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Hey Brad, this is terrible. Adam
curry, John C. Dvorak

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is Sunday, January

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1 2017. This is your award
winning give on nation media

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assassination episode eight,
nine

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or one this is no agenda.

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The only broadcaster so we work
on holidays and broadcasting

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live from the darkest corners on
the internet here in Austin Tay

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hostinger region six in the
morning, everybody. I'm Adam

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curry

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and from Northern Silicon Valley
where Plato say, no more Plato

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and 2017. I'm John C. Dvorak.

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Really? Yeah, that's how we
started off. Yeah, no more Plato

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in 2017. No, no, I'm so sorry.

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By a WWE the PLATO book to no
agenda. Plato says book. Well,

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it's interesting.

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You bring that up, because I
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really do New Year's
resolutions, I think this will

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be the year 2017. I finally get
my podcast device out. Oh,

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fantastic. Yes. And you will get
your cycles book out and the

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vinegar book and the playdough
book. Yep.

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Well, those books are giblet. So
they're not going to be real

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hard to do well not to cycle
through the cycles book before

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June. So that's like in a rush
mode.

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You really got to do that one.
That's the one I think is most

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it's the cycles up. Yeah, you
kind of want to do that before

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the cycle gets here. Yeah,

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otherwise, I look like an idiot.
Although I've been talking about

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it for years. I looked like an
idiot anyway.

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So what can I get done? What'd
you do last night? Am

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I going to do right Hillary?
What am I going to do?

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What were you alone last night
and when did you have family or

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what was going on? What do you
do for the news? It's show prep.

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Yes. Okay. I did the same. Yeah.

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And I worked till midnight watch
the fireworks display and went

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to bed. I have to go to bed
early because they gotta show me

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to know the show is takes
precedence. So we don't have any

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fun.

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Now Tina, I went out for dinner.
And you're Austin is strange. I

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don't understand that. On July
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o'clock. It's okay. Fine. For
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Eve. You do the fireworks at 10
o'clock? I don't understand. No.

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That makes no sense. They did.

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Yes. Oh, we are fireworks yard
midnight. Like you're supposed

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to be that's

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what it shouldn't be. I know
this is tip. Are

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you kidding me? Are you telling
me that in Austin, Texas? Yeah.

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Fireworks were at 10 o'clock.
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sure that there was a committee
meeting. Oh, the children have

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to sleep. Whereas that was kind
of the point of

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I'll find out I think at 10
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aggression.

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Let me see 10pm for I didn't
actually look it up. I'm just

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wondering if there's anything
about that. I'm sure that it's

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all the children but again that
was that was kind of the here it

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is free family friendly
celebration in downtown Austin.

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There it is. My goodness. Let me
see what they morons. Boston's

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New Year will transform okay,
but Baba

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and dementia Jumba 10 o'clock is
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No, of course it's not New
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the kids. wasn't the kind of
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that kind of the fun part of New
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you know to stay up late

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Yeah, that you get to stay up
until midnight. Fun champagne

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champagne toast. Yeah, exactly.
Is you'll get a little bit yeah,

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you'll

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get a little buzz.

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Bustos parents Yeah,

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not not anymore, man. That
anymore. Nope, nope, nope.

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However, of course, we did have
an opportunity to watch some

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very funny television. A number
of great things going on as I

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did that for show prep. Oh,
good. Yeah, first, I did none

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of that. I didn't zip. Okay,
your shows?

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Sorry. Well, they're always
gonna be drunk. Well, there was

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one in particular you

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know, I got the sense that this
segment always kind of leads to

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the conclusion of drunk Yes. The
jingles a giveaway?

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Yeah. So I watched two different
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forth. I always have to watch
Kathy Griffin with Anderson

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Cooper. I find her to be usually
quite answered drunk. Yeah,

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drunk. Yeah. i She was good this
year. In previous years. She's

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really yells and and just a
little too much, but she was

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pretty funny. Then I watched Of
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Rockin Eve with Ryan Seacrest,
man, you gotta that's pretty

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cool. If you had been dead for
10 years and your name is still

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on the on the show.

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I know somebody who works with
Ryan sequined crest. Yeah.

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Apparently the guy is like, he's
just on the ball for like 18

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hours a day goes from meeting to
meeting with like a handler who

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just got to stop up watch. Then
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and bang bang bang. This guy is
the next deck Clark.

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Oh, he is Yeah, no doubt. So I
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moment. But

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the CNN show that they were
tossing all over the place, and

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Brooke got to Don Lemon on. Who
later in the evening had his ear

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pierced live on TV, which is
hello 1987 Boy, that was a big

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deal then. Now Oh, he got into
fears he was hammered. Listen to

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this.

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I always live my life to the
very fullest and yes, you do.

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The thing is I need a little bit
more balance in work life. I may

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be open to a relationship this
year. I wasn't before. Breaking

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news.

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Don Lemon is open to a
relationship

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being available to be in a
really bad I'm a bad person

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today. I'm not selfish. I'll
give you my cell center. Yeah,

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I'm not gonna be as self
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They're gonna be less self
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But I don't really do
resolutions and I live my life

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to the fullest. I don't care
what people think about me. I do

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what I want. Because it's my
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Craft God, I'd fire him
immediately quoting Shirley

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Bassey on New Year's Eve,
everybody.

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Oh, man. I'm too self centered.
You think?

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Overnight legend Don Lemon
everybody. Bunky Moon celebrated

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New Year's by becoming a stand
up comedian. Monkey meet of

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course Secretary General of the
United Nations. This is his last

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lie last night was his last day
in office. As we have a new

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Secretary General incoming and
he stood there with the crowd

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and just crack jokes.

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The United Nations Secretary
General Ban Ki Moon is spending

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his last full day in the office
before standing down. Well, this

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was the same building in New
York as he said goodbye to his

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staff. He will be replaced on
the first of January by Antonio

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Guterres, he was the former
prime minister of Portugal there

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Mr. Ban was in a rather cheerful
mood as he made these farewell

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remarks.

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Now I feel a bit like a
Cinderella everything changes

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I'd have to do all my own.
Tomorrow night. On the eve of

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New Year, RV in times of sperm
for the porn trap. Do your porn

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drum videos of people will be
watching as I lose my job

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man, now

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he's gonna show he's going to
show what he said what I don't

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understand he's going to the
sperm bank. Yes, the

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sperm bank, the ball drop by
drop to render IRA. Finally, the

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guy's doing some funny as he's
leaving.

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I think he was doing something
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time.

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He's highly regarded, though.
Until you for some reason. Big

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to do at Mar a Lago in Florida.
The President Elect stopped

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briefly to talk to the press.
Tell everybody what he thought

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of the Russian hacking and you
know, Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. He's

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not messing around. Well,

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I just want them to be sure.
Because it's a pretty serious

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charge. And I want them to be
here. And have you look at the

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weapons of mass destruction.
That was a disaster. And they

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were wrong. And so I want them
to be sure. I think it's unfair,

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if they don't know. And I know a
lot about hacking. And hacking

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is a very

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he knows a lot about hacking
man. He knows a lot about it.

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But you think he's just a
builder?

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I don't know. And I know a lot
about hacking. And hacking is a

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very hard thing to do. So it
could be somebody else?

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Yeah. Would it be cool if he
just popped out a laptop brought

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up a command line? So let me
show you let me trace route over

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here. I'll show you exactly
what's going on. Now that would

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be a good thing

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to prove. So it could be
somebody else. And I also know

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things that other people don't
know. And so they can not be

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sure of the situation. You know
that other people don't know

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you'll find out on Tuesday or
Wednesday. Make America Great

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Again. Okay,

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so how about that he's got info,
and we'll hear about it.

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We might identified this issue
before when when I played that

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clip of him from some time back.
He had obviously had access to

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the 28 missing pages of the 911
report.

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Yeah, yes, he lets that out.
Yeah, exactly.

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So he actually may have some you
know, some and he's got Flynn

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working for him. Flynn knows
what's going on. Yeah. I slammed

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him I was watching the wrap up
the news wraps and all these

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stations

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was good for you before you go
there. Thank you for the

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newsletter. Thank you for just
stating it exactly how it is.

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But bull crap celebrity culture
in the world.

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That was that on the show a
couple of times. Yeah. But

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you wrote it was a good
newsletter it was and before we

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get into the Trump's, I need to
mention one more thing. I think

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we saw a tipping point as it
comes to celebrity worship and

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culture. The number one thing
that was tweeted, was Mariah

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Carey's debacle on the Ryan
Seacrest show. Did you hear

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about it? Did you see it? Cuz I
know you went to bed. No, no,

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no. And no, this is great. So it
took a quarter to midnight. And

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you know, I'm always looking at
how the shows are produced

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because I've done New Year's Eve
shows on Time Square. I friend

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of mine was in the truck. He was
line producer for the for the

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Ryan Seacrest show that he was
actually putting stuff on

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Facebook and you know, pictures
and then all of a sudden he's

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like, it wasn't my fault. So
what happened? She walks out and

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I know exactly what happened.
Whatever you read bull crap.

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This is what happened. She walks
out and Aiden Ryan Carrie, you

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have to understand she has this
Mariah is world she has a

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reality show on E which by
chance Tina and I happened to

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catch on Friday. We caught like
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fans? No, absolutely not. And it
is it is a bit she lives in her

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own. And I know this universe. I
know this world. And it's all

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women and they all have to be
single and they can't cry when

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something goes wrong. And you
know, it's just she is she has

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he's oblivious to anything
outside of her own bubble. Like

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really anything. And she's
extremely annoying. Which she

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wasn't always but she's had an
interesting career and tough

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light and I will put above
everything else. She's very

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talented. But she's gotten into
this thing, which and she's

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starting a world tour. And this
was supposed to be the kickoff

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15 minutes before midnight.
She's gonna do three songs can

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you get ever get just before the
ball drops? And I saw it the

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minute that started, they
started Auld Lang zine, her

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version, and I saw her react
late. So when I got lip sync,

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okay, lip sync, good. And it was
great. It was okay, that's good.

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Then she goes into the second
song. And it's the wrong track.

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It is the track that she uses in
concert to sing or you know,

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when you're singing live for
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So it doesn't have her vocals.
It only has interestingly enough

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some of her flaws your let is in
there, the

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that stuff? I can't do it.

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And so and so she notices that
there's no vocals, and of course

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your mouth is opening and
nothing comes out because

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there's no vocals on it. And
then she just she freezes. And

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her mic in her mic is put open
now. So she's talking to the

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crowd. She's like, Oh, well,
okay. Hey, sound guy. That's you

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talking crap. Oh, I'll just let
the audience sing. Meanwhile,

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this thing is just going on the
background. It's only the

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background vocals. And then her
flagellate, which is really,

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really, you know, shows you that
that is meant to be on the tape,

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even when she's singing live.
Then the dancers are like, Oh,

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they're trying to get back into
the choreography. And they they

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pick her up. And they try to do
some of this dumb choreography.

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wearing nothing like a horror.

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It's just crazy. And so the
whole diva thing falls apart and

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she winds up walking offstage.
And it's ignored, ignored

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throughout the rest of the
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nobody even said wow, no, no,

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no, of course no. Social media
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die in 2016 and Mariah Carey
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the stage. Yeah. And it was in a
way it was a tipping point

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because then they of course,
they go to the pre tapes. And

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ABC was going to lie on El Ricci
in Vegas, who was onstage at a

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concert completely lip synching
that was really egregious. And I

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do want to say to the 1000s of
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It's lip synching.

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Oh, that's a new one. So somehow
that got out of control

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lip singing really? Okay. So I
hope although it's made

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just a whole lot of say he gave
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concluding.

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I'm okay. I was going to but go
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What happened? Well, nothing

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happened except that everyone.
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Mariah Carey, you know, her
career's over she's dead never

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can never do anything again. At
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like, oh, we just discovered,
strangely enough that all these

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shows are fake. Da. Tom hoping
that people see that everything

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is fake.

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I know. What am I thinking?

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You think it was a screw job? I
want somebody in the engineering

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department that got chewed out
earlier.

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No, I think it was her. No, I
think it was her multitude of

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little minions who I've seen on
her show running around who were

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just idiots. But the kisser as
they kiss her ass, I was good.

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The funniest response was, you
know, Mariah Carey blames Putin,

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of course, for hacking her audio
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probably the best. That's a good
one, the best tweet that I saw.

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So that was New Year's Eve. Sad,
sad state of affair. Very, very

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sad.

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But I didn't watch any of that
crap.

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Oh, no, you can rely on me to do
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Yeah, well, I'm glad that you
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besides that, especially the
feeds is new. Yeah, they already

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played this is like a rerun.
Anyway. I'm surprised you didn't

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cut it out of the.

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I wonder if they might have cut
it out of the West Coast feed?

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I'd like I haven't checked that
yet. But that was that's what I

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think is the timing

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issue. If they do, I don't think
they can really cut it out. It's

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too much work. Yes. I mean, you
cut that out. You got to what do

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you got 14? Plates, board ads?

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There was a lot of that.

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I'm sure that I will say one
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these football games. Uh huh.
Just the beginnings, and then I

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spared watching it I gave up.
But I have to say I admired the

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Washington, Alabama game. For
the national anthem. They

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brought out two giant college
bands, both of them, put him on

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the field and let them play the
national anthem. Oh, we didn't

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have some crazy singer out
there. Go, you know, hamming it

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up.

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Oh, that's just fun. Yeah,
that's different. Oh, that's,

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that's what I was saying. When I
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everyone should do. Yeah.

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Yeah, well, maybe we're finally
entering the era of celebrities

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don't matter quite that much
anymore. Since they can't

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actually do anything. They
couldn't get Hillary elected.

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They're not going to stop the
Trump inauguration with their

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bogus live concert.

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That it was just totally
disrespectful. I think it's

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gonna hurt them more if they
actually do that. If they do

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that concert, they're through.

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Yeah, I agree. I agree.

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I mean, I think at some point,
some smart guy will say, hey,

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you know, maybe we shouldn't be
doing this. Just let's let's

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back off.

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Maybe just coincidental but it
was actually the national

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anthem. That was Mariah Carey's
previous disaster. Remember that

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the after 911 2001 No, I don't
think I have to stand for that.

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We liked it. Okay, I should have
pre produced it. Forget about

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it. She's a disaster. Yeah, I
think it's a good idea to do

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that with with just bands and I
love a good did they do real

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Caden stuff? They do like real
glad

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to have to have to have it was
played straight. They were

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standing there. Nice. No, no
bullcrap. Try watch the end of

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the lot of these. The end of the
year shows I NBC did a great

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tribute everyone who's dead. And
then pretty much I was looking

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for somebody I know who they're
gonna not say. And I was looking

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but no, they covered everybody.
It went on forever. Every dead

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person was listed. And it's
actually Russia writing him

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down. And I say everybody's in a
lot of people died in 2016.

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Because they die every year.

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I think in 8080 for something
there were many more celebrities

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so called celebrities who died
if there was up near 170 or

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something. Maybe this was not
the worst year ever.

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Well, it was a start. Yeah. This
is an old lawyer joke. Sorry.

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Sorry. I said now. Yeah. Couple
of things we should. I was

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noticing all the rundowns for
the 2016 what happened? They all

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I made my kind of my own list of
stuff that was forgotten. I

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don't know if you can think of
anything was forgotten. But just

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to mention a couple. Okay, the
Panama Papers.

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Panama Papers is a good one.
Yes. There was no question. No

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not mentioned in the remember

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that in the Panama Papers led to
the resignation of the prime

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minister of Iceland if remember
that. Yes. And Iceland. Allah,

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you don't like to talk about
sports. They won the Euro Cup.

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Their soccer team is you know,
this little bitty thing. Yeah,

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you're mumbles Yeah. All right.
All the shooting the Charlie

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Hebdo 2016. I believe so. Yes.
No, no. As a couple of things,

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those weren't mentioned on the
rundowns. The turkey coup was

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apparently forgotten already.
Yes. Cameron quitting was

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forgotten already. Nobody in the
rundown has mentioned Dilma

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Rousseff the Brazilian head to
Brazil is getting ousted by a

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coup

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I you could go down the street
in anywheres Ville America and

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say, Hey, what happened in
Brazil with a coup and people go

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like, huh? No, yeah, no, this is
we are.

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This brings me to a contrast. I
got a couple of clips a rundown

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of Britain. RT has this show
called going underground. It's

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about it's it's caters to the
British. And it's about British

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news. And there was a couple of
things I picked up out of there.

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And just to give you a tease,
this is one of they brought

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these colonists in from various
newspapers. But there was a

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tease in here I've got where is
it? Or did it a British run down

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to British run down three? Oh,
yeah, this? Well, this is

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actually pretty interesting that
you're talking about people not

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knowing anything. Here's a guy I
think he's from the telegraph

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came in and he started
discussing what 2016 2017 is

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going to be like, and he equates
it to various years in history.

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And then he goes into the
understanding of the Brexit

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strategy, which he believes is a
bogus strategy. But I just got

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the biggest kick out of a guy
coming on. And the British would

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they would pick up on his
Americans to go What's he

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talking about? What is what
happened in 1848 Bleh British

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rundown predictions acknowledges

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that we're living through quite
momentous times, but I think

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that 2016 has been a year like
1848.

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What was 1848?

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Well, eight to 1840 was a
revolutionary year in buddies.

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This is on the European side of
the of the motion and 18 for us,

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1848 was, you know, just a
prelude to the discovery of

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gold. Ah,

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yes, another Yes. 1849 Yes.

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Okay. 1848 But you're like,
maybe like 1917 It's a year when

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there's been a maybe 1990 I
think 79 a year when the

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existing orders are being
overtired. It's very hard to

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second. Your minds. People who
review wines. Oh, this wine.

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Yeah, this 2015 is very much
like it's a little bit like, oh,

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I don't know, a 9096 maybe made
they made me be 95. And they go

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on with this sort of thing. And
unless you're like in the know,

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you would have no idea what
they're talking about.

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I got to ask you a question.
Last night at dinner,

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which was a Jeff are going by at
slow speeds.

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slow speeds. Yeah. For
everybody. At the restaurant,

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they said oh, we have a special
on wine this evening. We are

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offering a Moishe Chandon.
Normally $110 per glass tonight

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only $55. And I'm like, what?
For mo A? I'm sorry, don't carry

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on. I'm sorry. Don't carry on. I
said what year? Is it? 2004. Now

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you are the expert. We did not
order this obviously. Is that at

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what did should the price be for
a glass of 2004? Domperidone?

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Well, you can figure it out for
yourself. But 2004 They're all

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the Dom Perignon your vintage.
They're not all not all vintage

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are the same. But 2004 is
credible. The bottle, it would

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cost probably between 120 and
150 bucks.

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So that's the retail.

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And I don't see it much cheaper
usually. And so you would

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project the $5 in glass. Some
markup they're making money at

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55.

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No kidding. Yeah, my baby drink
up your your vodka martini. An

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order that

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you want to do is you throw it
back at the guy. Do you have any

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growers? Here's the key. Do you
have any growers? Champagne? Oh,

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man,

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Abidan only known this I could
have made the day?

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Yeah. Do you have any grower
champagne? And he could the guy

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goes, pump up Bob, then you
know, he doesn't know what he's

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talking about. Right. And it
should know what you're talking

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about.

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Let's go back to your clip being
overturned.

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And it's very hard to predict
whether the who's going to be

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the prince Messam nekkid for
counter revolution 2017. Or

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maybe there won't be maybe it's
going to, again, together pace I

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think is more likely to get a
pace. The

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reason I'm saying the counter
revolution may be either the

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Supreme Court or politicians in
Westminster because of course

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the biggest issue politically in
this country. Obviously it's

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Britain leaving the European
Union in this

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country it is. I don't see that.
You know that the Supreme Court

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or parliament, big business or
Tony Blair that formidable

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figure will be able to prevent
any of this happening. What's

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your impression of the
preparations for this process?

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Now?

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I think they're very well, look,
I can see exactly what's going

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to happen. I think it's, it's
all quite well set out now that

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you're going to basically Mrs.
Mays strategy is to stay in the

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European Union without actually
belonging to it, if that makes

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sense to you.

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Really? Well, that's certainly
not what she's saying. Exactly.

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Well,

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I think one of the first, maybe
a political correspondent

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eventually learn that you must
always watch what politicians

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are doing that what they're
saying that out, you can see

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what exactly what she's
maneuvering to do, which is to

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basically keep Britain as much
as possible in the single

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market. And conceding in return
a great deal of freedom of

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movement

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in your hearing this whispered
around so CEOs of big major

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companies in the civil service
worrying about the fact there's

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been no big preparations for
revolutionary change. They can

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take heart from this, it's going
to be stable.

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Well, this is what the Mrs. Mae
is trying to do, whether how

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that will many ways. It's a
betrayal of what people voted

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for. In 2008, on June the 23rd,
that's what she was doing at the

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moment.

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Well, if that wasn't bad enough,
here's a very short clip of a

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different guy. He was
interviewed on that show another

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columnist from one of the
newspapers, and it's very short

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clips of the UK Diddy on
rundowns. Again, you have to

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listen carefully because he's
breads. At this level, they are

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very hard to understand not

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much easier than Bunky moon,
honestly. Hey,

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right. You ever listen to the UK
Diddy? This is a good one.

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Careful. Alright, here we go.

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So basically, Jeremy Corbyn Ale,
he'll be gone by staying in the

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European Union to be a second
referendum and why do you want

446
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to talk about a lot less?

447
00:26:45,960 --> 00:26:49,530
second referendum? Nice. Not
sure what Loch Ness has to do

448
00:26:49,530 --> 00:26:49,920
with it?

449
00:26:50,190 --> 00:26:54,840
Well, hey, it had to do with a
disguise. It would. I didn't

450
00:26:54,840 --> 00:26:57,360
want to keep the whole clip. But
he was showing that if you'd bet

451
00:26:57,360 --> 00:27:01,140
one pound bedding. And

452
00:27:01,350 --> 00:27:06,660
London I will say had probably
the most spectacular new year's

453
00:27:06,690 --> 00:27:11,850
fireworks synchronize music
display I've seen. It was you

454
00:27:11,850 --> 00:27:15,420
should look at it on the
YouTubes I mean, really

455
00:27:15,420 --> 00:27:23,910
phenomenal. Very modern. Great
music. Impressive. Impressive.

456
00:27:24,570 --> 00:27:28,470
Good. Buddy had some to liven
things up. Let's go back. Can we

457
00:27:28,470 --> 00:27:31,800
get back to this rundowns is the
same guy that talked about the

458
00:27:32,190 --> 00:27:35,880
1848 goes on this is British run
down to

459
00:27:36,180 --> 00:27:39,360
and you've written to there will
be a statue of Faraj some

460
00:27:41,010 --> 00:27:42,780
statue of Faraj Nola,

461
00:27:42,810 --> 00:27:46,830
now I want to stop right at you
have Farage and the guy has an

462
00:27:46,830 --> 00:27:50,190
explanation for it. And that the
only reason I want to stop there

463
00:27:50,190 --> 00:27:52,980
and mention this is not to pat
ourselves on the back, because

464
00:27:53,190 --> 00:27:56,490
there's no reason to do that.
But I remember when we first

465
00:27:56,580 --> 00:28:00,060
picked up on Faraj, which was
about seven years ago. Yeah.

466
00:28:00,510 --> 00:28:04,470
Very early on when we were the
getting into the shows the model

467
00:28:04,470 --> 00:28:08,070
that we have today, and we got
nothing but grief from our

468
00:28:08,070 --> 00:28:08,910
British audience.

469
00:28:08,940 --> 00:28:12,570
Oh, yeah. Racist. A whole Why'd
you even don't give him

470
00:28:12,570 --> 00:28:13,740
exposure?

471
00:28:14,160 --> 00:28:19,050
Yeah, he's, he's a loser. This
guy's a racist. And he's a

472
00:28:19,050 --> 00:28:23,370
racist crank and you guys are
off. You're wrong. You guys are

473
00:28:23,370 --> 00:28:27,270
wrong to be even mentioning him.
He's not important. You think he

474
00:28:27,270 --> 00:28:30,240
is he's not important. And we're
not these are the people from

475
00:28:30,240 --> 00:28:34,380
the country sending us notes.
And but we saw something else.

476
00:28:34,380 --> 00:28:38,730
We saw some sort of we had an
insight into his like, who he

477
00:28:38,730 --> 00:28:42,060
was he was talking to people
like to say truth to power a

478
00:28:42,060 --> 00:28:45,120
phrase. I don't like that much.
But he is the one doing it.

479
00:28:45,120 --> 00:28:49,590
Yeah. When he was giving the
speeches at the at the EU, but

480
00:28:49,590 --> 00:28:53,700
not the euro. European
Parliament. Yeah. Anyway, so

481
00:28:53,700 --> 00:28:54,720
that's gonna get a statue.

482
00:28:55,680 --> 00:28:58,200
Well, that's a prediction. I
presume it's not. It's not

483
00:28:58,200 --> 00:28:59,730
actually predicted, but I think
it

484
00:29:00,180 --> 00:29:01,590
doesn't know those reason.

485
00:29:01,889 --> 00:29:04,529
And I mean, you've written to
there will be a statue for Arch

486
00:29:04,769 --> 00:29:05,609
somewhere, maybe.

487
00:29:06,030 --> 00:29:09,270
There shouldn't be amazing. Most
I simply said that he's the one

488
00:29:09,270 --> 00:29:12,360
of the most significant post
World War Two politicians in

489
00:29:12,360 --> 00:29:15,450
this country, probably two or
three, most of you know, this

490
00:29:15,450 --> 00:29:18,510
fellow who started with, I
remember him 20 years ago, this

491
00:29:18,540 --> 00:29:23,910
sort of lunatic in a posh coat,
you know, in a trilby hat,

492
00:29:24,450 --> 00:29:27,600
handing pamphlets to commuters
at railway stations. That's how

493
00:29:27,600 --> 00:29:30,960
it began. And he's ended up by
changing British history. That's

494
00:29:30,960 --> 00:29:35,160
an amazing thing to do. And he
never will be. There should be a

495
00:29:35,160 --> 00:29:36,090
statue to him.

496
00:29:36,690 --> 00:29:40,560
But you'll never be forgiven by
elites, presumably. Well, of

497
00:29:40,560 --> 00:29:40,920
course,

498
00:29:41,820 --> 00:29:45,540
history has makes different
conclusions eventually. Because

499
00:29:45,540 --> 00:29:45,780
part

500
00:29:45,780 --> 00:29:49,140
of that Brexit vote then became
Of course, certainly on the eve

501
00:29:49,140 --> 00:29:51,570
of the Brexit vote was the
entire British economy will be

502
00:29:51,570 --> 00:29:54,090
destroyed almost
instantaneously. Now there has

503
00:29:54,090 --> 00:29:56,640
been massive rise in
homelessness. We've seen NHS

504
00:29:56,640 --> 00:30:03,090
strikes, we've seen it all sorts
of The impact on social justice

505
00:30:03,120 --> 00:30:05,370
could have been talked about,
but in pure numbers apart from

506
00:30:05,370 --> 00:30:07,170
the devaluation of the pound,
which is good for projects,

507
00:30:07,170 --> 00:30:10,620
borders, things don't seem that
bad. I don't see

508
00:30:10,620 --> 00:30:14,280
that these strikes isn't. I
don't relate those to Brexit.

509
00:30:14,490 --> 00:30:18,540
Maybe you do, but I don't I
don't see this much. And social

510
00:30:18,540 --> 00:30:22,440
justice issues. Perennial like
they don't have much to do with

511
00:30:22,710 --> 00:30:23,460
Brexit.

512
00:30:24,060 --> 00:30:29,190
That was just austerity. But
then, but a lot of the

513
00:30:29,190 --> 00:30:32,430
establishment economists their
reputations in tatters after

514
00:30:32,430 --> 00:30:35,790
predicting that Britain could
only exist as part of the

515
00:30:35,790 --> 00:30:36,930
European Union or die,

516
00:30:37,590 --> 00:30:39,870
or die, die.

517
00:30:40,890 --> 00:30:42,750
We heard that and yeah, sure we
did.

518
00:30:44,520 --> 00:30:49,170
And last week, just as a little
mockery of the, you know, we

519
00:30:49,170 --> 00:30:50,880
have to remember, there's a
number of things that people

520
00:30:50,880 --> 00:30:53,520
will listen to the show, if you
want to understand the

521
00:30:54,060 --> 00:30:57,960
international aspects is that
the British Parliament mocked

522
00:30:57,990 --> 00:31:01,560
Trump, and we played clips a
couple of times on this to an

523
00:31:01,560 --> 00:31:02,580
extreme and

524
00:31:02,580 --> 00:31:04,590
they just they said, We
shouldn't even let him into the

525
00:31:04,590 --> 00:31:05,100
country.

526
00:31:05,610 --> 00:31:08,460
That was the debate, there was
actually a debate in Parliament,

527
00:31:08,490 --> 00:31:11,550
whether they should ban him from
ever entering the country,

528
00:31:11,760 --> 00:31:13,860
thinking of course, it had no
chance of winning, and this

529
00:31:13,860 --> 00:31:16,800
would be just a good political
thing to do. And they have

530
00:31:16,800 --> 00:31:20,880
banned people to the radio talk
show. Michael Savage. Yeah,

531
00:31:20,910 --> 00:31:27,030
Michael Savage has been banned
from England for hate speech. So

532
00:31:27,030 --> 00:31:30,120
that's the last one, which is
kind of mocking the British

533
00:31:30,330 --> 00:31:30,990
government,

534
00:31:31,230 --> 00:31:34,260
because Nigel Farage was one of
the first senior politicians to

535
00:31:34,260 --> 00:31:41,280
greet Donald Trump. Will that be
the defining moment of 2017

536
00:31:41,340 --> 00:31:44,070
however, 2017 goes when he's
inaugurated in

537
00:31:44,940 --> 00:31:50,040
2017, that has the glorious
Faraj meeting Trump while the

538
00:31:50,040 --> 00:31:53,100
British ambassador some
unfortunate bureaucrat called

539
00:31:53,130 --> 00:31:58,920
Derek calcaneal to pick up these
telephone calls, and put all of

540
00:31:58,920 --> 00:32:02,130
his money on the State
Department and Mrs. Clinton. And

541
00:32:02,130 --> 00:32:05,520
so Paul, Derek, is hopeless as a
British ambassador in

542
00:32:06,210 --> 00:32:11,700
Washington. He's of twiddling
his thumbs, Eddie back input

543
00:32:11,730 --> 00:32:12,960
messages back to London.

544
00:32:13,680 --> 00:32:17,250
How can they make these kinds of
mistakes and it's a bit like the

545
00:32:17,250 --> 00:32:17,730
Brexit.

546
00:32:19,590 --> 00:32:23,460
British ambassador in Tehran in
1979, there's a character called

547
00:32:23,700 --> 00:32:26,340
Anthony Parsons greatly
respected, glaring victories.

548
00:32:26,340 --> 00:32:29,130
But the fact is, he was setting
back politics right up to the

549
00:32:29,130 --> 00:32:32,520
last minute and the Shah of Iran
is completely safe. In other

550
00:32:32,520 --> 00:32:35,460
words, these guys don't
understand. This has been a year

551
00:32:35,460 --> 00:32:38,040
in which the or the so called
experts these are Bachelors in

552
00:32:38,040 --> 00:32:40,680
these countries and so on have
been completely whose job it is

553
00:32:40,680 --> 00:32:43,020
to know what's going on have
been completely clueless and

554
00:32:43,020 --> 00:32:46,890
blindsided by events. This is a
very momentous things which are

555
00:32:46,890 --> 00:32:47,310
happening.

556
00:32:48,149 --> 00:32:52,679
Well, he's right about that.
Yeah, it's a beautiful time to

557
00:32:52,679 --> 00:32:54,419
be alive and to be broadcasting

558
00:32:54,780 --> 00:32:57,720
is a beautiful time to have the
no agenda show. Oh, yeah.

559
00:32:58,260 --> 00:33:00,810
Because we fly in the face of
all the information that

560
00:33:00,810 --> 00:33:04,080
everybody else is providing that
and from people who are being

561
00:33:04,080 --> 00:33:09,990
blindsided. Yeah. Yes. And that
guy you were talking about on

562
00:33:09,990 --> 00:33:14,700
the last show comes up shows up
now on PBS David Korn.

563
00:33:14,760 --> 00:33:16,770
Oh my goodness. You got a clip
from him.

564
00:33:17,580 --> 00:33:19,140
I have three little clips.

565
00:33:19,590 --> 00:33:20,820
Beautiful. This guy

566
00:33:20,850 --> 00:33:22,560
corn and corn and

567
00:33:22,590 --> 00:33:26,010
Brooks. Oh, what happened to the
other douche?

568
00:33:26,340 --> 00:33:30,570
He probably took the day off. Uh
huh. Now corn comes on as the as

569
00:33:30,570 --> 00:33:33,390
the kind of now both of both
both of these guys hate Trump,

570
00:33:33,390 --> 00:33:38,280
which doesn't make for a really
interesting kind of argument

571
00:33:38,280 --> 00:33:41,250
because there's no debate. It's
just boy Trump's sucks. Yeah, he

572
00:33:41,250 --> 00:33:45,450
does. He sucks he sucks bad he
sucks bad he says worse than bad

573
00:33:45,450 --> 00:33:48,450
is worse than worse than bad. So
you have these two guys doing

574
00:33:48,450 --> 00:33:53,460
that. And and they have this a
couple of you. This is the I got

575
00:33:53,460 --> 00:33:57,390
three clips of corn in Brookes
outrageous analysis, they do not

576
00:33:57,510 --> 00:34:01,230
think that Trump should not only
not have won the thing, but he's

577
00:34:01,560 --> 00:34:06,540
both of them kind of imply a
corn for sure. Corn goes beyond

578
00:34:06,540 --> 00:34:10,110
implying he comes out and pretty
much says that, that Trump is a

579
00:34:10,110 --> 00:34:11,370
Russian spy.

580
00:34:13,020 --> 00:34:14,640
That's the guy that's the guy.

581
00:34:15,420 --> 00:34:18,240
Ready? Yeah, word rages analysis
central

582
00:34:18,240 --> 00:34:19,860
level, which is more or less
unprecedented. We'll

583
00:34:19,860 --> 00:34:23,460
start talking a little bit about
Russia will the sanctions that

584
00:34:23,460 --> 00:34:26,340
we've imposed, keep the Russian
hackers out.

585
00:34:27,780 --> 00:34:30,450
Now, the you know, it's so
disproportionate. I mean, they

586
00:34:30,450 --> 00:34:33,870
interfered in our elections. And
we like penalize them, whatever

587
00:34:33,870 --> 00:34:37,170
we're doing. Underground. We
don't know. Now, this is going

588
00:34:37,170 --> 00:34:40,440
to be a big issue. And I have to
say that the Obama at the Trump

589
00:34:40,440 --> 00:34:45,390
position is a mystifying but be
doomed. He has a nice little

590
00:34:45,390 --> 00:34:47,910
Putin bromance going on right
now. I think

591
00:34:48,000 --> 00:34:51,960
anyone who says bromance should
just be beat to death.

