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and gentlemen, Mr. Dave Jones, you always fulfill my wishes,
sweetheart.
And right off the bat, we're back where we left off.
At the International podcast, epi International, maybe your
numbers are right, and maybe they're not Puckett
who,
who determines this to be international podcast day? I
don't understand. I mean, I wouldn't international podcast
community. I was not consulted on this. So I don't know. I've
never really observed it. I'm a non observing podcast. Did you
see Jordan? Jordan? Seeker last names and Blair. So Ben Jordan,
Jordan Blair.
She's one of the
one of the hosts of the Bosque broadcast. Yeah, Busquets. Yeah,
Jordan Blair. She tweeted the. She was so excited for
international podcast day because she wanted to, I wanted
you to land on we wanted Adam curry to land on a roof and give
her presents or something.
Oh, oh, all right. I like I liked the idea, actually. Oh,
little girl.
Let me see what I have in my sack.
She said I'll be hanging up stockings tonight and hosted
Adam curry fills them with audio gear. Oh, goodness.
Okay. All right. So what does it signify the start of podcasting?
Is there something? Is there a date? Like something was born on
this date? Do you know I mean, I just seems like, that's been a
thing. I don't know if I had to guess what it's about somehow.
It's about somebody making money.
You Yes.
Yeah, that's a wild guess. I mean, that never happens. That's
just a wild guess where?
Well, I'm glad he's making money somewhere. I guess we should
just talk briefly about the Bloomberg article and the oh my
god, there's gambling going on there.
I'm shocked. I'm very shocked. You got my clips, right? Yes, I
do have your clip. Oh, do you Oh, you have clips about this?
Oh, this, this in particular, but just about, about, about
other things that are tangential to this. Okay, so So let me
start with just a little background Bloomberg
reported an article a reported an article that I Heart Radio in
particular, but it appears that there's some others who have
done it, we're buying downloads from mobile app games, where the
person would, you know, tap on an in game item that they would
get a you know, a sword or a cape or something exciting, or,
you know, maybe some, some, some other kind of virtual money,
whatever. And they'd have to listen to 20 seconds of a
podcast would point over a minute, a minute or more have
been downloaded, which and this is the the true amazing part of
it, which according to the International Advertising Bureau
standards is constitutes a full download, which is fascinating.
But they were doing this to the tune of 6 million a month about
$10 million since 2018. Up until today, and the way the industry
kind of responded was well, you know, it's it's valid. It's it's
how it works. This is we all agree IAB says it's okay. And I
am and I want to relate my own personal experience to this.
Because it's,
you know, you've never done something like this, but you've
been affiliated with something like this.
Here's how it goes in Silicon Valley.
And I know this firsthand,
particularly with startups. And it doesn't matter if it's a
podcast if it's video that you're that you're have
advertisers watching doesn't matter if it's clicks if it's
signups registrations, anything you can think of anything you
need people for, there are companies who have these games.
The one I know about specifically at the time was
called monopoly. That was just the name of the company. I don't
know if that was the full company name, whatever. But you
know, companies like this and so the base has bold, that's a bold
name for your company.
Thank you, but maybe that's just
How they were listed in the special index.
And they will come to CEOs or CFOs and say, hey, you know, if
you need some traffic or something, you know, you need
some signups for the end of the month you got the quarter coming
up, you got to show your board, you have a board meeting, you
have a funding event, you need to show a chart.
You know, you've got this money, so why don't you pay us $100,000
And, and you know, that will result in $110,000 of revenue.
Because we will, we will charge you less than you're getting
from the advertisers. And they have to end these games. That's
their workforce. You know, remember, we talked about
Sphinx, where they have people in
the Philippines, Philippines, who are you know, teaching AI is
like, Okay, is there a man in this picture? This CC, you know,
this closed circuit camera? Yes, yes. No, no, no. So teaching it,
the same people are saying, oh, okay, I have to listen to this
podcast now that now they're getting, they're not actually
playing a game. This is this is the part that I think Bloomberg
missed. These games are not games to play, like, Oh, my God,
the game is to get as much money out of the monopoly company.
Because they're paying their people it goes down the line.
And this is rampant throughout the industry. It started way
back when with clicks, and and page views, all of this. And
it's real people doing it distributed all around the
world. And I'll just add to that.
When, when you take a company public,
people will come to you who say, Hey, I'm a consultant. And I'm a
consultant in your business. And I would like to have warrants of
your stock. Now warrant is like a stock. But it's a it's a
particular kind of stock, it has restrictions, but you can sell
it once the stock price reaches a certain price with and that
you can sell that kind of as an insider deals. That's what all
the venture capital guys, they want a lot of warrants. That's
that's where the, that's where the big bonus money is. And they
will say, hey, you know what? Your stock is? $5. Right now,
when it hits 12, then our warrants will, then our warrants
are good. Oh, that's great. What are you going to do? We're going
to promote your promote your company, we're going to talk to
people and we get them interested in the stock. And of
course, what they actually do is it's a group of guys, and
they're all They're trading the stock back and forth amongst
each other. They trade the price up until it hits the price
point. They cash in there, their warrants. But but you're also
happy because your shareholders are happy, your employees are
happy, everybody's happy. And it's completely legal.
So that's the same that has been going on. And I would say with
and in this case, it looks like I heart. And this is this is the
best part because we were just talking about loops, not lists.
So all of these Rancors are basically gamed. Yeah, that's
like, and it makes sense. Okay, you and everyone agrees with us,
okay, you know, I heart they, they spend the money, they get
the views, they're top of the list. I mean, that's their
prerogative, it's their money. It's like, Does anyone see the
yumminess? And all this?
So you're saying, if I understand the way you're
describing this, right, you're saying that there are, let's
just say their games on,
like free to play type games on the App Stores, the mobile app
stores? That the, the 90% of the reason they exist? Is for is as
cover for this thing? Correct? And so that, so that you can, it
is a valid game. It's sure a valid thing that helps this and
maybe some real people play it, but but its real purpose is for
engineering, advertising numbers, correct. Or any type of
numbers, any type of ranking, any type of action that needs to
be that is repetitive. And bonus. Sometimes the game is a
hit just because of the game. Right? Yeah, that can be your
bonus. But meanwhile, you make a game.
You know? Yeah, it's got to be a free to play game.
And I am and there's there's from the App Store standpoint,
there's nothing that triggers there's no
shenanigans. Oh, well, that's me. That's the amazing thing is
I've listened to different people.
You know, new media show and the one you were on, it was in the
pod, last pod land and pod news. I read around and you know, the
basic consensus is, oh, you know, I mean, I know it seems
weird, but you know, some people might actually be listening to
those to those 20s. They might listen longer, they might
subscribe. You know, clearly advertising works because you
know, people keep doing it. And they must be getting an ROI. The
joke in advertising is I know that half of my advertising is
working. I just don't know which half that's the job.
So and you know, it's not all attributable it's not all you
can't really track your ROI to where it's coming from. In
general, it's you know, it's very hard. It's it's
you know, IAB says, you know that I mean, I don't understand
how that can be a valid download if it's one minute of audio.
Well, we talked about it last it was either last week or the week
before we talked about and get that A B. In Geo. Todd was
saying, there's some people who are hostile to IB and I'm like,
You know what, from our standpoint, we don't truly care
about that kind of thing, because that advertising is not
our game. But it but it is, this is good. This is a really clear
indication of how
how inaccurate and just wild west that whole thing is to put
us sort of the IB. The way I see the IB is not necessarily with
contempt, it's just with irrelevancy, because, like I'm
I'm sorry if there's any irritation that I have with the
IB is that they charge people $50,000 To put a veil of
legitimacy over a thing that's completely This is not new I
mean, you calm was at comScore, you had to subscribe to really
participate in their bid list. If you're if you've got money,
there's people are going to take it away from you for this very
reason in this
all the time all the time. But you know, but here's here's,
here's something with this knowledge now just like oh, no,
okay. Yeah, like, oh, boy, surprise. And, you know,
there's, there's some indication that Bloomberg themselves might
have been doing this. But everyone does it. Yeah. And you
have to understand it's like with all the unicorns I
guarantee you that
every single company has employed these at some point
where you need a boost or your your, your your curve on your
your spend sometimes it's just you're not spending enough. What
are you spending on? Oh, look at this at the marketing you know,
the bill comes literally like, like webcam porn bill on your
credit card, you know, marketing service. Like it Yeah.
This got some clips. This may tie into a little bit of with
marketing and advertising stuff. This was bought. So Goldman
Sachs, they had their big conference. Recently, last
couple of weeks, I think
was two weeks ago, I think two weeks ago. It's like calm
calm aversion. I forget what they called us things something
goofy. But they were just interviews with Bob back ish
from CBS
about he talked a lot about their about streaming services
and about it was it
was the name of their Paramount plus their offering and all this
kind of stuff. We had a couple of things to say about
advertising. If you want to hit clip one this is because sort of
his his his thoughts about what's going on with advertising
now and soon. I'm not saying the world is as it was in history.
But the notion of 23 is doom and gloom, which is out there. I
think it's overplayed. So that's what I mean by the ad market
weaknesses overplayed? Certainly for us, we're seeing a positive
trend line in the year, Q will choose better than q1. q3 is
better than q2 and q4 will be better than q3. Hmm.
Yeah. So, but Okay, so why do you think
in the television streaming, advertising business?
What could it be? That is going to cause him to be so confident?
He's, he's confident his q3 numbers and that he's going to
be very confident in q4? What I mean, what do you think's going
on here in, in in television advertising? I have no clue. I
mean, and I don't know, maybe television advertising is doing
great. It seems to me like everyone's cutting budgets. I
don't know how he's gonna answer it. Initially, yes. And clipped
to your old familiar buddies. So that's encouraging. That's a
function of the share games, particularly the CBS broadcast
network. It's a function of the upfront we laid, which was
really all you up front, we sold significantly more inventory. So
we're not that dependent on scatter. And it's election
specific categories, obviously political.
