I hit it. Adam curry, John C.
Dvorak. Number 14 2013 Time for you to get my nation media
assassination episode 565. This is no agenda fishing for
herring. Here at the Travis heights hot out and FEMA Region
six. Austin teh house in the morning, everybody. I'm Adam
curry
and from Northern Silicon Valley where it's finally gotten a
little bit cold lows expected to hit the 60s. I'm John C. Dvorak.
Wow, John, how about a precipitation report?
I just noticed that the weather around the country is pretty
bad. But so I thought I'd make people feel better.
It's chilly here too. I mean, all of a sudden, we got a cold
front. It's just you know, it's like, oh, 40s During the day,
and it froze two days ago.
Nice night. Yeah.
It is nice.
Not the case out here. In fact, this is the first time said
where there's 1890. There was a problem. And but 95 I think
there's one where we haven't had any rain at all, which we
usually have a little bit by now.
You know, I'm thinking I was going to hold off on this. But
maybe since you started with the, with the historical stuff,
maybe I should just just hit you with it straight on. Because I
think unless you already know about it, I personally am very,
very upset about this kid. Can
I make a quick guess? Sure. You've become a warmest?
No. In fact, we had dinner with some very famous Austin people
who, who ran, who has run several restaurants, but they
ran Jeffries, which is a famous Austin staple. And they sold it
like two years ago, but they still own a piece. And so they
invited us to dinner there. And and these know, they're like in
their late 60s. At a certain point, I'm just like, you know,
we're going towards global cooling, don't you? And it was
cool, because they were like, you know, that doesn't sound too
crazy. Because, you know, if you walk eastward long enough,
eventually you're heading west. Oh my Wow, that's so deep. It
makes so much sense. But no, that's not it. John. From
Hartman, what thumb Hartman has stolen your idea. And he has
usurped you. And I'm upset. I'm upset because that he stolen the
idea. I'm upset because, you know, we've been talking about
your idea for I don't know, five years. And he came out with it
with the cycle book.
Oh, no, that's his book. It says, yeah, it's missing too
much information. I saw that that's a that's a
Can I listen, can we listen to a little clip of him with with all
the bragging about his cycle? Is his crash book, his crash book,
here he is with the with Amy Goodman on democracy sometimes
title is the crash of 2016. Why 2016?
Well, we're actually in this crash. And it really started to
that.
I just want to hear your commentary because you're
pissed. I know you're pissed that his book is out six, when
the housing market started falling apart, just like in 1927
when the housing market fell apart, and that crash lasted you
see you also when your book comes out, John, you've got to
talk like that, too. When are they gonna have the passion, you
got to have that kind of like that snooty kind of talking with
your with your your teeth clenched thing quite some time
as Hoover did nothing. Now we have a situation where it's not
just do nothing. Obama was successful in the first few
months of his administration and putting enough of a bandaid on
it that they're holding this back with baling wire and bubble
gum.
But Bush had hoped he saw that
the Bush administration had hoped this is actually what he
says here is something interesting, which I want to ask
you about. It sounds kind of like a like it could be possible
that they could wait until November of 2008. So it'd be
after the election. So it wouldn't hurt the Republican
candidates.
He was unsuccessful. The Obama administration is now because
they're not doing the real structural change necessary.
They're hoping they can push it off to 2016. And that's why we
chose that date. There's an enormous amount of effort in our
government and in the Fed to try to hold us off. Does that
make sense, John, that I mean, if you're a cycle guy, and
there's plenty of them in the government, and and I would
think I believe Bernanke is one of them. You would have expected
the whole thing to collapse in 2009. Anyway, so there was no
way I mean, it was pushing itself off that housing deal
from truth that the early 2000s I mean, that bubble had started
to form very early on Yeah, and I think that it caught it I
think the whole thing collapsed on it caught him off guard that
what what specifically he doesn't say this, but what
specifically were they doing to kick the can down the road? They
were nothing there. You can't cite me? He's just making this
up because he hates bush.
Well, but I have to say he's out there. He cites all the
previous, you know, he cites the 40 years and the 80 years
without saying or 40 years, but I know the dates by now I've
heard you use them so often. But the thing that that I, that is
wrong, is that and I don't think I have this clip, but Amy
Goodman says, so what can we do to avoid it? And he has all
these answers. And I'm like, no, no, no, no, no, it's
understanding professor in the in the Nobel laureate, Professor
Dvorak, the cycle comes just like the sun rises and sets you
can't stop it. Right? It's there's no stopping.
No, there's things you can do. There's BandAids, like
quantitative easing, easing, which pushes, which does push it
off, but that could eventually the economy still falls apart.
And ya know, they think that you can do anything about this. I
mean, for one thing, here's what gets me first you, you, you, you
subscribe to this. This is what is the problem with this book is
if you subscribe to the cycle theory at all, you subscribe to
the cycle theory, right? And theory is, as you said, it's
like the sun coming up and down. It's nothing new. What can we do
to prevent the sun to guide just like being a native in Africa?
What are we gonna do to stop the sun? Don't look close your eyes.
You know, that kind of thing.
So what is nice though, what I liked it, you know, to your
benefit. Is that halfway through the interview, then Tom Hartman
goes completely insane about global warming. And you've got
it.
You've got to hear this. Oh, it's this money. This is
so insane what he's about to say here. I mean, I've heard some
crazy things. But this one really, really takes the king
what about
the issue of climate change that you also focus on interests me
video about how this fits into the coming crash of two
of 2006. So the by the way, climate change is a part of the
coming crash. Apparently, this is all absolutely
a cycle. And somehow climate change gets involved.
Exactly. It's a part of it. It's another stressor. It's a
stressor, John, it's just another stressor
there it's
a very, very significant stressor. And the video that we
just
did last hours he's promoting this video which you have to
watch which is over last hours.org or last time you got
to talk about that this is just the video we just added to your
last hour we're gonna hug you're maxed out you're glad that we
point out it's Tom within the thing that the IPCC is not
talking about right now. And scientists are people are
hysterical about it. Yes. Scientists are hysterical about
us there are very concerned about is that there are
trillions of tonnes of methane hydrate, nothing frozen up in
ice in the Arctic and around continental shelves. Okay, now
you gotta listen to this. So he's saying there's the
scientists that IPC is not talking about this, because you
know, I'm sure they don't want to scare anybody. But the
scientists all
they want to do. That's why it makes no sense. Problem is they
can't dig there's like, here's the here's what he won't talk
about. Wait, you gotta hear it. Wait, don't? Well, yeah, you're
gonna play it for the audience. I've already heard this, by the
way, this clip. Okay, I just want to play it because it has
surprised me because I've watched this whole thing. Oh,
I'm so
disappointed. Well, I'm sure the audience missed this find
Democracy Now interview. I'm sure they all missed it. And so
there's trillions of cubic tonnes of of methane just
waiting to erupt from underneath the polar caps. If that melts,
melts, then there will be a sudden global warming is sudden,
like, all of a sudden, we're gonna be burning out when you
look at the five past extinctions in the planet earth.
Oh, John. He has now studied the five past extinctions. I guess
he has a DVD or something he reviewed every single one was
triggered by one of these methane releases know what, what
happened? What happened to like, asteroids? I never heard every
single one of the five I can't even Can you name five previous
back, you have to go back sanctions. Now, please, to every
single one of them was triggered by one of these methane
releases. Okay.
Now he's just making it up as you can now he's like acting
like a 12 year old. Just throwing stuff out there making
it up.
This is where it gets funny. That is the worst case scenario.
We're hopeful that we can. How does Arctic drilling fit into
that? Because, of course, the Greenpeace, the Arctic 30 The 28
Greenpeace activists and the two journalists who are now being
shipped across Russia jailed. They were protesting Russia
engaging in Arctic drilling. Yeah, yeah. Oh, I'm sorry. We
forgot to mention the Arctic 30 plus two journalists who were
protesting drilling. Yeah. Protesting Russian drilling.
Yeah, maybe but not American drillings. And we're also on the
edge of doing that same thing in other countries as well. The
NASA right now has an experiment called curve Car. John, have you
heard of NASA's CAR, CAR experiment CAR, CAR carbon
Arctic reservoir vulnerability experiment carbon Arctic
reservoir vulnerability experiment and we have a nice
acronym called car. In our video, we have Charles Miller,
one of the head research on charge. Glenn Miller, what is
he trying to win? And he's trying to trying to outdo Al
Gore and make money on a
movie. Not only that, he believes that, John, you can
just be sitting there just like he pointed out to us that
there's over there quite shows I've got Glenn Miller's brother
doing this a trillion tonnes of methane in the Arctic. All
right. Now here it comes. Here is the kicker as we end this
clip, how are these trillions of tonnes of methane going to be
let free? The answer may surprise you. On the next Inside
addition, maybe as much as two and two and change, two and
change in the Arctic worldwide, somewhere between four and 7
trillion tonnes to trigger an extinction might take as little
as one to 2 trillion tonnes being released. So when you do
away with the ice sheet, and then you and the Arctic Ocean is
rather shallow, frankly. And then you start running ships
through there that are stirring the warm waters in you're
playing with fire.
Blender.
Guys, unbelievable. And he should have stuck with the
crash. 2016 he had me there. But then he took me down this path.
And as weird
these guys are like, so they're kind of brain damaged. Yeah,
they can't they seem to be on the right track. Yeah. And then
they just go off the track. And to some, you know, these, these
preconceived? Are these, these legis created little worlds that
just boggle their own? I mean, I think it's short. And again,
I've talked about this before. I think a lot of these people have
their brains are short circuited by contradictory information.
Oh, in a cycle be stopped. It's a contradictory thought. Yeah,
it makes him go numb. We had dinner. Was it? What is today's
Thursday? So we had dinner on Tuesday night with the Obama
bought friends of ours, the ones who won't have dinner with
Republicans. So now this is the one that you always are
interested in.
I'm interested in all of them. But this vicariously through
dinner after dinner.
So Mickey found this new place, which is kind of like a big
dance hall. But it was interesting and that the food
was was actually quite nice. But I discovered something new. And
I discovered that if you go all in on the Obama bot about
Hillary, it makes them very uncomfortable and nervous. And
here's how I did it. Okay, totally. So of course, politics
came up. And so who do you think, you know, you're going to
run against Hillary and I thought he was talking about
Republicans and like, they got no buddies. There's nobody who
can run against who can beat Hillary? No, no, no. I mean,
from the Democratic Party, the Democratic Party, typically, who
gave throw Biden in there, he's branded, no one cares, just
anyone who will just be easy. And he got really like, no, no,
no, I think we know we, I said Hillary is uniquely qualified to
run our empire. And this is the this is, this is what throws
them off. You've got to throw the Empire word in there. But if
you say, you cannot argue Hillary Clinton is uniquely
qualified to run our empire. And it got well, maybe we should
bring in one of the Castro brothers. What, what accounting
of the Castro brothers or the Castro brothers are
the Castro brothers from Cuba? Well, you
have one of the Castro brothers is the I think he's the mayor of
San Antonio.
And so these are different candidates for Castro's Yeah.
And his brother was also in politics. And you watch because
this guy is kind of on the I suspect him of being a huge
donor to the to the party and more involved than he lets on
electron to me at least. I think that they're probably going to
and it would be great to get a Latino Texan on the ticket with
Hillary would be very interesting.
That's an interesting ploy. The only
problem with this guy apparently is he doesn't speak Spanish.
Like oh my god, well, you can take some Spanish lessons or
start learning Yeah, but I thought that was I thought was
okay, that's interesting. But that's an aside. Back to climate
change for a minute. Okay.
Well, I have the one climate change clip, as I cut it down as
much as I could. The guy in which they made a big deal. They
played this guy's entire five minute speech on Democracy Now,
you know, because they had agreed to have thumb on on Yeah,
this is the guy in the Philippines who's decided to go
on a hunger strike until people start to cough up Green Climate
Fund might give you start to contribute or do something now
that I'd never heard of the Green Climate Fund.
He's he's in the fellow. He's here. He was part of the typhoon
days a
typhoon survivor. And he was talking to, I guess they brought
him to some I couldn't tell. But they brought him to some other
country. And he was testifying about the typhoon. And this is
kind of what how it went.
We've seen Lee he refused to allow Mr. President, if you will
allow me I wish to speak on a more personal note supertyphoon
high and perhaps unknown to many here, made landfall in my own
family's hometown, in the devastation. This time
staggering. These last two days, there are moments when I feel
that I should rally behind climate advocates who peacefully
confront those historical responsible for the current
state of our climate. The selfless people who fight coal,
expose themselves to freezing temperatures, or black oil
pipelines. In fact, we are seeing increasing frustration,
and thus more increased civil disobedience. The next two
weeks, these people and many around the world to serve as our
conscience will again remind us of this enormous responsibility
to the youth here who constantly remind us that their future is
in peril, the climate heroes who risked their life reputation
personal liberties, to stop drilling in polar regions into
those communities standing up to unsustainable and climate
disrupting this guy
and just your regular Filipino victim. Because you don't
seem like and he's reading this Bible, is
this from is this over to COVID-19 and Warsaw, is this
where he was doing this? Or is he actually even
though this is the only weak spot of this particular clip,
but wherever he declared he was going to go on a fast until the
until the Green Climate Fund got some attention?
Well, this is what's interesting is that this typhoon happened
right in the middle of kop 19 which is the you know, the the
big climate powwow?
