podcasting 2.0 for September 23 2022, episode 103 Where's
Brianna? Hello, everybody. Welcome to podcasting. 2.0 is
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the heart of the Texas Hill Country and in Alabama, the man
who knows if you've got music in your feed, say a lot of my
friend on the other end, ladies and gentlemen, Mr. Dave Jones.
Man, so beautiful here. So, so nice. Like, low 70s. Outside no
humidity. Yeah, it's just beautiful. Yeah,
I have to say I was in Georgia last week. And it was warmer
than it is there now today where you are. But it was also really
nice. Just a break from the Texas heat was very welcome.
Let you get lucky because South Georgia is usually like the
surface of the sun. Right? Oh, hot there
right. Now it was it was really good. I loved it. And I made
about
you, you sound like you had a good trip.
It was a really good trip. Particularly all the stories of
this was the beef initiative food intelligence Summit. And
this is a lot of people who are a lot of people who are
understanding what it is to live on a diet of pure, you know,
grass fed, grass finished, most would say, depending on your
taste profile, animal protein. And so besides you know, and
really connecting ranchers, to a new audience, in this case,
Bitcoiners, because Bitcoiners are willing to try anything and
they got money, basically, I think that was the initial idea.
But it turns out, they all kind of understand store of value for
the rancher, it's in the cow, the ranchers checking account if
he has one as a processing plant. So then there's all these
all these these similarities, but ranchers have been in
America have been systematically pushed towards the commodity
business of look, you just raise it, you ship them off to us, and
then we'll chop them up. And we'll do whatever, mainly, you
know, ship that over to other countries. So, you know, in
America, we're not really even eating our own beef. You know,
it's from South America, Australia, but also the health
benefits, which is, you know, I don't even know where you stand
on that. But it's been quite amazing to see people who have
had issues for 20 years start to clear them up, and like two
weeks
there, followed this now, do you know the meat only diet? Do you
know?
Yeah, the corner of the carnivore code? Sure. Yeah.
So I followed this guy years ago,
when the doctor whatever his name is,
no, this guy, no, this, this is just a just a dude. And this
dude. Just the dude, you know, he decided that he was going to
eat just meat, only meat. This is before there was a mean, like
a carnivore diet. And he kept this journal. This is probably I
don't know, eight or nine years ago, he kept this journal of of
what what happened to his body, how he felt all these kinds of
things. And he was like, I think the age was, I think he was
around 60 or so. And so he was like, you know, I'm just gonna
do this and see what happens. He was sort of one of those
experimenter and have one guy's and so he starts doing it. And
he the ordered, so there's a place out in Texas called
Slickers. Yeah, which is like a grass fed beef. And they got
more than just beef is all grass fed. It's all natural stuff. So
he orders there is like, half and half like a hat, like a one
to one ratio of regular beef. That was like, ground beef, like
15% fat, and then their dog food beef. Oh, yeah. Was there it had
all the organ meats and everything
in it. That was now being consumed by people again.
Interesting.
Yes, exactly. Yeah. So he's like, you know, it says not for
human consumption, but it's the same stuff as everybody else
gets. So and he ate it raw
dough. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Well, now it's what I heard a
lot of these right and I'm gonna put this clip in the show notes.
It's about three minutes. It's Texas slim on the higher side
chats and he explains it so well. In three minutes. It's
it's phenomenal.
Did he name that thing that beef? Dave and telefoon
intelligence.
It's all him. It's all him? Because that's a great name. Oh,
yeah. No, this guy's listened to a couple of couple just for a
little bit of this. This guy's a born but now he's a rancher.
fifth, fourth or fifth generation, West Texas. But he
also worked right after college years, which he didn't graduate.
He just attended college in Austin. Just all the rest of us.
Yeah, exactly what he just audited. So he has no degree.
And he I think, right on the.com, boom, boom, boom, he
was involved in telecom and other things, but he's a rancher
at heart. And also rodeo guy.
Let me see. So you look out, you know, we're going through
hyperinflation at this time. Well, you can look at bitcoin is
basically a store of value that will fight hyperinflation, and
it's happening right in front of us right now. And people say,
well, it's too volatile. No, it's not volatile. It's gone up
100% its lifespan for the last 11 years in and I use the
comparison the same? Well, you want to look at volatility. You
know, I was in big tech, I was in.com, boom days, I was
younger, and I was in innovation at that time, and you don't
wanna talk volatility? How about Amazon crashing over 80%, over
nine times in its history that's volatile. And you look at a
stock like Apple where you couldn't even trade for it. It
was against the law in Massachusetts to buy Apple
stock. You know, you've looked at the stock market, you look at
our financial systems and Bitcoin, a lot of people don't
understand it, because it gets a bad rap. Because what they're
doing is they're doing a prohibition of really
understanding what Bitcoin is, because it is a decentralized
currency that has a store of value that we've never seen in a
digital form. And, you know, you look at my grandfather, he
understood what Bitcoin was, he just didn't have it. He
understood what a store of value was. And he had that store value
in his land. And the cattle itself
goes on. It's really good.
Yeah. If I saw something in the, in the local papers about a
thing called the beef initiative, food intelligence
summit, I would go right. Yes, definitely. I would go.
Yeah, exactly. It was really good. And it's also I mean, it's
amazing how little people know about their food, just in
general. So it's a great educational, you know, it's but
But it all comes down to value and people who understand value
and you know, actually, value for value, he kind of borrowed
that and adopted that to the beef initiative. And in turn, I
stole the New International lifestyle. I'm like this, I'm
taking that bitch, that's a good one. Like that. And we become
really good friends. And I've met all these incredible
ranchers and their story. I mean, it's just, it's
phenomenal. You know, some of these people were stockbrokers,
boom, change, you know, 20 years ago, 911, boom, done, go do
something else, and then also heal themselves. And it's magic,
David's magic. But you know who else is magic? My new hero, my
new hero. And I, I liked him from the get go the first time
he showed up in the group. When we hung out at podcast moving
like, as guys cool, he's got a lot going on in his brain. But
little did I know that he was such a troublemaker, and a man
after my own heart, in a very subversive way. John Spurlock is
just he's the shit. John Spurlock has done something so
cool. The listening to pod land and God bless Todd, from
blueberry and in the new media show. He is so honest, and so
open about his feelings and
his rattle off Todd. So Oh, yeah,
his response to OP three, the open podcast prefix project was,
I mean, it was just beautiful, because it showed me Yeah, it
the genesis of the podcast industrial complex. It taught me
a lot about what they're dealing with, or what they've dealt with
how captured it all is. And in a way, it's funny, because I don't
know if you if you heard the whole show, and I've I've heard
most of it at this point. Most of it. Yeah. But I want to make
it clear that you know, this is John Spurlock put this together
this is not necessarily podcasting. 2.0 is direction or
vision or, or we're gonna build a stat service or anything like
that. But it was it was that interpretation that really, like
holy crap, I had no idea that this is
this is what I loved hearing about. Oh, yeah, the history
there.
Oh, yeah. And the back rooms and the emotions and the months of
negotiating. And then at the end of the day, we you know,
everyone has to pay a $50,000 membership fee to be in the club
of the IAB. And by the way, I I have no problem with with with
IAB or anything if in case there was ever any, any confusion. I
really don't know enough about Alright, I understand the
concept. Now I know a lot more. Wow, this is great and that they
everyone, you can have IAB certified numbers and still have
different numbers from podcast host the podcast host. Well,
this is all of the the the whitelist, the black lists, the
amazing what they have gone through in a closed system.
Really it's been that must have been very painful to put that
together and it shows and I don't know about you, but I got
the feeling that even though I don't think that's it's
certainly not my plan. But you know John Spurlock's plan, I
don't know, I don't know what anyone's plan is. I don't really
care. But it felt like oh, wait a minute, because even Cridland
said, Well, you know, if they can get some IAB certification,
I don't think it was set up with with that in mind. This is just
a data service that, you know, you can muck around with. And if
you want, I guess you can put together stats package, you
know, or something I did I misinterpret what this thing is
for. is a platform for development, right? If someone
wants to create a stat servers, they can do some PRs and put
together a stat service. Is that my understanding? Is that
correct?
I think, you know, I don't know what's in Spurlock's head. I
know why I was excited about it.
Will Tell me what you were excited about. Were on the doll
that excites you. you point that out?
Right in the front.
Row, right there.
Right there. I don't like I don't want the index, or
podcasting 2.0 or anything like that in the stats business.
Oh, no more.
I don't think anybody really wants that. I mean, that's, it's
just there's too much. It's too icky. Nikki,
I'm not. I'm also not really interested in it.
I don't care. I did homework, by the way. I did. I did homework,
and I calculated every PM.
Well, thank you. I come up with about 120. What did you come up
with?
I came up with, I can look him up with ad on one. But I think
and I'll tell you my methodology in a minute. We can compare
methodology? Yes, yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. I'll show you mine. If you
show me your round the front baby. Read the front. The front.
I trust. As I want to say this, like, after listening to Todd. I
mean, I definitely. You know, we know these guys from the hosting
companies and I trust
under yours. Yeah. I trust
their numbers. I don't like if there's any. I would never say
that. I don't trust the download stats from you know, blueberry,
or Buzzsprout. Or RSS.
