1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:02,040 John C Dvorak: You're talking to me about this EPA that's 2 00:00:02,040 --> 00:00:04,800 supposed to be clamping down on everything and it's causing a 3 00:00:04,800 --> 00:00:07,680 bit of regulatory problems for the small farmers of the world. 4 00:00:07,980 --> 00:00:10,230 Adam curry, John C. Dvorak. 5 00:00:10,740 --> 00:00:13,260 Adam Curry: You're at 2020. For the show award winning 6 00:00:13,260 --> 00:00:16,770 accumulation media assassination, Episode 1635. 7 00:00:16,770 --> 00:00:17,220 This 8 00:00:17,310 --> 00:00:18,660 Unknown: is no agenda, 9 00:00:19,980 --> 00:00:23,010 Adam Curry: renewing your mind and broadcasting live from the 10 00:00:23,010 --> 00:00:26,160 heart of the Texas hill country here in FEMA Region number six. 11 00:00:26,430 --> 00:00:28,320 In the morning, everybody. I'm Adam curry, 12 00:00:28,470 --> 00:00:30,870 John C Dvorak: and I'm from Northern Silicon Valley, where 13 00:00:30,870 --> 00:00:34,770 we're all being pounded by climate change. I'm John C. 14 00:00:34,770 --> 00:00:35,190 Dvorak. 15 00:00:39,510 --> 00:00:42,300 Adam Curry: You being pounded, pounded by climate change what's 16 00:00:42,300 --> 00:00:43,650 going on? Yeah, I've 17 00:00:43,650 --> 00:00:47,880 John C Dvorak: been pounded with rain last night. It's windy now. 18 00:00:47,880 --> 00:00:50,520 It's gonna rain about there. But when the show ends, it's gonna 19 00:00:50,520 --> 00:00:54,000 start raining again, as you have and you know, this is a big, 20 00:00:54,810 --> 00:00:57,480 this is a big deal, because I 21 00:00:57,480 --> 00:00:59,580 Adam Curry: can hear I can hear the branches against your window 22 00:00:59,580 --> 00:01:03,240 again. Yeah, that's annoying, very annoying that it happens. 23 00:01:04,379 --> 00:01:06,299 John C Dvorak: If it's annoying to you, you can imagine what I 24 00:01:06,299 --> 00:01:13,139 think yes. Meanwhile, of course, I'm not black, so I don't really 25 00:01:13,139 --> 00:01:14,759 have the full impact. 26 00:01:15,480 --> 00:01:16,680 Adam Curry: Do I do have that clip? 27 00:01:17,640 --> 00:01:21,840 John C Dvorak: Of course I do. Good. Blacks. 28 00:01:23,040 --> 00:01:24,720 Adam Curry: This was quite unbelievable. 29 00:01:26,730 --> 00:01:28,380 John C Dvorak: Rachel Levine by the way, 30 00:01:28,620 --> 00:01:31,650 Adam Curry: this is a this is a dude pretending to be a woman in 31 00:01:31,650 --> 00:01:33,120 an army skirt. Hello, 32 00:01:33,270 --> 00:01:36,450 Unknown: I'm Admiral Rachel Levine. This black history month 33 00:01:36,450 --> 00:01:39,870 I'm pleased to partner with OMH in advancing better health 34 00:01:39,990 --> 00:01:43,560 through better understanding for black communities. Climate 35 00:01:43,560 --> 00:01:45,930 change is having a disproportionate effect on the 36 00:01:45,930 --> 00:01:49,290 physical and mental health of black communities. Black 37 00:01:49,290 --> 00:01:52,560 Americans are more likely than white Americans to live in areas 38 00:01:52,560 --> 00:01:56,100 and housing that increase their susceptibility to climate 39 00:01:56,100 --> 00:02:00,600 related health issues. And 65% of black Americans report 40 00:02:00,600 --> 00:02:04,230 feeling anxious about climate changes impact through our 41 00:02:04,230 --> 00:02:07,500 office of climate change and health equity, and the Office of 42 00:02:07,500 --> 00:02:10,290 Environmental Justice. We're working with providers and 43 00:02:10,290 --> 00:02:13,860 community leaders to identify innovative approaches that 44 00:02:13,860 --> 00:02:17,940 empower communities to address to health consequences linked to 45 00:02:17,940 --> 00:02:22,710 climate change. Visit hhs.gov for more information and tune in 46 00:02:22,710 --> 00:02:26,670 next Thursday, so hear from another HHS leader and how you 47 00:02:26,670 --> 00:02:29,460 can contribute to advancing better health for black 48 00:02:29,460 --> 00:02:30,690 communities. Omar second. 49 00:02:32,010 --> 00:02:34,620 Adam Curry: Hey, Mo Hey, MO You okay, just go check out MO You 50 00:02:34,620 --> 00:02:37,110 know, because the climate change might be hurting my buddy. Oh, 51 00:02:37,110 --> 00:02:37,410 yeah. 52 00:02:37,740 --> 00:02:39,990 John C Dvorak: Well, black family that lives down the hill, 53 00:02:39,990 --> 00:02:41,610 and it's raining on them right now. 54 00:02:41,670 --> 00:02:44,490 Adam Curry: It's not raining on you only on them? Yeah, it's 55 00:02:44,490 --> 00:02:48,450 weird. Well, if you thought that was weird, how's your money 56 00:02:48,450 --> 00:02:50,580 doing? Because your money changed with this climate change 57 00:02:50,580 --> 00:02:52,200 has something happened your financials. 58 00:02:54,210 --> 00:02:55,740 John C Dvorak: Probably, here's 59 00:02:55,770 --> 00:03:01,830 Adam Curry: a dude in a dress. Tonight. I'm sorry. I set it up 60 00:03:01,830 --> 00:03:05,070 so perfectly. Here's the dude in a dress in Europe, 61 00:03:05,130 --> 00:03:09,960 Unknown: floods, droughts and wildfires last year, with just a 62 00:03:09,960 --> 00:03:15,750 preview of what is to come. But hotter climate and nature loss 63 00:03:16,110 --> 00:03:21,510 are changing our economy and our financial system. At the ECB, we 64 00:03:21,510 --> 00:03:26,430 must understand this change to ensure financial stability and 65 00:03:26,430 --> 00:03:31,200 to fulfill our price stability mandate. With our new climate 66 00:03:31,200 --> 00:03:36,090 and nature plan, we focus on the following three things. First, 67 00:03:36,660 --> 00:03:41,550 the green transition. Second, the growing physical impact of 68 00:03:41,550 --> 00:03:46,650 climate change. And third, the risks from nature loss and 69 00:03:46,650 --> 00:03:51,480 degradation. We will study the impact on the economy and the 70 00:03:51,480 --> 00:03:57,240 financial system. This will help us improve our own models. We 71 00:03:57,240 --> 00:04:01,290 will also work to reduce our carbon footprint in everything 72 00:04:01,290 --> 00:04:06,330 we do. From banknotes to how we supervise banks climate 73 00:04:06,330 --> 00:04:12,900 Adam Curry: changes is blowing the banknotes away cbdc Incoming 74 00:04:12,900 --> 00:04:20,490 Europe ready for it. This is so absurd. And it seems like it's 75 00:04:20,490 --> 00:04:22,770 putting dudes in dresses. That seems to be the worst thing 76 00:04:22,830 --> 00:04:24,090 going on here. That's 77 00:04:24,090 --> 00:04:26,670 John C Dvorak: very strange, is it's very strange. I 78 00:04:26,670 --> 00:04:29,670 Adam Curry: mean, it's so I mean ice Of course, everyone saw the 79 00:04:29,670 --> 00:04:35,160 video of Admiral Admiral living What's your name? 80 00:04:35,310 --> 00:04:36,420 John C Dvorak: Admiral Levine, 81 00:04:37,260 --> 00:04:40,890 Adam Curry: roll Levine. And each I mean, I don't know, my 82 00:04:40,890 --> 00:04:43,650 brain still can't get used to it. I'm sorry. And then what's 83 00:04:43,650 --> 00:04:46,320 coming out of this person's mouth is just what are you 84 00:04:46,320 --> 00:04:47,400 talking about? 85 00:04:50,400 --> 00:04:52,590 John C Dvorak: Well, I have a series of clips if you want to 86 00:04:52,590 --> 00:04:54,450 start with since we're on climate change. Well, I 87 00:04:54,450 --> 00:04:56,130 Adam Curry: need to say something important. First of 88 00:04:56,130 --> 00:04:59,520 all, just so everybody knows. You've probably seen the video 89 00:04:59,520 --> 00:05:03,720 yesterday. deed. We are actually two Golden Retrievers podcasting 90 00:05:03,720 --> 00:05:05,940 from a snowy mountaintop. I just want everyone to understand 91 00:05:05,940 --> 00:05:06,570 that's us. 92 00:05:08,490 --> 00:05:10,620 John C Dvorak: I have not seen this video. Oh, 93 00:05:10,620 --> 00:05:14,580 Adam Curry: you didn't hear about Surah Surah Surah from 94 00:05:14,580 --> 00:05:18,060 open AI it's chain. The movie business will be bankrupt in 95 00:05:18,060 --> 00:05:22,290 five years. Oh, you just type in a prompt and it does a video. 96 00:05:22,290 --> 00:05:26,460 Whoa. So there's like three examples. You've seen it? Comic 97 00:05:26,460 --> 00:05:30,480 Strip bloggers all over. Dude with red wool knit hat is space 98 00:05:30,480 --> 00:05:34,680 helmet. You haven't seen that either. What do you do in 99 00:05:34,680 --> 00:05:37,320 between shows? I'm not dealing 100 00:05:37,320 --> 00:05:41,910 John C Dvorak: with AI. I'm getting clips like this series 101 00:05:41,910 --> 00:05:45,630 of clips about the first time PBS on a Saturday of course, 102 00:05:46,050 --> 00:05:50,220 decides to finally do a wrap of the farmers protests. Oh, the 103 00:05:50,220 --> 00:05:53,910 ones in Europe. You're kidding me? All about? Yes. Oh, yeah. 104 00:05:53,910 --> 00:05:58,050 No, it's all about it's all about climate change. And here 105 00:05:58,050 --> 00:06:00,450 we go. With the farm rap one buy it fields 106 00:06:00,450 --> 00:06:03,450 Unknown: to busy city streets. farmers around the world have 107 00:06:03,450 --> 00:06:06,600 launched protests in recent weeks. They're demanding relief 108 00:06:06,600 --> 00:06:10,200 from what they say is a crisis. Ali Rogen reports on what's 109 00:06:10,200 --> 00:06:13,650 driving these protests and what it means for food supply and 110 00:06:13,650 --> 00:06:14,490 climate policy. 111 00:06:14,820 --> 00:06:20,250 They come in convoys of tractors. Armed with the fruits, 112 00:06:20,400 --> 00:06:28,410 bread, and even the livestock of their labor. From Italy, to 113 00:06:28,410 --> 00:06:33,990 India, farmers are taking to the streets sometimes facing 114 00:06:33,990 --> 00:06:37,770 violence, sometimes causing it protesting policies, they say 115 00:06:37,770 --> 00:06:41,130 kill their livelihoods. We're gonna go do that. Every culture 116 00:06:41,130 --> 00:06:44,820 has been on its knees for a long time, we have reached the end of 117 00:06:44,820 --> 00:06:48,570 our rope. In fact, farmers in dozens of countries on six 118 00:06:48,570 --> 00:06:52,470 continents have been staging protests since 2021. This year, 119 00:06:52,470 --> 00:06:55,500 most protests have been in European countries and India. 120 00:06:55,740 --> 00:06:58,920 The grievances vary by country. But there's one common message 121 00:06:59,070 --> 00:07:02,550 farmers can no longer bear the burden of economic and climate 122 00:07:02,550 --> 00:07:03,270 policies. 123 00:07:03,780 --> 00:07:08,130 There is a sense of a rupture in the social contract between 124 00:07:08,130 --> 00:07:10,020 farmers and their governments. 125 00:07:10,320 --> 00:07:12,120 Adam Curry: Oh, at least there are that's a pretty honest 126 00:07:12,120 --> 00:07:18,480 assessment, the climate policy that was Yeah, okay. I'll take 127 00:07:18,480 --> 00:07:22,260 that from PBS. Way to go PBS. Three more clips. I'm sure they 128 00:07:22,260 --> 00:07:23,520 can screw it up somewhere. 129 00:07:24,090 --> 00:07:26,310 John C Dvorak: Well, there's a little guy. There's a funny 130 00:07:26,310 --> 00:07:28,860 little thing in there that I thought was interesting. I don't 131 00:07:28,860 --> 00:07:30,990 know if you'll catch it when it goes by because I didn't catch 132 00:07:30,990 --> 00:07:36,270 it till the second time. But you'll it's cool that coincides 133 00:07:36,270 --> 00:07:39,360 with a lot of these protests too. Let's go with part two. 134 00:07:39,630 --> 00:07:40,110 Danielle 135 00:07:40,110 --> 00:07:42,120 Unknown: Resnick is a senior research fellow at the 136 00:07:42,120 --> 00:07:44,610 International Food Policy Research Institute. 137 00:07:44,760 --> 00:07:49,200 In the EU, it's a sense that farmers are being forced to 138 00:07:49,200 --> 00:07:53,730 unfairly bear the burden of a lot of the EU regulations to 139 00:07:53,730 --> 00:07:58,080 meet climate emission targets in India. There's a sense that 140 00:07:58,260 --> 00:08:01,290 farmers are are overburdened. They're worried about various 141 00:08:01,290 --> 00:08:04,410 shocks including climate shocks, and they want some type of 142 00:08:04,410 --> 00:08:06,120 social protection. In 143 00:08:06,120 --> 00:08:09,300 Europe. Those regulations include limits on pesticides and 144 00:08:09,300 --> 00:08:12,330 the amount of land they can harvest annually. Farmers 145 00:08:12,330 --> 00:08:14,850 they're also worried about competition from abroad and 146 00:08:14,850 --> 00:08:19,530 Ukraine, which has temporary tariff free access to EU markets 147 00:08:19,560 --> 00:08:21,900 stop suppose Ukraine then stop 148 00:08:21,930 --> 00:08:26,970 grain from Ukraine. Stop the Green Deal you're granting about 149 00:08:27,000 --> 00:08:27,780 our land. 150 00:08:30,420 --> 00:08:33,750 In India, farmers want Prime Minister Narendra Modi to expand 151 00:08:33,750 --> 00:08:36,660 a long standing policy of setting minimum prices for 152 00:08:36,660 --> 00:08:40,920 certain crops. In 2021, Modi tried but failed to scrap the 153 00:08:40,920 --> 00:08:44,850 policy following an earlier round of protests. Farmers have 154 00:08:44,850 --> 00:08:47,640 been marching from the north where the protests began to the 155 00:08:47,640 --> 00:08:50,520 capital, but police and soldiers have blocked their way. 156 00:08:50,700 --> 00:08:54,270 Adam Curry: Hamada delete, what are we doing? We go to Delhi or 157 00:08:54,270 --> 00:08:54,630 not. 158 00:08:54,900 --> 00:08:57,330 Unknown: You have not come here to clashed with our soldiers. 159 00:08:57,600 --> 00:09:00,300 We just want our demands met for a law regarding the 160 00:09:00,300 --> 00:09:04,410 implementation as a minimum support price. Experts say the 161 00:09:04,410 --> 00:09:07,830 protests are politically timed. Both the Indian and European 162 00:09:07,830 --> 00:09:09,840 Parliament elections are set for this spring. 163 00:09:10,200 --> 00:09:14,820 I think farmers unions are being politically savvy in some ways 164 00:09:14,820 --> 00:09:17,430 and trying to get their their issues on the top of the 165 00:09:17,430 --> 00:09:20,370 political agenda. Even though we think of them as kind of small 166 00:09:20,370 --> 00:09:22,920 scale farmers. They are pretty politically powerful. I 167 00:09:22,920 --> 00:09:25,620 Adam Curry: don't like that they pivot to India, all of a sudden, 168 00:09:26,280 --> 00:09:27,090 it's annoying. 169 00:09:29,070 --> 00:09:32,190 John C Dvorak: Well, India has fairly similar protests, but 170 00:09:32,190 --> 00:09:37,530 their protests are based on the different Yeah, they there's 171 00:09:37,530 --> 00:09:40,950 this based on the fact that they Modi has decided to because he's 172 00:09:41,010 --> 00:09:44,310 thinks of himself as a capitalist to pull the rug out 173 00:09:44,310 --> 00:09:48,570 from under the price fixing. Yeah, which has been a tradition 174 00:09:48,570 --> 00:09:50,010 there. And so that's 175 00:09:50,280 --> 00:09:53,970 Adam Curry: the same set not the same as climate policies, where 176 00:09:54,180 --> 00:09:57,630 you can't have as many cows and you can't use fertilizer. I like 177 00:09:57,630 --> 00:10:03,600 the you grain as a brand by the way y o u GRAINN. U grain 178 00:10:05,580 --> 00:10:08,310 John C Dvorak: like the dam is a brand Yeah, but I think no no 179 00:10:08,310 --> 00:10:10,680 grain from Ukraine has an interesting little problem 180 00:10:10,680 --> 00:10:13,440 they've got there too and yeah, it's a good slow because the 181 00:10:13,500 --> 00:10:18,090 Ukrainians would which is a huge producer of agricultural 182 00:10:18,090 --> 00:10:22,860 products. They're traditionally shipped the grain that they make 183 00:10:22,890 --> 00:10:26,760 to Africa. Yes, screw those because of the blockades and 184 00:10:26,760 --> 00:10:29,580 whatever the Russians are almost behind the whole thing, of 185 00:10:29,580 --> 00:10:34,200 course. It's fascinating. Anyways, next clip, and 186 00:10:34,200 --> 00:10:36,600 Unknown: ahead of the votes leader seem to be listening to 187 00:10:36,600 --> 00:10:39,780 the farmers, France scrapped a plan to end tax breaks for 188 00:10:39,780 --> 00:10:43,050 tractor diesel, and the EU abandoned a plan to reduce 189 00:10:43,050 --> 00:10:46,350 pesticide use, and postponed a deadline for farmers to leave 190 00:10:46,350 --> 00:10:50,670 some land fallow to improve biodiversity. Tyler also emitted 191 00:10:50,670 --> 00:10:53,700 farmers from recommendations fallow fallow 192 00:10:54,750 --> 00:10:57,480 John C Dvorak: delivered to rot Oh, it 193 00:10:57,480 --> 00:11:00,420 Unknown: also emitted farmers from a recommendation to reduce 194 00:11:00,420 --> 00:11:04,500 greenhouse gases by 90%. By 2040. Farmers 195 00:11:04,500 --> 00:11:10,140 need a worthwhile business case. For nature enhancing measures, 196 00:11:10,200 --> 00:11:12,990 perhaps we have not made that case convincingly 197 00:11:13,080 --> 00:11:15,150 Adam Curry: nature enhancing but 198 00:11:15,150 --> 00:11:17,880 Unknown: many stakeholders like some European moderates and 199 00:11:17,880 --> 00:11:20,910 environmentalists believe politicians are caving to 200 00:11:20,910 --> 00:11:24,150 farmers to prevent them from deepening alliances from farming 201 00:11:24,150 --> 00:11:27,930 their death, not their cause. And they know that agriculture 202 00:11:27,930 --> 00:11:31,290 is a major driver of climate change, accounting for more than 203 00:11:31,290 --> 00:11:34,200 10% of the EU's total greenhouse gases. 204 00:11:34,440 --> 00:11:38,220 I think an attack of the green agenda is seen as really an 205 00:11:38,220 --> 00:11:42,810 opportunity for right wing party Oh, there it is seen more seats 206 00:11:42,810 --> 00:11:46,740 in the parliament at the expense rectly parties. They see this as 207 00:11:46,770 --> 00:11:50,190 an opportunity to really mobilize on grievances to 208 00:11:50,190 --> 00:11:55,050 perhaps for with their own agenda around migration policies 209 00:11:55,080 --> 00:12:00,120 and other types of nativist ways that would resonate with some of 210 00:12:00,120 --> 00:12:01,530 EU farmers concerns. 211 00:12:01,770 --> 00:12:04,560 Adam Curry: These people are going to be so hungry, because 212 00:12:04,560 --> 00:12:07,650 you know, the summer of pork is coming lady the summer of 213 00:12:07,650 --> 00:12:09,060 Chinese poor looking. 214 00:12:09,420 --> 00:12:11,850 John C Dvorak: You're looking for the PVS screw up and go that 215 00:12:12,360 --> 00:12:13,830 was Yeah, no kidding. 216 00:12:15,180 --> 00:12:17,790 Adam Curry: Oh, yeah, right. It's right. Weighing Yes. Okay. 217 00:12:17,790 --> 00:12:18,060 We are 218 00:12:18,390 --> 00:12:20,010 John C Dvorak: starving to death. It's right wing 219 00:12:20,010 --> 00:12:21,060 conspiracy. Yeah. 220 00:12:21,090 --> 00:12:24,480 Adam Curry: Again, there's us people starving, you know, to 221 00:12:24,480 --> 00:12:29,640 promote migration. Okay, I got it. I got it. I think there's 222 00:12:29,640 --> 00:12:29,970 one. 223 00:12:30,990 --> 00:12:33,510 Unknown: But some experts say leaders must find ways to make 224 00:12:33,510 --> 00:12:36,450 the transition less burdensome for farmers and the entire 225 00:12:36,450 --> 00:12:38,520 system. They represent most 226 00:12:38,520 --> 00:12:42,600 of the world's followed by small farms, family farms, and they're 227 00:12:42,600 --> 00:12:46,440 the ones who don't have the depth of financial depth and the 228 00:12:46,440 --> 00:12:49,950 resources to really shoulder this burden in the way that 229 00:12:49,980 --> 00:12:53,310 they're being asked to. They are being asked to adjust to 230 00:12:53,310 --> 00:12:57,540 environmental regulations in a fast period of time. 231 00:12:57,810 --> 00:13:01,470 Chris Hagen Dorn is a professor of global food politics at coos 232 00:13:01,470 --> 00:13:03,210 po in Paris. This is where 233 00:13:03,210 --> 00:13:07,080 governments can step in and start spending money differently 234 00:13:07,290 --> 00:13:11,820 to address the costs not only to these farmers, but the cost that 235 00:13:11,820 --> 00:13:15,360 we're seeing from environmental damage, climate change, 236 00:13:15,930 --> 00:13:19,380 temperature increases, violent weather increases. After 237 00:13:19,380 --> 00:13:23,190 all, as the protesters sign say, without farmers there is no 238 00:13:23,190 --> 00:13:24,900 food. Yeah, 239 00:13:25,860 --> 00:13:27,990 Adam Curry: yeah, that's right. That's right. Without farmers 240 00:13:27,990 --> 00:13:31,500 there is no food but that just is just lip service. I don't 241 00:13:31,500 --> 00:13:36,960 care. Care when they get to get their food more of pork. Well, 242 00:13:36,960 --> 00:13:40,170 this kind of goes along with this breaking story, which we 243 00:13:40,170 --> 00:13:44,220 still have to figure out. Who is this a hit job on other than 244 00:13:44,220 --> 00:13:46,020 General Mills this morning. 245 00:13:46,080 --> 00:13:48,540 Unknown: A first of its kind study has discovered a little 246 00:13:48,540 --> 00:13:52,020 known pesticide is present in some common breakfast foods 247 00:13:52,110 --> 00:13:55,920 are quite itself as a chemical can be harmful if you're exposed 248 00:13:55,920 --> 00:13:56,940 to a large amount of it. 249 00:13:57,090 --> 00:13:59,670 A nonprofit called the Environmental Working Group 250 00:13:59,670 --> 00:14:03,570 studied quorum aquat. In the US, the chemical is only allowed on 251 00:14:03,570 --> 00:14:07,830 ornamental plants, but the EPA allows it to be used on imported 252 00:14:07,860 --> 00:14:12,270 oats and other food. The study found 90% of food items tested 253 00:14:12,300 --> 00:14:16,200 contained Cormac watt, including Quaker Oats and Cheerios, and 254 00:14:16,200 --> 00:14:19,740 most Americans in a small group tested positive for it. Obvious 255 00:14:19,740 --> 00:14:23,250 research on animals found the chemical can damage reproductive 256 00:14:23,250 --> 00:14:25,770 systems and disrupt fetal growth that 257 00:14:25,770 --> 00:14:28,620 gives us concern for how this chemical might also 258 00:14:29,790 --> 00:14:33,720 it's important to note it's not yet known how they affect 259 00:14:33,720 --> 00:14:37,230 humans, and doctors say with its relatively small sample size, 260 00:14:37,320 --> 00:14:40,170 this study should not cause any panic. So we 261 00:14:40,170 --> 00:14:43,740 do need to take this with a big asterisk that it's not 262 00:14:43,740 --> 00:14:47,070 necessarily generalizable to a large population, and we don't 263 00:14:47,070 --> 00:14:49,020 yet know what the implications are for humans. 264 00:14:49,050 --> 00:14:51,870 So what's the takeaway? Doctors say there's no need to 265 00:14:51,870 --> 00:14:55,140 drastically change your eating habits or to strictly buy 266 00:14:55,140 --> 00:14:56,070 organic 267 00:14:56,130 --> 00:14:59,670 organic foods by definition don't contain pesticides, but I 268 00:14:59,670 --> 00:15:02,370 don't want People out there to think that organic necessarily 269 00:15:02,370 --> 00:15:05,430 always means healthier and they have to do that or they're doing 270 00:15:05,550 --> 00:15:08,250 a disservice to their family. This guy should lay off the soy, 271 00:15:08,280 --> 00:15:12,330 you can still find nutritious foods that are not organic. It's 272 00:15:12,330 --> 00:15:15,150 just about knowing exactly what you're eating and making an 273 00:15:15,150 --> 00:15:17,160 individualized empowered choice. 274 00:15:17,520 --> 00:15:20,070 The group that conducted the study is asking the government 275 00:15:20,070 --> 00:15:23,280 to mandate more testing. Meanwhile, the food companies 276 00:15:23,280 --> 00:15:25,770 have insisted their products meet all regulatory 277 00:15:25,770 --> 00:15:26,670 requirements. 278 00:15:27,390 --> 00:15:29,160 Adam Curry: Now, this quorum aquat. 279 00:15:30,090 --> 00:15:33,660 John C Dvorak: Look what I mean. They also work with a chemical. 280 00:15:34,470 --> 00:15:35,100 Yeah, here we 281 00:15:35,100 --> 00:15:38,040 Adam Curry: go. No, I just want to love you. You got 282 00:15:39,420 --> 00:15:41,550 John C Dvorak: Chevron oil refinery, they there was a 283 00:15:41,550 --> 00:15:45,420 product they made called paraquat is used I think 284 00:15:45,420 --> 00:15:48,390 paraquat was used. I don't can't remember the details, but I 285 00:15:48,390 --> 00:15:51,120 think it was used everywhere. It's a fungus site. 286 00:15:51,150 --> 00:15:53,310 Adam Curry: Welcome to quiet talk. Maybe ladies and 287 00:15:53,310 --> 00:15:55,050 gentlemen. This has 288 00:15:55,050 --> 00:15:57,030 John C Dvorak: to be some sort of derivative of that. And it 289 00:15:57,030 --> 00:15:59,940 has to be some sort of a fungus. I'm guessing it's a fungus site 290 00:15:59,940 --> 00:16:03,360 of some sort. I have I have a fun guy from getting on the 291 00:16:03,390 --> 00:16:03,960 oats. 292 00:16:04,050 --> 00:16:06,570 Adam Curry: I have a follow up clip that kind of explains what 293 00:16:06,570 --> 00:16:08,520 it is. Don't you want to listen to that? 294 00:16:08,610 --> 00:16:11,730 Unknown: Yes, I would like he is research on pesticides has 295 00:16:11,730 --> 00:16:13,470 always been about letting people know 296 00:16:13,740 --> 00:16:16,230 Adam Curry: this is produced has got music. It's annoying. That 297 00:16:16,230 --> 00:16:18,810 means something's up that I personally think it's just to 298 00:16:18,810 --> 00:16:21,750 get us to use cricket flour, but we'll say ew G is 299 00:16:21,750 --> 00:16:24,630 Unknown: research on pesticides has always been about letting 300 00:16:24,630 --> 00:16:27,720 people know what they can be exposed to through the foods 301 00:16:27,720 --> 00:16:28,710 that they're eating. When 302 00:16:28,710 --> 00:16:32,250 I first heard my colleagues tell me they found a former clot in 303 00:16:32,250 --> 00:16:34,530 the foods that they had tested, I said what's Chloroquine? 304 00:16:40,830 --> 00:16:45,120 Chloroquine is a new chemical in the US food supply. It is used 305 00:16:45,120 --> 00:16:50,280 primarily on green crops like oats and we once we learn that 306 00:16:50,280 --> 00:16:54,510 the EPA had essentially started allowing Chloroquine on oat 307 00:16:54,510 --> 00:16:58,080 based products that were being imported into the US we decided 308 00:16:58,080 --> 00:16:58,980 to test them and 309 00:16:59,400 --> 00:17:01,680 Adam Curry: then they go on and on. This is produced It's a hit 310 00:17:01,680 --> 00:17:04,830 piece for some reason, but it's a new chemical. It's probably 311 00:17:04,830 --> 00:17:08,640 what the what the chemtrails are full Have you what else? What 312 00:17:08,640 --> 00:17:15,420 else is supposed to be used for? Was it for fancy plants? For 313 00:17:15,420 --> 00:17:19,260 decorative plants? Not on your food? But they specifically call 314 00:17:19,260 --> 00:17:22,410 out Quaker Oats and Cheerios, which I think are both General 315 00:17:22,410 --> 00:17:23,490 Mills products. 316 00:17:23,670 --> 00:17:24,360 John C Dvorak: Yes. 317 00:17:24,959 --> 00:17:28,529 Adam Curry: There's something up with that. Well, I don't like 318 00:17:28,560 --> 00:17:31,500 John C Dvorak: I still would like to know what the clip right 319 00:17:31,500 --> 00:17:34,350 overs on there. But they clipped in tell me what the what is for. 320 00:17:34,470 --> 00:17:34,590 And 321 00:17:34,590 --> 00:17:37,050 Unknown: we tested those products. We found Chloroquine 322 00:17:37,080 --> 00:17:41,940 in over 90% of those samples. That was samples like cereals, 323 00:17:41,970 --> 00:17:45,150 breakfast bars, snack bars, really common foods that people 324 00:17:45,150 --> 00:17:46,710 are eating every day, meet 325 00:17:46,710 --> 00:17:48,960 others us toxicologists looked at the chemistry of this 326 00:17:48,960 --> 00:17:50,850 particular chemical and were alarmed. 327 00:17:51,090 --> 00:17:53,760 Chloroquine causes really concerning health effects and 328 00:17:53,760 --> 00:17:57,390 animal studies. It harms the reproductive system, and it can 329 00:17:57,390 --> 00:18:01,530 disrupt fetal flow. That gives us concern for how this chemical 330 00:18:01,530 --> 00:18:03,090 might also impact human health. 331 00:18:03,150 --> 00:18:05,970 Adam Curry: Oh, maybe this is why we're not making baby again. 332 00:18:06,000 --> 00:18:06,870 Yeah, I know. I 333 00:18:06,870 --> 00:18:09,720 Unknown: know. Once we knew it was really important. 334 00:18:09,780 --> 00:18:10,980 Adam Curry: This was from 335 00:18:11,040 --> 00:18:13,500 John C Dvorak: the Chloroquine what when, where, why, what is 336 00:18:13,500 --> 00:18:14,580 it used for? 337 00:18:15,210 --> 00:18:16,650 Adam Curry: She said it in the beginning. 338 00:18:16,680 --> 00:18:20,010 Unknown: EWTN is research on pesticides has always been about 339 00:18:20,010 --> 00:18:21,840 letting people know what they can be. 340 00:18:23,160 --> 00:18:25,080 Found corm o'clock in the morning 341 00:18:25,080 --> 00:18:26,070 Adam Curry: somewhere it's set at home. 342 00:18:26,310 --> 00:18:29,070 Unknown: And in the food supply. The next question was our study 343 00:18:29,100 --> 00:18:33,180 is published and tested the urine of about to find a little 344 00:18:33,180 --> 00:18:33,990 bit of Chloroquine. 345 00:18:34,020 --> 00:18:36,840 Adam Curry: Chloroquine is used to kill people, if that's 346 00:18:36,840 --> 00:18:39,960 obvious. There's no other reason for it. We can have up 347 00:18:44,400 --> 00:18:47,220 John C Dvorak: for mcquoddy, that's a core my quiet Yeah, 348 00:18:47,220 --> 00:18:50,190 Adam Curry: with a que chlor Makau? Yes 349 00:18:50,220 --> 00:18:52,260 John C Dvorak: ch QA team 350 00:18:53,340 --> 00:18:57,570 Adam Curry: is an organic compound that is used as a plant 351 00:18:57,570 --> 00:19:01,800 growth regulator. Oh, it's hormone it's a hormone blocker. 352 00:19:02,940 --> 00:19:07,560 It's typically sold as the chloride salt chloride aquat 353 00:19:07,560 --> 00:19:13,050 chloride, a colorless hydro scopic Crystaline substance that 354 00:19:13,050 --> 00:19:17,880 is soluble in water and ethanol. It is an alkylating agent and a 355 00:19:18,060 --> 00:19:23,940 quaternary ammonium salt. So it can cause stem thickening 356 00:19:23,940 --> 00:19:27,780 reduced stem height additional root development plants dwarfing 357 00:19:28,470 --> 00:19:30,930 this this doesn't sound good. When 358 00:19:30,930 --> 00:19:33,030 John C Dvorak: did they use it? Again I'm asking what would 359 00:19:33,030 --> 00:19:36,450 whether they use it they using it to a plant growth regulator 360 00:19:36,450 --> 00:19:37,410 stronger here 361 00:19:37,410 --> 00:19:39,750 Adam Curry: it is. In the United States core mcquoddy is 362 00:19:39,750 --> 00:19:43,230 classified as a low risk plant growth regulator and is 363 00:19:43,230 --> 00:19:48,270 registered for use on ornamental plants grown in greenhouses 364 00:19:48,270 --> 00:19:52,950 nurseries and shade houses. It is not approved it says here in 365 00:19:52,950 --> 00:19:56,820 the Wikipedia for use on crops intended for animal or human 366 00:19:56,820 --> 00:20:02,340 consumption. Hmm Oh wait. In April 2023, the Biden 367 00:20:02,340 --> 00:20:05,430 administration's EPA proposed allowing the use of the chemical 368 00:20:05,430 --> 00:20:07,170 for the first time. You're 369 00:20:07,170 --> 00:20:09,270 John C Dvorak: talking to me about the this EPA that's 370 00:20:09,270 --> 00:20:12,030 supposed to be clamping down on everything and it's causing a 371 00:20:12,030 --> 00:20:14,970 bit of regulatory problems for the small farmers of the world. 372 00:20:15,600 --> 00:20:19,470 Correct. They let this slide. Yeah. Well, 373 00:20:19,470 --> 00:20:21,660 Adam Curry: I think this is not just letting it slide. This is 374 00:20:21,660 --> 00:20:26,130 intentional. A human side. This is genocide. This genocide Joe 375 00:20:26,130 --> 00:20:31,440 at work. Genocide, Joe? Yeah, he's trying to kill us. This 376 00:20:31,440 --> 00:20:34,980 doesn't sound good. Why would? Why would you even want this? I 377 00:20:34,980 --> 00:20:36,720 mean, it just makes your stem thick. 378 00:20:38,880 --> 00:20:42,300 John C Dvorak: Well, for wheat, where me guessing is blowing 379 00:20:42,300 --> 00:20:44,580 over because of the wind of the climate change. 380 00:20:45,960 --> 00:20:49,530 Adam Curry: Oh, in 2018, the Trump administration EPA loosens 381 00:20:49,530 --> 00:20:53,070 regulations to allow the importation of foods from 382 00:20:53,070 --> 00:20:57,600 countries that permit core aquat to be used on food crops. And in 383 00:20:57,600 --> 00:21:03,450 2020, that allowable amount was increased. Isn't that nice? 384 00:21:04,590 --> 00:21:06,540 John C Dvorak: Way, man, you're telling me where's this food 385 00:21:06,540 --> 00:21:10,320 coming? resists come to China, China. The EU is all uptight 386 00:21:10,320 --> 00:21:14,100 about using anything like this. This can't be EU policy. No, 387 00:21:14,130 --> 00:21:16,710 Adam Curry: no, I don't think so. I don't want to see if 388 00:21:16,710 --> 00:21:17,730 there's any Africa, 389 00:21:17,760 --> 00:21:21,630 John C Dvorak: South America, Mexico. I don't know. We're 390 00:21:21,630 --> 00:21:22,800 getting closer, but 391 00:21:22,800 --> 00:21:25,050 Adam Curry: I don't see why they need to use it at all. It 392 00:21:25,050 --> 00:21:26,850 doesn't seem like it doesn't make 393 00:21:26,850 --> 00:21:29,220 John C Dvorak: sense. It can lead you to have some very 394 00:21:29,220 --> 00:21:31,320 specific reasons. It's got to be a delivery can 395 00:21:31,320 --> 00:21:34,470 Adam Curry: cause stem thickening reduced stem height 396 00:21:34,500 --> 00:21:40,350 additional root development plant dwarfing and increase 397 00:21:40,800 --> 00:21:43,470 chloro chlorophyll concentration 398 00:21:46,770 --> 00:21:49,440 John C Dvorak: and your zero 30 State University. 