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get an automatic chick magnet.
Adam curry, John C. Dvorak.

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Sunday, December 14 2014. Time
for your gizmo nation media

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assassination episode 678.

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This is no agenda,

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celebrating sequential annual
numerical patterns and fewer

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region six, the capital of the
drone star states, Austin, Texas

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in the morning, everybody. I'm
Adam curry

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and from Northern Silicon Valley
where everybody's slipping and

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sliding. I'm John C. Dvorak.
Craig bobbin, Buzzkill. You got

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freeze? No, I've just started
say that.

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Why, wow, they really don't
record the weather anywhere

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else. It's freezing and frosty.
Wow. All right. So we start off

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with some legislation right off
the bat, John, just to get it

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going. Just everyone can get
into the mood.

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On average, just put, let me
pull up my Greenpeace stuff

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first. I've got plaster all over
the house

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and your Greenpeace stuff. You
know, I'm familiar with the

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story, I guess. And I'm very
familiar with the story. But

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I I've decided to put those
signs everywhere.

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I wanted to want to read a
little piece of legislation

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while everyone was paying
attention to what are we paying

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attention to? Oh, yes. We had
the torture report. What else do

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we have? We had the never ending
torture. Torture is yes. The

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spending bill. We had a little
spending bill that I guess last

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night they they decided okay,
good to go. We'll we'll sign off

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on that.

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After a long theater theater,
like Sure. Well, of course.

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Sure. Rod. A Sure. Rod.

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There was also another act that
passed that didn't get a lot of

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attention. is Bill 4681. Passed
the I believe that has now

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passed the House and the Senate

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and the House Bill 4681.

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Let me check. Yes, it is. And
this is the short title is the

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intelligence Authorization Act
for Fiscal Year 2015.

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This sounds good already.

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Yeah. And there is a there's a
couple of things in here. You're

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increasing employee compensation
benefits. Let's see. software

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licensing. I gotta make sure
everyone's paid. But then

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section 309. Which in the final
bill, this bill, in the final

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version of the bill is actually
titled correctly. It was Miss

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titled up until this final
version. I'm wondering if I have

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the MS title was actually funny.
And that's why I think it

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escaped a lot of people's
attention. Let me see if I

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happen to be able to find the
missed title. It was very cute.

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I can't find it offhand. It
doesn't matter. It is now

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correctly titled procedures for
the retention of incidentally

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acquired communications. Yeah.

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It's already a winner. It's
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This of course, you will find
marked up in your show notes at

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678 dot no agenda notes.com. The
best place to find all the show

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notes is archived at no agenda
notes.com section 309 procedures

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for the retention of
incidentally, acquired

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communications we need some some
definitions first, John, as you

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know, this is how legal
documents work. And as a legal

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groupie, i i fawn over this
stuff. A definition is in the

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section covered communication.
So this is the communication

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section 309 is going to be
talking about the term covered

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communication means any
nonpublic telephone, or

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electronic communication
acquired without the consent of

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a person who was a party to the
communication, including

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communications in electronic
storage. I think that pretty

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much covers everything, doesn't
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Right. Sounds pretty good. Yeah,
pretty comprehensive

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right down to electronic
storage, I think that is known

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as the cloud. Then we have
another definition head of an

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element of the intelligence
community. This is the people

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who are allowed to authorize
this. That can be the head of

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the intelligence community or
the head of the department or

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agency containing such elements.
So again, pretty much everybody

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know the definition United
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know what a United States person
is this this term is relatable

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to the Foreign Intelligence
Surveillance Act of 1978. So a

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United States person is any
person but also any company, any

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entity that is a legal entity in
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have the procedures for the
covered communications. Here's

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where it gets interesting. The
application of the procedure

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shall apply to any intelligence
collection activity, not

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otherwise authorized by court
order. So when I saw this jumped

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out at me, this is part of my
Tourette superpowers. These

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words just what? So if the if
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warrant for a surveillance or
intelligence collection, as they

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call it here, that would fall
under the not otherwise

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authorized. I guess that would
also be like emails between you

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and I, if there was no warrant?

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Yeah, then I just happened to
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accident by looking at him.

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It's even better than that.
Let's see. So not otherwise

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authorized by any of these
processes that is reasonably

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anticipated to result in the
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communication to or from a
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permit the acquisition,
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dissemination of covered
communications subject to the

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limitation in paragraph B. So
this is for any communication

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outside of court orders. That
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acquisition. So by going to, for
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hey, here is the law that has
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signed yet. But we're expecting
the President to sign this into

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law. I have written here I can
acquire and retain and

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disseminate this communication
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definitions of covered
communications. A give that to

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me. And this is and the
limitation on retention is five

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years, however, you can do
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is my favorite. Retention is
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imminent threat to human life.
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the threat and the information
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to the Congressional
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later than 30 days after the
date, such retention is extended

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under this clause. Now we know
what the eminent means these

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days. Do you remember

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is just about anything he
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really mad I mean, it doesn't

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imminent means it doesn't even
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just if it's assumed,

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like this 16 year old kid,
American citizen gunned down by

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a drone in a public Cafe

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imminent threat, he you never
know what he was doing. Yeah, he

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knows what and so they can do
all this. And then don't even

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have to report on it until 30
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section 309. Everybody.

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So what do you think is new
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important.

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It leads it legitimizes Wow,
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and retention of communications
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United States person

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asked law because they're doing
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Well, okay, you can see it as
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the piece that has always been
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anything if there's a US person
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there's no foreign

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well they never said that or
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well now it has this this is for
anything for any communication

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not otherwise authorized. So
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United States personally does
not have to have a foreigner

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involved in the covered
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new

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10 bucks just doesn't pass

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well it's passed all it has to
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president he's gonna line item
veto this or something. This is

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bad. This

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is either not gonna sign I don't
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Senate's looked at it. Yes.

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I'm pretty sure Hold on. Let me
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sure that this has passed both
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I don't think so.

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Okay, I could be wrong. Mr. What
is this password? What does this

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bullcrap look at a password
stick. Let me see what I'm, I

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thought it passed both houses.
John's

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looking here. I'm looking at the
HR 4681. Gov track. Yeah,

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exactly. 4681. What do we have
going in there as well?

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Barbara Lee voted no.

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Wow. It must have been no money
in it for her. Yes. Past house

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past Senate. They've now they're
resolving differences, which I

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think is the one I just read to

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you. Prognosis on a golf track
has 31% chance of being enacted?

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Well, it has passed both houses.
So there's a that gives it a

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good chance. Regardless, the
representatives pass this,

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they don't care. They don't care
about the public. Yeah, I even

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knew this was going on and she
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Rogers. Yes, I know.

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It's his bill. Isn't that great?
One more before I become a DJ

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this guy's living in a dream
world he can

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he can probably go on the Hey
everybody. It's Mike Rogers here

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on the Premiere Radio Networks.
Yes, I am the author of HR four

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six anyone's Caruso. Do babassu

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Okay, the last day okay, yeah,
this thing doesn't keep up with

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things. This has been going on
most of the year.

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I was this was in committee I
guess a lot, which makes sense.

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And the committee's of course
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was in committee in May in May,
and it's getting kicked out and

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it was in Senate committee in
July. It was taken forever.

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But here it is. Alright. Just
just just a warm up

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to cover your ass bill. It's
just the same thing with the

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wood. I do have a couple of last
minute annoyances. Okay about

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the stupid Spygate. Should I
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I call it to rectal rehydration
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rehydrate. Now the rehydration
was only one it's defeating.

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That was the one that is stuck
to Hamas. Rectal feeding you

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guys like hummus? Oh, you Arab
you like hummus?

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Can I play one clip before you
get into a play because I had

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this as a hatin on Jake Tapper.
Let's, first of all, that let's

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let's let's differentiate if we
can for the sake of this

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conversation between the abuses
the things that were not the

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sound authorized, such as the
rectal rehydration stop. Okay,

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that was a medical procedure
that was done because of

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detainee health.

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This, this gets so good. This is
so good. Wait till you hear what

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winter medical procedure.

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It's the people responsible
there for the health of these

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detainees saw that they were
becoming dehydrated. They had

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limited options in which to go
do this. It was intravenous with

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needles, which would be
dangerous with a noncooperative

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detainee. It was through the
nasal passage

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rain, Hamas and pine nuts. And,

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Jake, I'm not a doctor, and
neither of us told us this is

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one of the ways that the body is
rehydrated. These were medical

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procedures and to give you a
sense really defending Michael

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rehydration, but I'm defending
his history.

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It's not rectal rehydration. Its
history. I thought that was the

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best exchange I've ever seen on
television.

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Yeah, that's actually border
link Tip of the Day. Well, you

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don't have to give it to me if
you don't feel I'm not okay. I

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thought that was just great
hummus and pine nuts. you're

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dehydrated son needed some
hummus and pine nuts not

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a doctor and neither are you.
I'm not a doctor. You got to

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pull that little sub segment
out. Was it I'm not a doctor and

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neither I loot use that was I
think it was it was part again.

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Oh, that's good. But I started
cleaning it up almost like can

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we get it back? Okay, it'll just
take a moment. Let's first of

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all, let's uh,

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let's let's differentiate
Camilla, Camilla, Jake, Tammy.

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And we can for the sake of this
conversation between the abuses

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the things that were not
authorized, such as the rectal

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rehydration stop

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that was a medical procedure
that was done because of

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detainee health that the people
that responsible

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you don't look so good some
people there for the health of

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these are like Hamas UAE Rab

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detainees saw that they were
becoming dehydrated. They had

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limited options in which to go
duty we can isolate this

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intravenous with needles, which
will be dangerous with a

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noncooperative detainee. It was
through the nasal passage

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rain hummus and pine nuts and
Jake

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I'm not a doctor and neither are
you. But that's it.

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Jake, I'm not a doctor. And
neither are you.

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It sounds like the old Star Trek
show does. But Dr. Jim

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I'll see if I can if I can
splice them together.

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There is one floating around the
internet where he worried he go

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McCoy goes the whole of them he
barely dropped the seasons he

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would say is I'm not this I'm an
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not I'm not a psychiatrist or
something. Yeah.

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yeah, well so I'm watching the I
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this and I finally got fed up
and I decided to pull my clip

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which I left out of the last
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and then I had to cut it and I
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what it was and I

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can tell that you were irritated
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caps. You can see if I look at
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so I had the clips in
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look at them in by creation
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second. This is good. I

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said, I don't know if I should
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gonna call me out on $1 bet

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with yourself. Yes. Okay, which
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I got it. I got it for shorties
because Shields and Brooks. I

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figured at least one of these
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apologist for

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another shoe is this. What is
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news our commentators that come
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liberals either one of them have
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No, but shields should. Okay.
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them should they both have bow
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Brooks, they've the columnist
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I was so disappointed that
neither one of them again, both

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on the same side of the debate,
oh, and the thing that keeps

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cropping up, even though I don't
know if these clips continued, I

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know the next one does is all
they knew there. And yeah, I got

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sick of it because Rodriguez and
oh, they were brief 65 times.

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The Senate knew the Senate knew
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what was

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going on. I knew what was going
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So that's got on my nerves. So
please, Shields and Brooks one

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for starters, to show where
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Trump's killing is worth
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those moral laws, except for
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view, just very quickly to both
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how the CIA comes out of it, I

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think damaged and molded. I
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is trying to do.

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What? What he's trying to damage
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Yeah, I wonder if that's just a
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is it Freudian slip? Um, okay.
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you would say, I'm not so sure
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So let's try.

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If I would, if it were me, you
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I would do the same thing. Yes.
I would Shields and Brooks to

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this to a disk started this
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grading other human beings who
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there was a lot of people.

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Hey, were you were you regularly
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chain, a lot of people in
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public. And so we're trying to
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trying to rediscover a moral
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a public that did this. This is
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then I go, I hope these guys are
sold out. Yeah. Because blaming

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the public and all the rest of
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that's Al Jazeera definitely is
not going to be like this. But

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was I wrong? Yes. Woolsey. Echo
one of the ex CIA guys standing

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up for his buddies. The
threesome that were in charge

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during this. Peter who was
Woolsey again, was he was a CIA

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director. He was a director. Big
Three. He was one that came

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later I believe.

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He was short I don't think he
was in very long was he

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was short time to clean look and
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Report from Woolsey. Woolsey on

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report up to final question for
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this report was accusing the CIA
of misleading Congress and

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civilians. The CIA, by nature,
its clandestine, has clandestine

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operations, it needs to hide
things that are going on. But

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does it need to hide things from
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public?

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I take at their word, the three
former directors who signed the

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letter to the Wall Street
Journal today along with some of

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their other senior colleagues,
that they had fully informed the

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Congress and I think that it
would be ridiculous of them not

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to inform the Congress of some
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conceive of they're not having
done so. But the people who

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spoke and the people who were
spoken to No, again, it is

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really an extraordinary that the
people who put this democratic

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majority report together for the
Congress did not talk to a

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single person inside the
government in the CIA or

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anywhere else who was involved
in pulling this program

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together. They decided to edit
things the way they wanted. So

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it would say what they wanted it
to say and that is

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extraordinarily deceptive as far
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That seems like that's what
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the other reason why people
don't care about this these

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kinds of reports it because they
don't give a shit no, it's not

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it's not produced properly. If
you want to get people's

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attention here's how the report
should sound final question for

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you labile Santa accusing the
misleading that's how that's how

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you get people's attention.

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Meanwhile, of course to him and
everybody else is throwing the

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committee under the bus of the
drawing was Feinstein got is

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established long term supporter
of the CIA thrown under the bus

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all the rest of and keep you
hearing this nonsense about oh,

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they were fully informed. They
knew what was going on. They

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knew this. They knew that. And
we already had the the staff guy

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from Powell call Colin Powell
was chief of staff saying

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they've got that tenant,
Georgetown was just a liar. But

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okay, let's just ignore that. So
let's let's listen to the the

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Senate Committees, code that not
to the Vice Chair, Jay

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Rockefeller. This is clipped
down a little bit because he

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went on for an hour. But here's
here is an example of how well

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informed they

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were. Now. Do you want the
summary or the

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summary the summary? Sorry, that
was very

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hard fight to get to this point,
especially in the early years as

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the CIA's detention program. It
was a struggle for the

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committee. Due to get the most
basic information or any

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information all about the
program, one of the profound

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ways that the breakdown happened
was through the act of

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subversion of meaningful
congressional oversight. They

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further refused to notify the
full committee about the

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program's existence, you
remember, there was always the

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Gang of Four, the Gang of Six,
the Gang of Eight, they take the

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chairman and vice chairman, take
them down to the White House,

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give them a flip chart. 45
minutes with the Vice President,

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off we go. Senator Roberts might
want to see

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this flip chart, then here's
your pine nuts. And here's your

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hummus. And here's your rectum

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that showed nothing. He is
YouTube hard,

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were instructed, we couldn't
talk to each other. On the way

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back from one of those meetings.
It was absurd. They further

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refused to notify the full
committee about the program's

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existence. You remember, there
was always the Gang of Four, the

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Gang of Six, the Gang of Eight,
they take the chairman and vice

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chairman, take them down to the
White House, give him a flip

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chart and

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you just say that double up per
se,

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I must have screwed up. Play
that played out

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45 minutes with the Vice
President. Off we go. Senator

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Roberts and I went down by car
and were instructed we couldn't

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talk to each other on the way
back from one of those meetings.

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It was absurd.

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Of course, we didn't do a
question question. That seems

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now that it's very hard for
anyone to really get to a

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central focus of this. We have.
One is what is torture? What is

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not torture? Two Who authorized
who did not authorize three?

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Who, who lied to whom? Was it
effective? And is this RBR? The

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moral compass? What? I think
there's too many things, no one

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can focus on one thing. So if
the media now is saying, hey,

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turns out CIA, they had shills
given us false information. Wow.

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When the Pentagon calls and says
we have a guy we'd like you to

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put on as an expert. Does that
ring a bell anywhere? Is that?

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Is this really what the media is
now claiming?

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Yeah, yes. I mean, it's
astonishing. I can't believe it,

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how now.

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But the thing that I keep coming
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the NSA was a year ago. Here's
what the CIA is. And I have

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people who disagree with me
about this NSA CIA fight, but it

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seems so obvious this is Counter
Strike. It makes

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sense that it is. So let's play
the rest of that. And then we'll

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well this ended I have I have
Jay Rockefeller testimony clip.

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I'll play that. I'm sorry. It's
a piece of it. That shouldn't be

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well, it does. We don't have to
go any further. But you get the

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idea. The committee was not
informed. The obfuscated they

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wouldn't let people talk to each
other in the full committee was

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never informed. It was the so
these guys didn't know anything.

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And they couldn't get any
information. He goes on to

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discuss it they wouldn't get
they asked for this. They asked

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for that. If it's annoying that
this is the wrong clip.

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Well, do you want to listen to
the testimony clip, maybe it's

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very hard fight to get to this
point, especially in the early

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years the CIA's detention
program. It was a struggle for

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the committee to get the most
basic information or any

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information all about the
program. The committee study of

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the detention program is not
just the story of the brutal and

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ill conceived program itself.
The study is also the story of

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the breakdown in our system.
Madam president of governance

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that allowed us

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at Feinstein's was just talking
there in the background is not

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there. I thought it was
President

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of governance that allowed a
country to deviate in such a

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significant and horrific way
from our core principles. One of

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the profound ways that the
breakdown happened was through

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the act of subversion of
meaningful congressional

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oversight. A theme mirrored in
the Bush administration's

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warrantless wiretapping program
during that period, I first

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learned about some aspects of
the CIA's attention

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interrogation program in 2003.
When I became vice chair of the

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committee at that point, and for
years after the CIA refused to

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provide me or anybody else with
any additional information about

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the program, they further
refused to notify the full

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committee about the program's
existence. You remember, there

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was always the Gang of Four, the
Gang of Six of the Gang of

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Eight, they take the chairman
and vice chairman, take them

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down to the White House, give
them a flip chart. 45 minutes

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with the Vice President. Off we
go. Senator Roberts night, went

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down by car and were instructed
we couldn't talk to each other

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on the way back from one of
those meetings. It was absurd.

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They refuse to do anything to be
of assistance. The briefings I

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Pre receive proceeded little or
no insight into the CIA's

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program questions or follow up
requests were rejected and the

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times I was not allowed to
consult with my counsel.

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All right, kind of goes on and
on. Indicating, of course, that

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if the media listened to his
testimony, they would maybe be a

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little more less lenient, as
well. They were informed a we

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knew they knew everything. We
briefed them hundreds of times

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now, like

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he didn't actually say this in
public that it was on C span or

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anything like you could kind of
hear him say that or read even a

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transcript of what he said.
Right? Well, okay, so your

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surprise is what you're saying.

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I'm stunned.

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If Don, Uncle Don, now known to
the uncle formerly known as

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Uncle Don, road, he sent me an
email. Do you think I should

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write a letter to the editor of
the New York Times? And I think

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I probably fucked up. What did
you do? Well, I said, Yeah, but

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no, oh, you should

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have said no, that's what I
said. I

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said, No, I don't think it'll
make any difference. I think the

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New York Times is all in on
everything.

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And I gotta read his letter.
Well, they did. Oh, no,

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they did He say, Would you like
me to read it to you? It's not

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that long.

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You're gonna keep me keep
teasing me all day, the whole

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show to the

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editor regarding CIA director
rebuts report calling

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interrogators patriots front
pages number 12. As someone who

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spent 31 years as a Central
Intelligence Agency operations

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officer in 1951. In 1982, I
speak in support of what John O

455
00:26:31,560 --> 00:26:35,250
Brennan, the CIA director tried
to do on Thursday, he reminded

456
00:26:35,250 --> 00:26:38,430
us that the CIA works for the
notice. He's saying the CIA

457
00:26:38,760 --> 00:26:41,220
works for the executive branch
of the government and that the

458
00:26:41,220 --> 00:26:44,400
agency had been ordered by
President George W. Bush to

459
00:26:44,400 --> 00:26:47,280
become both jail keeper and
interrogator of suspected

460
00:26:47,280 --> 00:26:50,940
terrorists, things that had
never done before. In addition,

461
00:26:51,240 --> 00:26:53,580
the Bush administration's
Attorney General Albert R.

462
00:26:53,580 --> 00:26:57,000
Gonzalez, aided by the Justice
Department lawyer, John C, you

463
00:26:57,870 --> 00:27:01,890
constructed a legal framework.
That's my favorite word allowing

464
00:27:01,890 --> 00:27:04,620
quote enhanced interrogation
techniques to be applied to

465
00:27:04,620 --> 00:27:07,560
selected prisoners and asserting
that these techniques including

466
00:27:07,560 --> 00:27:10,920
waterboarding did not amount to
torture. Mr. Brennan's remarks

467
00:27:10,920 --> 00:27:13,590
raised the question of why the
CIA was ordered to do these

468
00:27:13,590 --> 00:27:17,730
things in the first place. So
you hear he's going right

469
00:27:17,820 --> 00:27:20,640
during, during my career,
including service and wartime

470
00:27:20,640 --> 00:27:23,640
Vietnam, the agency worked
against torture. And I

471
00:27:23,640 --> 00:27:26,220
personally saw repeated evidence
that humane interrogation

472
00:27:26,220 --> 00:27:29,670
produce far better results than
torture, which sowed only

473
00:27:29,670 --> 00:27:33,180
confusion shattered lives and
bitter feelings. I will say when

474
00:27:33,180 --> 00:27:36,570
I read this paragraph, if he's
telling me that he personally

475
00:27:36,570 --> 00:27:40,110
saw repeated evidence that
humane interrogation produce far

476
00:27:40,110 --> 00:27:42,570
better results than torture,
that means he must have

477
00:27:42,570 --> 00:27:44,160
witnessed the results of
torture.

478
00:27:45,630 --> 00:27:47,520
You could infer that the

479
00:27:47,520 --> 00:27:51,120
painful answer to the question
of why is that President Bush

480
00:27:51,120 --> 00:27:54,090
and Vice President Dick Cheney,
having failed to prevent 911 in

481
00:27:54,090 --> 00:27:57,270
the first place, lost faith in
America's ability to deal

482
00:27:57,270 --> 00:28:00,510
traditionally with the crisis
that occurred on their watch,

483
00:28:00,660 --> 00:28:03,540
and ordered actions to be taken
that are alien to the basic

484
00:28:03,540 --> 00:28:07,380
nature of our country. The
question must be asked, why did

485
00:28:07,380 --> 00:28:10,320
we lose faith in ourselves and
what can be done to prevent that

486
00:28:10,320 --> 00:28:14,550
from happening again? Donald P.
Gregg writers, former United

487
00:28:14,550 --> 00:28:17,310
States Ambassador to South
Korea, and I told him don't

488
00:28:17,310 --> 00:28:19,980
write the don't write, it's
gonna be the first of all, who

489
00:28:20,250 --> 00:28:25,170
reads the letters to the editor?
Other letter writers? Yeah. And

490
00:28:25,170 --> 00:28:26,730
the editor, presumably,

491
00:28:26,820 --> 00:28:28,350
presumably, maybe.

492
00:28:29,160 --> 00:28:30,780
But it is true that

493
00:28:30,990 --> 00:28:35,310
but got approved by the by the
agency to go into the New York

494
00:28:35,310 --> 00:28:41,010
Times. Oh, there you go. So he
if nothing else, he did get the

495
00:28:41,010 --> 00:28:44,370
CIA guys currently operating it.
So he's doing two things he's

496
00:28:44,370 --> 00:28:47,400
saying gentian and maybe he can
push a little bit for that North

497
00:28:47,400 --> 00:28:48,060
Korea thing?

498
00:28:49,200 --> 00:28:54,990
Well, he's saying two things.
One is Bush W we hated and hate.

499
00:28:55,710 --> 00:28:56,490
And Cheney.

500
00:28:57,690 --> 00:28:59,550
They blame highly of him either
and bid

501
00:28:59,550 --> 00:29:02,970
on them. No, he does not think
highly of him. But he's the

502
00:29:02,970 --> 00:29:06,690
question he asked. I think there
is this is, although we can give

503
00:29:06,690 --> 00:29:09,330
them the answer. Why did we lose
faith in ourselves and what can

504
00:29:09,330 --> 00:29:12,750
be done to prevent that from
happening? We don't care. We

505
00:29:12,750 --> 00:29:16,470
watch movies where we were the
badass we got football games

506
00:29:16,470 --> 00:29:22,320
with military halftime and
starts and and flyovers fly bys.

507
00:29:22,320 --> 00:29:28,230
And we are a sadistic,
militaristic jibber Ionis and

508
00:29:28,230 --> 00:29:31,350
what can be done about it? I
like it. I don't think it can be

509
00:29:31,350 --> 00:29:37,170
turned back. Well, but anyway,
so I told him, don't do it. And

510
00:29:37,170 --> 00:29:38,730
then he did it. And I have a
feeling that he's

511
00:29:38,730 --> 00:29:41,640
I'm glad that he takes your
advice. There's my

512
00:29:41,670 --> 00:29:45,090
there's the podcasters influence
on policy everybody everywhere.

513
00:29:45,420 --> 00:29:45,570
Now

514
00:29:45,570 --> 00:29:49,260
the point that I made my point
is that I'm sick of these guys

515
00:29:49,260 --> 00:29:52,770
with this and I'm so
disappointed AlJazeera I mean, I

516
00:29:52,770 --> 00:29:56,430
thought they and they were all
in on on attacking Feinstein in

517
00:29:56,430 --> 00:29:59,580
the report. And they had Woolsey
on I don't know where they dug

518
00:29:59,580 --> 00:30:00,690
him up. But they did and

519
00:30:00,690 --> 00:30:03,180
what do you what do you expect
AlJazeera to be doing?

520
00:30:04,440 --> 00:30:06,870
Well, I thought they do. I mean,
they do promote themselves as a

521
00:30:06,870 --> 00:30:11,430
little more newsy than the
regular outlets, please. Okay.

522
00:30:11,430 --> 00:30:15,090
Okay. The only one that seems to
be actually newsy.

523
00:30:15,390 --> 00:30:18,540
That's it nice. Hey, that's
actually a great a great way to

524
00:30:18,540 --> 00:30:21,750
do it. Al Jazeera. We are born
newsy.

525
00:30:22,530 --> 00:30:25,650
They are, or they were released.
Well, anyway, they've dropped

526
00:30:25,650 --> 00:30:31,800
down in my estimation.
Meanwhile, if you go to some,

527
00:30:32,310 --> 00:30:36,600
some of these, play this one is
did you know this? I mean,

528
00:30:36,720 --> 00:30:39,060
there's all these different
numbers flying around, but play.

529
00:30:39,180 --> 00:30:42,360
This is an analyst. And of
course, this guy shows up on RT

530
00:30:42,360 --> 00:30:45,240
and they're not playing the
game. Because they're one of the

531
00:30:45,240 --> 00:30:48,210
propagandists for Russia,
they're newsy. And well, they're

532
00:30:48,210 --> 00:30:52,020
actually not very busy at all
their property. But they have

533
00:30:53,490 --> 00:30:56,850
this little guy comes on, he's
like, he's, I think he's Irish

534
00:30:56,850 --> 00:31:00,030
or something. Or he's got a very
strange accent, because he can't

535
00:31:00,030 --> 00:31:04,380
pronounce certain things. But he
comes on to it. But he's an

536
00:31:04,380 --> 00:31:08,070
analyst for like a human rights
guy plays 60 countries,

537
00:31:08,220 --> 00:31:11,580
60 countries, could dokie you
don't know who he is, I like to

538
00:31:11,580 --> 00:31:12,480
look these people up.

539
00:31:13,650 --> 00:31:17,850
We knew already, you know, that
we have done a global study

540
00:31:17,970 --> 00:31:21,810
together for the United Nations
in 2010. And we have ways of

541
00:31:21,810 --> 00:31:26,160
making them talk on secret
detention in the fight against

542
00:31:26,160 --> 00:31:30,540
terrorism. And we identified 66
states around the world that

543
00:31:30,540 --> 00:31:33,660
have been using secret
detention. And that means

544
00:31:33,660 --> 00:31:37,020
usually also torture in the
fight against terrorism. And of

545
00:31:37,020 --> 00:31:41,640
course, many of those states
were closely related and

546
00:31:41,640 --> 00:31:44,760
cooperated with the United
States of America. Yes, you

547
00:31:44,760 --> 00:31:47,400
must understand that we are
truly we have control of

548
00:31:47,400 --> 00:31:51,150
everybody in two times 33
countries. It sounds like it's

549
00:31:51,150 --> 00:31:51,900
Austrian

550
00:31:52,260 --> 00:31:56,850
66. So it's like, wow, why even
bother cover and

551
00:31:56,850 --> 00:31:58,830
you name 66 countries?

552
00:31:59,250 --> 00:32:03,060
I probably would take a while if
you want me to do it.

553
00:32:04,140 --> 00:32:06,480
Okay, I'm just, I'm just
surprised. Sure. I

554
00:32:06,480 --> 00:32:07,650
can come up with 66.

555
00:32:07,890 --> 00:32:10,830
Well, you mean, just tying into
this unless you have some other

556
00:32:10,830 --> 00:32:17,520
big rig. I had it. The President
every year has to inform

557
00:32:18,240 --> 00:32:24,000
Congress, the entire Congress, I
guess he maybe it is just the

558
00:32:24,000 --> 00:32:29,250
House of Representatives about
you know, the War Powers

559
00:32:29,250 --> 00:32:33,570
resolution, how he's using the
War Powers, which again, is a

560
00:32:33,570 --> 00:32:36,780
resolution. Hey, and remember,
you said I'll go ahead and you

561
00:32:36,780 --> 00:32:39,270
can all do. You can do some
stuff a little bit your

562
00:32:39,540 --> 00:32:41,700
authorized use of military
force, we have to do this

563
00:32:41,700 --> 00:32:46,020
report. Six Month consolidated
War Powers Resolution report,

564
00:32:46,020 --> 00:32:49,020
man, we are in some great
places. You want a little

565
00:32:49,020 --> 00:32:50,610
overview of what we're doing?
Yeah, I'd

566
00:32:50,610 --> 00:32:52,500
love to know where we are. This
is good. Okay.

567
00:32:52,980 --> 00:32:57,210
Afghanistan. We currently have
I'm summarizing, obviously, we

568
00:32:57,210 --> 00:33:01,530
have the 15,000. People station,
the drawdown should take us to

569
00:33:01,530 --> 00:33:05,580
about 9000. At the end of 2015.

570
00:33:05,790 --> 00:33:09,540
About I interrupt you Sure. Did
you notice you know, we talked

571
00:33:09,540 --> 00:33:13,230
about on the last or the show
before about how now Afghanistan

572
00:33:13,230 --> 00:33:16,020
is like producing 95% of the
world's heroin and

573
00:33:16,020 --> 00:33:19,740
100. I thought it was over like
120% increase in the doing

574
00:33:19,740 --> 00:33:20,220
everything

575
00:33:20,250 --> 00:33:23,490
this way up here. Yeah. You
think that's coincidental with

576
00:33:23,490 --> 00:33:26,700
what we observed earlier about
the one guy they swapped

577
00:33:26,700 --> 00:33:28,470
Bergdahl for oh, yeah,

578
00:33:28,500 --> 00:33:32,490
he was. He was the runner. He's
a superstar. The Tali bond,

579
00:33:32,940 --> 00:33:34,710
Poppy superstar. Yeah, he's a

580
00:33:34,710 --> 00:33:37,260
superstar. They bring him in,
they bring him in, boom, sales

581
00:33:37,260 --> 00:33:37,710
are up,

582
00:33:38,010 --> 00:33:43,470
which is called the pop star,
pop star star. So approximately

583
00:33:43,470 --> 00:33:47,370
15,000 US forces in Afghanistan,
we are on track to draw down to

584
00:33:47,370 --> 00:33:51,810
a force management level. Not
quite sure what that means. But

585
00:33:51,810 --> 00:33:56,040
9800 by early 2015, but this
may, you know, over it may

586
00:33:56,040 --> 00:33:59,400
fluctuate overlap because we're
rotating in or out and fine.

587
00:33:59,400 --> 00:34:02,760
Okay. We have a memorandum of
understanding with the

588
00:34:02,760 --> 00:34:05,910
government to stay in there,
hang out and we'll be there for

589
00:34:05,910 --> 00:34:11,760
a while. Iraq and Syria 3100
personnel and these, of course,

590
00:34:11,760 --> 00:34:16,350
are only providing training,
communication support

591
00:34:16,350 --> 00:34:19,230
intelligence support via the
training means that you're you

592
00:34:19,230 --> 00:34:21,270
have a gun, you're standing next
to the guy and you're saying

593
00:34:21,270 --> 00:34:30,360
watch how I do this. That's
about right. But Somalia. See a

594
00:34:30,360 --> 00:34:35,430
small, small, continue to
squeeze, don't pull, hold your

595
00:34:35,430 --> 00:34:39,810
breath. So we have some special
operations forces who've worked

596
00:34:39,810 --> 00:34:43,170
to counter the terrorist threat
posed by al Qaeda. Oh, that'd be

597
00:34:43,170 --> 00:34:48,960
al Shabaab, of course. Yemen.
Now he's not giving numbers at

598
00:34:48,960 --> 00:34:52,590
this point. He's only just
saying yeah, we got. We've been

599
00:34:52,590 --> 00:34:54,510
working closely with the
Government of Yemen to Operation

600
00:34:54,510 --> 00:34:57,030
dismantle and ultimately
eliminate the terrorist threat

601
00:34:57,030 --> 00:35:01,350
posed by al Qaeda in the Arabian
Peninsula. I love how that al

602
00:35:01,350 --> 00:35:06,180
Qaeda group is just so decimated
Kuba. Of course, that would be

603
00:35:06,630 --> 00:35:11,070
Guantanamo Bay, where we still
have 142 detainees that was

604
00:35:11,070 --> 00:35:15,300
going to be closed and Gitmo
thing of Niger bank.

