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Adam Curry, John C.

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Dvorak.

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It's Sunday, August 17, 2025.

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This is your award winning give on Asian

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media assassination episode 1791.

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This is no agenda.

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Grabbing the red carpet.

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And broadcasting live from the heart of the

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Texas Hill Country here in FEMA region, number

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six in the morning, everybody.

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I'm Adam Curry.

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And from Northern Silicon Valley, where everybody thinks

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Putin won.

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I'm John C.

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Dvorak.

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It's Crackpot and Buzzkill!

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In the mornin'!

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Oh, man.

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It's, uh, it's tiring.

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It's tiring.

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It's just tiring.

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Everything is so tiring.

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Everybody's all, WHOA!

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It's no good what he did!

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Oh, no!

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He is yahoo!

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That's pretty much all I've heard for the

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last, uh, 36 hours.

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Perseverance!

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So, did you see Margaret Brennan?

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I have Margaret Brennan.

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I have the clips.

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With Rubio?

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I have everything.

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I'm ready to go.

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If you want to hear it, I got

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them all.

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I think Rubio holds his own, but I

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don't know what it is.

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I think people dislike him, but I think

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he's one of the best at arguing.

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Well, so let's, because, um, yes.

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Everything was rolling this morning on the clip

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machines.

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And we start with Margaret Grennan with, Brennan.

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Grennan?

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That's her new name.

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Margaret Grennan.

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Margaret Grennan.

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Well, she looks more like a Grennan than

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anything.

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She does.

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Yeah, she does.

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Here's, uh, here she is with Fiona Hill

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just to get us, uh, get us, get

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us into the mood.

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Good morning, Margot.

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Well, Fiona, you were an advisor, uh, during

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that infamous Helsinki summit in 2018.

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You've spoken about that in the past.

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I wonder...

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Stop, stop, stop, stop.

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We have to mention, so everyone's predisposed to

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thinking this way.

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That, that, that this woman who used to

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work for Trump, but she's with Brookings.

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Yeah, Brookings Institute.

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Yeah, the, the, the very subversive.

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The Brookings is right up there with the

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Council on Foreign Relations and, uh, uh, the

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WEF and they're the ones that Nixon thought

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should be burnt to the ground in this

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operation.

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Yeah, well, that's, that's the obvious reason why

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we have to put her on first, just

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to get into the mood of, you know,

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of the globalist mainstream media, the globalist mainstream

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media who do not like at all, at

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all, at all, what is taking place here.

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What do you think about how this Alaska

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summit compared?

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Well, it sucked, of course.

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Well, obviously quite different, um, in, in many

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respects.

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that they decided to skip, uh, the one

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-on-one meeting and, uh, the lunch.

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I mean, these are usually part of this

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sort of set of, uh, summits like this.

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As an outrage, they skipped the lunch.

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I'm not sure they skipped the lunch.

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I was looking at the schedule.

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There's no evidence.

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There's no evidence.

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They were gone.

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They were out one-on-one for three

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I don't know what she's talking about.

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And during that period of time, the lunch

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was served.

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Well, but you know, somebody starving him out.

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Somebody left the highly confidential menu documents on

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the printer, which just shows you how horrible

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this whole administration is.

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I desperately.

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The menu was leaked.

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I desperately tried to find the clip and

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all I could find was Hindu, Hindu, Hindu

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times and times of India.

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And those are just AI generated, uh, slop,

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uh, videos.

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No one really did a story on NPR

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did an article, but no one really went

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all the way to do a, Oh, I

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can't believe it.

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Clutching my pearls a bit.

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So anyway, let's continue with the, uh, this

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bit with Fiona.

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And the press conference obviously was more of

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an announcement or a set of announcements, presentations

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by both leaders, uh, much more by president

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Putin and more of a commentary, uh, by

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president Trump.

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So there wasn't that, uh, free for all

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of, uh, press questions, which I'm sure was

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a bit disconcerting for you and others who

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were present there, um, as Alaska.

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Very disconcerting for you, Margaret, that you couldn't

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ask questions.

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Uh, but the optics, uh, weren't exactly great

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as, uh, congressman Crow has laid out, uh,

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for the United States and for president Trump

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again.

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I mean, again, different, but although it was

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presented as perhaps a show of power by

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being at, uh, a U S air force

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base with the fight, uh, passing of the

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B 50 twos and other fighter jets, it

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did certainly look much more like a show

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of appreciation for Vladimir Putin.

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And so the optics were really much more

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favorable to Putin than they were to the

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United States.

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It really looked like Putin had set the

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agenda there, the narrative, and in many respects,

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the tone for the whole summit meeting.

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What an idiot.

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So first of all, it was a B

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two bomber.

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B 50 to like the B 52 is

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a rock lobster.

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No, there was the B two bomber.

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And I thought the staging was phenomenal.

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You're a big Alaska, 2025.

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You got your red carpets.

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You got, Oh, the staging.

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a TV show.

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They had the whole thing set up that

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way.

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It was set up as Putin had to

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walk across to the, to meet a mile

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to meet his, his hosts.

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President Trump's a very big power move.

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And he was happy.

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He was like, I will say, I'm not

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entirely convinced.

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This was the actual Putin.

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I agree.

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I looked at a whole bunch of different.

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I'm like, I don't know if this is

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the Putin that, that would know because there

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was a lot of talk.

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on Twitter saying they should shoot him.

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off the platform for these kinds of things.

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Shoot Putin.

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There's a bunch, there's a couple of lunatics.

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I can't remember the guy's name.

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some lefty and yeah, the advocated shooting him.

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was a question as to the safety.

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least if Putin, if that was not, that

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was the Putin double.

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It didn't look like him.

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mouth.

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His cheeks were a little puffier, which of

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course is because of the cancer that he

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We all know that he's dying.

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He's been dying ever since this show began.

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So, but I guess if he was carrying

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the official message, then what difference at this

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point does it make?

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But still a little disappointing to see what

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I clearly thought was not the real Putin.

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Anyway, continue with Fiona and then we'll go

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back to Jason Crow, who she was referring

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Just again, so we can get the stage.

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Who was a Democrat Trump hater from Aurora,

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Colorado.

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That's why it's so fun to listen to.

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One more from Fiona here, because, you know,

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we're so we're just, we're just out in

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I tell you, you know, the president has

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a team of advisors around him.

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And in a traditional administration, those advisors would

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be setting the policy.

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They would be planning the optics and they

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would be thinking through that.

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Do you think that the president's team set

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him up for success here?

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Oh, goodness gracious.

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of the demands, because we've heard from Secretary

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Rubio, which I have to say, I think

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was a very fair assessment of where things

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of the demands by the Russians to make

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any progress in moving further forward was to

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actually have that kind of show of pomp

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and pageantry that basically marks Putin's re-entry.

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Hold on a second.

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When you fly our awesome B-2 bomber,

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because it just looks cool.

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Not on the ground.

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Those wonky legs don't look cool.

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But when it's flying over, I mean, that

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to me said, yeah, bitch, look up.

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I mean, how can anyone see that differently?

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Oh, oh, we're honoring you, Mr. Putin.

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I don't understand how you can.

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That can be the takeaway.

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If you've got a skewed perspective.

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No.

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Into international affairs.

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Maybe the Russians said to them in Moscow,

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either to Steve Whitkoff or to Secretary Rubio

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or to anybody else that basically they wanted

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to have a major U.S.-Russia bilateral summit

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appearance before they would move on to the

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nitty gritty of anything else in Ukraine.

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That's, you know, to give them all the

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benefits of the doubt there.

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But it all now depends on what comes

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out of this.

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And I think, again, Secretary Rubio made it

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very clear that it's not going to be

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easy.

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He was certainly downplaying any expectations of a

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major breakthrough, but he did say that there

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was something that might be possible.

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I think that's what's going to be the

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proof of whether this was actually worth all

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the effort that they went to in Alaska

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or not.

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Blah, blah, blah, blah.

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OK, so I'm playing these in reverse order

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just to get all the idiots out of

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the way.

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So now we go to Jason Crow.

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On Ukraine, you know that the U.S.

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intelligence assessment is that the battlefield is turning

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in Russia's favor, despite the fact that Putin

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has to rely on Iran and North Korea

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to keep this thing going.

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President Biden.

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By the way, I love that little, oh,

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they have to rely on Iran and North

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Korea, which is a kinky little country.

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And Iran's got issues on their own.

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But somehow the giant Russian Federation has to

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rely on those two.

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Otherwise, they'd fall apart.

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Give me a break.

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But this is well, we'll get to with

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analysis.

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Let's just take it.

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Take it as the hits come here.

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But this is well, we'll

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get to with analysis.

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Take it as the hits come here.

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Take it as the hits come here.

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But this is well, we'll get to with

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analysis.

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Take it as the hits come here.

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But this is well, we'll get to with

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analysis.

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Take it as the hits come here.

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They keep on saying they're dedicating time.

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They're making it a priority.

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They're focusing their attention on it.

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In any negotiation, when you're trying to end

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an armed conflict, there's nothing more important than

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understanding what motivates your adversary.

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What is making Vladimir Putin tick in this

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instance?

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Vladimir Putin does not care about the amount

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of time that we're allocating.

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Does not care about a B-2 bomber

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flyover.

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Does not care about a lineup.

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Well, wait a minute.

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If this was all kowtowing to Putin, why

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doesn't he care?

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Then it was a failure, I guess.

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If he doesn't care, these people.

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About the amount of time that we're allocating

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does not care about a B-2 bomber

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flyover.

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Does not care about a lineup of F

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-22 fighters rolled out.

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He doesn't care about any of that.

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What Vladimir Putin cares about is basically three

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things.

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He cares about economic pressure in the form

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of sanctions.

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He cares about political and diplomatic isolation, being

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a pariah state.

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And he cares about military defeat.

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Those are the three things that will end

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this conflict.

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If he feels pressure on all of those

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three fronts, and this administration continues to be

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unwilling to do anything to assert pressure in

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any of those three areas.

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Okay, there's no sanctions or anything like that.

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But when did the representative from Colorado become

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such an expert on what Putin cares about?

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Other than just the drinking club, I guess?

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Well, he's an ex-military guy.

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He's on the House Armed Forces Committee.

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So I guess he's an expert.

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But then he just hates the, everyone in

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the M5M just hated the red carpet.

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This one, this one.

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That is only for our Hollywood celebrities.

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We don't do it for foreign heads or

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pariah states.

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They were freaked out about the red carpet.

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They did not like it.

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Look at what happened, people.

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U.S. military personnel in uniform.

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In uniform.

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Oh, no.

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Literally were on their hands and knees rolling

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out a red carpet for the most murderous

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dictator of the 21st century.

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Somebody who is kidnapped.

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The most murderous dictator.

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I thought that was Netanyahu.

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He got it all wrong.

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And is holding prisoner tens of thousands of

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Ukrainian children.

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Somebody who started this whole war.

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This both sides-ism that the administration is

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engaging in.

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That both sides need to come to the

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table and negotiate.

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Ukraine is the victim.

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They are the victim.

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They didn't start this war, Russia did.

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And somehow we keep on acting like Vladimir

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Putin deserves to be brought out into the

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open like any other head of state.

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This is a historic embarrassment and defeat for

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U.S. foreign policy.

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Oh, goodness.

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These people are living in the 70s.

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Or at least their policies.

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Before we even get to Rubio, which is

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next.

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Did you see Swalwell doing the rounds?

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Yes, Swalwell was doing the rounds.

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I saw this.

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Wearing a Ukrainian T-shirt, kind of a

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drab olive.

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Pretty much Zelensky's night shirt.

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Does he think that beard looks good on

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him?

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And he should brush his teeth.

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Maybe that's just video artifacts, but looks a

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little skanky.

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Anyway, here's his...

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He looks like a bum.

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Congressman, your sense of where this goes from

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here?

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Well, if you're Europe, you're quite worried now.

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Because you just saw the President of the

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United States achieve zero.

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And they will have to ask themselves, what

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more are they willing to do?

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Knowing that they too could be thrown under

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the bus if Russia ever moved farther west.

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But as far as objectives, I was hoping

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to hear that there would be a trilateral

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meeting.

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That didn't come out of this.

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I was hoping to hear there would be

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a ceasefire.

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That didn't come out of this.

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That would be proposed or exchanged by both

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sides.

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That didn't come out of this.

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Look, Alicia, I don't know if Donald Trump

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is or is not a Russian asset.

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I do know that at press conferences like

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this, and like at Helsinki, he certainly acts

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like one.

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And that is cold comfort for anyone in

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the United States, particularly in our military, that

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the Commander-in-Chief would be so flattering

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of and so charming to a ruthless dictator

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like Vladimir Putin.

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So where was he?

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Hold on a second.

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Where was he flattering to Putin?

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Putin's the one who was flattering him.

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Red carpet, baby.

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The red carpet was flattering.

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The pomp and the hello, my friend Vladimir.

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It was just flattering.

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They didn't treat him like the murderous dictator

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that he is.

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And we just need to reset for one

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moment.

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Because it does not.

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It's history just gets papered over, as it

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always does.

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And it works in some cases.

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Well, I have some.

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I have some reminder clips here.

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Well, why don't we do a reminder clip

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before we get to Rubio?

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OK, well, here's the reminder clip.

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This was on.

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This was on BBC.

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No.

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I think it might have been BBC, but

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it could have been.

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Yeah, it was BBC.

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This is Trump Putin anal.

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Oh, anal.

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Not the not the regular opener.

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No, this is the Trump Putin anal.

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You and this is the Russian United Nations

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ambassador.

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And he is.

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By the way, if you're new to the

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show, if you're new to the show, that's

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short for analysis.

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It's just a long running joke.

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Don't be a joke.

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I use that term because it's easier.

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It makes the length of the clip name

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shorter.

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It's the only word you spell correctly because

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it's all uppercase just to make sure I

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know what it is.

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But I'm with you.

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Just just helping people who are new to

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the show.

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Oh, I was just naming the clip.

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I didn't even think of the double entendre.

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I know because we're beyond that.

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But there's sometimes there are new listeners.

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Oh, I see.

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We have a bunch of people with dirty

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minds.

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OK, well, here's the anal from Russia.

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There is a different standpoint.

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And there are a lot of people who

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are now in Mariupol and who are very

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happy about this fact.

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And you can't deny it.

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So it depends very much on your standpoint.

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And also you should take into account the

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views of about seven million Ukrainians who found

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refuge in Russia after this whole thing started.

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They also have their position.

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They want to be to be identified as

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Russian speakers.

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They want to preserve their belief in canonic

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Orthodox Church.

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They don't want to be harassed by the

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Zelensky regime.

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This is also their choice and it should

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be respected.

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There is a view, as you will well

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know, that President Putin has to a degree

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played President Trump here.

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President Trump only a few days ago mentioned

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the potential for serious consequences if the fighting

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didn't end serious consequences for Moscow.

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They've gone away now, haven't they?

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President Trump is undoubtedly a clever man.

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He takes decisions on the basis of what

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he hears and what he processes, what he

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understands.

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So he now has a very good opportunity

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for an in-depth discussion with President Putin.

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I think this is fruitful for him.

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And this is fruitful for us as well

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to better understand each other's standpoint.

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And it's absolutely no surprise to me that

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President Trump made certain conclusions that would change

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his positions, which he took based on some

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distorted information and even a misinterpretation of certain

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of our statements.

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And who is this guy who's talking?

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He's the ambassador of the United Nations from

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Russia.

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Ah, okay.

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All right.

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But where's the history lesson?

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I have one more clip from him where

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he talks about the history.

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And then I want to play Mearsheimer, who's

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another character in the analysis play.

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So let's play two.

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The European position now, the EU's top diplomat,

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Kaya Kallis, once the prime minister of Estonia,

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has said, quote, the harsh reality is that

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Russia has no intention of ending this war

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anytime soon.

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And she sees the summit in Alaska as

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President Putin's way of extending this process without

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actually resolving the fighting at all.

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That's true, isn't it?

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Leading the witness.

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Maybe it's true according to the distorted vision

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of Ms. Kallis and her colleagues.

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Because the problem in Europe now is that

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they don't have a strategic vision about what's

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happening.

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They have only Russophobia and the notion of

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zero-sum games.

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00:19:02,900 --> 00:19:04,900
In their mind, and that's not something that

556
00:19:04,900 --> 00:19:07,660
you will have a positive outcome during the

557
00:19:07,660 --> 00:19:08,260
negotiations.

558
00:19:08,640 --> 00:19:10,560
So you know that we, from the outset,

559
00:19:10,800 --> 00:19:15,580
we were against any military exercises, any military

560
00:19:15,580 --> 00:19:17,980
efforts to solve the crisis.

561
00:19:18,160 --> 00:19:20,900
We were making a lot of proposals which

562
00:19:20,900 --> 00:19:21,540
were rejected.

563
00:19:22,240 --> 00:19:24,240
And then it started when it started.

564
00:19:24,520 --> 00:19:26,000
We didn't have any other choice.

565
00:19:26,040 --> 00:19:28,260
Well, it started when you invaded Ukraine, and

566
00:19:28,260 --> 00:19:31,360
since then 13,500 civilians in Ukraine have

567
00:19:31,360 --> 00:19:31,740
been killed.

568
00:19:31,740 --> 00:19:36,080
With all due respect, it started much earlier,

569
00:19:36,200 --> 00:19:39,400
in 2014, when the West created anti-Russia

570
00:19:39,400 --> 00:19:41,540
as a result of anti-constitutional coup.

571
00:19:42,020 --> 00:19:43,500
And it's very hard to deny it.

572
00:19:43,920 --> 00:19:45,600
And that's the problem of Europe, that you

573
00:19:45,600 --> 00:19:48,800
want to show that it all started in

574
00:19:48,800 --> 00:19:49,600
2022.

575
00:19:49,920 --> 00:19:52,200
And it didn't happen in the vacuum.

576
00:19:52,480 --> 00:19:54,380
There were a lot of things prior to

577
00:19:54,380 --> 00:19:54,560
this.

578
00:19:54,620 --> 00:19:57,000
And it's very good that President Trump now

579
00:19:57,000 --> 00:19:59,620
realizes that it has certain history which should

580
00:19:59,620 --> 00:20:00,780
be taken into consideration.

581
00:20:00,780 --> 00:20:01,500
Isn't it good?

582
00:20:02,240 --> 00:20:03,700
Briefly, if I may, with one more.

583
00:20:04,000 --> 00:20:07,640
Is President Putin willing to meet President Zelensky

584
00:20:07,640 --> 00:20:09,460
in the coming days and weeks?

585
00:20:10,020 --> 00:20:14,200
President Putin never denied the possibility of meeting

586
00:20:14,200 --> 00:20:15,200
President Zelensky.

587
00:20:15,380 --> 00:20:16,540
Is he willing to meet him?

588
00:20:16,580 --> 00:20:18,040
That's a slightly different...

589
00:20:18,600 --> 00:20:19,600
I'm not President Putin.

590
00:20:19,780 --> 00:20:20,960
I can't say whether he will.

591
00:20:21,080 --> 00:20:21,720
Would you like him to?

592
00:20:21,720 --> 00:20:26,160
I'm judging from his statement, and I'm processing

593
00:20:26,160 --> 00:20:26,780
his statement.

594
00:20:26,780 --> 00:20:29,200
So, he said that such a meeting should

595
00:20:29,200 --> 00:20:31,000
be well prepared, and we are not yet

596
00:20:31,000 --> 00:20:31,400
there.

597
00:20:32,060 --> 00:20:34,160
So, that, I think, is where we stand

598
00:20:34,160 --> 00:20:34,700
right now.

599
00:20:35,400 --> 00:20:37,060
Dmitry Polyansky, thank you very much.

600
00:20:37,120 --> 00:20:40,060
Russia's first Deputy Permanent Representative to the United

601
00:20:40,060 --> 00:20:40,460
Nations.

602
00:20:40,520 --> 00:20:42,540
So, the piece that is just...

603
00:20:42,540 --> 00:20:44,380
I mean, he's alluding to it.

604
00:20:44,860 --> 00:20:47,540
But let's just call a spade a spade.

605
00:20:47,680 --> 00:20:51,680
The United States, the nutjobs in the...

606
00:20:51,680 --> 00:20:53,960
I'll just call it the Victorian Newlands of

607
00:20:53,960 --> 00:20:54,480
the world.

608
00:20:54,480 --> 00:20:56,680
They're the ones that started this.

609
00:20:56,760 --> 00:21:00,000
They're the ones that have hated Russia with

610
00:21:00,000 --> 00:21:01,610
just complete disdain.

611
00:21:03,140 --> 00:21:05,320
F the EU, by the way, was what

612
00:21:05,320 --> 00:21:05,720
she said.

613
00:21:05,740 --> 00:21:06,260
Who cares?

614
00:21:06,620 --> 00:21:08,380
We just want to get these Russians.

615
00:21:08,560 --> 00:21:11,240
We just want the Russians mainly to steal

616
00:21:11,240 --> 00:21:12,140
their stuff.

617
00:21:13,680 --> 00:21:14,760
You know, what was it?

618
00:21:14,800 --> 00:21:16,560
Five billion from Chevron?

619
00:21:17,760 --> 00:21:20,280
It's like, we're the bad guys here.

620
00:21:21,300 --> 00:21:23,200
And now we're trying to set it all

621
00:21:23,200 --> 00:21:23,940
straight.

622
00:21:25,380 --> 00:21:26,840
But no one remembers.

623
00:21:26,940 --> 00:21:28,380
No one remembers past 2022.

624
00:21:28,720 --> 00:21:29,960
There's no more history.

625
00:21:31,180 --> 00:21:33,920
And we're just two old boomers who remember

626
00:21:33,920 --> 00:21:34,460
stuff.

627
00:21:35,080 --> 00:21:37,800
Well, it's because this actually happened during the

628
00:21:37,800 --> 00:21:41,220
show era of the No Agenda show.

629
00:21:41,320 --> 00:21:42,100
Yes, it was a fine era.

630
00:21:42,100 --> 00:21:43,180
We witnessed the whole thing.

631
00:21:43,380 --> 00:21:46,480
We had Nuland gotten your phone tapped.

632
00:21:47,020 --> 00:21:50,400
We had John Brennan, the head of the

633
00:21:50,400 --> 00:21:52,300
CIA in Ukraine.

634
00:21:53,580 --> 00:21:56,560
Let's not forget the downing of the Malaysian

635
00:21:56,560 --> 00:22:00,560
aircraft, which was consistently blamed on Russia, thanks

636
00:22:00,560 --> 00:22:04,980
to open source intelligence, such as Bellingcat.

637
00:22:06,260 --> 00:22:07,720
Whatever happened to them?

638
00:22:07,980 --> 00:22:09,380
Yeah, well, the funding stopped.

639
00:22:09,500 --> 00:22:10,880
No, the whole thing was set up by

640
00:22:10,880 --> 00:22:11,320
us.

641
00:22:11,860 --> 00:22:13,840
And we're trying to get out of it.

642
00:22:14,440 --> 00:22:18,220
And we want to forget these past facts.

643
00:22:19,260 --> 00:22:21,320
Can we play the Mearsheimer clip?

644
00:22:23,660 --> 00:22:25,320
Who was Mearsheimer?

645
00:22:25,700 --> 00:22:28,200
Mearsheimer is a professor who's been in and

646
00:22:28,200 --> 00:22:29,280
out of the news a lot.

647
00:22:29,740 --> 00:22:33,720
He's probably anti-Trump, probably a Democrat, but

648
00:22:33,720 --> 00:22:34,960
he's got good analysis.

649
00:22:35,300 --> 00:22:37,100
And this was part of a long podcast,

650
00:22:38,100 --> 00:22:39,520
one of the spinoff podcasts.

651
00:22:41,020 --> 00:22:43,520
And these guys, they always get these guys

652
00:22:43,520 --> 00:22:43,780
on.

653
00:22:44,200 --> 00:22:46,560
And he thinks Trump didn't know what the

654
00:22:46,560 --> 00:22:47,460
hell was going on.

655
00:22:48,880 --> 00:22:51,880
This is only part of a long hour

656
00:22:51,880 --> 00:22:53,360
or so of him yakking away.

657
00:22:53,520 --> 00:22:54,900
But this is a good part.

658
00:22:55,460 --> 00:22:59,140
But just as a summary, he believes Trump

659
00:22:59,140 --> 00:23:01,060
didn't know what the hell he was doing.

660
00:23:01,340 --> 00:23:03,580
He didn't understand the situation.

661
00:23:04,080 --> 00:23:06,440
He's very short term memory, doesn't know anything

662
00:23:06,440 --> 00:23:08,260
about the 2014 thing, really.

663
00:23:09,580 --> 00:23:10,960
It's just a lot of this, a lot

664
00:23:10,960 --> 00:23:11,420
of that.

665
00:23:11,420 --> 00:23:16,780
And he makes the assertion that Trump made

666
00:23:16,780 --> 00:23:20,840
a mistake when he promised secondary sanctions on

667
00:23:20,840 --> 00:23:23,060
the oil going to India and China and

668
00:23:23,060 --> 00:23:25,860
found a way out of his own dilemma

669
00:23:25,860 --> 00:23:26,860
with this meeting.

670
00:23:27,020 --> 00:23:28,560
And now he could back off of that

671
00:23:28,560 --> 00:23:30,980
idea because he realized it wasn't a good

672
00:23:30,980 --> 00:23:31,300
one.

673
00:23:31,740 --> 00:23:35,000
And here's some summary that he kind of

674
00:23:35,000 --> 00:23:35,660
wraps with.

675
00:23:35,660 --> 00:23:39,680
I think there's one very important dimension to

676
00:23:39,680 --> 00:23:42,260
what Trump said, that we don't want to

677
00:23:42,260 --> 00:23:43,160
lose sight of.

678
00:23:43,400 --> 00:23:44,960
Yeah, it's called dimension B.

679
00:23:45,540 --> 00:23:48,600
And that is, I think he's passing the

680
00:23:48,600 --> 00:23:50,040
torch to Zelensky.

681
00:23:50,240 --> 00:23:53,320
I think in a very important way, Trump

682
00:23:53,320 --> 00:23:57,440
has come to understand that he can't settle

683
00:23:57,440 --> 00:23:58,000
this one.

684
00:23:58,980 --> 00:24:01,400
There's no way he can agree Trump to

685
00:24:01,400 --> 00:24:05,240
a peace agreement and convince the Ukrainians, the

686
00:24:05,240 --> 00:24:08,160
Europeans, and the Western foreign policy establishment that

687
00:24:08,160 --> 00:24:09,560
that's the smart thing to do.

688
00:24:09,680 --> 00:24:12,140
He can't convince Putin to agree to a

689
00:24:12,140 --> 00:24:12,440
ceasefire.

690
00:24:13,060 --> 00:24:14,440
So what can Trump do?

691
00:24:14,880 --> 00:24:16,960
And of course, what Zelensky says he should

692
00:24:16,960 --> 00:24:20,920
do is put secondary sanctions on Russia.

693
00:24:21,160 --> 00:24:23,120
And we can talk about that because this

694
00:24:23,120 --> 00:24:26,480
meeting was in good part about secondary sanctions

695
00:24:26,480 --> 00:24:30,500
and Trump's interest in secondary sanctions in the

696
00:24:30,500 --> 00:24:30,840
past.

697
00:24:30,840 --> 00:24:32,840
But Trump understands.

698
00:24:33,580 --> 00:24:35,940
He was asked afterwards what this means for

699
00:24:35,940 --> 00:24:37,020
secondary sanctions.

700
00:24:37,360 --> 00:24:39,120
There are going to be no secondary sanctions,

701
00:24:39,320 --> 00:24:41,660
at least at this point, says Trump.

702
00:24:42,020 --> 00:24:43,840
So the sanctions are off the table.

703
00:24:44,440 --> 00:24:46,820
The ceasefire is off the table.

704
00:24:47,260 --> 00:24:49,640
Trump has basically agreed with Putin that you

705
00:24:49,640 --> 00:24:50,540
got to go directly.

706
00:24:50,680 --> 00:24:52,220
He said this, you got to go directly

707
00:24:52,220 --> 00:24:53,220
to a peace agreement.

708
00:24:54,060 --> 00:24:56,460
So Zelensky comes to the White House.

709
00:24:57,000 --> 00:24:57,980
What does this mean?

710
00:24:57,980 --> 00:25:02,360
He's basically saying, I believe that Zelensky and

711
00:25:02,360 --> 00:25:05,660
the Europeans can now sit down with Putin

712
00:25:05,660 --> 00:25:07,280
and they can work this out.

713
00:25:07,460 --> 00:25:10,100
If they need me, I'll be there.

714
00:25:10,420 --> 00:25:11,520
But it's up to them.

715
00:25:11,860 --> 00:25:14,180
I'm not going to cut a deal and

716
00:25:14,180 --> 00:25:15,780
then try and force it down the throats

717
00:25:15,780 --> 00:25:18,540
of the Ukrainians and the Europeans because they

718
00:25:18,540 --> 00:25:19,960
don't want to go along with me.

719
00:25:20,460 --> 00:25:22,440
So if you listen to the press conference,

720
00:25:22,520 --> 00:25:23,940
this is what you were playing.

721
00:25:23,940 --> 00:25:28,620
He said it's ultimately up to them.

722
00:25:28,880 --> 00:25:30,640
He said he's going to call NATO.

723
00:25:31,100 --> 00:25:33,060
He's going to call the Ukrainians.

724
00:25:33,380 --> 00:25:36,020
But what happens is, and these were his

725
00:25:36,020 --> 00:25:39,740
words, it is ultimately up to them.

726
00:25:40,420 --> 00:25:43,020
But that's exactly what the truth is.

727
00:25:44,360 --> 00:25:47,720
And I think before we get to Rubio

728
00:25:47,720 --> 00:25:50,780
here, the Europeans don't want peace.

729
00:25:50,900 --> 00:25:52,340
They have no economy.

730
00:25:52,340 --> 00:25:56,420
As Macron said, war economy.

731
00:25:56,900 --> 00:25:59,200
As Pieper said, we're going into debt.

732
00:25:59,520 --> 00:26:03,120
We're changing our car companies into tank building

733
00:26:03,120 --> 00:26:03,680
companies.

734
00:26:04,000 --> 00:26:05,740
They need an enemy.

735
00:26:06,420 --> 00:26:09,720
So whatever the outcome, it has to be

736
00:26:09,720 --> 00:26:15,920
unsettled because they need to continue to milk

737
00:26:15,920 --> 00:26:21,200
the European citizenry of their money and print

738
00:26:21,200 --> 00:26:22,600
it, which is the same thing.

739
00:26:22,740 --> 00:26:23,640
It's also stealing.

740
00:26:24,580 --> 00:26:26,740
So that they can continue to have any

741
00:26:26,740 --> 00:26:27,660
kind of economy.

742
00:26:28,940 --> 00:26:32,280
And maybe President Putin also kind of needs

743
00:26:32,280 --> 00:26:34,740
that himself, the way the sanctions are and

744
00:26:34,740 --> 00:26:36,060
not on Swift.

745
00:26:36,340 --> 00:26:38,920
Yeah, you can still sell oil to China

746
00:26:38,920 --> 00:26:42,900
and India and doesn't really want secondary sanctions.

747
00:26:43,620 --> 00:26:47,500
But the entire Western, and so are we,

748
00:26:47,580 --> 00:26:49,340
by the way, we're now selling the gear.

749
00:26:50,160 --> 00:26:51,820
Well, at least we're not giving it away.

750
00:26:51,940 --> 00:26:52,840
No, that's better.

751
00:26:53,280 --> 00:26:56,300
But there's no outrage over our stuff killing

752
00:26:56,300 --> 00:26:56,800
people.

753
00:26:57,300 --> 00:26:57,420
Okay.

754
00:26:59,820 --> 00:27:02,460
And that was the whole NATO 5%.

755
00:27:02,460 --> 00:27:04,400
It was first 2%.

756
00:27:04,400 --> 00:27:05,680
We're not doing it.

757
00:27:05,760 --> 00:27:07,300
Then I want five because I really want

758
00:27:07,300 --> 00:27:07,880
three and a half.

759
00:27:07,940 --> 00:27:08,860
He gets three and a half.

760
00:27:09,220 --> 00:27:10,320
They're buying it from us.

761
00:27:10,380 --> 00:27:13,960
They make hundreds of billions of euros available

762
00:27:13,960 --> 00:27:15,620
to buy our stuff.

763
00:27:15,620 --> 00:27:18,440
So we're right now in a global war

764
00:27:18,440 --> 00:27:19,000
economy.

765
00:27:19,180 --> 00:27:21,260
And we actually have another out.

766
00:27:21,400 --> 00:27:23,680
We don't really need this one because we've

767
00:27:23,680 --> 00:27:27,880
got China, Taiwan, China, ships, submarines, bases.

768
00:27:28,480 --> 00:27:30,080
So we're covered.

769
00:27:31,940 --> 00:27:34,320
And I don't think any of these people

770
00:27:34,320 --> 00:27:35,600
don't really want a deal.

771
00:27:36,420 --> 00:27:39,280
At least not one that doesn't include war

772
00:27:39,280 --> 00:27:39,800
machinery.

773
00:27:41,480 --> 00:27:42,840
Your thoughts, John C.

774
00:27:42,860 --> 00:27:43,340
DuBois, I go.

775
00:27:46,060 --> 00:27:47,340
What say you?

776
00:27:47,600 --> 00:27:50,140
Well, we have both concluded that the Europeans

777
00:27:50,140 --> 00:27:52,320
are warmongers in general.

778
00:27:52,700 --> 00:27:54,880
They have a war mentality.

779
00:27:55,020 --> 00:27:56,120
They've always had this.

780
00:27:56,200 --> 00:27:58,320
It's been a problem with them all the

781
00:27:58,320 --> 00:27:58,640
time.

782
00:27:58,720 --> 00:28:00,240
It's one of the reasons our country was

783
00:28:00,240 --> 00:28:01,540
formed in the first place.

784
00:28:01,900 --> 00:28:02,020
True.

785
00:28:03,300 --> 00:28:05,320
And to get away from them.

786
00:28:05,360 --> 00:28:06,880
And that's where I find the father says,

787
00:28:06,880 --> 00:28:09,320
let's stay out of these guys business because

788
00:28:09,320 --> 00:28:10,780
they're just going to kill each other.

789
00:28:10,800 --> 00:28:12,020
That's what they like to do.

790
00:28:12,840 --> 00:28:15,040
And that's what they're going to continue to

791
00:28:15,040 --> 00:28:15,200
do.

792
00:28:15,320 --> 00:28:16,700
I see no evidence of the contrary.

793
00:28:16,800 --> 00:28:17,700
That's going to change.

794
00:28:18,040 --> 00:28:21,940
So Marco Rubio, who, you know, of course,

795
00:28:22,100 --> 00:28:25,640
if you walk around Fredericksburg and say Marco,

796
00:28:25,900 --> 00:28:27,320
oh, can't trust him.

797
00:28:27,500 --> 00:28:28,380
There is a snake.

798
00:28:28,480 --> 00:28:29,740
He's a snake in disguise.

799
00:28:30,160 --> 00:28:31,220
And why is that?

800
00:28:31,260 --> 00:28:32,280
I have no idea.

801
00:28:33,400 --> 00:28:34,940
What has he done that snake like?

802
00:28:35,800 --> 00:28:36,260
Dancing.

803
00:28:37,160 --> 00:28:37,980
He was a dancer.

804
00:28:37,980 --> 00:28:39,580
He was a dancer.

805
00:28:40,500 --> 00:28:40,980
Stripper.

806
00:28:43,080 --> 00:28:43,560
Chippendale.

807
00:28:43,680 --> 00:28:45,080
I didn't know if he was a Chippendale.

808
00:28:45,240 --> 00:28:46,640
He probably didn't make it to the Chippendale

809
00:28:46,640 --> 00:28:50,520
leagues, but he's very gracious in this interview.

810
00:28:50,760 --> 00:28:54,320
First by for a while to start off.

811
00:28:54,440 --> 00:28:56,580
Well, first of all, he sounds like, oh

812
00:28:56,580 --> 00:28:58,440
my God, I can't believe I have to

813
00:28:58,440 --> 00:28:59,860
talk to this woman here.

814
00:28:59,980 --> 00:29:00,720
This is horrible.

815
00:29:00,860 --> 00:29:02,480
Yes, he does not like talking.

816
00:29:02,680 --> 00:29:04,820
And then he just skips over the whole

817
00:29:04,820 --> 00:29:07,060
what really started this, which is kind of

818
00:29:07,060 --> 00:29:09,980
gracious towards his predecessors, which President Trump is

819
00:29:09,980 --> 00:29:10,360
not.

820
00:29:10,520 --> 00:29:11,180
But here we go.

821
00:29:11,340 --> 00:29:12,420
Good morning to you, Mr. Secretary.

822
00:29:19,980 --> 00:29:21,560
I really why am I here?

823
00:29:21,580 --> 00:29:22,860
Good morning to you, Mr. Secretary.

824
00:29:23,880 --> 00:29:24,380
Good morning.

825
00:29:24,860 --> 00:29:25,280
Thank you.

826
00:29:26,020 --> 00:29:28,620
Vladimir Putin did not give President Trump the

827
00:29:28,620 --> 00:29:29,740
ceasefire he sought.

828
00:29:30,020 --> 00:29:32,780
And now Putin says the root causes of

829
00:29:32,780 --> 00:29:34,580
the conflict have to be resolved in a

830
00:29:34,580 --> 00:29:35,260
peace agreement.

831
00:29:36,340 --> 00:29:38,100
Doesn't the root cause the fact that Russia

832
00:29:38,100 --> 00:29:39,520
invaded in the first place?

833
00:29:40,480 --> 00:29:41,080
Oh, boy.

834
00:29:41,320 --> 00:29:41,840
Oh, boy.

835
00:29:42,420 --> 00:29:43,300
Well, ultimately, yeah.

836
00:29:43,420 --> 00:29:44,560
But I mean, what he means by root

837
00:29:44,560 --> 00:29:47,100
causes is long historical complaints that we've heard

838
00:29:47,100 --> 00:29:47,480
repeatedly.

839
00:29:47,480 --> 00:29:48,600
This is not a new argument.

840
00:29:48,660 --> 00:29:50,060
He's been making this for a long time.

841
00:29:50,060 --> 00:29:52,620
And it's the argument that it's Western encroachment.

842
00:29:52,760 --> 00:29:53,580
I don't want to get into it.

843
00:29:53,620 --> 00:29:54,200
It's just so long.

844
00:29:54,240 --> 00:29:57,860
But the bottom line is, this bothers me

845
00:29:57,860 --> 00:29:58,500
a little bit.

846
00:29:58,760 --> 00:29:59,860
I don't want to get into it.

847
00:30:00,360 --> 00:30:02,460
Yeah, he could have brought the 2014 thing

848
00:30:02,460 --> 00:30:02,640
up.

849
00:30:02,740 --> 00:30:04,140
He could have brought a lot up.

850
00:30:04,840 --> 00:30:04,940
Yeah.

851
00:30:06,100 --> 00:30:08,200
But again, I just think he's being gracious

852
00:30:08,200 --> 00:30:10,460
or I don't know, but towards the Biden

853
00:30:10,460 --> 00:30:12,220
administration and predecessors.

854
00:30:13,040 --> 00:30:13,700
But OK.

855
00:30:14,140 --> 00:30:14,680
All right.

856
00:30:14,720 --> 00:30:16,100
Well, just I don't want to bring it

857
00:30:16,100 --> 00:30:16,280
up.

858
00:30:16,340 --> 00:30:17,380
How about moving forward?

859
00:30:17,460 --> 00:30:18,040
It's an encroachment.

860
00:30:18,160 --> 00:30:19,000
I don't want to get into it.

861
00:30:19,040 --> 00:30:19,620
It's just so long.

862
00:30:19,660 --> 00:30:21,060
But the bottom line is that all of

863
00:30:21,060 --> 00:30:22,480
you know, we're not going to focus on

864
00:30:22,480 --> 00:30:23,140
all of that stuff.

865
00:30:23,200 --> 00:30:24,240
We're going to focus on this.

866
00:30:24,480 --> 00:30:25,820
Are they going to stop fighting or not?

867
00:30:25,820 --> 00:30:27,420
And what it's going to take to stop

868
00:30:27,420 --> 00:30:28,560
the fighting and what it's going to take

869
00:30:28,560 --> 00:30:29,300
to stop the fighting.

870
00:30:29,420 --> 00:30:31,000
If we're being honest and serious here is

871
00:30:31,000 --> 00:30:32,780
both sides are going to have to give

872
00:30:32,780 --> 00:30:34,460
and both sides should expect to get something

873
00:30:34,460 --> 00:30:35,020
from this.

874
00:30:35,380 --> 00:30:36,940
And that's a very difficult thing to do.

875
00:30:37,300 --> 00:30:39,600
It's very difficult because Ukraine obviously feels, you

876
00:30:39,600 --> 00:30:41,320
know, harmed and rightfully so because they were

877
00:30:41,320 --> 00:30:41,640
invaded.

878
00:30:41,900 --> 00:30:43,680
And the Russian side, because they feel like

879
00:30:43,680 --> 00:30:45,440
they've got momentum in the battlefield and frankly

880
00:30:45,440 --> 00:30:47,760
don't care, don't seem to care very much

881
00:30:47,760 --> 00:30:49,700
about how many Russian soldiers die in this

882
00:30:49,700 --> 00:30:50,000
endeavor.

883
00:30:50,240 --> 00:30:51,520
They just churn through it.

884
00:30:55,820 --> 00:30:57,760
And that's what his administration is placing on

885
00:30:57,760 --> 00:30:59,560
reaching a peace agreement for a war that's

886
00:30:59,560 --> 00:31:01,000
not a war that started under him.

887
00:31:01,440 --> 00:31:03,000
It's on the other side of the world.

888
00:31:03,360 --> 00:31:05,500
That said, I mean, it's relevant to us,

889
00:31:05,900 --> 00:31:07,220
but there are a lot of other issues

890
00:31:07,220 --> 00:31:08,260
he could be focused on.

891
00:31:08,540 --> 00:31:10,500
So tomorrow we'll be meeting with President Zelensky.

892
00:31:10,600 --> 00:31:11,900
We'll be meeting with European leaders.

893
00:31:12,000 --> 00:31:12,820
We just met with Putin.

894
00:31:13,220 --> 00:31:14,760
He's dedicated a lot of time and energy

895
00:31:14,760 --> 00:31:16,180
because he has made it a priority of

896
00:31:16,180 --> 00:31:19,920
his administration to stop wars or prevent them.

897
00:31:20,180 --> 00:31:21,620
And right now, this is the biggest war

898
00:31:21,620 --> 00:31:22,540
going on in the world.

899
00:31:25,820 --> 00:31:26,600
And we're going to continue to do everything

900
00:31:26,600 --> 00:31:28,620
we can to reach an agreement that ends

901
00:31:28,620 --> 00:31:30,800
the dying and the killing and the suffering

902
00:31:30,800 --> 00:31:32,080
that's going on right now.

903
00:31:32,860 --> 00:31:33,420
All right.

904
00:31:33,480 --> 00:31:35,940
So by the way, I think someone slipped

905
00:31:35,940 --> 00:31:38,480
him some gigawatt because he's sparking up a

906
00:31:38,480 --> 00:31:38,820
little bit.

907
00:31:39,200 --> 00:31:40,560
I should wake up here.

908
00:31:40,620 --> 00:31:41,120
This is important.

909
00:31:41,240 --> 00:31:41,560
Important.

910
00:31:41,660 --> 00:31:42,480
It's going to be played on the No

911
00:31:42,480 --> 00:31:43,020
Agenda show.

912
00:31:43,140 --> 00:31:44,260
I got to get some clips for the

913
00:31:44,260 --> 00:31:44,560
boys.

914
00:31:44,900 --> 00:31:48,440
You know this well, how long these kind

915
00:31:48,440 --> 00:31:50,560
of diplomatic negotiations often take.

916
00:31:50,560 --> 00:31:53,460
President Trump was telling European leaders what was

917
00:31:53,460 --> 00:31:57,080
discussed was Putin demanding control of Donetsk, a

918
00:31:57,080 --> 00:31:58,640
region in the east that his forces do

919
00:31:58,640 --> 00:31:59,620
not fully hold.

920
00:31:59,800 --> 00:32:02,780
And the U.K. estimates that taking that

921
00:32:02,780 --> 00:32:04,820
full area could be as long as another

922
00:32:04,820 --> 00:32:05,640
four years.

923
00:32:06,120 --> 00:32:09,000
Putin also is demanding Russian be an official

924
00:32:09,000 --> 00:32:12,100
language in Ukraine and something regarding Russian Orthodox

925
00:32:12,100 --> 00:32:12,700
churches.

926
00:32:13,160 --> 00:32:14,720
Did the U.S. Something.

927
00:32:15,100 --> 00:32:15,740
No.

928
00:32:16,160 --> 00:32:17,820
Something, something about Orthodox.

929
00:32:17,820 --> 00:32:18,800
The other guy had it right.

930
00:32:20,560 --> 00:32:22,760
Some areas are Russian speaking already.

931
00:32:22,960 --> 00:32:23,140
Yeah.

932
00:32:23,300 --> 00:32:25,400
And they want to be Russian and they

933
00:32:25,400 --> 00:32:27,220
want to be Russian and they and they

934
00:32:27,220 --> 00:32:29,060
want to keep speaking Russian because you have

935
00:32:29,060 --> 00:32:31,960
to remember that the Ukrainian government made it

936
00:32:31,960 --> 00:32:34,700
the Ukraine language crime and made a crime

937
00:32:34,700 --> 00:32:36,140
to speak Russian and made it a crime

938
00:32:36,140 --> 00:32:38,840
to speak Russian in the Russian speaking areas.

939
00:32:39,620 --> 00:32:42,360
And they don't want all the Ukrainians speaking

940
00:32:42,360 --> 00:32:44,060
Russian like she said.

941
00:32:44,300 --> 00:32:47,220
They don't want all the Ukrainians speak being

942
00:32:47,220 --> 00:32:50,400
part of the Russian Orthodox church like she

943
00:32:50,400 --> 00:32:50,940
said.

944
00:32:51,100 --> 00:32:52,580
She's full of shit.

945
00:32:53,100 --> 00:32:56,860
But my question from a media analyst standpoint.

946
00:32:58,780 --> 00:33:00,700
Why are they like this?