Yeah, this must be where he is. This
energy we stand with them. We cannot solve problems at the
same level of awareness that created them. As Dr. pachadi
alluded Weinstein earlier now even can pronounce Charlie's
name, we cannot solve climate change when we seek to spew more
emissions. Sir president and I express this with all sincerity,
in solidarity with my countrymen who are struggling to find food
back home, and with my brother who has not had food for the
last three days with all due respect, Mr. President, and I
mean, no disrespect for your kind hospitality. I will now
commence a voluntary fasting for the climate. This means I will
voluntary refrain from eating food during this call until
outcomes inside until concrete pledges have been made to ensure
mobilisation of resources for the Green Climate Fund. We
cannot afford a fourth cup with an empty GCF.
Okay. Okay, here's what I'm thinking, you know, the Asians
are so reticent to actually be critical. Apparently the food at
COP is so bad. This is his way, always apologising so much.
I'm so sorry, but I just can't eat this crap. This food is so
bad
in the commissary that this is his way then with all the
apologies, Mr. President, I can't eat this food anymore. I'm
going on a fast and that's the way he if it was an American who
said hey, the food sucks. This is no you can't do that in Asia.
So this this whole thing
happened in the Philippines. And and my mind immediately went
when I when I realised this was taking place in the middle of
cop 19. In Warsaw, my mind immediately went to state of
fear Michael Creighton's book like, Okay, this could be
interesting. And how, you know, we were just waiting for it. And
of course, you know, people are now coming out and saying, well,
obviously this is this is due to climate change. It's just no two
other ways about it. And and we've got to throw in like
George Clooney, who immediately threw in a meme, which he's
jacked up from 95 to 99. Now, well, it's just a stupid
argument.
I mean, you're whether or not this particular storm is anyone,
if you have 99% of doctors who tell you you are sick, and 1%
that says that you're fine. You probably want to hang out with a
check it up for the 99 You know what I mean? I the idea that we
ignore it, that we're interested I'm way involved in climate
change is ridiculous. What's the worst thing that happens? You
know, we we clean up the earth a little bit. And you know, and
yeah, I find this to be the most ridiculous argument ever
that poor George because he really messed up what he was
saying there he even said the idea where he have some climate
change is ridiculous. He couldn't even get that outright.
But the metaphor is all wrong. Because if 99% of my doctor say
I'm going to die, I'm gonna hang on to that 1% guy who says,
Look, I got this thing over here. Don't worry about it. I'm,
I'm on here, I'm gonna be sitting on his doorstep every
single day to give me hope. So that is the nine that would what
used to be the 95%. And I've heard this literal meme. If 95%
of the doctor said you're sick, you're gonna believe the 5%?
Well, I think the metaphor is wrong. Because yes, I'm gonna
believe that 5% Then we have of course, the interesting case of
you know, there's
so many budgets to interrupt you. There's so many Nobel
Prizes and other effective was one just recently, I wish I
could remember the details. Where one guy in a crowd, one
lone physicist, would say, now that I think is this it's this
way, this is the way these things work. In this situation,
I You're full of crap. And he just dogs on and next thing you
know, it's 25 years later, he's proven right? It's a standing
ovation. And the whole thing, this is this, you know, unless
there's never a consensus about any of this stuff, and that's
what science that's what makes science so interesting sciences
in the sciences never in that's the thing you have to realise.
Well,
you don't have to tell me that because you know, science.
All right now. So what I find interesting is what is the what
is the first thing we do? And I had to go back and look at the
map just to understand that it dawned on me immediately,
please, if you're listening to this podcast, and you have the
opportunity, go to the maps.google.com. And just look
at the Philippines and tell me where it is, and then say, hmm,
maybe that's why we sent our nuclear powered United States
ship George Washington aircraft carrier to go and help out.
Yeah, how convenient that we're now in the sea of China. Like,
Japan wasn't close enough. Oh, we're a little bit closer. We're
over there, where the Chinese had been working on oil deals
with malignant Manila. And wouldn't it this is not we're
not sending an aircraft carrier to help. We're sending an
aircraft carrier to guard to make sure that no one else
weasels in now, here's the conspiracy theory, which came
out almost immediately and I thought was very interesting.
Although I'd looked at all the YouTube videos if you maybe
someone sent you the link from this guy Dutch sense, I think is
his name on YouTube. Maybe and he has all these charts and
graphs from God knows where and yeah, I'm sure. I'm sure it's
all really really well researched. And he shows where
the microwave blast caused the caused the storm. And he shows
it on the map. And then he shows what microwaves look like on on
a radio spectrum which that's where it fell apart for me
because I'm looking here at five five megahertz on in the ham
band you're showing a software defined radio from like SDR
web.com or something so that's where you full of crap. But the
idea the idea because you know, we just a couple of weeks ago we
were trying to get more bases in the Philippines and the
Filipinos like man you know, thank you man. I think that's so
important that you have these bases of course we occupied the
Philippines at one point and the Philippines very important you
know, we get what we get from the semiconductors. What other
stuff do we get from the Philippines? Y'all must be
tonnes of stuff.
Well, the main thing nowadays is call centres Well
hey. Very important. I'm sure there's more than just call
centres Yeah, that
was not really that important to us. I
thought semiconductors was really big. We can do without
them we
Malaysia is where most of those coming from
China is there enough oil for to be interesting to China Sure.
Thoughts. Yeah,
I'm not seeing that unless there's something we don't know
about but I haven't seen it
how about just a strategic geographic location of the
Philippines?
I think you know, if you're if you're gonna go toward here is
this some sort of weather
modification and I'm I'm actually debunking that because
I know that's in
his case, but it's possible that there's a storm that forms and
you want to make it bigger, give it a little little boost. You
might want to drop a bunch of silver nitrate on it or whatever
night isn't nitrate, nitrate nitrate and you know, just a
pump it up a little bit because it did go into it with Pastor
the Philippines who cares and then it blasted and hit the
Vietnam coast and went up into China to some pretty interesting
areas. So I don't know, I have no idea what the point of this
was there. There's been these typhoons. Here's what bothers
me. These Typhoons are commonly are common to this time of year
and to that region, this part of the world, and they've been
going on forever. I was in one in Taiwan once and I'm it's it's
really astonishing how much rain comes down. I mean, you can't
it's you can't walk. It's you can't believe how much rain is
also the one step outside. You are so
it's it's the monsoon season?
Is that what it is? Yeah. The monsoon season? Yeah, I've
been in Thailand when that hit and that's, that's pretty
serious. I mean, not with the winds. Yeah, it's very wet. It's
okay, you know, nothing can stop, stop there, this water.
So, and we tried to look up, for example, you go to the
Wikipedia, and you look up typhoons in the Philippines and
you trying to find some historic ones, there was a monster in
1911. There was another big one in 1967. So I mean, these are
all pretty dated, but there has to be stuff that goes way before
that. And there's there's really no record. But you have to
assume that this is, is not that one shot deal. This never had
nothing like this has never happened before, which is what
always bothers me because we very rarely covered these
typhoons that hit the
Asia but now we'd have now we have the now we have the climate
change via
we got climate change now. So every little thing that happens
anywhere yeah, is focused on and then you use it as leverage for
climate change. Here's
what here's what Erin Burnett did on her show. I found this to
be quite bizarre what she I cut it down to like a minute 15
Because it was five minute segment and they went to the
their 3d studio. You know where that that guy who's apparently
the only one? They're still doing that? Yeah, he's the only
guy who knows how to run the 3d studio, I guess. And he was
showing us well, this setup. So what
if a supertyphoon like high end hit the United States?
That's the question. That's what we need to know. We don't care
about the Filipinos.
When did American, I'm gonna stop for just one second to
bring up a point. Canadian news, which I always listen to when
I'm up north and Canadian news for decades. When I started
listening 1020 years ago, was notorious for every news story
was, oh, San Francisco had an earthquake. What would it be
like? If it was? What would it be like if it was here? And I
always said, This is so lame. They can't just report the news.
What happened? They always have to bring it to Canada. Oh, what
would happen if it was in Canada? We don't care. Now.
But this, but when you hear what they did on this one? I mean, it
was like Do we really have nothing else to say I guess
Anderson Cooper was still on route to be boots on the ground
or something we couldn't get a live shot or something or just
wasn't interesting enough. To give you
an idea. As I showed you that was the superimposed image. But
when you're talking about some of these,
they're showing they're showing the East Coast of America with
with the with the radar image of the typhoon now off the east
coast of America and speeds
235 miles an hour. That that is there's nothing been any
anything like that. That's a Category Five of epic
proportions. Katrina hit, of course, much, much weaker than
that. I believe that 120 miles an hour. Tom Foreman's outfront,
so he's up front and our stupid 3d studio I guess the question
is the United States. Is it prepared?
Is it prepared? No, no, that's the simple answer. Because it's
almost impossible to imagine. Let's go What are we going to
compare this tension being prepared for something like
this? We've been trying to figure out the true scope of a
storm like this all day long. Just imagine if this had hit
Florida down here effectively stretching from one end to the
other what might be affected? What might happen, John, if it
were Florida, can we scare these stupid slaves into something?
This is wreckage, wreckage, wreckage, unbelievable. The
damage that we've been done if this happened, Aaron, there's no
question as much as you tried to evacuate people, there would be
huge loss of life. And even if you could get everybody out with
that kind of damage, you would end up with somewhere around,
add up these places alone, just to counties that are completely
underwater. And you will have more than 11 million people with
no homes. No businesses, no roads, you realise where he's
taken us. We've gone from a typhoon on the other side of the
world to having no businesses, no home, wreckage 11 million
displaced Americans, and this would be a national catastrophe,
national catastrophe. What is the point? He says it has
like during the Chernobyl thing, doing one of these stories?
Where what if Chernobyl was in the middle of New York City? I
mean, this is bullcrap. Yeah. Needless This bullcrap it's
really sad alright so I mean the conditions aren't the same we
don't have the same tropical environment it's a tropical area
much more so than Florida are hookers gives good ocean
conditions is the Pacific versus the Atlantic call
centres suck in Florida. It's really now they
gotta they got work. Now the mail
order brides are no good. In Florida. In fact, it might be a
benefit. Sorry, sir, get mostly,
I have some Floridians listening. I
know, too. And so now and then I'll wrap up my little segment
here with another talking point. And this is this is also on CNN
because, you know, they aired that the documentary, the
Pandora's Promise documentary. And so once again, they have the
director on who of course is, you know, famous, the anti
nuclear now he's pro nuclear. And here is the talking point,
which I don't understand why people don't just stand up and
say, hey, that's bull crap. This is the talking point as to what
and this is the guy talking is he owns a solar energy company.
So he's a solar guy, and he hates nuclear. It's the same
thing that Van Johnson said that we played, I think, on a Sunday
or, or the Thursday before that you work for a solar company.
That's right, you're completely against nuclear? Well, I
wish nuclear worked. I wish it cost less. I think the primary
problem with nuclear power today is that it cost twice as much as
solar power. We as a society have spent over $100 billion,
trying to make nuclear power cheap and affordable. The price,
however, has just gone up. So about 30 years ago, it was about
five cents per kilowatt hour. Just as recently as last week in
the UK, my home country kind of embarrassingly, has decided to
subsidise nuclear, so that they're going to buy from that
power plant at 20 cents per unit of energy. That's
so the argument that I'm hearing now, against completely carbon
free energy is not even we're afraid of Oh, the 60 people who
died in total of all and nuclear catastrophes, and people can
yell and scream and email me all you want. But you really look.
I'm gonna
interrupt you for a second. Somebody brought up this point
to me. I think it was buzzkill Jr. But to try it because he's
got a friend who's his new kid guy prone who's always just
feeding them. Yeah, this is why it's better. Yeah. He said, can
you get the number for me asking me the question, I want the
number of how many people died in the Fukushima disaster. I
think it was like three guys or five guys who died during the
actual explosion.
There's numbers not available, because I think the numbers
lower than anyone wants to discuss if
you even go to the World Health Health Organisation who you
would expect to be to lie on the anti nuke side for Chernobyl,
they'll say, you know, total was about 60 people. And it's
inconclusive, if all these you know if all of Europe has
thyroid issues, and they all died of throat cancer. It's
inconclusive. We've talked about that enough. This is now this
has now come down to price. You're going to tell me that
when you have all these other options of cap and trade and
carbon tax, that why don't we just if it truly is going to fix
it, but it's too expensive. Why don't you take all that bull
crap off the table and just do the expensive stuff? Why does no
one say this? Oh, it's too expensive. Oh, I guess
fuck the way the world is gonna come to an end. Fuck we're gonna
have it's too expensive. We're all gonna die. But this is too
expensive.
This is what I don't understand how come no one says exactly
what you just said. Oh, so it's not worth it to you to spend
more to save the earth? No, it's what we tried. We tried is too
expensive. It's twice as expensive as this great solar.
So I guess we'll have to use this. This is infuriating that
no, I'm I'm screaming at the television when I see this.
No, this is the I have to say I kind of mentioned this in the
newsletter. This kind of discrepancy is we? Our show
seems to be the only one that ever discusses it. Well, yeah,
because we obvious because we're not getting any money from Big
Oil from big solar or big nuke. That's true. That's why we
discuss it. But
we're just sitting here bitching.
And on that note in the morning to you John C. Dvorak.
