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Adam Curry, John C.

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Dvorak.

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This is November 28th, 2024, this is the

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award winning Kimmel Nation media assassination episode 1760.

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This is no agenda.

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Turkey basting and broadcasting live from the heart

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of the Here in FEMA Region Number 6.

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In the morning everybody, I'm Adam Curry.

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And from Northern Silicon Valley, where we all

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say happy Thanksgiving and go Lions!

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I'm John C.

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Duborek.

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It's Crackpot and Buzzkill!

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In the morning!

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Who are the Lions?

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Is this the Oakland Lions?

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Yeah, the Oakland Lions.

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What do they play?

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What do the Lions play?

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That must be a college team.

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I don't know about the Lions.

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You don't need to know.

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There's no reason for you to know.

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I'm with you.

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Oh, really?

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You're with me?

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You're with me.

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Hey, hey.

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You hear him?

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You hear the turkeys?

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Here we go.

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We are ready for you all.

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I realize this morning, just as the Curry

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family tradition, I think many families around America,

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on Christmas, on Christmas Eve, we all sit

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down and we read, "'Twas the night before

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Christmas."

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And we read, "'Twas the night before Christmas,

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and all through the house not a creature

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was stirring, not even a mouse.

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All the stockings were hung by the chimney

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with care, with visions of St. Nicholas would

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soon be there, etc."

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So that is a tradition in America.

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For Thanksgiving?

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No, that is a Christmas tradition.

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I'm now saying, for 17 years, the tradition

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within No Agenda Nation, within the household of

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No Agenda, has been John's annual explaining why

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Thanksgiving is bullcrap.

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And I just want you to know, it

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has reached so far and wide that it

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is now even on the radio here in

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People are talking about John's Thanksgiving explanation.

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I'll just play a little bit of it.

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This is on Hill Country Patriot.

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John C.

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Dvorak, and John puts out a newsletter the

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day before each of their podcast shows.

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And so yesterday's newsletter came out, and I'm

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telling you what, it was this guy, I

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don't know, he's butthurt over Thanksgiving.

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John C.

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Dvorak is butthurt over Thanksgiving.

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And so I started reading his article, and

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let's see, he says, I'm always amused by

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the, and I'm not sure if I can

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use all these words, so I'm going to

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just clean my mouth.

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I'm always amused by the bull stories about

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Thanksgiving being about pilgrim maize, turkeys, and Indians,

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when the holiday stems from, and then he

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was like, man, John C.

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Dvorak, you completely missed the point.

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This goes on for five minutes.

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I'm glad they're picking up on this, on

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the reality, folks.

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By the way, he says later, you're not

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wrong, but you're missing the point.

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point.

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What was the point?

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What did he finally conclude?

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Well, I mean, you want me to fast

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I can skip past all of it.

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Listeners here, we know that throughout the history

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of this country, that it has been a

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regular, regular, starting with the pilgrims, yes, to

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set a day aside for thanksgiving to God.

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There it is.

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Just thank you, and yes, did it come

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with harvest?

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that's when we got the fruits of all

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our labor, literally.

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He's making it up.

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No, he's not.

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Somewhere in there, he says, you're right about

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the history of it.

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Well, allow me to set everybody up, and

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then we can do the annual.

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I feel bad for people that don't subscribe

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to the newsletter.

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The whole essay is in there.

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I've been running it over and over.

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It's the same old filler.

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As you can see, it's just copy-paste.

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Oh, wait, there's an error.

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Let me just change the spelling.

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The mainstream legacy media, that is Matt Long

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on Hill Country Patriot.

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He'll love me saying that.

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They subscribe to your newsletter.

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It's show prep.

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It is literally show prep.

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Wait a minute, Adam, what was the name

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of the show again, and who was that?

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Matt Long Show, Hill Country Patriot.

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So, we do need to play the Chicago

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Museum of History.

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Did a nice little piece on WGN explaining

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Thanksgiving, and we will do that.

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Then we ramp up to have the annual

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explanation of Thanksgiving by our very own John

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Dvorak.

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Long after the Pilgrims landed at Plymouth Rock

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in 1621 and celebrated a successful harvest with

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a three-day gathering that became the first

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Thanksgiving, it was the first President of the

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United States, George Washington, who declared November 26,

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1789, a day of public Thanksgiving.

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While a lot of people trace the origins

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of the celebration of Thanksgiving in the United

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States back to the Pilgrims in Plymouth in

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the 17th century, our kind of contemporary understanding

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of it really has to do more with

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these proclamations that were made by various presidents.

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Chicago History Museum Director of Exhibitions Paul DeRicca

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says the holiday was observed on and off

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President James Madison proclaimed a Thanksgiving Day in

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1814 and 1815.

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Thanksgiving as a national holiday really kind of

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takes shape and then becomes part of American

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culture in the 1860s.

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in the midst of the Civil War, that

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President Abraham Lincoln made what is now regarded

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as the Thanksgiving Proclamation.

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He wrote, The year that is drawing to

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a close has been filled with the blessings

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of fruitful fields and healthful skies.

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He called the nation's people and its prosperity,

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quote, gracious gifts and said, It has seemed

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to me fit and proper that they should

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be gratefully acknowledged.

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I do, therefore, invite my fellow citizens in

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every part of the United States to set

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apart and observe that last Thursday of November

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next as a day of Thanksgiving.

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Lincoln's proclamation took effect just one week after

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his most famous speech, the Gettysburg Address.

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Even though the United States is in the

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midst of this great Civil War and there

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are all of these challenges that the nation

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is facing, there's still a lot to be

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It was the culmination of a decades-long

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campaign by a prominent magazine editor named Sarah

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She lobbied Lincoln for the holiday.

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Thanksgiving, establishing it as a national holiday, certainly

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stands as one of his enduring accomplishments.

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41, forever making Thanksgiving a public holiday.

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No wonder mainstream is losing viewers.

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Oh, brother.

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Well, a couple of things.

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I'll just throw in.

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The only thing correct in that report was

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Sarah being the one who initiated making this

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an annual holiday.

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That was good.

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rest of it, the Lincoln Thanksgiving thing was

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all about the dead soldiers.

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all the dead soldiers.

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was to honor the dead.

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And so that, you know, it was kind

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of depressing, to be honest about it.

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When this woman finally got it to become

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a national holiday, it became such, and it

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all began with dead soldiers.

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It had nothing to do with pilgrims or

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corn or anything like that.

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it evolved.

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This is new, by the way.

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It's not in the essay.

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Somebody sent me this.

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Time to update the essay.

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I didn't know this.

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Time to update the essay.

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I'm going to update with this.

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So by the 30s, it was institutionalized as

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last Thursday of November.

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November, yeah.

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And Franklin Roosevelt wanted to move it up

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a week to the third Thursday, which then

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became known as Franksgiving.

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Oh, Franksgiving.

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Franklin Delano Roosevelt.

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Franksgiving.

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Because he felt, because it was in, I

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he did this.

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He felt that it was important to move

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it up a week to get Black Friday

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up a week to get an extra week

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of Christmas shopping.

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There it is.

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There it is.

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That's the true American tradition right there.

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That's the American tradition, but nobody bought it,

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so it died out.

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So, yes, this is kind of a fake

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phony baloney deal.

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Oh, man.

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Yes, of course.

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But it's a time that people get together

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and argue about politics.

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And what's so beautiful about Thanksgiving, you know,

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there's two ways to say it.

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Thanksgiving.

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Around here, everyone says Thanksgiving.

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Thanksgiving.

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Not Thanksgiving.

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I grew up saying Thanksgiving, and here it's

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Thanksgiving.

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Well, I say Thanksgiving.

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It's Thanksgiving.

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I'm trying to get into Lexicon so I

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don't sound like a damn Yankee.

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Thanksgiving.

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Yeah, you don't want to sound like a

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damn Yankee.

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You want to sound like a Texan.

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You've been there since Thanksgiving.

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That's right.

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Thanksgiving.

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Of course, even though Thanksgiving is not celebrated

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anywhere but in the United States, our fine

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tradition of Black Friday is celebrated around the

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This began around 2015, I think, and maybe

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even a few years before.

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Maybe a little earlier even, yeah.

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The internet.

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It started up.

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Because, yes, I know.

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Well, first, Halloween, which most of the EU

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countries spell Halloween, that was the first thing

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to kind of creep over.

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So everyone could dress up like a schmuck

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or a sexy barmaid or whatever.

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Housemaid.

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Hookers.

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Hookers, yes.

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Basically, a hooker holiday.

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And they don't say Halloween.

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They say Halloween.

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And then after that, the internet really, once

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the internet, shopping kind of kicked in.

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So I think it was probably 2012 where

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it really was going strong.

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Black Friday.

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Everywhere.

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Black Friday.

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From Holland, from Amsterdam to Milan.

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Black Friday is all over the EU.

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And I would say in most of the

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world.

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Black Friday.

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Of course, Amazon, a big part of that.

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And it's just wonderful.

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We are so happy.

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And then we always have the annual pardoning

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of the turkey.

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At the White House, President Biden honored an

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annual tradition for his final time in office.

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The pardoning of the turkeys.

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It's not always the turkeys you think he's

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going to pardon.

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But these are the pardons that he did.

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Take a look.

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Raised by the...

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Yeah, I hear you.

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Peach wants to speak a little bit.

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Peach weighs 41 pounds.

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And loves to eat hot dish and tater

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tots.

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And cross-country skis.

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He lives by the motto.

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Keep calm and gobble on.

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Based on your temperament and commitment to being

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productive members of society.

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I hereby pardon Peach M.

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Blossom.

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And back to the view.

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But there's a much more serious pardon that

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many people are wondering about.

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And that is, people are wondering, should Biden

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pardon his son, Hunter?

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Or does that make him an even bigger

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target for you-know-who coming in?

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We can't even celebrate Thanksgiving without some politicization

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by The View.

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That show's gotta go.

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Well, it's going to go.

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And then, of course, we have the biggest

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problem.

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Holiday heart syndrome.

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We're just days away here from the first

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major holiday of the holiday season, Thanksgiving.

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And you're tracking some medical news about something

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called, what, holiday heart syndrome?

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What is that, and what do we need

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to do to protect ourselves?

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You know, many people do not know about

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this.

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I will say, one of the strongest memories

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I have is a nurse I presented after

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a weekend of overindulgence.

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With swelling in their legs, palpitations.

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And they had all the signs and symptoms

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of this condition called holiday heart syndrome.

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So I wanted to help educate.

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Educate me.

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Especially as we step into those days where

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most likely all of us are going to

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be overindulgent.

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This is a reconstruction or reformation of the

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heart that happens from the fatty food, the

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salt, as well as the alcohol that we

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eat.

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And it can most often lead to an

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abnormal rhythm.

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A-fib or atrial fibrillation.

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It can happen to anyone, but those who

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are most at risk are those who have

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a history of heart disease.

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But again, it can happen to anyone, regardless

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of their condition, especially if binge drinking is

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involved.

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And the symptoms that you want to look

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for are palpitations, leg swelling, dizziness, and shortness

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of breath.

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And the way to prevent this, of course,

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is to prevent the causes.

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Which is making sure we're mindful before we

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step into those holiday events.

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Mindful.

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Being mindful about salt, fat, and alcohol.

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Trying to limit and portion control as much

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as we can.

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This is bullcrap, of course.

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Of course.

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The reason for holiday heart syndrome is the

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stress of being with family.

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That's it.

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The stress of being with family.

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And this is going to be another one

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of those years where people are stressed.

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Because, yes, you're right.

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Most divorce takes place between now and Christmas.

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Well, now that you brought it up, this

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is a very, very, very sad, sad moment

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here.

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One of our producers sent me a note.

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And Dan is his name.

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And Dan says, well, I'm going to be

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homeless for Thanksgiving and Christmas.

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Because he came home from work.

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And there was a note taped to the

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back door.

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And I shall share it with everybody.

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Dan, you are no longer the person I

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fell in love with.

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You let hateful cult leaders brainwash the humanity

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out of you.

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Since you voted for a rapist, felon, fraud,

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and tyrant, I no longer want to share

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my home with you.

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Please find somewhere else to live by Christmas.

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Your vote for that orange piece of shit

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tells me that you think all women, including

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me, are second class citizens.

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Don't deserve autonomy over my own body and

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choices.

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You betrayed me, Alana, Olivia, and your own

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daughter by supporting that misogynist, rapist, pedophile.

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You betrayed Randy with your vote.

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You know he's gay.

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And yet you voted for a proven homophobe

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to lead this country.

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You voted for a racist a-hole who

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has no respect for veterans.

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He calls you suckers and losers.

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How can you justify a vote for someone

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that does this?

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You voted for someone who only embodies hate.

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Since that's the person you think should lead

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our country, then I no longer know who

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you are.

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And I can't spend the rest of my

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life with you.

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I have purchased a new refrigerator before that

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orange a-hole puts tariffs on everything.

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And yes, tariffs means that we will have

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to pay more for things.

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All you stupid maghats fell for his lies.

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If you want to remove that part you

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replaced and return it, you need to do

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so before Wednesday.

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Please find somewhere else to be on Thursday.

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There will be no Thanksgiving here, and I'd

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like to have the day alone.

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I'm sorry for laughing.

447
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But this...

448
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Wow, talk about media brainwashing.

449
00:16:02,000 --> 00:16:02,720
The media...

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This is why this show that we do

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exists.

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Thank you for bringing that up.

453
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This is exactly correct.

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Because this is not just media brainwashing.

455
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This is all media.

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It's like social media in particular.

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And your favorite, TikTok, is playing a big

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role.

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If you see the amount of TikTok women

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influencers who are out there repeating this over

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and over again.

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And Trump is going to declare no-fault

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divorce across America.

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Which on its face is very uneducated and

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ignorant since marriage is a state issue.

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It's not a federal issue.

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You're married before the great state of.

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And because...

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Oh yeah, Texas is already doing it.

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Some Jamoke state senator in 2017 put in

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a bill that said, Oh, you know, we

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should do away with...

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Which by the way, no-fault divorce is

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available in every state in the union.

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We should do away with it because it

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promotes wrecking the family.

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I think only recently in New York.

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I think New York was a holdout.

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Oh, really?

480
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Yeah.

481
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Well, anyway.

482
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But these psychological operations that have taken place

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have absolutely convinced people that this is happening.

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They are convinced of it.

485
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There is no...

486
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Oh no, they're not insincere in their belief.

487
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I'd like to actually get into this because...

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Well...

489
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Yes.

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Since you want to get into it, I

491
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do want to...

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You brought kind of led me into leading

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the witness into this TikTok clip.

494
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There are reasonable people.

495
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There are reasonable people on TikTok.

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Oh, really?

497
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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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And I have one of them here.

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I have my TikTok clip of the day

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right at the beginning of the show for

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the people that love these clips.

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Oh, we're rocking it.

504
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Yes.

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For the five people who have emailed John

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and encouraged him to bring these clips to

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the show.

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Here we go.

509
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I just don't get why we can't have

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Trump and Kamala both be president.

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And then Kamala is only president to the

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Kamala supporters.

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And then Trump is only president to the

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Trump supporters.

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And then we can find ways to identify

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one another so then only the Kamala supporters

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get the Kamala's policies.

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I just feel like that would be way

519
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more fair and I don't know why we

520
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haven't thought of it before.

521
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I don't know.

522
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You know?

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Humanity is lost.

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She's kind of cute and dumb and she

525
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thinks that she dreamed this up as such

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a great idea.

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And she has this look on the end

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of it as though I just don't get

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why people haven't figured this out.

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Before I move into some deconstruction here of

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all forms of media, I just want to

532
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have everyone think for a moment about the

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victims of Western North Carolina and Florida who

534
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are not having the happiest of Thanksgiving.

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And let's be quick to listen, slow to

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speak, and even slower to get angry around

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all of our relatives today and our friends.

538
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If you have a Friendsgiving, just everybody calm

539
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down.

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Friendsgiving.

541
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I forgot about that.

542
00:19:21,360 --> 00:19:21,820
Oh, no.

543
00:19:22,020 --> 00:19:26,240
Wait, didn't Jay have a Friendsgiving a year

544
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ago or two years ago?

545
00:19:27,700 --> 00:19:28,480
Maybe it was Jesse.

546
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I don't remember.

547
00:19:29,380 --> 00:19:30,300
It was Jesse and Jay.

548
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I try to repress the idea.

549
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So the television and radio specifically, but when

550
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it comes to media deconstruction, we now really

551
00:19:42,080 --> 00:19:44,000
have to look at all media, including social

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media.

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Now the television and radio people, they're so

554
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focused on what happened.

555
00:19:51,040 --> 00:19:52,040
What happened?

556
00:19:52,460 --> 00:19:53,520
How could it happen?

557
00:19:54,060 --> 00:19:55,320
What did we do wrong?

558
00:19:55,880 --> 00:19:58,600
And how are we losing out our messaging

559
00:19:58,600 --> 00:20:01,620
to the podcast laws, podcast laws, podcast law,

560
00:20:01,680 --> 00:20:02,540
podcast law auction?

561
00:20:03,640 --> 00:20:06,600
And I don't I really don't think it's

562
00:20:06,600 --> 00:20:09,620
a podcast election that I'd love for that

563
00:20:09,620 --> 00:20:10,640
to be true.

564
00:20:11,440 --> 00:20:13,240
So I have a few clips from PBS,

565
00:20:13,240 --> 00:20:15,540
but then I have an old friend of

566
00:20:15,540 --> 00:20:17,540
the show who was on NPR.

567
00:20:18,200 --> 00:20:20,160
And I think we can learn something and

568
00:20:20,160 --> 00:20:22,220
maybe take it to some historical things we've

569
00:20:22,220 --> 00:20:24,380
learned in the past 17 years of doing

570
00:20:24,380 --> 00:20:24,940
no agenda.

571
00:20:25,120 --> 00:20:26,780
So it's kind of a retrospective.

572
00:20:26,780 --> 00:20:31,320
And we start with PBS trying to desperately

573
00:20:31,320 --> 00:20:34,800
trying to understand how Trump won.

574
00:20:34,860 --> 00:20:36,440
Thanks to the Manosphere.

575
00:20:36,940 --> 00:20:39,200
On the night it became clear President-elect

576
00:20:39,200 --> 00:20:41,400
Donald Trump won the presidency again.

577
00:20:41,860 --> 00:20:43,780
He was joined on stage by members of

578
00:20:43,780 --> 00:20:46,560
his family and several high profile supporters.

579
00:20:47,000 --> 00:20:48,460
This is karma, ladies and gentlemen.

580
00:20:48,720 --> 00:20:49,660
He deserves this.

581
00:20:49,960 --> 00:20:51,280
They deserve it as a family.

582
00:20:51,280 --> 00:20:55,100
Including the CEO of Ultimate Fighting Championship, Dana

583
00:20:55,100 --> 00:20:57,360
White, who paid tribute to a group of

584
00:20:57,360 --> 00:21:00,020
men he believed helped sway the election.

585
00:21:00,260 --> 00:21:02,040
I want to thank the Nell boys, Aiden

586
00:21:02,040 --> 00:21:04,980
Ross, Theo Vaughn.

587
00:21:05,360 --> 00:21:06,240
Bustin' with the boys.

588
00:21:06,580 --> 00:21:09,440
And last but not least, the mighty and

589
00:21:09,440 --> 00:21:10,580
powerful Joe Rogan.

590
00:21:10,880 --> 00:21:11,900
Let me know your honest thoughts.

591
00:21:13,220 --> 00:21:16,420
While those names may sound unfamiliar to some,

592
00:21:16,980 --> 00:21:19,120
they are all part of a growing online

593
00:21:19,120 --> 00:21:21,920
ecosystem that's been dubbed the Manosphere.

594
00:21:22,140 --> 00:21:25,560
A term loosely defined as male-centered content

595
00:21:25,560 --> 00:21:28,640
published on platforms like TikTok, YouTube and the

596
00:21:28,640 --> 00:21:31,500
popular live streaming site for gamers, Twitch.

597
00:21:31,880 --> 00:21:32,980
The press is so crooked.

598
00:21:33,300 --> 00:21:36,740
During his campaign, candidate Trump saw massive untapped

599
00:21:36,740 --> 00:21:39,800
potential to reach young male voters by appearing

600
00:21:39,800 --> 00:21:41,080
on podcasts like...

601
00:21:41,080 --> 00:21:44,180
Is this that Lopez woman?

602
00:21:45,300 --> 00:21:46,380
Yes, correct.

603
00:21:47,860 --> 00:21:48,900
Are you mad?

604
00:21:49,160 --> 00:21:49,600
Why are you mad?

605
00:21:49,700 --> 00:21:50,980
Oh, she's the worst.

606
00:21:51,180 --> 00:21:53,400
I have clips from her, too, coming up

607
00:21:53,400 --> 00:21:55,160
because she's the worst.

608
00:21:55,260 --> 00:21:55,840
But continue.

609
00:21:55,980 --> 00:21:57,460
I just wanted to make sure.

610
00:21:57,660 --> 00:21:57,780
OK.

611
00:21:57,960 --> 00:22:00,760
A massive untapped potential to reach young male

612
00:22:00,760 --> 00:22:04,040
voters by appearing on podcasts like the Joe

613
00:22:04,040 --> 00:22:05,020
Rogan Experience.

614
00:22:05,020 --> 00:22:09,320
Kamala goes on 60 Minutes, gave an answer

615
00:22:09,320 --> 00:22:11,120
that a child wouldn't give.

616
00:22:11,160 --> 00:22:11,880
It was so bad.

617
00:22:12,420 --> 00:22:14,540
His three hour long interview has been viewed

618
00:22:14,540 --> 00:22:18,000
more than 50 million times on YouTube, providing

619
00:22:18,000 --> 00:22:20,840
several viral moments that could then be shared

620
00:22:20,840 --> 00:22:23,200
in clips across all of social media.

621
00:22:23,280 --> 00:22:23,700
Aha!

622
00:22:24,200 --> 00:22:24,620
Aha!

623
00:22:24,780 --> 00:22:25,900
We're starting to zero in.

624
00:22:25,980 --> 00:22:28,200
But it's clearly Donald Trump only won because

625
00:22:28,200 --> 00:22:30,600
of men, which I think is factually just

626
00:22:30,600 --> 00:22:31,420
not true.

627
00:22:31,420 --> 00:22:33,960
No, 52 percent of the women voters voted

628
00:22:33,960 --> 00:22:34,940
for Donald Trump.

629
00:22:36,140 --> 00:22:39,580
So, you know, it's but they play a

630
00:22:39,580 --> 00:22:40,920
few more clips just so they can kind

631
00:22:40,920 --> 00:22:44,600
of get into this, because obviously, you know,

632
00:22:44,620 --> 00:22:46,780
these are the people influencing men.

633
00:22:46,900 --> 00:22:49,020
22 year old Evan Jabot is a longtime

634
00:22:49,020 --> 00:22:51,320
Joe Rogan listener and a Trump voter.

635
00:22:51,460 --> 00:22:54,140
He says Trump's interview with Rogan allowed young

636
00:22:54,140 --> 00:22:56,120
men to see a different side of the

637
00:22:56,120 --> 00:22:56,880
president elect.

638
00:22:57,140 --> 00:22:58,540
I'd give an answer, which was a very

639
00:22:58,540 --> 00:22:59,160
good answer.

640
00:22:59,160 --> 00:23:01,680
I always talk about, you know, I like

641
00:23:01,680 --> 00:23:03,020
to give long the weave.

642
00:23:03,620 --> 00:23:05,380
Yeah, you like to weave things in.

643
00:23:05,480 --> 00:23:06,040
But when you do.

644
00:23:06,180 --> 00:23:06,860
And we got to hear a lot of

645
00:23:06,860 --> 00:23:08,900
stories that Trump wouldn't typically say on the

646
00:23:08,900 --> 00:23:09,240
road.

647
00:23:09,340 --> 00:23:11,960
He uses a lot of rhetoric in his

648
00:23:11,960 --> 00:23:13,760
rallies that you really didn't get on the

649
00:23:13,760 --> 00:23:14,200
podcast.

650
00:23:14,300 --> 00:23:15,700
And I think it was a refreshing view

651
00:23:15,700 --> 00:23:16,200
of Trump.

652
00:23:16,740 --> 00:23:19,180
Reaching young men who often listen to podcasts

653
00:23:19,180 --> 00:23:21,440
and get their news from social media was

654
00:23:21,440 --> 00:23:24,140
a deliberate effort by the Trump campaign, says

655
00:23:24,140 --> 00:23:26,440
GOP digital strategist Eric Wilson.

656
00:23:26,440 --> 00:23:29,640
They had a theory that if you watch

657
00:23:29,640 --> 00:23:32,420
cable news, whatever end of the political spectrum

658
00:23:32,420 --> 00:23:34,520
you're on, you already had your mind made

659
00:23:34,520 --> 00:23:36,460
up about the candidates and who you were

660
00:23:36,460 --> 00:23:37,120
going to vote for.

661
00:23:37,740 --> 00:23:39,720
They went out to these platforms where people

662
00:23:39,720 --> 00:23:42,240
might not be as engaged in news and

663
00:23:42,240 --> 00:23:44,780
current events to tell them about the election,

664
00:23:44,940 --> 00:23:46,040
tell them about the candidate.

665
00:23:46,480 --> 00:23:48,500
A recent study from the Pew Research Center

666
00:23:48,500 --> 00:23:50,980
found that about four in 10 voters under

667
00:23:50,980 --> 00:23:54,340
30 regularly get their news from content creators.

668
00:23:54,340 --> 00:23:56,240
OK, so this is notice.

669
00:23:56,440 --> 00:23:59,080
They don't say podcasters because they didn't say

670
00:23:59,080 --> 00:24:03,540
podcasts from their from Apple podcasts or Spotify.

671
00:24:03,820 --> 00:24:05,220
There was no mention of that.

672
00:24:05,320 --> 00:24:07,640
It's about what's happening on social networks.

673
00:24:07,700 --> 00:24:10,280
And I'm going to add TikTok and YouTube

674
00:24:10,280 --> 00:24:11,560
to social networks.

675
00:24:12,440 --> 00:24:14,900
So then on on the media, Instagram.

676
00:24:15,240 --> 00:24:16,080
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

677
00:24:16,080 --> 00:24:16,640
No, of course.

678
00:24:16,700 --> 00:24:17,220
On Twitter.

679
00:24:17,440 --> 00:24:17,740
Yes.

680
00:24:17,940 --> 00:24:18,940
But exactly.

681
00:24:18,940 --> 00:24:22,740
And and X and Blue Cry, which is

682
00:24:22,740 --> 00:24:23,300
the new name.

683
00:24:23,720 --> 00:24:24,640
It's not Blue Sky.

684
00:24:24,780 --> 00:24:25,300
It's Blue Cry.

685
00:24:26,860 --> 00:24:28,060
So Blue Cry.

686
00:24:28,340 --> 00:24:28,760
Yeah, I like it.

687
00:24:28,860 --> 00:24:29,220
Thank you.

688
00:24:32,280 --> 00:24:34,340
So on the media, which is one of

689
00:24:34,340 --> 00:24:38,640
my hate listens, they bring on someone who

690
00:24:38,640 --> 00:24:40,420
is who has morphed her.

691
00:24:41,660 --> 00:24:45,700
Her presence in media as many times.

692
00:24:46,480 --> 00:24:47,640
Rene D'Aresta.

693
00:24:47,860 --> 00:24:49,540
Do you remember Rene D'Aresta?

694
00:24:50,200 --> 00:24:51,520
No, but can I can I stop you

695
00:24:51,520 --> 00:24:52,760
for a second and mention one thing?

696
00:24:52,940 --> 00:24:53,040
Yeah.

697
00:24:54,920 --> 00:24:58,640
That guy that that that famous Democrat super

698
00:24:58,640 --> 00:25:00,720
donor that with the southern accent, I think

699
00:25:00,720 --> 00:25:03,600
it's from Louisiana or Florida, was on one

700
00:25:03,600 --> 00:25:04,240
of these pot.

701
00:25:04,240 --> 00:25:08,820
The guy who said that Biden nominated Harris

702
00:25:08,820 --> 00:25:10,300
to screw with the Democrat Party.

703
00:25:10,560 --> 00:25:11,000
Yeah, that guy.

704
00:25:11,320 --> 00:25:11,420
Yeah.

705
00:25:12,160 --> 00:25:14,020
He was very well connected.

706
00:25:14,120 --> 00:25:14,900
He says that.

707
00:25:15,140 --> 00:25:16,920
And I think we may have mentioned this,

708
00:25:17,000 --> 00:25:19,080
but I should mention it again, that it

709
00:25:19,080 --> 00:25:20,500
was Barron Trump.

710
00:25:21,680 --> 00:25:25,280
That talked his dad, his dad into doing

711
00:25:25,280 --> 00:25:25,940
podcasts.

712
00:25:26,260 --> 00:25:26,780
All of them.

713
00:25:27,000 --> 00:25:28,140
That's what Trump said.

714
00:25:28,460 --> 00:25:29,760
So we'll have to believe it.

715
00:25:29,800 --> 00:25:30,960
Trump said that it was Barron.

716
00:25:31,540 --> 00:25:33,000
OK, well, I didn't know that.

717
00:25:33,000 --> 00:25:34,460
Yeah, because I heard from this guy.

718
00:25:35,020 --> 00:25:37,220
And it's interesting that Barron had influence.

719
00:25:37,360 --> 00:25:39,060
And so did Donald, because Donald's the one

720
00:25:39,060 --> 00:25:40,540
who pushed J.D. Vance.

721
00:25:40,700 --> 00:25:42,980
It's he's he's a family man and he

722
00:25:42,980 --> 00:25:43,840
listens to his family.

723
00:25:44,060 --> 00:25:46,640
That is in general a good idea.

724
00:25:46,820 --> 00:25:47,080
Yes.

725
00:25:47,400 --> 00:25:47,540
Yeah.

726
00:25:47,720 --> 00:25:51,740
So D'Aresta, she was involved with the

727
00:25:51,740 --> 00:25:54,020
Council for Responsible Social Media.

728
00:25:54,960 --> 00:25:59,360
She worked at the Stanford Internet Observatory.

729
00:25:59,660 --> 00:25:59,780
Whatever.

730
00:26:00,240 --> 00:26:00,900
Oh, yes.

731
00:26:00,980 --> 00:26:02,040
You remember her now?

732
00:26:02,040 --> 00:26:02,760
I know her.

733
00:26:02,900 --> 00:26:03,100
Yep.

734
00:26:03,300 --> 00:26:03,620
Yeah.

735
00:26:03,620 --> 00:26:06,360
She's the one who had the details years

736
00:26:06,360 --> 00:26:12,040
ago that most Internet traffic was pirate piracy.

737
00:26:12,960 --> 00:26:13,220
Yeah.

738
00:26:13,660 --> 00:26:15,260
She had some good numbers, too.

739
00:26:15,520 --> 00:26:17,740
Well, and this is even though I don't

740
00:26:17,740 --> 00:26:18,160
like her.

741
00:26:18,260 --> 00:26:20,020
I remember even when I when I was

742
00:26:20,020 --> 00:26:21,980
on Rogan, I said, Joe, she's no good.

743
00:26:22,520 --> 00:26:26,060
She is literally on your show to propagandize

744
00:26:26,060 --> 00:26:26,460
stuff.

745
00:26:26,840 --> 00:26:28,520
And I think she was involved in some

746
00:26:28,520 --> 00:26:30,800
of the early kind of censorship things.

747
00:26:30,800 --> 00:26:34,440
Somehow, I I think it was her group

748
00:26:34,440 --> 00:26:39,460
that, if I recall, was trying to prove

749
00:26:39,460 --> 00:26:43,680
that you could deplatform, you know, deplatform someone

750
00:26:43,680 --> 00:26:45,920
by calling out a brand.

751
00:26:46,080 --> 00:26:48,820
And they actually were deplatforming people by calling

752
00:26:48,820 --> 00:26:49,400
out brands.

753
00:26:49,520 --> 00:26:52,040
It's very murky, but she always comes out.

754
00:26:52,100 --> 00:26:53,000
She has a new position.

755
00:26:53,000 --> 00:26:55,960
She's somewhere else in some hoity toity place.

756
00:26:56,100 --> 00:26:57,320
And now she's written a book.

757
00:26:57,360 --> 00:26:57,920
So she's back.

758
00:26:57,920 --> 00:27:00,440
CNN has also seen a decline at a

759
00:27:00,440 --> 00:27:02,440
time when more and more people are getting

760
00:27:02,440 --> 00:27:05,420
their news from social media, perhaps in part

761
00:27:05,420 --> 00:27:09,240
because influencers seem less compromised than the legacy

762
00:27:09,240 --> 00:27:09,760
press.

763
00:27:10,300 --> 00:27:12,640
A new Pew Research report this week found

764
00:27:12,640 --> 00:27:15,380
that roughly 20 percent of Americans and 37

765
00:27:15,380 --> 00:27:18,200
percent of adults under 30 are getting their

766
00:27:18,200 --> 00:27:19,740
news from content creators.

767
00:27:20,580 --> 00:27:22,820
Most of the accounts with over 100,000

768
00:27:22,820 --> 00:27:25,740
followers are men with no professional journalist.

769
00:27:26,040 --> 00:27:26,640
Yeah.

770
00:27:27,380 --> 00:27:29,220
You can interrupt as much as you want.

771
00:27:29,760 --> 00:27:30,300
I'll be.

772
00:27:30,480 --> 00:27:31,100
Well, you know me.

773
00:27:33,380 --> 00:27:35,880
Isn't a newspaper reporter for the San Francisco

774
00:27:35,880 --> 00:27:37,880
Chronicle a content creator?

775
00:27:40,080 --> 00:27:43,160
That would be a reporter is what I'd

776
00:27:43,160 --> 00:27:43,560
call that.

777
00:27:43,860 --> 00:27:45,680
But he's creating content.

778
00:27:45,820 --> 00:27:47,980
It's it's a it's a horrible term.

779
00:27:47,980 --> 00:27:50,960
In fact, Spotify is vague.

780
00:27:51,160 --> 00:27:53,420
In reality, it is a vague term that's

781
00:27:53,420 --> 00:27:55,280
let's say one step further.

782
00:27:55,440 --> 00:27:59,260
It's a meaningless trope, meaningless trope.

783
00:27:59,300 --> 00:27:59,820
There you go.

784
00:27:59,900 --> 00:28:05,300
That is another great show title, meaningless trope.

785
00:28:05,500 --> 00:28:07,620
They use that because they never would want

786
00:28:07,620 --> 00:28:11,720
to categorize anyone who who does something that

787
00:28:11,720 --> 00:28:15,620
is not sanctioned or part of a mainstream

788
00:28:15,620 --> 00:28:15,980
outlet.

789
00:28:15,980 --> 00:28:17,600
They're not going to look.

790
00:28:17,680 --> 00:28:18,880
They're never going to call John C.

791
00:28:18,920 --> 00:28:21,320
Dvorak a journalist or even a columnist.

792
00:28:21,640 --> 00:28:24,300
You are a podcaster or a content creator.

793
00:28:25,000 --> 00:28:26,940
It's it's disparaging.

794
00:28:27,360 --> 00:28:28,880
It's meant to be disparaging.

795
00:28:29,080 --> 00:28:31,880
And it's also meant to be able to

796
00:28:31,880 --> 00:28:33,660
lump everybody into one category.

797
00:28:33,940 --> 00:28:35,740
Spotify just change.

798
00:28:35,820 --> 00:28:36,840
They have a hosting service.

799
00:28:37,140 --> 00:28:41,160
They change Spotify for podcasters into Spotify for

800
00:28:41,160 --> 00:28:41,780
creators.

801
00:28:42,460 --> 00:28:43,280
You see?

802
00:28:43,700 --> 00:28:46,360
So, yes, artists are creators.

803
00:28:47,180 --> 00:28:48,920
I don't like it at all, at all.

804
00:28:49,020 --> 00:28:50,540
But that's what they're going with.

805
00:28:50,700 --> 00:28:53,420
Most of the accounts with over 100000 followers

806
00:28:53,420 --> 00:28:56,520
are men with no professional journalistic training.

807
00:28:56,900 --> 00:28:59,480
They're also slightly more likely to be right

808
00:28:59,480 --> 00:29:02,240
leaning to understand this new media landscape.

809
00:29:02,240 --> 00:29:04,300
We're going to need to update some old

810
00:29:04,300 --> 00:29:08,260
ideas about how powerful institutions spread their messages.

811
00:29:08,260 --> 00:29:11,060
And for that, we turn to Renee D

812
00:29:11,060 --> 00:29:14,840
'Aresta, Georgetown University research professor and author of

813
00:29:14,840 --> 00:29:16,380
the book Invisible Rulers.

814
00:29:17,020 --> 00:29:19,600
The people who turn lies into reality.

815
00:29:19,780 --> 00:29:20,460
So she's moved.

816
00:29:21,100 --> 00:29:23,720
She's moved to Washington, D.C. now.

817
00:29:24,120 --> 00:29:25,460
She went from Stanford now.

818
00:29:25,560 --> 00:29:26,400
She's in the thick of it.

819
00:29:26,440 --> 00:29:29,740
She's at Georgetown, Washington University.

820
00:29:30,020 --> 00:29:30,260
OK.

821
00:29:31,180 --> 00:29:31,740
Spook.

822
00:29:32,340 --> 00:29:34,560
I would say so.

823
00:29:34,560 --> 00:29:37,420
So she says some very I just have

824
00:29:37,420 --> 00:29:39,180
a couple of shortish clips.

825
00:29:39,420 --> 00:29:42,700
She says some very interesting things about this

826
00:29:42,700 --> 00:29:43,780
new world.

827
00:29:43,980 --> 00:29:46,360
And I kind of got interested in this

828
00:29:46,360 --> 00:29:48,780
because we made almost like we had an

829
00:29:48,780 --> 00:29:50,020
offhanded conversation.

830
00:29:50,600 --> 00:29:53,000
You said the turnover on this show is

831
00:29:53,000 --> 00:29:53,540
high.

832
00:29:53,680 --> 00:29:54,080
We've got it.

833
00:29:54,100 --> 00:29:54,760
That's a problem.

834
00:29:55,260 --> 00:29:58,000
And and people started saying, well, that's because

835
00:29:58,000 --> 00:30:00,260
you're either a you're not consistent in your

836
00:30:00,260 --> 00:30:04,180
beliefs or, you know, what was the other

837
00:30:04,180 --> 00:30:04,440
one?

838
00:30:04,440 --> 00:30:06,180
I had another one here.

839
00:30:07,000 --> 00:30:07,440
Consistent.

840
00:30:07,640 --> 00:30:08,460
You're not consistent.

841
00:30:08,720 --> 00:30:10,960
I countered that quite nicely.

842
00:30:11,060 --> 00:30:11,320
I thought.

843
00:30:11,420 --> 00:30:12,720
But then you had something to say.

844
00:30:12,780 --> 00:30:13,340
You said.

845
00:30:13,900 --> 00:30:16,440
But you indicate you're going to reveal because

846
00:30:16,440 --> 00:30:18,080
the season of reveal on the show.

847
00:30:18,520 --> 00:30:19,660
I'm doing this now.

848
00:30:19,760 --> 00:30:20,460
I'm in right now.

849
00:30:20,580 --> 00:30:21,040
You are.

850
00:30:21,300 --> 00:30:22,360
No, I'm witnessing.

851
00:30:22,660 --> 00:30:22,960
You are.

852
00:30:23,160 --> 00:30:25,220
And I'm being mad about it.

853
00:30:25,420 --> 00:30:27,380
You are living in the season of reveal.

854
00:30:27,920 --> 00:30:31,140
And so, in fact, one of our producers

855
00:30:31,140 --> 00:30:34,780
said, you know, the observation about this is,

856
00:30:35,020 --> 00:30:37,300
he says, I agree with observation.

857
00:30:37,440 --> 00:30:38,320
The two of you made is I think

858
00:30:38,320 --> 00:30:39,320
this infighting.

859
00:30:39,720 --> 00:30:41,520
And I was talking about the new TDS

860
00:30:41,520 --> 00:30:44,800
versus TDS classic is almost an inevitable.

861
00:30:45,060 --> 00:30:46,960
So he's like, OK, it's because of the

862
00:30:46,960 --> 00:30:48,700
broad coalition, Trump, et cetera.

863
00:30:49,720 --> 00:30:53,480
But he says the the the problem is

864
00:30:53,480 --> 00:30:56,680
that on one show will excoriate someone like

865
00:30:56,680 --> 00:30:58,900
we just did and said, oh, you're Yale,

866
00:30:59,040 --> 00:31:01,040
you're Georgetown University, you're a spook.

867
00:31:01,340 --> 00:31:04,380
And then when I talk about people infighting

868
00:31:04,380 --> 00:31:10,760
about Trump's nominees and everyone arguing about that,

869
00:31:10,920 --> 00:31:12,420
you know, then I tell them they have

870
00:31:12,420 --> 00:31:13,600
Trump derangement syndrome.

871
00:31:14,820 --> 00:31:16,380
And both things can be true.

872
00:31:16,380 --> 00:31:19,420
You know, so it's but it's a different

873
00:31:19,420 --> 00:31:21,360
problem and a different issue.

874
00:31:21,400 --> 00:31:23,180
And I think I can I can find

875
00:31:23,180 --> 00:31:25,740
or at least indicate the source of where

876
00:31:25,740 --> 00:31:27,660
all of this is coming from, where all

877
00:31:27,660 --> 00:31:30,180
of these arguments come from.

878
00:31:30,240 --> 00:31:31,620
So we continue with the rest.

879
00:31:31,660 --> 00:31:34,660
And now, because the secret sauce to these

880
00:31:34,660 --> 00:31:37,060
creators, which we are not, we are.

881
00:31:37,140 --> 00:31:39,560
I can squarely say we are not like

882
00:31:39,560 --> 00:31:44,760
these creators on YouTube, TikTok, Instagram, X, Blue

883
00:31:44,760 --> 00:31:45,700
Cry, et cetera.

884
00:31:45,700 --> 00:31:47,760
When you read these social media posts of

885
00:31:47,760 --> 00:31:49,580
people who are distrustful of media, they are

886
00:31:49,580 --> 00:31:52,000
effectively saying that they really do believe at

887
00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:54,140
this point that there is some sort of

888
00:31:54,140 --> 00:31:56,800
collusion between media and government and the press

889
00:31:56,800 --> 00:31:58,280
is not telling them the truth.

890
00:31:58,280 --> 00:32:00,660
And this is one of these areas where

891
00:32:00,660 --> 00:32:02,880
there had been this great hope, I think,

892
00:32:03,020 --> 00:32:08,420
that by creating a theoretically gatekeeper free media

893
00:32:08,420 --> 00:32:12,700
environment, we would create a flourishing new independent

894
00:32:12,700 --> 00:32:15,260
press that would, you know, enjoy the confidence

895
00:32:15,260 --> 00:32:16,500
and the trust of the public.

896
00:32:16,500 --> 00:32:18,380
Stop it again.

897
00:32:18,540 --> 00:32:18,640
Sure.

898
00:32:20,000 --> 00:32:23,420
Now, this is an interesting commentary because she

899
00:32:23,420 --> 00:32:26,040
was part of it and it was a

900
00:32:26,040 --> 00:32:27,920
I would say this was I don't remember

901
00:32:27,920 --> 00:32:29,660
how many years ago, maybe 20 years ago

902
00:32:29,660 --> 00:32:31,460
when the Internet first started going.

903
00:32:31,800 --> 00:32:34,960
And and of all people, Dan Gilmore and

904
00:32:34,960 --> 00:32:38,040
others promoted the idea and wrote a book.

905
00:32:38,040 --> 00:32:42,120
He wrote a book called Citizen Journalist and

906
00:32:42,120 --> 00:32:44,020
they were promoting the idea that this was

907
00:32:44,020 --> 00:32:44,460
over.

908
00:32:44,600 --> 00:32:46,960
The gatekeepers were done because we have citizen

909
00:32:46,960 --> 00:32:48,480
journalism and approve us.

910
00:32:49,160 --> 00:32:51,440
Sources go direct is another one.

911
00:32:51,600 --> 00:32:52,980
Sources go direct.

912
00:32:53,700 --> 00:32:56,120
Yeah, all that was a big deal.

913
00:32:56,200 --> 00:32:57,880
And these are the same people that were

914
00:32:57,880 --> 00:33:00,700
promoting the idea of citizen journalists and all

915
00:33:00,700 --> 00:33:02,020
this is the way it's going to be.

916
00:33:02,100 --> 00:33:03,740
And this is the greatest thing ever.

917
00:33:03,740 --> 00:33:04,760
And now.

918
00:33:05,640 --> 00:33:05,960
Yeah.

919
00:33:06,840 --> 00:33:09,680
And but the point she makes is that

920
00:33:09,680 --> 00:33:12,060
in general, there is a distrust of media

921
00:33:12,060 --> 00:33:13,920
thinking there is collusion.

922
00:33:14,560 --> 00:33:16,760
And I will say in many parts in

923
00:33:16,760 --> 00:33:19,320
the world where there is like a government.

924
00:33:19,500 --> 00:33:20,060
Oh, everywhere.

925
00:33:20,220 --> 00:33:21,600
Government finance media.

926
00:33:21,880 --> 00:33:22,560
Where is it there?

927
00:33:22,820 --> 00:33:26,600
There is collusion between government and between, well,

928
00:33:26,940 --> 00:33:29,060
news, but maybe all media.

929
00:33:29,200 --> 00:33:31,760
So her points are valid about the feeling.

930
00:33:31,760 --> 00:33:33,700
You know, enjoy the confidence and the trust

931
00:33:33,700 --> 00:33:35,620
of the public that was not subjected to

932
00:33:35,620 --> 00:33:38,840
the same incentives and that we would have

933
00:33:38,840 --> 00:33:42,180
this rising trust in a burgeoning new media.

934
00:33:42,560 --> 00:33:44,100
And, of course, that's not exactly what happens.

935
00:33:44,820 --> 00:33:46,620
And all of a sudden you have new

936
00:33:46,620 --> 00:33:51,240
gatekeepers and new incentives and new structures and

937
00:33:51,240 --> 00:33:53,660
new means of sharing information.

938
00:33:53,660 --> 00:33:56,680
You have the most empowered public you've ever

939
00:33:56,680 --> 00:33:58,900
had as far as the role that individual

940
00:33:58,900 --> 00:34:01,700
people can play in shaping public opinion and

941
00:34:01,700 --> 00:34:04,180
amplifying news that they like and sharing content

942
00:34:04,180 --> 00:34:04,880
with their friends.

943
00:34:05,220 --> 00:34:08,920
So you have a fundamental shift in who

944
00:34:08,920 --> 00:34:10,620
can be a content creator, who can tell

945
00:34:10,620 --> 00:34:11,120
stories.

946
00:34:11,440 --> 00:34:13,540
In this particular case, we're talking about news

947
00:34:13,540 --> 00:34:16,380
influencers who have over 100000 followers and those

948
00:34:16,380 --> 00:34:20,739
followers play a very active role in amplifying

949
00:34:20,739 --> 00:34:21,020
them.

950
00:34:21,020 --> 00:34:24,460
And this is where it gets interesting, because.

951
00:34:25,760 --> 00:34:29,540
What is happening in the I'll call it

952
00:34:29,540 --> 00:34:34,739
view and like and click based citizen journalism

953
00:34:34,739 --> 00:34:39,139
or creators, we don't play there for 17

954
00:34:39,139 --> 00:34:39,659
years.

955
00:34:39,659 --> 00:34:43,239
We have net we've never cared about how

956
00:34:43,239 --> 00:34:45,960
many until funny enough as I'm putting this

957
00:34:45,960 --> 00:34:47,780
together, you ask void zero.

958
00:34:47,920 --> 00:34:50,520
Hey, man, you got any server stats, which

959
00:34:50,520 --> 00:34:53,840
which as I think we both realized again

960
00:34:53,840 --> 00:34:55,060
is completely useless.

961
00:34:55,500 --> 00:34:56,980
Yeah, we have one hundred and twenty seven

962
00:34:56,980 --> 00:34:59,300
million unique listeners in twenty twenty four.

963
00:34:59,460 --> 00:35:00,340
OK, sure.

964
00:35:00,840 --> 00:35:03,000
Sounds sounds right to me.

965
00:35:04,000 --> 00:35:04,560
Right.

966
00:35:06,080 --> 00:35:09,420
So but there's new incentives that this is

967
00:35:09,420 --> 00:35:12,660
exactly what we do not do on the

968
00:35:12,660 --> 00:35:13,460
no agenda show.

969
00:35:13,580 --> 00:35:15,180
I think a lot of people see influencers

970
00:35:15,180 --> 00:35:16,840
as these like, you know, the sort of

971
00:35:16,840 --> 00:35:19,420
pied pipers like leading around the masses, you

972
00:35:19,420 --> 00:35:21,500
know, but that's not what's actually happening.

973
00:35:22,100 --> 00:35:24,060
The influencer maybe has more followers, but they're

974
00:35:24,060 --> 00:35:27,920
often pulling content up from posts that their

975
00:35:27,920 --> 00:35:29,800
followers are making as well.

976
00:35:29,800 --> 00:35:32,540
One of the interesting phenomenons in the influencer

977
00:35:32,540 --> 00:35:35,300
crowd relationship is this phenomenon called audience capture,

978
00:35:36,040 --> 00:35:39,440
where you'll occasionally see audiences begin to demand.

979
00:35:39,780 --> 00:35:41,580
Why aren't you talking about this?

980
00:35:41,680 --> 00:35:41,780
Right.

981
00:35:41,800 --> 00:35:43,360
That dynamic happened quite a lot in the

982
00:35:43,360 --> 00:35:44,860
days after October 7th.

983
00:35:44,860 --> 00:35:46,100
Why aren't you talking about Israel?

984
00:35:46,180 --> 00:35:48,580
Why aren't you talking about Palestine, where people

985
00:35:48,580 --> 00:35:52,040
felt that they should be applying pressure to

986
00:35:52,040 --> 00:35:54,960
influencers who have reach, who can shape the

987
00:35:54,960 --> 00:35:56,620
discourse, who can shape political opinion?

988
00:35:56,620 --> 00:35:59,320
And the audience feels that the influencer should

989
00:35:59,320 --> 00:36:01,880
be using that power in a particular way.

990
00:36:01,960 --> 00:36:02,440
Right.

991
00:36:02,460 --> 00:36:04,440
And it's really interesting to see those moments

992
00:36:04,440 --> 00:36:06,400
take shape because you realize this is not

993
00:36:06,400 --> 00:36:08,460
just a one sided relationship.

994
00:36:08,780 --> 00:36:12,020
The influencer is absolutely dependent on the crowd

995
00:36:12,020 --> 00:36:12,860
being there.

996
00:36:13,140 --> 00:36:14,080
That's how they make their money.

997
00:36:14,280 --> 00:36:15,640
That's how they have their influence.

998
00:36:15,780 --> 00:36:16,840
That's how they have their reach.

999
00:36:17,160 --> 00:36:18,720
And so they don't want to do too

1000
00:36:18,720 --> 00:36:20,720
much to alienate that crowd.

1001
00:36:22,740 --> 00:36:25,640
This is exactly the way newspapers work.

1002
00:36:27,380 --> 00:36:30,040
This is exactly the way newspapers work.

1003
00:36:30,300 --> 00:36:32,620
You get ahold of the editor, you write

1004
00:36:32,620 --> 00:36:33,840
nasty notes to the editor.

1005
00:36:33,960 --> 00:36:35,060
Why aren't you talking about this?

1006
00:36:35,140 --> 00:36:36,100
Why aren't you talking about that?

1007
00:36:36,180 --> 00:36:37,160
Why aren't you talking about this?

1008
00:36:37,740 --> 00:36:38,860
What is she doing?

1009
00:36:39,020 --> 00:36:39,460
What is she?

1010
00:36:40,320 --> 00:36:41,720
This is ridiculous.

1011
00:36:42,220 --> 00:36:43,140
No, no, no.

1012
00:36:43,220 --> 00:36:45,140
She's making an excellent point.

1013
00:36:45,540 --> 00:36:47,140
This is a very good point.

1014
00:36:47,280 --> 00:36:48,880
And let me bring it home.

1015
00:36:49,040 --> 00:36:49,340
Come on.

1016
00:36:49,340 --> 00:36:51,020
And so they don't want to do too

1017
00:36:51,020 --> 00:36:52,980
much to alienate that crowd.

1018
00:36:53,420 --> 00:36:56,940
And so sometimes you'll see influencers becoming more

1019
00:36:56,940 --> 00:37:00,340
and more ideological if their audience grows in

1020
00:37:00,340 --> 00:37:01,340
a particular direction.

1021
00:37:01,720 --> 00:37:04,360
My point here is that when we started

1022
00:37:04,360 --> 00:37:08,340
this show, we never, never thought that we

1023
00:37:08,340 --> 00:37:10,540
would have to kowtow to any audience because

1024
00:37:10,540 --> 00:37:12,520
initially we didn't care at all.

1025
00:37:12,940 --> 00:37:13,640
We've never cared.

