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It is only a question of time
when popular self government

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will be impossible and will be
succeeded by chaos and finally a

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dictatorship. Hello 2013 Adam
curry, John C. Dvorak. It's

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Thursday, October 3 2013. Time
for your gizmo nation media

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assassination episode 553 is no
agenda monitoring JT 65 on 20

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meters, KF five SLM from the
travel tight tight out in the

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capital of the drone Star State
Austin Tejas in the morning,

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everybody. I'm Adam curry,

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and for Northern Silicon Valley,
where I'm not monitoring

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anything except the news. I'm
John C. Dvorak.

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It's like you've given me a bad
name. Like I'm not like, I'm not

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monitoring. Like, I'm not doing
my job or something.

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No, you're just saying you were
monitoring. You're spending your

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time on the hand. No, I'm not.
Sorry.

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I'm multitasking. I've got it
rolling here. Just in case

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someone needs to send me a
secure message. Let's be honest,

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the JT 65 is more secure than
anything these days. Probably.

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Yeah.

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Is it as they figured, what are
all these old codes going to do?

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Anyway?

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The conditions are great,
though. Right now today. I five

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watts. I'm all over the
continental US up into Canada,

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Mexico. It's pretty cool. How
that works.

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Yeah, well, I'm sure there's a
couple of agents listening in.

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No, I don't think so. Yeah,
they're probably hams too.

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They haven't. Yeah, they're,
they have no time for this

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bullcrap. Besides, they're all
sequestered.

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Yeah, that's right. There's that

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I never thought I would be so
affected by a shutdown.

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Oh, you're affected? Oh, like?
Yes.

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Yes. And no, um, I am
emotionally physically,

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economically. I'm affected. I'm
absolutely affected.

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Well, you're not nearly as
effective as that poor little

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town in Kentucky.

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But no, let's talk about me for
a second. I'm affected.

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Okay, well, we know that for a
while that you're affected.

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But won't mean, I'm not going to
get my latest Silk Road order.

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You're not gonna get it anyway.
It's got nothing to do with it.

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But budget shutdown? I'm

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not talking about that. I'm
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the Silk Road. What do

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you order something again?

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Yeah. And yeah, like, I went to
go check, and I got the

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champagne notice. Too late. Now.
I'm hoping the guy sent it.

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Otherwise, I get in the way of
opera. We'll talk about that in

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a minute. Okay. I want to talk
about a couple of things here

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about this. Government. Yeah,
you care about your

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that list shut down. The Silk
Road shutdown is affecting more

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people than the government
shutdown. So I don't know why

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you prioritize it this way. But
okay, I'll hang back. And

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listen,

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I'm just wondering, I, this
show. My theme today is numbers.

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I keep hearing numbers that
don't make any sense. And people

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keep throwing them out. And
here's one, this is just a

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little side note, but this is
the little town in Kentucky

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story. There's a number in here.
That kind of baffles me. I don't

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know, maybe somebody can explain
as possible. I had to play this.

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We also don't

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know for sure yet. Whether or
not these federal employees who

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are furloughed, not by any
choice of their own will be paid

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retroactively. That would be the
first time they weren't paid

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retroactively. But if they're
not, they'll also be down all

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that amount of money that they
could have been earning, while

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they were actually if they had
been working in the government

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have been and had an open so we
really start to see this effects

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cascade and I think the
important issue is the spillover

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to the private sector. As Mark
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know about a case in Kentucky
where 4000 IRS agents didn't

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show up for work and usually
people don't worry about the IRS

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but they certainly do now the
Chamber of Commerce, the

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President of the Chamber of
Commerce in that little town in

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Kentucky, said none of the
restaurants they were all dead

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and all of the retail
establishments around there were

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all dead. And each week that
this goes on we could see you

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know, starting to shave real
real growth off of GDP we

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what what little town in
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did you do any research?

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I didn't care too if it's a
little town by definition that

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means is you know what a little
town is you ever been to one you

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Texas is filled with them?

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Yeah, like Round Rock is a
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Yeah. Why would there be 4000
any one thing of any one thing

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in a little town? It just makes
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This 4000 agents seems to be a
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this is coming from. This is
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you said this is you got numbers
on the brain today, which is a

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first that's it that's kind of
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this a lot. I'm sure over

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I got a song in my head too. I
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have put the clip on Sunday shot
What song is it? What song Nigel

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That song we

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are making plans for Nigel Nigel

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yeah, that's all I had.

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I won't so I played a song this
morning on the pre stream which

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is Jim diamond. And I should
have known better to lie to one

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as beautiful as

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you I never heard that song in
my life. Yeah, well that but it

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was in my brain. There you go.
This is the song has been in

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your brain for a while. Now what
are you lying to Mickey? Is that

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what is is this a subconscious
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No, we both heard this. That's
interesting. You say that? No.

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Well, that's what the song is
about. And that's what you just

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keeps cropping up in your brain.
No, we Nigel's because I was

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Nigel Farraj

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No, we were we were having
dinner the other night. And the

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song came on. And we're like,
oh, it's a beautiful song. I

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said, I'm gonna put it on the
pre stream. So now I'm not lying

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to Nikki.

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Well, no, I'm just I'm just
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psychological reasons for this
song being in your brain might

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be some guilt. No,

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it's because we both heard it on
the radio. That's why. Okay,

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now, I want to say something
about the government shutdown.

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Because of course, you know, it
looks like you know, the roads

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are still open. It looks like I
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But there I noticed

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that we had a nine o'clock
happen. We did a toast at the

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buzzkill bunker. Yes, we did. We
chose to the government

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shutdown, the lights stayed on.
The roads weren't shut down.

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Everything was still running.

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But let me say we will speak
lightheartedly of this. But we

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have a lot of people listening
to this very show who are on

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furlough. I don't want to spam
Lear,

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which may, the way it's been
done in the past may amount to a

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paid vacation.

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It may be but I think it's
already hurt us. I'm just

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looking at the spreadsheet for
today. I'm like, okay.

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Oh, you don't think it's because
Google and Yahoo through 90% of

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the email in the spam box? I

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think it's real. I think it's
all related. Yeah,

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I think I'm getting we've been
getting through 50%. This last

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mailing, I was gonna send out a
second mailing I should have

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after it came in at 12%. And
then everybody's complaining me

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all I found it in this thesis,
it was been going to the

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promotions box. But now it was
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the curious thing was when I saw
I tested these things. So I

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tested by signing up for I
create a bogus Yahoo accounts

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signed up. So I went through
this is the process where you

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click on sign up for the
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then because MailChimp and all
these services actually do a

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very good job of making sure
that it's not a spammer, and all

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the rest, they do that pre work
for these companies. And they

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abide by all the laws and
everything. The when the process

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of signing up, you sign up, then
they send you an email to

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confirm. So you're just not
signing people up to porn sites

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or whatever, right? The
confirmation on the Yahoo site,

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the Google one did get through
but the Yahoo site the

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confirmation, notice that the
spam went to spam which makes

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which tells me that Yahoo is
either there. There's some

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corruption going on I
specifically as Google if if you

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have to pay to get your email
through nowadays, and I send it

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right to the press office, which
is what the process you have to

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go through and answer anything
back yet. But I'll ask them

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again, just give me a second
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if somebody if you remember, we
got an email from somebody

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saying that it's all rigged, the
whole thing's fixed yet and

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apparently, you know, I'm not
paying their bribes. I don't

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there is there is an absolute
bribe system in place. And it's

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called strong mail, which is now
called strong view. And these

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are the guys that help help you
get whitelist as as as a

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company, but even they have no
control over the over the

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promotions tab, but they do have
control over spam. And yeah,

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it's like you know, if our if
our livelihood is dependent upon

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the spam filters of Google and
Yahoo, well, let's just cut the

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show's short let's go find
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seriously, yeah, no, yeah. But
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came in today. I'm like, you
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gonna have a very short segment
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And to me it was like Well, yes,
I got a lot of email about you

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know, the newsletter which is a
reminder for people to listen

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and all and by the way, as a lot
of content here in your

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newsletter,

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maybe we were wasting my time
apparently, ya

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know that that was a huge waste
of your time. It reminds people

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to listen, who then are going
oh, shoot, you know, maybe it's

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time to support them. It's what
absolutely works, but I think

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the furlough is also partly
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I know a lot of people who
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furloughed, you know, they're
getting IOUs and there's DoD

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police. There's all kinds of
different entities that you

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don't think about necessarily.
It certainly seems like all the

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SIS admins and web admins have
been furloughed, so Every

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government website has like, oh,
because of the shutdown, we

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can't, you know, update our
website which is, to me hurt it

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hurt preparatory actions for the
show. I mean, I could not find

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out if, for instance, if this
Silk Road complaint and I have

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two of them, one from New York
and one from Maryland, if

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they're true or not, I don't
really I can't see if they

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release them on their website
because they haven't been

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updated. So, so I'm not too
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it, it would be better if there
wasn't a shutdown.

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Yeah, in general, I'm just not
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hahaha,

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but I'm going to be cavalier so
you don't have to Okay, good. So

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I've got a here's what we here's
another number that got to me

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after listening to that other
clip. This one here is this.

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This by the way, it was done in
KSP. wn Salinas, a little

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station and this guy's into
digital, digital Senator digital

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Operations Center. This guy's
reporting from apparently you

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know, the fake studio they set
up in a green screen room. But

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listen to this report on
government shutdown, government

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shutdown costs.

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The game of tug of war, as our
nation's leaders fought over the

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national budget has ended once
again, in a stalemate. The sun

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will soon come up on the second
day of the first partial

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government shutdown since 1996.
I'm in our digital Operations

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Center monitoring the feeds with
the latest Washington DC as the

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tamped government shutdown keeps
running up. Now the irony is the

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dispute over government spending
will actually end up costing the

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US government more money at cost
12 and a half million dollars

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each hour, the government
shutdown is 300 million each day

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and $16 billion in just a week.
And that's just for government

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contracts.

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Does this make any sense to you?

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think it makes sense. I think,
by the way, millions of dollars

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a day times seven. What is that?
2.1 billion. How does that come

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to 16 billion. How do you get to
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day loss?

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Right? Did he say it again? You

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played him? Do the math
yourself? This is at $16

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billion. How does it call it? I
lay off everybody costing me

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I'm with you. I'm with you.
There seems to be a problem in

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general, not just in the news
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representatives with math. Let
me play for you two quickies

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here from Louise Slaughter. I
believe she is the Democratic

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Representative from Maryland, I
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full of crap. But funnily So,

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the Washington Post this
morning, sum up what this fight

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always has been, and continues
to be about defunding the

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Affordable Care Act and taking
health care away from 300

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million Americans who have no
insurance.

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300 million Americans have no
insurance John didn't stop there

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and got better.

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Yesterday was indeed a historic
day for our nation for every

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American who's ever been denied
access to health care. In my

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home state of New York, there
were more than 2 million visits

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to our online exchange in less
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the day, the last number that I
have just for yesterday, 10

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million people have visited the
website at the end of the day.

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That is about 12% of the entire
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York yesterday.

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So 10 million people is 12% of
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Millions do they have most of
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no health care

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90 million. According to her,
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what we're dealing with. Thank
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producers, I guess the non
essential personnel are the ones

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who listen to this podcast. They
had a lot of time to make some

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great clips for us. I got some
good stuff, people clipping on C

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span and sending in mp3. Thank
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Yeah, I'm telling you 50% of the
no agenda audience is non

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essential personnel. Welcome.

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So the point is, is that these
numbers are being thrown around

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and the public are idiots to
listen to this. I mean, the 300

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million times seven being 16
billion is one good example. But

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it's the question that comes
where I started digging into

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this was the question. I have an
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a year to run.

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And FYI, a small agency I'm

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storing some numbers out just as
an example the way they're the

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logic is here 100 million
dollars budget because I got all

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these people working this
overhead and I shut the agency

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down and turn off the lights.
Yeah, where's the 100 million to

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send everybody for oil? Now it's
costing me 200 million. is it

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costing me more with all these
people? 800,000 Potentially. But

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how's it cost me more in the
billions of dollars? To not be

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paying people?

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Yeah, I, here's what I don't
think we should do. We should

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not participate in this reality
show. This this insanity that is

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the reality show of the shutdown
because that's all that it is.

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And it's funny. Mr. McKee and I
were advised to watch a

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documentary and I think everyone
should watch this documentary

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even though I have issues with
it. It's called I Am you ever

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heard of this documentary? Yep.
Have you seen it? No. So this is

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the the director who directed I
think most of the Jim Carrey

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movies he did. His name is Tom
Shadyac. He did Ace Ventura,

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Bruce Almighty, He had some
really huge hit hit movies. And

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he had a horrible accident. And
he many soul searching whatever

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he went on this journey to find
out about human nature. And why

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you know why we're not like our,
like our natural brothers, like

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the apes, or you know, how birds
can all you know, do things

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together. And even though we do
apparently mirror, all kinds of

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emotions, anyway, little bit
fuzzy here and there. But in

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general, the idea was, right,
the real takeaway I had from it,

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which is something which was
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liked. And this almost at the
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they did monitor someone's
heart. And when you're in love,

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or when you have pure happy
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beautiful sine wave of your,
your entire heart rate and

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everything that's pumping. And
the whole idea here is that

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really, it's not our brain that
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heart is the main mechanism. And
when you're angry, that's when

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it's all distorted. And it's
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it's all over the place. And
when that happens, your heart

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and in this theory, that your
heart is really feeding your

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brain with information instead
of the other way around. Your

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heart can then not send proper
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So you kind of become dumb. And
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You know, people who are really
angry, they, you know, they,

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they, they do stuff without
thinking. And I'm like this is

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this has got to be what some of
this is, if you just look on

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Twitter or on Facebook, people
are mad, they're getting mad,

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and I think they're being riled
up to be mad. And when you're

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mad, you become dumb. And when
you're dumb, that's when all

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kinds of other shit happens that
we're supposed to catch here on

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the no agenda show.

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Well, my favorite catch. Is that
have you heard about this guy,

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Beale?

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I'm one of the whistleblowers.

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So I got this on C span. Three.
There's a hearing going on as we

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speak. And of course, nobody
knows it. Now.

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Of course, you know, why would
we do that? So this

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guy Beal, for the last 13 years,
there's been a high level

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executive at the EPA, posing to
the EPA administration as a CIA

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agent. Oh, wow. So he's dropped,
like at least a million dollars

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in just in expenses. Over these
years? Yeah. So now he was

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busted because he retired and
they had a big retirement party

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for him. But he decided because
he's such as slime ball, that he

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was going to rig the computers
and make sure he still got his

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paycheck. So so that's how he
got busted, actually. And it was

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turned out I ice is one of the
committee members who've said

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you would this guy have ever
been caught if he hadn't done

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this one last thing? And it
would apparently not he wouldn't

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have. So this hearing is goes
on. It's one of the funniest

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hearings I've ever seen. But
there was a couple of weird

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things that were brought out
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probably most of the government
agencies have CIA people

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embedded in the agencies. And
the way that works is kind of

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explained in this clip right
here, which

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is called they typically call it
a civilian in the Pentagon is

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how the agent is always
identified.

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Yes. Here's a clip embedded.

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Oh, I'm sorry. Which was
embedded See, I had

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Yeah, embedded CIA. I don't have
that one. Yes, embedded CIA in

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agencies.

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I love you, man. But I don't

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have that clip. Why don't is
right under Eliquis. Yeah,

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right.

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I have the eloquence But why
don't I have the home on I'm

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sorry?

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Are you getting these from the
FUBAR account or the other

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account? Yeah,

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well, they all come in the same
one. It's it's also just

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possible that somehow when I'm
downloading them something, I

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don't know. I don't know. I got
it here. Yes, okay. Sorry

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about that. Here we go. I'm not
allowed to see classified

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material, because there was no
security clearance on file with

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the EPA Office of Security.

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I thank the gentleman. I just
want to hear one more time since

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2008. The head of each agency is
given a List of anyone who is a

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clandestine agent working under
their cover.

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That's my understanding is
Chairman from an intelligence

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directive 304. It's on the
internet. And it pretty much

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explains that the requirement of
the Director of National

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Intelligence in the CIA to
inform executive branch

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agencies.

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So Secretary Clinton would know
everyone at the State

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Department. And her deputy would
know everyone who was CIA

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implant, the EPA directors, each
of them are administrators, each

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would have been given this
information. So if the

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administrator had even one
person who was embedded, that

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they would know that we don't
need to know if they have one.

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But if any agency had an
embedded CIA person, that they

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would have, in fact, had a list
and he would not have been on it

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since 1008. That's right. That's
my understanding was the

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chairman that I shared with the
gentleman from South Carolina is

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outraged. But 2008 was a long
time ago to I seem to remember

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George W. Bush was president
then. Oh.

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So you've throws that in for no
apparent reason. But, but 2008

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is when Lisa Jackson got the
job. And these memos, were

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apparently showing up on desks
with the names of any agents

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that were in the, you know, the
APA or any any and so this

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character Beall was working for
her and she I couldn't I guess

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she was so stupid. This Lisa
Jaksta that she's the arrogant

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woman that's now yeah, she's the
new woman that came in

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McCarthy's The one who busted
this found this out because she

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was suspicious. Because what she
did was she looked at the list

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and didn't see his name.
Meanwhile, Jackson, such an

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idiot, she didn't see his name
and didn't care. I apparently

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are and you know, who knows,
maybe took her out to dinner a

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lot. Whatever the case is, this
is a growing scandal that has

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not been covered by anybody,
although you can look it up. I

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mean, you'll find some obscure
reports on it. But it's, it's to

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me, it's very humorous. And it
seemed to me that I so if

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nothing else, when he threw this
question, that was why was he

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because this was like yesterday,
why is he talking about a

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Hillary as Secretary of State
knowing who the CIA, so he's

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going right back to the
Benghazi. Yeah, no,

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of course. That's what he's
doing. And he's but he's also

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really trying to make the
connection between the CIA and

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the State Department, which is
it is they're side by side.

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They're intertwined. They're
like DNA together.

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That's what they do, obviously.
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My uncle Uncle Don, he would
always say he worked for the

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State Department, which we
always find very funny. Yeah, of

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course, he wasn't. He wasn't
ambassador. So you know, he'd be

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working for the State
Department. But before that, he

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was also for the State
Department as a civilian in the

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Pentagon. I'm telling you, I
know these things. A few things

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I know for sure.

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So that's it. So they do have a
little commentary on Gina

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McCarthy and Beal if you want to
play recollection. With that we

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go to the gentleman

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from Maryland. Okay, I
understand that Mr. Beales Freud

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was initially uncovered by the
EPA current Administrator, Gina

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McCarthy back when she was
Assistant Administrator of the

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Office of Air and Radiation is
that right?

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Is that correct? Yes, sir. I
understand that the

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Administrator McCarthy started
asking questions about that's

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all you got.

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Oh, must have cut it off
whatever the case I'll tell you

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what happened. So he goes on and
kind of deconstruct sound

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McCarthy found out about it, and
then how this fraud would have

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continued forever. Because the
guy was quitting the agency once

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she started nosing around, and
but this some how he's decided

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he thinks you sneak a check out
of there anyway. But this is the

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kind of thing that must be going
on at all levels of government.

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Do

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you know you know, where Lisa
Jackson went doing? You?

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Know what? You go the World
Bank?

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No, hold on a second. No. You'll
never

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guess if you don't know you'll
never guess. I don't know. I'll

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never guess Yes. Correct.

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She she went to Apple.

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Oh, that's right. I didn't know.
I didn't know

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that. She will be head of the
Environmental Programs.

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Yes, she's just bullcrap job.
Alright, so I

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watched a little bit of C span
because I you know, of course,

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this is what we're trained to
do. And I was happy to see a lot

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of producers of the program
doing the same and looking

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elsewhere because that is always
what these things are. Nothing

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to see. Look at that. And we had
an interesting session going on

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with our favorite douche boggles
clapper. The Kaiser was there.

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Lindsey Graham was pontificating
and clapper. And this, of course

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is the this is all about the the
shutdown and how dangerous this

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is and oh my goodness, what are
we going to do? And Clapper is

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it's unbelievable. We know that,
you know, everyone that even the

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New York Times I think says
openly now clapper lied. You

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know, he said no.

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Congress under oath Congress
under oath which was come of

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that, but I haven't watched what
happened.

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Nothing. Oh, nothing happened.
Except I mean he got mad to

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Clapper is here and for the next
minute and a half he will lie to

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you again

448
00:25:14,940 --> 00:25:19,710
or if sorry with you. I would
like to answer your question

449
00:25:19,710 --> 00:25:23,070
about the impacts of the
government shutdown and

450
00:25:23,430 --> 00:25:29,970
furloughing our civilians.
First, the the legal standard

451
00:25:29,970 --> 00:25:33,570
against which we make decisions
about who is furloughed and who

452
00:25:33,570 --> 00:25:38,370
isn't is, and this is quoting
from the law is that which is

453
00:25:38,370 --> 00:25:41,430
necessary to protect against
eminent threat, eminent threat

454
00:25:41,430 --> 00:25:42,060
to life or

455
00:25:42,120 --> 00:25:44,910
isn't it imminent? He keeps
saying eminent that I don't

456
00:25:44,910 --> 00:25:47,130
think that's the correct word is
it isn't imminent?

457
00:25:47,430 --> 00:25:50,580
I think it is imminent. Let's
take a look.

458
00:25:50,640 --> 00:25:52,740
You take a look while we listen
to more property.

459
00:25:53,639 --> 00:25:58,079
And so are applying that
standard is what resulted across

460
00:25:58,079 --> 00:26:04,829
the board in furloughing roughly
70% I think that will change as

461
00:26:05,429 --> 00:26:10,529
this if this drags on. And we
will make adjustments depending

462
00:26:10,529 --> 00:26:14,999
on what we see as the potential
eminent threats to life or

463
00:26:14,999 --> 00:26:16,709
property to quote the law

464
00:26:16,740 --> 00:26:18,540
keep seeing eminent I'm telling
you

465
00:26:18,540 --> 00:26:21,870
the eminent means a high station
rank or repute like you know,

466
00:26:21,870 --> 00:26:27,870
you're the eminent statesman, or
in a secondary way it also means

467
00:26:27,870 --> 00:26:31,140
even though this is not what he
means because eminent to him,

468
00:26:31,140 --> 00:26:34,170
he's meaning a meat, you know,
happening any minute now. Or a

469
00:26:34,170 --> 00:26:37,380
thread that's that is upon
imminent as a threat that's upon

470
00:26:37,380 --> 00:26:39,510
right. In fact, here's the
definition of imminent is ready

471
00:26:39,510 --> 00:26:43,890
to take place. But but you could
say that Well, I meant eminent

472
00:26:43,890 --> 00:26:46,440
because eminent also means is a
secondary definition.

473
00:26:46,440 --> 00:26:53,700
Conspicuous. Signal Horton
stretch. You know, ya know, he's

474
00:26:54,210 --> 00:26:57,090
the wrong word. He's like an
idiot. Yeah. Yes. I

475
00:26:57,090 --> 00:26:59,700
will tell you those two impacts.
I've been in the intelligence

476
00:26:59,700 --> 00:27:01,140
business for about 50 years.

477
00:27:01,350 --> 00:27:02,430
How old is he?

478
00:27:02,939 --> 00:27:06,869
He's been nearly 70 something. I
guess he was telling us business

479
00:27:06,869 --> 00:27:09,389
for 50 years. Let's get his.
Let's look at him

480
00:27:09,419 --> 00:27:14,519
up. I think we need to pull this
guy apart. What do you have on

481
00:27:14,519 --> 00:27:17,339
age? He must be 70 I mean, you
can't You're not an intelligence

482
00:27:17,339 --> 00:27:18,869
services when you're 15

483
00:27:19,260 --> 00:27:24,060
He was born in 41. And so that

484
00:27:24,300 --> 00:27:28,860
makes him 70 older than 7041

485
00:27:28,890 --> 00:27:33,210
Yeah, it makes him 72 So he
joined when he was in his 20s so

486
00:27:33,210 --> 00:27:34,950
now there was waiting. Let me
get this right. He's never done

487
00:27:34,950 --> 00:27:38,700
anything else in his life,
apparently except Spy. Spy. So

488
00:27:38,700 --> 00:27:41,160
he's time from fire. He's

489
00:27:41,160 --> 00:27:44,070
a spy. That's right. Who knows
what he was he was probably you

490
00:27:44,070 --> 00:27:45,780
know, keep an eye out of his
mama spend the

491
00:27:45,780 --> 00:27:48,930
United States Marine Corps
transferred Air Force Reserve

492
00:27:48,930 --> 00:27:51,090
training camps. He was
commissioned to 63 as a

493
00:27:51,090 --> 00:27:55,020
distinguished military graduate
from 50 That'd be 50 years he

494
00:27:55,020 --> 00:27:57,570
commanded signals and tele okay
he actually began

495
00:27:57,600 --> 00:28:03,420
signals intelligence Yeah. Okay.
Quick update from the back

496
00:28:03,420 --> 00:28:07,200
channel please everybody do not
keep hitting reconnect if your

497
00:28:07,200 --> 00:28:11,400
stream is jittery, just stay
calm look at the floor and it

498
00:28:11,400 --> 00:28:14,880
will all go away let's continue
with clapper

499
00:28:14,909 --> 00:28:20,159
never seen anything like this
from my view I think this on top

500
00:28:20,159 --> 00:28:23,879
of the sequestration cuts that
we're already taking that this

501
00:28:23,879 --> 00:28:28,379
seriously damages our ability to
protect the safety and security

502
00:28:28,379 --> 00:28:31,529
of this nation is is going to
die I would commend to you

503
00:28:31,529 --> 00:28:34,469
Senator Feinstein superb
statement yesterday on the floor

504
00:28:34,469 --> 00:28:35,639
her I think

505
00:28:35,640 --> 00:28:39,450
the the words Feinstein and
superb just can't go in the same

506
00:28:39,450 --> 00:28:40,620
sentence makes zero

507
00:28:42,420 --> 00:28:46,800
difference with which I
completely agree. This affects

508
00:28:46,800 --> 00:28:51,090
our ability This is not just a
beltway issue this affects our

509
00:28:51,120 --> 00:28:52,080
global capabilities

510
00:28:52,080 --> 00:28:54,870
so we understand what he's
saying there so he's with so

511
00:28:54,870 --> 00:28:59,280
he's on the in the hot seats
there with with the Kaiser and

512
00:28:59,310 --> 00:29:04,560
and Lindsey Graham is doing it
Lindsey Graham we're in this

513
00:29:04,560 --> 00:29:07,440
position because of people like
Lindsey Graham okay we really

514
00:29:07,440 --> 00:29:10,470
need to get rid of these people
these people have to be voted

515
00:29:10,500 --> 00:29:15,240
out for good really they have to
go it says all we get the

516
00:29:15,240 --> 00:29:17,640
government we deserve so you
can't be blaming government it's

517
00:29:17,640 --> 00:29:20,010
your fault my fault everyone's
fault. This is what we deserve.

518
00:29:20,220 --> 00:29:26,310
But listen to this guy as he is
just talking about but we'll see

519
00:29:26,340 --> 00:29:27,210
we'll see

520
00:29:27,240 --> 00:29:31,110
no any of them and they're
patriots as much as anybody who

521
00:29:31,110 --> 00:29:35,040
criticizes the program and all
right did you tell the president

522
00:29:35,040 --> 00:29:36,090
united states what you just

523
00:29:36,090 --> 00:29:41,190
Oh Stop stop stop that. Stop me
sound like the creepy gay guy on

524
00:29:41,190 --> 00:29:45,420
the Family Guy Show not not not
Herbert the pervert. But the

525
00:29:45,420 --> 00:29:49,230
other one. Kind of creepy hip
guy.

526
00:29:49,290 --> 00:29:51,540
Oh, you know it sounds like the
next door neighbor

527
00:29:51,540 --> 00:29:54,420
guy or the guy that talks kind
of soft. He's has a soft he's.

528
00:29:55,200 --> 00:29:57,540
No, he's not the next door
neighbor. He's okay. I'll have

529
00:29:57,540 --> 00:29:59,580
to get his name Johnny but
somebody in the chat room

530
00:29:59,580 --> 00:30:02,850
would not have So I don't watch
them now. I don't watch

531
00:30:02,850 --> 00:30:05,010
anything. I'm sorry, but

532
00:30:05,880 --> 00:30:07,950
it sounds like that guy. All
right.

533
00:30:07,980 --> 00:30:11,520
Also the government shutdown
that our nation is less secure.

534
00:30:13,350 --> 00:30:15,000
Yes. What did he say?

535
00:30:15,209 --> 00:30:20,999
Okay, so he so apparently he
told the President that we would

536
00:30:20,999 --> 00:30:23,219
be less secure. Discuss it
yesterday.

537
00:30:23,340 --> 00:30:25,920
Well, you just You scared the
hell out of all US. Least I'm

538
00:30:25,920 --> 00:30:26,340
scared.

539
00:30:26,880 --> 00:30:28,110
I'm pooping in my pants.

540
00:30:28,530 --> 00:30:33,750
When you tell me that 70% of the
NSA is unable to go to work, not

541
00:30:33,750 --> 00:30:37,170
because they're necessary, but
because of the statutes the way

542
00:30:37,170 --> 00:30:40,890
it's worded. Both of you've made
very clear presentations to this

543
00:30:40,890 --> 00:30:45,390
committee, that the government
shutdown in a post 911 world is

544
00:30:45,390 --> 00:30:47,460
making this nation less safe.

545
00:30:47,670 --> 00:30:51,330
Oh, okay. It's a post 911 world
that right General

546
00:30:51,330 --> 00:30:54,270
Alexander? Hey, guys, we're
back. Senator. That's correct.

547
00:30:54,360 --> 00:30:59,490
Right. Yeah, well to Mr. Gates,
who told the president his

548
00:30:59,490 --> 00:31:02,910
political adviser, former press
secretary, he advised the

549
00:31:02,910 --> 00:31:06,780
president to just watch the
shutdown. Do you think that's

550
00:31:06,780 --> 00:31:09,540
the responsible thing for the
President to do as commander in

551
00:31:09,540 --> 00:31:13,620
chief to not negotiate or just
watch the shutdown? The shutdown

552
00:31:13,860 --> 00:31:17,280
that notice the little Oh, no,
notice the little, the little

553
00:31:17,280 --> 00:31:20,850
flub there. The showdown? I
mean, the shutdown oops, sorry.

554
00:31:21,510 --> 00:31:22,140
Showdown.

555
00:31:22,320 --> 00:31:26,640
It's what is it the showdown at
OK Corral. Was that showdown

556
00:31:26,640 --> 00:31:30,480
with it? Isn't that the title of
a showdown at OK Corral is

557
00:31:30,480 --> 00:31:31,020
showdown

558
00:31:31,020 --> 00:31:33,870
with this. This showdown is what
he's talking? Funny. Yeah. Well,

559
00:31:33,870 --> 00:31:40,080
I'm not gonna like you don't
have to call the President or

560
00:31:40,080 --> 00:31:41,700
jerk bow by following Yeah,

561
00:31:41,730 --> 00:31:43,350
I'll do it for you. I'll do it
again.

562
00:31:43,530 --> 00:31:46,260
I think it's irresponsible for
all of us to let it continue.

563
00:31:46,260 --> 00:31:48,720
But where the hell is the
commander in chief? If you

564
00:31:48,720 --> 00:31:52,200
really told him that, that our
nation is less safe?

565
00:31:52,230 --> 00:31:54,330
I agree with this. I'm with
Lindsey Graham on

566
00:31:54,630 --> 00:31:59,880
20 ideas. A political This is
the show, like beside himself.

567
00:31:59,910 --> 00:32:02,940
Yeah. But but I'm I'm agreeing
with Lindsey Graham here.

568
00:32:02,940 --> 00:32:06,180
Because yeah, you know, if the
President always tells us his

569
00:32:06,180 --> 00:32:10,170
number one priority is keeping
the the American citizenry safe.

