you'd like to read. Adam curry, John C. Dvorak.
It's Thursday, July 11 2013. Time for your gizmo nation media
assassination episode five to nine air.
This is no agenda
not sponsored by Soros here at the Travis heights hideout in
Austin, Texas capitol in the Darkstar. State in the morning,
everybody. I'm Adam curry
and from Northern Silicon Valley where it's a little earlier than
usual. I'm John C. Dvorak. Buzzkill.
Right on no big, big problems. But we're early and everything
falls apart the whole infrastructure, the entire
network is attention. I'm not in charge of all that.
So I think to the show,
no, I think we're so I don't believe we're streaming live.
But I would say the majority of people here the show on the
podcast anyway. So yeah. So what are we doing? Why are we early?
We're an hour earlier than normal. What's going on? I
get missed by a bus. My daughter's birthday. Oh,
that's right. How old is she? She Wait, let me guess fun. She
19 or 20?
Ah, you hit it? Both 19 or 20 2019?
Wow. Ah, how fast that goes, John.
Yeah, yep. Now what?
I don't know. Don't worry doesn't for me. It hasn't ended.
My kids gonna be 23 the end of August. And she doesn't end. Are
you charging these kids rent yet?
She's getting pretty old. Oh, Christina. Thanks. So now I
don't charge the kids rent. What do you think is older? paying
rent or you're getting now? Yeah,
that's what my parents did. And it took me three weeks.
Look, look at your parents. Well, I mean, your dad just
sitting by himself. He probably would like to have you hanging
around the house a little bit.
I'm not so sure. But he's not doing too well. Actually. Yes.
No. Yes. Yes.
That's been the case since we started the show. Nope.
True. Yeah. No, that's true. But now he's really not doing so
well. But you go say hi to him. I'm gonna go say hi to him.
We're leaving.
I'm gonna come on party with you go.
I'm not coming to party with us.
Now, getting tickets now,
let me say Shall I tell you what our schedule is? everyone kind
of knows. I think you should. So you can target me appropriately.
Right. We should also mention Yeah, we got a couple issues
with a couple of missed missing shows. Well, well, not
really missing shows because we're going to fill them up with
with some outstanding content. There's no doubt about it. But
we've decided to take two shows off this year, during the
summer, too.
And wait a minute. Let's stop stop for a second. I want to
point out to everybody. Oh, no. I want to point out to everybody
that we've been doing this show for close to six years. Our six
year anniversary is in October coming up. And we've never taken
one show off. We did a clip show for Christmas a couple years ago
and and when I got married, everyone gave me a show off.
Remember that? Yeah. When would make it it was almost a year ago
and making America is that when we did 200.5 Or three? I think
that's when we did 300 I don't I don't remember. I don't know how
many episodes but we actually did a show. No, no, we still
have a show. Yeah, of course. And it's not like we're gonna go
dark. Right? Oh, didn't we? Didn't we decide to put I'm
gonna
go dark, shows off the air. I can't go dark.
So Friday afternoon. So we have Thursday. We have the show next
week. Then Friday, Ms. McKee and I haul off to Amsterdam. Then on
Sunday, I do the show from Amsterdam using the new ultimate
podcast device, which would be a good field test. Yeah. So I'm,
I've been on it for the past two shows. And I'm still kind of
working on all the units that the same as a field not the same
as a field test. Exactly. Then,
on how many tubes are in this thing? Zero. Okay,
it's no. But we are replicating to design that's for sure. With
the with dual rail power AC, it has an AC power adapter.
It will do 220
Yeah, of course it'll do 220 with a separate adapter. You
can't This is why all these companies do DC adapters because
they're cheap. But I've learned a lot you wind up doing a lot of
balancing and biasing internally if you use DC power instead of
having your own power on boards, you've got dual rail. I mean,
the whole thing is, it's high end. It's just it's gonna be
great. Once it's done, which will be maybe maybe sometime
near Christmas, who knows?
What do you think it would sell for? Oh, it's
gonna have to be $400 it can't do it for any less
399 99 No, no, I
think it's going to be in fact I would even say it has to be
499 99 but you can do you can replicate the best podcast in
the universe. With this thing I mean, it's set up to do it.
Okay? It's a mixer. It's all your process. If you had to buy
all the elements individually, it would be $1,000.
All right, well, sounds like a deal. Anyways, lightweight and
small. Yes.
Oh, yeah. Well wait until you see this module. It's, it's,
it's like a cigarette pack. That's how small it is.
So on Monday, the tiny knobs
are very tiny knobs. But for you, we'll make really giant
knobs we'll make a special John system. On Monday, we go to the
south of France to my dear friend, Michel, the gangster.
He, he's got a house down there. And in between this is the elite
of the elite, as he listened to the show, oh, he's a huge fan of
the show. He's always he's, he's all over the
donor nomenclature.
Michelle, I think he donates in other ways. If you're looking
for Latour.
I've been looking for.
Yeah, but if you happen to be in the south of France. Right,
exactly. And from there, we're going to drive to Florence to
visit will orange,
are you going to do a meet up? Yeah, we'll do.
I'll do a huge meet up in Florence. I'm sure there's tons
of no agenda listeners in Italy. Right. Think there's two, Willow
and Willow. And then after, let me see, I think for three days
in Florence, we're going to Oh, and of course Mickey is going to
mimic he's going to visit our brain professors friend at the
university there, you know, to look at more brains or whatever.
You know how that goes.
I have Nixon's break.
I have headed on ice for a long time. And then we fly back to
Amsterdam. Were there for five days. We could we could go to
visit my daughter, of course. And then we fly back. So
actually, when we were back in Amsterdam, then I do another
show. So the only shows that we're not doing on July 25 And
July 28. And then there'll be two to be doing two shows from
Amsterdam. Both field tests with the with a new box.
The 28th may be the Indianapolis NASCAR event. Oh really, I might
just go down to that. To see if anyone can move and get anyone
to we have a contact within the organization not within the
organization. But it's in the publicity world surrounding
NASCAR to use it to get a no agenda sticker on one of these.
Yeah.
I love it. I love it. Let me ask you a question. John. This hit
me this morning as as the news reports started coming out. Why
is it and I'm certainly not going to accept it any longer.
Why is it people accept courtroom sketches the way they
are drawn? The whole concept of okay, we can't have cameras in
the court. For whatever reason, but then we're going to have a
sketch and the sketches always like like an artist
interpretation. There's plenty of people you go to Central
Park, there's guys who can sketch you perfectly. You look
fantastic. Like that's you. They can do a caricature for all I
care. But the courtroom sketches that are being done, it can only
be to hide the fact that there's no court session going on.
There's just nothing. Have you see the reports about this about
tonight? If
you know, yeah, yeah, this stuff is quite interesting. The latest
is that it may not be him. It's
not him. Of course, it's not why else would you not allow cameras
in the courtroom
in this court proceeding? Anderson, he was looking around,
he was sort of he kept touching his face. He was fidgeting. And
he was upset that he was ignoring what was going on. The
judge was speaking to him. He didn't look at her. And then as
the charges read against him, he did stand up. And he said not
guilty to each of those charges.
But hold on a second. He confessed to everything. How can
you now say not guilty? What's going on with that? This makes
no sense.
By the way, that said the guy looking around, I think that is
the same actor who played the redhead. And
that's the same guy exactly in a Russian accent. And what's so
interesting about that is that after court, I ran into a couple
of his wrestling buddies from high school. And they said they
were stunning. They never had a Russian accent when they knew
him. Make him to court because they wanted to see if this was
the same guy. And they just said, you know, it wasn't now.
So here we are. So here we have the actual report saying it's
not the same guy. He speaks with a Russian accent. Never heard
him do that before. Now, here's what's if you look at the broad
scope of things right now, and today, of course, we have some
breaking news happening now in the George Zimmerman trial,
which who gives a crap if you really look at the TOS de
twostage. Let's look at at face value. Here we have a divide and
conquer trial, which is what that is all about, which has
been going on for weeks now. It seems like we Yeah, but really,
CNN has trial itself.
CNN has switched to an all new 24/7 Zimmerman for format I mean
this is now it this is a format you can sell around the world
you know this is the the Zimmerman news format but if you
look okay one guy did yeah huge implications perhaps. But then
over here we have the Boston bombing, which it will have long
resounding implications upon our security state the crouch and
cower all the thing you know martial law. Multiple people
killed according to the same CNN 260 people wounded yet we have
no cameras in the courtroom and we only have one or two morons
who are so called victims who are being interviewed and this
is the package that was on every single news station the exact
same package I will mind this morning
after making his first court appearance since the deadly
attacks in April so
Hearthstone I have pleading not guilty to terror charges and he
repeated that not guilty seven times. Meantime, dozens of
bombing survivors they came face to face
dozens dozens came through you have to pay attention to the
words dozens came face to face however, we only got two outside
the courtroom who didn't really seem like they could even talk
with this 19 year old accused
terrorist. So people in the courtroom said that he almost
smirked during the hearing. And
some people said what is this? This is an important trial and
we can't see it what what determines John when we can or
cannot see something on television when it comes to a
trial? What is this national security? Is there something
going on that we can say this guy right but why? What is the
reasoning? What does the judge what is the judge's reasoning
behind this
consistent play on this everybody every judge has his
own theory they don't want to do it they don't want to turn to a
carnival they have a million excuses. And they just refuse to
do it. They do some don't do it. Some do. I don't know.
Well, very was live at the courthouse now in South Boston
with more Nicole that's right Cana these proceedings lasted
only seven minutes but as you can imagine, inside the
courtroom here at the Moakley Courthouse, it was emotionally
packed and the victims and their families
emotionally packed. What does that even mean? This is a lie.
I've stayed away from all this for a long time. This report
this woman was not in the courtroom. There I don't I do
not know anyone who was actually there acceptable you'll hear the
two boneheads she gets to the end of this report I
spoke with say they didn't expect much more from the
alleged suspect. Appearing in an orange jumpsuit his hair does
shoveled but his
pillow his hair does shoveled I think is disheveled. Is it not
it's disheveled? Could be just shoveled? It could
be the shovel if you hit him over the head with a shovel dish
shoveled Are you kidding me.
Appearing in an orange jumpsuit his hair dish shoveled with his
voice strong as he pled not guilty seven times. The public
got their first look at the man accused of killing three people
and destroying hundreds of lives video Dave the Boston Marathon.
I actually felt sick to my stomach. It's very emotional for
me, it was kind of airy kind of upsetting. But then again, I
felt good that I was able to be there.
Okay, so those are the entire two people they have in this
report.
If there's only two typical man on the street from
sank, and they they film them on the street, there were 260
people claimed wounded, multiple deaths. Were our if this had
happened to any if even if my daughter had been slightly
wounded, I'd be there I'd be I'd be outside yelling at the
cameras. I'd be doing all kinds of stuff. They had these two
people with fanny packs and sunglasses. I'm sorry, I'm just
not buying it anymore. And then and then we have the Zimmerman
trial to give us some courtroom feel which is going on 24/7 This
is a huge, huge mistake that we are witnessing right now. It
really is. This is not okay. Well, what's
the mistake?
The mistake is the mistake is that we allow ourselves to be
snookered into still looking at these stupid sketches and then
believe that this is taking place I don't even think this is
taking place John, prove it to me. Prove to me that this is
that there's a trial taking place.
Well, I mean, you have a I can't that's the problem. I think
there is but I can't prove it. All I want is a little coffee
with you on this one. I think we should all these cases should be
televised,
should be televised. And
why not? They're open to the public. There's a gallery in
there. You can go in there if you can get in there early
enough. Well, apparently I can't watch it on television. This is
the 21st century and this is like a big big time case and
why?
Why not a picture? Why not a regular picture? Why do we have
to suffice with a straight out of raw photograph? photograph?
Yes. Why not a photograph? Why do we accept this? This is not
1892 where they had to go develop an app? No, this is
there's no reason for this. There is no reason that we can't
have a photograph. And why doesn't anyone want as a result
for no photographs at some point? This is by the way, no
longer valid was the shutters were distracting. But of course,
if you go to any of these press conferences with clippity, clop,
or anybody else, your BS, let us there are plenty of Wait,
wait a minute, wait a minute, you're telling me that the
sketches sketches didn't start because of distracting the
camera sounds?
Well, I think cancer me that for the purposes of you know, before
there were cameras, let's say in the 1800s. Yeah. And then when
cameras came to be that they were huge clunkers there were
these giant press cameras and a big flash shot. And so then when
they finally had stripes, or little cameras, they made a lot
of racket. They still most of them do.
You're making my point for me, of course.
I mean, now of course you have shot cameras that make zero
noise and there's not as use an iPhone, it did get better. So I
was
gonna say there's not a single person who was able to sneak in
if an iPhone or a camera or something everyone went through
a metal detector. Is that what happened? Did everyone go
through a slave scanner
stuff? You can't be in there on the iPhone, right? Well, I'm
just not I'm not accepting that anymore. It is no longer
acceptable in the 21st century. To not have photos at least a
photograph of what is taking place in the courtroom. It it.
it invigorates conspiracy theory.
Right. And as we're witnessing with you,
right, so no trial, it's
not taking place stop. It's
proven to me. And and by the way, everyone's saying, well,
the guy who we think is there who we have no evidence, no
video video or photographic evidence. He's not the guy. He's
taller. He speaks with a Russian accent guilty. Yeah, of course.
He's not guilty. It's not him do anything.
am I even doing here?
I just woke up here. I got a headache. What's going on? This
is this. There's so much craziness. And this is just the
tip of the iceberg. I have been running into so many things. I
think I need to start it off with with the snow job. I found
out some stuff that is really, really quite disturbing. Yeah.
It's quite disturbing to get the panel.
Yeah. Well, first, the let me see, I need to remind, let's
just go back to a couple shows ago, when we had the this is the
Charlie Rose show. And it's very important that if you're new to
this program, we we have to bring back these clips from time
to time. So you really understand how things work.
Edward Snowden did not drop a file on a server. You know, he
didn't put out a bit torrent of all these documents have not
been floating around the world, in fact, exactly like WikiLeaks,
he went to, to the press organizations. Turns out he
actually went to a third, which we'll talk about in a moment,
which is where my surprise comes from. And those press outlets,
they determine what is going to be published, they have made
everything public. Right, yeah, consulting with the government.
And that is what I wanted to replay just so we are reminded
that this is the editor of The Guardian talking about what she
did. And she is the the editor at large, I believe in her
senior editor all Brett's, of course, is there on the Charlie
Rose show. And they went to the government and they talked about
what they wanted to publish leave national
security in the United States has been damaged.
I do not. And we have consulted with the authorities about
everything that we have published. And we've invited
them with the NSA with the White House to ask them DNI
is this damaging to national security? And should we is there
any real reason we should not publish this?
We've invited specific national security concerns about we've
let them know what we're going to publish? And, you know, to
the specifics of which slide of which presentation or which
document On which date? And
would you tell me how that happens? Because it's
interesting to me.
