podcasting 2.0 for October 28 2022, episode 108 part out
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Adam curry here in the heart of the Texas Hill Country and in
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to my friend on the other end Mr. Dame Jones
were early victims of the tredinnick
not you know if only they had used tried Demick instead, they
use triple Demmick which is dumb is bad marketing.
What would the twin demic was the one the previous one yes. So
this is the I guess they couldn't they didn't set the
standard with by by dynamic they had to go that it gets keep with
the same off off label usage. So they went with try triple
Dimmick.
Now we discussed this on no agenda, and we decided that it
was bad marketing because if you say dried Demick it sounds kind
of scary. If you say triple Demmick it sounds like something
you'd get at McDonald's.
Or a ride at an amusement ride. Yes,
it's a triple Demmick I want to go on the trip with David daddy.
The like the sense it's like a rat in The Simpsons area of
Universal Studios. Exactly. Mary, Mary marigold my youngest
my 12 year old she
beautiful. Marigold. Thank you. Do you call her Mary for short
or just hey, you know what,
when when everything's when times are good. Yeah, it's Mary
Mary
and Mary gold. Yeah. Yeah,
she woke up this morning with fever. Then my wife's coffin and
everything. Like oh crap, you
see, triple damage down for the count. Super bug. We're all
gonna die who has monkey pox these days.
But it's coming. It just weighs it's gonna be the next big thing
just you just got to wait. It's not here yet.
Now just briefly, say my empty nester now, how you doing proper
Alright, it's I'm getting there.
You'll be laughing about this and it's six months.
It's been rough man. I'm Miss missed the hell out of my kids.
So you just had the one left?
Yeah, we spent. I mean, we spent 20 years
trying to get rid of them.
Ya know, in the trenches, I mean, like, not just not just
with we didn't just have kids we like had day I had to manage
them on a daily basis. You know, now then they leave and you're
like, Ah, crap. You're like should we play a board game?
What exactly should
the little shit I know.
I understand. We have that crocheted on a pillow the little
shifts a
little shit. Hey, nice to see the pod verse livestream page.
That was kind of a cool idea.
It's a very cool idea. I mean,
pod verse.fm/live streams I think let me see. Let's Yeah, it
is and there we are. We're live it shows us live and it shows us
pending before and it shows the 100% Retro stream live it shows
curio caster live which is I didn't know Steven B had a
stream
I didn't I think that may be the in a stream I don't think that
it actually him let me see because I leave it in it. I told
you it is thinks that may be the in a struggle you better cut
that off its inception. We're gonna we're gonna die. Melt the
internet.
Well, that's that's okay. So I have a good question about this
right off the bat. Is this a value for value? Just check.
There's a link to the live stream things it's like a May
it's a first class citizen right there on the left hand side of
pod verse that FM
Oh, yeah, no, I know I saw that cool. But so Okay, so this curio
caster stream now this is interesting, because I think it
was Chad F who said to me hey, can you make a feed of the no
agenda livestream? Like Well, that's cuz I did the feed for
100% retro, which I love how curio casters promoting it a
little little banner there had you heard it yet? And I said,
Oh, that's a good idea. We should do that. And then as I
was thinking about it, this is an interesting challenge.
Because the no agenda stream is used for podcasts, and
increasingly more live shows. I'd say I don't know what the
ratio is. But there's a lot of people going live particularly
since the lit tag came into existence, because there's
boosting and there's interaction that's fun. And man that is it.
Is a bowl for bowl who have you know, you trigger a certain
amount of SATs and a goat sound goes off and No, that's, that's
behind the behind the schemes, right? So yeah, Insanity is
beautiful. But if no, I love this, I wish that was packaged,
I wish I could use it. I mean, I love those things, those little
breaks, I'd set it really high and like I want the bell to go
off and fireworks and so all this stuff. But if we do it on
the stream, and then people are listening to the no agenda
stream, the feed that I set up, that mean, there is currently no
way to dynamically switch the value block based upon metadata
coming from the spring from the stream or something else.
Because otherwise, it'll just go into whatever splits or whatever
I determined. And I feel it'd be beautiful, if somehow we can, we
can. It's kind of follows on what we talked about. On the
last show where 100% retro, they want to be able to trigger pod
ping events. But it's kind of more interesting, when you can
trigger just based upon the metadata of the stream, a switch
in the value block. I'm not sure where that happens or how that
works. But you understand that the basic issue why it wouldn't
be right for me to have an overall stream whereas it would
value for value. And if people are listening and curio caster
and the listening to you know, Jean and and Darren and they
want to boost they'd be there wouldn't be boosting them
directly. If that makes sense. Yeah.
Yeah, I understand exactly what you say. This is the thing that
I brought up last week that you told me was no problem because
icecast had metadata and there's not a problem.
Right? But I mean, it has metadata data, but how do we how
do we catch it? How do we how do you dynamically change the
block? How does all that work?
I think that first thing wouldn't be pod pay, I mean, pod
pain, makes sense that there would be a pod paying event that
fires off. Like that we'll see. So what you're doing like this,
the, I guess we get about it, let's let's let's back up here
for a second. So there's like a bunch of different things that
we need to talk about in around this entire idea of stream of
feeds, with things in them that don't have items. So we won't
have
I have items now. I mean, I feel that you should have items. And
I didn't do that initially with 100 with 100%. Retro and now
they actually cutting promos every week. That's, you know,
this week on 100%. Retro and I make that an item?
Because I don't feel like you should have items. Okay, I
disagree. I don't
think I didn't put it in and it broke a lot of shit. So that was
my that was my cue. It was like, Oh, I think I need items.
Right. So let's go down there reference eight. So the I mean,
the first I think we talked last week. I think Harv has right, I
think the chat. I think we talked about somehow attaching a
chapters file.
Right? Right, right. Live chapters. Yes, we did talk about
that. That would
be one way to do it. But then again, I think if you if you if
we if we, you know, rewind here, if we go back to the original
concept of a live item, then the live item is not meant to
specify a stream, it's meant to specify an event. Yeah, event
would be the change of DJ or the change of show. So you would
have a feed that would have multiple live items in it. All
with pending, except one of them is live. And then the next one,
that one rolls off in the and the next one goes live. So like
your so that's the way it's supposed to work.
