worried that? Podcasting 2.0 for October 7 2022 Episode 105 We
got a bombshell. Hello, everybody. Welcome to podcasting
2.0 The weekly board meeting of exactly that namesake? What is
happening? How do we do it? What is this value for value thing?
Do you finally think you could give us an update about the
namespace? Or, hey, why don't we all just go look at podcast
index.org and see we can do this better. This is all that we
discuss here in the board meeting. Podcasting 2.0 I'm Adam
curry in the heart of the Texas Hill Country and an Alabama the
man who feeds sheep with Bitcoin say hello to my friend on the
other end, ladies and gentlemen, Mr. Dave Jones
at the International namespace day.
Alright, let's mark that down October 7, International
namespace day.
I mean, everybody, everybody, just evidently there's this, the
wild west out there, you can just make anything
International, whatever you want to date. Mark it down October 7.
I know I'm always surprised this international podcast day and
then it's podcast birthday. And then and then I realized, you
know, I'm, it's funny, you bring that up, cuz I was gonna, I was
gonna talk about this eventually. Like, I hear so many
people in the industry, the podcast industrial complex,
talking about you know, how young the industry is, we're
just getting started. I'm like, wait a minute. It's almost been
20 years and we still haven't figured out how to really
measure downloads. You know, we're still having these
discussions and arguments and now and, and it's a young
knowable and young industry but you know, 1010 Spotify shows go
away and maybe a small percentage of their overall but
you know that what is that maybe a million dollars worth?
Because, you know, they just pouring money in everywhere.
It's not coming back. marketing marketing budgets are being
slashed everywhere. And I just I'd want to be a little
realistic with people is like, I don't see it. I don't see it.
The Yeah, The bleeding has started in earnest. I mean, not
just not just in podcasting, but across the border.
Everything. Yes, everything Yeah, but even out now you're
gonna see the cracks are starting to appear.
Oh, God, we we got to make a profit. Oh my god, what are we
gonna do? I mean, well,
that's exactly the problem. It wasn't it was not a problem
until we had to show profit. I was just listening in the in the
car. Lift. Lift is like they they spend 125%. So, so they'll
never be profitable. And everyone here the analysts are
saying, well, you know, we just don't see much upside because it
doesn't look like they can ever make money. Yeah, and that's
because, you know, the capital markets were there and freely
available for very, for very little, you know, we're gonna
see another rate hike, obviously, that's, it's, it's
out of control. Nobody knows what to do. But what everyone's
trying to do is sit that's what Bitcoin, like Bitcoin goes down,
because the dollar is the most desired thing right now in the
world, because everyone knows the interest rates are gonna go
up, and they have loans in dollars, they have to pay off.
So it's, you know, the, the better, the better get those
dollars now.
So, landing is the name of a company that was there's a local
guy, I think his name is Bill Smith, very, very generic name,
but he's kind of a big deal locally in Birmingham. So Bill
Smith, created this company called shipped Shi pt.
And yeah, I've heard of this. Yeah,
they're, I mean, this is the standard grocery delivery type
deal, you know, but they started local and they had to deal with
Publix grocery stores. That was their first big partnership. And
so they were like exclusive with Publix. And you will target came
in and bought them. I think five years ago, maybe four years ago.
That target bought them for like $550 million. The so then he
left? Chips, you know, he got his exit after he tested or
whatever. Yeah, he got out. And then he goes and he starts this
thing called landing. And landing is this company that is
like a national network of apartments or temporary
residencies for people who are bouncing back and forth between
between residences and like, so then they, as they started this
thing, well, they just announced today. They started it, I think
two years ago. It was headquartered in San Francisco.
Then it moved the headquarters to Birmingham. Long story short,
they're laying off 110 People today because I mean, the You
know, everybody's got to show profit. Now. This is not, this
is not how the exits work. You're not supposed to have to
show a profit. You're supposed to get out early. And it just is
like things finally caught up and it's like, oh crap, we
profits not in our none in our business plan.
Yeah. And I think I warned for this very scenario. I said that
this was coming. Yeah. Because people forget I'm from the
future. How many times do I have to remind you? Well, so so back
to podcasting. I've been listening to different
interviews and you know, just you know, I listened to the
regular stuff, but it's, it's really been a lot of interesting
things to take in. And it finally, it kind of hit me I
understand now what the industry is the podcast industrial
complex, and why there's a call for equity and all of this
because if you look at this Hollywood, Hollywood Reporter
most influential list and podcasting limits it's where
it's you know, it's where all the money is it's literally
where all the money is centered. And the weirdest one in there as
Joe Rogan he's also not very high on the list that put him in
the middle somewhere. But you know, it's and it's all you
know, people especially on the industry side, coming from
Amazon coming from NPR and you know, it's, it's like and they
kind of brought in their their Hollywood newness and their and
I'm sure money as well came with them people following this
talent, but I don't think they're really seeing the ROI
just feels like that to me. So it remains very, very small and
if you look at the if you look at that's where the money is,
that's where this billion dollars is that I keep hearing
about. And it's you know, it's not you can't just start your
podcast grow your audience and then the dynamically inserted
ads pay your rent is just not like that. And that's admit but
that's admitted, you know, it's admitted and tada Todd Rundgren,
Todd Cochran would be would he be the first to admit that you
know, and he's no he actually thinks that's very important
that people have realized realistic expectations but you
know, in that group Yeah, that's a very close click and they're
calling that the podcast industry and outside of that is
where it really all the all the beauty is where all the
beautiful things live where all the fun is and sometimes the
danger and you know it's it's it's outside that portal where
it gets really interesting
look looking at this list we'll see the first is will our net
Jason bay that means a very very, very funny
podcast by the way and we have listened to it once or twice
very funny I get the jokes not really from me. But you know
money Oh, yeah, they got big contract to do that. Sure. And
you have you know, Team Coco bought for 150 million Yeah, so
there's a lot of you know, this is why you get some some of
those players on the inside you know, buying now admitted pretty
much scam listens inside game apps which are intended for the
purpose, you know, to keep this facade going and you know, the
advertisers are kind of being suckered along for the ride.
They maybe make goods and some of these radio dual plays. But
it's, it's kind of pathetic. And it's really not at all what I
feel. I mean, even when we first started off and NPR and
everyone's kind of on the same level, and you know, in trying
to pull it towards their own platforms, it's just become
incestuous. But I think they're gonna discover it too. You see
that with Spotify is like, Oh, crap. We can't pull this shit
off. Anyway, these were gimlet shows and he's not supposed to
be the creme de la creme
like, well, gimlet, are they so did gimlet. Are they part of the
whole? The Union thing? Did they unionize? I think so they were
right. Because that thinks that's going to destroy those
companies. All those companies that unionized are going to I
mean, they're gonna collapse. At some point. I mean,
well, well, thank you. You make a good point. The best podcasts
in my in my opinion, I'm not talking about audio products,
but the things that excite us the things that we find your
gyms that we have build community around, that aren't
necessarily mainstream, you know, done differently, or the
Kara Swisher said it's just radio reimagined.
How about I've got a I've got a print. I've got a gift for you.
Oh, you do? Yes. It's a clip. Is it is a clip from Prof. G.
Okay, is this Can I unwrap it now?
Yeah, sure. Go ahead, Rick. Today pearls.
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Galloway. Okay, thank you very much. Oh, my goodness.
