Are you REALLY defending Ted Cruz? You know, he's you know,
he's anti Semite. Adam curry, John C. Dvorak. It's Sunday
April 10 2016. time once again for your gizmo nation media
assassination episode 815.
This is no agenda.
Second Nancy Kress and son but not gonna die yet and
broadcasting live from the Capitol the Goldstar state of
Austin de hostinger. Region six in the morning, everybody. I'm
Adam curry,
and from Northern Silicon Valley words grey, I'm John C. Dvorak.
Greg Levin Buzzkill.
Grey he says it's great here
to me, C. Dvorak, where the C stands for grey.
Oh, did you see that? And I was gonna hold on tell you about it
until later. But did you see you have a website? I do. You do.
And that's actually for me. It's, it's called where the C
stands. for.com Ah, to just hit that. And today where the C
stands for common bear cheese or you refresh, where the C stands
for shock a lot. Thank you. So this is such a good this is a
gift. A gift from heaven. Do you see the site for you? Yeah. Do
you see the site like to know where the C stands? for.com
is fantastic. Where c stands for and for and it is a city
dweller.
I guess that one has a cruel circumstellar mind.
Contract hitman. As is great. Do we have a great audience or
what? Yeah, we
have a great audience.
And they produce everything. Everything you'd want everything
you dream of? Everything you dream of in like a big
broadcasting organisation. Chile met? Yes. If only we could have
something cool, like a website where the C stands. for.com. And
of course the IT department would say well, you know, we
have to register a domain name and we have to host them before
you notice six months later.
And you never get never get it. Now we just have it. Love that.
Guys. This actually cuts is the red tape cutting machine. Right?
Yeah, yeah.
What does that mean?
All these things crop up. This is funny. The red tape cutting
it right just when they nailed it. Where the C stands for
chilli master daddy.
I wonder if they can spike the results. If they can add little
things?
I'm guessing they do or there was going to be getting chilly
master.
Hey, I went to a kind of semi robot thing. A certify Oh robot
semi robot thing? Yeah. Okay. That was Thursday after the
show. We were Tina and I have been invited to go and join a
cocktail party for new new people who are new new to Austin
from New York and California. And this was at the house of the
former New York banker and his wife here in Austin. Your buddy,
my buddy? Yeah. Do I of course immediately cornered him i i
immediately cornered him. We were of course first night that
he'd been first to the party.
Are you one of those guys?
Usually not. I don't really like being first I'd like being I
know. I hate it. Yeah,
the last job first and there's nobody there. And then you find
a hose. Yeah, hoses are busy over the checklist, you know,
try to talk to the
catering, the talker to catering. If they're talking
to somebody, and they're checking stuff off, and they
look up at you every once one then you trying to make small
talk and then they don't really,
you know, because they're they're waiting for everybody
else. And then yeah, and but this one, but this
was the time that the party really gets going. You've been
there too long already. Yeah, we
did leave on time. For sure. But it was it was rather interesting
crowd I have to say. These are newbies newbies. Yeah. Three of
them. Three newbies moved to Austin for startups. Right?
Yeah, that would be like 100. No, no, I'm telling three of
them there. There was probably some 25 people there. Do
couples. Everybody with kids under 15. That's what I did each
time they said, Yeah, we have three kids. How sad for you.
Three startups. I counted three. The one even crazier than the
next startup. Yeah, one is a see this is an end. There's no money
in Austin. I don't understand why they're doing that. They're
moving from California to New York, but California. Most of
the people. They come to Austin and they they there's a startup
and they're like yeah, we're looking for venture capital.
Well, you're in the wrong state. Yet out. We didn't know money
here.
Bastards in Texas.
They were looking for seed money. How much? $2 million.
What do you value yourself out half and half a billion. So I
had a lot of fun. But it was it was an interesting ideas one is
I guess the because the the brand name manufacturers are
losing out to the generics even though they're starting to own
the generics at this point there's this kind of like a
Groupon for brand pharmaceuticals and the way it
works is you get a coupon from this RX whatever their name is.
And and that is exactly this for exactly the difference between
the generic drug and the brand drug you give that to the
doctor, and then you'll get the brand drug. And I said, I'm
really happy you're doing this I mean, this is great kids need
dependable drugs from their drug dealers. I'm just taking the
piss out of him right there he's not getting it
I can see you being just a terror so total a whole
environment but
here's here's the here's
that is a fascinating idea. All my life I've wanted exactly
this.
You got better, you're better. So this is other other couple.
And they're pitching an app. Which actually sounds like a
pretty good idea. You know, it's a it's like a family intranet. I
mean, I would shoot myself if I had to happen. I would shoot
myself if I had to have that with my friends. But yeah, so
we're gonna pitch it to you to see you see what you think and
I'm listening to this. And then I came up with a genius idea for
them which just made me made me giggle I hope they do it to this
is really great. You should you should integrate Bitcoin. So you
can reward your children with Bitcoin through the app that
like yeah, that's a great idea
Perfect, good terrible
on their salary, their salary. Yeah, their salary their
allowance give it to them through Bitcoin
but allowed through Bitcoin
Okay, things seen overheard. I saw bedazzled Birkenstocks. I
kid you not. This was a variation stocks but dazzled
Birkenstocks. Wow.
That's dynamite. I kinda think that's cool.
It will. And Tina and I were like, three o'clock,
Birkenstocks. And then as we were outside, waiting for Uber
to pick us up, the girl with the Birkenstocks and her husband
walked by, and they said, Hey, you guys get any weed?
said that to you?
No, that was really weird.
It was very it was bizarre. The whole thing was bizarre.
Got any weed? Do you guys get any weed?
And then my favourite my favourite was from CES another
couple are
trying to build the wall. Yeah.
Well, we did it's called the Steiner ranch. We built a wall a
wall around the Californians who come here we put them in Steiner
ranch. But the best the best line of the evening, which I'm
going to use at the next cocktail party I'm at Yeah, you
know, we're pretty new to Austin, but we're in between
tear downs right now. Is that a cool thing to say or what?
We're in between tear downs? Yes. Because you
know, you you when you want to build a house you buy land with
a house and you tear it down? It's a teardown but if you have
to tear downs I guess it's even cooler.
In between tears
in between tears. I don't know but I'm gonna use it. I like it.
I'm trying to figure out what it means. Yeah, I'm always doing
one tear down over here and then I moved somewhere in the middle
before I started now I don't even get it understand this is
why we this is why I liked it so much. Like holy crap, what are
they doing? But of course really the only reason and well besides
it was nice to meet new people and there will be I think we
were widening our Obama botnet this is good because we need to
have more input from from the bots and bots have been very
there was almost no we should grip lacks banks. After the past
couple of Obama bought reports, I get lists invites. I wonder
why? Why wonder why. But I did.
This effort just went by it about three miles an hour. And
then I was going I did of course talk to her at that speed.
I did of course talk to the former New York banker about the
Panama Papers.
Ah, yes, he was just as I wanted to dive want to get into that
because I have I have another thesis. Okay.
Well, he was just as baffled as as I was. And he's done a lot of
these deals although he said he was doing the Argentinian deals,
which makes it even more interesting who he is. I guess
those were pretty fun deals. But nothing nothing through Panama
but you know, I'd laid down the made off money he said that is
definitely going to pop up. And that was your assumption made
off. Money will will appear before before you get into your
report. I have a little lead in which can just get us in safely
about the pen No more papers if that's okay with you. Oh,
bad timing with tax day just around the corner IRS
headquarters in Washington DC shut down today after a fire
breaks out there in the basement. The afternoon by a
transformer about 2000 People 2000 People work in that IRS
building, but many have left before the fire started. And so
there were no injuries. And don't worry about this affecting
your refund because tax returns are not processed in that
building. So what do they do in that building? I think not.
So Panama papers come out big fire in the IRS building but
also also a fire in the building in New York of the former made
off partner which also took out a whole whole wing of something
related to Bernie Madoff. Hmm, just a coincidence. That was 740
Park Avenue.
Now if the couple things I uncovered, and I've heard this,
I think this is on the best coverage of this is on Deutsche
li in France. 24. The European stuff right? And somebody
mentioned that this operation fun, something fun sake, I can
always remember the fun
Saikat Yeah.
Yeah, why?
Massoud Massoud, fun seca ism must suit Masak Masak. Phone
sedative whatever it is most satisfied. Yeah. Most most folks
Mossad, CIA how's that?
They said that these guys aren't the biggest by any means.
They're only in the top five. And when somebody says you're in
the top five, that means they're number four or five. Yeah, yeah.
Three bigger ones. So So have made off shows up in this
operation, then, you know, this was targeted? Yeah. Because made
us more likely to be
in the top top two. Yes, yes.
But so let's go there's a guy who so here's, here's a guy from
this is the this clip is called PP, as in Panama Papers, or PP.
Treasure Island, guys, part one. This is the guy wrote a book on
the subject out in 2012, called Treasure islands.
Let's talk more now about the fallout of the Panama Papers,
and Nicolas Shaxson literally wrote the book on tax havens.
He's the author of the 2011 titled treasure islands. And now
he's working with a Tax Justice Network, which works to uncover
tax avoidance and tax evasion. Thank you very much indeed.
First of all, Nicolas, for being with us. Are you surprised to
see the widespread nature of the use of offshore companies in tax
havens? Is this news to you?
Well, the actual contents are not but not so surprising to
those of us who've been working in the industry, we have known a
that Panama is a particularly nasty sleazy jurisdiction has
been for a long time. And be we you know, one of the messages
we've been trying to put out is that this offshore system of tax
havens is much bigger than most people realise. It is widely
regarded as a as an exotic Sideshow to the world economy,
but it is, in fact really central to it. And I should also
add that this is goes way beyond tax there's there's quite an
obsession in the media with with the tax elements of this. I
think the Panama story is more about wealthy people hiding
money. It is sometimes for tax reasons, but it is also
sometimes probably more often hiding it because there is some
something dubious about the money itself, maybe they stole
it or obtained it through nefarious means. It's not just
money, it's assets. It can be, you know, apartments and, and
real estate and all sorts of stuff. But
just to be clear, Nicholas, just because you're setting of up an
offshore company doesn't necessarily mean that you're
dodging taxes. That's what you say?
Well, that's one aspect of it. And I do want to stress that
this is not just that this is much, much bigger than tax. I
think the question is, you know, if you're setting up an offshore
company, does that mean you're doing something illegal? No, not
from not from first principles. But in this particular case,
Panama has been known as a very, to those of us working in this
area. Among tax havens. It is one of the sleaziest
jurisdictions, it has been prepared to accept all sorts of
really nasty stuff that other tax havens wouldn't touch. So if
you are using a Panamanian law firm and setting up a company in
Panama, or using using Panama, somehow that is ultimately going
to raise a red flag. Why would you go for Panama? Why would you
go for a Panamanian law firm, when you could there are so many
other alternatives available and so that should raise some
serious suspicions from the word go.
Okay,
now, a couple of things in here. We discover that panel was
sleazy and that's important to know. I don't like
to sleazy word he's using a lot of it's not really an adjective
that helps us.
The thing that also stood out to me was the this is not a
sideshow, this is the world economy. Yeah. And it was
drugs, drugs
involved, obviously, stuff. But this is the world economy. And
yes, but your thesis is definitely drugs. So I'm
thinking, well, maybe there's, you know, there's what, what?
Because I'm still thinking, who's behind it? Why are they
behind it? Who's Cui bono? And so let's go to part two and see
what is
gap in all of this is that there has not been there has been some
attention in the United States, but not nearly as much as in in
many other countries, not as much as in Europe. And that's
partly because there haven't been that many I will not many
US people implicated. But I think this is problematic
because the United States itself is a tax haven, a very, very big
tax. A lot of people are putting their money in the United
States, knowing that information is not going to be shared with
their, you know, financial crime authorities or tax authorities,
whatever. And so, you know, there's, you know, the US has a
big big problem in the system and it doesn't seem to be making
a lot of change in this respect. All right,
Nicholas, facts and
big problem in the system. And then I I'm thinking what, what,
the United States is a big problem. We're a bunch where the
tax havens so I hear this on democracy. Now. There's Panama
Papers dn KCUR.
The massive data lake known as the Panama Papers, has revealed
the law firm Mossack Fonseca set up more than 1000 shell
companies inside the United States once again, raising
questions about the US role as an offshore tax haven, the paper
show more than 600 shell companies were set up in Nevada
alone, Matthew Gardner of the Institute on taxation and
economic policy said, quote, we should be thinking about this as
a very American problem, and a problem that arguably is worse
here in the States than it is in Panama. He said, Yeah, well,
dogs behind this is obviously our banks.
Yeah. And okay, I want to play a short little clip here, just as
a little interim bitty. This is one of our producers was driving
like 2000 kilometres from back from holiday in Australia. And
he heard an interview on the radio with Gerard Ryle, who is
of the International Consortium of Investigative Journalists,
and our producer Linden was nice enough to cut a couple clips. So
you just said the key word there that the American banks, that's
actually who the customers of most often seca are not the
people themselves, but the banks.
And would the legal, the legitimate aspects of the
industry know that they they're sort of cheek by jowl with some
very dodgy behaviour or not. And I just wonder what you think
about their, their informed consent, as it were?
Oh, there's no doubt that they know what's going on. I mean,
we've seen evidence in the, in the papers, that major banks and
everyday you know, high street banks are giving their customers
the option of avoiding taxes in some countries. It's more
section thicker. When we first approached them with a list of
the clients and have a list of the allegations. Their first
reaction was Hang on, these aren't our clients. Our clients
are the big banks and the big accountancy firms. And it's kind
of one of the most startling revelations from this. He says
they didn't really know who the customer was, nor were they
required to know what seemed staggering.
This brings up another point, when they first report when we
first played the early clips of this Yeah, they specifically
mentioned the banks being the customers. Yeah, we didn't
really play it that way. Because they were
we got named name yes. So celebrated.