And then the value block changes automatically.
Right? So you would just need to send another pod ping to say
live, and it would reference the same stream and then things
would refresh writing in the value block would come through.
My My head's exploding. That's very cool. We basically have all
the bits there.
Yeah, I think it's already it's the problems already solved. The
issue is that nobody's doing a feed that looks like that. So we
don't see. Like, like, we don't see it. Okay, so perception
issue,
right. So what would basically have to happen this case? So if
I put in 24 hours of it, by the way, I have no commercial
involvement. I just liked this guy. I've known him for 100
years. He used to book me on gigs in Belgium, and, you know,
he's just, he's just a dude trying to do something
different. And I appreciate it. Could I would fill up 24 hours
which would say be like five different blocks of, you know,
or six different blocks of four or our or something like that
and put them pending in the feed? The only thing that would
then still because the feed will read them and we'll know okay,
that one's dead. This is this is the next this is the next one,
but somewhere it has to flip to live in the in the feed, so that
that would be a logic that logic would be on the publishing side.
Yes, that's right. You know, actually, I think,
do you think Stephen B is already built it? I mean, he's
getting just excuses about being cut up and stuff. But um,
yeah, I mean, like he got, he got knifed in the gut 20 times
or something like,
Oh, my goodness, I'm so happy. He's okay. We got real quiet
around him like, oh, no, this is not
good. I'm looking at live on him real quick, because I find out
if I remember,
I find this incredibly exciting. By the way, I don't know why.
But I just and I still am not getting Todd's new media show.
Live pod pings.
That assay this time we'll see. I'm trying to look and see what
the attribute. Okay, so status start and end are all required.
Which is real easy with a with a linear radio stream, you know
exactly when it stops, which is kind of cool.
And that could be CMS can just drop that thing. Well,
you could also it could be automatically generated by their
playout system.
So yeah, just come just straight. And just to try and
just translate that right into XML. Yeah,
they have, they have a full full scheduling system. With all the
metadata, everything's in there.
See, this is what Sam says he needs for his river radios.
Well, this would be the same exact scenario you just wrote,
he just run that playout system into XML to generate the feeds,
I use em air list. And that's something that's highly
configurable, you can do script some stuff. So that might be
some of the low.
Well, okay, so this, but on the broader, sort of, like on the on
the bigger view here, this brings up what we were talking
about while ago, which is having a feed that has nothing in there
has no items in it. And this this can, if you will permit me,
I would like to also bring in a discussion of the podcast remote
item tag, which is phase six. Yes, of course. Because I think
they are tangential to one another. So the
just don't use don't use big words like tangential me just
hit me like I'm five please share.
The podcast remote item tag is going to suffer suffer the same
sort of limbo as as a feed as the live item. Because what you
can imagine is a we'll go over remote on a second, but you can
imagine is a feed and RSS 2.0 feed that has no item tags in
it. And off the bat that is fine. According to the according
to the RSS 2.0 spec, it's fine to have a chance to have an RSS
feed versus 2.0 feed with just a channel that has zero items in
it. It's just
a parsing issue and decision that the client makes. Yeah,
in the language says quote any the channel can have quote any
number of items. Zero. Yeah, so that means if any number or zero
is a number so we can have zero
with a zero exist.
Zero in Infinity do not exist. Yeah, but they are numbers. Oh.
So this so it's valid XML it's valid RSS. And so that means
it's it's okay. So if we put in a bunch if we have a feed like
we're talking about with the 100% Retro a feed with a whole
bunch of let's just say for the for our blocks has six live item
tags in it that all rotate and move up as the thing goes
through. That's fine. I just it like the problem is the podcast
index website does not recognize is not displaying remote live
items yet. So it looks like that it looks like the feed doesn't
have anything in it. That's Yes, it does. So that's
that's our course. Our parser decision Right exactly. In that
in those lot of those live items are actually in the database.
We're just nobody has a website.
Nobody's right. Nobody has done that. No one cares. No one wants
to help
and lazy when when I say nobody that's a deflection that's
pointing the finger at somebody else besides me. Because why
would I ever do something like that? I'm telling you man, never
never ever such a lazy guys are in here.
So explain to me remote item again.
Okay, so remote item. And he just, he just updated the spec
for it. This is Alex's proposal remote item list, I will read
from our read from this proposal. The intent of this
proposal is to provide a tag that allows another item to be
referenced without outright copying it. This shouldn't be an
item in another feed entirely. So this is like a playlist.
Gotcha. Yeah,
that's, that's really what this is supposed to be, um, you can
have a remote item. It's perfectly valid to have a remote
item in a normal RSS feed that has items. But you can really
see the power of this that that would in that scenario, me back
up in that scenario, that would prevent you from doing things
from hand to do funky stuff like air dropping another person's
episode into your RSS feed.
Right? So the the item to be inserted can be an item or even
a channel can only be an item itself.
Yes. So you would have an item in let's just say, Oh, perfect
example here. Immediate show. The there live episode from
Podcast Movement. James was a guest on that show. So he just
used that episode, Todd said it's cool if you just use this
episode and drop this enclosure into your foot
whereas it would have been easy for him just to say remote item
boom and points to that.
points to the media show feed and that good and he doesn't
have to drop another person's feed enclosure into his I mean
feed item into his RSS feed.
So what you automatically want at least what I automatically
want? No, Nevermind. Nevermind. Um, oh, no, no, no, no, no, no,
no, I'm just trying to think, Is this more? Because you're James
is I'm just going to guess you would not use that in that case,
because he wants his own branding around the episode he
wants to explain in his words, what, what what this episode is
about. And so in that case, you really only limited the mp3. So
this seems this remote item seems more applicable to music
for creating playlists than anything else. Because then then
you really want to give the creator of that item. The full
control over what how that surface is not just the the
media file, but also the album art and transcripts, which might
be lyrics, etc. That's where it seems like super important.