This is it. This must be the news. Silicon Valley is this new
Silicon Valley thing is like, feigning contempt and dis
disinterest, that's,
well, that's really him. Because he can't live with him. So he,
this is a typical example of someone who can't ask for
something sincerely, he would never make it in value for
value. No, actually, I want it, I wanted to talk about value for
value per second, let's just leave the add stuff for what it
is. Plenty of other people can talk about that. People really
don't understand the ask, you know, they're struggling with
it. And why don't we just use this, this podcast as an
example. Now, in this case, we have a project attached attached
to the podcast. So this is very specific way of doing it in some
ways, it might actually be harder, in some ways, it might
be easier. But once you lay out the ground rules, and we say, we
believe we've created incredible value, and you remind people of
it, that's when the lights start to go off. And something happens
within the human psyche that I can't really explain. But
there's you know, there's, there's a lot of what makes
people give and, and what motivates them. And it has to do
also with community and with emotions, and your own past your
own history, etc. Your childhood, how your mom
psychologically abused
you. It's okay, sweetheart. And here's tissue
so so I believe that people support this show what you and I
are doing and this project, because of the value we've
created, not because we're funny enough, it helps not because
we're good looking, obviously, that helps. A lot. But for the
value we've created, let me just give you just in what is it now
two and a half years? And we have we hit two and a half
years, we hit two years? To over two. Yeah, wherever to you look
at some of the value of created this podcast index.org itself,
we kind of just talk about like the index. But you have created
this, this incredible. I mean, it's a hybrid type beast like a
chimera, because it lives publicly and replicates itself.
You know, and it's fused away, but you can tap into it and suck
off of it all day. I mean,
well, that's explicit to you.
But I'm envisioning like a monster, you know, but it's not
really it's a friendly monster. And it's this oozing ball of
stuff and, and plop, a blob goes off once a week, and people can
use that and create their own monster at home.
Biochemistry speaking, it replicates by budding. There you
go, there you go. So we've spawned out of this. Besides the
obvious fun and creativity, we have people who have built
services and apps have added to their I mean, hosting companies
have have an add new competitive edge. There are investors and
advisors, and new customers and new audiences. All these things
came out of the value that we started to put together and then
people who receive that value. And that can also be people who
use podcasts, people who podcast it's, it's the entire universe.
There's something inside that goes, Oh, yeah, that's valuable.
And I like that to continue. And I know that, you know, this, I
do this and whatever that is, for you is exactly what it is
exactly. Right. And somehow is, you know, no one can explain it
to me. I can't explain it either. But for some reason it
works. And I could we could probably make a biblical
argument. I can make it like a universal life force argument.
Give us the give us the Scripture, Dave. description
that explains this.
Yes. Second Jesus, verse three.
Wouldn't that be cool if you went oh, well, Adam
is right here right here. I mean, so Twitter on Twitter,
there was some conversation like what? Okay, the different tweak
tips in value for value. And you know, I gave it a shot and then
you came in and said, we'll do the same thing you just be your
wealth. What did you say exactly? What was your exact
wording? I don't have Twitter in front of me. Oh,
it's the exact same thing it asked for tips, you get tips ask
for value. And all of a sudden the magic happens.
Right? So the in the value the thing that we you know, we
there's the technical side of this podcast and then there As
the value for this podcast is an ongoing ever arching you know
ever never ending try attempt to explain the value for value
concept.
It's also a it's also the only meeting we ever have. It is
everything else is just hey, how you doing? Here's a link yeah,
great love you Love you too have a nice day
at work. It is. It's like, Hey, did you see Allah sent me this
thing about sheep eaten Bitcoin feed? Pretty much. Which, which,
by the way was awesome. Can I please build that I really want
to build
it was kind of weird because so what we're talking about is
this, I guess it's lightning enabled. And there's a camera
and there's a sheep and then when someone pays for the
invoice or you know, sends it Satoshis then some some feed
drops out of this little pipe out of the wall. But the thing
is, the sheep knows now he just has his mouth around the pipe it
was highly disturbing to watch. And then you hear the you see
little Bitcoin logo, ching ching ching. And it's wrong. It's
wrong in so many ways.
This is hilarious. And I want to do this animal cruelty is what
it is. No, it's not they love it. They love Bitcoin, their
Max. Max. Max is the in so you feed the you scan the little QR
code and and and Alex sent it to me. And I was like, Are you
kidding me what the eff is. So then I come back. And I'm
sitting there staring at this and there's no way this works.
And I scan the QR code and it's like it just spit out some feed.
I was like, Are you kidding me? So then I'm like, I respond to
respond to Alex. I'm like, Man, I can't help it. I did it. I had
to do it add in an Alice replied. And he's like, he's
like, Man, I did it like this sheep, the sheep are in a grand
experiment that they never say they will never understand.
It's like, you know what it reminds me of the early days of
the internet. And we had webcams I had the Empire camera in my
office in like, yeah, it was the 1990s. And, you know, so I had
like a Logitech one of those ball cams. Yeah, took a shot
every, you know, every minute or whatever. And then you just
posted that with a timestamp. And you had all these different
cams all around the world. It's kind of that that early vibe of
what kind of you know, of course, even before that, you
had the internet coffee machine, which was hooked up. University
was hooked up at and you could see the status of the coffee. If
it had to be made or not.
I'm thinking we need to do this. I mean, like there has to be
this has opened up so much creative juice. I mean, like you
could scan you know pay to have I got it. I got it. Okay,
there's it's the jukebox, the internet jukebox. So you can
have the weed at the podcast you box. Somebody needs to build
this for the hackathon, the podcast, you box, you scan a QR
code and that gets in then you have a suggestion that you want
to queue into the jukebox like Graham, Graham, boost the
podcast index ID of the one you want to queue up another
episode, you want to queue up next. I mean, there's like a
million this programmable money makes things just
and I'll say that not everyone agrees with with exactly what
they're doing. But I think fountain is Oscar and those guys
are having a good time with with lightning. I think they're doing
really in. I'm not an advisor. I think they're doing really
interesting. I'm not an advisor. I want to disclose that. But you
know what I mean? It's like, there's lots of great. That's
another thing I want to say. So the most enjoyable for me has
been a lot of things have been enjoyable. I really love all the
developers, developers, developers, throwback to Steve
Ballmer. Anybody know? Yeah,
Ballmer
is the developers of so interesting. And I love how they
think I love how they communicate. I love what they
build. It's like I feel very privileged to be in the middle
of artists. And I think part of the value of what we've created
with basically an API that costs nothing. You please come ahead
and use it. Is it for podcast developers, then? You know, you
were using the Apple API. You I know in the back of your mind,
you felt kind of like snooping. You know, it felt like kind of
weird. I'm sure it did. And now it's just like, hey, you know,
it's like, you know, you're not going to kicked off and you
know, we're all Playing in the same sandbox here where
everyone's keeping it fair. I think, you know, we have API
abuse. But that's really from bots and other crap. I'm sure
it's scammers and spammers, but you know, and people are really
respectful. And it's such a beautiful way of working
together. It is, again, one of the most rewarding things for me
personally. So I know the value I'm getting out of it. But I
think that, you know, on mass, that's why people continue to
support it and continue to move everything forward.
That's an interesting way to describe it, that you feel like
with Apple's API, because it grew up out of this sort of
weird nobody ever said you could use it, but you use it thing.
It's like, when you go and jump over somebody's fence in the
neighborhood and swim in their pool at night, when they when
there's when that venue and you just hope they don't wake up and
find all right. Yeah. Yeah. Like this is like, no, no, everybody
come in, get a drink and get a pineapple drink with an
umbrella.
Grab a towel.
Grab a towel, do the big beach beach ones getting in just have
fun. Yes,
cannonballs, belly flops are encouraged. Yes,
you have always loved developers, there's something
about you, you've always loved working with coders,
because I know how hard it is to break through to where you're
actually a developer, I've never achieved it. And I can see the
ceiling and I just recognize where my limits on what I can
do. And I've always felt like I'm, I'm probably best suited,
translating between different worlds. No, I think that's what
daily source code, I was kind of telling the world what we were
doing. At the same time talking about what to develop without
really being a coder or anything or a software engineer. I
understand the concepts, you know, you can walk me through
something, I'll get it. Something was gonna say about
that?