Oh, well, in the morning to you, Adam curry in the morning all
the boots on the ground feet in the air subs in the water. All
the days and nights out there and I think I left something
out.
That's all right. I'd like to thank the Human Resources say in
the morning to them they're in the chat room norgine
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and thank you for your courage nick the rat who was the artist
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it no agenda art generator.com We'd love our Artists do and the
way we as always, we just mentioned we don't get any money
from oil from solar greenies. No green money here. No nuclear
money, green money, green money, not none of that. No, the way we
do it is we are paid by our producers, people who listen to
the show and actually produce it by finances and also by
inflammation. And we have Associate Executive producers,
just like Hollywood and Associate Executive producers.
And John is going to go down the list right now.
We have executive producers and Associate Executive producers,
as a matter of fact, and for some reason, and I can't put my
finger on why we have a lot of them today. And I want to thank
every one of them for jumping in. Cool. But let's start with
Sir David Foley, the Baron of Silicon Valley or the Duke of
Silicon Valley. I'm sorry, He's way up. There it is a Duke came
in with 642 77 which is
what that's an interesting number show 565
was a bunch of stuff 565 Was fun is club 565 membership in a sack
of Lucky Seven. Nice. All right, thank you. So he says sorry for
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And so this is 565 membership and like I said, the sack of
satisfaction lucky said when thank him, and also is Thanks,
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He must have sent a note in and I should have pre screen this.
Let's say
we sometimes we screw up those notes and people get very upset.
Yes.
But also, please don't send a birthday wish two months in
advance through a check. The chances are that we do that it's
the chances are low. I mean, it's us. It's just us. There's
no I
don't have any secretaries working for us. So here's the
ranking. I didn't say anything and his email. No, I don't see
that. He's sent us a note. If you have a note, Leonard send it
again.
I don't see it either. John. I'm looking
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can't believe I've been listening to you guys since my
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Wait a minute. He turns 31 But he's listening since his early
20s
And he's listening to us. Right now. It's guy.
I've been doing it since mid 20s.
It could you've been doing stuff for at least so I see what
you're saying. It's not just the show. Okay, not just the show.
You didn't say this. But listen to the show
you guys. You guys.
I firmly believe you have shaped the way I live my life. Whoa,
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Hillary Clinton is uniquely qualified to run the American
empire. And we just watched the smoke because they can't say
anything. Oh, by the way, Elizabeth Warren apparently is
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Have you seen this?
That she's thrown But I can imagine throwing up
this like she's being thrown into the ring, as you know, as a
potential
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make it look good. Yeah,
we need a horse race. Pun intended everybody.
And finally our last executive producer, sir random hillbilly
from Elkins, West Virginia. I don't have a note from him.
I don't think so either.
I should go over these notes. I'm going to double check. No,
no. are in the mail Billy. Tim and his email.
This is the only thing you have to do.
You know, I take a lot of these notes. And I forward them with
the with the moniker in a notes. Yeah. And then by the time it
was just a couple of things. By the time I started doing the
clips, I just lose track of that part of it. But let me take a
look at na just look at N A. And it's in subject and I just get
all of these notes.
I don't have a few. I mean, I always hold on everything. I
have a little folder for stuff that you told me to say. But
it's not any of these. No random hillbilly.
Yeah, we get a lot of notes from the NA show. Well, anyway, okay.
Now is is our next one is not is is that not an executive
producer at that level?
Well, I think we had no beach. Well, we'll we'll give it to to
Nina. But what does it actually mean it go from Hamburg? I guess
it just went to her the person's account. I always thought it was
333 33 was the cut off? I thought okay, well. But it could
be confusing. I go back and look on the support page. We don't
even know what you know, it's on the support page.
Well, the support page, like athletic support.org/n
is the support page.
You can read the next one and I'll check and see what what it
says on the support page. Don't
see random hillbillies nail here. No, I don't see the other
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I blew it so badly you know you did you did you Did I felt bad
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we somehow we have some like some lucky. Like it's
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That would be it. So yes.
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Yeah. And the no agenda thing they they're sponsored Yeah
Don't
you remember he donated any sponsored us with a with like a
movie donation? Oh, yeah, I remember
the credit. So he's now Okay, so they were the crazy people in
the
audience are applauding our show. And not like know what
they're not like hands but like it's like a bunch of people.
This is in North Carolina. You have more listeners than we
think. Yeah, that's what was so amazing. Like, if people
we rolls out the logo, no agenda.
What people actually have heard of our show. I thought that was
extremely cool. So you can that's in the show notes of
course. And I liked
I liked his little his little creation here with a fireball.
Yes, pretty. It's very pretty well. Well, thank you all very
much. This is indeed a good showing for today. Thank you to
our executive producers and Associate Executive producers
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just like in the movie theatres, we need you to go out and
propagate our formula. Our formula is this. We go out, we
hit people in the mouth.
I wouldn't mind going straight into let me see if I have it
though. Distraction was agenda. This would definitely be
disappointingly, the most emailed article that I received.
Where the British authorities say it is pretty much likely and
probably an accident that that spy, zipped himself in the bag
and locked himself in the locker and died in this tragic
accident. And while you know, so this is like, look, we know that
that's bullcrap. And obviously, and it's become like a joke,
where we're just like, Oh, that's so crazy. I can't believe
they're saying that. But meanwhile, all this stuff is
happening that no one's paying attention to it particularly in
the United Kingdom. And now let me see a time I have a clip
here. There is a shut up slave slave training exercise going on
that is of just epic proportions. That is now about
to be related to a proposed bill and the way I understand it from
people who have helped me read this and this is in Gitmo nation
East in the UK. It looks like it's going to pass with very few
of any amendments and pretty quickly, which means that it
goes to Royal Assent I guess the Queen has to sign off on it. And
this is the the new anti social behaviour crime and policing
bill are 2013 2014 where we now are introduced to the I P N A.
Now have you heard anything about this John?
The i p and A
the injunctions to prevent nuisance and annoyance?
No, no, you got me here. This
is an I can't believe that that the people of Britannia are not
on the streets rioting against this. This gives the authorities
this bill actually I'll read you the just the the they call it a
bill in the UK to go figure makes provisions about
antisocial behaviour, crime and disorder including provisions
about recovery of possessions of dwelling how so they can kick
you out of your house. There's all these things they can do.
But essentially, if you it's, it's also pre crime, if you are
a nuisance or annoying. The police can't arrest you. They
can throw you out of your house, they can throw your family out
of their house. If you are 10 years of age or older, this is a
change from the the anti social behaviour orders where it was 18
but not enough. And now, a local authority can do this, a housing
provider can do the chief officer of police for police
area, a constable of the transport police force, like the
tube cops, the environment agency's YouTube car, yeah. Oh,
yeah. God, and when you read through this British put up with
this well, because they're being tricked into laughing about the
spy in the bag. And you know, anyone who was remotely 29 steps
removed from the royal child. That's all that the press is
talking about over there, apparently. And this thing is,
it is just sick. When you see what I mean, literally, if if
you're a nuisance, and annoyance, or if you are going
to be a nuisance. Then all all these powers kick in. And I am
flabbergasted that that this is not like the number one
conversation in Gitmo nation each because when this if this
thing passes, that's it, you're done. I mean, how can you how
can you stop this? How can how can you then you have no
recourse. This is why we have guns in America is to stop this
tyrannical behaviour from the government. And by the way, a
criminal behaviour order that includes a requirement must
specify the person, a person may be an individual, but can also
be an organisation. So it's not just for individual persons, it
could be for your, for your knitting club, because they're
an annoyance. And it can be from making noise, they can come on a
public place, and determined that you are a nuisance and tell
you to shove off go away from this public spot. How can people
stand for this? This is against human rights even?
Well, that's from our perspective, this is the reason
we put the Bill of Rights in because we were sick of the
British rule where they just you know, hey, a soldier is going to
put stay in your place, hey, we're going to come in and look
around, and all that sort of thing, even though we have a
bunch of people now wanting to go back to that, for obvious
reasons. Yeah. Who, who, though bots,
but you know, it is kind of like that. So first of all, the
problem really stems from the drinking. And the drinking is
because there's nothing to do for the kids. There's no jobs,
there's no future. I mean, Christina has friends, they are
either either growing weed in their basement and selling it,
or they're working for Domino's and distributing weed in the
Domino's boxes or, or they're in Afghanistan shipping poppies
back. And you know, we got some information on that later on,
too. But But these new laws were being annoying is going to be
this show. We could probably could not do this show in the
United Kingdom because we would just be annoying. And we can be
given an order to
doing it in the United Kingdom. But we but they can't come into
our house those bastards
not not yet. So I'm just flabbergasted that these things.
So it's the
you know, and this is Cameron. Cameron, the big libertarian.
Yeah.
So I have links to the to the legislation in the show notes
read through it. I think I tweeted a link. I'm like, Well,
this is night. This is a model for Europe, the UK setting the
setting the stage. And then English people were like, what
section of the bill do you find so offensive? What section? How
about the whole bloody thing? It's just it flabbergasting.
flabbergasting. Yeah, really, really, really flabbergasting.
And then of course, as a part of the you know, this is
it keeps things nice and quiet for the upper class.
Yeah, well, you know that that is really the truth. It's really
all about this is for this is law for the upper class because
the Riff Raff are annoying me in my neighbourhood.
Yeah, these riffraff and making too much noise now they're
yelling at each other call the police
in Europe itself. We had the Council of Europe which I'm
still a little unclear what the Council of Europe does.
Yeah, you know I am to it comes and goes in the new cyclists
like what why? This is different than the legislator of Europe.
The council have something else and there's a million Council it
got a big website. They got a really big website, the Security
Council in the United Nation, I believe.
Also they they're all over the hate speech thing, which is
another thing which is how can you distinguish freedom of
speech from hate speech? This is again, just not something that
makes any sense in my mind.
Students and human rights activists have discussed ways to
stop the spread of hate speech at a conference in France
to stop the spread like it's an ink flick the ink ink spot, it's
so that was such an ink spot, just spreading the spreading of
hate speech. What what does that even mean? I hate you. Hey, man,
that's unconstitutional.
The Council of Europe held the three day meeting in the eastern
city of Strasburg do a three
day meeting about this stuff. It's dry, you you're ugly. I
don't like you look gay. I don't like you because of that. Is
that hate speech? Is that is that? I don't know. I don't
know.
The hate speech is anything you want it to be that Thank you.
The conference attracted over 150 participants from 38
countries. Hey, hate speech is legally prohibited in many
European countries. But the regulations are not keeping up
with the expansion of the number of Internet users.
Oh, it's hate speech on the internet. Of course.
Some countries are considering on
a second back back up that clip and I want to hear that, again.
What's not keeping up with the number of users? The regulator
law, the regulation is a regulation. It doesn't have to
keep up. It has to exist. No, it doesn't have to change. Oh,
there's twice as many people let's change the law.
No, but I'm pretty sure it's about the anonymous hate speech,
John, but still,
the regulations are not keeping up with the expansion of the
number of Internet users. Some countries are considering
imposing tougher penalties. The participants dispute what
do you say I hate you and you blow up. What could a tougher
penalty be?
Just how to deal with hate messages posted on the intranet?
Donate me. One person proposed stepping up online monitoring
and asking website operators to delete them.
Yes, this is a good concept called moderating or monitoring
you know we need monitoring from the government. Government will
monitor you and we will ask you politely to remove the hate
speech. If you do not remove the hate speech. Your website will
go poof
another set of schools should educate students not to use hate
speech by showing them examples of it. Oh, oh that's elicit
examples of flooring. I know it when I see it. Eliminate its
pitch, but we can prevent it from taking root on young
people. Council staff member Rui Gomez said he welcomes imposing
stricter regulations to draw people away from hate speech.
I'm sorry. Is there a definition I should have looked this up?
Definitely.
We do have a woman affected by hate speech. There's a we have a
clip. Early glitch girl.
Oh god, I clipped this and threw it out.
I kept it this is the one that was the the interview with her.
Yes
of course glitch girl was interviewed on ABC and she
decided that she was being bullied now the real story here
is not the this is the woman that is face is kind of a cute
Columbia. I think she's Colombian and
she by the way, so you're not you're not seeing her properly.
She is the face who was on the healthcare.gov website right the
first face and she's being interviewed and she has the
exact same hairdo and earrings and makeup everything exactly
the same so you can identify her as glitch girl
as glitch girl. And apparently some people had you know made
fun of her fun of her and they bullied her and she bitches
about being bullied. Because they moved her eyes closer
together. I love
I love those Photoshop jobs.
So she felt really a put upon it. So she had to come out and
do this interview. Now, the real interesting factoid in this
interview to me is none of this. I don't care. I think it's
interesting that they brought her to tears. Yes. Which is we
had with this Philippine guy to bring in people to tears is what
the network's like to do. That's ratings. But what I think
there's a little tidbit in here I want to see if you catch it
because it's what to me was the number one thing and this clip
the other side
of the Obamacare rollout and the woman who became the face of the
website fiasco, plastered on the homepage of healthcare.gov, the
source of anger for so many and ABCs Amy Robach spoke to her and
an ABC News exclusive great to see Amy,
thank you so much. Good morning Robin and her picture may be
gone now from the website but the woman who actually has a
name Adriana says she is not completely over the sting of
what she calls bullying is the face that launched a frenzied
hunt. Smiling lady, have you seen the Mystery Girl? As
frustrations with a glitch plagued Obamacare website
mounted people turn their attention to the mystery woman
on the homepage. And until now her identity remained a secret.