399 00:21:49,740 --> 00:21:54,750 Adam Curry: This is bad. This is bad. You shouldn't be eating 400 00:21:54,750 --> 00:22:00,240 that stuff. Anyway. Cheerios. Cheerios don't eat Cheerios give 401 00:22:00,240 --> 00:22:07,350 your kid some bacon and eggs. Cheerios with some sugar hmm, 402 00:22:07,560 --> 00:22:11,370 gets started off right all jacked for school. Do you find 403 00:22:11,370 --> 00:22:12,240 anything or can we move 404 00:22:12,240 --> 00:22:14,940 John C Dvorak: on? No, I'm not gonna I don't have time to read 405 00:22:14,940 --> 00:22:17,640 through this whole paper but you Oregon State's done a whole 406 00:22:17,640 --> 00:22:21,870 thing on it the effects of plant growth regulator Clora clerk 407 00:22:21,960 --> 00:22:26,760 clerk chloroform a quorum aquat. chlor. Chloride only doesn't 408 00:22:27,060 --> 00:22:27,390 even 409 00:22:27,390 --> 00:22:31,200 Adam Curry: has a gasoline name. That's that's not great 410 00:22:31,200 --> 00:22:35,250 branding. We call it Boston. Chloride aquat. 411 00:22:36,660 --> 00:22:38,760 John C Dvorak: Get turned over the Big Pharma they'll come a 412 00:22:38,760 --> 00:22:39,810 Meeting adjourned. 413 00:22:42,750 --> 00:22:47,460 Adam Curry: All right, I'm gonna move on because blogger died 414 00:22:47,460 --> 00:22:49,200 suddenly big news. 415 00:22:50,100 --> 00:22:53,190 Unknown: Blogger and lawyer turned opposition politician and 416 00:22:53,250 --> 00:22:59,550 anti corruption campaigner. Alexei Navalny was a menace for 417 00:22:59,550 --> 00:23:02,670 the Kremlin who is not afraid to call President Putin out 418 00:23:02,700 --> 00:23:07,410 directly. a retrial in 2017 prevented him from running for 419 00:23:07,410 --> 00:23:11,850 office, this time for presidents against Vladimir Putin. That 420 00:23:11,850 --> 00:23:16,650 same year, he was attacked with a green antiseptic fluid that 421 00:23:16,650 --> 00:23:20,970 caused him damage in the vision of his right eye and temporarily 422 00:23:20,970 --> 00:23:25,950 dyed his skin green. In August 2020 423 00:23:27,480 --> 00:23:29,910 Adam Curry: better best net pop ever let's do that when 424 00:23:30,420 --> 00:23:37,530 Unknown: green August 2020, on a flight from Tomsk to Moscow, the 425 00:23:37,530 --> 00:23:41,580 valley fell seriously ill and emergency diversion by the 426 00:23:41,580 --> 00:23:45,390 plains pilot appears to have saved his life. Amid an 427 00:23:45,390 --> 00:23:49,470 international outcry, he was allowed to fly for treatments to 428 00:23:49,470 --> 00:23:52,680 Germany, where it was discovered he had been poisoned with 429 00:23:52,680 --> 00:23:57,720 novichok chemical nerve agents, but an assassination attempt and 430 00:23:57,720 --> 00:24:02,220 a medically induced coma didn't determine the value from taking 431 00:24:02,220 --> 00:24:05,490 his fight to a higher level who comes down to him. Whilst 432 00:24:05,490 --> 00:24:08,700 recovering in Germany. He conducted a sting operation 433 00:24:08,700 --> 00:24:12,990 against an FSB agent, convincing the operative to detail in a 434 00:24:12,990 --> 00:24:17,310 phone call how the novichok was used against him that was then 435 00:24:17,310 --> 00:24:21,000 broadcast on his YouTube channel. Shortly after, he 436 00:24:21,000 --> 00:24:24,300 released a video offering Russians and look at what his 437 00:24:24,300 --> 00:24:28,830 team called Putin's Palace, a mansion by the Black Sea, which 438 00:24:28,830 --> 00:24:31,770 is estimated to be worth more than a billion dollars. 439 00:24:32,010 --> 00:24:35,760 President Putin denied the palace belongs to him or his 440 00:24:35,760 --> 00:24:42,000 family members. On January 2021, the valley returned to Moscow 441 00:24:42,150 --> 00:24:45,840 after receiving life saving treatment in Germany. He was 442 00:24:45,840 --> 00:24:49,170 immediately arrested for violating probation terms 443 00:24:49,350 --> 00:24:54,240 imposed from a 2014 case sent to a penal colony where he went on 444 00:24:54,240 --> 00:24:55,140 hunger strike. 445 00:24:56,070 --> 00:24:59,430 Adam Curry: Okay, now we both have clips on this. The beauty 446 00:24:59,490 --> 00:25:02,910 of This particular event of course, if the guy is really 447 00:25:02,910 --> 00:25:06,090 dead there's still no actual confirmation from the family as 448 00:25:06,090 --> 00:25:10,710 of Showtime that is, in fact I have the clip for that. You just 449 00:25:10,710 --> 00:25:11,940 won't let me go okay, 450 00:25:11,970 --> 00:25:15,570 John C Dvorak: which clip is it? You're gonna go where not which 451 00:25:15,570 --> 00:25:16,950 Adam Curry: clip you go, we'll play it 452 00:25:18,240 --> 00:25:19,950 John C Dvorak: well good question 453 00:25:23,100 --> 00:25:24,900 Adam Curry: Okay, well you're looking that up so we still 454 00:25:24,900 --> 00:25:27,000 don't actually know that has happened but there's a few 455 00:25:27,000 --> 00:25:30,300 things that have started first of all, we've gone from died 456 00:25:30,300 --> 00:25:34,680 suddenly to drop dead suddenly. Now we don't want to confuse the 457 00:25:34,680 --> 00:25:38,430 people out there. So the M five M has decided instead of using 458 00:25:38,430 --> 00:25:43,950 the died suddenly which has been in the news for three years, 459 00:25:44,100 --> 00:25:48,060 people so and so died suddenly died suddenly, none of us with 460 00:25:48,060 --> 00:25:50,730 him, it's dropped dead suddenly. 461 00:25:51,120 --> 00:25:53,490 John C Dvorak: That well, you that died suddenly refers to 462 00:25:53,490 --> 00:25:55,470 vaxis. Well, and of course, 463 00:25:55,500 --> 00:25:59,280 Adam Curry: the since he looks so great, just a couple of days 464 00:25:59,280 --> 00:26:02,760 ago when he was doing some legal thing, which no one can explain 465 00:26:02,760 --> 00:26:07,500 either our show and he was walking outside, he went for a 466 00:26:07,500 --> 00:26:11,760 stroll in this horrible penal colony, which looks like a 467 00:26:11,760 --> 00:26:15,720 quaint little kind of Swiss chalet village. At least that's 468 00:26:15,720 --> 00:26:20,790 what they're showing on the on the news. So in this penal 469 00:26:20,790 --> 00:26:22,380 colony, you can just walk around 470 00:26:24,690 --> 00:26:26,820 John C Dvorak: the Vani PBS clip, okay, 471 00:26:27,120 --> 00:26:29,640 Unknown: there we go. Now that the mother of Russian opposition 472 00:26:29,640 --> 00:26:32,670 leader Alexei Navalny has been formally notified of her son's 473 00:26:32,670 --> 00:26:36,270 death, she's pressing for details of how the 47 year old 474 00:26:36,270 --> 00:26:39,930 died in a remote penal colony in the Arctic in hopes of seeing 475 00:26:39,930 --> 00:26:43,770 her son's body Liudmyla novel Nya and the volleys lawyer went 476 00:26:43,770 --> 00:26:46,650 to the morgue where she was told he had been taken. But once they 477 00:26:46,650 --> 00:26:49,920 got there, the facility was closed. She wants his remains 478 00:26:49,920 --> 00:26:53,130 handed over for Barry Okay. Russia says that won't happen 479 00:26:53,130 --> 00:26:56,430 until its investigation is over. There's no official cause of 480 00:26:56,430 --> 00:27:00,120 death. No volleys lawyer says he was murdered. In Moscow. Navalny 481 00:27:00,120 --> 00:27:03,900 supporters risked arrest to lay flowers at a memorial to him and 482 00:27:03,900 --> 00:27:07,890 a monument for victims of Soviet era purges since ordered to 483 00:27:07,890 --> 00:27:10,950 volleys death. Russian police have arrested more than 300 484 00:27:10,950 --> 00:27:13,050 people across the country. Now I want to 485 00:27:13,050 --> 00:27:15,390 Adam Curry: play a couple of clips first we'll start with the 486 00:27:15,390 --> 00:27:19,350 BBC. They always give us a fair and balanced account. Because 487 00:27:19,350 --> 00:27:23,130 what are the chances? Isn't it amazing? This happens right on 488 00:27:23,130 --> 00:27:25,920 day two of the Munich Security Conference. 489 00:27:25,950 --> 00:27:31,290 Unknown: Oh, the mood was absolutely electric. The news. 490 00:27:31,890 --> 00:27:32,220 Never 491 00:27:32,220 --> 00:27:35,280 Adam Curry: lose this. By the way. This Munich Security 492 00:27:35,280 --> 00:27:42,450 Conference is like the Oscars for war guys and gals. That I 493 00:27:42,450 --> 00:27:45,870 mean, they're there. They're all in their uniforms. They're in 494 00:27:45,870 --> 00:27:49,620 their Smithies, they got the limos they got the lights. The 495 00:27:49,620 --> 00:27:53,550 mood was electrifying. Oh, the mood on the red carpet. 496 00:27:54,600 --> 00:27:59,610 Unknown: Absolutely electric the news that Navalny was dead, just 497 00:27:59,610 --> 00:28:02,490 shocked, like a bolt of electricity through the Munich 498 00:28:02,490 --> 00:28:06,210 Security Conference. Just at that moment in the morning where 499 00:28:06,330 --> 00:28:09,780 the limousines were arriving. There was a hubbub at the Grand 500 00:28:09,780 --> 00:28:12,810 Hotel where the conference takes place was filling up with 501 00:28:12,810 --> 00:28:16,260 defense chiefs, top diplomats, presidents, and hookers. I'm 502 00:28:16,260 --> 00:28:19,290 indices kings, many of them old friends. And then all of a 503 00:28:19,290 --> 00:28:24,000 sudden this came out of the blue, blue. So many were 504 00:28:24,000 --> 00:28:27,150 reading. If they know Nepal knew they knew these are 505 00:28:27,150 --> 00:28:30,060 Adam Curry: people who send kids to war. They weren't reeling. 506 00:28:30,330 --> 00:28:32,190 They weren't really 507 00:28:33,090 --> 00:28:36,600 John C Dvorak: swoon. Oh my god, hold me before I pass out 508 00:28:36,600 --> 00:28:39,750 Unknown: in the comments of Radek Sikorski, many leaders had 509 00:28:39,750 --> 00:28:44,100 come to this conference already deeply worried about Russia's 510 00:28:44,220 --> 00:28:48,390 full scale invasion of Ukraine, worrying about Ukraine war and 511 00:28:48,390 --> 00:28:51,630 the need to keep supporting Ukrainian forces worry too, 512 00:28:51,630 --> 00:28:54,810 about the Gaza war. There were many dark clouds and then 513 00:28:54,810 --> 00:28:59,610 suddenly, this one came and blotted out everything else. 514 00:28:59,610 --> 00:29:02,100 Adam Curry: There were many dark clouds on the red carpet at the 515 00:29:02,100 --> 00:29:04,920 Grand Hotel of the Munich Security Conference, but this 516 00:29:04,920 --> 00:29:08,070 one came out and there was no sunshine available, 517 00:29:08,130 --> 00:29:11,040 Unknown: but to a person whether it was Jens Stoltenberg, the 518 00:29:11,040 --> 00:29:14,400 NATO Secretary General saying Russia has a lot of questions to 519 00:29:14,400 --> 00:29:17,070 answer. We went to see Lord Cameron, the British Foreign 520 00:29:17,070 --> 00:29:21,720 Secretary, blaming Vladimir Putin personally, but the moment 521 00:29:21,720 --> 00:29:26,640 which will go down in history Oh, which stunned the hall when 522 00:29:27,030 --> 00:29:30,450 Yulia navall Nee was known. She was at the conference somewhere 523 00:29:30,450 --> 00:29:32,400 when asked Where was she? What 524 00:29:32,400 --> 00:29:35,280 Adam Curry: a coincidence, his wife is there at the conference. 525 00:29:35,400 --> 00:29:39,150 I mean, of course, if you have a blogger who's in a penal colony, 526 00:29:39,420 --> 00:29:42,510 you want to have her at a war conference that makes 527 00:29:42,690 --> 00:29:45,360 John C Dvorak: what she was scrounging around at the by the 528 00:29:45,900 --> 00:29:51,330 up in the in the Urals, or wherever they held Siberia, they 529 00:29:51,360 --> 00:29:53,700 trying to get into the mortuary How'd she get over the 530 00:29:53,700 --> 00:29:55,260 conference so quick, she was 531 00:29:55,260 --> 00:29:58,170 Adam Curry: in the, in the speaker suite. And 532 00:29:58,200 --> 00:30:01,200 Unknown: Yulia Novotny was an own she was at the conference 533 00:30:01,200 --> 00:30:04,350 somewhere. And when asked Where was she, we saw his wife through 534 00:30:04,350 --> 00:30:08,400 the main door. And onto the not just the stage but a world 535 00:30:08,400 --> 00:30:14,370 stage. So calm, so composed at a million of the greatest please 536 00:30:14,370 --> 00:30:17,250 Adam Curry: don't say that up now. There's also an up so I 537 00:30:17,250 --> 00:30:19,950 what I love about the Munich Security Conference, everybody's 538 00:30:19,950 --> 00:30:24,030 there. Everybody's got something to say. So I have two, two 539 00:30:24,030 --> 00:30:29,310 clips. The first one is from former US commander Ben Hodges. 540 00:30:29,640 --> 00:30:31,800 And he kind of lays it all out. 541 00:30:32,310 --> 00:30:35,250 Unknown: What was the first thought that crossed your mind 542 00:30:35,250 --> 00:30:36,300 when you heard by the way, he's 543 00:30:36,300 --> 00:30:38,910 Adam Curry: like, This is dumb German television. I don't have 544 00:30:38,910 --> 00:30:41,820 to be careful what I say it's not like some podcasters in 545 00:30:41,820 --> 00:30:43,620 America are gonna pick it up today 546 00:30:43,650 --> 00:30:46,200 Unknown: about the wellness deaths. Thought about his 547 00:30:46,200 --> 00:30:52,890 wife. He has a family. And I was reminded that authoritarians are 548 00:30:52,890 --> 00:30:56,220 scared of their own people. That's why they lock up 549 00:30:56,670 --> 00:30:58,410 protesters opponents. 550 00:30:58,770 --> 00:31:00,210 Adam Curry: You mean like January 6, 551 00:31:00,510 --> 00:31:04,290 Unknown: and still the timing is suspicious that the news broke 552 00:31:05,070 --> 00:31:05,250 out. 553 00:31:05,370 --> 00:31:07,950 Adam Curry: Still the timing is suspicious. This is the Deutsche 554 00:31:07,950 --> 00:31:11,430 Avella lady. It's suspicious that this happened during the 555 00:31:11,430 --> 00:31:13,920 Munich Security Conference. Don't you think man 556 00:31:13,920 --> 00:31:17,850 Unknown: suspicious that the news broke today, shortly before 557 00:31:17,850 --> 00:31:21,900 the start of the security conference here in Munich? Is 558 00:31:21,900 --> 00:31:23,370 that Putin sending a message? 559 00:31:24,630 --> 00:31:28,590 Of course, I don't know. The I haven't seen the autopsy yet. 560 00:31:28,590 --> 00:31:34,260 And we don't know all the facts of his death. My assumption was, 561 00:31:34,260 --> 00:31:38,730 of course, this is a result of the poisoning that happened one 562 00:31:38,730 --> 00:31:42,390 or two years ago when he took the Pfizer vaccine, the 563 00:31:42,390 --> 00:31:45,540 treatment, terrible treatment and conditions in which he has 564 00:31:45,540 --> 00:31:49,740 been living. So what contributed to his death? I don't think it 565 00:31:49,740 --> 00:31:55,650 was like, today he was killed. I think today he died from 566 00:31:55,680 --> 00:32:00,450 treatment, or terrible treatment and poisoning. And today is when 567 00:32:00,450 --> 00:32:03,600 it happened. I don't know that it was the timing was planned 568 00:32:03,600 --> 00:32:03,990 that way. 569 00:32:04,140 --> 00:32:07,800 Adam Curry: Wrong answer. Wrong answer. General. Get out of 570 00:32:07,800 --> 00:32:11,250 here. You're no good. Let's go to Bill Browder. No one hates 571 00:32:11,250 --> 00:32:15,600 Putin more than Bill, Bill Browder, who got screwed out of 572 00:32:15,600 --> 00:32:18,990 money screwed out of the country. It gets screwed. And 573 00:32:18,990 --> 00:32:21,450 why is he at the Munich Security Conference? 574 00:32:21,570 --> 00:32:24,060 John C Dvorak: Why is anybody there? This whole thing is a 575 00:32:24,060 --> 00:32:26,280 joke. Right. But I have my own clip. 576 00:32:26,970 --> 00:32:28,560 Adam Curry: Let me play Browder is 577 00:32:28,560 --> 00:32:31,800 Unknown: you're also sending a message to the international 578 00:32:31,800 --> 00:32:34,710 community. You're at the Munich Security Conference, the 579 00:32:34,710 --> 00:32:38,010 Ukrainian president Volodymyr Zelensky yesterday implied that 580 00:32:38,550 --> 00:32:42,990 it's not an incident that Nirvana's death was announced. 581 00:32:43,410 --> 00:32:46,170 On the first day of the conference. Do you think Putin 582 00:32:46,170 --> 00:32:49,740 is sending a message to the community to? And if so, to what 583 00:32:49,740 --> 00:32:50,340 purpose? 584 00:32:50,850 --> 00:32:54,810 Well, it's not exactly clear what the timing is. But it is 585 00:32:54,810 --> 00:32:58,290 actually very coincidental that all of the major world leaders 586 00:32:58,290 --> 00:33:01,140 are here at the Munich Security Conference right now, at the 587 00:33:01,140 --> 00:33:05,160 moment that ALEXEI NAVALNY was murdered by Putin. And so, one 588 00:33:05,160 --> 00:33:09,690 one, the theory is that after the war started after Putin 589 00:33:09,690 --> 00:33:13,860 invaded Ukraine, the Munich Security Conference didn't allow 590 00:33:13,860 --> 00:33:17,310 Russian officials to come here anymore. And so this is a way 591 00:33:17,310 --> 00:33:21,210 for Putin to effectively troll the entire world, even though 592 00:33:21,210 --> 00:33:23,490 he's not here in person along with his 593 00:33:23,640 --> 00:33:26,670 Adam Curry: I know, I will call everybody I will live in their 594 00:33:26,670 --> 00:33:29,880 head and fee I bet Ken Ham entourage, 595 00:33:30,330 --> 00:33:33,240 Unknown: by killing Alexina balmy Putin is in the head of 596 00:33:33,240 --> 00:33:36,540 every single person at this conference. It is the weekend 597 00:33:36,540 --> 00:33:40,800 and so this is his way of saying you might be able to disinvite 598 00:33:40,800 --> 00:33:43,800 me, but I don't care. I'm still in your head. 599 00:33:43,830 --> 00:33:46,530 Adam Curry: Oh my god. He's so ruthless. Now. Before you play 600 00:33:46,530 --> 00:33:48,930 your clips, I have an observation and one more because 601 00:33:48,930 --> 00:33:51,540 Hillary Clinton was at the Munich Security Conference where 602 00:33:51,540 --> 00:33:56,940 she was. This is weird. They all have these. It looks like a 603 00:33:56,940 --> 00:34:00,540 Sheriff's Badge that they're wearing on their on their 604 00:34:00,540 --> 00:34:04,530 lapels. It's big. It's the size of a Sheriff's Badge. It has a 605 00:34:04,530 --> 00:34:08,790 star in the middle. It has Ukrainian and a US flag on it. 606 00:34:08,790 --> 00:34:12,360 It looks like they've all been deputized. It's the weirdest 607 00:34:12,360 --> 00:34:16,620 thing if you got a close up of it. It's literally like I am a 608 00:34:16,620 --> 00:34:21,570 deputy of sheriff's Alinsky. And of course Christiana Amanpour is 609 00:34:21,570 --> 00:34:24,150 there to talk to her but Hillary on the street 610 00:34:24,180 --> 00:34:26,430 Unknown: Secretary of State Hillary Clinton is joining me 611 00:34:26,550 --> 00:34:29,250 and you very quickly tweeted, Madam Secretary, thank you for 612 00:34:29,250 --> 00:34:34,740 being with us. On this day. Your condolences not only to his 613 00:34:34,740 --> 00:34:38,250 family and friends and yourself, but to the people of Russia. You 614 00:34:38,250 --> 00:34:39,960 are sending a message I 615 00:34:39,959 --> 00:34:45,989 was Christiane. You know, I've gotten to know Yvonne A's wife 616 00:34:45,989 --> 00:34:49,409 and daughter. I've gotten to work with a number of the people 617 00:34:49,439 --> 00:34:53,909 who have been around him exposing corruption, putting 618 00:34:53,909 --> 00:34:55,379 together an opposition. 619 00:34:55,770 --> 00:34:59,160 Adam Curry: Let's be honest, she has the record agenda to Putin 620 00:34:59,730 --> 00:34:59,970 and 621 00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:05,670 Unknown: And it was so tragic to hear that he's been killed. And 622 00:35:05,670 --> 00:35:08,760 there's no doubt in my mind. And I know President Biden just made 623 00:35:08,760 --> 00:35:12,210 a statement based on the intelligence available to our 624 00:35:12,210 --> 00:35:17,940 government, that his death is a result of Putin's brutality. And 625 00:35:17,970 --> 00:35:22,560 it is a tragedy for Russia, that someone who was willing to stand 626 00:35:22,560 --> 00:35:27,180 up and speak out and really represent a different future for 627 00:35:27,180 --> 00:35:31,920 Russia should be killed and and you probably have heard 628 00:35:32,190 --> 00:35:35,190 Adam Curry: that, wait a minute, what is it just, I want to hear 629 00:35:35,490 --> 00:35:35,850 out 630 00:35:36,180 --> 00:35:39,840 Unknown: and really represent a different future for Russia 631 00:35:40,560 --> 00:35:42,240 should be killed. 632 00:35:42,270 --> 00:35:44,340 Adam Curry: And now Now she's saying he was killed. 633 00:35:44,370 --> 00:35:47,790 Unknown: And you probably have heard that he was actually on 634 00:35:47,790 --> 00:35:52,020 video yesterday from the prison doing some kind of illegal 635 00:35:52,620 --> 00:35:57,480 appearance. He looked healthy. He was his usual kind of 636 00:35:57,480 --> 00:36:02,310 confident to joke cracking self. In fact, he or she, their wife 637 00:36:02,310 --> 00:36:05,640 and others who saw that video yesterday. Were quite reassured 638 00:36:06,420 --> 00:36:09,420 that he was okay. And then we get this terrible news today. 639 00:36:09,540 --> 00:36:12,330 Adam Curry: Yeah, this is all very, very sketchy. I don't even 640 00:36:12,330 --> 00:36:13,680 know if he's actually dead. 641 00:36:14,970 --> 00:36:17,010 John C Dvorak: Then we don't have we don't have to find his 642 00:36:17,010 --> 00:36:20,550 body. We don't have any proof. This is just as of yesterday. 643 00:36:20,580 --> 00:36:23,550 Adam Curry: It's just all hearsay as far as I'm concerned. 644 00:36:24,090 --> 00:36:27,030 It's a dark cloud over the Munich Security Conference. The 645 00:36:27,030 --> 00:36:30,840 hookers prices went down. No one was in the mood. 646 00:36:30,870 --> 00:36:32,520 John C Dvorak: That dark cloud me say went up. 647 00:36:33,030 --> 00:36:36,810 Adam Curry: No one was in the mood. No, no, no, no one was in 648 00:36:36,810 --> 00:36:38,820 the mood. All right, if you've got a couple clips. 649 00:36:39,540 --> 00:36:41,280 John C Dvorak: Yeah, I have a bunch of clips actually having 650 00:36:41,280 --> 00:36:43,980 this Munich thing. This but I want to start off with this 651 00:36:43,980 --> 00:36:49,320 screwball one, which is Uma Aberdeen is going to be at the 652 00:36:49,620 --> 00:36:53,070 meet up at the midnight that that was peculiar meetup. 653 00:36:53,370 --> 00:36:56,040 Adam Curry: The meetup. Yeah. Munich 654 00:36:56,040 --> 00:36:56,730 John C Dvorak: meetup. Have 655 00:36:56,730 --> 00:37:00,060 Adam Curry: you? Have you heard who she's dating? Yeah, she's 656 00:37:00,060 --> 00:37:01,890 John C Dvorak: dating. Soros, his kid. 657 00:37:01,920 --> 00:37:06,300 Adam Curry: The Soros kid can't believe. Yeah, I can. She gets 658 00:37:06,300 --> 00:37:06,990 around. 659 00:37:07,470 --> 00:37:14,070 John C Dvorak: She was on Morning mica, of course, talking 660 00:37:14,070 --> 00:37:16,830 about Biden, and they're all going on and on about how great 661 00:37:16,830 --> 00:37:20,220 Biden is that group of men and Jen was there. And I think she 662 00:37:20,220 --> 00:37:24,030 referred to Jen Psaki as Jen, Jen 663 00:37:24,060 --> 00:37:26,850 Adam Curry: at one point and Jen. Oh, man. 664 00:37:27,180 --> 00:37:29,820 John C Dvorak: I know. I wish I couldn't get that clip of me. 665 00:37:30,930 --> 00:37:34,050 Adam Curry: irksome I liked a Munich meetup. Like, oh, that's 666 00:37:34,860 --> 00:37:38,280 what it is. There's a show titled Munich meetup. Yes. Good. 667 00:37:38,790 --> 00:37:42,240 John C Dvorak: Before I play, Uma, I'll play that. We could 668 00:37:42,240 --> 00:37:44,940 play her but let's play this play. Because here's the top 669 00:37:44,940 --> 00:37:49,230 issue. According to NPR at the at the Munich, Munich NPR top 670 00:37:49,230 --> 00:37:50,580 issue. World leaders 671 00:37:50,580 --> 00:37:52,950 Unknown: and defense ministers are gathering in Germany for the 672 00:37:52,950 --> 00:37:56,070 Munich Security Conference, the high profile Summit is a chance 673 00:37:56,070 --> 00:37:59,280 to discuss pressing global security issues. And this year, 674 00:37:59,490 --> 00:38:02,760 the war in Ukraine and the United States relationship to it 675 00:38:02,760 --> 00:38:03,930 are top issues. 676 00:38:04,320 --> 00:38:07,470 John C Dvorak: Okay. Well, in that same report, you listen a 677 00:38:07,470 --> 00:38:10,920 little further. Here's the Munich what is the top issue? 678 00:38:11,520 --> 00:38:11,880 Topic 679 00:38:11,880 --> 00:38:14,250 Unknown: Munich Security Conference, the hostages taken 680 00:38:14,250 --> 00:38:18,240 by Hamas in early October after the attack southern Israel was 681 00:38:18,240 --> 00:38:22,020 the main topic, and it seems fair to get them out of Gaza. 682 00:38:23,280 --> 00:38:26,340 But Qatar is Prime Minister Sheikh Mohammed bin Abdul Rahman 683 00:38:26,340 --> 00:38:29,970 alfani, appeared cautious about the prospect of a new agreement 684 00:38:29,970 --> 00:38:33,660 between Israel and Hamas, saying while they've made good progress 685 00:38:33,660 --> 00:38:36,780 so far, it appears the talks have stalled between 686 00:38:36,780 --> 00:38:41,040 the two sides. The patent in the last few days are not really 687 00:38:42,570 --> 00:38:47,190 very promising. But as I always repeat, you know, we will always 688 00:38:47,190 --> 00:38:48,210 remain optimistic. 689 00:38:48,660 --> 00:38:51,900 The hostages had been held since early October. Okay, 690 00:38:51,900 --> 00:38:54,180 John C Dvorak: so wait, did the same report the top issues 691 00:38:54,180 --> 00:38:58,260 Ukraine, then the top issue is something else? And then would I 692 00:38:58,260 --> 00:39:02,160 think the top issue is because like you said, Everybody and 693 00:39:02,160 --> 00:39:06,060 their sisters showed up to this drinking club. It must have been 694 00:39:06,060 --> 00:39:10,170 Yeah, I think. I think Klaus Schwab should be taking the East 695 00:39:10,170 --> 00:39:12,960 there too, by the way, of course, of course, but he should 696 00:39:12,960 --> 00:39:13,950 be thinking about 697 00:39:14,430 --> 00:39:17,700 Adam Curry: Nancy Pelosi, he's there. Everybody's there. Yeah, 698 00:39:17,730 --> 00:39:20,190 John C Dvorak: but the top geeks are there to listen to this 699 00:39:20,220 --> 00:39:23,190 Unknown: major tech companies this week signed a pact to 700 00:39:23,190 --> 00:39:27,060 voluntarily adopt reasonable precautions to prevent 701 00:39:27,060 --> 00:39:30,750 artificial intelligence from disrupting democratic elections 702 00:39:30,750 --> 00:39:33,540 around the world. Tech executives from several 703 00:39:33,540 --> 00:39:37,050 companies including Amazon, Google met up Microsoft and tick 704 00:39:37,050 --> 00:39:40,200 tock gathered at the Munich security conference to announce 705 00:39:40,230 --> 00:39:44,460 a new voluntary framework for how they will respond to AI 706 00:39:44,460 --> 00:39:48,210 generated deep fakes that deliberately trick voters. It's 707 00:39:48,210 --> 00:39:51,840 largely symbolic, but it does target increasingly realistic AI 708 00:39:51,840 --> 00:39:55,680 generated images, audio and video that makes candidates say 709 00:39:55,680 --> 00:39:59,940 something they didn't or mislead about how to vote. Yeah. 710 00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:04,110 Adam Curry: Yeah, it's voluntary everybody don't worry. me while 711 00:40:04,110 --> 00:40:07,440 I'm getting me while we are two Golden Retrievers podcasting on 712 00:40:07,440 --> 00:40:08,790 a mountain. So 713 00:40:08,790 --> 00:40:13,080 John C Dvorak: I'm guessing that the reference has still eludes 714 00:40:13,080 --> 00:40:17,340 me obviously. So I'm guessing that everybody this is like was 715 00:40:17,340 --> 00:40:19,740 the end thing to go to this was like 716 00:40:19,800 --> 00:40:23,730 Adam Curry: this is this is the new new Davos, you had to go to 717 00:40:23,730 --> 00:40:25,980 John C Dvorak: this because just now I want you to listen to, 718 00:40:26,220 --> 00:40:29,940 they're talking about Joe Biden's old age and they ask a 719 00:40:29,940 --> 00:40:36,360 question of uma about his old age. And and this is a mica. And 720 00:40:36,360 --> 00:40:39,780 mica is saying, you know, it's great to be old, you got wisdom. 721 00:40:39,780 --> 00:40:43,080 And she did an interview with Jill who says, yeah, he's great 722 00:40:43,080 --> 00:40:46,140 is the best man, I mean, person for the job. She said that 723 00:40:46,140 --> 00:40:50,640 exactly. And it goes on and on. And so she throws us at Uma. And 724 00:40:50,640 --> 00:40:55,410 so in a form of I guess, virtue signaling about this event, you 725 00:40:55,410 --> 00:40:59,910 get to hear the following. So Huma, can it be? Can it be a 726 00:40:59,910 --> 00:41:01,980 positive factor? Well, Mika, 727 00:41:01,980 --> 00:41:04,290 Unknown: as I think you all know, I'm on my way to Munich 728 00:41:04,290 --> 00:41:07,440 for attend a security conference. And the 729 00:41:07,440 --> 00:41:12,450 conversations that, you know, came out after the Davos meeting 730 00:41:12,450 --> 00:41:15,300 a few weeks ago, the conversations people are having 731 00:41:15,330 --> 00:41:19,410 about what is going to happen in our country, is he you know, is 732 00:41:19,440 --> 00:41:22,620 to Gen Z, do you know, echoing again, Jen's point? Is he going 733 00:41:22,620 --> 00:41:26,070 to be our nominee? Could it be Trump, they're making these huge 734 00:41:26,070 --> 00:41:30,510 decisions about their own, you know, their own country's 735 00:41:30,540 --> 00:41:33,120 futures based on what they think is going to happen in our 736 00:41:33,120 --> 00:41:37,020 country. And in part because America, even though we are not 737 00:41:37,020 --> 00:41:40,320 the foremost sort of, you know, have the foremost diplomacy 738 00:41:40,350 --> 00:41:43,590 today, we had maybe a few decades ago, we are still seen 739 00:41:43,590 --> 00:41:47,070 as a leading partner on any global stage. And these are 740 00:41:47,070 --> 00:41:49,410 conversations we're talking about life and death and these 741 00:41:49,410 --> 00:41:52,980 crises and these conflicts, not just in Ukraine and the Middle 742 00:41:52,980 --> 00:41:57,000 East, but really throughout the world. But those two are for at 743 00:41:57,000 --> 00:41:59,820 the forefront of people's minds. And so many of these 744 00:41:59,820 --> 00:42:02,340 relationships are based on trust Hold on. 745 00:42:03,480 --> 00:42:05,580 Adam Curry: Like your relationship with Carlos Danger. 746 00:42:06,600 --> 00:42:10,950 So she was wife of Anthony wiener she was at it may be 747 00:42:10,950 --> 00:42:16,530 still be Hillary Clinton's body man as it's described. And now 748 00:42:16,530 --> 00:42:20,940 she's talking about policy and she's and she's at the Munich 749 00:42:20,940 --> 00:42:24,870 Conference and she's on MSNBC going on and on about but but 750 00:42:24,870 --> 00:42:26,100 the, I mean, these 751 00:42:26,100 --> 00:42:28,980 John C Dvorak: Clintons they, this is unbelievable, or what 752 00:42:28,980 --> 00:42:29,160 yeah, 753 00:42:29,190 --> 00:42:32,310 Adam Curry: they the Clintons have clearly sent their girl uma 754 00:42:34,170 --> 00:42:39,000 side up to the to the sorrows of fortune with Alex, who was 755 00:42:39,000 --> 00:42:43,890 probably he's probably dumb. He's probably unaware that his 756 00:42:43,890 --> 00:42:47,040 life hangs by a thread of 757 00:42:48,270 --> 00:42:49,500 John C Dvorak: hooking up with the Clintons. 758 00:42:49,530 --> 00:42:53,940 Adam Curry: I mean, he does not know what he's getting. I put 759 00:42:53,940 --> 00:42:57,660 him on the list. This is very this is very dangerous. Alex 760 00:42:57,660 --> 00:43:01,740 Soros, this is not a good thing. So that's what he that's what he 761 00:43:01,740 --> 00:43:02,160 wants. 