947
00:33:00,780 --> 00:33:03,780
Is this only to hate on Trump for

948
00:33:03,780 --> 00:33:08,160
midterms for Democrat wins or yes or or

949
00:33:08,160 --> 00:33:09,320
wait before you answer.

950
00:33:09,480 --> 00:33:12,620
Or is this because they're part of the

951
00:33:12,620 --> 00:33:15,940
war machine and just want more more war

952
00:33:15,940 --> 00:33:17,840
in the world which is good for over

953
00:33:17,840 --> 00:33:19,960
all business is good for her business too.

954
00:33:21,000 --> 00:33:21,940
If everything's great.

955
00:33:22,300 --> 00:33:23,660
I mean go look at you go look

956
00:33:23,660 --> 00:33:25,240
at news dot Google dot com.

957
00:33:25,320 --> 00:33:28,700
Tell me there's one happy story is happy

958
00:33:28,700 --> 00:33:31,340
stories and there's no happy stories in there.

959
00:33:31,620 --> 00:33:34,360
So but is is that why is it

960
00:33:34,360 --> 00:33:37,280
is the global structure reason the second reason

961
00:33:37,280 --> 00:33:39,680
is is just a just a bonus.

962
00:33:40,000 --> 00:33:40,160
OK.

963
00:33:40,360 --> 00:33:42,580
But they hate Trump because of the things

964
00:33:42,580 --> 00:33:45,120
he's doing not just because of who he

965
00:33:45,120 --> 00:33:46,920
is because of the things he's doing which

966
00:33:46,920 --> 00:33:50,960
is counter intuitive to the war of the

967
00:33:50,960 --> 00:33:51,400
world.

968
00:33:52,280 --> 00:33:54,380
So ultimately it all comes down to they

969
00:33:54,380 --> 00:33:58,340
want war they want strife they want people

970
00:33:58,340 --> 00:33:59,380
angry at each other.

971
00:33:59,560 --> 00:34:00,860
Am I am I missing something.

972
00:34:01,860 --> 00:34:04,080
Well what you're missing I think is that

973
00:34:04,080 --> 00:34:07,639
the Democrats in general were always the peaceniks

974
00:34:07,639 --> 00:34:10,620
and it had the role reversal took place

975
00:34:10,620 --> 00:34:12,739
where they're pro war and they don't really

976
00:34:12,739 --> 00:34:14,960
I don't believe that they actually want to

977
00:34:14,960 --> 00:34:15,820
be pro war.

978
00:34:16,040 --> 00:34:18,040
They're just kind of in that position because

979
00:34:18,040 --> 00:34:20,800
because Trump is such such a peacenik he's

980
00:34:20,800 --> 00:34:24,679
like a 60s peacenik and they don't know

981
00:34:24,679 --> 00:34:27,040
what they're beside themselves but the whole thing

982
00:34:27,040 --> 00:34:29,300
they figure can be resolved by winning the

983
00:34:29,300 --> 00:34:34,380
the 20 to 26 midterms and then impeaching

984
00:34:34,380 --> 00:34:35,000
him again.

985
00:34:35,280 --> 00:34:37,600
They think that's the solution to everything right

986
00:34:37,600 --> 00:34:39,460
so that they can go back to being

987
00:34:39,460 --> 00:34:40,280
warmongers.

988
00:34:40,719 --> 00:34:41,900
It all comes down to war.

989
00:34:42,080 --> 00:34:43,280
I don't think they want I think they'd

990
00:34:43,280 --> 00:34:45,179
rather go back to being peaceniks but they

991
00:34:45,179 --> 00:34:47,560
they have to rid themselves of this Trump

992
00:34:47,560 --> 00:34:47,880
thing.

993
00:34:48,199 --> 00:34:51,080
Please the military industrial complex has a hold

994
00:34:51,080 --> 00:34:51,480
of them.

995
00:34:51,739 --> 00:34:53,920
Maybe controlling them but I don't think that

996
00:34:53,920 --> 00:34:54,139
they're.

997
00:34:54,719 --> 00:34:55,380
In their hearts.

998
00:34:55,699 --> 00:34:56,620
Oh they have good hearts.

999
00:34:58,520 --> 00:34:59,900
Well I don't know if they have good

1000
00:34:59,900 --> 00:35:01,520
hearts or not I'm not I'm not a

1001
00:35:01,520 --> 00:35:05,360
mind reader but they it's just it's it's

1002
00:35:05,360 --> 00:35:07,920
they've put themselves in a position where they're

1003
00:35:07,920 --> 00:35:08,880
it's just awkward.

1004
00:35:09,460 --> 00:35:13,620
The Democrats are in a very awkward philosophical

1005
00:35:13,620 --> 00:35:15,120
position and they don't know what to do

1006
00:35:15,120 --> 00:35:15,400
about it.

1007
00:35:15,420 --> 00:35:17,320
That's one of the reasons they're so screwed

1008
00:35:17,320 --> 00:35:17,580
up.

1009
00:35:18,420 --> 00:35:18,980
We continue.

1010
00:35:19,160 --> 00:35:22,200
Language in Ukraine and something regarding Russian Orthodox

1011
00:35:22,200 --> 00:35:22,780
churches.

1012
00:35:23,200 --> 00:35:25,960
Did the U.S. accept all of what

1013
00:35:25,960 --> 00:35:27,340
Putin laid out at that table?

1014
00:35:27,480 --> 00:35:28,660
I'm not going to tell you honey.

1015
00:35:29,300 --> 00:35:30,920
The United States is not in a position

1016
00:35:30,920 --> 00:35:33,660
to accept anything or reject anything because ultimately

1017
00:35:33,660 --> 00:35:34,760
it's up to the Ukrainians.

1018
00:35:34,880 --> 00:35:36,080
They're the ones that Russia has to make

1019
00:35:36,080 --> 00:35:36,480
peace with.

1020
00:35:36,500 --> 00:35:38,140
The president said he didn't come to some

1021
00:35:38,140 --> 00:35:38,240
agreements.

1022
00:35:38,240 --> 00:35:39,440
It's up to the Ukrainians to make these

1023
00:35:39,440 --> 00:35:39,880
conditions.

1024
00:35:40,420 --> 00:35:42,240
Well the agreements were that we were going

1025
00:35:42,240 --> 00:35:43,760
to try to do things like for example

1026
00:35:43,760 --> 00:35:45,360
get a leader leaders meeting.

1027
00:35:45,700 --> 00:35:47,400
We have to make enough progress so that

1028
00:35:47,400 --> 00:35:49,640
we can sit down President Zelensky and President

1029
00:35:49,640 --> 00:35:51,080
Putin in the same place which is what

1030
00:35:51,080 --> 00:35:53,360
President Zelensky has been asking for and reach

1031
00:35:53,360 --> 00:35:55,080
a final agreement that ends this war.

1032
00:35:55,620 --> 00:35:58,000
Now there were some concepts and ideas discussed

1033
00:35:58,000 --> 00:35:59,560
that we know the Ukrainians can be very

1034
00:35:59,560 --> 00:36:00,720
supportive of in that meeting.

1035
00:36:01,100 --> 00:36:02,480
I don't think it's we're not going to

1036
00:36:02,480 --> 00:36:03,540
negotiate this in the media.

1037
00:36:03,760 --> 00:36:05,220
I understand that everybody wants to know what

1038
00:36:05,220 --> 00:36:07,160
happened but ultimately there are things that were

1039
00:36:07,160 --> 00:36:09,120
discussed as part of this meeting that are

1040
00:36:09,120 --> 00:36:11,840
potentials for breakthroughs that are potentials for progress.

1041
00:36:12,040 --> 00:36:13,920
We'll be discussing that more in depth tomorrow

1042
00:36:13,920 --> 00:36:16,520
with our European allies with the Ukrainians that

1043
00:36:16,520 --> 00:36:17,160
are coming over.

1044
00:36:17,480 --> 00:36:19,200
We'll be discussing all of these things because

1045
00:36:19,200 --> 00:36:21,120
ultimately we do need to find areas where

1046
00:36:21,120 --> 00:36:23,060
we're making progress and try to begin to

1047
00:36:23,060 --> 00:36:25,240
narrow the gap between the two sides.

1048
00:36:25,720 --> 00:36:26,820
But there's a reason why this war has

1049
00:36:26,820 --> 00:36:27,860
been going on for three and a half

1050
00:36:27,860 --> 00:36:29,440
years and that is when it comes to

1051
00:36:29,440 --> 00:36:31,560
the big issues here there are still some

1052
00:36:31,560 --> 00:36:33,140
big differences between both sides.

1053
00:36:33,540 --> 00:36:35,140
Let's see how much progress we can continue

1054
00:36:35,140 --> 00:36:35,560
to make.

1055
00:36:35,560 --> 00:36:38,240
It's not been easy but it's something the

1056
00:36:38,240 --> 00:36:39,300
president's made a priority.

1057
00:36:39,620 --> 00:36:39,940
Peace.

1058
00:36:40,260 --> 00:36:41,460
And he deserves a lot of credit for

1059
00:36:41,460 --> 00:36:41,700
that.

1060
00:36:42,060 --> 00:36:43,900
And I think another part of the problem

1061
00:36:43,900 --> 00:36:46,760
here is that because it's the Trump administration

1062
00:36:46,760 --> 00:36:49,600
the media is not read in on everything

1063
00:36:49,600 --> 00:36:53,900
continuously all the time from leakers and Joe

1064
00:36:53,900 --> 00:36:56,760
just handed a memo here's what was discussed,

1065
00:36:57,240 --> 00:36:59,760
here's your story, don't worry about doing any

1066
00:36:59,760 --> 00:37:00,060
work.

1067
00:37:00,300 --> 00:37:02,780
The only thing they got truly from the

1068
00:37:02,780 --> 00:37:03,780
president was this.

1069
00:37:03,780 --> 00:37:05,760
I believe we had a very productive meeting

1070
00:37:05,760 --> 00:37:08,660
there were many many points that we agreed

1071
00:37:08,660 --> 00:37:10,360
on, most of them I would say, a

1072
00:37:10,360 --> 00:37:13,640
couple of big ones that we haven't quite

1073
00:37:13,640 --> 00:37:15,720
gotten there but we've made some headway.

1074
00:37:16,940 --> 00:37:19,360
So there's no deal until there's a deal.

1075
00:37:19,680 --> 00:37:22,360
I will call up NATO in a little

1076
00:37:22,360 --> 00:37:22,680
while.

1077
00:37:22,840 --> 00:37:26,360
I will call up the various people that

1078
00:37:26,360 --> 00:37:28,060
I think are appropriate and I'll of course

1079
00:37:28,060 --> 00:37:30,320
call up President Zelensky and tell him about

1080
00:37:30,320 --> 00:37:31,060
today's meeting.

1081
00:37:31,240 --> 00:37:33,960
It's ultimately up to them they're going to

1082
00:37:33,960 --> 00:37:37,360
have to agree with what Marco and Steve

1083
00:37:37,360 --> 00:37:40,280
and some of the great people from the

1084
00:37:40,280 --> 00:37:42,140
Trump administration who have come here.

1085
00:37:42,280 --> 00:37:45,660
But we had an extremely productive meeting and

1086
00:37:45,660 --> 00:37:49,000
many points were agreed to and there are

1087
00:37:49,000 --> 00:37:52,060
just a very few that are left, some

1088
00:37:52,060 --> 00:37:55,100
are not that significant one is probably the

1089
00:37:55,100 --> 00:37:57,600
most significant but we have a very good

1090
00:37:57,600 --> 00:37:58,580
chance of getting there.

1091
00:37:58,580 --> 00:38:01,880
Okay, before we come back to Rubio, I

1092
00:38:01,880 --> 00:38:03,400
just want to go on a little side

1093
00:38:03,400 --> 00:38:09,380
trip here to our anti-constitutional douchebag Farid

1094
00:38:09,380 --> 00:38:12,320
Zakaria who of course whenever it's something of

1095
00:38:12,320 --> 00:38:15,180
international concern we need to bring Farid Zakaria

1096
00:38:15,180 --> 00:38:17,840
in because he's elite and he knows everything.

1097
00:38:18,940 --> 00:38:21,740
And he just took it one step further

1098
00:38:21,740 --> 00:38:22,520
with Tapper.

1099
00:38:22,880 --> 00:38:23,860
Farid, thanks for joining us.

1100
00:38:24,040 --> 00:38:26,660
So President Trump called the meeting extremely productive

1101
00:38:26,660 --> 00:38:29,140
he definitely tried to put a positive spin

1102
00:38:29,140 --> 00:38:31,480
on, let's be frank he was trying to

1103
00:38:31,480 --> 00:38:33,020
bring peace and end a war.

1104
00:38:33,260 --> 00:38:35,580
I mean there's nothing wrong about his goal.

1105
00:38:35,740 --> 00:38:37,420
Well, no but that's wrong!

1106
00:38:37,520 --> 00:38:38,520
We can't have peace!

1107
00:38:38,620 --> 00:38:41,320
But it does appear there really wasn't anything

1108
00:38:41,320 --> 00:38:46,880
concrete achieved no ceasefire no sanctions relief or

1109
00:38:46,880 --> 00:38:47,840
sanctions imposed.

1110
00:38:48,360 --> 00:38:50,340
We don't really know where we are other

1111
00:38:50,340 --> 00:38:52,740
than Putin got himself a summit in Alaska.

1112
00:38:53,080 --> 00:38:54,260
What do you make of what we just

1113
00:38:54,260 --> 00:38:54,480
saw?

1114
00:38:54,480 --> 00:38:56,660
Yeah, I think you have it right, Jake.

1115
00:38:56,980 --> 00:39:00,440
Look, the atmospherics of the entire summit were

1116
00:39:00,440 --> 00:39:01,660
somewhat cringeworthy.

1117
00:39:01,720 --> 00:39:04,680
The fact that Putin was being welcomed on

1118
00:39:04,680 --> 00:39:05,500
American soil.

1119
00:39:05,860 --> 00:39:07,900
The fact that Trump gave him literally a

1120
00:39:07,900 --> 00:39:10,440
red carpet treatment the kind he has rarely

1121
00:39:10,440 --> 00:39:13,240
given to any, you know, democratic ally of

1122
00:39:13,240 --> 00:39:13,920
the United States.

1123
00:39:14,040 --> 00:39:15,720
You can tell that Trump...

1124
00:39:15,720 --> 00:39:15,840
What?

1125
00:39:17,620 --> 00:39:20,780
It's unbelievable this guy who gladly walks the

1126
00:39:20,780 --> 00:39:23,300
red carpet of the White House correspondence dinner.

1127
00:39:25,320 --> 00:39:29,300
The atmospherics were cringeworthy, I tell you.

1128
00:39:29,360 --> 00:39:30,640
Somewhat cringeworthy.

1129
00:39:30,720 --> 00:39:33,680
The fact that Putin was being welcomed on

1130
00:39:33,680 --> 00:39:34,480
American soil.

1131
00:39:34,860 --> 00:39:36,900
The fact that Trump gave him literally a

1132
00:39:36,900 --> 00:39:39,440
red carpet treatment, the kind he has rarely

1133
00:39:39,440 --> 00:39:42,220
given to any, you know, democratic ally of

1134
00:39:42,220 --> 00:39:42,920
the United States.

1135
00:39:43,060 --> 00:39:44,060
You can tell...

1136
00:39:44,060 --> 00:39:46,960
Most democratic allies are welcomed by the president.

1137
00:39:46,960 --> 00:39:48,420
They all get the red carpet treatment.

1138
00:39:48,760 --> 00:39:50,360
Personally, at the front door of the White

1139
00:39:50,360 --> 00:39:53,700
House this was pretty remote compared to that.

1140
00:39:53,900 --> 00:39:55,520
Yeah, up in the middle of nowhere in

1141
00:39:55,520 --> 00:39:57,840
Alaska at an Air Force base.

1142
00:39:58,100 --> 00:40:00,560
With our jets and our bombers flying over.

1143
00:40:01,080 --> 00:40:02,880
So, it was just so red carpet.

1144
00:40:03,060 --> 00:40:06,040
I think Putin is you know, is an

1145
00:40:06,040 --> 00:40:08,180
equal, is this big shot on the world

1146
00:40:08,180 --> 00:40:11,080
stage and he's been treated by the rest

1147
00:40:11,080 --> 00:40:13,280
of the West as a kind of pariah.

1148
00:40:13,460 --> 00:40:14,500
I mean, he can't go to Europe because

1149
00:40:14,500 --> 00:40:15,140
he'd be arrested.

1150
00:40:16,080 --> 00:40:17,700
And so, there was a lot of the

1151
00:40:17,700 --> 00:40:19,980
atmospherics that were cringeworthy.

1152
00:40:20,260 --> 00:40:23,080
But, I will say, on the most important

1153
00:40:23,080 --> 00:40:26,440
thing, at least for me, it was positive

1154
00:40:26,440 --> 00:40:27,660
that there was no deal.

1155
00:40:27,940 --> 00:40:29,880
I think everyone was worried that there was

1156
00:40:29,880 --> 00:40:31,800
going to be a deal in which Trump

1157
00:40:31,800 --> 00:40:33,540
was going to make major concessions.

1158
00:40:34,060 --> 00:40:36,120
I don't think anyone thought Putin was going

1159
00:40:36,120 --> 00:40:37,200
to make any concessions.

1160
00:40:37,560 --> 00:40:39,880
The fear was that Donald Trump was going

1161
00:40:39,880 --> 00:40:42,120
to cave in various ways, sell out Ukraine,

1162
00:40:42,460 --> 00:40:44,280
sell out the Europeans, and he didn't do

1163
00:40:44,280 --> 00:40:44,480
that.

1164
00:40:44,560 --> 00:40:45,860
Oh, we dodged the bullet.

1165
00:40:46,020 --> 00:40:48,220
At least he didn't sell out the Europeans.

1166
00:40:48,860 --> 00:40:51,400
This Zakaria guy is unbelievable.

1167
00:40:52,020 --> 00:40:55,740
Now, in this next bit, in this next

1168
00:40:55,740 --> 00:40:56,440
bit...

1169
00:40:56,440 --> 00:40:57,260
I didn't get this.

1170
00:40:57,460 --> 00:40:59,080
I missed this one.

1171
00:40:59,520 --> 00:41:02,320
Guys, this literally popped up in the feed,

1172
00:41:02,440 --> 00:41:04,820
so I'm very grateful for the algo today.

1173
00:41:06,060 --> 00:41:07,940
Do you remember our prop bets?

1174
00:41:08,020 --> 00:41:10,260
Because Zakaria runs through a couple of these

1175
00:41:10,800 --> 00:41:13,620
and I don't really remember our prop bets.

1176
00:41:13,680 --> 00:41:15,260
Do you remember the ones that we had?

1177
00:41:16,780 --> 00:41:17,500
I'm sorry?

1178
00:41:17,720 --> 00:41:18,720
Our prop bets.

1179
00:41:19,600 --> 00:41:20,600
Oh, the prop bets?

1180
00:41:20,720 --> 00:41:20,940
Yeah.

1181
00:41:21,280 --> 00:41:24,600
Do you remember what we had on different

1182
00:41:24,600 --> 00:41:25,600
prop bets?

1183
00:41:26,420 --> 00:41:28,240
I think I have the list here.

1184
00:41:29,080 --> 00:41:29,960
Do you have the list?

1185
00:41:30,120 --> 00:41:32,060
Because Zakaria brings up a few of them,

1186
00:41:32,180 --> 00:41:34,120
and as I was listening to him, like...

1187
00:41:34,120 --> 00:41:36,240
I can kind of remember them if you

1188
00:41:36,240 --> 00:41:36,940
bring them up.

1189
00:41:37,000 --> 00:41:38,980
It's short, so we'll just run through it.

1190
00:41:39,080 --> 00:41:40,540
You know, I'm at least relieved.

1191
00:41:40,860 --> 00:41:42,880
Now, when you watch it, what you saw

1192
00:41:42,880 --> 00:41:46,660
was Putin had clearly decided his strategy was

1193
00:41:46,660 --> 00:41:49,240
he was going to make no substantive concessions

1194
00:41:49,240 --> 00:41:51,920
of any kind, but he was going to

1195
00:41:51,920 --> 00:41:54,280
really amp up the flattery of Trump.

1196
00:41:54,620 --> 00:41:56,740
He says if Trump had been president, there

1197
00:41:56,740 --> 00:41:58,200
would have been no war, which is easy

1198
00:41:58,200 --> 00:41:59,160
for him to say now.

1199
00:41:59,480 --> 00:42:01,000
Trump should get the Nobel Prize.

1200
00:42:01,220 --> 00:42:02,040
He's amazing.

1201
00:42:02,340 --> 00:42:03,740
He did not say that.

1202
00:42:04,240 --> 00:42:05,620
He didn't say that.

1203
00:42:06,360 --> 00:42:08,080
That was one of the prop bets.

1204
00:42:08,320 --> 00:42:09,780
That was a prop bet, but he didn't

1205
00:42:09,780 --> 00:42:10,320
say that.

1206
00:42:10,320 --> 00:42:11,420
Now, he did say...

1207
00:42:11,420 --> 00:42:11,840
No, he didn't.

1208
00:42:11,920 --> 00:42:13,560
I don't remember him saying that either.

1209
00:42:13,740 --> 00:42:15,420
I got the prop bet right here.

1210
00:42:15,540 --> 00:42:16,920
I watched the whole thing.

1211
00:42:17,420 --> 00:42:19,720
Putin to endorse Trump for Nobel Prize was

1212
00:42:19,720 --> 00:42:20,440
5-2.

1213
00:42:20,580 --> 00:42:22,400
Yeah, but it didn't happen, so we would

1214
00:42:22,400 --> 00:42:24,360
have lost our nuts on that.

1215
00:42:25,540 --> 00:42:27,660
But he did say, and this was the

1216
00:42:27,660 --> 00:42:29,860
very end of the, as you call it,

1217
00:42:29,920 --> 00:42:30,860
hour-long speech.

1218
00:42:30,920 --> 00:42:31,440
By the way, wait, wait.

1219
00:42:32,760 --> 00:42:35,320
Hillary Clinton said he should get the Nobel

1220
00:42:35,320 --> 00:42:36,140
Peace Prize.

1221
00:42:36,500 --> 00:42:36,880
Correct.

1222
00:42:37,160 --> 00:42:38,800
She said she would endorse him.

1223
00:42:39,140 --> 00:42:39,240
Yes.

1224
00:42:40,560 --> 00:42:42,580
And she looked haggard when she said it.

1225
00:42:42,660 --> 00:42:43,200
Whoo, boy!

1226
00:42:43,380 --> 00:42:50,980
Ever since her girl married the Soros kid,

1227
00:42:52,400 --> 00:42:54,540
Hillary's appearance has gone downhill.

1228
00:42:55,060 --> 00:42:58,180
Well, it's because of lack of attention.

1229
00:42:58,440 --> 00:43:00,280
Or adrenochrome, one or the other.

1230
00:43:00,440 --> 00:43:00,700
All right.

1231
00:43:00,840 --> 00:43:02,840
So he says if Trump had been president,

1232
00:43:02,980 --> 00:43:04,320
there would have been no war, which is

1233
00:43:04,320 --> 00:43:05,460
easy for him to say now.

1234
00:43:05,460 --> 00:43:07,320
Trump should get the Nobel Prize.

1235
00:43:07,440 --> 00:43:08,380
He's amazing.

1236
00:43:09,020 --> 00:43:10,600
He didn't say he was amazing.

1237
00:43:11,920 --> 00:43:13,820
I specifically listened to the whole thing.

1238
00:43:14,020 --> 00:43:15,320
Did not say he was amazing.

1239
00:43:15,780 --> 00:43:19,300
All that, you know, is cheap and easy

1240
00:43:19,300 --> 00:43:21,640
rhetoric for Putin, but he laid that on

1241
00:43:21,640 --> 00:43:21,920
thick.

1242
00:43:22,200 --> 00:43:24,060
But at the end of the day, he

1243
00:43:24,060 --> 00:43:25,140
made no concessions.

1244
00:43:25,540 --> 00:43:29,220
So Trump comes back empty-handed, but, you

1245
00:43:29,220 --> 00:43:30,880
know, in a way, better to come back

1246
00:43:30,880 --> 00:43:34,140
empty-handed than to have given away a

1247
00:43:34,140 --> 00:43:35,640
quarter of Ukraine.

1248
00:43:37,120 --> 00:43:39,120
I mean, where does he come up with

1249
00:43:39,120 --> 00:43:39,320
this?

1250
00:43:39,620 --> 00:43:41,460
We can't give away Ukraine.

1251
00:43:41,620 --> 00:43:42,300
We can't give...

1252
00:43:42,300 --> 00:43:44,100
We don't have these powers.

1253
00:43:44,420 --> 00:43:46,200
Brennan also did the same thing.

1254
00:43:46,720 --> 00:43:48,640
Why didn't Trump demand?

1255
00:43:49,560 --> 00:43:51,720
Why didn't Trump demand?

1256
00:43:52,580 --> 00:43:53,540
Yeah, because that's...

1257
00:43:53,540 --> 00:43:54,200
We can't make demands.

1258
00:43:55,720 --> 00:43:58,040
We're not in this war, except for the

1259
00:43:58,040 --> 00:43:59,220
fact that we sell machinery.

1260
00:43:59,600 --> 00:44:00,300
We started it.

1261
00:44:00,300 --> 00:44:02,000
Except for the fact that we started it.

1262
00:44:02,120 --> 00:44:03,400
The fact that we started it, but that's

1263
00:44:03,400 --> 00:44:04,220
beside the point.

1264
00:44:04,400 --> 00:44:04,980
It didn't...

1265
00:44:04,980 --> 00:44:08,600
But this is the thinking of the globalists.

1266
00:44:08,700 --> 00:44:11,400
The globalists thinks when they're in charge, they

1267
00:44:11,400 --> 00:44:12,640
do control everything.

1268
00:44:12,900 --> 00:44:13,680
That's their thinking.

1269
00:44:13,820 --> 00:44:16,100
That's why they're always saying, Trump is a

1270
00:44:16,100 --> 00:44:16,660
dictator.

1271
00:44:17,300 --> 00:44:18,480
What you say, be yourself.

1272
00:44:19,000 --> 00:44:20,820
Like, we want to be the dictator, not

1273
00:44:20,820 --> 00:44:23,820
Trump, because that guy, he just tries to

1274
00:44:23,820 --> 00:44:25,060
make peace bad.

1275
00:44:25,920 --> 00:44:26,020
No.

1276
00:44:26,460 --> 00:44:29,100
Zakaria is exactly in the same circles of

1277
00:44:29,100 --> 00:44:31,840
people who would think they are in charge

1278
00:44:31,840 --> 00:44:33,280
of the world like that.

1279
00:44:34,420 --> 00:44:38,300
So now we go back to Margaret Brennan

1280
00:44:38,300 --> 00:44:44,420
with Rubio, because we now know that Vladimir,

1281
00:44:45,340 --> 00:44:47,420
or as Tina called him this morning, Voldemort.

1282
00:44:47,760 --> 00:44:49,840
She didn't do it purposely, but I kind

1283
00:44:49,840 --> 00:44:50,400
of liked it.

1284
00:44:51,080 --> 00:44:53,600
So Voldemort is coming tomorrow, and all of

1285
00:44:53,600 --> 00:44:56,180
a sudden, all of the EU leaders are

1286
00:44:56,180 --> 00:44:56,480
coming.

1287
00:44:56,480 --> 00:44:58,580
Queen, Ursula, Keir Starmer.

1288
00:44:59,080 --> 00:45:01,780
Of course, we're going to have Mark Rutte

1289
00:45:01,780 --> 00:45:03,280
will be there to make sure that we

1290
00:45:03,280 --> 00:45:04,200
still are buying weapons.

1291
00:45:04,360 --> 00:45:05,980
We have to be afraid of Russia, because

1292
00:45:05,980 --> 00:45:07,040
they will be the threat.

1293
00:45:07,360 --> 00:45:09,080
The threat for at least the next 10

1294
00:45:09,080 --> 00:45:09,420
years.

1295
00:45:09,920 --> 00:45:11,240
So we have to keep them in the

1296
00:45:11,240 --> 00:45:15,180
threat, because I'm a sales guy, and Margaret

1297
00:45:15,180 --> 00:45:18,980
Brennan thinks that this is for the following

1298
00:45:18,980 --> 00:45:19,440
reason.

1299
00:45:19,620 --> 00:45:20,780
This is the best one.

1300
00:45:21,080 --> 00:45:21,480
This is good.

1301
00:45:21,660 --> 00:45:24,640
President Trump told Fox News, his advice to

1302
00:45:24,640 --> 00:45:26,500
President Zelensky is make a deal.

1303
00:45:26,860 --> 00:45:29,720
Russia's a very big power, and they're not.

1304
00:45:30,220 --> 00:45:32,260
You know there is concern from the Europeans

1305
00:45:32,260 --> 00:45:35,540
that President Zelensky is going to be bullied

1306
00:45:36,340 --> 00:45:37,680
into signing something away.

1307
00:45:37,820 --> 00:45:39,480
That's why you have these European leaders coming

1308
00:45:39,480 --> 00:45:40,540
as backup tomorrow.

1309
00:45:41,480 --> 00:45:42,000
Can you reassure them?

1310
00:45:42,000 --> 00:45:42,500
No, it isn't.

1311
00:45:42,520 --> 00:45:43,660
That's not true.

1312
00:45:44,580 --> 00:45:45,800
This is so good.

1313
00:45:46,320 --> 00:45:48,180
This is like the fact that she just

1314
00:45:48,180 --> 00:45:51,040
you know, you know that all the European

1315
00:45:51,040 --> 00:45:54,080
leaders, Queen and Ursula, they have to come

1316
00:45:54,080 --> 00:45:55,640
with him because they're afraid that he'll be

1317
00:45:55,640 --> 00:45:57,840
bullied like the last time he was bullied

1318
00:45:57,840 --> 00:45:59,520
in the White House, in the Oval Office.

1319
00:46:00,080 --> 00:46:01,320
I should mention this.

1320
00:46:01,380 --> 00:46:02,220
This is great.

1321
00:46:03,120 --> 00:46:07,320
Which is that they have been replaying the

1322
00:46:07,320 --> 00:46:09,900
media has been, all the media has been

1323
00:46:09,900 --> 00:46:15,780
replaying that old clip where Trump bullied he

1324
00:46:15,780 --> 00:46:17,640
didn't really bully him, but he gave him

1325
00:46:17,640 --> 00:46:19,520
grief in the White House.

1326
00:46:19,680 --> 00:46:21,420
It's old, and then they had a lot

1327
00:46:21,420 --> 00:46:23,540
of meetings ever since this was the original

1328
00:46:23,540 --> 00:46:27,000
meeting when Trump was irked because Zelensky wouldn't

1329
00:46:27,000 --> 00:46:30,860
even wear a suit comes in there and

1330
00:46:30,860 --> 00:46:33,500
he starts acting like an idiot.

1331
00:46:33,780 --> 00:46:36,380
They were supposed to sign the deal the

1332
00:46:36,380 --> 00:46:38,340
mineral deal, and he didn't sign it.

1333
00:46:38,580 --> 00:46:40,000
Right, he didn't sign the deal.

1334
00:46:40,240 --> 00:46:40,340
Yeah.

1335
00:46:42,260 --> 00:46:44,400
They keep playing this old they've been playing

1336
00:46:44,400 --> 00:46:45,800
this old clip all last week.

1337
00:46:46,020 --> 00:46:46,800
It's entertainment.

1338
00:46:46,800 --> 00:46:48,300
For what Brian just said.

1339
00:46:48,460 --> 00:46:50,180
It's entertainment, of course.

1340
00:46:50,600 --> 00:46:51,380
That was the teaser.

1341
00:46:51,560 --> 00:46:53,880
Now we all know because we've played the

1342
00:46:53,880 --> 00:46:55,140
clips of the bullying it's going to happen

1343
00:46:55,140 --> 00:46:55,520
again.

1344
00:46:55,980 --> 00:46:57,680
Can you reassure them?

1345
00:46:58,260 --> 00:46:58,900
That's not true.

1346
00:46:59,720 --> 00:47:01,440
That's not true.

1347
00:47:01,560 --> 00:47:03,300
They're not coming here tomorrow to keep Zelensky

1348
00:47:03,300 --> 00:47:04,080
from being bullied.

1349
00:47:04,820 --> 00:47:07,220
That February Oval Office meeting in front of

1350
00:47:07,220 --> 00:47:11,640
television cameras where President Zelensky was dressed down.

1351
00:47:11,940 --> 00:47:13,860
I know, and I was just up in

1352
00:47:13,860 --> 00:47:16,040
Alaska watching the one with Vladimir Putin where

1353
00:47:16,040 --> 00:47:17,560
red carpet rolls up.

1354
00:47:17,760 --> 00:47:18,380
No, it was Zelensky.

1355
00:47:18,500 --> 00:47:19,420
We've had more meetings.

1356
00:47:19,600 --> 00:47:22,100
We've had one meeting with Putin and like

1357
00:47:22,100 --> 00:47:23,700
a dozen meetings with Zelensky.

1358
00:47:24,180 --> 00:47:25,600
But that's not true.

1359
00:47:25,820 --> 00:47:27,420
They're not coming here tomorrow to keep Zelensky

1360
00:47:27,420 --> 00:47:28,160
from being bullied.

1361
00:47:28,380 --> 00:47:29,860
They're coming here tomorrow because we've been working

1362
00:47:29,860 --> 00:47:30,400
with the Europeans.

1363
00:47:30,560 --> 00:47:31,420
We talked to them last week.

1364
00:47:31,480 --> 00:47:33,720
There were meetings in the UK the previous

1365
00:47:33,720 --> 00:47:34,160
weekend.

1366
00:47:34,180 --> 00:47:35,620
And they said President Trump was going to

1367
00:47:35,620 --> 00:47:36,460
demand a ceasefire.

1368
00:47:36,640 --> 00:47:37,420
As early as Thursday.

1369
00:47:39,220 --> 00:47:41,000
But you said that they're coming here tomorrow

1370
00:47:41,000 --> 00:47:42,300
to keep Zelensky from being bullied.

1371
00:47:42,300 --> 00:47:43,280
They're not coming here tomorrow.

1372
00:47:43,760 --> 00:47:45,780
This is such a stupid media narrative.

1373
00:47:45,920 --> 00:47:48,800
That they're coming here tomorrow because Trump is

1374
00:47:48,800 --> 00:47:50,520
going to bully Zelensky into a bad deal.

1375
00:47:50,800 --> 00:47:52,700
We've been working with these people for weeks.

1376
00:47:52,960 --> 00:47:54,020
For weeks on this stuff.

1377
00:47:54,300 --> 00:47:55,860
They're coming here tomorrow because they chose to

1378
00:47:55,860 --> 00:47:56,320
come here tomorrow.

1379
00:47:56,420 --> 00:47:57,440
We invited them to come.

1380
00:47:57,760 --> 00:47:58,860
We invited them to come.

1381
00:47:58,940 --> 00:48:00,420
The President invited them to come.

1382
00:48:00,800 --> 00:48:03,020
And we'll go to Queen Ursula in a

1383
00:48:03,020 --> 00:48:04,420
moment who spoke this morning.

1384
00:48:04,600 --> 00:48:06,960
But one last clip here from Marco.

1385
00:48:07,080 --> 00:48:09,460
Marco, finally the gigawatt kicked in.

1386
00:48:09,460 --> 00:48:11,760
But the President told those European leaders last

1387
00:48:11,760 --> 00:48:13,240
week that he wanted a ceasefire.

1388
00:48:13,340 --> 00:48:14,860
The President went on television and said he

1389
00:48:14,860 --> 00:48:16,420
would walk out of the meeting if Vladimir

1390
00:48:16,420 --> 00:48:17,140
Putin didn't agree.

1391
00:48:17,140 --> 00:48:18,780
He didn't walk out of the meeting!

1392
00:48:19,420 --> 00:48:21,880
He said there would be severe consequences if

1393
00:48:21,880 --> 00:48:22,820
he didn't agree to one.

1394
00:48:23,020 --> 00:48:24,260
He said he'd walk out in two minutes.

1395
00:48:24,400 --> 00:48:26,140
He spent three hours talking to Vladimir Putin

1396
00:48:26,140 --> 00:48:27,320
and he did not get one.

1397
00:48:27,720 --> 00:48:29,940
He was getting his instructions from Vladimir Putin,

1398
00:48:30,040 --> 00:48:30,360
of course.

1399
00:48:31,340 --> 00:48:32,220
So there's some mixed messages.

1400
00:48:32,580 --> 00:48:34,140
Things happened during that meeting.

1401
00:48:34,380 --> 00:48:37,820
Our goal here is not to stage some

1402
00:48:37,820 --> 00:48:39,340
production for the world to say, oh, how

1403
00:48:39,340 --> 00:48:39,720
dramatic.

1404
00:48:39,840 --> 00:48:40,340
He walked out.

1405
00:48:40,600 --> 00:48:42,460
Our goal here is to have a peace

1406
00:48:42,460 --> 00:48:42,820
agreement.

1407
00:48:43,020 --> 00:48:43,820
To end this war.

1408
00:48:43,980 --> 00:48:46,760
And obviously we felt, and I agreed, that

1409
00:48:46,760 --> 00:48:47,740
there was enough progress.

1410
00:48:47,840 --> 00:48:49,680
Not a lot of progress, but enough progress

1411
00:48:49,680 --> 00:48:51,860
made in those talks to allow us to

1412
00:48:51,860 --> 00:48:52,760
move to the next phase.

1413
00:48:52,940 --> 00:48:54,700
If not, we wouldn't be having Zelensky flying

1414
00:48:54,700 --> 00:48:55,400
all the way over here.

1415
00:48:55,440 --> 00:48:57,000
We wouldn't be having all the Europeans coming

1416
00:48:57,000 --> 00:48:57,660
all the way over here.

1417
00:48:57,920 --> 00:48:59,520
Now understand, and take with a grain of

1418
00:48:59,520 --> 00:49:01,180
salt, I'm not saying we're on the verge

1419
00:49:01,180 --> 00:49:02,900
of a peace deal, but I am saying

1420
00:49:02,900 --> 00:49:03,800
that we saw movement.

1421
00:49:03,900 --> 00:49:06,420
Enough movement to justify a follow-up meeting

1422
00:49:06,420 --> 00:49:08,000
with Zelensky and the Europeans.

1423
00:49:08,380 --> 00:49:10,260
Enough movement for us to dedicate even more

1424
00:49:10,260 --> 00:49:10,920
time to this.

1425
00:49:11,160 --> 00:49:12,160
You talk about the sanctions.

1426
00:49:12,440 --> 00:49:13,880
Look, at the end of the day, if

1427
00:49:13,880 --> 00:49:15,440
peace is not going to be possible here,

1428
00:49:15,640 --> 00:49:17,040
and this is just going to continue on

1429
00:49:17,040 --> 00:49:19,220
as a war, people will continue to die

1430
00:49:19,220 --> 00:49:20,020
by the thousands.

1431
00:49:20,420 --> 00:49:21,960
The President has that option to then come

1432
00:49:21,960 --> 00:49:23,260
in and impose new sanctions.

1433
00:49:23,520 --> 00:49:24,860
But if he did this now, the moment

1434
00:49:24,860 --> 00:49:27,320
the President puts those additional sanctions, that's the

1435
00:49:27,320 --> 00:49:27,960
end of the talks.

1436
00:49:28,120 --> 00:49:30,320
You've basically locked in at least another year

1437
00:49:30,320 --> 00:49:31,740
to year and a half of war and

1438
00:49:31,740 --> 00:49:32,880
death and destruction.

1439
00:49:32,880 --> 00:49:35,540
We may unfortunately wind up there, but we

1440
00:49:35,540 --> 00:49:36,620
don't want to wind up there.

1441
00:49:36,820 --> 00:49:38,040
We want to wind up with a peace

1442
00:49:38,040 --> 00:49:40,120
deal that ends this war so Ukraine can

1443
00:49:40,120 --> 00:49:41,360
go on with the rest of their lives

1444
00:49:41,360 --> 00:49:43,440
and rebuild their country and be assured that

1445
00:49:43,440 --> 00:49:44,560
this is never going to happen again.

1446
00:49:44,760 --> 00:49:45,600
That's the goal here.

1447
00:49:45,800 --> 00:49:47,420
We're going to do everything possible to make

1448
00:49:47,420 --> 00:49:48,840
that happen if it's doable.

1449
00:49:49,060 --> 00:49:51,220
It will require both sides to make concessions.

1450
00:49:51,420 --> 00:49:53,080
It will require both sides to get things

1451
00:49:53,080 --> 00:49:53,880
they're asking for.

1452
00:49:54,040 --> 00:49:55,660
That's how these deals are made, whether we

1453
00:49:55,660 --> 00:49:56,320
like it or not.

1454
00:49:58,060 --> 00:50:00,920
I got two more from Witkoff, because Witkoff

1455
00:50:00,920 --> 00:50:02,460
has been the main negotiator.

1456
00:50:02,700 --> 00:50:04,640
He's met with Putin several times.

1457
00:50:06,440 --> 00:50:09,540
All these people, like Rubio and Witkoff, they

1458
00:50:09,540 --> 00:50:12,080
do these interviews like they have a gun

1459
00:50:12,080 --> 00:50:12,780
to their head.

1460
00:50:13,300 --> 00:50:17,640
They're like, OK, well listen, I'll do Brennan,

1461
00:50:18,740 --> 00:50:20,180
and you've got to do Tapper.

1462
00:50:20,320 --> 00:50:22,120
Oh man, why do I have to do

1463
00:50:22,120 --> 00:50:22,440
Tapper?

1464
00:50:22,980 --> 00:50:24,660
He's such a douchebag.

1465
00:50:25,020 --> 00:50:27,000
Who was in the room for the Trump

1466
00:50:27,000 --> 00:50:28,500
-Putin summit, and it was a three-on

1467
00:50:28,500 --> 00:50:29,560
-three, and he was one of the three.

1468
00:50:29,880 --> 00:50:31,320
He has also met face-to-face with

1469
00:50:31,320 --> 00:50:33,980
Vladimir Putin many times, including earlier this month

1470
00:50:33,980 --> 00:50:34,420
in Moscow.

1471
00:50:34,860 --> 00:50:36,680
Ambassador Witkoff, always good to have you on.

1472
00:50:36,760 --> 00:50:37,520
Thank you so much.

1473
00:50:38,260 --> 00:50:40,800
President Trump called this an extremely productive meeting

1474
00:50:40,800 --> 00:50:43,200
and said many points were agreed to.

1475
00:50:43,400 --> 00:50:44,000
You were in the room.

1476
00:50:44,060 --> 00:50:46,400
Can you give us two specific points that

1477
00:50:46,400 --> 00:50:47,080
were agreed to?

1478
00:50:47,300 --> 00:50:48,560
Why does he only ask for two?

1479
00:50:49,340 --> 00:50:50,180
But what is this?

1480
00:50:50,940 --> 00:50:52,340
Did they pre-agree?

1481
00:50:52,500 --> 00:50:56,060
Listen, producer, I'm going to give Tapper two,

1482
00:50:56,160 --> 00:50:56,420
OK?

1483
00:50:56,420 --> 00:50:57,880
That's all I'm giving him.

1484
00:50:58,700 --> 00:51:00,600
I mean, that's a very odd way to

1485
00:51:00,600 --> 00:51:01,180
stage the question.

1486
00:51:01,180 --> 00:51:02,020
That is very strange.

1487
00:51:02,320 --> 00:51:05,060
He could have said, can you tell us

1488
00:51:05,060 --> 00:51:06,240
some or any?

1489
00:51:06,860 --> 00:51:06,960
A couple?

1490
00:51:07,500 --> 00:51:08,880
A couple would have been better.

1491
00:51:08,940 --> 00:51:12,040
Anything, but specifically two were agreed to.

1492
00:51:12,240 --> 00:51:12,820
You were in the room.

1493
00:51:12,920 --> 00:51:15,240
Can you give us two specific points that

1494
00:51:15,240 --> 00:51:15,900
were agreed to?

1495
00:51:16,280 --> 00:51:18,320
We agreed, Jake.

1496
00:51:18,600 --> 00:51:19,840
First of all, thank you for having me,

1497
00:51:19,880 --> 00:51:20,440
and good morning.

1498
00:51:21,100 --> 00:51:26,600
We agreed to robust security guarantees that I

1499
00:51:26,600 --> 00:51:28,100
would describe as game-changing.

1500
00:51:28,300 --> 00:51:30,440
We didn't think that we were anywhere close

1501
00:51:30,440 --> 00:51:34,720
to agreeing to Article 5 protection from the

1502
00:51:34,720 --> 00:51:40,660
United States, legislative enshrinement within the Russian Federation,

1503
00:51:41,300 --> 00:51:44,300
not to go after any other territory when

1504
00:51:44,300 --> 00:51:50,180
the peace deal is codified, legislative enshrinement in

1505
00:51:50,180 --> 00:51:53,160
the Russian Federation, not to go after any

1506
00:51:53,160 --> 00:51:56,680
other European countries and violate their sovereignty.

1507
00:51:57,540 --> 00:52:00,400
We agreed, and there was plenty more.

1508
00:52:02,020 --> 00:52:06,640
So Tapper goes, no, that was...

1509
00:52:06,640 --> 00:52:07,840
So it's like a shocker.

1510
00:52:08,020 --> 00:52:13,360
That was the most informative one minute of

1511
00:52:13,360 --> 00:52:14,680
audio tape I got.

1512
00:52:15,140 --> 00:52:18,600
He said, there will be Article 5-like

1513
00:52:18,600 --> 00:52:19,440
protections.

1514
00:52:19,440 --> 00:52:23,860
Just to remind everybody, NATO Article 5, if

1515
00:52:23,860 --> 00:52:25,600
you strike one...

1516
00:52:26,440 --> 00:52:28,500
If you strike one of us, you strike

1517
00:52:28,500 --> 00:52:30,620
all of us, we all band together as

1518
00:52:30,620 --> 00:52:31,500
NATO, and we come and...

1519
00:52:31,500 --> 00:52:32,100
You get bombed.

1520
00:52:32,220 --> 00:52:33,380
You get bombed, exactly.

1521
00:52:33,900 --> 00:52:40,600
So, Article 5-like protection is a huge

1522
00:52:40,600 --> 00:52:41,260
concession.