Why do you want to speak out now because I mean it serve as a
chance to tell people who I am and not just let everybody else
do whatever they want.
I wanted her to say because I'm looking for a big part. I'd like
a movie role or something.
She you know, she could have said stuff like that and they
cut it out. Oh true.
So who is the woman who was the face of the Obamacare website?
I'm a mother and a wife and not a professional model Adriana who
asked that we not use her last name is from Colombia and not a
US citizen though she is eligible to apply for health
care under her permanent residents.
That was it. It was a commercial lease that's what I that was my
takeaway wrong.
But that's not what I got.
Let me continue then. I'm sorry, you status.
And while she says the picture was supposed to be a typical
stock photo, she says she never anticipated it would quickly
become a laughingstock we signed on. Lisa said it was possibly
going to be used for material for promoting the health care,
which is there know that it was going to have a negative impact.
You've been dubbed glitch girl, the most despised face on the
planet. Did you ever anticipate this type of publicity scrutiny?
No. Adding insult to injury, Adriana says she wasn't paid for
the photo. Have you ever experienced anything like this
before? And you're like, Wow, this is actually a reason why I
wanted to be here. Because I say kid, I never went through that.
But now I am in some sort of bullying. There it is. It is
bullying money shot. But at the same time. You know, I thought I
had to do this.
What did you hear?
Okay, they spent $100 million plus they didn't pay me 600
million on this website. She doesn't get a nickel. They don't
even give her a modelling fee. What kind of greedy bastards are
running this country?
Ron Blum? That's funny. Yeah. I hadn't I didn't look at it that
way.
That's the way I looked at it. That's funny. But you're right.
I think there was a commercial aspect to it. Don't forget if
you're an illegal you can call it your dragon. She has a work
permit. Here. And on this, we got to get our numbers up
and look this up for us. Hate speech is outside the law,
communication that vilifies a person or a group based on
discrimination against that person or group. In law, hate
speech is any speech gesture or conduct writing or display,
which is forbidden because it may incite violence or pre
judicial action against or by a protected individual or group.
Or because it disparages or intimidates a protected
individual or group. The law may identify a protected individual
or protected group by certain characteristics. In some
countries. A victim of hate speech may seek redress under
civil law, criminal law or both. But hey, oh, this is important.
A website that uses hate speech is called a a hate site. Most of
these sites contain internet forums and newsletters emphasise
a particular viewpoint. It's us. I don't want to say too much.
But turn that mic up there. Mr. de C. Dvorak. Critics have
argued the term hate speech is contemporary example of Newspeak
used to silence critics of social policies that have been
poorly implemented in a rush to appear politically correct.
Well, yes. I'm going to the Netherlands. We're leaving
tomorrow for a week. Let me see what the law is the Dutch Penal
Code prohibits both insulting group and inciting hatred,
discrimination or violence. Wow. Here it is. He who publicly
orally in writing or graphically intentionally expresses himself
insultingly regarding a group of people because of their race,
their religion, or their life philosophy, their heterosexual
or homosexual orientation, I
got a clip that that makes fun of this. I'm going to be it
right after you're done with this definition. We're going to
go to a hate speech clip.
Okay. When we finish up the definition, there heterosexual
homosexual orientation, or their physical, physiological or
mental disability, shall be punished by imprisonment of no
more than a year, or a monetary penalty of the third category,
whatever that means. So I can't say hey, cripple, I always say
that
you don't say that. I
say yes. All the time. The cripples like it. They do. I the
way I say it, because I this is I've always done this. You just
bring out the obvious and then you you make it no big deal.
This is what I learned growing up in Amsterdam. This is the
crazy thing is that hey, cripple How you doing and then okay how
you how you feeling? Well except for the cancer that's killing me
feel pretty good oh okay then we can move on and not have this
cloud hanging over us least that's my experience but I guess
I can beat now be arrested and thrown in jail for a year
yes a year and they by the way that will not be I don't think
they're gonna give you a line so we can do the show where you're
in the slammer?
Are you kidding me? In Holland in the slammer? You get
internet?
Do you get high speed you get broadband? Absolutely. Can you
have your microphone and rig
yeah can have the ultimate podcast device all
sounds fine.
I'm not worried about the price. It's the the monetary penalty
I'm worried about. That's the point I had also that
you wouldn't be able to get clips as easy I don't think
Do you have the content on that? Let's play the clip. Okay, now
here's this hate speech clip by this definition. This is the
hate speech clip I have this is a clip on kale. And obviously
it's hate speech by definition because it mocks kale and this
book that just came out it's just very is mocking a book that
now this is Craig Ferguson a late night guy and I had to clip
this I usually don't clip these guys by clip this one because I
had to look this book up myself but he I think some summarises
my feelings. But this is pure hate speech.
I was just waiting for the show to start you know, getting
myself ready for some quality entertainment. I saw the book
that Jeff was reading it was 50 Shades of kill real book ever
written. This is a book that I'm apparently plugging right now
but it's a book which I just read in the little thing you
know, the thing on the inside, kind of like the tweet or
something little blurb for the book. It says indulge savour
satisfied there. Remember, we're talking about kale here, right?
It says nothing is sexier than a sharp mind atop a lean healthy
body. Well, that's true.
That's me. Okay, few foods are able to deliver this promise
like kale.
She is the ideal plant in many ways. But first of all, I reject
the notion that a plant has agenda that's very sexist. I
look. She She kale is the ideal plant many ways. Beautiful,
versatile, nourishing and downright delicious. Something
else when I eat kale, because these people have turned kale
and some of the interest in in tasty. I reject it, frankly, I
think it's I think it's mohkum
we've had two dinners since our last show. And in both Mickey's
getting pissed at me now, because in both cases I'm like,
Oh, I shall order the kale in the end you know when when the
when the server is asking me what I'd like because I'm
convinced it takes like crap no matter who makes it. And
this is hate speech. Hate it.
I'm hating the kale. And in both cases so far total crap. It just
sucks.
I'm reading from the book now the inside thing that he was
really referring to the little you have the book or you have
the book. Wow, I don't have the book. I have the Amazon look
inside the book cliffnotes live notes in 50 Shades of CO
Discoverer 50 and Tyson's 15 as best they could do it right away
we're putting the book together for the no agenda show called
the kale recipe book and have some name for it won't be that
that's a working title. I want people to submit kale. Why don't
you say I've only got
six? Yeah, thanks everybody. It's gonna be a real thin book.
So we have we have and it's her as always, the kale is referred
to as a woman and kale cheddar omelette, get your hands a
little dirty with afternoon quickies. Haha, get it likes
zucchini and kale bites, turn up the heat with Chipotle flank
steak with lime black beans and kale. Oh man are spicy Mussels
with kale and surrender your most forbidden cravings with
chocolate chip kale cookies. I mean, okay, so this is to me as
hate speech, what we're doing is attacking vegetable. But I did
some research on kale. And it turns out that there's a kale
Institute type of operation running out of England with
public relations support that has triggered this national
movement to eating kale, which and if you ever look at I think
it's because they're trying to grow it as a cash crop that
people actually buy and want instead of chard, or spinach,
which are more problematic, and you can actually do a lot of
hydroponics with the spinach and most of it's not even grown in
the dirt anymore. And so kale is a crop that's resistant to bugs
in it even the insects won't eat it and it trying to promote this
kale. Like
what does that scare this crap
with? In this tale, there's a horrible kale, which everyone
defends, especially the vegetarians have been sold a
bill of goods are all over. But again, I were soliciting
recipes, I believe it's possible to make kale tastes good under
some circumstances you have my basic theory now is you'd have
to par boil it for about 10 minutes. And then you have to
fry it with a lot of garlic and oil until it softens up and then
you have to put it in a food processor and puree it with
something else.
Yeah, like chocolate chip cookies or something. Speaking
of crops, John, my favourite report came out once again. And
you know, I always look forward to reading the report from the
UN ODC. We've been tracking the UN ODC reports. For months since
the show began. I think un ODC of course, is the United Nations
Office on Drugs and Crime and good news, opium crops in
Afghanistan all time high. This is so funny, because in this
report, well, I have
this too. This is hilarious. So I actually have the report,
as I always do. I've highlighted some bits for you. It's in the
show notes. 565 dot na shownotes.com. Let me read just
a few choice bits, starting at the Preface. opium poppy
cultivation in Afghanistan reached a sobering record high
in 2013. And we're not even done with 2013.
I like to use the word soberly.
According to the 2013 Afghanistan opium survey, which
by the way, John, you and I should be on the board of that
cultivation amounted to some 209,000 hectares. How many acres
is that?
Oh, let me get I'll do the calculation. Will you read
outstripping the earlier record in 2000? December again,
2200 9000. hectares? Okay, outstripping the earlier record
in 2007, of 193,000 hectares and representing a 36% increase over
2012. This is really, in fact, let's
516,450 acres Yes. partay.
Moreover, the two provinces that had previously been declared
Poppy, free Faryab and bulk in northern Afghanistan, lost this
status, but that's okay. Because, you know, all in all,
opium production in 2013, went up to some five and a half 1000
tonnes, a 49% increase over 2012. Very, very good. As we
approach 2014, and the withdrawal of international
forces from the country, Afghanistan, working with its
many friends and allies and a spirit of shared responsibility,
must make some very serious choices about the future it
desires and act accordingly. reining in the illicit economy,
criminality and corruption is essential. So I went through
this whole report for you and for you people listening and a
couple other fact sheet here about the the survey, just a
couple. Some other numbers. Besides the acreage of the
current GDP are in 2012, the GDP of Afghanistan was 18 point 95
billion thanks to the increase in the poppy trade that is now
21.0 4 billion. So this good news. Total farm gate value of
opium production in 2012 was oh point 7 billion we are now at oh
point 95 billion, an increase of 4% of the tire GDP to the gross
income from OPM per hectare. Now, so what was that number?
Again? You had John, you had the 516,450
acres
time. Okay, so but we had to do the hectare so it was let me
just get 209,200 9000 Hold on a second. I'm gonna get the
calculator 209 One 2000 crap into that 209123 times the value
of each hectare per year is 4500 bucks. That is a whopping when
we count the zeros 12312 Right nine to set that's a trillion
dollars as $940 million, billion a billion dollars I'm sorry, a
billion dollars. That's just the raw stuff. That's just growing
it. What's interesting about this report is Nowhere. Nowhere
do they explain how it gets transported? Isn't that
interesting? But the data, but the BBC holds seems to be
overlooked. How many? Five and a half 1002 ones
you got five I just thought Yeah, yeah,
I don't know how that works. So there's a map here, which is
really cool.
10 here you got lots of stuff to move. I gotta move it
to the show the cultivation, they have maps in this. You've
got to look at it. It's hilarious. So they have home on
province, Kandahar province or has gone Province, where the
bases are. You've heard these names in the news. The Dutch
people who Korea got or has gotten that's where the entire
Dutch military are probably happy, Kandahar province Helm,
you've heard these names. And this is where the largest
increases have taken place that's on the map, right where
the bases are because we are protecting them and the BBC have
this. So the BBC has this report all about Poppy is up rubber
opium production. And here's their video report. Here's
here's what they lead us to believe about this 209,000
hectares of five and a half 1000 tonnes of poppy. As Afghanistan
records its largest opium harvest these graves tell a
story as to just what the effect of that is on the people of this
country. This is Ghulam Nabi his friend Abdul Karim, who were
hanged in Iran for trying to cross the border smuggling sacks
of opium five and a half 1000 tonnes. Apparently, the reward
had they got to the other side would have been as little as
$100 at about 70 pounds, the penalty for them and other men
whose bodies ended up in this graveyard was death. They came
from the village down the hill, which because of the this rather
curious trade that many of the men in the village have become
involved in curious trade. You mean this financial bonanza for
everyone involved is known locally as widows village, it's
changed its name. That's the profound effect on families in
this part of Afghanistan have this difficult and grim trade.
This is one of the world's most unstable frontiers between
Afghanistan and Iran over here behind the why you can see
Afghans who are coming home having been working in Iran or
or perhaps they've been to see relatives that are still many
Afghan refugees over there. But you can see that the Iranian
frontier is just about a 50 yards 50 metres behind me over
there President cars eyes picture on this side of the
border. And beyond that the two Ayatollahs mark the place where
Iran begins to now they show them a whole bunch of trucks and
like, Well, maybe it's in those trucks. Now on this side, is
what the world is really concerned about. These are
hundreds of trucks that pass through this frontier every day,
most of them empty coming from Afghanistan, going out into
Iran, and the local customs police border policeman here,
told me that he believes about 10 of those trucks might have
contraband drugs on them might be loaded with opium or heroin
hidden in a compartment. Yes, five and a half 1000 tonnes of
secret compartments. Bull crap.
How's a couple of things that I've obviously I started one is
one thing. It's a story that's it's a, there's two guys was
there's freelancers, obviously, poached a couple of bags and
stuff that's trying to get across
interns not even freelance. It's an intern stole some bags.
Yeah, it took a couple of bags across the border on their own
as if they're, you know, trying to get a few extra bucks that
are underpaid. And they're not French enough to protest this.