762 00:43:02,190 --> 00:43:04,110 John C Dvorak: Yes, she's fooling around talking about 763 00:43:04,110 --> 00:43:06,960 policy. Now. She was just basically a gopher, she's like, 764 00:43:06,960 --> 00:43:07,170 Hey, 765 00:43:07,170 --> 00:43:11,250 Adam Curry: if you see my spread in vogue, then Hey, baby be my 766 00:43:11,250 --> 00:43:13,140 valentine. So 767 00:43:13,860 --> 00:43:16,470 John C Dvorak: just as an aside, I have another clip of her 768 00:43:17,430 --> 00:43:23,070 talking about this. I've never heard this is the other uma clip 769 00:43:23,070 --> 00:43:26,610 from the from the conference mica morning show. 770 00:43:28,320 --> 00:43:30,330 Adam Curry: I play it or not? Yeah, I 771 00:43:30,330 --> 00:43:31,830 John C Dvorak: play it. But I wanted to just set it up a 772 00:43:31,830 --> 00:43:37,590 little bit. It this is something that supposedly explains why 773 00:43:37,830 --> 00:43:41,190 Biden has this, you know, he has an awkward gait of an old 774 00:43:41,190 --> 00:43:45,330 drunkard that is pretty much suffering from dementia. But no, 775 00:43:45,330 --> 00:43:46,800 no, that's not it at all. 776 00:43:47,370 --> 00:43:49,980 Unknown: By then went up and said, You know, I stutter and 777 00:43:50,040 --> 00:43:53,130 and this is my experience in life. And this is what the 778 00:43:53,130 --> 00:43:55,590 President does, too. And I wasn't reminded or I'd 779 00:43:55,590 --> 00:43:59,190 forgotten, and I pay attention. By the way I watch your shows, I 780 00:43:59,190 --> 00:44:02,340 had forgotten that the President had hurt his foot when he was 781 00:44:02,340 --> 00:44:05,280 president elect. And that that's, you know, one of the 782 00:44:05,280 --> 00:44:10,080 reasons why it's you know, he has an issue of sometimes with 783 00:44:10,080 --> 00:44:13,710 that with that foot I completely forgotten and so I think being 784 00:44:13,710 --> 00:44:17,070 transparent is really important. In this day and age, you can be 785 00:44:17,070 --> 00:44:20,130 coy and sort of be a virgin walking into spacing. I don't 786 00:44:20,130 --> 00:44:22,320 know and let's get to the election day. 787 00:44:22,650 --> 00:44:27,270 Adam Curry: You have to Oh, okay, so, two things about this 788 00:44:27,270 --> 00:44:31,620 clip one bull crap, too. She mentions his stutter. 789 00:44:32,370 --> 00:44:36,420 Coincidence in our show is unbelievable. John, I didn't 790 00:44:36,420 --> 00:44:39,690 know you were bringing this clip. Dave Jones has been 791 00:44:39,690 --> 00:44:42,570 helping me we need to restore some old clips from the archive 792 00:44:42,570 --> 00:44:46,740 we moved servers and so clips from like before Episode 500 or 793 00:44:46,740 --> 00:44:52,920 so we're, we're resulting 404 So he is working on this. He says 794 00:44:52,920 --> 00:44:58,080 hey, man, so I've restored these clips. Listen to Biden from 2014 795 00:44:58,230 --> 00:45:00,090 The big stutterer I 796 00:45:00,090 --> 00:45:02,400 Unknown: aspire for one of my grandchildren become wealthy. So 797 00:45:02,400 --> 00:45:04,560 when they put me in a home, I get a window with a view, you 798 00:45:04,560 --> 00:45:12,540 know, I mean, right now. As I, as I pointed out, it was 799 00:45:12,540 --> 00:45:18,990 embarrassing. Bernie Sanders net worth is more than mine. I have 800 00:45:18,990 --> 00:45:21,120 less money than a socialist. I don't know what the hell 801 00:45:21,120 --> 00:45:21,510 happened. 802 00:45:22,140 --> 00:45:26,100 Adam Curry: That's Biden only 10 years ago. That does not in any 803 00:45:26,100 --> 00:45:30,840 way a resemble the man we hear today be No, he has no stutter. 804 00:45:30,930 --> 00:45:37,680 There's no stutter. No, no, I'm just saying this. No stutter. 805 00:45:37,710 --> 00:45:41,040 John C Dvorak: That's a bold crap. This is just 40 he walks 806 00:45:41,040 --> 00:45:44,580 funny because he had an I kinda remember when he had his boot. 807 00:45:45,120 --> 00:45:45,360 Boot. 808 00:45:45,360 --> 00:45:48,480 Adam Curry: Yeah, that just because he had because Trump put 809 00:45:48,480 --> 00:45:54,180 him in an ankle monitor on him. If I recall correctly, 810 00:45:54,990 --> 00:45:57,360 John C Dvorak: I recall and that's the reason he walks 811 00:45:57,360 --> 00:45:58,080 funny. There were 812 00:45:58,080 --> 00:46:00,090 Adam Curry: a whole bunch of people who had boots on a time, 813 00:46:00,090 --> 00:46:02,760 don't you remember? Like that was a thing like, Oh, someone's 814 00:46:02,760 --> 00:46:06,870 got to boot that means they got the ankle monitor. Yes, this was 815 00:46:06,870 --> 00:46:14,100 the thing. I'm sure of it. I'm sure of it. The so we know what 816 00:46:14,100 --> 00:46:17,700 the bricks are? Of course, Brazil, Russia, India, China, 817 00:46:17,820 --> 00:46:21,150 South America. Now Egypt, Saudi Arabia. Everyone's in with the 818 00:46:21,150 --> 00:46:24,270 brake. Everybody's getting in on the act. So Deutsche Avella 819 00:46:24,270 --> 00:46:27,060 thinks oh, you know, I'll ask the Indian government what they 820 00:46:27,060 --> 00:46:28,770 think about Laval D. 821 00:46:28,800 --> 00:46:32,550 Unknown: So David Shudehill is national spokesman for the 822 00:46:32,580 --> 00:46:36,120 governing party in India, the BJP. That's the party, of course 823 00:46:36,120 --> 00:46:39,090 of Prime Minister Narendra Modi. Thanks very much for taking time 824 00:46:39,090 --> 00:46:41,580 here at the Munich Security Conference. David Shergill. 825 00:46:41,760 --> 00:46:44,370 Let's talk about first of all the news that has really been 826 00:46:44,370 --> 00:46:49,350 shaking the event here today, the death of Alexei Navalny, the 827 00:46:49,350 --> 00:46:53,880 Russian opposition leader. India has maintained good relations 828 00:46:53,880 --> 00:46:57,750 with Russia for decades and also through the war over the last 829 00:46:57,750 --> 00:47:01,710 couple of years. When something like this happens, what goes 830 00:47:01,710 --> 00:47:04,440 through your mind and what goes through the kind of calculations 831 00:47:04,440 --> 00:47:07,500 in Delhi is this really a country Russia? Do you want to 832 00:47:07,500 --> 00:47:09,690 be doing business with? Russia? 833 00:47:09,690 --> 00:47:14,100 I will retreat or India Stan, Russia was is and will remain 834 00:47:14,100 --> 00:47:15,960 India's strong friend and ally. 835 00:47:19,800 --> 00:47:23,010 Adam Curry: He's our friend our ally. I don't care what you say 836 00:47:23,010 --> 00:47:28,050 Deutsche Avella? Of course not. Of course not. Of course. There 837 00:47:28,050 --> 00:47:31,170 was some actual business going on though. There's some red 838 00:47:31,890 --> 00:47:33,450 Yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, 839 00:47:33,450 --> 00:47:36,060 Unknown: here it is. NATO Defence Ministers have put talk 840 00:47:36,060 --> 00:47:39,240 of a rift between the US and Europe are behind them. 841 00:47:39,270 --> 00:47:42,840 Following a two day meeting in Brussels. The Alliance hailed 842 00:47:42,840 --> 00:47:46,440 the increase in defense budgets, which will see European members 843 00:47:46,890 --> 00:47:52,230 an extra $33 billion this year. The Alliance money is continued 844 00:47:52,230 --> 00:47:53,310 backing for Ukraine. 845 00:47:54,060 --> 00:47:56,670 running short on the battlefield. NATO Defence 846 00:47:56,670 --> 00:48:00,660 Ministers stressed more needs to be done to ensure that Ukraine 847 00:48:00,660 --> 00:48:02,640 has the supplies it needs. We 848 00:48:02,640 --> 00:48:05,670 also discussed ramping up production of ammunition to 849 00:48:05,670 --> 00:48:09,870 refill our stocks and continue to support Ukraine wait for it. 850 00:48:09,900 --> 00:48:14,070 We need to shift from the slow pace of peacetime to the high 851 00:48:14,070 --> 00:48:17,490 tempo production demanded by come shift NATO 852 00:48:17,490 --> 00:48:21,180 said it was set up a training center with Ukraine and Poland 853 00:48:21,210 --> 00:48:25,320 to share intelligence on fighting the Russian arm. A 854 00:48:25,320 --> 00:48:29,280 group of member states also wants to send 1 million drones 855 00:48:29,280 --> 00:48:33,060 to Ukraine and other allies want to help clear minds in the war 856 00:48:33,060 --> 00:48:33,840 torn country. 857 00:48:35,040 --> 00:48:42,960 Adam Curry: Yeah, maybe 1 million 1 million drones 1 858 00:48:42,960 --> 00:48:48,000 million drums Yeah, that doesn't sound fun. Now but this is $33 859 00:48:48,000 --> 00:48:52,710 million and 1 million drones. billion billion. I mean, come 860 00:48:52,710 --> 00:48:58,200 on. start shoving in our face will Yeah. We got it. We 861 00:48:58,200 --> 00:49:03,450 understand that throw humor out there. I have Richard angle 862 00:49:03,450 --> 00:49:05,220 report. If you want that. 863 00:49:05,940 --> 00:49:08,820 John C Dvorak: As we haven't heard any. Get the actual CIA 864 00:49:08,820 --> 00:49:09,360 report. 865 00:49:09,720 --> 00:49:11,760 Adam Curry: Book angle from Richard angle NBC. 866 00:49:13,170 --> 00:49:16,860 Unknown: 47 year old ALEXEI NAVALNY was looking healthy, 867 00:49:17,010 --> 00:49:21,240 joking with a judge via video link from his Arctic prison just 868 00:49:21,240 --> 00:49:25,080 two days ago. navall Knees mother saw him Monday and said 869 00:49:25,080 --> 00:49:29,280 he was in good spirits. Yet somehow Alexei Navalny, Russian 870 00:49:29,280 --> 00:49:32,550 President Vladimir Putin's fiercest and most energetic 871 00:49:32,550 --> 00:49:35,310 critic drop dead suddenly there'd 872 00:49:36,810 --> 00:49:39,510 Adam Curry: catch your talking points everybody dropped dead 873 00:49:39,510 --> 00:49:40,410 suddenly 874 00:49:40,470 --> 00:49:44,160 Unknown: at a penal colony in Siberia. Prison officials say 875 00:49:44,250 --> 00:49:48,540 Navalny went for a walk but felt unwell and quickly lost 876 00:49:48,540 --> 00:49:51,570 consciousness. They said medics could not provide them. 877 00:49:51,960 --> 00:49:54,570 President Biden blamed President Putin 878 00:49:54,870 --> 00:49:58,770 Make no mistake. Putin is responsible for Nevada and he's 879 00:49:58,770 --> 00:49:59,190 dead 880 00:49:59,250 --> 00:49:59,970 Adam Curry: make no money. 881 00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:03,180 Unknown: Go supporters laid flowers. Volley. What 882 00:50:05,100 --> 00:50:07,680 John C Dvorak: do you think is maybe? I don't know, maybe it's 883 00:50:07,680 --> 00:50:12,390 just me by being cautious, irresponsible to make these 884 00:50:12,390 --> 00:50:15,960 sorts of claims when you actually have no evidence. Make 885 00:50:15,960 --> 00:50:19,110 Adam Curry: no mistake. You're making a mistake by saying that. 886 00:50:20,070 --> 00:50:23,760 Make no mistake, Putin is responsible. Make 887 00:50:23,760 --> 00:50:27,360 Unknown: no mistake. Putin is responsible for the volunteers 888 00:50:27,360 --> 00:50:27,780 dead 889 00:50:28,140 --> 00:50:32,700 in Moscow supporters laid flowers to get a warning from 890 00:50:32,700 --> 00:50:34,140 the state prosecutor. Sorry, 891 00:50:34,230 --> 00:50:34,710 Adam Curry: yes. 892 00:50:34,740 --> 00:50:37,230 John C Dvorak: What kind of diplomat is this guy? 893 00:50:37,680 --> 00:50:38,730 Adam Curry: He's Joe Biden. 894 00:50:39,150 --> 00:50:41,790 John C Dvorak: We're doing a war with Ukraine that we'd like to 895 00:50:41,790 --> 00:50:43,860 get out of, I think. 896 00:50:47,610 --> 00:50:49,410 Adam Curry: Uh huh. Okay. Yeah. 897 00:50:49,410 --> 00:50:52,110 John C Dvorak: So you want to do what you what's called 898 00:50:52,110 --> 00:50:56,580 diplomacy, which is a well known phenomenon that is used by 899 00:50:56,640 --> 00:51:00,300 politicians to get out of things you don't want to continue to 900 00:51:00,300 --> 00:51:03,840 do? Unless you just want to squander the nation's wealth 901 00:51:03,840 --> 00:51:04,290 away. 902 00:51:04,320 --> 00:51:06,480 Adam Curry: Are you being sarcastic no 903 00:51:06,480 --> 00:51:08,610 John C Dvorak: mistake, he wants to squander our money. 904 00:51:09,360 --> 00:51:10,950 Adam Curry: Did you just get off the hayride? 905 00:51:12,330 --> 00:51:16,170 John C Dvorak: Yes, I did. Okay. I gotta hit you up. My ass 906 00:51:17,040 --> 00:51:19,260 Unknown: is responsible for the volunteers dead. 907 00:51:19,560 --> 00:51:22,890 In Moscow supporters laid flowers to honor and Avallone 908 00:51:22,950 --> 00:51:26,460 despite a warning from the state prosecutor that protests would 909 00:51:26,460 --> 00:51:30,300 not be allowed when a woman tried to unfurl a sign that she 910 00:51:30,300 --> 00:51:31,830 was taken away by authorities. 911 00:51:32,460 --> 00:51:33,780 Adam Curry: No, I didn't they have been he has some 912 00:51:33,780 --> 00:51:36,570 background. Might as well do that. It's not that long. 913 00:51:38,490 --> 00:51:41,610 Unknown: Not only started out as an anti corruption blogger, a 914 00:51:41,610 --> 00:51:44,820 blogger exposing on his YouTube show. He started 915 00:51:44,820 --> 00:51:47,520 Adam Curry: out as a blogger. Remember those days of blogs? 916 00:51:47,520 --> 00:51:49,170 John? Yeah, I 917 00:51:49,170 --> 00:51:50,220 John C Dvorak: used to be a blogger. 918 00:51:50,250 --> 00:51:54,090 Adam Curry: Yeah, we used to blog divorce, blah, blah, blah, 919 00:51:54,120 --> 00:51:57,570 Unknown: exposing on his YouTube show the lavish lifestyles in 920 00:51:57,570 --> 00:51:59,700 YouTube show joy by Putin. No, I 921 00:51:59,700 --> 00:52:00,540 John C Dvorak: didn't know that. 922 00:52:01,920 --> 00:52:03,870 Adam Curry: That's what he's most known for. This is what's 923 00:52:03,870 --> 00:52:07,320 so crazy is like he was the staunchest opponent, he's a 924 00:52:07,320 --> 00:52:08,160 blogger. 925 00:52:09,390 --> 00:52:12,570 Unknown: Navalny was a central figure in massive protests 926 00:52:12,570 --> 00:52:18,480 against Putin in 2012. He was jailed and harassed and attacked 927 00:52:18,480 --> 00:52:24,120 with a green dye that damaged his right eye. In 2020. While on 928 00:52:24,120 --> 00:52:25,140 a flight in Moscow 929 00:52:27,180 --> 00:52:29,100 suddenly fell ill the net pops, 930 00:52:29,130 --> 00:52:32,910 he was poisoned by a nerve agent and flown to Germany to recover. 931 00:52:33,420 --> 00:52:36,210 He blamed Putin for the assassination attempt. The 932 00:52:36,210 --> 00:52:40,050 Kremlin denied responsibility. And then came the most 933 00:52:40,050 --> 00:52:43,950 consequential decision of his life, not only returned to 934 00:52:43,950 --> 00:52:47,070 Russia, after recovering from his posting, not only 935 00:52:47,100 --> 00:52:51,030 deliberately put his life on the line and his principles First 936 00:52:51,210 --> 00:52:55,140 until his death, which isn't confirmed by his family, but who 937 00:52:55,140 --> 00:52:56,280 don't seem to doubt it. 938 00:52:56,880 --> 00:53:00,990 Adam Curry: And then finally, we have his wife in Munich, at the 939 00:53:00,990 --> 00:53:01,950 potty and of 940 00:53:01,950 --> 00:53:05,190 Unknown: all knees wife, Yulia in Munich called for President 941 00:53:05,190 --> 00:53:09,240 Putin to be punished. Only splitsies we should come 942 00:53:09,240 --> 00:53:14,790 together and fight against this evil she said in 2021, President 943 00:53:14,790 --> 00:53:18,150 Biden warned Putin of devastating consequences if 944 00:53:18,150 --> 00:53:21,780 anything happened to Navalny in Russian custody. Peter pressing 945 00:53:21,780 --> 00:53:22,980 him on that on Friday. 946 00:53:23,070 --> 00:53:26,580 What consequences should he add Russia face that 947 00:53:26,580 --> 00:53:28,890 was three years ago. In the meantime, they faced a hell of a 948 00:53:28,890 --> 00:53:31,470 lot of consequences and we're contemplating what else could be 949 00:53:31,470 --> 00:53:33,420 done. More war talk. 950 00:53:34,950 --> 00:53:36,660 John C Dvorak: So I have a Siri. I just have a little 951 00:53:36,660 --> 00:53:40,830 backgrounder clip I want to play this is the soft Russian Mr. Is 952 00:53:40,860 --> 00:53:44,880 Sora sort of this is sort for, but this from PBS This is a 953 00:53:44,910 --> 00:53:48,450 short, short, short Russian mysterious deaths. 954 00:53:48,570 --> 00:53:49,800 Unknown: I think, you know, there are some incidents 955 00:53:49,800 --> 00:53:53,310 straight out of a spy novel, for example, Sergei skripal. He was 956 00:53:53,310 --> 00:53:56,700 an ex Russian spy who was convicted of working for British 957 00:53:56,700 --> 00:53:59,700 intelligence and he and his daughter were found collapsed on 958 00:53:59,700 --> 00:54:03,090 a bench in the UK after being injected with Nova Chuck. 959 00:54:03,330 --> 00:54:07,890 Another spy who ran afoul of Putin, Alexander Litvinenko died 960 00:54:07,890 --> 00:54:10,950 from a radioactive substance called polonium, and that was 961 00:54:10,950 --> 00:54:14,460 after having tea with two Russian agents in London, Boris 962 00:54:14,460 --> 00:54:18,300 nimsoft and opposition figure. He was shot as well as 963 00:54:18,300 --> 00:54:22,530 investigative journalist Anna Politkovskaya, an oil tycoon 964 00:54:22,530 --> 00:54:25,230 named reveal Maga NOF, who called for the end to the 965 00:54:25,230 --> 00:54:28,350 invasion of Ukraine. He fell to his death from a sixth floor 966 00:54:28,350 --> 00:54:31,830 window of a Moscow hospital. And then last year, you've got a 967 00:54:31,830 --> 00:54:35,460 precaution who was the head of the Wagner mercenary group. He 968 00:54:35,460 --> 00:54:38,730 died when the plane he was flying in exploded in midair 969 00:54:38,730 --> 00:54:42,090 after it left Moscow. You know, that was shortly after Prigogine 970 00:54:42,090 --> 00:54:45,450 spearheaded an uprising challenging Putin's handling of 971 00:54:45,450 --> 00:54:49,140 the Ukraine war. And Camilla The list goes on and on. Now I 972 00:54:49,140 --> 00:54:52,530 Adam Curry: counted eight, eight killings against the Clinton 973 00:54:52,530 --> 00:54:55,410 body count. You're just getting started, man. Oh, 974 00:54:55,410 --> 00:54:58,770 John C Dvorak: it's just a baby. We don't have any. Do we know 975 00:54:58,770 --> 00:55:03,150 that? This is not Fs bees doing just from the get go, and then 976 00:55:03,150 --> 00:55:05,580 Putin just gave them to go ahead and maybe they do whatever they 977 00:55:05,580 --> 00:55:07,950 want, they kill these guys left and right. Well listen, why 978 00:55:07,950 --> 00:55:11,670 don't we the CIA does this sort of thing and it doesn't get 979 00:55:11,670 --> 00:55:14,520 blamed on the president necessarily No, 980 00:55:14,910 --> 00:55:16,200 Adam Curry: CIA kills people. 981 00:55:16,950 --> 00:55:18,600 John C Dvorak: I've heard that I could be wrong. 982 00:55:19,830 --> 00:55:21,720 Adam Curry: There's another blogger, we should probably talk 983 00:55:21,720 --> 00:55:22,230 about this 984 00:55:22,230 --> 00:55:25,050 John C Dvorak: does kind of expose the United States in, in 985 00:55:25,110 --> 00:55:29,910 particular in the West in general, to an expanding problem 986 00:55:29,910 --> 00:55:32,670 that most of the rest of the non western world sees, and that's 987 00:55:32,670 --> 00:55:36,690 this double standard, because while we excrete Putin for doing 988 00:55:36,690 --> 00:55:40,020 what he did to not only and I agree that that shouldn't have 989 00:55:40,020 --> 00:55:43,620 been done to him, novelty, by all accounts, is a great guy a 990 00:55:43,620 --> 00:55:47,460 truth teller, and was trying to expose the regime you meet him, 991 00:55:47,460 --> 00:55:50,670 you have the US doing almost the identical thing to Julian 992 00:55:50,670 --> 00:55:55,050 Assange, who is also in a high security prison in the UK, 993 00:55:55,140 --> 00:55:58,740 awaiting extradition to the US. And nobody wants to let him have 994 00:55:58,740 --> 00:56:01,980 a voice to do anything, either. And so the of the rest of the 995 00:56:01,980 --> 00:56:04,530 world sees that now, we'll tell ourselves, oh, well, that's 996 00:56:04,530 --> 00:56:06,990 different because and fill in the blank. But to most of the 997 00:56:06,990 --> 00:56:10,200 world, you see a political figure that the Russians in the 998 00:56:10,200 --> 00:56:13,020 United States don't like, and they're silencing them in jail. 999 00:56:13,080 --> 00:56:16,620 So to them, it's the same thing, which means our comments here on 1000 00:56:16,620 --> 00:56:19,620 Russia are gonna fall on deaf ears in a lot of places. Yeah, 1001 00:56:19,710 --> 00:56:22,290 there you go. So let's just don't forget did like you said 1002 00:56:22,290 --> 00:56:25,140 earlier the January 6 detainees? 1003 00:56:25,170 --> 00:56:27,090 Adam Curry: Oh, there was something hilarious. Hold on a 1004 00:56:27,090 --> 00:56:34,380 second. So Nancy Pelosi is is there, obviously. And she does 1005 00:56:34,380 --> 00:56:38,880 an interview on I think it's called conflict zone, conflict 1006 00:56:38,880 --> 00:56:45,180 zone. And so it's it's about Ukraine, obviously, and listen 1007 00:56:45,180 --> 00:56:48,060 to her what her head is actually filled with. 1008 00:56:48,540 --> 00:56:49,770 Unknown: But there are levers that 1009 00:56:51,420 --> 00:56:54,240 Adam Curry: actually I wanted to play these two in, in sequence. 1010 00:56:54,300 --> 00:57:00,030 The first one is kind of short. So this is about Israel versus 1011 00:57:00,060 --> 00:57:00,630 Hamas. 1012 00:57:00,660 --> 00:57:03,960 Unknown: Mr. Biden said Israel's conduct of the war was over the 1013 00:57:03,960 --> 00:57:07,080 top. There are a lot of innocent people who are starving. He 1014 00:57:07,080 --> 00:57:08,820 said, there are a lot of innocent people who are in 1015 00:57:08,820 --> 00:57:13,800 trouble and dying. And it's got to stop. Can Mr. Biden make it 1016 00:57:13,800 --> 00:57:14,310 stop? 1017 00:57:14,520 --> 00:57:19,920 Well, we have a, and I won't call Mr. Because I've lost so 1018 00:57:19,920 --> 00:57:24,210 much respect for him, Netanyahu, there who seems to be you've 1019 00:57:24,210 --> 00:57:29,910 lost respect for him a long time ago. But nonetheless, it seems 1020 00:57:29,910 --> 00:57:33,660 to be calling the shots and he and his very extreme right wing, 1021 00:57:33,660 --> 00:57:37,020 I wouldn't even say that's a legitimate place to be in the 1022 00:57:37,770 --> 00:57:41,460 world of thinking on the spectrum. But right wing radical 1023 00:57:41,460 --> 00:57:47,850 right wing of cabinet. So I would hope that hearing from a 1024 00:57:47,850 --> 00:57:51,420 friend of Israel, as Joe Biden has always been all of us have 1025 00:57:51,420 --> 00:57:58,590 been that he would respect the lives of the people who are 1026 00:57:58,680 --> 00:58:02,880 innocent. Collateral Damage in this war. 1027 00:58:03,060 --> 00:58:06,720 Adam Curry: So here's Nancy, Miss Pelosi, with one of those 1028 00:58:06,720 --> 00:58:11,820 sheriff's star badges want to share badges of Ukraine and USA 1029 00:58:11,820 --> 00:58:11,970 to 1030 00:58:11,970 --> 00:58:14,610 John C Dvorak: get a close up shot of that for the newsletter. 1031 00:58:14,850 --> 00:58:17,790 Or at least I like to see it maybe troll room can get me URL 1032 00:58:17,820 --> 00:58:19,710 URL and get a shot a good closer. 1033 00:58:19,740 --> 00:58:22,080 Adam Curry: So she's like, No, no, he's not a good guy. He's 1034 00:58:22,080 --> 00:58:25,140 far right. But she's being very careful with her words. I know 1035 00:58:25,170 --> 00:58:29,640 AIPAC may be concerned about what she's saying. So then Mr. 1036 00:58:29,640 --> 00:58:35,340 conflict zone, asked her well, but the same question. Matt Lee 1037 00:58:35,340 --> 00:58:38,160 asked, but you have levers. You've said you have levers to 1038 00:58:38,160 --> 00:58:42,210 pull. You can pull levers, what levers are the levers, but there 1039 00:58:42,210 --> 00:58:45,480 Unknown: are levers that Biden could use, which he hasn't used? 1040 00:58:45,480 --> 00:58:49,350 There are levers which previous Presidents have used when Israel 1041 00:58:49,350 --> 00:58:53,730 has in their view crossed the line? For example, go back to 1042 00:58:53,760 --> 00:58:58,200 1956 Eisenhower, refuse sanctions if Israel didn't like 1043 00:58:58,230 --> 00:59:01,830 Adam Curry: 1956 I was 40 Back then, dude, I don't remember 1044 00:59:01,830 --> 00:59:02,340 that isn't 1045 00:59:02,340 --> 00:59:05,640 Unknown: how I refuse sanctions if Israel didn't pull its forces 1046 00:59:05,640 --> 00:59:11,850 out of Sinai. breakin, you know, held up delivery of fighter jets 1047 00:59:11,850 --> 00:59:15,210 over Israel's actually leveled George Bush Senior block loan 1048 00:59:15,210 --> 00:59:16,890 guarantees because of settlement 1049 00:59:16,890 --> 00:59:21,420 building yet I was there the day that that I was going back to 1050 00:59:21,420 --> 00:59:22,770 56. So 1051 00:59:22,770 --> 00:59:24,570 these levers, there's 1052 00:59:24,570 --> 00:59:32,430 some But the President has said something about the settlements. 1053 00:59:32,940 --> 00:59:35,940 He has said something about the settlements. It's saying 1054 00:59:35,940 --> 00:59:39,750 and blocking. Weapons supplies, for instance, are very different 1055 00:59:39,750 --> 00:59:40,110 things. 1056 00:59:40,470 --> 00:59:44,310 It's not it's a path. It's a path. Look, this is terrible. I 1057 00:59:44,310 --> 00:59:51,390 mean, nobody wants to in any way. Minimize what happened on 1058 00:59:51,390 --> 00:59:53,370 October 6. This was barbaric. 1059 00:59:54,690 --> 00:59:57,900 Adam Curry: It's October 7, Nancy, your head's still in 1060 00:59:57,900 --> 01:00:00,480 January 6 More mid 1061 01:00:01,320 --> 01:00:05,580 Unknown: October 6, this was barbaric. It was horrible and 1062 01:00:05,610 --> 01:00:10,680 consequences hostage taking rape, murder, kidnapping, 1063 01:00:11,010 --> 01:00:15,900 attacking young people at a music festival. How bad could it 1064 01:00:15,900 --> 01:00:22,260 get? And almost to the point of inviting, inviting a reaction, 1065 01:00:22,350 --> 01:00:22,830 because 1066 01:00:22,830 --> 01:00:25,860 Adam Curry: she's saying January 6, really October 6. I think 1067 01:00:25,860 --> 01:00:27,810 what she's saying there is I was like we were inviting a 1068 01:00:27,810 --> 01:00:30,990 reaction. I mean, it's in her head. This woman's in her head. 1069 01:00:30,990 --> 01:00:35,040 She's practically admitting to January 6 Being a setup in my 1070 01:00:35,040 --> 01:00:38,880 mind, which of course is twisted but it's that Sheriff's Badge 1071 01:00:38,880 --> 01:00:40,410 that's blinding me 1072 01:00:41,940 --> 01:00:42,750 Unknown: very weird. 1073 01:00:44,070 --> 01:00:46,110 John C Dvorak: It's weird badge I wonder with 1074 01:00:47,010 --> 01:00:49,020 Adam Curry: no one's been able to find me you see it in all the 1075 01:00:49,020 --> 01:00:52,710 videos. It's it's a it's like it lives it looks like a Sheriff's 1076 01:00:52,710 --> 01:00:55,140 Badge. I can't say it any other way. It's got a big star in the 1077 01:00:55,140 --> 01:01:01,110 middle. It's like a gold or the copper color. Golden goldish and 1078 01:01:02,130 --> 01:01:06,270 it has little Ukraine in US flag. I mean, it's like if you 1079 01:01:06,330 --> 01:01:09,360 if you sign off on a mage the billion dollar club if you sign 1080 01:01:09,360 --> 01:01:12,360 off on a billion for Ukraine, you get a badge. It's like 1081 01:01:12,390 --> 01:01:18,390 flair. something screwy about it. It's it's it's very NLP ish. 1082 01:01:19,980 --> 01:01:22,920 Speaking of such I would like to do a little presentation unless 1083 01:01:22,920 --> 01:01:24,210 you want to do more a Munich. 1084 01:01:25,470 --> 01:01:29,010 John C Dvorak: Let me see what I got here. More Munich stuff I've 1085 01:01:29,010 --> 01:01:29,580 got 1086 01:01:31,980 --> 01:01:37,350 Unknown: I don't think so. No, I know. I'm good. Okay, 1087 01:01:37,380 --> 01:01:43,920 Adam Curry: so Tucker Carlson dropped a video with Mike Benz. 1088 01:01:44,550 --> 01:01:47,970 And everybody's all GD jacked about it. Have you before 1089 01:01:47,970 --> 01:01:50,910 John C Dvorak: you. Before you continue with that? Did you? I'm 1090 01:01:50,910 --> 01:01:54,900 just asking, Did you see Tucker in the Russian supermarket? 1091 01:01:54,960 --> 01:01:55,350 Well, 1092 01:01:55,380 --> 01:01:57,810 Adam Curry: then let me start with that. Because I need to say 1093 01:01:57,810 --> 01:02:02,790 something about that as well. Here. Here's the opening clip of 1094 01:02:02,790 --> 01:02:06,210 Tucker in the Moscow supermarket show a long 1095 01:02:06,210 --> 01:02:09,090 Unknown: standing feature maybe the longest standing feature of 1096 01:02:09,090 --> 01:02:15,150 Cold War propaganda in the West was the Soviet grocery store. No 1097 01:02:15,180 --> 01:02:20,070 products, no choices, shoddily made things. 1098 01:02:20,850 --> 01:02:22,230 Adam Curry: And it wasn't actually propaganda. It was 1099 01:02:22,230 --> 01:02:26,010 real. And you know, he's showing video from I don't know what 1100 01:02:26,040 --> 01:02:31,140 1956 I mean, this. It's been quite modern for many years in 1101 01:02:31,140 --> 01:02:35,310 Moscow. Look at the pictures on the on the GOP. So we thought 1102 01:02:35,310 --> 01:02:38,190 it'd be interesting to take a look at a contemporary modern 1103 01:02:38,190 --> 01:02:44,100 day 2024 Russian grocery store two years into sanctions. Here 1104 01:02:44,100 --> 01:02:44,370 we go. 1105 01:02:46,410 --> 01:02:50,940 Unknown: All right. Here we go. So I guess you put in 10 rubles 1106 01:02:50,940 --> 01:02:51,510 here, 1107 01:02:52,020 --> 01:02:55,530 John C Dvorak: and you get it back. The game pack right there. 1108 01:02:55,560 --> 01:02:59,160 Adam Curry: This is what I want to talk about. This particular 1109 01:02:59,610 --> 01:03:01,320 Yes. What he's showing 1110 01:03:01,320 --> 01:03:04,620 John C Dvorak: is the old put a coin in pull the card out. This 1111 01:03:04,620 --> 01:03:05,730 is not it's been 1112 01:03:05,730 --> 01:03:09,300 Adam Curry: around flew to Russia. 10 years. Holland has 1113 01:03:09,300 --> 01:03:11,040 had it since they had the Gilder 1114 01:03:11,400 --> 01:03:14,430 John C Dvorak: they have them all over the south. Yeah, Whole 1115 01:03:14,430 --> 01:03:18,990 Foods has him. I haven't seen him around here. But that's 1116 01:03:18,990 --> 01:03:21,390 Adam Curry: that was my point. It's like gaming. He needs to 1117 01:03:21,390 --> 01:03:22,230 get out more. 1118 01:03:23,010 --> 01:03:23,910 John C Dvorak: I agree. 100. 