592
00:34:52,890 --> 00:34:56,010
Now, do what's interesting about
him when he brings it a

593
00:34:56,010 --> 00:34:59,970
bromance. He makes this dire
prediction which is so often

594
00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:04,920
rails are can't wait, no with
absolutely zero foundation. It's

595
00:35:04,950 --> 00:35:06,300
unbelievable to me

596
00:35:06,330 --> 00:35:10,800
mystifying, but be doomed. He
has a nice little Putin bromance

597
00:35:10,800 --> 00:35:13,590
going on right now. I think
we're gonna get a hankies

598
00:35:13,590 --> 00:35:16,290
because there's going to turn
into an ugly relationship within

599
00:35:16,290 --> 00:35:18,840
a year or two the things that
make them symbol similar.

600
00:35:19,050 --> 00:35:22,320
They're machismo, they're
expansionary braggadocio is

601
00:35:22,320 --> 00:35:24,810
going to turn them I think into
bitter and dangerous enemy

602
00:35:24,840 --> 00:35:27,540
Braga dacha isn't a
braggadocious he's saying

603
00:35:27,540 --> 00:35:28,980
Brighty Italian now brigade.

604
00:35:29,520 --> 00:35:32,070
I think it's I think it's
pronunciation is correct. But

605
00:35:32,100 --> 00:35:36,780
But braggadocio expansionism, he
says he backed up a little bit,

606
00:35:37,020 --> 00:35:40,920
what expansionism are we talking
about the Russians doing that

607
00:35:40,920 --> 00:35:43,890
phony baloney little election in
Crimea and just pretty much

608
00:35:43,890 --> 00:35:46,830
taking over the place that meet
because they needed it because

609
00:35:46,830 --> 00:35:51,720
it's their base or the that
area? That's it, what other

610
00:35:51,720 --> 00:35:57,030
expansion is are they doing? I
mean, we are for sure, yes, but

611
00:35:57,030 --> 00:36:00,330
it's not even us as NATO. So
what is I don't even know what

612
00:36:00,330 --> 00:36:01,380
he's talking about.

613
00:36:01,890 --> 00:36:03,690
I have an interesting clip, but
it won't be ready until

614
00:36:03,690 --> 00:36:08,010
Thursday, because we have a
number of Russian speakers. And

615
00:36:08,040 --> 00:36:13,980
I've, I've basically recruited
Sergio. I said, Look, I need you

616
00:36:13,980 --> 00:36:18,090
to do translated voice of
Vladimir Putin when he's saying

617
00:36:18,090 --> 00:36:21,510
really important things. And he
did it for me. But I said

618
00:36:21,510 --> 00:36:24,210
anymore, boris and Natasha, so
he's going to work on that. So

619
00:36:24,210 --> 00:36:28,290
we will finally have clips that
we will have finally of clips

620
00:36:28,290 --> 00:36:30,540
that we can actually hear what
he's saying because he was all

621
00:36:30,540 --> 00:36:33,780
about all the bases that the US
has, versus what Russia is

622
00:36:33,780 --> 00:36:37,260
doing. Very interesting. So
that's coming that's coming. But

623
00:36:37,260 --> 00:36:39,030
yeah, expansionism, please,

624
00:36:39,480 --> 00:36:42,750
there machismo there,
expansionary braggadocio is

625
00:36:42,750 --> 00:36:45,480
going to turn them I think, into
bitter and dangerous enemies.

626
00:36:45,750 --> 00:36:47,790
And he will look back on this
moment where we thought Putin

627
00:36:47,790 --> 00:36:51,030
and Trump were so close as a
woman, a bitter irony, when they

628
00:36:51,030 --> 00:36:54,060
get into a schoolyard display
against each other amping up

629
00:36:54,090 --> 00:36:57,450
each other's worst tendencies,
and putting the two countries in

630
00:36:57,450 --> 00:36:59,970
some sort of scary position.
That's just my field, how things

631
00:37:01,770 --> 00:37:05,760
let me hear that, again. My
feeling, a feeling that's gonna

632
00:37:05,760 --> 00:37:07,620
happen is great.

633
00:37:08,250 --> 00:37:11,550
Each other's worst tendencies
and putting the two countries in

634
00:37:11,550 --> 00:37:14,070
some sort of scary position.
That's just my field, how things

635
00:37:14,070 --> 00:37:15,090
are gonna go in the next year?

636
00:37:15,720 --> 00:37:17,250
My feeling because I'm the next
best case

637
00:37:17,250 --> 00:37:22,410
scenario. I don't necessarily
see it going that way. I still

638
00:37:22,410 --> 00:37:25,800
am mystified to use your word
about why Trump is out there

639
00:37:25,830 --> 00:37:30,240
tweeting praise of Vladimir
Putin these days, and still kind

640
00:37:30,240 --> 00:37:32,910
of denying, dismissing this, you
know, whether the hacking

641
00:37:32,910 --> 00:37:35,610
happened or the seriousness of
it, and people out there keep

642
00:37:35,610 --> 00:37:40,620
asking what is behind this
bromance before the election, I

643
00:37:40,740 --> 00:37:43,740
reported a story about a
counterintelligence officer from

644
00:37:43,740 --> 00:37:48,180
another service, sending reports
to the FBI, saying that his

645
00:37:48,180 --> 00:37:51,930
sources in Russia were saying
that Moscow tried for years to

646
00:37:51,930 --> 00:37:55,140
cultivate and Co Op, Donald
Trump. I'm not saying that

647
00:37:55,140 --> 00:37:59,640
happened, saying the hope the
FBI, because it really is hard

648
00:37:59,640 --> 00:38:05,280
to believe that a president
elect would be so callous in how

649
00:38:05,280 --> 00:38:08,640
he approaches this issue. It's
so dismissive of the seriousness

650
00:38:08,640 --> 00:38:12,780
of it. And so maybe he'll turn
on Putin, as you suggest, but

651
00:38:12,780 --> 00:38:16,230
maybe there's something else
there in which he is enamored

652
00:38:16,230 --> 00:38:19,410
with Putin, for some reason that
we don't really understand yet.

653
00:38:19,530 --> 00:38:22,530
Oh, my goodness, this is so
tiring.

654
00:38:23,250 --> 00:38:27,330
And he also makes his the way he
presents it as Oh, he's talking.

655
00:38:27,390 --> 00:38:31,350
He talked to a counter
intelligence officer quote from

656
00:38:31,350 --> 00:38:35,790
another service. We're now what
is what what what does he mean

657
00:38:35,790 --> 00:38:40,530
by another service? We don't
have any services discussed? No.

658
00:38:40,650 --> 00:38:42,930
In other words, there's no
discussion. There's that like,

659
00:38:42,930 --> 00:38:44,790
they were talking about the CIA
that he says, I talked to

660
00:38:44,790 --> 00:38:47,670
somebody from another service.
They didn't do that. They were

661
00:38:47,670 --> 00:38:50,580
talking about the CIA, the NSA,
anything, he just throws in

662
00:38:50,580 --> 00:38:52,290
another service. What does that
mean?

663
00:38:52,320 --> 00:38:53,010
The spy?

664
00:38:55,020 --> 00:38:57,390
Just saying that again? I'll say
it when you would you brought

665
00:38:57,390 --> 00:38:59,970
this clip up before I mean, it
pretty much wasn't this same

666
00:38:59,970 --> 00:39:04,740
clip, but it was a clip that he
discord guy said before. He's

667
00:39:04,770 --> 00:39:09,360
Nobody's allowed to talk to him
that way. He's talking to it.

668
00:39:09,390 --> 00:39:11,610
He's talking to a trader. Yeah.

669
00:39:11,790 --> 00:39:15,990
Yes. You can't do that. Of
course not. This David Korn man.

670
00:39:18,030 --> 00:39:20,760
Cornholio is when his new name
David Cornholio.

671
00:39:21,480 --> 00:39:24,420
So here's corn and Brooks. This
is the rap. They go into say,

672
00:39:24,420 --> 00:39:29,400
what is this all about? Just
complaining. De legitimatize.

673
00:39:29,430 --> 00:39:33,720
Gielen. I can't even say je la
de legitimatize NG. That's it.

674
00:39:33,810 --> 00:39:38,220
Yes. Trump's election and
Correns all in on this idea. No,

675
00:39:38,370 --> 00:39:41,220
not as much as he should be. De
legitimatize.

676
00:39:41,820 --> 00:39:44,520
The President elects position
that we've got to move on this

677
00:39:44,520 --> 00:39:47,610
is these are all essentially
ploys to try to de legitimize my

678
00:39:47,610 --> 00:39:47,940
win.

679
00:39:48,000 --> 00:39:51,810
Well, I think he shouldn't
legitimize for many reasons. And

680
00:39:51,810 --> 00:39:53,130
his reply to

681
00:39:53,160 --> 00:39:55,230
well, there's many reasons don't
ask questions.

682
00:39:56,280 --> 00:39:59,970
Guys elected he shouldn't be
delegitimize. Yes, just

683
00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:01,200
Just to be quiet,

684
00:40:01,230 --> 00:40:07,320
delegitimize for many reasons,
to this hacking is also caused

685
00:40:07,320 --> 00:40:11,850
for D legitimization. But to say
we should move on when the

686
00:40:11,850 --> 00:40:15,690
bedrock of American democracy or
the sanctity of our elections

687
00:40:15,810 --> 00:40:20,040
has been messed with. It just
raises suspicions, it'd be so

688
00:40:20,070 --> 00:40:23,700
easy for him to say the obvious
thing. This is terrible. We're

689
00:40:23,700 --> 00:40:25,920
going to look into it. And we're
going to try to prevent this

690
00:40:25,920 --> 00:40:30,300
from happening again in the in
the future, but his denial of it

691
00:40:30,300 --> 00:40:32,940
happening or it's serious as
this shows that there's

692
00:40:32,940 --> 00:40:35,520
something really amiss from his
end of it.

693
00:40:35,640 --> 00:40:39,390
Now he's just not on board with
your program, which is bull

694
00:40:39,390 --> 00:40:42,870
crap. What I find fascinating
and we'll we'll get into it in a

695
00:40:42,870 --> 00:40:49,200
moment. I know you have one more
wrap up here. When slash dot and

696
00:40:49,710 --> 00:40:53,730
Hacker News, and you know, other
I would say reasonably

697
00:40:53,730 --> 00:40:59,100
respectable publications have
gone through this joint

698
00:40:59,100 --> 00:41:03,180
assessment report and said,
there's no proof there. Where

699
00:41:03,180 --> 00:41:07,050
are all of my dudes named Ben?
Who were Hillary of a hate

700
00:41:07,050 --> 00:41:09,120
Trump? Let's put it that way.
Whether a Hillary supporters of

701
00:41:09,120 --> 00:41:13,980
Bernie Bros or whatever, where
are they? That I'm looking on

702
00:41:13,980 --> 00:41:16,950
the face bag. I know people who
are coming hate Trump and who

703
00:41:16,950 --> 00:41:19,920
are very, very skilled. They're
not saying anything.

704
00:41:22,680 --> 00:41:26,340
That's pathetic. It is pathetic,
because it's so hot. This whole

705
00:41:26,340 --> 00:41:29,490
issue shouldn't be dropped a
cheap fishing expedition to boy,

706
00:41:29,490 --> 00:41:31,350
you know, or you know what I
have? I don't know if you got a

707
00:41:31,350 --> 00:41:35,550
copy of it. One of our
producers, I'm allowed to

708
00:41:35,550 --> 00:41:41,400
mention his code name, sir.
Crash EMT was on the open phone

709
00:41:41,400 --> 00:41:46,020
call with DHS, FBI and other
cyber communities where they

710
00:41:46,020 --> 00:41:51,960
briefed everyone on the joint
analysis report. And he gave us

711
00:41:51,960 --> 00:41:54,180
a whole rundown which I'd like
to do. But let's flip play your

712
00:41:54,180 --> 00:41:55,020
last clip first.

713
00:41:55,050 --> 00:41:57,900
The last clip is just is the
kicker it's a kind of a humorous

714
00:41:57,900 --> 00:42:00,990
thing. I cut it off, the word
should be cut off. This is

715
00:42:00,990 --> 00:42:05,730
Brooks being asked to kind of a
deep question. He finally admits

716
00:42:05,790 --> 00:42:08,460
to what he admits military
during the election when he said

717
00:42:08,460 --> 00:42:11,070
he didn't know what he was
talking about. And I don't even

718
00:42:11,070 --> 00:42:12,300
know why he's on this show.

719
00:42:12,690 --> 00:42:14,730
David Brooks, what happens in
that conversation with

720
00:42:14,730 --> 00:42:17,520
intelligence officials that
Donald Trump said he is going to

721
00:42:17,520 --> 00:42:20,520
take in order to get to the
bottom of this or get to a

722
00:42:20,520 --> 00:42:23,790
common set of facts? It's
already a fairly tense

723
00:42:23,790 --> 00:42:25,470
relationship with the
intelligence community.

724
00:42:25,620 --> 00:42:26,940
Of course, I didn't know what's
going on.

725
00:42:28,470 --> 00:42:31,470
Now, of course, I don't really
know what's going on. We don't

726
00:42:31,470 --> 00:42:31,710
want

727
00:42:32,760 --> 00:42:35,700
blue and you don't know why
others think news, why don't you

728
00:42:35,700 --> 00:42:36,480
get joking?

729
00:42:40,140 --> 00:42:47,640
That's right, everybody. So of
course, I read the report for

730
00:42:47,640 --> 00:42:51,030
everybody. I'm sure everybody
read it wasn't all that big.

731
00:42:51,030 --> 00:42:55,590
This is the initial report the
joint analysis report from the

732
00:42:55,590 --> 00:42:59,910
cyber communities. And I would
like to give a little rundown

733
00:42:59,910 --> 00:43:03,300
from the audio isn't it
apparently there will be audio

734
00:43:03,300 --> 00:43:07,380
which may be interesting to cut
up. But our producer was on the

735
00:43:07,380 --> 00:43:10,710
call. And he says the briefing
start off with the same

736
00:43:10,710 --> 00:43:14,940
disclaimer as the joint analysis
report itself, which of course,

737
00:43:14,970 --> 00:43:19,110
I saw, immediately at the top of
this report in a big banner. I

738
00:43:19,110 --> 00:43:21,960
think people don't see that
maybe banner because of banner

739
00:43:21,960 --> 00:43:26,850
ads. We gloss over that. I mean,
when when a report starts, it

740
00:43:26,850 --> 00:43:31,050
starts off like this. And in the
call that as well. With the

741
00:43:31,050 --> 00:43:36,270
following terms, this report is
provided as is for informational

742
00:43:36,270 --> 00:43:39,480
purposes, only. The Department
of Homeland Security does not

743
00:43:39,480 --> 00:43:43,710
provide any warranties of any
kind regarding any information

744
00:43:43,710 --> 00:43:48,060
contained within DHS does not
endorse any commercial product

745
00:43:48,060 --> 00:43:51,000
or service reference in this
advisory otherwise. So they're

746
00:43:51,000 --> 00:43:54,870
saying they don't even warrant
the information in their own

747
00:43:54,870 --> 00:43:55,470
report.

748
00:43:57,180 --> 00:43:59,400
Right. I think it stop right
there at the dawn

749
00:43:59,430 --> 00:44:02,910
at the top of the report. Why is
no one mentioning that?

750
00:44:03,120 --> 00:44:07,050
Actually at all the news? Most
of the news outlets have did

751
00:44:07,050 --> 00:44:11,100
okay. But they didn't have
enough offhanded way that.

752
00:44:12,030 --> 00:44:14,400
Again, I've we've talked about
this on the show before the way

753
00:44:14,400 --> 00:44:16,830
you present makes a big
difference and you present it in

754
00:44:16,830 --> 00:44:19,800
a way that it's light.

755
00:44:20,460 --> 00:44:24,210
Yeah, so point two from our
producer. They referenced the

756
00:44:24,240 --> 00:44:28,080
integrity of voting systems once
were provided absolutely no

757
00:44:28,080 --> 00:44:30,360
evidence or statements that
voting anywhere in the US was

758
00:44:30,360 --> 00:44:32,850
compromised, like the Democratic
National Committee, the Hillary

759
00:44:32,850 --> 00:44:37,350
in other campaigns, think tanks,
university other etc. None of

760
00:44:37,350 --> 00:44:42,690
those were in any spear phishing
attacks. grisly step. That's our

761
00:44:42,690 --> 00:44:46,350
codename of 100% spear phishing
campaign, according to this

762
00:44:46,350 --> 00:44:49,800
briefing that our producer
received, created and create an

763
00:44:49,800 --> 00:44:53,430
insider threats in these
organizations who entered their

764
00:44:53,430 --> 00:44:56,130
username and passwords on the
form from a fake email we know

765
00:44:56,130 --> 00:45:00,000
this. So just some details all
the landing pages were made to

766
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:02,490
look like Gmail and Yahoo
landing pages all attacks were

767
00:45:02,670 --> 00:45:06,810
persisted from Yahoo and Skype
domains. Interesting. Skype.

768
00:45:08,040 --> 00:45:12,330
Hello Microsoft, the attackers
mingled their traffic in from

769
00:45:12,330 --> 00:45:14,670
sources that are legitimate
business so as to deter

770
00:45:14,670 --> 00:45:19,680
blacklisting. to that fact FBI
and DHS experts stated openly on

771
00:45:19,680 --> 00:45:23,610
the phone call not to blacklist
these domains in response to the

772
00:45:23,610 --> 00:45:32,790
attacks really. Please don't
blacklist these domains. DHS

773
00:45:32,790 --> 00:45:36,540
reemphasize there was no attack
on voting systems. DHS and FBI

774
00:45:36,540 --> 00:45:39,900
declassified the signatures for
specific antivirus companies,

775
00:45:39,900 --> 00:45:42,420
they wouldn't say whom but the
signatures will eventually be

776
00:45:42,420 --> 00:45:46,260
made public. And then they went
through the that was what most

777
00:45:46,260 --> 00:45:48,210
of the report was a
recommendation to the IT

778
00:45:48,210 --> 00:45:53,250
security community. So watch for
false positives. Use detection,

779
00:45:54,000 --> 00:45:59,670
watch your firewall logs. Let me
see what else do we have ah has

780
00:45:59,700 --> 00:46:02,670
DHS FBI emphasize in their
native advertising moment of the

781
00:46:02,670 --> 00:46:08,400
call? That you should ask your
cyber vendor the following

782
00:46:08,400 --> 00:46:12,840
things. If they backup your
essential data regularly, if

783
00:46:12,840 --> 00:46:15,900
they conduct risk analysis on
your systems, how they train

784
00:46:15,900 --> 00:46:18,690
their staff in your to prevent
phishing and other scams, and

785
00:46:18,690 --> 00:46:20,970
implementing patterns for
vulnerability, patching and

786
00:46:20,970 --> 00:46:26,310
scanning is practice Application
Whitelisting methods perform a

787
00:46:26,310 --> 00:46:29,760
practice notification tree for
when a problem is detected. You

788
00:46:29,760 --> 00:46:33,390
kind of get in the idea that
this was more about how to not

789
00:46:33,390 --> 00:46:38,400
get spear fished, and how to you
know how to hire the right cyber

790
00:46:38,400 --> 00:46:47,100
vendor, I guess. And the only
only only thing they have is the

791
00:46:47,100 --> 00:46:50,610
spear phishing. That's all and
this was actually

792
00:46:51,570 --> 00:46:53,340
can be done by anybody. Yeah, it

793
00:46:53,340 --> 00:46:56,700
was kind of brought up in a
funny way by I think he's a

794
00:46:56,700 --> 00:47:00,510
former Trump adviser Steve
Cortes. He was on with Chris

795
00:47:00,510 --> 00:47:03,090
Hayes always funny to listen to
correct Chris Hayes get butt

796
00:47:03,090 --> 00:47:04,560
slammed. Listen to this.

797
00:47:04,590 --> 00:47:07,260
That's the was not hacked. He
gave it to a phishing scheme,

798
00:47:07,260 --> 00:47:10,230
which by the way was as juvenile
as the emails that we all

799
00:47:10,230 --> 00:47:12,990
receive from a Nigerian prince.
Do you think it was his fault?

800
00:47:13,620 --> 00:47:15,870
Yes. Do you believe

801
00:47:16,200 --> 00:47:19,080
that is the kind of a senile
grandfather false for that?

802
00:47:19,080 --> 00:47:19,440
Surely,

803
00:47:19,440 --> 00:47:23,160
John Podesta is a grandfather,
because he was he was a phishing

804
00:47:23,160 --> 00:47:26,610
attack. Yes. But here's the more
important point to what we keep

805
00:47:26,610 --> 00:47:29,580
talking about is I don't know
who did who did the hacking of

806
00:47:29,580 --> 00:47:33,360
the DNC. Podesta was not hacked,
he fell for a steam. The DNC was

807
00:47:33,360 --> 00:47:36,510
hacked. That is clear. Who did
it. I don't know. We do know,

808
00:47:36,510 --> 00:47:40,020
though, is what was revealed by
the hack. And what was revealed

809
00:47:40,020 --> 00:47:43,800
was a Democratic Party that was
corrupt to its core,

810
00:47:43,860 --> 00:47:47,400
particularly when it involves
their primary and Bernie

811
00:47:47,400 --> 00:47:50,310
Sanders. And the more the
American people learned about

812
00:47:50,310 --> 00:47:52,530
the Democratic Party, and the
more they learned about Hillary

813
00:47:52,530 --> 00:47:55,590
Clinton, right, less they liked
and trusted them. And it's one

814
00:47:55,590 --> 00:47:55,980
of the reasons

815
00:47:58,110 --> 00:48:02,010
the Washington Post even had to
they do this a lot. Now. They

816
00:48:02,010 --> 00:48:08,220
keep having to upend their
reporting. And the most recent

817
00:48:08,220 --> 00:48:11,460
report was, and this was this
was really fake news. This was

818
00:48:11,490 --> 00:48:16,440
unbelievable that the Russians
are trying to hack the grid.

819
00:48:16,740 --> 00:48:21,000
They're trying to get in and
trying to hack the grid. With

820
00:48:21,030 --> 00:48:25,590
check it out my favorite with
outdated Ukrainian mall malware.

821
00:48:27,210 --> 00:48:35,730
And as it turns out, the the
malware was on a laptop that was

822
00:48:35,730 --> 00:48:39,900
not nor has it ever been
connected to, to the grid system

823
00:48:39,900 --> 00:48:43,380
at all is the Vermont hack. Yes,
the Vermont hack. Exactly. Yeah.

824
00:48:43,410 --> 00:48:47,820
Total bowl credit an eye roller
that was and they had to amend

825
00:48:47,820 --> 00:48:52,770
that story as well. We read that
and let me read you their

826
00:48:52,980 --> 00:48:55,920
amendment. This is I want to ask
you a question about that. You

827
00:48:55,920 --> 00:48:58,530
Editor's Note, an earlier
version of this story

828
00:48:58,530 --> 00:49:01,140
incorrectly said that Russian
hackers had penetrated the US

829
00:49:01,140 --> 00:49:04,230
electric grid Washington Post
authority say there's no

830
00:49:04,230 --> 00:49:07,140
indication of that so far. The
computer at Burlington electric

831
00:49:07,170 --> 00:49:11,250
that was hacked was not attached
to the grid. And hacked is a big

832
00:49:11,250 --> 00:49:13,860
word because picking up some
malware can happen from number

833
00:49:13,860 --> 00:49:14,700
of number of

834
00:49:14,940 --> 00:49:17,940
this guy just said his laptop
was infected. I mean, it's like,

835
00:49:18,240 --> 00:49:18,600
yeah,

836
00:49:18,900 --> 00:49:24,990
but as a as a someone who's been
in the business when a newspaper

837
00:49:25,200 --> 00:49:28,590
such as the Washington Post, not
once or twice, but you know,

838
00:49:28,590 --> 00:49:31,620
really multiple times in the
same story has to have an

839
00:49:31,620 --> 00:49:36,630
Editor's Note put on past. A
postscript is that how was that

840
00:49:36,630 --> 00:49:39,720
seen? journalistically? Is that
Oh, you did a great job or is it

841
00:49:39,720 --> 00:49:42,030
you suck the first time or how
was that viewed?

842
00:49:42,390 --> 00:49:44,370
Well, this is interesting,
because this is a new

843
00:49:44,370 --> 00:49:47,610
development. And I when I was
doing the show, Cranky geeks,

844
00:49:47,760 --> 00:49:52,440
great sure I'd have it was it
was a great thing to have these

845
00:49:52,440 --> 00:49:57,060
editors on who from big
newspapers and elsewhere or or

846
00:49:57,090 --> 00:50:00,840
journalists to professors or
whatever, and I I asked about

847
00:50:00,840 --> 00:50:04,560
this because I had this, my
thinking was, you should just do

848
00:50:04,590 --> 00:50:10,350
slipstream changes to the
article itself. Yeah, just

849
00:50:10,350 --> 00:50:14,580
change the articles. Because
this is not a newspaper that's

850
00:50:14,580 --> 00:50:17,040
printed, and you're stuck with
it. Because in print and and you

851
00:50:17,040 --> 00:50:19,560
have to make a correction the
next day or the next edition,

852
00:50:20,190 --> 00:50:23,760
you can change the next edition
sometimes. But generally

853
00:50:23,760 --> 00:50:25,800
speaking, you always want to put
a little note on error

854
00:50:25,800 --> 00:50:29,130
correction. We put the note
someplace else in the paper,

855
00:50:29,130 --> 00:50:32,340
which they like to do sometimes,
that mentions that this was

856
00:50:32,340 --> 00:50:36,330
corrected. So in case somebody
pulls the original offense is

857
00:50:36,330 --> 00:50:39,720
right. This is terrible. And he
said, No, no, no, we corrected

858
00:50:39,720 --> 00:50:41,430
it. And then there's the
evidence of the correction.

859
00:50:41,670 --> 00:50:46,410
Right? Now with real time news
gathering and reporting, which I

860
00:50:46,470 --> 00:50:50,310
consider the Internet to be, I
just don't see why you just

861
00:50:50,310 --> 00:50:53,040
don't change in the article
makes sure the articles fluid.

862
00:50:53,580 --> 00:50:56,610
So I got into a lot of arguments
about this, because nobody, it

863
00:50:56,610 --> 00:51:00,780
turns out, nobody accepts this
idea of mind, which is that it's

864
00:51:00,780 --> 00:51:02,970
a different medium. And so you
treat it differently. So what

865
00:51:02,970 --> 00:51:05,910
they like to do is, they like to
go back as though it was in

866
00:51:05,910 --> 00:51:09,480
print, and I can see where they
were thinking they sort of they

867
00:51:09,480 --> 00:51:14,400
see as it as if it was in print,
and it can't be changed is

868
00:51:14,430 --> 00:51:17,580
because it's in print. So you
have to make these corrections

869
00:51:17,670 --> 00:51:20,850
at the end of the article. So
the article start to collect

870
00:51:20,850 --> 00:51:23,460
corrections, because there's
another problem that that

871
00:51:23,460 --> 00:51:27,090
evolves, which is that they
rushed to rush these things out.

872
00:51:27,810 --> 00:51:31,110
Because you know, you got to you
can get it with a newspaper, it

873
00:51:31,110 --> 00:51:33,780
goes through a series of
processes, before it actually

874
00:51:33,780 --> 00:51:37,590
gets to the printer, right. But
you don't do that anymore. So

875
00:51:37,590 --> 00:51:40,440
they so they make a lot more
mistakes than they used to. And

876
00:51:40,440 --> 00:51:44,430
so they put these they document
the mistakes and these no dead

877
00:51:44,430 --> 00:51:46,620
node, you know, correction,
correction correction, and

878
00:51:46,620 --> 00:51:50,820
sometimes it can be blogged
longer than the article. And

879
00:51:51,030 --> 00:51:54,930
that's where we stand right now
is that yes, those will be will

880
00:51:54,930 --> 00:51:57,810
be there until somebody changes
their mind about how to do it.

881
00:51:58,380 --> 00:52:01,860
I like your idea. And I remember
that that was kind of what

882
00:52:01,860 --> 00:52:04,410
everyone wanted to do with blogs
when they first came up. But

883
00:52:04,410 --> 00:52:07,650
then there was this backlash.
Oh, you can't do that.

884
00:52:10,620 --> 00:52:13,440
Because there's a lot of things
that people mentioned moan about

885
00:52:13,440 --> 00:52:18,810
that just went by the wayside. I
remember with lifting images.

886
00:52:19,140 --> 00:52:22,560
Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.
You deep linking? you're linking

887
00:52:22,560 --> 00:52:24,210
to the image, you're stealing
content?

888
00:52:25,140 --> 00:52:28,950
Well, you're stealing content.
And then the big thing was

889
00:52:28,950 --> 00:52:31,140
you're stealing bandwidth. Oh,
yeah.

890
00:52:31,140 --> 00:52:34,410
I remember just stealing that.
Yeah, of course. And then

891
00:52:34,410 --> 00:52:34,950
bandwidth

892
00:52:34,980 --> 00:52:38,910
that so cheap, then usage
stealing bandwidth. How much? Is

893
00:52:38,910 --> 00:52:40,320
it costing you? Exactly?

894
00:52:40,350 --> 00:52:47,010
You're so well, a, I will say
that, man, this must have been

895
00:52:47,520 --> 00:52:51,360
2003 or something, I think
Slashdot was already around, and

896
00:52:51,360 --> 00:52:55,530
you got slash dotted slash dot
point into your web server, you

897
00:52:55,530 --> 00:52:58,470
were going down. But a lot of
people said, Man, this is no,

898
00:52:58,470 --> 00:52:59,610
they're stealing my bandwidth.

899
00:53:01,350 --> 00:53:03,930
The art, there's two things that
were going on with the arguments

900
00:53:03,930 --> 00:53:07,860
about the blogs and the images.
One the images the way I always

901
00:53:07,860 --> 00:53:10,740
saw it. And it was another
argument that I get into with a

902
00:53:10,740 --> 00:53:14,400
lot of journalists and others.
If you've got a blog, and you've

903
00:53:14,400 --> 00:53:17,190
gotten there's an image that's
attached to USA Today, it's on

904
00:53:17,190 --> 00:53:20,880
their server, and it's a picture
of a hurricane. And you want to

905
00:53:20,880 --> 00:53:25,050
talk about the hurricane, you'd
link to that image. And you said

906
00:53:25,050 --> 00:53:28,350
the hurricane is terrible. The
images on their servers on USA

907
00:53:28,350 --> 00:53:31,380
Today server, there's no doubt
about who owns the image, all

908
00:53:31,380 --> 00:53:34,740
you're doing is linking to it.
Other people said no, no your

909
00:53:34,740 --> 00:53:38,160
debts, you're stealing their
bandwidth. Well, the only other

910
00:53:38,160 --> 00:53:42,030
alternative if you want to use
that image, you could steal the

911
00:53:42,030 --> 00:53:44,910
image and put it on your server.
But now you've actually loaded

912
00:53:44,910 --> 00:53:49,050
directly. And I mean, that
stolen the image. Yeah, when

913
00:53:49,050 --> 00:53:52,920
you're just linking to a link is
the link just having to bring up

914
00:53:52,920 --> 00:53:56,430
an image when it when you're
looking at it. It there's

915
00:53:56,430 --> 00:53:59,610
nothing's being stolen. It's
just somebody else's image on

916
00:53:59,610 --> 00:54:02,280
somebody else's page. And then
they, you know, tried to make

917
00:54:02,280 --> 00:54:04,980
this argument about stealing
bandwidth is it's been up this

918
00:54:04,980 --> 00:54:08,700
stuff's been up in the air since
since the early days of framing

919
00:54:09,120 --> 00:54:12,360
when people and that actually
went to court. When people would

920
00:54:12,360 --> 00:54:14,790
put a frame you could choose a
frame function that you can

921
00:54:14,790 --> 00:54:17,850
have, you could frame a whole
webpage. Yeah, frame. Yeah,

922
00:54:17,850 --> 00:54:21,240
sure. And you in the frame, you
could put advertising. That was

923
00:54:21,420 --> 00:54:25,860
that was the guys who started
doing that. got sued, and nobody

924
00:54:25,860 --> 00:54:28,050
back them up. And so they
actually lost that Susan,

925
00:54:28,170 --> 00:54:31,020
framing actually became illegal.
Good times.

926
00:54:31,020 --> 00:54:33,420
Man. This is this is the days
from when we still had the blink

927
00:54:33,420 --> 00:54:38,490
tag. Things were good time. So
everyone's jumping on this hack

928
00:54:38,490 --> 00:54:42,540
bandwagon. Here's a shield from
the Chertoff Group about the

929
00:54:42,540 --> 00:54:43,440
Russian hack.

930
00:54:44,250 --> 00:54:48,240
Mike is a homeland security
consultant to join me from

931
00:54:48,240 --> 00:54:51,990
Chicago a short time ago I began
by asking him to his thoughts on

932
00:54:51,990 --> 00:54:53,850
the future of cyber conflict.

933
00:54:54,450 --> 00:55:00,450
I think that we're we're coming
to a change world where There's

934
00:55:00,450 --> 00:55:02,460
going to be a great deal more
uncertainty. There's a

935
00:55:02,460 --> 00:55:06,780
pervasiveness to cyber
vulnerability that goes across

936
00:55:06,780 --> 00:55:11,340
all dimensions of, of Western
society these days, and security

937
00:55:11,340 --> 00:55:15,390
services, we'll never be able to
say, with any certainty at all

938
00:55:15,390 --> 00:55:20,250
that all of Britain's secrets,
all of America's secrets, all of

939
00:55:20,250 --> 00:55:25,620
our infrastructure, all of our
political system is protected

940
00:55:25,620 --> 00:55:28,680
against attack. That's we're
just never going to get to that

941
00:55:28,680 --> 00:55:31,620
place. Yes, we can. So what does
that mean for individuals?

942
00:55:32,070 --> 00:55:34,530
The internet? That's an idea.

943
00:55:35,430 --> 00:55:38,010
You guys secrets? Take them off.
So what are they doing on the

944
00:55:38,010 --> 00:55:43,050
internet in the first place, if
their secrets? Yeah.

945
00:55:44,580 --> 00:55:47,280
How about this encryption? Ever
hear of it? It's really easy to

946
00:55:47,280 --> 00:55:47,460
do.

947
00:55:47,520 --> 00:55:49,770
And what does that mean for
individual nations, then? Does

948
00:55:49,770 --> 00:55:52,080
this mean that all our children
need to start coding from a

949
00:55:52,080 --> 00:55:53,280
young age realistically?

950
00:55:55,560 --> 00:55:59,220
Well, as to twofold. First,
there's a great deal more that

951
00:55:59,220 --> 00:56:02,610
we can do in terms of education,
in terms of developing

952
00:56:02,640 --> 00:56:05,460
capabilities within a nation.
The other portion of this, of

953
00:56:05,460 --> 00:56:09,270
course, is do better at doing
the simple things. I mean,

954
00:56:09,300 --> 00:56:11,850
fundamentally, we're in the
place we are right now with

955
00:56:11,850 --> 00:56:15,390
respect to the US elections,
because the IT manager for the

956
00:56:15,390 --> 00:56:18,660
Democratic National Committee
disregarded some pretty clear

957
00:56:18,660 --> 00:56:23,160
signals, and they wound up
getting hacked. That was a solid

958
00:56:23,310 --> 00:56:25,920
problem. That doesn't mean the
Russians are absolved from

959
00:56:25,920 --> 00:56:29,580
responsibility. But it does mean
that if you don't have the good

960
00:56:29,580 --> 00:56:33,780
sense to lock your door, some of
the blame is on you.