1026
00:37:13,760 --> 00:37:15,460
We've never cared about numbers.

1027
00:37:15,460 --> 00:37:20,420
And throughout just recent history, COVID, a lot

1028
00:37:20,420 --> 00:37:21,720
of people left in the beginning.

1029
00:37:22,260 --> 00:37:24,240
You guys are anti-vax.

1030
00:37:24,260 --> 00:37:24,920
You're nuts.

1031
00:37:25,000 --> 00:37:25,940
You're out of control.

1032
00:37:26,040 --> 00:37:27,040
We're all going to die.

1033
00:37:27,160 --> 00:37:28,500
This is a worldwide problem.

1034
00:37:28,840 --> 00:37:29,520
People are dying.

1035
00:37:29,760 --> 00:37:31,440
They're falling down dead in the street.

1036
00:37:32,360 --> 00:37:34,920
I mean, and by the way, the first

1037
00:37:34,920 --> 00:37:36,660
two weeks, I thought, oh, I like this

1038
00:37:36,660 --> 00:37:38,020
Berks lady before you say it.

1039
00:37:38,460 --> 00:37:40,620
And, you know, I was able to say,

1040
00:37:40,700 --> 00:37:41,520
oh, hold on a second.

1041
00:37:41,700 --> 00:37:44,480
They're showing me climate change statistics here.

1042
00:37:44,480 --> 00:37:45,960
We've got to reevaluate.

1043
00:37:46,340 --> 00:37:47,700
Then came Ukraine-Russia.

1044
00:37:50,420 --> 00:37:53,340
Twice, 2014, then again two years ago.

1045
00:37:53,800 --> 00:37:56,940
Do you remember the flak we got about

1046
00:37:56,940 --> 00:37:59,300
saying, no, this is bull crap, this Ukraine

1047
00:37:59,300 --> 00:37:59,580
thing?

1048
00:37:59,720 --> 00:38:01,380
Do you remember the flak we got?

1049
00:38:01,560 --> 00:38:03,020
We got a lot of flak for COVID.

1050
00:38:03,140 --> 00:38:04,680
We got a lot of flak except for

1051
00:38:04,680 --> 00:38:07,940
the people that stuck with it and finally

1052
00:38:07,940 --> 00:38:10,580
realized that we were right all along.

1053
00:38:11,700 --> 00:38:13,500
I want to mention this.

1054
00:38:13,700 --> 00:38:16,260
One of the reasons that we get things

1055
00:38:16,260 --> 00:38:20,320
right a lot is because we catch early,

1056
00:38:22,300 --> 00:38:23,580
like, for example, with COVID.

1057
00:38:23,860 --> 00:38:27,700
We caught that French guy, the French Nobel

1058
00:38:27,700 --> 00:38:30,180
Prize winner who is considered a screwball.

1059
00:38:30,800 --> 00:38:31,260
Who disappeared.

1060
00:38:31,820 --> 00:38:32,440
Who disappeared.

1061
00:38:32,440 --> 00:38:35,620
He is the one who immediately, as soon

1062
00:38:35,620 --> 00:38:39,140
as the genetic results were released of COVID

1063
00:38:39,140 --> 00:38:43,160
-19, he immediately saw it as an engineered

1064
00:38:43,160 --> 00:38:43,840
virus.

1065
00:38:44,640 --> 00:38:46,840
And he went on and on about it.

1066
00:38:46,860 --> 00:38:51,320
And he immediately said that it would decay

1067
00:38:51,320 --> 00:38:54,340
over time naturally because all these engineered viruses

1068
00:38:54,340 --> 00:38:55,000
do that.

1069
00:38:55,720 --> 00:38:58,780
And what he said made nothing but sense.

1070
00:38:58,780 --> 00:39:00,220
And he was one of those guys that

1071
00:39:00,220 --> 00:39:02,440
I always admire people like this who can

1072
00:39:02,440 --> 00:39:05,040
look at something and immediately see things nobody

1073
00:39:05,040 --> 00:39:05,980
else can see.

1074
00:39:06,400 --> 00:39:09,360
Because that's their whole, their brain is just

1075
00:39:09,360 --> 00:39:11,840
structured the way it is.

1076
00:39:11,880 --> 00:39:13,100
They can just see stuff.

1077
00:39:14,140 --> 00:39:17,500
And so we always catch these guys early

1078
00:39:17,500 --> 00:39:17,920
on.

1079
00:39:18,480 --> 00:39:21,220
And also we can turn on a dime.

1080
00:39:22,060 --> 00:39:22,720
Thank you.

1081
00:39:22,720 --> 00:39:26,540
And, but most importantly, relevant to what Diresta

1082
00:39:26,540 --> 00:39:28,140
is saying here and what you just said

1083
00:39:28,140 --> 00:39:29,980
about how newspapers work, etc.

1084
00:39:30,220 --> 00:39:33,420
We have never kowtowed to the mass audience.

1085
00:39:33,740 --> 00:39:35,900
Otherwise, we'd be sitting here right now telling

1086
00:39:35,900 --> 00:39:38,680
everybody about the genocide in Palestine that the

1087
00:39:38,680 --> 00:39:40,880
evil Zionist Jews have done.

1088
00:39:41,640 --> 00:39:43,460
We have other things to discuss.

1089
00:39:43,620 --> 00:39:44,280
We don't see this.

1090
00:39:44,300 --> 00:39:44,960
Or World War III.

1091
00:39:45,340 --> 00:39:48,000
Well, you're leading me down the path in

1092
00:39:48,000 --> 00:39:48,980
my season of reveal.

1093
00:39:48,980 --> 00:39:51,900
But let's stay with this incentive, which is,

1094
00:39:52,100 --> 00:39:53,620
and this is the culture war economy.

1095
00:39:54,040 --> 00:39:55,940
This is the culture war economy.

1096
00:39:56,080 --> 00:39:58,680
This is why Megan Kelly does what she

1097
00:39:58,680 --> 00:39:59,000
does.

1098
00:39:59,100 --> 00:40:00,860
Why Tucker Carlson does what he does.

1099
00:40:01,460 --> 00:40:04,120
Why Pool Boy, although he seems to be

1100
00:40:04,120 --> 00:40:05,800
falling off the map now that his money

1101
00:40:05,800 --> 00:40:06,520
dried up.

1102
00:40:09,880 --> 00:40:11,820
Bongino, Alex Jones.

1103
00:40:11,820 --> 00:40:15,260
They all want to have their audience consistently

1104
00:40:15,260 --> 00:40:18,020
agreeing with them and them agreeing with their

1105
00:40:18,020 --> 00:40:18,540
audience.

1106
00:40:19,040 --> 00:40:21,980
And then because it is click and view

1107
00:40:21,980 --> 00:40:26,060
based and subscription based media, they're very afraid

1108
00:40:26,060 --> 00:40:28,040
to blow their business model.

1109
00:40:28,180 --> 00:40:30,540
So this is just one incentive that is

1110
00:40:30,540 --> 00:40:33,460
shaping some influencers to the point that they

1111
00:40:33,460 --> 00:40:34,940
might become propagandists.

1112
00:40:35,320 --> 00:40:37,460
What are some other incentives that are shaping

1113
00:40:37,460 --> 00:40:38,980
this new media environment?

1114
00:40:39,720 --> 00:40:42,240
The ecosystem relies a lot on direct patronage.

1115
00:40:42,720 --> 00:40:45,900
You see substack writers making money directly from

1116
00:40:45,900 --> 00:40:47,180
subscriptions themselves.

1117
00:40:47,540 --> 00:40:51,600
That creates particular incentives in order to appeal

1118
00:40:51,600 --> 00:40:53,360
to a group of people to gain your

1119
00:40:53,360 --> 00:40:54,220
initial following.

1120
00:40:54,420 --> 00:40:57,060
You're incentivized to appeal to a niche, right?

1121
00:40:57,100 --> 00:40:58,980
To sort of start somewhere as a person

1122
00:40:58,980 --> 00:41:01,540
who talks about a particular topic and then

1123
00:41:01,540 --> 00:41:03,460
to kind of expand out from there.

1124
00:41:03,700 --> 00:41:06,620
You're incentivized to be entertaining, right?

1125
00:41:06,680 --> 00:41:07,780
To be sensational.

1126
00:41:07,780 --> 00:41:10,480
Get as many engagements as possible.

1127
00:41:10,840 --> 00:41:13,560
As many people engaging and reacting and commenting

1128
00:41:13,560 --> 00:41:15,460
and paying attention to their content.

1129
00:41:16,180 --> 00:41:18,400
And this is an incredible challenge because you

1130
00:41:18,400 --> 00:41:21,600
have to capture attention in an extraordinarily noisy,

1131
00:41:21,740 --> 00:41:23,240
very, very fast paced environment.

1132
00:41:23,460 --> 00:41:24,800
And I'm going to tell you that Rogan

1133
00:41:24,800 --> 00:41:25,600
does this, too.

1134
00:41:26,120 --> 00:41:27,700
He has also pivoted along.

1135
00:41:28,140 --> 00:41:30,700
He was always very, oh, I don't want

1136
00:41:30,700 --> 00:41:32,620
to say anything that'll make people mad.

1137
00:41:32,800 --> 00:41:33,860
And he does that a lot.

1138
00:41:33,860 --> 00:41:36,900
And now he's switched a little bit with

1139
00:41:36,900 --> 00:41:38,740
the crowd that has come along with him.

1140
00:41:38,780 --> 00:41:40,940
And I'm not saying, I'm not blaming anybody,

1141
00:41:41,140 --> 00:41:43,980
but we don't make our, our income doesn't

1142
00:41:43,980 --> 00:41:45,780
come from that system.

1143
00:41:46,240 --> 00:41:47,900
We've always said, if you don't like what

1144
00:41:47,900 --> 00:41:49,280
we're doing, don't listen.

1145
00:41:49,620 --> 00:41:51,240
If you don't like it, don't support us.

1146
00:41:51,800 --> 00:41:53,520
And if we don't get enough to pay

1147
00:41:53,520 --> 00:41:54,900
our rent, we're going to stop doing it.

1148
00:41:54,980 --> 00:41:56,540
Has it ever been any different, our message?

1149
00:41:56,540 --> 00:41:58,600
Not really, but I want to go back

1150
00:41:58,600 --> 00:42:02,940
to what she said, which is she's describing

1151
00:42:02,940 --> 00:42:06,500
mass media before any of this.

1152
00:42:07,080 --> 00:42:09,140
If you're a columnist for the San Francisco

1153
00:42:09,140 --> 00:42:11,900
Examiner, the Chronicle back in the day, or

1154
00:42:11,900 --> 00:42:15,680
the New York Times or the Chicago Sun

1155
00:42:15,680 --> 00:42:18,400
-Times or the Chicago Tribune, you're competing with

1156
00:42:18,400 --> 00:42:18,580
other.

1157
00:42:18,680 --> 00:42:20,080
You have to be entertaining.

1158
00:42:20,480 --> 00:42:22,000
You have to get people to read the

1159
00:42:22,000 --> 00:42:24,560
damn column because it goes back to the

1160
00:42:24,560 --> 00:42:24,840
editors.

1161
00:42:24,840 --> 00:42:25,700
They're going to fire you.

1162
00:42:26,020 --> 00:42:29,020
Everything she's saying applies to mass media.

1163
00:42:29,140 --> 00:42:30,300
She's extrapolating.

1164
00:42:30,640 --> 00:42:32,520
This is such bull crap.

1165
00:42:33,220 --> 00:42:36,900
My point is, say goodbye to the old

1166
00:42:36,900 --> 00:42:37,300
boss.

1167
00:42:37,380 --> 00:42:38,720
Hello to the new boss.

1168
00:42:39,840 --> 00:42:40,700
Thank you.

1169
00:42:40,920 --> 00:42:41,680
You made my point.

1170
00:42:41,780 --> 00:42:44,400
There is nothing new about the new media.

1171
00:42:44,720 --> 00:42:47,640
It is exactly the same model, exactly the

1172
00:42:47,640 --> 00:42:48,400
same reasons.

1173
00:42:48,660 --> 00:42:50,440
But there is a twist that I think

1174
00:42:50,440 --> 00:42:51,320
they're overlooking.

1175
00:42:52,340 --> 00:42:55,680
When I look at the sensationalism of what

1176
00:42:55,680 --> 00:43:00,360
was just on Alex Jones with General Flynn,

1177
00:43:01,020 --> 00:43:04,160
a general, I guess you're a general forever,

1178
00:43:04,960 --> 00:43:05,760
an important cog.

1179
00:43:05,760 --> 00:43:06,500
Yeah, you are.

1180
00:43:06,920 --> 00:43:08,060
Generally, you're a general.

1181
00:43:08,680 --> 00:43:14,100
Mind you, I spent Tuesday scrolling a little

1182
00:43:14,100 --> 00:43:16,360
bit, a little doom scrolling on X, and

1183
00:43:16,360 --> 00:43:19,260
all the Ukraine flags were out again, all

1184
00:43:19,260 --> 00:43:20,360
the Ukraine flags.

1185
00:43:20,360 --> 00:43:24,320
And they're like, oh, oh, Curry host of,

1186
00:43:24,540 --> 00:43:28,360
in quotes, no agenda, who never even played

1187
00:43:28,360 --> 00:43:32,560
the full Victorian Newland call.

1188
00:43:32,660 --> 00:43:34,820
I'm like, dude, we played the whole five

1189
00:43:34,820 --> 00:43:36,160
minutes so many times.

1190
00:43:36,400 --> 00:43:38,460
You never put it in context.

1191
00:43:38,460 --> 00:43:41,200
And there was one of those.

1192
00:43:41,520 --> 00:43:45,440
Paul, we're the only, I want to, since

1193
00:43:45,440 --> 00:43:48,500
you, part of the theme here is tooting

1194
00:43:48,500 --> 00:43:51,560
our own horn, which is somewhat repulsive, but

1195
00:43:51,560 --> 00:43:53,620
at the same time necessary once in a

1196
00:43:53,620 --> 00:43:53,860
while.

1197
00:43:54,320 --> 00:43:56,520
I will mention we're the only podcast I

1198
00:43:56,520 --> 00:43:58,740
know of to this day that ever played

1199
00:43:58,740 --> 00:44:02,420
the Sandy Hook 9-1-1 call.

1200
00:44:03,600 --> 00:44:04,000
Oh, really?

1201
00:44:04,060 --> 00:44:05,060
We're one of the only ones?

1202
00:44:05,520 --> 00:44:07,240
I think we're the only one.

1203
00:44:10,160 --> 00:44:11,260
So moving on.

1204
00:44:12,620 --> 00:44:14,440
Just mentioning in its entirety.

1205
00:44:14,900 --> 00:44:17,360
So we, yes, we played when that Newland

1206
00:44:17,360 --> 00:44:18,860
thing came out, we played the whole thing.

1207
00:44:18,900 --> 00:44:19,720
It went on forever.

1208
00:44:19,840 --> 00:44:22,080
But so, so I respond to this guy

1209
00:44:22,080 --> 00:44:25,160
or whatever, John Smith, 52960.

1210
00:44:25,520 --> 00:44:26,760
So you already know what that is.

1211
00:44:26,880 --> 00:44:28,080
You know what that is.

1212
00:44:28,400 --> 00:44:29,220
Is it a bot?

1213
00:44:29,320 --> 00:44:30,300
Is it just a troll?

1214
00:44:30,440 --> 00:44:31,520
I have my thoughts.

1215
00:44:31,520 --> 00:44:33,240
Then all of a sudden all the Ukraine

1216
00:44:33,240 --> 00:44:35,440
flags come out and they start attacking and

1217
00:44:35,440 --> 00:44:36,940
you have to look at this.

1218
00:44:37,060 --> 00:44:39,120
And haven't you seen how this and literally

1219
00:44:39,120 --> 00:44:41,560
like, oh, look at what's happened to Lauren

1220
00:44:41,560 --> 00:44:42,020
Southern.

1221
00:44:42,160 --> 00:44:43,280
She took Russian money.

1222
00:44:43,480 --> 00:44:44,120
You're right.

1223
00:44:44,180 --> 00:44:45,440
You're Putin propaganda.

1224
00:44:45,620 --> 00:44:48,120
So when this happens, like, OK, now we

1225
00:44:48,120 --> 00:44:50,760
know at this very moment, NATO is incredibly

1226
00:44:50,760 --> 00:44:53,800
afraid of Trump coming in, pulling the plug.

1227
00:44:53,800 --> 00:44:55,780
You know, they they want to keep the

1228
00:44:55,780 --> 00:44:57,260
money moving the war machine.

1229
00:44:57,480 --> 00:44:59,040
And, you know, Trump has a different war

1230
00:44:59,040 --> 00:45:02,140
machine strategy in his mind as far as

1231
00:45:02,140 --> 00:45:03,360
we're concerned for China.

1232
00:45:03,620 --> 00:45:05,380
And it's going to be great for our

1233
00:45:05,380 --> 00:45:05,760
economy.

1234
00:45:05,760 --> 00:45:07,620
Big, beautiful ships are going to have star

1235
00:45:07,620 --> 00:45:08,980
shields, all kinds of stuff.

1236
00:45:09,240 --> 00:45:10,760
But it's not going to be NATO and

1237
00:45:10,760 --> 00:45:12,060
it's not going to be for Ukraine.

1238
00:45:12,220 --> 00:45:14,760
So they're out there trying to work the

1239
00:45:14,760 --> 00:45:17,680
networks and influence the influencers.

1240
00:45:18,700 --> 00:45:20,460
I'll put Glenn Beck in there, too.

1241
00:45:21,100 --> 00:45:23,140
All of these people who are clickbait like

1242
00:45:23,140 --> 00:45:26,560
old media who need to appease their audience

1243
00:45:26,560 --> 00:45:29,060
to keep them spun up with whatever they're

1244
00:45:29,060 --> 00:45:29,820
spun up about.

1245
00:45:30,160 --> 00:45:31,620
But they're being spun up, too.

1246
00:45:31,800 --> 00:45:33,960
And they're being, I think, influence.

1247
00:45:34,600 --> 00:45:36,780
And it's from people like Flynn who go.

1248
00:45:36,860 --> 00:45:39,420
This is a general who is going on

1249
00:45:39,420 --> 00:45:40,940
to Infowars to do this.

1250
00:45:40,940 --> 00:45:42,860
The advent of World War three.

1251
00:45:43,260 --> 00:45:44,360
We are in the midst of it.

1252
00:45:45,180 --> 00:45:49,760
The exchange of nuclear, very provocative nuclear capable

1253
00:45:49,760 --> 00:45:52,800
weapons have already been have already occurred.

1254
00:45:53,680 --> 00:45:55,620
Alex has done an amazing job over these

1255
00:45:55,620 --> 00:45:56,660
last couple of weeks.

1256
00:45:56,800 --> 00:45:57,900
Really talking about great.

1257
00:45:58,100 --> 00:45:59,720
And I know we have talked about this,

1258
00:45:59,800 --> 00:46:02,800
talking about the shift in Russia's nuclear policy,

1259
00:46:02,920 --> 00:46:04,120
talking about first use.

1260
00:46:04,120 --> 00:46:06,600
And I want people to, you know, he

1261
00:46:06,600 --> 00:46:09,860
asked me prior about Secretary Austin and what

1262
00:46:09,860 --> 00:46:11,320
Secretary Austin's comments were.

1263
00:46:11,740 --> 00:46:14,620
And I think that, you know, what Putin

1264
00:46:14,620 --> 00:46:17,280
did when he fired this missile, he gave

1265
00:46:17,280 --> 00:46:19,060
what I call the ultimate warning.

1266
00:46:19,280 --> 00:46:24,160
The ultimate warning message from Vladimir Putin to

1267
00:46:24,160 --> 00:46:27,440
not to Ukraine, but to the West to

1268
00:46:27,440 --> 00:46:30,280
say, hey, folks, look, we are not.

1269
00:46:30,500 --> 00:46:31,940
I have a responsibility.

1270
00:46:31,940 --> 00:46:34,340
Now I'm putting my my feet, which I've

1271
00:46:34,340 --> 00:46:36,680
had to do for my entire military career,

1272
00:46:36,720 --> 00:46:38,680
was to put my feet into the boots

1273
00:46:38,680 --> 00:46:39,360
of our enemies.

1274
00:46:39,640 --> 00:46:43,040
OK, so my my analysis of where President

1275
00:46:43,040 --> 00:46:44,980
Putin is at is he's got to sit

1276
00:46:44,980 --> 00:46:46,880
there with his own people and say we

1277
00:46:46,880 --> 00:46:48,480
are going to protect the sovereignty of our

1278
00:46:48,480 --> 00:46:48,820
country.

1279
00:46:48,960 --> 00:46:50,460
We are going to protect the safety and

1280
00:46:50,460 --> 00:46:52,160
security of our citizenry.

1281
00:46:52,160 --> 00:46:56,400
And I can't allow a nuclear capable, offensive,

1282
00:46:56,680 --> 00:46:59,240
provocative weapon to be fired into Russia without

1283
00:46:59,240 --> 00:47:02,740
some type of of response, without some type

1284
00:47:02,740 --> 00:47:05,920
of adjustment in my military and in my

1285
00:47:05,920 --> 00:47:08,200
political, my diplomatic posture.

1286
00:47:08,200 --> 00:47:11,440
So this guy is one of these military

1287
00:47:11,440 --> 00:47:15,600
people who is spreading this this war, fear

1288
00:47:15,600 --> 00:47:18,420
mongering stuff, just like the grid's going to

1289
00:47:18,420 --> 00:47:19,000
go down.

1290
00:47:19,080 --> 00:47:21,480
There will be no election like McGregor, another

1291
00:47:21,480 --> 00:47:23,100
another ex-military guy.

1292
00:47:23,700 --> 00:47:25,720
And if you look for since 2011, really

1293
00:47:25,720 --> 00:47:28,800
since the 70s, but 2011, the Defense Agency

1294
00:47:28,800 --> 00:47:34,680
Research Project has funded multiple studies about social

1295
00:47:34,680 --> 00:47:36,660
media in strategic communication.

1296
00:47:37,120 --> 00:47:38,240
They have been used.

1297
00:47:38,540 --> 00:47:39,560
And so that's when I when I see

1298
00:47:39,560 --> 00:47:40,840
these Ukraine flags come out.

1299
00:47:41,220 --> 00:47:44,580
This is military operations and they influence people.

1300
00:47:44,940 --> 00:47:46,500
And I don't want to say they're weak

1301
00:47:46,500 --> 00:47:48,060
brothers and sisters, but they are.

1302
00:47:48,400 --> 00:47:49,840
And they're all they are.

1303
00:47:50,020 --> 00:47:50,200
They are.

1304
00:47:50,340 --> 00:47:50,740
Totally.

1305
00:47:50,920 --> 00:47:51,540
They're all.

1306
00:47:51,640 --> 00:47:53,200
And this is the influencers.

1307
00:47:53,380 --> 00:47:54,440
This is the creators.

1308
00:47:54,840 --> 00:47:56,780
And we only need to go back to

1309
00:47:56,780 --> 00:47:59,740
the State Department with Hillary Clinton to be

1310
00:47:59,740 --> 00:48:03,820
reminded why Smith Mundt was basically scrapped in

1311
00:48:03,820 --> 00:48:05,360
2012 under Obama.

1312
00:48:05,360 --> 00:48:07,020
I mean, the old days of, you know,

1313
00:48:07,120 --> 00:48:09,820
radio free Europe and getting and beaming in

1314
00:48:09,820 --> 00:48:13,460
accurate information into the homes of Russians.

1315
00:48:13,720 --> 00:48:15,380
We should be doing everything we can now

1316
00:48:15,380 --> 00:48:16,920
online to replicate that.

1317
00:48:17,020 --> 00:48:19,900
It will be very difficult for Putin to

1318
00:48:19,900 --> 00:48:22,520
plug all the holes in that dike.

1319
00:48:23,020 --> 00:48:27,040
Information going into Russia about what Putin is

1320
00:48:27,040 --> 00:48:31,640
actually doing with this unprovoked attack on Ukraine

1321
00:48:31,640 --> 00:48:33,980
can keep people energized.

1322
00:48:33,980 --> 00:48:36,520
And I think that's something that we should

1323
00:48:36,520 --> 00:48:38,120
be doing, as I say, both through our

1324
00:48:38,120 --> 00:48:41,240
government, but also individuals who have the capacity

1325
00:48:41,240 --> 00:48:41,800
to do that.

1326
00:48:41,920 --> 00:48:44,960
Our tech companies should not be aiding Russia

1327
00:48:44,960 --> 00:48:46,720
in this attack in any way.

1328
00:48:46,820 --> 00:48:48,360
They should be aiding those who are standing

1329
00:48:48,360 --> 00:48:51,100
for freedom, which, after all, is something that,

1330
00:48:51,100 --> 00:48:53,360
you know, they're supposed to be on the

1331
00:48:53,360 --> 00:48:53,820
side of.

1332
00:48:53,880 --> 00:48:55,180
So a lot of this came out of

1333
00:48:55,180 --> 00:48:56,040
the State Department.

1334
00:48:56,180 --> 00:48:57,120
It had a name.

1335
00:48:57,220 --> 00:48:59,380
And Victoria Nuland, when she was the spokeswoman,

1336
00:48:59,520 --> 00:49:00,540
told us about it.

1337
00:49:00,540 --> 00:49:03,560
The Baltic countries, Poland, a number of our

1338
00:49:03,560 --> 00:49:08,300
Eastern European allies have long experience with responding

1339
00:49:08,300 --> 00:49:10,300
to disinformation on the part of Russia.

1340
00:49:10,580 --> 00:49:13,300
Are we coordinating that effort in any way?

1341
00:49:14,220 --> 00:49:15,280
Absolutely, Senator.

1342
00:49:15,440 --> 00:49:17,220
I think you know the State Department's Global

1343
00:49:17,220 --> 00:49:20,100
Engagement Center, which you all helped us stand

1344
00:49:20,100 --> 00:49:21,060
up and supported.

1345
00:49:21,740 --> 00:49:26,240
We work 24-7 with other allies and

1346
00:49:26,240 --> 00:49:28,420
partners, not just in Europe, but around the

1347
00:49:28,420 --> 00:49:32,960
world to bring to light Russian disinformation campaigns

1348
00:49:32,960 --> 00:49:35,040
and who is pushing them.

1349
00:49:35,140 --> 00:49:37,340
We also work with the tech companies.

1350
00:49:37,640 --> 00:49:39,800
We work with the tech companies, of course

1351
00:49:39,800 --> 00:49:40,180
we do.

1352
00:49:40,400 --> 00:49:44,120
And it's not the censorship industrial complex is

1353
00:49:44,120 --> 00:49:44,760
the cover.

1354
00:49:45,300 --> 00:49:45,980
That's the cover.

1355
00:49:46,040 --> 00:49:48,120
It's not about censoring people.

1356
00:49:48,120 --> 00:49:49,460
That's so we can all go nuts.

1357
00:49:49,620 --> 00:49:52,560
The shadow banning me.

1358
00:49:52,680 --> 00:49:53,620
No one gives a crap.

1359
00:49:54,000 --> 00:49:58,120
It's about using the networks to actually.

1360
00:49:58,880 --> 00:50:00,200
You said this so best.

1361
00:50:00,560 --> 00:50:02,960
The Internet only made it easier for the

1362
00:50:02,960 --> 00:50:03,560
propaganda.

1363
00:50:04,060 --> 00:50:06,140
It didn't make it so, oh, we'll all

1364
00:50:06,140 --> 00:50:07,160
have better information.

1365
00:50:07,400 --> 00:50:10,520
No, it made it so that influencers and

1366
00:50:10,520 --> 00:50:12,780
creators are getting all this stuff.

1367
00:50:12,780 --> 00:50:15,660
I think tech companies are actually heating some

1368
00:50:15,660 --> 00:50:17,820
of these accounts to bubble them to the

1369
00:50:17,820 --> 00:50:18,080
top.

1370
00:50:18,180 --> 00:50:20,580
It's the opposite, which shows what Mike Benz

1371
00:50:20,580 --> 00:50:21,260
is really about.

1372
00:50:21,600 --> 00:50:24,440
He's always talking about, oh, the censorship industrial

1373
00:50:24,440 --> 00:50:28,060
complex, the State Department's Global Engagement Center.

1374
00:50:28,280 --> 00:50:29,660
It wasn't about censorship.

1375
00:50:29,980 --> 00:50:32,800
It was about propagandizing us.

1376
00:50:33,400 --> 00:50:35,760
As we this is Lumpkin in 2018 from

1377
00:50:35,760 --> 00:50:38,200
the State Department's Global Engagement Center.

1378
00:50:38,200 --> 00:50:42,760
As we work the data piece and it

1379
00:50:42,760 --> 00:50:45,280
gives us the ability instead of just throwing

1380
00:50:45,280 --> 00:50:47,180
a message out and hope it lands.

1381
00:50:47,780 --> 00:50:49,180
We can actually I call that kind of

1382
00:50:49,180 --> 00:50:52,180
meat cleaver messaging as you throw it out

1383
00:50:52,180 --> 00:50:52,480
there.

1384
00:50:52,920 --> 00:50:55,300
And hopefully it hits the right audience as

1385
00:50:55,300 --> 00:50:56,640
we have the ability.

1386
00:50:57,020 --> 00:50:58,780
And I'll use an example of something we've

1387
00:50:58,780 --> 00:51:01,980
started this year, and this is using Facebook

1388
00:51:01,980 --> 00:51:02,340
ads.

1389
00:51:02,660 --> 00:51:04,140
I can go within Facebook.

1390
00:51:04,400 --> 00:51:06,640
I can I can go grab an audience.

1391
00:51:06,640 --> 00:51:09,320
I can I'll give a hypothetical.

1392
00:51:09,540 --> 00:51:10,900
I can pick country X.

1393
00:51:11,080 --> 00:51:14,220
I need age group 13 to 34.

1394
00:51:14,760 --> 00:51:17,900
I need people who who've liked, you know,

1395
00:51:17,940 --> 00:51:21,260
whether it's Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi or any

1396
00:51:21,260 --> 00:51:22,480
other set.

1397
00:51:22,780 --> 00:51:24,920
And I can shoot and hit them directly

1398
00:51:24,920 --> 00:51:27,760
with messages for in some places in the

1399
00:51:27,760 --> 00:51:28,000
world.

1400
00:51:28,160 --> 00:51:30,560
It's literally pennies a click to do.

1401
00:51:30,560 --> 00:51:34,740
So you add the ability to actually manage

1402
00:51:34,740 --> 00:51:38,040
and identify and see your audience based on

1403
00:51:38,040 --> 00:51:41,200
their social media preferences.

1404
00:51:41,760 --> 00:51:43,680
Does it get any better than that?

1405
00:51:43,760 --> 00:51:46,720
The entire advertising system is set up for

1406
00:51:46,720 --> 00:51:49,700
our own government to propagandize exactly who they

1407
00:51:49,700 --> 00:51:50,220
want.

1408
00:51:50,480 --> 00:51:52,640
So let me get some Dan Bongino listeners

1409
00:51:52,640 --> 00:51:53,320
or viewers.

1410
00:51:53,580 --> 00:51:55,880
I can get them right with advertising tools.

1411
00:51:55,880 --> 00:51:58,060
Here's Tom Shanker of The New York Times

1412
00:51:58,060 --> 00:52:01,300
from 2011 talking about the U.S. military

1413
00:52:01,300 --> 00:52:01,920
doing this.

1414
00:52:02,100 --> 00:52:03,140
Yeah, it certainly did.

1415
00:52:03,260 --> 00:52:06,220
What the American military intelligence can do is

1416
00:52:06,220 --> 00:52:10,980
forge the watermarks or certification, if you will,

1417
00:52:11,280 --> 00:52:13,000
of official Al-Qaeda postings.

1418
00:52:13,100 --> 00:52:15,120
Because they don't want people going online and

1419
00:52:15,120 --> 00:52:16,420
pretending to be them.

1420
00:52:16,640 --> 00:52:19,380
But, you know, American cyber technology is so

1421
00:52:19,380 --> 00:52:21,060
advanced that they can have a near near

1422
00:52:21,060 --> 00:52:24,180
perfect recreation of an Al-Qaeda message.

1423
00:52:24,180 --> 00:52:26,320
And what they're doing from time to time

1424
00:52:26,320 --> 00:52:29,120
is going on to jihadi websites and posting

1425
00:52:29,120 --> 00:52:32,620
conflicting and contradictory orders.

1426
00:52:32,960 --> 00:52:36,620
Statements that raise doubt about who the jihadi

1427
00:52:36,620 --> 00:52:38,780
should follow and who's really in charge.

1428
00:52:38,980 --> 00:52:40,840
And is this person still alive?

1429
00:52:40,960 --> 00:52:42,640
Are they still in control?

1430
00:52:43,160 --> 00:52:46,000
And the goal is to really disrupt the

1431
00:52:46,000 --> 00:52:50,140
entire network by sowing distrust and dissent and

1432
00:52:50,140 --> 00:52:51,220
confusion.

1433
00:52:51,540 --> 00:52:52,980
We've been told that they've had some great

1434
00:52:52,980 --> 00:52:53,820
successes at that.

1435
00:52:53,820 --> 00:52:54,280
Yes.

1436
00:52:54,700 --> 00:52:55,740
Right here in America.

1437
00:52:56,320 --> 00:52:57,680
Great successes with it.

1438
00:52:58,000 --> 00:53:01,520
By sowing distrust and confusion amongst Americans.

1439
00:53:01,800 --> 00:53:02,320
Final clip.

1440
00:53:03,000 --> 00:53:03,240
Yes.

1441
00:53:03,900 --> 00:53:05,480
And before you wrapped it with the final

1442
00:53:05,480 --> 00:53:08,260
clip, this all harkens back to the note

1443
00:53:08,260 --> 00:53:11,260
that that dumb wife of that one of

1444
00:53:11,260 --> 00:53:13,640
our producers left on the back door.

1445
00:53:13,760 --> 00:53:13,980
Yes.

1446
00:53:14,220 --> 00:53:14,400
Yes.

1447
00:53:15,100 --> 00:53:16,880
It's all sides.

1448
00:53:17,420 --> 00:53:18,460
It's all sides.

1449
00:53:18,460 --> 00:53:21,320
And we all fall in love with these.

1450
00:53:21,700 --> 00:53:22,860
Oh, this guy's great.

1451
00:53:22,920 --> 00:53:24,380
He says exactly what I think.

1452
00:53:24,480 --> 00:53:25,200
Yeah, of course.

1453
00:53:26,640 --> 00:53:28,700
That's his or her business model.

1454
00:53:29,120 --> 00:53:32,260
And meanwhile, they're getting everything from the audience

1455
00:53:32,260 --> 00:53:32,840
capture.

1456
00:53:33,260 --> 00:53:37,400
Man, how many how many trolls and spooks

1457
00:53:37,400 --> 00:53:40,820
and are actually military people doing their business?

1458
00:53:40,820 --> 00:53:43,880
Because in 2011, the State Department already had

1459
00:53:43,880 --> 00:53:46,480
7000 of them working on this stuff.

1460
00:53:46,480 --> 00:53:50,460
Nearly, we spend nearly $70 million a year

1461
00:53:50,460 --> 00:53:53,580
on these programs, both in Iran and around

1462
00:53:53,580 --> 00:53:54,080
the world.

1463
00:53:54,640 --> 00:53:57,620
At the same time, we're also developing and

1464
00:53:57,620 --> 00:54:01,440
distributing new technologies, more than 20 of them,

1465
00:54:01,780 --> 00:54:05,460
to empower activists around the globe to access

1466
00:54:05,460 --> 00:54:08,660
uncensored censored content on the Internet and to

1467
00:54:08,660 --> 00:54:10,900
communicate with each other and to tell their

1468
00:54:10,900 --> 00:54:11,420
stories.

1469
00:54:11,420 --> 00:54:14,580
And to date, we've funded the training of

1470
00:54:14,580 --> 00:54:19,320
more than 7500 activists around the world in

1471
00:54:19,320 --> 00:54:20,080
these programs.

1472
00:54:20,340 --> 00:54:25,180
So the old model of the spooks and

1473
00:54:25,180 --> 00:54:28,340
the spokes holes going on to CNN, MSNBC

1474
00:54:28,340 --> 00:54:32,540
and whatever to give you the messaging is

1475
00:54:32,540 --> 00:54:32,900
over.

1476
00:54:32,900 --> 00:54:34,680
It's now online.

1477
00:54:34,860 --> 00:54:36,980
It's on social media networks.

1478
00:54:37,620 --> 00:54:41,560
And the creators are being boosted, maybe even

1479
00:54:41,560 --> 00:54:43,480
boosted to make sure they do get a

1480
00:54:43,480 --> 00:54:44,040
lot of money.

1481
00:54:44,380 --> 00:54:45,100
Hey, wait a minute.

1482
00:54:45,240 --> 00:54:47,360
This message I'm spreading right now is really

1483
00:54:47,360 --> 00:54:47,720
working.

1484
00:54:48,080 --> 00:54:49,680
I should not stop doing that.

1485
00:54:50,320 --> 00:54:52,180
And then when you have the largest one

1486
00:54:52,180 --> 00:54:55,820
of the largest government contractors, certainly for military

1487
00:54:55,820 --> 00:54:59,780
buying a social media network, you've just got

1488
00:54:59,780 --> 00:55:01,660
to consider what's going on.

1489
00:55:03,810 --> 00:55:07,470
And you're no agenda show is not part

1490
00:55:07,470 --> 00:55:11,890
of that model because we're struggling with 17

1491
00:55:11,890 --> 00:55:14,310
years and we are not millionaires from this

1492
00:55:14,310 --> 00:55:14,830
business.

1493
00:55:15,770 --> 00:55:18,210
Because we've never played that, we've never cared

1494
00:55:18,210 --> 00:55:19,530
about it, and we're not in the right

1495
00:55:19,530 --> 00:55:20,070
system.

1496
00:55:20,630 --> 00:55:21,630
This is why everyone.

1497
00:55:21,930 --> 00:55:23,310
Oh, if you want to you want a

1498
00:55:23,310 --> 00:55:25,210
podcast, you've got to be on YouTube.

1499
00:55:25,810 --> 00:55:28,850
Of course, because they have algorithms that can

1500
00:55:28,850 --> 00:55:29,930
be boosted.

1501
00:55:29,930 --> 00:55:31,610
If you've got the right message, let's give

1502
00:55:31,610 --> 00:55:34,630
these guys a little boost, either through 7000

1503
00:55:34,630 --> 00:55:35,890
people liking them.

1504
00:55:35,990 --> 00:55:37,010
I don't know what they're doing.

1505
00:55:37,790 --> 00:55:40,530
This is the last four years of this

1506
00:55:40,530 --> 00:55:41,910
show that we're facing now are going to

1507
00:55:41,910 --> 00:55:42,510
be interesting.

1508
00:55:43,350 --> 00:55:45,590
To me, very interesting to see how people

1509
00:55:45,590 --> 00:55:49,070
fall into what they believe is truth because

1510
00:55:49,070 --> 00:55:51,210
it's not from the mainstream media and it's

1511
00:55:51,210 --> 00:55:53,110
coming from their favorite creators.

1512
00:55:57,370 --> 00:55:58,290
That's a good one.

1513
00:55:59,610 --> 00:56:02,810
It just dawned on me like, wow, this

1514
00:56:02,810 --> 00:56:05,710
is happening and it's it's going to be

1515
00:56:05,710 --> 00:56:07,430
interesting to watch.

1516
00:56:07,850 --> 00:56:11,530
See, I had this right 30 plus years

1517
00:56:11,530 --> 00:56:11,910
ago.

1518
00:56:12,310 --> 00:56:14,670
The Internet should have been shuttered immediately.

1519
00:56:15,670 --> 00:56:17,370
Shut it down right away.

1520
00:56:17,470 --> 00:56:18,270
It's no good.

1521
00:56:18,770 --> 00:56:19,570
It's too late.

1522
00:56:19,650 --> 00:56:20,970
It's way too late.

1523
00:56:21,990 --> 00:56:25,030
And then, you know, when you hear, you

1524
00:56:25,030 --> 00:56:26,890
know, like this, as you thought, I'm sure

1525
00:56:26,890 --> 00:56:28,170
you're not following Romania.

1526
00:56:28,530 --> 00:56:29,430
I mean, why would we?

1527
00:56:30,210 --> 00:56:33,230
But Romania now has yet another far right

1528
00:56:33,230 --> 00:56:33,890
populist.

1529
00:56:34,730 --> 00:56:36,630
And, you know, how did he do it?

1530
00:56:37,190 --> 00:56:38,050
Gee, I don't know.

1531
00:56:38,210 --> 00:56:40,610
Rising results that we can see with the

1532
00:56:40,610 --> 00:56:41,290
far right.

1533
00:56:42,490 --> 00:56:44,030
All right.

1534
00:56:44,310 --> 00:56:47,830
First, and he's now followed by Elena Lasko.

1535
00:56:47,870 --> 00:56:52,270
She's the candidate of the progressive liberal USR

1536
00:56:52,270 --> 00:56:52,770
party.

1537
00:56:53,230 --> 00:56:56,990
She mainly gathered the votes of pro European

1538
00:56:56,990 --> 00:57:00,210
voters, but also undecided voters.

1539
00:57:00,210 --> 00:57:04,810
On the other hand, was not expected to

1540
00:57:04,810 --> 00:57:06,790
to to reach the runoff.

1541
00:57:06,930 --> 00:57:09,250
He was credited with about seven percent of

1542
00:57:09,250 --> 00:57:11,230
votes maximum by by the polls.

1543
00:57:11,510 --> 00:57:15,230
The previous before the elections happened.

1544
00:57:15,310 --> 00:57:17,570
And this is a surprise.

1545
00:57:17,570 --> 00:57:20,370
But many analysts are saying that the power

1546
00:57:20,370 --> 00:57:24,130
of social media, especially TikTok, has been largely

1547
00:57:24,130 --> 00:57:25,250
underestimated.

1548
00:57:25,250 --> 00:57:29,650
And so and so when you read that

1549
00:57:29,650 --> 00:57:33,430
Trump, that Trump is going to credential creators,

1550
00:57:33,710 --> 00:57:36,790
YouTubers and podcasters to be in the press

1551
00:57:36,790 --> 00:57:37,810
briefing briefing.

1552
00:57:38,450 --> 00:57:40,150
What do you think that's about?

1553
00:57:41,150 --> 00:57:42,330
It's obvious.

1554
00:57:43,870 --> 00:57:45,150
That's the that's the new way.

1555
00:57:45,230 --> 00:57:47,970
And Trump gets it like you got to

1556
00:57:47,970 --> 00:57:48,170
bring.

1557
00:57:48,470 --> 00:57:49,570
And these are all.

1558
00:57:49,770 --> 00:57:51,410
Hey, man, if I got invited to the

1559
00:57:51,410 --> 00:57:52,910
White House for anything, I'd be like, wow,

1560
00:57:52,910 --> 00:57:53,590
this is cool.

1561
00:57:54,010 --> 00:57:57,030
Yeah, well, that's like, remember, they brought the

1562
00:57:57,030 --> 00:57:59,770
years ago for it started with bloggers.

1563
00:57:59,890 --> 00:58:01,890
They brought the bloggers to the convention, the

1564
00:58:01,890 --> 00:58:02,770
Democrat or Republican.

1565
00:58:03,410 --> 00:58:04,930
You know, it's a bunch of bloggers, but

1566
00:58:04,930 --> 00:58:05,550
the bloggers.

1567
00:58:05,590 --> 00:58:08,210
Yeah, but the bloggers see this is this

1568
00:58:08,210 --> 00:58:09,610
is what they gave way to the podcasters.

1569
00:58:10,270 --> 00:58:10,810
Well, hold on.

1570
00:58:11,650 --> 00:58:14,050
Bloggers got no juice and they got no

1571
00:58:14,050 --> 00:58:14,530
juice.

1572
00:58:14,870 --> 00:58:17,070
That's why the social I mean, when Twitter

1573
00:58:17,070 --> 00:58:19,770
started, it was RSS feed based, actually.

1574
00:58:19,770 --> 00:58:21,610
And that's why it failed all the time.

1575
00:58:21,750 --> 00:58:25,710
But it was the algorithm that heat stuff

1576
00:58:25,710 --> 00:58:27,910
up to the top that made it interesting

1577
00:58:27,910 --> 00:58:29,890
so that somebody could go viral.

1578
00:58:30,170 --> 00:58:32,610
Your ego kicks in, your greed kicks in.

1579
00:58:32,670 --> 00:58:33,750
Now you're wide open.

1580
00:58:34,010 --> 00:58:35,030
Hey, come to the White House.

1581
00:58:35,150 --> 00:58:36,290
Yeah, I'll post whatever you want.

1582
00:58:36,350 --> 00:58:36,910
Trump, you rock.

1583
00:58:37,410 --> 00:58:39,170
Clinton, Obama, whatever.

1584
00:58:39,290 --> 00:58:40,950
You rock podcasters.

1585
00:58:41,050 --> 00:58:42,290
We have no algorithm.

1586
00:58:42,790 --> 00:58:44,730
So there's no way for us to be

1587
00:58:44,730 --> 00:58:46,630
go viral or go to the top.

1588
00:58:46,630 --> 00:58:50,410
That's why these social networks are the key

1589
00:58:50,410 --> 00:58:53,290
to the propaganda, to the messaging.

1590
00:58:53,490 --> 00:58:54,250
This is how it works.

1591
00:58:54,450 --> 00:58:55,790
It's so human.

1592
00:58:56,570 --> 00:58:58,130
Like if all of a sudden you're doing

1593
00:58:58,130 --> 00:59:00,690
100 million views, like I got to do

1594
00:59:00,690 --> 00:59:01,410
more of this.

1595
00:59:02,090 --> 00:59:02,250
Yeah.

1596
00:59:02,630 --> 00:59:05,190
No, you get 100 million views on something.

1597
00:59:05,370 --> 00:59:07,590
You you you have to assume you're a

1598
00:59:07,590 --> 00:59:08,010
genius.

1599
00:59:08,270 --> 00:59:09,110
Well, no doubt.

1600
00:59:09,290 --> 00:59:10,130
I really know.

1601
00:59:10,270 --> 00:59:11,770
I'm that good.

1602
00:59:11,930 --> 00:59:12,630
I'm that good.

1603
00:59:16,470 --> 00:59:20,150
So clearly we need to have a no

1604
00:59:20,150 --> 00:59:23,130
agenda reporter at the White House and we're

1605
00:59:23,130 --> 00:59:24,630
going to credential someone.

1606
00:59:25,350 --> 00:59:27,550
Someone because it's in D.C., we probably

1607
00:59:27,550 --> 00:59:29,170
thought D.C. girl would be the good

1608
00:59:29,170 --> 00:59:29,670
one to get.

1609
00:59:29,970 --> 00:59:32,110
Well, she's got D.C. in her name.

1610
00:59:32,210 --> 00:59:32,630
She does.

1611
00:59:32,730 --> 00:59:34,950
So she should be our no agenda representative

1612
00:59:34,950 --> 00:59:37,050
in the in the briefing room.

1613
00:59:37,530 --> 00:59:39,590
I mean, it makes so much sense.

1614
00:59:39,770 --> 00:59:41,110
This is and you're right.

1615
00:59:41,270 --> 00:59:43,690
It's goodbye to the say goodbye to the

1616
00:59:43,690 --> 00:59:44,150
old boss.

1617
00:59:44,210 --> 00:59:45,250
Hello to the new boss.

1618
00:59:45,330 --> 00:59:46,830
It's the exact same thing.

1619
00:59:47,010 --> 00:59:48,690
And when you step out of your out

1620
00:59:48,690 --> 00:59:50,070
of your line, well, you're not doing it

1621
00:59:50,070 --> 00:59:50,370
right.

1622
00:59:50,550 --> 00:59:52,170
Then all of a sudden your views are

1623
00:59:52,170 --> 00:59:52,690
going to drop.

1624
00:59:53,510 --> 00:59:54,650
It's so obvious.

1625
00:59:56,250 --> 00:59:58,950
And I'm not even accusing Elon Musk of

1626
00:59:58,950 --> 01:00:00,710
doing anything nefarious.

1627
01:00:01,070 --> 01:00:02,670
I mean, they just go in, use the

1628
01:00:02,670 --> 01:00:03,750
advertising system.

1629
01:00:03,790 --> 01:00:04,790
Who do I need to target?

1630
01:00:04,790 --> 01:00:06,690
OK, let me get some.

1631
01:00:07,610 --> 01:00:10,250
Let me get some Megyn Kelly people here.

1632
01:00:10,370 --> 01:00:10,610
All right.

1633
01:00:10,630 --> 01:00:12,150
I'll just select all of them.

1634
01:00:12,270 --> 01:00:12,890
Click, click, click.

1635
01:00:13,110 --> 01:00:15,750
I'm going to start to start making some

1636
01:00:15,750 --> 01:00:17,210
noise that I think is important.

1637
01:00:17,790 --> 01:00:19,090
Bubble that to the top.

1638
01:00:19,750 --> 01:00:20,310
It's perfect.

1639
01:00:20,950 --> 01:00:22,150
It's a perfect system.

1640
01:00:22,170 --> 01:00:23,250
It's a giant scam.

1641
01:00:24,790 --> 01:00:26,350
And we're not a part of it.

1642
01:00:26,390 --> 01:00:30,170
Somehow we've missed every single huge money making

1643
01:00:30,170 --> 01:00:32,430
opportunity in the lifetime of the show.

1644
01:00:32,430 --> 01:00:34,390
Yeah, but the problem is it's a double

1645
01:00:34,390 --> 01:00:36,230
edged sword with us.

1646
01:00:36,410 --> 01:00:39,390
We have at least we have a baseline

1647
01:00:39,390 --> 01:00:40,790
of consistency.

1648
01:00:41,090 --> 01:00:42,810
We even know people say we're inconsistent.

1649
01:00:43,010 --> 01:00:43,530
That's not true.

1650
01:00:43,630 --> 01:00:45,590
We're extremely consistent the way we look at

1651
01:00:45,590 --> 01:00:45,910
things.

1652
01:00:47,150 --> 01:00:50,130
We are pretty much apolitical.

1653
01:00:50,230 --> 01:00:52,510
People don't want to accept that because, you

1654
01:00:52,510 --> 01:00:54,930
know, we don't didn't like Harris.

1655
01:00:56,490 --> 01:00:58,390
I think we can both agree on that.

1656
01:00:58,470 --> 01:00:59,990
She was just a no good.

1657
01:00:59,990 --> 01:01:00,950
No good.

1658
01:01:01,090 --> 01:01:01,310
No good.

1659
01:01:01,310 --> 01:01:01,930
She's no good.

1660
01:01:01,990 --> 01:01:03,950
She was I have my thoughts on it,

1661
01:01:03,970 --> 01:01:05,390
which is even more extreme.

1662
01:01:07,290 --> 01:01:09,050
And you're a California boy.

1663
01:01:09,110 --> 01:01:10,390
That's why you're out there.

1664
01:01:10,470 --> 01:01:11,970
You know, you know the story, you know,

1665
01:01:11,970 --> 01:01:12,450
the background.

1666
01:01:12,990 --> 01:01:17,450
And so they in fact, we Mimi was

1667
01:01:17,450 --> 01:01:17,910
always mentioned.

1668
01:01:18,030 --> 01:01:20,590
We would run into her and Willie Brown

1669
01:01:20,590 --> 01:01:22,610
at Star's Restaurant quite a few times.

1670
01:01:22,670 --> 01:01:23,130
Yes, yes.

1671
01:01:23,130 --> 01:01:24,050
You have mentioned this.

1672
01:01:24,210 --> 01:01:26,050
And I bumped and Jeff talked to him.

1673
01:01:26,110 --> 01:01:29,010
He's a he's a close talker.

1674
01:01:29,010 --> 01:01:29,630
Another one.

1675
01:01:30,010 --> 01:01:31,750
Oh, does he spit or just.

1676
01:01:32,210 --> 01:01:34,350
I didn't get any of that, but he's

1677
01:01:34,350 --> 01:01:35,170
a close talker.

1678
01:01:35,250 --> 01:01:37,290
And he I have learned a lot of

1679
01:01:37,290 --> 01:01:39,330
close talkers over over the years.

1680
01:01:39,510 --> 01:01:40,570
It's always like you.

1681
01:01:40,650 --> 01:01:43,290
You keep very slowly trying to back up.

1682
01:01:43,830 --> 01:01:45,090
And it's just like you can't do it.

1683
01:01:45,250 --> 01:01:47,690
And by the way, just so just to

1684
01:01:47,690 --> 01:01:49,570
show you how rampant this corruption is.

1685
01:01:49,630 --> 01:01:51,050
I mean, this is a very short clip

1686
01:01:51,050 --> 01:01:53,290
and it's really there's gambling going on.

1687
01:01:53,290 --> 01:01:56,230
But, you know, the ongoing feud between Drake

1688
01:01:56,230 --> 01:01:58,210
and Kendrick Lamar, Kendrick Lamar.