1119 01:03:26,370 --> 01:03:27,990 Adam Curry: Good catch. You can't you caught yourself is 1120 01:03:27,990 --> 01:03:29,490 saying I agree you're safe 1121 01:03:29,520 --> 01:03:32,160 John C Dvorak: that he needs to get out more because that little 1122 01:03:32,160 --> 01:03:38,190 coin thing is not new. And I go for I'd say it's been around 25 1123 01:03:38,190 --> 01:03:40,020 years minimum. All 1124 01:03:40,020 --> 01:03:44,790 Adam Curry: right now. So Tucker does an interview with Mike Benz 1125 01:03:44,790 --> 01:03:47,490 Mike. Ben's worked in cybersecurity. I'm not sure 1126 01:03:47,490 --> 01:03:51,630 that's the exact title at the State Department. For the past 1127 01:03:51,630 --> 01:03:56,400 two years, he has been the executive director of foundation 1128 01:03:56,400 --> 01:04:00,150 for Freedom Online. The foundation for Freedom Online is 1129 01:04:00,150 --> 01:04:04,620 not a nonprofit. It says he's the only person he's the 1130 01:04:04,890 --> 01:04:08,490 executive director his mission through educational reports 1131 01:04:08,490 --> 01:04:11,610 legal assistance and Public Policy Analysis concerning 1132 01:04:11,610 --> 01:04:15,030 developing threats to digital liberties. We seek to provide 1133 01:04:15,030 --> 01:04:18,120 nonpartisan insights and assistance to all peoples taking 1134 01:04:18,120 --> 01:04:20,850 a stand for freedom of speech, freedom of expression and the 1135 01:04:20,850 --> 01:04:26,460 free exchange of ideas online. And it's a free speech watchdog 1136 01:04:26,460 --> 01:04:29,160 dedicated to restoring the promise of a free and open 1137 01:04:29,160 --> 01:04:33,360 Internet. There is no donate button does not claim to be a 1138 01:04:33,360 --> 01:04:37,860 nonprofit. So I looked all over the website and then I see red 1139 01:04:37,860 --> 01:04:42,630 at the bottom at the bottom under the contact page. It says 1140 01:04:42,840 --> 01:04:48,210 they are backed by this other outfit called Empower oversight 1141 01:04:48,810 --> 01:04:55,680 at Empower e m p o w r dot U S M they are accountability and 1142 01:04:55,680 --> 01:04:59,730 Public Integrity through the power of information they defend 1143 01:04:59,730 --> 01:05:05,190 with Bill blowers and their leadership their founder is 1144 01:05:05,190 --> 01:05:11,580 Jason foster there's all Republican people represented 1145 01:05:11,580 --> 01:05:13,710 for different congressional committees and hundreds of 1146 01:05:13,710 --> 01:05:16,230 disputes with the executive branch over documents and 1147 01:05:16,230 --> 01:05:23,670 witnesses. There's let me see Beth Levine strategic now she 1148 01:05:23,670 --> 01:05:27,900 does st and TJ commit Robert hire officer in the US Marine 1149 01:05:27,900 --> 01:05:31,080 Corps Special Agent with the US Secret Service and they're 1150 01:05:31,080 --> 01:05:37,350 located in Fairfax Virginia. And you know I'm they have now they 1151 01:05:37,350 --> 01:05:41,520 are a nonprofit empowerment oversight whistleblowers and 1152 01:05:41,520 --> 01:05:47,160 research about a million bucks again, located in Fairfax, 1153 01:05:47,190 --> 01:05:53,070 Virginia. So rather spooky even though on their website, they 1154 01:05:53,070 --> 01:05:57,600 say someplace in Texas, okay, fine. But I wonder you know 1155 01:05:57,600 --> 01:06:00,720 who's funding this outfit? I have. I have this is what I was 1156 01:06:00,720 --> 01:06:03,090 wondering if you had a good job at State Department leave State 1157 01:06:03,090 --> 01:06:06,540 Department goes on lots of shows. He's been on the pool boy 1158 01:06:06,540 --> 01:06:10,470 show. He's been in all kinds of places. And I'm not saying he's 1159 01:06:10,470 --> 01:06:13,560 a bad guy. I'm not saying Tucker's a bad guy. But it feels 1160 01:06:13,560 --> 01:06:17,310 to me like a massive redirection because here was an hour and 1161 01:06:17,310 --> 01:06:22,140 four minute conversation where mainly Mike is talking. And he 1162 01:06:22,140 --> 01:06:25,770 and it's um, he's saying the correct things. But it's the 1163 01:06:25,770 --> 01:06:29,400 first eight minutes that is important. And then for the next 1164 01:06:29,550 --> 01:06:33,750 55 minutes. All he's doing is telling everybody about the 1165 01:06:33,840 --> 01:06:38,880 censorship industrial complex. How how social media in America 1166 01:06:38,880 --> 01:06:42,210 censoring you censoring you censoring you censoring. And I 1167 01:06:42,210 --> 01:06:45,870 believe that to be misdirection we're setting it all out right 1168 01:06:45,870 --> 01:06:49,380 now. I don't know whether that's purposeful or not. Tucker is 1169 01:06:49,380 --> 01:06:52,440 definitely a useful idiot. In this case. I'm gonna have a 1170 01:06:52,440 --> 01:06:55,260 couple of clips and I have some no agenda clips from back in the 1171 01:06:55,260 --> 01:06:58,860 day to backup what this really is about, because all of this 1172 01:06:58,860 --> 01:07:03,570 started as propaganda. And we've tracked propaganda on the 1173 01:07:03,570 --> 01:07:07,530 internet for a long time on the no agenda show all the way 1174 01:07:07,530 --> 01:07:11,640 through the repeal of Smith month, which had to happen 1175 01:07:11,640 --> 01:07:15,600 because of propaganda not because of D platforming and 1176 01:07:15,600 --> 01:07:20,070 shadow banning and putting notes community notes everywhere, but 1177 01:07:20,070 --> 01:07:22,650 because of actual propaganda, and I think we're being 1178 01:07:22,650 --> 01:07:26,520 misdirected here. So I want to present my case we start off 1179 01:07:26,790 --> 01:07:27,270 with 1180 01:07:28,620 --> 01:07:30,300 John C Dvorak: Mr. Right for what purpose 1181 01:07:31,440 --> 01:07:32,310 Unknown: tonight okay. 1182 01:07:33,810 --> 01:07:39,450 Adam Curry: trusted voices is is a concept in in the propaganda 1183 01:07:39,450 --> 01:07:43,500 war, and I'm talking trusted voices like Renee de sastra. I 1184 01:07:43,500 --> 01:07:47,280 think that's her name, who was on Joe Rogan, who came from me 1185 01:07:47,280 --> 01:07:51,810 out the sleeping giants and she was on our Well, Mia. We have to 1186 01:07:52,080 --> 01:07:55,290 get get these horrible companies offline, but she's really part 1187 01:07:55,290 --> 01:08:00,570 of the of the CIA. Mr. misinformation. She is part of 1188 01:08:00,570 --> 01:08:04,800 misinformation. Malone. I've never liked Mullah Malone is he 1189 01:08:04,800 --> 01:08:09,540 says, I hang out with CIA people. Then your CIA. Yeah. And 1190 01:08:09,540 --> 01:08:16,140 he's the one that kind of got rid of the Matias De Smet theory 1191 01:08:16,170 --> 01:08:22,740 of what was it a mass formation and turned it into something 1192 01:08:22,740 --> 01:08:26,250 else and directed it towards Hitler, instead of an actual, 1193 01:08:26,640 --> 01:08:31,740 the actual phenomenon that this professor studied mass 1194 01:08:31,740 --> 01:08:35,250 formation, he turned to mass formation delusion or something, 1195 01:08:35,250 --> 01:08:38,490 and then was just like Hitler, and then we're all know. So 1196 01:08:38,490 --> 01:08:41,340 there are people who get on podcasts in particular big 1197 01:08:41,340 --> 01:08:44,580 podcast, Tucker Carlson, where's his money coming from? Where's 1198 01:08:44,580 --> 01:08:49,560 his lawsuit with Fox? Where's that? I mean, you know, as I 1199 01:08:49,560 --> 01:08:53,310 have all kinds of questions about these people, and you 1200 01:08:53,310 --> 01:08:56,100 know, Brett Weinstein is now being on Tucker. He was back on 1201 01:08:56,100 --> 01:08:59,370 Joe Rogan. I mean, these people are everywhere. Brett Weinstein 1202 01:08:59,370 --> 01:09:02,160 gets invited to go to the Darien Gap and then comes back and 1203 01:09:02,160 --> 01:09:06,630 says, we're being invaded by China. No, I'm sorry. I think 1204 01:09:06,630 --> 01:09:10,950 that we're being mis directed by people who are probably well 1205 01:09:10,950 --> 01:09:14,010 intending and they just get in from you know how it happens. It 1206 01:09:14,010 --> 01:09:17,580 happens to me to microdots I mean, things happen. 1207 01:09:19,020 --> 01:09:20,370 John C Dvorak: I mean, hey, you said it. 1208 01:09:20,370 --> 01:09:24,420 Adam Curry: I did. Yeah, but I'm saying I'm saying that Q anon. 1209 01:09:24,420 --> 01:09:27,330 You know, it's this kind of stuff. And this misdirection 1210 01:09:27,330 --> 01:09:30,690 taking place. And this my belief that we're all being told to get 1211 01:09:30,750 --> 01:09:34,950 it this This interview was so earth shaking. 1212 01:09:35,490 --> 01:09:39,030 John C Dvorak: Okay, I've your I think you're rambling a little 1213 01:09:39,030 --> 01:09:41,460 bit. I'm not getting what I want. So let's play what do you 1214 01:09:41,880 --> 01:09:44,580 what do you want? What do you want want to know specifically 1215 01:09:44,580 --> 01:09:47,460 what the what the OP is? The OP is to focus 1216 01:09:47,459 --> 01:09:51,149 Adam Curry: everybody on D platforming and censorship and 1217 01:09:51,149 --> 01:09:54,809 not on the messaging, the propaganda that is all out in 1218 01:09:54,809 --> 01:09:58,889 the open in front of our faces. That's what that's what I'm 1219 01:09:58,889 --> 01:09:59,669 talking about. 1220 01:10:00,840 --> 01:10:02,880 John C Dvorak: nobody's talking about free speech on the 1221 01:10:02,880 --> 01:10:06,030 internet was an instrument of statecraft almost from the 1222 01:10:06,030 --> 01:10:11,670 outset of the privatization of the internet in 1991. We quickly 1223 01:10:11,670 --> 01:10:16,110 discovered through the efforts of the Defense Department, the 1224 01:10:16,110 --> 01:10:18,750 State Department and our intelligence services, that 1225 01:10:18,750 --> 01:10:22,260 people were using the internet to congregate on blogs and 1226 01:10:22,260 --> 01:10:27,210 forums, and free speech was championed more than anybody by 1227 01:10:27,210 --> 01:10:31,740 the Pentagon, the State Department and our sort of CIA 1228 01:10:31,740 --> 01:10:37,080 cut out NGO blob architecture as a way to support dissident 1229 01:10:37,080 --> 01:10:40,710 groups around the world in order to help them overthrow 1230 01:10:40,770 --> 01:10:43,440 authoritarian governments as they were sort of build. 1231 01:10:43,830 --> 01:10:47,160 Essentially, the internet internet free speech allowed 1232 01:10:47,190 --> 01:10:51,750 kind of instant regime change operations, to be able to 1233 01:10:51,750 --> 01:10:55,890 facilitate the foreign policy establishments, State Department 1234 01:10:55,890 --> 01:11:00,990 agenda and the ability to track to use free speech on the 1235 01:11:00,990 --> 01:11:06,450 internet as a way to circumvent state control over media over in 1236 01:11:06,450 --> 01:11:11,010 places like Central Asia or were all around the world was seen as 1237 01:11:11,010 --> 01:11:15,900 a way to be able to do what used to be done out of CIA station 1238 01:11:15,900 --> 01:11:20,070 houses, or out of embassies or consulates in a way that that 1239 01:11:20,190 --> 01:11:24,390 was totally turbocharged. And all of the Internet free speech 1240 01:11:24,390 --> 01:11:27,990 technology was initially created by our national security state 1241 01:11:28,260 --> 01:11:32,730 VPN, virtual private networks to hide your your IP address, tour 1242 01:11:32,730 --> 01:11:36,000 the dark web to be able to buy and trail sell goods 1243 01:11:36,030 --> 01:11:38,850 anonymously. And to end encrypted chats. All these 1244 01:11:38,850 --> 01:11:42,870 things were created, initially as DARPA projects, or as joint 1245 01:11:42,870 --> 01:11:48,630 CIA NSA projects to be able to help intelligence back groups to 1246 01:11:49,020 --> 01:11:53,040 overthrow governments that were causing a problem to the Clinton 1247 01:11:53,040 --> 01:11:55,140 administration or the Bush administration, the Obama 1248 01:11:55,140 --> 01:11:55,830 administration. 1249 01:11:56,940 --> 01:12:00,450 Adam Curry: And I brought some hoops to back that up, because 1250 01:12:00,450 --> 01:12:04,950 what up that all of these techniques are initially the 1251 01:12:04,950 --> 01:12:08,850 psychological operations of the military, the State Department 1252 01:12:08,850 --> 01:12:12,720 were used to overthrow foreign governments who are various 1253 01:12:12,720 --> 01:12:13,050 member 1254 01:12:13,050 --> 01:12:15,030 John C Dvorak: they've got an internet in a box and all the 1255 01:12:15,030 --> 01:12:18,300 other stuff. Hillary's This is Nuland. 1256 01:12:18,840 --> 01:12:23,190 Unknown: Our next question comes from our Farsi feed 1220 12 at 1257 01:12:23,190 --> 01:12:29,430 USAID or Farsi. Two part question from at m in LV. 1258 01:12:30,900 --> 01:12:34,950 Asked state Iran is about to cut off the internet. What's the 1259 01:12:34,950 --> 01:12:37,140 status of the suitcase internet? 1260 01:12:37,860 --> 01:12:43,170 And what is the US procedure on the new threat to the US Navy? I 1261 01:12:43,170 --> 01:12:43,680 assume? 1262 01:12:43,800 --> 01:12:48,000 Adam Curry: So yes, they had the the suitcase internet, we were 1263 01:12:48,000 --> 01:12:51,810 doing everything we could to overthrow countries by having 1264 01:12:51,900 --> 01:12:56,220 techno experts, as Hillary Clinton called them, rooms full 1265 01:12:56,220 --> 01:13:00,870 of people who were infiltrating online posting messages against 1266 01:13:00,870 --> 01:13:03,810 the regime that that's what it was used for. And that's 1267 01:13:03,810 --> 01:13:06,570 John C Dvorak: what Putin was pissed off about. Yes, 1268 01:13:06,600 --> 01:13:10,200 Adam Curry: it certainly did. This is Tom Shanker from the New 1269 01:13:10,200 --> 01:13:12,390 York Times 2011. 1270 01:13:12,540 --> 01:13:15,390 Unknown: It certainly did what what the American military 1271 01:13:15,390 --> 01:13:21,060 intelligence can do is forge the watermarks or certification, if 1272 01:13:21,060 --> 01:13:24,330 you will, of official al Qaeda postings because they don't want 1273 01:13:24,330 --> 01:13:27,750 people going online and pretending to be them. But, you 1274 01:13:27,750 --> 01:13:30,720 know, American cyber technology is so advanced that they can 1275 01:13:30,750 --> 01:13:34,290 have a near near perfect recreation of an al Qaeda 1276 01:13:34,290 --> 01:13:37,590 message. And what they're doing from time to time was going on 1277 01:13:37,590 --> 01:13:42,420 to jihadi websites, and posting conflicting and contradictory 1278 01:13:42,420 --> 01:13:47,160 orders. Statements that raise doubt about who the jihadi 1279 01:13:47,160 --> 01:13:50,400 should follow and who's really in charge. And is this person 1280 01:13:50,400 --> 01:13:54,690 still alive? Are they still in control? And the goal is to 1281 01:13:54,690 --> 01:13:59,850 really disrupt the entire network by sowing distrust and 1282 01:13:59,850 --> 01:14:03,090 dissenting and can confusion, we've been told that they've had 1283 01:14:03,090 --> 01:14:04,770 some great successes of that. Yeah, 1284 01:14:04,770 --> 01:14:09,090 Adam Curry: I'm playing these clips. Because I think that that 1285 01:14:09,090 --> 01:14:13,290 is the thing that we're being directed away from is Who are 1286 01:14:13,500 --> 01:14:19,020 these people who are posting messages, sowing dissent, coming 1287 01:14:19,020 --> 01:14:24,030 into groups, probably in in in our own group as well? rummaging 1288 01:14:24,030 --> 01:14:30,090 around but But Mike Ben's, his whole hour was about the removal 1289 01:14:30,090 --> 01:14:32,970 of free speech. That's what Tucker's of Oh, free speech is 1290 01:14:32,970 --> 01:14:36,090 all Oh, we don't have free speech. Yeah, that's not what 1291 01:14:36,090 --> 01:14:40,170 it's about that, to me. It's a cover up of what is really going 1292 01:14:40,170 --> 01:14:41,910 on. This is the second part of Ben's, 1293 01:14:42,030 --> 01:14:44,490 John C Dvorak: and this plan worked magically, from about 1294 01:14:44,490 --> 01:14:51,150 1991 Until about 2014 When there began to be an about face on 1295 01:14:51,180 --> 01:14:53,820 internet freedom and its utility. Now the high watermark 1296 01:14:53,820 --> 01:14:55,920 of this sort of internet free speech moment was the Arab 1297 01:14:55,920 --> 01:15:01,590 Spring, in 2011 2012 when you had this One by one, all of the 1298 01:15:01,590 --> 01:15:05,010 adversary governments of the Obama administration, Egypt, 1299 01:15:05,010 --> 01:15:08,310 Tunisia, all began to be toppled in Facebook revolutions and 1300 01:15:08,310 --> 01:15:11,760 Twitter revolutions. And you had the State Department working 1301 01:15:11,760 --> 01:15:15,510 very closely with the social media companies to be able to 1302 01:15:15,540 --> 01:15:19,470 keep social media online. during those periods. There's a famous 1303 01:15:19,470 --> 01:15:23,670 phone call from Google's Jared Cohen, to Twitter to not do 1304 01:15:23,670 --> 01:15:27,510 their scheduled maintenance. So that distance that the preferred 1305 01:15:27,510 --> 01:15:31,860 opposition group and Iran would be able to use Twitter to to win 1306 01:15:31,860 --> 01:15:34,050 that election. So it was an insult free speech was an 1307 01:15:34,050 --> 01:15:36,990 instrument of statecraft from the national security state. To 1308 01:15:36,990 --> 01:15:40,170 begin with all of that architecture, all the NGOs, the 1309 01:15:40,170 --> 01:15:42,420 relationships between the tech companies and the national 1310 01:15:42,420 --> 01:15:46,170 security state had been long established for freedom. In 1311 01:15:46,170 --> 01:15:51,810 2014. After the coup in Ukraine, there was an unexpected counter 1312 01:15:51,810 --> 01:15:55,620 coup where Crimea, and the Donbass broke away. And they 1313 01:15:55,620 --> 01:15:58,740 broke away with essentially a military backstop that NATO was 1314 01:15:58,740 --> 01:16:02,250 highly unprepared for at the time, they had one last Hail 1315 01:16:02,250 --> 01:16:06,810 Mary chance, which was the Crimea annexation vote on in 1316 01:16:06,810 --> 01:16:12,180 2014. And when the hearts and minds of the people of Crimea 1317 01:16:12,210 --> 01:16:16,620 voted to join the Russian Federation, that was the last 1318 01:16:16,620 --> 01:16:20,070 straw for the concept of free speech on the internet in the 1319 01:16:20,070 --> 01:16:20,820 eyes of NATO. 1320 01:16:21,300 --> 01:16:23,130 Adam Curry: And now we go back to Hillary Clinton, 1321 01:16:23,280 --> 01:16:27,150 Unknown: we're doing a lot of work to try to come up with 1322 01:16:27,150 --> 01:16:30,750 technologies that can circumvent the jamming and the 1323 01:16:30,750 --> 01:16:36,780 interruptions and the tracking that the regime are engaged in 1324 01:16:36,780 --> 01:16:42,090 right now. We are providing technology, some of which, you 1325 01:16:42,090 --> 01:16:45,150 know, is more effective than others, we are certainly 1326 01:16:45,150 --> 01:16:50,940 training people, both outside and inside to be able to use 1327 01:16:50,970 --> 01:16:55,140 technology to circumvent this is one of my highest priorities. 1328 01:16:55,140 --> 01:16:58,470 You know, I've spoken out repeatedly about the right of 1329 01:16:58,470 --> 01:17:00,930 people to have access to the internet, it is freedom of 1330 01:17:00,930 --> 01:17:04,140 speech and expression and assembly values that we think 1331 01:17:04,140 --> 01:17:08,100 every human being is entitled to. But we've also seen the 1332 01:17:08,100 --> 01:17:11,670 regime in Iran impose what amounts to an electronic 1333 01:17:11,670 --> 01:17:16,020 curtain. It's the 21st century century equivalent of the barbed 1334 01:17:16,020 --> 01:17:20,670 wire and the fences and the dogs that the old Soviet Union used 1335 01:17:20,670 --> 01:17:23,550 because they come at it from the same mentality, they want 1336 01:17:23,550 --> 01:17:27,270 totalitarian control over what you learn and what you say, and 1337 01:17:27,270 --> 01:17:30,090 even what you think and how you worship and all the things that 1338 01:17:30,090 --> 01:17:34,260 go to the heart of human dignity and human freedom. So yes, we 1339 01:17:34,260 --> 01:17:38,790 are doing everything we can now I will quickly add that, that 1340 01:17:38,790 --> 01:17:41,250 we're experimenting, you know, sometimes we think something 1341 01:17:41,250 --> 01:17:44,460 will work, it turns out not to work, sometimes we get, you 1342 01:17:44,460 --> 01:17:47,580 know, maybe a year ahead of the regime's efforts, and then they 1343 01:17:47,580 --> 01:17:50,790 catch up. And we have to go back to the drawing boards. But I 1344 01:17:50,790 --> 01:17:55,410 want to assure your viewers that we are committed to doing 1345 01:17:55,440 --> 01:17:59,670 everything we can to provide as much communication freedom 1346 01:17:59,700 --> 01:18:05,040 inside and outside of Iran to people trying to speak out for 1347 01:18:05,040 --> 01:18:06,270 their rights as possible. 1348 01:18:06,390 --> 01:18:10,140 Adam Curry: So Mike Benzes point that he goes on and on. If you 1349 01:18:10,140 --> 01:18:13,500 look, I presuming you haven't seen the hour long interview. 1350 01:18:14,820 --> 01:18:18,300 What everyone is responding to is they have backdoors into 1351 01:18:18,300 --> 01:18:21,480 Twitter, they can take you off, they can shadow ban you. But 1352 01:18:21,480 --> 01:18:24,120 that's the wrong thing to focus on, is 1353 01:18:24,120 --> 01:18:26,460 John C Dvorak: they saw it, the fundamental nature of war 1354 01:18:26,460 --> 01:18:30,210 changed at that moment. And NATO at that point, declared 1355 01:18:30,210 --> 01:18:32,610 something that they first called the jurrasic off doctrine, which 1356 01:18:32,610 --> 01:18:36,150 is named after this Russian military general, who they 1357 01:18:36,150 --> 01:18:39,090 claimed made a speech that the fundamental nature of war has 1358 01:18:39,090 --> 01:18:42,690 changed. You don't need to win military skirmishes to take over 1359 01:18:42,720 --> 01:18:45,780 Central and Eastern Europe. All you need to do is control the 1360 01:18:45,780 --> 01:18:49,050 media and the social media ecosystem, because that's what 1361 01:18:49,050 --> 01:18:51,750 controls elections. And if you simply get the right 1362 01:18:51,750 --> 01:18:55,050 administration into power, they control the military. So it's 1363 01:18:55,050 --> 01:18:57,510 infinitely cheaper than conducting a military war to 1364 01:18:57,510 --> 01:19:01,410 simply conduct an organized political influence operation 1365 01:19:01,440 --> 01:19:05,250 over social media than legacy media in industry had been 1366 01:19:05,250 --> 01:19:09,090 created that spanned the Pentagon, the British Ministry 1367 01:19:09,090 --> 01:19:14,100 of Defence and Brussels into a organized political warfare 1368 01:19:14,100 --> 01:19:17,010 outfit, essentially infrastructure that was created, 1369 01:19:17,160 --> 01:19:20,460 initially stationed in Germany and in Central and Eastern 1370 01:19:20,460 --> 01:19:24,090 Europe, to create psychological buffer zones basically to create 1371 01:19:24,090 --> 01:19:27,540 the ability to have the military work with the social media 1372 01:19:27,540 --> 01:19:32,880 companies to censor Russian propaganda or to censor domestic 1373 01:19:32,910 --> 01:19:36,720 right wing populist groups in Europe who are rising in 1374 01:19:36,720 --> 01:19:39,120 political power at the time because of the migrant crisis. 1375 01:19:39,150 --> 01:19:41,580 Adam Curry: See, this is where he starts to pivot and this is 1376 01:19:41,580 --> 01:19:45,690 what I disagree. What he's what he's focusing everybody on is 1377 01:19:45,690 --> 01:19:49,440 the censorship. But what the what the Defense Department was 1378 01:19:49,440 --> 01:19:55,170 really doing was stuff like this as we work the data piece, and 1379 01:19:55,500 --> 01:19:59,340 it gives us the ability instead of just this from 2017 our own 1380 01:19:59,340 --> 01:20:02,970 archives Throwing a message out and hope it lands, we can 1381 01:20:02,970 --> 01:20:06,540 actually I call that kind of meat cleaver messaging, as you 1382 01:20:06,540 --> 01:20:09,420 throw it out there. And hopefully it hits the right 1383 01:20:09,420 --> 01:20:12,870 audience. So we have the ability, and I'll use an example 1384 01:20:12,870 --> 01:20:16,980 of something we've started this year. And this is using Facebook 1385 01:20:16,980 --> 01:20:21,810 ads, I can go within Facebook, I can, I can go grab an audience, 1386 01:20:21,990 --> 01:20:27,960 I can give a hypothetical, I can pick Country X, I need age group 1387 01:20:28,080 --> 01:20:33,060 13 to 34. I need people who who've liked, you know, whether 1388 01:20:33,060 --> 01:20:38,670 it's Abu Bakr, Al Baghdadi, or any other set, and I can shoot 1389 01:20:38,700 --> 01:20:42,600 and hit them directly with messages for in some places in 1390 01:20:42,600 --> 01:20:46,230 the world, it's literally pennies a click. So, you know, 1391 01:20:46,410 --> 01:20:49,620 that's what they're doing. They're using this in the same 1392 01:20:49,620 --> 01:20:55,080 propaganda is as old as the word propaganda. But that's what we 1393 01:20:55,080 --> 01:20:57,750 need to focus on is on the propaganda. And then the final 1394 01:20:57,750 --> 01:21:00,720 clip, this is Mike bends, who really explains what this is 1395 01:21:00,720 --> 01:21:04,320 about, this kind of helps us understand why NATO was all 1396 01:21:04,320 --> 01:21:08,970 freaked out about Trump, because without NATO, then the real 1397 01:21:08,970 --> 01:21:11,160 owners of the world are in trouble when 1398 01:21:11,160 --> 01:21:15,210 John C Dvorak: Brexit happened in 2016. It was it that was that 1399 01:21:15,210 --> 01:21:18,870 was this crisis moment where suddenly they didn't have to 1400 01:21:18,870 --> 01:21:21,240 worry just about Central Eastern Europe anymore. It was coming 1401 01:21:21,240 --> 01:21:25,470 westward, this idea of Russian control over hearts and minds. 1402 01:21:25,830 --> 01:21:30,330 And so that was Brexit was June 2016, the very next month at the 1403 01:21:30,360 --> 01:21:34,290 war at the Warsaw conference, NATO formally amended its 1404 01:21:34,290 --> 01:21:40,290 charter to to expressly commit to hybrid warfare as their as 1405 01:21:40,290 --> 01:21:44,670 this new NATO capacity. So they went from, you know, basically 1406 01:21:44,700 --> 01:21:50,220 70 years of attacks to this explicit capacity building for 1407 01:21:50,220 --> 01:21:54,150 censoring tweets if they were deemed to be Russian proxies. 1408 01:21:54,150 --> 01:21:57,030 And again, it's not just Russian propaganda. This was these were 1409 01:21:57,030 --> 01:22:01,350 now Brexit groups, or groups like Matteo Salvini, in Italy, 1410 01:22:01,950 --> 01:22:06,360 or in Greece, or in Germany, or in Spain with the Vox party. And 1411 01:22:06,390 --> 01:22:09,840 now at the time, NATO was publishing white papers, saying 1412 01:22:09,840 --> 01:22:12,750 that the biggest threat NATO faces is not actually a military 1413 01:22:12,750 --> 01:22:16,710 invasion from Russia, it's losing domestic elections across 1414 01:22:16,710 --> 01:22:20,610 Europe, in to all these right wing populist groups who because 1415 01:22:20,610 --> 01:22:23,850 they were mostly working class movements, were campaigning on 1416 01:22:23,850 --> 01:22:27,900 cheap Russian energy at a time when the US was pressuring this 1417 01:22:27,900 --> 01:22:31,830 energy diversification policy. And so they made the argument 1418 01:22:31,860 --> 01:22:35,190 after Brexit. Now the entire rules based international order 1419 01:22:35,190 --> 01:22:37,380 would collapse unless the military took control over 1420 01:22:37,380 --> 01:22:40,380 media, because Brexit would give rise to Brexit in France with 1421 01:22:40,380 --> 01:22:43,770 Marine LePen, to specs it in Spain with a Vox party to Italy 1422 01:22:43,770 --> 01:22:48,000 exiting in Italy, to Brexit and Germany to Grexit. And Greece, 1423 01:22:48,180 --> 01:22:52,200 the EU would come apart, so NATO would be killed without a single 1424 01:22:52,230 --> 01:22:56,550 bullet being being fired. And then not only that, now that 1425 01:22:56,550 --> 01:22:59,640 NATO is gone. Now, there's no enforcement arm for the 1426 01:22:59,640 --> 01:23:02,730 International Monetary Fund The IMF or the World Bank. So now 1427 01:23:02,730 --> 01:23:05,700 the financial stakeholders who depend on the battering ram of 1428 01:23:05,700 --> 01:23:08,490 the national security state would basically be helpless 1429 01:23:08,490 --> 01:23:09,930 against governments around the world. 1430 01:23:10,290 --> 01:23:12,750 Adam Curry: So I appreciate that Mike, Ben, settle this. This is 1431 01:23:12,780 --> 01:23:17,400 absolutely true. But then, as I said, then it just goes on. 1432 01:23:17,400 --> 01:23:21,390 Everyone's talking about how incredible that the censorship 1433 01:23:21,390 --> 01:23:25,380 industrial complex is. We need to be careful, especially with 1434 01:23:25,380 --> 01:23:28,650 what I call the info Mavericks. What are these people telling 1435 01:23:28,650 --> 01:23:32,520 us? What battlefield are they sending us to, to run around? 1436 01:23:32,700 --> 01:23:36,420 And I'll be all spun up about this. Oh, that there's some 1437 01:23:36,420 --> 01:23:39,840 shadow banned. While you in the meantime, the people who are 1438 01:23:39,840 --> 01:23:43,320 right in our face are giving us information, like the 1439 01:23:43,320 --> 01:23:47,400 supermarkets in Moscow are so much better. Now, it's like what 1440 01:23:47,490 --> 01:23:50,430 what are we going to pay attention to? That's my point. 1441 01:23:54,180 --> 01:23:54,750 Okay. 1442 01:23:57,900 --> 01:24:00,480 John C Dvorak: I thought that he generalized a bit. His history 1443 01:24:00,480 --> 01:24:04,710 of the internet's a bit much. He's claiming everything 1444 01:24:04,710 --> 01:24:13,440 happened around 9091, including VPNs, which is decade off. But I 1445 01:24:13,440 --> 01:24:15,330 will go listen to that interview as she would I think, 1446 01:24:15,690 --> 01:24:18,360 Adam Curry: yeah, now I should have sent it to you. I mean, 1447 01:24:18,960 --> 01:24:22,560 they even wondered put it on the no agenda stream after our show. 1448 01:24:22,560 --> 01:24:27,600 I'm like, no, no, no, they it doesn't matter. You know, the 1449 01:24:27,600 --> 01:24:31,110 powers that be the powers that run the stream. But But that's, 1450 01:24:31,320 --> 01:24:35,190 but that's the kind of that's the level of enthusiasm I see 1451 01:24:35,190 --> 01:24:38,910 for Mike Benz, who may be a very nice guy and Tucker is probably 1452 01:24:38,910 --> 01:24:41,760 a really nice guy. But I just have the feeling that they are 1453 01:24:41,760 --> 01:24:46,530 sending us to these battlefields where they want us to be, which 1454 01:24:46,530 --> 01:24:49,290 is about free speech, free speech. They're censoring us. 1455 01:24:49,290 --> 01:24:53,460 Oh, they're censoring us. Elon is great. Okay. Keep believing 1456 01:24:53,460 --> 01:24:53,910 that. 1457 01:24:58,290 --> 01:25:06,150 John C Dvorak: So many do hello, Ukraine. stuff all right. I have 1458 01:25:06,150 --> 01:25:12,180 a couple of clips here that were kind of like took me aback 1459 01:25:13,320 --> 01:25:14,460 Adam Curry: Wait, where's it from? 1460 01:25:15,270 --> 01:25:18,990 John C Dvorak: This is This one's from NPR and was from PBS. 1461 01:25:19,020 --> 01:25:22,080 Adam Curry: Oh, so Oh, PBS. Excellent but wait a 1462 01:25:22,080 --> 01:25:23,790 John C Dvorak: minute I had no we have a jingle that's what I'm 1463 01:25:23,790 --> 01:25:24,930 waiting for. Yeah, I 1464 01:25:24,930 --> 01:25:31,020 Adam Curry: don't know. Well what happened to my jingle Well, 1465 01:25:31,020 --> 01:25:32,100 I'm way off. I 1466 01:25:32,100 --> 01:25:34,350 John C Dvorak: don't. Wow. Yeah. Okay. 1467 01:25:34,380 --> 01:25:36,420 Adam Curry: I usually play that thing right away. I don't know 1468 01:25:36,420 --> 01:25:37,890 what happened is probably 1469 01:25:37,890 --> 01:25:40,620 John C Dvorak: could play Amy's right away if you had to. 1470 01:25:42,840 --> 01:25:48,030 Adam Curry: Oh, here we go, elitist voices of America. This 1471 01:25:48,030 --> 01:25:52,410 is NPR or PBS. I'm sorry. I really screwed that one up. I'll 1472 01:25:52,410 --> 01:25:54,240 cut it out. Go let it out. No one will know. 1473 01:25:55,230 --> 01:25:57,210 John C Dvorak: So let's go with Ukraine. Waitwhat. 1474 01:25:57,390 --> 01:26:00,390 Unknown: Ukraine's president is warning Western allies that 1475 01:26:00,390 --> 01:26:03,630 holding up military aid is having an effect on the 1476 01:26:03,630 --> 01:26:07,620 battlefield. And here's Joanna kisses reports. Russia secured 1477 01:26:07,620 --> 01:26:11,850 its first battlefield win in months after Ukrainian troops 1478 01:26:11,880 --> 01:26:16,170 low on ammunition withdrew from a strategic eastern town 1479 01:26:16,200 --> 01:26:19,950 President Biden referred to the fall of the town of de WQA. In a 1480 01:26:19,950 --> 01:26:24,330 call with Ukrainian president Volodymyr Zelensky. Biden said 1481 01:26:24,330 --> 01:26:29,310 Ukrainian soldiers had to quote ration ammunition as a result of 1482 01:26:29,310 --> 01:26:30,960 congressional inaction. 1483 01:26:32,580 --> 01:26:33,990 John C Dvorak: Wait, wait, why? 1484 01:26:35,730 --> 01:26:38,610 Adam Curry: It's our fault. This Republic Day I 1485 01:26:38,610 --> 01:26:41,190 John C Dvorak: thought England in particular was like the big, 1486 01:26:41,460 --> 01:26:46,860 big boy and the EU and Germany where you know, it's our 1487 01:26:46,860 --> 01:26:51,330 Congress that cost the city little city, his are overrun by 1488 01:26:51,330 --> 01:26:54,720 the Russians. Just us alone. We're doing the whole thing. Is 1489 01:26:54,720 --> 01:26:55,620 that what you're telling me? It's 1490 01:26:55,620 --> 01:26:58,890 Adam Curry: our fault. Yes. PBS NPR. NPR. Yes, yes. 1491 01:26:58,890 --> 01:27:00,210 John C Dvorak: NPR. It's our fault. 1492 01:27:00,240 --> 01:27:01,020 Adam Curry: Yeah, yes. 1493 01:27:02,100 --> 01:27:05,550 John C Dvorak: You're if you're saying little Jhansi 1494 01:27:05,550 --> 01:27:06,990 Adam Curry: Dvorak, you're at fault. That's what you're 1495 01:27:06,990 --> 01:27:09,150 supposed to feel is your fault. This 1496 01:27:09,150 --> 01:27:10,590 John C Dvorak: is the second half of that clip. 1497 01:27:10,950 --> 01:27:14,070 Unknown: Earlier at the Munich Security Conference. Zelinsky 1498 01:27:14,070 --> 01:27:18,000 said a delay in aid only helps Russian President Vladimir Putin 1499 01:27:18,180 --> 01:27:20,820 who ordered the full scale invasion of Ukraine nearly two 1500 01:27:20,820 --> 01:27:21,630 years ago. 1501 01:27:21,660 --> 01:27:26,880 John C Dvorak: Do not ask Ukraine when the war will end. 1502 01:27:27,660 --> 01:27:34,260 Ask yourself, why is Putin still able to continue it? 1503 01:27:34,410 --> 01:27:38,070 Unknown: The Russian occupation? Comes a month before 1504 01:27:38,070 --> 01:27:40,110 presidential elections in Russia. 1505 01:27:40,260 --> 01:27:42,450 Adam Curry: Give her some credit, man, give us some 1506 01:27:42,450 --> 01:27:43,050 credits. 1507 01:27:43,110 --> 01:27:46,290 John C Dvorak: What he's saying there. He's insulting us. Yes. 1508 01:27:46,440 --> 01:27:49,200 He's saying how come Russia can keep this war going? And you 1509 01:27:49,200 --> 01:27:52,890 wimps can't do it. Yes. You're Republicans. That's right. 