Yes, I think you're exactly right. I think what,
but Alex designed it with that in mind. Oh, yeah,
of course. Yeah, it's exactly what it was for. The remote item
has utility outside of a playlist context. But play with
play lists are really where it's distinction. I
think we should talk about it in the context of what it was
designed for. So it's not about James dropping in an episode.
It's about me putting together a mixtape from my lover Dave.
Oh, sweet. Yeah, bro. is what I was doing. I was I was laying
out the, the use case where everybody would be like, then I
was gonna follow it up with with the right hook playlist. And
everybody's gonna be like,
Okay, well, you got me, you got me? Yes, I was there. I was
there. I was there, I just jumped the gun. I'm sorry, I
didn't realize there was a punch line.
The the first section of the proposal is cross app playlists.
And this is as this allows one to provide lists of other items,
which one does not own copyright to, such as playlists, and
various different types of audio video mediums, in combination
with list mediums, and we'll talk about the rule, we'll talk
about that too. One can use a theme made entirely of podcast
remote item tags, to share them in a manner that allows
applications to recognize them as playlists.
So then you get into the reverse issue, are you ready? I'm gonna
blow your mind. So let's, so let's say I can, I can envision
a world where making playlists of remote items with a very, you
know, simple tool becomes incredibly fun. I mean, I can
see exactly how the app taps into the index. It's you know,
you can even drag and drop and all this stuff is the whole
experience is very clear in my mind, and that all under the
hood is you basically building up a feed of remote items. So at
a certain point, some people will be very influential. And
and people will, they will want to take advantage of that. And I
think other people want to get on their list and there can be
an economy there. If we can figure out how do you get that
list? Creator into the remote Item Value block so that they
can get a maybe it's a maybe it's a slug, a placeholder.
Something like that, you know, here's 5% from whoever puts us
into a playlist. Does that make sense?
Yeah. The that I knew you were gonna go there.
And do you prep do you use? Do you lay awake at night and think
about what does Adam going to say about?
First I'm gonna suck him in when flame
Boom, baby, boom, I'm gonna need a whip. I do have a whip.
Sorry. Um, yeah. So. So that brings up a good. That brings up
a good point. I think in the original spec. I don't see it in
this one I may be overlooking, I think. Alex said that the value
blocks that this should not contain value blocks. The remote
item tag? Oh, why? And I think we'll see what here it is. An
element defines a remote item one or more may be defined per
channel. It refers to an item outside of the feed. This should
only be used for list medium types. We'll see. This should
not utilize any value related tags contained within the feed.
Only the value tags on the referenced feed should be
respected. So right, like, right. Yeah. So that you're
that and then there's the problem. How do you how do you
get the how do you get? How do you reward someone for creating
a playlist?
Yeah, no, no, because
because there'll be the DJs of the future, you see, and we need
to cut them in because then it incentivizes people to do all
kinds of cool stuff and promotion around it. And that
and, and, and the tide lifts all boats.
See, here's my, here's my,
you know, don't say fear. Don't say you can't handle that.
Here is my anxiety,
anxiety, oh, my god, okay,
that's even worse than fear. So, in one sense, you can say that
making playlists and becoming a playlist, Curator or creator, or
whatever you want to call it is awesome. And that should be
rewarded with value. But then in the other sense, it feels like
That way lies madness, because you could imagine a popular
playlist curator, be like throwing in an EPA in reference
to a remote item to let's just say no agenda every single week.
And they're getting a cut, even though they're not really doing
any work.
Oh, nobody. I disagree. I could not disagree with you more.
I mean, like the fuse, let me have it. I see that as value.
Thank you for exposing me to your audience. As you can see my
remote item. Thing about Bob Snicket Joker. I have reserved
5% for anyone in the value blog for anyone who puts this as a
remote item into their feed. I don't know how that happens, but
that's what I want. I see it as added value. Not not like
they're not stealing from me. I want to I want to cut them in.
Okay, just like an app.
Okay. Oh, okay. Well, there that may be your that.
I think you just have it as habit as a fee.
stumbled upon the answer there. There could be a there can be an
entry. That's a certain type of entry in the value block. This
says this that is for this this for it just a placeholder and it
says remote. I have no idea what to call this. But when you parse
it, you say, Okay, this podcast podcaster has just specified
that whenever somebody places a reference to their episode into
a remote item list, and that's the source, they get X, whatever
it is a value, whether it's a percentage or hardcoded amount
or whatever, they get this so so then you it's almost like a
variable. It's, it's what I call a slug, like insert your, your
value block here.
Okay, yeah, and then this is just like a place a placeholder
that can be that can mean anybody that does this.
Yes. Anyone who anyone who is using this as a remote remote
item, you get 5%. And okay, so this is where it gets beautiful.
One of the things I've been looking forward to and comics to
Blogger brought this up is to have no agenda producers uh art
producers, I want them when we check pick their art I want them
to automatically be added into the value block into the into
the split, that with get Albie addresses this is really easy
every artist can can sign up for get Alby address. And what
comics or Blogger did what I asked you said, on the Art
Generator putting your profile there because I looked at the
profile, I get the name, I have to put that into the credits,
put your lb address in there and then boom, if you're chosen,
I'll put you into the into the value block. So same way I'd
love to. Maybe it's overkill, but it seems like there's an
opportunity there. It's all dynamic stuff, basically. Right?
So maybe we're just making life harder that way? Well, now,
because I'm thinking I was thinking put a slug in for the
art and then that fog it I'll do it myself. I'll copy paste. It's
easy. Let's get the remote item thing fixed. And I'll copy paste
until then. Well,
I think what you're thinking, recursion as
everyone always, yeah, that's what I'm looking for.
It's like what we did with free material editor where you could
put these variables in there. And you could just generate a
template. Yeah, it would be
which I still use twice a week, but what more than twice a week,
several times a week.
And so that's, that can be I think we could forge a way
forward with this one once we get the remote item in place.
Because this doesn't really have to be part of the remote item
spec.
Well, but here's here's the next thing because I think this flows
into in a weird way. Podcast events.
Now we're gonna have John Spurlock on next week to talk
about that.