It's come up before with other news organizations in the United
States, do
you go to NSA authorities, whether it's General Alexander
or someone else, and say,
This is what we're prepared to publish? is, what's the next
part of the question?
Well, in this situation, you're not really asking a question,
because you have the information when you want to publish this,
what's your response? You're saying, This is what we have? Do
you have a specific national security concern that you would
like to alert us to? And well, yes, that is a question or we
are inviting you to raise and then we don't guarantee that we
will agree with their interpretation or stop. What
we're saying is we would you know, we'd like to hear that,
and then you heard it. Actually, we haven't really concerned and
had specific national security concerns that anything's ever
expressed
any security specific concerns. No.
Okay. So they never were expressed any specific national
concerti security concerns because they want this to
happen. They wanted this to take place. And I think I can put
together a pretty good picture now, of all the players
involved. Now what has happened? So let's say this took place,
let's just
well, by the way, I want to remind listeners that you one
element in there, which we have to consider for all the
analysis, which is no, they gave him the documents, so that no
problem and then everybody made a fuss, right, in fact, a lot of
it. So in other words, a lot of acting is taking place. And
let's
take a look at three actors right now, before we go to the
best actor of all, which will be our president here is as the big
new Brzezinski on the Fareed Zakaria program, and he kind of
sets it up now. Brzezinski was a big guy in the bush one regime,
I
believe it was back to Nixon. Oh, yes.
What? No, I'm sorry. He was Nixon's wasn't he? I don't think
he was ever Secretary of State but he was. exam anyway, go on,
but Brzezinski and of course, Brzezinski, his daughter, mica,
she's on the Morning Joe Show. So the Brzezinski Empire
reaches?
Well think of Daniel Ellsberg. Now, Daniel
Ellsberg is important in this case, because I'm not so sure
Daniel Ellsberg was entirely clean either. Daniel Ellsberg
took him, it was kind of the same model. If you look at it.
He took the so called pentagon papers to the New York Times, I
believe, right, John? Yep. He also there was no servers from
the uploaded to at the time. So that was kind of the way and I
have a feeling the New York Times also did something very
similar. And it might have benefited some people to release
this information in the manner that it was released. Episode.
Now, Ellsberg is brought in kind of as the granddaddy of doing
this kind of stuff. And it's interesting how he is portrayed
versus Bradley Manning or Edward Snowden. He was against
our policy in Vietnam. He revealed classified documents,
he did it in the United States, and it was prepared to face
music. He may have been misguided, but he certainly was
patriotic. What did this guy do? He goes to China. And then he
goes to Russia, both countries that would like to replace us on
top of the global totem pole. And Russia, certainly under
Putin is far from being friendly to the United States. So what
are his motives? Who is he trying to appeal to? Who are his
allies that he made his choice? In other words, I'm very
skeptical about his motivations, maybe psychologically mixed up,
but he's certainly no friend of the United States objectively,
and maybe even subjectively, so here's
Brzezinski basically saying the guy's a spy for China and or
Russia. So that's one way of looking at it. Now in the same
show. We have Richard Haass, who is an elite douchebag, from the
Council on Foreign Relations.
Machiavelli once said that you can tell somebody by the people
he has around them. Well, this character, the countries that
are potentially willing to take them are essentially outliers.
And that tells you something they're really outside to the
extent there even is an international community. They're
not part of it. This has turned into a farce, but we should not
forget wrapped around this farce.
Hold on a second. wind it back a little bit, because this guy's
on a roll. I was
waiting for you to catch this. Yeah. Okay.
So there are outliers. China and Russia, Russia are not part of
the international community. Oh, they are not everything we buy
is from China. China is the most up and coming country in the
world. What do you mean there? What is this guy trying to
pull? Yeah, well, this is this is for reasons.
You should be called out as rows, call him out for being
fooled into craps for
not rows. This is Fareed Zakaria. Oh, it's the God never
mind. Do I need to say more? Now as a cardio won't call anyone I
used to agree is
if anybody's an anti American, it's that guy
thinks Akari is also on the Council of Foreign Relations. Is
he not? I think
he might be he probably is. But the point is, Erin Burnett in
redoing the Constitution, throwing it out and all the rest
of it. Exactly.
So this guy is short and then we'll get to the final that
tells
you something they're really outside to the extent there even
is an international community.
They're not there's not even an international community. Just so
you know. There's nothing really going on part of it.
This has turned into a farce but we should not forget wrapped
around this farce. It's a tragedy. This guy is Woody
Allen, lower, he's a felon, he committed treason and what he
did a felon
and he didn't commit he's not been convicted of anything and
he did not commit treason.
And he's not a traitor is never these these floating around.
This guy's full of crap. And he's, you know, if Snowden
manages to squeak through this thing unscathed, this guy gets
sued. But that is total libel,
Americans and others around the world less safe.
So might so when I call Hillary Clinton the lion killing
douchebag. Am I libelous,
she's a public official, or anything you want. Okay? Yeah,
be fun at times to talk about him the way The media is, but
this is serious stuff, people will be vulnerable because of
the way that he is tipped off groups and individuals who want
to do a severe harm. So wherever he ends up in an airport lounge
or in Venezuela or ever, his legacy will be truly disruptive.
And this of course, and we know to be not true, because
otherwise our national security apparatus would have said so to
The Guardian prior to publishing,
right? So the whole show these guys are essentially we're not
going to do what they're supposed to do, which is just
slander the guy
we're not done yet. We still have the Wall Street Journal.
They're gonna slander him to write Stephen
spy and we're realists also and all governments have
intelligence agencies and they have legal controls which
operate and which operated at the at the NSA under multiple
administrations. So I agree with both both of these comments. You
know, Martin Luther King wrote a Letter from a Birmingham Jail.
What is what is Snowden going to write letter from a Moscow
transit lounge? Oh, letter from a from a Venezuelan four star
hotel.
First of all, we had a false comparison. Yeah, of course,
comparing it to Martin Luther King,
who was not a whistleblower by any means. Whistleblower
know, what's this guy coming up with this? What is this guy's
this
shows you the Bret Stevens this, this shows you the level of
quality of journalism in the United States.
And this is not a guy who was willing to pay the price for the
civil disobedience. He thought he was committing he's also not
a whistleblower. He went into the NSA with the intention to
reveal secrets. It's not like he got there and said, Oh,
this, by the way, has been disputed by everyone. So I find
it interesting. In fact, there are recent die. The last
interview that Greenwald did with him, he that Greenwald
published and we don't know if it Greenwald's doing interviews
with anybody, but it's been
great. This was no that first interview you in Hong Kong.
Yeah,
I'm getting there. All right. Let me take let me take you
there and fast pace. He's terrible
things are happening. I need to I need to reveal this to the
public at large. One One comment though, which is, we're holding
Snowden we want to hold Snowden morally accountable. Someone
needs to ask how is it that after the Bradley Manning
incident, you can still have a 29 year old contractor not even
working for the government itself, essentially walking into
the Sanctum Sanctorum of our American intelligence
establishment and putting so much information on a zip drive.
However, I assume this is
no he seems to know everything. zip drive. He had the Sanctum
Sanctorum. He's 29 all the time.
But let's stop there. zip drive?
Seriously. Hello. 1980 calling?
You're right,
put it on a zip drive. Coming into the office. What do you
what is that under your zip drive? Watch
the Thank you. Good point. They
even work? Good point.
Do you have drivers for that? Will that work on Windows eight?
Good point. Point well made one for Dvorak will mark you up
large quantity of information. Someone within the intelligence
establishment has to say why do we let this happen again and
again.
It's funny because people used to always say we need to share
more intelligence government is too siloed. You have you know,
and now when you share intelligence, it turns out the
Bradley Manning's of the world and the Edward Snowden 's of the
world end up with too much intelligence, there's probably
some happy medium, we got it.
Okay, the happy medium. That's what Fareed Zakaria is pushing
towards, and he's saying that for reason, because he has
personal meetings with the President, he goes to the White
House by himself, you know, a little sit down little chat to
talk about the agenda. This is well known, well publicized. And
I think that this was a very elaborate setup. If you we go.
Now this is from so I'm just gonna say that the Guardian,
just to give him a little time, that the Guardian probably had
this information around the beginning of May, you know that
you know that because this went on for a while. And you know, we
can point to some specific dates. So maybe they had this
around the first or second week of May, June 7. So this is over
a month ago. Here's what the President said when the Snowden
was not known yet. But with the documents had been published,
they
are absolutely certain that all the safeguards are being
properly observed. Now, having said all that, you'll remember
when I made that speech a couple of weeks ago, about the need for
us to shift out of a perpetual war mindset. I specifically said
that one of the things that we're going to have to discuss
and debate is how are we striking this balance between
the need to keep the American people safe? And our concerns
about privacy? Because there are some trade offs involved. I
welcome this debate. And I think it's healthy for our democracy.
I think it's a sign of maturity because
so here is saying I Welcome to debate and it seems it appears
to me the debate was wanted all along, he points back to the
speech he had a couple of weeks ago. That was the May 23 speech
when he was interrupted by the by the so called protester who
interrupted him three times when he was talking. Mainly we
thought about drones. And I've always said, You gotta be real
careful with this guy, because he's slick man, he puts stuff
in, and it comes back and says, Hey, remember I told you that I
told you. So I did mention that. And let's go back to May 23. And
listen to what he said about the balance between freedom and
privacy when when Snowden was not on the radar, nothing had
happened yet, as far as we knew it from the public eye.
Affording homegrown plots presents particular challenges
in part because of our proud commitment to civil liberties
for all who call America home. That's why in the years to come,
we will have to keep working hard to strike the appropriate
balance between our need for security and preserving those
freedoms that make us who we are. That means reviewing the
authorities of law enforcement, so we can intercept new types of
communication, but also built in privacy protections to prevent
abuse.
And what has happened since all this went down. We now have the
new rat on your on your colleague program that the
President has instated so we're all you know, for government
contractors, we're all looking out at each other this guy is he
a crook? Because he I mean this is totally you know, this is the
way you you start a complete police state. But I looked at
what you really kickstarted when you get the when you get the
Gestapo looking at each other. That's when the real that's when
it really gets dangerous. But I looked at all the all the actors
in this now we have the following people. We have Glenn
Greenwald. We have Ellsberg he's, he's involved he now he's
showing up in interviews. Oh, yeah. We have. Who are some of
the other people that we find interesting. John Perry Barlow
was out there with WikiLeaks. We know I suspect him of working
for somebody. We have, Jacob, we have Jacob. Yes, Assange, we
have Jacob Appelbaum, who now all of a sudden is also a
reporter now, Jake Jacob Appelbaum, who is credited with
the I think doing the onion router or the Tor network, but
he is the guy that became a spokesperson for Julian Assange.
And he's the guy that tipped me off to keep forgetting her real
name. I call her Leni Riefenstahl. That's not her name
Poydras Laura Poitras. Now, all of a sudden, he's in Der
Spiegel. And he's been doing interviews with Snowden. And
he's the one that says, Well, I interviewed Snowden over
encrypted communications channels. This is in in the
Indus Spiegel. And he says that Snowden has admitted to him,
Jacob Appelbaum, that the NSA created Stuxnet and did it with
the Israelis. And this oh, this is now a big story. So I'm
looking at all these guys. And then I read this this story in
salon, and I've got to read this is an interview with Laura
Poitras. And let me just pull this up for a second because
this was because what happened is, Snowden went to her first
according to her account. And and she would he do that? Well,
that was one of the questions. I think. This is a kind of an oral
interview, just no question, answer printed. So it's very
interesting. How did this all begin? I was originally
contacted in January, anonymously. This is how far
back this goes. by Edward Snowden. Well, I didn't know who
it was, what was the format via email, it said, I want to get
your encryption key. Let's get on a secure channel. And he
didn't say what it was about. No, he just said that was the
first and the second was I have some information in the
intelligence community, and it won't be a waste of your time.
Do you get a lot of those kinds of requests? No, I don't.
Because you immediately know what was the best, most secure
protocol and to go about it. Actually, I did have a lot of
people stopped
there. This is odd if you asked me. She's a documentary
filmmaker. And well, then again, she has a great backstory, you
know, let me just remind people of her backstory, her backstory,
and I, we actually played some clips of her. You probably don't
remember those over almost no, a couple years ago. We played some
clips of her when she was on Democracy Now and being harassed
by the government. Yeah,
so she's been like me. She has been harassed and been held up
at the border. Big deal. This isn't happened to me many,
but she had a very worried look. She looked like she was about to
cry during. She does look very she has a great look. Yeah.
Okay, go on.
I said, Actually, I didn't know how to go about it. I've had
lots of experience because I've been working with as you note in
your thing. I've done filming with WikiLeaks. I know Jacob,
Jacob Appelbaum. I've already had encryption keys, but what he
was asking for was beyond what I was using in terms of security
and anonymity. And how did it proceed from there? Well, that's
where I'm not going into a lot of details, but sort of ongoing
correspondence. I didn't know I didn't have any biographical
details or where he worked had no idea. He made claims and said
that he had documentation at that point, it was all
completely theoretical. Why do you think he contacted you?
Well, I can't speak for him. I think he got was it say He told
me he'd contacted me, because my border harassment meant that I'd
be a person who had been selected to be selected and he
went through a whole litany of things means that everything you
do every friend you have every purchase you make every street,
you cross means you're being watched. You probably don't like
how the system works, I think you can tell the story. Now,
this to me, it almost makes no sense. This is Laura Poitras is
a filmmaker, unless he wanted to have you know, get a feature
film role. Why would you contact her specifically, if you know
that she's being watched by everybody? But here's the thing
that that got me that would sent me into a tailspin. I can say
from conversation to have with him after that. I think he had a
suspicion of mainstream media and particularly what happened
with the New York Times and the warrantless wiretapping story,
which as we know, was shelved for a year. So he expressed that
to me, but I think also in his choices of who we contacted I
didn't know he was reaching out to Glenn at that point. And
here's the line that that caught me off guard. You and Glenn were
already colleagues right? You sit on the board together. I'm
like board, but board is that
that's okay.
Oh Ha. Look at the good get oh no, this is beyond look at the
freedom of the press Foundation, which you can find it freedom.
Press Freedom foundation.org And here they are ladies and
gentlemen. The Board of Directors, Daniel Ellsberg.
Glenn Greenwald, John CUSEC, John Perry Barlow, Josh Stearns,
Laura Poitras, Rainey Reitman, Trevor Tim Xeni Jardin mica Lee,
are you kidding me? So I'm like, wait a minute. And you know me
when it comes to any good foundation, I'm all over it. So
I'm looking at to for the for the nine nine use of the
foundation of the freedom of the press foundation doesn't exist
because they are not a real foundation. What they do though,
is they take 8% of all donations, they bundle which
they hand on to the organizations they benefit. The
organization's our wiki leaks, the Bureau of Investigative
Journalism Center for Public Integrity Truthout muck, rock
news, National Security Archive and the uptake. That's who
they're promoting this week, and they say right there, they take
8% of all donations to I guess, pay for their own salaries. So
who's really behind the freedom of the press press foundation?