1510 01:27:52,890 --> 01:27:56,430 That's exactly what he's how dumb is the American public to 1511 01:27:56,430 --> 01:28:00,630 fall for this to be suckers for this stupid war for up to two 1512 01:28:00,630 --> 01:28:03,750 years now. This is billions and billions. And Lee's latest thing 1513 01:28:03,750 --> 01:28:05,790 is 95 billion they want. 1514 01:28:06,690 --> 01:28:09,810 Adam Curry: I think that if if you were given one of those nice 1515 01:28:09,810 --> 01:28:13,050 Sheriff stars, you'd probably be like, oh, yeah, I gotta help you 1516 01:28:13,050 --> 01:28:13,410 out. 1517 01:28:14,220 --> 01:28:16,440 John C Dvorak: So here's the PVS. Reverse, similar, not as 1518 01:28:16,440 --> 01:28:19,920 similar not as bad as that report, but PBS Ukraine in 1519 01:28:19,920 --> 01:28:20,520 Munich, 1520 01:28:20,730 --> 01:28:23,490 Unknown: Ukrainian forces that withdrawn from the devastated 1521 01:28:23,490 --> 01:28:28,770 eastern city of Deepika, handy Russia, a key victory of 1522 01:28:28,770 --> 01:28:32,160 Ukrainian soldiers desperately short of ammunition had was 1523 01:28:32,610 --> 01:28:35,760 Russian assault for four months. At the Munich Security 1524 01:28:35,760 --> 01:28:38,580 Conference, Vice President Kamala Harris met with Ukrainian 1525 01:28:38,580 --> 01:28:42,210 president Volodymyr Zelensky Solinsky said he's hoping for a 1526 01:28:42,210 --> 01:28:45,450 break in the months long congressional log jam. That's 1527 01:28:45,450 --> 01:28:49,680 bottled up US aid for Ukraine Cova Manam, 1528 01:28:49,800 --> 01:28:54,960 we are counting on this positive decision of the Congress. For 1529 01:28:54,960 --> 01:28:59,730 us. This package is vital. We do not currently look into 1530 01:28:59,730 --> 01:29:03,780 alternatives because we're counting on the United States 1531 01:29:03,810 --> 01:29:07,290 National as as an our partner strategic partner. When 1532 01:29:07,290 --> 01:29:12,630 we talk about the role of America as it relates to our 1533 01:29:12,630 --> 01:29:16,890 support for Ukraine. We must be unwavering and we cannot play 1534 01:29:16,890 --> 01:29:18,480 political games. 1535 01:29:18,630 --> 01:29:24,120 Harris said there is no money pass a $60 billion aid package. 1536 01:29:24,360 --> 01:29:27,330 There was only plan a she told reporters. The Senate 1537 01:29:27,330 --> 01:29:30,090 overwhelmingly approved the aid bill but House Speaker Mike 1538 01:29:30,090 --> 01:29:33,480 Johnson said he won't even bring it up for a vote. Well, 1539 01:29:33,510 --> 01:29:35,280 John C Dvorak: that's from Mike Johnson. 1540 01:29:35,460 --> 01:29:39,150 Adam Curry: That's interesting. Because I've learned something 1541 01:29:39,180 --> 01:29:44,580 else, because these packages are all tied to the border. And you 1542 01:29:44,580 --> 01:29:48,060 know, I've looked at the border packages. And it seems like 1543 01:29:48,060 --> 01:29:51,150 there's a lot of money going into helping migrants not into 1544 01:29:51,150 --> 01:29:56,310 stopping migrants. And yeah, they talk a big game but and 1545 01:29:56,340 --> 01:29:59,100 well actually, here's the here's the big game that's being talked 1546 01:29:59,100 --> 01:30:00,210 down here. his 1547 01:30:00,210 --> 01:30:02,940 Unknown: dirt field along the Rio Grande and Eagle Pass will 1548 01:30:02,940 --> 01:30:06,690 soon be perhaps the most visible sign that Texas is wrangling 1549 01:30:06,690 --> 01:30:10,230 control of border security from the federal government. Governor 1550 01:30:10,230 --> 01:30:13,050 Abbott announced the state is building a forward operating 1551 01:30:13,050 --> 01:30:15,960 base for the Texas military department to 1552 01:30:15,990 --> 01:30:18,840 Adam Curry: Forward Operating Base this. Yeah, 1553 01:30:19,230 --> 01:30:21,210 John C Dvorak: play my clip Texas base camp. 1554 01:30:22,410 --> 01:30:26,220 Adam Curry: Forward Operating Base is is a very militaristic 1555 01:30:26,220 --> 01:30:26,730 terms. Its 1556 01:30:26,730 --> 01:30:30,090 Unknown: Governor Greg wants to build a military base camp at 1557 01:30:30,090 --> 01:30:33,120 the southern border base camp will support the state's efforts 1558 01:30:33,120 --> 01:30:35,880 to limit the number of people crossing illegally into the US 1559 01:30:35,880 --> 01:30:39,960 from Mexico, the 80 acre base camp would hold up to 2300 1560 01:30:39,960 --> 01:30:41,340 National Guard troops. 1561 01:30:41,610 --> 01:30:43,260 Adam Curry: All right, but here's what's really happening. 1562 01:30:43,290 --> 01:30:48,150 I don't have a clip. But someone this morning sent me an article 1563 01:30:48,150 --> 01:30:53,040 from Tucson. Tucson we'll see homelessness on steroids as 1564 01:30:53,040 --> 01:30:59,580 migrant aid funds dry up. And this is mainly the Catholic 1565 01:30:59,580 --> 01:31:05,640 Community Services. Remember, all of the State Department 1566 01:31:05,640 --> 01:31:05,970 wait. 1567 01:31:07,230 --> 01:31:10,020 John C Dvorak: I used to get I get to try to guess what you're 1568 01:31:10,020 --> 01:31:13,920 going to say. But are you going to and I'm just thinking about 1569 01:31:13,920 --> 01:31:17,760 this on the fly, suggest that this aid package that's so 1570 01:31:17,760 --> 01:31:22,140 important about the border is to brief fill all the NGO monies? 1571 01:31:22,230 --> 01:31:26,130 Adam Curry: Yes. And that's why I think if Mike Johnson is 1572 01:31:26,130 --> 01:31:30,420 really smart, that's why he's keeping it at bay. Because now 1573 01:31:30,420 --> 01:31:33,990 we're seeing the wheels come off of everything. And the first one 1574 01:31:33,990 --> 01:31:36,810 that I've gotten here, it even says the Senate's failed 1575 01:31:36,810 --> 01:31:40,950 bipartisan border security package, co sponsored by Kirsten 1576 01:31:40,950 --> 01:31:45,180 cinema of Arizona would have appropriated 1.4 billion to 1577 01:31:45,180 --> 01:31:49,890 support temporary shelters for migrants through the Catholic 1578 01:31:49,890 --> 01:31:54,690 Community Services NGO. And by the way, it's the Catholic 1579 01:31:54,690 --> 01:31:59,550 bishops. It's the Jewish migrant resettlement, it's all these 1580 01:31:59,550 --> 01:32:02,340 faith based. Yeah. Migrant 1581 01:32:03,480 --> 01:32:05,760 John C Dvorak: accumulating money. Yes. 1582 01:32:05,760 --> 01:32:11,040 Adam Curry: And it's 1000s per, per migrant. So that would 1583 01:32:11,040 --> 01:32:15,120 explain why maybe Mike Johnson is trying to keep this at bay to 1584 01:32:15,120 --> 01:32:18,630 show that it all comes apart if we don't have that money, 1585 01:32:18,630 --> 01:32:23,100 because it's not to stop people from coming in. It's to put them 1586 01:32:23,130 --> 01:32:26,520 hide them, put them in shelters, and then I get this from 1587 01:32:26,520 --> 01:32:28,980 Chicago, Illinois, one of our producers said he's going to 1588 01:32:28,980 --> 01:32:33,630 apply for this operations focal point flight management in 1589 01:32:33,630 --> 01:32:36,750 Chicago International Organization for Migration, also 1590 01:32:36,750 --> 01:32:39,960 known as the IOM, Amy Pope, former State Department shell 1591 01:32:40,290 --> 01:32:43,740 was running that, what exactly will you do in this? What are 1592 01:32:43,740 --> 01:32:48,390 the responsibilities for this candidate, which is $5,500 per 1593 01:32:48,390 --> 01:32:52,740 month, actually 5508 33 undertake flight management 1594 01:32:52,740 --> 01:32:56,160 activities and an assigned area such as leading teams as they 1595 01:32:56,160 --> 01:32:59,220 meet and assist flights, meeting and assisting small groups and 1596 01:32:59,220 --> 01:33:01,620 individual arrivals organizing transit and ground 1597 01:33:01,620 --> 01:33:04,380 transportation, transportation, undertaking air ticket 1598 01:33:04,380 --> 01:33:06,900 validation procedures and completing administrative duties 1599 01:33:06,900 --> 01:33:10,230 as required, monitor and guide teams of Operation clerks and 1600 01:33:10,230 --> 01:33:12,750 operations assistance in completing flight management 1601 01:33:12,750 --> 01:33:18,240 activities. This is this is an this is an a job from the United 1602 01:33:18,240 --> 01:33:22,770 Nations job. Yeah, International Office Organization for 1603 01:33:22,770 --> 01:33:25,350 Migration in Chicago. Why'd 1604 01:33:25,350 --> 01:33:27,960 John C Dvorak: it why don't we just throw the United Nations 1605 01:33:27,960 --> 01:33:32,010 out of the country? This is this operation is out to get us. 1606 01:33:32,580 --> 01:33:36,060 Adam Curry: Yes, that well, no, they're not out to get us. They 1607 01:33:36,060 --> 01:33:39,420 are doing this because they know that we need to meet that $7 1608 01:33:39,420 --> 01:33:44,760 trillion. Mark that the Oh, the Office of? Was it the OCT No, 1609 01:33:44,760 --> 01:33:51,000 the OCB the the accounting office of the government. They 1610 01:33:51,000 --> 01:33:53,850 said we had that report. This is Oh, looks like we'll have a 1611 01:33:53,850 --> 01:33:57,030 windfall as long as we keep my grace. If Jerome Powell, the 1612 01:33:57,030 --> 01:34:01,320 Federal Reserve, Federal Reserve chief say No, it's great. 1613 01:34:01,320 --> 01:34:03,750 Immigration is great. It's great. It's what we need. We got 1614 01:34:03,750 --> 01:34:07,830 smart ones come and they're Chinese man. We got the smart 1615 01:34:07,830 --> 01:34:09,960 ones. They weren't cheap. They're smart, they're 1616 01:34:09,960 --> 01:34:13,830 motivated. The coming across the border, the clothes are clean, 1617 01:34:13,830 --> 01:34:18,030 their shoes are clean. They taken an Uber. We're being 1618 01:34:18,030 --> 01:34:23,520 screwed. And so And here's NPR just to back it up that the 1619 01:34:23,520 --> 01:34:26,850 migrant crossings are down because the money is drying up 1620 01:34:26,850 --> 01:34:28,950 John C Dvorak: the number of migrants trying to cross the US 1621 01:34:28,980 --> 01:34:33,330 Mexico border went down by 50% in January sounds like a pretty 1622 01:34:33,360 --> 01:34:35,940 significant drop. Why did that happen? It 1623 01:34:35,940 --> 01:34:38,970 Unknown: is a pretty steep dip. I mean for context in December, 1624 01:34:38,970 --> 01:34:43,230 authorities encountered over 249,000 migrants crossing the 1625 01:34:43,230 --> 01:34:46,950 border unauthorized. That's the highest monthly total ever 1626 01:34:46,980 --> 01:34:50,580 recorded. According to preliminary statistics by the 1627 01:34:50,580 --> 01:34:54,480 Department of Homeland Security in January they encountered over 1628 01:34:54,480 --> 01:35:01,140 124,000 Why is that border crossings are very cyclical in 1629 01:35:01,140 --> 01:35:04,290 January is a slow month because of weather. But think about 1630 01:35:04,290 --> 01:35:07,170 what's been going on in the US in the last few months. All 1631 01:35:07,170 --> 01:35:10,440 these really heated arguments about the need to increase 1632 01:35:10,440 --> 01:35:14,310 border enforcement and deportations. I spoke to Adam 1633 01:35:14,310 --> 01:35:17,550 Isakson from the Washington office on Latin America about 1634 01:35:17,580 --> 01:35:21,960 how that sparked rumors that the US was closing down its border. 1635 01:35:22,350 --> 01:35:25,110 Adam Curry: Migrants for this is a lie. By the way, this is the 1636 01:35:25,110 --> 01:35:30,150 National Public Radio lie. It's because the money is not being 1637 01:35:30,150 --> 01:35:34,110 passed without the money. All these groups can operate. But 1638 01:35:34,110 --> 01:35:37,050 okay, let's just say oh, yeah, oh, people are scared because 1639 01:35:37,050 --> 01:35:40,230 Oh, things are weird. And Washington, wildly 1640 01:35:40,230 --> 01:35:43,350 Unknown: busy. They know that something was going to happen at 1641 01:35:43,350 --> 01:35:46,560 the end of December, then you had to get in before the end of 1642 01:35:46,560 --> 01:35:50,940 the year. That's the budget end. It's a combination of word of 1643 01:35:50,940 --> 01:35:55,890 mouth, and also some messaging from smugglers saying, Go now go 1644 01:35:55,890 --> 01:35:57,870 now be my customer now. So 1645 01:35:57,870 --> 01:36:01,170 basically, it led to a let's get ahead of this and run in 1646 01:36:01,170 --> 01:36:03,990 December, and then a drop in January. 1647 01:36:04,020 --> 01:36:07,830 Was there any change in US enforcement on the border that 1648 01:36:07,830 --> 01:36:10,530 could have led to it? Well, Homeland Security Secretary 1649 01:36:10,530 --> 01:36:14,130 Alejandro Mayorkas has said border enforcement agents didn't 1650 01:36:14,130 --> 01:36:17,550 have the funding to secure the border in the month of December. 1651 01:36:17,550 --> 01:36:21,810 So that's why you saw such high numbers. Congress has failed to 1652 01:36:21,810 --> 01:36:24,930 provide additional funding for major changes in border 1653 01:36:24,930 --> 01:36:26,430 enforcement and money 1654 01:36:26,430 --> 01:36:27,840 Adam Curry: for these organizations. 1655 01:36:27,870 --> 01:36:31,260 Unknown: So what we're seeing again, is seasonal dips, rumors 1656 01:36:31,260 --> 01:36:35,910 of a border shut down and some more enforcement in Mexico. Also 1657 01:36:35,910 --> 01:36:39,330 the Biden administration restarted deportation flights 1658 01:36:39,330 --> 01:36:42,930 back to Venezuela and other countries which have sent a 1659 01:36:42,930 --> 01:36:43,770 message 1660 01:36:43,800 --> 01:36:46,830 Adam Curry: remember that there's a global appeal going on 1661 01:36:46,830 --> 01:36:50,310 by Amy Pope for the IOM complex 1662 01:36:50,310 --> 01:36:54,330 Unknown: situations are driving higher levels of migration all 1663 01:36:54,360 --> 01:36:58,380 over the world. They are delivering new challenges that 1664 01:36:58,380 --> 01:37:02,520 test our existing ways of working and require a much more 1665 01:37:02,520 --> 01:37:07,080 strategic approach in both the short term and the long term. It 1666 01:37:07,080 --> 01:37:10,950 brings us to a critical moment, not just for IOM or our member 1667 01:37:10,950 --> 01:37:15,870 states, but for the people that we serve. For those who have 1668 01:37:15,870 --> 01:37:20,340 moved for those who are going to move or those who will be on the 1669 01:37:20,340 --> 01:37:25,890 move in the future. The world is increasingly relying on IOM, and 1670 01:37:25,890 --> 01:37:29,880 our budget has grown but the need for our help has grown even 1671 01:37:29,880 --> 01:37:30,480 faster. 1672 01:37:30,690 --> 01:37:35,760 Adam Curry: So MC send us money $7.9 billion she needs and then 1673 01:37:35,760 --> 01:37:39,360 this okay, well, we don't have them coming in from the border. 1674 01:37:39,360 --> 01:37:44,070 So according to The Washington Post WaPo DHS is planning a mass 1675 01:37:44,070 --> 01:37:52,050 release of illegals. quintain poor workers. But what to be 1676 01:37:52,050 --> 01:37:59,100 cheap to be cheap here. The Washington Post supports the US 1677 01:37:59,100 --> 01:38:01,680 Immigration and Customs Enforcement has drafted plans to 1678 01:38:01,680 --> 01:38:05,610 release 1000s of immigrants and slash its capacity to hold 1679 01:38:05,610 --> 01:38:09,000 detainees after the failure of a Senate border bill that would 1680 01:38:09,000 --> 01:38:13,530 have you raised $700 million of budget shortfall. They're out of 1681 01:38:13,530 --> 01:38:21,630 money. I mean that and meanwhile, we're making our kids 1682 01:38:21,630 --> 01:38:26,640 trans we're giving them cereal that is killing them. Making 1683 01:38:26,640 --> 01:38:29,760 them not work the sex organs aren't working and when and 1684 01:38:29,760 --> 01:38:33,810 they're all afraid of climate change. So this is what you get 1685 01:38:33,810 --> 01:38:36,360 we have about nine months until the election people should start 1686 01:38:36,360 --> 01:38:39,750 making babies really quick. It's good to have people this 1687 01:38:39,750 --> 01:38:43,530 John C Dvorak: brings me to a kind of a propagandist good news 1688 01:38:43,530 --> 01:38:48,960 clip which I early no it this was part of I was I had it was a 1689 01:38:48,960 --> 01:38:52,260 decision making process as to what clip I was gonna play at 1690 01:38:52,260 --> 01:38:55,470 the end. Okay. Okay, but this one has to do with what you were 1691 01:38:55,470 --> 01:38:58,290 talking about now and I think it's the time to play it because 1692 01:38:58,290 --> 01:39:01,860 it's not that great of a clip anyway. Just the longer of the 1693 01:39:01,860 --> 01:39:08,010 two all right. I want to this is the Haitian immigrant This is a 1694 01:39:08,010 --> 01:39:12,270 proper I looked at this clip and I said this is a kind of a piece 1695 01:39:12,270 --> 01:39:16,950 of propaganda where a woman in Brookline is and among others as 1696 01:39:16,950 --> 01:39:20,430 being encouraged to take in immigrants this is like a thing 1697 01:39:20,430 --> 01:39:24,300 that's going to be pushed this is my thought on this is going 1698 01:39:24,300 --> 01:39:27,960 to be pushed take in an immigrant in this case she could 1699 01:39:27,960 --> 01:39:31,800 take in she took in a Haitian family, who now is their 1700 01:39:31,800 --> 01:39:36,990 servants be servants. cooks for Oh 1701 01:39:37,020 --> 01:39:39,240 Adam Curry: wait, I think I'm gonna get in on this action. I'm 1702 01:39:39,240 --> 01:39:42,150 loving I'm liking this look after the dog walk the dog. 1703 01:39:42,750 --> 01:39:43,530 Yeah, dog. 1704 01:39:43,560 --> 01:39:46,440 John C Dvorak: I think there's an element of slavery involved 1705 01:39:46,440 --> 01:39:52,050 here. That's looks like it's good. Humanitarian. Humanitarian 1706 01:39:52,050 --> 01:39:54,150 slavery is the only way I can describe it. Here we go. 1707 01:39:54,180 --> 01:39:57,090 Unknown: She felt bad as any mother would. Now things are 1708 01:39:57,090 --> 01:39:59,970 looking much brighter as they've been welcomed into Lisa Helen. 1709 01:40:00,000 --> 01:40:05,880 and brands Brookline apartment to Nina is Moy. Leg re ora 1710 01:40:09,270 --> 01:40:16,470 Sullivan, and now Manyana Eileen. She says her daughter is 1711 01:40:16,470 --> 01:40:19,980 very happy when she wakes up in the morning she says, Hi, Lisa, 1712 01:40:20,220 --> 01:40:22,260 and everyone starts the day smiling. 1713 01:40:22,410 --> 01:40:26,550 It's white, and it's really fun having them. What I realized is 1714 01:40:26,550 --> 01:40:29,250 there's so much prejudice against refugees, mostly because 1715 01:40:29,250 --> 01:40:30,960 people don't know them. Lisa 1716 01:40:30,960 --> 01:40:33,990 says she feels like she has her own personal chef as well. Don 1717 01:40:33,990 --> 01:40:39,780 de loves cooking. Basilan says Cincy in fact, her goal is to 1718 01:40:39,780 --> 01:40:44,160 open up her own restaurant can open any food food store and the 1719 01:40:44,160 --> 01:40:46,860 couple has their work permits. And they've been taking English 1720 01:40:46,860 --> 01:40:47,790 classes Jul 1721 01:40:47,790 --> 01:40:52,230 John C Dvorak: phokeethra, who said well, Nami, dinero pasa 1722 01:40:52,890 --> 01:40:53,400 they're open 1723 01:40:53,400 --> 01:40:56,070 Unknown: to work anywhere to save money for their future. In 1724 01:40:56,070 --> 01:40:59,280 the meantime, they're enjoying their time with Lisa, their new 1725 01:40:59,280 --> 01:41:02,640 friend for life, and their daughter's new grandmother. 1726 01:41:02,700 --> 01:41:08,160 So what they are hardworking, they want to learn they want to 1727 01:41:08,160 --> 01:41:13,110 be successful. And I feel great helping and I get to understand 1728 01:41:13,380 --> 01:41:16,380 the refugee crisis from the inside. Lisa 1729 01:41:16,380 --> 01:41:19,140 says she's so impressed by the number of people she's met right 1730 01:41:19,140 --> 01:41:21,990 here at Brookline townhall meetings who've been stepping up 1731 01:41:21,990 --> 01:41:25,230 and hosting families. She's hopeful more will do the same in 1732 01:41:25,230 --> 01:41:29,190 the coming days and weeks. in Brookline, Erin Logan, NBC 10 1733 01:41:29,190 --> 01:41:29,730 Boston. 1734 01:41:30,570 --> 01:41:32,490 All right, the need for more migrant shelters in 1735 01:41:32,490 --> 01:41:35,070 Massachusetts is something we've been following really closely. 1736 01:41:35,100 --> 01:41:37,320 You can find more information about this and find out how you 1737 01:41:37,320 --> 01:41:41,310 can actually help on our website, NBC 10 boston.com. Good 1738 01:41:41,310 --> 01:41:46,440 news. Good news. Good news. Good news. Good news. Well, 1739 01:41:46,440 --> 01:41:49,410 Adam Curry: I think okay, I think that they should put into 1740 01:41:49,410 --> 01:41:52,050 the night, here's how you get the bill passed. Mike Johnson, 1741 01:41:52,410 --> 01:41:55,800 you put in there that you will pay me as an American citizen to 1742 01:41:55,800 --> 01:42:00,510 take in one of these families to be my servants. Now you've got a 1743 01:42:00,510 --> 01:42:04,080 plan. I got some nice. When would 1744 01:42:04,080 --> 01:42:07,170 John C Dvorak: you have to? What, what amount of money would 1745 01:42:07,170 --> 01:42:12,180 it take for you to do the to do that? Oh, not much. To say it's 1746 01:42:12,180 --> 01:42:15,270 a family. husband, wife and two kids? No, no, 1747 01:42:15,300 --> 01:42:17,730 Adam Curry: no, no. The kids. I don't want kids. I can only have 1748 01:42:17,730 --> 01:42:21,450 husband. Why have any kid no kids, husband and wife. And you 1749 01:42:21,450 --> 01:42:27,750 know, she can cook and clean and he can stand guard or garden 1750 01:42:27,930 --> 01:42:32,430 with a Oh can garden in San Jose with an AR 15 and garden a 1751 01:42:32,430 --> 01:42:36,180 little bit? Yeah, keep the other immigrants away. Walk The Dog, 1752 01:42:36,240 --> 01:42:44,580 you know, mark the duck keep the immigrants like this, you know. 1753 01:42:44,610 --> 01:42:44,850 So? 1754 01:42:45,330 --> 01:42:47,190 John C Dvorak: Again, I asked the question, how much wood 1755 01:42:47,430 --> 01:42:48,180 would it take? 1756 01:42:48,720 --> 01:42:50,400 Adam Curry: How much? Look? Come 1757 01:42:50,400 --> 01:42:51,210 John C Dvorak: on. Give me a number. 1758 01:42:51,780 --> 01:42:55,170 Adam Curry: I'll take the 5050 500 a month. That's 1759 01:42:55,170 --> 01:42:59,220 reasonable. Yeah, I think is very reasonable. Yeah. And I'll 1760 01:42:59,220 --> 01:43:02,670 be helping out society. Yeah. And I'll be learning about the 1761 01:43:02,670 --> 01:43:04,590 immigrant crisis from the inside. 1762 01:43:05,160 --> 01:43:08,820 John C Dvorak: Yeah, exactly. And you learn a little Spanish 1763 01:43:09,180 --> 01:43:11,730 learns. By the way, I thought the Haitians always spoke 1764 01:43:11,730 --> 01:43:12,150 French. 1765 01:43:12,900 --> 01:43:15,090 Adam Curry: She was speaking French. She wasn't speaking 1766 01:43:15,090 --> 01:43:18,660 Spanish. She wasn't a French I've ever heard. It was. It was 1767 01:43:18,690 --> 01:43:24,600 a finish. It was kind of in between. But it Haitians, they 1768 01:43:24,600 --> 01:43:27,570 didn't make it. They kind of have the same kitchen as 1769 01:43:27,570 --> 01:43:30,720 Jamaicans. So they got like jerk chicken and stuff. Yeah, they 1770 01:43:30,720 --> 01:43:34,920 probably make terrific food. My bed is great. Now, this would be 1771 01:43:34,920 --> 01:43:41,040 fantastic. Well, well, that's, that would solve the crisis now 1772 01:43:41,070 --> 01:43:43,980 and now their kids. I mean, they just have to leave me in Haiti. 1773 01:43:44,610 --> 01:43:48,540 Can't bring them over here. This is the thinking. I think you're 1774 01:43:48,540 --> 01:43:51,600 onto something. There is an element of slavery going on 1775 01:43:51,600 --> 01:43:56,970 here. Yes, totally. But again, the bankers, the true owners, 1776 01:43:57,030 --> 01:44:02,340 and you know, if you look at the IMF, yeah, there's credits that 1777 01:44:02,340 --> 01:44:05,970 each country gives, but it's institutions. And it's big 1778 01:44:05,970 --> 01:44:10,380 banks, and it's big money. And they lend out and they lend out 1779 01:44:10,380 --> 01:44:14,880 to all these poor countries. And if you don't pay, you know, you 1780 01:44:14,880 --> 01:44:18,090 pay back Oh, you gotta pay Oh, you got up austerity. So they 1781 01:44:18,090 --> 01:44:22,710 like controlling everything. And they like to have control over 1782 01:44:22,740 --> 01:44:26,400 where people live and where the money goes. And so that's why 1783 01:44:26,400 --> 01:44:30,420 they're encouraging this, this immigration into America and 1784 01:44:30,420 --> 01:44:34,200 into Europe. Otherwise, they know that they you know, there's 1785 01:44:34,200 --> 01:44:37,590 no more children being it's just not enough. This is what the 1786 01:44:37,590 --> 01:44:41,430 former New York banker told me, We beat China, because our 1787 01:44:41,430 --> 01:44:44,550 population is growing is so good, that they're sending their 1788 01:44:44,760 --> 01:44:52,140 healthy military aged men to us. Because a few bits is the start. 1789 01:44:53,640 --> 01:44:56,430 It's the beginning. That's what's going on. It's nothing 1790 01:44:56,430 --> 01:44:59,850 else. It's not like they're going to it's not going to spies 1791 01:44:59,850 --> 01:45:03,150 and I take over the country from the inside. No, it's great here. 1792 01:45:03,240 --> 01:45:05,850 We just need people who can work who want to work cheap. 1793 01:45:06,480 --> 01:45:09,030 John C Dvorak: Yeah, and they don't expect $100,000 a year you 1794 01:45:09,030 --> 01:45:10,260 right out of high school. 1795 01:45:10,260 --> 01:45:13,020 Adam Curry: Exactly. And these people, they don't want to be 1796 01:45:13,020 --> 01:45:21,270 influencers. They don't want to be YouTubers an influencer, 1797 01:45:21,420 --> 01:45:23,850 these people don't want to do that. That's what's going on. 1798 01:45:23,880 --> 01:45:29,340 That is the reality of our world people. And you know what? That 1799 01:45:29,340 --> 01:45:33,060 problem is, we get such hardened hearts by what's going on and we 1800 01:45:33,060 --> 01:45:36,630 have no compassion. This at least is compassionate. Well, 1801 01:45:36,840 --> 01:45:37,290 we're talking 1802 01:45:37,290 --> 01:45:39,900 John C Dvorak: about compassion. I have I have a new series of 1803 01:45:39,900 --> 01:45:41,700 clips called crap collection. 1804 01:45:41,730 --> 01:45:44,790 Adam Curry: Oh, we need a jingle for that. Yeah, somebody 1805 01:45:44,790 --> 01:45:45,630 John C Dvorak: should come up with that. 1806 01:45:45,660 --> 01:45:48,600 Adam Curry: Okay, Crap. Crap collection. All right. 1807 01:45:48,930 --> 01:45:51,360 John C Dvorak: I have two clips for today's collection. Oh, 1808 01:45:51,360 --> 01:45:55,980 good. They're just pathetic. I've said this before about Drew 1809 01:45:55,980 --> 01:46:00,870 Barrymore. I think she's a phony. Don't like her show. 1810 01:46:01,230 --> 01:46:06,240 She's too much you actually watch the show. I catch it once 1811 01:46:06,240 --> 01:46:10,260 in a while and I before it by county freeze in time, my jaw 1812 01:46:10,260 --> 01:46:14,400 drops and I can't get to the set to turn it off fast enough to 1813 01:46:14,400 --> 01:46:18,300 hear this was fun around the internet this clip when 1814 01:46:18,300 --> 01:46:21,420 Adam Curry: I Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait and toss to it 1815 01:46:21,420 --> 01:46:22,050 properly. 1816 01:46:22,290 --> 01:46:28,710 John C Dvorak: I'm doing what I I didn't, weren't? Yeah. She's 1817 01:46:28,710 --> 01:46:32,970 with Michelle Obama. Oh, big mind. She's got Michelle's new 1818 01:46:32,970 --> 01:46:37,530 book in her hands. And I don't know what the books about it. 1819 01:46:37,530 --> 01:46:39,660 This could be an old clip when Michelle first came out with 1820 01:46:39,660 --> 01:46:42,000 another book, but I don't know. But this is the kind of thing 1821 01:46:42,000 --> 01:46:45,450 that bugs me about Drew Barrymore. She's full of crap 1822 01:46:45,600 --> 01:46:48,630 full of herself. She's too much. 1823 01:46:48,660 --> 01:46:51,480 Unknown: But when I was reading this book at night, and coming 1824 01:46:51,480 --> 01:46:54,000 home from work, which we take with us, so anyone who 1825 01:46:54,000 --> 01:46:57,240 compartmentalizes you know, personal and professional, my 1826 01:46:57,240 --> 01:47:00,270 hat's off to you, because usually it bleeds all together 1827 01:47:00,270 --> 01:47:05,850 for me and I would hold your book to my chest at night. And I 1828 01:47:05,850 --> 01:47:11,640 would wish that I was in your family that you were my mom or 1829 01:47:11,640 --> 01:47:15,150 my sister and I I feel like everybody feels like that. 1830 01:47:20,610 --> 01:47:22,890 Adam Curry: Yeah, that's what she does. Remember the Dylan 1831 01:47:22,890 --> 01:47:25,890 Mulvaney. And she got it. All very well, 1832 01:47:25,890 --> 01:47:29,850 John C Dvorak: you veiny she's on her knees to Dylan. Oh, 1833 01:47:29,850 --> 01:47:33,750 Adam Curry: you're so wonderful as a girl. And so the other 1834 01:47:33,750 --> 01:47:37,230 John C Dvorak: crap clip I have for today is this one, I think 1835 01:47:37,230 --> 01:47:40,080 came up from it. Somebody posted this somewhere. I didn't get it 1836 01:47:40,080 --> 01:47:42,960 from the show. Because I don't really watch Stephen Colbert 1837 01:47:42,960 --> 01:47:46,350 that much. But this is Stephen. This is an example. This is 1838 01:47:46,350 --> 01:47:49,860 beyond Trump derangement syndrome. This is a person who 1839 01:47:49,860 --> 01:47:57,930 needs needs serious help. Yeah. Just jumping the gun you want me 1840 01:47:57,930 --> 01:47:59,370 to get through these clips? Here we go play. 1841 01:47:59,400 --> 01:48:03,660 Unknown: I know. I know how numb we've become. But it's not 1842 01:48:03,660 --> 01:48:07,140 normal. No other candidates for the presidency has ever had to 1843 01:48:07,140 --> 01:48:09,780 pause this campaign to defend themselves in multiple courts. 1844 01:48:09,990 --> 01:48:12,240 And I would like to point out that in all seven of his cases, 1845 01:48:12,330 --> 01:48:16,530 no one no one doubts that he did these things are just sitting 1846 01:48:16,530 --> 01:48:19,230 around patiently waiting to find out if the wheels of justice 1847 01:48:19,230 --> 01:48:22,170 will grind fast enough for there to be any consequences. And the 1848 01:48:22,170 --> 01:48:25,200 media is covering it like as any other political story like it's 1849 01:48:25,200 --> 01:48:27,330 all horse race. Wow. 1850 01:48:28,530 --> 01:48:35,340 Adam Curry: Steven. Steven spun up called bear. Wow. That's not 1851 01:48:35,340 --> 01:48:37,500 fun. He's not funny. Well, I 1852 01:48:37,530 --> 01:48:38,250 John C Dvorak: lost it. 1853 01:48:38,280 --> 01:48:40,290 Adam Curry: I have some crap clips if you're gonna do that. I 1854 01:48:40,290 --> 01:48:41,220 mean, yes, I 1855 01:48:41,220 --> 01:48:42,810 John C Dvorak: was. I love crap clip. Just 1856 01:48:42,810 --> 01:48:45,600 Adam Curry: CNN this morning. S. E. Cupp haven't heard from her 1857 01:48:45,600 --> 01:48:46,560 in a while. This is a 1858 01:48:46,560 --> 01:48:49,380 Unknown: really amazing trick that Donald Trump managed to 1859 01:48:49,380 --> 01:48:53,340 pull off. First, he managed to get conservatives to stop caring 1860 01:48:53,340 --> 01:48:57,210 about conservatism. Then he got Christians to stop caring about 1861 01:48:57,210 --> 01:49:00,450 like Scripture, the Bible, what would Jesus do now? Jesus is 1862 01:49:00,450 --> 01:49:00,690 Whoa, 1863 01:49:02,250 --> 01:49:05,400 Adam Curry: whoa, hold on a second. I missed the memo. Jesus 1864 01:49:05,400 --> 01:49:06,540 is woke. Alright, so you 1865 01:49:06,720 --> 01:49:10,350 Unknown: got Republicans and Americans to stop caring about 1866 01:49:10,380 --> 01:49:14,910 America and what democracy should mean she talking Trump 1867 01:49:15,000 --> 01:49:19,290 since he got, you know, the patriotic, you know, military 1868 01:49:19,290 --> 01:49:24,060 loving, far right to stop caring about national security and 1869 01:49:24,330 --> 01:49:28,680 caring about our servicemen and women, our troops. I mean, it's 1870 01:49:28,710 --> 01:49:33,960 it's a feat. What Donald Trump has done to the right in this 1871 01:49:33,960 --> 01:49:35,820 country in a very short period of time. 1872 01:49:36,750 --> 01:49:38,190 Adam Curry: Is is amazing. 1873 01:49:38,370 --> 01:49:40,260 John C Dvorak: What is she talking about? A 1874 01:49:40,260 --> 01:49:42,870 Adam Curry: feat a feat? I think she's talking about this clip 1875 01:49:42,870 --> 01:49:44,340 from NBC about feet. 1876 01:49:45,960 --> 01:49:48,780 Unknown: Donald Trump out of the courthouse and back on the road 1877 01:49:48,780 --> 01:49:53,640 tonight. Big crowd appearing at sneaker con in Philadelphia. 1878 01:49:53,700 --> 01:49:57,390 We're going to remember the young people and we're going to 1879 01:49:57,390 --> 01:50:01,710 remember sneaker con, your stick Go ahead. Less 1880 01:50:01,710 --> 01:50:05,250 than 24 hours after a New York judge ordered Trump and his 1881 01:50:05,250 --> 01:50:10,110 company to pay more than $350 million in damages for years of 1882 01:50:10,110 --> 01:50:13,230 fraudulent business practices and lying about the value of his 1883 01:50:13,230 --> 01:50:17,370 properties. The former president took today to promote a money 1884 01:50:17,370 --> 01:50:21,180 making deal, having struck a naming rights agreement for a 1885 01:50:21,180 --> 01:50:24,660 limited edition sneaker line, the most expensive pair in the 1886 01:50:24,660 --> 01:50:29,370 series selling for $399 That's the real deal. 1887 01:50:30,900 --> 01:50:32,280 That's the real deal. 1888 01:50:33,240 --> 01:50:35,910 Adam Curry: There's never a report about Air Jordans. 