Oh, good as well. Good. But I think Sam Sethi is doing some
praise, like hinting about it on Potlatch. Oh, I got something
special to talk about next week.
Oh, cool. Yeah. All right. Yeah, let it
slide it up, Sam. Okay, good. Well, I'm excited about the
podcast events that I'm starting to think about what that can
mean, I think it's gonna be very invigorating. And I certainly
when it comes to audience doing stuff, and I see it from music,
too, I see all kinds of great things that can come from it.
And I want to thank all of the developers for creating all
those great music apps. You really, really right on point.
Okay, oh, music. Yeah. Well, we're not done with remote
remote. I'm
sorry. I'm sorry. I didn't I was like, Okay, done the cross that
off the list. I was
I'm going to come back to I'm going to come back to music mark
my sheet. remote, remote, yes. Just due to flesh this out. The
current is like, imagine a feed alright. Do you have pictured in
your mind an RSS feed?
You bet I dream of this all the time.
Okay. Inside the channel, you know, you have your various
things like title, description, Link, language generator, all
that kind of stuff well, in the channel have have a playlist of
what is going to be considered a playlist, which is, you know,
just an XML feed full of remote items. You would also have a
medium in there as well. A medium tag. Yeah. So that that
gives you so here's, this is the other part of this issue. So
part of the struggle the apps have is when they hit a feed
that doesn't have any content in it. Like content being defined
as item tags, ie an
anchor show. Sorry, man, I just got to contribute to the
conversation somehow. No, I
endorsed this. By the way, what happened to anchor it? They
don't know. Nobody even talks about it's like they don't
exist.
All they are is just a counter for the Spotify press release.
How many? What's the number? What's the number anchor?
Puppet puppet puppet?
People what's what's the number what you got up there? I
got it. That's all in it. Spotify doesn't even talk about
anchor anymore. It's like they don't exist now. So the podcast
like you can imagine that you would need or it would be very
helpful to have a medium designated for this type of
thing. So in this feed, the aggregator sees there's no items
in this thing. So there are you know WTF. So then the chat the
channel tag within this feed can have a medium of something like
music L and the L means list. So there's a new set as part of the
Poke podcast remote items spec There will also be an update to
the podcast medium tag that corresponds to new types of
mediums. And the new mediums would all be an L version of an
existing medium type. So you can have, you would have music l
podcast, l, audio book, l net, the elders means list. So this
feed, if it has a medium type of music L is a playlist, a music
playlist. App can expect when it parses this feed, it can expect
to find a bunch of remote items in here that are music that are
of the medium type of music. Okay. So that that's going to
help because right now, right now, you just don't decorators
that haven't any, it doesn't have anything to
add does? No, it has no context it does. There's no way I can
know because the medium tag is channel level, you need to have
that item level for the remote item.
Right? Yes. So that's, that's the idea there and then remote.
So here's something that needs to be discussed. It feels like
there needs to be a new medium of live, live brand and live L.
So for a list of live remote items, you get a remote, remote
item could reference a live item, which would be you maybe
you have a playlist
we are literally building an automated radio station playout
system. This has literally been developed
in detail. It's this is like a deep like the chef's have like
deconstructed chicken salad. Yeah. deconstructed playoff
system. Yeah. Okay. So that's what this mean? Do you agree? I
mean, if it feels like,
I'm with you, and I'm gonna keep going, keep going. Yeah. So
if you have a list of, if you have a medium type of live L,
then you have a list of risks. And then people could curate
lists of lives of live streams that they listened to, or that
are interesting, or related, or whatever, and share those things
out. And then you can have, so it would be almost just like the
pod verse.fm live streams page. But you can handle you can
curate them yourself, and share them. And if you're, like we
were talking about with the value stuff, if we can figure
that part out the fun, find new live streams and get value for
it.
I mean, you can also see if I have this right, you could
literally program a station, which consisted of individual
entities wherever they are. And as long as they have, you know,
a stream, you can literally be listening to one, one feed, and
it'd be switching between these different live streams. Yeah, in
real time. Yeah. That's pretty cool. That's pretty cool.
Yeah, you can do and also it becomes like a, like a radio
dial. I mean, like, you're you have a list. Yeah,
you can just and you know, what, what a concept to do a dial
instead of a list, just as a UI UX moment.
Yeah. Yeah. What they call that skeuomorphism we can just go
back to this.
Yes, make it look like a radio dial, that'll work.
In the, like, you can just literally, like pop back and
forth between between radio stations in real time. On the
podcast on the podcast
app, you know, I gotta tell you that 100% Retro guys there
beside themselves with with joy about this. Because, you know,
some people are boosting to get a little boost here and there.
They definitely see the stream stream numbers, you know, this
is very few. But you know, and I see people even tweeting about
it like this kind of cool, what the hell is this thing? So it is
live and more as most of us live, some of it may be tract
but it has a live feel to it.
Are you going to put in are you going to rearrange the fate so
that has a bunch of live items? Are you going to try that
technique? Because it feels like your feed is just a mad
laboratory of trying things for this.
Well, that's my life. That's the lifestyle I've chosen. Stephen B
he posted he posted something that some generator that is his
brain is already working. He's listening so he'll come up with
something because the whole thing is I just need a
programming thing. You know, that just fires at certain times
and then hits the pod during the live update,
we'll discover and fades. Can it handle multiple live items? And
yes, it can. Okay, I'm good.
But I still need to hit turn it live, I still need to switch it
live and republish the feed.
That's right. It's right. Or
orc. And that's something I would enjoy. Hey, I put curio
caster and sovereign feeds in my splits. You know, maybe they'll
have figured out a way to automate that for me. You know,
it's, it's feed generation logic.
Could you do it? And this is all off the rails, but could you do
it from the icecast metadata? When you see that change, that
can regenerate the feed?
That was my that was my thinking of after the fact. Well, but But
yeah, yeah, exactly. And I'm also thinking, it makes so much
more sense. If we have an ingest format, then people who use
these playout systems can just export, their their schedule.