961
00:56:33,960 --> 00:56:37,740
Yes, Ben. Of course, they blame
the poor dude named Ben, who

962
00:56:37,740 --> 00:56:42,570
apparently was a victim of
AutoCorrect. Because he sent

963
00:56:43,320 --> 00:56:44,940
that's the Podesta thing. Yeah.

964
00:56:44,970 --> 00:56:49,950
Yeah. You say, yeah. I legit
said legitimate email. And he

965
00:56:49,950 --> 00:56:52,320
said, Ah, but I typed
illegitimate, but it must have

966
00:56:52,320 --> 00:56:56,340
autocorrected. That's the new
excuse.

967
00:56:56,820 --> 00:56:58,290
That's a good one, though. Yeah.
Like,

968
00:56:58,680 --> 00:57:02,640
here's Good Morning America.
Remember, again, the report that

969
00:57:02,640 --> 00:57:07,080
was released? Show has no proof.
The Yes, there was a spear

970
00:57:07,080 --> 00:57:11,010
phishing the nope, no proof. It
was Russia. Zero proof. It's

971
00:57:11,010 --> 00:57:14,040
just not in there. Go look at
Slashdot go look at you know, go

972
00:57:14,040 --> 00:57:18,360
look at what's the other Hacker
News. They've they've looked at

973
00:57:18,360 --> 00:57:21,240
it don't take my word for it.
But of course, good morning.

974
00:57:21,240 --> 00:57:22,590
America is all in that. What do
you think?

975
00:57:22,950 --> 00:57:25,650
Do you think the sanctions go
far enough? And do you think a

976
00:57:25,650 --> 00:57:28,620
President Trump is just going to
roll them back anyway? Well, I

977
00:57:28,620 --> 00:57:31,350
think we don't know that in 22
days, he'll take office and

978
00:57:31,350 --> 00:57:33,900
we'll see what he does. I was
thinking this morning, Dan,

979
00:57:34,140 --> 00:57:37,350
about how we've lost so many
stars from the 1980s in the

980
00:57:37,350 --> 00:57:41,640
course of 2016. And now we have
a president elect who's varying

981
00:57:41,640 --> 00:57:45,060
the foreign policy of Ronald
Reagan, who called Russia and

982
00:57:45,060 --> 00:57:48,150
the Soviet Union and evil
empire. He's basically saying,

983
00:57:48,300 --> 00:57:51,120
we're done with that. It's time
to move on. I find it

984
00:57:51,120 --> 00:57:54,330
fascinating that Donald Trump
said it's time to move on from a

985
00:57:55,320 --> 00:58:00,330
second. And first of all, Reagan
said that during the era of the

986
00:58:00,330 --> 00:58:05,880
Soviet Union, the Soviet Union
on Russia, thank you. And if you

987
00:58:05,880 --> 00:58:08,910
want to also remember some of
the bromance that was going on

988
00:58:08,910 --> 00:58:12,180
between George Bush, George W.
Bush and Putin, they were

989
00:58:12,180 --> 00:58:14,940
buddies, they used to hang out
at the ranch. So that's a

990
00:58:14,940 --> 00:58:18,570
possibility that can still
happen. So this is bullcrap.

991
00:58:18,570 --> 00:58:22,710
This is bad reporting. This is
twisting history. It really irks

992
00:58:22,710 --> 00:58:22,950
me.

993
00:58:22,980 --> 00:58:26,190
I know. He's basically by the
way, that's why I play these

994
00:58:26,190 --> 00:58:28,560
clips, because your response is
just gold,

995
00:58:28,680 --> 00:58:31,950
Russia and the Soviet Union and
evil empire. He's basically

996
00:58:31,950 --> 00:58:35,220
saying, we're done with that.
It's time to move on. I find it

997
00:58:35,220 --> 00:58:38,400
fascinating that Donald Trump
says it's time to move on from a

998
00:58:38,400 --> 00:58:42,240
cyber war and active cyber
warfare. But he actually can't

999
00:58:42,240 --> 00:58:45,270
move on from a bad restaurant
review or not winning an Emmy

1000
00:58:45,270 --> 00:58:47,820
Award for apprentice. It's an
amazing situation.

1001
00:58:50,160 --> 00:58:53,010
Now what now the guy's just
completely confused. Who is this

1002
00:58:53,010 --> 00:58:53,520
guy?

1003
00:58:54,570 --> 00:58:59,850
Doubt doubt something. Dowd.
He's on GMA

1004
00:59:01,560 --> 00:59:04,620
Doing Good Morning. Good
Morning, America. Yeah.

1005
00:59:05,760 --> 00:59:10,530
So as you said two things there
cyber war and house it election.

1006
00:59:10,920 --> 00:59:15,570
Of course. Now, this is the true
kicker short clip from NBC NBC

1007
00:59:15,570 --> 00:59:21,450
News, Hans Nichols. He really
takes the cake when it comes to

1008
00:59:21,900 --> 00:59:26,820
proof that that Russia did this
is obvious proof.

1009
00:59:27,120 --> 00:59:30,120
Here at the Russian Embassy in
Washington. They reach tweeted

1010
00:59:30,180 --> 00:59:33,090
Trump's praise for Putin, but a
US official tells.

1011
00:59:35,280 --> 00:59:36,570
It's a short clip you want to
hear

1012
00:59:36,810 --> 00:59:40,260
praise for Putin. But a US
official tells NBC News that

1013
00:59:40,260 --> 00:59:43,470
Putin is decision not to
retaliate may in fact, be an

1014
00:59:43,470 --> 00:59:45,840
acknowledgment that they crossed
the line.

1015
00:59:46,290 --> 00:59:51,870
Oh, please. I heard that. How
are we going to spin this one?

1016
00:59:52,380 --> 00:59:56,520
Hey, he says he didn't admit it.
He did. He's guilty.

1017
00:59:58,320 --> 01:00:01,260
Okay, here's the I have the Now
that you've played this short

1018
01:00:01,260 --> 01:00:05,490
clip, I want to play the long
version. This is the the

1019
01:00:05,490 --> 01:00:13,500
complete NBC again, NBC rundown
of the kicking Russia out. And I

1020
01:00:13,500 --> 01:00:15,990
want to before we play this,
this, they're talking about

1021
01:00:15,990 --> 01:00:18,720
this, especially these two
properties that the Russians own

1022
01:00:18,750 --> 01:00:21,510
own. One of them bought by the
Soviet Union, it gets to the

1023
01:00:21,510 --> 01:00:23,280
70s. And when more recently,

1024
01:00:24,150 --> 01:00:26,220
yes, I'd like to know a little
bit about these properties and

1025
01:00:26,220 --> 01:00:27,210
what the deal is with them.

1026
01:00:27,510 --> 01:00:30,090
Well, there's a couple of things
that they own them, but they

1027
01:00:30,090 --> 01:00:32,640
were confiscated by the State
Department. And I'd like to know

1028
01:00:32,640 --> 01:00:32,790
why

1029
01:00:33,210 --> 01:00:35,550
they do that under eminent
domain. How did they do that?

1030
01:00:35,550 --> 01:00:35,880
How do you

1031
01:00:37,050 --> 01:00:40,980
Hello, why why is it some
reporter in one of these news

1032
01:00:40,980 --> 01:00:44,550
conferences that have access to
these these these blowhards?

1033
01:00:44,760 --> 01:00:49,770
Asking that specific question?
Even RT doesn't ask. Yeah, I

1034
01:00:49,770 --> 01:00:52,170
think they're there cuz they
don't know what property rights

1035
01:00:52,170 --> 01:00:52,500
are.

1036
01:00:52,590 --> 01:00:55,920
I was unaware that they actually
confiscated them.

1037
01:00:56,400 --> 01:00:59,820
They J kicked everybody out. And
I ended Yeah, in this report,

1038
01:00:59,820 --> 01:01:03,150
they say they confiscated now I
want to say again, a little

1039
01:01:03,150 --> 01:01:06,510
aside here before you play this
because as long as you can

1040
01:01:06,510 --> 01:01:11,700
interrupt it, is that I think
personally, because they know

1041
01:01:11,700 --> 01:01:14,430
Trump's gonna just say geek guys
get back and move back into

1042
01:01:14,430 --> 01:01:15,120
these places. But

1043
01:01:15,120 --> 01:01:17,250
don't say I know exactly what
you're gonna say. They're

1044
01:01:17,250 --> 01:01:22,320
bugging the place. Exactly.
They're, they're wiring that

1045
01:01:22,320 --> 01:01:24,450
crap up all from top to bottom
old

1046
01:01:24,450 --> 01:01:28,350
bugs out the old crappy bugs,
which probably had been already

1047
01:01:28,500 --> 01:01:33,180
caught and figured out, painted
over. And they're putting in the

1048
01:01:33,180 --> 01:01:37,290
new high tech bugs that the
Russians will never find.

1049
01:01:40,230 --> 01:01:41,250
What else? Yeah,

1050
01:01:41,550 --> 01:01:44,400
I've been you when you said it.
I'm like, Oh, of course, makes

1051
01:01:44,400 --> 01:01:46,380
nothing but sense. All right.
I'm intrigued.

1052
01:01:46,410 --> 01:01:49,350
Tonight, President elect Trump
tweeting more praise for

1053
01:01:49,350 --> 01:01:53,520
Vladimir Putin, after Putin's
unexpected move not to expel any

1054
01:01:53,520 --> 01:01:57,690
US diplomats from Russia. Putin
holding fire after President

1055
01:01:57,690 --> 01:02:00,180
Obama ordered 35 suspected spies

1056
01:02:00,210 --> 01:02:03,990
on holding fire. What kind of
terminology is that?

1057
01:02:04,380 --> 01:02:07,500
There's a bunch of little
ditties. There's a little delay

1058
01:02:07,500 --> 01:02:10,290
putting things in a certain way
to make it sounds like war time.

1059
01:02:10,710 --> 01:02:13,350
And I've noticed this especially
with NBC they're doing this a

1060
01:02:13,350 --> 01:02:17,430
lot is crazy little phrases and
things and make it sound more

1061
01:02:17,430 --> 01:02:21,630
ominous and crazy. And we're in
a state of war. It's like, I

1062
01:02:21,630 --> 01:02:23,880
don't know. I wish somebody
would explain to me what the

1063
01:02:23,880 --> 01:02:28,410
deal is about this is hate
toward Russia. And we have I

1064
01:02:28,410 --> 01:02:29,700
mean, I've got a whole thing.
Well, you

1065
01:02:29,700 --> 01:02:35,220
remember you remember where how
it started? Okay, it started

1066
01:02:35,220 --> 01:02:43,170
with the gays. And once the gays
were told that Russia and I'll

1067
01:02:43,170 --> 01:02:45,960
put it in the show notes, we did
a whole white paper with Brian,

1068
01:02:46,080 --> 01:02:49,500
the gay Crusader that this was
all crap. It was really only

1069
01:02:49,500 --> 01:02:56,190
meant to levy fees on American
western media. But it started

1070
01:02:56,190 --> 01:02:59,010
with the gays. And if you look
at the percentage of gays in

1071
01:02:59,010 --> 01:03:02,460
mainstream media, I would say
that they had been tainted from

1072
01:03:02,640 --> 01:03:05,550
Melbourne day one. And this is
what now three years ago, four

1073
01:03:05,550 --> 01:03:06,690
years ago when that started.

1074
01:03:07,230 --> 01:03:12,330
It begs the question, what is
the deal? Why did why do we have

1075
01:03:12,330 --> 01:03:16,770
to hate Why do we have to hate
the Russians? And John McCain

1076
01:03:16,770 --> 01:03:19,140
and Lindsey Graham are part of
this. The Neo cons are part of

1077
01:03:19,140 --> 01:03:22,140
this. They are pushing this
agenda of hating the Russians.

1078
01:03:22,230 --> 01:03:26,010
But what did the Russians do
besides hate? Besides right,

1079
01:03:26,010 --> 01:03:26,730
some go?

1080
01:03:26,760 --> 01:03:28,680
Well, go ahead and say it.

1081
01:03:29,700 --> 01:03:33,900
But you know what they did?
What? Come on,

1082
01:03:34,319 --> 01:03:41,129
you're gonna make me say it.
Yeah, Snowden. Exactly. I gave

1083
01:03:41,129 --> 01:03:42,749
you every opportunity. It's your
bids.

1084
01:03:42,779 --> 01:03:44,099
I let you say at this time,

1085
01:03:44,220 --> 01:03:48,180
the US diplomats from Russia,
Putin holding fire after

1086
01:03:48,180 --> 01:03:52,080
President Obama ordered 35
suspected spies out of America

1087
01:03:52,260 --> 01:03:55,110
and sanction top Russian
officials for hacks aimed at

1088
01:03:55,110 --> 01:03:58,710
influencing the election. Putin
writing we will not create any

1089
01:03:58,710 --> 01:04:02,220
problems for US diplomats, but
insisting that we are keeping

1090
01:04:02,220 --> 01:04:07,020
the right to retaliate. Trump's
response. Great move on delay by

1091
01:04:07,020 --> 01:04:10,950
V. Putin. I always knew he was
very smart. Putin's decision

1092
01:04:10,980 --> 01:04:14,370
surprising some administration
officials and coming just

1093
01:04:14,370 --> 01:04:17,550
moments after his own foreign
minister publicly called for

1094
01:04:17,550 --> 01:04:21,000
American diplomats to be kicked
out wasn't even listed. But the

1095
01:04:21,000 --> 01:04:24,120
former KGB Colonel instead
personally inviting the

1096
01:04:24,120 --> 01:04:24,750
diplomats to

1097
01:04:26,190 --> 01:04:28,860
KGB Colonel wide wide, wide,
wide wide.

1098
01:04:28,950 --> 01:04:36,870
Don't forget the KGB was
disbanded in 1991 1991. And

1099
01:04:36,870 --> 01:04:40,500
instead of calling him the
President of Russia, for the

1100
01:04:40,770 --> 01:04:45,780
former KGB colonel, they call
him this is NBC again. They use

1101
01:04:45,780 --> 01:04:50,460
his the former KGB Colonel. What
does that got to do with the

1102
01:04:50,460 --> 01:04:53,820
story? All implications this

1103
01:04:53,820 --> 01:04:57,870
is like the this is a greatest
example of propaganda distinct

1104
01:04:57,870 --> 01:05:01,710
style of reporting and we are
interrupt NPCs reeks of it. And

1105
01:05:01,710 --> 01:05:03,930
we interrupt these clips
frequently and people are

1106
01:05:03,930 --> 01:05:08,130
wondering sometimes why but this
is why the words that a words

1107
01:05:08,130 --> 01:05:14,460
matter the words that are used
have been controlling. They use

1108
01:05:14,460 --> 01:05:17,880
it to twist your thinking.
Exactly. And and it's quite

1109
01:05:17,880 --> 01:05:22,020
effective. The I think some why
these guys do that. I mean, do

1110
01:05:22,020 --> 01:05:24,720
you think this guy actually sits
down and writes his own script?

1111
01:05:25,140 --> 01:05:32,100
Yes. But I, you know, I'd like
to know how many editors there

1112
01:05:32,100 --> 01:05:35,670
are at at this level of the news
at NBC, because it's the highest

1113
01:05:35,670 --> 01:05:38,610
of the highest, this is the top
of the top cream of the crop?

1114
01:05:39,000 --> 01:05:43,320
How many people sit there? And
they I think they do this on? I

1115
01:05:43,320 --> 01:05:45,660
mean, they do it on purpose,
obviously, that's in the script.

1116
01:05:46,410 --> 01:05:51,210
But are they doing it to
manipulate the listener? I'm

1117
01:05:51,210 --> 01:05:54,360
actually big as a writer who
writes to manipulate lists

1118
01:05:54,390 --> 01:05:57,390
readers, because that's what you
do you try to convince them that

1119
01:05:57,390 --> 01:06:00,900
your position is correct. And
why do you do that? Because you

1120
01:06:00,900 --> 01:06:04,710
have a position on something
that you see that you see what

1121
01:06:04,710 --> 01:06:06,210
you believe is righteous, you're

1122
01:06:06,210 --> 01:06:09,870
an essayist, these guys are
these guys. These guys are

1123
01:06:09,870 --> 01:06:10,770
reporters.

1124
01:06:11,070 --> 01:06:15,570
Yes. The as an essayist, or an
opinion writer, that my job is

1125
01:06:15,570 --> 01:06:19,170
to is to push an opinion or an
idea. The reporters are supposed

1126
01:06:19,170 --> 01:06:22,530
to be neutral, get to another
clip I have later, oh, wow,

1127
01:06:22,530 --> 01:06:27,150
that's not working out. These
guys are supposed to be

1128
01:06:27,150 --> 01:06:30,120
reporting on a neutral basis,
but they're they're slanting

1129
01:06:30,120 --> 01:06:33,690
their coverage, which I think is
completely illegitimate, which

1130
01:06:33,690 --> 01:06:36,030
is what we point out on this
show to show people that we're

1131
01:06:36,030 --> 01:06:38,670
not you're not getting a good
product from these folks.

1132
01:06:39,300 --> 01:06:41,820
It is anything but an
outstanding product. It is

1133
01:06:41,820 --> 01:06:42,960
inferior in fact,

1134
01:06:42,990 --> 01:06:46,410
but the former KGB Colonel
instead personally inviting the

1135
01:06:46,410 --> 01:06:50,190
diplomats children to a New
Year's Eve celebration. NBC,

1136
01:06:50,280 --> 01:06:51,960
Lucy Kavanaugh is in Moscow,

1137
01:06:52,200 --> 01:06:55,110
the holiday party that the
American children were invited

1138
01:06:55,110 --> 01:06:58,950
to will take place behind me at
the Kremlin Palace. The move

1139
01:06:58,950 --> 01:07:02,640
comes as Putin spokesman seemed
to dismiss President Obama's

1140
01:07:02,640 --> 01:07:06,030
actions saying in three weeks
there will be a new American

1141
01:07:06,030 --> 01:07:06,660
president.

1142
01:07:06,990 --> 01:07:11,190
But Trump's move today, not as
surprising, as Putin's despite

1143
01:07:11,190 --> 01:07:14,790
assessments by 17 intelligence
agencies that Russia was behind

1144
01:07:14,790 --> 01:07:19,110
the hack that President Elect
Russia was to blame

1145
01:07:19,200 --> 01:07:21,780
could be somebody sitting in a
bed someplace.

1146
01:07:21,810 --> 01:07:24,720
Trump has said he'll meet with
the intel community to see the

1147
01:07:24,720 --> 01:07:28,410
fresh evidence against Russia.
But his approach carries risks.

1148
01:07:28,440 --> 01:07:30,900
Now, I would hope that he
wouldn't give away the farm.

1149
01:07:31,740 --> 01:07:35,460
Just for a good photo op. We
have real concrete interests

1150
01:07:35,460 --> 01:07:37,170
that need to pre pursued with
Russia.

1151
01:07:37,620 --> 01:07:40,710
And here the Russian Embassy in
Washington they retweeted

1152
01:07:40,740 --> 01:07:44,700
Trump's praise for Putin. But a
US official tells NBC News that

1153
01:07:44,700 --> 01:07:47,880
Putin's decision not to
retaliate may in fact be an

1154
01:07:47,880 --> 01:07:50,280
acknowledgment that they crossed
the line.

1155
01:07:51,390 --> 01:07:54,000
Hans Nichols Reporting in
Washington tonight as part of

1156
01:07:54,000 --> 01:07:57,300
the punishments leveled at
Russia the US today closed down

1157
01:07:57,480 --> 01:08:01,740
to exclusive properties used by
the Russians here in the States.

1158
01:08:02,010 --> 01:08:05,010
The US government believes those
sites may have been involved in

1159
01:08:05,010 --> 01:08:09,000
espionage to that NBC gave
Gutierrez has an inside look

1160
01:08:10,560 --> 01:08:12,720
back it up a little bit and
maybe because I want to re

1161
01:08:12,720 --> 01:08:16,410
emphasize may have been involved
in espionage with what comes

1162
01:08:16,410 --> 01:08:21,390
later in the report. Okay. Which
is like you know that this man

1163
01:08:21,810 --> 01:08:24,810
they dropped his little bomb in
there this may be involved in

1164
01:08:24,810 --> 01:08:29,250
espionage these their vacation
homes and their big mansions for

1165
01:08:29,250 --> 01:08:32,040
parties. It's a party house is
what it is pride house like,

1166
01:08:32,250 --> 01:08:35,190
Yeah, but then they bring that
up. But now they've dropped a

1167
01:08:35,190 --> 01:08:37,530
little espionage thing in there
so you can go there may have

1168
01:08:37,530 --> 01:08:40,560
been involved in espionage Oh,
really? At this remote and also

1169
01:08:40,560 --> 01:08:43,590
a lot of the reporting that went
into the newspapers with these

1170
01:08:43,590 --> 01:08:47,370
stories about this. They also
brought us some stories about

1171
01:08:47,370 --> 01:08:50,460
some Russian gang criminals that
were arrested to try to make you

1172
01:08:50,460 --> 01:08:53,430
associate the two when they had
nothing to do with either one.

1173
01:08:53,460 --> 01:08:55,500
There was just a complete
Association. I don't know why

1174
01:08:55,500 --> 01:08:59,280
they would do the train that kid
but okay, Dawn is

1175
01:08:59,309 --> 01:09:03,209
punishments levelled at Russia.
The US today closed down to

1176
01:09:03,239 --> 01:09:07,349
exclusive properties used by the
Russians here in the States. The

1177
01:09:07,349 --> 01:09:10,169
US government believes those
sites may have been involved in

1178
01:09:10,169 --> 01:09:14,489
espionage. Tonight. NBCs gave
Gutierrez has an inside look at

1179
01:09:14,489 --> 01:09:17,729
these compounds that have stood
in plain sight for decades.

1180
01:09:19,140 --> 01:09:23,490
Today outside this compound in
Maryland, a rush to pack up and

1181
01:09:23,490 --> 01:09:27,750
get out a day after the US said
he was shutting down the home

1182
01:09:27,750 --> 01:09:30,480
and another one on New York's
Long Island as part of its

1183
01:09:30,480 --> 01:09:34,650
retaliation against Russia. The
Obama administration has not

1184
01:09:34,650 --> 01:09:37,170
detailed what type of
intelligence gathering took

1185
01:09:37,170 --> 01:09:40,170
place in these buildings. But a
senior intelligence official

1186
01:09:40,170 --> 01:09:43,650
tells NBC News the properties
were not part of the cyber

1187
01:09:43,650 --> 01:09:47,160
campaign against the US.
Instead, they were secure

1188
01:09:47,160 --> 01:09:50,340
facilities where the Russians
could hold secret meetings.

1189
01:09:50,370 --> 01:09:53,220
They've been quiet neighbors
across the bay from Washington

1190
01:09:53,220 --> 01:09:56,820
the Maryland compound is just 63
miles from the White House and

1191
01:09:56,820 --> 01:10:00,480
near NSA headquarters. These
pictures from inside I'd show

1192
01:10:00,480 --> 01:10:05,220
massive dining rooms and
luxurious lounges. Sprawling 45

1193
01:10:05,220 --> 01:10:07,980
acre estate known for diplomatic
parties where

1194
01:10:07,980 --> 01:10:11,340
have you ever seen the green
zone in Iraq, the vodka

1195
01:10:11,340 --> 01:10:15,510
flowed, closing the compounds
now perhaps more symbolic than

1196
01:10:15,510 --> 01:10:16,920
operational. It's possible

1197
01:10:16,920 --> 01:10:19,710
that this is more of just sort
of sending a message almost an

1198
01:10:19,710 --> 01:10:22,680
annoyance to the Russians
saying, Yeah, look, you have

1199
01:10:22,680 --> 01:10:25,710
these nice facilities and you
we're no longer going to give

1200
01:10:25,710 --> 01:10:27,570
you access to them. The
properties

1201
01:10:27,570 --> 01:10:31,980
were on US officials radar for
decades, but stration at the

1202
01:10:31,980 --> 01:10:34,470
height of the Cold War, let them
stay.

1203
01:10:34,500 --> 01:10:36,900
If we went and arrested every
single person that we suspected

1204
01:10:36,900 --> 01:10:39,600
to be a spy and kicked them out
of the country, they would do

1205
01:10:39,600 --> 01:10:40,650
the same to us.

1206
01:10:40,770 --> 01:10:44,160
Tonight. The two Russian
retreats now under the control

1207
01:10:44,280 --> 01:10:48,330
of the US State Department gave
us here is NPC news

1208
01:10:48,330 --> 01:10:50,370
under control. Okay.

1209
01:10:50,880 --> 01:10:53,820
So I don't know it sounds like
they've confiscated property.

1210
01:10:53,820 --> 01:10:57,360
Real Property is somebody's own
and I find that weird. But they

1211
01:10:57,360 --> 01:11:00,150
also notice the way they their
terminology again on NBC all

1212
01:11:00,210 --> 01:11:06,270
loaded words, instead of being
in a state or a mansion or

1213
01:11:06,270 --> 01:11:08,880
wherever you want to call it.
They call them compound.

1214
01:11:09,120 --> 01:11:10,740
And it's only 73 miles

1215
01:11:10,740 --> 01:11:15,780
from the White House. And 60s
Yes, 63 miles. I mean, this like

1216
01:11:15,780 --> 01:11:19,590
from here to Sacramento. I mean,
it's, you know, it's not even

1217
01:11:19,590 --> 01:11:23,490
close. It'd be from here when
I'm in, like the Berkeley area.

1218
01:11:23,790 --> 01:11:27,060
to San Jose, it takes me 45
minutes to drive there. That's

1219
01:11:27,060 --> 01:11:31,320
only 40 miles away. I mean, it's
not even anywhere near the White

1220
01:11:31,320 --> 01:11:32,700
House is what they should say.

1221
01:11:32,730 --> 01:11:33,600
That's crazy.

1222
01:11:35,790 --> 01:11:38,460
I find it extremely offensive to
get these reports and the you

1223
01:11:38,460 --> 01:11:41,520
know, the public's lapping it
up. Oh, God.

1224
01:11:41,550 --> 01:11:45,600
Well, I was very happy to see
Matt Taibbi. Finally,

1225
01:11:45,780 --> 01:11:48,210
oh, he finally got it worked, I
guess and had that come out

1226
01:11:48,540 --> 01:11:52,290
against the scrap two. Huge
hillary supporter

1227
01:11:52,320 --> 01:11:57,510
Rolling Stone magazine headline,
something about this Russia

1228
01:11:57,510 --> 01:12:01,050
story stinks. He says. But
here's what here's what was

1229
01:12:01,050 --> 01:12:04,920
interesting about his story.
This dramatic story puts he

1230
01:12:04,920 --> 01:12:07,710
writes this dramatic story puts
the news media in a jackpot

1231
01:12:07,740 --> 01:12:11,370
absent independent verification,
reporters will have to rely upon

1232
01:12:11,370 --> 01:12:14,310
the secret assessments of
intelligence agencies to cover

1233
01:12:14,310 --> 01:12:18,540
the story at all. Many reporters
I know are quietly freaking out

1234
01:12:18,570 --> 01:12:21,540
about having to go through that
again. Because we all remember

1235
01:12:21,540 --> 01:12:26,730
the WMD fiasco. It's deja vu all
over again, as well. One friend

1236
01:12:26,730 --> 01:12:30,960
put it that and I wouldn't have
minded him saying which

1237
01:12:30,960 --> 01:12:34,590
reporters were freaking out
about that. But yes, this is

1238
01:12:34,590 --> 01:12:38,220
what I mean. When Trump says
this says hey, we heard this the

1239
01:12:38,220 --> 01:12:39,960
WMD from the same people.

1240
01:12:41,400 --> 01:12:45,690
Then it well, you douche. Pretty
much. I mean, that's kind of the

1241
01:12:45,690 --> 01:12:46,830
response douche.

1242
01:12:48,000 --> 01:12:50,460
I have this clip. And I'm not
absolutely sure. And it's all

1243
01:12:50,460 --> 01:12:57,060
misspelled. And that's it. Yeah,
that's a shocker. It says me doe

1244
01:12:57,270 --> 01:13:00,360
lies about Russia sanctions.
Fabulous.

1245
01:13:00,360 --> 01:13:03,390
Let's play that. Well. Despite
all that some US media outlets

1246
01:13:03,390 --> 01:13:06,540
were quick to report that Russia
had already retaliated before

1247
01:13:06,540 --> 01:13:09,870
any official statement was made.
Russia's Foreign Ministry

1248
01:13:09,870 --> 01:13:12,840
spokeswoman gave a strong
response to the misinformation.

1249
01:13:13,560 --> 01:13:18,330
Russia now vowing to issue its
own response to US sanctions and

1250
01:13:18,330 --> 01:13:22,290
has already ordered the American
School of Moscow to close

1251
01:13:22,350 --> 01:13:25,530
that is a lie. And there is no
need to say that Moscow denied

1252
01:13:25,560 --> 01:13:29,220
or Moscow will not just say it
how it is CNN and other Western

1253
01:13:29,220 --> 01:13:31,500
media outlets basing their
reporting on official US

1254
01:13:31,500 --> 01:13:34,050
government sources have spread
false information.

1255
01:13:34,560 --> 01:13:41,040
You know, from from our spies in
the military intelligence. They

1256
01:13:41,040 --> 01:13:44,730
were sending. They're sending
jokes around like, Yeah, I know.

1257
01:13:44,730 --> 01:13:47,370
The Russians have to leave.
There'll be back on January 21

1258
01:13:47,370 --> 01:13:51,180
is kind of the joke. Yes,
probably after the inauguration.

1259
01:13:51,210 --> 01:13:58,890
Oh, by the way, march 11. I've
been invited to go to DC for the

1260
01:13:58,890 --> 01:14:02,970
100th birthday celebration of
Lieutenant Colonel James

1261
01:14:03,780 --> 01:14:04,530
Majelis.

1262
01:14:06,060 --> 01:14:07,530
Who is that is? Yeah, he's

1263
01:14:07,530 --> 01:14:11,130
one of them. He's from the 82nd
airborne. One of them. He fought

1264
01:14:11,130 --> 01:14:12,900
the Battle of the Bulge.

1265
01:14:12,900 --> 01:14:15,270
I mean, this guy's battle the
budget guy still alive. Yeah,

1266
01:14:15,270 --> 01:14:15,690
it's 100

1267
01:14:15,690 --> 01:14:18,780
it's gonna turn 100 years old.
And I've been invited to the

1268
01:14:18,780 --> 01:14:23,970
celebration and it's going to be
spook heaven, fleeing somebody

1269
01:14:23,970 --> 01:14:30,270
there. betrayus is going to be
there tons of spooks. In fact,

1270
01:14:30,270 --> 01:14:33,480
I've asked if I wanted to ask
Uncle Don if he wanted to come

1271
01:14:33,480 --> 01:14:33,900
along.

1272
01:14:35,190 --> 01:14:38,790
What yeah, that's, that's very
funny.

1273
01:14:39,269 --> 01:14:42,479
Well, that well, apparently,
there's there's guys there who

1274
01:14:42,479 --> 01:14:48,929
ran like, you know, CIA stations
in Panama, and you in around the

1275
01:14:48,929 --> 01:14:54,479
time when Don was in involved in
Iran Contra.

1276
01:14:55,260 --> 01:14:57,390
So how did you get invited to
this shindig?

1277
01:14:58,950 --> 01:15:00,510
Well, the You're wondering,

1278
01:15:00,900 --> 01:15:04,110
is anyone going to look around
and say, What's this guy doing

1279
01:15:04,110 --> 01:15:04,440
here? Well,

1280
01:15:04,440 --> 01:15:08,130
that's why I'm taking Tina. So
just like, what's this guy who

1281
01:15:08,130 --> 01:15:08,610
cares?

1282
01:15:10,170 --> 01:15:11,070
They're allowed to stay.

1283
01:15:15,210 --> 01:15:18,780
Our guy knows that. There'll be
fun, you know, we will have a

1284
01:15:18,810 --> 01:15:19,590
material.

1285
01:15:20,430 --> 01:15:22,860
Oh, I'm sure there'll be some
maybe you never know some of

1286
01:15:22,860 --> 01:15:26,790
these guys aren't as talkative
as you'd hope. Well, the casual

1287
01:15:26,790 --> 01:15:29,490
conversations, though, because
they have casual conversations,

1288
01:15:29,490 --> 01:15:32,520
these guys might be interesting
to eavesdrop on?

1289
01:15:32,850 --> 01:15:36,900
Well, I'm very excited about it.
And the same guy told me that

1290
01:15:36,900 --> 01:15:39,360
the invitations have still not
been sent out. But there is

1291
01:15:39,360 --> 01:15:42,780
still a possibility. I'll get an
invite to the inauguration.

1292
01:15:44,640 --> 01:15:45,960
Well, I hope you do.

1293
01:15:46,260 --> 01:15:48,750
Oh, man, are we so much fun for
the show?

1294
01:15:49,500 --> 01:15:57,660
Well, I personally, I'm guessing
that the spook heaven would be

1295
01:15:57,660 --> 01:16:00,210
more interesting for the show
than the inauguration, which

1296
01:16:00,210 --> 01:16:01,800
would just be a man. I agree,

1297
01:16:01,800 --> 01:16:06,060
which is why, which is why I
mentioned it first off. But

1298
01:16:06,060 --> 01:16:06,450
yeah,

1299
01:16:06,630 --> 01:16:08,820
we'll see. There's much I want
to do. We do have a lot of

1300
01:16:08,820 --> 01:16:11,520
spooks that listen to the show.
It's possible one way they may

1301
01:16:11,520 --> 01:16:17,880
have checked up Jay, uninvited
this guy down the list. No, I'm

1302
01:16:18,000 --> 01:16:19,350
sorry, you're not on the list.

1303
01:16:19,500 --> 01:16:21,870
Now, I think in general, and
we'll spell that again.

1304
01:16:22,530 --> 01:16:25,380
Is it C? Could it be C O RR y,

1305
01:16:25,530 --> 01:16:29,250
I think in general, people who
have listened to us for a while

1306
01:16:29,250 --> 01:16:32,400
and are in armed services,
regardless of which country they

1307
01:16:32,400 --> 01:16:36,930
seem to like to show and they
seem to appreciate what we what

1308
01:16:36,930 --> 01:16:41,010
we've done in the past. You
know, highlighting issues that

1309
01:16:41,010 --> 01:16:42,030
are military housing,

1310
01:16:42,030 --> 01:16:47,250
you have a source of real
analysis is not colored by the

1311
01:16:47,430 --> 01:16:50,430
bullet crafted these these guys
that these big networks have to,

1312
01:16:50,580 --> 01:16:53,790
you know, have to do or do on
because they want to do I don't

1313
01:16:53,790 --> 01:16:57,720
know, if I was you were
mentioning earlier about you

1314
01:16:57,720 --> 01:17:00,660
know, how these, do these guys
do some of this stuff on purpose

1315
01:17:00,660 --> 01:17:06,510
or not? I have a clip, which is
just the art is on RT they were

1316
01:17:07,230 --> 01:17:14,130
slamming Christina and poor,
douche bag, and

1317
01:17:14,130 --> 01:17:18,390
you want me to tell you when
you're using that word. What?

1318
01:17:18,960 --> 01:17:19,770
Slamming?