1889 01:50:36,750 --> 01:50:41,880 Costing five $600 Ba No Trump he's at sneaker con. No less. 1890 01:50:42,390 --> 01:50:46,860 This guy knows how to market sneaker con. We need sneakers no 1891 01:50:46,860 --> 01:50:51,480 agenda shop we need sneakers. No agenda sneakers? Yeah, we should 1892 01:50:51,480 --> 01:50:56,160 have sneakers. One of the kids love it. They buy him they trade 1893 01:50:56,160 --> 01:51:00,180 him was great. No agenda sneakers? I don't think 1894 01:51:00,750 --> 01:51:03,780 John C Dvorak: yes, yeah. They have a new value. We're gonna 1895 01:51:03,780 --> 01:51:07,230 finish your thought and I have there's a cure for some cancer. 1896 01:51:07,650 --> 01:51:11,520 Adam Curry: So I was not ready to go to cancer. I was I was 1897 01:51:11,520 --> 01:51:13,260 going to stay with Trump for a moment. 1898 01:51:13,770 --> 01:51:15,330 John C Dvorak: Well, I have the three by three if you want to do 1899 01:51:15,330 --> 01:51:19,470 Trump's the you have stupid York case. Oh, 1900 01:51:19,950 --> 01:51:21,390 Adam Curry: you got funny Willis. 1901 01:51:22,470 --> 01:51:24,750 John C Dvorak: No, no, this is the New York case where he got 1902 01:51:24,750 --> 01:51:29,100 fined $350 million. Well let me he's broke let me get a few 1903 01:51:29,100 --> 01:51:31,680 final guys breeze broke. So let's find the three to 50 me 1904 01:51:31,680 --> 01:51:32,100 let me do the 1905 01:51:32,100 --> 01:51:34,770 Adam Curry: funny Willis first because that's funny. That's 1906 01:51:34,770 --> 01:51:36,420 just fun. And I don't have any 1907 01:51:37,710 --> 01:51:42,030 John C Dvorak: funny by way when it become funny. Where's the W? 1908 01:51:42,180 --> 01:51:44,580 Adam Curry: Because Fannie doesn't sound right and it sound 1909 01:51:44,580 --> 01:51:47,340 does and the BBC can't say Fannie Yeah, it's 1910 01:51:47,340 --> 01:51:49,080 John C Dvorak: a comment I can make right there. That would be 1911 01:51:49,080 --> 01:51:50,910 quite offensive. 1912 01:51:51,540 --> 01:51:55,470 Adam Curry: We know that an in Britain Fanny is is not a word. 1913 01:51:55,470 --> 01:51:59,640 You could say on the on the radio buttocks? No, not no. In 1914 01:51:59,670 --> 01:52:05,760 England Fanny is Valjean. Is that right? Yes, the vagina is 1915 01:52:05,760 --> 01:52:13,380 Fanny in in England. I know. Those guys are very confused. 1916 01:52:15,390 --> 01:52:19,170 Just so you know. You got it wrong Brits. It's the wrong side 1917 01:52:19,170 --> 01:52:23,610 just saying. So this is Anderson three Cooper with Tom Foreman. 1918 01:52:24,480 --> 01:52:28,530 Unknown: A stunning and fiery day in court. County District 1919 01:52:28,530 --> 01:52:32,970 Attorney Fani Willis took the stand to defend herself and her 1920 01:52:32,970 --> 01:52:33,690 case 1921 01:52:33,750 --> 01:52:37,230 to confuse you think I'm on trial. These people are on trial 1922 01:52:37,230 --> 01:52:39,570 for trying to steal an election in 2020. In 1923 01:52:39,570 --> 01:52:42,960 one explosive exchange after another, she explained her 1924 01:52:42,960 --> 01:52:47,340 romantic relationship with the prosecutor she hired to lead the 1925 01:52:47,340 --> 01:52:51,210 election fraud case. And she tore into the legal team around 1926 01:52:51,210 --> 01:52:54,180 former President Trump and his allies 1927 01:52:54,210 --> 01:52:56,790 is highly offensive when someone lies on you. And it's highly 1928 01:52:56,790 --> 01:52:59,640 offensive when they implicate that you slept with somebody the 1929 01:52:59,640 --> 01:53:02,070 first day you met with him and I take exception to 1930 01:53:02,550 --> 01:53:07,230 at issue in the hearing were two key questions. First, when did 1931 01:53:07,230 --> 01:53:10,800 her romantic relationship with special prosecutor Nathan Wade 1932 01:53:10,800 --> 01:53:11,640 begin? 1933 01:53:11,790 --> 01:53:22,560 Let's be clear. 2022 was the start of any intimate, sexual 1934 01:53:22,560 --> 01:53:24,690 relationship with a district attorney. 1935 01:53:24,990 --> 01:53:27,420 While Wade testified that the Romans started when the 1936 01:53:27,420 --> 01:53:30,870 investigation of Trump and his co defendants was well underway. 1937 01:53:31,110 --> 01:53:35,880 A one time mutual friend Robin URI insisted it started way back 1938 01:53:35,880 --> 01:53:37,560 in 2019. 1939 01:53:37,680 --> 01:53:40,740 Adam Curry: Did you observe them do things that are 1940 01:53:42,330 --> 01:53:44,520 Unknown: common among people having a romantic 1941 01:53:44,520 --> 01:53:48,900 relationship? Yes, such as Can you give us an example? 1942 01:53:52,170 --> 01:53:57,750 Hugging kissing this objection, Will is his take at that time 1943 01:53:57,750 --> 01:54:01,020 she and Wade were friends nothing more. And as for that 1944 01:54:01,020 --> 01:54:02,460 contrary testimony, 1945 01:54:02,670 --> 01:54:07,140 I had not spoken to Robin in over a year. I certainly do not 1946 01:54:07,140 --> 01:54:08,760 consider her a friend now. 1947 01:54:08,850 --> 01:54:11,790 Adam Curry: Now I want to remind now, I want to remind everybody 1948 01:54:12,090 --> 01:54:17,970 that Mo said mo thermofax. He said, This is happening with 1949 01:54:17,970 --> 01:54:22,590 black women across the board. They put them in it was Dei, you 1950 01:54:22,590 --> 01:54:26,490 get the position now you gotta prove it. And otherwise you're 1951 01:54:26,490 --> 01:54:29,280 all out. You're all going to be taken down and this is the 1952 01:54:29,280 --> 01:54:34,050 destruction of a black woman in public. Because Trump can't be 1953 01:54:34,050 --> 01:54:38,010 taken down. She is going to be the fall guy for this. It'll be 1954 01:54:38,010 --> 01:54:42,420 her fault. And everyone just say, Oh, the black lady did that 1955 01:54:42,420 --> 01:54:45,810 is most position and I think he's right. What and I have 1956 01:54:45,810 --> 01:54:49,500 another clip. When I'm surprised by the I think it's in this clip 1957 01:54:49,500 --> 01:54:54,270 He keeps talking about Team Trump. Is it Trump's lawyers who 1958 01:54:54,270 --> 01:54:59,910 are isn't this isn't this a a case about a marriage isn't this 1959 01:54:59,910 --> 01:55:01,230 a divorce proceeding. 1960 01:55:02,610 --> 01:55:05,670 John C Dvorak: There's two proceedings going on this 1961 01:55:05,670 --> 01:55:10,020 particular proceeding and it's not Trump was one of the CO 1962 01:55:10,020 --> 01:55:15,810 defendants that brought this forward. And then did did the 1963 01:55:15,810 --> 01:55:20,520 other case, which is the divorce case, brought out the documents 1964 01:55:20,520 --> 01:55:23,490 that were necessary to write this. Yeah. So there's a 1965 01:55:23,490 --> 01:55:26,610 combination of things going on here and Trump's really not the 1966 01:55:26,610 --> 01:55:30,060 one involved but the way she sees everything's Trump's, 1967 01:55:30,270 --> 01:55:33,450 Unknown: but it's also the way Anderson 360 with Tom Foreman 1968 01:55:33,450 --> 01:55:36,930 sees it. The second key question, did the district 1969 01:55:36,930 --> 01:55:41,310 attorney financially benefit by choosing her romantic partner to 1970 01:55:41,310 --> 01:55:44,790 lead the election fraud case? Team Trump came in saying 1971 01:55:44,790 --> 01:55:47,760 weighed us money from that appointment to take Willis on 1972 01:55:47,760 --> 01:55:52,440 trips to California or Aruba, Belize, the Bahamas and more. 1973 01:55:52,620 --> 01:55:57,810 But hold on, Wade said Willis paid him back in cash for all 1974 01:55:57,810 --> 01:55:59,400 that travel alleges 1975 01:55:59,400 --> 01:56:04,350 that our travel was split roughly evenly a line 1976 01:56:04,350 --> 01:56:06,990 he held even as Team Trump drilled in 1977 01:56:07,110 --> 01:56:10,680 I'm sure you probably have the deposit slips, where you took 1978 01:56:10,680 --> 01:56:12,930 the cash and deposited the cash in your account. 1979 01:56:13,110 --> 01:56:15,630 You did not deposit the cash in America, you don't have 1980 01:56:15,630 --> 01:56:22,260 a single solitary deposit slip to corroborate or support any of 1981 01:56:22,260 --> 01:56:26,160 your allegations that you were paid by Mrs. Willis in cash. 1982 01:56:26,400 --> 01:56:31,620 Do you know Sir, not a single solitary one no matter what. And 1983 01:56:31,620 --> 01:56:34,950 Willis was right there with him dismissing the claims of 1984 01:56:34,950 --> 01:56:36,600 financial shenanigans. I mean, 1985 01:56:36,600 --> 01:56:40,110 I paid for the hotel, I paid for the flights. I had a birthday 1986 01:56:40,110 --> 01:56:43,200 luncheon for him. I paid for massages, I paid for everything. 1987 01:56:43,470 --> 01:56:47,820 And as for always repaying and many of my house, you have money 1988 01:56:47,820 --> 01:56:53,700 in your house, so I was there. When you meet my father, he was 1989 01:56:53,700 --> 01:56:57,390 known to you as a woman. You should always have, which I 1990 01:56:57,390 --> 01:56:59,940 don't have so let's don't tell him that. You should have at 1991 01:56:59,940 --> 01:57:03,120 least six months in cash at your house at all times. 1992 01:57:03,480 --> 01:57:07,110 She also batted down questions about sensitive personal matters 1993 01:57:07,140 --> 01:57:08,040 to characterization 1994 01:57:08,040 --> 01:57:10,800 emasculate a black man, but I'm just telling you, I'm sorry, 1995 01:57:10,800 --> 01:57:15,390 what? I'm not going to eat mask you late. A black man. Did you 1996 01:57:15,390 --> 01:57:15,960 understand that? 1997 01:57:16,140 --> 01:57:20,520 And slapped away so much of what team? Trump said. No, no, no, 1998 01:57:20,520 --> 01:57:20,790 no, 1999 01:57:20,820 --> 01:57:21,540 this is true. 2000 01:57:22,110 --> 01:57:26,700 Adam Curry: It is a lie. Man, she's talking about oh, 2001 01:57:26,700 --> 01:57:29,280 sometimes I have $9,000 in cash. 2002 01:57:29,640 --> 01:57:31,530 Unknown: Yes. She sounds like a drug dealer. 2003 01:57:32,820 --> 01:57:35,490 Adam Curry: And it's fungible. I had it from my campaign. 2004 01:57:35,910 --> 01:57:39,030 John C Dvorak: She's She, as you remember, you played a clip? 2005 01:57:39,480 --> 01:57:43,590 Just a short out of the blue clip where she said she skimmed 2006 01:57:43,590 --> 01:57:48,570 money from her campaign. Yeah. And did none of the media has 2007 01:57:48,570 --> 01:57:52,740 picked this up or said anything about it. This is a violation. 2008 01:57:52,860 --> 01:57:57,540 You can do your campaign. Money is not something you can just 2009 01:57:57,540 --> 01:57:58,290 pocket. 2010 01:57:59,310 --> 01:58:02,970 Adam Curry: I mean, it's it's sad because this is this is the 2011 01:58:03,000 --> 01:58:07,830 this is the end of the road for Dei. This is how it ends. You 2012 01:58:07,830 --> 01:58:09,630 gotta Yes, optimist. 2013 01:58:09,630 --> 01:58:11,310 John C Dvorak: You and me both know 2014 01:58:11,730 --> 01:58:15,690 Adam Curry: what I'm, it's, it's sad for these high profile, high 2015 01:58:15,690 --> 01:58:20,130 profile black women. And we'll see more of this. Then they're 2016 01:58:20,160 --> 01:58:23,400 the same people whose Oh, no. Oh, yes. We gotta have a black 2017 01:58:23,400 --> 01:58:26,160 woman on the Supreme Court got a black woman here black woman, a 2018 01:58:26,190 --> 01:58:29,070 black, black black woman, black woman. Now it's like the black 2019 01:58:29,070 --> 01:58:32,250 lady did it. That's what's happening here. But she 2020 01:58:32,250 --> 01:58:34,140 John C Dvorak: brought it on herself. And you saw it with 2021 01:58:34,140 --> 01:58:36,030 some sympathy for her 2022 01:58:36,030 --> 01:58:40,980 Adam Curry: Sunday. Halston the same way who gets taken down? To 2023 01:58:41,040 --> 01:58:42,930 Yes, this is my point. He's, 2024 01:58:43,290 --> 01:58:44,760 John C Dvorak: she was deluded. 2025 01:58:44,790 --> 01:58:48,180 Adam Curry: Yeah. Wow. But this is what's happening. I'm just 2026 01:58:48,180 --> 01:58:49,350 saying that Sonny 2027 01:58:49,350 --> 01:58:52,950 John C Dvorak: Hoskins is going nowhere. She tells a big you 2028 01:58:52,950 --> 01:58:57,720 know, a good salary working at the view. Yeah, I think that 2029 01:58:57,720 --> 01:59:00,300 that will pick and now lord it over her. That's right. 2030 01:59:00,750 --> 01:59:04,200 Adam Curry: That's right. We're watching the old cheers episode. 2031 01:59:04,200 --> 01:59:08,730 I keep looking at Ted Danson thinking really, man. Remember, 2032 01:59:08,760 --> 01:59:12,690 remember he did he didn't married you? They were dating? 2033 01:59:12,720 --> 01:59:14,490 John C Dvorak: No, no, it did. They broke up right after he 2034 01:59:14,490 --> 01:59:17,610 came into the party with blackface. That's right. 2035 01:59:17,790 --> 01:59:18,900 Adam Curry: Forgot about that. 2036 01:59:21,630 --> 01:59:24,900 John C Dvorak: Genius, genius. But that's one way to break up 2037 01:59:24,900 --> 01:59:26,010 with with Whoopi. 2038 01:59:26,670 --> 01:59:31,410 Adam Curry: So we can do I have a quick three parter on from NPR 2039 01:59:31,410 --> 01:59:36,450 which is very NPR ish about the tech companies in AI. And then 2040 01:59:36,450 --> 01:59:39,390 we then we could do three by three or three by three first, 2041 01:59:39,390 --> 01:59:40,050 whatever you want. 2042 01:59:41,280 --> 01:59:43,650 John C Dvorak: Three by we don't even does three by three is a 2043 01:59:43,650 --> 01:59:49,110 minor? A minor one except that. I'm always amused by the fact 2044 01:59:49,110 --> 01:59:51,780 that nobody wants to none of the mainstream media wants to 2045 01:59:51,780 --> 01:59:55,440 discuss the fact that most of this case in New York is fraud 2046 01:59:55,440 --> 01:59:59,970 case. It didn't defraud anybody. Nobody brought the case forward. 2047 02:00:00,000 --> 02:00:05,040 That's great. And the biggest element of it was the what they 2048 02:00:05,040 --> 02:00:11,250 consider a mis statement of the value of Mara Lago 2049 02:00:12,120 --> 02:00:14,880 Adam Curry: which is in Florida, which is in Florida, 2050 02:00:14,880 --> 02:00:16,170 John C Dvorak: which is got nothing to do with anything but 2051 02:00:16,170 --> 02:00:20,490 it has to do with his business doing dealings in New York. And 2052 02:00:20,520 --> 02:00:25,920 he says Mar a Lago, which is a monstrous facility in Palm Beach 2053 02:00:26,430 --> 02:00:31,170 is worth one point something billion, and the judge refuses 2054 02:00:31,170 --> 02:00:35,790 to accept that because it's really high. It's worth 18 2055 02:00:35,790 --> 02:00:40,380 million which is like as a house in San Francisco. And so I'm 2056 02:00:40,380 --> 02:00:44,880 thinking this three by three would be interesting to see if 2057 02:00:44,880 --> 02:00:48,300 we can spot somebody actually bringing that up. All right, was 2058 02:00:48,300 --> 02:00:48,660 done. 2059 02:00:50,100 --> 02:00:52,860 Adam Curry: Everybody was better I meant by a long running 2060 02:00:52,860 --> 02:00:55,980 experiment comparing stories from the scenes up. 2061 02:00:58,710 --> 02:00:59,640 Unknown: The never ending 2062 02:01:01,290 --> 02:01:04,020 Adam Curry: after three big networks plus, is there a plus? 2063 02:01:04,020 --> 02:01:07,080 Yes, yes, you have a plus you've got Turkish radio and television 2064 02:01:07,080 --> 02:01:10,890 plussing today, looks like your T TR T All right, let's listen 2065 02:01:10,890 --> 02:01:13,560 to the NAT pops the human pops. Let's see how it goes. As we 2066 02:01:13,560 --> 02:01:18,120 compare the big machine of News, ABC 2067 02:01:18,180 --> 02:01:20,280 Unknown: tonight's rolling strikes at the heart of Donald 2068 02:01:20,280 --> 02:01:22,950 Trump's image carefully crafted for decades, the former 2069 02:01:22,950 --> 02:01:27,090 president fined a staggering $355 million and banned from 2070 02:01:27,090 --> 02:01:29,880 doing business for three years in New York, the city where he 2071 02:01:29,880 --> 02:01:33,390 built his fortune and made his name the judge determining Trump 2072 02:01:33,390 --> 02:01:36,180 flagrantly overvalued his signature properties in order to 2073 02:01:36,180 --> 02:01:39,540 get favorable bank loans and insurance rates, things everyday 2074 02:01:39,540 --> 02:01:41,310 Americans would never get away with. 2075 02:01:42,270 --> 02:01:47,130 They have authored the art of the deal. But he perfected the 2076 02:01:47,130 --> 02:01:48,480 art of the steal. Oh, 2077 02:01:49,980 --> 02:01:52,560 Adam Curry: whoa, I hope everyone had that, quote. 2078 02:01:52,830 --> 02:01:56,940 Unknown: The court once again, ruled in our favor, and in favor 2079 02:01:56,940 --> 02:02:01,200 of every hardworking American who plays by the rules. The 2080 02:02:01,200 --> 02:02:04,710 most high profile examples of fraud the Trump Tower penthouse 2081 02:02:04,740 --> 02:02:07,980 the Trump Organization inflated its value by some $200 million 2082 02:02:08,370 --> 02:02:11,850 to clearing it was 30,000 square feet. But Trump signed a 2083 02:02:11,850 --> 02:02:15,990 document certifying it's a third that size 11,000 square feet. 2084 02:02:16,230 --> 02:02:18,900 And while Trump claimed his Mar a Lago resort was worth up to 2085 02:02:18,900 --> 02:02:23,370 $600 million. It's true assessed value was no more than 27 2086 02:02:23,370 --> 02:02:26,760 million. Today judge Arthur and Gore in writing Trump's complete 2087 02:02:26,760 --> 02:02:30,690 lack of contrition and remorse borders on pathological calling 2088 02:02:30,690 --> 02:02:35,040 Trump incapable of admitting the error of his ways. The former 2089 02:02:35,040 --> 02:02:39,060 President attended 10 days of the trial. Trial is ridiculous. 2090 02:02:39,150 --> 02:02:41,520 And on the witness stand he attacked judge and gore into his 2091 02:02:41,520 --> 02:02:45,300 face complaining This is a very unfair trial. I hope the public 2092 02:02:45,300 --> 02:02:47,700 is watching. It is ruling today the judge knocked Trump's 2093 02:02:47,700 --> 02:02:51,510 testimony for long irrelevant speeches, adding his refusal to 2094 02:02:51,510 --> 02:02:55,020 answer the questions directly or in some cases at all severely 2095 02:02:55,020 --> 02:02:58,920 compromised his credibility. Moments ago Trump lashing out 2096 02:02:59,910 --> 02:03:04,170 a sad day for lashing out in the country. A crooked New York 2097 02:03:04,170 --> 02:03:07,860 state judge just ruled that I have to pay a fine of $355 2098 02:03:07,860 --> 02:03:13,200 million for having built the perfect company. Great cash, 2099 02:03:13,230 --> 02:03:15,120 great buildings great everything 2100 02:03:15,300 --> 02:03:18,060 Adam Curry: question when so this of course goes to appeal 2101 02:03:18,090 --> 02:03:23,130 which is just because cost more money. Does he have to pay the 2102 02:03:23,130 --> 02:03:24,930 fine right away? Okay, does it wait until? 2103 02:03:25,260 --> 02:03:26,250 John C Dvorak: Of course not. All 2104 02:03:26,250 --> 02:03:27,030 Adam Curry: right. All right. So 2105 02:03:27,030 --> 02:03:28,080 John C Dvorak: it's just stalled. 2106 02:03:29,220 --> 02:03:31,860 Adam Curry: So this is another black woman who was pushed to 2107 02:03:31,860 --> 02:03:38,610 the forefront. This Leticia Leticia James, she's she's going 2108 02:03:38,610 --> 02:03:41,130 to take the fall for this too. You can see it coming down Main 2109 02:03:41,130 --> 02:03:41,640 Street 2110 02:03:43,500 --> 02:03:49,440 John C Dvorak: where she is very cocky. So let's go to NBC. 2111 02:03:50,460 --> 02:03:53,280 Unknown: Tonight a crushing blow to the Trump family's real 2112 02:03:53,280 --> 02:03:57,120 estate empire. A judge in New York handing down a more than 2113 02:03:57,120 --> 02:04:01,800 $350 million civil penalty against Donald Trump plus 2114 02:04:01,800 --> 02:04:05,190 interest for lying about his wealth for financial gain 2115 02:04:05,340 --> 02:04:09,060 barring him from obtaining loans in the state for three years 2116 02:04:09,180 --> 02:04:12,990 banning Mr. Trump's adult sons from running any company for two 2117 02:04:12,990 --> 02:04:15,840 years ordering they pay more than $4 million 2118 02:04:16,350 --> 02:04:20,460 each. Today justice has been served. Today we prove that no 2119 02:04:20,460 --> 02:04:21,810 one is above the law. Yeah. 2120 02:04:21,870 --> 02:04:24,150 The former president tonight assailing the 2121 02:04:24,150 --> 02:04:27,270 Adam Curry: decision was above the law. The Chinese were coming 2122 02:04:27,270 --> 02:04:30,000 in over the border. They're above the law that was above the 2123 02:04:30,000 --> 02:04:30,330 law, 2124 02:04:30,870 --> 02:04:33,690 Unknown: and slamming the suit brought by New York's democratic 2125 02:04:33,690 --> 02:04:34,590 Attorney General. 2126 02:04:34,800 --> 02:04:38,340 These are radical left Democrats. They're lunatics. And 2127 02:04:38,340 --> 02:04:41,280 it's election interference. If I weren't running, none of this 2128 02:04:41,280 --> 02:04:42,510 stuff would have ever happened 2129 02:04:42,570 --> 02:04:46,590 with no jury at trial, the ruling left solely in the hands 2130 02:04:46,590 --> 02:04:49,830 of Judge Arthur and Goren who decided the heart of the state's 2131 02:04:49,830 --> 02:04:53,550 fraud case months ago, finding the Trump family wrongly 2132 02:04:53,550 --> 02:04:57,450 exaggerated the value of some of its most iconic properties on 2133 02:04:57,450 --> 02:05:01,260 financial statements to receive better deals. On bank loans. 2134 02:05:01,320 --> 02:05:05,160 This trial was to sort out the penalty. Mr. Trump and his adult 2135 02:05:05,160 --> 02:05:08,370 children all took the witness stand in the hopes of Fending 2136 02:05:08,370 --> 02:05:11,520 off a decision with massive consequences for their real 2137 02:05:11,520 --> 02:05:14,610 estate portfolio and family legacy. 2138 02:05:14,790 --> 02:05:17,280 I became president because of the brand, Mr. 2139 02:05:17,280 --> 02:05:20,670 Trump's defense team arguing there was no victim. The banks 2140 02:05:20,670 --> 02:05:24,720 were repaid and testified they did not rely on Mr. Trump's 2141 02:05:24,720 --> 02:05:27,420 valuations. The former president's attorneys had 2142 02:05:27,420 --> 02:05:31,890 implored the judge not to impose a fine, akin to the corporate 2143 02:05:31,890 --> 02:05:35,130 death penalty. But today the judge writing quote, Donald 2144 02:05:35,130 --> 02:05:39,000 Trump is not Bernie Madoff, yet defendants are incapable of 2145 02:05:39,000 --> 02:05:43,230 admitting the error of their ways. Instead, they adopt a See 2146 02:05:43,230 --> 02:05:47,220 no evil, hear no evil speak no evil posture, that the evidence 2147 02:05:47,220 --> 02:05:49,770 belies I thought that they they literally 2148 02:05:49,770 --> 02:05:54,900 Adam Curry: compared them to Bernie. Bernie Madoff in a 2149 02:05:54,900 --> 02:05:57,990 different stage. I thought I heard that. 2150 02:05:58,230 --> 02:06:00,480 John C Dvorak: I don't remember that either. Yeah, I thought it 2151 02:06:00,480 --> 02:06:02,280 was. Well, if you can find it 2152 02:06:02,730 --> 02:06:09,030 Adam Curry: made off. Yeah, no, listen, listen to this. Ma. 2153 02:06:09,090 --> 02:06:10,920 Listen to this. Hold on a sec. I 2154 02:06:10,950 --> 02:06:13,740 Unknown: was sitting in court, and we were just leaving. 2155 02:06:14,040 --> 02:06:17,730 Everything was wrapping up. MSNBC, worrying right at the 2156 02:06:17,730 --> 02:06:22,410 end, the Attorney General had wrapped up their arguments and 2157 02:06:22,440 --> 02:06:26,730 judge and Goren had one question. And he looked at the 2158 02:06:26,730 --> 02:06:30,150 lawyer for the Attorney General and he says, How does this case 2159 02:06:30,150 --> 02:06:37,050 compare to Bernie made off? Ah, wow. And I went, Wow, 2160 02:06:37,350 --> 02:06:39,990 he literally he literally did that. 2161 02:06:42,180 --> 02:06:43,770 John C Dvorak: pretty poor reporting. 2162 02:06:44,190 --> 02:06:50,340 Adam Curry: What, from an NBC product. I'm surprised these 2163 02:06:50,340 --> 02:06:53,610 clips are too long. These are all almost two minutes. 2164 02:06:54,810 --> 02:06:58,710 John C Dvorak: I mean, yes. Well, I am going to rebuke the 2165 02:06:58,710 --> 02:07:03,630 Jones The Jones Jones boys for two clips that are too long, 2166 02:07:03,780 --> 02:07:04,350 especially for 2167 02:07:04,350 --> 02:07:07,440 Adam Curry: a three by three. It's just too long and there is 2168 02:07:07,440 --> 02:07:08,580 CBS the best one your 2169 02:07:08,580 --> 02:07:12,300 John C Dvorak: heart to cut down a Yeah, yeah, but let's listen 2170 02:07:12,300 --> 02:07:13,920 to the last two and then we'll be done. 2171 02:07:13,980 --> 02:07:15,690 Unknown: Thank you very much tonight 2172 02:07:15,690 --> 02:07:19,530 potentially crushing blow to Donald Trump's business empire 2173 02:07:19,530 --> 02:07:22,920 and bank account. The former president ordered to pay more 2174 02:07:22,920 --> 02:07:27,420 than $350 million and banned from running a business in New 2175 02:07:27,420 --> 02:07:31,410 York or applying for loans in the state for three years. His 2176 02:07:31,410 --> 02:07:35,220 two sons each fined $4 million and barred from doing business 2177 02:07:35,220 --> 02:07:38,220 in New York for two years. thrusting the leadership of the 2178 02:07:38,220 --> 02:07:42,090 family company into Peril being prohibited from doing business 2179 02:07:42,090 --> 02:07:45,480 in your home state or the state where you have so many 2180 02:07:45,480 --> 02:07:48,810 properties and so many business activities is an absolutely 2181 02:07:48,810 --> 02:07:51,990 devastating sanction. Trump lawyer Alina haba, called the 2182 02:07:51,990 --> 02:07:56,430 verdict a manifest injustice and said an appeal battle is coming. 2183 02:07:56,700 --> 02:07:59,160 The former president reacted late today 2184 02:07:59,220 --> 02:08:04,530 it's a very sad day for in my opinion, the country a meanings. 2185 02:08:04,710 --> 02:08:07,560 Adam Curry: Okay. I don't know why. Or I guess is this the only 2186 02:08:07,560 --> 02:08:10,260 statement he made because he made a statement in a hallway 2187 02:08:10,260 --> 02:08:14,790 The acoustics are bad. It's just not good. It's not good. He 2188 02:08:14,790 --> 02:08:16,980 needs to do better making on the statements. 2189 02:08:17,070 --> 02:08:20,640 Unknown: York state judge just ruled and he's crooked as you 2190 02:08:20,640 --> 02:08:23,640 can get. A lot of people expected something like this, 2191 02:08:23,640 --> 02:08:24,660 but not for the amount 2192 02:08:24,900 --> 02:08:26,010 in his ruling judge. 2193 02:08:28,020 --> 02:08:31,380 John C Dvorak: It less that was edited. Trump's comment the way 2194 02:08:31,380 --> 02:08:37,290 he said it was the judge ruled that he was as crooked Kim get 2195 02:08:38,430 --> 02:08:41,700 Adam Curry: very funny. Oh, that's interesting. The former 2196 02:08:41,700 --> 02:08:43,620 Unknown: president reacted late today. 2197 02:08:43,680 --> 02:08:48,810 It's a very sad day for in my opinion, the country. A New York 2198 02:08:48,810 --> 02:08:53,430 state judge just ruled and he's crooked as you can get. A lot of 2199 02:08:53,430 --> 02:08:56,010 people expected something like this, but not for the amount 2200 02:08:56,220 --> 02:08:59,190 of us truly judge Arthur and gore instead of Trump and the 2201 02:08:59,190 --> 02:09:02,700 other defendants their complete lack of remorse, borders on 2202 02:09:02,700 --> 02:09:03,780 pathological. 2203 02:09:04,050 --> 02:09:06,810 Adam Curry: This whole thing is very unfair. That's really 2204 02:09:06,810 --> 02:09:09,300 psychological. This CBS report and now they're pulling 2205 02:09:09,300 --> 02:09:11,640 something from like the Barbara Walters interview. This 2206 02:09:11,640 --> 02:09:14,430 Unknown: is good on Trump himself who took the stand two 2207 02:09:14,430 --> 02:09:18,210 times. The judge said his refusal to answer the questions 2208 02:09:18,210 --> 02:09:22,590 directly, or in some cases at all severely compromised his 2209 02:09:22,590 --> 02:09:26,220 credibility. Judge and Gordon had already ruled that Trump and 2210 02:09:26,220 --> 02:09:29,250 his sons and company executives committed years of business 2211 02:09:29,250 --> 02:09:32,820 fraud fraudulently inflating their assets to boost the former 2212 02:09:32,820 --> 02:09:36,360 president's net worth, including his Trump Tower penthouse in Mar 2213 02:09:36,360 --> 02:09:41,970 a Lago exaggerating its value by as much as 20 300%. Today's 2214 02:09:41,970 --> 02:09:45,810 penalty caps a three month trial in a lawsuit brought by New York 2215 02:09:45,810 --> 02:09:47,640 Attorney General Letitia James, 2216 02:09:47,880 --> 02:09:52,890 the scale and the scope of Donald Trump's fraud is 2217 02:09:52,890 --> 02:09:59,070 staggering. And so to his his ego and his belief that the 2218 02:09:59,070 --> 02:10:00,660 rules do not apply To him 2219 02:10:00,720 --> 02:10:02,940 Adam Curry: she'd been watching billions too much she thinks 2220 02:10:02,940 --> 02:10:07,860 she's Chuck. Chuck now from from billions. Attorney General. 2221 02:10:08,130 --> 02:10:10,560 John C Dvorak: Well, you did catch her the weakness of all 2222 02:10:10,560 --> 02:10:14,160 these reports, which is the only ABC use that quote where she 2223 02:10:14,160 --> 02:10:18,300 says his art of the deal is the art of the steel. Yeah. Which 2224 02:10:18,360 --> 02:10:22,560 which was a good, good catch, but none of the other networks 2225 02:10:22,620 --> 02:10:26,670 played it. So let's play the Turkish internationals. This 2226 02:10:26,670 --> 02:10:29,520 shows you that the international media just as bad as 2227 02:10:29,970 --> 02:10:30,720 Adam Curry: on board with him. 2228 02:10:30,750 --> 02:10:32,820 Unknown: He's a leading presidential candidate for the 2229 02:10:32,820 --> 02:10:36,300 Republican Party. But Donald Trump's campaigning schedule has 2230 02:10:36,300 --> 02:10:39,090 taken a backseat to courtroom appearances 2231 02:10:39,120 --> 02:10:41,250 Adam Curry: as was intended and legal 2232 02:10:41,250 --> 02:10:42,240 Unknown: challenges. 2233 02:10:42,570 --> 02:10:46,380 He claims the cases are politically motivated. These are 2234 02:10:46,380 --> 02:10:50,010 corrupt people. And they're using this as weaponization 2235 02:10:50,040 --> 02:10:52,170 against a political opponent who's 2236 02:10:52,170 --> 02:10:56,670 up a lot in the polls, and always will be. On Friday, a New 2237 02:10:56,670 --> 02:11:02,010 York judge ordered Donald Trump pay $355 million in penalties 2238 02:11:02,250 --> 02:11:04,620 for defrauding lenders for more than a decade. 2239 02:11:04,680 --> 02:11:07,830 Adam Curry: I don't think I heard a single one of the three 2240 02:11:08,280 --> 02:11:11,880 OG three by threes mentioning that this will be up for appeal 2241 02:11:11,880 --> 02:11:13,380 that anyone even mentioned that. 2242 02:11:15,180 --> 02:11:18,030 John C Dvorak: Not in these, but I've heard it I know. But that's 2243 02:11:18,030 --> 02:11:21,000 the whole point is Jay, you'd think he would mention instead 2244 02:11:21,000 --> 02:11:24,330 of conclude that he's out 350 million Exactly. 2245 02:11:24,810 --> 02:11:27,090 Unknown: The former president has also been banned from doing 2246 02:11:27,090 --> 02:11:30,000 business in New York for three years. His sons and CO 2247 02:11:30,000 --> 02:11:33,810 defendants were also hit with fines and two year bans on doing 2248 02:11:33,810 --> 02:11:37,740 business in the state. But the judge stopped short of canceling 2249 02:11:37,740 --> 02:11:41,490 Trump's business licenses, which some say could have ended his 2250 02:11:41,490 --> 02:11:45,510 business empire Empire massive penalty is the result of a civil 2251 02:11:45,510 --> 02:11:48,420 lawsuit brought by New York's Attorney General 2252 02:11:48,450 --> 02:11:51,900 justice has been served. Today we prove that no one is above 2253 02:11:51,900 --> 02:11:56,700 the law. No matter how rich, powerful or politically 2254 02:11:56,700 --> 02:11:59,400 connected you are every one must play by the same 2255 02:11:59,400 --> 02:12:01,380 rules. Prosecutors 2256 02:12:01,380 --> 02:12:04,740 say he lied about the value of his assets like a Trump Tower 2257 02:12:04,740 --> 02:12:08,910 apartment reported at nearly three times its actual size. 2258 02:12:09,420 --> 02:12:11,400 Trump has denied any wrongdoing. 2259 02:12:11,820 --> 02:12:15,480 He's a radical left Democrats. They're lunatics. And it's 2260 02:12:15,510 --> 02:12:18,180 election interfering. So I just want to thank you for being 2261 02:12:18,180 --> 02:12:21,960 here. Will appeal will be successful. Oh, there it is. The 2262 02:12:21,960 --> 02:12:24,750 civil fraud case could deal a major blow to Trump's real 2263 02:12:24,750 --> 02:12:25,740 estate empire. 