Yeah, well, me You've always you've always been able to, you
may not, you may not read the code, but you understand what's
trying to be done. And that makes it that makes it easy the
translation layer, like that's what makes people if you're
talking about value. I mean, I don't know about, you know,
necessarily off the cuff, how to translate that into what we're
doing. But from, at least in the business world, and I think this
applies to many other worlds as well. The having somebody who's
able to do the translation is that is alone is very valuable,
because you need, like you see the people within it, or within
the just the world of technology in general, who in the business
world who are able to interface between management, and writers
or management and developers, because there really is it's
like two different worlds, you need a liaison or somebody to
help plug those two things in. And it's not easy. So like, I've
really realized that this is an interesting discussion, because
I realized the other day, that those are the podcasts and the
things that I enjoy the most, or the or the podcasts that I feel
like are the most valuable, or when I'm being explained things
when I'm listening to somebody who has that interface property
about them. Yeah, now that I mean, like, I'm so apt to give
money to give money and to support those docile types of
people because they're rare.
So I remembered what I was going to say that with my infinite
translation skills, I really messed one up good. And it's
really only become apparent to me now. Maybe because I'm
involved with so many other apps individually. Now, it just does
so many apps. You know, I'm using almost every single app
and I tried to keep tabs on what everybody's doing and their
stuff is escaping me just going quite fast. But the middle when
I recently had a cock up with an upload I might as well take
a minute thing that Yeah.
Yeah, it's so painful.
What? What happened? Tell me about this eight minute thing.
Okay.
And the remind me to come back to why I was telling this story.
Oh, no, no, no, I don't want to break your flow. Go. No, no, no,
no, I'm
gonna do it. Alright, it's worth it because people don't people.
People don't understand how this works. So actually, I can tell
the story after I tell you the problem. So here's where I
messed up. The majority of podcast users who listen to
podcast in their mind and their mental map their mental image of
how this works. After I'm done with the show, I upload it to
Apple. I upload it to Spotify. I upload it to Google, I upload it
to Amazon, I upload it to Julio Castro, I upload it to overcast,
I upload it to all these different what they call
platforms. And and so they will I mean, the language is all over
my Twitter feed is all over my email. Hey man, did you forget
to upload the overcast or I can't believe the upload worked
on Apple, but it just fill in the blank. Really interesting.
So here's what I did wrong just to give you because people,
people don't understand the mechanism, they really don't I
don't know if we have to explain it to them. But here's the
problem that I had. And a lot of this has to do with the caching
on our server. So for some reason, my upload of the mp3
file of no agenda broke, and I didn't realize it, and I thought
I had just completed. So I spin up sovereign feeds, I do a Save
and then export file a public show. And then I upload that to
the server. And then I, I catch my my error. Before I've you
know, quote, unquote, pinged anything but you know, now we
know how this goes with caching, like, Oh, crap. So I, I removed
the RSS file, and then I, and then I re uploaded the mp3 file.
Got that. All right, and republish the RSS, but for some
reason, it had cached that the show was only eight minutes long
in the in his head, you know, like the length of the file
length. Yeah, yeah. So even though during the duration
duration, right, and so and I later corrected that, but by
that time, you know, the amount of caching going on an apps and
you know, being able to time, the cache Buster on on my on our
CDN, to, to a pod ping, it was just it was a clusterfuck it was
Phoebe. She doesn't like it when I swear I'm sorry.
No, no, yeah. Put your money in the swear jar. swear jar.
I'm here. Yep. So anyway, it just I'm just saying that as a
point of reference that, that in the communication of how
podcasting works. That's generally how people feel about
it. And that's the mental image they have. And I'm not saying
that's bad. But it's something you need to need to bear in
which is okay, yeah, she didn't like me swearing. No, she's
okay.
Yes, I'd love the swear jar.
Thank you. Thank you, darling. She's not
Oh, it's Phoebe being escorted out.
Yes. Yes. He removed Yeah, she is. From the she just been led
into which is interesting.
No, man, that's, that's shameful. Just getting the walk
of shame. I mean, well, you know, this is okay. Wait, wait.
But um, before I change gears that you need to you gotta go
back to your other story right.
Now. That was the story about the Okay, sorry about the
upload.
Okay. The, you know, I've learned something as well. So we
need to talk about podcast namespace stuff. That's, that's
important. We got to do get to do that. It's on my list as we
talk about faith, because you got face to face six, but I want
to I want to do a precursor precursory. Is that a word
precursor? It
is now? Okay.
precursory. Man, I invented a word and rehearsal day on the
same day
precursor. You can have a precursor. So I guess you can do
something. precursory.
It's, this is precursor Oriole. Nice. I'm making it better. The
net. So this is about naming things. So
I know you're long enough. Okay. Yeah, I'm ready for the floor is
yours, sir.
Okay. I learned something about this. And it was not something I
was looking for. But it's one of those things that I was thankful
for. Oh, and you know, you know, well, my stance about the names
of things. My standard answer is I don't care what we name it.
That's all that's always been the thing I've done. We
it's kind of like, I don't care what color it is. As long as
it's an m&m.
Yes, yes, exactly. As long as it's tasty and melts in your
mouth, not in your hand. I don't care what we call it. Good to
go. Good to go. So, I was talking about this with Melissa.
Because we had a new wind that we've been discussing this
proposal for the TX T tag, or the text tag. And Daniel popped
into the thread and said, I don't think we should name it
this I think we should name it some The nails, which he is apt
to do is one it's one thing that he does is he talks about the
names of things. And so we went, we went back and forth and back
and forth. And at one point I got frustrated because you
buckled. No, I did not bow I did not buckle. I did not but you
named it too meta. I'd well I did name it to meta, and then,
okay, well, maybe I buckled okay, I named it the meta. And
then that was universally hated, it seems. And then, so I said,
You know what? Via you know, Ted, Ted Hoffman from Apple
brought this tag to the to the land of the living. He can name
it. Because it's his baby. He gets the name this thing. That
was my solution to the naming issue is to divert it to is to
make a direct eye. Yeah, no, it was good. I followed this. He
had an argument which I found compelling. Can I introduce so
the argument that I saw was, well, this is a familiar field
for DNS records. And that's how it felt to me. I'm like, I've
done so many authentication things. I've done lots of DNS.
Oh, that makes sense to me.
That's it. Yeah, that yep, that's exactly right. And that's
so there's, I can give you the arguments for why the name of
anything doesn't matter. So the name of it, this goes back to,
you know, rules for standard makers, the names don't matter.
Because we're developers, and we can learn to use anything.
Developers, these tags will never be seen by him by actual
human beings, they will only be seen by meat eating dungeon
dwellers, who are creating software,
which is exactly what Apple said, when they created the
iTunes namespace.
Yes, the. So the perfect example of this is Apple's use of this
new property in their AV kit library. It's called something
like a V URL HTTP asset user agent key. Okay, now, nobody, no
human being can actually remember the name of this thing.
But you don't have to. Because it autocompletes in your ID.
You can do Command F Ctrl. Yes.
And then you hover your mouse over the name of this thing, and
it pops up documentation that says, here's what this thing
does. And by the time he in no human being will ever see this
thing.
Wait, what Id do you use?
I use PHP storm Docker. Thank you. Yes. And so the, the idea
here is that no, but no, by the time that humans aren't
interacting with the TX T tag, they're interacting with their
hosting company, right. And their hosting company is
translating the things that they see on the screen into in the
background, what becomes a TXT tag. So the names of these
things don't matter. We could literally call it Ice Cream
Sandwich. That can be the name of the tag. And as long as we
all know what it does, and that
a version of Android Ice Cream.