605
00:35:15,360 --> 00:35:15,690
Yeah.

606
00:35:16,980 --> 00:35:22,530
We have nice air, where we
continue to provide support for

607
00:35:22,530 --> 00:35:25,200
intelligence collection and
facilitate intelligence sharing

608
00:35:25,200 --> 00:35:31,560
with French forces. conducting
operations. We have a shard Is

609
00:35:31,560 --> 00:35:35,100
that how you pronounce it?
Chard, chard. Chad, you say Chad

610
00:35:35,100 --> 00:35:38,340
really doesn't sound right. I
say. We're intelligence,

611
00:35:38,340 --> 00:35:40,470
surveillance reconnaissance
operations. Oh, of course, the

612
00:35:40,470 --> 00:35:43,920
Lord's Resistance Army. You'll
recall that the Kony 2012 The

613
00:35:43,920 --> 00:35:47,280
video of that went so Bogota,
viral, everybody was talking

614
00:35:47,280 --> 00:35:51,570
about it. We've got us sprays in
there we have 300 Guy catch that

615
00:35:51,570 --> 00:35:55,710
guy. 300 Because it's not about
colony. But okay. Yes, it's all

616
00:35:55,710 --> 00:36:00,930
about the NRA affected areas. So
we have to Osprey is we've got

617
00:36:00,930 --> 00:36:05,520
300 troops in there who of
course only working to partner

618
00:36:05,730 --> 00:36:11,910
with the the Ugandan forces.
Egypt 700 military personnel

619
00:36:11,940 --> 00:36:14,970
there. I think they're pretty
much just to receive the sales

620
00:36:14,970 --> 00:36:18,480
shipments. It's just a sales
office, I think in Egypt. Hey,

621
00:36:18,510 --> 00:36:24,420
we got the new stuff in you guys
ordered. Jordan 1700 US military

622
00:36:24,420 --> 00:36:26,520
personnel, they will remain in
Jordan and full create

623
00:36:26,880 --> 00:36:29,700
coordination with the Government
of Jordan until the security

624
00:36:29,700 --> 00:36:32,040
situation becomes such they're
no longer needed. Well, that

625
00:36:32,040 --> 00:36:38,010
would be pretty much never
Kosovo, we are still in Kosovo.

626
00:36:38,640 --> 00:36:44,160
Oh, since 19. Ma what? When did
that end? The Kosovo theater?

627
00:36:44,160 --> 00:36:44,850
Nine? I'm

628
00:36:44,850 --> 00:36:45,420
not sure

629
00:36:45,450 --> 00:36:51,930
we have for almost 5000 people
there. Wow. Oh, 4k for the

630
00:36:51,960 --> 00:36:53,250
Kosovo, we got

631
00:36:53,250 --> 00:36:55,380
to get into a sec gotta be
protected.

632
00:36:55,860 --> 00:37:00,090
And and let's see we have Yemen
is going to send more people to

633
00:37:00,090 --> 00:37:04,860
Yemen, we have Libya, of course,
we've got to have more security

634
00:37:05,160 --> 00:37:11,160
in Libya. Central? Well, as I
noted, embassy personnel, US

635
00:37:11,160 --> 00:37:14,430
forces port in their security
were relocated outside Libya to

636
00:37:14,430 --> 00:37:18,090
support the safe departure of
the embassy staff. So it's for

637
00:37:18,120 --> 00:37:22,650
extraction purposes. And also,
we need to have that'll be

638
00:37:23,190 --> 00:37:26,160
overland through Tunisia. So we
have US military aircraft and

639
00:37:26,160 --> 00:37:30,690
additional military personnel.
And those forces will eventually

640
00:37:30,690 --> 00:37:34,710
leave, but I don't see that
happening very soon. It feels

641
00:37:34,710 --> 00:37:38,460
like it's not everything.
There's no mention of Japan or I

642
00:37:38,460 --> 00:37:40,410
think we still have the base in
Germany.

643
00:37:40,800 --> 00:37:43,110
Oh, yeah. No, we got it. We have
a lot of people in jobs. So

644
00:37:43,680 --> 00:37:46,140
why did is I guess that doesn't
have to be in the report. This

645
00:37:46,140 --> 00:37:50,040
is only based upon the
authorized use of military

646
00:37:50,040 --> 00:37:52,140
force. This is not the
historical stuff that we had

647
00:37:52,140 --> 00:37:53,040
laying around.

648
00:37:53,430 --> 00:37:56,400
Right that this has to be I
guess this report only referred

649
00:37:56,400 --> 00:38:00,990
to sense that authorization for
military force went through this

650
00:38:00,990 --> 00:38:04,170
is the result. Yeah. As Germany
is not the result of this. It's

651
00:38:04,170 --> 00:38:05,100
been there, right.

652
00:38:07,470 --> 00:38:11,940
Yeah, some say the war would
never officially ended. That's

653
00:38:11,940 --> 00:38:13,530
the thing that's been going
around for a while that there

654
00:38:13,530 --> 00:38:16,740
was no war. At the Second World
War. There was no actual

655
00:38:16,950 --> 00:38:18,960
document that said, Okay, it's
all over.

656
00:38:19,020 --> 00:38:20,250
Yeah, they there was.

657
00:38:21,480 --> 00:38:26,070
I'm just telling them what's
going around. If you search

658
00:38:26,070 --> 00:38:28,620
around, you'll see that there's
some theory about this.

659
00:38:28,680 --> 00:38:32,190
If you search around, you'll see
that the aliens won the war

660
00:38:33,420 --> 00:38:34,980
on the only the reptilians

661
00:38:36,240 --> 00:38:41,100
obviously, the Queen she's
actually the ruler of the world.

662
00:38:41,100 --> 00:38:42,330
Yeah.

663
00:38:43,590 --> 00:38:49,110
Oh, man, was it today is an
interesting date. And we knew

664
00:38:49,140 --> 00:38:56,130
well, actually, yesterday was an
interesting date. 12 1314 This

665
00:38:56,130 --> 00:39:00,870
is not only does this happen
once in a century, that is, of

666
00:39:00,870 --> 00:39:06,660
course by the American date,
depiction system. If you are in

667
00:39:09,750 --> 00:39:12,450
if you're in other parts of the
world, it would be 13 1214

668
00:39:12,450 --> 00:39:15,000
doesn't quite work out. But
there's also

669
00:39:15,300 --> 00:39:19,200
the day there's no 1314 15
coming up because you don't have

670
00:39:19,200 --> 00:39:20,250
right and it's just no good.

671
00:39:20,250 --> 00:39:24,150
It also had all sorts compile of
only the numbers 123 And four,

672
00:39:25,020 --> 00:39:29,760
which apparently also has some
other, which it's a special

673
00:39:29,760 --> 00:39:34,920
date. And we decided to make to
make use of this and kind of

674
00:39:34,920 --> 00:39:36,090
worked. Well. We

675
00:39:36,090 --> 00:39:37,020
got four takers.

676
00:39:37,470 --> 00:39:39,540
Well then let me thank you for
your courage and say in the

677
00:39:39,540 --> 00:39:42,060
morning to you John C. Dvorak.

678
00:39:43,260 --> 00:39:45,780
Well, in the morning do Adam
curry in the morning all ships

679
00:39:45,780 --> 00:39:48,450
at sea boots on the ground feet
in the air subs in the water and

680
00:39:48,450 --> 00:39:50,460
all the days and nights out
there. I wonder if any subs in

681
00:39:50,460 --> 00:39:51,510
the water are listening anymore?

682
00:39:51,540 --> 00:39:53,400
Well, not when they're in the
water unless they've got the

683
00:39:53,400 --> 00:39:57,930
parents do Periscope, download
and download and submerge in the

684
00:39:57,930 --> 00:40:00,570
morning to all of our human
resources there and chat room

685
00:40:00,570 --> 00:40:03,900
listening on the stream no
agenda stream.com is where you

686
00:40:03,900 --> 00:40:08,640
want to be thank you to our
artists. We had the fake sell

687
00:40:08,640 --> 00:40:16,770
lizard fake Sal lizard who came
in with the artwork for 677

688
00:40:17,190 --> 00:40:20,100
and comic strip blogger gets
credit for the newsletter he was

689
00:40:20,100 --> 00:40:25,110
on that maybe took down earlier
that Oh course yeah and this I

690
00:40:25,110 --> 00:40:28,860
have decided to start thanking
them because I've been using

691
00:40:28,890 --> 00:40:32,580
that's a good idea to art that's
a good idea which one did he put

692
00:40:32,580 --> 00:40:34,680
in the news that you have of his
in the newsletters that go

693
00:40:34,680 --> 00:40:39,750
generic one Oh, cool. Abby had
this other one on 677 was oh

694
00:40:39,750 --> 00:40:45,330
yeah Hayden as with the water
bugs Bugs Bunny? Yeah, yeah, we

695
00:40:45,360 --> 00:40:51,480
were we tortured some which of
course I think I get to play the

696
00:40:51,510 --> 00:40:54,420
I get to play the clip then just
so we have that. That's how we

697
00:41:03,780 --> 00:41:06,780
and that's the story. What was
the deal with this special

698
00:41:06,780 --> 00:41:09,120
121314

699
00:41:10,320 --> 00:41:12,540
Before I explained that, I
wanted to say something about

700
00:41:12,540 --> 00:41:17,250
Hayden. Okay. I don't know I I
remember he was with Rodriguez

701
00:41:17,250 --> 00:41:19,740
about a year ago. He clipped us
he was at some meeting and the

702
00:41:19,740 --> 00:41:22,530
two of them were defending all
this with their with the old

703
00:41:22,530 --> 00:41:25,590
works you know, it's a great we
got good intelligence got Bin

704
00:41:25,590 --> 00:41:30,420
Laden, all the rest. And I saw
him and watched him talk and I

705
00:41:30,420 --> 00:41:32,970
saw him and a couple other
things about a year ago. Then I

706
00:41:32,970 --> 00:41:36,690
saw him like right yesterday
kind of thing. He was on some

707
00:41:36,690 --> 00:41:40,470
show. And he was there. He
doesn't look he looks unhealthy.

708
00:41:40,470 --> 00:41:42,240
He's his face has gotten really
fast.

709
00:41:42,240 --> 00:41:44,850
Got all these ticks and all
these things. He must be a

710
00:41:44,850 --> 00:41:48,180
wreck. He must really be
worried. Why do you think he

711
00:41:48,180 --> 00:41:51,600
they sent him out? Why is he the
the punching bag for all this?

712
00:41:51,600 --> 00:41:52,980
Why is he the defender?

713
00:41:53,910 --> 00:41:56,520
I think he was at the peak of
it. I think it when they did the

714
00:41:56,520 --> 00:42:00,600
feeding the Bahamas up the butt
stuff that was all his doing? I

715
00:42:00,600 --> 00:42:02,280
mean, 10 it seemed Let me stop
you right there.

716
00:42:02,310 --> 00:42:03,930
That was a medical procedure.
John

717
00:42:04,500 --> 00:42:07,860
10 It was 10 it was a baby. I
got a You're not a doctor a

718
00:42:08,190 --> 00:42:08,610
doctor, I

719
00:42:08,610 --> 00:42:10,050
got a medical procedure for you.

720
00:42:11,700 --> 00:42:17,220
I've got an injection. You're
gonna like it. J tip Tennant set

721
00:42:17,220 --> 00:42:20,460
it up. And he was just a liar.
And then I think I think it was

722
00:42:20,460 --> 00:42:23,730
the short term or that came in
after that. And then Hayden, I

723
00:42:23,730 --> 00:42:27,120
think he was the third of the
group. Right? And I think it was

724
00:42:27,120 --> 00:42:28,860
his responsibility to clean up
well, man

725
00:42:28,860 --> 00:42:32,280
of course the crazy thing is he
was also NSA. He was NSA and

726
00:42:32,280 --> 00:42:36,690
CIA. So it's possible he has
like a career spy that that you

727
00:42:36,690 --> 00:42:39,960
have the NSA saying You better
not say this. So you better say

728
00:42:39,960 --> 00:42:42,450
that in the CIA going? You
better not say that. And he's

729
00:42:43,170 --> 00:42:46,890
maybe that's he's just torn,
being ripped to shreds by two

730
00:42:46,890 --> 00:42:48,000
competing camps.

731
00:42:48,270 --> 00:42:52,260
If that's a possibility. I don't
know what it is. Whatever the

732
00:42:52,260 --> 00:42:55,260
case is. He doesn't look like
he's feels it looks like

733
00:42:55,260 --> 00:42:57,360
something's up with him.

734
00:42:58,320 --> 00:43:01,800
Maybe time for these worry. They
got a gun pointed at his head. I

735
00:43:01,800 --> 00:43:04,860
don't know. Maybe you had
tickets for a nice European

736
00:43:04,860 --> 00:43:08,130
holiday thing. Good idea. I
would. I wouldn't

737
00:43:09,300 --> 00:43:12,240
think twice about those European
holiday. Imagine

738
00:43:12,510 --> 00:43:15,720
not being being worried about
traveling outside the US for

739
00:43:15,720 --> 00:43:19,170
fear of being arrested and by
the International Criminal

740
00:43:19,170 --> 00:43:19,710
Court.

741
00:43:20,250 --> 00:43:23,880
Can you imagine being George
Bush and not giving a damn? Oh,

742
00:43:23,880 --> 00:43:27,750
yeah. Easy. As easy? I don't
know. That's good. I don't like

743
00:43:27,750 --> 00:43:30,210
traveling anywhere. What's wrong
with you? Just like my mother. I

744
00:43:30,210 --> 00:43:33,810
like that. Right. You're going
overseas. There's good things to

745
00:43:33,810 --> 00:43:34,680
see here.

746
00:43:36,690 --> 00:43:39,900
Go to the Alamo. I've been to
the Alabama I've been to the

747
00:43:39,900 --> 00:43:43,950
Alamo. Like yeah, corpus is
lovely this time of year.

748
00:43:45,180 --> 00:43:47,760
The Alamo is actually worth
checking out very well and they

749
00:43:47,760 --> 00:43:51,060
have a what's interesting about
the Alamo to me is it's so

750
00:43:51,060 --> 00:43:52,830
small. You got Phil

751
00:43:52,830 --> 00:43:58,890
Collins has an entire collection
of Alamo memorabilia on display

752
00:43:59,190 --> 00:44:00,870
at the Alamo. What Oh, and

753
00:44:00,870 --> 00:44:02,700
now at the end. Yeah, he

754
00:44:02,700 --> 00:44:05,160
donated all these. I don't know
if it's on loan or permanent

755
00:44:05,160 --> 00:44:08,550
loan. He has an entire Alamo
collection. Phil Collins, Phil

756
00:44:08,550 --> 00:44:13,680
Collins. Yeah. I know. Stroud.
Yeah. All right. And more

757
00:44:13,680 --> 00:44:16,890
useless trivia right here on
your no agenda show with traffic

758
00:44:16,890 --> 00:44:17,700
and weather on the eights

759
00:44:17,730 --> 00:44:21,420
talking about is that the the we
have four people that came up

760
00:44:21,420 --> 00:44:27,900
with the 121314 donation and so
they will be at they will be

761
00:44:27,930 --> 00:44:30,750
named. They'd be the first one
that came in as far as I can

762
00:44:30,750 --> 00:44:33,030
tell. And that's the one we're
going to put right away and then

763
00:44:33,030 --> 00:44:37,470
the other ones will follow was
Sir David Foley be Sir David

764
00:44:37,470 --> 00:44:41,640
Foley presents name of the name
of the show. And that so we have

765
00:44:41,640 --> 00:44:44,040
four people that will get that
that special credit

766
00:44:44,070 --> 00:44:48,300
but wouldn't it be his son just
looking at the at the donation?

767
00:44:48,300 --> 00:44:49,980
I think he made his son London.

768
00:44:51,180 --> 00:44:55,230
Night honorary gave a donation
in let me look at it. Yeah.

769
00:44:55,410 --> 00:44:57,150
Well, let's thank everybody
first, then we'll decide

770
00:44:57,240 --> 00:45:00,450
not just this go for the next X
amount of episodes. We do this

771
00:45:01,020 --> 00:45:02,850
for episodes. Oh, great. Love
it.

772
00:45:03,780 --> 00:45:08,160
Sir Don Tommaso de Toronto came
in from kettleby Ontario Canada

773
00:45:08,190 --> 00:45:12,780
141213 a kind of a back password
version what we're trying to do

774
00:45:12,780 --> 00:45:17,400
here here's a John's date
challenge but in proper antsy

775
00:45:17,400 --> 00:45:21,900
format Yeah, but you're gonna do

776
00:45:21,960 --> 00:45:25,830
and we're this he becomes he
becomes a Duke

777
00:45:26,130 --> 00:45:30,240
yeah he's a Duke and I'm way
past dukedom maybe I should get

778
00:45:30,240 --> 00:45:37,530
a ring he doesn't have a ring
karma FoId Sir Don no agenda

779
00:45:37,530 --> 00:45:39,720
nation slash rings

780
00:45:40,140 --> 00:45:44,010
I am I'm not sure what's going
on with that.

781
00:45:44,280 --> 00:45:46,470
Well he did probably didn't go
in and fill out the form

782
00:45:46,590 --> 00:45:51,630
and I think he did but I'm not
I'm not I don't know I really

783
00:45:51,630 --> 00:45:52,500
really don't know

784
00:45:52,560 --> 00:45:56,220
whatever the case but it's also
possible that the Canadian

785
00:45:56,220 --> 00:45:57,690
postal service keeps stealing
them

786
00:45:57,870 --> 00:45:59,970
this guy's how he what he needs
karma. That's what he wants.

787
00:46:01,410 --> 00:46:02,190
For the donors.

788
00:46:03,149 --> 00:46:04,859
Karma very nice.

789
00:46:05,190 --> 00:46:09,960
Meanwhile, Sir Thomas Nussbaum
Hey, who's up there and rankings

790
00:46:09,960 --> 00:46:15,090
121314 Virginia Beach Virginia
finally some donors in Virginia.

791
00:46:16,230 --> 00:46:19,800
Happy holidays to the whole no
agenda entourage hugs and kisses

792
00:46:19,800 --> 00:46:23,970
to Adam and Mickey John and Mimi
from barren Nussbaum, St. Nicole

793
00:46:23,970 --> 00:46:29,940
and Dame said sequential numbers
do not come along often if ever

794
00:46:29,940 --> 00:46:35,130
at all. Right let me get let me
read that right. sequential

795
00:46:35,130 --> 00:46:42,090
numbers do not come along often.
If ever at all. Those thinking

796
00:46:42,090 --> 00:46:46,680
is 13 1214 which would be the
European thing fuck off. You're

797
00:46:46,680 --> 00:46:50,160
wrong. But he said that was a
quote. Yeah,

798
00:46:50,640 --> 00:46:56,490
exactly. I want to Well hugs and
kisses Blitz to hand the camera

799
00:46:56,490 --> 00:47:00,570
back to him and St. Nicole. That
would be appropriate. You've got

800
00:47:00,750 --> 00:47:05,880
karma right now who was okay You
already told me next we have

801
00:47:06,930 --> 00:47:12,090
a reshoot my Meister one two and
three and four which is I'd like

802
00:47:12,120 --> 00:47:15,810
my name and location with hell
okay. He's he should be known as

803
00:47:15,810 --> 00:47:19,980
Sir reach Meister of divided by
zero. I've been a listener since

804
00:47:19,980 --> 00:47:22,230
June. I've made no agenda major
part of my life and to keep

805
00:47:22,230 --> 00:47:24,660
listening without making any
contribution. I feel very bad

806
00:47:24,660 --> 00:47:28,200
about it. I'll admit, when I
started listening, your show is

807
00:47:28,200 --> 00:47:30,780
completely lost. The two of you
kept talking about people I've

808
00:47:30,780 --> 00:47:33,210
never heard of clippity clop.

809
00:47:36,030 --> 00:47:38,850
Don't worry, you'll know about
her soon enough. It's it's all

810
00:47:38,850 --> 00:47:39,900
coming back again is

811
00:47:40,140 --> 00:47:45,660
Maria Harvey this Jen Psaki that
a guy named haiku? not Japanese.

812
00:47:45,660 --> 00:47:49,920
And what's it? What's a Nudelman
this of course being the result

813
00:47:49,920 --> 00:47:55,140
of the mainstream media keeping
me ignorant. Exactly. Bingo. I

814
00:47:55,140 --> 00:47:58,290
want to thank the two of you for
providing news analysis that's

815
00:47:58,290 --> 00:48:00,810
not found in the mainstream
media you both work very hard in

816
00:48:00,810 --> 00:48:03,690
providing us this information
which is why I feel bad if I

817
00:48:03,690 --> 00:48:06,900
continued listening without
making a contribution. I think

818
00:48:06,900 --> 00:48:09,390
that that's to say getting my
news from Adam curry is a bit

819
00:48:09,390 --> 00:48:10,110
surreal

820
00:48:15,300 --> 00:48:20,280
kid I used to watch Adam on MTV
and he was my favorite VJ is my

821
00:48:20,280 --> 00:48:23,250
favorite VJ media personalities
come and go but having Adam in

822
00:48:23,250 --> 00:48:26,010
my life by being a no agenda
listener is as if I'm bringing

823
00:48:26,010 --> 00:48:29,400
back a part of my childhood I
thought it was gone. I don't

824
00:48:29,400 --> 00:48:33,300
know how to explain it but it's
pretty cool. I could use some

825
00:48:33,300 --> 00:48:36,750
job arm I haven't had a stable
career since September 2008 I'd

826
00:48:36,750 --> 00:48:39,630
like to get some job security
starting in the New Year by the

827
00:48:39,630 --> 00:48:44,250
way I am Indian Oh, am I the
first Indian to be knighted?

828
00:48:44,280 --> 00:48:46,890
I don't think it counts if
you're living in California you

829
00:48:46,890 --> 00:48:51,270
have to be in or something in
India India.

830
00:48:51,690 --> 00:48:53,910
No you're you're less Indian
then

831
00:48:55,710 --> 00:48:57,000
you're not you just

832
00:48:57,600 --> 00:48:58,500
talking about

833
00:48:59,910 --> 00:49:00,360
no

834
00:49:01,590 --> 00:49:06,690
join about the 700 million in a
democracy overwhelmed by guests

835
00:49:06,690 --> 00:49:10,680
maybe a billion by now. Half of
which probably speak good

836
00:49:10,680 --> 00:49:13,080
English or good enough English
to listen to the show and

837
00:49:13,110 --> 00:49:15,780
probably a third of them do
listen to show they never donate

838
00:49:15,780 --> 00:49:17,700
they never contribute except one
guy ever.

839
00:49:17,880 --> 00:49:20,340
You don't think he means Native
American anything it really

840
00:49:20,340 --> 00:49:22,560
means Indian Indian Indian as
from India

841
00:49:23,040 --> 00:49:27,600
reach Meister I don't know if
what Indian he means Native

842
00:49:27,600 --> 00:49:29,670
American usually don't call
themselves India housing

843
00:49:29,670 --> 00:49:34,470
so we'll accept Pocahontas who a
pug honest there's another name

844
00:49:34,470 --> 00:49:38,520
people go who is Pocahontas?
What are they talking about? I

845
00:49:38,520 --> 00:49:41,160
will be knighting you sir
Reshma. I served divided by zero

846
00:49:41,160 --> 00:49:43,830
I later during the ceremony and
very much looking forward to

847
00:49:44,310 --> 00:49:45,060
this is what you want

848
00:49:45,750 --> 00:49:48,930
jobs and jobs. Let's vote for
jobs.

849
00:49:58,710 --> 00:50:05,040
In recognition of certain Good
luck Yeah.

850
00:50:06,629 --> 00:50:07,529
Our grand duke

851
00:50:08,820 --> 00:50:12,270
All right, ITM gentlemen
enclosed please find an instant

852
00:50:12,270 --> 00:50:16,590
night special donation I would
like to apply this is Grand Duke

853
00:50:16,620 --> 00:50:19,980
Sir David Foley. I would like to
apply this for my son Lund is

854
00:50:19,980 --> 00:50:22,800
knighthood to ensure that the
generation carry on propagating

855
00:50:22,800 --> 00:50:27,840
the formula please have some
root beer and pepperoni pizza at

856
00:50:27,840 --> 00:50:28,650
the round table

857
00:50:29,490 --> 00:50:33,960
All right All righty then if we
must got that

858
00:50:34,410 --> 00:50:37,080
well this is cool. But I think
he needs karma we think we

859
00:50:37,080 --> 00:50:38,310
should definitely do that
doesn't

860
00:50:38,310 --> 00:50:41,790
mean karma well he's a kid all
all kids today need karma?

861
00:50:41,850 --> 00:50:45,180
Yeah, but for reasons yeah
special reasons if you know what

862
00:50:45,180 --> 00:50:54,270
I mean I hear six that are much
nicer now we had that was our

863
00:50:54,270 --> 00:50:58,920
group and we have set that was
our group of super producers.

864
00:50:59,220 --> 00:51:06,540
And I from what I can tell I
don't know you had the I never

865
00:51:06,540 --> 00:51:11,040
thought of asking Foley maybe I
can send him a note and see what

866
00:51:11,040 --> 00:51:13,410
he what's the what's the
question? The question is is it

867
00:51:13,410 --> 00:51:15,390
Sir David Foley presents this
show

868
00:51:15,450 --> 00:51:19,050
Oh, no, no, it's certainly no I
don't think so. It's sir it's

869
00:51:19,050 --> 00:51:21,180
sir London Foley presents this
show

870
00:51:25,050 --> 00:51:27,840
Okay, don't do that if he wants
to we can change it will always

871
00:51:27,840 --> 00:51:28,260
changes.

872
00:51:29,010 --> 00:51:33,300
Well, no. It's a pain in the ass
but it's not impossible. Well, I

873
00:51:33,300 --> 00:51:36,150
know but for fully we get to the
pain what you want

874
00:51:36,150 --> 00:51:37,350
to testicle Here you go fully.

875
00:51:40,200 --> 00:51:42,480
Okay, let's see if Bigland
actually sent something in

876
00:51:43,770 --> 00:51:50,040
Biglan do I need to check? Yes.
Just in case. Okay. Let me see.

877
00:51:51,240 --> 00:51:54,690
Donation note for show 678 There
you go. I got it. Two.

878
00:51:55,290 --> 00:51:57,750
Gentlemen, thank you for your
courage. John, please

879
00:51:57,750 --> 00:52:00,420
editorialize my note for the
show as you see fit. Okay, then

880
00:52:00,420 --> 00:52:04,320
I can read it as well. It's not
that long. But Henry Biglan from

881
00:52:04,320 --> 00:52:09,240
Kew Gardens, New York $678.90.
Note for the show. Please accept

882
00:52:09,240 --> 00:52:13,590
my 678 So he's a 678 club member
donation the best guest in the

883
00:52:13,590 --> 00:52:16,500
universe for 678 90 as a
contribution my previous

884
00:52:16,500 --> 00:52:20,430
donation of 12345. This is my
share of the NYC police civil

885
00:52:20,430 --> 00:52:23,730
rights violation settlement tax.
That I think it'd be better

886
00:52:23,730 --> 00:52:27,390
spent. Yeah. Holding on I end up
with a value of her value model

887
00:52:27,390 --> 00:52:30,600
during the holiday season this
donation should bring me to vite

888
00:52:30,600 --> 00:52:31,950
count. Oh,

889
00:52:33,240 --> 00:52:35,910
all right. Let me just make sure
I have that reflected in the

890
00:52:35,970 --> 00:52:39,900
accounting link below. I would
claim Queens New York from my

891
00:52:39,900 --> 00:52:43,530
expanded lands with all its
rights and privileges. Thank you

892
00:52:43,530 --> 00:52:45,720
for your excellent
deconstructions of all the news

893
00:52:45,720 --> 00:52:48,120
with a sense of humor that keeps
me sane.

894
00:52:48,359 --> 00:52:52,619
He wanted Why do you want
queens, Queens, Queens and all

895
00:52:52,619 --> 00:52:53,159
it's what

896
00:52:54,390 --> 00:52:59,400
with I would claim Queens, New
York for my expanded lands with

897
00:52:59,400 --> 00:53:00,720
all its rights and privileges.

898
00:53:01,740 --> 00:53:05,460
I just like to say him that I so
give you Queens, New York with

899
00:53:05,490 --> 00:53:12,090
all its rights, lands and
privileges. Nice.

900
00:53:14,730 --> 00:53:18,540
All right. Django can have a JCD
dealer's choice followed by and

901
00:53:18,540 --> 00:53:21,330
her head is gone, which is what
I would have picked karma. So

902
00:53:21,330 --> 00:53:23,280
let me think what would be a
good one that we haven't done

903
00:53:23,280 --> 00:53:27,480
for a while. How about that? You
know what we haven't heard for a

904
00:53:27,480 --> 00:53:31,260
long time is the little is the
theme. The musical theme

905
00:53:31,260 --> 00:53:35,700
clippity clop clippity clop
clippity clop

906
00:53:35,730 --> 00:53:37,800
Yeah. Oh, did you hear that?

907
00:53:38,670 --> 00:53:43,380
No, what I did uh, yeah, no, oh,
I didn't hear I really am sorry

908
00:53:43,380 --> 00:53:43,890
because I should be.

909
00:53:44,940 --> 00:53:48,030
I clippety clop and then Ender
head has gone in that order with

910
00:53:48,030 --> 00:53:57,420
the karma to karma chaser
messages clear clip. And her

911
00:53:57,420 --> 00:54:03,060
head was gone. You've got karma.
It worked out that worked nicely

912
00:54:03,060 --> 00:54:03,480
together.

913
00:54:03,990 --> 00:54:10,890
I like that. All right onward.
As I click around, so it's a sir

914
00:54:10,890 --> 00:54:17,520
otaku in Louisville, Lewisville,
Texas so 678 90 Holy cow, a

915
00:54:17,520 --> 00:54:19,680
second member of the 678 Club

916
00:54:19,710 --> 00:54:23,760
and a special 6789 sequential
number Bonanza

917
00:54:24,030 --> 00:54:27,780
Yeah 67890 Who knew I never even
thought of this we should have

918
00:54:27,780 --> 00:54:30,330
put that into suggested it to be
able to guys picked it out of

919
00:54:30,330 --> 00:54:35,730
the smart two nights obviously
decided to look at this. Oh, my

920
00:54:35,730 --> 00:54:40,110
throat tacos drunk. Perfect as
I've drunk otherwise I wouldn't

921
00:54:40,110 --> 00:54:44,250
donate so much. But you guys
deserve every penny. You're

922
00:54:44,250 --> 00:54:46,770
always on the money about the
media and how it's screwing us

923
00:54:46,770 --> 00:54:49,530
over ended with his
misdirection. I think you

924
00:54:49,530 --> 00:54:53,430
deserve more. But I'm a mere
slave and can only give up so

925
00:54:53,430 --> 00:54:57,360
much you are have to give blood
to get you some more pennies. I

926
00:54:57,360 --> 00:55:00,960
would ask you to give me a
birthday shout out on December

927
00:55:00,960 --> 00:55:05,940
31, but you will forget so far
down the road so give me a

928
00:55:05,940 --> 00:55:08,280
birthday love now put them on
the list okay

929
00:55:09,330 --> 00:55:13,170
birthday love now and I will
hold on to it till I get another

930
00:55:13,170 --> 00:55:18,060
year older. Also don't forget
coming up at the end of January

931
00:55:18,090 --> 00:55:23,670
we will be in the first annual
no agenda show QSR Oh party.

932
00:55:23,790 --> 00:55:28,470
Yeah, well we'll not be able to
get both of you and Adam on the

933
00:55:28,470 --> 00:55:32,070
air so everyone can get their
points for the elusive creator

934
00:55:32,070 --> 00:55:35,370
credits. If not, there will be a
bunch of US producers that will

935
00:55:35,370 --> 00:55:39,660
be on the airwaves to help boost
the points. Please keep up the

936
00:55:39,660 --> 00:55:42,660
good work and the best podcast
in the universe and since a mac

937
00:55:42,660 --> 00:55:47,100
and cheese comment because I
need to buy more grain to brew a

938
00:55:47,100 --> 00:55:51,570
couple more beers here and make
to the Dallas area. The beer and

939
00:55:51,570 --> 00:55:57,180
barbecue is on me sir otaku k F
five SVR,

940
00:55:57,480 --> 00:56:01,440
the QSR party is going to be
fun. You know how it works,

941
00:56:01,440 --> 00:56:01,770
right?

942
00:56:04,860 --> 00:56:05,610
Yeah,

943
00:56:06,210 --> 00:56:09,690
so there will be points for the
will the bonus points will be if

944
00:56:09,690 --> 00:56:17,010
someone can do a QSR with Uri.
Oh, alright. So you you get

945
00:56:17,010 --> 00:56:21,630
points for making contact with
other people participating in

946
00:56:21,630 --> 00:56:27,180
the contest? And then you get
extra points for like, like if

947
00:56:27,180 --> 00:56:29,910
it's a sir if it's you know, if
it's a night or if it's a dame

948
00:56:30,240 --> 00:56:34,050
the extra points extra points
for different modes like Morse

949
00:56:34,050 --> 00:56:39,450
code, CW would be extra points
for Wow, that's how geeky is

950
00:56:39,450 --> 00:56:39,930
that?

951
00:56:40,080 --> 00:56:40,920
You're pretty geeky.

952
00:56:41,430 --> 00:56:42,930
It's worse than Dungeons and
Dragons.

953
00:56:43,950 --> 00:56:45,060
Your slaves can get

954
00:56:47,370 --> 00:56:51,150
cheated macaroni and cheese
shattered Ghana melted together

955
00:56:51,180 --> 00:56:53,790
mac and cheese mac and cheese
mac and cheese.