Like they did a lousy job of protecting their clients. But
the banks they mentioned if you recall, H FSB HSBC Yeah, UBS,
Credit Suisse, Deutsche Bank, Deutsche Bank. No know American
banks were mentioned.
No. Oh, okay. Well, if we take this right back to the New York
banker, he remember his quote is we won, we won. We won the
American banks, one from the European banks. I'm still not
sure what it means. But maybe this is the final death knell
they did jab it all the way into these efforts.
I think it's just the one stab I think there's going to be more
status.
Yeah, well hold on. Just because you picked up the meme of only
the top five. I have a 15 second clip, which is the propagation
of that meme. So there's something to this, I believe,
again, that same guy from the International Consortium of
international journalists, whatever
and they weren't the only ones. I mean, let's face it most
likely, is one of the largest firms in the While doing this,
but we know that there are about 800 similar firms around the
world and they're not even the biggest. I mean, they're the
fourth third. They're certainly in the top five, but they're not
the biggest.
Okay, just so that top five is that that may be a mean that is
out there for a reason.
Yeah, yeah. A little threat. Yeah.
There could be more.
So this so now that I don't know if there's been a couple movies,
I think the International is one of them. There's a bunch of
movies. I came out a few years ago,
the banks vcci was not at the the big Yeah. And there's
BCCI. Right. Now, there's a bunch of movies that came out
showing these, these horrible international bankers being a
bunch of murderers. And yeah, it's really good films. And one
in particular, the internationalist the
internationalist was the best, I feel. Yeah, that was a good,
fast, good, very entertaining, and it was about banking. And I
might be thinking now that since our intelligence agencies do the
bidding, I mean, they're working for somebody, they're not just
doing it, because it's fun. No, but they do the bidding for some
of our corporations, internationally, espionage,
buying and all the rest of it. And they may be fronting for the
banks on this. And so if the CIA, NSA, whoever it was, that
may have done this breach, which looks like well, there's,
well, there's only one guy who can tie directly to that. And
that's Comey, because he's a former board and board member of
HSBC. That means either he didn't protect them. Or he knew
so much it was time to go after them.
Or Yes, could could go either way. But I'm now thinking that
it's our banks behind this whole thing, just to put the nail in
the coffin of these other guys. I'm these gentlemen are are too
big to fail banks who've become too big to downloads their own
government. Well,
hold on. Let me just So following on your logic, so the
US banks did this, whatever, what how would we classify that?
And I guess the everyone's doing their best to distract from the
banking part of it. Maybe that's why we're just looking as
we're not covering Kansas country at all. This whole story
is like covered up, it's dumb.
And by the way, when it comes to money laundering or tax evasion,
The Netherlands is one of the is one of the biggest. That's
that's where all the Russian money goes. That's where the
Rolling Stones put their money. That's where YouTube puts their
money. Because there's no tax on royalties and other creative
creative royalties. There's no tax on it in the Netherlands,
also not really mentioned in the papers that much.
That's an interesting point.
And it's mainly Russian, I would say,
well, whatever the case, and I use that term, loosely, loosely,
I set in then the point that we have so many of these little
shell companies in our own country that are used for and by
the way, I do want to mention that we do know that there's
some I got two notes from two different producers saying, oh,
you know, you guys are screwing up. You know, tax avoidance is
legal tax evasion is not. You get your terms mixed up. I don't
think so. And tat Well, there's this leat those are legalese
terms. If you say tax, some tax avoidance. Yeah, that's illegal.
You can't do that. But you can do tax avoidance tax avoidance
would be like, somebody,
how about this? How about how about this John? loopholes?
Maybe? We want to hurt the IMF. Could that could there be IMF
ties run the IMF? Yeah, but we're not happy with it. We
haven't ratified. I
think the point that that one guy made where he said, This is
not an international sideshow. This is the show. The show.
Yeah. And I think what it is, is that we want to make sure that
the show is here within our system, you want to screw
around, you want to do dirty deals, you want to launder
money, do it through us
it's always it's a native ad
through us and by the way, since we are the ones who promoted the
United States you know, we're the ones who kind of behind the
internet we invented it more or less and we can protect you
doodle Look at these guys that can't even protect you you did a
deal and now it's out in the public eye like that. Like you
know, we've never done that you'd haven't heard you we've
had a credit card numbers breached by couple days but
that's about it. We haven't had these deals exposed you better
be doing business over here. Plenty of banks are good work
these those banks are no good. Literally come on in let's I
want to introduce you to the let me introduce you to the team I
did with
the American banks one.
Yeah, I think you're right. I'm gonna have to you maybe Why has
white hat such a smug look on his face? Maybe that's what it
is. Well, our buddy Matthew Lee, man, Lee from Associated Press,
beers are waiting for you in Austin, Matt Lee, he did what we
would hope a good journalist would do. And he brought this to
the State Department and said, Hey, are you guys behind this?
Although he didn't exactly frame it that way. He could I thought
he was a little too cagey on his question. But then again, it was
Mark tone, or the filan guy. So uh, but listen to the end. I
don't know if Matt messed up or toner messed up, but have a
listen,
I want to go to something that came up the other day, but but
now it's taken on an added element. And that is this Panama
Papers leak. President Putin, you will have seen said today
that the leak of this particularly the items that have
to do with Russian nationals, like Russia, are part of a
Western or us plot or campaign to undermine Russia. What, what
do you make of that?
Okay, I mean, we've, I think, made pretty clear that we're not
going to talk about the content, obviously, these confidential
papers that were leaked. I just reject, I would reject the
premise or the assertion that we're in any way involved in the
actual leak of these documents.
Okay. So
it's interesting, because he says something different there
than No, he says, I reject the assertion. And then it kind of
evolved. Yeah. And he kind of corrects himself. So they just
reject that. And he's not really a solid, no, but here comes his
end version that
were in any way involved in the actual leak of these documents.
Okay. So it's his accusation that the United States had
anything to do with it, or the assertion by him or by anyone
that the US government had anything to do with us as your
you say, it's left completely wrong.
That's right. Did you hear what he said? He said, The assertion
that the United States is part of it is not completely wrong.
And the guy says That's right.
No, I don't think so. Play it again,
had anything to do with it or the assertion by him or by
anyone that the US government had anything to do with this as
your you say? It's completely wrong? That's right.
You say it's not completely wrong.
It's just kind of a verbal there. I'm not sure that means
anything.
I would agree with you. But it's just Okay. Fine. It's kg
version is completely that the government had anything to do.
In other words, he's asking the question that the US government
have anything to do with this? Well, and well said is
completely wrong. No, no,
no, no, hate? No. He said, I reject the assertion. One more
time, then we'll be done with it.
It's his accusation that the United States had anything to do
with it, or the assertion by him or by anyone that the US
government had anything to do with us as your you say? It's
completely wrong. That's right.
Not completely wrong. Okay. That's right. I don't know.
Could be just a I think it's misunderstanding.
I think it's a misunderstanding. I think he wasn't trying to be
tricky. I don't know that the State Department would know
that. I mean, these guys are supposed to share until Oh,
no. But the question was needed to be asked. That's it was a
good question. Thank you. Exactly. I have one more piece
from the journalist, Gerard Ryle from the International
Consortium of invest. I
also played by the way, I also want to say just things are so
compartment alized in those kinds of environments, I
couldn't there's no way that this guy would know that.
But he did have a very thick, heavy tab he turned to when the
question came up. Yeah, I look for that now. Yes. Oh, he's
going for a tab. He's got his tab. Yeah. Actually have two
clips from, from this journalist from ICI je. Here's the first
one. Apparently, they all had access to the full documents
that they were working on all this time, John. It's amazing
how 400 journalists worked on this data dump. data dump?
Well, I would get more out of it than what we've seen.
It was obvious from the beginning that that we had
something but we then had all this legwork to do. We had to
index the documents, we had to build a consortium of media
partners, make sure that everyone had access to all of
the documents. You know, there was no point in just parsing up
one country's document and sending it over the internet. We
had to give them access to everything because this world is
a global world and the reporters needed to be at to follow their
noses.
Yeah, I'm always amazed when people say, you know that
conspiracy theory is crazy. But that can't be because hundreds
of people would have known about it, someone would have said
something. Well, in this case, 400 people knew about this for a
year and no one said anything. So there's proof. There's proof
it can be done. I think
we've known this all along. Alright, here's what can't it's
not that the key secret is just to organise in such a way that
just kind of compartmentalization. Now, the
couple of things they said there that everyone had access access
is not the same as having a copy. That's correct. I mean, it
doesn't take much really, too. I mean, I can go to Costco right
now and get a four terabyte drive or a six terabyte drive
for 150 bucks. And so I could get the whole thing. It's only
2.6 terabytes. So I could have a whole copy, they should give
everyone an entire copy, not access, access is not the same.
If you have a copy, if I had a whole copy, I could run it, run
it through a database. I could organise it. You can do your own
searches, keyword searches.
Now they use I read about some system they use the even OCR
stuff in is what an operation.
That would take a while.
Here's the final clip from this guy. This is this is regarding
the Russian angle. So we've had State Department says no, no,
no, it's not entirely true. We weren't entirely involved.
So what about Russia? What? Because I noticed you were
careful there. In the words you chose. What's your What are you
hearing about the impact in Russia?
Do you hear the Glee in that woman's voice?
Russia? So great, you guys.
She's from Australia. I don't know.
What about Russia? What? Because I noticed you were careful
there.
In the words you chose. I didn't want to get a little.
What's your What are you hearing about the impact in Russia?
Well, we have, we've managed to get Vladimir Putin to come out
and give a press conference about it. So that's a bit of a
coup. But before we before we even publish,
that's kind of interesting, what journalists feel is important.
He says, We've managed to have Putin come out and do a press
conference about it. So this journalist is has an axe to
grind. The way I hear it. Maybe, yeah, I just thought just as a,
you know, an international independent journalist, you may
want to temper yourself a bit. Well, we
have, we've managed to get Vladimir Putin to come out and
give a press conference about it. So that's a bit of the
before, before we even published anything we sent. And we were
working very closely with journalists in Russia, who were
understandably concerned about their welfare in terms of they
were physically worried about their welfare. So we went to
most of the of the people around the world a few weeks early,
because of the process we use here, we've got a fact check
everything, give everyone a chance to comment. But we went
to Russia a week, just a week out from publication. And almost
the moment that we sent the the questions, they called a press
conference from the Kremlin, and denounced us and tried to make
out that this was an attack on Russia. At that point, of
course, they thought that we were only interested in Russia.
What we'd found in the documents were all of these associates of
Vladimir Putin, who basically owned offshore companies. And
through those offshore companies were pouring millions, hundreds
of millions of dollars, and some very strange transaction
successes, loans from from state owned companies to these
offshore companies. And these loans didn't appear to be
commercial, there was a polite way of putting it. And we also
found an offshore company, for instance, that was the owner of
a ski resort work group installed or got married. And of
course, the owner of that company turned out to be Putin's
of The Godfather crudeness, child. So there were legitimate
reasons for us to ask the questions. But as soon as we
did, we just got announced. And they were claiming this was a
conspiracy by the by the American government, that we
were all CIA and other things, which is quite funny. And
how could one ever ever think that
it's time to react and to deny all this ourselves and to defend
ourselves? But I just knew that one week later, we were going to
publish, and they were going to see that, you know, that it
wasn't about them. And in fact, we were also publishing
information about other other world
leaders, like people like British pm David Cameron, but I
think probably people have heard about that.
I'm just reading now. HSBC executives are facing calls to
resign. Yeah, you know, you're onto something here. I think
this is a good one. And really, the the information that was in
this data zone, you got to wonder if, if, if the banks were
their customers then it, I would say that they really only had
the banking. It didn't maybe didn't come from this data dump,
you know what I'm saying?
I don't see how, here's what I here's the way I see it in terms
of that, in terms of that what you're saying, which is that why
is that just a bunch of bank names? Yeah, the banks are is
their customer, but they still have to set this, these set it
up now, with somebody in mind, because they're gonna have to
have some relationship to the person. Right? It seems like the
banks are the customer. The banks are kind of a broker. But
you had your you had your David Cameron's dad, right? Who went
to his bankers banker in London, and the banker in London says,
okay, and then went to these guys and said, We've got to set
this thing up friend, here's the here's our client. And here's
what you got to do for him. What can you do? So the guy's name is
going to be transferred along because the banks are acting as
the middleman. Yeah. And acting as anonymous. frontman is
okay, well, so let's follow the logic. So let's say this is set
up by the US banks who are narrowly mentioned.
The data breach was set up by the US banks. Yeah, yeah.
So the idea, I guess the idea now would be ultimately to go
after the executives within the banks to weaken them even more.
Does that make sense?
It sounds good to me.
Yeah. Yeah.
I'm not sure what the end game is, besides weakening the banks
would be one thing, but just just guessing. Absolutely. And
it was bold, this whole scene under control under our control,
so we're the one that profit from it. Yeah. You're talking a
lot of rich people in Europe and elsewhere that are just
bypassing us. Yes. No, good.
This is not how the game is played. Absolutely.
You can do better as
it goes. Sure. But what's the big deal? You make just much
going through us
here German banks in meshed in the Panama Papers leak in
meshed? Yeah, yeah, I think you're right. And this would
explain the the former New York Bankers coyness about the whole
thing. Yeah, I don't I don't know where this is coming from
this now. He was this happened. He was Deutsche. But I said
Georgia is gonna get screwed so I had that debt over this the
debt over this so maybe he had a suspicion. I'm gonna throw this
back in his face. He would what bounces? Ha. Well, I like
looking at it from that angle for sure. Well, it makes us look
like winners. If you're very good grades, Panama Papers
making America great again.
Gotta love it.
Oh, man. And it's definitely I mean, I have it is, it's almost
you can almost chew on how missing it is from the network
news stories. I mean, that little Democracy Now thing was
the only thing that was been playing this plane and the news
are just completely ignored this story. This is a huge, huge,
huge international story. Yeah.
Now why would the why would they be ignoring it? If it's about
the German banks? Wouldn't we want to rope them in and get
them all over?