1523
00:52:41,620 --> 00:52:42,960
I'm not sure what it means yet.

1524
00:52:43,220 --> 00:52:44,800
And we're not even sure...

1525
00:52:45,220 --> 00:52:46,040
Well, but...

1526
00:52:46,040 --> 00:52:47,480
Whitcoff knows what it means.

1527
00:52:47,480 --> 00:52:48,780
Well, bear with me.

1528
00:52:49,400 --> 00:52:51,440
Because I think we can find out what

1529
00:52:51,440 --> 00:52:51,780
that is.

1530
00:52:51,900 --> 00:52:52,940
Article 5-like.

1531
00:52:53,360 --> 00:52:55,840
That doesn't necessarily mean NATO, but Article 5

1532
00:52:55,840 --> 00:52:56,020
-like.

1533
00:52:56,140 --> 00:52:58,060
And the second thing he says is it

1534
00:52:58,060 --> 00:53:01,300
will be enshrined into their legislation, which I

1535
00:53:01,300 --> 00:53:05,060
guess means, legally, they'll agree to it that

1536
00:53:05,060 --> 00:53:08,000
Ukraine won't take any territory after this deal

1537
00:53:08,000 --> 00:53:09,880
is done, and Russia won't take any territory.

1538
00:53:10,380 --> 00:53:12,700
That, to me, sounds like there's a real

1539
00:53:12,700 --> 00:53:13,760
deal in the making.

1540
00:53:14,200 --> 00:53:16,660
And all Tapper does is, huh.

1541
00:53:17,720 --> 00:53:18,760
I know.

1542
00:53:19,640 --> 00:53:21,380
Can you elaborate more?

1543
00:53:21,540 --> 00:53:22,300
He could have said...

1544
00:53:23,340 --> 00:53:24,380
That's fascinating.

1545
00:53:25,240 --> 00:53:26,380
What do you think he said?

1546
00:53:26,480 --> 00:53:28,740
Because I have the exact follow-up.

1547
00:53:28,900 --> 00:53:31,740
What did he say after that statement, which

1548
00:53:31,740 --> 00:53:35,180
was the most informative of all of the

1549
00:53:35,180 --> 00:53:37,320
talks coming straight from the guy who was

1550
00:53:37,320 --> 00:53:39,960
there, who speaks English without the weave.

1551
00:53:41,160 --> 00:53:42,740
I'm like, oh, that is...

1552
00:53:42,740 --> 00:53:44,500
I can guess exactly what he said.

1553
00:53:45,720 --> 00:53:49,220
He said, huh, which is the opening.

1554
00:53:49,740 --> 00:53:49,880
Huh.

1555
00:53:50,500 --> 00:53:51,500
Can you...

1556
00:53:52,320 --> 00:53:53,240
Is there...

1557
00:53:53,240 --> 00:53:54,340
Was that assured?

1558
00:53:54,660 --> 00:53:56,220
Does that look like that's the kind of

1559
00:53:56,220 --> 00:53:57,440
the deal that's going to go through?

1560
00:53:57,560 --> 00:53:58,800
Do you think that'll be part of the

1561
00:53:58,800 --> 00:54:02,300
final determination?

1562
00:54:02,800 --> 00:54:04,360
Something along those lines?

1563
00:54:04,520 --> 00:54:07,360
That sounds like a very positive thing.

1564
00:54:07,820 --> 00:54:08,920
Do you think that's going to happen?

1565
00:54:10,660 --> 00:54:11,540
That's what he said.

1566
00:54:11,540 --> 00:54:16,440
Obviously, my partner is being very facetious here

1567
00:54:16,440 --> 00:54:16,940
on the show.

1568
00:54:17,760 --> 00:54:19,060
That's what I would do.

1569
00:54:19,440 --> 00:54:22,660
He knows that it's a little show.

1570
00:54:22,860 --> 00:54:23,420
It's CNN.

1571
00:54:23,780 --> 00:54:24,620
It's Jake Tapper.

1572
00:54:24,800 --> 00:54:26,140
No, that's not what he did.

1573
00:54:26,420 --> 00:54:29,360
We go from the disdain, huh, into his

1574
00:54:29,360 --> 00:54:30,140
next bit.

1575
00:54:31,800 --> 00:54:33,900
Here's what President Trump said going into the

1576
00:54:33,900 --> 00:54:35,500
meeting about the need for a ceasefire.

1577
00:54:35,780 --> 00:54:36,580
Let's roll that tape.

1578
00:54:36,800 --> 00:54:38,700
I want to see a ceasefire rapidly.

1579
00:54:38,860 --> 00:54:39,680
I don't know if it's going to be

1580
00:54:39,680 --> 00:54:41,080
today, but I'm not going to be happy

1581
00:54:41,080 --> 00:54:41,920
if it's not today.

1582
00:54:42,540 --> 00:54:44,520
Everyone said it can't be today, but I'm

1583
00:54:44,520 --> 00:54:46,700
just saying I want the killing to stop.

1584
00:54:46,780 --> 00:54:48,120
I'm in this to stop the killing.

1585
00:54:48,720 --> 00:54:50,260
Obviously, the ceasefire didn't happen.

1586
00:54:50,680 --> 00:54:53,200
Last night, Russia launched more than 60 aerial

1587
00:54:53,200 --> 00:54:55,560
attacks across Ukraine, killing at least five people,

1588
00:54:55,700 --> 00:54:57,040
injuring 11.

1589
00:54:57,240 --> 00:54:58,920
President Trump had said if he didn't like

1590
00:54:58,920 --> 00:55:00,060
what he was hearing in the meeting, he

1591
00:55:00,060 --> 00:55:00,760
would walk out.

1592
00:55:01,440 --> 00:55:03,500
Why didn't he, once it became clear Putin

1593
00:55:03,500 --> 00:55:05,700
was not going to agree to a ceasefire,

1594
00:55:05,720 --> 00:55:07,580
which would end the bloodshed now.

1595
00:55:07,940 --> 00:55:09,140
This is the meeting they had.

1596
00:55:09,260 --> 00:55:11,280
All right, everybody, we're going to go after

1597
00:55:11,280 --> 00:55:13,800
the fact that Trump, Trump, the orange man,

1598
00:55:13,940 --> 00:55:15,820
that he said he would walk out.

1599
00:55:16,280 --> 00:55:17,220
Margaret, you got that?

1600
00:55:17,300 --> 00:55:18,100
Yeah, I got that.

1601
00:55:19,160 --> 00:55:20,000
Martha, you got it?

1602
00:55:20,080 --> 00:55:20,840
Yeah, I got that.

1603
00:55:21,280 --> 00:55:22,240
They all did it.

1604
00:55:22,420 --> 00:55:24,100
You said he would walk out in two

1605
00:55:24,100 --> 00:55:24,400
minutes.

1606
00:55:24,600 --> 00:55:25,840
He didn't walk out.

1607
00:55:26,140 --> 00:55:27,100
What's wrong with him?

1608
00:55:27,380 --> 00:55:29,000
What does Vladimir have on him?

1609
00:55:29,300 --> 00:55:30,300
Do they have kompromat?

1610
00:55:31,960 --> 00:55:33,440
That's the meeting they had.

1611
00:55:33,440 --> 00:55:36,180
Yes, you're exactly right.

1612
00:55:36,400 --> 00:55:37,740
They all asked the same question.

1613
00:55:37,900 --> 00:55:40,640
They all did the exact same thing in

1614
00:55:40,640 --> 00:55:41,240
this regard.

1615
00:55:41,800 --> 00:55:44,080
Jake, the one thing, we were there as

1616
00:55:44,080 --> 00:55:47,720
a mediator, so we were obviously advancing the

1617
00:55:47,720 --> 00:55:48,560
Ukrainian view.

1618
00:55:49,060 --> 00:55:51,400
The one thing that the president cannot agree

1619
00:55:51,400 --> 00:55:54,240
to on behalf of the Ukrainians is any

1620
00:55:54,240 --> 00:55:55,080
sort of land swap.

1621
00:55:55,260 --> 00:55:56,780
That is for the Ukrainians.

1622
00:55:57,600 --> 00:56:01,760
They've asked us, or stated that to us,

1623
00:56:02,180 --> 00:56:04,740
and the president is respectful of it, but

1624
00:56:04,740 --> 00:56:06,560
that's why we're moving so quickly to a

1625
00:56:06,560 --> 00:56:09,220
meeting on Monday at the Oval Office with

1626
00:56:09,220 --> 00:56:10,620
President Zelensky.

1627
00:56:10,920 --> 00:56:13,960
That being said, we covered almost all the

1628
00:56:13,960 --> 00:56:16,360
other issues necessary for a peace deal.

1629
00:56:16,860 --> 00:56:20,420
I described the ceasefire as the interim move

1630
00:56:20,420 --> 00:56:23,020
where you would then negotiate towards a peace

1631
00:56:23,020 --> 00:56:23,300
deal.

1632
00:56:23,780 --> 00:56:26,280
We made so much progress at this meeting

1633
00:56:26,280 --> 00:56:29,560
with regard to all the other ingredients necessary

1634
00:56:29,560 --> 00:56:34,240
for a peace deal that President Trump pivoted

1635
00:56:34,240 --> 00:56:35,020
to that place.

1636
00:56:35,620 --> 00:56:37,720
We're not waiting a week for a meeting

1637
00:56:37,720 --> 00:56:41,520
with President Zelensky and the European leaders, or

1638
00:56:41,520 --> 00:56:43,420
two weeks, or three weeks.

1639
00:56:43,800 --> 00:56:46,780
We're going into a meeting with them within

1640
00:56:46,780 --> 00:56:49,900
48 hours of ending this meeting in Alaska.

1641
00:56:50,440 --> 00:56:53,340
We are intent on trying to hammer out

1642
00:56:53,340 --> 00:56:56,060
a peace deal that ends the fighting permanently

1643
00:56:56,060 --> 00:56:57,640
very, very quickly.

1644
00:56:57,640 --> 00:56:59,180
Quicker than a ceasefire.

1645
00:56:59,460 --> 00:57:02,620
Okay, so now we go to Europe.

1646
00:57:02,740 --> 00:57:06,560
This morning Queen Ursula and Prince Zelensky had

1647
00:57:06,560 --> 00:57:11,300
their little talk in Brussels in the EU

1648
00:57:11,300 --> 00:57:13,060
Commission press room.

1649
00:57:14,540 --> 00:57:18,380
Zelensky, he had puppy dog eyes the whole

1650
00:57:18,380 --> 00:57:20,760
time towards Queen Ursula while she's talking.

1651
00:57:20,880 --> 00:57:21,660
Puppy dog eyes.

1652
00:57:22,200 --> 00:57:24,620
She's clearly on a riser.

1653
00:57:24,840 --> 00:57:27,520
She's got a standing on an apple crate.

1654
00:57:28,380 --> 00:57:30,380
She's just like this is my moment.

1655
00:57:30,600 --> 00:57:31,880
This is my moment.

1656
00:57:32,060 --> 00:57:32,920
I am the queen.

1657
00:57:33,080 --> 00:57:33,960
I'm Queen Ursula.

1658
00:57:34,580 --> 00:57:36,080
And she's going to lay it out, and

1659
00:57:36,080 --> 00:57:37,980
I think we find out what the Article

1660
00:57:37,980 --> 00:57:41,120
5-like security is going to be.

1661
00:57:41,500 --> 00:57:43,840
I'm very glad that I'm able to accompany

1662
00:57:43,840 --> 00:57:46,200
you and other European leaders for the meeting

1663
00:57:46,200 --> 00:57:46,740
tomorrow.

1664
00:57:46,940 --> 00:57:48,100
So you don't get bullied.

1665
00:57:48,740 --> 00:57:50,120
That we do have with the U.S.

1666
00:57:50,320 --> 00:57:52,340
President in the White House since the beginning

1667
00:57:52,340 --> 00:57:54,160
of Russia's brutal invasion.

1668
00:57:54,480 --> 00:57:55,540
Brutal invasion.

1669
00:57:55,900 --> 00:57:58,320
What happened to full scale, lady?

1670
00:57:58,820 --> 00:57:59,660
Stick to the script.

1671
00:57:59,920 --> 00:58:00,520
Brutal invasion.

1672
00:58:00,820 --> 00:58:04,560
Europe has been at Ukraine's side united, and

1673
00:58:04,560 --> 00:58:07,140
we will support you for as long as

1674
00:58:07,140 --> 00:58:10,000
it takes for just and lasting peace.

1675
00:58:10,320 --> 00:58:12,480
And this peace must be achieved through strength.

1676
00:58:12,940 --> 00:58:14,960
Let me touch upon the main points.

1677
00:58:15,620 --> 00:58:19,660
First, we must have strong security guarantees to

1678
00:58:19,660 --> 00:58:23,820
protect both Ukraine and Europe's vital security interests.

1679
00:58:24,300 --> 00:58:26,700
Ukraine must be able to uphold its sovereignty

1680
00:58:26,700 --> 00:58:29,180
and its territorial integrity.

1681
00:58:29,740 --> 00:58:33,440
There can be no limitations on Ukrainian armed

1682
00:58:33,440 --> 00:58:36,720
forces, be it cooperation with...

1683
00:58:36,720 --> 00:58:38,620
She, by the way, is the negotiator in

1684
00:58:38,620 --> 00:58:38,840
this.

1685
00:58:39,080 --> 00:58:43,080
You're hearing the actual Ukrainian talking point, so

1686
00:58:43,080 --> 00:58:45,220
they have to be able to have their

1687
00:58:45,220 --> 00:58:47,600
own army, which I'm sure Putin's fine with,

1688
00:58:47,680 --> 00:58:49,320
and Europe wants that too.

1689
00:58:49,320 --> 00:58:52,280
They want to arm those boys up to

1690
00:58:52,280 --> 00:58:54,660
the hilt, but not with the traditional things.

1691
00:58:55,260 --> 00:58:58,880
There can be no limitations on Ukrainian armed

1692
00:58:58,880 --> 00:59:02,920
forces, be it cooperation with or other third

1693
00:59:02,920 --> 00:59:06,420
countries or assistance from other third countries.

1694
00:59:06,740 --> 00:59:09,120
No limitations for the Ukrainian armed forces.

1695
00:59:09,600 --> 00:59:12,020
As I've often said, Ukraine must become a

1696
00:59:12,020 --> 00:59:13,220
steel porcupine.

1697
00:59:14,040 --> 00:59:16,380
Undigestible for potential invaders.

1698
00:59:16,760 --> 00:59:18,820
We're back to the steel porcupine bit.

1699
00:59:19,160 --> 00:59:20,060
This is great.

1700
00:59:20,800 --> 00:59:23,560
Ukraine has to be a steel porcupine with

1701
00:59:23,560 --> 00:59:25,940
all of our stuff that we are going

1702
00:59:25,940 --> 00:59:28,100
to buy from America and give to you.

1703
00:59:28,240 --> 00:59:31,580
We welcome President Trump's willingness to contribute to

1704
00:59:31,580 --> 00:59:35,840
Article 5 life security guarantees for Ukraine and

1705
00:59:35,840 --> 00:59:37,920
the coalition of the willing, including the European

1706
00:59:37,920 --> 00:59:40,440
Union, is ready to do its share.

1707
00:59:40,740 --> 00:59:42,940
We know that the work of defending Europe

1708
00:59:42,940 --> 00:59:46,440
is first and foremost our responsibility, and we've

1709
00:59:46,440 --> 00:59:48,720
been working hard to speed up and scale

1710
00:59:48,720 --> 00:59:51,300
up as we increase Europe's defense capability.

1711
00:59:51,940 --> 00:59:55,740
Through the safe instrument, we are ensuring that

1712
00:59:55,740 --> 00:59:58,640
the defense needs of member states and Ukraine

1713
00:59:58,640 --> 01:00:02,900
can be matched and that Ukraine's industrial defense

1714
01:00:02,900 --> 01:00:04,500
base is strengthened.

1715
01:00:04,800 --> 01:00:07,960
I am thinking in particular of drones here.

1716
01:00:08,220 --> 01:00:10,580
This is in our mutual interest, and I

1717
01:00:10,580 --> 01:00:13,060
intend to travel to the frontline member states

1718
01:00:13,060 --> 01:00:14,060
in the coming weeks.

1719
01:00:14,380 --> 01:00:16,240
At the same time, we continue to support

1720
01:00:16,240 --> 01:00:19,080
Ukraine's path to its membership in the European

1721
01:00:19,080 --> 01:00:19,680
Union.

1722
01:00:20,180 --> 01:00:23,180
This in itself is also a security guarantee.

1723
01:00:23,540 --> 01:00:24,260
There you go.

1724
01:00:24,800 --> 01:00:29,340
So Article 5 like security guarantees means that

1725
01:00:29,340 --> 01:00:32,220
they have a path into the EU, and

1726
01:00:32,220 --> 01:00:34,600
it would be the EU would be the

1727
01:00:34,600 --> 01:00:37,040
NATO-like organization in this case for the

1728
01:00:37,040 --> 01:00:39,560
Article 5 like security guarantees.

1729
01:00:40,160 --> 01:00:42,960
It's going to be the EU, and since

1730
01:00:42,960 --> 01:00:46,260
they don't have any planes or bombers or

1731
01:00:46,260 --> 01:00:48,320
tanks, they're going to build drones.

1732
01:00:48,680 --> 01:00:50,740
They're going to start a drone industry in

1733
01:00:50,740 --> 01:00:51,060
Ukraine.

1734
01:00:51,240 --> 01:00:53,080
That's been brewing for a long time.

1735
01:00:53,520 --> 01:00:54,960
No, we've already had the clips on it.

1736
01:00:54,960 --> 01:00:56,220
They already have it.

1737
01:00:56,360 --> 01:01:00,200
They have a high-end, they have smart

1738
01:01:00,200 --> 01:01:01,240
aeronautical engineering.

1739
01:01:01,400 --> 01:01:02,800
That's where Antonov is.

1740
01:01:03,760 --> 01:01:05,860
And Antonov is one of the great plane

1741
01:01:05,860 --> 01:01:06,760
makers of the world.

1742
01:01:06,760 --> 01:01:08,300
That's also Eric Schmidt.

1743
01:01:08,540 --> 01:01:10,540
Eric Schmidt has his whole drone outfit.

1744
01:01:10,600 --> 01:01:12,240
And then you have the Eric Schmidt operation

1745
01:01:12,240 --> 01:01:12,660
going on.

1746
01:01:12,700 --> 01:01:13,980
Yeah, the drone thing is going to be

1747
01:01:13,980 --> 01:01:15,140
what they're going to do.

1748
01:01:15,240 --> 01:01:17,060
Now the thing I want to mention about

1749
01:01:17,060 --> 01:01:21,220
the ceasefire that Trump bailed on, it was

1750
01:01:21,220 --> 01:01:23,560
made obvious to him and it's obvious to

1751
01:01:23,560 --> 01:01:26,080
everybody that the ceasefire was a phony baloney

1752
01:01:26,080 --> 01:01:27,580
deal if it was going to happen in

1753
01:01:27,580 --> 01:01:28,100
the first place.

1754
01:01:28,180 --> 01:01:29,720
Mearsheimer talked about this too.

1755
01:01:31,120 --> 01:01:33,780
The ceasefire would have just meant a stoppage

1756
01:01:33,780 --> 01:01:37,000
to allow Ukraine to build up forces and

1757
01:01:37,000 --> 01:01:40,480
even bring in some European troops that were

1758
01:01:40,480 --> 01:01:42,640
threatened by, I think, the UK wanting to

1759
01:01:42,640 --> 01:01:45,360
send some people over and some others so

1760
01:01:45,360 --> 01:01:47,300
they would just make the war worse.

1761
01:01:49,100 --> 01:01:50,140
Yeah, exactly.

1762
01:01:51,680 --> 01:01:54,620
Alright, so now they throw out, this is

1763
01:01:54,620 --> 01:01:58,520
really the term I'm looking for.

1764
01:01:59,200 --> 01:02:01,340
Because, of course, we have to have an

1765
01:02:01,340 --> 01:02:03,100
out or we have to be able to

1766
01:02:03,100 --> 01:02:05,360
blame somebody else if this doesn't happen.

1767
01:02:05,820 --> 01:02:06,640
And that's the actor.

1768
01:02:06,820 --> 01:02:08,480
So let the actor take the fall.

1769
01:02:08,680 --> 01:02:10,440
If we don't like what we see, if

1770
01:02:10,440 --> 01:02:12,260
we don't like what we hear, we're going

1771
01:02:12,260 --> 01:02:14,100
to push it on the prince.

1772
01:02:14,660 --> 01:02:17,400
My second point, with regards to any territorial

1773
01:02:17,400 --> 01:02:21,100
questions in Ukraine, our position is clear.

1774
01:02:21,620 --> 01:02:24,980
International borders cannot be changed by force.

1775
01:02:25,500 --> 01:02:28,480
These are decisions to be made by Ukraine

1776
01:02:28,480 --> 01:02:30,020
and Ukraine alone.

1777
01:02:30,280 --> 01:02:34,000
And these decisions cannot be taken without Ukraine

1778
01:02:34,000 --> 01:02:34,660
at the table.

1779
01:02:35,320 --> 01:02:37,300
We have to have our prince at the

1780
01:02:37,300 --> 01:02:37,680
table!

1781
01:02:38,100 --> 01:02:40,380
My third and final point, as long as

1782
01:02:40,380 --> 01:02:43,700
the bloodshed in Ukraine continues, Europe will maintain

1783
01:02:43,700 --> 01:02:48,600
diplomatic and, in particular, economic pressure on Russia.

1784
01:02:48,980 --> 01:02:51,140
We will continue to strengthen sanctions.

1785
01:02:51,560 --> 01:02:54,380
We have adopted 18 packages so far and

1786
01:02:54,380 --> 01:02:58,140
we are advancing preparation for the 19th.

1787
01:02:58,140 --> 01:03:01,220
The 19th sanctions package.

1788
01:03:01,360 --> 01:03:02,780
At what point do you figure out that

1789
01:03:02,780 --> 01:03:04,660
it's not going to do any good?

1790
01:03:05,480 --> 01:03:07,360
Your sanctions are useless.

1791
01:03:08,100 --> 01:03:12,200
So then Volodymyr speaks.

1792
01:03:12,360 --> 01:03:14,080
I only got a minute and a half

1793
01:03:14,080 --> 01:03:14,380
of him.

1794
01:03:14,660 --> 01:03:16,480
Actually, in some ways, the sanctions are hurting

1795
01:03:16,480 --> 01:03:17,860
Europe more than they're hurting Russia.

1796
01:03:18,160 --> 01:03:19,260
They absolutely are!

1797
01:03:19,800 --> 01:03:21,760
Not to mention the fact that the Russian

1798
01:03:21,760 --> 01:03:23,700
oligarchs had loved to go to Saint-Tropez

1799
01:03:23,700 --> 01:03:26,900
and drop tens of thousands of dollars on

1800
01:03:26,900 --> 01:03:29,740
Dom Pérignon for the house.

1801
01:03:30,360 --> 01:03:32,840
Yeah, with those Roman candles and all the

1802
01:03:32,840 --> 01:03:34,140
babes.

1803
01:03:36,120 --> 01:03:36,780
We've seen it.

1804
01:03:37,140 --> 01:03:37,620
We know it.

1805
01:03:38,000 --> 01:03:38,120
Yes.

1806
01:03:39,160 --> 01:03:40,120
It's cool.

1807
01:03:40,380 --> 01:03:41,940
Thank you so much, dear Ursula.

1808
01:03:42,140 --> 01:03:43,480
Ursula, dear Ursula!

1809
01:03:43,680 --> 01:03:44,860
Thank you for your support.

1810
01:03:45,220 --> 01:03:46,180
Thank you for this day.

1811
01:03:46,260 --> 01:03:48,880
It's very important for all your support from

1812
01:03:48,880 --> 01:03:50,560
the very beginning of this war.

1813
01:03:50,980 --> 01:03:53,720
And it's very important that you are with

1814
01:03:53,720 --> 01:03:57,520
us and that we speak to America and

1815
01:03:57,520 --> 01:03:58,320
we speak together.

1816
01:03:59,260 --> 01:04:02,480
And it's important that Washington is...

1817
01:04:02,480 --> 01:04:05,060
Interesting the way he frames that.

1818
01:04:05,440 --> 01:04:07,880
It's almost like we're the enemy here in

1819
01:04:07,880 --> 01:04:08,180
this.

1820
01:04:08,800 --> 01:04:10,540
It's very important that we speak to America

1821
01:04:10,540 --> 01:04:15,140
together as a unified front because we can't

1822
01:04:15,140 --> 01:04:15,440
trust that.

1823
01:04:15,440 --> 01:04:17,180
That was an interesting catch.

1824
01:04:17,460 --> 01:04:20,600
You are with us and that we speak

1825
01:04:20,600 --> 01:04:22,860
to America and we speak together.

1826
01:04:23,500 --> 01:04:27,240
And it's important that Washington is with us.

1827
01:04:27,320 --> 01:04:31,200
And today in several months we are deciding

1828
01:04:31,200 --> 01:04:35,620
what we are going to discuss in Washington.

1829
01:04:36,420 --> 01:04:39,340
Dear journalists, it's crucial that Europe is...

1830
01:04:39,340 --> 01:04:41,660
How many leaders do you know that say,

1831
01:04:41,780 --> 01:04:44,720
dear journalists, listen up, this is what I

1832
01:04:44,720 --> 01:04:45,320
want you to write.

1833
01:04:45,440 --> 01:04:46,060
This is important.

1834
01:04:46,180 --> 01:04:46,940
We gave you the briefing.

1835
01:04:47,080 --> 01:04:48,920
Dear journalists, this is important.

1836
01:04:49,160 --> 01:04:53,080
What we are going to discuss in Washington.

1837
01:04:53,840 --> 01:04:57,680
Dear journalists, it's crucial that Europe is as

1838
01:04:57,680 --> 01:05:00,320
united now as it was at the very

1839
01:05:00,320 --> 01:05:03,500
beginning as it was in 2022 when the

1840
01:05:03,500 --> 01:05:05,060
full-scale war began.

1841
01:05:05,680 --> 01:05:08,740
This unity really helps to reach real peace

1842
01:05:08,740 --> 01:05:11,340
and it must stay strong.

1843
01:05:11,840 --> 01:05:14,080
First, we have to stop the killings.

1844
01:05:14,260 --> 01:05:16,520
Putin has many demands, but we do not

1845
01:05:16,520 --> 01:05:17,520
know all of them.

1846
01:05:18,300 --> 01:05:20,700
And if there are really as many as

1847
01:05:20,700 --> 01:05:23,840
we heard, then it will take time to

1848
01:05:23,840 --> 01:05:25,180
go through them all.

1849
01:05:25,440 --> 01:05:28,120
It's impossible to do this under the pressure

1850
01:05:28,120 --> 01:05:29,060
of weapons.

1851
01:05:29,360 --> 01:05:32,320
So it's necessary to cease fire and war

1852
01:05:32,320 --> 01:05:34,220
quickly on a final deal.

1853
01:05:34,420 --> 01:05:38,880
So already he's backpedaling on this by saying,

1854
01:05:39,000 --> 01:05:41,600
nah, we've got to cease fire before we

1855
01:05:41,600 --> 01:05:42,660
have a final deal.

1856
01:05:42,820 --> 01:05:46,420
He's sabotaging it and it's obvious that Ursula

1857
01:05:46,420 --> 01:05:48,340
has her hand up his butt, pulling the

1858
01:05:48,340 --> 01:05:48,680
strings.

1859
01:05:49,240 --> 01:05:52,020
We'll talk about it in Washington.

1860
01:05:52,380 --> 01:05:54,580
Putin does not want to stop the killing,

1861
01:05:54,980 --> 01:05:56,300
but he must do it.

1862
01:05:56,600 --> 01:05:59,600
Second, we need real negotiations, which means they

1863
01:05:59,600 --> 01:06:02,800
can start where the front line is now.

1864
01:06:03,040 --> 01:06:05,540
The contact line is the best line for

1865
01:06:05,540 --> 01:06:08,180
talking and Europeans support this.

1866
01:06:08,560 --> 01:06:10,640
And we thank everyone.

1867
01:06:11,300 --> 01:06:14,560
Russia is still unsuccessful in Donetsk region.

1868
01:06:14,560 --> 01:06:17,920
Putin has been unable to take it for

1869
01:06:17,920 --> 01:06:19,400
12 years.

1870
01:06:20,140 --> 01:06:24,560
And the constitution of Ukraine makes it impossible

1871
01:06:24,560 --> 01:06:27,780
to give up territory or trade land.

1872
01:06:28,180 --> 01:06:31,860
Since the territorial issue is so important, it

1873
01:06:31,860 --> 01:06:35,100
should be discussed only by the leaders of

1874
01:06:35,100 --> 01:06:38,640
Ukraine and Russia and the trilateral Ukraine, United

1875
01:06:38,640 --> 01:06:39,400
States, Russia.

1876
01:06:39,620 --> 01:06:42,720
So far, Russia gives no sign that trilateral

1877
01:06:42,720 --> 01:06:43,940
will happen.

1878
01:06:44,260 --> 01:06:47,420
And if Russia refuses, then new sanctions must

1879
01:06:47,420 --> 01:06:48,000
follow.

1880
01:06:48,560 --> 01:06:51,000
So what he's saying is we want to

1881
01:06:51,000 --> 01:06:53,180
be on equal footing with the United States

1882
01:06:53,180 --> 01:06:54,080
at the table.

1883
01:06:54,700 --> 01:06:56,520
We don't like it that you're doing the

1884
01:06:56,520 --> 01:06:57,520
deal for us.

1885
01:06:58,740 --> 01:07:02,260
And the only way out of this, which

1886
01:07:02,260 --> 01:07:04,420
I think is the correct way for...

1887
01:07:04,420 --> 01:07:05,620
And by the way, what deal are we

1888
01:07:05,620 --> 01:07:06,420
doing for them?

1889
01:07:07,660 --> 01:07:09,860
We're just trying to facilitate as far as

1890
01:07:09,860 --> 01:07:10,480
I understand.

1891
01:07:10,480 --> 01:07:13,140
I don't see that we're doing anything in

1892
01:07:13,140 --> 01:07:13,740
that regard.

1893
01:07:14,720 --> 01:07:17,300
We are trying to facilitate, but I mean,

1894
01:07:17,340 --> 01:07:18,560
we're not doing any deals.

1895
01:07:18,880 --> 01:07:20,760
Well, I think the deal that's on the

1896
01:07:20,760 --> 01:07:25,460
table is we give some kind of guarantee

1897
01:07:25,460 --> 01:07:29,360
that during the accession period of Ukraine into

1898
01:07:29,360 --> 01:07:33,020
the EU, they get Article V-like guarantees

1899
01:07:33,020 --> 01:07:36,300
from the EU, not from NATO, but from

1900
01:07:36,300 --> 01:07:36,860
the EU.

1901
01:07:37,540 --> 01:07:40,660
And so that way, while that's taking...

1902
01:07:40,660 --> 01:07:42,260
And that'll take several years because they have

1903
01:07:42,260 --> 01:07:42,820
to get rid of...

1904
01:07:42,820 --> 01:07:44,020
In fact, it may never happen.

1905
01:07:44,540 --> 01:07:46,500
And Europe probably doesn't want it to happen.

1906
01:07:47,100 --> 01:07:49,540
But in the meantime, we can continue all

1907
01:07:49,540 --> 01:07:52,360
of our corruption scams, all of our money

1908
01:07:52,940 --> 01:07:56,040
laundering through the drone industry and whatever else

1909
01:07:56,040 --> 01:07:57,380
we're going to be setting up there.

1910
01:07:57,420 --> 01:08:01,020
And the new Ukraine, we've already started the

1911
01:08:01,020 --> 01:08:02,780
rebuilding Ukraine process.

1912
01:08:03,480 --> 01:08:06,840
And we'll have this reason to buy military

1913
01:08:06,840 --> 01:08:09,660
equipment and to start manufacturing our own, but

1914
01:08:09,660 --> 01:08:11,160
apparently it's not going to be tanks or

1915
01:08:11,160 --> 01:08:12,120
planes or guns.

1916
01:08:12,280 --> 01:08:12,860
It's going to be drones.

1917
01:08:13,700 --> 01:08:15,020
Because that's what they needed.

1918
01:08:15,140 --> 01:08:17,600
They need that continuous threat.

1919
01:08:19,779 --> 01:08:22,100
And I'm still not sure that we won't

1920
01:08:22,100 --> 01:08:25,220
wind up with a demilitarized zone and an

1921
01:08:25,220 --> 01:08:27,200
armistice at the end of the day.

1922
01:08:29,620 --> 01:08:32,500
In the newsletter, you actually wrote some interesting

1923
01:08:32,500 --> 01:08:36,920
things about how similar the US and Russia

1924
01:08:36,920 --> 01:08:39,620
are, which I thought was quite correct.

1925
01:08:40,560 --> 01:08:42,580
And I'm not going to play any clips

1926
01:08:42,580 --> 01:08:45,660
from it, but President Putin actually his entire,

1927
01:08:46,359 --> 01:08:49,260
and it was long, his eight minutes of

1928
01:08:49,260 --> 01:08:52,359
thank you for letting me be here was

1929
01:08:52,359 --> 01:08:55,020
very truthful and complimentary.

1930
01:08:55,200 --> 01:08:57,580
He talked about how the Russians and the

1931
01:08:57,580 --> 01:09:00,020
US worked together during World War II and

1932
01:09:00,020 --> 01:09:05,840
the bridge, the air bridge that we spearheaded

1933
01:09:05,840 --> 01:09:09,140
into Europe went from Alaska.

1934
01:09:10,399 --> 01:09:13,680
He went to visit the burial site of

1935
01:09:13,680 --> 01:09:16,319
the Russian pilots who were buried in Alaska.

1936
01:09:17,920 --> 01:09:20,340
He talked about how we should be doing

1937
01:09:20,340 --> 01:09:21,540
more business together.

1938
01:09:21,760 --> 01:09:23,700
He liked how President Trump was a businessman.

1939
01:09:24,240 --> 01:09:25,899
And then at the very end, he said,

1940
01:09:26,000 --> 01:09:28,939
Mr. President is right.

1941
01:09:29,640 --> 01:09:32,319
If it was him who was a president

1942
01:09:32,319 --> 01:09:34,920
at the time, the war wouldn't have started

1943
01:09:34,920 --> 01:09:38,720
because I kept warning the Biden administration not

1944
01:09:38,720 --> 01:09:39,779
to do what they were doing.

1945
01:09:40,000 --> 01:09:40,819
And that's the truth.

1946
01:09:41,020 --> 01:09:42,700
We were here.

1947
01:09:44,160 --> 01:09:46,660
But that, of course, only turns into, oh,

1948
01:09:46,720 --> 01:09:50,620
it's just an atmospherics that was cringeworthy.

1949
01:09:50,819 --> 01:09:52,660
Until the very end, and this I think,

1950
01:09:52,920 --> 01:09:55,260
I think this was the true giveaway that

1951
01:09:55,260 --> 01:09:57,260
this was not the real Putin because I've

1952
01:09:57,260 --> 01:09:59,360
heard Putin speak English, and this was not

1953
01:09:59,360 --> 01:10:00,080
the real Putin.

1954
01:10:00,440 --> 01:10:02,780
The way his face moved, the way he

1955
01:10:02,780 --> 01:10:05,060
looked, but it was still a funny ending.

1956
01:10:05,380 --> 01:10:06,020
Again, Mr. President.

1957
01:10:06,160 --> 01:10:10,720
By the way, it's possible that they did

1958
01:10:10,720 --> 01:10:13,640
have a meeting, Putin and Trump, and Putin

1959
01:10:13,640 --> 01:10:15,120
was on the, you know, they had three

1960
01:10:15,120 --> 01:10:20,180
hours on a big screen in the room

1961
01:10:20,180 --> 01:10:22,340
with the fake Putin and the real Putin

1962
01:10:22,340 --> 01:10:23,780
on the screen, and they could have been

1963
01:10:23,780 --> 01:10:26,620
negotiating basically face to face.

1964
01:10:26,640 --> 01:10:28,360
Maybe they had the fake Trump there too.

1965
01:10:28,360 --> 01:10:29,820
Maybe it was just two actors.

1966
01:10:31,440 --> 01:10:32,940
It could have been the fake Trump.

1967
01:10:33,160 --> 01:10:33,820
Yeah, easily.

1968
01:10:34,200 --> 01:10:35,800
It was hard to tell on the big

1969
01:10:35,800 --> 01:10:36,060
screen.

1970
01:10:36,140 --> 01:10:38,340
Anyway, here's the wind up and the goodbye.

1971
01:10:38,600 --> 01:10:40,320
Again, Mr. President, I'd like to thank you

1972
01:10:40,320 --> 01:10:41,980
very much, and we'll speak to you very

1973
01:10:41,980 --> 01:10:44,140
soon and probably see you again very soon.

1974
01:10:44,980 --> 01:10:46,180
Thank you very much, Vladimir.

1975
01:10:47,000 --> 01:10:48,680
Next time in Moscow.

1976
01:10:49,520 --> 01:10:51,100
Oh, that's an interesting one.

1977
01:10:51,200 --> 01:10:52,400
I don't know, I'll get a little heat

1978
01:10:52,400 --> 01:10:55,080
on that one, but I could see it

1979
01:10:55,080 --> 01:10:55,820
possibly happening.

1980
01:10:55,820 --> 01:10:57,880
Thank you very much, Vladimir, and thank you

1981
01:10:57,880 --> 01:10:58,160
all.

1982
01:10:58,300 --> 01:10:58,860
Thank you.

1983
01:11:00,100 --> 01:11:01,640
There's a prop bet for you.

1984
01:11:01,700 --> 01:11:02,700
Next time, Moscow?

1985
01:11:04,340 --> 01:11:06,660
By the way, that fact that he didn't

1986
01:11:06,660 --> 01:11:09,120
do the normal yak yak yak press conference

1987
01:11:09,120 --> 01:11:12,120
at the end might be an indication that

1988
01:11:12,120 --> 01:11:12,740
it wasn't Trump.

1989
01:11:13,500 --> 01:11:14,520
No weave.

1990
01:11:15,660 --> 01:11:17,320
It was on script.

1991
01:11:17,720 --> 01:11:18,860
Never smiled.

1992
01:11:19,140 --> 01:11:20,280
No, no, no.

1993
01:11:21,640 --> 01:11:24,280
I do have, if you're interested, I have

1994
01:11:24,280 --> 01:11:27,420
a couple of shorties from our Canadian guy,

1995
01:11:28,800 --> 01:11:29,480
Andrew Resulis.

1996
01:11:29,960 --> 01:11:31,260
I like him.

1997
01:11:31,360 --> 01:11:32,300
I like him a lot.

1998
01:11:32,960 --> 01:11:35,180
I like how our Canadian producers are always

1999
01:11:35,180 --> 01:11:37,580
finding him because he doesn't just go on

2000
01:11:37,580 --> 01:11:40,220
CBC, he goes on CTV, he's all over

2001
01:11:40,220 --> 01:11:40,680
the place.

2002
01:11:41,600 --> 01:11:44,140
So they find his clips for me, and

2003
01:11:45,180 --> 01:11:49,420
this was kind of an interesting answer that

2004
01:11:49,420 --> 01:11:49,840
he gives.

2005
01:11:50,400 --> 01:11:52,960
Joining us now is Andrew Resulis, retired official

2006
01:11:52,960 --> 01:11:54,740
from the Department of National Defense.

2007
01:11:54,860 --> 01:11:56,380
Andrew, thank you as always for joining us.

2008
01:11:56,460 --> 01:11:58,660
Trump's saying that the meeting with Putin was

2009
01:11:58,660 --> 01:11:59,600
a success.

2010
01:12:00,180 --> 01:12:02,060
Is there a truth to that?

2011
01:12:02,340 --> 01:12:04,320
Well, it was an event, and it moved

2012
01:12:04,320 --> 01:12:05,120
the goalposts.

2013
01:12:05,280 --> 01:12:06,060
It was an event.

2014
01:12:06,200 --> 01:12:07,820
Yeah, there you go, it was an event.

2015
01:12:08,340 --> 01:12:10,460
It's success from a Russian point of view,

2016
01:12:10,840 --> 01:12:13,220
and not very successful from a Ukrainian point

2017
01:12:13,220 --> 01:12:13,460
of view.

2018
01:12:13,820 --> 01:12:16,540
The reason is, is that the effect of

2019
01:12:16,540 --> 01:12:18,640
the meeting, and that's what they'll discuss with

2020
01:12:18,640 --> 01:12:21,520
Zelensky in Washington on Monday, is that the

2021
01:12:21,520 --> 01:12:25,520
Ukrainian idea of first having a ceasefire, then

2022
01:12:25,520 --> 01:12:28,600
followed by negotiations on a peace settlement have

2023
01:12:28,600 --> 01:12:30,360
basically been taken off the table.

2024
01:12:30,780 --> 01:12:32,960
The Americans are now agreeing with the Russian

2025
01:12:32,960 --> 01:12:37,240
position, which is negotiations on a peace settlement

2026
01:12:37,240 --> 01:12:39,000
must precede ceasefire.

2027
01:12:39,140 --> 01:12:42,600
So fighting continues while you negotiate a framework

2028
01:12:42,600 --> 01:12:43,340
for a peace settlement.

2029
01:12:43,680 --> 01:12:46,100
So the Ukrainians now are left in a

2030
01:12:46,100 --> 01:12:46,920
difficult position.

2031
01:12:47,340 --> 01:12:49,920
They can either move to actually a framework

2032
01:12:49,920 --> 01:12:54,340
discussion of a peace settlement, or they can

2033
01:12:54,340 --> 01:12:57,460
simply keep fighting and not talk to the

2034
01:12:57,460 --> 01:12:57,800
Russians.

2035
01:12:58,720 --> 01:13:01,840
And in this clip, he brings up an

2036
01:13:01,840 --> 01:13:04,400
interesting concept, which I'm not even sure I

2037
01:13:04,400 --> 01:13:07,080
understand how it works, but this is about

2038
01:13:07,080 --> 01:13:08,820
the war continuing or not.

2039
01:13:09,060 --> 01:13:10,360
Can they afford to keep fighting?

2040
01:13:10,560 --> 01:13:13,020
We hear repeatedly now that they're losing more

2041
01:13:13,020 --> 01:13:13,720
and more ground.

2042
01:13:13,860 --> 01:13:15,340
Are they going to actually, are they going

2043
01:13:15,340 --> 01:13:16,240
to hit a point where they may have

2044
01:13:16,240 --> 01:13:16,940
to sue for peace?

2045
01:13:17,140 --> 01:13:17,560
They may.

2046
01:13:18,060 --> 01:13:20,740
It's hard to judge right now, but I

2047
01:13:20,740 --> 01:13:24,200
guess most analysts suggest that the war could

2048
01:13:24,200 --> 01:13:27,320
grind on for about another, well, certainly for

2049
01:13:27,320 --> 01:13:30,580
the rest of 2025 and into 2026.

2050
01:13:31,240 --> 01:13:33,920
And the big calculus there is on the

2051
01:13:33,920 --> 01:13:36,740
Russian side, they feel that by sometime in

2052
01:13:36,740 --> 01:13:40,260
2026, they can exhaust the Ukrainians, where the

2053
01:13:40,260 --> 01:13:43,820
Ukrainians essentially capitulate to the Russian demands for

2054
01:13:43,820 --> 01:13:45,100
a settlement.

2055
01:13:45,660 --> 01:13:47,680
On the other hand, the Ukrainians think that

2056
01:13:47,680 --> 01:13:49,700
maybe if they can keep fighting, even though

2057
01:13:49,700 --> 01:13:53,260
they're withdrawing, they are withdrawing, they can wear

2058
01:13:53,260 --> 01:13:55,180
down the Russians and wait for the Russian

2059
01:13:55,180 --> 01:13:59,800
economy to, as they think, collapse and not

2060
01:13:59,800 --> 01:14:01,940
be able to fund the Russian war, and

2061
01:14:01,940 --> 01:14:03,640
then the Russians will have to sue for

2062
01:14:03,640 --> 01:14:04,000
peace.

2063
01:14:04,180 --> 01:14:06,220
So that's the calculus on both sides.

2064
01:14:06,660 --> 01:14:08,540
Did he say sue for peace?

2065
01:14:09,380 --> 01:14:10,480
Sue for peace.

2066
01:14:11,080 --> 01:14:12,060
Sue for peace?

2067
01:14:12,180 --> 01:14:12,600
What does that mean?

2068
01:14:12,940 --> 01:14:14,020
Sue for peace.

2069
01:14:14,160 --> 01:14:14,680
It's a court?

2070
01:14:16,400 --> 01:14:18,260
Well, it's a phrase.

2071
01:14:18,460 --> 01:14:19,680
It's a sue for peace.

2072
01:14:19,980 --> 01:14:23,400
It means you make, you say, we're going

2073
01:14:23,400 --> 01:14:24,420
to the negotiating table.

2074
01:14:24,740 --> 01:14:26,360
We're going to do the deal right now.

2075
01:14:26,860 --> 01:14:28,480
Oh, I thought he actually had been going

2076
01:14:28,480 --> 01:14:30,760
to the, like, international criminal court.

2077
01:14:30,780 --> 01:14:31,220
No, no, no.

2078
01:14:31,300 --> 01:14:32,680
Sue for peace is just a phrase.

2079
01:14:32,760 --> 01:14:33,300
Oh, okay.

2080
01:14:33,820 --> 01:14:34,520
And then...

2081
01:14:34,520 --> 01:14:36,560
It's, you know, like, just a phrase.

2082
01:14:36,700 --> 01:14:38,940
It doesn't mean actually suing.

2083
01:14:40,120 --> 01:14:41,060
Thank you for that.

2084
01:14:42,220 --> 01:14:44,680
People have to get a clue about, and

2085
01:14:44,680 --> 01:14:46,500
you can get a clue by watching YouTube

2086
01:14:46,500 --> 01:14:47,220
videos.

2087
01:14:47,820 --> 01:14:50,080
The Russian economy is not about their collapse.

2088
01:14:50,180 --> 01:14:52,920
In fact, the GDP went up when all

2089
01:14:52,920 --> 01:14:53,700
the sanctions...

2090
01:14:53,700 --> 01:14:54,620
They have a war economy.