Let me put it this way. I have no distrust of what they're
doing. None. When it comes to looking at my timeline of when
people were listening and streaming SATs on the Saturn
stat board from Albea. I have 100% confidence in that. Yes,
they will. Here's your difference.
I don't. So I don't think any of those. I don't think that any of
them are doing anything shady. I know that I be he's like he's he
mentioned he said, Well, you know, Phil, like that in the
2.0. realm. There is general distrust of the I
know, this. I think total, not caring. What does that word?
Not? lethargy.
There you go. Thank you. apathy. Sure.
Yeah. So there's apathy. That should not be misinterpreted as
distrust, really. But there is something there. And the
something I think is what Todd himself talked about, which is
he you know, he recounted how he was shocked. That pod track was
able to get a B certification because their numbers were so
different from his own. And he knows for a fact that his are
solid.
Yeah, I'm sure they are.
That tells you that there's some and I'm not saying that that
doesn't anybody's doing anything shady? Um, no, not at all
guidelines. And the Denley are so loose.
Let's just put let's just let me just put it out there. This is
this is how it felt. Without anyone saying it. This is just
my interpretation. I am 58 have been around for a bit. And Dave
and I have no real dog in the hunt, which is the beautiful
part about this project doesn't matter one way or the other. You
know, we're not gonna even
even know how many down I didn't even know how many downloads we
had until like, exactly. And
I didn't have an idea until you posted a screenshot I'm going
off of a screenshot here but that's But the point is when
when this showed up, it's the response sell to me a little bit
like, hey, I really love these podcasting 2.0. Guys, I really
love value for value, but what what you're doing what will will
will will, will, will will what? Who Oh, what are you doing over
there was that's what what's pumped the brakes, pump the
brakes to porno boys. That's what it felt like. So I want to
remove that fear because we have no interest in the business of
stats or attribution or anything about that for me truly. I mean,
I can, I can see all kinds of interesting reasons for it. But
I just want to calculate a VPM. That's, and it doesn't matter
what the numbers are. They're the number. That's, that's just
my number. And if that means there's bots in there, other
than that's my number plus bots, but it's still the number, I'm
just going to use the same number, the and in fact, to
prove it that I don't care. And, um, this is also an ask at the
same time, because if this screws up, it's a big pain in
the ass. It hurts me in many ways. I just like to put the
next episode tomorrow as Sunday's episode of no agenda, I
want to put that into the OP three and see what pops up. I'm
interested. It may be it may be 40,000, it may be 400,000 may be
4 million, I don't know, at the same time that ever would
divorce at first. I don't care, we don't care, we don't care. It
doesn't matter. It doesn't matter. The only it doesn't
matter. It's not going to change our income. Right? That makes no
difference, it would be nice to know. And no matter what it is,
if I don't like it, I can say well, you know, it's not a IIB
certified. So it's a piece of Spurlock's little game over
there. It's not for real man, we can't trust that shit.
You need to put it, you put double Asterix on it. And then
down at the bottom of the page. The double asterisk says with
bots.
I'm very interested in just what it is. I mean, it's the system
solid enough? Because it would be
better be I mean, like I would I would imagine. So. I would
imagine if you throw a million, you know, a million downloads on
it, it would it should be able to handle it because they
handle, you know, 3000 times that on a regular basis.
But do you ever script where you can go count it for me? Because
I don't have any tools?
Yeah, I got some stuff now where I spent some estimate some time
this week writing some code on that. And that's how that's how
I'm able to calculate our VP that did to me that, like
the fact that we could be a big show that shows some, you know,
open numbers, open numbers, that's all it is just open
numbers. It's like, it's funny, you say that we'll just talk it
over with the vorak. We give the SEC, I'll just tell you the top
24 donations from Thursday's show, ranging from $1,000 to
200. And to 200. We read these people's notes, we gave the
number, the amount. So anyone can sit there and calculate what
we're making it. I'm proud of that. And I'm pretty sure that
people who support the show, we're also proud of it. So I'm
very interested to see if my theory and so we have different
numbers, I'd like to know what numbers you were working with my
theory of the VPM that it holds true that actually when you have
the smallest audience, when you wouldn't even qualify for
dynamic ad insertion, you would you would have a much higher VPM
and you would also actually be making money right away. So I
came up with 120 because I think I saw a 1475 number of
downloads.
So I recalculated this morning,
okay, all right.
I calculated do we want to run down do a runner. I was running
down
let's go bring it down. Come on, man. Break it down.
This is by the way, this is all very gross. And I don't like
doing any of this any of this stuff. This is
beautiful. This is a cool exercise. I don't
ever want to do it again. So I here's the numbers. I worked on
downloads, were 1514 Okay, for then and let me tell you where
this number comes from. Well, number one 1514 downloads per
episode we are on monetizable what's the I was
quite monetizable.
So the I only counted unique IP hashes for a range or for rent
as one download for for range requests and get requests and
exclude it. So if somebody did In 27 range requests from the
same IP hash. Kids just counted it as one.
Okay. All right. So already, you're putting in rules.
Yeah, yeah.
This is what this is the whole point we can make our own rules.
Or rules can be that we count Bots as Yeah, exactly as extra
as bonus material.
I'm not, I don't have to convince any advertiser with
these things.
So did the downloads. And then I, and then I excluded any user
agents that were, you know, not a known app. So just known apps
with single counts per IP hash, which could be under counting or
over counting, who knows? 1514 downloads.
Okay, so you took your 4% from that number
of episode 102. Now, I went further than this. I know I dug
in deeper zaxy. So then, I went flipped over to do the boosts
side of things, or to the to the SAT side boost. It figured out
with six, four, and I only counted episode 102 streams and
boosts in SATs. So this does not include streams and boosts that
we got for the episode when it was live. This is only meant to
match the download numbers. Check. Got it? Okay,
this is good. Oh, you. Why was I even wasting my time?
That comes out to 629,798 sads. From and that is from the that
includes streams and booths, how much they again, how much
629,798? Okay, so then I looked at how many individual donors
that represents because this is the all this is in the TLV
record. individual donors unique donor names 89. So we had 1514
downloads 629,798 SATs and 89 individual boost string boost
slash streamers. That if you take that 1500 14 downloads as
unique listens, which we know it's there's a bits gonna be in
the ballpark, then you're talking about 89 listeners
sending SATs back is 6%. So 66% of the people who downloaded the
episode. Ah.
Okay, so that's higher than the than the 4%. So already a win
over the Fiat version.
Yes, yes. Now, if this is my understanding of your VPM
calculation, so I went through this, I say I took the 629,798
SATs and divided it by 15 114, which would have been the unique
lessons. And that came out to 415.9 sets per download, which
would be 400 415,982 sets per 1000 downloads in US dollars,
and it comes out to $79 Z pm.
I like it. I think that I think you had the you had all the
right data. I was doing it on very, very broad numbers.
Yeah, we, if we drop it to 4%, if we say 4% VPN, with those
same with that same rate, it comes down to $53 VPN.
Right. But we actually know the percentage that's something
right that's that's always just kind of like a well, that was
not from download data. See with no with no agenda I have data on
we have a rough number of ideas of what we have a rough idea of
how many downloads we get, which should be interesting to see now
versus the last time that we accidentally found out. You
found out you found out hey, look at that. How did that work
last time?
Well, it was through the image art because you put in your
image artists, so it has to it had to download that was back
with Apple podcasts and had to download before they centralized
feed aggregation. So whenever you would put a new image into
when we put it behind Cloudflare we put the images behind
Cloudflare. And then so you would get it would tell you how
many requests for that image were coming from Apple podcasts,
individual apps. So then you could take that and do the do
the math there and get roughly, you know, million listeners,
which I think it was at the time. I think it's higher than
that now. But then, but then they missed that up when they
went to decentralize. So now individual, the individual
mobile devices are downloading.
And then you were picking up the stats, because at that point,
somehow you had rigged it for me. So it was going through
Cloudflare.
Well, it was an accident because Yeah,
exactly. That's the point I wanted to get to. I was an
accident. Because
yeah, because we put your put your show notes, aren't assets,
pardon the audio clip assets onto a Linode and put it behind
Cloudflare to get the caching. And then you up, you always
uploaded the individual episode art, to, to, you know, for each
new show, you uploaded it to the asset server, which happened to
be behind Cloudflare. And then we started seeing those stats
backs again. And what
was the number you saw?
Oh, no agenda. Yeah.
It was right. It was right around a million for over a
seven day period.
For so for an episode or that two episodes.
That was for like, the most recent couple of episodes. I
think that's, that's total, because there's always people
that are behind and lagging behind. Yeah, I think I think
that's it's been, it's been like a year and a half ago. So
it's really interesting, because we have Thursday numbers, and we
have Sunday numbers. And you know, that Sunday is always
lower, which I think is logical, because people don't typically
donate twice a week to a podcast many do, obviously. But also
this rotates, you know, it's like, people will not donate for
two months, and then they come back. And so it's the overall
percentage, the number of people who we know actually don't know
what maybe we'll get somewhere with this. I'm very excited to
try this. I think it was just do it.