In? Our public doesn't need to know this? Right? And I'm gonna
do as a public American public, they don't need to know
anything. Everybody who needs to know does we'll be finding out
shortly with a letter in the mail. Yeah. do business with us?
Or don't do business at all?
Now, the next question is will this will it hold? Well? Does it
have legs? Will it continue? I'm not so sure.
Well, that's all he needs the second data breach. Now. We've
talked about this, are you and I in our game spot the spook?
It's one of my favourite games.
Quite. It's a great game. And it's very easily once you get
the hang of it, you can do it. Anyone can? Yes. In fact, if we
had spa so I'll bet you if we saw I bet you there was a spook
in this operation in this Panamanian operation, that if we
saw one of those, we'd see him we'd go Yeah, yeah, we go.
That's a whole the team of all the people that work there. I
bet you we could spot the guy. Yeah. Because this couldn't have
been just over the internet of data breaches had to be
orchestrated from inside, even though there's a lot of debates
going on in the media right now. But was it an inside job? He was
probably at least partially an inside job because it just 2.6
terabytes is a lot of stuff that number
has, has irritated me. Okay, the number and yeah, we have Yeah,
it's one of those numbers. We have lots of dude name dudes
named Ben out there. Now. I think this is probably from a
backup archive. And this is what I've been trying to find out.
Oh, this is this is where people forget how their security works.
Now backup tapes, I think can do up to 600 And 6.25 terabytes.
But that's the high performance. And this may not be, you know,
this is from 10 years ago or it's actually it's lots of who
knows? I don't know. It just feels that that kind of that
size. To me feels like a backup tape.
You know, it's interesting because I, when everyone talks
about security, and they talk about the cloud, the cloud
security, and they talk about, you know, security over the
internet, they have always security guys. I wonder
sometimes about archival security? Because I don't think
there's much is much effort put into taking an archive, which
would be a backup tape of some sort, or backup tapes of some
sort. And then there's automated giant backup places or site
stuff. Yeah, you know, off site to place would have this
material that would I wonder how easy it would be just a steal
those tapes? Well, I'm
sure the bank banks, the banks probably store their their off
Site Backups, possibly in the same place? I don't know. I
mean, I've always worked. I've always wondered about that.
Yeah, Iron Mountain. Yeah, you know, where they encrypted. And
we don't know any of this stuff. We have no technical data on
this. And the silence is deafening from the, from the
Snowden camp. But it's deafening. I tell you definitely
there were some
years ago of this mountain in Switzerland. And it which is
owned by the government, I guess. And these guys took me
into the I got to go into the mountain, which is supposedly,
it's a big mountain in the Alps, and you go is near get shot. And
you go in there. And, in fact, there's an exit out of the
mountain onto a balcony overlooking the valley, and Gus
Stott, and this is crazy. You go out this little walkway and
there's a kind of a glass bulb. It's actually a square like a
little patio, and you can have lunch, one table and a wild
anyway, you they did all this sort of thing. And they had
like, all kinds of arm guards and supposedly a H bomb could go
off nearby. Yeah, it would protect the data. And this is
the oldest Swiss banks. Everyone uses this. This crazy. Mountain
thing. I can't remember.
I know, I know where the numbers bother me. This number 3.0. Was
it six terabytes? 3.8 2.6. It's 2.6. Yeah. Okay. So if we do
here we go. 2.6 divided by what goes on a DVD? 656 and 50
megabytes?
Or 702 650?
Yeah, so that would fit perfectly on for ROMs. DVD ROMs.
Know what?
You're talking about six 750 megabytes, you're talking about
terabytes.
I'm sorry? 40. It would be 40. That's right. The way a DVD is
4.7 gigabytes. You know what dudes named? Ben figured out in
May lossless. There's something to add. Maybe I'm just thinking
the tape drive just stuck in my head. That's okay.
Well, this probably is I brings up the archival to get to tell
my story about going in. I liked
that. And they let you out again. That's the good news.
Yeah. Now, we've known each other for what 10 years, John,
we've really known each other
since 93.
Okay, well, that's a long time. But yeah, we've waited two
years. We know a little bit about 10 years, good. 1010 years
intensely. It's been an intense 10 years darling. And, but you
know, my background and of course, you know, knowing who my
uncle is, you could easily accuse me of being a CIA asset,
obviously.
Yes. Right. Yeah. So for the drugs thing, they wouldn't let
you know,
no, drinking is okay. In the in the agencies, the drugs. I don't
like drinking and womanising. I had I well, I, hey, I had to for
the two out of three. But you the, you've had a few behaviours
that people always like about you. And they're a little bit
odd. But I've always been looking to see if you know if
maybe we came together because your handler or? And I think I
have proof now that you are Oh yeah, this will be good. You are
a trained agent. Ah, and I have proof. I have Jim Comey, who
gives it away that you are a trained agent, most likely of
the Federal Bureau of Investigations. The inflection
point was Snowden, really. And we saw sometimes people say to
me, why didn't you start talking about it? Now you can let the
bad guys know. Long before I became FBI Director three
months, the bad guys got a very clear look. And terrorists
tradecraft changed lots of tradecraft changed. Apple didn't
make its change though, till the end of 2014. And it surprised me
and surprised all of us. I remember how I first commented
on this. It was in the paper one morning and I happen to be
having a regular pencil and pen meeting with the press that
covers us. And someone said, I wasn't even planning to talk
about this. Someone says what are you think about the fact
that all Apple phones are going to be encrypted now, and I am
prudently to sort of wing something. But, but the
conversation about surveillance was not driven by Apple's
change, or my reaction to Apple's change or litigation. It
began in the summer of 2013. And you can debate whether from an
overall perspective is good or bad. I think it was bad, but
others have a different view. But I think that's when that
conversation began. And I think we have an opportunity to
channel into something healthy, I don't think it should freak
you out. I think you should demand the details. demand to
know how the government conducts surveillance, how they're
overseen, how they're constrained, demand to know how
these devices work, demand to know whether it is true. I saw I
saw someone do this, so I copied it. I put a piece of tape. I
have a obviously a laptop personal laptop, put a piece of
tape over the camera, because I saw somebody smarter than I had
a piece of tape over their camera.
Was it in spook school with Jim Comey? How was in smokescreen? I
I made sure that you know, there was a big debate of whether you
should use electrical tape or gaffers. I use gaffers tape.
gaffers
tape is the way to go. You have been doing this to the surprise
of millennials for a decade.
What are you putting the tape over the camera? Yeah, yeah.
And now it turns out that is a learned behaviour from FBI proof
there from Jim Comey. I think he saw it
from you. They're a little slow to the game, it seems to me. I
think he learned it from you. Was had me VO and everyone got I
think we had these I had two monitors. And both of them had
cameras on which I thought was wondering, why is this other
king thing have a camera on? Okay, so I put tape over both of
them. And then Butler takes the tape and he takes a three hole
punch and puts a hole in the tape and puts the back over the
thing. So the camera shows through, though I wouldn't
notice. And so this is interesting. So I just offset
it. So the whole was still there. But now the character but
the whole but the camera itself was still covered. I just love
how Jim Comey took running gag with me and those why would you
want to a camera
pointed at you.
You just overtly it makes no sense to me. So I always take
okay, you're avoiding the question but okay, it's fine. We
understand it. I mean, I just love that Jim Comey learned it
from you. That's the best part.
Well, I'm glad he learned from somebody
from the channel into something healthy I don't think it should
freak you out. I think you should demand the details demand
to know how the government conducts surveillance, how
they're overseen how they're constrained demand to know how
these devices work. demand to know whether it is true. I saw I
saw someone knew this so I copied it I put a piece of tape
I have a a obviously a laptop personal after I put a piece of
tape over the camera. I saw somebody smarter than I had a
piece of tape over their camera one smarter and so I think it
should you should channel it into a healthy awareness. A
demand for information and engagement especially young
people yes, we should
see viewer out there showing the young people engagement
piece of tape camera
Oh, I couldn't help myself by like,
well with that where's my check?
I'd like to thank you for your courage and money and say in the
morning to you John. See where that CD stands. for.com covert
handler
you would that you would you would do that now? Yeah.
Oh, okay. Well then, all you have to say is you got to thank
the boots and the things and all that you know.
Well I want to thank also in the morning to you Yes, but also in
the morning all boots on the ground feet in the air subs in
the water all the dames nights out there.
Yes, in the morning, everybody in the chat room. No agenda
stream.com Everyone's very awakened laughing a lot about
your your handler status and no agenda. stream.com Thank you
very much to Patrick boughs. And Patrick gave us the artwork for
episode number 814 produce and pipelines really liked this. It
was see it was the blue background. It was kind of the
little of the European Union Flag motif with some of the
stars and you had all the stars looking at one star in the
middle, who was his sweat and beads and looking unhappy and
that of course was the Netherlands in the EU who
rejected the Ukraine association agreement by referendum.
I kinda liked one of the other ones on there too. But yeah, we
agree like we commonly do which is you don't sometimes there's a
you said this one's good for this show. This is good for this
show. But this one here could be an evergreen and future show
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I'd say you get about four per show and I can't you know, some
of the some guidelines would be probably appropriate. First of
all, we really love songs that are that are true parody. So a
song that is a parody of of a known song. That's always great.
It's the hardest to do very hard. Then we have kind of our
DJs like GX two and we have what's the other other guy who's
actually the one the last from Thursday show the kind of the
really cool trancy one that was done by PewDiePie. Who does the
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ideally, it's two minutes in length, and it's got lots of
show clips in it. Not too much. Without anything. Yeah, yeah.
It's like a you know, again, what did what was that? You did?
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Got it.
Got it. Okay. All right. Well, let's thank a few people. For
show 815 And we're starting off with a couple of executive
producers get three of them. Very nice for nice, Steven
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Then comes $333.33 David Killian and Clinton, Illinois and I
don't think we'll look at his email that he sent us anything
email wise.
Let me check. David Killian. Yes, I think I do have something
here. That's an old one. Wait. Wonder if this is an old one.
This is from it's odd March 22. Is it possible that we missed
him? Oh, okay. We should be getting them. Yeah, here it is.
I have it. John. Adam, enjoy the show been listening since number
one aired please credit my donation of three three on a
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it off. Here's what I put on this check. Please read ITM
credit show on Sunday show I was instant night. Thank you for
your courage. Also based on my donations I am the status of
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the title can refuse the title and wait for the next title as
an all would be title whole as well as can all would be title
holders. So what does that mean?
Does he want me to reduce the title because you don't want to
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John Anam. Today's my birthday thought. What better way to
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what this is no note other than to just say keep doing what
you're doing. Adam Can you please play me three random
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get the karma. Karma.
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right. Here's a good one. Do check out wait.
That's boring. It's boring. And they tell you this from the
first season sounds like it? No, it is because so homers voice
change. Okay, Sir Chris beers in Austin, Texas right down the
street from you to 2222 in the morning John and Adam has always
wanted to thank you for your outstanding product and I hope
this small bit of value for value finds you well, as this
donation should elevate me to the level of Baronet. I feel
entirely entitled to ask only two things. Firstly, all of this
meetup talk when is there in one in Austin? You have a lot of
people there yet we do. Probably pull in 30 people
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wages and would like some travel in gambling calm I'd also like
to hear a Fletcher Putin LIFO and Obama a team keep up the
good work Sir Nicholas outside life.
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threatened. The world needs help. calls on America and
that's the story.
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billing. Turns out. What's the seed guy sells B 12. We are
being we're being accused of creating a native ad for B 12. I
see guy selling beats well yeah I have a funny seed guy clip. Oh
good. I think we're just before we get to Stuart Morrison who
was our last executive producer I think we should play it's
called this is the Glenn Beck clip
okay
doesn't need any intro? No, no okay,
so they're just pervy, you know, like Glenn Beck on national TV.
That's when I became a Mormon. Second half second night live
like giggle that were little perv sweater where it's just
it's like, perv alert. People got gaydar man, I got perv are
pervert are. And let me tell you that guy is a pervert have ever
saw one. I don't know what he's perverting into. I'm not I don't
know anything about it. I'm just gonna tell you right now, like
Glenn Beck and I had enough of it's not racist. It's fact.
Anyway, the RB
12 was given back I've got this thing going on where they just
go after each other pretty sad.
I know. I don't know what it is. Anyway, we're being accused on
the subreddit of providing a native ad for B 12. So could you
send my part of the check over please?
Where's our check? I'm
ready for the checker. Sorry,
check.
How many years they've had glow in the dark dogs you can buy
that are part jellyfish.
There's always hope, you know, before we did this, like I was
thinking it happened to us, quite honestly. And I know you
must have the same from time to time, I think to myself, self?
What if this went away? What would you do? Because you'd have
no money within a few weeks, you know, be broke. And yeah, be
very broke. Anything could happen. I don't know. We could
be shut down. You know, if I die. That's bad news for every
but for me super bad news. And you have you die. Bad news. For
me. It's all bad news for me, really. I have no career, I have
no savings. And then I realised I have nothing to worry about.
It hit me just watching all this TV, particularly the news
channels like I'm set by the time I'm 65. If I can hold in,
or hold on to it until I'm 65. I can sell reverse mortgages to
the MTV generation.
I've heard a lot about reverse mortgage. Let me
explain. I have this handy DVD. Maybe then the MTV generation
will be able to thumbdrive
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that that that half of that business that those guys are
doing is mailing lists. So we
so I have a mailing list to start with this is great news.
We can use the no agenda mailing list and I can sell reverse
mortgages. Yeah. So I'm not really
sure sit here. Wait, wait, by the way. Here's another one
you've got to put on the list. Apparently, if there's a
birthday, Eric spots the birthday and then he misses the
other bit. So why did all these nights having birthdays on the
same day as they want to they get their knighting Stewart and
Morrison in South Yarra Victoria, Australia to earn one
dollars. Hi, John takes me to knighthood.