And it should, and it lines up, I mean, obviously, if they get
out of sync, then you know, that's their problem. But the
whole idea is that it stays in sync, and then it I mean, it
could even trigger, it could even trigger the pod ping, I
mean, we have a way to go. But we'll get to that source where I
think it will just generate a feed, upload it that make the
changes, upload it, pod, ping, boom, good to good to go
to that. So the playout system, their playoff system, we just
export, like a structured file, whatever,
whatever we need. Yeah, whatever we need to ingest to make it
work.
Will it be JSON?
I gosh, I hope so. But, but I'm also thinking, why couldn't the
playout system just generate the RSS feed? FTP at pod ping?
I don't know you know about those play out.
I mean, do that. Why would they have all kinds of stuff like
that built in these days? Consultant let me let me if only
I knew a radio consultant. Yeah, I bet you don't know any of
those. I do. James Cridland he's the radio consultants. Alright,
James marching orders. Isn't he the radiologists? Let me see
layer process strong. Oh, I would strongly recommend you do
not use this configuration program will play out as running
continue anyway. Yes, of course. Of course. What could go wrong?
My pussy? Yeah, let me see remote controls. That's the MIDI
remote control what else kind of remote control by okay. Let me
see advanced it has these things. Let me see the logging
database. I mean it has it has a whole database you know, you can
you can get into a database and just export it
well, that I mean, that's just Well, there you go. I mean, I
mean, everything's there.
Yeah, you couldn't oh goodness nearly done in there last year.
merilis. So you can do you can connect to an iTunes database
you can connect to Sam broadcaster V four, which then
will pass your meta that mean that's that's like an ice cast
streamer. So you can then stream the metadata from your system.
You can just a script whatever that is. Anyway, I get some info
this
Yamo Eric PP No, no, no, I handle please.
Discard all changes and close. Yes. Okay. Does this. Oh shit.
Oh, fuck. Honestly, do I spell Dr. Pepper hora. Oh, that's
really bad. mush. Oh, no
chips. Yeah, it's in the keyboard. Oh, oh, no. Disaster.
Yeah, hold on. Oh, I could doodle do. Oh, no. Oh, no. Oh,
no. Oh, no. Oh, no.
Oh, did you like that was that was a good?
I mean, I thought I was gonna have to play the show out
myself.
Let me just rub this. Okay, so
yeah, I think rub it out. Just rubbish. I'm
just rubbing one out here. Dave. Give me a second. The show is
off the rails. And we have a heart out. The other day I
spilled. I broke a wineglass and it spilled over it and it was
kind of made my midi controller a little wonky.
Built it in the keyboard.
You both Yeah. Oh, that's very keyboard and I have backups if I
need but we're
gonna have to read it. We're gonna have to take away your
drink privileges within the
my own damn fault. I was horsing around I shouldn't have done I
have special spots for drinks. It's almost like a cup holder.
But do I use it new love course now. Okay, let me see you soon.
scissors. Okay, we're back. We're back in business. So yeah,
okay, so that's so that's something that can be worked on.
I think we need to get the remote the remote item squared
away and that'll start to play out and we'll we'll get there
when it's time right?
Yeah, was that a Diet Dr. Pepper no straight up Dr. Pepper the
real things straight.
It was a small can one of those little minis? Because I don't
like a 10 ounce or something? Yeah, I don't really want the
poison. But to do this show, you know, I'm stoned all day like
I'm gonna go sugar on
the phenol kid in neuro whatever. Yes, yeah. Yeah. So we
can do that. Yeah, that's that. One interesting thing about this
is that in we're gonna see more of this over time, I believe.
And so we've got to figure out how to go down this road at some
point. Is the podcast good? So the way these remote items are
referenced?
Oh, yeah, I have your own. I have a bad good.
Do you? Oh, yeah. You're in Korean. The keeper?
I don't know how that happened. But yeah.
So you the what a remote item looks like, is it is a it's got
three attributes. Two of which are required ones. One's
optional. So the it's got the item good attribute, which is
the GU ID from the feed that is being referenced. That's fine.
For the most part, because you know, that's the I think, as an
industry, we've pretty much with Apple coming on board to require
Gu ID now EPS enclosure episode level Gu IDs. I mean, you can
just say, Well, I mean, if you're not putting goods in your
feed, you know, you don't get to play at the party. Right? The
feed Gu ID is the one that's going to have to be dealt with
over time, which in the feed good is a reference to the
podcast co lon Gu ID tag
that thank you for doing kolam. There's nothing in Britain.
So the podcast guid tag is actually been adopted quite a
bit. I mean, it's getting some reach. So
it's really, it really needs to be promoted as the ISBN of
podcasting. And people should do this. I mean, and then we can
market it that way, people will say, Oh, I really need to get
that. So that also means we need to surface easy to go in and say
what is this podcast good.
In that that's where I'm headed. So what? That's what there's
already in the API, an API, there's already a podcast by
GUID. API endpoint that will give you that result. But it
feels like there needs to be it needs to be something. This
almost needs to be a stand alone type of thing. Where you can
just ask, you know, ask a where you can easily just grab a feed
URL of a Gu ID and not even not have to necessarily use an API
call. I mean, it'll ultimately it ultimately everything's sort
of an API call, right? So
in a script, you just say, podcast GUID, this, and then
that, and then the script knows how to get that information?
Yeah, yeah. That's one of the things it's really just for
developers, because you're lazy to type all the information and
you just want to token Am I right? Am I right?
Yeah, yeah. So it could be something as easy as a service,
where that's called like, I don't know. That's good podcast,
Gu id.net, I don't know. And then you just give it in a slash
into GUID. And it just returns nothing but the end, it just
returns the feed URL. Like, like some simple result, like a
resolver, not an API call. I feel like that's probably the
way to go with this thing. Because the GU IDs are going to
become more of a thing. And then we're going to start referencing
them more in these tags.
So are we going to be the centralized resolver?
Well, I don't want to be the centralized resolver owner on a
server but I mean, we could set up some sort of system like I
don't know if clubs or workers are single, whatever
we do, whatever we do before we make any decisions. Let's make
sure we run it past GG
Yes, yes, God knows. If you don't, there's hell to pay.