We could call it Bitcoin goat feed. And that would be that
would be absolutely fine. Okay, that's the that's the that's the
argument here. But here, here's what, but here's what I
discovered though. So I'm telling my wife about this. And
I'm like, Okay. Was there there's as I told him, like, you
know, all this bickering about naming things. It's just, you
know, get on my nerves. It's annoying. I'm, I'm distracted. I
hate I hate this. And she said in her simple question to me
was, well, if you don't care about what's nice about what the
name of it is, well, then why do you care so much.
harsh, harsh reality of a heritage woman?
Is that look, I hear this tomato now. It's
good now heritage woman. You want one of those? Okay. Oh,
God. Well, I got one. Yeah. And I know you do.
I know. You got one. And my response was, No. You got me.
You got me
Nailed it. Nailed it. I'm glad it's t x t though. Okay, so I
said, I don't care. I don't care what your wife says.
She's not my wife. Right. So I said, Well, you know, that's a
good point. Actually. Maybe I do care. And I've been in I have
and I've been deluding myself.
Ah, the monkey comes out of the sleeve.
Is that is that a saying of
Confucius as the saying of the Dutch the OPCOM that the Mao
okay, I thought this was like, Man was Holand pocket feel
cookie all day close. That was Um, so I said, I was like, okay,
you know, I'm busted here. I've been in you to use your
parlance. I've been de Kloet. Yeah, yes, yeah, maybe I'd maybe
actually do care. So I had to I had to spend. It's been a good
day and a half.
Yeah, that's, uh, that will mess with your mind, man.
Yeah. So that, you know, thought, well, I finally came to
this conclusion. I was like, You know what, I think I do care.
But the reason I care is that I want people to have ownership
over the things that they create, to some degree. It's
sort of like giving credit where credit's due.
Okay. That's, that's a very reasonable argument. I mean, he
already had me back at hay. He birthed this to life. So he had
to get to name it.
Well, you know, so I brought up and I will get into some of
these tags in a second. But I developed another type proposal
this past week called podcast, colon state. And Daniel said,
Well, I don't think we should call it stay. We should call it
something else.
But you birth it tag. You're it? Yeah. And, and by the way,
without even looking, I know what it means. What do you think
it means? Is it is it a free test account? Or is it a paid
subscriber? Basically,
yes, that's exactly what it is. Yep. Yep. That and this, yes,
that's exactly what it is. And, you know, in my response to
Daniel, when, when this was mine, this was my tag proposal.
And my response was, you know, you can I give you carte blanche
to name this tag, whatever you would like, Daniel. I mean, you.
I'm giving you this. So you name
a gentleman. Very nice. Yes. Yeah. Okay, now, I mean, all
right. What am I Swiss cheese?
No, no, you're the interface. So as a unit, okay,
so what so what is that? So what is it now?
I don't know yet. He's not.
Oh, okay. Oh, I'm excited. This is this is very interesting. If
the gun with our little family here, Dave. And blow
by blow. We wreak rave. This is long form, recruit recounting
what happened in GitHub issues. So this is something that
riveting
Okay, now, just as a podcaster back to that, that was really
beautiful. Man. You were really honest there. I mean, not the
non honest but you were you went above and beyond and then you,
you actually gave away something that you cherish so much forsake
of of all, good and harmony, and Daniel's quaking in his boost,
like, Oh, crap, and I gotta come up with a killer name that
everybody goes, Oh, yeah, totally.
Yeah, this name has to slay, to be amazing.
No pressure, no pressure at all.
That was like, you know, I was like, you know, what? I'm gonna
give I'm gonna give this name away and and such. In the
future. I think that that should be the standard is that the
person who creates the who brings the proposal, they get
the ultimate say, on what is named. And that doesn't mean
that you people can't suggest do suggestions
or caveats. Okay, I'd like to caveat. So people, so you
basically gave it away, but ultimately, you're the boss.
No, no, that's not what I say.
I misunderstood. I don't mind if
people are like, hey, maybe a suggestion, we should name it so
and so. But when the guy that created it, or the girl that
created it says no, I want it to be this case closed, everybody,
everybody just shut up, you know, and stop and let's move on
to bigger and better things. Right. And so I think that
moving forward, the proposer is the Neymar unless they give that
right away to someone else, right? Yes. Now, is
this in our Constitution? Or is this in our commandments? Death
lately? We don't have any of that I'm gonna forget that this
even happened like a week from now.
I'll remind you this is what I mean. We all work should be like
this. All projects should be like this.
But Englewood, incredibly disorganized and crazy fun.
Yeah, exactly. Yeah. I like running stuff like that. It's
not for
everybody right. Blueberry added putting everything Oh, dynamite
everything. Yeah, across the border. Yeah, Todd man.
It was so cool to listen to new media show. So you see he's all
he starts off and he's jacked and he's talking about his
booster grams and, and he's like, Adam, send me your address
for your stickers, and I and I boost him with a The another
Maxi boost with a stick with this with the address and like,
where's this going to WHO CARES is on lightning guide take it a
boost that docks myself on the Lightning Network. And then and
then he went into like an hour of stuff about advertising
numbers and IAB and you fell asleep. Ah, it was just like I
was so excited. I understand. I understand. Before we get into
namespace there was one other little piece of news I wanted to
throw out there. I can't remember who was on podcast
index dot social said he's doing a value for value plugin for
peer tube that oh really connecting to Aldi. Yeah.
Oh, okay. So this is going to be something for peer tube proper.
Not not just in a tube,
I guess. Yeah, I guess that's what he posted.
Oh, that that's an that's an SSS needed and that's really great.
Yeah, I didn't I didn't see this. So who was it the posted I
must have missed it.
I can find it cuz I was talking to moe. We've been working on
some stuff. All good. He's like, man, every YouTube there already
that just look at everyone's starting to figure it out, you
know, the, he gets screwed shadowbanned de platformed et
cetera, et cetera, et cetera. And you know, it just needs to
be we need to tie a few things together just a few things to
people and they will come and they will start using it and
let's start using apps that support it. But that's the I
think the main thing is what I'm worried about is they come and
we don't have the actual peer to parts set up everyone's just you
know sucking off a one or two pipes I mean, that's not going
to work that's too
much is way too much that's that'll crack that'll just bring
the whole thing down video so heavy
but the the whole idea of the chat of the booster grams of the
live we have it all we're doing right now you're soaking in it
maj we just don't have the video component and it's not
necessarily simple to set up. But if it gets a little bit more
if the process becomes a little tighter everyone knows how to do
rmtp streams and they do that from stream yard and all this
stuff. But it's just these the last few things. Since it's here
it is her head.
Okay, okay, I'm in her head and you know
I'm working on. I'm working on a peer to plugin. To allow the for
V with video and audio, all the creator needs to do is put a
lightning address like her head@gmail.com and the
description or support blocks of the channels or support support
blocks of the channel slash account. Then viewers from an
instance that has the plugin will be able to send SATs. Okay,
currently, the test site is working with the Alby plugin to
send booster grams, if any peer to creators add the address to
that account, let me know so I can send some test sets. So
that's not quite the same.
So it's not a back end module. It's a it's a browser side.
Seems like is that what I'm hearing? Okay. I mean, not
ideal. No,
no, no, no. And I was like, Alex is busy.
Now he's a busy man. He just started a new gig. So he's very
busy. And he also
doesn't want to get screwed.
Yeah, I don't blame him. I don't like that. He's
no meanie that says like, I'm very, very protective of it.
Like, yeah, me keep sending me shoot videos. Is she?