Put him on the list. Okay, Stuart Morrison. Yeah,
I will send you an email with accounting. I am an orthopaedic
trainee from Melbourne, Melbourne. And I want to thank
you for eight years of quality. Wow, eight years of quality
listening is my 30th birthday on Monday. So he's been listening
since he's been since he was 22. And he stuck with us. He's not a
man overboard or anything like that. Not great. And I thought
this would be an ideal way to celebrate it. And it took him
eight years to become a night. See, so, you know, I'm very I'm
proud. I love hearing a lot along you don't have to do it
all at once. Although it's cool when you do. See you at a meet
up soon. The rest assured I'm stockpiling decent wines for
when you finally make it down under.
Hey, yeah, so this was funny. I said to Tina, I said, Hey, you
want to run away for a year? She said yeah, okay, my lease is up
in September. kind of left it at that, but I'm just saying you
never know.
But you can do the show from Australia. Who do you imagine
if we just took off and just toured the world? Oh my god, how
awesome would that be? And I say I don't use that word lightly.
You and Mike Elgin you can meet up okay.
All right. That sounds that was a great idea. I guess I'm just
staying here in Austin. Thanks, John. Yeah, you you are hotspots
around the world if you go visit him and that's why they call you
the Buzzkill. You might even run into him on the road.
No ser. No, no, no, no, no.
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Exactly. No, but I thought it was a
good idea. All right, well give give us Stewart a shot at karma
for being loyal oil. Karma.
I would love to do that.
I would love it. It could you could Yeah, but she
has to she would have to give up her job, you know, is this not
something you just do? Or she would have to, you know, genius
come up with
me if we're very income increased a little bit here on
this show you could afford it. Let's, let's remind people, we
do have a show coming up next Thursday divorce.org/and. A, we
might want to take out I've been trying to promote the $33.33 of
subscriptions. But 1111 is fine. There's all and they're all on
the newsletter, or the sorry, the we're on the support page of
org.org/and. A, yes. We'll get it together here. And as
we usually like to tell people, these credits, the ones that we
do at the beginning of the show, our executive producers, our
Associate Executive producers, go ahead, look at any of the TV
shows now Amazon has their their new shows out, you'll see who
created it been in this case show in Amazon's case, a lot of
celebrities who are producing, which really means they don't
have to bring in money per se, but they probably do, they
probably do. So these producers, you get right up front, you get
the credit, it's real and accepted wherever credits are
recognised. And as John said, we have another show coming up.
Yeah. And in the movie business, the people that are producers,
executive producers generally almost always have something to
do with the money TV. It's mixed case. dieters, and who knows
what? Yeah.
So instead of, you know, hooking up with actors and actresses,
and doing coke and hanging out with them, we give you karma.
Now, which would you rather have just better, it's much, much
better here. One for everybody just for the nose? For the nose,
or slash? And maybe you don't have any talent for creating
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Don't laugh.
Did you hear about kinda wish I had done this. Talk. We just I
think just we were talking about the security, you know, the Iron
Mountain stuff and all that. The way radio stations are set up
these days, certainly top 40 radio stations ever since, you
know, Clear Channel bought I Heart Radio. And then they
became iHeart Radio and you know, there was a leveraged
buyout. And so, you know, this is a company that's about to
fall over that owns close to 900 radio stations across America.
They thanks to Bill Clinton. It Well, it
was the number of people. Bob Pittman is running it who of
course,
no, I mean, they passed the laws that allowed us to get out of
control for the media
laws. Yeah, ownership laws. Yeah, yeah, of course. Well, it
was. But nice side note is that it was a leveraged buyout from
Bain Capital, which of course, is Romney's company. So this
place Oh is $27 billion. Bob Pittman has always competent
compensation tied to company performance. So he's freaking
out, because they can't service the debt. So the, it's not if
they're gonna fall over, it's win. But you have to cut costs
and cut corners. What they did is, you know, we've been looking
at the death of radio, it's been a very, very slow drowning and
it'll take another decade though, blah, blah. It's total
blub, blub, blub. Um, so, you know, they take one morning guy,
put him in a studio and have him talk to five different markets
at the same time. And all this goes to, you know, studio
transmitter links. And these of course, are they used to be
little low power transmitters that would transmit the signal
from the station up to the big transmitter tower on the on the
hill or whatever you have. These days. It's all done by Internet
and someone hacked in to a number of these studio
transmitter links of the KSC X Radio Group, which has a I think
it was it was six or seven different radio stations. And
the hack was so good. They they hacked in and started playing
porn. Just audio for and they kept going for several hours
because the dudes named Ben had to go out to the to the actual
transmitter station.
Never do they never like to do that. Yeah, they
do it once a month to go check the equipment. But man, what a
great hack. We're gonna have so many of these opportunities. Oh,
yeah,
that is a good that's a good that's one of those. Oh, that
what a great idea.
We should do something like that. We're gonna have a lot
to do political stuff. There's all kinds of ways what things
you get spammed but no porn, which typical.
I know. That's the sad part. That's the sad Yeah,
well, the money Yeah.
So first of all, I think there's this going to be a fungus
among us for four hours on them because among us,
yeah,
we're just play the no agenda show. I'm just saying what a
great little idea that
would be I wouldn't be bad and we got nothing to do with it.
No, of course not. We're just suggesting what would be cool.
That's all
it would be cool. But you know, again, we discourage it. Yeah,
we don't. Okay, okay. A okay. Just thought it was nice.
It was so good. I didn't know that that happened. They kept a
lot of the news I collected today because I went in this is
some democracy now once in a while they get on a roll and it
gets a lot of these stories that nobody, nobody covers. It's and
even when PBS again, when PBS covered the Panama Papers, they
did a poor job and listen to this shallow PBS news. I missed
the Fast and Furious scandal clip of a PBS I'm thinking this
was the could be one of the most important news stories they
don't even bother going into. They just make this
announcement.
The Obama administration today turned over 1000s of documents
on Operation Fast and Furious. They involve a gun running
investigation that may have let Mexican drug gangs get their
hands on 2000 weapons. House Republicans demanded the
documents four years ago that the President claimed executive
privilege. In January a federal judge rejected that claim.
Yeah, it seems like the Obama administration is trying to
clean house a bit. Just get some stuff. Yeah, get some stuff out,
sweep this away, get that done. Maybe trying to get some news
and focus it away from whatever's going on with the
Panama Papers. Now, who knows? Who knows? It's one of the
oddest things we've ever seen. I'd say,
Well, this thing here because no one's gonna follow up now. I
mean, it's like another screwball story got and put them
screwball stories. And today, we're actually assuming Oh,
yeah, here's here's one. This is a play this clip. This is a clip
that should have gotten more ink or ink and play but it didn't.
Triple tap drone strike. Listen to this horrible story.
Afghan officials say at least 17 civilians were killed by US
drone strikes in Afghanistan Wednesday. The first strike
reportedly hit the truck of a local elder who is on his way to
resolve a land dispute killing the elder and 11 others. The
second drone reportedly struck and killed two people who are
collecting their bodies. A third drone strike reportedly killed
three more who'd come to see what had happened. The
Pentagon's confirmed two of the three drone strikes, but says
there were no civilian casualties.
Yeah, I was thinking about this. Yeah. Especially since the
President on the last show, we played the clip where he, for
the first time, as far as we know, just said, Hey, you
sometimes we kill civilians? Oops. Yeah, I'm sorry. I didn't
even say I'm sorry. Just sometimes we kill civilians.
Here's the question, though, is here's the question. With all of
these terrorist attacks in France and Belgium, in San
Bernardino, we love we love having conversations
conversation in this country or dish countries conversation. why
don't why did he stop the conversation about why the
terrorists are doing this? Do we still remember why?
They hate us? They hate our demand. No. cracy and our
freedom? Yeah, that's the reason that's what they told us.
No, they hate No. We've heard very clearly they hate us
because we're killing them.
Oh, I guess that could be
Yeah. Shouldn't we have that conversation? It's never brought
up again. Just pay attention to it. Never do you hear? Hey, why
are they doing this? Oh, I forgot. Why are they doing this?
Because I think if you say because they hate our democracy
and way of life. I think you'd be laughed off television. If
you said it. They say it. No, I have no that this conversation
doesn't take place anymore. They do not say that anymore. Find me
a recent clip where they where it says oh, you hate our
freedoms. We know. We know. It's not religion. John, we know it's
not religion. It's not Islamist terrorism. We know that because
that's what we keep hearing. You can't day Hey, you've
islamophobe No, it's not about Islam. Okay, what is it then?
Well, I've got a bunch of clips. You just kind of I will that I
was gonna put into bands, but I may have to play them now.
Because you brought this up, okay. And this is a guy who
wrote a new This guy used to be a colonel in the army. He's,
he's a professor and he wrote his new book, base of itches his
name and, and he was on Democracy Now. And one of the
few things democracy now does well, is they bring people on
who just wrote a book that of course, it is always long, it's
always Yeah, of course. It has an angle to it. But they have
actually a deeper conversation than most people do, including
Charlie Rose. And who likes to have to talk about later but
just see if you can how much you want to put up with this. But
here's Bacevich Part One intro
US war in the Middle East as the subject of a new book by a
retired Army Colonel Andrew Bacevich, titled America's war
for the greater Middle East a military history. In the book
Bacevich argues the United States has been involved in
gigantic failed war with the Middle East since the 1980s.
That continues today with no end in sight.
In this new book, Andrew Bacevich writes, quote, as an
American who cares deeply about the fate of his country, I
should state plainly my own assessment of this ongoing war,
now well into its fourth decade, we have not won it. We are not
winning it simply trying harder is unlikely to produce a
different outcome. Andrew Bacevich is Professor Emeritus
of international relations and history at Boston University,
also author of several other books, including Washington
rules, America's path to permanent war, his son was
killed in action in Iraq in 2007. Professor Bacevich,
welcome back to Democracy Now. It's great to have you with us.
We will prevail, George HW Bush, we will prevail, his son, George
W. Bush, we will prevail. President Obama, have we
prevailed in any way?
Well, we haven't. And I have to say those are exquisitely chosen
clips, because they really do illustrate what's the point of
my book, and that is that we have been engaged militarily in
the greater Middle East, large parts of the Islamic world for
going on for decades. We've engaged in innumerable
interventions, large, small, brief, protracted, and we have
yet to come anywhere close to achieving our aims, whether
whether we define our aims as restoring stability, or
promoting democracy or reducing the prevalence of anti
Americanism. It's not happening, and arguably, our military
efforts are actually making things worse.
Okay. Thank you. Well, that's clear. Did AMY GOODMAN say,
well, maybe we should stop killing people. Maybe the
terrorism would slow down a bit.
What I would actually expect her to say was, Well, this has what
to do with global warming.
How does that fit in again, how can I back it in? How can I back
global warming into
this? Didn't manage to do that, which is a stunner,
although Zika is now being backed into that here. And oh,
yeah. In the States? Yeah. Is the Zika virus, we have to be
cognizant of global warming because it makes the Zika virus
grow. I want to hear a little more like this guy. Sure.
Definitely. Alright, let's play part two.
But interestingly, as you point out, before 1980, virtually no
American soldier had ever been killed in any kind of military
action in that part of the world. And since 1980, very few
have been killed, who were not in that part of the world. This
shift that occurred from the Middle East being largely an
area of influence or control by the European colonial powers to
the United States exercising such a huge role. How did that
happen?
Well, we Americans have forgotten. But prior to the
beginning of the Cold War, the United States was not a great
military power. We raised forces from time to time to deal with
some particular issue. But it was in the wake of the Cold War
that we as a nation decided on a permanent basis to maintain a
large military establishment. For the first several decades of
that cold war. The United States had two priorities. We were
willing to fight for Western Europe, we were willing to fight
did fight in East Asia, we were not willing to fight for the
Middle East that changes in 1980. Specifically, a particular
moment, in January of 1980. President Jimmy Carter in his
State of the smartphone, promulgates what's known as the
Carter doctrine.
We actually have a clip on that we'd like to go to that now.
This is Jimmy Carter January 23 1980. Delivering the State of
the Union address you mentioned lay now what would later become
known as the Carter doctrine.
Let our position be absolutely clear and attempt by any outside
force to gain control of the Persian Gulf region will be
regarded as an assault on the vital interest of the United
States of America nice work for a Democrat and such an assault
will be repelled by any means necessary including military
force.
Okay, so it was Carter who identified Democrat who started
that yeah, oh, no one knows but actually the reason why we have
terrorists is because of George W. Bush. That's that's that's
really the answer. Earliest JIMMY CARTER Yeah, turns out it
turns out Jimmy Carter was the was the first to throw down the
gauntlet. I didn't know that.
Yeah. Jimmy Carter's also, if you start looking into it are
responsible for the homeless situation in this country
because of some law changes that took place because there wasn't
a homeless problem before he came around. Really? Yeah, it
had to do with the with the sort of lending process or some there
was some specific thing. And it's been discussed before by
some of these guys. I just don't remember the details, but it
would traces back to Carter.
So we did okay, exacerbated by we did not have enough where
there were no homeless people.
There was it wasn't a homelessness that the way it is
now, where there's people all over the place, begging for
money was not a problem. Until Carter came along, and then it
started to become a problem. And then it became something people
focused on that if you remember that my favourite event was
hands across America.
I love that one. We got to I don't know, do we get to Peoria?
I don't. I
went across the country with a few gaps. Yeah. And it was I met
the guy, some dinner party egg Obama by the bought party as
years and years ago, obviously, in the 70s. I think 80s I was at
dinner with this guy who did and I got a little pin and lapel
pin. And they were dead serious. It was going to dis was going to
solve the homeless problem. And we've heard this over and over
again. I mean, it's just ridiculous.
Well, I'd like to I'd like to find out what that is. I'm
definitely gonna do some research on it. I'd like that. I
know what that's going. Yeah.
