam Curry: Yes. And then we need a landing zone in the west
where you know well, some babies got on a flight and they flew
over there and the other babies so we see Seattle will be good.
And and then we'll take it from there. You know we already have
all the drill We know how to do it. We know how to talk to
people. We know how to communicate, and we Johns
Hopkins. When they start getting on this train, then we should be
worried. And at the same time, Mandy Cohen,
John C Dvorak: you heard it here first, by the way? Yes, yes.
Adam Curry: It's totally we're all over this. We're ready for
it. Dr. Mandy Cohen, who is the new Director of the CDC, man she
is she's also a, a marketing person. She's like the Sam
Altman of Big Pharma. And she's going out there and she's
getting everybody ready and getting everybody worried and
everyone confused and it'll be be a little less anxious because
you don't want to kill grandma. Remember, it's Thanksgiving,
everybody. Let's have a happy, cheery report
Unknown: as millions get ready to gather for the holiday health
officials are urging people to take some extra precautions.
That's because the CDC estimates there have already been up to
1.6 million flu cases. RSV infections are also on the rise,
especially impacting kids under the age of four and COVID-19.
Still a concern for a lot of families, but only about 15% of
adults have received that updated shot. So let's break it
down to what it all means. How we can protect ourselves and our
loved one mandate. CDC is new director, Dr. mandato. Dr. Koh
I'm so happy that you're here with us today. You
Adam Curry: know, the news stations are so happy. They
don't have to deal with Fauci anymore. They got Dr. Mandy,
she's up. She's exciting. She's young, you know, they're happy
to have her on the show.
Unknown: As we said, tons of people are on the road, people
are going to be gathering. Not many people have gotten the flu
shot or the COVID shot. How concerned are you about these?
Leaving
the witness? Well, look,
we love to gather during the holidays. And it's wonderful to
be here with both of us. So fun. So
Adam Curry: fun. It's wonderful to be here with both of you so
fun. But as we get
John C Dvorak: specifically what makes it fun. You've done a hit.
Adam Curry: She's there with him. She's in studio.
John C Dvorak: She's in the studio.
Adam Curry: It's so fun. So fun getting up at the crack of dawn,
getting in your limo and getting into makeup and then waiting
around and drinking crappy coffee. It's so fun holiday
gatherings.
Unknown: Well, look, we love to gather during the holidays. And
first it's wonderful to be here with both of us. So fun. But as
we get into the holidays, we need to protect each other. And
yes, too few people have gotten the vaccines Hold on
Adam Curry: a second. We need to protect each other. Is she
repeating the completely debunked lie? That being
vaccinated somehow stops the spread. We have to protect each
other. So I have to get vaccinated for you. I thought we
were past that you
John C Dvorak: have to get vaccinated for me and you have
to be matched up double mask from three, five and six feet
away.
Adam Curry: So okay, so we're just back to that old script.
And it's just so fun to be here. And we're not questioning that
NBC Today Show
Unknown: to be here with both of us so fun. But as we get into
the holidays, we need to protect each other. And yes, too few
people have gotten the vaccine so far and I know folks are over
COVID and they want to leave it in the rearview mirror but it's
here with us. So the three reasons to get vaccinated one
the virus has changed. So you want the most updated protection
you can get second if you had COVID before or you've had been
vaccinated, that protection has decreased over time so you want
the boosted up protection and third people are still getting
long COVID Right the long symptoms from from that virus
even if you get a mild case so all three reasons we don't want
to be sick but we certainly don't want to be sick for a long
time. So getting vaccinated is still really the most important
way you can protect yourself and your family. Oh
Adam Curry: well. Thanks doctor manual But wait, there's more. I
mean, wasn't there a shortage of all these wonderful this try
valence hard
Unknown: to get the COVID vaccine in the early going this
more updated one Do you feel like all those wrinkles have
been kind of ironed out and it's pretty accessible? Yeah, so
moving out of the emergency the federal government wasn't
purchasing and distributing the private sector was doing it they
did have some hiccups right at the beginning but that's all
really been ironed out plenty of plenty of supply of vaccine for
COVID and flu get your appointment now it's never too
late to get vaccinated. I know folks are saying oh it's already
in the middle of season No it's actually just starting right now
so plenty of time to get vaccinated
Adam Curry: plenty of time to get vaccinated right
John C Dvorak: if it's starting right now there's not plenty of
time.
Adam Curry: Now does that make any cuz she's she's doing a
sales job here she's got her brown shoes on and she's selling
by the way karma for us are Mark Hall he finally got COVID The as
he had he had not gotten COVID got COVID be text me so happy
Thanksgiving. I've COVID And you know what? The doctor pushed on
him right away. remdesivir No, I'm not a doctor. But no, no,
no, no, no, not at all. Let's go back to Doctor man. The number
of
Unknown: people who have the flu. It seems pretty high. Do
you think this is all because we had been isolate Thank you for
so much because now I know is because your immune system is
shot people like people have had these long coughs for months
that's been going on and on.
Adam Curry: Yeah, you had a cough going on for quite a long
time.
John C Dvorak: Yeah, you should. I had a cough that went on for a
month and you should mask
Adam Curry: up, I don't want to come on through the wires. There
are
Unknown: a lot of bugs that are circulating. It's never too late
to get vaccinated viruses and bacteria. But we have ways to
protect ourselves vaccine is one. But also if you get sick
over this holiday season, make sure you're getting tested.
Because testing allows you to know what you have
John C Dvorak: done even worse.
Unknown: Boxes of tests, we have treatment for flu and for COVID.
And that treatment could save your life.
John C Dvorak: Or damage. What do you need the vaccine for?
Yeah,
Unknown: yeah,
the flu and for COVID. And that treatment could save your life
you can get for free tests. COVID. Tessa COVID test.gov
Right now we actually just yesterday said you can get for
free new ones. So get your 10 with you. If so, you know if
you're getting sick, take
Adam Curry: the app. So you so you know if you're getting sick,
this is all so dystopian.
John C Dvorak: Is such bold, grand last, you know you're
getting sick. Just keep taking the test over and over. Exactly
right.
Unknown: Dr. Cohen, you're the new sheriff in town, the new
head of the CDC and I don't have to tell you the
Adam Curry: new sheriff in town. She's the new sheriff in town.
She's not a Doctor Jim.
John C Dvorak: She's just a bureaucrat. The sheriff is an
EDC become the spokesperson for all this stuff. I remember 10
years ago, they never showed it. It's only recent. Yeah. We never
heard from the CDC. There was something crazy outbreak of
salmonella. Yeah. Well, let's
Adam Curry: go back to the new sheriff in
Unknown: town, Dr. Konya, the new sheriff in town, the new
head of the CDC. And I don't have to tell you, they're happy
she Oh, she's laughing in the background. Yes, I am Dr. Koh
into the new sheriff in town, the new head of the CDC. And I
don't have to tell you there have been some questions about
trust in the agency in the wake of the pandemics public trust, a
few surveys will show you that the CDC is held in low regard,
but the trust is not there as it used to be. What are you doing
to turn it around?
Yeah, so I'm about six months into the job. We're focused on
transparency, where I think that's important to build trust,
communicating faster, more simply making sure we're focused
on giving folks simple ways to protect themselves, certainly
building relationships. And I personally have been traveling
all around the country, so that folks can hear from me directly.
So I'm not just a CDC director. I'm a mom.
Adam Curry: I'm not just the president of the HAIR CLUB. For
men. I'm a client,
Unknown: so that folks can hear from me directly. So I'm not
just a CDC director. I'm a mom. I have two daughters who are
nine and 11. And I want them to know what I did for my own
daughters. And I got both of them the updated COVID vaccine
and the flu shot because I wanted them to be protected. Why
don't you give them the RSV shot. Same with myself, I got
myself vaccinated my parents, I wouldn't recommend something for
the American people I wouldn't do for my own family. And I want
to hear from from me directly. So I've been all over the
country sharing that
message with Dr. Cohen, we wish you the best of luck. Thank you
for coming to see us. Thank
you so much. Thanks for having me.
Adam Curry: Right. Well, so, you know, honestly, that's all
unless this new Chinese thing gets some get some legs which I
don't know. I don't know if that's gonna work or not.
John C Dvorak: I think it would have been picked up by someone
by now. It could have been a month in the making.
Adam Curry: Yeah, well, it took a while for COVID to really be
at first it was a slow burn. We had the Tick Tock video we need
the Tick Tock videos. We need dead babies
John C Dvorak: COVID I think began in earnest when the case
is appeared in in Seattle
Adam Curry: no when it was in Italy that's when it started no
no it
John C Dvorak: was the Seattle cases that's when we got
involved that we we hear yes true true. We hear God and all
jacked up and it was I still have the clips where they go
well you know we have to wait and see bad bad for these old
people.
Adam Curry: Let's let's just finish this out with some ABC
ABC the see that they got they got a little buy on ABC not not
a big buy. But they did do and someone was emailed us asking
about this. Because you didn't really understand about the
native ad and I had to explain that when the pharmaceutical
companies or any company McDonald's is even better
example. McDonald's has, you know, they're bringing back the
McNugget or the make rib sandwich and then so they say
okay, we're gonna buy $5 million worth of advertising one of
spots running on ABC. But then you know to kick it off we want
to have the morning crew now eating our McRib sandwich. Yeah,
John C Dvorak: and then by the way that should be noted that we
always time these out. And they always run almost exactly two
minutes. Like it definite by the spot anyway, if it goes any
longer you people have given each other the evil eye
Adam Curry: Let's see. Let's talk about let's see if ABC Good
Morning America if they have anything and with
Unknown: that ginger flu and respiratory illness season
getting underway the CDC issuing its first report of the season
on where activity is already. Hi Stephanie Ramos is here with
more good morning Stephanie. Robin Good
morning. We are in the thick of the flu season new data from the
Centers for Disease Prevention indicates that several seats are
grappling with elevated flu activity. The CDC is latest
report reveals many spikes in influenza this is across seven
states including Louisiana, Alabama, Florida, Georgia,
Mississippi Republicans New Mexico and South Carolina.