That's my one joke for today about it. Okay.
Yes, we must. It must be fully decentralized. Whatever in
whatever way that that means whatever week way that that
means. So anyway, I don't know about that. I'm just it feels
like I would like to hear
here's why. here's and here's a weird thing just just because
I'm weird could I make my my podcast good? My lightning node
or my bitcoin wallet? Address?
Not the cording taka unit and the year on let me look at the
spec Arnie
does it have to be a certain number of numbers or patches or
salted?
It's it's supposed to it's supposed to be a V five Gu ID
excuse me a V five UU ID?
Oh, you know, you the composite of a UU ID is different from
from a cryptographic address.
Right. Yeah. Yeah, it looks a lot different format. And I
think I'm afraid that if you did that, it's not going to follow
the format, then it may get cut off in certain databases. Okay.
Yeah, I don't think it's probably just better not to do
that. Good. Yeah. So I'm thing is, I think a result, I would
like to know if other people think a resolver of some sort is
probably the way to go. And then how to properly properly go
about that in a way that we liked.
I really liked the idea. And I think it's critical that that we
get that up and running. Because that is when you do that. Then
you can also have a GUID for albums, songs. These are all
these are all important things to have that people can confine
them based upon that detail.
Yeah. There's enough there's enough spread. Now. Buzzsprout
includes Gu IDs, who was cast dos includes goods and all their
feeds. I have to look at the list. But it's quite it's,
there's quite a lot. So I feel like we're there. And we're
ready to sort of like flip the switch and take the next step on
that. And then it will I mean, we'll have to because in remote
item will need it right. As long as we put it on. As long as
whatever form it takes is on hive, then there won't be any
push back ever.
So we're good to go. Yeah.
I don't want to so funny. Okay, so I think we're good on remote.
And I think everybody probably understands what that does.
Yeah, I like it. I really like it. These are exciting things.
So how does this move forward? Just this is the
basics just progresses.
Okay, good. Good. Yeah.
It's on it's on the list. And we're so in Well, one of the
things Alex is finishing up the, the 2.0 version of pot of the
pod paying hive writer, and that's going to have this stuff
in it through the socket. So we can we can specify these
mediums, these list of mediums and that kind of thing as part
of the schema. That'll be in there. So we'll be good to go.
Nice. Yeah.
I don't want to keep going if you've got some you got anything
else that you want to insert? I don't want to just steamroll.
Just Just go on a different topic for a minute. Go for the
squad cast patent, I think you and I have different ideas about
that. I wanted to see where where you were at.
I just don't like it. I don't like it feels and I could be
completely wrong. I don't know this. I don't know those guys at
all. Other than Harry Duran, I know him. I was on his show. And
he seems like a really great guy. I think he's like an
advisor or something. But I don't really know anybody else
there.
Well, let me ask you this. How did you interpret what you read
about it?
I interpreted it to be that they were trying to hit a broad a
patent for something broad, that would be a natural evolution of
any product like that, in order to carve out some mark in order
to code like basically put a line in the sand for their
market share, because that's a crowded market. There's a lot of
people there's a lot of players in there like Riverside, clean
feed shoutcast
Did you have an opportunity to read the patent?
I read I read the the first whatever you call it, like the
the initial sizes, summary, probably summary, or any
reasoning that he was like giving us like something like
more broadly. And I can't remember the exact wording and
that's what gave me pause. I was like, Oh, wait, whatever the way
that it was worded made me think, Oh, they're going to try
to come after anybody who He uploads parts of a file and
stitches them together later in a way that doesn't lose the
timestamping. Like, well, I mean, that just, that's the
word, but he's had to do that.
So the way I read it was, here's these problems. People have
solved these problems in certain ways or not. We have solved
these problems in this particular way. And we're
patenting our solution. I don't think you can, you can patent
the time to drift. Because there's too much prior art and
people have done it. But just like Apple, they didn't know
Apple patented, have passed podcast patents they patented. I
think their namespace so. And I read through all the blog posts
from squad cast and in what they were doing, and it was it seemed
to me more really about the actual technology that they've
or the algorithm or whatever they've developed than anything
else, because it it, their way of doing it is apparently very
lightweight. And now you can do a lot more on mobile and other
things that you couldn't do before but I did not read that
they were patenting the process itself.
says in the description, it says the invention in one form is
directed to a method that ensures that recorded all the
Indian males are always except a
method a method. Yeah, not the method a method.
Okay, and so it gets in, save it has saved the file. Okay. Well,
I haven't read step by step through this. And I may just be
ignorant about what can be.
And I understand that the knee jerk reaction, I'm not I don't,
I don't participate in the patent system. But I'm certainly
not anti patent, I feel I am anti the abuse of the patent
system, which is what you were referring to. But my initial
reaction to that, I was actually surprised when I saw all the
posts about fuck these guys. I hate patent trolls like hohoho.
Have we read this thing? And it to me, it was just like, Okay,
we figured out some some new ingredient of how to do
something that other people are doing, but our way it no one has
done. We want to patent that because we want to take
commercial advantage of that moving forward. But I didn't
really get any of the feeling that they're out to potentially
protect their turf or squash others. It seems like this is an
innovation, at least what I read that it's an innovation on what
is currently being done which you can patent.
So I guess one, I guess one way to think about is what? Why
would you in this? I'm not saying this the right way. But
why would you patent something where you can't know if the
patent is being violated or not?
What do you mean that this is exactly what patents are about?
Look at Silicon Valley, look at the look at the lawsuits that
did go back 10 years you used our code here, you use their
code there. That, of course is why I don't use the patent
system.
Well, I guess what I'm saying is like what? Coke, okay, so in
this instance, if they've patented, if What if what
they've patented is a specific algorithm like, like step one,
do this, do you know, do this function on this part part of
the audio to do to look at this step two, blah, blah, blah. So
if, if, if that's if they've essentially patented, what will
what amounts to pseudo code on how to do a thing? Then how can
the only thing the only way they can know when they see let's
just say that clean feed does the same at some point in the
future. Also, on the fly, upload audio to a Citroen to back to
the mothership, and stitches it together, then squad cast is
going to have to sue clean feed in order to get discovery on
whether or not their algorithm is the same as squad cast, which
is
a very risky business to be in. Because if you if you have a
frivolous claim, then you can wind up paying for everything
first off the bat. And then there could be a counterclaim,
if there's any suspicion that you were doing this on anti
competitive grounds.