Oh, do you wanna? You want to do some talking about the sovereign
nation? We got to do names. You want to talk about the event
then? In a way? Yeah. Events. Let's talk about the events.
Okay. Proposal. Yes. Who was proposals this? This is
John Spurlock. He proposed podcast. CO lon, like James
would say podcast colon events. And this is basically it defines
a web hook for a URL and API URL of some sort. That is going that
the host host or publisher of a podcast has set up in order to
receive event messages from other parties that are about
this show or this podcast feed. So things like his only example
so far. Is the Listen, cousin kind. These are the kinds of
events you can have. So it's a Listen,
let me just interrupt you because I read through this. So
you didn't, okay. Yeah, doesn't mean I understand this. So the
idea is this is being sent from the player from the app back to
the feed owner.
In the, in the case of the Listen kind of event, that would
be the case. But it doesn't mean that it necessarily has to come
from the player because I think, I think in his mind, he's
thinking that it would probably come from a proxy server that is
serving the player and not the player itself. And that's the
way I read the documentation. Okay. Because, because it needs
a JW T signed by a private key,
I have a couple here hold on a second.
Best Phoebe take them out of the room.
She was munching on
the private key can't really it can't be device side, it can't
be browser side or any of that. So it really is really has to be
on a server level. To talk about it for it to just read what he
said. He said, allows podcast feed allow podcast feed
publishers to define one or more server endpoints to receive
incoming events from other trusted third parties regarding
the show, represented by the feed in question, guys,
this is also gonna be rating, it could be reviews, just call the
simple shit.
Yeah. And so like, my first it's a nice proposal. I mean, it, it
makes a lot of sense, it seems to be. I mean, it's well put
together as most of you know, all of his stuff is. Mike
has blessed graphs, he has nice graphs and stuff and example,
pictures, pictures,
and the JW T is the right way to go in this circumstance. So
this will come from a service basically that you then this
service, whatever it is, that's the trusted party, and you are a
user of that service in some fashion.
I think so. And then you would have like, for instance,
overcast? Or I'm trying to think of other apps that have servers,
server backends, pod verse, things like that would have
their server would know what see the listening data, and then
just communicate this back to the hosting companies in point
ah, um, in, in batch in batches or something. Right. So
it could be a whole host of issues, which Oh, this is very,
okay, hold on a second lightbulb moment. Okay. This sounds a lot
like the beginning of I will share my data with you. And I'm
going to determine exactly what I want to share and with who,
based on maybe even keys or I don't know if the trusted party
is trustworthy enough. But and this is kind of the first
permission driven loop that the user controls.
I think that's, I think that's a fair assessment. Yeah,
knowing knowing, knowing knowing J S, that's what it feels like.
Because he's good man.
I think that makes a lot of I think that's a good way to way
to say it. And I can see, here's my here's a couple of his
initial feedback. And this was what I was afraid of his This is
not my concerns, and these are not, this is not my feedback.
But these are the feedback that there's the feedback I saw
straight out of the gate is this has been tried before with NPR
and red and the red specification, and it didn't go
anywhere. And you know, we need to be careful with that. That's
fair. That is very that is a fair criticism. And except I
think strategically, this I can see what he's trying to do here.
Events, and events style web receiver. Makes a lot of sense.
But I really think in order there's the there's the squishy
part of
what you just said something like write down event events and
dial web receiver is what I heard. Is that what you said?
Yes, that is sexy. What is it?
It's this thing, it's podcast colon events. It's I have a
webstyle
event style web receiver. Every kid will want one by Christmas I
promise you
that in a that in a human you there's the squishy part of
trying to sell this and I used to assess a sale and air quotes
in I think out of the gate hitch. I don't think this should
be the I don't think the example use case of this should be a to
report It listens.
No. How about this? How about I report my email address to this
podcast, I decide, hey, I want my email address to go to them.
It comes authenticated. They know it's me, they know I'm an
actual listener. And then they can put me on a mailing list or
do something with that, you know, the number of things I
would want to give to them in some automated fashion. I see a
lot of use cases for that. And I think this just device is
sociis. A cluster for trout, you know what I mean?
Does that mean and that's the first thing that came to my
mind, the
keeper is as you trust his guests,
and their hours thinking there's something about goats that I had
to bid on that was right there with you has fallen.
The innkeeper is as he treats his guests. So everyone's going
to, you know, this is for tracking this, but let's not use
that use case. Let's use and one of the many. I'm sure there's
there's many other fun ones we can come up with.
Is that sort of like what's good for the goose is good for the
gander. Is that a similar type?
It's not quite as mean. Okay.
Okay. Yeah, I mean, I'm thinking that let's listens is going to
bring up bad juju across the board for many reasons. And in I
think that this thing that I think of pod ping, but with you
have to establish this as a valid thing that has lots of
beautiful use cases and what would be a good word, use cases.
And can I give
an example before I forget, give me hit it. This will be an
example we just just one example. Because you are
completely agree with you, I completely agree with the
commenter's nonstarter tracking problem at that all kinds of
issues. But if we make it fun story just came to mind which I
can't tell you privately, remind me to tell you the story of the
cream. So if we, if we make it fun. How about this? I have a
page. Maybe it's a chat. And on that is a it's like a little
little board little LED of people who are listening at that
very moment, and lights up. Just so you can see that. What other
people are listening could be a handle doesn't have to be your
real name or email address. Just something fun, so that people on
the other end can say, oh, cool, man. Look at all these people.
Maybe it goes right back to the app. Who else is listening right
now? That that's an example that I think people would think. Oh
my God, Jesus.
That is actually really cool. That is very cool. Yeah, cuz you
get that gives you the sort of live feeling without having
without without it. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, I like that a lot. And we'll
call it we'll call it ping.
Is that such a good track record? What a great. You're so
good at branding.
Isn't it? Isn't that? I mean, it's kind of the kind of does
everything right? It adds an incredibly cool feature shows
that we can think out of the box because that's, you know, that's
what, what is the that's what shaming everybody to shame isn't
all the cool stuff we have. You know, there are developers in
this world right now probably listening going. Oh, man, I wish
I I wish I could work on that. Yeah, instead, you know, it's
like, Oh, got it. Got to improve the signup page. Got to work on
the flow.
That's fun.
And not knocking people have to work because we all have to do
crap. Obviously.
That's a beautiful idea that I love that that is a way that you
can Yeah, that's perfect because you can you can sell the benefit
of having this type of system without the without all the
baggage and all the crap that has gone you know, that
everybody's like the you know, that starts arguments and
everything.
Well, it's already starting sir bemrose in the in the chat room
says fascinating use case. I can't wait to spoof it.
But yeah, thanks. Thanks. Thanks. bemrose. There's,
there's always there's always one. The, you know, so there's
others. We can think of lots of different lots of different
events that could happen in in the use of a show like I could
think I was thinking of error reporting on the lace. Tim,
you're all you have like all the fun stuff you had And I'm like,
Yeah,
you're doing you're doing Oh, when someone's pissed off use
this cool use. This is the pissed off namespace element
that we've just created when you're angry at podcasting 2.0
Use this element in
this. So like, if I doubt it, okay, so the eight minute thing.
The you your feed was reporting incorrect or
a messaging bus? Yes. Yeah. Before? Yes.
So I can You can report back to the host, hey, this this,
there's something screwed up with this feed the feed won't
parse,
that we'll have to restrict that so that it doesn't become a
messaging bus for people to send messages. You know, it has to,
it has to be kind of like, I mean, that's to be talked about
this. Because before you know what the next thing is, and you
got to pay in SATs, you know, let's keep it simple. Yeah. So
none of that and have that. So just maybe the idea of what pops
up is people also listening to this podcast at this moment.