I like in the back half of this year, but also pharma, which was
a big category for us coming back. Pharma. Yeah, like coming
back elections in pharma. So they he's confident in quarter
four numbers, not because they had scatter as he calls it, but
because they had too big too big industry buys elections, and
pharma. That's the No no, well, no, we know what two things the
That podcasting advertising does not have Yeah, a live
podcast advertising is highly dependent on scatter. So yes,
he's he's doing great CBS because they don't have to worry
about scatter wells what podcasting gets scatter? Yeah,
he doesn't have to worry about it until q1 and everything.
Then he's got some problems. Then he's just got Pharma. Yeah,
huh. Well, no, I think Pfizer has done some, some Viagra ads
here and there
hypsi They do everything with the hips. No, they weren't. They
weren't. It was Pharma. I don't know who maybe that was a. What
was that for? I can't remember. Now, I don't get that ad
anymore. When I listened to new media show now I get to nice
again, nice. Like some financial services I don't need.
He follows it up with a little bit of talk about programmatic
if you want to play yesterday, I don't feel like we're right now
people think that the market is is weakest, they're worried it's
going to become I mean, you're not really seeing a particularly
weak ad market right now. Are you? That's another part of the
overblown markets actually, pretty good. I mean, the
programmatic side is weak, but the linear side is pretty good.
But it's more people are talking negative about the ad market
valuations metrics have come in. And people are talking about an
extended slowdown, which again, I just don't think I don't know.
You know, it's a prediction. But what I'm seeing I'm feeling
better about 23 than then the general narrative. Yes, approach
programmatic is weak is what he said, you know, he doesn't he's
by his numbers, because he doesn't have scatter. These are
all podcasting, advertising is on the wrong side of all of
these things. Yes. I mean, that's why, look, when I figured
this out, you know, when we started pod show, the whole idea
was to change advertising. And so that's when you know, we're
doing and wasn't like a big change, because it's been going
on and radio for a long time. But you had the additional, you
know, now you had an interactive part where you could send people
to a website and use a promo code. And, and that was that was
kind of working, it surely would not scale the way you would ever
imagine. And then, you know, and then we started, brands started
dipping their toes in, and they're having a real hard time.
And look right now, Twitter.
I think it was at
Nike, and like two big brands pulled all their advertising,
because there's some, you know, kiddie Porn was discovered on
the platform. You know, yeah, it's a nightmare. This is always
a nightmare. And you know, he says, Yeah, linear is doing
okay. Yeah, yeah. I don't know. I think this, I think it's a
problem. Advertising is important. I'm not sure. And I
don't care. Let me let you before we play the last clip. We
don't even have to play it if you don't want to, but you can.
Don't feeling froggy. No. So we, we did an experiment. And I
added the no agenda, Sunday and Thursday, show to Opie three,
the open podcast,
pre prefix,
Project projects, thank you.
So we could see what's going on, and see how it worked. And the
system held up and there was just a lot of cool looking
charts and numbers and big numbers and smaller numbers. And
so the, the reason why I felt okay with doing this is because
I don't really care, it just doesn't really matter. But what
I noticed is, as you know, as the posting goes back and forth,
and you're drilling down and look at this, I'm like, I'm
getting, am I getting more and more interested about how many
people listen to this, I had to stop myself, it's like, no,
because you'll never know, you'll never know you're just
not gonna, and then I flip over to the lb stats. And I can see
that, you know, on this show.
Seven minutes in, there's 59 People who are streaming sites,
you know, that just shows me that right there. And I, and I'm
really good about that, like 59 people are listening at that
very moment. And someone sent to boost here. And look at that
line barely, barely tapers off. Have you seen our that we just
had some stats in the I haven't had the evolution? I should
look, it's very exciting. It's so funny how and you don't like
I just don't care that much about stats.
But these stats are cool. You look at that. I mean, because
that's actual data and it shows that people are listening pretty
much all the way through the through the show to the board
meeting.
Which was nice you know, what's funny is the the only thing that
we can say for sure after
after one round of of the no agenda show being on op three.
Is that the lit the number of listeners is somewhere between
90,700 1000 Yeah, that's kind of the impression I got plus walk
where where that is. I have no idea
If Well, if the total amount of listeners is 90,000, then every
single one of them has way too much dispensable income. Yeah,
that that can't be the case can't be right. It's way north
of that. The weather how, how far south of 700,000? It is. I
don't know, I've been looking. It's this has been a pet project
all week of, I thought you didn't care about stats. And now
that this is the priority to hear you our stats, but like on
our show, that I was talking about stats, okay. Now be stats
stats is also our stats.
Yeah, no, well, I'm like, this is more this is less of an
interest in like stats for the sake of figuring things out for
myself. Now, you're a horror data. Don't ever date a whore?
Yes, the data whore. And so I'm like,
you know, I just want to see these numbers that I can't make
any sense out of.
I just want to make some sense out of looking at them. And so
I'm like, Okay,
let me let me figure out a different way to slice Oh, no, I
know. Now, this is what's irritating me. I can feel you
doing this. And I know that it never ends. This rabbit hole
does not end with meeting Alice.
It ends with the IAB with some compromise. Yeah, that's what it
ends. So I just hope you don't spend the rest of your life
doing this. No, I'm, I'm slowly getting bored. As what's what is
happening? And, you know, I was like, I'm marginally interested.
But you know, obviously, what's what's what's happening here is
this. There's nothing that's really of interest to me if
there's a chart that I could look at, but that's kind of
cool. But again, I know it has it has no relationship to how I
feel about the program. How we did you know?
Now, I don't know, I think the value value is just a lot a lot
better. For me. It's like, okay, we didn't get as much. Maybe we
didn't do something right. Let's talk about everyone. Okay. All
right, move on. Do better. And it works.
And then look at the dashboard. Now that's pretty that's pretty
solid. I mean, I know. People don't drop off really?
Nice. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, there's like, it's pretty, it's pretty
good. I mean, like, there's just like this. ever so slight dip.
Towards the end. That's, that's about it.
Yeah, no, I don't the winning so naive. I will. I will echo Todd
Cochran ins,
you know, warnings about stats in calculations.
And I think in retrospect, I should take his warnings as
this is not fun.
He's trying to figure out what comes from what and what's
the target. It's never ending. It's never ending. But what I
like and what I would love to have, what I really enjoyed
looking at is all the refer.
You know what apps they are. That's cool. That's really
that's interesting.
I got people listening to me on the Roku. Yeah, yeah, that's
funny stuff. Yeah, the Roku. And also stuff. I've never heard of
stage fright. What is stage fright? Right? I mean, and these
I think are, maybe they're, what do you call them? What's the
what's that open source?
Everyone uses it. You can you can load it on the Umbral now.
So it's a media server, media server, and you can load
different apps. Apps on it. Yes. Podcast, like Plex or something.
That's it Plex. Okay. Stuff like that.
Yeah, that was kind of fun. Yeah. What you see quickly are
in the numbers is like, okay, clusters, clusters of downloads
coming from, like big clusters of downloads coming from a
single IP address, but different apps. Yeah, you're like, Okay,
well, this is a this is a VPN. Yeah. Okay. Well, that VPN,
you'll never know what that means. You can't pull numbers
out of that. It's just a big blob. And it's a big,
inscrutable blob.
So I mean, you just like you just give up. It just solidified
that this is the podcast industrial complex and the
numbers. It's been 20 years. It's still a it's a cluster F.
It's the same with Nielsen ratings is the same with
everything isn't then I'm just not getting the value out of out
of the hole. It bugs me more than anything. It's like that
just No, no. I drilled down on one IP, one IP hash. It was one
IP hash with an apple podcast user agent. And it had something
like 40,000 range requests. I'm like, this is not possible.
What's your range request our array of you were you
we're downloading little bits and pieces at a time partials,
partials when you're straight, you're just streaming and like,
well, there's no way that somebody listens to this podcast
at seven times in a row. Right? Right here doesn't make any
sense. Yeah. So but that's exactly it. And you, and I've
been doing this since 1990s. Five, with the advanced
statistics Analysis Program ASAP, where we did web stats for
Yeah, grep, basically. And it's always been fluffy at best. You
know, is there a lot of validity to having this data and not
looking at it as stats for advertising? Oh, hell yeah. I'm
glad I can contribute.
I think hopefully, it was helpful.
Yeah, no, it's, it's, it's fun to look at and try to like, I
see it as a big. Here's another.
Here's another way that this could go. You know what,
actually what we should bring our guest and that way, because
I think this may revolve around him too. I'm glad you reminded
me. I've forgotten him twice already today.
Just kidding. He's asleep in the lobby. Welcome to
open up the door. Welcome to the board meeting. Co Founder of
iv.fm. Mike van Haida hide, I did it. I screwed it up, even
though I knew better. Mike van Hyde. Hey, Mike. That's great.
Thank you very much for having me.
I'm sorry. It's the Dutch in me like I want to say, as my fun hi
to Hey, Michael. Yeah, that's what I want to do.
Your original pronunciation? How Dutch? Are you, Mike? I mean,
how far does that get back in your family? Oh, wait a long,
long way. So it's, we know it's probably Dutch, but I don't I
don't know that we now you know, trace it back to Europe or
anything. Oh, so you haven't been to the Motherland to go.
Oh, goodness. Okay.
Well, welcome, Mike.
And I think maybe we should just start off by you telling us
about IV dot IFAM, which I haven't used pretty much at all.
But I understand this is a great way to search and to keep track
of things, all things podcasting. Is that fair to say?
Yes, I think so.
So iv.fm, what we're trying to do is to sort of understand
exactly what each episode is about what people are involved
with topics, and then let the listener follow or explore from
there. And so, as an example, you were on Glenn Beck a few
days ago, and someone that was listening to his podcast might
not be familiar with you. And so you would you would be right
there. And think like, oh, Adam curry I liked I liked this
segment. And then they could click More and follow you and
see all the podcasts are associated with all the other
interviews you've done. And it's we have a million topics that we
follow. And so you can follow any of those the same way you
would follow a podcast. Wow, my popularity peaked around 2021.