956
00:56:54,569 --> 00:56:59,549
You've got karma Man oh man.
makes I think it makes me sound

957
00:56:59,549 --> 00:57:03,719
pretty damn pathetic no man I'm
all into that

958
00:57:03,750 --> 00:57:05,640
No, no no no,

959
00:57:05,670 --> 00:57:13,950
I mean how many chicks are going
through qs Oh party now 010 No

960
00:57:13,950 --> 00:57:16,470
Hi especially not the one here

961
00:57:19,890 --> 00:57:23,610
I have wrongly this a women love
this knows it gets plenty of

962
00:57:23,610 --> 00:57:27,630
exercise for their eyeballs by
spinning around spinning around

963
00:57:28,410 --> 00:57:30,810
it actually improves your
visions very slightly so you're

964
00:57:30,810 --> 00:57:33,390
doing the female gender a favor
cue

965
00:57:33,390 --> 00:57:36,780
so parties give you facial
exercise

966
00:57:36,960 --> 00:57:42,480
Yes Oh nice. All right, I do not
have on cannot find a

967
00:57:42,480 --> 00:57:43,830
Christopher Dolan note

968
00:57:43,860 --> 00:57:48,000
Ah, let me check from Berlin. Oh
they Berlin Connecticut. Let me

969
00:57:48,000 --> 00:57:48,690
see if I've got a

970
00:57:49,200 --> 00:57:51,750
Christopher Dolan he came in
Christopher Nolan came it with

971
00:57:51,750 --> 00:57:57,960
34567 Berlin, Connecticut. And
he's a sir if I'm not mistaken.

972
00:57:58,770 --> 00:58:04,020
And he's doesn't like maybe he
doesn't like he doesn't care. I

973
00:58:04,020 --> 00:58:10,080
don't have I don't have
anything. Okay, Mark lay anyway.

974
00:58:10,080 --> 00:58:14,460
34567 from Christopher Sir
Christopher Mark lay along Eaton

975
00:58:14,460 --> 00:58:19,620
Derbyshire UK 345 another
computer commuter contribution

976
00:58:19,620 --> 00:58:23,160
from Derbyshire, UK cannot
believe some of the reports and

977
00:58:23,160 --> 00:58:26,820
legislation you cover that our
news media doesn't seem to feel

978
00:58:26,850 --> 00:58:31,740
should be covered. Can I have a
trains good jobs karma also a

979
00:58:31,740 --> 00:58:35,610
bit of info I heard earlier in
2004, relating to the price of

980
00:58:35,610 --> 00:58:39,780
gas increasing United States of
exports of LPG tankers begins

981
00:58:39,780 --> 00:58:42,570
due to the world market price of
gas being higher than the local

982
00:58:42,570 --> 00:58:45,720
market. Just another bit of
speculation in the energy market

983
00:58:45,720 --> 00:58:47,970
merry go round. Okay.

984
00:58:48,509 --> 00:58:51,449
I'm not quite sure what that
meant. He was

985
00:58:51,450 --> 00:58:54,240
thinking, Well, we do a review.
Remember this there was a big

986
00:58:55,530 --> 00:58:58,830
kind of a push that oh, we're
gonna start sending because

987
00:58:58,830 --> 00:59:02,340
liquid natural is expensive. The
Russians are gonna come off and

988
00:59:02,340 --> 00:59:06,510
we need to send our gas from
United States. Europe and that's

989
00:59:06,510 --> 00:59:10,050
gonna jack up our prices. And it
turns out just the opposite

990
00:59:10,050 --> 00:59:10,470
happened.

991
00:59:12,030 --> 00:59:15,870
The bull trains, planes, bad

992
00:59:16,530 --> 00:59:21,750
jobs, jobs, jobs and jobs. Let's
vote for jobs.

993
00:59:23,610 --> 00:59:28,470
Before we move on, I got a note
here. Most people outside the

994
00:59:28,470 --> 00:59:30,930
United States and probably most
people in the United States do

995
00:59:30,930 --> 00:59:35,850
not exactly know what the Alamo
is. And you do a two line

996
00:59:35,850 --> 00:59:38,910
description what they remember
the Alamo you're supposed to

997
00:59:38,910 --> 00:59:42,540
remember the Alamo. Gosh, darn
it. Can you help it and I was

998
00:59:42,540 --> 00:59:43,050
out here.

999
00:59:43,980 --> 00:59:47,820
It was a fort in Texas on the
border at the time with Mexico.

1000
00:59:47,820 --> 00:59:50,760
It was in Mexican territory I
believe. Then the Texans were

1001
00:59:50,760 --> 00:59:53,580
taken over the the Republic of
Texas was taken over the place

1002
00:59:53,580 --> 00:59:56,400
with a bunch of punks running
out the Mexicans and the Mexican

1003
00:59:56,430 --> 00:59:59,970
military was screwed up. And
there was a big fight over them.

1004
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:02,610
Alamo what was noteworthy about
that all these very famous

1005
01:00:02,610 --> 01:00:05,160
people that later became Disney
characters. That's the most

1006
01:00:05,160 --> 01:00:08,880
important thing. Like Daniel
Boone was in the Alamo and the

1007
01:00:08,880 --> 01:00:11,190
Mexicans surrounded the place
they had him out numbered and

1008
01:00:11,190 --> 01:00:13,980
they killed everybody. All of
them everybody in the Alamo was

1009
01:00:13,980 --> 01:00:14,640
killed

1010
01:00:14,820 --> 01:00:15,900
by Mexicans.

1011
01:00:16,920 --> 01:00:20,790
No the Americans wrong. Oh, okay
good. The Mexicans one, you made

1012
01:00:20,790 --> 01:00:24,900
it and then we came back we came
did it come back and rousted the

1013
01:00:24,900 --> 01:00:29,550
Mexicans eventually and been
made Texas what it is kinda, and

1014
01:00:30,300 --> 01:00:35,640
Sam Austin and these famous
people and, and Yosemite Sam and

1015
01:00:35,640 --> 01:00:39,660
other characters 70 Sam Austin,
and then you end up with the

1016
01:00:39,720 --> 01:00:42,900
with the phrase because of the
Alamo. Remember, the Alamo were

1017
01:00:42,900 --> 01:00:46,830
all these people were butchered
by these horrible Mexicans. And

1018
01:00:46,860 --> 01:00:50,190
now of course, the state is
mostly Mexicans anyway, so it

1019
01:00:50,190 --> 01:00:51,780
didn't work out. But whatever
the case that's

1020
01:00:51,780 --> 01:00:53,490
Thank you. That's all that's
good. And we just need and I

1021
01:00:53,490 --> 01:00:57,480
think because of the the Disney
movies I think that's really why

1022
01:00:57,480 --> 01:00:58,590
people still remember it's

1023
01:00:58,590 --> 01:01:01,290
the movies is the reason this
whole thing anyone makes Yeah,

1024
01:01:01,320 --> 01:01:01,590
yeah.

1025
01:01:01,620 --> 01:01:04,050
And in fact, that's why the
phrase exists. Remember the

1026
01:01:04,050 --> 01:01:07,950
Alamo Disney? Yeah, probably.
It's sublimit. Patrick,

1027
01:01:08,640 --> 01:01:13,410
from some place in Washington.
333 33. We haven't seen that for

1028
01:01:13,410 --> 01:01:16,620
a while. Hey, John and Adam.
This donation should put me over

1029
01:01:16,620 --> 01:01:19,350
into knighthood category. I'd
like this opportunity to propose

1030
01:01:19,350 --> 01:01:24,300
a new order of pseudo anonymous
knights. And he wants to call

1031
01:01:24,300 --> 01:01:30,720
the order of pug winner. This
probably is the guy who sends in

1032
01:01:30,720 --> 01:01:35,070
the mark Bognor donations could
be somebody does. But you know

1033
01:01:35,070 --> 01:01:37,890
that what they do is they send
in like a like a post office

1034
01:01:37,890 --> 01:01:41,910
mail order thing, usually for
6969. And then the quarter the

1035
01:01:41,910 --> 01:01:46,530
analyst says Mark Pardner Parts
Unknown. Right, right. It's

1036
01:01:47,550 --> 01:01:50,430
it's it's funny. Every bit
helps. Now how do we deal with

1037
01:01:50,430 --> 01:01:55,650
this? This pseudo pseudo
anonymous knights? The order of

1038
01:01:56,190 --> 01:01:58,950
pseudo anonymous knights? I
think well, you could call it

1039
01:01:58,950 --> 01:02:01,320
the story. I think that he
suggested the order of the

1040
01:02:01,320 --> 01:02:04,410
Bognor. So he's a Sir Patrick,
order the Bognor

1041
01:02:04,440 --> 01:02:07,170
order of the Pugna got it. I got
it's on the list too. We're good

1042
01:02:07,200 --> 01:02:11,100
sir. Norman McDonough. Oh, in
Woodstock, Ontario came up with

1043
01:02:11,100 --> 01:02:13,500
$300 This should be taken in my
second I want to thank all these

1044
01:02:13,500 --> 01:02:16,200
people, by the way for coming up
on the show, which because we

1045
01:02:16,350 --> 01:02:18,570
were very short last time, but
really this should take me to my

1046
01:02:18,570 --> 01:02:21,990
second knighthood. Is that a
Baronet? Yes. I've fell away

1047
01:02:21,990 --> 01:02:24,780
from contributing and even
listening. This is a problem

1048
01:02:24,780 --> 01:02:27,780
that we have. But I tried to
make up this year and I'm back

1049
01:02:27,810 --> 01:02:32,550
as an avid listener, I lost my
way. Thanks to the media. I do

1050
01:02:32,550 --> 01:02:34,920
love your show man. I have
anything from Reverend Al and a

1051
01:02:34,920 --> 01:02:37,770
stuttering Obama Porky Pig
that's how we roll

1052
01:02:38,400 --> 01:02:40,920
Okay, and he wants a an owl

1053
01:02:42,120 --> 01:02:44,790
an owl I'm stuttering and how we
roll

1054
01:02:45,150 --> 01:02:47,790
Okay, I'm sorry I was there was
something that just came in on

1055
01:02:47,790 --> 01:02:49,650
the email from one of our
knights so I'm trying to do

1056
01:02:49,650 --> 01:02:54,240
double duty no real contract
that's how we that's how we

1057
01:03:02,310 --> 01:03:05,910
and that's the story. You've got
karma

1058
01:03:07,920 --> 01:03:12,600
Oh, this is interesting. Please
credit donation is Sir Hank.

1059
01:03:18,060 --> 01:03:21,600
That nothing enough, forget it.
It's all good. I got it, sir.

1060
01:03:21,600 --> 01:03:24,990
Hank, I'm good to go. I'm just
looking. I'm doing the news wire

1061
01:03:24,990 --> 01:03:28,770
I'm doing the reception. You're
plugged in. Again. I'm the

1062
01:03:28,770 --> 01:03:32,340
producer of the show. I produced
technical director. I don't know

1063
01:03:32,340 --> 01:03:34,020
how you separate UNIST on the

1064
01:03:34,050 --> 01:03:37,380
river much from Ann Arbor,
Michigan. 300 hours I listen to

1065
01:03:37,380 --> 01:03:40,500
your show and traveling. I'm
about to go Blady for a week. So

1066
01:03:40,500 --> 01:03:43,020
here's somebody that cover my
coming travels thanks for the

1067
01:03:43,020 --> 01:03:47,280
show is going to Blighty to
Blighty as the UK. It Blighty is

1068
01:03:47,280 --> 01:03:48,120
in the UK but

1069
01:03:48,330 --> 01:03:51,450
that is the UK it's slang for
the UK Blighty.

1070
01:03:51,900 --> 01:03:54,810
I'm going to Blady and that
means he's going to the UK so

1071
01:03:54,810 --> 01:03:55,350
does.

1072
01:03:56,070 --> 01:03:58,620
You didn't know Michigan from
Ann Arbor Where were you? How

1073
01:03:58,620 --> 01:03:59,760
would he know this phrase?

1074
01:03:59,790 --> 01:04:03,510
Maybe he's from Blighty mage
mage would seem a bit odd.

1075
01:04:03,540 --> 01:04:09,600
Yes. Yeah. Mr. Mage Mr. Mage,
whatever

1076
01:04:09,600 --> 01:04:11,430
mage in attendance

1077
01:04:12,930 --> 01:04:19,890
stands Solsbury. To 272 75
Gainesville Florida. Special

1078
01:04:19,890 --> 01:04:22,710
numbers day for me in the best
podcast in universe on this day

1079
01:04:22,980 --> 01:04:27,660
on this last sequential date of
this century 12 1314 Which is

1080
01:04:27,660 --> 01:04:32,310
true. I hereby declare my having
freely reached no agenda

1081
01:04:32,310 --> 01:04:37,590
knighthood on show 678 It's
taken me five years but I

1082
01:04:37,590 --> 01:04:38,640
finally made it.

1083
01:04:38,700 --> 01:04:39,630
I love the store. I

1084
01:04:39,630 --> 01:04:42,270
appreciate all the dedication of
hardware from John and Adam

1085
01:04:42,270 --> 01:04:44,820
gives him the no agenda show and
making it a quality product. I'm

1086
01:04:44,820 --> 01:04:49,650
proud to be one of the no agenda
producers of show 678 For my

1087
01:04:49,650 --> 01:04:54,450
knighting you can name me sir
Stan of Kingswood. To all the no

1088
01:04:54,450 --> 01:04:57,210
agenda listeners, please have a
Merry Christmas and keep on

1089
01:04:57,210 --> 01:05:01,080
shopping. Oh, I'm sorry.
Supporting the show I've been

1090
01:05:01,080 --> 01:05:04,260
supporting this show since early
stand Solsbury, Gainesville,

1091
01:05:04,260 --> 01:05:09,120
Florida. Richard Moffat and I
could not find a note from I

1092
01:05:09,120 --> 01:05:12,810
don't think we went to MIT to
fight Oh no, no just came in the

1093
01:05:12,810 --> 01:05:18,030
mail. Raise your right did I
think Richard Moffat never says

1094
01:05:18,030 --> 01:05:22,560
notes? It says checks. Okay.
Richard Moffett 253 16

1095
01:05:22,560 --> 01:05:27,960
Milwaukee, Wisconsin. Sir Alan
Bose in Langley. British

1096
01:05:27,960 --> 01:05:31,740
Columbia. Langley British
Columbia $250 morning gentlemen

1097
01:05:31,740 --> 01:05:34,770
here's one more as you haven't
gotten any donations from

1098
01:05:34,770 --> 01:05:37,890
Langley Virginia. I don't think
we have now there's one more

1099
01:05:37,890 --> 01:05:40,710
installment towards my upgrade
to Baron am now only a few

1100
01:05:40,710 --> 01:05:44,010
dollars away. Who do you have
down there as Baron? Only a few

1101
01:05:44,010 --> 01:05:48,000
dollars away? I would be it
would sound good to be the Baron

1102
01:05:48,000 --> 01:05:52,170
of British Columbia. Okay. Bear
into British Columbia don't

1103
01:05:52,170 --> 01:05:55,440
think we have okay this is let
me just write down Richard

1104
01:05:55,440 --> 01:06:00,420
Moffat No, I'm sorry. Those are
Alan Bose and that's interesting

1105
01:06:00,420 --> 01:06:03,930
why he's not on the list. Now
who knows? That's okay. Let me

1106
01:06:03,930 --> 01:06:06,960
just write it down. What does he
become? The Baron

1107
01:06:06,960 --> 01:06:10,380
of British Columbia Of course. I
believe that covering an area of

1108
01:06:10,380 --> 01:06:18,090
365,000 square miles is going to
where I my old Lincoln gas just

1109
01:06:18,120 --> 01:06:22,380
I deplore some of some more BC
years to get help out and share

1110
01:06:22,380 --> 01:06:26,070
the responsibility the whole
province is up for grabs. I just

1111
01:06:26,070 --> 01:06:29,400
want part of the Lower Mainland
I don't need the province.

1112
01:06:29,460 --> 01:06:32,670
Oh the challenge the glove has
been thrown down. Yeah,

1113
01:06:32,700 --> 01:06:35,160
have a great Christmas and keep
up the excellent deconstruction

1114
01:06:35,190 --> 01:06:39,510
and entertainment Thank you sir.
I'm going to Chris spears in

1115
01:06:39,930 --> 01:06:44,220
Austin Texas robbed the road
from you 234561 of my favorites

1116
01:06:44,640 --> 01:06:47,640
I John and Adam as always I hope
this small bit of value for

1117
01:06:47,640 --> 01:06:49,860
value finds you well I was
compelled to donate with my

1118
01:06:49,860 --> 01:06:54,330
birthday falling on 12 1314 As
the night I assume it might

1119
01:06:54,330 --> 01:06:58,440
divine right to call other
listeners out You bet. I would

1120
01:06:58,440 --> 01:07:04,920
like to single out Benjamin F
fields. Donating at a level

1121
01:07:04,920 --> 01:07:09,870
appropriate for a man of means
like to thank Patrick F Hamilton

1122
01:07:09,870 --> 01:07:15,270
for becoming a producer Nice.
All right. Ah, Dame Astrid

1123
01:07:15,480 --> 01:07:19,560
23456. And she did send a an
email which I don't have a

1124
01:07:19,560 --> 01:07:19,950
master

1125
01:07:19,950 --> 01:07:22,290
of well, she's by Count Vikas

1126
01:07:23,220 --> 01:07:26,670
Mastracchio, but still I think
he's still called dame.

1127
01:07:26,819 --> 01:07:30,989
I have the note if you are yes,
a the note. Shall we play the

1128
01:07:30,989 --> 01:07:35,009
note? You even replied to the
note with a smiley face. play

1129
01:07:35,009 --> 01:07:37,919
the note Dear John Deere item
being an addicted no agenda

1130
01:07:37,919 --> 01:07:40,289
listener and having done my
homework by reading Sinclair

1131
01:07:40,289 --> 01:07:43,979
Lewis's book eight can't happen
here. I am more than saddened to

1132
01:07:43,979 --> 01:07:47,909
report that despite unusually
wide protests, albeit not as

1133
01:07:47,969 --> 01:07:52,259
vociferous as the Umbrella
Revolution, the new state secret

1134
01:07:52,259 --> 01:07:56,129
law has been enforced in Japan
last week. We are now one step

1135
01:07:56,129 --> 01:08:00,449
closer to a true Shut up slaved
him, what are we to do? I can't

1136
01:08:00,449 --> 01:08:03,329
hit people in the mouth around
me, my daughter and her peers

1137
01:08:03,329 --> 01:08:05,999
and I can't hit the people
around me my daughter and her

1138
01:08:05,999 --> 01:08:09,509
peers in the mouth fast enough
to bring them to their senses.

1139
01:08:09,899 --> 01:08:16,319
This is when John the C stands
for chick magnet Dvorak gives me

1140
01:08:16,319 --> 01:08:19,739
some relief and makes me laugh
like I hadn't in a long time.

1141
01:08:20,069 --> 01:08:22,379
Thank you for your commitment
and all your dedicated hard work

1142
01:08:22,379 --> 01:08:25,529
listening to you. I would not
miss it for the world Dame

1143
01:08:25,529 --> 01:08:29,579
Astrid vi Countess of Tokyo
getting friendly with the sheep

1144
01:08:29,579 --> 01:08:33,659
so I can easy easier follow the
herd and she did a nice picture

1145
01:08:33,659 --> 01:08:37,079
of her and she had picture her
with a sheep what I wonder what

1146
01:08:37,079 --> 01:08:38,999
it was that made her laugh so
much.

1147
01:08:39,840 --> 01:08:43,860
Who knows? James Kay but she's a
great person.

1148
01:08:44,580 --> 01:08:46,500
Yes she's fantastic. Yes,

1149
01:08:46,529 --> 01:08:52,049
yes yes. James in a fantastic
architect. Hell yeah. James

1150
01:08:52,049 --> 01:08:55,289
Kate's in Virginia Beach
Virginia, Northern Virginia and

1151
01:08:55,349 --> 01:08:55,649
I just

1152
01:08:55,650 --> 01:08:59,580
gonna do de mas a little bit of
karma little bay secret karma

1153
01:08:59,580 --> 01:09:05,340
your karma knees that sounds
like it's really think about it

1154
01:09:05,340 --> 01:09:07,590
when you're really down and
depressed and the only thing to

1155
01:09:07,590 --> 01:09:08,610
save you is you

1156
01:09:10,260 --> 01:09:15,120
James Kate's in Virginia Beach,
Virginia 233 33 drunk. Another

1157
01:09:15,120 --> 01:09:18,540
drunk donation apparently. And
he wants you to read obviously

1158
01:09:18,540 --> 01:09:25,170
because his drunk, you know?
Yeah, you know, you provide the

1159
01:09:25,170 --> 01:09:28,560
only reasonable dissection of
reality going on and I punch a

1160
01:09:28,560 --> 01:09:33,390
lot of peeps in the mouth. But I
get a lot of guff. But I won't

1161
01:09:33,450 --> 01:09:39,960
stop keeping on though. I want
to hang on this a good can I get

1162
01:09:39,960 --> 01:09:44,190
a little kid hot milk from my
milk Lisa Lynn and a Karma

1163
01:09:44,190 --> 01:09:44,640
please.

1164
01:09:45,330 --> 01:09:51,090
You must have sent me 100
emails. I kept certain points

1165
01:09:51,120 --> 01:09:55,920
just like I do a smiley face
back. Or lol. I thought you

1166
01:09:55,920 --> 01:10:00,960
could do better than lol anyway
People that when people are

1167
01:10:00,990 --> 01:10:04,710
drunk emailing you, it's pretty
cool. That's one Hotmail baby.

1168
01:10:04,800 --> 01:10:10,050
You betcha. Haha look at her use
calm Lisa. Thank you very much.

1169
01:10:11,190 --> 01:10:11,700
Names

1170
01:10:11,760 --> 01:10:17,400
anonymous from Herpen Herpen but
he printed out Herpen hairpin

1171
01:10:17,550 --> 01:10:22,500
or hairpin hairpin, open hairpin
now, you kind of swallowed the

1172
01:10:22,500 --> 01:10:23,310
our hairpin

1173
01:10:24,510 --> 01:10:30,030
pin 200 Now that one's hi guys
have been investing money using

1174
01:10:30,030 --> 01:10:34,140
your great analysis. Here's your
cut for this month. Wow. Smart

1175
01:10:34,140 --> 01:10:37,710
portfolio with the gross so I
can give you more support when

1176
01:10:37,710 --> 01:10:41,580
we when have we given stock
tips? Oh, no, no, remember doing

1177
01:10:41,580 --> 01:10:41,670
it?

1178
01:10:41,670 --> 01:10:46,740
We're not supposed to know. It's
against the law. Yeah. Richard

1179
01:10:46,740 --> 01:10:51,480
Riley Loomis, California. Final
Associate Executive Producer

1180
01:10:51,480 --> 01:10:58,200
$200. You guys are great. That
you're saying that he should get

1181
01:10:58,200 --> 01:11:03,630
a Karma get one. Yeah, I happy
to give them a call. You've got

1182
01:11:03,780 --> 01:11:11,670
karma. I want to thank all these
folks. And knights and servers

1183
01:11:11,670 --> 01:11:15,360
and all and vite counts and
barons and dukes for helping us

1184
01:11:15,360 --> 01:11:21,060
out here on show 678 And one to
remember that we do another show

1185
01:11:21,060 --> 01:11:24,330
on Thursdays or Thursdays that
somehow now gotten some light. I

1186
01:11:24,330 --> 01:11:27,600
don't know why. So we have a
show on Thursday, go to Dvorak.

1187
01:11:27,600 --> 01:11:32,280
That org slash n A or A does
sound of art.com is down it's

1188
01:11:32,280 --> 01:11:36,060
gonna be down until Eric fixes
it. And because of issues with

1189
01:11:36,060 --> 01:11:38,790
all the artists it was an RSS
driven site Yeah,

1190
01:11:38,790 --> 01:11:43,500
headless Drupal, headless
Drupal. That'll now he'll screw

1191
01:11:43,500 --> 01:11:45,090
you every single time the
hanging good.

1192
01:11:45,750 --> 01:11:48,270
If you can't get the
divorce.org/na which should be

1193
01:11:48,270 --> 01:11:51,330
able to you can go to the no
agenda show and no agenda

1194
01:11:51,330 --> 01:11:54,390
nation.com and click on the
Donate buttons there.

1195
01:11:55,139 --> 01:11:58,619
This is great so far. We will be
putting them in chronological

1196
01:11:58,619 --> 01:12:01,589
order who will be presenting the
episodes it will be for the next

1197
01:12:01,589 --> 01:12:06,299
four episodes will be presented
by one of our special Insta

1198
01:12:06,299 --> 01:12:09,299
super producer nights today are
super super producers I should

1199
01:12:09,299 --> 01:12:12,209
say. That's really appreciate
that really brought up the

1200
01:12:12,209 --> 01:12:14,789
average for the past couple of
weeks. Thank you very much.

1201
01:12:15,569 --> 01:12:21,359
Yeah, real credits. Is there
something called a what do we

1202
01:12:21,359 --> 01:12:23,969
have above executive producer in
Hollywood? Do we have isn't it

1203
01:12:23,969 --> 01:12:25,529
created by or something?

1204
01:12:26,010 --> 01:12:27,450
No, I don't think that's above I

1205
01:12:27,450 --> 01:12:29,850
think when you just present
presents like yeah, so

1206
01:12:29,850 --> 01:12:33,330
it presents was the guy who was
J still an executive producer

1207
01:12:33,330 --> 01:12:35,760
but he just he gets his name up
at the top it's like you know

1208
01:12:35,760 --> 01:12:38,130
they had a great one pointed to
Hollywood had gone nuts and

1209
01:12:38,130 --> 01:12:38,790
these crochet

1210
01:12:38,790 --> 01:12:42,630
Connolly presents. Yeah, so iron
side cannon ball, whatever it

1211
01:12:42,630 --> 01:12:43,380
was. Yeah.

1212
01:12:43,710 --> 01:12:46,800
And then you had the my favorite
one, which was I haven't seen

1213
01:12:46,800 --> 01:12:49,110
for a while. But it used to be
where you'd have all the names.

1214
01:12:49,110 --> 01:12:52,200
And then one of the names of
whatever he was doing was in a

1215
01:12:52,200 --> 01:12:56,160
box. Who Yeah, ever seen the
box? Of course. Yeah. And then

1216
01:12:56,160 --> 01:12:57,270
the box has disappeared.

1217
01:12:57,810 --> 01:13:04,500
Box and pleasure. Yeah. Aaron
Spelling presents. Yeah, exactly

1218
01:13:04,500 --> 01:13:06,600
what it is. Well, thank you very
much. And do remember us for the

1219
01:13:06,600 --> 01:13:12,210
Thursday show.org/n A and all
kinds of contributions are

1220
01:13:12,270 --> 01:13:14,820
appreciated including going out
there and propagating our

1221
01:13:14,820 --> 01:13:16,230
formula our formula

1222
01:13:16,230 --> 01:13:20,190
is this we go out we add people
in the mouth

1223
01:13:32,010 --> 01:13:39,030
freedom, subjugation,
contradiction is drift. This

1224
01:13:39,030 --> 01:13:39,570
world

1225
01:13:46,980 --> 01:13:51,600
I realized I think we, we have
realized this before. But now

1226
01:13:51,600 --> 01:13:54,750
it's really getting on my
nerves. If we live in this, this

1227
01:13:54,780 --> 01:13:59,130
internet age, this computing
age, I mean, your commercials

1228
01:13:59,130 --> 01:14:02,760
are filled with Cisco will be
bringing you the internet of

1229
01:14:02,760 --> 01:14:06,210
everything your tennis shoes
will when they're worn out,

1230
01:14:06,210 --> 01:14:09,000
they'll report back to home base
and Cisco is gonna help you get

1231
01:14:09,000 --> 01:14:11,670
new tennis shoes that are
designed for the way you use

1232
01:14:11,670 --> 01:14:18,810
them. And all of this stuff. We
need to have actual reporting on

1233
01:14:18,810 --> 01:14:22,260
the issues at hand. And as you
know, one of one of my biggest

1234
01:14:22,260 --> 01:14:24,900
pet peeve in all reporting,
particularly when it comes to

1235
01:14:24,900 --> 01:14:27,990
technology, and I'll say
technology reporting not tech,

1236
01:14:28,470 --> 01:14:33,660
because tech equals pains Tech
Tech equals phones. A lifestyle

1237
01:14:33,690 --> 01:14:38,160
tech reporting today is really
lifestyle reporting. The Of

1238
01:14:38,160 --> 01:14:43,500
course my biggest pet peeve is
the use of the word glitch. It

1239
01:14:43,500 --> 01:14:48,000
is not a technical term, it does
not. It is not appropriate in

1240
01:14:48,000 --> 01:14:52,080
today's world for news
organizations, such as

1241
01:14:52,110 --> 01:14:58,140
Associated Press, such as the
guardian, anyone to use the word

1242
01:14:58,140 --> 01:15:01,800
glitch as an explanation for
What went wrong? It's just not

1243
01:15:01,830 --> 01:15:02,280
it's not

1244
01:15:02,340 --> 01:15:05,100
like, there wasn't us it too
extreme.

1245
01:15:05,130 --> 01:15:11,910
There was a glitch in London,
the UK, I should say, on Friday,

1246
01:15:11,940 --> 01:15:14,490
but of course Friday is very
busy time. Yeah,

1247
01:15:14,490 --> 01:15:16,320
yeah, this I wonder I would
Yeah, I was hoping you were

1248
01:15:16,320 --> 01:15:19,770
going to give us a discussion of
this. Yeah. The glitch and the

1249
01:15:19,770 --> 01:15:24,240
glitch. What happened is it
really fouled up the Friday

1250
01:15:24,240 --> 01:15:29,790
travel. But the way you may have
heard this, this report or read

1251
01:15:29,790 --> 01:15:34,200
about a John, I think the way it
came across is, oh, air traffic

1252
01:15:34,200 --> 01:15:37,350
control went down, you know,
planes were gonna crash into

1253
01:15:37,350 --> 01:15:42,120
each other, it was just
horrible. And that is can

1254
01:15:42,120 --> 01:15:45,210
nothing could be further from
the truth. And it's even more

1255
01:15:45,240 --> 01:15:50,520
cool when this isn't when these
glitches are about aviation,

1256
01:15:50,520 --> 01:15:53,610
because of course, I know, some
of that is I'm a licensed

1257
01:15:53,640 --> 01:16:02,280
aviator. This is regarding the N
A T S, this is the and I use the

1258
01:16:02,280 --> 01:16:06,360
na t s in general it is for file
of filing flight plans and

1259
01:16:06,360 --> 01:16:13,080
manages flight plans. For UK
aviation it does connect into of

1260
01:16:13,080 --> 01:16:17,310
course, your control, but it's
not the it's not the guys, the

1261
01:16:17,310 --> 01:16:21,390
controllers talking to planes.
It's not the radar system. In

1262
01:16:21,390 --> 01:16:23,610
fact, if you've ever been in
Have you ever been in a tower,

1263
01:16:23,640 --> 01:16:26,970
John, have you ever? Yes, I
have. And you know, the you've

1264
01:16:26,970 --> 01:16:29,520
probably heard of the term
slots.

1265
01:16:31,200 --> 01:16:34,680
Yeah, I know that term slots.
Okay. But yourself, you're

1266
01:16:34,680 --> 01:16:36,690
playing your booger in a slot,
you're gonna land at a certain

1267
01:16:36,690 --> 01:16:37,830
point, or take off

1268
01:16:37,830 --> 01:16:41,580
it take off or land. When if
you've ever been in, in a tower,

1269
01:16:41,580 --> 01:16:44,040
and I believe pretty much every
tower still has this. They

1270
01:16:44,040 --> 01:16:48,990
should, it may even be
regulation, they have a board

1271
01:16:49,350 --> 01:16:55,050
with a whole bunch of
rectangular wooden sticks. And,

1272
01:16:55,440 --> 01:16:58,920
and within there's a gaffer
odbl, a little masking tape on

1273
01:16:58,920 --> 01:17:00,960
them, and they'll write down
flight numbers, and they can

1274
01:17:00,960 --> 01:17:06,300
slide these the sticks up and
down into a sequence. So you

1275
01:17:06,300 --> 01:17:08,970
know who's next for landing
who's who's who was supposed to

1276
01:17:08,970 --> 01:17:09,840
be coming next.