Additionally, DC and Puerto Rico are experiencing elevated flu
levels. Some good news though, despite increased flu and COVID
19 cases hospitalizations have been lower compared to last
year. However, health officials caution against complacency, the
CDC estimates which has been more than 780,000 Flu illnesses
and nearly 500 deaths from October of last year, up until
last week, while flu hospitalizations have remained
lower than this time last year. Emergency Rooms brace for what
could be challenging. An RRSP flu and COVID now as the holiday
season approaches Thanksgiving is just this week, health
officials warned about the potential for super spreader
events and urge caution during gatherings. Lindsay COURAGING
people to mask up once again Stephanie, our thanks to you go
up.
Adam Curry: No one said that the CDC didn't say it. She just said
encouraging people to mask up. So I don't know what that was
about but Pax Lovitt got got some some some advertising in
here. All right.
Unknown: Dr. Darian, you are taking a look at COVID cases
they are taking up around the country and looking up as an
uptick and people are revisiting questions around pecs, lovin.
Tell us about that, who's benefiting from it. So
I think it's really important to talk about this when I'm
diagnosing patients and they have a higher risk. I usually
talk to them about passivate. And it's helpful effectiveness
in preventing COVID-19 complications. So here's the
four things I think you should know. Oh,
Adam Curry: so he's not the vaccine guy. He's the Pax COVID
guide, not Pax Lovitt, the Pax livid guy shouldn't so
Unknown: here's the four things I think you should know. Number
one, who are they for a Pax event is indicated for anyone
over the age of 50. And or those who have long in heart disease
or a compromised immune system. We've known previously in
clinical trials that packs a bit has reduced the risk of
hospitalization by as much as 90%. Now, you might see numerous
studies that show a decrease effectiveness, that doesn't mean
that the medication is decreasing the effectiveness. I
love that doesn't mean we're comparing it to though the
comparable group, those who have been vaccinated those who have
had COVID 19 infections. That's why we see that number change.
Do you understand
Adam Curry: what he just said? Yeah, he didn't say anything.
You may read stuff about, okay, go out there and debunk whatever
you
John C Dvorak: read is wrong. To me studies that
Unknown: show a decrease effectiveness, that doesn't mean
that the medication is decreasing the effectiveness.
We're comparing it to though the comparable group those who have
been vaccinated those who have had COVID 19 infections. That's
why we see that number change. Thirdly, what it looks like it
is a combination of two medications, three pills you
take twice a day. And then lastly, the possible side
effects that we should all pay attention to it can include an
altered sense of tastes, nausea, diarrhea, and sometimes muscle
aches. That's that's the same thing as as COVID.
Taken COVID
John C Dvorak: basically COVID in a pill
Unknown: and of course, we always talk about the risk of
packs of it rebound which is a small but important to note
population were to call
it anti bar antiviral medication, certainly helping
many.
Adam Curry: Absolutely, absolutely. Absolutely.
Absolutely. Good job here to check it out of here, Doc.
John C Dvorak: But that of course, is not checked goes the
other way. Yeah, well, this
Adam Curry: this is true. This of course, is not the big pharma
ad for this season. No, this season is all about
Thanksgiving. Is it? Do you say Thanksgiving or Thanksgiving? I
hear people say Thanksgiving instead of Thanksgiving.
John C Dvorak: I say Thanksgiving.
Adam Curry: Thanksgiving. Yeah. For Thanksgiving.
John C Dvorak: It's Thanksgiving. Okay.
Adam Curry: Anyway, back to the season. Of course. We have
something fantastic on the market right now. We're so happy
to have this because people usually struggle around this
season, when there's a lot of food around and luckily we've
got some weight loss drugs for you. Which one shall we sell on
NBC
Unknown: we gather tonight with friends and family getting ready
for the Thanksgiving holiday. Some are changing the way many
people think about their Thanksgiving feast. The growing
popularity of weight loss drugs, Stephanie Goss on a holiday meal
game changer.
It's a game changer. stepaside stuffing and pumpkin pie for
many Americans the focus this Thanksgiving may be less on the
food. The use of revolutionary weight loss and diabetes
medications is skyrocketing for some people that this holiday is
about piling up a lot of food on your plate. Is that something
that you would do anymore? Now?
Absolutely not. Absolute Barrow
lost 75 pounds in the last year taking the diabetes drug Manjaro
and just not eating the same amount that you used to. But it
all looks so good, but you just don't have anywhere to put it.
At the end of the day. How can you resist that pumpkin pie?
Jackie? You can't resist you know, just a little bit. The
conservative estimate is that at least 3 million people are
taking Diabetes drugs ozempic And Manjaro or the obesity drug
will go V Do you think people are gonna buy less turkeys? I
doubt that's gonna happen this Thanksgiving. But while the
bottom line for food companies hasn't changed, the industry is
definitely paying attention. In October Walmart CEO told
Bloomberg that shoppers who were picking up prescriptions to
weight loss medications, were buying less food. Why do you
think food companies will start adapting
easy options are things like portion control. If people are
saying I get full faster, then maybe I want to pivot to
something that smaller portion sizes,
which is what grandmother Jackie Barrows says she will prefer
tomorrow while she enjoys some of her newfound energy.
I'll be running around with the kids. I am thankful
I am going to be able to do this and enjoy it more this time with
a little less food and lots more family. Wonderful. This
John C Dvorak: is a new load thing in there. As you catch it
increases your energy to run around with the kid granny
Adam Curry: I did get boots on the ground very well done boots
on the ground from a family physician in the Netherlands. I
just got out of a Pfizer lunch and a walltime yes about the
winter respiratory infections. It seems like they are lining up
medical professionals for more awareness on Respiratory
Syndrome by E trying to scare them by have to disagree with J
JCD. RSV has been a very common respiratory infection in
children up to one year has no specific treatment, but as a
common reason for hospitalization for support or
oxygen where they present with an asthma attack. However, Mike
John C Dvorak: my thing you can't disagree with me. Because
I never said anything except the following. I have never heard of
this disease until three years ago. Yes,
Adam Curry: that's correct. You have not ever heard of it.
That's correct. Lots of
John C Dvorak: people disagree. I am not lying.
Adam Curry: No, you're not lying. It's in fact it is a
classic JCD move. There's no evidence and evidence I've ever
heard of this. There's no evidence you ever heard of this?
Up until three years ago? Correct. Both Pfizer and
GlaxoSmithKline have an RSV vaccine in the pipeline's about
70 pregnant mothers need to take the vaccine to prevent one
hospitalization of their children. This is the data you
got from the lunch. The GSK trial has problems with higher
rates of preterm birth and even death. Sounds like
John C Dvorak: a winner who is giving on the seminar again was
the name of the company. Pfizer Pfizer Of course, why are they
gonna start plugging the other guys products? I don't think so.
No, he's not plugging the guy. He's Oh, no, the Pfizer they're
gonna present some they're not gonna present good news about
Jesus Exactly. GlaxoSmithKline
Adam Curry: No, they said that their vaccine is killing
John C Dvorak: people still is killing people. It's
Adam Curry: probably a minor problem in adults compared to
flu COVID and Mikako. Pneumonia RSV was found in 5.7% of about
20,000 elderly in a Dutch study median age 75 non wherever
hospitalized. You go so so this giving it to old people is the
new thing, which is of course there it was to rip off Medicare
and, and government totally government money. That's what
it's about that just to make money. Just tell everybody.
John C Dvorak: When I'm old enough, I've been collecting
Medicare Medicare for years, and you see it when you go just for
a checkup or anything. They are trying to come up with anything
they can do to charge more to the government. And I see right
I'm looking at what I know why don't want this just I don't
want that shot. I don't want this. I don't want that and they
always back off. Oh yeah, you don't really need it. But they
really want you to sign up for everything so they can gouge the
government. Yeah, this is really the problem with Medicare.
Adam Curry: Of course it is. It's horrible.
John C Dvorak: Why is it going I'm broke because they're
gouging the government. Yeah.
Adam Curry: I'm just I have two more clips before I can take a
break. And then we can certainly do some randos. The and we had a
dinner the other night. I'm looking at this copper price.
Did you see that this this copper company collapsed. This
Chinese copper company mica metals? Yeah. I mean, the copper
is, there's no way that this something is wrong. We have all
these manufacturers saying we're going to make electric vehicles,
but there's no demand for copper and the copper mines are
closing. I don't understand it. That makes no sense. And then we
had a dinner and there's a guy who works at Mercedes Benz and
he says it's horrible. He says it is it is horrible was
happening because he's like a he's like a internal combustion
engine guy. He says this is no good. And they said they, I
guess the EQ. I don't know what it's there's some Evie Mercedes
sells. And the battery, just the battery, guess how much it costs
just to just $30,000? Or do you 6000? He says, you have an
accident. Immediately that thing has to be replaced. He says no,
the insurance companies are not going to insure
John C Dvorak: total everything out. They're not going to insure
the insurance for those cars is going to go way up.
Adam Curry: And so I said I said, so. What is Formula One
McLaren? Are they going to do all battery cars? He says no,
it's worse. He says the AMG now AMG is the like the high end
Mercedes with a aftermarket
John C Dvorak: company for jacking up Mercedes cars. Right.
But they sell them as new. I mean it ya know, their new cars.
Yeah. And they put their jacked up, they get better horsepower,
they look better. Everything about him is cool, right?
Adam Curry: So they're now so I said, he said, what's gonna
happen with the AMG S he said, they're gonna put batteries in
them and then like a four cylinder engine. So they're
gonna they're still gonna sell this AMG as a high high
horsepower car. But it's all coming from batteries. And the
engine just going to be a little four cylinder clunker. Yeah,
like the case. 100 cc or something? Yeah, some motorcycle
engine. I mean, what are people gonna buy this? I can't believe
people are gonna buy this will
John C Dvorak: from him. They'll buy anything from AMG. I mean,
the Prius you people don't realize that a Prius which is
the highest the real winner of a hybrid? Yeah, it's doesn't even
have a normal combustion engine in the front to make it a hybrid
is some three cylinder weird engine. That's yeah, it's not
even a normal engine. So why ankle and when it starts up the
whole car shakes like a son of a bitch.
Adam Curry: It's a wacko motor. I tell you know, now Toyota has
announced a car that runs on ammonia.