Did it do the mp3 dot dev on
doing on Sunday's episode and see what happens. Now, if people
can't get it? Or if it gets blocked or anything I'm gonna
be, you know, I'm going to be excreted.
Maybe Spurlock can chime he could verify, yeah, he
could clarify if we're good to go, then I'll just do it.
Because that will be fun. And you have no agenda. I think it's
I'm proud to be a part of an open and open project. Let's
learn something.
And that was my that was my thing is that, you know,
there's, there's clearly a, because because Rob on that on
new media show seemed very befuddled by the fact that we're
while we were even
doing, and why are we even talking about it was I think was
a bigger thing. Yeah. Yeah.
And, and I think, I think it's because and we've talked about
this before, bringing the open source mindset into podcasting.
There's friction, there. It's not normal. People in podcasting
are not used to, or not used to. I don't want to I don't want to
sound this. I don't want this to sound too broad, because I don't
mean it that way. But I'm really talking a lot about money and
statistics. People within the podcast industrial complex, are
not used to there being radical transparency around money in
statistics. Right? I don't ever, you know, I don't think that's a
natural thing that everybody has become accustomed to, is there
is friction here. But there's clearly a is a set of people
that jumped on this very quickly, us, James at pod news,
transistor, Justin, and John over transistor, David Mitas.
And there's a lot of people who are going to jump on this early
because it's fun.
As long as the transparency Yeah, it's fun.
The openness is, is a sort of exhilarating thing like, like, I
mean, we talked about last week, I will end up putting this I'm
going to consider that I don't have to do math anymore. I'm
going to end up putting that code together. And just I'll
just push, I'll just make it public. I mean, Nord VPN will be
like, yeah, constantly updated. Yeah, of course. It's like, I
don't care people. I mean, people can listen to the show
and hear how much money we get to the show. Yeah, why the hell
did I care whether it's on a website or not? I mean, like,
but I don't think people are used to that in it. No,
no, of course it does. But I remember in the 15th and we're
coming up October 26 15 years no agenda almost coincides with
episode 1500. But I remember early on, you know, when people
like these guys, they're just a scam. It's a cult and making you
send your money. Like we're really powerful with MK Ultra
over here. You're and they were I think it was like no agenda.
numbers.com Let me see if it still exists. No agenda
numbers.com This guy was so pissed. Look and how much money
they're making. And no one cared. They were like, whatever.
It because it's a good show that's like, yeah, I don't know
if there's something's really this way we made this point with
causality when John when John cIgi was on the show, if it's a
really good show, I'm really happy to hear that they're
making a lot of money because it means they won't go away.
Exactly.
Because the last thing you want, if you're really love a show, is
for them to be struggling. Like, I don't want that. And
it's, I've been doing your Tina's has been very helpful for
me this is, you know, she worked in nonprofits. So she
understands a lot about gifting, donating and subsequently value
for value time, talent, treasure I got from her. I totally stole
that.
Also, it's biblical. Yeah. So it's
very pastor, Pastor.
Yes, it was, it was funny, because I was talking to Texas
slim. Yeah, he's, you know, I gave you his profile to me, you
don't have your ask down yet. And it's very difficult for him.
Because this is not how he was a lot of people, right. And so I
helped him with an analogy of a barn raising, and that works for
him. But also I said, Man, you've seen so many pastors, you
know how the pastor seamlessly transitions into the, hey, it's
time to pony up. You'll get that way. But look at him. And it's
not about why you have to give, just look at the ease at which
the pastor transitions because the pastor is open and honest,
and is saying, we need this help. You're not saying God is
mad, but if you don't pay him, he's, you know, he's, this is
for the church you're giving does this and you know, of
course, churches typically do a lot of good things with with the
money. But it's it just look at that. And that was very, very
helpful to him. But I guess the whole point of value for value
is so opposite. I mean, even, it's funny, I look at it, and I
love where they're doing it fountain that and I think it's
really creative. But when I see a list of who's making the most
Satoshis, it's like, that's, it's not so interesting. And I
know it inspires a lot of people, but personally, I'm
like, that doesn't really matter. You know, the list is,
you know, okay, whatever. It's a list. It's a list here, that
could be another list over there, and everyone can have a
list. People are so inspired by lists. But in reality, that's
not what makes doesn't make anything flow. You know, our
our, our board meeting, our weekly board meeting, we talk
about the project. It's making it flow, and we're surviving. I
mean, so what do we do a month we do about 1800 a month total
with our with our very generous $500 A month Fiat donors.
Yeah, if you add it all up together, it's just sounds about
right at 1800 2000 was somewhere along those lines? It
fluctuates.
Yeah, sometimes it's lower. Sometimes it's 16 1614. Or 14 To
me, just depends on what's going on. But like those. Those
baseline PayPal donations, you know, pay all the bills and then
the SATs are what fluctuates? Yeah, a lot. Yeah. Go ahead.
No, absolutely. Bottom line is we get exactly what we deserve.
This is what you get exactly what you deserve, what what we
put into it, we get out of it, what you put into it, or
conversely, what you get out of it, you want to put back into
it. It just it works. Anyway. So I was gonna say, we've been
discussing all these different reasons why people donate. And
we've been asking people, I've been talking to people, and I'd
love to know why people support podcasting. 2.0 Because there's
eight basic kind of, you know, you have to go into philosophy
for this. This is, you know, bunches, why is someone give
them besides, first of all podcasting 2.0 value for value,
we've removed almost all friction, which is the beauty.
The beautiful thing is it's like you want to you want to support
boom, you're good to go right there. No, literally a button is
a button right there. I mean, that's, that's magic for it for
any anyone trying to raise money for anything or, or or exchange
value. People do it for social reasons. Now, this is your
feedback loop. So that makes a lot of sense. People do it.
There's really a top three, the one that I liked the least which
is the most effective is what I just call the sad puppy roll. I
mean, it is true. If if no one supports us, then the index goes
away. I mean, it's that simple, and boohoo won't that suck. So
that is the most effective from all types of nonprofits is you
know, it's like hey, if you don't give money, these kids and
their families won't have a place to stay could be you one
day and that's kind of
the the American who was at the kennel club or whatever the AKC
the what's the one with the pets where it shows all the horrible
dogs being mistreated.
St. Peter, whatever. Yeah, whatever. Yeah. Yeah. So there's
that. But there's also well, that kind of flows into over to
the other one, which is it resonates. So something about
the Ask something resonates with people, and they're motivated
for their own reasons, which could be, oh, man, you know, I
wish when I was a kid, there was a resource where I could mess
around and develop an app. And you know, it could be any any
personal story. So these are the main the main reasons.
Well, cotton, Jen said it reminds me It reminds me of the
90s internet. That's why I love it.
Well, do you remember this openness? Do you remember
shareware? I mean, the idea was right, but we didn't have the
mechanisms in place. shareware involved you writing a check,
putting it in an envelope and sending it to somebody, you
know, five bucks to say, thanks. I use your software, then. And a
lot of a lot of people did very well with shareware.
And now you talk about friction. Now that's some friction that's
bigger than the you know, you gotta go get a stamp. Again,
envelope you gotta read check. I mean, this. That's, that's
that's the biggest friction. I mean, I think that the
rethinking of paradigms, just talking about OPC.
Any sentence that starts with a rethinking of paradigms is just
dynamite.
It's always valuable. We I mean, we may find, we may find it. I
don't know, we may find this six months from now, that op three
wasn't, didn't produce a lot of value. You know, maybe it wasn't
that big of a deal. I tend to think that that's not going to
be the case. But you know, we always think that about the
stuff that we that we're involved in excited about. But
you know, we may think this is not may ultimately may prove to
not be that that big of a deal. But that's what the mad
scientist laboratory of podcasting. 2.0 is about? Yes,
exactly. Without trying to figure out crazy stuff, paradigm
breaking things that challenge, the challenge, what's already
been being done, and seeing if it has any value? And if it
does, it'll bubble up. Yeah. And the cream rises to the top. If
it doesn't, it'll go, you know, it'll, it'll fall away. And, you
know, it may
like cross app comments. Stop, I have a thought I never thought
about that. I don't want to interrupt your flow, just
so that, you know, it's the visibility. And to me, the power
of the the thing that got me excited, the most about op
three, is the visibility outside of the bubble. Is Yeah, is
having the numbers show up outside of, you know, your
hosting dashboard, or whatever. Because then you can do things
like, as well, let me back up for a second. We know, or at
least I hope we know. And I'm the I'm using the weed to
include everybody. I hope we all know that. On a long enough time
scale IP, IP addresses, as a source of information of
reliable information about things that are going on is
probably going to go away.
Yeah, I would say so.
I mean, we've already you know, we've begun to see the very the
the the infancy of this with Apple private relay, and that
kind of thing. Tail scale. Yeah, exit nodes. Tore, every, there
is a lot, there's a ton of, of mental pressure being applied
across the open source world and not in and the proprietary world
as well, with privacy, caring people. There's a lot of mental
pressure being applied to how to get rid of IP addresses as a
source of yucky information about people. And that's going
to happen. So to me, the what I care mostly about op three is
not just a retread of what has already been done. Even though I
think it's valuable to have numbers in the open. I mean,
that's what we're about. But combining it with the ULI D, to
me, that is the ultimate goal. That that is the that is the
ultimate goal. Ul ID again, is that's how that's where you
create a random number. Your app creates a random number applies
it to this episode. And anytime you listen to that episode,
right,
then it attaches. Yeah. Right. So then we know that that's you
picking it up.
