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John C Dvorak: It's over the
hill. Adam curry. John C Dvorak,

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Adam Curry: Sunday, September 29
2024 this is your award winning

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gibo nation. Media
assassination, Episode 1699,

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Unknown: this is no agenda,

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Adam Curry: celebrating climate
week and broadcasting live from

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the heart of the Texas new
country, right here in FEMA

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Region. Number six in the
morning, everybody. I'm Adam

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John C Dvorak: for Northern
Silicon Valley, where we're all

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saying, stop advertising and
promoting gambling to the

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American public. I'm John C
Dvorak. It's Craig

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Unknown: Vaughn and buzzkill in
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Adam Curry: I hear it's very bad
for people.

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Unknown: Yeah, I've heard that
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Adam Curry: It's like, it gets
people all addicted, and then

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they lose all their money. Yeah,

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John C Dvorak: yeah. But Mimi
used to. Mimi used to when she

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was younger. Was a kid, high
school, I guess she used to live

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in Reno. Oh, boy, she's and she
says she shot

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Adam Curry: a man in Reno just
to watch him die, didn't she?

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John C Dvorak: remembers these
new kids that would come into

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the high school, yeah. And then
they within six months, the one

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or two of the parents had a gap
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sure. And they had to leave the
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California, Iowa, or wherever
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were, they just went broke. But
people are so pathetic. She lost

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a lot of friends. They have some
friends. And the next thing you

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know, they had to move out of
the state because they couldn't

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maintain a, you know, a normal
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Adam Curry: Well, I'm glad that
you're sharing this with us, so

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everybody can check themselves,
check yourself, people.

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John C Dvorak: Well, I got, got
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watching the football stuff
today, you know, in the morning,

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before the game started, and
they have all these different

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analysts Come on, and they're
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This is on the sports shows,

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Adam Curry: just doing it in the
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itself. Now,

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John C Dvorak: yes, it's gone
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and all these couple, two,
three, these gambling

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operations. And they're, it's
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but still, really. And they're,
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They're promoting people to
throw money away. Do

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Adam Curry: they have prop bets?
My favorite prop bet? Yes. Prop

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bets, mostly prop, almost

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John C Dvorak: everything's a
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Adam Curry: Hey, are they coming
to take you away. What's with

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John C Dvorak: I don't know. You
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like living in New York.

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Adam Curry: It's because Kamala
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John C Dvorak: I don't know what
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Adam Curry: you know, Kamala was
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John C Dvorak: Yes, I saw that.
I maybe have some clips I do. I

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saw I saw the news coverage.
It's pathetic.

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Unknown: Vice President Kamala
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tonight into San Francisco might
have had an obstacle or two. Our

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crews spotted a way low vehicle
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the motorcade route by police.
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makes what could be her final
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election. A little after 830
Friday evening, the VP touched

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down at SFO as her motorcade
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Francisco an autonomous Waymo
got stuck making a turn. The San

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Francisco police officer had to
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Adam Curry: That's great some
way. Mo advertisement there.

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That's good, that's good, yeah,
and I guess she went to the

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border. Was that the California,
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John C Dvorak: I don't know. I
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Adam Curry: I just presumed that
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John C Dvorak: yesterday, I
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Adam Curry: of you said nothing
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John C Dvorak: did. I appreciate
it on purpose. And so she goes

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there, and then she starts
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Adam Curry: Yes, this is, well,
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this is just one of those
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says is great. Earlier

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Unknown: in the day, Harris made
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Arizona in years. Harris
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illegal immigration. She spoke
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as they walked along the wall.
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issues at stake in this
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security of our border. The
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nation, and I believe we have a
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John C Dvorak: Wow. Okay, you
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I didn't get that I saw that
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because that is unbelievable.
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Adam Curry: very much. Well,
Bob, I have clips I think, and

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John C Dvorak: I don't think so.
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to the height of hypocrisy.

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Adam Curry: Oh no, no, no, not.
And by the way, for people who

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tune in like, Hey, I listen to
that no agenda show, sounds like

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they got an agenda. Yes, we're
against idiots. We're against

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liars, liars and idiots. Which
former President Trump takes it

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to the next level. This is the
clip that was being played all

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morning on the M 5m Joe

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Unknown: Biden became mentally
impaired. Kamala was born that

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Adam Curry: So of course, none
of them played it in context,

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which we will do now we will do
yes, of course, borders

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Unknown: are Harris went to the
border to lie in the most

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shameless and horrible way
possible. At the very site where

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she released so much suffering,
misery and death, there's no

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greater act of disloyalty than
to extinguish the sovereignty of

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your own nation, right through
your border, no matter what lie

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she tells, Kamala Harris can
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erasing our border, and she must
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President of the United States.
She must never be allowed that's

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over 647,572 migrant criminals
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pillage, thieve, plunder, and
kill the people of the United

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States of America, and they're
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only going to get worse. They're
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law enforcement system, we have
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our people are told not to do
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do anything. And they come from
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love our system. Kamala is
mentally impaired. Every

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Republican did what she did,

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every Republican did what she
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impeached and removed from
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Biden became mentally impaired.
Kamala was born that way. She

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and if you think about it, only
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have allowed this to happen to
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this?

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Adam Curry: Yeah. So a little
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John C Dvorak: It's a much
better clip in context. Oh,

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Adam Curry: of course it is. It
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that's not what they do. That's
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the way, just because, you know,
there's always people who say,

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Yo, Trump, he never lies, right?
He never lies.

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John C Dvorak: You must have got
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Adam Curry: That's just the
troll room. What are you talking

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John C Dvorak: want to mention
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brought that into that clip,
which is the number of, you

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know, the, I guess somebody in
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numbers, yeah, of number of
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released into the country, the
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And so this morning, I'm you
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note somebody sent me early this
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Margaret Hoover is actually kind
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and she's interviewing Hillary
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Adam Curry: yeah, I haven't seen
it yet, in the frontline,

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frontline interview

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John C Dvorak: firing line. She

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Adam Curry: needs to lay off the
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John C Dvorak: Well, Hoover has
always been kind of a bogus,

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conservative. She's an old, some
old school style. I'm

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Adam Curry: just saying just as
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production. Tip back off, on the
lip gloss, Hoover, it looks

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creepy. Well,

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John C Dvorak: she's creepy,
yeah, so maybe you're

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projecting. Okay, okay, creepy,
yes, and pretty, but creepy. The

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other one in this category, and
I should mention, because it's a

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pet peeve of mine, is Shannon
Bream, yes, who always thought

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it was the one of the prettiest
girls on Fox ever, and but she's

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exactly and once she gets off of
Fox, I'm telling you, she's

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going to turn into another
Margaret Hoover, because I was

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watching today, she was
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Georgia, and they brought up
this issue of all these, these

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criminals that were released
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blue. And I didn't get a clip
because it was still done,

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finished, but she did say the
she said, Oh, well, you that

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doesn't take into account all of
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incarcerated, just just what?
Just just this comment, huh. And

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it was like, why you even? What
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anything? And she's and bream
was the one, it

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Adam Curry: was on now, one we
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John C Dvorak: was on Gutfeld.
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lawfare and how these five cases
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happened at the same time with
all a bunch of people that quit

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the Justice Department and gone
to these different areas to all

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do this all at once, indictments
of Trump and bremo. No, no,

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there's no way that's a coin.
That's just a coincidence.

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Adam Curry: Really, what is she
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John C Dvorak: She is a she is
an Ajahn provocateur. She should

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not be out at Fox at all, but
she's got this, you know, nice

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smile and you're making like a
fox girl. That's

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Adam Curry: why she's at Fox. We
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John C Dvorak: Yes, yes, I know.
I'm just trying to, I I'm

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normalizing the concept that
she's, you know, that, yeah, I

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agree at at a base levels, that
sucks. Is no good. But anyway, I

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just that was a pet peeve of
mine. I got, got out of this,

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Adam Curry: And unfortunately,
when, when Trump went through

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that list, he said he forgot to
say, they rob you forgot, and

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they forgot. They're eating the
dogs. He should just throw that

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in from time to time. I miss
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John C Dvorak: Have you seen the
tick tocks of all these girls

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dancing to a to a mix of he's
they're eating the dogs. They're

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Adam Curry: I've, I've seen
different mixes of their eating

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the cats eating dogs, but
haven't seen the girls dancing

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to it, because, John, that's

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John C Dvorak: your Tiktok
dipshit dancers.

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Adam Curry: Is that like the
solid gold dancers? The Tiktok

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dipshit dancers? Yeah, exactly.
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John C Dvorak: a new version.

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Adam Curry: So right on cue with
this news that there's over

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600,000 criminals Aurora
Colorado, I guess they put out a

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press release, and I I guess
they haven't, or from what I

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understand, they have a new
police guy. Like, did they throw

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out the old guy? And we missed
that, because I think in this

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report, it says there's a new
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John C Dvorak: I didn't hear
this either. Oh, well,

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Adam Curry: this so listen to
how they downplay the apartment

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complex issue. Good

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Unknown: evening and thank you
for joining us for Denver Seven

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News at Five on this Friday. I'm

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Jessica Porter

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and I'm Jason grenauer. First,
Aurora officials are threatening

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to close two apartment complexes
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include an uptick in crime and
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Adam Curry: notice they got
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communications. Yeah, that's a
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Unknown: communications where
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management company addresses the
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Adam Curry: consequences. It's
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our internal communications.
It's not TDA, it's no gang. It's

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just criminal nuisance. Two
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deeming them quote criminal
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of Aurora city code. The letters
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as soon as september 30, if
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John C Dvorak: it's a nuisance.
It's just a criminal the way

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they downplay it. That was
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Adam Curry: what you do with it.
When an internal communication

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suddenly winds up at the six
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seven. I mean, yeah, of course,
a criminal nuisance, the real

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nuisance, which I'm so happy I
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only been hearing about it and
and been seeing the the

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headlines. And this is about the
looming strike, which would kick

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off on Tuesday of the long the
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with the guy's actually good.
There's a couple of these.

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this week? This is where you get
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what's up with shipping podcast?
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little. The second one's short.
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first of all, why they want
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still unresolved. So anything
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Unknown: But today's world, it's
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They're not making millions. No
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and they're spending it fast as
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that for my men, because when
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during covid, when my men had to
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single day, when everybody
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Not my men. They died out there
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with the virus. We kept them
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Texas, Great Lakes, Puerto Rico,
now the Bahamas, everybody went

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to work during covid. Nobody
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compensated for that. I'm not
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what I want. They know what they
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then I have to go into the
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what we rightfully deserve.
These people today don't know

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what a Shrike is, right? When my
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to Texas, every single port are
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First week, be all over the news
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guys who sell cars can't sell
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coming in off the ships. They
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are closing down. They can't get
the goods from China. They can't

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sell clothes. They can't do
this. Everything in the United

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States comes on a ship.

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Adam Curry: Yeah, but wait,
there's more and a threat at the

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end,

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Unknown: they go out of
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get laid off because the
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steel is not coming in, the
lumber is not coming in. They

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lose their job. Everybody,

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Adam Curry: by the way, does
this guy sound like George

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Carlin? Or what?

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John C Dvorak: You know, he has
a George I was wondering what he

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sounded like, and I didn't catch
that, that angle of it. Yes,

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not coming in. They lose their
job. Everybody's hating the

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longshoreman now, because now
they realize how important our

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jobs are. Now I have the
president screaming at me, I'm

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putting a TAF Harley on you. Go
ahead. Taft Harley means I have

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to go back to work for 90 days
after cooling off period. Do you

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think when I go back to 90 days
Those men are going to go to

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work on that pier? It's going to
cost the money the company's

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money to pay their salaries?
Well, they got one from 30 moves

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an hour, maybe to eight. They're
going to be like this. Who's

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going to win here in the long
run? You're better off sitting

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down and let's get a contract,
and let's move on with this

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world and today's world, I'll
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And you have no idea what that
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Adam Curry: I will cripple you.
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John C Dvorak: there's a couple
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One is that the longshores did
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and he doesn't mention that. But
no, he does not. He does not. He

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does. He talks about Texas, the
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West Coast. And so I'm just just
stay if, if people are looking

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for investment opportunities,

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Adam Curry: not investment
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John C Dvorak: just
opportunities. I don't, and I

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don't know what they would be,
but if the if they shut down the

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east coast. The West Coast will
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means Seattle, Portland,
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down the coast. The these ports
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has to be redirected so and so.
That means the rail out here and

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everything else is going to be
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ridiculous. The fact is, we're
going to be swamped. Well, you

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Adam Curry: have those ships
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course, because they won't be
able to handle that's

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John C Dvorak: what will end up
happening. The whole Bay will be

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filled with a bunch of boats,
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Adam Curry: prices will have to
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the now

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John C Dvorak: nightmarish at
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hand, it's going to be a boom,
at least locally, on, you know,

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the West Coast. Well, bully for
you. Well, I'm, I'm not looking

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forward to it. The traffic's bad
enough. Yeah, no kidding,

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because that means the trucks
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me, the place, just the freeways
will be filled with trucks

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getting this stuff as far east
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it gets to Denver, it's going to
do. I mean, it's just not

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It's not possible. And the

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Adam Curry: good news is
Washington, DC will be affected

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by this, so that will, that will
get their attention. Now. Taft

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Hartley, Taft Hartley, I think,
is what it is that's a provision

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that the the president can call
call upon to force the union, I

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John C Dvorak: have to review
that again. I forgot what, how

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Adam Curry: Well, he made it
sound like, okay, that means we

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have to go back to work for
9090, days, and we'll be

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working. Yeah,

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John C Dvorak: unions call it,
but this,

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Adam Curry: and he makes an
incredible. Valid point, like,

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oh, we had to work. We were
essential workers during Covic.

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As he said, Covic, you mean
covid? This guy was authentic,

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man. He's got tats. He's, you
know, he's got the big chain

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Sherman, their bicycle chain
around his neck. Yeah, they're

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not good on him. We need a
little bit of crippling here.

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Wake people? Well, no, we

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John C Dvorak: don't wake people
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Adam Curry: Get them, get them.
Get them. Get them. He's

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John C Dvorak: right. He did say
one thing in there that I

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thought was very noteworthy,
which was, nobody knows what a

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real strike is like in our
current in our current

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environment. The millennials
don't know what it's like. The

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disease. Don't know what it's
like. Most of the you know, the

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the Gen X Don't, don't, have
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Unknown: got it two days. Yeah,
we'll see.

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Adam Curry: Yeah. I don't know
exactly what

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John C Dvorak: the real strikes,
a real strike, a real bad thing.

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Adam Curry: Yeah, what happened
to Boeing? Did that get resolved

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after their final and best
price?

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John C Dvorak: I have no idea
what's going on there. I didn't,

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well, I didn't follow it close
enough. So I don't know what's

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going on, but it's nothing like
what this. This is a big deal.

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The Boeing thing is a, you know,
just the one company. No

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Adam Curry: talks broke off
without progress. So no, yeah,

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John C Dvorak: they can stagger
along. That's not going to

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affect the economy much.

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Adam Curry: Well, it's probably
good because, well, you heard

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the latest about Boeing.

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Unknown: No this morning,
another black eye for Boeing.

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Black Eye for Boeing, the NTSB
issuing an urgent safety warning

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over a key part in some of its
embattled 737 Max jets, just the

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latest blow to one of the
world's biggest aviation

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companies, which has faced a
series of setbacks this year,

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including an ongoing strike and
that door plug blowout in

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January. The new issue regards
the rudder control system on

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some 737 Max and ng aircraft
first discovered in February

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when united pilots reported
rudder pedals on their max eight

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became stuck in neutral. Let

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me just tell you something.

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Adam Curry: The rudder pedals
are pretty important for landing

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in particular, also for
takeoffs. You know, in flight

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also, but you really can't land
with a crosswind if you don't

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have a rudder pedal. It's going
to be very difficult, as

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Unknown: they landed at Newark
International in that incident,

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the plane landed safely.

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The rudder is that vertical fin
on the tail of the airplane that

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pilots use sometimes, whenever
they need to counter a stiff

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crosswind, or if there's an
engine failure. It's not used

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all the time, but it's there for
a reason, and that's for

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potential emergencies or
maneuvering ability.

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Adam Curry: It's that's a little
disingenuous. You need the

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rudder. It's just you need or
you can't. The flying the

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aircraft without a rudder is no
good.

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Unknown: NTSB investigators say
testing determined a sealed

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bearing was incorrectly
assembled during production, and

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that Collins aerospace, which
manufactures that part, notified

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Boeing that more than 350 had
been delivered to Boeing Since

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2017 and were affected. In a
statement, Boeing says last

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month it informed affected 737,
operators, airlines, of the

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potential problem, adding
they're working with a supplier

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to address it. United Airlines
is the only US carrier that had

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the component in its planes and
says they've already been

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replaced. No

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Adam Curry: so it's already
done. The no panic, just united.

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They had dudes and dresses
replace the parts. It's all good

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to fix it. They fixed it. It's
all good. Their CEO dude in a

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dress. Come on. It's we wrapped
up climate week, and you and I

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didn't even notice, yeah, we
kind of missed it. I'm sad.

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There was so much else going on,
and NPR was all over it. They

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had a climate solutions week. Is
what they had on the on the air.

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John C Dvorak: I was listening
to it all along. I never heard

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in

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Adam Curry: here. Oh, well, it
was. It was mainly centered in

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New York. Is where that was the
headquarters of climate week.

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And just you know, NPR has big
problems with their podcast

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division. It's essentially
closing.

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John C Dvorak: But should they
got no good podcasting, and they

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keep promoting them and ruining
the normal programming.

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Adam Curry: Well, I got the
credits from the shortwave

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episode. Is called shortwave,
which is the NPR podcast, and

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then this is the Climate
Solutions edition of shortwave.

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Maybe if we listen to the
credits, we can understand why

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they're going out of business.
This

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Hannah chin and edited by our

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showrunner, Rebecca Ramirez
Tyler Jones. Checked the facts.

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Yes, the audio engineer was
James Willetts. Beth Donovan is

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our senior director, and Colin
Campbell is our senior vice

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president of podcasting
strategy.

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I'm Regina Barber, thanks for
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Adam Curry: We need a vice
president of podcasting

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strategies on this show, and a
showrunner. I want a showrunner,

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a showrunner. Dana Brunetti
should be our show runner. He

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would be good at being our show

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John C Dvorak: he considered, he
probably considers that lousy

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job. Oh, it's

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Adam Curry: the well, he was a
show runner, right? Wasn't he

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the showrunner

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John C Dvorak: for a house of
cards? No, I

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Adam Curry: think he was the
showrunner. I think he was,

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yeah, it's a showrunner. Is
You're the boss. I mean, you're,

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you're making it happen, and you
have to take the licking, and

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you have to go show

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John C Dvorak: runner for people
out there, they never give them

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credit. The credit is on
according to they have to, you

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know, there's all these rules
nowadays that the Producers

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Guild and the directors go, they
have these rules about how you

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show credits. You know, they say
used to be in the automation.

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They show all the credits at the
beginning of a movie. Now

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they're at the end. The trick to
finding the show runner of a

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show is the last executive
producer listed before the

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writer, right? So they have
executive producer, producer

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cobras, blah, blah, blah, all
these. Then there's executive

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producer, and then writer, the
one with the guy who comes up

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before writer is the currently
the executive, or is the

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showrunner for the show, which
is, I don't know why, they just

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don't call him a showrunner, but
they won't do it on credits

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Adam Curry: because it sounds
demeaning, which

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John C Dvorak: it does sound. It
sounds pretty lame. That's

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Adam Curry: the job. We have to
bend over for the network.

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John C Dvorak: They really
should be called boss,

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Adam Curry: and they have to go
back to the productions guys,

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the network doesn't like it.
Darren O'Neill says he'll be our

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showrunner, which is fine by me.
He is already. He's right. Rock

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and roll show runner. Um,
anyway, but do you want to do a

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little bit of fun climate stuff?
Just for

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John C Dvorak: for young I only
have the eating bugs part of the

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whole thing. If you want to do
climate stuff, I don't really

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have anything on climate. What

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Adam Curry: is, what is the
eating bug stuff? Well, there's

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John C Dvorak: a podcast, yeah,
another

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Adam Curry: podcast today's
podcast you

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Unknown: don't do.

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John C Dvorak: And this is
called the can I bug you?

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Podcast, are they and like all,
are they pro bug? They're pro

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eating bugs. And this is like a
podcast about eating bugs, and

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so they and it's one of the
problem. You know, I most

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podcasts are not very good. No,
I don't know if people have

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noticed, but they're lame.
People don't really feel

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comfortable talking into a mic.
It's just a million things. It's

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just the timing is bad. They
they don't get then they added

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it to make it worse, you can't
edit to make timing work, that's

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for sure. I'm

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Adam Curry: gonna take out all
of the pauses and the ums and

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it'll sound great. Yeah.

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John C Dvorak: So we have this
podcast. Hello,

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Unknown: listeners. Are you
hungry? Hey, this

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looks like a good spot to rustle
up some grub. Ew, what's that?

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Hey, grub, what's it look like?
Ew, gross. Tastes like chicken,

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slimy yet satisfying bugs.

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Is food. That's what we're here
to talk about. Hold

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Adam Curry: on. So they have
this reasonably well edited

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opening montage, you know, is
like, which make just come from

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cartoons. As far as I can tell,
sounds like a cartoon, yeah. And

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then they go into the podcast,
and it's like this big room, and

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you hear the room and
everything. This is very painful

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to listen to for me,

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Unknown: slimy, unsatisfying.

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Adam Curry: Oh, Lion King, yes,
that's where it's from.

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Unknown: Exist food. That's what
we're here to talk about on

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today's episode of Can I bug you
our every other weekly deep dive

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into the wide, weird world of
insight. It's a deep

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Adam Curry: dive. You sure? It's
not AI this podcast,

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Unknown: pretty sure.

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I'm UC Riverside spokeswoman,
Jules Bernstein. I'm here with

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my co host, Doug yannicka, who
is the senior scientist at UC

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Riverside's entomology research
Museum. Hey, Doug. Hello. Hey

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Doug. And our special guest
today is Erin Wilson Rankin, a

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professor of entomology here at
UCR. She studies the ecology of

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arthropod communities and
teaches a course for non majors

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called the natural history of
insects, which introduces the

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subject of entomophagy, the idea
of intentionally uses using

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insects as food. Oh, hold

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Adam Curry: on. Entima Fiji, is
that what she said, this is a

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good term, entomophasia.

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John C Dvorak: I think F,

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Unknown: A, E, G, E, P,

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John C Dvorak: H. I think
there's a P H in there.

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Unknown: P. Beige because, of
course, it's different than

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people unintentionally consuming
insects in their food, which

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they most certainly do. Hey,
Aaron, Hi. Do you happen to have

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any information about how many
insects are allowed in food

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products per the US Food and
Drug Administration?

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I know for a couple things that
are, you know, particularly

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important to me, chocolate, but
you can have, it's allowable to

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have, you know, 5060, pieces of
insect in 100 grams of

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chocolate. Oh,

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Adam Curry: and they're doing
this too. There, there are bugs

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in everything. Now you just go
look at the supermarket. It has

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different names, but there's bug
bugs, bug dust, bug SAP, all

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kinds of bug stuff.

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Unknown: Um, you can have a lot
of aphids. 2500 aphids per 10

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grams of hops. So if you're a
beer drinker, there might be

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some extra sweetness coming from
the insects. Does that add extra

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protein? Possibly, there's such
small amounts that I don't know

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if it's going to be
statistically significant, and

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it probably gets filtered out. I
mean, there's particulate

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matter.

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Well, some people find this
gross, but others think insects

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are the food of the future. Get
into today, food

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Adam Curry: of the future.
Sorry, entomaji, e, n, t, O, M,

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O, P, H, A, G, u, y, also to be
pronounced as mtimo, faggy,

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depends on where you come from.
Practice of eating insects.

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Alternative term is insectivory
to Yes, that's what I would use,

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insectivory, yes, Hmm. Well,
what you just heard is, is, is

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really part of the problem. Is
the FDA, you know, without much

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fanfare, has approved all of
these entomophagy project

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products that go into food,
certain flower, cricket flower,

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being the flower, yeah, what's
the what's the term for cricket

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flower again? Because it has
different

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Unknown: word I don't remember.
Yeah, yeah, let

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Adam Curry: me just cricket
flower is, can't find it now,

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food. Thank you. Troll room,
just call it food. Cricket

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flowers.

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John C Dvorak: You think flour?

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Adam Curry: There it is. Thank
you. Cuisson, a cheetah powder,

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A, C, H, E, T, A, A cheetah
powder. Yeah,

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John C Dvorak: that's better,
probably term than flour. Flour,

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F, l, o, u, r, uh, indicates to
me, something that's from

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grinding some sort of a plant
product. No,

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Adam Curry: you're grinding a
cricket, like

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John C Dvorak: cricket, it's
like, is there beef flour? Is

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there dog flour? I mean, no
doubt the Haitians know that.

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Adam Curry: No doubt so. But
yeah, but that's all allowed by

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the FDA, so people just put it
in there, and it's part of the

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climate change narrative. I
think for a moment, since we

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have a guest on this MSNBC show
who is known to the show for

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many years and comes from this
period, we need to open it up to

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the

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Unknown: gate, to the gate to
the climate gate. So

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Adam Curry: yes, the climate
gate jingle started for us. I'm

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going to say 2009

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John C Dvorak: it was right
during climate gate. So you'd

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have to figure out when that was

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Adam Curry: yes. Well, that's
why it's a jingle, and it was

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Michael Mann. Was the guy who
was falsifying his his notes was

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chain Well, modifying them

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John C Dvorak: because it didn't
make, I think falsifying is a

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better word, can I? Yeah,

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Adam Curry: that's probably
correct. Was changing his, his

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notes and his formula, and it
was found out. It was a big

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scandal. It

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John C Dvorak: was a it was a
hack

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Adam Curry: email, yes, oh, it
was a glitch, a glitch and a

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hack. And, yeah, so it was a
hack that the emails came out

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and and, of course, they denied
it was a scandal. It was a big

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scandal. We covered it quite
extensively, being it.io you can

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hear all of it. So Michael Mann
shows up with Katie tour on

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MSNBC for climate week with,
well, can you guess who he's

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with? I mean, if you have
Michael Mann, one of the premier

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climate science Scientologists,
climatologists of our time, and

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of the IPCC, the International
planetary Panel on Climate

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Change. Who would he show up
with for a bit of color in the

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commentary?

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John C Dvorak: I can think of a
number of people, but

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unfortunately, I can't get
Francis Collins out of my mind

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since I saw him the other day
bullshitting about vaccines. No,

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it's not Francis. It's better
than a hand. Is the only the guy

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it should get, but you don't see
him anymore. No, no. Hansen is

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the guy who came up with the
first no hockey stick.

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Adam Curry: I'm disappointed you
didn't guess

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Unknown: Helene is breaking
records in the southeast, as the

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UN is holding its climate week
here in New York, where

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scientists and world leaders
have met to discuss concerns

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about bigger and stronger
storms, along with temperature

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changes across the globe Joining
us now, science educator and the

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00:35:26,120 --> 00:35:29,180
Planetary Society CEO, Bill Nye,
you know well,

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John C Dvorak: you should have
said a big phony. We all know

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very well. Science edu is not a
sign who's not a climatologist

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in any ways, electrical engineer
or something,

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Adam Curry: but he has a new
outfit.

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Unknown: Listen to this
outfitter and the Planetary

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Society. CEO, Bill Planetary
Society,

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Adam Curry: bro, we need one of
those nine. You

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00:35:52,120 --> 00:35:54,700
Unknown: know now and University
of Pennsylvania, presidential,

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Distinguished Professor of Earth
and Environmental Science and

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00:35:57,640 --> 00:36:01,080
author of our fragile moment,
how lessons from Earth's past

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can help us survive the climate
crisis and a whole lot of other

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books. Michael, Mann gentlemen's
really great to have you. Oh,

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it's

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Adam Curry: great to have you.
Well, let's,

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Unknown: let's have Michael
stop.

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John C Dvorak: I'm just going
to, I'm going to do a little

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mind reading here. I'm a certain
that Katie tour brings up the

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climate gate issues and Michael
Mann being a big phony by by

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fudging numbers, and he she
confronts him like a good

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00:36:31,040 --> 00:36:32,960
journalist would. Right your

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Adam Curry: mind, reading is off
the charts, so far off that it's

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not on the chart.

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Unknown: You were nodding your
head as Melissa was talking.

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Marissa was talking about rapid
intensification,

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yeah, something we talk a lot
about these days. You know,

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these storms intensify now.

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Adam Curry: This is the extreme.
What remember back in the

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climate gate days it was global
warming. This is before it

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became climate change, because
the warming was provably not

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happening. Then it was, weather
is not climate, but now extreme

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weather events is climate, yes,
far

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Unknown: more rapidly than they
used to. And there's basic

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underlying science that
predicted that decades ago. I'm

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sorry.

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John C Dvorak: I have to No, no,
that's fine, doesn't that's

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fine, that's fine. I can't
emphasize enough, since you

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brought it up, it just reminded
me. I can't emphasize enough,

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since we've been doing this this
long enough, almost 17 years,

665
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yeah, the idea that weather
isn't climate was extreme was

666
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punctuated and pounded on the
table to no end. Weather is not

667
00:37:38,660 --> 00:37:42,880
climate. Weather is not climate.
That's all they talked about.

668
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Now they changed it. Let

669
00:37:45,220 --> 00:37:50,440
Adam Curry: me see if I have a
weather is not climate. We have

670
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a lot of those. What is this?

671
00:37:52,240 --> 00:37:55,300
Unknown: In India, a severe heat
wave has shattered the national

672
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benchmark for the hottest day on
record, as the temperature in

673
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the city of halodi topped a
staggering 123 degrees

674
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Fahrenheit. Several 100 people
have died so far from the

675
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extreme temperatures across
India, increasingly Deadly Heat

676
00:38:09,720 --> 00:38:12,600
waves have been linked to
climate change. That

677
00:38:12,600 --> 00:38:16,200
Adam Curry: was mistitled. I
should look for them honestly. I

678
00:38:16,200 --> 00:38:20,120
should go back and look for
them. But they Yes. They kept on

679
00:38:20,120 --> 00:38:23,540
saying weather is pounded the
table over it. Yes, weather is

680
00:38:23,540 --> 00:38:25,220
not climate. Weather is and that

681
00:38:25,220 --> 00:38:27,440
John C Dvorak: was because it
was they were they brought some

682
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stuff up during the winter.
Look, it's freezing out. What

683
00:38:29,900 --> 00:38:31,940
are you talking about? Weather's

684
00:38:31,940 --> 00:38:34,460
Adam Curry: not climate. All
right, back to back to Michael

685
00:38:34,460 --> 00:38:36,680
Mann, with the rapid
intensification

686
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Unknown: basic underlying
science that predicted that

687
00:38:39,140 --> 00:38:42,460
decades ago. You warm up the
oceans, there's more energy,

688
00:38:42,520 --> 00:38:44,980
more evaporation of moisture
from the ocean that provides the

689
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energy to intensify these
storms. They intensify faster,

690
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and we are seeing that. And the
threat is, you know, as you

691
00:38:51,760 --> 00:38:54,340
heard here, you have less time
to prepare, because something

692
00:38:54,340 --> 00:38:58,180
that was just a WEAK tropical
storm is a major, a major

693
00:38:58,180 --> 00:39:00,780
hurricane, within a matter of 24
hours, they had a lot

694
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John C Dvorak: of time that's
never happened before.

695
00:39:03,180 --> 00:39:06,060
Adam Curry: It's, it's rapid
intensification. And, by the

696
00:39:06,060 --> 00:39:06,300
way,

697
00:39:06,300 --> 00:39:08,880
John C Dvorak: did, oh, I got, I
got it. I got this time. I can

698
00:39:08,880 --> 00:39:13,740
do it. Okay, she's gonna ask
about, you know, that they had

699
00:39:13,740 --> 00:39:18,540
a, they had no major hurricanes
in 2023 How do you account for

700
00:39:18,540 --> 00:39:18,780
that?

701
00:39:18,780 --> 00:39:21,680
Adam Curry: No, the next she's
now going to move to Bill Nye.

702
00:39:21,680 --> 00:39:24,980
She's going to move to Bill Nye.
So we need Bill Nye to put in

703
00:39:24,980 --> 00:39:29,300
some scientific evidence, some
scientific analogy, a metaphor,

704
00:39:29,300 --> 00:39:30,680
something that we can
understand.

705
00:39:30,740 --> 00:39:32,660
Unknown: I keep hearing people
say, you know, climate

706
00:39:32,660 --> 00:39:35,540
scientists go out and they say,
it's the end of the world. The

707
00:39:35,540 --> 00:39:39,140
climate change is here. Disaster
is coming, but everything's been

708
00:39:39,140 --> 00:39:41,620
fine. And then I look at them,
and I said, What about that

709
00:39:41,620 --> 00:39:45,040
hurricane or what about that
fire? There are this country

710
00:39:45,040 --> 00:39:48,160
that are not fine. It's not
happening. You know, it's not,

711
00:39:48,160 --> 00:39:52,240
you know, the end of the world,
like in a science fiction movie

712
00:39:52,420 --> 00:39:55,300
at the moment, but there are
real life effects around people

713
00:39:55,300 --> 00:39:57,940
that are being displaced and
killed. It's coming. People

714
00:39:57,940 --> 00:39:58,660
Adam Curry: are being killed by

715
00:39:58,660 --> 00:40:02,760
Unknown: climate. Well. It's
also when your power goes out,

716
00:40:02,940 --> 00:40:06,120
that's when the end of the world
gets us in the developed world,

717
00:40:06,120 --> 00:40:10,980
and people who live in that area
now have just not just rainwater

718
00:40:10,980 --> 00:40:15,240
flooding, but flooding from the
ocean, which is salty, which

719
00:40:15,240 --> 00:40:18,780
rusts your car, and then you
can't get insurance.

720
00:40:22,800 --> 00:40:25,700
Adam Curry: Bill. Nye comes in
with some with a factoid we all

721
00:40:25,700 --> 00:40:29,840
need it because your How about
your car blowing up in the

722
00:40:29,840 --> 00:40:33,140
garage because it's an electric
vehicle? How about that? Bill

723
00:40:33,320 --> 00:40:37,700
didn't notice that one.
Obviously, these two guys are

724
00:40:37,700 --> 00:40:38,600
here for a reason.

725
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Unknown: You had a climate week
this week. Any consensus

726
00:40:41,500 --> 00:40:42,880
happening? We're just

727
00:40:42,880 --> 00:40:46,120
one. We're just one
international meeting from

728
00:40:46,120 --> 00:40:49,240
solving from solving it, yes.
Oh, just one more. No,

729
00:40:49,240 --> 00:40:52,600
everybody. Oh, it's humor.
People say to me, Bill Nye

730
00:40:52,900 --> 00:40:54,700
Science Guy, Bill Nye, people

731
00:40:54,700 --> 00:40:58,000
Adam Curry: come up to me, Hey,
Bill Nye Science Guy, imagine

732
00:40:58,000 --> 00:41:01,800
that. People come up to me.
Said, Adam curry podfather, oh,

733
00:41:01,800 --> 00:41:03,720
wait, some people do that.
People say

734
00:41:03,720 --> 00:41:07,500
Unknown: to me, Bill, my science
guy, what can I do about climate

735
00:41:07,500 --> 00:41:10,080
change? What can I do about
climate change? We'll tell you

736
00:41:10,080 --> 00:41:14,580
what people's vote right now. We
hear so much about the undecided

737
00:41:14,580 --> 00:41:17,460
voters, and this is I'm being as

738
00:41:18,960 --> 00:41:21,740
diplomatic, generous,
magnanimous. How can

739
00:41:21,740 --> 00:41:25,640
you not tell the difference
people? One side is in support

740
00:41:25,640 --> 00:41:28,820
of doing something about these
massive problems associated with

741
00:41:28,820 --> 00:41:31,340
climate change. The other side
is pretending it's not

742
00:41:31,340 --> 00:41:35,360
happening. And you guys, we all
want a villain, and so on. But

743
00:41:35,360 --> 00:41:38,000
it really has been the fossil
fuel industry that's worked

744
00:41:38,000 --> 00:41:41,680
really hard to suppress the
science.

745
00:41:42,520 --> 00:41:47,680
Adam Curry: Suppress the
science. You okay, maybe you

746
00:41:47,680 --> 00:41:50,620
should just explain what you
really want the people to hear.

747
00:41:50,620 --> 00:41:52,240
Bill Nye science guy. A

748
00:41:52,300 --> 00:41:54,040
Unknown: lot of people, when
they hear that, though they

749
00:41:54,040 --> 00:41:57,400
think, God, you guys are being
You're being too crazy, you're

750
00:41:57,400 --> 00:42:01,500
being too strict, too harsh. I
like my way of life, okay, I

751
00:42:01,500 --> 00:42:06,420
like my car ordering things on
Amazon. I like all the plastic,

752
00:42:06,420 --> 00:42:12,120
yes, but that's the thing. I
mean, it is so ingrained in our

753
00:42:12,120 --> 00:42:15,180
life, and what they're looking
for is for science to come up

754
00:42:15,180 --> 00:42:17,340
with a way to solve this. We
clap up.