John C Dvorak: Yeah, this doesn't sound right. They're
gonna get an ammonia car. Forget it. Not me flying
Adam Curry: bombs, what they think is stupid. Anyway, they
will be necessary because, well, maybe not. We're basically dead.
I mean, we've missed it. We've blown it. We're supposed to keep
the temperature down 1.5 degrees 41 here and in the hill country.
But okay. That's not the lead story. CNN Earth
Unknown: matters series a moment scientists have been warning
about for decades. For the first time, the global average
temperature on Friday was more than two degrees Celsius hotter
than levels, industrialization. That's a crucial threshold that
have irreversible impacts on the planet. Let's go to CNN CHIEF
climate correspondent Bill Weir. So Bill, walk us through the
significance of this and what the impacts could be.
well beyond that, of course, the Paris accord was hoping to hold
things at 1.5 degrees Celsius with a limit of two 1/3 of the
days this year, we're above 1.5 degrees. That's how hot the last
12 months had been. And yes, humanity reached that red letter
two degrees Celsius point. This is the really the troubling
point. Science has always pointed to as a point where we
start to see these tipping points where methane is released
in the Arctic perhaps or I shells on the Antarctic might
break off and things could happen suddenly, that of course
might happen after decades of bubble
Adam Curry: that's that's totally climate, climate of
fear. Where you know, where they blew up a part of the Arctic
shelf, and then a piece of ice broke off. And that was the
worst thing that could ever happen, which he doesn't
exactly. Explain what happens. But when that ice shelf breaks,
we're all dead in the
Unknown: Arctic, perhaps or ice shelves on the Antarctic might
break off and things could happen suddenly, that of course
might happen after decades above two degrees, not just a short
period. But if you look at that chart from Copernicus, this is
the UN's or the Jarrah, you Your space and climate agency, you
see the red line where we are right off the charts compared to
the decades that come before the spaghetti at the bottom are 10
year periods going back to the 40s. Off The Charts, warmest and
125,000 years. And on top of this, we just got a new
projection from the UN that just looked at the plans for fossil
fuel extraction. Are you ready? What's underway? What's in the
pipeline? They say well warm us up to double right now. Point
nine degrees as well, that despite all the pledges to
decarbonize that emissions hit a record in 2022, over 57 tonnes
of carbon put up in the sky, it needs to come down at a rate of
29% by the end of this decade by 2030. The honor we're on track
now, just with all the pledges met be less than 10% decrease.
Oh, no, we're
Adam Curry: dead. Man. I can't believe you're alive. I know.
Are you are you going with me? I mean, we shouldn't be dead by
this. It's just horrible.
John C Dvorak: I don't know. Now, I like the weather.
Adam Curry: Warm over there. It's nice. We could use a little
warmer I could take two to two degrees Celsius. So now this is
a gym. So sometime in 2024. If all goes according to the evil
plans of the elites, we will have this this W H O World
Health Organization treaty signed and ratified by all
member states. And this includes the United States, as our
country has a treaty we have the treaty is already in place. This
is an upgrade to the treaty, which I believe does not even
have to be ratified by our Congress. That's where they can
get sort of grandfathered in. It's something like that. And
what Angela and this is being warned about in European
Parliament. I haven't really seen it in Congress, but you
know, there's a lot of people saying, hey, they're gonna have
a lot of power. You know? I'm sorry. Too much power too much
power. Now. No one's really taken this seriously because you
get that what's the douchebags name from Nigeria? does or does
does, man. What's his name? The the head of the who the guy we
kept. We kept that guy. That's his name.
John C Dvorak: trollee just call him that guy. Back to understand
him half the time that guy
Adam Curry: Wow. I'm a bit annoyed. No, not Desmond Tutu.
Troll. I'm trying to be helpful. No, Tedros Tedros. There we go.
Tadros headrace. So yeah, he's hard to take serious. But there
is a person at the W H. O. Who kind of scares me. Who is our
envoy? Who is the the United States is Deus do chef when it
comes to climate change? I don't know who John Kerry. Oh, that
guy. Right? Well guess where his daughter is? Our guest
Unknown: today is Vanessa Kerry In June she became the first
ever climate change and health boy for the One Health.
John C Dvorak: Is she like a climatologist or she famous
scientist and he's done a lot of research and a lot of papers and
she knows all about climate is out why she got this position?
Adam Curry: Well, I don't know. But the unfortunate things is
that she has her dad's face. So
John C Dvorak: oh my god. Our
Unknown: guest today is Vanessa Kerry In June she became the
first ever climate change and health Special Envoy for the
World Health Organization's as such, she will be front and
center at the upcoming cop 28 in Dubai. So we'll be her father,
John Kerry, who is the Special climate envoy of the Biden
administration. She
Adam Curry: is in fact a doctor. She is a she's a picture on her
Wikipedia. She's wearing a lab coat with a stethoscope around
her neck.
John C Dvorak: She actually there's one picture of her here.
Straight up straight on. She looks you know kind of okay. But
there's any semi profile. She looks like a transgender male.
Unknown: And Dr. Vanessa Kerry joins us from Boston. Thank you
very much. So obviously, when people think about climate
change, they don't necessarily think about health. You're
appointed the first to be appointed in that position. What
does it tell us about the importance of health in the
climate change issue?
Well, I think we have learned with great, great understanding
in the most recent years that the climate crisis is a health
crisis. And already
Adam Curry: climate. You're moving through it but you're
missing what she's saying, say climate crisis is a health
crisis
Unknown: and health crisis in the most recent years that the
climate crisis is a health crisis. And already we see 7
million people a year die Ain't from air pollution, for example.
That's more than we saw in the entire COVID pandemic over three
years. And that's one person every five seconds so that by
the time I complete my next sentence, someone else will have
died.
Adam Curry: Stop, no, no, stop talking.
Unknown: You're killing people. And we see this in every aspect
of health, the way climate change is impacting our lived
experience. And so there's a very real Oh,
Adam Curry: our lived experience, oh, goodness, this
cheesy cliche, every
Unknown: aspect of health, the way climate change is impacting
our lived experience. And so there's a very real opportunity
for us to have a health centered approach to climate change, and
to be able to ensure that we're protecting how we live, how we
breathe, how we know what we can do in our lives. And so the
appointment is really just an opportunity to continue to
really flag the urgency of what we face.
Adam Curry: Save the climate wear a mask. This this we're
gonna this is how you get climate lockdowns is bad for
your health right now. Because you're driving a internal
combustion engine you need to stay home these people and this
is what kind of nepotism is this? Have John Kerry's daughter
at the who? Social convoy Special Envoy oh yes I'll be
communicating with with Tadros Yeah, you know, Teddy and I we
had a meeting, we think you should lock your
John C Dvorak: co founder or the founder of the nonprofit Seed
Global Health and that seems to be her her and she still does
that seems to be her main thing formerly known as the Global
Health Services core founded in 2011, Peace Corps for doctors
and nurses
Adam Curry: I have one last boots on the ground I just
wanted to read and we have noticed certainly with the with
the multiple wars that we are funding that the reports often
have a lot of gunfire and missile launchers and rockets
and bombs and I have a new one for today's show. Well if you if
you play it then I'll I will hold my boots on the ground. So
after we've played that because this
John C Dvorak: is actually on the ISO list, okay, and it's the
ISO rat that tat just nice. longtime
Adam Curry: listener started longtime listener started
listening during COVID will not that long. boots on the ground
report when it comes to the explosions you guys always make
fun of when listening to a News Package. They're called NAT
pops. Ie natural sounds na T P O P s NAT pops are natural sounds
ie guns firing explosions jet zooming by that are indeed used
to break up reporter track in a news package. It's a strategy we
use to bring the viewer into the story. In real life our world is
filled full of NAT pops. It's supposed to draw the viewer in
at least that's the theory. It's a lot less boring than just
hearing a reporter track a voice all throughout the package.
Anybody who works editing video in News knows this strategy. And
the bosses are always making sure we use these not pops in
our storytelling. video editors who don't use this strategy are
usually the sucky are ones also in my humble opinion and
everybody else who edits video not pops separate. Separate bad
or okay stories from great stories. For anyone wondering
I'm a photojournalist for a news company in Phoenix shoot, edit
and even write stories I work in tandem with reporters and news
producers daily
John C Dvorak: There you go he's he's in the business he's in the
Adam Curry: biz net but we've never had a name for it not pop
no
John C Dvorak: we never did we were well we never worked in
that field but reporting war stories net POM that pops yeah
Adam Curry: not pops.
John C Dvorak: I like it. Good so Okay, now we know and
Adam Curry: with that I'd like to thank you for your currency
in the morning to you the man who put the sea in the chain of
argument ladies and gentlemen say hello to my friend on the
other end one only Mr. John
John C Dvorak: Well, in the morning do Mr. Adam curiosity in
the morning all ships and sea boots on the ground feed near
subs in the water and all the dames knights out there and in
the morning.
Adam Curry: Now we don't expect a lot of trolls but let's see
there's a shortage of trolls 1316 That's probably the worst
Have you ever had
John C Dvorak: 1316 is the lowest for Thursday but this
Thursday? I don't remember doing this count last Thanksgiving.
Adam Curry: No probably did not And we'd like to remind
everybody we're working on Thanksgiving.
John C Dvorak: Yeah. So we probably like Well, I figured
we'd lost to it. I've always thought we'd lose 20% of the
audience on these holidays, though, and we're sure
Adam Curry: Well, there you go. And more than 20%, probably. And
now back in the day, I remember many, many a Thanksgiving, when
you would need to pause the show to baste your turkey.
John C Dvorak: Yeah, well, we're having to Turkey tomorrow. Oh,
of course. Of course.
Adam Curry: The Devorah acts. Yes. We have Christmas in
January. Is giving on Friday. Okay. Why is it whoa, because
Mimi has come as Mimi coming down.
John C Dvorak: No,
Adam Curry: she's not coming.
John C Dvorak: Not this time while she's busy setting up the
Kindle. Oh,
Adam Curry: this by the way is this is Mimi have too many
eggs.com? Yeah,
John C Dvorak: too many eggs.com Get some Christmas gifts while
you're at it. She is in the kennel
Adam Curry: during the hey, you know, you got to be careful with
the kennel.