1319
01:17:20,880 --> 01:17:25,440
Yeah. Yeah. And but then
sometimes it's to trigger that

1320
01:17:25,470 --> 01:17:31,230
cool thing. There's RP RT report
on truth and journalism, I

1321
01:17:31,230 --> 01:17:32,700
thought was actually pretty good

1322
01:17:32,790 --> 01:17:36,900
tool raising the minimum wage
and against globalization.

1323
01:17:37,980 --> 01:17:44,310
Merkel a leftist. she championed
austerity and privatization. Not

1324
01:17:44,310 --> 01:17:48,360
so long ago, being worried of
immigration was considered

1325
01:17:48,390 --> 01:17:53,550
perfectly normal. Now, that
makes you a far right nutcase.

1326
01:17:54,570 --> 01:18:01,320
Community qualify as populist?
Everybody who doesn't agree with

1327
01:18:01,320 --> 01:18:03,600
it. But political polarity

1328
01:18:03,720 --> 01:18:09,450
is not all that's changed. 2016
is the year that journalism fell

1329
01:18:09,450 --> 01:18:11,640
into a death spiral. So I

1330
01:18:11,640 --> 01:18:15,630
now say truthful, not neutral.
There's a difference. Yes,

1331
01:18:15,630 --> 01:18:20,430
truthful is bringing the truth
neutral can be creating a false

1332
01:18:20,430 --> 01:18:22,920
equivalence between the facts.

1333
01:18:24,000 --> 01:18:29,190
Here are two examples of truth.
An aggressive pit bull attacked

1334
01:18:29,190 --> 01:18:33,330
its owner. That's absolutely
true. It did. Now, here's

1335
01:18:33,330 --> 01:18:37,200
another truth. The owner was
cruel and regularly beat the

1336
01:18:37,200 --> 01:18:41,130
dog. That's also true. And it's
the other side of the story. It

1337
01:18:41,130 --> 01:18:45,630
changes the narrative telling
both is what makes journalism

1338
01:18:45,660 --> 01:18:49,560
now here's the kicker, what
Christiane Amanpour was telling

1339
01:18:49,560 --> 01:18:54,300
you what CNN is telling you is
that you don't need to hear both

1340
01:18:54,300 --> 01:18:58,230
sides of the story. Now say V
will choose the version, the

1341
01:18:58,230 --> 01:19:01,110
truth to you, you need to hear

1342
01:19:01,170 --> 01:19:04,110
and I really want you to know
that I go out of my way to bring

1343
01:19:04,110 --> 01:19:05,460
you the truth. And

1344
01:19:05,490 --> 01:19:09,090
if you want to know what's in
store, look at the media's

1345
01:19:09,090 --> 01:19:13,620
coverage of the US election
acclaimed as the most biased and

1346
01:19:13,620 --> 01:19:18,750
one sided in recent history. The
idea again, that the world is

1347
01:19:18,750 --> 01:19:21,330
changing. Yes.

1348
01:19:22,620 --> 01:19:25,650
Now the that's an interesting
thing. She said when she said

1349
01:19:25,650 --> 01:19:28,500
the problem with the neutral art
thing where you're supposed to

1350
01:19:28,500 --> 01:19:31,620
just present information and
people kind of put it together

1351
01:19:31,620 --> 01:19:37,110
themselves to you doing it for
them, right. And it creates a so

1352
01:19:37,110 --> 01:19:42,360
called false equivalency. Yeah,
this argument is specious. It's

1353
01:19:42,360 --> 01:19:45,870
bull crap. It's nonsense, but
it's it sounds good. And that

1354
01:19:45,870 --> 01:19:48,240
audience had clap for what she
had to say what happened?

1355
01:19:48,240 --> 01:19:52,470
Absolutely. It was on the Trevor
Noah show. No, of course. And so

1356
01:19:52,470 --> 01:19:55,800
they're all very slanted in
there. As far as they're

1357
01:19:55,800 --> 01:19:58,140
concerned. You know, Trump's a
douchebag. And Hillary shouldn't

1358
01:19:58,140 --> 01:20:03,090
be should be president. Now the
false equivalency argument is

1359
01:20:03,360 --> 01:20:10,050
only in extreme cases that it
goes like this. You're supposed

1360
01:20:10,050 --> 01:20:17,070
to view report on Hitler from
both the pro and con sides. So

1361
01:20:17,070 --> 01:20:20,880
people that are anti Hitler, you
know, Hitler's a jerk and he's a

1362
01:20:20,880 --> 01:20:24,150
big He's a murderer. And so we
know he's a good family, man.

1363
01:20:24,420 --> 01:20:25,170
Hey,

1364
01:20:25,200 --> 01:20:26,280
we got the Volkswagen.

1365
01:20:26,940 --> 01:20:30,750
And you guys good. Yeah, you got
the vote. So that is what were

1366
01:20:30,750 --> 01:20:33,930
the false equivalency. In other
words, you can't just no good

1367
01:20:33,930 --> 01:20:38,250
and bad side, you can't bounce
report on genocide is really the

1368
01:20:38,250 --> 01:20:41,280
argument doesn't really have a
genocide. Okay, well, what's the

1369
01:20:41,280 --> 01:20:45,450
good let's get somebody who's
pro genocide. And someone who's

1370
01:20:45,450 --> 01:20:48,750
hates genocide, and let's give a
report on that. That's worse.

1371
01:20:48,780 --> 01:20:51,930
That's what she's talking about.
But in general, the number of

1372
01:20:51,930 --> 01:20:55,230
stories where you have the false
equivalency problem is just

1373
01:20:55,230 --> 01:20:58,650
minuscule. Yeah, this is
bullcrap. What she's saying

1374
01:20:58,919 --> 01:21:04,589
this was, well, she's an elite.
This is what these this, these

1375
01:21:04,589 --> 01:21:07,529
people believe this is just this
total belief. They live in a

1376
01:21:07,529 --> 01:21:11,849
different universe. We share the
same earth, but I don't know.

1377
01:21:14,940 --> 01:21:18,990
Well, actually, that dimension
thing that you have is the so

1378
01:21:18,990 --> 01:21:20,160
that we have to really Yeah, the

1379
01:21:20,160 --> 01:21:23,790
parallel universe multiple
dimensions. Yeah. Yeah, just

1380
01:21:23,790 --> 01:21:26,700
before we go to a break here, I
wasn't one of the things I was

1381
01:21:26,700 --> 01:21:29,250
noticing during during New
Year's Eve, and this must be a

1382
01:21:29,250 --> 01:21:36,720
huge disappointment for the cell
phone operators. Up until about

1383
01:21:36,720 --> 01:21:40,770
two years ago, maybe even up
until last year, New Year's Eve.

1384
01:21:41,280 --> 01:21:45,420
Me I'm getting text messages all
night long, then starts around

1385
01:21:45,420 --> 01:21:49,080
5pm When my friends in Europe,
and it's my sister's birthday on

1386
01:21:49,080 --> 01:21:51,930
January 1. So you know, and of
course, you know, the Dutch they

1387
01:21:51,930 --> 01:21:54,450
congratulate the whole family.
But it was all SMS text

1388
01:21:54,450 --> 01:21:57,750
messaging. I think I got to last
night, everyone else was just

1389
01:21:57,750 --> 01:22:02,730
posting their New Year's stuff
on social media. And that was so

1390
01:22:02,730 --> 01:22:07,500
much money for the for the cell
phone operators, at their, you

1391
01:22:07,500 --> 01:22:10,710
know, 40 or 50 cents a text
message and international is

1392
01:22:10,710 --> 01:22:14,310
crazy. I just wonder how much
money they're losing or what or

1393
01:22:14,310 --> 01:22:17,670
what the upside was before
people did this on social media?

1394
01:22:19,770 --> 01:22:22,380
No, I'm sure there's discuss
with these meetings when they

1395
01:22:22,380 --> 01:22:22,980
have them. And

1396
01:22:22,980 --> 01:22:25,620
then one other thing, although
it kind of belongs in tech news,

1397
01:22:25,620 --> 01:22:32,460
but I do have a gripe. Both the
Facebook app and Apple iMessage.

1398
01:22:33,120 --> 01:22:37,200
When you type the words, Happy
New Year, into either the

1399
01:22:37,200 --> 01:22:41,640
Facebook, if you send someone a
message or into the apple

1400
01:22:41,640 --> 01:22:45,510
Message System iMessage. The
minute you type that and hit

1401
01:22:45,510 --> 01:22:49,470
return, or the minute someone
opens that the iPhone goes into

1402
01:22:49,470 --> 01:22:53,460
this, and you see fireworks and
the screen is flashing and

1403
01:22:53,700 --> 01:22:58,290
everyone I saw Oh, this is so
cool. That's like, how could

1404
01:22:58,290 --> 01:23:03,390
this is not a good idea. I don't
want apple adding shit to what

1405
01:23:03,390 --> 01:23:07,590
I'm sending to people. Who knows
what they'll add next. I don't

1406
01:23:07,590 --> 01:23:09,450
think this is a good idea. It
should be you should at least be

1407
01:23:09,450 --> 01:23:10,560
able to opt out of it.

1408
01:23:11,010 --> 01:23:14,520
And this I agree. This is
editorializing and it could

1409
01:23:14,520 --> 01:23:14,820
trigger

1410
01:23:14,820 --> 01:23:20,970
people. It could you know with
the epilepsy or other things.

1411
01:23:21,420 --> 01:23:24,390
It's quite a quite a lot of
flashing, but I do know everyone

1412
01:23:24,420 --> 01:23:28,260
was Oh screw Apple screw you to
remember when YouTube slipped

1413
01:23:28,380 --> 01:23:32,340
their album on to your iTunes.
Yeah, my favorite. But now it's

1414
01:23:32,340 --> 01:23:34,500
like, oh, this is so cool. Well,
it's not. I don't think it's

1415
01:23:34,500 --> 01:23:37,530
cool. I think you know, you can
put an opt out or opt in would

1416
01:23:37,530 --> 01:23:42,600
be preferable, but I'm not I'm
not on board with this idea. I

1417
01:23:42,600 --> 01:23:47,880
don't think that's good. Stop
it. And we've had,

1418
01:23:48,390 --> 01:23:51,210
I'm sure they will pay very
careful attention to this.

1419
01:23:51,210 --> 01:23:51,780
Pratik.

1420
01:23:51,840 --> 01:23:54,510
Now they're too busy trying to
fix that stupid MacBook Pro.

1421
01:23:54,870 --> 01:23:58,380
They got no time for anything
else. We'd like to thank you for

1422
01:23:58,380 --> 01:24:01,530
your courage and say in the
morning to you John C. Dvorak.

1423
01:24:01,530 --> 01:24:04,590
Great to see you stands for
correcting your journalistic

1424
01:24:04,590 --> 01:24:06,240
goofs is okay.

1425
01:24:06,810 --> 01:24:09,000
Well, in the morning you Mr.
Adam curry also in the morning

1426
01:24:09,000 --> 01:24:11,730
and boots on the ground seat in
the air, water and all the names

1427
01:24:11,730 --> 01:24:12,660
and nights out there in the

1428
01:24:12,660 --> 01:24:15,390
morning to everyone in the chat
room Norge. industries.com

1429
01:24:15,390 --> 01:24:18,720
Thanks for showing up on this
first day of 2017. And in the

1430
01:24:18,720 --> 01:24:22,290
morning to cesium 137. He
brought us the artwork for

1431
01:24:22,290 --> 01:24:26,700
Episode Eight, nine or zero the
title of that was activist and

1432
01:24:26,730 --> 01:24:31,110
his image was great fit
perfectly. Pouring digital money

1433
01:24:31,110 --> 01:24:35,100
into a Homeless Person's cup. It
was a great piece of art. Very

1434
01:24:35,100 --> 01:24:40,320
nice. Yeah, it hit the spot. It
certainly did. Very, very good.

1435
01:24:41,010 --> 01:24:43,320
You can find all of the
submissions at no agenda art

1436
01:24:43,320 --> 01:24:46,500
generated.com. And of course we
thank all of the artists for all

1437
01:24:46,500 --> 01:24:47,430
of their submissions.

1438
01:24:48,120 --> 01:24:53,220
You know Mark Pardner TVD send
something and he sent something

1439
01:24:53,220 --> 01:24:59,220
in other than suggestions now I
don't have it. He's I think he

1440
01:24:59,220 --> 01:25:02,220
sent a note And but besides the
one note he's got, I think it's

1441
01:25:02,220 --> 01:25:04,500
in two notes in and I don't know
where the other one went, I'm

1442
01:25:04,500 --> 01:25:11,010
gonna have to read it some other
time. But he is he sent in one

1443
01:25:11,010 --> 01:25:13,830
note that just said, do the
information Mark Wagner

1444
01:25:13,830 --> 01:25:18,990
$1,000.01. He was at the, at the
meeting now, and he wants to

1445
01:25:18,990 --> 01:25:24,060
Knight himself is your angel of
Pasadena. Okay, so that's on the

1446
01:25:24,060 --> 01:25:26,940
list and everything's there. But
he had some other things to say

1447
01:25:26,940 --> 01:25:30,750
and some commentary, and we
will. I'll get that somehow back

1448
01:25:30,780 --> 01:25:34,020
in. We'll read it in the future,
but we want to thank him

1449
01:25:34,020 --> 01:25:37,230
profusely for as well. And he
also gave his real email

1450
01:25:37,230 --> 01:25:37,650
address.

1451
01:25:37,679 --> 01:25:39,689
I'm gonna give him a karma for
that because that's very

1452
01:25:39,689 --> 01:25:42,299
essence. Thank you so much. Good
way to start off the new year.

1453
01:25:42,330 --> 01:25:43,980
You've got karma.

1454
01:25:45,990 --> 01:25:50,400
In the morning, citizen, slaves
of Gitmo nation, please stand

1455
01:25:50,400 --> 01:25:55,320
and salute Sir David. Gay.

1456
01:25:55,530 --> 01:25:56,730
Yeah, he's back.

1457
01:25:57,240 --> 01:26:01,350
Where'd that one come from us
new. Yeah. Yeah, Sir David

1458
01:26:01,350 --> 01:26:05,490
Foley, the Grand Duke of the USA
333 33. It's been great to be

1459
01:26:05,490 --> 01:26:09,120
back after forced living off the
grid, one of the hardest

1460
01:26:09,780 --> 01:26:12,420
pleasures I've experienced was
catching up with the best

1461
01:26:12,420 --> 01:26:18,240
podcast in the universe. Your
News Analysis was sorely missed.

1462
01:26:18,270 --> 01:26:21,360
Thank you for your courage and
love and peace. Whatever they I

1463
01:26:21,360 --> 01:26:22,440
can earn the I

1464
01:26:22,440 --> 01:26:25,320
know, thank you for your courage
and passion. And

1465
01:26:25,320 --> 01:26:28,350
passion. Yes. And the effort it
takes to bring the show every

1466
01:26:28,350 --> 01:26:30,780
week, twice a week. I need to de
douching and some of that

1467
01:26:30,780 --> 01:26:32,070
amazing new agenda karma.

1468
01:26:32,160 --> 01:26:35,070
Yes. I'm glad that he's back
from the spot. So yes, here's

1469
01:26:35,070 --> 01:26:36,990
some red tape karma for you, my
friend.

1470
01:26:37,260 --> 01:26:38,100
You've got

1471
01:26:38,280 --> 01:26:41,640
karma to have him back. Now,

1472
01:26:42,270 --> 01:26:43,290
nice. Nice. Yes.

1473
01:26:43,980 --> 01:26:47,430
The Forgotten Jedi $330 And I
have the note.

1474
01:26:48,690 --> 01:26:52,020
Have to walk over here to get
it. Okay.

1475
01:26:53,610 --> 01:26:56,610
Oh, hold on. And you got to turn
off your noise gate when you do

1476
01:26:56,610 --> 01:26:58,260
that. Okay,

1477
01:26:58,440 --> 01:27:00,840
where are you there? I got, ya
know,

1478
01:27:01,589 --> 01:27:05,519
I'm back. Sorry. All right, the
notes. We're gonna pile. This is

1479
01:27:05,549 --> 01:27:09,869
one of our donors from the
meetup. And because I got the

1480
01:27:09,869 --> 01:27:15,479
note and here's a good example
of my way of doing things as I

1481
01:27:15,479 --> 01:27:16,349
go to get the notes.

1482
01:27:16,440 --> 01:27:21,840
Oh, shoot, man. I'm sorry, I
forgot the D do. You spend D

1483
01:27:21,840 --> 01:27:24,120
deuced. Gotta make sure I do
that.

1484
01:27:24,750 --> 01:27:28,860
Okay, good, dude, he's been
deduced the Forgotten Jedi three

1485
01:27:28,860 --> 01:27:33,030
and $30 just sends a note on the
back of an envelope literally

1486
01:27:33,060 --> 01:27:36,420
now he was also at the meetup
Correct? Yes, that's why I have

1487
01:27:36,420 --> 01:27:39,540
a back of an envelope got it. To
our guardians of reality I've

1488
01:27:39,540 --> 01:27:43,860
been a douchebag for too long
and closes a downpayment towards

1489
01:27:43,860 --> 01:27:48,660
knighthood I've often wanted
I've often waited on donating

1490
01:27:48,660 --> 01:27:54,450
for fear of tracking over the
something well no longer if they

1491
01:27:55,080 --> 01:28:00,120
if they throw threw me into a
camp so be it oh, he was here.

1492
01:28:00,870 --> 01:28:03,570
Well, we still didn't mentioned
his name. He's still this fault

1493
01:28:03,570 --> 01:28:06,330
forgotten Jedi. But he's one of
the paranoid listeners and

1494
01:28:06,330 --> 01:28:11,520
there's a lot of them in Los
Angeles. Apparently. Note the

1495
01:28:11,520 --> 01:28:17,670
enclosed patches. Oh, ah, ah oh
from a group called Nevermind

1496
01:28:17,670 --> 01:28:22,470
the name the runes translate to
we few and the Valhalla Bill

1497
01:28:22,470 --> 01:28:25,860
Valhalla one for you and one for
Adam. He dropped off his

1498
01:28:25,890 --> 01:28:30,060
military guy. He dropped off a
couple of scurry patches. I'm

1499
01:28:30,060 --> 01:28:32,760
going to scan him in and figure
out what they mean but they're

1500
01:28:32,760 --> 01:28:36,390
in military patches. Yeah, and
they're velcro so that looks

1501
01:28:36,390 --> 01:28:39,720
like that type of patch you can
put on temporarily right and

1502
01:28:39,720 --> 01:28:43,770
then when the brass come along
you tear them off you know what

1503
01:28:43,770 --> 01:28:46,710
I mean? Yeah, of course. And I
think it's like you know,

1504
01:28:46,710 --> 01:28:50,430
there's there were a lot of
swing Crossbones and like dealt

1505
01:28:50,430 --> 01:28:53,340
with it I remember the soldiers
that were in working with the

1506
01:28:53,400 --> 01:28:58,350
with the Kurds are the YPG and
they were wearing their gear

1507
01:28:58,350 --> 01:28:58,470
yeah

1508
01:28:58,470 --> 01:29:02,280
the US yeah the US were guys
were wearing the white wasn't

1509
01:29:02,280 --> 01:29:03,840
the US guys are wearing YPG I

1510
01:29:03,840 --> 01:29:06,450
think yeah those guys were
wearing their stuff and and it

1511
01:29:06,450 --> 01:29:11,490
was like annoying to the to the
Turks yeah became an issue. I

1512
01:29:11,490 --> 01:29:12,660
think there may be something
going on I

1513
01:29:13,230 --> 01:29:14,850
scan it and I want to see it for
sure.

1514
01:29:14,880 --> 01:29:19,170
Yeah, you have one I have one to
get me to excellent. Anyway,

1515
01:29:19,170 --> 01:29:21,360
thanks for that the Forgotten
Jedi Thank you very much for

1516
01:29:21,360 --> 01:29:28,410
getting given strange and
Norwich, Norfolk UK 265 Happy

1517
01:29:28,410 --> 01:29:32,220
New Years fellas. Thanks for
making 2016 So entertain me Dana

1518
01:29:32,220 --> 01:29:34,740
entertaining and helped me not
only keep my sanity but also

1519
01:29:34,740 --> 01:29:39,210
develop mad skills to help with
our search for the truth is

1520
01:29:39,210 --> 01:29:42,960
donation pushes me into my new
year knighthood I'd like to be

1521
01:29:42,960 --> 01:29:46,350
known as Sir S. Is there
anything beyond that?

1522
01:29:46,410 --> 01:29:50,040
I think it's sort of strange
actually. But I think the Pay

1523
01:29:50,040 --> 01:29:51,720
Pal cut it off to me.

1524
01:29:52,890 --> 01:29:56,040
Onward dude. So he's also the
Associate Executive Producer for

1525
01:29:56,040 --> 01:29:59,490
show what's 291-390-1899

1526
01:29:59,490 --> 01:29:59,940
Or one

1527
01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:07,260
I mark as Marco Strauss in
Ithaca New York to 1985 and I do

1528
01:30:07,260 --> 01:30:08,400
not have a note from

1529
01:30:08,400 --> 01:30:11,310
me I did receive a couple of
notes let me see if I got one

1530
01:30:11,310 --> 01:30:11,850
from him.

1531
01:30:11,850 --> 01:30:16,200
I got something mail. Marco.
Drowsiness Are you s?

1532
01:30:16,770 --> 01:30:21,870
Marco stressed? And negative? I
have nothing.

1533
01:30:22,530 --> 01:30:35,130
Okay. Sta RT is it a US a US?
Okay, STR au s and donation note

1534
01:30:35,160 --> 01:30:36,240
show 891

1535
01:30:36,270 --> 01:30:41,910
Apparently those patches are
called morale patches. Hmm.

1536
01:30:43,290 --> 01:30:48,660
Okay. Probably for teams. Yeah.
Probably illegal assistance is

1537
01:30:48,660 --> 01:30:52,590
probably happy new year to the
two of you you're working on New

1538
01:30:52,590 --> 01:30:55,110
Year's Day is highly
appreciated. I hope the show

1539
01:30:55,110 --> 01:30:58,560
will continue to improve and
2017 and keep providing us a

1540
01:30:58,560 --> 01:31:03,210
safe space for all the suffering
from imbecile media. And it

1541
01:31:03,210 --> 01:31:06,390
please get some jobs
relationship and Green Card

1542
01:31:06,390 --> 01:31:10,920
comma for Green Card karma for
2017 Whatever jingles that might

1543
01:31:10,920 --> 01:31:13,230
be. Thanks a lot and have a
great 2017 Hola best from

1544
01:31:13,230 --> 01:31:14,670
Ithaca, New York Marco.

1545
01:31:15,720 --> 01:31:16,710
So what did he want?

1546
01:31:17,130 --> 01:31:21,600
He wants jobs, relationship and
Green Card karma? I don't know

1547
01:31:21,600 --> 01:31:23,490
what is the all the same? Yeah.

1548
01:31:23,850 --> 01:31:29,490
Okay. We'll do jobs, jobs, jobs
and jobs. Let's Volker jobs.

1549
01:31:31,980 --> 01:31:32,460
Karma.

1550
01:31:35,490 --> 01:31:47,370
Okay, onward to come on TPM D,
and he is doing a $9.11 sensor

1551
01:31:47,370 --> 01:31:53,070
from Pickering. Ontario, Canada.
Long, long time Boehner first

1552
01:31:53,070 --> 01:31:56,430
time donor, please find the
payment donation of 209 11.

1553
01:31:56,430 --> 01:32:02,340
Where nine dot 11 represents the
biggest media hoax of all time.

1554
01:32:03,570 --> 01:32:07,920
Yes. Yeah. You're all in on
that. Which is, you know, so I

1555
01:32:07,920 --> 01:32:11,130
think as you get this point, you
could probably make the argument

1556
01:32:11,130 --> 01:32:12,120
better than you could.

1557
01:32:12,930 --> 01:32:14,580
28 pages. I sure can.

1558
01:32:15,570 --> 01:32:19,710
Yes. 28 pages. Thank you very
much. Damn, thank you for

1559
01:32:19,710 --> 01:32:22,680
putting it out on the weekend.
This holiday weekend, if I'm not

1560
01:32:22,680 --> 01:32:28,290
mistaken. It's so big. I decided
to dedicate fake ologists.com to

1561
01:32:28,290 --> 01:32:33,270
exposing the hoax. It's through
the this site. I promote the

1562
01:32:33,270 --> 01:32:36,660
work of Simon shack and his
groundbreaking 911 movie

1563
01:32:36,660 --> 01:32:40,950
September September two I've
seen this one I gotta go. Some

1564
01:32:40,950 --> 01:32:43,470
people have been asking for some
reasons. It's coming back up in

1565
01:32:43,470 --> 01:32:45,750
the conversation. I'm not
exactly sure why but somebody

1566
01:32:45,750 --> 01:32:50,100
asked the other day, what's the
best movie about 911? And I said

1567
01:32:50,100 --> 01:32:52,740
ask Adam he would know this may
be it here.

1568
01:32:52,889 --> 01:32:54,659
I'm gonna take a look at this
one. I'm interested. Yeah, I'll

1569
01:32:54,659 --> 01:32:55,079
take a look.

1570
01:32:55,590 --> 01:32:59,550
Along with hoi polloi Simon has
created clues forum dot info

1571
01:33:00,270 --> 01:33:05,160
where psyops such as NASA JFK
and and nuclear bomb hoax are

1572
01:33:05,160 --> 01:33:08,850
discussed in a brother years in
other words, we're gonna go that

1573
01:33:08,850 --> 01:33:12,810
far with there's no such thing
as a H bomb. Your show is the

1574
01:33:12,810 --> 01:33:16,200
closest mainstream podcast and
implies some of the major

1575
01:33:16,200 --> 01:33:17,220
revelations a bomb

1576
01:33:17,220 --> 01:33:22,950
not h bomb a bomb. He says you
said age gone but it will be a

1577
01:33:22,950 --> 01:33:23,340
bomb.

1578
01:33:25,380 --> 01:33:27,000
H bomb is not an a bomb.

1579
01:33:28,020 --> 01:33:31,440
The H bomb has the H bomb is
triggered by an a bomb. Okay,

1580
01:33:31,470 --> 01:33:35,070
decent a bomb. Alright. The fire
it won't fire without an a bomb.

1581
01:33:35,100 --> 01:33:40,800
Okay. So, h bomb. Your show is
the closest mainstream podcasts

1582
01:33:40,800 --> 01:33:44,130
that imply some of the major
revelations on 911 The NSA and

1583
01:33:44,130 --> 01:33:47,490
NASA fakery although I can only
hope you'll one day discuss the

1584
01:33:47,490 --> 01:33:51,390
YouTube documentary September
disguise over the top September

1585
01:33:51,390 --> 01:33:54,180
clues I continue to enjoy your
version of media you're my

1586
01:33:54,180 --> 01:33:58,320
version of the deconstruction of
weekly basis by week are the

1587
01:33:58,320 --> 01:34:00,090
good these deduce fake ologists

1588
01:34:02,640 --> 01:34:03,780
ben de Deus

1589
01:34:05,550 --> 01:34:11,610
and Paul out douchebags Marcus
Allen have not interviewed Adam

1590
01:34:11,610 --> 01:34:15,240
a few years back and introduce
me to your show. You remember

1591
01:34:15,240 --> 01:34:21,690
that? No. I don't. Also
douchebag cam of camera radio.

1592
01:34:22,950 --> 01:34:27,390
And Chris Kendall and John Adams
of hoax busters.

1593
01:34:28,080 --> 01:34:29,880
Oh cancers eat call.com

1594
01:34:32,130 --> 01:34:35,940
oaks busters called.com Please
play the following sound effects

1595
01:34:36,150 --> 01:34:40,860
and you see the juice. Beautiful
yum. WPC seven won't go away.

1596
01:34:41,010 --> 01:34:42,090
You will obey.

1597
01:34:42,600 --> 01:34:46,980
And oh my god, that is amazing.
Okay, a little bit much but

1598
01:34:46,980 --> 01:34:49,740
Okay, thank you very much. We
really appreciate you coming in

1599
01:34:49,740 --> 01:34:55,470
on this first day of 2017 Oh my
gosh. Can you see that juice

1600
01:34:55,710 --> 01:35:00,480
beautiful. Um

1601
01:35:10,590 --> 01:35:12,090
karma oh there you go.

1602
01:35:13,320 --> 01:35:15,900
You know I forgot about
beautiful yum that's a good one.

1603
01:35:16,710 --> 01:35:21,210
Lady again come on late at the
end of the show. Okay. All

1604
01:35:21,210 --> 01:35:26,370
right. Onward. David has Sanne
who will 170 I've been douchebag

1605
01:35:26,370 --> 01:35:29,670
for too long if I ever get to be
a night. I like to be called

1606
01:35:29,670 --> 01:35:35,430
Sir. Some happy 2017 Sir D bag.
I think that's what he wants to

1607
01:35:35,430 --> 01:35:38,160
be called. He's back so

1608
01:35:40,140 --> 01:35:42,420
you've been de Deus eautiful

1609
01:35:45,540 --> 01:35:47,910
to Christopher Dolan at
Brookline, Massachusetts, please

1610
01:35:47,910 --> 01:35:52,440
give me a shot at karma. He came
in at $201.02 a shot at karma

1611
01:35:52,650 --> 01:35:54,870
and thanks for the best podcast
in the universe.

1612
01:35:56,370 --> 01:35:58,080
You've got karma

1613
01:36:01,620 --> 01:36:05,130
Sir Henry about post West $2.17
Thanks for your great

1614
01:36:05,130 --> 01:36:09,960
contribution to us in 2016 No,
you will do even more in 2017

1615
01:36:11,130 --> 01:36:15,330
Have a Happy New Year Sir Henry
of outpost West Sir Happy New

1616
01:36:15,330 --> 01:36:18,120
Year to you. Okay, now that
would you say you get the list

1617
01:36:18,120 --> 01:36:23,130
of the DA Slammer stuff I do.
The Slammer it was at the meetup

1618
01:36:23,730 --> 01:36:26,310
dropped off a bunch of instead
of giving you an envelope with a

1619
01:36:26,400 --> 01:36:32,430
donation and it is a complex
bunch of envelopes with a bunch

1620
01:36:32,430 --> 01:36:37,170
of different monies in them
adding up to $200.16 and so can

1621
01:36:37,170 --> 01:36:39,570
you read what it is? How are we
supposed to deal with it? Yeah,

1622
01:36:39,570 --> 01:36:44,850
okay, I'll just read it off. Let
me see from Baroness Baronet

1623
01:36:44,850 --> 01:36:49,560
tests Dame bang bang. Boob
$80.08 Boys gonna get a double

1624
01:36:49,560 --> 01:36:53,700
shot of moving karma Love and
Light we'll do that. Another

1625
01:36:53,700 --> 01:36:57,510
boob donation ad oh eight in the
morning gentle exercise enjoy

1626
01:36:57,510 --> 01:37:02,100
these to find boobs can I get
buzz kills? Choice lewd jingle

1627
01:37:02,100 --> 01:37:05,400
combo thank you for your courage
sir DH Slammer Baron in the

1628
01:37:05,400 --> 01:37:10,200
Central California West Coast
Ventura to Santa Cruz $20 from

1629
01:37:10,230 --> 01:37:15,060
eight year old that's Sir Andrew
his very own money crack button

1630
01:37:15,060 --> 01:37:18,480
buzzkill jingles if you feel
generous to his sub $50 night I

1631
01:37:18,480 --> 01:37:21,420
love bugs the magic number and
Whoa, you got bud slam thank you

1632
01:37:21,420 --> 01:37:24,270
for your courage Sir Andrew
Knight of the mountains. And

1633
01:37:24,270 --> 01:37:29,370
also $20 from 11 year old ladies
samonas own money on my way to

1634
01:37:29,370 --> 01:37:32,400
day hood. Thank you for your
courage lady Simona. Also

1635
01:37:32,400 --> 01:37:35,430
included is a wooden postcard.
Do you have that there?

1636
01:37:37,200 --> 01:37:41,550
Let me see. I have the envelope
bill of envelopes. The esters of

1637
01:37:41,550 --> 01:37:42,480
wooden postcards.

1638
01:37:42,510 --> 01:37:44,610
Tell us about this wooden
postcard.

1639
01:37:45,150 --> 01:37:51,030
It says it's timber gram made of
wood. You can judge this wooden

1640
01:37:51,030 --> 01:37:55,080
cabinet. And on the other side
it says boobies and it shows a

1641
01:37:55,080 --> 01:37:58,080
bunch of different birds that
are boobies. In other words,

1642
01:37:58,080 --> 01:38:03,420
they got the Peruvian movie The
Blue boobie the red tail movie

1643
01:38:03,420 --> 01:38:05,760
there's a bunch of these birds
are like seagulls under their

1644
01:38:05,760 --> 01:38:06,360
boobies.

1645
01:38:07,139 --> 01:38:09,839
Nice thing and I'll

1646
01:38:09,840 --> 01:38:13,380
mail it to you I suppose. Okay,

1647
01:38:13,620 --> 01:38:15,960
let me see if I can get these
jingles in here for everybody

1648
01:38:15,960 --> 01:38:19,500
wanted including a little bit of
karma so we'll start with this

1649
01:38:30,990 --> 01:38:41,040
page like blue the magic number
you got

1650
01:38:46,710 --> 01:38:49,020
All right, thank you. Thank you
very much. thank you especially

1651
01:38:49,020 --> 01:38:55,380
to Sir Andrew and Lady Simona
how nice eight and 11

1652
01:38:55,380 --> 01:38:58,110
respectively with their own
money. Thank you.

1653
01:38:58,710 --> 01:39:01,860
Yeah, you got another donation
coming up later which I will

1654
01:39:01,860 --> 01:39:07,860
recruit a nine year old who?
Donated $140 Yes, Dame Joanie

1655
01:39:07,860 --> 01:39:12,720
daata Frey and Morgantown, West
Virginia. We haven't heard from

1656
01:39:12,720 --> 01:39:17,400
her for a while she came in with
the $200 even and she says if I

1657
01:39:17,400 --> 01:39:21,540
can if this will open and it
won't. I don't know why she's

1658
01:39:22,020 --> 01:39:25,470
gone overboard. I still listen
to every single show and love

1659
01:39:25,470 --> 01:39:29,430
you guys. Please do please de
douche me again. For not doing

1660
01:39:29,430 --> 01:39:34,620
my utmost to keep the best
podcast in the universe. You've

1661
01:39:34,620 --> 01:39:37,620
been de Deus thank you for the
bi weekly dose of sanity and

1662
01:39:37,620 --> 01:39:41,280
making the LOL at the stupid
talking media heads seriously

1663
01:39:41,280 --> 01:39:44,250
shaking my head at the anti
Russia BS that just keeps

1664
01:39:44,280 --> 01:39:48,330
getting deeper by the day WW
three anyone? Hopefully Putin

1665
01:39:48,330 --> 01:39:50,910
will keep being the adult in the
room and sit on his hands hoping

1666
01:39:50,910 --> 01:39:53,790
Trump will defuse the situation
after Inauguration Day scary

1667
01:39:53,790 --> 01:39:58,290
shit right now. I am a Joe. Oh,
may I please have a Sharpton

1668
01:39:58,290 --> 01:40:04,710
resists we much you as much and
if you can find that old, the

1669
01:40:04,710 --> 01:40:10,410
old Hummer Woman Oh, is that
Vivian?