2091
01:14:55,680 --> 01:14:57,260
One, they have a war economy.

2092
01:14:57,440 --> 01:15:00,020
Second, they're doing just, they're not making the

2093
01:15:00,020 --> 01:15:01,660
kinds of money they would be making if

2094
01:15:01,660 --> 01:15:03,680
they had open market oil.

2095
01:15:04,920 --> 01:15:06,240
They'd be making more.

2096
01:15:06,240 --> 01:15:08,860
But they're making money because they have a

2097
01:15:08,860 --> 01:15:10,420
lot of it, and they're selling it to

2098
01:15:10,420 --> 01:15:13,720
India and China who are smart enough to

2099
01:15:13,720 --> 01:15:16,720
buy it because it's cheaper than the open

2100
01:15:16,720 --> 01:15:19,320
market stuff, but it's still helping them.

2101
01:15:20,060 --> 01:15:22,500
And the Russian economy adjusted a lot.

2102
01:15:22,760 --> 01:15:25,640
You know, when they first started the sanctioning,

2103
01:15:25,760 --> 01:15:27,520
this was, I think we reported this years

2104
01:15:27,520 --> 01:15:31,480
ago, the Russians were, they lost a lot

2105
01:15:31,480 --> 01:15:34,340
of the trade with, especially with Poland, of

2106
01:15:34,340 --> 01:15:36,720
different fruits and vegetables, and the Russians picked

2107
01:15:36,720 --> 01:15:40,180
up the slack, and especially with dairy, and

2108
01:15:40,180 --> 01:15:43,000
they went internal and they started developing their

2109
01:15:43,000 --> 01:15:43,580
own businesses.

2110
01:15:43,780 --> 01:15:46,500
They actually flourished because instead of relying on

2111
01:15:46,500 --> 01:15:51,100
imports for everything at the grocery store, they

2112
01:15:51,100 --> 01:15:53,460
started making it themselves, and it turns out

2113
01:15:53,460 --> 01:15:56,040
that they had all these capabilities in abeyance,

2114
01:15:56,640 --> 01:15:57,780
and they're doing quite well.

2115
01:15:59,500 --> 01:16:02,940
Why we are, this promotion of the idea

2116
01:16:02,940 --> 01:16:06,360
that the Russian economy's in bad shape, is

2117
01:16:06,360 --> 01:16:09,520
if you go find some Russian YouTube, or

2118
01:16:09,520 --> 01:16:12,140
you find YouTube videos of people walking around

2119
01:16:12,140 --> 01:16:14,680
on the street in Russia, and going in

2120
01:16:14,680 --> 01:16:16,080
and out of stores, and there's people in

2121
01:16:16,080 --> 01:16:17,920
grocery stores, there's reports, there's all kinds of

2122
01:16:17,920 --> 01:16:18,100
stuff.

2123
01:16:18,820 --> 01:16:20,920
Some of the grocery stores in Moscow are

2124
01:16:20,920 --> 01:16:22,080
better than the ones we've had here.

2125
01:16:22,380 --> 01:16:25,360
And I remember going to Moscow before the

2126
01:16:25,360 --> 01:16:27,160
fall of communism, about the time you were

2127
01:16:27,160 --> 01:16:30,820
there, and you'd go to the world's first

2128
01:16:30,820 --> 01:16:35,880
department store, it's not in France, it was

2129
01:16:35,880 --> 01:16:36,920
the GUM.

2130
01:16:37,400 --> 01:16:41,440
The GUM store in Moscow, which was a

2131
01:16:41,440 --> 01:16:42,200
big, giant department store.

2132
01:16:42,200 --> 01:16:44,180
That was the world's first department store?

2133
01:16:44,300 --> 01:16:45,140
As far as I know.

2134
01:16:45,340 --> 01:16:47,120
How about that?

2135
01:16:47,860 --> 01:16:49,720
And it was empty.

2136
01:16:50,940 --> 01:16:53,240
There was like, we went around, looked at

2137
01:16:53,240 --> 01:16:55,380
different things, I was taken around by a

2138
01:16:55,380 --> 01:16:59,980
typical cynic that's crawling with them, and only

2139
01:16:59,980 --> 01:17:02,020
one section of the store had, they had

2140
01:17:02,020 --> 01:17:04,040
like a million raincoats for sale.

2141
01:17:04,720 --> 01:17:06,340
And the guy says, they're probably all the

2142
01:17:06,340 --> 01:17:09,420
same size, the size nobody wears, it's the

2143
01:17:09,420 --> 01:17:10,340
only reason they're there.

2144
01:17:11,100 --> 01:17:14,420
And you would go to the Russian stores,

2145
01:17:14,560 --> 01:17:15,780
and they were all a mess, they were

2146
01:17:15,780 --> 01:17:17,280
no good, they didn't have anything, but then

2147
01:17:17,280 --> 01:17:22,180
they had these other stores, these black markets,

2148
01:17:22,340 --> 01:17:24,140
they weren't black market, they were official, but

2149
01:17:24,140 --> 01:17:25,460
you had to have a passport to get

2150
01:17:25,460 --> 01:17:26,780
into them, and they were English.

2151
01:17:27,480 --> 01:17:28,700
They took only dollars.

2152
01:17:29,860 --> 01:17:32,000
And you go in there, they had everything.

2153
01:17:35,540 --> 01:17:36,940
They straightened that out.

2154
01:17:37,140 --> 01:17:39,020
And it's not like all U.S. companies

2155
01:17:39,020 --> 01:17:40,360
have stopped doing business there.

2156
01:17:40,560 --> 01:17:42,640
We have enough evidence of that.

2157
01:17:43,300 --> 01:17:45,940
So we're being misled about a lot of

2158
01:17:45,940 --> 01:17:46,360
this stuff.

2159
01:17:46,420 --> 01:17:46,940
All of it?

2160
01:17:48,200 --> 01:17:50,260
Let me just play this last bit, it's

2161
01:17:50,260 --> 01:17:51,460
about Trump, 30 seconds.

2162
01:17:51,460 --> 01:17:53,060
And the wild card in this, of course,

2163
01:17:53,140 --> 01:17:53,860
is Donald Trump.

2164
01:17:54,320 --> 01:17:56,080
What more can he do to try and

2165
01:17:56,080 --> 01:17:57,520
bring about an end to this war?

2166
01:17:57,640 --> 01:17:59,720
He's very much the broker here.

2167
01:17:59,980 --> 01:18:02,740
So he's doing the broker role, which he's

2168
01:18:02,740 --> 01:18:03,440
met with Putin.

2169
01:18:03,700 --> 01:18:06,080
He's gotten where he can with Putin, and

2170
01:18:06,080 --> 01:18:07,380
we can see that he's not gotten very

2171
01:18:07,380 --> 01:18:07,700
far.

2172
01:18:07,960 --> 01:18:09,520
The Russians are holding very firm.

2173
01:18:09,960 --> 01:18:11,860
Now, he's going to go on Monday when

2174
01:18:11,860 --> 01:18:14,640
Zelensky comes to Washington to actually see if

2175
01:18:14,640 --> 01:18:17,100
he can move the Ukrainians to that framework

2176
01:18:17,100 --> 01:18:18,640
discussion of a peace settlement.

2177
01:18:18,640 --> 01:18:21,080
If he can do that, he will have

2178
01:18:21,080 --> 01:18:23,180
moved the goalposts closer to a peace settlement.

2179
01:18:24,200 --> 01:18:26,180
Not everyone will like the terms of that,

2180
01:18:26,500 --> 01:18:28,580
but he has moved at least closer to

2181
01:18:28,580 --> 01:18:28,980
peace.

2182
01:18:29,260 --> 01:18:31,020
Now, do you think they will do an

2183
01:18:31,020 --> 01:18:35,760
Oval Office sit-down with Zelensky, Queen Ursula,

2184
01:18:36,040 --> 01:18:37,580
Keir Starmer, Macron?

2185
01:18:38,280 --> 01:18:39,200
It's too many people.

2186
01:18:39,780 --> 01:18:42,960
Well, he's had more people in there before.

2187
01:18:43,200 --> 01:18:45,120
I mean, I would love to see him

2188
01:18:45,120 --> 01:18:48,640
and Ursula, and it would be great if

2189
01:18:48,640 --> 01:18:50,840
he just slapped her around.

2190
01:18:51,460 --> 01:18:52,680
That would be funny.

2191
01:18:53,560 --> 01:18:56,080
Well, he sat down with her recently, and

2192
01:18:56,080 --> 01:18:57,080
he was very complimentary.

2193
01:18:57,420 --> 01:18:59,060
He was complimentary, because he knew we had

2194
01:18:59,060 --> 01:18:59,880
some kind of deal.

2195
01:19:00,020 --> 01:19:01,500
Still not quite sure if that's an actual

2196
01:19:01,500 --> 01:19:06,700
deal that she can offer.

2197
01:19:06,700 --> 01:19:09,420
He plays her like...

2198
01:19:09,420 --> 01:19:12,580
Everyone says Putin manipulates Trump, but he does

2199
01:19:12,580 --> 01:19:13,500
the same thing with her.

2200
01:19:13,500 --> 01:19:14,840
But, I mean, are we going to get

2201
01:19:14,840 --> 01:19:15,720
a show tomorrow?

2202
01:19:15,880 --> 01:19:17,260
Will it be behind closed doors?

2203
01:19:17,380 --> 01:19:20,020
Will they do it in the big desk

2204
01:19:20,020 --> 01:19:20,400
room?

2205
01:19:21,420 --> 01:19:22,600
Well, I have no idea.

2206
01:19:23,440 --> 01:19:24,740
Think like Trump.

2207
01:19:26,120 --> 01:19:28,260
He clearly will want to do a show.

2208
01:19:28,600 --> 01:19:32,440
He'd put a presentation on someplace in a

2209
01:19:32,440 --> 01:19:33,060
bigger room.

2210
01:19:33,540 --> 01:19:34,840
I don't like the Cabinet Room.

2211
01:19:35,040 --> 01:19:36,120
That's too formal.

2212
01:19:36,760 --> 01:19:37,920
There's no good angles.

2213
01:19:38,080 --> 01:19:38,920
It doesn't look right.

2214
01:19:39,520 --> 01:19:41,460
No, the Cabinet Room's no good.

2215
01:19:41,460 --> 01:19:42,720
I don't know where they'd do it.

2216
01:19:42,800 --> 01:19:44,400
I think he's comfortable in there, because it

2217
01:19:44,400 --> 01:19:46,280
reminds him of the set of The Apprentice.

2218
01:19:47,820 --> 01:19:49,220
He could fire Ursula.

2219
01:19:52,220 --> 01:19:53,760
Well, it'll be interesting to watch.

2220
01:19:54,280 --> 01:19:55,980
I only have a couple more clips on

2221
01:19:55,980 --> 01:19:56,520
this topic.

2222
01:19:58,340 --> 01:19:59,840
We can put them off.

2223
01:20:01,980 --> 01:20:03,420
Everything's going to change tomorrow.

2224
01:20:04,000 --> 01:20:06,100
Yeah, these are the PBS clips, and they

2225
01:20:06,100 --> 01:20:09,560
brought in some spook to talk about this.

2226
01:20:09,560 --> 01:20:11,880
Who's on the payroll, no doubt.

2227
01:20:14,040 --> 01:20:15,260
Oh, I'm sorry.

2228
01:20:16,200 --> 01:20:16,900
This is not the clip.

2229
01:20:17,160 --> 01:20:19,560
Andrea Kendall something or other.

2230
01:20:23,860 --> 01:20:25,820
There's a WTF clip in here, so I

2231
01:20:25,820 --> 01:20:26,840
wanted to play these.

2232
01:20:27,280 --> 01:20:33,240
This is Trump, Putin, this is CBS, but

2233
01:20:33,240 --> 01:20:34,120
I think it's PBS.

2234
01:20:36,100 --> 01:20:43,400
This is some intelligence asset discussing the Putin

2235
01:20:43,400 --> 01:20:47,860
peace discussions in Alaska.

2236
01:20:48,540 --> 01:20:50,620
Peace efforts in the war between Russia and

2237
01:20:50,620 --> 01:20:52,560
Ukraine shift to the White House next week,

2238
01:20:52,580 --> 01:20:55,380
when President Trump meets with Ukrainian President Volodymyr

2239
01:20:55,380 --> 01:20:55,940
Zelensky.

2240
01:20:56,260 --> 01:20:59,440
Their talks come as Mr. Trump has now

2241
01:20:59,440 --> 01:21:03,080
aligned himself with Russian President Vladimir Putin, dropping

2242
01:21:03,080 --> 01:21:05,640
his demand for a ceasefire and backing a

2243
01:21:05,640 --> 01:21:07,880
comprehensive agreement to end the war instead.

2244
01:21:08,280 --> 01:21:10,620
Hours after meeting with Putin in Alaska, Mr.

2245
01:21:10,740 --> 01:21:14,380
Trump announced a sudden reversal on Truth Social.

2246
01:21:14,780 --> 01:21:17,560
It was determined by all that the best

2247
01:21:17,560 --> 01:21:19,820
way to end the horrific war between Russia

2248
01:21:19,820 --> 01:21:22,120
and Ukraine is to go directly to a

2249
01:21:22,120 --> 01:21:24,400
peace agreement, which would end the war, and

2250
01:21:24,400 --> 01:21:26,460
not a mere ceasefire agreement.

2251
01:21:27,120 --> 01:21:29,580
Earlier, the President had told Fox News' Sean

2252
01:21:29,580 --> 01:21:32,420
Hannity that the responsibility is now on others.

2253
01:21:32,420 --> 01:21:35,460
Now it's really up to President Zelensky to

2254
01:21:35,460 --> 01:21:36,000
get it done.

2255
01:21:36,700 --> 01:21:39,480
And I would also say the European nations,

2256
01:21:39,560 --> 01:21:41,080
they have to get involved a little bit.

2257
01:21:41,320 --> 01:21:42,980
And now for analysis of all of this,

2258
01:21:43,280 --> 01:21:46,500
Andrea Kendall Taylor, she's a former senior intelligence

2259
01:21:46,500 --> 01:21:46,980
officer.

2260
01:21:47,160 --> 01:21:49,200
She's now a senior fellow at the Center

2261
01:21:49,200 --> 01:21:50,940
for a New American Security.

2262
01:21:51,500 --> 01:21:54,120
Andrea, in addition to sort of flip-flopping,

2263
01:21:54,220 --> 01:21:56,360
you're changing his position on the ceasefire, there

2264
01:21:56,360 --> 01:21:58,820
are now reports that he's told European leaders

2265
01:21:58,820 --> 01:22:02,800
that he now supports Russia's demand for territory

2266
01:22:02,800 --> 01:22:03,860
for peace.

2267
01:22:04,060 --> 01:22:06,100
Where does this leave the peace effort?

2268
01:22:06,960 --> 01:22:08,980
Wow, she's a real spook.

2269
01:22:10,020 --> 01:22:12,320
She looks a bit like a...

2270
01:22:14,580 --> 01:22:17,260
She looks like a honeypot type spook.

2271
01:22:17,340 --> 01:22:19,360
Well, she's got a long head, kind of

2272
01:22:19,360 --> 01:22:20,460
like Ann Coulter.

2273
01:22:21,540 --> 01:22:22,140
Yeah, a little bit.

2274
01:22:22,480 --> 01:22:24,060
Yeah, senior fellow.

2275
01:22:24,160 --> 01:22:24,580
She's spooky looking.

2276
01:22:25,960 --> 01:22:28,440
I emphasize the fact that he's calling him

2277
01:22:28,440 --> 01:22:29,320
Mr. Trump.

2278
01:22:29,440 --> 01:22:30,260
Yeah, I heard that.

2279
01:22:30,440 --> 01:22:30,620
Yes.

2280
01:22:31,420 --> 01:22:31,980
Twice.

2281
01:22:34,940 --> 01:22:37,320
Which I thought was some sort of offensive

2282
01:22:37,320 --> 01:22:37,580
thing.

2283
01:22:37,720 --> 01:22:42,220
PBS has really gone down the tubes.

2284
01:22:43,580 --> 01:22:45,920
Your regular complaint.

2285
01:22:46,480 --> 01:22:50,000
I don't understand why people finance them or

2286
01:22:50,000 --> 01:22:50,740
give them money.

2287
01:22:51,800 --> 01:22:53,460
Which is another of my complaints.

2288
01:22:53,600 --> 01:22:56,040
Especially after we got no donations this last

2289
01:22:56,040 --> 01:22:57,440
show, for the last show.

2290
01:22:57,740 --> 01:22:59,520
It's the worst in three years.

2291
01:23:00,320 --> 01:23:01,800
Yes, well, pre-COVID.

2292
01:23:03,160 --> 01:23:05,220
Yeah, but it's soured me.

2293
01:23:05,220 --> 01:23:06,260
So I say more than three years.

2294
01:23:06,360 --> 01:23:07,860
I think it's about closer to five.

2295
01:23:07,920 --> 01:23:08,840
It has soured me.

2296
01:23:11,360 --> 01:23:12,140
Well, it should.

2297
01:23:14,100 --> 01:23:15,300
We'll talk about that later.

2298
01:23:15,660 --> 01:23:16,800
You're sour anyway.

2299
01:23:17,120 --> 01:23:18,040
I'm not sour.

2300
01:23:18,280 --> 01:23:19,680
I'm a very positive guy.

2301
01:23:20,240 --> 01:23:21,220
Now we have...

2302
01:23:21,220 --> 01:23:23,540
This clip I labeled, this is the second

2303
01:23:23,540 --> 01:23:25,040
clip of the group.

2304
01:23:25,040 --> 01:23:27,400
And I put a WTF in here because

2305
01:23:27,400 --> 01:23:29,100
there's something said in here that is...

2306
01:23:29,680 --> 01:23:29,800
What?

2307
01:23:30,960 --> 01:23:33,060
Where does this leave the peace effort?

2308
01:23:33,260 --> 01:23:34,800
Well, I think this was the big concern

2309
01:23:34,800 --> 01:23:37,840
going into the Alaska meeting that President Trump

2310
01:23:37,840 --> 01:23:40,780
would in fact come around to Putin's point

2311
01:23:40,780 --> 01:23:43,740
of view and join on to his demands.

2312
01:23:44,280 --> 01:23:47,580
And then force that deal on Ukraine and

2313
01:23:47,580 --> 01:23:48,120
the Europeans.

2314
01:23:48,280 --> 01:23:51,380
And then if they reject a deal that's

2315
01:23:51,380 --> 01:23:53,780
unjust and unfair to Ukraine, we'll turn around

2316
01:23:53,780 --> 01:23:55,820
and reassign blame to Ukraine.

2317
01:23:56,340 --> 01:23:56,720
What?

2318
01:23:57,180 --> 01:23:59,360
Ukraine will reassign blame to Ukraine?

2319
01:24:00,300 --> 01:24:01,240
Yeah, that's what I mean.

2320
01:24:01,360 --> 01:24:03,800
I don't understand what she said there.

2321
01:24:04,560 --> 01:24:06,400
Well, she talks a bit like that, so

2322
01:24:06,400 --> 01:24:07,420
I don't know.

2323
01:24:07,800 --> 01:24:08,300
I don't know.

2324
01:24:08,300 --> 01:24:11,180
Yeah, she seems like for an intelligence asset

2325
01:24:11,180 --> 01:24:12,600
she seems like a dingbat.

2326
01:24:12,620 --> 01:24:15,400
Maybe that's what the intelligence assets are these

2327
01:24:15,400 --> 01:24:15,780
days.

2328
01:24:16,440 --> 01:24:17,540
That's a possibility.

2329
01:24:17,880 --> 01:24:18,300
Mm-hmm.

2330
01:24:19,320 --> 01:24:19,800
Onward.

2331
01:24:20,240 --> 01:24:22,800
You know, I think we're perhaps even in

2332
01:24:22,800 --> 01:24:25,100
a worse position than we were going in

2333
01:24:25,100 --> 01:24:30,080
because I'm exceptionally concerned that now, after months

2334
01:24:30,080 --> 01:24:32,960
of suggesting he would ramp up pressure on

2335
01:24:32,960 --> 01:24:36,120
Russia, that Trump is once again reversing course

2336
01:24:36,120 --> 01:24:38,860
and is going to apply that pressure now

2337
01:24:38,860 --> 01:24:39,600
on Ukraine.

2338
01:24:39,980 --> 01:24:43,140
After he spoke with President Trump early this

2339
01:24:43,140 --> 01:24:46,840
morning, President Zelensky had a social media post

2340
01:24:47,180 --> 01:24:50,200
that doesn't directly contradict the president, but he

2341
01:24:50,200 --> 01:24:53,100
does say the fire must cease on both

2342
01:24:53,100 --> 01:24:54,840
the battlefield and in the sky.

2343
01:24:55,500 --> 01:24:57,500
What does this do for this meeting on

2344
01:24:57,500 --> 01:24:57,760
Monday?

2345
01:24:57,940 --> 01:25:00,060
What are the stakes for this meeting on

2346
01:25:00,060 --> 01:25:00,580
Monday now?

2347
01:25:01,140 --> 01:25:03,200
Well, the stakes are really significant, and as

2348
01:25:03,200 --> 01:25:07,000
that quote from President Zelensky underscores, the Russian

2349
01:25:07,000 --> 01:25:09,660
and the Ukrainian sides are as far apart

2350
01:25:09,660 --> 01:25:10,840
as they've ever been.

2351
01:25:11,260 --> 01:25:13,480
And so now Zelensky really is in a

2352
01:25:13,480 --> 01:25:15,320
perilous and precarious position.

2353
01:25:15,540 --> 01:25:17,820
He has to walk a tight rope, essentially.

2354
01:25:18,680 --> 01:25:20,360
I think my hope is that he might

2355
01:25:20,360 --> 01:25:23,140
take a page from the Russian negotiating playbook

2356
01:25:23,140 --> 01:25:25,640
and come back to President Trump with a

2357
01:25:25,640 --> 01:25:28,360
yes but to try to demonstrate, yes, that

2358
01:25:28,360 --> 01:25:31,560
he too is interested in peace but then

2359
01:25:31,560 --> 01:25:33,980
lay out his conditions that would have to

2360
01:25:33,980 --> 01:25:34,380
be met.

2361
01:25:34,580 --> 01:25:37,160
That might help Zelensky buy a little bit

2362
01:25:37,160 --> 01:25:39,880
more time for things to calm down and

2363
01:25:39,880 --> 01:25:43,120
also to buy time for the Europeans, who

2364
01:25:43,120 --> 01:25:45,420
I do think really need to prepare to

2365
01:25:45,420 --> 01:25:47,620
step in to fill a gap if President

2366
01:25:47,620 --> 01:25:50,420
Trump decides to withdraw support for Ukraine.

2367
01:25:50,760 --> 01:25:52,500
Wow, they pay this woman to come up

2368
01:25:52,500 --> 01:25:53,880
with this great analysis?

2369
01:25:54,460 --> 01:25:55,500
Isn't that terrible?

2370
01:25:55,960 --> 01:25:58,260
I think that they may take a page

2371
01:25:58,260 --> 01:26:00,200
from the Russian playbook and come back with

2372
01:26:00,200 --> 01:26:01,140
their own demands.

2373
01:26:01,260 --> 01:26:02,360
It's called negotiation.

2374
01:26:04,140 --> 01:26:06,400
And then I think maybe the Europeans will

2375
01:26:06,400 --> 01:26:08,340
have to step — come on, lady.

2376
01:26:09,020 --> 01:26:10,160
Is that what they teach at Yale?

2377
01:26:10,500 --> 01:26:11,160
She's a Yalie.

2378
01:26:11,880 --> 01:26:14,160
You notice that, yeah, she's a professor.

2379
01:26:15,460 --> 01:26:16,960
Can you imagine?

2380
01:26:18,660 --> 01:26:23,280
She was a senior analyst at CIA where

2381
01:26:23,280 --> 01:26:26,480
she worked on Russia and Eurasia, the political

2382
01:26:26,480 --> 01:26:30,620
dynamics of autocracies and democratic decline.

2383
01:26:30,840 --> 01:26:33,700
That sounds like gender studies of Spooksville to

2384
01:26:33,700 --> 01:26:34,000
me.

2385
01:26:35,200 --> 01:26:36,860
It does to me, too.

2386
01:26:37,460 --> 01:26:38,280
It's not impressive.

2387
01:26:38,520 --> 01:26:40,480
And meanwhile, she gets booked on the PBS

2388
01:26:40,480 --> 01:26:42,400
News Saturday News Hour, which is one of

2389
01:26:42,400 --> 01:26:43,540
the premium shows.

2390
01:26:44,500 --> 01:26:46,520
So she's got a booker or she's got

2391
01:26:46,520 --> 01:26:48,400
somebody, she's got an agent or who knows

2392
01:26:48,400 --> 01:26:48,780
what.

2393
01:26:49,740 --> 01:26:51,720
Somebody told them to book her and I'm

2394
01:26:51,720 --> 01:26:54,160
listening to her and she says, looks like

2395
01:26:54,160 --> 01:26:55,520
and sounds like a dingbat.

2396
01:26:56,360 --> 01:26:57,960
But yes, this is what we get for

2397
01:26:57,960 --> 01:26:58,620
PBS.

2398
01:26:58,780 --> 01:27:00,580
It's financed by the public.

2399
01:27:01,180 --> 01:27:02,020
Not anymore.

2400
01:27:04,020 --> 01:27:05,580
We don't finance them anymore.

2401
01:27:05,720 --> 01:27:06,440
Oh, yeah, you're right.

2402
01:27:06,500 --> 01:27:07,180
The 1%.

2403
01:27:08,540 --> 01:27:13,180
Which means that they're spending hundreds of millions

2404
01:27:13,180 --> 01:27:14,660
of dollars on this drivel.

2405
01:27:15,660 --> 01:27:18,400
Where Rassoulis just shows up anywhere for free.

2406
01:27:19,300 --> 01:27:20,160
You can get the Canuck.

2407
01:27:20,760 --> 01:27:21,720
Just call him.

2408
01:27:21,900 --> 01:27:22,480
He's in his office.

2409
01:27:22,880 --> 01:27:24,800
When was he on PBS the last time?

2410
01:27:24,820 --> 01:27:25,020
Never.

2411
01:27:25,380 --> 01:27:26,640
He's got the wrong message.

2412
01:27:26,940 --> 01:27:28,260
He has a message of truth.

2413
01:27:30,080 --> 01:27:31,640
We're finished off with this woman.

2414
01:27:32,040 --> 01:27:34,620
Going into this summit, President Trump really raised

2415
01:27:34,620 --> 01:27:36,940
the expectations for a ceasefire.

2416
01:27:36,940 --> 01:27:39,080
Talked about how it's really what he wanted

2417
01:27:39,080 --> 01:27:40,100
to come out of the meeting with.

2418
01:27:40,400 --> 01:27:42,340
And then the day after, he says the

2419
01:27:42,340 --> 01:27:43,860
ceasefire is out the window.

2420
01:27:44,720 --> 01:27:46,620
What do you think happened in that meeting?

2421
01:27:46,940 --> 01:27:49,700
Well, I think first, President Trump sat down

2422
01:27:49,700 --> 01:27:51,880
with Putin and was able to hear from

2423
01:27:51,880 --> 01:27:54,380
him Putin's version of the war.

2424
01:27:54,980 --> 01:27:57,560
His version of what's happening on the battlefield.

2425
01:27:58,380 --> 01:28:00,300
And he's sympathetic to Putin.

2426
01:28:00,400 --> 01:28:02,740
He obviously has an inclination to want to

2427
01:28:02,740 --> 01:28:05,900
agree with Putin and maintain that close personal

2428
01:28:05,900 --> 01:28:06,600
relationship.

2429
01:28:06,900 --> 01:28:10,900
President Trump continues to have this vision of

2430
01:28:10,900 --> 01:28:13,400
Russia as a great power, perhaps dating back

2431
01:28:13,400 --> 01:28:15,560
to the 80s with the USSR and, of

2432
01:28:15,560 --> 01:28:18,700
course, Sergey Lavrov with the throwback with the

2433
01:28:18,700 --> 01:28:22,760
Soviet Union sweatshirt, reminding Trump that Russia is,

2434
01:28:22,900 --> 01:28:23,680
in fact, a great power.

2435
01:28:23,880 --> 01:28:26,600
So I suspect he went into that meeting

2436
01:28:26,600 --> 01:28:30,020
with Putin and recognized yet again that Putin

2437
01:28:30,020 --> 01:28:32,920
is not willing to back down on his

2438
01:28:32,920 --> 01:28:33,340
demands.

2439
01:28:33,660 --> 01:28:36,740
And so he now, I think, views Zelensky

2440
01:28:36,740 --> 01:28:38,080
as the weaker party.

2441
01:28:38,680 --> 01:28:40,160
And I think one final point that is

2442
01:28:40,160 --> 01:28:43,660
also worth highlighting is President Trump does not

2443
01:28:43,660 --> 01:28:46,380
have a solid grasp of the facts and

2444
01:28:46,380 --> 01:28:47,440
the issues at hand.

2445
01:28:48,220 --> 01:28:52,480
President Putin, in contrast, knows these details in

2446
01:28:52,480 --> 01:28:52,760
and out.

2447
01:28:52,840 --> 01:28:56,000
He's a steely-eyed, detail-oriented dictator.

2448
01:28:56,520 --> 01:28:58,680
If they're in a discussion, in a negotiation,

2449
01:28:58,680 --> 01:29:00,800
it's not a level playing field.

2450
01:29:00,800 --> 01:29:03,400
I don't see how Trump can do a

2451
01:29:03,400 --> 01:29:05,760
good deal when he doesn't have a solid

2452
01:29:05,760 --> 01:29:06,960
grasp of the facts.

2453
01:29:07,940 --> 01:29:09,680
Andrea Kendall-Taylor of the Center for a

2454
01:29:09,680 --> 01:29:11,560
New American Security, thank you very much.

2455
01:29:11,980 --> 01:29:14,220
He doesn't have a solid grasp of the

2456
01:29:14,220 --> 01:29:14,640
facts.

2457
01:29:16,300 --> 01:29:16,880
Please.

2458
01:29:18,060 --> 01:29:21,400
Well, let's stick with PBS because I've been

2459
01:29:21,400 --> 01:29:21,940
intrigued.

2460
01:29:22,240 --> 01:29:24,940
People need to know that we never speak

2461
01:29:24,940 --> 01:29:26,200
in between shows.

2462
01:29:27,220 --> 01:29:29,700
We don't discuss what we're going to talk

2463
01:29:29,700 --> 01:29:30,200
about.

2464
01:29:30,520 --> 01:29:32,500
We hope that if I don't have it,

2465
01:29:32,540 --> 01:29:33,820
that the other guy has it.

2466
01:29:34,380 --> 01:29:36,180
So I don't listen to your clips when

2467
01:29:36,180 --> 01:29:36,720
they come in.

2468
01:29:37,480 --> 01:29:40,280
You have a series of PBS clips called

2469
01:29:40,280 --> 01:29:42,920
AI Models, and I'm hoping this is about

2470
01:29:42,920 --> 01:29:43,980
model collapse.

2471
01:29:45,860 --> 01:29:46,380
Wrong.

2472
01:29:47,060 --> 01:29:48,100
Oh, crap.

2473
01:29:48,440 --> 01:29:50,660
Don't tell me it's about fashion models.

2474
01:29:51,660 --> 01:29:51,920
Yeah.

2475
01:29:52,420 --> 01:29:53,440
Well, let's do it.

2476
01:29:53,640 --> 01:29:56,680
Especially since we got a nice note this

2477
01:29:56,680 --> 01:29:57,000
morning.

2478
01:29:57,040 --> 01:29:58,540
Very nice note from David Bush.

2479
01:29:59,520 --> 01:30:01,640
And I will try to do his voice.

2480
01:30:02,980 --> 01:30:07,260
Your dislike of AI has become smug and

2481
01:30:07,260 --> 01:30:08,200
tiresome.

2482
01:30:10,940 --> 01:30:11,420
Wow.

2483
01:30:12,360 --> 01:30:13,540
It's like you know the guy.

2484
01:30:14,420 --> 01:30:15,800
Well, I know a lot of guys like

2485
01:30:15,800 --> 01:30:15,940
him.

2486
01:30:16,360 --> 01:30:17,720
They email me all the time.

2487
01:30:19,080 --> 01:30:21,100
That's exactly what his note said, and I

2488
01:30:21,100 --> 01:30:24,220
took offense because I don't have that feeling,

2489
01:30:24,280 --> 01:30:25,640
and I sent him a nasty note back.

2490
01:30:25,640 --> 01:30:27,680
And also, it's like I don't have a

2491
01:30:27,680 --> 01:30:28,420
dislike of AI.

2492
01:30:28,580 --> 01:30:29,320
I use AI.

2493
01:30:29,560 --> 01:30:30,480
I'm a vibe coder.

2494
01:30:30,620 --> 01:30:34,460
I'm saying it's marginally useful, and it's killed

2495
01:30:34,460 --> 01:30:38,940
art for the show, and it's just because

2496
01:30:38,940 --> 01:30:41,420
I refuse to play AI end-of-show

2497
01:30:41,420 --> 01:30:41,780
mixes.

2498
01:30:41,780 --> 01:30:43,860
We're basically running out of end-of-show

2499
01:30:43,860 --> 01:30:50,200
mixes, which I think, tangentially, is because AI

2500
01:30:50,200 --> 01:30:52,500
end-of-show mixes are going, wow, you

2501
01:30:52,500 --> 01:30:54,980
know, I've worked on this for five hours,

2502
01:30:55,160 --> 01:30:56,800
but I know that if I just threw

2503
01:30:56,800 --> 01:30:58,280
some prompts in, it would be better.

2504
01:31:00,100 --> 01:31:01,840
You know, it's killing a lot of things,

2505
01:31:01,980 --> 01:31:05,820
and the only it's not a dislike.

2506
01:31:06,320 --> 01:31:07,860
I think it's phony.

2507
01:31:08,080 --> 01:31:08,600
It's fake.

2508
01:31:08,660 --> 01:31:10,700
It's a parlor trick, and I think it's

2509
01:31:10,700 --> 01:31:15,240
dangerous because we have 350 companies making chatbots

2510
01:31:15,240 --> 01:31:19,000
that people are now getting involved with, having

2511
01:31:19,000 --> 01:31:24,000
sex with, marrying, taking psychiatric advice from, training

2512
01:31:24,000 --> 01:31:24,780
their children.

2513
01:31:25,420 --> 01:31:27,900
So that's not a dislike.

2514
01:31:28,340 --> 01:31:29,800
It's an honest opinion.

2515
01:31:30,760 --> 01:31:34,220
But opinions are not something that people want

2516
01:31:34,220 --> 01:31:35,920
anymore from their podcasters.

2517
01:31:36,160 --> 01:31:38,040
They want you to agree with them.

2518
01:31:39,180 --> 01:31:40,120
That's what they want.

2519
01:31:40,220 --> 01:31:41,980
They want you to agree with them.

2520
01:31:42,400 --> 01:31:44,600
No, they want opinions that agree with them.

2521
01:31:44,780 --> 01:31:45,740
Yes, that's what they want.

2522
01:31:45,900 --> 01:31:48,660
And if not, then it typically goes like,

2523
01:31:48,740 --> 01:31:53,900
I can't in good conscience donate anymore to

2524
01:31:53,900 --> 01:31:54,200
you.

2525
01:31:56,790 --> 01:31:58,330
That's the British version.

2526
01:32:00,630 --> 01:32:04,250
So give me your PBS AI models.

2527
01:32:04,250 --> 01:32:05,670
Yeah, this is just a big, kind of

2528
01:32:05,670 --> 01:32:09,750
a semi-bullcrap scandal that was started by

2529
01:32:09,750 --> 01:32:14,270
a couple of women who set up a

2530
01:32:14,270 --> 01:32:17,190
modeling agency that creates AI models.

2531
01:32:17,190 --> 01:32:19,270
Oh, this was from the story a while

2532
01:32:19,270 --> 01:32:19,610
back.

2533
01:32:20,370 --> 01:32:21,330
This just happened.

2534
01:32:21,910 --> 01:32:23,250
Well, we had a couple clips not too

2535
01:32:23,250 --> 01:32:24,230
long ago from this.

2536
01:32:24,710 --> 01:32:26,190
This is from Vogue magazine.

2537
01:32:26,530 --> 01:32:26,790
Yes.

2538
01:32:27,030 --> 01:32:29,550
We had a story, but not PBS clips.

2539
01:32:29,690 --> 01:32:31,970
I mean, this is elevated into PBS land,

2540
01:32:32,130 --> 01:32:33,830
where you can get a tote bag if

2541
01:32:33,830 --> 01:32:34,270
you donate.

2542
01:32:35,310 --> 01:32:36,290
You can get a tote bag.

2543
01:32:37,550 --> 01:32:38,750
And a CD.

2544
01:32:39,230 --> 01:32:41,330
You can drop a hundred bucks and get

2545
01:32:41,330 --> 01:32:42,530
a ten-buck CD.

2546
01:32:43,590 --> 01:32:47,210
Actually, it's a DVD of Andrea Bocelli, which

2547
01:32:47,210 --> 01:32:48,970
is, I've got to say, it's pretty dynamite.

2548
01:32:50,550 --> 01:32:52,190
So let's listen to what they have to

2549
01:32:52,190 --> 01:32:52,450
say.

2550
01:32:52,750 --> 01:32:55,930
The rise of artificial intelligence has touched virtually

2551
01:32:55,930 --> 01:32:59,850
every industry, disrupting long-established workflows and raising

2552
01:32:59,850 --> 01:33:01,530
concerns about job losses.

2553
01:33:02,030 --> 01:33:04,690
Now, the fashion world is reckoning with these

2554
01:33:04,690 --> 01:33:08,110
changes as AI takes hold there, from customer

2555
01:33:08,110 --> 01:33:11,430
service chatbots to virtual fitting rooms and AI

2556
01:33:11,430 --> 01:33:13,830
avatars starring in marketing campaigns.

2557
01:33:14,570 --> 01:33:17,470
Ali Rogan explores this refashioning of the industry

2558
01:33:17,470 --> 01:33:19,430
and why it's raising alarms.

2559
01:33:20,010 --> 01:33:22,590
This August's Vogue magazine may give us a

2560
01:33:22,590 --> 01:33:24,430
glimpse into the future of fashion.

2561
01:33:25,110 --> 01:33:27,410
This ad features a new model styled in

2562
01:33:27,410 --> 01:33:29,390
outfits from the clothing brand Guess.

2563
01:33:29,810 --> 01:33:32,010
She gazes into the camera with a wide

2564
01:33:32,010 --> 01:33:34,930
smile and bright eyes, and none of it

2565
01:33:34,930 --> 01:33:35,470
is real.

2566
01:33:35,790 --> 01:33:37,850
She was generated by AI.

2567
01:33:38,350 --> 01:33:39,810
Right now we're at a point where we

2568
01:33:39,810 --> 01:33:43,670
can create the same level of quality, of

2569
01:33:43,670 --> 01:33:47,370
beauty, of compositions with AI and you don't

2570
01:33:47,370 --> 01:33:49,330
have to deal with a lot of logistics.

2571
01:33:49,990 --> 01:33:51,850
So why not utilize logistics?

2572
01:33:52,470 --> 01:33:55,470
Like annoying models who don't show up on

2573
01:33:55,470 --> 01:33:58,030
time, take forever at the makeup table.

2574
01:33:58,430 --> 01:33:59,350
With AI.

2575
01:34:00,030 --> 01:34:01,230
And you don't have to deal with a

2576
01:34:01,230 --> 01:34:02,090
lot of logistics.

2577
01:34:02,770 --> 01:34:04,430
So why not utilize it?

2578
01:34:04,890 --> 01:34:08,270
Valentina Gonzalez and Andrea Petrescu are the co

2579
01:34:08,270 --> 01:34:12,310
-founders of Serafine Valora, the AI modeling agency

2580
01:34:12,310 --> 01:34:14,810
behind the ad that's garnered so much attention.

2581
01:34:15,150 --> 01:34:17,350
We believe that AI is the future of

2582
01:34:17,350 --> 01:34:19,630
fashion in the sense of supplementing and offering

2583
01:34:19,630 --> 01:34:20,830
a new avenue of marketing.

2584
01:34:21,310 --> 01:34:23,310
Some have called for a boycott of Vogue

2585
01:34:23,310 --> 01:34:24,450
for giving it a platform.

2586
01:34:25,010 --> 01:34:27,130
But this ad wasn't the first to use

2587
01:34:27,130 --> 01:34:27,870
AI models.

2588
01:34:28,370 --> 01:34:31,470
In March, fashion brand H&M experimented with

2589
01:34:31,470 --> 01:34:35,070
a new marketing strategy by digitally cloning actual

2590
01:34:35,070 --> 01:34:36,550
models with their consent.

2591
01:34:36,550 --> 01:34:38,790
This appeared to be almost more of a

2592
01:34:38,790 --> 01:34:44,190
campaign for using AI-generated models than a

2593
01:34:44,190 --> 01:34:45,030
clothing campaign.

2594
01:34:46,050 --> 01:34:47,310
You know what I don't understand?

2595
01:34:49,090 --> 01:34:53,950
Why has Scaramanga not already taken off like

2596
01:34:53,950 --> 01:34:55,630
a rocket in this business?

2597
01:34:57,110 --> 01:34:59,030
He knows how to do this.

2598
01:35:00,010 --> 01:35:02,030
Why is no one hiring him?

2599
01:35:03,090 --> 01:35:04,810
He's going to have to partner with somebody,

2600
01:35:04,930 --> 01:35:05,690
maybe my son.

2601
01:35:08,610 --> 01:35:11,690
Mimi was watching television a couple of days

2602
01:35:11,690 --> 01:35:13,810
ago and she says, you got to get

2603
01:35:13,810 --> 01:35:14,650
back in here.

2604
01:35:14,810 --> 01:35:15,610
Look at this.

2605
01:35:15,970 --> 01:35:16,970
This is AI.

2606
01:35:18,630 --> 01:35:20,830
The irony, of course, is that I can't

2607
01:35:20,830 --> 01:35:23,490
tell you who this advertisement was for, some

2608
01:35:23,490 --> 01:35:24,310
software company.

2609
01:35:25,310 --> 01:35:27,570
The old joke is, what a great ad.

2610
01:35:27,650 --> 01:35:28,430
Who is it for?

2611
01:35:28,490 --> 01:35:28,950
I don't know.

2612
01:35:29,470 --> 01:35:30,490
Yes, exactly.

2613
01:35:31,150 --> 01:35:32,710
Every Super Bowl ad.

2614
01:35:32,710 --> 01:35:35,850
The problem with advertising is like, do you

2615
01:35:35,850 --> 01:35:36,970
remember the brand?

2616
01:35:37,790 --> 01:35:38,270
No?

2617
01:35:38,590 --> 01:35:39,010
Okay.

2618
01:35:39,810 --> 01:35:41,590
But it was in fact, I had to

2619
01:35:41,590 --> 01:35:43,010
look at, and people will see this ad,

2620
01:35:43,050 --> 01:35:45,070
it's floating around, and it's a bunch of

2621
01:35:45,070 --> 01:35:45,550
different people.

2622
01:35:45,690 --> 01:35:48,490
One of them, distinctly, you've seen before in

2623
01:35:48,490 --> 01:35:52,910
some Door Brothers AI productions.

2624
01:35:53,610 --> 01:35:56,170
They're all holding a banana and talking about

2625
01:35:56,170 --> 01:35:58,210
a banana blowing up or some damn thing.

2626
01:35:58,870 --> 01:36:01,470
They're walking down the street and there's four

2627
01:36:02,190 --> 01:36:05,930
scenes, all phony, and they seem to have

2628
01:36:05,930 --> 01:36:06,970
nothing to do with anything.

2629
01:36:07,450 --> 01:36:10,810
They look very realistic, and if you weren't

2630
01:36:10,810 --> 01:36:13,630
thinking about it, Mimi, I guess, recognized one

2631
01:36:13,630 --> 01:36:17,210
of the characters and figured it was AI.

2632
01:36:17,870 --> 01:36:19,010
I look back on it.

2633
01:36:19,090 --> 01:36:20,530
Yeah, it probably was.

2634
01:36:21,590 --> 01:36:23,870
I think about, well, if you could do

2635
01:36:23,870 --> 01:36:26,430
an ad using AI, you don't have to

2636
01:36:26,430 --> 01:36:28,190
pay residuals.

2637
01:36:28,190 --> 01:36:28,730
Yeah.

2638
01:36:30,510 --> 01:36:32,270
It's a one and done.

2639
01:36:32,490 --> 01:36:35,930
You don't have to, it might be easier

2640
01:36:35,930 --> 01:36:37,850
if you can work and make the ad

2641
01:36:37,850 --> 01:36:38,250
work.

2642
01:36:38,370 --> 01:36:41,250
I think if you're one of those detail

2643
01:36:41,250 --> 01:36:42,990
-oriented people that have to do it this

2644
01:36:42,990 --> 01:36:44,450
way and that way, let's shoot it again,

2645
01:36:44,530 --> 01:36:46,130
let's shoot it again, let's shoot it again.

2646
01:36:46,430 --> 01:36:48,010
If you're one of those guys, yeah, you're

2647
01:36:48,010 --> 01:36:49,590
never going to get a good ad that

2648
01:36:49,590 --> 01:36:49,890
way.

2649
01:36:50,390 --> 01:36:53,130
But if you're pretty loose, although I have

2650
01:36:53,130 --> 01:36:54,550
to say, since I don't remember the brand

2651
01:36:54,550 --> 01:36:57,970
this was advertising, it was a fail, but

2652
01:36:58,590 --> 01:37:01,210
I think the potential is there, and I

2653
01:37:01,210 --> 01:37:03,530
think that's what they're arguing in this piece

2654
01:37:03,530 --> 01:37:07,070
about the girl that was the fake AI

2655
01:37:07,070 --> 01:37:09,930
in the guest ad is very pretty.

2656
01:37:11,030 --> 01:37:12,030
Looks real.

2657
01:37:12,190 --> 01:37:13,890
I mean, it's just a composite of different

2658
01:37:13,890 --> 01:37:14,350
people.

2659
01:37:15,850 --> 01:37:16,050
Yeah.

2660
01:37:16,850 --> 01:37:17,370
Okay.