John C Dvorak: You know about 30 Very busy tomorrow because of
the holiday.
Adam Curry: Oh, I wouldn't be so sure.
John C Dvorak: We are all that we know all about it. We know
all about the disease. And there's certain things we will
do with this candle that no other candles will do. Like dogs
can't share a ball.
Adam Curry: Well, so I just want so you obviously know but we
didn't play any clips that there's a mysterious dog illness
John C Dvorak: on the loose. Yeah, the dog virus new dog
virus. I'm
Adam Curry: waiting for mRNA shot for your dog. That's what
I'm waiting for.
John C Dvorak: It's obviously that's what's coming.
Adam Curry: It must be so it's no ball sharing that that's the
ball sharing,
John C Dvorak: you know water bowl sharing.
Adam Curry: No coughing each other. Do you make the dogs wear
masks? You'd have to wear a mask. All wear
John C Dvorak: masks to get masks definitely come in.
Adam Curry: If you want to be a troll, you can of course join
us. You can join us early on show days. Darren O'Neill does
the rock'n'roll pre show you can go to
John C Dvorak: and by the way, Jack White stinks. And you know
that that last play was Jack White and it was just a
cacophony of it was a mess. It was not musical by any means.
Jack
Adam Curry: White is a weird dude to man. He's weird. He's a
weird guy. He's just weird. You ever met him? Yeah.
John C Dvorak: I wouldn't have no no opportunity to meet him
that I can think of
Adam Curry: weird dude. Successful though. He's he's
he's pretty certain that he's tz. Yeah, well, and that's not
that's not necessarily a given. But he's parlayed that pretty
well as his own place where he gigs and gotten pretty good to
meet him. Oh, my God. So long ago. I don't remember. I've met
everybody. You name it. Name it them Tchaikovsky met him.
John C Dvorak: George W. Bush.
Adam Curry: No, but
John C Dvorak: I did Donald Trump.
Adam Curry: Hey, I should have met him by now. Yeah,
John C Dvorak: you should have been I feel that you know,
support for him is out the window.
Adam Curry: Lost my vote. He can go sit there with the with Bobby
The up. I'm Big Mike 2024. Baby. That's where I'm going. You can
become a troll by going to troll room.io. I did meet Stephen
Hawking. Yes, I did. Stephen Hawking. I met him remember
that? No, no. Yes. I was in a restaurant in Los Angeles. And
he was at the table next to me and he had all these hot nurses.
John C Dvorak: Yeah, he always had
Adam Curry: a wrench. Yes. Babel Rama. A baby got him over here.
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there's a new new podcast No, you know right away the magic of
pod ping. The value for value proposition is what we started
just about 16 years ago, and it has kept us on the air and kept
us being able to continue to deconstruct media for you twice
a week didn't we actually didn't at some point we do three shows
that weak for maybe a
John C Dvorak: couple of weeks. Never.
Adam Curry: I thought, Well, we came we
John C Dvorak: came threatening it. We came close. Like it was
like a running gag. Yeah. And then we never did it. I
Adam Curry: thought we tried it once and was no no, that doesn't
work. No,
John C Dvorak: we did something else. It was like we did a, I
think one of our 200 She went over our bonus shows or
something that was going to be used for something else. And we
did it in the same during the week when we did the other shows
and we realized we it's too much work. Yeah, three Shows a week
Adam Curry: is actual work. I mean, people like you just Yep.
And it's like it's a it's not just a job. It's a lifestyle.
It's a lifestyle. I mean, literally, here we are on
Thanksgiving. The minute we're done, I have to jump in the
shower, get ready, and I have 30 minutes to get to the
Thanksgiving dinner that that we've been invited to. Where are
you going? The international arms dealer.
John C Dvorak: We should always take your USA International
House of Pancakes. A great Thanksgiving dinner there.
Adam Curry: Now the international arms dealer is
great that his wife is moms for Liberty leader so it'll be
lively.
John C Dvorak: I might have so with food be good. Oh, she
Adam Curry: isn't out she is top notch. She's a
John C Dvorak: go there all the time. What we do? A lot.
Adam Curry: My wife is a good cook. I'm a good cook. But But
Andreea she, she her presentation is above anything
we could achieve. She got great presentation. He has great soft
skills. Yeah, no, she's good. She's really good. And I'm
bringing a Dutch dessert which is called spec cook. People
should take note of this spec cook SPE K Koe K spec Cook,
which was sent to me by a producer and he make it no I'm
going to tell everybody I did though. Please, Chad made way
you do it. I've made it. This is what I used to do with stuffing.
I make stovetop and people would love it. Oh, this is great
stuffing. Of course it is I slaved over it's a family
recipe. Just stove top is the best
John C Dvorak: stovetop. So what is spec cook?
Adam Curry: Well look it up. It's it's a multi layered cake.
And you usually cut it into small pieces. small slices. No
more than a centimeter thick. And it has just layers of like
soft cookie type substance. You know like syrup maple syrupy
type taste in there. It's it's sweet. Look it up spec Cook. I'm
John C Dvorak: looking at it right now. Okay, and what do you
1000 layer cake. It's called. Oh,
Adam Curry: okay, we called spec cook. 1000.
John C Dvorak: Spec cook. 1000 layer cake mobile app is
Adam Curry: legit that takes that's Chad GPT who just made
that? Oh, am
John C Dvorak: I looking at Jet TPP
Adam Curry: it's a colonizer
John C Dvorak: go there's a green version? Yes. Yep, there's
Adam Curry: green versions. Yeah, this is the brown make the
green.
John C Dvorak: Is this the green version?
Adam Curry: I don't know. I haven't cut into it. I don't
green could be on the inside. That could be you have a green
layer on the inside. It's it's very tasty. Very rich. It's very
people go that's rich. Very well layered
John C Dvorak: spice cake spice cake out. This extremely
harmonious blend of eastern and western flavors. Yes. Indonesian
it's yeah all the good cooking in in Holland is famed Indonesia
Indonesian
Adam Curry: influences Correct? Yeah, thank you for reminding me
I cannot This is has Indonesian influences. You can I pick this
up when I lived in Holland. I picked up the art of spec cook
you know some people call it 1000 layer cake.
John C Dvorak: There's no There's no way I'm looking at
this cake I'm saying there's no way you're gonna cook this
Nobody that I know will make this cake as little layers
Adam Curry: that's me baby I so many layers I slaved over it. I
want people to
John C Dvorak: really believes this story is there they have to
have something wrong with them.
Adam Curry: Well, there you go. We are in the hill country. So
we appreciate time talent treasure. That's that's what we
love getting from people. And the way that works is look, you
got the show. You're hanging around. Hey, wow, these guys
gave me some value some value tainment and then they gave that
to me for free. I could just listen to whenever I wanted to.
There's there's no subscription fee, there was no
advertisements. There was no Patreon no levels, didn't have
to do no paywall where you get the premium
John C Dvorak: content or bonus content at all. All premium
called 100%. Black every all the content be premium. It was the
rest of its crap.
Adam Curry: Exactly. Well, of course the stuff that you get
for free is going to be crap. Our stuff is Primo. It's a one
steak sauce right up front. And all we ask is it from time to
time like that was valuable to me. Send us them value back
time, talent, treasure. We have a lot of people who provide us
with time. Namie provides us with time and talent. She does.
The meetup list we have Daniel he does meet up. And no agenda
meetups.com page.
John C Dvorak: Yes. Which is a lot of work. Yes.
Adam Curry: We have void zero managing stuff. We have tons of
things we have. We have people doing so much work posting
memes. I know agenda social. Thank you for that value. That's
really highly appreciated. And of course, I
John C Dvorak: like it and I'm,
Adam Curry: I'm sure you do. If you don't know now I've given
up. I'm done. I'm not even gonna I'm not even liking or boosting
anybody anymore. I'm
John C Dvorak: not ever had in the past. I know. I
Adam Curry: boosted a lot. Not anymore. I'm done. I know.
Because the minute I say something, the minute I troll.
Hey, man, that's not cool, man. Yeah, he was annoyed.
John C Dvorak: Just blocked him. Oh,
Adam Curry: and so I blocked this one guy. And here's what he
did. So he took the picture of me holding up the PhD. And then
he put an Israeli flag on it and it says no agendas, new sponsor.
I'm like, so I blocked him. But like you're always telling me to
do yes, you should. And then he's like, reaching out to me
through back channels. You know, other places grow
John C Dvorak: him if he's gonna be that kind of a douchebag.
Hey,
Adam Curry: man, you couldn't take the ribbing? The ribbing?
John C Dvorak: That's not ripping us insulting. Yes.
Adam Curry: Always. Eds has been other insulting they use very
insulting if there's a
John C Dvorak: couple of guys out there that are just nothing
more than do we insulting types?
Adam Curry: Clip Crestodina it wasn't you
John C Dvorak: clip custodian. He's like, I'm sorry.
Adam Curry: Anyway, so artists, now the artists, the ones who
have been around know what we like, and they really try very
hard. It's a competition but it's also they're professional
artists. We we had Roger roundy guy was top notch. He got a gig
when he left us. I mean, that's that's how that's how important
these artists are.
John C Dvorak: He won once and then that was the end.
Adam Curry: He was winning it. He was winning and even thanked
us without because he went to, you know, to make political, the
illustrations he learned on the job doing it for us for free.
And then once he got a gig, he said screw those guys are
working for free. And we still love him. That's okay.
John C Dvorak: He's on the he's very active on the new agenda.
Social. Yeah, not constantly boosting stuff. And he's taking
pictures of himself at meetups. He's taking pictures of himself
with his girlfriend. He's taking life there and he's taking
pictures of himself here and there. Yeah,
Adam Curry: well, I'm glad I'm glad he's able to do that. So we
of course want to thank the artists who brought us the
artwork for the previous episode 1609 we've titled that one pain
sponge, one of our snappier titles, and pet Rex brought us
the obvious AI generated art but that was okay because it was an
AI generated Monster eating the world. And it was okay. I'd say
it was a seven and a half on a scale of one to 10 but there
really wasn't anything else we looked at a number of things
trying to bring
John C Dvorak: pieces didn't make any sense. Yeah, I'm not
sure with the AI artists is sometimes doesn't make any
sense. It just looks good and people like oh, it looks good.