Well, it says it right there on the website. The freedom of the
press foundation is made possible by the fiscal
sponsorship of the foundation for national progress. Gee, what
is that, John?
You tell me Adam, Mother Jones.
The foundation for national progress is you didn't even have
a website. It is mother jones.com. Who, so they are a
nonprofit. They had a nice $9 million income Not bad for a
nonprofit blog. Now I have to say they also publish they've
been publishing for a long time. Very interesting history.
Michael Moore was the editor got into a huge fight. He sued them
for $2 million. They settled out of court. You know, this is if
you if you look at their their reporting on 911 They are
totally all in on the 911 Commission Report. They laugh
about the truth or movies, they laugh laugh about the Truther
movement. They of course do not report who's donating this nine,
almost $10 million other than they break it up. 2 million is
from advertising. 4 million is from programs they do where you
know, so they have specific, I guess, fun drives, etc. And then
there's another 4 million that's kind of how roughly how it's
split up. That comes from directly from donors who they by
law do not have to mention, but we do see that the George Soros
Open Society Institute has donated at least $600,000 to
them this year alone. So these guys they're not clean. And they
are funding directly funding. Greenwald Poydras Barlow, Jr.
Den Come on people. Come on. This is this is getting a little
too obvious.
And Mike is in there too. That kid Yeah. That's a good one.
That's a good dig.
It's but it's to me. How can you have this? This freedom of the
press foundation? It's not okay. Our mission. Our mission is
dedicated to helping defend and support aggressive public
interest journalism focused on exposing mismanagement,
corruption, and law breaking in government. We accept tax
deductible donations to a variety of journalism
organizations that push for government transparency and
accountability. How,
what big news did they break that showed corruption in the
government? Nothing? Well, they must have done something more
than just have a couple of beers together and it's been split up
to 900,000.
Well, all that all they are is a front group for for Mother Jones
is essentially just to go collect money and then they say
that they're giving this money to WikiLeaks, but they're not
they collect the money. They take 8% This freedom of the
press Foundation, they give the 92% to Mother Jones. And I guess
Mother Jones then gives it to WikiLeaks, although I could find
no evidence that in their in their form 990. So I'm not so
sure they do that. Maybe they do. But this freedom of the
press foundation is not a real foundation that at least they're
not registered with the IRS as such, or anything that I could
find. But this group, Xeni Jardin COMM And I've suspected
her for a long time now I'm sure this is a spook club. I'll say
it.
Well, that's a pretty odd group.
Yeah, sure.
The only two people that were in the there aren't leaving having
a wiki pitches is Trevor Tim, and Rainey Reitman.
I've heard the name Rainey Reitman somewhere, but I'm not
sure in what context
also affiliated according to the wiki, with the Electronic
Frontier Foundation, which is also knee deep into this, I
also am and I have my suspicions about them. I've had my run ins
that were not so great.
I've had other people with similar complaints. To NGO.
Yeah, well, the NGO Exactly. So when I put all of this together,
and I look at all the pieces that are on the table, it
appears to me that this was a very elaborate setup, and I'm
not quite sure who was the Patsy and all of this. In fact, I will
say that the freedom of the press Foundation, these guys are
probably more patsies than even we realize they really believe
that they're they're great. I look at what Glenn Greenwald
tweets all day, the guy he's very full of what he's doing
here. And by the way, Glen, come back to America. You know,
everyone wants to know, I want Glenn Greenwald to come back to
America. Why doesn't he live here? throwing rocks from
Brazil? That's easy. No, no, there's lots of patsies here.
And when you hear the President set it up,
and by the way, well, ya know, on almost almost as
a non sequitur, in the conversation about drones and
Muslim Americans. And all of a sudden, he says we need to have
this conversation about the balance between security and
privacy. And then a few weeks later, this comes out. He flees.
I'm not buying the coincidence anymore. I'm just not. He knew
he knew it was coming. Whether he was complicit in it or not,
he knew was coming. It was known within circles by this time,
because this goes back to January, February. They had
already been the Guardian had already been to the White House
and to the Department of the Defense Intelligence and to the
NSA. Everyone knew what was going on they also now this is
good, good to go. No national security problem here this this
good to go things first problem number one, the second problem
which I do have a clip on. And I want you to play and just tell
me if you can identify this problem because this this is
Glenn Greenwald and democracy now with with our friend Amy.
And there's a big hole in the way that this is presented. And
I think this probably helps you build your your case
developments
over the weekend, and then we'll go to your latest revelations
about the countries that have offered Edward Snowden
asylum.
What happened to Evo Morales, the
Bolivian President who's playing was forced down in Austria. Oh,
please,
kid. This makes me want to puke. All right, we'll keep going
because it
was believed Snowden was on board.
I think that the United States government has been its own
worst enemy in this entire episode, the idea that they
would pressure their European allies to block the plane
carrying the president of a sovereign state from flying over
their countries and force it to land rather dangerously in a
country I had no intention of landing in simply because they
wanted to deny Edward Snowden the international well
established right to seek asylum is a really radical and extreme
act. It just smacks of rogue nation status and the kind of
imperialism and colonialism that Latin America has long shaped
that and I think that's the reason you're seeing so much
support for Snowden and Latin American governments and among
the populations as well
too for for such a well researched journalist for
someone who really does all his homework and is heralded as just
a fantastic all round guy living in Brazil. Why does he not have
a copy of the aircraft's Foxtrot Alpha Bravo 001 The Falcon
Trident as it requests to land in Austria because they which is
a lie a pilots lie, because they can't really tell how much fuel
they have left I will remind you with the clip
001 Evening information whiskey expect
Do you need any assistance?
They need any assistance.
So he says Do you need any assistance? And of course, the
what he shouldn't be saying is you are hereby forced to land
land your aircraft immediately. You ain't no you've got him on
board you will land here now.
Not at this moment. Because we are we cannot get a correct
indication of indication.
Okay, so there's the lie.
There's your forced land is forced landing, forced landing.
And these guys one's gone with this meme. All these guys have
gone with this meme. And this is this gets to me, because every
time I've watched the mainstream media or Democracy Now I
mentioned this in the newsletter. They're all in on
this bullcrap. And no one wouldn't take very little work.
I mean, we uncovered this real hard, is it? How hard is it? And
unless you're doing it on purpose, and I think it's. And
the funny thing is, as more and more revelations come out, we
find out that Portugal never blocked them from going on. They
just blocked them from landing.
They said we don't have we don't we can't handle you right now.
Which is not unusual, which is probably why he said, You see,
okay, I'm a pilot. So I get I get to say this with authority.
When you want to change something, a flight plan,
something is unplanned, you have to communicate with air traffic
control. And some if you know the guy or the gal, you can say,
hey, I need you to Could you please give me some it's
actually they say, for your consideration. This is how you
talk with air with air traffic control for your consideration
when this is what I'd like to do. But if you don't know the
person, you have to say either we have you can't declare an
emergency, you cannot declare an emergency if you don't have one
that can that can lose your license for good. But you can
say yeah, we've got something going on here that we don't
really like I've got a little fuel indication issue or I've
got a sick passenger, which you know, I didn't say it a heart
attack. It could be puking could be air sick, whatever. These are
the lies that you use. Remember that the Bolivian President had
just come from Moscow. So the whole thing was set up. Hey,
I'll make we'll make a landing. We'll make a big stink about it.
We'll do a press conference. That's what happened. And your
great media, your guardians of Guardians of reality they're in,
in Brazil, and democracy now. They're all in on it. Why can't
anyone question this?
Now, no one's questioned it. There's always been they've been
forced down and then that plane was searched because they
thought Snowden was on board. Yeah. And there was no in the
reality of it. There was no thought that Snowden was on
board. No, then nobody they gave the clearance to go all the way
I mean, this whole thing I think Putin is behind it.
Well, no, I Putin is certainly behind this part. And
here's what we want you guys to hit. Did you want to do Bolivian
Gikas or trade partners five I got a great idea. Listen to
this. You don't have to do it if you don't want to. But why don't
you just go float and go into instead towards Europe and then
just get somehow land in Austria and we're just requested and we
you can do it a lot of different ways. And then we'll dream up
this bullcrap story and see what happens. It's just it's just
amazing to me that this has not been it hasn't they haven't gone
one since one little layer deeper. They're just this whole
thing. These people are just horrible. Here's let me read the
finest anybody watched this news?
Oh, it's the Okay. Obviously they got hot chicks. Hello. I
watched it for the women. I even watched it for some of the guys
Williams. Here's the final paragraph that is this is a
great interview. It's in salon, by the way who I think are
complicit in this whole thing is where Glenn Greenwald came from.
You know salon is financed literally financed the $3
million a year deficit by the owner. have Adobe, not the
chairman, the whole everyone's in on this. So how did it get to
the point? The question is asked of Laura Poitras filmmaker who,
who Snowden reached out to because that's, that's the
person I'm gonna go to.
Yes. Am I being constantly watched? Yeah, I'm gonna go to
the person constantly
watch who has no newspaper? How did it get to the point where
you knew it was going to be a story and how did you decide
where where it was going to be published? So right here salon
is presuming in the questioning that she determined where it was
going.
She was the handler. She's the handler, yeah, her story, her
answer. Those are details I'm not going to go into what what I
what I can say is that once I had a few pieces of
correspondence I said, let me ask a couple of people about
this people who have experience and I sat down with a couple of
people, one of whom was Bart Gellman at Bart Gellman at that
point was not working for The Washington Post. You'll recall
him saying that he was brought in as a consultant to publish
this story. So he actually walked the story to the
Washington Post this thing it's a setup it's a club makes its
its thinks of a cleanse cleansed out. Intestine.
So let's listen to a couple of things from this guy who was the
really old old one the oldest, I've never seen him before. I
never heard him before I because when it comes to wish
whistleblowers from the NSA, I've always been a fan of
Benny's. Yeah, because Benny I've seen him do public
speaking. I've listened we've had clips of him and he seems
genuinely
annoyed. But he's not dynamic, though. Binney is kind of like
the No, he's not
dynamic at all. He's he's like, like, the pissed off. boring
person.
He's like the guy with the red stapler. So let's,
right, I got my staple stamp, I'm gonna burn the place down.
They're gonna burn the place down. So let's listen to this
Tice character who's on Russia. This, by the way, got most of
the attention of the of the Twitter's and all the people
that
we've run twice before right Tice is the guy that said he
even had to eavesdrop on then Senator Obama.
Yeah, because Tice had a thing on boiling frogs. He was
interviewed. Yes. Yeah. By car bears. B. Smith, who's an old
fashioned guy. He's an old DJ type. And he. So every question
is like this. Well, Adam, what else did you in fact, you were
doing a thing now with the thing you just gave it. What? Well,
Adam, what else did you find out about John Perry Barlow?
Well, I found out that he is a former cattle rancher and one
time lyricist for the Grateful Dead.
And can I ask you another question? Yes, please go ahead.
On the list of the key people on the freedom of press foundation.
Yes. Why is John Kuzak mentioned
I think probably because he has done many military industrial
complex movies. You remember the one he did about the war in
Iraq? You remember that this guy is a total shill and paid actor
for the Mi see.
Oh, very good dad. I'm very good report. I
will say no, my my my thanks goes to you, sir. Dvorak. I'm
always happy to be on your program.
So anyway, so Carter B. Smith is interviewing like that with with
Tice. And it's just you can't keep it? Yes. It's almost like
cracking up all the time. So because there's not
conversational, which is really, you know, it's very old
fashioned, right. So let's listen to Thai. So more
recently, where he actually brought out a couple of new
little tidbits about and he was the guy who was right was
involved with this spying on Obama in 2004. I have
he's because he's a whistleblower. He is an NSA
whistleblower is the NSA or CIA? Yeah, no,
no, he was NSA. How come he's
not dead or in jail?
Well, I think it was. That's a good question.
It doesn't qualify as a great question. But it's worth noting.
It's worth noting, but we'll we'll play him anyway, even
though he's, you know, and he seems like a nice enough guy.
But he's, he's been out of the NSA for so long. They can always
just add, what does he know? So let's play I got three clips
from Tice, which have a couple little interesting little items
we may want to discuss, play one
of NSA abuses go far beyond what people are even talking about
right now. How far does it go for us?
Well, it goes very far. Because initially, what I saw was they
were targeting news organizations, they were
targeting targeting US companies that did international business,
they were charging, looking at financial institutions. But they
were also going after the State Department and Secretary of
State Colin Powell at the time, and they were going after high
ranking military generals. And that was just with my space
capabilities that I saw. Now later, when I got together with
colleagues, and we started to put together the terrestrial
side. That's the side that is being done with all those nodes
all over the country with the fiber optics and that sort of
thing. Then we found out that it got much worse. You because and
this was just the phone that we were looking at, but it was also
being done at the email level. But that wasn't the information
I was getting the information I was seeing. Were phone numbers
that were being plugged into a system that was going after
people's phone, phone numbers, and associated numbers and a lot
of a lot of numbers. I wasn't even sure but they went after
they went after law firms and lawyers. They went after more
generals, General Petraeus was one of the guys that seemed like
right about that three star level was they were going after
admirals and generals. They went after the Supreme Court of which
I held. Judge Alito has paperwork in my hand numbers
associated with Judge Alito, that someone had put into the
system that NSA used to spy on Judge Alito. And let's
just break this down a little bit. Because these are explosive
allegations right now that I have not heard anyone talk about
before that they're actually ordered that us personally saw
in your hands to wiretap Judge Alito, high ranking intelligence
officers, David, trans. Barack Obama
want to be Senator Barack Obama at that time, he wasn't even a
senator. He had won his primary in Illinois. And I think maybe
the catalyst and I'm not sure was the fact that he had just
done a big speech at the Democratic Convention. All
right, hold on a second. It's yeah, it's not on PowerPoint.
But he is revealing information that enables al Qaeda to
circumvent all kinds of measures we have in place. This this he's
a felon and a traitor. And he's doing it with the Russians,
literally. He's on Russia funded state media saying this
and the question you're asking me, let me try to guess this,
but you're gonna say, why isn't somebody making a
fuss about this? That would be one way of phrasing.
Those guys on the car. Yes. Yes. Bag show.
Yeah, do this is only to fuel the conversation. This is to
give the Abby Martin's who I put in the same bracket as Alex
Jones. She even talks the same way. Now. Let's break this down.
This is explosive news. She's getting worried. We watch her
get fat watch. It's gonna happen and she'll start selling seeds.
You watch you watch. She's like, a vegan or
you watch you watch you watch. It's all about to happen. Well,
we'll
keep an eye on her. Okay, so let's move on with more of Tice.
Yeah.
Number two. Yeah, I
guess the next question is Who is it? Who was administering the
surveillance?
That's a good question. I don't know the answer to that. It
looked like the, the plugging in of these phone numbers was being
done in the evenings at NSA. So almost, it was like being done
on the sly even so that most NSA employees did not know what was
going on. Now a high level person at NSA told me this was
being directed from the Vice President office. That would be
Vice President Dick Cheney. I don't know that for sure. But
that's what I was told from a very senior person at NSA, a
high level
Bush administration official, I guess the next question is, why?