So they then so they made a big story out of that. Now, the fact
that the story exists, because this is a small border incident
in Iran someplace that we shouldn't even know about,
unless it's sending a message. So the only reason this was
covered as a news story, it was to try to get it out and far
enough out there. So these these Afghanis that work in these, you
know, these opium places. Don't try to pull this crap. Yeah,
you're working for us. You were pretty well paying. Yeah,
don't be stealing the sacks. Don't be trying to do that.
Because you'll wind up here in the grave. You'll be coming from
that widow town, just loaded on to the C 47 As we told you to.
And again, please take note that we no longer on in American news
during the longest war in our history. Have a rivals on
television or any pictures whatsoever of a flag draped
coffins. And please see the movie American Gangster to
understand what might possibly be going on with these planes
that come back.
Right and American Gangster. Fascinating film is based on the
real guy who's still alive and still tells this story. It's
nuts. to dramatise, yes, but it's it's the way it worked,
which was we're using coffins of wood, or drugs and ship them all
over the place.
And I'm not blaming the military, I'm planting it
squarely on the CIA. That is what they do. And do and that's
how
you that's how they can maintain this budget of having every
third person in the country working for them.
And that's how the banks maintain their
Yes. This is the basic, no agenda thesis. All right. Now,
of
course, we have the other drug trade, which is, I think,
sometimes funnier, more interesting. And certainly
wildly profitable. And oh, yes, legal. Got a huge boost. As we
had a report come out, and the minute I saw the headline, I
knew I had to follow up. Doctors say 33 million Americans should
be taking statin drugs. Well, wait a minute, I hear the you
know, the magic number. That's the magic number. Then you know
that something's up. And one of our producers, fantastic. He, he
was freaking out. He says, Oh my God, because I have no agenda. I
knew exactly what was going on he collected for us. Not one,
not two, but three reports, all chopped down here to 32nd size
bites of the great new reports about Lipitor. And I wonder, I
wonder what it could mean. Let's go to CBS segment one,
doctors used to rely on a specific cholesterol level to
determine which patients needed the drugs known as statins. Now,
new guidelines from the American Heart Association and the
American College of Cardiology are recommending statins for for
high risk groups. The groups include patients with
cardiovascular disease, those with a bad cholesterol of 190 or
higher patients between 40 and 75 with type two diabetes, and
patients between 40 and 75, with a 10 year elevated risk of
cardiovascular disease,
we're trying to take the people who benefit most and give them
the therapies to start with that benefit most
die lovest Yes, I am between 40 and 120 years old and I have at
least 10 years of some kind of precancerous pre heart things
Global's yeah you
do you bear start taking this stuff. Now. Let's
go to CBS follow up report to measure that risk. The panel
created a calculator that considers factors other than
just cholesterol. A calculator, John, get out your calculator.
Let's see if you need
a I obviously, do I
looting ethnicity? Oh, this city. We don't have enough black
people on this drug. Come on. That's a huge market, can't you
I can't believe we're not selling to these people. For
example, a 50 year old white male with treated high blood
pressure, total cholesterol of 220. And good cholesterol of 45
has a 10 year risk of cardiovascular disease of 5%
Cool statin treatment may not be warranted. Maybe for a man who
is African American group known to be at higher risk. The exact
same numbers give a risk of almost 9% a level that meets the
panel's criteria for treatment. Now, what kind of racist crap is
this? That was so racist and hate speech? How do you get to
say a group that is known for higher risk? Why? Because
they're black. Is it something that I miss out on some great
scientific discovery? Well, let's ask Sanjay Gupta over at
CNN. What this basically means now is that if you go to your
doctor and you meet one of these four criteria, heart disease,
diabetes, a cholesterol over 190, or whore black heart risk
greater than seven and a half percent, you're probably going
to be prescribed a statin drug. And then if you look at the
projections, they say about 35 36 million people are taking
the drugs now it could literally double it could go to 70 to 76
million people within the next few years. They're not sure. Did
you hear that? John?
It's a bonanza it can double Yes, yes.
Yes. So they you know, it's generic. Now Lipitor. There is a
generic statins are all generic Yes. But the drug companies have
bought the generic companies that make the generics and so
they keep the price is the same. So it's like a buck a pill or
two bucks or satisfy the expensive Pfizer has
the has Lipitor, and Merck has the Xolo Corazon was I think
Zola Coors is what did the generic version of it and these
are, these are multiples of six $7 billion a year drugs. And so
they came out so these are all commercials, and we were waiting
for this to happen. We're like, you know, because pharma, you
know, they need to advertise and these are advertisements to get
you to scare you because you're black. You should go and get
your statins.
Yeah, obviously the blacks have not been buying into this so
they have to be scared better.
And, and it's a commercial and I'm disgusted by it. I am and
you should be not you but people listening should just be so this
custard by it oh right down this jam Katya and Nadia
well what about Tara and Robin what
not the Katya and Nadia shirt jeans? Dancers.
Katya, Katya. Katya Katya Katya and Nadia well whatever who's
cheering and Robin now that's
for that's for our other producer that's for
so we got Katya Nadia Tara Robin destiny and Hillary
guess anyway so that is how the mainstream and a couple of in
the champagne room this is no sex in the champagne room this
is how mainstream media does it and and I'm glad that we have
our producers out there you know catching it and saying oh wow,
this is unbelievable. It's a bonanza you just yeah you can
wait for all the commercials to roll out and the media bio will
be done based upon who did a good job on the on the roll. I
think CBS did well. They had two segments and and of course
Sanjay Gupta he had the he did have whole produced numbers you
Did you hear the music and you had like he was in green screen
and everything going on. So very, very impressed with with
the big pharma advertising with in conjunction with their a
trade groups. Okay, shall we go into our rode into our big
commercial?
Which I'm writing to no agenda? Imagine all the people who could
do that. Oh, yeah, that'd be fun.
First time in weeks that we do it on time, so we might as well
roll it out.
Oh, yeah. That's a good thought. Yeah. We do have a few people
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he did I think he came up with a second donation for his wife.
wish her happy birthday
and she was gonna have to move him up to executive producer.
With doubles. Yeah, I
agree. I agree. So we'll just do that
afterwards. But he does have a note in the Morning John and
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Okay, well, we'll hit you with the karma in a bit. First, we
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give us a name for for your Make It Rain segment. But John, you
tell me when you're ready, and I will and I will roll it all out
and
get gotta get close to the mic. So I get
over modulate and I got I'm going to put a little echo on
it. So you tell me when you're ready. Then we'll kick it off.
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The skin flute they say that you weren't over modulating as much
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the segment.
Okay, I'll work on yeah, good
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Okay, I was gonna call you out as an Indian giver. But um, um,
I'll hold back.
But I'm not from India. For starters, I do have an Indian
story though.
Now homeless thing. We have a lot of stuff to do. So me, so I
said it. I set it I say by the way,
let's wait. Let's wait. Let's stop. Now. Stop. We've got to
thank this guy from cigar journey. Yes, every show for the
last
year. We're like, hey, we forgot to thank the cigar guy.
And gangly who is the editor of cigar journal which is a really
good magazine sent us a selection of what our I guess
semi famous or famous cigars that are now in the market. And
with this cool little thing inside which was a A little pad
of CES humidor thing. Yeah, yeah, it's like automatic. So
you can use anything and you throw this little bag in there.
It's like an automatic humidor.
I gotta tell you a funny story about this. So I remember when I
had ordered from the Silk Road before, down before Yeah.
So I was at the FQ Banos on there. No, but I was so
you know, I was expecting my my order to come and I had no idea
how it arrives. You know, if and it says well, we'll send it to
you stealth whatever that meant. And so this this package shows
up with cigars in it. I'm like, wow, this is a great way to ship
the drugs. And I swear to God, it took me half an hour of going
like Well, where's the drugs? To figure out that it was just
cigars? I thought it was like wow, this is a really of course
the dogs will never sniff it like that. Yeah, but it was
actually just a cigars
and his name's Ganly I think it makes it family but anyway, it's
highly appreciated man thank God it is funny though. I could just
imagine you're expecting because it would that would be as
stealthy as it gets. When do you do you would be tempted to tear
into one of the
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whiskey and then you have you know, you have a smoke is nice.
Yeah, of course. It's like it's a whole ritual. And these are
and they're good tasting cigars. But it's been a while since I've
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some it's been going on for six years now. Now all of a sudden
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are paying attention because I've been questioning this all
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Yeah, well, thanks for nothing. So all it is is this is the way
the news made the mainstream media's headed this way. It's
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show is Kris Jenner ready to date?
Have you seen the did you get the memo that Kris Jenner I mean
that Bruce Jenner wants to transgender? No, that's
Kenny has a womanish. Look, I know. But that, by the way stems
from I'm absolutely sure you had a vasectomy because there's a
certain look, I'm gonna explain it. Yeah.
Wait a minute, you're gonna tell me the guys who have a vasectomy
get a certain look?
Yes, they do. And let me let me I'm gonna give you the premise
for this thing. Okay. I had a book in my collection. And it
was printed around 1927 or 219 29. That era. And it was the
name of the book was look young forever. And it was a
promotional book. Typical Greer shit that was going on in the
20s. This was the eugenics era, a promotional book for getting
vasectomies as a youth as a major way to make men look
younger when they're old. And they shed the before and after
pictures of all these men who had vasectomies, which was, I
guess, a new procedure back in the 20s. Or whenever it came
about is when this book came out, and I think their original
purpose of the vasectomy was for this purpose was for like a
facelift. I'm not saying they sell it. And every look of these
guys always had this kind of kind of a plumper, smoother,
definitely smoother, kind of womanly face, kind of like a
female face. And I started noticing people actually had
vasectomies with rare exceptions once in a while. There's a guy
that that exception to the rule, but most of them always have
this kind of certain. The pasty kind of dopey face look.
That is a totally Jenner. Yeah,
that is that is a first SEC dummy look. And Jenner is one of
these guys that has that look, I don't know he's his look is
really,
but I know guys who have had vasectomy and they don't have
that look at all your day.
You have not thought about it much. And some guys say they
have expected me for some reason or other. I
know the guys on the there's like a morning show here. And I
went on that morning show. Yeah. And, and one of their sponsors,
is a doctor and I guess you know, this is what you have to
do in morning radio. Oh, this is really good. Morning to you. Oh,
have a vasectomy. And then of course he had to do it. Oh, god.
Yeah. And he said it was it was he said it was like, it sucked
for a couple days, but I don't know. anymore. Let's move. Yes.
Uh huh. Let's move along, please.
Okay. Anyway, so that means saying this is the kind of news
that's out there. But no, I don't know anything about Bruce
Jenner wanting to have, of course, after being on that show
for a while I can understand it. So looking
at so I said, so. Looking at the exchanges, and I need to bring
this up because people need to understand what's going on.
There's a lot of Bitcoin news, Bitcoin Yeah. Well into the
we need a jingle for the Bitcoin report.
We do. We do. And I'd like to explain to people how this
works. Because the I'm kind of flabbergasted John that no one
really sees the scam for what it is. When you run the exchange,
you determine the price. This is not NASDAQ. This is not
regulated by the SEC. In fact, there's there's so many
exchanges now and this is where the money is. If you look at the
bid and the ask, if you want to sell your bitcoins, you can you
can get about 390 for them, if you want to buy them Well now
you're at 440. That's called the spread and that's outrageous to
bid. That's outrageous, of course. That's outrageous. And
you see and everyone's getting in on it now. In fact, circle
internet financial, just got a pretty heavy hitter. They
brought him onto the board of directors Raj dot date, I think
his name is they're going to start an exchange, you've got to
Ibet everyone's launching an exchange because that's where
the money is. And you get to set the price and you get to rip
everybody off this ice. It's like this is such a beautiful
scam. It's truly is so well thought out that I'm not
thinking that the bitcoin is actually, you know, there's not
going to be any scam with with the Bitcoin itself. Because
that's solid, I guess the cryptography and how it's done
is solid, but he's exchanges, this thing's gonna go to 1000
It'll be 1000 before the end of the year, and it'll go beyond
that there's no downside, and you put any of your trading on
the exchange, you know, there's always a delay, or like, oh,
sorry, you know, the system's down. Yeah, and the system comes
back up, and the price difference is 20 bucks, guess
who makes the money? I'm just astounded that people don't see
what's going on here.
Well, the whole thing is a scam.
Right? But it's so well done. It's a psychological pie.
What I like about it, what I really enjoy the most is how the
all the techies are all in?
Well, this this is this is kind of where I wanted to take it
because someone found out and I think Bitcoin is probably the
best example of it. But the nuclear guys also know how to
play the alternative media and the and the Libertarians and the
geeky people like us, which we are to some degree and we're we
touch all of those areas, and are taking advantage of us in in
really almost a disgusting way. Because you know, the, the hard
core member when we did the hate we got about Bitcoin in the
beginning when we were laughing about it. He was like, You can't
run a store with the prices changing every 10 minutes,
veering to 10 or $20. You can't you can't do that you can't be
competitive. You can't be changing your prices all the
time. This is crazy. This is not a monetary unit. It is a great
scam. And I'm and I pretty much suspect Max Keiser of being you
know, he sold his Hollywood exchange. He's built exchanges,
he must be behind one of them. Yeah, no, he has to be. And so
it's the exact same, same software, I
bet you if you can get to that code all might be Yeah, you
could find some, sometimes similar. Forensic code tracker
could probably figure out who wrote this thing.