That was probably a Rogan episode. Could I drill down into
that and find out what was so I was so popular. That's just kind
of cool. We did what's on the website is cash, but I could
definitely send you the for the full list. That's That's really
interesting. Can you make it so anything people search for
brings up me? That would be
okay, I was looking I was doing some searches a couple of days
ago, around in the app, and I was looking at things that how
do you I mean, you're you're really accurate with pulling
things out.
Like you can follow a person down to shows like with title in
the description. Are you using like a machine learning model?
Or what are you what are you doing there? i It's hard to say
the heuristics get complicated and more complicated. And I
don't know at what point they become ml. But
we do we do have a system that is proprietary that we built it
treats every field in the RSS separately. So there's a one
thing that's working on like keywords in person tags and
other thing that works on the titles and other on the
descriptions. And then the idea is just sort of all those work
together to sort of identify all the pieces parts of the of it.
The main thing we don't use this may be surprising is the
transcript data itself. We've looked at that a bit. It's just
a little bit messy. But I think at some point as we might
incorporate that as well. This is clearly your your wheelhouse
is is the search and like key. I hate to call it even keywords
because it's not really keyword you're sort of like taking
taking bits of data and making sort of making tokens out of
them. It feels like exactly because it's not it's not just
people it's also you know, the the, the you know, hash the hash
topics, hashtag people. This is interesting. Oh,
Um, what are you pulling in? Are you pulling in the person tag or
location? Like, what tags are you consuming? For this in
particular? It's the the title, the description, the keywords
and the person tag. Okay, okay. Amen. My, my podcast with my
wife isn't in here, you're not you're thinking, Oh, man.
This is no good. So you don't you're not pulling in from the
index, then we pull some from the index. There is
you mostly aligned with apple that we do have pot, obviously,
we have this podcast, we have some other ones that are not an
apple. Apple helps us with some popularity measurement. So
that's, that's sort of why we like to do that. But we'll add
anything. There's no, there's no like allegiance to Apple or
anything. Now, let me let me ask you about that connection with
Apple. So how do you get that data? Is there some kind of
developer program that you can hook into their API? No, I mean,
it's all sort of public. And so we pull in a number of sources
to try and understand the listening guide, as best we can.
Our you know, our, we're pretty small. So our listening data
would give you kind of random results, I think it would be
very skewed. And so this sort of, I think it was Kennedy
original topic, when you when you open the podcast is probably
directionally correct, maybe, but it wouldn't trust the
numbers. Exactly. And are you worried about Apple ever waking
up and deciding to not make that public? I think that's a
possibility. That's what we're trying to pull from a number of
sources besides apple, but Right, so far, it hasn't been a
problem yet. But we're we're definitely expanding beyond
beyond apple. Now. Is this a company? Are you guys making
money? I mean, what is what's the business model? So we do not
make money, we lose money. The company is this, my wife and I
actually podcasting my friend.
Podcasting
will make it up in volume.
We're looking at some ways to make money, I think the data
itself is actually
boost, I can see of avenues where it would be really
interesting to folks. And then there's, you know, probably ways
that we could do things. There's certainly the value providers,
something I was hoping to get before before we talk today, or
in some edge cases, and I'm terrified of taking people's
money. So we we backed off for now, but that is something in
the works. But there should be like avenues to help
advertisers.
Identify podcasts. And we think there's a lot of a lot of angles
here. Just typing some stuff in I'm very impressed at how the
how the search works. I mean, that's cool. And then the
results you get back at I see. apologizes hadn't haven't had an
opportunity to really mess around. And I'm just doing on
the web. So I can imagine the app is a million times more
interesting to interact with this cool, man, I really like
it. Thank you for the interesting. So the trending
topics I'm seeing it's
at least on the side, I'm not I don't have my phone next to me.
So I don't know about the app yet. But
and I think it was the same this morning on the app to a
hurricane in hurricanes, Joe Biden, Russia, Ron DeSantis,
cue, like, these, these trending topics? Are those coming from
Apple? Are those coming from your own analysis? No, no, these
are all from our own analysis. The trending is sort of we take
what we know, we know about how many episodes should appear for
each topic. And so to the extent that there's more than we would
anticipate, that's how we sort of ranked the trending. And so
that's where you see Hercynian and Nord Stream, being sort of
the top two, and then we're trying to provide more context
like, Well, why are those trending? And that's where we do
keywords that are trending with those. And that's where you get,
you know, hurricanes trending with Hurricane Ian, or Joe
Biden, or Cuban or Ron DeSantis. And then off to the side, we're
also pulling in 10,000, New sources, because they're also
RSS, so it's easy to kind of do the same operation on so we can
give extra context of like, you know, why is it this thing?
trending? Well, because, you know, a lot of this thing can be
an expert in everything. And there are things that come up
here, and I think, oh, there's a bug or what is that weird thing?
And then nobody is wrestling or it's something else that I'm
not, you know, this not in my wheelhouse.
Okay, so that's, that's interesting, because on the on
the app, you don't get I didn't see the news. I don't guess
that's in there. It's good for screenspace. That's true. You
know, the app is something that we need to circle back to, and I
think probably needs a complete rewrite.
Most of our development, attention has been on the
website. So question, since we're kind of talking about
stats and stuff to bring it back to that.
And I have another idea about this for later. Would it be
helpful if you could get maybe it's a 1% split that you could
get from a number of podcasts that would send to you so that
you could do more precise tracking? I mean,
we're talking about all the stats right and what is really,
I mean, download
Some partials and range requests and everything. Whereas I look
at the get Alby stats, I'm gonna like, okay, of the people that
are used listening to my podcast and value for value, which,
whatever that number is, here's, here's the, this is actual
listens per minute. Wouldn't that be, like a fantastic data
source? And I mean, I could see where, I mean, I've put us
percent split in there, so that you can do some stuff with that.
And it just seems like such an obvious thing. And you
contribute to the to the service, who's providing the
stats? Yeah, absolutely. I mean, maybe that could be something
that would sort of jive with the with the LP three stuff.
But yeah, we track actually every 10 seconds. So as people
listen, so that's helpful for our own internal usage. But
right, you know, it's still it's kind of bias to what people are
listening to on IV.
Right. I was just thinking that when an opportunity, you know,
or maybe there's so many cool services, we can do. I mean, I
was, what is that?
Someone posted to this open source transcription software,
which apparently does okay, like 85 90% accuracy? Every day, I
think. Yeah. I mean, the Whisper, whisper. Yeah, whisper
Yeah. So Well, I mean, if I, if I haven't, I think if I were a
developer, I might possibly say you don't want to set up a
service here. And you get your transcript in return for a
split. Done.
Okay, this just fits into something. So I had a phone call
with the guy yesterday and guy about a thing, a guy, a guy. And
we were talking about this about transcripts and chapters, in a
way, too, because they have some ideas for for providing
transcripts and chapter services.
And the discussion really, kind of stalled because we were think
we were just brainstorming, how you could link up these things
between a hosting company and, and the third party service. So
you have a third party service is going to provide you let's
just say transcripts.
Well, and then you got a hosting company where the podcaster is
going to create their episode, they pumped they they launch,
they record their episode, upload it to the host, publish
it. Now you've got now they want to use this third party service
to do their to do their transcript. And the idea is that
you would have the ability to post an episode,
and then just do nothing. Like you're you're done. You don't
have the story. Yeah, no. Three, has the transcript automatically
generate on this third party service? Yeah. Then no, then
somehow let the hosting company know that it's finished. And
then it gets pulled into the RSS of the episode.
Well, like that's, you could make an integration. There's
some sort of API back and forth integration, but you know,
integrations break and, and who knows if this is much of a
moneymaker. And like, things like that, there are things out
there like the like that in that category of, of a want to do.
There are things out there like that, that I feel like there's
needs to be some sort of
loose connectivity
between between parts almost like,
because everything is decentralized, and you want to
maintain the decentralization towards decentralized nature.
You sort of also want to decentralize the connectivity
between things, I want to be able to say, well, here's my,
here's my podcast, over at over at blueberry. Yeah. And here's
my hosting, here's my transcript company I want to use. And then
here's my chapters company, I don't want to use, which is
another one. And I want to like, link all this stuff together,
where it all works. But I don't want to require that the hosting
companies and these other two companies all do a bunch of back
end API integration. There's got to be a solution to this. And I
feel like I haven't told you a little bit about pod pain,
meaning, I don't know if all the solutions need to come from the
hosting companies.
No, I mean, I mean, there's slugs, there's all kinds of
things that I mean, hosting companies. No, it's, I think any
hosting company can see just look at the namespace. There's
your roadmap, choose which order you want to do it in, and how
and how and for them, I think the way Buzzsprout does, it
makes the most sense. And others do it, of course, is you know,
contract out to a transcription service. I mean, now I think we
got Rube Goldberg machine. What I'm talking about is I don't
have a hosting service or just whatever whatever it is, but
even if I have a hosting service, and here's a here's a
cool add on that I don't really have to involve my hosts
In service with at all. Okay, perfect example here op three
perfect example because op three exists.
It's not going to be a moneymaker. I mean, it's not in
desperately not as intense is intent. So
but you want people to be able to use it
without having to email their hosting company and ask them to
integrate like, there needs to
be see what I'm saying there? Yeah feels like there needs to
be you're you're trying to fix a problem that you can't fix, we
can in some cases, like the shim for the value block.
Again, a centralized solution for really a distributed
problem.
Yeah, it will, you know, it feels like there ought to be
some sort of protocol, linkage protocol, where, where two
parties can can do a thing together
without having to create API integrations, and do a bunch of
work like that, where I can, where eyes, the end user can
say, Okay, I've got this service. And I've also got this
other service. I'm making a link between them myself. Yeah. Yeah.
Well, that's not that's not always good. That's not always
going to be possible hosting companies are in different
stages of development. Yeah, so I'm just talking generally, I'm
not trying to solve for the hosting company's business, or
anybody's business, I guess.