570
00:32:11,370 --> 00:32:13,410
Number one priority number

571
00:32:13,439 --> 00:32:16,019
in on anything, just to make
sure that continues to happen.

572
00:32:16,019 --> 00:32:20,009
This reminds me of the Feinstein
clip we had last show, where she

573
00:32:20,009 --> 00:32:24,359
says Oh, this this, this, this
raid of the mall could happen

574
00:32:24,359 --> 00:32:27,539
here, which is admitting that we
have no else.

575
00:32:27,570 --> 00:32:32,340
Well, now, I will cut straight
to clip number two here. And

576
00:32:32,340 --> 00:32:34,980
this is where now of course, you
know, whenever we're talking

577
00:32:34,980 --> 00:32:38,940
about security and intelligence,
we have to talk about pre 911,

578
00:32:39,150 --> 00:32:42,660
post 911. And I have a question.
This will be an asked John

579
00:32:42,660 --> 00:32:45,780
question. But it may turn out to
be rhetorical if I can't help

580
00:32:45,780 --> 00:32:47,580
myself from screaming the answer
now

581
00:32:47,610 --> 00:32:51,750
about 911. General Alexander, if
we had the technology and the

582
00:32:51,750 --> 00:32:58,050
programs in place today, before
11 What would be the likelihood

583
00:32:58,050 --> 00:32:59,760
that we have detected that
attack?

584
00:32:59,790 --> 00:33:04,170
Oh, John, what do you think?
Whoa, this is a big question.

585
00:33:05,160 --> 00:33:08,280
Senator, my professional
opinion, it would have been very

586
00:33:08,280 --> 00:33:11,430
high that I do.

587
00:33:11,550 --> 00:33:12,540
I do agree. I

588
00:33:12,810 --> 00:33:16,500
am here to tell the American
people if we had in place today.

589
00:33:18,750 --> 00:33:23,760
Before 911, the 19 hijackers who
were here in the country, most

590
00:33:23,760 --> 00:33:27,810
of them illegal status, talking
to people abroad, we would have

591
00:33:27,810 --> 00:33:31,200
known what they were up to, we
would have known why the guy was

592
00:33:31,200 --> 00:33:34,620
just taking flying lessons to
take the plane off and didn't

593
00:33:34,620 --> 00:33:37,410
care about the part of the
flying lessons to landed, which

594
00:33:37,410 --> 00:33:40,290
was kind of odd to me. I want to
pay for flying lessons. But I

595
00:33:40,290 --> 00:33:43,680
don't care to learn to land the
plane. So at the end of the day,

596
00:33:43,710 --> 00:33:45,900
well, that's really simplifying
what happened, isn't it?

597
00:33:46,620 --> 00:33:51,600
My question to both of you is
simple. Simple. Let's reform

598
00:33:51,600 --> 00:33:54,690
this program where it's gotten
out of line. Let's be sensitive.

599
00:33:54,720 --> 00:33:57,540
Let me ask you a question. I'll
just stop it here. If that is

600
00:33:57,540 --> 00:34:01,830
true, if today we could have
awarded this, you know, they'd

601
00:34:01,830 --> 00:34:02,670
be talking to each

602
00:34:02,670 --> 00:34:05,310
other way. There's been plenty
hearings, we've heard many of

603
00:34:05,310 --> 00:34:08,460
them. We've had many on the show
that say this is a bull crap

604
00:34:08,460 --> 00:34:11,850
argument is not true. We had
most of these programs in place

605
00:34:11,850 --> 00:34:14,760
before 911 and some other
programs. Excuse me,

606
00:34:14,760 --> 00:34:18,090
who are you to question 50 years
and intelligence? Who are you to

607
00:34:18,090 --> 00:34:22,650
question the Kaiser who has Star
Trek Enterprise bridge as an

608
00:34:22,650 --> 00:34:24,570
officer? Were you to question
that slave?

609
00:34:25,170 --> 00:34:28,200
I have. I'm not in a position to
question it. And I'm sure that

610
00:34:28,200 --> 00:34:31,290
he would do anything to keep his
budget. Now let me ask you this

611
00:34:31,470 --> 00:34:33,360
nice job that Job never exists.

612
00:34:34,080 --> 00:34:38,280
Here's the ask John question. If
this if they indeed if we had

613
00:34:38,340 --> 00:34:41,490
everything we know today, which
is the same we would have known

614
00:34:41,490 --> 00:34:44,520
six months ago, I presume that
the intelligence is kind of for

615
00:34:44,520 --> 00:34:49,590
about a year or so it's kind of
on par? Why were the Sarnath

616
00:34:49,590 --> 00:34:52,890
brother's able to make the
Boston bombing happen? What

617
00:34:52,890 --> 00:34:54,660
happened to this great
apparatus? I don't know.

618
00:34:55,230 --> 00:34:58,470
Doesn't work. How come the state
didn't stop the mall shooting in

619
00:34:58,470 --> 00:35:01,140
Kenya since its role worldwide?
And most of the things they've

620
00:35:01,140 --> 00:35:03,960
stopped have been overseas. They
didn't do anything about that.

621
00:35:03,960 --> 00:35:07,170
Yeah, they didn't do anything
about the guy in Times Square

622
00:35:07,170 --> 00:35:10,290
who stopped by the public. They
didn't do anything about it

623
00:35:10,290 --> 00:35:13,230
except one guy they hit where we
saw this crazy videos of the guy

624
00:35:13,230 --> 00:35:15,630
loading up with peroxide.
Remember this about three years

625
00:35:15,630 --> 00:35:20,490
ago? Yeah, he was at the beauty
supply. Apparently, cameras. At

626
00:35:20,490 --> 00:35:24,120
the NSA, it seems unlikely. They
haven't stopped anything except

627
00:35:24,330 --> 00:35:27,510
one money laundering guy. We've
had the clip of the guy doing

628
00:35:27,510 --> 00:35:31,980
the briefing, where he went
through all these 50 i 50.

629
00:35:31,980 --> 00:35:36,270
Supposedly terrorist plots if
you give us only none, that were

630
00:35:36,510 --> 00:35:37,350
worth a powder,

631
00:35:38,100 --> 00:35:41,670
and then we'll wind it up with
with an interesting, this is

632
00:35:41,670 --> 00:35:44,610
just lies. Yeah. And Lindsey
Graham is just part of some

633
00:35:44,610 --> 00:35:49,230
system to soak the American
public. When of course, there

634
00:35:49,230 --> 00:35:53,310
was a good article about which I
put in the newsletter, link to

635
00:35:53,310 --> 00:35:57,600
it of a poor woman who was the
privacy person,

636
00:35:57,660 --> 00:35:59,910
I didn't get the newsletter. So
I don't know what you're talking

637
00:35:59,910 --> 00:36:01,740
about. The privacy

638
00:36:01,740 --> 00:36:04,470
was a privacy person at DHS, and
everybody called her a

639
00:36:04,470 --> 00:36:07,800
terrorist. And people would come
up to say, if these concerns are

640
00:36:07,800 --> 00:36:11,340
yours, when when the next 911
happens, we're going to blame

641
00:36:11,340 --> 00:36:11,820
you

642
00:36:11,850 --> 00:36:14,340
fault. Where were you working?
Where were she working?

643
00:36:14,370 --> 00:36:17,910
She was at DHS. Wow. And she
also made the comment that no,

644
00:36:17,940 --> 00:36:21,270
there is no such person at NSA,
even though they claim to have

645
00:36:21,270 --> 00:36:25,860
one. Interesting. No, they don't
care about it. The whole thing

646
00:36:25,860 --> 00:36:29,160
is cover your ass. And
departmentalized as covering

647
00:36:29,160 --> 00:36:32,640
yes. Do whatever you can to keep
your budgets high. Lindsey

648
00:36:32,640 --> 00:36:33,000
Graham

649
00:36:33,000 --> 00:36:36,900
brings up two concepts here. One
I found very exciting. And the

650
00:36:36,900 --> 00:36:39,420
other I was found curious which
we live

651
00:36:40,770 --> 00:36:44,010
are their active efforts by
terrorist organizations to

652
00:36:44,010 --> 00:36:45,510
penetrate the United States.

653
00:36:45,540 --> 00:36:48,690
Now this got me all excited.
Because I'm like, if there's

654
00:36:48,690 --> 00:36:51,510
going to be any penetrating
going on come on to Austin

655
00:36:51,540 --> 00:36:57,030
brothers. Let's let's have a
party a the penetrate here. Yes,

656
00:36:57,630 --> 00:37:02,940
absolutely. Yes. As we speak as
we speak, John, I'm being

657
00:37:02,940 --> 00:37:04,860
penetrated as we speak.

658
00:37:05,759 --> 00:37:08,669
Do you play Do you believe
they're people probably already

659
00:37:08,669 --> 00:37:11,819
here as part of a fifth column
movement?

660
00:37:12,209 --> 00:37:14,519
What is a fifth column movement?

661
00:37:15,090 --> 00:37:17,280
I don't know. Because it doesn't
sound good.

662
00:37:17,730 --> 00:37:20,940
I've got a fifth column and I'm
coming to penetrate you as we

663
00:37:20,940 --> 00:37:27,930
speak. There are sleeper their
sleeper presents. Progressively.

664
00:37:27,930 --> 00:37:28,470
I wouldn't call it

665
00:37:30,090 --> 00:37:32,220
sleep. I know. There you go. Get

666
00:37:32,220 --> 00:37:35,460
him don't get asleep. They're
asleep. Don't wake them up

667
00:37:35,460 --> 00:37:35,790
again.

668
00:37:35,790 --> 00:37:37,860
Um, you got all these all these
phone records.

669
00:37:39,810 --> 00:37:43,080
They're asleep. Getting ready to
penetrate column there

670
00:37:43,080 --> 00:37:45,810
are various entities. Fair
enough. And I'll end with this.

671
00:37:46,170 --> 00:37:46,890
Fair enough.

672
00:37:46,920 --> 00:37:48,720
Hey, what is the fifth column?

673
00:37:49,049 --> 00:37:53,219
What is the various entity? Let
me know about him. Go get him go

674
00:37:53,219 --> 00:37:53,879
pick them up.

675
00:37:53,910 --> 00:37:57,420
Fifth Column. All right. Oh,
it's Oh, it has an actual book

676
00:37:57,420 --> 00:37:58,410
of knowledge entry.

677
00:37:58,590 --> 00:38:02,130
Oh, yeah. The fifth column that
used to be it may just Yeah,

678
00:38:02,130 --> 00:38:03,990
it's got a funny definition.
Right. Let

679
00:38:03,990 --> 00:38:07,050
me read let me read from the
definition. A fifth column is a

680
00:38:07,050 --> 00:38:10,260
group of people who undermine a
larger group such as a nation or

681
00:38:10,260 --> 00:38:14,640
a besieged city from within. The
activities of a fifth column can

682
00:38:14,640 --> 00:38:20,130
be overt or clandestine, and me
within forces gathered in secret

683
00:38:20,130 --> 00:38:23,670
can mobilize when coordination
with an external attack requires

684
00:38:23,670 --> 00:38:27,600
and extend to even to uniform
military operations as part of a

685
00:38:27,600 --> 00:38:28,830
coordinated campaign.

686
00:38:30,510 --> 00:38:32,940
That kind of conflicts with the
lone wolf.

687
00:38:34,200 --> 00:38:38,670
Just a little bit. They can be
clandestine, involving acts of

688
00:38:38,670 --> 00:38:43,710
sabotage, disinformation
campaigns or espionage. Oh, that

689
00:38:43,710 --> 00:38:46,200
sounds right to me. I think that
sounds like

690
00:38:46,200 --> 00:38:48,390
the fifth column is like clapper
fifth

691
00:38:48,390 --> 00:38:54,330
column is sitting right there in
Congress. Man Oh, man oh, man.

692
00:38:54,360 --> 00:38:57,690
This is but the the penetration
thing that was that you know,

693
00:38:57,690 --> 00:39:00,660
that kid got to that you know
that they're saying it just

694
00:39:00,720 --> 00:39:02,010
Yeah, it's code.

695
00:39:02,670 --> 00:39:04,830
No, you're right. They said
they're saying it again.

696
00:39:04,830 --> 00:39:06,420
Probably giggling to themselves

697
00:39:06,450 --> 00:39:07,080
like me.

698
00:39:09,630 --> 00:39:12,330
Well, I have one that here's an
example of that kind of thing on

699
00:39:12,330 --> 00:39:17,220
the TV. This is the this just
casual report about again of the

700
00:39:17,220 --> 00:39:20,370
shutdown or something. But you
gotta listen to this. It's

701
00:39:20,370 --> 00:39:24,570
called the prick comment. And I
just I know they're giggling in

702
00:39:24,570 --> 00:39:27,420
the in the control room and this
guy does his little speech

703
00:39:27,420 --> 00:39:30,810
rights. And the possibility for
calamity is all too real,

704
00:39:31,800 --> 00:39:35,460
serious likelihood that we'll
plunge the country and possibly

705
00:39:35,460 --> 00:39:39,540
the world into a financial
crisis similar to what we had in

706
00:39:39,900 --> 00:39:42,900
2007 2008 2009.

707
00:39:43,650 --> 00:39:46,170
Of course, we all remember what
that was like. Now, it should be

708
00:39:46,170 --> 00:39:48,630
said we are still a few weeks
away from the US hitting its

709
00:39:48,630 --> 00:39:51,960
debt ceiling and field says it
is possible lawmakers will see

710
00:39:51,960 --> 00:39:54,900
how Americans react to this
shutdown and reverse their

711
00:39:54,900 --> 00:39:58,020
course but if they don't, the
shutdown could feel like a

712
00:39:58,020 --> 00:40:01,020
prick. Let's hope they see the
light I'm Sam Brock. That's

713
00:40:01,020 --> 00:40:04,050
today's reality check back to
you. Hey, man, I'm writing the

714
00:40:04,050 --> 00:40:07,290
script for tonight's show.
Seriously, I'm gonna put this

715
00:40:07,320 --> 00:40:10,230
Hey, remember those guys who
shouts it prick?

716
00:40:10,890 --> 00:40:12,570
He shouts Yeah, cuz

717
00:40:12,570 --> 00:40:15,330
he's finally it's like
Tourette's. It's better to have

718
00:40:15,330 --> 00:40:18,090
a podcast and just say it when
you want to, otherwise you so

719
00:40:18,090 --> 00:40:22,650
content contained and confined.
So I did have a question about

720
00:40:22,650 --> 00:40:26,130
this. And I'd like to answer
have that question answered.

721
00:40:26,670 --> 00:40:29,190
Right after I say in the morning
to you John C.

722
00:40:29,190 --> 00:40:31,740
Dvorak, that you're gonna have
an answer and we're in the form

723
00:40:31,740 --> 00:40:34,980
of a question I'm gonna just say
in the morning to you well in

724
00:40:34,980 --> 00:40:37,140
the morning to you Adam curry in
the morning all ships and sea

725
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boots on the ground feet in the
air subs in the water and all

726
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727
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736
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738
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741
00:41:33,719 --> 00:41:37,739
it's when we're done recording.
And we have a short list today

742
00:41:37,739 --> 00:41:39,089
on both ends both of

743
00:41:39,090 --> 00:41:42,030
the two. We have one executive
producer and one Associate

744
00:41:42,030 --> 00:41:45,720
Executive Producer period and
we'll thank them both All right,

745
00:41:45,900 --> 00:41:48,990
because they got Dan I don't
think you don't send anything

746
00:41:48,990 --> 00:41:51,570
from the newsletter says nobody
got to newsletter

747
00:41:52,650 --> 00:41:54,780
and the other half are
furloughed so they've got no

748
00:41:54,780 --> 00:41:57,390
money. They're saving people
gotta save you don't know what's

749
00:41:57,390 --> 00:41:58,080
gonna happen.

750
00:41:58,560 --> 00:42:03,060
Brian Moses Hall in Ann Arbor,
Michigan 333 33 be this

751
00:42:03,150 --> 00:42:09,960
executive producer for show 553
He says in the morning, June

752
00:42:09,990 --> 00:42:16,320
Chiro and Akira is in apparently
in Japan. Okay at the moment. He

753
00:42:16,320 --> 00:42:20,820
is. He says in the morning I
close find a check to bring the

754
00:42:20,820 --> 00:42:25,140
knighthood to crosshairs just a
bit closer I dare to request a

755
00:42:25,140 --> 00:42:29,310
playing of the original use
slaves mac and cheese could

756
00:42:29,310 --> 00:42:33,420
anyone ever get sick of that
clip? Pack play it six or seven

757
00:42:33,420 --> 00:42:38,760
times back to back your slaves
can get the mac and cheese

758
00:42:39,450 --> 00:42:43,830
macaroni and cheese shatter
melted together mac and cheese

759
00:42:43,830 --> 00:42:50,430
mac and cheese mac and cheese
There you go. Anyway he goes on

760
00:42:50,430 --> 00:42:53,070
to say need to save and hitting
it out of the park lately indeed

761
00:42:53,070 --> 00:42:58,110
all summer round here I am mouse
hitting at a furious pace and

762
00:42:58,110 --> 00:43:01,830
call on my fellow eight two
listeners to do the same A

763
00:43:01,830 --> 00:43:06,030
squared actually. And the by the
by what happened to the rain

764
00:43:06,030 --> 00:43:10,890
sticks. Oh, let's wrap this up
with a douchebag call out to

765
00:43:10,890 --> 00:43:17,730
Tango hotel kilo feel feel free
to play the patented Jay C

766
00:43:17,730 --> 00:43:21,420
Dvorak amateur radio Nimonic
obfuscation filter.

767
00:43:23,190 --> 00:43:24,630
And there's your rainstick

768
00:43:25,230 --> 00:43:35,430
Brian Moses Hall, Kitty eight
total inward you're oh boy, oh

769
00:43:35,430 --> 00:43:38,430
brother. And all ham. He's got
just the one

770
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come over to echo link 3373
That's where we hang out

771
00:43:43,380 --> 00:43:44,070
sometime him

772
00:43:44,070 --> 00:43:47,550
for our being the executive
producer, the sole executive

773
00:43:47,550 --> 00:43:51,060
producer for his show. 553
Anonymous, in anonymous,

774
00:43:51,060 --> 00:43:54,540
California or Canada can't tell.
But he's anonymous, anonymous

775
00:43:54,540 --> 00:43:58,320
and more anonymous a tune in
$10.12 and he just would like

776
00:43:58,320 --> 00:44:01,860
some job karma. All right, we'll
get into that. You go. You've

777
00:44:01,860 --> 00:44:03,210
got karma.

778
00:44:03,510 --> 00:44:04,500
Yeah, so that's

779
00:44:05,550 --> 00:44:09,180
we have to kind of make up for
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780
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781
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Hit the donate button. No agenda
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782
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and I'll hit the donate button
here. for.org/and a quick shout

783
00:44:21,630 --> 00:44:24,120
out since we have so much time
in this particular segment to

784
00:44:24,120 --> 00:44:27,540
producer James who registered
government slimmed down.com For

785
00:44:27,540 --> 00:44:30,240
us forwarding to no agenda
show.com I did he says he

786
00:44:30,510 --> 00:44:33,570
started this as a meme. I don't
I haven't heard this as a meme

787
00:44:33,570 --> 00:44:34,200
anywhere have you?

788
00:44:34,830 --> 00:44:37,200
What government selling box?
Yeah.

789
00:44:39,360 --> 00:44:40,350
Yes, government sling

790
00:44:41,970 --> 00:44:45,060
or sling box support has kind of
fallen by the wayside during

791
00:44:45,060 --> 00:44:47,940
Yes. It's not a very popular
device anymore. I don't think

792
00:44:48,000 --> 00:44:48,690
well still

793
00:44:48,690 --> 00:44:51,750
a good device for people who are
on the road a lie I don't think

794
00:44:51,780 --> 00:44:54,720
I think And if anybody's got a
sling box, I still need one in

795
00:44:54,720 --> 00:45:01,200
Europe and I need one in London.
One of our one of our I forgot

796
00:45:01,200 --> 00:45:02,100
which one of our

797
00:45:03,750 --> 00:45:05,520
you have the one from Mr. Oil,
don't you?

798
00:45:05,610 --> 00:45:08,670
Yeah, it's oil Mr. Oil. It
doesn't work. It's an old

799
00:45:08,670 --> 00:45:12,000
software and it doesn't send
into goalless things i This

800
00:45:12,000 --> 00:45:14,430
guy's got to upgrade his
firmware and I gave up

801
00:45:14,460 --> 00:45:16,920
now but they've made it they've
also made it more complicated

802
00:45:16,920 --> 00:45:19,950
for you to to be sharing your
Slingbox. There's all kinds of

803
00:45:19,980 --> 00:45:23,700
they don't want that. Now they
do want it is just talk to your

804
00:45:23,700 --> 00:45:26,070
buddy Leo he has a sponsorship
with them they should they

805
00:45:26,070 --> 00:45:28,980
shouldn't be like, Oh, he does
not? Yes, he does all all of

806
00:45:28,980 --> 00:45:31,470
Twitch live coverage of Apple
events are brought to you by

807
00:45:31,470 --> 00:45:32,280
Slingbox.

808
00:45:32,730 --> 00:45:36,480
Oh, well, that doesn't help me.
I still need somebody in London

809
00:45:36,480 --> 00:45:40,230
or Paris or Europe or something,
I get that the Australian box is

810
00:45:40,230 --> 00:45:44,010
still working and is great. And
there's a box in Tampa that

811
00:45:44,010 --> 00:45:46,920
works. And there's a was a box
in Los Angeles, that doesn't

812
00:45:46,920 --> 00:45:50,730
work anymore. And one in New
York and one in Canada. I'm just

813
00:45:50,760 --> 00:45:54,690
I'm short, a couple. I like to
get with South America, I'd

814
00:45:54,690 --> 00:45:57,960
everybody helped John out, he
clearly needs to help us. And we

815
00:45:57,960 --> 00:46:00,570
need you to do something else
which is go out and propagate

816
00:46:00,570 --> 00:46:05,730
the formula. Our formula is
this, we go out, we get people

817
00:46:05,730 --> 00:46:06,180
in the mouth

818
00:46:20,100 --> 00:46:23,550
all right. So here is the
question that I need answered.

819
00:46:25,140 --> 00:46:28,590
Now, we have been talking on
this very program, sometimes

820
00:46:28,590 --> 00:46:31,470
known as the best podcast in the
universe, about the potential

821
00:46:31,470 --> 00:46:38,280
for a meltdown of the economy in
October. Right now, let me let

822
00:46:38,280 --> 00:46:41,580
me just understand, I'm going to
ask you some rhetorical

823
00:46:41,580 --> 00:46:42,300
questions we've seen

824
00:46:42,330 --> 00:46:45,840
maybe rhetorical questions are
not real questions,

825
00:46:45,870 --> 00:46:50,940
but I'm still going to ask them
the way I understand what is

826
00:46:50,940 --> 00:46:54,720
happening with the the
quantitative easing, and the

827
00:46:54,720 --> 00:46:58,290
Federal Reserve is the
following. The Federal Reserve

828
00:46:58,410 --> 00:47:03,660
gives or lends money to banks
for free basically at 0%

829
00:47:03,660 --> 00:47:04,500
interest. Well, it's

830
00:47:04,500 --> 00:47:05,430
pretty close to that.

831
00:47:05,460 --> 00:47:09,480
I mean, it may be the what do
you call that a basis point? So

832
00:47:09,480 --> 00:47:11,970
you know, maybe a 100th of a
percent, whatever it is very

833
00:47:11,970 --> 00:47:14,730
small. It's just a small prick.

834
00:47:15,060 --> 00:47:16,080
Yeah, just a

835
00:47:16,080 --> 00:47:21,240
prick. And the bank will then
take that, and they will then go

836
00:47:21,240 --> 00:47:28,620
and buy US bonds, which will
give them a return of 2.3% or

837
00:47:28,620 --> 00:47:32,310
whatever. That's that's kind of
the scam. Right? Isn't that kind

838
00:47:32,310 --> 00:47:33,090
of how it works?

839
00:47:33,210 --> 00:47:36,120
Well, I think that's just one
element as a bigger budget, but

840
00:47:36,120 --> 00:47:36,930
that's it

841
00:47:36,930 --> 00:47:41,250
is that's a multibillion dollar
system. Right there. Right.

842
00:47:41,520 --> 00:47:44,970
was mostly the Federal Reserve
buying the bonds.

843
00:47:45,090 --> 00:47:47,640
Yeah. But the Federal Reserve
consists of banks. I mean,

844
00:47:47,670 --> 00:47:52,200
that's what Goldman Sachs. Yeah.
It's the Federal Reserve System.

845
00:47:52,200 --> 00:47:53,490
So it's the bank. Okay, thank
you.

846
00:47:53,700 --> 00:47:56,880
We're buying we're buying we're
essentially create creating

847
00:47:56,880 --> 00:48:01,590
money when it comes to the point
of set, but 80 plus billion

848
00:48:01,590 --> 00:48:03,810
dollars a month,

849
00:48:03,870 --> 00:48:09,480
but here and the American people
pay interest on that, of, you

850
00:48:09,480 --> 00:48:13,140
know, on the 10 year bond 2.3%.
It's very small amount of money.

851
00:48:14,010 --> 00:48:17,430
Well, that depends on how big
the number of bonds I mean, at

852
00:48:17,430 --> 00:48:21,720
built what's 2.3% as a billionth
of a trillion dollars?

853
00:48:22,530 --> 00:48:24,180
Well, it's a bit, it adds up,

854
00:48:24,390 --> 00:48:30,720
it adds up. Now, if we continue
with the government shutdown,

855
00:48:32,460 --> 00:48:36,600
and we possibly, you know, we
all know how the the fake rating

856
00:48:36,600 --> 00:48:40,200
agencies work, they'll get
pulled in, and they give us a

857
00:48:40,200 --> 00:48:41,190
ding on the rating.

858
00:48:42,420 --> 00:48:44,940
There's no evidence that's
masking They already gave us a

859
00:48:44,940 --> 00:48:47,910
date. Just Can I get the
question out before you know,

860
00:48:47,910 --> 00:48:51,450
it's a rhetorical question. So
I'm kibbutz. Okay. Let's

861
00:48:51,450 --> 00:48:56,460
say that it were a month down
the road. And so now the full

862
00:48:56,460 --> 00:48:59,850
faith and credit is being
questioned, etc. Would it not

863
00:48:59,850 --> 00:49:05,730
behoove the the system behoove
the system down behoove? Would

864
00:49:05,730 --> 00:49:09,600
it not behoove the system to
have the creating credit rating

865
00:49:09,600 --> 00:49:13,920
affected or the markets in some
other way start to raise the

866
00:49:13,920 --> 00:49:18,510
yield on these treasury bonds?
Which is what happens right?

867
00:49:18,510 --> 00:49:19,710
Isn't it like the

868
00:49:19,740 --> 00:49:23,640
less it could happen? Yes. Well,
no, it's terrible.

869
00:49:23,700 --> 00:49:26,940
No, but that will be great for
the banks, wouldn't it? The

870
00:49:26,940 --> 00:49:29,190
banks are holding all these
bonds. Yeah, no, but there'll be

871
00:49:29,190 --> 00:49:32,010
making more interest. Dollars.

872
00:49:32,550 --> 00:49:35,940
Is that not how it works? The
bonds goes down in value

873
00:49:35,970 --> 00:49:39,000
goes down in value, but the but
the returns

874
00:49:39,060 --> 00:49:43,710
or whatever return you get?
Yeah. But it's a fulcrum. It's

875
00:49:43,710 --> 00:49:45,210
like I was like a teeter totter
Hold

876
00:49:45,210 --> 00:49:49,140
on a sec. But that goes on for a
little while. And then

877
00:49:49,380 --> 00:49:52,440
everything back to normal, we
settle all everything and then

878
00:49:52,440 --> 00:49:54,870
they've made a nice little, you
know, everyone can make like $10

879
00:49:54,870 --> 00:50:00,330
billion, easy, easy money. Is
that is that not pass? Trouble

880
00:50:00,330 --> 00:50:03,870
is that's part of an overall
scheme just let's look JP Morgan

881
00:50:03,900 --> 00:50:08,730
is going to about to pay an $11
billion fine that's at best yeah

882
00:50:08,730 --> 00:50:11,490
those guys where did they get
this money from?

883
00:50:11,520 --> 00:50:15,840
I like to know myself. Wrong
business

884
00:50:15,869 --> 00:50:18,899
Did you see that? It's been
going around Did you see the

885
00:50:19,169 --> 00:50:26,699
CNBC Intro This was this was
actually phenomenally funny. The

886
00:50:26,699 --> 00:50:34,109
guy for I guess the guy from is
it slate? I think it's slate or

887
00:50:34,109 --> 00:50:38,249
salon maybe he wrote he wrote an
article about Jamie Dimon saying

888
00:50:38,249 --> 00:50:43,109
Jamie diamonds shouldn't be the
underdog under no circumstance

889
00:50:43,109 --> 00:50:45,989
will he be the CEO of JPMorgan
Chase. You know, the guy's

890
00:50:45,989 --> 00:50:50,489
horrible and then he went on
CNBC with Maria Alex Purina is

891
00:50:50,489 --> 00:50:55,109
his name and he went on salon
salon. Yeah, he went on CNBC

892
00:50:55,109 --> 00:50:58,229
with with a tip with Maria
Bartiromo. Did you see this

893
00:50:58,229 --> 00:51:02,249
thing? No, no Oh my god, let's
let's just listen to it comment

894
00:51:02,249 --> 00:51:06,029
as it goes along. It is
unbelievable. How these people

895
00:51:06,029 --> 00:51:10,499
are just pretend like like JP
Morgan Chase have done nothing

896
00:51:10,499 --> 00:51:13,709
wrong. Like they've never been
they've never paid billions of

897
00:51:13,709 --> 00:51:17,099
dollars in fines before. There's
nothing to see here. There's no

898
00:51:17,099 --> 00:51:20,609
corruption going on. Because
because it's the most profitable

899
00:51:20,609 --> 00:51:24,239
bank in the universe. Therefore,
it's all great. If this was

900
00:51:24,239 --> 00:51:27,779
really an unbelievable eye
opener to me. Yep, absolutely.

901
00:51:27,840 --> 00:51:30,930
Stocks down over 1%. This week,
Jamie Dimon looking to end the

902
00:51:30,930 --> 00:51:34,170
government probes into its
selling of potentially shoddy

903
00:51:34,170 --> 00:51:37,560
mortgage securities. He was at
the Justice Department yesterday

904
00:51:37,560 --> 00:51:38,820
working out the particulars

905
00:51:39,180 --> 00:51:40,950
guys literally working on a deal

906
00:51:40,980 --> 00:51:43,770
on a possible $11 billion
settlement on both federal and

907
00:51:43,770 --> 00:51:46,800
state levels. So why is the firm
getting so much heat from

908
00:51:46,800 --> 00:51:47,520
regulators?

909
00:51:48,030 --> 00:51:51,570
Salon journalist Alex Perine is
with us. He says Jamie Dimon is

910
00:51:51,570 --> 00:51:54,750
the reason and he's doing more
harm than good to JPMorgan

911
00:51:54,750 --> 00:51:57,060
fortune. Steph McDonald could
not disagree more.

912
00:51:57,780 --> 00:52:00,510
They've got the duo box. They
got Purina is there in the

913
00:52:00,510 --> 00:52:03,000
studio. And then they got the
guy from Fortune who's a shill.

914
00:52:03,420 --> 00:52:04,950
He's on the remote.

915
00:52:05,430 --> 00:52:09,720
Here we are talking about this,
Alex to first legal problems

916
00:52:09,720 --> 00:52:11,490
aside, JPMorgan remains one of
the

917
00:52:11,490 --> 00:52:17,940
best legal problems aside John
we're just not noticed that if

918
00:52:17,940 --> 00:52:18,210
not

919
00:52:18,210 --> 00:52:23,430
the best performing major bank
in the world today. You believe

920
00:52:23,430 --> 00:52:25,410
the leader of that banks should
should step down.