1277
01:17:10,020 --> 01:17:13,860
And so World War Two tower
you're at is it's I think

1278
01:17:14,100 --> 01:17:17,880
all towers still basically have
this. In fact, they didn't see

1279
01:17:17,880 --> 01:17:22,320
him, they resorted back to this,
I'm pretty sure when this glitch

1280
01:17:22,320 --> 01:17:27,870
took place. And what happened is
the they couldn't rebuild the

1281
01:17:27,900 --> 01:17:31,410
system went down. And this is
big mainframe. This is IBM s

1282
01:17:31,410 --> 01:17:35,940
390. And you know, the this kind
of hardware, I would say you

1283
01:17:35,940 --> 01:17:39,690
would know more about that than
I do. That hardware is less, it

1284
01:17:39,690 --> 01:17:42,870
really blows up. It just grinds
forever. It says mainframe

1285
01:17:42,870 --> 01:17:48,180
stuff. And of course, lots of
lots of things, the whole

1286
01:17:48,180 --> 01:17:51,720
aviation industry probably runs
still mostly on that. Which is

1287
01:17:51,720 --> 01:17:54,750
why when you get a ticket, if
you're you put your name and you

1288
01:17:54,750 --> 01:17:58,230
do a reservation, your ticket
comes back with all caps. You

1289
01:17:58,230 --> 01:18:01,920
notice this is because you're
going into a mainframe. The

1290
01:18:01,920 --> 01:18:05,100
mainframe doesn't no upper or
lower case for a lot of these

1291
01:18:05,100 --> 01:18:09,270
procedures. So something went
wrong with it had to be the

1292
01:18:09,270 --> 01:18:13,350
software since these hardware,
things don't go down. And what

1293
01:18:13,350 --> 01:18:16,920
really happened is the flight
plans became unavailable, to

1294
01:18:16,920 --> 01:18:20,910
the, to the system to the crew
system. So to to the air, air

1295
01:18:20,910 --> 01:18:23,100
traffic controllers, at a
certain point, they have to

1296
01:18:23,100 --> 01:18:26,340
resort back to the old way of
doing things, they can still see

1297
01:18:26,340 --> 01:18:29,310
everybody, no one's going to go
crashing down. But that does

1298
01:18:29,310 --> 01:18:32,010
mean they have to slow stuff
down and delay things after

1299
01:18:32,010 --> 01:18:37,560
think it's an eight or 10 minute
delay. And really, there's

1300
01:18:37,560 --> 01:18:41,610
something that went wrong. And
I'm going to assert that the

1301
01:18:41,610 --> 01:18:45,690
technology being put in place.
And there's a lot we're looking

1302
01:18:45,690 --> 01:18:49,050
at here in the United States,
certainly the next gen where it

1303
01:18:49,050 --> 01:18:52,830
really wouldn't be flying
without pilots or whatever, that

1304
01:18:52,860 --> 01:18:56,160
we are being duped into spending
more money on systems that

1305
01:18:56,160 --> 01:19:00,870
probably aren't going to work
very well. And they I found, I

1306
01:19:00,870 --> 01:19:04,740
found two things, I found what I
believe to be the real problem.

1307
01:19:05,010 --> 01:19:07,110
And remember, you're talking
about a mainframe, which takes

1308
01:19:07,110 --> 01:19:12,630
very, very specific instructions
and it can be sent into a spin

1309
01:19:12,630 --> 01:19:16,530
you can screw it up, you can
confuse the system. If the data

1310
01:19:16,530 --> 01:19:21,120
you enter somehow. Not any of
this not the code is not written

1311
01:19:21,120 --> 01:19:27,630
to reject incorrect entry. And
what I got from a pretty obscure

1312
01:19:27,630 --> 01:19:30,750
message board with who I believe
is an insider at the NAT system.

1313
01:19:31,080 --> 01:19:35,460
There was a not one but two
flight plans were entered and

1314
01:19:35,460 --> 01:19:38,700
probably through the Internet
Gateway, which is now kind of

1315
01:19:38,730 --> 01:19:41,970
jerry rigged onto this thing
were entered incorrectly at the

1316
01:19:41,970 --> 01:19:44,970
same time. And the system just
shut down but it had already

1317
01:19:45,000 --> 01:19:47,970
spun off its data dump to the
backup system. So we'd had the

1318
01:19:47,970 --> 01:19:51,870
exact same problem and they had
to go resort to the manual slot

1319
01:19:51,870 --> 01:19:56,160
system and the papers. Were I
think that there's still

1320
01:19:56,160 --> 01:19:58,860
probably printouts of a lot of
these flight plans of here's the

1321
01:19:58,860 --> 01:20:03,990
CEO The company that runs this
Richard Deacon. And this is a

1322
01:20:03,990 --> 01:20:08,790
public private partnership. So
this is why I don't like it. You

1323
01:20:08,790 --> 01:20:12,120
know, so there's profit making,
but it's, you know, it's an it's

1324
01:20:12,120 --> 01:20:16,860
a non compete kind of contract
is a very typical system for

1325
01:20:16,860 --> 01:20:19,140
government with private
enterprise. And I don't think

1326
01:20:19,140 --> 01:20:21,960
it's very good. But he really
took it to a level that was just

1327
01:20:21,960 --> 01:20:25,800
so funny when you and of course,
he has no idea what's going on.

1328
01:20:25,950 --> 01:20:29,280
And he's not going to explain to
us to take it beyond the glitch.

1329
01:20:29,280 --> 01:20:33,150
And I think this is a model for
CEOs in the future, as things do

1330
01:20:33,150 --> 01:20:35,640
come crashing down. This is how
you're going to explain it away.

1331
01:20:35,730 --> 01:20:39,750
So the problem was, as your
report described, when we had

1332
01:20:40,440 --> 01:20:44,550
additional terminals brought
into use, and we had a software

1333
01:20:44,550 --> 01:20:47,310
problem that we hadn't seen
before, which resulted in the

1334
01:20:47,310 --> 01:20:50,850
computer that looks after the
flight plans, effectively going

1335
01:20:50,850 --> 01:20:54,390
offline. Okay, but on this
particular problem, have you

1336
01:20:54,390 --> 01:20:58,170
actually identified what the
software issue was? Is it fixed?

1337
01:20:58,590 --> 01:21:03,510
Yes, we have about 50 different
systems at Sonic, our main

1338
01:21:03,510 --> 01:21:07,380
operation center, and over 4
million lines of code. So we

1339
01:21:07,380 --> 01:21:08,610
found the this

1340
01:21:08,610 --> 01:21:12,900
is supposed to impress you,
there were 4 million lines of

1341
01:21:12,900 --> 01:21:16,770
code, please, there's a lot
going on, right some lines of

1342
01:21:16,770 --> 01:21:17,310
code

1343
01:21:17,400 --> 01:21:20,820
line of code that caused the
problem that's effectively been

1344
01:21:20,820 --> 01:21:24,750
rectified. And I can assure your
viewers that this particular

1345
01:21:24,870 --> 01:21:28,230
problem is not going to reoccur.
So how long has that line of

1346
01:21:28,230 --> 01:21:31,380
code been sitting there, I'm in
like a sort of ticking time.

1347
01:21:33,870 --> 01:21:36,390
The line of code was just
sitting there just like a

1348
01:21:36,390 --> 01:21:39,000
ticking time bomb waiting to be
activated.

1349
01:21:39,269 --> 01:21:42,509
Well, as some of the systems
that you say, are fairly

1350
01:21:42,509 --> 01:21:47,279
elderly, they didn't really go
back to the 1960s. The system

1351
01:21:47,279 --> 01:21:50,369
that we had a problem with last
night has code that was written

1352
01:21:50,369 --> 01:21:54,179
in the early 90s. Having said
that, we are investing a huge

1353
01:21:54,179 --> 01:21:58,619
amount of new investing in huge
amounts of new technology.

1354
01:21:59,160 --> 01:22:01,980
Here it comes Be very afraid
when you hear what's happening

1355
01:22:01,980 --> 01:22:02,370
now.

1356
01:22:02,400 --> 01:22:06,270
So we typically invest around
114 million pounds per annum

1357
01:22:06,300 --> 01:22:08,850
send them over the next five
years, we're spending another

1358
01:22:08,850 --> 01:22:13,710
575 million pounds to bring our
systems up to date with the

1359
01:22:13,710 --> 01:22:17,160
latest single European skies
program, which has just been

1360
01:22:17,370 --> 01:22:20,790
launched last week and wait for
it. And the UK has very much a

1361
01:22:20,790 --> 01:22:23,760
leading role in that. So for the
next five years, we're going to

1362
01:22:23,760 --> 01:22:27,390
be moving more towards internet
based systems, which are very

1363
01:22:27,390 --> 01:22:29,730
important, much more resilient
than systems

1364
01:22:31,620 --> 01:22:36,210
like that, do not move your to
an internet based system, it

1365
01:22:36,210 --> 01:22:38,100
will not be more resilient.

1366
01:22:38,220 --> 01:22:43,710
Holy moly. Now, of course, I
still don't really have an act

1367
01:22:43,710 --> 01:22:44,610
immediately.

1368
01:22:45,000 --> 01:22:47,910
I still don't have any real
information. But I think that

1369
01:22:48,030 --> 01:22:51,630
someone needs to step up. And
there needs to be a way for

1370
01:22:51,630 --> 01:22:55,290
reporters to go okay, so I'll
buy your one line of code and

1371
01:22:55,290 --> 01:22:55,920
millions of

1372
01:22:56,700 --> 01:22:59,760
it. That's nonsense. Who cares?
Yeah, there's a line of code

1373
01:22:59,760 --> 01:23:02,040
that took the data and wrong or
something. What difference does

1374
01:23:02,040 --> 01:23:04,320
it make? That's always going to
happen that's never going to end

1375
01:23:04,320 --> 01:23:08,040
it's just the way it is. So what
toys that's not even newsworthy,

1376
01:23:08,040 --> 01:23:11,130
but the idea that they're gonna
put him in that base system. I

1377
01:23:11,130 --> 01:23:13,620
mean, why don't you just shoot
yourself?

1378
01:23:13,830 --> 01:23:17,730
I love how he says it. We're
moving towards an internet based

1379
01:23:17,730 --> 01:23:23,430
system for resilience. Oh, yeah.

1380
01:23:25,110 --> 01:23:26,490
Reminds me of many a story.

1381
01:23:26,880 --> 01:23:28,110
Well, you want to hit me with it

1382
01:23:28,230 --> 01:23:30,240
took too long to get to the
point out, you should just put

1383
01:23:30,240 --> 01:23:33,360
that right up front and we could
have moaned and groaned. That

1384
01:23:33,360 --> 01:23:36,690
was I didn't realize it was so
Bunnell. Yeah,

1385
01:23:36,780 --> 01:23:38,010
one line of code.

1386
01:23:39,030 --> 01:23:43,440
Well, yeah, it was, I thought it
may be something more

1387
01:23:43,440 --> 01:23:46,710
interesting than that. That's
boring. But that internet thing

1388
01:23:46,710 --> 01:23:51,540
is, that's pretty outrageous. I
mean, what are they thinking?

1389
01:23:51,930 --> 01:23:54,390
You know, it's going to be
hacked. In fact, it's going to

1390
01:23:54,390 --> 01:23:55,590
be such a great target.

1391
01:23:57,150 --> 01:23:59,310
Again, this is what this is why
it's a private public

1392
01:23:59,310 --> 01:24:02,610
partnership. On and yeah, easy
money just raising, you

1393
01:24:02,670 --> 01:24:06,360
know, on and on, and on and on
with all these guys. We heard a

1394
01:24:06,360 --> 01:24:09,900
million hours of testimony, oh,
cyber, this cyber that and we

1395
01:24:09,900 --> 01:24:11,820
have all these guys that don't
really know anything about

1396
01:24:11,820 --> 01:24:12,480
cyber. I

1397
01:24:12,509 --> 01:24:17,459
think they also passed the cyber
bill. Yeah, I resisted.

1398
01:24:18,450 --> 01:24:21,720
Hillary would say what
difference does it make? Well,

1399
01:24:21,720 --> 01:24:25,380
this is the stop these hackers.
This is

1400
01:24:26,160 --> 01:24:31,830
this is the homeland, the
cybersecurity critical

1401
01:24:31,830 --> 01:24:33,180
infrastructure protection

1402
01:24:33,210 --> 01:24:37,590
bill. Emmys it doesn't protect
anything correct one, this is

1403
01:24:37,590 --> 01:24:40,830
the I think this is one that's
actually just a bonanza for guys

1404
01:24:40,830 --> 01:24:44,370
like, Richard, what's his name
and all these other so called

1405
01:24:44,370 --> 01:24:47,250
experts that are going to
Richard Clark Yeah. And all

1406
01:24:47,250 --> 01:24:50,340
these ex ex tech experts that
were in Congress, they don't

1407
01:24:50,340 --> 01:24:52,470
know anything about how you
could turn on a computer and

1408
01:24:52,470 --> 01:24:55,230
they're going to be running
certain consulting operations.

1409
01:24:55,230 --> 01:24:57,780
If you're interested. I can make
a fortune if you're interested.

1410
01:24:57,780 --> 01:24:59,640
Yes. If you're interested in
give you a quick rundown this

1411
01:24:59,640 --> 01:25:02,790
was the So, this is the National
Cybersecurity and Critical

1412
01:25:02,790 --> 01:25:07,140
Infrastructure Protection Act of
2014. And this is what we've

1413
01:25:07,140 --> 01:25:12,450
been looking at for a while now,
this is the cyber sharing the

1414
01:25:12,450 --> 01:25:16,530
sharing of information, if you
recall, and this all falls under

1415
01:25:16,530 --> 01:25:21,690
subtitle C, Cybersecurity
Information Sharing. So, the

1416
01:25:21,690 --> 01:25:24,300
government will be sharing with
private industry in the

1417
01:25:24,300 --> 01:25:29,160
following sectors, chemical
commercial facilities, which is

1418
01:25:29,160 --> 01:25:32,370
not defined, I guess commercial
facilities could be anything.

1419
01:25:33,420 --> 01:25:36,540
Communications, critical
manufacturing dams, defense,

1420
01:25:36,570 --> 01:25:39,900
industrial base emergency
services, energy, which is

1421
01:25:39,930 --> 01:25:43,230
pretty much everything else.
Financial services, so the

1422
01:25:43,230 --> 01:25:47,370
government now we'll be sharing
information with your bank more

1423
01:25:47,370 --> 01:25:49,950
than they do already. Food and
Agriculture, government

1424
01:25:49,950 --> 01:25:52,080
facilities, health care and
public health information

1425
01:25:52,080 --> 01:25:54,600
technology, nuclear reactors,
materials and waste

1426
01:25:54,600 --> 01:25:58,950
transportation systems, which
the bus water and wastewater

1427
01:25:58,950 --> 01:26:02,880
systems and such other sectors
as the secretary determines

1428
01:26:02,910 --> 01:26:09,240
appropriate. So just pretty much
everything. And each sector

1429
01:26:09,240 --> 01:26:13,380
specific agency so recognize at
least one, this is what we got

1430
01:26:13,380 --> 01:26:19,710
to pay attention to Information
Sharing and Analysis Center. So

1431
01:26:19,710 --> 01:26:22,590
this is what we're going to be
building information and

1432
01:26:22,590 --> 01:26:26,010
analysis centers, which will be
these guest centers of

1433
01:26:26,010 --> 01:26:26,940
excellence.

1434
01:26:29,190 --> 01:26:32,160
You know, we've got this road
out here, highway

1435
01:26:32,280 --> 01:26:35,370
goes through Oh, no, it's not,
not the potholes. There's

1436
01:26:35,370 --> 01:26:36,120
potholes

1437
01:26:36,120 --> 01:26:39,180
all over the place. And Oakland
is a joke. If you drive through

1438
01:26:39,180 --> 01:26:43,260
Oakland on the the, I guess is
the ad that goes down there.

1439
01:26:43,980 --> 01:26:48,060
Through Oakland. It's you might
as well get have your ball

1440
01:26:48,060 --> 01:26:51,120
joints replaced every time we
take a trip down here. Why

1441
01:26:51,120 --> 01:26:55,140
aren't they fixing these
highways? And when I was in Los

1442
01:26:55,140 --> 01:26:57,960
Angeles the last time I didn't
realize that Los Angeles is

1443
01:26:57,960 --> 01:27:00,660
worse than some of the ritziest
parts.

1444
01:27:00,719 --> 01:27:05,189
Oh, man. Oh, just a rag. It's
horrible. I know horrible,

1445
01:27:05,220 --> 01:27:08,400
crappy roads. But all we're
gonna build a bunch of bullcrap

1446
01:27:08,400 --> 01:27:11,250
for no good reason. This is
like, up in Port Angeles.

1447
01:27:11,250 --> 01:27:15,660
There's a big giant homeland
security headquarters because of

1448
01:27:15,660 --> 01:27:18,990
all the Mexicans coming down
from Canada. And they got these

1449
01:27:18,990 --> 01:27:23,070
guys and they got overstaffed
building costs a lot of money. I

1450
01:27:23,070 --> 01:27:26,310
don't, I'm just not saying that
they're doing the spending their

1451
01:27:26,310 --> 01:27:27,120
money wisely.

1452
01:27:27,150 --> 01:27:30,150
Section 205 is the only piece I
wanted to pull out and just

1453
01:27:30,150 --> 01:27:33,480
discuss with you I think the
language is is interesting. So

1454
01:27:33,480 --> 01:27:36,630
in all this information sharing
between the sector's which is

1455
01:27:36,630 --> 01:27:41,730
pretty much everything. And the
government. Section 205 Is the

1456
01:27:41,760 --> 01:27:45,750
prohibition on collection
activities to track individuals

1457
01:27:45,810 --> 01:27:50,730
personally identified and
identifiable information. So

1458
01:27:50,730 --> 01:27:53,910
this is what there would not be
allowed to occur. Nothing in

1459
01:27:53,910 --> 01:27:57,600
this Act shall permit the
Department of Homeland Security

1460
01:27:57,600 --> 01:28:02,700
to engage in the monitoring,
surveillance, exfiltration or

1461
01:28:02,700 --> 01:28:06,960
other collection activities for
the purpose of tracking an

1462
01:28:06,960 --> 01:28:10,500
individual's personally
identifiable information. And I

1463
01:28:10,500 --> 01:28:13,410
think you can look at the
purpose, the word purpose and

1464
01:28:13,410 --> 01:28:18,180
maybe just tracking. So you can
still look at something

1465
01:28:18,210 --> 01:28:20,970
someone's individual's purse,
individual person identifiable

1466
01:28:20,970 --> 01:28:28,560
information, but you can't track
it. Why not? Because that's the

1467
01:28:28,560 --> 01:28:28,890
point

1468
01:28:28,890 --> 01:28:32,310
of this. They're tracking us in
every other way. And all these

1469
01:28:32,310 --> 01:28:35,370
other laws that we read. Oh,
wow. You're asked laws? No.

1470
01:28:35,370 --> 01:28:36,690
What's the point of this?

1471
01:28:36,719 --> 01:28:40,409
I think, I think what it
actually does is gives them so

1472
01:28:40,409 --> 01:28:41,549
you have a criminal,

1473
01:28:42,060 --> 01:28:46,890
a known criminal roaming around
and you can't track him. Is that

1474
01:28:46,890 --> 01:28:47,910
what this law says?

1475
01:28:48,240 --> 01:28:54,510
No. No. You cannot collect
specifically to track

1476
01:28:54,540 --> 01:28:58,410
individuals personally identify
why nosh. That's what it says.

1477
01:28:58,410 --> 01:29:02,160
It doesn't say why not? It says
Oh, no to John C. Dvorak. Here's

1478
01:29:02,160 --> 01:29:06,090
why not. I don't know this for
years for your privacy, I guess.

1479
01:29:06,570 --> 01:29:09,240
I think it will seem to care
about in any other dimension of

1480
01:29:09,240 --> 01:29:09,780
the law. I

1481
01:29:09,780 --> 01:29:12,630
think I think it does exactly
the opposite. I think it says

1482
01:29:12,630 --> 01:29:15,150
you can collect and look at
anything you just can't use it

1483
01:29:15,150 --> 01:29:18,570
for tracking. That's what I
think it says I think it's the

1484
01:29:18,570 --> 01:29:20,040
reverse whammy.

1485
01:29:21,120 --> 01:29:23,580
Well, that would Yeah, that
would make more sense.

1486
01:29:24,059 --> 01:29:28,229
That's the way I read it. So you
can collect and you can

1487
01:29:28,229 --> 01:29:32,669
exfiltrate and you can monitor
but you can't do that to track

1488
01:29:32,699 --> 01:29:35,699
an individual's personally
identifiable information that's

1489
01:29:35,699 --> 01:29:38,579
not even a person you can track
a person just not their

1490
01:29:38,579 --> 01:29:41,039
personally identifiable
information. I don't like the

1491
01:29:41,039 --> 01:29:43,349
way it's written. I think it's
nefarious

1492
01:29:45,270 --> 01:29:48,810
All right. I don't know that
there's much to discuss it just

1493
01:29:48,810 --> 01:29:51,120
sounds like another bogus law
they're writing too many laws

1494
01:29:51,120 --> 01:29:54,210
People always complain I've
always said these are passing

1495
01:29:54,210 --> 01:29:57,030
this is being passed there's no
there's they were they kids

1496
01:29:57,030 --> 01:29:59,610
should do nothing Congress if
you ever say is to do nothing,

1497
01:29:59,610 --> 01:30:02,430
Congress is actually a do
nothing Congress. Nothing could

1498
01:30:02,430 --> 01:30:03,180
be better.

1499
01:30:05,580 --> 01:30:07,320
Well, that's interesting. You
better than a do

1500
01:30:07,320 --> 01:30:11,310
nothing Congress. Oh, they're
log jammed. That's fine.

1501
01:30:11,400 --> 01:30:13,440
Is that interesting you bring
that up I want to talk about

1502
01:30:13,440 --> 01:30:20,220
this. There is a report that
came out called the wild people

1503
01:30:20,220 --> 01:30:23,880
are calling it the the Guillen's
flatline. And this is a report

1504
01:30:23,910 --> 01:30:32,100
of done by to let me see if I
have it here. This is two

1505
01:30:32,190 --> 01:30:35,940
professors Martin Gilens and
Benjamin page. And they've been

1506
01:30:35,940 --> 01:30:40,290
written up in several
publications, New Yorker, you

1507
01:30:40,290 --> 01:30:45,030
know, quasi serious, serious
publications. And what they've

1508
01:30:45,030 --> 01:30:48,330
discovered with this, with this
research I've done over 10

1509
01:30:48,330 --> 01:30:52,860
years, is that if you look at
the financial elites, which I

1510
01:30:52,860 --> 01:30:54,780
think first of all, it's
everybody in Congress, but you

1511
01:30:54,780 --> 01:30:57,390
know, the financial elites,
everyone who's it's not you and

1512
01:30:57,390 --> 01:31:01,080
I, let's put it that way. And
then everybody else, they they

1513
01:31:01,080 --> 01:31:04,230
charted the graph, when the
financial elites really want

1514
01:31:04,230 --> 01:31:08,970
something, you know, 90 to 100%
of what they wanted gets done.

1515
01:31:09,690 --> 01:31:13,560
And then the flatline graph is
everybody else, whether nobody

1516
01:31:13,560 --> 01:31:17,340
wants certain legislation
passed, or everybody wants

1517
01:31:17,340 --> 01:31:21,840
certain legislation passed, the
amount is still 30% of what

1518
01:31:21,840 --> 01:31:25,950
those people wanted. So really,
what this shows is, whatever

1519
01:31:25,980 --> 01:31:27,660
now what are you looking at?

1520
01:31:28,200 --> 01:31:35,850
This is the Martin Geils. That
Guillen's gi l e n s. Chart.

1521
01:31:38,910 --> 01:31:40,050
I have to look at this. Yes,

1522
01:31:40,080 --> 01:31:43,800
g i L. E. N S. Well, they both
appeared on the John Stewart

1523
01:31:43,800 --> 01:31:46,620
show a couple months back. And
this is kind of what led me into

1524
01:31:46,620 --> 01:31:49,290
looking at these guys, here's
here's a quick clip of what they

1525
01:31:49,290 --> 01:31:49,830
talked about.

1526
01:31:49,860 --> 01:31:54,660
How do you quantify something
like that? What what metrics do

1527
01:31:54,660 --> 01:31:59,460
you use, we looked at a couple
of 1000 potential policy changes

1528
01:31:59,460 --> 01:32:02,490
in the United States over 25
years. And we measured what

1529
01:32:02,520 --> 01:32:05,310
ordinary citizens wanted,
whether they favored or oppose

1530
01:32:05,310 --> 01:32:08,370
them, where elites economic
elites wanted and were

1531
01:32:08,370 --> 01:32:10,920
interested groups fell. By
having measures of all those

1532
01:32:10,920 --> 01:32:14,280
things, we could put them into a
statistical model that would

1533
01:32:14,310 --> 01:32:18,300
assess the influence of each of
those sets of actors. Is the

1534
01:32:18,300 --> 01:32:22,710
variable enough from what the
non elite public wants to what

1535
01:32:22,710 --> 01:32:28,530
the elite want? Did you find a
large spread between their aims?

1536
01:32:29,040 --> 01:32:30,540
Yes, yeah. There,

1537
01:32:30,570 --> 01:32:33,210
there are some very important
issues, including Social

1538
01:32:33,210 --> 01:32:38,130
Security deficits, economic
regulation, taxes, what can we

1539
01:32:38,130 --> 01:32:40,830
do about the differential that
what can we do about it? What

1540
01:32:40,830 --> 01:32:41,400
sounds

1541
01:32:42,510 --> 01:32:45,450
important? Krugman wrote a
column and he said, you know,

1542
01:32:45,450 --> 01:32:48,090
this study is okay. But it's
going to discourage people. And

1543
01:32:48,090 --> 01:32:52,410
that's bad. And I think there's
something to that, that this

1544
01:32:52,410 --> 01:32:57,060
this is a solvable problem. I
think it takes a very big social

1545
01:32:57,060 --> 01:33:00,780
movement. I think it takes
bipartisan leadership. And it

1546
01:33:00,780 --> 01:33:04,500
actually takes some wealthy
people on the same side to make

1547
01:33:04,500 --> 01:33:07,560
it happen. Right. Nothing seems
to happen in American politics

1548
01:33:07,560 --> 01:33:08,370
of any importance,

1549
01:33:08,400 --> 01:33:10,560
right. I was gonna say, do you
know of a country where that

1550
01:33:10,560 --> 01:33:11,940
could happen? Is there anything?

1551
01:33:13,260 --> 01:33:15,990
Well, the United States at the
beginning of the 20th century,

1552
01:33:15,990 --> 01:33:19,500
the progressive period, and I
think it's really worth looking

1553
01:33:19,500 --> 01:33:21,660
back to that and some lessons.

1554
01:33:21,780 --> 01:33:24,780
All right. So you understand
what the general premises of

1555
01:33:24,780 --> 01:33:25,530
this Yes, and

1556
01:33:25,530 --> 01:33:28,380
I do want to mention something
just kind of in passing. That

1557
01:33:28,380 --> 01:33:31,410
was a clip from the John Stuart
show, and you played it. Yeah.

1558
01:33:31,410 --> 01:33:31,710
So

1559
01:33:32,220 --> 01:33:35,670
yeah, I did. I did. It wasn't a
particularly funny one. I was

1560
01:33:35,670 --> 01:33:38,940
just surprised that these guys
were on the Jon Stewart show and

1561
01:33:38,940 --> 01:33:41,730
I agreed it was scripted,
because he hasn't. Steward was

1562
01:33:41,730 --> 01:33:44,100
way out of his depth. And he
tried to do some funny job. I

1563
01:33:44,100 --> 01:33:47,820
cut all the stupid jocuri out.
Now, what's interesting about

1564
01:33:47,820 --> 01:33:53,940
this is there's a guy from MIT,
I think, James D'Angelo, and he

1565
01:33:53,940 --> 01:33:57,180
has a theory that is like an
hour and a half long YouTube

1566
01:33:57,180 --> 01:33:59,400
video, which I don't think is,
you know, I couldn't really pull

1567
01:33:59,400 --> 01:34:02,520
any clips from it. But he looked
at this so called, they call it

1568
01:34:02,520 --> 01:34:05,970
the Guillen's flatline. So
again, what what this research

1569
01:34:05,970 --> 01:34:10,740
says is that when the people
want something 100 They really

1570
01:34:10,740 --> 01:34:13,860
want it all the way only 30% of
what they want gets done if they

1571
01:34:13,860 --> 01:34:16,980
don't want something done only
30 still 30%. So what the people

1572
01:34:16,980 --> 01:34:22,410
want in our Congress to do
doesn't matter. What does matter

1573
01:34:22,410 --> 01:34:26,280
is the financial elites. And
what he came across is that

1574
01:34:26,280 --> 01:34:31,350
change, this really started to
change dramatically in 1970.

1575
01:34:32,340 --> 01:34:35,820
This, this is when the flatline
of the Guillen's charge started

1576
01:34:35,820 --> 01:34:38,640
to take place. And this guy, I
really thought that was

1577
01:34:38,640 --> 01:34:41,610
interesting. He brings it back
to the legislative

1578
01:34:41,610 --> 01:34:46,980
Reorganization Act of 1970. This
is interesting. And the and the

1579
01:34:47,040 --> 01:34:51,270
thank god, I've been striking
out with you all day. I hope I'm

1580
01:34:51,270 --> 01:34:52,200
really really worried. I

1581
01:34:52,200 --> 01:34:54,540
hope you liked it, but it's
interesting to me.

1582
01:34:54,600 --> 01:34:58,590
Okay. So the legislative
Reorganization Act of 1970 was

1583
01:34:58,590 --> 01:35:02,430
an act to call To improve the
operation of the legislative

1584
01:35:02,430 --> 01:35:04,740
branch of the federal
government, and for other

1585
01:35:04,740 --> 01:35:07,740
purposes, of course, and it did
the following.

1586
01:35:08,010 --> 01:35:10,860
This should be Nixon, by the way
for anyone keeping score is that

1587
01:35:10,890 --> 01:35:13,500
1970? was Nixon right? Well, a
lot of things happened in the

1588
01:35:13,500 --> 01:35:15,930
70s, including the petro dollar
and all that stuff.

1589
01:35:15,990 --> 01:35:17,910
Well, yeah, that's because it
was the beginning of a bit of a

1590
01:35:17,940 --> 01:35:19,020
40 year depression.

1591
01:35:19,770 --> 01:35:24,990
So the provisions of this bill,
required that reports on a

1592
01:35:24,990 --> 01:35:28,380
measure be made available three
days before floor vote, and here

1593
01:35:28,380 --> 01:35:30,480
I think is the one that's
important, established

1594
01:35:30,480 --> 01:35:35,670
procedures or recorded votes in
the House Committee of the Whole

1595
01:35:36,300 --> 01:35:40,800
and led to the installment of
electronic voting machines. And

1596
01:35:40,800 --> 01:35:43,650
the Committee of the Whole,
which I didn't know much about,

1597
01:35:44,730 --> 01:35:48,690
I have here on all of this is
all from, from the book of

1598
01:35:48,690 --> 01:35:51,270
knowledge, so I'm going to
presume it's kind of okay.

1599
01:35:52,110 --> 01:35:54,360
United States House of
Representatives, the Committee

1600
01:35:54,390 --> 01:35:57,690
of the Whole short for Committee
of the Whole House, on the State

1601
01:35:57,690 --> 01:36:00,750
of the Union, is a parliamentary
device in which the House of

1602
01:36:00,750 --> 01:36:03,570
Representatives is considered
one large congressional

1603
01:36:03,600 --> 01:36:06,630
committee. The presiding
officers chosen by the Speaker

1604
01:36:06,630 --> 01:36:08,670
of the House is normally a
member of the majority party who

1605
01:36:08,670 --> 01:36:11,190
does not hold the chair of long
standing committee. So it's,

1606
01:36:11,400 --> 01:36:17,220
it's about a super committee. So
what changed is the votes of

1607
01:36:17,220 --> 01:36:22,080
this House Committee of the
Whole became recorded thanks for

1608
01:36:22,080 --> 01:36:25,050
this act. And it led to the
installation of electronic

1609
01:36:25,050 --> 01:36:28,110
voting machines in Congress are
really where a lot of these

1610
01:36:28,110 --> 01:36:32,040
votes were. All in favor, say
aye. Aye. Aye. All opposed say

1611
01:36:32,040 --> 01:36:36,510
nay, the eyes have it. But it
really you didn't have a hey,

1612
01:36:36,540 --> 01:36:40,650
this guy voted for this, this
guy voted for that. And there's

1613
01:36:40,650 --> 01:36:46,200
a couple other similar pieces of
of changes that were established

1614
01:36:46,200 --> 01:36:48,900
in this legislative
Reorganization Act. And what

1615
01:36:48,900 --> 01:36:52,890
happened after this is a whole
bunch of things started to come

1616
01:36:52,890 --> 01:36:58,170
into play mainly lobbying
groups, and groups like ALEC,

1617
01:36:58,920 --> 01:37:03,330
and the Heritage Foundation, and
the huge lobbying group Cassidy

1618
01:37:03,330 --> 01:37:06,600
and Associates. And of course, I
don't really remember too much

1619
01:37:06,600 --> 01:37:10,650
about it. But there was the big
Abram off scandal. He was a

1620
01:37:10,650 --> 01:37:13,260
lobbyist for Indian Senator
restaurant that

1621
01:37:13,260 --> 01:37:14,460
was wrong after

1622
01:37:14,490 --> 01:37:19,320
Yes, yeah, it was no. But just
to show you how the lobbying

1623
01:37:19,320 --> 01:37:23,880
groups came in, and what, what
this what this guy asserts, this

1624
01:37:24,720 --> 01:37:30,660
MIT guy, he says, voting in the
United States. When you and I go

1625
01:37:30,660 --> 01:37:34,740
to vote, and we go to vote, or
whatever elections it is, we go

1626
01:37:34,740 --> 01:37:37,650
into the voting booth, we draw a
curtain around us, and nobody

1627
01:37:37,650 --> 01:37:40,800
knows what I voted. And I don't
get a receipt that says that I

1628
01:37:40,800 --> 01:37:43,890
voted for anything. Because if
you did that, then it would be

1629
01:37:43,890 --> 01:37:46,890
easy for me to sell my vote
because I could say, oh, I voted

1630
01:37:46,890 --> 01:37:49,380
for this because it's public
record. Or here's a receipt,

1631
01:37:49,380 --> 01:37:51,990
here's who I voted for. And it
would be too easy to commit

1632
01:37:51,990 --> 01:37:54,840
fraud. And we are taught from me

1633
01:37:54,840 --> 01:37:56,190
like with Internet voting.