Why was it being done? I mean, the first thing that comes to my
mind is blackmail. I don't know the answer to that either. What
do you think? I mean, based on your experience, Ross. What?
Because we were hanging out at the bar having a drink earlier.
Why is happening and spying on people like Obama judge will
veto the trace
they should put him in the club in the Freedom of the Press Club
is not Oh, Leto, it's Alito. I like oh Lido better. That's just
kind of doing what we do. Now. He's like making fun of people's
names. Doing a lot of what we do. Yeah. So I hear you
hit the word. You know, to me, I don't know for sure. But that
would be a means of control. If you were to look and be able to
listen to everybody's conversation for years on end
for a period of time. You could probably find out perhaps some
salacious information that could be used to control that
individual,
salacious, salacious, vicious information. These you said Abby
steals Adams line. What is this?
Abby steals EMS line?
What's a clip I see? But
I can't trust anybody. I mean, all these political politicians
just seemed like actors. I mean, I call these the Hollywood for
Ugly people. Tell what these people really think. But I
wanted to go into the media.
I call. I call DC Hollywood for Ugly people, because I heard on
the no agenda show, then I can't think of a single original
thought myself. Yes, it's alright because we're, we're
raking her over the coals here. That's fine. That's fair.
Okay, tastes really weird,
but you know what she should do?
Here? Abby. Abby, let
me give you a tip. What really works if you come out of like a
package, okay. With let's say someone who's a real douchebag
you go ahead and you say what a douchebag say it. I'm telling
you, your audience will love it.
Yeah, they would. I think you're right. This is what I'm gonna
hold you now.
Tip. You scolding you scolding me? Yeah, why?
This is like free consulting. You're taking money out of the
pockets but my child divorce consulting your child's giving
it away. But you got a crush on the woman.
I'm sorry. I don't know what I'm thinking. Yes, I'm appropriately
scolded.
Alright, tastes three. Well, I
have two ties three clips. So can you tell me which one you
want? Intel or police?
Okay, I think intel that this by the way, I said the Intel one
was funny. I'll set up the Intel one. She's saying, well, if
they're saying, Well, is it possible that is not Cheney,
although I actually liked that. Very funny. It could be the
upper echelons of intelligence community. And he discusses that
if say it's the intelligence community, I noticed that the
intelligence community has not been hit with the sequester the
intelligence budget, well, how was that possible? Is there some
kind of leverage that's being placed on our three branches of
government to make sure that the intelligence community is gets
what they want? In other words, is the intelligence community
running this country? Not not our government? That's I guess
that begs the question, what is there some sort of shadow
government at play? I mean, are we talking about the military
industrial complex?
Like Can't you say New World Order it can she say it in the
next 20 seconds here?
What do you think as an insider and through all your research
and people that you've talked to? Who's running the show here?
Ross?
Well, remember I don't know for sure. I just know I didn't know
that a whole lot of people got wiretap but I guess I would say
it's the it's the the upper echelon of the intelligence to
the intelligence community. There's running the show
yeah, nice choice of words. Echelon always good to use the
throw that in and of course, we know the CIA runs the show. Da
and now we have the new douche from the FBI coming in coming in
from HSBC, the very well they
gotta keep everything you know, this drug the the background, or
is that running drugs? That's why they don't want to legalize
drugs in this country. Despite what nobody was talking about.
Portugal's experiment working just fine. What is it now
unfortunately, they lie about it. I've seen I had clips, which
I haven't played but clips where this guy's are on TV. So you
know, Portugal. It's a disaster and call and everybody's strung
out on heroin.
Stoned man, I
mean, they just lie about
this. Do you see commies? A confirmation hearing? No, but
play that Brasserie get rid
of this last time
tangible letter that goes to the post office. They're taking a
picture of everything. They're looking at the return address,
and they're looking at the
John, the guy is just a promoter. He's just out there to
promote and he looks at the newspaper goes, Okay, I'll say
that and also all right now Oh, it's crazy. Look what they're
doing. This guy probably never even went inside the NSA,
who's mailing something and that is also being digitally store.
So every means of communication in this country. Everything is
being watched by by the federal government and that is
Orwellian. And that is a trademark of a police state.
Yeah. Okay. So the fact that he's going on second rate shows
like Abby Martin on our tea break the set shows you I mean,
there's no ratings on that there's no one watching that
except people who want to buy seeds and us. I look at the
ratings. I mean, come on. This is you got it. You got to be on
Fox. If you're not on Fox and you're not on news. You can CNN
works if you're on often enough because they might repeat it. So
if you're on pooper show, maybe
not certainly not in place.
So we have this guy Comey. Now Comey was in the bush he
call me 2012. That's right. Yeah, close the movie made about
him. Told me 2012 This
is the guy Exactly. Now a lot of people are looking at his
history stack by the way, one of our producers is so deep on this
guy. And you know how the FBI runs Intel to get an edge on the
financial markets? Which I'm sure it's all true. He's just a
second really deep into that I love
to Yeah, once I mentioned to uh, what you mentioned on the show
that the real key here is just switch it all around. Don't make
it about spying on people, at least just generally, but make
it but spying on people who are doing mergers and acquisitions.
Yeah, see what kind of deals what kind of deal you can get in
on you get to go long. I mean, these guys are walking out of
the guys who have this sort of insight. They're they're walking
they go into a government job for 85 to $125,000 or whatever
they pay that that these at this echelon, they they walk away
with millions of dollars. How does that work? How do you make
so many good stock market trades when it's not your job? Now,
here's what gets better with this guy. Now he was in the Bush
administration. He he was pretty he also approved Have
waterboarding people. Okay, well oversee that. It's like, well,
we'll let that slip by. And that's it. Yeah. It's just a
bunch of Arabs, you know, cares. No problem there. We're all
good. And there's three hours of testimony was funny. It was
like, it was like a like a bar mitzvah. I should have just
given him presents. It's like, Hey, welcome to The Club.
envelopes of money. Yes. taped to his jammies. Sure
he's used
as well. He's on the board of directors of HSBC. HSBC, who
just settled for a little under $2 billion with no one going to
jail for laundering drug money from Mexico which is what the
economy is running on so I'm also I'm not against any of this
all power to you. It's all great. I'm fine with that banks
running keeps everything running and keeps everything I
want to remind people out there if you want to just make sure
you have a little background on this get a grant or get it off
Netflix. Cocaine Cowboys. Yeah. And see how the banks in South
Florida oh my god, how they blossomed in blue. There's
hundreds of them making nothing but money. It's funny. Oh, the
whole scene dried MSNBC.
No, CNBC, they played that movie A couple weeks ago. No, they
always have like,
yeah, it's like a psych a schizophrenic network. It's
like they celebrate, to during the day, they have the you know,
the stock market and Maria Bartiromo and all the money
honeys. And then at night they celebrate with shows about
hookers and drugs is fantastic. Like, hey, this is our other job
is to HSBC who got this great settlement. And he's on the
board of directors and the FBI, his job is to literally stop
this kind of fraud. This is what they're supposed to do. So this
guy is going to be in charge of his former buddies. Anyway,
that's fine. It makes so much sense to me. But during this,
this little confirmation someone has asked about it. He finally
gets a question from a Democratic senator, I forget her
name. He actually I don't have it on the clip. But she says you
know, my dad's a reporter. So I have to ask this question,
public safety, and I'm a co sponsor the free flow of
information act. That was the first time it was introduced,
and I am now to protect the freedom of the press. Can you
talk about your views on how law enforcement should balance one
of our nation's most cherished stripes that's freedom of the
press and the investigations of classified information leaks,
they can bounce law enforcement can balance it most importantly,
by keeping front of mine both of those values their secrets we
must keep and so we have to investigate their loss and that
may lead to bumping into the media. But excuse me, I bumped
into you with my billy club when we do those bumps we have to
understand we essentially bumps
you know bump is basically putting cocaine on the tip of
your penis and inserting it annually into someone just so
you know a call me next time you use that phrase to what a
remarkable country this is, is that aggressive sometimes pain
in the neck press. They're a great pain in the neck. And so
an enforcer has to keep both of those front of mind Enforcer.
And then in each case, try to work keeps using the
phrase front in mind in mind bump enforcer,
this guy is gay. So you preserve both of those values. You're
going to make mistakes but if you keep both front of mind I
think in the main
front of mind it's in the front of mind get it right in front of
mine is where you have a lobotomy. So I think that's
probably why need to keep it there so they can remove it
surgically.
And and I'm aware of the shield legislation, I testified about a
different shield bill, when I was still in the government that
didn't have a carve out for national security, which was
very concerning to us. I got it this is different.
Yeah, didn't have a carve out a carve out carve.
He actually pointed out what we pointed out which is which
occurs this is just listen to nobody but us. But he pointed
out what the problem was with this bullcrap shield law. And
when the media goes, oh, there's gonna be a shield law. Obama's
idea. There's a carve out. It's not a shield law.
And I just need to say it hold on a second. What is that first
amendment right? Yeah, okay. I just want to read it so people
understand why this conversation by itself is unconstitutional. I
shall read for you again because people forget to do this. The
text Wow, Wikipedia. Why don't you just show the text here it
says Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of
religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof, or
abridging the freedom of speech or of the press or the right of
the people peaceably to assemble and to petition the government
for a redress of grievances. Again, Congress shall make no
law any so shield law is unconstitutional because it has
the word law in it. shield law. Congress shall make no law to
abridge the freedom of the press Done. And these people are
sitting there with a straight face asking these questions and
he's answering it that way and no one is going yeah oh wait a
minute. I blow blows my mind.
I know it does you love this. Well, you love the Veda these
guys are divorced boneheads This is our Congress. Yeah. Yeah. I
don't know if they've read the Constitution. Yet. It
was really bad. Here we are an hour into the show. We have not
thanked our executive producers. The only reason the show was on
the air. So let me say right now in the morning to you John C.
Dvorak.
Well, in the morning to you, Adam curry. And I wanted to also
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Do not just give I'm chiding them, chiding them, okay.
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have a blank thing here on mine but I think it's okay, some
there's something amiss with this. For one thing, I don't
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is this is this just incorrect? This is something wrong on this.
I don't know what this
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to get came at 252 52 and he of course is the Baron I guess he's
becoming 750 to 750 I did what I owe him sorry 752 52. I just got
a rat repaid for an old debt. It means I can ship in a bit more
this time. Hopefully this helps the doldrums of summer also gets
me my dukedom. So he's gonna be the Duke of
Oregon. Nice.
He defers to the peerage officer for how big a chunk of the NAFTA
territories I'm granted.
Take all you want. First come first serve this week.
I think I'll get we'll we'll discuss this over some email.
But he'll probably end up with Jefferson. Which I think
would be really that's that's a nice, nice little chunk right
there.
Yeah, sir. JD of southern Silicon Valley a 529.
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Let's just give him some credit. card list.
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Yeah, that pretty much discredits every single news
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Yeah, unless that Yeah, every single one. Yeah, I don't get
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Okay, that will be the exact words and you will get blocked
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Java do this I block people
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late in the show, okay propagate the formula William. Bar formula
is this. We go out. We hit people in the mouth And
I would like to mention two quick things. One, there is the
FCC has made you know, it's funny because the, you know, the
President put out an executive order, which essentially says,
when a time comes I all your frequency all belongs to me.
Everything you've got that transmits, receives blinks. It's
all mine, and I can do with it, whatever I want. That's, I
think, pretty much a direct translation of the entire
executive order. And while I was looking at the regulations of
really what he can do, and of course, the president can do
quite a lot. Turns out that the FCC is making no one's really
talked about this. The FCC is making 1000 Low Power FM
stations available to nonprofits. And you can add,
it's very simple that and I'll put a link in the show notes
under PR. You can go to the FCC website, you have to be a
nonprofit, which is not that hard. You just fill out some
paperwork. Yeah, just paperwork. And then you can become a
community radio station, which of course would be perfect to do
what, oh,
rebroadcast. No agenda show broadcast, no
agenda show, it would be fantastic. Imagine 1000. That
could be 200 per state. that would that would actually work,
John, and wouldn't you know, we could get, you know,
200 per stay would be a lot more than
what 200 per state would be. I know, you're right. That would
be 10,000.
But you know, start. Yeah, no, I think we get we will get maybe
five or six to do it. Maybe.
Maybe. We were talking about all these journalists. And there was
a bit that obituary that came through. Are you familiar with
Austin Goodrich?
That name rings a bell, but I can't doesn't. I don't know who
it is and Goodrich
of Port Washington who just passed away? Let me see who
wrote
that in the General Hospital soap opera, something
he wrote for? Let me see. Let me just see here he wrote for you,
boy, how come I'm not finding this? Well, let me just read the
read kind of the headline. Because no one bats an eye at
this good rich. Combine journalism with undercover
service. You never know who might be a CIA agent. That was
the case with Austin Goodrich of Port Washington. While Goodrich
was overseas during the Cold War undercover as a CBS News
freelance reporter and writer, almost everyone was in the dark
about what he was really doing. They're working for the US
Central Intelligence Agency and recruiting disenchanted
communists to help the other side. And no one says, Hmm, I
wonder if there's more journalists who are working for
the CIA? instead? No hero? I'm not saying that. He's not a
hero.
Yeah, but no, well, no, you want to say as a hero because then
you can encourage more people to work for the CIA because why
not?
Good, rich and native of Battle Creek, Michigan joined the CIA
after graduating from the University of Michigan and
Nancy, when they recruit you. His CIA career took them to
Norway, Sweden, Finland, the Netherlands. Germany and
Thailand. Yeah, okay. Just so you know, just so you know how
it works. Don't tell me that it's not happening. Don't tell
me that that's handled is very effective. Freedom of the Press
Club is not some kind of Oh, yeah. Who's buying the beers is
my question.
I think one of the I think it's funded, the beers are funded. So
I still have this with this battle. Go with this. This
brouhaha going on, which I still think is somehow targeting
Obama.
Oh, no, I think we are in agreement about that. But
I'm still wondering, I still get the sense especially after
listening to Tyson these guys coming in at midnight, you know.
Let's go over to the NSA offices and run and run the thing on
that hot redhead we saw. Yeah, yeah, let's run that. Let's
right, you know. That's funny. Cops and people in law
enforcement generally will always run plates on the
hotties.
And let's, let's be honest.
So we're going to constantly so so that's what you do. I mean,
if you had the access to the to the terminal, at what time was a
good time to come in? Anytime after midnight, nobody's around.
Okay, so you go in there and you punch about you with a couple of
drunk buddies. He's got a look up, look up so and so and then
you start listing Yeah. Oh, there's a call when he there's
where he's what is this? What is he calls this? His wife and then
he calls this other number who is Michelle? Oh, that's
interesting. Michelle, What's your last name? Oh, oh, does she
work over the agency? Yeah. Well, let's listen to the call.
Okay. I mean, come on people exactly what they're doing and
so they're, and I'm sure the blackmailing is going on and all
the rest of me, it's obvious to me that I mean, if they were
running the these machines are running, just listening in on
Obama in 2004. What do you think they were doing with Ross Perot,
this guy was, yeah, he dropped out for no good reason. Right.