So the the other thing that happened that happened in Reno
related to this was, it was the antenna pod guys. And evidently
didn't know this was happening. But they had like an open API
discussion for sharing data between apps, like data
portability between apps. In so in general, I think this is all
it's all related. Oh, really? Cool. Yeah, this is really
promising really great, because this is exactly this is what
we're talking about last week, we were talking about the need
that there there's a big need for an open standardized way to
pass information back and forth between disparate parties within
the podcast industrial complex, who there has to be like, ways
to push it like, Okay, I've got some data here. I am pod verse.
And I know that a bunch of people are listening to this
show. Did blueberry and I want to let blueberry know that
that's the case. Yeah. For a lot of people, here's, here's a
better one. Here's a better one. And this is another kind of
event that can be done in this reporting followers. So the apps
know how many users are subscribed to a show, but the
hosts don't know that they only see downloads, they they may
want they may find it, find it very useful for to aggregate
into except an event in point except subscriber reporting. Or
things like we can we can think of probably we could probably
get to get, you know, sit here and think of 12 different it
all.
It all boils down to share your OPML you know that, don't you?
It's always the same. Yeah, sure. It's always very open.
It's
always defaults to that. Okay. Yeah. So J s just posted. Dave
and Adam are getting it colong. It's a general purpose channel
for receiving unforeseeable events from client apps.
Yes. So. So all of that being said, I think it's fantastic
proposal. My only
you don't like to know. And then
it should be called ice cream. But the the one issue that I
have, and it's not really an issue, it's just a question. We
already have a message bus and it's called pod pain. Why? Why
do we need a separate bus? Is it it's an honest question, is this
for privacy? Is it because of concern about overloading hive,
I mean, because we already J WTS can be attached JSON payloads
can be attached all this stuff. All of this could be done
through pod ping. And so I just wonder, you know why we don't
just use piping and well, we need to build a separate thing.
So that's, that is my only question. God, Dave
Jones. This is why I love you. You know how you know how to
bring me out of your foria Within just a nanosecond and
make me think, as an excellent question. I only want one thing.
All right. Please, Brian of London. Please don't post 5000
words about why it's good. We got it. We understand. We love
you.
D do a peak D article. Yes. At point two input and point to it.
Yes.
That's a fascinating question. And crikey,
it While Spurlock just posted a link to a reply that I will read
later, because that's boring content for a podcast. So I will
read that later. He is probably got All right.
Well, we can move on to the next item on the agenda.
Oh, he says, Dave could create a bridge to pod thing in a
weekend. All right. Well, that is a very that is a fair enough.
All right,
well, you could have just done that without posting the link
you show off.
But, so that's podcast events. That's that's one thing under
proposal in the basics, the TX D tag that its first use case, is
going to be as a verify mechanism. So the way that Apple
is all starts with Apple, even though lots of people could do
it and do some and some may do it, but we know for sure that
Apple verifies feed ownership. They currently do this now. And
they are definitely going to solidify this in the future
because they're recommending the removal of email addresses from
RSS feeds. what Apple does now is they say, Okay, if you want
us to do something with your feed, like included in Apple
podcasts, or verify ownership, you're going to have to go to
your feed and stick a magic number in there somewhere
in your show in your description field or something show Yeah,
show notes show notes.
Yeah, well, you know, that's, that's ugly. That's very nice.
I was gonna say for apple that is really, like super low grade.
And that that's, it's, it's off brand. I agree it is
off brand, it is totally off brand for Apalis. Like even
Google
is more eloquent than that.
Create this 40 character thing of gobbledygook and stick this
in your show notes somewhere, right? Got it. So they would
very much benefit from having a general purpose tag that would
hold just random freeform UTF eight.
Oh, perfect and perfect. And and so then that will be their entry
into the namespace. And we would welcome them with In fact, I
have been keeping this bottle of a Bollinger on ice. It's I got
some years I got some caviar, I got some hookers. I got some
primo Columbian, you know what I'm saying? Ted Hoffman
just changed the ice three times a day, that
wouldn't be celebrating for that.
Fourth, so the node value is purely what it says on the box.
It's D, it's just like a DNS TXT record. It has its 4000
characters of free form UTF. Eight, can hold whatever it
needs, whatever you want it to hold. There's no limits. And
there's one attribute and the attribute is a 128 character,
string. That is called purpose. And so that is, again, free
form. And the whole idea here is we're not there's no slug lists,
there's no predefined. make decision parameters about what
should be you know, it's easy. In
fact, you could have someone say, well, we prefer for you to
do that with your email address. You could put that in your txt
field, straight up straight.
DNS, grooviness had TXT record. And what we saw come out of that
was crazy stuff like SPF records. Oh, yeah. And that
something that is something that nobody ever would have thought
was going to be a thing. I mean, you know, 30 years ago, when DNS
was was being born. Nobody thought about the SPF record,
but because it had this general purpose tag, it's essentially in
it, you could do it this things could be created and
30 years ago, I didn't have to explain to at least one person a
week why No, it's your mail server.
Mr. Thanks. I keep getting bounced man.
Yeah, you're misconfigured No, I'm not everyone can receive my
email.
Except other servers that are properly configured. Yeah,
that's what I'm saying.
I make no exceptions. I'm sorry, ma'am. Yeah, no, you don't need
to.
The so the TX T tag can serve this role as just a general
purpose catch all for people to experiment with and all this
kind of stuff. And in the DNS world, if you go and claim if
you go and say, if you sign up for something like office 365
And you want to prove to Microsoft in the year The owner
of this domain, they're going to require you to put a magic value
into a TXT record
with Microsoft, put your credit card in there. That's
the way to do it. And so that's the first use case of this thing
is going to be as a Verification Mechanism and that will allow
everybody to remove email addresses out of their feeds and
we can all move forward and we'll also have something that's
multipurpose we can do use it for other things in the future
and again, it's easy entrant for everybody to be a part of
everyone hates decided this system and so here we go. Hold
on Hold a beer. We'll fix it for you. Yeah, free of charge. Just
value Yep, just
in this boost. I don't know where we would what do we want
to thank some people Yeah, he wrote
now let's thank some people and then we'll wrap up with some
more namespace first the what's been coming in during our lit
the lit program here as we're live. Currently curio caster and
pod verse are lit compatible. And pod verse gives you a nice
little let me see did I get my notification today? Yes, I did.
Notification. We got. Oh, nice. We got 100,000 SATs from Linkin
Park rule. Shot kala 20 is played on am fala Singh Hunter
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Because that's aspirational. like crap, man. I wanted to say
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boost really liked the lit image for the show. Yeah, it's only
new I didn't it somehow I posted the wrong part. It's like a
vector image or something but
you that did you change the image? Well, I
always do a new one we for lit as a new image every single time
now. It's just a lightning bolt. But there's supposed to be two
V's and the lightning bolt that is a four. It's in the show
notes. If someone can maybe someone can.
How big is it? Is the apple gonna pick it up? Are you
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No, no, I don't. I don't sync it to the channel. Yeah, okay. I've
learned my lessons. And then Ted has to track me down. It's like,
bro, it's not gonna update Ed.
He might get that ugly. We still got that ugly ass art in the in
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I don't know. I mean, I don't know why that is. That makes
sense. The one with the scissors. Really? Don't tell
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Yeah, no, but but it's just there. It's bad. Branding.
Now this would be an outstanding moment to send an event message.
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We have zero take house. We like one time pay bills this week.
Thanks, everybody. Yeah, we've we've transitioned fully to the
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nine verse and he says, Providence synchronicity. Well,
like a good feedback loop. We must be resonating somehow you
guys go ahead and milk those notes for all that sweet sweet
data. Slurp it up. I for one very, very, very much appreciate
how thoughtful you are of listener privacy, not only with
hashing identifiable data, but also giving thought to
mitigating attempts to de anonymize ViaSat amounts. My
numerology today is the Fibonacci sequence. The golden
mean Oh, sacred geometry resonate Briley bros.