921
00:52:25,560 --> 00:52:28,080
I think anytime you're looking
at the greatest fine in the

922
00:52:28,080 --> 00:52:30,840
history of Wall Street
regulation, it's really worth

923
00:52:30,840 --> 00:52:33,870
asking, Is this guy should this
guy stay in his job in any other

924
00:52:33,870 --> 00:52:35,640
industry? I can think another
industry if you manage a

925
00:52:35,640 --> 00:52:37,920
restaurant, and I got the
biggest health department fine

926
00:52:37,920 --> 00:52:40,080
in the history of restaurants,
no one would be like yeah, but

927
00:52:40,080 --> 00:52:42,240
the restaurants making a lot of
money. There's only a little bit

928
00:52:42,240 --> 00:52:46,530
of poison and has the
qualifications. I thought this

929
00:52:46,530 --> 00:52:46,680
guy

930
00:52:46,680 --> 00:52:50,280
was very funny. Very funny. It's
a false comparison and O'Neill

931
00:52:50,280 --> 00:52:52,560
logic but it's very funny

932
00:52:52,590 --> 00:52:56,190
what he had to do that because
she these people are shilling so

933
00:52:56,190 --> 00:52:59,160
hard for Jamie Dimon and JP
Morgan that in your view,

934
00:52:59,190 --> 00:53:02,040
I mean, I think the bank might
be too big and too complicated

935
00:53:02,040 --> 00:53:04,290
and at this point too corrupt
for anyone to run but if we

936
00:53:04,290 --> 00:53:06,690
could just give almost anyone
else a shot and see if they

937
00:53:06,690 --> 00:53:09,630
could do better to corrupt is a
bit hyperbolic perhaps.

938
00:53:11,730 --> 00:53:15,180
You can't be saying that about
JP Morgan. You can't do it just

939
00:53:15,180 --> 00:53:17,910
to corrupt that is hyperbole I
tell you you agree

940
00:53:17,910 --> 00:53:23,250
or disagree Absolutely not. It's
a obviously got attention with

941
00:53:23,250 --> 00:53:26,550
this article. He got your
attention is preposterous. The

942
00:53:26,550 --> 00:53:30,810
stocks touching a 10 year high
it's a cash generating machine.

943
00:53:31,260 --> 00:53:34,680
Sure there. They've had their
regulatory issues but

944
00:53:36,390 --> 00:53:39,420
do you not see the humor in
this? That's very good. Yeah,

945
00:53:39,420 --> 00:53:41,280
they've had their regulatory
issues.

946
00:53:41,549 --> 00:53:45,749
I've had some issues but looking
at as a cash generating machine

947
00:53:45,780 --> 00:53:48,870
looking to settle them
expeditiously at this it gets it

948
00:53:48,870 --> 00:53:50,460
gets even funnier Ben Bergeron.

949
00:53:50,790 --> 00:53:54,480
This guy's got like a stick up
his ass on the way talk wait

950
00:53:54,480 --> 00:53:54,810
until you

951
00:53:54,810 --> 00:53:57,660
hear Bartiromo though she goes
off it's hilarious point, which

952
00:53:57,660 --> 00:54:00,030
is everything you want out of
the CEO. It's an absurd

953
00:54:00,030 --> 00:54:05,490
suggestion. Maybe we should pose
the question. Does Jamie Dimon.

954
00:54:07,080 --> 00:54:07,590
Sorry,

955
00:54:07,830 --> 00:54:09,120
the guy's name is Duff,

956
00:54:09,180 --> 00:54:16,290
I guess. Duff. Like you're like,
well, Duff Mckagan famous,

957
00:54:16,320 --> 00:54:20,460
sorry, to go. I mean, given
everything that's been going on

958
00:54:20,460 --> 00:54:24,000
around this company, it seems
like he's taking arrows from all

959
00:54:24,000 --> 00:54:28,470
sides. Almost every week at this
point. Maybe he doesn't want it

960
00:54:28,470 --> 00:54:31,170
anymore. And within a year, he's
not even gonna be there. Who

961
00:54:31,170 --> 00:54:36,690
knows? But Jamie, I doubt he's
interested in leaving for one he

962
00:54:36,690 --> 00:54:39,810
probably wouldn't want to leave
on a low note like this. But,

963
00:54:40,230 --> 00:54:42,960
you know, he's expressed a
desire to stick around for quite

964
00:54:42,960 --> 00:54:46,020
some time. The only thing that's
going to have him leave is the

965
00:54:46,020 --> 00:54:50,850
board or shareholders basically
showing him the door. And, you

966
00:54:50,850 --> 00:54:54,690
know, despite suggestions that
he should leave because they're

967
00:54:54,690 --> 00:54:58,560
paying a fine, you know, no
major shareholders are calling

968
00:54:58,560 --> 00:54:59,370
for his departure.

969
00:55:00,000 --> 00:55:02,460
cash generating machine of
course not who cares I mean you

970
00:55:02,460 --> 00:55:06,270
just have to pay you know 30% of
your of your net profit is going

971
00:55:06,270 --> 00:55:06,780
fine

972
00:55:06,810 --> 00:55:11,490
era were AT and T was slamming
its customers. Remember this, we

973
00:55:11,490 --> 00:55:14,910
had this problem in this house
right here. And they would slam

974
00:55:14,910 --> 00:55:17,580
and slam slam, it turned out the
money they were making by

975
00:55:17,580 --> 00:55:20,610
ripping people off with long
distance charges, it was worth

976
00:55:20,700 --> 00:55:23,880
it. The money they had to pay in
fines was less than the officer

977
00:55:23,880 --> 00:55:28,320
making on the scam. Exactly. So
as long as that's in play, Only

978
00:55:28,320 --> 00:55:30,630
an idiot wouldn't take advantage
of it. Talk about the

979
00:55:30,630 --> 00:55:34,290
financial strength of JP Morgan.
At this point. I mean, even with

980
00:55:34,290 --> 00:55:38,220
all of these losses, the company
continues to churn out 10s of

981
00:55:38,220 --> 00:55:40,950
billions of dollars in earnings
and hundreds of billions of

982
00:55:40,950 --> 00:55:44,040
dollars in revenue. How do you
criticize that?

983
00:55:44,070 --> 00:55:47,670
How can you criticize the
blatant corruption and criminal

984
00:55:47,670 --> 00:55:50,280
enterprise that is JP Morgan,
you can't do that.

985
00:55:50,310 --> 00:55:53,040
I've Well, I think a lot of
their earnings and revenue we've

986
00:55:53,040 --> 00:55:56,190
seen have come from really shady
dealings that they've been. They

987
00:55:56,190 --> 00:55:56,550
have

988
00:55:58,320 --> 00:56:01,650
Katie dealings name three shady
dealings. Oh, wow,

989
00:56:01,680 --> 00:56:05,520
do you have a minute all right,
bribery in China hiring day.

990
00:56:05,520 --> 00:56:05,700
This

991
00:56:05,700 --> 00:56:08,100
is where he went off the rails.
That was not a good one. I mean,

992
00:56:08,100 --> 00:56:11,940
come on. And then they just pay
like it's a billion dollar fine

993
00:56:11,940 --> 00:56:15,090
for something just last year.
They're all they've all been.

994
00:56:15,120 --> 00:56:18,360
They've been paying. I think
seven eight, maybe my doing

995
00:56:18,360 --> 00:56:24,990
business. Nepotism knows that
you can't prove nepotism. Cuz

996
00:56:24,990 --> 00:56:26,970
she is blowing Jamie Dimon,
listen to how

997
00:56:27,780 --> 00:56:31,860
good you were Hold on a second.
This is the NBC right? Yeah.

998
00:56:32,010 --> 00:56:34,620
They bring you on for the sole
purpose of making these

999
00:56:34,620 --> 00:56:38,220
arguments. They these pre when
you do CNBC, they call you in

1000
00:56:38,220 --> 00:56:41,550
advance. And the producer asks
you what they're going to tell

1001
00:56:41,550 --> 00:56:43,470
you what they're going to ask
you and then they get your

1002
00:56:43,470 --> 00:56:47,790
answers. And you actually do the
show kind of in advance before

1003
00:56:47,790 --> 00:56:50,550
they drop you into that box. And
then when you're in the bus, you

1004
00:56:50,550 --> 00:56:52,230
are supposed to perform like,
like,

1005
00:56:52,740 --> 00:56:56,100
he's, he's in the studio and
he's supposed to do I think this

1006
00:56:56,100 --> 00:56:59,850
is he wrote this article, this
blog post. And it was you know,

1007
00:56:59,850 --> 00:57:03,270
Jamie Dimon has to go and so
they know so there's gonna be a

1008
00:57:03,270 --> 00:57:06,270
it seems to me that the target
of this of this discussion was

1009
00:57:06,300 --> 00:57:10,950
JP Morgan and Jamie Dimon not as
guidance Oh, no, set him up. Oh,

1010
00:57:10,980 --> 00:57:14,880
the target is this guy from
salon he is he is to be brought

1011
00:57:14,880 --> 00:57:17,640
down. This is what's so
beautiful about this. Because

1012
00:57:17,640 --> 00:57:22,290
this is not real reporting. This
is Maria Bartiromo on giving him

1013
00:57:22,290 --> 00:57:25,020
crap on the JP Morgan Chase
prick

1014
00:57:25,830 --> 00:57:31,230
bribery in China hiring nepotism
that you can't prove. Well, the

1015
00:57:31,230 --> 00:57:34,140
nepotism hiring the prominent
Chinese officials is not

1016
00:57:34,170 --> 00:57:37,260
something I just charge. They
haven't been charged. But it's a

1017
00:57:37,260 --> 00:57:40,830
fact it's in the news. Everyone
knows about the fact that they

1018
00:57:40,830 --> 00:57:43,320
hired the children of prominent
party officials. And there's a

1019
00:57:43,320 --> 00:57:45,390
spreadsheet on which it's
connected to deals they were

1020
00:57:45,390 --> 00:57:48,210
trying to do in China hiring
connected people

1021
00:57:48,210 --> 00:57:51,780
in actual fact, on this program,
because anyone could

1022
00:57:52,920 --> 00:57:56,250
JPMorgan and see this. I mean,
it's not it wasn't the New York

1023
00:57:56,250 --> 00:58:03,510
Times it's not the New York
Times. York Times

1024
00:58:05,100 --> 00:58:10,020
I'm sorry, the New York Times
for as as as little regard as I

1025
00:58:10,020 --> 00:58:13,950
might have for it is still kind
of the paper of record of the

1026
00:58:13,950 --> 00:58:17,310
United States. And she's going
like oh, well, because the New

1027
00:58:17,310 --> 00:58:18,990
York cattle believe that rags

1028
00:58:19,020 --> 00:58:21,480
What is she She sounds like
she's one of the fox.

1029
00:58:22,530 --> 00:58:28,500
It's never been a crime to hire
the children have connected. On

1030
00:58:28,500 --> 00:58:31,470
it, to the point. The point
Maria makes when she when she

1031
00:58:31,470 --> 00:58:34,380
cites the performance of the
bank, I mean, shareholders have

1032
00:58:34,380 --> 00:58:39,690
no reason to want this guy to
leave 18% year to date. He's

1033
00:58:39,690 --> 00:58:43,290
considered to be one of the most
respected CEOs on the street,

1034
00:58:43,290 --> 00:58:47,040
sometimes in some forums, even
mentioned as a possible Treasury

1035
00:58:47,040 --> 00:58:50,910
Secretary somewhere down the
line if he so chooses and SOS I

1036
00:58:50,910 --> 00:58:53,250
mean, why would shareholders
want this guy to go? I think

1037
00:58:53,250 --> 00:58:55,620
that because he's a PR nightmare
for the bank. If you look

1038
00:58:55,620 --> 00:58:59,580
outside of the financial media,
if you look outside of CNBC,

1039
00:58:59,760 --> 00:59:02,130
like every time JP Morgan's been
in the headlines for the last

1040
00:59:02,160 --> 00:59:05,190
year, it's been four terrible
news. It's been bad PR for the

1041
00:59:05,190 --> 00:59:07,740
bank. And I think it maybe there
is a bubble you can be in in

1042
00:59:07,740 --> 00:59:09,750
which you never hear anything
negative about them. And then

1043
00:59:09,750 --> 00:59:12,420
you hear he's the smartest guy
in Wall Street, but like out in

1044
00:59:12,420 --> 00:59:15,090
the rest of the world. It's
nothing but bad PR from Diamond

1045
00:59:15,090 --> 00:59:18,600
and for JP Morgan. What about
that? I

1046
00:59:18,600 --> 00:59:19,860
mean, as a lightweight,

1047
00:59:20,700 --> 00:59:24,120
we would have been so much
better on doing this interview.

1048
00:59:24,840 --> 00:59:28,380
But it goes I just thought it
was so funny just to hear Maria

1049
00:59:28,380 --> 00:59:31,320
Bartiromo like it maybe she's
auditioning maybe she's getting

1050
00:59:31,320 --> 00:59:31,980
fired?

1051
00:59:32,850 --> 00:59:36,270
Well, she does have a shorter
career. I mean, she ever since

1052
00:59:36,930 --> 00:59:42,570
cutie pie came in and then left
she would push by her own. Aaron

1053
00:59:42,570 --> 00:59:46,260
burn it, burn it, burn it, burn
it and burn it. Join it burn it.

1054
00:59:46,290 --> 00:59:52,260
Right. So the anyway the I think
this is kind of poorly handled.

1055
00:59:53,160 --> 00:59:55,290
I'm not absolutely sure what the
point of it was. But I do

1056
00:59:55,290 --> 00:59:58,470
remember what years and years
ago when I was actually was in

1057
00:59:58,470 --> 01:00:01,080
New York so I caught some of the
early shows. on CNBC while I was

1058
01:00:01,080 --> 01:00:05,070
there, and they there was a guy
that came on this is before

1059
01:00:05,070 --> 01:00:09,360
Lehman Brothers went broke. And
he had all the goods on Lehman

1060
01:00:09,360 --> 01:00:11,610
Brothers saying, here's what's
going to happen. He came out

1061
01:00:11,610 --> 01:00:15,180
with a little book on it by
Lehman Brothers is like down the

1062
01:00:15,180 --> 01:00:18,570
tubes are tearing we they had
the same exact aggressive

1063
01:00:18,570 --> 01:00:22,620
approach with this guy who was
well known to the CNBC crew. And

1064
01:00:22,620 --> 01:00:25,920
they jumped all over him for
just saying anything bad about

1065
01:00:25,920 --> 01:00:29,040
layman or that they were in
trouble. It was a huge and they

1066
01:00:29,040 --> 01:00:32,250
which is the same thing. Like
they were defending this company

1067
01:00:32,250 --> 01:00:35,940
that it turns out was in great
trouble, which does their course

1068
01:00:35,940 --> 01:00:38,880
or their viewership, no good.
And they CNBC has this huge

1069
01:00:38,880 --> 01:00:41,970
weakness. They're kind of
boosters for these big banks.

1070
01:00:41,970 --> 01:00:45,180
And some of these other guys
even though they they're on the

1071
01:00:45,180 --> 01:00:48,120
wrong side of the argument. I'm
now thinking that after hearing

1072
01:00:48,120 --> 01:00:50,460
this, that there's something
really wrong with JP Morgan that

1073
01:00:50,460 --> 01:00:53,850
should be looked into it, maybe
it's maybe it's gonna fall apart

1074
01:00:53,850 --> 01:00:55,710
or something's up the

1075
01:00:55,710 --> 01:00:57,990
thing that is not being
discussed, which I kind of would

1076
01:00:57,990 --> 01:01:04,050
expect from from a CNBC news
program is $11 billion in fines.

1077
01:01:04,080 --> 01:01:07,290
What did they do? I mean, you
can't just say, oh, yeah, London

1078
01:01:07,290 --> 01:01:12,450
Whale. No, I mean, you know, I
was speeding by 14 miles, I was

1079
01:01:12,450 --> 01:01:17,490
going 94 and an ad zone, I got a
$248 ticket. All right, I see it

1080
01:01:17,490 --> 01:01:20,340
go up and with the more miles
per hour that I'm exceeding that

1081
01:01:20,340 --> 01:01:22,740
limit, and a certain point, they
just take me off the road, take

1082
01:01:22,740 --> 01:01:27,240
my license away, I'm done. You
know, adios, MoPhO. What did you

1083
01:01:27,240 --> 01:01:32,760
do? That the end who then works
with you on determining that

1084
01:01:32,760 --> 01:01:36,390
we're going to this has to be
organized crime. If you're

1085
01:01:36,390 --> 01:01:41,340
saying okay, well, you made $35
billion in profit, that's your

1086
01:01:41,340 --> 01:01:45,810
net. But you did it with some
illegal activity. Why are you

1087
01:01:45,810 --> 01:01:48,210
getting fined? You know, it's
not like you shouldn't you're

1088
01:01:48,210 --> 01:01:50,580
not running your business
properly. This that's not how

1089
01:01:50,580 --> 01:01:52,950
America works. It's not

1090
01:01:53,070 --> 01:01:55,860
the HSBC fine for all the money
laundering.

1091
01:01:57,120 --> 01:02:00,300
I think it was 300 million or
something.

1092
01:02:01,049 --> 01:02:05,999
HSBC money laundering fine. And
that was like just nothing but

1093
01:02:05,999 --> 01:02:09,149
straight up illegal doings that
way. I was literally

1094
01:02:09,270 --> 01:02:12,270
laundering drug money, drug
money through through Mexican

1095
01:02:13,500 --> 01:02:16,860
banks, Mexican banks, yes. Their
Mexican outfits.

1096
01:02:17,820 --> 01:02:23,850
1.9 billion. Okay. Okay, so they
got hit with 1.9 billion for one

1097
01:02:23,850 --> 01:02:27,510
of the most onerous crimes
supporting the drug industry.

1098
01:02:29,610 --> 01:02:35,700
And these guys were 11. So what
you're saying is why? Yeah, what

1099
01:02:36,840 --> 01:02:40,080
we don't know about because it's
like an awfully big fine

1100
01:02:40,080 --> 01:02:45,000
considering that HSBC. You know,
it was 1.9 billion. But

1101
01:02:45,000 --> 01:02:47,130
headlines, by the way, are just
outrageous. Well,

1102
01:02:47,160 --> 01:02:51,090
but you have to think so it's
the number seems to be of

1103
01:02:51,090 --> 01:02:55,530
course, it's it's 33. Obviously,
about a third but 33% of

1104
01:02:55,530 --> 01:02:59,340
whatever you make illegally. You
have to kick back to the

1105
01:02:59,340 --> 01:03:01,710
government. Yeah, but I'm not
quite sure. And by the way,

1106
01:03:01,710 --> 01:03:05,040
where does that go? Does that go
into the treasury? Does that go?

1107
01:03:05,070 --> 01:03:09,480
I think it does, I think goes as
a general Obama stash. Maybe,

1108
01:03:09,600 --> 01:03:11,640
but I think it was supposed to
go into the general funds,

1109
01:03:11,640 --> 01:03:14,430
I believe, but yeah, but of
course it's a spit in the

1110
01:03:14,430 --> 01:03:19,170
bucket. You know, but but it has
to be that they're they're

1111
01:03:19,170 --> 01:03:24,030
really doing something highly
illegal. And it's gotta be more

1112
01:03:24,030 --> 01:03:27,570
illegal than this money drug
laundering. I'm telling you the

1113
01:03:27,570 --> 01:03:30,450
Silk Road shut down this this is
it's funny. Let me tell you some

1114
01:03:30,480 --> 01:03:34,740
I got an I got a note. I got a
message through backchannels

1115
01:03:34,770 --> 01:03:36,600
members, our friends in Zook.

1116
01:03:37,740 --> 01:03:40,560
Oh, yeah, zoo. Zoo. Okay,

1117
01:03:40,560 --> 01:03:45,630
and we're gonna see we're gonna
fuck everybody. We love it. They

1118
01:03:45,630 --> 01:03:47,370
love it when I when I when I

1119
01:03:47,670 --> 01:03:49,050
Yeah, that's probably the sound
like

1120
01:03:49,170 --> 01:03:52,800
no that no, that they they they
were astounded. They thought it

1121
01:03:52,800 --> 01:04:01,200
was a recording of them I got a
message from the Zook guys that

1122
01:04:01,200 --> 01:04:04,620
there was going to be a huge now
the message I got was a little

1123
01:04:04,620 --> 01:04:07,260
different and it was it was the
day before yesterday the message

1124
01:04:07,260 --> 01:04:13,590
was there's going to be a
currency manipulation scam and

1125
01:04:13,590 --> 01:04:17,940
they were saying it was Iraqi
dinars now the Iraqi dinar scam.

1126
01:04:18,330 --> 01:04:20,880
This has been going on for a
long time and it's not an

1127
01:04:20,880 --> 01:04:24,450
official currency. It was like
it was an official currency but

1128
01:04:24,450 --> 01:04:27,390
it's not really a forex currency
that people trade in. So I'm

1129
01:04:27,390 --> 01:04:30,990
looking into I'm like wow, this
this Why would these guys set me

1130
01:04:30,990 --> 01:04:34,620
up on an Iraqi dinar scam like
I'm not supposed to go out and

1131
01:04:34,620 --> 01:04:38,190
buy some Iraqi dinars because
it's or wait for it to drop and

1132
01:04:38,190 --> 01:04:42,600
then buy because it's gonna go
up and then the next day? We see

1133
01:04:42,600 --> 01:04:46,920
because of the Silk Road shut
down. We see the bitcoin price

1134
01:04:46,920 --> 01:04:52,620
go from 140 to 109. And then
within an hour, it's back at

1135
01:04:52,620 --> 01:04:53,520
130.

1136
01:04:54,240 --> 01:04:57,990
Nice, nice rebound and today it
is still hovering around

1137
01:04:58,020 --> 01:05:02,940
130 100 At the highest so far
was 132. So a lot of money was

1138
01:05:02,940 --> 01:05:07,410
made on this. And it's not like
everyone just went, Oh, no, no,

1139
01:05:07,410 --> 01:05:11,040
oh, we can't buy drugs, no more
Bitcoin. So I'm thinking they

1140
01:05:11,040 --> 01:05:13,740
were giving me code I
misunderstood the code. And it

1141
01:05:13,740 --> 01:05:17,880
was, and that there was a why
would they be giving you code?

1142
01:05:17,910 --> 01:05:22,260
Because they like how I imitate
their voice. They can't just say

1143
01:05:22,320 --> 01:05:25,680
what, you know, this is a pretty
serious thing that happened. If

1144
01:05:25,680 --> 01:05:28,530
it's true. I'm I can't verify.

1145
01:05:28,770 --> 01:05:31,440
Well, let's talk about this now.
Because I think people are

1146
01:05:31,440 --> 01:05:35,010
interested in our analysis of
the Silk Road situation. Yes, I

1147
01:05:35,010 --> 01:05:39,450
agree. And so what do you have?
I mean, I have I have a number

1148
01:05:39,450 --> 01:05:41,760
of things. I have a number of, I
have a number of things, but my

1149
01:05:41,760 --> 01:05:43,950
things are all superficial,
you'll have the number of things

1150
01:05:43,950 --> 01:05:45,930
that are probably more
interesting.

1151
01:05:46,200 --> 01:05:50,490
Well, yeah, I went I went down,
see if it's true, what I assert,

1152
01:05:50,640 --> 01:05:54,180
I went down. I went down
multiple roads.

1153
01:05:54,450 --> 01:05:56,460
All right, well, let me come up
with a couple of superficial

1154
01:05:56,460 --> 01:05:59,250
things first night. First of
all, I'm not sure that this is

1155
01:05:59,250 --> 01:06:03,330
the same guy that started it off
now that we know is no evidence

1156
01:06:03,330 --> 01:06:05,820
and then if you look at the
indictment, at least a New York

1157
01:06:05,820 --> 01:06:10,590
one this indictment I felt is a
crock of crap. It looks to me

1158
01:06:10,590 --> 01:06:14,460
like an advertisement for online
drug buying. And it's looked at

1159
01:06:14,460 --> 01:06:17,250
me well, I put your minds we've
got a great advertisement.

1160
01:06:18,870 --> 01:06:22,920
We'll remember but here's why.
When when you say first of all

1161
01:06:22,920 --> 01:06:27,480
it is it completely explains how
you do it, how it works. So it's

1162
01:06:27,480 --> 01:06:30,540
like okay, in case you ever want
to buy drugs illegally online,

1163
01:06:30,540 --> 01:06:34,410
you can go to black market
reloaded is a ton of drug sites

1164
01:06:34,410 --> 01:06:38,100
just like silk road that are
around and that have now now

1165
01:06:38,100 --> 01:06:42,450
garnered strength amazingly. It
tells you how to do it. It tells

1166
01:06:42,450 --> 01:06:45,570
you how it works. It tells you
how you stay anonymous. In fact,

1167
01:06:45,600 --> 01:06:47,700
it tells you the thing is
completely secure as long as

1168
01:06:47,700 --> 01:06:51,510
you're not having fake IDs sent
over to rent servers that you

1169
01:06:51,510 --> 01:06:56,130
log in as you know, the douche a
douchebag.org are actually

1170
01:06:56,130 --> 01:07:00,150
frosty at frosty frosty frosty
died. Well frosted calm is a

1171
01:07:00,150 --> 01:07:03,210
Wendy's domain name. So that's
kind of bullcrap. Right there.

1172
01:07:03,210 --> 01:07:03,840
But okay. Yeah.

1173
01:07:03,840 --> 01:07:05,670
No, that's a good good example.
Yeah. So,

1174
01:07:05,940 --> 01:07:10,740
but it literally says that the
quality of the drugs was

1175
01:07:10,740 --> 01:07:17,730
extremely high. This shoot great
drugs, great products. So I felt

1176
01:07:17,730 --> 01:07:24,060
that if anything. This was a
great wave. I don't know if they

1177
01:07:24,060 --> 01:07:26,820
even arrested anybody. We'd have
no way of knowing there's no,

1178
01:07:26,940 --> 01:07:27,420
there's no one

1179
01:07:27,930 --> 01:07:30,330
wants to be over in San
Francisco. Yeah, but where's

1180
01:07:30,330 --> 01:07:31,860
the perp walk? Where's the
press?

1181
01:07:33,000 --> 01:07:34,680
We haven't seen him arrested. We
don't.

1182
01:07:34,860 --> 01:07:38,250
I mean, this is this is huge. A
billion dollars. They're saying

1183
01:07:38,250 --> 01:07:40,650
and no one's coming out and
claiming victory. Are you

1184
01:07:40,650 --> 01:07:41,640
kidding me?

1185
01:07:41,820 --> 01:07:47,130
There's another thing there. The
guy the Silk Road guy supposedly

1186
01:07:47,130 --> 01:07:50,550
made $80 million in commissions.
He was sent to the middle of

1187
01:07:50,580 --> 01:07:53,550
living in his buddy's apartment.
Yeah. And he's living in some

1188
01:07:53,550 --> 01:07:56,520
shithole in San Francisco with
two roommates.

1189
01:07:57,450 --> 01:08:01,590
Like, yeah, okay, let me tell
you. I don't care how

1190
01:08:01,650 --> 01:08:08,730
clandestine you want to be. If I
have $80 million in, in

1191
01:08:08,730 --> 01:08:16,650
commissions from my little Silk
Road Project, dude. And then, so

1192
01:08:16,680 --> 01:08:21,630
just to make it a little
weirder. And I agree with you, I

1193
01:08:21,630 --> 01:08:25,530
thought the complaint which was
basically request for an arrest

1194
01:08:25,530 --> 01:08:30,450
warrant, and by the way that I
find it to be very strange the

1195
01:08:30,450 --> 01:08:35,430
way it was written. I thought it
was poorly written. It uses the

1196
01:08:35,430 --> 01:08:37,380
the, the special FBI agent,

1197
01:08:37,470 --> 01:08:40,290
the Elliot Ness of narcotics.
Well, he's

1198
01:08:40,290 --> 01:08:46,890
the same guy that nabbed Sabu of
anonymous. Christopher Tarbell,

1199
01:08:46,890 --> 01:08:49,440
so I thought that would To me
that was more of a red flag day

1200
01:08:49,440 --> 01:08:53,370
thing? Yeah. Oh, really. It's
that guy. Again, this is all

1201
01:08:53,370 --> 01:08:59,820
they got. They only have one guy
who can do this. So this and

1202
01:08:59,820 --> 01:09:04,650
then there's a second complaint
that was filed in Maryland way.

1203
01:09:04,650 --> 01:09:06,600
By the way, just go back to the
first complaint before you go to

1204
01:09:06,600 --> 01:09:09,480
the second time. I want to
mention that the real the only

1205
01:09:09,510 --> 01:09:13,320
evidence they have it's the same
guy is because he was on some

1206
01:09:13,320 --> 01:09:18,600
forum with his real name, asking
for some some code that he could

1207
01:09:18,600 --> 01:09:22,260
run on the PHP server to fix a
bug that apparently was at the

1208
01:09:22,260 --> 01:09:27,690
Silk Road on the Silk Road
servers. And, and, and they took

1209
01:09:27,690 --> 01:09:30,600
the code that they used. This is
bullcrap, by the way, but this

1210
01:09:30,600 --> 01:09:33,750
what they say? They found the
code on the Silk Road service

1211
01:09:33,750 --> 01:09:37,680
that was similar, but not the
same as the code he was given in

1212
01:09:37,680 --> 01:09:42,390
this forum to fix a bug problem.
But that doesn't mean he wasn't

1213
01:09:42,390 --> 01:09:45,450
like a contractor. I mean, this
is this is the evidence that is

1214
01:09:45,480 --> 01:09:46,740
that he's the guy

1215
01:09:46,770 --> 01:09:52,500
so well. So this was only used a
pairing his own coat and to get

1216
01:09:52,500 --> 01:09:58,200
a war I know. So here's stuff
that I didn't like. Count one of

1217
01:09:58,200 --> 01:10:02,580
the original A complaint. Is
this in the Maryland complaint?

1218
01:10:02,580 --> 01:10:04,290
No, no, I'm gonna do the
Maryland This is count one of

1219
01:10:04,290 --> 01:10:07,200
the New York one. Okay,
Narcotics Trafficking

1220
01:10:07,200 --> 01:10:11,850
Conspiracy. And under the
conspiracy, there's four points.

1221
01:10:12,450 --> 01:10:17,160
And then the fifth point, the
sixth point is under overt acts

1222
01:10:17,160 --> 01:10:24,450
under the first count, is where
he tried to have someone execute

1223
01:10:24,450 --> 01:10:28,140
another silk road user under
murder for hire. Why is that

1224
01:10:28,140 --> 01:10:31,260
under? I'm not a lawyer. But why
is that under Narcotics

1225
01:10:31,260 --> 01:10:36,330
Trafficking Conspiracy? And by
the computer hacking conspiracy,

1226
01:10:36,630 --> 01:10:41,430
a money laundering conspiracy?
So conspiring is one thing to do

1227
01:10:41,430 --> 01:10:45,660
something is another. So I'm not
sure about it. Yeah,

1228
01:10:45,660 --> 01:10:49,980
the thing that's weird, is that
this this assassination,

1229
01:10:49,980 --> 01:10:54,330
supposedly, which was, I guess,
they've wiretap some

1230
01:10:54,360 --> 01:10:57,240
conversation, or they got some
of his messages. They could

1231
01:10:57,240 --> 01:11:00,150
never prove that anyone was even
killed. Well, well, they

1232
01:11:00,150 --> 01:11:02,970
mentioned that in here deeper,
so no, I

1233
01:11:02,970 --> 01:11:05,550
saw it because they checked with
the Canadian authorities.