Yeah, we you know that every unique UL ID is a unique list.
Right.
So So what this does, is it inspires app developers to add
stuff like that add to the ecosystem so we have more fun.
Yeah, right. Yes. This is the sandbox.
Yeah. Can you is? Is this is OP three, does it? Is there a
benefit with IPFS? I don't know. When not interesting because one
of the main problems that Cameron has told me about IPFS
podcasting is if you go full IPFS protocol, IP address colon,
slash slash instead of an exit node of the you lose all kind of
trackability. Yeah, which makes sense, which makes sense. So you
can't you can't do stats right now. He has download stats,
which he gets from the network somehow. But if if you could use
this with IPFS with the protocol,
that's an interesting thing, because if you like my firt,
your first your first instinct would be to say, Okay, we'll put
it through a redirect. Yeah. OPI three redirect and then somehow
bounce it to IPFS born I'm handed
IPFS redirect.
Who and IPFS redirector. Yeah,
that's what I'm talking about. Same idea for IPFS Oh, man, I
love it when your brain starts cranking.
The you know, the other thing I noticed was about the CPM VPN
thing is if you look at so I pulled up advertised casts page
about and they give the latest CPM rates. And their little
chart here. Little chart shows one, it's got three, three rows,
and it says this verse 62nd, ad CPN. Between 1009 between
1009 1999 listeners is $26 CPM. Hmm. Interest between
10,090 9999 is 24 CPM. Oh, yeah. And 100,000 plus is $20. CPM.
What is this? fuckery.
So your CPM goes down, the more the more successful you are,
what is this one? The more downloads you have? Does that
make sense? I don't know. Generally, but be just one CPM.
You
know what the debt you know what the doesn't go down? VPN.
No VPN does go down, the larger it has to go down, the larger
your show is
4% is 4% 4% of a million is four is
right. You know, you know what we're gonna find out. So,
alright. Okay, so I love this. So no agenda when I say it's
like 30.1 or something? 30.5. But I don't but that's my old
calculation. So I'll be very very curious to see. Now Now we
can't do it one for one actually, because we don't have
any any Bookstagram data. We only have Pay Pal data. But you
know what? Let's just do it. Let's just see what happens with
an episode of the numbers itself and we'll check it out.
I will provide I will provide the numbers to the to the
shield. On op three. No, no, no, don't
give any dough. No, no. No, no, no, don't don't involve anybody.
Okay, this is supposed to be on the Qt
bro. Okay, I will not provide the numbers to anybody.
No to me. Just tell me what numbers you see.
I will I will get I will. I will send I will send one episode
and one episode only. I don't want to get burned. I don't want
to get caught everybody listening. Don't be a narc.
Don't be a narc.
I will send you a paper airplane. With the numbers
tucked discreetly. Yes. Interesting.
Wow, man. The chat room was a punk. I'm a punk rocker here
this is come on man. 2.0 was punk rock GABA GABA. Hey, okay.
Let's do it. So cross cross cross app comments I have on my
list, because you're absolutely right is one of those things.
It's just not. It's not working. It's not we don't have the spark
in and I'll be honest, that when I look at comments that are
working, that could be cross app today. I have to say the
lightning comments work. Yeah, I was not a fan of it. And I'm
still not a fan of it. But I would rather have active people
using Lightning comments, because what I see in Fountain
is impressive. Now it's it screws up my my a helipad with
all kinds of little things. But that's also kind of cool because
Oh, someone's commenting over there. Then I'll pop over open
up the app. I'll go in I'll I'll reply. Maybe I'll give someone a
little boost there. It's a very pleasurable way of interacting
with the audience in a in an app it would be nice if it could be
cross app and it seems like that's the easy part. So I'm
just identifying something that's working I'm not saying we
all have to do that I'm just throwing it out there as I'm I
am willing if there's enough steam to capitulate on this one
I it's sad to me because we have such great infrastructure but
why is no one picking it up? What is happening?
I have thoughts okay. The I think
I'm not set in stone by the way this is not I'm just throwing it
out there as usual.
I think the reason why fountain come while the lightning
comments are showing activity is not because I think it's purely
because fountain gives monetary incentive for that to be the
case. So they pay they pay you for listening and comment and
boosting
I'm not so sure when it comes to the commenting but I have no
data
okay, that's that's my understanding of it and then on
the on the flip side my these are my these my initial first
thoughts I didn't know you're going in this direction so I
hadn't in my thought on the flip side is the reason people are
not commenting on on non lightning is because nobody
gives a crap about commenting generally speaking. And that is
ended the comments that we see about podcasts on thing things
like Apple podcast reviews, if you want to call those a comment
for the purpose of this discussion discussion are mostly
because people beg them to do it in the show. Hey, Gil gives it
gives a review. It helps
in I'm with you on that but I guess my point is, we have
people commenting on these comment threads that we put as
our because our base post in podcasting 2.0 I do it I know
agenda. There's lots of comments in there. They don't serve us on
any app. People are just on the mastodon commenting back and
forth. No one's even sucking that in and displaying it via
pod
versus. And pod friend. Those are the two apps currently pod
verse pod verse shows the cross app comments every show, you can
go and expand them on the on on the website and and in the app
to.
Okay, because I've really gotten into the pod verse app, so I'm
surprised that I that I didn't see that.
It's, I don't remember where it is
on it right here. I'm gonna see. Okay, so you don't ever get to
swiped or you got to swallow swipe.
Maybe you can swipe left or something.
That's if I don't like it.
Stop, stop. Okay. Chapter chapters, clips, comments. I
know where it is. I apologize. I apologize. Okay. Yeah. So that
so the obvious, yeah. Okay. So this is great. I like how it's
done. And like how it's implemented. I can't add to the
thread. So all it would take would be reply. Post, you know,
so it hasn't been? I mean, it leaves the pod verse app if you
tap on it. So that's something it takes it to the to the to the
core post. That's totally appreciated. We're so close yet.
We're not there.
Yeah, because it's hard.
I know. It's hard. I'm just just saying, okay, hold on. I'm in
prime and I'm impressed with POD verse overall. And I want to say
that I think it was a misunderstanding. It's a
technology early technology choice player issue is why pod
versus not doing per minute streaming SATs yet. James had
some questions about that. And I think that's in the works. It's
not it's not because Mitch has decided that's just a sheet
idea.
No, he's not he has not made that.
Oh, and I do have to give James props because he said something
very appropriate, which we do need to talk about briefly
because we're gonna talk about music as well. Okay. I agree
completely on legality. So if RSS blue or anyone else is
offering music uploads to be flagged as music in the podcast
index, and we hope you have an update on that. I agree that's a
very very dangerous thing to do see Spotify, who have just
opened up you know pirating of movies to their to their video
service. I mean, it's who would have thought that would happen.
And the better idea is, you know, SoundCloud, they already
their members are already screened and cleared and
there's, we know who has rights and registrations any existing
music service that knows how to do that is a better bet than,
you know, stepping into it. Just like, Oh, this is cool and doing
it because you're gonna get burned, you're probably gonna
get burned. It's just gonna suck for you. It's gonna be a lot of
work. Unless that's your business plan and then you know,
we will support you 100% But it's very is very, very
dangerous venture to do that.
I'll get questions about this. This is good, good discussion,
because where I'm at right now is I've got the downloader
working, that is downloading, it's slurping down. enclosures.
Yes. What's it called again? slurpy slurpy, right. Yes, I
love your names.
It is it is slurping down enclosures. It's apt to produce
like, get about 100 It's done like 180,000 so far. enclosures.
It's about a day and a half I mean a terabyte and a half of
them all down
it's actually downloading them all locally.
Yeah, yes. That's right. It's so it's going through the with the
latest weekly data, massive dump and downloading the last
enclosure of each podcast
Are you downloading the entire podcast universe? I don't
understand I just saying download everything.
Not entirely about half of the entire podcast universe. So
anchor is excluded because they don't allow music by policy.
Right? They only allow Top Gun and other brand new movies,
movies. Yeah, but don't pirate music.
Yeah. So they don't allow music. So we exclude them that takes
you know, half the index away almost on automatically. Not
half but about a third. The take away Librivox just it's and
other ones that are just like clearly they're not going to
have any music at all. So you take that all that away then you
also filter out anything that is just an arbitrary limit of two
hours or less is still I still alive I'm
kidding. You do that with a head with a head or get request or
something ahead request just to see the file length
now just looking at the duration because the duration duration of
course is in there you already have the duration to the
download to the massive dump
we aren't we already have that we already have the don't we
have duration data already for everything?