755
00:42:17,520 --> 00:42:22,280
Adam Curry: Do we have a
scientific solution? John is his

756
00:42:22,400 --> 00:42:24,260
solution to the science I am

757
00:42:24,260 --> 00:42:27,740
John C Dvorak: befuddled by this
whole thing. Well, he's she's a

758
00:42:27,800 --> 00:42:33,080
she is useless, and he's an
idiot. I mean, I don't get it.

759
00:42:33,080 --> 00:42:35,180
Why would they even put this on
the air? Oh,

760
00:42:35,240 --> 00:42:37,700
Adam Curry: the reason is coming
now, on

761
00:42:37,700 --> 00:42:40,360
Unknown: our side of it, we
claim that we have enough energy

762
00:42:40,960 --> 00:42:44,680
to take care of everything right
now, if we just could apply it.

763
00:42:44,740 --> 00:42:47,680
And so the longest journey
begins with about a single step.

764
00:42:47,920 --> 00:42:52,600
We will phase out fossil fuel
use, and they will we will phase

765
00:42:52,600 --> 00:42:56,140
in renewable energy, but just
when it comes november 5,

766
00:42:56,140 --> 00:43:01,560
everybody, you've got to vote
for the Democrats, doing my best

767
00:43:01,560 --> 00:43:05,280
here. For many years, I've been
the head of a of the

768
00:43:05,280 --> 00:43:08,520
organization that we work very
hard to be political, but not

769
00:43:08,520 --> 00:43:13,680
partisan in space exploration.
Be that as it may right now the

770
00:43:13,740 --> 00:43:17,760
choice is clear. So you can
everybody out there. You can

771
00:43:17,760 --> 00:43:20,480
hate me, you can hate him, you
can hate everything. But when it

772
00:43:20,480 --> 00:43:23,540
comes to doing something about
climate change, you've got to

773
00:43:23,540 --> 00:43:26,000
vote for Harris walls, and

774
00:43:27,740 --> 00:43:31,040
John C Dvorak: that's what this
is, where you expected Clip of

775
00:43:31,040 --> 00:43:34,880
the Day. No, no, no. I thought
the Trump, I'm telling you this

776
00:43:34,880 --> 00:43:41,020
is that was the most that that
is not acceptable. NBC should

777
00:43:41,020 --> 00:43:44,680
be. NBC is bad enough. This is
that head of Comcast. Again, I

778
00:43:44,680 --> 00:43:49,840
keep bringing him up. It's his
this guy really that Comcast

779
00:43:49,840 --> 00:43:53,380
that should get rid of NBC
because they're ruining the

780
00:43:53,380 --> 00:43:54,220
country. I

781
00:43:54,220 --> 00:43:57,700
Adam Curry: think, you know, we
need a best of, Best of Show in

782
00:43:57,700 --> 00:44:00,420
the in the next couple of
months. I think you should do an

783
00:44:00,420 --> 00:44:04,320
interview with Bill Nye science
guy. I bet you can do it. I bet

784
00:44:04,320 --> 00:44:07,320
if you called up and say, Hey,
I'm I'm a podcast you'd be like,

785
00:44:07,320 --> 00:44:10,440
Oh, you're a podcaster. Say,
yeah. Like, probably wouldn't

786
00:44:10,440 --> 00:44:12,360
John C Dvorak: do the due
diligence he needs no to listen

787
00:44:12,360 --> 00:44:15,120
to the show, because once he did
that, he would never agree to an

788
00:44:15,120 --> 00:44:16,260
interview. Do

789
00:44:16,260 --> 00:44:18,240
Adam Curry: you think he would?
He would walk away while you

790
00:44:18,240 --> 00:44:20,240
were interviewing him? No,

791
00:44:20,240 --> 00:44:26,420
John C Dvorak: he wouldn't agree
to it. Oh, well, that's

792
00:44:26,420 --> 00:44:27,080
shameless.

793
00:44:27,140 --> 00:44:30,620
Adam Curry: Yeah, of course, we
are thinking of all of our

794
00:44:30,620 --> 00:44:36,980
producers on the East Coast,
south southeast, North Carolina.

795
00:44:37,280 --> 00:44:39,140
John C Dvorak: You can say all
you want. They're not listening

796
00:44:39,860 --> 00:44:41,140
well, you know,

797
00:44:41,140 --> 00:44:43,900
Adam Curry: some still have
battery power, but this was a

798
00:44:43,900 --> 00:44:47,740
very odd storm. It was, you
know, they said, I mean, I got

799
00:44:47,740 --> 00:44:51,700
so I told you that the reporting
was strange. The reporting was

800
00:44:51,700 --> 00:44:56,260
off kilter, like it was, it was
a lot of water, and it destroyed

801
00:44:56,260 --> 00:44:58,840
dams. But cat four,

802
00:44:58,840 --> 00:45:01,500
John C Dvorak: that's, yeah.
Didn't go, it looks like it

803
00:45:01,680 --> 00:45:03,180
didn't go, didn't

804
00:45:03,180 --> 00:45:07,620
Adam Curry: go, but there's a
lot of destruction. But it

805
00:45:07,620 --> 00:45:11,520
wasn't that the winds weren't
what anyone predicted. The winds

806
00:45:11,520 --> 00:45:16,260
were much, much calmer. Just a
lot of water. And it was just

807
00:45:16,260 --> 00:45:19,920
water, just a lot of water.
Yeah, a lot of water. So we are

808
00:45:19,920 --> 00:45:21,740
thinking of you producers lot of
water.

809
00:45:21,740 --> 00:45:23,540
John C Dvorak: And there was, I
thought I was looking over my

810
00:45:23,540 --> 00:45:26,120
clipless I thought I had this
clip. I know I had it. I guess I

811
00:45:26,120 --> 00:45:29,060
didn't produce it. I'm not sure
what happened. But there was a

812
00:45:29,060 --> 00:45:33,140
great clip somebody sent me
from, from Florida, one of the

813
00:45:33,140 --> 00:45:35,060
islands where some Tesla,

814
00:45:35,240 --> 00:45:38,180
Adam Curry: yeah, was caught far
was blowing up in the garage. It

815
00:45:38,180 --> 00:45:38,600
blew up in

816
00:45:38,600 --> 00:45:40,900
John C Dvorak: the garage and
burnt down what looked to be a

817
00:45:40,900 --> 00:45:46,600
castle. I mean, this house was
just as gorgeous because it was

818
00:45:46,600 --> 00:45:50,200
left a couple outer walls,
because the house burned to the

819
00:45:50,200 --> 00:45:53,140
ground. And then the reporting,
local reporting, talked about

820
00:45:53,140 --> 00:45:57,400
how all these electric scooters
were going up boom, blowing up

821
00:45:57,400 --> 00:46:00,660
left and right, and there was
Tesla's blowing up the salt

822
00:46:00,660 --> 00:46:03,840
water. This is very dangerous.

823
00:46:04,200 --> 00:46:06,840
Adam Curry: The Iron Oh, the
irony of trying to save the

824
00:46:06,840 --> 00:46:11,220
climate with your EV and it
catching on fire because of

825
00:46:11,460 --> 00:46:16,020
burning the place, burning the
place down, I'd like so I have a

826
00:46:16,020 --> 00:46:20,060
couple of things I want to share
as a mini presentation, but I

827
00:46:20,060 --> 00:46:23,540
share, you're gonna share. I'm
gonna share a secret, only if we

828
00:46:23,540 --> 00:46:31,220
hold hands. But I what happened
with Nasrallah? I think is

829
00:46:31,220 --> 00:46:33,320
something we have. We need you
to do a deep dive.

830
00:46:33,680 --> 00:46:36,020
John C Dvorak: I have a lot of
Nasrallah clips, so that's why

831
00:46:36,020 --> 00:46:37,940
I'd like you to start follow up.
No, no. I'd

832
00:46:37,940 --> 00:46:40,120
Adam Curry: like you to start it
off. I'd like you to, like you

833
00:46:40,120 --> 00:46:42,940
to get it all out of your
system, and then we'll do some

834
00:46:42,940 --> 00:46:46,600
analysis, because this was, I
think, much bigger than people

835
00:46:46,600 --> 00:46:47,320
realize.

836
00:46:48,700 --> 00:46:50,740
John C Dvorak: I find it
distressing to be honest about

837
00:46:50,740 --> 00:46:57,580
it. I have a series of clips
here from the Hezbollah leader,

838
00:46:57,820 --> 00:46:59,020
Hezbollah,

839
00:47:00,040 --> 00:47:01,620
Adam Curry: Hezbollah, let's
just

840
00:47:04,680 --> 00:47:07,260
John C Dvorak: start with them.
NPR stuff. This is two clips

841
00:47:07,260 --> 00:47:07,980
from NPR

842
00:47:08,040 --> 00:47:10,620
Unknown: to many. Nasrallah is
the leader of a terrorist

843
00:47:10,620 --> 00:47:13,440
organization, but others in the
Middle East, as we just heard,

844
00:47:13,500 --> 00:47:16,680
he's viewed as a hero. NPR, Al
shaachi is

845
00:47:16,680 --> 00:47:20,580
John C Dvorak: this? Is this his
leader? One? Yes, it is. You

846
00:47:20,580 --> 00:47:23,240
don't want to stop that clip?
No, it has to come later. I'm

847
00:47:23,240 --> 00:47:28,340
sorry. Okay, what we want is HEZ
summary, good one. NPR,

848
00:47:28,400 --> 00:47:28,940
Hezbollah

849
00:47:28,940 --> 00:47:31,880
Unknown: has vowed to retaliate
after an Israeli airstrike

850
00:47:31,880 --> 00:47:35,180
killed Hassan Nasrallah, the
leader of the Iranian backed

851
00:47:35,180 --> 00:47:38,720
militant group Hezbollah in
Lebanon. The question of what's

852
00:47:38,720 --> 00:47:42,340
next for the two countries
hinges on the war in Gaza and

853
00:47:42,340 --> 00:47:46,000
Piers Jaina RAF in Beirut has
more on what it would take to

854
00:47:46,000 --> 00:47:50,260
get to a ceasefire. Hezbollah
itself is really unwilling to

855
00:47:50,260 --> 00:47:53,200
accept a ceasefire. It made
clear when it announced the

856
00:47:53,200 --> 00:47:57,940
death of Nasrallah that it would
continue fighting Israel. And

857
00:47:57,940 --> 00:48:01,020
Nasrallah has always made clear
that there won't be a cease fire

858
00:48:01,020 --> 00:48:05,160
here, unless there's a cease
fire in Gaza. But N piers,

859
00:48:05,160 --> 00:48:09,000
Daniel estrang, who's in Israel,
says Gaza cease fire talks are

860
00:48:09,000 --> 00:48:09,600
stalled.

861
00:48:09,660 --> 00:48:13,260
The question is, Will Iran
backed militias throughout the

862
00:48:13,260 --> 00:48:17,280
region fire at Israel, whether
that's the Houthis in Yemen,

863
00:48:17,340 --> 00:48:22,160
whether that's Shia militias in
Iraq, Israel is preparing for

864
00:48:22,160 --> 00:48:23,300
that potential

865
00:48:23,540 --> 00:48:25,820
escalation. Okay,

866
00:48:27,140 --> 00:48:29,840
John C Dvorak: did you get a
note from one of our Mohammed?

867
00:48:29,840 --> 00:48:32,480
Yes, Mohammed, I'm going to

868
00:48:32,480 --> 00:48:34,580
Adam Curry: talk about that in
my presentation,

869
00:48:35,900 --> 00:48:37,880
John C Dvorak: because I thought
that was interesting. Let's go

870
00:48:37,880 --> 00:48:38,720
to summary too.

871
00:48:38,840 --> 00:48:41,740
Unknown: The Assassination
Friday was an escalation of

872
00:48:41,740 --> 00:48:44,200
Israel's campaign against
Hezbollah in a year long

873
00:48:44,200 --> 00:48:47,380
conflict, Hezbollah started
firing on Israel just after

874
00:48:47,380 --> 00:48:50,920
Hamas attacked southern Israel
October 7, leaving around 1200

875
00:48:51,220 --> 00:48:54,460
dead and kidnapping around 250
relatives of the remaining

876
00:48:54,460 --> 00:48:57,040
hostages have called on Israeli
Prime Minister Benjamin

877
00:48:57,040 --> 00:49:00,280
Netanyahu to ease up On
hostilities until the hostages

878
00:49:00,460 --> 00:49:04,020
are released. Meanwhile,
President Biden calls nas ralas

879
00:49:04,020 --> 00:49:07,440
death a measure of justice and
pierce devaram reports

880
00:49:07,500 --> 00:49:10,320
in a statement, Biden said
Nasrallah and Hezbollah have

881
00:49:10,320 --> 00:49:13,680
been responsible for killing
hundreds of Americans as well as

882
00:49:13,680 --> 00:49:17,700
Israeli and Lebanese civilians.
Biden said the US is goal is to

883
00:49:17,700 --> 00:49:20,720
de escalate tensions in the
Middle East through diplomatic

884
00:49:20,720 --> 00:49:24,140
means, but ceasefire
negotiations between Israel and

885
00:49:24,140 --> 00:49:27,500
Hamas have been held up for
months, and there is also no

886
00:49:27,500 --> 00:49:30,380
agreement to stop the fighting
on the Israel Lebanon border,

887
00:49:30,680 --> 00:49:33,680
the president said he's also
directed the Pentagon to enhance

888
00:49:33,680 --> 00:49:37,220
the posture of US forces in the
Middle East to deter a broader

889
00:49:37,220 --> 00:49:40,600
regional war. Vice President
Harris released a statement too,

890
00:49:40,600 --> 00:49:43,840
saying Nasrallah had, quote,
American blood on his hands.

891
00:49:45,580 --> 00:49:47,980
John C Dvorak: This is the guy
we have to remember who blew up

892
00:49:47,980 --> 00:49:51,220
the Marine barracks, killing 200
during the Reagan

893
00:49:51,220 --> 00:49:52,420
administration. Well, he's

894
00:49:52,420 --> 00:49:54,580
Adam Curry: been around for 30
years, right? Yeah, he's

895
00:49:54,580 --> 00:49:56,080
John C Dvorak: been around
forever, and it's like they

896
00:49:56,080 --> 00:49:58,600
can't, they couldn't get rid of
him. The Israelis finally got

897
00:49:58,600 --> 00:50:02,760
fed up, I guess. Yeah. Because
they used bunker busters to blow

898
00:50:02,760 --> 00:50:04,260
up that area. Yeah,

899
00:50:04,260 --> 00:50:06,180
Adam Curry: they, they got him
like they had an eight second

900
00:50:06,180 --> 00:50:09,300
window and done.

901
00:50:10,740 --> 00:50:15,540
John C Dvorak: But so, but this
guy is, you know, he's not a

902
00:50:15,540 --> 00:50:19,200
he's a bad guy to us and the
Israelis and everybody who's on

903
00:50:19,200 --> 00:50:22,760
that side of the argument, but
he's a good guy. In fact, I get

904
00:50:22,760 --> 00:50:25,700
back and forth with some buddy
bitching at us because we're

905
00:50:26,120 --> 00:50:27,320
playing. I'm gonna

906
00:50:27,320 --> 00:50:29,600
Adam Curry: talk about that too.
This. That's actually what set

907
00:50:29,600 --> 00:50:32,660
me on down the road, down a
different path. Well,

908
00:50:32,660 --> 00:50:35,660
John C Dvorak: I do want to
mention that 1701 which is a UN

909
00:50:35,660 --> 00:50:39,500
Secretary Security Council
Resolution, 1701 which required

910
00:50:39,500 --> 00:50:43,600
the Hezbollah to move north, and
for the Israelis to leave

911
00:50:43,600 --> 00:50:51,040
Lebanon in 2006 it was ignored
by Hezbollah. I'm gonna, I'm

912
00:50:51,040 --> 00:50:53,800
gonna talk about news also
ignored by this guy who kept

913
00:50:53,800 --> 00:50:57,280
writing us notes. I'm gonna read
some of I'm gonna read that in a

914
00:50:57,280 --> 00:51:01,140
moment. But okay, well, I'm just
setting this up. Yes. So let's

915
00:51:01,140 --> 00:51:04,980
listen to the couple of things
about this guy. And if anybody

916
00:51:04,980 --> 00:51:12,000
thinks that that he wasn't loved
by the by the Lebanese, they're

917
00:51:12,000 --> 00:51:15,120
wrong. As far as I'm concerned.
You could maybe have something

918
00:51:15,180 --> 00:51:15,600
to be

919
00:51:15,720 --> 00:51:18,480
Adam Curry: contradictory. I do
have contradictory stuff. Yeah,

920
00:51:19,560 --> 00:51:22,400
John C Dvorak: I will play
before I get to the leader one.

921
00:51:23,120 --> 00:51:25,460
Well, let's go with his leader.
Let's play that clip.

922
00:51:26,060 --> 00:51:28,640
Unknown: Nasrallah appeared on
television for the last time on

923
00:51:28,640 --> 00:51:36,560
September 19, denouncing the
Israeli pager operation. Cave.

924
00:51:36,560 --> 00:51:41,200
Retribution will come. He said
it's manner, size, how and where

925
00:51:41,380 --> 00:51:44,560
that we will keep to ourselves.
The White House said today that

926
00:51:44,560 --> 00:51:47,620
nasrallahs death was a quote
measure of justice for many

927
00:51:47,620 --> 00:51:51,400
victims. Nasrallah is survived
by his wife and four children.

928
00:51:51,580 --> 00:51:55,060
He was 64 hadil al shaachi, NPR
news,

929
00:51:56,260 --> 00:51:58,540
John C Dvorak: all right, he's
been he's been doing this for a

930
00:51:58,540 --> 00:52:02,940
long time, if he was only 54 and
then one more ancillary clip I

931
00:52:02,940 --> 00:52:05,760
just play this has love, hate
clip, and then we can play the

932
00:52:05,760 --> 00:52:07,500
two clips about him. So

933
00:52:07,680 --> 00:52:10,080
Unknown: there was just this mix
of emotions. There was mourning,

934
00:52:10,080 --> 00:52:13,680
but there was more than that.
People here were confused. This

935
00:52:13,680 --> 00:52:17,820
is uncharted territory. People
on the streets are also scared.

936
00:52:17,880 --> 00:52:21,680
They understand the gravity of
the moment, and they also

937
00:52:21,680 --> 00:52:25,640
understand that no one can quite
predict just what comes after

938
00:52:25,640 --> 00:52:26,240
this. Tell

939
00:52:26,240 --> 00:52:29,240
us. Tell us more about
Nasrallah. What he represented

940
00:52:29,240 --> 00:52:30,560
in the region. He's

941
00:52:30,560 --> 00:52:33,920
a complicated figure. Israel in
the US consider him a terrorist

942
00:52:33,920 --> 00:52:37,100
who led deadly attacks against
Americans as well as Israelis,

943
00:52:37,100 --> 00:52:40,840
but to many here in Lebanon and
across the Middle East, he's a

944
00:52:40,840 --> 00:52:43,840
hero. After Israel invaded
southern Lebanon in the 80s,

945
00:52:43,840 --> 00:52:47,560
Nasrallah led an armed
resistance that eventually led

946
00:52:47,620 --> 00:52:50,680
to an Israeli withdrawal. And of
course, on the Palestinian

947
00:52:50,680 --> 00:52:52,960
issue, he became the most
visible and perhaps the most

948
00:52:52,960 --> 00:52:57,100
prominent anti Israeli figure in
the world. So for more than

949
00:52:57,100 --> 00:53:00,160
three decades, not only was he
the top commander of Hezbollah,

950
00:53:00,160 --> 00:53:02,700
but he was also a religious
leader and a politician.

951
00:53:02,700 --> 00:53:04,740
So the big questionator, what
happens next?

952
00:53:04,740 --> 00:53:07,320
I mean, there will be a funeral,
obviously, but I think there's

953
00:53:07,320 --> 00:53:09,780
just a lot more questions than
answers. I mean, how will

954
00:53:09,840 --> 00:53:13,020
Hezbollah retaliate for his
death? And what about Iran? Who

955
00:53:13,020 --> 00:53:16,380
is Hezbollah's benefactor? How
did they react? And then, of

956
00:53:16,380 --> 00:53:19,020
course, Israel, starting with
the pager attacks last week,

957
00:53:19,020 --> 00:53:22,640
Israel has systematically
degraded Hezbollah leadership,

958
00:53:22,640 --> 00:53:26,060
and is that enough, or does
Israel go further, launching a

959
00:53:26,060 --> 00:53:29,960
ground invasion? We don't have
clear answers to any of those

960
00:53:29,960 --> 00:53:31,100
questions right now. What

961
00:53:31,100 --> 00:53:32,060
Adam Curry: was this outlet

962
00:53:32,120 --> 00:53:34,820
John C Dvorak: who did this
particular report? The NPR? Oh,

963
00:53:34,820 --> 00:53:35,060
that's

964
00:53:35,060 --> 00:53:35,900
Adam Curry: NPR as well.

965
00:53:36,680 --> 00:53:38,660
John C Dvorak: Yeah, most of
this is NPR. So we're going to

966
00:53:38,660 --> 00:53:42,880
go, I mean, I can't trust the
same clips from PBS news hour,

967
00:53:42,880 --> 00:53:48,760
but NPR seems to have the most,
and I will say this, NPR, I

968
00:53:48,760 --> 00:53:54,760
think, was very sympathetic to
Nasrallah. I think they were

969
00:53:55,180 --> 00:54:00,100
totally they played it like, oh,
you know, this guy was the

970
00:54:00,100 --> 00:54:04,260
Adam Curry: greatest 64 his his
four children, his wife, 54

971
00:54:04,500 --> 00:54:07,440
John C Dvorak: I think he's 54
this is 64 is what I heard.

972
00:54:07,440 --> 00:54:08,040
Okay, yeah, it

973
00:54:08,040 --> 00:54:09,300
Adam Curry: would make more
sense.

974
00:54:09,360 --> 00:54:11,460
John C Dvorak: Family and
family. Man, yeah, it

975
00:54:12,420 --> 00:54:13,500
Adam Curry: was a good family.
Man,

976
00:54:14,880 --> 00:54:16,920
John C Dvorak: so here we go
with the last two clips. And

977
00:54:16,920 --> 00:54:18,900
this is the HEZ leader one

978
00:54:18,900 --> 00:54:21,620
Unknown: and two to many.
Nasralla is the leader of a

979
00:54:21,620 --> 00:54:24,440
terrorist organization, but
others in the Middle East, as we

980
00:54:24,440 --> 00:54:27,560
just heard, he's viewed as a
hero and fierce. Hadil al

981
00:54:27,560 --> 00:54:29,960
shaachi takes a closer look at
who he was.

982
00:54:34,220 --> 00:54:36,140
Adam Curry: That's some Hero
talk right there in

983
00:54:36,140 --> 00:54:39,740
Unknown: a fiery speech at a
podium in Lebanon, you heard,

984
00:54:40,460 --> 00:54:43,000
John C Dvorak: I want you to
keep that him yelling and

985
00:54:43,000 --> 00:54:46,420
screaming clip in mind with what
you're about to hear

986
00:54:49,300 --> 00:54:53,140
Unknown: in a fiery speech at a
podium in Lebanon in 2000 Hassan

987
00:54:53,140 --> 00:54:56,620
Nasrallah compares Israel's
military capability to a weak

988
00:54:56,620 --> 00:54:57,520
spiderweb.

989
00:54:57,580 --> 00:54:58,900
Wallahi.

990
00:55:00,000 --> 00:55:01,680
Women. It

991
00:55:01,680 --> 00:55:04,680
was in this year that the long
time Hezbollah leader became an

992
00:55:04,680 --> 00:55:08,220
icon. He had just led his
militia in a war that pushed

993
00:55:08,220 --> 00:55:11,880
Israeli troops out of southern
Lebanon, ending an 18 year

994
00:55:11,880 --> 00:55:15,540
occupation. Nasrallah was born
to an impoverished Shiite family

995
00:55:15,540 --> 00:55:19,260
in the north of Lebanon before
co founding Hezbollah. Hezbollah

996
00:55:19,260 --> 00:55:22,400
learned the ropes in the Emil
movement, a Shiite political and

997
00:55:22,400 --> 00:55:25,700
paramilitary group. He was
chosen to be Hezbollah's leader

998
00:55:25,700 --> 00:55:28,940
two days after his head Abbas
Moussaoui was killed by the

999
00:55:28,940 --> 00:55:32,960
Israeli military in 1992 he
became famous for his thick

1000
00:55:32,960 --> 00:55:36,560
beard, black turban, cloak and
charisma, charisma, speaking

1001
00:55:36,560 --> 00:55:40,240
with a slight lisp, has salva
appealed to regular Arabs. Lisp.

1002
00:55:41,440 --> 00:55:42,580
Adam Curry: He spoke with lis. I

1003
00:55:42,580 --> 00:55:44,380
Unknown: didn't hear that.

1004
00:55:44,980 --> 00:55:46,960
Adam Curry: I didn't catch the
lisp.

1005
00:55:47,080 --> 00:55:50,020
John C Dvorak: Well, it's hard,
I guess. Yes, it was Arabic,

1006
00:55:50,020 --> 00:55:51,220
Arabic lisp. It's,

1007
00:55:51,220 --> 00:55:53,440
Adam Curry: I don't know what
that fed dies.

1008
00:55:55,000 --> 00:55:57,640
John C Dvorak: Okay. So she goes
on, let's go to part that's the

1009
00:55:57,640 --> 00:56:00,960
end of that. I think, yes, that
is yes, yeah, go to part two.

1010
00:56:01,260 --> 00:56:03,720
Unknown: Mohammed bezi is the
director of the Center for Near

1011
00:56:03,720 --> 00:56:06,120
Eastern Studies at New York
University. He

1012
00:56:06,120 --> 00:56:08,760
was speaking as if he was
sitting with people in a cafe.

1013
00:56:08,760 --> 00:56:09,240
He had this,

1014
00:56:09,240 --> 00:56:10,140
okay, stop it.

1015
00:56:13,620 --> 00:56:16,740
Adam Curry: Speaking to people
like he was in a cafe. What

1016
00:56:16,740 --> 00:56:19,440
John C Dvorak: kind of Cafe is
that? It's a loud one,

1017
00:56:19,440 --> 00:56:20,040
adversity.

1018
00:56:20,100 --> 00:56:22,400
Unknown: He was speaking as if
he was sitting with people in a

1019
00:56:22,400 --> 00:56:25,880
cafe. He had this accessible
style that resonated with

1020
00:56:25,880 --> 00:56:26,900
people. Was

1021
00:56:26,900 --> 00:56:31,160
a hero to many Arabs, illusion
with their own leaders. His son,

1022
00:56:31,160 --> 00:56:34,640
Hedi, was killed fighting the
occupying Israeli army in 1997

1023
00:56:35,420 --> 00:56:38,600
in extreme contrast to most of
the other political leaders in

1024
00:56:38,600 --> 00:56:42,040
Lebanon, whose children would be
sent to Switzerland, to

1025
00:56:42,100 --> 00:56:46,180
universities, and so that
solidified that he was making

1026
00:56:46,180 --> 00:56:49,300
the same kinds of sacrifices
that he was asking other

1027
00:56:49,300 --> 00:56:51,220
people's children to make. For

1028
00:56:51,220 --> 00:56:54,160
much of the last two decades,
Nasrallah was only ever seen on

1029
00:56:54,160 --> 00:56:57,160
television and never in public
for fear of assassination

1030
00:56:57,160 --> 00:57:00,840
attempts when Nasrallah spoke
the region, and begrudgingly,

1031
00:57:00,840 --> 00:57:03,660
the Israeli security
establishment had to stop and

1032
00:57:03,660 --> 00:57:06,060
listen to the message he was
about to convey, the

1033
00:57:06,060 --> 00:57:08,400
political priorities, the
military priorities of

1034
00:57:08,400 --> 00:57:12,540
Hezbollah. There was also a
sense that Nasrallah meant what

1035
00:57:12,540 --> 00:57:13,140
he said.

1036
00:57:13,260 --> 00:57:15,900
For the Israelis, Nasrallah was
a terrorist who kept their

1037
00:57:15,900 --> 00:57:19,260
northern borders unendingly
threatened. He was involved in

1038
00:57:19,260 --> 00:57:22,040
the bombing of the US Marine
barracks in Lebanon that killed

1039
00:57:22,040 --> 00:57:27,020
over 200 US servicemen in the
early 80s, also backed Syrian

1040
00:57:27,020 --> 00:57:31,100
President Bashar Al Assad during
the brutal 2011 civil war that

1041
00:57:31,100 --> 00:57:33,260
killed 1000s of Sunni Muslims.
He's

1042
00:57:33,260 --> 00:57:36,260
also going to be remembered as
as sectarian leader, and people

1043
00:57:36,260 --> 00:57:39,080
aren't going to forget that. So
it'll be this dual legacy.

1044
00:57:39,080 --> 00:57:39,620
Hezbollah

1045
00:57:39,620 --> 00:57:42,820
and Israel began trading fire
the day after the Hamas led

1046
00:57:42,820 --> 00:57:46,780
attacks on Israel on October 7,
hostilities intensified last

1047
00:57:46,780 --> 00:57:50,200
week when 1000s of pagers and
walkie talkies used by Hezbollah

1048
00:57:50,200 --> 00:57:54,220
members exploded around Lebanon.
Lebanese health officials said

1049
00:57:54,220 --> 00:57:56,440
the explosions killed 39 people.

1050
00:57:57,040 --> 00:57:57,520
Okay,

1051
00:57:59,140 --> 00:58:01,860
Adam Curry: that's, those are
some good backgrounders. So

1052
00:58:01,860 --> 00:58:04,980
John C Dvorak: I think, by the
way, this guy, the Sunnis, can't

1053
00:58:04,980 --> 00:58:09,660
possibly like this character.
He's killed Sunni Muslims. He

1054
00:58:09,660 --> 00:58:14,340
killed American soldiers. I
don't know why. Reagan actually

1055
00:58:14,340 --> 00:58:18,420
backed off then and vacated the
area once that bombing took

1056
00:58:18,420 --> 00:58:22,940
place. He was a bad guy, but,
but, okay, NPR plays him up as a

1057
00:58:22,940 --> 00:58:27,140
family man and and he took
sacrifice by not sending his kid

1058
00:58:27,140 --> 00:58:28,640
to Switzerland, and with

1059
00:58:28,640 --> 00:58:34,040
Adam Curry: a list, he's he's so
with a lisp, he's so normal. All

1060
00:58:34,040 --> 00:58:40,660
right, so we did indeed receive
two emails, and one was from one

1061
00:58:40,660 --> 00:58:43,900
of our producers, and I'll just
read the opening to the email.

1062
00:58:44,500 --> 00:58:47,980
I'll come back to it later. He
says, on Thursday's show, John

1063
00:58:47,980 --> 00:58:51,040
joked about you and him being
shills for Israel, which would

1064
00:58:51,040 --> 00:58:54,880
be a fine enough joke. But then
the blunder occurred when he

1065
00:58:54,880 --> 00:58:58,600
presented to you and everyone
listening, a military industrial

1066
00:58:58,780 --> 00:59:03,060
complex swamp monster
extraordinaire with deep tie to

1067
00:59:03,060 --> 00:59:07,440
the Israel lobby as a respected
expert on Middle East affairs.

1068
00:59:08,100 --> 00:59:12,120
And he, of course, sent that to
me. So I replied and said, I'm

1069
00:59:12,120 --> 00:59:15,660
copying John. Since you forgot
to copy him on your email,

1070
00:59:16,080 --> 00:59:21,080
probably because he couldn't
spell Dvorak, we also received

1071
00:59:21,140 --> 00:59:25,760
an email from our dude named
Mohammed, and he reminded us of

1072
00:59:25,760 --> 00:59:29,960
a previous email, and he said,
Is it me, or does it seem like

1073
00:59:29,960 --> 00:59:33,860
every single powerful Iranian or
Iranian proxy figure vanishes

1074
00:59:33,860 --> 00:59:37,220
unexpectedly. It seems like
someone is systematically

1075
00:59:37,220 --> 00:59:40,660
getting rid of them after each
assassination will be a couple

1076
00:59:40,660 --> 00:59:43,660
of days of colorful rhetoric
followed by coordination for a

1077
00:59:43,660 --> 00:59:46,780
very clean response that doesn't
hurt anyone, and bright lit

1078
00:59:46,780 --> 00:59:49,600
missiles or drones that are
intercepted by the Iron Dome so

1079
00:59:49,600 --> 00:59:52,780
both parties can claim some
victory and have good visuals

1080
00:59:52,780 --> 00:59:56,500
for their side social media
accounts. And he closes by

1081
00:59:56,500 --> 00:59:59,740
saying, just like Adam's Iranian
friends say a lot of people in

1082
00:59:59,740 --> 01:00:03,060
this. Region. Think the Iranian
regime is coordinating every

1083
01:00:03,060 --> 01:00:06,660
step with the US and Israel,
which is something we've has

1084
01:00:06,660 --> 01:00:12,360
been an ongoing theme. So now I
just may be, I just connected a

1085
01:00:12,360 --> 01:00:14,700
whole bunch of dots. It could
be, I could be as worse than

1086
01:00:14,700 --> 01:00:18,360
that guy, Ian Carroll, you know
this will you get your team

1087
01:00:18,360 --> 01:00:21,500
forward? How this will blow your
mind? You know that guy, that

1088
01:00:21,500 --> 01:00:24,020
that Tiktok guy, irritates me.

1089
01:00:24,620 --> 01:00:27,080
John C Dvorak: There's a lot of
irritating guys out there. He's

1090
01:00:27,080 --> 01:00:29,900
one of them. That's one thing
we've noticed over the years.