Nice Fibonacci boost.
L. Did you modify that on the fly?
Yes, that was that was it live performance baby?
Yeah, you just edited a ride and see Dubs. See, dubs sent us
10,000 101 through boost CLI. And he says, I have not decided
how I feel about you publishing your boost feed data, regardless
of your attempts to to anonymize it. As a general rule, I like
this because this is like a counterpoint to to us or
Luxilon. As a general rule, I don't like profiles of me being
distributed online. If you used hashed usernames, you can still
link the user to other datasets if they used the same username.
True, true. So your point so your points will be probably
these leave user names completely out of it.
This is regarding what
this is what we talked about last week about having like this
way, like we
like boost data. Right? Okay.
Yeah, basically so people say yeah, and then I was saying
like, we could just hash the user names and then use not the
numerology but just the random
username doesn't matter. Doesn't matter. We don't need to
Yeah, we which remove all that we just say remove the messages
remove Remove everything except the sad amounts. Yes, I mean,
that's all I was thinking of. Just the satellites.
Good thanks for that CTOs. Some se Oh, he's fallen out see
10 101 again and those one on one he says some apps already
sent less fields in the boost when fee equal true in the split
such as the message and thinking that privacy preserving apps
should should redact all the fields when fee equals true or
perhaps only the fields identify the podcast episode and app I
think that's a good
I think it's a great idea. Yep, I totally agree with that. Yeah,
if it's a fee don't don't send the message for sure.
Great idea. How do we solidify that? We just did okay. Yeah,
we'll be watching
raw we will send events to the events in point when you've when
you don't comply
the event police is here.
Yeah, this is this is what this is gonna turn into this is gonna
turn into event police. Roy Schonfeld, Roy 554 321 A Roy and
he gives us gives us three rocket ships and a boost
royal do it he'll do it. He'll he'll do this in no time. He'll
have the fee.
Oh, yeah. Totally.
Up gene Everett 1234. And he just says boost
boost boost
for Borsen and boards and good labor. I don't know how to board
blush fours and fours and fours and fours again ever since 101
says but he says what an intro You guys rock greetings from
fellow German podcaster. Thomas. I guess it's Tomas Prado.
Alright talk Tomas. Tomas.
Thank you buddy. Mitch there your life is lit from 10,000
Gene been you says to cast Matic he says, with the apps
implementing Opie three help much if the default players on
platforms don't also do so. For example, if the apple podcasts
and whatever androids default don't support mp3 Seems like
massively slanted data. You will, you know.
But they don't need to support op three. I mean, that's up to
the publisher, am I misunderstanding the question?
I think he's asking about like if apps just sent everything
through OB three without honoring the prefix or whatever,
in the in the enclosure if they just did it themselves? Oh, I
see. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I don't think they should.
I don't think they're going to. And so I think it's kind of a
moot point anyway. But be general in generally speaking,
though, this, this idea of every app has to do it or we don't, or
the data is not accurate. I don't know that. I agree with
that. Because you can see, you can extrapolate I mean,
statistics will allow you to get an idea of a small take, you
know, take a smaller set and get an idea of what the bigger set
means. I mean, it's not. No, it's not 100%. But nothing in
podcast data is ever going to be 100%. I mean, we just have to
accept that that's the fact. This is I'm
still not sure what we're gonna do with all that information.
Other than, Oh, here's the amount of people that we have no
advertisers for.
Yeah, that's, I mean, that's fun. Gene bein, again, 1337. He
says, For me, the hosting company lets me offload tasks I
simply don't have time for and bandwidth to deal with
Sure. Absolutely. That's the whole idea and they shouldn't be
be edge you should be at feel like you're being educated. I
know they do about new things, new developments, ideas. I mean,
I think that's a big part of the appeal of all hosting companies.
They also provide some nice extras I did. I couldn't do
myself, but would take more time and effort. That's
right. Yeah. That's the whole point that it's abstracting all
the yeses abstracting everything. So don't be like me
where you mess stuff up because you're using you know, you're
using stuff that is still being built as I'm you know, I'm
driving the car while Stephen B is still building it.
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Jean beans and is 13 370. Your cast Madigan he says a guide for
helping listeners get started with taking advantage of
podcasting 2.0 features that includes how to get started with
value for value would be awesome. Along with that, a
summary of what features end users can expect by using 2.0
apps instead of traditional ones would also be nice, and I refer
you right back to the hosting companies. This is I mean, we
can sit here and explain it. And we do to a large extent. But
what you want is you you want to understand how these things work
practically with someone who built an interface and can
support you in learning it. I can also tell you how to fly a
helicopter right now. won't be the same unless you're in a
helicopter with an instructor at a flight school.
Yep, definitely hosting companies. Trent are the
translators here?
Yeah. You're paying for it.
We translate to them and they translate to the to the
podcaster so
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sweet. I mean a nice entry onto the dance floor 6969 from a
citizen through pod verse, it says, For those boosting to the
getting divorce back on board fund, it doesn't work. Doesn't
work boost boost.
It will never work.
You need to boost to the cut divorce from the split fine.
There's no split split doesn't go to us.
Yeah, there's no there's no he does not in a split. So mission
accomplished.
Now we both we split back to everybody who helps out that's,
that's, that's the beauty of it. One day, one day, he'll wake up
and say, Wait a minute, how much Satoshis are going to all these
other people?
It's like, I need to get in on that action.
I'm serious. I'm dead serious. If it's serious money, like if
it's if it's something that would get his attention. He
would. He would be Hey, I'm gonna do something with this.
Because I'm, I know I love him. I know him. I know. That's how
we operate. He'd be like, hey, wait a minute. What are we
missing here?
Anyway, Bailey bones 7500 SATs through fountain he says
podcasting 2.0 is the next bacon.
Thank you. You go that that's a bumper sticker.
It is a brown of London and hive Dao 49,817 SAS the V four V app,
also known as the Rube Goldberg machine, he says what makes this
show special its listeners like me not advertising. Isn't this
sweet? Ah Bucha that's a that's a call back to his Professor G
clip here.
I was thinking about about Brian because I was reading about by
Nance I think and by Nance got hacked $150 million in I think
it's apparently a lot of these exchanges have their own kind of
stable coin or other kind of side blockchain that people can
move stuff in and out of and they so it's literally a bridge
to Bitcoin. So it's not you know, you're not like selling it
on the exchange. But it goes in basically what Brian of London
does, it goes into SATs and it comes out as hive. And even
those guys get hacked. You know, and that and that one sucked
because that one, that's a sucky one. So
I did the big one. They're a big player. Yeah.
So I'm just I'm I'm always thinking of you, Brian. Always
Thank you.
Lots of firewalls, brother firewalls. The tone wrecker
since 2052. Sets. He says through fountain he says,
learning is accelerating an ocean of knowledge being shared
by you both. Thank you some additional updates. Nightcrawler
robotics is an independent 501 C three public charity. Our team
makes travel fees optional, so any students can experience the
fun of FIRST Robotics regarding regardless of their financial
position. Oh, this is reference to last week's boost. Oh, yeah.
With about the high school robotics team. In this 2.0
space, we found how to add the lb wallet into our Nightcrawler
2052 podcasts at a ha time for building this week. Let me hear
you. Oh, let me hear you. Holla Nightcrawler Yes. A nerd podcast
you know, so that's that's the kind of school that needs to
look at the at the lightning sheep feeding machine. That's
exactly what I was just taking biotics right that's robotics.