1234
01:11:06,540 --> 01:11:11,580
However, the bit check the
Bitcoin chain, of the payment

1235
01:11:11,610 --> 01:11:17,280
equaling this $150,000 That of
course, everyone immediately all

1236
01:11:17,280 --> 01:11:19,680
over the web is oh, look, you
can see here's the money it was

1237
01:11:19,680 --> 01:11:21,810
trending. You can you don't know
really where it's going. But you

1238
01:11:21,810 --> 01:11:24,960
can follow the chain as to the
this exact amount, which was

1239
01:11:24,960 --> 01:11:29,910
sent on that exact day. So it
feels to me like this was very

1240
01:11:29,910 --> 01:11:33,180
carefully constructed to have
this part of the story make

1241
01:11:33,180 --> 01:11:36,510
sense, even though we can't find
a body in the Maryland

1242
01:11:36,510 --> 01:11:41,100
complaint? This is what's
interesting. You know, in the

1243
01:11:41,100 --> 01:11:43,920
one you read, he refers to
having killed someone having

1244
01:11:43,920 --> 01:11:46,290
someone killed before for
$80,000.

1245
01:11:47,640 --> 01:11:50,010
Right? Well, there was a range
of price.

1246
01:11:50,700 --> 01:11:55,890
Well, he says, Why does it have
to be between 150 and $300,000?

1247
01:11:55,920 --> 01:11:59,730
I've had it done before for
80,000. Right, right. Right. So

1248
01:11:59,730 --> 01:12:04,230
that 80,000 in the Maryland
complaint, on or about January

1249
01:12:04,230 --> 01:12:09,990
26 2013. Ross William Ulbricht
aka Dread Pirate Roberts, aka

1250
01:12:09,990 --> 01:12:12,480
DPR communicated with the
undercover agent via the

1251
01:12:12,480 --> 01:12:16,890
internet told the EEOC that the
employee had been arrested by

1252
01:12:16,890 --> 01:12:19,200
law enforcement employee had
stolen funds from other silk

1253
01:12:19,200 --> 01:12:23,160
road users. Asked the undercover
agent to arrange for the

1254
01:12:23,160 --> 01:12:26,310
employee to be beaten and forced
to return the money stating

1255
01:12:26,310 --> 01:12:29,310
specifically I'd like him beat
up then forced to send the

1256
01:12:29,310 --> 01:12:33,030
Bitcoins he stole back. And then
later, he says, I'd like to

1257
01:12:33,030 --> 01:12:37,650
change that the change the order
to execute rather torture. And

1258
01:12:37,680 --> 01:12:41,820
this is where that $80,000 came
from. Apparently, according to

1259
01:12:41,820 --> 01:12:46,050
this, he was he was, you know,
and they staged with photos,

1260
01:12:46,050 --> 01:12:50,190
they stayed at this employee got
beat up and was killed. But the

1261
01:12:50,190 --> 01:12:55,620
cops were luring him into doing
this. And so

1262
01:12:55,620 --> 01:12:57,060
the one of those deals, yeah,

1263
01:12:57,090 --> 01:13:01,500
but it seems like do we have to
separate agencies, two separate

1264
01:13:01,680 --> 01:13:06,510
people working on this? No one
has really released this. I

1265
01:13:06,510 --> 01:13:10,020
mean, no one's talking about the
Maryland complaint. Everyone's

1266
01:13:10,020 --> 01:13:13,530
talking about the New York one.
And then of course, we get

1267
01:13:13,590 --> 01:13:17,040
everyone jumping up and down
about how incredibly secure Tor

1268
01:13:17,040 --> 01:13:18,690
is and how great it works.

1269
01:13:18,810 --> 01:13:21,540
It's Yeah, I noticed that too.
It seemed to be overdone.

1270
01:13:21,960 --> 01:13:25,440
Now, here's so here's where I
found something, I believe have

1271
01:13:25,470 --> 01:13:32,250
interesting value. So the tour
blog, and of course, this is our

1272
01:13:32,250 --> 01:13:38,010
buddy. What's his name
Applebaum. This is the you know,

1273
01:13:38,100 --> 01:13:42,960
he speaks on behalf of Julian
Assange and Laura Poitras. So he

1274
01:13:42,960 --> 01:13:46,500
writes his huge blog post about
you know, if you read the

1275
01:13:46,500 --> 01:13:49,260
complaint, you can see that, you
know, yes, he did some some

1276
01:13:49,260 --> 01:13:51,690
careless stuff happen. But that
had nothing to do with the

1277
01:13:51,690 --> 01:13:55,080
security of Tor, the onion,
everything works fantastic.

1278
01:13:55,080 --> 01:13:58,890
Everything's great. EFF comes
out says something very similar.

1279
01:13:58,890 --> 01:14:02,550
I've always been suspicious of
EFF. And I'm like, you know, and

1280
01:14:02,550 --> 01:14:10,440
then I see in this blog post
that Tor is a 5013 C. nonprofit

1281
01:14:10,440 --> 01:14:11,910
corporation. Did you know that?

1282
01:14:12,570 --> 01:14:16,500
Oh, haha, yeah, got me in that
one. And this is where at one

1283
01:14:16,500 --> 01:14:17,730
point, this is where Adam

1284
01:14:17,730 --> 01:14:23,400
gets a hard on. So I pull the
990. And this is always fun,

1285
01:14:23,400 --> 01:14:27,540
because you want to look at the
address. Oh, by the way, they

1286
01:14:27,540 --> 01:14:32,940
brought in $1.3 million in
2011 2012 has not been filed

1287
01:14:32,940 --> 01:14:37,740
yet. They have a couple more
weeks to do that. Not bad $1.3

1288
01:14:37,770 --> 01:14:41,550
million. For the Tor Project. Of
course, you always have to

1289
01:14:42,000 --> 01:14:45,900
consider where that money is
coming from. They have a

1290
01:14:45,900 --> 01:14:48,960
statement to develop improved
distribute free publicly

1291
01:14:48,960 --> 01:14:51,870
available tools and programs
that promote free speech, free

1292
01:14:51,870 --> 01:14:54,960
expression, civic engagement and
privacy rights online. Okay, it

1293
01:14:54,960 --> 01:14:59,970
makes sense. Now, let's find out
a little bit about where they're

1294
01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:05,970
Money is going they have. By the
way, this Applebaum is not on

1295
01:15:05,970 --> 01:15:11,700
the he's not an employee. So we
have Roger Dingle Dyne, which

1296
01:15:11,880 --> 01:15:15,000
that's an alias have ever heard
one. Okay, Roger Dingle Dyne.

1297
01:15:15,030 --> 01:15:19,500
He's making 126 grand, Nick
Mathewson. He makes 126 grand

1298
01:15:19,500 --> 01:15:24,660
Andrew lume Andrew lumen, he
makes $140,000. And then they

1299
01:15:24,660 --> 01:15:28,290
have this interesting entry. No,
if you had if you give more than

1300
01:15:28,290 --> 01:15:33,600
$100,000 of compensation to any
external organization, you have

1301
01:15:33,600 --> 01:15:42,660
to report that and they say
simply spent $127,500 on

1302
01:15:42,870 --> 01:15:49,500
formless networking, LLC 30 at
Raymond Street, San Francisco.

1303
01:15:49,920 --> 01:15:54,720
So I'm looking around and it
turns out that formless LLC was

1304
01:15:54,720 --> 01:15:59,940
target of an anonymous hit a
couple years ago, and that

1305
01:15:59,940 --> 01:16:05,940
Anonymous was outing this this
same organization as the company

1306
01:16:05,940 --> 01:16:11,070
that was helping to create
servers for pedophiles and for

1307
01:16:11,070 --> 01:16:14,010
pedo. Bear networks. Right?
There. I

1308
01:16:14,010 --> 01:16:16,770
remember this well, yeah, this
went down. So the

1309
01:16:16,770 --> 01:16:20,790
so for some reason, foremost,
LLC received 127 and a half

1310
01:16:20,790 --> 01:16:21,210
1000.

1311
01:16:21,840 --> 01:16:24,870
Wouldn't it make more sense that
formless would be giving them

1312
01:16:24,870 --> 01:16:27,960
money? Not the other way around?
That doesn't make any sense?

1313
01:16:27,960 --> 01:16:28,080
Well,

1314
01:16:28,080 --> 01:16:31,230
let's take a look at where their
money comes from. This is, this

1315
01:16:31,230 --> 01:16:34,680
is kind of cool. Now remember,
this is for free speech and to

1316
01:16:34,680 --> 01:16:37,950
protect your speech. And
whenever I said, you know, I've

1317
01:16:37,950 --> 01:16:38,940
just learned just

1318
01:16:38,969 --> 01:16:42,659
Well, we've taken this approach
if it says it's, you know,

1319
01:16:42,659 --> 01:16:46,739
something pro it's against, it's
something Yes. Let's stop all

1320
01:16:46,979 --> 01:16:49,259
this for it. Right? Everything
is the opposite.

1321
01:16:50,190 --> 01:16:55,710
Contract income from SR i, which
is some form of Institute.

1322
01:16:56,460 --> 01:17:00,000
The Stanford Research Institute
that went private is a think

1323
01:17:00,000 --> 01:17:00,630
tank. Yes.

1324
01:17:00,660 --> 01:17:05,370
Half a million dollars from
them. Yes, I do a contract

1325
01:17:05,370 --> 01:17:10,470
income. I believe this is a
Swedish think tank, a 279. The

1326
01:17:10,470 --> 01:17:14,280
National Science Foundation 143.
And then something called the

1327
01:17:14,310 --> 01:17:19,650
Internet news network. Internet
news network. Wow. John, have

1328
01:17:19,650 --> 01:17:24,600
you ever heard of the internet
news network? No. Oh, please.

1329
01:17:25,020 --> 01:17:27,660
Point your browser to

1330
01:17:27,690 --> 01:17:28,890
Yeah, this is gonna be a good
one.

1331
01:17:31,560 --> 01:17:36,330
It's really about internews.org.
Yeah, go to interviews.org.

1332
01:17:36,330 --> 01:17:39,720
Well, I bring up their form 990.
This one's a little longer.

1333
01:17:41,760 --> 01:17:45,270
Local voices global change
global issues where we work our

1334
01:17:45,270 --> 01:17:46,080
stories.

1335
01:17:46,110 --> 01:17:50,340
Yeah. Why don't you go to our
house? Yeah, go to our stories

1336
01:17:50,340 --> 01:17:56,070
slash in the news to our
stories, so you get our our

1337
01:17:56,070 --> 01:17:56,760
dashboards.

1338
01:17:57,120 --> 01:17:59,070
All right, right. Where I'm
looking. And what did we see all

1339
01:17:59,070 --> 01:18:01,110
kinds of logos here from people
who

1340
01:18:01,110 --> 01:18:04,980
are helping you sad right at the
top of the list? Yes. That would

1341
01:18:04,980 --> 01:18:11,460
be cry J net yo journalism
handbook. Global Voices. This

1342
01:18:11,460 --> 01:18:16,110
world wife World Wildlife
Federation, the voices? Irin.

1343
01:18:16,140 --> 01:18:19,620
Yeah, how much money do you
think this? This little

1344
01:18:19,620 --> 01:18:23,340
nonprofit to this Internews?
Let's see, let's just see. Let's

1345
01:18:23,340 --> 01:18:24,150
just see what their

1346
01:18:24,360 --> 01:18:28,470
guys basically produced.
propaganda for various

1347
01:18:28,470 --> 01:18:29,730
organizations. Yes, that

1348
01:18:29,730 --> 01:18:34,260
would be correct. And so they
give money to the Tor Project.

1349
01:18:34,320 --> 01:18:36,450
Why? Why?

1350
01:18:37,710 --> 01:18:45,510
Okay, so, let me let me just
read from this here. I've

1351
01:18:45,510 --> 01:18:52,950
circled there there. So, okay,
so inter news network. They they

1352
01:18:52,950 --> 01:18:58,110
work in Asia, Africa, Europe, in
a rage I'll just give you Europe

1353
01:18:58,110 --> 01:19:01,260
just an exam. This is from their
form 990. This is what they tell

1354
01:19:01,260 --> 01:19:04,740
the government that they do. We
provide technical support to

1355
01:19:04,740 --> 01:19:08,880
independent TV, radio, print and
online media sources in the

1356
01:19:08,880 --> 01:19:12,510
region. video, press release,
train, career and citizen

1357
01:19:12,510 --> 01:19:15,810
journalism journalists in
professional ethical journalism,

1358
01:19:16,170 --> 01:19:19,110
and assist traditional media
outlets to create interactive

1359
01:19:19,110 --> 01:19:23,790
multimedia online presences. We
work with local media, NGOs and

1360
01:19:23,790 --> 01:19:27,420
associations to create active
networks of media professionals,

1361
01:19:27,540 --> 01:19:31,050
enabling them to speak out with
one voice against censorship and

1362
01:19:31,050 --> 01:19:34,620
repressive policies. We provide
legal assistance to journalists

1363
01:19:34,620 --> 01:19:38,730
and bloggers in trouble and
advocate for free and open

1364
01:19:38,730 --> 01:19:42,060
Internet policies. Our work in
the region creates opportunities

1365
01:19:42,060 --> 01:19:45,180
for dialogue across borders,
bringing colleagues from

1366
01:19:45,180 --> 01:19:49,080
polarized societies together in
collaborative exchanges. This is

1367
01:19:49,080 --> 01:19:54,690
for Europe. And you know how
much money they brought in in in

1368
01:19:54,690 --> 01:19:59,970
2011 John to help a journalist
and bloggers and non GAAP

1369
01:20:00,000 --> 01:20:01,980
governmental organizations
across the world,

1370
01:20:02,160 --> 01:20:05,010
I would assume be over
10,000,050 $6 million.

1371
01:20:06,450 --> 01:20:13,290
Are you fucking kidding me? This
is the propaganda arm. This is

1372
01:20:13,290 --> 01:20:18,360
where it comes from. And it
comes in it comes in from USA ID

1373
01:20:18,360 --> 01:20:22,140
and all these other bull crap
government or David Hoffman, by

1374
01:20:22,140 --> 01:20:31,410
the way the CEO makes $350,000
It's just it's a bonanza, their

1375
01:20:31,410 --> 01:20:35,880
their their assets at the end of
2011 was over $100 million. It

1376
01:20:35,880 --> 01:20:38,400
do they lobby? Oh, yeah, they
spend a couple million dollars

1377
01:20:38,400 --> 01:20:39,180
on lobbying.

1378
01:20:40,530 --> 01:20:42,840
And why would a news
organization be doing that?

1379
01:20:43,259 --> 01:20:47,009
Because they're locked, because
it's propaganda. And the Tor

1380
01:20:47,009 --> 01:20:50,309
network is a part of it. And if
if they're not, then they should

1381
01:20:50,309 --> 01:20:52,889
refuse money from this
organization. This, this

1382
01:20:52,889 --> 01:20:55,169
organization stands for
everything the Tor network

1383
01:20:55,169 --> 01:20:59,279
should not be unless it's
compromised in some way. And

1384
01:20:59,279 --> 01:21:00,899
it's just one big joke.

1385
01:21:02,940 --> 01:21:05,910
Well, I tend to kind of be on
that long, though, along those

1386
01:21:06,240 --> 01:21:06,630
lines.

1387
01:21:07,379 --> 01:21:10,409
So I'm just looking at some of
the money they spent. So for

1388
01:21:10,409 --> 01:21:14,309
media assistance to Russia and
the newly independent states in

1389
01:21:14,309 --> 01:21:26,129
2011 $11 million. Yeah, to F
Putin. You think that this

1390
01:21:26,129 --> 01:21:28,619
tradition, this, these are the
techno experts? John, this is

1391
01:21:28,619 --> 01:21:32,099
this. This is Hillary's techno
expert program right here.

1392
01:21:32,910 --> 01:21:33,780
That's one of them. We're

1393
01:21:33,780 --> 01:21:37,500
going to teach you how to blog
and blog about your horrible

1394
01:21:37,500 --> 01:21:44,700
leader. America good. Putin bad.
Anyway, you can find all of

1395
01:21:44,700 --> 01:21:48,720
these form 990s under Silk Road
in the show notes 553 dot na

1396
01:21:48,720 --> 01:21:51,540
shownotes.com. So you know,
there's a couple of things going

1397
01:21:51,540 --> 01:21:55,770
on. Number one, Silk Road I
think is definitely gone. I have

1398
01:21:55,770 --> 01:22:00,330
to say I found the logo that
they they the the so called law

1399
01:22:00,330 --> 01:22:04,950
enforcement agencies who have
seized this hidden site that

1400
01:22:04,950 --> 01:22:07,980
they had nice of them to put a
little Silk Road logo in the

1401
01:22:07,980 --> 01:22:10,980
background. I thought that was a
nice touch. I had no idea that

1402
01:22:10,980 --> 01:22:15,330
time to Photoshop that stuff.
But okay. They found that to be

1403
01:22:15,330 --> 01:22:21,090
strange. Yes. If anything, if we
don't see a perp, if we don't

1404
01:22:21,090 --> 01:22:24,450
see some guy getting strung up,
we don't see people claiming big

1405
01:22:24,450 --> 01:22:28,680
victory over this $1.2 billion.
I'm gonna say it was one, a

1406
01:22:28,680 --> 01:22:34,200
great manipulation scheme of
Bitcoin. And someone made a lot

1407
01:22:34,200 --> 01:22:37,650
of good money on that. I will
also say that it's probably

1408
01:22:37,650 --> 01:22:40,560
going to be black market
Reloaded, although I don't think

1409
01:22:40,560 --> 01:22:43,860
that's a great name, there's
going to be a silk road to that

1410
01:22:43,860 --> 01:22:47,460
will take off in the same
manner. People will feel

1411
01:22:47,460 --> 01:22:49,680
confident they'll feel oh, you
know, is this Tor stuff? It

1412
01:22:49,680 --> 01:22:52,650
totally works. And I think the
government will actually be

1413
01:22:52,650 --> 01:22:56,340
running that one. I thought the
government was running this one

1414
01:22:56,340 --> 01:22:58,800
because it was just too easy. It
was working too. Well. It may

1415
01:22:58,800 --> 01:23:02,430
have been Yeah, well, no. It
still couldn't be. But I think

1416
01:23:02,430 --> 01:23:06,690
that this is a great marketing
exercise. Like, let's, let's

1417
01:23:06,690 --> 01:23:07,620
bust this.

1418
01:23:07,680 --> 01:23:10,440
No, you could I could make the
argument that the government was

1419
01:23:10,440 --> 01:23:13,170
running it, it was a honeypot.
And the reason that because you

1420
01:23:13,170 --> 01:23:15,660
actually yourself said that the
the indictment, it was really

1421
01:23:15,660 --> 01:23:18,540
more of a promotion for how to
use these systems to encourage

1422
01:23:18,540 --> 01:23:22,410
more people to try them. And so
it would make sense because the

1423
01:23:22,410 --> 01:23:25,200
only reason the way you're gonna
get this, this marketing

1424
01:23:25,740 --> 01:23:29,550
information, this this
collateral information out is by

1425
01:23:29,550 --> 01:23:30,480
busting them.

1426
01:23:30,509 --> 01:23:34,259
Yeah. And having this document
which is poorly written, I feel

1427
01:23:35,159 --> 01:23:35,339
the

1428
01:23:36,179 --> 01:23:39,809
same way over Users Guide by
China. Yes.

1429
01:23:39,960 --> 01:23:45,360
Well, hold on. And since when
does an FBI special special

1430
01:23:45,360 --> 01:23:51,690
officer Special Agent instances
use the word fake? Fake IDs fake

1431
01:23:51,690 --> 01:23:55,140
this fake that? No, no. There
are other words you use in these

1432
01:23:55,140 --> 01:23:59,700
types of reports, counterfeit,
counterfeit, illegal, illicit,

1433
01:23:59,850 --> 01:24:03,810
but he always fake it was a fake
ID that to me was not FBI

1434
01:24:03,810 --> 01:24:07,620
language. And for it to be the
same guy who brought down

1435
01:24:07,620 --> 01:24:09,120
anonymous the a very funny

1436
01:24:11,250 --> 01:24:15,660
so we'll see. It would be funny
if my order still showed up.

1437
01:24:15,660 --> 01:24:21,330
That would be cool. Otherwise,
I'm out point eight Bitcoin

1438
01:24:21,390 --> 01:24:21,840
down.

1439
01:24:23,550 --> 01:24:27,360
Oh, well. Well, they had a
really I picked up a couple of

1440
01:24:27,360 --> 01:24:31,440
different reports that were in
the news. They had a really long

1441
01:24:32,100 --> 01:24:35,370
effect. I didn't even clip any
of it because it was so long. It

1442
01:24:35,370 --> 01:24:41,250
was on PBS NewsHour. And they it
was done. Apparently some woman

1443
01:24:41,250 --> 01:24:44,970
had some woman from ITV or some
other organization had done some

1444
01:24:44,970 --> 01:24:48,600
report. And it was I would like
to, I'm going to send it to you

1445
01:24:48,630 --> 01:24:53,220
eventually. So you can listen to
the horrible cuts that were the

1446
01:24:53,250 --> 01:24:57,120
long click. You know, every time
there was a edit, there was all

1447
01:24:57,120 --> 01:24:59,550
these edits. Everything was
edited and you just hear click

1448
01:24:59,850 --> 01:25:02,820
it was a really bothered pop?
Yeah, it was terrible. It was

1449
01:25:02,820 --> 01:25:05,760
the worst edited piece I ever
heard

1450
01:25:06,000 --> 01:25:09,510
anywhere as we speak, by the
way, just us talking about it.

1451
01:25:09,720 --> 01:25:15,090
Bitcoin up to one 30.6 We're
good skywriting. We're good,

1452
01:25:15,090 --> 01:25:21,840
John. So, okay, so you weren't
buying this either. I mean, no,

1453
01:25:21,960 --> 01:25:23,550
this is too much missing.

1454
01:25:24,150 --> 01:25:27,210
It was way too much missing. And
the thing about the guy living

1455
01:25:27,210 --> 01:25:32,370
in an apartment with two
roommates. Yeah, Josh was like a

1456
01:25:32,370 --> 01:25:37,530
little much. I mean, if you I
mean, there's a million ways if

1457
01:25:37,530 --> 01:25:41,010
you're like, some. I mean, you
could live with one of the

1458
01:25:41,010 --> 01:25:44,220
apartments at the Ritz Carlton.
Maybe course he did. The whole

1459
01:25:44,220 --> 01:25:48,300
thing was bad. Yeah, yeah.

1460
01:25:49,259 --> 01:25:51,659
But we'll see. We'll do it.
We'll slowly I'm

1461
01:25:51,660 --> 01:25:54,870
all here. I got here. I've got
the report. Here. It's a silk

1462
01:25:54,870 --> 01:25:58,080
road and bad editing clip. Maybe
some of this is on there. You

1463
01:25:58,080 --> 01:26:01,740
can just listen carefully to
this report and tell me what you

1464
01:26:01,740 --> 01:26:02,070
think

1465
01:26:02,100 --> 01:26:05,460
television news investigated the
world of online drug sales

1466
01:26:05,460 --> 01:26:08,730
recently. We begin with this
account from correspondent

1467
01:26:08,730 --> 01:26:09,900
Cordelia Lynch,

1468
01:26:10,290 --> 01:26:14,430
we decided to see just how easy
it is to buy drugs on a site

1469
01:26:14,430 --> 01:26:19,410
called Silk Road. Well, on here
I can see everything from

1470
01:26:19,410 --> 01:26:26,970
heroin, crack, ecstasy pills.
The heroin here goes from 225 US

1471
01:26:26,970 --> 01:26:32,730
dollars, up to 5000. You can
even rate people. This is a

1472
01:26:32,730 --> 01:26:38,310
system based on trust. Here, the
seller says two grams of the

1473
01:26:38,310 --> 01:26:43,380
best Afghan brown heroin to
satisfaction guaranteed at

1474
01:26:43,380 --> 01:26:48,450
promises. We bought three and a
half grams of MDMA, a key

1475
01:26:48,450 --> 01:26:53,760
ingredient in ecstasy and one
gram of opium. Well, the

1476
01:26:53,760 --> 01:26:57,600
envelopes have arrived, it took
just three days. And now we're

1477
01:26:57,600 --> 01:27:01,410
going to find out what's inside
a government licensed

1478
01:27:01,410 --> 01:27:07,980
laboratory, and they're going to
test the contents for us. Genre

1479
01:27:07,980 --> 01:27:11,940
Ramsey is a toxicologist who
spent nearly three decades

1480
01:27:11,940 --> 01:27:14,160
analyzing drugs for the police.

1481
01:27:14,790 --> 01:27:18,300
So we've got an almost perfect
match for crystal in the

1482
01:27:19,350 --> 01:27:22,020
next he tested the opium we
ordered.

1483
01:27:22,380 --> 01:27:25,860
So we've got one small package,
which could be open

1484
01:27:26,940 --> 01:27:30,930
it to tested positive. Are you
surprised that these things are

1485
01:27:30,930 --> 01:27:33,360
so readily available on the
internet? Yes,

1486
01:27:33,809 --> 01:27:37,079
we know there's already marked
in legal highs, but these are

1487
01:27:37,109 --> 01:27:40,649
illegal compounds. And I am
surprised that it's relatively

1488
01:27:40,649 --> 01:27:43,349
straightforward to buy them
across. Yeah,

1489
01:27:43,379 --> 01:27:45,899
this is a giant promotion.
You're right.

1490
01:27:45,929 --> 01:27:49,949
It's an ad it's like it was it
had the quality is Groeschel.

1491
01:27:50,129 --> 01:27:56,549
And And the funny thing is that
the Bitcoin on the Silk Road

1492
01:27:57,479 --> 01:28:05,009
becomes its own entity. And what
I mean by that is, I think at

1493
01:28:05,009 --> 01:28:09,899
least I noticed this that you
are no longer thinking about

1494
01:28:09,899 --> 01:28:13,079
what is that really worth? It's
just Oh, it's like, that's point

1495
01:28:13,079 --> 01:28:16,049
a Bitcoin that's a good deal.
Without even thinking, of

1496
01:28:16,049 --> 01:28:18,449
course, I never actually spent
any money on my Bitcoins, you

1497
01:28:18,449 --> 01:28:21,899
know, they were kind of given to
me. And when there was no when

1498
01:28:21,899 --> 01:28:27,449
they were worth nothing. You
know, it's, it's like the

1499
01:28:27,449 --> 01:28:35,099
economy of that marketplace,
really worked. Really, really,

1500
01:28:35,099 --> 01:28:38,579
really well. And by the way, I
think, what a great system. We

1501
01:28:38,579 --> 01:28:42,599
don't have people going out to
buy drugs on the street. You

1502
01:28:42,599 --> 01:28:43,979
know, it's delivered to your
high

1503
01:28:43,980 --> 01:28:46,140
pass the black man starve them
out.

1504
01:28:47,820 --> 01:28:52,710
They're not all black. That's
bad. Whatever you does bad with.

1505
01:28:54,300 --> 01:28:59,400
Eric would say no good. That was
really no wonder.

1506
01:29:00,390 --> 01:29:04,170
Well, let's, let's take another
look at this as a promotional

1507
01:29:04,170 --> 01:29:06,810
tool. Because this is what it
seems like they were they were

1508
01:29:06,810 --> 01:29:09,240
just saying there's great
quality. The question that comes

1509
01:29:09,240 --> 01:29:13,020
to mind as I watch any of these
is where are the sniffer dogs?

1510
01:29:13,350 --> 01:29:17,010
Now, I don't care what anybody
says. If you put marijuana in

1511
01:29:17,040 --> 01:29:21,120
anything, they're just a
residual aroma. And all dogs and

1512
01:29:21,120 --> 01:29:24,270
dogs can find that of course,
dogs can find it in a in a

1513
01:29:24,270 --> 01:29:28,170
heartbeat. I don't care what you
do. That's because those dogs

1514
01:29:28,170 --> 01:29:30,660
have got you know, sensory
organs that are outstanding, and

1515
01:29:30,660 --> 01:29:34,230
they're keyed in to some of
these drugs. And so, where how

1516
01:29:34,230 --> 01:29:37,020
come people haven't been your
housing data, these things

1517
01:29:37,020 --> 01:29:40,770
arrive in the mail. You got this
shipment. It's I don't know what

1518
01:29:40,770 --> 01:29:44,040
you put in it, but whatever it
was, it could have been caught

1519
01:29:44,040 --> 01:29:48,720
by a dog it seems to me. And
meanwhile, dogs playing around

1520
01:29:48,720 --> 01:29:51,390
with all these dogs that can
smell them smell this stuff

1521
01:29:51,390 --> 01:29:54,240
going right to the Post Office
service, you know, although if

1522
01:29:54,240 --> 01:29:59,190
it was something like you know,
one of these these toxins that

1523
01:29:59,190 --> 01:30:01,800
you know, they had A big stink
over they could catch those

1524
01:30:01,800 --> 01:30:06,780
things. Rice and they can find
rice and beans. Yeah, marijuana.

1525
01:30:06,810 --> 01:30:09,990
Right, right. And they also
managed to stop this bogus

1526
01:30:09,990 --> 01:30:15,690
stoppage of this guy. The guy in
San Francisco with his fake IDs

1527
01:30:15,690 --> 01:30:18,360
are using the word fake. All,
you know, apparently all came in

1528
01:30:18,360 --> 01:30:21,210
one big bundle with a bunch of
different passports and other

1529
01:30:21,210 --> 01:30:22,860
things. They stopped that

1530
01:30:22,890 --> 01:30:26,100
Yeah. And conveniently, they
opened it up just by a routine,

1531
01:30:26,820 --> 01:30:28,230
routine routine.

1532
01:30:28,590 --> 01:30:32,700
Yeah, I was gonna set a routine
check. And so they catch that,

1533
01:30:32,700 --> 01:30:34,020
which seems unlikely

1534
01:30:34,050 --> 01:30:38,970
also how this story broke. This
is and this was another flag for

1535
01:30:38,970 --> 01:30:45,930
me. We first got this document
from some guy at UC Berkeley,

1536
01:30:46,410 --> 01:30:51,330
who's like some computer analyst
or, you know, security analyst.

1537
01:30:51,510 --> 01:30:55,710
And he, and he somehow got the
document to this is why the

1538
01:30:55,710 --> 01:30:58,170
government shutdown is an issue
because there's nothing as

1539
01:30:58,170 --> 01:31:01,500
updated on any government
websites past September 30,

1540
01:31:02,100 --> 01:31:05,190
which is conveniently timed. So
we don't really we don't really

1541
01:31:05,190 --> 01:31:08,940
know the office authenticity of
this. Other than that, it looks

1542
01:31:08,940 --> 01:31:11,520
like a typing. Yeah, the other
than that, they look like

1543
01:31:11,520 --> 01:31:14,400
documents that have been typed
up and or printed out and then

1544
01:31:14,400 --> 01:31:15,090
scanned.

1545
01:31:15,780 --> 01:31:18,750
Yeah, yeah, that's a pure
authentic, but you're right. I,

1546
01:31:18,990 --> 01:31:22,350
you know, I couldn't find the
Assistant District Attorney

1547
01:31:22,350 --> 01:31:26,880
anywhere in New York, the name
couldn't find that, you know,

1548
01:31:26,880 --> 01:31:29,700
it's easy to put moss on there.
Because everyone knows moss. But

1549
01:31:29,940 --> 01:31:33,180
that's where it is. They do
press releases for everything.

1550
01:31:33,180 --> 01:31:34,950
They're always out in front of
the cameras, there's always

1551
01:31:34,950 --> 01:31:38,670
something to boast about now.
They're not a $1.2 billion

1552
01:31:39,240 --> 01:31:43,470
marketplace of illegal drugs and
firearms, which is not true.