Then, of course, then when Clinton came around, again, gave
the bank's free rein to do anything they wanted to and let
the economy go to hell. Yeah. And it was even though we had a
balanced budget, that was the end of that surplus. Yeah. It
was they wanted to play a little more of this guy. Yeah, it's
good with me. Sure. I think it's interesting. Yeah, Bacevich
three was one
of the one of the things to appreciate it. Thank is it
Carter himself had no understanding of the
implications that would flow from that statement. What
happens on an immediate basis is that the national security
bureaucracy now redefines its priorities, and begins to orient
itself toward the possibility of armed intervention by US forces
in the region. And over the course of the next 10 years,
that process begins. Reagan sending peacekeepers into into
Lebanon, the initial jousting with Colonel Qaddafi in Libya,
support for Saddam Hussein of all people in what I refer to as
the first Gulf War. That's the Gulf War of 1983 88. Pitting
Iraq against Iran, with the United States coming to the aid
of of Iraq. So Carter starts the process of militarising US
policy, which, over time, deepens, becomes more frequent,
becomes more ambitious, and becomes more more costly.
Bringing us to where we are today in 2016, where we continue
to hear these speeches by presidents who insisting and
insisting that we will prevail, when obviously, we have not,
oh, man, this is good. It's surprising the democracy now had
this guy on for so long.
They do that once in a while. And it's always surprising to me
too. And there's yours too. And I cut a lot of this out. But
here's the wrap up, which is part four, which actually, to me
is it's got a couple of zingers in there that I just think are
interesting,
again, as a war for oil. I mean, the proximate trigger of
Carter's speech was the Iranian Revolution, which had produced
the second oil shock of the 1970s, combined with the Soviet
intervention in Afghanistan, which in Washington raised fears
that I mean, there are bizarre notions but raise fears that the
Soviets were going to march across Iran and, and attack
Saudi Arabia. So so at a time, when we were increasingly
dependent upon foreign oil to include oil from the Persian
Gulf, yes, we decided to fight for the region. But I argue that
there really was much more at stake than simply access to oil.
That in the context of the times, the war for the greater
Middle East really becomes an effort to refute the notion that
the United States is a country that has to take to accept
limits to affirm the claim of American exceptionalism of our
uniqueness of our of our special status in history in in the
world at large. Yeah, we're Monday holes.
Yeah, well, they're an element does does. That's quite an
element of
a wholeness in there.
My goodness.
That's a dead end. Yeah. Oh, here's another here's another
story. So this is kind of related to this. Here's the
story that again, no network, big shots. Nobody's playing this
story. Again, Democracy Now. picked it up because this is
perfect for them. They love this sort of story, but play this
clip which is slightly disgusting. This is the
rebuilding Afghanistan failure clip
a US Oversight Office has issued a damning report indicating the
100 $13 billion effort to reconstruct Afghanistan has
largely been a failure. The report details shoddily built
structures, dangerous roads, hundreds of empty schools, the
US Special Inspector General for Afghanistan reconstruction, John
Sopko, who is responsible for the report said, quote, 15 years
into an unfinished work of funding and fighting, we must
indeed ask what went wrong? Since 2002, the US has spent
more than $113 billion on reconstruction efforts, more
than the total spending on the Marshall plan to rebuild Europe
after World War Two.
How much was it John 1300, and
13 billion and all they got was some shanties and lean twos.
The apparently oldest schools, nobody's going into the schools.
In a row, this guy is sick. They won't fix you're on highway 80.
You know, along those lines, we also there was a $3 billion
dollar effort. That is not complete yet. The United States
USA ID has been paying for a wall to be built between Tunisia
and Libya. Yes, I
know. I've heard this. She's been his best. Very funny.
They're doing that.
Yeah, we're paying for it. And it's an actual wall. Because
yeah, we got the although if you look to the left, but I think
the real problem to us you will have is Algeria, that that's the
whole length of their country that borders on Algeria. I'd say
that's, that's a little more frightening. But what they
really don't want is they don't want ISIS I S dash is it
whatever I saw coming through their border with Libya, and
going on, I guess, populating Tunisia. Bam, we're paying for
that. So 100 and 13 billion. Where's the outrage?
They don't play the story. Nobody can be outraged because
nobody knows. This is crazy. This is a government report. And
the only news outlet depleted eating and I'm including Darche
of Allah and France 24 and all these other outlets have been
listening to I haven't been listening to China News that
much would they might be playing it. CNN witters or CCN or
whatever it's called. Democracy Now plays it because it's you
know, perfect Yeah, that's their model which is the slam the
country they really not pro American by any means. So they
play it and that seems like an odd thing that everyone should
be playing and this should be an outrage but nobody wants the
powers that be do not want an outrage. This keep the public
stupid is Kardashian news is all kinds of good stuff. It's very
entertaining. And voices. Back
Stop, stop. Oh my god. Kim is Snapchatting little photos of
their new baby.
Exactly. So that seems to be getting more attention. Yeah,
yeah, just total average. This is over $100 billion. It's
ridiculous.
That's a lot of moolah. That's what Apple owns
taxpayer money. What is this? This? This is going this is
corruption at his highest level. This is going to sound as
money's going to somebody.
Well, yeah, that's this is the thing that Trump keeps saying
there's all kinds of phrase waste, fraud and abuse. I'm
going to take care of it. Daddy will take care of it. I'm sure
he will. At this. There was a there was a refreshing moment if
we can switch gears from this. Yes, please. It was a refreshing
moment on CNBC, which I do like watching. And they had. This is
about North Carolina's anti LGBT law. Nice think North Carolina
This is the bathroom law. Is it not? Yeah, the Bathroom,
bathroom law and the bathroom law. The only people I really
hear speaking about the bathroom law are gay men. By do not hear
gay women. I do not hear straight women. I do not hear
straight men gay men is this is the LGBT will H LGBTQ q ia P the
what should be it's just the gay men yelling about it. So CNBC
had a transgender woman on who was a CEO of a company I think
it's a has to do with farming and produce pretty big company
in North Carolina. It was so refreshing to hear so much
because you rarely hear a transgender person talking about
the bathroom law. Everybody else is outraged.
And it's about what they shouldn't be talking about. And
it's
it's really the transgender people who would who would have
the biggest issue with a law like this. The toilet law Oh, my
God, what has become of my country. We have a law about
which toilet you can use. Wake up sheeple. Oh, you're insane.
Anyway, it was refreshing to hear a refreshing take and no
surprise, the person who would affect most transgendered woman
is like it, whatever. We're just moving on and we screw that.
Okay, different question.
You have a facility and Research Triangle Park in Durham. And
there's a huge debate right now about the anti LGBT legislation
out there.
What are you doing on it?
So we've joined together with IBM and Red Hat and many other
companies and expressing our disappointment and displeasure
to the government that's changing the dynamic. I think
over time, it will I mean, if you go to North Carolina, people
in North Carolina are awesome. And and certainly it's gone a
long way from the Jesse Helms days when he said he was going
to take Research Triangle Park and build a fence around it. But
when you move now, we would not move out in North Carolina.
We've got hundreds and hundreds of employees there. It's going
to be the headquarters of a future Oregon manufacturing
facility for us. So we love North Carolina. We love North
Carolinians. And I'm 100% confident the law will move in
the progressive direction they
fell just cancelled plans for an operation centre that had
planned for 400 workers to be there. It was a three and a half
billion dollar project. What do you think about the business
that takes that stance?
I think PayPal was just like, we got a reason not to open that
piece of crap. We're blues in my hand over foot here.
You know, Pay Pal. Maybe their workforce is more mobile,
because it's so much of like a cyber business, but we're like
we're doing like medicine and you know, and blood and stuff
like that. So people are stable. They have long term family
relationships, and we deal with doctors we deal with Duke
University, University of North Carolina. So we are embedded in
North Carolina. Okay, Martin, thank you. My pleasure.
Appreciate it. Great to see ya.
He's he she I don't know what she she will help. Absolutely
correct. The people of North Carolina are fantastic. They're
very creative. It's one of the best states I wait, how they got
into this mix of
grapes. Yeah. That's, it's odd, isn't it? That North Carolina
got into that? Yeah.
And it's, it's just a great state and the people are
fantastic. I love going to North Carolina. I've always had a good
time there. Well, good barbecue.
I'm glad you asked me. P Shi whatever. Because I have a
another guideline here for you. If you're interested from the
gate
trying to get this sis part figured out. Well, maybe
this will help. This is from G safe. And what is
this stand for? Is what does it stand for?
Okay, hold on a second. Hold on a second book of knowledge. The
definition of cisgender
I'm not sure what you meant by that question. Gay hater.
Yeah, let me try. Let me see if I can do this hold on a second
book of knowledge. Definition of C I S.
The word cis means an alliance made up of states that had been
Soviet Socialist Republics
No, that didn't work. Okay, but I have a handy little document
here which is in the show notes at 815 dot no agenda notes.com.
And this is from the G safe the Gay Straight Alliance for Safe
Schools. John, this is a safe schools. And this is titled,
What the heck is Pg p? Which of course is already a brain freeze
for many of us. Yeah, it
means a pretty pretty good privacy. Yeah.
No, no, no, no, no, no, no. Pronouns are everywhere. We use
them every day in speech and writing to take the place of
people's names. We use them without even thinking about it.
But have you ever tried speaking without using any pronouns? Give
it a try. Oops, I meant to say give speaking without using any
pronouns and try. Not easy, is it?
No brother, yeah.
Pronouns may not seem like a big deal, but they become a bigger
deal when you try to live without them. And for some
people, I think we should just live without pronouns, that
would be much better. For some people pronouns are a big deal
because other folks don't always use the correct pronouns to
describe them. A preferred gender pronoun. PGP is simply
the pronoun or set of pronouns that an individual would like
others to use when talking to or about that individual. So we
know all the the most frequently ones used ones I use, she her
him hit it, IU, etc. These are, okay, one way to make sure that
your GSA which I think is gay School Association, or club is
being inclusive and welcoming for transgender or gender non
conforming people, my God is to incorporate PGPs into your
regular intro activities. John, this is how we roll with our
regular intro activities. Do you have your regular intro activity
on file open? Yeah, so Even if you start every meeting by
having those present share their names ask them to share their
PGP as well. For example, my name is Jasmine. I'm a
sophomore, and my PGPs are she and her. Hi, I'm Diego. I'm 17 a
senior and my preferred gender pronouns are he him and his. He
wouldn't be so far do you want me to do one more? I
mean, this is this is I know, this is a this is a bottomless
pit.
Remember, just like sexual orientation, a person's gender
identity can be very personal and private, GSA members or
anyone for that matter. I guess that's gay, sexually allied. I
don't know what it is, should never feel pressured to control.
You should never feel pressured to share how they how you how
they identify if someone does not choose to share, and that's
great. And that information should remain tested. Because if
someone does does choose to share, that's great. And that
information should remain confidential within the GSA
unless the person has specifically said it's okay to
talk about it elsewhere. Everything is great. So here's
the activities we need to work on John number one, neutralise
it. For this activity, you will need at least two people and
some reading material. Do you have any reading material?
I have the list of clips?
Well, we can try that. This activity can be done in pairs or
in a larger group asked students to grab a book they are reading
for a class or for fun novels with a lot of character
descriptions and narrative work. And narrative would work well.
Okay, you really need to read a webpage or something, I think.
So you
have to let me find, oh, let me see Hold on a second. I'm gonna
give me a second here. And what I'm gonna do is I'm gonna bring
up something by Jane Austen. Perfect.
So you have to read for 30 seconds and replace all the
gendered pronouns she he her him with gender neutral or gender
inclusive pronouns. So that can be z for here. H IR here. Okay,
go.
Well, yeah, I'm still Gundam web you Russian me. So I typed in
Jane Austen. First of all, I'm sure I'll here's how you're
gonna get a kick out of this. I ended up doing I was in my email
so I ended up doing the search in the email inbox
Oh no. Oh, you're in squirrel mail. Of course.
I'm on Squirrel Man. Let me get hold on.
I think it's gonna be very hard to do this. I don't think you're
going to be Tuffy man I don't think you qualify for this kind
of talk. Thanks so
let's see Friday President let me see if I can find a copy here
we go. Fine. First published in okay here we go done kind of
structure what I want to show you the see the document let me
find it. Like you man probably pray Okay, here we go.
You have to turn every pronoun into a gender neutral pronoun,
and I recommend just do zeros or zero zer Z or zero, z or z IR z
are going to
chapter for a volume one. When Jane and Elizabeth were alone,
the former who had been cautious in deserved praise. Those Xur
praise of Mr. Bingley before expressed to Xur sister are very
much she said oh, gee he admired Ge Ge has given us what a young
man ought to be said. Sure. Makes it very It just brings the
quality of the literature really,
really brings it out doesn't it? Ah,
all right. Well, everyone can practice for themselves.
Remember PGP preferred gender pronoun, work on people do the
math people well, yeah, so
they did a number on the political scene on Bernie this
week. Hold on before you go there I just want to wrap up the
gay thing then I'm done. Oh, you're not where you don't have
it wrapped up the gay thing the gay thing is wrapping up right
from there to hug a Brit then gone. So while we are all messed
up about the pronouns here in the United States, and I mean,
we're messed
up, sis.
We're cyst up baby. Totally cyst up today. The French well,
they're boomerang boomerang around and kind of the right
direction. It was much they're much more liberal and
understanding and just their French you know, I'm impressed.
I mean, Tina and I are going to be visiting France. We're going
into Paris. Going to the Netherlands, maybe we'll hit
London if we're lucky. Nice to know that the Brussels, you
know, they picked up a couple guys in Brussels and they said,
Oh, we were actually planning on hitting France again. So it's
nice. We'll be there.
We'll probably go to meet up.
I'm gonna take that. We're going to take the train. We're going
to stop in Brussels and then go to Paris. I'll be fantastic.
And with your Eurail pass, that's the cheapest way to do
it. Yeah.
Anyway, so they've changed. There was a lawsuit going on
there and Perry, and I think this is a very, very good trend.