1634
01:37:58,200 --> 01:38:02,910
Voting could be a very, very bad
idea. And if you think about it,

1635
01:38:02,910 --> 01:38:06,150
we're taught from a very young
age, even in school, we have you

1636
01:38:06,150 --> 01:38:09,360
put your boats in a cardboard
box, and then the ballots are

1637
01:38:09,360 --> 01:38:14,760
counted. It's always done in
secret, except in Congress,

1638
01:38:15,630 --> 01:38:21,240
which is exactly why the system
is inherently built to be

1639
01:38:22,860 --> 01:38:26,670
rigged, because you can just sit
there Your vote is public, you

1640
01:38:26,670 --> 01:38:30,390
can swap votes with other guys,
you can sell this to lobbyists,

1641
01:38:30,510 --> 01:38:33,000
lobbyists are giving people
millions of dollars for their

1642
01:38:33,120 --> 01:38:36,360
reelection campaigns. And it
really started in this in this

1643
01:38:37,290 --> 01:38:40,500
legislative Reorganization Act
of 1970. That these votes, not

1644
01:38:40,500 --> 01:38:44,280
only the house of the committee
votes were now recorded, and

1645
01:38:44,280 --> 01:38:48,690
public, but they installed the
electronic voting machines in in

1646
01:38:48,690 --> 01:38:51,420
the House of Representatives and
the Senate. And it's now

1647
01:38:51,420 --> 01:38:54,060
published within seconds. So you
can see if you're a guy, you're

1648
01:38:54,060 --> 01:38:57,210
a boy, your gal, whoever is
doing what they promised, and

1649
01:38:57,210 --> 01:38:59,790
you need to send the money or
not. And what I thought was

1650
01:38:59,790 --> 01:39:03,240
interesting about this D'Angelo
character is he said, we could

1651
01:39:03,240 --> 01:39:05,580
solve everything, not the way
the two researchers have the

1652
01:39:05,580 --> 01:39:08,790
report, say, you know, by
millions of dollars, everybody

1653
01:39:08,790 --> 01:39:10,980
getting together and a huge
movement. Now we could just say,

1654
01:39:10,980 --> 01:39:13,950
why don't we just go back to
anonymous votes in the House in

1655
01:39:13,950 --> 01:39:15,210
the Senate? And they

1656
01:39:15,210 --> 01:39:19,110
are this bullshit. Why? For one
thing, that's nonsense. Anytime

1657
01:39:19,110 --> 01:39:21,360
there was a really important
vote, you can find the voting

1658
01:39:21,360 --> 01:39:24,300
records of people back before
the 1970s. If there was

1659
01:39:24,330 --> 01:39:27,420
something important they do it
today they do yea or nay and

1660
01:39:27,420 --> 01:39:32,820
then somebody say anybody can
go. I'd like a recorded vote and

1661
01:39:32,820 --> 01:39:36,690
they do it. I agree. And they
used to do it. They've always

1662
01:39:36,690 --> 01:39:40,470
done it. I don't believe any of
this stuff does MIT guy says, I

1663
01:39:40,470 --> 01:39:43,410
think it all sounds dubious.
It's not enough to have there's

1664
01:39:43,410 --> 01:39:46,110
something I'm looking at the
chart right now out on the good

1665
01:39:46,140 --> 01:39:50,100
side is mike.com nyc.com. They
got all this stuff on there. And

1666
01:39:50,100 --> 01:39:53,010
they got this chart. One of the
charts, they have the flatline

1667
01:39:53,010 --> 01:39:54,870
charts, they have all of them,
but they have this one chart

1668
01:39:54,870 --> 01:39:59,130
called income gains widely
shared in early postwar decades.

1669
01:39:59,730 --> 01:40:04,710
But Since then, and then you can
see very clearly from 1950 to

1670
01:40:04,710 --> 01:40:10,980
1970, just what he said, There
was a one to one, the 95th

1671
01:40:10,980 --> 01:40:14,250
percentile of people, the median
and the bottom people all gained

1672
01:40:14,250 --> 01:40:19,500
income with on the same exact
curve, going straight up 97 A

1673
01:40:19,500 --> 01:40:21,870
flat flattens out a little bit
because there was a depression

1674
01:40:21,870 --> 01:40:27,360
anyway. 1975 is actually where
it starts to diverge, and it

1675
01:40:27,360 --> 01:40:30,720
starts to diverge and diverge
and diverge, and it never stops.

1676
01:40:30,720 --> 01:40:34,560
And the big divergence is the
95. The top people, the one

1677
01:40:34,560 --> 01:40:37,860
percenters, Five Percenters,
whatever they're called, they

1678
01:40:37,860 --> 01:40:40,380
start making a lot more money
and everybody else kind of like

1679
01:40:40,410 --> 01:40:44,400
dwindles on the vine, they kind
of an agenda starts to separate

1680
01:40:44,400 --> 01:40:47,700
and all the way so something did
happen in the 70s. But I don't

1681
01:40:47,700 --> 01:40:50,820
believe it was because of the
way they voted in Congress. And

1682
01:40:50,820 --> 01:40:53,490
you couldn't point out that this
guy voted the wrong way. What

1683
01:40:53,490 --> 01:40:57,120
would that tell? How does how
does that go into effect? Income

1684
01:40:57,120 --> 01:41:00,210
distribution? I just don't see
it. There's something else I

1685
01:41:00,210 --> 01:41:00,660
didn't say

1686
01:41:00,660 --> 01:41:04,800
to find, I didn't say affected
income distribution. I didn't

1687
01:41:04,800 --> 01:41:09,240
say that. I said it affected
what the people wanted in at on

1688
01:41:09,240 --> 01:41:12,360
mass and what they got and what
the financial elites wanted. And

1689
01:41:12,360 --> 01:41:16,800
well, they go, okay. I've never
said anything about income. But

1690
01:41:16,800 --> 01:41:18,660
it boils down to that. No, it
does not, it

1691
01:41:18,720 --> 01:41:23,460
does to me, what do people want
is more money. Okay. So in order

1692
01:41:23,460 --> 01:41:26,400
interest or buy money or money,
yes, they didn't get as much

1693
01:41:26,400 --> 01:41:29,970
influence than you are. And also
the implications about lobbyists

1694
01:41:29,970 --> 01:41:32,850
is also very dubious that
there's a lot more money going

1695
01:41:32,850 --> 01:41:36,540
around. There's a lot I think it
has to do with, I'd like to find

1696
01:41:36,540 --> 01:41:38,670
out when that law was passed
that you don't if you're a

1697
01:41:38,670 --> 01:41:41,160
congressman, you can invest on
insight, you can do insider

1698
01:41:41,160 --> 01:41:44,730
trading. I think that that date
would be could it could I have

1699
01:41:44,730 --> 01:41:45,060
you,

1700
01:41:45,390 --> 01:41:51,300
just for one moment, just
breathe. And listen to the idea

1701
01:41:51,300 --> 01:41:55,770
the concept of having just the
concept I that's all I really

1702
01:41:55,770 --> 01:42:01,020
want to discuss here. If the
votes that and there's a whole

1703
01:42:01,020 --> 01:42:04,620
discussion to be had about my
representative, I presume that

1704
01:42:04,620 --> 01:42:08,460
we are vote representatives to
go represent us. And of course,

1705
01:42:08,460 --> 01:42:12,030
the downside is you don't know
what your guy voted for. But you

1706
01:42:12,030 --> 01:42:14,460
vote someone because you think
that they know all the angles,

1707
01:42:14,460 --> 01:42:18,240
and they're going to be working
on your behalf. Otherwise, you

1708
01:42:18,240 --> 01:42:21,330
vote them out. But it's very
hard to vote somebody out when

1709
01:42:21,390 --> 01:42:23,520
their votes are public, and
they're selling their votes.

1710
01:42:23,520 --> 01:42:25,560
They're essentially selling
their votes, not just for the

1711
01:42:25,560 --> 01:42:28,140
insider trading, insider trading
deals they do that are hidden in

1712
01:42:28,140 --> 01:42:31,080
the basement. Everybody's
selling their vote, you give me

1713
01:42:31,080 --> 01:42:31,860
this much money, I

1714
01:42:31,890 --> 01:42:33,510
want to know what they voted on.

1715
01:42:33,570 --> 01:42:38,970
I'm right. I'm asking you to,
for a moment step back and think

1716
01:42:38,970 --> 01:42:42,510
about what would happen would it
change? Because that's the

1717
01:42:42,510 --> 01:42:46,920
central point that this guy is
making? If we had those votes,

1718
01:42:47,400 --> 01:42:52,230
not be public attributed to each
individual representative? Would

1719
01:42:52,230 --> 01:42:56,550
that change the money that is
being put into these coffers for

1720
01:42:56,550 --> 01:42:59,130
votes? No. Why not?

1721
01:42:59,280 --> 01:43:02,520
Because I'm the guy working with
who some of these when lobbyists

1722
01:43:02,520 --> 01:43:06,720
about mining, and I want my
state to be mined out. And so

1723
01:43:06,720 --> 01:43:09,480
the vote comes up for this and
it starts to be defeated.

1724
01:43:09,510 --> 01:43:12,090
Meanwhile, I'm getting a lot of
money for this from these guys

1725
01:43:12,090 --> 01:43:18,000
to to get this thing passed. So
I call for a roll call vote. I

1726
01:43:18,000 --> 01:43:20,220
wouldn't let it pass. It
wouldn't let this go. Oh, yes.

1727
01:43:20,220 --> 01:43:23,100
No, I mean, yeah, fine. They can
do that. For most laws. I'm

1728
01:43:23,100 --> 01:43:26,790
asking something important to me
in my state and I'm an I'm a

1729
01:43:27,540 --> 01:43:29,670
steward for a lobbyist I'm
calling for a roll

1730
01:43:29,670 --> 01:43:34,260
call vote. And I'm saying this
is what I'm saying? What if just

1731
01:43:34,260 --> 01:43:38,280
What if you made that no longer
possible?

1732
01:43:38,280 --> 01:43:42,720
No, no roll call a major change.
And of course it's a major

1733
01:43:42,720 --> 01:43:45,720
change but I problem within the
again that there's a problem

1734
01:43:45,720 --> 01:43:48,870
because they're Beach, then
you'd be watching C span and

1735
01:43:48,870 --> 01:43:51,630
they'd be doing these votes and
you'd be here. Everybody in

1736
01:43:51,630 --> 01:43:58,650
favor say aye? Aye. Everybody,
pro se yet ne ne ne ne and the

1737
01:43:58,650 --> 01:44:02,790
eyes have it. It would be
scandalous. And you've seen this

1738
01:44:02,790 --> 01:44:05,970
happen in Congress, you watch C
span and we every so often they

1739
01:44:05,970 --> 01:44:08,970
pull one of these things off,
and nobody says yes. And they

1740
01:44:08,970 --> 01:44:12,600
say yes has it. This is book
bull crap.

1741
01:44:12,810 --> 01:44:16,260
Your view are so stuck on just
saying bullcrap. You're not

1742
01:44:16,260 --> 01:44:19,050
really listening to what I am
saying to the argument. I think

1743
01:44:19,050 --> 01:44:23,520
you're not arguing I'm asking.
I'm asking. So forget that. What

1744
01:44:23,520 --> 01:44:26,610
if we had a secret vote just
secret vote a cardboard box, you

1745
01:44:26,610 --> 01:44:29,310
put your vote in there. Then
they go in the open up and they

1746
01:44:29,310 --> 01:44:33,030
say here's the way they do
elections? Here's all the secret

1747
01:44:33,030 --> 01:44:36,270
votes that people voted in
secret for our president or for

1748
01:44:36,270 --> 01:44:40,560
your your for your
representative. Why is that? Why

1749
01:44:40,560 --> 01:44:43,830
is that not open? Why don't we
just have that open? Look? No,

1750
01:44:43,830 --> 01:44:47,100
no, no, I'm gonna say this. Open
that up. Let's have the same

1751
01:44:47,100 --> 01:44:49,830
rights as Congress so I can sell
my vote.

1752
01:44:51,030 --> 01:44:55,230
Because you're not you're voting
for representatives. It's

1753
01:44:55,230 --> 01:44:57,870
different than voting for laws.
There's it's not as though

1754
01:44:57,870 --> 01:45:00,270
you're voting for a law if
you're voting for a law I'd like

1755
01:45:00,270 --> 01:45:03,630
to know if you voted yes or no.
That's why it's open. You can't

1756
01:45:03,630 --> 01:45:06,900
have a bunch of secret crap. You
want the Congress to be run by a

1757
01:45:06,900 --> 01:45:08,100
secret than the bag.

1758
01:45:08,370 --> 01:45:11,760
Here's the mistake you make with
me. I don't want anything. I'm

1759
01:45:12,060 --> 01:45:15,330
putting a debate out there. You
attack it like I'm some fucking

1760
01:45:15,330 --> 01:45:15,960
moron,

1761
01:45:16,320 --> 01:45:19,830
attacking the MIT guy. It's a
bogus argument.

1762
01:45:21,360 --> 01:45:25,170
It's funny, I don't I see it as
I think it has some validity.

1763
01:45:25,230 --> 01:45:25,890
I'm just no

1764
01:45:26,130 --> 01:45:29,850
entity to see. This is like,
Yeah, I'm sure the Politburo and

1765
01:45:29,850 --> 01:45:33,690
Russia in Moscow would do it
that way. That's fine. That's

1766
01:45:33,690 --> 01:45:36,450
not the way we operate. We like
to know what our people are

1767
01:45:36,450 --> 01:45:38,580
voting on it. Why are they
voting? Yes. are they voting?

1768
01:45:38,580 --> 01:45:40,740
No, I think I know, I think

1769
01:45:40,740 --> 01:45:46,980
if you look at who was the
French guy, the two co the guy

1770
01:45:46,980 --> 01:45:50,130
who wrote the Democracy in
America.

1771
01:45:51,270 --> 01:45:54,690
Allah Alex De Tocqueville. Yeah,
that guy de Tocqueville.

1772
01:45:56,370 --> 01:45:59,190
I'm gonna go back and read that
I believe that there are

1773
01:45:59,190 --> 01:46:06,240
examples of, of governments that
function very well, where this

1774
01:46:06,240 --> 01:46:11,550
part of the process is not open
the way it is now. Because I'm

1775
01:46:11,550 --> 01:46:16,740
just saying, when you have,
here's all, here's only one

1776
01:46:16,740 --> 01:46:19,980
thing I really agree with. I
know that if we have a little

1777
01:46:19,980 --> 01:46:23,190
group of Ms. 10, guys, and we're
gonna vote, and we all know what

1778
01:46:23,190 --> 01:46:26,220
each other votes, there's a lot
of stuff that comes into play,

1779
01:46:26,220 --> 01:46:29,040
because oh, he votes that I
don't want to vote that. Whereas

1780
01:46:29,040 --> 01:46:31,770
if you really want it to be your
conscience, or what the people

1781
01:46:31,830 --> 01:46:35,130
that you're supposedly
representing, and for it not to

1782
01:46:35,130 --> 01:46:38,130
be something that you can
necessarily sell with proof that

1783
01:46:38,130 --> 01:46:42,990
you voted some way. It's
interesting to think about it.

1784
01:46:43,410 --> 01:46:45,570
And I don't think that
necessarily means you're

1785
01:46:45,570 --> 01:46:50,490
immediately in Nazi Germany, or
in, in deep red Russia, I think

1786
01:46:50,490 --> 01:46:54,720
it's interesting to explore,
since not only does it not seem

1787
01:46:54,720 --> 01:46:57,900
that, that there's any way of
stopping the money that is

1788
01:46:57,900 --> 01:47:03,330
controlling politics, the limits
of contributions were just

1789
01:47:03,330 --> 01:47:06,870
raised tenfold with this new
bill that was passed. So it's

1790
01:47:06,870 --> 01:47:09,570
clearly the path we're on is not
working. Well,

1791
01:47:09,570 --> 01:47:14,310
we know that. Well. There's a
lot of reasons for that. But we

1792
01:47:14,310 --> 01:47:19,590
do know that who voted yes and
no, on this particular thing

1793
01:47:19,590 --> 01:47:23,130
that allows you to bring in even
more money, it's did turn the

1794
01:47:23,130 --> 01:47:25,740
whole thing into a secret
society that just kind of votes

1795
01:47:25,740 --> 01:47:28,290
on the back, I think, is even
more corruptible. Because then

1796
01:47:28,290 --> 01:47:31,170
when I didn't vote for that new
I don't know who did. I'm the

1797
01:47:31,170 --> 01:47:32,250
one guy who said no,

1798
01:47:32,490 --> 01:47:35,790
what would we be? Would we
report would we be worse off?

1799
01:47:35,880 --> 01:47:39,120
Yeah, well, I think we'd be way
worse off. These guys would be

1800
01:47:39,120 --> 01:47:41,310
just taking money hand over
fist.

1801
01:47:41,610 --> 01:47:43,890
But they would do it anyway.
What's the it's easier now?

1802
01:47:43,890 --> 01:47:45,720
Because they can prove that they
voted the way

1803
01:47:47,250 --> 01:47:52,380
it's easier now because the
public is irresponsible and

1804
01:47:52,380 --> 01:47:55,590
doesn't look at these guys and
say this guy's a crook. Let's

1805
01:47:55,590 --> 01:47:59,970
get him out of here. All he's
doing is taking lobbyist money,

1806
01:48:00,240 --> 01:48:03,060
which you can now easily
identify the guy votes or

1807
01:48:03,060 --> 01:48:06,690
something. And the lobbyists get
you know, the guy behind it is a

1808
01:48:06,690 --> 01:48:09,840
bad law to do. We're part of
that group. That's a flatline we

1809
01:48:09,840 --> 01:48:13,800
don't have any influence. Get
some influence, vote these guys

1810
01:48:13,800 --> 01:48:14,130
out.

1811
01:48:14,640 --> 01:48:18,570
Okay. All right. Well, that's
not gonna happen. And it's one

1812
01:48:18,570 --> 01:48:22,140
thing that's not gonna happen.
Well, that's not gonna happen.

1813
01:48:22,800 --> 01:48:23,370
It can

1814
01:48:23,370 --> 01:48:23,790
happen.

1815
01:48:24,870 --> 01:48:25,740
Oh, that's the English

1816
01:48:26,220 --> 01:48:32,460
super PAC going like divorce.
Super PAC. All right, you got me

1817
01:48:32,490 --> 01:48:34,020
Eric is gonna set it up by the
way.

1818
01:48:38,310 --> 01:48:40,620
What the hell does that mean?
How do I make any money with the

1819
01:48:40,620 --> 01:48:44,100
super PAC and pay you get a pay
here and be a paid consultant?

1820
01:48:44,130 --> 01:48:44,430
How

1821
01:48:44,460 --> 01:48:47,490
explain that. Forget this. How
do I make money off of the

1822
01:48:47,520 --> 01:48:50,370
broken system we have now I
don't give a shit about trying

1823
01:48:50,370 --> 01:48:52,590
to fix what we're doing. I think
everybody

1824
01:48:52,830 --> 01:48:54,900
got a lot of these flaws. And I
think it could be part of the

1825
01:48:54,900 --> 01:48:59,130
super PAC. How does that work?
The Super PAC? I don't know. I

1826
01:48:59,130 --> 01:48:59,880
have no idea.

1827
01:49:01,080 --> 01:49:01,920
Okay, well,

1828
01:49:03,360 --> 01:49:06,210
there's lots of there's lots of
power behind one if you can

1829
01:49:06,509 --> 01:49:13,469
really don't want power. Who the
hell wants power? I do. All

1830
01:49:13,469 --> 01:49:16,289
right. Well, that was a good a
good little argument there. I'm

1831
01:49:16,289 --> 01:49:19,079
happy. Let's do something like
let's just do something.

1832
01:49:19,079 --> 01:49:19,649
lightful. Let

1833
01:49:19,650 --> 01:49:23,700
me let me interrupt and make a
segue. I do. I did catch a

1834
01:49:23,700 --> 01:49:27,510
native advertising that I want
to play. Nice, guys. We're

1835
01:49:27,510 --> 01:49:32,550
watching it and it's a it is
such shameless. This is a

1836
01:49:32,550 --> 01:49:35,340
shameless native ad. Do you
remember when you were in the

1837
01:49:35,340 --> 01:49:37,320
radio business? And they you
know, we talked about this

1838
01:49:37,320 --> 01:49:39,750
before, but a lot of people
don't know about it. You

1839
01:49:39,780 --> 01:49:43,410
especially in the early days
used to get a disc. Yes. That

1840
01:49:43,410 --> 01:49:47,580
was an interview that you had
the questions too, and it was so

1841
01:49:47,580 --> 01:49:51,360
Dimmick and you saw you play the
disc? And it'd be so much some

1842
01:49:51,360 --> 01:49:55,650
guys on the disc, answering
questions that you as the DJ or

1843
01:49:55,650 --> 01:49:58,920
the interviewer or whatever you
were doing. Were asking the guy

1844
01:49:58,950 --> 01:50:01,440
Yes. So it sounds Like you've
got the guy or the gal or the

1845
01:50:01,440 --> 01:50:03,660
person in the studio and then so
yeah, but it's really a

1846
01:50:03,660 --> 01:50:05,700
syndicated thing. Yes.
Syndicated?

1847
01:50:05,970 --> 01:50:08,760
Well, a lot of this native
native advertising, I believe is

1848
01:50:08,760 --> 01:50:11,160
done this way that you would
take they have a package

1849
01:50:11,400 --> 01:50:14,550
produced, they give it to the
station. Yeah, you'd have your

1850
01:50:14,550 --> 01:50:17,430
local person do some voiceover
here and there, right and then

1851
01:50:17,610 --> 01:50:20,940
the nice thing that's done
designated as an advertisement

1852
01:50:20,940 --> 01:50:23,820
this particular native ad, this
is the one but I'm going to tell

1853
01:50:23,820 --> 01:50:26,730
you which one it is you can cue
it up. It's horse instead. But

1854
01:50:26,730 --> 01:50:35,370
horse tours are us. So Oh, yes,
I saw this. I'm so happy you

1855
01:50:35,370 --> 01:50:39,210
caught this. This is a good one.
He saw it. Oh, this was great.

1856
01:50:39,270 --> 01:50:42,750
Let's station played it. It
costs it whatever the public

1857
01:50:42,750 --> 01:50:43,230
relations

1858
01:50:43,260 --> 01:50:45,060
cost him 20 grand that's all

1859
01:50:46,860 --> 01:50:50,580
it didn't cost him 20 grand it
was $200 that the woman got her

1860
01:50:50,610 --> 01:50:54,360
thing picked up on I read a
different version of it then

1861
01:50:54,420 --> 01:50:57,570
okay, what's the same thing Toys
R Us has had his native ads

1862
01:50:57,570 --> 01:51:00,060
thing going up and up and down
the West Coast has all done

1863
01:51:00,060 --> 01:51:03,480
locally. We don't know you know
a lot of is vague. The joke of

1864
01:51:03,480 --> 01:51:07,530
it to me was the piece ran
exactly one and a half minutes.

1865
01:51:07,560 --> 01:51:09,300
Yeah. Appetite.

1866
01:51:09,990 --> 01:51:12,900
Well, that's That's it can be
three units or it's one mega

1867
01:51:12,900 --> 01:51:16,320
unit. That probably be a mega
unit. Now it was a it was well

1868
01:51:16,320 --> 01:51:20,070
done. It was let's just play it.
That's it. So this is good.

1869
01:51:20,130 --> 01:51:24,270
It says I'm sorry. I'm just
gonna mention this is bullcrap

1870
01:51:24,360 --> 01:51:27,570
is messaging, it's pre Christmas
pro Christmas is probed.

1871
01:51:27,720 --> 01:51:30,840
Generosity is a lot of stuff,
but it's an advertisement for

1872
01:51:30,840 --> 01:51:31,890
Toys R Us

1873
01:51:32,040 --> 01:51:35,580
Yankee went to Toys R Us to put
some of the toys Briana wanted

1874
01:51:35,700 --> 01:51:41,010
on layaway. She put $20 down,
but the total was more than 200

1875
01:51:41,040 --> 01:51:45,150
Oh my gosh. How am I gonna pay
for it and then all sudden this

1876
01:51:45,150 --> 01:51:48,690
happen? What happened was a
phone call from Toys R Us today.

1877
01:51:48,870 --> 01:51:54,510
Hi, this is Veronica Winchester.
Just to let you know we have an

1878
01:51:54,510 --> 01:52:00,180
anonymous guest. Come in and pay
off your layaway. When you're

1879
01:52:00,180 --> 01:52:05,220
ready, we actually have your
layaway ready for pickup. Thank

1880
01:52:05,220 --> 01:52:05,370
you.

1881
01:52:06,240 --> 01:52:09,660
I just said thank you God. Thank
you God. That's what I said.

1882
01:52:09,750 --> 01:52:12,930
Yong ki picked up the toys. This
is all things that were on her

1883
01:52:12,930 --> 01:52:16,590
list. The store told Bianca The
Secret Santa wishes to remain

1884
01:52:16,620 --> 01:52:20,610
anonymous. But the mother wanted
to show her gratitude. I just

1885
01:52:20,610 --> 01:52:24,210
want to say thank you so much
for making our Christmas the

1886
01:52:24,210 --> 01:52:28,200
best Christmas I've ever had.
Bianca hopes her story will help

1887
01:52:28,200 --> 01:52:32,700
others I was hoping that no
other families would give up

1888
01:52:33,090 --> 01:52:38,310
that to believe and have faith
that a miracle can happen.

1889
01:52:39,780 --> 01:52:43,500
Secret Santa's paid off Bianca
is a cow just in time we're told

1890
01:52:43,530 --> 01:52:46,620
all airways here will be
canceled if not picked up by

1891
01:52:46,620 --> 01:52:51,660
tonight. Now people paying off
layaway accounts anonymously is

1892
01:52:51,660 --> 01:52:55,440
a trend around the country on
Wednesday a woman walked into a

1893
01:52:55,440 --> 01:53:00,330
store in Massachusetts spent
$20,000 and paid off every

1894
01:53:00,330 --> 01:53:04,380
single account there Julie
making wishes and dreams come

1895
01:53:04,380 --> 01:53:06,360
true for the holidays Amber
thank you

1896
01:53:06,480 --> 01:53:10,830
yeah that's where I heard the
20,000 I thought that the the

1897
01:53:10,830 --> 01:53:14,880
lady the store that she went to
had been the 20,000 pay off but

1898
01:53:14,880 --> 01:53:16,440
it probably didn't even have
that was just that was just a

1899
01:53:16,440 --> 01:53:17,070
store if

1900
01:53:17,070 --> 01:53:20,820
I was none of this this is just
to get more people to Toys R Us

1901
01:53:20,880 --> 01:53:24,870
lay away and then maybe some
some good personal Kumbaya. Hey,

1902
01:53:25,500 --> 01:53:30,090
it was all crap. It was great.
This was very good.

1903
01:53:30,180 --> 01:53:33,600
Everyone was eating it up
Excellent. lapping it up. And

1904
01:53:33,600 --> 01:53:33,720
you

1905
01:53:33,720 --> 01:53:37,350
know what happens is they send
this to a number of affiliates

1906
01:53:37,350 --> 01:53:43,020
or stations and as a as a
package. But everyone jumps on

1907
01:53:43,020 --> 01:53:45,510
board and it goes kind of viral.
You don't have to pay for all

1908
01:53:45,510 --> 01:53:46,530
that extra stuff.

1909
01:53:48,270 --> 01:53:51,870
I know it's really really really
good genius, I think is one of

1910
01:53:51,870 --> 01:53:54,270
the finest things I've heard for
a while in terms of has been

1911
01:53:54,270 --> 01:53:57,540
Toys R Us account and I don't
know if they paid for the 1.5

1912
01:53:57,540 --> 01:54:00,120
minutes. Or if they that's what

1913
01:54:00,120 --> 01:54:04,770
I'm saying. It's just a giveaway
of a promotion. Who has the Toys

1914
01:54:04,770 --> 01:54:06,570
R Us account let's take a look
for a second here.

1915
01:54:06,630 --> 01:54:08,700
I don't know if we can find it
but if it was Adelman it

1916
01:54:08,700 --> 01:54:11,490
wouldn't surprise me they're
like really deep into this stuff

1917
01:54:11,490 --> 01:54:11,760
so

1918
01:54:11,790 --> 01:54:15,270
Toys R Us and it just stations

1919
01:54:15,270 --> 01:54:17,490
didn't get paid for this they
should have been paid for it

1920
01:54:17,490 --> 01:54:18,450
they're idiots

1921
01:54:20,100 --> 01:54:24,660
Well, yeah, I think a lot of
them are idiots. But yeah, the

1922
01:54:24,840 --> 01:54:27,570
the ones who are really all in I
think are the ones that send

1923
01:54:27,570 --> 01:54:31,650
people to go stand in front of
the in front of the Toys R Us

1924
01:54:31,650 --> 01:54:39,150
I'm sending a tech crew out to
do this then yeah huh I can't

1925
01:54:39,150 --> 01:54:40,590
find it. This is difficult.

1926
01:54:41,220 --> 01:54:45,210
Well, I You gotta go to their
homepage. Here's the let's see

1927
01:54:45,210 --> 01:54:47,700
who's here. I've got the press
room I got to the press room.

1928
01:54:48,240 --> 01:54:50,430
But that's gonna give you the in
house guys.

1929
01:54:50,550 --> 01:54:52,980
And they could have multiple
they could have different

1930
01:54:52,980 --> 01:54:53,610
pieces. Some of them

1931
01:54:53,610 --> 01:54:55,950
have multiple Yeah, big
companies like this will have

1932
01:54:55,950 --> 01:54:59,970
multiple agencies Corporate
Communications press Toys R Us

1933
01:55:01,380 --> 01:55:04,200
Let's say you guys are hard to
spot sometimes.

1934
01:55:04,560 --> 01:55:07,560
But it was well done and I'm so
glad you had audio for that

1935
01:55:07,590 --> 01:55:10,470
because I saw this and when Dad
this is this is great everyone's

1936
01:55:10,470 --> 01:55:12,390
gonna go to Toys R Us because
yeah,

1937
01:55:13,200 --> 01:55:14,940
you might get everything for
free would

1938
01:55:14,940 --> 01:55:18,330
happen. Yeah, you could be just
as lucky as

1939
01:55:19,200 --> 01:55:21,900
the piece kind of full of falls
apart for me we're at the point

1940
01:55:21,900 --> 01:55:24,870
where they got the warning. And
by the way, if you don't pay off

1941
01:55:24,870 --> 01:55:29,730
by Thursday, we'll take their
stuff that that was a blunder.

1942
01:55:30,660 --> 01:55:34,170
I think that was actually just
poorly written copy

1943
01:55:34,620 --> 01:55:38,430
maybe or even agency genuine
threat they tried to slip in

1944
01:55:38,430 --> 01:55:38,880
could be

1945
01:55:38,880 --> 01:55:44,880
could be I don't. Advertising,
you have to do you have to go to

1946
01:55:44,880 --> 01:55:48,510
like ad? Was it Ad Week or
something like that? Yeah,

1947
01:55:48,510 --> 01:55:48,990
you're gonna have

1948
01:55:49,500 --> 01:55:51,810
actually Ad Week and
advertising, which I think

1949
01:55:51,840 --> 01:55:55,710
doesn't do much anymore. But Ad
Week for sure. Because the

1950
01:55:55,710 --> 01:55:58,890
agencies that pull these off,
they go into those magazines and

1951
01:55:58,890 --> 01:56:03,750
they brag about it. Man, we had
a great promotion and we had we

1952
01:56:03,750 --> 01:56:05,010
had suckers coming in and

1953
01:56:06,240 --> 01:56:09,720
they do brag about it, right?
They brag endlessly about it.

1954
01:56:09,750 --> 01:56:11,310
Well, they'll give each other
awards.

1955
01:56:12,990 --> 01:56:19,320
That's true. You bet. You bet.
Toy news will never cover that

1956
01:56:19,320 --> 01:56:20,220
because it makes them look

1957
01:56:20,220 --> 01:56:24,450
like idiots Young and Rubicam.
But this is all old. It's I'm

1958
01:56:24,510 --> 01:56:29,160
Yeah, it's fine. It's got your
it's got to be a boutique agency

1959
01:56:29,160 --> 01:56:32,310
who was kicking ass with this.
This is what we should screw the

1960
01:56:32,310 --> 01:56:35,040
super PAC. This is what we
should be doing.

1961
01:56:35,100 --> 01:56:39,450
No, no, no, I don't want to do
that. I think this the lowest of

1962
01:56:39,450 --> 01:56:43,890
the low. Well, hello scamming
the public? What's a Super PAC

1963
01:56:43,890 --> 01:56:44,370
then?

1964
01:56:44,670 --> 01:56:46,620
No, it's super PAC does good.

1965
01:56:48,810 --> 01:56:51,330
In the chat room, they said hey,
when you have power you get you

1966
01:56:51,330 --> 01:56:54,540
know, it's an aphrodisiac. Yeah,
you get an automatic chick

1967
01:56:54,540 --> 01:56:57,810
magnet, Gene mate. Well,
meanwhile, the other real news

1968
01:56:57,810 --> 01:57:00,750
that is buzzing around no one in
Hollywood could talk about

1969
01:57:00,750 --> 01:57:01,650
anything else. But this in

1970
01:57:01,650 --> 01:57:04,740
the wake of the cyber attack the
Hollywood cyber attack damage

1971
01:57:04,740 --> 01:57:08,610
control every day facing new
revelations, like the email

1972
01:57:08,610 --> 01:57:11,700
exchange between Sony co
Chairman Amy Pascal, I love

1973
01:57:11,700 --> 01:57:13,230
movie producer Scott Rudin

1974
01:57:13,260 --> 01:57:14,760
can't get enough of this report.