But I like I like the idea that a new servers could be set up
and how that integrates. I mean, I mean, it, I don't know,
somehow just felt to me, like, there's, there's gotta be a way
to do it, this transcription service someone, you can run it
yourself, which, you know, I'm looking, I could probably run
this myself, it would take me a day, and like, I'm not gonna do
that. I got to do other stuff. But if someone said it up and
said, Okay, I can take, you know, X amount of clients, and,
you know, here's your slug, or whatever. And then, you know, we
we just need to just point it to this, and that's where your
transcript will be.
Now, that would be cool. I mean, that I would give up honored for
that, you know, no problem. And maybe that's, maybe I'm special
special. Because I, I use, I'm spoiled because of sovereign
feeds. I'm a spoiled brat. Yes. See, that's what we were talking
about in the call yesterday, it's like, well, you know, we
can do this so easily, because we control the feed, but like
90% of podcasters not they don't have this luxury now, and
they're not, you know, that there's been something like that
also applies to, to like you with IV Mike. I mean, like, you
have this ability to with your in with your engine to extract
all this. All the keywords and tokens and people and you've
you've got all this information, somebody may want to hook into
to your service. And like pay you to be able to pull that
stuff out and put it into their podcast as recommendations or
some some other thing. Like, there might be some linkage in
the future there. If we can sort of crack this nut is this where
that that? I'm sorry, go answer that. Mike. I'm sorry. I just
jumped in front, just as being rude. Yeah, definitely. We're
definitely looking to open up the beyond the UI and make it
make API calls for all this stuff. So that somebody could
hook in?
Yeah, because because you can imagine the podcasts are wanting
recommendations on what, you know, what keyword should I use?
What, what's the keyword? What's the volume on those? Like, how
many other people are talking about this? And who else is
talking about this? And we could tell you that in in almost real
time?
Yeah, it'd be cool. Isn't this? Isn't this where that
LSAT comes in? Isn't LSAT meant for this?
Is anybody using LSAT is? Yeah, I think I get a read on it. But
you know, Well,
Dave, we picked up on on key sand, which nobody was using,
and we turned it into a powerhouse
true. I just don't I don't know I've always hear you always hear
oh, you should use LSAT, but then I'm not I don't see anybody
doing it. But we could give it a shot. I mean, the the really
boils down to for me is what what is making podcasts and 2.0
work and and I want to hear Mike I want to hear your opinion on
this is obviously there's Hey, there's features, we have
hundreds of 1000s of feeds now using these new features. So
there's content to be consumed. And you know, this data is just
sitting there. And as a developer, by the way, Apple
should be embarrassed of themselves, that they haven't
implemented at least one of one one piece of the namespace
because I know that
They know the developers, I'm sure the team feels generally
embarrassed that they cannot even keep up with, you know,
with, with the simplest of of web apps that are just showing
more data from podcasts, and they just can't do it. I mean, I
know that they will, Apple will implement namespace
tag tags for sure.
But the scriptable money part, that's the part that brings it
all together. Because even if you, even if you're not in this
for money, and most of us aren't, just seeing those those
bits, you're part of the network or the physical network is a
payment going, people are sending value, you're getting
it, you're receiving it, that's exciting. And there's always the
possibility that this will grow. And lots of people will do it.
And it's, you know, all trends point that way. But it's when
you really stop and think about scriptable money, how that
solves so many of these problems. That's why I keep
coming back to LSAT.
It's worth a shot. Yeah, it's worth I want to try to explain
it what it is. LSAT,
if understand LSAT is is a token that you get this like a got a
lifetime. It's like a,
like a macaroon kind of is is not? I think it's good. Yeah.
And then allows you to enter to interact with an API. And it's a
way to get like, the predefined you're charging for the API. For
for access is to sort of like Open Graph, and I think pod
chaser does something. Yeah, it's like this HTTP, HTTP plus
macaroons plus lightning. That's alright. So you set your
permissions, you set that, and it works on the old, what is it?
The the error of the error code? Was it 402 payment required?
That's the HTTP spec.
But that was a hack. And we had long discussions with, with some
guys there in Austin, about how to use it and that kind of thing
to begin with, it ended up not being, like I'm doing right from
year one, right for us, because we want to do it in a charged
API. But that, I mean, it's us, there may be time to revisit
that it could, it could, it could be an interesting play,
worth thinking about. Because you authenticate, you know, and
then there's a payment and you can, you know, totally set that,
you know, it's like, Okay, for this or for this particular
transaction, this kind of transaction, this length of
whatever.
There's,
like, another thing, in Mike,
you're getting your training data, or some some of your, in
the sort of seed data from Apple. And this is the thing
that's really been on my mind a lot lately is, is we have to
have, a lot of a lot of people end up doing that, because it is
a is a reliable source of data. But just like the directory,
it's, it's all centralized in this one gigantic company. And,
you know, as big as Apple podcast is, it's also not
necessarily representative, the representative of the whole
world,
either. I mean, like, the thing is, you look around and you see,
within every app, you're gonna see,
you're gonna see their particular flavor of trending
shows. So if you if you open up overcast, you're gonna see a lot
of shows like accidental tech, irreconcilable differences of
people in that sphere of the relay FM Mac world, that's
always going to be at the top, because they are heavy. And that
group is heavy users of that app. Same with the podcasting
2.0 apps, you're gonna see, if you open up pod verse a breeze,
you're gonna see podcasting people, no, no agenda, pod news
at the top of those lists. You go into Apple, you're gonna see
a lot of NPR and a lot of that can. So it would be really
helpful
if there was
if there was a distributed system or some protocol to get
trending data from the hosting companies themselves. So like
rss.com, transistor, blueberry, Buzzsprout, Captivate, they
could all
they could all publish maybe to us, like completely anonymized
just lists, and, you know, numbers. It's not like, you
know, they can just publish whatever they want. They're
like, Okay, here's, here's the shows. Here's some public
listing of shows that we
think are important. Who the hell even knows what I mean?
Like they don't even have to be like, some kind of rancor where
it's like these are the most popular or these are trending.
They can be whatever they want.
I mean people in their hosting company, people, their customers
could pay them and to be on these lists, I don't care. But
just some sort of way to have a broad
D decent draws not coming from a single source not coming from a
single app, way of aggregating a bunch of this, a bunch of this
data together so that apps like IV can pull that in from from
the decentralized network, and not be realized so reliant on
one source like Apple,
I think that's a good idea. So far are we get from Apple is
just like their ratings and reviews. And that's how we can
kind of extrapolate that into what's what's popular and what's
not.
But I think the Opie three stuff before, that's where I kind of
asked in the in the Macedon, you know, what if all the players
just put that prefix on everything?
Because then I think that does get get sort of what you're
talking about, where you'd have sort of an open list of what's
popular, and it wouldn't be biased towards any one
particular source, especially if lots of players would do this.
I think I think you'd really be able to see amazing stuff. And
then you'd be able to see what people that listen to this one,
listen to that one, you could kind of make those connections,
you'd have to do some pruning the the VPN example that you
gave us a really good one. So you have to be a little bit
careful not just kind of take it without looking at it. But I
think there's a lot of a lot of possibility there. Yeah, I think
I think that that's a really good use of this data. I'm
really liking that idea. All in all in on that. Oh, yeah. All
in, of course. I mean, just when it comes, if we continue down
the road of what is unique, what is this? What is that? It's
death.
I mentioned this, there was a question optimistic. The
podcaster might not want this available. And so maybe there'll
be like an opt out or something. But I think if you if you did it
from the standpoint of an opt out, instead of an opt in, in,
you would get the data that you need pretty fast. Yeah. Which,
which will require an eight slack threads for four months of
everyone agreeing that that's good or bad. Well, so everybody,
including, including John Spurlock has been saying that,
you know, no, the podcaster should control this, the
podcaster should control this.
No, I'm not so sure. I'm just I'm not. I'm not saying that. I
disagree. Let me let me just preface that strongly by saying
that when I say I'm not sure, I truly mean, I don't know, I'm
still trying to figure out where I fall on that. Because if if,
if a bunch of apps did what you what you mentioned, and you, you
know, Steven Bell mentioned this as well. He was like, you know,
always put this prefix on everything. Well just look at
it. Well, I mean, I can under a definitely understand the
sentiment of podcasters may not want their numbers to be public.
You know, but I haven't I'm not sure we've really fully thought
out sort of the ethical landscape of what that means
that may not be as cut and dried as well, that we think the
question is, for what reason is, is public, and the only thing
the industry has ever focused on is Rancors. And CPMs.
I will say that, I think John Spurlock was correct, but he
wasn't entirely correct to undo what was on pod land. He said,
Well, you know, having stats used to be the unique selling
proposition for the hosting companies now it still is, we
have the best stats, we have the most accurate stats, we have the
it hasn't quite transitioned yet to. We have all the podcasts and
2.0 features and maybe maybe stats is still what what you
sell people on.
And I think there's a genuine fear by hosting companies to
give that up might be that might be their secret sauce. You know,
the interface though.
Excuse me, they will still get to have like their interface so
they can still sell like we have the best stats interface and we
can do interesting things with that data the best I you know
what, I can't speak on their behalf. I'll bet you they're all
laughing at us right now even talking about it, because we
don't know what we're talking about. But I hear the passion
that Todd puts into his his whole being when he's talking
about the stats, and there's a lot of love and hurt behind that
to get to where he's comfortable with what they're doing. But
they laugh at us every week anyway. In the hell yeah. Like
the I think, I guess Okay, here's something to flesh this
out a little bit more. It's kind of coming to me. It's becoming
more clear as I hear this discussion.
I think it may be okay in this instance, because, like, the
hosting company is still the first party. Download and
measure. It always will be so the hostess
Let's just say this is we're talking to Mrs. Todd is so vocal
about stats let's let's take blueberry,
blueberry is still going to get, they're going to get all the
stats. They're gonna get everything no matter where it's
played, regardless because it always because they're the
source of the audio.
If, if apps like IV, curio cast or pod verse, if if apps like
that, let's just say we get 567 podcasts into porno apps.
To implement this, it's going to be obvious that this is not a
complete picture of the stats. So it's not going to be an issue
where people are like, You've made my stats public?