Yeah. Yep some of the older some of the really really early stuff
in duration is messed up it dumps
they call them dumps big massive dumps said so many times I had
to
Yeah, so as I was triggering you know
I was late actually
yes you were late so the the filtering out some of that stuff
and I don't remember how many it came back with but it's
downloading a mall is one at a time. Excuse me known to 2023 at
a time that's concurrent that's what Slurpees forest down
leaving give it a number of things to download how many you
want
we upgraded an extra $80 a month for for the head done that yet.
Oh, that's for actual business.
That's a real business or real podcast. This is just on my
local computers. Jim, aka Peter on doing this. This is not even
this is not on us. Oh good doing this from my house. How
big is your hard drive?
I've got it hooked up to a four terabyte drive. Okay, an
external drive. Nice, sweet. So then we scuzzy drive is not a
scuzzy drive with frozen garden hose is not that I
love that shit. Connect those were the clips.
With you remember? LVM it was the real thing when the No, it
was like scuzzy three I think I remember Apple talk. With
terminators, you have to use terminators,
no Terminator. No, no joy.
Yeah, the whole network goes down wouldn't work. So the it's
downloaded a bunch of stuff. It's downloaded. It's, it's
downloaded a ton. And then there's this Python script that
Alex has helped me tweak around on that will that actually does
the analysis that looks and tell and looks at whether or not this
is speech or music. Now, it's, it's not. It's not 100%? It's
not even close. But in and I'll tell you that the times that it
gets confused as when there's somebody with a bed of music
behind them,
right, that's where it falls apart. Sure. And
there's actually a lot of those where it'll be 45 minute episode
of somebody talking and there's a bed behind him the entire
time and PR. Yeah,
there's some of that. There's also, if the audio is crappy
enough. I think it gives us enough background
to make it sound like it's a song
to make the waveform look like is music? Yeah, yeah. Wow. It's
like I think it's just the background noise makes it look
like it's continuous ways.
No, this is what you need to remember Paul, you toy used to
tell us how sphinx was being used in the Philippines, they
will be used to train AI and machine learning. So that show,
you know, you'd get your show picture and say, Is there a dog
in this picture? Yes or no boom, you answer and then you get 10
sets. Next picture. So when you don't want to do that, yeah, we
have a version for that for this, like, Is this a real song?
Yes, no,
I want to do that, like, so what is doing is the python script is
running the analysis, using the GPU or the video card, running
the analysis. And then if it thinks that is, if it thinks is
there, there's an 80% or higher likelihood that it's music. It
we'll just create an empty file with the name of the podcast
index ID in a directory.
Okay, so then hold music, right? So then you can go in and
retrieve that,
right? So when it's all said and done, we should have a big long
list of, of all of the episodes of all of the podcast IDs that
it thinks are music, podcasts, then we can wrap that up into
some sort of, you know, script or something. And then we can
crowdsource it, to say to have people actually listen to it,
and say if it is indeed music, or just a false alarm. So the
out of 46,997 podcast that it has analyzed for. It thinks 804
of those are music podcasts.
So that's about 6%.
Is it? Is that what that is? No, I
have no idea. I'm just throwing that out there as you like to
sound convincing.
You did math.
I'm just throwing a number out. See if you had done the math.
No. Like holy crap. Let's see. Four divided by can't even
give you the stats, the dollar amount. I can think in dollars
most of the time.
Looks like this. Alright. 2% That's, that's pretty Yeah.
Okay, well 1.7% All
right. So what's the next step in the procedure once once
you've once Slurpee has done its job then what?
Well here here's an example and here's an example track so if
you go to podcast index ID you know 44955 And there's a little
bit I put a in the clips today if you got my clips I forgot.
Oh, yes. Thank you got an example tracking Oh, here we go.
Wow. Yeah. Sounds good. You know what that sounds like? Wow. Oh,
my wife. Yes, yes, yes. Oh, no, I gotta do it.
You love the wife I've had loved the
Hawaii Five o thing where's my Hawaii Five
Oh, you don't have it on a pad on the road test.
I'm bad I'm not that bad here
Okay, so that's that's a jam right there.
It is a found that on that is from that is on PodOmatic
hosting company and it is from 2013. So it's been there for
nine years and this is
why we should have done that properly. Yeah, that's the
crusher from Briana Roy.
53 second track. And there's three tracks on this podcast and
they're all of this. They're all like this. It's an EP. It is
it's an EP No,
no dynamite good find flip the bit make it music.
Brianna. We need to find Brianna give her a split. Yes. For him.
So I don't know where he got him. them they didn't they so so
here's the here's the kosher part. Like if they here's this
thing that's been out in the in the universe for nine years
publicly on the internet.
Yeah. How about
Yeah, right. There's, it seems to be just some original dubstep
something.
It's a jam. I'm like,
well, there's no iTunes owner tag. I have no idea how to get
in touch with Brianna. Rihanna, Roy. Have you know podcast rise
and who have not Google for Brianna.
Is there no link in the in the RSS feed? It just
links back to the PodOmatic page and doesn't link to a personal
side of anything. There's no podcast license tag
or Rihanna ROI YouTube. Oh, there you go. Let's see brand.
Let's see. Do you think that can't be the same? Brianna Roy,
you take LinkedIn
that's DeVore X jam and that's not me. Let's see. This. I don't
think this is the same Brianna Roy.
Does she do dubstep on Twitch?
Go good. I am that. That may be no I don't think so. Now.
Dubstep. Is
there any lyrics with that thing?
No. Okay, well,
she she's a singer.
Oh, boy. Don't maybe she upgraded. Doubt it.
So, so what will so here's the question Where what are we left
with with Brianna's tracks? Are they? If there's like what what
legal status? If we want to if we want to take this and drop it
in as in the show mix? What are what is that going to do? Like
what how does that work?
Right now we have no idea. We really couldn't do it because we
legally you can't do it because we have no idea who owns the
royalties rights, etc. If, if she would claim this and say
yep, this is mine. This is my feed. And I warrant that this is
my stuff. And here's my split. I would say at the one hour and
two or one hour and one minute mark, there would be a split
there which would send off a significant portion of the show
to Briana Roy's wallet. That's what I'm that's what I envision.
Yeah, like split in the chapter maybe?
Yeah, I mean, we haven't quite figured it out. But that's the
dream. Right now. We we need to find Brianna Roy. That's the
title right there. Show. Find.
Brianna. I'm
Brianna Roy. I'm making I'm doing it. That's hilarious. How
about or where is Brianna? Roy? Brianna? Okay, where's Brianna?
That's better. Good. I love a great title.
Yeah, so like I bet you there's tons of these.
Yeah. So I don't I don't know what to do about that. I don't
know what to do about it. Other than make it available as a
music track in in apps that wants to show that in? No case
the roster I guess. At least we have a nice base to start with.
There's also one is this one this is a wrote down
469-914-6991
And it's brianna is Brian A it's br A and A maybe it's Brian
Brian A Roy who knows.
This is another one there's a podcast. index.org/podcasts like
46991 Do I feel like this is an unless you want to that's
another just as another example of a music feed that that this
thing found. And that is from
what what was it? I'm sorry, what was the number again?
The podcast ID is 46991469 or
nine or one? LB keeps pop? I find myself having to log into
lb a lot.
Me too. Using a little
annoying a little a little much dude, I'm liking it. What is
this? Testing 2.0 2.0 Dynamite
because of that stuff,
so that yeah, lots of DJ mixes and stuff. Sure. You know, I
just had a meeting today with the owner of 100% retro and 100%
Retro is a streaming radio station from the Netherlands.
Belgium to be exact. And I'll play it for you. So they're 24/7
they have this guy's pretty he's hired Kim Wilde and all kinds of
legacy people to talk and it's basically let me say and they
have a whole that's what I was put you know, there's it's it's
retro it's a Dutch station. That's all English was. Its
international languages as the clock moves around the globe.
They get clever. Yeah. And so he's like, I want you I want to
be on the live stream today. Okay, send me some promos. You
know, so the The feed will be filled up with highs as Kim
Wilde, whatever, listen to my show, and then it'll be
continuously lit. That's a 24 hour stream. So and we'll flip
the music tag the medium tag to music. So when you're in a music
app and you're going through the album's you'll see 100% retro
and you'll click on it and you can listen live or listen to
whatever else they're going to put into that feed.
Oh, yeah, this has got Darren Oh, written all over it.
I totally. Oh, totally. Exactly.
Did you hear Todd on the new media show say that he had set
up an audio, and I'd
be willing to share it. I love that that was great.
Well, then it shouldn't there be in that scenario, should there
not be
a split, split?
Or split? Of course,
like I'm gonna pay, I'm gonna pay you a little bit in order to
you to rent your stream
for a little bit. Right. But I mean, that that can also just be
I mean, the simple sneakernet version is hey, man, let me use
your stream. And I'm going to put you in the value block for
the Live episode for the lit. Yeah. Totes. Totes McGoats I
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yeah, so I saw that the chimp the chimp lit thing was going
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Linda's koge. Martin is up to something there. Oh, man, but
does he have a whole guest another here this is this
complicated? What are you trying to something? Well,
international podcasting day apparently is on September 30.
And when we see is that I think that we've got all the pre the
pre show booths out of the way. Thank you all very much. You are
part of our very coveted VPM. And soon we'll learn more about
that. Yes. Thank you for being a
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was gross. I hate this stuff.