1091
01:00:29,960 --> 01:00:32,840
Adam Curry: So we need to go
back a year to October and

1092
01:00:32,840 --> 01:00:35,780
girls. I want to mention and
women. And women, we need to go

1093
01:00:35,780 --> 01:00:39,740
back a year to October 7 last
year. And I've just pulled a

1094
01:00:39,740 --> 01:00:45,340
couple clips just for color.
This is McGregor, who said the

1095
01:00:45,340 --> 01:00:49,360
following, well, I should point
out that I was in Israel three

1096
01:00:49,360 --> 01:00:53,500
years ago in February of 2020,
and I had the opportunity,

1097
01:00:53,740 --> 01:00:57,460
because I was a guest of the IDF
chief of staff, to visit the

1098
01:00:57,460 --> 01:01:03,300
Gaza front. So to say so, I saw
the barriers, I saw the walls, I

1099
01:01:03,300 --> 01:01:06,600
saw how the Israelis had
constructed what I thought was a

1100
01:01:06,600 --> 01:01:11,040
very effective and tightly
organized security system. To be

1101
01:01:11,040 --> 01:01:15,180
perfectly blunt with you, I'm
somewhat surprised by the entire

1102
01:01:15,180 --> 01:01:20,720
thing. It seems almost
incomprehensible to me that the

1103
01:01:20,720 --> 01:01:23,600
Hamas fighters could have broken
through as suddenly and as

1104
01:01:23,600 --> 01:01:27,860
easily as they did without two
things. One is shameless

1105
01:01:27,860 --> 01:01:32,300
incompetence, for which I saw no
evidence when I was in Israel or

1106
01:01:32,300 --> 01:01:36,380
someone deliberately let them
in. It's just hard for me to

1107
01:01:36,440 --> 01:01:43,300
believe that Hamas was quite
that clever. Now, if you recall

1108
01:01:43,420 --> 01:01:48,940
October 7, immediately, was
billed as, this is our 911 This

1109
01:01:48,940 --> 01:01:55,000
is our 911 This is it the
Israel. The Jews were saying it,

1110
01:01:55,000 --> 01:01:58,060
Sir Brian of London. You got to
understand, because that was the

1111
01:01:58,060 --> 01:02:02,760
messaging all across Israel.
This is our 911 only would be,

1112
01:02:02,940 --> 01:02:07,260
you know, the 220 300 people is
the equivalent to 30,000

1113
01:02:07,680 --> 01:02:10,140
John C Dvorak: Americans. We had
to remember the extrapolation

1114
01:02:10,140 --> 01:02:13,320
that constantly Yes, which I
found offensive. Well,

1115
01:02:13,320 --> 01:02:15,480
Adam Curry: because that, I
believe that was a meme that was

1116
01:02:15,480 --> 01:02:20,240
launched because it is indeed
very hard to understand how

1117
01:02:20,240 --> 01:02:24,920
Israel let their security lapse?
We don't have to go through all

1118
01:02:24,920 --> 01:02:29,600
the clips, but a cat could walk
past that wall or that

1119
01:02:29,600 --> 01:02:34,640
particular border structure, and
bells and alarms and everything

1120
01:02:34,640 --> 01:02:37,520
will go off, and machine guns
start firing automatically, but

1121
01:02:37,520 --> 01:02:41,560
no none of that, and it took
them hours and hours to come to

1122
01:02:41,560 --> 01:02:46,300
where the breach had occurred.
So I think we talked about at

1123
01:02:46,300 --> 01:02:50,500
the time, the comparison to 911
is probably pretty apt, because,

1124
01:02:50,500 --> 01:02:55,420
you know, that was an inside
job. I'm just going to say it at

1125
01:02:55,420 --> 01:02:59,560
least as a sufficient evidence
that we did, never got the full

1126
01:02:59,560 --> 01:03:04,860
story. WTC, seven, and we never
got, we never got the full

1127
01:03:04,860 --> 01:03:10,020
story. On October 7, on October
8, it was Hezbollah who started

1128
01:03:10,200 --> 01:03:15,000
shooting rockets over so now I'm
going to go to another podcast

1129
01:03:15,000 --> 01:03:19,860
called call me back. It's Dan
Senor, and he does this podcast

1130
01:03:19,860 --> 01:03:23,180
is pretty much for the past
year, has only been about what's

1131
01:03:23,180 --> 01:03:30,140
happening in Israel and Gaza and
Lebanon, and he has with him a

1132
01:03:31,460 --> 01:03:38,720
guy named Nadav Eyal. And here
is their assessment of the

1133
01:03:38,720 --> 01:03:42,880
situation in Israel, but
predominantly in Lebanon. And

1134
01:03:42,880 --> 01:03:43,180
what we

1135
01:03:43,180 --> 01:03:47,380
Unknown: are seeing here in the
last 14 days, and specifically

1136
01:03:47,440 --> 01:03:51,700
with the killing of Hassan
nastrala, the leader of us

1137
01:03:51,700 --> 01:03:54,820
designated terror organization,
a man with American blood on his

1138
01:03:54,820 --> 01:03:59,140
hands, and mainly, by the way,
the blood of Syrian Muslims on

1139
01:03:59,140 --> 01:04:03,060
his hands, dozens of 1000s of
Syrians. One of the reasons

1140
01:04:03,060 --> 01:04:07,800
we're seeing scenes of of
celebration around Syria as a

1141
01:04:07,800 --> 01:04:11,760
result, and not only in Syria,
but across the region, I've

1142
01:04:11,760 --> 01:04:18,000
I've gotten more messages since
October 7 from friends and

1143
01:04:18,000 --> 01:04:22,220
officials in the Sunni Arab
world, particularly the Sunni

1144
01:04:22,220 --> 01:04:27,140
Gulf, celebrating what Israel
did to Nasrallah. So

1145
01:04:27,140 --> 01:04:30,200
I'm getting the same kind of
messages. And the reason for

1146
01:04:30,200 --> 01:04:34,100
that is that strategically, the
tide has shifted. We have been

1147
01:04:34,100 --> 01:04:37,940
talking on your show, and I've
been making two points. The

1148
01:04:37,940 --> 01:04:41,140
first point is that Israel is
trying to restore the deterrence

1149
01:04:41,140 --> 01:04:44,320
it did not have on October 7,
when it was attacked by Hamas,

1150
01:04:44,380 --> 01:04:48,160
on October 8, when it was
attacked by Hezbollah, in April,

1151
01:04:48,220 --> 01:04:53,740
when it was attacked by Iran and
by the Houthis in between, and

1152
01:04:54,220 --> 01:04:58,360
the tide has changed, and what
Israel has done to Nasrallah,

1153
01:04:58,420 --> 01:05:03,840
the leader of the. Most well
funded and well founded terror

1154
01:05:03,840 --> 01:05:09,300
organization in the world, and
to its entire central command is

1155
01:05:09,300 --> 01:05:13,620
something that is simply
vibrating through the region and

1156
01:05:13,620 --> 01:05:17,880
has changed the region already.
This is a strategic change.

1157
01:05:18,240 --> 01:05:22,040
Sometimes, you know these kinds
of operations, they carry

1158
01:05:22,100 --> 01:05:26,240
tactical weight. There was
always someone to replace, not

1159
01:05:26,240 --> 01:05:29,780
in this case, very much like
Osama bin Laden. This was the

1160
01:05:29,780 --> 01:05:34,100
Hassan astrala that entered this
war, and he made the biggest

1161
01:05:34,100 --> 01:05:39,320
mistake by entering this war and
aligning himself with

1162
01:05:39,320 --> 01:05:41,560
yerkesinwar, the leader of
Hamas.

1163
01:05:41,920 --> 01:05:45,280
Adam Curry: So as I'm listening
to this podcast on the dog walk

1164
01:05:45,280 --> 01:05:48,940
last night, what really
triggered me was this next clip

1165
01:05:49,300 --> 01:05:52,000
when he brought up UN resolution
1701,

1166
01:05:52,660 --> 01:05:56,920
Unknown: all these calls for
ceasefires were misguided, that

1167
01:05:57,160 --> 01:06:00,040
the international community
should have been focused on

1168
01:06:00,040 --> 01:06:04,680
getting Hezbollah to move back,
back north of the latani River,

1169
01:06:04,680 --> 01:06:08,220
as it was mandated to do so
under UN Security Council

1170
01:06:08,220 --> 01:06:13,080
resolution 1701, after the 2006
Lebanon War. And for the last 11

1171
01:06:13,080 --> 01:06:17,580
months, there's been little to
none of a serious effort to

1172
01:06:17,580 --> 01:06:19,980
pressure Hezbollah. Yes, there's
been some behind the scenes

1173
01:06:19,980 --> 01:06:22,340
moves and whatnot, but there
hasn't been a full thrall. The

1174
01:06:22,340 --> 01:06:25,880
international community was not
mobilized to pressure Hezbollah,

1175
01:06:26,360 --> 01:06:31,640
and that failure to focus on
Hezbollah the way Israel was

1176
01:06:31,640 --> 01:06:34,280
keeping an eye on Hezbollah and
thinking about its next move on

1177
01:06:34,280 --> 01:06:39,440
Hezbollah is as responsible or
as much of a driver to this

1178
01:06:39,440 --> 01:06:42,460
moment as anything absolutely,

1179
01:06:42,940 --> 01:06:46,540
I was amazed when I saw the
Biden Emmanuel Macron

1180
01:06:46,540 --> 01:06:52,480
declaration saying after the
quote, unquote escalation in

1181
01:06:52,480 --> 01:06:57,520
South Lebanon, in other words,
after, Israel was having one

1182
01:06:57,520 --> 01:07:02,220
success after The other, that
now they're calling for 21 days

1183
01:07:03,120 --> 01:07:05,220
of ceasefire. So

1184
01:07:05,400 --> 01:07:08,160
Adam Curry: the way this came
across to me is, wait a minute.

1185
01:07:08,520 --> 01:07:11,520
Everybody was just letting this
happen. There was, there was no

1186
01:07:11,520 --> 01:07:15,660
calls for, you know, that this
was against. I mean, the minute

1187
01:07:15,660 --> 01:07:18,180
something's against, the UN
resolution, usually, and

1188
01:07:18,180 --> 01:07:21,860
everyone's there, everyone's in
New York, like, How come nobody

1189
01:07:21,860 --> 01:07:25,520
said anything? So back to your
guy from your clip, I pulled a

1190
01:07:25,520 --> 01:07:28,940
little piece. His name is David
wormer. He's the guy who had, I

1191
01:07:28,940 --> 01:07:30,380
think was, an NTD clip.

1192
01:07:30,740 --> 01:07:33,920
Unknown: He never lived up to
its side of seven, resolution

1193
01:07:33,920 --> 01:07:39,860
1701 and that's now the Israeli
demand that resolution 1701 be

1194
01:07:39,860 --> 01:07:43,960
actually implemented. And if the
UN and the World doesn't force

1195
01:07:43,960 --> 01:07:48,340
on Hezbollah to live up to its
terms, the Israelis will go in

1196
01:07:48,340 --> 01:07:51,040
on the ground and force
Hezbollah to live up to its

1197
01:07:51,040 --> 01:07:51,700
terms.

1198
01:07:52,180 --> 01:07:55,420
Adam Curry: So back to the email
from the guy who talked about

1199
01:07:55,420 --> 01:07:59,560
our incredible blunder he
taught, he says, David wormer, a

1200
01:07:59,560 --> 01:08:03,060
simple book of knowledge review
would have sent up many red

1201
01:08:03,060 --> 01:08:07,140
flags about this guy. He just
heard, as per the book of

1202
01:08:07,140 --> 01:08:10,380
knowledge, David wormer has a
PhD in international relations

1203
01:08:10,380 --> 01:08:13,920
from John Hopkins University. He
worked in navy intelligence. He

1204
01:08:13,920 --> 01:08:16,860
was the Middle East advisor to
Dick Cheney and Special

1205
01:08:16,860 --> 01:08:20,040
Assistant to John Bolton. This
alone should be enough to make

1206
01:08:20,040 --> 01:08:23,660
anything he says, suspect. Dig a
little deeper, and we find that

1207
01:08:23,660 --> 01:08:26,720
he was working as an advisor to
Dick Cheney. He was investigated

1208
01:08:26,720 --> 01:08:30,080
by the FBI for espionage. Blah,
blah, blah, blah, blah. When I

1209
01:08:30,080 --> 01:08:33,740
hear all those names, and I'm
already putting the Israeli 911

1210
01:08:34,220 --> 01:08:39,800
in my head, okay, so this guy
has a message to send, and

1211
01:08:39,980 --> 01:08:44,260
actually what this blunder turns
out to be quite the great find,

1212
01:08:44,560 --> 01:08:48,460
because where are we on the list
right now of the West Clark

1213
01:08:48,460 --> 01:08:49,240
seven? And then

1214
01:08:49,240 --> 01:08:51,280
Unknown: I came back to the
Pentagon. About six weeks later,

1215
01:08:51,280 --> 01:08:54,400
I saw the same officer. I said,
Why? Why haven't we attacked

1216
01:08:54,400 --> 01:08:56,920
Iraq? We still going to attack
Iraq. He said, Oh, sir. He says

1217
01:08:56,920 --> 01:08:59,020
it's worse than that. He pulled
up a piece of paper off his

1218
01:08:59,020 --> 01:09:01,480
desk. He said, I just got this
memo from the Secretary of

1219
01:09:01,480 --> 01:09:03,660
Defense's office. It says we're
going to that says we're going

1220
01:09:03,660 --> 01:09:06,600
to attack and destroy the
governments in seven countries

1221
01:09:06,600 --> 01:09:09,900
in five years. We're going to
start with Iraq, and then we're

1222
01:09:09,900 --> 01:09:15,180
going to move to Syria, Lebanon,
Libya, Somalia, Sudan, and Iran.

1223
01:09:16,260 --> 01:09:19,740
Adam Curry: We have them all
now, except for Iran, and

1224
01:09:19,740 --> 01:09:24,380
Lebanon was one that we hadn't
quite captured. And Lebanon is

1225
01:09:24,380 --> 01:09:28,100
really important, strategic,
political, Geo, strategically. I

1226
01:09:28,100 --> 01:09:31,100
mean, they've got this port.
They've got, we know that this

1227
01:09:31,100 --> 01:09:35,780
huge gas fields offshore The
place has been in in a in a

1228
01:09:35,780 --> 01:09:40,300
state of disarray for quite a
while, financial disarray. I

1229
01:09:40,300 --> 01:09:44,020
think that it's probably true
that certainly the younger

1230
01:09:44,020 --> 01:09:48,700
generation is happy this got
this family man is off the

1231
01:09:48,700 --> 01:09:51,280
scene, that there's no one
really to follow him up. They

1232
01:09:51,280 --> 01:09:54,880
blew up with the pagers, all of
the probably lieutenants or

1233
01:09:54,880 --> 01:09:58,060
whatever. And there may be some
kind, you know, the IDF. We

1234
01:09:58,060 --> 01:10:00,900
already heard that on Thursday.
IDF is probably. Going to go in,

1235
01:10:01,200 --> 01:10:05,460
we may see some form of a
revolution, albeit probably a

1236
01:10:05,460 --> 01:10:10,080
peaceful one, to change what is
happening in Lebanon, to make it

1237
01:10:10,080 --> 01:10:14,400
us friendly. And now we come
back to our dude named Mohammed,

1238
01:10:14,400 --> 01:10:18,780
who says, you know, I wonder if
America is working with Iran to

1239
01:10:18,780 --> 01:10:22,100
get all some stuff done we have
it's not Iran it's not the

1240
01:10:22,100 --> 01:10:25,520
Iranian people, it's the
Revolutionary Guard, it's the

1241
01:10:25,520 --> 01:10:30,920
mullahs, it's the it's the
Supreme Leader. So we need to

1242
01:10:30,920 --> 01:10:34,940
take those guys out, and we need
a reason. If only we had a

1243
01:10:34,940 --> 01:10:37,220
reason. What could the reason
be? If I

1244
01:10:37,220 --> 01:10:40,840
Unknown: were president and a
former president and a leading

1245
01:10:40,840 --> 01:10:44,260
candidate. I'm the leading
candidate by far to be the next

1246
01:10:44,260 --> 01:10:52,420
president, and that leading
candidate was under threat. But

1247
01:10:52,420 --> 01:10:56,080
if I were the president, I would
inform the threatening country,

1248
01:10:56,500 --> 01:11:00,660
in this case, Iran, that if you
do anything to harm this person,

1249
01:11:00,660 --> 01:11:04,620
we are going to blow your
largest cities and the country

1250
01:11:04,620 --> 01:11:08,520
itself to smithereens. We're
going to blow it to smithereens.

1251
01:11:08,520 --> 01:11:09,900
You can't do that. And

1252
01:11:09,900 --> 01:11:14,040
Adam Curry: right on cue, my
neighbor, Laura Logan, connected

1253
01:11:14,040 --> 01:11:17,820
to Defense Intelligence Agency
through her husband, who no

1254
01:11:17,820 --> 01:11:22,580
longer is in service, comes out
with a post urgent, according to

1255
01:11:22,580 --> 01:11:25,940
informant in New Mexico, Trump's
plane is the next target for

1256
01:11:25,940 --> 01:11:29,600
assassination. Nine heat seeking
surface to air missiles have

1257
01:11:29,600 --> 01:11:32,660
been smuggled into the US for
this purpose, and there are

1258
01:11:32,660 --> 01:11:36,140
three kill teams already inside
the country. Trump has been

1259
01:11:36,140 --> 01:11:39,440
informed. So have the US, Intel
agencies and other authorities.

1260
01:11:39,500 --> 01:11:42,820
Money has been transferred to a
cartel to push this over the

1261
01:11:42,820 --> 01:11:45,700
border. These people are
cornered and vicious. They will

1262
01:11:45,700 --> 01:11:51,640
stop at nothing. So only one of
two scenarios is now possible,

1263
01:11:52,000 --> 01:11:52,720
either.

1264
01:11:53,080 --> 01:11:55,420
John C Dvorak: I like the way
you dramatize it. It is good

1265
01:11:55,420 --> 01:11:56,080
dramatize Well,

1266
01:11:56,200 --> 01:11:58,780
Adam Curry: I mean, that's the
way the church lady Text group

1267
01:11:58,840 --> 01:12:02,640
dramatized it, because they're
like, oh, Laura poses this, you

1268
01:12:02,640 --> 01:12:06,240
know, Infowars, multiple sources
now confirm surface to air

1269
01:12:06,240 --> 01:12:07,860
missiles inside us to target
Trump

1270
01:12:07,860 --> 01:12:09,540
John C Dvorak: forced one. Oh,
you're getting,

1271
01:12:09,540 --> 01:12:11,340
Adam Curry: I'm getting, Alex.
I'm getting, I'm doing it, I'm

1272
01:12:11,340 --> 01:12:17,100
doing it. I'm doing it. So one
of two scenarios is possible.

1273
01:12:17,760 --> 01:12:21,980
One is something actually
happens, President Trump is

1274
01:12:21,980 --> 01:12:25,400
assassinated by a surface to air
missile, God forbid, but I'm

1275
01:12:25,400 --> 01:12:30,080
just saying God forbid, but it
would certainly be a reason to

1276
01:12:30,080 --> 01:12:37,100
target Iran. I think more likely
is, this is Trump's job, and it

1277
01:12:37,100 --> 01:12:41,140
is probably said, and I just
have to step back where many

1278
01:12:41,140 --> 01:12:44,980
people believe that Israel
controls America, I believe the

1279
01:12:44,980 --> 01:12:50,440
opposite. We control Israel.
It's our aircraft carrier in the

1280
01:12:50,440 --> 01:12:55,420
desert in the sand. And this has
been a setup from one year ago

1281
01:12:55,660 --> 01:13:00,300
to get every single piece of the
chessboard all the way up to

1282
01:13:00,300 --> 01:13:04,560
Iran, and there will be a
reason, probably, for Trump, as

1283
01:13:04,560 --> 01:13:09,840
President, to take out the
National Guard, the moolahs, the

1284
01:13:09,840 --> 01:13:13,320
whole kit and caboodle. It may
be just as surgical. He may have

1285
01:13:13,320 --> 01:13:17,160
more pager blow ups or whatever,
and then but a Bing, but a boom.

1286
01:13:17,220 --> 01:13:21,500
We have the West Clark seven
completed, and then the Neo cons

1287
01:13:21,500 --> 01:13:24,680
have exactly what they wanted.
Instead of taking three years,

1288
01:13:24,680 --> 01:13:29,960
it took them 23 years. That's
what this feels like to me, and

1289
01:13:29,960 --> 01:13:33,920
John C Dvorak: took them a long
time. Can I take do a little

1290
01:13:33,920 --> 01:13:38,600
meta on this? Yeah, please. Is
it possible because of, if you

1291
01:13:38,600 --> 01:13:43,480
back off to your own thesis and
Muhammad's commentary about how

1292
01:13:43,540 --> 01:13:47,860
the Israelis and the Americans
and the Iranians were already

1293
01:13:47,860 --> 01:13:51,220
working together, that they've
already been taken over.

1294
01:13:51,520 --> 01:13:55,300
Adam Curry: Very possible. And,
and, you know, and the rest of

1295
01:13:55,300 --> 01:13:56,320
it is all

1296
01:13:56,380 --> 01:13:58,300
John C Dvorak: show, all shows,
all theater,

1297
01:13:58,300 --> 01:14:01,920
Adam Curry: fireworks,
fireworks. Yeah, completely

1298
01:14:01,920 --> 01:14:02,640
possible.

1299
01:14:03,480 --> 01:14:05,040
John C Dvorak: I mean, and
that's the reason they had to

1300
01:14:05,040 --> 01:14:09,180
get rid of Nasrallah. They were
also, how did anybody, I don't

1301
01:14:09,180 --> 01:14:13,860
care how good Mossad is, or our
people, how do they know where

1302
01:14:13,860 --> 01:14:19,140
this guy is, where they can do a
targeted bunker buster from a I

1303
01:14:19,140 --> 01:14:23,420
get an F 16, or whatever plane
they shot, it from which has

1304
01:14:23,780 --> 01:14:28,100
been documented, a targeted
bunker buster that went and blew

1305
01:14:28,100 --> 01:14:33,200
up the basement and went through
and killed this guy when he's

1306
01:14:33,200 --> 01:14:37,040
never, ever seen who, how did
they ever know where he was?

1307
01:14:37,220 --> 01:14:40,160
This is an inside job.
Interesting.

1308
01:14:40,160 --> 01:14:44,200
Adam Curry: You bring that up. I
didn't clip it, but the that Al

1309
01:14:44,200 --> 01:14:48,760
guy on the dance in your call me
back podcast, he said exactly

1310
01:14:48,760 --> 01:14:52,180
what you're saying. Like this
was, what kind of intelligence,

1311
01:14:52,180 --> 01:14:55,540
how did they get? And he went on
to say, I have my thoughts. You

1312
01:14:55,540 --> 01:14:57,880
know, I'm working on sources
like, not going to say anything

1313
01:14:57,880 --> 01:15:01,200
about it yet. So everyone's
asked. Asking this question, How

1314
01:15:01,200 --> 01:15:07,200
was this possible? I agree,
inside job. It is the the 911 of

1315
01:15:07,200 --> 01:15:11,760
the Middle East and and we're
almost done. I mean, Syria, we,

1316
01:15:11,760 --> 01:15:15,360
you know, we have troops there.
Sudan, big mess. It's all our

1317
01:15:15,360 --> 01:15:16,020
arms that

1318
01:15:16,200 --> 01:15:17,940
John C Dvorak: are. Got to
remember, they've killed off

1319
01:15:17,940 --> 01:15:22,700
that, that one superstar leader
in I don't know, where was it,

1320
01:15:22,700 --> 01:15:25,340
Lebanon. They got him in this
hotel room and they blew up,

1321
01:15:25,340 --> 01:15:28,880
though, they supposedly sent a
missile, it turns out to be a

1322
01:15:28,880 --> 01:15:34,040
bomb in a room in Tehran to take
out this other guy who knows is

1323
01:15:34,040 --> 01:15:36,260
absolutely right when he says,
These guys have been

1324
01:15:36,260 --> 01:15:38,720
disappearing one after the
other, and they're all a threat

1325
01:15:38,720 --> 01:15:39,560
to the system.

1326
01:15:39,620 --> 01:15:42,820
Adam Curry: So now we just need
some big fireworks. It would, it

1327
01:15:42,820 --> 01:15:45,820
would be kind of cool to have
some surface to air missiles not

1328
01:15:45,820 --> 01:15:52,000
hit anything but go off. You
know, more more cool fireworks.

1329
01:15:52,360 --> 01:15:56,440
I mean, that's that. It has to
be something like that. You got

1330
01:15:56,440 --> 01:16:01,740
to go back to the to ground zero
on October 7, bull crap the

1331
01:16:01,740 --> 01:16:07,020
Israelis. Whoa, whoa. How did
that happen? No way. This thing

1332
01:16:07,020 --> 01:16:10,800
was a setup from the beginning.
Unfortunately, had to kill, you

1333
01:16:10,800 --> 01:16:16,320
know, like 50,000 men, women and
children in Gaza. But I think

1334
01:16:16,320 --> 01:16:18,360
they thought it was worth it,
and they don't care. They killed

1335
01:16:18,360 --> 01:16:23,060
3000 Americans on 911 they don't
care, sent in millions of

1336
01:16:23,060 --> 01:16:27,020
troops. Wound up killing a
million Iraqis. They killed

1337
01:16:27,020 --> 01:16:29,900
John C Dvorak: left and right.
I'm always go, I take it all the

1338
01:16:29,900 --> 01:16:33,200
way back to that Korean flight
that flew, you know, an inch

1339
01:16:33,200 --> 01:16:36,140
over Moscow. It was just
accidental move, or even though

1340
01:16:36,140 --> 01:16:38,720
they turns out the thing was
filled with cameras. It was

1341
01:16:38,720 --> 01:16:41,560
taking pictures of some base,
yeah, and there was a bunch of

1342
01:16:41,920 --> 01:16:45,700
paying passengers in that plane,
yeah, you know, they paid good

1343
01:16:45,700 --> 01:16:48,520
money to take a nice, safe
flight to Tokyo, where everyone

1344
01:16:48,520 --> 01:16:52,000
was headed, and they all got
killed. Nobody cares. And

1345
01:16:52,000 --> 01:16:55,120
Adam Curry: by the way, they
didn't care, sending out a

1346
01:16:55,120 --> 01:16:58,360
dangerous product to inject to
the American people and the rest

1347
01:16:58,360 --> 01:17:00,940
of the world. They don't care.
Guess the price, and

1348
01:17:02,440 --> 01:17:03,480
Unknown: neither did Trump.

1349
01:17:04,920 --> 01:17:08,820
Adam Curry: FYI, so this would
be the perfect reason for Trump

1350
01:17:08,820 --> 01:17:13,080
to become president. Perfect.
He's been threatened. He says,

1351
01:17:13,080 --> 01:17:15,420
Hey, I'm gonna he basically
says, I'll blow you to

1352
01:17:15,420 --> 01:17:18,900
smithereens if you threaten me,
although he said, Oh, if it was

1353
01:17:18,900 --> 01:17:22,340
the opposing candidate, yeah,
whatever. You know, there's, you

1354
01:17:22,340 --> 01:17:27,200
see the videos, these slick
videos which are clearly CGI,

1355
01:17:27,560 --> 01:17:32,600
computer generated media, CGM,
maybe I should say, with, you

1356
01:17:32,600 --> 01:17:36,980
know, supposedly made by Iran,
put on the on the Ayatollah's

1357
01:17:36,980 --> 01:17:40,960
webpage or the President's
webpage. And it's Trump golfing

1358
01:17:40,960 --> 01:17:46,360
at Mar a Lago, and this robot
with a camera, you know, little,

1359
01:17:46,360 --> 01:17:49,780
you know, little four wheel job
rolls along, and then it goes up

1360
01:17:49,780 --> 01:17:52,000
there, and it targets the
president, and then all of a

1361
01:17:52,000 --> 01:17:57,160
sudden, the drone kills him. On
on the eighth hole. This is all

1362
01:17:57,160 --> 01:18:01,920
part of the show. The question
is, does it come as an October

1363
01:18:01,920 --> 01:18:09,000
surprise? Which would make
sense. You know, Trump's the

1364
01:18:09,000 --> 01:18:12,840
guy. He's the guy that'll take
him out. Bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb

1365
01:18:12,840 --> 01:18:15,780
Iran, bomb them, bomb them and
bomb them again. Everybody's

1366
01:18:15,780 --> 01:18:18,060
teed up, especially Fox News.
You

1367
01:18:23,120 --> 01:18:24,980
John C Dvorak: Well, I think
they've already got Iran in the

1368
01:18:24,980 --> 01:18:27,500
pocket. I think this whole
thing, they're not going to bomb

1369
01:18:27,500 --> 01:18:30,680
Iran anytime soon, and I think
the mullahs knew that. And this,

1370
01:18:30,680 --> 01:18:33,200
with this whole thing, is this
something of a ski. I mean, it's

1371
01:18:33,200 --> 01:18:37,820
a complete scam, from top to
bottoms, exactly. And with that,

1372
01:18:37,880 --> 01:18:39,020
it's well done.

1373
01:18:39,500 --> 01:18:42,640
Adam Curry: It's, it's very well
done, because we've already

1374
01:18:42,640 --> 01:18:47,260
forgotten October 7. We already
forgot that we're already beyond

1375
01:18:47,260 --> 01:18:51,700
it. We're beyond it. All right,
Trump's out there talking a big

1376
01:18:51,700 --> 01:18:56,860
game about it, and Iranian was
going to kill Trump. Okay, sure,

1377
01:18:56,860 --> 01:18:59,620
sure. We'll see what happens.
And with that, I'd like to thank

1378
01:18:59,620 --> 01:19:02,100
you for your currency in the
morning, to you, the man who put

1379
01:19:02,100 --> 01:19:04,860
the sea in the climate week in
New York. Say hello to my friend

1380
01:19:04,860 --> 01:19:06,840
on the other end, the one and
only. Mr. Johnson

1381
01:19:13,500 --> 01:19:13,860
Unknown: thunder,

1382
01:19:15,480 --> 01:19:17,880
John C Dvorak: welcome to I'm
sorry. In the morning to you and

1383
01:19:17,880 --> 01:19:20,280
Mr. Adam curry, also in the
morning, ship sea boots and

1384
01:19:20,280 --> 01:19:25,040
Raffy in the air, steps of the
water, all the games and nights

1385
01:19:25,220 --> 01:19:25,700
out there in

1386
01:19:25,700 --> 01:19:28,340
Adam Curry: the morning to the
trolls and the troll Road, we're

1387
01:19:31,160 --> 01:19:37,580
looking at peak trollage of 2223
and Currently 20 188

1388
01:19:40,340 --> 01:19:41,980
Unknown: is that good? No,

1389
01:19:42,340 --> 01:19:44,860
John C Dvorak: down. Four down.
304 down. We're

1390
01:19:44,860 --> 01:19:48,760
Adam Curry: down. Trolls are
down. Ah, well, the trolls have

1391
01:19:48,760 --> 01:19:51,700
been very helpful today. It's
good to have y'all in the troll

1392
01:19:51,700 --> 01:19:55,060
room there@trollroom.io or, if
you prefer, no agenda dot

1393
01:19:55,060 --> 01:19:58,420
stream, that's where you can
listen to all of the live shows

1394
01:19:58,420 --> 01:20:01,200
on the no agenda stream, which
is not. Going almost as long as

1395
01:20:01,200 --> 01:20:04,200
this show. The troll room has
been going as long as the show

1396
01:20:04,200 --> 01:20:06,360
as well. It's pretty
unbelievable how long that thing

1397
01:20:06,360 --> 01:20:09,900
has stayed with us. And other
systems have come and gone, but

1398
01:20:09,900 --> 01:20:13,020
the troll room has always been
there, and you can also

1399
01:20:13,260 --> 01:20:17,160
experience that with a
notification on your smartphone

1400
01:20:17,760 --> 01:20:21,200
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1401
01:20:21,200 --> 01:20:24,020
live, we hit the bat signal, and
you can listen to the live show

1402
01:20:24,140 --> 01:20:27,320
in the app, the same one if you
missed that, where you can get

1403
01:20:27,320 --> 01:20:30,380
the show once we publish it 90
seconds after publishing. That's

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your new app@podcastapps.com we

1405
01:20:37,280 --> 01:20:42,580
are now at 1699 episodes. On
Thursday, we will be celebrating

1406
01:20:43,000 --> 01:20:48,820
1700 episodes of your no agenda
show. And I say your because, as

1407
01:20:48,820 --> 01:20:53,020
I explained just yesterday, I
was on the other day, I was on

1408
01:20:53,020 --> 01:20:56,380
the new media show, and
yesterday I was on the

1409
01:20:56,380 --> 01:21:01,980
podcasting summit, the what
podcast summit, the summit for

1410
01:21:01,980 --> 01:21:05,820
podcasters. Really about
podcasting 2.0 I was talking

1411
01:21:05,820 --> 01:21:08,820
about how we do the show. You
know, our Yes, our little

1412
01:21:08,820 --> 01:21:11,220
John C Dvorak: podcast here, I
ran into a whole series of you

1413
01:21:11,220 --> 01:21:13,740
being on all these random
podcasts. Was

1414
01:21:13,740 --> 01:21:16,200
Adam Curry: it on tick tock? And
did you get into the Al? Did the

1415
01:21:16,200 --> 01:21:17,220
algo suck you in?

1416
01:21:17,820 --> 01:21:21,440
John C Dvorak: No, it was on
YouTube. Oh, also, same

1417
01:21:21,440 --> 01:21:24,440
Adam Curry: thing and, and I was
always very, I'm very

1418
01:21:24,440 --> 01:21:28,100
complimentary, am I not about
you? Especially about you? No,

1419
01:21:29,660 --> 01:21:31,220
no, okay,

1420
01:21:31,520 --> 01:21:33,680
John C Dvorak: I think there's,
I will talk to you about it

1421
01:21:33,680 --> 01:21:37,160
after the show. I do have some
thoughts. Oh, did I do something

1422
01:21:37,160 --> 01:21:39,260
wrong? Well, it's no, it's
nothing bad. But I think you,

1423
01:21:39,260 --> 01:21:43,780
you have a pitch, and you, I
think you're de emphasizing one

1424
01:21:43,780 --> 01:21:46,600
of the elements of the pitch,
which is that we don't do

1425
01:21:47,020 --> 01:21:48,760
premium content.

1426
01:21:49,060 --> 01:21:51,580
Adam Curry: Oh, I, sometimes I
forget that, yes,

1427
01:21:52,120 --> 01:21:54,040
John C Dvorak: because that you
can really go out because

1428
01:21:54,040 --> 01:21:57,700
premium this i and the reason
that comes up to comes to mind

1429
01:21:57,700 --> 01:22:02,520
is I was, there was some 404,
media, whenever this one group

1430
01:22:02,520 --> 01:22:06,480
does the sub stackers, and then
they go on about how they're

1431
01:22:06,480 --> 01:22:09,360
going to do a podcast about
this, about this column, and

1432
01:22:09,360 --> 01:22:12,600
then there's going to be premium
content for these subscribers.

1433
01:22:13,260 --> 01:22:16,620
And I'm thinking, Why? Why? Why
are you hiding it? Is the

1434
01:22:16,620 --> 01:22:19,200
information better than the
stuff you're normally telling

1435
01:22:19,200 --> 01:22:23,660
us? Is it secretive? Can you can
you ever refer to it because

1436
01:22:23,660 --> 01:22:27,680
it's premium? Why are you
forcing is the material you're

1437
01:22:27,680 --> 01:22:31,340
actually trying to service a
greater audience? Are you just

1438
01:22:31,340 --> 01:22:35,300
trying to cut it, cut them off?
I mean, I I just don't

1439
01:22:35,300 --> 01:22:38,540
understand the mentality behind
and this was all started by

1440
01:22:38,540 --> 01:22:43,540
Patreon. I do not understand the
mentality of premium content.

1441
01:22:43,600 --> 01:22:47,020
Thank you. In other words, I
mean, it should all, if it's all

1442
01:22:47,020 --> 01:22:50,140
premium Yeah, it's like a stock
market newsletter. You have to

1443
01:22:50,140 --> 01:22:53,620
pay for it because it's all
premium content. It's not for

1444
01:22:53,620 --> 01:22:56,080
the general it's not just free
information, because you can

1445
01:22:56,080 --> 01:22:59,860
make money from money making
content. Yes, but in the case of

1446
01:22:59,860 --> 01:23:03,120
this show and these and all
these other podcasts. Why are

1447
01:23:03,120 --> 01:23:07,200
you hiding some of the
information from the general

1448
01:23:07,200 --> 01:23:10,380
listener, many of whom can't
afford to to subscribe to

1449
01:23:10,380 --> 01:23:12,660
anything. We have a lot of
people that I just know. They

1450
01:23:12,660 --> 01:23:14,820
just can't afford it. They can't
afford five bucks.

1451
01:23:14,880 --> 01:23:17,280
Adam Curry: Yeah, and I think
this is an excellent point.

1452
01:23:17,280 --> 01:23:19,920
Thank you for reminding me. Do
we have to have the meeting

1453
01:23:19,920 --> 01:23:21,440
still, or can we not have the
meeting?

1454
01:23:22,460 --> 01:23:23,540
John C Dvorak: There's some
other issues. I'm

1455
01:23:23,540 --> 01:23:25,160
Adam Curry: gonna be nervous.

1456
01:23:25,760 --> 01:23:26,540
John C Dvorak: I'll bring them
out. I'm

1457
01:23:26,540 --> 01:23:27,260
Adam Curry: gonna be nervous. I

1458
01:23:27,260 --> 01:23:30,320
John C Dvorak: don't know why
you keep harping on the you have

1459
01:23:30,320 --> 01:23:33,380
now come up with a new thesis,
that we hate each other.

1460
01:23:34,700 --> 01:23:36,500
Adam Curry: I never said we hate
each other.

1461
01:23:36,620 --> 01:23:38,180
John C Dvorak: Yes, you
suggested it.

1462
01:23:38,360 --> 01:23:41,140
Adam Curry: I said we're not
really friends. Y'all know you

1463
01:23:41,140 --> 01:23:42,760
John C Dvorak: said we're not
really friends. We might even

1464
01:23:42,760 --> 01:23:47,620
hate each other. You said that
it's a joke. It's not perceived

1465
01:23:47,620 --> 01:23:49,480
as a joke by me. I'm sorry.

1466
01:23:49,660 --> 01:23:50,260
Adam Curry: Well,

1467
01:23:51,520 --> 01:23:52,900
Unknown: do you love me? I

1468
01:23:52,900 --> 01:23:55,600
John C Dvorak: think we are
friends. If you ask for a favor

1469
01:23:55,660 --> 01:23:57,700
from a friend, I would give you
the favor. I've

1470
01:23:57,700 --> 01:24:01,440
Adam Curry: only been to dinner
at your house once. You live in

1471
01:24:01,440 --> 01:24:02,340
John C Dvorak: Texas.

1472
01:24:02,520 --> 01:24:06,540
Adam Curry: I used to live in
California, even then once, and

1473
01:24:06,540 --> 01:24:08,400
you didn't even let me see your
studio.

1474
01:24:08,640 --> 01:24:10,380
John C Dvorak: Well, no, you're
not going to see the studio,

1475
01:24:10,380 --> 01:24:13,620
okay, under any circumstances.
But that's beside the point. We

1476
01:24:13,620 --> 01:24:15,960
used to go to dinner a lot when
you were near.

1477
01:24:17,100 --> 01:24:19,200
Adam Curry: It was really a
build out because I got bored of

1478
01:24:19,200 --> 01:24:22,520
telling people I should go back
to saying we don't talk outside

1479
01:24:22,520 --> 01:24:26,300
of the show to keep it fresh.
That's that's where that comes

1480
01:24:26,300 --> 01:24:26,540
from.