Well, no, no, because you're not if if 90% of your plays are on
Apple podcasts or Spotify, these stats are irrelevant. They're
not even close to being accurate. And everybody
understands that they're not going to be even close to being
accurate. Dave, good luck with that.
It's, it's the programming is too deep. I feel you. I think I
agree with you. I'm like, I'm not gonna die on that hill,
getting people to allow podcast apps to put a prefix now know
that they're gonna ruin their everyone's gonna ruin their
business. It's so it's so it stats have become such a
protected thing.
Now, it's like, this is your gold. This is how you get money
to grow your show to have higher stats to get money. No, you're
so Scottish. Right now. You're from the highlands.
It's not gonna have whiskey before the show. It's not gonna
happen.
Well, if that is there to get an ad, you're probably right. I
give up easy. You're probably right. That's, well, in that
case, hosting companies. Give us give us opens give us some open
netstat. So give us open open rankings give us open list? No.
I mean, what I think I want it for the index. Yes, no, I
understand how,
darling believe me, believe me, I know you want data data. title
of the show data hor. Dave, the data whore DDS, D where it
proudly, son? Yeah, this should be like,
Would you like to send anonymous stats to the OP three open
project. So we can so we can add to the data to make podcasting
better. And by the way, I would like to receive from somebody
a definitive list of benefits that I can get for doing that.
So while you and and John Spurlock are all Jeezy and JD
about about the data, I'm like, Okay, well, I got five different
numbers, I got a chart. It's cool to see people wake up on
Monday, and then they start to download. But I mean, it's not
going to affect my programming. It's not going to. I'm not, not
once in my life, even though I've created I've funded
creation of stats within my own companies. I've never gone back
and said, Okay, what happened at this moment? Oh, I'm going to do
more of that. It's a lie. Okay, I'm just going to say it. I've
said it myself a million times.
You know, we have the booster grams at timestamp.
Now in Alby, I'm like, Oh, so cool. Now you can find out
exactly what you were saying when the booster gram came in.
You know what it doesn't work?
Because you have to go back. Well, the boosted Graham came
in, it's usually unrelated to the topic at that moment,
timeline. So you wind up not doing it. You say, Well, was it
me? There's really, it's fun. I like to know the overall trend,
where people like a no agenda were the stats that we have, you
could see the drop off first donation segment, and then a
number of people, you know, a significant portion coming back.
That's fun to see. But I've seen that before. From the apple
player stats. What else is there that's really going to excite me
other than it's enough to get ads.
Seriously, oh, look how many people are listening to me from
Colorado? Yeah. Or look how many people are listening to me in
Japan? That's exciting. Yeah, in 1993
serious look seriously. At of all the shows that publish, and
there's so many of them now. I mean, 110,000 over the last
three days, 110,000 podcasts have published an episode over
the last 10 days 246,000 Out of all those shows,
attacked us not tiny but a very small number of those shows
truly care about making money.
They do like they do like status. They just they do want
people to know that people are listening.
That's all they really care about. Right? Okay, everybody
want everybody wants to know that they that they're kind of
being heard and being listened. So is it gives you that
excitement. Okay, so let me let me tell you a story. Let me tell
you a story about a woman I know, gonna climb up on your
knee.
So I've been working with this guy, this Belgian guy who I we
have a mutual friend who's a
entertainer in, in the Benelux and he's you can you can see
what my buddy is doing. And he started this thing called 100%.
Retro and it's a live radio station, it only available on
stream, then he's done quite a lot of work in the global nature
of it by hiring people all across the globe in different
time zones. And he's done. This comes from kind of trickery to
the playlists. So during drive time in the US, you won't get
some, you know, some weird song maybe that's in a different
language. But he has Israel, South Africa, England, New York,
Los Angeles, and if anybody's got Kim Wilde doing shows for
him and Ben libram mixes and so and he's shelling out a lot of
money. And so he's getting ready to start implement his
advertising, which means he has to you know, look at how many
streams darts do you get? And I and I'm not I'm not compensated,
I have no stock or anything. I just like the guy. So once every
couple of weeks, you know, we talk on a Friday for an hour, I
talked to him this morning. And I said, Well, I think we're
close enough I'm going to put you into into podcasting 2.0
Live. And so I whipped up literally this morning whipped
up a little a little feed in sovereign feeds, and I threw his
stream URL in there I opened up an Albea wallet connected that
in the value block, but a bing bada boom and, and so so we get
on the Zoom, call the video call and say okay, here, here's curio
Kassar. And I was showing him because I was doing you know,
screenshare and I but also showed him on camera. The same
with POD verse. Thank you very much, Mitch and everybody for
rushing like mofos to get that done.
And I kind of follow is a great little demo. And he's a friendly
guy, but I'm just trying to promote this concept. And so you
know, curio cast, you look for 100% with a percent sign retro.
Yeah, and it pops up and hit live. And the chat works and the
wallet works. And then and so I'm saying okay, now look at
Albie, and he's looking at Albie at the live and you know, this
thing is just spurt and confetti everywhere. Show and 200 SATs a
minute streaming and I'm showing the booster grams. He's tripping
out he says some people are sending money right now just for
listening. So yeah, man, that's the whole part, the whole beauty
of it. But you can also just look at the trend of who's
listening when they're listening. And he thought that
was spectacular. So that's so much better than the stream
starts because you know, in the streaming radio model, they also
have all kinds of bullcrap numbers, and they still can't
get it all exactly right. With streams, so they do stream
starts, okay, partial downloads, range requests. No, but when you
have an actual payment going from A to B, doesn't matter what
the number is. I mean, as I said, we had like,
what do we have on our get Alby? It was like 57 people streaming
SATs at that moment in time. That's, that's super exciting.
And it happens from the moment you launch.
I just sent him 1000 says, got to the 100% Retro live stream so
I got really distracted as we were getting everything set up
but I want I have it in as a clip and pod verse and I want to
I'll just hit play and hopefully it's very risky. But I don't
know exactly if it has all the pieces in there I want but I was
it was my hate. Listen. The liberal intellectual elites Kara
Swisher and Professor Scott, Scott Galloway, who got their
got their feet hijacked by the way. They got their feet
hijacked by the new the New York time when they left. They she
went in to some other I guess she took she went to some Wall
Street Journal. Is that where she went? She went to some of
the places left in New York Times verge sway large sway laws
in New York tie, and she left her feet behind and they
converted they just took her feet and converted it into a
different show. They actually she mentioned they were going to
do that. Yeah, evidently she was not happy about well, it wasn't
hers to take with her. It wasn't her field. So no, all right,
well, whatever. So they have on
Jessica Yellin Who I guess she was a mainstream news reporter
very season she's been around and she started a the while
she's I started a media company but she really is doing a lot
Podcast. And it may be video as well. But I think it's audio
called news not noise. And it's become extremely popular. And
I'm not sure exactly if it's all on this clip, but she was
talking about the weight, you know, because of course, like
why do you make money on this on this podcast? And, and she's?
Well, we'll see if her answers in here. Hold on CNN where he
used to work is pushing, you know, and again Chris Cuomo is
at this news nation, which is a project.
Is that the right direction? Do you see more of this? audiences?
You know, yeah.
Kara Swisher sounds almost exactly like Hillary Clinton.
Say millio Baby, say million? Tell me I'm wrong. Boy, that
sounds really close. I thought that was Hillary Clinton as a
guest. Sorry, what do you think my startup does that Hillary
Clinton? It sounds like it to me.
I'm not sure if this bit is in here. But she says she makes
money from she has partnerships, which means like brand
advertiser, she has.
She gets payments from some of the platforms. So I presume this
like YouTube or whatever. And she also takes donations. And
I'm not sure if she says it in this clip, because it's more
about what Scott Galloway says. But she at one point said she
really wished she had started earlier with donations from the
audience. Now hopefully it's in this clip Fox is only growing
with their anger machine, their persistent rage machine? Well, I
think the answer is yes, I do think it will work. And it will
keep audiences I think that you have to shift your expectations
when I was growing up, and I watched CNN, you know, in the
Tiananmen Square moment, and it was just the centerpiece of the
world to me,
CNN drew huge eyeballs at major events, and accepted that they
would get less audience in between.
It also became a place where you could actually reach
independence and swing voters, which is enormously valuable and
profitable, right, you can charge more for that. So I do
think there's a space for that. I think, listen, when I started
on Instagram, I was one of the only people doing what I do. But
now there's a bazillion people telling you what matters in the
world all outraged and, you know, dancing and screaming
about how awful this party is or that so there's plenty of left
right content out there. And I think there is a whitespace sort
of that attracts the people who feel a little homeless right
now.
And I don't know, you know, exactly how CNN is going to
execute on that. But I think that Chris Licht in particular
has a track record of making very watchable TV, and people
should just give him a moment to do it. Yeah, Scott, last
question. What advice would you have if you, you started this
new media company, and you've done it yourself? What would
advice would you give to somebody who's wants to start a
media company? That's news centered here? What mediums
would you use? Business model? It sounds like you've already
said go right to I mean, is it fair to call it tipping? I don't
know what you call like the the telegraph model of the Guardian
model. What advice you're starting to sort of clean slate,
how would you do it? I like this. Tipping the telegraph
model, the Guardian model with Guardian has a model now. I
mean, Dane is just dripping off with him. When he says tipping
fig. Let's just roll that back. It was so nasty how he said
that, but she actually has a great comeback, very watchable
TV, and people should just give him a moment to do it. Yeah,
Scott, last question. What advice would you have? If you
you started this new media company like yourself?
What would advice would you give to somebody who's wants to start
a media company? That's news centered? When mediums would you
use business model? It sounds like you've already said go
right to I mean, is it fair to call it tipping? I don't know
what you call like the the telegraph model or the Guardian
model? What advice you're starting this with a clean
slate? How would you do it differently? I guess I would
start with platform outside of any of the current social media
platforms, and consistently drive to your own website, or
your own newsletter, or whatever the thing is, you're doing
outside the algorithms from day one.
Have super high numbers.
And just really focus in on what the audience is responding to.
And continue to deliver that. It's this conversation. I think,
you know, everybody poopoo is web three, or where's it going?