And he dropped out for some some something weird happened there.
But in fact, just to remind people about the about the, the
angle, the the, or the blackmail angle, let's play two clips that
we played before. One of them is I got the holder clip is number
two. And the first one, which is clapper says No way I just want
to remind people that this happened in front of Congress
and nothing has come of it. So
what I wanted to see is if you could give me a yes or no answer
to the question. Does the NSA collect any type of data at all?
On millions or hundreds of millions of Americans? No, sir.
It does not. Not wittingly.
There are cases where they could inadvertently perhaps collect,
but not not willingly.
You realize, John, this is a performative as taking place
here you do or don't you? Yes,
but it's still what's called even though there's performative
is called perjury in most Well,
that depends on how you look at it, because the question is, can
you give me a yes or no answer? And his answer is no. The
question is, the question is not question
is, can you give me yes or no answer and he didn't come back
and say, Yeah, I answered the question I.
I said no, yes or no answer. And he did not. He gave him the
winningly answer. He did not. He said no to the yes or no
question better off of that you joined the wittingly and that
kind of screws up his argue I
think, Okay, I think it's ruined the word wittingly forever.
Well, it's just one
thing for sure. In any normal sense of the word, if this was a
baseball player talking about a steroid use, which has been
brought up a number of times, yeah, the guy be hauled up on
charges. But now, we didn't even get to that. So let let him say
what he wants. Okay. Meanwhile, of course, holder, who is a
much, much smarter guy insofar as he's a lawyer, he's a lawyer,
lawyer. He knows the law. He's not he's not saying anything
about anything, especially when he can't say yes or no, but it
just asked, Could you show it to us that no phones inside the
Capitol were monitored members of Congress that would give a
future executive branch if they started pulling this kind of
thing off, would give them unique leverage of the
legislature.
With all due respect, Senator, I don't think this is an
appropriate setting for me to discuss that issue. I'd be more
than glad to come back in a in an appropriate setting to
discuss the issues that you have raised.
What does that mean? The wittingly
what does that so we have to realize that we're in a
blackmail state. Yes, the whole country is being blackmailed by
wine from the drunken goofballs who come and hit the terminal
and check out the redhead and find out where she lives. And
maybe they can ruin the maybe they can set it up. So they're
her husband dumps her by setting up some crazy ideas and a hooker
over there. There's all kinds of things you could do if you want
to get the redhead and
just not to gloss over it. But these things, it is real. These
things do happen. Look at Dominique Strauss Kahn. Yeah, he
was brought down as head of the IMF because of some scandal. I
mean, these these things do happen. And you need that and
from time to time you need that to happen. Yeah. And to me, Oh,
good. Personally, I think it's always funny. It's like, why
does it matter who someone has sex with? Why does that even
bother you? Under blackmail? Screw him? This is the thing
that the society society is, you know, there's one thing to be
killing
little boys might have an issue. There may be an issue there, you
know, no,
no, hold on, hold on. Stop. No. Where's the Catholic church
going to jail? No, we have no problem with that. Don't give me
that. John. We're all the priests going to jail. Oh, no,
that happened 10 years ago.
Just get out of that group and just move it over to England and
look at all these crazy Old Boys Town or all this other stuff
that's been going on. So
the answer is, we don't give a rat's ass we all live and
die. And that's why they get blackmailed they get then they
do what they're told.
Yeah, well, that's true. I think that the more you have in the
club, the better it is. Obviously, that's what you
really want. You want
systems in place to do this. And that's the way it worked in the
East Germany Stasi. And it was all over there. We're done,
which is through the countries over.
I use you said you sent me an email, which is highly unusual
as is. Or, I mean, if it's not some bonehead chick doing some
stupid thing on YouTube, which you seem to get a big kick out
of sending me all the time. I really disliked that you'd like
to bust me on Oh, take a look at that. And I
like what I'm waiting for something to happen like some
guy to come in and chop her head off or something. It's just like
some gum chick doing like, Yeah, can you do the webcam doing as a
frank thing? It's horrible.
It's horrible. And you've never even gotten wish to make a
collection of these and I should
we should not do that. This is not that's not an outstanding
product. So you turned me on to something that actually just
freaked me out. And I think you probably got the same thing. I
don't know why you sent it to me or if you felt it or I don't see
you have the clips. So I'm glad that I can bring this up. Let's
first go to San Diego. And I know that you saw this because
this was kind of weird. This said this woman is Catherine
Dvorak who I'm sure is not related. She does not look like
she's related to
us. He was Kim was a camera camera Catherine but
you don't know her right? That's just complete coincidence.
Yes. A coincidence. I have. I actually do have this clip. I
have the you gonna play the whole way. You
have the no I have a little piece of the clip. I have this
clip. But then I have a more important clip.
Okay, I would rather I have the whole clip.
Do you really want I have a minute? 36 How long is yours? I
don't know. Take a look. Where
is it? It's a call Hastings. Real last story.
Let me see your last night is I don't
that's not it.
13 seconds. Great.
Report from San Diego on Hastings. 3.5. Meg's
Oh, three minutes, four minutes. Now I've got the pertinence to
please, that's too long.
Okay. Well, I'm telling you that I want this clip in the show
notes, then,
of course, it's in the show notes. But I think what I went
the whole clip in the show notes. Yes. Now the whole clip.
I'll even play it as end of show clip if you want. If yes, you
decide that my piece is not pertinent to what is going on
this woman who is also I'm not quite sure where she's coming
from. And she tends to pop up kind of like as a freelance
reporter for the station, whenever it comes to government
corruption and weird stuff. And so she's reporting on the
Michael Hastings. He's the reporter who crashed into a tree
and the car brand new Mercedes Benz exploded. And so here's her
report. But then I want to get to the real clip, which you
sent. You wrote your first book,
I lost my love in Baghdad about
hold on wrong one. Oops, didn't mean to do that. Here's the San
Diego clip. what else what else stood out in your mind?
Well, the fact that when you go to the LA Police Department and
you guys fire department and you go to the different agencies,
they all said they couldn't comment. And some of them said
they were told not to comment on this story. So that kind of
stands out if you know, we look at the NSA, the government says
if you have nothing to hide, don't worry. I think it kind of
has a reverse role here. Now that I think we
have video of the scene, if we could show the video, you can
see what we're kind of give you an idea of what we're talking
about there is the actual scene.
Okay, so, so I love this way her mics off
as far as the accident goes and things that we do know it was an
extremely hot fire. And I've talked to military personnel who
have said that this is a extremely hot fire. I do
want to point out as I was listening to this, you know, I
have to be just as equally as fair as I am about reports about
the Sharen F trial. You know, why don't you have a quote from
a military personnel. I mean, that's kind of bullcrapping
that's just I really want to believe that but as bullcrapping
that this is not something you normally see with a car like
this is a 2013 Mercedes Benz. And the statement from Mercedes
said that they are aware of the accident and waiting to help the
LAPD but they have not got the call from Los Angeles Police
Department as of yet. So that intensity of the fire is very
concerning.
We're also we're just taking your word for it, but I really
do want to believe it. And also the placement
of the engine and the drive train, as we see here. They are
completely between 150 and 250 50 feet from the accident.
However the car was going south and the engine and drive caring.
Were behind it. And after I spoke with a couple of
university physics professors, they said in an accident like
this be engines and whatnot, we would go with the board. So
philosophy of the
show. What does your gut tell you in something like this?
You've been on a lot of news stories. What do you what do you
what are you looking at and where are you? Where are you
going with this?
Well, I'm looking at the positive all possibilities. I
mean, he could have been drinking and driving. That's
Certainly something he could have done that he was near the
clubs on Sunset Boulevard. So that's a possibility. But I'm
more inclined to believe that there were absolutely zero skid
marks. So something else happened either the car
malfunction, or something was on the car that allowed that to
trigger and blow up. Mercedes says their cars just don't blow
up. They take great
care has a great line, by the way, we take great care not to
have our cars blow up for them not to
do so you said something also very interesting that cars can
be remotely controlled is that you'd mentioned something to
that effect.
Absolutely. And that came out of the University of Southern Cal
art of San Diego here, they did a report in 2010, which they
took like a basic car like a Nissan Sentra. And using an iPad
like we all have here on the desk, they they were able to
hack into the car system and you know, operate the accelerator,
the brakes, windshield wipers, lights, steering. So there are
so many factors in play here. There's good there's a lot more
investigation that needs to be taken here and we'll continue to
follow it obviously, if there's any kind of foul play involved
yet we want to make sure we get that out to the public.
Now I need to say that it sounds like she's someone who's been
trolling the internet banned listening to our show, as one
example. And and she has she has no there's nothing there. It's
just her saying stuff. It's kind of a collection of things that
we've said I think she'd put a package together now there was
no package
and take a picture of a guy saying sometimes things what you
do on TV news Yeah, common.
I thought that was that was very poor.
This is more like an editorial. Yeah,
I thought it was very, very poor reporting. Although the facts I
think we'll stand but I really don't know if the police you
know, I've said to the fire No, don't don't know if there's been
specific who told the police not to say anything who told the
fire department. There's a lot of holes there. Now. And you
sent me you actually you? You told me I needed to watch
something and you couldn't find the video and I wouldn't look
for him. Because you said all you have to watch this thing.
This Michael Hastings interview is really worth it. I'm like,
where was it until television? Yeah, somewhere. Thanks, John.
Really helpful. You find the link,
part of the divorce act tradition as as Catherine would
point.
Exactly. Well, you you've held up the family honor. So I go on,
I find this thing. And I, you have you really have to see the
video to really, truly appreciate what happens here.
This is the guy I forget his name who who has a show on CNN
and his wife sitting at the table interviewing Michael grid,
Hoover, by the way.
Who's that? That's his wife.
If that's if you didn't know that that was his wife, but that
will be sitting next year. It's his
wife. Yeah. And he's sitting used to be with Fox. Yeah. And
he's sitting with Michael Hastings and his wife. And I and
I heard this interview and you have to really take it into
context. I think Michael Hastings has been managed by the
CIA for many years. They've been they've kept a very tight rein
on what he has published, he's been completely handled. And
this bodes very, very poorly. For me personally,
you wrote your first book, I lost my love in Baghdad, about a
girlfriend of yours at the time who was killed in the war? How
much have you spoken about that?
mean, we've spoken about it a fair amount. I met him as a
friend when he was going through the aftermath of this tragedy.
And I got to see just you know, how horrible and just how sad.
You were?
Okay, now, let me just set this up for you. Because this is how
I view the world. And you may think I'm a disgusting prick. I
know what you're gonna say to Yeah, because this guy's wife,
his girlfriend dies in a horrible way in Iraq, and then
all sudden, this hot blonde shows up to console him. Okay.
And he winds up marrying her I will process that you went
through in terms of mourning, and then meeting Elise and being
open to well, yet,
I think, you know, I was very fortunate to have fallen in love
with an amazing woman and she was killed in this sort of in a
very horrible, horrific way in Iraq. I mean, this is one of the
other reasons why, you know, we can have this sort of
intellectual conversation about Iraq, and I can throw these
numbers out there. But at the end of the day, nothing that
anyone is going to tell me really is going to change my
mind about how I feel deeply about about that worried because
of the sort of traumatic experiences he would happen to
her family, her friends and loved ones. I thought I thought
I mean, the first, the name of the book I wrote in her honor
was I lost my mother in Baghdad because I didn't think I could
love again. I was I was, you know, I feel very blessed and
fortunate that at least, you know, would have made and I
think, you know, the fact that she was able to to sort of get
past that is to me, you know, I feel pretty low. Okay.
One final note, wait
for it. Well, no, it's been misreported that Michael was
working on a piece about Jill Kelly at the time of his death.
In fact, his final unfinished story was about CIA Director
John Brennan. And Elise is now working on finishing that story
on Michael's behalf.
Okay. Who is at least Jordan, everybody? Well, very
interesting. Now, you may or may not know, The New York Times
published an obituary about Michael Hastings, which caused a
little bit of a ruckus in the press circles, because they kind
of discredited the work he had done on bringing down General
McChrystal.
We had clips on that right.
And as a response to this, at least, his new wife, who he who
shows up miraculously in in Iraq, and he falls in love with
says that she personally, she personally transcribed all of
the tapes that Michael did with for the McChrystal piece, so she
was intimately involved, and she personally transcribed them,
which of course, leaves a lot open to interpretation. Now she
is also going to personally finish the piece on former CIA
director. No, not Brennan. No. Brennan,
was it? Our betray is? No, no, no. Yes. She's working on now.
It's about Brennan. No, no, play that clip again. pretty lucky.
One final note, it's been misreported that Michael was
working on a piece about Jill Kelly at the time of his death.
In fact, his final unfinished story was about CIA Director
John Brennan.
I'm sorry, you're right, Ron. Regardless, she is going to
finish the piece on Brennan. She is also a member of the Phillips
foundation. Which is not to be she's a let me read her bio. At
least Jordan is a journalist and commentator whose writing on
politics and foreign policy has been published in The Atlantic
Newsweek Daily Beast Marie Claire blahblah. frequent guests
on CNN, Fox News. MSNBC also commented on BBC Fox. Oh, let's
see. She worked at the State Department as a speech writer to
Condoleezza Rice in the White House Office of presidential
speech writing in 2007, she joined the National Security
Council where she worked on pressing communication strategy
for Afghanistan, Iraq, Pakistan, while at the White House at
least worked for extended periods at the US Embassy
Baghdad and for the commanding general strategic advisory group
at the International Security Assistance Force. That's ISEF.
She's on the board of UNICEF's next generation. She's a
graduate of Yale.
Kind of sounds like a like a like a bob woodward story.
She is I believe, she was Michael Hastings handler. And
this bodes very poorly for me.
Why you think Mickey's your handler? Totally one
bad oyster you guys have always talked about this. Oh, yeah, I
go too far. I go to the minute she starts taking an interest in
cooking I'm out this is not good. This is definitely not
good. So did you see you saw the number did you see the look on
her face? When he when she was looking at him when he was
talking about how she showed up? It truly disturbing truly, truly
disturbing I really think that she was handling him
well, whatever the case she's not handling him anymore. The if
that's true, I think I here's the way this should play out
then based on this thesis and and I'm not going to argue
against the thesis because I've always thought the same thing
she'll win a Pulitzer or some Oh journalistic award Yes. That'll
be really high end and for this probably the Brennan piece when
she finishes it and it'll come out making Brennan look like a
beleaguered hardworking son of a bitch and it'll be it'll have a
number of of kill shots on people that whoever's running
things now are trying to get maybe Obama
and are very very possible and so
the be Soto looks like a revealing piece but it really
won't have much to do with Brennan right. And it'll win
some sort of an award or to maybe our should get something
for something else that someone else will have written for her.