1553
01:31:44,190 --> 01:31:48,000
There were no firearms on Silk
Road. Not that I could find at

1554
01:31:48,000 --> 01:31:54,540
least and an $80 million take
and and a guy in an apartment.

1555
01:31:55,110 --> 01:32:01,890
What What the We had Bloomberg
in New York, and this was a New

1556
01:32:01,890 --> 01:32:05,250
York indictment or a New York
warrant. Bloomberg in New York,

1557
01:32:05,250 --> 01:32:09,000
he had the biggest hall of guns
every head like No 50 guns on a

1558
01:32:09,000 --> 01:32:12,810
table press conference. Never
that one, we had all the guns

1559
01:32:13,050 --> 01:32:16,650
pointed towards the press, which
was kind of funny. They had it

1560
01:32:16,650 --> 01:32:19,920
on the table with all with the
with the firing and pointed

1561
01:32:19,920 --> 01:32:23,340
towards the audience. There was
like 50 guns, you know, and that

1562
01:32:23,340 --> 01:32:27,660
oh, here comes look at these
guns we got I mean, so let's

1563
01:32:27,660 --> 01:32:31,770
just say it was a was
compromised a long time ago,

1564
01:32:32,400 --> 01:32:36,360
probably the time when it went
off offline for two weeks, they

1565
01:32:36,360 --> 01:32:38,520
brought it back online made it
made it better. And you know,

1566
01:32:38,520 --> 01:32:40,710
everyone's in place. They're
running the run and everything

1567
01:32:40,710 --> 01:32:43,380
that got it all good to go.
Maybe they have to bring in a

1568
01:32:43,380 --> 01:32:46,290
few agents to make them think
like, you know, they're they're

1569
01:32:46,290 --> 01:32:48,360
actually doing something good,
and they're on board with

1570
01:32:48,360 --> 01:32:51,450
something. Meanwhile, it's being
run by the guys who actually run

1571
01:32:51,450 --> 01:32:55,110
the drugs in America, which is
the CIA. Now it's just another

1572
01:32:55,110 --> 01:32:57,900
outlet. The only annoying thing
is they can't get the banks

1573
01:32:57,900 --> 01:33:01,590
involved. So they have to grab
this Bitcoin thing. And they got

1574
01:33:01,590 --> 01:33:05,130
to start shuttling that through
Jamie Dimon. And we got

1575
01:33:05,130 --> 01:33:08,190
everybody had got everyone on
the on board with this thing.

1576
01:33:08,220 --> 01:33:12,030
This is a great way you know,
Sue will have the post office

1577
01:33:12,030 --> 01:33:14,670
will soon be out of business.
They'll shut that down or Bogut

1578
01:33:14,670 --> 01:33:17,970
of circumstances, and they will
make more money by shipping it

1579
01:33:17,970 --> 01:33:21,870
through FedEx. This is gonna be
great. This could save our

1580
01:33:21,900 --> 01:33:25,110
economy, by the way. So I'm not
against it.

1581
01:33:26,910 --> 01:33:29,940
You're not against whether or
not it saves the economy. Let's

1582
01:33:29,940 --> 01:33:30,660
be honest.

1583
01:33:30,960 --> 01:33:34,290
I think I love seeing how this
works. Oh, and by the way, a

1584
01:33:34,350 --> 01:33:37,440
little side note, you also get
to think that you're completely

1585
01:33:37,440 --> 01:33:40,860
secure with your tour and and
all your other stuff.

1586
01:33:42,390 --> 01:33:46,740
Joke's on you, my friend. That's
right. That's right. It'd be

1587
01:33:46,740 --> 01:33:48,930
knocking on your door pretty
soon, although that was 1

1588
01:33:48,930 --> 01:33:51,720
million customers, which is the
number that came out in this

1589
01:33:52,050 --> 01:33:56,640
thing. At least 1 million people
registered. And of course they

1590
01:33:57,000 --> 01:33:57,480
padded.

1591
01:33:57,929 --> 01:34:00,959
Another another thing, I'm sorry
to interrupt another thing. When

1592
01:34:00,959 --> 01:34:05,609
you see Reuters and you see a P
and every single news agency

1593
01:34:05,729 --> 01:34:13,439
writing things like official
said, colon, parenthesis or

1594
01:34:13,919 --> 01:34:19,229
quotes becomes a quote, there
were 995,000 accounts, which is

1595
01:34:19,229 --> 01:34:22,859
literally taken from this
document. They are they did not

1596
01:34:22,859 --> 01:34:27,239
speak to anybody. I did not find
a single new source who spoke to

1597
01:34:27,239 --> 01:34:31,619
someone. The only thing I could
find is they tried to reach the

1598
01:34:31,619 --> 01:34:35,279
public defendant, public
defender who might be defending

1599
01:34:35,279 --> 01:34:41,279
this guy and got no response. So
they're taking quotes out of

1600
01:34:41,279 --> 01:34:44,699
this document and pretending
like the government said that

1601
01:34:45,329 --> 01:34:48,779
instead of saying, as was
written in the complaint, yes,

1602
01:34:48,780 --> 01:34:50,730
that's actually wrong. And

1603
01:34:51,120 --> 01:34:53,370
I saw Reuters do this. Yeah. No,
if

1604
01:34:53,370 --> 01:34:56,700
you're taking from the
indictment, you have to that's

1605
01:34:56,700 --> 01:34:59,370
what you reference. You don't
say public officials anything.

1606
01:34:59,370 --> 01:35:02,100
It was an Indian ate meat that
was that was written it wasn't

1607
01:35:02,100 --> 01:35:05,700
even said like nobody. Nobody
read this out loud and then

1608
01:35:05,700 --> 01:35:09,150
somebody wrote it down. So it
was never sad. Let's take a look

1609
01:35:09,150 --> 01:35:09,270
at

1610
01:35:09,270 --> 01:35:15,270
Reuters I happen to have it
here. What was shut down? Let me

1611
01:35:15,270 --> 01:35:20,850
see if I can find this okay

1612
01:35:24,720 --> 01:35:29,190
okay, so this they do say this
Silk Road has emerged as the

1613
01:35:29,190 --> 01:35:31,860
most sophisticated and extensive
criminal marketplace on the

1614
01:35:31,860 --> 01:35:34,890
internet today FBI agent
Christopher Tarbell said in the

1615
01:35:34,890 --> 01:35:37,950
criminal complaint, so that's
proper. Okay, that's fine,

1616
01:35:37,950 --> 01:35:43,050
Robert. But then they go on to
say, a half pound of hydroponic

1617
01:35:43,050 --> 01:35:47,850
Bud was running about 17.2
Bitcoins. The website included

1618
01:35:47,850 --> 01:35:52,650
13,000 listings for controlled
substances as of September 23.

1619
01:35:52,650 --> 01:35:55,950
And then here, quote, quality is
super best stuff I've seen in a

1620
01:35:55,950 --> 01:36:01,410
while one user reported. Yeah,
but that's in the document. You

1621
01:36:01,410 --> 01:36:04,170
know, I'm saying it's like, be
careful. I think they I don't

1622
01:36:04,170 --> 01:36:05,460
think they did that properly.

1623
01:36:06,300 --> 01:36:09,240
Yeah, well, nothing's done
properly anymore. Let's just

1624
01:36:09,660 --> 01:36:11,700
like we're stunned by any of
this.

1625
01:36:13,980 --> 01:36:16,620
Yeah, anyway, so I got a couple
of

1626
01:36:16,620 --> 01:36:19,440
kids that will, we'll keep we'll
keep we'll keep on this. And

1627
01:36:19,440 --> 01:36:22,470
we'll see what happens with this
this kid. But meanwhile,

1628
01:36:22,470 --> 01:36:28,020
gosh, that led me to frosty
frost that led me to to the Tor

1629
01:36:28,020 --> 01:36:34,230
network and their funding of
$1.3 million. I mean, and where

1630
01:36:34,230 --> 01:36:37,530
it's coming from, from this
entire News Network, which is

1631
01:36:37,530 --> 01:36:42,210
clearly the propaganda arm and
then maybe they're all on the up

1632
01:36:42,210 --> 01:36:44,580
and up, you know, maybe they
really, they really want it

1633
01:36:44,580 --> 01:36:47,730
maybe they need it for their
blog or spy so they don't get

1634
01:36:47,730 --> 01:36:52,290
busted. But this is, this is a
propagandist outfit. And you

1635
01:36:52,290 --> 01:36:55,830
don't just get $56 million in a
year just because you're you're

1636
01:36:55,830 --> 01:37:01,440
doing Lord's work of helping
bloggers bullshit up in blog,

1637
01:37:01,440 --> 01:37:06,270
Lee's please. Bullshit. You're
helping bloggers in Europe pay

1638
01:37:06,270 --> 01:37:10,380
us a million dollars. We need
the freedom of speech in year.

1639
01:37:10,380 --> 01:37:13,710
Well, it's true. That is
actually true. But that's not

1640
01:37:13,710 --> 01:37:17,310
how they're positioning this.
Where we work. They're all over

1641
01:37:17,310 --> 01:37:22,230
the world. Helping bloggers in
Sub Saharan Africa. They have a

1642
01:37:22,230 --> 01:37:25,980
whole speaker's bureau. Yeah, I
see that. We shouldn't be on

1643
01:37:25,980 --> 01:37:29,850
that with guys like Manisha
aural director of the global

1644
01:37:29,850 --> 01:37:34,470
human rights program. Oh, yeah.
And Andrea Bosch, Vice President

1645
01:37:34,470 --> 01:37:39,660
for Asia and environment
languages, right? Oh, no, it's

1646
01:37:39,660 --> 01:37:42,330
the language that she speaks.
Apparently no language. The

1647
01:37:42,360 --> 01:37:46,140
first guy speaks or woman I
guess. speaks English and Nepali

1648
01:37:46,140 --> 01:37:49,680
and Andrea bought Bosch
apparently speaks no languages.

1649
01:37:50,880 --> 01:37:52,590
I did not hire

1650
01:37:52,590 --> 01:37:54,060
her. I'm sorry. I

1651
01:37:55,950 --> 01:38:01,590
Janine Berg goat, the President
and CEO speaks English and

1652
01:38:01,590 --> 01:38:06,870
Russian. So she runs the place.
I never heard any of these

1653
01:38:06,870 --> 01:38:15,600
people by the way. Interesting
group. All right. Well, maybe

1654
01:38:15,600 --> 01:38:18,450
we'll hear from our economic
various economic hitmen to tell

1655
01:38:18,450 --> 01:38:20,280
us what they know about if they
know anything.

1656
01:38:21,720 --> 01:38:25,050
I got an interesting little
economic hitman. Well, actually

1657
01:38:25,050 --> 01:38:28,230
boots on the ground from
Nairobi. Yeah, how's it going? I

1658
01:38:28,230 --> 01:38:32,340
got my guy there. Um, yeah, I
can read this verbatim. Word

1659
01:38:32,340 --> 01:38:37,290
here from investigators is that
the Westgate Mall attackers left

1660
01:38:37,290 --> 01:38:41,580
the building very quickly, via
some sort of service tunnel that

1661
01:38:41,580 --> 01:38:44,550
was unknown to the police in the
army. And this, of course, has

1662
01:38:44,550 --> 01:38:49,680
been in the news, certainly in
the UK. But what we're now

1663
01:38:49,950 --> 01:38:54,300
finding out is that continue to
read. Apparently, they had set

1664
01:38:54,300 --> 01:38:58,260
up some sort of timed weapons
and explosions to make the army

1665
01:38:58,260 --> 01:38:59,940
think they were still there.

1666
01:39:03,360 --> 01:39:06,810
So the army comes in with their
Brocket grenade launchers and

1667
01:39:06,810 --> 01:39:09,750
everything else wrecks the place
probably kills half the people.

1668
01:39:10,740 --> 01:39:16,920
Yes. This of course, is a well
this is not your typical al

1669
01:39:16,920 --> 01:39:22,410
Shabaab thing. There's intent in
this and I'm always going to be

1670
01:39:22,410 --> 01:39:26,040
looking at just making it scary
that they don't have that they

1671
01:39:26,040 --> 01:39:28,980
don't even have a dead body of
one of the so called terrorists

1672
01:39:28,980 --> 01:39:32,130
they don't have that. You know
this, right? They don't have a

1673
01:39:32,130 --> 01:39:32,700
single that's

1674
01:39:32,700 --> 01:39:35,730
fine because they never didn't
shoot any of them. And by

1675
01:39:35,730 --> 01:39:39,360
the way, I see all these
pictures in the mall. I see very

1676
01:39:39,360 --> 01:39:41,460
little blood for all these dead
people.

1677
01:39:42,450 --> 01:39:45,720
I saw a series of pictures in a
European public house with lots

1678
01:39:45,720 --> 01:39:47,880
of blood. So I think that's the
inside

1679
01:39:47,880 --> 01:39:54,210
or outside inside. All right.
Well, I still think that if

1680
01:39:54,210 --> 01:39:58,920
anything, if anything, there
were some there were some fake

1681
01:39:58,920 --> 01:40:02,250
photos. I think the daily Mail
published, it could be a mistake

1682
01:40:02,250 --> 01:40:06,570
but they published a photo of
like a terrorist and you know,

1683
01:40:06,570 --> 01:40:09,810
people, there was the same
person shot it and you know, it

1684
01:40:09,810 --> 01:40:13,260
was it was actually a picture of
a bank heist in the US from,

1685
01:40:13,740 --> 01:40:15,570
like, 97 or something. Yeah,

1686
01:40:15,570 --> 01:40:18,540
these this is, this is the
problem. The news media is just

1687
01:40:18,540 --> 01:40:21,480
terrible. They can't seem to
manage their own job.

1688
01:40:22,320 --> 01:40:25,740
Meanwhile, we know we've got
guys in Kenya telling us exactly

1689
01:40:25,740 --> 01:40:29,250
what's going on. Oh, you know,
what? Could I please get a

1690
01:40:29,250 --> 01:40:31,080
million dollars from interviews?

1691
01:40:31,500 --> 01:40:33,630
Yeah, you're not gonna get a
nickel from interviews? I can

1692
01:40:33,630 --> 01:40:34,500
tell you right now.

1693
01:40:34,620 --> 01:40:39,300
Yeah, yeah, well, that's kind of
par for the course John. I'm

1694
01:40:39,300 --> 01:40:42,750
gonna show my school by donating
to no agenda Imagine all the

1695
01:40:42,840 --> 01:40:45,180
people who could do that. Oh
yeah, that'd be fun

1696
01:40:53,070 --> 01:40:56,160
I think we can actually read
some of the notes today since so

1697
01:40:56,160 --> 01:40:59,880
little the list is so short you
know we can just read some notes

1698
01:41:00,090 --> 01:41:00,420
Yeah, I

1699
01:41:00,420 --> 01:41:03,870
got a couple of notes are read
you can have one of them you can

1700
01:41:03,870 --> 01:41:08,010
do read as I read the notes as I
go along the side at the left

1701
01:41:08,010 --> 01:41:10,650
and then you can look on the
right Oh, that's a good Kindle

1702
01:41:10,650 --> 01:41:14,310
powers in Sparta North New
Jersey for example has 150 bucks

1703
01:41:14,310 --> 01:41:17,880
and said I've been wanting to
donate more than $4 a week and

1704
01:41:17,880 --> 01:41:21,960
after working 105 hours a week
for the last month I can I'm no

1705
01:41:21,960 --> 01:41:25,080
I'm no night but I can I please
get a douche bag for Chris

1706
01:41:25,080 --> 01:41:30,300
Christie. Yes. And some not
losing my job karma after some

1707
01:41:30,300 --> 01:41:34,500
not losing my job karma after a
recent DUI with mandatory seven

1708
01:41:34,500 --> 01:41:37,770
month loss of license, I need my
license for my job. The state

1709
01:41:37,770 --> 01:41:41,490
doesn't care. New Jersey offers
no provisional license. So this

1710
01:41:41,490 --> 01:41:48,120
may be my last donation for a
while. Oh, needs a little karma

1711
01:41:48,120 --> 01:41:56,580
job. Absolutely. You've got
karma. Russel RAM in Spearfish

1712
01:41:56,610 --> 01:41:59,220
South Dakota, which is a great
name for a town came with

1713
01:41:59,220 --> 01:42:04,560
$111.11 Great name for town is
one I'd like to I'd like these

1714
01:42:04,560 --> 01:42:07,080
town names and my favorite town
name of all time, which I've

1715
01:42:07,080 --> 01:42:13,140
actually driven through his gnaw
bone, Indiana. Yeah, yeah. Isaac

1716
01:42:13,140 --> 01:42:18,810
Chase $100 from Colorado
Springs. He's got a juicy porn

1717
01:42:18,810 --> 01:42:23,550
story. Your show is too good for
me to continue to stiffed you

1718
01:42:23,550 --> 01:42:28,530
guys. Thanks to you guys. I no
longer believe I am crazy. And I

1719
01:42:28,530 --> 01:42:31,260
can confidently go off my
pharmaceutical meds and stick to

1720
01:42:31,260 --> 01:42:34,680
just hookers and blow like a
deep douching and a douchebag

1721
01:42:34,680 --> 01:42:39,150
call it for my brother Josh. Who
hit me in the mouth a couple of

1722
01:42:39,150 --> 01:42:43,950
months ago and is still not
donated. Oh no. Let me do it.

1723
01:42:44,190 --> 01:42:50,190
You've been D deuced. That's no
good. And it goes on with some

1724
01:42:50,190 --> 01:42:52,050
other stuff. That's kind of
interesting. Here we read it.

1725
01:42:52,650 --> 01:42:57,330
Sir Brian Barrow in my favorite
town of all time Wootton Bassett

1726
01:42:58,380 --> 01:43:00,720
and he came in with an
interesting amount of money that

1727
01:43:00,720 --> 01:43:10,050
deserves a jingle oh, we're
there already. Okay, well, yeah.

1728
01:43:10,920 --> 01:43:15,540
David carry 6969 Sam Manor and
boxhill South Victoria,

1729
01:43:15,630 --> 01:43:22,050
Australia. 6969. Edwards s Hines
in Jacksonville, Florida. 6969

1730
01:43:22,050 --> 01:43:25,830
And that closes the segment with
four Wow means this thing's

1731
01:43:25,830 --> 01:43:32,040
gonna gonna last that long this
second round. 16 I did. Stop

1732
01:43:32,040 --> 01:43:34,770
playing the jingle when this
when this little streak is over.

1733
01:43:34,800 --> 01:43:39,510
Okay. Matthew Stevens in here we
have some 6666 well wishes for a

1734
01:43:39,510 --> 01:43:43,170
sixth anniversary. And we have a
birthday call out from Matthew

1735
01:43:43,170 --> 01:43:48,390
Stevens. 6666 in north north
Richland Hills, Texas. Sam long

1736
01:43:48,420 --> 01:43:53,790
in Toronto, our buddy who's
never sure to get he's a he's

1737
01:43:53,790 --> 01:44:00,150
the Baron of the Great Lakes in
Toronto. Sir Bill Bauman in bow

1738
01:44:00,150 --> 01:44:04,380
is at Bowman Bowman or Bowman. I
can't remember may but he's in

1739
01:44:04,380 --> 01:44:12,000
this town port. He went to me
you gotta keep looking that up.

1740
01:44:12,150 --> 01:44:17,520
Yeah, who is Hoon it's look it
up enemy. Is it enemy? It's not

1741
01:44:17,520 --> 01:44:19,020
him. It's who who do we

1742
01:44:20,400 --> 01:44:21,390
want to enemy? I don't

1743
01:44:21,420 --> 01:44:24,240
mind the land and Sir Michael I
believe in Burbank, California.

1744
01:44:24,240 --> 01:44:29,310
Chad should know and Hurst,
Texas. And finally David Bierce.

1745
01:44:29,310 --> 01:44:30,870
in Altoona, Iowa. And

1746
01:44:30,870 --> 01:44:33,480
these are all our sack of sixes
sixes.

1747
01:44:33,719 --> 01:44:39,329
We have 1234 $50 donors and
that's all we got. Aiden Clark

1748
01:44:39,329 --> 01:44:44,249
and Queensland, the Carroll
Baron and mom Malmo, Sweden.

1749
01:44:45,059 --> 01:44:48,749
Great. We need some reports from
you, by the way. Yes. Greg

1750
01:44:48,749 --> 01:44:52,349
Bronson in Kenosha, Wisconsin
and Michael Mendell in

1751
01:44:52,349 --> 01:44:54,839
Bethlehem, Pennsylvania. I do
have a handwritten note because

1752
01:44:54,839 --> 01:44:59,609
he sent in a check. And as soon
as anything on here, check,

1753
01:44:59,609 --> 01:45:04,829
check Write your note. No fell
to the ground. So if you send in

1754
01:45:04,829 --> 01:45:08,549
a checkout read these notes. No
one can hold out forever years

1755
01:45:08,549 --> 01:45:12,149
of relentless hounding, finally
paid off. Here's my first check.

1756
01:45:12,509 --> 01:45:15,599
Hopefully not my last. I have
loved your show from way back

1757
01:45:15,599 --> 01:45:17,849
near the beginning wish I could
listen to the beginning to the

1758
01:45:17,849 --> 01:45:21,719
end twice a week, but I'm too
busy wasting time. Thanks for

1759
01:45:21,719 --> 01:45:24,209
putting in all the work.
Although I believe you are too

1760
01:45:24,209 --> 01:45:27,869
dangerous to too many entrenched
institutions to become popular

1761
01:45:27,869 --> 01:45:31,739
in the mainstream. You will
develop an ever loyal following

1762
01:45:31,739 --> 01:45:35,759
of enlightened listeners,
someday somebody big and well

1763
01:45:35,759 --> 01:45:38,729
known is going to refer to your
prescients in the national

1764
01:45:38,729 --> 01:45:43,619
median all hell will break
loose. Thank you. Thank you.

1765
01:45:44,339 --> 01:45:47,429
Until that day, I remain your
faithful serf.

1766
01:45:50,160 --> 01:45:52,050
That's a nice letter. I love
that. Thank you.

1767
01:45:52,350 --> 01:45:55,530
Yeah. Yeah. And that's right.
Most counts. And that's all we

1768
01:45:55,530 --> 01:45:57,060
got. Yeah. Thank you.

1769
01:45:57,090 --> 01:46:00,330
Okay. Well, thank you. Thank you
government. Thank you furlough.

1770
01:46:01,680 --> 01:46:03,330
I think it's a combination.

1771
01:46:03,810 --> 01:46:06,000
That could be I'm sure we lost
some money because of the

1772
01:46:06,000 --> 01:46:09,300
furloughs. I mean, you at the
time you get kicked out of your

1773
01:46:09,300 --> 01:46:11,160
job, you don't know if you're
gonna get the back pay or not.

1774
01:46:11,160 --> 01:46:13,920
That's the problem. And which
means you will, by the way, but

1775
01:46:13,920 --> 01:46:15,990
when they get the back pay will
be like a paid vacation, we

1776
01:46:15,990 --> 01:46:20,220
should get a nice donation from
them. If it happens, that is

1777
01:46:20,220 --> 01:46:22,350
happened all the time in the
past every time this is not a

1778
01:46:22,350 --> 01:46:23,220
new thing. Now

1779
01:46:23,220 --> 01:46:29,520
I know. I know. I know. I know.
I know. But kind of going back

1780
01:46:29,520 --> 01:46:30,540
to my original

1781
01:46:31,620 --> 01:46:33,180
question, quiet, you know what
you're gonna do? I know they're

1782
01:46:33,180 --> 01:46:35,160
gonna do, you're gonna give them
their back pay, but they're

1783
01:46:35,160 --> 01:46:40,470
gonna make the post office pay
for it. People out there. That's

1784
01:46:40,470 --> 01:46:41,040
hilarious.

1785
01:46:41,700 --> 01:46:46,110
But if you listen to two other
alternative media sources, you

1786
01:46:46,110 --> 01:46:50,160
will hear a lot of this is by
design. They're gonna bring it

1787
01:46:50,160 --> 01:46:54,150
down, bring down the whole
economy. I'm gonna kill us. Is

1788
01:46:54,150 --> 01:46:55,740
there any anything to that? Do
you think?

1789
01:46:56,190 --> 01:47:04,800
No, of course not. No, no.
There's nothing to it. This is

1790
01:47:04,800 --> 01:47:08,250
just a big bunch of political
bullcrap. Guys are playing, you

1791
01:47:08,250 --> 01:47:10,980
know, playing some you we don't
even know what what's behind it

1792
01:47:10,980 --> 01:47:13,170
all. I think a lot of it still
has to do there was a for

1793
01:47:13,410 --> 01:47:16,560
frontline that was about this
particular episode, when the

1794
01:47:16,560 --> 01:47:20,070
last time came around for the
debt ceiling argument. Boehner

1795
01:47:20,070 --> 01:47:22,380
and this was on frontline. And
they had the whole thing

1796
01:47:22,380 --> 01:47:26,700
document. It's gorgeous.
Frontline Boehner and Obama made

1797
01:47:26,700 --> 01:47:30,750
a deal. Obama, they were going
to agree to something and Obama

1798
01:47:30,750 --> 01:47:34,440
has said you just have to get
your guys to get on board and

1799
01:47:34,440 --> 01:47:39,600
I'm in on this and handshake the
whole thing. Boehner went

1800
01:47:39,600 --> 01:47:42,150
through a lot of trouble to get
everybody to vote his way so

1801
01:47:42,150 --> 01:47:44,970
they could finish this deal off.
And then Obama reneged on at the

1802
01:47:44,970 --> 01:47:47,970
very last minute and says Now
screw you. We don't care. And

1803
01:47:48,000 --> 01:47:50,460
Boehner just thought that was
the worst possible thing that

1804
01:47:50,460 --> 01:47:53,220
could ever happen. It wasn't a
humiliation because he went

1805
01:47:53,220 --> 01:47:56,460
through all this trouble for
Obama. And he got he got

1806
01:47:56,460 --> 01:48:00,510
stiffed, and Boehner is behind
most of this that you're seeing

1807
01:48:00,510 --> 01:48:03,660
happen here because this is the
pay back to just make Obama

1808
01:48:03,660 --> 01:48:04,380
sweat.

1809
01:48:04,800 --> 01:48:08,520
All right. I'm sorry. I asked
because I just I don't care. I

1810
01:48:08,520 --> 01:48:08,670
know

1811
01:48:08,670 --> 01:48:11,250
you don't care about people.
There's people listening that do

1812
01:48:11,250 --> 01:48:12,900
care. Dig up that old front.

1813
01:48:13,530 --> 01:48:17,460
There's some kind of fiber cut
somewhere. So the stream is a

1814
01:48:17,460 --> 01:48:21,390
route. It's been almost all
fiber. Oh, yeah, we're the

1815
01:48:21,390 --> 01:48:24,570
stream. I'm trying to send this
to me. We're being routed

1816
01:48:24,570 --> 01:48:25,230
through Europe.

1817
01:48:26,310 --> 01:48:27,690
To me, no,

1818
01:48:27,690 --> 01:48:29,730
I'm listening. I'm just I just
choose not to pay

1819
01:48:29,730 --> 01:48:33,300
attention. And we got I got some
that'll wake you up. No,

1820
01:48:33,330 --> 01:48:35,430
there's a couple things we
typically do. I know the

1821
01:48:35,430 --> 01:48:38,790
donation segment was short, but
first we always tell people help

1822
01:48:38,820 --> 01:48:41,580
us support this show. We're
doing the work you need to

1823
01:48:41,580 --> 01:48:46,920
support us at boruch.org/and.
Then of course we have birthday

1824
01:48:46,950 --> 01:48:55,080
one birthday. Just one actually,
I was wrong. Matthew Stevens

1825
01:48:55,410 --> 01:48:58,890
says Happy Birthday to his kids
Gabriel and erielle. So that's

1826
01:48:58,890 --> 01:49:02,790
actually two in one but that's
all happy birthday from your

1827
01:49:02,790 --> 01:49:08,910
buddies here is the best podcast
in the universe. No 90s Of

1828
01:49:08,910 --> 01:49:13,080
course, but Sir Alan Bean does
get his Baronet today as his

1829
01:49:13,080 --> 01:49:16,530
second knighthood is in the bag
and we congratulate him on that

1830
01:49:16,530 --> 01:49:19,470
please support us people. This
is a been a very this is a

1831
01:49:19,470 --> 01:49:21,870
troubling, troubling for us.

1832
01:49:21,930 --> 01:49:24,780
Yeah. Alan being is like there's
a number of people that do this.

1833
01:49:24,780 --> 01:49:27,660
They have they send checks and
many to do it through the

1834
01:49:27,660 --> 01:49:31,710
banking system. Right. And he
sends in $50 a month.

1835
01:49:32,160 --> 01:49:35,400
Yeah. And and he skis up to his
second knighthood. He's been he

1836
01:49:35,400 --> 01:49:39,030
said, When he started his little
program was sending $50 a month,

1837
01:49:39,570 --> 01:49:42,660
which are handwritten checks. He
doesn't go through a bank. He

1838
01:49:42,660 --> 01:49:46,440
doesn't he said, as long as the
show is good. You're getting the

1839
01:49:46,440 --> 01:49:51,420
$50 And so we've been getting
like $50 ever since. Just do a

1840
01:49:51,420 --> 01:49:54,360
Baronet so far. He'll probably
get to Duke if he keeps us up.

1841
01:49:54,900 --> 01:49:55,200
Oh, yeah,

1842
01:49:55,200 --> 01:49:59,340
no, we'll definitely get there.
Definitely. I was going to I was

1843
01:49:59,340 --> 01:50:05,790
gonna you know Um, hold on a
second. Stop typing in the chat.

1844
01:50:05,790 --> 01:50:09,660
I'm trying to copy that IP
address. That's funny. I'm

1845
01:50:09,660 --> 01:50:14,160
trying to I'm trying to help
with the live stream. Yeah. And

1846
01:50:14,190 --> 01:50:18,000
they want me to try and get on
some other thing. Hold on one

1847
01:50:18,000 --> 01:50:24,330
second. So I got an email from
our limoncello, baby. Yeah, at

1848
01:50:24,330 --> 01:50:27,720
least Garling. Yeah, at least a
really long, really beautiful

1849
01:50:27,720 --> 01:50:30,720
email. And she talked about her
mom and stuff, you know, we'd

1850
01:50:30,720 --> 01:50:33,480
communicate a little bit. And
her whole family they know

1851
01:50:33,480 --> 01:50:36,720
they're all family. They've been
brothers and her buddies and her

1852
01:50:36,720 --> 01:50:39,180
boyfriends and God know,
everyone's been so supportive.

1853
01:50:39,180 --> 01:50:42,570
The show was really beautiful.
But there's one one little

1854
01:50:42,600 --> 01:50:45,150
paragraph in the email that just
thought I had to share with

1855
01:50:45,150 --> 01:50:48,210
you. Share it share. All right,

1856
01:50:48,360 --> 01:50:52,830
I hung out with you and JC D
hard a few nights this summer in

1857
01:50:52,830 --> 01:50:53,790
my dreams.

1858
01:50:59,190 --> 01:51:07,020
It was good, fun. Finish. I'm
telling ya, when I read this,

1859
01:51:07,200 --> 01:51:11,400
just that line alone to me was
like that's very weirdly sexual.

1860
01:51:12,270 --> 01:51:16,800
I hung out with you and JCD hard
a few nights this summer in my

1861
01:51:16,800 --> 01:51:21,780
dreams. It was good fun. A fire
truck full of hot chicks drove

1862
01:51:21,780 --> 01:51:25,410
by us as we were all in a car
together. The two of you were

1863
01:51:25,410 --> 01:51:29,370
doing the show live. It was we
were cruising around. They were

1864
01:51:29,370 --> 01:51:32,100
listening to the show live and
we're freaking out as they

1865
01:51:32,100 --> 01:51:35,850
realized who it was. They were
just passing. It was hilarious.

1866
01:51:40,170 --> 01:51:43,980
If you have any dreams like
that, please send them to me.