Now I know I really dig it. I'm very excited. I'm very excited
to learn just learning more. And now obviously, I see that it
could be that people come together and say, Hey, we like
this rule or the here's our whitelist or here's our
blacklist, and they put all together in open fashion. And
they come up with something that, you know, that works for
their system.
I don't you know, I don't like the math. I don't like the math
behind it. It's not just that I don't like math. It's that I
think the math is is inherently flawed because the bigger so,
you know, we talked about this with the podcast consultants who
say okay, well, you have this many downloads. And here's the
current CPM rate. And if you increase your downloads by this
and your engagement percentage by this, and here's the formula,
and this is how much money you're gonna make. And that's,
that's a complete BS, play it because in this is what's in my
opinion, in my opinion, this is what is going to happen with
programmatic. The more by its very nature of supply and demand
by economic law, the more people who enable programmatic the
lower the rates are gonna get absolutely
no, no, go ahead. Go ahead. I have something to add to that in
a minute.
Okay, it's as you if there's 5000 podcasters right now who
hasn't programmatic turned down? If two years from now there's
200,000 that have it turned on your rates are gonna go through
the floor? Kinda everybody's gonna make less money Yeah. Now
bill rates are gonna go down the down the crapper, everything is
gonna, it's gonna fall apart.
I don't know. I think the fill rates are pretty open as it was.
It was really odd because both pod land pod line does mid rolls
from Buzzsprout. And blueberry. They were they with who does
blueberry have doing their their dynamic ad insertion?
Sound stack? Does that sound right?
I think I wrote it down here. Yes. Sounds good. Yeah, there's
sound stack and advertised cast. Those are kind of the two
players I believe. So now I've been receiving whenever I
started the new media show an ad for nice and ice.com. Not quite
sure what they do is not appropriate for me. It's okay,
they're short. Now, they're really kind of non intrusive.
They're almost like very short radio ads, which is kind of the
problem that I had with it. Because the one that I got today
as I was listening was for a promotion for hepatitis C
vaccination. Oh. Which, which, by the way, you know, that's
foreign. My money. That's pretty good. I mean, that's that's
impressive. That's that that's advertising out there. But it
took me to a place that I wasn't prepared for. I was ready for
laughter known to lie. Taught and wrote morning, in the
afternoon, then and I got to know, are you? Are you seething
with hepatitis C?
Bones coming out of your nose?
No, of course you don't, because you're gonna get vaccinated with
his Hep C vaccine. So it was just jarring. That's all.
But I, what I was going to add to this as we I received our
podcast evaluation for no agenda.
Oh, pencast broker for the sale. Your pocket.com?
Yes, yes. What was the wait?
Can you share it?
I'm going to absolutely.
I'm all ears. I'm on my toes. So
podcasts broker.com I really liked this concept. You can say,
hey, I'm tired. And believe me. DeVore. I've mentioned these
numbers on no agendas at work. And I retired. Yeah, we're
tired, man. Should we punch out? Yeah, we can sell this thing.
Really? Yeah. Apparently we can. Now the podcast broker gives us
an honest evaluation. And you know, that still has to put it
out in the market. But I think the podcast broker would
hopefully already have an idea of potential buyers. Maybe not.
It's an IPO. It's an it's an initial podcast offering.
Well, in a way, except the except then the host don't get
sold with the show.
Yeah, y'all have to get out. You have to leave. That's the
point. So and they don't want you this. What's your domain
names your catalog, you know, all this stuff, everything. Now,
besides that being I think pretty much impossible because
we don't own anything. All the stuff was done by producers of
the show. Yeah, and that we probably never would. But it was
fun to find out. But not for this money. So we I gave them
some honest but general numbers. And the net present value at
sale, do you want to guess the no agenda show what that would
be worth to someone who's going to buy that? Without us?
Just the nature of what this thing is? I'm gonna say that
it's going to be something absurdly low. And I'm gonna say
I'm gonna go 150 grand. Oh, no, no.
No, no, no, no, no. 15 years, man, almost 1500 shows now
$1,846,611. Which is not enough for us to give it up, obviously.
But here's what's interesting. So they say no, and it's a very
short note. It's nice, it's formatted. But then it says on
the right on the same page, it says potential annual
programmatic ad revenue.
Wait, you get a residual?
No, I think that this is how they would sell it is like this
show with this audience has a, a potential annual programmatic ad
revenue number. So again, the net present value, if we sell
it, if someone would buy it is 1.8 million 1.85. Roughly, the
potential annual programmatic ad revenue should you buy this
fantastic property without the host? Or more importantly, and I
think that was the message. Hey, why would you sell your podcast
when we can get you this money? In programmatic ad revenue? The
number Oh,
good. Okay. Now this makes sense. The
number is $2.4 million. Well, there you go. I mean, before I
get a value for value, stick it up your butt. We'll take the two
and a half million bucks.
Yeah, I mean, all you got to do is drop some Pepsi.
Pepsi, you're a millionaire. You can move to Beverly.
Yeah, you change nothing about your show. Except every every
once in a while. You just say Hey, is anybody Hey, John, have
you taking your hypsi? Yeah, yeah, did Dad um, it was great.
Man. It made it made me feel all tingly. And I thought oh, they
got all freaked out. But then I thought you know what, this is
kind of chill.
The sad thing is both of us are very capable of doing that. We
have done it before. We're very, very capable of it. Not a
problem. So that was
I see this. I see this now. Which I don't I still don't
understand this whole, like, so. So the real for most people.
It's not about selling your podcast. It's about it's about
oh, hey, you can get more money through programmatic ads. But if
you got offered 1.8 million for a podcast where the host aren't
there anymore. I don't understand. And this doesn't
make any sense. All I was thinking was house podcast, the
host or the
show. I was thinking if I just kill off Dvorak, you know, the
show has to end anyway. Boom. 1.8 mil for me, baby.
Yes, right. You don't have to share that at all.
No. Screw that.
I know I don't, I just don't understand when
I actually think about he might kill me off. I
gotta be careful. The funny thing would be is if somebody
whoever buys no agenda, they're gonna get in there and be like,
Oh, okay, Jim, contact us no agenda shop.com. Guys, let's
check out that contract. See what it looks like. There's no
contracts or
what? Yeah, actually, that's funny. You mentioned that. For
the 15th anniversary, what I want to do is have a list of all
the stuff that has been done by no agenda that has nothing to do
with us. But all the you know, how many T shirts have been
sold, how many artists got paid for that? How many meetups were
there? You know, all there's so many cool metrics that we have
no idea about.
You can imagine somebody doing the same thing with you by
podcasting 2.0 show, and it's like, contact the OP three dot
dev team, and let's get them in here for voice like,
get them in here for a code review. So code reviews,
you know, they they're their own thing, right? There's a what?
Well, so that's one other important thing I want to say.
Because it's, and I was gonna do a clip, because it was but then
again, it was about a cast laying off, you know, 70 people,
or 15% of its staff.
That said, it said, I don't want that to happen. No, of course,
it's
sad. But I do want to remind everybody, this is exactly what
I predicted this is going to happen. Because for all of the
billion dollars that is floating around podcasting, not a single
one of these companies, except I guess parliamo, maybe that may
be a different deal. But apparently, none of them are
able to make profit. And a cast is public, which makes it even
more. So it's unrelenting. If you're and I've run a public
company, I've run companies with 700 employees. And it sounds
really harsh. And that was the worst part of of the job. And in
this case, it was and it's very similar, I think, with
advertising. Because we were in advertising, we lost the client
or the client, cut their budget. Well, there's a team. And
depending on what you can do can move someone to other teams, can
you replace him with a new client, which is usually the
first thing you try to do you always have a pipeline, but it's
not a team has to go that's that's the nature of the
business and the advertising businesses the same? Whether
you're in print advertising, or podcast advertising money on all
sides of the equation. Yes. But I just want to remind everybody,
the core problem is the central bank rates. This is the core
problem for most people who if you're now in your 30s Butoh,
no, it was like before free money, the free money came after
the financial crash, which is how they didn't fix anything.
But how they made it groovy for everybody is the investors could
literally banks could literally get money for free and invest it
anywhere and go for growth, young man go for growth. And now
that's over. And I know how hard it is to actually make money in
the advertising game with podcast unless you compromise to
the degree that you're a making podcast for the advertiser and
then supporting that with ads around your network. That's
typically what happens happened to me. He's no shame in it, but
it's annoying. Or the reason why I left my own company was I felt
like I was building NASCAR's with great drivers, except here
came the commercial guys. And they put stickers all over the
windshield, so my driver couldn't drive. Could you see
and couldn't see out the windshield. And I quit. It was
just it wasn't fun anymore. It was not funny. No, no BMW,
though. Oh, they heard something on this podcast and Maj.