Therefore, Darren Darren has got a piece that was generated by AI
is pretty obvious for the girl holding his sign say no to
genocide. I can barely read this jet design. And he couldn't make
the sign any bigger
Adam Curry: and there's a lot there's also a lot of stuff that
came in late
John C Dvorak: well those pieces at the top came in late but that
wasn't going to change anything. Now what was that all about? Ai
Adam Curry: so that Darren is genocide Joe was the cute girl
cute little cartoon girl say no to genocide Joe but yeah, he
just throws it into dolly and says make it we discussed for a
while the network's Firestorm which was kind of cool. The gas
mask fireman's helmet with the x we discussed that one but then
John C Dvorak: the day Well, I'll tell you a couple things we
discussed about one I said hey, it's a good one. I picked it. I
said let's get this because it'll pop your hand and you
notice that because it's a white on a white background and then
you said it's not Yeah, it's on a green bag and you said
greenish I think I said pink. Okay, it's on a pink background
and as soon as you said that I saw yes on a pink background.
It's not gonna pop that much. So I don't know why I did that way
put
Adam Curry: it on a background that has some off color. He
could have been a contender networks and
John C Dvorak: you also did but you didn't like the curry DeVore
egg on the axe heads.
Adam Curry: Well said no, I didn't know on the AI Answer I
didn't like the curry Dvorak I thought it was just a throwaway
there was no there was no love put into our names there wasn't
look at it which one on the on the part on the piece that one
creative work at the bottom? Yes not this not there's no love.
That's
John C Dvorak: fine. That's what you said. colorblindness came
into play that is a color blindness color.
Adam Curry: And there was a lot of Elon stuff which would
doesn't really funny. But tick tock with babies. No, it was it
was there's
John C Dvorak: an AI piece at the bottom by capitalist agenda.
That is so over the top AI is a cute kind of piece but come on
people and I think we're doomed we're not going to get anything
that's actually well done with this is
Adam Curry: the problem with AI is people get lazy that throws
like make a thing with a guy with a television put in a
turkey. Put him there this letter and go
John C Dvorak: pretty much it Yeah.
Adam Curry: Yeah, you can. You know, it's funny. Because I had
my own AI here. Then you can have a lot of fun with Michelle
Obama if he asked the art to do the if you ask the AI to do
certain things,
John C Dvorak: but push it on then no agenda social. Oh, no.
Adam Curry: I delete them right away. It's so harmful. is bad as
bad as bad. Well, anyway, thank you very much pet Rex for and
Patrick's has won a couple of times. I think Rex had a couple
of wins in the past. Yeah.
John C Dvorak: A couple of pieces twice before he's won.
He's got
Adam Curry: a style it's got a nice style. And it was a pet Rex
Dutch did we figure
John C Dvorak: that out? Yes, no, he's Yeah, he's Dutch we we
did figure that out as pet Rex we have a lot of Dutch artists
for some reason. They know what they're good at. Sorry, spec
cook. They may just make the best call and make the make the
best spec
Adam Curry: cook in the world. Thank you very much pet Rex, we
really appreciate that. And, and thank you for that very
valuable. It's important, particularly when we spread the
good news of a of a new episode people like they just like it's
fun. It's fun. These are memes you can use that I approve of.
That's how you should look at it. Now let us thank the people
who brought us the final T of the three T's the treasurer good
showing today short notes highly appreciate it. It's really I
mean, the amount of people came in, of course you let everybody
know what the PhD
John C Dvorak: wrapping. I'm sorry. It's wrapping it's
wrapping.
Adam Curry: Yes, the PhD program is ending. And I mean, that'll
be it. It's the 330/3 day of the year which is this coming
Wednesday and then it's over. So a lot of people got in on that
and we had yet again near the end of the year. It's always
beautiful a nother show number donation. This makes two in a
row. The Duke of Central Florida from Winter Park came in with
1610 mind boggling we haven't had show numbers, donations in a
long time. Also we get two in a row. He says show number
donation from the Duke of Central Florida. The Fibonacci
Duke There you go. Thanks, Diego. Thanks for working on
Thanksgiving Day so we can enjoy your deconstruction thanks for
the opportunity to gain a PhD no jingles no karma. I love that.
Thank you so much. duco Central Florida.
John C Dvorak: An interesting PhD. came in later row after
discuss. Jason Adams is next on this list was Smyrna, Georgia
111133 And he sent it oh he sent a note to follow I didn't get to
note and Jay didn't get to know it. So I'm looking to be read as
a make good I guess I know eventually a note either, so I
guess we didn't get it. Got it. Another note
Adam Curry: Rodney Lilly bridge in Lewiston. 106 9.69
interesting PhD donation for Rodney J. Lily bridge, aka air
sir JMO black Baron of North Idaho. And that's it. These are
good. Thank you.
John C Dvorak: So contrast with Robert Knutson, who wrote coin
kurta Lane title. Oh no. Yes. to Idaho. Ian's to Idaho's Idaho's.
1033 And he sent a physical note it with a check. My name is Rob
Knutson. Can Knutson kids Knutson to his name is Rob
Knutson. I blew it recently ran for city council in my town of
corte lane, corps Delaine, Idaho before becoming a knight or
getting a PhD in media deconstruction as a first time
candidate I received 1033 votes, almost 10% of the vote, but
failed to make voters giddy enough to win me a seat Maybe my
failed candidacy serve as a warning to all the kids out
there who desire an elected office. Please get knighted
first. And or buy it before running for office.
Adam Curry: What a canard
John C Dvorak: you are a shoo in for Mayor so he enclosed 1033 is
total vote count. Please note me sir Bobby J the K. Norwegian
night of the quarterly quarter Lane we requested jingle
consists of I was I was really Blotto with an F 35 Scream
enhancement at the roundtable. May I request a random can of
plain seltzer water from John's secret stash not so secret.
Robert Knutson.
Adam Curry: Okay, the only thing I didn't have Do we have any of
John's seltzer water? Is it just the plain thing is that we were
drinking the plain plain seltzer anybody
John C Dvorak: seltzer water, ink. Okay,
Adam Curry: plain salts or water. Okay. And yes, I think I
do have this request that you have. I was really Blotto.
John C Dvorak: Never heard that before. Remember it
Adam Curry: karma that's that's me from Swamp Thing. Oh, it was
the it was the the line that I argued with the producer and
writer over to no one says Blotto in rock'n'roll.
John C Dvorak: No one says Blotto anywhere
Adam Curry: and he's I think he's a knight the writer but we
still disagree. Brian Teleki Lincoln Nebraska. 1033 cents ITM
I could not resist this opportunity to become Dr. Otter
of the freshwater with his Ph. D. That's a good one. As a
trucker, I love listening to the show while driving it gets me
around 200 miles down the road. Oh, there you go. See? We're
good. We're good for something we're good for 200 miles.
Sharpton medley chemtrails, little girl yay. And the F 22
guys scream for relationship karma. I'll do the F 35 guy if
you don't mind. He says thanks for all you do. This is the
medley version.
Unknown: He's getting lunch at Chipotle the tortoise in the
race. Kim Kardashian we Weaver? ESP ICT they are all Jide ESP
ICT there's no real conference exists we must we must test and
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John C Dvorak: you've got karma buenas Flores in Albuquerque,
New Mexico $1,000 and one penny binary 33 You know that 1001 I
do know when I do binary 33 I didn't know that. Oh, check it.
Thank you for all you do another great note. Thank you for all
you do couldn't resist a PhD and night and knighthood combo.
Adam Curry: Well, that was easy. That was easy. Anonymous, with
1000 ITM Tech TV donation. Now were you on Tech TV?
John C Dvorak: Yeah, of course. Silicon spin was Tech TV.
Adam Curry: Oh, it didn't. Oh, I didn't realize that was Tech TV.
Was that the only thing you did on Tech TV.
John C Dvorak: I also ended up doing long story by ended up
doing big thinkers for a couple years. Oh, big thinker. So I got
to meet a lot of interesting people.
Adam Curry: I bet Who were some of the one was gonna be one
interesting person. One big thinker. You're the guy
John C Dvorak: who invented the cell phone was on that show.
What's his. Here's my favorite one. He wasn't on the show. I
did but he was on Stan Lee Stanley was on the show. I
talked to him for a while. J jayate. I did have him on the
show. I guess. Everybody was interesting. Oh, but here's the
kicker I had just slapped myself in the head when I think of
this. Stanley is on the show.
Adam Curry: Explain who Stan Lee is.
John C Dvorak: Stanley is the guy that invented all the Marvel
Comics comic characters II that are DC one of the trees to phase
Marvel. I think people in the troll room know for sure, but
Stanley is very famous. So he's on his show and he's just a nice
guy. He's kind of a goofball, actually, and where was I'm?
He's there. Why didn't I buy a handful like maybe high res
comic books and have them signed have them sign him? Those comic
books is signed Stan Lee comic book is worth one to $2,000 So
I'm just like basically let you like $20,000 walk out the door
so
Adam Curry: like not buying Bitcoin
John C Dvorak: at 25 cents 25 cents
Adam Curry: Yes. So you were basically the OG Joe Rogan
you're in Joe Rogan show
John C Dvorak: with Joe Rogan. He's got a longer show he's
different interview style. No, I don't think so.
Adam Curry: And we move on back to anonymous Thanks for working
through the holidays. You're welcome. We do it with great
pleasure jingles. I got information man. And fear is
freedom. I'd like to be knighted sir geese mill of the Four
Corners demilitarized zone and we shall make it so I've got
information man. New shit has come to life. Freedom
Unknown: this world
John C Dvorak: you go. Terrell Peterson comes in from Auburn
California, pleasant town just north of Sacramento. $1,000
Happy Thanksgiving. She writes. Thank you keep up the good work.
Jobs karma for everyone. Dame named Dame mareel reeltastic
route reeltastic of the Sierra foothills. Okay, jobs,
Unknown: jobs, jobs and jobs
John C Dvorak: are short. No. Yes. They're all short.
Beautiful.