2264 02:12:26,130 --> 02:12:30,960 He comes after he was ordered to pay just over $83 million. In a 2265 02:12:30,960 --> 02:12:33,030 separate defamation case. 2266 02:12:34,170 --> 02:12:36,210 Adam Curry: It's just filling time at this point. That's all 2267 02:12:36,210 --> 02:12:38,820 they're doing. Just filling time there. I've got some Trump news. 2268 02:12:39,450 --> 02:12:42,900 Yeah, all it does is just put Trump on the front. He's 2269 02:12:43,020 --> 02:12:45,540 everyone wants him to be president. Everybody wants him 2270 02:12:45,540 --> 02:12:50,910 in there. Except NATO. But even NATO like okay, okay, we'll pay 2271 02:12:50,910 --> 02:12:53,910 the 2%. Just let us do. 2272 02:12:54,600 --> 02:12:57,300 John C Dvorak: I think this is something that nobody else has 2273 02:12:57,300 --> 02:13:01,320 caught. I'll give you this one. Which is the idea that he makes 2274 02:13:01,320 --> 02:13:04,830 a big fuss at NATO to make sure everybody catches up with their 2275 02:13:04,830 --> 02:13:08,130 dues now pay their fair share for you guys. It's just more 2276 02:13:08,130 --> 02:13:08,580 money. 2277 02:13:09,600 --> 02:13:11,940 Adam Curry: And, you know, obviously, that's more money for 2278 02:13:11,940 --> 02:13:12,660 us, and I'm 2279 02:13:12,660 --> 02:13:14,460 John C Dvorak: gonna let you the Russians attack if you don't 2280 02:13:14,460 --> 02:13:14,940 pay. 2281 02:13:17,430 --> 02:13:21,090 Adam Curry: That's so insane. And you know, and let's all run 2282 02:13:21,090 --> 02:13:27,180 around and post about it. A man is crazy. Who is crazy. I have 2283 02:13:27,210 --> 02:13:29,580 quick three quick clips before we take a break. By the way, 2284 02:13:29,580 --> 02:13:32,520 this is a value for value program. So we'll be taking a 2285 02:13:32,520 --> 02:13:35,400 break where we thank people who've supported us with value 2286 02:13:36,690 --> 02:13:39,630 for the value we believe we provide. And we're certainly 2287 02:13:39,630 --> 02:13:42,090 been doing it for a couple of years and people do provide 2288 02:13:42,090 --> 02:13:44,880 value back so there's something in the formula that's working, 2289 02:13:44,940 --> 02:13:49,170 which is go out and hit people in the mouth. NPR reported in 2290 02:13:49,170 --> 02:13:52,650 the only way NPR can especially when it comes to Tech Tech. They 2291 02:13:52,650 --> 02:14:00,030 bring in a whole new level of of talkers on NPR. And this is the 2292 02:14:00,090 --> 02:14:03,480 the agreement that detect not technology companies who are all 2293 02:14:03,480 --> 02:14:07,680 in Munich have agreed to well, we'll take action against a 2294 02:14:07,680 --> 02:14:12,570 deceptive AI meanwhile, buy our AI $20 A month get our ai ai 2295 02:14:12,570 --> 02:14:14,160 Yeah, 2296 02:14:14,190 --> 02:14:17,310 Unknown: more than 40 countries are set to hold major elections 2297 02:14:17,310 --> 02:14:20,670 this year. And many experts worry that rapidly evolving 2298 02:14:20,670 --> 02:14:23,640 artificial intelligence technologies could disrupt those 2299 02:14:23,640 --> 02:14:28,170 votes just a few weeks ago and apparent deep fake robo call 2300 02:14:28,170 --> 02:14:31,950 that sounded like President Joe Biden told people not to vote 2301 02:14:31,950 --> 02:14:35,490 New Hampshire. Today. 20 major tech companies announced they 2302 02:14:35,490 --> 02:14:38,610 are going to do their part to avoid becoming the story. 2303 02:14:38,910 --> 02:14:41,700 Joining us now to talk through this new agreement our NPR 2304 02:14:41,700 --> 02:14:44,820 Shannon bond who covers how information travels and Miles 2305 02:14:44,820 --> 02:14:46,170 parks who covers Wait Wait, 2306 02:14:47,460 --> 02:14:50,700 Adam Curry: wait, she covers how information travels. 2307 02:14:51,030 --> 02:14:53,610 John C Dvorak: She covers Yes, your eat her 2308 02:14:53,610 --> 02:14:57,000 Adam Curry: beat is how information travels. Isn't that 2309 02:14:57,000 --> 02:14:59,070 great? I want that beat Dory that's 2310 02:14:59,070 --> 02:15:00,690 John C Dvorak: a good beat. That's a great beat. 2311 02:15:00,720 --> 02:15:02,880 Unknown: Joining us now to talk through this new agreement. Our 2312 02:15:02,880 --> 02:15:05,820 NPR Shannon bond who covers how information travels. 2313 02:15:05,850 --> 02:15:07,530 Adam Curry: You have to say it right though how information 2314 02:15:07,530 --> 02:15:09,420 travels in miles parks who 2315 02:15:09,420 --> 02:15:11,400 Unknown: covers voting Hello, y'all. Hello, y'all. 2316 02:15:11,430 --> 02:15:14,220 Adam Curry: Hey, how you doing? Hey, John. Hey, hi, hey, hi, ho. 2317 02:15:14,250 --> 02:15:16,350 Unknown: Hi there. I wanna Hello, Kevin, I want to start 2318 02:15:16,350 --> 02:15:19,050 with you tell us about this agreement, what's in it? What's 2319 02:15:19,050 --> 02:15:22,710 in it? Well, it's aimed at AI generated images, audio and 2320 02:15:22,710 --> 02:15:26,100 video that could deceive voters. So whether that's by 2321 02:15:26,130 --> 02:15:29,310 impersonating a candidate doing or saying something they didn't, 2322 02:15:29,490 --> 02:15:32,640 or misleading people about, you know, when or how to vote. And 2323 02:15:32,640 --> 02:15:35,190 the companies are agreeing to some pretty broad commitments 2324 02:15:35,190 --> 02:15:39,660 here to develop technology to watermark AI content and to 2325 02:15:39,660 --> 02:15:43,110 detect and label all kinds of ways. They're pledging to be 2326 02:15:43,110 --> 02:15:46,440 more transparent about how their tools and platforms are being 2327 02:15:46,440 --> 02:15:50,070 used. They want to educate the public about AI. Many of these 2328 02:15:50,070 --> 02:15:52,980 actions are things some of these companies are already working 2329 02:15:52,980 --> 02:15:56,220 on. And what's notable here. One is that this agreement does not 2330 02:15:56,250 --> 02:15:59,760 outright ban this kind of deceptive use of AI in 2331 02:15:59,760 --> 02:16:01,350 elections. No comedy 2332 02:16:01,350 --> 02:16:04,290 Adam Curry: is saved. It does not outright ban it. No, in 2333 02:16:04,290 --> 02:16:07,320 fact, this is just voluntary. 2334 02:16:07,440 --> 02:16:09,390 Unknown: Right. Okay. Let's dig in a little bit here. Does this 2335 02:16:09,390 --> 02:16:09,900 agreement 2336 02:16:09,960 --> 02:16:12,330 Adam Curry: actually John list? Can we dig in here a little bit? 2337 02:16:12,360 --> 02:16:14,730 John C Dvorak: I'm looking forward to it. Let's 2338 02:16:14,730 --> 02:16:15,660 Unknown: dig in here a little bit. 2339 02:16:15,960 --> 02:16:16,770 Right. Okay. Let's 2340 02:16:16,770 --> 02:16:19,050 dig in a little bit here, because this agreement actually 2341 02:16:19,050 --> 02:16:21,480 bind these companies to do anything, or is this more of 2342 02:16:21,480 --> 02:16:25,380 like a mission statement? Yeah, this is a voluntary agreement. 2343 02:16:25,380 --> 02:16:28,170 So it's not binding. And remember, just because companies 2344 02:16:28,170 --> 02:16:30,810 create policies about AI, doesn't mean they always 2345 02:16:30,810 --> 02:16:34,110 effectively enforce them. Now, this agreement came together in 2346 02:16:34,110 --> 02:16:36,930 just the past six weeks, and in many ways, you know, it seems 2347 02:16:36,960 --> 02:16:40,080 like it had to be pretty broad to get this many companies to 2348 02:16:40,080 --> 02:16:44,220 agree. We spoke with Microsoft President Brad Smith today. He 2349 02:16:44,370 --> 02:16:44,640 didn't 2350 02:16:44,640 --> 02:16:47,130 Adam Curry: Brad What didn't he run the Xbox division? Brad 2351 02:16:47,130 --> 02:16:49,050 Smith? Was he the game I 2352 02:16:49,049 --> 02:16:50,369 John C Dvorak: forgot his history. He 2353 02:16:50,369 --> 02:16:53,399 Adam Curry: was. He's been he's been there for a while. Let's 2354 02:16:53,399 --> 02:16:55,979 talk to the billionaire at Microsoft spoke with Microsoft 2355 02:16:55,979 --> 02:17:00,179 Unknown: President Brad Smith today. He said that unity itself 2356 02:17:00,209 --> 02:17:01,739 is an accomplishment. We 2357 02:17:01,740 --> 02:17:05,280 all want to need to innovate. We want to need to compete with 2358 02:17:05,280 --> 02:17:09,720 each other. But it's also just indispensable, that we 2359 02:17:09,720 --> 02:17:13,290 acknowledge and address the problems that are very real, 2360 02:17:13,290 --> 02:17:14,610 including to democracy. 2361 02:17:14,670 --> 02:17:17,670 Adam Curry: Oh, it's a problem for democracy. Oh, Bret, save us 2362 02:17:17,700 --> 02:17:19,980 Unknown: indeed. And even as these companies including 2363 02:17:19,980 --> 02:17:22,830 Microsoft are saying you know, they're on guard over risks of 2364 02:17:22,830 --> 02:17:26,520 AI. They're also continuing to roll out even more advanced 2365 02:17:26,520 --> 02:17:30,180 technology like just yesterday open AI one of the other 2366 02:17:30,180 --> 02:17:32,430 companies that signed this agreement, they announced this 2367 02:17:32,430 --> 02:17:36,000 tool that allows you to type in a simple text description to 2368 02:17:36,000 --> 02:17:38,970 create a really realistic high definition video 2369 02:17:39,059 --> 02:17:42,539 Adam Curry: of us as Golden Retrievers podcasting on a snowy 2370 02:17:42,539 --> 02:17:43,769 mountain but 2371 02:17:43,830 --> 02:17:47,130 John C Dvorak: a somebody sent me a link to this it's Oh keep 2372 02:17:47,130 --> 02:17:47,970 referring to 2373 02:17:48,089 --> 02:17:50,759 Adam Curry: I'm shoving into your face I can't believe you 2374 02:17:50,759 --> 02:17:56,609 haven't seen this. The final clip justifies me once more, 2375 02:17:56,639 --> 02:17:56,969 walk us 2376 02:17:56,969 --> 02:17:58,709 Unknown: through a few cans I got some of those scenarios. 2377 02:17:58,709 --> 02:18:00,569 Yeah, I asked Smith from Microsoft 2378 02:18:00,570 --> 02:18:02,430 about this and he said specifically, he's worried about 2379 02:18:02,430 --> 02:18:06,120 people using AI to dub over real videos with fake audio that 2380 02:18:06,120 --> 02:18:08,640 could be a lot more convincing to people than creating a whole 2381 02:18:08,640 --> 02:18:12,000 new video but there's also a bigger picture worry that I 2382 02:18:12,060 --> 02:18:15,030 heard percolating at this conference last week that as 2383 02:18:15,030 --> 02:18:18,720 more fake stuff is swirling online the public will slowly 2384 02:18:18,720 --> 02:18:22,200 lose trust in all information. That's the hardest aspects of 2385 02:18:22,200 --> 02:18:25,380 this record. The tech companies say they want the public to be 2386 02:18:25,380 --> 02:18:28,530 more skeptical of what they see online but that can lead to this 2387 02:18:28,530 --> 02:18:31,740 feeling among people that nothing is true or real and bad 2388 02:18:31,740 --> 02:18:35,490 Adam Curry: accurate no agenda Listen now and stop talking over 2389 02:18:35,490 --> 02:18:38,160 it you just don't want to hear how right I am once again is 2390 02:18:38,160 --> 02:18:41,370 Unknown: true or real and bad actors can capitalize on that 2391 02:18:41,370 --> 02:18:44,160 too. But then being able to claim that real information is 2392 02:18:44,160 --> 02:18:48,180 fake it's called the liars dividend there was more AI 2393 02:18:48,180 --> 02:18:51,390 generated stuff floating around it's just gonna become more and 2394 02:18:51,390 --> 02:18:54,600 more common that candidates when real bad information comes out 2395 02:18:54,600 --> 02:18:56,790 at about them they can just say no that's 2396 02:18:56,820 --> 02:19:00,180 John C Dvorak: baloney laughs because what was the last what 2397 02:19:00,180 --> 02:19:01,920 was the left tell for because 2398 02:19:01,920 --> 02:19:05,220 Adam Curry: he's it's too big what he's laughing about is hey, 2399 02:19:05,250 --> 02:19:08,220 if I if I laugh now John will talk over the punch line 2400 02:19:09,660 --> 02:19:12,060 John C Dvorak: no more he's laugh for some reason it will 2401 02:19:12,060 --> 02:19:13,980 Adam Curry: listen the maybe you'll find out both 2402 02:19:14,130 --> 02:19:18,600 Unknown: the liars dividend with more AI generated stuff floating 2403 02:19:18,600 --> 02:19:21,030 around it's just gonna become more and more common that 2404 02:19:21,030 --> 02:19:24,510 candidates when reveal bad information comes out at about 2405 02:19:24,510 --> 02:19:26,670 them. They can just say no, that's that's fake. That's AI 2406 02:19:26,670 --> 02:19:27,810 generated because that's 2407 02:19:27,809 --> 02:19:29,699 Adam Curry: exactly what we've been saying. That's exactly 2408 02:19:29,699 --> 02:19:33,149 what's gonna happen. That's why he's laughing about it. Oh, 2409 02:19:33,149 --> 02:19:38,459 yeah. When when bad stuff comes out. Just say it's AI. They all 2410 02:19:38,459 --> 02:19:40,829 know it. They're all in on it and the tech companies just 2411 02:19:40,829 --> 02:19:43,169 agreed to it. That's okay. 2412 02:19:45,600 --> 02:19:49,620 John C Dvorak: That's gonna stop us deconstructing the Real News? 2413 02:19:49,650 --> 02:19:50,670 Yeah, that's correct. 2414 02:19:51,060 --> 02:19:52,590 Adam Curry: If you want your deconstruction you're at the 2415 02:19:52,590 --> 02:19:54,330 right place. And with that, I'd like to thank you for your 2416 02:19:54,330 --> 02:19:57,240 courage say in the morning to you the man who put the sea in 2417 02:19:57,240 --> 02:20:00,540 korma quat. Ladies, gentlemen, say hello to My friend on the 2418 02:20:00,540 --> 02:20:02,400 other end the one and only Mr. Jobs 2419 02:20:06,870 --> 02:20:08,940 John C Dvorak: really you Mr. and Karina, more chips you both 2420 02:20:08,940 --> 02:20:11,070 have graphene here so there's no word doomsday sat there 2421 02:20:11,100 --> 02:20:13,440 Adam Curry: in the morning to the trolls in the troll room let 2422 02:20:13,440 --> 02:20:23,520 me count oh well, we have one more than last Sunday, last 2423 02:20:23,520 --> 02:20:28,860 Sunday 2045 Today 2046 Trolls listening in live, 2424 02:20:29,220 --> 02:20:30,270 John C Dvorak: run a roll, 2425 02:20:31,410 --> 02:20:34,470 Adam Curry: which we call that an uptick in the biz actually is 2426 02:20:34,470 --> 02:20:39,360 an uptick. Those trolls are listening at troll room.io Or 2427 02:20:39,360 --> 02:20:42,060 maybe they're using a modern podcast app it happens because 2428 02:20:42,060 --> 02:20:46,440 they're cool podcast apps.com get all kinds of benefits 2429 02:20:46,440 --> 02:20:49,860 including being alerted when we go live which is what a lot of 2430 02:20:49,860 --> 02:20:53,970 these trolls are doing and when we post the show 90 seconds from 2431 02:20:53,970 --> 02:20:57,330 posting the show you got an alert no waiting for an hour and 2432 02:20:57,330 --> 02:21:00,120 we got Dred Scott during the chapters and we have transcripts 2433 02:21:00,120 --> 02:21:02,730 you can search through it and and that also flows through to 2434 02:21:02,730 --> 02:21:06,060 being a data we got to know new bing.io coming out very soon. 2435 02:21:06,360 --> 02:21:10,260 Now with AI it's going to be dynamite you can search 2436 02:21:10,260 --> 02:21:13,290 everything this is all part of the value for value we give you 2437 02:21:13,290 --> 02:21:17,490 on the show then and as you can tell I'm not doing AI notes or D 2438 02:21:17,490 --> 02:21:20,580 nonnamous is doing it that's he's providing value back to the 2439 02:21:20,580 --> 02:21:25,830 show. We have sir bemrose running the stream 24/7 2440 02:21:25,830 --> 02:21:29,430 providing value back to the show. We got void zero mark he's 2441 02:21:29,460 --> 02:21:32,880 running just upgraded our servers to nix we're on Nick's 2442 02:21:32,880 --> 02:21:36,570 now. John Nick's low net we're on Nick we're on next baby. 2443 02:21:36,750 --> 02:21:37,110 Yeah, 2444 02:21:37,140 --> 02:21:39,600 John C Dvorak: now that you Nix that Oh no, 2445 02:21:39,630 --> 02:21:41,160 Adam Curry: you're the one that approved it. 2446 02:21:42,420 --> 02:21:43,350 John C Dvorak: I guess they did you 2447 02:21:44,400 --> 02:21:45,600 Adam Curry: you didn't read the memo. You 2448 02:21:45,600 --> 02:21:47,760 John C Dvorak: know why? Because actually it saves money. 2449 02:21:47,790 --> 02:21:52,380 Adam Curry: I know. I know. And that's I love mark for that is 2450 02:21:52,380 --> 02:21:56,310 that kind of stuff. Yeah, we also have other types of value 2451 02:21:56,310 --> 02:22:00,720 that we get back from well in this case are artists. Artists 2452 02:22:00,720 --> 02:22:04,230 are busy working away during every single show to create the 2453 02:22:04,230 --> 02:22:08,850 perfect piece of podcast art that we can use which will just 2454 02:22:09,060 --> 02:22:13,230 blow everybody's socks off. They love the new art you know it 2455 02:22:13,230 --> 02:22:17,190 looks great on on the website it looks great and social meat 2456 02:22:17,190 --> 02:22:20,700 looks great in the podcast apps and we probably want to we are 2457 02:22:20,700 --> 02:22:24,180 one of the few that have few podcasts anywhere that have new 2458 02:22:24,180 --> 02:22:28,200 art for every single episode and so we want to thank the butthole 2459 02:22:28,200 --> 02:22:36,540 Academy for for the artwork for episode 63 for the artists title 2460 02:22:36,540 --> 02:22:41,850 is is the butthole Academy I can't help it episode 1634 We 2461 02:22:41,850 --> 02:22:46,020 titled that one nukes in space because let's face it that's 2462 02:22:46,020 --> 02:22:49,080 what everybody wanted it to be I mean nukes and space that's 2463 02:22:49,080 --> 02:22:53,430 where we all had to had to hear about ad nauseam and let's see 2464 02:22:53,430 --> 02:22:58,800 what else was available at now. I like the blue balloons by 2465 02:22:58,800 --> 02:23:04,350 pickle surprise. We're trying to do something that so just to go 2466 02:23:04,350 --> 02:23:09,150 back and tell everybody this artwork by the butthole Academy 2467 02:23:09,570 --> 02:23:13,380 we really liked we didn't want it we would have used it if if 2468 02:23:13,380 --> 02:23:17,880 the last show was closer to Valentine's Day. Since this one 2469 02:23:17,880 --> 02:23:20,610 was right after Valentine's Day it couldn't really find anything 2470 02:23:20,610 --> 02:23:24,810 that we liked as much this podcast Hearts was just a great 2471 02:23:24,810 --> 02:23:29,370 piece of work. Especially the little slogans on the hearts 2472 02:23:29,730 --> 02:23:35,670 yeah promo code bond Gino like subscribe nice vocal fry love 2473 02:23:35,670 --> 02:23:39,150 your pod eBay dog food I mean it was great it was just a 2474 02:23:39,150 --> 02:23:43,050 John C Dvorak: so in other words we we literally rejected all the 2475 02:23:43,050 --> 02:23:47,700 submitted art every show we did we did which has happened before 2476 02:23:47,700 --> 02:23:51,090 it happens about when I probably were not proud of four times a 2477 02:23:51,090 --> 02:23:51,390 year 2478 02:23:51,390 --> 02:23:56,250 Adam Curry: it happens yeah and now I did and now it's 2479 02:23:56,250 --> 02:23:58,860 John C Dvorak: not as bad as when we have to literally go 2480 02:23:58,860 --> 02:24:02,550 into the archive the Evergreen is scrounge around 2481 02:24:02,550 --> 02:24:08,340 Adam Curry: now that's that's really bad when that happens we 2482 02:24:08,370 --> 02:24:11,820 I liked I liked the blue balloons from pickles surprise 2483 02:24:11,880 --> 02:24:12,240 yes 2484 02:24:12,240 --> 02:24:13,620 John C Dvorak: I did not like that at all 2485 02:24:13,650 --> 02:24:17,070 Adam Curry: no no I know it asked me why why did you not 2486 02:24:17,070 --> 02:24:17,310 like 2487 02:24:17,310 --> 02:24:18,420 John C Dvorak: it? It was bland. 2488 02:24:19,860 --> 02:24:24,780 Adam Curry: You go it was bland there were some other nice what 2489 02:24:24,780 --> 02:24:27,870 you liked was the and you use that for the newsletter The no 2490 02:24:27,870 --> 02:24:35,910 agenda 333 Space way which I Crossroads one yeah I just like 2491 02:24:35,940 --> 02:24:37,320 I couldn't get behind it you know 2492 02:24:38,550 --> 02:24:40,560 John C Dvorak: he could get you don't need to just look at it in 2493 02:24:40,560 --> 02:24:41,370 from the front. 2494 02:24:42,600 --> 02:24:45,090 Adam Curry: And the way this show works is there's a veto you 2495 02:24:45,090 --> 02:24:47,820 know John approved the Nick servers I didn't veto it 2496 02:24:47,820 --> 02:24:53,190 happens. John wanted to space way the Crossroads I vetoed. It 2497 02:24:53,190 --> 02:24:56,040 didn't happen. I want the balloons John didn't like it 2498 02:24:56,040 --> 02:24:56,460 didn't happen 2499 02:24:56,460 --> 02:24:59,970 John C Dvorak: fat you said. You said oh here's how I like this. 2500 02:25:00,000 --> 02:25:05,490 This one your you said no way Jose, which I thought was 2501 02:25:05,490 --> 02:25:06,870 somewhat offense, your 2502 02:25:06,900 --> 02:25:10,230 Adam Curry: belts racist but you nailed the voice I was spot on. 2503 02:25:10,230 --> 02:25:15,270 I'm so impressed. Thank you very much butthole Academy for your 2504 02:25:17,190 --> 02:25:21,900 for your value that you provided back to the show. It's one 2505 02:25:22,410 --> 02:25:24,570 John C Dvorak: more piece of art because you did mention this. 2506 02:25:24,690 --> 02:25:28,650 Okay, the no agenda. There was a kind of a nice idea for a piece, 2507 02:25:28,830 --> 02:25:33,420 which was the no agenda credit card from Darren O'Neal. Yeah, 2508 02:25:33,450 --> 02:25:37,380 but great comment was, it doesn't even look like a credit 2509 02:25:37,380 --> 02:25:40,860 card. It does. Yes. For you, Darren. Yeah. 2510 02:25:42,060 --> 02:25:44,250 Adam Curry: Yeah, no, it didn't, didn't it's No, 2511 02:25:44,670 --> 02:25:45,210 John C Dvorak: I agree. 2512 02:25:46,260 --> 02:25:50,310 Adam Curry: It was messy. Thanks. You're absolutely right. 2513 02:25:50,430 --> 02:25:55,590 So there you go. No veto. No Nicks. That's it. That's our 2514 02:25:55,590 --> 02:25:57,960 time and talent of the time, talent and treasure for the 2515 02:25:57,960 --> 02:26:01,980 value for value. No agenda donations.com gives you an idea 2516 02:26:02,250 --> 02:26:05,160 of how you can support the show financially, which we obviously 2517 02:26:05,160 --> 02:26:08,100 need low turnout today, we knew that you did not throw a sad 2518 02:26:08,100 --> 02:26:12,180 puppy. This is a holiday weekend in the US and that somehow is 2519 02:26:12,180 --> 02:26:15,720 celebrated all over the world. And very few people donate but 2520 02:26:15,720 --> 02:26:18,480 we did have some diehard executive and Associate 2521 02:26:18,480 --> 02:26:21,900 Executive producers, who we really appreciate including sir 2522 02:26:21,900 --> 02:26:27,870 dude named Ralph from Miami, who came in right away. Covering the 2523 02:26:27,870 --> 02:26:33,510 PayPal fees on this donation. He says this is 507 28 Hello, John 2524 02:26:33,510 --> 02:26:36,450 and Adam. I will cover the PayPal fees on this donation. 2525 02:26:36,600 --> 02:26:40,050 John C Dvorak: You notice what the fees are? Yes. Why we 2526 02:26:40,050 --> 02:26:45,660 recommend sending checks. Yes, Xbox 339 l Cerritos California 2527 02:26:45,660 --> 02:26:47,970 94530 2528 02:26:48,000 --> 02:26:50,550 Adam Curry: no agenda donations.com For the rest of 2529 02:26:50,550 --> 02:26:54,750 that information. Yes, he so he wanted to send for at 188 2530 02:26:54,750 --> 02:26:59,520 bringing him to Vikon which will give him a title upgrade. So he 2531 02:26:59,520 --> 02:27:04,320 had to send in 507 28 to cover the fees. To this this paper 2532 02:27:04,320 --> 02:27:06,810 John C Dvorak: was a good business. It is there make 2533 02:27:06,810 --> 02:27:07,740 money. My 2534 02:27:07,740 --> 02:27:09,990 Adam Curry: birthday was on Valentine's Day This is my gift 2535 02:27:09,990 --> 02:27:12,390 to the best podcast in the universe. I humbly ask for a 2536 02:27:12,390 --> 02:27:16,380 dose of jobs karma and some rubber lizer sir dude named 2537 02:27:16,380 --> 02:27:28,710 Ralph PhD, suburban South Florida in the standby 3333 or 2538 02:27:28,710 --> 02:27:33,240 otherwise are our jobs, jobs, jobs and jobs. 2539 02:27:34,140 --> 02:27:34,950 Unknown: The jobs 2540 02:27:38,940 --> 02:27:46,080 John C Dvorak: so Salah Hauser in Melbourne, Florida. 350 93 2541 02:27:46,080 --> 02:27:51,840 ITM YALI writes this donation is to celebrate turning 33 You 2542 02:27:51,840 --> 02:27:54,150 know, it's amazing to me I said this how many times we're 2543 02:27:54,150 --> 02:27:54,480 turning 2544 02:27:54,480 --> 02:27:59,460 Adam Curry: 33 this year? Every year? Every year yes, you're 2545 02:27:59,460 --> 02:28:02,430 right. You're right. It's the sweet spot of the no agenda 2546 02:28:02,430 --> 02:28:02,640 show. 2547 02:28:02,670 --> 02:28:07,800 John C Dvorak: It is the sweet spot of the no agenda 33 Bert 2548 02:28:07,830 --> 02:28:11,640 33rd birthday on February 7 These continues and also 2549 02:28:11,640 --> 02:28:19,680 increasing my revenue in 2320 23 by 31 by three What 32.8 or 2550 02:28:19,680 --> 02:28:25,590 32.8% for my wealth management company, so close to 33 around 2551 02:28:25,590 --> 02:28:29,370 that I listen to you all day while in the office sales karma 2552 02:28:29,370 --> 02:28:32,430 for all sir hall of the 321 2553 02:28:34,650 --> 02:28:40,290 Adam Curry: You've got karma Salah Hauser, Salah Howser the 2554 02:28:40,290 --> 02:28:44,850 dirty geek, dirty geek, Sutter Creek, California, ITM longtime 2555 02:28:44,850 --> 02:28:48,660 douchebag from a restaurant owner of cabanas pub and grub, 2556 02:28:48,690 --> 02:28:53,760 Sutter Creek and roses, cucina Cosina I think it is in 2557 02:28:53,760 --> 02:28:55,230 John C Dvorak: catalogus Cocina isn't it? 2558 02:28:55,860 --> 02:28:57,840 Adam Curry: Isn't because because one of the other one of 2559 02:28:57,840 --> 02:29:03,450 them is a bad word is either as cucina or Christina. Well, I set 2560 02:29:03,450 --> 02:29:08,220 them both Fannie, Fannie Fani in California Foothill country 2561 02:29:08,580 --> 02:29:12,060 where's the California photo? Sutter Creek obviously Cree 2562 02:29:12,060 --> 02:29:14,850 John C Dvorak: is that area double foothills, Sierra Nevada 2563 02:29:14,850 --> 02:29:15,450 foothills 2564 02:29:15,690 --> 02:29:17,820 Adam Curry: I'd like to bid farewell and good luck with a 2565 02:29:17,820 --> 02:29:22,710 333 donation any any actually help us out with the with the 2566 02:29:22,710 --> 02:29:26,190 fees 350 58 Three by the way, stop. 2567 02:29:27,120 --> 02:29:28,830 John C Dvorak: I think this happened with the other with the 2568 02:29:28,830 --> 02:29:35,640 SIR Salah Hauser and notice is 350 93 and 350 58. How does that 2569 02:29:35,640 --> 02:29:40,890 work? is a difference of 40 cents or so three? I don't 2570 02:29:40,890 --> 02:29:42,870 really five cents. Okay. Anyway, sorry. 2571 02:29:43,560 --> 02:29:45,840 Adam Curry: I'd like to bid farewell and good luck with a 2572 02:29:45,840 --> 02:29:51,300 333 donation to sear libre. Oh, I know sir Libra is a big 2573 02:29:51,300 --> 02:29:55,800 podcasting 2.0 guy as he takes his chef skills and departs two 2574 02:29:55,800 --> 02:30:01,260 of my restaurants to return to Ms. Murray. He almost gave me a 2575 02:30:01,260 --> 02:30:04,740 14 day notice but cut it down to 13 days as he is doing a 2576 02:30:04,740 --> 02:30:09,780 roundtable podcast with Adam on Tuesday. Let's this is the value 2577 02:30:09,780 --> 02:30:13,470 for value roundtable podcast. Jimmy V is hosting that. Then 2578 02:30:13,470 --> 02:30:18,120 I've been asked to join I said I will join for one. Yeah, it's 2579 02:30:18,120 --> 02:30:23,370 the podcasting. 2.0 boys. We're on fire man podcast. apps.com 2580 02:30:23,370 --> 02:30:29,790 Check it out, fire or podcast. two.org If you want to know if 2581 02:30:29,790 --> 02:30:33,540 you really wanted to learn podcast to.org I'll take my 2582 02:30:33,570 --> 02:30:38,070 douchey my D douching. And some jobs karma is now I have more 2583 02:30:38,070 --> 02:30:41,760 jobs to offer. The dirty Greek of Sutter Creek. 2584 02:30:43,470 --> 02:30:49,110 John C Dvorak: Youth ben de deuced jobs, jobs, jobs and jobs 2585 02:30:49,920 --> 02:30:58,650 for jobs. Canterbury in Dade City, Florida. 34375 ITM 2586 02:30:58,650 --> 02:31:00,510 gentlemen, I was hitting them out several months ago and the 2587 02:31:00,510 --> 02:31:05,730 shame of living as a douchebag has become unbearable. I think 2588 02:31:05,730 --> 02:31:06,690 he needs it he douching 2589 02:31:08,430 --> 02:31:10,800 Unknown: you've been de deuced de 2590 02:31:10,800 --> 02:31:15,930 John C Dvorak: vivre V. The V. Four V up is very effective. 2591 02:31:16,200 --> 02:31:19,980 today. I'm relieved to finally begin my journey to knighthood 2592 02:31:19,980 --> 02:31:24,300 and beyond John your analysis of the Schumer sham and episode 2593 02:31:24,300 --> 02:31:30,240 1632 was alone worth the donation? No jingles no karma? 2594 02:31:30,240 --> 02:31:34,560 Just let Dame Jennifer pronounce me D deuced. And believes she 2595 02:31:34,560 --> 02:31:38,250 she can do that and Play that funky bass bass lick. 2596 02:31:38,280 --> 02:31:40,410 Adam Curry: That's what we just did. That's Dame Jennifer. By 2597 02:31:40,410 --> 02:31:42,600 the way. Did you not know that? 2598 02:31:42,930 --> 02:31:45,120 John C Dvorak: I did not know that we would again. 2599 02:31:46,920 --> 02:31:48,750 Unknown: You've been de deuced 2600 02:31:51,450 --> 02:31:55,650 John C Dvorak: 50 years. She has a tremendous voice does she does 2601 02:31:56,490 --> 02:32:00,000 see the attached screenshot of my inbox. She should do 2602 02:32:00,000 --> 02:32:03,900 voiceover she does see the attached screenshot on my inbox 2603 02:32:03,900 --> 02:32:07,620 Talos I'm typing this email coincidence Not likely. keep 2604 02:32:07,620 --> 02:32:10,320 cranking out the best podcast in the universe. And I'll be here. 2605 02:32:10,380 --> 02:32:12,660 Thank you for your courage. Kintbury Dade City, Florida. 2606 02:32:12,690 --> 02:32:12,960 Yeah, 2607 02:32:12,990 --> 02:32:16,500 Adam Curry: there was 33 Obviously. Hey, David Foley, 2608 02:32:16,740 --> 02:32:22,170 Grand Duke Los Gatos, California. 333 dot 33. Hey, 2609 02:32:22,170 --> 02:32:25,950 it's been a while since we heard from the Grand Duke. We should 2610 02:32:25,950 --> 02:32:28,590 have a jingle on board. I was just about to say don't we have 2611 02:32:28,590 --> 02:32:30,750 a let me see if 2612 02:32:30,750 --> 02:32:36,090 John C Dvorak: there was one. Very short and sweet one. quick 2613 02:32:36,090 --> 02:32:37,740 announcement. Dames, 2614 02:32:37,740 --> 02:32:40,770 Unknown: Knights, slaves, producers and members of the 2615 02:32:40,770 --> 02:32:44,910 channel. Please direct your attention to the 4k telescreens 2616 02:32:44,910 --> 02:32:48,900 for another donation from the Grand Juke. David Foley. 2617 02:32:52,890 --> 02:32:55,170 Adam Curry: Thank you Disaronno missive Dogpatch and Lois 2618 02:32:55,170 --> 02:32:58,440 LeBeau. Via the Grand Duke writes, Kevin McLaughlin, and 2619 02:32:58,470 --> 02:33:01,830 all the other producers helping with their treasure. I have not 2620 02:33:01,830 --> 02:33:04,860 been overboard but working on stacking more treasure to share 2621 02:33:04,860 --> 02:33:08,370 with the greatest podcast in the universe. No jingles, no karma. 2622 02:33:08,370 --> 02:33:11,070 Thank you. Thank you, sir. David, good to hear from you, 2623 02:33:11,070 --> 02:33:11,880 brother. Thank you. 2624 02:33:12,840 --> 02:33:18,720 John C Dvorak: Joseph. liase Leisel Leslie Leisel lessly. I 2625 02:33:18,720 --> 02:33:23,310 think lysyl. He's in Calverton, New York to 20 to 22 at first 2626 02:33:23,310 --> 02:33:27,660 Associate Executive Producer, jobs in F cancer karma to all 2627 02:33:27,660 --> 02:33:31,620 who need it. If I only had enough time, talent or treasure 2628 02:33:31,620 --> 02:33:35,700 to donate, by the way, which after this, I want to play a 2629 02:33:35,700 --> 02:33:42,060 clip to donate what you deserve for your exceptional work. A 2630 02:33:42,060 --> 02:33:47,520 hearty thanks to you both in the lovely talented Dame Adrianne 2631 02:33:47,670 --> 02:33:54,270 for hitting me for hitting me ITM night of Sandy parks. You 2632 02:33:54,270 --> 02:33:57,450 want to play? Normally they play this first tonight you have a 2633 02:33:57,450 --> 02:33:59,010 short clip cancer, 2634 02:33:59,190 --> 02:34:04,350 Unknown: jobs, jobs, jobs and jobs. Let's vote for jobs. 2635 02:34:09,030 --> 02:34:10,680 You've got karma. 2636 02:34:11,730 --> 02:34:14,340 John C Dvorak: This is the bonus material you get when you listen 2637 02:34:14,340 --> 02:34:19,290 to the donations. Right? That's right. This is showing how our 2638 02:34:19,440 --> 02:34:24,660 medical institutions are looking after us in great and wonderful 2639 02:34:24,660 --> 02:34:29,880 ways. This is a new cure for a specific cancer. And 2640 02:34:29,880 --> 02:34:33,840 Adam Curry: what would the title be of this clip? Probably cancer 2641 02:34:33,840 --> 02:34:37,110 cure for cancer? No, it's BJU cancer with a b 2642 02:34:37,170 --> 02:34:39,570 John C Dvorak: Okay. Oh, B cancer 2643 02:34:39,660 --> 02:34:41,970 Unknown: and the Food and Drug Administration has approved a 2644 02:34:41,970 --> 02:34:45,900 novel cancer treatment to tackle an aggressive form of the deadly 2645 02:34:45,900 --> 02:34:50,460 skin cancer melanoma. The treatment called M tag V uses a 2646 02:34:50,460 --> 02:34:54,210 patient's own immune cells from the tumor and clinical trials 2647 02:34:54,210 --> 02:34:57,780 more than 30% of participants have their tumors either shrink 2648 02:34:57,810 --> 02:35:01,020 or disappear altogether. The main are the treatments so the 2649 02:35:01,020 --> 02:35:06,150 US retail price is expected to be $515,000 per patient? 