Now, something else happened yesterday, which I think is also
a psychological operation, which hits exactly the same people,
and is a huge is actually very, very smartly done. So what
happened is yesterday, WikiLeaks leaked. And if you download the
document, it even says secret TPP treaty. Okay, so now, you
know
that I talked about the TPP before?
Well, not so we've talked about the T tip?
No, no, we've talked about the TPP. We have talked about it.
I've talked about it, because I talked about when Putin was
having a meeting with these guys. And all the rest of it. We
have discussed this this operation, we didn't have the
details, right?
Well, we've had a draft version, but here's what's interesting.
We don't get the entire TPP we get one chapter. And we get the
intellectual property, quote unquote, internet freedoms, and
copyright chapter, which is the only thing people on the
internet who are activists care about. And so this thing comes
out and of course, you know, me, I'm like, Oh, great, I'm gonna
read this. And I'm going through it. I'm like, holy crap, this is
completely unusable. It is every single line, every single
proposal has five to 15 opposition's counter proposals
by each country to the this is, you know, it's an ongoing
conversation is what this is. And it's it's like, here's the
conversation is like, well, America has copyright at 70
years after death, and Mexico wants it to be 100. But sweet.
No, but Venezuela or some other country wants to be 95. It's
like, which, who gives a crap? But en que en que everybody has
their has their their analysis ready? So here is Electronic
Frontier Foundation, and I read this document, really, so here's
how they, so they they took one day to read it, which is what
took me t p p li confirms the worst. US negotiators still
trying to trade away internet freedoms. All right. WikiLeaks
is compromised and eff was compromised, and they're all
working together. And the only thing I can find is this is a
red herring. So everybody's focused on the wrong thing. Do
you think that copyright and internet freedoms is important?
If you're going to be you're going to be running around like
SOPA changing your eye con TPP New World duty Mimi meet Nia
what's happening is the gas you idiots. It's all about the gas
to Japan and to Asia. And what they don't want you to do is see
that the real negotiation the 20 other chapters that WikiLeaks
couldn't get their hands on. That's where you're going to
wind up with 50% of us gas production, which will crack
you, which will give you make your faucet burn, which will
give you earthquakes from your super leftist obat. Green
president. That's the part that's being covered up, you're
focused in the wrong area. Of course, it's a New World Order
document. But this is just to distract you and keep you busy
and make you change your, your avatar. This is not what is
really important. And this document, please trade away
internet freedoms, even the EFF couldn't point in much in the
document. They have all this here. The link chapter features
proposals for sending a new floor for copyright duration,
ranging from the already problematic us term of life of
the author plus 70 years to an incredible life of the author
plus 100 years proposed by Mexico. This is this is what
you're worried about, by the way. What's wrong with that? You
have no copyrights, I don't mind holding on to my copyrights a
little bit longer. Oh, no evil Disney, we don't get to use the
mouse. So why is that important? John, am I missing something
here, that's not to give you votes I have, please give me
both sides,
I have the various feelings about this myself. First of all,
the idea that copyrights are limited to 26 years and possibly
from the date of creation, not the day you die. So if you wrote
something when you're you know, in your 20s, and you live to be
100, this thing would be in copyright forever. Virtually,
the idea is that it is 26 years, and then you could maybe renew
it there that was actually given to you it is in the
Constitution. Essentially, you can renew it for another 26
years if you felt that the need to most people did not feel the
need to. So after 20 The idea was that at 26 years, art, this
applies to more than just writing art. Cartoons would be
included in
our photo grammes, as it has, it's constantly referred to in
the document phonograms
records. In other words, music and also writing would be pushed
into the public domain. So it could be enjoyed by everybody
while it was still alive. And it would influence the culture in a
positive direction. And so you want your copyrights to expire
at the end, the guys shouldn't be able to if you can't make
your money in 26 to 52 years, renewing, if you can't make your
money, your personal money for your creation in that period of
time, well, then you're a loser.
Maybe your song just suck.
They figure well, what can we do to make to milk this. So the
Disney guys are behind most of this, they change the law so
they could keep their mouse and protect their dura, which they
could do anyway with a trademark. So it's not even that
important. But whatever the case was, they didn't want people
redistributing Sleeping Beauty on TV. Okay, now wait, wait. Now
on the other hand, as a copyright, somebody who produces
content, I think it's kind of cool if I can I own this
forever. And you my kids can benefit from it after I'd 100
years after I'm dead. You know, that's a Rich's good greedy
perspective. Right? And it's but it's not good for the society.
It was, the idea was that it's good for the society to
incorporate public domain things into their into the structure of
the future.
But let's move let's move beyond this. What you know, but what I
take away what I object to, is, first of all reporting, like
it's set in stone, which is not, we're talking about things that
have been hashed out for years, 70 years, 95 years old. Okay,
but it's not like this is a new debate. This, but the way this
is being presented, is the New World Order is taking away our
internet. And if you read the documents, it's kind of similar
to what we have already. You know, there's some, you know,
there's lots of there's lots of fair use, you know, there's talk
about the about ISPs being you know, you can have the like the
DCMA So, if you're just a vessel, you know, a carrier then
you're then you're not responsible for what's on there.
I mean, it's all it's all kind of the same, the same stuff. But
this is being presented. As you know, this is what it's all
about, and I'm seeing people literally posting links, this is
worth a read because we're being screwed.
Not you're not, hey, that was my link.
First of all, you haven't read it. Because you want to slice
your wrists halfway through. It's so boring. And it's so
repetitive. And yeah, you know, sure there's some stuff in there
about, about patents on drugs. But it's not like it's anything
new. The real deal here is, is Oh, so much bigger, and it's
going to wreck our Earth. And that's, that's what makes me
laugh is that people don't understand that they're being
tricked. This is not a leak. This is the purpose release.
This is this is like, like, oh, yeah, oh, I'm sorry, Lady Gaga
album got leaked two days before it was supposed to come out.
This is a PR move.
Yeah, no, I'm not gonna argue with it. Because where's the
rest of the document where they somehow would glommed onto one
thing.
And EFF is out the same day with this whole. And really, they
talk about all these things that are wrong with the patent
system, and copyright and but they can't point to it in the
document because it's really not there. That's that's what I'm,
and then there's this. The agreement claims not to confine
copyright limitations and exceptions further than earlier
deals such as Berne Convention, but early analysis from groups
like knowledge, ecology, International. Now knowledge,
ecology International, who are these guys? They're funded by
Rockefeller MacArthur Foundation, the EFF was pointing
to these guys seriously. MacArthur grant and they also
really can only pointing
and mending the knowledge ecosystem.
Knowledge, ecology International is obtained from WikiLeaks, a
complete copy of the consolidated negotiating text
for the IP chapter of the Trans Pacific Pacific Partnership copy
here on the WikiLeaks site, the leaked text was destroyed among
the chief negotiators. And then you know, they talk there's all
kinds of background but then really doesn't get into anything
in the document itself. This is what I'm so interested in it
because the document is met. I've read it, John, you know, I
read this, you know, I read these, you know, I hate the New
World Order,
love reading this stuff.
I hate these guy hates everything they stand for. When
I read this, I'm like, How can you even make a report about
this? It's a negotiation. And everyone has it. And it's
everyone has a little thing in there. Venezuela wants, you
know, wants it this way. And Mexico wants it that way. And
then we have, you know, the just, it's just crazy. It's not,
you're being fooled. Please go ahead and read it, read it, then
go and find all the things that these great analysis point to.
Again, the KTI, guys 70 plus 70 years for natural persons, and
then oh, it's like Mexico wants life plus 100 years. Whoo,
that's just crazy talk. Really, this is what you're so upset
about. So I think it's a red herring. And I think it's been
set up by WikiLeaks.
Yeah, I think you've made your point on the red herring part
now I'm I'm stuck on this knowledge ecology international
site. And I see what they're pointing to they're pointing to
the k e i analysis of WikiLeaks of TPP IPR text from August
30 2013. So this has been this is the data is sketchy. There's
a guy you're looking
at the right thing you're not looking Oh, yeah, that is that
is what the yes that's guy that's from the tech the text is
from August 30. But this they wrote this this has only just
been leaked, so this is why it's
just been leaked. It was leaked on the 13th of November and
ended submitted and the guy who wrote to analysis that they're
all pointers, this guy had to look him up now seeking to find
anything about him James love. Really, James love NGO director,
James Packard, love is the director of knowledge ecology
International, firmly, oh, wait a minute. This is good. These
guys. These guys are formally known as the consumer project on
technology. Oh, there you go. And not an NGO with offices in
Washington, DC and Geneva.
I'm telling you, these guys are the New World Order and they're
tricking you. Let's look at their Wiki at their Wikipedia
entry. Here we are supported by grants from the Ford Foundation.
The John D And Catherine T. Macarthur Foundation, the Open
Society Institute. The Rockefeller Foundation, please
push you see what's going on. Don't take your analysis from
these get
about New World Order. Yeah, so are like the laundry list. Yeah.
Anyway, so before you go yelling and screaming about something,
have a read To just even just have a read of the we have
a link to in the show notes.
Not just that, but several of the several of the analysis. So
EFF, Dan Gilmore, and Gilmore, this was in The Guardian. I
could do better than this. Dan Gilmore writes his whole thing.
And he says, Well, it'd be in here. The more you know about
the odious Trans Pacific Partnership, the less you're
like it. It's made for corporate intellectual property and
profits. And then he has a picture of a woman with a SOPA
sticker over her mouth. And then, among the many betrayals
of the Obama administration, is its overall treatment of what
many people refer to as intellectual property. And then
again, he just really doesn't have anything. No specifics, no
specifics, nothing new and goes back to, you know, basically
saying, this is soap two or three or nine or whatever. It's
not it's just not it's a dumb document that has been dangled
out there to get everyone all worked up.
Well, it seems to work. I'm worked up about it. Yeah, you're
more worked up than anyone but I also linked to the follow this
it sounds like you're I think you're dead on this one. This is
just all be you know, some Yeah, it's it looks like a PRD.
Everything is a PR stunt.
at Bloomberg, I have a link to this Bloomberg article, which is
from earlier this year, getting Japan to guzzle American gas.
And that's really and it says why so because Japan's non
tariff barriers protecting major sectors of the economy, the TPP
aims to reduce all these barriers, preferably to zero
Japan's inclusion in the trade pact will boost American
exports, create American jobs, and make both economies more
efficient now and well into the future. And this is an I had
this conversation with Miss Mickey this morning. And this is
this is the part that is weird coming out of my mouth. But we
really need this. I mean, I don't want to live in, in a dead
society. You know, America is not America, not a country.
America is a business. Okay, let's get that straight. And
that's why our president is called the chief executive. And
we have the resource extraction unit. That's the Pentagon. And
we have all these different, we're a business get over
yourself, we're a business. And if you don't want to live in a
dead, broken, bankrupt business, then you want this thing to go
through. And you want us to essentially beat Russia at their
own game. You want it to happen, we can start building from
there. We can we can we really can. But I have to say we have
to start, we have to get this.
Well, here's what I see. First of all these people complaining
and tweeting, and moaning and groaning is accomplishes
nothing. They have no influence whatsoever. It's very rare that
they anything's ever accomplished. I mean, like they
think this SOPA thing keeps coming back in one form or
another if this, isn't it, it'll be something else and who cares?
The point is, is that there's a there is a lack of ability,
we're not the French, the French when they see some sort of thing
that they don't personally like. They do a little work research.
They don't just jump the gun and just go crazy. But then they do
something they burn trucks, they turn stuff over they take
action. Yeah, we don't take any action whatsoever. We just
change it change our Twitter icon. It this is just yeah, you
change your Twitter icon to green or purple or whatever it
is. or black. My favourite one. What's the point?
Well, along with this comes an email that I received after the
previous show. And I was gonna read his email on the no agenda
show. And this is from I think, Bridget. Hi, Adam. Whilst I love
your show, I was shocked to hear that you are annoyed by homeless
people holding up signs in the street. Now I would like to
revisit and say that I didn't, I said I was annoyed by people
holding up signs on the access roads to the highway that
usually say I'm not gonna lie, I need a beer. This is a matter of
very close to my heart. And if you took the time to talk to one
of these poor buggers you would find they did not choose to
stand there. They all have a very sad story to tell. And in
the state they're in now filthy and depressed. There is no way
they can get a job unless someone helps them give them a
chance respects them. Not everyone is a talented musician
worthy of your money. I do runs where I distribute food to
homeless people and also stop and chat with them for 10
minutes or so when I have the time. It is much appreciated and
makes me feel good to you should try it. Now, I need this beer
good
is that you think that was the voice that she had as a woman
right? Yes, she
came back because I said you should listen to me. Then these
might reply, you should listen again. What is on the sign? Was
it just the street or the entrance of the highway? Do I
never give money? Or do I just not give it under circuit
certain circumstances. And I give $5 standard to any musician
above all this, you are telling me you can't even spare $5 for
the no agenda show, look who's talking, because she said she
couldn't donate. And then she comes, she comes back very
defensive. I suppose my point was that even if someone asked
for beer money, I will give it to them. Imagine living in the
street, I listened again, I will not backtrack, you only give
money to people with a talent and are annoyed by everything
else. You said verbatim, everybody's working. Everyone's
trying to do something. They're not crippled. There are people
in this world with either no talent, a low IQ or people who
are extremely bad luck. Okay, so let me just say something,
everybody and this, this is so hypocrite, everybody makes
choices in their life, you cannot tell me that you stop for
every person who asks you money, everyone makes a decision. I am
just not a hypocrite, I give my decision upfront. And I help
people who I want to and can help. You know, we're in a big,
big play here. And this isn't you know, kind of like everybody
does have to play their role. And everybody has your link in
the chain. Our link but we do actually with John and I do has
been under attack for decades. You know, just to open give you
open an honest analysis, and to help people understand what's
going on. And that's what I decided to do on a daily basis.