Okay, all right. So that's so would that be what it would be?
will students be anti considered anti competitive?
What if if, if they if they just start suing people look if you
if you sue people and you're wrong, you definitely have to
pay the cost?
Right off the bat, right? Yeah, pay for the damages or whatever.
Well, you
got you got to pay lawyers fees, court fees, and then that can be
that can be inconvenience fees, and then there could be Hey,
wait a minute. Do you guys want to after us for no reason, I
think really what they're they're trying to protect. And I
don't know, I don't use squad cast, I use clean feet, I like
clean feet, I certainly wouldn't want anyone to have any, any
issues. I just think that they have created something that
they're saying Holy crap, this is groundbreaking look at what
we can do in a lightweight and even mobile environment with
this stuff. And there's very, very specific about about that.
And so they want to protect their competitive upside, which
I think is marginal. Now, it could also be, just to be honest
about it, that they're raising money. And, and you know, the
final thing they had to do was show some patented technology.
This is not uncommon. Yeah, this is not uncommon. Oh, look, we
got we got into it. So they have some patented technology. And
now yeah, now you're better for some investment. I mean, these,
there's a lot going on. I just, I'm a conspiracy therapist, and
when I see one where I just think, you know, everyone's kind
of going off on this. And let me see what's happening. I just
felt
like you want to look at the other side, you want to look at
the other side, I always try to look at all sides. Yeah,
whenever it'd be, you're essentially a betting line. When
everything's on one side, you look at the other
100% That's the gig.
No, I think that's I think that's fair. I mean, it you
know, I think I grew up, I grew up in the open source,
generation of Sun Microsystems coming after everybody has a
patent troll. Oh, sure, you know, with the, with the SCO,
Unix junk, and then, and then the podcast, that podcast,
patent troll from, you know, seven or eight years ago, it's
like, you've got so much of this stuff that use it a bad taste in
your mouth. As soon as you see it. It's like, don't, don't do
that,
you know, Dave Weiner, and I didn't patent anything on on
RSS, sort of not anything on podcasting, none of that. If we
had you, and I most likely would not be sitting here talking and
the people might not even know what a podcast is. And what I've
discovered is I like the, the open way I like, you know, if
you want to call it Foss, but you know, whatever this project
is, because I know that just from the experience of RSS,
throughout its its inception, I've made millions of millions
of dollars, millions have spent more but millions of dollars.
And I don't think I ever would have gotten that in any in any
patent fees.
No, no, yeah. Not at all. Well, kind of in a related note, if we
I chose licenses for the namespace
I saw you got
that much. The choice I made was literally with I mean it was it
can be boiled down to just rolling some dice. And just
seeing what came out the other end I have no idea. I just use
the same thing that I always use, which is first things like
this. I think it was the Creative Commons. It was the one
that basically does everything it puts it in public domain but
in a safe way. It was that creative commons one is the Do
you think that's the right one to go with?
I as you know, I've defended Creative Commons in court and I
one where do I see the license?
It's on the on the podcast namespace on GitHub. Let me flip
back up here. It's on the right hand side is the CC zero dash
1.0 license I see
CCS zero what is it?
CC zero 1.0 Universal license point oh,
I see what it entails Yeah, let me go let me see public let me
just see what the protection is no copyright. Okay, the person
who associated work dedicated the work to public domain
waiving all of his rights you can copy modify, distribute in
no way is in no way or the patent or trademark rights of
any person affected unless expressly state otherwise versus
power by bah. So where's the protection this this is just
it's me You can copy modify, distribute and perform the work
even for commercial purposes all without asking permission.
I mean, that sounded like the way to get it because I've
always heard you don't want to actually do you don't want
actually want to use public domain you want to use a license
that gives you public domain in a safe way.
Yes, where you you can say I have this document that says I
can use it.
Yeah. It says limited permissions commercial use
modification, distribution, private use limitations,
liability trademark use patent use and warranty. Where's that?
I don't see that. That's at the top of the page like it's GitHub
giving you like a little a little rundown? If, if you're on
the live if you go to podcast namespace slash licensed.md
That's the
Oh yeah. Oh, this is actually the whole thing is pretty long.
It's good. Yeah. No, that's good. Okay. That's what we want.
Yeah. Here no trademarks or patent rights. Yeah, this is
good. Okay. All right. I think that's perfect. I love Creative
Commons. I'm a I'm a fan. I think it's it's the way to go.
I've used it I've again, I've I've used it to defend assholes
against the assholes. I mean, oh, and it worked.
Yeah, it was that the Dutch photographer stuff? Yeah, they,
yeah, they
took pictures from my Flickr at the time, which were all in
Flickr, I put them on Flickr, because you could mark them with
a Creative Commons license. And, and you're printing them on the
front page of the gossip magazines. And I said, Well,
what are you gonna pay me? They laughed, I said, Okay, I sue
them. Now, you know, and you have to understand that in a
socialist country, they're not going to give you some big
award, but I said, Look, this is what I think it would be worth.
And so they gave, they gave me no reward or award. But if it
ever happens again, it's some ridiculous amount of like,
10,000 euros per copy per day, you know, I would be a
millionaire.
Brian of London level money.
I basically don't show up in any magazines ever again, like
curry. He's like kryptonite man, which is, which is mission
accomplished. I would say mission accomplished.
Yeah, that's, that's That's it. They beat the intern. But if he
tried if he tries to push them then on the CMS Yeah. Buzzsprout
removed all the email addresses from their feeds. Would you say
that?
I saw the announcement. Yeah. Yeah. So that there's like,
click here or forever hold your peace? Yes.
So I feel like that means a couple of things like,
well, there goes half my income. How are we going to spend
podcasters with my great deals?