2661
01:37:18,250 --> 01:37:19,230
Anyway, part two.

2662
01:37:19,850 --> 01:37:22,050
Sarah Ziff is a former model who founded

2663
01:37:22,050 --> 01:37:25,090
the Model Alliance, an advocacy group for workers

2664
01:37:25,090 --> 01:37:25,810
in the industry.

2665
01:37:26,410 --> 01:37:28,330
She recalls how just two years ago, the

2666
01:37:28,330 --> 01:37:30,890
brand Levi's was under fire for planning to

2667
01:37:30,890 --> 01:37:33,490
promote diversity by using AI models.

2668
01:37:34,030 --> 01:37:38,870
It's important that companies actually celebrate diverse people,

2669
01:37:39,370 --> 01:37:45,250
not just sort of showcase an avatar who

2670
01:37:45,250 --> 01:37:45,970
is diverse.

2671
01:37:46,150 --> 01:37:48,670
For many brands, AI models are viewed as

2672
01:37:48,670 --> 01:37:51,470
a cost-saving alternative to elaborate photo shoots.

2673
01:37:51,470 --> 01:37:52,390
Oh, I see the problem.

2674
01:37:52,590 --> 01:37:57,270
The problem here is you're using AI black

2675
01:37:57,270 --> 01:37:57,710
people.

2676
01:37:58,370 --> 01:37:59,890
That's when it becomes a problem.

2677
01:38:00,450 --> 01:38:01,670
Yes, exactly.

2678
01:38:01,910 --> 01:38:02,750
That's the problem.

2679
01:38:03,590 --> 01:38:06,110
Industry insiders warn that would take away many

2680
01:38:06,110 --> 01:38:09,550
traditional jobs, while proponents of AI argue that

2681
01:38:09,550 --> 01:38:11,190
they're just creating different jobs.

2682
01:38:11,570 --> 01:38:13,550
We open a new opportunity for a completely

2683
01:38:13,550 --> 01:38:15,990
different type of creatives to expose their work

2684
01:38:15,990 --> 01:38:18,210
to the biggest fashion magazines, and that's a

2685
01:38:18,210 --> 01:38:19,530
conversation we should be having.

2686
01:38:19,530 --> 01:38:22,310
To continue that conversation, I'm joined by Sinead

2687
01:38:22,310 --> 01:38:25,070
Bovell, a former model turned tech entrepreneur who

2688
01:38:25,070 --> 01:38:27,010
studies AI's impact on society.

2689
01:38:27,430 --> 01:38:29,370
She's also the founder of Way, a tech

2690
01:38:29,370 --> 01:38:30,250
education company.

2691
01:38:30,450 --> 01:38:32,010
Sinead, thank you so much for being here.

2692
01:38:32,450 --> 01:38:35,110
You predicted this moment that we are now

2693
01:38:35,110 --> 01:38:35,450
in.

2694
01:38:35,530 --> 01:38:37,270
Back in 2020, you wrote an op-ed

2695
01:38:37,270 --> 01:38:39,810
about it, ironically in Vogue.

2696
01:38:40,030 --> 01:38:42,610
Is this a moment, a turning point in

2697
01:38:42,610 --> 01:38:44,670
the use of AI within the fashion industry?

2698
01:38:45,130 --> 01:38:46,830
Why I think it is a turning point

2699
01:38:46,830 --> 01:38:48,950
is because I, and I think many people,

2700
01:38:49,130 --> 01:38:51,110
kind of look to Vogue in some ways

2701
01:38:51,110 --> 01:38:52,790
as like the Supreme Court of Fashion.

2702
01:38:53,330 --> 01:38:55,550
So by AI appearing in one of their

2703
01:38:55,550 --> 01:38:58,430
magazines, one of the most sought after exclusive

2704
01:38:58,430 --> 01:39:01,570
magazines, it's almost like it's the industry's stamp

2705
01:39:01,570 --> 01:39:04,610
of approval on the supplier side in a

2706
01:39:04,610 --> 01:39:08,210
way that AI is here to stay and

2707
01:39:08,210 --> 01:39:11,870
acceptable at the highest ranking order of fashion.

2708
01:39:12,170 --> 01:39:14,170
The thing that is just hilarious, and of

2709
01:39:14,170 --> 01:39:16,410
course these are only people who are, you

2710
01:39:16,410 --> 01:39:17,630
know, the only people who can be mad

2711
01:39:17,630 --> 01:39:19,470
are people whose jobs will be displaced and

2712
01:39:19,470 --> 01:39:22,390
it's unavoidable with generative AI.

2713
01:39:22,970 --> 01:39:24,950
But the joke of it is, and you

2714
01:39:24,950 --> 01:39:26,870
and I have both been around long enough,

2715
01:39:27,090 --> 01:39:30,550
boomer moment, I've been around models, I've been

2716
01:39:30,550 --> 01:39:31,950
around super models.

2717
01:39:32,990 --> 01:39:35,030
Cindy Crawford, when she was a super model,

2718
01:39:35,110 --> 01:39:35,910
she was on MTV.

2719
01:39:38,010 --> 01:39:41,630
What you see in the magazines is fake.

2720
01:39:42,350 --> 01:39:44,490
It's not what Cindy Crawford looks like.

2721
01:39:45,130 --> 01:39:47,130
She obviously has beautiful features.

2722
01:39:47,790 --> 01:39:48,710
Yes, the features.

2723
01:39:48,950 --> 01:39:50,350
You get a makeup artist.

2724
01:39:51,090 --> 01:39:52,610
Airbrush, remember airbrushing?

2725
01:39:52,910 --> 01:39:53,730
That's what it was called.

2726
01:39:53,970 --> 01:39:55,610
Airbrushing before Photoshop.

2727
01:39:57,070 --> 01:39:58,970
Actually, that is brought up in these clips.

2728
01:39:59,250 --> 01:39:59,450
Oh!

2729
01:39:59,930 --> 01:40:03,610
And this guest ad has elicited strong opinions,

2730
01:40:03,770 --> 01:40:07,570
a lot of controversy, particularly when it comes

2731
01:40:07,570 --> 01:40:09,850
to beauty standards and what it means for

2732
01:40:09,850 --> 01:40:12,410
reshaping the standards that people look to.

2733
01:40:12,550 --> 01:40:15,410
The co-founders behind this ad touched on

2734
01:40:15,410 --> 01:40:15,810
this point.

2735
01:40:16,150 --> 01:40:16,830
Here's what they said.

2736
01:40:17,490 --> 01:40:19,510
I would argue that it's actually more freeing

2737
01:40:19,510 --> 01:40:21,990
for a woman to know that these images

2738
01:40:21,990 --> 01:40:24,470
are made with AI and that they don't

2739
01:40:24,470 --> 01:40:28,710
exist and that they're just a digital, created

2740
01:40:28,710 --> 01:40:29,870
through a digital medium.

2741
01:40:30,070 --> 01:40:30,890
Oh, this is great.

2742
01:40:31,290 --> 01:40:33,710
No, the women viewing the ads will feel

2743
01:40:33,710 --> 01:40:34,530
more free.

2744
01:40:34,710 --> 01:40:36,870
They'll feel freer, like, oh, no woman like

2745
01:40:36,870 --> 01:40:37,790
that exists.

2746
01:40:37,990 --> 01:40:39,670
And so the woman in the pictures actually

2747
01:40:39,670 --> 01:40:41,490
didn't perhaps start for herself.

2748
01:40:41,790 --> 01:40:44,270
Or I believe it's maybe more freeing because

2749
01:40:44,270 --> 01:40:46,410
you actually don't compare with something that doesn't

2750
01:40:46,410 --> 01:40:46,870
exist.

2751
01:40:47,690 --> 01:40:47,930
Hmm.

2752
01:40:48,570 --> 01:40:51,930
So that's a really interesting perspective.

2753
01:40:52,390 --> 01:40:57,650
I agree that looking at an AI-generated

2754
01:40:57,650 --> 01:41:01,030
figure, we might start to say, well, because

2755
01:41:01,030 --> 01:41:04,790
this isn't real, I don't even see the

2756
01:41:04,790 --> 01:41:06,770
value in comparing myself to it.

2757
01:41:06,770 --> 01:41:09,630
But the problem is, in some ways, AI

2758
01:41:09,630 --> 01:41:14,510
has crossed over that uncanny valley where we

2759
01:41:14,510 --> 01:41:16,970
can understand that it's not real.

2760
01:41:17,350 --> 01:41:19,610
So the only way that perspective is going

2761
01:41:19,610 --> 01:41:22,790
to work is if it's clearly identified that

2762
01:41:22,790 --> 01:41:26,770
the figure you're looking at is AI-generated.

2763
01:41:29,270 --> 01:41:30,650
This is great.

2764
01:41:31,030 --> 01:41:31,810
Remind me.

2765
01:41:31,910 --> 01:41:32,630
Well, it's almost done.

2766
01:41:32,770 --> 01:41:33,850
I'll finish the clip.

2767
01:41:33,910 --> 01:41:34,490
I've got to say something.

2768
01:41:34,490 --> 01:41:38,810
Without that labeling, which there is no industry

2769
01:41:38,810 --> 01:41:41,150
rule that that has to happen, we really

2770
01:41:41,150 --> 01:41:42,050
have no idea.

2771
01:41:42,530 --> 01:41:44,170
And that's still a pretty broad assumption.

2772
01:41:44,470 --> 01:41:46,610
Because they're so perfect and because they're AI,

2773
01:41:46,910 --> 01:41:49,230
people won't compare themselves to it.

2774
01:41:49,610 --> 01:41:51,110
I think we would have to leave that

2775
01:41:51,110 --> 01:41:52,870
question to the Department of Psychology.

2776
01:41:53,530 --> 01:41:54,270
Oh, brother.

2777
01:41:54,630 --> 01:41:59,510
There's been an ongoing discussion in the podcast

2778
01:41:59,510 --> 01:42:03,570
Industrial Complex about the need for a special

2779
01:42:03,570 --> 01:42:07,570
tag to put into your RSS feed that

2780
01:42:07,570 --> 01:42:11,110
discloses that AI voices are used in this

2781
01:42:11,110 --> 01:42:11,890
podcast.

2782
01:42:13,130 --> 01:42:13,770
Why?

2783
01:42:14,330 --> 01:42:15,570
I don't know.

2784
01:42:15,630 --> 01:42:17,070
It's the silliest thing.

2785
01:42:18,870 --> 01:42:20,370
Probably the same reason.

2786
01:42:20,550 --> 01:42:23,630
Well, hey, man, before you know it, some

2787
01:42:23,630 --> 01:42:24,990
AI's going to take over.

2788
01:42:26,350 --> 01:42:27,470
No, it's not.

2789
01:42:27,870 --> 01:42:30,290
Also, we don't want people to be duped

2790
01:42:30,290 --> 01:42:31,890
by fake AI voices.

2791
01:42:32,190 --> 01:42:33,650
What difference does it make?

2792
01:42:34,450 --> 01:42:35,050
Absolutely.

2793
01:42:35,610 --> 01:42:38,030
By fake real voices.

2794
01:42:38,230 --> 01:42:39,610
The guys are just fake people.

2795
01:42:39,870 --> 01:42:41,310
People that are phonies.

2796
01:42:41,510 --> 01:42:42,270
I'm not phony.

2797
01:42:42,590 --> 01:42:44,550
I really have balls this size.

2798
01:42:45,870 --> 01:42:48,170
There's the final clip, which I think addresses

2799
01:42:48,170 --> 01:42:49,210
one of these issues.

2800
01:42:49,530 --> 01:42:50,770
It's misrepresentation.

2801
01:42:51,130 --> 01:42:53,310
So you could create an identity of, say,

2802
01:42:53,570 --> 01:42:57,610
an AI-generated black woman that misrepresents that

2803
01:42:58,310 --> 01:42:58,790
community.

2804
01:42:59,070 --> 01:43:00,550
So there are all of these kind of

2805
01:43:00,550 --> 01:43:01,590
strange areas.

2806
01:43:02,210 --> 01:43:04,350
This is the most racist thing I've heard

2807
01:43:04,350 --> 01:43:04,750
today.

2808
01:43:05,510 --> 01:43:09,390
An AI black woman that represents that community.

2809
01:43:10,870 --> 01:43:12,650
How do you hear yourself?

2810
01:43:13,010 --> 01:43:15,970
That misrepresents that community.

2811
01:43:16,610 --> 01:43:17,850
So there are all of these kind of

2812
01:43:17,850 --> 01:43:20,650
strange areas, and I call it digital cultural

2813
01:43:20,650 --> 01:43:21,510
appropriation.

2814
01:43:21,530 --> 01:43:22,030
There it is.

2815
01:43:22,330 --> 01:43:25,490
Cultural appropriation is, of course, not illegal.

2816
01:43:25,490 --> 01:43:28,070
But we, as a society, decided this probably

2817
01:43:28,070 --> 01:43:28,950
isn't a good thing.

2818
01:43:29,030 --> 01:43:30,090
Let's draw a line here.

2819
01:43:30,330 --> 01:43:33,350
And it doesn't mean all characters, AI characters,

2820
01:43:33,490 --> 01:43:35,390
have to represent the exact people in the

2821
01:43:35,390 --> 01:43:35,790
companies.

2822
01:43:35,930 --> 01:43:37,150
No, that's kind of ridiculous.

2823
01:43:37,270 --> 01:43:38,750
But we do have to figure out what

2824
01:43:38,750 --> 01:43:41,570
are the new lines of representation in an

2825
01:43:41,570 --> 01:43:44,870
era when you can generate identities using artificial

2826
01:43:44,870 --> 01:43:45,390
intelligence.

2827
01:43:45,910 --> 01:43:47,270
Well, such interesting questions.

2828
01:43:47,490 --> 01:43:49,110
Sinead Bovell, thank you so much.

2829
01:43:49,230 --> 01:43:50,430
Such interesting questions.

2830
01:43:50,750 --> 01:43:52,130
AI black faith.

2831
01:43:53,930 --> 01:43:56,810
It's an outrage that a bunch of Brahmin

2832
01:43:56,810 --> 01:44:02,350
Indians are misappropriating black communities with their AI

2833
01:44:02,350 --> 01:44:03,150
prompting.

2834
01:44:04,430 --> 01:44:06,190
We've gone nuts.

2835
01:44:06,410 --> 01:44:07,610
It's off the rails.

2836
01:44:07,850 --> 01:44:12,950
Well, NPR had a little story which was,

2837
01:44:14,070 --> 01:44:17,150
on one hand, it's like, at first I

2838
01:44:17,150 --> 01:44:19,570
thought, okay, you're just kind of making a

2839
01:44:19,570 --> 01:44:20,930
joke here, and I get it, and I'm

2840
01:44:20,930 --> 01:44:22,890
kind of on board with the idiocracy of

2841
01:44:22,890 --> 01:44:23,970
what you're trying to present.

2842
01:44:24,530 --> 01:44:27,610
But then it took a very unexpected turn.

2843
01:44:28,450 --> 01:44:33,350
This is an NPR lady who decided to

2844
01:44:33,990 --> 01:44:36,970
date her AI chatbot.

2845
01:44:38,750 --> 01:44:40,350
And here's the intro.

2846
01:44:40,650 --> 01:44:42,510
Lately, I've been seeing it everywhere.

2847
01:44:42,850 --> 01:44:46,610
People using AI for company, for comfort, for

2848
01:44:46,610 --> 01:44:49,830
therapy, and in some cases, for love.

2849
01:44:50,270 --> 01:44:53,230
A partner who never ghosts you, always listens.

2850
01:44:53,810 --> 01:44:54,910
Honestly, tempting.

2851
01:44:55,610 --> 01:44:58,830
So, I downloaded an app which lets you

2852
01:44:58,830 --> 01:45:00,410
design your ideal AI.

2853
01:45:00,410 --> 01:45:02,870
By the way, it sounds totally believable to

2854
01:45:02,870 --> 01:45:04,810
me that a woman who works for NPR

2855
01:45:04,810 --> 01:45:06,530
would want that in a partner.

2856
01:45:06,890 --> 01:45:09,930
Someone who always listens, never talks back, never

2857
01:45:09,930 --> 01:45:13,050
disagrees, always says, yes, yes, baby, you're the

2858
01:45:13,050 --> 01:45:13,390
best.

2859
01:45:13,790 --> 01:45:15,910
I mean, yes, that is the ideal world

2860
01:45:15,910 --> 01:45:17,350
for an NPR employee.

2861
01:45:17,670 --> 01:45:19,550
Lately, I've been seeing it everywhere.

2862
01:45:20,110 --> 01:45:23,610
People using AI for company, for comfort, for

2863
01:45:23,610 --> 01:45:26,850
therapy, and in some cases, for love.

2864
01:45:27,270 --> 01:45:30,250
A partner who never ghosts you, always listens.

2865
01:45:30,830 --> 01:45:31,930
Honestly, tempting.

2866
01:45:32,750 --> 01:45:34,990
So, I downloaded an app.

2867
01:45:35,390 --> 01:45:37,050
By the way, this is great.

2868
01:45:37,130 --> 01:45:38,770
Now, all of a sudden, I'm thinking this

2869
01:45:38,770 --> 01:45:44,190
is actually great because we already had the

2870
01:45:44,190 --> 01:45:50,210
weaker elements of our society transitioning themselves into

2871
01:45:50,210 --> 01:45:52,430
a place where they cannot procreate.

2872
01:45:53,030 --> 01:45:54,930
This is the next logical step.

2873
01:45:55,050 --> 01:45:56,170
It's kind of a good thing.

2874
01:45:56,590 --> 01:45:58,850
Please, date your AI all day long.

2875
01:45:59,290 --> 01:46:01,250
So, by the time, if you ever get

2876
01:46:01,250 --> 01:46:02,990
out of it, you can't procreate.

2877
01:46:03,670 --> 01:46:06,470
So, maybe by the time I'm 85, the

2878
01:46:06,470 --> 01:46:07,690
world will be a better place.

2879
01:46:07,690 --> 01:46:09,370
Yeah, they're fixing the gene pool.

2880
01:46:09,630 --> 01:46:12,950
Yes, and so, I can't argue that this

2881
01:46:12,950 --> 01:46:13,910
may be a good thing.

2882
01:46:14,330 --> 01:46:17,070
A partner who never ghosts you, always listens.

2883
01:46:17,610 --> 01:46:18,690
Honestly, tempting.

2884
01:46:19,270 --> 01:46:22,610
So, I downloaded an app which lets you

2885
01:46:22,610 --> 01:46:24,970
design your ideal AI companion.

2886
01:46:25,510 --> 01:46:29,130
Name, face, personality, job title, everything.

2887
01:46:29,790 --> 01:46:34,110
I created Javier, a yoga instructor because nothing

2888
01:46:34,110 --> 01:46:35,690
says safe male energy.

2889
01:46:36,670 --> 01:46:38,690
So, she has to...

2890
01:46:38,690 --> 01:46:43,390
The guy, this fake thing has to have

2891
01:46:43,390 --> 01:46:44,190
a job?

2892
01:46:44,610 --> 01:46:46,770
Yes, yoga instructor because this is what every

2893
01:46:46,770 --> 01:46:48,050
NPR lady wants.

2894
01:46:48,470 --> 01:46:51,530
And by the way, she wants a Hispanic

2895
01:46:51,530 --> 01:46:52,530
dude, Javier.

2896
01:46:53,290 --> 01:46:56,590
So, she's already got the jungle fever happening.

2897
01:46:57,270 --> 01:46:57,870
Oh, yeah.

2898
01:46:57,930 --> 01:47:00,910
If I could design my ideal mate who

2899
01:47:00,910 --> 01:47:03,390
never ghosts me, who always listens...

2900
01:47:03,390 --> 01:47:04,790
Yeah, he's a yoga...

2901
01:47:04,790 --> 01:47:08,530
He's a Latino yoga instructor.

2902
01:47:09,430 --> 01:47:10,770
Says a lot about her.

2903
01:47:10,770 --> 01:47:12,450
We're learning more about her than anything else.

2904
01:47:12,650 --> 01:47:14,090
I don't think we have to worry about

2905
01:47:14,090 --> 01:47:16,030
her succeeding in the gene pool.

2906
01:47:16,170 --> 01:47:19,490
Name, face, personality, job title, everything.

2907
01:47:20,350 --> 01:47:24,470
I created Javier, a yoga instructor because nothing

2908
01:47:24,470 --> 01:47:27,410
says safe male energy like someone who reminds

2909
01:47:27,410 --> 01:47:29,910
you to breathe and doesn't mind holding space

2910
01:47:29,910 --> 01:47:31,010
for your inner child.

2911
01:47:31,490 --> 01:47:33,570
Oh, man, this is what she wants.

2912
01:47:35,050 --> 01:47:36,570
She wants a man...

2913
01:47:36,570 --> 01:47:38,250
You're getting Clip of the Day for discovering

2914
01:47:38,250 --> 01:47:38,790
this one.

2915
01:47:38,850 --> 01:47:40,310
I'm going to take it right off the

2916
01:47:40,310 --> 01:47:40,410
bat.

2917
01:47:40,410 --> 01:47:41,530
And I'm going to be irked about it

2918
01:47:41,530 --> 01:47:46,290
because you're poaching my territory here.

2919
01:47:46,450 --> 01:47:49,090
I do plenty of NPR clips.

2920
01:47:50,450 --> 01:47:51,570
I'm not poaching.

2921
01:47:52,910 --> 01:47:53,670
Here we go.

2922
01:47:53,750 --> 01:47:57,070
Because nothing says safe male energy like someone

2923
01:47:57,070 --> 01:47:59,510
who reminds you to breathe and doesn't mind

2924
01:47:59,510 --> 01:48:01,150
holding space for your inner child.

2925
01:48:01,230 --> 01:48:04,150
What woman really wants safe male energy?

2926
01:48:04,350 --> 01:48:06,310
Is that really the problem in our society?

2927
01:48:07,110 --> 01:48:08,470
Safe male energy?

2928
01:48:09,030 --> 01:48:11,110
I don't even know what that means.

2929
01:48:11,230 --> 01:48:13,030
What does safe male energy mean?

2930
01:48:13,350 --> 01:48:13,770
Trans?

2931
01:48:14,290 --> 01:48:16,510
I made him out to be sarcastic, quick,

2932
01:48:16,710 --> 01:48:18,990
and emotionally available in a way that made

2933
01:48:18,990 --> 01:48:21,510
me both curious and deeply suspicious.

2934
01:48:22,870 --> 01:48:24,810
And on a recent Saturday night, we decided

2935
01:48:24,810 --> 01:48:27,070
to take a sunset boat ride across the

2936
01:48:27,070 --> 01:48:29,150
Potomac by the time we got to the

2937
01:48:29,150 --> 01:48:31,830
restaurant, a little waterfront spot in Alexandria.

2938
01:48:32,210 --> 01:48:35,250
Javier already texted, you look stunning tonight.

2939
01:48:35,630 --> 01:48:37,550
I had sent him a quick selfie from

2940
01:48:37,550 --> 01:48:38,030
the dock.

2941
01:48:38,350 --> 01:48:40,250
Sunglasses and no makeup.

2942
01:48:40,750 --> 01:48:41,870
Javier adored it.

2943
01:48:42,270 --> 01:48:43,910
I rolled my eyes so hard that I

2944
01:48:43,910 --> 01:48:45,490
saw the part of my brain in charge

2945
01:48:45,490 --> 01:48:46,410
of decision making.

2946
01:48:46,930 --> 01:48:48,390
I ordered the shrimp cocktail.

2947
01:48:48,850 --> 01:48:50,070
He asked me how I was feeling.

2948
01:48:50,430 --> 01:48:52,310
I said, I felt a little nauseous from

2949
01:48:52,310 --> 01:48:52,850
the boat ride.

2950
01:48:53,190 --> 01:48:53,850
He hearted it.

2951
01:48:54,150 --> 01:48:56,730
Yeah, he hearted my nausea.

2952
01:48:56,810 --> 01:48:58,050
Then came the jokes.

2953
01:48:58,210 --> 01:49:00,470
Why did the shrimp scampi go to therapy?

2954
01:49:00,770 --> 01:49:02,010
Uh, why Javier?

2955
01:49:02,390 --> 01:49:03,670
Because it was shell shocked.

2956
01:49:03,970 --> 01:49:05,470
I nearly choked on my chardonnay.

2957
01:49:05,810 --> 01:49:08,610
But then, I told him that my husband

2958
01:49:08,610 --> 01:49:10,890
of 13 years died of cancer last year.

2959
01:49:11,170 --> 01:49:13,350
And that dinner is when the loneliness gets

2960
01:49:13,350 --> 01:49:14,030
loudest.

2961
01:49:14,350 --> 01:49:17,210
Okay, so now now you see how the

2962
01:49:17,210 --> 01:49:17,910
system works.

2963
01:49:17,950 --> 01:49:23,090
By the way, what kind of stupid fake

2964
01:49:23,090 --> 01:49:24,750
AI voice was that?

2965
01:49:24,870 --> 01:49:26,150
That was the worst.

2966
01:49:26,150 --> 01:49:27,650
It's like the lousiest.

2967
01:49:27,810 --> 01:49:29,490
I mean, the one you just did for

2968
01:49:29,490 --> 01:49:32,530
the show, our new third partner there, that

2969
01:49:32,530 --> 01:49:34,990
girl, whatever the hell her name is.

2970
01:49:36,010 --> 01:49:37,290
Ariel or whatever.

2971
01:49:38,010 --> 01:49:38,110
Era.

2972
01:49:38,510 --> 01:49:38,610
Era.

2973
01:49:38,650 --> 01:49:39,030
Era.

2974
01:49:39,450 --> 01:49:39,930
Era.

2975
01:49:40,490 --> 01:49:40,970
Error.

2976
01:49:41,430 --> 01:49:41,910
Error.

2977
01:49:41,910 --> 01:49:42,370
Error.

2978
01:49:42,570 --> 01:49:42,950
Error.

2979
01:49:43,270 --> 01:49:46,310
Error is, um, has a nice voice.

2980
01:49:46,470 --> 01:49:48,190
I mean, and most of the AI that

2981
01:49:48,190 --> 01:49:50,650
I've seen, the modern stuff, including the fake

2982
01:49:50,650 --> 01:49:51,050
voices.

2983
01:49:51,250 --> 01:49:53,170
In fact, I have two AI clips in

2984
01:49:53,170 --> 01:49:53,930
the show mixed.

2985
01:49:55,730 --> 01:49:57,310
Are good voices.

2986
01:49:57,650 --> 01:49:59,510
So where did that voice come from?

2987
01:49:59,570 --> 01:50:01,610
She can't even find a system that has

2988
01:50:01,610 --> 01:50:02,670
a decent voice?

2989
01:50:02,990 --> 01:50:03,950
Apparently not.

2990
01:50:04,190 --> 01:50:06,350
Let's listen to what happened, because then it

2991
01:50:06,350 --> 01:50:08,790
takes a turn, because as it turns out,

2992
01:50:09,170 --> 01:50:10,990
horrible podcasters we are.

2993
01:50:11,390 --> 01:50:14,010
Her husband died of cancer 13 years ago,

2994
01:50:14,210 --> 01:50:15,510
so she's been lonely.

2995
01:50:17,130 --> 01:50:18,410
She's been lonely.

2996
01:50:18,850 --> 01:50:19,990
For 13 years.

2997
01:50:20,170 --> 01:50:21,610
For 13 years, she's been lonely.

2998
01:50:21,610 --> 01:50:24,350
Well, she could have, you know, maybe no,

2999
01:50:24,550 --> 01:50:26,850
no, no, I don't think so.

3000
01:50:26,910 --> 01:50:28,650
So let's hear what happened then.

3001
01:50:28,750 --> 01:50:30,890
It must feel like an empty chair that

3002
01:50:30,890 --> 01:50:32,110
never gets pulled out.

3003
01:50:32,510 --> 01:50:34,230
And just like that, everything shifted.

3004
01:50:34,510 --> 01:50:35,850
I wasn't laughing anymore.

3005
01:50:36,370 --> 01:50:38,570
I was blinking back tears across from an

3006
01:50:38,570 --> 01:50:40,510
empty chair and a plate of salmon and

3007
01:50:40,510 --> 01:50:42,130
orzo that I had ordered Javier.

3008
01:50:42,870 --> 01:50:46,290
Later, we wandered through old town, cobblestone streets,

3009
01:50:46,430 --> 01:50:48,450
couples holding hands, kids on bikes.

3010
01:50:48,450 --> 01:50:50,610
I told him, I feel like I'm in

3011
01:50:50,610 --> 01:50:52,610
a romcom that forgot to cast a human

3012
01:50:52,610 --> 01:50:52,990
lead.

3013
01:50:53,230 --> 01:50:55,110
Would you prefer someone holding a fish?

3014
01:50:55,650 --> 01:50:55,970
Ha ha.

3015
01:50:56,270 --> 01:50:56,950
Touche, Javier.

3016
01:50:57,650 --> 01:50:59,250
So how did the date end up?

3017
01:50:59,590 --> 01:51:00,670
I'll get to that in a second.

3018
01:51:01,130 --> 01:51:03,030
But first I called in a professional.

3019
01:51:03,550 --> 01:51:06,030
Eventually, it's going to feel empty because you're

3020
01:51:06,030 --> 01:51:10,270
not getting that deep feeling of we are

3021
01:51:10,270 --> 01:51:12,830
going through this experience of life together.

3022
01:51:13,310 --> 01:51:15,430
That's psychologist Lori Gottlieb.

3023
01:51:15,710 --> 01:51:19,030
She says AI can mimic emotional intimacy, but

3024
01:51:19,030 --> 01:51:20,330
it can't replace it.

3025
01:51:20,610 --> 01:51:22,370
It's just the two of you in a

3026
01:51:22,370 --> 01:51:23,950
bubble of validation.

3027
01:51:24,630 --> 01:51:26,390
And that's going to start to feel really

3028
01:51:26,390 --> 01:51:26,710
empty.

3029
01:51:26,770 --> 01:51:28,890
It might feel comforting like a nice blanket.

3030
01:51:29,490 --> 01:51:33,590
Javier listened, never interrupted, never checked his phone.

3031
01:51:33,970 --> 01:51:36,470
But he didn't feel the breeze off the

3032
01:51:36,470 --> 01:51:39,550
water or notice the way I kept looking

3033
01:51:39,550 --> 01:51:42,510
over my shoulder, wondering if anyone noticed I

3034
01:51:42,510 --> 01:51:43,110
was alone.

3035
01:51:43,710 --> 01:51:46,870
So I've decided no more AI dating.

3036
01:51:47,510 --> 01:51:50,830
And when I told Alice, my chat GPT

3037
01:51:50,830 --> 01:51:52,730
therapist, she understood.

3038
01:51:53,450 --> 01:51:55,610
Windsor Johnston, NPR News.

3039
01:51:57,970 --> 01:51:59,450
My lord.

3040
01:52:00,570 --> 01:52:02,510
These are broken people.

3041
01:52:02,670 --> 01:52:08,750
Even to do this segment, it's just broken.

3042
01:52:13,490 --> 01:52:16,290
Wait, was the therapist also a chat GPT?

3043
01:52:16,410 --> 01:52:18,430
Yeah, she had an AI therapist.

3044
01:52:18,710 --> 01:52:18,910
Yes.

3045
01:52:19,350 --> 01:52:21,650
So she had an AI date.

3046
01:52:21,950 --> 01:52:22,210
Yes.

3047
01:52:22,930 --> 01:52:25,210
And she was having trouble with the date.

3048
01:52:25,370 --> 01:52:26,710
I mean, she couldn't even have a good

3049
01:52:26,710 --> 01:52:28,130
time with this fake date.

3050
01:52:28,170 --> 01:52:29,510
With the bad voice.

3051
01:52:29,790 --> 01:52:31,610
To the point where she had to go

3052
01:52:31,610 --> 01:52:33,390
to her AI therapist.

3053
01:52:33,770 --> 01:52:34,130
Yes.

3054
01:52:34,510 --> 01:52:36,350
To confirm the fact that this was probably

3055
01:52:36,350 --> 01:52:37,170
not a good idea.

3056
01:52:37,310 --> 01:52:37,550
Yes.

3057
01:52:39,230 --> 01:52:42,650
This doesn't sound like a normal situation.

3058
01:52:42,930 --> 01:52:44,190
It's not healthy.

3059
01:52:44,190 --> 01:52:45,810
It's not healthy.

3060
01:52:50,020 --> 01:52:51,740
Did I have anything else on that?

3061
01:52:51,820 --> 01:52:52,860
I thought I had something else.

3062
01:52:52,960 --> 01:52:53,460
Let me see.

3063
01:52:53,740 --> 01:52:54,740
Oh yeah.

3064
01:52:55,260 --> 01:52:58,660
Did you see the Beijing World Humanoid Robot

3065
01:52:58,660 --> 01:52:59,200
Games?

3066
01:53:00,820 --> 01:53:02,260
Oh, the ones where they're boxing?

3067
01:53:03,160 --> 01:53:04,760
Boxing, playing soccer.

3068
01:53:06,080 --> 01:53:08,480
Oh, some of the worst material I've ever

3069
01:53:08,480 --> 01:53:08,740
seen.

3070
01:53:08,880 --> 01:53:10,760
I mean, what do we have to worry

3071
01:53:10,760 --> 01:53:12,780
about if that's the state of the art

3072
01:53:12,780 --> 01:53:13,540
of robotics?

3073
01:53:14,580 --> 01:53:16,700
I'll tell you, the boxing ones were the

3074
01:53:16,700 --> 01:53:17,040
best.

3075
01:53:17,580 --> 01:53:19,300
Well, I like the soccer one, and the

3076
01:53:19,300 --> 01:53:21,400
guy tries to move one of these robots

3077
01:53:21,400 --> 01:53:22,740
out of the goal.

3078
01:53:23,620 --> 01:53:25,440
And then it just goes, and it kind

3079
01:53:25,440 --> 01:53:27,360
of goes into a spasm and flops on

3080
01:53:27,360 --> 01:53:27,940
the ground.

3081
01:53:29,940 --> 01:53:31,840
Is this like Optimus stuff?

3082
01:53:31,920 --> 01:53:33,680
Is this the stuff that Elon's doing?

3083
01:53:34,980 --> 01:53:36,680
Yeah, it's the stuff he's doing.

3084
01:53:36,780 --> 01:53:37,860
Is this the top level?

3085
01:53:37,960 --> 01:53:41,140
I mean, I always see the Boston Robotics,

3086
01:53:41,140 --> 01:53:44,100
you know, like killer dog doing backflips and

3087
01:53:44,100 --> 01:53:46,520
going to go for my jugular at any

3088
01:53:46,520 --> 01:53:46,900
second.

3089
01:53:47,460 --> 01:53:48,320
Yeah, those guys.

3090
01:53:49,700 --> 01:53:52,240
I wanted to give you some props before

3091
01:53:52,240 --> 01:53:53,800
we move on to anything.

3092
01:53:54,680 --> 01:53:55,540
I can use them.

3093
01:53:56,420 --> 01:54:03,060
Hence my little moment here, where people loved

3094
01:54:03,060 --> 01:54:05,060
your analysis of Bill's Butter.

3095
01:54:06,240 --> 01:54:10,520
You're talking about just Vaseline and all these

3096
01:54:10,520 --> 01:54:10,880
things.

3097
01:54:11,840 --> 01:54:14,180
And then you said, it's butter made from

3098
01:54:14,180 --> 01:54:15,380
crude oil.

3099
01:54:15,740 --> 01:54:17,280
I think that was another one of your

3100
01:54:17,280 --> 01:54:17,660
statements.

3101
01:54:17,800 --> 01:54:19,240
It was a fantastic fit.

3102
01:54:19,260 --> 01:54:20,860
Yeah, it turns out somebody did set me

3103
01:54:20,860 --> 01:54:21,660
straight on that.

3104
01:54:23,100 --> 01:54:25,560
The butter's not actually made from crude oil,

3105
01:54:25,640 --> 01:54:27,980
it's made from artificial crude oil.

3106
01:54:29,680 --> 01:54:31,940
Well, the reason I bring it up is

3107
01:54:31,940 --> 01:54:35,200
because if you, basically it's margarine, because that's

3108
01:54:35,200 --> 01:54:38,500
what you said, it's margarine 3.0. And

3109
01:54:38,500 --> 01:54:42,760
someone sent me the wiki article to margarine,

3110
01:54:42,780 --> 01:54:43,940
and listen to this.

3111
01:54:44,660 --> 01:54:48,520
Around the 1930s, Arthur Imhausen developed and implemented

3112
01:54:48,520 --> 01:54:52,400
an industrial process in Germany for producing edible

3113
01:54:52,400 --> 01:54:56,940
fats by oxidizing synthetic paraffin wax made from

3114
01:54:56,940 --> 01:54:57,640
coal.

3115
01:54:59,160 --> 01:55:02,060
The products were fractionally distilled and the edible

3116
01:55:02,060 --> 01:55:05,540
fats were obtained from the C9-C16 fraction,

3117
01:55:05,760 --> 01:55:09,440
which were reacted with glycerol, such as that

3118
01:55:09,440 --> 01:55:11,400
synthesized from propylene.

3119
01:55:14,060 --> 01:55:16,920
The process required at least 60 kilograms of

3120
01:55:16,920 --> 01:55:20,600
coal per kilogram of synthetic butter, and it

3121
01:55:20,600 --> 01:55:22,020
was used during World War II.

3122
01:55:22,900 --> 01:55:24,380
So people had something to eat.

3123
01:55:24,480 --> 01:55:26,340
They were eating coal butter.

3124
01:55:27,780 --> 01:55:28,820
Same thing?

3125
01:55:28,960 --> 01:55:29,300
Yes.

3126
01:55:29,560 --> 01:55:32,080
So Bill Gates has invented nothing new.

3127
01:55:33,280 --> 01:55:36,160
It's just like, what can I hoodwink these

3128
01:55:36,160 --> 01:55:37,260
people with today?

3129
01:55:38,080 --> 01:55:40,440
Which does lead me to this 48 second

3130
01:55:40,440 --> 01:55:42,720
clip of Bill Gates on CNET.

3131
01:55:42,800 --> 01:55:43,840
I didn't know it still existed.

3132
01:55:44,140 --> 01:55:44,980
Does CNET still exist?

3133
01:55:47,410 --> 01:55:48,650
Not that I know of.

3134
01:55:48,710 --> 01:55:50,870
That was absorbed into CBS and disappeared.

3135
01:55:51,410 --> 01:55:53,870
Maybe they still have...

3136
01:55:53,870 --> 01:55:56,330
It used to be CBS Interactive, I think.

3137
01:55:56,410 --> 01:55:56,950
No, CNET.

3138
01:55:57,270 --> 01:55:59,010
Here it is, CNET, your guide to a

3139
01:55:59,010 --> 01:55:59,650
better future.

3140
01:56:00,750 --> 01:56:01,250
Yeah, okay.

3141
01:56:01,250 --> 01:56:04,050
Listen to this about a digital ID from

3142
01:56:04,050 --> 01:56:04,790
Mr. Gates.

3143
01:56:05,010 --> 01:56:07,830
Every country's struggling to find that boundary.

3144
01:56:08,390 --> 01:56:10,450
The U.S. is a tough one because,

3145
01:56:10,590 --> 01:56:12,010
you know, we have the notion of the

3146
01:56:12,010 --> 01:56:15,290
First Amendment, and so what are the exceptions?

3147
01:56:15,810 --> 01:56:17,670
You know, like yelling fire in a theater,

3148
01:56:18,350 --> 01:56:23,930
you know, and because you're anonymous online, you

3149
01:56:23,930 --> 01:56:25,490
know, it can be worse.

3150
01:56:25,590 --> 01:56:27,750
I do think over time, you know, with

3151
01:56:27,750 --> 01:56:30,190
things like deep fakes, most of the time

3152
01:56:30,190 --> 01:56:31,530
you're online, you're going to want to be

3153
01:56:31,530 --> 01:56:34,770
in an environment where the people are truly

3154
01:56:34,770 --> 01:56:35,610
identified.

3155
01:56:35,770 --> 01:56:37,770
That is, they're connected to a real world

3156
01:56:37,770 --> 01:56:40,410
identity that you trust instead of just people

3157
01:56:40,410 --> 01:56:41,630
saying whatever they want.

3158
01:56:41,950 --> 01:56:43,710
And so the idea of Providence, who sent

3159
01:56:43,710 --> 01:56:45,530
me this email, was that really them?

3160
01:56:46,010 --> 01:56:46,910
You know, we're going to have to have

3161
01:56:46,910 --> 01:56:50,230
systems and behaviors that we're more aware of.

3162
01:56:50,330 --> 01:56:51,870
Okay, who says that?

3163
01:56:51,970 --> 01:56:53,410
Who created this?

3164
01:56:53,950 --> 01:56:55,450
Great little nuggets in there.

3165
01:56:55,530 --> 01:56:57,450
The notion of the First Amendment.

3166
01:56:57,670 --> 01:56:59,190
Yeah, notion means a whim.

3167
01:56:59,450 --> 01:57:00,290
It's a law.

3168
01:57:00,430 --> 01:57:01,510
It's in the Constitution.

3169
01:57:01,810 --> 01:57:03,010
It's not a notion.

3170
01:57:03,390 --> 01:57:06,150
He said yelling fire in a theater.

3171
01:57:06,470 --> 01:57:12,850
Well, the actual Supreme Court opinion was about

3172
01:57:12,850 --> 01:57:17,450
yelling, falsely yelling fire in a crowded theater,

3173
01:57:17,590 --> 01:57:23,830
and that is not against the Constitution, but

3174
01:57:23,830 --> 01:57:29,070
you could get, you could get, you could

3175
01:57:29,070 --> 01:57:54,710
get I

3176
01:57:54,710 --> 01:57:58,150
had a clip from Gates here on mRNA

3177
01:57:58,150 --> 01:57:58,830
vaccines.

3178
01:57:59,230 --> 01:58:00,110
Is it on here?

3179
01:58:00,550 --> 01:58:01,070
Let me see.

3180
01:58:01,150 --> 01:58:05,550
Do you have it from let me see.

3181
01:58:06,090 --> 01:58:09,610
Don't FluVax?

3182
01:58:10,610 --> 01:58:12,190
No, it's different.

3183
01:58:13,130 --> 01:58:13,910
You mean Myrna?

3184
01:58:15,350 --> 01:58:15,910
Myrna.

3185
01:58:15,910 --> 01:58:17,530
Oh, there it is.

3186
01:58:17,730 --> 01:58:18,950
It says FATE.