And although she probably can right and and then she'll become
very famous and next thing you know, she'll be on the circuit,
you know, and it'll be a sympathy vote for her and she'll
be just like, Bob Woodward should be doing big books making
lots of money. I was brought up I think it was vite log in
stack. Who brought up this, this guy who he saw, I think it was
stuck. This James Bamford, who is one of these characters
that's either, you know, just a phony stooge, or he's got a
whole bunch of books about the NSA. He purports to be this big
NSA expert. And so I'm started looking into this character. And
there was a couple of things in here that he's talking about.
That he does all these he did. He's done two or three books on
the NSA, I think they're just all smoke screens. And he talks
about how they, they're capturing everything, including
microwave transmissions. And that's the one that kind of got
me there. And he specifically goes on about how they do this.
Okay. Now microwave transmissions are point to
point. Usually, there's, you've seen these things all over the
place, there's one on the Bay Bridge is a good look around
looks like a, like a like a small satellite dish rally.
Where the cover on Yeah, we'd like a dome or a pointy cover.
Right? And you pointed at another one of these
transmitters and they shoot they can you can shoot maybe 40
miles, if you can,
I think you can pretty much get until the curvature of the Earth
hits. I mean, you if you have enough power, because of course
it's microwaves. So your wavelength is very short.
Yeah, but you need you, you wouldn't be shooting it that
far, nobody was just a waste of energy, you tend to Shoot it,
shoot it at someone's head. And that wouldn't be a waste of
energy.
It would. But the point is, is that they have limited distance.
But he claims he made this claim that by that the NSA has
satellites that are in space, and they pick up the
transmissions from the one microwave to another because the
microwave will shoot at the other the receiver and then it
will you know part of it will because it starts to expand a
little bit part of it will get passed and go into space into
deep space. Yeah, it's microwave and there'll be coincidentally a
satellite position, that perfect spot to pick up to Trenton.
That's not to say that there's not 1000s of these little
microwaves shooting every which way. Yeah. And somehow this
microwave transmission is going to get into space, and then get
picked up by the NSA and with an apparently without handshaking,
which is necessary for any sort of electronic communication.
It's just not, it's not like throwing a bucket of water into
another bucket of water. There's a lot of transmission that goes
back and forth to make sure that you're getting it you don't just
send stuff you have to have. Now you have to do an act somewhere
along the line, but you can there is no way a satellite
Hold on, hold on. Let me just any of them you cross back just
a little bit. You if let's say a transmitter and a receiver or
two transceivers are communicating and they're
sending an ACK, that will be an acknowledgment packet. But if
you go past that receiver into the curvature of the Earth into
space, so you're essentially behind it a little bit behind
and a little bit above it, you can you can still receive the
transmission from the original sender, you just intercepting
wallets acting with its with the other transceiver. Um, I don't
know how much power is going on and how far it would travel. But
I'm not going to dismiss it right off the bat I am.
It's bullshit. Not I'm not so sure.
I mean, I've communicated with satellites with my little with
my little five watts here. I mean, you can do quite a bit
microwaves
little microwave thing. Directional microwave you using
on your little five watts. Yeah. It's directional microwave.
Well, I'm receiving directional microwave the sending is just
you're receiving
a broadcast. Oh, no. It's not directional. It's not beamed at
you. It's it from a satellite. There is Adam over there and
Austin. Let's aim the satellite know the central antenna out him
and beam it to it. If
you'd let me finish, the satellite comes over it has a
footprint it has a quite narrow footprint and you have about a
five minute window to communicate with it. It's not
specifically pointed at me but it is pointed at a it has a
footprint that it is sending down but that's sending down I'm
sending up purely for non directional antenna. I'm sending
up from a vertical polarized antenna and it's it's getting to
me I mean, there's a lot there's a lot about RF Be careful. I
know a lot about RF
I know about RF too. And I know that this was bull crap, would
they say that it's got a transmission from Union oil in
San Francisco hitting a little pot over here over by the
refinery. And somehow and by the way, these things are like 40
feet above the ground. Somehow this thing is gonna go all the
way through the Earth's atmosphere all the way past
where the earth curvature of the earth begins. That's the space
where coincidentally there's a satellite waiting there to
listen somehow been positioned there. If you're repositioning
the satellites to listen in and all this crap, these things are
going to be dead no time because they had needle rockets to move
them around.
First of all, they have enough of them. You know that the
entire low Earth orbiting satellite It ring that was
supposed to be that great phone sat, sat phone system was bought
up. So you can easily use the low the low orbiting satellites
for that there's enough of them. And yeah, I mean, I've
communicated on. Yes, a longer wavelength, but I get around the
earth with 200 milliwatts. So yeah, yeah, I have seen a lot of
things that are possible. And I'm not going to say it is
impossible. I'm just not impossible. No, I think I think
you're incorrect in this and I think I have more experience. I
don't care about your experience.
You're really oblivious to directional microwave. These
repeaters that are no I'm
not, I'm not. I'm very clued into it, which is why I'm saying
I think that you can get some scatter from the back end. I
think it would be possible. I'm not ruling that out. I'm not
saying you can do it with accuracy every single day. I'm
not saying that. It will always work. It depends on a lot of
factors which you don't know either, including
one of our experts out there as women
I am an expert. What are you talking about?
You're not you don't run a satellite business. Let's get
somebody who runs like this. Watch me shut off your DIRECTV
reality of this bullcrap.
All right. We can we kind of sure in the
lab, anything's possible. Now,
I'm saying that I think it's possible. But okay, it doesn't.
It's irrelevant. I name it. I don't even know why it's such a
big deal.
I just find it because we have another poser out there.
I will. Okay, well, they're all posers.
Okay, I have the clip of the day, then we're just go to that.
Okay. I'm ready. All right. So
here you we've talked about this on the show before. Do you
remember the radio days it sends you a record, usually big
transcription record and they end in a script? Yeah. And
then you ask the questions. And then you just basically cut in
the answer. So it sounds like you do it. I've done this on
television. You
do it on, you can do it live.
I actually I've done it live. I'll just repeat it for people
who haven't heard it. When I was doing the program countdown in
the Netherlands. This is 1984 8384 Janet Jackson sent out
a press kit. It was a big pneumatic tape where someone
asked her questions and then they left a little pause and she
answered the questions and I time I cut together take of her
answers. And I timed My question is we even put a little bit of
satellite fuzz in there that was before Digital's like we're Sra.
Janet, we're losing you. And that was my my satellite
interview as promoted as such in the Dutch newspapers. That said,
Adam curry has a satellite interview tonight with Janet
Jackson and the whole thing was fake.
And the you think they're doing this at Fox?
No, I can't believe that.
So here's a little tidbit with an interview with the substitute
host for Hannity who I think, picked up the wrong question.
And Rand Paul, and Rand Paul is not having any difficulty
hearing. He's listening to everything. And there's not like
a bad connection or effect is the fact that it's surprisingly
tight satellite or whatever connection or using ISDN.
Whatever. Listen, listen carefully to the question and
listen carefully to the answer.
Senator, let's talk about leadership very quickly. I have
a lot of time for a move on. Secretary of State John Kerry
was said to be yachting during this military coup going on. And
then two days later, while the bloodshed was happening in
Cairo, President Obama hid the links at the golf course, your
thoughts? Well, you know, I've asked Secretary Kerry directly
about this. And I said, I asked him, should foreign aid be
dependent on behavior? And he said, No. And if you're not
going to make it dependent on behavior, what kind of leverage
do you have with these countries? If they think we're a
sap, and we're gonna continue to give them money no matter what
they do, they're just gonna laugh at us as they cash their
check. And that's why I disagree with President Obama and
Secretary Kerry that really, if you're gonna give money at all,
it's probably not a good idea. But if you're gonna give it, it
should be dependent on behavior at the very least. Alright,
Senator, one quick question. I want to get in here before we
let you go Obamacare, the delay to 2015 for the employer
mandate.
That's good. That's good. Well, it's and that's a very nice
transition. I spent some time watching Jen Psaki, which you
spell PS Aki, but I've learned her name is Jen Psaki. You know,
Jen
Psaki is a Gen Misaki that's our favorite not Misaki
it's sucky You don't say?
Whatever you want. I'm calling her pisaq Do you know anything
about her? Yeah, she's never worked for a living in her life.
Oh, I
think you're wrong. Okay, Iran Sheetal. So this is very
interesting. Jen delay this.
She is I mean, you're well, I'm
gonna I'm going to play a little clip here so you can hate her.
She is the The spokes hold for the Secretary of State don't
have anything at the top. I imagine what made oh and our
shots back to what a day.
What a day. What a day a whole.
She is very condescending,
Jen Psaki. See, suck a soccer. She works for Kerry, when he had
his presidential run. Then she can't I'm looking for her. I
have her wiki page somewhere. Then she came back in. Two, she
was the President Obama's spokes hole on the road during his
initial presidential campaign. And then she left and she went
to the Global Strategy Group, where her clients were, oh, gee,
let me see. Oh, General Electric, Al Gore,
GlaxoSmithKline, Goldman Sachs, Microsoft, Silverstein partner
Starwood. So she is a professional spokes hole, who
used her government contacts, clearly, to get this cushy gig
over there at Global Strategy Group. But she is having a very,
very hard time of late because not only is our buddy Matt
teaming up on her, but also the guy she just mentioned in that
clip, a shot Muhammad she has, you're here, because she's
afraid of these guys, because these guys are taken new
prisoners. And it was I thought it was a very, very funny back
and forth. On this whole Can we call it a coup or not? And
there's a reason why the administration does not want to
call what has happened in Egypt a coup. And that is because by
law in the Foreign Assistance Act, I think is that what it's
called when you see it's called the foreign? No, I have it here
somewhere. Foreign, I think it is Foreign Assistance Act, which
again, on May 23, was set up by the President. This is how this
how slick this guy is. So if there was a transition of power
of what we would call a coup, then the the all foreign
assistance, according to the United States law has to stop
immediately has to be suspended at the very least because we're
not dealing with the same people. And here is her answer
to that. Because you know, running a democracy if you've
been it's not just being chosen, John, you have to understand
whether you when when does it determine if you're what
determines if you if you're a democratically chosen leader? If
you really are a good guy? I mean, it was somebody voted. Is
there anything else that could be a part of that? Oh, you sure
there's nothing else?
Well, you have to Oh, yeah, you have to do things democratic.
Means clarify. So when you say that, sorry. When you when you
say that you're engaging them to accept the process towards a
civilian, political. So are you are you asking them to kind of
abandon their fight to get Morsi back into power, or to accept
his ouster.
That's not a determination for us to make, we're asking them to
engage in the process, moving forward from here,
did engage in the process, they can their candidate one. And now
their candidate is not the winner. Now their candidate is
the loser, and he is the loser because he was ousted by the
military. Why should they engage in the process? Again, if they
did it the first time, and essentially got screwed?
Well, I know I said this, so many times, people were tired of
it on Wednesday, and that a democratic process is not just
about casting your ballot. There are other factors in terms of in
addition to that, including how somebody behave, and how they
govern.
There you go. It's not just if you were chosen this exactly.
This is how they think, oh, it's not just about getting chosen.
Oh, no. It's about how you govern if you're a nice guy or
not. And Matt is having none of this. It's really fun. Is
curl. So correct after you responded? Yes, that it is
continued aid is in the US national security interests. So
that's one number two, is a coup to try a determinate legal
determination that a coup happened would require a
suspension or cut off in all non humanitarian systems to Egypt,
including the 1.3 billion and FMF. Is that correct?
Well, Matt, because we're not there. We haven't made that
determination. No,
but the determinate that that determination would trigger a
cut off or suspension of the of the assistance, is that correct?
Again, I don't want to be analyzing what the legal options
are here. As that is being closely looked at, there are a
number of factors that are being closely looked at. I know we'll
continue to talk about this in the days ahead, but I'm not
going to get ahead of where we are.
I'm not asking you to get ahead of anything. Anything I'm asking
you just to just to confirm what the law says, which is that if
there is a determination that a coup happened, that a
democratically elected government was overthrown,
unconstitutional means that that would require a suspension or
cut off in assistance.
Well, that is that is that is, there is a broad legal
definition.
Don't you love this? I love how'd you like? Well,
this is doing really well at this.
Please, Oh, please, this is fine. I'm enjoying her. Oh, this
is wonderful to watch. And she had a she's a redhead, which of
course, you know, unfortunately, mean, she has no soul. But that
doesn't matter. She's also wearing a fire red jacket to go
with it. It's
just it's really funny what Colin built in many cases.
Right, Matt? But we're also looking at what happened here on
the ground. There are millions of people on the ground who do
not think it's who it was a coup was.
Their explanation here is, yeah, sure. The military came in and
arrested him. But you know, we have lots of people on the
ground who don't think that happened or something like that.
They factor
lots of factors in we're in the analysis process right now. And
I'm not going to get ahead of where that may or may not go
what
what is the fact that there are lots of people on the ground in
Egypt who don't think it was a coup have any bearing on this? I
mean, the determination is not being made by people on the
ground in Egypt. The determination, as Matt rightly
pointed out, is normally made by the legal advisors office at the
State Department,
and through an interagency process ourselves that of
course, takes a lot of miners into play. Newland,
you can listen all these clips, I haven't been in the show
notes. This was kind of funny. There's, there's like two little
things here. This is Matt is going to throw a zinger at her
first one last
thing I want to ask you about the current president.
President. Now he's coming. He's coming out of Egypt currently.
He's the interim, as you know, beyond that, I don't have a
further definition for you. Obviously, there'll be our hope
is that there are elections?
And just Will you let us know when the heat from the flames of
the burning hoops that you're jumping through to avoid taking
a position on this get too hot? For will that just be obvious?
Just let me know when the flames of doubt. And then she comes
back later with this one?
Is it your view that the law on the law into spending eight of
your determination of who is made of a coup was made is is
able to be interpreted that it can be interpreted is not the
right word. That that there it is open to interpretation? Well,
that if a that if it is possible under the law, that if a
democratically elected president is removed by a military in an
unconstitutional manner, it might not meet the standard, the
legal
mat, let me just be very clear that our focus is absolutely on
abiding by the law that is being analyzed and looked at right
now. There are also a number of other factors that go into our
policy related to Egypt. So I didn't want to do one without
the other.
Okay, so that just leads me to believe that you're not,
particularly in this case, and you say it's a case by case
basis. But in this case, you're not particularly interested in
interpreting the law as it is written, you're interested in
trying to find a way to skirt.
The legal offense is certainly determining and analyzing the
law as
it is written, let us know
your own analysis and I'm not a lawyer, and I'm not aware that
you are either, but you never know of any more.
To me, is humor. I mean, I watched this.
I know I'm not a lawyer. I know you're not a lawyer, but you
never know
you never know our lawyer. You could be a lawyer. I could be
completely wrong. I may have misjudged that. I mean, this is
so beautiful. And then Kearney spokes hold Carney for the White
House, he this guy has no shame
in a should bumping her up to carnies job. Well, here's
Kearney and he jumps through the hoops in a different way.