1670
01:40:11,310 --> 01:40:13,920
No, no, no, no, no. They're from
the New York Times.

1671
01:40:15,240 --> 01:40:22,320
That Abramson. Jill Jill
Abramson. Yes. And let me see. I

1672
01:40:22,350 --> 01:40:24,690
don't know if we we call that
did we call her the Berkeley

1673
01:40:24,690 --> 01:40:25,200
Hummer?

1674
01:40:26,610 --> 01:40:28,860
I don't know what we call her I
thought was Jill aber

1675
01:40:30,210 --> 01:40:36,750
we must we must and we will much
about that

1676
01:40:38,640 --> 01:40:44,250
minute I was given an indication
of why and you know, public

1677
01:40:44,460 --> 01:40:47,280
How do you not an indication I'm
just curious, I mean,

1678
01:40:47,430 --> 01:40:50,190
this was before we call it vocal
fry. We called it the Berkeley

1679
01:40:50,190 --> 01:40:53,820
Hummer. That was you identify it
was originally years ago yours

1680
01:40:54,120 --> 01:40:57,750
is terminating you and saying
you no longer have a job? Don't

1681
01:40:57,750 --> 01:41:00,450
they have to sort of tell you
specifically or not?

1682
01:41:01,290 --> 01:41:05,610
That you know I was told some
specifics but basically mainly

1683
01:41:05,610 --> 01:41:10,050
what I was told that it is
completely the privilege of the

1684
01:41:10,050 --> 01:41:15,240
publisher of the New York Times
we serve at his pleasure

1685
01:41:21,210 --> 01:41:23,010
that's painful, painful to
listen to.

1686
01:41:24,090 --> 01:41:27,720
Onward. Dennis price and Pine
Grove, California $200 Happy New

1687
01:41:27,720 --> 01:41:31,230
Year. Thank you, Dennis. Price,
no need to read the program but

1688
01:41:31,230 --> 01:41:33,870
you do track donation amounts of
young while you track your own

1689
01:41:33,870 --> 01:41:37,860
doctor eligibility to track your
own please give me the karma.

1690
01:41:40,350 --> 01:41:42,030
You've got karma.

1691
01:41:43,080 --> 01:41:45,990
Now we have two these are the
two brothers that came to the

1692
01:41:46,020 --> 01:41:52,140
event in Los Angeles and Beverly
Hills Jack genauso genauso and

1693
01:41:52,440 --> 01:41:56,190
his brother, Chris Chris.
Christian is socialist which

1694
01:41:56,190 --> 01:42:00,690
when we got here we had Jackson
Jackson a third readded a they

1695
01:42:00,690 --> 01:42:08,520
both donate 200 bucks each with
separate notes. So Jack has some

1696
01:42:08,550 --> 01:42:12,900
sort of He says his a4 pages I
can type in it's a it's it's a

1697
01:42:12,900 --> 01:42:15,450
type from old some old
typewriter. This guy knows how

1698
01:42:15,450 --> 01:42:20,490
old this thing is on an a4 piece
of paper. crackpot and buzzkill

1699
01:42:20,490 --> 01:42:24,300
thank you for your timeless
efforts, tireless efforts and

1700
01:42:24,300 --> 01:42:26,550
deconstructing media they are an
invaluable source of

1701
01:42:26,550 --> 01:42:30,240
entertainment in illumination,
and closes my donation of 200 It

1702
01:42:30,240 --> 01:42:33,300
is my first donation since
listening to the show over three

1703
01:42:33,300 --> 01:42:38,070
years ago. Oh, I'd like I'd like
a shot of Job's karma and a deed

1704
01:42:38,070 --> 01:42:41,550
douching I look forward to the
future polarity in the coming

1705
01:42:41,550 --> 01:42:45,870
years and hope for more meetups
and the time to cut in the time

1706
01:42:45,870 --> 01:42:50,430
to come have a Happy New Year
and Best wishes. I use a4 paper

1707
01:42:50,430 --> 01:42:53,340
because of its elegance and
natural proportional beauty.

1708
01:42:54,030 --> 01:42:59,430
It's not creepy and the least it
is creepy. It's a creepy yeah,

1709
01:42:59,430 --> 01:42:59,640
I've

1710
01:42:59,639 --> 01:43:00,719
always believed let me take care
of

1711
01:43:03,060 --> 01:43:03,840
bendy

1712
01:43:04,950 --> 01:43:11,760
jobs, jobs and jobs. Let's vote
for jobs. Karma.

1713
01:43:14,880 --> 01:43:20,700
And here's Chris JENICE giugno.
So to new soldier new so one of

1714
01:43:20,700 --> 01:43:24,750
the two aims are to say Hi, John
and Adam, please accept his long

1715
01:43:24,750 --> 01:43:27,480
overdue donation is another $200
which would not be possible

1716
01:43:27,480 --> 01:43:30,780
without the jobs Carmen by a
weekly dose of sanity. You both

1717
01:43:30,780 --> 01:43:36,180
provide and make this donation
in cash at $200. Thanks to Adams

1718
01:43:36,180 --> 01:43:39,030
insightful analysis of the
industry I previously was

1719
01:43:39,030 --> 01:43:43,380
working in the vape industry. I
quickly transition my efforts to

1720
01:43:43,380 --> 01:43:46,470
designing products branding and
packaging for the cannabis

1721
01:43:46,470 --> 01:43:49,890
industry now very good, very
small have been and have been

1722
01:43:49,890 --> 01:43:54,030
handsomely rewarded, although
somewhat M big uselessly due to

1723
01:43:54,030 --> 01:43:57,600
the gray market nature of the
industry. Having met Adam while

1724
01:43:57,600 --> 01:44:01,290
in Houston at the vapor
convention. Oh, oh, I remember.

1725
01:44:02,280 --> 01:44:05,310
Yeah, I am happy that I've been
afforded the opportunity to now

1726
01:44:05,310 --> 01:44:09,180
meet John the other half. Thank
you both for your hard work and

1727
01:44:09,180 --> 01:44:13,590
commitment to providing a high
caliber product. And

1728
01:44:15,390 --> 01:44:19,110
have you seen the marijuana
stocks? There's like three or

1729
01:44:19,110 --> 01:44:19,770
four of them

1730
01:44:20,580 --> 01:44:25,320
on Monday. Hmm, these things are
off the hook. Not the best is

1731
01:44:25,320 --> 01:44:25,950
yet to come.

1732
01:44:27,180 --> 01:44:29,490
Do you know what you know which
one is the best? No,

1733
01:44:29,520 --> 01:44:33,660
I wish I did. Okay, there's a
lot of possibilities. If you dig

1734
01:44:33,660 --> 01:44:40,050
around, I don't have the CBDs I
think is the one that's right

1735
01:44:40,050 --> 01:44:42,270
now it's a crapshoot for
everything true. But what's

1736
01:44:42,270 --> 01:44:44,730
gonna happen what you want to do
is get in on some of these got a

1737
01:44:44,730 --> 01:44:47,610
new ideas got something
patentable or, or something

1738
01:44:47,610 --> 01:44:47,910
maybe

1739
01:44:47,910 --> 01:44:50,100
our producer here maybe our
producer will come up with

1740
01:44:50,250 --> 01:44:51,360
something distinctive.

1741
01:44:51,390 --> 01:44:54,510
Yeah, he might know actually
something distinctive that could

1742
01:44:54,540 --> 01:44:57,000
that because the money is going
to be made as these things get

1743
01:44:57,420 --> 01:45:00,000
bought out and merged. That's
because they're all going to

1744
01:45:00,000 --> 01:45:03,450
Jump jump. Oh, they have to
Yeah. Because there's not going

1745
01:45:03,450 --> 01:45:06,540
to do all these little guys
aren't gonna last. Anyway, that

1746
01:45:06,540 --> 01:45:09,690
would be conclusive of our 891
lessons you need

1747
01:45:09,690 --> 01:45:13,200
any karma or jobs? Yeah, I think
both of them can get a dual

1748
01:45:13,200 --> 01:45:15,630
karma. Well, I'm going to do a
deducing then as well.

1749
01:45:17,490 --> 01:45:23,400
You've been d do jobs, jobs,
jobs and jobs. Let's vote.

1750
01:45:26,310 --> 01:45:31,110
Karma beautiful, nice lists
made. So of course, because we

1751
01:45:31,140 --> 01:45:34,800
put the meetup donations in
there and really nice, everyone

1752
01:45:34,830 --> 01:45:39,330
made it out to the meetup. And
we'll be doing plenty of meetups

1753
01:45:39,330 --> 01:45:44,760
in 2017. In fact, I just
received a note here, since

1754
01:45:44,760 --> 01:45:51,510
Australia is now on. We're
looking at May April. Of course,

1755
01:45:51,510 --> 01:45:55,380
we have our Dame there. The
famous dame, and I have already

1756
01:45:55,380 --> 01:46:00,060
been contacted by her executive
producer on her morning

1757
01:46:00,060 --> 01:46:04,170
television show, so she's gonna
do the show. Yes, Studio 10. Is

1758
01:46:04,350 --> 01:46:08,040
it listen to this? This is a
great note actually. Does. You

1759
01:46:08,040 --> 01:46:10,410
want to hear this note? Yes,
absolutely. She's

1760
01:46:10,410 --> 01:46:11,010
famous.

1761
01:46:11,250 --> 01:46:13,920
Hey, Adam. I'm the executive
producer of a morning TV show in

1762
01:46:13,920 --> 01:46:17,550
Australia called Studio 10. i
And one of our hosts Sarah

1763
01:46:17,550 --> 01:46:20,100
Harris, listen to your podcast
each week. In fact, it was Sarah

1764
01:46:20,100 --> 01:46:24,240
who put me on to no agenda hit
him in the mouth. Nice. Sarah

1765
01:46:24,240 --> 01:46:26,460
just contacted me. Let me know
that you're coming to Australia.

1766
01:46:26,460 --> 01:46:28,890
We'd love to have you on the
show as a guest panelist to talk

1767
01:46:28,920 --> 01:46:32,220
a range of subjects. We cover
politics, news stories and the

1768
01:46:32,220 --> 01:46:35,820
lighter side of life. In fact,
you might be surprised at how

1769
01:46:35,820 --> 01:46:38,520
educated Australians are on
American politics. The recent

1770
01:46:38,520 --> 01:46:40,980
election in the US has been a
big talking point up point on

1771
01:46:40,980 --> 01:46:43,950
our show. Yeah, I'm in of
course.

1772
01:46:44,070 --> 01:46:47,160
Well, I wouldn't mention
something here. That's no

1773
01:46:47,160 --> 01:46:50,070
surprise that they keep up with
our eyes because I had a couple

1774
01:46:50,070 --> 01:46:54,420
of sling boxes in Australia and
I'd watched Australia news and a

1775
01:46:54,420 --> 01:46:58,710
lot of it was US centric. Yeah.
They talked about our

1776
01:46:58,950 --> 01:47:02,790
well we know because we also
have lots of Australian and New

1777
01:47:02,790 --> 01:47:06,570
Zealand. We're also going to New
Zealand producers. So yeah, we

1778
01:47:06,570 --> 01:47:07,470
know we know people

1779
01:47:07,500 --> 01:47:10,650
go to meetups, you're gonna have
an Australian meetup or three.

1780
01:47:12,240 --> 01:47:15,480
There may be church, they're
gonna be multiple because they

1781
01:47:15,480 --> 01:47:19,410
are not there. What's, what's
north, northeast northeast of

1782
01:47:19,410 --> 01:47:26,310
Sydney even. Is that Melbourne?
Maybe it is Melbourne, in

1783
01:47:26,310 --> 01:47:30,180
Melbourne, North. South note
Brisbane, not always Brisbane,

1784
01:47:30,180 --> 01:47:32,820
Brisbane. That's why I'm here is
because the one Yeah, Brisbane.

1785
01:47:33,780 --> 01:47:36,120
So I'm looking forward to that.
Thank you again, of course to

1786
01:47:36,120 --> 01:47:38,550
all of our executive producers,
Associate Executive producers

1787
01:47:38,550 --> 01:47:42,300
for today's program, the very
first one of 2017. We look

1788
01:47:42,300 --> 01:47:47,940
forward to Oh my What is at
least another 100 and 104 shows

1789
01:47:48,150 --> 01:47:51,180
something like that in this
year. And this is how you do it

1790
01:47:51,180 --> 01:47:53,400
in our value for value model.
And of course we thanking other

1791
01:47:53,400 --> 01:47:55,950
people who came in at $50 or
above later on the program and

1792
01:47:55,950 --> 01:48:02,520
another program coming up for
you on Thursday to vote.org/yes.

1793
01:48:02,670 --> 01:48:04,980
That's right and get your
recorder out. Go and play that

1794
01:48:04,980 --> 01:48:06,840
in someone's face. Our formula

1795
01:48:06,840 --> 01:48:10,800
is this. We go out. We get
people in the mouth

1796
01:48:23,250 --> 01:48:27,210
I am getting a few complaints
about the recorder specifically.

1797
01:48:27,540 --> 01:48:29,580
Yeah, okay. Just the recorder
though.

1798
01:48:29,760 --> 01:48:32,730
You're talking about the
nobody's complaining about the

1799
01:48:32,730 --> 01:48:33,330
harmonica?

1800
01:48:33,360 --> 01:48:37,140
No, no, but my recorder should
be arriving today from Amazon.

1801
01:48:37,320 --> 01:48:41,850
Oh, yeah. No, I have to show you
how it's done, son. Huh?

1802
01:48:42,450 --> 01:48:47,340
I got here's a little entre
entre month. This is to me this

1803
01:48:47,340 --> 01:48:50,640
epitomizes what's wrong with the
media. This is a local news

1804
01:48:50,640 --> 01:48:56,550
report. It's called the clip
name is the idiotic local

1805
01:48:56,550 --> 01:48:57,150
report.

1806
01:48:57,540 --> 01:49:00,450
Do you want any more setup? Is
that it?

1807
01:49:00,630 --> 01:49:04,440
Yeah, you'll be a bitch after
that. I'll get I'll get it.

1808
01:49:04,560 --> 01:49:07,170
The department tweeted this
video of a police officer

1809
01:49:07,410 --> 01:49:12,150
pulling over an impaired driver.
Grabbing the vehicle was Darth

1810
01:49:12,150 --> 01:49:16,260
Vader kind of scary for an
officer he should know better.

1811
01:49:16,260 --> 01:49:18,720
And look who's a passenger is a
Storm Trooper Darth Vader's

1812
01:49:18,720 --> 01:49:22,410
tries unsuccessfully to convince
the officer he's okay to drive

1813
01:49:22,410 --> 01:49:25,890
the bottom line. If he can
convince the police to let him

1814
01:49:25,890 --> 01:49:30,930
slide. Neither can you down in
the bottom line. Don't drink and

1815
01:49:30,930 --> 01:49:36,930
drive. I had it right. That the
strangest thing that officers

1816
01:49:36,930 --> 01:49:39,480
ever seen behind the wheel of a
car. That's a good point.

1817
01:49:39,750 --> 01:49:41,220
And who who drove a white
Hummer?

1818
01:49:43,590 --> 01:49:44,400
Tonight if you're heading

1819
01:49:44,400 --> 01:49:48,630
out so I can imagine the
meeting. Guys listen. Whatever

1820
01:49:48,630 --> 01:49:51,030
you do tonight try and relate it
to the new Star Wars movie.

1821
01:49:51,030 --> 01:49:53,430
First of all, it's really
relatable Second of all, big bad

1822
01:49:53,430 --> 01:49:56,130
boy. I mean, what the hell was

1823
01:49:56,280 --> 01:49:59,730
beyond that? It's been that's a
good complaint. But it's been

1824
01:49:59,790 --> 01:50:02,670
good But to me, they played it
as though it's an actual news

1825
01:50:02,670 --> 01:50:06,090
story. This was a produced piece
done by the police department.

1826
01:50:06,990 --> 01:50:09,270
And it was totally produced and
they make it sound. Oh, you

1827
01:50:09,270 --> 01:50:12,030
know, cops run into all kinds of
crazy people behind the wheel.

1828
01:50:12,210 --> 01:50:15,150
Not one person that this was
produced for a purpose of

1829
01:50:15,180 --> 01:50:19,650
sending a message. And it was
blatantly promoting the movie

1830
01:50:19,650 --> 01:50:24,420
rogue ones. Yes. And I just
found it offensive that they

1831
01:50:24,420 --> 01:50:29,580
would. This is reminding me of
the NORAD report of Santa. You

1832
01:50:29,580 --> 01:50:33,930
know, there was oh, Nora corner
of Santa Fe harbor. Scramble all

1833
01:50:33,930 --> 01:50:36,390
jet, you know, and then they
play that kind of strip, but

1834
01:50:36,390 --> 01:50:39,270
that's kind of a kiddie thing.
This is bullcrap that they would

1835
01:50:39,270 --> 01:50:40,110
play this straight

1836
01:50:40,140 --> 01:50:44,010
or that. The NORAD thing was was
funny and cute until 911, when

1837
01:50:44,010 --> 01:50:49,020
NORAD actually effed up and you
know, we got attacked, or that's

1838
01:50:49,020 --> 01:50:53,670
the story. So now NORAD has
like, No, he has no credibility

1839
01:50:53,670 --> 01:51:00,930
with me anymore. But speaking of
Santa Claus, and oddly, you'd

1840
01:51:00,930 --> 01:51:05,820
think you know, whenever there's
a terrorist attack, Germany, UK,

1841
01:51:06,660 --> 01:51:11,250
or France, or anywhere, this big
news we're talking about all the

1842
01:51:11,250 --> 01:51:15,600
whole time. Now we have another
NATO member who had a huge

1843
01:51:15,600 --> 01:51:20,160
terrorist event on New Year's
Eve, and is very little of it.

1844
01:51:20,340 --> 01:51:23,280
Very, very little known in depth
analysis. Of course, this

1845
01:51:23,280 --> 01:51:26,910
happened in Istanbul. And I know
this, I've never been this

1846
01:51:26,910 --> 01:51:29,310
symbol, but I know a lot of
Dutch people actually vacation

1847
01:51:29,310 --> 01:51:31,080
who symbol and they go to this
club.

1848
01:51:31,170 --> 01:51:34,440
I have been to Istanbul and I
have been to two areas where

1849
01:51:34,440 --> 01:51:38,040
there's lots of these clubs.
Yeah, it's actually astonishing.

1850
01:51:38,850 --> 01:51:41,790
Somebody took me to this, they
got to see this area. It's

1851
01:51:41,790 --> 01:51:44,730
astonishing how big these
nightclubs are, and people are

1852
01:51:44,730 --> 01:51:48,540
drinking. They were Muslims who
drink they make a big point of

1853
01:51:48,540 --> 01:51:50,220
that. That's ending.

1854
01:51:51,120 --> 01:51:54,330
So here's just a quick little
report about what happened last

1855
01:51:54,330 --> 01:51:54,570
night.

1856
01:51:54,630 --> 01:51:58,710
We're hearing that at least 35
people have been killed and 40

1857
01:51:58,710 --> 01:52:01,080
people have been injured, some
of them are in a critical

1858
01:52:01,080 --> 01:52:06,330
condition, the attack. The
attack, targeted the Reina

1859
01:52:06,330 --> 01:52:09,030
nightclub here in Istanbul. It's
close to the Bosphorus Bridge,

1860
01:52:09,030 --> 01:52:11,760
which you might be able to pick
up behind me. It is one of the

1861
01:52:11,760 --> 01:52:15,330
most popular nightclubs in
Istanbul indeed in Turkey. And

1862
01:52:15,330 --> 01:52:18,360
it happened shortly after
midnight, when at least one

1863
01:52:18,360 --> 01:52:23,760
attacker entered the nightclub.
He sprayed bullets outside the

1864
01:52:23,760 --> 01:52:27,660
nightclub before entering There
are reports that at least one

1865
01:52:27,660 --> 01:52:31,140
was dressed in a Santa Claus
outfit, and then entered the

1866
01:52:31,140 --> 01:52:34,050
nightclubs. The nightclubs
spraying bullets from a

1867
01:52:34,050 --> 01:52:39,420
Kalashnikov rifle inside killing
civilians and we understand at

1868
01:52:39,420 --> 01:52:41,610
least one police officer

1869
01:52:42,210 --> 01:52:46,560
I got to see the video of the
Santa spraying bullets and this

1870
01:52:46,560 --> 01:52:53,370
is troubling as you know now
it's Turkey has gone completely

1871
01:52:53,370 --> 01:52:57,480
the opposite direction of where
they were. And anything that and

1872
01:52:57,480 --> 01:53:00,060
there were warnings about
Christmas you know that we can't

1873
01:53:00,060 --> 01:53:02,400
have creed Don't be celebrating
Christmas here Don't be doing

1874
01:53:02,400 --> 01:53:03,120
any of this.

1875
01:53:04,920 --> 01:53:10,440
And now we have they went to the
trouble of dressing up in a

1876
01:53:10,440 --> 01:53:16,740
Santa suit to go kill everybody
with a Kalashnikov I might point

1877
01:53:16,740 --> 01:53:22,110
out that's what they say at
least this is I don't know I'd

1878
01:53:22,110 --> 01:53:22,290
like

1879
01:53:23,070 --> 01:53:28,560
to begin there's very no
reporting on this I did see some

1880
01:53:28,560 --> 01:53:32,460
video of the FT was on RT of the
of the guy in his outfit, but it

1881
01:53:32,460 --> 01:53:37,590
was done with a like a night
vision lens. So it was as you

1882
01:53:37,590 --> 01:53:40,200
can see was in some sort of an
outfit like a Santa Claus. But

1883
01:53:40,200 --> 01:53:42,750
it wasn't like a classic and he
would didn't have this big

1884
01:53:42,750 --> 01:53:43,230
belly.

1885
01:53:43,679 --> 01:53:48,359
So there's no evidence note. I
mean, there's dead people. I

1886
01:53:48,359 --> 01:53:51,869
think of dead people. But it's
just the lack of reporting and

1887
01:53:51,899 --> 01:53:54,929
the lack of you know, this is a
NATO country. I guess we did

1888
01:53:54,929 --> 01:53:56,669
some care anymore, or do we
hadn't have no,

1889
01:53:57,179 --> 01:53:59,849
I think a lot of it has to do
with or we're the one I'm

1890
01:53:59,849 --> 01:54:03,989
selfies shut down all the
newspapers. There's no reporters

1891
01:54:03,989 --> 01:54:09,089
over there. Yeah, in fact,
they're not going to get any

1892
01:54:09,089 --> 01:54:10,889
reporting if there's no
reporters.

1893
01:54:11,250 --> 01:54:14,010
Well, that's I think that's the
point is it they just do they

1894
01:54:14,010 --> 01:54:16,710
have no reporters there anymore.
They're always afraid they want

1895
01:54:16,710 --> 01:54:22,620
to be there, which I don't I
don't blame them. But a nice

1896
01:54:22,860 --> 01:54:26,820
couple other things happened.
The new year in France a new

1897
01:54:26,820 --> 01:54:32,340
rule. New rule, no rules, new
rules. The french french

1898
01:54:32,340 --> 01:54:39,750
workers. Now as of January 1,
have the legal right to turn off

1899
01:54:39,750 --> 01:54:45,750
their smartphones outside of
working hours. And this is to

1900
01:54:45,750 --> 01:54:52,200
make an end to the always
available. worker bee.

1901
01:54:53,730 --> 01:54:57,300
Apparently, if you work for
Amazon, whether you're doing

1902
01:54:57,300 --> 01:55:01,230
anything you're on call 24/7 and
If you don't pick up the call a

1903
01:55:01,230 --> 01:55:01,770
fire, yeah.

1904
01:55:03,090 --> 01:55:06,990
Well, that would be illegal in
France. Yeah, should be illegal

1905
01:55:06,990 --> 01:55:14,880
here in the US in the UK. Now,
this was sad news. You remember?

1906
01:55:15,240 --> 01:55:17,910
I don't know how long ago this
was not that long ago some guy

1907
01:55:18,270 --> 01:55:21,840
put bacon put a pack of bacon on
a on a mosque

1908
01:55:23,430 --> 01:55:26,190
as a joke, and I remember this
well, I'd have

1909
01:55:26,190 --> 01:55:28,530
been happening. It also happened
in the States. But this happened

1910
01:55:28,530 --> 01:55:33,360
in the in the UK. And this guy
got a jail sentence. Of course,

1911
01:55:33,360 --> 01:55:36,840
it's a hate crime. This is how
the UK operates. So we got a

1912
01:55:36,840 --> 01:55:40,890
jail sentence for putting bacon
bacon sandwich. He put bacon

1913
01:55:41,100 --> 01:55:44,700
bacon sandwich. Yeah, bacon
sandwiches, plural, outside of

1914
01:55:44,700 --> 01:55:50,460
mosque. This guy was killed in
jail. Holy crap. And you can

1915
01:55:50,460 --> 01:55:52,320
only imagine why and who killed
him?

1916
01:55:52,890 --> 01:55:55,560
Well, yeah, I guess you would
have to figure that out. And

1917
01:55:55,560 --> 01:55:55,770
that

1918
01:55:55,770 --> 01:55:59,730
is, this is this is a strange
world we live in my friends.

1919
01:56:01,050 --> 01:56:02,640
Very strange world.

1920
01:56:05,010 --> 01:56:07,380
All right, well, I could do a
couple of things. Sure. I can go

1921
01:56:07,380 --> 01:56:09,270
to the Atrazine story, I

1922
01:56:09,270 --> 01:56:12,000
was thinking maybe we do the
Atrazine after the after the

1923
01:56:12,270 --> 01:56:15,930
indicee block. Because if you
don't think you want to do it,

1924
01:56:15,930 --> 01:56:18,600
now you would want to do it.
Now. I've been waiting for this.

1925
01:56:18,690 --> 01:56:21,810
A lot of people sent me emails.
And of course, it came back to

1926
01:56:21,810 --> 01:56:25,500
me, I have to say I looked
through all my archives,

1927
01:56:25,500 --> 01:56:27,900
everything could not find your
clips, I see you you've got your

1928
01:56:27,900 --> 01:56:31,020
backup. So that's good. It's
just a fascinating story. And

1929
01:56:31,020 --> 01:56:34,470
interestingly enough, this is
something that the seed man has

1930
01:56:34,470 --> 01:56:36,540
been ranting about for a long
time.

1931
01:56:37,590 --> 01:56:41,190
He does it in a ranting way that
doesn't help. No career doesn't

1932
01:56:41,190 --> 01:56:44,490
help matters. So this will help
matters. Now let's start with

1933
01:56:44,490 --> 01:56:47,160
the introduction, which is the
intro before we meet the

1934
01:56:47,340 --> 01:56:50,550
professor and we have one of his
students apparently has written

1935
01:56:50,550 --> 01:56:55,350
in Yes. It which was he said I
just got to be talking about

1936
01:56:55,350 --> 01:56:57,930
Troy. And I said, Yeah, what
turns out and he said that he

1937
01:56:57,930 --> 01:57:00,900
said some some links to some
other research on this crap,

1938
01:57:01,680 --> 01:57:04,740
including some new work that are
that he's done one of

1939
01:57:04,920 --> 01:57:07,440
your dissertation on it, right?
Yeah, he

1940
01:57:07,440 --> 01:57:10,740
wrote something. And which
indicates that another one of

1941
01:57:10,740 --> 01:57:16,800
the things that this material
does is it creates anxiety of

1942
01:57:16,800 --> 01:57:22,740
the type that would require safe
spaces. This stuff is the worst

1943
01:57:22,740 --> 01:57:24,030
stuff in the world. And it's
been on the

1944
01:57:25,380 --> 01:57:28,110
step back one second. The reason
why this topic is being

1945
01:57:28,110 --> 01:57:32,520
revisited really for the first
time is because of Camille

1946
01:57:32,520 --> 01:57:35,640
Paglia the clips we played on
the last show where she was

1947
01:57:35,640 --> 01:57:40,350
talking about transgenderism.
She says it's cultural. It

1948
01:57:40,440 --> 01:57:44,040
indicates the end of of a
cultural cultural collapse.

1949
01:57:44,730 --> 01:57:49,140
Other things she said it was
about removing masculinity from

1950
01:57:49,170 --> 01:57:52,560
society, which is definitely
something going on there. And

1951
01:57:52,560 --> 01:57:55,200
the third one was that there's
this and I have a clip about

1952
01:57:55,200 --> 01:57:59,970
that later on about this huge
machine that is enabling this

1953
01:57:59,970 --> 01:58:04,110
for very young children who
children are confused just by

1954
01:58:04,110 --> 01:58:07,740
definition. And that's the I
think that we all agree that's

1955
01:58:07,740 --> 01:58:11,280
rather problematic by you. You
came and said I haven't I have a

1956
01:58:11,280 --> 01:58:14,010
different issue different
theory, although maybe an

1957
01:58:14,010 --> 01:58:15,930
additional theory in that as the
Atrazine.

1958
01:58:17,370 --> 01:58:21,180
Let's start with the end one of
the last clips so you get a

1959
01:58:21,180 --> 01:58:25,650
feeling for this. Let's play the
Atrazine seven, Michael Clayton

1960
01:58:25,650 --> 01:58:29,040
moment. And this refers to the
movie Michael Clayton, which I

1961
01:58:29,040 --> 01:58:32,820
recommend everybody's view
because it's a it's a truthful

1962
01:58:32,820 --> 01:58:34,950
rendition of what how a fixer
operates.

1963
01:58:35,430 --> 01:58:38,520
Well, I originally I had some
suspicion that they had hacked

1964
01:58:38,520 --> 01:58:42,090
into my email, and I originally
found out there was a professor

1965
01:58:42,090 --> 01:58:45,690
at Minnesota. And I was going to
give a big lecture and this

1966
01:58:45,690 --> 01:58:48,990
professor in the School of
Public Health. Deb, Deb Debian,

1967
01:58:48,990 --> 01:58:52,140
ASCII said that she happened to
be standing in line at the

1968
01:58:52,140 --> 01:58:54,600
airport, flying back to
Minnesota. And just by

1969
01:58:54,600 --> 01:58:57,690
coincidence, she was standing
behind somebody who was having a

1970
01:58:57,690 --> 01:59:01,020
conversation on his cell phone,
and who identified himself as an

1971
01:59:01,020 --> 01:59:03,540
employee of Syngenta. And he
made the statement we have

1972
01:59:03,540 --> 01:59:06,300
access to his email, we know
where he is at all times. So it

1973
01:59:06,300 --> 01:59:09,960
wasn't just paranoia on my part,
I had direct evidence that they

1974
01:59:09,960 --> 01:59:13,920
had access to my email and, and
at the time, I maintain a second

1975
01:59:13,920 --> 01:59:16,890
and a third email that that I
could keep private and I

1976
01:59:16,890 --> 01:59:20,010
actually use that information
that they had access to my email

1977
01:59:20,010 --> 01:59:24,120
to send them information and
sometimes false information. For

1978
01:59:24,120 --> 01:59:27,120
example, booking plane tickets
through that email because then

1979
01:59:27,120 --> 01:59:29,460
I could send them to the wrong
place. So they wouldn't

1980
01:59:29,460 --> 01:59:31,620
necessarily be there to follow
me when I was going to speak in

1981
01:59:31,620 --> 01:59:32,220
other places.

1982
01:59:32,520 --> 01:59:34,980
Okay, who was behind it was
after him

1983
01:59:35,790 --> 01:59:40,050
Syngenta, the company that makes
Atrazine so let's start with the

1984
01:59:40,050 --> 01:59:43,170
premise. This is Atrazine one.
This is the intro before we get

1985
01:59:43,170 --> 01:59:44,250
to talk to you with Troy.

1986
01:59:44,490 --> 01:59:47,130
University of California
scientists have discovered that

1987
01:59:47,130 --> 01:59:50,790
a popular herbicide may have
harmful effects on the endocrine

1988
01:59:50,790 --> 01:59:55,890
system. Tyrone Hayes was first
hired in 1997 by a company that

1989
01:59:55,890 --> 01:59:59,970
later became agribusiness giant
Syngenta. They asked him to

1990
02:00:00,000 --> 02:00:03,420
study their product their
product Atrazine, a pesticide

1991
02:00:03,420 --> 02:00:06,060
that is applied to more than
half the corn crops in the

1992
02:00:06,060 --> 02:00:10,170
United States and widely used on
golf courses and Christmas tree

1993
02:00:10,170 --> 02:00:14,910
farms. But after Hayes found
results that the manufacturer

1994
02:00:14,910 --> 02:00:18,810
did not expect that Atrazine
causes sexual abnormalities in

1995
02:00:18,810 --> 02:00:22,470
frogs and could cause the same
problems for humans, Syngenta

1996
02:00:22,470 --> 02:00:26,310
refused to allow him to publish
his work. This was the start of

1997
02:00:26,310 --> 02:00:29,550
an epic feud between the
scientist and the corporation.

1998
02:00:29,580 --> 02:00:32,580
Now a new article in The New
Yorker magazine uses court

1999
02:00:32,580 --> 02:00:36,000
documents from a class action
lawsuit against Syngenta to show

2000
02:00:36,000 --> 02:00:38,610
how it sought to prevent the
Environmental Protection Agency

2001
02:00:38,610 --> 02:00:42,060
from banning the profitable
chemical which is already banned

2002
02:00:42,150 --> 02:00:45,810
by the European Union. To start
with the company's public

2003
02:00:45,810 --> 02:00:49,620
relations team drafted a list of
four goals reporter Rachel Aviv

2004
02:00:49,770 --> 02:00:53,790
writes quote, the first was,
quote discredit haze. In a

2005
02:00:53,790 --> 02:00:57,180
spiral bound notebook. Syngenta
is communications manager Sherry

2006
02:00:57,180 --> 02:01:01,050
Ford, who referred to Hayes by
his initials, wrote that the

2007
02:01:01,080 --> 02:01:06,540
company could prevent citing of
th data by revealing him as non

2008
02:01:06,540 --> 02:01:09,510
credible he was a frequent topic
of conversation at company

2009
02:01:09,510 --> 02:01:13,140
meetings. Syngenta looked for
ways to exploit Hayes faults

2010
02:01:13,140 --> 02:01:17,730
problems. If th involved in
scandal, enviros will drop him

2011
02:01:17,730 --> 02:01:21,390
Ford Road. Well, for more we're
joined by th himself. That's

2012
02:01:21,390 --> 02:01:25,770
right. Tyrone Hayes is with us,
Professor of Integrative Biology

2013
02:01:25,770 --> 02:01:29,160
at the University of California,
Berkeley, joining us from the

2014
02:01:29,160 --> 02:01:33,210
campus TV station right now in
Berkeley. Welcome to Democracy

2015
02:01:33,210 --> 02:01:37,470
Now. Can you tell us what
happened to you how you were

2016
02:01:37,470 --> 02:01:41,790
originally tied to Syngenta, the
research you did? And what

2017
02:01:41,790 --> 02:01:44,040
prevented you from originally
publishing it?

2018
02:01:44,580 --> 02:01:47,040
How long ago is all this
reporting from John?

2019
02:01:47,670 --> 02:01:51,120
Well, The New Yorker article
came out quite some time ago.