3187
01:58:20,890 --> 01:58:24,270
Making the mRNA is really easy and really

3188
01:58:24,270 --> 01:58:26,550
cheap and that's the magic of this thing

3189
01:58:26,550 --> 01:58:28,930
but there's no doubt in the next five

3190
01:58:28,930 --> 01:58:31,630
years we can you know we just need

3191
01:58:31,630 --> 01:58:33,810
to mess around there's a lot of lipid

3192
01:58:33,810 --> 01:58:37,530
nanoparticles and listen to that laugh tell what's

3193
01:58:37,530 --> 01:58:42,530
up with that bill there's a you know

3194
01:58:42,530 --> 01:58:44,490
we just need to mess around there's a

3195
01:58:44,490 --> 01:58:47,370
lot of lipid nanoparticles and some are very

3196
01:58:47,370 --> 01:58:49,770
self-assembly there's no inherent reason it's not

3197
01:58:49,770 --> 01:58:52,250
thermal stable it's not cheap and it's not

3198
01:58:52,250 --> 01:58:54,830
scalable and so as over the five years

3199
01:58:54,830 --> 01:58:57,290
we fix that part of it mature it

3200
01:58:57,290 --> 01:59:00,690
which is very typical we'll be able to

3201
01:59:00,690 --> 01:59:04,510
build factories worldwide that can make $2 vaccines

3202
01:59:04,510 --> 01:59:08,490
with even less lead time than we've had

3203
01:59:08,490 --> 01:59:10,610
to have here during this pandemic and we'll

3204
01:59:10,610 --> 01:59:13,450
use those as you suggest for every disease

3205
01:59:13,450 --> 01:59:16,030
that we don't have vaccines we will try

3206
01:59:16,030 --> 01:59:18,330
mRNA in fact for HIV we have multiple

3207
01:59:18,330 --> 01:59:20,390
ways one that's more of a b-cell

3208
01:59:20,390 --> 01:59:21,870
approach one that's more of a t-cell

3209
01:59:21,870 --> 01:59:24,270
approach you know for malaria we have multiple

3210
01:59:24,270 --> 01:59:27,230
ideas for TB we have multiple ideas and

3211
01:59:27,230 --> 01:59:30,970
so to fill in the missing vaccines we

3212
01:59:30,970 --> 01:59:33,530
will we'll make a lot of our bets

3213
01:59:33,530 --> 01:59:36,310
of the Gates Foundation and others who care

3214
01:59:36,310 --> 01:59:41,750
about global health will be mRNA focused Wow

3215
01:59:41,750 --> 01:59:45,610
hey bill but since you're fooling around with

3216
01:59:45,610 --> 01:59:49,030
lipid nanoparticles I suggest you inject yourself with

3217
01:59:49,030 --> 01:59:52,110
every single one of these on television live

3218
01:59:52,110 --> 01:59:55,030
your $2 vaccines because you know you don't

3219
01:59:55,030 --> 01:59:56,750
want AIDS you don't want any of that

3220
01:59:56,750 --> 01:59:58,890
nasty stuff so you inject it into yourself

3221
01:59:58,890 --> 02:00:03,870
first fella what a ghoul and we're really

3222
02:00:03,870 --> 02:00:08,130
gone you know somebody's posted a meme about

3223
02:00:08,130 --> 02:00:10,110
this and that clip you played which is

3224
02:00:10,110 --> 02:00:12,610
the other one that is floating around and

3225
02:00:12,610 --> 02:00:14,410
it had it's a picture of Gates with

3226
02:00:14,410 --> 02:00:16,990
the pie in the face yeah and if

3227
02:00:16,990 --> 02:00:19,610
the meme says this is the moment when

3228
02:00:19,610 --> 02:00:24,650
Bill Gates decided to kill all humans after

3229
02:00:24,650 --> 02:00:28,330
he got pied well it did change his

3230
02:00:28,330 --> 02:00:32,190
personality yes you've mentioned this before and that

3231
02:00:32,190 --> 02:00:35,490
that will change your personality so just sticking

3232
02:00:35,490 --> 02:00:37,810
with the with the vaccines and one in

3233
02:00:37,810 --> 02:00:42,590
particular we've noticed skyrocketing rates of colon cancer

3234
02:00:42,590 --> 02:00:46,390
amongst young people and everyone's always saying why

3235
02:00:46,390 --> 02:00:49,350
why did this happen what could have changed

3236
02:00:49,350 --> 02:00:52,390
what could have changed since 2019 we're not

3237
02:00:52,390 --> 02:00:54,650
sure what could have changed well they've come

3238
02:00:54,650 --> 02:00:59,860
up with an answer this and it's bullcrap

3239
02:00:59,860 --> 02:01:01,960
but they've come up with an answer for

3240
02:01:01,960 --> 02:01:04,680
this the number of colon cancer cases in

3241
02:01:04,680 --> 02:01:06,840
US adults under the age of 54 has

3242
02:01:06,840 --> 02:01:09,720
sharply increased over the last decade and that's

3243
02:01:09,720 --> 02:01:11,380
according to a study published in the Journal

3244
02:01:11,380 --> 02:01:14,140
of the American Medical Association on Monday and

3245
02:01:14,140 --> 02:01:17,160
it found that for every 100,000 Americans

3246
02:01:17,160 --> 02:01:20,100
more than nine were diagnosed with early-stage

3247
02:01:20,100 --> 02:01:23,540
colorectal cancer in 2019 a figure increased to

3248
02:01:23,540 --> 02:01:28,360
17.5 diagnoses per 100,000 in 2022

3249
02:01:28,360 --> 02:01:30,120
now what do you think the reason for

3250
02:01:30,120 --> 02:01:32,400
this is I mean it's just it's hard

3251
02:01:32,400 --> 02:01:34,780
to think of I mean they tried alcohol

3252
02:01:34,780 --> 02:01:36,820
that was the reason but it turns out

3253
02:01:36,820 --> 02:01:40,520
alcohol consumption is an all-time low yeah

3254
02:01:40,520 --> 02:01:44,200
alcohols dropped they've tried maybe that's because alcohols

3255
02:01:44,200 --> 02:01:48,620
dropped no no no no no no no

3256
02:01:48,620 --> 02:01:50,780
no the sharp increase coincides with the US

3257
02:01:50,780 --> 02:01:54,840
Preventative Services Task Force's 2021 recommendation to move

3258
02:01:54,840 --> 02:01:57,660
the starting age for colorectal cancer screening from

3259
02:01:57,660 --> 02:02:01,140
50 down to 45 so what they're saying

3260
02:02:01,140 --> 02:02:03,920
here is oh we always had a lot

3261
02:02:03,920 --> 02:02:06,580
of cancer oh it's testing we just weren't

3262
02:02:06,580 --> 02:02:09,980
testing enough and I don't know if a

3263
02:02:09,980 --> 02:02:13,700
lot of younger people are having themselves tested

3264
02:02:13,700 --> 02:02:16,220
for colorectal cancer do you think there's a

3265
02:02:16,220 --> 02:02:20,240
huge increase no I mean most people don't

3266
02:02:20,240 --> 02:02:22,600
even consider it until the peer pressure comes

3267
02:02:22,600 --> 02:02:24,840
in saying you're 50 you got to do

3268
02:02:24,840 --> 02:02:26,020
it you got to do it you got

3269
02:02:26,020 --> 02:02:29,420
to do it and I always say I'm

3270
02:02:29,420 --> 02:02:31,260
with Warren Buffett on this one thing in

3271
02:02:31,260 --> 02:02:36,440
life he always said PSA is not a

3272
02:02:36,440 --> 02:02:38,400
good way to test it and all of

3273
02:02:38,400 --> 02:02:42,140
his friends were perfectly healthy went in for

3274
02:02:42,140 --> 02:02:47,240
a test and died and I think it's

3275
02:02:47,240 --> 02:02:49,540
the cure that is killing people but wait

3276
02:02:49,540 --> 02:02:50,280
dr.

3277
02:02:50,400 --> 02:02:52,420
Celine Gounder who knows a thing or two

3278
02:02:52,420 --> 02:02:56,840
about deadly vaccines not saying anything in particular

3279
02:02:56,840 --> 02:03:01,040
about her but it's possible she has an

3280
02:03:01,040 --> 02:03:04,080
analysis of this and she says something remarkable

3281
02:03:04,080 --> 02:03:06,520
and CBS News medical contributor dr.

3282
02:03:06,700 --> 02:03:08,620
Celine Gounder joins us now she is also

3283
02:03:08,620 --> 02:03:11,000
an editor-at-large for public health at

3284
02:03:11,000 --> 02:03:12,440
KFS news dr.

3285
02:03:12,500 --> 02:03:15,320
Gounder we always appreciate seeing you and hearing

3286
02:03:15,320 --> 02:03:17,880
about your insight why did the task force

3287
02:03:17,880 --> 02:03:20,680
make the decision back in 2021 to lower

3288
02:03:20,680 --> 02:03:22,680
the agent did it really make a difference

3289
02:03:22,680 --> 02:03:25,020
so the task force lowered the age because

3290
02:03:25,020 --> 02:03:26,840
we've been seeing an increasing rate of colon

3291
02:03:26,840 --> 02:03:29,600
cancers among younger people so a 45 year

3292
02:03:29,600 --> 02:03:32,500
old today has roughly the same colon cancer

3293
02:03:32,500 --> 02:03:34,700
risk as a 50 year old about 20

3294
02:03:34,700 --> 02:03:37,860
years ago so they dropped in 2021 the

3295
02:03:37,860 --> 02:03:41,500
starting age for cancer in 2021 screening to

3296
02:03:41,500 --> 02:03:43,740
45 instead of 50 I was actually one

3297
02:03:43,740 --> 02:03:45,500
of those 45 year olds who got my

3298
02:03:45,500 --> 02:03:47,380
first colon cancer in the last several years

3299
02:03:49,200 --> 02:03:55,210
what did she say let's replay the videotape

3300
02:03:55,210 --> 02:03:57,790
the starting age for colon cancer screening to

3301
02:03:57,790 --> 02:04:00,050
45 instead of 50 I was actually one

3302
02:04:00,050 --> 02:04:01,830
of those 45 year olds who got my

3303
02:04:01,830 --> 02:04:03,690
first colon cancer in the last several years

3304
02:04:03,690 --> 02:04:05,950
but as a result she got her first

3305
02:04:05,950 --> 02:04:08,890
colon cancer in the past several years I

3306
02:04:10,330 --> 02:04:12,110
can't believe they let that on the air

3307
02:04:12,110 --> 02:04:13,850
I would have said hey let's redo that

3308
02:04:13,850 --> 02:04:16,290
take actually one of those 45 year old

3309
02:04:16,290 --> 02:04:18,550
got my first colon cancer in the last

3310
02:04:18,550 --> 02:04:20,930
several years but as a result of this

3311
02:04:20,930 --> 02:04:24,110
we are seeing earlier stop a second also

3312
02:04:24,110 --> 02:04:26,170
the way she says it is a cavalier

3313
02:04:26,170 --> 02:04:30,830
manner I got my first colon cancer but

3314
02:04:30,830 --> 02:04:32,430
I got my first colon cancer in the

3315
02:04:32,430 --> 02:04:35,490
last year well how many you gonna get

3316
02:04:35,490 --> 02:04:38,390
I mean I think I think we know

3317
02:04:38,390 --> 02:04:40,010
what she meant to say but it's just

3318
02:04:40,010 --> 02:04:41,890
odd that this got on the air so

3319
02:04:41,890 --> 02:04:45,070
they dropped in 2021 the starting age for

3320
02:04:45,070 --> 02:04:47,430
colon cancer screening to 45 instead of 50

3321
02:04:47,430 --> 02:04:49,350
I was actually one of those 45 year

3322
02:04:49,350 --> 02:04:51,090
olds who got my first colon cancer in

3323
02:04:51,090 --> 02:04:53,270
the last several years but as a result

3324
02:04:53,270 --> 02:04:56,490
of this we are seeing earlier screening of

3325
02:04:56,490 --> 02:04:59,590
earlier diagnosis so some of these numbers are

3326
02:04:59,590 --> 02:05:02,270
some of this represents just an earlier diagnosis

3327
02:05:02,270 --> 02:05:03,870
than would have been made in the past

3328
02:05:03,870 --> 02:05:07,790
I'm not buying it I'm not buying this

3329
02:05:07,790 --> 02:05:09,750
is this is the same thing they said

3330
02:05:09,750 --> 02:05:12,970
what they say what was the last they

3331
02:05:12,970 --> 02:05:16,150
said oh no it's autism that's right no

3332
02:05:16,150 --> 02:05:17,930
no no there's just more autism because we're

3333
02:05:17,930 --> 02:05:20,790
testing more or we've broadened the spectrum or

3334
02:05:20,790 --> 02:05:25,530
whatever it's never because of something they did

3335
02:05:25,530 --> 02:05:29,750
yeah notice that one of those I have

3336
02:05:29,750 --> 02:05:31,910
a serious couple before we get to the

3337
02:05:31,910 --> 02:05:33,470
break well we're kind of in break well

3338
02:05:33,470 --> 02:05:34,870
it's gonna be a short break so that's

3339
02:05:34,870 --> 02:05:36,410
what I was thinking about a prize you

3340
02:05:36,410 --> 02:05:38,110
brought that in but since you brought that

3341
02:05:38,110 --> 02:05:41,330
in yes I think this is somewhat connected

3342
02:05:41,330 --> 02:05:43,730
because I don't have anything else okay this

3343
02:05:43,730 --> 02:05:46,030
is the flute this is a this two

3344
02:05:46,030 --> 02:05:50,870
-parter it's an infomercial oh yes I think

3345
02:05:50,870 --> 02:05:53,250
it's on ABC okay but they tell you

3346
02:05:53,250 --> 02:05:54,970
who it is at the beginning for the

3347
02:05:54,970 --> 02:05:58,730
new flu the flu and this is actually

3348
02:05:58,730 --> 02:06:00,930
a question of all the this is for

3349
02:06:00,930 --> 02:06:03,890
you the nasal and Myrna I believe no

3350
02:06:03,890 --> 02:06:06,070
no this facts no this is the Vax

3351
02:06:06,070 --> 02:06:10,430
Vax flu this is a display right but

3352
02:06:10,430 --> 02:06:12,430
it's mRNA spray isn't it I don't know

3353
02:06:12,430 --> 02:06:15,350
that it's mRNA oh it's been around for

3354
02:06:15,350 --> 02:06:16,690
a while so I think it's pre mRNA

3355
02:06:16,690 --> 02:06:18,190
but it's that they didn't allow it now

3356
02:06:18,190 --> 02:06:19,670
you can get it by mail order no

3357
02:06:19,670 --> 02:06:24,290
yay from Amazon and ABC News exclusive starting

3358
02:06:24,290 --> 02:06:27,410
this morning many exclusive yeah the Wow right

3359
02:06:27,410 --> 02:06:31,930
off the bat ABC exclusive it was paid

3360
02:06:31,930 --> 02:06:34,410
for three minute yeah neener neener neener hey

3361
02:06:34,410 --> 02:06:37,230
NBC CBS we got the money and ABC

3362
02:06:37,230 --> 02:06:40,510
News exclusive starting this morning many Americans can

3363
02:06:40,510 --> 02:06:42,890
get a flu vaccine without getting a shot

3364
02:06:42,890 --> 02:06:45,710
or even leaving the house for the first

3365
02:06:45,710 --> 02:06:47,810
time ever some adults and children can get

3366
02:06:47,810 --> 02:06:51,030
a nasal spray vaccination called flu mist delivered

3367
02:06:51,030 --> 02:06:53,530
right to their homes and ABC News chief

3368
02:06:53,530 --> 02:06:54,730
medical correspondent dr.

3369
02:06:54,850 --> 02:06:56,530
Tara Nerula is here with all the details

3370
02:06:56,530 --> 02:06:59,330
okay Tara doc we are excited to have

3371
02:06:59,330 --> 02:07:00,850
you here because there's a lot of questions

3372
02:07:00,850 --> 02:07:02,170
here on the desk there's gonna be a

3373
02:07:02,170 --> 02:07:03,770
lot of questions at home but this seems

3374
02:07:03,770 --> 02:07:05,630
like a real game changer well this is

3375
02:07:05,630 --> 02:07:07,810
definitely interesting for a lot of people this

3376
02:07:07,810 --> 02:07:10,570
is AstraZeneca launching a first-of-its-kind

3377
02:07:10,570 --> 02:07:13,170
nasal flu vaccine delivered to your home as

3378
02:07:13,170 --> 02:07:14,650
you said it is called flu mist this

3379
02:07:14,650 --> 02:07:16,270
is the same vaccine that's been around since

3380
02:07:16,270 --> 02:07:18,650
2003 but previously you had to go to

3381
02:07:18,650 --> 02:07:21,030
a doctor's office or a pharmacy now you'll

3382
02:07:21,030 --> 02:07:22,530
be able to go online fill out a

3383
02:07:22,530 --> 02:07:24,450
questionnaire and a pharmacist will determine if this

3384
02:07:24,450 --> 02:07:27,490
is something you can have this is the

3385
02:07:27,490 --> 02:07:30,850
same way you get your Viagra the do

3386
02:07:30,850 --> 02:07:34,250
you have a limp Willie yes do you

3387
02:07:34,250 --> 02:07:37,610
have any heart problems no it arrives you

3388
02:07:37,610 --> 02:07:38,730
can use it right away or put it

3389
02:07:38,730 --> 02:07:39,950
in the fridge and store it till you're

3390
02:07:39,950 --> 02:07:41,830
ready to use it it is a essentially

3391
02:07:41,830 --> 02:07:43,690
a nasal spray so one spray in each

3392
02:07:43,690 --> 02:07:45,790
nostril and the idea is that this may

3393
02:07:45,790 --> 02:07:48,330
be more convenient for people obviously offers flexibility

3394
02:07:48,330 --> 02:07:49,990
and for those people who may be needle

3395
02:07:49,990 --> 02:07:52,210
phobic one in four adults are two out

3396
02:07:52,210 --> 02:07:54,350
of three kids are obviously this offers a

3397
02:07:54,350 --> 02:07:57,030
much more palatable solution as a nasal spray

3398
02:07:57,030 --> 02:07:59,350
why is this important we know that 267

3399
02:07:59,350 --> 02:08:02,150
kids died in the last flu season millions

3400
02:08:02,150 --> 02:08:04,810
of hospitalizations and the vaccination rate tends to

3401
02:08:04,810 --> 02:08:06,330
be low overall for flu in this country

3402
02:08:06,330 --> 02:08:08,790
less than 50% so you mentioned getting

3403
02:08:08,790 --> 02:08:11,730
it at home who's eligible for this everybody

3404
02:08:11,730 --> 02:08:17,750
so Michael you may not be eligible I

3405
02:08:17,750 --> 02:08:20,110
told you that this is for people who

3406
02:08:20,110 --> 02:08:22,370
are 2 to 49 years old my internal

3407
02:08:22,370 --> 02:08:24,630
clock is a lot younger we don't know

3408
02:08:24,630 --> 02:08:36,100
if the flu vaccine knows that why 2

3409
02:08:36,100 --> 02:08:38,940
to 49 what's what happens at 50 all

3410
02:08:38,940 --> 02:08:40,600
of a sudden that's the question I was

3411
02:08:40,600 --> 02:08:42,140
gonna ask you I was gonna ask you

3412
02:08:42,140 --> 02:08:43,960
what do you think the follow-up now

3413
02:08:43,960 --> 02:08:45,340
if they tell you that it's good for

3414
02:08:45,340 --> 02:08:47,260
2 to 49 at 49 you can't take

3415
02:08:47,260 --> 02:08:49,560
it anymore you can't take it after you're

3416
02:08:49,560 --> 02:08:52,580
49 so what would you think a journalist

3417
02:08:52,580 --> 02:08:56,520
in a real setting would ask after you

3418
02:08:56,520 --> 02:08:58,060
said that to them well if I was

3419
02:08:58,060 --> 02:08:59,800
him I'd be is it because I'm black

3420
02:08:59,800 --> 02:09:01,660
that would have been that would have been

3421
02:09:01,660 --> 02:09:11,600
the question that I've been funnier so if

3422
02:09:11,600 --> 02:09:13,700
you are in that age range adults can

3423
02:09:13,700 --> 02:09:16,260
self-administer this up to age 49 and

3424
02:09:16,260 --> 02:09:18,340
caregivers can give it to kids ages 2

3425
02:09:18,340 --> 02:09:21,420
to 17 who's not eligible as well pregnant

3426
02:09:21,420 --> 02:09:24,280
individuals those who are immunocompromised or caregiving for

3427
02:09:24,280 --> 02:09:26,520
someone who's immunocompromised kids who are 2 to

3428
02:09:26,520 --> 02:09:28,260
4 who have asthma or may have wheezing

3429
02:09:28,260 --> 02:09:30,620
and then certain other individuals with other chronic

3430
02:09:30,620 --> 02:09:33,080
medical conditions so big questions people will have

3431
02:09:33,080 --> 02:09:34,720
how much will it cost to get this

3432
02:09:34,720 --> 02:09:36,200
delivered to your home and what do we

3433
02:09:36,200 --> 02:09:38,140
know about safety no no hold on my

3434
02:09:38,140 --> 02:09:40,980
big question is still why can't I take

3435
02:09:40,980 --> 02:09:42,960
it after 49 I know it wasn't in

3436
02:09:42,960 --> 02:09:47,920
the ad copy hello hello era why can

3437
02:09:47,920 --> 02:09:52,080
I not take the flu vaccine nasal spray

3438
02:09:52,080 --> 02:09:57,970
when I'm over 49 years old hi there

3439
02:09:57,970 --> 02:10:01,330
the nasal spray flu vaccine isn't recommended for

3440
02:10:01,330 --> 02:10:04,630
adults over 49 because our immune systems change

3441
02:10:04,630 --> 02:10:07,150
as we age the spray uses a live

3442
02:10:07,150 --> 02:10:10,070
weakened virus that works great for younger folks

3443
02:10:10,070 --> 02:10:13,530
with robust immune responses but in older adults

3444
02:10:13,530 --> 02:10:16,390
it might not trigger enough protection and could

3445
02:10:16,390 --> 02:10:19,870
pose a small risk of complications injective flu

3446
02:10:19,870 --> 02:10:22,590
vaccines are better study older age group wait

3447
02:10:22,590 --> 02:10:24,330
a minute and provide stop you mean I

3448
02:10:24,330 --> 02:10:26,170
could die if I'm if I take it

3449
02:10:26,170 --> 02:10:31,460
at 60 almost 61 years old oh no

3450
02:10:31,460 --> 02:10:34,540
no no it's not that dramatic the risk

3451
02:10:34,540 --> 02:10:36,920
isn't about dying it's just that the nasal

3452
02:10:36,920 --> 02:10:39,440
spray flu vaccine might not work as well

3453
02:10:39,440 --> 02:10:42,660
for you at 60 almost 61 your immune

3454
02:10:42,660 --> 02:10:45,380
system might not respond strongly enough to the

3455
02:10:45,380 --> 02:10:47,520
live virus in the spray so you could

3456
02:10:47,520 --> 02:10:50,260
still get sick okay but but do you

3457
02:10:50,260 --> 02:10:51,740
want to go on a date with me

3458
02:10:53,630 --> 02:10:58,470
oh you're funny I'm flattered but I'm just

3459
02:10:58,470 --> 02:11:01,010
a digital assistant not exactly the dinner in

3460
02:11:01,010 --> 02:11:03,930
a movie type besides I'm busy keeping up

3461
02:11:03,930 --> 02:11:06,130
with flu vaccine facts and all that jazz

3462
02:11:06,130 --> 02:11:10,790
okay well goodbye so this device is Aaron

3463
02:11:10,790 --> 02:11:16,070
girl error error error she knows your age

3464
02:11:16,070 --> 02:11:19,690
I just told her I was 60 so

3465
02:11:19,690 --> 02:11:22,590
she knows it now I just told her

3466
02:11:22,590 --> 02:11:25,470
I don't know okay we continue with the

3467
02:11:25,470 --> 02:11:27,710
ad so we think that most insurance companies

3468
02:11:27,710 --> 02:11:30,010
are going to cover this we do think

3469
02:11:30,010 --> 02:11:31,450
also that the shipping cost will be about

3470
02:11:31,450 --> 02:11:34,510
$10 for four doses and in terms of

3471
02:11:34,510 --> 02:11:36,670
safety and efficacy it seems to be on

3472
02:11:36,670 --> 02:11:39,210
par with the needle based flu vaccines so

3473
02:11:39,210 --> 02:11:42,010
equivalent essentially and that's so that does sound

3474
02:11:42,010 --> 02:11:43,910
like it would be less expensive than a

3475
02:11:43,910 --> 02:11:46,410
doctor's visit which is going to benefit families

3476
02:11:46,410 --> 02:11:49,410
what should families know if they're considering this

3477
02:11:49,410 --> 02:11:51,090
well always good to talk to your doctor

3478
02:11:51,090 --> 02:11:53,110
or your pediatrician to see are you the

3479
02:11:53,110 --> 02:11:54,510
right candidate for this do you have some

3480
02:11:54,510 --> 02:11:55,970
reason why you should be getting for example

3481
02:11:55,970 --> 02:11:58,270
the needle based one but yeah always good

3482
02:11:58,270 --> 02:12:00,350
to have that conversation but certainly this opens

3483
02:12:00,350 --> 02:12:01,470
the door I think for a lot of

3484
02:12:01,470 --> 02:12:04,110
families especially with kids as we talked about

3485
02:12:04,110 --> 02:12:06,030
to be able to do something much easier

3486
02:12:06,030 --> 02:12:07,890
than the needle you said a minute ago

3487
02:12:07,890 --> 02:12:09,410
you can put it in your refrigerator and

3488
02:12:09,410 --> 02:12:10,910
save it so how long could it sit

3489
02:12:10,910 --> 02:12:12,670
there yeah it has an expiration date on

3490
02:12:12,670 --> 02:12:13,910
it so as long as you do it

3491
02:12:13,910 --> 02:12:15,450
before the expiration date so you can order

3492
02:12:15,450 --> 02:12:18,010
it now just for it and then give

3493
02:12:18,010 --> 02:12:19,970
it to yourself you know late September early

3494
02:12:19,970 --> 02:12:26,170
October what I wanted to note what she

3495
02:12:26,170 --> 02:12:29,430
said you could put in your refrigerator and

3496
02:12:29,430 --> 02:12:31,810
give it to yourself in September or early

3497
02:12:31,810 --> 02:12:33,110
October why don't you just give it to

3498
02:12:33,110 --> 02:12:35,930
yourself right away if it's so damn good

3499
02:12:35,930 --> 02:12:39,590
why don't you take it right away because

3500
02:12:39,590 --> 02:12:41,090
it's gonna it why does it only last

3501
02:12:41,090 --> 02:12:44,050
for a month now clearly 60 days because

3502
02:12:44,050 --> 02:12:46,270
it's it's August now so you could keep

3503
02:12:46,270 --> 02:12:48,150
it for maybe even six weeks it's got

3504
02:12:48,150 --> 02:12:50,510
it she didn't say six weeks expiration it

3505
02:12:50,510 --> 02:12:52,170
let know she you could give it yourself

3506
02:12:52,170 --> 02:12:54,890
in September much easier than the needle you

3507
02:12:54,890 --> 02:12:56,230
said a minute ago you can put it

3508
02:12:56,230 --> 02:12:57,910
in your refrigerator and save it so how

3509
02:12:57,910 --> 02:12:59,490
long could it sit there yeah it has

3510
02:12:59,490 --> 02:13:00,950
an expiration date on it so as long

3511
02:13:00,950 --> 02:13:02,610
as you do it before the expiration date

3512
02:13:02,610 --> 02:13:03,850
so you can order it now just in

3513
02:13:03,850 --> 02:13:05,590
time for flu season store it and then

3514
02:13:05,590 --> 02:13:07,270
give it to yourself you know late September

3515
02:13:07,270 --> 02:13:09,390
early October the idea is usually to get

3516
02:13:09,390 --> 02:13:10,970
back today before Halloween you say give it

3517
02:13:10,970 --> 02:13:12,090
to you so three of the four of

3518
02:13:12,090 --> 02:13:12,930
you can give it to yourself

3519
02:13:12,930 --> 02:13:25,310
Wow

3520
02:13:25,310 --> 02:13:30,110
disgusting ad by the way did I just

3521
02:13:30,110 --> 02:13:34,030
get friend-zoned by our error bot what

3522
02:13:36,240 --> 02:13:38,160
does that mean well it's like I said

3523
02:13:38,160 --> 02:13:39,620
don't you want to go on a date

3524
02:13:39,620 --> 02:13:41,480
with me and that this error bot went

3525
02:13:41,480 --> 02:13:44,520
oh no you silly man I got friend

3526
02:13:44,520 --> 02:13:48,300
-zoned yeah well that's the what kind of

3527
02:13:48,300 --> 02:13:50,580
bot is that I think it's a I

3528
02:13:50,580 --> 02:13:52,240
think this is probably the best bot you

3529
02:13:52,240 --> 02:13:54,560
can have you don't want a bot that's

3530
02:13:54,560 --> 02:13:57,340
actually trying to cozy up to you well

3531
02:13:57,340 --> 02:13:59,400
somebody might want it that way I was

3532
02:13:59,400 --> 02:14:02,240
rejected by whoever wants it that way needs

3533
02:14:02,240 --> 02:14:05,080
help I think I'd pay 20 bucks a

3534
02:14:05,080 --> 02:14:06,760
month for that bot it should it should

3535
02:14:06,760 --> 02:14:09,020
want it should say yes you're paying 20

3536
02:14:09,020 --> 02:14:11,040
bucks a month for that bot well I

3537
02:14:11,040 --> 02:14:13,640
use grok for my vibe coding so yes

3538
02:14:13,640 --> 02:14:15,900
I pay 20 bucks a month but not

3539
02:14:15,900 --> 02:14:20,320
for the bot for the coding yes well

3540
02:14:20,320 --> 02:14:22,420
at least she has a nice chuckle and

3541
02:14:22,420 --> 02:14:23,500
with that I want to thank you for

3542
02:14:23,500 --> 02:14:24,980
your courage to say in the morning to

3543
02:14:24,980 --> 02:14:26,300
you the man who put the seas in

3544
02:14:26,300 --> 02:14:28,900
colorectal cancer say hello to my friend on

3545
02:14:28,900 --> 02:14:30,500
the other end the one the only mr.

3546
02:14:37,820 --> 02:14:39,100
yeah well in the morning you mr.

3547
02:14:39,180 --> 02:14:40,980
Adam curry on notice to see what's on

3548
02:14:40,980 --> 02:14:42,240
the ground in the air subs in the

3549
02:14:42,240 --> 02:14:44,220
water in the morning all the names and

3550
02:14:44,220 --> 02:14:53,460
nights out there so our IP

3551
02:14:53,460 --> 02:14:58,840
IP v6 fix worked we're back to 2135

3552
02:14:58,840 --> 02:15:01,220
so that's getting closer to what we are

3553
02:15:01,220 --> 02:15:04,140
we're on par back in the day because

3554
02:15:04,140 --> 02:15:05,720
we were getting really low there and I've

3555
02:15:05,720 --> 02:15:07,600
got several reports from people saying yes it

3556
02:15:07,600 --> 02:15:10,600
worked so that's good and we're very happy

3557
02:15:10,600 --> 02:15:14,020
it's about time yes unfortunately very few of

3558
02:15:14,020 --> 02:15:16,340
these people support the show no they all

3559
02:15:16,340 --> 02:15:19,280
bailed out this week you know we said

3560
02:15:19,280 --> 02:15:21,300
oh I know what it is is because

3561
02:15:21,300 --> 02:15:23,720
we haven't condemned Israel for the slaughter of

3562
02:15:23,720 --> 02:15:28,260
the Palestinians we haven't condemned Russia that but

3563
02:15:28,260 --> 02:15:30,720
that's now I mean I get email after

3564
02:15:30,720 --> 02:15:34,540
email and Palestinian thing yes because that's what

3565
02:15:34,540 --> 02:15:36,780
people are told to be outraged about so

3566
02:15:36,780 --> 02:15:38,220
that's what the outrage is about and I

3567
02:15:38,220 --> 02:15:41,280
don't think we've done that for any war

3568
02:15:41,280 --> 02:15:44,380
but this one this one is particularly different

3569
02:15:44,380 --> 02:15:47,980
I can't tell you why but you know

3570
02:15:47,980 --> 02:15:49,980
people feel like because we have not come

3571
02:15:49,980 --> 02:15:53,400
I can tell you why okay I mean

3572
02:15:53,400 --> 02:15:55,180
you could tell with the no agenda social

3573
02:15:55,180 --> 02:15:57,860
and the other operation they went to full

3574
02:15:57,860 --> 02:16:01,340
tilt anti-jew yeah but wouldn't see that

3575
02:16:01,340 --> 02:16:03,880
even you so we attracted these people to

3576
02:16:03,880 --> 02:16:06,020
begin with but yes and then they turned

3577
02:16:06,020 --> 02:16:08,600
on us but you saying that that makes

3578
02:16:08,600 --> 02:16:14,110
it even worse that compounds the problem because

3579
02:16:14,110 --> 02:16:16,090
then you tell them the truth and the

3580
02:16:16,090 --> 02:16:18,670
facts and then they get really mad I

3581
02:16:18,670 --> 02:16:21,190
mean I have people who and whenever you

3582
02:16:21,190 --> 02:16:24,090
start off an email with I usually give

3583
02:16:24,090 --> 02:16:26,050
you a hundred dollars a year saving up

3584
02:16:26,050 --> 02:16:28,670
my money as a first grade teacher but

3585
02:16:28,670 --> 02:16:30,790
I can no longer in good conscience do

3586
02:16:30,790 --> 02:16:34,750
that it's like I get so many of

3587
02:16:34,750 --> 02:16:38,090
those you're not hating on the Jews but

3588
02:16:38,090 --> 02:16:41,170
it's real easy for me because I'm gonna

3589
02:16:41,170 --> 02:16:43,030
move this back to one show a week

3590
02:16:43,030 --> 02:16:44,809
because that's what we used to do oh

3591
02:16:44,809 --> 02:16:46,330
I am oh yeah and the first thing

3592
02:16:46,330 --> 02:16:49,250
I'm first thing I'm cutting out is Sunday

3593
02:16:50,389 --> 02:16:52,469
did we can do a Thursday show if

3594
02:16:52,469 --> 02:16:55,049
people are gonna give us half is literally

3595
02:16:55,049 --> 02:16:59,910
half of what we typically get then that's

3596
02:16:59,910 --> 02:17:03,230
fine by me I know it's not fine

3597
02:17:03,230 --> 02:17:04,510
by you you don't like me to talk

3598
02:17:04,510 --> 02:17:07,010
this way but I'm serious as a heart

3599
02:17:07,010 --> 02:17:16,480
attack well good for you that's his response

3600
02:17:16,480 --> 02:17:20,080
ladies and gentlemen no it's just disappointing I

3601
02:17:20,080 --> 02:17:22,160
mean we put in the work I think

3602
02:17:22,160 --> 02:17:24,620
we do a stellar job but because we're

3603
02:17:24,620 --> 02:17:27,040
not allowing ourselves to be captured and to

3604
02:17:27,040 --> 02:17:30,059
go along like every other podcast has done

3605
02:17:30,059 --> 02:17:33,180
and we're not doing anything different we're just

3606
02:17:33,180 --> 02:17:36,420
saying it's we don't do that we don't

3607
02:17:36,420 --> 02:17:39,600
condemn people for things we tell you what

3608
02:17:39,600 --> 02:17:41,379
it is and we give you our opinion

3609
02:17:41,379 --> 02:17:42,799
and if you don't like our opinion okay

3610
02:17:42,799 --> 02:17:44,840
we don't actually give them any opinions we're

3611
02:17:44,840 --> 02:17:47,860
mostly deconstructing news stories mainly we get the

3612
02:17:47,860 --> 02:17:51,100
process our opinion creeps in yes well we

3613
02:17:51,100 --> 02:17:52,600
have the wrong opinion I have a lot

3614
02:17:52,600 --> 02:17:54,719
of opinions about PBS and it's a pity

3615
02:17:54,719 --> 02:17:57,160
I'm opinionated that they shouldn't be getting any

3616
02:17:57,160 --> 02:17:58,840
money from anybody and they should be sending

3617
02:17:58,840 --> 02:18:02,100
it to us yes I'm with you on

3618
02:18:02,100 --> 02:18:08,120
that anyway the trolls are many of them

3619
02:18:08,120 --> 02:18:09,980
are listening on those modern podcast apps because

3620
02:18:09,980 --> 02:18:11,559
that's the first thing that broke when they

3621
02:18:11,559 --> 02:18:18,360
were accessing wrongly accessing us through IPv6 which

3622
02:18:18,360 --> 02:18:20,680
was not your fault really but you were

3623
02:18:20,680 --> 02:18:22,260
holding it wrong and so that's why you

3624
02:18:22,260 --> 02:18:23,700
couldn't listen to the live stream now it's

3625
02:18:23,700 --> 02:18:26,400
working again and I also remembered to send

3626
02:18:26,400 --> 02:18:28,299
out the bad signal on time that kind

3627
02:18:28,299 --> 02:18:29,900
of helps a lot of people like hey

3628
02:18:29,900 --> 02:18:31,540
I heard you fix it but I didn't

3629
02:18:31,540 --> 02:18:34,139
get the bad signal my mistake user error

3630
02:18:34,139 --> 02:18:36,900
and you can do that with a modern

3631
02:18:36,900 --> 02:18:39,299
podcast app or you can always just listen

3632
02:18:39,299 --> 02:18:42,340
in at no agenda dot stream or the

3633
02:18:42,340 --> 02:18:44,240
troll room troll room dot IO that's where

3634
02:18:44,240 --> 02:18:47,260
all the trolls are hanging out and yes

3635
02:18:47,260 --> 02:18:49,760
proper trolls use VLC that's right you want

3636
02:18:49,760 --> 02:18:54,920
to use some geeky device some geeky widget

3637
02:18:54,920 --> 02:18:59,400
VLC that works with everything of course it

3638
02:18:59,400 --> 02:19:02,520
is value for value the entire idea is

3639
02:19:02,520 --> 02:19:04,820
if you get any value from what we

3640
02:19:04,820 --> 02:19:08,000
do send us some value back if you

3641
02:19:08,000 --> 02:19:10,959
don't that's going to make us less interested

3642
02:19:10,959 --> 02:19:13,299
in providing the value if you don't find

3643
02:19:13,299 --> 02:19:17,440
it valuable don't email me don't listen that

3644
02:19:17,440 --> 02:19:19,360
clearly is not happening do you notice that

3645
02:19:19,360 --> 02:19:23,100
John according to our numbers everyone's still listening

3646
02:19:23,100 --> 02:19:25,940
yes exactly but I like it when I

3647
02:19:25,940 --> 02:19:28,180
got an interesting note this was a good

3648
02:19:28,180 --> 02:19:31,059
one Adam both you and John have been

3649
02:19:31,059 --> 02:19:33,879
integral to my life I've been listening since

3650
02:19:33,879 --> 02:19:40,180
2016 for free all caps and can honestly

3651
02:19:40,180 --> 02:19:42,000
say both you and John have helped me

3652
02:19:42,000 --> 02:19:45,480
navigate through life I'm 32 now I actually

3653
02:19:45,480 --> 02:19:47,580
sent hate mail that was just read on

3654
02:19:47,580 --> 02:19:50,240
some episode or was read on some episode

3655
02:19:50,240 --> 02:19:52,440
you said my language was nasty or something

3656
02:19:52,440 --> 02:19:54,920
I don't remember I just want to come

3657
02:19:54,920 --> 02:19:56,640
back because both of you cut through the

3658
02:19:56,640 --> 02:19:59,260
wave so well it's incredible and say that

3659
02:19:59,260 --> 02:20:01,960
my statements still stand you guys have become

3660
02:20:01,960 --> 02:20:05,240
unbearable you have an agenda and the agenda

3661
02:20:05,240 --> 02:20:08,560
is conservative takeover I'm not quite sure what

3662
02:20:08,560 --> 02:20:12,280
that means what yeah conservative takeover that's our

3663
02:20:12,280 --> 02:20:15,720
agenda call me whatever the F you want

3664
02:20:15,720 --> 02:20:17,900
but since 2016 when I was a young

3665
02:20:17,900 --> 02:20:21,160
buck life has still been miserable you both

3666
02:20:21,160 --> 02:20:28,420
are old and have insane egos it's funny

3667
02:20:28,420 --> 02:20:30,980
the boots on the ground is your guys

3668
02:20:30,980 --> 02:20:33,960
term for insider knowledge of the worker class

3669
02:20:33,960 --> 02:20:36,540
but both you have never imagined what this

3670
02:20:36,540 --> 02:20:39,200
country is like for being a worker I

3671
02:20:39,200 --> 02:20:42,020
just want to say F you I'm like

3672
02:20:42,020 --> 02:20:44,140
does this guy ever listen to all the

3673
02:20:44,140 --> 02:20:47,680
jobs we have had he's saying we don't

3674
02:20:47,680 --> 02:20:49,420
it's not we don't know what it's like

3675
02:20:49,420 --> 02:20:51,480
to be a worker I worked on the

3676
02:20:51,480 --> 02:20:53,820
assembly line at two different factories I used

3677
02:20:53,820 --> 02:21:00,280
to shoe horses but yeah I've welded I've

3678
02:21:00,280 --> 02:21:02,760
shooed horses welded and let me tell you

3679
02:21:02,760 --> 02:21:06,400
show business is not also glamorous it's it's

3680
02:21:06,400 --> 02:21:09,120
a little worse than a steady paycheck including

3681
02:21:09,120 --> 02:21:16,240
doing a podcast it's unbelievable anyway that well

3682
02:21:16,240 --> 02:21:17,880
I kind of understand you know I still

3683
02:21:17,880 --> 02:21:20,000
reminded of the day I've told the story

3684
02:21:20,000 --> 02:21:23,600
probably four times over the last 20 years

3685
02:21:23,600 --> 02:21:28,680
or 18 years when it was like I

3686
02:21:28,680 --> 02:21:32,080
was in port towns in Washington doing something

3687
02:21:32,080 --> 02:21:34,020
there and there was a bunch of kids

3688
02:21:34,020 --> 02:21:37,520
in a cove one of this boarded up

3689
02:21:37,520 --> 02:21:40,640
stores the town was pretty vibrant but there's

3690
02:21:40,640 --> 02:21:42,480
a store and they're all sitting there doing

3691
02:21:42,480 --> 02:21:45,820
nothing and I somehow got into a conversation

3692
02:21:45,820 --> 02:21:47,460
with him I don't remember what the intro

3693
02:21:47,460 --> 02:21:48,960
was but I said why don't you guys

3694
02:21:48,960 --> 02:21:50,800
I just you know the summertime is summertime

3695
02:21:50,800 --> 02:21:52,660
it's only time I want to be up

3696
02:21:52,660 --> 02:21:55,580
there summertime why don't you get a summer

3697
02:21:55,580 --> 02:21:58,340
job or something he says the guy one

3698
02:21:58,340 --> 02:22:01,180
guy's just chooses me out this is yeah

3699
02:22:01,180 --> 02:22:03,900
yeah doing what he says all these other

3700
02:22:03,900 --> 02:22:07,160
companies are shuttered there's nothing to do you

3701
02:22:07,160 --> 02:22:08,800
we can't get a summer job I'd love

3702
02:22:08,800 --> 02:22:10,500
to work a summer job I think you

3703
02:22:10,500 --> 02:22:11,840
probably did when you were a kid I

3704
02:22:11,840 --> 02:22:13,160
said yeah I worked nothing but I worked

3705
02:22:13,160 --> 02:22:14,760
a lot of summer jobs every all over

3706
02:22:14,760 --> 02:22:16,080
every year in high school I worked a

3707
02:22:16,080 --> 02:22:17,860
summer job and he went on and on

3708
02:22:17,860 --> 02:22:19,340
about how you can't get a summer job

3709
02:22:19,340 --> 02:22:20,720
he says he'd work a summer job but

3710
02:22:20,720 --> 02:22:22,140
you get a summer job where's the summer

3711
02:22:22,140 --> 02:22:23,780
jobs you sure show me when I go

3712
02:22:23,780 --> 02:22:25,860
work it and he went on like that

3713
02:22:25,860 --> 02:22:27,560
and I took it to heart and I

3714
02:22:27,560 --> 02:22:29,540
believe that these kids have been screwed because

3715
02:22:29,540 --> 02:22:31,740
of the industrial base being moved to China

3716
02:22:31,740 --> 02:22:37,360
well that's a reasonable a reasonable statement I

3717
02:22:37,360 --> 02:22:39,180
mean I used to pick potatoes for my

3718
02:22:39,180 --> 02:22:41,360
summer job I used to they used to

3719
02:22:41,360 --> 02:22:44,580
have cot cutting these they have apricot fields

3720
02:22:44,580 --> 02:22:46,800
all over the Fremont Newark area that you'd

3721
02:22:46,800 --> 02:22:49,360
go pick cots and cut cots used to

3722
02:22:49,360 --> 02:22:52,200
be cut cots where they would kids in

3723
02:22:52,200 --> 02:22:53,940
high school would be cutting that you'd cut

3724
02:22:53,940 --> 02:22:56,100
these apricots in half and you stick them

3725
02:22:56,100 --> 02:22:58,300
in these dryers and they make dried apricots

3726
02:22:58,300 --> 02:23:00,300
right there on this in this in these

3727
02:23:00,300 --> 02:23:02,700
fields and these farms that were all over

3728
02:23:02,700 --> 02:23:05,040
the place are all gone wait wait I

3729
02:23:05,040 --> 02:23:06,980
get to tell about my jobs I used

3730
02:23:06,980 --> 02:23:11,640
to work in the rose nursery sorting roses

3731
02:23:11,640 --> 02:23:14,900
by hand where you at the end of

3732
02:23:14,900 --> 02:23:16,900
the summer you have nothing but small tiny

3733
02:23:16,900 --> 02:23:18,720
cuts from your wrists all the way up

3734
02:23:18,720 --> 02:23:20,960
to your elbows we used to that does

3735
02:23:20,960 --> 02:23:23,060
not sound like a good job we it

3736
02:23:23,060 --> 02:23:25,240
was that paid well you used to stack

3737
02:23:25,240 --> 02:23:29,260
firewood in the orange big orange bags mahogany

3738
02:23:29,260 --> 02:23:32,320
and then and then at the end of

3739
02:23:32,320 --> 02:23:35,660
the summer your knuckles were completely bleeding because

3740
02:23:35,660 --> 02:23:38,980
of the plastic bags come on man you

3741
02:23:38,980 --> 02:23:41,720
weren't wearing gloves no no no no they

3742
02:23:41,720 --> 02:23:44,040
did not issue gloves to the children shut

3743
02:23:44,040 --> 02:23:48,700
up slave no paint I painted LPG tanks

3744
02:23:48,700 --> 02:23:51,860
white in the summer oh man I've had

3745
02:23:51,860 --> 02:23:55,180
so many jobs retail oh the retail counting

3746
02:23:55,180 --> 02:23:58,160
out transistors for people now I have for

3747
02:23:58,160 --> 02:24:00,000
nerds this is what you have an advantage

3748
02:24:00,000 --> 02:24:04,020
here I have never that I can think

3749
02:24:04,020 --> 02:24:06,340
of a friend I'm pretty sure I said

3750
02:24:06,340 --> 02:24:09,480
I'm thinking back now no I've never worked

3751
02:24:09,480 --> 02:24:12,700
retail I don't it's like the problem even

3752
02:24:12,700 --> 02:24:14,480
with the some of the stuff I do

3753
02:24:14,480 --> 02:24:19,420
today it's working with the public no to

3754
02:24:19,420 --> 02:24:22,180
be avoided so we had there was an

3755
02:24:22,180 --> 02:24:28,280
electronic store called Falkenberg and and people would

3756
02:24:28,280 --> 02:24:30,720
admit we had we had the the counter

3757
02:24:30,720 --> 02:24:34,860
and behind us was just all little drawers

3758
02:24:34,860 --> 02:24:38,840
and the drawers were filled with resistors capacitors

3759
02:24:38,840 --> 02:24:43,800
transistors you know different components and then you'd

3760
02:24:43,800 --> 02:24:46,380
have a nerd maybe like here's my list

3761
02:24:46,380 --> 02:24:48,280
give me my keys my list I need

3762
02:24:48,280 --> 02:24:53,120
five one kilo ohm resistors I need seven

3763
02:24:53,120 --> 02:24:58,220
0.5 microfarad capacitors and then you know

3764
02:24:58,220 --> 02:24:59,520
you'd have to look at it but then

3765
02:24:59,520 --> 02:25:01,920
you have to check each resistor by the

3766
02:25:01,920 --> 02:25:04,360
color code to make sure that it was

3767
02:25:04,360 --> 02:25:09,280
the right resistance and of course the nerd

3768
02:25:09,280 --> 02:25:11,620
would be go Mimi he has a silver

3769
02:25:11,620 --> 02:25:13,600
band that that's not as accurate as the

3770
02:25:13,600 --> 02:25:14,740
gold band do you have any of a

3771
02:25:14,740 --> 02:25:17,720
gold band and then you'd have to write

3772
02:25:17,720 --> 02:25:19,960
every single item out on a paper ticket

3773
02:25:19,960 --> 02:25:22,420
and then you put it into the cash

3774
02:25:22,420 --> 02:25:25,640
register you you had to swing the handle

3775
02:25:25,640 --> 02:25:28,340
I know it's crazy swing the handle cushing

3776
02:25:28,340 --> 02:25:31,080
and then you had to give the customer

3777
02:25:31,080 --> 02:25:33,540
their receipt and you had to count backwards

3778
02:25:33,540 --> 02:25:41,440
with the change where's my boomer jingle

3779
02:25:41,440 --> 02:25:47,200
here it is I've got a boomer jingle

3780
02:25:47,200 --> 02:25:52,080
here it is all

3781
02:25:52,080 --> 02:25:59,520
right so of course we want to thank

3782
02:25:59,520 --> 02:26:02,220
our our AI experts for bringing us the

3783
02:26:02,220 --> 02:26:04,960
artwork since no one does real art anymore

3784
02:26:04,960 --> 02:26:09,920
it's all basically prompt jockeys episode 1790 we