1975
01:57:15,000 --> 01:57:16,620
This is actually highly
entertaining.

1976
01:57:16,650 --> 01:57:18,600
I love BuzzFeed. in it.

1977
01:57:18,840 --> 01:57:22,530
I love that BuzzFeed again,
Buzzfeed. These BuzzFeed is they

1978
01:57:22,530 --> 01:57:25,440
are very good at doing this
stuff really tinge

1979
01:57:25,440 --> 01:57:30,030
speculation about President
Obama's taste in movies. Today

1980
01:57:30,030 --> 01:57:34,020
me Pascal issued an apology,
saying in part, the content of

1981
01:57:34,020 --> 01:57:36,990
my emails to Scott were
insensitive and inappropriate,

1982
01:57:37,140 --> 01:57:39,990
but are not an accurate
reflection of who I am.

1983
01:57:40,020 --> 01:57:44,610
I love this. The views held and
representative in the no agenda

1984
01:57:44,610 --> 01:57:47,910
show are not necessarily
representative of who I am.

1985
01:57:48,630 --> 01:57:50,760
Except for what I wrote in
email,

1986
01:57:51,210 --> 01:57:55,020
rude and apologized as well.
private emails written in haste

1987
01:57:55,140 --> 01:57:58,830
can result in offense where none
was intended. Oh, deeply sorry.

1988
01:57:58,860 --> 01:58:05,580
I'm deeply sorry. No one says
racist cocksuckers and racist

1989
01:58:05,610 --> 01:58:06,870
about the president.

1990
01:58:07,260 --> 01:58:10,980
It's Hollywood and that the
irony is, of course, Holly was

1991
01:58:10,980 --> 01:58:13,170
all in on the Democrats and the
president. I think

1992
01:58:13,170 --> 01:58:16,950
both of them are big donors to
the Democratic Party. Yeah. And

1993
01:58:16,950 --> 01:58:20,040
they just made a racially
insensitive, though it is

1994
01:58:20,640 --> 01:58:24,360
insensitive jokes. It's crazy
how they're being protected in

1995
01:58:24,360 --> 01:58:27,570
this. This should have been a
Republican or someone from the

1996
01:58:27,570 --> 01:58:30,480
south or someone from Texas. Now
then,

1997
01:58:30,480 --> 01:58:33,360
yeah, some somebody takes tar
and feathered

1998
01:58:33,360 --> 01:58:37,380
and hung up. But oh, no, this
your shows we need to what are

1999
01:58:37,380 --> 01:58:40,590
they calling it to? We need more
diversification? The what's the

2000
01:58:40,590 --> 01:58:45,030
word? What's the word? Yeah, we
need more. We need to diversify

2001
01:58:45,030 --> 01:58:45,810
Hollywood.

2002
01:58:48,360 --> 01:58:52,260
Good luck. That's it. I really
needs it. Anyway, let Hollywood

2003
01:58:52,260 --> 01:58:58,350
be what it is. It's funnier. We
had that like they have the

2004
01:58:58,350 --> 01:59:00,780
salaries in there. They got all
kinds of good stuff coming out

2005
01:59:00,780 --> 01:59:01,080
tons

2006
01:59:01,080 --> 01:59:01,830
of good stuff.

2007
01:59:02,219 --> 01:59:06,149
I think this should be done more
often. I I admire the guys who

2008
01:59:06,149 --> 01:59:09,659
crack Sony and said public put a
whole thing out there as public

2009
01:59:09,659 --> 01:59:13,949
domain. I think the rise the
curtain have raised the veil of

2010
01:59:13,949 --> 01:59:15,749
secrecy on all companies.

2011
01:59:16,950 --> 01:59:19,380
And they're trying to bring it
back to if there was a horrible

2012
01:59:19,380 --> 01:59:22,020
crime perpetrated on our
company. This is what we should

2013
01:59:22,020 --> 01:59:26,400
be talking about. No, no, this
is really good. What's going on

2014
01:59:26,400 --> 01:59:30,420
here? This is really really
good. This is Sony being taken

2015
01:59:30,420 --> 01:59:38,610
down by someone who I don't know
competitor could be anybody. But

2016
01:59:38,610 --> 01:59:40,980
who? Well, it's not North Korea.

2017
01:59:41,610 --> 01:59:45,090
No, that's definitely not North
Korea. What's the point?

2018
01:59:45,330 --> 01:59:47,670
I'd be looking at? I look

2019
01:59:47,670 --> 01:59:50,550
at Microsoft. They're the ones
with the big against the Xbox

2020
01:59:50,550 --> 01:59:54,960
and PlayStation interesting.
Could be one of the other movie

2021
01:59:54,960 --> 01:59:55,800
companies. Well, that's

2022
01:59:55,800 --> 01:59:58,170
what I was thinking that would
be the way to go because they

2023
01:59:58,170 --> 02:00:01,590
went after the movie database
board and anything else? They

2024
02:00:01,590 --> 02:00:04,530
already hacked away at their
game site? That would have been

2025
02:00:04,530 --> 02:00:06,510
like a number of years back.
Right.

2026
02:00:06,810 --> 02:00:09,870
And that was probably Sony's
crisis management who went to

2027
02:00:09,900 --> 02:00:12,690
blame it on North Korea. Do
something. Yeah, I

2028
02:00:12,690 --> 02:00:13,620
think that was a blunder.

2029
02:00:14,010 --> 02:00:17,100
I think it was. All it did is
well, it does promote the Seth

2030
02:00:17,100 --> 02:00:19,680
Rogen movie, but that's not
really going to help when you

2031
02:00:19,680 --> 02:00:22,590
get the executives talking like
that.

2032
02:00:23,340 --> 02:00:25,020
No, it could have been China.

2033
02:00:26,280 --> 02:00:28,500
Well, yeah, China. Yeah, that's
possible.

2034
02:00:29,130 --> 02:00:32,550
I mean, China train even no
China. studio space, they have a

2035
02:00:32,550 --> 02:00:36,900
bunch of about $3 billion. And
some studios and I think north

2036
02:00:36,900 --> 02:00:39,300
of Beijing or south of Beijing,
a bunch of studios.

2037
02:00:39,690 --> 02:00:42,420
They opened it up and everyone
went there and yeah, a bunch you

2038
02:00:42,420 --> 02:00:43,020
guys

2039
02:00:43,440 --> 02:00:45,450
filming there even though the
Chinese government has

2040
02:00:45,480 --> 02:00:50,220
oversight, which is not a good
idea for anything artistic? And

2041
02:00:50,820 --> 02:00:52,500
I don't know. Maybe Sony? I
don't know.

2042
02:00:52,620 --> 02:00:55,950
Well, it's definitely PR for
Rory on this PR for the Rogen

2043
02:00:55,950 --> 02:00:59,310
movie for sure. And all the
other stuff is just ran PRs

2044
02:00:59,310 --> 02:01:03,090
not even good PR. Because all
they do is show clips of the

2045
02:01:03,090 --> 02:01:05,190
rogue everyone you see clips of
that movie. Do you want to

2046
02:01:05,190 --> 02:01:06,720
actually want to go see the
movie?

2047
02:01:07,380 --> 02:01:12,480
Oh, is stupid. I I think enough
people be heard that looks cool.

2048
02:01:12,480 --> 02:01:15,000
Man. You hear that was better
than it was good. Well, it's

2049
02:01:15,000 --> 02:01:16,200
Christmas Day opening.

2050
02:01:16,830 --> 02:01:20,310
It'll work? No, it won't. I
think it's gonna be a flop.

2051
02:01:21,059 --> 02:01:26,879
I had drinks. Thursday night
after our show, which I don't

2052
02:01:26,879 --> 02:01:29,789
typically do. As you know, I'm
pretty much like, I'm done. I

2053
02:01:29,789 --> 02:01:31,829
gotta rest. It's like running a
marathon.

2054
02:01:33,900 --> 02:01:34,920
Man, I pooped.

2055
02:01:36,120 --> 02:01:42,810
I had drinks with my ex, big
time banker from New York. You

2056
02:01:42,810 --> 02:01:45,600
remember, this is the guy who I
asked about some of the suicides

2057
02:01:45,600 --> 02:01:46,980
and he knew some of the guys and

2058
02:01:47,010 --> 02:01:49,320
yes, you brought him up a couple
of shows ago, right?

2059
02:01:50,340 --> 02:01:56,190
And I, I got two drinks in him.
And I said, Wow, man, what do

2060
02:01:56,190 --> 02:02:00,390
you think about this? This
derivatives and FDIC thing this

2061
02:02:00,390 --> 02:02:03,750
is the turning back of Dodd
Frank with this is this is

2062
02:02:03,750 --> 02:02:09,960
really, this is something and he
said, This is the best thing

2063
02:02:09,960 --> 02:02:16,560
that could ever happen to
America. Right, exactly,

2064
02:02:16,890 --> 02:02:22,560
exactly. An ex banker. I said,
Well, why don't you explain?

2065
02:02:22,800 --> 02:02:27,630
Explain, please, he says, This
is the last thing that we need

2066
02:02:27,630 --> 02:02:34,470
to do to completely destroy
Barclays society in general. And

2067
02:02:34,470 --> 02:02:39,600
UBS. He says this, when if this
goes through, which I guess it's

2068
02:02:39,600 --> 02:02:42,330
now gone through, the President
will have to sign it. And the

2069
02:02:42,330 --> 02:02:45,720
President said that he wasn't a
fan of it, but he was going to

2070
02:02:45,720 --> 02:02:49,710
put it in there. Because this
puts us a this is so good for

2071
02:02:49,710 --> 02:02:52,950
the United States economy, if
this is going to make our

2072
02:02:52,950 --> 02:02:59,850
banking industry rule the world.
And he tried to explain to me

2073
02:02:59,850 --> 02:03:02,760
the all the ins and outs of how
it worked with the swaps. And he

2074
02:03:02,760 --> 02:03:06,450
says really, when the next
crisis could not if he's when

2075
02:03:06,450 --> 02:03:10,380
the next crisis is coming up.
Which means you know, the guy's

2076
02:03:10,380 --> 02:03:13,590
being real with me. When the
next crisis come, he says just

2077
02:03:13,590 --> 02:03:18,570
so you know, the IMF is a joke,
they have no power. You keep

2078
02:03:18,570 --> 02:03:21,780
saying this, you really have to
get off this IMF thing. It Fifi

2079
02:03:21,780 --> 02:03:25,980
Lagarde is worthless. It's just
it's a distraction to what the

2080
02:03:25,980 --> 02:03:30,090
US banks in particular Bank of
America and Citibank, the power

2081
02:03:30,090 --> 02:03:34,380
they will have with these
derivatives being able to be

2082
02:03:34,380 --> 02:03:39,150
kept in separate entities. So
that if the if something

2083
02:03:39,150 --> 02:03:41,970
collapses, then they will have
to be bailed in, bailed out

2084
02:03:41,970 --> 02:03:45,960
wherever you want to call it. He
says when it goes down, the

2085
02:03:45,960 --> 02:03:50,130
system will be stable. But yes,
one bank will be completely

2086
02:03:50,130 --> 02:03:53,670
wiped out. And that's whoever
is, you know, odd man out in the

2087
02:03:53,670 --> 02:03:57,870
musical chairs at the time. He
says this is going to be so good

2088
02:03:57,870 --> 02:04:02,430
for us. And I thought it was
refreshing to hear that.

2089
02:04:03,420 --> 02:04:06,270
Well, I've always been on the
edge. As you know, I've always

2090
02:04:06,450 --> 02:04:10,050
been under the impression in of
the opinion

2091
02:04:10,170 --> 02:04:12,810
that we should be pumping 100
times more money into the

2092
02:04:12,810 --> 02:04:14,490
economy right now that yes,

2093
02:04:14,490 --> 02:04:17,520
that's one of the points I
continually make over and over.

2094
02:04:17,520 --> 02:04:20,760
But the other one is, somehow in
these in these financial games,

2095
02:04:20,760 --> 02:04:25,980
we always win. Somehow we always
win. I mean, that's what we only

2096
02:04:25,980 --> 02:04:29,160
do do of all the countries in
the world. We're the only ones

2097
02:04:29,160 --> 02:04:32,370
that think talk business. That's
all we do. And now some military

2098
02:04:32,370 --> 02:04:35,280
stuff, as Eric was pointing out
the other day was saying, How

2099
02:04:35,280 --> 02:04:38,550
would you know we're talking
about the Warthog getting

2100
02:04:38,550 --> 02:04:42,870
refunded? Yes. What other
country would citizens just

2101
02:04:42,870 --> 02:04:46,740
rolling around just aimless,
everyday citizens even know what

2102
02:04:46,740 --> 02:04:49,920
the Warthog was? We all know
what it is

2103
02:04:49,950 --> 02:04:54,120
everybody. Yeah, because that's
what we do is the complete loss

2104
02:04:54,120 --> 02:04:57,150
slaves that are doing nothing
more than watching Honey Boo

2105
02:04:57,150 --> 02:04:57,510
Boos

2106
02:04:58,920 --> 02:05:01,380
and that was canceled. are ready
and

2107
02:05:01,380 --> 02:05:04,500
they're clued in know about the
Warthog, you know of all this

2108
02:05:04,500 --> 02:05:07,560
stuff. And it seems to me that
we always win these these

2109
02:05:07,560 --> 02:05:10,620
battles. Now a guy forgot a
couple of things we have to

2110
02:05:10,620 --> 02:05:15,570
release discuss this. This is
the clip here is India and

2111
02:05:15,570 --> 02:05:19,170
Russia. Russia, of course is
it's still somewhat baffling to

2112
02:05:19,170 --> 02:05:25,140
me why we've just taken such a
dislike to Russia is Putin. I

2113
02:05:25,140 --> 02:05:29,730
mean, there's a lot of people
that hate him. Really him and

2114
02:05:29,730 --> 02:05:33,150
try, but that this none of it
seems to be working. So they

2115
02:05:33,210 --> 02:05:36,180
Russia has been I think this has
always been a mistake. I don't

2116
02:05:36,180 --> 02:05:39,270
see any reason why we can
continually do business with

2117
02:05:39,270 --> 02:05:42,660
Russia. And we're the bad guys
in the Ukraine situation. We

2118
02:05:42,660 --> 02:05:45,360
do continue to do business with
Russia, but just on our terms,

2119
02:05:45,360 --> 02:05:47,910
which is yeah, a lot of their 90
Day financing,

2120
02:05:47,940 --> 02:05:49,920
but they don't like the
sanctions and the rest of it. So

2121
02:05:49,920 --> 02:05:52,980
you know the deal with the
replay the Indian Russia clip so

2122
02:05:52,980 --> 02:05:55,950
we can catch up to what the
Russians have been up to

2123
02:05:56,130 --> 02:05:59,370
India and Russia agreed to
significantly boost energy

2124
02:05:59,370 --> 02:06:03,240
cooperation this week. During
Vladimir Putin's visit to Delhi,

2125
02:06:03,450 --> 02:06:06,510
the sides signed a number of
ambitious agreements worth about

2126
02:06:06,510 --> 02:06:10,710
$100 billion. First of all,
Russia has agreed to supply

2127
02:06:10,710 --> 02:06:15,900
India with 1 million tonnes of
oil annually. By 2017, India

2128
02:06:15,900 --> 02:06:20,190
will start receiving 2.5 million
tons of LNG liquefied gas per

2129
02:06:20,190 --> 02:06:23,940
year. However, it's India's
atomic sector that will get the

2130
02:06:23,940 --> 02:06:28,020
most impressive boost as Russia
will build up to 24 nuclear

2131
02:06:28,020 --> 02:06:31,410
power stations in the country.
On top of that, the Indian Prime

2132
02:06:31,410 --> 02:06:34,170
Minister reiterated that Russia
remains its most important

2133
02:06:34,170 --> 02:06:38,400
partner in the defense sphere.
However, the Dean of India's

2134
02:06:38,400 --> 02:06:41,670
jindao School of International
Affairs believes it's high time

2135
02:06:41,670 --> 02:06:45,270
for the countries to diversify
their cooperation further.

2136
02:06:46,560 --> 02:06:48,900
They're doing the same in
Turkey, Russia is also going to

2137
02:06:48,900 --> 02:06:50,490
build well the reactor in
Turkey,

2138
02:06:50,610 --> 02:06:53,880
right? If you play RT analysis
on Russia sanctions, you get

2139
02:06:53,880 --> 02:06:54,600
that part of it

2140
02:06:55,080 --> 02:06:59,130
crushes isolated, that's the
message Western politicians and

2141
02:06:59,130 --> 02:07:03,300
media are sending. But I'm not
so sure. Today, for instance,

2142
02:07:03,300 --> 02:07:07,290
they clinched a huge atomic deal
with India to build 12 nuclear

2143
02:07:07,290 --> 02:07:10,740
reactors in 20 years plus,
Russia will be shipping oil to

2144
02:07:10,740 --> 02:07:14,250
India. That's not enough to
prove Russia has friends I know.

2145
02:07:14,430 --> 02:07:17,970
But what about Turkey, Moscow
and Ankara agreed to build a

2146
02:07:17,970 --> 02:07:21,000
major pipeline connecting both
countries as an alternative to

2147
02:07:21,000 --> 02:07:25,320
South Stream plus deliveries via
already existing blue stream

2148
02:07:25,320 --> 02:07:29,160
pipeline are going to be
expanded. And let's not forget

2149
02:07:29,190 --> 02:07:34,920
about China $400 billion gas
deal by the bear and Dragon was

2150
02:07:34,920 --> 02:07:39,420
sealed back in May. The deal was
boosted just a couple of weeks

2151
02:07:39,420 --> 02:07:39,690
ago.

2152
02:07:40,320 --> 02:07:46,200
Right. Which is why I always say
I think the United States elites

2153
02:07:46,200 --> 02:07:49,440
and Putin are playing on the
same team and they're all

2154
02:07:49,440 --> 02:07:53,580
invested in in this is the way
to China and India and whatever

2155
02:07:53,580 --> 02:07:55,800
it's it could be it almost seems
that's

2156
02:07:55,800 --> 02:08:00,090
not a possibility. Yeah. But
this Ukraine thing is completely

2157
02:08:00,090 --> 02:08:04,140
out of control. I in terms of
the politics of it, they have

2158
02:08:04,140 --> 02:08:08,040
this thing going on now called
lustration. And this isn't

2159
02:08:08,040 --> 02:08:11,400
reported at all in American
media that I can spot but

2160
02:08:11,400 --> 02:08:15,210
lustration is the effect here
play the illustration clip.

2161
02:08:15,210 --> 02:08:16,890
Number one, just illustration.
No,

2162
02:08:16,890 --> 02:08:21,840
the EU has branded as very bad a
new law in Ukraine that bans

2163
02:08:21,840 --> 02:08:25,890
former officials from power.
European constitutional experts

2164
02:08:25,890 --> 02:08:28,710
said it shouldn't become a tool
of revenge over political

2165
02:08:28,710 --> 02:08:32,700
opponents. Ukraine now has three
months to review it. Here's what

2166
02:08:32,700 --> 02:08:33,360
SDF

2167
02:08:34,500 --> 02:08:39,840
lustration noun a policy of
cleansing a new regime from the

2168
02:08:39,840 --> 02:08:44,550
remnants of the past and Ukraine
has taken to it with abandon.

2169
02:08:53,160 --> 02:08:58,290
September he have adopted a new
law which declares Open Season

2170
02:08:58,290 --> 02:09:02,730
former officials, police elected
representatives and even

2171
02:09:02,730 --> 02:09:07,440
clerics, it reportedly bans more
than a million Ukrainians from

2172
02:09:07,470 --> 02:09:09,120
ever holding a government job.

2173
02:09:09,810 --> 02:09:12,240
However, if you're an American
and you've been running a hedge

2174
02:09:12,240 --> 02:09:16,080
fund for USA, ID, passport, you
can be the finance minister.

2175
02:09:16,380 --> 02:09:19,260
Bingo Boom shakalaka so that's
great.

2176
02:09:19,290 --> 02:09:22,710
They showed in this clip they
showed like some poor guy who

2177
02:09:22,710 --> 02:09:25,110
happened to be in the old
government. He was talking to

2178
02:09:25,110 --> 02:09:28,650
some news report and a whole
bunch of gang thugs grabbed him

2179
02:09:28,950 --> 02:09:31,320
and started beating him up and
they threw him in they throw all

2180
02:09:31,320 --> 02:09:33,120
these guys in a trash dump unit

2181
02:09:33,120 --> 02:09:35,280
Yeah, you never see that I saw
the pictures that was a while

2182
02:09:35,280 --> 02:09:38,970
ago but you never see that and
on the media here barely

2183
02:09:39,210 --> 02:09:43,800
funny. trash dump and they've
been like a dumpster and then

2184
02:09:43,800 --> 02:09:48,600
they close the lid and pound on
the thing and then they throw it

2185
02:09:48,600 --> 02:09:53,280
or kids set the thing on fire. I
don't know if things burning I

2186
02:09:53,280 --> 02:09:55,860
think I'm pretty sure
illustration to this is all

2187
02:09:55,860 --> 02:09:57,780
going on right as we speak,
leaving them

2188
02:09:57,780 --> 02:10:00,360
pray. The mobs and vigils
answers

2189
02:10:06,990 --> 02:10:10,560
the street violence is scared
even Kyiv, the interior

2190
02:10:10,560 --> 02:10:13,800
minister, urging people to
restrain themselves

2191
02:10:13,980 --> 02:10:17,280
a few more lynchings and broken
faces. And I fear Europe and

2192
02:10:17,280 --> 02:10:21,390
America will turn away from us
don't behave like savages,

2193
02:10:21,510 --> 02:10:23,430
Ukraine as a European country.

2194
02:10:23,730 --> 02:10:24,660
No, it's not he was

2195
02:10:24,660 --> 02:10:29,700
right to be worried. Alarm bells
are ringing in Europe, reached

2196
02:10:29,700 --> 02:10:33,210
all the way up to the European
Commission for democracy law,

2197
02:10:33,540 --> 02:10:37,260
which is issued a scathing
condemnation, according to a

2198
02:10:37,560 --> 02:10:41,850
transcript that says lustration
may only be practiced if guilt

2199
02:10:41,880 --> 02:10:43,800
is established individually.

2200
02:10:44,010 --> 02:10:49,110
Wow. How can we screwed this one
up? Even this is one thing

2201
02:10:49,440 --> 02:10:53,850
we didn't there's this lack of
realization that Ukrainians are

2202
02:10:53,850 --> 02:10:56,460
crazy. There are a lot of Nazis
there were the ones on the

2203
02:10:56,550 --> 02:11:00,060
German side and World War Two.
Well, it's a corrupt country,

2204
02:11:00,090 --> 02:11:00,330
right?

2205
02:11:01,050 --> 02:11:04,320
Yes, in some of our State
Department, representatives,

2206
02:11:04,440 --> 02:11:11,550
colluded with the crazies. That
I think naively Yeah, maybe, but

2207
02:11:11,550 --> 02:11:12,720
don't I stupid.

2208
02:11:12,960 --> 02:11:16,050
So I did. And this is crazy.
What's going on? Did you notice

2209
02:11:16,050 --> 02:11:18,630
the note lynchings they're
hanging these

2210
02:11:18,720 --> 02:11:24,690
guys. So the part of this or a
large portion is the money that

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02:11:24,690 --> 02:11:29,310
is this country is about to go
seriously, seriously broke. They

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02:11:29,310 --> 02:11:32,100
can't pay back anything. They
can't pay back the IMF there's

2213
02:11:32,100 --> 02:11:37,890
no way for them to pay. Gazprom
the whole thing is collapsing.

2214
02:11:38,130 --> 02:11:41,190
and the EU says oh, yeah, well,
who can we get? I guess the

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02:11:41,190 --> 02:11:45,000
United States gave them Ukraine
a billion dollars a note or

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02:11:45,000 --> 02:11:49,500
whatever it was, which I'm sure
went straight to Gazprom. There

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02:11:49,500 --> 02:11:52,440
isn't there's nothing there's no
money this this place is in a

2218
02:11:52,440 --> 02:11:57,720
complete and utter meltdown. The
end? I think we I'll just say we

2219
02:11:57,720 --> 02:12:02,880
the elitist of the State
Department, Kerry and Nuland and

2220
02:12:02,970 --> 02:12:06,300
the Kagan's they're walking away
from it. They don't care

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02:12:06,300 --> 02:12:10,770
anymore. Now it's It's turkey.
Screw that. And by the way, did

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02:12:10,770 --> 02:12:17,910
you hear what happened just last
night? No. Erawan shut down.

2223
02:12:17,940 --> 02:12:23,940
He's shutting down any press.
That is that he doesn't like

2224
02:12:24,090 --> 02:12:27,360
let's put it that way. Anything
that he feels is related to

2225
02:12:27,360 --> 02:12:32,730
Gulin for tele Gulin our our CIA
guy who's living in exile, and

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02:12:32,730 --> 02:12:35,100
they're arresting journalists,
and they're shutting down the

2227
02:12:35,100 --> 02:12:38,790
television stations and this is
a preemptive strike we've had

2228
02:12:38,790 --> 02:12:41,820
we've had things happen before
but now he's he's just going in

2229
02:12:41,820 --> 02:12:44,520
and arresting the news people.

2230
02:12:46,230 --> 02:12:49,620
We will the Ukrainians are too
and yeah, I went I switched to

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02:12:49,650 --> 02:12:54,000
France 24 to get some balances
of everything on RT and play

2232
02:12:54,000 --> 02:12:56,760
this clip. This is Ukraine
censorship. And this guy is on

2233
02:12:56,760 --> 02:13:00,270
the there's a show called that
we have one station is off

2234
02:13:00,330 --> 02:13:03,630
France van cat. And this one
thing called the debate and it

2235
02:13:03,630 --> 02:13:06,060
has what they want guys getting
grilled. And it's pretty good

2236
02:13:06,060 --> 02:13:08,910
level of grilling that you won't
hear in the United States, but

2237
02:13:08,910 --> 02:13:12,300
play Ukraine censorship story
machine by Russia.

2238
02:13:12,420 --> 02:13:16,830
So they have to counter this
influence on the counter. Have

2239
02:13:17,219 --> 02:13:19,619
we talked about this on
Thursday, by the way? Yeah,

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02:13:19,650 --> 02:13:23,940
we did. This is a good clip,
though. This is the ambassador

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02:13:24,120 --> 02:13:25,740
from the Ukraine to France

2242
02:13:25,799 --> 02:13:31,019
machine by Russia. So we have to
counter this influence within

2243
02:13:31,019 --> 02:13:34,739
the country, of course, in the
east of the country. But also in

2244
02:13:34,739 --> 02:13:39,149
the West, we have to project the
truth. Our view about the why

2245
02:13:39,150 --> 02:13:41,730
don't you trust a friend and
journalist to tell the truth?

2246
02:13:41,730 --> 02:13:45,270
Why do you need a so called
Ministry of Truth to check

2247
02:13:45,300 --> 02:13:48,630
whether what is being brought is
indeed true trust

2248
02:13:48,630 --> 02:13:51,720
Ukrainian journalists, many of
them are professional, but

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02:13:51,750 --> 02:13:57,840
definitely the effort to project
our view of the situation on the

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02:13:57,840 --> 02:14:03,150
ground is to be beefed up
supported by the government's

2251
02:14:03,150 --> 02:14:08,040
resources. It's not a matter of
control. It's the matter of

2252
02:14:08,070 --> 02:14:14,640
making this message more
efficient. Making sure that it

2253
02:14:14,640 --> 02:14:19,890
reaches the ears and the eyes of
Ukrainians and people in the

2254
02:14:19,890 --> 02:14:22,890
West. I'd like to ask you

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02:14:22,919 --> 02:14:27,359
what do you even say? Well, we
have to make sure it's a good

2256
02:14:27,359 --> 02:14:28,019
message

2257
02:14:28,560 --> 02:14:30,360
Yeah, well of course

2258
02:14:30,839 --> 02:14:33,659
and last one this last clip by
the way, which is this is the

2259
02:14:33,689 --> 02:14:37,799
same guy I believe and this is
the thing that I think has got

2260
02:14:37,799 --> 02:14:42,929
everyone worried this is the
NATO the intentions that the

2261
02:14:42,959 --> 02:14:47,669
these get new these I don't know
what to call them Nazis that

2262
02:14:47,669 --> 02:14:50,999
took over Ukraine thanks to us.
I think they're living in a

2263
02:14:50,999 --> 02:14:53,519
complete dream world because
there's this is never going to

2264
02:14:53,519 --> 02:14:57,059
happen this NATO joining NATO,
but they think it is and this is

2265
02:14:57,059 --> 02:14:58,409
the NATO Ukraine clipped

2266
02:14:58,740 --> 02:15:02,700
one last word on NATO, the
President of Ukraine recently

2267
02:15:02,700 --> 02:15:05,370
declared that he wants his
country to join the Alliance by

2268
02:15:05,370 --> 02:15:08,400
the end of the decade. He says
there will be a referendum. Of

2269
02:15:08,400 --> 02:15:12,000
course, now, you know that
Germany is against the idea

2270
02:15:12,000 --> 02:15:15,840
France is against the ID, and
this is an absolute red line for

2271
02:15:15,840 --> 02:15:18,720
Moscow. aren't you shooting
yourself in the foot when you're

2272
02:15:18,720 --> 02:15:20,250
making such declarations? Not

2273
02:15:20,250 --> 02:15:23,040
at all, it's easy for me to talk
because there have been

2274
02:15:23,040 --> 02:15:27,960
consistently brought need to
sort of person, I think that

2275
02:15:27,990 --> 02:15:31,740
need to is, was all
deficiencies, difficulties

2276
02:15:33,030 --> 02:15:37,230
confronted by the Alliance is
the best collective security

2277
02:15:37,230 --> 02:15:41,520
organization in the world, and
the only one which can guarantee

2278
02:15:41,580 --> 02:15:45,780
Ukraine's territorial integrity
and real sovereignty. At the

2279
02:15:45,780 --> 02:15:50,460
same time, when people speak
about irritating Russia

2280
02:15:50,460 --> 02:15:55,710
irritating the bear. They
actually do they quite often now

2281
02:15:55,710 --> 02:15:59,250
forget, this situation cannot be
worse than now.

2282
02:16:00,240 --> 02:16:03,420
Okay, I want to lay a couple
more pieces on the table. And

2283
02:16:03,420 --> 02:16:07,140
I'm gonna ask you a question
about this. So Ukraine is is

2284
02:16:07,140 --> 02:16:12,630
clearly a setup for a
battleground, I think that it

2285
02:16:12,630 --> 02:16:17,010
would be a good place to do it.
No one cares. I hate saying it

2286
02:16:17,010 --> 02:16:18,420
that way. But just Well, then,

2287
02:16:18,570 --> 02:16:22,410
I think that some of Europe
cares, because so much gas goes

2288
02:16:22,410 --> 02:16:23,460
through Ukraine from

2289
02:16:23,910 --> 02:16:26,910
Russia. So that's where we get
to the second piece, which is

2290
02:16:27,120 --> 02:16:30,750
Turkey. Now the thing about
Turkey, which is not really

2291
02:16:31,260 --> 02:16:36,600
discussed much is how they are
not participating in the so

2292
02:16:36,600 --> 02:16:41,520
called war against the
degradation of isI s ISIL is

2293
02:16:41,520 --> 02:16:44,730
whatever you want to call it. In
fact, quite the opposite. They

2294
02:16:44,730 --> 02:16:50,130
are flowing fighters through to
go into it because they hate the

2295
02:16:50,130 --> 02:16:53,220
curd, the PKK, which is also
part of what Syria has, that's

2296
02:16:53,250 --> 02:16:59,160
Syria has always been their
issue. This is a very fertile

2297
02:16:59,160 --> 02:17:03,240
ground for something really to
take place. And what I want to

2298
02:17:03,240 --> 02:17:08,430
ask you, is there a comparable
situation to what we're seeing

2299
02:17:08,430 --> 02:17:13,710
now, with Turkey, with, perhaps
with Ukraine, but certainly with

2300
02:17:13,710 --> 02:17:18,990
Russia and the EU and the US to
previous large scale

2301
02:17:19,020 --> 02:17:22,560
conflagration such as First and
Second World War? Is there

2302
02:17:22,560 --> 02:17:25,230
anything that comes close to it?
And what would the trigger

2303
02:17:25,230 --> 02:17:27,150
mechanism be that we should be
looking out for

2304
02:17:28,379 --> 02:17:33,779
a prince Ferdinand? guy like
that showing up in randomly

2305
02:17:33,779 --> 02:17:34,229
killed?

2306
02:17:36,120 --> 02:17:37,380
Really, that's all it would
take?

2307
02:17:38,160 --> 02:17:40,410
Place? Well, the way things are
going you don't know what it's

2308
02:17:40,410 --> 02:17:42,450
going to take me they've been
lynching guys they've been

2309
02:17:42,450 --> 02:17:46,290
killing people is a Ukrainian
situation is completely out of

2310
02:17:46,290 --> 02:17:48,300
control. We don't get any
reports of it in the United

2311
02:17:48,300 --> 02:17:51,810
States, even though we were the
ones behind it. Essentially,

2312
02:17:51,810 --> 02:17:55,620
it's and I said the word. I
don't Yeah, something could

2313
02:17:55,620 --> 02:17:59,490
trigger it. I don't know what.
But I think we're still in the

2314
02:17:59,490 --> 02:18:02,220
process of globalization. I
think we've pretty much

2315
02:18:02,250 --> 02:18:06,840
decimated Ukraine horrible. And
I think Turkey, we tried already

2316
02:18:06,840 --> 02:18:09,420
once and maybe I don't know, if
we can we're going to do there.