That's badass robotics and and you make money to fund your you
know, your your sock hop,
sock hop in your your multi your malted milk
there are no Yes
or No get you you shouldn't you can have like a webcam but two
robots. Do those like battle robot things? No. And then if
you if you QR code on the right, left up, down and you can run
you can make the robot roll around by sending like 10 cents
or the sad state whatever direction
Yeah, I kind of liked the robot animal interaction personally.
Okay, something really compelling about that.
Or it can launch the robot can launch food. It can launch bait
out of it like it at a rapid rate. You know, blow a big thing
of food out.
Now you're talking all right now. Now you're
way far away from the house. Okay, we got lyceum. He says
217 76 podcast, SATs and he says Adam will you get the Twitter
handle V for V underscore info back when Elon Musk is taking
over? What kind of rules did you violate Liberty, Liberty booster
1776 Satoshis
Thank you. I've never owned that. And by the time Elon Musk
if the sale goes through, and he buys it, I think I will have to
depart the platform.
You know, he's very real, if he would really quit.
Well, I'm pretty sure that they're gonna want me to send
him my driver's license. Oh, that Yeah. I mean, definitely,
his whole idea is based on identity. Verification, that's
that, how do you get rid of Botswana? Or how do you deal
with all the bullcrap, like, Well, okay, say whatever you
want, but we know who you are. We have your, your, your details
on file. And if you say something slanderous, then we'll
be sure to make sure people can get a hold of you.
Yeah, so this this you know, Alex warned about this. A year
and a half ago with Jack and Jack Dorsey with Jack Dorsey's
side project of Twitter, the Twitter
yes sky night something whatever it is, yeah, you know, Sky
things guys guy.
So you know, they were coming they came up with this big
grandiose plan of they're going to have this decentralized Yeah,
actually read that white paper and understood it. You're
telling me right, that crazy ass thing about identity?
Yeah, and it was basically you know, you're gonna have a single
digital identity across all these platforms. So I'm like no,
no, I'm out okay, count me out. Yeah, I'm done. I don't I don't
want that No, I want I want ended I want individual accounts
on different platforms. I don't want some single unifying
identity I'm not I'm not ready for the entire market the beast
crap. Okay, count me out.
Let's move on with our boosts.
Lyceum 20 to 22 Dave, do you have tips on electronic wallets
for non techie users I have used blue wallet but I get error
messages now as I'm trying to refill my lightning wallet with
my bank card in order to buy gifts in the stream bits of
Bitcoin it has to work in a simple and safe way similarly to
a Pay Pal or or swish that's mobile payment system in Sweden
transaction road dogs boost easily
I don't have an answer for that offhand.
I don't I've heard people having problems
tell you the wallet for Bitcoin or for lightning. My absolute
rock that has over $1,000 at all times and it is breeze
breeze this one I was gonna say we talk
about it as a podcast app it is an incredibly mature well
structured well run well managed MS and and the most sovereignty
you I think of anything I can imagine at the moment there's no
I don't want to get into arguments about that but I
always always always that's the one yeah, that's my working
wallet for all things payments. All the time for sure.
It is connected to moon pay and you can definitely use that yeah
all over Europe and
yeah, yeah. There you go fix that. They
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This is 28th of September, anonymous sent 25,000 SATs but I
don't know if that was for us. Okay, well, don't send that as
anonymous and I can't thank you or send those anonymous I can't
thank you.
Um, speaking of speaking of Putin, carrying water for Putin,
the this this article from the Brookings Institution, the woman
Valerie worshiper Schefter. She's back with more dashboards.
And, I mean, like,
oh, this This isn't easy. I figured it out. Go ahead. What
what what do you what is on this?
Well, the vibe on this is that she's you know, at first I was
thinking spook spooky, but then I was like, you know, this is
kind of what want to be spooky. Cuz the, what she says in here
is, while exactly who is responsible for the attack, this
was just this. This article is about the dissemination of
misinformation. The The title is us podcasters spread Kremlin
narratives on Nord Stream sabotage. In the first paragraph
says while exactly who is responsible for the attack,
which European officials say was a deliberate act of sabotage
remains unclear. Experts broadly agree that Russia is the key
suspect in the experts broadly agree. wording is a link to a
New York Times article experts. I linked to the New York Times,
read the entire article in Nowhere in the news that is
absolutely 100% Now what that article says, it says nothing of
the sort is a matter of fact, by the end of the article, you're
convinced that nobody knows who did this and the ones who do
think the ones who do think they know think it was us I mean this
this is this article starts out in the first paragraph with
misinformation by completely lying about what this article
this she linked to said.
I will explain to you what is going on here. It finally hit
me. And the way is when I went into their dashboard.
Oh, you got into you got in. Oh, yeah,
I looked at the dashboard. Okay. This, this lady who now has a
sidekick. She's a political operative. And what she's doing
is because when it comes to perceived misinformation about
Putin, Ukraine pipeline, et cetera. I think the no agenda
show would rate very highly on the list of, Wow, these guys are
nuts. They're carrying water for Putin. Yeah, now we are not in
their database. Now, I think we probably have a big enough size
audience and enough people know us that, that she might have
come across us as big disinfo people. But that's not what this
is about. This is all the podcasts that are listed. I
think there's 70 or 90 of the things 70 or 79 or something
probably all Fox News people know all of it is podcast
industrial complex. So it is Dan bond, Gino, you know, stuff like
this, and you know Ben Shapiro, and then they'll have in pod
save America. So it's so obvious it is right left. And this is
intended for one thing and one link one thing only to get the
platforms such as Apple and Spotify and Google and anyone
else they can get to throw those podcasts off. That is Brookings
Institution. This this is a this is not this is a political move.
That's what this this whole thing is about because you're
right. She's lying, because he's not sincere. This is not about
any concern for the for the horrible public who might be
sigh opt by a podcast.
This by spreading the idea that the United States was in fact
responsible for the explosions, several leading us podcasters
have advanced the Kremlin's preferred narrative, while
staying under the radar radar of researchers until now. Like, I
mean, do me a break. me Give me Give me a break. I don't know.
The only reason that I care about these explosions in this
pipeline is it's going to end up it's going to result in the harm
to people that I care about in Europe. That's not cool. I care
about that. But otherwise, this misinformation stuff is like
we've talked about this before misinformation or in podcasts.
Because misinformation is in life. There's all kinds of
misinformation maybe there's misinformation. In the news at
the watercooler at the at your office at the dinner table, in
church, in science in research, hey, go to the retraction watch
blog.
Oh my god, the retraction of all the scientific papers that's a
another RSS feed. It's one of my favorites.
It's multiple retracted, peer review, peer reviewed and then
retracted later because
his grace has often in disgrace. Yes,
multiple a day. So I mean, just just get and just tired of this
garbage day.
Ya know, it's time for the weekend, brother. It's time to
kick off the weekend.
Do you want to do another podcast namespace thing?
Now we're 138 130 Yeah, what do we have leftover?
Oh, I don't know say well, we get we get state and has guests
now seem to float. This doesn't sound very
exciting. No, I shot my wad on event. I mean, I gave an idea.
We've got something new is it? Is it done yet? Have we
developed it yet? Can I Can I see it yet in curio caster do I
do is this available to me?
This this is yes. This is a good place to stop I guess. So we'll
see. An open info sharing method. Yeah, no, I'm gonna stop
in here.
I think the problem was is we went there. You know, we went
into the disinformation thing and, and I felt myself getting
off track too. And I was such a high because I want to see who
else is listening to this podcast at the same time. I'm
listening to it.
And I just want that now. That's all you can think about. Dude,
we
can be the tinder of podcasting. I'm telling you, this is
exciting. This is exciting. I'm telling you dating in podcast
apps. It's all coming.
Hit the ISO hit it, bombshell.
Dave, I love you, man. Love you too, brother. we'll see
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