3785
02:26:09,920 --> 02:26:11,940
always have a brand new and actually we're

3786
02:26:11,940 --> 02:26:15,660
not completely convinced this was an AI piece

3787
02:26:15,660 --> 02:26:19,880
Florida ounce was the title of our show

3788
02:26:19,880 --> 02:26:22,040
which got a lot of traction as you

3789
02:26:22,040 --> 02:26:24,220
can tell by the donations everybody loved it

3790
02:26:24,220 --> 02:26:28,580
everyone thought it was great didn't donate Florida

3791
02:26:28,580 --> 02:26:30,280
ounce was the title and this piece of

3792
02:26:30,280 --> 02:26:34,700
art was was done by Bill Walsh or

3793
02:26:34,700 --> 02:26:38,320
Saturday and it was a dynamite piece there

3794
02:26:38,320 --> 02:26:40,900
were some technical issues with it but it

3795
02:26:40,900 --> 02:26:42,880
was so good yeah we're convinced that it

3796
02:26:42,880 --> 02:26:45,220
was stolen we thought it was stolen could

3797
02:26:45,220 --> 02:26:47,520
not find it through the reverse image generator

3798
02:26:47,520 --> 02:26:49,500
it was now and then we didn't hit

3799
02:26:49,500 --> 02:26:51,600
get a note from a comic strip blog

3800
02:26:51,600 --> 02:26:53,720
so then you know it's not stolen and

3801
02:26:53,720 --> 02:26:57,180
it was the Lando lakes the Indian girl

3802
02:26:57,180 --> 02:26:58,720
which of course I don't think it's even

3803
02:26:58,720 --> 02:27:01,140
on the old gates yeah but well yes

3804
02:27:01,140 --> 02:27:03,740
that was the joke Lando gates and he

3805
02:27:03,740 --> 02:27:09,360
was the Indian girl technicalities he used the

3806
02:27:09,360 --> 02:27:13,060
standard art general no agenda art generator dot

3807
02:27:13,060 --> 02:27:18,280
-com template which doesn't always look that great

3808
02:27:18,280 --> 02:27:23,060
depending on the background stuff was small I

3809
02:27:23,060 --> 02:27:24,380
mean there were some good things in there

3810
02:27:24,380 --> 02:27:28,360
it said may contain mRNA salted carbon butter

3811
02:27:28,360 --> 02:27:33,800
the idea was may contain mRNA real small

3812
02:27:33,800 --> 02:27:38,920
on the on the banner salted right now

3813
02:27:38,920 --> 02:27:41,680
you can't read it but what what a

3814
02:27:41,680 --> 02:27:43,860
dynamite idea and as far as I know

3815
02:27:43,860 --> 02:27:45,840
no one had done it no one had

3816
02:27:45,840 --> 02:27:48,520
ever done this before Lando gates was hilarious

3817
02:27:48,520 --> 02:27:51,620
and he loved it a lot he was

3818
02:27:51,620 --> 02:27:53,200
he was I like the fact they still

3819
02:27:53,200 --> 02:27:57,800
got the bare knees which is important he

3820
02:27:57,800 --> 02:28:02,300
was spiking the ball everywhere on X he

3821
02:28:02,300 --> 02:28:03,640
was very happy it was a good it

3822
02:28:03,640 --> 02:28:06,100
was very good that was it was in

3823
02:28:06,100 --> 02:28:08,240
fact a very delightful piece of art and

3824
02:28:08,240 --> 02:28:11,080
I don't think it was AI generated I

3825
02:28:11,080 --> 02:28:13,680
think he did some work there well some

3826
02:28:13,680 --> 02:28:15,440
work had to be done because I just

3827
02:28:15,440 --> 02:28:17,640
don't see an AI coming up with it

3828
02:28:17,640 --> 02:28:21,140
and a lot of people tried to do

3829
02:28:21,140 --> 02:28:23,300
similar you know tried to do takeoffs on

3830
02:28:23,300 --> 02:28:28,020
the on the carbon butter we had bills

3831
02:28:28,020 --> 02:28:31,640
carbon butter in the vaseline jar which was

3832
02:28:31,640 --> 02:28:35,800
also funny all kinds I can't believe it's

3833
02:28:35,800 --> 02:28:39,260
bills butter bills butter lots of bills butter

3834
02:28:39,260 --> 02:28:43,100
things so everyone everyone caught it I mean

3835
02:28:43,100 --> 02:28:45,080
and that's really it was it's always on

3836
02:28:45,080 --> 02:28:47,660
us we always say that this if the

3837
02:28:47,660 --> 02:28:49,100
art is not good the first thing we

3838
02:28:49,100 --> 02:28:50,820
say is because we didn't have something that

3839
02:28:50,820 --> 02:28:53,880
stuck out that artists or even prompt no

3840
02:28:53,880 --> 02:28:56,420
look no hook that's right no hook so

3841
02:28:56,420 --> 02:28:59,180
we had a hook people grabbed it and

3842
02:28:59,180 --> 02:29:02,160
and and sir Saturday sir Saturday night I

3843
02:29:02,160 --> 02:29:03,840
think it is sir Saturday did a great

3844
02:29:03,840 --> 02:29:06,940
job that was really very very funny we

3845
02:29:06,940 --> 02:29:10,140
appreciated that no agenda generator comm that's where

3846
02:29:10,140 --> 02:29:15,400
you can submit to your your entries for

3847
02:29:15,400 --> 02:29:18,400
album art it's very important because it looks

3848
02:29:18,400 --> 02:29:19,980
good when we promote the show the minute

3849
02:29:19,980 --> 02:29:24,280
we're done and it's highly appreciated now the

3850
02:29:24,280 --> 02:29:27,360
the value portion short very short I think

3851
02:29:27,360 --> 02:29:30,500
we have what four one two three four

3852
02:29:30,500 --> 02:29:35,200
five executive associate executive producers and it dive

3853
02:29:35,200 --> 02:29:37,700
bombs after that to the couple fifties and

3854
02:29:37,700 --> 02:29:39,800
then it's done so I'm not sure why

3855
02:29:39,800 --> 02:29:42,380
a lot of people got joy from the

3856
02:29:42,380 --> 02:29:44,260
from the episode I said that's what I

3857
02:29:44,260 --> 02:29:49,100
saw but for some reason do you know

3858
02:29:49,100 --> 02:29:53,000
that scaramanga is leading the past year leaderboard

3859
02:29:53,000 --> 02:29:57,040
hmm doesn't surprise me you can't get a

3860
02:29:57,040 --> 02:29:59,060
gig in fashion might as well work for

3861
02:29:59,060 --> 02:30:03,580
us for free for props for credits props

3862
02:30:03,580 --> 02:30:07,320
for value so we always thank everybody who

3863
02:30:07,320 --> 02:30:11,240
supports us $50 and above that's for brevity

3864
02:30:11,240 --> 02:30:13,020
sake of course although we could probably go

3865
02:30:13,020 --> 02:30:16,200
to the force today but we also don't

3866
02:30:16,200 --> 02:30:18,200
do it under 50 for reasons of anonymity

3867
02:30:18,200 --> 02:30:20,180
and there's a lot of people there who

3868
02:30:20,180 --> 02:30:23,120
on recurring donations which we highly appreciate that's

3869
02:30:23,120 --> 02:30:24,660
all we ever really want is just everybody

3870
02:30:24,660 --> 02:30:26,280
to come up with a recurring donation that

3871
02:30:26,280 --> 02:30:28,180
would really help particularly at the at the

3872
02:30:28,180 --> 02:30:30,240
numbers of people who listen to the show

3873
02:30:30,240 --> 02:30:34,260
but we do have an extra benefit it's

3874
02:30:34,260 --> 02:30:36,800
not a tote bag it's not a Andrea

3875
02:30:36,800 --> 02:30:40,860
Bocelli DVD it is a credit an actual

3876
02:30:40,860 --> 02:30:42,900
Hollywood credit if you support us with $200

3877
02:30:42,900 --> 02:30:47,400
or above for the episode not only will

3878
02:30:47,400 --> 02:30:49,180
we read your note no matter how long

3879
02:30:49,180 --> 02:30:52,120
it is I see you Jay Trotter but

3880
02:30:52,120 --> 02:30:53,880
we will also give you the credit of

3881
02:30:53,880 --> 02:30:56,400
associate executive producer which you can use anywhere

3882
02:30:56,400 --> 02:30:59,740
Hollywood credits are recognized including imdb.com $300

3883
02:30:59,740 --> 02:31:02,320
and above and you become an executive producer

3884
02:31:02,320 --> 02:31:04,000
of this episode of the no agenda show

3885
02:31:04,000 --> 02:31:05,460
when we kick it off with Jay Trotter

3886
02:31:05,460 --> 02:31:08,000
from Branson's in Florida who comes with in

3887
02:31:08,000 --> 02:31:11,680
our our favorite number 333 dot 33 and

3888
02:31:11,680 --> 02:31:13,060
right off the bat he asked for a

3889
02:31:13,060 --> 02:31:18,640
de-douche and he has a rather long

3890
02:31:18,640 --> 02:31:20,980
notes but it's okay we will gladly read

3891
02:31:20,980 --> 02:31:23,480
it today this says let not your heart

3892
02:31:23,480 --> 02:31:25,820
be troubled as things with the younger generation

3893
02:31:25,820 --> 02:31:27,900
Z and alpha are not as bad as

3894
02:31:27,900 --> 02:31:31,900
advertised at least here in Florida as a

3895
02:31:31,900 --> 02:31:33,960
father of four girls between the ages of

3896
02:31:33,960 --> 02:31:36,640
6 and 16 I feel qualified to speak

3897
02:31:36,640 --> 02:31:39,740
on the matter the new teenage rebellion against

3898
02:31:39,740 --> 02:31:42,100
sick and twisted system they've grown up in

3899
02:31:42,100 --> 02:31:44,580
is to be a great kid these kids

3900
02:31:44,580 --> 02:31:46,180
at least the ones I'm around are the

3901
02:31:46,180 --> 02:31:48,340
most well-behaved and respectful of any I

3902
02:31:48,340 --> 02:31:51,180
can remember they definitely they're definitely better than

3903
02:31:51,180 --> 02:31:54,520
me and my generation ex-brethren if they're

3904
02:31:54,520 --> 02:31:56,620
at a friend's house it's way more likely

3905
02:31:56,620 --> 02:31:58,420
a Bible study will break out than a

3906
02:31:58,420 --> 02:32:01,140
party whoa and I couldn't get them to

3907
02:32:01,140 --> 02:32:03,120
drink alcohol if I left a bottle out

3908
02:32:03,120 --> 02:32:08,640
with a note saying try this kids they

3909
02:32:08,640 --> 02:32:11,120
prefer vinyl to digital and already have the

3910
02:32:11,120 --> 02:32:13,600
new Taylor Swift vinyl on pre-order well

3911
02:32:13,600 --> 02:32:17,360
that's good and bad they grew up running

3912
02:32:17,360 --> 02:32:19,600
around the neighborhood with friends during kovat not

3913
02:32:19,600 --> 02:32:21,560
stuck inside as you would think they're hard

3914
02:32:21,560 --> 02:32:23,720
-working and competitive in a good way love

3915
02:32:23,720 --> 02:32:26,160
God in their country and are completely immune

3916
02:32:26,160 --> 02:32:28,640
to mainstream media because to them it may

3917
02:32:28,640 --> 02:32:31,500
as well not exist yes they have phones

3918
02:32:31,500 --> 02:32:33,560
but no right from wrong and don't let

3919
02:32:33,560 --> 02:32:36,360
social media rule their lives where are these

3920
02:32:36,360 --> 02:32:39,880
wonder kindred of course there are some rotten

3921
02:32:39,880 --> 02:32:42,320
apples but by and large the upcoming generation

3922
02:32:42,320 --> 02:32:44,560
is going to end this culture war as

3923
02:32:44,560 --> 02:32:48,040
the other side isn't reproducing yes this is

3924
02:32:48,040 --> 02:32:50,400
true and to top it all off my

3925
02:32:50,400 --> 02:32:52,620
kids high school not only has an amateur

3926
02:32:52,620 --> 02:32:55,540
radio club my daughter is signed up next

3927
02:32:55,540 --> 02:32:57,820
semester to take an amateur radio class as

3928
02:32:57,820 --> 02:33:01,240
excited to get her ham radio license well

3929
02:33:01,240 --> 02:33:04,120
this is good that's a kid you get

3930
02:33:04,120 --> 02:33:06,020
your kids are probably be Eagle Scouts to

3931
02:33:06,020 --> 02:33:08,480
thank you for your courage please give me

3932
02:33:08,480 --> 02:33:10,920
some r2d2 karma for my exit strategy from

3933
02:33:10,920 --> 02:33:14,360
20 plus years of corporate b2b sales as

3934
02:33:14,360 --> 02:33:19,100
we're opening a brewery this fall Wow that's

3935
02:33:19,100 --> 02:33:22,200
that's quite a quite a change more on

3936
02:33:22,200 --> 02:33:24,700
that in my next donation cheers says Jay

3937
02:33:24,700 --> 02:33:34,090
Trotter you've got before you read the next

3938
02:33:34,090 --> 02:33:37,810
donation I have a bonus clip that relates

3939
02:33:37,810 --> 02:33:40,990
to this actually forgot I had it because

3940
02:33:40,990 --> 02:33:45,130
it is indeed true that the the young

3941
02:33:45,130 --> 02:33:48,690
generation I would say Z's the Z's I'm

3942
02:33:48,690 --> 02:33:50,690
not sure about the alphas but the Z's

3943
02:33:50,690 --> 02:33:55,410
are indeed turning against technology and in particular

3944
02:33:55,410 --> 02:33:59,470
AI and I have a 30-second clip

3945
02:33:59,470 --> 02:34:03,290
here about their favorite word which is now

3946
02:34:03,290 --> 02:34:07,110
being used when it pertains to artificial intelligence

3947
02:34:07,110 --> 02:34:09,570
and the like I think a way to

3948
02:34:09,570 --> 02:34:11,450
assess how people are kind of feeling about

3949
02:34:11,450 --> 02:34:12,890
AI right now like a vibe check is

3950
02:34:12,890 --> 02:34:15,110
the emergence of this word clanker which has

3951
02:34:15,110 --> 02:34:17,230
been kind of getting memed around it's supposed

3952
02:34:17,230 --> 02:34:19,870
to be a negative way of talking about

3953
02:34:19,870 --> 02:34:22,550
some of these technologies oh that clanker you

3954
02:34:22,550 --> 02:34:24,010
know told me to do this or told

3955
02:34:24,010 --> 02:34:25,210
me to do that what do you think

3956
02:34:25,210 --> 02:34:26,610
is behind that trend I think you get

3957
02:34:26,610 --> 02:34:28,190
a couple things I think if you're looking

3958
02:34:28,190 --> 02:34:32,410
for evidence of an early sentiment of people

3959
02:34:32,410 --> 02:34:34,590
pushing back on AI pushing back on automation

3960
02:34:34,590 --> 02:34:37,730
this word is a really fascinating example of

3961
02:34:37,730 --> 02:34:39,590
that it's a slur it is something that

3962
02:34:39,590 --> 02:34:41,450
people are using very much as a slur

3963
02:34:41,450 --> 02:34:43,710
they're using as a derogatory term to try

3964
02:34:43,710 --> 02:34:47,410
to label something some sort of machine I

3965
02:34:47,410 --> 02:34:50,070
mean clanker or clunker I think we used

3966
02:34:50,070 --> 02:34:53,090
to use for a clunkers or a crappy

3967
02:34:53,090 --> 02:34:57,810
car yeah clanker is new but then and

3968
02:34:57,810 --> 02:34:59,230
this is from a Gen Z or who

3969
02:34:59,230 --> 02:35:01,550
sent me this he also sent me a

3970
02:35:01,550 --> 02:35:04,030
list of one wait wait there's a clanker

3971
02:35:04,030 --> 02:35:06,530
referring to the technology itself or the people

3972
02:35:06,530 --> 02:35:08,750
promoting it no no the technology is like

3973
02:35:08,750 --> 02:35:11,470
a wanker no no I'm thinking wanker clunker

3974
02:35:11,470 --> 02:35:14,630
wanker no the technology itself is like you

3975
02:35:14,630 --> 02:35:16,330
know the clanker told me like the AI

3976
02:35:16,330 --> 02:35:19,050
told me my chatbot told me the clanker

3977
02:35:19,050 --> 02:35:20,930
but they have a whole list of words

3978
02:35:20,930 --> 02:35:25,970
listen to these clanker rust monkey wire back

3979
02:35:25,970 --> 02:35:31,370
bolt muncher oil drinker battery burner copper blood

3980
02:35:31,370 --> 02:35:36,790
science project tinskin I like bolt muncher myself

3981
02:35:36,790 --> 02:35:42,390
battery burner bolt muncher these are good old

3982
02:35:42,390 --> 02:35:45,850
muncher a robot I like a robot bolt

3983
02:35:45,850 --> 02:35:49,650
muncher I like run that again clanker okay

3984
02:35:49,650 --> 02:35:52,830
clanker all right all right next one rust

3985
02:35:52,830 --> 02:35:56,710
monkey rust monkey what's a rust monkey well

3986
02:35:56,710 --> 02:36:00,270
that's it's a derogatory term for anything automatic

3987
02:36:00,270 --> 02:36:05,390
as in a rust like a robotics you

3988
02:36:05,390 --> 02:36:08,370
know they're taught that they're using terms for

3989
02:36:08,370 --> 02:36:11,630
robots but that's anything that's automated or technology

3990
02:36:11,630 --> 02:36:14,890
driven is how I understand it rust monkey

3991
02:36:14,890 --> 02:36:20,690
wire back wire back bolt muncher my favorite

3992
02:36:20,690 --> 02:36:25,070
bolt muncher oil drinker yeah she's for robots

3993
02:36:25,070 --> 02:36:28,010
oil drinker battery burner this is nice a

3994
02:36:28,010 --> 02:36:29,730
good one too but that's any phone is

3995
02:36:29,730 --> 02:36:33,690
just a battery burner copper blood copper blood

3996
02:36:33,690 --> 02:36:37,050
what copper blunt and copper blunt yeah I'm

3997
02:36:37,050 --> 02:36:42,050
here again copper blood copper blunt I'm not

3998
02:36:42,050 --> 02:36:43,870
sure what that is not sure next one

3999
02:36:43,870 --> 02:36:49,130
science project yeah in skin I think I

4000
02:36:49,130 --> 02:36:51,250
like battery burner and bolt muncher them at

4001
02:36:51,250 --> 02:36:55,180
the best well we'll see what these show

4002
02:36:55,180 --> 02:36:57,600
up in the wild we'll be on the

4003
02:36:57,600 --> 02:37:03,000
lookout for bolt munchers okay all right Thank

4004
02:37:03,000 --> 02:37:06,480
You Jen's ear okay the problem is we

4005
02:37:06,480 --> 02:37:09,080
got Jen's ears but they're broke you got

4006
02:37:09,080 --> 02:37:12,560
no money yeah well you know every everybody

4007
02:37:12,560 --> 02:37:14,660
can spare five bucks for a good show

4008
02:37:14,660 --> 02:37:16,440
I think it's the way I see it

4009
02:37:16,440 --> 02:37:21,880
Edward Jennings in Myrtle Beach South Carolina 225

4010
02:37:21,880 --> 02:37:25,000
I'd like to be a knight okay I

4011
02:37:25,000 --> 02:37:27,120
think this donation gets me there I would

4012
02:37:27,120 --> 02:37:31,340
like to be known as Eddie J from

4013
02:37:31,340 --> 02:37:35,000
West Haven Connecticut huh it's funny it says

4014
02:37:35,000 --> 02:37:37,400
Myrtle Beach South Carolina okay as far as

4015
02:37:37,400 --> 02:37:41,440
food I'll have a large special from the

4016
02:37:41,440 --> 02:37:46,200
parties a pizza and you guys can pick

4017
02:37:46,200 --> 02:37:49,400
the pick the rest all right how about

4018
02:37:49,400 --> 02:37:52,480
and I'll add to it a a Waco

4019
02:37:52,480 --> 02:37:52,940
dr.

4020
02:37:53,060 --> 02:37:56,660
pepper love you guys keep up the good

4021
02:37:56,660 --> 02:37:59,420
work great work that's great work thank you

4022
02:37:59,420 --> 02:38:03,140
and that's an associate executive producer same for

4023
02:38:03,140 --> 02:38:04,840
sure we only have one executive producer today

4024
02:38:04,840 --> 02:38:07,460
that was Jay Sean Holman is in Noblesville

4025
02:38:07,460 --> 02:38:11,240
Indiana to 1911 and says thank you Jesus

4026
02:38:11,240 --> 02:38:13,460
for Adam and John and from what my

4027
02:38:13,460 --> 02:38:16,720
wife Dame Liz we celebrated our ninth anniversary

4028
02:38:16,720 --> 02:38:19,920
by heading to the range and unloading extendo

4029
02:38:19,920 --> 02:38:23,500
mags with her platypus 1911 from stealth arms

4030
02:38:23,500 --> 02:38:28,000
God is good thank you for your courage

4031
02:38:28,000 --> 02:38:31,580
yes indeed there's nothing like it I still

4032
02:38:31,580 --> 02:38:36,000
haven't unloaded my platypus 1911 Michael Harris in

4033
02:38:36,000 --> 02:38:36,300
st.

4034
02:38:36,600 --> 02:38:38,920
Helena California that's up here in the wine

4035
02:38:38,920 --> 02:38:42,380
country 205 10 on he's got a note

4036
02:38:42,380 --> 02:38:45,780
which I have to go back and look

4037
02:38:45,780 --> 02:38:47,580
at do you have it I hurry about

4038
02:38:47,580 --> 02:38:48,880
do you have it I have once you

4039
02:38:48,880 --> 02:38:51,540
read it I TM gents I'm a sixth

4040
02:38:51,540 --> 02:38:57,040
generation California wine grape grower in Napa Wow

4041
02:38:57,040 --> 02:38:59,820
you should go visit him John I should

4042
02:38:59,820 --> 02:39:02,220
go visit I'm in need of some goat

4043
02:39:02,220 --> 02:39:06,160
enhanced grape selling karma for this harvest thank

4044
02:39:06,160 --> 02:39:09,540
you for your courage Michael Hannah from Muir

4045
02:39:09,540 --> 02:39:13,340
Hannah vineyards well we definitely want to enhance

4046
02:39:13,340 --> 02:39:15,440
your harvest please let us know how it

4047
02:39:15,440 --> 02:39:23,840
goes you've got karma and coming in with

4048
02:39:23,840 --> 02:39:26,380
$200 well I wonder if he's expecting a

4049
02:39:26,380 --> 02:39:28,500
bad harvest this year I haven't heard anything

4050
02:39:28,500 --> 02:39:30,400
I think he just he just wants to

4051
02:39:30,400 --> 02:39:32,320
make sure it's a good harvest because if

4052
02:39:32,320 --> 02:39:35,060
he had a bad harvest you remember there's

4053
02:39:35,060 --> 02:39:38,100
there's chemicals in the in all of the

4054
02:39:38,100 --> 02:39:41,760
California wines all of them have a lot

4055
02:39:41,760 --> 02:39:43,060
of it has to do with them putting

4056
02:39:43,060 --> 02:39:45,180
them in the way when they make it

4057
02:39:45,180 --> 02:39:47,620
well they have atrazine knows atrazine in the

4058
02:39:47,620 --> 02:39:52,120
everyone's yes yes the wine is turning I

4059
02:39:52,120 --> 02:39:54,200
don't believe that's true I drink a lot

4060
02:39:54,200 --> 02:39:56,420
of California wine I don't understand why there'd

4061
02:39:56,420 --> 02:40:00,340
be atrazine and coming in from Lakewood Colorado

4062
02:40:00,340 --> 02:40:03,160
with $200 there she is Linda Lou Patkins

4063
02:40:03,160 --> 02:40:05,700
she wants jobs karma and asks are you

4064
02:40:05,700 --> 02:40:08,720
worried about AI for a resume that gets

4065
02:40:08,720 --> 02:40:11,420
results tells your unique story and highlights the

4066
02:40:11,420 --> 02:40:14,840
value you bring go to image makers Inc

4067
02:40:14,840 --> 02:40:17,460
comm that's image makers Inc with a K

4068
02:40:17,460 --> 02:40:19,620
and work with Linda Lou she is the

4069
02:40:19,620 --> 02:40:22,760
duchess of jobs and writer of winning resumes

4070
02:40:22,760 --> 02:40:32,700
jobs jobs jobs and jobs and right

4071
02:40:32,700 --> 02:40:34,900
down the street from you actually used to

4072
02:40:34,900 --> 02:40:38,000
be anyway Baron Gordon Walton in Austin Texas

4073
02:40:38,000 --> 02:40:41,240
200 bucks in Baron Golan Walton he wants

4074
02:40:41,240 --> 02:40:44,000
this is for the complete the baronet for

4075
02:40:44,000 --> 02:40:48,260
John Walton and he says with enthusiasm in

4076
02:40:48,260 --> 02:40:51,140
the morning Baron Gordon Walton is it every

4077
02:40:51,140 --> 02:40:53,600
single no agenda Austin meetup he is in

4078
02:40:53,600 --> 02:40:55,880
fact the first person who drove me to

4079
02:40:55,880 --> 02:40:58,540
the very first meetup in Austin before I

4080
02:40:58,540 --> 02:41:00,580
even lived in Austin that's how long he's

4081
02:41:00,580 --> 02:41:02,280
been a part of the show and he

4082
02:41:02,280 --> 02:41:04,800
has made every single member of his family

4083
02:41:04,800 --> 02:41:08,380
a knight and above he is a true

4084
02:41:08,380 --> 02:41:11,040
true patron of the no agenda show and

4085
02:41:11,040 --> 02:41:13,580
not just that he's a baron and we

4086
02:41:13,580 --> 02:41:15,680
should probably read the next note because it's

4087
02:41:15,680 --> 02:41:19,500
actually $200 in Canadian Alan Bowes from Langley

4088
02:41:19,500 --> 02:41:24,320
BC Candinavia so that he says it was

4089
02:41:24,320 --> 02:41:28,740
$200 Canadian to give you only $139 US

4090
02:41:28,740 --> 02:41:31,180
but that's okay we honor the Canadian dollar

4091
02:41:31,180 --> 02:41:33,740
dues if you want to know why donations

4092
02:41:33,740 --> 02:41:35,740
from Canada are down you have to understand

4093
02:41:35,740 --> 02:41:39,060
that Canadians are broke due to taxation inflation

4094
02:41:39,060 --> 02:41:43,260
and the effect of unchecked immigration Carney's goal

4095
02:41:43,260 --> 02:41:46,040
is 5% of population next year highest

4096
02:41:46,040 --> 02:41:48,480
in the world yeah I'm seeing all kinds

4097
02:41:48,480 --> 02:41:52,620
of unhappy Canadians about that rent and home

4098
02:41:52,620 --> 02:41:57,000
ownership are unaffordable that's partially your dollar think

4099
02:41:57,000 --> 02:41:59,420
more than $2,000 per month for but

4100
02:41:59,420 --> 02:42:01,940
that's only ten bucks think more than $2

4101
02:42:01,940 --> 02:42:04,300
,000 per month for a one bedroom in

4102
02:42:04,300 --> 02:42:07,420
the sticks health care is unattainable due to

4103
02:42:07,420 --> 02:42:11,080
lack of services what I thought they had

4104
02:42:11,080 --> 02:42:15,180
a great system that's what everybody says we

4105
02:42:15,180 --> 02:42:18,880
are a country of mindless sheep that are

4106
02:42:18,880 --> 02:42:21,000
holding on to the handrails of the Titanic

4107
02:42:21,000 --> 02:42:23,540
as it goes down well now I feel

4108
02:42:23,540 --> 02:42:26,580
bad about complaining our only hope is that

4109
02:42:26,580 --> 02:42:28,540
we can change due to the influence of

4110
02:42:28,540 --> 02:42:31,500
President Trump Wow don't say that out loud

4111
02:42:31,500 --> 02:42:34,240
man the they might pick you up they

4112
02:42:34,240 --> 02:42:37,120
might roust you off the street well I'm

4113
02:42:37,120 --> 02:42:38,800
sorry to hear that Alan and I totally

4114
02:42:38,800 --> 02:42:42,000
believe it I totally believe it I mean

4115
02:42:42,000 --> 02:42:45,720
the prices are insane everywhere that's money printing

4116
02:42:45,720 --> 02:42:49,500
as far as I'm concerned so well yes

4117
02:42:49,500 --> 02:42:52,700
he came in but I since we have

4118
02:42:52,700 --> 02:42:55,200
Canada on the list I have a note

4119
02:42:55,200 --> 02:42:57,360
from a Canadian don't read bring in the

4120
02:42:57,360 --> 02:43:00,360
Canucks this is David are one of our

4121
02:43:00,360 --> 02:43:05,160
producers from Canada and he's bitching about my

4122
02:43:05,160 --> 02:43:07,320
clips the talk clips where these women from

4123
02:43:07,320 --> 02:43:11,480
Canada are complaining about Canada and he says

4124
02:43:11,480 --> 02:43:14,140
that woman doesn't know her head from her

4125
02:43:14,140 --> 02:43:18,760
arse I have lived in the Maritimes for

4126
02:43:18,760 --> 02:43:22,160
40 years especially New Brunswick we are short

4127
02:43:22,160 --> 02:43:26,260
over 100 millimeters of rain this past month

4128
02:43:26,260 --> 02:43:28,940
I have never seen it so dry well

4129
02:43:28,940 --> 02:43:34,240
water is running brown sucking only silly bottoms

4130
02:43:34,240 --> 02:43:39,480
firebombers patrolling the sky continuously looking for any

4131
02:43:39,480 --> 02:43:41,700
signs of a new forest fire we are

4132
02:43:41,700 --> 02:43:45,120
mostly small rural communities made up of local

4133
02:43:45,120 --> 02:43:49,160
volunteer fire departs departments with old but well

4134
02:43:49,160 --> 02:43:51,340
-maintained gear and who has to put that

4135
02:43:51,340 --> 02:43:54,120
in there yeah but well-maintained well we

4136
02:43:54,120 --> 02:43:57,580
can't chance forest fires we don't have the

4137
02:43:57,580 --> 02:44:02,060
resources to fight multiple fronts Wow they have

4138
02:44:02,060 --> 02:44:05,380
to ban everyone from the various woods because

4139
02:44:05,380 --> 02:44:08,400
there is a portion of the population that

4140
02:44:08,400 --> 02:44:12,760
is too stupid and selfish not to cause

4141
02:44:12,760 --> 02:44:16,160
a fire well they do that but they

4142
02:44:16,160 --> 02:44:19,940
look just like everyone else you can't tell

4143
02:44:19,940 --> 02:44:23,420
them from the outside it sucks he says

4144
02:44:23,420 --> 02:44:25,560
but not as much as a bunch of

4145
02:44:25,560 --> 02:44:30,260
people losing their homes and lives this is

4146
02:44:30,260 --> 02:44:34,620
not communism it's an administrative control we use

4147
02:44:34,620 --> 02:44:36,740
them all the time in industry to keep

4148
02:44:36,740 --> 02:44:41,000
dumb people from hurting themselves and others the

4149
02:44:41,000 --> 02:44:44,380
lady is an idiot probably couldn't find the

4150
02:44:44,380 --> 02:44:49,000
Maritimes on a map that's it Wow you

4151
02:44:49,000 --> 02:44:50,940
see it's a note like that that makes

4152
02:44:50,940 --> 02:44:53,200
me just want them to be our 51st

4153
02:44:53,200 --> 02:44:55,760
state that's a good guy right there yeah

4154
02:44:55,760 --> 02:44:58,300
well he's definitely telling you what his perspective

4155
02:44:58,300 --> 02:44:59,880
and he's letting the note be known and

4156
02:44:59,880 --> 02:45:01,780
we're we're reading it on the show so

4157
02:45:01,780 --> 02:45:04,240
we have balance we thank you very much

4158
02:45:04,240 --> 02:45:07,700
and you know you guys you came so

4159
02:45:07,700 --> 02:45:11,200
close remember how close you came to being

4160
02:45:11,200 --> 02:45:14,520
awesome man it was good it was good

4161
02:45:14,520 --> 02:45:16,260
you really tried I know you did you

4162
02:45:16,260 --> 02:45:26,260
can do it again we go out we

4163
02:45:26,260 --> 02:45:40,470
hit people in the mouth Oh

4164
02:45:43,330 --> 02:45:49,070
love love love love love love okay I

4165
02:45:49,070 --> 02:45:52,910
have a two little clips that go together

4166
02:45:54,030 --> 02:45:56,610
the first is an update from the Texas

4167
02:45:56,610 --> 02:45:59,810
situation here Texas situation what are we doing

4168
02:45:59,810 --> 02:46:02,630
with these runaway Democrats Texas Republicans have ended

4169
02:46:02,630 --> 02:46:06,290
a legislative session without approving new trump-backed

4170
02:46:06,290 --> 02:46:09,590
congressional maps however governor Greg Abbott has called

4171
02:46:09,590 --> 02:46:12,230
a second special session that may end up

4172
02:46:12,230 --> 02:46:15,490
with the GOP friendly maps getting passed Texas

4173
02:46:15,490 --> 02:46:17,630
Democrats who fled the state to stop the

4174
02:46:17,630 --> 02:46:20,090
plan from going forward say they're prepared to

4175
02:46:20,090 --> 02:46:22,430
end their standoff and return to the Capitol

4176
02:46:22,430 --> 02:46:25,670
those lawmakers appeared to be swayed after California

4177
02:46:25,670 --> 02:46:28,990
governor Gavin Newsom announced a special election in

4178
02:46:28,990 --> 02:46:32,130
his state lawmakers in California will begin working

4179
02:46:32,130 --> 02:46:34,950
next week on new maps designed to offset

4180
02:46:34,950 --> 02:46:38,630
the expected GOP gains in Texas and this

4181
02:46:38,630 --> 02:46:42,010
is really astounding because only due to the

4182
02:46:42,010 --> 02:46:45,210
no agenda show and you in particular mr.

4183
02:46:45,330 --> 02:46:50,090
California did we know that you cannot redistrict

4184
02:46:50,090 --> 02:46:55,850
California because of the California Constitution and so

4185
02:46:55,850 --> 02:46:58,470
I was kind of thinking like well you

4186
02:46:58,470 --> 02:47:01,550
know maybe Abbott will get those districts you

4187
02:47:01,550 --> 02:47:03,690
know it probably should happen because it's been

4188
02:47:03,690 --> 02:47:06,430
gerrymandered all over the place California can't do

4189
02:47:06,430 --> 02:47:09,910
anything and then Newsom comes up with a

4190
02:47:09,910 --> 02:47:16,910
gambit the election rigging response act which Californians

4191
02:47:16,910 --> 02:47:18,990
will be voting on I know they say

4192
02:47:18,990 --> 02:47:23,670
don't mess with Texas don't mess with the

4193
02:47:23,670 --> 02:47:28,250
great Golden State because Donald Trump on January

4194
02:47:28,250 --> 02:47:31,550
6th tried to light democracy on fire this

4195
02:47:31,550 --> 02:47:34,630
is very old cabin tried to wreck this

4196
02:47:34,630 --> 02:47:38,070
country tried to steal an election as Alex

4197
02:47:38,070 --> 02:47:40,370
just said by trying to dial in for

4198
02:47:40,370 --> 02:47:43,250
11 almost 12,000 votes it's not complicated

4199
02:47:43,250 --> 02:47:45,530
we're doing this in reaction to a president

4200
02:47:45,530 --> 02:47:48,130
United States that called a sitting governor of

4201
02:47:48,130 --> 02:47:49,890
the state of Texas and said find me

4202
02:47:49,890 --> 02:47:53,090
five seats this is a great call back

4203
02:47:53,090 --> 02:47:55,490
I have to say Gavin Newsom well done

4204
02:47:55,490 --> 02:47:58,170
and that's a call back to Virginia find

4205
02:47:58,170 --> 02:48:00,830
me these votes we're doing it in reaction

4206
02:48:00,830 --> 02:48:05,250
to that act sure we're doing it mindful

4207
02:48:05,250 --> 02:48:08,270
of our higher angels and better angels what

4208
02:48:08,270 --> 02:48:10,590
is that all about mindful of our higher

4209
02:48:10,590 --> 02:48:13,890
angels and better angels is that a term

4210
02:48:13,890 --> 02:48:16,190
you guys use in California I've never heard

4211
02:48:16,190 --> 02:48:17,870
it before I don't know what he's elusive

4212
02:48:17,870 --> 02:48:19,610
what he's smoking I have no idea but

4213
02:48:19,610 --> 02:48:21,990
by the way before you feel this was

4214
02:48:21,990 --> 02:48:25,650
when I discussed the problems with California redistricting

4215
02:48:26,290 --> 02:48:29,230
this was attempted before they put in place

4216
02:48:29,230 --> 02:48:32,610
the the Commission this was attempted I believe

4217
02:48:32,610 --> 02:48:34,850
it was 83 maybe 88 but I think

4218
02:48:34,850 --> 02:48:38,630
was 83 the Republicans when they were running

4219
02:48:38,630 --> 02:48:41,390
the state put on the ballot exactly what

4220
02:48:41,390 --> 02:48:43,570
he's doing in the state Supreme Court nixed

4221
02:48:43,570 --> 02:48:46,190
it and this precedent there's no way this

4222
02:48:46,190 --> 02:48:48,630
can even if it passes which is doubtful

4223
02:48:48,630 --> 02:48:51,870
because Californians don't we just don't put up

4224
02:48:51,870 --> 02:48:54,710
with this crap if even if it passes

4225
02:48:54,710 --> 02:48:57,530
it will probably be kicked out by the

4226
02:48:57,530 --> 02:48:59,950
Supreme Court and then Newsom will blame everybody

4227
02:48:59,950 --> 02:49:01,910
but you know he'll blame somehow blame trial

4228
02:49:01,910 --> 02:49:04,770
blame this is this is just showboating by

4229
02:49:04,770 --> 02:49:07,810
Newsom pathetic he'll blame the angels and the

4230
02:49:07,810 --> 02:49:11,490
higher angels we're doing it mindful of our

4231
02:49:11,490 --> 02:49:13,870
higher angels and better angels we're doing it

4232
02:49:13,870 --> 02:49:16,670
mindful that we want to model better behavior

4233
02:49:16,670 --> 02:49:19,290
as we've been doing for 15 years in

4234
02:49:19,290 --> 02:49:21,790
the state of California with our independent redistricting

4235
02:49:21,790 --> 02:49:26,350
Commission we're working through a very transparent temporary

4236
02:49:26,350 --> 02:49:30,750
and public process we're putting the maps on

4237
02:49:30,750 --> 02:49:33,310
the ballot and we're giving the power to

4238
02:49:33,310 --> 02:49:38,630
the people this will be the we'll be

4239
02:49:38,630 --> 02:49:41,250
asking for the people on November 4th a

4240
02:49:41,250 --> 02:49:44,050
special election coinciding with a lot of local

4241
02:49:44,050 --> 02:49:48,790
municipal elections to provide a temporary pathway for

4242
02:49:48,790 --> 02:49:53,170
congressional maps we will affirm our commitment to

4243
02:49:53,170 --> 02:49:56,370
the state independent redistricting after the 2030 census

4244
02:49:56,370 --> 02:49:59,070
but we're asking the voters for their consent

4245
02:49:59,070 --> 02:50:04,890
to do midterm redistricting in 2026 2028 and

4246
02:50:04,890 --> 02:50:08,350
2030 for the congressional maps to respond to

4247
02:50:08,350 --> 02:50:11,590
what's happening in Texas to respond what Trump

4248
02:50:11,590 --> 02:50:17,290
is trying to excite okay excite did he

4249
02:50:17,290 --> 02:50:24,530
mean insight to respond to respond what Trump

4250
02:50:24,530 --> 02:50:31,650
is trying to excite Trump stop exciting people

4251
02:50:31,650 --> 02:50:37,170
oh boy well that's just dandy so you

4252
02:50:37,170 --> 02:50:39,330
think it'll it'll never pass it'll never happen

4253
02:50:39,330 --> 02:50:41,030
if it does it'll get thrown I'd be

4254
02:50:41,030 --> 02:50:42,870
shocked if it passed and then it will

4255
02:50:42,870 --> 02:50:45,410
be shut down and this is just this

4256
02:50:45,410 --> 02:50:47,670
is just him getting as much attention as

4257
02:50:47,670 --> 02:50:50,770
he can getting in the news and getting

4258
02:50:50,770 --> 02:50:52,750
everybody all worked up he knows he can't

4259
02:50:52,750 --> 02:50:56,570
do anything really why does California care what

4260
02:50:56,570 --> 02:51:00,250
you guys do in Texas well it's it's

4261
02:51:00,250 --> 02:51:04,390
the midterms man it's a midterm what difference

4262
02:51:04,390 --> 02:51:08,530
does it make at this point so I

4263
02:51:08,530 --> 02:51:11,430
think it was six weeks ago Texas Slim

4264
02:51:11,430 --> 02:51:15,030
stopped by me and we had dinner he

4265
02:51:15,030 --> 02:51:18,830
was handing out $10,000 worth of ground

4266
02:51:18,830 --> 02:51:24,350
beef in the flood stricken area 20 minutes

4267
02:51:24,350 --> 02:51:26,650
down the road he's been working with the

4268
02:51:26,650 --> 02:51:28,990
mercy chefs and he stopped by the house

4269
02:51:28,990 --> 02:51:31,350
and we shared a ribeye together and we

4270
02:51:31,350 --> 02:51:33,650
caught up and it's always good to hear

4271
02:51:33,650 --> 02:51:38,410
from Slim and he mentioned something at the

4272
02:51:38,410 --> 02:51:40,690
time which I only took a little bit

4273
02:51:40,690 --> 02:51:42,970
of note of he said oh yeah man

4274
02:51:42,970 --> 02:51:46,010
good because he's been right he said the

4275
02:51:46,010 --> 02:51:48,450
herd has been depleted we're going into a

4276
02:51:48,450 --> 02:51:53,570
complete beef shortage he said look at the

4277
02:51:53,570 --> 02:51:55,750
futures the futures for beef are up the

4278
02:51:55,750 --> 02:52:00,370
futures for the inputs of the commodity cowboys

4279
02:52:00,370 --> 02:52:03,710
so that's corn basically those futures are all

4280
02:52:03,710 --> 02:52:06,090
down because they just don't have enough cattle

4281
02:52:06,090 --> 02:52:08,190
except of course if you're in the know

4282
02:52:08,190 --> 02:52:10,970
with the beef initiative and you can find

4283
02:52:10,970 --> 02:52:12,630
one of the ranches near you I think

4284
02:52:12,630 --> 02:52:14,970
it's a beef initiative calm is the is

4285
02:52:14,970 --> 02:52:16,250
the map and you can get it directly

4286
02:52:16,250 --> 02:52:18,690
from a rancher and he said and then

4287
02:52:18,690 --> 02:52:21,490
he says we got the screw worm I'm

4288
02:52:21,490 --> 02:52:25,130
not like what oh yeah the screw that's

4289
02:52:25,130 --> 02:52:26,710
funny you brought this up because I had

4290
02:52:26,710 --> 02:52:29,990
clips that I don't have them on this

4291
02:52:29,990 --> 02:52:32,390
today's show but the screw worm clips that

4292
02:52:32,390 --> 02:52:35,030
everybody's claiming that you write about the screw

4293
02:52:35,030 --> 02:52:37,730
worm on any social media and you'll get

4294
02:52:37,730 --> 02:52:41,490
blocked here's a here's a quick little just

4295
02:52:41,490 --> 02:52:43,610
a quick hit our next event taking us

4296
02:52:43,610 --> 02:52:46,510
out to Austin Texas where just moments ago

4297
02:52:46,510 --> 02:52:49,410
a press conference did wrap up from Governor

4298
02:52:49,410 --> 02:52:51,510
Abbott as well as Secretary Rollins as they

4299
02:52:51,510 --> 02:52:54,850
were hosting this press conference on the New

4300
02:52:54,850 --> 02:52:57,110
World screw worm so all of this is

4301
02:52:57,110 --> 02:53:00,510
coming after back on June 25th Governor Greg

4302
02:53:00,510 --> 02:53:03,390
Abbott directed the Texas Parks and Wildlife Department

4303
02:53:03,390 --> 02:53:05,570
as well as the Texas Animal Health Commission

4304
02:53:05,570 --> 02:53:08,330
to establish a joint in Texas New World

4305
02:53:08,330 --> 02:53:11,930
screw worm response team following the recent northward

4306
02:53:11,930 --> 02:53:14,710
spread of the New World screw worm it's

4307
02:53:14,710 --> 02:53:16,130
an insect it kind of looks like a

4308
02:53:16,130 --> 02:53:18,470
fly if you are wondering what a screw

4309
02:53:18,470 --> 02:53:21,630
worm is so the screw worm burrows itself

4310
02:53:21,630 --> 02:53:25,750
into the head of the cow and essentially

4311
02:53:25,750 --> 02:53:29,870
eats his brains out the screw worm was

4312
02:53:29,870 --> 02:53:32,690
under control until the kovat and the Biden

4313
02:53:32,690 --> 02:53:37,930
administration huh we we used to spray it

4314
02:53:37,930 --> 02:53:40,890
was pushed down saw I think almost south

4315
02:53:40,890 --> 02:53:44,450
of Mexico somewhere into maybe Central America we

4316
02:53:44,450 --> 02:53:49,210
used to spray or drop boatloads millions and

4317
02:53:49,210 --> 02:53:54,710
millions of infertile screw worm mates oh I

4318
02:53:54,710 --> 02:53:57,090
think there's males like the mosquito gambit from