An employment tribunal in Paris has decided calling a male
hairdresser faggot is not homophobic. Theory says this is
because hair salons regularly employ gay people. The case
concerns a stylist who was sacked after not turning up for
work due to sickness. He launched a claim for unfair
dismissal after the boss of the salon mistakenly sent him a text
using the word. French employment Minister Maryam L.
Connery has described the verdict as scandalous. The
Tribunal agreed the term used was insulting. However, it
decided it could not be considered discriminatory. The
employee who wants to remain anonymous was awarded 5000 euros
he plans to appeal
Yes, grim in nature very
discriminatory. Yeah, discriminate discriminatory.
Yes, it's showtime to
celebrate it was not discriminatory.
That's a very strange story.
I like it. Hey, call them faggot.
Hey, can we do some sort of a news story so we can use the
word faggot over and over in the story? I think the guy was one
out of France.
I like the opening it's just that's one of the best opening
clips I've ever heard an
employment tribunal in Paris has decided calling a male
hairdresser faggot is not homophobic
that's a headline that's just a headline right
there that says I saw you should say
faggot is not homophobic oh my oh my oh my
Thanks Obama. Exactly. Good word. Obama Oh,
you're putting my Sanders ISO
no Sanders ISO always happy with that.
Thank you always a pleasure
Sanders got his got his butt handed to him by Charlie Rose.
Charlie Rose. Yeah, did you get a clip off of that?
I do. In fact, they have the Charlie Rose and this is the
only part of it he starts off slowly but this is where it
starts to go. This is as little as it turns out to be long he
had him on for five minutes and he was just going after him.
That was unbelievably because he had you know him and Hillary had
been going back and forth on some things and and so they were
promoting this idea that no Hillary is is is qualified as
it's just she was stupid with the whole thing was stupid.
Well, Charlie is friends with Clinton, isn't he?
Oh yeah, he knows he's Charlie's all in this whole thing was set
up was a setup I don't I think Sanders was an idiot for going
on. Do you mind if Charlie Rose eviscerate Sanders as political
don't
do you do you mind if I just do that? I saw real quick so I have
it for the entire show.
You Yeah, go for it. Yeah, employment tribunal
in Paris has decided calling a male hairdresser faggot I just
use this part calling a male hairdresser. Faggot is not
homophobic about just that
bit. That's perfect. That's
calling a male hairdresser faggot.
Like them
not homo phobic as to funny man. Okay, I'll
save that here. Okay, let me just test it. Make sure it's
working. There we go save. And here's the here's the ISO
calling a male hairdresser. Faggot is not homophobic. Okay,
thank you for that and wash your hands after eating any role
perfect.
Meat is coming up. Yes. Meat. Will you want to hear those two
together? No, no,
no. Why not? A male hairdresser is not homophobic and wash
your hands after touching any raw meat.
You amuse yourself. Why else
do the show? Of course I'm amusing myself and no other
reason for that. Okay, I'm sorry, back to our regularly
scheduled programming.
All right. Charlie, Rose eviscerates Bernie Sanders.
I have tried to run an issue oriented campaign which is what
I believe the American people want to hear. They want to hear
about what ideas we have to improve their lives, not just
attacking each other every day. But what I do have to say
Charlie, you know if we are getting attacked every single
day by the Clinton campaign, I want them to know we're going to
respond in kind, but I hope that we do not.
Which is interesting, the exact same words Trump used when he
said, Have you people call me on stuff, I'm going to respond to
the exact same words. He's getting the same treatment. Now,
the same treatment. I did you see how big that crowd was he
had over the weekend. Huge,
but I hope that we do believe Secretary Clinton is unqualified
to be president.
Well, does Secretary Clinton believe that I am unqualified to
be why can't
you simply say yes, she has some of the a first rate resume?
Hold on a second hold on a second book of knowledge. Is
Hillary Clinton qualified to be president?
I can't find the answer to the question. I heard thoughts
about life and public service. He's one of the most qualified
people.
She has wrong years of experience. She is extremely
intelligent. I want to say because she is, you know, I have
some experience, too. I have a pretty good record in Congress,
as the Senator, as a mayor, I think I am qualified to be
president. So to answer your question, you're right, we
should not get into this tit for tat. We should be debating the
issues facing the market at all. All I am saying is that people
are going to attack us if they're going to distort our
record, as has been the case time and time again, we're going
to respond,
people are saying the tenor of this campaign has changed. And
it's sounding more and more like the Republican
campaign. Let's not go no,
no. But take a listen to this. This is what you said. You said
that Clinton should have apologised for rock war deaths.
Do you really believe for Iraqi war deaths? This
is after I like
this, that Sanders, we explained, I don't think anyone
cares. But again, he's getting the Trump treatment from
everybody, because they're just taking little bits and pieces,
bits and bobs out of context.
Right? Totally out of context. And then Sanders is not handling
this very well, no,
no, what would you recommend he do instead of what he's about to
do?
Well, here's the way okay, play the way he deals with this, and
then I'll tell you what he
should do really, for a Iraqi war deaths. This
is after I was asked to apologise for the tragedy in
Sandy Hook, you know, put these things again, in the context
that it is, but are you know, I'm responding, you know,
attacks that are being made against me.
I'm asking where the tenor of this campaign is going. Is that
going too far?
You want to explain it now? Or we want to continue? Okay.
He asked him a question. Is she responsible for the because he's
making this point when he gives a speech is that she voted for
the thing. And then she says, Well, he is very light on gun
laws. And so he's responsible for Sandy Hook. That's it Sandy
Hook right. There. Now apply that to Charlie question again,
and his answer and then and substitute what I think he
should say, which is start with the word yes. Okay. Is she
responsible for the war? That work? Ah, right.
Yeah. He'd say, Yeah, he'd go. Yes. Instead, he answers the
question with a question more on
what he should say is yes, if I'm responsible for the deaths
of Sandy Hook, then she's responsible for the deaths in it
in the Iraq War. That's just the logic of it or he can go on from
there but he doesn't do that he goes, I mean, maybe we get all
wimpy
the preceding was a free sample of the curry Dvorak political
consulting group
for a Iraqi war deaths this
was after I was asked to apologise for the trash the
Sandy Hook, you know, put these things again context and by
the way, that would have been a good subtler things that Yes,
she is responsible for the Iraqi war deaths as much as I'm
responsible for the deaths at Sandy Hook by her logic, right.
And then boom, let it go. And that's not true. But he's going
to in Charlie and get flustered never put it on Charlie. No, it
was just attacking, attacking, attacking and he was just, he
did a crap job.
Well, I think what what Mr. Sanders is now witnessing was he
was not ready for it. Because he got kind of a free ride. cute
guy, old guy. Haha, whatever. But now the Clinton machine is
cranked up and focuses lasers on him. Nice for Donald Trump. I
might add really nice, actually. Yeah, I
think so. Now all that
abortion stuff is kind of, it's kind of forgotten.
Like, luckily for him, but I you know, I'm responding to attacks
that are being made against me,
and also, the viciousness of the Democrats because I like
watching this part just as much. The viciousness of the
Democratic Party and how they're fighting and I spoke to a number
of bots, although it wasn't really a huge political
conversation, but all of them are now using the hold your nose
and vote for Hillary line. And I say, you know, I'm so sad. You
telling me that you have to hold your nose was because of the
rotting smelling fish tank coming out of Hillary Clinton.
So you can vote for her and not puke. Is that what you're
saying? To which they say Thanks, Obama.
I'm asking where the tenor of this campaign is going. And is
that going too far to say she bears responsibility for Iraqi
war deaths?
Why bear responsibility for the tragedy in the world and hideous
horrors of Sandy Hook? So, you know, let's get off of that. Of
course, she doesn't bear responsibility.
He doesn't do he does the worst thing. He should totally Jama to
her there.
The war in Iraq.
This guy didn't know how to fight. He didn't know how to
fight. That was
a very bad vote in my view. The Why hold her accountable?
No. Do I hear your side girl in the chat room? Charlie Rose.
This is on the morning show. A lot of people watch that you
saying
to No, actually, this was the CBS Evening News. Oh, even more
people watch that. Yes. There's a lot of people that watch it.
And we went on for over five minutes. This is a huge segment
of vote. And then he carried it on to his own Charlie Rose.
The Why hold her accountable? No.
Do I hear you saying tonight that I'm embarrassed by these
personal attacks that are taking place?
All the leading us back that stop it? Yeah. Listen to him
leading the witness on this one. This is this sander should not
have put up with this interview.
We want to one he should not have put up with this.
Absolutely. But he has he got a free ride. Now. He's now he's
getting hammered. And he's gonna this I think is a turning point
for him. He has to learn how to defend himself. Or it's just as
you know, it'll get nowhere. And he is kind of winning some
states.
Now, I will say this, by the way. And you and you, as you
listen to this. This is on the CBS Evening News. No, none of
the millennials that are voting for Sanders. None of his
supporters listen to these shows. So he got away with that
one. This is only the old farts that listen to these new shows
that are all in for Hillary already. Um, all this as this
confirmed their voting decision.
Do I hold her accountable? No.
Do I hear you saying tonight? I'm embarrassed by these
personal attacks that are taking place. And all I have done is
respond to attacks. But I'm embarrassed and they are giving
a tone to this campaign that I don't like. I don't like the
fact that I have to participate in it. And I wish it would stop
on both sides.
Okay, John, what would the what would the correct answer be?
Well, I would like the correct answer. There's no answer to
this because he let him do it should have stopped me just
interrupting and putting words in my mouth. Yeah, something
like that. I mean, the idea you're,
I don't like that as a defence, because then you have to say
what the words were? I think that's
right. He's, this is just Charlie being a real pro. Yeah.
And he does this on his own show where he where he answers. And
Annette asked question in advance of say, well, you would
answer that question this way. Right here. You would say this
and this, then you'd say that, then you'd say this, then you'd
say that? And before you know it? Charlie's got your pin DIN.
Yeah, this is a tough one to get out of. Yeah, yeah. You
shouldn't say hey, you're pinning me in by putting words
in my mouth, putting thoughts in my head. This is not necessarily
the way I feel about these things. I'm glad that you see it
that way.
Or you could have just gone you just kind of go, Oh, my heart,
my heart, anything anything, I
have to participate in it? And I wish it would stop on both
sides? Because Bernie Sanders wouldn't do it good. Are you
willing to say that?
Look, you're looking at a guy who's been in politics for a
long time ran many elections, and the straight guy
willing to say that, and Sanders should have said, well, you're
putting words in my mouth? Am I willing to say that I'd had to
think about it. I mean, I don't like somebody telling me what to
say and what the thing actually there's, there's a key. I don't
like somebody telling me what to say and think. I think for
myself, I'm glad you have that thought that thought though and
something I consider. There's a lot of ways to get around it
other than Yup.
Who's been in politics for elections in the state of
Vermont. I've never run a negative ad in my wife. In this
campaign, as I'm sure you can appreciate. Every other day,
people are coming up to me and it's like, aren't you gonna
attack Hillary Clinton's emails? Aren't you gonna attack the
Clinton Foundation? And you know how many times I've done that
zero? Let me finish. You saw me in a debate, right? Yes. But I
was asked about emails. What did I say? I said, enough of these
damn emails.
Just want to come back to the Iraqi thing. One second. And one
more question.
back you have made up what's that?
Charlie circles back? Yeah. Because actually, Bernie there
did a slam that was a slam saying I'm not going to talk
about the emails bringing attention to them. I'm not going
to tell you about the Clinton Foundation bringing attention to
it. Yeah. So in an odd way, he's actually critical So Charlie has
none of it will go that way because he's controlling this
thing. brings it back to this Iraq deal.
You have made a point that she voted for the Iraqi army. Four
of the people did as well many other people. Do you hold all of
them responsible for the deaths know of Americans, then why say
it Senator
asked the question, but why? I am saying it because I was
attacked. You can't that's, that's not a reason, I promise
you to say. I'm saying it because they attacked me.
Well, I mean, I hope you were Senator Clinton. Am I
responsible? I look, you know, being asked to apologise, you
know,
I don't know. That's why we're asking
them for 2016. If Hillary Clinton is the nominee, you will
be supporting her.
I think the idea of a Donald Trump or a Ted Cruz presidency
would be an unmitigated disaster for this country. I will do
everything in my power and work as hard as I can to make sure
that that does not happen and if Secretary Clinton is the
nominee, I will certainly support him
thank you for coming.
Thank you always a pleasure
book of knowledge and it was weird definition of unmitigated.
The word unmitigated means not diminished or moderated in
intensity or severity, sometimes Used as an intensifier. Okay,
got it.
Just wondering. Meanwhile, of course, Bill Clinton got into a
beef. Yeah, that was kind of cool with Black Lives Matter. Do
you clip it that you have to play? Yeah, okay. Bill Clinton,
whereas loses it? Yeah. Okay, I've heard it.
Can I answer? Cities understands. This is what's the
matter? I don't know how you would characterise the gang
leaders who got 13 year old kids hopped up on crack and sent him
out on the street to murder other African American children.
Do you thought they were good citizens? She did. You are the
people who killed
What's this porn music? Oh, straight from the divorce
studios in northern Silicon Valley.
Music didn't notice the vamp before your time.
Yeah, someone got it somewhere. You know that Hillary. So it's
clear now Hillary must be present. Even if they can just
get her brain in a jar in the Oval Office. There'll be happy.
Yes, it'd be fine. Yeah, that's good. Futurama, Dick Nixon and I
heard from one of our producers who was close to the to the
Democrat camp, that this the illness Hillary illness is real,
and she has a blood clot and cannot be operated on. And this
will have to come out eventually. Because someone's
going to bring up the health aspect if she's elected.
Again, whoever they pick for vice president's going to end
up, you know, there's going to be more important than her.
Yeah. And who knows who that's gonna be? Well, I have no clue
about that, either. No, we
don't know. Right. We know. Well, I know who I know. I know.
It's gonna be one of the Castro brothers. Those the den the
Democrat roll, or I don't know what their names are. They're in
Texas there. Oh, that was getting that and that's gonna be
one of the Castro's Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes. Well, you gotta
get Latino. You got to. Yeah, I think one of the Castro boys.