But the thing that I find interesting about web three is
it's this ongoing, circular conversation. And I do think
conceptually, that's where the media needs to go. And those are
the businesses that will really excel because we are sorting
into sort of I call it not like minded but like valued
communities, and so lean into that. Yeah, that's absolutely,
that's too bad. Because before that she she actually, you know,
she went through this whole rap like if I had known what now
what I knew then I would have started right away with the
audience, but she's saying the same thing we're talking about.
It's like it's a circle.
You know, it's a loop, you know, the donation the booster grams,
that's the loop.
Which so you You're, you're saying that we are a like valued
community? I would rather rip off my nuts than ever describe
us is that
mission accomplished but in their world in their worlds?
Yeah. Yeah, like valued community. Yeah, I think that
makes sense.
Okay as an app
as an app, Mike, what,
you know, you've you've constructed this, this system
that pulls out all these relevant bits, and it does a
really good job of it.
The thing that's sort of missing, I guess, per step two
would be
pulling in, like taking signals from the from the listener
as to what you know, to that. So you have the circular thing
there is that what may be already doing that? What and how
does that how would that fit in? Yeah, I think that would make
everything a lot better. Wait, now, because of the data that we
have available? All we can really use is sort of the supply
of podcasts. And so we can see, like, how many have this? How
many podcasts have this or how many episodes have this. But
yeah, having that sort of listening data, or even just the
download data is as messy as that is, would help us a lot.
Yeah, that'd be what do you do you trigger off that at all
right now? Or he's purely just like,
the the content side, you're taking all your signals from
that from the content itself? Right now? It's all from the
content itself.
Okay. Oh, does that mean that? I guess the the, you know, this,
there's a big if there's a theme of what we're talking about in
general today. I mean, really, it really is like how to get how
to get a better signal from, from the, from the audience,
from from listeners.
And from the in from the hosting, like, how to how to get
better quality signal in here so that everybody is, you know,
there's this, this stupid idea of, of discoverability. Where,
where's that it's just something I'm not that concerned about.
But it does, like, if there's the word of mouth idea, which is
still king within podcasting, like that word of, I feel like
that word of mouth idea can be converted into an actual signal
that, that apps and an index and everything that we can all pick
up on, except it can't be done with clips and clips. I like I
like where you're going, how about I connect my podcast or my
listening wallet, to a data, dump wherever. So that you can
at least I'm perfect, I'd be perfectly happy to show you my
category one of payments, which is the streaming data, I'd be
more than happy to send that to, which you know, I know how that
comes in is a lot of nice data in that I'll send that to to
Opie three or to IV or you know, someone who's, who's going to be
open with it. Now, I think now you're talking about it. Now
you're talking.
Listening to I will send my listening date. I'm happy to do
it. I'm going to make that make that a box in the app. And you
know, I don't want booster grams going all over the place even
though they do kind of but not the message is just just the
amounts just show Yeah, well, not not even the messages. No,
I'm talking about. Look, it can be
Yeah, I don't want my messages going all over the place. I just
think that's Miss No, I don't I would want
to look it's all open. It doesn't matter. Make it
selectable, you can do only streams boosts whatever however
you want to do it. I'd be that was kind of where I was going
early. I'd be happy to put in a 1%
You know, if if, by doing that I get recommendations back. Well,
you know, this guy over here listens to the same podcast you
listen but he also listens to her. So why don't you check this
out? I mean, that's something I think is fantastic data and
bypass and the users can can bond together and make it happen
we don't necessarily need anybody else. That's what I'm
thinking. Yeah, that's what I'm thinking it's not like and
there's no algorithm in between it's just it's you know what
this is this is it's just like share your OPML it is exactly
share your OPML only done with money
plays Oh on am Paula. Yeah, it's share your lightning is what
that is Chain Lightning. That's it. Chain Lightning. Lightning.
So you know
And, and I would do that. Okay, so IV, you you said you're
working, Mike you're working on,
on putting in value for value, right? That's right. Yeah. Mitch
has an open source to JavaScript file where you kind of take this
blob and drop it on the page, and then the JavaScript just
turns it into the form. So we demonstrated some experiments
with that. And that was super helpful in bootstrapping that.
Because if you had, if, if you admit, I made a modification to
that library, where I could choose to make my to, like,
share my boost data out, hit that check box in a heartbeat.
Yeah, I would share it back out, share, share it, you know, I
mean, you you obviously already have it, so you'll start getting
those signals immediately. But like, I mean, I'd share that
with the world. I've been a lot of people would, where should
Where should it live? I mean, the interesting thing, Dave,
we have that data.
Do we? Yeah, we get 1%.
On the Endo. Yeah. Yeah. The index literally has this data.
It's funny that I didn't realize this.
I mean, why am I this? Guest? We don't have to develop anything
in a meeting adjourned everybody beautiful work.
We have data not shady, this is how not shady we are that we
didn't even know.
So son get to importing into into MySQL.
I'm on the dip. I got it. Get that thing? And what's that?
What's that? That platform that? Gosh, a lot of my ex employees
went there. Or my old employees went there. The it's like this
huge flat, flat database concept. You can then they sell
it to companies throw all your data in there and they can dig
out whatever you want. lunk Splunk? Yes, this Blanc, it will
throw it all this will put it on a big Splunk. Yeah. No, not do
that. But think but think about what we could extract anonymize.
But you can because you can hash the user names or whatever.
Like that can be up for debate how we do that, but it doesn't
really matter. You know,
make that available. And you know, do the query or whatever
it is, whatever it is, make it available so that people can
then connect. Okay, this person's listening, you know,
like IV connect, this person's listening to this podcast and
this podcast, other people listen to that one. So check
this out. This may interest you. I mean, that's that's the basic
idea of recommendation, isn't it? Interesting. Net, you've
distracted me from op three, this is a success. You've you've
successfully distracted me away from my work is done here. Yes,
yes, it would also tell you, one thing we see a lot of is people
click on a button to kind of going back to the how you opened
it, people click on a podcast, listen to it, maybe they're
like, Oh, this isn't for me and close it quickly. And so you
would sort of this would get it that that you made them a bad
recommendation, maybe even really bad because they they
wasted some of their time on it, versus having them listen to the
whole thing. So that as as in terms of like, what, what's
your, you know, when you're, if you're training a model on that,
what's your objective function, that will be like a bad output,
or outcome? If they if they only list a little bit of it? I mean,
make it in this data set in some available in some way, Dave? I
mean, the ML AI guys would be Jide. I mean, think about what
you can then go to amounts. Okay. So, which typically I
don't care about, but in this case, you can see, well, this
person who provides a lot of value back, you know, in doesn't
provide any value to this, you know, so is that a weighting
system? You know, can you then weigh
populaire popularity when there's a lot of things you can
do to just try and get some some general behavioral information,
but something that we can immediately turn around and hand
back to the people, to the people, not to the government
and not to creepy corporations, which 100% of them are to people
to you know, do something that will benefit them, make their
lives better recommend a podcast, find people who listen
to the saying, Can you imagine that? Would you like to connect
with people who also listen to this podcast? Well, you can send
them you can send them a message.
Oh, yeah. And it's completely anonymous because I don't know
who I'm sending it to, but they'll receive and send it to
their Alby wallet. I mean, I can do this is what I can do all day
long.
Well, this is this obviously needs to be a week a new weekly,
massive,
massive dorms.
Yeah, with this, this could be another this could be a week,
another weekly massive dump where we just a non
memorize everything and you know it may be that we take this is
probably the best idea. Take Take the messages out, take the
take the username, hash the user names and then take the don't
use the original numerology amounts use the post the post
deduction access fee deduction that way you can't reverse like
reverse people here see like 1,000,021 12 coming from me that
day right right right. They did dumps they call them dumps big
massive dumps
this this is this is this show is full of massive dump so we
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it was like a few people since we're a buck 21 Right now I'd
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we've had come in. From the from the live show. Thank you all
very much for providing us value. And we've been following
along in the chat room. Nice. See everybody there.
Are you I couldn't tell. Are you on Android? Mike? Yes, we had a
little administrative issue with them. But we're back up on
Android, Android and iOS. What was the administrative issue?
There was something we had to like log in and do something and
every so often and
We get our stats through an alternate means. And so they
thought we were inactive. So they ended the developer
accounts with the RE redo. It was kind of a pain. How much
does it?
Yeah, that so you lost all your I guess you lost all your
reviews all your downloads? Ah. Oh my goodness. So you want to F
Droid or is it just on the Google Play Store? It's on the
Google Play Store? Yeah. Okay. Is F droid, does it have to be
open source to be on F droid? Or is that just alternative store?
Straight up? No, I don't think it has to be open source, does
it? I don't think so.
Okay, I'm not sure.
Are you? Mike? Are you
what technology you're using? Do you like React Native? Or is it
a native app? How's that? How's that work? It is flutter. It's
that was were kind of a nice, right at once and deploy it
both? Yeah.
Flutter is really like,
I keep my My instinct is to discount it as a, you know,
because here's, it's not because of anything they did is, it's
just that we've seen so many of these things that have come and
been cross platform, you know, mobile, right once run anywhere
things and they always are like a flash in the pan. But flutter
seems to really be sticking around. I mean, like it seems to
have staying power, this may be the first one that really has
kind of stuck the landing.
It was it's a little bit takes a little bit to get used to. But
it wasn't it wasn't so bad. Once you kind of get in there. There
are some things that I wish I would have known. I think this
is the first flutter app I built. And so I think there were
like fundamental ways of constructing the app that we
need to fix in terms of, you know, to get the lock screen
controls and integrate with Car Play and that sort of thing. But
that's why I'm thinking at some point, probably in the next, I
don't know, I don't want to put a date on it. But next few
months, I'd love to just kind of redo the the native component of
this, we really focus almost exclusively on the data itself.
And, you know, merging these things together, when they're
synonyms and just just doing a lot of that kind of work. I
think it's time to come back and work on the UI.
So do you have?