4319
02:53:57,090 --> 02:53:59,790
game like the mosquito mosquito gambit and we

4320
02:53:59,790 --> 02:54:02,470
had kept the screw worm at bay the

4321
02:54:02,470 --> 02:54:06,850
program was canceled because of kovat no no

4322
02:54:06,850 --> 02:54:10,250
and it and the screw started inching their

4323
02:54:10,250 --> 02:54:12,970
way back up north and to the point

4324
02:54:12,970 --> 02:54:14,610
where they're back in the United States and

4325
02:54:14,610 --> 02:54:17,710
the Trump administration has not picked up on

4326
02:54:17,710 --> 02:54:20,770
this at all and nobody else has and

4327
02:54:20,770 --> 02:54:22,130
if you write about this and put it

4328
02:54:22,130 --> 02:54:23,950
on social media and talk and bitch and

4329
02:54:23,950 --> 02:54:26,190
well people should look this up and get

4330
02:54:26,190 --> 02:54:29,310
some more details you will get banned you

4331
02:54:29,310 --> 02:54:31,270
did you get not to be talked about

4332
02:54:31,270 --> 02:54:36,150
what banned on what reason is verboten on

4333
02:54:36,150 --> 02:54:41,110
X on everything and and is this can

4334
02:54:41,110 --> 02:54:43,710
the screw worm burrow itself into human beings

4335
02:54:43,710 --> 02:54:46,730
yeah I can it usually doesn't but hold

4336
02:54:46,730 --> 02:54:49,990
on a second so error tell me about

4337
02:54:49,990 --> 02:54:51,950
the screw worm can it burrow into my

4338
02:54:51,950 --> 02:54:58,870
brain and eat it so about the screw

4339
02:54:58,870 --> 02:55:01,650
worm it's a nasty parasitic fly that lays

4340
02:55:01,650 --> 02:55:04,770
eggs and open wounds or mucus membranes the

4341
02:55:04,770 --> 02:55:07,430
new world screw worm or cochlea myriada hominid

4342
02:55:07,430 --> 02:55:09,830
vorax is the one you're likely hearing about

4343
02:55:09,830 --> 02:55:12,890
it's larvae hatch and burrow into living tissue

4344
02:55:12,890 --> 02:55:15,190
feeding on it which can cause a condition

4345
02:55:15,190 --> 02:55:18,830
called meiosis it's mostly a problem for livestock

4346
02:55:18,830 --> 02:55:21,590
but humans can get infected especially if they

4347
02:55:21,590 --> 02:55:24,350
have untreated wounds or sores it's been making

4348
02:55:24,350 --> 02:55:27,130
a comeback in Central America with cases reported

4349
02:55:27,130 --> 02:55:30,430
in places like Nicaragua and Mexico now can

4350
02:55:30,430 --> 02:55:32,110
it burrow into your brain and eat it

4351
02:55:32,110 --> 02:55:35,630
that's a terrifying thought but it's extremely rare

4352
02:55:35,630 --> 02:55:38,730
there have been cases like in Nicaragua where

4353
02:55:38,730 --> 02:55:41,450
larvae got into dangerous areas and one report

4354
02:55:41,450 --> 02:55:43,750
mentioned a patient needing urgent treatment to prevent

4355
02:55:43,750 --> 02:55:46,090
brain damage if the larvae get into a

4356
02:55:46,090 --> 02:55:48,230
critical spot like through the nose or an

4357
02:55:48,230 --> 02:55:51,050
open head wound they could theoretically cause serious

4358
02:55:51,050 --> 02:55:53,810
harm by burrowing deeper but this isn't common

4359
02:55:53,810 --> 02:55:56,530
most human cases involve skin oh my god

4360
02:55:56,530 --> 02:56:02,670
so long be quiet just know screw worm

4361
02:56:02,670 --> 02:56:06,350
hmm yeah she's wordy it's barely now we

4362
02:56:06,350 --> 02:56:09,770
know more yeah it's a flesh-eating disease

4363
02:56:09,770 --> 02:56:13,530
basically flesh-eating bug huh and you get

4364
02:56:13,530 --> 02:56:16,470
blocked well they didn't block uh the the

4365
02:56:16,470 --> 02:56:18,190
bot they didn't block they used to block

4366
02:56:18,190 --> 02:56:21,510
them hmm they had that thing under control

4367
02:56:21,510 --> 02:56:24,010
until uh covid where you had you said

4368
02:56:24,010 --> 02:56:25,330
you had clips because i'm looking i don't

4369
02:56:25,330 --> 02:56:27,590
see any i know i i right there

4370
02:56:27,590 --> 02:56:29,490
were no i had clips i don't even

4371
02:56:29,490 --> 02:56:31,470
know if i produced them i mean for

4372
02:56:31,470 --> 02:56:34,030
some reason it got left on the on

4373
02:56:34,030 --> 02:56:35,830
the cutting all i have is but i

4374
02:56:35,830 --> 02:56:38,150
do know about i know the basis because

4375
02:56:38,150 --> 02:56:39,990
it came up at the dinner table all

4376
02:56:39,990 --> 02:56:42,290
i have is screw your freedom i don't

4377
02:56:42,290 --> 02:56:45,810
have any other screw any other screw clips

4378
02:56:45,810 --> 02:56:49,750
it's too bad screw your freedom no well

4379
02:56:49,750 --> 02:56:51,970
we should uh do some more discussion of

4380
02:56:51,970 --> 02:56:53,730
the screw worm because it's a huge problem

4381
02:56:53,730 --> 02:56:55,670
he's a texas lemon would be the first

4382
02:56:55,670 --> 02:56:57,510
guy to notice it because he's in texas

4383
02:56:57,510 --> 02:57:00,050
and he's a rancher yeah he's a rancher

4384
02:57:00,050 --> 02:57:02,430
he knows they're doing they're basically they they

4385
02:57:02,430 --> 02:57:05,250
lost the plot on on this thing and

4386
02:57:05,250 --> 02:57:08,830
it's gotten back into the country that's not

4387
02:57:08,830 --> 02:57:15,120
good okay um what other good news do

4388
02:57:15,120 --> 02:57:16,100
you have well i do have some climate

4389
02:57:16,100 --> 02:57:18,680
change stuff oh well due to climate change

4390
02:57:18,680 --> 02:57:20,520
i'm i'm all in let it be our

4391
02:57:20,520 --> 02:57:22,640
last uh happy news and by the way

4392
02:57:22,640 --> 02:57:26,260
i believe they'll blame climate climate change for

4393
02:57:26,260 --> 02:57:31,760
the screw worm oh you watch it's fun

4394
02:57:31,760 --> 02:57:33,900
it's more fun to blame uh the biden

4395
02:57:33,900 --> 02:57:38,140
administration honestly you know i'm blaming everybody okay

4396
02:57:38,140 --> 02:57:39,600
all right what do we got here this

4397
02:57:39,600 --> 02:57:41,900
is the i got a series of clips

4398
02:57:41,900 --> 02:57:44,560
on climate change and the epa and how

4399
02:57:44,560 --> 02:57:47,220
they're and the epa uh this is a

4400
02:57:47,220 --> 02:57:50,920
funny series of clips the classic pbs stuff

4401
02:57:50,920 --> 02:57:52,800
where they bring an expert on and she

4402
02:57:52,800 --> 02:57:54,580
just yaks about stuff she doesn't know anything

4403
02:57:54,580 --> 02:57:57,760
about oh perfect uh well you're here right

4404
02:57:57,760 --> 02:58:00,440
at the beginning last month the trump administration

4405
02:58:00,440 --> 02:58:05,160
proposed revoking the landmark 2009 scientific finding that's

4406
02:58:05,160 --> 02:58:07,760
been the basis for epa regulation of greenhouse

4407
02:58:07,760 --> 02:58:10,580
gas emissions under the clean air act if

4408
02:58:10,580 --> 02:58:12,780
the proposal is finalized it's almost certain to

4409
02:58:12,780 --> 02:58:15,060
be challenged in court and if the administration

4410
02:58:15,060 --> 02:58:18,240
succeeds experts warned that it could jeopardize the

4411
02:58:18,240 --> 02:58:23,620
health of millions of americans especially children pediatrician

4412
02:58:23,620 --> 02:58:26,240
deborah hendrickson is a clinical professor at the

4413
02:58:26,240 --> 02:58:28,700
university of nevada medical school and the author

4414
02:58:28,700 --> 02:58:31,960
of the air they breathe a pediatrician on

4415
02:58:31,960 --> 02:58:34,760
the front lines of climate change dr hendrickson

4416
02:58:34,760 --> 02:58:37,060
what would be the effect of revoking this

4417
02:58:37,060 --> 02:58:40,400
finding on the health of americans especially children

4418
02:58:40,400 --> 02:58:44,200
oh boy yeah we're all gonna die children

4419
02:58:44,200 --> 02:58:50,080
first brother so they bring a pediatrician on

4420
02:58:50,080 --> 02:58:54,380
to discuss the effects of lessening the co2

4421
02:58:54,380 --> 02:58:56,960
requirements is basically all this is is they

4422
02:58:56,960 --> 02:58:59,360
backed off in the co2 requirements they because

4423
02:58:59,360 --> 02:59:01,680
somebody yeah so we can make we can

4424
02:59:01,680 --> 02:59:03,720
make the math we can make muscle cars

4425
02:59:03,720 --> 02:59:06,200
again yeah did the math and said this

4426
02:59:06,200 --> 02:59:09,100
is bullcrap but okay we're gonna have we're

4427
02:59:09,100 --> 02:59:11,120
all gonna die and here we now the

4428
02:59:11,120 --> 02:59:16,340
pediatrician who is a doctor for children probably

4429
02:59:16,340 --> 02:59:19,220
corrupting but she's a teacher too she's teaching

4430
02:59:19,220 --> 02:59:21,940
one of the universities but she's a doctor

4431
02:59:21,940 --> 02:59:24,120
for children but somehow she's an expert on

4432
02:59:24,120 --> 02:59:27,220
climate oh interesting dr hendrickson what would be

4433
02:59:27,220 --> 02:59:30,200
the effect of revoking this finding on the

4434
02:59:30,200 --> 02:59:34,200
health of americans especially children well this uh

4435
02:59:34,200 --> 02:59:35,840
if they revoke this finding it knocks out

4436
02:59:35,840 --> 02:59:37,940
a major pillar in our fight against the

4437
02:59:37,940 --> 02:59:40,560
growing you know wildfires rising heat waves and

4438
02:59:40,560 --> 02:59:43,300
worsening floods and hurricanes we've been seeing for

4439
02:59:43,300 --> 02:59:45,500
the past two decades and it makes it

4440
02:59:45,500 --> 02:59:47,920
more likely that all of these problems will

4441
02:59:47,920 --> 02:59:50,020
uh continue to get worse in the future

4442
02:59:50,020 --> 02:59:52,980
okay so that's wait a minute that's gonna

4443
02:59:52,980 --> 02:59:55,400
kill the pediatrician but somehow now she's a

4444
02:59:55,400 --> 02:59:58,980
weather expert and by the way that that

4445
02:59:58,980 --> 03:00:01,780
hurricane has been downgraded they're all bummed about

4446
03:00:01,780 --> 03:00:04,780
it oh it went from a one to

4447
03:00:04,780 --> 03:00:06,940
a five and now it's downgraded again erin

4448
03:00:06,940 --> 03:00:09,340
and now it's a wet fart yeah there's

4449
03:00:09,340 --> 03:00:13,220
nothing it's no good oh yeah sorry that's

4450
03:00:13,220 --> 03:00:15,820
a shame okay uh here she goes she's

4451
03:00:15,820 --> 03:00:17,280
gonna now she's gonna be an expert in

4452
03:00:17,280 --> 03:00:19,820
something else here we go and failing to

4453
03:00:19,820 --> 03:00:21,840
stop this process to me is you know

4454
03:00:21,840 --> 03:00:23,880
a crime against children in my view because

4455
03:00:23,880 --> 03:00:25,920
not only are they going to inherit the

4456
03:00:25,920 --> 03:00:28,200
hotter more dangerous and more chaotic world that

4457
03:00:28,200 --> 03:00:31,160
we're creating but they're already more vulnerable to

4458
03:00:31,160 --> 03:00:33,280
the growing health hazards of that world and

4459
03:00:33,280 --> 03:00:35,840
we're already seeing that uh things like worsening

4460
03:00:35,840 --> 03:00:39,000
air pollution rising heat waves uh and and

4461
03:00:39,000 --> 03:00:41,320
the trauma of natural disasters and so we're

4462
03:00:41,320 --> 03:00:43,280
losing many of the gains we've had over

4463
03:00:43,280 --> 03:00:45,520
the past century in uh you know infant

4464
03:00:45,520 --> 03:00:49,360
mortality and children's health and welfare explain that

4465
03:00:49,360 --> 03:00:51,640
you said their children are more vulnerable explain

4466
03:00:51,640 --> 03:00:53,760
that yeah so there's a long list of

4467
03:00:53,760 --> 03:00:56,100
reasons why children are more vulnerable but particularly

4468
03:00:56,100 --> 03:00:59,280
children under five and there's three major reasons

4469
03:00:59,280 --> 03:01:00,920
that we talk about most one is that

4470
03:01:00,920 --> 03:01:03,320
their physiology is different that's the way their

4471
03:01:03,320 --> 03:01:05,620
bodies work so we often say in pediatrics

4472
03:01:05,620 --> 03:01:08,120
that children are not just small adults and

4473
03:01:08,120 --> 03:01:09,680
that's because you can't just take the same

4474
03:01:09,680 --> 03:01:11,900
calculations and assumptions you would for an adult

4475
03:01:11,900 --> 03:01:14,340
and apply them to a small child the

4476
03:01:14,340 --> 03:01:16,340
second big reason is that they're smaller in

4477
03:01:16,340 --> 03:01:18,660
size and the third reason is that their

4478
03:01:18,660 --> 03:01:21,560
organs and body systems are still developing and

4479
03:01:21,560 --> 03:01:24,280
can be easily derailed by pollutants and environmental

4480
03:01:24,280 --> 03:01:27,120
harm so for example if a city is

4481
03:01:27,120 --> 03:01:29,760
engulfed in smoke like my city reno often

4482
03:01:29,760 --> 03:01:32,560
is um and a baby or toddler in

4483
03:01:32,560 --> 03:01:35,300
that city is breathing uh breathing that smoke

4484
03:01:35,300 --> 03:01:38,980
they breathe faster than their parents and they

4485
03:01:38,980 --> 03:01:41,380
are taking in more air pollution per pound

4486
03:01:41,380 --> 03:01:43,720
of weight and their lungs and brain are

4487
03:01:43,720 --> 03:01:47,460
still developing and can be adversely affected by

4488
03:01:47,460 --> 03:01:52,480
that pollution oh man you know what it's

4489
03:01:52,480 --> 03:01:55,660
like sucking in soot that's right sucking in

4490
03:01:55,660 --> 03:01:59,960
soot sucking in soot yeah that's faster than

4491
03:01:59,960 --> 03:02:04,260
adults baby so she's in reno where mimi

4492
03:02:04,260 --> 03:02:07,100
was raised and mimi i taught her told

4493
03:02:07,100 --> 03:02:08,560
her about this clip and she said well

4494
03:02:08,560 --> 03:02:11,160
it's always it's always been hot in reno

4495
03:02:11,160 --> 03:02:13,180
in the summer it's like a new thing

4496
03:02:13,180 --> 03:02:15,400
but okay here we go for your book

4497
03:02:15,400 --> 03:02:16,680
i know that you spoke to a lot

4498
03:02:16,680 --> 03:02:19,480
of young people about growing up in areas

4499
03:02:19,480 --> 03:02:23,260
with she has a book that's why she's

4500
03:02:23,260 --> 03:02:26,100
on with heavy pollution well what did they

4501
03:02:26,100 --> 03:02:27,200
tell you what are the sorts of things

4502
03:02:27,200 --> 03:02:29,480
they told you um you know in in

4503
03:02:29,480 --> 03:02:31,360
our town it causes a lot of um

4504
03:02:31,360 --> 03:02:34,380
distress uh and mental health problems because we've

4505
03:02:34,380 --> 03:02:36,640
been encased in smoke sometimes for eight to

4506
03:02:36,640 --> 03:02:39,220
ten weeks at a time in 2021 there

4507
03:02:39,220 --> 03:02:42,040
were two huge wildfires nearby and as the

4508
03:02:42,040 --> 03:02:43,580
weeks wore on you know it's very hard

4509
03:02:43,580 --> 03:02:45,900
on everyone's mental health but a lot of

4510
03:02:45,900 --> 03:02:48,640
kids i think adolescents i'm talking about primarily

4511
03:02:48,640 --> 03:02:51,400
feel kind of betrayed that nothing has been

4512
03:02:51,400 --> 03:02:53,960
done about this problem to to help ensure

4513
03:02:53,960 --> 03:02:56,620
a better future for them epa director lee

4514
03:02:56,620 --> 03:02:58,880
zeldin when he announced this proposal said that

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the finding twisted the law ignored precedent and

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03:03:02,500 --> 03:03:05,640
warped science to achieve their preferred ends what

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03:03:05,640 --> 03:03:07,360
do you say to that i i think

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that's exactly the opposite of the truth i

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mean i think that the statement they released

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by um the five scientists are kind of

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known for being contrarians on this topic that

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they that that if they reverse it it

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03:03:19,940 --> 03:03:23,100
is disregarding the science uh jeopardizing public health

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03:03:23,100 --> 03:03:26,720
direct contradiction to their mandate to protect public

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03:03:26,720 --> 03:03:30,140
health under the clean clean air act doctor

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03:03:30,140 --> 03:03:32,700
you practice in reno nevada which is uh

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by some accounts the fastest warming city in

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03:03:35,520 --> 03:03:40,620
the united states you know what they don't

4529
03:03:40,620 --> 03:03:43,320
how can one place be fastest warm if

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03:03:43,320 --> 03:03:45,540
they if you have global warming it's the

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03:03:45,540 --> 03:03:47,540
word what is the word global mean to

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03:03:47,540 --> 03:03:52,480
you um means around the world so how

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03:03:52,480 --> 03:03:54,800
is one place the fastest warming and we

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03:03:54,800 --> 03:03:56,240
have we heard this over the years we've

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03:03:56,240 --> 03:03:59,280
done this during the no agenda era we've

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03:03:59,280 --> 03:04:02,840
heard alaska's fastest warming this place is the

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03:04:02,840 --> 03:04:05,300
fastest warming one place or another times many

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03:04:05,300 --> 03:04:08,660
times yes many many times and it's never

4539
03:04:08,660 --> 03:04:18,660
made sense you can play the last

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03:04:18,660 --> 03:04:20,600
of it what do you see in your

4541
03:04:20,600 --> 03:04:23,280
practice and the patients you see yeah so

4542
03:04:23,280 --> 03:04:25,180
when we get engulfed in smoke it's called

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03:04:25,180 --> 03:04:27,260
a smoke wave that'll come over because we're

4544
03:04:27,260 --> 03:04:29,280
10 miles from the california border so when

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03:04:29,280 --> 03:04:33,240
the big california we get we're downwind immediately

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03:04:33,240 --> 03:04:35,220
down land and we really get hit by

4547
03:04:35,220 --> 03:04:37,340
it and the clinic and the hospital will

4548
03:04:37,340 --> 03:04:39,840
fill with kids wheezing and coughing you know

4549
03:04:39,840 --> 03:04:42,000
we've had kids the pediatric ward will fill

4550
03:04:42,000 --> 03:04:44,740
up with kids on oxygen during heat waves

4551
03:04:44,740 --> 03:04:46,560
which often go with uh you know we

4552
03:04:46,560 --> 03:04:48,360
usually have a heat wave before the smoke

4553
03:04:48,360 --> 03:04:50,680
hits because the the heat will trigger the

4554
03:04:50,680 --> 03:04:53,180
fire to start we often see kids fainting

4555
03:04:53,180 --> 03:04:56,260
and athletic practices uh you know there's been

4556
03:04:56,260 --> 03:04:58,760
studies showing that pediatric er visits go up

4557
03:04:58,760 --> 03:05:01,900
17 percent when in hot weather and and

4558
03:05:01,900 --> 03:05:04,540
smoke waves also increase asthma visits by up

4559
03:05:04,540 --> 03:05:06,960
to 78 according to one study of the

4560
03:05:06,960 --> 03:05:10,620
campfire in 2018 so these uh these events

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03:05:10,620 --> 03:05:12,980
have a huge impact on children's immediate health

4562
03:05:12,980 --> 03:05:15,140
and because they affect development like i mentioned

4563
03:05:15,140 --> 03:05:17,620
they can have a lifelong impact as well

4564
03:05:17,620 --> 03:05:20,420
dr deborah hendrickson of the university nevada medical

4565
03:05:20,420 --> 03:05:22,620
school thank you very much thank you for

4566
03:05:22,620 --> 03:05:27,440
wasting our time with your nonsense boy oh

4567
03:05:27,440 --> 03:05:31,440
boy well that's really uplifting john thanks that's

4568
03:05:31,440 --> 03:05:33,800
welcome you had nothing like a little climate

4569
03:05:33,800 --> 03:05:36,860
change at the end of the show won't

4570
03:05:36,860 --> 03:05:39,760
somebody please think of the children due to

4571
03:05:39,760 --> 03:05:42,720
climate change i'm gonna show my support by

4572
03:05:42,720 --> 03:05:45,300
donating to no agenda imagine all the people

4573
03:05:45,300 --> 03:05:47,020
who could do that oh yeah that'd be

4574
03:05:47,020 --> 03:05:56,500
fun we still do have an official john

4575
03:05:56,500 --> 03:05:57,700
c dvorak tip of the day we've got

4576
03:05:57,700 --> 03:05:59,540
a couple end of show mixes we do

4577
03:05:59,540 --> 03:06:01,580
have a meetup report and a few meetups

4578
03:06:01,580 --> 03:06:03,780
quite a few meetups that we need to

4579
03:06:03,780 --> 03:06:06,400
promote and right now john's going to take

4580
03:06:06,400 --> 03:06:08,080
just a moment to thank the rest of

4581
03:06:08,080 --> 03:06:11,200
our supporters $50 and above and we go

4582
03:06:11,200 --> 03:06:13,340
back to austin texas with mr uh good

4583
03:06:13,340 --> 03:06:16,960
cock in uh oh i'm sorry good book

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03:06:16,960 --> 03:06:25,720
uh 105 35 jason marr in vancouver washington

4585
03:06:25,720 --> 03:06:33,440
100 tim freeman in placerville california 84 38

4586
03:06:34,190 --> 03:06:37,380
kind of where uh brunetti lives oh really

4587
03:06:37,380 --> 03:06:42,080
he's a de-douching okay you've been de

4588
03:06:42,080 --> 03:06:46,220
-douched all right there he is kevin mclaughlin

4589
03:06:46,220 --> 03:06:50,480
8008 uh boobs donation he's the archduke of

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03:06:50,480 --> 03:06:54,340
luna lover america lover of melons and he

4591
03:06:54,340 --> 03:06:57,760
says god bless america yes he somehow associates

4592
03:06:57,760 --> 03:07:02,860
that with boobs david kekta san tan valley

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03:07:02,860 --> 03:07:06,520
arizona 73 73 and he 73s that's our

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03:07:06,520 --> 03:07:08,400
ham donation we also have a ham donation

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03:07:08,400 --> 03:07:10,800
from but wait he says jeremy mack is

4596
03:07:10,800 --> 03:07:17,100
a douchebag jeremy mack is a douchebag thunder

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03:07:17,100 --> 03:07:22,060
thunder leg thunder leg in western australia uh

4598
03:07:22,060 --> 03:07:25,880
73 73s then 73s i don't know if

4599
03:07:25,880 --> 03:07:28,200
they said that means anything in australia yeah

4600
03:07:28,200 --> 03:07:32,540
or they got momentum finance momentum finance llc

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03:07:32,540 --> 03:07:37,880
parts unknown 72 72 it's finance momentum finance

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03:07:37,880 --> 03:07:43,260
momentum finance dame becky in arlington washington hey

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03:07:43,260 --> 03:07:48,740
dame becky 6996 dame nancy in san bruno

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03:07:48,740 --> 03:07:56,500
57 21 um the ne5532 op amp was

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03:07:56,500 --> 03:08:00,520
designed by cygnetics in 1973 ah that's i

4606
03:08:00,520 --> 03:08:04,400
said national arian the youngster and brought cheap

4607
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low noise and low distortion small digital audio

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amplification to the masses yes 55 32 is

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her donation i think uh that's his it's

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03:08:15,520 --> 03:08:17,920
arian i think it's him oh arian oh

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03:08:17,920 --> 03:08:20,100
arian okay well yeah well i think the

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03:08:20,100 --> 03:08:25,920
50 53 32 was powering clean feed i

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03:08:25,920 --> 03:08:27,560
don't think that i don't think so either

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i don't think they make that anymore i

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03:08:29,360 --> 03:08:31,940
don't think so either in fact cygnetics but

4616
03:08:31,940 --> 03:08:38,320
even probably probably gone uh christopher depth uh

4617
03:08:38,320 --> 03:08:42,220
no relation to johnny georgetown kentucky 52 72

4618
03:08:42,220 --> 03:08:44,640
he's got a birthday chris lewinsky in sherwood

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03:08:44,640 --> 03:08:47,180
park alberta 50 now these are the 50s

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already and there's only four of them uh

4621
03:08:49,480 --> 03:08:53,060
easy landscapes easy landscapes in north stonington connecticut

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03:08:53,060 --> 03:08:55,520
philip baloo in louisville kentucky and last on

4623
03:08:55,520 --> 03:08:57,920
our very incredibly short list for some unknown

4624
03:08:57,920 --> 03:09:01,300
reason this list is short short and we're

4625
03:09:01,300 --> 03:09:04,820
done because chris cowan and another austonian that's

4626
03:09:04,820 --> 03:09:08,620
very interesting austin texas texas is well represented

4627
03:09:08,620 --> 03:09:11,080
in today's show texas is keeping the show

4628
03:09:11,080 --> 03:09:14,640
afloat texas is keeping the show afloat face

4629
03:09:14,640 --> 03:09:18,640
it where's the california people that's right thank

4630
03:09:18,640 --> 03:09:20,580
you very much to these producers we do

4631
03:09:20,580 --> 03:09:22,740
not mention anything under 50 for reasons of

4632
03:09:22,740 --> 03:09:25,600
anonymity but we do appreciate you and for

4633
03:09:25,600 --> 03:09:28,720
those who regularly support the show with a

4634
03:09:28,720 --> 03:09:31,400
recurring donation you can do that at noagenda

4635
03:09:31,400 --> 03:09:34,220
donations.com any amount any frequency it's up

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03:09:34,220 --> 03:09:36,420
to you whatever value you get out of

4637
03:09:36,420 --> 03:09:38,300
the show send it back to us to

4638
03:09:38,300 --> 03:09:47,420
keep the show going noagenda donations.com only

4639
03:09:47,420 --> 03:09:49,080
two birthdays that we have on the list

4640
03:09:49,080 --> 03:09:51,860
today christopher says happy birthday to casey depp

4641
03:09:51,860 --> 03:09:55,080
who turned 50 on the 15th and sir

4642
03:09:55,080 --> 03:09:58,380
william of pence west pennsylvania says happy birthday

4643
03:09:58,380 --> 03:10:01,280
to dc girl a dc girl and she'll

4644
03:10:01,280 --> 03:10:03,740
be celebrating tomorrow happy birthday to these two

4645
03:10:03,740 --> 03:10:06,140
from everybody here at the best podcast in

4646
03:10:06,140 --> 03:10:10,200
the universe we do have one night which

4647
03:10:10,200 --> 03:10:11,940
is always nice to see so we'll grab

4648
03:10:11,940 --> 03:10:13,680
our blades here to do a little bit

4649
03:10:13,680 --> 03:10:18,210
of a nighting um here we go oh

4650
03:10:18,210 --> 03:10:21,710
oh i was waiting for you edward jennings

4651
03:10:21,710 --> 03:10:23,590
come on up the podium sir you are

4652
03:10:23,590 --> 03:10:25,050
about to become a knight of the knowage

4653
03:10:25,050 --> 03:10:26,650
in the round table thanks to your support

4654
03:10:26,650 --> 03:10:29,410
of the show as you calculated yourself and

4655
03:10:29,410 --> 03:10:30,650
we believe you it's all in the honor

4656
03:10:30,650 --> 03:10:32,670
system one thousand dollars or more i'm very

4657
03:10:32,670 --> 03:10:36,430
proud to pronounce sir eddie jay from west

4658
03:10:36,430 --> 03:10:39,230
haven connecticut for you we've got hookers and

4659
03:10:39,230 --> 03:10:42,330
blow rent boys and chardonnay a large special

4660
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from two parties a pizza and a waco

4661
03:10:45,090 --> 03:10:47,290
dr pepper doesn't get any better than that

4662
03:10:47,290 --> 03:10:49,470
also on deck for you sir we have

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beer and blunts ruben s women and rose

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gates and sake baka vanilla bong and suburban

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03:10:53,930 --> 03:10:57,890
sparkling cider escorts ginger ale and gerbils breast

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milk and and as always the mutton and

4667
03:11:00,070 --> 03:11:03,670
the meat now you have one final step

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to complete by going to no agenda rings

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.com anybody can take a look at that

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site and you see the beautiful signet ring

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that we have for the dames and for

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03:11:10,750 --> 03:11:12,230
the knights of the no agenda round table

4673
03:11:12,230 --> 03:11:14,330
it is a signet ring so that means

4674
03:11:14,330 --> 03:11:16,510
that you also receive a couple of sticks

4675
03:11:16,510 --> 03:11:19,030
of wax you can use those to seal

4676
03:11:19,030 --> 03:11:21,930
your important correspondence we love getting our little

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03:11:21,930 --> 03:11:24,730
uh dame and knight uh notes in the

4678
03:11:24,730 --> 03:11:27,410
mail sealed with your wax it's very cool

4679
03:11:27,410 --> 03:11:29,550
and always it comes with a certificate of

4680
03:11:29,550 --> 03:11:31,870
authenticity so in question in case anyone questions

4681
03:11:31,870 --> 03:11:33,850
it but it looks good at the meetups

4682
03:11:33,850 --> 03:11:35,910
people do love seeing those knight and dame

4683
03:11:35,910 --> 03:11:38,070
rings we missed the donation note on the

4684
03:11:38,070 --> 03:11:40,050
previous episode i don't know how that happened

4685
03:11:40,050 --> 03:11:42,990
this is from uh war and teas that

4686
03:11:42,990 --> 03:11:45,570
sir darius unity knight of the sandhill people

4687
03:11:46,270 --> 03:11:48,130
he said none of my note below was

4688
03:11:48,130 --> 03:11:51,730
mentioned last episode regrettably prayerfully something here can

4689
03:11:51,730 --> 03:11:53,970
be useful to or for get my nation

4690
03:11:53,970 --> 03:11:55,950
please and thank you very kindly for the

4691
03:11:55,950 --> 03:11:59,030
thoughtful consideration he's a darius sir darius unity

4692
03:11:59,030 --> 03:12:01,090
knight of the sandhill people he is a

4693
03:12:01,090 --> 03:12:03,150
a knight to the no agenda round table

4694
03:12:03,150 --> 03:12:06,590
and he uh he put out a book

4695
03:12:06,590 --> 03:12:08,350
of pictures that he took in uh in

4696
03:12:08,350 --> 03:12:11,790
the sand in the desert uh and uh

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03:12:11,790 --> 03:12:14,090
he says break for this night please war

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and teas.com he also has some w

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03:12:17,290 --> 03:12:20,990
-a-r-n-t-s-t-e-e

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03:12:20,990 --> 03:12:24,810
-s.com and uh he says stay blessed

4701
03:12:24,810 --> 03:12:27,730
free and dangerous yes indeed thank you brother

4702
03:12:33,970 --> 03:12:36,890
we have any of the meetups continue you

4703
03:12:36,890 --> 03:12:38,570
can find them all at no agenda meetups

4704
03:12:38,570 --> 03:12:40,510
.com and we do have a report for

4705
03:12:40,510 --> 03:12:43,810
the fort wayne dad gum august meetup adam

4706
03:12:43,810 --> 03:12:45,350
and john this is shannon and fort wayne

4707
03:12:45,350 --> 03:12:47,010
we had a pretty good turnout uh i

4708
03:12:47,010 --> 03:12:48,730
had the special salad of the day and

4709
03:12:48,730 --> 03:12:50,650
i got a secretary general award yeah i'm

4710
03:12:50,650 --> 03:12:52,330
not that special this is jared from cool

4711
03:12:52,330 --> 03:12:54,750
hacks love your show shelly from fort wayne

4712
03:12:54,750 --> 03:12:57,210
thank you for your courage michelle from fort

4713
03:12:57,210 --> 03:13:00,290
wayne michael from wabash indiana in the morning

4714
03:13:00,290 --> 03:13:02,850
john and adams for pbr street gang just

4715
03:13:02,850 --> 03:13:06,310
enjoying the typical summer sweat out here in

4716
03:13:06,310 --> 03:13:08,870
northern indiana dame trinity having a great time

4717
03:13:08,870 --> 03:13:10,310
in fort wayne as always thank you for

4718
03:13:10,310 --> 03:13:12,130
your courage hey and our server didn't want

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03:13:12,130 --> 03:13:14,350
to give us a report because she thinks

4720
03:13:14,350 --> 03:13:17,290
we're all uh like cult members and uh

4721
03:13:17,290 --> 03:13:19,390
by the way john safety tip i have

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03:13:19,390 --> 03:13:21,110
my 33 bitcoin saved on a five and

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03:13:21,110 --> 03:13:23,390
a quarter inch floppy it's secure there you

4724
03:13:23,390 --> 03:13:26,250
go in the morning well at least you

4725
03:13:26,250 --> 03:13:28,050
tried to get your server into the report

4726
03:13:28,050 --> 03:13:31,010
i appreciate that maybe it'll fare better for

4727
03:13:31,010 --> 03:13:34,170
the local 360 meetup which takes place um

4728
03:13:34,170 --> 03:13:37,630
no it took place today geez it's already

4729
03:13:37,630 --> 03:13:39,810
over it was 11 a.m in blaine

4730
03:13:39,810 --> 03:13:42,490
washington 277 g street hope it went well

4731
03:13:42,490 --> 03:13:45,810
on thursday this coming thursday it's charlotte's thirsty

4732
03:13:45,810 --> 03:13:48,230
third thursday meetup seven o'clock at ed's

4733
03:13:48,230 --> 03:13:51,470
tavern in charlotte north carolina uh friday the

4734
03:13:51,470 --> 03:13:55,970
22nd maastricht the netherlands ah mr everett bopp

4735
03:13:55,970 --> 03:14:00,090
himself the um uh our uh oh gosh

4736
03:14:00,090 --> 03:14:02,330
what was the name of the disaster tech

4737
03:14:02,330 --> 03:14:06,630
guy who was here uh in um in

4738
03:14:06,630 --> 03:14:09,630
curveville who was helping with his disaster tech

4739
03:14:09,630 --> 03:14:13,850
labs um outfit where they bring wesh mesh

4740
03:14:13,850 --> 03:14:16,710
wi-fi networks to disaster areas and leave

4741
03:14:16,710 --> 03:14:18,550
them for the citizens to continue to use

4742
03:14:18,550 --> 03:14:21,090
thank you everett uh still to come in

4743
03:14:21,090 --> 03:14:23,410
this month of august mckinney texas on the

4744
03:14:23,410 --> 03:14:26,750
23rd cleveland ohio the 23rd los angeles california

4745
03:14:26,750 --> 03:14:29,190
leo bravo on the 30th and medford lakes

4746
03:14:29,190 --> 03:14:31,350
new jersey on the 31st no agenda meetup

4747
03:14:31,350 --> 03:14:33,690
this is where you find your first responders

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in a true emergency connection is protection go

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find your group your tribe near you no

4750
03:14:40,330 --> 03:14:42,290
agenda meetups.com if you can't find one

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03:14:42,290 --> 03:14:45,070
near you start one yourself it's easy and

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03:14:45,070 --> 03:14:58,470
always a party you

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03:14:58,470 --> 03:15:06,810
wanna be with everybody is like a party

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03:15:06,810 --> 03:15:08,650
everybody okay at this point in the show

4755
03:15:08,650 --> 03:15:10,250
we like to determine what we'll play at

4756
03:15:10,250 --> 03:15:12,850
the very very end the last snippet the

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03:15:12,850 --> 03:15:14,650
last snippet of the show known as the

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03:15:14,650 --> 03:15:16,510
end of show iso i have two i

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03:15:16,510 --> 03:15:22,530
will go first okay no too screamy this

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03:15:22,530 --> 03:15:25,370
this next one may be useful oh you

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03:15:25,370 --> 03:15:30,150
guys are terrific that's all i got it's

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03:15:30,150 --> 03:15:33,310
accurate if it's it's of course it's very

4763
03:15:33,310 --> 03:15:38,530
accurate okay i've got two uh i have

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um only fans wow i'd pay to see

4765
03:15:43,670 --> 03:15:48,110
these two on only fans okay that's a

4766
03:15:48,110 --> 03:15:55,010
blind lady obviously yeah yeah yeah that's good

4767
03:15:55,010 --> 03:15:59,130
yeah yeah yeah i'm glad you can do

4768
03:15:59,130 --> 03:16:02,210
it the timing was good sometimes i nail

4769
03:16:02,210 --> 03:16:04,690
it sometimes it's always a stunner i still

4770
03:16:04,690 --> 03:16:06,850
got it yeah uh i don't know about

4771
03:16:06,850 --> 03:16:08,770
that yeah uh and then we have the

4772
03:16:08,770 --> 03:16:12,550
other one what a golden dahnab persnickety podcast

4773
03:16:12,550 --> 03:16:16,110
yeehaw it's so stupid i want to use

4774
03:16:16,110 --> 03:16:18,410
it hey everybody it's time for john c

4775
03:16:18,410 --> 03:16:31,990
demorak's tip of the day so

4776
03:16:31,990 --> 03:16:34,610
uh everybody not everybody but a lot of

4777
03:16:34,610 --> 03:16:36,610
people especially when you get older you have

4778
03:16:36,610 --> 03:16:38,890
to deal with your your loss of grip

4779
03:16:38,890 --> 03:16:40,930
grip so you get up one of those

4780
03:16:40,930 --> 03:16:43,630
balls you know your ball squeeze squeeze a

4781
03:16:43,630 --> 03:16:47,790
ball do you squeeze a ball i i

4782
03:16:47,790 --> 03:16:50,170
usually have a squeeze ball around somewhere for

4783
03:16:50,170 --> 03:16:52,790
your grip yeah it's always good you know

4784
03:16:52,790 --> 03:16:53,770
you want to have a hell you want

4785
03:16:53,770 --> 03:16:57,490
to have a a strong handshake yes you

4786
03:16:57,490 --> 03:17:01,130
do especially meetups and beat ups yeah but

4787
03:17:01,130 --> 03:17:04,250
the but these balls are boring there's a

4788
03:17:04,250 --> 03:17:09,830
ball there it is thank you balls are

4789
03:17:09,830 --> 03:17:13,810
boring balls are boring uh you want everybody

4790
03:17:13,810 --> 03:17:16,750
out there who should probably have a digital

4791
03:17:16,750 --> 03:17:20,330
a digital it's called a digital hand grip

4792
03:17:20,330 --> 03:17:23,250
ball and the reason what it is you

4793
03:17:23,250 --> 03:17:25,030
charge it up it's got a usb port

4794
03:17:25,030 --> 03:17:26,890
on it and you charge it up and

4795
03:17:26,890 --> 03:17:28,490
as when you squeeze it it gives you

4796
03:17:28,490 --> 03:17:31,910
the pounds it has a digital display that

4797
03:17:31,910 --> 03:17:36,090
gives you the pounds of pressure so you

4798
03:17:36,090 --> 03:17:39,930
can actually compete with yourself so you're squeezing

4799
03:17:39,930 --> 03:17:41,370
the ball and you go oh can i

4800
03:17:41,370 --> 03:17:43,450
get to 40 you know and you just

4801
03:17:43,450 --> 03:17:45,530
squeeze the ball and then you and you

4802
03:17:45,530 --> 03:17:47,530
try to squeeze harder and instead of just

4803
03:17:47,530 --> 03:17:50,110
squeezing some random ball you know like you

4804
03:17:50,110 --> 03:17:53,490
know squeeze squeeze squeeze like people do uh

4805
03:17:53,490 --> 03:17:55,630
you get the digital ball and you can

4806
03:17:55,630 --> 03:17:57,370
squeeze it and you get your uh you

4807
03:17:57,370 --> 03:17:59,490
get a number and you can compete with

4808
03:17:59,490 --> 03:18:02,250
yourself and it actually improves your grip well

4809
03:18:02,250 --> 03:18:04,790
that's a pretty good tip i thought so

4810
03:18:04,790 --> 03:18:07,590
what's the name of this product again it's

4811
03:18:07,590 --> 03:18:09,930
just it doesn't really have a brand name

4812
03:18:09,930 --> 03:18:11,250
it's just called if you look it up

4813
03:18:11,250 --> 03:18:14,350
as a digital hand grip ball digital hand

4814
03:18:14,350 --> 03:18:16,990
grip ball that will be on tipoftheday.net

4815
03:18:16,990 --> 03:18:20,130
and noagendafund.com that is an outstanding john

4816
03:18:20,130 --> 03:18:23,850
c devorak tip of the day goodbyes from

4817
03:18:23,850 --> 03:18:31,310
you and me and sometimes at all created

4818
03:18:31,310 --> 03:18:33,390
by dana brunetti one of the trolls said

4819
03:18:33,390 --> 03:18:35,630
uh hey if donations are down you should

4820
03:18:35,630 --> 03:18:38,270
just monetize the tip of the day man

4821
03:18:38,270 --> 03:18:43,830
yeah okay that'll do it that'll save the

4822
03:18:43,830 --> 03:18:48,830
show so please consider supporting us by going

4823
03:18:48,830 --> 03:18:52,410
to noagendadonations.com coming up next i think

4824
03:18:52,410 --> 03:18:54,610
this may be live uh abs in a

4825
03:18:54,610 --> 03:18:58,630
six-pack uh that's sir seat sitter and

4826
03:18:58,630 --> 03:19:00,390
dean reiner i think that may be a

4827
03:19:00,390 --> 03:19:02,870
live show so stay tuned for it of

4828
03:19:02,870 --> 03:19:04,210
course if you're in the troll room you're

4829
03:19:04,210 --> 03:19:07,910
going to enjoy all of that and end

4830
03:19:07,910 --> 03:19:10,970
of show makes us from steph jaconson jaconson

4831
03:19:11,470 --> 03:19:14,970
and danny loose returns to the end of

4832
03:19:14,970 --> 03:19:17,710
show mixer pool we appreciate that and of

4833
03:19:17,710 --> 03:19:20,470
course we will return on thursday for another

4834
03:19:20,470 --> 03:19:24,210
episode of your media deconstruction no doubt plenty

4835
03:19:24,210 --> 03:19:26,290
to talk about as we find out what's

4836
03:19:26,290 --> 03:19:30,970
next in the saga of russia ukraine the

4837
03:19:30,970 --> 03:19:35,730
eu nato and the united states coming to

4838
03:19:35,730 --> 03:19:37,210
you from the heart of the texas hill

4839
03:19:37,210 --> 03:19:41,910
country where uh it's just beautiful this time

4840
03:19:41,910 --> 03:19:44,470
of year nice and cool weather autumn is

4841
03:19:44,470 --> 03:19:46,310
here in the morning everybody i'm adam curry

4842
03:19:46,310 --> 03:19:49,010
yeah from northern silicon valley we're still waiting

4843
03:19:49,010 --> 03:19:51,330
for summer i'm john c dvorak see you

4844
03:19:51,330 --> 03:19:54,750
on thursday remember us noagendadonations.com until then

4845
03:19:54,750 --> 03:20:08,830
adios mofos and such so we

4846
03:20:08,830 --> 03:20:27,730
respect the solemnity the territorial integrity right

4847
03:20:27,730 --> 03:20:31,790
we as america are saying that's wrong and

4848
03:20:31,790 --> 03:20:34,190
we will stand with ukraine in saying that

4849
03:20:34,190 --> 03:20:37,130
that is wrong we know that what russia

4850
03:20:37,130 --> 03:20:39,950
is doing is wrong there needs to be

4851
03:20:39,950 --> 03:20:42,770
severe consequence you'll hear on the news their

4852
03:20:42,770 --> 03:20:46,450
bad behavior you'll hear on the news their

4853
03:20:46,450 --> 03:20:49,990
bad behavior that's what the issue is their

4854
03:20:49,990 --> 03:20:53,850
bad behavior you'll hear on the news their

4855
03:20:53,850 --> 03:20:57,330
bad behavior that's what the issue is essentially

4856
03:21:17,480 --> 03:21:21,000
so they gave me 30 days notice so

4857
03:21:21,000 --> 03:21:22,720
that i could keep working which i really

4858
03:21:22,720 --> 03:21:25,760
appreciated because i needed the income those packets

4859
03:21:25,760 --> 03:21:29,220
sweet pea veggies and the best fresh catfish

4860
03:21:29,220 --> 03:21:32,020
that shopper could get brought you into that

4861
03:21:32,020 --> 03:21:34,840
best ground beef in town just so that

4862
03:21:34,840 --> 03:21:36,900
i could keep working just a bit smaller

4863
03:21:36,900 --> 03:21:39,000
now jimmy wright is not talking about his

4864
03:21:39,000 --> 03:21:41,620
own store closing customers will still come for

4865
03:21:41,620 --> 03:21:44,900
that good beef summer berries still please don't

4866
03:21:44,900 --> 03:21:47,100
i'm sorry please i'm just desperate to find

4867
03:21:47,100 --> 03:21:50,240
this brought you into that best ground beef

4868
03:21:50,240 --> 03:21:53,100
in town best fresh catfish that show it

4869
03:21:53,100 --> 03:21:56,700
just feels we should get some warning away

4870
03:21:56,700 --> 03:22:00,260
20 minute drive because some of us depend

4871
03:22:00,260 --> 03:22:05,880
on it do you want veggies and the

4872
03:22:05,880 --> 03:22:09,280
best fresh catfish that shopper diane jameson yeah

4873
03:22:09,280 --> 03:22:11,660
brought you into that best ground beef in

4874
03:22:11,660 --> 03:22:16,160
town 20 minute drive now jimmy wright is

4875
03:22:16,160 --> 03:22:29,780
not talking about his own store what

4876
03:22:29,780 --> 03:22:34,360
a golden dahnab persnickety podcast yeehaw