1689
01:01:58,210 --> 01:02:00,990
They're doing these diss tracks back and forth

1690
01:02:00,990 --> 01:02:02,910
like, hey, man, you're not a part of

1691
01:02:02,910 --> 01:02:05,490
the culture, Drake, because, you know, you're a

1692
01:02:05,490 --> 01:02:05,970
Canadian.

1693
01:02:05,970 --> 01:02:08,090
First of all, you're part Jewish.

1694
01:02:08,110 --> 01:02:09,050
You're half white.

1695
01:02:09,070 --> 01:02:10,210
So you're not part of the culture.

1696
01:02:10,330 --> 01:02:11,190
You need to shut up.

1697
01:02:11,670 --> 01:02:14,310
And now Drake is like, well, hold on

1698
01:02:14,310 --> 01:02:14,690
a second.

1699
01:02:14,890 --> 01:02:15,650
Someone's playing.

1700
01:02:15,890 --> 01:02:17,030
I'm not playing fair.

1701
01:02:17,310 --> 01:02:19,390
A heated feud between two popular rappers is

1702
01:02:19,390 --> 01:02:20,790
now turning into a legal battle.

1703
01:02:20,930 --> 01:02:23,710
Drake has filed a lawsuit against Universal Music

1704
01:02:23,710 --> 01:02:27,510
Group or UMG, claiming it falsely infiltrate inflated.

1705
01:02:27,510 --> 01:02:30,310
The popularity of Kendrick Lamar song Not Like

1706
01:02:30,310 --> 01:02:30,630
Us.

1707
01:02:30,850 --> 01:02:32,950
Lamar released the single back in May as

1708
01:02:32,950 --> 01:02:34,310
a diss track against Drake.

1709
01:02:34,690 --> 01:02:36,670
According to Spotify, the song has more than

1710
01:02:36,670 --> 01:02:37,990
900 million streams.

1711
01:02:38,150 --> 01:02:40,950
But Drake's suit argues that UMG use bots

1712
01:02:40,950 --> 01:02:43,350
and launched a pay to play scheme to

1713
01:02:43,350 --> 01:02:45,290
increase those numbers and make the song go

1714
01:02:45,290 --> 01:02:45,690
viral.

1715
01:02:46,090 --> 01:02:47,630
UMG denies the claims.

1716
01:02:47,750 --> 01:02:48,730
It's also worth noting.

1717
01:02:49,110 --> 01:02:51,690
Drake is currently represented by Republic Records, which

1718
01:02:51,690 --> 01:02:53,670
is a division of UMG.

1719
01:02:54,910 --> 01:02:56,710
Yes, there's gambling going on.

1720
01:02:56,790 --> 01:02:58,650
Of course, it's the same mechanism.

1721
01:02:59,290 --> 01:03:01,190
We want this feud to keep going.

1722
01:03:01,310 --> 01:03:03,050
So now we're going to boost him and

1723
01:03:03,050 --> 01:03:03,310
then we'll.

1724
01:03:03,610 --> 01:03:05,490
Yeah, there's all you know, I don't.

1725
01:03:05,610 --> 01:03:06,990
By the way, I'm not following any of

1726
01:03:06,990 --> 01:03:07,130
this.

1727
01:03:07,210 --> 01:03:08,050
I don't care about it.

1728
01:03:08,070 --> 01:03:08,770
I think it's dumb.

1729
01:03:08,770 --> 01:03:11,570
But the fact that there's a kind of

1730
01:03:11,570 --> 01:03:13,190
one company zone by the other and they're

1731
01:03:13,190 --> 01:03:14,790
suing each other, but it's not really is

1732
01:03:14,790 --> 01:03:16,390
it's a phony bologna deal.

1733
01:03:16,390 --> 01:03:19,570
Like the fact that Taylor Swift has the

1734
01:03:19,570 --> 01:03:24,670
same basic agent that that Kelsey has the

1735
01:03:24,670 --> 01:03:26,910
same, you know, running through the same sports

1736
01:03:26,910 --> 01:03:27,550
agency.

1737
01:03:27,550 --> 01:03:28,610
Yeah, it's wrestling.

1738
01:03:28,870 --> 01:03:29,570
It's wrestling.

1739
01:03:30,530 --> 01:03:30,810
Yes.

1740
01:03:31,250 --> 01:03:31,870
Yes.

1741
01:03:32,230 --> 01:03:34,210
And by the way, there's there's Dana White

1742
01:03:34,210 --> 01:03:37,530
with Trump saying this is all because of

1743
01:03:37,530 --> 01:03:38,470
my great fighters.

1744
01:03:38,470 --> 01:03:41,710
I mean, the great podcasters, it's literally the

1745
01:03:41,710 --> 01:03:45,870
wrestling guy talking about his, you know, is

1746
01:03:45,870 --> 01:03:48,770
not really his stable, but talking about the

1747
01:03:48,770 --> 01:03:50,050
players in the game.

1748
01:03:51,750 --> 01:03:53,790
You know, Joe Rogan works for him.

1749
01:03:53,890 --> 01:03:54,270
Yes.

1750
01:03:55,070 --> 01:03:57,230
It's the players in the game, not I'm

1751
01:03:57,230 --> 01:04:00,030
not I'm not saying that Joe is phony

1752
01:04:00,030 --> 01:04:01,210
because he's he's not.

1753
01:04:01,210 --> 01:04:03,050
He's obviously not phony.

1754
01:04:03,730 --> 01:04:03,830
He's not.

1755
01:04:03,990 --> 01:04:07,250
He's just a naturally, you know, I've watched

1756
01:04:07,250 --> 01:04:08,310
him on and off.

1757
01:04:08,350 --> 01:04:10,370
And I have to say he's a good

1758
01:04:10,370 --> 01:04:10,850
comedian.

1759
01:04:11,070 --> 01:04:15,610
He's not a super a class, but he's

1760
01:04:15,610 --> 01:04:15,870
good.

1761
01:04:15,890 --> 01:04:16,750
He's a good comedian.

1762
01:04:16,970 --> 01:04:17,830
He knows what he's doing.

1763
01:04:18,230 --> 01:04:20,470
He's a good actor when he was acting.

1764
01:04:20,750 --> 01:04:22,070
He's a great host.

1765
01:04:22,150 --> 01:04:23,290
He's done a lot of TV.

1766
01:04:23,810 --> 01:04:27,830
He is a tremendously good commentator on UFC

1767
01:04:27,830 --> 01:04:29,490
and conversationalist.

1768
01:04:29,490 --> 01:04:32,870
He's a great conversationalist, fabulous conversationalist.

1769
01:04:33,210 --> 01:04:34,970
But when you have not an interviewer either,

1770
01:04:35,050 --> 01:04:38,190
it's like, no, but then people come on

1771
01:04:38,190 --> 01:04:40,550
his show, you know, because they're doing the

1772
01:04:40,550 --> 01:04:42,910
rounds there, you know, there or they're bubbling

1773
01:04:42,910 --> 01:04:44,370
under or there's something interesting.

1774
01:04:44,770 --> 01:04:46,550
And he's just talking in there.

1775
01:04:46,870 --> 01:04:48,910
They're throwing out the messaging.

1776
01:04:50,750 --> 01:04:53,410
And he has he's he's probably the most

1777
01:04:53,410 --> 01:04:56,370
talented guy there that has been around for

1778
01:04:56,370 --> 01:04:56,990
a long time.

1779
01:04:56,990 --> 01:04:59,650
It's just, in fact, he's probably underpowered.

1780
01:05:00,470 --> 01:05:02,890
Now, there's a way to look at it.

1781
01:05:03,650 --> 01:05:05,670
He needs more flavor crystals.

1782
01:05:07,350 --> 01:05:09,260
He's underpowered by underpowered.

1783
01:05:09,650 --> 01:05:11,550
I mean, he could be at, you know,

1784
01:05:11,590 --> 01:05:13,890
George Clooney level of celebrity.

1785
01:05:15,310 --> 01:05:17,790
Easy, but he's I think he may be

1786
01:05:17,790 --> 01:05:18,410
that level.

1787
01:05:18,410 --> 01:05:21,130
I think in a subtext, he is, but

1788
01:05:21,130 --> 01:05:23,830
not in a in a in a worldwide

1789
01:05:23,830 --> 01:05:27,350
sense that Clooney is, let's say you'd be

1790
01:05:27,350 --> 01:05:28,790
surprised how many people.

1791
01:05:29,550 --> 01:05:33,050
I'm not saying the fact that I'm saying

1792
01:05:33,050 --> 01:05:36,430
what I'm saying indicates that he's not at

1793
01:05:36,430 --> 01:05:37,410
the Clooney level.

1794
01:05:37,790 --> 01:05:39,190
Close, though, I think he's close.

1795
01:05:39,350 --> 01:05:40,650
He needs a tequila.

1796
01:05:40,750 --> 01:05:42,890
He's a tequila brand that he'll really not

1797
01:05:42,890 --> 01:05:44,830
like, for example, he's not showing his pictures,

1798
01:05:44,910 --> 01:05:47,110
not showing up in the in the gossip

1799
01:05:47,110 --> 01:05:47,730
rags.

1800
01:05:47,730 --> 01:05:48,250
This is not.

1801
01:05:48,490 --> 01:05:49,010
No, it's not.

1802
01:05:49,150 --> 01:05:49,250
No.

1803
01:05:49,430 --> 01:05:50,890
Well, it's because he doesn't play that game.

1804
01:05:51,070 --> 01:05:51,990
He doesn't play that game.

1805
01:05:52,150 --> 01:05:52,570
No, he doesn't.

1806
01:05:52,770 --> 01:05:53,570
He plays that game.

1807
01:05:53,670 --> 01:05:54,570
But that's what I'm saying.

1808
01:05:54,610 --> 01:05:55,610
He's underpowered.

1809
01:05:55,830 --> 01:05:56,050
Yes.

1810
01:05:56,130 --> 01:05:56,290
Yeah.

1811
01:05:56,290 --> 01:05:56,510
OK.

1812
01:05:56,890 --> 01:05:58,610
And I think he likes it that way.

1813
01:05:59,170 --> 01:05:59,810
I bet.

1814
01:06:00,030 --> 01:06:00,330
Yeah.

1815
01:06:00,750 --> 01:06:00,990
Yeah.

1816
01:06:01,230 --> 01:06:03,170
Who the hell needs the other aggravation?

1817
01:06:03,770 --> 01:06:05,390
Tell me about it.

1818
01:06:07,310 --> 01:06:09,170
I have two clips, quick ones, which is

1819
01:06:09,170 --> 01:06:12,710
just kind of fun, because, again, because you

1820
01:06:12,710 --> 01:06:15,930
mentioned you brought up Kamala and and they're

1821
01:06:15,930 --> 01:06:17,190
still trying to figure out who.

1822
01:06:17,190 --> 01:06:17,870
What happened?

1823
01:06:18,010 --> 01:06:19,490
I don't understand what happened.

1824
01:06:20,030 --> 01:06:21,810
Well, no one wanted her.

1825
01:06:22,510 --> 01:06:25,750
And the most important, important thing you could

1826
01:06:25,750 --> 01:06:28,970
have in today's world is authenticity.

1827
01:06:29,670 --> 01:06:30,470
And that's why.

1828
01:06:31,370 --> 01:06:33,830
President Trump going on Rogan and talking for

1829
01:06:33,830 --> 01:06:35,950
three hours, people could sit there and make

1830
01:06:35,950 --> 01:06:36,930
up their own minds.

1831
01:06:37,450 --> 01:06:38,430
It was that easy.

1832
01:06:38,810 --> 01:06:40,510
No one can talk for three hours and

1833
01:06:40,510 --> 01:06:43,350
be cagey and couched and not show their

1834
01:06:43,350 --> 01:06:45,370
three hours and show their true personality.

1835
01:06:45,370 --> 01:06:47,250
So they're still trying to figure it out.

1836
01:06:47,310 --> 01:06:49,450
And they have this woman on.

1837
01:06:50,610 --> 01:06:54,050
This is Pod Save America, who are supposed

1838
01:06:54,050 --> 01:06:56,230
to be the people who got who got

1839
01:06:56,230 --> 01:06:58,730
Kamala elected because they're podcasters.

1840
01:06:58,970 --> 01:07:01,070
It was a podcast election, wasn't it?

1841
01:07:01,210 --> 01:07:02,910
How come you didn't do your job, Pod

1842
01:07:02,910 --> 01:07:03,490
Save America?

1843
01:07:03,970 --> 01:07:05,250
Aren't you the number one podcast?

1844
01:07:06,150 --> 01:07:08,930
This is Jen O'Malley Dillon, who was the

1845
01:07:08,930 --> 01:07:09,850
campaign chair.

1846
01:07:10,330 --> 01:07:12,550
This is a series of great clips.

1847
01:07:12,550 --> 01:07:15,610
I would say I mean, look, look, I

1848
01:07:15,610 --> 01:07:18,970
am not a media hater by any measure.

1849
01:07:18,970 --> 01:07:21,070
And I think that she's I'm not a

1850
01:07:21,070 --> 01:07:23,050
media hater, but it was the media's fault.

1851
01:07:23,950 --> 01:07:25,710
You know, we women don't get far in

1852
01:07:25,710 --> 01:07:26,890
life talking about double standard.

1853
01:07:27,030 --> 01:07:28,130
So that's not the point.

1854
01:07:28,330 --> 01:07:30,130
The media is misogynist now.

1855
01:07:30,250 --> 01:07:32,130
I do think a narrative.

1856
01:07:32,970 --> 01:07:35,710
One hundred seven days, two weeks because of

1857
01:07:35,710 --> 01:07:38,170
a hurricane, two weeks talking about how she

1858
01:07:38,170 --> 01:07:40,570
didn't do interviews, which, you know, she was

1859
01:07:40,570 --> 01:07:41,110
doing plenty.

1860
01:07:41,110 --> 01:07:42,890
But we were doing in our own way.

1861
01:07:43,050 --> 01:07:45,250
We had to, you know, be the nominee

1862
01:07:45,250 --> 01:07:47,270
who had to find a running mate and

1863
01:07:47,270 --> 01:07:48,130
do a rollout.

1864
01:07:48,230 --> 01:07:49,830
I mean, there was all these things that

1865
01:07:49,830 --> 01:07:51,230
you kind of want to factor in.

1866
01:07:51,850 --> 01:07:55,070
But real people heard in some way that

1867
01:07:55,070 --> 01:07:58,030
we were not going to have interviews, which

1868
01:07:58,030 --> 01:07:59,230
was both not true.

1869
01:07:59,750 --> 01:08:03,870
Real people like CNN, MSNBC, all of your

1870
01:08:03,870 --> 01:08:05,690
real people were saying this.

1871
01:08:05,690 --> 01:08:09,450
And also so counter to any kind of

1872
01:08:09,450 --> 01:08:11,130
standard that was put on Trump that I

1873
01:08:11,130 --> 01:08:11,890
think there was a problem.

1874
01:08:12,110 --> 01:08:14,030
And then on top of that, we would

1875
01:08:14,030 --> 01:08:14,690
do an interview.

1876
01:08:15,109 --> 01:08:17,250
And to Stephanie's point, here's the best part.

1877
01:08:17,510 --> 01:08:22,270
The questions were small and processy and about

1878
01:08:22,270 --> 01:08:23,630
like dumb.

1879
01:08:24,510 --> 01:08:30,510
She is actually claiming that these obvious softball,

1880
01:08:30,689 --> 01:08:35,149
lame, lame interviews that they didn't want that.

1881
01:08:35,430 --> 01:08:37,810
And that was the media who decided to

1882
01:08:37,810 --> 01:08:39,609
do that all of their own accord.

1883
01:08:40,529 --> 01:08:43,290
And they I mean, this is very hard

1884
01:08:43,290 --> 01:08:43,770
to believe.

1885
01:08:44,029 --> 01:08:44,710
They were not.

1886
01:08:44,830 --> 01:08:46,430
Well, hold on a couple of things.

1887
01:08:46,550 --> 01:08:49,850
I've just heard her buddy that's also there

1888
01:08:49,850 --> 01:08:50,510
says dumb.

1889
01:08:50,649 --> 01:08:52,630
She throws a word dumb and twice, actually.

1890
01:08:52,630 --> 01:08:52,870
Yeah.

1891
01:08:53,370 --> 01:08:56,430
And it was pointed out by the Fox

1892
01:08:56,430 --> 01:08:56,870
folk.

1893
01:08:57,410 --> 01:08:58,870
Fred Bear had her on it.

1894
01:08:59,010 --> 01:09:00,890
She'd only do 21 minutes, period.

1895
01:09:01,210 --> 01:09:02,290
And they were cut.

1896
01:09:02,910 --> 01:09:05,210
They were jumping supposedly behind the scenes.

1897
01:09:05,250 --> 01:09:06,430
They're talking about this.

1898
01:09:07,069 --> 01:09:08,870
They told her to cut it off, cut

1899
01:09:08,870 --> 01:09:09,189
it off.

1900
01:09:09,229 --> 01:09:09,830
You got to stop.

1901
01:09:09,890 --> 01:09:10,470
You got to stop.

1902
01:09:10,529 --> 01:09:11,729
You got to get off the stage.

1903
01:09:11,790 --> 01:09:14,010
They were late to the interview to begin

1904
01:09:14,010 --> 01:09:14,390
with.

1905
01:09:15,270 --> 01:09:16,689
This is bull crap.

1906
01:09:16,870 --> 01:09:17,970
She's just a liar.

1907
01:09:17,970 --> 01:09:23,470
And processy and about like they were they

1908
01:09:23,470 --> 01:09:25,890
were not informing another point.

1909
01:09:26,270 --> 01:09:28,990
She uses the word processy.

1910
01:09:29,649 --> 01:09:30,590
You notice.

1911
01:09:30,729 --> 01:09:31,069
Yes.

1912
01:09:31,350 --> 01:09:34,149
They were small and processy.

1913
01:09:34,290 --> 01:09:36,370
What she meant by that was they were

1914
01:09:36,370 --> 01:09:37,130
asking her.

1915
01:09:38,109 --> 01:09:40,970
How to questions, in other words, the process,

1916
01:09:41,149 --> 01:09:42,189
he means, well, what are you going to

1917
01:09:42,189 --> 01:09:43,350
do to stop inflation?

1918
01:09:43,950 --> 01:09:45,170
Well, what are you going to do to

1919
01:09:45,170 --> 01:09:45,830
end the war?

1920
01:09:45,830 --> 01:09:47,109
Well, what are you going to do?

1921
01:09:47,210 --> 01:09:48,490
What are you going to do to do

1922
01:09:48,490 --> 01:09:49,029
this and that?

1923
01:09:49,109 --> 01:09:50,950
That's that's what she means by processy.

1924
01:09:51,790 --> 01:09:53,610
And those are questions they didn't want to

1925
01:09:53,610 --> 01:09:54,050
answer.

1926
01:09:54,230 --> 01:09:55,550
No, of course not.

1927
01:09:55,650 --> 01:09:57,330
Because she had no answers.

1928
01:09:57,770 --> 01:10:01,090
Small and processy and about like good catch.

1929
01:10:01,570 --> 01:10:04,230
They were they were not informing a voter

1930
01:10:04,230 --> 01:10:06,830
who was trying to listen to learn more

1931
01:10:06,830 --> 01:10:07,950
or to understand.

1932
01:10:08,130 --> 01:10:10,850
And I'm not saying that that, you know,

1933
01:10:10,850 --> 01:10:13,290
the whole system was focused on us incorrectly.

1934
01:10:13,290 --> 01:10:15,270
I'm just saying, like, again, of the things

1935
01:10:15,270 --> 01:10:16,970
we need to explore as we move forward

1936
01:10:16,970 --> 01:10:18,610
as a campaign and as a country.

1937
01:10:19,050 --> 01:10:21,310
From our viewpoint, actually, this is quite interesting

1938
01:10:21,310 --> 01:10:24,290
because our take has always been that the

1939
01:10:24,290 --> 01:10:26,210
system wanted Trump to win.

1940
01:10:26,930 --> 01:10:30,230
So it is entirely possible that she's telling

1941
01:10:30,230 --> 01:10:32,590
the truth from her perspective and that the

1942
01:10:32,590 --> 01:10:35,110
whole system was geared toward getting Trump to

1943
01:10:35,110 --> 01:10:37,730
win by doing this purposely against their wishes.

1944
01:10:37,970 --> 01:10:40,050
Seems hard to believe, but it is a

1945
01:10:40,050 --> 01:10:40,570
possibility.

1946
01:10:40,570 --> 01:10:42,950
That does a disservice to voters.

1947
01:10:43,370 --> 01:10:45,290
And, you know, I think back and think

1948
01:10:45,290 --> 01:10:47,530
we should have signaled more of our strategy

1949
01:10:47,530 --> 01:10:49,430
early on about podcasts and who we were

1950
01:10:49,430 --> 01:10:50,030
trying to reach.

1951
01:10:50,190 --> 01:10:52,770
And but we had a limited amount of

1952
01:10:52,770 --> 01:10:53,330
time to reach.

1953
01:10:53,390 --> 01:10:54,410
The people are trying to reach and we

1954
01:10:54,410 --> 01:10:55,230
were trying to go to them.

1955
01:10:55,410 --> 01:10:58,030
But being up against a narrative that we

1956
01:10:58,030 --> 01:11:00,550
weren't doing anything or we were afraid to

1957
01:11:00,550 --> 01:11:03,730
have interviews is completely bull and also like

1958
01:11:03,730 --> 01:11:04,610
took hold a little bit.

1959
01:11:04,650 --> 01:11:06,150
And we just gave us another thing we

1960
01:11:06,150 --> 01:11:08,130
had to fight back for that Trump never

1961
01:11:08,130 --> 01:11:08,870
had to worry about.

1962
01:11:09,550 --> 01:11:12,110
And they were unfair towards Trump, again, going

1963
01:11:12,110 --> 01:11:13,690
towards our basic thesis.

1964
01:11:13,890 --> 01:11:16,030
Now, the the money shot question, of course,

1965
01:11:16,030 --> 01:11:18,390
is about the appearance on The Rogan Show.

1966
01:11:18,850 --> 01:11:20,810
This is where she falls apart and just

1967
01:11:20,810 --> 01:11:21,230
lies.

1968
01:11:21,350 --> 01:11:22,650
Should Kamala Harris have gone on Rogan?

1969
01:11:23,230 --> 01:11:26,670
Can you can you just not to be

1970
01:11:26,670 --> 01:11:27,250
tedious about it?

1971
01:11:27,270 --> 01:11:29,210
Could you talk a little bit about how

1972
01:11:29,210 --> 01:11:30,350
close you came to doing it?

1973
01:11:30,390 --> 01:11:31,370
Why it didn't happen?

1974
01:11:31,650 --> 01:11:34,170
Yeah, there's a lot of intrigue around this.

1975
01:11:34,470 --> 01:11:35,410
A lot of theories.

1976
01:11:35,990 --> 01:11:37,350
It's it's pretty simple.

1977
01:11:37,350 --> 01:11:38,610
We wanted to do it.

1978
01:11:40,230 --> 01:11:42,730
It you know, I hate to repeat this

1979
01:11:42,730 --> 01:11:44,130
over and over, but it was a very

1980
01:11:44,130 --> 01:11:46,310
short race with a limited number of days.

1981
01:11:47,090 --> 01:11:51,310
And for a candidate to leave the battleground

1982
01:11:51,310 --> 01:11:55,870
to go to Houston, which is what?

1983
01:11:57,170 --> 01:11:58,870
Did you hear what she said to leave

1984
01:11:58,870 --> 01:12:00,270
the battleground to go to Houston?

1985
01:12:00,770 --> 01:12:01,890
It's not a Houston.

1986
01:12:02,270 --> 01:12:02,810
No, no.

1987
01:12:03,890 --> 01:12:05,330
Listen, you'll hear it in a second.

1988
01:12:05,330 --> 01:12:09,130
Houston, which is a day off the playing

1989
01:12:09,130 --> 01:12:10,210
field in the battleground.

1990
01:12:11,270 --> 01:12:15,490
You know, getting that timing right is really

1991
01:12:15,490 --> 01:12:15,950
important.

1992
01:12:16,470 --> 01:12:20,430
So we had discussions with Joe Rogan's team.

1993
01:12:20,650 --> 01:12:21,950
I love the team part.

1994
01:12:22,090 --> 01:12:26,150
It's one guy, Matt, one guy who answers

1995
01:12:26,150 --> 01:12:26,650
the phone.

1996
01:12:27,070 --> 01:12:27,970
Hello, it's Matt.

1997
01:12:28,470 --> 01:12:29,610
Oh, you want to go on, Joe?

1998
01:12:29,730 --> 01:12:31,630
Well, yeah, we can do this.

1999
01:12:32,110 --> 01:12:32,670
Sure.

2000
01:12:32,870 --> 01:12:33,890
When do you want to do it?

2001
01:12:34,410 --> 01:12:35,870
Well, you only want to do one hour.

2002
01:12:35,970 --> 01:12:36,810
No, that's not the for you.

2003
01:12:36,910 --> 01:12:38,050
Don't want to do it in his studio.

2004
01:12:38,190 --> 01:12:38,490
No, no.

2005
01:12:38,590 --> 01:12:40,330
We do everything in the studio and it's

2006
01:12:40,330 --> 01:12:41,890
open at least three hours.

2007
01:12:42,630 --> 01:12:44,950
So talking with his team is a lie.

2008
01:12:45,170 --> 01:12:45,810
They were great.

2009
01:12:46,210 --> 01:12:47,510
They wanted us to come on.

2010
01:12:48,230 --> 01:12:49,410
He's not they them.

2011
01:12:49,550 --> 01:12:50,150
It's a he.

2012
01:12:50,310 --> 01:12:50,830
It's Matt.

2013
01:12:50,950 --> 01:12:51,690
It's not they them.

2014
01:12:51,870 --> 01:12:52,030
Great.

2015
01:12:52,590 --> 01:12:53,830
They wanted us to come on.

2016
01:12:53,890 --> 01:12:54,830
We wanted to come on.

2017
01:12:54,930 --> 01:12:56,790
We tried to get a date to make

2018
01:12:56,790 --> 01:12:57,270
it work.

2019
01:12:57,270 --> 01:12:59,290
And ultimately, we just weren't able to find

2020
01:12:59,290 --> 01:12:59,650
a date.

2021
01:13:00,170 --> 01:13:01,110
We did go to Houston.

2022
01:13:02,110 --> 01:13:04,770
And she gave a great speech at an

2023
01:13:04,770 --> 01:13:05,750
amazing event.

2024
01:13:06,050 --> 01:13:07,090
The Beyonce event?

2025
01:13:07,650 --> 01:13:08,090
Yes.

2026
01:13:08,230 --> 01:13:09,710
Well, I'm going to call it Reproductive Freedom.

2027
01:13:10,090 --> 01:13:10,990
There you go.

2028
01:13:11,410 --> 01:13:14,110
So they chose the Reproductive Freedom event with

2029
01:13:14,110 --> 01:13:16,050
Beyonce over Rogan.

2030
01:13:16,770 --> 01:13:17,350
That's it.

2031
01:13:17,450 --> 01:13:19,410
They thought that that would play better with

2032
01:13:19,410 --> 01:13:19,870
the audience.

2033
01:13:20,010 --> 01:13:21,370
That was the decision they made.

2034
01:13:21,830 --> 01:13:22,670
And they could have done it.

2035
01:13:22,770 --> 01:13:23,730
They're in Texas.

2036
01:13:24,130 --> 01:13:25,130
Hop, skip, and a jump.

2037
01:13:25,190 --> 01:13:26,710
You could have popped right down, but no.

2038
01:13:27,190 --> 01:13:29,450
Yeah, you can take a puddle jumper.

2039
01:13:29,450 --> 01:13:31,210
They had a private jet.

2040
01:13:31,990 --> 01:13:33,190
They did not.

2041
01:13:33,310 --> 01:13:35,690
They were afraid that she would, as we

2042
01:13:35,690 --> 01:13:38,070
say in Holland, in the old country, do

2043
01:13:38,070 --> 01:13:39,210
it a month fuller.

2044
01:13:39,490 --> 01:13:41,330
She would fall out of the bottom of

2045
01:13:41,330 --> 01:13:41,770
the basket.

2046
01:13:43,070 --> 01:13:43,810
I know.

2047
01:13:43,870 --> 01:13:45,850
It's another great Dutchism, isn't it?

2048
01:13:47,070 --> 01:13:49,650
I'm glad you have a long tip of

2049
01:13:49,650 --> 01:13:49,990
your tongue.

2050
01:13:50,170 --> 01:13:53,450
I want to play two clips that are

2051
01:13:53,450 --> 01:13:55,810
pretty obscure, but it's James Carville who's been

2052
01:13:55,810 --> 01:13:56,550
on everything.

2053
01:13:57,130 --> 01:13:59,330
Because he was right about everything.

2054
01:13:59,810 --> 01:14:01,090
Well, he was wrong about it.

2055
01:14:01,130 --> 01:14:02,770
He's the one who got by him and

2056
01:14:02,770 --> 01:14:06,230
Axelrod, or the two guys that were part

2057
01:14:06,230 --> 01:14:10,150
of the system, which included Pelosi and Schumer

2058
01:14:10,150 --> 01:14:13,850
and others, and George Clooney, who's now hiding.

2059
01:14:15,110 --> 01:14:15,910
Hiding, yes.

2060
01:14:16,210 --> 01:14:17,530
To get rid of Biden.

2061
01:14:17,690 --> 01:14:18,590
And he was part of it.

2062
01:14:18,630 --> 01:14:20,330
He's the only one that's still talking.

2063
01:14:21,030 --> 01:14:22,290
The rest of them all shut up and

2064
01:14:22,290 --> 01:14:22,950
they took off.

2065
01:14:23,250 --> 01:14:25,270
But this is on an obscure podcast.

2066
01:14:25,470 --> 01:14:26,390
Somebody sent it to me.

2067
01:14:26,390 --> 01:14:28,150
And I want to play these two clips,

2068
01:14:28,230 --> 01:14:29,910
because it refers to this woman, and here

2069
01:14:29,910 --> 01:14:30,370
we go.

2070
01:14:30,850 --> 01:14:32,530
I think you place some of that blame

2071
01:14:32,530 --> 01:14:33,730
on the Harris High Command.

2072
01:14:34,310 --> 01:14:35,590
I love that scene in the movie, The

2073
01:14:35,590 --> 01:14:38,130
Graduate, where he says, Benjamin, one word, son,

2074
01:14:38,410 --> 01:14:39,410
one word, plastics.

2075
01:14:40,850 --> 01:14:41,210
Plastics.

2076
01:14:41,690 --> 01:14:43,010
One word, audit.

2077
01:14:43,350 --> 01:14:46,090
So I have people that are contacting me

2078
01:14:46,090 --> 01:14:47,150
to run for DNC chair.

2079
01:14:47,310 --> 01:14:48,330
I promise you I'm not going to get

2080
01:14:48,330 --> 01:14:48,890
in the middle of that.

2081
01:14:48,910 --> 01:14:49,850
What is he saying?

2082
01:14:50,210 --> 01:14:51,450
You have to give me some, I can't

2083
01:14:51,450 --> 01:14:52,930
even hear the context of what he's talking

2084
01:14:52,930 --> 01:14:53,030
about.

2085
01:14:53,030 --> 01:14:55,370
He said the one word he wants, like

2086
01:14:55,370 --> 01:14:57,930
the word plastics in the movie, was audit.

2087
01:14:58,370 --> 01:14:59,610
He wants the audit.

2088
01:14:59,930 --> 01:15:02,790
He's sitting there steaming in his own juices

2089
01:15:02,790 --> 01:15:04,910
about the fact that they spent, and he

2090
01:15:04,910 --> 01:15:06,110
has numbers that are higher.

2091
01:15:06,490 --> 01:15:10,690
He claims they squandered $2.5 billion, $2

2092
01:15:10,690 --> 01:15:13,850
.5 billion, not $2 billion, not $1 billion,

2093
01:15:14,150 --> 01:15:17,350
$2.5. And he's demanding an audit.

2094
01:15:17,790 --> 01:15:20,070
He thinks that this is, the whole campaign

2095
01:15:20,070 --> 01:15:23,810
was just a giant money laundering scheme.

2096
01:15:24,230 --> 01:15:25,290
Well, how about this?

2097
01:15:26,190 --> 01:15:28,650
Everybody was on the money train, and it

2098
01:15:28,650 --> 01:15:31,490
was like, yeah, yeah, I'll do the podcast

2099
01:15:31,490 --> 01:15:32,050
with you.

2100
01:15:32,170 --> 01:15:34,550
Give me $500,000.

2101
01:15:35,010 --> 01:15:36,610
We'll build a really nice set.

2102
01:15:36,630 --> 01:15:39,110
Now, this brings us, you can play this

2103
01:15:39,110 --> 01:15:39,290
clip.

2104
01:15:39,410 --> 01:15:40,590
We can continue the clip in a second.

2105
01:15:40,590 --> 01:15:41,230
You want to play the clip?

2106
01:15:41,370 --> 01:15:41,830
Okay, go ahead.

2107
01:15:42,090 --> 01:15:45,970
Well, no, this brings us to the, as

2108
01:15:45,970 --> 01:15:47,750
it starts to be revealed, that's why the

2109
01:15:47,750 --> 01:15:51,450
audit would be interesting, is that our buddy,

2110
01:15:51,570 --> 01:15:57,110
the Rev, picked up $500,000 to interview

2111
01:15:57,110 --> 01:16:00,610
her on MSN, this is MSNBC, who I

2112
01:16:00,610 --> 01:16:03,970
complained about over and over again, but MSNBC

2113
01:16:03,970 --> 01:16:06,870
is obviously one of the most corrupt news

2114
01:16:06,870 --> 01:16:10,410
operations out of NBC that the nation has.

2115
01:16:10,670 --> 01:16:12,630
You don't give somebody a half a million

2116
01:16:12,630 --> 01:16:16,850
dollars to put them on and interview them

2117
01:16:16,850 --> 01:16:19,170
with the softball interview, which is exactly what

2118
01:16:19,170 --> 01:16:19,590
happened.

2119
01:16:19,770 --> 01:16:21,530
By the way, the No Agenda show is

2120
01:16:21,530 --> 01:16:23,570
very open to this kind of operation.

2121
01:16:24,050 --> 01:16:24,610
Yeah, we'll take it.

2122
01:16:26,230 --> 01:16:27,530
Yeah, we'll, yeah, yeah.

2123
01:16:27,850 --> 01:16:28,570
Yeah, we're good.

2124
01:16:28,990 --> 01:16:29,430
We're good.

2125
01:16:29,670 --> 01:16:30,170
We're good.

2126
01:16:30,230 --> 01:16:31,010
Don't worry about it, boys.

2127
01:16:31,190 --> 01:16:32,050
One word, audit.

2128
01:16:32,410 --> 01:16:35,150
So I have people that are contacting me

2129
01:16:35,150 --> 01:16:36,210
to run for DNC chair.

2130
01:16:36,370 --> 01:16:37,390
I promise you I'm not going to get

2131
01:16:37,390 --> 01:16:38,130
in the middle of that.

2132
01:16:39,510 --> 01:16:41,590
Anybody, and I don't have a vote, or

2133
01:16:41,590 --> 01:16:43,030
I don't have an opinion, no one cares,

2134
01:16:43,130 --> 01:16:46,030
but I would say the policy number one

2135
01:16:46,030 --> 01:16:47,510
is we're going to audit everything.

2136
01:16:47,510 --> 01:16:49,670
We're going to audit the campaign.

2137
01:16:49,870 --> 01:16:51,150
We're going to audit Future Forward.

2138
01:16:51,350 --> 01:16:53,050
We're going to audit the DNC.

2139
01:16:53,830 --> 01:16:55,950
So people would know, but I'm telling you,

2140
01:16:56,090 --> 01:17:00,830
without complete transparency, the campaign, we think, raised

2141
01:17:00,830 --> 01:17:01,990
a billion and a half dollars.

2142
01:17:02,430 --> 01:17:02,650
Okay?

2143
01:17:03,270 --> 01:17:06,930
We know that Future Forward, last we saw,

2144
01:17:07,010 --> 01:17:09,270
was 900 million, so we can assume that

2145
01:17:09,270 --> 01:17:10,930
they got to a billion before election.

2146
01:17:11,210 --> 01:17:13,210
That's two and a half fricking billion dollars.

2147
01:17:13,450 --> 01:17:14,650
Do you have any idea where that money

2148
01:17:14,650 --> 01:17:14,890
went?

2149
01:17:15,070 --> 01:17:16,770
Does anybody have any idea where that money

2150
01:17:16,770 --> 01:17:16,950
went?

2151
01:17:16,950 --> 01:17:19,110
I mean, I have some places I started

2152
01:17:19,110 --> 01:17:22,990
looking, and it's all, Albert, I promise you

2153
01:17:22,990 --> 01:17:26,030
this, the amount of money and the amount

2154
01:17:26,030 --> 01:17:30,450
of lobbyists that were involved in this campaign

2155
01:17:30,450 --> 01:17:31,220
is staggering.

2156
01:17:31,970 --> 01:17:32,470
It's staggering.

2157
01:17:32,470 --> 01:17:34,590
Well, talk more about that, James, because that's

2158
01:17:34,590 --> 01:17:36,770
not what the Democrats are supposed to be.

2159
01:17:38,390 --> 01:17:43,550
So we had this discussion that we thought

2160
01:17:43,550 --> 01:17:46,270
when Harris was asked the money question, would

2161
01:17:46,270 --> 01:17:48,230
you have done anything different than Biden?

2162
01:17:48,950 --> 01:17:51,890
I thought, I think you did too, but

2163
01:17:51,890 --> 01:17:53,070
I'll let you speak for yourself.

2164
01:17:53,290 --> 01:17:54,090
She just froze.

2165
01:17:54,210 --> 01:17:55,470
She just, I want to be loyal to

2166
01:17:55,470 --> 01:17:55,730
Biden.

2167
01:17:55,830 --> 01:17:57,610
I just can't bring myself to her side,

2168
01:17:57,710 --> 01:18:02,050
which was a very bad answer, but an

2169
01:18:02,050 --> 01:18:03,490
understandably human answer.

2170
01:18:04,390 --> 01:18:08,230
So then, sorry, Stephanie Cutter, and she goes

2171
01:18:08,230 --> 01:18:09,590
on Pod Save America.

2172
01:18:09,950 --> 01:18:11,410
No, that was by design.

2173
01:18:11,730 --> 01:18:14,570
The reason she gave didn't even make any

2174
01:18:14,570 --> 01:18:14,930
sense.

2175
01:18:14,930 --> 01:18:16,670
Oh, oh, okay.

2176
01:18:17,070 --> 01:18:17,970
Who's Stephanie Cutter?

2177
01:18:18,830 --> 01:18:20,490
That's the woman that was, you were playing

2178
01:18:20,490 --> 01:18:21,490
on Pod Save America.

2179
01:18:21,610 --> 01:18:22,930
No, that's not Stephanie Cutter.

2180
01:18:23,070 --> 01:18:24,210
That's someone else.

2181
01:18:24,690 --> 01:18:27,490
No, the woman that, she was in that

2182
01:18:27,490 --> 01:18:27,810
group.

2183
01:18:27,950 --> 01:18:29,010
Oh, okay, okay.

2184
01:18:29,230 --> 01:18:30,310
I think she may have been the one

2185
01:18:30,310 --> 01:18:31,150
that said dumb, dumb.

2186
01:18:31,410 --> 01:18:32,310
Okay, okay, okay.

2187
01:18:32,350 --> 01:18:33,010
So that was by design.

2188
01:18:33,010 --> 01:18:34,090
But it's all part of the same.

2189
01:18:34,190 --> 01:18:36,130
This is the echelon that he's bitching about.

2190
01:18:36,170 --> 01:18:36,950
So let's go to part two.

2191
01:18:37,190 --> 01:18:41,050
All right, so Stephanie Cutter owns a firm

2192
01:18:41,050 --> 01:18:46,070
called Precision Strategies, who Jeff O'Malley, Dylan, used

2193
01:18:46,070 --> 01:18:46,810
to work for.

2194
01:18:46,950 --> 01:18:49,050
That much we know, all right?

2195
01:18:49,790 --> 01:18:52,910
And we think we know that they got

2196
01:18:52,910 --> 01:18:53,990
a lot of the buy.

2197
01:18:54,290 --> 01:18:55,890
I don't know, but there has to be

2198
01:18:55,890 --> 01:18:56,410
an audit.

2199
01:18:56,990 --> 01:18:58,490
Oh, so a lot of the money went

2200
01:18:58,490 --> 01:18:59,570
to Pod Save America?

2201
01:19:00,690 --> 01:19:03,450
No, no, they're talking about this strategies company

2202
01:19:03,450 --> 01:19:05,870
that Kamala hired, and he says they got

2203
01:19:05,870 --> 01:19:06,950
a lot of the buy.

2204
01:19:06,970 --> 01:19:08,710
Oh, so they got a percentage of the

2205
01:19:08,710 --> 01:19:09,710
advertising buys.

2206
01:19:09,770 --> 01:19:11,450
Right, when you got a piece of the

2207
01:19:11,450 --> 01:19:14,310
buys where you're the advertising agency, and you're

2208
01:19:14,310 --> 01:19:16,290
doling, you got all this money, you're throwing

2209
01:19:16,290 --> 01:19:17,790
it out there because you're getting 10%

2210
01:19:17,790 --> 01:19:18,230
of it.

2211
01:19:18,710 --> 01:19:20,690
Yeah, so she's, I think it's 15.

2212
01:19:20,790 --> 01:19:22,350
I think agency fee is 15.

2213
01:19:22,350 --> 01:19:23,790
Okay, could be 15, could be 20 by

2214
01:19:23,790 --> 01:19:24,050
now.

2215
01:19:24,230 --> 01:19:26,210
But whatever it is, the more you spend,

2216
01:19:26,290 --> 01:19:27,130
the more you make.

2217
01:19:27,230 --> 01:19:28,670
So you have to get rid of this

2218
01:19:28,670 --> 01:19:28,870
money.

2219
01:19:28,990 --> 01:19:32,210
So they were throwing money away to get

2220
01:19:32,210 --> 01:19:32,610
money.

2221
01:19:33,410 --> 01:19:34,210
That's great.

2222
01:19:34,730 --> 01:19:36,530
That's what he wanted the audit for, and

2223
01:19:36,530 --> 01:19:37,710
that's what he's bitching about.

2224
01:19:37,890 --> 01:19:39,870
And I think that's exactly what happened.

2225
01:19:39,870 --> 01:19:42,110
They had these, there was just too much,

2226
01:19:42,490 --> 01:19:45,010
they got a, if you remember when Kamala

2227
01:19:45,010 --> 01:19:48,270
first got nominated, as it were, if you

2228
01:19:48,270 --> 01:19:50,170
want to call it that, they picked up

2229
01:19:50,170 --> 01:19:52,250
like almost a billion dollars on the spot.

2230
01:19:52,330 --> 01:19:53,790
Right away, yeah, it was in the kitty.

2231
01:19:53,950 --> 01:19:55,350
And so they had, all of a sudden,

2232
01:19:55,450 --> 01:19:56,190
it's a bonanza.

2233
01:19:56,330 --> 01:19:58,650
You're sitting there on a pile of money,

2234
01:19:59,030 --> 01:20:01,150
and you notice that you're sending out these

2235
01:20:01,150 --> 01:20:03,350
messages to everybody two or three times a

2236
01:20:03,350 --> 01:20:05,350
day, begging them for more money to get

2237
01:20:05,350 --> 01:20:07,190
all these little old ladies to throw their

2238
01:20:07,190 --> 01:20:08,190
$50 in.

2239
01:20:08,190 --> 01:20:11,430
And people who can't afford to donate, donating.

2240
01:20:12,430 --> 01:20:13,870
And you're sitting on all this money.

2241
01:20:13,990 --> 01:20:15,550
You've got to get rid of this money

2242
01:20:16,770 --> 01:20:18,830
as fast as you can to make the

2243
01:20:18,830 --> 01:20:20,190
money on the buy.

2244
01:20:20,530 --> 01:20:23,750
This is a giant money laundering operation for

2245
01:20:23,750 --> 01:20:24,950
all practical purposes.

2246
01:20:26,170 --> 01:20:27,510
What do you make, and I have a

2247
01:20:27,510 --> 01:20:29,230
minute 15 of it, what do you make

2248
01:20:29,230 --> 01:20:33,590
of the reason for Kamala Harris' obviously drunk

2249
01:20:33,590 --> 01:20:36,350
message to be put out there?

2250
01:20:36,350 --> 01:20:39,170
Is this more sabotage of her as a

2251
01:20:39,170 --> 01:20:39,890
human being?

2252
01:20:40,530 --> 01:20:43,370
Did theory, based on what I was watching,

2253
01:20:43,450 --> 01:20:45,210
because I've seen this thing played and played

2254
01:20:45,210 --> 01:20:46,330
and played, I don't know if you have

2255
01:20:46,330 --> 01:20:46,690
it or not.

2256
01:20:46,690 --> 01:20:48,590
Yeah, I have a minute 15.

2257
01:20:48,730 --> 01:20:49,770
Well, let's discuss right now.

2258
01:20:49,830 --> 01:20:50,350
And once you play it, then we can

2259
01:20:50,350 --> 01:20:50,690
talk about it.

2260
01:20:50,810 --> 01:20:52,490
And it means so much to me and

2261
01:20:52,490 --> 01:20:55,070
to Governor Walz that you knocked on doors,

2262
01:20:55,190 --> 01:20:58,990
you called friends, you called in favors.

2263
01:20:59,530 --> 01:21:01,550
You said, hey, you know, I showed up

2264
01:21:01,550 --> 01:21:03,490
at your softball game, now I need you

2265
01:21:03,490 --> 01:21:05,330
to show up at the campaign office.

2266
01:21:05,330 --> 01:21:07,450
By the way, anybody who has been in

2267
01:21:07,450 --> 01:21:09,810
a bar after 2 a.m. knows this

2268
01:21:09,810 --> 01:21:10,250
person.

2269
01:21:10,430 --> 01:21:13,570
I mean, this is not even questionable at

2270
01:21:13,570 --> 01:21:14,070
this point.

2271
01:21:14,110 --> 01:21:16,870
Showed up at your softball game, now I

2272
01:21:16,870 --> 01:21:18,410
need you to show up at the campaign

2273
01:21:18,410 --> 01:21:19,010
office.

2274
01:21:20,070 --> 01:21:22,630
You put in the time, it was personal

2275
01:21:22,630 --> 01:21:23,290
for you.

2276
01:21:24,110 --> 01:21:26,850
And you gave all that you could to

2277
01:21:26,850 --> 01:21:28,190
support our campaign.

2278
01:21:28,910 --> 01:21:32,330
Because of your efforts, get this, we raised

2279
01:21:32,330 --> 01:21:36,490
an historic $1.4 billion, almost $1.5

2280
01:21:36,490 --> 01:21:36,830
billion.

2281
01:21:37,350 --> 01:21:39,770
Again, I'll say, yeah, no, the election didn't

2282
01:21:39,770 --> 01:21:41,270
turn out like we wanted it to.

2283
01:21:41,930 --> 01:21:43,970
Certainly not as we planned for it to.

2284
01:21:45,570 --> 01:21:48,370
But understand that the work we put into

2285
01:21:48,370 --> 01:21:49,830
it was about empowering people.

2286
01:21:49,970 --> 01:21:51,590
That's the spirit with work we did.

2287
01:21:51,750 --> 01:21:55,890
I just have to remind you, don't you

2288
01:21:55,890 --> 01:21:57,950
ever let anybody take your power from you.

2289
01:21:58,810 --> 01:22:02,430
You have the same power that you did

2290
01:22:02,430 --> 01:22:04,190
before November 5th.

2291
01:22:04,630 --> 01:22:07,350
And you have the same purpose that you

2292
01:22:07,350 --> 01:22:07,690
did.

2293
01:22:08,910 --> 01:22:13,450
And you have the same ability to engage

2294
01:22:13,450 --> 01:22:14,670
and inspire.

2295
01:22:15,670 --> 01:22:18,670
So don't ever let anybody or any circumstance

2296
01:22:18,670 --> 01:22:19,990
take your power from you.

2297
01:22:20,070 --> 01:22:22,530
That is the most drunk rant I've ever

2298
01:22:22,530 --> 01:22:22,730
seen.

2299
01:22:22,790 --> 01:22:25,330
Hey man, don't let them take your power.

2300
01:22:25,530 --> 01:22:26,930
Don't let them take your power from you,

2301
01:22:26,950 --> 01:22:27,370
man.

2302
01:22:27,370 --> 01:22:28,110
Ever.

2303
01:22:28,990 --> 01:22:29,770
You've got power.

2304
01:22:31,130 --> 01:22:35,130
So why would, Meghan McCain reposted this herself

2305
01:22:35,710 --> 01:22:38,370
with a note on Twitter saying, take this

2306
01:22:38,370 --> 01:22:38,990
down.

2307
01:22:39,470 --> 01:22:41,170
This is a humiliation.

2308
01:22:41,350 --> 01:22:42,310
She went on and on about it.

2309
01:22:42,370 --> 01:22:44,110
It was quite an interesting post by her

2310
01:22:44,110 --> 01:22:47,250
telling them to take this down, as I

2311
01:22:47,250 --> 01:22:48,690
guess Meghan McCain voted for.

2312
01:22:49,170 --> 01:22:52,010
But yeah, this is a sabotage move.

2313
01:22:52,090 --> 01:22:54,830
This is the leftover people that, or the

2314
01:22:54,830 --> 01:22:57,630
Democrats themselves, said it's because she threatened to

2315
01:22:57,630 --> 01:22:58,470
run for governor.

2316
01:22:59,490 --> 01:22:59,790
Yes.

2317
01:23:00,510 --> 01:23:01,030
Yes.

2318
01:23:01,450 --> 01:23:04,490
Yeah, I think that might've been, you know,

2319
01:23:04,490 --> 01:23:06,130
we can't have this going on.

2320
01:23:06,210 --> 01:23:07,810
We've got to take her down right away.

2321
01:23:08,090 --> 01:23:10,590
Hey Kamala, just say what's on your heart

2322
01:23:10,590 --> 01:23:11,510
into the camera here.

2323
01:23:14,610 --> 01:23:15,850
I believe that's what happened.

2324
01:23:16,850 --> 01:23:18,450
It's a sabotage move.

2325
01:23:18,690 --> 01:23:19,970
And she's too dumb to know.

2326
01:23:20,350 --> 01:23:20,870
Sabotage.

2327
01:23:21,190 --> 01:23:22,890
I mean, she's dumb.

2328
01:23:22,970 --> 01:23:23,690
She's a dummy.

2329
01:23:25,250 --> 01:23:25,590
Yeah.

2330
01:23:27,010 --> 01:23:29,270
But I have another dummy who just, I

2331
01:23:29,270 --> 01:23:32,770
could not believe, you know, sometimes these old

2332
01:23:32,770 --> 01:23:36,330
-time Hollywood celebrities, they think, oh, I'm in

2333
01:23:36,330 --> 01:23:38,170
Italy, so it doesn't really matter what I

2334
01:23:38,170 --> 01:23:38,470
say.

2335
01:23:38,930 --> 01:23:41,350
Oh, this is the most pathetic thing that

2336
01:23:41,350 --> 01:23:43,250
you're going to play Sharon Stone.

2337
01:23:43,370 --> 01:23:43,790
Yes.

2338
01:23:43,950 --> 01:23:47,850
And this is a pathetic, I mean, Sharon

2339
01:23:47,850 --> 01:23:49,550
Stone, there's one other one too.

2340
01:23:49,730 --> 01:23:51,590
Alec Baldwin, but I'm not interested in him.

2341
01:23:51,670 --> 01:23:52,970
No, Baldwin's no good.

2342
01:23:52,970 --> 01:23:56,390
But Sharon Stone's rant here is probably as

2343
01:23:56,390 --> 01:23:58,290
pathetic as they get.

2344
01:24:00,630 --> 01:24:03,650
I have some thoughts on it after you

2345
01:24:03,650 --> 01:24:04,370
play it, maybe.

2346
01:24:06,570 --> 01:24:08,650
You know, Italy has seen fascism.

2347
01:24:09,970 --> 01:24:12,810
Italy has seen these things.

2348
01:24:15,120 --> 01:24:18,580
You guys, you understand what happens.

2349
01:24:19,160 --> 01:24:21,020
You have seen this before.

2350
01:24:21,640 --> 01:24:23,640
My country is in its adolescence.

2351
01:24:23,640 --> 01:24:24,880
Okay, can you stop it for a second

2352
01:24:24,880 --> 01:24:26,140
and start backing up a little bit?

2353
01:24:26,280 --> 01:24:26,540
Of course.

2354
01:24:26,660 --> 01:24:28,280
You should know that, I'm going to give

2355
01:24:28,280 --> 01:24:29,940
you a Sharon Stone story.