2020
02:01:51,120 --> 02:01:55,440
This is This interview was about
a year ago. And it this has been

2021
02:01:55,440 --> 02:01:58,170
going on though, and it's been
reported on and off since about

2022
02:01:58,170 --> 02:02:04,860
19. About the year 2000. So I
mean, that would this is not

2023
02:02:04,860 --> 02:02:09,450
news. No, but it's but it's
underreported, except for except

2024
02:02:09,450 --> 02:02:13,620
for your buddy down the street
there who talks about it and

2025
02:02:13,620 --> 02:02:17,040
nobody talks about? This is an
underreported suppressed news

2026
02:02:17,040 --> 02:02:19,440
let's just put it that way. And
it will continue to be so

2027
02:02:19,440 --> 02:02:22,020
because is apparently this
product was very important to

2028
02:02:22,020 --> 02:02:25,680
corn crops is being used to an
extreme couple mistakes. They

2029
02:02:25,680 --> 02:02:28,140
keep making they call it a
pesticide they call it at this

2030
02:02:28,140 --> 02:02:32,160
they call it is that herbicide.
It's a type of weed killer.

2031
02:02:33,150 --> 02:02:34,860
So similar to round up,

2032
02:02:35,670 --> 02:02:39,810
no, Roundup does it a different
way it but but similar in the

2033
02:02:39,810 --> 02:02:44,010
fact that it apparently is a
carcinogen to besides guzzling

2034
02:02:44,010 --> 02:02:44,970
estrogen issues.

2035
02:02:45,030 --> 02:02:49,500
And besides that, oh, golf
courses and Christmas tree

2036
02:02:49,500 --> 02:02:52,680
farms. Yeah. Oh, my goodness.
You know what, you know, have

2037
02:02:52,680 --> 02:02:56,640
you ever seen the women on golf
courses? Just saying.

2038
02:02:58,740 --> 02:03:01,080
Well, that's why I can recommend
the plastic trees.

2039
02:03:02,700 --> 02:03:07,290
Thing is crazy, though. That's,
that's dangerous. You get to

2040
02:03:07,290 --> 02:03:08,670
bring that into your house.

2041
02:03:09,120 --> 02:03:11,850
Yeah, well, you also the real
problem is the water supply

2042
02:03:11,850 --> 02:03:14,310
where the stuffs creeps in and
the most of the Midwest and

2043
02:03:14,310 --> 02:03:21,420
Texas. Let's start with the with
what I call a bad question. And

2044
02:03:21,420 --> 02:03:24,600
I'll explain why after that,
too. Well,

2045
02:03:24,930 --> 02:03:28,290
here at Berkeley, I was a new
assistant professor, I was

2046
02:03:28,290 --> 02:03:31,230
already studying the effects of
hormones and the effects of

2047
02:03:31,500 --> 02:03:33,570
chemicals that interfere with
hormones when amphibian

2048
02:03:33,570 --> 02:03:36,690
development and I was approached
by the manufacturer and asked to

2049
02:03:36,690 --> 02:03:40,950
study the effects of Atrazine,
the herbicide on frogs, and

2050
02:03:40,950 --> 02:03:44,070
after it stopped, discovered
that it interfered with male

2051
02:03:44,070 --> 02:03:47,820
development and caused males to
turn into females to develop

2052
02:03:47,850 --> 02:03:51,390
eggs. The company tried to
prevent me from publishing and

2053
02:03:51,390 --> 02:03:54,450
from discussing that work with
other scientists outside of

2054
02:03:54,450 --> 02:03:55,590
their panel.

2055
02:03:56,190 --> 02:03:59,580
What was the process within the
company as you raised your

2056
02:03:59,580 --> 02:04:04,590
findings? So what was their
immediate reaction to to what

2057
02:04:04,590 --> 02:04:05,580
you have come across?

2058
02:04:07,050 --> 02:04:11,010
Well, initially, they seem sort
of supportive. We, you know, we

2059
02:04:11,010 --> 02:04:14,790
design more studies, we designed
more analysis, and they

2060
02:04:14,790 --> 02:04:17,280
encouraged me to do more
analysis. But as the further

2061
02:04:17,280 --> 02:04:20,910
analysis just supported the
original finding, they became

2062
02:04:20,910 --> 02:04:23,460
less interested in moving
forward very quickly. And

2063
02:04:23,460 --> 02:04:28,800
eventually they moved to asking
me to manipulate data or to rep

2064
02:04:28,800 --> 02:04:31,650
misrepresent data. And
ultimately, they told me I could

2065
02:04:31,650 --> 02:04:35,190
not publish or could not talk
about the data outside of their

2066
02:04:35,190 --> 02:04:36,000
closed panel.

2067
02:04:36,210 --> 02:04:40,740
And Professor Hayes talk about
exactly what you found. What

2068
02:04:40,740 --> 02:04:45,000
were the abnormalities you found
in frogs, the gender bending

2069
02:04:45,000 --> 02:04:47,490
nature of this drug?
Interesting.

2070
02:04:48,000 --> 02:04:50,640
I've read this does that mean
they actually the frogs that

2071
02:04:50,640 --> 02:04:54,300
have been changed can reproduce?
Yeah, they become totally

2072
02:04:54,300 --> 02:04:54,930
female.

2073
02:04:55,560 --> 02:05:00,120
Couple of things about this.
When Amy comes in, she's done As

2074
02:05:00,120 --> 02:05:03,390
two things one she in her style
of interview is, will add them

2075
02:05:03,420 --> 02:05:07,350
talk about. Yeah. Talk about the
talk about what you know where

2076
02:05:07,350 --> 02:05:10,020
that comes to asking a nice
question is to talk about.

2077
02:05:11,010 --> 02:05:13,170
I'll tell you why. That's
because they had a pre interview

2078
02:05:13,170 --> 02:05:15,750
with some producer, the
producer. Oh, he's got a great

2079
02:05:15,750 --> 02:05:17,100
story about the frogs. Yeah,

2080
02:05:17,130 --> 02:05:19,440
no, I understand that. Well, but
yet everyone understands.

2081
02:05:19,440 --> 02:05:21,930
I'm tell I'm reiterating for the
listening audience.

2082
02:05:22,440 --> 02:05:27,150
You're also she also calls it a
drug, immediate. It's a pet.

2083
02:05:27,150 --> 02:05:30,600
It's herbicides. The other guy
calls it a pesticide. She calls

2084
02:05:30,600 --> 02:05:35,940
it a drug. It's not a drug,
immediate. That's what she does.

2085
02:05:35,970 --> 02:05:40,080
And so, and I like their use of
the term gender bending. And

2086
02:05:40,080 --> 02:05:43,140
we'll go to the three words, we
need to reiterate that is that

2087
02:05:43,140 --> 02:05:46,680
gender bending nature of this
drug Atrazine?

2088
02:05:47,310 --> 02:05:50,460
Well, initially, we found that
the larynx or the voice box in

2089
02:05:50,490 --> 02:05:53,520
exposed males didn't grow
properly. And this was an

2090
02:05:53,520 --> 02:05:56,640
indication that the male hormone
testosterone was not being

2091
02:05:56,640 --> 02:06:00,930
produced at appropriate levels.
And eventually, we found that

2092
02:06:00,930 --> 02:06:04,140
not only were these males damask
analyzed or chemically

2093
02:06:04,140 --> 02:06:08,400
castrated, but they also were
starting to develop ovaries are

2094
02:06:08,400 --> 02:06:11,190
starting to develop eggs. And
eventually, we discovered that

2095
02:06:11,190 --> 02:06:14,730
these males didn't breed
properly, that some of the males

2096
02:06:14,730 --> 02:06:18,030
actually completely turned into
females. So we had genetic males

2097
02:06:18,030 --> 02:06:21,060
that were laying eggs and
reproducing as females. And now

2098
02:06:21,060 --> 02:06:24,450
we're starting to show that some
of these males actually show I

2099
02:06:24,450 --> 02:06:28,140
guess, what we call homosexual
behavior, they actually prefer

2100
02:06:28,140 --> 02:06:29,460
to mate with other males.

2101
02:06:31,650 --> 02:06:34,920
Now, interesting thing on this
one was the voice box thing,

2102
02:06:35,130 --> 02:06:38,190
because I've pointed this out
before there's so many males

2103
02:06:38,190 --> 02:06:42,510
today that have that that kind
of high pitch. I think Chris

2104
02:06:42,510 --> 02:06:43,230
Hayes has a

2105
02:06:43,230 --> 02:06:46,740
is that for sure. Yeah. Kind of
a high. You got to make a

2106
02:06:46,740 --> 02:06:50,670
decision, either. He's, he's had
a vasectomy or he's been

2107
02:06:51,840 --> 02:06:53,160
drinking Atrazine

2108
02:06:53,850 --> 02:06:56,760
of the second, he's not going to
change your voice. Okay, true.

2109
02:06:58,440 --> 02:07:00,660
This this high pitched voice
when you hear when you see a lot

2110
02:07:00,660 --> 02:07:03,180
of interviews with the college
kids that want the safe space

2111
02:07:03,180 --> 02:07:06,420
those people and I'm saying
those people, I understand that

2112
02:07:07,230 --> 02:07:10,470
they have this, this voice and
then you everyone says, Is this

2113
02:07:10,470 --> 02:07:13,680
a girl? Or is this the guy can
tell from their voice? It could

2114
02:07:13,680 --> 02:07:16,290
say it'd be a girl with a husky
or voice or even it's not even

2115
02:07:16,290 --> 02:07:21,360
that husky. And I believe that
this coincidence is not a

2116
02:07:21,360 --> 02:07:23,940
coincidence. And I think there's
a high pitched voice mails,

2117
02:07:23,940 --> 02:07:27,150
which there's tons of especially
in college today, which would

2118
02:07:27,150 --> 02:07:29,910
have been raised from the many
of them in their 20s. This has

2119
02:07:29,910 --> 02:07:34,140
been in the in the US since the
90s. It's just about the right

2120
02:07:34,140 --> 02:07:38,010
point in time for them to be,
you know, coming of age with

2121
02:07:38,010 --> 02:07:42,060
this. Hi. I have a course high
pitched voice question. So

2122
02:07:42,210 --> 02:07:46,950
about the frogs. It has the
Atrazine has the ability to

2123
02:07:46,980 --> 02:07:51,030
change for frogs to gender
Bender eyes? And what does it do

2124
02:07:51,030 --> 02:07:53,130
to female frogs and make them
more female?

2125
02:07:54,000 --> 02:07:57,420
There was no this was never
addressed. Okay. It's all about

2126
02:07:57,420 --> 02:08:00,120
the males. All right, onward.

2127
02:08:00,630 --> 02:08:02,760
And so where did you go with
your research?

2128
02:08:03,510 --> 02:08:08,430
Well, eventually what happened
was the EPA insisted that the

2129
02:08:08,430 --> 02:08:11,310
Environmental Protection Agency
insisted that the manufacturer

2130
02:08:11,310 --> 02:08:14,190
release me from the
confidentiality contract. And we

2131
02:08:14,190 --> 02:08:17,790
published our findings in pretty
high ranking journals such as

2132
02:08:17,790 --> 02:08:20,190
Proceedings of the National
Academy of Sciences, we

2133
02:08:20,190 --> 02:08:24,060
published some work in nature,
we publish work in Environmental

2134
02:08:24,060 --> 02:08:26,790
Health Perspectives, which is a
journal sponsored by the

2135
02:08:26,790 --> 02:08:27,960
National Institutes of Health.

2136
02:08:29,070 --> 02:08:31,800
And when did you begin to get a
sense that the company was

2137
02:08:31,800 --> 02:08:35,700
organizing a campaign against
you? What were the signs that

2138
02:08:35,700 --> 02:08:40,380
you saw, post, the period when
you'll be published your

2139
02:08:40,380 --> 02:08:41,040
findings?

2140
02:08:41,850 --> 02:08:44,610
Before we publish the findings,
and before the EPA became

2141
02:08:44,610 --> 02:08:47,940
involved, the company tried to
purchase the data, they tried to

2142
02:08:47,940 --> 02:08:51,270
give me a new contract so that
they would then control the data

2143
02:08:51,270 --> 02:08:54,210
and the experiments, they
actually tried to get me to come

2144
02:08:54,210 --> 02:08:57,060
and visit the company to get
control of those data. And when

2145
02:08:57,060 --> 02:09:00,420
I refused, I invited them to the
university, I offered to share

2146
02:09:00,420 --> 02:09:03,180
data, but they wanted to
purchase the data. And then they

2147
02:09:03,180 --> 02:09:05,820
actually, as mentioned in the
New Yorker article, they

2148
02:09:05,820 --> 02:09:09,660
actually hired scientists to try
to refute the data or to pick

2149
02:09:09,660 --> 02:09:12,690
apart the data and eventually,
they hired scientists that do

2150
02:09:12,690 --> 02:09:15,960
experiments that they claim
refuted our data. And, and then

2151
02:09:15,960 --> 02:09:19,770
that escalated to the company
actually tempesta in particular,

2152
02:09:20,460 --> 02:09:23,640
and others from the company
coming to presentations that or

2153
02:09:23,640 --> 02:09:28,290
lectures that I was giving to
make handouts, or to stand up

2154
02:09:28,290 --> 02:09:31,080
and refute the data, and
eventually even lead to things

2155
02:09:31,080 --> 02:09:34,740
like threats of violence. Tim
pester for example, before I

2156
02:09:34,740 --> 02:09:37,860
would give a talk with with
literally threatened whisper in

2157
02:09:37,860 --> 02:09:40,950
my ear that he could have me
lynched or he would, quote said

2158
02:09:40,950 --> 02:09:43,560
he would send some of his good
old boys to show me what it used

2159
02:09:43,560 --> 02:09:46,800
to be. Or at one point he
threatened my wife and my

2160
02:09:46,800 --> 02:09:49,890
daughter with with sexual
violence. He would whisper

2161
02:09:49,890 --> 02:09:52,800
things like your wife's at home
alone right now. How do you know

2162
02:09:52,800 --> 02:09:55,530
I haven't sent somebody there to
take care of her isn't your

2163
02:09:55,530 --> 02:09:58,560
daughter there? So eventually,
it really slipped into some

2164
02:09:59,130 --> 02:10:01,620
pretty good Pretty scary
tactics,

2165
02:10:01,680 --> 02:10:03,570
or didn't he filed a complaint

2166
02:10:04,740 --> 02:10:10,320
apparently tried. It's not that
easy in this recording people.

2167
02:10:10,500 --> 02:10:14,670
He discusses that a little bit.
There was a couple of things in

2168
02:10:14,670 --> 02:10:16,770
here I thought was interesting
though, if you just look at it

2169
02:10:16,770 --> 02:10:20,250
from a scientific perspective,
he had the data, he had done

2170
02:10:20,250 --> 02:10:23,730
this research and they just
hired scientists to counter the

2171
02:10:23,730 --> 02:10:27,210
data. In other words, do counter
studies. And they was just

2172
02:10:27,210 --> 02:10:30,330
bought off. I mean, this, this
is the kind of corruption I

2173
02:10:30,330 --> 02:10:33,030
believe that we're seeing with
the global warming community.

2174
02:10:34,590 --> 02:10:37,620
And we talked to people in fact,
it was exactly the same thing.

2175
02:10:38,220 --> 02:10:41,220
One of the guys that was at the
meetup talked about his one of

2176
02:10:41,220 --> 02:10:43,680
his pals is like a
climatologist, and he did

2177
02:10:43,680 --> 02:10:47,040
something that showed something
that wasn't a was a kosher

2178
02:10:47,070 --> 02:10:49,650
margin. He was concerned he
couldn't get any more contracts

2179
02:10:50,040 --> 02:10:53,340
to do anything unless he toed
the line on global warming

2180
02:10:53,340 --> 02:10:56,790
climate change and, and said
what you know, they want you to

2181
02:10:56,790 --> 02:10:59,850
say, which is what's going on
right now, even if nobody

2182
02:10:59,850 --> 02:11:04,860
bitches about that. They bitch
about the climate skeptics. So

2183
02:11:04,890 --> 02:11:07,950
we have an issue that's that's a
societal issue. That's

2184
02:11:07,950 --> 02:11:13,200
problematic. I'm almost
convinced now that it sounds a

2185
02:11:13,200 --> 02:11:17,970
little little crack potty. But
I'm almost convinced now that

2186
02:11:18,000 --> 02:11:24,540
the global warming opinions are
a test to see if it to see if

2187
02:11:24,540 --> 02:11:26,760
you are susceptible to being

2188
02:11:27,120 --> 02:11:30,810
brainwashed, or what would the
test for what is the next

2189
02:11:31,019 --> 02:11:33,359
task to show you go like you're
going to go along with the

2190
02:11:33,359 --> 02:11:35,549
program, you're going to be a
good little boy, you're going to

2191
02:11:35,549 --> 02:11:39,869
be a good citizen in the global
system, the global system, or

2192
02:11:39,869 --> 02:11:43,379
the One World Order kind of new
world orders kind of thing.

2193
02:11:43,409 --> 02:11:45,149
That's just my thinking. Right?

2194
02:11:45,150 --> 02:11:48,510
But I'm just saying so do that.
Do that on individual basis, or

2195
02:11:48,510 --> 02:11:52,500
a country basis? Which country
is all in? I mean, you if you go

2196
02:11:52,500 --> 02:11:53,100
all the way,

2197
02:11:53,490 --> 02:11:58,140
I think it's all all of the
above. And who was they? They is

2198
02:11:58,140 --> 02:12:00,510
the big giant, there's the
elites, the people, we're

2199
02:12:00,510 --> 02:12:04,740
talking about the people that
that David Icke likes to cite,

2200
02:12:05,070 --> 02:12:07,350
as running everything that
people that live to be 100 years

2201
02:12:07,350 --> 02:12:11,700
old, effortlessly. The queen,
David Rockefeller, these guys

2202
02:12:11,700 --> 02:12:16,530
are live forever. I won't go as
far as saying the lizard people.

2203
02:12:18,090 --> 02:12:23,280
But I could, yeah, they can have
a show. We can skip the long

2204
02:12:23,280 --> 02:12:26,070
clip, which is the optional.
It's about the corruption of the

2205
02:12:26,070 --> 02:12:26,640
system.

2206
02:12:26,670 --> 02:12:29,010
I don't mind hearing it,
actually. I mean, we're, we're a

2207
02:12:29,010 --> 02:12:31,740
little late for our segment. But
this is very interesting. We've

2208
02:12:31,740 --> 02:12:34,110
been waiting for it for a long
time. So he's gonna talk about

2209
02:12:34,110 --> 02:12:36,270
the general corruption in the
scientific community,

2210
02:12:36,870 --> 02:12:38,340
I think, yeah, more or less.

2211
02:12:39,240 --> 02:12:42,660
So what did you do? I mean,
you're actually I mean, this is

2212
02:12:42,660 --> 02:12:45,810
very serious. You can bring
criminal charges if you're being

2213
02:12:45,810 --> 02:12:48,750
threatened and stalked in this
way. Well,

2214
02:12:49,440 --> 02:12:52,440
initially, I went to my vice
chancellor here at the

2215
02:12:52,440 --> 02:12:55,410
university, I went to my dean, I
went to legal counsel here at

2216
02:12:55,410 --> 02:12:59,250
the university. And I was told
by legal counsel that I was

2217
02:12:59,250 --> 02:13:01,260
told, first of all, by the Vice
Chancellor for Research at the

2218
02:13:01,260 --> 02:13:04,170
time, that while you publish the
work, it's over. So I don't

2219
02:13:04,170 --> 02:13:07,290
understand what the problem is.
And I tried to impress upon her,

2220
02:13:07,530 --> 02:13:10,500
Beth Burnside at the time that
you know that but it wasn't over

2221
02:13:10,500 --> 02:13:13,740
that I was really being pursued
by the manufacturer. And

2222
02:13:13,740 --> 02:13:16,260
eventually, when I spoke with
the lawyer here at the

2223
02:13:16,260 --> 02:13:19,620
university, I was told that,
well, I represent the university

2224
02:13:19,620 --> 02:13:22,530
to like protect the university
from liability. You're kind of

2225
02:13:22,530 --> 02:13:25,410
on your own. And, and I remember
I looked at him and I said, but

2226
02:13:25,410 --> 02:13:28,620
the very University from the
Latin University toss is a

2227
02:13:28,620 --> 02:13:32,730
collection of scholars of
teachers and students. So who is

2228
02:13:32,730 --> 02:13:34,980
this entity, the university that
you represent? That doesn't

2229
02:13:34,980 --> 02:13:35,610
include me?

2230
02:13:35,760 --> 02:13:40,140
Is this a Berkeley? Yeah, yeah,
Cal Berkeley. Nice, but

2231
02:13:40,140 --> 02:13:43,200
clearly, there's some entity
that that doesn't really include

2232
02:13:43,410 --> 02:13:46,590
us, the professors and students
and doesn't really protect

2233
02:13:46,590 --> 02:13:49,710
academic freedom. I think the
way that it should. I wanted

2234
02:13:49,710 --> 02:13:52,590
to ask you about one of your
critics, Elizabeth Whelan,

2235
02:13:52,590 --> 02:13:55,740
president of the American
Council on Science and Health,

2236
02:13:56,040 --> 02:13:58,860
when the New York Times ran a
critical story about the

2237
02:13:58,860 --> 02:14:02,820
herbicides part of its toxic
water series in 2009. She

2238
02:14:02,820 --> 02:14:06,180
referred to its reporting as
quote all the news that's fit to

2239
02:14:06,180 --> 02:14:11,010
scare. This is a clip of Waylon
from an interview on MSNBC.

2240
02:14:11,700 --> 02:14:15,180
I very much disagree with the
New York Times story, which is

2241
02:14:15,180 --> 02:14:19,800
really raising concerns about a
totally bogus risk. Atrazine has

2242
02:14:19,800 --> 02:14:23,130
been used for more than 50
years. It's very, very tightly

2243
02:14:23,130 --> 02:14:26,100
regulated. Even the
Environmental Protection Agency

2244
02:14:26,100 --> 02:14:29,220
which is not known for soft
peddling about the environmental

2245
02:14:29,220 --> 02:14:31,110
chemicals, even they say it's
safe.

2246
02:14:31,830 --> 02:14:35,550
Turns out that Syngenta has been
a long term financial supporter

2247
02:14:35,550 --> 02:14:38,280
of wetlands organization, the
American Council on Science and

2248
02:14:38,280 --> 02:14:44,220
Health, paying them at least
$100,000. Your comments on on

2249
02:14:44,220 --> 02:14:45,300
her remarks?

2250
02:14:45,810 --> 02:14:47,700
Well, again, they're paid
remarks and one of the most

2251
02:14:47,700 --> 02:14:50,820
disheartening things in this
whole process is that many of my

2252
02:14:50,820 --> 02:14:53,250
critics, it's wanted to be
academic. If you come and say,

2253
02:14:53,250 --> 02:14:55,980
well, we interpreted the data
this way and we want to argue

2254
02:14:55,980 --> 02:14:58,680
about this point, but these
people really didn't even have

2255
02:14:58,920 --> 02:15:01,350
an opinion. There's these
opinions were written by the

2256
02:15:01,350 --> 02:15:04,440
manufacturer and they were paid
to put their names on them to

2257
02:15:04,440 --> 02:15:07,710
endorse the opinions of the
manufacturer. So, you know,

2258
02:15:07,710 --> 02:15:09,360
that's one of the most
disheartening things is that

2259
02:15:09,390 --> 02:15:12,960
they were really just
personalities for sale. And many

2260
02:15:12,960 --> 02:15:15,660
of the things that she's saying
there's just not true there's

2261
02:15:16,110 --> 02:15:19,830
any independent study from any
scientists is not funded by

2262
02:15:19,830 --> 02:15:22,860
Syngenta has found similar
problems with Atrazine, not just

2263
02:15:22,860 --> 02:15:25,770
my work on frogs, but I've just
published a paper with 22.

2264
02:15:25,770 --> 02:15:28,980
Scientists from around the world
from 12 Different countries who

2265
02:15:28,980 --> 02:15:32,640
have shown that Atrazine causes
sexual problems in mammals and

2266
02:15:32,640 --> 02:15:35,820
that Atrazine causes sexual
problems in birds, amphibians,

2267
02:15:35,820 --> 02:15:39,300
fish, so it's not just my work
and amphibians and amphibians.

2268
02:15:39,630 --> 02:15:43,500
And also with regards to the
EPA, one of the scientific

2269
02:15:43,500 --> 02:15:46,920
advisory panel members on the
EPA that was supposed to review

2270
02:15:46,920 --> 02:15:51,810
Atrazine turns out is paid and
works for Syngenta. So the whole

2271
02:15:51,810 --> 02:15:54,870
process was tainted. And in
fact, the EPA ignored the

2272
02:15:54,870 --> 02:15:58,770
scientific advisory panel's
opinion and actually decided to

2273
02:15:58,770 --> 02:16:01,500
keep Atrazine in the market and
not to do any more studies when

2274
02:16:01,500 --> 02:16:03,750
it clearly wasn't the
recommendation of the scientific

2275
02:16:03,750 --> 02:16:04,440
advisory panel.

2276
02:16:04,770 --> 02:16:08,700
What I'm missing here where's
the study on mice? Isn't my

2277
02:16:08,700 --> 02:16:11,340
supposed to be the the closest
to human

2278
02:16:12,600 --> 02:16:18,090
test subjects? That I know we
have a student a student is work

2279
02:16:18,090 --> 02:16:21,330
with Troy we can find out yeah,
I'd like to know I'd like they

2280
02:16:21,330 --> 02:16:23,760
weren't doing anything on mice.
He started off this whole thing

2281
02:16:23,760 --> 02:16:28,050
is about this frog study and the
rest of its, you know, secondary

2282
02:16:28,050 --> 02:16:31,770
and I think there's probably
been suppressed to this sounds

2283
02:16:31,770 --> 02:16:33,720
like a lot of suppression going
on because there's a lot of

2284
02:16:33,720 --> 02:16:37,290
money being made. I also to get
the sense that some people don't

2285
02:16:37,290 --> 02:16:40,830
give a crap. And you mentioned
the last show that Keith Paglia

2286
02:16:40,830 --> 02:16:43,860
is talking about the war on men
this is perfect that the

2287
02:16:43,860 --> 02:16:45,900
chemical castration what's gonna
be better

2288
02:16:46,260 --> 02:16:51,960
is literally chemical castration
Yeah. Oh my this is disturbing.

2289
02:16:52,530 --> 02:16:56,010
Very disturbing. All right
onward with a little shorter

2290
02:16:56,010 --> 02:16:58,800
clip on the on the another
little side effect of this crap.

2291
02:16:59,040 --> 02:17:02,430
I mean, Professor Hayes This is
stunning stuff that came out in

2292
02:17:02,430 --> 02:17:05,490
this class action suit. The suit
wasn't brought by you. But the

2293
02:17:05,490 --> 02:17:10,440
documents that came out that
referenced you Tyrone Hayes T H

2294
02:17:10,440 --> 02:17:15,030
and trying to discredit you
trying to discredit your family

2295
02:17:16,620 --> 02:17:20,190
talk but then that was a lawsuit
that involved Atrazine

2296
02:17:20,190 --> 02:17:23,850
contaminating water supplies.
But what was your reaction when

2297
02:17:23,850 --> 02:17:26,490
you saw this? You suspected this
you felt you were being

2298
02:17:26,490 --> 02:17:29,460
followed? You felt you were they
were trying to discredit you?

2299
02:17:29,460 --> 02:17:31,740
But now you had the documents?

2300
02:17:32,220 --> 02:17:37,080
You know, Tyrone should do you
should call racism. Racist you

2301
02:17:37,080 --> 02:17:40,170
just racist because I'm a black
professor you don't want to hear

2302
02:17:40,200 --> 02:17:42,090
that's got to do something.

2303
02:17:42,510 --> 02:17:46,890
I will mention what one thing is
an aside? Yeah, well, I'm gonna

2304
02:17:46,890 --> 02:17:49,620
have to go meet the guys over
here. I can just go go check

2305
02:17:49,620 --> 02:17:49,770
out.

2306
02:17:50,280 --> 02:17:52,650
Why did you meet our producer at
the same time, I'd really love

2307
02:17:52,650 --> 02:17:55,080
to hear what he has to say this
is fantastic.

2308
02:17:56,790 --> 02:18:00,540
And, and this is a result of
something I've warned people

2309
02:18:00,540 --> 02:18:03,540
about, they have to know about,
I guess corporations are

2310
02:18:03,540 --> 02:18:07,080
careless. And other people are
too. This is a process called

2311
02:18:07,080 --> 02:18:11,370
discovery. He found out about
all this stuff against him only

2312
02:18:11,370 --> 02:18:14,640
because of this lawsuit about
the water supply in some area

2313
02:18:14,640 --> 02:18:18,030
that's not discussed. And then
when discovery happened, said,

2314
02:18:18,030 --> 02:18:20,490
Hey, look at your mansion. This
happened with me. And when I was

2315
02:18:20,490 --> 02:18:23,520
on a Mac Microsoft blacklist,
which happened through a

2316
02:18:23,520 --> 02:18:26,130
discovery process, and somebody
sent me a bunch of documents

2317
02:18:26,130 --> 02:18:30,120
saying hey, look, you're
mentioned. And and this is the

2318
02:18:30,120 --> 02:18:34,020
thing about discovery when his
lawyers get the get the word

2319
02:18:34,020 --> 02:18:36,600
that they can start taking
documents, they take everything.

2320
02:18:36,900 --> 02:18:40,440
And whatever's in there you if
you wrote it down, you got some

2321
02:18:40,440 --> 02:18:40,950
issues.

2322
02:18:41,010 --> 02:18:45,300
And if you don't produce a
you're in big trouble. Right,

2323
02:18:45,330 --> 02:18:50,760
exactly. stek just sent me a
link to a page on the nih.gov

2324
02:18:50,760 --> 02:18:56,700
exposure of mice to Atrazine and
it's metal light, dye di m in no

2325
02:18:56,700 --> 02:19:01,740
Calaca could do elicits
oxidative stress and endocrine

2326
02:19:01,740 --> 02:19:04,980
disruption. endocrine
disruption, I think is what we

2327
02:19:05,010 --> 02:19:06,060
were talking about here.

2328
02:19:06,719 --> 02:19:09,389
Yeah. And so let's finish this
because there's little tidbit at

2329
02:19:09,389 --> 02:19:10,109
the end of this one.

2330
02:19:10,260 --> 02:19:11,130
Which one is that

2331
02:19:11,130 --> 02:19:14,520
John does the estrogen when you
were playing?

2332
02:19:14,910 --> 02:19:17,700
It was over? That was the end of
the clip. Oh, then you

2333
02:19:19,200 --> 02:19:22,380
know, you you played clip six
with estrogen. Oh,

2334
02:19:22,380 --> 02:19:24,990
I'm sorry. No, I was seven. I
apologize here.

2335
02:19:24,990 --> 02:19:27,810
So you played the wrong clip.
That's why the discovery I'm so

2336
02:19:27,810 --> 02:19:28,830
sorry. Okay, here's six.

2337
02:19:28,860 --> 02:19:33,480
The Novartis not only made
Atrazine, which is used on corn,

2338
02:19:33,480 --> 02:19:36,210
of course, which is an
herbicide, but it also induces

2339
02:19:36,210 --> 02:19:39,030
an enzyme called aromatase that
causes you to make too much

2340
02:19:39,030 --> 02:19:43,200
estrogen. And it's now been
shown that this herbicide

2341
02:19:43,200 --> 02:19:46,230
atrazine and this mechanism is
potentially involved in the

2342
02:19:46,230 --> 02:19:49,230
development of breast cancer for
example, up until 2000, that

2343
02:19:49,230 --> 02:19:51,840
company also made a chemical
called letrozole, which did

2344
02:19:51,840 --> 02:19:55,200
exactly the opposite. It blocked
aromatase had blocked this

2345
02:19:55,200 --> 02:19:58,230
enzyme and blocked estrogen
production and its chemical

2346
02:19:58,230 --> 02:20:00,810
letrozole is the number one
treatment for breast Cancer. So

2347
02:20:00,810 --> 02:20:04,410
this company was simultaneously
in 2000, making a chemical that

2348
02:20:04,890 --> 02:20:07,950
induced estrogen and promoted
breast cancer and making a

2349
02:20:07,950 --> 02:20:11,190
chemical that blocked estrogen
production and was being used to

2350
02:20:11,190 --> 02:20:14,580
treat breast cancer. So there's
a clear conflict of interest

2351
02:20:14,580 --> 02:20:17,940
there a clear problem. The other
problems are that something like

2352
02:20:17,940 --> 02:20:21,390
90% of the seeds that we use to
produce our food right now are

2353
02:20:21,390 --> 02:20:25,050
owned by the Big Six pesticide
companies. So again, there's a

2354
02:20:25,050 --> 02:20:31,230
conflict of interest where the
companies have an interest in I

2355
02:20:31,230 --> 02:20:34,200
guess, getting as addicted to
the pesticides to grow the seeds

2356
02:20:34,200 --> 02:20:37,770
that they also own. And suggest
Of course, it's one of those big

2357
02:20:37,770 --> 02:20:41,430
six one of the big pesticide or
agribusiness companies.

2358
02:20:41,670 --> 02:20:42,900
So man,

2359
02:20:44,190 --> 02:20:45,240
that's unbelievable.

2360
02:20:45,630 --> 02:20:48,990
The food supply of this country
is poisoned

2361
02:20:49,020 --> 02:20:51,510
my god for 25 years,

2362
02:20:51,570 --> 02:20:56,220
they've been growing babies and
cows, right? It is poison in

2363
02:20:56,250 --> 02:21:00,090
question. Can you filter this
out with a with a good water

2364
02:21:00,090 --> 02:21:00,600
filter?

2365
02:21:00,930 --> 02:21:03,510
Can you filter the accuracy of
your water supply? As you

2366
02:21:03,510 --> 02:21:06,480
probably Texas and might be a
concern? I don't think we have

2367
02:21:06,720 --> 02:21:11,880
it in our water supply. And in
the California, it's it's mostly

2368
02:21:11,880 --> 02:21:17,250
where they grow lots of corn. We
do grow corn, but we're not the

2369
02:21:17,250 --> 02:21:21,120
corn. So that's Indiana,
Indiana. Oh, they've all Midwest

2370
02:21:21,120 --> 02:21:24,780
states that that whole belt of
states down into Texas, there's

2371
02:21:24,780 --> 02:21:27,570
a map available if you do enough
looking how about

2372
02:21:27,660 --> 02:21:29,490
the Carolinas I got a lot of
corn there?

2373
02:21:31,440 --> 02:21:32,850
I don't think so.

2374
02:21:34,590 --> 02:21:37,260
Well of science trying to
explain Lindsey Graham.

2375
02:21:40,350 --> 02:21:44,700
Science is isn't Trump's real
sciences, because in so much

2376
02:21:44,700 --> 02:21:49,800
trouble. I mean, I don't talk to
him anymore. The professor the

2377
02:21:49,800 --> 02:21:54,420
brain professor was now at
Stanford, you know, the P values

2378
02:21:54,450 --> 02:22:00,270
is pretty much all F MRIs are
now in question because the

2379
02:22:00,270 --> 02:22:03,300
image just the scientist just
noodling around with the P

2380
02:22:03,300 --> 02:22:05,580
values. Though I don't like the
results, I'll change this a

2381
02:22:05,580 --> 02:22:08,670
little bit and move that up and
down. And something very

2382
02:22:08,670 --> 02:22:11,640
disturbing came across my desk
if you're done with the Atrazine

2383
02:22:11,640 --> 02:22:12,900
because this we'll move on a
little bit.