2317
02:18:09,810 --> 02:18:12,750
I don't know, I there's these
things when they happen. It's

2318
02:18:12,750 --> 02:18:15,600
like, ah, should have spotted
that. I think it's one of those

2319
02:18:15,600 --> 02:18:19,320
things that's so obfuscated by
all the crap going on. And you

2320
02:18:19,320 --> 02:18:24,120
know, the oil and the gas and
the phony sanctions and all the

2321
02:18:24,120 --> 02:18:26,880
rest of it. I don't know it
makes it I think it's, I think

2322
02:18:26,880 --> 02:18:29,730
it's a smokescreen, we probably
should be able to identify in

2323
02:18:29,730 --> 02:18:33,870
advance. Well, we, the two of us
should be able to identify this

2324
02:18:34,260 --> 02:18:36,150
trigger mechanism in advance.

2325
02:18:36,180 --> 02:18:39,630
Okay. I think the trigger
mechanism is assassination of

2326
02:18:39,630 --> 02:18:41,730
Erawan, which you said is
probably pretty much the only

2327
02:18:41,730 --> 02:18:45,720
thing left, that would trigger
something and depending on who

2328
02:18:45,720 --> 02:18:50,280
pops in, or do we have some kind
of military takeover? that would

2329
02:18:50,280 --> 02:18:51,750
that would be the one I think,

2330
02:18:53,160 --> 02:18:54,870
well, that would definitely
cause a problem.

2331
02:18:55,559 --> 02:18:56,579
Yeah, there's that.

2332
02:18:57,030 --> 02:19:00,330
I'm going to show my son moved
by Jonah to no agenda. Imagine

2333
02:19:00,330 --> 02:19:03,060
all the people who could do
that. Oh, yeah, that'd be fun.

2334
02:19:10,590 --> 02:19:13,140
By the way, I think that was
already in the Red Book. We're

2335
02:19:13,140 --> 02:19:15,480
just waiting. Ray may want to
thank a few people for helping

2336
02:19:15,480 --> 02:19:19,980
us on show 678 including Ray
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2338
02:19:24,720 --> 02:19:28,440
We're gonna do a Karma at the
end for people. I'm not going to

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02:19:28,440 --> 02:19:33,210
do a weird lipsmack later just
did it. Why would anybody have

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been Thomas's Smyrna, Georgia
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2343
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2344
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different news on different news
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2345
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up the good work. Thomas need
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note. Of course, I can't find it
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2353
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Oh, here it is. No, that's not
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2354
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here it is. Sorry. is actually
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That's like a podcaster

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little bit. That'll be show 679

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Of course we also have a lot of
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this quick little note from Ryan
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Because it's 12 plus 13 plus 14
We don't quite have a grand for

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us or anyone else but we
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that. Thank you. Appreciate
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lot to take care of. We've got
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today. This is great when it
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Yes

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So, you got our birthday list
here. Let me just roll it out

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for you sir Chris spears. He'll
be celebrating. We celebrated

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yesterday Happy birthday to him
Jack Schroeder says Happy

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Birthday to his son Eric turns
16 today and Sir otaku way in

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advance. Congratulations to you
sir on December 31 from all your

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buddies here at the best podcast
in the universe. Okay, we have a

2419
02:25:37,590 --> 02:25:41,160
couple title changes Sir Don
Tommaso de Toronto becomes a

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Duke Today. This of course will
all be in the peerage map

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itm.im/peerage sorts, Norman
McDonough becomes Burnett

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McDonough That's it right
McDonough McDonnell McDonough

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02:25:53,670 --> 02:25:55,380
yeah McDonald McDonald's sir

2424
02:25:55,380 --> 02:25:58,500
Hank becomes Vikon of Queens,
New York along with all its

2425
02:25:58,500 --> 02:26:02,550
rights lands and privileges. And
Sir Alan Bo's becomes barren of

2426
02:26:02,550 --> 02:26:06,180
British Columbia. Thank you all
very much for your courage and

2427
02:26:06,180 --> 02:26:10,350
for supporting the work here
which we do with great pleasure.

2428
02:26:10,920 --> 02:26:15,900
Okay 1234 My goodness bring out
the big blade. Got mine today.

2429
02:26:18,270 --> 02:26:21,870
Alright, London Foley stepped
forward. Patrick, come on down

2430
02:26:21,870 --> 02:26:25,530
reach my sirloin with Stan
Salusbury all of you now become

2431
02:26:25,530 --> 02:26:27,750
knights of the Norwegian
roundtable and I'm happy to

2432
02:26:27,750 --> 02:26:33,900
pronounce the SIR London Sir
Patrick order of partner sir

2433
02:26:33,900 --> 02:26:36,960
reach Meyer divided by zero and
Sir Stan of Kings word for you

2434
02:26:36,960 --> 02:26:40,950
gentlemen, I have root beer and
pepperoni pizza. Because of low

2435
02:26:40,950 --> 02:26:44,880
rep was in Chardonnay, Deus Ex
and Dutch dominatrix porn stars

2436
02:26:44,880 --> 02:26:47,880
and pot bad science and perky
breasts we got hot pants and

2437
02:26:47,880 --> 02:26:51,210
booze bong hits and bourbon or
sparkling cider and escorts with

2438
02:26:51,240 --> 02:26:57,240
mutton and Mead please go to no
agenda nation.com/rings It's

2439
02:26:57,240 --> 02:27:00,540
possible that you may not get a
confirmation email immediately.

2440
02:27:01,590 --> 02:27:04,530
But I think Eric is working on
that and we did put the big

2441
02:27:04,530 --> 02:27:08,100
order in for for replenishing
all the different sizes. So once

2442
02:27:08,100 --> 02:27:10,590
you do that then it'll be on its
way to you thank you it's a

2443
02:27:10,590 --> 02:27:13,470
great way to head towards
towards Christmas great to see

2444
02:27:13,470 --> 02:27:16,710
all these new faces at the at
the roundtable especially sir

2445
02:27:16,710 --> 02:27:22,170
London now at the roundtable of
the Knights and the dame's

2446
02:27:22,350 --> 02:27:25,890
fantastic let me I've got to do
one thing which is the karma

2447
02:27:25,890 --> 02:27:27,870
with a couple of special
requests for everybody else who

2448
02:27:27,870 --> 02:27:29,430
was on the list. That is

2449
02:27:30,720 --> 02:27:40,350
jobs jobs, jobs and jobs Let's
vote for job karma

2450
02:27:43,530 --> 02:27:51,180
you go rolling out the karma Ah,
let me see. Have you seen the

2451
02:27:51,180 --> 02:27:55,050
all the latest? ISIS bull crap
Oh, my God, these people are

2452
02:27:55,050 --> 02:27:57,930
relentless. It just doesn't quit

2453
02:27:58,140 --> 02:28:00,540
because their social media
experts

2454
02:28:01,560 --> 02:28:08,010
now they have I just caught this
on CNN. They have a rape and sex

2455
02:28:08,010 --> 02:28:12,210
slave manual. And whenever it's
yes, I know whenever you want to

2456
02:28:12,210 --> 02:28:16,170
go and find this stuff. This is
all found by site. You recall

2457
02:28:16,170 --> 02:28:19,170
this this group that we that we
analyzed.

2458
02:28:19,350 --> 02:28:21,540
The ones who do the do make
these things

2459
02:28:21,630 --> 02:28:24,120
up from GE as far as I'm
concerned, they are indeed the

2460
02:28:24,120 --> 02:28:28,050
ones that that do this stuff. So
because when they say Oh, we

2461
02:28:28,050 --> 02:28:33,390
found this on some ISIS jihadi
websites, I can never find the

2462
02:28:33,390 --> 02:28:37,410
jihadi website don't put the
link in there. No. And then and

2463
02:28:37,410 --> 02:28:40,290
they're so incredibly good at
social media. Well, it's hard

2464
02:28:40,290 --> 02:28:43,260
for me to see anything that's
really out there but okay, I

2465
02:28:43,260 --> 02:28:48,180
guess I'm wrong. Here's the
report on this. And this this

2466
02:28:48,180 --> 02:28:52,440
whole thing is so bogus live but
the and this is kind of the new

2467
02:28:52,440 --> 02:28:55,890
thing now is whatever happened
of course we don't have footage

2468
02:28:55,890 --> 02:29:02,670
of you know, two Osprey Landing
and 100 seem to Team SEAL Team

2469
02:29:02,670 --> 02:29:06,480
Six guys going to get the
hostages and then getting found

2470
02:29:06,480 --> 02:29:09,120
out by a guard peeing against
the wall no do animations of

2471
02:29:09,120 --> 02:29:12,210
everything. Everything's
animated we got everything and

2472
02:29:12,210 --> 02:29:15,420
so now we have this guide we
should have that Japanese group

2473
02:29:15,420 --> 02:29:18,600
do it you know, sometimes it
looks like that Japanese group

2474
02:29:18,600 --> 02:29:22,620
that does the Steve Jobs stuff
so well. That was a joke fail

2475
02:29:22,620 --> 02:29:26,700
that joke things Yeah, yeah,
jokes. So this is now it's not

2476
02:29:26,700 --> 02:29:29,070
look we're not looking at a
website. We're not looking at a

2477
02:29:29,280 --> 02:29:31,290
at a document someone is
holding. We're looking at an

2478
02:29:31,290 --> 02:29:39,030
animated page turning thing that
is in Arabic and I guess that

2479
02:29:39,030 --> 02:29:40,170
means it's the manual

2480
02:29:40,200 --> 02:29:43,680
ISIS militants have released a
guidebook on how to use young

2481
02:29:43,680 --> 02:29:48,240
girls as sex slaves. In it isis
justifies child rape, it offers

2482
02:29:48,240 --> 02:29:51,240
tips on capturing and punishing
young girl tips.

2483
02:29:52,410 --> 02:29:54,780
s&m clubs, what is their tips?

2484
02:29:54,900 --> 02:29:58,110
Just yesterday, armed men handed
out this pamphlet that they call

2485
02:29:58,110 --> 02:30:00,930
questions and answers on female
slave You send their freedom.

2486
02:30:01,080 --> 02:30:01,680
Hey, John,

2487
02:30:01,680 --> 02:30:04,620
do you have I have a couple of
questions about female slaves

2488
02:30:04,620 --> 02:30:08,070
and their freedom. Do you have
any tips? Not yet,

2489
02:30:08,370 --> 02:30:11,280
after sunset prayers in Mosul,
our Ian Lee has war.

2490
02:30:11,550 --> 02:30:14,370
This isn't really a surprise.
We've known this has been going

2491
02:30:14,370 --> 02:30:18,210
on for quite some time. But what
this gives us is another window

2492
02:30:18,270 --> 02:30:20,400
into the ISIS organization,

2493
02:30:20,490 --> 02:30:24,210
the ISIS organization, I guess
they have these in the back of

2494
02:30:24,210 --> 02:30:24,960
the Toyota's

2495
02:30:24,990 --> 02:30:30,240
27 points brochure really just
details, the rules for rape and

2496
02:30:30,240 --> 02:30:34,320
the foreign things like raping
pre pubescent girls. And really

2497
02:30:34,320 --> 02:30:37,920
my impression from this is that
these spiders, these people do

2498
02:30:37,920 --> 02:30:42,120
not view their captives as human
beings they are property to be

2499
02:30:42,120 --> 02:30:45,480
dealt with to be used and
abused. However they like one of

2500
02:30:45,480 --> 02:30:49,020
them was lucky enough to escape
and talk to our IVAN WATSON A

2501
02:30:49,020 --> 02:30:50,190
while back, take a listen.

2502
02:30:50,340 --> 02:30:54,300
Okay, so now they have a, you
can't really see if it's a girl,

2503
02:30:54,300 --> 02:30:58,770
a woman, the whole face is
blurred out. It really, you

2504
02:30:58,770 --> 02:31:01,530
really can't see anything
there's she's speaking in, you

2505
02:31:01,530 --> 02:31:04,380
can't hear because there's a
voiceover. And this is now going

2506
02:31:04,380 --> 02:31:07,800
to be the proof of what is going
on to accentuate the, I guess

2507
02:31:07,800 --> 02:31:10,350
the reality of this brochure
with tips.

2508
02:31:10,800 --> 02:31:12,240
Since they came

2509
02:31:12,240 --> 02:31:15,030
to the room and looked around at
the girls. And if they liked

2510
02:31:15,030 --> 02:31:18,690
one, they chose her and took
her. If the girls cried and

2511
02:31:18,690 --> 02:31:22,590
didn't want to leave, they beat
the girl. The guy who chose me

2512
02:31:22,620 --> 02:31:26,640
was 70 years old. And he took me
to his house. There were four

2513
02:31:26,640 --> 02:31:28,290
years Ed girls there already.

2514
02:31:28,710 --> 02:31:32,250
They I didn't know that ISIS had
70 year old guys, I haven't seen

2515
02:31:32,250 --> 02:31:34,860
those in the Toyotas anywhere
yet seen any of those

2516
02:31:35,730 --> 02:31:39,450
hit us. And they didn't give us
enough to eat or drink. They

2517
02:31:39,450 --> 02:31:43,530
told us we were infidels. He put
me in a room and put a gun to my

2518
02:31:43,530 --> 02:31:46,980
head. And I was on the ground.
And he said I will kill you

2519
02:31:47,010 --> 02:31:50,160
because you won't convert to
Islam that night because

2520
02:31:50,160 --> 02:31:53,190
that seems to be the common
theme everywhere, doesn't it? If

2521
02:31:53,190 --> 02:31:56,010
you don't convert to Islam,
we'll chop your head off, we're

2522
02:31:56,010 --> 02:32:00,000
gonna rape you is this is this
is the continuous message and

2523
02:32:00,000 --> 02:32:00,180
took

2524
02:32:00,180 --> 02:32:04,140
an 11 year old girl away. And
when she came back, she told me

2525
02:32:04,200 --> 02:32:04,920
they raped her.

2526
02:32:05,430 --> 02:32:08,280
Reading that pamphlet. Also,
there was another point and it

2527
02:32:08,280 --> 02:32:12,360
said that the greatest sin for
one of these slaves is to escape

2528
02:32:12,360 --> 02:32:16,260
from their master sending a very
dire warning. And to get an idea

2529
02:32:16,260 --> 02:32:18,810
of the kinds of people who are
buying them. Take a look at this

2530
02:32:18,810 --> 02:32:22,320
video. This shows a roomful of
ISIS fighters. They are getting

2531
02:32:22,320 --> 02:32:22,770
ready you're

2532
02:32:22,770 --> 02:32:26,250
literally seeing a handycam
footage a bunch of guys go.

2533
02:32:28,920 --> 02:32:30,990
Nothing else to acquire,

2534
02:32:31,080 --> 02:32:34,050
but they're slaves. And really,
they're joking about it, you can

2535
02:32:34,050 --> 02:32:38,490
really get the impression of how
little value for human life that

2536
02:32:38,490 --> 02:32:43,110
these men have, and really the
living hell that these female

2537
02:32:43,110 --> 02:32:44,790
slaves are living through,

2538
02:32:45,030 --> 02:32:48,240
though I of course assert that
this is all propaganda that I

2539
02:32:48,240 --> 02:32:52,800
see no, no. No evidence of this
much today I realize it and

2540
02:32:52,830 --> 02:32:55,950
another piece came out which was
this is one of these things that

2541
02:32:55,950 --> 02:32:59,160
only really works when you are
making an audio clip of it. And

2542
02:33:00,210 --> 02:33:05,580
of course, so there's a new
report new video of an ISIS

2543
02:33:05,580 --> 02:33:11,700
drone flying above Kobani
showing that they are in control

2544
02:33:11,700 --> 02:33:15,330
and then the drone zooms down
and then we're following some,

2545
02:33:15,570 --> 02:33:19,380
apparently some ISIS guys, they
have the you know, they have the

2546
02:33:19,380 --> 02:33:22,710
clean, very clean camos on you
know, not dirty at all because

2547
02:33:22,710 --> 02:33:25,080
it's all brand new material
brand new stuff that they're

2548
02:33:25,080 --> 02:33:28,770
wearing the balaclavas. So
that's all kind of par for the

2549
02:33:28,770 --> 02:33:32,820
course. But we're in a bottle of
us. balaclavas. What is that

2550
02:33:32,820 --> 02:33:33,030
those

2551
02:33:33,030 --> 02:33:33,990
days? No, I didn't.

2552
02:33:35,220 --> 02:33:40,080
I didn't say this at balaclavas.
Okay. Usually I say balaclava,

2553
02:33:41,010 --> 02:33:47,340
that not today. And what you're
seeing is just three different

2554
02:33:47,340 --> 02:33:50,850
sequences. One guy shooting a
bazooka or an RPG, what we used

2555
02:33:50,850 --> 02:33:54,840
to call a bazooka. Now it's an
RPG. One guy just standing in

2556
02:33:54,840 --> 02:33:57,360
the open shooting, and of
course, we're pretty much

2557
02:33:57,390 --> 02:34:00,510
parallel to him with the camera.
It's not a good place to be if

2558
02:34:00,510 --> 02:34:03,270
some guy is actually shooting at
someone who's shooting back.

2559
02:34:03,360 --> 02:34:04,950
You're not going to be standing
right next to him with the

2560
02:34:04,950 --> 02:34:08,520
camera but okay, then we have a
guy inside a building with a

2561
02:34:08,520 --> 02:34:13,320
huge tripod mounted machine gun,
a 50 caliber and he's just

2562
02:34:13,680 --> 02:34:16,560
shooting through the wall. This
is just people shooting we see

2563
02:34:16,560 --> 02:34:20,220
no anything coming back or
whatever, please see these guys.

2564
02:34:20,220 --> 02:34:25,110
However, they have sweeten this
video throughout the whole thing

2565
02:34:25,110 --> 02:34:32,340
with this, this sequence listen
to it. So you hear this machine

2566
02:34:32,340 --> 02:34:36,270
gun fire in the background with
a ricochet, Peugeot. It's

2567
02:34:36,270 --> 02:34:41,730
literally these are all stone
things. This is I don't This to

2568
02:34:41,730 --> 02:34:44,610
me is a sound effect you can
probably find on some sound

2569
02:34:44,610 --> 02:34:47,190
effects CDs. Yeah, I'm sure you
can. Now if you listen to this

2570
02:34:47,190 --> 02:34:53,220
whole 4545 second report, which
is on a report, it's just video

2571
02:34:53,220 --> 02:34:56,580
starts up into the so called
drone. You're hearing this thing

2572
02:34:56,610 --> 02:35:00,600
over and over again in the
background just to see I sit up

2573
02:35:00,630 --> 02:35:04,860
in between all of the staged
firings oops

2574
02:35:14,580 --> 02:35:19,500
ricochet do another ricochet
reracked the loop

2575
02:35:29,580 --> 02:35:31,230
it's the same loop over and over
again

2576
02:35:35,970 --> 02:35:37,080
yeah the same way

2577
02:35:38,580 --> 02:35:42,780
now you got the firing in
between but listen in the

2578
02:35:42,780 --> 02:35:44,640
background continuously the same
loop

2579
02:36:01,560 --> 02:36:06,210
so this whole thing is produced
from beginning to end company

2580
02:36:06,210 --> 02:36:09,030
and they're playing this on
television like oh my goodness

2581
02:36:09,030 --> 02:36:13,710
look they've got a drone it this
is this was really

2582
02:36:13,710 --> 02:36:17,550
LIS crapped out we're fed by the
these people is horrible but

2583
02:36:17,550 --> 02:36:20,490
there's a new outfit which is
very interesting and this is

2584
02:36:20,490 --> 02:36:24,270
some another business we should
get that clip that well it's

2585
02:36:24,300 --> 02:36:26,730
it's online but it's been played
by everybody I've seen every

2586
02:36:26,730 --> 02:36:30,660
every CNN MSNBC, everyone's been
playing it because it starts

2587
02:36:30,660 --> 02:36:33,930
with a drone shot are so full
knows why they think it's so

2588
02:36:33,930 --> 02:36:38,220
cool. But it's produced it's
clearly produced with sweetened

2589
02:36:38,220 --> 02:36:43,860
audio. Here's something showed
up on CNN. Just a story random

2590
02:36:43,860 --> 02:36:46,680
story, but it was very
interesting. For a number of

2591
02:36:46,680 --> 02:36:51,270
reasons, not just the analysis,
but also the group that did this

2592
02:36:51,270 --> 02:36:55,680
analysis. The title is ISIS
brutal beheading videos search

2593
02:36:55,680 --> 02:36:59,400
for clues. It was a killing
choreograph for maximum

2594
02:36:59,400 --> 02:37:03,330
brutality, the simultaneous
beheading of 22 Syrian captives

2595
02:37:03,330 --> 02:37:07,140
held by ISIS. This was a part of
the larger video of the most

2596
02:37:07,140 --> 02:37:13,020
recent so called the heading of
who was the guy that I think

2597
02:37:13,020 --> 02:37:18,480
that was not fully. Now the last
guy I can't remember Yeah, I

2598
02:37:18,480 --> 02:37:21,960
don't know if it'll show up in.
In November, ISIS released a

2599
02:37:21,960 --> 02:37:25,560
propaganda video titled, though
the unbelievers despise it it

2600
02:37:25,560 --> 02:37:28,110
featured the apparent murder of
an American hostage, Peter

2601
02:37:28,110 --> 02:37:31,050
Kassig. Very good Peter Kassig
known as Abdul Rahman Kassig.

2602
02:37:31,260 --> 02:37:33,660
After his conversion to Islam,
of course, we tied him back to

2603
02:37:33,660 --> 02:37:36,960
us AI D through all of these
different nonprofits, and the

2604
02:37:36,960 --> 02:37:41,700
math and he was a badass he was
a ranger, and the mass killing

2605
02:37:41,700 --> 02:37:45,360
of what appeared to be nearly
two dozen Syrian soldiers, the

2606
02:37:45,360 --> 02:37:50,160
US based terrorism research
organization track terrorism

2607
02:37:50,160 --> 02:37:54,360
research and analysis consortium
and UK based counter extremism

2608
02:37:54,360 --> 02:37:59,670
Think Tank, Quilliam. Quilliam
have analyzed the footage frame

2609
02:37:59,670 --> 02:38:02,640
by frame to understand the
videos production techniques,

2610
02:38:02,730 --> 02:38:05,430
the identity of the hostages and
their killers and the visual

2611
02:38:05,430 --> 02:38:09,090
significance of such calculated
brutality. This is actually very

2612
02:38:09,090 --> 02:38:12,720
good because we have said this,
but they went a step further.

2613
02:38:13,170 --> 02:38:15,960
Here are some of their findings,
the video would have cost at

2614
02:38:15,960 --> 02:38:20,070
least $200,000 to produce
according to track. Similar to a

2615
02:38:20,070 --> 02:38:23,430
feature film. The video features
multiple takes using high

2616
02:38:23,430 --> 02:38:26,220
definition cameras to create
images of a professional

2617
02:38:26,220 --> 02:38:30,450
quality. Nearly all the killers
appear unmasked and are clearly

2618
02:38:30,450 --> 02:38:33,450
identifiable. There are 22 ISIS
fighters of varying ethnic

2619
02:38:33,690 --> 02:38:37,050
ethnicities and nationalities,
all wearing the same camouflage

2620
02:38:37,050 --> 02:38:39,870
uniforms which are spotless I
might point out. They are led by

2621
02:38:39,870 --> 02:38:42,390
the militant known to be the
British in the British press as

2622
02:38:42,390 --> 02:38:46,230
Jihadi John the mask fighter
with a British accent. Only one

2623
02:38:46,230 --> 02:38:49,410
of the killers had been
identified a Muslim convert for

2624
02:38:49,410 --> 02:38:52,770
France. Here we go. Lighting and
Shadows revealed the video was

2625
02:38:52,770 --> 02:38:57,360
shot over a four to six hour
period. The video was shot in

2626
02:38:57,360 --> 02:39:00,750
multiple takes and contains
several inconsistencies. The

2627
02:39:00,750 --> 02:39:03,090
order of the killers and
prisoners in the lineup switched

2628
02:39:03,090 --> 02:39:05,580
in several places in certain
frames fighters are seeing

2629
02:39:05,580 --> 02:39:08,400
chatting with one another
apparently passing time between

2630
02:39:08,400 --> 02:39:13,530
takes. Two of the ISIS fighters
were clip on microphones but

2631
02:39:13,530 --> 02:39:15,990
their audio is not recorded.
It's possible they're recorded

2632
02:39:15,990 --> 02:39:18,450
messages were either cut out or
have been saved for future

2633
02:39:18,450 --> 02:39:23,310
release. Yes for the Director's
Cut. Three of the colors killers

2634
02:39:23,310 --> 02:39:25,170
have been edited out of the
video seeing only in

2635
02:39:25,170 --> 02:39:27,870
transitional sequences. This
includes a fighter in a

2636
02:39:27,870 --> 02:39:30,990
balaclava. The only massive
Milton other than Jihadi John

2637
02:39:31,110 --> 02:39:33,720
track believes the second mass
militant may be acting as a body

2638
02:39:33,720 --> 02:39:36,780
double for Jihadi John, someone
who acts as a decoy in case of

2639
02:39:36,780 --> 02:39:40,290
an airstrike. And this was a
very good analysis because we

2640
02:39:40,290 --> 02:39:45,030
looked at this video and it is
it is truly of Hollywood epic

2641
02:39:45,030 --> 02:39:48,660
proportions, which of course now
can be done if you have $200,000

2642
02:39:49,020 --> 02:39:52,590
You can certainly create
something looks really scary and

2643
02:39:52,590 --> 02:39:55,560
have real high quality and

2644
02:39:56,010 --> 02:39:57,570
I was hoping you could do it
cheaper.

2645
02:39:58,650 --> 02:40:00,570
Or we could do it cheaper. We
got a lot gotta pee, you know,

2646
02:40:00,600 --> 02:40:07,890
it's just it's catering. That's
that. That's expensive. It's

2647
02:40:07,890 --> 02:40:10,560
this craft services. That's what
I was looking for craft

2648
02:40:10,560 --> 02:40:14,220
services, I'm sorry, craft
services. So I went to look at

2649
02:40:14,220 --> 02:40:18,480
this track outfit. These guys
are pretty interesting. I have a

2650
02:40:18,480 --> 02:40:21,300
promotional video which I'd like
to play of what they're all

2651
02:40:21,300 --> 02:40:23,460
about. You ready? I'm

2652
02:40:23,580 --> 02:40:27,330
all ears the world of political
violence and terrorism studies.

2653
02:40:27,330 --> 02:40:31,560
It's constantly evolving, groups
and their leaders rise to power

2654
02:40:31,560 --> 02:40:36,000
and fall. alliances are formed
and destroyed, tactics change

2655
02:40:36,000 --> 02:40:39,510
and motive shift. When you're
studying a subject that changes

2656
02:40:39,510 --> 02:40:43,290
this fast you need reliable
expert sources, concise

2657
02:40:43,290 --> 02:40:47,160
analyses, breaking news updates,
and one place to find it all.

2658
02:40:48,000 --> 02:40:50,340
You need track. Track

2659
02:40:50,369 --> 02:40:56,609
gathers the most oh good is this
Wow, track terrorism.org tra CK

2660
02:40:56,669 --> 02:40:58,829
or I'm sorry, tracking
terrorism.org tracking

2661
02:40:58,829 --> 02:41:00,419
terrorism.org accurate

2662
02:41:00,420 --> 02:41:03,300
and relevant political violence
information available from

2663
02:41:03,300 --> 02:41:06,630
trusted sources embedded in
terrorism hotspots around the

2664
02:41:06,630 --> 02:41:09,870
world, as well as experts,
scholars, government and Defense

2665
02:41:09,870 --> 02:41:12,780
personnel and media
professionals. Yeah, track

2666
02:41:12,810 --> 02:41:16,710
research is an archive difficult
to find resources that Google

2667
02:41:16,710 --> 02:41:21,510
and other search engines fail to
recognize group profiles that

2668
02:41:21,510 --> 02:41:24,870
has nerve centers of information
continuously monitored and

2669
02:41:24,870 --> 02:41:28,860
updated to reflect changes such
as new cells, factions and

2670
02:41:28,860 --> 02:41:33,420
groups as they emerge from this
ever evolving arena of political

2671
02:41:33,420 --> 02:41:34,200
violence. So

2672
02:41:34,200 --> 02:41:36,930
when you look at what these guys
have, they are pretty much a

2673
02:41:36,930 --> 02:41:40,710
database that puts all these
things together, and they sell

2674
02:41:40,710 --> 02:41:45,810
it to CNN, obviously, and
probably to some governments and

2675
02:41:45,810 --> 02:41:49,260
think tanks. But wow, these guys
are making assumptions and

2676
02:41:49,260 --> 02:41:55,080
putting stuff in here. And this
is run by the Beachum group. Are

2677
02:41:55,080 --> 02:42:00,060
you familiar with Walton keep
going? The Beachum group and

2678
02:42:00,060 --> 02:42:03,000
they say they have 2800 experts
who live and report from

2679
02:42:03,000 --> 02:42:06,450
terrorism hotspots worldwide and
then they just list pretty much

2680
02:42:06,450 --> 02:42:06,720
every

2681
02:42:06,720 --> 02:42:09,960
day says it's an intelligence
gathering organization probably

2682
02:42:10,290 --> 02:42:11,940
financed by MI six

2683
02:42:12,960 --> 02:42:15,960
founded as Beachum publishing
the company's acclaimed title

2684
02:42:15,960 --> 02:42:20,160
span the impact of climate
change with beaches guide to

2685
02:42:20,160 --> 02:42:24,480
endangered species and beaches
guide to environmental issues,

2686
02:42:24,690 --> 02:42:28,110
to topical issues and literal
literature to important societal

2687
02:42:28,110 --> 02:42:33,540
concerns with the Encyclopedia
of Social Change eyes on these

2688
02:42:33,540 --> 02:42:34,350
guys

2689
02:42:42,690 --> 02:42:45,360
nobody lost me. No, I was
listening to see if you had

2690
02:42:45,360 --> 02:42:46,170
anything to say.

2691
02:42:46,230 --> 02:42:49,230
Oh no, I just got a the internet
connection thing crap.

2692
02:42:49,260 --> 02:42:50,880
Oh, works. Okay,

2693
02:42:50,880 --> 02:42:52,560
so you had to repeat the
question.

2694
02:42:53,130 --> 02:42:55,980
Oh, there was no question. I was
just I read the other things

2695
02:42:55,980 --> 02:42:58,410
they were doing. Did you hear
about the the BM okay.

2696
02:42:58,680 --> 02:43:02,310
Yeah, they were seemed to be
pretty broad based.

2697
02:43:02,700 --> 02:43:06,330
Well, very focused on social
change, climate change

2698
02:43:06,360 --> 02:43:07,110
terrorism.

2699
02:43:07,740 --> 02:43:09,690
Each profile is getting a sense.

2700
02:43:10,440 --> 02:43:16,080
Well, it is if it's if it's
going to be touted as a reliable

2701
02:43:16,080 --> 02:43:20,040
source and it's going to be used
by the media and think tanks.

2702
02:43:20,190 --> 02:43:26,820
It's a source of your bullcrap
in bull crap out I think these

2703
02:43:26,820 --> 02:43:29,190
guys are taking over from the
site group.

2704
02:43:29,400 --> 02:43:32,760
I think we have to probably do
the same that we have to look

2705
02:43:32,760 --> 02:43:36,000
into this a little deeper.
Something's up with these guys.

2706
02:43:36,029 --> 02:43:38,519
Yeah, well, the beach and
publishing that's that's about

2707
02:43:38,519 --> 02:43:44,069
as deep as I could get on on who
they are. The other names don't

2708
02:43:44,069 --> 02:43:48,059
mean anything to me. The
individual names

2709
02:43:49,770 --> 02:43:52,980
was definitely not the usual
suspects that we see in these us

2710
02:43:52,980 --> 02:43:53,370
girls

2711
02:43:53,370 --> 02:43:57,930
now completely new but Walton
Beach, Walton Beach him and then

2712
02:43:57,930 --> 02:44:03,180
we have Arab Binda Acharya and
these may be Indians who's very

2713
02:44:03,180 --> 02:44:04,320
young con

2714
02:44:05,310 --> 02:44:08,040
me the editorial blessing guys
first there was Beecham his name

2715
02:44:08,250 --> 02:44:10,200
Walton while Walton

2716
02:44:10,230 --> 02:44:16,110
Walton you very unclear wiki

2717
02:44:16,110 --> 02:44:16,980
entry on this guy.

2718
02:44:17,370 --> 02:44:20,610
I don't leave it in. Yeah, late.
I see a lot they all on LinkedIn

2719
02:44:20,610 --> 02:44:24,060
actually. is interesting in
itself. Here's Varian con. We'll

2720
02:44:24,060 --> 02:44:29,580
get the Varian con This is a
woman Oh, wow, she looks badass.

2721
02:44:30,960 --> 02:44:34,770
I'm gonna be looking at beach in
the in the Wikipedia or the

2722
02:44:34,800 --> 02:44:38,310
LinkedIn. What was very is funny
pictures. She's off to the side

2723
02:44:38,610 --> 02:44:42,540
backlit came from the Georgia
Institute of Technology Georgia

2724
02:44:42,540 --> 02:44:47,310
Tech. Pa, president of the BCM
Group LLC, Florida area

2725
02:44:47,310 --> 02:44:49,230
publishing is that a publishing
company on

2726
02:44:49,230 --> 02:44:54,420
a second? That other outfit was
also from from Georgia. The guys

2727
02:44:54,420 --> 02:45:02,400
who financed the academics for
He's who financed the Peter

2728
02:45:02,400 --> 02:45:06,570
Kassig outfit. Also Georgia Hmm

2729
02:45:08,250 --> 02:45:12,090
Interesting is vintage b2b has
been around for 30 years, says

2730
02:45:12,090 --> 02:45:18,660
85 specialize in encyclopedic,
sculpt, sculpt, sculpt, I don't

2731
02:45:18,660 --> 02:45:22,200
know what that means reference
books and databases, databases.