Weinstein says something wasn't even advertised on that podcast,
but as part of the network, I mean, it's a never ending,
Nightmare nightmare. They want to be in control. They want to
know exactly what's happening. The ones that aren't are going
to be you know, you're just not going to have enough of them at
the low prices. They will actually settle for I mean,
there's, I think I sent you a link there's companies who are
buying up rendement advertising already and giving out great
deals to people just you know, like Ricketts is a typical
advertiser. I think they do. They own lots of small fast
moving consumer goods. Like allergy stuff Zyrtec might be
there's Yeah, we're so products. You know they'll they'll buy
remnant inventory just blanket the landscape. But you know, you
got to think what you're doing when I when I put into the mood
for my afternoon delight with A little bit of hep C jarring man,
I gotta I gotta be honest about I'm okay. I'm not hurt, but it
was jarring.
Yeah. You know, I don't think the time to get out. If you were
gonna get it. Do you think this is fair? In the podcasting
industrial complex? The time to get out with an exit was
probably a year ago or two years ago. Yeah,
well, you trigger something with me. Because when Joe was Pete
getting out, really that also started a lot of other things.
No agenda is completely inappropriate for no agenda is
always going to be what it is until we're no more and then
we'll see what happens.
It's like Rush without no part. It's just not gonna happen.
Right? Exactly, exactly. When I hear that Spotify has now so
they do music, they've expanded to audiobooks for which they
have oh, the prices are high. Well, they have prices. I have
to say, you know, I saw this right away when they launched
podcasting, when you go to put your, your work, your love your
value, your your heart and soul, your emotion, your laughter,
whatever it is, you're putting that into a podcast, and you're
going to sign up with Spotify. And you literally take the box
and give them the rights to everything and they pay you
nothing. What is wrong with you people look at what they're
doing with other types of content. Why do you consider
yourself to be less?
Yeah, it's crazy. That's what it sounds as Spotify doing anything
for for podcasts? Are there any advertising deals? Can you sign
up and get ad money from them? I don't think
they own megaphone.
Okay.
Now, I think they bought them maybe last All right earlier
this one? Man, I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. But I
think no, but I think you're right I mean think engine in
general. Taking your content and making money off of it and you
get that goes back to the CPM thing. Why did my paper but the
CPM thing, that CPM rate that 20 You know, whatever it said on
there, like three, five and $12 for a programmatic? Five and
$12. That's five and $12 total, that you only get 70% of that?
Oh, yeah. Oh, there's
that? Yeah. Yeah,
yeah, it goes to the, to the agency. So like, I mean, that's
that $5 CPM, currently, which may be $2, in five years. I
mean, 1000, downloads gets you, you know, dollar, but whatever,
you know, 70% of five bucks is, you know, 350, or whatever. You
think that's not great.
I love the vulture article in I guess that's part of New York
Magazine.
I haven't read that yet.
It's very long. It is fantastic. Because it shows you it
describes to a tee, the podcast industrial complex 100%, and how
the people inside of it think. And it's it's all hits, it's all
hits driven. Oh, you know, we'd haven't had a hit like cereal
for years. You know, it's like podcasting is just radio. Now.
It's been ages since the last blockbuster narrative show. What
does that mean for the medium as an art form? And what they're
stuck in the the author, and a lot of the people reference here
is the idea that, that you have to have a hit that everyone's
talking about. But you don't you could this this show right here
is a hit. It's a hit in our industry. No one knows about it.
You can get it on Spotify or Apple podcast. I know someone
did upload it. You can't get it. On pirated us there. And that's
interesting. We don't care. It's all about No, all the numbers
are down. It's only 30,000. Now I like to care if you like and I
really liked this podcast where the where the crawdads sing but
but there's not enough people listening to it. Who cares? Did
you like it?
Were the curl deaths?
It was it was there was something? This is the Alex
Bloomberg co founder of gimlet media, the ones golden child
with a podcast business that was sold to Spotify in 2019. What
does he say here? Oh, yeah. So in other words, immediate
business. I was asking him is this all going to end up shaking
out like radio? In other words, immediate business that mostly
revolves around high profile Talking Heads Rush Limbaugh,
Howard Stern, Joe Rogan, Alex Cooper. The trio Will Arnett
Jason Bateman and Sean Hayes, who reportedly signed a deal
with Amazon worth as much as $80 million for it's all whole
circle jerk. And they even say, you know, we've built Hollywood
but you know, there's no content is no hits. And and it's the
exact same problem is what you said about programmatic ads,
there's a lot of podcasts, and they each have their own little
audience and they have their own value structure and their own
value chain, and they're gonna be just fine. They will get
exactly out of it what they deserve. And that's and that's
the future that is the media, you beef initiative, Texas slim
as a podcast, it's really important for you know, hundreds
of people maybe 1000 That's it to them that and that's
beautiful, and there's money flowing and there's rancher
selling beef and people feeling good and they're getting ended,
the whole thing is, is is organized around a podcast
that's the future that's the future of media we're living
right now this this idea of you have to have the be number one
on the chart. It's It's ludicrous, you will lose only
two people when and one of them was always Beyonce.
You know, you know, this, this podcasting 2.0 in Apple podcasts
that how we've been put in there. You changed the live
image
today, so that it did I just wanted you in the push
notification. Again, I got I got a push notification.
Okay, so this is going to be in you have inadvertently done an
experiment, because we don't know how this podcasting 2.0
Running with Scissors art got into Apple podcasts. Because
that that art only shows up in two places in the feed. It shows
up in the live item image tag in one episode, probably. And no,
it shows up in every other episode, but only as part of the
images tagged the podcast colon images tag, Oh, interesting. So
that means the apple podcasts directory, their aggregator is
either running through the feed and looking and finding the
first image it in hitting the first iTunes colon image it can
find in grabbing that irrespective of XML structure,
which would pick it up from the live item, or it's interpreting
the podcast colon images namespace tag. Well, I guess the
third option less likely is ix. It's interpreting the podcast
live item tag, which I doubt but who you know who knows what
they're doing internally. So this is going to be interesting
because if the image that you changed in the live item becomes
the apple Podcast Directory image for us, we will know that
they're picking it up from the live item. It doesn't, I'll get
I'll give you another scenario. Here's what I think happened.
Okay, so you can so this image is just an episode image and I
put the one of Phoebe in there with the value for value logo
around her neck, which was done by
Mark Don, thank you very much very funny. She got a little
booties on.
So I didn't sync that with the channel image. So it shows up in
the notification shows up if you're playing the Live episode,
the lit episode. It's possible that I that I synced the running
with scissors image at one point during an episode just I think I
did I recall syncing it one. So it was the the logo. And Apple
has a very stringent Rule No 2000 by 2000 Minimum image,
you're not going to show up as an image. I'm pretty sure that I
never bothered to make our channel image 2000 by 2000
pixels. So it must have picked up that one that was the channel
image it is 2000 by 2000 I believe or bore larger. And so
anything else has come since then it has it's just rejected
it they won't change it. This is years of experience talking.
Yeah, I have to say sometimes I don't sync the channel image or
I or I screw it up and I put the wrong image that isn't the 2000
by 2001 into the no agenda feed. And Ted horseman always emails
me man. I love that guy. Hey, man fix should fix your image
2000 That's easy. I
really tried to not mess that up there and
to see how big this one is. This one was not your right. It's 530
for about 504
Our current one. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Dang it. I thought I thought we may have uncovered a secret tag
use with a secret podcasting namespace tag with an Apple
ID doubt it. I'm sorry. Hey, should we thank some people
here, Dave, who have been supporting us so nicely and
we're moving up on a buck 35 So we probably want to let people
know the doughnuts are a little stale at this point.
Cold coffee doesn't bother me. I'm alright. Yeah, sure. Wait,
let's do. Let's do some safehouse first, we get big
week. Big paper week. We got Marco. Oh, $500. Every month he
gets a big baller for that. Shot Carla 20 his blade
on? I am Paula, thank you very much for our VPM increase.
Yes. And I've got to contact him. I gotta contact him this
week and ask if he needs the episode, the mimic the iTunes
API mimic stuff. Let him know that that stuff was live. So you
can use it as a fallback. And I need to contact him again to see
if he needs the episode lookup. Okay, because that's part that's
another one but it's going to be a lot more complicated. If he
doesn't need it. I'm not going to do it. Okay. Buzzsprout rally
dollars.
Play on am Paula. Big month. Nice. Thank you, everybody.
I sent I sent Tom and Kevin a couple of our units or even in
the index bro T shirts on my own. Oh, cool. I just
got to order mine. I love those. Those are so so awesome.
I wore mine at the at the
Podcast Movement. Yeah. Did you get any comments on it?
Yeah, yeah. From Tom and Kevin there was like on the way man on
the way you couldn't
you should expense that to the index when you don't have to pay
for that.
That's fine. Now let's gates he gave us $100 As a one time I
appreciate that. That's very nice.
Yeah, very, very kind of of Alex and appreciate dearly to help
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setting last you know and I just gotta mention again I'm finding
that I have to re authenticate the LV wallet a lot everywhere
including pod verse a lot sometimes between shows where I
come back to a show and it's gone some some
local storage on that or some cookies or something
going on with it I mean it's like I go to podcast index every
single time you go to podcast index after a while then then
the lb window pops up
yeah the needle look at that and part of it
it's good part of it is just not
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donating sets to the getting divorce back on board find love
and lit
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one? What do you say is
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I'm sorry. Where you need what his note again?