1481
01:24:26,600 --> 01:24:28,520
John C Dvorak: Okay? And you
also leave out the part that

1482
01:24:28,520 --> 01:24:32,960
this is performance art, yeah,
you're not using it.

1483
01:24:33,380 --> 01:24:35,900
Adam Curry: No, that's your
term. You always use the term,

1484
01:24:35,900 --> 01:24:39,020
yeah, but you know it's right. I

1485
01:24:40,280 --> 01:24:42,820
John C Dvorak: Okay. I didn't
know that you were reluctant to

1486
01:24:43,060 --> 01:24:45,220
okay, you don't see it that way.
No, okay,

1487
01:24:45,220 --> 01:24:49,180
Adam Curry: no, I see it that
way. But I don't like the term.

1488
01:24:49,180 --> 01:24:52,720
I like saying because, you know,
performance art, think makes me

1489
01:24:52,720 --> 01:24:55,420
think of Bjork or Lady Gaga.

1490
01:24:56,140 --> 01:24:57,820
John C Dvorak: Okay, I get it. I
get it.

1491
01:24:58,240 --> 01:24:58,960
Unknown: Well with me, I

1492
01:24:58,960 --> 01:25:00,480
John C Dvorak: could see where
you could be. I find it

1493
01:25:00,480 --> 01:25:02,700
objectionable, objectionable.

1494
01:25:02,760 --> 01:25:05,640
Adam Curry: But what I usually
try to explain and, and, yes,

1495
01:25:05,640 --> 01:25:09,000
sometimes I You're absolutely
right. I'm taking the criticism

1496
01:25:10,200 --> 01:25:15,420
as as constructive. What, what
I, what I did say in that same

1497
01:25:15,420 --> 01:25:18,660
interview is, you know, we have,
sometimes up to 100 clips, and

1498
01:25:18,660 --> 01:25:21,140
we're just playing off each
other. We don't play them all,

1499
01:25:21,320 --> 01:25:25,700
but this is an ongoing creative
process, and we just flow into

1500
01:25:25,700 --> 01:25:26,840
each other. And

1501
01:25:26,840 --> 01:25:29,420
John C Dvorak: I'm not gonna,
I'm not gonna, yes, we do. I'm

1502
01:25:29,420 --> 01:25:32,600
not gonna name the podcaster
because I get because honestly

1503
01:25:32,600 --> 01:25:36,200
don't remember his name. But
there was some guy who were on

1504
01:25:36,200 --> 01:25:40,840
some podcast where I swear,
because I had the time codes, it

1505
01:25:40,840 --> 01:25:44,800
was 37 minutes before he even
put you on the screen, and then

1506
01:25:44,800 --> 01:25:49,420
he talked another 10 minutes
before he let you say a word. It

1507
01:25:49,420 --> 01:25:54,760
was almost an hour of the whole
podcast of him jabbering.

1508
01:25:55,480 --> 01:25:57,640
Adam Curry: I'm trying to think
what this must have been a while

1509
01:25:57,640 --> 01:25:58,720
back. I'm trying to think it

1510
01:25:58,720 --> 01:26:01,380
John C Dvorak: was, it wasn't,
it wasn't, not that far back. It

1511
01:26:01,380 --> 01:26:06,120
was maybe three or four months
ago, and it was yak, yak, yak. I

1512
01:26:06,120 --> 01:26:10,080
mean this. And it was, I don't,
I don't want to insult a fellow

1513
01:26:10,080 --> 01:26:11,460
podcaster, even though

1514
01:26:12,660 --> 01:26:16,800
Adam Curry: I remember there was
a podcast like that where this

1515
01:26:16,800 --> 01:26:19,920
happened. I remember telling
Tina, like, wow, like guy talk

1516
01:26:19,920 --> 01:26:22,580
more than than me. Just kept on
talking. I don't, I don't

1517
01:26:22,580 --> 01:26:27,800
remember who it was, yeah, yeah,
and that's okay, but absolutely

1518
01:26:27,800 --> 01:26:30,320
Point taken. And of course,
we're friends,

1519
01:26:31,940 --> 01:26:33,500
Unknown: kind of kissing
cousins,

1520
01:26:36,260 --> 01:26:39,140
John C Dvorak: so I'm not going
to take anything. I'm not

1521
01:26:39,140 --> 01:26:39,560
kissing

1522
01:26:41,600 --> 01:26:43,720
Adam Curry: now. Do we not have
to have the meaning, or is there

1523
01:26:43,720 --> 01:26:44,320
even more?

1524
01:26:45,340 --> 01:26:47,980
John C Dvorak: There's one or
two things in a little more? No,

1525
01:26:47,980 --> 01:26:52,420
Adam Curry: oh no. Oh no. Hey,
let me critique your interview.

1526
01:26:52,420 --> 01:26:54,820
Oh, wait, you don't do any,
okay, I've

1527
01:26:54,820 --> 01:26:56,620
John C Dvorak: done a couple.
You promote the show.

1528
01:26:56,680 --> 01:27:01,500
Adam Curry: When's the last time
you promoted the show? Exactly,

1529
01:27:02,340 --> 01:27:05,880
I'm out there living on the
edge, man, I'm taking all the

1530
01:27:05,880 --> 01:27:09,840
hits and people email me when
they're angry at you. Well,

1531
01:27:09,840 --> 01:27:13,080
John C Dvorak: that's fine. It's
working out for me.

1532
01:27:15,840 --> 01:27:18,180
Adam Curry: I refuse to have
this meeting after the show.

1533
01:27:18,240 --> 01:27:22,460
There's something else you need
to say. You can say it now. No,

1534
01:27:25,400 --> 01:27:28,760
well, is it constructive? Will
it improve the promotion of

1535
01:27:28,760 --> 01:27:30,680
John C Dvorak: the show? No, no,

1536
01:27:32,420 --> 01:27:33,860
Adam Curry: it's just you
bitching about me. Is

1537
01:27:33,860 --> 01:27:37,700
John C Dvorak: that what it is?
No, it's a suggestion. Okay,

1538
01:27:37,880 --> 01:27:41,380
Unknown: all right, you can
suggest it. No, no, because

1539
01:27:41,380 --> 01:27:44,440
John C Dvorak: this is no,
because no, it's bond to it

1540
01:27:44,440 --> 01:27:45,460
properly in public.

1541
01:27:48,880 --> 01:27:51,880
Adam Curry: I will respond. I
You really can't make me mad

1542
01:27:51,880 --> 01:27:54,220
anymore, except the other day,

1543
01:27:54,880 --> 01:27:57,220
John C Dvorak: the other day
try. That's the reason the

1544
01:27:57,280 --> 01:27:59,200
Adam Curry: other day you
thought I was mad when I said,

1545
01:27:59,320 --> 01:28:01,800
Hey, why don't you just do the
show with Mo. I think I did say

1546
01:28:01,800 --> 01:28:03,300
that. Yes, you did.

1547
01:28:05,460 --> 01:28:10,200
John C Dvorak: I don't know. I
mean, I like Mo, but yeah, he's

1548
01:28:10,200 --> 01:28:11,520
he's more than I can take.

1549
01:28:12,120 --> 01:28:17,220
Adam Curry: There you go. Hello,
everybody. All right, so Good

1550
01:28:17,220 --> 01:28:21,020
point. There's no premium
content you can't access, and

1551
01:28:21,020 --> 01:28:23,900
people who can't afford to
support us with their treasure

1552
01:28:23,900 --> 01:28:26,900
of the time, talent and
treasure. You can support us in

1553
01:28:26,900 --> 01:28:31,040
other ways, by telling people to
listen, by promoting us somehow.

1554
01:28:31,700 --> 01:28:35,600
One of the ways that we like to
receive value, and our value for

1555
01:28:35,600 --> 01:28:38,480
value model, is from our
artists. We have a lot of them,

1556
01:28:38,840 --> 01:28:43,360
and they use no agenda, Art
generator.com, we were talking a

1557
01:28:43,360 --> 01:28:48,460
lot about AI on the last show.
PS, producers, you don't have to

1558
01:28:48,460 --> 01:28:53,500
send me the notebook. Lm,
podcast that you made up. Okay,

1559
01:28:53,800 --> 01:28:57,100
everybody is coming up with ID.
Did you get all did you get a

1560
01:28:57,100 --> 01:28:58,060
number of these?

1561
01:28:59,320 --> 01:29:01,740
John C Dvorak: Yes, and I'm
gonna I, since I'm working on a

1562
01:29:01,740 --> 01:29:04,680
sub stack column about this, I
one of them I do want to

1563
01:29:04,680 --> 01:29:10,260
actually use, go have a link to,
yeah, anyone can do these. I

1564
01:29:10,260 --> 01:29:13,740
mean, it just, I know, but the
notebook LM is terrible, and by

1565
01:29:13,740 --> 01:29:16,560
the way, so I'm sitting at
dinner with their family on

1566
01:29:16,860 --> 01:29:21,860
Friday, and I just mentioned
notebook LM and JC, who's in the

1567
01:29:21,860 --> 01:29:26,840
AI, he's got an AI company.
Says, oh, that's the greatest.

1568
01:29:27,560 --> 01:29:32,180
What? So I called him out? He

1569
01:29:32,180 --> 01:29:35,060
Adam Curry: says, The Greatest.
Let's do a deep dive. This is

1570
01:29:35,060 --> 01:29:40,420
mind blowing. Oh, yeah, ah,
yeah. That then, after you

1571
01:29:40,420 --> 01:29:41,500
called him out, what happened?

1572
01:29:41,860 --> 01:29:44,860
John C Dvorak: He immediately
backed off. He said, Yeah, it

1573
01:29:44,860 --> 01:29:46,720
sucks. So

1574
01:29:46,900 --> 01:29:51,400
Adam Curry: this one producer,
since we're on it, he uploaded a

1575
01:29:51,400 --> 01:29:58,780
text file that had like three
words in it. Monk, I think was

1576
01:29:58,780 --> 01:30:02,760
like one. What does monkey taint
smell like? That was literally

1577
01:30:02,760 --> 01:30:07,020
the input for the podcast. And
he did three others, you know,

1578
01:30:07,020 --> 01:30:10,260
like, okay, but I do have to
play just a little bit of this

1579
01:30:10,260 --> 01:30:10,500
one.

1580
01:30:10,620 --> 01:30:13,860
Bag: Okay, you've got to hear
this one. Today's deep dive is

1581
01:30:13,860 --> 01:30:18,060
dot unique. Our listener wants
to know, what does a monkey

1582
01:30:18,060 --> 01:30:19,380
taint smell like.

1583
01:30:19,440 --> 01:30:20,960
Unknown: And frankly,

1584
01:30:21,320 --> 01:30:23,180
who am I to judge? Let's dive
in. You

1585
01:30:23,180 --> 01:30:25,580
Douche: know, it's funny, isn't
it? The listener gives us this

1586
01:30:25,580 --> 01:30:29,420
single, open ended question, no
extra info, nothing. Just what?

1587
01:30:29,600 --> 01:30:32,120
What does a monkey taint smell
like? Right?

1588
01:30:32,120 --> 01:30:35,300
Bag: No, I was at the zoo the
other day and or I've always

1589
01:30:35,300 --> 01:30:38,600
wondered, just straight to the
monkey taint. So where do we

1590
01:30:38,600 --> 01:30:41,260
even start with this? I mean, on
the one hand, it's a question

1591
01:30:41,260 --> 01:30:43,060
about a smell, presumably. So

1592
01:30:43,180 --> 01:30:44,860
Douche: we're already making
assumptions. Well, yeah, I

1593
01:30:44,860 --> 01:30:46,960
Bag: guess we are. Okay. So it's
question about smell,

1594
01:30:46,960 --> 01:30:48,580
potentially, and it's about
monkeys.

1595
01:30:50,080 --> 01:30:52,540
John C Dvorak: How are they
making assumptions? That's

1596
01:30:52,540 --> 01:30:54,340
exactly what the question was.

1597
01:30:54,760 --> 01:30:55,840
Adam Curry: This is why it's,

1598
01:30:55,840 --> 01:30:57,760
John C Dvorak: what does that
smell like, in

1599
01:30:58,060 --> 01:31:01,440
Bag: some way, but it's also got
this word taint, yeah, that's

1600
01:31:01,440 --> 01:31:04,500
Douche: the real curveball,
isn't it? Curveball? It's a real

1601
01:31:04,500 --> 01:31:08,700
curveball, John. It's evocative,
suggestive, not your average

1602
01:31:08,880 --> 01:31:11,520
neutral word for a body part,
because you wonder what kind of

1603
01:31:11,520 --> 01:31:14,100
smell the listener is picturing.
You know exactly

1604
01:31:14,100 --> 01:31:17,820
Bag: like. Are we talking about
something acrid, musky, sweet,

1605
01:31:18,120 --> 01:31:21,800
putrid? The word taint kind of
implies something a bit

1606
01:31:22,340 --> 01:31:24,080
offensive, right? Oh, man,

1607
01:31:25,340 --> 01:31:27,020
Adam Curry: this is how bad it
is.

1608
01:31:27,260 --> 01:31:29,960
John C Dvorak: Now, this is
Google. I want to say a couple

1609
01:31:29,960 --> 01:31:32,960
of things before we will get off
this in a second for people or

1610
01:31:33,020 --> 01:31:37,280
think it sucks, but this is
Google. They're editorializing.

1611
01:31:37,280 --> 01:31:40,600
There's example after example of
them editorializing one thing or

1612
01:31:40,600 --> 01:31:43,780
another. It's got nothing to do
with what this is supposed to

1613
01:31:43,780 --> 01:31:49,180
be. Notebook. It's supposed to
be, take your notes and then

1614
01:31:49,180 --> 01:31:51,820
turn them into some sort of
narrative so you can, you know,

1615
01:31:51,880 --> 01:31:55,900
listen to it. You learn. You can
be educated. It's not supposed

1616
01:31:55,900 --> 01:32:00,600
to teach it, you know, life
lessons. It's called notebook.

1617
01:32:00,600 --> 01:32:02,640
Hello. What does notebook mean?

1618
01:32:02,940 --> 01:32:06,300
Adam Curry: And the sad thing
is, it probably cost $5 to

1619
01:32:06,300 --> 01:32:10,080
create this podcast in compute
cost. I think you're low in

1620
01:32:10,080 --> 01:32:11,400
Compute costs.

1621
01:32:11,700 --> 01:32:12,600
John C Dvorak: I think you're
low.

1622
01:32:12,660 --> 01:32:16,260
Adam Curry: Yeah, I might be, I
might be, that's and, dude, I'm

1623
01:32:16,260 --> 01:32:20,040
telling you not you do. But
dudes, dude, when they really

1624
01:32:20,040 --> 01:32:23,240
start charging you what it costs
for this nonsense. It's gonna,

1625
01:32:23,240 --> 01:32:28,700
it's over. No one's gonna use it
like, you know, it's really, you

1626
01:32:28,700 --> 01:32:31,400
know, someone sent me a song
about the pod files that's

1627
01:32:31,400 --> 01:32:34,280
really cute. If it had cost you
10 bucks you've done it. No,

1628
01:32:34,340 --> 01:32:39,560
exactly. It's not that cute.
It's because it's free. Now,

1629
01:32:39,680 --> 01:32:41,980
we'll talk more about that
later. Let's get back to our

1630
01:32:41,980 --> 01:32:47,980
artists. Because we were talking
about the concept of AI slop,

1631
01:32:48,400 --> 01:32:50,980
which I'm hearing now, even on
Bloomberg, I heard him talking

1632
01:32:50,980 --> 01:32:55,840
about it. So the term is out
there AI slop, which is ruining

1633
01:32:56,320 --> 01:33:00,660
review websites is ruining
comments is ruining websites

1634
01:33:00,660 --> 01:33:03,240
where people upload short
stories they've written.

1635
01:33:03,240 --> 01:33:10,860
Everything is now chat, GPT,
anthropic, Claude, slop, Gemini.

1636
01:33:11,700 --> 01:33:16,080
And so we felt it was only
fitting to choose a piece of AI

1637
01:33:16,080 --> 01:33:19,500
slop, which came from comic
strip blogger,

1638
01:33:20,640 --> 01:33:23,600
John C Dvorak: creative, quite
good, quite good, quite a good

1639
01:33:23,600 --> 01:33:24,500
piece. Yes,

1640
01:33:24,500 --> 01:33:28,580
Adam Curry: well, give it, you
know, give it to mid journey or

1641
01:33:28,580 --> 01:33:33,200
wherever, whatever. AI system,
computer generated imagery

1642
01:33:33,200 --> 01:33:36,980
system, did this. It was a
little computer lady with a bowl

1643
01:33:36,980 --> 01:33:39,440
of AI slop. It was boom,

1644
01:33:40,820 --> 01:33:42,940
John C Dvorak: deep dive, yeah,
and it was slopping all over the

1645
01:33:42,940 --> 01:33:44,500
place. It was green goo.

1646
01:33:44,500 --> 01:33:45,700
Adam Curry: Yeah, it was good.

1647
01:33:46,420 --> 01:33:49,300
John C Dvorak: She's a robot,
yeah, it was, it was a, it was a

1648
01:33:50,200 --> 01:33:54,040
compositions, dynamite did a
terrific job. Yes,

1649
01:33:54,520 --> 01:33:58,120
Adam Curry: we almost went with
Ukraine. Loves bombs by Nico

1650
01:33:58,120 --> 01:34:02,880
Sime, which we, actually liked
it better, just for the

1651
01:34:02,880 --> 01:34:08,940
dynamicness of the of the image,
which is a Ukrainian flag in a

1652
01:34:08,940 --> 01:34:12,240
heart shape, holding a bomb with
a cute little smile on his face.

1653
01:34:12,240 --> 01:34:17,640
But we immediately took, uh,
took issue with the Korean

1654
01:34:17,640 --> 01:34:22,220
Dvorak being almost unreadable.
It was unreadable. Very small.

1655
01:34:24,920 --> 01:34:27,740
John C Dvorak: He had jacked
that up to, well, it looks like

1656
01:34:27,740 --> 01:34:31,700
it's about, at least on this
little image, it's probably 14

1657
01:34:31,700 --> 01:34:35,600
points, maybe, if he was jacked
it up to, like 4050, points. So

1658
01:34:35,600 --> 01:34:38,480
it was across the bottom, yeah.
Very probably would have won.

1659
01:34:38,840 --> 01:34:43,420
Unknown: Very small. We

1660
01:34:44,980 --> 01:34:47,980
Adam Curry: you kind of liked
Darren O'Neill's curry on Dvorak

1661
01:34:47,980 --> 01:34:52,300
2028 but you said it's a
violation because the name

1662
01:34:52,300 --> 01:34:56,500
Dvorak was much bigger than the
name curry. It was a violation,

1663
01:34:56,500 --> 01:35:02,700
which is a violation, violation,
um. Um, I, I liked the comic

1664
01:35:02,700 --> 01:35:05,820
strip bloggers, AI, the snake
eating its own tail, but you

1665
01:35:05,820 --> 01:35:09,720
didn't even see it. You didn't
see that. It was a snake eating

1666
01:35:09,720 --> 01:35:11,280
its own tail. So I

1667
01:35:11,280 --> 01:35:13,380
John C Dvorak: just saw a
circle, yeah, yeah. When you

1668
01:35:13,380 --> 01:35:18,360
pointed it out, I saw it, yeah.
But that's also had an AI eating

1669
01:35:18,360 --> 01:35:22,400
itself with a kind of a serpent
trying, but never got to it

1670
01:35:22,400 --> 01:35:25,040
wasn't, wasn't it? So that, no,
that wasn't gonna happen.

1671
01:35:25,760 --> 01:35:28,160
Adam Curry: And I think those
were the main ones that we

1672
01:35:28,160 --> 01:35:32,180
considered. Lots of people threw
up some other AI based stuff.

1673
01:35:32,180 --> 01:35:38,660
But of note was rocket boy, who
put two dorky nerds with

1674
01:35:38,660 --> 01:35:43,060
microphones and then curry
Dvorak on drum like, is that AI

1675
01:35:43,120 --> 01:35:45,160
us or something? What was that
all about?

1676
01:35:45,400 --> 01:35:48,520
John C Dvorak: I those are very,
as baffled as you. Very

1677
01:35:48,520 --> 01:35:52,180
Adam Curry: strange, very
strange choice he made there.

1678
01:35:52,180 --> 01:35:52,660
Well, I mean,

1679
01:35:52,660 --> 01:35:55,600
John C Dvorak: it's like, when
you see it you asked, have to

1680
01:35:55,600 --> 01:36:01,260
ask yourself Self, why did he
even submit it? Yeah, and

1681
01:36:01,260 --> 01:36:04,260
there's two microphones, one's a
big and they're not hooked to

1682
01:36:04,260 --> 01:36:06,720
anything. It's just like, it's a
bad AI.

1683
01:36:11,100 --> 01:36:11,820
Unknown: All right,

1684
01:36:13,680 --> 01:36:17,400
Adam Curry: that's our time and
talent. Thank you very much,

1685
01:36:17,760 --> 01:36:21,320
producers. We appreciate the
treasure that people send in

1686
01:36:22,460 --> 01:36:25,400
treasure can be any amount,
whenever you feel like it,

1687
01:36:25,400 --> 01:36:29,840
whenever you feel like you've
received value from the show you

1688
01:36:29,840 --> 01:36:33,020
send it back to us in the amount
that equals that value to you.

1689
01:36:33,860 --> 01:36:36,860
You can do a sustaining
donation, which is any amount,

1690
01:36:36,860 --> 01:36:40,540
any frequency, anything we
accept it all we do. Like to

1691
01:36:40,540 --> 01:36:43,780
highlight our executive and
Associate Executive producers.

1692
01:36:43,780 --> 01:36:47,020
You're an Associate Executive
Producer, if you support an

1693
01:36:47,020 --> 01:36:50,740
episode with $200 or above, and
we read your note. $300 and

1694
01:36:50,740 --> 01:36:53,140
above, you're an executive
producer and we read your note.

1695
01:36:53,140 --> 01:36:56,260
And these are not just just
titles that we just throw out

1696
01:36:56,260 --> 01:36:59,680
there. They are actual titles
you can use anywhere. Titles are

1697
01:36:59,680 --> 01:37:02,040
recognized in Hollywood, just
like we were talking earlier,

1698
01:37:02,340 --> 01:37:06,300
you know, show runners, etc,
executive producers. This is how

1699
01:37:06,300 --> 01:37:10,980
it works. And you could even
open up an IMDB account. There

1700
01:37:11,460 --> 01:37:14,880
are over 1000 no agenda
executive and Associate

1701
01:37:14,880 --> 01:37:19,800
Executive producers, and we kick
it off. I you know, you may

1702
01:37:19,800 --> 01:37:24,740
think I'm no good at my
interviews. You may have nobody

1703
01:37:24,740 --> 01:37:28,280
said that. You may have notes
for me. I've got a note. Got a

1704
01:37:28,280 --> 01:37:28,520
note

1705
01:37:29,780 --> 01:37:32,540
John C Dvorak: trying to improve
things. I got a note. No, no,

1706
01:37:32,540 --> 01:37:36,020
you take you take offense.
That's fine, not taking offense.

1707
01:37:36,020 --> 01:37:42,760
Adam the lesbian, what? Nothing.
Adam the lesbian, yeah, you just

1708
01:37:42,760 --> 01:37:45,460
some people get the gag, hmm,

1709
01:37:45,760 --> 01:37:48,760
Adam Curry: okay, well, the
troll room is just doing

1710
01:37:48,760 --> 01:37:53,500
question marks. Like, what is he
talking about anyway? Um, here's

1711
01:37:53,500 --> 01:37:57,700
my friend, the oil baron, who
has been, uh, discussed on this

1712
01:37:57,700 --> 01:38:02,160
show with, uh, he's definitely
give us some time and talent in

1713
01:38:02,220 --> 01:38:05,940
driftwood. Driftwood is that, I
think that's where Jason

1714
01:38:05,940 --> 01:38:07,800
Calacanis just bought his ranch.

1715
01:38:08,760 --> 01:38:11,460
John C Dvorak: Is there a lake
or an ocean around there where

1716
01:38:11,460 --> 01:38:12,960
there's driftwood, where

1717
01:38:12,960 --> 01:38:16,920
Adam Curry: they used to be,
long time ago, long, long time

1718
01:38:16,920 --> 01:38:22,400
ago, and the oil baron comes in
with $1,000 and just says from

1719
01:38:22,400 --> 01:38:27,260
the oil baron, and I could not
be happier. Thank you very much,

1720
01:38:27,320 --> 01:38:32,120
oil baron. And he hasn't. He
didn't ask for a knighting or a

1721
01:38:32,960 --> 01:38:37,700
or any type of title, but I will
ping him after the show and ask

1722
01:38:37,700 --> 01:38:38,000
him what

1723
01:38:38,300 --> 01:38:40,160
John C Dvorak: he wants. He
wants to be for a Commodore.

1724
01:38:40,160 --> 01:38:42,400
Give me always a certificate.
Yeah,

1725
01:38:42,760 --> 01:38:46,840
Adam Curry: yes, he should be a
Commodore oil baron. Commodore

1726
01:38:46,900 --> 01:38:51,220
Commodore the oil baron. We'll
get the information. And thank

1727
01:38:51,220 --> 01:38:55,360
you very much, brother, that's
my my buddy, Paul the oil baron.

1728
01:38:55,720 --> 01:38:56,980
A cool 1000 Jason

1729
01:38:56,980 --> 01:38:58,660
John C Dvorak: actually did move
there, huh? Oh,

1730
01:38:58,660 --> 01:38:59,860
Unknown: yeah, yeah.

1731
01:39:01,300 --> 01:39:04,620
Adam Curry: This would be a
interesting and another friend I

1732
01:39:04,620 --> 01:39:07,560
brought in, who supports,
where's your friends supporting?

1733
01:39:07,680 --> 01:39:08,820
Where's the lib Joe's

1734
01:39:09,660 --> 01:39:15,240
John C Dvorak: lib Joe's on
moving to Texas. Dennis Harrison

1735
01:39:15,240 --> 01:39:21,980
is up. He's in Beaumont,
Mississippi, and he wants to be

1736
01:39:21,980 --> 01:39:25,820
Commodore Harrison jingles. L
Sharpton, special jobs, jobs,

1737
01:39:25,820 --> 01:39:28,820
jobs, thank you for your value.
Love it. Knight. Name, sir. He

1738
01:39:28,820 --> 01:39:31,880
wants to be a knight. I guess
he's gotten to that point. And

1739
01:39:31,880 --> 01:39:36,080
Sir Harrison of the rednecks,
table request, wagyu, rib eye,

1740
01:39:36,080 --> 01:39:42,640
shabu, shabu with Riman noodles
and ASAHI SUPER DRY beer for

1741
01:39:42,640 --> 01:39:46,360
your information. Roseanne Barr
at the Tucker event in Dallas

1742
01:39:46,360 --> 01:39:52,480
was ridiculously over the top.
Okay, lol, he says, kind

1743
01:39:52,480 --> 01:39:54,340
regards. Dennis, yo,

1744
01:39:54,400 --> 01:39:59,260
Unknown: there's no real
conflict. Jobs, jobs, jobs and

1745
01:39:59,260 --> 01:40:01,440
jobs. Let's vote for jobs.

1746
01:40:03,360 --> 01:40:09,720
Adam Curry: Karma. All right, we
move on to Sir eight bit Ben

1747
01:40:10,020 --> 01:40:15,540
from Evansville, Indiana, 512,
33 let's see what he has to say.

1748
01:40:15,540 --> 01:40:17,760
Sir eight bit Ben here would
like to claim the title of

1749
01:40:17,760 --> 01:40:21,680
Commodore VIC 20 with this V for
V donation. I would also ask the

1750
01:40:21,680 --> 01:40:24,860
peerage committee if I could
claim my overdue Baron title

1751
01:40:25,280 --> 01:40:28,580
accounting an eight bit Baron
Tesla license plate pick

1752
01:40:28,580 --> 01:40:33,620
attached. I didn't see the
picture. Must be cool. Does he

1753
01:40:33,620 --> 01:40:36,380
say sir eight bit Ben on his
license plate?

1754
01:40:37,520 --> 01:40:39,620
John C Dvorak: I don't have it.
I would like to

1755
01:40:39,620 --> 01:40:42,160
Adam Curry: claim the territory
of Southern Indiana. If the

1756
01:40:42,160 --> 01:40:45,940
committee approves, I see no
issue. By the way. Got to Baron

1757
01:40:45,940 --> 01:40:51,340
with my monthly chip donation of
6502 kindly asking other retro

1758
01:40:51,340 --> 01:40:54,040
geeks to join in on that
donation. Good one,

1759
01:40:54,520 --> 01:40:57,820
John C Dvorak: yes, 6502 it's
the original Apple two chip.

1760
01:40:57,880 --> 01:40:59,320
Yes. Indeed.

1761
01:41:00,820 --> 01:41:03,060
Adam Curry: For those who don't
know, the Commodore VIC 20 was a

1762
01:41:03,060 --> 01:41:06,060
very important computer for its
time, not only being promoted by

1763
01:41:06,060 --> 01:41:09,180
William Shatner, it was one of
the first computers used by many

1764
01:41:09,180 --> 01:41:13,860
famous tech figures like Linus,
Torvalds, uh, SART Satoru,

1765
01:41:13,920 --> 01:41:18,600
Iwata, who was that? Satoru?
Iwata, I have no idea. John

1766
01:41:18,600 --> 01:41:19,860
Carmack, who was that?

1767
01:41:20,640 --> 01:41:22,820
John C Dvorak: I know who that
is, but I can't think of it.

1768
01:41:22,880 --> 01:41:23,360
Elon

1769
01:41:23,360 --> 01:41:24,020
Adam Curry: Musk,

1770
01:41:24,140 --> 01:41:25,340
John C Dvorak: I doubt it, or

1771
01:41:25,340 --> 01:41:29,240
Adam Curry: himself, sir Abby
Ben and the podfather, Adam

1772
01:41:29,240 --> 01:41:31,700
curry, and he sent me a clip.
Did

1773
01:41:31,700 --> 01:41:34,340
John C Dvorak: you wait a stop
you? Your first computer was a

1774
01:41:34,340 --> 01:41:35,180
VIC 20? No,

1775
01:41:35,240 --> 01:41:37,880
Adam Curry: my first computer
was the Sinclair ZX 80.

1776
01:41:39,740 --> 01:41:41,740
John C Dvorak: Well, that's even
nerdier. And

1777
01:41:41,740 --> 01:41:45,940
Adam Curry: then my second
computer was the Vic 20, which

1778
01:41:46,000 --> 01:41:49,720
was not called the Vic 20. It
came from Germany. In Germany,

1779
01:41:49,720 --> 01:41:53,740
they called it something else. I
forget what it was the Vic 20,

1780
01:41:53,800 --> 01:41:56,560
because vicin means it's the F
word in

1781
01:41:57,640 --> 01:42:00,900
John C Dvorak: German, vicin
vicinity, okay?

1782
01:42:01,800 --> 01:42:05,820
Adam Curry: And he said, here's
the clip from show number 15 of

1783
01:42:05,820 --> 01:42:08,700
the no agenda show. I didn't,
didn't have a lot of dough

1784
01:42:08,700 --> 01:42:11,700
around. And then, of course, the
Vic 20, the Commodore VIC 20,

1785
01:42:11,700 --> 01:42:16,500
the predecessor to the Commodore
64 that was really my, my first

1786
01:42:16,620 --> 01:42:19,740
real computer that I hacked
around with. I built a I built

1787
01:42:19,740 --> 01:42:24,200
my own acoustic modem to use
with it. And we figured out they

1788
01:42:24,200 --> 01:42:27,140
had these ROM cartridges that
you could plug in with games.

1789
01:42:27,620 --> 01:42:30,860
And we figured out how to copy
the games from rom onto

1790
01:42:30,920 --> 01:42:33,620
cassettes, and we would sell
those. It was, it was a lot of

1791
01:42:33,620 --> 01:42:36,500
fun. There you go. How about how
about that sound? Huh? A

1792
01:42:38,240 --> 01:42:41,320
John C Dvorak: couple of things.
Yes, for one thing, and I'll

1793
01:42:41,320 --> 01:42:45,820
remember that, but I will say
that, and I should, because I

1794
01:42:45,820 --> 01:42:48,520
should have said something about
you built your own acoustic

1795
01:42:48,520 --> 01:42:49,720
modem, really, I

1796
01:42:49,720 --> 01:42:50,440
Adam Curry: sure did

1797
01:42:51,520 --> 01:42:53,260
John C Dvorak: with a couple of
speakers. No,

1798
01:42:53,260 --> 01:42:55,780
Adam Curry: it took a telephone
microphone. No, took, took an

1799
01:42:55,780 --> 01:43:00,360
existing telephone horn, and
pulled out the elements and then

1800
01:43:00,360 --> 01:43:05,760
put them in two little cardboard
boxes, and then had a very small

1801
01:43:05,760 --> 01:43:10,800
PC board that we connected to
the back of the visual me and my

1802
01:43:10,800 --> 01:43:15,420
mouse in your pocket. My buddy
dick radamachers And we both

1803
01:43:15,420 --> 01:43:17,760
worked at the electronic store
so we could steal all the

1804
01:43:17,760 --> 01:43:18,660
components.

1805
01:43:20,820 --> 01:43:23,660
John C Dvorak: So you're a
Larson, yes, on Saturday, on

1806
01:43:23,660 --> 01:43:27,620
Saturdays, that's what happened
to all the pencils over there at

1807
01:43:27,620 --> 01:43:29,300
me. Video, it

1808
01:43:29,300 --> 01:43:33,140
Adam Curry: worked at
approximately 75 baud, if I

1809
01:43:33,140 --> 01:43:37,580
recall. Yeah, sounds about
right. So I could punch a key,

1810
01:43:37,880 --> 01:43:41,200
and then that key would show up
on his screen. Finally, he says,

1811
01:43:41,200 --> 01:43:44,020
Can I get some jobs karma? After
being a dude named Ben and

1812
01:43:44,020 --> 01:43:47,620
leader of Ben for over 21 years,
I was recently let go. If anyone

1813
01:43:47,620 --> 01:43:50,500
has an interesting problem to
solve and is looking for an IT

1814
01:43:50,500 --> 01:43:52,900
leader that's not afraid of
change, has decades of

1815
01:43:52,900 --> 01:43:55,480
infrastructure experience and
actually understands how

1816
01:43:55,480 --> 01:43:59,080
computers work. I can be reached
at eight bit. Dot FYI, thank

1817
01:43:59,080 --> 01:44:03,000
you. Craig Kohler, aka sir AP
Ben Barron of Southern Indiana,

1818
01:44:03,000 --> 01:44:07,620
to be in a few moments. And
thank you very much. And here is

1819
01:44:07,620 --> 01:44:10,140
your jobs karma. Hope it works
out for you, brother, jobs,

1820
01:44:10,320 --> 01:44:16,800
Unknown: jobs, jobs and jobs.
Let's vote for jobs karma,

1821
01:44:19,620 --> 01:44:24,920
John C Dvorak: sir becoming
heroic in sharerville, Indiana,

1822
01:44:25,100 --> 01:44:29,360
500 and all he says is he wants
to be, sir, becoming heroic

1823
01:44:29,360 --> 01:44:34,280
commodore of the unsinkable, two
beautiful it's, we

1824
01:44:34,280 --> 01:44:37,640
Adam Curry: shall make it so
anonymous Vista California, $500

1825
01:44:38,240 --> 01:44:40,720
in the morning. Gentlemen, I've
been wanting to donate for some

1826
01:44:40,720 --> 01:44:43,600
time, and between a recent
promotion and the prospect of a

1827
01:44:43,600 --> 01:44:46,780
Commodore title, I couldn't
justify being a douchebag any

1828
01:44:46,780 --> 01:44:48,340
longer. Please dedoosh. Me,

1829
01:44:49,780 --> 01:44:52,360
Unknown: you've been deduced. I
would

1830
01:44:52,360 --> 01:44:55,000
Adam Curry: like to be known as
Commodore Swizzle of the tiki

1831
01:44:55,000 --> 01:44:58,360
realms. Thank you both for all
you do no karma and no jingles

1832
01:44:58,360 --> 01:44:59,920
and thank you very much.
Anonymous.

1833
01:45:01,740 --> 01:45:07,800
John C Dvorak: Sir RJ of grand
point in Grand point or point,

1834
01:45:08,160 --> 01:45:12,420
Manitoba, California,
California, Canada. Manitoba,

1835
01:45:12,780 --> 01:45:16,440
California. It should be a man.
This should be this $500

1836
01:45:16,980 --> 01:45:22,280
donation equals $702.60
Canadians. Thanks. Justin

1837
01:45:22,280 --> 01:45:28,220
Trudeau, I missed my normal
3333, donation for my birthday

1838
01:45:28,220 --> 01:45:31,340
in July. As I've been working on
my own exit strategy, which is

1839
01:45:31,340 --> 01:45:37,700
now complete, between the carbon
tax, GST, PST, labor tax,

1840
01:45:37,700 --> 01:45:41,860
business tax, property tax, that
are all charged here in Canada,

1841
01:45:42,280 --> 01:45:45,880
I've decided that owning an
independent business isn't worth

1842
01:45:45,880 --> 01:45:50,260
all the bullshit anymore. Oh,
man. So at 56 I officially

1843
01:45:50,260 --> 01:45:53,140
joined the retired community,
and it's time to enjoy life.