Anyway, Matt Lauer interviewed Hillary Clinton. Thank you for
the newsletter, by the way. Nice picture of a dog
with a picture of a dog.
While you had a whole bunch of you hold a whole bunch of
Hillary pictures in there. Man, that was really I was. It made
me sad.
Really? Yeah, it was that one picture of her. She's like,
unbelievably gorgeous.
Yeah, back in the day.
Yeah, but it was like, and it's not that. That's what makes kind
of confirms I mean, she looks like someone who is ill.
Yeah. But her pupils were not big on this interview, by the
way. But a lot of people said that they thought that one
possible reason she may have really odd on the cough
suppressant and that that would give you the dilated pupils
during the Rachel Maddow interview.
Coughing Yeah, she needs to take something at least you had the
laugh going
once again in this one, the big cat as she actually addressed
the emails, again, with Matt Lauer.
And if I say to somebody on the Republican side, aren't you
nervous about what's happening with this campaign and this
division and what might have happened to the convention? Do
you know what I hear a lot. They are clinging to the hope that
the way they'll be able to deal with that is that at some point
between now and the election, and they say this, they say
this, that they will get to see Hillary Clinton in handcuffs.
Oh, my there will be some kind of political that based on your
private
I like that political perp walk. Possible title. I like that a
lot.
You some kind of political purpose that based on your
private email server that
Well, Matt, I know that they live in that world of fantasy
and help because they've got a mess on their hands on the
Republican side. That is not going to happen. There is not
even the remotest chance that it's going to happen. Have a
lawyer, your lawyer. So
how do you see this? And do you think the FBI and the Justice
Department write you a letter and say it was a
misunderstanding? We're sorry, carry on?
Well, we're certainly going to carry on I think it's it's it's
a security review. It is a security review. Oh,
okay. A security review.
A security review? Bullshit. Okay, nice. All righty. Well,
let me tell you, here's an example of an extreme bot.
Hillary bot. What are we what was the word we learned? Oh,
Hillary tarde. So mele untarred Killa. Tar now Hillary, Hillary,
Hillary. Hillary tard whatever the retard. Joy read. Joy read.
She said you know her from MSNBC joy.
Yeah, no worries.
Man, you know, the talking points are she's the most
qualified. Her resume is the best hold your nose so you don't
puke while you're voting for her. But she's really the best.
She's the best. She's a badass.
They just seem to be a double standard for women joy. What is
your takeaway?
Well, I you know, I think that if you look at Hillary Clinton's
qualifications, I mean, my God, you know, since the founding
fathers, has anyone tried to run for president with more on their
resume? So I think Nancy Adams, maybe, maybe John Quincy Adams,
Jefferson Adams and to get to go,
I've heard that before. And it's such bullcrap.
Isn't it? Great. That she is each he's better a
founding father. She's what been a senator reelected once. And
then she was Secretary of State and screwed things up. That's
it. But the wife of a president
look at Hillary Clinton's qualifications. I mean, my God,
you know, since the founding fathers, anyone tried the
President with more on their resume? So I think honestly, I
mean, see Adams, maybe, maybe John Quincy Adams, true, true,
true Jefferson Adams, and you get to go back like literally to
the 18th century to find somebody with a packed resume
that Hillary Clinton
didn't even know one since the 18th century. Has anyone been
eligible for president who has this kind of resume? And she's
never had an executive job. In other words, she's never been a
governor or even a mayor, which Bernie Sanders has been. She's
just been a legislator. Yeah. And then Secretary of State
which is which is just a job it's not like you're you're
running and you're running the State Department. But I guess
there's a little executive action there so Okay, fine. I
wouldn't
have beautiful cheese
like I think she's barely qualified if then maybe Are you
she's not qualified at all.
The not the not physically
done a very good job as Secretary of State when she did
have a management job. No. had their own server screwed that
up. Yeah. felon is a felon. Belen, she's a felon. So Toobin.
Now we should be she should be. So we have New York this week,
New York, New York. This is the big deal, New York. This is Don
de Donald hometown, New York. And, of course, Boston, Arch
Rivals Boston. I don't know if you saw the Boston Globe this
morning. That they had a fake front page that they printed up
they didn't make it the front page, but they put it in today's
paper and it was the Boston Globe Sunday, April 9 2017. The
headline is deportations to begin. President Trump calls for
tripling of ice force riots continue. Market sink as trade
war looms. US soldiers refuse orders to kill ISIS families.
These are all stories and then full stories. They're done. Or
at least the front page part of it. Bank glitch halts border
wall work. Trump won Nobel Prize shortlist this is pretty
unprecedented. I don't think I've ever seen anything like
this in an election.
This election is great. I know I'm thank you
so much. Donald and Bernie really both of us. Okay so
Toobin. We, what we have now we have a whole bunch of people
trying to punch down all kinds of camps is very confusing, but
we have a big end anti cruise narrative going on and it's a
good one. Because you know, what do we do? Well here in America,
if we want to really make someone look like an a hole, you
make them racist. You make them homophobic. Yep, you make them
Islamophobic good. But the best way there's one left, there's
always a good one, particularly in New York. You make him an
anti Semite, a Jew hater by Him do and I
think the new New York values thing is a big problem. I mean,
let's be honest. Remember what Ted Cruz said. He said, you
know, New York values are about money. And they're about the
media. That's an anti semitic trope from 100 years. It's been
around for a very long time everyone in New York, everyone
in the whole country understands what he was saying. And that's a
big problem once you get to New York, not just among Jewish
voters, but among people who don't appreciate those kinds of
stereotypes. Trump is going to hammer away on it, and Cruz can
try to explain it away. But you know, you can't explain what you
said when its meaning is obvious.
But he was he says he was referring to, to liberal
politicians in New York State. And he mentioned they mentioned
Cuomo, you mentioned Charlie wrangle Anthony Weiner. You
heard the list of the people he mentioned today, but but they
have nothing to do with money and media. Money and media is
June. I mean, this is just an old fashion anti semitic
stereotype money and derogatory term and everybody on
money in media is Jews, Jews, your Jew hater, Cruz hates the
Jews. Cruz against Jews lets us know what he actually said that
night. There are many,
many wonderful, wonderful working men and women in the
state of New York. But everyone understands that the values in
New York City are socially liberal or pro abortion or pro
gay marriage, focus around money and the media. And I guess I can
confirm it another way. Not a lot of conservatives come out of
Manhattan. I'm just saying
there was not a lot of noise about this being anti semitic
when he first said it. Was there. Maybe we might we might
have mentioned a couch money in the media in part of a long kind
of a diatribe. Yeah. So context. There's money in the media. It's
about money in the media. Yeah. That's it's a con York is a
financial centre. It's about money. That's money. Its
financial centres got all the find the whole downtown is about
finance. And the rest of the, you know, is publishing,
broadcasting, all that sort of thing. I think that would you
talked about earlier, those guys are in New York, the
syndicators, right. That's the media. And what else is in New
York, besides the money in the media is, you know, just support
stuff.
Are you really defending Ted Cruz? You know, he's, you know,
he's anti Semite.
Well, I do know he's anti Semite, but that's beside the
media, money and media as Jews. I mean, this is just an old
fashioned anti semitic stereotype, derogatory term, and
everybody understands
that we all get it. Well, you know, I'm
sure he's gonna dispute that. But let me move on to David.
Move on, move on. This one's for you. The shapeshifting Jews
never go. Hey, do you see what happened to Mashable?
Well, before you leave that, do I do want to play this Trump
thing? Oh, I'm sorry. Because I've got this Trump clip does
the CBS rap. CBS we know hates Trump. They're the they're the
most pro Hillary of the of the network's. And they brought in
the new guy, his new campaign manager who looks like some sort
of a bouncer at a major hotel major Casino. Nice. You seen
this guy? No. Oh, yeah. He's a new guy. He's got the stripes.
This pinstripe. big thick neck. Double Yeah. double breasted
shirt. He's got the kind of tight and he has his talk.
Sounds like one of those guys who does cold calling for
stockbrokers
for a boiler room. It is like a used car salesman.
And you gotta listen to this guy. You got two clips of
minutes. This is a good wrap of what's
going on with the camera. I can't wait to hear what this guy
is.
We are going to start winning again. Folks. Donald Trump's
new campaign chief Paul Manafort promises that billionaire
developer will win the GOP nomination outright. The reality
is this convention process will be over with sometime in June
probably June 7, and it'll be apparent to the world that Trump
is over the 1237 number. That's the magic number to secure the
nomination without a floor fight at the July convention. But Ted
Cruz has narrowed Trump's advantage with a win in
Wisconsin and likely new delegates support in Colorado,
Louisiana and North Dakota. You got to understand what the game
is. If the game is a second, third or fourth ballot, then
what he's doing is clever. But if there's only one ballot, what
he's doing is meaningless. This all has the makings of the 1976
contested Republican convention. When Ronald Reagan challenged
President Gerald Ford, Frank Donatella, he was a youth
organiser for Reagan.
At that point, the delegates ceases to be an extra on a four
night mini series where he supposed he or she are supposed
to applaud at the right times, and they become real agents of
the party.
Ford kept delegates in line by offering among other things
rides aboard Air Force One and seats at state dinners. The laws
governing incentives to delegates are murky, something
that candidates this year could exploit. And after a first
ballot, most delegates can switch alliances.
Could you you know, offer transportation or room and board
or something. I mean, there's a lot of ways to persuade
uncommitted delegates.
Trump could offer flights aboard his helicopter or luxurious
private jet a weekend at Mar a Lago club. A tee time at Trump
National but James ideology sometimes, Trump's trips or
presents and for conservatives crews may prove more attractive
than loot
Roomba that guy huh?
Oh, he's kind of toxic. He talks like a stock guy. I got some
stock for it. I'm just gonna be this we've done the research
this thing is gonna go I know it's gonna fly. It's we've got
it. You can get it now and get it now. Just
think this thing's pre rocket. This thing's pre rocket stage,
baby. It's gonna get by the likes. Do you? Would you like to
leave?
Money? Don't you want to make you want
to make so much money? Do you want to make so much money you
can leave your wife that's that's how much money you're
gonna make. You'd like to buy stocks and bonds.
With the sound, it sounds only sounds like one of the guests is
really good at Yeah.
Well as that kind of guy if he says don't worry about it. I
won't worry about it. Probably be good or be good. Don't worry
about it. So we talked about radios demise, which is well on
its way and doesn't mean it's being replaced by anything.
point that out. Things something just do go away. But the news of
Mashable pivot took me by surprise. I've been expecting
something I've been expecting one of these newfangled news
outfits to have to eventually, you know, fold into what really
what they really need to be but this one just happened. Did you
see this?
Yeah, I know all about it. Okay, well, I
want your input because what I what I understand is they're
going to get rid of news and editorials staff, and they're
going to do native ads in video.
Well, these all these guys are going through the native ad
thing. What they did was they do they're only getting rid of a
piece of the company that is was doing the political kind of the
high end news.
Right? That How about their tech news?
I think their tech news is intact. I
don't think so. I think so. Okay.
Well, what they're more into the original orientation of Mashable
was lifestyle bullcrap. Right? And so they their tech news was
kind of lifestyle. And the verge kind of took the same idea. And
they kind of amped it up a little bit. And Mashable when
kind of tried to get a broader scope. And they couldn't do it.
They didn't have they had people that was just causing too much
is they're doing videos, they were producing videos, and all
these things. Nobody was watching, because they were
still more interested in the Kardashians. And they were
right, in anything that somebody produced. The advice have that
stuff. Yeah, because they do a better job anyway.
Well, I think I think that's, I think that's what's happening,
John, I think everyone's trying to go after the vice model.
But I think they may have tried and they failed. And they just
got rid of that whole subsidy, they cut out the rest of it.
But if you if you see they've had three rounds of investment,
it's all been Turner, Time Warner resolve in the TV guys.
You're gonna get bought. Well, yeah. But basically, every year
they picked up 15 million probably cost about 17 million
to run the thing. And then now they're out of money again. And
now. So okay, you need a new round. Well, it's going to be a
down round. Hello, Silicon Valley, HBO. It's gonna be a
down round, and you have to show your revenue. And so this is how
you're going to do it. And you're going to be making this
stuff for us because you'll see that the video there'll be
producing will eventually wind up on Turner properties. But
it's about time this bullshit started to fade away.
Well, it's not fading away fast enough.
Anyway, I was just looking at that going, Wow, I know what
that feels like. And I know we'll never feel like that on
this show.
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About the student loan bad news,
student loan bad news. I didn't think there would be any good
news in that regard.
And new data shows more than 40% of people with federal student
loans in the United States are either behind on their payments
or refusing to pay entirely a non compliance rate that's
raising serious questions about the federal government's ability
to ever collect on these debts. One in six people have defaulted
entirely. The average student loan debt for last year's
college graduates was more than $35,000, making the class of
2015 the most indebted class in US history.
We're number one
big, big foam finger. We're number one in debt. We're number
one in debt. This is a Trump job in that in that townhall thing
where he screwed up the abortion answer. But he said that was the
number one question he gets from, from people who come to
the rallies. What am I gonna do about this debt? I think he
might. There might be ways to do something about it. Yeah, just
forgive it. Take a beating. Yeah, that's probably that would
be a good way for the country take
a beating and give those kids their money back. Yeah, they got
gypped. Anyway, first of all, they paid too much tuition. They
were ripped off. I mean, you borrow $15,000 to get scammed
out of it by the universities. Yeah. And then they shouldn't
did none of this should be happening. The universities are
part of this whole scene, this entire scheme to steal money.
It's ridiculous. They should just forgive the debts and let
the it's not as though the kids are borrowed a bunch of money.
They spent it on hot cars. And all you give them the kid of
free card. No, they got they got they got ripped off. And from
every which way, just forgive the debts and get it over with.
We forgive deaths and donations, forgiven debt to these kids.