2384
02:22:13,020 --> 02:22:16,080
I think everyone's kind of the
fan. And I wanted to that's a

2385
02:22:16,080 --> 02:22:18,270
good clip to play before the
next segment, because it does

2386
02:22:18,270 --> 02:22:21,780
talk about how the commercial
interests have tainted and

2387
02:22:21,870 --> 02:22:25,020
tainted the coverage of this
story. This story is not a news

2388
02:22:25,020 --> 02:22:30,630
story. No, never gonna hear
about it. And

2389
02:22:30,690 --> 02:22:34,860
I'm also sure that universities
don't want to do too much that

2390
02:22:34,860 --> 02:22:37,980
you know, to step on their
money, you know, the money for

2391
02:22:37,980 --> 02:22:44,430
these for these studies comes
from the companies themselves.

2392
02:22:45,630 --> 02:22:50,760
So this is a very, very, very
twisted, messed up situation.

2393
02:22:51,060 --> 02:22:53,790
Over up over the Christmas
holiday, I was talking to one of

2394
02:22:53,790 --> 02:22:58,620
my Millennials here in Austin.
And this millennial said, you

2395
02:22:58,620 --> 02:23:03,960
know, I think I finally found a
good information source that I

2396
02:23:03,960 --> 02:23:08,190
trust. And I do remember we
talked about this and the end as

2397
02:23:08,190 --> 02:23:11,520
well, which one is that Time
Magazine? Now, I didn't say

2398
02:23:11,520 --> 02:23:16,470
anything, just like just let
that go. But Time Magazine is to

2399
02:23:16,470 --> 02:23:22,200
me, is shite. And I want to
accentuate that in this

2400
02:23:22,200 --> 02:23:27,030
particular topic about science.
This is the editor. I know if

2401
02:23:27,030 --> 02:23:34,020
it's the editor in chief. He's
on CBS and he's with the what

2402
02:23:34,020 --> 02:23:39,030
they're talking about is again,
Trump asking for names of people

2403
02:23:39,810 --> 02:23:47,310
who went to the climate summit.
But he says something in here

2404
02:23:47,490 --> 02:23:50,490
about science, which we I will
stop the clip when it's time,

2405
02:23:51,030 --> 02:23:55,350
which blew my mind that he could
say it. The rapper editor from

2406
02:23:55,350 --> 02:23:59,310
Time magazine could say and that
no one and no one questioned

2407
02:23:59,310 --> 02:24:02,340
what he was saying. Jeffrey
Kluger Time magazine's editor at

2408
02:24:02,340 --> 02:24:02,970
large Jeff,

2409
02:24:02,970 --> 02:24:06,630
do you know him? Jeffrey Kluger?
No, no, no. Very good morning.

2410
02:24:06,660 --> 02:24:07,710
Good morning. First of all,

2411
02:24:07,710 --> 02:24:11,190
how concerned is the scientific
community about the changes in

2412
02:24:11,190 --> 02:24:12,480
the administration? The
community

2413
02:24:12,480 --> 02:24:16,800
is concerned and it should be
concerned look, Global Learning

2414
02:24:16,800 --> 02:24:20,790
mark is established fact. It's
immutable. It's non negotiable.

2415
02:24:20,820 --> 02:24:26,610
Okay, stop right there. He says
global warming is an immutable

2416
02:24:26,610 --> 02:24:31,710
fact. Immutable means cannot
change will not change cannot

2417
02:24:31,710 --> 02:24:37,260
change in the future. Science,
by definition, is not immutable.

2418
02:24:37,710 --> 02:24:40,260
Well, the other thing is not
immutable. This is based on a

2419
02:24:40,260 --> 02:24:44,220
computer model. If you remember
the computer model first showed

2420
02:24:44,220 --> 02:24:48,960
us the hockey stick, which
turned out to be bogus, had to

2421
02:24:48,960 --> 02:24:53,310
change the computer model to get
rid of it. And then the computer

2422
02:24:53,310 --> 02:24:55,440
model wasn't calling out the
right numbers. So they had to

2423
02:24:55,440 --> 02:24:58,590
correct many of these numbers.
And that's what climate gate

2424
02:24:58,590 --> 02:25:02,070
came about. Actually. was the
largest response. I think that

2425
02:25:02,070 --> 02:25:05,580
was the biggest hit. They had. I
think it still hurts them. Yes.

2426
02:25:05,610 --> 02:25:09,270
But even though they're fighting
it within memos that went back

2427
02:25:09,270 --> 02:25:11,310
and forth, oh God, we gotta
fudge these numbers because

2428
02:25:11,310 --> 02:25:14,190
they're not coming up right now
is any of that immutable?

2429
02:25:14,970 --> 02:25:18,180
But I cannot believe that an
editor at large for a Time

2430
02:25:18,180 --> 02:25:23,610
Magazine has the balls. To use a
big word immutable, you're using

2431
02:25:23,610 --> 02:25:27,330
the word so you know what it
means? A mutable means cannot

2432
02:25:27,330 --> 02:25:30,810
change in the future kids
science is always changeable.

2433
02:25:30,840 --> 02:25:35,310
Can I throw something in please?
A sincere by?

2434
02:25:35,310 --> 02:25:39,510
No. But I don't understand how
you

2435
02:25:39,780 --> 02:25:47,310
did the test. Oh, yeah. Part of
the test? Well, I just

2436
02:25:47,310 --> 02:25:52,260
think that CBS and this prefer
everyone should be ashamed for

2437
02:25:52,260 --> 02:25:56,820
not saying Hold on a second.
Science is not immutable ever.

2438
02:25:56,850 --> 02:25:57,390
They're not

2439
02:25:57,390 --> 02:26:01,830
allowed to this is like it was
as we witnessed on PBS. They're

2440
02:26:01,830 --> 02:26:04,290
not allowed to they on the PBS
reports. Anytime there's

2441
02:26:04,290 --> 02:26:06,720
clients, you know, they always
have the two guests that like

2442
02:26:06,720 --> 02:26:09,330
they look debate a little bit,
maybe not so much. But

2443
02:26:09,330 --> 02:26:11,970
sometimes, sometimes they have a
three guests, when they bring a

2444
02:26:11,970 --> 02:26:15,450
climate guy in to talk about
global warming. It's always one

2445
02:26:15,450 --> 02:26:15,840
guy.

2446
02:26:15,869 --> 02:26:19,589
But this is not a climate guy.
This is an editor. There will

2447
02:26:19,589 --> 02:26:20,189
one guy,

2448
02:26:20,370 --> 02:26:23,970
the community is concerned and
it should be concerned, look,

2449
02:26:24,240 --> 02:26:28,650
global warming is an established
fact. It's immutable. It's non

2450
02:26:28,650 --> 02:26:32,730
negotiable. It's not subjected
to politics, global warming,

2451
02:26:32,730 --> 02:26:36,690
doesn't read tweets, it doesn't
care about who won the electoral

2452
02:26:36,690 --> 02:26:41,010
college vote. It's an immutable
bit of science. And what we're

2453
02:26:41,010 --> 02:26:42,210
seeing, again, it's

2454
02:26:42,210 --> 02:26:46,380
an immutable bit of science. All
science is not immutable. I'm

2455
02:26:46,380 --> 02:26:48,300
sorry, I can't get over this is

2456
02:26:48,930 --> 02:26:52,740
what we're seeing is an
administration that is choosing

2457
02:26:52,740 --> 02:26:57,300
to appoint people who are
hostile to that very idea, who

2458
02:26:57,300 --> 02:27:01,410
at best will dodge it by saying,
Well, I'm not a scientist, I

2459
02:27:01,410 --> 02:27:06,510
don't know. Well, then listen to
the scientists 97% of whom say

2460
02:27:06,510 --> 02:27:07,980
that global warming is real.

2461
02:27:08,430 --> 02:27:13,200
No, I'm sorry. That is not true.
That's a lie. It's a lie. It is

2462
02:27:13,200 --> 02:27:14,370
an outright lie.

2463
02:27:14,400 --> 02:27:18,030
Who says that Time Magazine is a
viable source of information.

2464
02:27:18,120 --> 02:27:19,050
One of our

2465
02:27:19,050 --> 02:27:22,500
producers know one of my
Millennials was someone who

2466
02:27:22,500 --> 02:27:26,880
listens to the show. Well, yeah,
yeah, this is I do this as a

2467
02:27:26,880 --> 02:27:27,900
public service.

2468
02:27:27,990 --> 02:27:31,380
I'm not a scientist, I don't
know. Oh, well, then listen to

2469
02:27:31,380 --> 02:27:36,870
the scientists 97% of whom say
that global warming is real lie.

2470
02:27:37,020 --> 02:27:38,010
That's just a blatant

2471
02:27:38,010 --> 02:27:38,520
lie.

2472
02:27:39,090 --> 02:27:40,470
Once you explain it real quick,
then

2473
02:27:41,850 --> 02:27:45,900
the 97% number refers to people
who wrote positively about

2474
02:27:45,900 --> 02:27:49,380
global warming, saying it was
real. And they drew done papers,

2475
02:27:49,380 --> 02:27:53,010
and they stayed they asked all
these people, what do they think

2476
02:27:53,010 --> 02:27:55,590
that global warming is real
based on their own work? Which

2477
02:27:55,590 --> 02:27:58,680
is all positive? Pushing it?
Yes, yes, yes. There's global

2478
02:27:58,680 --> 02:28:03,180
warming. And they can only get
97% of these people who already

2479
02:28:03,180 --> 02:28:06,270
believed in it do agree with him
with the premise, which is like

2480
02:28:06,270 --> 02:28:07,050
ludicrous.

2481
02:28:07,050 --> 02:28:12,030
And it was only a water like a
handful of reports. Yeah. In a

2482
02:28:12,030 --> 02:28:14,820
global scale. Yeah. Yeah. So
they just keep pushing that

2483
02:28:14,820 --> 02:28:15,060
mean,

2484
02:28:15,090 --> 02:28:20,250
listen to the scientists, 97% of
whom say that global warming is

2485
02:28:20,250 --> 02:28:22,860
real. It's happening, and it's a
deadly threat.

2486
02:28:22,920 --> 02:28:27,150
And by the way, it wasn't that
they said global warming is

2487
02:28:27,150 --> 02:28:29,760
real. They said manmade global
warming is real.

2488
02:28:30,240 --> 02:28:32,700
Right. And then nobody said
anything about a deadly threat

2489
02:28:32,700 --> 02:28:34,230
that wasn't in the survey, no,

2490
02:28:34,410 --> 02:28:39,180
editor at large editor at large.
Really, thank you for pointing

2491
02:28:39,180 --> 02:28:41,580
out the deadly thread that
wasn't in there, either

2492
02:28:41,580 --> 02:28:42,210
scientist,

2493
02:28:42,210 --> 02:28:46,890
I don't know. Well, then listen
to the scientists 97% of whom

2494
02:28:47,070 --> 02:28:50,190
say that global warming is real.
It's happening, and it's a

2495
02:28:50,190 --> 02:28:51,030
deadly threat.

2496
02:28:51,180 --> 02:28:53,730
Jeffrey, what about the
discrepancy between the agency

2497
02:28:53,730 --> 02:28:56,760
heads and the 1000s of civil
servants who actually staff

2498
02:28:56,760 --> 02:28:59,670
these agencies and have done a
large part of the climate work

2499
02:28:59,670 --> 02:29:01,590
for the Obama administration?
Well,

2500
02:29:01,620 --> 02:29:04,590
this is what we're seeing. And
there is some hope here, because

2501
02:29:04,620 --> 02:29:07,800
a lot of these people are
lifetime civil servants. They

2502
02:29:07,800 --> 02:29:12,930
have the power of slow down,
they have the power of, for lack

2503
02:29:12,930 --> 02:29:15,810
of a better term, passive
aggression of force. They're

2504
02:29:15,810 --> 02:29:19,050
required to obey their
superiors. But there is work

2505
02:29:19,050 --> 02:29:22,020
that's done zealously in pursuit
of a good cause. And then

2506
02:29:22,020 --> 02:29:24,600
there's work that's done
grudgingly. And there's a quiet

2507
02:29:24,600 --> 02:29:27,900
power in civil servants here.
But we're seeing some danger

2508
02:29:27,900 --> 02:29:32,280
already. The Trump transition
committee has already sent a 74

2509
02:29:32,280 --> 02:29:35,160
question questionnaire to the
Department of Energy, which they

2510
02:29:35,160 --> 02:29:38,220
push back on, though they push
back on Yes. And that's a good

2511
02:29:38,220 --> 02:29:41,430
thing. They said these are civil
servants doing their jobs. So

2512
02:29:41,430 --> 02:29:44,670
no, we're not going to give you
the names of people who attended

2513
02:29:44,670 --> 02:29:47,790
un conferences on climate
change. We're not going to give

2514
02:29:47,790 --> 02:29:51,030
you the names of people who have
studied the social cost of

2515
02:29:51,030 --> 02:29:54,210
carbon because that's an
important study. And these

2516
02:29:54,210 --> 02:29:57,240
people are doing their jobs but
it still will have a chilling

2517
02:29:57,240 --> 02:29:57,810
effect.

2518
02:29:58,080 --> 02:30:01,560
So they're gonna slow down
Really what are we now?

2519
02:30:02,340 --> 02:30:06,000
communist Soviet Union? What are
we doing? We're gonna slow down

2520
02:30:06,000 --> 02:30:08,340
haha we have power we're gonna
go real slow

2521
02:30:10,889 --> 02:30:15,269
well you know my attitude. Go
ahead. My attitude is if you're

2522
02:30:15,269 --> 02:30:16,979
a civil so you're working for
the government you should do

2523
02:30:16,979 --> 02:30:17,429
nothing.

2524
02:30:18,990 --> 02:30:20,490
Why why is that your attitude?

2525
02:30:20,850 --> 02:30:23,040
Because you had ever you do
screws things up

2526
02:30:24,690 --> 02:30:27,420
just by doing nothing, no doing
nothing

2527
02:30:27,420 --> 02:30:28,590
doesn't screw things up

2528
02:30:31,110 --> 02:30:34,080
well, the social cost of carbon
is something we got to keep our

2529
02:30:34,080 --> 02:30:39,000
eyes oh the social cost of
carbon and if it's 97% of all

2530
02:30:39,180 --> 02:30:42,420
all scientists, how is that
immutable? Then clearly

2531
02:30:42,420 --> 02:30:45,390
someone's immune getting it? Oh,
that's a good point. That's a

2532
02:30:45,390 --> 02:30:49,530
good gotcha percent are muting
it? Yeah. But it's immutable.

2533
02:30:49,800 --> 02:30:56,670
It's immutable. We only do
things that are simple to figure

2534
02:30:56,670 --> 02:31:02,580
out people. Time magazine editor
at large, not the smartest one.

2535
02:31:04,620 --> 02:31:06,780
And probably never had any
science in his background at

2536
02:31:06,780 --> 02:31:07,170
all.

2537
02:31:07,410 --> 02:31:10,530
very doubtful. All right, one
little entre mom before we hit

2538
02:31:10,530 --> 02:31:17,070
the C Block. Okay, this is Oh,
no, actually, I'm sorry. I'm

2539
02:31:17,070 --> 02:31:21,210
sorry. I have I Will not I gotta
do that later. I can do it after

2540
02:31:21,540 --> 02:31:23,220
that. Because it's too long. I
want Yeah, but you know what,

2541
02:31:23,220 --> 02:31:23,640
why don't we just

2542
02:31:24,030 --> 02:31:26,760
reset you did the climate thing
I get to do a climate. Good.

2543
02:31:27,180 --> 02:31:30,840
Just the opposite side of this
whole thing because we're all in

2544
02:31:30,840 --> 02:31:34,950
on global cooling. Let's hear
the latest global cooling report

2545
02:31:34,950 --> 02:31:39,840
from the media. New Year's
global cooling report.

2546
02:31:39,869 --> 02:31:42,329
Yes, thank you New Year's global
cooling report.

2547
02:31:43,620 --> 02:31:46,260
Parts of the Northeast are still
digging out tonight after the

2548
02:31:46,260 --> 02:31:49,230
first big snowstorm of the
season that caused numerous

2549
02:31:49,230 --> 02:31:53,190
accidents and left 1000s without
power. Morgan Radford reports on

2550
02:31:53,190 --> 02:31:56,070
the challenges going into this
year's New Year's weekend.

2551
02:31:56,700 --> 02:32:00,570
Tonight, millions of Americans
scrambling to clear the streets

2552
02:32:00,630 --> 02:32:03,300
unless you have to go out don't
bother going out and stuff that

2553
02:32:03,300 --> 02:32:03,570
makes

2554
02:32:03,570 --> 02:32:04,740
life easier for us

2555
02:32:04,770 --> 02:32:08,430
in upstate New York plows
clearing up to eight inches of

2556
02:32:08,430 --> 02:32:12,210
snow after the first major storm
of the season. clobbered the

2557
02:32:12,210 --> 02:32:15,810
Northeast is coming down pretty
hard. It's very difficult to see

2558
02:32:15,900 --> 02:32:19,920
almost 100,000 People in Maine
without power, which officials

2559
02:32:19,920 --> 02:32:23,760
say may not come back for days
gone to a bad state saw more

2560
02:32:23,760 --> 02:32:27,000
than two feet of snow more than
a foot in parts of New

2561
02:32:27,000 --> 02:32:31,650
Hampshire. Tonight responders
trying to prevent this. The

2562
02:32:31,650 --> 02:32:35,550
aftermath of a forceful 24 hours
here in New Hampshire. You can

2563
02:32:35,550 --> 02:32:38,940
see melting snow still covering
the streets. This is something

2564
02:32:38,940 --> 02:32:41,400
officials warn can quickly turn
to ice as soon as the

2565
02:32:41,400 --> 02:32:45,540
temperature drops dangerous
streets under harsh conditions.

2566
02:32:45,600 --> 02:32:48,870
There's such slow visibility
that is very very hard to even

2567
02:32:49,050 --> 02:32:51,330
tell what lanes you're supposed
to be driving in

2568
02:32:51,360 --> 02:32:54,870
residents hoping to end the year
with a different type of thing.

2569
02:32:57,060 --> 02:32:59,880
Morgan Radford, NBC News,
Concord, New Hampshire.

2570
02:33:10,590 --> 02:33:14,100
Gonna have to see a different
man when the ocean rises. Just

2571
02:33:14,100 --> 02:33:16,710
this one. This whole area we'll
hear what?

2572
02:33:18,780 --> 02:33:21,750
You gotta get your heads around.
That's right, everybody. Just

2573
02:33:21,750 --> 02:33:22,260
remember.

2574
02:33:24,870 --> 02:33:26,040
The sciences?

2575
02:33:28,410 --> 02:33:32,010
No, all right. We closed the
gate we done? Yeah, I hope so.

2576
02:33:32,640 --> 02:33:36,090
I'm gonna show my school by
Jonah did no agenda. Imagine all

2577
02:33:36,090 --> 02:33:38,640
the people who could do that?
Oh, yeah, that'd be fun

2578
02:33:46,350 --> 02:33:52,170
Do you have a few more people to
thank for show 891. And starting

2579
02:33:52,170 --> 02:33:56,040
with joy at PC lifestyle.
Kennesaw, Georgia. This is gonna

2580
02:33:56,040 --> 02:34:01,080
be interesting. He was at the
meetup $180. Also Trent Silva

2581
02:34:01,140 --> 02:34:03,240
$140 And he's the nine year old.

2582
02:34:04,020 --> 02:34:07,020
Yes. 100 $140.

2583
02:34:08,610 --> 02:34:11,790
You know, I suspect his parents
really contributed this money.

2584
02:34:12,330 --> 02:34:15,270
But they made it then it was in
a little envelope, little

2585
02:34:15,270 --> 02:34:18,000
Chinese envelope with a
handwritten note, which I'll

2586
02:34:18,000 --> 02:34:24,030
read in this case, too. And it's
all in lowercase, to Mr. John C,

2587
02:34:24,030 --> 02:34:30,570
D vortrag, d v o r a c, or the C
stands for copying a jingle.

2588
02:34:31,830 --> 02:34:32,790
So I want

2589
02:34:35,310 --> 02:34:40,980
eautiful so I will and he asked
a request. So I want a it's all

2590
02:34:41,010 --> 02:34:44,850
this is definitely Written by a
Kid I mean their handwriting. So

2591
02:34:44,850 --> 02:34:49,830
I want a baby a Baby Boom shaka
laka, a Bing Bing Bong, bong,

2592
02:34:49,830 --> 02:34:56,850
Bing Bing Bong to the head and
you got karma. And I think we

2593
02:34:56,850 --> 02:35:00,330
should give him his wishes is
140 bucks from a nine year Old

2594
02:35:00,360 --> 02:35:00,960
cars

2595
02:35:00,990 --> 02:35:03,990
of course it's a regular car Moe
doesn't need jobs karma as well.

2596
02:35:04,020 --> 02:35:05,460
No he doesn't need jobs karma

2597
02:35:05,460 --> 02:35:10,140
yeah Bing bong bong bing bing

2598
02:35:12,150 --> 02:35:14,670
Here we go. You've got karma

2599
02:35:16,890 --> 02:35:21,450
that kids going places. I'm
skeptical. Brian barrel and

2600
02:35:21,450 --> 02:35:23,250
these kids are smart these days
man I'm all in.

2601
02:35:23,820 --> 02:35:28,890
Brian Eubanks 12345 Also at the
meet up a William Dirk in

2602
02:35:28,890 --> 02:35:34,530
Greenville, South Carolina
$110.13 What do we got here?

2603
02:35:34,530 --> 02:35:40,200
Rich Hayes is also at the meet
him 101 33 Mason Conklin at

2604
02:35:40,200 --> 02:35:46,350
10105 Frank, I don't just watch
something whack an earth

2605
02:35:47,370 --> 02:35:50,940
Vaikunta Vaikunta, the vagus
nerve something it's hard to

2606
02:35:50,970 --> 02:35:53,580
tell because the Unicode is
somebody's in Berlin Deutschland

2607
02:35:53,670 --> 02:35:57,900
Deutschland lon Baker $100. And
that was $100 for our Berliner.

2608
02:35:58,260 --> 02:36:02,880
John Hyneman 100 bucks. And then
we have a bunch of $100 $300

2609
02:36:02,880 --> 02:36:07,800
from the meetup, David Orleans
via Helen Trejo and I think

2610
02:36:07,800 --> 02:36:13,800
there is a note that said, I
think he has to deserve it. See

2611
02:36:13,800 --> 02:36:16,830
if he's on the birthday list.
Okay. It was a birthday involved

2612
02:36:16,830 --> 02:36:17,340
in this one.

2613
02:36:17,370 --> 02:36:21,090
Yes. December 26. Is when it was
his birthday.

2614
02:36:21,480 --> 02:36:24,450
Yeah, he says you've got Dear
John and Adam, I hope you both

2615
02:36:24,450 --> 02:36:26,910
have a great new year. It's been
a pleasure to listen for the

2616
02:36:26,910 --> 02:36:30,030
past three years, never
understood what people meant by

2617
02:36:30,030 --> 02:36:34,350
sanity. But as a DACA
beneficiary this past election

2618
02:36:34,350 --> 02:36:37,470
has been stressful for those who
worry about immigration under

2619
02:36:37,470 --> 02:36:43,110
Trump. Ms. M tells me I should
be fearful. But you have both

2620
02:36:43,110 --> 02:36:46,860
taught me to make my own
interpretation about what goes

2621
02:36:46,860 --> 02:36:49,770
on in the world. Today is my
birthday and my beautiful

2622
02:36:49,770 --> 02:36:54,630
girlfriend has gifted this
donation on my behalf. It is

2623
02:36:54,630 --> 02:36:58,830
great to be here with you. And
he said to me and my girlfriend

2624
02:36:58,860 --> 02:37:03,690
only to wish only wished is our
only wish now is to meet Adam.

2625
02:37:04,170 --> 02:37:08,610
Thanks for your courage. Okay,
thank you. That that was sweet.

2626
02:37:10,410 --> 02:37:16,170
Bro. Yeah, sorry. The sun is
blasted sir Shawn Regalado of

2627
02:37:16,170 --> 02:37:19,590
the Adirondacks was also somehow
managed to get to the meetup.

2628
02:37:21,450 --> 02:37:24,000
There were people from out of
town that showed up, sir and

2629
02:37:24,000 --> 02:37:28,740
that's $100 or Nacho Lord of the
Citadel $100 guy driving around

2630
02:37:28,740 --> 02:37:33,180
California 8889 and Covina,
California, he's the notary.

2631
02:37:33,450 --> 02:37:39,660
That's Steven jofy 8888 in
Rancho Palos Rancho Palos Verdes

2632
02:37:40,770 --> 02:37:46,620
boob. He's got he's got a
birthday. I think he's on the

2633
02:37:46,620 --> 02:37:51,390
list. Yeah, hope. Okay, now we
have somebody from Oviedo,

2634
02:37:51,390 --> 02:37:56,940
Florida. And I say somebody Oh,
there it is. David nappy air 808

2635
02:37:56,940 --> 02:38:02,130
Does a boob. Yeah. And he says
and again, thanks, guys, and

2636
02:38:02,130 --> 02:38:05,520
I'll be upping my monthly
donation shortly. Thanks to

2637
02:38:05,550 --> 02:38:08,940
Edward for punching me in the
mouth a few years back at first

2638
02:38:08,940 --> 02:38:11,610
you think it's appropriate for
reading on the show? He's got

2639
02:38:12,180 --> 02:38:17,580
some small something stories.
First, I'd like to explain to my

2640
02:38:17,580 --> 02:38:20,220
son my daughter teachers why
they are calling other kids

2641
02:38:20,220 --> 02:38:27,270
douchebags issue. There's this
why we're reading this. He says,

2642
02:38:27,780 --> 02:38:30,990
First I'd like to thank you too
for having to explain to my son

2643
02:38:30,990 --> 02:38:35,340
and daughter, daughters teachers
why the kids are calling each

2644
02:38:35,340 --> 02:38:39,690
other's douchebags and telling
them to shut up slaves in class.

2645
02:38:39,990 --> 02:38:44,010
Yes. Oops explaining that you
aren't donating doesn't fly.

2646
02:38:46,860 --> 02:38:51,540
Second of which doesn't fly too
well with the social justice

2647
02:38:51,660 --> 02:38:55,440
warrior ways of the school.
Anyway,

2648
02:38:55,470 --> 02:38:58,350
who thought he was they thought
he was a white supremacist?

2649
02:38:58,980 --> 02:39:00,690
Yeah, I guess goodness.

2650
02:39:02,370 --> 02:39:05,610
This is ridiculous. But this is
what happens. All right, onward

2651
02:39:05,610 --> 02:39:13,830
does Robert Gusa in High Point
North Carolina 7527 Anonymous

2652
02:39:13,830 --> 02:39:20,370
$70. That was from us on the
meetup. A Nathan and Brian and

2653
02:39:20,430 --> 02:39:24,720
Nathan P and Brian black of the
frontier podcast. They were

2654
02:39:24,720 --> 02:39:29,610
there at the meetup 60 bucks.
Thank you. Paul show Shivani and

2655
02:39:29,610 --> 02:39:30,600
saskatoons is

2656
02:39:30,600 --> 02:39:35,880
pleased he's got Lisa for Happy
Birthday and call KL KL que je

2657
02:39:35,880 --> 02:39:42,720
ll I guess Cal call kill out as
douchebag douchebag done.

2658
02:39:42,750 --> 02:39:47,340
He was a divorce 72 Our buddy
Eric vocal in Berlin and other

2659
02:39:47,340 --> 02:39:50,700
Berliner we got two of them.
They're going to a meetup $52 or

2660
02:39:50,790 --> 02:39:55,080
Donald cool. Windham, New
Hampshire videos in one sense.

2661
02:39:55,440 --> 02:39:59,460
Thanks for keeping me sane, he
says. And finally, these are $50

2662
02:39:59,460 --> 02:40:03,810
donors. name and location Shane
Roz Bilski and Saskatoon Dennis

2663
02:40:03,810 --> 02:40:08,550
Brown in Rhinelander, Wisconsin,
Dean castonzo in Jacksonville

2664
02:40:08,550 --> 02:40:13,770
Arkansas, Jessica LaRue in
Gettysburg, Pennsylvania Stefano

2665
02:40:14,400 --> 02:40:19,740
iski to see Ceci to ski. What do
you think? groaning and ease

2666
02:40:19,800 --> 02:40:20,460
that's a Dutch

2667
02:40:20,490 --> 02:40:24,840
Dutch. I don't know if Froning
is where he's from Stefanos.

2668
02:40:25,110 --> 02:40:26,760
It's not a Dutch name siskey I
don't know if

2669
02:40:27,630 --> 02:40:34,110
it'd be Italian. Tyler Schimpf
in both of Washington's shimp in

2670
02:40:34,110 --> 02:40:39,900
both camps, or Bothell, I can
emerge both. Ralph Massaro in

2671
02:40:39,900 --> 02:40:44,850
Kirkland, Washington, Joe
Reynoso, in the US is a person

2672
02:40:44,850 --> 02:40:48,180
known he's going to be a knight.
We have a lot of knights today.

2673
02:40:48,270 --> 02:40:56,160
Bow Bow Aldemar er T Artega.
Artega. Ryan Ryan Jones Sir Mark

2674
02:40:56,160 --> 02:40:58,500
Tanner again in Whittier,
California who is at the meetup

2675
02:40:58,500 --> 02:41:04,080
and everybody would love to see
him. That you're the guy Danford

2676
02:41:04,080 --> 02:41:07,920
staw in Kooskia, Idaho. I

2677
02:41:07,920 --> 02:41:09,060
believe he's a sir.

2678
02:41:10,020 --> 02:41:15,900
I believe Sanford is you think
yes, we stand. Right? Yeah.

2679
02:41:16,020 --> 02:41:20,160
Jared Soos in Chicago, who I
think is almost a surf he's not

2680
02:41:20,640 --> 02:41:24,180
sure Eric Von martyr was at the
meetup in Van Nuys, California

2681
02:41:24,180 --> 02:41:29,610
Eric block also there. And last
but not least, Henry Hernandez

2682
02:41:29,640 --> 02:41:32,970
from San Pedro California was
there and he is shifting that

2683
02:41:32,970 --> 02:41:37,410
concludes a little list of
producers or shows 891 And we

2684
02:41:37,410 --> 02:41:39,480
got a bunch of nights and
birthdays and everything was a

2685
02:41:39,480 --> 02:41:42,540
great meet up another one at
that train museum

2686
02:41:42,570 --> 02:41:45,180
and it's also a beautiful start
to the beginning of the year.

2687
02:41:45,240 --> 02:41:49,680
Appreciate that very much thank
you all of you. Cuz there's no

2688
02:41:49,680 --> 02:41:52,800
we don't have a lot of listen
Let me see what we got on the on

2689
02:41:52,800 --> 02:41:57,210
the stream right now we have oh,
still over over 1000 That's

2690
02:41:57,210 --> 02:41:59,310
still not bad for for date like
today.

2691
02:41:59,429 --> 02:42:00,149
It's a holiday.

2692
02:42:00,179 --> 02:42:04,709
Yeah, that's surprising. Thank
you, everyone. $50 or under

2693
02:42:04,859 --> 02:42:06,899
usually for reasons of
anonymity. But of course we have

2694
02:42:06,899 --> 02:42:10,169
a lot of people on our
subscriptions, it's very good

2695
02:42:10,199 --> 02:42:11,909
for you to go check out the
subscription as well. In

2696
02:42:11,909 --> 02:42:14,159
addition, any other donations
you hand out this is value for

2697
02:42:14,159 --> 02:42:17,549
value. The only way we can keep
the show going our 10th year

2698
02:42:17,609 --> 02:42:20,489
very proud of you supporting us
and of course another show

2699
02:42:20,489 --> 02:42:21,809
coming up on

2700
02:42:21,810 --> 02:42:25,680
Thursday to vote.org/and Just

2701
02:42:25,680 --> 02:42:27,360
in case anybody needs it a
little bit of jobs,

2702
02:42:28,230 --> 02:42:30,780
jobs, jobs and jobs.

2703
02:42:30,869 --> 02:42:32,459
Let's go for jobs.

2704
02:42:42,150 --> 02:42:45,930
David Ariana is was David
celebrated on the 26th of

2705
02:42:45,930 --> 02:42:49,740
December Stephen Jaffe
celebrated on the 29th Paul

2706
02:42:49,740 --> 02:42:52,830
Shabbat he says Happy Birthday
to KL we also call it the

2707
02:42:52,830 --> 02:42:56,730
douchebag and happy birthday to
serve whosoever all of them

2708
02:42:56,730 --> 02:42:59,190
celebrating and we say happy
birthday from all your buddies.

2709
02:42:59,190 --> 02:43:05,490
You had the best podcast in the
universe. 123459 things today,

2710
02:43:05,490 --> 02:43:10,890
John. Nice. Nice. Very, very
nice. Oh, sorry. Oh, I think

2711
02:43:10,920 --> 02:43:13,470
Nick myself with that one. I
meant to get better get some

2712
02:43:13,680 --> 02:43:18,420
step thick pencil. Yes, you
bring me your blade man. Here.

2713
02:43:21,180 --> 02:43:27,270
My partner Kevin strange Donald
nappy and Joe Reynoso, along

2714
02:43:27,270 --> 02:43:30,390
with Bill Durkin, please step up
to the stage here on the podium

2715
02:43:30,390 --> 02:43:33,660
we got next to the lectern.
Gentlemen, all five of you have

2716
02:43:33,660 --> 02:43:36,360
supported the best podcasting
years they might have $1,000 or

2717
02:43:36,360 --> 02:43:39,330
more therefore I'm very proud to
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the Knights and Dames and I
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2719
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a Pasadena sir strange. Sir Don
of tanks Ville Sir Joseph

2720
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Reynoso and Serge Durkin we yes
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Mead. Head on over to no agenda
nation.com/rings give all the

2726
02:44:08,550 --> 02:44:10,980
details to Eric show. We'll get
your rings out as soon as

2727
02:44:10,980 --> 02:44:14,370
possible your night rings. We
don't talk about that much

2728
02:44:14,370 --> 02:44:16,950
anymore, but they are beautiful.
They are Signet rings, you get

2729
02:44:16,950 --> 02:44:20,970
the sealing wax with it. It has
a nice ITM on it and hit him in

2730
02:44:20,970 --> 02:44:24,330
the mouth and Latin, of course
all mirrored so that you can

2731
02:44:24,540 --> 02:44:27,510
really make it look good, either
in the ceiling wax or on

2732
02:44:27,510 --> 02:44:28,740
someone's face for that matter.

2733
02:44:30,030 --> 02:44:31,320
And thank you again.

2734
02:44:32,700 --> 02:44:35,190
Okay. Oh, you should do this.

2735
02:44:37,590 --> 02:44:39,510
On my phone Yes,

2736
02:44:39,510 --> 02:44:41,940
right everybody time once again
for tech news, tech. Hornies.

2737
02:44:41,940 --> 02:44:45,480
Can't do what we do because we
are the true tech journalists.