And if I decide only to give musicians then I hope someone
else picks up the slack somewhere else but to come out
and say that I'm that I'm mean or or horrible for not giving
money to everybody. Screw you. Everybody makes decisions. You
just make it on the spur of the moment. And you're embarrassed
to say it
once you got an understood Yeah.
And then the thing that she doesn't even donate to our show
ever has just gone galls me.
Yeah, well, she takes it. She's just she's not really on board.
She has. She's just looking for stuff to bitch about. Yeah,
she's probably a miserable person.
Well, I if not then I hope she is now. Did you know you will
know this? I was. Let me see did I find this in a must have been
an article?
I'm going to read you the opening quote here from this
article. It was pretty good. We just pull it let me tell you
where the articles from first. It's the original NSA
whistleblower. And this is so typical of actually was in
Gawker. Very surprising. This is written by Adrian Chen. title of
the article after 30 years of silence the original NSA
whistleblower looks black. This is a guy named Perry fell walk.
Have you ever heard of this guy?
No. I thought I knew all of whistleblowers, but he does not
check this
out. And this actually goes back to Bobby Inman, which is kind of
funny. And there in 1972, was a rogue analyst some kid in his
20s describing the NSA is business down to the colours of
the badges worn at its headquarters. Winslow Peck,
which was his codename claimed that the NSA had broken all of
the Soviets codes that the government's official account of
the Vietnam War was a lie and that the agency was guilty of
salacious corruption. Quite a few people in the NSA are into
illegal activities of one kind or another. It's taken to be one
of the fringe benefits of the job, you know, enhancing your
pocketbook smuggling people inside the NSA or even involved
with the slave trade
well inside but the real moneymakers inside information.
Of course, if I get to listen to all the phone calls, I want to
between like some hotshot let's say Carl Icahn or someone else,
and I get a heads up on somebody's going to do the next
day. Hey, I'm making money. There were more there was more
money made on 911. Oh, yeah. Yeah. That has never been no
one's ever uncovered. What Wow, all these guys all of a sudden
shorted all the airlines snow
conveniently, all that information went down and
building seven. Well, yeah. This this also goes into the Welch
assassination. Is any of this coming back to I 72 was way too
early for me. But you were also a young man and probably doing
other things at the time.
Right, I was led to believe that these other things were going to
be beneficial.
But this this Eventually, this led into the Church Committee.
Alright, the Church Committee which which was created the
congressional oversight committees, which have sold out
the American public Yes. Yeah. And it's really I think church
was killed. Um, well, so Well, assassination. I'm not familiar
with this.
The world assassination. I wrote some quotes here. Evidence of
manipulation of the American press for the purpose of
influencing events in the United States, CIA successfully
exploited the murder of one of its station chiefs to set back
efforts to bring the CIA under constitutional control. This was
the outing of of CIA operatives this actually led to the law
that you couldn't do that. And he published this Perry I'm
sorry what's his name Perry. The crazy name fell walk. He
published his account in rampart magazine. Does this mean
anything to you?
Yeah, rampart was the big the big kind of would you call it
was a radical progressive it was it was kind of the revolutionary
popular revolutionary magazine of its era did a lot of
investigative stuff. It's kind of like devolved into what
Mother Jones is because
in fact, in fact, I think part of it did become Mother Jones, I
could be whatever
the case is, is not the same as it was it was pretty
entertaining reading, let me tell you. So
in 7172, fell what blew the whistle on echelon. That's what
he uncovered. The NSA at the time was a little known
organisation and amongst the most secret of the US
intelligence agencies fell walk was revealed that it had
significantly larger budget than the CIA. And he was in turn
motivated by Ellsberg release of the Pentagon Papers. And so back
in the day, no one's ever heard of CIG in signals intelligence
and and this goes back to the five eyes. Though what's
interesting is that none of this is really new this is, in fact,
it's almost like the same script is being played out. Maybe just
with a different production team, and maybe different
financial backers.
Well, it seems like the same antagonists the CIA not getting
as much money as they want, although they probably can if
you can incorporate the drug money, which we assume they use.
They probably have a huge budget, but it's just it's still
hurtful. It seems. Yes. That's the NSA a bunch of guys sitting
at desks, you know, poking you know, typing in stuff it should
be getting so much more money than then the agents that are
supposedly running everything
well, the only thing I can say now is that oh, my god, I can't
believe I didn't know this. And all I got a whole a tonne of
links in the show notes about Perry fell walk the Rampart
article which was titled us electronic espionage and memoir.
And it's interesting cuz you know, he didn't go to jail. He's
still around, you know, there was no like, come home and face
the music. In fact, that's probably the one thing that
Edward Snowden Well, he didn't do it wrong. I think he got
jacked by Greenwald and and buddies. He got screwed. That's
why he's,
well, I think the laws were different than to i don't i
They've have been tightening and tightening this, these, the
Senate and House committees have been passing all this, you know,
this legislation on the side to tighten down because every time
there's been a lot of whistleblowers, I mean, there's
that guy, then there's the guys that are more recent, who was
especially the one guy who got screwed by the FBI, they tried
to throw him in jail forever, right. And every time a new guy
comes along, they tight and tight. And so if you say
anything, that's why we have every other document now done by
government is secure. It needed security clearance to read it
when it's just a list of birthdays, right? I mean, the
whole thing has been screwed up. So I think back in the day, this
guy could you could probably do more stuff. Now. You can't do
anything.
But it's really interesting. And I think it's almost required
reading for, for anyone today just to understand where all of
this comes from where they took Bobby Inman, he ran the NSA.
This is what I Yeah. Gee, it seems to me that there's a guy
living right down the street from the kid go knock on his
door, have a nice little conversation and I'm going
to do that, because I'm going to call uncle Don who was mentioned
that Inman is a very good friend of hers. And so here's what
happens. So Inman, I think he left the NSA in a huff, he was
pissed off, because the Israelis bombed, or they blew up the ship
that had NSA on it. What ship was that? It was liberty.
Liberty, yes. And that and he got really pissed off and he
left now, what's funny, is that here, here in Austin, I've
mentioned Bobby Inman to several people. And what always comes
back is Oh, yes, all the boys know, Bobby. Yeah. And that's
funny because if you read Perry fell walks article at the time
when the NSA was recruiting people and they were recruiting
just smart kids. The only thing they were worried about was
homosexuality now That seemed the agency seemed to be really
hung up on that for some reason. So I don't know if that was in
direct relation to him and running it then or whatever it
was. But there's some crazy crap going on in, in, in all of these
divisions. And if you have kids, let me tell you, you have to
teach your kids how to run their own stuff. And you know, you've
got to let them understand how an operating system works and
give them let them mess around with Linux. Let them understand
how the internet works. And please educate them that it's
not all these centralised services like Facebook and
Twitter, you've got to arm your children with some real
knowledge of how stuff works, because they won't survive if
they just continue on this trip that we're placing everybody on.
So we have to change your timeline. I'm just looking some
stuff up while you're yakking,
which is, let's face it, that's all I'm doing.
Here is you're yakking. Now you're good. You're revealing
interesting information. But he was the director of the National
Security Agency from 77 to 81, the USS Liberty that was early
as 67 Oh, that can't be that. And then he after he quit the
NSA. He went to the CIA's a deputy direct.
He left there and he was angry. I remember he was angry. This
was Don told me he said he was angry. And he left because he
thought something was bull crap. It's not in his wiki page. Of
course. No, I gotta, I gotta meet with this guy.
It would have taken place in 82. And so I don't know what
happened at age and maybe it was during the Reagan
administration.
That's how old he he's 82. Now speaking of 82 I gotta get to
him quick. Yeah. Geez, man, I'm, but he was also an way he might
be a great guy to have a beer with. Oh, Betty is. It's just I
gotta find the right reason for the introduction.
You want to talk to him? Yeah. That's true. Hmm. Just say
you've always been a big fan. Don't say that. No, young people
don't need to see fans. We're not
going to say that. That's not a good idea. fan. I got a good
Rick Perry rumour for you know, here in Texas, everyone wants to
know, is he going to because he No, he's not gonna run for
governor. You know,
he wears a dress.
He is a crossdresser. That is pretty much confirmed. So
everyone wants to know is now that he's not, you know, he's
not going to run for governor again. Of course. Will he run
for president? And I heard that he has been offered the
chairmanship of the NRA,
the National Rifle Association. That's a good gig. It'd
be interesting, right? From our Clooney files, I've promised you
more art is coming more art will be discovered until the release
of the movie. In fact, I can reveal to you that between 60
and 80 art pieces will be returned to their rightful
owners at the premiere in Los Angeles and Berlin. Yeah. These
guys are so smart. This is this is such a great setup. And I
might get invited to the premiere.
How you're gonna get invited to the premiere?
Right? What do you mean? Yeah, because like you told me because
I keep promoting the movie. What are you talking about?
Hello, who's going to invite you to the premiere? The people
who are helping Clooney find all the art are insiders. How else
do I know this stuff?
Yeah, no. And so I'm gonna maybe do you have a little chat with
George while you're there. And that
has been while I'm not going to go if I can't have a chat with
George. That's the whole point. is pretty good to interview with
him in thing is Esquire maybe. Or Vanity Fair. And it is funny
because the whole it's he comes across as a really nice gay guy.
I mean, it's just, it's just the thing that is not mentioned in
there.
Now he seems like a nice enough guy. Yeah, it's totally nice.
But you know, global warming stooge. Oh, he's just, ah,
that's just what he does.
Now, it's all I got. Okay. So I got a I got a five eyes
programme clip. Don't want people talking about five eyes
besides you a minute ago. You should might want to explain
what that is, since we haven't really discussed it at all in
the show. Or we can play this clip from Russia today, which
obviously is prejudice about the whole thing, but it's kind of
interesting.
According to the Snowden leaks UK intelligence was able to
monitor up to 600 million communications every day, but
they weren't the only ones who had access to them. 850,000 NSA
employees and private us contractors could also dig into
UK databases. Now it's going to teach you can explains Britain
wasn't alone either in helping Washington to keep an eye on the
world
intelligence services of five English speaking countries have
joined resources to spy on the whole world. The US is the most
resourceful its closest ties are with Britain's GCHQ but Canada,
Australia and New Zealand are also contributing. Australia
backs up Washington by keeping tabs on Asian countries from the
documents leaked by Edward Snowden. We learn that
Australian embassies across Asia Pacific hosts this highly
sensitive intelligence collection programme as part of
the Five Eyes network. It's not just terrorists that the five
eyes are looking for. A former Australian intelligence officer
previous to the programme said the main focus is political,
diplomatic and economic intelligence.
Oh yeah, thank you very much
the main focus main focus so there's no terrorism angle to
this. It's all we're now dealing America safe now. We're it's
about economic Well,
hold on. That's all a matter of opinion. I interpret that as
keeping America safe by stealing other country's money.
Well, let's do that. Well, yeah. Or sucker them into deals that
we you know, renege on or we
have a lot of tricks when you hear about this stuff.
Ask the American Indians what they think of our hard deals
Oh, well, ya know our deal with
casinos eventually so they shouldn't be complaining anymore
but we so when that when I hear the winning when you hear
congressmen and women talking about you know the the Chinese
spying and you know it's true for them it's really important
not spying on you know, on you or I O Oh, chopped off we're
going to steal no agenda show we make that just like that. No,
but they're stealing what they are stealing is was That was
rough. Rohit. Oh, from the 40s a
lot, one of my best what they are stealing is technology, like
the rockets at the now selling to Turkey. You know, that is
essentially our stuff. And so, all all of this, we are we are
in the other camp, all the politicians, all the big
captains of industry, it's all about them and their stuff. No
one cares about us. Did you see that? Now turkey. This is funny.
Has asked NATO to extend the Patriot deployment near the
Syrian border. I'd be like, hey, Turkey, bitch, cook, get your
Chinese stuff. That to protect you.
Yeah, Turkey. These would be called out on that. You're
right.
And I figured out the Jimmy Kimmel thing. Why he was
apologia? I thought first we thought it was for promotion. He
was apologising about the the kids table kill everyone in
China joke. Yeah. I finally figured it out.
We had anything to figure out how
I stumbled upon it to why he's had to apologise as the network
has apologised. It's good to see apologies everywhere. Why? Well,
what network is Jimmy Kimmel on?
He's on ABC, which is what? conglomerate? Disney?
And what are we building in Shanghai? Oh, Disney Land and
yeah, Disney World. Yep. actually have an article.
Let's make them kowtow to us. Yeah.
Yeah. Because you know, we don't want to mess that up. We don't
want to mess it up.