2356
01:24:30,000 --> 01:24:30,940
She used to live in the Bay Area.

2357
01:24:31,040 --> 01:24:33,220
Well, then you happen to know her ex

2358
01:24:33,220 --> 01:24:34,360
-husband-slash-boyfriend.

2359
01:24:35,760 --> 01:24:35,940
Yeah.

2360
01:24:36,180 --> 01:24:36,460
Okay.

2361
01:24:38,140 --> 01:24:38,940
Bronstein, Phil.

2362
01:24:40,380 --> 01:24:40,780
Phil.

2363
01:24:42,460 --> 01:24:46,000
So they used their best, their restaurant of

2364
01:24:46,000 --> 01:24:48,120
choice for years was Florida Lee.

2365
01:24:48,700 --> 01:24:50,520
Where you and I have been many a

2366
01:24:50,520 --> 01:24:51,560
time for lunch, Florida Lee.

2367
01:24:51,560 --> 01:24:54,000
Yeah, it's because the chef's a friend of

2368
01:24:54,000 --> 01:24:54,200
mine.

2369
01:24:54,260 --> 01:24:54,900
It's gone now.

2370
01:24:54,900 --> 01:24:55,560
Is it gone now?

2371
01:24:55,800 --> 01:24:56,200
Is it gone?

2372
01:24:56,260 --> 01:24:56,760
Is it still there?

2373
01:24:56,880 --> 01:24:57,720
Oh, it's long gone.

2374
01:24:57,800 --> 01:24:58,520
He moved to Vegas.

2375
01:24:58,620 --> 01:24:59,600
I can't even get a hold of him.

2376
01:24:59,680 --> 01:25:00,880
He's the one who wrote the forward for

2377
01:25:00,880 --> 01:25:01,060
the...

2378
01:25:01,060 --> 01:25:01,520
Of course not.

2379
01:25:02,180 --> 01:25:04,240
He wrote the forward for TooManyEggs.com.

2380
01:25:04,440 --> 01:25:05,740
Oh, that's nice.

2381
01:25:05,820 --> 01:25:06,640
Hubert Keller, yeah.

2382
01:25:06,760 --> 01:25:06,920
Yeah.

2383
01:25:09,520 --> 01:25:12,260
And he wrote the forward like forwards are

2384
01:25:12,260 --> 01:25:13,060
typically written.

2385
01:25:13,780 --> 01:25:15,340
John, can you write the forward and I'll

2386
01:25:15,340 --> 01:25:15,800
sign it?

2387
01:25:15,940 --> 01:25:17,180
I'm not reading this book.

2388
01:25:17,240 --> 01:25:18,080
I'll just sign it.

2389
01:25:18,280 --> 01:25:18,920
I like Mimi.

2390
01:25:19,060 --> 01:25:19,560
She's cool.

2391
01:25:22,120 --> 01:25:24,860
So I talked to this couple of the

2392
01:25:24,860 --> 01:25:29,500
wait staff there because they would call, Sharon

2393
01:25:29,500 --> 01:25:31,860
So would call and demand a table at

2394
01:25:31,860 --> 01:25:34,560
any given spot where there were reservations, whether

2395
01:25:34,560 --> 01:25:35,880
the place was filled or not, and they'd

2396
01:25:35,880 --> 01:25:36,940
always accommodate them.

2397
01:25:37,020 --> 01:25:37,680
They're very accommodating.

2398
01:25:37,680 --> 01:25:38,680
Of course, it's Sharon So.

2399
01:25:38,680 --> 01:25:39,440
To superstars.

2400
01:25:39,620 --> 01:25:40,060
Of course.

2401
01:25:41,600 --> 01:25:43,620
The guy says to me, he says, the

2402
01:25:43,620 --> 01:25:45,000
problem was...

2403
01:25:45,000 --> 01:25:47,420
This is a good story time, Uncle John.

2404
01:25:47,420 --> 01:25:48,420
I don't think...

2405
01:25:49,320 --> 01:25:51,660
And I'm reminded of that story.

2406
01:25:51,840 --> 01:25:52,960
It could be bull crap.

2407
01:25:53,240 --> 01:25:55,120
This is just a story I was told.

2408
01:25:56,140 --> 01:25:57,700
Maybe she was sober as a judge all

2409
01:25:57,700 --> 01:25:58,040
the time.

2410
01:25:58,140 --> 01:25:59,540
I don't see no evidence of it, but

2411
01:25:59,540 --> 01:26:01,060
I get the sense that she was in

2412
01:26:01,060 --> 01:26:03,460
the same bag that Kamala was in when

2413
01:26:03,460 --> 01:26:05,780
she gave this little talk here in Italy.

2414
01:26:06,160 --> 01:26:07,500
And Italy is a place where they got

2415
01:26:07,500 --> 01:26:08,120
good wine.

2416
01:26:08,500 --> 01:26:08,740
Yeah.

2417
01:26:09,040 --> 01:26:09,960
What happens?

2418
01:26:10,640 --> 01:26:12,260
You have seen this before.

2419
01:26:12,820 --> 01:26:15,400
My country is in its adolescence.

2420
01:26:16,700 --> 01:26:18,980
Adolescence is very arrogant.

2421
01:26:19,580 --> 01:26:22,200
Adolescence thinks it knows everything.

2422
01:26:23,240 --> 01:26:27,220
Adolescence is naive and ignorant and arrogant.

2423
01:26:27,660 --> 01:26:31,460
And we are in our ignorant, arrogant adolescence.

2424
01:26:33,140 --> 01:26:35,840
We haven't seen this before in our country.

2425
01:26:36,400 --> 01:26:41,720
So Americans who don't travel, who 80%

2426
01:26:41,720 --> 01:26:43,380
don't have a passport...

2427
01:26:43,380 --> 01:26:43,660
We're stupid!

2428
01:26:43,660 --> 01:26:44,670
...who are uneducated...

2429
01:26:45,420 --> 01:26:45,850
We're uneducated!

2430
01:26:46,340 --> 01:26:48,790
...are in their extraordinary naivete.

2431
01:26:49,720 --> 01:26:50,160
Naivete.

2432
01:26:50,540 --> 01:26:51,060
We're naivete.

2433
01:26:51,480 --> 01:26:54,460
What I can say is that the only

2434
01:26:54,460 --> 01:26:57,020
way that we can help with these issues

2435
01:26:57,660 --> 01:26:59,300
is to help each other.

2436
01:27:01,160 --> 01:27:03,960
Now, we can't just say that women should

2437
01:27:03,960 --> 01:27:04,860
help women...

2438
01:27:04,860 --> 01:27:05,080
No, no.

2439
01:27:05,080 --> 01:27:07,480
...because that's the only way we have survived

2440
01:27:07,480 --> 01:27:08,240
so far.

2441
01:27:10,740 --> 01:27:14,800
We must say that good men must help

2442
01:27:14,800 --> 01:27:15,660
good men.

2443
01:27:16,500 --> 01:27:19,960
And those good men must be very aware

2444
01:27:19,960 --> 01:27:23,360
that a lot of your friends are not

2445
01:27:23,360 --> 01:27:24,160
good men.

2446
01:27:24,440 --> 01:27:25,060
Hold on a second.

2447
01:27:25,140 --> 01:27:25,760
Let me get this right.

2448
01:27:26,800 --> 01:27:28,540
So, John, you and I have to help

2449
01:27:28,540 --> 01:27:30,960
each other, but we have to be aware

2450
01:27:30,960 --> 01:27:32,540
that one of us may not be a

2451
01:27:32,540 --> 01:27:32,980
good man.

2452
01:27:33,420 --> 01:27:33,780
Yeah.

2453
01:27:33,920 --> 01:27:35,020
I'm worried.

2454
01:27:35,020 --> 01:27:38,020
And you can't continue to pretend...

2455
01:27:39,440 --> 01:27:41,320
Isn't this kind of like a unburdened-by

2456
01:27:41,320 --> 01:27:42,800
-what-has-been speech here?

2457
01:27:43,180 --> 01:27:44,620
It's really bad.

2458
01:27:45,540 --> 01:27:46,100
There's more.

2459
01:27:46,280 --> 01:27:49,340
...are good men when they are not good

2460
01:27:49,340 --> 01:27:49,800
men.

2461
01:27:50,060 --> 01:27:50,360
Uh-huh.

2462
01:27:50,540 --> 01:27:51,680
Few good men.

2463
01:27:51,820 --> 01:27:56,440
And you must be very clear-minded and

2464
01:27:56,440 --> 01:27:59,260
understand that your friends who are not good

2465
01:27:59,260 --> 01:28:02,960
men are dangerous, violent men.

2466
01:28:03,120 --> 01:28:03,360
Oh.

2467
01:28:03,360 --> 01:28:05,700
And you have to keep them away from

2468
01:28:05,700 --> 01:28:12,380
your daughters, your wives, and your girlfriends, because

2469
01:28:12,380 --> 01:28:14,460
this is a time when we can no

2470
01:28:14,460 --> 01:28:18,500
longer look away when bad men are bad.

2471
01:28:21,060 --> 01:28:23,800
Boy, this is like some sort of a

2472
01:28:23,800 --> 01:28:25,580
virus, this word salad thing.

2473
01:28:29,640 --> 01:28:31,580
I want to like her so much.

2474
01:28:32,120 --> 01:28:33,520
Yeah, I want to like the old Cher.

2475
01:28:33,520 --> 01:28:35,040
Well, a lot of people defended her because

2476
01:28:35,040 --> 01:28:37,380
I think they've always liked her early acting.

2477
01:28:37,640 --> 01:28:38,540
Sure, sure.

2478
01:28:38,620 --> 01:28:39,940
She was a very good-looking lady.

2479
01:28:41,000 --> 01:28:41,700
Yeah, great stuff.

2480
01:28:42,340 --> 01:28:45,440
My producer on the old Software Hard Talk

2481
01:28:45,440 --> 01:28:47,660
used to go to high school with her...

2482
01:28:48,120 --> 01:28:48,420
Yeah.

2483
01:28:49,160 --> 01:28:51,580
...and said that she was well-known, and

2484
01:28:51,580 --> 01:28:52,620
it was in Pennsylvania.

2485
01:28:53,260 --> 01:28:54,360
Yes, she's from Pennsylvania.

2486
01:28:54,360 --> 01:28:58,380
She's a well-known roundheels in the high

2487
01:28:58,380 --> 01:28:58,680
school.

2488
01:28:59,220 --> 01:28:59,740
Roundheels?

2489
01:28:59,740 --> 01:29:02,120
Yeah, you can figure that out yourself.

2490
01:29:04,920 --> 01:29:06,520
That's as far as I'll go with it,

2491
01:29:06,640 --> 01:29:10,840
but Sharon Stone is quite the personality.

2492
01:29:11,220 --> 01:29:13,040
Oh, oh, I just looked it up.

2493
01:29:13,280 --> 01:29:15,200
Okay, it's offensive slang, by the way.

2494
01:29:15,400 --> 01:29:17,240
Offensive slang is what you use there.

2495
01:29:18,560 --> 01:29:19,480
Uh-huh.

2496
01:29:19,720 --> 01:29:22,600
The, I will say it, the phrase alludes

2497
01:29:22,600 --> 01:29:24,560
to the heels of a woman's shoes becoming

2498
01:29:24,560 --> 01:29:26,920
rounded to her frequently falling backward.

2499
01:29:28,680 --> 01:29:29,160
Wow.

2500
01:29:29,160 --> 01:29:31,340
This is very old English.

2501
01:29:31,740 --> 01:29:33,640
And that's the term that she used when

2502
01:29:33,640 --> 01:29:34,640
she described it.

2503
01:29:35,900 --> 01:29:38,040
Speaking of great words...

2504
01:29:38,040 --> 01:29:39,340
Next, the word of the year.

2505
01:29:39,540 --> 01:29:42,260
According to dictionary.com, it's demure.

2506
01:29:42,620 --> 01:29:45,360
It's defined as characterized by shyness...

2507
01:29:45,360 --> 01:29:46,460
...and modesty or reserves.

2508
01:29:47,240 --> 01:29:49,200
Demure went viral over the summer when TikTok

2509
01:29:49,200 --> 01:29:52,200
creator Jules LeBron used the phrase very demure,

2510
01:29:52,320 --> 01:29:53,660
very mindful in her videos.

2511
01:29:54,180 --> 01:29:57,620
Oh, yes, boy, thanks, mainstream media.

2512
01:29:57,620 --> 01:29:58,700
Thank you.

2513
01:29:59,000 --> 01:30:01,440
Demure, very demure, very mindful.

2514
01:30:01,740 --> 01:30:02,120
Beautiful.

2515
01:30:02,600 --> 01:30:03,680
It's beautiful.

2516
01:30:05,060 --> 01:30:05,820
All right.

2517
01:30:06,340 --> 01:30:07,380
Do something on this.

2518
01:30:07,520 --> 01:30:09,900
Since we talked about Joe, you brought in,

2519
01:30:10,180 --> 01:30:12,540
you said to one of our producers, I

2520
01:30:12,540 --> 01:30:14,740
have the best clips of Joe Rogan with

2521
01:30:14,740 --> 01:30:15,580
Marc Andreessen.

2522
01:30:15,840 --> 01:30:17,460
Can I tell my Marc Andreessen story?

2523
01:30:19,530 --> 01:30:21,410
I have one, too, but go ahead.

2524
01:30:21,490 --> 01:30:22,550
No, you start first.

2525
01:30:23,050 --> 01:30:25,470
Well, my story's not as interesting as yours

2526
01:30:25,470 --> 01:30:27,530
is gonna be because you got your stories

2527
01:30:27,530 --> 01:30:30,730
after he became, I think, a VC, probably.

2528
01:30:30,730 --> 01:30:33,870
No, no, my story is before he became

2529
01:30:33,870 --> 01:30:34,310
a VC.

2530
01:30:34,410 --> 01:30:35,810
Oh, well, my story is before he became

2531
01:30:35,810 --> 01:30:36,610
a VC, too.

2532
01:30:36,670 --> 01:30:37,410
Here's what happened.

2533
01:30:38,070 --> 01:30:41,950
So I had condemned one of the...

2534
01:30:42,670 --> 01:30:44,470
Oh, I had to think of his name.

2535
01:30:45,050 --> 01:30:46,310
One of the...

2536
01:30:46,310 --> 01:30:46,830
Partners?

2537
01:30:48,150 --> 01:30:48,890
Jim Barksdale.

2538
01:30:49,710 --> 01:30:51,030
It was Jim Barksdale.

2539
01:30:51,610 --> 01:30:51,930
Boom.

2540
01:30:51,930 --> 01:30:55,930
I had condemned him because I had offered

2541
01:30:55,930 --> 01:30:58,530
him a ride at some event, and the

2542
01:30:58,530 --> 01:31:01,010
way he shrugged me off was extremely insulting.

2543
01:31:02,110 --> 01:31:03,250
And so I kind of wrote it up

2544
01:31:03,250 --> 01:31:05,470
in one of my columns, that, you know,

2545
01:31:05,570 --> 01:31:06,130
it's what you do.

2546
01:31:06,170 --> 01:31:09,650
Jim Barksdale, very wealthy man, had this very

2547
01:31:09,650 --> 01:31:11,130
famous yacht.

2548
01:31:12,050 --> 01:31:14,930
Yeah, and he's a southerner, southern drawl, he

2549
01:31:14,930 --> 01:31:15,050
said.

2550
01:31:15,170 --> 01:31:15,310
Yeah.

2551
01:31:15,890 --> 01:31:16,350
Gentleman.

2552
01:31:16,650 --> 01:31:16,910
Yeah.

2553
01:31:17,530 --> 01:31:19,610
And so I wrote this thing up about

2554
01:31:19,610 --> 01:31:20,990
Barksdale being an asshole.

2555
01:31:22,430 --> 01:31:24,650
As one does in the turn-the-other

2556
01:31:24,650 --> 01:31:25,810
-cheek world of John C.

2557
01:31:25,950 --> 01:31:26,270
Dvorak.

2558
01:31:28,270 --> 01:31:30,230
It was, you know, it was done in

2559
01:31:30,230 --> 01:31:31,370
a way that was okay.

2560
01:31:31,610 --> 01:31:34,090
It wasn't like I was, you know, I

2561
01:31:34,090 --> 01:31:35,290
was just pointing out what happened.

2562
01:31:35,510 --> 01:31:36,210
And so they...

2563
01:31:36,210 --> 01:31:37,270
Oh, it was a big fuss.

2564
01:31:38,070 --> 01:31:39,410
And so they had to have a...

2565
01:31:39,410 --> 01:31:41,790
Wait a minute, what magazine was this for?

2566
01:31:42,350 --> 01:31:44,090
PC Magazine, the big boy.

2567
01:31:44,150 --> 01:31:44,450
Oh, boy.

2568
01:31:45,770 --> 01:31:49,050
You have meddled with the primal forces of

2569
01:31:49,050 --> 01:31:50,610
nature, Mr. Dvorak.

2570
01:31:50,610 --> 01:31:52,630
And so I had to have a sit

2571
01:31:52,630 --> 01:31:55,490
-down with Barksdale, and Andreessen showed up to

2572
01:31:55,490 --> 01:31:57,090
it, and it was a sit-down at

2573
01:31:57,090 --> 01:31:59,350
Florida Lee, of all places, once again.

2574
01:31:59,490 --> 01:32:01,050
It's like a Nexus for a lot of

2575
01:32:01,050 --> 01:32:01,270
this stuff.

2576
01:32:01,270 --> 01:32:02,410
That's great, that's great, that's great.

2577
01:32:02,770 --> 01:32:04,150
So we had a dinner there, and we

2578
01:32:04,150 --> 01:32:05,890
talked, and it was, you know, it was

2579
01:32:05,890 --> 01:32:08,070
like it was a misunderstanding, and all the

2580
01:32:08,070 --> 01:32:08,530
rest of it.

2581
01:32:08,710 --> 01:32:09,750
It was a good dinner.

2582
01:32:09,870 --> 01:32:11,070
I thought you were trying to run me

2583
01:32:11,070 --> 01:32:11,390
over.

2584
01:32:11,590 --> 01:32:12,930
I didn't understand you were trying to give

2585
01:32:12,930 --> 01:32:13,890
me a ride.

2586
01:32:14,630 --> 01:32:16,250
It was just, it was...

2587
01:32:17,330 --> 01:32:20,190
But Andreessen was there, and Andreessen, when he

2588
01:32:20,190 --> 01:32:22,030
had hair, he actually had hair.

2589
01:32:22,150 --> 01:32:22,890
I don't know if you met him when

2590
01:32:22,890 --> 01:32:23,270
he had hair.

2591
01:32:24,070 --> 01:32:24,790
But he had hair.

2592
01:32:24,890 --> 01:32:26,650
He didn't look like an egg.

2593
01:32:27,170 --> 01:32:29,570
Elon had hair at one point, too, but

2594
01:32:29,570 --> 01:32:30,390
not for long.

2595
01:32:31,910 --> 01:32:32,830
Elon's got hair.

2596
01:32:33,110 --> 01:32:34,130
He has a bristle rug.

2597
01:32:34,190 --> 01:32:34,770
Are you kidding me?

2598
01:32:34,790 --> 01:32:35,450
That's plugs.

2599
01:32:37,010 --> 01:32:38,210
Well, at least he's got hair.

2600
01:32:38,210 --> 01:32:38,970
What's hair, though?

2601
01:32:39,050 --> 01:32:39,430
It's hair.

2602
01:32:39,690 --> 01:32:40,610
Andreessen's bald now.

2603
01:32:40,750 --> 01:32:41,370
Yes, yeah.

2604
01:32:41,610 --> 01:32:43,290
So when he had hair, and it was

2605
01:32:43,290 --> 01:32:44,670
like...

2606
01:32:45,210 --> 01:32:46,790
Andreessen was very reticent.

2607
01:32:46,910 --> 01:32:49,770
He was a shy guy, and when he

2608
01:32:49,770 --> 01:32:54,670
became a loudmouth venture capitalist, I just said,

2609
01:32:54,810 --> 01:32:56,010
wow, I didn't know he had it in

2610
01:32:56,010 --> 01:32:56,190
him.

2611
01:32:56,910 --> 01:32:57,730
And, you know, and he's like...

2612
01:32:58,450 --> 01:33:00,090
Yeah, there's a lot of stories about Andreessen.

2613
01:33:00,150 --> 01:33:01,530
I've got others, but...

2614
01:33:01,530 --> 01:33:02,950
So that's when I first met him, and

2615
01:33:02,950 --> 01:33:04,970
that was when he was still at Netscape,

2616
01:33:05,070 --> 01:33:05,670
so...

2617
01:33:06,370 --> 01:33:07,810
We'll play the clips, and then I will

2618
01:33:07,810 --> 01:33:07,910
tell...

2619
01:33:07,910 --> 01:33:09,310
Before the IPO, I believe.

2620
01:33:09,510 --> 01:33:10,810
We'll play the clips, and then I will

2621
01:33:10,810 --> 01:33:14,010
tell everybody my Marc Andreessen story.

2622
01:33:15,210 --> 01:33:16,890
So what are we listening to here?

2623
01:33:17,550 --> 01:33:19,390
This is on Rogan.

2624
01:33:20,350 --> 01:33:22,330
We don't play that many Rogan clips, but

2625
01:33:22,330 --> 01:33:23,030
this is a good one.

2626
01:33:23,410 --> 01:33:25,170
This is news to me, and it was

2627
01:33:25,170 --> 01:33:26,690
news to Rogan, and it was news to

2628
01:33:26,690 --> 01:33:26,870
everybody.

2629
01:33:26,990 --> 01:33:27,810
You didn't know about this?

2630
01:33:28,830 --> 01:33:31,870
About the debanking of 30 venture capital...

2631
01:33:31,870 --> 01:33:32,450
Chokehold 2.0?

2632
01:33:32,530 --> 01:33:33,190
Defunded companies?

2633
01:33:33,590 --> 01:33:35,050
Yes, yeah, I knew about this.

2634
01:33:35,630 --> 01:33:37,370
I did not know about this.

2635
01:33:37,470 --> 01:33:38,610
Hmm, all right, here we go.

2636
01:33:38,730 --> 01:33:40,010
And then my favorite twist is we have

2637
01:33:40,010 --> 01:33:41,510
this thing called independent federal agencies.

2638
01:33:42,070 --> 01:33:43,470
So, for example, we have this thing called

2639
01:33:43,470 --> 01:33:45,890
the Consumer Finance Protection Bureau, CFPB, which is

2640
01:33:45,890 --> 01:33:47,750
sort of Elizabeth Warren's...

2641
01:33:47,750 --> 01:33:48,630
Oh, by the way, stop the clip for

2642
01:33:48,630 --> 01:33:48,930
a second.

2643
01:33:49,770 --> 01:33:52,510
When I met Marc Andreessen at the Florida...

2644
01:33:53,070 --> 01:33:55,130
He wasn't a fast talker either.

2645
01:33:55,150 --> 01:33:56,070
I know, I know.

2646
01:33:56,310 --> 01:33:58,470
What is this fast talking thing?

2647
01:33:58,690 --> 01:34:01,530
Silicon Valley venture capital nonsense.

2648
01:34:01,750 --> 01:34:03,770
It's milieu, milieu.

2649
01:34:05,250 --> 01:34:05,790
It's milieu.

2650
01:34:06,310 --> 01:34:06,790
Of course.

2651
01:34:06,950 --> 01:34:07,770
That she gets to control.

2652
01:34:08,950 --> 01:34:10,550
And I got to do a lot of

2653
01:34:10,550 --> 01:34:10,750
this.

2654
01:34:11,830 --> 01:34:13,410
Yeah, he's sniffing a lot.

2655
01:34:14,090 --> 01:34:15,090
We should do this a lot.

2656
01:34:16,690 --> 01:34:18,310
I actually had to cut a couple of

2657
01:34:18,310 --> 01:34:19,210
them out of the clip.

2658
01:34:19,470 --> 01:34:20,190
Oh, that's too bad.

2659
01:34:21,970 --> 01:34:23,950
Independent agency that just gets to run and

2660
01:34:23,950 --> 01:34:25,210
do whatever it wants, right?

2661
01:34:25,270 --> 01:34:27,090
And if you read the Constitution, like there

2662
01:34:27,090 --> 01:34:28,310
is no such thing as independent...

2663
01:34:28,310 --> 01:34:32,010
I'm just thinking, fast talking, does that remind

2664
01:34:32,010 --> 01:34:32,670
you of anything?

2665
01:34:33,830 --> 01:34:34,410
An agency.

2666
01:34:34,930 --> 01:34:36,070
And yet there it is.

2667
01:34:36,450 --> 01:34:37,650
He never...

2668
01:34:37,650 --> 01:34:39,910
Okay, I know what you're hinting at, but

2669
01:34:39,910 --> 01:34:42,630
he doesn't have the other affectations.

2670
01:34:42,810 --> 01:34:44,230
He doesn't tap his nose.

2671
01:34:44,650 --> 01:34:45,530
No, he doesn't have any of that.

2672
01:34:46,010 --> 01:34:46,970
No, I don't believe that.

2673
01:34:47,450 --> 01:34:49,330
I think it's just maybe too much coffee.

2674
01:34:50,050 --> 01:34:50,770
Black rifle.

2675
01:34:50,930 --> 01:34:52,470
Agency do whatever she wants.

2676
01:34:52,830 --> 01:34:53,490
What does it do though?

2677
01:34:53,750 --> 01:34:59,650
Basically, terrorize financial institutions, prevent decrypt Fintech, prevent

2678
01:34:59,650 --> 01:35:00,710
new competition, new startups.

2679
01:35:00,750 --> 01:35:01,890
Whoa, that was a good one, Marc.

2680
01:35:04,510 --> 01:35:08,910
Terrorize financial institutions, prevent decrypt Fintech, prevent new

2681
01:35:08,910 --> 01:35:10,450
competition, new startups that want to compete with

2682
01:35:10,450 --> 01:35:10,930
the big banks.

2683
01:35:11,290 --> 01:35:12,030
How so?

2684
01:35:12,350 --> 01:35:14,450
Just terrorizing anybody who tries to do anything

2685
01:35:14,450 --> 01:35:15,410
new in financial services.

2686
01:35:15,530 --> 01:35:16,390
Can you give me an example?

2687
01:35:16,830 --> 01:35:18,230
You know, debanking.

2688
01:35:18,730 --> 01:35:20,190
This is where a lot of the debanking

2689
01:35:20,190 --> 01:35:21,610
comes from is these agencies.

2690
01:35:21,870 --> 01:35:23,930
So debanking is when you as either a

2691
01:35:23,930 --> 01:35:25,670
person or your company are literally kicked out

2692
01:35:25,670 --> 01:35:26,370
of the banking system.

2693
01:35:26,510 --> 01:35:27,270
Like they did to Kanye.

2694
01:35:27,650 --> 01:35:28,770
Exactly, like they did to Kanye.

2695
01:35:29,210 --> 01:35:31,350
My partner Ben's father has been debanked.

2696
01:35:31,630 --> 01:35:31,930
Really?

2697
01:35:32,010 --> 01:35:32,930
We had an employee...

2698
01:35:32,930 --> 01:35:33,330
For what?

2699
01:35:33,690 --> 01:35:36,370
For having the wrong politics, for saying unacceptable

2700
01:35:36,370 --> 01:35:36,630
things.

2701
01:35:37,030 --> 01:35:38,810
Under current banking regulations...

2702
01:35:38,810 --> 01:35:40,070
Okay, here's a great thing.

2703
01:35:40,190 --> 01:35:42,210
Under current banking regulations, after all the reforms

2704
01:35:42,210 --> 01:35:43,510
in the last 20 years, there's now a

2705
01:35:43,510 --> 01:35:46,070
category called a politically exposed person, PEP.

2706
01:35:46,950 --> 01:35:48,290
And if you are a PEP, you are

2707
01:35:48,290 --> 01:35:50,130
required by financial regulators to kick them out

2708
01:35:50,130 --> 01:35:52,530
of your bank.

2709
01:35:52,890 --> 01:35:52,990
What?

2710
01:35:53,310 --> 01:35:55,010
But what if you're politically on the left?

2711
01:35:55,330 --> 01:35:55,930
That's fine.

2712
01:35:56,450 --> 01:35:57,250
No, really?

2713
01:35:57,250 --> 01:35:59,030
Because they're not politically exposed.

2714
01:35:59,070 --> 01:36:00,730
So no one on the left gets debanked?

2715
01:36:00,790 --> 01:36:02,310
I have not heard of a single instance

2716
01:36:02,310 --> 01:36:03,230
of anybody on the left getting debanked.

2717
01:36:03,250 --> 01:36:04,910
Can you tell me what the person that

2718
01:36:04,910 --> 01:36:05,550
you know did?

2719
01:36:05,550 --> 01:36:07,610
What they said that got them debanked?

2720
01:36:07,610 --> 01:36:08,710
Oh, well, I mean, David Horowitz is a

2721
01:36:08,710 --> 01:36:09,030
right wing.

2722
01:36:09,150 --> 01:36:09,870
You know, he's pro-Trump.

2723
01:36:09,950 --> 01:36:11,030
I mean, he's said all kinds of things.

2724
01:36:11,170 --> 01:36:12,950
You know, he's been very anti-Islamic terrorism.

2725
01:36:13,110 --> 01:36:15,290
He's been very worried about immigration, all these

2726
01:36:15,290 --> 01:36:15,570
things.

2727
01:36:15,710 --> 01:36:16,650
And they debanked him for that?

2728
01:36:16,790 --> 01:36:17,490
Yeah, they debanked him.

2729
01:36:17,530 --> 01:36:19,210
So you get kicked out of your bank

2730
01:36:19,210 --> 01:36:19,490
account.

2731
01:36:19,690 --> 01:36:20,770
You get kicked out of the...

2732
01:36:20,770 --> 01:36:22,010
You can't do credit card transactions.

2733
01:36:22,970 --> 01:36:23,630
By the way, you can't run...

2734
01:36:23,630 --> 01:36:24,350
How is that legal?

2735
01:36:24,490 --> 01:36:24,990
Well, exactly.

2736
01:36:25,250 --> 01:36:26,130
So this is the thing.

2737
01:36:26,230 --> 01:36:27,270
And then you go to this thing of

2738
01:36:27,270 --> 01:36:28,530
like, well, there's no...

2739
01:36:28,530 --> 01:36:29,910
This is where the government and the companies

2740
01:36:29,910 --> 01:36:30,610
get intertwined.

2741
01:36:31,050 --> 01:36:33,890
Back to your fascism point, which is there's

2742
01:36:33,890 --> 01:36:34,170
no...

2743
01:36:34,170 --> 01:36:35,750
There's a constitutional amendment that says the government

2744
01:36:35,750 --> 01:36:37,330
can't restrict your speech, but there's no constitutional

2745
01:36:37,330 --> 01:36:39,270
amendment that says the government can't debank you.

2746
01:36:40,810 --> 01:36:42,090
So this was called...

2747
01:36:42,090 --> 01:36:42,790
I don't know what you're saying.

2748
01:36:42,850 --> 01:36:43,930
You want to play the second clip when

2749
01:36:43,930 --> 01:36:44,890
we talk about it or what?

2750
01:36:45,390 --> 01:36:46,570
Well, you had something to say?

2751
01:36:46,890 --> 01:36:49,390
Well, so choke point, two point...

2752
01:36:49,390 --> 01:36:51,450
Choke point 2.0. Yeah, he talks about

2753
01:36:51,450 --> 01:36:52,190
that in the second clip.

2754
01:36:52,190 --> 01:36:52,410
Okay.

2755
01:36:52,610 --> 01:36:53,770
Then they don't have to debank you.

2756
01:36:53,810 --> 01:36:55,490
They just have to put pressure on the

2757
01:36:55,490 --> 01:36:57,050
private company banks to do it.

2758
01:36:57,390 --> 01:36:58,930
And then the private company banks do it

2759
01:36:58,930 --> 01:36:59,930
because they're expected to.

2760
01:37:00,290 --> 01:37:01,550
But the government gets to say, we didn't

2761
01:37:01,550 --> 01:37:01,870
do it.

2762
01:37:01,870 --> 01:37:03,390
It was the private company that did it.

2763
01:37:03,490 --> 01:37:05,090
And of course, JPMorgan can decide who they

2764
01:37:05,090 --> 01:37:05,890
want to have as customers.

2765
01:37:06,050 --> 01:37:06,810
Of course, right?

2766
01:37:06,930 --> 01:37:07,810
It's their private company.

2767
01:37:08,350 --> 01:37:10,350
And so it's this sleight of hand that

2768
01:37:10,350 --> 01:37:10,670
happens.

2769
01:37:11,030 --> 01:37:13,630
So it's basically, it's a privatized sanctions regime

2770
01:37:13,630 --> 01:37:17,310
that lets bureaucrats do to American citizens the

2771
01:37:17,310 --> 01:37:18,370
same thing that we do to Iran.

2772
01:37:19,030 --> 01:37:19,230
Whoa.

2773
01:37:19,610 --> 01:37:20,550
Just kick you out of the financial system.

2774
01:37:20,810 --> 01:37:22,670
This has been happening to all the crypto

2775
01:37:22,670 --> 01:37:23,950
entrepreneurs in the last four years.

2776
01:37:24,010 --> 01:37:24,970
This has been happening to a lot of

2777
01:37:24,970 --> 01:37:27,010
the fintech entrepreneurs, anybody trying to start any

2778
01:37:27,010 --> 01:37:29,350
kind of new banking service because they're trying

2779
01:37:29,350 --> 01:37:30,210
to protect the big banks.

2780
01:37:30,910 --> 01:37:32,410
And then this has been happening, by the

2781
01:37:32,410 --> 01:37:34,810
way, also in legal fields of economic activity

2782
01:37:34,810 --> 01:37:35,630
that they don't like.

2783
01:37:36,350 --> 01:37:37,450
And so a lot of this started about

2784
01:37:37,450 --> 01:37:39,310
15 years ago with this thing called Operation

2785
01:37:39,310 --> 01:37:42,270
Truck Point, where they decided to, as marijuana

2786
01:37:42,270 --> 01:37:44,610
started to become legal, as prostitution started to

2787
01:37:44,610 --> 01:37:46,950
become legal, and then guns, which there's always

2788
01:37:46,950 --> 01:37:47,530
a fight about.

2789
01:37:48,030 --> 01:37:50,550
Under the Obama administration, they started to debank

2790
01:37:50,550 --> 01:37:55,990
legal marijuana businesses, escort businesses, and then gun

2791
01:37:55,990 --> 01:37:57,850
shops, just like your gun manufacturers.

2792
01:37:58,030 --> 01:37:59,030
And just like you're done, you're out of

2793
01:37:59,030 --> 01:37:59,630
the banking system.

2794
01:38:00,330 --> 01:38:01,730
And so if you're running a medical marijuana

2795
01:38:01,730 --> 01:38:04,770
dispensary in 2012, guess what?

2796
01:38:04,850 --> 01:38:06,770
You're doing your business all in cash because

2797
01:38:06,770 --> 01:38:08,190
you literally can't get a bank account.

2798
01:38:08,330 --> 01:38:09,190
You can't get a visa terminal.

2799
01:38:09,430 --> 01:38:10,470
You can't process transactions.

2800
01:38:10,950 --> 01:38:11,830
You can't do payroll.

2801
01:38:11,970 --> 01:38:12,810
You can't do direct deposit.

2802
01:38:12,990 --> 01:38:13,890
You can't get insurance.

2803
01:38:14,750 --> 01:38:16,510
None of that stuff, you've been sanctioned.

2804
01:38:16,670 --> 01:38:17,570
None of that stuff is available.

2805
01:38:17,750 --> 01:38:19,950
And then this administration extended that concept to

2806
01:38:19,950 --> 01:38:23,090
apply it to tech founders, crypto founders, and

2807
01:38:23,090 --> 01:38:24,630
then just generally political opponents.

2808
01:38:25,870 --> 01:38:28,290
Yeah, so that's been super pernicious.

2809
01:38:28,290 --> 01:38:29,470
I wasn't aware of that.

2810
01:38:29,570 --> 01:38:30,170
Oh, 100%.

2811
01:38:30,170 --> 01:38:33,110
So it was Operation Chokepoint 1.0 was

2812
01:38:33,110 --> 01:38:34,890
15 years ago against the pot and the

2813
01:38:34,890 --> 01:38:35,210
guns.

2814
01:38:36,290 --> 01:38:38,530
Chokepoint 2.0 is primarily against their political

2815
01:38:38,530 --> 01:38:41,030
enemies and then to their disfavored tech startups.

2816
01:38:41,630 --> 01:38:43,350
And it's hit the tech world hard.

2817
01:38:43,410 --> 01:38:45,270
We've had like 30 founders debanked in the

2818
01:38:45,270 --> 01:38:45,870
last four years.

2819
01:38:46,110 --> 01:38:46,650
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

2820
01:38:46,690 --> 01:38:48,590
It's been a big recurring pattern.

2821
01:38:50,750 --> 01:38:53,850
So Chokepoint 1.0, actually there was a

2822
01:38:53,850 --> 01:38:56,990
document called Operation Chokepoint, and I think we

2823
01:38:56,990 --> 01:38:59,170
probably even talked about that years ago.

2824
01:38:59,970 --> 01:39:01,670
That was mainly the pot shops.

2825
01:39:01,770 --> 01:39:03,990
I wonder if I have Chokepoint.

2826
01:39:04,230 --> 01:39:04,770
Let me see.

2827
01:39:04,950 --> 01:39:05,250
Yes.

2828
01:39:05,510 --> 01:39:07,090
Oh, it looks like clips that you had.

2829
01:39:07,170 --> 01:39:07,670
Let me see.

2830
01:39:08,970 --> 01:39:10,370
What purpose did you hold for Missouri Rise?

2831
01:39:11,350 --> 01:39:11,770
Oh, yeah.

2832
01:39:11,790 --> 01:39:13,370
So there was a whole hearing in Congress

2833
01:39:13,370 --> 01:39:13,850
about it.

2834
01:39:14,390 --> 01:39:16,130
I don't think there was ever a document

2835
01:39:16,130 --> 01:39:19,090
called 2.0, but he's a little disingenuous.

2836
01:39:19,190 --> 01:39:20,590
I'd never heard of the Peps.

2837
01:39:21,670 --> 01:39:24,770
So that's something I wasn't familiar with.

2838
01:39:24,770 --> 01:39:27,110
I don't think there was ever a document

2839
01:39:27,110 --> 01:39:30,190
called Chokepoint 2.0, but in the Bitcoin,

2840
01:39:30,410 --> 01:39:34,030
and as he says, crypto circles, this is

2841
01:39:34,030 --> 01:39:37,370
really something that's been discussed around, particularly the

2842
01:39:37,370 --> 01:39:41,310
SEC and Gary Gensler because there was such.

2843
01:39:41,570 --> 01:39:44,050
And so, yeah, Elizabeth Warren was in there

2844
01:39:44,050 --> 01:39:44,510
as well.

2845
01:39:44,710 --> 01:39:47,910
So against crypto, which of course, except for

2846
01:39:47,910 --> 01:39:51,490
Bitcoin, everything else is what they call a

2847
01:39:51,490 --> 01:39:51,950
shit coin.

2848
01:39:52,050 --> 01:39:53,870
It's just it really is no good.

2849
01:39:53,870 --> 01:40:00,630
In my opinion, these companies and subsequently the

2850
01:40:00,630 --> 01:40:02,950
people who are running the companies were being

2851
01:40:02,950 --> 01:40:05,310
debanked because of the danger to the system.

2852
01:40:05,430 --> 01:40:07,630
And I think there was definitely pressure from

2853
01:40:07,630 --> 01:40:09,910
the SEC and from Gary Gensler in particular.

2854
01:40:10,110 --> 01:40:14,870
And that's why you saw the Bitcoin conference,

2855
01:40:16,630 --> 01:40:18,590
all this, I would just say pressure on

2856
01:40:18,590 --> 01:40:19,730
Trump to say two things.

2857
01:40:19,810 --> 01:40:25,470
One, he will pardon Ross, Silk Road Ross.

2858
01:40:25,770 --> 01:40:28,090
And two, fire Gary Gensler.

2859
01:40:28,650 --> 01:40:30,090
And that's because of this.

2860
01:40:30,250 --> 01:40:33,170
But to me, it's more about the, we

2861
01:40:33,170 --> 01:40:35,450
don't want your fake money to come into

2862
01:40:35,450 --> 01:40:37,490
our system than about the political stuff.

2863
01:40:38,170 --> 01:40:39,970
Andreessen's making it very political here.

2864
01:40:40,010 --> 01:40:41,830
I'm not sure that's, and some of it

2865
01:40:41,830 --> 01:40:42,950
may be true, but I don't think it's

2866
01:40:42,950 --> 01:40:43,650
entirely true.

2867
01:40:46,580 --> 01:40:47,300
I can see that.

2868
01:40:47,540 --> 01:40:52,140
Now my, well, for him, there's a lot

2869
01:40:52,140 --> 01:40:57,420
of reasons why Silicon Valley, people like Andreessen

2870
01:40:57,420 --> 01:41:01,300
Horowitz, why they want Trump because he, you

2871
01:41:01,300 --> 01:41:02,740
know, they put a lot of money into

2872
01:41:02,740 --> 01:41:04,740
his campaign and he was, he said, okay,

2873
01:41:04,780 --> 01:41:06,380
I'm going to make sure that you're good

2874
01:41:06,380 --> 01:41:06,940
with your Bitcoin.

2875
01:41:07,260 --> 01:41:09,480
And here's the key, your stable coins, your

2876
01:41:09,480 --> 01:41:10,460
stable coins.

2877
01:41:11,340 --> 01:41:13,540
Because that's going to be the, I believe

2878
01:41:13,540 --> 01:41:15,880
that's going to be the Trump money printing

2879
01:41:15,880 --> 01:41:19,020
system without actually printing money.

2880
01:41:21,120 --> 01:41:23,460
Because the biggest stable coin is Tether.

2881
01:41:24,020 --> 01:41:26,340
It's backed by U.S. treasuries, in fact,

2882
01:41:26,460 --> 01:41:30,540
and Bitcoin, but Tether buys, the biggest buyer

2883
01:41:30,540 --> 01:41:32,960
of U.S. treasuries right now to back

2884
01:41:32,960 --> 01:41:33,820
their stable coin.

2885
01:41:34,420 --> 01:41:35,980
So you get this company to buy the

2886
01:41:35,980 --> 01:41:36,440
treasuries.

2887
01:41:36,600 --> 01:41:37,500
That's your lending.

2888
01:41:37,900 --> 01:41:40,980
So you already are creating money by doing

2889
01:41:40,980 --> 01:41:41,440
that.

2890
01:41:41,760 --> 01:41:43,900
And then you get to bake on top

2891
01:41:43,900 --> 01:41:45,640
of it an equal amount of stable coin.

2892
01:41:45,740 --> 01:41:48,160
I have a feeling Trump sees this and

2893
01:41:48,160 --> 01:41:50,140
somehow that's how he's going to print money

2894
01:41:50,140 --> 01:41:51,140
without printing money.

2895
01:41:51,260 --> 01:41:51,840
We'll see.

2896
01:41:52,680 --> 01:41:54,380
Now my Marc Andreessen story.

2897
01:41:54,960 --> 01:41:56,980
We go back to 1993.

2898
01:41:58,880 --> 01:42:01,200
So this is before your Fleur de Lis

2899
01:42:01,200 --> 01:42:03,560
meeting, way before your Fleur de Lis meeting.

2900
01:42:04,440 --> 01:42:07,560
And I have set up MTV.com with

2901
01:42:07,560 --> 01:42:08,460
a Gopher server.

2902
01:42:09,480 --> 01:42:11,020
Do we remember the Gopher server?

2903
01:42:11,360 --> 01:42:12,460
Oh yeah, of course.

2904
01:42:12,660 --> 01:42:13,560
Not everybody does.

2905
01:42:14,440 --> 01:42:16,780
But Gopher, I remember seeing my, so this

2906
01:42:16,780 --> 01:42:17,960
is before the World Wide Web.

2907
01:42:18,200 --> 01:42:19,320
Go for this and go for that.

2908
01:42:20,220 --> 01:42:21,680
Well, there's two parts to this story.

2909
01:42:22,880 --> 01:42:24,500
So I set up- So you met

2910
01:42:24,500 --> 01:42:26,140
Andreessen when he was still at the university?

2911
01:42:26,600 --> 01:42:27,680
Let me get to the story.

2912
01:42:28,100 --> 01:42:28,460
Okay.

2913
01:42:28,560 --> 01:42:30,220
So I set up a Gopher server, which

2914
01:42:30,220 --> 01:42:31,760
is what blew me away about the internet,

2915
01:42:31,800 --> 01:42:34,300
is you could have this document, a page

2916
01:42:34,300 --> 01:42:35,880
of text, and you could say, all right,

2917
01:42:36,600 --> 01:42:39,180
link here to go to this other server

2918
01:42:39,180 --> 01:42:40,860
and get their page of text.

2919
01:42:41,120 --> 01:42:43,360
And then you could have document pages on

2920
01:42:43,360 --> 01:42:44,980
that server and it was all connected and

2921
01:42:44,980 --> 01:42:46,460
this was basically the web.

2922
01:42:47,360 --> 01:42:49,000
And so the first part of the story

2923
01:42:49,000 --> 01:42:50,760
is I set up this Gopher server, which

2924
01:42:50,760 --> 01:42:52,560
is made by the University of Minnesota.

2925
01:42:53,700 --> 01:42:56,280
Their CIS department had created this.

2926
01:42:56,640 --> 01:42:58,820
And I was on MTV going, hey, go

2927
01:42:58,820 --> 01:42:59,740
to MTV.com.

2928
01:42:59,800 --> 01:43:00,740
I've got a Gopher server.

2929
01:43:01,440 --> 01:43:03,320
And then they called me up and they

2930
01:43:03,320 --> 01:43:05,260
said, you're going to have to pay us

2931
01:43:05,260 --> 01:43:07,760
a $5,000 license for using the Gopher

2932
01:43:07,760 --> 01:43:08,200
server.

2933
01:43:08,440 --> 01:43:09,600
Like, what are you talking about?

2934
01:43:10,280 --> 01:43:11,400
It's open source.

2935
01:43:11,560 --> 01:43:13,260
Yeah, but it's, you know, we own the,

2936
01:43:13,880 --> 01:43:16,020
we own this and you're using it commercially.

2937
01:43:16,160 --> 01:43:18,460
I'm like, MTV is not using, it's me.

2938
01:43:18,540 --> 01:43:19,500
I'm just a dude.

2939
01:43:19,700 --> 01:43:20,820
I don't have $5,000.

2940
01:43:21,240 --> 01:43:22,520
And we struck a deal.

2941
01:43:22,720 --> 01:43:25,360
And the deal was they would forgo the

2942
01:43:25,360 --> 01:43:27,660
license as long as they wore a University

2943
01:43:27,660 --> 01:43:30,260
of Minnesota Gopher t-shirt on MTV.

2944
01:43:30,260 --> 01:43:32,060
And you can still find that on YouTube.

2945
01:43:32,780 --> 01:43:35,560
So around this time, I get an email,

2946
01:43:35,780 --> 01:43:37,480
Adam at MTV.com, I get an email

2947
01:43:37,480 --> 01:43:41,420
from this guy, Mark Andreessen, who's at the

2948
01:43:41,420 --> 01:43:44,320
University of Champaign-Urbana, Illinois.

2949
01:43:45,000 --> 01:43:50,120
He says, hey man, hey man, I love

2950
01:43:50,120 --> 01:43:53,180
what you're doing with this MTV.com.

2951
01:43:53,380 --> 01:43:55,160
Try out this software I've made.

2952
01:43:55,300 --> 01:43:58,860
It's called HCTPD and it's version 0.9.

2953
01:43:59,060 --> 01:44:00,080
You can install it.

2954
01:44:00,120 --> 01:44:01,800
And then I have this thing called Mosaic

2955
01:44:02,240 --> 01:44:03,920
and you can do multimedia.

2956
01:44:04,780 --> 01:44:05,760
And so I set it up.

2957
01:44:05,860 --> 01:44:07,460
And then that was the last I ever

2958
01:44:07,460 --> 01:44:07,940
heard from him.

2959
01:44:07,980 --> 01:44:09,840
But that was my encounter with Mark Andreessen

2960
01:44:09,840 --> 01:44:11,320
is he asked me to...

2961
01:44:11,320 --> 01:44:14,600
MTV.com was one of the early websites

2962
01:44:15,480 --> 01:44:18,840
on the World Wide Web because Andreessen asked

2963
01:44:18,840 --> 01:44:20,920
me to set it up.

2964
01:44:23,280 --> 01:44:24,160
Did that disappoint you?

2965
01:44:24,160 --> 01:44:26,900
Well, that story tops mine, I think.

2966
01:44:27,260 --> 01:44:27,820
A little bit.

2967
01:44:27,860 --> 01:44:29,540
Because my story really didn't have too much

2968
01:44:29,540 --> 01:44:30,120
to do with him.

2969
01:44:31,900 --> 01:44:35,400
And I will say that that's a really

2970
01:44:35,400 --> 01:44:36,240
great story.

2971
01:44:36,580 --> 01:44:37,940
Oh, well, thank you.

2972
01:44:38,380 --> 01:44:40,060
Rarely do you think my stories are that

2973
01:44:40,060 --> 01:44:40,240
good.

2974
01:44:40,240 --> 01:44:43,060
Well, I say because it's a historic moment.

2975
01:44:43,280 --> 01:44:43,900
Yes, it is.

2976
01:44:43,900 --> 01:44:46,020
And what makes it even greater is the

2977
01:44:46,020 --> 01:44:47,360
irony of the entire...

2978
01:44:47,360 --> 01:44:48,120
the way it came...

2979
01:44:48,120 --> 01:44:50,260
the way the whole thing fell apart.

2980
01:44:50,480 --> 01:44:52,840
Because you were like, obviously at the time,

2981
01:44:52,960 --> 01:44:55,900
it's some sort of a savant visionary who

2982
01:44:55,900 --> 01:44:56,960
put this thing up.

2983
01:44:57,060 --> 01:45:00,160
And MTV was so clueless with the boneheads

2984
01:45:00,160 --> 01:45:03,040
that were running it that they not only...

2985
01:45:03,040 --> 01:45:04,620
they basically fired you.

2986
01:45:05,880 --> 01:45:07,800
It's a story for another time, kids.

2987
01:45:07,800 --> 01:45:08,280
Yes.

2988
01:45:08,460 --> 01:45:10,940
But in the meantime, I want to thank

2989
01:45:10,940 --> 01:45:12,400
you for your courage and say in the

2990
01:45:12,400 --> 01:45:13,700
morning to you, the man who put the

2991
01:45:13,700 --> 01:45:15,620
sea in process, he say hello to my

2992
01:45:15,620 --> 01:45:17,140
friend on the other end, the one, the

2993
01:45:17,140 --> 01:45:18,540
only, Mr. John C.

2994
01:45:19,780 --> 01:45:20,100
Dvorak!

2995
01:45:22,440 --> 01:45:23,960
In the morning to you, Mr. Adam Curry.

2996
01:45:24,100 --> 01:45:25,000
In the morning to all the ships, the

2997
01:45:25,000 --> 01:45:26,460
seaboots in the ground, feeding the air, subs

2998
01:45:26,460 --> 01:45:27,640
in the water, and all the dames and

2999
01:45:27,640 --> 01:45:28,280
knights out there.

3000
01:45:28,380 --> 01:45:30,160
In the morning to all you turkey trolls

3001
01:45:30,160 --> 01:45:30,680
out there.

3002
01:45:30,800 --> 01:45:31,260
Don't move.

3003
01:45:31,380 --> 01:45:32,620
Let me see what you've got.

3004
01:45:35,320 --> 01:45:36,800
Yeah, it was kind to be expected.

3005
01:45:36,800 --> 01:45:38,580
It's Thanksgiving.

3006
01:45:39,020 --> 01:45:42,520
1,512 trolls at the peak.

3007
01:45:43,800 --> 01:45:44,880
Kind of to be expected.

3008
01:45:45,160 --> 01:45:45,520
It was 300 low.

3009
01:45:45,800 --> 01:45:48,000
It's still pretty good for considering people are

3010
01:45:48,000 --> 01:45:49,720
arguing with their in-laws right now.

3011
01:45:49,860 --> 01:45:51,520
I mean, some of them...

3012
01:45:51,680 --> 01:45:52,920
Some of them are just sitting in the

3013
01:45:52,920 --> 01:45:54,920
corner with their headphones on, you know, rocking

3014
01:45:54,920 --> 01:45:58,300
back and forth like Bill Gates, like, don't

3015
01:45:58,300 --> 01:45:58,980
talk to me.

3016
01:45:59,260 --> 01:45:59,820
What are you doing?

3017
01:45:59,920 --> 01:46:01,100
I'm listening to something important.

3018
01:46:02,120 --> 01:46:02,360
Yes.

3019
01:46:02,540 --> 01:46:03,460
Those trolls are very...