Well, you're correct that the President has been meeting
regularly with his national security team about the
situation in Egypt. You're also correct, as I said yesterday,
that we have not made a determination about what to call
or label the events in Egypt that led to the change in
government. You can't
say you can't say Kuzey this thing the minute he says cool,
then it's all over then all the money dries up so he can't say
it air. What can we and
I tried to be very straightforward about the The
elephant in the room, if you will, by saying, I'm trying to
be straightforward about the elephant in the room. Just say
cool.
I think there's an elephant in the room here. And it is in our
national interests, best interests of the United States.
And the best interests in our view, Oh, shut
up. Here's McCain. McCain calls that as he sees it bluntly,
simply was that a coup that we saw last week.
It was a coup. And it was, say the second time in two and a
half years.
All right, thank you, John McCain. So you know that when
the McCain is always on the money side, so he there's
something going on with this, that he calls it a coup. But
again, I go back, I go back to May 23. And our our president
slickest guy ever he's really slick Willie can dry up and blow
away because Obama is slick. What did he say? I mean, this
was like such an issue, you have to go back to these things all
the time. So the President was talking about mainly drone
strikes, he threw in the Snowden thing, right, as we heard
earlier, but he also threw this and out of the blue for no
reason.
But it will also require resources. I know that foreign
aid is one of the least popular expenditures, that there is,
there was even I didn't even understand why he was talking
about this at the time, this just he just threw this in
there. We didn't even notice it, he was talking about foreign
aid.
That's true for Democrats and Republicans. I've seen the
polling, even though it amounts to less than 1% of the federal
budget. In fact, a lot of folks think it's 25%. If you ask
people on the streets, less than 1%,
still Tahiry here he is really setting up the importance of
foreign aid foreign assistance to mainly to Egypt and how we
cannot have a strategy without this regardless of what happens
so
wildly unpopular, but foreign assistance cannot be viewed as
charity. It is fundamental to our national security. And it's
fundamental to any sensible long term strategy to battle
extremism. Moreover, foreign assistance is a tiny fraction of
what we spend fighting wars that our assistance might ultimately
prevent.
He didn't segue into this,
I don't remember. I mean, I, I had to go look it up. It wasn't
it was it just came out of the blue. This guy,
I'm telling you, if somebody lost a page,
I'm telling you that everything that is happening, and we're now
like eight weeks later, he had he discussed in this speech,
we've got the Snowden thing, we've got the Egypt thing. All
of this stuff is just they set it up. It truly is a script
unfolding right before our very eyes and I'm gonna go back again
after the show today. And I'm going to listen to the entire
speech one more time and see what else I catch. Because you
can almost predict what's going to happen with this guy. He's
like clairvoyant. It's crazy, isn't it?
Yeah, it is weird this this is all done beforehand.
And it was like what and we were also very focused of course on
the Code Pink Lady who stood up and was yelling I think as I
think we discussed then all basically a part of it. And I
gotta wait no, you know what we didn't whatever it and talk
about it whatever. Missed it
was possible that that Code Pink Lady was actually code for this
as a speech, you should pay attention to pay attention.
Everything good is in here. Here's your year. I really like
that it really really feels like that but then
it's possibly does one speech like that every year could be
could be ended ideas to benefit from some are identifying it in
some funny way.
There was one thing that came up in the I think was the Egyptian
guy maybe it was Muhammad Arshad Muhammad? No, it was. Yeah, I
think was the No, no, I'm sorry, Brazilian guy, because there's a
lot of foreign press now showing up at the State Department. I
have no I guess they're not let into talk to Kearney. They only
get to talk to Jen who and she's sweating. She is sweating. It's
kind of funny because glistening, glistening under the
lights there. And this is where I learned about three new pieces
of software that have such great names. There's no way you can
Google it and find out about them. But this this came in from
the Brazilian press.
Could you confirm whether with or without the consent or an
agreement with the Brazilian government? The United States
government has been detained that database of monitoring or a
monitoring center in Brasilia, or have ever collected data at
the Embassy of Brazil in Washington or at the end Brasil
Brazil in the United Nations using physical devices installed
in computers, and using software such as Highlands, Vagrant, and
Lifesaver
Island, Vagrant, and Lifesaver as the Brazil guy know that we
don't know.
Well, I did get a comment an interesting observation from one
of our producers, which is worth noting, Brazil, you know, they
say well, there's Latin American countries all up in arms. That's
not true. Colombia regarding snowed in Colombia doesn't want
him, they've said, so Paraguay doesn't want him. Chile doesn't
want him and Brazil above all, even though Greenwald's there
and maybe Greenwald's behind that cuz he doesn't really want
to have to hang out with the guy.
Hey, you know, you're nice and all that. But now I don't want
you over the house.
So 20 That that there's a there's been this movement. I
think that this this may be leveraged the NSA, using the
internet to listen in all the stuff through all the various
nodes. There's been this movement over the years and
Brazil of all the countries that it is now totally irked by this
snooping. It has been behind this movement along with Saudi
Arabia, I think some countries in Africa, the Chinese, I think,
to a lesser degree, have been trying to get the United Nations
to take over the internet. Wow. Okay. Yeah. And so they're going
to now leverage the abuse that our security agencies have
heaped upon the world. It's through the internet, mostly
because there's been a lot of this is all you know, the email
and it's stealing from the the communications that you do
through Google and the Google all this stuff. Through Mae West
and maze, they have big boxes there, they can pick up the bowl
international traffic, if somebody wants said, I think
this is pretty true. A 75 to 80% of all world traffic,
runs through those exchanges. Sure, was through the
one of the big US boxes. Absolutely. And so now the whole
thing is like a setup and we have to consider the possibility
this entire thing is theater around this idea of taking the
internet away from the United States and
giving us internet freedom, and exactly the internet freedom.
And it'll be run by the United Nations.
This is a good idea, because we have we have to will, holy moly,
John. Here is Jen on just that.
Well, we are deeply concerned by the new restrictive Singaporean
policy requiring the licensing of news websites. We raise
internet freedom regularly in bilateral and multilateral
dialogues with
our pay attention closely to what she considers internet
freedom to be
foreign governments, including Singapore, we urge Singapore to
ensure that freedom of expression is protected in
accordance with its international obligations and
commitments. We closely monitor and close and often speak out,
as you all know, on both internet freedom and media
freedom throughout the world, this case is no different. And
we are concerned of course to see Singapore applying press
restrictions to the online world.
Sure. So the reason that you push for internet freedom and
that kind of thing in all these countries around the world isn't
to make it easier for this government to listen in. And
I just I want to make sure that the AP and Reuters stories are
available to all the people if
that's your media freedom right there. Make sure that no agenda
show shut them up. And make sure the AP and Reuters stories are
available to the slaves in Singapore. That's That sounds
about right to me. What do you think?
Yeah, yeah, that's where we're headed. Ah,
yeah, Singapore, their license, I guess you have to be? Well,
this conversation is now taking place in America. I was watching
some Fox crap, which I didn't clip. It was just too annoying.
But they were, you know, there's people on Fox News who are
essentially actors reading a script, where they're discussing
what what is real journalism and what is a journalist and when do
you get to be protected as a journalist and that's it
basically just puts a big target on our foreheads. It's like it's
all over eventually it will be over we will have to me I don't
know if we can, you can probably get the license. Can I operate
under your license? Do you think
I'll probably be able to have an assistant?
Can I be your assistant then please? Okay.
And who's gonna read his email on the knowledge and show Hey,
Adam, and John recently started listening to your show, I find
it amusing and very interesting. Appreciate what you guys bring
to the public for the low low price of free kudos. You
remember this email? Yep. From Amin? Yeah. So first, he says,
you guys, thanks for doing this for free. And then he says I
wanted to comment and get get more info on the comment Mr.
Devore AK made around one hour 36 minutes on show 506 about
federal law trumping state law being BS. I ran this by my wife
who was studying for her bar exam. She said it was completely
wrong. And the 10th Amendment doesn't give state law more
power than federal law. I need some ammo. Okay, listen, Mr.
Amin, you are a big douchebag don't first come to us and say
thanks for doing your show for free, and then ask for like
something so you can hit your wife over the head with Are you
insane? What an aihole. That really irked me when I got that
email. I was like, What a dick.
Let's go work for him.
Yeah, really? I'm sorry. Let me just let me just go fix your
wife. You know what, here's what you tell your wife. Why don't
why don't your wife put on her Leather Jacket boots and
marching to Colorado and start kicking everybody in the head
who's smoking dope and say, federal law Trumps state law?
You should head sleeves. Okay. Tell her to do that.
That's a good one. Yeah. Another good one. We got a few
interesting notes this week.
I got some other notes if you really want let me see
where's our where's our young listeners giving us the horror
stories in their high school experience? You know what spring
summer brain
break? It's like it's yeah, it's all over. What's why dried out?
Now as we move into our thanking thanking segment of people who
do support our low, low, low, low free, cheap show, this
little, little cheap show you get for free. And then you can
you get Wi Fi for free. You get through airport security without
having to go through a get most scanner, you get all of this
analysis for free. And then you have the audacity ask us to help
you with your wife who's clearly you should divorce her. That's
your help right there.
Get rid of free advice again. Give it away.
I'm sorry. I'm sorry. No, no, no. But here is as we move into
our segment, I saw something on CNN, which was I mean, when talk
about you and I could have come up with this one. Now let's say
we have a brand new vodka, right? And we want to really get
this vodka noticed and it's high high end right now what what
what can we come up with that would really this one failed? By
the way I don't think the execution was well done. But if
you really know what you're doing, I think that this is the
way that we might have recommended this vodka brand. Do
it a few guys
involved that are on video, not your usual thieves.
These guys traveled in style a Mercedes sedan with a dark glass
roof and the loot they were after vodka.
It's aged and cognac barrels for three years. Okay. It's made in
Ukraine,
it's called Spirit of the czars and it's not inexpensive.
Well, they took us 752 cases and the value is $249 A bottle so
it's a little over 1.1 million.
Mark says you can't go to the donee segment, right yeah. We
can stop with that. That is just a bogus product
goes on for two
to really you know, somebody sent us this other one and I
said it's probably of crap. I had I ended up clipping it
because this was much worse than that. Oh, what
do you have a better one? Yes. Which
one is it? This is the five eating McDonald's hamburgers on
the set. I skipped that one went Oh no. You had you missed out
where's oh here you have Guilfoyle with the leggy girl.
You know, all I love these hamburgers. Oh, so good. Hello,
now, this of course is my segment, which means that
there's nothing serious here except that this is important.
Freakonomics blog, came out with some of these very important,
McDonald's double what is it called? Double sorry, has
protein fiber, calcium and iron. It's the cheapest, most
nutritious and bountiful food that ever existed in human
history. Let me just tell you some These seeds are great just
everyday things like you're already healthier. Now.
Wow. Wow.
It goes on and on and on. And they're eating this hamburger.
And I'm talking I'm looking at this going this is crazy. This
is this is what you have to put up with nowadays. If you're in
broadcasting
is you have to eat hamburgers and for chilling and pretend
it's healthy for you.
Oh, it was disgusting. And then here's what here's the kicker.
If you wanted to bite I'll just actually you should probably
play this because you might have to play the rest of the also he
has some grudge against one is I guess one of the yogurt
companies that was trying to get a plug in he didn't get his
money they didn't pay so screw they don't get their plug. But I
want you there's a little little gimmick at the end before we go
into our donate. One segment that I first I heard and I said,
Oh, this guy is going to work because apparently the blog or
somebody stole his line. And then it dawned on me what was
really going on here and you'd now you get to play the rest of
it. Now tell you what, what we see here is five star product
because that's the one. No, no, no, the same exact same clip you
had
that clip only lasted they played the whole thing. Oh, no.
Yes. Okay, so here's where it would have to explain it. There
was 31 seconds, but then you have a second clip. No, that's
it. That's an ad. What the What this wasn't? No. No, you only
have
seven in the morning. Yeah. Okay. I'll
take it. There was only 31 seconds.
I'm gonna have to go back and clip this other part. We'll save
it. Save it for Sunday. Save it first. There was a very funny
moment and I realized I'm not gonna save. I'm gonna save it
for Sunday. Okay, hit that hit the jingle. Anyway.
I guess the point is, I think we'd rather continue our vow of
poverty and just getting by and eatin mac and cheese and living
in Texas. I would personally then then have to ever stoop to
those levels where I am sitting there eating genetically
modified starch. I can hamburger salt, goo and intestine crap and
then having slime. Pretend that it's good. No, I'd rather be
dead. I'm gonna show
my school by donating to no agenda. Imagine all the people
who could do that. Oh, yeah, that'd be fun.
We do have some people that think as a matter of fact,
beginning with Patrick Turner who's in Austin, Texas. That's
right. I'm $11.11 the grim America show in Calgary,
Alberta. $111.11 and it makes them know Darrin and Graham of
the grim Merica Show podcast love your show. Keep up the good
work. For those of us who can no longer stomach I
think I've heard their show. It's not bad.
I've never heard it.
And you know, a lot of people say we've inspired interestingly
enough, we've inspired a lot of people to start their own
podcast and and this is part of the reason why I'm making this
device because all they need is just if you have a little bit of
processing if you have if the mixes a little bit better, it
will just sound you know there's ways to do this as Trix is tried
and true. Been doing it for 400 years. We know how to do this
stuff. It would make the show so much better. And I think that
we're going to be able to help midnight show they got they got
some they got their ideas.
Andrew green $100 in London, UK. Just adding another contribution
to support your wonderful show and keep the segment short.
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there's any good right wines. I'm gonna say this one more
time. I'm probably not gonna say too much. I've said on Leo's
show that the wine situation at Costco has deteriorated
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who says were his only source of news have never heard
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What do ya original Kevin Thomas nice things here and tell it's
one of these you get some of these guys get this obvious
name. We have to tell you one of the jokes it's just got to do
and they always give me that dead eye look and say oh geez, I
never heard that. I
had that one I always hear is where's Eve?
Yes, that one is Eve I don't see why anyone would say that.
Oh my god. That's all I heard as a kid growing up. Where's your
name's Adam. Where's Eva?
And now you would buy today's definition that's bullying by
the way
the total bullying and you know and I let myself be bullied and
and I've been scarred for life because of it.
You should have what you should have done when a kid did that.
You should you should just hit taking your foot and grind him
hit him right in the nuts as hard as you could and said right
there a
whole Yeah. So what happened is I I was getting pestered at the
bus stop all the time because of this and yeah, this was in the
Netherlands and was all over the whole situation was weird. The
International school then all these kids that went there the
the gal skis near the three brothers and a gal ski brothers
and it all team up on me. And then so I went to judo class and
I was like, Okay, I'll learn how to you know how to kick their
ass. And then Judo class the first class like the instructor,
like scared the shit out of me and I didn't want to go back
anymore. It's like I have a life of bullying. It's just no good.
Now I have guns. Come on.
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you know, get get Putin on the show. I mean, we'll even will we
will even break our format if we can interview Putin.
David funk number one. Okay.
How about for the big one flips of food and the vacation show?
Yeah, we get ya know, we can do interviews on that. Okay. Now
we're marking up Putin for that. Mark to sleep actually with
Putin was ever shown. Listen to our show. He says we were on to
him. I think he appreciate that.