1844
01:45:53,140 --> 01:45:53,440
Whoa.

1845
01:45:53,440 --> 01:45:55,540
Adam Curry: What's he gonna do?
Putter in the lawn.

1846
01:45:55,780 --> 01:45:58,120
John C Dvorak: He's gonna be
puttering in the backyard.

1847
01:45:59,260 --> 01:46:02,160
Adam Curry: Dude, there's much
more to do. 56 you're a baby.

1848
01:46:02,160 --> 01:46:04,440
You're just getting started.
He's

1849
01:46:04,440 --> 01:46:07,740
John C Dvorak: younger than
Adam. Yeah, I've bumped up my

1850
01:46:07,740 --> 01:46:13,800
normal donation amount for late
fees. And as a bonus, I get the

1851
01:46:13,800 --> 01:46:17,580
Commodore certificate as usual
for my birthday. Can you play

1852
01:46:17,580 --> 01:46:22,100
the OG Sharpton clip? Sir RJ of
grand point tonight

1853
01:46:22,340 --> 01:46:26,960
Unknown: is the measure of
whether the country begins in

1854
01:46:26,960 --> 01:46:32,120
the state of Wisconsin a
national drive to push back, or

1855
01:46:32,120 --> 01:46:37,160
whether we have more to go to
build a movement of resistance.

1856
01:46:37,340 --> 01:46:45,700
But resist we much, we must, and
we will much about that be

1857
01:46:45,700 --> 01:46:48,460
committed to classic that

1858
01:46:48,460 --> 01:46:50,440
is one of my favorites.

1859
01:46:50,500 --> 01:46:52,780
John C Dvorak: Yes, the classic.
That's what started us off on

1860
01:46:52,780 --> 01:46:54,400
the on finding Sharpton stuff.

1861
01:46:54,700 --> 01:46:58,240
Adam Curry: He's He's a gem.
He's a gem deserves every penny,

1862
01:46:58,240 --> 01:47:00,660
every penny. Yeah, you're always
complaining about how much he

1863
01:47:00,660 --> 01:47:04,740
makes every penny he deserves.
We have done well by him. He's

1864
01:47:04,740 --> 01:47:08,760
done well by us. Cory Baker is
in Fort Myers flyer Florida,

1865
01:47:08,760 --> 01:47:12,720
$500 and he says, should be
enough for a doubleting, double

1866
01:47:12,720 --> 01:47:17,520
knighting. Accounting will
follow. And we did not receive

1867
01:47:17,520 --> 01:47:21,200
his email from Cory Baker, I
looked, I'm sure you looked. I'm

1868
01:47:21,200 --> 01:47:23,300
John C Dvorak: looking now, as a
matter of fact, and I will say

1869
01:47:23,300 --> 01:47:26,780
this, so we got a Corey Baker
from May 24 about the newsletter

1870
01:47:26,780 --> 01:47:30,980
fiasco. We got a Cory Baker from
another newsletter fail. I guess

1871
01:47:30,980 --> 01:47:34,460
he keeps track of this in
October of last year. Nothing

1872
01:47:34,460 --> 01:47:35,120
since,

1873
01:47:35,720 --> 01:47:38,360
Adam Curry: okay, Corey Baker,
so we will keep it in abeyance

1874
01:47:38,360 --> 01:47:42,280
for you, and when you are
clearly you can email us, so

1875
01:47:42,280 --> 01:47:44,380
when it shows up, we'll, we'll
take care of

1876
01:47:45,940 --> 01:47:51,160
John C Dvorak: you indeed.
Onward with Sir Schwartz in

1877
01:47:51,160 --> 01:47:56,680
Langa, Deutsch, Denmark. Ah,
he's in Langa. Denmark, 500 from

1878
01:47:56,680 --> 01:48:02,760
Sir Schwartz, now commodore of
Butland. Denmark. E o n,

1879
01:48:04,920 --> 01:48:05,580
Unknown: that's it.

1880
01:48:06,480 --> 01:48:09,060
John C Dvorak: Perfect. The
comment, all right. Steven

1881
01:48:09,180 --> 01:48:10,320
utland, Stephen

1882
01:48:10,320 --> 01:48:14,460
Adam Curry: crummy, El Cajon. Am
I saying that right? Yep. El

1883
01:48:14,460 --> 01:48:18,540
Cajon. El Cajon, California, 500
this donation not only makes me

1884
01:48:18,540 --> 01:48:21,740
a Commodore, but puts me over
the threshold for knighting. Dub

1885
01:48:21,740 --> 01:48:26,780
me sir, Steve, protector of the
ERISA. ERISA, ERISA, there we

1886
01:48:26,780 --> 01:48:30,320
go. ERISA, E R, i, s, a, oh,
it's the law that governs

1887
01:48:30,320 --> 01:48:32,600
pension funds, the
administration of which is my

1888
01:48:32,600 --> 01:48:37,280
profession. ERISA, beef
enchiladas and rocks margaritas

1889
01:48:37,280 --> 01:48:40,300
at the round table, please. And
how about an F the EU from that

1890
01:48:40,300 --> 01:48:41,560
demon Vicky Newland,

1891
01:48:46,960 --> 01:48:49,300
there you go. Thank you very
much. See the roundtable

1892
01:48:49,300 --> 01:48:51,340
John C Dvorak: you know,
hearkening back on that note we

1893
01:48:51,340 --> 01:48:55,120
got from the guy bitching about
our use of that character to

1894
01:48:55,120 --> 01:49:00,300
determine the 1701, issue, he
goes on about how it should be

1895
01:49:00,300 --> 01:49:03,360
red flagged and this, and that
red flag actually knowing,

1896
01:49:03,420 --> 01:49:06,660
knowing all that about the guy
was

1897
01:49:06,660 --> 01:49:09,000
Adam Curry: helpful, was good,
it was

1898
01:49:09,060 --> 01:49:12,660
John C Dvorak: it hell, because
we we play Vicky Newland clips,

1899
01:49:12,660 --> 01:49:17,400
because she does have pertinent
information, and some of it's

1900
01:49:17,400 --> 01:49:20,960
coded, and some of it's
necessary messaging, and it's

1901
01:49:20,960 --> 01:49:23,540
important to play this stuff,
yes,

1902
01:49:24,140 --> 01:49:26,780
Adam Curry: and that's what I
said, is, even though it was

1903
01:49:26,780 --> 01:49:31,760
meant as a You guys suck type
email, it really helped me. I

1904
01:49:31,760 --> 01:49:33,260
was like, Oh, this makes sense,

1905
01:49:33,380 --> 01:49:36,260
John C Dvorak: yes, because it
got you into a rabbit hole. Yes,

1906
01:49:36,980 --> 01:49:39,560
that's a helping anybody. Yeah,
it

1907
01:49:39,560 --> 01:49:42,040
Adam Curry: was helping. We
figured it out. We figured out.

1908
01:49:42,040 --> 01:49:45,040
Iran, hello, oh, I'm not
supposed to say that. People are

1909
01:49:45,040 --> 01:49:46,420
saying I say hello too much.

1910
01:49:47,800 --> 01:49:50,440
John C Dvorak: Oh, are you? Are
you saying hello too much? Well,

1911
01:49:50,440 --> 01:49:52,480
Adam Curry: I went to the
transcript. I said it three

1912
01:49:52,480 --> 01:49:56,320
times in the last show, which I
think is too much. Hello, hello.

1913
01:49:56,380 --> 01:49:57,880
No So hello. Who

1914
01:49:57,880 --> 01:50:01,920
John C Dvorak: says that more
than you do? Mark Levin, Oh,

1915
01:50:02,580 --> 01:50:04,500
Hello America. No,

1916
01:50:04,500 --> 01:50:07,080
Adam Curry: no. It's, it's not
just hello as in a greeting, but

1917
01:50:07,080 --> 01:50:08,100
it's like, hello,

1918
01:50:08,220 --> 01:50:09,120
Unknown: hello,

1919
01:50:09,180 --> 01:50:11,520
Adam Curry: you know, do you not
get it yet? It's no good. I'm,

1920
01:50:11,760 --> 01:50:12,840
what are we drinking?

1921
01:50:13,080 --> 01:50:16,320
John C Dvorak: No, no. He's, oh,
this is a Topo Chico. Oh no,

1922
01:50:16,740 --> 01:50:20,960
from going back to the classics.
Yes, No. He says it the same way

1923
01:50:20,960 --> 01:50:22,880
you're you know, he says it
that. He doesn't say it as a

1924
01:50:22,880 --> 01:50:26,300
greeting. He does exactly the
same way you do. We're in the

1925
01:50:26,300 --> 01:50:28,700
middle of some say hello, so you
don't know it. Well,

1926
01:50:28,700 --> 01:50:30,800
Adam Curry: that's more reason
for me not to do it.

1927
01:50:33,740 --> 01:50:37,640
John C Dvorak: No reason for Sir
Mike of ax head watch, oh, in

1928
01:50:37,640 --> 01:50:42,280
Clinton Township, Michigan, the
wooden watch guy, yeah, 333,

1929
01:50:43,060 --> 01:50:46,660
yes. Three, three. Those watches
are great, by the way, and he's

1930
01:50:46,660 --> 01:50:50,260
apparently back in business.
Three, three, 3.33. Dear John

1931
01:50:50,260 --> 01:50:53,320
and Adam, I've been quite a time
since I donated. I Since I

1932
01:50:53,320 --> 01:50:56,620
haven't had the funds. Oh, due
to some bad deals and bad luck,

1933
01:50:56,620 --> 01:51:01,860
I've been unable to keep afford
to keep ax head watch dot shop.

1934
01:51:03,000 --> 01:51:07,560
Ax head, watch dot shop open. I
have not been able to get back

1935
01:51:07,560 --> 01:51:10,920
to being a dude named Ben in the
mortgage industry since peak

1936
01:51:10,920 --> 01:51:13,380
covid. After a year of
unemployment, I became a

1937
01:51:13,380 --> 01:51:18,420
forklift certified earlier this
summer, which is, I've driven

1938
01:51:18,420 --> 01:51:19,620
forklift, sir, it's

1939
01:51:19,620 --> 01:51:21,620
Adam Curry: fun. They're fun to
drive,

1940
01:51:21,680 --> 01:51:24,500
John C Dvorak: they're fun to
drive. And then back to steady

1941
01:51:24,500 --> 01:51:26,540
employment and income. I didn't
know you had to have a

1942
01:51:26,540 --> 01:51:30,200
certificate. I never did. I have
also been once again, now,

1943
01:51:30,320 --> 01:51:33,020
because I wasn't a professional,
I drove a fork. That doesn't

1944
01:51:33,020 --> 01:51:33,740
mean I was no

1945
01:51:33,740 --> 01:51:36,200
Adam Curry: it's probably a
violation of all kinds of labor

1946
01:51:36,200 --> 01:51:37,520
laws that you drove it.

1947
01:51:38,840 --> 01:51:41,260
John C Dvorak: I have also been,
once again, nominated for the

1948
01:51:41,260 --> 01:51:46,180
United States Congress on mi 10,
Michigan district 10. Yeah,

1949
01:51:46,180 --> 01:51:51,040
Michigan 10. And I've I'm sorry
at Michigan 10. Now I can afford

1950
01:51:51,040 --> 01:51:55,540
to open the online store back
up. Acced Watch, dot shop. I'd

1951
01:51:55,540 --> 01:51:58,720
like to encourage promo code
ITM, and it's gone from a 20%

1952
01:51:59,080 --> 01:52:04,020
discount to 33% off all wooden
watches. Tax head watch. Dot

1953
01:52:04,020 --> 01:52:07,860
shop for my going out of
business sale. So he's going to

1954
01:52:07,920 --> 01:52:10,920
get rid of all his watches.
These watches, yeah, we both

1955
01:52:10,920 --> 01:52:14,460
have one. You both have one.
They're they're quite unique and

1956
01:52:14,520 --> 01:52:16,800
Adam Curry: and if the
apocalypse comes, you can use it

1957
01:52:16,800 --> 01:52:18,420
as a handy fire starter.

1958
01:52:20,580 --> 01:52:22,760
John C Dvorak: Yeah, I never
thought of that. I do believe he

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01:52:22,760 --> 01:52:26,240
says, this brings me to Baron. I
would like to be sir Mike of the

1960
01:52:26,240 --> 01:52:32,240
Fairfax, liberator of Michigan,
10 Baron of Lichtenstein. Please

1961
01:52:32,240 --> 01:52:36,440
provide me with jobs karma for
this election, an upcoming

1962
01:52:36,440 --> 01:52:39,140
business, and some sort of
health karma for my smoking hot

1963
01:52:39,140 --> 01:52:43,780
wife, Dame Kelly, who is back in
the hospital unfortunately for a

1964
01:52:43,780 --> 01:52:47,920
few days. Sir Mike of watch X,
watch head, liberator of

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01:52:47,920 --> 01:52:49,240
Michigan's 10th district.

1966
01:52:49,360 --> 01:52:51,880
Adam Curry: All right for Dame
Kelly, we'll add in a goat.

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01:52:51,880 --> 01:52:52,660
Jobs,

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01:52:52,840 --> 01:53:00,540
Unknown: jobs, jobs and jobs.
Let's vote for jobs. Karma.

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01:53:03,600 --> 01:53:07,860
Adam Curry: Sir Jeremy chumpati
is a Associate Executive

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01:53:07,860 --> 01:53:10,320
Producer today with a run on
number two, three, 4.56,

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01:53:11,100 --> 01:53:15,360
Oakville, Ontario. ITM
gentlemen. It's my 62nd

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01:53:15,720 --> 01:53:18,420
birthday. It falls on a podcast
day. It would be remiss of me

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01:53:18,420 --> 01:53:21,260
not to donate. Thank you for
your courage, sir Jeremy

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01:53:21,260 --> 01:53:25,580
chimfatti Baronet, fatty
Oakville, Ontario, candinavia.

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01:53:25,580 --> 01:53:26,720
All right, you're on the list.

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01:53:28,340 --> 01:53:30,740
John C Dvorak: I'll tell you, if
you like to burp a lot, this

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01:53:31,880 --> 01:53:35,120
Adam Curry: way to go, it'll do
it. It'll do it. I know it's

1978
01:53:35,120 --> 01:53:36,380
very, very bubbly.

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01:53:37,400 --> 01:53:41,860
John C Dvorak: Anonymous in will
Williston, North Dakota, 210,

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01:53:42,160 --> 01:53:46,660
60. A little over a year ago, I
made an investment over $10,000

1981
01:53:47,500 --> 01:53:50,200
as someone who was supposed to
mentor me with starting a

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01:53:50,200 --> 01:53:53,740
business without going into
detail, it's obviously it's run

1983
01:53:53,740 --> 01:53:59,380
off with all my money. Oh no,
that sucks. It's within the

1984
01:53:59,380 --> 01:54:02,940
limits to file in small claims
court, which I could do myself,

1985
01:54:02,940 --> 01:54:05,400
but I'm really looking for
someone in the community to help

1986
01:54:05,400 --> 01:54:09,960
me out with with with it, if
they have some legal expertise,

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01:54:09,960 --> 01:54:13,140
hopefully for free, small
claims. You know, I

1988
01:54:13,140 --> 01:54:16,440
Adam Curry: thought Small Claims
had a limit of 5000 is as

1989
01:54:17,580 --> 01:54:19,620
John C Dvorak: on this it
depends on the jurisdiction.

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01:54:19,740 --> 01:54:23,420
Okay, in most states, I think it
is 5000 interesting, and it's

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01:54:23,420 --> 01:54:24,680
pretty easy to win. It

1992
01:54:24,680 --> 01:54:28,340
Adam Curry: is you just file it,
you're probably gonna win. Yeah,

1993
01:54:28,760 --> 01:54:31,580
John C Dvorak: I can do all the
legwork with legwork, but advice

1994
01:54:31,580 --> 01:54:34,580
concerning the red tape and
pitfalls would help me out. It's

1995
01:54:34,580 --> 01:54:37,640
not really that many. It would
really just come down to

1996
01:54:37,640 --> 01:54:41,440
exchanging some emails here and
there and just putting out and

1997
01:54:41,920 --> 01:54:48,040
just putting it out there. If
someone got the time, I if I get

1998
01:54:48,040 --> 01:54:52,300
my money back, I'm going to be a
big donator. Thanks to all you

1999
01:54:52,300 --> 01:54:56,140
do every one else, please donate
now. Okay, he's given us no

2000
01:54:56,140 --> 01:54:59,740
information, as he's anonymous.
Yeah, that's really helpful.

2001
01:54:59,740 --> 01:55:01,500
How. Is anyone supposed to help
you?

2002
01:55:03,240 --> 01:55:06,540
Adam Curry: Maybe Jay has his
information so you can email

2003
01:55:07,020 --> 01:55:11,340
notes at no agenda show.net, if
you think you can help him out.

2004
01:55:12,360 --> 01:55:16,080
John C Dvorak: Yeah, maybe that
might work and they just do

2005
01:55:16,080 --> 01:55:17,760
that. It won't hurt. And

2006
01:55:17,760 --> 01:55:19,740
Adam Curry: there's Eli the
coffee guy from bensonville,

2007
01:55:19,740 --> 01:55:22,400
Illinois. We are just about
rounding up our list here,

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01:55:22,400 --> 01:55:26,900
Associate Executive Producer at
two, oh 9.29, and Eli says

2009
01:55:26,900 --> 01:55:29,480
things on the national and world
stage continue to become more

2010
01:55:29,480 --> 01:55:32,120
interesting in the lead up to
the US election, one of my

2011
01:55:32,120 --> 01:55:36,260
customers, a grizzled Nam vet,
asked me the other day if I'm

2012
01:55:36,260 --> 01:55:39,740
stocked up on survival food for
potential turbulent times ahead.

2013
01:55:40,040 --> 01:55:43,060
I told him, I don't know if you
can ever have enough food, but I

2014
01:55:43,060 --> 01:55:46,240
was pretty sure I wouldn't run
out of coffee, whether it's

2015
01:55:46,240 --> 01:55:49,540
hurricanes, Hezbollah or
hackers. Make sure coffee is

2016
01:55:49,540 --> 01:55:54,100
part of your preparedness plan.
This is a great one visit

2017
01:55:54,100 --> 01:55:58,240
gigawatt Coffee roasters.com
stock up on coffee today. Use

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01:55:58,240 --> 01:56:02,100
code ITM 20 for 20% off your
order. Stay safe. Stay

2019
01:56:02,100 --> 01:56:06,540
caffeinated. Says Eli, the
coffee guy. Oh, and he has a

2020
01:56:06,540 --> 01:56:12,120
jingle here. What is, what is
BDSM, don't enslave me. Kamala,

2021
01:56:13,200 --> 01:56:15,360
I don't understand, but just

2022
01:56:15,360 --> 01:56:18,600
John C Dvorak: don't. It's just
that don't enslave me. Camel, as

2023
01:56:18,600 --> 01:56:18,660
a

2024
01:56:20,160 --> 01:56:21,060
Unknown: bondage, don't enslave

2025
01:56:22,260 --> 01:56:22,980
me. Camel,

2026
01:56:22,980 --> 01:56:26,420
Adam Curry: there you go.
Camela, yeah, racist, racist

2027
01:56:26,420 --> 01:56:28,220
kid, mispronouncing her name on
purpose.

2028
01:56:29,180 --> 01:56:32,480
John C Dvorak: Linda loupatkins
comes in from Lakewood,

2029
01:56:32,480 --> 01:56:36,140
Colorado, as usual, and
surprisingly enough, she asks

2030
01:56:36,260 --> 01:56:39,740
for jobs karma, and then she
says for a faster, more

2031
01:56:39,740 --> 01:56:43,660
effective job search. Visit
imagemakers. Inc.com, that's

2032
01:56:43,660 --> 01:56:47,860
imagemakers. Inc, with a K your
go to for executive resumes and

2033
01:56:47,860 --> 01:56:52,240
job search needs and work with
Linda Lou Duchess of jobs and

2034
01:56:52,240 --> 01:56:54,340
writer of resumes, jobs,

2035
01:56:54,520 --> 01:56:58,300
Unknown: jobs, jobs and jobs.
Let's

2036
01:57:00,400 --> 01:57:03,360
Adam Curry: vote for jobs. All
right, we rounded out with one

2037
01:57:03,360 --> 01:57:07,020
final donation. Associate
Executive Producer, $200 from

2038
01:57:07,020 --> 01:57:11,160
Stefan Anders in Munchen
Deutschland. Hello Deutschland.

2039
01:57:11,160 --> 01:57:14,940
Here's the Hoff. And he says,
Thank you from Munich Germany,

2040
01:57:14,940 --> 01:57:18,000
Stefan, Stefan, thank you, and
thank you to all of our

2041
01:57:18,000 --> 01:57:20,960
executive and Associate
Executive producers who have

2042
01:57:20,960 --> 01:57:24,800
helped us out here today is very
much appreciated. Of course, we

2043
01:57:24,800 --> 01:57:28,040
appreciate any treasure you can
send in our value for value,

2044
01:57:28,040 --> 01:57:31,760
model, time, talent, treasure,
any amount is okay with us. Just

2045
01:57:31,760 --> 01:57:35,120
send whatever value got out of
the show back to us, and we will

2046
01:57:35,120 --> 01:57:37,820
be very grateful. Thanks again
to these execs and associate

2047
01:57:37,820 --> 01:57:39,320
execs of Episode 1699,

2048
01:57:40,700 --> 01:57:45,040
Unknown: our formula is this, we
go out. We hit people in the

2049
01:57:45,040 --> 01:57:45,400
mouth. Shut

2050
01:57:57,220 --> 01:58:00,460
Adam Curry: up. No agenda
donations.com. No agenda

2051
01:58:00,460 --> 01:58:02,220
donations.com. You I

2052
01:58:04,500 --> 01:58:07,500
John C Dvorak: have a little
three clipper on election fraud.

2053
01:58:07,500 --> 01:58:11,640
That's kind of interesting. But
before we do that, I do have my

2054
01:58:12,840 --> 01:58:17,160
every show a I Kevin Gavin
Newsom

2055
01:58:18,300 --> 01:58:20,100
Adam Curry: to see if you can
get arrested

2056
01:58:21,060 --> 01:58:22,700
John C Dvorak: because you are
breaking legal break,

2057
01:58:22,700 --> 01:58:25,340
Adam Curry: breaking California
law, breaking the law.

2058
01:58:25,700 --> 01:58:32,060
John C Dvorak: Every clip is a
scofflaw. So here he is. I This

2059
01:58:32,060 --> 01:58:35,000
one came out about it two weeks
ago, and I missed it. This is a

2060
01:58:35,000 --> 01:58:38,000
news I didn't realize that
Newsom's endorsing Trump. Today.

2061
01:58:38,000 --> 01:58:38,120
I'm

2062
01:58:38,120 --> 01:58:40,160
Unknown: here to do something
that some may think or believe

2063
01:58:40,160 --> 01:58:43,480
is unheard of. Yes, the news
reports are correct. I Gavin

2064
01:58:43,480 --> 01:58:47,500
Newsom, am here to endorse none
other than Donald J Trump for

2065
01:58:47,500 --> 01:58:51,640
President of the United States.
Trump's got this knack for

2066
01:58:51,760 --> 01:58:54,640
making America the center of
attention, whether it's on

2067
01:58:54,640 --> 01:58:57,700
Twitter or on the global stage.
He's like that friend who always

2068
01:58:57,700 --> 01:59:00,360
has the best stories at dinner,
who wouldn't want that kind of

2069
01:59:00,360 --> 01:59:03,600
energy. But seriously, in this
endorsement, I see an

2070
01:59:03,600 --> 01:59:07,740
opportunity, an opportunity for
dialog, for understanding, for

2071
01:59:07,740 --> 01:59:11,340
maybe, just maybe, finding
common ground. Trump is hands

2072
01:59:11,340 --> 01:59:13,800
down, the best candidate in this
race. Because if there's one

2073
01:59:13,800 --> 01:59:16,560
thing I've learned in politics,
it's that sometimes you've got

2074
01:59:16,560 --> 01:59:19,380
to dance with the one who
brought you, or in this case,

2075
01:59:19,380 --> 01:59:22,820
the one who's brought the most
entertainment, Trump 2024

2076
01:59:24,920 --> 01:59:26,840
Adam Curry: it's pretty good.
It's pretty good. Now, did you

2077
01:59:26,840 --> 01:59:28,040
just find this? Or did you make

2078
01:59:28,100 --> 01:59:33,620
John C Dvorak: I actually
searched for it. The his, I

2079
01:59:33,620 --> 01:59:37,340
think, is, I think his on this
one, I think the speed and

2080
01:59:37,340 --> 01:59:40,900
cadence is a little faster than
it should be. Yes, it is. He

2081
01:59:40,900 --> 01:59:44,500
doesn't quite talk that fast,
but it's good, and I can see why

2082
01:59:44,500 --> 01:59:47,800
this, something like this would
would upset him before

2083
01:59:47,800 --> 01:59:51,640
Adam Curry: you move to the
election fraud. Just to wrap up

2084
01:59:51,640 --> 01:59:56,080
the AI, I'd like to play one
clip, because there have been

2085
01:59:56,080 --> 01:59:59,500
some developments that need
brief discussion amongst us.

2086
01:59:59,620 --> 02:00:02,820
Unknown: Open. AI, the world's
most valuable AI startup has

2087
02:00:02,820 --> 02:00:06,540
lost another chief executive,
Chief Technology Officer, Mira

2088
02:00:06,540 --> 02:00:10,020
Marathi, is one of more than 20
key staff who've departed this

2089
02:00:10,020 --> 02:00:13,860
year, leaving CEO Sam Altman
with just one of his fellow co

2090
02:00:13,860 --> 02:00:18,060
founders. Is it a real problem
or just growing pains? Let's ask

2091
02:00:18,060 --> 02:00:22,700
technology editor Peter O'Brien,
Peter open, AI, currently trying

2092
02:00:22,700 --> 02:00:26,300
to raise a lot of money. So
surely this can't look good for

2093
02:00:26,300 --> 02:00:27,140
investors. Hi,

2094
02:00:27,140 --> 02:00:30,380
Caris, well, you're right. Open,
AI, at the moment, they're

2095
02:00:30,380 --> 02:00:33,560
trying to get about six and a
half billion US dollars from

2096
02:00:33,560 --> 02:00:36,620
investors hoping to close that
round by the end of next week.

2097
02:00:36,680 --> 02:00:41,080
That would value them at 150
billion US dollars. I think

2098
02:00:41,140 --> 02:00:44,080
let's just start off by putting
that into context, because it's

2099
02:00:44,080 --> 02:00:47,560
a tall order. What they're
asking for that would almost

2100
02:00:47,560 --> 02:00:52,000
double their their value. It
would also put them just not too

2101
02:00:52,000 --> 02:00:54,820
far behind something like
SpaceX, which has launched about

2102
02:00:54,820 --> 02:01:00,960
95 rockets into space this year.
And, you know, obviously behind

2103
02:01:00,960 --> 02:01:03,900
the third place behind the byte
dance for Jones Tiktok, which

2104
02:01:03,900 --> 02:01:08,520
has a billion monthly active
users worldwide. So yes, they're

2105
02:01:08,520 --> 02:01:11,820
wanting to be really, really one
of the three big, big startups

2106
02:01:11,820 --> 02:01:15,240
in the world. And it doesn't
exactly inspire confidence that

2107
02:01:15,240 --> 02:01:19,620
there have been all of these
departures from open AI, but

2108
02:01:19,680 --> 02:01:23,300
we've also seen further reports
this week that OpenAI is looking

2109
02:01:23,300 --> 02:01:28,280
to restructure into a for profit
with a nonprofit arm, changing

2110
02:01:28,280 --> 02:01:32,420
from its current format, which
is a nonprofit with a rather

2111
02:01:32,420 --> 02:01:35,900
large for profit arm. What does
this mean? This really means

2112
02:01:35,900 --> 02:01:38,780
that investors are probably
going to start thinking actually

2113
02:01:38,780 --> 02:01:42,400
they are more interested in my
return on investment, then their

2114
02:01:42,400 --> 02:01:47,260
current very nebulous goal of
trying to create an AI for all

2115
02:01:47,260 --> 02:01:50,620
of humanity, which is smarter
than humanity, but which is also

2116
02:01:50,620 --> 02:01:53,680
safe and beneficial, right? The
investors want a return

2117
02:01:53,680 --> 02:01:57,220
eventually, and a shift to a for
profit structure would give some

2118
02:01:57,220 --> 02:01:57,940
confidence.

2119
02:01:58,540 --> 02:02:01,620
Adam Curry: They've brought in
the Saudis for this round, which

2120
02:02:01,620 --> 02:02:08,460
means they're really desperate.
In my book, Apple dropped out of

2121
02:02:08,460 --> 02:02:10,440
this investment round, like,
Nah, we're not going to

2122
02:02:10,440 --> 02:02:14,580
participate. And from what I
understand, you don't even get

2123
02:02:14,580 --> 02:02:19,500
stock. You get some a new
concept called PP, us, which is

2124
02:02:19,500 --> 02:02:21,860
profit participation units,

2125
02:02:23,540 --> 02:02:24,560
Unknown: not even a warrant,

2126
02:02:26,420 --> 02:02:30,740
Adam Curry: wow. So when they
start to make profit, okay, the

2127
02:02:30,740 --> 02:02:34,460
Saudis, the Saudis, of course, I
mean, Microsoft is going to put

2128
02:02:34,460 --> 02:02:38,360
another billion in in compute.
So it's not actually money, you

2129
02:02:38,360 --> 02:02:38,960
know, there is

2130
02:02:39,740 --> 02:02:41,260
John C Dvorak: some some time,
yes,

2131
02:02:41,440 --> 02:02:46,240
Adam Curry: some, some, some
time. Computer time. Yeah, but

2132
02:02:46,240 --> 02:02:48,220
like the old mainframe days.
Hey, man,

2133
02:02:48,280 --> 02:02:50,560
John C Dvorak: I'm reminded,
since the app you said Apple

2134
02:02:50,560 --> 02:02:55,060
dropped out, I have you seen
this commercial where, uh,

2135
02:02:55,120 --> 02:02:58,960
promoting, of course, the non
existent Apple intelligence AI,

2136
02:02:59,380 --> 02:03:02,400
where there's a girl, she's at a
party. She looks around the

2137
02:03:02,400 --> 02:03:06,000
corner and she sees some guy,
oh, and the guy standing there,

2138
02:03:06,000 --> 02:03:09,360
she's she knows she recognizes
him from another party from

2139
02:03:09,360 --> 02:03:15,120
maybe a month ago. So she she
turns around and hides behind a

2140
02:03:15,120 --> 02:03:20,720
a wall, and then grabs her phone
and says to the phone, hey, what

2141
02:03:20,720 --> 02:03:24,860
was the name of that guy that I
met at that party a month ago?

2142
02:03:26,960 --> 02:03:27,680
Unknown: Yeah,

2143
02:03:27,800 --> 02:03:30,080
Adam Curry: have you seen this?
No, no.

2144
02:03:30,260 --> 02:03:32,480
John C Dvorak: She says, What
was the name of the guy at that

2145
02:03:32,480 --> 02:03:36,800
party a month ago? This is an
Apple commercial. Yes, an Apple

2146
02:03:36,800 --> 02:03:40,220
commercial. And then the phone
comes back, oh, that's Zach such

2147
02:03:40,220 --> 02:03:44,500
and such. No, and she goes into
she turns around and gets past

2148
02:03:44,500 --> 02:03:47,440
the wall, and as a guy comes up
to her says, Hey, Zach, how you

2149
02:03:47,440 --> 02:03:51,580
doing? He saw I'm surprised you
remembered my name. No. And I'm

2150
02:03:51,580 --> 02:03:53,860
thinking, what bull crap.

2151
02:03:54,400 --> 02:03:55,180
Unknown: Oh, man,

2152
02:03:55,900 --> 02:03:59,620
Are they kidding? I guess not.
I'm

2153
02:04:01,300 --> 02:04:03,540
John C Dvorak: not the only I've
seen this commercial twice now.

2154
02:04:03,600 --> 02:04:05,940
Adam Curry: I'm looking for it
on YouTube. I don't see it

2155
02:04:09,900 --> 02:04:12,420
John C Dvorak: well when you'll
see if you watch, well, you

2156
02:04:12,420 --> 02:04:15,240
don't watch as much network TV
as I do. So you might not

2157
02:04:15,240 --> 02:04:18,180
Adam Curry: know, just on the on
the Apple film, on the Apple

2158
02:04:18,180 --> 02:04:19,200
thing, Rob, you have to

2159
02:04:19,200 --> 02:04:21,200
John C Dvorak: be an idiot to
believe that this could even

2160
02:04:21,200 --> 02:04:21,680
happen.

2161
02:04:23,240 --> 02:04:27,740
Adam Curry: Robert, who was
listening to us on Episode 1698

2162
02:04:29,000 --> 02:04:32,600
said I was yelling at my phone.
I was yelling at my phone

2163
02:04:32,840 --> 02:04:38,600
because you were talking about
if Apple made that Sarco pod,

2164
02:04:38,840 --> 02:04:44,560
you know, the death pod that
they used in Switzerland, yeah,

2165
02:04:44,560 --> 02:04:47,860
yeah. The pod, yeah. And he said
the name, obviously would be

2166
02:04:47,860 --> 02:04:54,160
called Die pod, hello. He said,
Hello. Not me. He said, The die

2167
02:04:54,160 --> 02:04:59,620
the die pod, like, Where were
you in the troll room? Man,

2168
02:04:59,620 --> 02:04:59,860
that's.

2169
02:05:00,000 --> 02:05:01,620
John C Dvorak: That's a good
line you would have and you

2170
02:05:01,620 --> 02:05:04,140
would have taken credit for it.
No, no,

2171
02:05:04,140 --> 02:05:06,480
Adam Curry: no, no, no, see, I
even gave him credit right here.

2172
02:05:06,480 --> 02:05:08,280
I can give him credit right
here. I

2173
02:05:08,280 --> 02:05:10,260
John C Dvorak: have one letter
to read, since you're bringing

2174
02:05:10,260 --> 02:05:14,460
this sort of thing up. This from
producer Chris. He says, I know

2175
02:05:14,460 --> 02:05:17,520
it's probably too late for
today. Apparently, it's not. But

2176
02:05:17,520 --> 02:05:23,300
I wanted to address the CEO of
norvo novo, Nordisk. Novo

2177
02:05:23,300 --> 02:05:27,080
Nordisk stating before Congress
that insurance companies control

2178
02:05:27,080 --> 02:05:29,180
drug prices. We talked about
this in the last show.

2179
02:05:30,320 --> 02:05:34,580
Ultimately you say, you could
say they do, like a grocery

2180
02:05:34,580 --> 02:05:37,460
store determines the prices of a
can of soup after a sale and

2181
02:05:37,460 --> 02:05:41,260
allowing a coupon, but the drug
companies absolutely control

2182
02:05:41,260 --> 02:05:44,380
where the price of a drug enters
the market. Drug companies set

2183
02:05:44,380 --> 02:05:48,280
the average wholesale price,
AWP, let's say 1000 a month.

2184
02:05:48,520 --> 02:05:52,120
Then they sell the drug to
wholesalers at some price less

2185
02:05:52,120 --> 02:05:55,840
than that, let's say 700 is the
wholesale acquisition caused

2186
02:05:55,840 --> 02:06:00,480
whack, which is then inflated a
bit when selling to pharmacies.

2187
02:06:00,480 --> 02:06:03,480
And there are middlemen
involved. Insurers set their

2188
02:06:03,480 --> 02:06:06,720
prices a percentage of the AWP,
and going on and on. He says, if

2189
02:06:06,720 --> 02:06:11,100
no vote, Nordisk wanted to set
the price of ozempic at 50 bucks

2190
02:06:11,100 --> 02:06:15,000
a month, they could they
absolutely control lowering the

2191
02:06:15,000 --> 02:06:17,940
AWP, which would cascade through
the market as much as lower

2192
02:06:17,940 --> 02:06:21,320
price, as to a lower price of
the consumers, saying insurers

2193
02:06:21,320 --> 02:06:24,560
are ultimately responsible for
the price of a drug is akin to

2194
02:06:24,560 --> 02:06:27,500
saying car dealers are
responsible for the price of a

2195
02:06:27,500 --> 02:06:30,500
car and ignoring what their cost
is to acquire it from the

2196
02:06:30,500 --> 02:06:32,780
manufacturer, sir. Chris Good

2197
02:06:32,780 --> 02:06:36,200
Unknown: point, thank you, sir.
Chris Good point.