3020
01:46:03,460 --> 01:46:04,380
You should be listening to the show.

3021
01:46:04,700 --> 01:46:05,860
Those trolls are very important.

3022
01:46:05,860 --> 01:46:07,000
They are listening to the show.

3023
01:46:07,080 --> 01:46:09,800
And they're listening live at trollroom.io or

3024
01:46:09,800 --> 01:46:12,320
perhaps using a modern podcast app, which is

3025
01:46:12,320 --> 01:46:13,320
free of ALGOS.

3026
01:46:13,840 --> 01:46:16,140
ALGOS, L-A-L-G-O-S, Greek

3027
01:46:16,140 --> 01:46:17,960
for pain and suffering.

3028
01:46:18,360 --> 01:46:19,040
Look it up.

3029
01:46:20,180 --> 01:46:22,360
The modern podcast app, which you can find

3030
01:46:22,360 --> 01:46:24,440
at podcastapps.com, will in fact alert you

3031
01:46:24,440 --> 01:46:26,400
when we go live, even if you're out

3032
01:46:26,400 --> 01:46:27,860
and about and like, oh, that's right, the

3033
01:46:27,860 --> 01:46:28,080
show.

3034
01:46:28,200 --> 01:46:28,720
They got a show.

3035
01:46:28,900 --> 01:46:30,300
You already saw the newsletter.

3036
01:46:30,560 --> 01:46:32,900
Like, you kind of remembered, but oh, that's

3037
01:46:32,900 --> 01:46:33,760
right, the show's starting.

3038
01:46:34,280 --> 01:46:36,280
And then when we publish the show, it

3039
01:46:36,280 --> 01:46:38,020
notifies you within 90 seconds.

3040
01:46:38,140 --> 01:46:39,260
We've got all kinds of cool things.

3041
01:46:39,540 --> 01:46:40,860
Transcripts, you can search those.

3042
01:46:41,260 --> 01:46:44,380
Oh, you know, this is an anti-AI

3043
01:46:44,380 --> 01:46:44,820
story.

3044
01:46:45,140 --> 01:46:49,760
So bingit.io, which forwards to the Clip

3045
01:46:49,760 --> 01:46:54,140
Genie website that Sir Deenonymous put together bingit

3046
01:46:54,140 --> 01:46:55,500
.io, which is fantastic.

3047
01:46:55,600 --> 01:46:56,360
It's a search engine.

3048
01:46:56,480 --> 01:46:58,400
You search the transcripts, you search the clips,

3049
01:46:58,800 --> 01:46:59,860
you search articles.

3050
01:46:59,860 --> 01:47:02,320
I mean, everything that we've created up to

3051
01:47:02,320 --> 01:47:03,960
a certain point because we lost a lot

3052
01:47:03,960 --> 01:47:06,720
in a previous system we were using.

3053
01:47:07,880 --> 01:47:09,660
Drop.io, if you remember that.

3054
01:47:10,280 --> 01:47:10,540
Yep.

3055
01:47:10,760 --> 01:47:15,040
And they got Aqua hired, and then all

3056
01:47:15,040 --> 01:47:16,320
of a sudden, everything was gone.

3057
01:47:16,400 --> 01:47:17,740
We lost all of our show notes for

3058
01:47:17,740 --> 01:47:18,360
a couple of years.

3059
01:47:20,200 --> 01:47:23,100
So I get this email from one of

3060
01:47:23,100 --> 01:47:26,540
our producers, and he says, bingit.io, emergency.

3061
01:47:26,760 --> 01:47:27,600
You've got to look at this.

3062
01:47:27,620 --> 01:47:28,540
This is very important.

3063
01:47:30,660 --> 01:47:32,000
He sends me a screenshot.

3064
01:47:32,000 --> 01:47:34,300
He says, I just tried the new Grok

3065
01:47:34,300 --> 01:47:38,780
website analyzation on bingit.io. Bro, it expired

3066
01:47:38,780 --> 01:47:39,900
two days ago.

3067
01:47:40,740 --> 01:47:43,720
And I'm looking at this, so I'm looking

3068
01:47:43,720 --> 01:47:47,420
at this screenshot of Grok, which is the

3069
01:47:49,120 --> 01:47:52,800
ex-AI, and it says, to analyze the

3070
01:47:52,800 --> 01:47:55,880
website bingit.io, here's what can be gathered

3071
01:47:55,880 --> 01:47:57,020
from available data.

3072
01:47:57,720 --> 01:48:00,460
And then it says, domain registration, domain bingit

3073
01:48:00,460 --> 01:48:03,940
.io is registered November 25th, 2017, with an

3074
01:48:03,940 --> 01:48:07,320
expiration date set for November 25th, 2024.

3075
01:48:10,770 --> 01:48:13,690
And it has all this who is information.

3076
01:48:14,990 --> 01:48:17,710
And I'm like, this doesn't make any sense.

3077
01:48:18,570 --> 01:48:20,030
You know, first of all, it's working, so

3078
01:48:20,030 --> 01:48:21,250
it hasn't been turned off.

3079
01:48:21,490 --> 01:48:24,210
So I go in, it doesn't expire until

3080
01:48:24,210 --> 01:48:27,670
November 25th, 2025, and it's set to auto

3081
01:48:27,670 --> 01:48:28,270
renewal.

3082
01:48:29,330 --> 01:48:32,770
And I said, this is insane that people

3083
01:48:32,770 --> 01:48:35,250
believe these, that they trust these systems.

3084
01:48:35,730 --> 01:48:36,290
Yeah.

3085
01:48:36,610 --> 01:48:37,590
It's crap.

3086
01:48:38,770 --> 01:48:40,490
It's 100% crap.

3087
01:48:41,110 --> 01:48:43,610
Well, like I'm reminded that when I was

3088
01:48:43,610 --> 01:48:45,690
looking for that blonde woman that was sitting

3089
01:48:45,690 --> 01:48:48,070
next to the podium and all these systems

3090
01:48:48,070 --> 01:48:50,410
failed, including the one you did, Chet GPT,

3091
01:48:51,110 --> 01:48:53,470
by identifying her, we had three people that

3092
01:48:53,470 --> 01:48:55,390
wrote in and identified her.

3093
01:48:56,510 --> 01:48:57,510
That's NAI.

3094
01:48:59,250 --> 01:49:00,430
No agenda intelligence.

3095
01:49:00,430 --> 01:49:01,630
Right, no agenda intelligence.

3096
01:49:01,950 --> 01:49:04,790
And if I pushed it harder, I probably

3097
01:49:04,790 --> 01:49:07,270
would've gotten 10 people to help me out.

3098
01:49:07,390 --> 01:49:09,770
But three people, which is out of the

3099
01:49:09,770 --> 01:49:11,930
blue, just always so-and-so, I can't

3100
01:49:11,930 --> 01:49:12,570
remember her name.

3101
01:49:13,190 --> 01:49:15,290
She's the head of the, she's the one

3102
01:49:15,290 --> 01:49:16,810
who organized the whole event.

3103
01:49:17,150 --> 01:49:20,270
And you'd think these AI systems could figure

3104
01:49:20,270 --> 01:49:21,770
out who that was, but no.

3105
01:49:22,490 --> 01:49:23,490
It's no good.

3106
01:49:23,750 --> 01:49:25,910
It's good for very superficial stuff.

3107
01:49:26,030 --> 01:49:26,270
Yeah.

3108
01:49:26,270 --> 01:49:27,590
Well, example.

3109
01:49:27,790 --> 01:49:30,550
So Horowitz, who is very pro-AI, and

3110
01:49:30,550 --> 01:49:31,930
I'm very anti-AI.

3111
01:49:32,110 --> 01:49:33,690
I mean, I'm not against it.

3112
01:49:33,730 --> 01:49:36,470
It's just I have poor experiences, and I

3113
01:49:36,470 --> 01:49:37,930
don't think it's good for very much.

3114
01:49:37,950 --> 01:49:39,190
It's good for a few things.

3115
01:49:39,890 --> 01:49:44,770
So he sends me a summary of DH

3116
01:49:44,770 --> 01:49:45,770
Unplugged.

3117
01:49:46,270 --> 01:49:49,090
And he's run it through Chet GPT or

3118
01:49:49,090 --> 01:49:52,590
something, and it's this incredibly long, tedious document

3119
01:49:52,590 --> 01:49:55,590
that completely describes your episode.

3120
01:49:55,590 --> 01:49:58,050
And he's like, it's basically like, look at

3121
01:49:58,050 --> 01:49:59,410
how good this stuff is.

3122
01:49:59,750 --> 01:50:00,890
He likes it, yeah.

3123
01:50:00,990 --> 01:50:03,150
I'm like, well, I didn't read it.

3124
01:50:03,330 --> 01:50:04,230
I'm not going to read this.

3125
01:50:04,310 --> 01:50:04,790
It's tedious.

3126
01:50:05,110 --> 01:50:06,490
Just tell me what you talked about.

3127
01:50:06,950 --> 01:50:10,750
It's a very long, so I appreciate his

3128
01:50:12,330 --> 01:50:13,770
his trust in it all.

3129
01:50:13,910 --> 01:50:16,230
You know what's interesting, not to mention, I

3130
01:50:16,230 --> 01:50:17,390
was just thinking about this.

3131
01:50:20,510 --> 01:50:24,530
These systems that do the writing, they are

3132
01:50:24,530 --> 01:50:24,760
verbose.

3133
01:50:24,760 --> 01:50:26,940
Oh, flowery.

3134
01:50:26,980 --> 01:50:29,380
And what you really want is abstract.

3135
01:50:29,720 --> 01:50:32,460
You want things like, you want it boiled

3136
01:50:32,460 --> 01:50:32,980
down.

3137
01:50:33,220 --> 01:50:36,820
You want a reader's digest version, not a

3138
01:50:36,820 --> 01:50:40,540
war and peace version of what you're thinking.

3139
01:50:40,940 --> 01:50:42,640
You don't want something that goes on for

3140
01:50:42,640 --> 01:50:43,420
days and days.

3141
01:50:43,440 --> 01:50:45,180
You want something that's really tight.

3142
01:50:45,500 --> 01:50:47,520
That it cannot do.

3143
01:50:48,100 --> 01:50:48,400
No.

3144
01:50:49,800 --> 01:50:50,780
And why not?

3145
01:50:50,840 --> 01:50:51,600
That's what you want.

3146
01:50:51,700 --> 01:50:52,880
You want tight.

3147
01:50:53,040 --> 01:50:53,940
You don't want verbose.

3148
01:50:53,940 --> 01:50:56,100
You know, it's interesting.

3149
01:50:56,580 --> 01:50:57,860
We didn't play this clip.

3150
01:50:58,400 --> 01:51:00,460
Let me continue with this complaining.

3151
01:51:02,020 --> 01:51:04,600
When you have that phony baloney podcast that

3152
01:51:04,600 --> 01:51:06,260
they do, I've pointed this out, you know,

3153
01:51:06,280 --> 01:51:08,140
with the two people, they're already going to

3154
01:51:08,140 --> 01:51:08,980
do a deep dive.

3155
01:51:10,940 --> 01:51:12,440
They stretch stuff too.

3156
01:51:12,620 --> 01:51:13,340
It's a stretch.

3157
01:51:13,560 --> 01:51:15,020
They take a simple idea.

3158
01:51:15,240 --> 01:51:16,960
I proved this with a couple of things

3159
01:51:16,960 --> 01:51:17,560
we posted.

3160
01:51:17,760 --> 01:51:19,180
One, we used to play on the show.

3161
01:51:21,220 --> 01:51:23,620
But instead of keeping it tight and short

3162
01:51:23,620 --> 01:51:25,620
and sweet, they will go on and start

3163
01:51:25,620 --> 01:51:27,940
bringing other stuff into the conversation.

3164
01:51:28,100 --> 01:51:29,020
It's not necessary.

3165
01:51:29,760 --> 01:51:32,620
It's just, it's interesting that they can't do

3166
01:51:32,620 --> 01:51:33,320
that right.

3167
01:51:33,500 --> 01:51:35,780
So I put that whole thing into chat

3168
01:51:35,780 --> 01:51:37,860
GPT that he sent me.

3169
01:51:37,880 --> 01:51:40,080
And I said, summarize the content of this

3170
01:51:40,080 --> 01:51:41,560
in 400 words or less.

3171
01:51:41,660 --> 01:51:43,820
Well, it did exactly 400 words.

3172
01:51:44,180 --> 01:51:46,820
The podcast episode features John and Andrew engaging

3173
01:51:46,820 --> 01:51:49,940
in a dynamic, wide ranging discussion on topics

3174
01:51:49,940 --> 01:51:53,540
spanning personal plans, financial markets, current events, and

3175
01:51:53,540 --> 01:51:54,380
social trends.

3176
01:51:54,780 --> 01:51:56,300
But there's already a waste of time.

3177
01:51:56,520 --> 01:51:58,400
Yes, you're wasting my time.

3178
01:51:58,840 --> 01:52:02,220
The conversation begins with lighthearted Thanksgiving plans, including

3179
01:52:02,220 --> 01:52:02,680
John.

3180
01:52:02,860 --> 01:52:04,040
Again, this is who cares.

3181
01:52:04,500 --> 01:52:08,260
Yes, including John's experiment with smoking a turkey

3182
01:52:08,260 --> 01:52:10,820
in an electric smoker and updates on their

3183
01:52:10,820 --> 01:52:13,500
new t-shirt designs delayed by issues with

3184
01:52:13,500 --> 01:52:14,060
an artist.

3185
01:52:14,720 --> 01:52:15,280
Unimportant.

3186
01:52:15,720 --> 01:52:16,560
I know.

3187
01:52:17,820 --> 01:52:21,080
This discussion transitions into current events, highlighting the

3188
01:52:21,080 --> 01:52:23,380
resignation rumors surrounding Janet Yellen.

3189
01:52:23,860 --> 01:52:25,820
It's like, this is not a good summary

3190
01:52:25,820 --> 01:52:26,700
of this podcast.

3191
01:52:28,260 --> 01:52:29,220
It's not.

3192
01:52:29,920 --> 01:52:33,480
Anyway, I guess people like flowery language.

3193
01:52:35,260 --> 01:52:38,440
I do have, just because we're on it

3194
01:52:38,440 --> 01:52:39,420
and then I don't have to do it

3195
01:52:39,420 --> 01:52:40,960
after the, after we thank some people.

3196
01:52:42,920 --> 01:52:44,700
There's the, this is, did we do this,

3197
01:52:44,740 --> 01:52:48,460
the podcast about from nobody special finance, about

3198
01:52:48,460 --> 01:52:49,700
the AI job bots.

3199
01:52:49,700 --> 01:52:50,740
Did we do that already?

3200
01:52:51,280 --> 01:52:51,860
I don't know.

3201
01:52:52,180 --> 01:52:55,960
There's a new generation of AI job app,

3202
01:52:56,120 --> 01:52:57,200
applier apps.

3203
01:52:57,580 --> 01:52:59,100
So you go to a site, you upload

3204
01:52:59,100 --> 01:53:01,440
your resume, you give it some keywords and

3205
01:53:01,440 --> 01:53:01,960
then.

3206
01:53:02,320 --> 01:53:03,040
Yeah, I think so.

3207
01:53:03,180 --> 01:53:03,740
We already did that.

3208
01:53:03,880 --> 01:53:04,060
Okay.

3209
01:53:04,420 --> 01:53:06,640
Well, I remember it and maybe it doesn't

3210
01:53:06,640 --> 01:53:06,920
matter.

3211
01:53:07,100 --> 01:53:07,680
It doesn't matter.

3212
01:53:08,260 --> 01:53:08,660
Yeah.

3213
01:53:08,920 --> 01:53:11,000
Well, I have, you're going to start doing

3214
01:53:11,000 --> 01:53:12,480
a showdown on the AI stuff.

3215
01:53:12,560 --> 01:53:15,140
I do have my AI clip, but I

3216
01:53:15,140 --> 01:53:17,100
mean, AI news is AI news, not an

3217
01:53:17,100 --> 01:53:17,780
AI clip.

3218
01:53:18,020 --> 01:53:18,680
Oh, hold on a second.

3219
01:53:18,840 --> 01:53:19,140
Hold on.

3220
01:53:20,660 --> 01:53:23,920
Amazon says it's investing another $4 billion in

3221
01:53:23,920 --> 01:53:27,400
the artificial intelligence startup and traffic amid the

3222
01:53:27,400 --> 01:53:29,560
ongoing battle to lead the AI future in

3223
01:53:29,560 --> 01:53:30,380
the Silicon Valley.

3224
01:53:30,940 --> 01:53:33,480
The additional money brings Amazon's total investment to

3225
01:53:33,480 --> 01:53:34,220
$8 billion.

3226
01:53:35,080 --> 01:53:38,260
Anthropic is the company behind Claude, a chat

3227
01:53:38,260 --> 01:53:40,000
bot like open AI.

3228
01:53:40,180 --> 01:53:42,380
The money pouring into AI ventures is fueling

3229
01:53:42,380 --> 01:53:44,160
a search for the next chat GPT.

3230
01:53:45,980 --> 01:53:46,220
Okay.

3231
01:53:46,400 --> 01:53:46,860
$8 billion.

3232
01:53:46,860 --> 01:53:48,220
So far.

3233
01:53:48,420 --> 01:53:50,180
And what do they got to show for

3234
01:53:50,180 --> 01:53:50,360
it?

3235
01:53:50,400 --> 01:53:51,520
It's a drop in the bucket.

3236
01:53:51,660 --> 01:53:52,740
It's a drop in the bucket.

3237
01:53:52,900 --> 01:53:53,340
It's nothing.

3238
01:53:53,500 --> 01:53:53,940
All right.

3239
01:53:55,200 --> 01:53:57,120
Thank you, trolls for being here.

3240
01:53:58,220 --> 01:54:02,100
They are an AI, no agenda intelligence.

3241
01:54:02,600 --> 01:54:03,400
Sometimes it works.

3242
01:54:03,580 --> 01:54:04,720
They're never wordy though.

3243
01:54:05,120 --> 01:54:06,520
They're always very short and to the point

3244
01:54:06,520 --> 01:54:07,300
are NAI.

3245
01:54:07,600 --> 01:54:09,640
They just go, boom, here's what I think

3246
01:54:09,640 --> 01:54:10,000
of you.

3247
01:54:10,720 --> 01:54:11,060
Sucks.

3248
01:54:11,480 --> 01:54:12,320
That sucks.

3249
01:54:13,220 --> 01:54:14,180
Rap sucks.

3250
01:54:17,180 --> 01:54:18,140
Thanksgiving sucks.

3251
01:54:18,340 --> 01:54:18,480
Yeah.

3252
01:54:18,560 --> 01:54:20,680
They're very, very short with all that stuff.

3253
01:54:22,000 --> 01:54:24,080
We have many ways that people can help

3254
01:54:24,080 --> 01:54:25,260
us or N AI.

3255
01:54:25,460 --> 01:54:26,240
We have to say, right.

3256
01:54:26,300 --> 01:54:28,340
The N AI is one way.

3257
01:54:28,660 --> 01:54:31,260
We appreciate all of our trolls who participate

3258
01:54:31,260 --> 01:54:31,820
in that.

3259
01:54:32,160 --> 01:54:34,180
The other way is, well, you could do

3260
01:54:34,180 --> 01:54:34,720
lots of things.

3261
01:54:34,760 --> 01:54:36,240
We like time, talent and treasure.

3262
01:54:36,780 --> 01:54:40,840
As you've heard, clicks, listens, views, makes no

3263
01:54:40,840 --> 01:54:41,580
difference to us.

3264
01:54:41,840 --> 01:54:42,580
Never has.

3265
01:54:42,580 --> 01:54:45,060
We only care about, can we pay the

3266
01:54:45,060 --> 01:54:45,260
bills?

3267
01:54:45,460 --> 01:54:47,240
That's that has always been our mantra.

3268
01:54:47,480 --> 01:54:49,720
And as long as that's happening, we're happy.

3269
01:54:49,720 --> 01:54:51,700
And we'll continue in the last four years

3270
01:54:51,700 --> 01:54:52,660
of the show doing that.

3271
01:54:52,840 --> 01:54:54,700
See, I've switched now from four more years

3272
01:54:54,700 --> 01:54:56,260
to the last four years.

3273
01:54:56,620 --> 01:54:59,730
I'm preparing everybody for soft landing, soft landing,

3274
01:55:02,700 --> 01:55:03,880
time, talent and treasure.

3275
01:55:04,000 --> 01:55:05,380
You can do a number of things and

3276
01:55:05,380 --> 01:55:07,660
including hitting people in the mouth, letting them

3277
01:55:07,660 --> 01:55:08,640
know about the show.

3278
01:55:09,380 --> 01:55:11,800
Lots of like void zero, but many people.

3279
01:55:11,800 --> 01:55:13,720
Uh, and who were very thankful for, by

3280
01:55:13,720 --> 01:55:15,180
the way, and all we did, we did

3281
01:55:15,180 --> 01:55:17,220
have a note from one of our, uh,

3282
01:55:17,260 --> 01:55:20,400
artists or would be artists or an artist.

3283
01:55:20,420 --> 01:55:21,040
Do you have it?

3284
01:55:22,100 --> 01:55:23,320
Did you get this note too?

3285
01:55:23,380 --> 01:55:25,840
Does it really enjoy the discussion of the

3286
01:55:25,840 --> 01:55:26,100
art?

3287
01:55:26,220 --> 01:55:26,740
I have the note.

3288
01:55:27,160 --> 01:55:28,900
Oh, I would like you to read it.

3289
01:55:29,000 --> 01:55:30,740
Listening to no agenda, 1715.

3290
01:55:30,820 --> 01:55:32,860
You said someone complained about the art segment.

3291
01:55:33,040 --> 01:55:34,360
What a Philistine.

3292
01:55:35,480 --> 01:55:36,240
I vote.

3293
01:55:36,340 --> 01:55:36,560
Yes.

3294
01:55:36,560 --> 01:55:37,460
For the art segment.

3295
01:55:37,480 --> 01:55:39,200
It's almost worth the whole show.

3296
01:55:39,200 --> 01:55:41,640
I was following along in the art generator.

3297
01:55:41,840 --> 01:55:42,380
It wasn't ill.

3298
01:55:42,480 --> 01:55:44,100
I was an illustrator for many years, a

3299
01:55:44,100 --> 01:55:46,920
cartoonist, a professional in graphic arts, fine arts

3300
01:55:46,920 --> 01:55:47,260
major.

3301
01:55:47,460 --> 01:55:49,660
And I can say authoritatively that your cover

3302
01:55:49,660 --> 01:55:51,500
art community is really something.

3303
01:55:52,220 --> 01:55:53,660
It's hard to believe that you have such

3304
01:55:53,660 --> 01:55:56,560
an embarrassment of riches to choose from two

3305
01:55:56,560 --> 01:55:57,260
times a week.

3306
01:55:57,800 --> 01:56:00,380
I hope you appreciate it because it's astonishing

3307
01:56:00,380 --> 01:56:02,720
and you get it all without any cash

3308
01:56:02,720 --> 01:56:03,660
changing hands.

3309
01:56:03,860 --> 01:56:05,960
Keep up the good art segment says a

3310
01:56:05,960 --> 01:56:06,980
non Mark.

3311
01:56:07,260 --> 01:56:09,520
Well, no, it's, it's a, it's part of

3312
01:56:09,520 --> 01:56:10,720
our value for value model.

3313
01:56:10,900 --> 01:56:13,740
So, um, cash is good, but we like

3314
01:56:13,740 --> 01:56:15,040
time and talent as well.

3315
01:56:15,100 --> 01:56:16,460
So we're going to take a look at

3316
01:56:16,460 --> 01:56:16,960
the artwork.

3317
01:56:17,080 --> 01:56:17,560
First.

3318
01:56:17,640 --> 01:56:19,280
Thank the artist who brought us the artwork

3319
01:56:19,280 --> 01:56:21,640
for episode seven 15, which was scruples.

3320
01:56:22,380 --> 01:56:25,700
Um, yes, of course it was a Darren

3321
01:56:25,700 --> 01:56:29,440
O'Neill who did Darren O'Neill has

3322
01:56:29,440 --> 01:56:31,140
some amazing prompt skills.

3323
01:56:31,180 --> 01:56:33,680
I mean, we just have to recognize how

3324
01:56:33,680 --> 01:56:34,360
good it is.

3325
01:56:34,360 --> 01:56:37,300
And yet he comes so close to a

3326
01:56:37,300 --> 01:56:41,700
perfect 10 and somehow gets the wrong ear

3327
01:56:41,700 --> 01:56:43,540
for the bandaid on Trump's head.

3328
01:56:43,980 --> 01:56:44,820
It's astonishing.

3329
01:56:45,400 --> 01:56:46,540
It's astonishing.

3330
01:56:46,900 --> 01:56:48,460
And this is, he's done this before.

3331
01:56:48,540 --> 01:56:51,320
Hasn't he got the ear on the wrong

3332
01:56:51,320 --> 01:56:51,700
side?

3333
01:56:52,000 --> 01:56:52,240
Yeah.

3334
01:56:52,400 --> 01:56:54,900
Or I know we've rejected art before because,

3335
01:56:55,080 --> 01:56:56,840
but this was just so good because this

3336
01:56:56,840 --> 01:56:58,040
was the new TDS.

3337
01:56:58,360 --> 01:56:59,940
Um, the can was great.

3338
01:57:00,040 --> 01:57:02,660
It had this whole additional no agenda soda

3339
01:57:02,660 --> 01:57:04,820
company logo, which was gorgeous.

3340
01:57:05,520 --> 01:57:07,700
That really was good by itself would have

3341
01:57:07,700 --> 01:57:08,460
been just good.

3342
01:57:09,160 --> 01:57:10,340
And then he says so good.

3343
01:57:10,460 --> 01:57:11,100
It's insane.

3344
01:57:11,260 --> 01:57:13,140
I mean, it really, we had a lot

3345
01:57:13,140 --> 01:57:13,720
to choose from.

3346
01:57:13,780 --> 01:57:16,320
A lot of artists, um, went for this.

3347
01:57:17,020 --> 01:57:18,640
Um, and now I'm going through all the

3348
01:57:18,640 --> 01:57:20,620
turkeys to just scroll down to see what

3349
01:57:20,620 --> 01:57:22,300
else we were looking at for that episode.

3350
01:57:22,880 --> 01:57:25,680
Um, let's see.

3351
01:57:25,940 --> 01:57:28,420
Fred pound had kind of a classic.

3352
01:57:29,260 --> 01:57:31,580
Uh, it also had TDS classic, you know,

3353
01:57:31,640 --> 01:57:34,740
um, we liked the one that had both,

3354
01:57:35,800 --> 01:57:37,380
which was also Darren.

3355
01:57:38,740 --> 01:57:41,600
We had the classic T instead of saying

3356
01:57:41,600 --> 01:57:44,240
TDS classic, he had classic TDS and the

3357
01:57:44,240 --> 01:57:46,280
new TDS, two cans next to each other.

3358
01:57:46,740 --> 01:57:49,340
And with Trump, one without the bandaid and

3359
01:57:49,340 --> 01:57:50,700
one with, I just don't see why he

3360
01:57:50,700 --> 01:57:52,180
didn't put it on the correct ear.

3361
01:57:52,260 --> 01:57:53,560
It was very, that was true.

3362
01:57:53,860 --> 01:57:55,620
It's not him.

3363
01:57:56,500 --> 01:57:57,660
Oh, it's the AI.

3364
01:57:57,920 --> 01:57:58,160
Yeah.

3365
01:57:58,460 --> 01:57:59,560
How dumb is the AI?

3366
01:58:00,680 --> 01:58:02,920
Um, clip custodian had an, we thought it

3367
01:58:02,920 --> 01:58:03,480
was nice.

3368
01:58:03,580 --> 01:58:06,000
He had the, the TDS soda, but again,

3369
01:58:06,560 --> 01:58:08,640
the classic should have been under the TDS

3370
01:58:08,640 --> 01:58:09,820
and not above it.

3371
01:58:11,320 --> 01:58:13,260
Um, was there anything else?

3372
01:58:13,500 --> 01:58:13,920
Wow.

3373
01:58:13,960 --> 01:58:15,360
I'm scrolling off the page here.

3374
01:58:15,580 --> 01:58:18,940
That was more, um, max buffer.

3375
01:58:19,220 --> 01:58:19,640
Okay.

3376
01:58:20,000 --> 01:58:22,260
There was a number of decent pieces that

3377
01:58:22,260 --> 01:58:25,080
we could have chosen other things, except for

3378
01:58:25,080 --> 01:58:26,760
the fact that the Darren O'Neill piece

3379
01:58:26,760 --> 01:58:27,960
was so outstanding.

3380
01:58:28,040 --> 01:58:29,100
Yeah, it really was.

3381
01:58:29,100 --> 01:58:30,240
And I think it was also the no

3382
01:58:30,240 --> 01:58:34,480
agenda soda company that really that really, and

3383
01:58:34,480 --> 01:58:38,680
again, concept, it was concept execution happened to

3384
01:58:38,680 --> 01:58:41,540
be good, except for that one flaw concept

3385
01:58:41,540 --> 01:58:42,460
was just good.

3386
01:58:43,460 --> 01:58:46,000
Uh, and the other thing is the originality

3387
01:58:46,000 --> 01:58:47,940
of the can, as opposed to looking like

3388
01:58:47,940 --> 01:58:50,720
a Coca-Cola can with the Coca-Cola

3389
01:58:50,720 --> 01:58:51,140
colors.

3390
01:58:51,400 --> 01:58:52,720
I think, yeah, that was important.

3391
01:58:53,020 --> 01:58:55,060
I don't know if it was important, but

3392
01:58:55,060 --> 01:58:55,900
it did work.

3393
01:58:55,920 --> 01:58:56,380
Yeah.

3394
01:58:56,380 --> 01:58:59,400
Because Nessworks did a TDS and Ness, I

3395
01:58:59,400 --> 01:59:00,580
don't think that was AI.

3396
01:59:00,800 --> 01:59:01,460
It was a mess.

3397
01:59:03,020 --> 01:59:05,200
And it was just, you see the curry,

3398
01:59:05,420 --> 01:59:07,260
it just had just too much going on.

3399
01:59:08,100 --> 01:59:10,380
He had too much, too much happening in

3400
01:59:10,380 --> 01:59:10,700
it.

3401
01:59:11,080 --> 01:59:13,340
Uh, but this looked like a very classic

3402
01:59:13,340 --> 01:59:15,020
energy drink.

3403
01:59:15,020 --> 01:59:16,700
Like it was a new energy drink.

3404
01:59:16,780 --> 01:59:18,020
He just couldn't get past it.

3405
01:59:18,060 --> 01:59:18,740
It was that good.

3406
01:59:19,160 --> 01:59:20,440
And if you're good, you're good.

3407
01:59:20,540 --> 01:59:22,460
I mean, Darren has figured that out.

3408
01:59:24,370 --> 01:59:27,030
He's going to be producing tons of stuff

3409
01:59:27,030 --> 01:59:29,270
for today's show, and then he won't get

3410
01:59:29,270 --> 01:59:30,590
anything picked.

3411
01:59:31,670 --> 01:59:33,450
Again, it's, it's more of the conceit.

3412
01:59:34,010 --> 01:59:35,690
by the way, Turkey, Thanksgiving theme.

3413
01:59:35,770 --> 01:59:36,810
This is going to be, it's got to

3414
01:59:36,810 --> 01:59:37,910
be a Thanksgiving theme.

3415
01:59:37,910 --> 01:59:38,750
We're not going to pick it.

3416
01:59:38,810 --> 01:59:40,330
I can tell you right now in advance.

3417
01:59:40,470 --> 01:59:41,710
We are traditionalists that way.

3418
01:59:41,830 --> 01:59:43,170
We are just traditionalists.

3419
01:59:43,450 --> 01:59:44,430
So thank you, Darren.

3420
01:59:44,470 --> 01:59:45,910
And of course, thank you to all of

3421
01:59:45,910 --> 01:59:47,950
the artists, whether you do it original.

3422
01:59:48,110 --> 01:59:49,270
I can see the farmer's wife.

3423
01:59:50,530 --> 01:59:52,250
The farmer's wife has already put one of

3424
01:59:52,250 --> 01:59:53,350
her kids pieces up.

3425
01:59:56,570 --> 01:59:58,490
It's, it's definitely in the running.

3426
01:59:59,230 --> 02:00:00,630
Do you see it?

3427
02:00:00,650 --> 02:00:01,410
Up at the top?

3428
02:00:01,890 --> 02:00:02,410
Up at the top.

3429
02:00:03,730 --> 02:00:05,510
Yeah, that's pretty good.

3430
02:00:06,630 --> 02:00:08,770
She has, she puts her kids to work

3431
02:00:08,770 --> 02:00:09,290
like kids.

3432
02:00:09,390 --> 02:00:11,170
We're not doing AI here.

3433
02:00:11,490 --> 02:00:12,630
She's homeschooling him.

3434
02:00:12,690 --> 02:00:14,950
Like you draw a Turkey for these turkeys.

3435
02:00:17,290 --> 02:00:18,150
I love it.

3436
02:00:18,150 --> 02:00:19,710
I love the kerning on no agenda.

3437
02:00:19,890 --> 02:00:20,590
It's a whole thing.

3438
02:00:21,050 --> 02:00:21,150
It's awesome.

3439
02:00:21,670 --> 02:00:22,230
It's awesome.

3440
02:00:25,750 --> 02:00:26,630
It's fabulous.

3441
02:00:26,970 --> 02:00:28,090
Thank you all very much.

3442
02:00:28,170 --> 02:00:28,510
No agenda.

3443
02:00:28,650 --> 02:00:29,650
Art generator.com.

3444
02:00:29,810 --> 02:00:30,370
Follow along.

3445
02:00:30,590 --> 02:00:32,290
And in the modern podcast app, we have

3446
02:00:32,290 --> 02:00:32,790
chapters.

3447
02:00:32,930 --> 02:00:33,450
Dreb Scott.

3448
02:00:33,650 --> 02:00:35,410
Thank you, brother for doing that so diligently

3449
02:00:35,410 --> 02:00:36,010
for us.

3450
02:00:36,290 --> 02:00:38,690
And he takes these images, uses many, if

3451
02:00:38,690 --> 02:00:40,910
not all of them often to put those

3452
02:00:40,910 --> 02:00:41,730
into the chapter.

3453
02:00:41,790 --> 02:00:43,650
So everybody gets a shake at the stick.

3454
02:00:43,810 --> 02:00:45,950
Now let us thank the executive and associate

3455
02:00:45,950 --> 02:00:49,370
executive producer for episode 700, 1,716.

3456
02:00:50,890 --> 02:00:52,210
We appreciate anybody.

3457
02:00:52,210 --> 02:00:55,410
Who sends us any amount, particularly those sustaining

3458
02:00:55,410 --> 02:00:57,850
donations, which are any amount, any frequency you

3459
02:00:57,850 --> 02:00:59,650
set it up yourself at no agenda donations

3460
02:00:59,650 --> 02:01:00,170
.com.

3461
02:01:00,890 --> 02:01:03,210
We will thank everybody with the amount above

3462
02:01:03,210 --> 02:01:03,590
$50.

3463
02:01:03,990 --> 02:01:05,690
And we like to always stop and give

3464
02:01:05,690 --> 02:01:07,830
a special thanks to our executive and associate

3465
02:01:07,830 --> 02:01:08,810
executive producers.

3466
02:01:08,850 --> 02:01:09,630
Here's how it works.

3467
02:01:09,990 --> 02:01:12,310
Associate executive producer, which is a real title.

3468
02:01:12,430 --> 02:01:13,590
It's a show business credit.

3469
02:01:13,650 --> 02:01:15,430
You can use it anywhere they are accepted,

3470
02:01:15,570 --> 02:01:17,690
including imdb.com.

3471
02:01:18,290 --> 02:01:20,350
We will read your note and you get

3472
02:01:20,350 --> 02:01:22,930
that, that credit and that, that title as

3473
02:01:22,930 --> 02:01:25,710
associate executive producer, $300 and above you become

3474
02:01:25,710 --> 02:01:26,530
an executive producer.

3475
02:01:26,590 --> 02:01:27,990
And we also read your notes.

3476
02:01:28,030 --> 02:01:29,610
So I'll kick it off with sir.

3477
02:01:29,610 --> 02:01:32,430
Dan, the man who comes in from Cape

3478
02:01:32,430 --> 02:01:36,110
Coral, Florida with 1473 62.

3479
02:01:37,030 --> 02:01:39,530
I don't know the significance of the number

3480
02:01:39,530 --> 02:01:42,230
other than it must be with PayPal fees.

3481
02:01:42,230 --> 02:01:44,830
I'm guessing, or maybe not.

3482
02:01:44,970 --> 02:01:45,810
We don't know.

3483
02:01:45,830 --> 02:01:47,090
He does not allude to it in the

3484
02:01:47,090 --> 02:01:47,270
note.

3485
02:01:47,330 --> 02:01:48,870
He says, you'd have to go look.

3486
02:01:49,090 --> 02:01:50,110
He says, good evening.

3487
02:01:50,290 --> 02:01:52,350
Good evening, Adam and John and Adam.

3488
02:01:52,470 --> 02:01:52,830
Good evening.

3489
02:01:53,030 --> 02:01:53,910
Good evening to you, sir.

3490
02:01:54,190 --> 02:01:54,950
I'm buying.

3491
02:01:55,030 --> 02:01:57,550
Oh, I'm buying my doctorate and completing my

3492
02:01:57,550 --> 02:01:58,110
earldom.

3493
02:01:58,450 --> 02:01:58,870
There you go.

3494
02:01:58,930 --> 02:01:59,870
Please dub me, sir.

3495
02:01:59,930 --> 02:02:02,810
Dan, the man Earl of Southwest Florida, happy

3496
02:02:02,810 --> 02:02:04,330
Thanksgiving to you and your families.

3497
02:02:04,350 --> 02:02:06,430
It's been a pleasure listening to you, especially

3498
02:02:06,430 --> 02:02:08,390
over the last few months with the run

3499
02:02:08,390 --> 02:02:10,210
-up and post election commentary.

3500
02:02:10,410 --> 02:02:13,610
P.S. John, your vasectomy opinion is just

3501
02:02:13,610 --> 02:02:14,310
BS.

3502
02:02:14,830 --> 02:02:17,130
Every time you mention it, it's just cringe

3503
02:02:17,130 --> 02:02:17,490
worthy.

3504
02:02:18,290 --> 02:02:19,610
I guess he's a victim.

3505
02:02:20,330 --> 02:02:20,710
Love.

3506
02:02:20,770 --> 02:02:21,270
You mean it.

3507
02:02:22,630 --> 02:02:24,430
Thanks to the best, to the best podcast

3508
02:02:24,430 --> 02:02:26,990
in the universe and no agenda nation from

3509
02:02:26,990 --> 02:02:28,370
sir, Dan, the man.

3510
02:02:28,530 --> 02:02:28,710
Thank you.

3511
02:02:28,770 --> 02:02:30,410
I haven't mentioned it for, I don't know,

3512
02:02:30,510 --> 02:02:31,230
six months.

3513
02:02:32,450 --> 02:02:34,550
I think he's, I think he's hurt by

3514
02:02:34,550 --> 02:02:38,230
it, but I, but now that you brought

3515
02:02:38,230 --> 02:02:39,910
it back up, there has been a few

3516
02:02:39,910 --> 02:02:42,970
politicians and others that have shown come forth.

3517
02:02:44,050 --> 02:02:45,850
That you look at him, you go there.

3518
02:02:45,910 --> 02:02:46,110
Yep.

3519
02:02:46,110 --> 02:02:46,730
There you go.

3520
02:02:47,810 --> 02:02:48,210
Yep.

3521
02:02:48,550 --> 02:02:50,170
Would you want to mention any so we

3522
02:02:50,170 --> 02:02:50,390
can.

3523
02:02:50,990 --> 02:02:52,250
I have to think of that.

3524
02:02:52,530 --> 02:02:53,610
I can't remember his last name.

3525
02:02:53,630 --> 02:02:55,630
I think it's Goldman, Dan Goldman or something

3526
02:02:55,630 --> 02:02:57,970
is, is a, he's one of the congressmen

3527
02:02:57,970 --> 02:03:00,170
from New York and he's, you look at

3528
02:03:00,170 --> 02:03:02,430
him and it's like, okay, there's one.

3529
02:03:02,690 --> 02:03:04,150
And I'm trying to think of some other

3530
02:03:04,150 --> 02:03:05,810
ones that have been popping up.

3531
02:03:05,830 --> 02:03:07,310
I just haven't been thinking about it.

3532
02:03:08,450 --> 02:03:09,730
I'm pretty sure Schumer.

3533
02:03:11,230 --> 02:03:12,430
You could be wrong about him.

3534
02:03:12,670 --> 02:03:12,850
Yeah.

3535
02:03:13,010 --> 02:03:13,250
Okay.

3536
02:03:13,390 --> 02:03:16,830
Louie Kellogg is up a Lewis Kellogg from

3537
02:03:16,830 --> 02:03:20,590
parts unknown, $1,030 and 26 cents.

3538
02:03:21,210 --> 02:03:22,390
Oh, and by the way, for people don't

3539
02:03:22,390 --> 02:03:24,310
know what I'm talking about, but the vasectomy,

3540
02:03:24,910 --> 02:03:29,070
the vasectomies were used, were invented for two

3541
02:03:29,070 --> 02:03:29,470
purposes.

3542
02:03:29,870 --> 02:03:33,530
First, they were invented as a workaround for

3543
02:03:33,530 --> 02:03:37,970
a castration of criminals who were sex offenders,

3544
02:03:38,570 --> 02:03:40,590
which is part of the original invention.

3545
02:03:40,590 --> 02:03:42,870
And then it turned out that they had

3546
02:03:42,870 --> 02:03:44,590
a, they would develop a certain look.

3547
02:03:44,670 --> 02:03:46,970
And so it was used as a, a

3548
02:03:46,970 --> 02:03:48,170
methodology to keep people.

3549
02:03:48,290 --> 02:03:49,650
It was considered a youth cure.

3550
02:03:50,510 --> 02:03:52,910
You could, you'd get a vasectomy and you'd

3551
02:03:52,910 --> 02:03:54,790
look younger over time.

3552
02:03:54,790 --> 02:03:57,590
It would change your appearance just enough to

3553
02:03:57,590 --> 02:03:58,930
make you look like you're not as old

3554
02:03:58,930 --> 02:04:01,950
as you were, but that parents always, to

3555
02:04:01,950 --> 02:04:04,430
me, turns you into looking like an old

3556
02:04:04,430 --> 02:04:04,990
lesbian.

3557
02:04:06,310 --> 02:04:07,890
So that was my thesis.

3558
02:04:08,290 --> 02:04:08,730
Yes.

3559
02:04:08,730 --> 02:04:10,050
And you're sticking to it.

3560
02:04:10,790 --> 02:04:13,930
And we would point out people over the

3561
02:04:13,930 --> 02:04:16,070
years that had this look as a certain

3562
02:04:16,070 --> 02:04:16,790
look you get.

3563
02:04:18,690 --> 02:04:21,070
And we'd call them vasectomy victims.

3564
02:04:21,290 --> 02:04:24,430
And I guess, I guess Sir Dan, the

3565
02:04:24,430 --> 02:04:27,470
man is likely suffering from this.

3566
02:04:27,590 --> 02:04:28,790
I'm guessing I, maybe not.

3567
02:04:28,910 --> 02:04:29,990
Maybe you could be wrong.

3568
02:04:30,090 --> 02:04:30,650
You could be wrong.

3569
02:04:30,710 --> 02:04:32,170
I could be totally wrong about this.

3570
02:04:32,190 --> 02:04:34,550
And he's just doesn't like talking about it.

3571
02:04:34,570 --> 02:04:36,450
But some reason I will say the Earl

3572
02:04:36,450 --> 02:04:38,650
of Southwest Florida looks pretty young and healthy

3573
02:04:38,650 --> 02:04:39,010
to me.

3574
02:04:42,050 --> 02:04:44,810
So Louie Kellogg came in with 10 30

3575
02:04:44,810 --> 02:04:45,950
26.

3576
02:04:46,150 --> 02:04:47,510
And he'd say, I'd like to be known

3577
02:04:47,510 --> 02:04:48,690
as Lord Lubro.

3578
02:04:49,390 --> 02:04:50,770
Please de-douche me.

3579
02:04:52,450 --> 02:04:54,210
You've been de-douched.

3580
02:04:55,150 --> 02:04:56,610
So I guess it's going to be nighted

3581
02:04:56,610 --> 02:04:56,830
today.

3582
02:04:56,890 --> 02:04:59,530
This is my first contribution, contribution to the

3583
02:04:59,530 --> 02:04:59,910
show.

3584
02:05:00,790 --> 02:05:03,870
Uh, we, uh, it's a show course.

3585
02:05:04,010 --> 02:05:08,050
We need mead, mead at the table.

3586
02:05:08,190 --> 02:05:10,550
Anyway, we need, it says mead and I,

3587
02:05:10,710 --> 02:05:11,870
and, and I don't know what that means.

3588
02:05:11,990 --> 02:05:13,610
He needs meat at the table.

3589
02:05:13,710 --> 02:05:14,450
He just wants me.

3590
02:05:14,550 --> 02:05:15,790
You got it.

3591
02:05:15,830 --> 02:05:16,330
You got it.

3592
02:05:16,750 --> 02:05:17,570
Well, thank you, Lewis.

3593
02:05:17,730 --> 02:05:19,790
First time contributing straight to knighthood.

3594
02:05:19,870 --> 02:05:20,310
Beautiful.

3595
02:05:21,790 --> 02:05:23,350
Dame lady, get over it.

3596
02:05:23,430 --> 02:05:25,150
1,030 and 26.

3597
02:05:25,450 --> 02:05:27,870
So that is, uh, she has collecting all

3598
02:05:27,870 --> 02:05:30,230
the credential I can before my exit strategy.

3599
02:05:30,610 --> 02:05:33,230
Does that mean she is getting a, uh,

3600
02:05:33,290 --> 02:05:34,350
a doctor of education?

3601
02:05:34,450 --> 02:05:35,170
I would guess so.

3602
02:05:36,370 --> 02:05:38,370
Um, I might have used up the last

3603
02:05:38,370 --> 02:05:38,810
jobs.

3604
02:05:38,810 --> 02:05:39,190
Karma.

3605
02:05:39,370 --> 02:05:41,110
You gave me on a small win at

3606
02:05:41,110 --> 02:05:41,410
work.

3607
02:05:41,510 --> 02:05:43,590
May I please have a Trump jobs, karma

3608
02:05:43,590 --> 02:05:46,550
for the super secret squirrel 4d chess.

3609
02:05:46,810 --> 02:05:48,270
I still have in the works.

3610
02:05:48,630 --> 02:05:49,190
Why?

3611
02:05:49,290 --> 02:05:50,070
Yes, of course.

3612
02:05:50,430 --> 02:05:52,350
P.S. PhDs were offered when I was

3613
02:05:52,350 --> 02:05:54,050
on unpaid maternity leave.

3614
02:05:54,350 --> 02:05:56,510
If that was offered again, I would enroll.

3615
02:05:56,990 --> 02:05:57,510
Love is lit.

3616
02:05:57,850 --> 02:05:59,910
Says Dame lady, get over it.

3617
02:06:00,230 --> 02:06:02,650
Jobs, jobs, job.

3618
02:06:04,350 --> 02:06:06,030
You've got karma.

3619
02:06:07,770 --> 02:06:09,510
And you've got this one too.

3620
02:06:09,730 --> 02:06:10,430
I do.

3621
02:06:10,670 --> 02:06:10,970
Okay.

3622
02:06:11,230 --> 02:06:11,410
Yeah.

3623
02:06:11,510 --> 02:06:12,610
Captain chem trail.

3624
02:06:13,850 --> 02:06:15,090
Uh, okay.

3625
02:06:15,090 --> 02:06:17,230
So I have some jingles already that he

3626
02:06:17,230 --> 02:06:18,290
needs me to put up here.

3627
02:06:18,290 --> 02:06:19,610
So make sure I get these.

3628
02:06:20,530 --> 02:06:22,050
Um, I've been an avid list.

3629
02:06:22,110 --> 02:06:24,030
This is six 2164.

3630
02:06:24,430 --> 02:06:26,210
I've been an avid listener of no agenda

3631
02:06:26,210 --> 02:06:28,610
since show 1348 in may 2021.

3632
02:06:28,890 --> 02:06:30,690
My brother turned me onto no agenda show.

3633
02:06:30,730 --> 02:06:32,670
Well, I was searching for a replacement for

3634
02:06:32,670 --> 02:06:33,910
the rush limbaugh show.

3635
02:06:33,910 --> 02:06:34,990
Thank you.

3636
02:06:34,990 --> 02:06:36,550
Well, that's quite honorable.

3637
02:06:37,150 --> 02:06:38,770
Thank you for providing Gitmo nation and me

3638
02:06:38,770 --> 02:06:40,730
relief from the bias babble of the M

3639
02:06:40,730 --> 02:06:43,090
five M your show provides me laughter, sanity,

3640
02:06:43,150 --> 02:06:45,450
and relief from the relentless M five M

3641
02:06:45,450 --> 02:06:46,150
propaganda.

3642
02:06:46,790 --> 02:06:48,570
However, I have been a freeloader.

3643
02:06:49,090 --> 02:06:51,110
I have benefited from the show, but did

3644
02:06:51,110 --> 02:06:51,790
not support it.

3645
02:06:51,850 --> 02:06:53,150
This ends now, please.

3646
02:06:53,250 --> 02:06:53,730
D douche.

3647
02:06:55,470 --> 02:06:57,190
You've been D douche.

3648
02:06:58,910 --> 02:07:01,150
I am a captain with a very large

3649
02:07:01,150 --> 02:07:04,570
us airline based in a large metropolitan area

3650
02:07:04,570 --> 02:07:05,790
along the east coast.

3651
02:07:06,310 --> 02:07:08,730
Fellow citizens of Gitmo will know they're flying

3652
02:07:08,730 --> 02:07:10,670
with me when they hear my subtle yet

3653
02:07:10,670 --> 02:07:14,370
obvious ITMs.  Thank you for your courages, FEMA

3654
02:07:14,370 --> 02:07:17,910
region notifications and 30 threes during my announcements,

3655
02:07:18,390 --> 02:07:20,690
please stop by the cockpit and say, hi,

3656
02:07:21,210 --> 02:07:22,290
I love that.

3657
02:07:22,590 --> 02:07:22,790
Yes.

3658
02:07:22,890 --> 02:07:23,830
Start by the cockpit.

3659
02:07:24,030 --> 02:07:25,830
And yeah, because these captains usually stand in

3660
02:07:25,830 --> 02:07:26,450
there as you're leaving.

3661
02:07:26,450 --> 02:07:27,550
You say ITM.

3662
02:07:27,710 --> 02:07:28,570
Yeah, exactly.

3663
02:07:28,670 --> 02:07:29,990
And then maybe you get like a special

3664
02:07:29,990 --> 02:07:31,190
tour of the cockpit or something.

3665
02:07:31,310 --> 02:07:31,830
You never know.

3666
02:07:31,830 --> 02:07:33,450
You might, you might hook a brother up.

3667
02:07:33,970 --> 02:07:36,270
I request massive amounts of no agenda, health

3668
02:07:36,270 --> 02:07:37,610
karma for my beautiful wife.

3669
02:07:37,670 --> 02:07:39,550
She has been suffering from stage four kidney

3670
02:07:39,550 --> 02:07:41,050
cancer for the last two years.

3671
02:07:41,230 --> 02:07:43,090
She lost a kidney and the cancer has

3672
02:07:43,090 --> 02:07:45,690
been kicking her, but the treatments have slowed,

3673
02:07:45,770 --> 02:07:46,870
but not stopped the spread.

3674
02:07:46,930 --> 02:07:48,750
Please send her cosmic healing karma.

3675
02:07:48,890 --> 02:07:49,630
She needs it.

3676
02:07:50,070 --> 02:07:52,090
Well, of course I will pray for her.

3677
02:07:52,150 --> 02:07:54,970
And he requests chemtrails, rubble, lies, or F

3678
02:07:54,970 --> 02:07:55,430
cancer.

3679
02:07:55,770 --> 02:07:58,510
Here's the four more years of awesome M

3680
02:07:58,510 --> 02:07:59,670
five M deconstruction.

3681
02:07:59,670 --> 02:08:03,110
And to keeping us sane, captain chemtrail, chemtrail

3682
02:08:03,110 --> 02:08:07,010
of CVG, AKA Hannibal of Hebron.

3683
02:08:10,030 --> 02:08:30,070
Sir, sir.

3684
02:08:30,130 --> 02:08:34,610
Tyler in Alaska, Alaska, Alaska.

3685
02:08:35,990 --> 02:08:36,510
Yes.

3686
02:08:36,630 --> 02:08:37,150
AK Alaska.