Oh, he's donating 6969 to they get divorce back on board fund.
Oh okay, here we go. Citizen 6969.
Loving lit 500 SATs. See that's not that's anonymous. Oh, here
we go. 5552 three Satoshis dot stream. Any just has a smiley
face emoji. Thank you Satoshi straw.
Thank you. Appreciate that.
Now they've
upgraded right Satoshi Steve's streams on has a new interface
outside of outside of
telegram is it live yet? Because I don't think it is.
Okay. Well, we're ready. Then you want we should get those
guys on?
Yeah, we will if they will, you know it's not it's it's an
anonymous collective.
Okay, no problem. The people over in Australia thought about
this.
Hi, I'm from Satoshi streams. Anonymous collective but we
really like that's all that's all it takes getting old.
WDS 20,011 SATs David OS is from arsonists blue. And he says love
Dragon Ball Z so really enjoyed the episode with Kyle glad just
include my name in the boost message you either way go
podcasting WDS from RSA.
What's it gonna say? Oh, was it was it chyron who ended his
value for Value series two.
And with a million splits with 24
splits and they all worked. That's fantastic. Like, does it
also work on the on the streaming sites and by the time
you get done doing 24 payments, your next payment is almost do
is queued up. It's ready to go. Yeah, it's just it's gonna
that's what makes it current. That's why your phone is hot in
your pocket. is because of
this. Yeah,
definitely. Reason why.
Brian of London and hive Dao re won 104,269 sets.
Oh, I think we got a baller for that Oh, shot caller 20 is
blades on I am Paula
says ketchup donation because last week I was in Amsterdam for
high fest where everybody knows the name of Adam curry.
Yeah, they,
man I've had so many people, including the organization asked
me to come speak at Bitcoin Amsterdam. What I'm missing is
someone saying here's a ticket.
That's a problem.
And this is what I realized with a lot of these are all
conferences, of course, but the Bitcoin Conference, I think to a
degree the podcasting conference and you know, these things
should change a little bit. Because what happens is you get
so many people who are in the business one way or the other
consultants, etc, that it's their business, that they you
know, they are either having an expense account or they're there
for their business. but then they asked all these speakers to
come over for free and spend your own money like I don't even
know if this helps podcasting 2.0 anymore I mean it's like
well I mean when it was all said and done it's about what's it
going to be for us about fifth 1500 bucks 2000 For what for
that for both of us to go to Podcast Movement and spend the
days there and just gas money and everything.
I didn't calculate gas money but it was like it was like two
grand for our hotels and our meals that we charged to the
hotel
which was not much I mean, it was
you know 100 I was too busy getting dollars a gas for me to
get there and back.
Yeah, I don't I don't know what I spent on that. There was other
stuff is not insignificant. Now but even fly to Amsterdam.
That's your ticket is two grand. Go. Yeah,
yeah. And of course I require business
class.
Here it is required. Do
one for me one for my lovely wife. And a car I'd like $5,000
in a brown paper bag for our limo 24 hour limo security
detail
and all the green m&ms You know a brother 2222 Road ducks
through laferla CMA says I will catch up with bigger booster
gram in the near future. No I'm thinking of fountains
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see Oh, no. The one from last me says hi again. International
podcast. They use the right name of the event on September 30.
Okay, Dave Lee sorry for the misspelling. I wonder if I have
the ducks in a row next Friday. Best primis Mark Linda Scott.
And we got the delimiter
calm and blogger Yes.
15,033 says he says howdy David Adam. Firstly, with marijuana on
top. Please don't carry water for Vlad the enseigner as he's
unelected dictator for 22 years. Secondly, and lastly, Geller
invited to our pod about artificial intelligence magic
called AI dot cooking, narrated by Gregory William Forsythe
Foreman from Kent in UK, just type in your web browser or pod
catcher, AI dot cooking.
Yo, thank you comic strip blogger. And I love comics for
bloggers weekly contribution for a number of reasons when we have
the delimiter. We know it's the end of the donation segment
because he always posts when he thinks it is time. And he posts
that he has posted and he always posted all the splits were were
successful. And so that way I know. All the nodes are working.
I don't have to it's really it's true. It's a great service.
There's at least one one morning a week, I don't have to worry
about the nodes running. Now
it it's not actually him posting though it's aI at this point,
right.
Comics, your blogger is i What are you talking about?
Yeah, that's true. So
I don't know if we carried water for Putin. But I'll certainly
won't mention anything positive about Putin, if you start using
the term pod. Very good. In a general observation from a
native English speaker, it's just a general observation. You
do as you do, boo. When you post feedback publicly to an app
developer, and you say, Hey, what's going on with your app?
The app? I for some reason, I want to strangle you. Is that
just me?
Noise if you strangled CSB, I will help you.
Whenever he's it's always like, why isn't your appy app in the
App Store?
Hey, yeah, I think I understand where he is. Let me
not his intent. I know it's never his intent to insult.
Now this this, this is, this is the apps I'm 100% sure that this
is the reason he does that is because he's trying to make it
distinct from a web app. So he's saying this, actually. No, I
like that. Yes. Yes. Yeah. Let's see he CSB die. He died like six
years ago. This is all AI so the AI is just doing the best it
can.
Down in Georgia. Ai stands for salt melts. artificial
insemination is what it stands for down there.
It's basically saying thank you. Thank
you comics for Blogger. Just just constructive feedback. Just
let you know something I can come across as a little weird
yes without that native app
yeah but now that I'm I'm registered here at pod was that
pod kowski podcast podcast, podcast podcasting dot info go
learn more about your wonderful language
you're gonna you know run through that big playlist of
Polish podcast apps
how much it's a Swati these days I wonder if that equals one's
Lottie you don't as Lottie is it Poland doesn't have the Euro
they have this Lottie still
this Lottie that's that's like a that's like their version of the
dirty Jersey horror.
Totally hear this Lahti the official currency and legal
tender of Poland. Let's see what is the current exchange? I
always like to talk I always like zloty and I thought they
were always super smart for not going with the euro.
So they maintain their own currency. Yeah, they didn't get
into the economic union.
No, wow, I'm good for them. I don't know. There'll be the
monetary union the probably monetary
economic union. Yeah. Monetary. That's Polish loss. Right.
Yeah. Okay, now we should do digital zlotys.
It just sounds cool. But just hey, man, how many losses you
pay for that slave?
Is it a pretty coin or is it ugly? I
mean, it's Polish. Polish looks.
The South African Kruger is a beautiful coin. The
Krueger Krueger? Krueger? Yes. We all have a gold Krugerrand
somewhere.
Oh yeah. Yeah, that's beautiful. As as is the Australian
kookaburra. That is also a very beautiful gold coin. Yes. Face
to have a couple of monthly donors
before you before you do that have a couple of lives that came
in 5000 from the east side, Tony, thank you guys for all the
hard work. You all inspired me to start the defend the network
podcast, high school podcast, podcast, and Dred Scott comes in
with so many ones. I'm just gonna call it a forest of bamboo
1111116 ones or 111,111 SATs live boost boot and he wants a
boot boot. You got it
Drib hope you're feeling better brother. Hate that you're down
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Thank you.
Thank you James. Very nice and I'll add Chad F with 33,333
attended, attended my first Bitcoin meetup last night good
times were had and I'm trying to spread the world of podcasting
2.0 also the host was at bit block boom and said he really
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can Can I just say that? You know, John DeVore X an improved
understanding of Southern accents. It's very nice to have.
It's gonna get a beat up someday is what's gonna happen.
It's us. It's totally says, By the way, the goose that accent
of the get he was the director of the place you were at down in
Georgia.
Oh, will Harris. Yeah,
that accent that's not a Georgia accent. That That's incorrect.
That's just an old South accent that if you if you transport
yourself back to eight, you know 1840 You're gonna hear that all
over. You're gonna hit South Carolina, Mississippi
everywhere. That's not a Georgia he
was born. He's fourth generation on that ranch.
Yeah, that's old. That's old south. Yeah. And you usually
hear that either in in old southern families who have money
or have been in politics.
Well, he goes That's interesting. So that that's yes.
I can see that he that he's very polite.
Very polite if you want to hear John Denson has very similar
he's a longtime Alabama Alabama lawyer in Montgomery which is
the capital city that's that's usually where you hear that is
by storied his history to families of the South. I love
when you know to you attended the whole conference as well.
And so it was okay I'm gonna have dinner and then he piped up
and said just so you know. Down here we call it Sapa. Message
receives, we call it sub. Alright,
I got a bunch more stuff but we need to punt. I gotta head back
to work.
Oh, that's right. The summer the summer of Friday. The summer
tropical schedule is over. It's no more.
Yes, it is. That's right. Yeah. Beautiful. Next week we'll talk
about phase six next week because we get we need to
discuss that.
Oh, hot namespace talk next week was promo little promo,
everybody. Ooh, nice. Now
it's time for some hot namespace
next week. Next week, join us
appropriate because I had a I had a phone call with Dame
Jennifer this week. And we did a little hackathon. Oh,
it was also available next week is going to be the board meeting
of all board meetings. I hope everyone has enjoyed. Dave Have
a great weekend, brother. You too, bro. And everybody in the
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