So how often do you have to drop out of flutter and go down to
like a swift thing? Or the underlying OS level API's to get
something done? Is it is it rare? Or is it common? How's
that work? So far? It's been pretty rare. Pretty, pretty
well, I think it was Android, it had to do something weird. But
yeah, it's actually been pretty nice. The the libraries that are
available for audio are not bad.
So I've been pretty happy with it actually. Did they just call
the underlying OS provided libraries? Or do they have
actual audio engines that are themselves? It's my
understanding that they all interact with the existing
native
components. Okay. And that seems to be like that. There's no
that's not real buggy. It seems to work. Okay. Yeah, definitely.
Yeah. Okay. But I mean, everybody know, a lot of people
using it, they need that anytime player uses it breeze, uses
flutter, I think fountain uses flutter if I'm not mistaken. I
mean, like, it seems to be, it seems to be the way to go.
Because the reality is writing a native app, like, you know,
keeping track of two native code bases at the same time, and plus
a web code base. That's a mess, man. I mean, you need a whole
team of people to do that. So I'm glad that I'm glad that
flutter exists. Because, I mean, the promises of that in the past
have been very, pretty hollow. But it seems like this is
actually legit.
Long ago, I worked for an insurance company, and we saw a
competitor do something I was like, Oh, we could do that in
PhoneGap. And no problem. I could do that in a month. And it
turned out that one critical component was missing. And I
worked like 20 hours a day for that month and make sure I hit
the deadline.
Oh, yeah. Yeah, there's been so many promises that have gone
home, you know, going empty over the years of cross platform, but
I mean, that honesty is was the language. Is it this Dart? I
guess, right. It is Dart? Yeah. Okay. And is that is that it
looks? I don't want to say
it looks sort of JavaScript D. But yeah, but not if you know,
JavaScript, you'll you'll pick it up in no time. Okay.
Because I mean, is it is it typed is it I don't I know
nothing about Dart is it's like everything is a widget so
everything is sort of nested inside itself.
But you know, I think I think once you know, one language and
the, you pretty much can can can punch through and do you know
any other language pretty much okay, so that's what you're
talking about earlier, when you said you were gonna like do a
ground up rewrite of, of the mobile apps is because
You've learned some stuff now that you did you, you've got
technical debt, and you're gonna try to go and erase that.
Exactly, yeah, there's this, there's this technical debt that
I think to fit, it'd be easier to kind of burn it down and
start over than to then to try and fix it. And I think that
would give us a lot of, you know, a lot of other things.
Like just even basic things. Like my, my sister in law was
like, Oh, we're not using your app because it isn't a 15 second
skip and it's like well, like that's obvious easy thing that
we could add you know, even now without rewriting anything. But
but it's like we need those kinds of table stakes features a
new UI component because I think the dad is in a really good spot
right now. And just like I said, getting those getting those UI
things right, and then all the 2.0 stuff will go on there too.
Oh, cool. Okay, shall we thanks some people DAVE Yes your
time to hang out Michael we do this. Absolutely. Okay. Yeah, I
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anything. They don't give a damn so no, it's always very
appreciated when when somebody does that. Thank you Oscar.
Interesting. The bigger the company gets the less they give
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leaderboards are useful because you can presume that as the show
gets a lot of support, then maybe it is worth checking out.
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little more endearing the wither away. Okay, it's great show
really nice great show really great show. Yeah, like a like a
show with you. Okay and then been dunked but dunk thanks
for for for
Julie work for your work. Okay, ju li e usually your your work
you usually usually W E rk is your work. Yeah. Thanks. Thanks
for your thanks for your work. Licorice liquor shows you the
dogs voor is usually work. Yeah, exactly. You can get laid in
Amsterdam. Congratulations.
That's that's the goal. Yes, promise. As long as we have a
focus here, people.
Okay, cast cast peeling says get get divorce back on board fund.
3690 said good luck. With that, yeah, it's gonna take more than
3697. From time to time, I'll say hey, you know, there's this
place and you know, and it's a bank and we could have SATs go
there or Bitcoin. And they actually put it directly into
our bank account. He just ignores those emails. You won't
even you won't even acknowledge I sent them. They go to spam, or
whatever. Yeah, relaxed mails in his 22 to 22 big road dogs. And
he's so fountain. He says do have a question for you. Is
there a site for the super newbie trying to use podcasting
2.0 A friend Amy is wanting to use this, but don't know where
to start. And I'm not finding any place that has all the
resources to be able to easily learn how to learn the how tos.
Also, no sir the relaxed male is not a MGT O W Site, nor is it a
red pill site. The relaxed male is a site that helps men to take
control of their lives without playing the victim. Find more
apt relaxed male.com Go podcasting. Yo yo go well, I was
gonna almost
so I'm not sure did you want to start as a listener as a
podcaster I guess as a podcaster See, this is the problem. He
said people say this sometimes they say how do I start with
podcasting 2.0 And I don't know whether they mean like the tags
and the namespace or that they mean value for value, I don't
know right?
Be more clear and send another boost and we'll help you if you
want to start with value for value if that's what you're
wanting
lots of good at, I would suggest to go to podcaster wallet and
claim your feed and then there's a there's links there in the
podcast or what dashboard to each of the services where you
can sign up to do it and I would suggest you click on some of
those links in just read because like Fountain has a really good
guide Alvey has a good guide to she stream I'll be in Fountain
nice
I'm here all weekend.
Yeah, just click,
click, click on this stuff, click on those links and just
read about them and see, you know, they're pretty clear
they'll tell you want to do that. Like if it's like the tags
and things like that just post your question jump on podcasts
and so social or whatever NASA will it will help you out or
value for value dot info. You want to learn about value for
value the international lifestyle and there are some
guides some points there to some guides.
Stick I'm still laughing about that. Mitch says 3333 from pod
verse. Thanks, Mitch. Thank you, buddy. No note, Dave Jackson
from the school of podcasting podcasting Hall of Famer pod
verse he says great show is always in honor of international
podcast day. Any chance of hearing the daily source intro
for old times sake? Oh,
I don't know if I have it. DSC opener. I will read that on a
path to Redux.
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anymore. Once you do, I was gonna do something incredibly
cute and start a song but now I can't find the song. So so.
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Linkin Park rolls send us 10,000 sets. Thank you Linkin Park. No
note.
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the pod version. He says pretty sure Obama was drinking hot dog
flavored water
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I just take it back? Well fix it and post no one will ever
notice. Do it. Okay, all right, here we go. Just just for my own
vibe.
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thank God, it's Friday, everybody. Turn up the knob and
ribbon
this oh man, you can't take you can't take the DJ out of the
guy. You just can't do it. It was so good when I do that.
You're just full of joy. You're so full of joy when you do that.
I love it. I was that guy from the opening? Yeah. All right.
Oh, sorry. Mike, you still there? Yes, it was great.
User. Let's see we got a we got a boost 2020 52 through fountain
from user 8879640 a 1264210. He says, Thank you for this early
work in helping build this value for value infrastructure. You've
inspired our high school robotics team. Oh, Nightcrawler
2052 Here in Minnesota to start our own weekly podcast as a way
to distribute information to our supporters and fans. Oh, cool.
Nice. It is another exciting update in our learning process
with new technology and the possibilities that opens up. Let
me hear let me hear you. Holla. Hey, let us know when you're up.
Yeah, I'll subscribe. And we'll promote it.
Oh, man, that's great. Nervous nother nerd podcast. Yeah, but
who gets the sass the school system or the or the teacher?
What has that word? No. They
know that. Everybody? Everybody on the team gets a split. Yeah.
Because that's what I would say.
Mike Dell 3002 sets. He says a pod ping from power press boost
go podcasting?
Yeah, I haven't been talking about that. That's the I'm
seeing the power press boost. I mean, power press pod things
come through. Yeah, that's dynamite. I want to get to I
really want to get Horowitz on all this stuff. But yeah, that's
well, because he's stuck in Lipson land, or I don't know if
he's on blueberry, or I, you know, he had Feedburner in the
middle of his chain somehow and a whole bunch of and so we
finally worked it all out with him. But now I don't remember.
But you know, his his he does everything on WordPress. And so,
you know, that is kind of the downside, when you're using a
WordPress with a certain plugin that works a certain way. You
can't just add something else to it. And then it will mess up the
site because he likes to just make one post and it posts on
the website and it does the podcast, but I don't know. Is he
is he using PowerPress? Or what's the you know, WordPress?
I'm not sure. Okay, he's using something that used to connect
to feed burner for your pod feed burner. Yeah, don't even get me
started.
Frank Ducey. Well, I mean, he could claim his podcast and the
podcaster wallet and be done with Yeah, but I don't want to
help him screw him.
Franco Celerio from Casta Mannix thank you everybody Franco's
since 1038 sets, no note. Thank you Franco Bomer I was looking
forward to a note from Franco, Brian of London and hive Dao
50,003 88 sets Z for V app and he says, Shana Tova and Mahatma
Tova to all the shapeshifters in the audience
I was touched on October
Yeah. So Shana, Happy New Year Happy Shana. Tova Shun. Not a
lot, but I've always pronounced that Shana Tova. What about
Gamar Hatoyama Tova
G. Mar, I think I dated her in college.
Wow, she's a wild girl. He is. Yeah, she's nice.
Thanks, Brian. Dovid us through fountain of dividends from our
system.
Lu, he's not sure we 25,013 says he's not sure I agree on the
extent of the problem regarding music uploads and legality.
People could already upload someone else's content without
these new tags. Anchor is facing challenges because their service
is free. Ours is blue is not free. But that means that we can
not only afford to offer great customer support, we can also
detect content uploaded by malicious actors. Oh great stead
of using unreliable detection tools now. Hey, I'm all for it.
Man. I love you guys for doing it. Don't get me wrong, I
support you. 100% just just want to protect you brother.
Todd Cochrane 55,420 Sasser fountain Oh, hello. He says big
thanks today for coming on the new media show and giving us two
hours of his time. response so far have been interesting. Lots
of things from independent podcasters but it's been pretty
much crickets from podcasts companies still haven't had this
much fun in many years with my clothes on go find castings it's
so that so the livestream ended weirdly and I had sent three
boosts I think he got them all did he read heard them all? Did
he read the last one? Yeah, where you said Take your shirt
off big boy.