Adam Curry: Amy McDaniel. BlackDiamond. Washington.
$1,000. John. Adam, thanks so much for the entertaining
education you provide each week. I look forward to each show and
I'm not disappointed. Thanks, Amy McDaniel. Thank you, Amy.
John C Dvorak: Timothy McKay. In Battle Creek, Michigan. Battle
Creek. Kellogg's. Gentlemen, thank you for your courage and
kudos for working the holiday. Please accept this reciprocation
of my treasured for your talent. You may anoint me as sir
Cordwainer of your I'd like grass fed ribeyes and rice as
racks besides Iraq why Ray says Rachael Ray at the round table
no jiggles no karma Timothy McKay Battle Creek Michigan.
Yes,
Adam Curry: we got the grass fed grain finished for you out
that's okay. que que da we know Q Q. Q Key West Florida 1000. If
I still qualify for the PhD, then good. If not, you still
deserve this donation for all the good things you do to change
the world. Wow, I that's a big pretty big kudos, man. I don't
know if we changed Well,
John C Dvorak: if you change your underwear, it's about it.
And I'm not even sure about him. Kevin Steffensen muscle, muscle
muscle, muscle Shores, Alabama shows, shows guest shows in the
morning and happy Thanksgiving. He writes I've enjoyed and
learned a lot from John's articles in PC Magazine back in
the day. Then I found this podcast and I'm enjoying Adams
just as much you to brighten my week. I was in K 12 education in
Alabama as a CTO for over 26 years and loved it. But when
COVID and online forced learning forced us to give every child a
Chromebook and then support them and the teachers at home day and
night. Essentially my health took a downturn and I'll bet I
must say I took the early retirement option and left the
best move I've made and now I work for a private company
selling educational websites also found out at least seven of
my peers across the state that I know have had health issues at
the time due to the added stress of incredible amounts of federal
funding for hardware software but regulations that couldn't be
spent on additional salaries. I remember this and CTOs are not
hourly workers like the technicians we took the brunt of
it and many left we
Adam Curry: we talked about this we talked about tech guys going
no we can't do this you you just politicians you're like yeah,
come on. Chromebooks is good learn at home. And they're like
we need you can't support all this stuff. And teachers we're
getting angry at them. This sucks it's not working fix it.
John C Dvorak: So yeah, this poor guys Yeah, yeah, you get in
the middle your tech guy knows best since I have more change in
my pocketbook now or my pocket and I no longer want to be a
douche bag and so please de douche. You've been de deuced we
should make me an instant I didn't know agenda scholar for
my night name. I'd like to be sir trs 80. I'll take Blanton's
and carrot cake at the round table. And as for jingles, I'd
love John spooky donate and our two day to karma Keep up the
great work Kevin in Muscle Shoals Oza Alabama
Unknown: you've got
Adam Curry: karma you've got karma we got sir Moscow bass
from Silver Spring Maryland with 1000 no notes I will give him a
double up karma as he deserves. You've got
John C Dvorak: to take the next one. Now take the next one. You
can take the long one. No, it's not that long but okay, it's
shorter. Matthew Gebhardt 1000. After all these years crown you
graduated with my PhD. Oh, this is the one I noticed not the
one. The learning never stops. Next, I'm enrolling into no
agenda Institute of theoretical and applied podcasting where you
can help us open it could make a positive difference in the
world. Keep up the great work. Thank you.
Adam Curry: Lee North 1000 My wife thinks I'm crazy. But I
couldn't pass up the chance for a PhD and a credit for the
Thanksgiving Day special. I guess my new title should be
barren sir. Dr. Goon thank you for your courage as always jobs,
jobs, jobs and RTD to karma. Lee North Kansas City Quito Fox 00
Bravo Echo Hotel, 70 threes kilo, five alpha, Charlie,
Charlie, the weight your wife thinks you're crazy for donating
getting a PhD but not for being a ham. I supposed to be honest
about that. Well, I'm glad she didn't protest too much. She's
obviously a fantastic woman jobs,
John C Dvorak: jobs, jobs and jobs. That's Volker jobs. You've
got karma. Kenny Demis Keaney or Evgeny damask GYN in Boston,
Massachusetts, is I think this is the first day of Guinea that
we've ever had to great name $1,000 And he says, I want my
framed PhD where you're going to get your PhD but it's not going
to get or sell yourself. It's very carefully packed so I
wouldn't worry about that. Yeah,
Adam Curry: comes in in an official envelope like a fold
open thing, just like while it is a real PhD. It's
indistinguishable from one from an institution like an asylum.
Sir Jim watts, Baron of Whistler, Whistler BC I've been
to Whistler
John C Dvorak: okay, this is the questionable this we'll have to
discuss is very questionable. I
Adam Curry: will read the note and then we shall discuss 1000
Canadian in closed for a cut rate PhD. We celebrated
Thanksgiving on October on October they harvest celebration
up here I will stay with Baron title as it has a nice ring jobs
karma please Jim watts, Baron of Whistler. Now we didn't
necessarily say that you could get a cut rate PhD now did we?
No.
John C Dvorak: No, but we didn't say you couldn't.
Adam Curry: Now there's no evidence we didn't say we
couldn't. So
John C Dvorak: I was very torn when I saw the $733 donation for
the cut rate PhD Yeah, because the Canadians we've always given
them full credit for Australia and Australia and New Zealand
and Australians the two of them and Zealanders if they anyone
listens and
Adam Curry: soon Argentinians but
John C Dvorak: we won't get too many listeners down there. So I
don't know what I mean is Yeah, I can't not give it to him. But
is it we only have one week left as any other Canadians who want
to come in for 733
Adam Curry: but I mean if anyone if anyone argues with this I
think you should just go kick a Canadian in the shins but I
think we should do it
John C Dvorak: yeah, because we likely is only one more week
left in a promotion so that's the end of it. All right.
Adam Curry: Well, here's your jobs karma and congratulations
on your well deserved PhD jobs,
Unknown: jobs, jobs and jobs Let's vote for jobs. Karma
John C Dvorak: Zachary Michael in also in Canada, seven 30.3
Which probably adds up to the right number to take for
everything you do I thought of a few things to say but knowing
how much you to adore long notes I will refrain from doing so and
deprive you of such gratification. It goes on and
on. However in that handsome millennial gals get however, as
a handsome millennial gals get at me please tell me sir cow
1984 and look forward to my PhD a second Canadian in the same
show that comes up with a basic the same calculation how could
anyone pass up a chance to get two birds stoned at once? For
jingles possibly play the medley just take the vaccine at the end
of the show. Thanks again sir. See a Canada sir Canada so
Adam Curry: I looked for this I couldn't find medley for so
medley maybe means a supercut I could not find a just take the
vaccine I mean there's not a supercut of just take the
vaccine I don't remember it either now so I couldn't be hurt
it someplace else. But we do have a good end of show mix for
you and we appreciate your support anonymous in Chicago
Illinois 34567 Very much appreciate having something good
to listen to says anonymous couple of submissions for you. I
had a friend in college who exclaimed yep or Skipper for any
answers in the affirmative sometimes shortening to yeppers
and for the weight loss drug game Dyson die in thin or
something there abouts. A very sincere thank you for your
courage PS It appears I
John C Dvorak: get it. What? Die thin.
Adam Curry: Oh, die. Ha. Got it. PS it appears Ice Age farmer has
gone silent. Adams mentioned reminded me about him nothing
online for at least a year. I hope he's okay. I don't know who
it is. Ice Age farmer. Yeah. We played the clip of him
predicting that you know, the big food shortages and I played
every year short and I played every year hobby starved to
death.
John C Dvorak: So yes, he thanks us for working on Thanksgiving
and we appreciate that.
Unknown: We're good with that.
John C Dvorak: Now we go with the Aaron Sean prairie Ville,
Louisiana. Three Three switcheroo I appreciate you all
so much especially since y'all work on important holidays like
this one. This donation is for my smokin hot husband. Sure Jew
claw All right, sir, towards upping his peerage in the
future. I don't think I need any jingles. We barely need to jobs
karma for something I'm trying to accomplish with my business
in the near future. Gotta get my mom out of my house karma. Oh,
lol I know there isn't one of those since her house caught
fire two foot point five months ago and she's been living with a
sense of finding a new house and this market is not proving to be
very easy. And lastly, I'd like to mention the upcoming no eight
Yeah, no, a no agenda meetup in southern Louisiana that we're
hosting on Friday, December 1.
Adam Curry: That'll get your mom out of the house bring a bunch
of no agenda people in
John C Dvorak: Yeah, I think that's about it. We'll do it. I
should call out a few douchebags I know at the upcoming meetup
but I'll keep them anonymous for now. Thanks Aaron Shaw, Dame
Mary moon
Adam Curry: and because of that, we'll give you a TPP jobs karma
jobs, jobs, jobs, jobs. Jobs, job karma. Let us know if it
works. Aaron Brzezinski and Atewa Tennessee 333 dot 33 If
you're in El Paso area, stop by downrange brewery. See Gabe and
his wife for the best beer and the best people in town. John
and Adam thank you for the greatest podcast in the
universe. Happy Thanksgiving. Thank you
John C Dvorak: sir Ronald Gardner is San Diego California.
Three Three is also sir wrong to 33 ITM gents wanted to express
our gratitude and thanks for the work you do to make no agenda
the best podcast in the universe especially during the holidays
where you continue to work and we slack off. Thank you ever so
much. This donation will make me a Viking on please change my
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surrounding waters we would like some house selling moving karma
as we try to escape from the Socialist Republic of
California. Happy Thanksgiving and many blessings to you and
your families and to all the Knights and Dames out there stay
safe cheers, sir wrong 33
Adam Curry: You've got karma. And coming in from Amsterdam sir
Pete's sir pates are Pete's PPP tu tu tu tu tu rove ducks itMs
repeat here. I love the show. Even better lately. He's been
around for a long time. Thank you. Here's a sack of ducks in
return. Could you grace my fellow producers and myself with
some jobs karma. Love is lit. And he says oh, he wants a
jingle requests. He has a healthy diet, which I think is
the healthy news diet. F 35 goat karma so we'll combine that with
your jobs requests. You wake
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John C Dvorak: Paul Crowe Schulich in Binghamton, New
York. Two, two 2.22 another road ducks. Paul from Bing Bing
Hampton New York Bing Bing into now we always say Binghamton,
but it's being ham eaten? No jingles? No Carmen, thank you.