2198
02:06:37,820 --> 02:06:40,720
Adam Curry: Anyway, I'm just
going to double down. Actually,

2199
02:06:40,720 --> 02:06:46,780
I have a text group. I got text
group with the oil baron and my

2200
02:06:46,780 --> 02:06:54,700
buddy Vic in Dallas, and use
NET. That's IRC, baby. Use net.

2201
02:06:54,700 --> 02:07:01,140
What was the other one? What was
the other something? Fido. Fido

2202
02:07:01,140 --> 02:07:06,600
net, Fido net, Fido net. We were
on Fido net the other day and,

2203
02:07:06,660 --> 02:07:10,200
and I'm like, This AI is going
to collapse. And then, you know,

2204
02:07:10,260 --> 02:07:13,860
they're posting back, like, oh,
yeah, that's like Steve Ballmer

2205
02:07:13,860 --> 02:07:17,280
said no one will want the the
mobile phone. He's like, gonna

2206
02:07:17,280 --> 02:07:23,240
add you to this list. And, okay,
okay, they're believers, not

2207
02:07:23,240 --> 02:07:26,780
John C Dvorak: the oil. Yeah,
most people are. I tend to

2208
02:07:27,140 --> 02:07:30,560
believe you're so far ahead of
the curve on this that is going

2209
02:07:30,560 --> 02:07:33,440
to go a lot farther than you
think. Ah, but

2210
02:07:33,560 --> 02:07:36,020
Adam Curry: they're having
trouble with this round apples.

2211
02:07:36,020 --> 02:07:39,080
Apples dropping out already. The

2212
02:07:39,080 --> 02:07:41,260
John C Dvorak: round is
ludicrous. They're asking for

2213
02:07:41,260 --> 02:07:42,100
too much. But

2214
02:07:42,100 --> 02:07:44,620
Adam Curry: they need the money
to keep it, to keep the scam

2215
02:07:44,620 --> 02:07:47,140
going. They have to keep coming
out with, oh, did you

2216
02:07:47,140 --> 02:07:50,380
strawberry? Oh, it's the latest
strawberries, the best. Go in

2217
02:07:50,380 --> 02:07:58,780
and ask chat, GPT strawberries.
How many? How many states have

2218
02:07:58,780 --> 02:08:02,400
an M in it? They don't come back
with with, you know, like Rhode

2219
02:08:02,400 --> 02:08:08,580
Island. I mean, it's so it's
stupid. There's no I in the AI.

2220
02:08:09,660 --> 02:08:12,720
John C Dvorak: It's artificial.
It has an N in it. Island, an M,

2221
02:08:13,020 --> 02:08:19,740
an M, M, Michael, M, M, and
Rhode Island, okay, yeah. So,

2222
02:08:19,740 --> 02:08:20,600
okay,

2223
02:08:21,020 --> 02:08:24,320
Adam Curry: that's all fine.
It's all good. I'm just you're

2224
02:08:24,320 --> 02:08:24,740
just not

2225
02:08:24,740 --> 02:08:27,080
John C Dvorak: telling you
you're way ahead of the curve on

2226
02:08:27,080 --> 02:08:28,700
I agree with you. I know

2227
02:08:28,700 --> 02:08:30,680
Adam Curry: you do, but I don't
think I'm that far ahead of the

2228
02:08:30,680 --> 02:08:34,760
curve. I think you're farther
than you should be. What do you

2229
02:08:34,760 --> 02:08:37,400
think it is then you think they
can do another year of this, two

2230
02:08:37,400 --> 02:08:39,920
years, two years, two

2231
02:08:39,920 --> 02:08:42,220
John C Dvorak: years into the
Trump presidency.

2232
02:08:43,600 --> 02:08:46,060
Adam Curry: Well, Trump has
bought in with, oh, we need all

2233
02:08:46,060 --> 02:08:49,480
kinds of Power. Power. Need
power for this. We're going to

2234
02:08:49,480 --> 02:08:52,000
have huge data centers, which I
don't know what we're going to

2235
02:08:52,000 --> 02:08:53,560
do with them. Well,

2236
02:08:53,560 --> 02:08:55,780
John C Dvorak: what's going to
happen after AI collapses and

2237
02:08:55,780 --> 02:08:59,260
you have all this extra excess
energy, it's going to be a boon.

2238
02:08:59,560 --> 02:09:00,400
It's good. Well,

2239
02:09:00,700 --> 02:09:02,580
Adam Curry: there's a, I know,
edge sword here. It

2240
02:09:02,580 --> 02:09:04,500
John C Dvorak: could be a boon
to the economy, because all of

2241
02:09:04,500 --> 02:09:08,280
free energy, energy is a big
deal, but it could also collapse

2242
02:09:08,280 --> 02:09:09,600
the whole place. No, we'll

2243
02:09:09,600 --> 02:09:10,740
Adam Curry: be mining Bitcoin,

2244
02:09:14,160 --> 02:09:15,000
Unknown: at least I will.

2245
02:09:16,140 --> 02:09:19,380
John C Dvorak: I found three
clips on election fraud on PBS

2246
02:09:19,380 --> 02:09:27,140
that I thought were it's a PBS
or NPO, PBS, PBS, PBS that I

2247
02:09:27,140 --> 02:09:31,700
thought were fascinating because
it, it brings up this dominion,

2248
02:09:32,540 --> 02:09:35,600
because the idiocy of the whole
idea of Dominion having a

2249
02:09:35,600 --> 02:09:40,400
machine that basically fills out
the ballot for you. It acts as a

2250
02:09:40,400 --> 02:09:43,180
middleman. I think this is the
machine I used in Albany. Last

2251
02:09:43,180 --> 02:09:46,240
man in the middle. It's a man in
the middle. It's a man in the

2252
02:09:46,240 --> 02:09:50,140
middle machine. And it's kind of
stupid, but for some reason,

2253
02:09:50,860 --> 02:09:53,140
everyone's using them. And it's
like, yeah,

2254
02:09:53,920 --> 02:09:56,560
Adam Curry: gee, what? What
reason could California have to

2255
02:09:56,560 --> 02:09:58,540
be using them? Let me think the.

2256
02:10:00,000 --> 02:10:02,280
John C Dvorak: Let's play these
three. These are clips that

2257
02:10:02,340 --> 02:10:05,880
they're excessively long but,
but I thought were interesting

2258
02:10:05,880 --> 02:10:07,860
enough that I could make long
clips.

2259
02:10:10,320 --> 02:10:12,540
Adam Curry: Was that a cue? Yes.
What

2260
02:10:12,780 --> 02:10:15,960
Unknown: was pretty obvious
primary election day in Bartow

2261
02:10:15,960 --> 02:10:19,620
County, Georgia, and election
workers are conducting a logic

2262
02:10:19,620 --> 02:10:24,440
and accuracy test of computers
that stand between voters and

2263
02:10:24,440 --> 02:10:25,760
their ballots where

2264
02:10:25,760 --> 02:10:29,840
it says Text Size, touch theft
and then do big, big.

2265
02:10:30,740 --> 02:10:31,040
They

2266
02:10:31,040 --> 02:10:36,980
are image cast X ballot marking
devices or BMDS made by Dominion

2267
02:10:36,980 --> 02:10:41,500
voting systems. Everyone who
votes in person in Georgia uses

2268
02:10:41,500 --> 02:10:44,380
one of these touchscreen
computers to record their

2269
02:10:44,380 --> 02:10:49,000
choices and then prints a marked
paper ballot, which gets scanned

2270
02:10:49,060 --> 02:10:53,980
and tabulated. So are these
machines worth the added cost

2271
02:10:53,980 --> 02:10:58,060
and complexity I advocated for
them. Joseph Kirk is the

2272
02:10:58,060 --> 02:11:02,220
election supervisor here. He
says the ballot marking devices

2273
02:11:02,220 --> 02:11:07,200
offer advantages over paper
ballots marked by hand guides

2274
02:11:07,200 --> 02:11:10,740
the voter through the process.
It makes sure that there's no

2275
02:11:10,740 --> 02:11:12,960
question about their intent. A
small

2276
02:11:12,960 --> 02:11:17,400
percentage of selections on hand
marked ballots are disqualified

2277
02:11:17,520 --> 02:11:21,200
because voters make ambiguous
markings. Dominion's ballot

2278
02:11:21,200 --> 02:11:25,280
marking devices may address that
issue, but many election

2279
02:11:25,280 --> 02:11:29,780
security experts say they inject
stubborn uncertainties into the

2280
02:11:29,780 --> 02:11:32,060
voting process. Fundamentally,
it's

2281
02:11:32,060 --> 02:11:35,480
a problem anytime that you're
going to put a potentially

2282
02:11:35,480 --> 02:11:40,600
vulnerable computer between the
voter and the only records of

2283
02:11:40,600 --> 02:11:42,040
their vote. J

2284
02:11:42,040 --> 02:11:45,760
Alex Halderman is a professor of
Electrical Engineering and

2285
02:11:45,760 --> 02:11:49,480
Computer Science at the
University of Michigan. He is

2286
02:11:49,480 --> 02:11:53,620
among those who advocate for
hand marked paper ballots. I

2287
02:11:53,620 --> 02:11:57,760
guess it seems ironic that the
best computer scientists in the

2288
02:11:57,760 --> 02:12:01,560
world will tell you the best
technology for an election is

2289
02:12:01,560 --> 02:12:03,720
pen and paper. Well, that's

2290
02:12:03,780 --> 02:12:08,580
that's absolutely right. And the
reason for that is we, we know

2291
02:12:08,640 --> 02:12:12,900
how paper can be secured. We
know how digital systems can be

2292
02:12:13,020 --> 02:12:13,740
attacked.

2293
02:12:14,280 --> 02:12:17,460
Adam Curry: Wow, for PBS, that's
impressive. Is this. So does

2294
02:12:17,460 --> 02:12:21,080
this all stem from the hanging
chads? Is that why the computers

2295
02:12:21,080 --> 02:12:24,080
were brought into it, or just
purely hanging

2296
02:12:24,080 --> 02:12:26,360
John C Dvorak: chads goes way
back, but I think it has to do

2297
02:12:26,360 --> 02:12:29,540
with people smudging or, you
know, when they I don't know

2298
02:12:29,540 --> 02:12:32,240
what really, I don't. There's no
real reason, as far as I'm

2299
02:12:32,240 --> 02:12:35,300
concerned, except, but they do
this, and I'm thinking, and I've

2300
02:12:35,300 --> 02:12:38,600
used the machine so I can tell
you what you do. You go in

2301
02:12:38,600 --> 02:12:41,920
there, you do the voting on the
machine, and then it prints out

2302
02:12:42,220 --> 02:12:44,260
the ballot. Yeah. You want

2303
02:12:44,260 --> 02:12:46,300
Adam Curry: paper with the
votes, and you look it over.

2304
02:12:46,780 --> 02:12:49,360
John C Dvorak: You look it over,
and the vote you voted for this

2305
02:12:49,360 --> 02:12:53,800
guy, yep, yep, yep, yep, yep,
yep. And then you stick it in

2306
02:12:53,800 --> 02:12:57,760
the you file it, and they then
it counts it. Wait,

2307
02:12:57,760 --> 02:13:00,220
Adam Curry: wait, don't you
stick it in a machine that

2308
02:13:00,220 --> 02:13:01,740
counts it? Well, the machine,

2309
02:13:01,740 --> 02:13:03,480
John C Dvorak: yeah. So you
stick it in machine accounts,

2310
02:13:03,480 --> 02:13:06,600
and it should just count it,
yeah. So where do you think

2311
02:13:06,660 --> 02:13:07,440
that's it? That's

2312
02:13:07,440 --> 02:13:09,960
Adam Curry: where. That's where
the problem is. Is in the No,

2313
02:13:12,000 --> 02:13:14,220
John C Dvorak: that's what I
thought it might be a problem in

2314
02:13:14,220 --> 02:13:19,320
the counting machine. This, when
I heard this, this next part,

2315
02:13:19,320 --> 02:13:23,180
what, what the real problem is
because, because you can go back

2316
02:13:23,180 --> 02:13:26,300
and make these, you can see what
I did. I voted here and I voted

2317
02:13:26,300 --> 02:13:29,900
there, and I had this. Next time
I do this, I'm going to vote by

2318
02:13:29,900 --> 02:13:32,240
hand. I'm going to go in and
vote. I'm going to take a

2319
02:13:32,240 --> 02:13:35,720
picture of the ballot, because
of the little interesting the

2320
02:13:35,720 --> 02:13:36,980
gotcha in here.

2321
02:13:36,980 --> 02:13:39,020
Adam Curry: Are you allowed to
take your camera into the

2322
02:13:39,020 --> 02:13:41,440
polling booth? I don't think why
not? I don't think you're

2323
02:13:41,440 --> 02:13:45,580
allowed. Why not? Well, because
you have exactly what you're

2324
02:13:45,580 --> 02:13:47,740
saying. Because they don't want
any evidence.

2325
02:13:49,000 --> 02:13:52,780
John C Dvorak: I have seen no
signage of any sort saying I

2326
02:13:52,840 --> 02:13:56,620
can't have a camera in my
private little voting booth,

2327
02:13:56,620 --> 02:13:56,980
they

2328
02:13:56,980 --> 02:14:00,960
Adam Curry: have signs it here
in Texas where we vote, no

2329
02:14:00,960 --> 02:14:03,720
cameras, no guns, which is a big
bummer. Well, the

2330
02:14:03,720 --> 02:14:07,680
John C Dvorak: guns I can see
enough to play on a second. Let

2331
02:14:07,680 --> 02:14:10,560
Adam Curry: me pull all these
guns out. No, I don't think you,

2332
02:14:10,560 --> 02:14:11,700
I don't think you can use

2333
02:14:11,700 --> 02:14:14,580
John C Dvorak: I see. No, I've
never seen such a sign, and I

2334
02:14:14,580 --> 02:14:16,680
don't see why it would make a
difference. All right, I'll

2335
02:14:16,680 --> 02:14:18,540
Adam Curry: bill you out. Don't
worry. We got you. Thank

2336
02:14:18,840 --> 02:14:21,140
John C Dvorak: you. Thank you.
You're a friend. Yeah, I

2337
02:14:21,140 --> 02:14:23,960
Adam Curry: am friend. We're
friends. So we're good friends.

2338
02:14:23,960 --> 02:14:25,100
Bail each other out.

2339
02:14:25,280 --> 02:14:28,880
John C Dvorak: You wouldn't at
first glance, you know you do

2340
02:14:28,880 --> 02:14:31,580
what you just said is what I
logically would think too. But

2341
02:14:31,580 --> 02:14:36,620
no, it turns out there's a more
interesting way of cheating that

2342
02:14:36,620 --> 02:14:38,660
I was like, what the

2343
02:14:38,660 --> 02:14:40,340
Unknown: risks aren't even
comparable.

2344
02:14:40,400 --> 02:14:44,800
Halderman has spent a lot of
time studying the risks. He is

2345
02:14:44,800 --> 02:14:47,860
an expert witness for the
plaintiffs in a pending federal

2346
02:14:47,860 --> 02:14:51,820
lawsuit seeking an injunction
against using the current voting

2347
02:14:51,820 --> 02:14:55,360
system. Halderman says he and
his team found nine

2348
02:14:55,360 --> 02:14:59,440
vulnerabilities in the Dominion
system. We met at a law office

2349
02:14:59,440 --> 02:15:03,900
in Atlanta. In March, he showed
me some of what he demonstrated

2350
02:15:03,960 --> 02:15:05,040
in open court.

2351
02:15:05,340 --> 02:15:09,660
We thought like an attacker,
what would an attacker want to

2352
02:15:09,660 --> 02:15:12,720
do? How could an attacker
circumvent the layers of

2353
02:15:12,720 --> 02:15:15,360
protection that are in this
machine and in a real polling

2354
02:15:15,360 --> 02:15:16,560
place? Halderman

2355
02:15:16,560 --> 02:15:21,200
demonstrated a few seemingly
easy ways to breach the security

2356
02:15:21,200 --> 02:15:25,520
of the Dominion ballot marking
device. He used a pen to recycle

2357
02:15:25,520 --> 02:15:28,940
the power which gave him
administrative control of the

2358
02:15:28,940 --> 02:15:33,680
computer, and he used a widely
available USB device favored by

2359
02:15:33,680 --> 02:15:38,480
computer security experts and
hackers to rewrite the software

2360
02:15:38,480 --> 02:15:43,000
of the machine. All of this
mischief could occur without an

2361
02:15:43,000 --> 02:15:47,140
obvious trace. That's because
the scanner that tabulates the

2362
02:15:47,140 --> 02:15:51,880
votes does not look at the human
readable text. Instead, it

2363
02:15:51,880 --> 02:15:55,060
derives its data from this QR
code.

2364
02:15:55,660 --> 02:15:59,560
We can change just the QR code
and leave all of the voter

2365
02:15:59,560 --> 02:16:03,420
visible text identical to what
the voter entered on screen. So

2366
02:16:03,420 --> 02:16:06,660
as a voter, there's nothing at
all that you can see that's

2367
02:16:06,660 --> 02:16:09,360
going to indicate there was a
problem. Halderman

2368
02:16:09,360 --> 02:16:12,900
and his team worry that the
hacks could propagate through an

2369
02:16:12,900 --> 02:16:16,920
entire county, or even
statewide, while the ballot

2370
02:16:16,920 --> 02:16:21,020
marking devices are not directly
plugged into the Internet as

2371
02:16:21,020 --> 02:16:24,860
they are updated and operated,
they regularly exchange data

2372
02:16:24,860 --> 02:16:29,840
with online systems through USB
memory sticks and smart cards

2373
02:16:30,080 --> 02:16:30,440
that

2374
02:16:30,440 --> 02:16:34,400
can potentially provide a route
for hackers far away on the

2375
02:16:34,400 --> 02:16:38,420
internet to gain access to BMDS.
The kinds of attackers that

2376
02:16:38,480 --> 02:16:41,800
worry me in this scenario
includes some of the most

2377
02:16:42,040 --> 02:16:45,940
sophisticated adversaries in the
world, foreign governments, gov

2378
02:16:46,240 --> 02:16:51,580
Adam Curry: and Democrats. Wow.
So there's a QR code on your on

2379
02:16:51,580 --> 02:17:00,340
your ballot, yeah. Oh, man,
that's so that's pretty crazy.

2380
02:17:00,639 --> 02:17:02,879
John C Dvorak: So I thought that
was interesting. And of course,

2381
02:17:02,879 --> 02:17:05,999
now we have to, you know, you
can Craig give this report

2382
02:17:05,999 --> 02:17:08,879
without, like, slamming the
Republicans? Yeah. Got to, yeah.

2383
02:17:09,119 --> 02:17:13,799
So they so there's been examples
of corruption in different areas

2384
02:17:13,799 --> 02:17:17,399
of the country by both Democrats
and Republicans. We've known

2385
02:17:17,399 --> 02:17:22,639
this forever. And so they do an
exemplification. They defend the

2386
02:17:22,699 --> 02:17:26,419
machine, and then they exemplify
what could possibly happen using

2387
02:17:26,419 --> 02:17:30,799
a Republican example, which is
really done for the purposes of

2388
02:17:30,799 --> 02:17:34,219
showing it could be done, but
it's beside the point. NPR or

2389
02:17:34,219 --> 02:17:38,839
PBS did its job of making sure
they slammed the Republicans in

2390
02:17:38,839 --> 02:17:42,219
this matter. But here we go with
the with the final analysis,

2391
02:17:42,339 --> 02:17:46,179
Unknown: we asked dominion for a
response. A spokesperson emailed

2392
02:17:46,179 --> 02:17:49,899
us this. The claim that someone
could hack an election with a

2393
02:17:49,899 --> 02:17:55,119
pen is flatly false. A court
directive gave Mr. Haldeman as

2394
02:17:55,119 --> 02:17:58,719
plaintiff's paid expert
unfettered access to system

2395
02:17:58,719 --> 02:18:02,519
security features, including
passwords, security cards,

2396
02:18:02,699 --> 02:18:06,719
election files and more. This
did not take into account the

2397
02:18:06,719 --> 02:18:11,699
many layers of physical and
operational safeguards. There is

2398
02:18:11,699 --> 02:18:15,059
no evidence that any of these
apparent vulnerabilities have

2399
02:18:15,059 --> 02:18:17,579
ever been exploited. Georgia,
they

2400
02:18:17,580 --> 02:18:20,780
Adam Curry: throw out of no
evidence. Yeah, that's amazing.

2401
02:18:21,020 --> 02:18:22,220
That's good. Okay.

2402
02:18:22,459 --> 02:18:25,099
Unknown: There is no evidence
that any of these apparent

2403
02:18:25,099 --> 02:18:28,939
vulnerabilities have ever been
exploited. Georgia State

2404
02:18:28,939 --> 02:18:33,619
election officials say they are
hypothetical scenarios. Almost

2405
02:18:33,620 --> 02:18:36,200
all these are mitigated by the
processes that are put in place

2406
02:18:36,260 --> 02:18:37,580
around the election system

2407
02:18:37,580 --> 02:18:41,680
itself. Gabe sterling is the
chief operating and financial

2408
02:18:41,680 --> 02:18:45,640
officer for the Secretary of
State. He says the many layers

2409
02:18:45,640 --> 02:18:49,600
of people and processes
surrounding these machines make

2410
02:18:49,600 --> 02:18:53,920
it impossible for a voter to
reboot them with a pen or insert

2411
02:18:53,920 --> 02:18:58,780
a USB device without being
detected. So what Alex Haldeman

2412
02:18:58,780 --> 02:19:01,920
demonstrated you believe is not
a real world scenario. The

2413
02:19:01,920 --> 02:19:02,460
computer

2414
02:19:02,460 --> 02:19:06,180
experts focus solely, solely,
solely on the computer. They

2415
02:19:06,180 --> 02:19:09,180
focus nothing on voting
processes and human behavior,

2416
02:19:09,180 --> 02:19:11,460
but they don't look at the
entirety of how the system

2417
02:19:11,460 --> 02:19:14,820
works. The reality of it is, is
there's so many safeguards

2418
02:19:14,820 --> 02:19:15,480
around it,

2419
02:19:15,540 --> 02:19:18,900
but what if there was an inside
job? This is exactly what

2420
02:19:18,900 --> 02:19:24,020
happened in early 2021 in rural
coffee County Georgia, the

2421
02:19:24,020 --> 02:19:27,440
election supervisor and the
local Chair of the Republican

2422
02:19:27,440 --> 02:19:32,420
Party invited Trump campaign
allies and a data forensics team

2423
02:19:32,420 --> 02:19:36,140
into the secure area where the
Dominion machines and the

2424
02:19:36,140 --> 02:19:40,360
election management server are
stored. For several days they

2425
02:19:40,360 --> 02:19:45,100
copied proprietary software and
confidential data. It is one of

2426
02:19:45,100 --> 02:19:48,520
the most infamous security
breaches in US election history.

2427
02:19:48,580 --> 02:19:49,660
Adam Curry: Oh God,

2428
02:19:51,700 --> 02:19:54,040
Douche: good job. Good job.

2429
02:19:54,280 --> 02:19:57,100
John C Dvorak: I just want to
play a 21 just to show you, PbS

2430
02:19:57,100 --> 02:20:03,120
is way of doing business. You. I
have to play this PBS slant on

2431
02:20:03,120 --> 02:20:07,500
gun violence that was yesterday,
or, I guess, Friday show. This

2432
02:20:07,500 --> 02:20:12,180
is typical of PBS and the fact
that there are stooges for the

2433
02:20:12,180 --> 02:20:13,920
Democrats. Listen to this. Gun

2434
02:20:13,920 --> 02:20:16,980
Unknown: violence and crime in
America are both key issues in

2435
02:20:16,980 --> 02:20:21,440
the 2024 campaign as part of our
ongoing series about election

2436
02:20:21,440 --> 02:20:24,620
year issues are. Lisa Desjardins
has looked into where the

2437
02:20:24,620 --> 02:20:27,200
candidates stand, and she joins
us now. It's great to have you

2438
02:20:27,200 --> 02:20:29,960
here, Lisa. So let's start with
former President Donald Trump.

2439
02:20:29,960 --> 02:20:32,240
He talks often about crime
despite his own felony

2440
02:20:32,240 --> 02:20:33,020
convictions. What

2441
02:20:33,020 --> 02:20:34,940
kind of reporting is that?
Dipshit?

2442
02:20:36,440 --> 02:20:41,320
Adam Curry: Wow. Lisa changed
her voice. Lisa Desjardins is

2443
02:20:41,320 --> 02:20:41,800
still around.

2444
02:20:41,800 --> 02:20:44,560
John C Dvorak: Oh yeah, now she
takes the anchor job every so

2445
02:20:44,560 --> 02:20:45,460
often because I

2446
02:20:45,460 --> 02:20:47,740
Adam Curry: remember she was
sick, so I guess she's, she's

2447
02:20:47,740 --> 02:20:52,960
better. I'm happy to hear that.
I always kind of liked her until

2448
02:20:52,960 --> 02:20:57,820
she went all nutty. She went a
little wacky there for a while.

2449
02:20:57,820 --> 02:20:58,540
You remember?

2450
02:20:59,080 --> 02:21:00,960
Unknown: Well, she's, uh, yeah,

2451
02:21:00,960 --> 02:21:03,480
Adam Curry: she went, Well, I
think around the time that

2452
02:21:03,540 --> 02:21:06,000
Snowden came out, and she was,

2453
02:21:07,200 --> 02:21:09,000
John C Dvorak: you're talking
about the right? The same girl,

2454
02:21:09,000 --> 02:21:12,300
Lisa day joy, then the one.
She's got a big nose. Yes,

2455
02:21:12,480 --> 02:21:13,140
remarkable.

2456
02:21:13,860 --> 02:21:16,380
Adam Curry: Are we talking about
someone else? Didn't she work at

2457
02:21:16,380 --> 02:21:17,640
Wired for a while?

2458
02:21:17,700 --> 02:21:20,180
John C Dvorak: No, no, no. She's
always been a PBS girl.

2459
02:21:21,560 --> 02:21:24,740
Adam Curry: Okay, I'm thinking
of someone else. Then who was it

2460
02:21:24,740 --> 02:21:25,100
was, Oh,

2461
02:21:25,100 --> 02:21:30,320
John C Dvorak: I think you're
talking about desjard. Zeni

2462
02:21:30,560 --> 02:21:31,220
Zeni.

2463
02:21:31,220 --> 02:21:33,860
Adam Curry: That's who I'm
thinking of, yeah. Zeni, Zeni,

2464
02:21:33,860 --> 02:21:35,180
Desjardins, she did

2465
02:21:35,180 --> 02:21:39,620
John C Dvorak: go kind of nutty.
Yeah, yeah, no. Lisa desjard.

2466
02:21:39,680 --> 02:21:44,380
Dan is a petite Yes, with the
big nine presenter on PBS

2467
02:21:44,380 --> 02:21:46,060
newshour Not

2468
02:21:46,060 --> 02:21:49,960
Adam Curry: to be left out of
the election night shenanigans.

2469
02:21:50,440 --> 02:21:56,680
Amazon prime will be doing live
coverage since who has, who has

2470
02:21:56,680 --> 02:21:59,800
networked live, who has network
l

2471
02:21:59,800 --> 02:22:01,920
John C Dvorak: Michaels doing
it. Ah, guess

2472
02:22:01,920 --> 02:22:05,160
Adam Curry: again, if you were
to choose the most trustworthy

2473
02:22:05,160 --> 02:22:09,600
name in news and you wanted them
to host your election night

2474
02:22:09,600 --> 02:22:13,860
coverage on Amazon Prime, who
would you choose? Okay,

2475
02:22:13,860 --> 02:22:15,840
John C Dvorak: so it's got to be
somebody that's not working for

2476
02:22:15,840 --> 02:22:18,300
the networks, because it's a
conflict of interest. Not

2477
02:22:18,300 --> 02:22:21,260
Adam Curry: anymore. I'll give
you a hint. He's he two hints.

2478
02:22:21,380 --> 02:22:24,020
He is no longer working for the
networks.

2479
02:22:24,380 --> 02:22:27,200
John C Dvorak: Yes, I would be
right. So you got to say he, so

2480
02:22:27,200 --> 02:22:31,100
it could be, what's his name?
The guy used to be the anchor in

2481
02:22:31,100 --> 02:22:32,180
NBC. Come on.

2482
02:22:32,540 --> 02:22:35,960
Adam Curry: You're close. You're
close. That you might have it. I

2483
02:22:35,960 --> 02:22:37,820
John C Dvorak: think I do have
it. I just, for some reason, his

2484
02:22:37,820 --> 02:22:39,140
name is eluding me.

2485
02:22:39,440 --> 02:22:41,380
Adam Curry: No, that doesn't
count. That I

2486
02:22:42,820 --> 02:22:44,860
John C Dvorak: it counts for me.
I could think of his name, if I

2487
02:22:44,860 --> 02:22:45,760
think hard enough,

2488
02:22:48,520 --> 02:22:51,940
Adam Curry: we're sorry. Brian
Williams, yes,

2489
02:22:52,000 --> 02:22:54,220
John C Dvorak: exactly. That's
exactly who I was thinking of.

2490
02:22:54,220 --> 02:22:57,760
Brian Williams, who's the worst
for this sort of thing.

2491
02:22:57,820 --> 02:22:58,960
Adam Curry: Isn't that great?

2492
02:23:00,460 --> 02:23:02,160
Douche: Oh, poor guy.

2493
02:23:02,700 --> 02:23:04,500
John C Dvorak: Hey, gotta know
that he actually would have been

2494
02:23:04,500 --> 02:23:08,220
worse. Would be lower. Oh. Matt
Lauer, when

2495
02:23:08,220 --> 02:23:12,240
Adam Curry: does he get to come
back? There's gonna be a moment

2496
02:23:12,240 --> 02:23:14,340
where he's going to make a
comeback. There's going to be

2497
02:23:14,340 --> 02:23:15,060
gonna have to

2498
02:23:15,060 --> 02:23:19,320
John C Dvorak: because he's
getting, you know, money. He's

2499
02:23:19,320 --> 02:23:22,100
gonna run out of money. You
know, he got a golden parachute.

2500
02:23:22,100 --> 02:23:26,000
There's no doubt about that. So
he's, he's living off of his,

2501
02:23:26,300 --> 02:23:30,020
you know, what's left? But guys
like that, they're gonna,

2502
02:23:30,020 --> 02:23:32,900
they're always gonna spend at
the limit. So it's gonna, they

2503
02:23:32,900 --> 02:23:35,300
can't, it can't go on forever.
Yeah,

2504
02:23:35,900 --> 02:23:38,660
Adam Curry: I wonder, I wonder
what he's How much must that

2505
02:23:38,660 --> 02:23:43,900
suck to be him? I mean, really,

2506
02:23:43,960 --> 02:23:46,780
John C Dvorak: yeah, with the
with the locking doors and the

2507
02:23:46,780 --> 02:23:47,020
rape,

2508
02:23:50,140 --> 02:23:51,400
Unknown: yeah, all of that

2509
02:23:52,780 --> 02:23:55,480
Adam Curry: Tina still talks
about. I used to, I used to

2510
02:23:55,480 --> 02:23:58,660
watch the Today Show, and I
would, I would love watching.

2511
02:24:00,340 --> 02:24:04,320
What's his name, Matt. Matt
Lauer. He said, I love that. And

2512
02:24:04,320 --> 02:24:06,840
says, Then I found out he had a
rate button under his

2513
02:24:07,020 --> 02:24:07,740
Unknown: desk. So

2514
02:24:09,240 --> 02:24:11,700
Adam Curry: it's gonna take him
a little bit longer, but he has

2515
02:24:11,700 --> 02:24:15,120
to make a ray entree eventually.

2516
02:24:16,320 --> 02:24:18,300
John C Dvorak: Uh, couple. I
just want to mention

2517
02:24:18,300 --> 02:24:20,360
Adam Curry: one thing before you
get to your three more clips,

2518
02:24:21,560 --> 02:24:25,280
John C Dvorak: Tiktok clips. So
this a warning in advance. Yes,

2519
02:24:25,280 --> 02:24:28,820
Adam Curry: the constitutional
lawyer Rob he's been doing a

2520
02:24:28,820 --> 02:24:31,160
lot. He's been doing some good
work. They're not even gonna get

2521
02:24:31,160 --> 02:24:35,180
to some of the work he's done
for us today. But one of his

2522
02:24:35,180 --> 02:24:41,140
buddies from law school, I think
Houston lawyer Tony Busby, who

2523
02:24:41,140 --> 02:24:47,440
he says is a hard ass lawyer, is
now set to represent over 50

2524
02:24:47,440 --> 02:24:52,600
clients. Yes, in a new this, in
a new Diddy lawsuit, which

2525
02:24:53,020 --> 02:24:55,840
apparently includes some who are
minors.

2526
02:24:57,460 --> 02:24:59,140
John C Dvorak: Yeah, there's a
there's a lot of there's been a

2527
02:24:59,140 --> 02:25:02,400
lot of hinting. Thing about
minors? Yeah,

2528
02:25:02,520 --> 02:25:06,180
Adam Curry: well, we have an
inside track. So whenever

2529
02:25:06,180 --> 02:25:09,720
there's something going on with
the buzz, the buzz be hopefully

2530
02:25:09,720 --> 02:25:12,480
we'll, we'll hear a little bit
from our constitutional lawyer.

2531
02:25:13,020 --> 02:25:15,780
Do we have the best producers in
the universe, or what

2532
02:25:17,040 --> 02:25:19,860
John C Dvorak: it's
embarrassingly it's embarrassing

2533
02:25:20,460 --> 02:25:22,820
riches. What's the embarrassment
of riches?

2534
02:25:22,820 --> 02:25:23,720
Adam Curry: Yes, it is.

2535
02:25:24,380 --> 02:25:26,240
John C Dvorak: It's an
embarrassment of riches. Nobody

2536
02:25:26,240 --> 02:25:27,260
else has this. No,

2537
02:25:30,920 --> 02:25:34,880
Adam Curry: all right, here we
go. John has tick tock clips.

2538
02:25:35,480 --> 02:25:35,720
Now

2539
02:25:35,720 --> 02:25:38,360
John C Dvorak: this one. This is
a woman who brought this clip,

2540
02:25:38,360 --> 02:25:42,640
and she, she, she narrates it,
and so and I thought this clip

2541
02:25:42,640 --> 02:25:46,780
was kind of oddly. It was odd
and offensive, and it hasn't

2542
02:25:46,780 --> 02:25:51,100
been going around. It's about
Kwanzaa and Camela. I unearthed

2543
02:25:51,100 --> 02:25:52,060
quite the gem

2544
02:25:52,240 --> 02:25:55,780
Unknown: growing up Kwanzaa was
always a special time. We came

2545
02:25:55,780 --> 02:25:58,840
together with generations of
friends and family and

2546
02:25:58,840 --> 02:26:02,700
neighbors. There were never
enough chairs. So my sister and

2547
02:26:02,700 --> 02:26:05,880
I and the other children would
often sit on the floor, and

2548
02:26:05,880 --> 02:26:10,080
together we lit the candles of
the Canara, and then the elders

2549
02:26:10,260 --> 02:26:13,500
would talk about how Kwanzaa
it's a time to celebrate

2550
02:26:13,500 --> 02:26:18,780
culture, community and family.
And they, of course, taught us

2551
02:26:19,020 --> 02:26:22,880
about the seven principles. My
favorite principle was always

2552
02:26:22,880 --> 02:26:27,080
the second. Could you tackle
self determination? And it is a

2553
02:26:27,080 --> 02:26:31,220
deeply American principle, one
that guides me every day as vice

2554
02:26:31,220 --> 02:26:31,760
president

2555
02:26:32,660 --> 02:26:36,440
to everyone celebrating. We hope
your week is filled with love

2556
02:26:36,500 --> 02:26:40,240
and light from our family to
yours. Happy

2557
02:26:41,260 --> 02:26:46,840
Kwanzaa was invented in 1966 she
was born in 1964 her family did

2558
02:26:46,840 --> 02:26:50,560
not celebrate Kwanzaa. I mean,
the guy that invented it was a

2559
02:26:50,560 --> 02:26:52,120
communist, so maybe

2560
02:26:55,420 --> 02:26:57,760
Adam Curry: how it's good to
hear that again, even without

2561
02:26:57,760 --> 02:27:01,800
the tiktokers commentary. What a
phony. And was that Doug? Was

2562
02:27:01,800 --> 02:27:05,760
that Doug? Yeah, it was Doug the
Jew. That Happy Kwanzaa. Y'all

2563
02:27:05,760 --> 02:27:10,020
Happy Kwanzaa? Wait, please. I

2564
02:27:10,020 --> 02:27:13,500
John C Dvorak: mean, what a
liar, yes, yeah,

2565
02:27:15,180 --> 02:27:18,300
well, I found that to be
offensive, yes, um, and you're

2566
02:27:18,300 --> 02:27:22,040
not even black. I'm not even
black, and I'm not a Jew. No

2567
02:27:23,240 --> 02:27:26,000
Adam Curry: that we know of.
Here is the,

2568
02:27:26,480 --> 02:27:29,960
John C Dvorak: here is the, I
don't know if this guy's

2569
02:27:29,960 --> 02:27:34,880
serious. It's one of those
tiktokers that you go. Is this

2570
02:27:34,880 --> 02:27:38,840
guy full of crap? Because do we
really want to call babies

2571
02:27:39,020 --> 02:27:41,440
babies everyone?