I think it would be you'd be given us hookers. Very good
boys.
You like to read Ed bark Tanner, Whittier, California and finally
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No, we don't. That would be insane to think that we would
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That's just it's just the note that they said some guys set it
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Yeah, no, I'm sure it's some legacy thing. It's sitting there
she keeps cropping up and they don't it may be so locked into
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So here's what happens is you have a subscription and then
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Most Yeah, but it's got nothing to do with us. Yeah, the thing
is, is that are explained I explained
the note the note says the no agenda show was canceled your
subscription please contact them. You know, to see what's
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Yeah. Alright, bullcrap. Stole bull crap. We have never
canceled the subscription of anyone ever.
I don't even know how you can even cancel a subscription. Do
you even know how can you do that?
From from our end? I don't know how actually. You can't. No, no,
there is a way Yeah, yeah. You can go into the database of all
all the streams of money. People you mean the
oceans, the oceans. Nami of money.
You look up to You look up the guys look up the guy in the
database, you find him and you find a subscription. And then
you just you cancel it as though you're canceling an order.
Right? Yeah, you can do that from the site. It's really a
pain. The last time I had to do this, because some guy wanted to
see I had to do he couldn't afford it anymore. He says, so
he says you got and he couldn't do it. I don't know why he
couldn't do it. But he couldn't. So he says, You gotta cancel my
subscription. You gotta cancel my subscription. I don't, I'm
broke. And buddy, when I said, Well, why can't you do this? I
don't know how I can figure it out. So I went look the guy up
his he hasn't been paying for the last six months. They
canceled him last year. Wow. So I went through all that trouble.
And the guy didn't even know what what. Anyway, I was very
annoying.
And where you went from swimming in the rivers of money?
Go I was actually went from waiting. Pay Pal is a classic
cloud. Yeah, a cloud operation cloud operation?
Yeah. You click on something and you wait. And you wait. Yeah,
it's just horrible. Yeah, it is. Anyway, I'm sorry.
Well, we would do want to thank everyone for checking their
subscriptions, make sure they're still in place. That really is
that, you know, if we build those in over time in 10 years,
when I don't know when when we're trying to just get enough
money to pay our license fees for the podcast legally, I'm
sure. What do you think a license fee is going to be for
us?
$3,000 a month? I'm just guessing.
Maybe he could be that high?
I think I think that's what I would do. I you know, look,
I've been unlicensed news and views. So I don't know how I
would do it. Are they gonna write? No, I guarantee within
the next five years, the websites will be licensed.
Yeah, no, I think you're right. Well, it'll start with some kind
of seal of approval. That's how they always do it. Right? Your
organization, an organization like 25 bucks fee. Yeah, to get
a sticker to get a badge for your website
by so so the government knows that you're gonna check you out?
Yeah,
you'll have a number. Right? You have a number tattooed on your
arm? Oh, I'm sorry. I'm sorry. That was a different regime. Oh,
maybe not. Who knows? Anyway, the support that we get every
single time I do this show, but after the show, and John and I
always talk for 1015 minutes between each other about
whatever I was too long. That's that boy that was and eventually
we both say, oh my god, can you believe we get to do this?
That's what I say. And John goes, Yeah, of course. Of
course. And I go to miss McKenna Kenya, I feel like the luckiest
guy in the world that piano because
we're directly supported for our good work. Yeah, the people
listen to the show, whether they like that one episode or
another. But there's always some tidbits at home cheese and then
they I mean I'd like for example, I still think right now
if you want your tidbit you use that Ecuador or they Bolivian
pilot asking to land in Austria Yeah, asking to land asking to
land and ATC
and ATC offering help do you need anything can we get any
assistance you know you
might Yeah, they're gonna do anything they want and then this
is now being shipped good these guys call it out as forced
landing us right there you go that's
that's that's it right
there. That's the whole thing that tells you that everything's
corrupt okay that except this show that could arteries are not
corrupt is because we're not forced eat hamburgers on the
air, or promote all kinds of weird stuff that some of them we
believe or don't believe because once the view on the road to
corruption, you're done
now? Oh, no. Once you're in, you're in for good. Yeah, yeah.
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And then you and then you just might want to do the plane. Does
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said well, that's the fact sciences. How do you explain
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I think it was born to the 10th I think I'm one day and just
briefly because then we gotta go on we have a nice thing to do.
How the here's what really irks me a Tesla, who, you know,
arguably he invented really the best transmission for
electricity also incur, he built the hydraulic, you know, like
the up there, the Niagara Falls. He was the first one to measure
Earth resonance, you know, wireless electricity. You know,
he really, Marconi came way after he was doing wireless
transmissions, all this stuff. Why does a guy like Elon Musk
get to use his name on his stupid ass battery car? That is
such an insult to everything that Nikola Tesla was about? How
does how does he get to do that? And does he have a trademark and
he can use that forever? And the name Tesla is just it's now on
this lame ass Lotus with a battery in it. Tell me I know no
one questions this everyone. So the next time someone's like
Elon Musk is great. He's the Tony Stark they modeled Tony
strike on him. He's great. She knows he's a fucking thief. He
took Tesla's name and stole it and put it on his battery car
and he should be ashamed of himself.
I think his public domain can't steal public domain
it but it's okay. I have a feeling this battery car is
direct current and not alternating current What do you
think?
Oh that's a very interesting little take how do you how do
you get to Yeah, DC car has to be has to be a DC car. So
how do you get to do that? No, no, I make the ultimate podcast
device with Mark Smith. What do we use AC?
Adam curry now of
course we we make a DC later on but we have to rail power I'm
telling you this is a big deal. Alright. Make goods we did the
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Especially because he'd already put it into his his LinkedIn
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We want to make sure we make good on these things. Then we
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didn't read the note actually. Let me see what was it. So who
was it that said, Oh, here it is. It was David Carey. I've
been listening for the past couple of months after hearing
the Texas abortion law rant I decided I could no longer be a
douchebag the time came to donate Adam, your take was
brilliant. Well, thank you. I don't but brilliant, but
appreciate it. I found out yet I have another piece of the puzzle
that I want to share with us today.
I mean, all yours. Okay.
So my general theory, besides the rant that, you know, I'm
just like, why is everyone why don't we see these protests for
other things, which was what my rant was really about. Is I had
this feeling that you'd look at this law which was clearly made
up by Alec al e c, which was done on behalf of Republican
lawmakers and they call it the was the pain law or something
the fetus pain law, which is clearly a red herring because
the three quarters of this bill and this if you haven't heard
about it, this is big news and taxes taking place here in
Austin. Women yelling at each other people saying the church
sucks just it's I'm amazed we haven't had fistfights yet. It's
it's very, very tense. And it's obvious that there are large
forces at work here and my take on it is that this is all about
setting up clinics to a certain standard so we can now start new
clinics. Instead of charging $500 for an abortion, they can
charge $5,000 for an abortion. Did they summarize that well
enough, Jonathan, pretty much the thesis that I had.
Yeah.
Guess what? Governor Perry's sister. And her name is Mila
parry Jones is Vice President of the United surgical partners
International. A Texas company in Addison, Texas that runs
hospitals and surgery centers co owned by doctors. This is these
are the guys they are well known for. For helping doctors charge
1000s of dollars for very simple procedures. He setting this up
for them? Yeah, pretty sister.
Yeah, yeah. Pretty obvious. You know, the funny thing is this, I
think this whole movement, I may have the cart before the horse
on that I may have backwards. But this has happened. And this
has long since established this, this sort of, it's just a
stepping stone, this gouging, it's all gouging be based on the
fact that the government ends up paying through auto insurance
companies paying in some sort of a pool mess, which which,
which I need to point out, that's the final step. You know,
we got to set it up, we have to make it really expensive, then
we have to have a way for the government to pay for it, which
currently by federal law, due to Roe vs. Wade is forbidden,
right. So we have this other mechanism that we're going to
create, oh, it's almost done through insurance companies,
because Obamacare is really an insurance scam. So so the
government's really not paying for it, but they're probably
subsidizing insurance companies or some other angle, but in some
way they are paying for it. But this happened all the all the
veterinaries around the going on, oh my God, you have taken
every little shop now as part of some that used to be just a nice
little veterinarian and have a dog and cat on each door. And
you go into this one side, you get your cattle and said you got
your dogs as small operation, maybe five vets and they you
know, and it's very reasonable everything. And now they've been
taken over by these huge chains, these veterinarian clinic chain
chains, where they essentially gouge you
Well, that's what they started with selling you insurance,
which you you really wanted to get your pet insurance. Remember
that? Yep. And now you go to the to the vet, it's 1000 bucks.
Yeah, for the mediocre service is not even as good as it used
to be. And then they get you give you a bunch of drugs, they
all know you're the animal you better you get to take these
drugs. And so they give you all these packets of drugs for the
poor animal, and that you're supposed to make them take. And
every and they have to go back for a follow up, which is
another it's just cost as much as cost to go to a regular
doctor. And it's just that this whole country is being scammed
left and right by these large organizations and the
legislatures that are passing these bills that encourage this
sort of thing. The it's just unbelievable. The gouging that
is going on from top to bottom of the American public is just
outrageous.
Yeah, no, no, it's
a worldwide is not just the American public.
It's all all citizens. Well, we've all been gouged.
And I think we do need to mention one of our producers
actually done a lot of work on this. And there's a whole bunch
of links in the show notes under trains. Bad pipelines. Good. Now
this is the the accident at luck. Mega antique. Is that how
you pronounce it like Mega antique? I'm not sure I know.
That's this is the plant the train that blew up in no way
that one. Yeah, yeah. So
it was a setup, it's very obvious that they're going to
arrest these guys. They're going to arrest people for this
because what happened is this magically, the pressurized
brakes got disengaged, which is not exactly that simple, and
probably a lie. And the next thing you see is everywhere. Oh,
we have we really need pipelines. It's much safer than
transporting oil via via rail. And this, of course, is a setup
to the XL Pipeline. It's so obvious.
Yeah, it is it's pretty obvious. And the joke is is that the
moving oil by rail is not uncommon. Do we have a bunch of
them that go by here, and it's been an old established way of
doing it? And they don't blow
up? Thank you. That's my point. These things they go
hit a pole or something they just leaks oil, although it
makes a mess. So
road road Wolf, who I think is up there in Canadia. And I got a
link to his blog post he's done all the work so I can't claim
any credit for it. It's very difficult because we don't know
that much about Canadian culture and I have to say the Canadians
in general are very sparse and giving us information we could
use a lot more of that we could learn a lot more since you know
you are the foreign oil we depend on and you know, you are
the ones we will be invading eventually. And you know these
like the Walls of these of these transport trains, you know,
these carry the oil there, you know, an inch thick steel, I
mean these things, there's no reason for it to blow up
no and deny that but getting crude oil to blow up is I don't
know how you do it. You have to have it's used the crude oil can
be used to make a bomb the same way and for ammonium nitrate and
fuel oil is what it is. It's ammonium nitrate packed together
with fuel oil. And you can make and it's used as a substitute
for dynamite. It works very well. And crude.
Hold on, could you wait a second? Could you just really
explain that in great detail.
There's not much detail. That's the great thing about nitrate
and mixing it with some oil.
I just want to make sure everyone knows that the NSA has
heard that we are telling people how you can make a bomb
but I'm not exempt not explaining the details. Because
you do have to get it to explode. In fact, to get that to
explode takes more than a little work. I mean, it just what you
can't take a match and put it to the
little do you think that a drone strike would have worked?
A drone strike hitting the crude oil? Yes, that would work. Okay,
just the thought. So what you're implying is that we just drone
the damn thing. It's a possibility. I'm telling you
right now there's no way for one of those these things crash
caught not commonly, but when they do crash. I've never heard
of one exploding. It's not possible. I'm taking
the killing 20 people I mean, this thing exploded and it took
out you know, 60 homes are something is crude oil is not an
explosive product. So either a there was something else that
was being transported.
Which could be gasoline would explode. Regardless,
it was billed as oil. And the headlines everywhere are, you
know, we really pipelines Much, much safer, much safer XL
Pipeline Much, much safer. I
don't see how a pipeline is safer. It's not but we need
this pipeline in place. It's certainly a lot easier. Seems to
me it's a lot more economical than then especially if you can
have the government pay for it because you know, we want to get
on with it. We don't want people dying. That would make sense to
me. To me. That would make sense. someone knocking?
Yeah, I'm not gonna Mr. Barak. Hey.
No, it's different. They don't call you DeVore. The call you
Jebediah
Mr. Deasy for
now. So that's all I got.
That's all you got. Let me see if I think I have um, see if I
had anything I had potential end of show clip
stuff on race baiting, but you can do that later. Yeah. Well,
you know, a lot of race baiting because we were willing to put
in the Red Book. They're gonna get Zimmerman's getting off in
the riots. Well,
you know what, I wasn't thinking about this. I think no riots. I
think no riots. And I'll tell you, I'll tell you why I've been
so I've been following if you do if you go to Twitter, and you
type in that search box at the top you type in Zimmerman. In
fact, let's do it right now. Okay. And then we'll end the
show on this. And then I'll tell I'll tell you my true thoughts.
So we type in Zimmerman, and let's see we do all you got to
you gotta you gotta make sure you do all because otherwise you
get top which is lame. Okay, all right, let's see. Blood they
finally let Zimmerman walk swear. Okay, that was the first
one. Zimmerman won't be safe in jail. Zimmerman won't be safe
outside of jail. F Zimmerman, Zimmerman, don't go to jail.
Somebody's gonna get him. Look at that face nothing good. I
really want to know what was going through Zimmerman's mind
if dude was a white boy Zimmerman would not have cared
closing arguments begin in zero and zero and is innocent. Only
way he does times if Judge allows prosecution to charge to
aggravated assault so there's someone trying to be smart. See,
so a lot of it is now I'm gonna kill him, you know, like his ass
up. If he's not locked up. I'll kill him. There's a lot of this.
And let me tell you, these people are all icon changers,
the only thing that's going to happen, and this will be the
proof I really hope george Zimmerman gets off regardless of
what I think what happened. I wanted to be completely free and
clear. So you can see that we are a nation of icon changers.
They will not be a single riot. This is not not your 1990
America with Rodney King, this is not that America anymore.
Everyone's gonna sit there and yell at each other on Twitter.
messed him up. Now, this is not not your 1990 America anymore. I
guarantee you no riots, zero riots.
Well, you'll get $1 If that's true.
Do you mean the usual Mortimer
Yeah, the usual boredom. I
hate to say it but there will be an icon change campaign. You can
bet on
it. Take that to the bank.
You could take it to the bank you can take that to the bank.
I'm gonna go with there's going to be a riot no
no rights, no riots. No way it's not gonna happen. And if there's
no riots that will be sadder than if there are riots, but it
will prove my point that we are a nation of icon changing couch
potato, hamburger eaten fat slobs have no worth.
It double doubles.
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and from Northern Silicon Valley, where things are just
going slow and there'll be no riots here. I'm John C. Dvorak.
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