Adam Curry: And then we have oh yes, one of these is always the
Joker's Shawn in Stafford, Virginia 212 at pay J and A
after three plus years of listening glad to no longer be a
douchebag here's my 212 ad. My most recent pay raise brought me
to 4333 I can't deny the pod father anymore after that number
came my way thanks for working Thanksgiving really It means a
lot to get quality content on the holiday I will be listening
for the fat lady to sing at 2pm while making while milking
milking my holiday double time and has a very known sequence
Trump I'm going to come Kamala don't come Joe whole load and a
Howard Dean screen. I'm gonna come. I'm going to give you the
whole load. Did you go never heard that one.
John C Dvorak: Here, Eric Adler in Punta Gorda, Florida thought
it was time to donate when I was giving a frequency change to Jax
at 133 Point 33 He's a pilot well at 33,000 feet is upon
banks MorphOS
Adam Curry: that's pretty cool. If that really is possible.
There's 130 3.3 frequency for Jackson for Jacksonville.
Jacksonville now
John C Dvorak: finishes up with Linda lo pagkain. in Lakewood,
Colorado. Jobs karma for resume search that gets results go to
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you guys are street canal is amazing. Yeah, I know she's a
staredown so I want to say that Eric, ours Joe in Stockholm,
Sweden that came in at one nine 9.99 is really a $200 donation
and that happens to be just exchange rates.
Adam Curry: Okay, so he is definitely on the list for he's
got
John C Dvorak: no note associated. Recognize him and
let's give him a double up karma. No, wow.
Adam Curry: Moved up No. Perfect. Karma. Well, we of
course think our executive and associated executive producers
and congratulate our PhDs. Our new PhDs will actually have a
little ceremony for you in a moment. This this is ending
though. And Sunday will be the last time no Wednesday the 333rd
day of the year last day, you can pick that up. Thank you so
much. We this makes me feel good about working on the holiday. I
hope it makes you feel good. The value has been exchanged. It is
highly appreciated. We have a lot more people to thank who
supported us today. John is gonna take us through the 50s
John C Dvorak: We'll starting with Patricia Lewis and Merced
California 16667 She actually sent a little note in it's uh, I
think she sent the guard Yeah, she sent a card. She says
Thanks, John. And and she's cute card. She got good at you know
what? She looks it looks like Tina's handwriting.
Adam Curry: Ah, yeah. Tina says a little less. balloony
John C Dvorak: anonymous in Calgary, Ella she came into
16667 Anonymous in Calgary, Alberta. 121 some baby making
karma give you that at the end Don Malley in Fremont,
California. 113 in field 100 Rachel Pillet kowski no amount.
She's in Portage, Wisconsin. She says don't say the amount. So we
won't. But it's funny where it's located on the list she
Adam Curry: wants to be deduced.
John C Dvorak: You've been de deuced William gherkin and
Centennial Colorado. Happy Thanksgiving. Joseph solino in
East Syracuse, New York. 100. Steven Rivas in Rowland Heights
California 100. Dame twin mama inator. Incoming Georgia 100 and
other Happy Thanksgiving Brian Lillard and prosper Texas. 888.
Jack Schofield, our field in yankeetown, Florida. Looks like
he's going to be a night and I think this is a note you have to
read because of it. Yes,
Adam Curry: because having completed 20 monthly payments
for knighthood. Let's do a switcheroo for my lovely life's
lovely wife Susie, who has managed to take 51 trips around
the sun with me Yes, we had a few fights 51 years together. Oh
wow. Please name her Dame Suzie boot scooter of the nature
coast. What is that name all about? No jingles no karma. We
have been blessed. No specialfare Just half portions
at the round table and please do doo dee doo. I will renew and
continue to fill my contract of monthly donations and until I do
so will remain a douche is keeping a promise and fulfilling
a contract is very important. Love them boobs. Yes. Susie's
birthday is less than 24. Please put on the birthday, Liz. She's
on there, Jack Schofield. John. It's phonetically Schofield. You
got it. Love you guys. ITM Love you too. And we look forward to
welcoming soon Jason
John C Dvorak: Maurer in Vancouver, Washington. 808. And
so it's Jack's by those eight oh, wait. And then we get to
Kevin McLaughlin are Archduke of Luna lover of American boobs in
Concord, North Carolina with 808 with a commentary. Did you know
boobs are approved men can focus on two things at once.
Adam Curry: That's a good. I like that.
John C Dvorak: That's a good observation. Yeah, it's
observations just sure line man and Illinois. 808. Thanks for
working on the holiday Joseph whitish in Miami. of Miami,
California is what it says. does have a note. Does it say on
here? No. Miami, Florida. It was misinterpreted. Miami, Florida
7777. Gregory kiradech In Padova, Italy, hey, patois. Hey,
and he says, are you happy Thanksgiving. Thank you, Kate
Smith and Leonard town, Maryland. 7272. Sir Rick, in
early days, actually now he's bearing Rick, I think in
Arlington, Washington, not 6996 We have to now get it in our
mindset. It's barren Rick, Josh Magnuson and Kyle, Texas. 6969.
Was
Adam Curry: he was yeah, it was at the Austin meetup donation.
John C Dvorak: Sure, doctor, sir becoming heroic in Schererville,
Indiana 6886 which he calls jiggly boobs. Scott, Brian to
look at that and figure that out. Scott Riley in Meridian,
Idaho. 66 Cameron Linga in North Branch Minnesotan at 6010. errs
Kevin McLaughlin again with 606 small boobs. Ladies, are you
living your best life? Oh, he's inserted upon into
Adam Curry: this. He's, hey, he's still there. We love you.
Yes.
John C Dvorak: Astonishing. Tim Freeman in Placerville,
California, 606 and other aficionado Matthew LRH in
Weatherford, Texas. 606 Ryan Smith in Raleigh, North Carolina
606 Matthew Martin como New South Wales, Australia. 60. Sir,
not Jake and Thompson, Connecticut 5678 Sir Edward of
the henpecked in Omaha, Nebraska at 555 Paul Webb in Twickenham
Middlesex UK to defy 55
Adam Curry: He says Happy Thanksgiving gents. Don't worry.
Everyone in the UK is working today as well. While that's
true,
John C Dvorak: Stephen said they're getting ready for Black
Friday. Stephen Smith and maynardville Tennessee 5510.
Barron Henry of the outpost Weston Rancho Palos Verdes days
California five to four to Alan Huffman in Urbandale, Iowa. 5042
Jordan, Jordan Brown and Centerville Ohio 5033 is we're
getting to the 50s fours Martin 505 Andrew Ben's in Missouri
505. And now we get the $50 donors. And we'll wrap this
thing up starting with Robert case and mill spring North
Carolina Matt Killingsworth. Illingworth in Montclair, New
Jersey, Julian Robbins in Aptos. California Matthias Paczynski in
Hawthorne, California. Nicholas Ruda, which in Harpers Ferry
West Virginia Daniel, a boy in Bath minutes, Michigan. Michael
Sikora in New Richmond, Wisconsin. Tatiana prints in
Hollywood, Florida. Sir Patrick McCaw, Macomb in New York City,
Robert Hanna in Poway, California. Kate Haskell Islam
today, Haskell in San Rafael, California David Perdue and Snow
Hill, North Carolina, Michael Romano and Sebastopol, gaucho
woodworking, check them out in Redondo Beach, California Greg
off in Austin, Texas, Alexa Delgado in another Aptos dweller
Ronald stereo in Riverview, Florida, Carrie Meeks in
Franklin, Tennessee, Rita Harrington and sparks Nevada.
Happy Thanksgiving to you, Alexis Robles in Chula Vista.
Um, the two uncles he never had. She never had. Devon O'Connell
and Boylston Boylston, Massachusetts, James Farrell in
Haverhill, Massachusetts. And last on the list is Michael
stadium. And he's from Parts Unknown on this list. So we want
to thank these, these a lot of people today for helping us out
OSHA 1610 making it a possibility. Thank
Adam Curry: you all get a winner. Yes, thank you all so
much, and thank you to those of you who donated under $50 We do
not mention those names to make sure they're anonymous if people
want to be anonymous. 4999 works perfectly for us. And of course,
if you don't one of those many sustaining donations, which you
can make, make up your own number a lot of people like 333
a lot of people like 33. So I'm like 1212 1111, you can find a
whole bunch more at
Unknown: volterra.org/and a more at no
Adam Curry: agenda donations.com Thank you for making our
overtime here. Very valuable to us. We hope you appreciate it as
well. And we look forward to handing out those PhDs but also
the titles of executive producer and Associate Executive producer
for the people we mentioned earlier. They're real. You can
put them on your LinkedIn, you can put them on your resume and
of course, they are completely valid and you can open up an
IMDB profile account with them. Thank you very much for
supporting the best podcast in the universe episode 1610 Now,
our formula is this. We go out hit people in the mouth.
Oddly enough, the birthday list is pretty short. We have David
CatCard turns 45 will turn 45 on November 15. Jack show Schofield
wishes his wife Susie a happy birthday turns 51 on November
24. That is tomorrow. And Jordan brown wishes his son Ren Brown a
happy birthday he'll be turning one year old tomorrow. And
Patricia Lewis wishes her daughter Emily Mitchell a happy
birthday for the 29th we say happy birthday from everybody
here's the best podcast in the universe
don't want to be induced. We have two title changes. Sir
Ronald Gardiner Baron of insane Diego and surrounding waters
become sir Ronald Gardiner vi counts of insane Diego and
surrounding waters in sir goon becomes barren sir Dr. Goon and
we congratulate both of you and we'd like to welcome our fresh
PhD candidates up here. The day is coming up here. Duke of
Central Florida Jason Adams Rodney Lilly bridge, Robert
Knutson, Brian Teleki Ernest Flores anonymous Sherelle
Patterson AMI McDaniel Timothy McKay QQ. Kevin Stevenson, sir
Moskovitz Matthew Gephardt Lee north you Have you any dumber
scheme Uh, sorry, sir Jim watts, Baron of Whistler, and Zachary
Michael. Welcome new no agenda MD PhD to the society of learned
persons. The paths of this high academic honor for some of you
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but today is not the end No, it is only a beginning. From this
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John C Dvorak: You always laugh at me is actually getting a
little better because you're so dramatic. Working
Adam Curry: on it. I'm working on it. Hey, we also have some
days and nights is a good day here at the OK Corral bring.