1867
01:51:44,490 --> 01:51:49,290
Yeah, he needs entertainment.
Send him something stuck there

1868
01:51:49,290 --> 01:51:55,410
in Austin. So in town on the
28th just recently was the being

1869
01:51:55,440 --> 01:51:59,880
human 2013. What I guess annual
conference.

1870
01:51:59,910 --> 01:52:03,360
What is this a transhumanist
thing? Ya know?

1871
01:52:03,389 --> 01:52:06,809
So you got it. Yeah. You gotta
go to the website just to look

1872
01:52:06,809 --> 01:52:09,359
at these douchebags. And you'd
listen to these guys being

1873
01:52:09,359 --> 01:52:16,079
human.org. And there I got a
little bit of one woman who's

1874
01:52:16,079 --> 01:52:18,629
there and you got to check this
woman out. Would you look at the

1875
01:52:18,629 --> 01:52:20,639
website first and then you have
to look up to one of the

1876
01:52:20,639 --> 01:52:22,409
speakers. That was the keynote.
Oh.

1877
01:52:23,700 --> 01:52:27,270
Just just the the the front page
this woman? Is that what you're

1878
01:52:27,270 --> 01:52:27,990
talking about? Who's

1879
01:52:28,500 --> 01:52:31,590
not the biological
anthropologist? The one that's

1880
01:52:31,590 --> 01:52:34,260
funny, are you and you have to
look her up to realize how funny

1881
01:52:34,260 --> 01:52:37,890
it is. Because she has a wiki
pages and Natasha Vita more.

1882
01:52:39,000 --> 01:52:41,550
Natasha Valda more vitae more.

1883
01:52:42,300 --> 01:52:44,010
And you guys see what her name
is spelled.

1884
01:52:44,370 --> 01:52:54,030
Okay. And this is luminaries.
Who's a luminary. So Polsky,

1885
01:52:55,290 --> 01:52:58,200
look it up. You got to see the
Wikipedia page.

1886
01:52:58,260 --> 01:52:59,220
What's her name again?

1887
01:52:59,430 --> 01:53:08,670
Natasha. Natasha Vita VAT a
more. Okay, she hot. She's,

1888
01:53:08,730 --> 01:53:11,370
oh, she's kind of weirdly MILFy

1889
01:53:11,879 --> 01:53:15,209
is she's old too. So but she
hadn't

1890
01:53:15,210 --> 01:53:16,890
clicked on the picture yet. But
thanks.

1891
01:53:17,250 --> 01:53:22,110
But she did you look at her
name. Your real name is Susan

1892
01:53:22,170 --> 01:53:26,190
Jones or something. But she's
got this name vitae more. And

1893
01:53:26,460 --> 01:53:29,070
it's hyphenated as vitae,

1894
01:53:29,400 --> 01:53:33,690
more dash. She is currently
chairman of the board of

1895
01:53:33,690 --> 01:53:37,590
directors of humanity. She is
the designer and author of primo

1896
01:53:37,590 --> 01:53:41,130
post-human. I think she is
already opposed to him and just

1897
01:53:41,130 --> 01:53:42,000
looking at her picture.

1898
01:53:42,030 --> 01:53:45,000
Well, you can listen to the kind
of chit chat she has by playing

1899
01:53:45,000 --> 01:53:46,980
the clip trans human event

1900
01:53:47,040 --> 01:53:52,380
if you by the way, if you go to
natasha.cc That's her website.

1901
01:53:53,010 --> 01:53:57,810
She lives in real vampy there.
Alright, transhuman event,

1902
01:53:57,810 --> 01:53:58,830
that's what you want me to play?
Yeah.

1903
01:53:58,860 --> 01:54:00,450
Number one, this

1904
01:54:00,480 --> 01:54:04,800
area is all about what could
become a human nature.

1905
01:54:05,520 --> 01:54:09,120
Certainly, we would contain many
of the values the experiences

1906
01:54:09,120 --> 01:54:13,200
that we have as biological
animals. But looking beyond

1907
01:54:13,200 --> 01:54:16,680
that, whereas digitality
electronics interface with us

1908
01:54:16,680 --> 01:54:19,770
through human machine
interaction, what could we

1909
01:54:19,770 --> 01:54:24,840
become with this type of a
miscibility transparency? almost

1910
01:54:24,840 --> 01:54:28,980
indistinguishable invisibility
of technology?

1911
01:54:29,009 --> 01:54:32,609
Wow, wow, hold on. It's a slash
my wrist right now.

1912
01:54:33,180 --> 01:54:37,860
I knew you'd like wow,
invisibility transparency

1913
01:54:37,860 --> 01:54:38,910
technology,

1914
01:54:38,940 --> 01:54:43,050
New York Times 2008 calls her
the first female philosopher of

1915
01:54:43,050 --> 01:54:44,370
transhumanism.

1916
01:54:44,400 --> 01:54:51,030
There's your philosophy you just
heard it. Oh, wow. She went on

1917
01:54:51,030 --> 01:54:53,940
for like an hour with this kind
of gibberish and there's another

1918
01:54:53,940 --> 01:54:55,350
I have a second part which is

1919
01:54:55,350 --> 01:54:57,960
more of this please more of us
won't be that good.

1920
01:54:58,410 --> 01:55:01,560
All around us. It has become
part If us, and we'll we'll have

1921
01:55:01,560 --> 01:55:05,340
many different issues about
ethics and who we might become.

1922
01:55:05,730 --> 01:55:09,930
But the bottom line of it all is
what is the future of human

1923
01:55:09,930 --> 01:55:11,460
enhancement? Where are we going?

1924
01:55:12,540 --> 01:55:17,070
I have an enhancement, I want to
show you miss Vita more who want

1925
01:55:17,250 --> 01:55:17,760
to come.

1926
01:55:18,660 --> 01:55:22,590
I look at it from two
perspectives. Number one is life

1927
01:55:22,590 --> 01:55:26,940
expansion, taking the notion of
life extension, looking beyond

1928
01:55:26,970 --> 01:55:30,150
our limitation of biology, which
for the human animal is

1929
01:55:30,150 --> 01:55:34,800
approximately 120 to 123 years,
just counting what we might

1930
01:55:34,800 --> 01:55:38,430
become through the
implementation of design. Now,

1931
01:55:38,430 --> 01:55:41,490
one of the most interesting
innate characteristics of human

1932
01:55:41,490 --> 01:55:46,380
to me is our love of
exploration, and our ability to

1933
01:55:46,380 --> 01:55:50,340
innovate. We're inventors, we
love to problem solve. And that

1934
01:55:50,340 --> 01:55:53,250
ties very neatly into design.
Because design, as you know, is

1935
01:55:53,250 --> 01:55:56,580
an iterative process. We're
constantly reforming remaking

1936
01:55:56,580 --> 01:55:58,890
our concepts, so that they're
not only

1937
01:55:59,490 --> 01:56:04,230
you have to look for Yeah, yeah,
sure. So. So she was a

1938
01:56:04,230 --> 01:56:08,760
performance artist before she
became a still is in theater,

1939
01:56:08,850 --> 01:56:13,230
film and video. Let's see her
I'm looking at her website since

1940
01:56:13,230 --> 01:56:16,650
the 1980s. I have focused on
human technology integration,

1941
01:56:16,860 --> 01:56:20,460
and the relationship between
arts and design and science. My

1942
01:56:20,460 --> 01:56:23,220
theoretical activity is
concerned with human enhancement

1943
01:56:23,220 --> 01:56:25,410
and the methods for extending
and expanding human

1944
01:56:25,410 --> 01:56:30,300
capabilities. Oh my god. Yeah,
it's this this is a a

1945
01:56:30,330 --> 01:56:37,800
coincidental I would say, as we
learned today, that 23 and me

1946
01:56:38,460 --> 01:56:42,870
the you know, the swab genetic
swab your blacks send us your

1947
01:56:42,900 --> 01:56:47,910
your your DNA, but they have
received a patent for the

1948
01:56:47,910 --> 01:56:49,830
creation of designer babies.

1949
01:56:52,950 --> 01:56:54,270
As discussed, the system

1950
01:56:54,270 --> 01:56:56,760
according to the pattern can be
used to identify a preferred

1951
01:56:56,760 --> 01:56:59,790
donor among the plurality of
donors based on genetic

1952
01:56:59,790 --> 01:57:03,930
information. A woman undergoing
in vitro fertilization, using a

1953
01:57:03,930 --> 01:57:07,290
sperm donor, for example, could
ask 23 me to crunch numbers on

1954
01:57:07,290 --> 01:57:10,860
her own genetic profile, and
those various donors, and then

1955
01:57:10,860 --> 01:57:14,430
recommend a donor who would most
likely yield a child with the

1956
01:57:14,430 --> 01:57:15,660
traits she desires.

1957
01:57:15,690 --> 01:57:18,210
Why don't we just go back to
Nazi Germany and get it over

1958
01:57:18,210 --> 01:57:22,890
with this is eugenics? Well,
first of all, stuff of the 20s

1959
01:57:22,920 --> 01:57:23,790
Okay, well, thank

1960
01:57:23,790 --> 01:57:27,570
you very much for taking me
right there. Because I have in

1961
01:57:27,570 --> 01:57:32,010
the shownotes, a specialty for
everybody. First of all, you

1962
01:57:32,010 --> 01:57:36,360
will find the folder called
eugenics. We've just decided to

1963
01:57:36,360 --> 01:57:40,950
name it that and in the
eugenics, you will find a PDF of

1964
01:57:40,950 --> 01:57:47,490
a book. And this book is titled,
eugenic sterilization in the

1965
01:57:47,490 --> 01:57:51,180
United States a report of the
psychopathic laboratory of the

1966
01:57:51,180 --> 01:57:56,700
Municipal Court of Chicago,
written by Harry H. Loughlin.

1967
01:57:57,540 --> 01:58:01,560
And Harry H. Loughlin was
Assistant Director of the

1968
01:58:01,560 --> 01:58:04,950
Eugenics Record Office, Carnegie
Institution of Washington, I

1969
01:58:04,950 --> 01:58:08,160
guess, from the Carnegie family,
the Carnegie Hall, the Carnegie

1970
01:58:08,160 --> 01:58:13,740
Institute, and, and eugenics
associate of the psycho Pathik

1971
01:58:13,740 --> 01:58:17,160
laboratory. And I go path is the
right word. And there's a

1972
01:58:17,160 --> 01:58:23,490
foreword written by Harry Olson,
Chief Justice in Chicago at the

1973
01:58:23,490 --> 01:58:28,590
time. And I figured it might be
this 500 pages, so you can just

1974
01:58:28,590 --> 01:58:32,130
grab this thing. It's from the
20s. I figured maybe fun to just

1975
01:58:32,130 --> 01:58:33,510
read a little bit of the
introduction.

1976
01:58:34,290 --> 01:58:37,710
Go for it. You have another
reading from Adam Kirsch, we had

1977
01:58:37,710 --> 01:58:39,270
another read. Hang in there.

1978
01:58:39,990 --> 01:58:42,690
I'm Dr. Harry H. Loughlin,
eugenics associate of the

1979
01:58:42,690 --> 01:58:45,360
psychopathic laboratory at the
Municipal Court of Chicago and

1980
01:58:45,360 --> 01:58:48,930
eugenics, Director of Carnegie
Institute of Washington has

1981
01:58:48,930 --> 01:58:51,930
rendered the nation a signal, a
signal service in the

1982
01:58:51,930 --> 01:58:54,840
preparation of this work,
eugenic sterilization in the

1983
01:58:54,840 --> 01:58:55,680
United States.

1984
01:58:55,800 --> 01:58:58,710
Would you like me to play a
little of the Yes, yes.

1985
01:58:59,219 --> 01:59:03,779
I'd like you to do the lower
tones though. Okay. All right. A

1986
01:59:03,779 --> 01:59:08,069
little slow, but make it slow.
Since the rediscovery of

1987
01:59:08,069 --> 01:59:11,549
Mendel's Law of heredity and the
recent advances made by

1988
01:59:11,579 --> 01:59:15,959
biologists and psycho Pathak
pathologist in respect to the

1989
01:59:15,959 --> 01:59:19,049
causes of mental stop, it's not
going to work. It's not working

1990
01:59:19,049 --> 01:59:24,149
for me. I need you to listen, I
need you to listen. Since the

1991
01:59:24,149 --> 01:59:27,449
rediscovery of Mendel's Law of
heredity and the recent advances

1992
01:59:27,449 --> 01:59:30,599
made by the biologists and
psycho pathologist in respect to

1993
01:59:30,599 --> 01:59:33,389
the causes of mental and
physical defects in the human

1994
01:59:33,389 --> 01:59:36,869
race, with the consequent
revelation of the great role

1995
01:59:36,869 --> 01:59:40,019
played by heredity as a
producing cause the science of

1996
01:59:40,019 --> 01:59:43,889
eugenics has become a vital
importance. America in

1997
01:59:43,889 --> 01:59:46,889
particular needs to protect
herself against indiscriminate

1998
01:59:46,889 --> 01:59:51,779
immigration, criminal
degenerates and race suicide is

1999
01:59:51,779 --> 01:59:56,999
from a chief justice of Chicago.
Chief Justice. Yeah. I'm jumping

2000
01:59:56,999 --> 02:00:01,049
around here to America the
success of DOMA accuracy depends

2001
02:00:01,049 --> 02:00:04,529
on democracy, John depends upon
the quality of its individual

2002
02:00:04,529 --> 02:00:08,129
elements, if in these elements
that racial values are high

2003
02:00:08,429 --> 02:00:11,489
government will be equal to all
the economic, educational,

2004
02:00:11,489 --> 02:00:14,549
religious, scientific demands of
the times, If on the contrary,

2005
02:00:14,729 --> 02:00:18,149
there is a constant and
progressive racial degeneracy.

2006
02:00:18,539 --> 02:00:21,809
It is only a question of time
when popular self government

2007
02:00:21,809 --> 02:00:25,619
will be impossible and will be
succeeded by chaos. And finally,

2008
02:00:25,679 --> 02:00:33,239
a dictatorship. Hello, 2013.
These guys were on the money.

2009
02:00:36,059 --> 02:00:41,189
It's true. It was right. Like
the Unabomber was right, these

2010
02:00:41,189 --> 02:00:43,559
guys were right. And we screwed
it up. We should have been

2011
02:00:43,559 --> 02:00:48,269
killing people. This is a great
book. It is it is hilarious from

2012
02:00:48,269 --> 02:00:52,049
beginning it's hilarious
already, from beginning to

2013
02:00:52,080 --> 02:00:54,750
end. You can you can take that
PDF file and put it on your

2014
02:00:54,750 --> 02:00:56,640
Kindle. And you can read that
book casually.

2015
02:00:58,170 --> 02:01:01,350
I wouldn't drop it. Don't let
anyone see where it says kill

2016
02:01:01,350 --> 02:01:02,280
all the negros

2017
02:01:02,310 --> 02:01:05,730
this essentially what that's
about Yeah,

2018
02:01:06,030 --> 02:01:08,310
but also if you're invalid, you
know, this is where the word

2019
02:01:08,310 --> 02:01:10,980
invalid comes from. You're
invalid. You're not You're not

2020
02:01:10,980 --> 02:01:11,370
valid.

2021
02:01:11,400 --> 02:01:13,140
You gotta win valid,

2022
02:01:13,170 --> 02:01:15,780
you got it? Yeah, you gotta you
gotta do a wooden leg or some

2023
02:01:15,810 --> 02:01:18,870
something like that. Now, I also
one of our producers, producer,

2024
02:01:18,870 --> 02:01:26,190
Brian did a fantastic job. On a
Melinda Gates video. I pulled

2025
02:01:26,190 --> 02:01:27,120
those clips if you

2026
02:01:27,120 --> 02:01:29,880
think we should pull them. But I
know that I don't want to play

2027
02:01:29,880 --> 02:01:32,970
all of them. But I think that
reading his note and then

2028
02:01:32,970 --> 02:01:36,660
playing the pertinent clips,
yes, would be I think,

2029
02:01:36,840 --> 02:01:37,590
worthwhile.

2030
02:01:37,890 --> 02:01:41,010
Well, that's exactly what I
thought we would do. So let me

2031
02:01:41,250 --> 02:01:43,410
open up his note here.

2032
02:01:44,370 --> 02:01:47,730
And by the way, this is a good
example of a very our, our

2033
02:01:47,730 --> 02:01:51,900
listener supporters and
producers being able to use the

2034
02:01:51,900 --> 02:01:55,350
techniques that we promote,
which is the deconstruction of,

2035
02:01:55,560 --> 02:01:57,960
in other words, looking for the
hidden meanings, finding some

2036
02:01:57,990 --> 02:02:05,100
some that you're the the flubs
and the truth of people, as

2037
02:02:05,100 --> 02:02:07,590
we've discussed before, and
other people who say it, you

2038
02:02:07,590 --> 02:02:11,280
can't not tell the truth. Yeah,
at some point, it comes out. And

2039
02:02:11,310 --> 02:02:14,970
essentially you just dig for it
in the hidden our producer here

2040
02:02:14,970 --> 02:02:16,980
did a really good job of finding
a little gem.

2041
02:02:17,010 --> 02:02:20,220
Yeah. So this is Brian. And I
don't know if he wants his last

2042
02:02:20,220 --> 02:02:22,650
name mentioned. So I'll just say
it was producer, Brian and

2043
02:02:22,650 --> 02:02:27,300
Lance. And he grabbed the and
we've played this before. I know

2044
02:02:27,300 --> 02:02:30,060
we have played pieces of this a
long time ago on the show. This

2045
02:02:30,060 --> 02:02:34,440
is Bill's wife, Melinda Gates.
And she's doing she does a TED

2046
02:02:34,440 --> 02:02:39,750
talk. And it's, it's all about,
you know, the the Gates

2047
02:02:39,750 --> 02:02:44,280
Foundation, their mission to
reduce the amount of people in

2048
02:02:44,280 --> 02:02:48,990
the world. And of course, people
call her a eugenicist. And you

2049
02:02:48,990 --> 02:02:52,410
know, and you know, the whole
idea of killing people or

2050
02:02:52,410 --> 02:02:56,160
sterilizing them one way or the
other to, to have a race die

2051
02:02:56,160 --> 02:02:59,580
off, and they're doing all of
this in Africa. And here's a

2052
02:02:59,580 --> 02:03:03,360
little bit, I'll play the bit,
and then we'll play actually,

2053
02:03:04,050 --> 02:03:07,050
here's the opening. That is
interesting, where she denies

2054
02:03:07,050 --> 02:03:07,260
some

2055
02:03:07,260 --> 02:03:10,830
people think when we talk about
contraception, that it's code

2056
02:03:10,830 --> 02:03:16,200
for abortion, which it's not
some people, let's be honest,

2057
02:03:16,350 --> 02:03:19,680
they're uncomfortable with the
topic, because it's about sex.

2058
02:03:20,550 --> 02:03:25,080
Some people worry that the real
goal of family planning is to

2059
02:03:25,080 --> 02:03:26,610
control populations.

2060
02:03:26,670 --> 02:03:32,760
Yeah, yeah. So you doth protest
too much we think is.

2061
02:03:33,960 --> 02:03:37,860
So if we're going to make
progress on this issue, we have

2062
02:03:37,860 --> 02:03:42,600
to be really clear about what
our agenda is. We're not talking

2063
02:03:42,600 --> 02:03:46,200
about abortion. We're not
talking about population

2064
02:03:46,200 --> 02:03:51,960
control. What I'm talking about
is giving women the power to

2065
02:03:51,960 --> 02:03:56,640
save their lives, to save their
children's lives, and to give

2066
02:03:56,640 --> 02:03:59,310
their families the best possible
future

2067
02:03:59,550 --> 02:04:02,940
to be all that you can be. So
Brian says these first two

2068
02:04:02,940 --> 02:04:05,160
snippets are interesting because
they established that Melinda

2069
02:04:05,160 --> 02:04:08,100
Gates considered the public
awareness of population control.

2070
02:04:08,340 --> 02:04:11,550
When she wrote her speech and
intends to distance herself from

2071
02:04:11,550 --> 02:04:14,490
it, she instead intends to
propagate her message that we

2072
02:04:14,490 --> 02:04:17,310
want to bring every good thing
to our children. And where's the

2073
02:04:17,310 --> 02:04:20,610
controversy in that motto, she
repeated three times throughout

2074
02:04:20,610 --> 02:04:25,230
the course of the speech. Now,
we move on. And this is I think,

2075
02:04:25,230 --> 02:04:29,670
kind of the the big crux of of
her denial of the population

2076
02:04:29,670 --> 02:04:32,280
control. But there's a little
gotcha in here, which is just

2077
02:04:32,310 --> 02:04:35,340
astounding as to the words you
use words matter.

2078
02:04:36,660 --> 02:04:40,410
But I think as we go through
this history, it's important to

2079
02:04:40,410 --> 02:04:45,390
pause for for a moment and to
remember why this has become

2080
02:04:45,420 --> 02:04:49,740
such a contentious issue. It's
because some family planning

2081
02:04:49,740 --> 02:04:54,210
programs resorted to unfortunate
incentives and course of

2082
02:04:54,210 --> 02:04:59,970
policies. For instance, in the
1960s, India adopted very

2083
02:05:00,000 --> 02:05:04,980
specific numeric targets about
and they paid women to accept

2084
02:05:05,010 --> 02:05:09,240
having an IUD placed in their
bodies. Now, Indian women were

2085
02:05:09,240 --> 02:05:12,330
really smart in this situation.
When they went to get an IUD

2086
02:05:12,330 --> 02:05:15,810
inserted, they got paid six
rupees. And so what did they do?

2087
02:05:16,440 --> 02:05:19,440
They waited a few hours or a few
days, and they went to another

2088
02:05:19,440 --> 02:05:23,640
service provider, and they had
the IUD removed for one rupee.

2089
02:05:25,710 --> 02:05:30,540
For decades, in the United
States, African American women

2090
02:05:30,600 --> 02:05:35,940
were sterilized without their
consent. The procedure was so

2091
02:05:35,940 --> 02:05:40,860
common, it became known as the
Mississippi appendectomy, a

2092
02:05:40,860 --> 02:05:45,840
tragic chapter in my country's
history. And as recently as the

2093
02:05:45,840 --> 02:05:50,010
1990s, in Peru, women from the
Andes region were given

2094
02:05:50,010 --> 02:05:53,400
anesthesia, and they were
sterilized without their

2095
02:05:53,400 --> 02:05:54,090
knowledge.

2096
02:05:54,540 --> 02:05:58,500
I wonder were these all great
missions from America? I mean,

2097
02:05:58,500 --> 02:06:00,570
who was doing all this? Because
she doesn't mention that. And I

2098
02:06:00,570 --> 02:06:01,980
haven't looked it up. But were
these.

2099
02:06:02,549 --> 02:06:05,249
I don't know about the Andes
one. But obviously, the ones

2100
02:06:05,249 --> 02:06:07,919
that was missing this deck was
obviously yes.

2101
02:06:09,510 --> 02:06:13,260
The most startling thing about
this is that these course of

2102
02:06:13,260 --> 02:06:16,830
policies weren't even needed.
They were carried out in places

2103
02:06:16,830 --> 02:06:20,790
where parents already want to
lower their family size.

2104
02:06:20,820 --> 02:06:22,950
This is the one that is kind of

2105
02:06:23,010 --> 02:06:28,410
that's the we probably not our
producer picked up on this. And

2106
02:06:28,410 --> 02:06:30,990
if you'd listen if you let's
play it again, analyze what she

2107
02:06:30,990 --> 02:06:37,020
said. Yeah. She actually said
she actually, instead of moaning

2108
02:06:37,020 --> 02:06:39,960
about what she should be moaning
about, which is the ethics of

2109
02:06:39,960 --> 02:06:44,340
these forced sterilizations, she
casually pass it off as

2110
02:06:44,340 --> 02:06:45,900
something that wasn't even

2111
02:06:45,900 --> 02:06:49,110
needed. It's startling. We
didn't have to go through all

2112
02:06:49,110 --> 02:06:49,320
that.

2113
02:06:49,710 --> 02:06:53,580
Go through all that trouble. And
is, which is essentially what

2114
02:06:53,580 --> 02:06:56,700
you did not essentially is that
is exactly what she said. Yeah.

2115
02:06:56,730 --> 02:07:01,200
And so she, it just is a very
weird catch, and a very

2116
02:07:01,200 --> 02:07:06,840
difficult thing to, to normally
catch. I guess our producer was

2117
02:07:06,840 --> 02:07:09,300
listening to this thing and just
was in the right mood to catch

2118
02:07:09,300 --> 02:07:13,020
it. Because he had a skeptical
nature, which is important if

2119
02:07:13,020 --> 02:07:16,470
you're going to catch these
sorts of comments. And you have

2120
02:07:16,470 --> 02:07:18,660
other people say, Well, you
know, she just saw what she

2121
02:07:18,660 --> 02:07:22,230
meant. You know, that's what she
said. Yeah. And we've and she

2122
02:07:22,230 --> 02:07:27,330
firstly defends herself about
not being a eugenicist. I think

2123
02:07:27,360 --> 02:07:33,750
personally, if you're, I don't
see why. You just don't come on,

2124
02:07:33,750 --> 02:07:37,350
say it. Yeah, I think somebody
could come and say, you know,

2125
02:07:37,650 --> 02:07:40,290
these are great programs, but we
shouldn't be sterilizing

2126
02:07:40,290 --> 02:07:44,190
everybody. And we should be
limiting and just 43 and me or

2127
02:07:44,190 --> 02:07:47,070
whatever that thing is with the
gene thing. That's the way to

2128
02:07:47,070 --> 02:07:50,070
go. No, and then screw everybody
else. You don't need a bunch of

2129
02:07:50,070 --> 02:07:51,660
cripples and criminals. You know
what

2130
02:07:51,660 --> 02:07:55,260
Miss Mickey's plan is, and she's
a eugenicist. By the way she'll

2131
02:07:55,260 --> 02:07:59,220
tell you straight up, she says,
kill all the Chinese. She says

2132
02:07:59,280 --> 02:08:00,630
their penises are small.

2133
02:08:01,500 --> 02:08:03,450
They've been trying to do that
for so long.

2134
02:08:03,900 --> 02:08:07,290
They're rude. They're rude.
They're tiny. They're in the way

2135
02:08:07,290 --> 02:08:11,250
that penises are no good. They
all look alike. That's a billion

2136
02:08:11,250 --> 02:08:16,050
people just get rid of them
done. It's funny because it just

2137
02:08:16,050 --> 02:08:20,160
came out today that the China
China's National Tourism

2138
02:08:20,160 --> 02:08:22,890
Administration has and I don't
have a copy of this. I want a

2139
02:08:22,890 --> 02:08:27,750
copy of this guidebook. It's the
guidebook for civilized tourism,

2140
02:08:28,260 --> 02:08:31,920
which advises Chinese nationals
not to do a number of things.

2141
02:08:32,520 --> 02:08:36,180
When they when they are on
vacation in the West that they

2142
02:08:36,180 --> 02:08:43,080
normally would do. Such as pick
their noses in public. urinate

2143
02:08:43,080 --> 02:08:47,160
in pools, steal airplane life
jackets.

2144
02:08:48,060 --> 02:08:50,430
What are these people didn't
know they did that? Well,

2145
02:08:50,430 --> 02:08:51,480
apparently,

2146
02:08:51,840 --> 02:08:55,650
here in May a mainland Chinese
woman who let her son relieve

2147
02:08:55,650 --> 02:09:00,120
himself in a bottle in a
restaurant. Because this is

2148
02:09:00,120 --> 02:09:01,200
normal over there.

2149
02:09:02,580 --> 02:09:04,470
Normal everywhere yeah, no,

2150
02:09:04,470 --> 02:09:07,410
this I'm telling you this this
is this is culture. Hey, come

2151
02:09:07,410 --> 02:09:10,920
on. The Chinese are always
eating weird animals too. It's

2152
02:09:10,920 --> 02:09:15,960
like Oh, is that a white tiger
let me eat it. Oh, that's mostly

2153
02:09:15,960 --> 02:09:18,840
the Cantonese by the way your
goodwill read off this LI more

2154
02:09:18,840 --> 02:09:21,270
things on that list. This is
fascinating. I don't

2155
02:09:21,270 --> 02:09:26,940
have the this is the problem. I
don't have the I there was

2156
02:09:26,940 --> 02:09:29,910
outrage when a 15 year old
tourists from Nigeria recently

2157
02:09:29,910 --> 02:09:37,380
carved his name into an ancient
temple in Luxor Egypt. People

2158
02:09:37,380 --> 02:09:42,300
are no good. We gotta send
Melinda Gates and Bill over to

2159
02:09:42,300 --> 02:09:48,660
China. I want I want this guide
I maybe it's only in Chinese. I

2160
02:09:48,660 --> 02:09:51,210
just I don't have a copy of it.
I'd love to see this. What you

2161
02:09:51,210 --> 02:09:56,490
can't do. This is the Chinese
Golden week holidays. I guess

2162
02:09:56,490 --> 02:09:57,570
this one, the

2163
02:09:57,570 --> 02:10:01,740
Chinese that China they still
Have there was a there's a new

2164
02:10:01,740 --> 02:10:05,070
network on television called the
Esquire network. Yeah, I've

2165
02:10:05,070 --> 02:10:07,320
seen them advertised like a beer
show.

2166
02:10:07,590 --> 02:10:11,160
They got a lot of shows, but
they have a for one thing they

2167
02:10:11,160 --> 02:10:15,900
have the guy that does talk soup
or the soup. Joel Joel McHale

2168
02:10:15,930 --> 02:10:20,400
doing a I watched his This is an
Anthony Bourdain rip off. He's

2169
02:10:20,400 --> 02:10:24,210
roaming around making wisecracks
eating food getting drunk all

2170
02:10:24,210 --> 02:10:28,440
the rest of it. And I was I was
beside myself with what is what

2171
02:10:28,440 --> 02:10:32,130
a rip off the show was.
Executive producer Anthony

2172
02:10:32,130 --> 02:10:37,380
Bourdain. Oh, that's funny. So I
was beside myself. No wonder,

2173
02:10:37,680 --> 02:10:38,220
right? So it

2174
02:10:38,220 --> 02:10:40,890
a clone of themselves. Right. So
somehow we got I just want to

2175
02:10:40,890 --> 02:10:41,730
get back to Melinda

2176
02:10:41,790 --> 02:10:44,040
and I want to get back to the
what my point I'm sorry. I

2177
02:10:44,040 --> 02:10:47,460
go, right. It was my fault for
saying the Chinese gotta go.

2178
02:10:47,730 --> 02:10:50,340
Well, the anyway, the one they
did a thing in Hong Kong, and

2179
02:10:50,340 --> 02:10:54,870
they had a bunch of this, this
kind of commentary about the

2180
02:10:54,870 --> 02:10:58,770
Chinese, but most of it was the
expats who had moved there that

2181
02:10:58,770 --> 02:11:02,010
were Chinese like Canadian,
Chinese, for example. Yeah. Are

2182
02:11:02,010 --> 02:11:06,030
American Chinese. They haven't
they get nothing but grief. The

2183
02:11:06,030 --> 02:11:09,210
Chinese don't I mean, it's not
like even a racial thing. There

2184
02:11:09,210 --> 02:11:14,130
are cultural operation. And you
can be Chinese. You can even

2185
02:11:14,130 --> 02:11:17,760
speak Chinese. But if you're not
Chinese, the Chinese the Chinese

2186
02:11:17,760 --> 02:11:19,950
people. You're scum.

2187
02:11:19,950 --> 02:11:21,450
You're an outcast. Yeah.

2188
02:11:21,810 --> 02:11:27,270
The Japanese are worse at that,
by the way. Well, I don't know.