2738
02:44:46,230 --> 02:44:50,670
Actually one of our producers,
sir cold Calista caught

2739
02:44:50,670 --> 02:44:57,480
something which we didn't catch.
And this was the story about the

2740
02:44:59,100 --> 02:45:07,110
sea. I have it You're still
about the Amazon. Alexa. Yeah.

2741
02:45:07,140 --> 02:45:11,670
And the murder case. Right? Let
me just see. Let me get this

2742
02:45:11,670 --> 02:45:15,660
clip because we need to play the
clip again. Because he he caught

2743
02:45:15,660 --> 02:45:18,870
something I was blown away that
he caught that and I want to do

2744
02:45:18,990 --> 02:45:22,110
with this clip go here we go.
Listen to this and tell me if

2745
02:45:22,110 --> 02:45:24,240
you can figure out the
interesting part about this.

2746
02:45:24,240 --> 02:45:25,350
Remember, it's about Amazon

2747
02:45:25,410 --> 02:45:30,210
Amazon's popular home assistant
echo better known as Alexa was a

2748
02:45:30,210 --> 02:45:34,080
best seller this Christmas. Now
police in Bentonville, Arkansas

2749
02:45:34,080 --> 02:45:37,560
hope Alexa can help solve a real
life who done

2750
02:45:37,560 --> 02:45:41,070
it till we don't have to play
much more of the clip. This is a

2751
02:45:41,070 --> 02:45:45,060
story an anti Amazon story
coming out of Bentonville,

2752
02:45:46,110 --> 02:45:51,720
Arkansas once again Ville,
Arkansas. I don't know Walmart.

2753
02:45:51,750 --> 02:45:56,160
Thank you. It is the
headquarters of Walmart. The

2754
02:45:56,160 --> 02:46:01,500
number one competitor to Amazon
pretty much I'd say that kind of

2755
02:46:01,500 --> 02:46:02,460
nails it down.

2756
02:46:02,880 --> 02:46:05,280
Yeah, it's another corrupt story
more areas me

2757
02:46:05,280 --> 02:46:07,470
very, very corrupt story.

2758
02:46:07,500 --> 02:46:09,240
I sketchy story.

2759
02:46:09,630 --> 02:46:15,600
But the best clip I have with
Amazon Alexa went viral. I know

2760
02:46:15,600 --> 02:46:18,690
you haven't seen it is a little
kid. And he's talking into the

2761
02:46:18,690 --> 02:46:22,680
little Amazon dot and the kid is
asking you it's hard to

2762
02:46:22,680 --> 02:46:25,650
understand the kid because he's
like, I like that. Burn dead

2763
02:46:25,650 --> 02:46:28,200
dead dead. It's asking for
something like somebody wants

2764
02:46:28,230 --> 02:46:32,130
Alexa to play something for the
kid. What Alexa then does is

2765
02:46:32,130 --> 02:46:40,980
hilarious. Barbie can you talk
to play well,

2766
02:46:40,980 --> 02:46:44,790
you want to hear a station for
porn detected porno ringtone hot

2767
02:46:44,790 --> 02:46:50,670
chick amateur girl dildo
ringtone Alexa, stop.

2768
02:46:54,090 --> 02:46:56,400
I love that clip. It's very
funny.

2769
02:46:57,210 --> 02:46:59,790
I didn't know you could control
I didn't know you could listen

2770
02:46:59,790 --> 02:47:05,820
to porn on Alexa. You want to
hear porn detective with dildos

2771
02:47:05,820 --> 02:47:10,500
and lesbians are fabulous. Very,
very good.

2772
02:47:12,090 --> 02:47:14,460
Did you have any any tech news
you want to share with the

2773
02:47:14,460 --> 02:47:14,790
group?

2774
02:47:15,270 --> 02:47:17,910
I mentioned? I have to.

2775
02:47:18,420 --> 02:47:20,070
I have two more. I have two more
here.

2776
02:47:20,940 --> 02:47:23,100
I don't want to have any tech
news at all.

2777
02:47:23,130 --> 02:47:26,700
Okay, I have another Amazon,
which is just one of these

2778
02:47:26,700 --> 02:47:30,180
stories and it's end of the year
or beginning of the year. I

2779
02:47:30,180 --> 02:47:35,250
cannot believe that anyone is
taking this seriously. When you

2780
02:47:35,250 --> 02:47:38,610
think of blimps, you probably
picture the Goodyear blimp,

2781
02:47:38,640 --> 02:47:43,020
maybe the Greenpeace blimp, a
border security blimp, or even

2782
02:47:43,080 --> 02:47:47,850
the Hindenburg. When Amazon
thinks of blimps, it sees a

2783
02:47:47,850 --> 02:47:52,200
warehouse in the sky. A patent
for what Amazon calls an aerial

2784
02:47:52,200 --> 02:47:56,250
fulfillment center includes
drawings of how stuff you buy

2785
02:47:56,310 --> 02:47:59,910
would be warehoused in the air,
then delivered to your home by a

2786
02:47:59,910 --> 02:48:03,630
drone dropped from the blimp, a
shuttle with dock in the air to

2787
02:48:03,630 --> 02:48:07,800
return the drone, kill my
husband workers and resupply the

2788
02:48:07,800 --> 02:48:11,670
warehouse Scott Hamilton is an
aviation industry consultant for

2789
02:48:11,670 --> 02:48:15,840
Lee ham company. When we sent
him the Amazon patent story he

2790
02:48:15,840 --> 02:48:20,400
zeroed in on the potential
altitude of the blimps 45,000

2791
02:48:20,400 --> 02:48:20,970
feet.

2792
02:48:21,269 --> 02:48:25,679
You have commercial airliners
flying at 41,000 feet, some

2793
02:48:25,679 --> 02:48:29,399
could go to 43 but then they
just have these drones floating

2794
02:48:29,399 --> 02:48:32,729
down through all the traffic
lanes is just loony.

2795
02:48:33,000 --> 02:48:37,440
Amazon is testing drones earlier
this month. The company said it

2796
02:48:37,440 --> 02:48:41,700
made the first primary delivery
to a customer in England 13

2797
02:48:41,700 --> 02:48:46,110
minutes after his purchase in
this country. The FAA is writing

2798
02:48:46,110 --> 02:48:49,470
rules for drone package
delivery. Today an agency

2799
02:48:49,470 --> 02:48:53,160
spokesperson wrote to Cairo
seven that the FAA expects to

2800
02:48:53,160 --> 02:48:57,210
propose a rule for public
comment early in 2017 for

2801
02:48:57,210 --> 02:49:01,710
commercial drone use above some
people the FAA says they will

2802
02:49:01,710 --> 02:49:05,370
also propose a rule next year
for flying drones beyond the

2803
02:49:05,370 --> 02:49:06,840
sight line of the pilot.

2804
02:49:07,019 --> 02:49:09,989
Which of course is something
that is now a rule in the United

2805
02:49:09,989 --> 02:49:13,019
States you can just fly it
without the operator seeing it

2806
02:49:13,139 --> 02:49:17,879
this is such bull crap this is
total insanity

2807
02:49:17,880 --> 02:49:21,660
is the stunt to get them name
Amazon out there even more I

2808
02:49:21,660 --> 02:49:26,790
know but total publicity stunt
and the news media slapping it

2809
02:49:26,790 --> 02:49:30,930
up and they're not getting paid
to run the store. down there's

2810
02:49:30,960 --> 02:49:36,360
no doubting that this is a
native ad I'm more convinced

2811
02:49:36,360 --> 02:49:37,560
that they're just stupid.

2812
02:49:37,590 --> 02:49:40,920
I think so too. I just think
they're stupid. And now listen

2813
02:49:40,920 --> 02:49:43,410
to this because of course what
happens with all of this great

2814
02:49:43,410 --> 02:49:46,890
technology and robotics and AI
is no one will have a job

2815
02:49:46,890 --> 02:49:50,250
anymore. Someone will have money
to have Amazon drones drop stuff

2816
02:49:50,250 --> 02:49:56,730
off. CNBC had a conversation
about the future of jobs when it

2817
02:49:56,730 --> 02:49:59,970
comes to artificial intelligence
and robotics in the workplace.

2818
02:50:00,000 --> 02:50:03,450
So their conclusion with this
expert is fabulous.

2819
02:50:05,819 --> 02:50:09,359
So we moved now from Stephen
livan China to Amazon on robots,

2820
02:50:09,389 --> 02:50:12,329
and they are implementing robots
and the use of them at a rapid

2821
02:50:12,329 --> 02:50:15,989
rapid pace. But economists have
been arguing that jobs and

2822
02:50:15,989 --> 02:50:19,439
automation actually go the
sounds counterintuitive hand in

2823
02:50:19,439 --> 02:50:23,459
hand. Yvonne in on this, she has
the details. Hey, Hilary. Hey,

2824
02:50:23,460 --> 02:50:25,980
Connell will economist we talked
to you said artificial

2825
02:50:25,980 --> 02:50:29,220
intelligence technology could
create jobs of the future that

2826
02:50:29,220 --> 02:50:31,920
look a little different than
jobs of today, but they'll pay a

2827
02:50:31,920 --> 02:50:32,610
lot more.

2828
02:50:33,120 --> 02:50:36,060
So what the data actually says
is that even though we're at

2829
02:50:36,060 --> 02:50:40,980
about a 6%, job loss today
through automation, by 2021,

2830
02:50:41,040 --> 02:50:45,990
we're going to have eliminated a
net 1% More jobs. So it's not a

2831
02:50:45,990 --> 02:50:50,310
huge 6% loss between now and
then it's about a 1% change is

2832
02:50:50,310 --> 02:50:53,940
jobs are lost due to automation,
and created a new industries

2833
02:50:53,940 --> 02:50:54,870
through automation as well.

2834
02:50:55,020 --> 02:50:58,080
Today, companies like Uber,
Netflix and Amazon are on the

2835
02:50:58,080 --> 02:51:01,350
frontlines of what analysts call
digital disruption because

2836
02:51:01,350 --> 02:51:04,470
they're matching supply and
demand through digital platforms

2837
02:51:04,470 --> 02:51:07,860
and making old ways obsolete. So
what are your options? If your

2838
02:51:07,860 --> 02:51:10,770
job is phasing out? Well, you
can either retrain and rescale

2839
02:51:10,770 --> 02:51:13,650
yourself for a job in an
industry that economists say is

2840
02:51:13,650 --> 02:51:15,810
growing because of AI
technology.

2841
02:51:15,840 --> 02:51:20,700
Oh, what do those jobs be? I
asked you John C. Dvorak.

2842
02:51:22,230 --> 02:51:24,870
server server at McDonald's
clothes.

2843
02:51:25,980 --> 02:51:30,510
Remember, these are great jobs.
These are great job jobs. And

2844
02:51:30,510 --> 02:51:33,510
for anyone who's young, and
listening to our show, these are

2845
02:51:33,510 --> 02:51:36,480
great jobs. Are you ready for
your great jobs?

2846
02:51:36,690 --> 02:51:39,960
A guy who goes around with his
little scraper and picks up GM

2847
02:51:40,980 --> 02:51:44,520
economists say is growing
because of AI technology, which

2848
02:51:44,520 --> 02:51:47,490
is the healthcare sector. Or you
can try something different

2849
02:51:47,490 --> 02:51:49,680
altogether. They also say
they're seeing an increase of

2850
02:51:49,680 --> 02:51:52,890
people using skills that they
already had to do something

2851
02:51:52,920 --> 02:51:56,640
else, like driving an Uber car
or becoming a dog walker, and

2852
02:51:56,640 --> 02:51:59,400
mobile apps have changed the
game and opened up a lot more

2853
02:51:59,400 --> 02:52:00,270
job opportunities.

2854
02:52:00,300 --> 02:52:03,420
So there you go. That's your
future driving Uber or a dog

2855
02:52:03,420 --> 02:52:03,990
walker.

2856
02:52:04,320 --> 02:52:07,380
Yeah, there's a great job. My
daughter's a dog walker.

2857
02:52:08,189 --> 02:52:10,169
Yeah. Is it a great job?

2858
02:52:10,830 --> 02:52:13,920
I'll tell you this month, she
puts on like 12 miles a day.

2859
02:52:13,980 --> 02:52:17,520
Oh, there's that but and I
apologize profusely and she

2860
02:52:17,520 --> 02:52:17,850
likes

2861
02:52:17,850 --> 02:52:19,590
walking the dog. She's a dog
person.

2862
02:52:21,120 --> 02:52:24,150
That's not a future though. For
her. She doesn't realize she's

2863
02:52:24,150 --> 02:52:28,770
doing it. All right. I apologize
profusely to everyone whose echo

2864
02:52:28,770 --> 02:52:33,150
device we triggered with that
last report. So I would like to

2865
02:52:33,150 --> 02:52:37,740
say, Alexa, play the latest
episode of the no agenda,

2866
02:52:37,740 --> 02:52:40,500
podcast. Boom.

2867
02:52:43,140 --> 02:52:46,230
Good phones, a landline and the
phone should be made out of

2868
02:52:46,230 --> 02:52:47,280
Bakelite. Right,

2869
02:52:47,310 --> 02:52:50,430
that's your tech news for today.
Bye. Bye bye.

2870
02:52:52,260 --> 02:52:54,150
Now what we've got to do I'm
gonna have to do on the next

2871
02:52:54,150 --> 02:52:59,520
show move it up. Was that Adam
Kay or defense attorney who

2872
02:52:59,520 --> 02:53:02,370
donated to the show that that
thing I hadn't put all the site

2873
02:53:02,370 --> 02:53:05,040
but I never sent the information
to Eric so he didn't get

2874
02:53:05,040 --> 02:53:07,710
mentioned with this $500
donation. I will do it. Let's do

2875
02:53:07,710 --> 02:53:10,530
it. Thursday. I'm gonna do it
Thursday, and I'm just looking

2876
02:53:10,530 --> 02:53:12,840
at Yeah, okay, good. Anyway,
sorry. Yeah.

2877
02:53:14,550 --> 02:53:17,640
Okay, we are, we're gonna run a
little long, John. So if you

2878
02:53:17,790 --> 02:53:20,730
want to play a couple more
things, we should probably

2879
02:53:20,730 --> 02:53:21,150
regret it.

2880
02:53:21,630 --> 02:53:24,420
I got a little hard you know
that the Russian Exodus is a

2881
02:53:24,420 --> 02:53:27,720
funny little report from our
tea. Because apparently they

2882
02:53:27,720 --> 02:53:30,300
also shut down a lot of the San
Francisco operation the

2883
02:53:30,300 --> 02:53:33,780
Russians, and they got rid of
their guests. They got rid of

2884
02:53:33,780 --> 02:53:37,920
the one of the most important
guys it must have been a spy. If

2885
02:53:37,920 --> 02:53:40,710
you've been watching a lot of
Steven Seagal movies, you might

2886
02:53:40,710 --> 02:53:45,150
think that let's play the RT
report on diplomat Exodus.

2887
02:53:46,290 --> 02:53:48,690
More details are emerging
concerning the Obama

2888
02:53:48,690 --> 02:53:51,570
administration's latest
sanctions against Russia for

2889
02:53:51,570 --> 02:53:55,920
allegedly influencing November's
presidential election 35 Russian

2890
02:53:55,920 --> 02:54:00,060
diplomats were given 72 hours to
leave the US and among them is

2891
02:54:00,060 --> 02:54:03,660
the head chef at the Russian
consulate in San Francisco,

2892
02:54:04,350 --> 02:54:07,410
to have to say goodbye to close
to a dozen of our colleagues or

2893
02:54:07,410 --> 02:54:11,220
friends. They will fly back to
Russia on December 31. Meeting

2894
02:54:11,220 --> 02:54:14,160
the new year while in flight.
The three kids will not see

2895
02:54:14,160 --> 02:54:18,450
Santa. They have only one day to
finalize their financial affairs

2896
02:54:18,480 --> 02:54:21,870
terminate their apartment leases
pack their belongings, as well

2897
02:54:21,870 --> 02:54:25,650
as to prepare for the long trip.
Why did it all happen? They were

2898
02:54:25,650 --> 02:54:28,590
qualified as intelligence
operatives, bizarre and

2899
02:54:28,590 --> 02:54:32,040
ridiculous. One of the people
who was expelled has been the

2900
02:54:32,040 --> 02:54:33,120
chef of the consulate.

2901
02:54:33,630 --> 02:54:36,450
As part of retaliation for
alleged Russian hacking

2902
02:54:36,450 --> 02:54:40,560
diplomats in America were also
asked to vacate to holiday homes

2903
02:54:40,560 --> 02:54:44,310
although no specific reason was
given. One of those is located

2904
02:54:44,310 --> 02:54:45,660
in Long Island in New York.

2905
02:54:47,190 --> 02:54:51,540
Okay, but I'm reminded of the
Steven Seagal movie, which just

2906
02:54:52,080 --> 02:54:59,580
oh, I'm shipping just to cook.
I'm just the code. Hey, like

2907
02:54:59,730 --> 02:55:03,780
there were is a Buzzfeed article
of all things that came out that

2908
02:55:03,810 --> 02:55:06,810
a lot of people sent to me and I
thought it might be fun because

2909
02:55:06,810 --> 02:55:10,500
we've talked about the Dutch,
how when they speak English,

2910
02:55:10,500 --> 02:55:14,550
they come across as rude harsh,
and I have some of that still

2911
02:55:14,550 --> 02:55:19,110
even you claim. Oh, yeah, you do
in money and how I speak. Yeah.

2912
02:55:19,200 --> 02:55:26,100
And they as a Buzzfeed listed
17, deeply satisfying Dutch

2913
02:55:26,130 --> 02:55:30,240
insults we need in English. And
these are insulted people do use

2914
02:55:30,240 --> 02:55:34,230
in everyday life. Sometimes even
on television, it's these are

2915
02:55:34,230 --> 02:55:37,740
not considered horrible.
interesting about them is that a

2916
02:55:37,740 --> 02:55:41,940
lot of them? The genesis of them
is from hundreds of years ago.

2917
02:55:42,570 --> 02:55:44,670
And I thought maybe we'd run
through these so you can have a

2918
02:55:44,670 --> 02:55:47,430
little laugh about Dutch
language.

2919
02:55:48,450 --> 02:55:50,640
Well, that's funny meshes
because I do have one little

2920
02:55:50,640 --> 02:55:54,000
commentary about these old
usages that I think need to be

2921
02:55:54,000 --> 02:55:57,960
revisited. Okay. What do you
got? Well, for when Mimi and I

2922
02:55:57,960 --> 02:56:01,380
were talking about something,
and if somebody was drunk, and

2923
02:56:01,380 --> 02:56:04,530
she made the comment, I'm buddy
or Mimi, who was it? Now she was

2924
02:56:04,530 --> 02:56:10,230
she never gets drunk. said the
person had a snoot fool. Oh, and

2925
02:56:10,230 --> 02:56:12,870
I realized that that's something
my parents used to say. And we

2926
02:56:12,870 --> 02:56:15,750
laughed about it, because her
parents used to say snoot fool

2927
02:56:15,750 --> 02:56:21,570
to the other one, which is that
I was an ant attack as usual. It

2928
02:56:21,570 --> 02:56:27,120
happens. And these ants got into
the soy sauce. Oh, and I

2929
02:56:27,120 --> 02:56:31,050
immediately reference to the
fact that there's ants in the

2930
02:56:31,050 --> 02:56:33,990
soy sauce in the zoo with little
soy sauce. Baldy has got the

2931
02:56:33,990 --> 02:56:38,010
poor thing the top two Chinese
style. Yeah. And she and I both

2932
02:56:38,010 --> 02:56:42,810
recognize the old usage. The
term that just completely out of

2933
02:56:42,810 --> 02:56:45,360
favor, but I think it'd be
brought back my dad used to say

2934
02:56:45,360 --> 02:56:48,810
to her dad used to say it. The
reference to soy sauce was

2935
02:56:48,810 --> 02:56:50,610
always bug juice,

2936
02:56:50,640 --> 02:56:51,450
who

2937
02:56:52,500 --> 02:56:54,750
my dad would say pass the bug
juicy. I

2938
02:56:54,750 --> 02:56:58,050
don't bug juice when I was
growing up was kind of this,

2939
02:56:58,740 --> 02:57:02,760
like shitty kool aid that you
had at a picnic and was like a

2940
02:57:02,760 --> 02:57:05,910
big batch. And it was like it
was watery. That was bug juice

2941
02:57:06,300 --> 02:57:08,760
on a budget. And then if you
think about the soy sauce, it's

2942
02:57:08,760 --> 02:57:12,360
kind of like, it looks like but
you can see it being bugged

2943
02:57:12,360 --> 02:57:15,690
juice. But bug juice, I think
it'd be something we should

2944
02:57:15,690 --> 02:57:16,170
bring back.

2945
02:57:16,200 --> 02:57:19,800
Well, let's let's start with the
with the first one here, which I

2946
02:57:19,800 --> 02:57:24,330
have. I've used this on the show
before the first word is meat or

2947
02:57:24,330 --> 02:57:30,360
no sugar, which literally means
an ant fucker, of course implied

2948
02:57:30,360 --> 02:57:34,830
to be as a nitpicker. But you
know, mediocre is and people say

2949
02:57:34,830 --> 02:57:39,720
this all the time. overwrought
sock scoundrel or literally

2950
02:57:39,720 --> 02:57:44,190
because all of these are literal
a rotten sack. Then we have my

2951
02:57:44,190 --> 02:57:49,410
favorite smear lop, which means
literally a grease rag. But of

2952
02:57:49,410 --> 02:57:55,050
course it means dirt bag. Now,
this one is you so frequently

2953
02:57:55,260 --> 02:57:58,440
critical and and I think parents
will even say this to their

2954
02:57:58,440 --> 02:58:02,040
children sometimes that could
the cop. It literally means

2955
02:58:02,070 --> 02:58:03,120
vagina face.

2956
02:58:05,100 --> 02:58:06,450
What's it referring to?

2957
02:58:07,110 --> 02:58:11,640
If you're just doing more like
douchebag but it's kind of it's

2958
02:58:11,640 --> 02:58:15,780
lost a lot of its meaning. But
there it is. Then we have closed

2959
02:58:15,780 --> 02:58:21,810
suck. Which is literally a
testicle sack. We have Bartolo

2960
02:58:21,810 --> 02:58:24,420
This is my favorite though you
are a big part of Lille, which

2961
02:58:24,420 --> 02:58:28,590
is a horse dick. Then this one
comes from hundreds of years

2962
02:58:28,590 --> 02:58:35,130
ago, polluters layer,
tuberculosis suffer. And it's

2963
02:58:35,130 --> 02:58:38,670
often used by ag craft a
Pluribus which means go get

2964
02:58:38,670 --> 02:58:39,630
tuberculosis.

2965
02:58:40,050 --> 02:58:43,650
I see that word pleurisy in the
in there as a part of the route.

2966
02:58:43,680 --> 02:58:46,140
Isn't that tuberculosis?
pleurisy? Yes, Morrissey?

2967
02:58:46,200 --> 02:58:51,990
Tuberculosis. And this is like,
hey, go get tuberculosis. You're

2968
02:58:51,990 --> 02:58:56,670
upon a cook, which means you're
a pancake. You are a dose? Yeah,

2969
02:58:56,670 --> 02:58:59,880
this is Oh, you only use this
for women. Now she is she's a

2970
02:58:59,880 --> 02:59:03,750
dose and D O S and that
literally means she's a box

2971
02:59:05,910 --> 02:59:11,640
CommScope Of course, cheesehead.
We have up tiefen optifine. Now,

2972
02:59:11,640 --> 02:59:15,360
this is another one of those old
ones, which means literally go

2973
02:59:15,360 --> 02:59:16,470
and get typhoid.

2974
02:59:18,330 --> 02:59:24,000
Hmm. Because they wish you ill.
Yes, yes. Yes. And yeah. And

2975
02:59:24,000 --> 02:59:26,850
then maybe wishing you Ill go
get sick. Yeah.

2976
02:59:27,180 --> 02:59:31,980
The interesting the Dutch do
that. Goodwife which means

2977
02:59:31,980 --> 02:59:38,550
vagina woman and mosquito which
means a crazy kettle as in tea

2978
02:59:38,550 --> 02:59:42,330
kettle. And then the final one,
which has to be my favorite off

2979
02:59:42,600 --> 02:59:46,920
collective both at home. And
this refers to someone who has

2980
02:59:46,920 --> 02:59:50,490
had a lot of sex, literally an
overlooked sandwich.

2981
02:59:53,550 --> 02:59:55,170
That would be the same as slut.

2982
02:59:55,859 --> 02:59:58,259
Yeah, yeah. But you can also use
it for men.

2983
02:59:59,670 --> 03:00:01,560
So What can be used for men to

2984
03:00:01,590 --> 03:00:10,500
Yeah, why no you can say afflict
the both of them all right. I

2985
03:00:10,500 --> 03:00:12,540
useful I thought you would like
it more but I guess

2986
03:00:12,570 --> 03:00:16,320
I think they do. Well. How much
would you like it? I think

2987
03:00:16,320 --> 03:00:19,320
there's a couple in there that
can be made into little screams

2988
03:00:20,189 --> 03:00:23,099
Ooh, yeah. Don't you think?

2989
03:00:23,130 --> 03:00:23,940
Yes.

2990
03:00:24,480 --> 03:00:30,240
Me to no grip well we'll work
with the with Fletcher

2991
03:00:30,930 --> 03:00:33,390
Fletcher does the screams okay.
Yeah,

2992
03:00:33,390 --> 03:00:35,130
let's even get Fletcher do that
it'd be fun.

2993
03:00:36,720 --> 03:00:39,810
A couple of choice ones. I
wasn't offensive.

2994
03:00:40,500 --> 03:00:44,700
Yeah, right. I only have one
last thing I'd like to share

2995
03:00:44,700 --> 03:00:47,010
with the group but if you want
to play something before we can

2996
03:00:47,010 --> 03:00:47,460
do that,

2997
03:00:47,910 --> 03:00:51,930
well let me see where we got the
good short game move this I can

2998
03:00:51,930 --> 03:00:52,740
move these

2999
03:00:53,250 --> 03:00:55,590
I'm gonna move this Thursday to
this is gonna be

3000
03:00:55,590 --> 03:00:58,050
moved. He's gonna be moved. I'm
gonna I'm gonna move these to

3001
03:00:58,050 --> 03:01:00,120
Thursday. What do you what do
you what are you moving? So I

3002
03:01:00,120 --> 03:01:02,850
know what are you moving? I'm
moving second half a show no

3003
03:01:02,850 --> 03:01:05,520
radio signals, which have been
good and okay, I'm moving the

3004
03:01:05,520 --> 03:01:07,500
train. aliens coming to kill us
all.

3005
03:01:07,560 --> 03:01:10,830
I'm moving the transgender
segment to the Thursday as well.

3006
03:01:12,030 --> 03:01:15,810
I got a fake news in Germany. I
was in Archie's story, which is

3007
03:01:15,840 --> 03:01:18,930
about fake news. And he goes, Do
we have a Assange agenda?

3008
03:01:18,930 --> 03:01:19,500
barnacles?

3009
03:01:19,680 --> 03:01:22,530
Let's do let's do the Assange.
Let's do that one. That'll get

3010
03:01:23,580 --> 03:01:28,170
everybody bent out of shape. As
if it was a bit jet did the

3011
03:01:28,170 --> 03:01:33,540
Guardian decided to do fake news
story on what Assange had to say

3012
03:01:33,540 --> 03:01:37,170
do it with an interview. I think
it was with Glenn Greenwald.

3013
03:01:37,980 --> 03:01:40,350
Yes, Greenwald ripped him apart
for this, I

3014
03:01:40,350 --> 03:01:41,640
think. Yes.

3015
03:01:42,030 --> 03:01:44,430
The British newspaper The
Guardian has been heavily

3016
03:01:44,430 --> 03:01:47,040
criticized for publishing a
summary of an interview with

3017
03:01:47,040 --> 03:01:50,010
WikiLeaks founder Julian
Assange, which selectively

3018
03:01:50,010 --> 03:01:53,310
edited his quotes. The interview
was originally given to the

3019
03:01:53,310 --> 03:01:57,000
Italian outlet their Republica
and misleading publication went

3020
03:01:57,000 --> 03:02:00,780
viral on social media will
another outlet be intercepted

3021
03:02:00,780 --> 03:02:04,860
write an article explaining why
the Guardians report was

3022
03:02:04,860 --> 03:02:07,650
actually false news and we can
take a closer look at its

3023
03:02:07,650 --> 03:02:11,340
findings here. First of all, it
disprove the fact that Assange

3024
03:02:11,340 --> 03:02:15,240
gave so called guarded praise of
Donald Trump saying he neutrally

3025
03:02:15,240 --> 03:02:19,530
described his predictions for
the US election. The second

3026
03:02:19,530 --> 03:02:22,680
point highlighted was Assange,
his long term relationship with

3027
03:02:22,680 --> 03:02:25,440
Vladimir Putin with the only
evidence provided his eight

3028
03:02:25,440 --> 03:02:29,370
interviews he did with us here
on RT Julian Assange has been

3029
03:02:29,370 --> 03:02:33,210
branded a Moscow stooge before
her some have even called him a

3030
03:02:33,330 --> 03:02:36,990
useful idiot for appearing on RT
he was also accused of being

3031
03:02:36,990 --> 03:02:40,320
Putin's puppet after WikiLeaks
released documents damaging to

3032
03:02:40,320 --> 03:02:42,030
Hillary Clinton's campaign.

3033
03:02:44,370 --> 03:02:47,880
Yeah, yeah. And the Guardian,
shame on them, shame on them for

3034
03:02:47,880 --> 03:02:48,480
doing that.

3035
03:02:48,510 --> 03:02:51,360
This is all part of the giant I
would say I wouldn't call it a

3036
03:02:51,360 --> 03:02:54,060
conspiracy. It's just that
agreement of gentleman's

3037
03:02:54,060 --> 03:02:57,390
agreement. They're all gonna go
after all this stuff. Give it to

3038
03:02:57,420 --> 03:02:59,970
give it to Russia. They're
horrible. For some reason. We

3039
03:02:59,970 --> 03:03:02,430
don't know why, but they're
gonna keep keep up this this

3040
03:03:02,430 --> 03:03:06,570
nonsense. And this just
corrupting all media. I mean,

3041
03:03:06,570 --> 03:03:09,270
these guys, everybody's bent out
of shape about Trump winning and

3042
03:03:09,270 --> 03:03:11,700
this not ending this is gonna
continue to be bad. This is

3043
03:03:11,700 --> 03:03:13,650
gonna be a great year for the no
agenda show.

3044
03:03:13,740 --> 03:03:18,030
And you will be part of it.
Everybody listening? It will be

3045
03:03:18,030 --> 03:03:23,760
a fabulous year. It's gonna be
funny, too. I'm thinking. And I

3046
03:03:23,760 --> 03:03:25,680
have some Yeah, we're gonna have
some laughs

3047
03:03:26,670 --> 03:03:29,430
Yeah, yeah. And I don't think
he's gonna calm down anytime

3048
03:03:29,430 --> 03:03:32,490
soon. No, no, no. Especially
with the guys I did. David Korn

3049
03:03:32,490 --> 03:03:35,940
ended up on the PBS NewsHour
that shows we ever since I've

3050
03:03:35,970 --> 03:03:39,660
done it know how it happened.
But when Glen died, yeah, sudden

3051
03:03:39,660 --> 03:03:41,850
your eyes just the boat is
tilted.

3052
03:03:43,740 --> 03:03:46,740
And that is your deconstruction
for today, everybody. This is

3053
03:03:46,740 --> 03:03:49,890
the no agenda show known as the
best podcast universe award

3054
03:03:49,890 --> 03:03:55,290
winning. For news. We are award
winning. And we will and we'll

3055
03:03:55,290 --> 03:04:00,120
return on Thursday for another
episode of no agenda show. Thank

3056
03:04:00,120 --> 03:04:04,140
you all very much for your
support in with clips, jingles,

3057
03:04:04,140 --> 03:04:10,290
artwork, finances, support, and
just lovely messages. And coming

3058
03:04:10,290 --> 03:04:12,720
to you from the crackpot condo
here in the skyscraper in

3059
03:04:12,720 --> 03:04:15,240
downtown Austin Tay Haas, the
capital of the drone Star State

3060
03:04:15,240 --> 03:04:17,550
FEMA Region six on the map if
you're looking for it in the

3061
03:04:17,550 --> 03:04:19,830
morning, everybody, I'm Adam
curry,

3062
03:04:20,070 --> 03:04:24,030
and from Northern Silicon
Valley, where I remain I'm John

3063
03:04:24,030 --> 03:04:25,020
C. Dvorak

3064
03:04:25,470 --> 03:04:30,600
return on Thursday right here on
no agenda till then. Adios

3065
03:04:30,600 --> 03:04:31,410
mofos.

3066
03:04:50,850 --> 03:04:54,120
People I mean, not only can I
get A listers, you can barely

3067
03:04:54,150 --> 03:04:57,750
Bayless or people. Immigrants.
Like for somebody people

3068
03:04:57,840 --> 03:05:01,590
which were directly counter This
inauguration and inauguration

3069
03:05:01,620 --> 03:05:03,720
according to Ross, he say
listeners

3070
03:05:03,720 --> 03:05:07,890
that this can barely be lesser
immigrants. Like for somebody

3071
03:05:07,890 --> 03:05:13,890
who writes the list celebrities
that are out there

3072
03:05:14,220 --> 03:05:17,910
that celebrities are clamoring
to get in the talent, rock

3073
03:05:17,910 --> 03:05:18,120
scene.

3074
03:05:18,660 --> 03:05:22,740
They're getting a list. People
brown people, dice whatever. Can

3075
03:05:22,740 --> 03:05:23,940
I give ale and how can

3076
03:05:24,090 --> 03:05:26,700
I started with the poster
there's a whole bunch of people,

3077
03:05:26,880 --> 03:05:27,840
immigrants and then

3078
03:05:28,080 --> 03:05:32,820
black and brown people. The
rights campaign and

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inauguration according to Ted
Ross and lamb list our doors to

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do this I mean, I think it's
good at listening.

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To strip right for a while to
get

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in an operation. According to
Ted Rossi speaking celebrities

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are actually currently

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alive for a number of rehearsals
where you want to literally

3085
03:05:54,720 --> 03:05:58,050
celebrate you when you want to
literally destroy the lives of

3086
03:05:58,050 --> 03:06:01,560
you which this person gets
morning. Rafi saying both

3087
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literal Bernie I think me I've
been listening for literally

3088
03:06:04,080 --> 03:06:08,700
anything to want to watch this
this person in solidarity I

3089
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think this person just don't
want to watch the MTV list

3090
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celebrities that are out there
happy I think it's fun to watch

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this person gets to feel like a
basis so like the person gets

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one in the basal literally don't
want them this morning Anthony I

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think it gives people literally
literally, literally literally,

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literally

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the morning Morning Morning
Morning Good Morning.

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I think there are human beings
who said you want to know why. I

3097
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want to strip rights away from
you.

3098
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Slamming the UN as just a club
for people to get together

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boots on the ground that exists.
You don't leave us no idea what

3100
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it's like shots when the
children are trying to walk on

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03:07:36,990 --> 03:07:41,040
the bus corner back to your
house is traumatic. And it

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creates a situation edits just
untenable. For audios

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