3687
02:08:37,730 --> 02:08:39,970
Uh, keep up the great work and supporting

3688
02:08:39,970 --> 02:08:42,810
your media deconstruction at three, three, three is

3689
02:08:42,810 --> 02:08:44,670
all Tyler systems.com.

3690
02:08:44,750 --> 02:08:47,950
Tyler systems.com can afford right now, but

3691
02:08:47,950 --> 02:08:50,190
we're working on it with the abundance of

3692
02:08:50,190 --> 02:08:51,570
opportunity and AI.

3693
02:08:52,090 --> 02:08:54,930
Is it possible to build a software company

3694
02:08:54,930 --> 02:08:56,410
with the value for value model?

3695
02:08:58,250 --> 02:08:59,150
I don't know.

3696
02:08:59,270 --> 02:08:59,930
I don't know.

3697
02:08:59,990 --> 02:09:01,590
And he says, I don't know, but I'll

3698
02:09:01,590 --> 02:09:04,010
keep you and fellow producers posted.

3699
02:09:04,230 --> 02:09:05,170
So he's going to try to do it.

3700
02:09:05,170 --> 02:09:06,590
It's called shareware.

3701
02:09:08,710 --> 02:09:09,190
Don't you?

3702
02:09:09,330 --> 02:09:09,430
Yeah.

3703
02:09:09,770 --> 02:09:10,130
Shareware.

3704
02:09:10,590 --> 02:09:10,950
Shareware.

3705
02:09:11,170 --> 02:09:12,050
I've heard of that.

3706
02:09:12,150 --> 02:09:12,310
Yeah.

3707
02:09:12,550 --> 02:09:12,910
Shareware.

3708
02:09:13,030 --> 02:09:14,490
You know, it used to originally be called

3709
02:09:14,490 --> 02:09:15,150
freeware.

3710
02:09:15,770 --> 02:09:17,130
No, but then it became shareware.

3711
02:09:17,390 --> 02:09:18,870
My software is shareware.

3712
02:09:19,470 --> 02:09:21,350
Now it's a, no, I, I think you

3713
02:09:21,350 --> 02:09:23,070
can make a lot of money with shareware.

3714
02:09:23,190 --> 02:09:25,790
If you've got something that that's good, everybody

3715
02:09:25,790 --> 02:09:28,310
gets, I mean, if you, it's again, a

3716
02:09:28,310 --> 02:09:30,250
percentage of the total, but you can get

3717
02:09:30,250 --> 02:09:31,470
a lot of money if you have a

3718
02:09:31,470 --> 02:09:32,570
super popular product.

3719
02:09:32,810 --> 02:09:35,910
I support a software that asks for donations

3720
02:09:35,910 --> 02:09:36,800
all the time.

3721
02:09:38,050 --> 02:09:42,090
I turned down my opportunity for Y Combinator

3722
02:09:42,090 --> 02:09:45,530
this spring to chase exciting things going on

3723
02:09:45,530 --> 02:09:46,150
in Alaska.

3724
02:09:46,570 --> 02:09:48,990
Better to invest in one's community and build

3725
02:09:48,990 --> 02:09:51,950
what you want and want to live in

3726
02:09:51,950 --> 02:09:55,530
rather than be whisked away to their groupthink

3727
02:09:55,530 --> 02:09:58,950
reeducation sorting center in Sunnyvale.

3728
02:09:58,950 --> 02:10:01,150
Yeah, that sounds about right.

3729
02:10:01,290 --> 02:10:02,970
Or, I'm sorry, incubator.

3730
02:10:03,010 --> 02:10:03,530
There you go.

3731
02:10:04,710 --> 02:10:07,530
I still, oh, can an email, but it's

3732
02:10:07,530 --> 02:10:07,810
coming.

3733
02:10:08,070 --> 02:10:09,450
Thank you for getting more nation.

3734
02:10:09,750 --> 02:10:13,910
Tyler systems.com outsourcing problems and insourcing solutions.

3735
02:10:14,030 --> 02:10:15,210
Best sir.

3736
02:10:15,270 --> 02:10:16,410
Tyler in Alaska.

3737
02:10:16,590 --> 02:10:17,550
Go check it out.

3738
02:10:17,570 --> 02:10:18,250
Whatever that is.

3739
02:10:18,270 --> 02:10:18,930
Tyler system.

3740
02:10:19,030 --> 02:10:20,130
T Y L E R systems.

3741
02:10:21,410 --> 02:10:25,590
Aaron, Aaron, boy or quest boy or cares?

3742
02:10:25,670 --> 02:10:26,510
How would you pronounce that?

3743
02:10:26,510 --> 02:10:27,550
Bojo cares.

3744
02:10:27,990 --> 02:10:29,890
B O J O R Q U E

3745
02:10:29,890 --> 02:10:31,130
Z Boyer cares.

3746
02:10:32,210 --> 02:10:33,970
I think it's a size B boy.

3747
02:10:34,050 --> 02:10:35,030
I think it's Boyer kids.

3748
02:10:35,150 --> 02:10:35,650
Boyer kids.

3749
02:10:35,730 --> 02:10:36,210
He's in mission.

3750
02:10:36,650 --> 02:10:36,790
I'm guessing.

3751
02:10:36,950 --> 02:10:38,230
I mean, I don't have to be wrong.

3752
02:10:38,350 --> 02:10:39,970
He's in Mission Viejo, California.

3753
02:10:40,110 --> 02:10:41,650
No note for three hundred and thirty three

3754
02:10:41,650 --> 02:10:42,150
donations.

3755
02:10:42,310 --> 02:10:43,950
So instead, he gets a double up karma.

3756
02:10:44,070 --> 02:10:47,390
You've got karma.

3757
02:10:49,710 --> 02:10:53,670
Jeff Botten in Greensboro, North Carolina, three, three,

3758
02:10:53,670 --> 02:10:54,590
three dot three, three.

3759
02:10:54,910 --> 02:10:56,490
Thank you for your courage, John and Adam.

3760
02:10:56,610 --> 02:10:59,310
Happy Thanksgiving from Jovial Jeff in Greensboro, North

3761
02:10:59,310 --> 02:10:59,710
Carolina.

3762
02:10:59,810 --> 02:11:00,690
On my way to knighthood.

3763
02:11:01,170 --> 02:11:04,310
Kindly accept my second executive producer donation for

3764
02:11:04,310 --> 02:11:05,350
1716.

3765
02:11:06,070 --> 02:11:08,610
My at a glance kitchen calendar informs me

3766
02:11:08,610 --> 02:11:10,170
that this is more than just a Thanksgiving

3767
02:11:10,170 --> 02:11:10,950
day episode.

3768
02:11:11,290 --> 02:11:14,030
This is also magic number day episode.

3769
02:11:14,490 --> 02:11:17,430
No, this episode airs on November 28th, 2024,

3770
02:11:17,650 --> 02:11:20,910
the 33rd, 333rd day of the year.

3771
02:11:21,450 --> 02:11:21,890
What?

3772
02:11:22,670 --> 02:11:23,170
Yeah.

3773
02:11:23,170 --> 02:11:28,270
What a squandered opportunity with 33 more days

3774
02:11:28,270 --> 02:11:28,670
to go.

3775
02:11:28,770 --> 02:11:29,550
Can you believe it?

3776
02:11:30,350 --> 02:11:32,810
Keep watch for my magical three, three, three

3777
02:11:32,810 --> 02:11:35,730
dot three, three donation via PayPal, a leap

3778
02:11:35,730 --> 02:11:38,370
year exclusive magic number day donation.

3779
02:11:39,030 --> 02:11:39,330
Wow.

3780
02:11:39,350 --> 02:11:40,410
Yeah, it doesn't happen that often.

3781
02:11:40,610 --> 02:11:43,310
No jingle, please.

3782
02:11:43,570 --> 02:11:44,090
33.

3783
02:11:44,510 --> 02:11:45,910
It's the magic number.

3784
02:11:46,010 --> 02:11:48,330
May you both never need an exit strategy.

3785
02:11:48,410 --> 02:11:49,630
All the best, Jeff.

3786
02:11:49,630 --> 02:11:50,390
33.

3787
02:11:51,450 --> 02:11:52,950
That's the magic number.

3788
02:11:55,050 --> 02:11:56,990
It's the magic number.

3789
02:11:57,690 --> 02:11:59,570
There you go.

3790
02:11:59,670 --> 02:12:00,670
I would say if people that want to

3791
02:12:00,670 --> 02:12:02,950
get on this good, go to the no

3792
02:12:02,950 --> 02:12:05,510
agenda donations.com right now and, and donate

3793
02:12:05,510 --> 02:12:07,350
three, three, three.

3794
02:12:07,770 --> 02:12:09,370
Well, there's, you could, yes.

3795
02:12:09,490 --> 02:12:11,310
And we'll still credit you with that magic

3796
02:12:11,310 --> 02:12:12,150
number donation.

3797
02:12:12,950 --> 02:12:15,330
Yeah, I think something like the next show.

3798
02:12:15,610 --> 02:12:15,850
Yeah.

3799
02:12:15,970 --> 02:12:16,190
Yeah.

3800
02:12:16,190 --> 02:12:16,990
We'll do it for sure.

3801
02:12:17,770 --> 02:12:21,390
We move on to Sean Simmons in Stanford,

3802
02:12:21,570 --> 02:12:24,490
Virginia, three 33 dot 33.

3803
02:12:25,170 --> 02:12:27,810
And he says, John C.

3804
02:12:27,910 --> 02:12:30,870
Adam 33, Robilizer, Trump come and Dean scream.

3805
02:12:31,150 --> 02:12:32,330
Thanks for working the holiday.

3806
02:12:32,470 --> 02:12:34,070
I make triple time work in the holiday.

3807
02:12:34,110 --> 02:12:35,450
So you should as well.

3808
02:12:35,730 --> 02:12:37,190
I also owe you for working on the

3809
02:12:37,190 --> 02:12:37,850
4th of July.

3810
02:12:38,030 --> 02:12:38,830
That is included.

3811
02:12:39,390 --> 02:12:42,510
So he wants Robilizer, Trump come and Dean

3812
02:12:42,510 --> 02:12:42,870
scream.

3813
02:12:45,590 --> 02:12:50,090
Stand by 33, 33, 33.

3814
02:12:51,370 --> 02:12:52,370
Robilizer out.

3815
02:12:52,530 --> 02:12:53,290
I'm going to come.

3816
02:12:59,790 --> 02:13:02,230
Matthew Ross and Indian trail, North Carolina, three,

3817
02:13:02,350 --> 02:13:02,810
three, three.

3818
02:13:03,410 --> 02:13:06,090
Please look at the link for message clip

3819
02:13:06,090 --> 02:13:08,990
of the day.com slash family slash PayPal.

3820
02:13:09,350 --> 02:13:10,150
Blah, blah, blah.

3821
02:13:10,150 --> 02:13:10,470
Okay.

3822
02:13:10,730 --> 02:13:15,050
Adam Curry and John's John C.

3823
02:13:15,530 --> 02:13:15,930
Dvorak.

3824
02:13:16,290 --> 02:13:16,830
I don't know what.

3825
02:13:17,010 --> 02:13:17,310
Okay.

3826
02:13:17,470 --> 02:13:18,850
So did you get something from him?

3827
02:13:18,910 --> 02:13:19,030
Yeah.

3828
02:13:19,110 --> 02:13:21,070
So he has clip of the day.com

3829
02:13:21,070 --> 02:13:25,090
and he sent a very breathy three and

3830
02:13:25,090 --> 02:13:29,350
a half minute audio message talking about what

3831
02:13:29,350 --> 02:13:30,570
he's going to do with clip of the

3832
02:13:30,570 --> 02:13:31,330
day.com.

3833
02:13:31,410 --> 02:13:33,090
And I really appreciate it, but there's no

3834
02:13:33,090 --> 02:13:34,750
way we can, it was kind of all

3835
02:13:34,750 --> 02:13:35,410
over the place.

3836
02:13:36,850 --> 02:13:38,490
So we're not going to play it in

3837
02:13:38,490 --> 02:13:40,690
the donation segment, but anybody can go take

3838
02:13:40,690 --> 02:13:41,130
a look at it.

3839
02:13:41,170 --> 02:13:42,150
If you go to clip of the day

3840
02:13:42,150 --> 02:13:43,870
.com and he does have plans for clip

3841
02:13:43,870 --> 02:13:45,750
of the day.com, which is a great

3842
02:13:45,750 --> 02:13:47,990
website to have since clip of the day

3843
02:13:47,990 --> 02:13:51,290
is something that you can collect from the

3844
02:13:51,290 --> 02:13:52,190
no agenda show.

3845
02:13:52,450 --> 02:13:55,370
And we thank him very much for his

3846
02:13:55,370 --> 02:13:57,690
$333 support of the show.

3847
02:13:59,070 --> 02:14:01,490
As I move on to James bats, old

3848
02:14:01,490 --> 02:14:04,590
bats, old Davenport, Iowa, three 33.

3849
02:14:04,790 --> 02:14:06,770
I made this donation honor of my mom's

3850
02:14:06,770 --> 02:14:09,130
birthday on the 29th, November 29th.

3851
02:14:09,130 --> 02:14:10,410
It's also, there you go.

3852
02:14:10,770 --> 02:14:12,690
The 333rd day of the year.

3853
02:14:12,830 --> 02:14:13,610
Hence the donation.

3854
02:14:14,090 --> 02:14:15,830
I made a donation earlier this year and

3855
02:14:15,830 --> 02:14:18,510
commented that my mother, Katie bots old, listen

3856
02:14:18,510 --> 02:14:20,210
to the show and ends up falling asleep

3857
02:14:20,210 --> 02:14:21,710
by the first donation segment.

3858
02:14:22,090 --> 02:14:25,810
Adam proceeded to say, Katie, Katie bucks.

3859
02:14:25,890 --> 02:14:26,530
I'll wake up.

3860
02:14:27,010 --> 02:14:27,710
She loved it.

3861
02:14:27,910 --> 02:14:29,110
She turned 74.

3862
02:14:29,310 --> 02:14:30,810
Oh, happy birthday, Katie.

3863
02:14:30,990 --> 02:14:33,330
We are also celebrating her being cancer free.

3864
02:14:33,390 --> 02:14:39,040
Well, where's my, thank you for all you

3865
02:14:39,040 --> 02:14:40,140
do for more years.

3866
02:14:40,140 --> 02:14:42,660
No jingles, but F cancer for all regards,

3867
02:14:42,820 --> 02:14:43,560
James bots old.

3868
02:14:43,680 --> 02:14:43,780
Yes.

3869
02:14:44,280 --> 02:14:44,800
Congratulations.

3870
02:14:45,340 --> 02:14:46,140
That's great.

3871
02:14:46,220 --> 02:14:47,260
You're here, Katie.

3872
02:14:49,310 --> 02:14:51,050
You've got karma.

3873
02:14:51,310 --> 02:14:55,770
Nice Eloise of the woods in Vancouver, Washington,

3874
02:14:56,050 --> 02:14:57,790
two 33 dot 33.

3875
02:14:57,970 --> 02:15:01,590
She becomes our first, uh, associate executive producer.

3876
02:15:02,010 --> 02:15:04,770
Uh, she writes a note, a handwritten note

3877
02:15:04,770 --> 02:15:07,250
says there, uh, Adam and John remember when

3878
02:15:07,250 --> 02:15:09,550
the ballot box was set afire in Vancouver,

3879
02:15:09,810 --> 02:15:11,570
Washington about a week before the election.

3880
02:15:11,570 --> 02:15:12,070
Yes.

3881
02:15:13,190 --> 02:15:16,670
The election office solve the situation, not with

3882
02:15:16,670 --> 02:15:19,730
cameras, but by hiring highly skilled temp workers

3883
02:15:19,730 --> 02:15:24,490
like me, Oh, to conduct 24, seven in

3884
02:15:24,490 --> 02:15:27,870
-person stakeouts of the 22 ballot boxes in

3885
02:15:27,870 --> 02:15:29,270
the County for over a week.

3886
02:15:29,550 --> 02:15:29,910
Nice.

3887
02:15:30,610 --> 02:15:31,330
Please.

3888
02:15:31,410 --> 02:15:33,570
D douche me with half of my stakeout

3889
02:15:33,570 --> 02:15:35,690
wages of two 33, 33.

3890
02:15:37,470 --> 02:15:39,390
You've been D douche.

3891
02:15:40,630 --> 02:15:44,490
She says, because the no agenda episodes kept

3892
02:15:44,490 --> 02:15:47,590
me half alert and entertained throughout all the

3893
02:15:47,590 --> 02:15:52,070
all night shifts, half alert, inflation era coffee

3894
02:15:52,070 --> 02:15:53,930
and taxes used up the other half of

3895
02:15:53,930 --> 02:15:54,530
my wages.

3896
02:15:55,110 --> 02:15:58,130
Eloise of the woods in Vancouver, Washington.

3897
02:15:58,390 --> 02:15:58,790
Great note.

3898
02:15:58,830 --> 02:15:59,230
Eloise.

3899
02:15:59,330 --> 02:15:59,730
Thank you.

3900
02:15:59,850 --> 02:16:00,630
Appreciate that.

3901
02:16:01,010 --> 02:16:01,470
Calipages.

3902
02:16:01,630 --> 02:16:05,330
Colin is in Willow spring, North Carolina, row

3903
02:16:05,330 --> 02:16:07,390
of ducks to 22 dot 22 says, please

3904
02:16:07,390 --> 02:16:09,070
accept this short row of ducks.

3905
02:16:09,070 --> 02:16:11,230
In appreciation for all your great work, it's

3906
02:16:11,230 --> 02:16:12,910
not as lucrative as the money you'd be

3907
02:16:12,910 --> 02:16:14,650
receiving as a Russian asset.

3908
02:16:15,070 --> 02:16:18,030
True, but it does vaguely reflect the value

3909
02:16:18,030 --> 02:16:19,130
I received from your work.

3910
02:16:19,190 --> 02:16:20,770
By the way, I'd like to let my

3911
02:16:20,770 --> 02:16:24,330
fellow slaves know for certain baby making karma

3912
02:16:24,330 --> 02:16:25,010
works.

3913
02:16:25,490 --> 02:16:27,350
I'm happy to inform you that my smoking

3914
02:16:27,350 --> 02:16:30,030
hot wife is now carrying our third human

3915
02:16:30,030 --> 02:16:34,250
resource do this spring around Passover, by the

3916
02:16:34,250 --> 02:16:37,629
way, you Zionist chills, he says, well, as

3917
02:16:37,629 --> 02:16:39,930
long as you name him or her, Adam,

3918
02:16:40,110 --> 02:16:46,049
John, Colin, or great name, great name, John

3919
02:16:46,049 --> 02:16:47,110
Adam, John Adam.

3920
02:16:47,209 --> 02:16:47,549
There you go.

3921
02:16:47,610 --> 02:16:48,410
No jingles, no karma.

3922
02:16:48,510 --> 02:16:49,290
Thank you for what you do.

3923
02:16:49,530 --> 02:16:52,969
Calipages, J a Calipages, Colin dub spring, North

3924
02:16:52,969 --> 02:16:53,330
Carolina.

3925
02:16:53,430 --> 02:16:53,730
Thank you.

3926
02:16:53,750 --> 02:16:54,469
And congratulations.

3927
02:16:54,750 --> 02:16:55,809
That's that's great.

3928
02:16:55,889 --> 02:16:56,350
We love it.

3929
02:16:56,950 --> 02:16:57,530
We love it.

3930
02:16:58,309 --> 02:17:00,670
So let's, let me do Linda Lou Patkin

3931
02:17:00,670 --> 02:17:01,709
and Lakewood, Colorado.

3932
02:17:01,850 --> 02:17:02,990
We were getting to the end here.

3933
02:17:03,030 --> 02:17:03,389
Okay.

3934
02:17:04,129 --> 02:17:06,150
Uh, 200 bucks.

3935
02:17:06,250 --> 02:17:07,770
She says, I'm so grateful for you both.

3936
02:17:07,910 --> 02:17:09,809
Happy Thanksgiving and four more years of jobs.

3937
02:17:09,910 --> 02:17:12,610
Karma for a winning resume that gets results.

3938
02:17:12,670 --> 02:17:13,629
Go to image makers, Inc.

3939
02:17:13,750 --> 02:17:14,049
.com.

3940
02:17:14,129 --> 02:17:15,410
That's image makers, Inc.

3941
02:17:16,030 --> 02:17:18,650
With a K and work with Linda Lou,

3942
02:17:19,350 --> 02:17:21,510
Duchess of jobs and writer of resumes.

3943
02:17:21,629 --> 02:17:22,270
Thank you.

3944
02:17:22,690 --> 02:17:25,990
Jobs, jobs, jobs, and jobs.

3945
02:17:26,049 --> 02:17:27,690
Let's vote for jobs.

3946
02:17:28,389 --> 02:17:28,910
Karma.

3947
02:17:30,250 --> 02:17:32,670
And we have, uh, Eli, the coffee guy

3948
02:17:32,670 --> 02:17:33,969
with two 1128.

3949
02:17:34,430 --> 02:17:36,490
Happy Thanksgiving to all out there and get

3950
02:17:36,490 --> 02:17:36,910
one nation.

3951
02:17:36,950 --> 02:17:38,650
He says, today's the first time to enjoy

3952
02:17:38,650 --> 02:17:40,309
a good meal and time with the family

3953
02:17:40,309 --> 02:17:44,389
tomorrow, black Friday, the season of consumerism begins.

3954
02:17:44,770 --> 02:17:47,570
Remember to support small businesses to help your

3955
02:17:47,570 --> 02:17:51,709
community and America thrive, visit gigawatt coffee roasters

3956
02:17:51,709 --> 02:17:52,250
.com.

3957
02:17:52,330 --> 02:17:53,910
We have a site wide sale.

3958
02:17:54,350 --> 02:17:55,150
Stay caffeinated.

3959
02:17:55,530 --> 02:17:56,690
Eli, the coffee guy.

3960
02:17:56,690 --> 02:17:57,490
Yeah.

3961
02:17:57,530 --> 02:17:59,570
He said in the second note in that

3962
02:17:59,570 --> 02:18:02,230
thing, making sure that he wished everybody happy

3963
02:18:02,230 --> 02:18:02,709
Thanksgiving.

3964
02:18:03,530 --> 02:18:03,770
Yeah.

3965
02:18:04,010 --> 02:18:04,870
Uh, yes.

3966
02:18:04,969 --> 02:18:05,209
Okay.

3967
02:18:05,309 --> 02:18:05,549
Happy.

3968
02:18:05,610 --> 02:18:05,790
Thanks.

3969
02:18:05,990 --> 02:18:10,250
Fuse nine, six, nine LLC, uh, in Newark,

3970
02:18:10,309 --> 02:18:11,629
New Jersey came with 200 bucks.

3971
02:18:11,670 --> 02:18:13,969
Top of the morning, Adam and John, happy

3972
02:18:13,969 --> 02:18:16,730
Thanksgiving to you, your families, and all the

3973
02:18:16,730 --> 02:18:20,730
no agenda folk, long time listener, finally donating

3974
02:18:20,730 --> 02:18:23,530
to support this amazing show.

3975
02:18:23,549 --> 02:18:25,809
Can I get a jobs and money?

3976
02:18:25,809 --> 02:18:26,870
Karma jingle.

3977
02:18:27,309 --> 02:18:28,309
Well, there's no money.

3978
02:18:28,309 --> 02:18:29,110
Karma jingle.

3979
02:18:29,290 --> 02:18:31,230
The karma jingle does it by itself, but

3980
02:18:31,230 --> 02:18:32,469
we proceed it with the jobs.

3981
02:18:32,549 --> 02:18:36,450
Of course, jobs, jobs, jobs, and jobs.

3982
02:18:36,629 --> 02:18:37,270
Let's go.

3983
02:18:37,469 --> 02:18:38,610
I'll add a goat.

3984
02:18:43,309 --> 02:18:46,969
Brian Schmidt, Canton, Michigan, almost done $200.

3985
02:18:47,350 --> 02:18:50,170
He says, Adam, keep pushing blue sky people.

3986
02:18:50,530 --> 02:18:52,950
Probably the people John follows on Tik TOK

3987
02:18:52,950 --> 02:18:55,910
are buying up blue sky digital stock like

3988
02:18:55,910 --> 02:18:56,370
crazy.

3989
02:18:57,010 --> 02:18:58,629
The only problem is blue sky digital.

3990
02:18:58,629 --> 02:19:00,330
Isn't the social media company.

3991
02:19:00,450 --> 02:19:02,510
It's a shit coin company out of Toronto

3992
02:19:02,510 --> 02:19:03,570
and it's hilarious.

3993
02:19:03,870 --> 02:19:05,389
It's up to 49 cents.

3994
02:19:07,430 --> 02:19:08,930
It is now blue cry.

3995
02:19:09,049 --> 02:19:10,809
My friend loved the show.

3996
02:19:10,930 --> 02:19:11,850
Here's the four more years.

3997
02:19:11,969 --> 02:19:14,090
I would call Michael Schmidt a douche bag,

3998
02:19:14,190 --> 02:19:16,110
but it's the holidays and mom would get

3999
02:19:16,110 --> 02:19:16,430
mad.

4000
02:19:16,530 --> 02:19:18,889
So I'll just say happy Thanksgiving to all

4001
02:19:18,889 --> 02:19:20,290
Brian Schmidt, Canton, Michigan.

4002
02:19:20,450 --> 02:19:22,290
And he says, I would like Mac and

4003
02:19:22,290 --> 02:19:23,830
cheese followed by ants.

4004
02:19:23,830 --> 02:19:24,670
The short version.

4005
02:19:25,330 --> 02:19:27,129
And then he has a link to that

4006
02:19:27,129 --> 02:19:28,850
story about blue sky digital.

4007
02:19:28,950 --> 02:19:29,549
Thank you very much.

4008
02:19:29,610 --> 02:19:30,889
Happy Thanksgiving to you, brother.

4009
02:19:31,330 --> 02:19:33,590
You slaves can get used to Mac and

4010
02:19:33,590 --> 02:19:33,809
cheese.

4011
02:19:35,809 --> 02:19:38,730
Macaroni and cheese cheddar melted together.

4012
02:19:38,969 --> 02:19:41,190
Mac and cheese, Mac and cheese, Mac and

4013
02:19:41,190 --> 02:19:41,469
cheese.

4014
02:19:47,910 --> 02:19:49,010
I got ants.

4015
02:19:53,650 --> 02:19:54,750
I got ants.

4016
02:19:59,470 --> 02:20:01,190
You've got karma.

4017
02:20:02,890 --> 02:20:05,070
Steven man's last on the list here.

4018
02:20:05,170 --> 02:20:05,770
Good list.

4019
02:20:06,150 --> 02:20:06,470
Very good.

4020
02:20:06,530 --> 02:20:06,710
Yeah.

4021
02:20:06,710 --> 02:20:09,710
He's in Plymouth township, Michigan, and he says,

4022
02:20:09,790 --> 02:20:12,030
and he's came over 200 bucks and says

4023
02:20:12,030 --> 02:20:14,010
simply nice.

4024
02:20:14,090 --> 02:20:14,490
No here.

4025
02:20:14,950 --> 02:20:15,670
Happy Thanksgiving.

4026
02:20:16,130 --> 02:20:17,850
Keep up the great work.

4027
02:20:18,610 --> 02:20:19,350
Well, that's easy.

4028
02:20:19,470 --> 02:20:19,890
That's easy.

4029
02:20:19,910 --> 02:20:20,750
Thank you very much.

4030
02:20:20,790 --> 02:20:22,830
And thank you to everybody who supported us.

4031
02:20:22,850 --> 02:20:25,230
We'll be thanking more people $50 and above

4032
02:20:25,230 --> 02:20:26,130
in our second segment.

4033
02:20:26,130 --> 02:20:28,870
And as always, whatever you do, if you

4034
02:20:28,870 --> 02:20:31,730
want to keep the show going, we love

4035
02:20:31,730 --> 02:20:34,890
sustaining donations can be $5 a month.

4036
02:20:35,050 --> 02:20:36,630
You, I mean, that's a coffee, not even

4037
02:20:36,630 --> 02:20:37,530
a coffee these days.

4038
02:20:38,070 --> 02:20:39,870
You get to determine the amount and the

4039
02:20:39,870 --> 02:20:40,250
frequency.

4040
02:20:40,390 --> 02:20:41,450
You can set it up at no agenda

4041
02:20:41,450 --> 02:20:42,610
donations.com.

4042
02:20:42,690 --> 02:20:44,610
Once again, the support, the show financially, no

4043
02:20:44,610 --> 02:20:46,010
agenda donations.com.

4044
02:20:46,210 --> 02:20:46,990
You'll remember it.

4045
02:20:47,030 --> 02:20:48,490
If I say it three times, no agenda

4046
02:20:48,490 --> 02:20:49,590
donations.com.

4047
02:20:49,670 --> 02:20:50,310
Thank you again.

4048
02:20:52,010 --> 02:20:54,070
Our formula is this.

4049
02:20:55,730 --> 02:20:59,230
We hit people in the mouth.

4050
02:21:14,150 --> 02:21:18,430
Well, I have something I want to play

4051
02:21:18,430 --> 02:21:18,930
off.

4052
02:21:18,970 --> 02:21:19,310
All right.

4053
02:21:20,910 --> 02:21:22,690
This is where I got some stuff on

4054
02:21:22,690 --> 02:21:25,830
the ceasefire, but I also have this since

4055
02:21:25,830 --> 02:21:27,490
it relates to the last segment.

4056
02:21:27,630 --> 02:21:29,510
This is the, I can start it with

4057
02:21:29,510 --> 02:21:31,090
the teaser or what we're going to play.

4058
02:21:31,150 --> 02:21:34,430
And this again involves that horrible Lopez woman

4059
02:21:34,430 --> 02:21:35,130
on PBS.

4060
02:21:36,510 --> 02:21:38,630
Oh, you even labeled it horrible teaser.

4061
02:21:40,010 --> 02:21:40,450
Okay.

4062
02:21:40,510 --> 02:21:41,270
Do I just hit it?

4063
02:21:41,790 --> 02:21:43,330
Yeah, I hit the teaser still to come

4064
02:21:43,330 --> 02:21:44,050
on the news hour.

4065
02:21:44,270 --> 02:21:47,630
How Donald Trump's reelection fits into a broader

4066
02:21:47,630 --> 02:21:49,830
acceptance of authoritarian leadership.

4067
02:21:53,310 --> 02:21:54,790
Authoritarian leadership, authoritarian.

4068
02:21:55,210 --> 02:21:57,170
So they're going to stick with this because

4069
02:21:57,170 --> 02:21:58,530
we've been, you and I have both been

4070
02:21:58,530 --> 02:22:00,330
trying to find what thematic things are going

4071
02:22:00,330 --> 02:22:01,370
to do about Trump.

4072
02:22:01,690 --> 02:22:01,870
Yeah.

4073
02:22:02,090 --> 02:22:03,350
And so they're going to go with this

4074
02:22:03,350 --> 02:22:03,790
crate.

4075
02:22:03,870 --> 02:22:05,590
This report is so ludicrous.

4076
02:22:06,250 --> 02:22:06,670
Let's start.

4077
02:22:07,030 --> 02:22:08,750
Well, unfortunately I use the at sign instead

4078
02:22:08,750 --> 02:22:10,830
of the number two for the second clip,

4079
02:22:10,890 --> 02:22:13,390
but this is the horrors, horrid PBS report

4080
02:22:13,390 --> 02:22:15,790
on Trump, Trump's authoritarianism.

4081
02:22:15,870 --> 02:22:17,490
Just so you know, I speak to Vorak.

4082
02:22:17,490 --> 02:22:19,170
So when I see the at sign, I

4083
02:22:19,170 --> 02:22:20,290
know it means number two.

4084
02:22:20,490 --> 02:22:22,290
You said something to the banker about this,

4085
02:22:22,310 --> 02:22:23,730
by the way, she told me.

4086
02:22:24,610 --> 02:22:25,050
What?

4087
02:22:25,230 --> 02:22:26,030
Wait a minute.

4088
02:22:26,030 --> 02:22:26,470
Wait a minute.

4089
02:22:26,930 --> 02:22:29,250
What, what did she tell you?

4090
02:22:29,330 --> 02:22:30,890
I want to, cause she, all right.

4091
02:22:31,990 --> 02:22:33,990
No, just tell me what she told you.

4092
02:22:34,630 --> 02:22:36,630
I can't remember the phrase, but you use

4093
02:22:36,630 --> 02:22:38,270
some phrase I've never heard.

4094
02:22:39,230 --> 02:22:41,470
Uh, the Vorak is, um, or something.

4095
02:22:41,810 --> 02:22:43,230
No, that's not true.

4096
02:22:44,430 --> 02:22:47,030
Oh, she, here's the story, the backstory.

4097
02:22:47,730 --> 02:22:50,650
So we do a distribution of the funds.

4098
02:22:51,110 --> 02:22:53,290
And I just, Adam has a local bank

4099
02:22:53,290 --> 02:22:55,050
account here at the same bank at the

4100
02:22:55,050 --> 02:22:56,170
Albany mechanics bank.

4101
02:22:57,770 --> 02:22:59,750
And I had had to change the account

4102
02:22:59,750 --> 02:23:01,410
number for, for a reason.

4103
02:23:01,570 --> 02:23:03,830
It's not important, but it had to be,

4104
02:23:03,890 --> 02:23:04,990
Adam's got a new account there.

4105
02:23:05,390 --> 02:23:07,290
And so, unfortunately, I don't know what happened

4106
02:23:07,290 --> 02:23:08,570
when I did the cut and paste, cause

4107
02:23:08,570 --> 02:23:09,970
I'm a cut and paste guy.

4108
02:23:10,230 --> 02:23:11,890
I left the old account there.

4109
02:23:11,890 --> 02:23:13,830
So the banker couldn't get ahold of me,

4110
02:23:13,830 --> 02:23:15,430
I guess, and calls you up.

4111
02:23:15,690 --> 02:23:18,290
She says, um, yeah, John, I want to

4112
02:23:18,290 --> 02:23:22,130
deposit, uh, um, you know, you're like your

4113
02:23:22,130 --> 02:23:23,270
end of month.

4114
02:23:23,710 --> 02:23:24,490
I love it.

4115
02:23:24,570 --> 02:23:26,450
We're so like your end of month salary.

4116
02:23:27,030 --> 02:23:29,430
Um, but, uh, he got the number all

4117
02:23:29,430 --> 02:23:30,290
screwed up.

4118
02:23:30,290 --> 02:23:32,350
And it's, uh, and, and I think I

4119
02:23:32,350 --> 02:23:34,250
said, Oh, well that's John.

4120
02:23:34,290 --> 02:23:35,990
I don't think I said anything like a

4121
02:23:35,990 --> 02:23:36,230
John.

4122
02:23:36,490 --> 02:23:37,850
there was some, it was a phrase.

4123
02:23:38,490 --> 02:23:39,250
I'm sorry.

4124
02:23:39,310 --> 02:23:40,390
I didn't write it down, but I thought

4125
02:23:40,390 --> 02:23:41,190
it was hilarious.

4126
02:23:41,490 --> 02:23:42,750
And I called her out on it.

4127
02:23:42,790 --> 02:23:43,770
She got, you were a sheep.

4128
02:23:44,150 --> 02:23:46,470
I wish I, she's really nice, by the

4129
02:23:46,470 --> 02:23:46,610
way.

4130
02:23:46,630 --> 02:23:47,750
She's really nice.

4131
02:23:48,190 --> 02:23:50,210
I, the fact that she called and just

4132
02:23:50,210 --> 02:23:52,290
said, you know, no, she's a great, she's

4133
02:23:52,290 --> 02:23:53,690
the vice president at the bank.

4134
02:23:53,730 --> 02:23:57,330
She's really a great banker because, you know,

4135
02:23:57,330 --> 02:24:00,090
you show up with checks and gold coins

4136
02:24:00,090 --> 02:24:02,430
and all kinds of like, it's, it's a

4137
02:24:02,430 --> 02:24:05,530
huge ordeal the way people support us.

4138
02:24:06,370 --> 02:24:07,090
Am I right?

4139
02:24:07,190 --> 02:24:08,210
You get a lot of different things that

4140
02:24:08,210 --> 02:24:09,230
have to go into the bank.

4141
02:24:09,230 --> 02:24:10,730
The owners of the bank.

4142
02:24:10,950 --> 02:24:13,090
What are all these checks for $33?

4143
02:24:13,650 --> 02:24:15,350
What kind of outfit are you?

4144
02:24:15,470 --> 02:24:17,110
What are you guys up to?

4145
02:24:17,330 --> 02:24:18,070
What are you doing?

4146
02:24:19,410 --> 02:24:21,350
It was years ago in the original bank

4147
02:24:21,350 --> 02:24:22,330
manager called me.

4148
02:24:22,430 --> 02:24:25,450
I says, uh, can you explain what all

4149
02:24:25,450 --> 02:24:27,770
these, because we get all these crazy checks

4150
02:24:27,770 --> 02:24:30,210
from all these, from these sources that mostly

4151
02:24:30,210 --> 02:24:31,300
pay by mail sources.

4152
02:24:31,990 --> 02:24:34,570
So there's piles of these checks and they've

4153
02:24:34,570 --> 02:24:36,690
got the weirdest numbers on them because people

4154
02:24:36,690 --> 02:24:40,970
always put their birthday or 7333.33. There's

4155
02:24:40,970 --> 02:24:41,670
a lot of that.

4156
02:24:42,290 --> 02:24:44,190
I had to explain to him what we

4157
02:24:44,190 --> 02:24:44,590
were doing.

4158
02:24:44,690 --> 02:24:46,370
I'm amazed we haven't been debanked.

4159
02:24:46,430 --> 02:24:46,950
You know what I'm saying?

4160
02:24:47,370 --> 02:24:48,890
We haven't been debanked.

4161
02:24:48,990 --> 02:24:51,150
All right, back to the horrid PBS lady.

4162
02:24:51,290 --> 02:24:52,030
This is clip two.

4163
02:24:52,430 --> 02:24:54,570
President elect Donald Trump ran a lot of

4164
02:24:54,570 --> 02:24:59,550
his campaign promising retribution for his enemies and

4165
02:24:59,550 --> 02:25:02,150
asking absolute loyalty from his supporters.

4166
02:25:03,950 --> 02:25:06,430
Now, as he prepares for a second term

4167
02:25:06,430 --> 02:25:09,030
in office, Laura Barone Lopez has a look

4168
02:25:09,030 --> 02:25:11,150
at what that might mean for the future

4169
02:25:11,150 --> 02:25:11,630
of us.

4170
02:25:11,910 --> 02:25:12,430
Democracy.

4171
02:25:12,970 --> 02:25:15,930
William, according to the associated press, 55%

4172
02:25:15,930 --> 02:25:17,990
of voters said they were very or somewhat

4173
02:25:17,990 --> 02:25:20,750
concerned that Trump would steer the US toward

4174
02:25:20,750 --> 02:25:22,150
becoming an authoritarian country.

4175
02:25:23,850 --> 02:25:26,090
One where a single leader or small group

4176
02:25:26,090 --> 02:25:27,250
has unchecked power.

4177
02:25:27,530 --> 02:25:29,810
Still, more than one in 10 of those

4178
02:25:29,810 --> 02:25:31,350
voters supported him anyways.

4179
02:25:31,350 --> 02:25:33,790
To discuss further, I'm holding on a second.

4180
02:25:34,250 --> 02:25:36,150
I have a real problem with this from

4181
02:25:36,150 --> 02:25:38,550
PBS, and I just don't like it.

4182
02:25:38,670 --> 02:25:40,190
It's bothered me for years now.

4183
02:25:41,070 --> 02:25:44,730
When did the word anyway become anyways?

4184
02:25:45,450 --> 02:25:47,510
And since when is that correct English?

4185
02:25:49,770 --> 02:25:51,590
I, we don't, I'm not a grammarian, but

4186
02:25:51,590 --> 02:25:53,370
I'm sure someone in the audience can explain

4187
02:25:53,370 --> 02:25:53,610
it.

4188
02:25:53,670 --> 02:25:54,450
Don't you?

4189
02:25:54,670 --> 02:25:57,390
Doesn't this bother you when someone of it

4190
02:25:57,390 --> 02:25:58,050
sounds true?

4191
02:25:58,070 --> 02:26:00,650
It sounds like you're trivializing the story.

4192
02:26:00,650 --> 02:26:03,910
Anyway, anyways, it's just not correct.

4193
02:26:04,670 --> 02:26:05,230
Anyways.

4194
02:26:05,370 --> 02:26:05,610
All right.

4195
02:26:05,650 --> 02:26:09,650
It's like saying humongous or gazillion or like

4196
02:26:09,650 --> 02:26:12,630
holding your fork wrong, you know, irritates one

4197
02:26:12,630 --> 02:26:14,650
where a single leader or small group has

4198
02:26:14,650 --> 02:26:15,510
unchecked power.

4199
02:26:15,770 --> 02:26:18,110
Still, more than one in 10 of those

4200
02:26:18,110 --> 02:26:19,590
voters supported him anyways.

4201
02:26:19,950 --> 02:26:22,170
To discuss this further, I'm joined by Jason

4202
02:26:22,170 --> 02:26:25,470
Stanley, professor of philosophy at Yale University, an

4203
02:26:25,470 --> 02:26:28,610
author of erasing history, how fascists rewrite the

4204
02:26:28,610 --> 02:26:30,130
past to control the future.

4205
02:26:30,130 --> 02:26:33,090
Professor Stanley, thank you so much for joining.

4206
02:26:33,890 --> 02:26:36,590
why did voters on one hand acknowledge and

4207
02:26:36,590 --> 02:26:39,290
express fear, uh, that the country could very

4208
02:26:39,290 --> 02:26:42,950
well tip towards authoritarianism under Trump, but then

4209
02:26:42,950 --> 02:26:45,030
on the other hand, still vote for him.

4210
02:26:45,490 --> 02:26:48,650
The idea that democracy is a value upon

4211
02:26:48,650 --> 02:26:52,970
which voters vote, uh, or place enormous priority

4212
02:26:52,970 --> 02:26:54,430
on is false.

4213
02:26:54,430 --> 02:26:59,410
Uh, voters prize a number of things over

4214
02:26:59,410 --> 02:27:03,210
democracy, especially voters who have regularly lived in

4215
02:27:03,210 --> 02:27:05,710
a country where you can replace leaders and

4216
02:27:05,710 --> 02:27:07,350
parties by elections.

4217
02:27:07,710 --> 02:27:11,150
This, this is actually quite amazing that he's

4218
02:27:11,150 --> 02:27:15,150
saying this, this book writer anyways, book writer.

4219
02:27:16,530 --> 02:27:19,210
I was at, uh, remember, um, I went

4220
02:27:19,210 --> 02:27:20,770
up to see that thing where, where Flynn

4221
02:27:20,770 --> 02:27:22,210
was speaking.

4222
02:27:22,210 --> 02:27:22,570
Yeah.

4223
02:27:22,910 --> 02:27:25,310
Uh, next to Fenton, I think up there

4224
02:27:25,310 --> 02:27:25,750
in Dallas.

4225
02:27:26,410 --> 02:27:28,950
And there were these two people, they were

4226
02:27:28,950 --> 02:27:33,610
probably closer to 70 and they come up

4227
02:27:33,610 --> 02:27:35,390
to me and they're, and they're chatting and

4228
02:27:35,390 --> 02:27:38,210
they're, they're short people, Brown people.

4229
02:27:38,810 --> 02:27:41,470
And they say, we are so happy to

4230
02:27:41,470 --> 02:27:41,850
be here.

4231
02:27:41,970 --> 02:27:43,890
We are so, and they were really talking

4232
02:27:43,890 --> 02:27:45,890
about, because this whole thing was about Trump.

4233
02:27:46,050 --> 02:27:47,530
We are so happy.

4234
02:27:48,030 --> 02:27:50,750
Uh, uh, we want Donald Trump to be

4235
02:27:50,750 --> 02:27:52,470
president because we come from Venezuela.

4236
02:27:53,090 --> 02:27:56,370
And if America goes down the path of

4237
02:27:56,370 --> 02:27:59,090
Venezuela, we'll, no one will have anywhere else

4238
02:27:59,090 --> 02:27:59,630
to go.

4239
02:28:00,150 --> 02:28:02,270
So what this guy is saying is just

4240
02:28:02,270 --> 02:28:04,910
so polar opposite to the actual reality of

4241
02:28:04,910 --> 02:28:05,470
the world.

4242
02:28:06,130 --> 02:28:07,630
It's, it's insane.

4243
02:28:08,290 --> 02:28:09,810
This guy is insane.

4244
02:28:09,810 --> 02:28:12,030
When you watch him, it's like a doofus

4245
02:28:12,030 --> 02:28:13,730
goofy looking guy.

4246
02:28:13,730 --> 02:28:15,290
Who's he written a couple of books, always

4247
02:28:15,290 --> 02:28:17,110
about fascism and how it's going to take

4248
02:28:17,110 --> 02:28:19,170
over in Lopez is all in on this.

4249
02:28:19,790 --> 02:28:22,070
And this is the PBS, uh, doing this

4250
02:28:22,070 --> 02:28:22,430
thing.

4251
02:28:22,650 --> 02:28:23,850
It's a socialist operation.

4252
02:28:23,850 --> 02:28:26,210
Now it's all that you can say, this

4253
02:28:26,210 --> 02:28:29,570
is all about promoting socialism on PBS.

4254
02:28:29,810 --> 02:28:31,430
It's a terrible product.

4255
02:28:31,870 --> 02:28:33,270
People should not give them money.

4256
02:28:33,330 --> 02:28:35,450
They should give it to us or anybody

4257
02:28:35,450 --> 02:28:36,910
else for that matter.

4258
02:28:37,030 --> 02:28:37,770
But here we go.

4259
02:28:38,010 --> 02:28:41,110
Anybody with them, the idea that democracy should

4260
02:28:41,110 --> 02:28:41,710
be a value.

4261
02:28:41,810 --> 02:28:44,830
Well, that's something that schools and universities teach.

4262
02:28:45,510 --> 02:28:47,730
That's something we try to emphasize, but it

4263
02:28:47,730 --> 02:28:50,010
doesn't mean that people are born that way.

4264
02:28:50,950 --> 02:28:51,310
What?

4265
02:28:53,750 --> 02:28:55,470
So as soon as he said that I

4266
02:28:55,470 --> 02:28:57,190
had to stop it there because born that

4267
02:28:57,190 --> 02:28:57,770
way, what is this?

4268
02:28:57,950 --> 02:28:58,970
A Gaga song?

4269
02:28:59,070 --> 02:29:01,710
I mean, what is, what is the point

4270
02:29:01,710 --> 02:29:03,550
of saying, well, you know, we teach at

4271
02:29:03,550 --> 02:29:06,110
the university, but people aren't born that way.

4272
02:29:06,970 --> 02:29:09,510
You know, freedom loving, I guess they're not

4273
02:29:09,510 --> 02:29:10,190
born that way.

4274
02:29:10,210 --> 02:29:11,470
You have to go to the university.

4275
02:29:11,570 --> 02:29:13,030
What he's really saying here is you have

4276
02:29:13,030 --> 02:29:14,690
to go to the university because there's a,

4277
02:29:14,690 --> 02:29:16,610
there's an overlying pitch going on.

4278
02:29:16,830 --> 02:29:18,730
And this was also done on a man

4279
02:29:18,730 --> 02:29:21,090
and poor show when they had brought David

4280
02:29:21,090 --> 02:29:22,830
Brooks and was just written a new book

4281
02:29:22,830 --> 02:29:25,930
and his book, Brooks of Brooks and K

4282
02:29:25,930 --> 02:29:26,310
part.

4283
02:29:26,710 --> 02:29:28,550
He is new book is that, well, they

4284
02:29:28,550 --> 02:29:29,710
were the divide.

4285
02:29:29,810 --> 02:29:31,310
And I had a bunch of clips on

4286
02:29:31,310 --> 02:29:33,590
education that from about five shows ago, I

4287
02:29:33,590 --> 02:29:35,710
never ran them, but they're trying to promote

4288
02:29:35,710 --> 02:29:39,130
the idea that if you're educated, you're a

4289
02:29:39,130 --> 02:29:40,010
smart Democrat.

4290
02:29:40,270 --> 02:29:43,430
If you're a dumb fuck, then you're a

4291
02:29:43,430 --> 02:29:43,910
Republican.

4292
02:29:43,910 --> 02:29:46,370
And this is the thing that's been, they've

4293
02:29:46,370 --> 02:29:48,270
been promoting this and promoting it.

4294
02:29:48,270 --> 02:29:49,210
It's not going to work.

4295
02:29:49,270 --> 02:29:50,870
Don't they realize this is not going to

4296
02:29:50,870 --> 02:29:51,230
work?

4297
02:29:52,810 --> 02:29:54,870
Well, there was another thing that people said,

4298
02:29:55,030 --> 02:29:57,210
I don't know if I linked this on

4299
02:29:57,210 --> 02:29:58,830
my Twitter account or not, but there was

4300
02:29:58,830 --> 02:30:02,790
a, a threesome of historians doing their, their,

4301
02:30:02,950 --> 02:30:06,850
that, that show at Stanford Hoover Institute does

4302
02:30:06,850 --> 02:30:08,490
with that one guy is always asking too

4303
02:30:08,490 --> 02:30:11,710
many questions, including David Hanson and two other

4304
02:30:11,710 --> 02:30:12,010
guys.

4305
02:30:12,010 --> 02:30:15,990
And they were excoriating this notion that the,

4306
02:30:15,990 --> 02:30:18,410
the universities are like, if you go to

4307
02:30:18,410 --> 02:30:20,310
university, you're, you're, you're going to be a

4308
02:30:20,310 --> 02:30:20,950
better person.

4309
02:30:20,950 --> 02:30:22,390
You're going to vote Democrat and all this.

4310
02:30:23,590 --> 02:30:25,170
You're going to improve the country.

4311
02:30:25,490 --> 02:30:26,530
This is where it should go.

4312
02:30:26,590 --> 02:30:28,610
And Brooks is now promoting that all year.

4313
02:30:28,890 --> 02:30:29,110
Yeah.

4314
02:30:29,390 --> 02:30:30,170
There's dummies.

4315
02:30:31,390 --> 02:30:33,210
I'm very educated person.

4316
02:30:33,330 --> 02:30:34,810
As far as I'm concerned, I went to

4317
02:30:34,810 --> 02:30:37,870
Cal Berkeley of all places and I went

4318
02:30:37,870 --> 02:30:40,230
to other colleges and, and I, I'm not

4319
02:30:40,230 --> 02:30:42,950
a, you know, a high school dropout.

4320
02:30:43,570 --> 02:30:46,230
And I find this incredibly offensive that they,

4321
02:30:46,290 --> 02:30:48,670
they make this assertion that it's everything's based

4322
02:30:48,670 --> 02:30:49,490
on education.

4323
02:30:49,490 --> 02:30:50,170
It's not true.

4324
02:30:50,990 --> 02:30:51,770
That's not true.

4325
02:30:52,770 --> 02:30:53,770
It's not true.

4326
02:30:53,850 --> 02:30:54,390
It's crazy.

4327
02:30:54,490 --> 02:30:57,290
But anyway, Victor Davis, I found this born

4328
02:30:57,290 --> 02:30:58,990
this way thing to be very offensive.

4329
02:30:59,090 --> 02:31:01,410
This is an offensive that I'm obviously offended

4330
02:31:01,410 --> 02:31:02,290
by this personally.

4331
02:31:02,490 --> 02:31:02,850
Yes.

4332
02:31:02,930 --> 02:31:06,630
Victor Davis Hanson, not David Hanson, David Hanson,

4333
02:31:06,730 --> 02:31:09,850
David Hanson, the Hanson boys, the Hanson brothers.

4334
02:31:09,850 --> 02:31:10,070
Whoa.

4335
02:31:12,110 --> 02:31:13,230
Hold on a second.

4336
02:31:13,350 --> 02:31:13,770
Where'd you go?

4337
02:31:13,950 --> 02:31:14,270
Hold on.

4338
02:31:14,290 --> 02:31:14,830
Come back.

4339
02:31:14,970 --> 02:31:15,610
Something's wrong.

4340
02:31:15,890 --> 02:31:16,390
Got a problem.

4341
02:31:17,950 --> 02:31:19,550
Adam fell into a pit.

4342
02:31:19,770 --> 02:31:20,190
Oh no.

4343
02:31:20,450 --> 02:31:20,670
Yeah.

4344
02:31:20,750 --> 02:31:22,810
See, there's a trap door in these studio.

4345
02:31:23,230 --> 02:31:23,910
Oh no.

4346
02:31:24,530 --> 02:31:26,490
One of my monitors just went out.

4347
02:31:27,310 --> 02:31:27,890
Oh no.

4348
02:31:28,110 --> 02:31:28,330
Yeah.

4349
02:31:28,430 --> 02:31:29,370
That is an oh no.

4350
02:31:29,630 --> 02:31:29,870
Whoa.

4351
02:31:30,050 --> 02:31:31,370
And now everything's glitching.