No, this is the despicable thing about the media nowadays is that
there's all these little you can't do a joke or you if
somebody says oh, you know we're gonna let's wait let's get to
see one get a better deal out of Disney by making a fuss over
this Jimmy Kimmel kids table Exactly. And now they can be all
act in a huff because I'll tell you there was a the Chinese
holding up signs with ABC logos on it. You know, like,
none of the Chinese people in China are thick skinned, they
have a superiority complex. They don't think they can they are
very hard to insult to be honest about if you go over there you
can try. And I remember one time I wrote a column for PC magazine
where I took the I took the Who's on First gag from Abbott
and Costello and did a thing of because I just returned from
Taiwan. So I did a thing on she's on first which is Stan she
the head of Acer and who H O is on second this kind of just same
joke with with a Chinese names, right? And it was it was
actually quite well constructed was very funny. One of the
editors said you're good to eat. So I'm gonna run this but you're
gonna get in trouble. They're going to be nothing but
complaints about this because it's like racist or whatever
they said, Right? Not one single person said anything.
I'm going to, we're going to go see Uncle Don and I'm Meg. We
have to do a trip to New York and it's time you know these
people in their 80s If and and I don't know he's he's written his
book but I don't I think he's having trouble getting it
published so I'm gonna have to work on him because I want to
publish it. God do I want to publish that book. But I'm going
to record him doing one of his Asian accents. He was ambassador
to Korea and he has he does this thing about ship debajo which I
can't do but I'm going to record I'm gonna going to record the
ship debajo story. He has so many of them. And he doesn't
care.
Now, a lot of people don't care. I personally find it very
offensive.
Yeah, I fell across something. And, and I looked it up to
figure out what was going on. This was a State Department
briefing, you know, I love to watch him. Uh, Jen Psaki is
back? Oh, yay. Yay. Let's see if I can crank this up loud enough
so you can get the question. Clearly, an anti Hillary move.
Device. Pro Publica has a story saying that. It has asked the
State Department to release the names of the so called special
government employees at the State Department. These are
people listed department Trump can also receive income from
outside sources.
Are you hearing this? What this is about?
Yeah, so yeah, I hear it very well, as a matter of fact is
he's asking the question about double dipping?
Yes, the special government employees. And as it turns out,
the State Department has 100 special government employees.
And they can
be on government dole and they can also be on some corporate
dole.
Yes. Well, in fact, if you look up the definition, some ethics
provisions that allow two executive branch employees apply
differently to any employee who qualifies as a s g special
government employee. This was this category was created in
1962. And as defined as G is an officer employee who was
retained designated, appointed or employed to perform temporary
duties, with or without compensation for not more than
130 days during any period of 365 consecutive days. The STE
category should be distinguished from other categories of
individuals who serve executive branch agencies. So this is
basically saying that, you know, someone may have a great job
somewhere. But we really need them in government that really
special really, really special so we can bring them in for no
more than 130 days on temporary basis. This question, by the way
is about one special government employee in particular. Uma
Aberdeen
Ah, good because my next clip will be right in that same
league.
What's perfect so uma Aberdeen was working for the huge
consultancy that that Bill Clinton was a part of. At the
same time, she was the body man for Secretary of State Hillary
Clinton. I doubt she was only on the road 130 days of any 365
But this is not a she was Hillary that's bullcrap.
Exactly. And I have a feeling that this is part of the getting
ready to do anything to stop Hillary Clinton vibe whoever is
behind it. But that's why this of course is cropping up and you
can look out for it now. But we'll also find out there were
at least 100 Other special government employees and and
astounding that these waivers are made in government now that
people can play both sides and essentially enrich themselves or
their their industries and their businesses with inside
information. It should be stopped.
So that was it. That was the clip.
Oh, there's more to it. But it's it's okay. Well,
let me play a couple clips I got here but one of the experts and
consultants that was on this was on fan cat French TV. And this
is a some just some interesting discussions about what went
wrong in the Middle East. And it starts with this one clip of how
the USA sides with the Muslim Brotherhood. And the reason it's
interesting to me is because uma Aberdeen, who is a consultant to
Hillary during this era, where they all the Arab Spring took
place a
guy just wrote a book has clear ties to the Muslim
Brotherhood, she is connected to the Muslim Brotherhood. So let's
just play a couple of these clips. This by the way, as part
of the clip list,
and that instead decided to support the Islamic
fundamentalists or groups such as the Muslim Brotherhood. It's
really quite difficult to understand why Washington and
the European capitals would do something like that. That's an
absolutely amazing question. We are still trying to answer it
not just one book. I hope there'll be other authors who
will go and investigate the inside To the governments, both
in France and in the United States and elsewhere. In my
view, the West in general made three mistakes. Number one, we
did not understand that civil society was ready for an
uprising in the Middle East, we completely relied either on the
regimes or Barack on the one hand or acid on the other hand,
and on the end, we did not partner except with the Islamist
so when the first cycle came in Egypt, Libya, Tunisia, and a
little bit of Syria, it was truly young people, women,
minorities, we saw them on TV. But immediately after that, the
Islamist well organised, very sophisticated, took over, the
massive mistake we made was when we concentrated everything on
those Islamist, our advisors, both in Washington and in
Brussels, told us the Islamist, an agent of reform, and
revolution, but it took Washington a long time before
they decided to push Mubarak out for that time, precisely. And I
mentioned in my book, as long as these were not the Islamist
leading the movement and the Brotherhood were on the side, if
you remember, then the advisors in the White House and other
places said let's wait and see. When the Brotherhood moved in,
became in the centre of Tahrir Square, then Mr. Mubarak was
called to leave, which means to me that the partnership between
the Brotherhood and the advisors of the administration is a long
one. It's not just an ad hoc.
Oh, yeah. It's been going on for decades.
Yeah, yeah, we're right in bed with the guys who are supposedly
protecting ourselves from and let's go to part two, what's the
name of this guy's book is called Arab Spring Islamist
winter.
catchy title?
Yeah, I thought so too, is alright, this part two need
setup? I know it's just a little more logic here. But it's
difficult to believe that, as I say, the United States would
have such a policy, what interest is it for the United
States and Western Europe to have Islamist fundamentalists in
power in the Middle East? Well, actually, today's opposition in
the Arab world are counter arguing. So it's not even the
experts. The settlers in Egypt, secularism, Tunisia, if we hear
what they're saying, they will tell you we have not been
received, even before the Arab Spring. I mean, how many
delegations were received in Washington State Department,
National Security Council and the White House not speaking
about the Congress, the Congress did try to receive, they will
tell you it's uniquely Muslim Brotherhood and but within NGOs,
within other NGOs, the real reason is that there was a
theory that the Islamist are well organised and that the
Islamist will eventually stop the jihadist meaning work with
moderates, we have been told that as long as our moderates,
there will be a real wall to stop the jihadist we did not
understand that it's one ideology, one with the weapon
and one without.
So is that I use the word so yeah. What he's saying here, and
if you remember, during this period, it was true. They only
brought over people don't people they brought to talk to to
Washington, which all the right wing talk show guys went
ballistic about. And they but they didn't understand the
mechanism. Were Muslim Brotherhood guys, they never
brought anybody else over, nobody was received, as the guy
says. And now the the interesting little last little
tidbit here is the part is the third part of this little talk,
where he mentioned that it was almost as if pulling out of
Iraq, when they pulled out was to let the Iranians be able to
cross the rack to go help the Syrians, the Assad regime are
normally started to help the Syrian radicals, if you will
just play this. And you'll see, it's just a weird coincidence
that all this is just keeping the same problems in play.
Coincidence, I think not. Another point in your book, you
say that President Obama missed an opportunity to fix the Syrian
conflict before withdrawing troops from Iraq? In what way?
Could he have fixed that, given that it was out of the question
then as it is now to send troops to Syria? Precisely, we had the
troops around, we didn't have to send any more troops. What I was
arguing about is when the Syrian opposition or the Syrian
uprising began was in March of 2011. And President Obama wanted
to withdraw all forces from Iraq by the end of 2011. So to the
east of Syria to the east of President Assad regime, you had
coalition forces, and by the mere fact that we have separated
Syria from Iran, help was not coming to the Assad regime. We
had our eye air bases in Iraq. We were present in Iraq, Turkey
in the north Jordan in the south, six feet in the
Mediterranean, the Assad regime itself would have started to
make significant concessions because this is geopolitics
or what does that mean?
What he's saying is that it's almost as if we if we would have
helped Syria early ly As with the other operations where we
just waited and wait until the Muslim Brotherhood took over,
there was really the opposition at that time was only consisting
of, you know, true Syrians that were into democracy and they
were secularists. But to, but to allow the the Iranians to metal
and also anyone else who wanted to get into to keep this thing
going to the point, he's suggesting that our goal is to
put radical Islamists into these power spots, not let Assad stay
there not let some normal people take over the place. But only
Islamist and so by pulling out of Iraq and letting the the
people flow from Iran, across into Syria to screw things up
more so it could be into a situation developed devolve into
a situation similar to Egypt. His basic thesis is that we're
behind. I mean, I've always thought it was just to create
lots of rubble, but we're apparently for some reason,
behind mostly Muslim Brotherhood types taking over the place. And
because supposedly, we've been convinced that these people are
not the same as the other bad Islamists.
And why do you think that
is? Why do you I generally use my Avidan right, but when I
think it's I think it's a corruption. I don't think that
we know what we're doing. I think uma Avidin piece of
impartial of the Muslim Muslim Brotherhood, which was once a
violent organisation, these are Islam is just posing as peace
lovers. But we saw what happened when this guy got in as a as the
head of Egypt. He's immediately started trying to institute
Sharia law and change things on the books and cause it you know,
cause nothing but trouble make people wear, you know, head
scarves and all the rest of it. It happened in Tunisia. Tunisia
is even a better example.
Well, that's where it kind of started but I think, here's the
sad thing is that it's of course, it's corruption. It's
about money, it's about whatever, but that these people
and I will say, you know, the Clintons, the bushes and Obama,
they don't understand the history of these cultures, these
religions, these regions, and I think they just have like math,
whatever, we'll deal with it when it happens. Like we can
always mom them out of existence or whatever. I think it's a
hubris that they really don't understand what these people
are, you're probably right
because they're so easily in, influenced by people with with a
clue. And I would put uhm, Aberdeen into that category. She
has a clue. She's got a lot. But talking about a not
understanding cultures. I think we should probably listen to
this clip, which is the India justice minister. Okay.
This story came in from India, the country's top law
enforcement officer is under fire for saying this during a
news conference about legalising gambling of all topics. Central
Bureau of Investigation chief Ranjit Sinha said, and we quote,
If you can't prevent rape, you might as well enjoy it says he
was talking about gambling and his comment was taken out of
context of the comments caused immediate outrage across India
not too long ago. There were huge protests after the deadly
gang rape of a young medical student on the New Delhi bus.
Ah, yes, the curry Devorah consulting groups crisis
management division could be called to task for this one.
We need to get that guy out of the country that
Dick Okay. Dick Blitz, here is V. J. 44, the true President of
the United States of America, a highest adviser to the
president, Valerie Jarrett, as she dances around the Health
Care website deadline of the end of November.
The countdown clock Yes, healthcare.gov. You have?
Literally a lot,
you have a good memory. Unfortunately, I can't believe
you're asking me that smart people
in positions of power, were highly focused on the idea of
making sure the website worked. And clearly it hasn't worked the
way you or many people would hope. What can you tell us now
that that would give us some confidence that the next few
weeks will be different from the last few and that you guys have
figured out how to fix
it? It's a fair question. I mean, obviously, there's no one
more frustrated and the president of the website hasn't
lived up to our expectations. But he has taken immediate
action of bringing in a team to help supplement the team that's
there. Jeff signs who has a lot of history in the business
community starting up companies managing did an excellent job
when he worked for the administration as performance
officer and two stances ahead of the Office of Budget and
Management is over there now full time working with a team of
innovators to try to correct the problems and we are seeing
progress And it's complicated and it's challenging but the
President has made it very very clear that we're going to just
keep grinding away it until we get it right and we are looking
towards the end of the month to see substantial progress and,
and Jeff feels comfortable that we are on target for that.
Screwed
well, you made her king.
Hello.
She's all a guy got one. All right, tell me you're gonna get
objective reporting from any network when you hear a
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It's just a promotion machine.
I think we should end it right there, John.
Okay, we can do that.
That is there you go. Your mainstream media, just a
promotion machine is getting worse by the minute. You can
only turn to the people that you trust the most. Which hopefully
is us sometimes. Well, we certainly try. We really do. We
read. We analyse and we take no money from nobody but us, us
guys and gals. Thank you so much. And we'll do it again on
Sunday. I do have a couple of things I'm working on. I got
some Euro land stuff. Agenda 21 Common Core stuff. Kind of
funny. This is what your kids will be dealing with in school.
Unless we can put a stop to it. And, or L and I'll be coming to
you from Amsterdam. Hey, that's right, leaving tomorrow.
Even on a jet plane. That's
right. So the all all things willing, everything goes well,
we should be talking to you from Amsterdam. And I think we have a
like a 10 hour difference because they haven't changed in
timezone and for Daylight Saving Time. It'd be fun. So I'll start
at 7pm in the morning. Coming to you for FEMA Region six here in
Austin, Texas. In the morning. I'm Adam curry
and from Northern Silicon Valley, which is FEMA Region
nine. Is that where we are? I don't think so. It's depressing.
I'm John C. Dvorak.
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