2189
02:11:27,330 --> 02:11:28,950
I don't know what they're trying
to hide

2190
02:11:29,130 --> 02:11:34,830
those a lot of Chinese Malmo.
Let's listen to Melinda Gates

2191
02:11:34,830 --> 02:11:39,360
again. Just that last bit where
she says it was so startling we

2192
02:11:39,360 --> 02:11:42,990
didn't even have to force
sterilize these people.

2193
02:11:44,190 --> 02:11:47,940
The most startling thing about
this is that these course of

2194
02:11:47,940 --> 02:11:51,510
policies weren't even needed.
They were carried out in places

2195
02:11:51,510 --> 02:11:52,470
where parents still

2196
02:11:52,470 --> 02:11:54,870
weren't ready. What iReady

2197
02:11:56,310 --> 02:12:01,740
So, then, at the end is Chris
Anderson. Is he British?

2198
02:12:03,180 --> 02:12:05,520
Well, there's a couple of
Christian wired the wired guy.

2199
02:12:05,940 --> 02:12:10,560
The Wired guy is not the guy at
TED. Okay, so that's Chris

2200
02:12:10,560 --> 02:12:13,170
Anderson. The other Chris
Anderson is a British guy and

2201
02:12:13,170 --> 02:12:16,470
he's the guy used to be he used
to do Mac at he used to be

2202
02:12:16,650 --> 02:12:19,890
I don't know who this so there's
a host of Ted. I thought it was

2203
02:12:19,890 --> 02:12:21,510
Chris Anderson, but he it is

2204
02:12:21,540 --> 02:12:24,120
the Chris Anderson is the host,
but it's a different Chris

2205
02:12:24,120 --> 02:12:28,740
Anderson. Why Chris Anderson,
that people would confuse him

2206
02:12:28,740 --> 02:12:30,450
with this the wired Chris
Anderson,

2207
02:12:30,690 --> 02:12:34,980
I did I just slip into the
Twilight Zone? Well, what is

2208
02:12:35,010 --> 02:12:36,750
this like to Chris Anderson's
who are

2209
02:12:36,750 --> 02:12:39,840
answers to Chris Anderson's,
they're different people. But

2210
02:12:39,840 --> 02:12:42,690
that one was the wire editor.
And he's a book writer, and he's

2211
02:12:42,690 --> 02:12:47,130
a nice guy. I know both of them.
Oh. And the other guy is a

2212
02:12:47,130 --> 02:12:48,840
British guy, and he owns Ted.

2213
02:12:49,139 --> 02:12:53,159
Okay, so the British guy is now
going to ask Melinda question,

2214
02:12:53,909 --> 02:12:57,929
and then listen to her answers
just short, like, less than a

2215
02:12:57,929 --> 02:13:04,289
minute. How this woman she truly
believes that she along with her

2216
02:13:04,289 --> 02:13:12,119
other elitist, eight holes, run
the show. We do this we we, the

2217
02:13:12,119 --> 02:13:13,889
Royal era, we

2218
02:13:16,110 --> 02:13:21,330
thank you for your courage and
everything else. So Melinda in

2219
02:13:21,330 --> 02:13:22,350
the last set, thank you

2220
02:13:22,350 --> 02:13:26,730
for your courage, and everything
else.

2221
02:13:26,759 --> 02:13:27,629
What courage?

2222
02:13:27,660 --> 02:13:29,940
I don't know. I'm just going to
keep saying that to everybody. I

2223
02:13:29,940 --> 02:13:33,180
see. Hey, nice to meet you.
Thank you for your courage. I

2224
02:13:33,180 --> 02:13:37,170
like it. Hey, John, thank you
for your courage. You're

2225
02:13:37,170 --> 02:13:37,620
welcome.

2226
02:13:37,920 --> 02:13:41,790
Melinda in the last few years,
I've heard a lot of smart people

2227
02:13:41,790 --> 02:13:46,140
say something to the effect of
we don't need to worry about the

2228
02:13:46,140 --> 02:13:49,620
population issue anymore. You
know, family sizes are coming

2229
02:13:49,620 --> 02:13:52,680
down naturally all over the
world, we're going to pick at

2230
02:13:52,680 --> 02:13:56,970
nine or 10 billion. And that's
it. Are they wrong?

2231
02:13:57,599 --> 02:14:00,089
Well, if you look at the
statistics across Africa, they

2232
02:14:00,089 --> 02:14:03,419
are wrong. And and I think we
need to look at it though from a

2233
02:14:03,419 --> 02:14:06,839
different lens, we need to look
at it from the ground upwards. I

2234
02:14:06,839 --> 02:14:09,629
think that's one of the reasons
we got ourselves in so much

2235
02:14:09,629 --> 02:14:13,379
trouble on this. Contraception
is we looked at it from top down

2236
02:14:13,379 --> 02:14:15,959
and said, We want to have
different population numbers

2237
02:14:15,959 --> 02:14:19,409
over time. We care about the
planet. Yes, we need to make the

2238
02:14:19,409 --> 02:14:22,559
right choices. But the choices
have to be made at the family

2239
02:14:22,559 --> 02:14:25,889
level. And it's only by giving
people access and letting them

2240
02:14:25,889 --> 02:14:29,039
choose what to do that you can
do sweeping changes that we have

2241
02:14:29,039 --> 02:14:32,849
seen globally, except for sub
Saharan African set for those

2242
02:14:32,849 --> 02:14:35,159
places in South Asian and
Afghanistan. Hi, so

2243
02:14:35,160 --> 02:14:40,200
she is elite. And she is just
part of and this is kind of

2244
02:14:40,200 --> 02:14:44,520
where it comes back to to Vita
more. This is the trend the

2245
02:14:44,520 --> 02:14:50,280
trend is less people, but we are
going to live forever because we

2246
02:14:50,280 --> 02:14:55,800
will become one with machines.
And let me tell you, Joe Rogan

2247
02:14:55,800 --> 02:14:59,340
is on this trip too. I mean, you
gotta be this is it's very

2248
02:14:59,340 --> 02:15:06,120
tempting. because it seems kind
of cool the basic idea

2249
02:15:07,980 --> 02:15:09,810
seemed cool to me No Not to me

2250
02:15:09,810 --> 02:15:11,790
but you know it's like you're
already kind of one with your

2251
02:15:11,790 --> 02:15:14,700
iPhone you know this is people
are like oh yeah no just like

2252
02:15:14,700 --> 02:15:17,820
that this thing in my head is
embedded just a slot just wonder

2253
02:15:18,210 --> 02:15:20,400
I wanted to connect to people

2254
02:15:20,669 --> 02:15:22,049
looking forward to that you

2255
02:15:22,050 --> 02:15:24,150
may it's become Google Glasses

2256
02:15:24,150 --> 02:15:24,660
close to a

2257
02:15:24,660 --> 02:15:30,090
Google Glasses a part of that.
Absolutely. And I urge you to go

2258
02:15:30,090 --> 02:15:33,900
read the Unabomber manifesto.
I'll put it into the show notes.

2259
02:15:34,080 --> 02:15:36,690
I'm not saying I'm not
advocating blowing up anybody to

2260
02:15:36,690 --> 02:15:39,450
get attention for it but the
document itself is very

2261
02:15:39,450 --> 02:15:44,130
interesting very interesting
particularly in light of what

2262
02:15:44,130 --> 02:15:47,610
you're hearing here what you're
hearing from an Natasha Vita

2263
02:15:47,610 --> 02:15:50,880
more I love my friends to death
but they are on their way to

2264
02:15:50,880 --> 02:15:56,760
transhumanism with this 23 And
me and the what is it the

2265
02:15:56,790 --> 02:15:58,170
quantified self

2266
02:15:59,340 --> 02:16:04,110
righteous Natalie del Conte or
Morris there's a new Nisha she

2267
02:16:04,110 --> 02:16:07,890
really ended that quantified
thing Oh really? wires on

2268
02:16:07,890 --> 02:16:12,870
herself oh my god my blood
pressure went up by a point. Let

2269
02:16:12,870 --> 02:16:15,750
me just relax her serenity now.
Serenity now.

2270
02:16:17,160 --> 02:16:20,010
Where did I Where did I miss
something where was this?

2271
02:16:20,370 --> 02:16:23,310
It was she talked about it on
the one of the Twitch show. Oh,

2272
02:16:23,310 --> 02:16:24,750
I can't miss that.

2273
02:16:25,740 --> 02:16:28,650
Yeah, she's all wired she's all
hooked up. She got stuff you

2274
02:16:28,650 --> 02:16:29,640
know all over her.

2275
02:16:30,810 --> 02:16:33,810
But is it connected to the web?
Can we monitor I probably

2276
02:16:33,810 --> 02:16:36,510
it is I think that's the main
thing people are doing. Can you

2277
02:16:36,510 --> 02:16:37,530
give her a jolt?

2278
02:16:45,510 --> 02:16:46,380
Yes,

2279
02:16:46,590 --> 02:16:49,170
I'm talking about science and
all the rest of it. You know we

2280
02:16:49,200 --> 02:16:55,650
did this one so I'm going to do
it. I have a tie on from the one

2281
02:16:55,650 --> 02:16:59,280
of our one of our producer Sandy
they sent it said you gotta

2282
02:16:59,280 --> 02:17:02,340
listen to the last clip gave me
the exact point in time. They

2283
02:17:02,340 --> 02:17:06,090
are discussing this was the last
week show. They had to Tom

2284
02:17:06,090 --> 02:17:08,070
Merritt was running it and by
the way, Tom Merritt I didn't

2285
02:17:08,070 --> 02:17:11,910
realize until I recorded him and
listened with with Molly your

2286
02:17:11,940 --> 02:17:12,720
your friend Molly,

2287
02:17:12,750 --> 02:17:17,430
who I love. Yes, who you are. I
did not pull this clip. I did. I

2288
02:17:17,430 --> 02:17:19,050
know because I was like, I love
Molly.

2289
02:17:19,080 --> 02:17:22,140
I don't want to you wouldn't be
able to i i like Molly a lot. I

2290
02:17:22,140 --> 02:17:25,230
introduced her to Mickey.
Mickey. I'd be set the whole

2291
02:17:25,230 --> 02:17:28,590
thing up and I like Molly as
much as I can like and

2292
02:17:28,589 --> 02:17:30,479
I sent you pictures, didn't I?
Yeah.

2293
02:17:30,510 --> 02:17:35,700
And there. It is fantastic. So
So Molly was on the show

2294
02:17:35,700 --> 02:17:38,310
agreeing with everything Merritt
was saying she was actually in

2295
02:17:38,310 --> 02:17:41,580
town never called gorse. No. And
they're yakking away and they're

2296
02:17:41,580 --> 02:17:43,680
talking really fast. I just kind
of slow it down at the end so

2297
02:17:43,680 --> 02:17:45,960
you can understand what she
said. But somebody came up and

2298
02:17:45,960 --> 02:17:48,630
this is I don't think it's as
good as Kiki. You might have

2299
02:17:48,630 --> 02:17:49,860
played Kiki's little clip.

2300
02:17:52,260 --> 02:17:56,970
Like all over the map here,
okay. Already, science.

2301
02:17:57,930 --> 02:18:00,990
They're talking about comments
that made comments, people make

2302
02:18:00,990 --> 02:18:04,770
comments, and it's terrible. We
should ban all comments from the

2303
02:18:04,770 --> 02:18:06,900
internet, even though comments
provide most of the

2304
02:18:06,900 --> 02:18:09,750
entertainment they didn't nobody
brought that up, of course. And

2305
02:18:09,750 --> 02:18:12,510
they talked about how popular
science dropped the comments and

2306
02:18:12,510 --> 02:18:14,970
all these people because people
would chime in. Because these

2307
02:18:14,970 --> 02:18:17,820
comments these these articles
are bullcrap. They're a bunch

2308
02:18:17,820 --> 02:18:20,640
of, you know, pseudo science
themselves. But you know, they

2309
02:18:20,640 --> 02:18:23,520
pose a science. And then
somebody says this bullcrap, and

2310
02:18:23,520 --> 02:18:26,010
they put some citation or
whatever, just play this, and

2311
02:18:26,010 --> 02:18:27,690
you'll see what we're looking
for. And that

2312
02:18:27,690 --> 02:18:31,320
appears in YouTube comments. So
it so Google and YouTube are

2313
02:18:31,320 --> 02:18:35,820
making a very smart play here to
say, we're worth the higher CPMs

2314
02:18:35,910 --> 02:18:38,910
look at what Popular Science did
turning off comments, because

2315
02:18:39,150 --> 02:18:42,780
they said they cited a study
saying, when you had comments

2316
02:18:42,990 --> 02:18:46,380
that were disputing the science,
yeah, without good science

2317
02:18:46,380 --> 02:18:49,770
behind it, it lessened people's
confidence in science. Now,

2318
02:18:49,770 --> 02:18:51,570
there's some other people saying
like, that's the wrong way to go

2319
02:18:51,570 --> 02:18:53,280
about a popular science, what
you should have done is heavy

2320
02:18:53,280 --> 02:18:54,960
moderation, and cetera, et
cetera. There's probably valid

2321
02:18:54,960 --> 02:18:58,800
reasons to that. But in absence
of the resources to do all of

2322
02:18:58,800 --> 02:19:02,160
the better things, shutting down
the comments, versus leaving

2323
02:19:02,160 --> 02:19:04,890
them up and having people not
believe your content, because of

2324
02:19:04,890 --> 02:19:07,350
the commenters, is the decision
they made.

2325
02:19:07,830 --> 02:19:10,620
I was I was in favor of that
decision by pops. I really do.

2326
02:19:10,620 --> 02:19:13,740
Because I think you could, you
could devote ridiculous amounts

2327
02:19:13,740 --> 02:19:16,530
of staff that they don't have to
try and to make sure that the

2328
02:19:16,530 --> 02:19:19,230
comments are okay, and that they
don't distort the science in

2329
02:19:19,230 --> 02:19:22,350
some way. Or you could say like,
you know what, this is not up

2330
02:19:22,350 --> 02:19:26,490
for debate, science. This is not
up for debate, science.

2331
02:19:27,299 --> 02:19:35,939
This is not up for debate,
science, science. produced. It's

2332
02:19:35,939 --> 02:19:40,529
funny, because the exact same
story ran on NPR, our national

2333
02:19:40,529 --> 02:19:44,219
treasure on marketplace. And I
thought it would be interesting

2334
02:19:44,219 --> 02:19:47,369
to get the more mainstream
opinion on this, which of course

2335
02:19:47,369 --> 02:19:50,399
is obviously exactly the same.
This is marketplace from APM.

2336
02:19:50,399 --> 02:19:53,759
I'm ca res DOM. You've got a
couple of options. If you hear

2337
02:19:53,759 --> 02:19:57,449
something on this program that
you like, or that you hate, for

2338
02:19:57,449 --> 02:20:01,409
that matter. You can email us
you can Hit us up on Twitter at

2339
02:20:01,409 --> 02:20:04,889
marketplace a pm or you could go
to our website marketplace.org

2340
02:20:04,949 --> 02:20:10,199
And leave a comment but there's
the rub because comment sections

2341
02:20:10,229 --> 02:20:14,069
on journalism sites can be
painful often hijacked by trolls

2342
02:20:14,069 --> 02:20:18,569
who knocked down pretty much
everything that hijacked

2343
02:20:18,599 --> 02:20:22,859
hijacker has say Hi Jack that I
had tagged terrorists in part

2344
02:20:22,919 --> 02:20:26,069
helps explain why Popular
Science has shut down its

2345
02:20:26,069 --> 02:20:28,889
comment section. marketplaces
Adrian Hill reports.

2346
02:20:29,160 --> 02:20:33,060
Hey, all you internet trolls. I
know you aren't much for nuance.

2347
02:20:33,060 --> 02:20:33,180
And

2348
02:20:34,590 --> 02:20:40,350
by the way, I love how Molly
calls it pop SCI pops. So you're

2349
02:20:40,350 --> 02:20:43,230
gonna hate me for doing this is
all your fault. This is this is

2350
02:20:43,230 --> 02:20:43,920
ending case,

2351
02:20:43,920 --> 02:20:46,830
the one who said it. But it's
not you bring this up. But you

2352
02:20:46,830 --> 02:20:49,740
brought up as a point that all
she's doing like everybody else

2353
02:20:49,770 --> 02:20:53,040
that is out there that that
model is the only one she's just

2354
02:20:53,040 --> 02:20:55,980
parroting mainstream media.
She's like a stenographer.

2355
02:20:56,010 --> 02:20:58,500
Yeah, that's okay. Because you
just needs to be saved. That's

2356
02:20:58,500 --> 02:21:00,570
all. That's all that needs to
happen. It's just it's just a

2357
02:21:00,570 --> 02:21:02,070
little program slowly.

2358
02:21:02,130 --> 02:21:05,760
And in words you might
understand. People who care

2359
02:21:05,760 --> 02:21:09,930
about civilization hate you.
You're predictable. Boring

2360
02:21:09,930 --> 02:21:13,290
diatribes are ruining the
internet for the rest of us.

2361
02:21:13,320 --> 02:21:17,790
Just so you know. We're ruining
the internet for the rest of us

2362
02:21:17,820 --> 02:21:24,690
get a job. Get a job. All right.
I'm done. Read the hill is a

2363
02:21:24,690 --> 02:21:29,640
professor at Arizona's DIC.
State University's Walter

2364
02:21:29,640 --> 02:21:34,230
Cronkite School of Journalism.
Commenting has gotten really out

2365
02:21:34,230 --> 02:21:39,090
of control with a lot of nasty
comments with arguments with

2366
02:21:39,090 --> 02:21:42,270
everything going to political.
It doesn't matter what the story

2367
02:21:42,270 --> 02:21:46,710
is. She says it can be anything
and can get ugly. People really

2368
02:21:46,710 --> 02:21:51,420
go after each other in a way
that discourages really good

2369
02:21:51,420 --> 02:21:54,870
thoughtful conversation. Popular
Science for its part has had

2370
02:21:54,870 --> 02:21:58,680
enough anti science bashers and
political railing. It's closing

2371
02:21:58,680 --> 02:22:01,980
its comment section down.
Suzanne Lebar is popular

2372
02:22:01,980 --> 02:22:06,150
sciences online content
director. This research came out

2373
02:22:06,180 --> 02:22:11,340
a few months ago that showed
that how people perceive science

2374
02:22:11,340 --> 02:22:16,080
is actually shaped in part by
comment sections. And that she

2375
02:22:16,080 --> 02:22:20,850
says was all the motivation that
we needed to just finally

2376
02:22:22,650 --> 02:22:28,230
shut the door. Getting in the
house, shut the door. Hey, by

2377
02:22:28,230 --> 02:22:30,900
the way, John, I've been waiting
to be able to play this clip.

2378
02:22:33,630 --> 02:22:34,410
Down

2379
02:22:34,470 --> 02:22:38,850
US Capitol in lockdown right
now. Shots fired at the Capitol.

2380
02:22:40,050 --> 02:22:44,550
Seriously, I'm not kidding. Oh,
horrible news coming over the

2381
02:22:44,550 --> 02:22:48,330
police radio in the house press
gallery. Lots of scrub. Just

2382
02:22:48,330 --> 02:22:53,250
reading tweets. Capitol Police
scrambling gunshots in front of

2383
02:22:53,250 --> 02:22:58,470
Capitol cops scramble. Hmm.
Well, that's interesting.

2384
02:22:59,280 --> 02:23:00,780
Yeah, like it is interesting.

2385
02:23:01,320 --> 02:23:02,610
I don't have a TV here.

2386
02:23:02,820 --> 02:23:05,160
It's funny. They would do it
when nobody's there. It's weird.

2387
02:23:05,250 --> 02:23:06,450
What do you mean, nobody's
there?

2388
02:23:06,870 --> 02:23:08,430
I mean, there was on you know,
furlough.

2389
02:23:10,830 --> 02:23:12,630
isn't anybody in the Capitol
building?

2390
02:23:13,140 --> 02:23:15,630
Probably just a couple of
guards. I'm guessing maybe not.

2391
02:23:16,770 --> 02:23:19,950
Okay, this is very interesting,
because it comes at a very odd

2392
02:23:19,950 --> 02:23:22,890
time. I think the timing is
weird. No one was hurt when

2393
02:23:22,890 --> 02:23:26,010
someone fired shots at a
restaurant on Capitol Hill. This

2394
02:23:26,010 --> 02:23:26,820
is in Seattle

2395
02:23:28,320 --> 02:23:33,090
from three years ago. Let's see
if CNN has any. It's actually

2396
02:23:33,090 --> 02:23:33,300
from

2397
02:23:33,300 --> 02:23:36,720
July. Well, let's get back to
the other article. We'll get it

2398
02:23:36,720 --> 02:23:39,270
with Google to that. But let's
go to the let's dive into how

2399
02:23:39,270 --> 02:23:43,830
they could say something. Yes.
First of all, it's not that hard

2400
02:23:43,830 --> 02:23:47,910
to moderate. It's done very
easily. As a matter of fact, and

2401
02:23:47,910 --> 02:23:50,730
if you have a staff of people
like for, for example, say I'm a

2402
02:23:50,730 --> 02:23:53,430
writer for Popular Science, and
I write something, but people

2403
02:23:53,430 --> 02:23:56,610
come in, I should be able to
moderate my own stream of

2404
02:23:56,640 --> 02:23:59,280
comments, even though there
could be hundreds of them. And

2405
02:23:59,280 --> 02:24:01,530
one of the things you really
have to have the power to do is

2406
02:24:01,530 --> 02:24:04,920
to is to ban people. And they're
the key to real good moderation

2407
02:24:04,920 --> 02:24:08,610
is finding the jerks that are
just troublemakers they come in

2408
02:24:08,610 --> 02:24:11,460
and they say stupid stuff and
put them put them on the Bozo

2409
02:24:11,460 --> 02:24:14,070
filter, you put them either on a
bozo filter, which is the

2410
02:24:14,070 --> 02:24:18,090
absolute funniest if you have
one, or you just blacklist them

2411
02:24:18,090 --> 02:24:21,060
and they can't get in. If they
do get in again, you've first of

2412
02:24:21,060 --> 02:24:23,670
all, you look up their IP
address what you can do, and

2413
02:24:23,670 --> 02:24:27,240
you'd take a look at all their
comments. And then if you see if

2414
02:24:27,240 --> 02:24:30,180
you look up their person, the
net, the name they usually use,

2415
02:24:30,180 --> 02:24:32,520
sometimes your IP address
changes. And you can see when it

2416
02:24:32,520 --> 02:24:35,370
changes in the window probably
change again sometime. He's just

2417
02:24:35,370 --> 02:24:38,610
banned those IP addresses and
you let the guys they generally

2418
02:24:38,610 --> 02:24:41,220
will go to someplace else to
make their comments. So it's not

2419
02:24:41,220 --> 02:24:43,950
that difficult to moderate. It's
not like oh, there's no

2420
02:24:43,950 --> 02:24:48,150
resources. A place like Popular
Science has plenty of money pops

2421
02:24:48,150 --> 02:24:50,970
more than a pop blogger does.
Most bloggers can do the top

2422
02:24:50,970 --> 02:24:54,600
side say it right top say most
bloggers can do this. So it's

2423
02:24:54,600 --> 02:24:57,660
not that hard to do. And that's
what they should do because

2424
02:24:57,660 --> 02:25:01,200
comments are important. There.
Part of the reason people will

2425
02:25:01,200 --> 02:25:03,720
go to a website because you want
to read the comments. Yeah, but

2426
02:25:03,720 --> 02:25:06,480
you're, you're you're ruining
the internet you troll.

2427
02:25:07,410 --> 02:25:10,230
And and sometimes it's more
entertaining than the article is

2428
02:25:10,230 --> 02:25:13,110
sometimes there's articles that
I have to say it or wrong.

2429
02:25:13,140 --> 02:25:16,410
They're not just because it's
climate science wrong, but I

2430
02:25:16,410 --> 02:25:20,040
mean, there's regular articles
written by regular people about

2431
02:25:20,040 --> 02:25:22,770
something like rocket
propulsion, and they've got it

2432
02:25:22,770 --> 02:25:25,800
wrong and somebody needs to jump
in and tell him that this is

2433
02:25:25,800 --> 02:25:28,680
wrong. You've got the wrong
formula or something like that.

2434
02:25:28,890 --> 02:25:30,840
Common in the comments pop

2435
02:25:30,840 --> 02:25:34,830
sign out the magazine that it
wasn't not popular science who

2436
02:25:34,830 --> 02:25:38,640
explained exactly how the World
Trade Centers melted steal the

2437
02:25:38,640 --> 02:25:41,760
jet. That was the definitive
work. Yeah, that would be a

2438
02:25:41,760 --> 02:25:45,810
reason why I don't they don't
need comments. Don't go there.

2439
02:25:46,920 --> 02:25:52,500
That was that was enough science
for me. Yeah. Six in physics,

2440
02:25:52,560 --> 02:25:56,490
it's just math people. Right.

2441
02:25:57,000 --> 02:26:00,060
Anyway, so I have I think that
this is this is wrongheaded.

2442
02:26:00,210 --> 02:26:03,930
Apparently, PBS where the guests
just got started in Popular

2443
02:26:03,930 --> 02:26:07,710
Science, they couldn't take it
anymore. It's like it seems to

2444
02:26:07,710 --> 02:26:10,230
me that they just couldn't take
it they said I can't take it

2445
02:26:10,230 --> 02:26:12,630
anymore. These people will
people are reading the comments

2446
02:26:12,630 --> 02:26:17,040
or mele believe a word we say
they're mean. Hear me do us

2447
02:26:17,250 --> 02:26:19,800
mean I don't want I don't like
it when you mean

2448
02:26:21,090 --> 02:26:24,690
there's all kinds of hoops you
can create. You need comments.

2449
02:26:25,170 --> 02:26:27,750
Yeah, but this unless you're
just writing an essay you don't

2450
02:26:27,750 --> 02:26:28,500
care

2451
02:26:28,590 --> 02:26:31,350
so so what is your takeaway on
this? This is an oh, this is an

2452
02:26:31,350 --> 02:26:32,370
overall trend.

2453
02:26:34,020 --> 02:26:36,870
I think it would like to be a
trend but I think what you're

2454
02:26:36,870 --> 02:26:40,290
going to run into with it as a
trend is that your numbers will

2455
02:26:40,290 --> 02:26:44,370
fall off. The readers will get
so aggravated they look at the

2456
02:26:44,370 --> 02:26:46,800
bar I've had this happen to me.
So wait a minute, this isn't

2457
02:26:46,800 --> 02:26:49,650
right and you look I'm gonna put
a comment in you know as though

2458
02:26:49,650 --> 02:26:52,110
that's going to do anything but
you feel better. So you go to

2459
02:26:52,110 --> 02:26:55,260
put your feel better comment in
and by the way very few people

2460
02:26:55,260 --> 02:26:57,780
that if you have these some of
these sites that have 500

2461
02:26:57,780 --> 02:27:00,810
comments, nobody's reading all
these things. But so anyway, you

2462
02:27:00,810 --> 02:27:03,690
pull it up, put your comment and
get some blow off some steam and

2463
02:27:03,690 --> 02:27:06,300
there's not one there you rarely
go back to that site.

2464
02:27:06,330 --> 02:27:11,520
So let's just look at some of
the pop SCI. Look at their top

2465
02:27:11,520 --> 02:27:15,360
stories today. Number one death
by collider. What would happen

2466
02:27:15,360 --> 02:27:19,230
if you were zapped by the Large
Hadron Collider? Ooh, science

2467
02:27:19,230 --> 02:27:23,820
science number two lessons from
Mr. White the best the six best

2468
02:27:23,820 --> 02:27:27,390
scientists we picked up from
watching Breaking Bad. Oh, the

2469
02:27:27,390 --> 02:27:32,400
sciences in October is best
gadgets a dozen great ideas in

2470
02:27:32,400 --> 02:27:35,970
gear featuring the best gaming
laptop, a high tech beer,

2471
02:27:35,970 --> 02:27:41,280
Growler. And more. overboard
what happens if an astronaut

2472
02:27:41,280 --> 02:27:45,510
floats off into space blatant
promotion for the gravity wing

2473
02:27:45,510 --> 02:27:50,340
via images of the week including
an inflatable concert hall

2474
02:27:50,370 --> 02:27:53,820
exploding light bulbs and the
guy with one hell of a beard?

2475
02:27:54,390 --> 02:27:57,330
Yeah. Now, there's other reasons
why I don't go to your site pop

2476
02:27:57,330 --> 02:28:00,780
side is bullshit. That gives a
Crap.

2477
02:28:04,440 --> 02:28:06,270
Crap. Wow.

2478
02:28:06,480 --> 02:28:09,240
I mean, we're no scientists. We
know scientists. We're no

2479
02:28:09,240 --> 02:28:12,630
scientists here. But you know,
we're historians. We are

2480
02:28:12,630 --> 02:28:16,380
historians of popular culture.
And we can see where all this is

2481
02:28:16,380 --> 02:28:21,750
headed. And go ahead and
look@natasha.cc and tell me the

2482
02:28:21,780 --> 02:28:25,590
selfie photo of Natasha Vita
more is not what you want to be.

2483
02:28:26,910 --> 02:28:29,940
Look at that face is
frightening. I think that she's

2484
02:28:29,940 --> 02:28:31,350
already trans humanized

2485
02:28:32,070 --> 02:28:35,160
you know, I really was reluctant
to go there the first time, but

2486
02:28:35,160 --> 02:28:36,300
now you got my attention.

2487
02:28:36,840 --> 02:28:41,670
Because she could na t a s h
a.cc.

2488
02:28:41,730 --> 02:28:42,540
Yeah, there she is.

2489
02:28:42,600 --> 02:28:47,070
She looks like she could be a
really pretty Sofia Loren kind

2490
02:28:47,070 --> 02:28:51,210
of thing. But no,

2491
02:28:51,540 --> 02:28:55,470
she has a style of speaking. And
she sounds a lot like her

2492
02:28:55,470 --> 02:28:57,840
because I kept listening to her
going. Who does she sound like

2493
02:28:57,840 --> 02:29:02,790
she sounds like a pastor
Melissa. What's her name that's

2494
02:29:02,790 --> 02:29:04,950
on that used to be there used to
be this one guy. I can't

2495
02:29:04,950 --> 02:29:08,970
remember her last name. I don't
know why. Anyway, she sounds

2496
02:29:08,970 --> 02:29:12,030
like one of these preachers who
talks about the kind of weird

2497
02:29:12,030 --> 02:29:16,020
affectation. And then when you
look her up, her real name is

2498
02:29:16,020 --> 02:29:21,000
what got to me, which is
Natasha, let me look her up.

2499
02:29:21,660 --> 02:29:24,840
I'm looking at her at her site.
And she she was at South by

2500
02:29:24,840 --> 02:29:30,090
Southwest or as we say, Austin
South by in 2009. And she did a

2501
02:29:30,090 --> 02:29:35,580
speech called PLU topia, living
systems was originally in 2009.

2502
02:29:35,760 --> 02:29:39,600
The real name is Nancy Clark.
She looks like a Nancy Clark.

2503
02:29:40,200 --> 02:29:42,000
Nancy Clark PR lady.

2504
02:29:45,540 --> 02:29:46,560
Plu topia.

2505
02:29:47,880 --> 02:29:49,980
Zootopia PLU topia

2506
02:29:49,980 --> 02:29:52,440
is a premier marketing
opportunity for sponsors to

2507
02:29:52,440 --> 02:29:57,960
drive brand recognition. This is
all scam is all the all of this

2508
02:29:57,960 --> 02:30:02,520
is just one big giant scam But
it's great you know, I get stuff

2509
02:30:02,550 --> 02:30:04,950
I got friends who are in on the
scam that doing great

2510
02:30:05,130 --> 02:30:10,710
stuff needs to be sold Primo.
Yes, by the way I think that we

2511
02:30:10,710 --> 02:30:14,400
may have a fellow traveler or it
could just be a kind of a verbal

2512
02:30:14,400 --> 02:30:18,270
typo but play tell me that
there's something there's not

2513
02:30:18,270 --> 02:30:22,590
something up with this with this
short clip cow explosion in the

2514
02:30:22,590 --> 02:30:23,250
morning.