4352
02:31:32,150 --> 02:31:32,950
Oh, it's back.

4353
02:31:33,030 --> 02:31:33,270
Okay.

4354
02:31:33,710 --> 02:31:34,390
Next clip.

4355
02:31:34,550 --> 02:31:34,830
We can go.

4356
02:31:35,410 --> 02:31:36,470
We'll do it live.

4357
02:31:36,670 --> 02:31:37,350
We'll do it live.

4358
02:31:37,350 --> 02:31:38,030
Don't worry about it.

4359
02:31:38,090 --> 02:31:38,730
We'll do it live.

4360
02:31:39,010 --> 02:31:40,610
We're running with scissors, people.

4361
02:31:41,290 --> 02:31:43,470
President-elect Trump has openly embraced a number

4362
02:31:43,470 --> 02:31:46,890
of strongman leaders, including Hungarian Prime Minister Viktor

4363
02:31:46,890 --> 02:31:47,570
Orban.

4364
02:31:47,870 --> 02:31:49,830
Trump has also said that he would be

4365
02:31:49,830 --> 02:31:51,430
a dictator for a day.

4366
02:31:52,750 --> 02:31:54,970
He has expressed a desire to seek revenge

4367
02:31:54,970 --> 02:31:56,510
against his political enemies.

4368
02:31:57,550 --> 02:31:59,970
And he's also threatened to use the military

4369
02:31:59,970 --> 02:32:02,690
against civilians during times of civil unrest.

4370
02:32:03,070 --> 02:32:05,090
If Donald Trump ends up governing like a

4371
02:32:05,090 --> 02:32:07,210
strongman, what does that mean for the future

4372
02:32:07,210 --> 02:32:07,910
of democracy?

4373
02:32:08,290 --> 02:32:10,690
He will end up governing like a strongman.

4374
02:32:11,470 --> 02:32:13,870
He generally does what he says, which is

4375
02:32:13,870 --> 02:32:18,490
why voters consider him authentic, perhaps rightfully so.

4376
02:32:18,690 --> 02:32:22,750
He's appointed Pete Hegseth as his defense secretary,

4377
02:32:23,010 --> 02:32:28,430
whose writings show that he regards leftists, political

4378
02:32:28,430 --> 02:32:32,750
opponents, university professors as the enemy, as the

4379
02:32:32,750 --> 02:32:33,730
real enemy.

4380
02:32:33,730 --> 02:32:38,070
So every indication we have is that he's

4381
02:32:38,070 --> 02:32:41,770
going to rule like an authoritarian and maybe

4382
02:32:41,770 --> 02:32:46,370
not step down from power, certainly adjust the

4383
02:32:46,370 --> 02:32:49,690
levers of power in our very flawed democracy

4384
02:32:49,690 --> 02:32:55,150
so that Trumpism remains in power for some

4385
02:32:55,150 --> 02:32:58,230
time to come, perhaps a very long time

4386
02:32:58,230 --> 02:32:58,630
to come.

4387
02:32:58,790 --> 02:33:01,330
And we know that they've been taking advice

4388
02:33:01,330 --> 02:33:02,000
from Orban.

4389
02:33:02,760 --> 02:33:05,780
And for a long time, people said, including

4390
02:33:05,780 --> 02:33:08,480
me, that the United States was too large

4391
02:33:08,480 --> 02:33:10,260
to do what Orban did.

4392
02:33:10,640 --> 02:33:13,540
For example, Orban took over the media, forcing

4393
02:33:13,540 --> 02:33:16,560
the media to sell to his cronies and

4394
02:33:16,560 --> 02:33:17,020
friends.

4395
02:33:17,460 --> 02:33:19,340
And the thought was the United States is

4396
02:33:19,340 --> 02:33:20,360
too large for that.

4397
02:33:20,780 --> 02:33:23,640
However, couldn't Elon Musk just buy the whole

4398
02:33:23,640 --> 02:33:23,920
media?

4399
02:33:27,330 --> 02:33:29,410
Oh, let me add to your sound effects.

4400
02:33:32,620 --> 02:33:35,200
Couldn't Elon Musk just buy the whole media?

4401
02:33:35,200 --> 02:33:40,600
The whole media as though it's a thing.

4402
02:33:44,600 --> 02:33:47,360
They brought back the trope about, oh, he's

4403
02:33:47,360 --> 02:33:48,800
going to stay tonight, he's not going to

4404
02:33:48,800 --> 02:33:49,300
leave.

4405
02:33:50,040 --> 02:33:51,780
He left the first time.

4406
02:33:53,820 --> 02:33:57,820
This is a pathetic indictment of PBS.

4407
02:33:58,260 --> 02:34:01,780
This segment right there that I just played

4408
02:34:01,780 --> 02:34:04,860
is an indictment of PBS as a bunch

4409
02:34:04,860 --> 02:34:05,960
of douchebags.

4410
02:34:09,020 --> 02:34:11,460
I heard them- And the Lopez woman

4411
02:34:11,460 --> 02:34:12,440
is terrible.

4412
02:34:12,760 --> 02:34:13,120
Yes.

4413
02:34:13,760 --> 02:34:16,780
Well, the thing is, in our last four

4414
02:34:16,780 --> 02:34:19,560
years, we won't be doing much PBS stuff

4415
02:34:19,560 --> 02:34:22,140
because the media is now elsewhere.

4416
02:34:23,660 --> 02:34:26,680
What people are watching and listening, well, watching,

4417
02:34:27,540 --> 02:34:28,560
is different now.

4418
02:34:29,160 --> 02:34:30,580
We're going to have to be playing Rogan

4419
02:34:30,580 --> 02:34:30,980
clips.

4420
02:34:32,780 --> 02:34:34,760
And Megyn Kelly clips.

4421
02:34:34,880 --> 02:34:36,300
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

4422
02:34:36,300 --> 02:34:39,180
I heard her mention Hegseth.

4423
02:34:39,840 --> 02:34:42,440
As Stephanie Ruhle, a favorite with the boys

4424
02:34:42,440 --> 02:34:45,680
on the trading room at Goldman, she has

4425
02:34:45,680 --> 02:34:49,480
a real problem with Hegseth, particularly his name.

4426
02:34:49,620 --> 02:34:50,200
But he votes.

4427
02:34:51,260 --> 02:34:54,540
Meanwhile, Pete Hegseth, excuse me, Pete Hegseth, I'm

4428
02:34:54,540 --> 02:34:56,800
sorry about that, Trump's pick for defense secretary.

4429
02:34:56,940 --> 02:35:00,280
She says, Pete Hegseth, and she keeps doing

4430
02:35:00,280 --> 02:35:00,460
it.

4431
02:35:00,540 --> 02:35:02,320
We'll have a conversation about rationality.

4432
02:35:02,440 --> 02:35:05,640
What do you think about Pete Hegseth?

4433
02:35:05,640 --> 02:35:06,600
Excuse me.

4434
02:35:07,000 --> 02:35:09,200
She keeps saying pig Hegseth.

4435
02:35:09,860 --> 02:35:10,380
Pig.

4436
02:35:10,580 --> 02:35:11,720
Pig Hegseth.

4437
02:35:12,160 --> 02:35:13,180
This is really odd.

4438
02:35:13,360 --> 02:35:14,800
It's like it got stuck in her brain

4439
02:35:14,800 --> 02:35:16,060
and she can't get rid of it.

4440
02:35:17,080 --> 02:35:18,560
Very, very odd.

4441
02:35:20,140 --> 02:35:21,960
They really hate that guy.

4442
02:35:22,820 --> 02:35:24,600
He's been on Gutfeld and all these shows

4443
02:35:24,600 --> 02:35:25,360
on Fox a lot.

4444
02:35:25,620 --> 02:35:27,340
He's a really nice guy.

4445
02:35:27,820 --> 02:35:29,280
He does seem like a nice guy.

4446
02:35:29,340 --> 02:35:31,700
Oh, that's a neo-Nazi tattoo.

4447
02:35:32,300 --> 02:35:32,820
No.

4448
02:35:33,740 --> 02:35:36,420
Yeah, he's got the Jerusalem cross on his

4449
02:35:36,420 --> 02:35:36,900
chest.

4450
02:35:37,100 --> 02:35:37,500
It's huge.

4451
02:35:37,860 --> 02:35:38,340
Neo-Nazi.

4452
02:35:38,600 --> 02:35:39,360
Yeah, all right.

4453
02:35:40,560 --> 02:35:42,680
Okay, there's a lot of concern in the

4454
02:35:42,680 --> 02:35:47,380
ether for big agriculture, for big food and

4455
02:35:47,380 --> 02:35:48,020
big pharma.

4456
02:35:48,200 --> 02:35:50,820
They all know that RFK Jr. has his

4457
02:35:50,820 --> 02:35:53,780
target set on them, and we already played

4458
02:35:53,780 --> 02:35:55,280
the clip several times, what he's going to

4459
02:35:55,280 --> 02:35:55,620
do.

4460
02:35:55,980 --> 02:35:57,200
He's going to open up the vaults.

4461
02:35:57,200 --> 02:35:58,980
He's going to uncover everything, and there's a

4462
02:35:58,980 --> 02:35:59,740
lot to be hidden.

4463
02:35:59,740 --> 02:36:04,400
And the big food guys go first.

4464
02:36:05,500 --> 02:36:08,060
So this, I think, is the cover-up

4465
02:36:08,060 --> 02:36:10,220
story, the story you want everybody talking.

4466
02:36:10,340 --> 02:36:12,420
I think the lawsuit may even be bogus.

4467
02:36:12,620 --> 02:36:13,920
Well, it's a real lawsuit, but it's just

4468
02:36:13,920 --> 02:36:14,460
bogative.

4469
02:36:15,980 --> 02:36:18,000
This is, and it even made, I guess,

4470
02:36:18,500 --> 02:36:18,980
is it Nora?

4471
02:36:19,060 --> 02:36:19,720
Maybe it's CBS.

4472
02:36:20,360 --> 02:36:20,800
Oh, no.

4473
02:36:21,040 --> 02:36:22,140
Oh, this is the lawsuit.

4474
02:36:22,220 --> 02:36:23,960
Everybody pay attention to this lawsuit.

4475
02:36:25,080 --> 02:36:28,820
No, this is the NBC lady.

4476
02:36:29,740 --> 02:36:31,360
Sometimes we all just need a meal to

4477
02:36:31,360 --> 02:36:33,140
be fast and convenient, right?

4478
02:36:33,160 --> 02:36:34,760
Especially when you don't have time to cook.

4479
02:36:34,840 --> 02:36:36,440
So if you're at the grocery store, you're

4480
02:36:36,440 --> 02:36:37,980
looking at the aisles, maybe you'll pick out

4481
02:36:37,980 --> 02:36:40,100
something that you can make real quick, like

4482
02:36:40,100 --> 02:36:41,580
in minutes, maybe just three and a half

4483
02:36:41,580 --> 02:36:41,920
minutes.

4484
02:36:42,420 --> 02:36:43,700
But a Florida woman is now saying the

4485
02:36:43,700 --> 02:36:46,180
Kraft Heinz company misled people by claiming their

4486
02:36:46,180 --> 02:36:49,940
microwavable Velveeta shells and cheese is, quote, ready

4487
02:36:49,940 --> 02:36:51,360
in three and a half minutes.

4488
02:36:51,360 --> 02:36:53,440
She says that's actually not the case at

4489
02:36:53,440 --> 02:36:53,740
all.

4490
02:36:54,020 --> 02:36:56,860
It's raising bigger, broader questions about food marketing

4491
02:36:56,860 --> 02:36:59,060
in this country, consumers and companies.

4492
02:36:59,060 --> 02:37:00,340
Here's Zinhle Essamuah.

4493
02:37:01,480 --> 02:37:04,280
This microwavable pasta is at the center of

4494
02:37:04,280 --> 02:37:05,320
a new lawsuit.

4495
02:37:05,840 --> 02:37:08,420
Amanda Ramirez from Florida is suing food giant

4496
02:37:08,420 --> 02:37:11,880
Kraft Heinz, alleging the company misleads customers about

4497
02:37:11,880 --> 02:37:14,380
just how long it takes to prepare Velveeta

4498
02:37:14,380 --> 02:37:15,860
shells and cheese cups.

4499
02:37:16,300 --> 02:37:19,040
Velveeta shells and cheese packaging says ready in

4500
02:37:19,040 --> 02:37:21,340
three and a half minutes, but Ramirez says

4501
02:37:21,340 --> 02:37:24,340
the claim is false, since microwaving for three

4502
02:37:24,340 --> 02:37:26,500
and a half minutes is one of several

4503
02:37:26,500 --> 02:37:27,240
steps needed.

4504
02:37:27,240 --> 02:37:30,040
The suit alleges the company is misleading customers,

4505
02:37:30,260 --> 02:37:31,940
allowing the company to sell more of the

4506
02:37:31,940 --> 02:37:33,520
product at a higher price.

4507
02:37:33,680 --> 02:37:36,100
In a statement, representatives for the plaintiffs said

4508
02:37:36,100 --> 02:37:37,800
in part, I've gotten a lot of flack

4509
02:37:37,800 --> 02:37:40,840
about this case, but deceptive advertising is deceptive

4510
02:37:40,840 --> 02:37:43,760
advertising, and we want corporate America to be

4511
02:37:43,760 --> 02:37:45,160
straightforward and truthful.

4512
02:37:45,420 --> 02:37:48,060
So I think the media, the media, television

4513
02:37:48,060 --> 02:37:50,520
news, is playing this one up as, oh,

4514
02:37:50,560 --> 02:37:51,960
look at this crazy lawsuit.

4515
02:37:52,160 --> 02:37:53,440
Everyone can argue.

4516
02:37:53,680 --> 02:37:55,040
That's right, it takes me four and a

4517
02:37:55,040 --> 02:37:55,440
half minutes.

4518
02:37:55,440 --> 02:37:58,120
They're lying, they're lying.

4519
02:37:58,440 --> 02:38:03,360
The real lawsuit is obscure report, obscurely reported

4520
02:38:03,360 --> 02:38:04,120
like this.

4521
02:38:04,380 --> 02:38:07,120
A federal judge refused a request by Kraft

4522
02:38:07,120 --> 02:38:09,720
Heinz to dismiss a class action lawsuit against

4523
02:38:09,720 --> 02:38:12,440
it, accusing the food giant of lying about

4524
02:38:12,440 --> 02:38:14,760
its mac and cheese claims of no artificial

4525
02:38:14,760 --> 02:38:15,600
preservatives.

4526
02:38:16,220 --> 02:38:18,660
District Judge Mary Rowland ruled this week the

4527
02:38:18,660 --> 02:38:21,640
plaintiffs made a reasonable allegation the mac and

4528
02:38:21,640 --> 02:38:24,480
cheese contains a synthetic form of citric acid

4529
02:38:24,480 --> 02:38:27,840
and also has sodium phosphates, noting the synthetic

4530
02:38:27,840 --> 02:38:31,160
citric acid is different from the natural variety.

4531
02:38:31,760 --> 02:38:35,020
The lawsuit specifically alleges the ingredients were used

4532
02:38:35,020 --> 02:38:38,500
as preservatives, making Kraft Heinz's claim of no

4533
02:38:38,500 --> 02:38:42,040
artificial flavors, preservatives, or dyes on its labels

4534
02:38:42,040 --> 02:38:42,860
false.

4535
02:38:43,500 --> 02:38:46,800
Kraft Heinz contends the allegations are untrue, and

4536
02:38:46,800 --> 02:38:49,580
its ingredients do not contain artificial preservatives.

4537
02:38:50,080 --> 02:38:52,780
The plaintiffs are seeking damages for fraud and

4538
02:38:52,780 --> 02:38:55,080
violations of consumer protection laws.

4539
02:38:55,180 --> 02:38:57,260
So you watch, we'll see the morning shows

4540
02:38:57,260 --> 02:39:00,460
talk about the other lawsuit, which I think

4541
02:39:00,460 --> 02:39:02,300
was just set up so people talk about

4542
02:39:02,300 --> 02:39:02,760
that one.

4543
02:39:02,820 --> 02:39:03,620
A smokescreen.

4544
02:39:03,640 --> 02:39:05,240
It's a smokescreen, exactly.

4545
02:39:05,680 --> 02:39:06,120
A straw man.

4546
02:39:06,620 --> 02:39:09,280
And then, well, we got to really move

4547
02:39:09,280 --> 02:39:10,400
as fast as we can.

4548
02:39:10,460 --> 02:39:11,680
We don't have much time.

4549
02:39:11,780 --> 02:39:13,480
We've got to get as many big, the

4550
02:39:13,480 --> 02:39:17,820
biggest by far, the biggest pharmacological product of

4551
02:39:17,820 --> 02:39:18,620
the century.

4552
02:39:18,620 --> 02:39:22,340
We've got to get it moving before RFK

4553
02:39:22,340 --> 02:39:23,400
Jr. comes in.

4554
02:39:23,480 --> 02:39:24,480
Let's go, go, go, go.

4555
02:39:24,680 --> 02:39:27,060
The Biden administration is proposing a new rule

4556
02:39:27,060 --> 02:39:29,160
that would have popular weight loss drugs like

4557
02:39:29,160 --> 02:39:31,520
Ozempic covered by Medicare and Medicaid.

4558
02:39:32,080 --> 02:39:32,500
Public health.

4559
02:39:32,520 --> 02:39:34,740
By the way, did your Noah Jenner show

4560
02:39:34,740 --> 02:39:37,000
predict that a year ago?

4561
02:39:38,410 --> 02:39:39,410
That's what it's all been about.

4562
02:39:39,610 --> 02:39:40,370
The answer is yes.

4563
02:39:40,510 --> 02:39:43,350
Insurance programs already cover the medications for some

4564
02:39:43,350 --> 02:39:44,250
people with diabetes.

4565
02:39:44,890 --> 02:39:47,370
But this proposal would allow anyone considered obese,

4566
02:39:47,610 --> 02:39:49,390
meaning a body mass index of 30 or

4567
02:39:49,390 --> 02:39:51,670
higher, to also qualify for coverage.

4568
02:39:52,170 --> 02:39:54,430
The Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services, or

4569
02:39:54,430 --> 02:39:57,930
CMS, says 22% of Medicare recipients fall

4570
02:39:57,930 --> 02:39:58,950
into that category.

4571
02:39:59,410 --> 02:40:02,130
Without insurance coverage, these weight loss medications come

4572
02:40:02,130 --> 02:40:05,090
with a notoriously high price, some costing $1

4573
02:40:05,090 --> 02:40:06,310
,200 a month.

4574
02:40:06,830 --> 02:40:09,570
CMS estimates the proposed rule would cost as

4575
02:40:09,570 --> 02:40:12,110
much as $35 billion over the next 10

4576
02:40:12,110 --> 02:40:12,510
years.

4577
02:40:12,970 --> 02:40:15,630
CBS News medical contributor Dr. Celine Gounder joins

4578
02:40:15,630 --> 02:40:15,970
me now.

4579
02:40:16,030 --> 02:40:17,750
She's also the editor-at-large for public

4580
02:40:17,750 --> 02:40:19,350
health at KFF Health News.

4581
02:40:19,890 --> 02:40:21,970
Doctor, these drugs have been in the news...

4582
02:40:21,970 --> 02:40:23,370
Doctor, hold on a second.

4583
02:40:23,590 --> 02:40:24,690
The teleprompter's scrolling.

4584
02:40:24,870 --> 02:40:26,170
Let me get my scripts to ask you

4585
02:40:26,170 --> 02:40:27,130
the right question, Doctor.

4586
02:40:27,210 --> 02:40:28,950
The editor-at-large for public health at

4587
02:40:28,950 --> 02:40:30,090
KFF Health News.

4588
02:40:30,570 --> 02:40:32,610
Doctor, these drugs have been in the news

4589
02:40:32,610 --> 02:40:33,730
for months now.

4590
02:40:33,830 --> 02:40:36,330
What is the idea behind this, allowing more

4591
02:40:36,330 --> 02:40:39,570
insurance coverage so more people can essentially afford

4592
02:40:39,570 --> 02:40:40,190
this medication?

4593
02:40:40,610 --> 02:40:42,810
So this is really a recognition, a formal

4594
02:40:42,810 --> 02:40:46,090
recognition, that obesity is a chronic medical condition,

4595
02:40:46,090 --> 02:40:48,950
that taking these medications is not just about

4596
02:40:48,950 --> 02:40:52,050
weight loss to look more attractive, etc., but

4597
02:40:52,050 --> 02:40:53,670
really that it has an impact on your

4598
02:40:53,670 --> 02:40:53,870
health.

4599
02:40:54,030 --> 02:40:56,850
And what we are seeing is accumulating evidence

4600
02:40:56,850 --> 02:41:00,570
that whether you're talking about diabetes, cardiovascular disease,

4601
02:41:00,770 --> 02:41:05,530
stroke, kidney disease, dementia, different kinds of arthritis,

4602
02:41:05,770 --> 02:41:08,530
we are seeing that these medications have a

4603
02:41:08,530 --> 02:41:10,910
really beneficial impact for people who have obesity.

4604
02:41:11,130 --> 02:41:12,090
This is unbelievable.

4605
02:41:12,470 --> 02:41:15,530
First of all, accumulating evidence, you might as

4606
02:41:15,530 --> 02:41:19,370
well say no evidence, accumulating evidence that these

4607
02:41:19,370 --> 02:41:22,790
medications solve all these problems because you're no

4608
02:41:22,790 --> 02:41:23,690
longer obese.

4609
02:41:23,890 --> 02:41:27,750
It's not curing these problems, but that's how

4610
02:41:27,750 --> 02:41:29,550
they're positioning it, which is...

4611
02:41:29,550 --> 02:41:31,510
I like your catch there, because I would

4612
02:41:31,510 --> 02:41:32,290
have missed it.

4613
02:41:32,410 --> 02:41:37,170
The accumulating term, using accumulating, meaning it's like,

4614
02:41:37,490 --> 02:41:39,710
well, eventually we hope to see evidence.

4615
02:41:40,130 --> 02:41:43,770
Whatever you do, just remember RFK Jr. is

4616
02:41:43,770 --> 02:41:45,330
against this, really.

4617
02:41:45,370 --> 02:41:45,990
He's wrong.

4618
02:41:46,330 --> 02:41:47,990
Well, as you know, President-elect Trump has

4619
02:41:47,990 --> 02:41:48,690
picked Robert F.

4620
02:41:48,850 --> 02:41:50,290
Kennedy Jr. to lead the Department of Health

4621
02:41:50,290 --> 02:41:53,090
and Human Services, which encompasses the Centers for

4622
02:41:53,090 --> 02:41:54,850
Medicare and Medicaid, among other agencies.

4623
02:41:55,930 --> 02:41:58,750
Kennedy was on Fox News in October.

4624
02:41:59,230 --> 02:42:00,750
He was asked about a similar bill to

4625
02:42:00,750 --> 02:42:02,750
this proposal that would have covered weight loss

4626
02:42:02,750 --> 02:42:02,970
drugs.

4627
02:42:03,030 --> 02:42:03,650
Let's go ahead and listen.

4628
02:42:05,270 --> 02:42:08,250
That alone will cost $3 trillion a year.

4629
02:42:08,930 --> 02:42:11,610
If we spent about one-fifth of that

4630
02:42:12,750 --> 02:42:15,390
giving good food, three meals a day, to

4631
02:42:15,390 --> 02:42:17,790
every man, woman, and child in our country,

4632
02:42:17,910 --> 02:42:20,690
we could solve the obesity and diabetes epidemic

4633
02:42:20,690 --> 02:42:21,310
overnight.

4634
02:42:22,050 --> 02:42:23,770
A tiny fraction of the cost.

4635
02:42:24,370 --> 02:42:25,790
What is your reaction to that?

4636
02:42:25,790 --> 02:42:26,430
Is it that simple?

4637
02:42:27,070 --> 02:42:29,110
Well, look, the GLP-1 drugs, these weight

4638
02:42:29,110 --> 02:42:30,750
loss drugs, they're not the silver bullet.

4639
02:42:31,550 --> 02:42:33,810
Clearly, diet and exercise has not been the

4640
02:42:33,810 --> 02:42:34,790
silver bullet either.

4641
02:42:34,990 --> 02:42:36,570
I would talk about it as being silver

4642
02:42:36,570 --> 02:42:37,030
buckshot.

4643
02:42:37,170 --> 02:42:39,270
We need a lot of different solutions to

4644
02:42:39,270 --> 02:42:39,990
chip away at this.

4645
02:42:39,990 --> 02:42:45,250
The Biden administration, the FDA, has sent to

4646
02:42:45,250 --> 02:42:47,670
the White House proposed guidelines for front-of

4647
02:42:47,670 --> 02:42:49,590
-package food labeling to make it much more

4648
02:42:49,590 --> 02:42:52,370
clear to consumers, hey, this food is healthy

4649
02:42:52,370 --> 02:42:52,970
or not healthy.

4650
02:42:53,070 --> 02:42:54,590
It's really hard sometimes to read the fine

4651
02:42:54,590 --> 02:42:54,710
print.

4652
02:42:55,730 --> 02:42:57,950
I can see me walking into HEB.

4653
02:42:58,310 --> 02:42:58,790
What is this?

4654
02:42:58,870 --> 02:43:00,110
Hmm, this is not healthy.

4655
02:43:00,310 --> 02:43:01,510
I think I'll have some of that.

4656
02:43:01,750 --> 02:43:04,170
...to consumers, hey, this food is healthy or

4657
02:43:04,170 --> 02:43:04,590
not healthy.

4658
02:43:04,650 --> 02:43:06,310
It's really hard sometimes to read the fine

4659
02:43:06,310 --> 02:43:07,850
print and figure out what all that really

4660
02:43:07,850 --> 02:43:08,250
means.

4661
02:43:09,410 --> 02:43:11,010
We're waiting to see if the White House

4662
02:43:11,010 --> 02:43:11,730
signs off on that.

4663
02:43:11,770 --> 02:43:13,830
But that would be another strategy for addressing

4664
02:43:13,830 --> 02:43:16,150
the obesity problem from another perspective.

4665
02:43:16,550 --> 02:43:20,250
We also know that the incoming administration has

4666
02:43:20,250 --> 02:43:23,350
Medicare and Medicaid in the crosshairs for budget

4667
02:43:23,350 --> 02:43:23,710
cuts.

4668
02:43:24,130 --> 02:43:26,750
And so something, a rule like this, with

4669
02:43:26,750 --> 02:43:29,070
respect to the weight loss drugs, that would

4670
02:43:29,070 --> 02:43:32,550
increase spending by Medicare and Medicaid really don't

4671
02:43:32,550 --> 02:43:34,990
seem very consistent with those plans to cut

4672
02:43:34,990 --> 02:43:35,370
the budget.

4673
02:43:35,490 --> 02:43:36,970
You're bloody, bloody, bloody, blah.

4674
02:43:36,970 --> 02:43:38,290
Boy, they're just doing this.

4675
02:43:38,370 --> 02:43:39,410
She's doing the soft shoe.

4676
02:43:39,490 --> 02:43:42,050
She's doing a tap dance just to promoto

4677
02:43:42,050 --> 02:43:42,570
-zemp it.

4678
02:43:42,910 --> 02:43:45,410
The silver buckshot of all things.

4679
02:43:45,410 --> 02:43:46,070
I love silver.

4680
02:43:46,210 --> 02:43:47,250
That's a great show title.

4681
02:43:47,390 --> 02:43:47,630
It is.

4682
02:43:47,910 --> 02:43:50,010
And she says, oh, diet and exercise.

4683
02:43:50,090 --> 02:43:52,570
No, you need, stop with the mac and

4684
02:43:52,570 --> 02:43:53,770
cheese, people.

4685
02:43:54,090 --> 02:43:56,030
It's not real cheese.

4686
02:43:56,650 --> 02:43:58,870
And it may not even be real mac.

4687
02:43:59,870 --> 02:44:01,490
It's crap and cheese.

4688
02:44:01,850 --> 02:44:03,190
Crap and not really cheese.

4689
02:44:04,910 --> 02:44:08,270
Education in your elite schools, please.

4690
02:44:08,570 --> 02:44:08,890
Last clip.

4691
02:44:08,970 --> 02:44:10,850
So you think it's probable that when the

4692
02:44:10,850 --> 02:44:12,610
next administration comes in, it would get rolled

4693
02:44:12,610 --> 02:44:12,830
back?

4694
02:44:12,930 --> 02:44:15,870
I mean, you understand sort of these public

4695
02:44:15,870 --> 02:44:17,630
health rulemaking better than anyone.

4696
02:44:17,830 --> 02:44:20,670
How long would something like this take in

4697
02:44:20,670 --> 02:44:21,570
order to come into effect?

4698
02:44:21,670 --> 02:44:24,010
Will anyone even feel the effects before the

4699
02:44:24,010 --> 02:44:25,130
next administration comes in?

4700
02:44:25,210 --> 02:44:27,310
So with respect to the weight loss drugs,

4701
02:44:27,390 --> 02:44:29,670
the Trump administration would have to finalize that.

4702
02:44:29,730 --> 02:44:31,610
So that would not be until after inauguration,

4703
02:44:31,610 --> 02:44:33,070
based on the current timeline.

4704
02:44:33,190 --> 02:44:35,810
With respect to the FDA food package labeling,

4705
02:44:36,610 --> 02:44:38,350
assuming the White House signs off, then you

4706
02:44:38,350 --> 02:44:39,830
would have to open that up for public

4707
02:44:39,830 --> 02:44:40,210
comment.

4708
02:44:40,430 --> 02:44:42,130
And again, it would be the Trump administration

4709
02:44:42,130 --> 02:44:43,650
that would finally act on that.

4710
02:44:43,710 --> 02:44:45,390
So first of all, we're talking about months

4711
02:44:45,390 --> 02:44:46,510
to years in some cases.

4712
02:44:46,930 --> 02:44:47,070
Oh, good.

4713
02:44:47,390 --> 02:44:50,370
With Medicare and the weight loss drugs, we're

4714
02:44:50,370 --> 02:44:52,530
talking about 2026 at the earliest.

4715
02:44:52,770 --> 02:44:52,910
Okay.

4716
02:44:53,550 --> 02:44:55,670
But even so, a lot of this will

4717
02:44:55,670 --> 02:44:57,350
just depend on how the politics play out

4718
02:44:57,350 --> 02:44:58,730
in the incoming administration.

4719
02:44:59,550 --> 02:45:03,110
This, the whole industry, the keep people sick

4720
02:45:03,110 --> 02:45:07,410
industry is so, and finance, the insurance industry,

4721
02:45:07,530 --> 02:45:10,630
you know, the Zoomer, she was here for

4722
02:45:10,630 --> 02:45:12,370
the summer, she got her knee operated on

4723
02:45:12,370 --> 02:45:15,090
because she tore her meniscus.

4724
02:45:16,810 --> 02:45:20,210
So outpatient, now she is on the Affordable

4725
02:45:20,210 --> 02:45:24,230
Care Act because she's very poor, and which

4726
02:45:24,230 --> 02:45:26,530
is in this case good because she got

4727
02:45:26,530 --> 02:45:29,690
affordable care and she had to pay, I'm

4728
02:45:29,690 --> 02:45:33,670
sorry, we had to pay, I think, $1

4729
02:45:33,670 --> 02:45:35,930
,100 out of pocket for the surgery.

4730
02:45:36,350 --> 02:45:36,490
Okay.

4731
02:45:36,890 --> 02:45:37,870
But it seems fair.

4732
02:45:37,990 --> 02:45:38,610
It's reasonable.

4733
02:45:38,830 --> 02:45:39,490
Very reasonable.

4734
02:45:40,810 --> 02:45:43,050
So it's an outpatient, it's in and out

4735
02:45:43,050 --> 02:45:44,530
same day, good to go.

4736
02:45:45,650 --> 02:45:48,970
So we got the bill today, which shows

4737
02:45:48,970 --> 02:45:50,490
what insurance paid, et cetera, et cetera.

4738
02:45:50,630 --> 02:45:52,150
So what do you think the bill was?

4739
02:45:52,330 --> 02:45:55,390
Just the bill that the hospital billed the

4740
02:45:55,390 --> 02:45:59,230
insurance company for this procedure, one knee, one

4741
02:45:59,230 --> 02:45:59,890
torn meniscus?

4742
02:46:00,950 --> 02:46:05,050
Well, having experience in this with these deals,

4743
02:46:06,010 --> 02:46:07,770
I can tell my story after you're done.

4744
02:46:09,470 --> 02:46:11,390
I would guess $45,000.

4745
02:46:13,570 --> 02:46:14,690
$119,000.

4746
02:46:15,050 --> 02:46:15,890
I'm low.

4747
02:46:17,390 --> 02:46:20,310
The insurance company- Wait, let's back off.

4748
02:46:20,410 --> 02:46:21,370
This was outpatient.

4749
02:46:21,450 --> 02:46:21,970
Outpatient.

4750
02:46:22,650 --> 02:46:23,690
Then you go in.

4751
02:46:24,190 --> 02:46:24,890
And you go out.

4752
02:46:25,270 --> 02:46:26,130
And you go out.

4753
02:46:26,130 --> 02:46:27,750
So you go in, they do the quick

4754
02:46:27,750 --> 02:46:29,290
operation, poking away.

4755
02:46:29,890 --> 02:46:31,950
And then you go out, and that's $120

4756
02:46:31,950 --> 02:46:32,390
,000.

4757
02:46:32,850 --> 02:46:34,710
That was just the hospital, not the surgeon,

4758
02:46:34,930 --> 02:46:36,310
not the anesthesiologist.

4759
02:46:37,510 --> 02:46:38,770
So I'll just leave it at that.

4760
02:46:39,390 --> 02:46:43,530
The insurance company paid the hospital how much,

4761
02:46:43,570 --> 02:46:43,950
do you think?

4762
02:46:44,690 --> 02:46:49,210
I'm sorry, they settled on an amount.

4763
02:46:49,730 --> 02:46:51,510
What do you think the settled amount was?

4764
02:46:52,030 --> 02:46:54,290
Wait, this is above and beyond the 120?

4765
02:46:54,450 --> 02:46:54,850
No, no.

4766
02:46:54,850 --> 02:46:57,690
So no one is going to pay $119

4767
02:46:57,690 --> 02:46:58,170
,000.

4768
02:46:58,610 --> 02:46:59,570
No one has that.

4769
02:46:59,690 --> 02:47:00,470
It's not going to happen.

4770
02:47:01,010 --> 02:47:04,830
So then the insurance company does a deal

4771
02:47:04,830 --> 02:47:07,910
with the hospital, and they wind up paying

4772
02:47:07,910 --> 02:47:09,190
the hospital how much?

4773
02:47:12,890 --> 02:47:14,830
Am I going to guess higher or lower?

4774
02:47:15,030 --> 02:47:15,550
No, lower.

4775
02:47:15,710 --> 02:47:16,250
Much lower.

4776
02:47:16,350 --> 02:47:17,450
Yeah, $60,000.

4777
02:47:17,570 --> 02:47:18,630
No, $20,000.

4778
02:47:19,350 --> 02:47:22,970
And then the hospital says, well, the bill

4779
02:47:22,970 --> 02:47:25,770
was really $2112, so you owe us $1

4780
02:47:25,770 --> 02:47:30,290
,200, which is probably a reasonable amount for

4781
02:47:30,290 --> 02:47:30,530
the surgeon.

4782
02:47:30,530 --> 02:47:30,630
What?

4783
02:47:30,810 --> 02:47:31,250
Oh, yeah.

4784
02:47:31,490 --> 02:47:32,710
This is ridiculous.

4785
02:47:33,070 --> 02:47:33,290
Yep.

4786
02:47:33,510 --> 02:47:38,230
The anesthesiologist, I think was, Tina would know,

4787
02:47:38,310 --> 02:47:39,990
but it was something like $17,000.

4788
02:47:40,370 --> 02:47:43,530
He winds up getting $550,000, which is

4789
02:47:43,530 --> 02:47:44,070
reasonable.

4790
02:47:45,290 --> 02:47:47,330
So they just have all these numbers going

4791
02:47:47,330 --> 02:47:49,570
back and forth, and they always try to

4792
02:47:49,570 --> 02:47:50,510
just soak you.

4793
02:47:51,070 --> 02:47:54,130
But, well, I'm sorry, insurance only covers $20

4794
02:47:54,130 --> 02:47:55,530
,000, so you have to pay the $1

4795
02:47:55,530 --> 02:47:57,510
,200 out of pocket on top of the

4796
02:47:57,510 --> 02:47:59,670
$1,000 you already paid, which is really

4797
02:47:59,670 --> 02:48:03,430
$2,400, kind of reasonable just for the

4798
02:48:03,430 --> 02:48:06,230
hospital, for a bed, a room, in and

4799
02:48:06,230 --> 02:48:07,210
out, boom, done.

4800
02:48:07,990 --> 02:48:08,430
Yeah.

4801
02:48:09,610 --> 02:48:12,030
But if you had no insurance, then you're

4802
02:48:12,030 --> 02:48:13,310
screwed for the rest of your life.

4803
02:48:15,770 --> 02:48:16,210
Right.

4804
02:48:16,270 --> 02:48:17,690
That's why they forced insurance.

4805
02:48:17,850 --> 02:48:19,470
Yeah, you'd have to pay the $119,000.

4806
02:48:19,750 --> 02:48:20,030
Yeah.

4807
02:48:20,490 --> 02:48:21,530
Yeah, that's the point.

4808
02:48:21,530 --> 02:48:21,810
Yeah.

4809
02:48:22,050 --> 02:48:25,250
This was a – probably something like this

4810
02:48:25,250 --> 02:48:29,050
happened when Jay had her appendix taken out

4811
02:48:29,050 --> 02:48:30,870
when I was working for Mevio, and Mevio

4812
02:48:30,870 --> 02:48:32,670
was – Blue Cross picked it up.

4813
02:48:32,810 --> 02:48:33,090
Mm-hmm.

4814
02:48:34,170 --> 02:48:37,010
And the bill was – and this was

4815
02:48:37,010 --> 02:48:37,490
outpatient.

4816
02:48:37,630 --> 02:48:41,870
She went in, you know, gave her a

4817
02:48:41,870 --> 02:48:43,490
local or something, and then they went in

4818
02:48:43,490 --> 02:48:44,430
with two probes.

4819
02:48:44,610 --> 02:48:46,390
They didn't even cut her open.

4820
02:48:46,490 --> 02:48:47,430
They just had these little – No, just

4821
02:48:47,430 --> 02:48:48,810
stick a little tube in there, a little

4822
02:48:48,810 --> 02:48:49,510
fiber optic.

4823
02:48:49,570 --> 02:48:50,150
A couple tubes, yeah.

4824
02:48:50,150 --> 02:48:51,570
One tube to look and the other one

4825
02:48:51,570 --> 02:48:51,910
to cut.

4826
02:48:52,850 --> 02:48:55,990
Pull out the appendix and then patch her

4827
02:48:55,990 --> 02:48:58,590
up, and out she goes, $35,000.

4828
02:48:59,210 --> 02:48:59,610
Nice.

4829
02:49:01,670 --> 02:49:03,930
And then to make it even more of

4830
02:49:03,930 --> 02:49:06,750
a joke, so this is the kicker, was

4831
02:49:06,750 --> 02:49:09,830
after I had left Mevio because I'd moved

4832
02:49:09,830 --> 02:49:13,270
to L.A., they also got rid of

4833
02:49:13,270 --> 02:49:13,370
me.

4834
02:49:13,390 --> 02:49:14,810
They didn't even offer me a job down

4835
02:49:14,810 --> 02:49:14,950
there.

4836
02:49:15,430 --> 02:49:17,430
And one of the reasons was because of

4837
02:49:17,430 --> 02:49:18,550
the – It was ageism.

4838
02:49:18,610 --> 02:49:19,910
It was ageism, I tell you.

4839
02:49:19,910 --> 02:49:21,710
Well, it was – there was ageism involved.

4840
02:49:21,810 --> 02:49:24,030
There's no doubt about that, but the –

4841
02:49:24,030 --> 02:49:24,750
and I should have sued.

4842
02:49:25,290 --> 02:49:30,150
But they told me afterwards that what they

4843
02:49:30,150 --> 02:49:32,250
were paying for my Blue Cross.

4844
02:49:33,170 --> 02:49:35,550
Yeah, you told me this, like $5,000

4845
02:49:35,550 --> 02:49:36,450
a month or something.

4846
02:49:36,530 --> 02:49:38,270
$4,500 a month.

4847
02:49:38,410 --> 02:49:39,630
But that was for the whole family.

4848
02:49:41,840 --> 02:49:43,020
Oh, gee, yeah.

4849
02:49:43,580 --> 02:49:45,160
Me, Mimi, and Jay.

4850
02:49:45,900 --> 02:49:47,900
The kids are all grown up, so it

4851
02:49:47,900 --> 02:49:48,960
was only the three of us.

4852
02:49:48,960 --> 02:49:50,600
That's why we have crowd health, man.

4853
02:49:50,600 --> 02:49:51,860
We've got the crowd health.

4854
02:49:52,180 --> 02:49:53,720
That's how that works out.

4855
02:49:54,000 --> 02:49:54,920
It works very well.

4856
02:49:55,600 --> 02:49:56,080
It's a scam.

4857
02:49:56,080 --> 02:49:57,840
It's a scambola.

4858
02:49:58,100 --> 02:50:00,620
Yeah, but Tina has used – these collectives,

4859
02:50:00,680 --> 02:50:01,540
they work very well.

4860
02:50:01,680 --> 02:50:03,960
They negotiate with the hospital.

4861
02:50:04,100 --> 02:50:06,160
The hospital says, okay, well, it's really $20

4862
02:50:06,160 --> 02:50:06,880
,000, okay.

4863
02:50:07,180 --> 02:50:11,660
When I was a kid, this system never

4864
02:50:11,660 --> 02:50:12,260
existed.

4865
02:50:12,360 --> 02:50:13,980
You just rubbed dirt on it and kept

4866
02:50:13,980 --> 02:50:14,380
going.

4867
02:50:14,540 --> 02:50:17,360
No, they had doctors that did house calls.

4868
02:50:17,400 --> 02:50:19,000
Oh, yes, good times.

4869
02:50:19,000 --> 02:50:22,320
In their Cadillacs, did very well for themselves.

4870
02:50:22,580 --> 02:50:23,960
Everybody paid cash.

4871
02:50:24,340 --> 02:50:27,000
There was no insurance in between, no go

4872
02:50:27,000 --> 02:50:27,440
-to in the middle.

4873
02:50:27,440 --> 02:50:28,040
Here's a chicken.

4874
02:50:28,220 --> 02:50:28,900
Here's a chicken.

4875
02:50:29,460 --> 02:50:30,260
TooManyEggs.com.

4876
02:50:30,380 --> 02:50:31,040
Thanks, Doc.

4877
02:50:31,180 --> 02:50:32,160
Yeah, Doc Holloway.

4878
02:50:32,300 --> 02:50:32,940
We love you, man.

4879
02:50:33,100 --> 02:50:35,300
And there was – you pay cash.

4880
02:50:35,720 --> 02:50:38,200
The prices were reasonable, but they were –

4881
02:50:38,200 --> 02:50:39,580
it was a doctor, so you had to

4882
02:50:39,580 --> 02:50:40,180
pay something.

4883
02:50:40,440 --> 02:50:40,660
Yeah.

4884
02:50:40,880 --> 02:50:43,280
And they made good money, but if you

4885
02:50:43,280 --> 02:50:45,120
look at the real – the kicker here

4886
02:50:45,120 --> 02:50:46,020
is all you have to do is look

4887
02:50:46,020 --> 02:50:48,220
at these insurance companies and the billions and

4888
02:50:48,220 --> 02:50:49,920
the billions and the billions of dollars that

4889
02:50:49,920 --> 02:50:52,840
they put on their annual report of profit.

4890
02:50:53,100 --> 02:50:55,440
That money is being taken out of your

4891
02:50:55,440 --> 02:50:58,280
pocket to support just a bunch of bureaucrats

4892
02:50:58,280 --> 02:50:59,480
in an insurance company.

4893
02:50:59,840 --> 02:51:00,980
Which is a bank, basically.

4894
02:51:01,480 --> 02:51:04,680
Yeah, so this is not a healthcare system

4895
02:51:04,680 --> 02:51:05,040
at all.

4896
02:51:05,140 --> 02:51:05,780
This is a scam.

4897
02:51:05,980 --> 02:51:07,660
It's a scam care system, yes.

4898
02:51:08,240 --> 02:51:09,460
We're going to wrap it up, John.

4899
02:51:09,500 --> 02:51:10,200
I have one more clip.

4900
02:51:10,300 --> 02:51:13,160
It's an important development that has taken place

4901
02:51:13,160 --> 02:51:15,420
in Australia, the first of its kind ever

4902
02:51:15,420 --> 02:51:16,240
in the world.

4903
02:51:16,240 --> 02:51:19,100
Australia has gotten closer to banning children under

4904
02:51:19,100 --> 02:51:20,820
16 from using social media.

4905
02:51:21,120 --> 02:51:23,000
The country's House of Representatives passed the bill

4906
02:51:23,000 --> 02:51:25,520
today, leaving it to the Senate to finalize

4907
02:51:25,520 --> 02:51:26,980
the law, which would be the first of

4908
02:51:26,980 --> 02:51:28,100
its kind in the world.

4909
02:51:28,600 --> 02:51:30,400
The law would make platforms like TikTok and

4910
02:51:30,400 --> 02:51:32,780
Instagram liable for fines of up to 50

4911
02:51:32,780 --> 02:51:35,520
million Australian dollars if they fail to prevent

4912
02:51:35,520 --> 02:51:37,180
young children from holding accounts.

4913
02:51:37,640 --> 02:51:39,680
Those platforms would have one year to work

4914
02:51:39,680 --> 02:51:42,000
out how to implement the age restrictions before

4915
02:51:42,000 --> 02:51:43,120
the penalties are enforced.

4916
02:51:43,320 --> 02:51:44,960
This is a very interesting development.

4917
02:51:45,480 --> 02:51:46,520
It's a testing ground.

4918
02:51:46,520 --> 02:51:47,540
Yeah, you know what's good about it?

4919
02:51:47,580 --> 02:51:49,540
It's definitely going to work because, for example,

4920
02:51:50,020 --> 02:51:51,840
when you're a 60 or, let's say, a

4921
02:51:51,840 --> 02:51:53,520
14-year-old, there's no way you're ever

4922
02:51:53,520 --> 02:51:55,820
going to get any alcohol or even drive

4923
02:51:55,820 --> 02:51:57,380
a car or do anything like that or

4924
02:51:57,380 --> 02:52:00,420
smoke weed in the bathroom because it's illegal.

4925
02:52:00,820 --> 02:52:02,920
So none of those things happen with kids,

4926
02:52:03,080 --> 02:52:03,540
teens.

4927
02:52:03,860 --> 02:52:04,100
No, no.

4928
02:52:04,240 --> 02:52:05,740
So how are they going to do this?

4929
02:52:06,060 --> 02:52:07,780
So this will definitely work because kids are

4930
02:52:07,780 --> 02:52:08,240
stupid.

4931
02:52:08,380 --> 02:52:09,080
They don't know anything.

4932
02:52:09,320 --> 02:52:10,960
Like Kamala said, they're stupid.

4933
02:52:11,300 --> 02:52:13,060
They don't know how a VPN works.

4934
02:52:13,060 --> 02:52:14,560
And then when one of them finds out,

4935
02:52:14,580 --> 02:52:15,680
they don't tell the others.

4936
02:52:16,060 --> 02:52:16,820
That never happens.

4937
02:52:17,780 --> 02:52:18,260
Okay.

4938
02:52:18,860 --> 02:52:19,100
Yeah.

4939
02:52:19,240 --> 02:52:20,140
Just saying.

4940
02:52:20,280 --> 02:52:21,140
Just throwing that out there.

4941
02:52:21,380 --> 02:52:22,180
I understand.

4942
02:52:22,460 --> 02:52:24,400
But it's going to be interesting to see

4943
02:52:24,400 --> 02:52:24,560
how.

4944
02:52:24,720 --> 02:52:27,840
And there's amendments now being proposed that, you

4945
02:52:27,840 --> 02:52:28,840
know, you can't require.

4946
02:52:29,100 --> 02:52:31,220
So not only can you not have kids

4947
02:52:31,220 --> 02:52:34,400
under 16 using your product, but you can't

4948
02:52:34,400 --> 02:52:36,860
force, you can't tell governments that they need

4949
02:52:36,860 --> 02:52:38,220
to provide digital IDs.

4950
02:52:38,420 --> 02:52:40,520
So the whole thing is a mess.

4951
02:52:40,520 --> 02:52:42,340
I don't know how they're going to do

4952
02:52:42,340 --> 02:52:42,580
it.

4953
02:52:43,180 --> 02:52:45,000
Doesn't it just come down to parents?

4954
02:52:45,320 --> 02:52:46,560
There are a lot of parents around here

4955
02:52:46,560 --> 02:52:49,340
who just, you know, I've been at dinner

4956
02:52:49,340 --> 02:52:51,780
with parents and their young boys, you know,

4957
02:52:51,820 --> 02:52:56,340
ages ranging seven to 13, 14.

4958
02:52:56,860 --> 02:52:58,800
And we'll be having pizza and we're chatting.

4959
02:52:59,000 --> 02:53:00,800
And then they say, you know, because everyone

4960
02:53:00,800 --> 02:53:02,600
always loves my phone, my flip phone.

4961
02:53:02,720 --> 02:53:04,120
Like that's kind of fun.

4962
02:53:04,660 --> 02:53:06,800
And I said, well, our kids aren't allowed

4963
02:53:06,800 --> 02:53:07,720
to have phones.

4964
02:53:08,680 --> 02:53:10,460
And they understand why.

4965
02:53:10,500 --> 02:53:13,300
And you always look at the boys and

4966
02:53:13,300 --> 02:53:15,420
they always have that really sad look on

4967
02:53:15,420 --> 02:53:16,160
their face.

4968
02:53:16,400 --> 02:53:18,840
It's like, I'm the outcast of the group.

4969
02:53:19,000 --> 02:53:20,160
I don't have a phone.

4970
02:53:20,460 --> 02:53:21,940
But the parents are doing it.

4971
02:53:22,000 --> 02:53:23,380
And there's a lot of parents who make

4972
02:53:23,380 --> 02:53:24,080
agreements.

4973
02:53:25,160 --> 02:53:29,120
My buddy, Dave Jones, the parents within the

4974
02:53:29,120 --> 02:53:31,560
school, within the class that his daughter goes

4975
02:53:31,560 --> 02:53:34,260
to, they've all organized themselves.

4976
02:53:34,360 --> 02:53:35,560
They got together and said, we're all going

4977
02:53:35,560 --> 02:53:37,360
to agree, no phones for these kids.

4978
02:53:37,500 --> 02:53:38,840
And none of them have phones.

4979
02:53:39,660 --> 02:53:41,980
It's good development here in Fredericksburg.

4980
02:53:42,380 --> 02:53:43,620
No phones in the school.

4981
02:53:45,040 --> 02:53:47,160
That should be, I don't understand why their

4982
02:53:47,160 --> 02:53:49,020
phones in the school in the first place.

4983
02:53:49,280 --> 02:53:52,100
How did it ever become okay to have

4984
02:53:52,100 --> 02:53:53,700
phones in the school?

4985
02:53:53,920 --> 02:53:56,300
It's the parents who say, well, I might

4986
02:53:56,300 --> 02:53:58,140
need to reach my daughter or she might

4987
02:53:58,140 --> 02:54:00,220
need to reach me in an emergency.

4988
02:54:00,960 --> 02:54:02,080
How often does that happen?

4989
02:54:02,420 --> 02:54:04,440
But it's like having a, it's like, if

4990
02:54:04,440 --> 02:54:06,580
you go, I remember in the olden days,

4991
02:54:06,660 --> 02:54:09,060
you'd go to some restaurant in Beverly Hills

4992
02:54:09,060 --> 02:54:11,480
and there'd be some, some top producer.

4993
02:54:11,660 --> 02:54:13,300
They'd put a phone on his table.

4994
02:54:13,560 --> 02:54:15,020
It was like a phone with a wire.

4995
02:54:15,800 --> 02:54:18,400
It's like, excuse me, Mrs. Dvorak, phone call

4996
02:54:18,400 --> 02:54:18,880
for you.

4997
02:54:19,500 --> 02:54:21,220
And so you have that situation.

4998
02:54:21,400 --> 02:54:22,660
And that was always seen as like a

4999
02:54:22,660 --> 02:54:23,560
little bit pretentious.

5000
02:54:23,640 --> 02:54:27,000
Now everybody has a phone at the, at

5001
02:54:27,000 --> 02:54:27,600
the restaurant.

5002
02:54:27,660 --> 02:54:29,560
And there was a, the first few years

5003
02:54:29,560 --> 02:54:31,620
of these phones that restaurants people would, ah,

5004
02:54:31,680 --> 02:54:32,620
it's rude.