2572
02:27:42,040 --> 02:27:44,980
Unknown: I just wanted to talk
today about ways we can use

2573
02:27:44,980 --> 02:27:45,700
words. To me, this

2574
02:27:45,700 --> 02:27:46,540
Adam Curry: is a guy.

2575
02:27:47,320 --> 02:27:48,700
John C Dvorak: Yes, this is a
guy.

2576
02:27:51,460 --> 02:27:55,660
Unknown: People feel included in
the conversation. One of the

2577
02:27:55,660 --> 02:27:59,140
words I see thrown around a lot
that can make people feel left

2578
02:27:59,140 --> 02:28:04,140
out is the word mother. It's
better if we use the term

2579
02:28:04,140 --> 02:28:07,860
birthing people. There are a lot
of people that can give birth

2580
02:28:07,920 --> 02:28:14,040
that aren't traditional mothers.
That includes trans men. Another

2581
02:28:14,040 --> 02:28:19,320
word that I see just tossed
around is babies. It's much

2582
02:28:19,320 --> 02:28:23,060
better if you use a gender
nonspecific term for children

2583
02:28:23,060 --> 02:28:27,920
that young until they can decide
what their gender is and pick it

2584
02:28:27,920 --> 02:28:32,360
for themselves. So much better
if you can use the term babies

2585
02:28:32,720 --> 02:28:36,440
that allows them to have
autonomy, and it allows them to

2586
02:28:36,440 --> 02:28:40,240
choose their gender instead of
just assigning it to them at

2587
02:28:40,240 --> 02:28:47,560
birth. Another term that I see
used a lot is cervix or womb,

2588
02:28:48,520 --> 02:28:53,320
not uterus. It's much better if
you use a more general term,

2589
02:28:53,380 --> 02:28:58,060
like reproductive organs. So
these are just some really small

2590
02:28:58,060 --> 02:29:03,240
changes that we can make in our
vernacular that helps people

2591
02:29:03,240 --> 02:29:07,140
feel more included in the
conversation and not left out.

2592
02:29:07,740 --> 02:29:10,920
And it just goes a long way. So
anyways, try making those

2593
02:29:10,920 --> 02:29:13,140
changes and let me know how it
goes.

2594
02:29:13,200 --> 02:29:15,840
Adam Curry: Now, do you ever
comment on these videos? Because

2595
02:29:15,840 --> 02:29:20,840
I have a comment, since I don't
have an account, isn't the term

2596
02:29:20,840 --> 02:29:24,260
baby gender neutral by itself.

2597
02:29:25,580 --> 02:29:30,080
John C Dvorak: It's a baby bring
this brings me to a story. Yes,

2598
02:29:30,080 --> 02:29:35,780
it is. It's totally neutral. So
on this and this situation that

2599
02:29:35,780 --> 02:29:39,980
we're moaning and groaning and
bitching about goes back, and in

2600
02:29:39,980 --> 02:29:42,580
this case, this will go back to
this story goes back to about

2601
02:29:42,580 --> 02:29:47,140
1982 which is what 40 years ago.
Oh,

2602
02:29:47,380 --> 02:29:48,400
Adam Curry: don't remind me.

2603
02:29:51,100 --> 02:29:54,940
John C Dvorak: So back then,
there was a I was doing a story

2604
02:29:54,940 --> 02:29:58,780
for, I guess this story actually
goes back to 1986 because that

2605
02:29:58,780 --> 02:30:02,340
is the year I was visiting.
Boeing and one of the Boeing

2606
02:30:02,340 --> 02:30:03,420
guys used to write,

2607
02:30:04,380 --> 02:30:06,300
Adam Curry: hold on a second.

2608
02:30:08,280 --> 02:30:11,340
Unknown: You can't just do that.
Can't do what.

2609
02:30:11,400 --> 02:30:13,500
Adam Curry: You can't just
launch into a story without your

2610
02:30:13,500 --> 02:30:14,040
jingle. Hey

2611
02:30:14,640 --> 02:30:15,120
Unknown: everybody,

2612
02:30:22,140 --> 02:30:25,280
Adam Curry: it's a bonus. Yeah.
And it sounds like a story I've

2613
02:30:25,280 --> 02:30:26,120
never heard.

2614
02:30:30,200 --> 02:30:32,300
John C Dvorak: I have told a
story before in the show, but it

2615
02:30:32,300 --> 02:30:37,280
was probably 10 years ago. So
I'm doing this guy, one of the

2616
02:30:37,280 --> 02:30:42,220
engineers there who was showing
us at the time, Boeing calc also

2617
02:30:42,220 --> 02:30:45,040
got a tour of the Everett
facility at the factory. Got the

2618
02:30:45,040 --> 02:30:49,840
season. Boeing calc was an
original spreadsheet program

2619
02:30:49,840 --> 02:30:53,740
that was quite good, like
VisiCalc. It was, it was like

2620
02:30:53,800 --> 02:30:57,940
more, yes, it was like VisiCalc,
and it was quite good. It came

2621
02:30:57,940 --> 02:31:02,700
out before the Microsoft took
over the place, but it was, it

2622
02:31:02,700 --> 02:31:06,300
was a good product, and they it
was used internally. And so it

2623
02:31:06,300 --> 02:31:09,840
was actually a commercial
product for a year or two. And

2624
02:31:09,840 --> 02:31:12,300
in the process, the guy was
telling me that he used to write

2625
02:31:12,300 --> 02:31:18,600
for Mac, I'm I'm sorry, PC
World, which was the competitor

2626
02:31:18,600 --> 02:31:23,060
to PC Mac, yes, of course. And
he said that he had turned in

2627
02:31:23,060 --> 02:31:31,040
some copy where he said they
mentioned specifically, instead

2628
02:31:31,040 --> 02:31:34,700
of using congressman or
Congresswoman, he used state

2629
02:31:34,700 --> 02:31:40,360
representative. And the copy
editor came back at him. He

2630
02:31:40,360 --> 02:31:43,480
says, no, no, no, you can't do
that. It has to be. It has to

2631
02:31:43,480 --> 02:31:48,040
be, or it was a congress person.
He said, It has to be a congress

2632
02:31:48,040 --> 02:31:53,260
person. He says, why a congress
person? He said. And the copy

2633
02:31:53,260 --> 02:31:57,880
editor, who was a woman, said,
We We only use gender neutral

2634
02:31:57,880 --> 02:32:00,420
terms at the magazine, as

2635
02:32:00,420 --> 02:32:02,880
Adam Curry: if representative
isn't gender neutral,

2636
02:32:04,620 --> 02:32:09,120
John C Dvorak: exactly what he
said. He said to her, how is

2637
02:32:09,180 --> 02:32:13,680
representative not gender
neutral? And she said to him,

2638
02:32:13,680 --> 02:32:17,100
and I think this is reflected in
the clip I just played 40 years

2639
02:32:17,100 --> 02:32:22,760
later, she said to him, yes,
it's true, but we want to make

2640
02:32:22,760 --> 02:32:27,260
it we want to make it known to
the reader that we care, that

2641
02:32:27,260 --> 02:32:32,180
we're using gender, gender
neutral terms. So we used person

2642
02:32:32,840 --> 02:32:37,220
Congress, person esthetic
representative. So it's, it's a

2643
02:32:37,220 --> 02:32:41,920
form of virtue signaling. It's a
form of code, yeah. So you say,

2644
02:32:41,920 --> 02:32:45,340
Look, I'm, I'm on your side. I
am. I am this person. I'm a

2645
02:32:45,340 --> 02:32:51,160
Democrat. Is what it amounts to,
yes. So you have to write, you

2646
02:32:51,160 --> 02:32:54,160
might as well put I'm a Democrat
right at the beginning, because

2647
02:32:54,160 --> 02:32:56,560
that's what you're doing. When
you can't use the word

2648
02:32:56,560 --> 02:33:00,900
representative, you have to use
Congress person. I was, I've

2649
02:33:00,900 --> 02:33:04,320
been offended by that for ever
since. I'm glad

2650
02:33:04,320 --> 02:33:06,840
Adam Curry: you got it off your
chest. I don't recall this

2651
02:33:06,900 --> 02:33:07,680
story. Yeah, well,

2652
02:33:07,680 --> 02:33:09,720
John C Dvorak: I'll probably
tell it again 10 years from now.

2653
02:33:09,720 --> 02:33:10,200
I

2654
02:33:10,200 --> 02:33:14,100
Adam Curry: don't think so, if
we have four more years, not 10,

2655
02:33:14,280 --> 02:33:17,220
by the way, thank you everybody
for reminding me and correcting

2656
02:33:17,220 --> 02:33:22,100
me that we are in our fifth
election cycle on the show, not

2657
02:33:22,100 --> 02:33:27,800
fourth, fifth. We've had five.
Wait, am I saying that right

2658
02:33:27,800 --> 02:33:28,160
now?

2659
02:33:28,460 --> 02:33:29,840
John C Dvorak: Hold on, yeah.
Hold

2660
02:33:29,840 --> 02:33:33,500
Adam Curry: on. Oh, my got it
from here we go. Obama, McCain,

2661
02:33:34,100 --> 02:33:41,140
2008 Yes. Obama, Romney, 2012
Trump, Clinton, 2016 Trump,

2662
02:33:41,140 --> 02:33:45,820
Biden 2020 and we're now in the
fifth Trump Biden Harris, 2024

2663
02:33:46,300 --> 02:33:50,080
this is our fifth, our fifth
trip around the election cycle.

2664
02:33:50,440 --> 02:33:52,180
John C Dvorak: Yes, that's why
we know so much

2665
02:33:54,040 --> 02:33:57,640
Adam Curry: about about babies,
and that's why people come here

2666
02:33:58,120 --> 02:34:01,680
to hear about babies from
ticktockers. All right, let's do

2667
02:34:01,680 --> 02:34:02,940
your last one. Just to

2668
02:34:03,540 --> 02:34:05,760
John C Dvorak: one is not as
good as the other two, but it's,

2669
02:34:06,000 --> 02:34:09,060
it's, but I thought it was an
interesting it's educationalist,

2670
02:34:09,360 --> 02:34:13,440
a food activist who's very
famous, and they've somebody put

2671
02:34:13,440 --> 02:34:16,260
a bunch of her Tiktok stuff
together to tell her. Her

2672
02:34:16,260 --> 02:34:19,500
message is that American
corporations are poisoning what

2673
02:34:19,500 --> 02:34:23,240
I believe this is somewhat true
poisoning the American public.

2674
02:34:23,240 --> 02:34:24,320
Thank you very much.

2675
02:34:24,320 --> 02:34:27,140
Unknown: Oh, for sure, in the
US, there's 11 ingredients. In

2676
02:34:27,140 --> 02:34:31,040
the UK, there's three, and salt
is optional, an ingredient

2677
02:34:31,040 --> 02:34:34,400
called methyl polysiloxane is an
ingredient preserved with

2678
02:34:34,400 --> 02:34:39,020
formaldehyde, a neurotoxin. This
is Skittles. Notice the long

2679
02:34:39,020 --> 02:34:43,120
list of ingredient differences,
10 artificial dyes in the US

2680
02:34:43,120 --> 02:34:47,320
version and titanium dioxide,
this ingredient is banned in

2681
02:34:47,320 --> 02:34:51,940
Europe because it can cause DNA
damage. Artificial dyes are made

2682
02:34:51,940 --> 02:34:55,180
from petroleum, and products
containing these dyes require a

2683
02:34:55,180 --> 02:34:58,240
warning label in Europe, and
they have been linked to cancer

2684
02:34:58,240 --> 02:35:01,140
and disruptions in the immune
system. Hmm. This on the screen

2685
02:35:01,140 --> 02:35:05,880
back here, is Gatorade. In the
US, they use red 40 and caramel

2686
02:35:05,880 --> 02:35:09,480
color. In Germany, they don't.
They use carrot and sweet

2687
02:35:09,480 --> 02:35:13,560
potatoes to color their
Gatorade. This is Doritos. The

2688
02:35:13,560 --> 02:35:18,360
US version has three different
artificial dyes and MSG. The UK

2689
02:35:18,360 --> 02:35:21,740
version does not General Mills.
Is definitely playing some

2690
02:35:21,740 --> 02:35:25,760
tricks on us. They launched a
new version of tricks just

2691
02:35:25,760 --> 02:35:30,980
recently in Australia. It has no
dyes. They even advertised that

2692
02:35:31,100 --> 02:35:35,780
when the US version still does.
This is why I became a food

2693
02:35:35,780 --> 02:35:41,020
activist. My name is Bonnie Hari
and I only want one thing. I

2694
02:35:41,020 --> 02:35:45,100
want Americans to be treated the
same way as citizens in other

2695
02:35:45,100 --> 02:35:48,400
countries by our own American
companies.

2696
02:35:49,120 --> 02:35:51,940
Adam Curry: Yeah, this was from
the Ron Johnson hearing that

2697
02:35:52,420 --> 02:35:55,000
your buddy Jillian Michaels
appeared

2698
02:35:55,060 --> 02:35:57,400
John C Dvorak: at the beginning
of it starts off at the 11

2699
02:35:57,400 --> 02:36:02,640
ingredients versus the three.
And that was about McDonald's

2700
02:36:02,640 --> 02:36:03,840
french fries.

2701
02:36:03,900 --> 02:36:06,240
Adam Curry: It's disgusting.
It's a really good hearing.

2702
02:36:06,240 --> 02:36:10,260
People should take a look at it,
because that will save your life

2703
02:36:10,260 --> 02:36:14,940
just by not eating this junk.
But all of it is just like

2704
02:36:14,940 --> 02:36:19,920
advertising gambling, as we
started the show today, that if

2705
02:36:19,920 --> 02:36:22,880
you walk in the supermarket.
It's, it's just, it's like a

2706
02:36:22,880 --> 02:36:26,720
cartoon, like all kinds of
colors that attract the

2707
02:36:26,720 --> 02:36:31,340
children, mommy, mommy, mommy, I
want this one, Mommy. You know,

2708
02:36:31,880 --> 02:36:33,800
it's nasty. It

2709
02:36:33,800 --> 02:36:34,940
John C Dvorak: should be
illegal.

2710
02:36:35,000 --> 02:36:37,340
Adam Curry: I don't know why
that qualifies as a tick tock

2711
02:36:37,340 --> 02:36:39,620
clip. There was just a clip that
you found on time.

2712
02:36:39,740 --> 02:36:40,880
John C Dvorak: Sorry about it.

2713
02:36:43,120 --> 02:36:45,640
Adam Curry: Right? I was No, all
right, since you offended me

2714
02:36:45,640 --> 02:36:50,080
with that, I'm going to offend
you with a clip which is an

2715
02:36:50,080 --> 02:36:55,660
illegal clip. It's illegal to
play this clip, illegal by show

2716
02:36:55,660 --> 02:36:56,500
standards.

2717
02:36:56,620 --> 02:37:00,580
John C Dvorak: However, it's not
Rachel Maddow, is it? No,

2718
02:37:00,760 --> 02:37:05,280
Adam Curry: it's not a felony,
it's just it's a misdemeanor,

2719
02:37:06,300 --> 02:37:11,280
although it's close to felony.
But the W carry, yes, W, E, F,

2720
02:37:11,280 --> 02:37:17,940
the World Economic Forum has a
has a summer session, and this

2721
02:37:17,940 --> 02:37:20,840
was about the sustainable
develop development goals. All a

2722
02:37:20,840 --> 02:37:27,320
part of climate week. And this
should anybody who was thinking

2723
02:37:27,380 --> 02:37:33,920
of voting for, I would just say
Kamala Harris should rethink it,

2724
02:37:34,280 --> 02:37:38,480
because this is the general
thinking of the elites in the

2725
02:37:38,480 --> 02:37:44,020
Democrat Party. And John Kerry
is, without a doubt, one of the

2726
02:37:44,020 --> 02:37:49,660
elites he has married into the
Heinz fortune. He you know, he's

2727
02:37:49,660 --> 02:37:55,120
a douchebag. He's an incredible
patrician with a very big

2728
02:37:55,120 --> 02:37:59,320
watermelon sized head. But
listen to what he thinks about

2729
02:37:59,320 --> 02:38:02,940
the First Amendment and the
right to say whatever you want

2730
02:38:02,940 --> 02:38:08,040
to say. And I will precede this
clip by saying the terms

2731
02:38:08,040 --> 02:38:13,740
misinformation, disinformation,
Mal, information is all bull

2732
02:38:13,740 --> 02:38:19,800
crap. There is information. It's
just information. Everything I'm

2733
02:38:19,800 --> 02:38:22,400
sure that has a technical term
in language. When you put

2734
02:38:22,400 --> 02:38:24,320
something in front of it, what
is that called?

2735
02:38:25,940 --> 02:38:27,740
Unknown: The prefix? Is that
called

2736
02:38:27,740 --> 02:38:33,800
Adam Curry: a prefix? Yeah. And
on top of that, there are no

2737
02:38:33,800 --> 02:38:37,580
secrets, only information you
don't yet have. So it's only

2738
02:38:37,580 --> 02:38:41,440
information. But this is the
kind of thinking that goes on in

2739
02:38:41,440 --> 02:38:46,120
the upper elitist echelons of
the Democrat party as it is

2740
02:38:46,120 --> 02:38:46,660
today,

2741
02:38:46,720 --> 02:38:51,880
Unknown: the dislike of and
anguish over social media is

2742
02:38:51,880 --> 02:38:56,440
just growing and growing and
growing as part of our problem,

2743
02:38:56,440 --> 02:39:01,140
particularly in democracies, In
terms of building consensus

2744
02:39:01,140 --> 02:39:06,120
around any issue. It's really
hard to govern today. You can't,

2745
02:39:06,120 --> 02:39:09,180
you know, there's no the
referees we used to have to

2746
02:39:09,180 --> 02:39:13,140
determine what's a fact and what
isn't a fact that kind of been

2747
02:39:13,140 --> 02:39:13,800
eviscerated.

2748
02:39:15,840 --> 02:39:18,120
John C Dvorak: You have to back
it up. And when you hear the

2749
02:39:18,120 --> 02:39:23,240
word referee, replace it in your
mind with gatekeeper? Yeah,

2750
02:39:23,840 --> 02:39:27,320
Adam Curry: and by the way, it's
so hard to govern these days

2751
02:39:29,840 --> 02:39:33,500
Unknown: in terms of building
consensus around any issue. It's

2752
02:39:33,500 --> 02:39:38,240
really hard to govern today. You
can't, you know, there's no the

2753
02:39:38,240 --> 02:39:41,560
referees we used to have to
determine what's a fact and what

2754
02:39:41,560 --> 02:39:45,460
isn't a fact that kind of been
eviscerated to a certain degree,

2755
02:39:46,180 --> 02:39:51,040
and people go and that people
self select where they go for

2756
02:39:51,040 --> 02:39:53,920
their news or for their
information, and then you just

2757
02:39:53,920 --> 02:39:57,400
get into a vicious cycle, yeah,
especially podcasts. So it's

2758
02:39:57,400 --> 02:39:59,920
really, really hard, much
harder, to build consent.

2759
02:40:00,000 --> 02:40:03,900
Instance, today that at any time
in the 4550 years I've been

2760
02:40:03,900 --> 02:40:07,560
involved in this and and, you
know, there's a lot of

2761
02:40:07,560 --> 02:40:13,260
discussion now about how you
curb those entities in order to

2762
02:40:13,260 --> 02:40:15,840
guarantee that you're going to
have, you know, some

2763
02:40:15,840 --> 02:40:20,040
accountability on facts, etc.
But look, if people go to only

2764
02:40:20,040 --> 02:40:25,400
one source, and the source they
go to is sick and, you know, has

2765
02:40:25,400 --> 02:40:29,960
an agenda, and they're putting
out disinformation. Our first

2766
02:40:29,960 --> 02:40:33,440
amendment stands as a major
block to the ability to be able

2767
02:40:33,440 --> 02:40:37,400
to just, you know, hammer it out
of existence. So what you need,

2768
02:40:37,700 --> 02:40:43,120
we need is to, is to win the
ground, win the right to govern

2769
02:40:43,240 --> 02:40:48,040
by hopefully having winning
enough votes that you're free to

2770
02:40:48,040 --> 02:40:53,500
be able to to implement change.
Now, obviously, there are some

2771
02:40:53,500 --> 02:40:56,020
people in our country who are
prepared to implement change in

2772
02:40:56,020 --> 02:40:56,680
other ways.

2773
02:40:58,060 --> 02:40:59,800
Is that unbelievable? Or what?

2774
02:41:02,560 --> 02:41:06,600
John C Dvorak: You know, he, I
think he caught himself and he

2775
02:41:06,600 --> 02:41:09,180
tried to beat around the bush,
because after he talked about

2776
02:41:09,180 --> 02:41:11,580
the First Amendment being an
impediment,

2777
02:41:13,140 --> 02:41:16,020
Adam Curry: What a nuisance that
thing was a nuisance,

2778
02:41:16,020 --> 02:41:19,620
John C Dvorak: an impediment.
He, he kind of, it must have

2779
02:41:19,620 --> 02:41:23,600
went right through his brain.
Oh, you dumb shithead. You said

2780
02:41:23,600 --> 02:41:26,780
the wrong thing here. Now, try
to get out of it, because he

2781
02:41:26,780 --> 02:41:33,080
seemed to be fishing after that.
Yeah, I saw that.

2782
02:41:33,200 --> 02:41:37,880
Adam Curry: I just found this. I
found it incredible, incredible

2783
02:41:38,780 --> 02:41:43,300
paint. And that's the thinking,
you know, just this first

2784
02:41:43,300 --> 02:41:46,060
amendment is annoying and people
and we don't have any more

2785
02:41:46,060 --> 02:41:51,820
referees. We need referees like
Brian Williams, good referees.

2786
02:41:52,000 --> 02:41:59,620
All right, have to play this.
Since we do have a a an

2787
02:41:59,620 --> 02:42:03,780
appearance in our end of show
mixes, the mayor is back. Yes,

2788
02:42:03,780 --> 02:42:07,560
yay. Very excited to have the
mayor back on the show. You.

2789
02:42:07,920 --> 02:42:12,960
Thank you, Mayor Sir. Michael
Anthony. Mayor Adams and I have

2790
02:42:12,960 --> 02:42:15,720
two clips here. The first is a
little background. You know,

2791
02:42:15,720 --> 02:42:17,940
John C Dvorak: I sorry, I call
him Mark Anthony in the last No,

2792
02:42:17,940 --> 02:42:18,120
it's

2793
02:42:18,120 --> 02:42:21,020
Adam Curry: sir, Michael
Anthony. Have a little update

2794
02:42:21,020 --> 02:42:27,020
here on from CBS on the latest
with Maya Adams,

2795
02:42:27,380 --> 02:42:28,460
Unknown: fortunate day,

2796
02:42:29,540 --> 02:42:33,500
and it's a painful day. New York
City Mayor Eric Adams asked New

2797
02:42:33,500 --> 02:42:36,500
Yorkers to reserve judgment
shortly after a federal

2798
02:42:36,500 --> 02:42:40,040
indictment was unsealed accusing
him of engaging in a long

2799
02:42:40,040 --> 02:42:43,660
running conspiracy involving
illegal campaign contributions

2800
02:42:43,780 --> 02:42:50,380
charges, he denies the five
count indictment includes

2801
02:42:50,380 --> 02:42:54,220
charges of bribery, wire fraud
and two charges relating to

2802
02:42:54,220 --> 02:42:58,120
receiving campaign contributions
from foreign nationals. Sum up,

2803
02:42:58,120 --> 02:43:02,100
federal prosecutors say Adams
accepted more than $100,000 in

2804
02:43:02,100 --> 02:43:05,580
luxury travel benefits from
Turkish officials in exchange

2805
02:43:05,580 --> 02:43:08,940
for favors. In one instance,
they say Adams pressured the New

2806
02:43:08,940 --> 02:43:12,600
York City Fire Department to let
Turkey open a new diplomatic

2807
02:43:12,600 --> 02:43:15,420
building here despite safety
concerns,

2808
02:43:15,660 --> 02:43:16,800
the Turkish official got

2809
02:43:16,800 --> 02:43:19,260
what he wanted, and as we
explained in the indictment,

2810
02:43:19,320 --> 02:43:23,600
just four days after Adams held
up his end of the bargain, he

2811
02:43:23,600 --> 02:43:27,320
went right back to soliciting
more travel benefits from the

2812
02:43:27,320 --> 02:43:31,040
Turkish airline. This is just
one of at least four federal

2813
02:43:31,040 --> 02:43:34,940
investigations into Adams or his
inner circle. At least three

2814
02:43:34,940 --> 02:43:37,820
high ranking city employees have
already resigned in recent

2815
02:43:37,820 --> 02:43:41,440
weeks. This is unprecedented.
Their CBS News legal contributor

2816
02:43:41,440 --> 02:43:44,680
Caroline polici says prosecutors
must think they have a strong

2817
02:43:44,680 --> 02:43:48,940
case to indict the sitting
mayor, a first in city history.

2818
02:43:49,000 --> 02:43:49,240
You

2819
02:43:49,240 --> 02:43:52,180
have to believe that prosecutors
feel that they can not only

2820
02:43:52,180 --> 02:43:55,840
convict Mayor Adams at trial,
but sustain that conviction.

2821
02:43:56,140 --> 02:43:56,620
Adams

2822
02:43:56,620 --> 02:43:59,500
has vowed to remain in office
while he fights the charges,

2823
02:43:59,740 --> 02:44:02,400
Adam Curry: so the show.
Consensus on this, which you

2824
02:44:02,400 --> 02:44:07,800
reminded of us on the last
episode, is this is entirely

2825
02:44:07,800 --> 02:44:13,080
because he started complaining
about the illegal immigrants,

2826
02:44:13,140 --> 02:44:17,880
I'm sorry, the newcomers
flooding New York City, and he

2827
02:44:17,880 --> 02:44:21,920
went against the Biden Harris
administration, and that this is

2828
02:44:21,920 --> 02:44:26,960
retaliation. Well, son of a gun,
wouldn't you know it? I

2829
02:44:26,960 --> 02:44:31,580
Unknown: will say this I watched
about a year ago when he talked

2830
02:44:31,580 --> 02:44:35,060
about how the illegal migrants
are hurting our city, and the

2831
02:44:35,060 --> 02:44:38,180
federal government should pay
us, and we shouldn't have to

2832
02:44:38,180 --> 02:44:42,040
take him. And I said, You know
what? He'll be indicted within a

2833
02:44:42,040 --> 02:44:46,060
year, and I was exactly right,
because that's what we have. We

2834
02:44:46,060 --> 02:44:53,140
have people that use the Justice
Department and the FBI at levels

2835
02:44:53,140 --> 02:44:56,380
that have never been seen
before. So I wish him luck. I

2836
02:44:56,380 --> 02:45:00,120
don't know anything about what
he did, but I told a lot. A

2837
02:45:00,120 --> 02:45:02,940
group, a lot of people right
over there. That group was

2838
02:45:02,940 --> 02:45:05,340
saying, you know, so you were
right about that. When they

2839
02:45:05,340 --> 02:45:10,080
mentioned that, I said they came
in, and he was pretty strong

2840
02:45:10,080 --> 02:45:13,800
about it. He said, This is
really unfair to make us carry

2841
02:45:13,800 --> 02:45:16,200
this burden. We shouldn't be
doing this. This is New York

2842
02:45:16,200 --> 02:45:20,100
City. I mean, your parks are
loaded up. I just passed

2843
02:45:20,100 --> 02:45:23,420
recently, Madison Avenue, the
Roosevelt Hotel. It's like

2844
02:45:23,420 --> 02:45:27,800
nobody would recognize it.
That's Midtown, but he came out

2845
02:45:27,800 --> 02:45:31,640
very strongly against it. He was
right, by the way, because it's

2846
02:45:31,640 --> 02:45:35,600
ruining our country. He was
honest. And I said he will be

2847
02:45:35,600 --> 02:45:38,480
indicted within a year, and
that's what happened. And I

2848
02:45:38,480 --> 02:45:41,440
noticed the indictment is very
old. This goes back a long time,

2849
02:45:41,860 --> 02:45:45,700
so I wish him well, but I said
that he will be indicted because

2850
02:45:45,700 --> 02:45:47,860
he did that. You take a look.
That's what they do. These are

2851
02:45:47,860 --> 02:45:52,360
dirty players. These are bad
people. They cheat and they do

2852
02:45:52,360 --> 02:45:56,440
anything necessary. These are
bad people, and we need an

2853
02:45:56,440 --> 02:45:59,860
honest Justice Department. We
need an honest FBI, and we need

2854
02:45:59,860 --> 02:46:01,800
it fast, boom,

2855
02:46:02,280 --> 02:46:03,180
Deep Dive.

2856
02:46:04,920 --> 02:46:09,120
John C Dvorak: I have a I have
another PBS version of the up of

2857
02:46:09,120 --> 02:46:12,420
the mayor being indicted. If you
want to play it, it's only 33

2858
02:46:12,660 --> 02:46:16,500
seconds. It sums things up a
little bit. I think your clips

2859
02:46:16,500 --> 02:46:19,320
are better, but I want to get
this one played anyway. Also

2860
02:46:19,320 --> 02:46:22,460
Unknown: today, New York Mayor
Eric Adams pleaded not guilty to

2861
02:46:22,460 --> 02:46:25,940
bribery and other charges in
federal court. He's accused of

2862
02:46:25,940 --> 02:46:29,000
accepting illegal campaign
contributions and gifts from

2863
02:46:29,000 --> 02:46:32,840
Turkish nationals in exchange
for using his position to help

2864
02:46:32,840 --> 02:46:36,500
Turkey's interests. Adams did
not speak on his way into the

2865
02:46:36,500 --> 02:46:39,260
Manhattan courthouse, but
flashed a thumbs up to the

2866
02:46:39,260 --> 02:46:42,880
crowd. His lawyer said he will
file a motion next week to

2867
02:46:42,880 --> 02:46:46,420
request that the charges be
dismissed. Adams was released

2868
02:46:46,420 --> 02:46:49,240
after the hearing. He has said
he won't resign and will

2869
02:46:49,240 --> 02:46:51,880
continue to conduct city
business as usual.

2870
02:46:52,720 --> 02:46:55,180
Adam Curry: The Department of
Justice, man, they are against

2871
02:46:55,180 --> 02:46:58,900
the American people. No matter
who you are, they are

2872
02:46:58,900 --> 02:46:59,680
weaponized.

2873
02:46:59,920 --> 02:47:02,280
John C Dvorak: They have an
agenda, and if you don't follow

2874
02:47:02,280 --> 02:47:06,120
it, you're screwed. And part of
following it is accepting a

2875
02:47:06,120 --> 02:47:09,420
bunch of illegal aliens,
criminals, and who knows, who

2876
02:47:09,420 --> 02:47:13,380
else into the country and liking
it. Did

2877
02:47:13,380 --> 02:47:17,640
Adam Curry: you see Massey
grilling the inspector general

2878
02:47:18,960 --> 02:47:22,100
Horowitz, who is the Inspector
General for the FBI.

2879
02:47:23,600 --> 02:47:25,700
John C Dvorak: I don't think I
did. Oh, so

2880
02:47:25,700 --> 02:47:28,820
Adam Curry: mass have it? Yeah,
I do. Massey, whose wife, just

2881
02:47:28,820 --> 02:47:32,660
passed away, you know, suddenly.
And this guy, I think he's, he

2882
02:47:32,660 --> 02:47:36,680
already was just like, I'm gonna
say whatever. I think he's just

2883
02:47:36,980 --> 02:47:41,680
flat out everywhere now, like,
nope, nope. He's going against

2884
02:47:41,680 --> 02:47:42,340
the Republic. I

2885
02:47:42,340 --> 02:47:45,220
John C Dvorak: think he believes
his wife was murdered. I

2886
02:47:45,280 --> 02:47:48,520
Adam Curry: wouldn't put it past
people. You know, once he went

2887
02:47:48,520 --> 02:47:50,920
on Tucker Carlson and said a
whole bunch of things, all of a

2888
02:47:50,920 --> 02:47:56,800
sudden, she died. Suddenly.
Yeah, horrible. So here he is.

2889
02:47:57,280 --> 02:48:02,520
This is about January 6. He's
specifically interested in

2890
02:48:02,520 --> 02:48:07,860
footage of the pipe bomber who
put the pipe bomb down at the

2891
02:48:07,860 --> 02:48:11,820
DNC, which we've seen. This
footage, I think it's on

2892
02:48:11,820 --> 02:48:18,720
YouTube. You've seen it, right?
Oh, yeah, but no, no, no, no,

2893
02:48:18,720 --> 02:48:19,080
no.

2894
02:48:19,140 --> 02:48:23,060
Unknown: We've got a failed FBI,
failed investigation of the

2895
02:48:23,060 --> 02:48:26,180
January 6 pipe bomb. Are you
looking into that at all?

2896
02:48:27,200 --> 02:48:30,560
We've had discussion. I know
Congressman about it, and we

2897
02:48:30,560 --> 02:48:33,800
have followed up, and I can
speak to you about that. Mean

2898
02:48:33,800 --> 02:48:36,320
they keep saying it's ongoing
investigation, but they've got

2899
02:48:36,320 --> 02:48:40,360
no leads, no suspects. They've
lost information. They've lost

2900
02:48:40,360 --> 02:48:43,840
evidence. They can't find
evidence. Secret Service deleted

2901
02:48:43,840 --> 02:48:47,560
all of its texts on January 6.
Steve dantwan, oh, the guy in

2902
02:48:47,560 --> 02:48:50,380
charge Washington, DC field
office says that the cell phone

2903
02:48:50,380 --> 02:48:53,380
data that would could have been
used to find the bomber was

2904
02:48:53,380 --> 02:48:58,180
corrupted. And now we just found
out. I found out from an from

2905
02:48:58,180 --> 02:49:01,380
another Inspector General, and I
want to submit this for the

2906
02:49:01,380 --> 02:49:08,100
record. Yeah, he I asked him, Do
you have the footage? The video

2907
02:49:08,100 --> 02:49:11,820
footage? Does the FBI have the
video footage of the DNC on

2908
02:49:11,820 --> 02:49:16,200
January 6? And he tells me, when
he asked the FBI for the video

2909
02:49:16,200 --> 02:49:19,860
footage, they don't even have
video footage of the DNC that we

2910
02:49:19,860 --> 02:49:23,960
know was created on January 6.
It's almost, I mean, so it's

2911
02:49:23,960 --> 02:49:27,080
almost as if they don't want to
know. Can you rule out that

2912
02:49:27,080 --> 02:49:29,720
there were any confidential
human sources involved in the

2913
02:49:29,720 --> 02:49:32,720
whole pipe bomb thing on January
6? I'm

2914
02:49:32,720 --> 02:49:36,560
not. I'd have to go back
congressman and refresh myself

2915
02:49:36,560 --> 02:49:40,840
on what we've information we've
gathered to date on that I don't

2916
02:49:40,840 --> 02:49:43,900
know as I sit here, okay, that
would be a huge revelation, and

2917
02:49:43,900 --> 02:49:44,500
happy to come.

2918
02:49:44,560 --> 02:49:47,140
I think we should get that and
get it public before the

2919
02:49:47,140 --> 02:49:48,340
election. I yield back,

2920
02:49:51,700 --> 02:49:54,160
Adam Curry: they deleted text
messages because that's what you

2921
02:49:54,160 --> 02:49:57,940
do, yeah, if you're Hillary
Clinton against

2922
02:49:57,940 --> 02:49:59,500
John C Dvorak: the law to do
that, but they do it anyway.

2923
02:49:59,560 --> 02:50:05,280
Yeah? Well, I have one last
little clip here that might be

2924
02:50:05,280 --> 02:50:11,100
interesting. This is 13 seconds.
It's not much, but this is just

2925
02:50:11,100 --> 02:50:14,640
because they keep talking about
now. Now you know they don't

2926
02:50:14,640 --> 02:50:18,900
want to ban gas stoves. I don't
know where you get that from.

2927
02:50:19,800 --> 02:50:20,720
This is Newsom.

2928
02:50:23,060 --> 02:50:26,480
Unknown: California's Governor
Gavin Newsom has vetoed a bill

2929
02:50:26,480 --> 02:50:29,900
that would have required tobacco
style health warnings on gas

2930
02:50:29,900 --> 02:50:32,780
stoves. It's a setback for
climate and public health

2931
02:50:32,780 --> 02:50:36,560
advocates to encourage the shift
to all electric home appliances.