2732
02:45:22,230 --> 02:45:22,890
So you said

2733
02:45:28,710 --> 02:45:32,190
George's to technology terrorism
forum, he's on the terrorism

2734
02:45:32,190 --> 02:45:36,780
forum on LinkedIn, I should join
that link join you clicked on

2735
02:45:36,780 --> 02:45:37,560
this event Get in.

2736
02:45:38,010 --> 02:45:39,870
I'll play the rest of this video
while you're getting it

2737
02:45:40,020 --> 02:45:44,070
includes a snapshot of key
figures, names and aliases,

2738
02:45:44,220 --> 02:45:49,440
areas of operation ideologies,
targets and tactics quickly and

2739
02:45:49,440 --> 02:45:53,460
easily linked to articles of
associated activities, targeted

2740
02:45:53,460 --> 02:45:58,020
regions, related groups and
more. And track goes further

2741
02:45:58,320 --> 02:46:01,980
providing risk assessment and
counterterrorism strategies for

2742
02:46:01,980 --> 02:46:06,060
92 countries that are most
vulnerable to terrorist attacks.

2743
02:46:06,600 --> 02:46:09,870
Tracks intuitive search function
lets you find the information

2744
02:46:09,870 --> 02:46:13,560
you need faster and easier.
filter your results by

2745
02:46:13,560 --> 02:46:14,730
information type.

2746
02:46:14,760 --> 02:46:21,000
This is good. This is good. This
is really good. All right. Well,

2747
02:46:21,000 --> 02:46:23,490
I'm told it's another just
another thing, just another one

2748
02:46:23,490 --> 02:46:24,600
of those popping up.

2749
02:46:25,980 --> 02:46:29,040
Terrorism group your Cresta join
the terrorism group has been

2750
02:46:29,040 --> 02:46:30,840
received. You can adjust your
settings here.

2751
02:46:31,140 --> 02:46:34,320
You're just you're saying hey,
Pocahontas is now being touted

2752
02:46:34,320 --> 02:46:35,520
as the superstar.

2753
02:46:36,119 --> 02:46:39,869
I know this was all predicted
over a year ago by Alisha. Well

2754
02:46:39,869 --> 02:46:40,349
by us

2755
02:46:40,350 --> 02:46:40,980
specifically.

2756
02:46:42,690 --> 02:46:45,540
We're not arguing about it. Two
clips here

2757
02:46:45,570 --> 02:46:48,480
from probably all NBC or MSNBC,

2758
02:46:48,510 --> 02:46:51,450
but the liberal wings newest
Star Senator Elizabeth Warren

2759
02:46:51,630 --> 02:46:56,760
was pushing back to this is not
about partisanship. This is

2760
02:46:56,760 --> 02:46:58,020
about fairness.

2761
02:46:58,410 --> 02:47:03,510
That's that was an NBC here's
Chris Matthews hardball.

2762
02:47:03,539 --> 02:47:06,359
Let me finish tonight with this
revolution in the Democratic

2763
02:47:06,359 --> 02:47:08,879
Party that we're witnessing
tonight. revolute senator

2764
02:47:08,879 --> 02:47:11,459
Elizabeth Warren's able to whip
the party in defeating this

2765
02:47:11,459 --> 02:47:14,969
monstrous spending bill if she
is seen as the key crusader

2766
02:47:14,969 --> 02:47:17,939
against Wall Street in this
grand test of power. It will set

2767
02:47:17,939 --> 02:47:20,009
the course for the months and
years ahead.

2768
02:47:20,160 --> 02:47:21,180
And that didn't happen.

2769
02:47:21,420 --> 02:47:24,540
No, of course not. It's just a
lot of talk. I've noticed this

2770
02:47:24,540 --> 02:47:27,300
with Elizabeth Warren. She's a
big talk but she doesn't

2771
02:47:27,300 --> 02:47:31,830
accomplish anything big talker.
She's a big doll consumer Oh

2772
02:47:31,830 --> 02:47:35,130
student loans. Here's her big
topics student loans these poor

2773
02:47:35,130 --> 02:47:39,960
students are getting ripped off
so what nothing changes Oh

2774
02:47:39,960 --> 02:47:43,020
consumer protection oh it's
horrible nowadays is horrible.

2775
02:47:43,170 --> 02:47:47,040
Nothing changes. Oh, there's
bills no good nothing changes

2776
02:47:47,040 --> 02:47:50,100
she's she's a there's a light
she doesn't do I don't think she

2777
02:47:50,100 --> 02:47:53,670
even tries to do anything. I
think she's just a populist.

2778
02:47:53,970 --> 02:47:54,930
Trying to get votes

2779
02:47:54,960 --> 02:47:59,280
she creates great some phony
phony. Yeah, she creates great

2780
02:47:59,280 --> 02:48:02,670
sound bites though they make for
good sound bites. Yeah. Euro

2781
02:48:02,670 --> 02:48:06,450
land for a moment. Lots of stuff
happening in the Euro land zone.

2782
02:48:07,530 --> 02:48:12,630
actually had a couple things
here. Just to mention, here we

2783
02:48:12,630 --> 02:48:19,380
go. What do we have is a big
protests in Italy anti austerity

2784
02:48:19,380 --> 02:48:24,540
measures. Of course, people are
broken Hungary. Norway now

2785
02:48:24,540 --> 02:48:27,870
requiring ID and border
crossings with its neighboring

2786
02:48:27,870 --> 02:48:30,300
Scandinavian countries because
we have to be afraid of

2787
02:48:30,810 --> 02:48:38,070
obviously of the Islamic State
and Spain. Now telling people to

2788
02:48:38,070 --> 02:48:38,640
shut up

2789
02:48:38,670 --> 02:48:41,820
the Spanish parliament has
approved a highly contentious

2790
02:48:41,820 --> 02:48:45,060
bill that puts major
restrictions on citizens right

2791
02:48:45,060 --> 02:48:49,140
to protest. The law limits
protests to authorize rallies.

2792
02:48:49,320 --> 02:48:53,310
It makes all unauthorized
gatherings punishable by fines

2793
02:48:53,460 --> 02:48:59,460
of up to $745,000 groups measure
has been fiercely criticized by

2794
02:48:59,460 --> 02:49:03,240
opposition politicians and
activist groups. several

2795
02:49:03,240 --> 02:49:07,410
lawmakers tied up their mouths
and protests as MPs debated the

2796
02:49:07,410 --> 02:49:10,440
bill. Opponents say the
legislation violates the right

2797
02:49:10,440 --> 02:49:14,130
to protest limits to freedom of
expression and gives them more

2798
02:49:14,130 --> 02:49:18,000
power to police. They say the
measure simply undermines

2799
02:49:18,000 --> 02:49:22,140
democracy. Spain has been hit by
a wave of demonstrations and

2800
02:49:22,140 --> 02:49:25,410
strikes over the past months
against the government's

2801
02:49:25,410 --> 02:49:26,820
austerity measures.

2802
02:49:29,610 --> 02:49:37,710
Do nothing eat in Italy 43%
unemployment amongst the the

2803
02:49:37,710 --> 02:49:39,270
working capable group

2804
02:49:40,770 --> 02:49:42,810
of course a lot of the Italy's a
mess. Yeah,

2805
02:49:42,810 --> 02:49:44,880
well, if Italy goes down and
there's a lot and we're gonna

2806
02:49:44,880 --> 02:49:49,200
have a lot of problems in the
EU. It's just it's I don't know.

2807
02:49:49,350 --> 02:49:49,560
Well,

2808
02:49:49,560 --> 02:49:54,210
that's why they're drawing
attention to Greece. To Greece.

2809
02:49:54,810 --> 02:49:57,150
Yeah, Greece is falling apart
now. And so they're all there

2810
02:49:57,150 --> 02:49:59,970
was looking at Greece right now
so that to distract people from

2811
02:50:00,000 --> 02:50:05,820
Italy. Okay. Yeah, the Greece
bought to go bankrupt and now

2812
02:50:05,820 --> 02:50:07,680
they're back on track for
thinking about getting out of

2813
02:50:07,680 --> 02:50:10,410
the euro. The whole thing is a
reset complete reset right to

2814
02:50:10,410 --> 02:50:12,690
where they were when we started
talking about him like to go

2815
02:50:12,690 --> 02:50:13,380
over a year ago

2816
02:50:13,440 --> 02:50:14,520
in Hungary.

2817
02:50:16,680 --> 02:50:19,650
There's something screwy about
Hungary. It keeps cropping up in

2818
02:50:19,650 --> 02:50:20,400
the news. It's

2819
02:50:20,400 --> 02:50:24,180
not like I didn't predict this.
It's in the book. We talked

2820
02:50:24,180 --> 02:50:27,120
about hungry being on the What
did you say? Where's the book?

2821
02:50:27,600 --> 02:50:30,000
I don't have the book in front
of me. I'm not gonna start

2822
02:50:30,000 --> 02:50:31,740
thumbing through the book. Just
tell us what you said

2823
02:50:31,770 --> 02:50:35,280
that it said look for regime
change in Hungary. Oh, yeah, I

2824
02:50:35,280 --> 02:50:40,800
remember. And Viktor Orban. He
is the President or Prime

2825
02:50:40,800 --> 02:50:47,460
Minister, I think President he
has now called for a prime

2826
02:50:47,460 --> 02:50:49,620
minister. here's the here's the
report, the Hungarian Prime

2827
02:50:49,620 --> 02:50:53,130
Minister who has vowed to remake
his country into a quote, non

2828
02:50:53,130 --> 02:51:00,330
liberal state. Why would I want
it to be non liberal? Of course,

2829
02:51:00,330 --> 02:51:06,480
he's even mean cozying up to
Russia as the AP reports. Okay.

2830
02:51:06,480 --> 02:51:10,230
Well, they are doomed, called
Friday for a mandatory drug

2831
02:51:10,230 --> 02:51:17,340
testing of politicians and
journalists. It's that's great.

2832
02:51:22,260 --> 02:51:30,510
Interesting, and then this was
the Tor blog had funny, very

2833
02:51:30,510 --> 02:51:36,930
strange posting. So Tor, of
course, is what we believe to be

2834
02:51:36,930 --> 02:51:40,620
a completely compromised so
called Identity concealing

2835
02:51:40,620 --> 02:51:44,490
system. Obviously, we know who
it's financed by, which is a lot

2836
02:51:44,490 --> 02:51:49,140
of from the US government. And
they posted a solidarity against

2837
02:51:49,140 --> 02:51:52,980
online harassment statement,
which I found to be very strange

2838
02:51:52,980 --> 02:51:56,370
coming from Torx, who you would
think they're all about free

2839
02:51:56,370 --> 02:51:59,160
speech, no matter what it is,
speech is free, and you should

2840
02:51:59,160 --> 02:52:02,280
be allowed to say what you want
to say. And that was the the

2841
02:52:02,280 --> 02:52:05,070
idea. Here's what the it's a
long post, I'll just read the

2842
02:52:05,070 --> 02:52:07,590
opening, one of our colleagues
has been the target of a

2843
02:52:07,590 --> 02:52:11,100
sustained campaign of
harassment. For the past several

2844
02:52:11,100 --> 02:52:13,800
months, we have decided to
publish this statement to

2845
02:52:13,800 --> 02:52:16,620
publicly declare our support for
her for every member of our

2846
02:52:16,620 --> 02:52:19,380
organization. And for every
member of our community who

2847
02:52:19,380 --> 02:52:23,160
experiences this harassment. She
is not alone, and her experience

2848
02:52:23,160 --> 02:52:29,580
has catalyzed us to action, this
statement is a start. And then

2849
02:52:31,050 --> 02:52:33,690
we will no longer hold back out
of fear of uncertainty from an

2850
02:52:33,690 --> 02:52:36,990
opportunity to defend a member
of our community online. We

2851
02:52:36,990 --> 02:52:39,960
write tools to provide online
freedom but we don't endorse

2852
02:52:39,990 --> 02:52:45,090
online or offline abuse. How can
you how can Tor be saying this?

2853
02:52:47,100 --> 02:52:49,050
They've been compromised. But

2854
02:52:49,050 --> 02:52:52,680
people need to really understand
this. We know that online

2855
02:52:52,680 --> 02:52:55,620
harassment is one small piece of
a larger struggle that women

2856
02:52:55,620 --> 02:52:59,280
people of color and others face
against sexism, racism,

2857
02:52:59,370 --> 02:53:05,580
homophobia and other bigotry.
Isn't the whole point of Tor is

2858
02:53:05,580 --> 02:53:08,730
so that free speech can
continue. It may not be nice

2859
02:53:08,730 --> 02:53:09,450
speech.

2860
02:53:10,590 --> 02:53:13,350
But it's supposed to not about
nice speeches about free speech,

2861
02:53:13,350 --> 02:53:14,130
big difference.

2862
02:53:14,160 --> 02:53:17,220
So this is this is the real
compromise. I think this is

2863
02:53:17,220 --> 02:53:22,140
very, very, very telling

2864
02:53:22,440 --> 02:53:23,310
me it's code.

2865
02:53:25,860 --> 02:53:27,600
What do you mean, maybe it's
code?

2866
02:53:27,720 --> 02:53:30,630
Maybe it's code for something
else? We're just reading what it

2867
02:53:30,630 --> 02:53:32,280
says. But maybe it says
something deeper?

2868
02:53:32,820 --> 02:53:35,610
I don't think so. I think
probably okay. Well, I don't

2869
02:53:35,610 --> 02:53:41,190
think so either. I'm just saying
maybe it's code. I'm just giving

2870
02:53:41,190 --> 02:53:42,750
him the benefit of the doubt we
work

2871
02:53:42,750 --> 02:53:45,690
on anonymity technology because
we believe in empowering people.

2872
02:53:45,690 --> 02:53:48,120
This empowerment is the
beginning and a means not the

2873
02:53:48,120 --> 02:53:50,970
end of the discussion. Each
person who has power to speak

2874
02:53:50,970 --> 02:53:54,660
freely on the net also has the
power to hurt and harm. Oh, you

2875
02:53:54,660 --> 02:53:57,120
hurt me. You said something
nasty

2876
02:53:57,120 --> 02:53:59,460
Sticks and stones may break my
bones.

2877
02:53:59,550 --> 02:54:04,170
Yeah, don't remember that. We
had the politician from upstate

2878
02:54:04,170 --> 02:54:08,100
New Jersey to sticks and stone
your names calling does hurt.

2879
02:54:09,030 --> 02:54:11,700
Merely because one is free to
say a thing does not mean that

2880
02:54:11,700 --> 02:54:15,600
it should be tolerated or
considered reasonable. This is

2881
02:54:15,600 --> 02:54:16,350
Tor.

2882
02:54:17,190 --> 02:54:19,800
That is odd. I think that's the
screwball thing you found right

2883
02:54:19,800 --> 02:54:20,460
ran into

2884
02:54:21,210 --> 02:54:24,660
Oh, it's on okay. It's not it's
on the Tor blog. It's

2885
02:54:25,500 --> 02:54:27,900
I'm just saying I think a screw
it doesn't make sense. The whole

2886
02:54:27,900 --> 02:54:32,430
thing is, is it's makes you
wonder and they have What the

2887
02:54:32,430 --> 02:54:33,840
hell's going on with you guys.
And

2888
02:54:33,840 --> 02:54:36,210
they have a huge list of
everyone who was signed on to

2889
02:54:36,210 --> 02:54:40,560
this statement must be a couple
100 names here. I guess all

2890
02:54:40,560 --> 02:54:44,610
people who are somehow involved
with Tor. Well, I wouldn't be

2891
02:54:44,610 --> 02:54:45,780
using Tor if you expect

2892
02:54:45,810 --> 02:54:47,550
I wouldn't be using but you
should we already know you

2893
02:54:47,550 --> 02:54:48,900
should be using anyway.

2894
02:54:49,470 --> 02:54:51,930
I have only one last clip to
play aside whatever you had. And

2895
02:54:51,930 --> 02:54:52,770
if you have any. I have

2896
02:54:52,770 --> 02:54:56,520
two good. Good. Let me play mine
and then you play yours and I'll

2897
02:54:56,520 --> 02:55:00,660
play I'll finish. Ooh, big
finish. All right, let's start.

2898
02:55:00,660 --> 02:55:02,970
Let's get this out of the way. I
think we should at least report

2899
02:55:02,970 --> 02:55:05,190
it for people driving around in
their trucks and you know,

2900
02:55:05,190 --> 02:55:07,320
listening to the show we should
at least bring him up to speed

2901
02:55:07,320 --> 02:55:09,180
on the green piece fiasco,

2902
02:55:09,210 --> 02:55:12,570
Greenpeace whose mission is to
protect the environment has been

2903
02:55:12,570 --> 02:55:16,110
accused of desecrating it. So
for a stunt that involves

2904
02:55:16,110 --> 02:55:19,770
leaving a large message next to
a giant set of land, sprawling

2905
02:55:19,800 --> 02:55:23,280
in a desert in Peru. They show
you the site in question right

2906
02:55:23,280 --> 02:55:27,720
here, and so almost 2000 years
old, the 93 meter long depiction

2907
02:55:27,720 --> 02:55:31,260
of a hummingbird, which is
considered very sacred in Peru.

2908
02:55:31,800 --> 02:55:35,100
According to some researchers,
the mystic gigantic image could

2909
02:55:35,100 --> 02:55:37,950
have been created for religious
or astronomical purposes by

2910
02:55:37,980 --> 02:55:41,640
ancient artists. However, it
looked rather different. After

2911
02:55:41,640 --> 02:55:47,010
Greenpeace activists left a
message beside it. It says time

2912
02:55:47,040 --> 02:55:50,220
for change. The future is
renewable, but the message ended

2913
02:55:50,220 --> 02:55:53,910
up backfiring. Access to the
ancient area is strictly

2914
02:55:53,910 --> 02:55:56,580
prohibited. Not even the
president is allowed to set foot

2915
02:55:56,580 --> 02:55:59,910
there without permission. And
Peru's culture minister called a

2916
02:55:59,910 --> 02:56:03,900
stunt a true slap in the face of
everything that Peruvians

2917
02:56:03,900 --> 02:56:08,730
consider sacred. The authorities
are so angry. They've they filed

2918
02:56:08,730 --> 02:56:12,090
charges of quote, attacking
archaeological monuments, a

2919
02:56:12,090 --> 02:56:14,850
crime that carries up to six
years in prison.

2920
02:56:15,120 --> 02:56:16,170
Yeah,

2921
02:56:16,440 --> 02:56:19,710
they mean, they have the nerve
to put those people in prison.

2922
02:56:19,800 --> 02:56:23,730
They mean well, they mean,
they're mean they're idiots.

2923
02:56:23,730 --> 02:56:27,330
They mean, well, next thing
their next target is Stonehenge,

2924
02:56:27,330 --> 02:56:28,680
they're gonna knock all the
things so they

2925
02:56:28,680 --> 02:56:33,240
can get past the barricades and
the fences. Back in the day,

2926
02:56:33,240 --> 02:56:35,760
man, you could just lean up
against the Stonehenge take a

2927
02:56:35,760 --> 02:56:40,800
photo and I was fun. Alright,
Europe. Oh, I thought you were

2928
02:56:40,800 --> 02:56:43,290
gonna do it two in a row. I did
want to mention I just saw the

2929
02:56:43,290 --> 02:56:48,540
corner of my eye. The lower
third Chiron on CNN Sony hackers

2930
02:56:48,540 --> 02:56:52,530
promised a Christmas gift. Ooh.

2931
02:56:54,360 --> 02:56:56,850
This is great. We're getting a
Christmas.

2932
02:56:57,420 --> 02:57:00,900
Wait for the Christmas. People
must be shitting themselves.

2933
02:57:00,990 --> 02:57:05,640
Oh, what do you think got? Oh, I
see. You're right there free.

2934
02:57:05,700 --> 02:57:08,010
Oh, man. What are we gonna do?

2935
02:57:09,600 --> 02:57:16,560
This is from NPR. The drone
operators. A lot of them are

2936
02:57:16,560 --> 02:57:21,330
millennials who are running
drones. And there's these are

2937
02:57:21,330 --> 02:57:27,420
two man teams. NPR had a very
long profile of a female. She

2938
02:57:27,420 --> 02:57:30,690
didn't fly the drone, but she
operated the all the stuff on

2939
02:57:30,690 --> 02:57:35,130
board. And I just thought it
would be interesting. If you get

2940
02:57:35,130 --> 02:57:39,660
bored of it. It's I only have
like a minute 47 I cut it way

2941
02:57:39,660 --> 02:57:42,450
down as far as possible. Listen,
if you think this is

2942
02:57:42,450 --> 02:57:45,630
interesting, just to hear a
millennial talking about her job

2943
02:57:45,750 --> 02:57:49,500
of killing people and how she
deals with it. And I know a

2944
02:57:49,500 --> 02:57:51,990
couple of people who have gone
through this will listen to this

2945
02:57:51,990 --> 02:57:54,900
program. But this was just kind
of, I don't know, it's nothing

2946
02:57:54,930 --> 02:57:57,480
hugely revealing other than Oh,
wow, crap.

2947
02:57:57,510 --> 02:58:00,870
Taylor greets me at her suburban
home. She's pretty she wears

2948
02:58:00,870 --> 02:58:04,950
makeup and eyeliner, peach nail
polish. She has dove tattoos on

2949
02:58:04,950 --> 02:58:08,160
the inside of each wrist. And
then you might think someone who

2950
02:58:08,160 --> 02:58:11,820
bombs places by remote control.
It's like a game or something.

2951
02:58:12,120 --> 02:58:14,430
Video games actually make her
sick.

2952
02:58:14,460 --> 02:58:17,340
Do those, you know first person
shooter type things I get kind

2953
02:58:17,340 --> 02:58:21,960
of motion sickness. I always
wanted to be an FBI profiler. So

2954
02:58:21,960 --> 02:58:23,040
I joined

2955
02:58:23,070 --> 02:58:27,030
Don't you love the up talking
air for the run the flying the

2956
02:58:27,030 --> 02:58:27,870
drones max

2957
02:58:27,900 --> 02:58:30,180
into the intelligence portion.

2958
02:58:30,270 --> 02:58:34,590
It was 2003 around the start of
the Iraq War. She was assigned

2959
02:58:34,590 --> 02:58:37,830
to what was then a small Air
Force program just about 50

2960
02:58:37,830 --> 02:58:41,370
young men and women who learn to
analyze images gathered by

2961
02:58:41,370 --> 02:58:43,320
Predator drones and act on them.

2962
02:58:43,410 --> 02:58:46,500
So yeah, I had no idea what I
was getting into. There was no

2963
02:58:46,530 --> 02:58:49,410
press about them. Really, there
was just what you heard word of

2964
02:58:49,410 --> 02:58:51,060
mouth through the community.

2965
02:58:51,180 --> 02:58:54,810
The military drone has two
operators, a pilot who flies the

2966
02:58:54,810 --> 02:58:58,590
thing by remote control, and a
sensor operator who manipulates

2967
02:58:58,590 --> 02:59:01,860
the cameras in the missiles.
Taylor trained as a sensor

2968
02:59:01,860 --> 02:59:05,460
operator for six months at a
base near Las Vegas. And then

2969
02:59:05,460 --> 02:59:07,500
just like that, she was running
missions.

2970
02:59:07,650 --> 02:59:12,570
It was intense because you're
these 19 year old kids who've

2971
02:59:12,570 --> 02:59:17,400
never had any experience in war
or anything like that. And

2972
02:59:17,400 --> 02:59:23,100
you're getting trained how to,
you know, blow things up and be

2973
02:59:23,100 --> 02:59:28,620
responsible for million dollar
equipment flying over countries

2974
02:59:28,620 --> 02:59:30,510
that you've never even heard of.

2975
02:59:30,570 --> 02:59:34,620
Is this a great country or what
John? We got 19 year olds

2976
02:59:34,620 --> 02:59:37,050
running the show. This is
fantastic. And

2977
02:59:37,050 --> 02:59:39,510
they're not even protected by
military law theory. Anyone

2978
02:59:39,510 --> 02:59:41,760
decided to go after him the
stress

2979
02:59:41,790 --> 02:59:46,590
of even just practicing doing it
was it was a little

2980
02:59:46,590 --> 02:59:49,050
overwhelming, you know, worrying
that you're gonna mess something

2981
02:59:49,050 --> 02:59:53,340
up and, you know, messing
something up could mean blowing

2982
02:59:53,340 --> 02:59:57,660
up the wrong house, targeting
the wrong individuals following

2983
02:59:57,660 --> 03:00:00,960
the wrong cars. You know, things
like that can make huge mistakes

2984
03:00:01,110 --> 03:00:03,330
and wait, because of course we
know this is you know that we

2985
03:00:03,330 --> 03:00:06,300
have the killing Tuesday
meetings where the President

2986
03:00:06,300 --> 03:00:08,250
sits with his little team there
and they decide who they're

2987
03:00:08,250 --> 03:00:11,340
going to kill today with the
drone. And they terrorize these

2988
03:00:11,340 --> 03:00:13,290
kids with that same fact, when
it comes

2989
03:00:13,290 --> 03:00:15,330
to gathering intelligence and
things like that.

2990
03:00:15,480 --> 03:00:19,530
higher reps were watching, they
decided who to follow and when

2991
03:00:19,530 --> 03:00:23,460
to pull the trigger. But still,
the stress was immense. You

2992
03:00:23,460 --> 03:00:23,790
would have

2993
03:00:23,790 --> 03:00:25,950
people saying, all right, the
President is looking at what

2994
03:00:25,950 --> 03:00:27,330
you're doing right now. So don't
mess up.

2995
03:00:30,270 --> 03:00:33,870
I actually believe it. I believe
the President is sitting there

2996
03:00:33,870 --> 03:00:37,920
watching the killing of other
people that believe this to us.

2997
03:00:37,920 --> 03:00:40,230
This is almost over, of course,
how do these millennials deal

2998
03:00:40,230 --> 03:00:40,650
with it

2999
03:00:40,680 --> 03:00:41,460
seriously,

3000
03:00:41,700 --> 03:00:43,320
they would tell you stuff like
that.

3001
03:00:43,470 --> 03:00:47,340
So a typical workday, maybe
Taylor's snooping on insurgents

3002
03:00:47,340 --> 03:00:51,120
in Nigeria, or bombing
terrorists in Afghanistan, and

3003
03:00:51,120 --> 03:00:55,350
then her shift ends, she walks
out of the control station, and

3004
03:00:55,350 --> 03:00:59,520
she's in Nevada, ready to go
home or go grocery shopping. Or

3005
03:00:59,520 --> 03:01:02,010
as Taylor says, Turn the beer
light on,

3006
03:01:02,130 --> 03:01:06,870
we would all kind of drink. Cuz
you can't talk to anybody else.

3007
03:01:06,930 --> 03:01:10,620
You know, everything you're
doing is classified. And you

3008
03:01:10,620 --> 03:01:12,780
know, whether you did something
that you were really proud of,

3009
03:01:12,780 --> 03:01:16,050
or you just did something that
is leaving you walking around

3010
03:01:16,050 --> 03:01:20,010
with the, you know, 1000 yard
stare, you can't talk to anyone

3011
03:01:20,010 --> 03:01:23,490
except for the people that you
just did everything with, like

3012
03:01:23,490 --> 03:01:29,100
your crew. So you kind of bind
together and drink a lot. And

3013
03:01:29,670 --> 03:01:31,470
that's pretty much how you deal
with it.

3014
03:01:31,590 --> 03:01:33,600
It's gonna be a great
generation.

3015
03:01:35,490 --> 03:01:40,800
There are they're drunk anyway.
This is This is so sad. And you

3016
03:01:40,800 --> 03:01:41,940
know, it's really sad.

3017
03:01:42,180 --> 03:01:46,560
Yeah, we were bitching about
rectal rehydration. Man, what's

3018
03:01:46,560 --> 03:01:48,600
going on? What are these people
to be? What's going to become of

3019
03:01:48,600 --> 03:01:49,740
these kids? Oh,

3020
03:01:50,850 --> 03:01:54,930
yeah. Yeah, are the only last
thing I have is apparently one

3021
03:01:54,930 --> 03:02:00,300
of the MPs was caught playing
Candy Crush. Yeah, I saw during

3022
03:02:00,300 --> 03:02:02,190
the one of the meetings where,
you know,

3023
03:02:03,840 --> 03:02:06,870
this was Miliband parliament
where they go, yeah. And

3024
03:02:06,870 --> 03:02:09,150
Cameron are yakking at each
other. And they're screaming.

3025
03:02:09,720 --> 03:02:16,650
Yeah, here, and this guy, and
like a lot of that, and that was

3026
03:02:16,650 --> 03:02:21,210
going on. So this guy is playing
Candy Crush. And for two hours,

3027
03:02:21,210 --> 03:02:24,480
apparently. And somebody took a
picture of it and other guys in

3028
03:02:24,510 --> 03:02:28,320
the ship until of course, they
started thinking, well, maybe

3029
03:02:28,320 --> 03:02:30,450
this guy is okay. And what we
should do is look into the guy

3030
03:02:30,450 --> 03:02:34,950
who took the picture. Of course,
there are a funny story. Well,

3031
03:02:34,950 --> 03:02:35,460
the shamed

3032
03:02:35,460 --> 03:02:38,580
MP won't face any action, but
the person who took this picture

3033
03:02:38,580 --> 03:02:41,520
could lose their job, or the
House of Commons has launched an

3034
03:02:41,520 --> 03:02:44,430
investigation because taking
such photos breaches

3035
03:02:44,430 --> 03:02:48,630
parliamentary rules. Although
some MPs say holding an inquiry

3036
03:02:48,630 --> 03:02:52,260
is pointless and nonsense. In
any case, that media commentator

3037
03:02:52,260 --> 03:02:55,410
Neil Wallace says MPs should be
focusing on the more vital

3038
03:02:55,410 --> 03:02:56,220
issues at hand.

3039
03:02:57,360 --> 03:03:01,590
I think you can laugh at this,
and many will, but there is an

3040
03:03:01,590 --> 03:03:05,220
underlying serious point, isn't
it? You know, this is a guy

3041
03:03:05,220 --> 03:03:08,190
who's been elected to
Parliament, he's been paid a lot

3042
03:03:08,190 --> 03:03:11,340
of money. He's sitting in a very
important committee, actually.

3043
03:03:11,370 --> 03:03:15,240
And I'm afraid you can't go into
the Houses of Parliament, and

3044
03:03:15,240 --> 03:03:18,960
actually sit and listen. If
instead you're paying for future

3045
03:03:18,960 --> 03:03:22,590
games, well, you don't really
deserve to be there. What

3046
03:03:22,620 --> 03:03:28,440
disturbed me far more? Is that
the idea that instead of kicking

3047
03:03:28,440 --> 03:03:31,350
him off the committee, they're
trying to find the person who

3048
03:03:31,350 --> 03:03:35,610
told the rest of us how this guy
is taking our money, taxpayers

3049
03:03:35,610 --> 03:03:39,150
money to sit there and play
computer games. Exactly.

3050
03:03:39,720 --> 03:03:42,750
Yeah, sure. Wasn't a native ad
for Candy Crush.

3051
03:03:45,090 --> 03:03:48,210
If it was a good one, yeah, got
me.

3052
03:03:49,050 --> 03:03:56,670
Thursday, I've got to see my
project Maelstrom working on

3053
03:03:56,670 --> 03:04:01,440
look at it that and it's always
fun. Yeah, the rest of the media

3054
03:04:01,440 --> 03:04:04,350
will be into their lists at year
end lists.

3055
03:04:04,410 --> 03:04:06,420
Oh, yeah. Yeah, they were the
end of the year and now it's

3056
03:04:06,420 --> 03:04:07,470
gonna be all Christmas stuff,

3057
03:04:07,470 --> 03:04:11,580
right? And we will have original
content content like we're the

3058
03:04:11,580 --> 03:04:15,060
only ones who do this we try
actually will point out probably

3059
03:04:15,060 --> 03:04:17,850
a couple more native ads you're
going to all be suckered into

3060
03:04:17,850 --> 03:04:20,250
because I was kinda almost
suckered into that Toys R Us

3061
03:04:20,250 --> 03:04:23,400
thing and then in a soccer

3062
03:04:23,400 --> 03:04:27,150
saved yourself. If you're doing
tweet today, right?

3063
03:04:27,420 --> 03:04:30,810
Yes, I am good. Now be fun. They
can long drive.

3064
03:04:34,320 --> 03:04:38,130
Okay, everybody. I hope you
derive some value from today's

3065
03:04:38,130 --> 03:04:42,420
show. That a lot for your show
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3066
03:04:42,420 --> 03:04:46,080
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3067
03:04:46,080 --> 03:04:49,260
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3068
03:04:49,260 --> 03:04:52,410
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morning, everybody. I'm Adam

3069
03:04:52,410 --> 03:04:52,800
curry,

3070
03:04:53,100 --> 03:04:56,250
from Northern Silicon Valley
where we're slipping in slide in

3071
03:04:57,180 --> 03:04:59,970
keeping an eye Hidin I'm John C.
Dvorak.

3072
03:05:00,000 --> 03:05:03,480
We'll be back on Thursday right
here on no agenda

3073
03:05:14,250 --> 03:05:15,000
ISIS

3074
03:05:18,570 --> 03:05:23,430
we will follow them to the gate
ISIS

3075
03:05:27,360 --> 03:05:32,460
reservoir sets. It was worth the
for rescue mission when the

3076
03:05:32,460 --> 03:05:36,180
world is threatened. The world
needs help the calls on America

3077
03:05:42,510 --> 03:05:51,720
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3078
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