2515
02:30:24,420 --> 02:30:28,380
The hope is that the lights will
be back on by in the morning and

2516
02:30:28,380 --> 02:30:30,420
time for classes to start
tomorrow because

2517
02:30:31,920 --> 02:30:34,470
he was so busy getting the in
the morning out he didn't even

2518
02:30:34,470 --> 02:30:39,060
make a sentence time I gotta say
at time for it lights in the

2519
02:30:39,060 --> 02:30:39,510
morning

2520
02:30:40,350 --> 02:30:43,740
that the lights will be back on
by in the morning. Time for

2521
02:30:43,740 --> 02:30:45,630
classes to start tomorrow with
like I want

2522
02:30:45,630 --> 02:30:48,060
to say in the morning all I said
by Oh crap. I'll just say it

2523
02:30:48,060 --> 02:30:51,300
anyway in the morning. In the
morning to your dude. Yeah, that

2524
02:30:51,300 --> 02:30:53,580
was the explosion you guys had
right was weird.

2525
02:30:54,120 --> 02:30:58,110
Yeah, there's something fishy
about it, too. That was weird. I

2526
02:30:58,110 --> 02:31:00,690
don't know what it was. I think
it was maybe some maybe the KGB

2527
02:31:00,690 --> 02:31:03,120
decided to give the CIA a
message. I have no idea.

2528
02:31:03,630 --> 02:31:05,850
I didn't want to just roll one
thing at you because we talked

2529
02:31:05,850 --> 02:31:09,840
about it a while ago. Remember?
Remember all those and this is

2530
02:31:09,840 --> 02:31:12,510
how this show works. You know,
sometimes you got to be patient.

2531
02:31:13,140 --> 02:31:16,710
You got to wait for months,
years. And then there it is. We

2532
02:31:16,710 --> 02:31:20,760
are our own manifesto. Every
single episode is a manifesto of

2533
02:31:20,760 --> 02:31:26,580
sorts. We talked about there
were the all these. We we knew.

2534
02:31:26,610 --> 02:31:31,650
And now it turns out correctly
that it was effectively PR

2535
02:31:31,680 --> 02:31:35,040
against the pharmaceutical
compounding industry.

2536
02:31:35,910 --> 02:31:37,710
All right. We had all these

2537
02:31:38,010 --> 02:31:44,610
like oh horrible people got or
die from founders no good. Well,

2538
02:31:44,610 --> 02:31:53,160
here it is. Ladies and
gentlemen, this is HR 113. This

2539
02:31:53,160 --> 02:31:56,640
is a house resolution on its way
to becoming a bill to amend the

2540
02:31:56,640 --> 02:32:00,780
Food and Drug and Cosmetic Act
with respect to human drug

2541
02:32:00,780 --> 02:32:05,280
compounding, and drug supply
chain security. And for other

2542
02:32:05,280 --> 02:32:09,510
purposes. This Act may be cited
as the drug quality and Security

2543
02:32:09,540 --> 02:32:10,200
Act.

2544
02:32:11,070 --> 02:32:12,360
There you go. Now, let

2545
02:32:12,360 --> 02:32:17,520
me explain compounding and I am
a layman. However, I know Miss

2546
02:32:17,520 --> 02:32:19,920
Mickey has a thyroid issue and
instead of going on the

2547
02:32:19,920 --> 02:32:25,800
synthetic bull crap that is
synthetic, righteous that Nuff

2548
02:32:25,800 --> 02:32:29,100
said, as she has found the
doctor in Austin who has hooked

2549
02:32:29,100 --> 02:32:31,080
her up with this something
called the People's pharmacy.

2550
02:32:31,350 --> 02:32:34,590
And they compound out of natural
elements. So there's probably

2551
02:32:34,590 --> 02:32:39,030
pig hormones and stuff like that
a a specific compound of

2552
02:32:39,030 --> 02:32:43,590
progesterone, which is perfect
for her issue. And the thyroid

2553
02:32:43,590 --> 02:32:46,050
is kind of like as she calls it.
It's like the director of your

2554
02:32:46,050 --> 02:32:48,720
entire body. I mean, the thyroid
is like you're awake, you're

2555
02:32:48,720 --> 02:32:50,010
asleep, you're gaining weight,
you

2556
02:32:50,010 --> 02:32:52,050
lose a lot to do with
everything, your memory, I

2557
02:32:52,050 --> 02:32:54,690
mean, everything, everything is
involved in every it's very,

2558
02:32:54,720 --> 02:33:00,270
it's critical. And and so she's
she's had this for, I don't

2559
02:33:00,270 --> 02:33:07,440
know, probably 1520 years. And
and now she's her life has

2560
02:33:07,440 --> 02:33:10,920
changed dramatically by no
longer being on the synthetic

2561
02:33:10,920 --> 02:33:13,560
stuff and having the stuff
compounds that people care about

2562
02:33:13,560 --> 02:33:16,350
her. You know, the pharmacists,
he's like, No, it's It's a

2563
02:33:16,350 --> 02:33:18,810
personal thing. It's an
important service. It's really

2564
02:33:18,810 --> 02:33:22,500
good. And this is now under
threat and how are they going to

2565
02:33:22,500 --> 02:33:25,980
do this. So if you look at what
has happened here in the

2566
02:33:25,980 --> 02:33:32,880
legislation, the changing
sections 502505 and 585, about

2567
02:33:32,910 --> 02:33:41,190
when you can compound something
and when you can't. So drug

2568
02:33:41,190 --> 02:33:43,410
compounding buyer under the
direct supervision of a licensed

2569
02:33:43,410 --> 02:33:45,660
pharmacist and a facility that
elects to register as an

2570
02:33:45,660 --> 02:33:48,810
outsourcing facility if each of
the following conditions is met.

2571
02:33:49,500 --> 02:33:53,070
So you cannot compound drugs
anymore, unless you meet the

2572
02:33:53,070 --> 02:33:55,500
following conditions. There's a
lot of them, we're just gonna

2573
02:33:55,500 --> 02:33:58,020
pick a couple of them.
Registration reporting the drug

2574
02:33:58,020 --> 02:34:01,380
is compounded in an outsourcing
facility that is in compliance

2575
02:34:01,800 --> 02:34:04,410
with the requirements of sub
Subsection B, you got a whole

2576
02:34:04,410 --> 02:34:07,500
bunch of new requirements
popping up I think most of the

2577
02:34:07,560 --> 02:34:10,800
compounds can get through that.
Then we have the bulk drug

2578
02:34:10,800 --> 02:34:13,800
substance appears on a list
established by the Secretary

2579
02:34:13,830 --> 02:34:16,710
identifying bulk drugs, drug
substances for which there is a

2580
02:34:16,710 --> 02:34:24,600
clinical need. And here it is
down by number five. You may not

2581
02:34:24,600 --> 02:34:30,360
compound a drug if the drug is
essentially a copy of one or

2582
02:34:30,360 --> 02:34:37,350
more approved drugs. So let me
let me run that by you in a real

2583
02:34:37,350 --> 02:34:43,530
world scenario. And that real
world scenario would be actually

2584
02:34:43,530 --> 02:34:51,510
a progesterone named Makina ma
ke N A. And Makino is basically

2585
02:34:51,510 --> 02:34:54,570
a progesterone it's a injection
so there's nothing Ms. Miki has

2586
02:34:54,570 --> 02:34:57,660
but it's a progesterone
injection, which was made by

2587
02:34:57,660 --> 02:35:04,230
compounding would cost about 20
bucks. Along comes Makina. And I

2588
02:35:04,320 --> 02:35:07,800
that's I think that's a Merck
company, along comes Makina.

2589
02:35:08,220 --> 02:35:14,190
They take the exact elements of
that compound, which apparently

2590
02:35:14,190 --> 02:35:18,000
is a popular compound, they turn
it into a drug, get it approved,

2591
02:35:18,000 --> 02:35:22,170
put a label on it, now it cost
$1,200. And you can no longer

2592
02:35:22,170 --> 02:35:26,070
get the compounded version.
That's how they're doing it.

2593
02:35:30,150 --> 02:35:31,200
That's the scandal.

2594
02:35:32,100 --> 02:35:36,270
At this. I am certainly
contacting our representative to

2595
02:35:36,270 --> 02:35:38,400
tell them that they should fight
this. This should not go

2596
02:35:38,400 --> 02:35:39,900
through. This is an outrage.

2597
02:35:40,230 --> 02:35:43,650
It's a total outrage. It's
unbelievable. And they get away

2598
02:35:43,650 --> 02:35:46,530
with this stuff. Who is the
sponsor of these bills?

2599
02:35:46,920 --> 02:35:50,130
Let me see who's on this one.
Hold on a sec.

2600
02:35:51,150 --> 02:35:53,340
I mean, these guys should be
called out.

2601
02:35:54,540 --> 02:35:56,820
Mr. Upton,

2602
02:35:57,480 --> 02:36:02,640
Upton, Upton, the hills Upton,
let me find out Upton. He's a

2603
02:36:02,700 --> 02:36:03,810
congressman. Right? Yeah, I

2604
02:36:03,810 --> 02:36:04,710
think so. I see.

2605
02:36:06,090 --> 02:36:10,680
Congress. Who there's gotta be
some co sponsors, Fred Upton,

2606
02:36:11,160 --> 02:36:16,950
Fred Upton, Michigan. These guys
all come out of Michigan. Fred,

2607
02:36:16,980 --> 02:36:19,620
I got nothing to do with
anything. He's obviously a

2608
02:36:19,740 --> 02:36:24,000
payroll stooge. Let me see. HR
one one been in offices.

2609
02:36:24,000 --> 02:36:28,650
9320 years. Yeah, fourth
district.

2610
02:36:29,280 --> 02:36:31,650
Let me see if there's any co
sponsors on this thing yet. It's

2611
02:36:31,650 --> 02:36:39,720
got to be yes. Is this the one?
No, that's the library.

2612
02:36:41,970 --> 02:36:43,980
Sometimes it's very hard to get.

2613
02:36:45,030 --> 02:36:49,260
He's a Republican. Yeah, douche
Romanian energy and commerce.

2614
02:36:49,260 --> 02:36:51,900
What's he got to do with any of
this? Well, commerce, I guess

2615
02:36:51,930 --> 02:36:55,860
douchebag is a total douchebag.
If he put that law into play.

2616
02:36:57,300 --> 02:36:59,760
Let me see if I could find the
sponsors are in a BA

2617
02:36:59,760 --> 02:37:01,950
in journalism from the
University of Michigan's funny.

2618
02:37:03,450 --> 02:37:09,120
Let's see committee leaders or
editor. Oh, hold on a sec. Oh,

2619
02:37:10,710 --> 02:37:14,340
well, here you go. Committee
leaders applaud passage of drug

2620
02:37:14,340 --> 02:37:20,400
quality and Security Act. The
House of Representatives today

2621
02:37:20,400 --> 02:37:25,590
passed also the Oh, I see
they've changed it hr 3204. By a

2622
02:37:25,590 --> 02:37:28,410
voice vote. They did this
sneaky.

2623
02:37:28,950 --> 02:37:30,270
Oh, yeah. That's what you do it.

2624
02:37:30,750 --> 02:37:33,390
I am proud to say this piece of
legislation is a product of true

2625
02:37:33,390 --> 02:37:36,420
bipartisan and bicameral work.

2626
02:37:37,170 --> 02:37:39,330
Always be bipartisan when it
comes to Big Pharma.

2627
02:37:39,840 --> 02:37:42,360
The Senate and the House
Republicans and Democrats came

2628
02:37:42,360 --> 02:37:45,570
together to produce a bill that
would protect American patients

2629
02:37:45,690 --> 02:37:50,220
by ensuring the safety the they
receive safe drugs as chairman

2630
02:37:50,250 --> 02:37:51,690
Upton, he's the chairman.

2631
02:37:52,950 --> 02:37:56,610
Wow. So he pushed it through?
Yeah. voice vote. Like I would

2632
02:37:56,610 --> 02:37:58,440
give roll call Forget it, buddy.

2633
02:37:59,430 --> 02:38:06,660
Wow. He would protect
traditional pharmacies and

2634
02:38:06,660 --> 02:38:10,410
clarify FDA has authority over
the compounding of human drugs,

2635
02:38:10,680 --> 02:38:13,440
while requiring the agency to
engage and coordinate with

2636
02:38:13,440 --> 02:38:16,770
states to ensure the safety of
compound the drugs to date, the

2637
02:38:16,770 --> 02:38:21,990
CDC has link 64 deaths in 20
states to contaminated drugs by

2638
02:38:21,990 --> 02:38:26,490
compounding. Wow. Yeah. Well,
let me tell you, I did not put

2639
02:38:26,490 --> 02:38:29,430
it past the pharmaceutical
industry to kill 64 People just

2640
02:38:29,430 --> 02:38:34,200
to get this. Hey, I got an idea.
Let's kill some people. Make

2641
02:38:34,200 --> 02:38:39,060
make it law. Legislation will
creates a uniform national

2642
02:38:39,060 --> 02:38:42,330
standard for drug supply chain
security to protect Americans. I

2643
02:38:42,330 --> 02:38:49,950
guess the President hasn't
signed this yet. Wow. That's

2644
02:38:49,950 --> 02:38:52,530
horrible. Let me just make sure
it's an Yeah, no, it's it's in

2645
02:38:52,530 --> 02:38:54,150
the final one. This is the
final.

2646
02:38:55,980 --> 02:38:57,450
can't copy a drug? Yeah,

2647
02:38:57,480 --> 02:39:00,330
it's in there. I'm really I
thought I might not be reading

2648
02:39:00,330 --> 02:39:01,470
from the final but I am.

2649
02:39:02,400 --> 02:39:05,520
Well, I'd like to get that
anecdote about to $12 versus

2650
02:39:05,520 --> 02:39:10,560
$1,200. It was printed somewhere
somebody published that.

2651
02:39:11,130 --> 02:39:16,290
This was sent to us by one of
our doctor producers. And I can

2652
02:39:16,770 --> 02:39:19,890
forwarded to afford you the
email because he turned me on to

2653
02:39:19,890 --> 02:39:23,610
this, of course. And he's been
listening that long. He's like,

2654
02:39:23,610 --> 02:39:27,210
hey, remember you were talking
about that? Guess what? Here it

2655
02:39:27,540 --> 02:39:27,990
is.

2656
02:39:29,460 --> 02:39:31,620
So ahead of the curve, so some
of

2657
02:39:31,620 --> 02:39:35,490
these so now I have to figure
out you know, let's say you

2658
02:39:35,490 --> 02:39:38,310
know, the world shuts down in
October I have to figure out how

2659
02:39:38,310 --> 02:39:49,050
to extract the pig hormones. To
save my wife I have to learn how

2660
02:39:49,050 --> 02:39:52,530
to do this. That's really sad.
You know, it's scary when you

2661
02:39:52,530 --> 02:39:55,500
think that you know you have you
need a certain type of something

2662
02:39:55,500 --> 02:39:56,970
to basically stay alive.

2663
02:40:01,500 --> 02:40:05,940
Interesting. What's the deal
with I got this clip? President

2664
02:40:05,940 --> 02:40:07,680
plugging kayak? What is this?

2665
02:40:08,340 --> 02:40:10,050
Yeah, I heard about you and your
friends and

2666
02:40:10,050 --> 02:40:13,320
your family and your co workers
can get covered to just visit

2667
02:40:13,320 --> 02:40:16,410
healthcare.gov. And there you
can compare insurance plans side

2668
02:40:16,410 --> 02:40:20,010
by side, the same way you'd shop
for a plane ticket on Kayak for

2669
02:40:20,010 --> 02:40:21,060
a TV on Amazon.

2670
02:40:21,150 --> 02:40:24,660
Let me tell you, if Amazon was
running the health care stuff,

2671
02:40:24,660 --> 02:40:25,530
it would work.

2672
02:40:28,080 --> 02:40:31,140
So I got some one glass clip,
I'll play and then I'm probably

2673
02:40:31,140 --> 02:40:34,320
I can remove these other ones to
Sunday. But I do think we need

2674
02:40:34,320 --> 02:40:36,330
to play this because this is
seems to be somewhat

2675
02:40:36,360 --> 02:40:39,450
underreported. And of course
Siri is not being discussed,

2676
02:40:39,450 --> 02:40:42,210
because everyone's all up in
arms about the government

2677
02:40:42,210 --> 02:40:45,870
shutdown, or at least they're
talking about it to access. I

2678
02:40:45,870 --> 02:40:48,030
mean, how much analysis do we
need it this thing where you

2679
02:40:48,030 --> 02:40:51,570
every news show is just talking
about this one thing, when this

2680
02:40:51,570 --> 02:40:56,100
particular thing about Syria
kind of goes under the radar, I

2681
02:40:56,100 --> 02:40:57,840
have to see it on Democracy Now.

2682
02:40:58,920 --> 02:41:02,880
The US and its allies are facing
what could be a major setback

2683
02:41:02,880 --> 02:41:06,390
and efforts to influence the
outcome of Syria's civil war. A

2684
02:41:06,390 --> 02:41:10,560
coalition of Syrian rebel groups
is openly split with the Western

2685
02:41:10,560 --> 02:41:14,880
back foreign opposition and a
joint statement 13 armed rebel

2686
02:41:14,880 --> 02:41:18,540
factions, including units of the
Free Syrian Army said they

2687
02:41:18,540 --> 02:41:21,840
reject the authority of the
turkey based National Coalition

2688
02:41:21,870 --> 02:41:24,690
which is backed by countries
including the US and Saudi

2689
02:41:24,690 --> 02:41:29,370
Arabia. The new front has dubbed
itself the Islamist Alliance and

2690
02:41:29,370 --> 02:41:32,340
claims to represent three
quarters of the armed rebels

2691
02:41:32,340 --> 02:41:36,600
fighting the Assad regime. The
Alliance's lead signatory is the

2692
02:41:36,630 --> 02:41:40,050
illness or a front and al Qaeda
linked group deemed a terrorist

2693
02:41:40,050 --> 02:41:42,420
organization by the United
States.

2694
02:41:45,030 --> 02:41:48,300
Ha yeah. Are they

2695
02:41:48,930 --> 02:41:50,550
are they verified on Twitter
though?

2696
02:41:51,750 --> 02:41:53,640
They'll be given their messages
on Twitter.

2697
02:41:54,630 --> 02:41:57,900
I can't even get verified by
Twitter yet. Twitter verifies al

2698
02:41:57,900 --> 02:42:00,570
Shabaab and al Qaeda and
everybody verify

2699
02:42:00,570 --> 02:42:06,660
al Shabaab over there and grab
them I have a clip

2700
02:42:06,900 --> 02:42:10,050
synthol cetera actually did a
study on this. And what they

2701
02:42:10,050 --> 02:42:13,440
found is that Twitter helped
spur a 30% growth in online

2702
02:42:13,440 --> 02:42:18,300
forums for hate and terrorism
over the past year 20,000 what

2703
02:42:18,300 --> 02:42:20,850
they called hates viewing
hashtags.

2704
02:42:21,150 --> 02:42:24,900
Nice one, by the way, I wish I
had come up with that hate

2705
02:42:24,900 --> 02:42:26,610
spewing hashtags.

2706
02:42:26,670 --> 02:42:30,900
And handles appeared on Twitter
of 5000 from the year before, up

2707
02:42:30,900 --> 02:42:35,250
5000 I don't even know how you
monitor that breath of activity.

2708
02:42:35,250 --> 02:42:37,500
It's very, very tough. And
that's one of the most

2709
02:42:37,500 --> 02:42:39,870
challenging things not just for
us, but actually also for

2710
02:42:39,870 --> 02:42:43,410
terrorist groups is that who is
the real representative of the

2711
02:42:43,410 --> 02:42:46,380
group on Twitter because Twitter
doesn't validate accounts from

2712
02:42:46,380 --> 02:42:49,770
al Qaeda or Shabaab? So if
someone goes on there and says

2713
02:42:49,770 --> 02:42:53,340
that their Shabaab Mujahideen or
their al Qaeda how do we really

2714
02:42:53,340 --> 02:42:56,280
know they are who they say they
are and you and I talk during

2715
02:42:56,280 --> 02:42:59,190
the whole Kenya incident because
they kept shutting down their

2716
02:42:59,190 --> 02:43:01,440
Twitter account and a new one
would open they'd shut it down

2717
02:43:01,440 --> 02:43:03,930
they'd open it I think it
happened five or six times How

2718
02:43:03,930 --> 02:43:06,930
do you know if this really is
who's inside that building? And

2719
02:43:06,930 --> 02:43:09,660
look and one of the accounts
that popped up really does look

2720
02:43:09,660 --> 02:43:11,550
like it was a copycat account
created

2721
02:43:12,360 --> 02:43:14,820
here comes because they're going
to tell you how they how would

2722
02:43:14,820 --> 02:43:16,860
they know it was proved fact?
Yeah,

2723
02:43:17,100 --> 02:43:20,340
but look, there are ways of
validating this and so for

2724
02:43:20,340 --> 02:43:23,880
instance, last week and account
that claim to be as Shabaab

2725
02:43:24,060 --> 02:43:27,000
released an original audio
recording of the leader

2726
02:43:27,150 --> 02:43:30,000
than original audio recording
novellas as Shabaab.

2727
02:43:30,000 --> 02:43:32,520
So presumably if you're
releasing that kind of

2728
02:43:32,520 --> 02:43:35,700
information, that's validating
the authenticity and

2729
02:43:35,700 --> 02:43:38,070
unfortunately look, if you look
at the number of followers

2730
02:43:39,390 --> 02:43:42,060
you're talking about 1000s and
1000s of followers nevermind

2731
02:43:42,060 --> 02:43:44,670
people that are just browsing
across this normally, so it

2732
02:43:44,670 --> 02:43:51,750
really does increase their reach
pretty dramatically on the best

2733
02:43:51,750 --> 02:43:53,220
podcast in the universe,

2734
02:43:53,250 --> 02:43:55,770
that's right everybody. You
heard it right here fact

2735
02:43:56,190 --> 02:43:58,800
that's a good one who gave you
that? That's from Flash Gordon.

2736
02:43:59,040 --> 02:44:04,440
Yes, very good. I do have the
original one. I thought it

2737
02:44:04,440 --> 02:44:12,450
wasn't clear this. Here's the
original podcast I made it three

2738
02:44:12,450 --> 02:44:14,760
times I thought it was because
otherwise you don't really know

2739
02:44:14,760 --> 02:44:18,420
what they're saying fact you'd
like which one do you like

2740
02:44:19,230 --> 02:44:21,900
I stick with your judgment on
this I would go with the fact

2741
02:44:21,900 --> 02:44:27,840
fact back on the best podcast

2742
02:44:30,660 --> 02:44:33,810
sorry people that we do not we
know nothing. Report shot fire

2743
02:44:33,810 --> 02:44:36,840
to Capitol Hill Capitol Police
shelter in place there is

2744
02:44:36,960 --> 02:44:39,690
shelter in place an order was
given under the Capitol speaker

2745
02:44:39,690 --> 02:44:43,620
system the giant voice system
oh, let's do it. Let's do it.

2746
02:44:46,500 --> 02:44:50,850
Ladies and gentlemen, time to
shelter in place, resumed normal

2747
02:44:50,850 --> 02:44:59,370
activity after sheltering in
place. cower in the corner No

2748
02:44:59,370 --> 02:45:02,190
wonder I will Wonder I want you
to watch CNN live to Well, we'll

2749
02:45:02,190 --> 02:45:05,040
see them let me watch live. Oh,
that's interesting. This is

2750
02:45:05,040 --> 02:45:08,820
coordinated is what they do they
do this well do they go to?

2751
02:45:08,850 --> 02:45:13,080
You're allowed to watch live?
Yeah, sure. Oh, no, no, no, no,

2752
02:45:13,080 --> 02:45:15,480
no. Select your TV service
provider.

2753
02:45:16,320 --> 02:45:21,600
Oh, yeah on the net. Yeah. Yeah.
So I got a funny story. I played

2754
02:45:21,600 --> 02:45:26,280
the Tesla clip. This is
hilarious. Wait. I think I know

2755
02:45:26,280 --> 02:45:30,240
what this is. Come on. Come on.
Come on. David go.

2756
02:45:30,540 --> 02:45:34,680
One of Tesla's electric cars
caught fire today. No shows us

2757
02:45:34,680 --> 02:45:38,550
the flames, the damage to the
car and the resulting damage to

2758
02:45:38,550 --> 02:45:43,950
the company stock. As a brand
new car to the camera man. It's

2759
02:45:43,950 --> 02:45:47,610
just another car fire on the
freeway near Seattle. I could

2760
02:45:47,610 --> 02:45:51,090
feel the heat in here until he
realizes what's burning. Or as a

2761
02:45:51,090 --> 02:45:52,830
Tesla do the Tesla driver.

2762
02:45:53,580 --> 02:45:57,810
He stretching metal Tesla. craps
on fire mastery.

2763
02:45:58,080 --> 02:46:02,250
The car warned him to pull over
he did and escaped. Okay. The

2764
02:46:02,250 --> 02:46:06,270
$70,000 car then burst into
flames. Firefighters had a bit

2765
02:46:06,270 --> 02:46:09,450
of trouble putting it out. They
had to flip the car on its side

2766
02:46:09,480 --> 02:46:12,540
then use a circular saw to cut
into the battery housing and

2767
02:46:12,540 --> 02:46:16,230
douse the flames. The only thing
that got hurt was Tesla's stock

2768
02:46:16,230 --> 02:46:21,210
price Tesla trades on this
perception of perfection. People

2769
02:46:21,210 --> 02:46:24,360
have this image of the Tesla
like it's so perfect that it

2770
02:46:24,360 --> 02:46:27,090
can't fail. A tech analyst Rob
Andrew Lee says the stock had

2771
02:46:27,090 --> 02:46:30,510
already been downgraded and news
of the fire burst their bubble

2772
02:46:30,570 --> 02:46:32,790
the problem here is the
perception is so far ahead of

2773
02:46:32,790 --> 02:46:35,400
reality that when you have a
problem like this, it tends to

2774
02:46:35,400 --> 02:46:38,370
adjust that something closer to
reality so it just means that

2775
02:46:38,640 --> 02:46:42,030
the stock is overvalued and the
end result is when you have a

2776
02:46:42,030 --> 02:46:44,220
problem like this the market
will overreact is

2777
02:46:44,220 --> 02:46:46,680
this thing trading like 100
times earnings or something?

2778
02:46:49,650 --> 02:46:52,560
Anyway way the best the key to
this whole thing is the bullcrap

2779
02:46:52,560 --> 02:46:55,230
you get from the PR girl. Yeah.
Yeah. Here

2780
02:46:55,230 --> 02:46:58,560
in the shiny black is the
underside of that battery

2781
02:46:58,590 --> 02:47:01,920
casing. This Tesla training
video made for firefighters

2782
02:47:01,920 --> 02:47:05,190
offers a glimpse of the smooth
underbelly to high energy

2783
02:47:05,190 --> 02:47:08,850
lithium ion battery runs the
length of the car. Engineers are

2784
02:47:08,850 --> 02:47:12,270
now looking at the data and the
onboard computer for clues as to

2785
02:47:12,270 --> 02:47:16,500
what might have happened. Kiddo.
KPI x five. Tesla was just

2786
02:47:16,500 --> 02:47:19,590
ranked the safest car in America
tonight. A company spokeswoman

2787
02:47:19,590 --> 02:47:23,010
says every indication is that
the fire was the result of the

2788
02:47:23,010 --> 02:47:25,560
collision and the damage the car
sustained.

2789
02:47:25,860 --> 02:47:31,590
One collision. It was no
collision. I just read this

2790
02:47:31,590 --> 02:47:33,900
right off the prompter. I was
because of the collision. What

2791
02:47:33,930 --> 02:47:37,320
there was no collision. That guy
ran over a piece of metal or

2792
02:47:37,320 --> 02:47:40,890
something. The car told him to
pull over and get out which I

2793
02:47:40,890 --> 02:47:44,190
think was great if that's true.
Yeah. And then the car blew up.

2794
02:47:44,610 --> 02:47:45,540
Where's the collusion?

2795
02:47:46,740 --> 02:47:51,150
Well, he could technically
report technically he collided

2796
02:47:51,150 --> 02:47:52,740
into into a paper bag.

2797
02:47:54,150 --> 02:47:56,670
I mean, this is what really
galls me when you watch these

2798
02:47:56,670 --> 02:48:00,540
news. You know, these news
reports. I know. The facts are

2799
02:48:00,540 --> 02:48:03,270
right in front of them. And then
they steal whatever the PR

2800
02:48:03,270 --> 02:48:07,560
person says they they spew it.
It's unbelievable. Okay,

2801
02:48:07,590 --> 02:48:10,560
anyways, it's been done. I'll

2802
02:48:10,560 --> 02:48:15,450
tell you what, we have a show on
Sunday. I think I'd like to get

2803
02:48:15,450 --> 02:48:19,650
to the to the Batcave right now
and start looking for whatever

2804
02:48:19,650 --> 02:48:23,190
is being we're being distracted
from right now. With this

2805
02:48:23,220 --> 02:48:27,270
Capitol shooting Yeah, and I
still see that we've we've done

2806
02:48:27,270 --> 02:48:32,370
the show. I think we've we've
definitely we put in the hours.

2807
02:48:33,720 --> 02:48:36,240
So we will try to get you
another newsletter which will be

2808
02:48:36,240 --> 02:48:40,650
filled with facts. And no
commenting. Please no commenting

2809
02:48:40,650 --> 02:48:43,650
on the newsletter. You don't
want you ruining our

2810
02:48:43,650 --> 02:48:45,030
conspiracies ruining

2811
02:48:45,030 --> 02:48:48,060
ruining everything ruining it.
You're ruining science, it

2812
02:48:48,060 --> 02:48:49,350
doesn't need calm ruining

2813
02:48:49,350 --> 02:48:53,280
for the rest of everybody you
trolls. Alright, hey chatroom,

2814
02:48:53,280 --> 02:48:55,140
thanks for hanging in there.
Those of you who are able to

2815
02:48:55,140 --> 02:49:00,090
thank you avoid zero Mr. oils or
get most slave for hooking up

2816
02:49:00,090 --> 02:49:03,930
alternate routes. So at least
the second half of the show was

2817
02:49:05,100 --> 02:49:10,710
was streamable due to the fiber
cuts and God knows what's going

2818
02:49:10,710 --> 02:49:14,370
on it, you know, it's it's the
furloughs, it's the shutdowns,

2819
02:49:14,400 --> 02:49:18,570
it's happening. And go to the
shownotes 553 dot n a show

2820
02:49:18,570 --> 02:49:21,240
notes.com You will not be
disappointed when you see all of

2821
02:49:21,240 --> 02:49:25,860
the market documents that we
have in there for you. So

2822
02:49:25,860 --> 02:49:29,970
monitoring JT 65 on 20 meters,
you know where to find me. Okay,

2823
02:49:29,970 --> 02:49:32,280
a five SLN in the morning,
everybody. I'm Adam curry.

2824
02:49:33,630 --> 02:49:38,940
And I'm Kevin Johnson.
Nevermind. I'm John C. Dvorak in

2825
02:49:38,940 --> 02:49:40,080
northern Silicon Valley.

2826
02:49:40,349 --> 02:49:42,749
We'll talk to you again on
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2827
02:49:42,749 --> 02:49:47,369
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to you then right here on no

2828
02:49:47,369 --> 02:49:47,849
agenda.

2829
02:49:55,410 --> 02:49:59,010
Hello, police. I like to report
a buzz kill in progress.

2830
02:50:00,000 --> 02:50:05,760
hey.org/n A