2932
02:50:38,540 --> 02:50:41,500
John C Dvorak: We have all
electric in Washington state, in

2933
02:50:41,500 --> 02:50:43,720
our area, it sucks.

2934
02:50:44,740 --> 02:50:47,200
Unknown: I'm gonna show my food
by donating to no agenda.

2935
02:50:47,320 --> 02:50:50,380
Imagine all the people who could
do that. Oh yeah, that'd be fun.

2936
02:50:50,380 --> 02:50:50,680
All right.

2937
02:50:57,340 --> 02:50:59,500
Adam Curry: Everybody remember,
we do have John SIPP the day

2938
02:50:59,500 --> 02:51:02,820
coming up. The mayor returns in
our end of show mixes. And of

2939
02:51:02,820 --> 02:51:05,220
course, we've got another
fantastic show coming up next on

2940
02:51:05,220 --> 02:51:08,340
the no agenda stream. But first,
we need to thank our producers

2941
02:51:08,520 --> 02:51:13,140
who came in $50 and above. And
again, thank you to everyone who

2942
02:51:13,140 --> 02:51:16,380
has a sustaining donation. You
can support the show by going to

2943
02:51:16,380 --> 02:51:20,400
no agenda donations.com. John,
yes,

2944
02:51:20,580 --> 02:51:23,720
John C Dvorak: yes. Yes.
Christiansen starts us off. He's

2945
02:51:23,720 --> 02:51:31,820
in Australia, 115, 87 which is,
could be $200 I'll have to, I'll

2946
02:51:31,820 --> 02:51:35,960
do a calculation on that money
before we're done. And overlaps.

2947
02:51:36,020 --> 02:51:41,500
Please do, please do, Laura and
Dieter and Dieter de Laura Lara,

2948
02:51:41,500 --> 02:51:45,940
Lara and Dieter, Dieter and
they're in London, UK, $111.11

2949
02:51:48,820 --> 02:51:55,960
uh, big fans haven't missed the
show since Joe roe sir Robertson

2950
02:51:55,960 --> 02:52:02,980
of Two sticks in DOS follows
California, um, $101.79 is 40.

2951
02:52:02,980 --> 02:52:06,360
45th birthday, same day as
former President Jimmy Carter.

2952
02:52:06,360 --> 02:52:12,120
He reaches 100 if he's alive.
Jay Baker, in Norman, Oklahoma,

2953
02:52:12,120 --> 02:52:14,040
$100 he needs a deducing.

2954
02:52:14,400 --> 02:52:16,020
Unknown: Oh, sorry, here we go.

2955
02:52:17,760 --> 02:52:20,360
You've been deduced. Kevin

2956
02:52:20,360 --> 02:52:23,600
John C Dvorak: McLaughlin, 8008.
He's the Archduke of Luna, lover

2957
02:52:23,600 --> 02:52:26,420
of American boobs. And that's a
boobs donation. That's the only

2958
02:52:26,420 --> 02:52:33,380
one. Jonathan dowdy in Dallas,
Texas, 7903 Gary Blatt in

2959
02:52:33,380 --> 02:52:42,820
Ashland, Kentucky, 7777 Jorge
Alvarez and Pont Vedra Beach,

2960
02:52:42,820 --> 02:52:52,000
Florida, probably Ponte 7171
Jaron snelders in Ennis, Texas.

2961
02:53:00,100 --> 02:53:08,640
Nelders in Ennis, Texas, 66
Craig Kohler in Evansville,

2962
02:53:08,700 --> 02:53:13,080
Illinois, 65 Oh. There you go.
There's your 6502 donation your

2963
02:53:13,920 --> 02:53:19,020
chip heads. Robert Ross in
Richmond, Virginia, 606 small

2964
02:53:19,020 --> 02:53:25,220
boobs and Jamie Buell, also 606.
Fifth Vista, California. Johan

2965
02:53:25,220 --> 02:53:29,900
seagers, in Bri Belgium, Belgium
Belgium. Bray, 56

2966
02:53:30,200 --> 02:53:34,580
Adam Curry: Bray. Johan Sayers,

2967
02:53:35,720 --> 02:53:39,500
John C Dvorak: he's in Belgium,
yeah, and he's came in with 5856

2968
02:53:41,420 --> 02:53:47,560
Nicholas Oman in Dilworth,
Minnesota, 5658 56 this must be

2969
02:53:47,560 --> 02:53:50,920
some 50 some other donation
number that's been jacked up.

2970
02:53:51,580 --> 02:53:57,640
Eric otega in Sioux Falls, South
Dakota, 5809 uh. Never stopped.

2971
02:53:57,640 --> 02:54:03,120
Never stopping. Cynthia, Sarve.
Sarvey, I think Sarve in

2972
02:54:03,120 --> 02:54:10,380
Manchester, New Hampshire, 5568
she's Baroness salty ketchup. Oh

2973
02:54:10,380 --> 02:54:12,780
no, no, it's Baroness salty
ketchup. Punched her in the

2974
02:54:12,780 --> 02:54:16,320
mouth. Oh, and she's now hooked,
hooked.

2975
02:54:16,680 --> 02:54:17,460
Unknown: He's hooked,

2976
02:54:17,760 --> 02:54:22,340
John C Dvorak: not by gambling.
Mark Hardwick in Aledo, Texas,

2977
02:54:22,640 --> 02:54:28,040
5333 now regard the 50s already.
It's a short list again. Luckily

2978
02:54:28,040 --> 02:54:32,120
for the Commodores, we're doing
okay. The 30 let's go with

2979
02:54:32,180 --> 02:54:36,500
Michael Elmore in Gastonia,
North Carolina. Aaron Weiss

2980
02:54:36,560 --> 02:54:41,380
Gerber in Bend Oregon. John
Taylor in florescent Colorado,

2981
02:54:42,220 --> 02:54:46,480
Sir Richard Gardner, I believe,
New York City. Charles Tracy

2982
02:54:46,480 --> 02:54:50,620
Hickory, North Carolina. Zev
green, Zev in Teaneck, New

2983
02:54:50,620 --> 02:54:59,860
Jersey. Hinaki, Esparza
elleriaga in Mexico City. The.

2984
02:55:00,000 --> 02:55:06,360
David Steele in Mobile, Alabama
or mobile. Edwin Torres in San

2985
02:55:06,360 --> 02:55:12,060
Antonio, Texas. Leif Thompson in
Meridian, Idaho. Justin Kaler in

2986
02:55:12,060 --> 02:55:19,680
blefin, Indiana. Robert
drycoson, dry cosin in Oshkosh,

2987
02:55:20,040 --> 02:55:24,920
Wisconsin. And last on our short
list today is Rita Harrington.

2988
02:55:25,040 --> 02:55:30,500
Good old Rita comes in from
sparks Nevada and sends us a

2989
02:55:30,500 --> 02:55:34,400
nice, nice little ITM note.
Thank you Rita, and that's our

2990
02:55:34,400 --> 02:55:34,820
group.

2991
02:55:35,900 --> 02:55:38,540
Adam Curry: All right. Thank you
very much to all of our

2992
02:55:38,600 --> 02:55:41,440
producers for today's episode.
And again. Thank you. If you

2993
02:55:41,440 --> 02:55:44,620
came in under 50, we never read
those, usually for reasons of

2994
02:55:44,620 --> 02:55:48,100
anonymity. People like doing
4990 nines, and of course, our

2995
02:55:48,100 --> 02:55:50,860
sustaining donors. Thank you for
going to no agenda

2996
02:55:50,860 --> 02:55:54,280
donations.com, and for making
the show a possibility. Once

2997
02:55:54,280 --> 02:55:57,100
again, here's the karma for
those who requested it. Needed

2998
02:55:57,640 --> 02:56:00,160
karma, no agenda donations.com,

2999
02:56:01,060 --> 02:56:08,520
Unknown: it's sir

3000
02:56:08,520 --> 02:56:12,840
Adam Curry: RJ turns 56 on July
12. Well, that's a belated

3001
02:56:12,840 --> 02:56:17,580
birthday, but Happy birthday to
you sir Jeremy champati turns 62

3002
02:56:17,880 --> 02:56:22,760
today, and Sir Robertson of two
six turns 45 on october 1. So we

3003
02:56:22,760 --> 02:56:25,160
say happy birthday from
everybody here at the best

3004
02:56:25,160 --> 02:56:27,020
podcast in the universe.

3005
02:56:36,260 --> 02:56:36,860
Unknown: Yes. Title

3006
02:56:39,260 --> 02:56:43,120
Adam Curry: changes for today,
sir eight bit Ben upped his he

3007
02:56:43,120 --> 02:56:46,840
was on, I think on the
sustaining donations he was

3008
02:56:46,840 --> 02:56:50,920
doing. Wasn't he doing the 6502
I think so. So today he becomes

3009
02:56:50,920 --> 02:56:54,640
sir eight bit Ben Barron of
Southern Indiana, and Sir Mike

3010
02:56:54,640 --> 02:56:59,020
of ax head watch is now sir Mike
of the fair tax, liberator of

3011
02:56:59,020 --> 02:57:02,160
Michigan, 10 Baron of
Liechtenstein, and we

3012
02:57:02,160 --> 02:57:06,360
congratulate both of these men
for moving up in the peerage

3013
02:57:06,360 --> 02:57:12,540
list. Now for our Commodores,
who received an email from a 26

3014
02:57:12,840 --> 02:57:17,160
year retired Navy Mustang. His
name is Matt, and he says, As

3015
02:57:17,160 --> 02:57:20,300
JCD correctly pointed out,
Commodore was the old name for

3016
02:57:20,300 --> 02:57:24,080
the one star admirals in the
Navy. When officials embark a

3017
02:57:24,080 --> 02:57:28,220
naval vessel, they are greeted
with honors via the one MC,

3018
02:57:28,400 --> 02:57:33,620
which is our announcing system,
1am Sir, a one star Admiral or

3019
02:57:33,620 --> 02:57:37,940
Rear Admiral lower half. Holy
moly. I thought being a rear

3020
02:57:37,940 --> 02:57:40,360
admiral was bad. But if you're
the rear admiral lower half,

3021
02:57:40,360 --> 02:57:44,620
what does that mean? Would be
announced with six bells, three

3022
02:57:44,620 --> 02:57:50,500
sets of two. It would sound like
ding, ding, and they just more

3023
02:57:50,500 --> 02:57:55,000
dings. Commodore arriving. My
suggestion would be to do the

3024
02:57:55,000 --> 02:57:59,260
Boson pipe followed by the bells
to announce the new no agenda

3025
02:57:59,260 --> 02:58:03,780
Commodores, alternatively
ruffles and flourishes is also

3026
02:58:03,780 --> 02:58:08,100
appropriate for more ceremonial
occasions. Very respectfully,

3027
02:58:08,100 --> 02:58:14,460
Matt, so let me see. First, I
will get us set up here, as we

3028
02:58:14,460 --> 02:58:18,000
are about to announce all of our
Commodores. We have a number of

3029
02:58:18,000 --> 02:58:18,600
them today. You

3030
02:58:26,060 --> 02:58:28,880
apologies to everyone whose dog
just freaked out, because mine

3031
02:58:28,880 --> 02:58:33,560
certainly did when I did that
was insane. Commodore, oil

3032
02:58:33,560 --> 02:58:39,560
baron, Commodore, Harrison,
Commodore, Vic 20, Commodore,

3033
02:58:39,560 --> 02:58:42,880
Serbia coming heroic of
unsinkable two. Commodore,

3034
02:58:42,880 --> 02:58:47,440
Swizzle of the ticky realms.
Commodore, sir RJ of grand

3035
02:58:47,440 --> 02:58:52,180
point, Commodore, Cory Baker,
Commodore, Stephen crummy.

3036
02:58:52,420 --> 02:58:58,180
Commodore, sir Schwartz of
Jutland, Denmark. E o n eon, I

3037
02:58:58,180 --> 02:59:03,720
think welcome the Commodores of
the no agenda show. Your

3038
02:59:03,900 --> 02:59:06,900
certificate is coming in the
mail very soon. Thank you for

3039
02:59:06,900 --> 02:59:13,320
supporting the best podcast.
How's that, John,

3040
02:59:14,640 --> 02:59:16,980
John C Dvorak: well, I liked it
better than what you've been

3041
02:59:16,980 --> 02:59:21,560
doing. I mean, I don't think you
need to do the bells more than

3042
02:59:21,560 --> 02:59:25,700
one round of Ding, ding, ding,
ding, ding, ding, oh, that would

3043
02:59:25,700 --> 02:59:28,280
be fine right at the beginning.
I kind of like all the bells,

3044
02:59:28,280 --> 02:59:31,880
the bell, Bell, if you want to
keep ringing bells, that's fine.

3045
02:59:31,880 --> 02:59:35,840
Just, I think the bosons pipe
could be a little clearer. We

3046
02:59:35,840 --> 02:59:39,380
have to get a better clip of
that. I think it will disturb

3047
02:59:39,380 --> 02:59:40,240
the dogs. Yeah, let's

3048
02:59:40,240 --> 02:59:41,020
Adam Curry: try it again.

3049
02:59:42,700 --> 02:59:48,400
John C Dvorak: There's better
examples.

3050
02:59:48,460 --> 02:59:51,760
Adam Curry: Yeah, I'll look for
something else. We have a couple

3051
02:59:51,760 --> 02:59:56,080
of nights to bring up to the
podium. Here. We have a layaway

3052
02:59:56,080 --> 02:59:58,420
night, anonymous, Eric,
sustaining, donations, work,

3053
02:59:58,420 --> 03:00:00,960
people, accounting, attached by
lay. Away knighthood, since I've

3054
03:00:00,960 --> 03:00:03,300
never been officially deduced,
please do me the honor

3055
03:00:04,680 --> 03:00:06,480
Unknown: you've been deduced

3056
03:00:06,540 --> 03:00:10,980
Adam Curry: night me anonymous
Eric and include Oreos and milk

3057
03:00:10,980 --> 03:00:13,500
at the round table with the
biggest swords you've got.

3058
03:00:13,500 --> 03:00:15,960
Thanks to John and Adam for
making the best podcast in the

3059
03:00:15,960 --> 03:00:18,060
universe. Without it, I'd
probably be listening to Ben

3060
03:00:18,060 --> 03:00:21,140
Shapiro on double speed. But
instead, my amygdala is as

3061
03:00:21,140 --> 03:00:26,180
healthy as imagine. No, I
actually can't. Now, you'll

3062
03:00:26,180 --> 03:00:29,480
never find an exit strategy, so
you have to podcast right into

3063
03:00:29,480 --> 03:00:34,880
your graves. No jingles, just
karma, okay? Anonymous. Eric, so

3064
03:00:34,880 --> 03:00:40,780
here's the just karma for you as
requested, karma, and we will

3065
03:00:41,020 --> 03:00:44,440
grab the biggest swords that we
have. This is, this is a pretty

3066
03:00:44,440 --> 03:00:51,220
big, oh, that's, that's the
monster. All right, sir, eight

3067
03:00:51,280 --> 03:00:55,480
bit. Ben, no, I mean, sorry, who
am I talking about? No,

3068
03:00:55,960 --> 03:00:58,240
anonymous. Eric, that's who I
meant to call him. Dennis

3069
03:00:58,240 --> 03:01:01,440
Harrison and Stephen. Crummy
gentlemen, you are now knights

3070
03:01:01,440 --> 03:01:03,540
of the knowledge in the round
table. I'm very proud to

3071
03:01:03,540 --> 03:01:06,720
pronounce the KDs, sir anonymous
Eric, sir Harrison of the

3072
03:01:06,720 --> 03:01:10,440
rednecks and Sir Steve,
protector of ERISA for you.

3073
03:01:10,440 --> 03:01:16,020
We've got hookers and blow rent
boys and Chardonnay. We have wag

3074
03:01:16,260 --> 03:01:20,340
beef shabu shabu with ramen
noodles. Really beef enchiladas

3075
03:01:20,340 --> 03:01:24,620
and rocks, Margarita Oreos and
milk, warm beer and cold women,

3076
03:01:24,620 --> 03:01:28,160
sparkling cider, Nest gorge,
ginger and gerbils. Of course,

3077
03:01:28,160 --> 03:01:31,220
there's always some mutton and
Mead somewhere. So we've got

3078
03:01:31,220 --> 03:01:34,520
that mutton Mead for you. Go to
noadgenderings.com where you can

3079
03:01:34,520 --> 03:01:37,160
see the handsome night rings
that are there on display for

3080
03:01:37,160 --> 03:01:40,720
you. They are Signet rings. So
in your shipment, once you give

3081
03:01:40,720 --> 03:01:44,020
us your ring size, handy ring
sizing guide, ring finger sizing

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03:01:44,020 --> 03:01:47,260
guide on the website as well, we
will send you some wax to seal

3083
03:01:47,260 --> 03:01:50,320
your important correspondence,
and in addition to that, a

3084
03:01:50,320 --> 03:01:53,200
certificate of authenticity.
Thank you very much for

3085
03:01:53,200 --> 03:01:56,500
supporting the best podcast in
the universe. You

3086
03:02:04,320 --> 03:02:07,320
Yeah, you bet it's like a party.
All of these meetups are just

3087
03:02:07,320 --> 03:02:10,740
like parties, even if it's just
two nights in a bottle, which is

3088
03:02:10,740 --> 03:02:15,060
exactly who showed up for the
Edinburgh meetup. Oops. Hi

3089
03:02:15,060 --> 03:02:15,540
there. This

3090
03:02:15,540 --> 03:02:16,800
Unknown: is sort of Canada.

3091
03:02:19,920 --> 03:02:24,200
We are two nights in the bottle.
It's literally two

3092
03:02:25,700 --> 03:02:26,900
nights on the

3093
03:02:28,280 --> 03:02:30,680
bottle, representing no gender
in the morning.

3094
03:02:31,160 --> 03:02:33,200
Adam Curry: Two nights in a
bottle works for me. Good work.

3095
03:02:33,200 --> 03:02:35,660
Gentlemen. Thank you very much
for doing that and for sending

3096
03:02:35,660 --> 03:02:38,720
in the report. Tri Cities
Washington had their very first

3097
03:02:38,720 --> 03:02:41,440
meet up, and hence their very
first meetup report in the

3098
03:02:41,440 --> 03:02:41,800
morning.

3099
03:02:41,800 --> 03:02:44,500
Unknown: Everybody. This is
Aaron from tri city. Just want

3100
03:02:44,500 --> 03:02:47,740
to say that we had a wonderful,
successful, first ever Columbia

3101
03:02:47,740 --> 03:02:50,560
River Basin meetup here in the
Tri Cities. Hope to see some

3102
03:02:50,560 --> 03:02:52,780
people coming out next time
looks like we're going to do

3103
03:02:52,780 --> 03:02:55,660
another meetup in November.
Thank you for your courage.

3104
03:02:55,720 --> 03:02:59,080
Steve from Kennewick, here
Washington has the most

3105
03:02:59,080 --> 03:03:01,800
producers per capita than
anywhere in the nation

3106
03:03:02,040 --> 03:03:02,940
we did the work.

3107
03:03:03,240 --> 03:03:07,440
This is Trevor checking in from
Moses Lake, just coming out for

3108
03:03:07,440 --> 03:03:10,140
the first time. Having a good
old time with some no agenda,

3109
03:03:10,140 --> 03:03:13,680
listeners, producers, I mean,
looking to have more fun with

3110
03:03:13,680 --> 03:03:14,700
these guys in the future.

3111
03:03:14,820 --> 03:03:16,320
Hi, Dame

3112
03:03:16,320 --> 03:03:19,380
Janice of the bombing range.
This is so much fun

3113
03:03:20,640 --> 03:03:22,880
in the morning. Bye in

3114
03:03:23,840 --> 03:03:26,540
the morning, Adam and John sir
yogi. Night of the Carnival

3115
03:03:26,540 --> 03:03:27,560
Midway is here. He's

3116
03:03:27,620 --> 03:03:29,060
out 50 more dollars, and

3117
03:03:29,060 --> 03:03:31,580
I'll be sir silent ice cream.
Just got to get around to it. We

3118
03:03:31,580 --> 03:03:33,440
had a lot of cider. See you
later

3119
03:03:34,880 --> 03:03:36,980
in the morning. In the

3120
03:03:39,140 --> 03:03:42,100
Adam Curry: morning, I would
say, a very successful inaugural

3121
03:03:42,100 --> 03:03:44,680
meetup. These are the things you
want to go to to meet your no

3122
03:03:44,680 --> 03:03:48,160
agenda nation, boys and girls,
friends, children from other

3123
03:03:48,160 --> 03:03:51,460
lands, you may have nothing in
common except the show, and

3124
03:03:51,460 --> 03:03:55,480
that's why you will love being
there. You will connect, and

3125
03:03:55,480 --> 03:03:59,620
that connection always brings
protection. Today, the Don't be

3126
03:03:59,620 --> 03:04:03,120
a douchebag. Meetup kicks off at
530 at McNally south in Tulsa,

3127
03:04:03,120 --> 03:04:08,520
Oklahoma. We have on Monday Oh,
a rare Monday meetup, the almost

3128
03:04:08,520 --> 03:04:12,180
October surprise. 730 at the
acoustic grill, Prince Edward,

3129
03:04:12,180 --> 03:04:15,480
Ontario, Canada. Next show
today, Thursday, the North

3130
03:04:15,480 --> 03:04:19,680
Georgia monthly hurricane
meetup. Makeup meetup. Six

3131
03:04:19,680 --> 03:04:23,840
o'clock at Legends distillery in
coming north Georgia, and also

3132
03:04:23,840 --> 03:04:27,440
on Thursday, the yard sign pre
election meet up 630 at

3133
03:04:27,440 --> 03:04:31,100
Lincoln's Roadhouse in Denver,
Colorado. Many more meetups to

3134
03:04:31,100 --> 03:04:34,580
be found at no agenda
meetups.com By the way, I have a

3135
03:04:34,580 --> 03:04:38,300
note, a production note here
that the no agenda meetups.com

3136
03:04:38,780 --> 03:04:43,060
page is having some issue, sir,
Daniel, who set that up for us,

3137
03:04:43,060 --> 03:04:47,920
is working on it. Mimi says it
will be fixed, and she's putting

3138
03:04:47,920 --> 03:04:51,700
up as much info as needed. She's
working very hard on getting

3139
03:04:51,880 --> 03:04:54,580
making sure everything's up
there and accurate, and we

3140
03:04:54,580 --> 03:04:58,840
appreciate that. No agenda
meetups.com. If you can't find

3141
03:04:58,840 --> 03:05:02,640
one near you, start. Yourself is
easy and always a party.

3142
03:05:03,360 --> 03:05:07,500
Unknown: Sometimes you want to
go hang out with all the nights

3143
03:05:07,500 --> 03:05:13,560
and days. It's like a party.

3144
03:05:20,000 --> 03:05:24,440
Adam Curry: It's like a party.
Go visit one. You won't be

3145
03:05:24,440 --> 03:05:28,940
disappointed. I promise you it
is fun, fun, fun, fun, fun, till

3146
03:05:28,940 --> 03:05:33,260
your daddy takes the T bird
away. I only have one ISO, so

3147
03:05:33,260 --> 03:05:34,220
let's start with yours.

3148
03:05:35,480 --> 03:05:36,680
Unknown: Well, start with yours.

3149
03:05:36,800 --> 03:05:37,940
I will cripple you.

3150
03:05:39,080 --> 03:05:44,620
John C Dvorak: All right. I got
three I had, starting in order

3151
03:05:44,620 --> 03:05:47,200
of quality, sexy,

3152
03:05:48,160 --> 03:05:51,760
Unknown: eat that was sold so
sexy. Let me hear that again.

3153
03:05:51,820 --> 03:05:55,660
Eat that was sold so sexy. All
right,

3154
03:05:56,380 --> 03:05:58,240
John C Dvorak: how about go
home? The

3155
03:05:58,240 --> 03:05:59,740
Unknown: show is over. Now, go
home. I

3156
03:05:59,740 --> 03:06:00,780
like that a lot. I

3157
03:06:00,780 --> 03:06:01,740
Adam Curry: like that a lot.

3158
03:06:02,220 --> 03:06:05,820
John C Dvorak: Yeah, you might
like this one best best podcast

3159
03:06:05,820 --> 03:06:06,300
ever.

3160
03:06:07,920 --> 03:06:09,840
Adam Curry: We have a winner,
ladies and gentlemen, best

3161
03:06:09,840 --> 03:06:13,500
podcast ever. And now it's time
for the famous moment. John C's

3162
03:06:13,500 --> 03:06:14,880
Tip of the day and sometimes,

3163
03:06:20,000 --> 03:06:20,960
Unknown: JC, and sometimes Adam,

3164
03:06:23,960 --> 03:06:26,240
Adam Curry: I'm excited.
Everybody's excited. We're

3165
03:06:26,240 --> 03:06:27,560
always all excited to find out

3166
03:06:27,560 --> 03:06:30,020
John C Dvorak: about the tip.
Well, this is a food tip, a food

3167
03:06:30,020 --> 03:06:33,260
tip. I thought I'd bring it out,
because this is something I do.

3168
03:06:33,260 --> 03:06:37,940
There's a there's been recently,
because the avocados mostly come

3169
03:06:37,940 --> 03:06:41,260
from California and Mexico,
yeah. But in some parts of the

3170
03:06:41,260 --> 03:06:44,800
country, in fact, most of the
parts, there's a huge boom in

3171
03:06:44,800 --> 03:06:49,900
Peruvian avocados. Are they no
good? No, they're better than

3172
03:06:49,900 --> 03:06:54,580
the other ones. Oh, and let me
explain a Peruvian avocado, and

3173
03:06:54,580 --> 03:06:57,160
they come in and says, you'll
see it on the they always say,

3174
03:06:57,160 --> 03:07:01,560
where the origin of country of
origin is. And if you see a pile

3175
03:07:01,560 --> 03:07:04,860
of Peruvian avocados, what I
have to do with the reason for

3176
03:07:04,860 --> 03:07:09,360
this. This tip is, how do they
ripen? How would you tell

3177
03:07:09,720 --> 03:07:14,040
they're not like a normal Haas
avocado? Most people in

3178
03:07:14,040 --> 03:07:17,040
California and elsewhere, you
can tell how ripe and ready an

3179
03:07:17,040 --> 03:07:20,900
avocado is by kind of a firmness
group. Grab. Yeah,

3180
03:07:21,320 --> 03:07:21,980
Unknown: yeah. I

3181
03:07:21,980 --> 03:07:24,980
Adam Curry: grab. I squeeze a
little, and that kind of gives

3182
03:07:24,980 --> 03:07:28,460
me the idea if it's ripe or not,
if it's if it's overripe.

3183
03:07:29,540 --> 03:07:33,380
Usually I get three avocados. I
get one for that dinner that

3184
03:07:33,380 --> 03:07:36,680
day, and then I'll get one for
the next day and one for the

3185
03:07:36,680 --> 03:07:39,260
next day. So I do take firmness
into account

3186
03:07:40,220 --> 03:07:44,020
John C Dvorak: now with the
Peruvian avocado, the firmness

3187
03:07:44,020 --> 03:07:48,760
is it's always harder than a
normal avocado. It and if it go,

3188
03:07:48,760 --> 03:07:54,460
if you feel softness, it's over
the hill. So you say to

3189
03:07:54,460 --> 03:07:56,920
yourself, well, then how the
hell would I know this is the

3190
03:07:56,920 --> 03:07:58,660
right it's right. But how would
I tell I

3191
03:07:58,660 --> 03:08:00,280
Unknown: tell John

3192
03:08:01,540 --> 03:08:04,620
John C Dvorak: the color of the
skin of a Peruvian avocado,

3193
03:08:04,620 --> 03:08:07,680
which is kind of a greenish like
all the red, it looks just like

3194
03:08:07,680 --> 03:08:12,600
a regular avocado when it turns
solid black, and the avocado is

3195
03:08:12,600 --> 03:08:17,400
still firm, that avocado is
ready, and it's spectacular.

3196
03:08:17,700 --> 03:08:21,020
Adam Curry: And how do we know
it's a Peruvian avocado? It'll

3197
03:08:21,020 --> 03:08:21,320
say,

3198
03:08:21,680 --> 03:08:23,420
John C Dvorak: there's not a
store in the world that won't

3199
03:08:23,420 --> 03:08:27,920
put the country of origin, where
it says Mrs. Avocados, 59 cents

3200
03:08:27,920 --> 03:08:30,440
or whatever. It'll say country
of origin, Peru. It'll say,

3201
03:08:30,440 --> 03:08:35,360
there they I think most states
require you country of origin.

3202
03:08:37,340 --> 03:08:40,420
Adam Curry: So how about the
avocado? I want to be ripe in

3203
03:08:40,420 --> 03:08:44,740
two days, when it's from Peru,
it'll be black and it'll

3204
03:08:44,740 --> 03:08:48,520
John C Dvorak: be it'll be black
with some green. Oh, so it's a

3205
03:08:48,520 --> 03:08:54,160
color identifier as total color.
It goes from super green to

3206
03:08:54,160 --> 03:08:57,640
black splotches to pretty,
almost all black with a little

3207
03:08:57,640 --> 03:09:01,320
green, to all black. And there's
about a two or three day window

3208
03:09:01,320 --> 03:09:04,020
and it's all black and it's
still hard, boom,

3209
03:09:04,080 --> 03:09:06,780
Adam Curry: yeah, we prefer
avocado of color here on the

3210
03:09:06,780 --> 03:09:10,560
show. Excellent tip everybody.
Hey

3211
03:09:10,560 --> 03:09:11,160
Unknown: guys.

3212
03:09:11,160 --> 03:09:12,480
Show us your tips.

3213
03:09:15,360 --> 03:09:16,080
There we go.

3214
03:09:17,880 --> 03:09:21,320
John C Dvorak: Anyway. Check out
Peruvian avocados if you ever

3215
03:09:21,320 --> 03:09:23,780
see them. No, I like it. That's
good. It's

3216
03:09:23,780 --> 03:09:30,440
Adam Curry: good. Good word. And
that does it for Episode 1699,

3217
03:09:31,280 --> 03:09:36,560
1700 on Thursday, everybody 1700
we'll send out a newsletter to

3218
03:09:36,560 --> 03:09:39,320
John C Dvorak: remind 1800
everyone should donate and sing,

3219
03:09:39,320 --> 03:09:41,500
congratulations, boys

3220
03:09:41,860 --> 03:09:47,440
Adam Curry: and we have Canary
Cry, news talk coming up next on

3221
03:09:47,440 --> 03:09:53,140
the stream. This is 777,
jackpot. Ah, they're into that

3222
03:09:53,140 --> 03:09:56,620
illegal gambling on the stream
these days. Ah, just go figure.

3223
03:09:56,620 --> 03:10:01,080
Boys, go figure. End of show.
Mixes, we have. Down guy, Steve

3224
03:10:01,080 --> 03:10:04,620
Neal Jones, our clip custodian
and the Maya sir. Michael

3225
03:10:04,620 --> 03:10:07,800
Anthony returns to the end of
show mixes. We could not be

3226
03:10:07,800 --> 03:10:10,980
happier coming to you from the
heart of the Texas Hill Country,

3227
03:10:10,980 --> 03:10:14,700
right here in Fredericksburg. We
got a meet up on October 18 in

3228
03:10:14,700 --> 03:10:16,140
the morning. Everybody. I'm Adam

3229
03:10:16,140 --> 03:10:18,420
John C Dvorak: curry, and from
Northern Silicon Valley, where

3230
03:10:18,420 --> 03:10:20,960
it's cold, I'm John C Dvorak. We
return

3231
03:10:21,020 --> 03:10:23,840
Adam Curry: on Thursday, where
people are having meetups, and

3232
03:10:23,840 --> 03:10:27,800
we'll be celebrating episode
1700 remember us at no agenda,

3233
03:10:27,800 --> 03:10:34,220
donations.com until that adios
mofo is a hooey. Hooey, and such

3234
03:10:36,020 --> 03:10:39,020
Unknown: concern about rising
temperatures on planet Earth

3235
03:10:39,020 --> 03:10:41,020
heated up a hearing here in
Washington today,

3236
03:10:41,260 --> 03:10:44,800
this morning, record breaking
heat spreading across more of

3237
03:10:44,800 --> 03:10:46,180
the US. You should

3238
03:10:46,180 --> 03:10:49,840
know what happens to your body
when it exposes itself to

3239
03:10:49,840 --> 03:10:54,460
extreme heat? First, your body
attempts thermal regulation by

3240
03:10:54,460 --> 03:10:58,840
moving blood flow outward toward
the surface of the skin. The

3241
03:10:58,840 --> 03:11:01,680
heart rate quickens. Blood
vessels dilate to release heat,

3242
03:11:01,860 --> 03:11:04,800
the skin becomes flush, then
your body begins to sweat.

3243
03:11:05,340 --> 03:11:08,340
Let's see how long it takes when
you start sweating, because

3244
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after all, it's not heat. See
humidity

3245
03:11:10,860 --> 03:11:15,360
if it's really hot, especially
if it's hot and humid, these

3246
03:11:15,360 --> 03:11:18,180
thermal regulation systems that
we've developed won't be enough.

3247
03:11:19,020 --> 03:11:21,380
The heart will continue to be
fast, putting strain on

3248
03:11:21,380 --> 03:11:24,500
cardiovascular systems. The skin
will continue to sweat,

3249
03:11:24,500 --> 03:11:27,740
depleting your body of water and
essential electrolytes.

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03:11:27,800 --> 03:11:30,200
Many scientists claim that the
temperature of

3251
03:11:30,200 --> 03:11:34,100
the Earth's atmosphere has been
rising over the past 100 years.

3252
03:11:34,100 --> 03:11:34,880
The truth is, the

3253
03:11:34,880 --> 03:11:36,800
crisis is still getting worse.

3254
03:11:37,160 --> 03:11:40,400
Excessive sweating will cause an
imbalance of fluids and salts in

3255
03:11:40,400 --> 03:11:41,800
the human system. With rising

3256
03:11:41,800 --> 03:11:44,080
temperatures, the threat of
infectious diseases

3257
03:11:44,200 --> 03:11:45,220
will increase.

3258
03:11:46,240 --> 03:11:47,560
It's warmer than I like.

3259
03:11:47,680 --> 03:11:52,600
Your body's core temperature
rises rapidly. Your body reaches

3260
03:11:52,600 --> 03:11:56,440
the threshold for heat stroke.
There is irreversible damage to

3261
03:11:56,440 --> 03:11:59,200
cells in vital organs, and
usually,

3262
03:11:59,260 --> 03:12:05,520
you might die. I think it's very
important for us at every moment

3263
03:12:05,520 --> 03:12:09,720
in time, and certainly this one,
to see the moment you

3264
03:12:28,400 --> 03:12:35,000
we love our country. We are an
optimistic people. We are an

3265
03:12:35,000 --> 03:12:39,920
optimistic people. I love our
country. I know we all do.

3266
03:12:39,920 --> 03:12:41,500
That's why everybody's here
right now. We

3267
03:12:41,500 --> 03:12:42,460
love our country.

3268
03:12:46,600 --> 03:12:49,600
Let's come together. Let's come
together. Let's come together.

3269
03:12:49,600 --> 03:12:49,840
Let's

3270
03:12:50,080 --> 03:12:50,620
come together.

3271
03:12:52,180 --> 03:12:56,500
We take pride in the privilege
of being American. Let's come

3272
03:12:56,500 --> 03:12:58,660
together. Let's come together.
Come together. You.

3273
03:13:05,820 --> 03:13:10,800
What's up, New York City, this
is your mail, at least for now.

3274
03:13:10,920 --> 03:13:14,820
As you all already heard, I've
been indicted for corruption and

3275
03:13:14,820 --> 03:13:18,960
bribery. The feds is trying to
take down me and my whole

3276
03:13:18,960 --> 03:13:23,960
chocolate mafia all because I
said, yo Joe, close the border.

3277
03:13:23,960 --> 03:13:28,100
Yo otherwise, y'all know I
woulda got away with it anyway.

3278
03:13:28,100 --> 03:13:31,640
I got one word for all y'all
talking about, step down.

3279
03:13:31,940 --> 03:13:36,680
Jumanji. If y'all get rid of me,
your instrument may off and it

3280
03:13:36,680 --> 03:13:41,140
be public advocate. Jumanji,
Williams. Jumanji, and straight

3281
03:13:41,140 --> 03:13:45,400
up socialist. He anti police,
and he want to be the mayor. So

3282
03:13:45,400 --> 03:13:51,100
you tell Kathy Hochul, you tell
AOC, you tell Jumanji, you stand

3283
03:13:51,100 --> 03:13:56,080
by Mayor Eric Adams, and if
y'all don't got my back, maybe

3284
03:13:56,260 --> 03:14:02,100
I'll just go maggot somebody.
Please love me.

3285
03:14:09,840 --> 03:14:11,820
Adios, moforac.org/n,

3286
03:14:14,220 --> 03:14:18,060
a best podcast ever. You.