Because he was like, this is the most fun I've had with my
clothes. I'm like, 50,000 set aside to take. Take your shirt
off big boy.
They did read that. Okay. Yeah, he did. Yeah, you had that one
to raise.
That was awesome. Yeah. Thanks, Todd. It was great fun. Yeah.
Had a good time. If you miss if anybody cares that we just went
through the whole No, it was a great episode. If you can watch
the video, the whole slide deck that the Dave presented at
Podcast Movement
except for some Invalid XML on one of the slides that I caught.
That's like, I I would never catch involved. I mean, how many
times I've screwed up my RSS feed. Yeah, that's my job. But
I know you put some XML on on a slide. Oh, wait a minute. That's
invalid. Dave. I'm
texting him during the show. Man. It's Invalid XML and a page
bro.
Made me feel like a douche. But it was really it was very good.
In fact, that's for our previous guy. Our previous booster, go
take a look at that. Just just it's a great tutorial, great
primer, primer, whatever you want to call it that just really
kind of gets you into Alright, these are all the things that
come again. May I just say I got blessed Todd Cochran again, man,
he has seen the light he is he's, he's all in he's like, Oh,
I think he's kind of like shoot, I should have been all in
already. And he says Make it as much yeah, it's good. Um, so and
this is going to differentiate his company to say they're
putting their money where their mouth is man pod pod paying
through PowerPress Yeah, that's cool. That's that's that's not a
small undertaking. And Castillo's did it, you know, a
few months ago with seriously simple plugin. And it's it
requires work. That's a real commitment in and I'm really
grateful that they did that. Because that, that brings in,
that brings in a lot more feeds. PowerPress is got a big base,
big install base. And so like that, that helps us so the pod
ping not to get too far off the rails here. But the pod pod ping
is a discovery tool for us. We and everybody I mean, not just
us, everybody who watches the pod ping blockchain can find new
feeds this way. But the fees that are really hard to find,
like really hard to find our feeds that are independently
hosted on things like WordPress, and they're not in iTunes,
right? That means you pretty much have to just randomly come
across them on a on an internet crawl.
That's not common.
So having those podcasts and I've seen some of them come
through things like like a Jewish. There were some one that
came through the other day. It's like a Jewish podcast. It's not
an iTunes. And it's like a it's almost like a local synagogue. I
mean, we didn't have it. We didn't even know this thing
existed. And we wouldn't have known it existed without
popping. So this is fantastic. I'm a really appreciate.
Appreciate blueberry and Castillo's putting that into
their WordPress product. Yes, that is very helpful scrim.
Bouverie 21 112 Since a big rush boosts through boost CLI because
he's old school like that, and he says, I think I know the
answer already. Does rock Finn qualify as V for V. Also Adams
thoughts about video podcasts are confirmed true. Audio Only
is more mysterious. There's a mystique. The mental mindfuck
can be nice.
Boost. I don't know about rock fan. I don't know what Ron Thane
I don't know I think about it when
there's some sort of tipping thing and I was watching.
I was watching their show last night live stream for a while as
I was prepping for the show today. And I saw the little
tipping thing at the top and it and stayed zero the whole show.
So tipping doesn't work. Yeah, yep, yep, yep. Brooklyn. See
Brooklyn 112 gave us 3333 through curio caster, he says.
Happy International podcast day. Yes. Thank you. Thanks to Chris.
Blueberry again 17 776 Mega Liberty boost. Through pod
verse. He says lavish now went oh, wait, that's the one you
read earlier. Yeah.
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There he is. 15,033 cents. Through fountain he says Howdy,
David. Adam. Your audiences invited to our podcast with news
about artificial intelligence narrated by soon to be famous TV
Show Developer Gregory William Forsythe Foreman from England,
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stay safe with Jesus yo.
Very much comic strip blogger. Yeah, thanks, chemistry boy.
Thank you, I
guess the monthlies here through Pay Pal drips God give us $15
Thank you. Thank you, Bruce. Jeff Miller $20 Michael Kimmerer
$5.33 Leslie Martin $2 Aaron Renaud $5 and Pedro Gon calvess
$5 That's our group. Thank you all so much for contributing
value back to the project to the show. podcast index.org right
there on the homepage we explain what we do we explain what the
money is used for. Spoiler we're not getting any
you can also find a PayPal link there and QR codes don't let's
see if anyone used it after all those years of asking let's see.
Have we checked that recently? Usually there's nothing but I
just want to make sure that someone didn't give us a million
dollars in Bitcoin and we missed it that would really be sad.
Spencer said in the chat he says a rock fan you check the quote
these bros on my shit box to join. Okay, this podcast
index.org sites not loading. I mean it's loading but then it
goes away. It's like the like a JavaScript or something is
hijacking it.
See word up when it came up through?
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That was to me to
wait, maybe I need to block some. Yeah, my lb popped up.
Could it be an lb thing? Let's see podcast. index.org. Get on.
Let me turn on. Let me turn on, I gotta put shields back up.
Shields up.
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type air as a type error failed to construct media metadata.
HTTPS can't be resolved to a valid URL. We have an issue. We
have a problem.
What does that what is going on? No idea. This this is a bunch of
stuff. Whenever it says there's a problem in bundle dot j s
that's a that's like a web pack thing. I have no idea what it
is.
Well, I don't know. I think if we wait long enough, it'll fix
it. Oh, no, of course it will. But
I propose we do nothing. Now. What was I gonna do? Oh, I was
only trying to find the tally coin address. All right. Well,
we'll have to Okay. If you go to it's just the homepage that's
doing that the Apps page is okay. The stats page is good.
I'm telling you it has something to do with the with this. It's
trying to bring up the image in the player the random the rails
show the slider? Yeah, I think that's a carousel. Here's a
carousel because I see that loading and then it then it
flashes away. Yeah, it'll fix itself. Yes. Let me see if I
want to get to that page. I want to see what it's trying to load.
I can't can't get it. All right. Nevermind.
What were we even trying to do? I forgot.
I don't know. I was gonna look at tally coin. I was gonna look
at Oh, yeah.
Support cards, and here it is.
Okay.
And yeah, okay. Well, I should have nothing is usual now.
Nope. Last one, from August 26. It was from Drib.
Mike, how does it does it make money and are you making any
money?
We're not like I mean, we are our costs are pretty low. We
actually do a lot of the a lot of the computation locally, and
then we push stuff up to Amazon. So it's a pretty low overhead
thing to keep up. But now we don't make money yet. Well,
how's your
What's your plan to make money? Are you going to do charge
premium? Or are you going to do value for value? Like, what do
you have? You have an idea about value for value, I think tooling
for, for folks that are looking for
maybe like, you could imagine an advertiser trying to find a
podcast. There's, there's a couple of tools out there
already for that, but I don't they mostly rely on Apple's 100
categories. And so I think giving somebody a million ways
to find the podcasts that are relevant could be, you know, a
big, big win.
We're mostly looking at those kinds of kinds of models to make
money. Okay. Okay. That's cuz, I mean, we ever just put something
in the app where people can pay you.
We will, I guess there'll be the with the via, for you just just
general like Patreon or something? Well, either way, I
mean, like a premium, you know, purchase, like a, you know,
annual subscription or something like that, or a value for you
know, or taking a cut of value for value. Because I mean, all
these apps, if you if you have a subscription, I mean, I'll do it
I do I do it with all of them. It's, you know, for support, and
then I'm sure
you know, it brings in with the search, because our IV is going
to be on my rotation now, because
I didn't realize until a few days ago when I started playing
with it, that how strong the search was, and that's really
valuable. So I know it's I agree. I agree. I think it's
really valuable. And
yeah, I personally, I like the value for value more than the
subscriptions. Dave just wants to give you money. So just give
him a QR code. Yes to me. Yeah. Give me your ABI wallet, and
I'll send you some money.
Sounds great.
Did you have a chance to send me your?
Your your Albea wallet address? Yes, I'm sending it right. Okay,
good. Good. Because we're nearing the end. And you know, I
just like to get it done. Get it up, get it out. But But Bada
bing, bada boom.
We get we need to talk about face six. The namespace. But I
mean, we might just want to wait until next week, or what do you
think? Well, we're two hours or two hours in? Do you have a job?
I do actually have one. Do you want to keep your job?
Talk about namespace things. Six and no. Yeah, jobs are good. So
if we can have the podcast industrial complex, stop putting
their foot in their mouth, we won't have to talk about him so
much on the next at the next board meeting. That's true. And
nothing will happen this week that will cause us to be
distracted. So we can go straight. We can go straight to
the namespace on the next show. Yep, yep. Yep. Hey, Mike, man,
thank you so much. And you and your wife for for iv.fm. And I
actually tried to load it on my graphene OS through the the
virtual store and I'm having some trouble. So I'm gonna see
if I can get that loaded. But even but I agree with Dave, the
search is phenomenal. I really liked that. And I appreciate
that. And I want to check my stats. Um, I guess the stats,
like stats, man, I gotta go check myself as cool. The one
you haven't, by the way, the websites back by the way, it's
60. So yeah, of course. Of course. My job here is done.
All right, Dave. Everything good. We are cool. Yeah,
everything's great. Yeah. Had a great time. Thanks, Mike. And,
yeah, I'm good. I'm just
heading for getting back to work. And then got the weekend.
I think I'm gonna work on cleaning up some of the
formatting for namespace for the face six, and then I've got to
pull in John Chinggis, soundbytes improvement
proposals. And so hopefully, by the end of the weekend, I will
have everything ready to go for namespace six discussions. And
then
I'm actually going to gonna try to carve out some time for that.
For the massive dump of the boost as I want to work on that
massive dumps coming.
All right. Thanks, brother. Mike. Thank you so much, man. So
you'd say hi to the to your better half who clearly is doing
the work. Alright. Yes.
And thank you chatroom. Thank you, everybody for attending the
board meeting podcasting. 2.0 We'll be back next Friday.
Namespace six we promise See you then everybody bye bye.
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