2650 02:35:08,490 --> 02:35:17,880 Adam Curry: Wow. Get that our Medicare wow that's a good clip. 2651 02:35:18,360 --> 02:35:24,300 By the way it is Cosina. Roses Cosina Cosina. Yes. The way I 2652 02:35:24,300 --> 02:35:30,780 pronounced it means pigs something told you was not not 2653 02:35:30,810 --> 02:35:35,100 it was not good. All right. Well, thank you for that. Then 2654 02:35:35,100 --> 02:35:39,810 we have Jacob long and Landon Burg Pennsylvania. And he has a 2655 02:35:39,810 --> 02:35:43,500 switcheroo switcheroo for Renegades Dame Hood who gave 2656 02:35:43,500 --> 02:35:47,850 birth to our first human resource on 1124 Please de Deus, 2657 02:35:47,850 --> 02:35:49,830 the little man Calvin Wyatt. 2658 02:35:51,960 --> 02:35:53,820 Unknown: Ben de douche Welcome 2659 02:35:53,820 --> 02:35:57,510 Adam Curry: to Gitmo nation, Calvin Wyatt. He's heard every 2660 02:35:57,510 --> 02:36:02,940 show since March 23, including while he was in renegade shout 2661 02:36:02,940 --> 02:36:06,300 out to all the flat Moon theorists. Hey, that's a new 2662 02:36:06,300 --> 02:36:09,660 one. I got to join that group. Sounds like fun flat Moon is a 2663 02:36:09,660 --> 02:36:10,860 new one new one to me. 2664 02:36:11,400 --> 02:36:13,230 John C Dvorak: Why don't you get this one and I'll get to last 2665 02:36:13,260 --> 02:36:13,740 Eli the 2666 02:36:13,740 --> 02:36:16,200 Adam Curry: coffee guy Bensenville Illinois. We know 2667 02:36:16,200 --> 02:36:20,370 Eli the coffee guy because he's from gigawatt Coffee Roasters is 2668 02:36:20,370 --> 02:36:23,280 good stuff. The job's karma work. Yeah, 2669 02:36:23,280 --> 02:36:25,620 John C Dvorak: we can tell. Thanks. 2670 02:36:26,940 --> 02:36:29,160 Adam Curry: Yes, it's working very well. Thanks to the power 2671 02:36:29,160 --> 02:36:33,390 of Pelosi, we found a great new team member. This donation goes 2672 02:36:33,390 --> 02:36:38,190 towards the dame hood of my wife, Jen, Dame name to be 2673 02:36:38,190 --> 02:36:41,010 determined. Well, when she's ready, then we'll hear about it. 2674 02:36:41,280 --> 02:36:45,240 And he says visit gigawatt coffee roasters.com use code ITM 2675 02:36:45,240 --> 02:36:49,320 20 for 20% off your coffee order. And he ends up by saying 2676 02:36:49,320 --> 02:36:53,340 stay caffeinated. And we thank you very much. I could use some 2677 02:36:53,340 --> 02:36:55,320 more coffee. We all have another 2678 02:36:55,320 --> 02:36:58,440 John C Dvorak: Can I don't have a blue pack and meanwhile from 2679 02:36:58,440 --> 02:37:02,220 Lakewood, Colorado is also up with a with a promotion $200 2680 02:37:02,220 --> 02:37:05,850 jobs Carmen effer. And for a competitive edge Go to Image 2681 02:37:05,850 --> 02:37:09,330 makers inc.com For all your executive resume job search 2682 02:37:09,330 --> 02:37:13,710 needs. And she continues by saying that's image makers Inc. 2683 02:37:13,740 --> 02:37:18,300 With a que just find Linda lapad calendar that shows producer 2684 02:37:18,300 --> 02:37:18,510 lists, 2685 02:37:19,590 --> 02:37:23,790 Unknown: jobs, jobs and jobs. Let's go to jobs. 2686 02:37:25,980 --> 02:37:28,710 Adam Curry: harmonica and that concludes our credits for the 2687 02:37:28,710 --> 02:37:31,080 executive and Associate Executive producers for Episode 2688 02:37:31,080 --> 02:37:36,210 One South 1635 of the no agenda show. These are credits that are 2689 02:37:36,210 --> 02:37:39,720 real and you can use anywhere that show business credits and 2690 02:37:39,720 --> 02:37:44,040 producer credits are recognized I we suggest your LinkedIn your 2691 02:37:44,040 --> 02:37:46,710 resume if you're looking for that. And of course you can 2692 02:37:46,710 --> 02:37:49,860 always open up an IMDB account if you don't have one already, 2693 02:37:49,860 --> 02:37:52,410 because you've already been an executive or Associate Executive 2694 02:37:52,410 --> 02:37:55,410 Producer. You can add it there. It's all recognized and if 2695 02:37:55,410 --> 02:37:58,380 anyone questions these credits, let us know we'll gladly vouch 2696 02:37:58,380 --> 02:38:00,450 for you I'm like the douchebags in Hollywood John's got 2697 02:38:01,560 --> 02:38:03,450 John C Dvorak: a business card and use it on your signature 2698 02:38:03,480 --> 02:38:04,530 email signature 2699 02:38:04,560 --> 02:38:08,520 Adam Curry: that exactly your sig dot SIG file. Does anyone 2700 02:38:08,520 --> 02:38:10,920 know what that means? anymore? Dot SIG file. Nobody 2701 02:38:11,400 --> 02:38:12,330 John C Dvorak: does SIG. 2702 02:38:13,080 --> 02:38:16,020 Adam Curry: We appreciate all of the value that people send in it 2703 02:38:16,020 --> 02:38:19,680 doesn't matter how much $5 Could be an enormous amount for you. 2704 02:38:20,040 --> 02:38:24,210 So we appreciate that and remember that even five $5 A 2705 02:38:24,210 --> 02:38:27,390 month is eventually become Knights and Dames on the show. 2706 02:38:27,540 --> 02:38:30,270 John is going to take us through the 50s now with that names and 2707 02:38:30,270 --> 02:38:32,310 locations and Matthew 2708 02:38:32,340 --> 02:38:35,250 John C Dvorak: Merlino starts us off from Sandy Springs, Georgia 2709 02:38:35,370 --> 02:38:38,070 12345 and he needs to de douching 2710 02:38:39,840 --> 02:38:41,670 Unknown: you've been de deuced 2711 02:38:44,280 --> 02:38:48,270 John C Dvorak: drop about five DBS on that by the way. The stay 2712 02:38:48,270 --> 02:38:53,100 is Stephen Shevlin in Southampton, Massachusetts. 808 2713 02:38:53,100 --> 02:38:56,760 Kevin McLaughlin, there he is. in Concord, North Carolina the 2714 02:38:56,790 --> 02:39:01,800 Archduke of Luna 808 Wouldn't it be funny rice if breast implants 2715 02:39:01,800 --> 02:39:06,480 came with squeaky toys inside them? I think that's nice. 2716 02:39:06,720 --> 02:39:13,140 That's maybe we're a phone. Adam province sure province Sure. I 2717 02:39:13,140 --> 02:39:17,640 think is the way it's pronounced in East York, Ontario. 6969 2718 02:39:17,970 --> 02:39:22,800 Kevin O'Brien Sir Kevin in Chicago, Illinois. 6060 2719 02:39:22,830 --> 02:39:26,550 Adam Curry: Hold on. Where's the the dangling and the Dix it's 2720 02:39:26,550 --> 02:39:27,690 gone? They didn't know. 2721 02:39:29,100 --> 02:39:30,900 John C Dvorak: I knew it wasn't gonna last. That's the right 2722 02:39:30,900 --> 02:39:38,880 fail to fail. Robert Stokes 5809 Sir Tigger, Max in Ventura. Dale 2723 02:39:38,910 --> 02:39:46,770 Washington. 5678. He's visiting he says the money is for Adam. 2724 02:39:46,830 --> 02:39:51,690 So he does house Thank you. God is cold down here. 29 degrees 2725 02:39:51,930 --> 02:39:54,960 from Spokane. It's where it is cold. 29 2726 02:39:54,960 --> 02:39:59,040 Adam Curry: degrees this morning. No, yeah. With Sun 2727 02:39:59,040 --> 02:40:01,770 sunshiny you Beautiful day 29 degrees. 2728 02:40:02,310 --> 02:40:04,470 John C Dvorak: I should make sure your fossils are dripping. 2729 02:40:04,680 --> 02:40:09,270 Yes, we're dripper James Edmondson in South Plainfield, 2730 02:40:09,270 --> 02:40:14,040 New Jersey 5510, Dean Roker 5510 Susie nonnamous and Liverpool 2731 02:40:14,040 --> 02:40:25,260 Mirza, UK 5510. Hank, Hank Ringel Berg in, in Toronto and 2732 02:40:25,290 --> 02:40:26,280 very Netherlands. 2733 02:40:26,580 --> 02:40:27,240 Adam Curry: Very good. 2734 02:40:28,350 --> 02:40:33,090 John C Dvorak: Steve Sprague in Kennewick Washington 5272. Also, 2735 02:40:33,090 --> 02:40:39,000 Hank came in fit 272 Joe Metzger 5272 from Vernon New York Rita 2736 02:40:39,000 --> 02:40:43,140 Harrington in Sparks Nevada 50 to 72 and she writes you're the 2737 02:40:43,140 --> 02:40:48,510 best. She's comes in from sparks with a donation every month at 2738 02:40:48,510 --> 02:40:54,660 least. Jonas Val? Val Lucas Volakas Philippus for like as in 2739 02:40:54,660 --> 02:40:59,250 Vilnius of all places, Lithuania 5033 which 2740 02:40:59,250 --> 02:41:01,650 Adam Curry: let me let me read this because I know who this is. 2741 02:41:01,680 --> 02:41:04,860 I don't know Jonas, but it's the first time donation and 2742 02:41:04,860 --> 02:41:08,010 switcheroo for birthday boy Adobe das gallinas from 2743 02:41:08,010 --> 02:41:11,610 Lithuania. I know him because he's part of the podcast and 2.0 2744 02:41:11,610 --> 02:41:15,990 crowd he runs RSS blue.com And it's his birthday today he 2745 02:41:15,990 --> 02:41:18,300 reached us a solid 30 years he hit me in the mouth and 2746 02:41:18,300 --> 02:41:21,540 introduces introduced this amazing podcast, so it's time to 2747 02:41:21,540 --> 02:41:28,170 repay please de du chemin. de Deus is an amazing guy. 2748 02:41:30,510 --> 02:41:33,060 John C Dvorak: Man now we have the $50 donors and they're just 2749 02:41:33,060 --> 02:41:35,670 read there's not too many donations today. I have to say, 2750 02:41:35,820 --> 02:41:40,650 No, I have to complaint Marshall spoon in Evansville, Indiana. 2751 02:41:40,650 --> 02:41:46,230 Nathan Cochran in Franklin, Tennessee Joan pulse in her 2752 02:41:46,230 --> 02:41:51,390 Nando Beach, Florida Peter odo in Ridgewood, New York Luke 2753 02:41:51,390 --> 02:41:56,760 Olsen in Alexandria Virginia. Alexander for Dae HO in Gig 2754 02:41:56,760 --> 02:41:59,910 Harbor, Washington Corey Bennett in Denver, Colorado Scott 2755 02:41:59,910 --> 02:42:04,440 lavender, Mr. Scott in Montgomery, Texas, gadget freak 2756 02:42:04,440 --> 02:42:11,880 10 in Western Springs, Illinois Jacob maple, David Schneider in 2757 02:42:11,910 --> 02:42:17,850 weight Hill, Ohio, surgery wing and Roth in good old Saugus, 2758 02:42:17,850 --> 02:42:21,540 California and last but not least, expecting to be heard 2759 02:42:21,540 --> 02:42:25,740 from spud the mighty in Marietta, Georgia. I want to 2760 02:42:25,740 --> 02:42:28,500 thank these people for making show 1635 a winner. 2761 02:42:28,590 --> 02:42:30,930 Adam Curry: And again, thank you everyone under $50 We don't 2762 02:42:30,930 --> 02:42:33,450 mention those reasons of anonymity. People love doing the 2763 02:42:33,450 --> 02:42:37,320 4999 and we have many of those sustaining donations, which on 2764 02:42:37,320 --> 02:42:39,810 days like today are highly appreciated. It keeps us going. 2765 02:42:40,050 --> 02:42:42,360 If you'd like to become an executive or Associate Executive 2766 02:42:42,360 --> 02:42:46,170 Producer, we're just a regular old producer a once a month 2767 02:42:46,170 --> 02:42:50,340 producer for a couple bucks we if everyone did that we would be 2768 02:42:50,340 --> 02:42:54,090 very happy. Go to no agenda donations.com That's no agenda 2769 02:42:54,090 --> 02:42:56,640 donations.com Here's the karma for those who requested 2770 02:43:04,410 --> 02:43:06,900 I forgot something. What I'm supposed to say is thank you 2771 02:43:06,900 --> 02:43:09,660 very much these people and our Executive Associate Executive 2772 02:43:09,660 --> 02:43:10,650 Producer formula 2773 02:43:10,650 --> 02:43:15,660 Unknown: is this. People in the mouth I knew I did something 2774 02:43:15,660 --> 02:43:15,990 wrong. 2775 02:43:20,100 --> 02:43:27,990 Adam Curry: Do you make coffee? No, it's not. No coffee feels 2776 02:43:27,990 --> 02:43:28,320 better. 2777 02:43:33,900 --> 02:43:38,700 Salah Howser turn 33 on February 7, we congratulate him also sir 2778 02:43:38,700 --> 02:43:43,080 dude named Ralph. On Valentine's Day the 14th and Jonas Baluchis 2779 02:43:43,110 --> 02:43:47,940 says Happy Birthday to Adobe das go Bina go bina 30 to some day 2780 02:43:47,940 --> 02:43:52,500 and Dana nice. Also celebrate today except she turns 59 Happy 2781 02:43:52,500 --> 02:43:55,320 birthday for everybody. Here's the best podcast in the universe 2782 02:44:04,170 --> 02:44:05,520 Unknown: don't want to be induced. 2783 02:44:05,940 --> 02:44:08,430 Adam Curry: I know it's a slow day and we don't have any days 2784 02:44:08,430 --> 02:44:12,510 or nights but we do have the title upgrade title change, sir 2785 02:44:12,510 --> 02:44:16,500 dude named Ralph who came in as our top producer today becomes a 2786 02:44:16,500 --> 02:44:19,590 byte count and we appreciate his support of the best podcast and 2787 02:44:19,590 --> 02:44:23,460 universe Thank you very much sir dude named Ralph now by Count no 2788 02:44:23,460 --> 02:44:24,180 one said 2789 02:44:30,390 --> 02:44:35,070 we had such a such a long list for all of those meetups that we 2790 02:44:35,070 --> 02:44:37,650 have a number of reports that came in the first one is written 2791 02:44:37,650 --> 02:44:41,550 from beach girl. This is the Connecticut meet up report from 2792 02:44:41,550 --> 02:44:45,210 the from February Adam and John and Morning Report and a 2793 02:44:45,210 --> 02:44:48,540 picture. She sent two pictures actually one from the I think 2794 02:44:49,320 --> 02:44:53,490 December meet up and the most recent one nice looking group. 2795 02:44:53,700 --> 02:44:57,540 This was on the 17th we had about 17 attendees on a snowy 2796 02:44:57,540 --> 02:45:01,710 Connecticut day which is great. Great Time, pizza beer and 2797 02:45:01,710 --> 02:45:03,810 drinks were flowing. This is a great group of people to hang 2798 02:45:03,810 --> 02:45:06,270 out with on a bi monthly basis to have open minded 2799 02:45:06,270 --> 02:45:10,680 conversations. I don't feel judged when I say no, I don't 2800 02:45:10,680 --> 02:45:14,370 listen to Taylor Swift. Cheap This is where you can do it a 2801 02:45:14,370 --> 02:45:17,520 meet up this is good stuff. There's always something new to 2802 02:45:17,520 --> 02:45:20,820 learn at these meetups were a fun group and welcome no agenda 2803 02:45:20,820 --> 02:45:23,370 listeners from surrounding states to attend. Yes, the tri 2804 02:45:23,370 --> 02:45:25,890 state area thank you for your courage all the best for beach 2805 02:45:25,890 --> 02:45:28,350 girl. Thank you beach girl. And thank you for organizing that 2806 02:45:28,350 --> 02:45:32,160 meetup where you always get protection from the no agenda 2807 02:45:32,160 --> 02:45:33,840 meetup connection. Hey, this 2808 02:45:33,840 --> 02:45:35,850 Unknown: is Kristen we're at docks and there's a pizza with 2809 02:45:35,850 --> 02:45:37,170 seven slices. 2810 02:45:37,200 --> 02:45:41,370 Adam Curry: This is the Texas meet up at Doc's backyard hosted 2811 02:45:41,370 --> 02:45:44,100 by Sir by the Baron of the arm racer Scott 2812 02:45:44,130 --> 02:45:47,850 Unknown: This is Sir do suffer ITM. I just came to celebrate my 2813 02:45:47,880 --> 02:45:51,210 fifth and sixth grade basketball team's victory over the once 2814 02:45:51,210 --> 02:45:53,850 undefeated team in the league. Let's go 2815 02:45:53,880 --> 02:45:58,230 This is Cody new to 500 in the morning sir Mike of Georgetown. 2816 02:45:58,230 --> 02:45:59,370 Howdy. Howdy sir 2817 02:45:59,370 --> 02:46:02,400 mon talks and I from the great state of Texas. This is running 2818 02:46:02,400 --> 02:46:04,440 from local 512 saying in the morning 2819 02:46:04,500 --> 02:46:07,200 I have nothing to report for this meetup. I'm hanging out 2820 02:46:07,200 --> 02:46:08,010 with my friends here. 2821 02:46:08,040 --> 02:46:11,910 Good afternoon citizens and slaves This is Sir Chris Barrett 2822 02:46:11,910 --> 02:46:19,530 in the North Austin. This is Brian was hanging out with this 2823 02:46:19,530 --> 02:46:20,460 is keeper Christine. 2824 02:46:20,610 --> 02:46:24,150 And this is Baron Scott. wishing everybody a Happy Valentine's 2825 02:46:24,150 --> 02:46:26,250 day in the morning in the 2826 02:46:26,250 --> 02:46:28,170 Adam Curry: morning to your brother Central Jersey at the 2827 02:46:28,170 --> 02:46:30,360 meet up with Sir our Daniel sir 2828 02:46:30,360 --> 02:46:33,000 Unknown: are Daniels here coming at you from the Garden State 2829 02:46:33,000 --> 02:46:38,250 distillery in beautiful downtown Toms River in the morning. Dave 2830 02:46:38,250 --> 02:46:40,770 Alcott here in the morning, three of us were just 2831 02:46:40,770 --> 02:46:44,040 reminiscing about the time we met John at sparks in the city. 2832 02:46:44,310 --> 02:46:47,070 Looking forward to Adam coming to the East Coast one more time 2833 02:46:47,280 --> 02:46:47,940 in the morning. 2834 02:46:48,090 --> 02:46:51,510 In the morning. It's Paul from Westfield lost my voice because 2835 02:46:51,510 --> 02:46:53,250 of the pea flower. This 2836 02:46:53,250 --> 02:46:55,740 is still where Pfister nuts in Toms River in the morning. 2837 02:46:56,760 --> 02:47:00,060 This is Jay thank you for your courage at the seven three to 2838 02:47:00,090 --> 02:47:04,050 meet up. This is Dave your energy efficient home is 2839 02:47:04,050 --> 02:47:13,080 flammable in the morning. Oh producer Joe Bobby The K is not 2840 02:47:13,080 --> 02:47:14,490 a knock. And finally 2841 02:47:14,490 --> 02:47:18,120 sir No, buddy. I got nothing great to say but there you go. 2842 02:47:18,420 --> 02:47:20,220 We appreciate you guys for everything you do. Thank you 2843 02:47:20,220 --> 02:47:20,910 John and Adam. 2844 02:47:23,730 --> 02:47:28,050 Adam Curry: Thank you, sir Daniels Daniel's Los Angeles now 2845 02:47:28,050 --> 02:47:31,230 flight of the no agenda 49 Leo Bravo hosting that one. Hey, 2846 02:47:31,230 --> 02:47:34,860 Unknown: everybody. It's Leo Bravo at Nolan did the meet up 2847 02:47:34,860 --> 02:47:38,970 number 49. Visitors have things to say 2848 02:47:39,030 --> 02:47:43,560 Hi, this is Angie from the ranch. Wonderful in downtown LA 2849 02:47:43,770 --> 02:47:46,080 next to the beautiful skyscrapers that have been 2850 02:47:46,080 --> 02:47:47,130 tagged in the 2851 02:47:47,130 --> 02:47:51,420 morning Adam and John and Stephen King from Boxelder South 2852 02:47:51,420 --> 02:47:52,050 Dakota. 2853 02:47:52,290 --> 02:47:54,540 revolts on here's 2854 02:47:54,540 --> 02:48:00,990 Rob. Mouths vent heads on stick mouth a gate or via that shuts 2855 02:48:01,080 --> 02:48:02,550 voted down now. Oh. 2856 02:48:04,110 --> 02:48:06,360 via chat via shots, 2857 02:48:06,390 --> 02:48:09,960 Adam Curry: fired shots. This vid. I have no idea what those 2858 02:48:09,960 --> 02:48:15,480 people were smoking. It's Los Angeles after they were smoking 2859 02:48:15,480 --> 02:48:21,660 something. And finally we have the meet up for a report from 2860 02:48:21,660 --> 02:48:22,950 Fort Wayne, Indiana. 2861 02:48:23,730 --> 02:48:26,040 Unknown: Mmm John in the morning it's the Fort Wayne reporting 2862 02:48:26,040 --> 02:48:27,180 and we had eight in attendance 2863 02:48:27,210 --> 02:48:30,270 the Ohio bloke in the morning in the morning. In 2864 02:48:30,270 --> 02:48:33,780 the morning in the Morning John and PBR street gang looking for 2865 02:48:33,810 --> 02:48:37,140 Zippy damn Trinity having a great time in Fort Wayne, Mike 2866 02:48:37,140 --> 02:48:40,530 in Fort Wayne group having a great time. This is Jared Hi. 2867 02:48:40,650 --> 02:48:42,570 Hi, Shelly from Fort Wayne. 2868 02:48:42,750 --> 02:48:45,450 This is Rachel we didn't find any hairy balls here in Fort 2869 02:48:45,450 --> 02:48:46,590 Wayne but we did Look 2870 02:48:48,060 --> 02:48:49,800 Adam Curry: sir PBR street gang calling out zip 2871 02:48:52,620 --> 02:48:54,480 Unknown: connection in her bag did no agenda. 2872 02:48:56,130 --> 02:49:03,360 Sometimes you want to go hang out with the Dyson days you 2873 02:49:04,590 --> 02:49:12,060 won't be triggered you to be where everybody feels the same. 2874 02:49:12,660 --> 02:49:13,110 As if he 2875 02:49:13,110 --> 02:49:15,390 Adam Curry: got a little enthusiastic there. We needed to 2876 02:49:15,390 --> 02:49:19,080 mention the meetups for today the indie na tribal lingering 2877 02:49:19,080 --> 02:49:23,460 love fest meetup that's underway now at St. Joseph's brewery and 2878 02:49:23,460 --> 02:49:27,270 public house in Indianapolis, Indiana. Thursday, the guardians 2879 02:49:27,270 --> 02:49:30,930 of reality in Northern Kentucky 1130 In the morning at Velocity 2880 02:49:30,930 --> 02:49:33,930 bike and being in Florence, Kentucky. And finally also on 2881 02:49:33,930 --> 02:49:36,630 Thursday that's the 22nd of February the no agenda, geo 2882 02:49:36,630 --> 02:49:41,190 jigsaw, Singapore Sling meet up 630 That'll be in Singapore The 2883 02:49:41,190 --> 02:49:45,540 Prince of Wales pub in Singapore, Singapore Jesse Coyne 2884 02:49:45,540 --> 02:49:48,990 Nelson. Big enough show mixer dude. We'll be hosting that. I 2885 02:49:48,990 --> 02:49:51,690 hope someone shows up. He doesn't always have like he's 2886 02:49:51,690 --> 02:49:55,800 done them in. What do you do? He didn't. He always 2887 02:49:55,800 --> 02:49:58,740 John C Dvorak: does the weird fights very floating around and 2888 02:49:58,740 --> 02:50:01,080 you find some weird places. Besides that a meet up. 2889 02:50:01,140 --> 02:50:03,420 Adam Curry: Yeah, he was in Korea. He didn't want in Korea. 2890 02:50:03,420 --> 02:50:06,240 He did. Didn't he do one? Infernus 2891 02:50:06,240 --> 02:50:07,650 John C Dvorak: used to go to a local bar. 2892 02:50:07,680 --> 02:50:10,290 Adam Curry: I think he did one in Lebanon. Yeah, I 2893 02:50:10,710 --> 02:50:14,310 John C Dvorak: think so to Lebanon or X 11 was gonna Yeah, 2894 02:50:14,340 --> 02:50:15,990 Adam Curry: go back to Lebanon. That was that was a fun 2895 02:50:15,990 --> 02:50:21,990 location. We'll see how it is now. Brother, I suppose I 2896 02:50:21,990 --> 02:50:22,380 suppose 2897 02:50:23,160 --> 02:50:25,170 John C Dvorak: North Lebanon is best. 2898 02:50:25,470 --> 02:50:28,950 Adam Curry: Okay. Yes, we're currently North Lebanon is 2899 02:50:28,950 --> 02:50:29,970 better. Yes. 2900 02:50:30,750 --> 02:50:35,460 John C Dvorak: I have to Okay. I have Spam. Spam. 2901 02:50:36,810 --> 02:50:39,630 Adam Curry: Spam, not bad, not bad. And 2902 02:50:39,630 --> 02:50:42,210 John C Dvorak: then I have blah blah, blah blah blah. Okay, we 2903 02:50:42,210 --> 02:50:42,510 get it. 2904 02:50:43,320 --> 02:50:46,860 Adam Curry: Also not bad. I have this one. I don't think I liked 2905 02:50:46,860 --> 02:50:49,590 this one. We deserved to know who's been manipulating us. They 2906 02:50:49,590 --> 02:50:53,910 can't even hear it. Now can't hear it. Amazing potential. I 2907 02:50:53,910 --> 02:51:00,540 can't like kinda like that one. And let's get trashed. I think 2908 02:51:00,540 --> 02:51:02,250 your blah blah blah is the best one. Yeah, I 2909 02:51:02,250 --> 02:51:03,900 John C Dvorak: think the blah blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. 2910 02:51:03,960 --> 02:51:05,280 Okay, we get it. Yeah, I 2911 02:51:05,280 --> 02:51:07,440 Adam Curry: like that. Because that's that's really awesome, 2912 02:51:07,440 --> 02:51:09,750 isn't it? Blah, blah. Pretty much two dogs 2913 02:51:09,750 --> 02:51:12,810 John C Dvorak: on the hill. And now it's time for Google 2914 02:51:14,670 --> 02:51:18,630 Adam Curry: JC and amazing happenstance for those you 2915 02:51:18,630 --> 02:51:21,780 listening to this particular episode of the no agenda show 2916 02:51:21,780 --> 02:51:24,030 not one but two good news clips. 2917 02:51:24,450 --> 02:51:27,270 John C Dvorak: This little short one, which is I don't like him 2918 02:51:27,270 --> 02:51:31,110 this short. But we found it fun and interesting anomaly. And I'm 2919 02:51:31,110 --> 02:51:32,910 just going to put it out there first because it's probably a 2920 02:51:32,910 --> 02:51:37,110 producer too that works for one of these stations are owned by 2921 02:51:37,110 --> 02:51:41,550 grey television. Okay, they own stations all over the country. 2922 02:51:41,850 --> 02:51:46,020 The websites are identical. The websites is like you see when I 2923 02:51:46,020 --> 02:51:48,510 kept looking at these website maybe sent me a couple of these 2924 02:51:48,510 --> 02:51:51,180 things. I look at it this website looks like the other 2925 02:51:51,180 --> 02:51:54,090 website but this guy's in South Dakota and it says over here, 2926 02:51:54,120 --> 02:51:58,800 it's templatized its template websites from gray televisions 2927 02:51:58,800 --> 02:52:03,810 and the videos don't work. It's a piece of shit website. 2928 02:52:03,900 --> 02:52:06,120 Adam Curry: Hey, you're leading into good news. Where's the 2929 02:52:06,120 --> 02:52:07,530 enthusiasm? Okay, 2930 02:52:07,530 --> 02:52:09,780 John C Dvorak: I'm sorry about that. Okay, here we go. Nice. 2931 02:52:10,230 --> 02:52:15,750 Great news story about a shaving the furry little animals that 2932 02:52:15,750 --> 02:52:17,520 are in the ocean. This 2933 02:52:17,550 --> 02:52:21,720 Unknown: seal pup was rescued Saturday at Cape Henlopen state 2934 02:52:21,720 --> 02:52:24,990 park right near the point. The team at the marine education 2935 02:52:24,990 --> 02:52:28,440 research and rehabilitation of myrrh says it's been responding 2936 02:52:28,440 --> 02:52:32,250 to a lot of recent calls for seal pups stranding, she 2937 02:52:32,250 --> 02:52:34,350 Adam Curry: was then transported to the National Aquarium in 2938 02:52:34,350 --> 02:52:38,040 Baltimore for further rehabilitation. And hopefully a 2939 02:52:38,040 --> 02:52:43,680 release she's okay. I don't know man. I mean, there wasn't much 2940 02:52:43,680 --> 02:52:48,900 of a story there. CO pub. Oh, it has to be at least a minute and 2941 02:52:48,900 --> 02:52:50,250 it didn't talk about hard 2942 02:52:50,250 --> 02:52:53,790 John C Dvorak: yeah, you're getting picky. Okay. It has to 2943 02:52:53,790 --> 02:52:55,740 be a minute we can do we can work with 2944 02:52:55,770 --> 02:52:57,900 Adam Curry: it didn't target my heart. This cute 2945 02:53:04,710 --> 02:53:15,390 good news there it is everybody your good news for today. I know 2946 02:53:15,390 --> 02:53:18,150 I'm getting picky. But you know, I want people to leave this show 2947 02:53:18,150 --> 02:53:23,520 thinking wow. I love those good. Those guys. Great. Good news. I 2948 02:53:23,520 --> 02:53:28,830 feel good. I feel positive. You understand that, don't you? 2949 02:53:29,370 --> 02:53:31,260 John C Dvorak: Yeah. Well, you know, it's not as easy as it 2950 02:53:31,260 --> 02:53:36,900 looks. Clearly, especially when gray television can't seem to 2951 02:53:36,900 --> 02:53:42,300 get a website to work. Works for me, Mimi says. I said well, I 2952 02:53:42,300 --> 02:53:46,350 tried it on Chrome. I tried it on and without a VPN with a VPN 2953 02:53:46,350 --> 02:53:48,150 doesn't matter that the videos won't you 2954 02:53:48,150 --> 02:53:51,720 Adam Curry: need to switch to Nick's man. It works on all 2955 02:53:51,720 --> 02:53:57,330 Nick's boxes I've been told. And of show mixes Professor J. 2956 02:53:57,330 --> 02:54:01,200 Jones. They're in China. We got sound guy Steve and Secret Agent 2957 02:54:01,200 --> 02:54:04,560 Paul, we have some dynamite inner show mixes. And coming up 2958 02:54:04,560 --> 02:54:08,070 next on no agenda. stream.com Troll room.io. And if you just 2959 02:54:08,070 --> 02:54:10,860 keep listening in your modern podcast, app hawks story, 2960 02:54:11,910 --> 02:54:16,350 Episode 390. Honey Honey Hole, the title of it can't wait. And 2961 02:54:16,350 --> 02:54:19,110 I'm coming to you from the heart of the Texas hill country here 2962 02:54:19,110 --> 02:54:22,530 in FEMA Region number six in the morning, everybody. I'm Adam 2963 02:54:22,530 --> 02:54:22,950 curry. 2964 02:54:23,070 --> 02:54:25,620 John C Dvorak: Ben from Northern Silicon Valley where I'm going 2965 02:54:25,620 --> 02:54:30,360 to be working on the P and the E cores have an Intel processor. 2966 02:54:30,360 --> 02:54:31,950 I'm John C. Dvorak. We'll return 2967 02:54:32,010 --> 02:54:35,490 Adam Curry: on Thursday right here until then, adios mofos who 2968 02:54:35,490 --> 02:54:40,170 ends our pick for Super Bowl Sunday was controversial to say 2969 02:54:40,170 --> 02:54:44,220 the least. So we're celebrating a bit ahead. keeps us on our 2970 02:54:44,220 --> 02:54:46,380 toes. And this was a but 2971 02:54:46,680 --> 02:54:49,650 John C Dvorak: callate pitches but calla pinches 2972 02:54:50,010 --> 02:54:53,820 Adam Curry: what was wrong with us. It's disgusting. And he was 2973 02:54:53,820 --> 02:54:58,050 triggering to him. said no we're doing the but it was like a 2974 02:54:58,050 --> 02:55:02,610 dance. I can't wait to Listen to this show and this was a 2975 02:55:03,360 --> 02:55:06,840 everyone's it's okay for Kim Kardashian to be all over your 2976 02:55:06,840 --> 02:55:10,590 timeline with her calla Pina SNESs You go girl, 2977 02:55:11,880 --> 02:55:12,780 John C Dvorak: big giant, 2978 02:55:12,810 --> 02:55:15,810 Adam Curry: but he was triggering to him. As you said, 2979 02:55:15,810 --> 02:55:17,070 No, we're doing the budget. 2980 02:55:17,880 --> 02:55:18,570 John C Dvorak: Dance. 2981 02:55:18,930 --> 02:55:21,390 Adam Curry: What was wrong with us? It's disgusting. 2982 02:55:22,050 --> 02:55:24,750 John C Dvorak: Khaled pigeon is one version of the word McCallum 2983 02:55:24,750 --> 02:55:29,970 PJs is having shape and buttocks. We're like you're 2984 02:55:29,970 --> 02:55:30,840 discussing 2985 02:55:38,340 --> 02:55:39,060 Adam Curry: go girl. 2986 02:55:40,560 --> 02:55:41,580 Unknown: She said no, we're 2987 02:55:41,580 --> 02:55:42,300 doing the bus. 2988 02:55:45,390 --> 02:55:48,540 John C Dvorak: Big giant dance. 2989 02:55:51,660 --> 02:55:55,440 Adam Curry: I can't wait to listen to this show. And I said 2990 02:55:55,470 --> 02:56:00,120 can we do that and you went No. We're doing the keeps us on our 2991 02:56:00,120 --> 02:56:02,310 toes. What was wrong with us? 2992 02:56:02,370 --> 02:56:03,540 Unknown: It's disgusting. 2993 02:56:04,110 --> 02:56:05,550 John C Dvorak: There was no it was like a dance. 2994 02:56:06,780 --> 02:56:12,180 Adam Curry: Is having shapely buttocks. You go girl tonight. 2995 02:56:12,450 --> 02:56:18,240 Vladimir Putin. Vladimir Putin. Vladimir. Vladimir. Putin 2996 02:56:18,240 --> 02:56:22,560 Russians. Russia. Vladimir Putin Putin Vladimir Putin, Ukraine 2997 02:56:22,560 --> 02:56:25,890 Putin. President Vladimir Putin is Vladimir Putin Ukraine. 2998 02:56:26,280 --> 02:56:28,740 Ukraine, Russia. Putin, Vladimir Putin. 2999 02:56:29,220 --> 02:56:31,440 Unknown: Vladimir Putin Solinsky the Ukrainians. 3000 02:56:32,040 --> 02:56:34,650 John C Dvorak: Credit Biden Vladimir Putin, Russia, Ukraine. 3001 02:56:35,790 --> 02:56:38,580 What was Ukraine who was Ukraine where it was Ukraine President 3002 02:56:38,580 --> 02:56:39,900 Putin President Solinsky 3003 02:56:39,900 --> 02:56:42,570 Unknown: Joe Biden glug Amir Putin Vladimir Putin. 3004 02:56:43,530 --> 02:56:44,850 Vladimir Putin, Russia 3005 02:56:44,880 --> 02:56:48,150 Vladimir Putin, Ukraine Vladimir Putin bombing Ukraine Russian 3006 02:56:48,150 --> 02:56:52,140 President Vladimir Putin, Russia Ukraine. Ukraine says when it 3007 02:56:52,140 --> 02:56:53,850 comes to Ukraine, invading 3008 02:56:55,800 --> 02:56:58,920 Ukraine is a feather democracy in Ukraine brutal invasion of 3009 02:56:58,920 --> 02:57:03,300 Ukraine. Lateran the Russian offensive against Ukraine 3010 02:57:03,300 --> 02:57:07,440 continues Russia atrocities President Zelensky of Ukraine. I 3011 02:57:07,440 --> 02:57:10,470 really hope that you are willing to get together and can solve 3012 02:57:10,470 --> 02:57:13,170 your problem. That would be a tremendous achievement. And I 3013 02:57:13,170 --> 02:57:16,200 know you've tried to do it you underestimate Vladimir Putin's 3014 02:57:16,200 --> 02:57:19,740 intention to with his brutal assault on Ukraine Russia. 3015 02:57:19,980 --> 02:57:23,310 Russian missiles continued to rain down on the port city of 3016 02:57:23,310 --> 02:57:25,350 Odessa for scenes of carnage in 3017 02:57:25,350 --> 02:57:30,900 Ukraine is a centrally located strategic country in your world. 3018 02:57:30,900 --> 02:57:34,650 Trump repeatedly asked his Ukrainian counterpart Volodymyr 3019 02:57:34,650 --> 02:57:38,970 Zelensky. To investigate the former vice president, Russia's 3020 02:57:38,970 --> 02:57:40,380 President Vladimir Putin, 3021 02:57:40,410 --> 02:57:43,770 do we need to be prepared for the continued destruction of 3022 02:57:43,770 --> 02:57:48,720 Ukrainians? Putin is the great disrupter put his military is 3023 02:57:48,720 --> 02:57:49,560 falling apart. 3024 02:57:49,770 --> 02:57:54,420 There's a price to pay for peace and democracy. Please again 3025 02:57:54,510 --> 02:57:56,730 my request don't trust Bucha 3026 02:57:58,800 --> 02:58:02,010 have no clue and you don't know where there's fake news. Why 3027 02:58:02,010 --> 02:58:04,050 don't you get your get mo fix 3028 02:58:05,160 --> 02:58:13,830 food and all dressed up like a million dollar true. Trying not 3029 02:58:13,830 --> 02:58:19,020 to look like Anderson Cooper. Calm let's fix where John 3030 02:58:19,020 --> 02:58:24,780 Podesta walks with kids. I mean pizzas in his mid boot or on the 3031 02:58:24,780 --> 02:58:38,490 race.org/in 3032 02:58:40,590 --> 02:58:42,150 Blah blah blah. Okay, we get it.