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Keven Kevin Stephenson, Zachary, Michael and Robert Knutson.
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Man what a lot of activity we have here today. Please go to no
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well, amazingly, there are a couple of meetups that are
taking place this week tomorrow to be exact, but first we have a
report from the San Francisco meetup. Hello,
Unknown: this is lavish reporting to live from the San
Francisco meetup at sunset reservoir brewing. This is Sir
recalcitrant crazy Steve the second and just letting you know
we're baman baman baman. And again,
is it Sir Paul last night of the Bay Area my first meetup.
This is Baroness Sarah rooper listener from episode one. I'm
here with the original sucker, baby pilot.
And this is her better half. Jonathan Bird. First time meet
up in the morning. Captain Luke here. Thank you for your
courage.
This dude named Ben named Ben can of San Francisco exploring
all the beers San Francisco has to offer.
Fair Annette Boyle here drinking the beers and
Adam Curry: yeah, I can tell you that in the morning sound like
it was done after some of the beers. Yeah, yeah, here's what
we have. Come on up tomorrow. Uh, no agenda meetup wise. We
have the Fort Worth Thanksgiving recovery meet up at one o'clock
at flips Patio Grill that weather permitting. It'll be
outside Fort Worth, Texas. And also tomorrow flight of the no
agenda. You could never go wrong with beer and tacos meet up.
That'll be at 3:33pm Pacific whoa tortilla Cantina. in
Torrance, California. Of course. Leo Bravo. He does all of those
out there. And then there's this huge list that Mimi no no too
many eggs.com sent it's not that big. And I'm just going to
mention a couple of them November 30 Tilburg, the
Netherlands. We got Higgins from Connecticut on December 2.
Remember Indianapolis Indy Hello Indy curry and the keeper are
coming your way on December the fourth. We got Houston on
December the ninth Fredericksburg, Virginia on the
ninth we got Epping, New Hampshire on the 16th this is in
December, Charlotte, North Carolina December 21. We've got
them all the way up until Christmas. No agenda meetups you
deserve to go to one of these. It is the perfect companion to
the no agenda podcast where you get to meet people hang out with
them feel good communicate with human beings no AI allowed and
of course connection is protection go to no agenda
meetups.com If you can't find one near you start one yourself.
It's easy and always a party.
Unknown: With all the dates and days, you will be triggered. You
want to be
Adam Curry: like alright, I only have two ISOs so I'll I'll just
go first with my ISIS. Here's the first one. Yeah, okay.
Here's the second one. Don't believe Joe Biden. I could not
resist
John C Dvorak: this acuity. I could not resist. Okay, I've got
for all of them pretty decent. Be SBS is top one. Bullshit.
Unknown: It's all bullshit. Anyway,
Adam Curry: who is this? I recognize that bullshit. Trump.
John C Dvorak: Trump. Yeah. Then we have a classic bye bye. Oh,
Adam Curry: I don't like the ending but okay.
John C Dvorak: And then we have the sound effect, which I
appreciate it. Yes. Good Ending for Thanksgiving show. And I
think this is probably the best one which is Thank God. Thank
God it's over. Yeah. Okay,
Adam Curry: I'm with you on that one. I'm ready. That's it. Good.
We'll take that now. It's time
Unknown: for Google. JCD
John C Dvorak: All right. I do have a good news.
Adam Curry: Of course you have a good news clip because it's your
beat and you need to do it
John C Dvorak: well, this is a unfortunately is a long clip and
then a fight has little follow kicker good news. Good news.
Good
Adam Curry: news clip can never be can never get too much good
news. Well,
John C Dvorak: this is good news for people with alopecia.
Unknown: And now to a story that is positively San Diego a
student at a well PR Lady of Peace in North Park has just won
the highest Girl Scout honor called the gold award and it's
for her dedication, leadership and commitment to making a
difference in her community.
ABC reporter Perla Shaheen joins us now live from North Park
pearly had a chance to talk to this young woman about her
struggle with alopecia and how she's turning all of it into a
positive. Jared
we met right here at the Academy of Our Lady of Peace. This is
her high school. And let me tell you sitting in front of a 17
year old who was so well spoken, and so accomplished was
extremely impressive. And this tote bag that I'm carrying is
just one part of her mission to spread awareness around
alopecia. It's a disease that causes sudden and severe hair
loss. At 14 years old Gabriella caminos started losing large
patches of hair on her scalp, losing my hair my thick hair was
scary to me no had just started high school at Our Lady of Peace
near University Heights. Doctors assumed the sudden bolding was
correlated to stress it takes a toll on your mental health your
self confidence you feel very alone finally in May of 2021
Samina was diagnosed with alopecia areata, she turned to
scout troop for support, but no one understood the disease
looking
through the photos online and there were only pictures of
middle aged men with bald spots in their beards or their heads
but didn't really feel represented this project
alopecia tote bag so Samina
decided to use her Girl Scout Gold Award project as an
opportunity to raise awareness of the disease. She started a
Health and Wellness Fair at her school, giving women the
opportunity to donate their hair, and she created tote bags
filled with educational pamphlets and books that
students could pick up to learn more about alopecia.
Each of those tote bags were put into every school in the Diocese
of San Diego.
Her work was so profound, the Girl Scouts recognized her with
the gold award. It's their highest honor and only a
shortlist of members are awarded. Wow.
Adam Curry: I mean, not just good news but good news with a
tote bag. And did you ever second part to this good news.
Oh,
John C Dvorak: second part.
Adam Curry: Wow, this is fans. How did you feel when
Unknown: you had earned it?
It was definitely fulfillment, a lot of accomplishment, a lot of
gratitude that I actually experienced everything. I turned
a negative into a positive and I would never go back
in just a week. Gabby is going to start her senior year here at
Our Lady of Peace and she plans to continue this work in
college. And then she will join the gold award ceremony for the
Girl Scouts next year. Live in North Park Perla Shaheen, ABC 10
News.
Adam Curry: Wow. Well, John, I can only say you've just you've
outdone yourself good news and a tote bag.
Unknown: A good news story from JC Edie had the vibes for you
and me and we all feel better now. He's done his bit. Back to
reality. That's turning to shit.
Adam Curry: Sir Chris Wilson, he lives and we love him for it.
Alright, affiliates, we're at three hours. 33 minutes and 33
seconds. How about that,
John C Dvorak: huh? Too long,
Adam Curry: too long. Well, it's what it is. It's a special
Thanksgiving episode. Special Show special show just for
y'all. Coming up next the no agenda stream as you continue to
hang out here. I'm sure since who wants to hang out with the
relatives? Oh, it's episode 65 of carrying the keeper. Which
was podcast and just last night fresh. Fresh off the grill. And
the show mixes DS laughs or Michael Anthony. We got Danny
loosen sir Starkweather we thank them very much. We thank all of
you. Thank you trolls for being here in the chat room. Have a
happy Thanksgiving coming to you from the heart of the Texas Hill
Country in the morning everybody. I'm Adam curry in
John C Dvorak: from Northern Silicon Valley where it's
actually hot and hazy for some reason today. I'm Jhansi Dvorak.
We
Adam Curry: look forward to being right back here with you
on Sunday. We hope you will join us remember connectionist
protection and don't eat too much Turkey, your turkeys. until
Sunday, remember us at the vorak.org/na Adios mofos a hui
Hui, and such so far no good.
John C Dvorak: But again, we're so far ahead of the game on this
deconstruction stuff that we think could be months from now
does happen
Unknown: and spotting lies let me give you some clues non
pertinent information I mean, it puts you in the shoes
masquerading as the news stories amplified given to the public
but think about it who's to choose information war
supplements and so much more on short next in line young Alex
Jones analyses when time 60 days on trumped up charges so then
I'm calling you all out. Pigs in human swine law enforcement what
their lives easier eating donuts over pounding the pavement. It's
not evil, but it is tastier. A funny statement nonetheless.
very unpopular. Left amongst our base yes Global Citizen and
never made sense to me. You can only live your life as a private
entity can we all agree collectivism over your
individuality is a hell of a schism. What makes the show
special when loser drone drifts the Monday's produces put away
the phone preferably in a drawer what do we now have in store
PhDs in media deconstruction that means so much more. That
goes to no agenda store? No watching that you the bomb, I
could just go on and on. Tab never wrap up the news. Wrap up
the news that coming up and up the song.
Happy Thanksgiving in New York City as your base base into last
time he went on a holiday in turkey and ham while I am in
tofurkey and yams and enjoy your meat why you can we already had
meatless Mondays in school vegan Fridays and we're going to keep
trying to make all your plant base but if you're still going
to eat meat, the FDA just approved lab grown chicken for
human consumption and if you're still not satisfied with that
recall make only crickets and cockroaches like I say enjoy
that you're gonna be eating rats
symptomatic transmission has never been to the driver of
outbreaks. The driver of outbreaks is always symptomatic
person who models in the 90s are quite clear and 66 sided facts
we keep having six out of the 60 see bewildered slow but a that
was the worst answer he's ever given for any question sick
person. An epidemic is not driven by asymptomatic care
carriers Superbad we record these things Yeah, we keep the
website
alerted. So we sort of had to discover it on our own. way
language is suddenly fast.
Side effects team of scholars on staging gas cans will slow down
the mouse mouse and
flu is over the
winter is coming to is
one was called Atlantic storm and the other one was called
Dark Winter Dark Winter darkest
Adam Curry: and worst days of this pandemic, unfortunately,
are ahead of us not
Unknown: dark winter more. Look at it. Go through all the
processes and by the way, we're about to go into a dark winter.
The recent Dark Winter exercise.
Adam Curry: It's a very dark moment.
Unknown: MoPhO boruch.org/and Thank God it's over.