5005
02:54:32,620 --> 02:54:34,360
People were talking on the phone in the

5006
02:54:34,360 --> 02:54:34,780
restaurant.

5007
02:54:35,020 --> 02:54:37,380
And then after a while, it's just caved.

5008
02:54:37,500 --> 02:54:37,940
And they're okay.

5009
02:54:38,120 --> 02:54:39,800
So now everybody's on the phone all the

5010
02:54:39,800 --> 02:54:40,700
time, everywhere.

5011
02:54:41,260 --> 02:54:44,100
It's like, ah, how did it become okay

5012
02:54:44,100 --> 02:54:45,440
for that?

5013
02:54:45,500 --> 02:54:46,920
And how did it become okay to have

5014
02:54:46,920 --> 02:54:49,640
a phone, a phone that can ring in

5015
02:54:49,640 --> 02:54:50,500
a classroom?

5016
02:54:51,240 --> 02:54:53,020
It's not about the phone port.

5017
02:54:53,140 --> 02:54:54,480
It's about the internet part.

5018
02:54:54,560 --> 02:54:55,380
It's about the apps.

5019
02:54:55,460 --> 02:54:57,260
It's about the dopamine hits.

5020
02:54:57,280 --> 02:54:59,480
It's about the, the social media.

5021
02:54:59,740 --> 02:55:01,140
It's about, it's about, it's about why do

5022
02:55:01,140 --> 02:55:02,120
they allow it?

5023
02:55:02,120 --> 02:55:05,240
If we were running the country, things would

5024
02:55:05,240 --> 02:55:06,300
be better.

5025
02:55:20,400 --> 02:55:23,440
Yes, we do some exciting things on the

5026
02:55:23,440 --> 02:55:27,320
way, including, including John's tip of the day.

5027
02:55:27,640 --> 02:55:29,860
We also, we have a couple of doctors

5028
02:55:29,860 --> 02:55:32,660
of education to congratulate today, along with title

5029
02:55:32,660 --> 02:55:34,620
change at a night and of course some

5030
02:55:34,620 --> 02:55:35,020
meetups.

5031
02:55:35,120 --> 02:55:36,780
But first we want to thank everybody who

5032
02:55:36,780 --> 02:55:39,080
supported this particular episode of the no agenda

5033
02:55:39,080 --> 02:55:41,160
show $50 or above.

5034
02:55:42,120 --> 02:55:45,040
Yeah, there's a few starting with Francis.

5035
02:55:45,220 --> 02:55:48,020
She, he, and worse Worcester, sorry.

5036
02:55:48,940 --> 02:55:51,820
Worcester, Massachusetts, Worcester, Worcester.

5037
02:55:52,220 --> 02:55:54,500
This is pronounced Worcester, Worcester.

5038
02:55:54,500 --> 02:56:00,200
Uh, one 50 Matthew Lambert in food, quave

5039
02:56:00,200 --> 02:56:00,640
arena.

5040
02:56:01,120 --> 02:56:01,560
Fouquet.

5041
02:56:01,740 --> 02:56:02,200
It's Fouquet.

5042
02:56:02,480 --> 02:56:02,660
Yeah.

5043
02:56:02,740 --> 02:56:03,120
Fouquet.

5044
02:56:03,300 --> 02:56:03,580
Fouquet.

5045
02:56:03,780 --> 02:56:05,160
I get the Worcester, but I got the

5046
02:56:05,160 --> 02:56:05,800
Fouquet wrong.

5047
02:56:06,260 --> 02:56:07,140
North Carolina.

5048
02:56:07,320 --> 02:56:11,780
One 33 state golden pony boy.

5049
02:56:11,820 --> 02:56:12,780
What does that mean?

5050
02:56:13,440 --> 02:56:16,580
Uh, Katie Menon in silver Bay, New York.

5051
02:56:16,700 --> 02:56:17,440
One, one, one.

5052
02:56:17,560 --> 02:56:18,360
Dot one, one.

5053
02:56:20,780 --> 02:56:22,540
Uh, Talia Talia.

5054
02:56:23,520 --> 02:56:26,780
Dole pre D E U P R E

5055
02:56:26,780 --> 02:56:29,320
E in McKinney, McKinney, Texas.

5056
02:56:30,300 --> 02:56:31,040
And thank you.

5057
02:56:31,160 --> 02:56:32,860
She says, thank you for working on my

5058
02:56:32,860 --> 02:56:34,660
birthday, which is also Thanksgiving.

5059
02:56:35,020 --> 02:56:35,640
There you go.

5060
02:56:36,260 --> 02:56:37,280
She turns 40 41.

5061
02:56:37,420 --> 02:56:38,140
She's on the list.

5062
02:56:38,600 --> 02:56:41,820
Anonymous in Columbus, Ohio, a hundred, uh, John

5063
02:56:41,820 --> 02:56:50,340
Catalano in house Springs, Missouri, 100 Alexandra Jagadish

5064
02:56:50,340 --> 02:56:53,400
in Western Springs, Illinois.

5065
02:56:54,820 --> 02:56:59,800
That's a hundred Catherine McCloskey in Brookline, Massachusetts.

5066
02:57:00,300 --> 02:57:05,920
One hundred Brian Dowd, Brian Dowd in Stockholm,

5067
02:57:06,220 --> 02:57:08,040
New Jersey, 84 38.

5068
02:57:09,760 --> 02:57:12,420
I guess that's eight Oh eight with some

5069
02:57:12,420 --> 02:57:12,880
fees.

5070
02:57:13,440 --> 02:57:13,660
Yeah.

5071
02:57:13,700 --> 02:57:15,520
Cause he says lover of boobs.

5072
02:57:15,680 --> 02:57:16,260
That's right.

5073
02:57:16,500 --> 02:57:20,840
Robert Smiley in Holland, Pennsylvania, eight dot eight,

5074
02:57:20,840 --> 02:57:21,140
eight.

5075
02:57:21,600 --> 02:57:23,260
Another birthday call out.

5076
02:57:25,120 --> 02:57:31,480
Jan, Brooke, Jan, Brooke, Brooke, Brooke, Brooke, Brooke,

5077
02:57:31,700 --> 02:57:35,220
Brooke, Brooke, not even close.

5078
02:57:35,820 --> 02:57:37,960
Smilde, Smilde.

5079
02:57:38,160 --> 02:57:38,720
That's what I said.

5080
02:57:38,960 --> 02:57:39,280
Yes.

5081
02:57:40,000 --> 02:57:41,420
And he came in with eight Oh, Oh

5082
02:57:41,420 --> 02:57:41,720
eight.

5083
02:57:42,540 --> 02:57:44,680
He says, this is the second boob donation

5084
02:57:44,680 --> 02:57:45,180
for 20.

5085
02:57:45,300 --> 02:57:45,520
Good.

5086
02:57:45,580 --> 02:57:46,380
You got a balance.

5087
02:57:46,820 --> 02:57:50,280
Uh, boom, Kevin McLaughlin, from Concord, North Carolina,

5088
02:57:50,460 --> 02:57:53,440
donation, Archduke, a Luna lover of America and

5089
02:57:53,440 --> 02:57:54,600
boobs with eight Oh, Oh, eight.

5090
02:57:54,820 --> 02:57:57,880
Another eight Oh, Oh, eight from sir.

5091
02:57:57,920 --> 02:58:01,140
Herb lamb and sugary hill, Georgia serve fast.

5092
02:58:01,220 --> 02:58:04,140
Freddie and Alameda, California, eight Oh, Oh, eight

5093
02:58:04,140 --> 02:58:05,440
sir.

5094
02:58:05,500 --> 02:58:06,040
Tooth fairy.

5095
02:58:06,940 --> 02:58:09,140
You do do God's work.

5096
02:58:09,180 --> 02:58:11,940
He says, you guys do do God's work.

5097
02:58:12,340 --> 02:58:12,940
We do do.

5098
02:58:13,060 --> 02:58:13,680
We do do.

5099
02:58:14,580 --> 02:58:15,340
Uh, sir.

5100
02:58:15,400 --> 02:58:18,440
Tooth fairy in Valparaiso, Indiana, eight Oh, eight.

5101
02:58:18,520 --> 02:58:19,580
A lot of boobs today.

5102
02:58:19,720 --> 02:58:20,200
Big boobs.

5103
02:58:20,340 --> 02:58:20,600
Uh, sir.

5104
02:58:22,200 --> 02:58:25,940
Solver in, in silver spring, Maryland, seven, seven

5105
02:58:25,940 --> 02:58:32,960
dot seven, seven Scott Merrill in Calabasas Highlands,

5106
02:58:33,360 --> 02:58:39,260
California, 75 Kardashian land, Kardashian land.

5107
02:58:39,420 --> 02:58:39,580
Yeah.

5108
02:58:39,580 --> 02:58:43,520
The Kardashians live in Calabasas, but Calabasas Highland

5109
02:58:43,520 --> 02:58:44,060
is different.

5110
02:58:44,180 --> 02:58:44,820
He's above them.

5111
02:58:44,860 --> 02:58:46,240
He can look down on them.

5112
02:58:46,240 --> 02:58:46,660
Good.

5113
02:58:47,040 --> 02:58:52,600
Uh, Bren Brant, Ben Tinsley in Belfast.

5114
02:58:53,660 --> 02:58:55,780
Uh, Oh, Belfast, Ireland, I guess.

5115
02:58:55,880 --> 02:58:56,120
Yeah.

5116
02:58:56,720 --> 02:59:02,380
UK 73, 77 Dana Carol in Laughlin, Nevada,

5117
02:59:02,740 --> 02:59:08,720
72 27 Jorge L there, Alvarez, Jorge Alvarez

5118
02:59:08,720 --> 02:59:12,980
in Ponte Verde beach, Florida, 71 71 Cameron

5119
02:59:12,980 --> 02:59:17,000
Ling in North branch, Minnesota 61 71.

5120
02:59:17,000 --> 02:59:17,140
one.

5121
02:59:17,940 --> 02:59:23,060
Chad Hewitt in Folsom, California, 6006.

5122
02:59:23,520 --> 02:59:27,640
Jeremy Brogan in Amhest, Ohio, 6006.

5123
02:59:27,720 --> 02:59:29,240
He needs a de-douching for his wife,

5124
02:59:29,360 --> 02:59:29,680
Laura.

5125
02:59:31,580 --> 02:59:33,240
You've been de-douched.

5126
02:59:34,200 --> 02:59:38,900
Steve Banstra in Nashville, Tennessee, 5996.

5127
02:59:40,320 --> 02:59:44,520
Lydia Terry in Rochester, New Hampshire, 5833.

5128
02:59:44,780 --> 02:59:50,100
Douglas Harris in Owasso, Oklahoma, 5798.

5129
02:59:50,180 --> 02:59:51,040
He needs a de-douching.

5130
02:59:52,740 --> 02:59:54,500
You've been de-douched.

5131
02:59:57,140 --> 03:00:00,680
Maximalist in Cape Town, South Africa.

5132
03:00:01,520 --> 03:00:03,500
It's about time we got somebody there.

5133
03:00:05,400 --> 03:00:06,980
He needs a de-douching as well, I

5134
03:00:06,980 --> 03:00:07,220
see.

5135
03:00:08,700 --> 03:00:09,340
5623.

5136
03:00:09,680 --> 03:00:10,560
Yes, a de-doucher.

5137
03:00:12,160 --> 03:00:14,080
You've been de-douched.

5138
03:00:15,000 --> 03:00:17,240
We should have more listeners in Cape Town.

5139
03:00:17,420 --> 03:00:17,880
That's good.

5140
03:00:18,420 --> 03:00:26,340
Daniel Smith in Dayton, Ohio, 5547.

5141
03:00:27,380 --> 03:00:29,680
We are now unburdened by what has been,

5142
03:00:29,780 --> 03:00:30,300
he writes.

5143
03:00:31,180 --> 03:00:35,500
Mika Farrell in Georgetown, Kentucky, 5510.

5144
03:00:36,940 --> 03:00:44,080
Mike Boyles in Diamonddale, Michigan, 5510.

5145
03:00:44,080 --> 03:00:46,340
He wants a call-out from Michael Hunt

5146
03:00:46,340 --> 03:00:48,540
from Beaver Gap for being a douchebag.

5147
03:00:48,540 --> 03:00:50,040
Douchebag.

5148
03:00:50,460 --> 03:00:55,660
Megan Carlotta in Galloway, Ohio, 55.

5149
03:00:57,040 --> 03:01:01,460
Nancy Murphy in San Bruno, California, home of

5150
03:01:01,460 --> 03:01:03,840
the anonymous cop, I think, 55.

5151
03:01:04,720 --> 03:01:10,840
Daniel Fisher in Boaz, Alabama, 53.

5152
03:01:11,140 --> 03:01:11,800
Boaz, huh?

5153
03:01:12,140 --> 03:01:16,220
Leland Smith in Fredericksburg, Virginia, 5272, which is

5154
03:01:16,220 --> 03:01:20,240
$50 donor, $52 donation with his fees added.

5155
03:01:20,780 --> 03:01:20,880
Nice.

5156
03:01:21,840 --> 03:01:27,080
Annette Storgaard in Denmark, 5272.

5157
03:01:27,340 --> 03:01:27,920
Thank you very much.

5158
03:01:28,020 --> 03:01:28,120
Hello, Denmark.

5159
03:01:28,120 --> 03:01:28,360
Yes.

5160
03:01:29,460 --> 03:01:30,740
We need more Danish women.

5161
03:01:31,620 --> 03:01:34,520
Kevin Adam in Clover, South Carolina, 5272.

5162
03:01:34,620 --> 03:01:37,840
Carl Vogler in Dillon Beach, California, 5272, with

5163
03:01:37,840 --> 03:01:38,520
a happy Thanksgiving.

5164
03:01:38,760 --> 03:01:41,460
Scott Nelson in Council Bluffs, Iowa, with a

5165
03:01:41,460 --> 03:01:43,080
traditional 5001.

5166
03:01:43,380 --> 03:01:45,440
And now, the last people on the list

5167
03:01:45,440 --> 03:01:46,620
are all $50 donors.

5168
03:01:46,720 --> 03:01:48,440
I'm gonna just say their names and locations,

5169
03:01:48,500 --> 03:01:52,760
starting with Amy Gelinas, or Gelinas, Gelinas, in

5170
03:01:52,760 --> 03:01:53,980
Burien, Washington.

5171
03:01:54,180 --> 03:01:54,940
You've all been there.

5172
03:01:55,540 --> 03:01:57,820
George Wuschit in La Vernia, Texas.

5173
03:01:59,340 --> 03:02:01,620
Brian Emenheiser in Lancaster, California.

5174
03:02:01,780 --> 03:02:04,020
John Taylor in Florissant, Colorado.

5175
03:02:04,540 --> 03:02:10,060
Aaron Weisgerber in Bend, Oregon.

5176
03:02:10,220 --> 03:02:10,460
Sorry.

5177
03:02:10,740 --> 03:02:12,260
Richard Gardner, I think he's in New York

5178
03:02:12,260 --> 03:02:12,540
City.

5179
03:02:15,800 --> 03:02:16,760
Inaki Esparza...

5180
03:02:16,760 --> 03:02:17,180
Oh, yes.

5181
03:02:17,220 --> 03:02:22,880
There's Inaki Esparza Eloring in Mexico City, whose

5182
03:02:22,880 --> 03:02:24,820
name I have nothing but trouble pronouncing.

5183
03:02:25,640 --> 03:02:27,600
Andrew St. Clair in Salem, Oregon.

5184
03:02:29,420 --> 03:02:29,900
Mansoor...

5185
03:02:29,900 --> 03:02:32,040
I know how to pronounce this too.

5186
03:02:32,220 --> 03:02:33,260
Mansoor, I think.

5187
03:02:33,740 --> 03:02:36,200
Rod, and he's in Alpharetta, Georgia.

5188
03:02:36,980 --> 03:02:37,560
Steven D.

5189
03:02:37,660 --> 03:02:39,880
Mann in Humble, Texas.

5190
03:02:41,740 --> 03:02:44,160
He says the Liberty app is great.

5191
03:02:44,360 --> 03:02:44,900
Libby app.

5192
03:02:45,640 --> 03:02:46,000
Libby.

5193
03:02:46,180 --> 03:02:46,700
Oh, Libby.

5194
03:02:46,800 --> 03:02:48,080
If you wanna read books for free.

5195
03:02:48,820 --> 03:02:50,280
I don't know anything about it.

5196
03:02:50,420 --> 03:02:51,940
Send me a note.

5197
03:02:52,600 --> 03:02:56,980
Dame Melovation in Colorado Springs, Colorado.

5198
03:02:57,480 --> 03:02:59,820
And last on our list is Dame Toni

5199
03:02:59,820 --> 03:03:03,560
with an I, Healths, H-E-L-F

5200
03:03:03,560 --> 03:03:06,180
-S-T, in Fort Worth, Texas.

5201
03:03:06,280 --> 03:03:08,000
Wanna thank all these people for making the

5202
03:03:08,000 --> 03:03:09,340
Thanksgiving Day special.

5203
03:03:09,540 --> 03:03:13,880
Y'all be Thanksgiving Day special producers, making

5204
03:03:13,880 --> 03:03:15,140
it a winner that it is.

5205
03:03:15,180 --> 03:03:15,860
Thank you very much.

5206
03:03:16,040 --> 03:03:16,260
Yes.

5207
03:03:16,400 --> 03:03:17,740
Thank you all very much.

5208
03:03:18,460 --> 03:03:21,380
And we did have a request for some

5209
03:03:21,380 --> 03:03:26,660
baby-making karma from Megan Carlotta, so I

5210
03:03:26,660 --> 03:03:28,500
don't wanna miss that because the more kids

5211
03:03:28,500 --> 03:03:30,480
walking out there with our names, the better,

5212
03:03:30,640 --> 03:03:32,840
obviously, because that is the deal.

5213
03:03:33,080 --> 03:03:35,100
You get baby-making karma, you get a

5214
03:03:35,100 --> 03:03:36,900
baby, you name it John or Adam, no

5215
03:03:36,900 --> 03:03:37,960
matter what the gender is.

5216
03:03:38,380 --> 03:03:41,540
Thank you to these producers, $50 and above.

5217
03:03:41,920 --> 03:03:43,700
We never mention under 50 for reasons of

5218
03:03:43,700 --> 03:03:46,100
anonymity, but we see you, $49.99. Thank

5219
03:03:46,100 --> 03:03:46,260
you.

5220
03:03:46,340 --> 03:03:48,960
And of course, the sustaining donors who always

5221
03:03:48,960 --> 03:03:51,520
support us with any amount of any frequency

5222
03:03:51,520 --> 03:03:52,880
in recurring format.

5223
03:03:53,120 --> 03:03:54,800
And again, thank you to our executive and

5224
03:03:54,800 --> 03:03:57,600
associate executive producers for supporting us here for

5225
03:03:57,600 --> 03:04:01,260
episode 1,716, our Thanksgiving Day episode.

5226
03:04:01,580 --> 03:04:03,200
Here's your baby-making karma.

5227
03:04:03,420 --> 03:04:03,840
Good luck.

5228
03:04:03,960 --> 03:04:10,100
You've got karma.

5229
03:04:10,100 --> 03:04:11,400
noagendadonations.com.

5230
03:04:11,480 --> 03:04:13,620
That's noagendadonations.com.

5231
03:04:13,620 --> 03:04:16,300
It's just birthday, birthday.

5232
03:04:17,520 --> 03:04:19,300
I'm no agenda.

5233
03:04:19,700 --> 03:04:22,140
Talia Dupree turns 41 today.

5234
03:04:22,300 --> 03:04:23,400
Happy birthday, Talia.

5235
03:04:23,500 --> 03:04:26,880
Tina Selby wishes her husband, Tylan Selby, a

5236
03:04:26,880 --> 03:04:28,540
happy one, turning 34 today.

5237
03:04:28,860 --> 03:04:31,720
James Batsold wishes his mom, Katie, a happy

5238
03:04:31,720 --> 03:04:32,400
74.

5239
03:04:32,600 --> 03:04:33,860
She'll be 74 tomorrow.

5240
03:04:33,980 --> 03:04:34,700
Wake up, Katie.

5241
03:04:35,200 --> 03:04:37,380
Jeremy Brogan says happy birthday to his smoking

5242
03:04:37,380 --> 03:04:38,300
hot wife, Laura.

5243
03:04:38,460 --> 03:04:40,580
She turns 50 on December 5th.

5244
03:04:40,760 --> 03:04:42,640
Robert Smiley is turning 63.

5245
03:04:43,000 --> 03:04:45,640
And Donna Crawford says happy birthday to Commodore

5246
03:04:45,640 --> 03:04:46,960
Kirk of the South Bay.

5247
03:04:47,080 --> 03:04:49,700
He turns 60 on December 19th.

5248
03:04:49,740 --> 03:04:51,660
Happy birthday from everybody here at the Best

5249
03:04:51,660 --> 03:04:53,420
Podcast in the Universe.

5250
03:05:03,600 --> 03:05:05,660
And you heard him earlier as the top

5251
03:05:06,140 --> 03:05:08,100
executive producer for today's episode.

5252
03:05:08,460 --> 03:05:10,800
Sir Dan the Man ups the ante there

5253
03:05:10,800 --> 03:05:13,480
and now becomes an Earl, so he will

5254
03:05:13,480 --> 03:05:16,100
henceforth be known as Sir Dan the Man,

5255
03:05:16,180 --> 03:05:17,880
Earl of Southwest Florida.

5256
03:05:18,400 --> 03:05:20,300
And we thank you very much, Sir Dan

5257
03:05:20,300 --> 03:05:20,660
the Man.

5258
03:05:20,760 --> 03:05:22,360
It's always good to see a note from

5259
03:05:22,360 --> 03:05:23,900
you, and thank you very much for supporting

5260
03:05:23,900 --> 03:05:24,060
us.

5261
03:05:24,120 --> 03:05:26,840
Now we have three brand new doctors of

5262
03:05:26,840 --> 03:05:29,940
education, so I would like to congratulate Sir

5263
03:05:29,940 --> 03:05:34,580
Dan the Man, Lewis Kellogg, and Dame Lady

5264
03:05:34,580 --> 03:05:36,680
Getover, and all three of you are now

5265
03:05:36,680 --> 03:05:41,000
officially doctors of education in climate change studies.

5266
03:05:41,180 --> 03:05:41,820
Congratulations.

5267
03:05:42,580 --> 03:05:44,480
Put the tassel on the other side of

5268
03:05:44,480 --> 03:05:48,180
your cap and hang your book bag in

5269
03:05:48,180 --> 03:05:49,020
the flagpole.

5270
03:05:49,780 --> 03:05:50,760
Do they do that in America?

5271
03:05:52,080 --> 03:05:53,880
The book bag in the flagpole?

5272
03:05:54,400 --> 03:05:54,500
No.

5273
03:05:54,840 --> 03:05:56,560
In Europe it is common.

5274
03:05:57,280 --> 03:05:59,220
I don't know what it even refers to.

5275
03:05:59,220 --> 03:06:02,260
When you graduate, then you run your book

5276
03:06:02,260 --> 03:06:04,260
bag up the flagpole instead of a flag.

5277
03:06:05,740 --> 03:06:06,580
Do you salute it?

5278
03:06:06,960 --> 03:06:09,040
No, you can if you want to.

5279
03:06:09,300 --> 03:06:10,500
Maybe that's just a Dutch thing.

5280
03:06:10,620 --> 03:06:11,540
Wouldn't surprise me.

5281
03:06:11,900 --> 03:06:15,160
We have one night to welcome onto our

5282
03:06:15,160 --> 03:06:16,480
podium here, if you can bring out the

5283
03:06:16,480 --> 03:06:16,940
one night.

5284
03:06:17,300 --> 03:06:18,120
Very nice.

5285
03:06:18,380 --> 03:06:23,180
Hello, Lewis Kellogg, come on up.

5286
03:06:23,680 --> 03:06:25,400
Thank you, sir, for your support of the

5287
03:06:25,400 --> 03:06:31,600
Noah Jenner Show and the as Sir Lord

5288
03:06:31,600 --> 03:06:32,320
Lowbrew.

5289
03:06:32,560 --> 03:06:33,340
You asked for it.

5290
03:06:33,420 --> 03:06:34,800
We have the mutton and mead ready, but

5291
03:06:34,800 --> 03:06:37,060
also we have hookers and blow, red boys

5292
03:06:37,060 --> 03:06:37,760
and chardonnay.

5293
03:06:37,920 --> 03:06:39,780
We've got Polish potato vodka.

5294
03:06:40,240 --> 03:06:43,260
We've got grandma's special eggnog today on sale.

5295
03:06:44,060 --> 03:06:44,520
Ruben S.

5296
03:06:44,560 --> 03:06:46,760
Lumen and rosé, geishen and sake, vodka and

5297
03:06:46,760 --> 03:06:48,760
vanilla, bong hits and bourbon, sparkling cider and

5298
03:06:48,760 --> 03:06:51,640
esports, ginger ale and gerbils, breast milk and

5299
03:06:51,640 --> 03:06:52,100
pablum.

5300
03:06:52,760 --> 03:06:55,880
And as always, lots of mutton and mead

5301
03:06:55,880 --> 03:06:57,220
for you at the round table.

5302
03:06:57,420 --> 03:06:58,000
Enjoy that.

5303
03:06:58,140 --> 03:07:00,560
And from now on, we salute you as

5304
03:07:00,560 --> 03:07:03,820
sir and both you and our doctors of

5305
03:07:03,820 --> 03:07:04,240
education.

5306
03:07:04,300 --> 03:07:06,740
Go to no agenda rings dot com for

5307
03:07:06,740 --> 03:07:07,100
you.

5308
03:07:07,300 --> 03:07:08,160
Brand new night.

5309
03:07:08,240 --> 03:07:10,340
You can give us your ring size as

5310
03:07:10,340 --> 03:07:12,660
a ring size sizing guide on the website,

5311
03:07:12,680 --> 03:07:14,760
and we'll send it off to you along

5312
03:07:14,760 --> 03:07:16,100
with your certificate of authenticity.

5313
03:07:16,220 --> 03:07:17,560
And since it is a signet ring, you

5314
03:07:17,560 --> 03:07:18,400
also get some wax.

5315
03:07:18,560 --> 03:07:20,280
And with that, you can seal your important

5316
03:07:20,280 --> 03:07:22,420
correspondence for our doctors of education.

5317
03:07:22,720 --> 03:07:24,300
Give us an address and the name you

5318
03:07:24,300 --> 03:07:25,120
want listed on that.

5319
03:07:25,240 --> 03:07:27,380
It's a handsome, handsome doctor of education.

5320
03:07:28,040 --> 03:07:30,240
And may you prosper for many years with

5321
03:07:30,240 --> 03:07:30,480
that.

5322
03:07:30,860 --> 03:07:33,120
May insurance pay you no money.

5323
03:07:35,220 --> 03:07:35,780
That's it.

5324
03:07:35,880 --> 03:07:36,780
No agenda rings dot com.

5325
03:07:36,860 --> 03:07:37,980
We have some meetups to discuss.

5326
03:07:45,060 --> 03:07:48,480
So there's none today.

5327
03:07:48,620 --> 03:07:50,120
Of course, it didn't really expect that.

5328
03:07:50,180 --> 03:07:51,920
Oh, you could have had some around the

5329
03:07:51,920 --> 03:07:53,780
rest of the world, but nothing happened.

5330
03:07:53,880 --> 03:07:55,340
We do have one coming up on Saturday.

5331
03:07:55,940 --> 03:07:58,320
That is the no agenda central Ohio meet

5332
03:07:58,320 --> 03:08:00,560
up five o'clock at Dempsey's in Columbus,

5333
03:08:00,760 --> 03:08:01,080
Ohio.

5334
03:08:01,080 --> 03:08:03,620
On the list, though, we have a really

5335
03:08:03,620 --> 03:08:06,780
long list of meetups throughout the month of

5336
03:08:06,780 --> 03:08:07,160
December.

5337
03:08:07,280 --> 03:08:10,220
It's really it's popular December to have meetups,

5338
03:08:10,260 --> 03:08:12,580
but they also go into January Christmas parties

5339
03:08:12,580 --> 03:08:15,920
as a substitute for the once established office

5340
03:08:15,920 --> 03:08:18,360
parties that have gone by the wayside.

5341
03:08:18,620 --> 03:08:19,540
Oh, good.

5342
03:08:19,920 --> 03:08:20,780
These are much better.

5343
03:08:20,920 --> 03:08:22,740
Find yourself a no agenda meet up on

5344
03:08:22,740 --> 03:08:23,520
the calendar there.

5345
03:08:23,620 --> 03:08:24,920
No agenda meet ups dot com.

5346
03:08:25,220 --> 03:08:26,960
You're not going to regret this because you

5347
03:08:26,960 --> 03:08:29,660
will meet people that will become your first

5348
03:08:29,660 --> 03:08:31,520
responders in any kind of emergency.

5349
03:08:31,640 --> 03:08:33,680
All these meetups, they get their own little

5350
03:08:33,680 --> 03:08:34,660
groups.

5351
03:08:34,720 --> 03:08:35,900
They have telegram groups.

5352
03:08:35,960 --> 03:08:36,680
They'll communicate.

5353
03:08:36,860 --> 03:08:39,620
They have text groups and they're always working

5354
03:08:39,620 --> 03:08:41,160
with each other on all kinds of things.

5355
03:08:41,220 --> 03:08:44,260
And we've seen all kinds of connections made,

5356
03:08:44,400 --> 03:08:47,480
including marriages, because connection is protection.

5357
03:08:47,480 --> 03:08:49,020
And you get it at your no agenda

5358
03:08:49,020 --> 03:08:49,420
meetup.

5359
03:08:49,600 --> 03:08:51,240
Go to no agenda meetups dot com.

5360
03:08:51,540 --> 03:08:52,440
Look at the calendar.

5361
03:08:52,820 --> 03:08:53,780
Find one near you.

5362
03:08:54,200 --> 03:08:55,420
You can't find one near you.

5363
03:08:55,500 --> 03:08:57,440
Well, that's a great opportunity to start your

5364
03:08:57,440 --> 03:08:57,660
own.

5365
03:08:57,780 --> 03:08:59,100
No agenda meetups dot com.

5366
03:08:59,240 --> 03:09:00,920
Always guarantee the party.

5367
03:09:21,200 --> 03:09:23,520
Now, did you have any bring any ISOs?

5368
03:09:23,620 --> 03:09:24,180
Yes, I have to.

5369
03:09:24,260 --> 03:09:25,400
But before we do that, I want to

5370
03:09:25,400 --> 03:09:26,180
mention something.

5371
03:09:26,280 --> 03:09:29,680
Did you know that yesterday, Wednesday, the day

5372
03:09:29,680 --> 03:09:32,600
before Thanksgiving is called Blackout Wednesday?

5373
03:09:33,000 --> 03:09:34,380
Is that when you get blackout drunk?

5374
03:09:35,080 --> 03:09:36,720
Yeah, I guess that there was a report

5375
03:09:36,720 --> 03:09:39,060
on the on KTVU or local news station

5376
03:09:39,060 --> 03:09:41,020
about the police are out in force trying

5377
03:09:41,020 --> 03:09:43,320
to pick up drunks as they arrest more

5378
03:09:43,320 --> 03:09:46,180
drunks on Blackout Wednesday than any other time

5379
03:09:46,180 --> 03:09:46,600
of the year.

5380
03:09:47,260 --> 03:09:48,300
I did not know that.

5381
03:09:49,200 --> 03:09:52,780
I think you'd know that by the you

5382
03:09:52,780 --> 03:09:54,360
know, I never heard of this before.

5383
03:09:54,600 --> 03:09:54,980
I don't know.

5384
03:09:55,100 --> 03:09:56,340
I was too blacked out to hear the

5385
03:09:56,340 --> 03:09:56,700
report.

5386
03:09:57,600 --> 03:09:58,460
Blackout Wednesday.

5387
03:09:58,680 --> 03:09:58,820
All right.

5388
03:09:58,840 --> 03:09:59,760
What are your ISOs?

5389
03:10:00,160 --> 03:10:00,780
I got two.

5390
03:10:01,000 --> 03:10:01,260
Okay.

5391
03:10:02,020 --> 03:10:02,940
I got amazing.

5392
03:10:03,320 --> 03:10:04,680
That show was amazing.

5393
03:10:05,560 --> 03:10:06,380
Not bad.

5394
03:10:06,480 --> 03:10:07,180
Not bad.

5395
03:10:07,640 --> 03:10:10,240
And then I got the dummies.

5396
03:10:10,580 --> 03:10:12,260
Happy Thanksgiving, you big dummies.

5397
03:10:13,520 --> 03:10:15,040
Well, they're both kind of good.

5398
03:10:15,580 --> 03:10:17,120
I don't think I have anything that can

5399
03:10:17,120 --> 03:10:17,600
compete.

5400
03:10:17,760 --> 03:10:18,260
I have this.

5401
03:10:19,560 --> 03:10:20,680
No, that's no good.

5402
03:10:20,760 --> 03:10:21,860
Compared to those is no good.

5403
03:10:21,900 --> 03:10:22,420
I have this one.

5404
03:10:24,000 --> 03:10:26,620
And then the only possible contender.

5405
03:10:28,460 --> 03:10:30,040
You probably couldn't hear it.

5406
03:10:31,000 --> 03:10:31,800
Yes, mumbling.

5407
03:10:32,040 --> 03:10:34,140
It says what you got in your mouth,

5408
03:10:34,220 --> 03:10:36,220
which is kind of which is, I guess,

5409
03:10:36,280 --> 03:10:37,760
semi appropriate for Thanksgiving.

5410
03:10:38,080 --> 03:10:38,960
But let me see.

5411
03:10:39,020 --> 03:10:40,660
Happy Thanksgiving, you big dummies.

5412
03:10:40,880 --> 03:10:41,660
I kind of like that.

5413
03:10:41,700 --> 03:10:43,020
That show was amazing.

5414
03:10:43,540 --> 03:10:45,120
Wow, it's a tough choice, John.

5415
03:10:45,740 --> 03:10:46,660
What do you think?

5416
03:10:47,160 --> 03:10:48,580
I think you can pick either one.

5417
03:10:48,680 --> 03:10:49,260
They're both a winner.

5418
03:10:49,620 --> 03:10:50,700
Yeah, but I'll ask you.

5419
03:10:50,980 --> 03:10:51,640
You choose.

5420
03:10:51,760 --> 03:10:52,380
I'm too tired.

5421
03:10:52,380 --> 03:10:53,260
I think happy.

5422
03:10:53,500 --> 03:10:57,140
Well, the problem is going people let's do

5423
03:10:57,140 --> 03:10:57,620
amazing.

5424
03:10:57,760 --> 03:10:58,620
So we just do amazing.

5425
03:10:58,740 --> 03:10:59,600
That show is amazing.

5426
03:10:59,700 --> 03:11:01,460
The show is amazing.

5427
03:11:01,600 --> 03:11:03,140
Not only is the show amazing, no one

5428
03:11:03,140 --> 03:11:03,860
else is amazing.

5429
03:11:04,120 --> 03:11:05,320
John's tip of the day.

5430
03:11:17,400 --> 03:11:22,280
So this tip came from Jay, our back

5431
03:11:22,280 --> 03:11:23,960
office worker.

5432
03:11:24,140 --> 03:11:25,080
Also known as your daughter.

5433
03:11:25,080 --> 03:11:27,500
She and Brandon, who got married, I don't

5434
03:11:27,500 --> 03:11:29,280
know, over a year ago, they they could

5435
03:11:29,280 --> 03:11:30,620
finally going on their honeymoon.

5436
03:11:31,540 --> 03:11:32,780
Oh, how nice.

5437
03:11:33,540 --> 03:11:35,040
And they're going to go to Japan and

5438
03:11:35,040 --> 03:11:39,220
Dame Astrid and Mark are both going to

5439
03:11:39,220 --> 03:11:41,140
show them, you know, take him somewhere.

5440
03:11:41,220 --> 03:11:42,980
Oh, no, no.

5441
03:11:43,040 --> 03:11:44,200
They're going to meet up with him and

5442
03:11:44,200 --> 03:11:46,540
they're going to hand deliver the Commodore ship

5443
03:11:46,540 --> 03:11:47,980
to him, I think is a surprise.

5444
03:11:48,120 --> 03:11:49,160
But now it's not a surprise.

5445
03:11:49,180 --> 03:11:51,880
They are going to be shown a good

5446
03:11:51,880 --> 03:11:52,440
time.

5447
03:11:52,980 --> 03:11:53,560
That's right.

5448
03:11:53,640 --> 03:11:56,720
Mark and Dame Astrid are top notch people.

5449
03:11:57,160 --> 03:11:57,480
Yeah.

5450
03:11:57,820 --> 03:11:59,800
And I told them, you know, well, who

5451
03:11:59,800 --> 03:12:00,520
are these people?

5452
03:12:01,100 --> 03:12:02,920
Well, they're two famous architects.

5453
03:12:03,020 --> 03:12:04,880
Yeah, they're just kind of really famous.

5454
03:12:04,980 --> 03:12:07,020
I'm just saying, yeah, they're just kind of

5455
03:12:07,020 --> 03:12:07,480
famous.

5456
03:12:07,620 --> 03:12:07,780
Yeah.

5457
03:12:07,840 --> 03:12:08,040
Yeah.

5458
03:12:08,040 --> 03:12:08,880
Kind of famous.

5459
03:12:09,680 --> 03:12:12,860
So but Jay's got chickens.

5460
03:12:13,880 --> 03:12:15,280
Oh, who's going to take care of the

5461
03:12:15,280 --> 03:12:15,660
chickens?

5462
03:12:16,020 --> 03:12:17,200
Who's going to take care of the chickens?

5463
03:12:17,260 --> 03:12:18,700
I asked her because I said, do I

5464
03:12:18,700 --> 03:12:19,980
have I'm thinking, do I have to go

5465
03:12:19,980 --> 03:12:21,460
there and put the chickens in the coop?

5466
03:12:22,200 --> 03:12:23,540
Me, I mean, so I doubt that.

5467
03:12:23,760 --> 03:12:25,340
So somewhat they're going to have friends go

5468
03:12:25,340 --> 03:12:27,300
over there and look at the house daily,

5469
03:12:27,500 --> 03:12:27,820
daily.

5470
03:12:28,620 --> 03:12:30,520
But the chicken thing is going to be

5471
03:12:30,520 --> 03:12:33,620
taken care of by the automatic chicken coop

5472
03:12:33,620 --> 03:12:34,100
door.

5473
03:12:34,240 --> 03:12:34,940
Oh, no.

5474
03:12:35,840 --> 03:12:38,200
Which is today's tip of the day for

5475
03:12:38,200 --> 03:12:40,200
you people that think about having chickens, but

5476
03:12:40,200 --> 03:12:41,600
don't want to deal with putting them in

5477
03:12:41,600 --> 03:12:43,640
the coop every night and locking them in

5478
03:12:43,640 --> 03:12:45,980
the automatic chick.

5479
03:12:46,320 --> 03:12:48,040
And you look at the Amazon's got a

5480
03:12:48,040 --> 03:12:49,840
good one that they want to sell.

5481
03:12:49,920 --> 03:12:50,860
It's forty two bucks.

5482
03:12:51,020 --> 03:12:51,500
It's cheap.

5483
03:12:52,140 --> 03:12:53,140
It's digital.

5484
03:12:53,520 --> 03:12:55,260
It's got an anti pinch feature.

5485
03:12:55,340 --> 03:12:56,920
So it doesn't crush any chickens.

5486
03:12:57,740 --> 03:12:59,720
It's got a timer.

5487
03:13:00,800 --> 03:13:03,200
So what happens is that you set it

5488
03:13:03,200 --> 03:13:05,520
up and the chickens are out roaming around

5489
03:13:05,520 --> 03:13:07,640
eating bugs and cleaning your yard up.

5490
03:13:07,940 --> 03:13:10,520
And then when it gets dark, chickens naturally

5491
03:13:10,520 --> 03:13:11,800
go back into the coop.

5492
03:13:12,000 --> 03:13:12,980
They always do.

5493
03:13:13,100 --> 03:13:14,000
They just do it.

5494
03:13:14,560 --> 03:13:16,840
And then as soon as it gets dark,

5495
03:13:17,020 --> 03:13:18,900
the chicken coop door closes.

5496
03:13:19,560 --> 03:13:19,660
Yes.

5497
03:13:20,180 --> 03:13:21,580
And locks them in there.

5498
03:13:22,080 --> 03:13:24,080
And of course, what happens if it locks

5499
03:13:24,080 --> 03:13:24,760
in a raccoon?

5500
03:13:25,060 --> 03:13:27,100
Well, you know, well, you're going to have

5501
03:13:27,100 --> 03:13:28,160
a raccoon in there anyway.

5502
03:13:29,880 --> 03:13:31,880
And then it opens the next day and

5503
03:13:31,880 --> 03:13:32,960
the chickens go back out.

5504
03:13:33,020 --> 03:13:34,720
And I guess they've been using it for

5505
03:13:34,720 --> 03:13:35,900
a couple of weeks and I guess it

5506
03:13:35,900 --> 03:13:36,860
works like a champ.

5507
03:13:37,220 --> 03:13:40,380
So people out there looking to get chickens

5508
03:13:40,380 --> 03:13:44,620
look into the automatic chicken coop door.

5509
03:13:46,200 --> 03:13:48,020
And when will they be coming back in

5510
03:13:48,020 --> 03:13:48,520
three weeks?

5511
03:13:49,160 --> 03:13:49,720
No, no, no.

5512
03:13:49,760 --> 03:13:51,720
Coming back in like 10 days or so.

5513
03:13:51,960 --> 03:13:52,080
OK.

5514
03:13:52,200 --> 03:13:52,480
OK.

5515
03:13:52,660 --> 03:13:54,780
So in 10 days, in 10 days, tip

5516
03:13:54,780 --> 03:13:57,800
of the day will be the Amazon chicken

5517
03:13:57,800 --> 03:13:59,080
remnant vacuum cleaner.

5518
03:14:00,240 --> 03:14:01,600
You can guarantee it.

5519
03:14:01,660 --> 03:14:02,740
There it is, ladies and gentlemen.

5520
03:14:02,740 --> 03:14:04,020
Tip of the day.

5521
03:14:04,360 --> 03:14:04,620
Dot net.

5522
03:14:04,720 --> 03:14:06,220
No agenda fund dot com.

5523
03:14:07,020 --> 03:14:09,640
Great advice for you and me.

5524
03:14:09,800 --> 03:14:14,820
Just the tip with JCB and sometimes Adam.

5525
03:14:14,960 --> 03:14:16,380
Oh, my, my, my.

5526
03:14:16,480 --> 03:14:17,380
What a great tip.

5527
03:14:17,540 --> 03:14:19,020
Always a good tip here.

5528
03:14:20,060 --> 03:14:22,260
John's tip of the day, everybody.

5529
03:14:23,200 --> 03:14:27,720
And that does it for our Thanksgiving spectacular.

5530
03:14:28,000 --> 03:14:29,140
Thank you all for being here.

5531
03:14:29,260 --> 03:14:32,380
The trolls, our live studio audience and those

5532
03:14:32,380 --> 03:14:34,120
of you who are out there, all of

5533
03:14:34,120 --> 03:14:36,780
no agenda nation, all our producers who produce

5534
03:14:36,780 --> 03:14:38,800
in all facets and all manners.

5535
03:14:38,920 --> 03:14:39,260
Thank you.

5536
03:14:39,640 --> 03:14:41,580
I am personally very thankful for you.

5537
03:14:42,060 --> 03:14:43,780
And I'm sure I speak on behalf of

5538
03:14:43,780 --> 03:14:44,340
my partner.

5539
03:14:44,900 --> 03:14:45,940
End of show mixes.

5540
03:14:46,080 --> 03:14:46,800
We've got the media.

5541
03:14:47,280 --> 03:14:49,040
So Michael Anthony, the mayor of New York

5542
03:14:49,040 --> 03:14:50,600
City, wish you a happy Thanksgiving.

5543
03:14:50,880 --> 03:14:53,880
Jeffrey Crocker, David Kector, who is auditioning.

5544
03:14:54,920 --> 03:14:56,740
Um, what's he auditioning for?

5545
03:14:56,800 --> 03:14:58,020
He's auditioning for a band.

5546
03:14:59,380 --> 03:15:01,100
That guy's an amazing drummer.

5547
03:15:01,200 --> 03:15:02,840
He has a drum kit that's out of

5548
03:15:02,840 --> 03:15:05,920
control in his, in his, in his house.

5549
03:15:06,560 --> 03:15:07,660
Go look him up on YouTube.

5550
03:15:08,080 --> 03:15:08,740
David Kector.

5551
03:15:09,220 --> 03:15:09,680
He's good.

5552
03:15:10,300 --> 03:15:12,060
Up next on the no agenda stream.

5553
03:15:12,140 --> 03:15:13,540
We've got that Larry show.

5554
03:15:13,700 --> 03:15:14,100
That's right.

5555
03:15:14,160 --> 03:15:16,560
That Larry guy and Darren Oh, and their

5556
03:15:16,560 --> 03:15:19,760
episode is the greatest comeback since Jesus Christ.

5557
03:15:20,180 --> 03:15:21,820
Well, wait until JC comes back.

5558
03:15:22,000 --> 03:15:22,860
He ain't seen nothing yet.

5559
03:15:23,660 --> 03:15:25,080
Uh, coming to you from the heart of

5560
03:15:25,080 --> 03:15:27,300
the Texas Hill country in the morning, everybody

5561
03:15:27,300 --> 03:15:28,320
and happy Thanksgiving.

5562
03:15:28,480 --> 03:15:29,160
I'm Adam Curry.

5563
03:15:29,920 --> 03:15:32,640
And from Northern Silicon Valley where, Hey, there's

5564
03:15:32,640 --> 03:15:34,100
a couple of football games on.

5565
03:15:34,180 --> 03:15:34,900
Let's watch that.

5566
03:15:35,160 --> 03:15:35,840
I'm John C.

5567
03:15:35,920 --> 03:15:36,280
Dvorak.

5568
03:15:36,380 --> 03:15:38,680
Remember us at no agenda donations.com.

5569
03:15:38,780 --> 03:15:39,800
We'll see you on Sunday.

5570
03:15:39,920 --> 03:15:41,860
Adios, mofos, or who we, who we, and

5571
03:15:41,860 --> 03:15:42,280
such.

5572
03:15:42,940 --> 03:15:45,360
Happy Thanksgiving, New York City.

5573
03:15:45,600 --> 03:15:48,400
As your mayor, I'm going to eat a

5574
03:15:48,400 --> 03:15:49,780
plant-based centered lifestyle.

5575
03:15:50,060 --> 03:15:51,780
Even on a holiday.

5576
03:15:52,240 --> 03:15:55,120
Don't eat turkey and ham while I am

5577
03:15:55,120 --> 03:15:57,160
eating turkey and yams.

5578
03:15:57,340 --> 03:15:59,440
Enjoy your meat while you can.

5579
03:15:59,900 --> 03:16:02,420
We already had meatless Mondays in school.

5580
03:16:02,660 --> 03:16:04,860
Then I'm on vegan Fridays.

5581
03:16:05,460 --> 03:16:06,800
And we going to keep trying to make

5582
03:16:06,800 --> 03:16:08,420
a holly all plant-based.

5583
03:16:08,580 --> 03:16:10,520
But if y'all still got to eat

5584
03:16:10,520 --> 03:16:13,540
meat, the FDA just approved lab grown chickens

5585
03:16:13,540 --> 03:16:14,640
for human consumption.

5586
03:16:15,160 --> 03:16:17,320
And if y'all still not satisfied with

5587
03:16:17,320 --> 03:16:19,680
that, we're going to make only crickets and

5588
03:16:19,680 --> 03:16:20,700
cockroaches.

5589
03:16:20,960 --> 03:16:24,320
Like I said, enjoy that roast while you

5590
03:16:24,320 --> 03:16:24,760
can.

5591
03:16:25,200 --> 03:16:27,100
Y'all going to be eating rats.

5592
03:16:27,260 --> 03:16:28,580
But what is Lindy hop?

5593
03:16:29,120 --> 03:16:31,600
You can actually kill somebody's cat and punch

5594
03:16:31,600 --> 03:16:33,240
her their tires to get them to shut

5595
03:16:33,240 --> 03:16:33,500
up.

5596
03:16:33,820 --> 03:16:37,560
So, uh, you know, uh, this is what

5597
03:16:37,560 --> 03:16:38,800
you get when you go to a trailer

5598
03:16:38,800 --> 03:16:39,980
park with a hundred dollar bill.

5599
03:16:40,800 --> 03:16:41,260
Yeah.

5600
03:16:41,500 --> 03:16:41,800
No.

5601
03:16:42,000 --> 03:16:44,240
Well, whether you like it or not, I

5602
03:16:44,240 --> 03:16:45,000
really don't care.

5603
03:16:46,120 --> 03:16:48,780
We can make money and have an economic

5604
03:16:48,780 --> 03:16:51,620
relationship for Ukraine to be very beneficial to

5605
03:16:51,620 --> 03:16:55,140
enrich ourselves with rare earth minerals containing bad

5606
03:16:55,140 --> 03:16:55,460
guys.

5607
03:16:55,980 --> 03:16:57,080
I don't even understand what that means.

5608
03:16:57,640 --> 03:16:59,700
Let me come back and, uh, you know,

5609
03:16:59,780 --> 03:17:01,140
give you a better explanation.

5610
03:17:01,980 --> 03:17:03,160
This war is about money.

5611
03:17:04,500 --> 03:17:05,780
Lindsey Graham's not the problem.

5612
03:17:06,660 --> 03:17:08,400
Here's the problem is I see it.

5613
03:17:08,400 --> 03:17:10,380
If you don't have any friends, don't make

5614
03:17:10,380 --> 03:17:12,760
some friends, fight this bullshit.

5615
03:17:13,460 --> 03:17:15,360
This is going to destroy America.

5616
03:17:15,820 --> 03:17:17,620
We're going to fight back at the ballot

5617
03:17:17,620 --> 03:17:18,060
box.

5618
03:17:18,420 --> 03:17:21,840
We're not going to give in what you

5619
03:17:21,840 --> 03:17:22,160
say.

5620
03:17:22,920 --> 03:17:24,200
Step aside, partner.

5621
03:17:24,620 --> 03:17:25,880
It's my day.

5622
03:17:27,380 --> 03:17:30,160
Listen to my version.

5623
03:17:39,120 --> 03:17:40,640
Pardon me, boy.

5624
03:17:41,060 --> 03:17:43,220
Is that boy?

5625
03:17:47,400 --> 03:17:49,540
You can give me a chance.

5626
03:17:54,180 --> 03:17:55,720
That's how this wins.

5627
03:18:03,400 --> 03:18:07,680
I just want you to remind you, don't

5628
03:18:07,680 --> 03:18:09,460
you ever let anybody take your power.

5629
03:18:11,000 --> 03:18:13,640
The platforms are not regulated right now, which

5630
03:18:13,640 --> 03:18:17,100
gives them car blocks to whatever they want

5631
03:18:17,100 --> 03:18:17,640
right now.

5632
03:18:17,840 --> 03:18:19,800
Elon is not someone who likes to be

5633
03:18:19,800 --> 03:18:20,280
regulated.

5634
03:18:20,580 --> 03:18:23,140
And so to buy MSN, he would go

5635
03:18:23,140 --> 03:18:24,800
under some federal regulations.

5636
03:18:24,800 --> 03:18:26,140
Who's regulating CNN right now?

5637
03:18:27,060 --> 03:18:27,780
The FCC.

5638
03:18:32,150 --> 03:18:33,550
We are under attack.

5639
03:18:34,170 --> 03:18:36,510
Russia has been using different levers.

5640
03:18:36,810 --> 03:18:40,090
In this case, it's influencers like Donald Trump,

5641
03:18:40,550 --> 03:18:43,290
like Elon Musk, to really kind of sow

5642
03:18:43,290 --> 03:18:43,810
discord.

5643
03:18:44,230 --> 03:18:46,170
And it's particularly troubling with Elon Musk in

5644
03:18:46,170 --> 03:18:48,790
this case, because Elon Musk has access to

5645
03:18:48,790 --> 03:18:49,530
state secrets.

5646
03:18:50,070 --> 03:18:51,710
He has top secret security clearance.

5647
03:18:52,250 --> 03:18:54,130
It's possible that some of that is seeping

5648
03:18:54,130 --> 03:18:54,470
through.

5649
03:18:54,790 --> 03:18:56,730
Putin has been very effective in playing both

5650
03:18:56,730 --> 03:18:57,730
Trump and Elon.

5651
03:18:58,650 --> 03:18:59,870
We are under attack.

5652
03:19:01,390 --> 03:19:04,390
What is it that the Democrat Party has

5653
03:19:04,390 --> 03:19:05,330
to do differently?

5654
03:19:05,330 --> 03:19:08,530
I think that they need to change their

5655
03:19:08,530 --> 03:19:09,090
policies.

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That show was amazing.