Well, we could start with at least an equal amount. $113
billion would be a 10 to start. Now, whatever we spent in
Afghanistan, we can do it. Yeah. Right. Yeah. The worst part is
that these institutions have now become these places, you know,
safe spaces and shut up slave and don't say anything to offend
me. And,
you know, this is they brought this on themselves. Because if
you're charging the public school, you're charging
somebody, I don't know. 15 $20,000 to go there. Yeah,
they can make a lot of demands on you and they do. So the
schools just knock the lenders take the money. Build a bunch of
needless buildings. I saw rageous it is
yeah, the president said something. Yeah, once again,
we're talking about the Supreme Court nominee and now you're
reading article was about the constitutionality of how could
or couldn't went by boring, dull, boring. But the President
made a really racist joke. And I just want to point it out that
is racist and it's not okay. When I look
at Merrick Garland, that was the person that, you know, the
differences in Supreme Court is it just a handful of seats come
up at a given time now, I pointed a Latino woman and
another woman right before that, so yeah, he's a white guy, but
he's a really outstanding jurist. Sorry. I think that's
important, racist. Oh, it's racist. It's a racist joke. It's
outrageously racist. And everyone's laughing. Oh, yeah,
that boggles my mind. How can you do that?
Get over it. Whitey.
Yeah, I was reading about this new brand of satellites that
it's called, we see bits, like the follow up to the cube sats.
And, and these things are, are so small and so light that to
deploy one into a low Earth orbit. Today, if you want to
deploy a CubeSat, you're probably going to pay about
$30,000 to build it and, and launch it and get it into orbit.
But these, which within the next year, will be launchable for
around $3,000. What? Yeah, they're really tiny. And I'm
thinking we should launch one,
we'll launch one that just broadcast rebroadcast to no
agenda show worldwide.
Well, that we can't do that legally. Why?
Since space, there's, there's lost its face. What are you
gonna do? Okay, I'm sorry, oh, I don't know what to stop it. Now.
Well shoot it down. Well,
we could do two things. One, it could be a beacon it could it
these are very small, you can't I don't think you can really,
there's no way we can't be broadcasting, you know, full
cycle transmitter doesn't work. That way. You can do bursts you
can beacon. But more importantly, you can relay we
could and we could set that on a you know, a certain setting or
that you can't just access it, but we could have our own
satellite and anybody with you know, $25 I'm not that I'm
suggesting you should work without a licence, you should
probably just get your licence and you can use this $25 Chinese
piece of crap. And you can talk to you can communicate via the
satellite. Three grand
Yeah, I'll look into it.
And so that and you know, if the grid goes down, we'll still be
able to communicate around the world. Yeah. I can hear your
enthusiasm. I'm not quite sure what to do with it though.
Waiting for the grid to go down. I
I thought it'd be kind of cool. We could have a beaconing no
agenda all the time. And then we could just have it as our own
personal little travel
agenda dot
radio, guys, ham radio is the public service network of last
resort. Haha, when the apocalypse comes? Where are the
guys who are going to save the world? Right?
Just doing my part, everybody. Look into it. Do the math
people.
All right. You had that plane flying around the other day that
this story has kind of intrigued me. This is the odd story about
the surveillance planes.
Oh, yes. They finally have told us kind of what they were doing.
A new investigation by BuzzFeed has revealed the FBI and the
Department of Homeland Security are flying dozens of federal
aircrafts over major US citizens every day. The agency say
they're not using the flights to conduct mass surveillance, but
the BuzzFeed investigation shows the planes fly in slow circles
and are outfitted with high resolution video cameras. Some
planes are also equipped with cell phone tracking devices.
Yeah, that would be the via the was it the Viper? The stinger
Scorpion here, the stinger. Stinger the scorpion. Yeah, that
was dumb. Yeah. Stingray thing. Right.
Thank you. That's it.
I would like to ask you a question. What is a major US
citizen? What does that mean? They're flying over major US
citizens.
I didn't hear that.
Citizens. Really? That's what they say to US citizen.
Oh, let me hear that again. That's fun.
A new investigation by BuzzFeed has revealed the FBI and the
Department of Homeland Security are flying dozens of federal
aircrafts over major US citizens every day, you know?
Wow. Oh my god.
It's probably more truthful than we know. Now. You major US I
think I'm flying over you For real I think I'm a major US
citizen. Dang Well, there was more security theatre going on
but very very disappointing. And of course this also got no
coverage C span has been reasonable of late. Some good so
I know you watch three usually for the book TV. This was okay
now actually
booked TVs exam two. Ah. Okay on the weekends,
I thought it was on three. Okay, it'd be wrong. So you recall,
there was a they didn't make a lot of news, but there was a
breach in the insecurity. They let Atlanta airport and it was a
gun running operation. And so a guy would come in, you know,
through the tarmac because he worked a airside on the on the
sterile side as they call it. And he would bring it in duffel
bag of guns about 100 guns, and then he'd leave them in the
restroom in the sterile area. And then the passenger who had
already been through TSA checkpoint, had then picked it
up and took it on the plane. And, of course, Atlanta took
measures. But these measures were supposed to have been taken
care of a long time. In fact, there was a hearing on the hill,
Senator Bill Nelson, Democrat from Florida, had a lot of the
right questions and it's rather long, but just to hear a civil
servant, the guy who's answering on behalf of the TSA, he is the
administrator Peter Neff injure, lying, just lying. I'm just
coming up with bullshit lies. It's it's really astounding how
just how inadequate This is. And people should be outraged
because we are not being protected whatsoever.
Things that were not done in Atlanta, that allowed over 100
guns to be transported into the airport, then the employee goes
up into the sterile area into the men's restroom and transfers
the weapons to a passenger who has come through security.
Atlanta has now complied. So that's Atlanta, Miami, Orlando.
What about the rest of the 297? airports? nationwide?
Senator, I had exactly the same question.
That's how you started off, you know, Hey, man, I can't wait to
do it. That's exactly the question. I had Senator about
the rest of the 297 airports nationwide.
Senator, I had exactly the same question. And I am I it was a
wake up call for Atlanta. And as your as you've noted that they
put a lot of measures in place,
both the private sector What about the other 297?
So I earlier this year, I ordered a detailed vulnerability
assessment across the entire system for those other airports
that you mentioned that that assessment, the results of that
assessment are coming in this month. And that the purpose of
that assessment was to ask that was to answer that very specific
question. First and foremost, what What have you done? But
what's the nature of your insider population? Who are the
employers question? What are they doing?
What have you done? The
answer is that there has been a lot of movement in terms of
reducing security access points across the system. There's been
a lot of movement, movement, great
and a lot of movement, John, hey,
we're working here. There's a lot of movement, we've got
movement going on. It's movement.
It's just a classic. This is what happens when you work in
the government for a while. He's just picked up a lot of
buzzwords and phrases. And he's just throwing and one after the
other, no connection to one, two, no logic, nothing just
blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And the
worst part is, this is our security that we're paying for
and he hasn't done it, the work is not done at all. Well just
listen.
across the system. There's been a lot of movement, a lot of mu
greatly enhanced the oversight of that. Yeah, insider
population, both but yes,
there's a lot of movement to enhance the oversight of that
insider population. You know, that's gonna if I ever get
married again, that's my wedding vows,
right oversight of that insider population both by TSA as well
as by the employers a lot of movement, what I can't touch as
well. And what I'm going to have to provide to you and report is
once I get once we evaluate all of these are in that's going to
drive us to add requirements into the aviation security, the
airport security, it's going to drive us
to add what is fabulous this guy like
all of these that are in then that's going to drive us
toward double talker. Yeah, add to be a comic act is important.
Double talk, oh, this is about more money,
obviously into the aviation security, the airport security
plans for each of those airports to take the best practices that
we're finding from Miami from Orlando from Atlanta, Atlanta,
Atlanta, Atlanta, Atlanta drive those he doesn't know the three
airports that have done anything he can't even remember to the
other airports across the country. I was concerned that we
hadn't had a lot of specifics on that. So
administrative. The best practices are obvious You have
to check the airport employees. So is your testimony today that
nothing has been done?
No, sir. That's not my testimony we have done we've done quite a
bit we are checking. So TSA itself has increased the number
of inspections of employees by five fold. Just in the past five
months five
fold, it was five times worse. What is going on? A
guy's just blathering. There's not contributing anything to the
conversation. And I'm sure the senators are like, flabbergasted
listening to him.
And we do that ourselves when you don't
have enough resources there news, and then the,
to get the airports to do it. And they are doing that. Give us
the report. And that's coming your way, sir. Because we're
evaluating I wanted to give you good specifics from these from
the vulnerability assessments that we conducted so that I
could give you specific answers to airport by airport to exactly
the question you're asked, but I just didn't have those are all
due this week, this weekend, the deadline for getting compiled
that report and we'll get it to the
right. Prompt on in time to the report to this committee. Since
that was such an obvious question that you were going to
be asked
Hello. He didn't have his homework done?
Well, I think the answer I would have to that is that I didn't
have an answer I would have to that is I felt adequate.
specifics.
It looks like an administrator. This is exactly what you'd
expect
specifics, to satisfy this committee on the specific
measures taken. That's why we went back and I ordered a very
specific vulnerability assessment airport by airport.
It was done on a very short timeframe was done in
conjunction with the recommendations from the
Aviation Security Advisory Committee. It was done in a way
to ensure that I could give very specific answers and more
importantly specifically in place that said that said
greatly enhanced the oversight and airports have greatly
enhance their oversight already. So it's not as if nothing has
been done. I just, I want to know exactly what it has been so
that we can we can insure across the entire system.
Yeah. Meanwhile, there's an amendment that went into what is
that into House Resolution? 636. More Viper teams visible
deterrence is going to be on both
sides. That's gonna stop the guy doing the smuggling of guns.
Yeah,
they say visible deterrent, a viper team. So they're going to
double the amount of Viper teams. Thanks, Obama. That will
be a trains and buses and sports events and oh, yeah, airports.
Sure. airports.
Yeah. All right. Okay, so I've got a How are we doing for time?
We should wrap it up. Okay, let me just play. I was I can save
the hug of Britt for Thursday. Sure. I
don't know if I can wait that long.
Well, how good bread is something going on in advance of
the of the Brexit vote. And so the a bunch of EU they will put
his EU citizens living in Great Britain. Great Britain is in the
EU too. So it doesn't make a lot of sense. But okay. And they've
decided but it turns I haven't listened to this woman that they
had this on. I think Deutsche Avella, or trans 20 for one of
the two but this woman just seems like a German spy, trying
to create this, this hugging thing but the thing is funny
because it turns out she never hugs anybody. But listen to this
play hug in Britain, you get the gist that
hugging a Brit. But there's a lot of that going on tonight.
Joining us now from London is the founder of the campaign, the
journalist and historian Tessa shifts. COVID says, I hope I did
not butcher your last name there. If I did, please, I
apologise. Let me ask you that what inspired you to set up this
campaign?
Well, I'm actually not the founder. I'm a member of EU
citizens here in London and we decided we want to send a love
bomb to the British people want them to leave the European a lot
of numbers and facts and figures being discussed now in the Pro
and the Leave campaign, in the remain in the Brexit campaign.
And we think it's important to emphasise that the European
Union is not only about economy, it's also about making Europe a
better place to cooperate about all the things that we have to
talk about. So it's what we feel here in Britain at the moment is
a bit of a lack of emotion. So we try to add this by our
campaign and we offer to hack the press wants to stay in place
don't
go. I keep hearing hack the Brits. I'm not sure if the
campaign is
hearing flow. Frau bluger A hawk the Brits, and
she should be wearing a black outfit with
the Brits, and hack the Brits.
Today yourself
what each of us is actually having maybe one or two
doesn't help anybody.
Pack them. It's supposed to be a mass movement on social media
and it works. Now, each other we're gonna know,
Hocking, we have you change your avatar to hacking a Brit. Oh,
you know, the Dutch newspapers are now filled with stories
about how the Russian propaganda turn the ascent of the
association agreement with Ukraine into the no because the
Russians had better propaganda we need to do more propaganda
the government needs to step it up. Do you believe that? Yeah, I
believe it is. Um, no, it's just crazy. And the Dutch people like
yeah, man frickin Russians rooskies What you do man damn
Russia's are screwing it up for us. Don't do that man. Getting
involved in our internal politics.
That's right. That's right. All right, but it's been well it's I
think we covered most of the bases I'm not sure what the next
week will have in store although always some up
is always something anything. Bottle Yeah, today at 430 in San
Antonio there's the Spurs and the Warriors game which will be
the worst have to win this this set to break the old record for
a number of wins in a single season. So the only second team
in history to do 70 wins. And they're trying to get 73 but no
one has beaten the San Antonio Spurs in San Antonio all year
outstanding. So it'll be good game and the words are tired
since they played last night. But it'll be interesting in some
ways. Basketball fans book of
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a new goal is clear, but causes decent people to live in fear a
new power that allows us to get your browsing history from the
internet. But let's not forget this will affect everybody and
it will protect nobody. That's fine. You can inspect anybody
who disagrees with me. That's why I want to spy on everyone
all the time. Some people say that's fine. But every time you
go online, every email you sign file feed watching you and my
message to the caterers, I want your communications data. As our
power will extend politicians and their friends can manipulate
it for their own ends, every text you send every Facebook
friends, I'll be watching you.
See, your mobile phones will all belong to me. Every one of you
call anyone at all every day in every way to resume and I will
be watching you. We will look after that. Wherever you turn,
we will be right behind. We will not let you live in private. We
will use everything at our disposal to find out about you
and your family. And we will never forget what we found.
This is my position. I don't need reasonable suspicion. But
if you find online petitions expect to the Spanish
Inquisition. Think of your
own smartphone. It's no longer than no Gozer. It's under attack
because we will have all the technology you own. What can I
see with these new capabilities? For me the answer
straightforward. It's your supermarket rewards and your
national health service records. It's all the information you
give to any corporation. Every conversation in every situation,
every communication, every website you use everything you
do every day in every way Theresa May and I will be
watching you thank you
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