Oh, I know, I know with with your beef initiatives that
you're clearly a founder
of Yes. Oh, obviously, the Oh coordinates. Yeah, I got I got
points and everybody's deal. Sure. That's me. I'm not an
advisor. Actually, I am an advisor. I'm an unpaid adviser
of beef advisors. Right? That's right.
So pod ping allows it so the way they're doing it, I thought this
is interesting to bring up. The way they're doing it is they're
removing the The email address is not going to be in there. And
we made a change to the lock tag, because previously email
address was required for the lock tag. Not right. We made it
optional. And I'm not really sure why we ever made it mandate
require just went
in there. And without a vote you just willy nilly change
something in the in the holy namespace? Yes, excellent work.
Somebody stopped me. And I was like, wow, I kept thinking, I
was like, there must have been a reason there must have been
reason we did this. It made it required. And for the life of me
could not check and can't remember and require and
required things are like kryptonite anyway. So that you
don't, you don't ever want to use them unless you actually
have, like this supreme reason that makes sense to everybody.
We can remember if we can't even remember them. It's
ridiculous. Yeah. So remove that. And that allowed them to
take that out of the law tech. So the, the pot, so they're
going to remove that. And I'm just saying they can, they're
not going to be in there. But then you're gonna have the
option in their dashboard to turn it on for 24 hours. And
then we'll put it back in there, send a pod ping, we will report
the feed, suck the email address in if it's if we don't have it.
So the neat there's like a filter. So I think we need to
clean clean the database. When an email address is removed. I
don't think the code is currently doing that.
Oh, yeah. Well, of course you want to do that. Yeah, well,
yeah. Okay. Yeah. Yeah, we don't want that if we don't want it
otherwise. Or Or you still have some value. I'm good. bundle
that shit up.
Yeah, so yeah, we can make playlists out of it. Just you
know, get get websites for spamming people's email. The
Yeah, so that I think that's a Oh, one other thing I did. And
this may be interesting. I started sucking in some music
medium tags for this long running music analysis project.
How many how many days is that been running?
Many? I don't know how.
I'll bet you you're probably like 30 or 40% through it all.
If that.
I don't know where else Alex is on his because we split the load
half in half.
And I'm wondering what you're doing just so everyone knows.
Yeah. Okay, so we're, we wrote a tool called Slurpee that will
bring, they will suck down all of the enclosures, it'll suck
down all the the most recent enclosure from each feed in the
database in the index and save it as an mp3 file in the file
system. Then another, a Python script comes along behind it,
that does like a machine learning algorithm to detect
whether or not the mute the audio in that mp3 is music or
speech in and then it flags one or the other. So it just goes
through and does that all through. It actually gives it
three categories it gives it it gives it classifies it as either
music. Maybe, which is kind of like maybe music but I'm not
sure time to review or nothing. Yeah, or nothing. Yeah. So the
out of I am on podcasts index IDX 628,774. So I'm going
through up to 2 million. And then Alice has started at 2
million and is going to go through to the end.
There's a lot I'm looking at the curio Castro music tab. There's
more in here. Okay, definitely more than than the last time I
looked. Let me see. Let me see how many there it looks like I'm
missing a few like where did April Kirby go?
Oh, yeah. Okay, so this is yeah, this is from what I started.
Yep. Yeah, this is me putting these these in here. So what I'm
started doing this morning, is let's just say you queue
stories. The key is, we're gonna have to, we're gonna have to as
run some sort of verification on this. Because I'm already seeing
a few that may have been misclassified. You mean
conversations
with a chef? Let's see what let's see why the AI this would
be one of the reasons let's see how long the intro song is.
Hi, and welcome to
another episode of conversation with the chef. I'm Joe Ricci.
And I love sharing with you the conversations I get to have with
talented and passionate chefs. Interesting she had to mute her
mic is so tinny sounding it almost sounds like it's part of
the part of the song
I wonder if you keep going in that episode. Is there a Music
Bed through the whole thing?
I'll bet you there is not much and although we'd like to sit
Yeah, absolutely not the whole thing but the first
and then lots of background noise for that that first few
minutes man ai i can't wait until it's controlling my car so
good machine ml everybody machine learning
jealousy there's a bunch of things are clearly music but
yeah, wrapped out radio was wrapped out radio everybody.
Let's check it out. Ooh, they
talk to me. You talking about
talking about dropping a beat baby go home picking up. Yeah,
nice, man. It's good stuff. I gotta listen to I'm already
digging this. There's some good stuff. I'll bet where's this?
See what's the what's the website? There's, I wonder where
it's coming from? Is that coming from SoundCloud? Some of the
stuff.
Yes, all of this is actually coming from SoundCloud what I've
done what I'm doing right now in in in in an effort to get some
content in there for people to start playing with for music
apps. I'm trying to go ahead and suck in some some of these ones
that we feel pretty good about. But to make that even more
accurate, I'm just I'm only doing the ones that are on
SoundCloud for now if they have a SoundCloud URL, I'm going to
mark those with them within if they're on SoundCloud URL in the
in the the the machine learning was really confident that it was
music. I'm gonna I'm gonna mark those right, there's about nine
out of 628,774 it has found so far. 9775 So, I mean, this is
really just I want to say that we we know from talking to some
other people that there are definitely going to be music
podcasts coming down the pipe soon.
Oh, yeah. Let me just check this thing. What is this? I? Yeah, we
back. Me and Darren. Interesting. I got to say, Oh,
this is because people haven't entered To bite length I get
zero minutes one second but it's an hour. Oh, I see. Yeah. Anyway
okay, Dave I love this stuff man. I love this stuff I love
this this is so cool
ending on random music interface for a podcast app or a music
based your life just got a heck of a lot easier as what we're
saying yeah, you got
content now and then if you even if you have even thought about
doing that I encourage you to please go ahead and start coding
something because it's gonna
go fast it's gonna have an influx go ahead and say we're
gonna have an influx coming
yeah that's not that's not just a prediction That's for real
Yeah.
Blood force locked down rested volatile mix cool super duper
I love this what is air you on the curio caster pages that were
Yeah, the music and music Tennessee number three from the
Top Gun. Guns you underground radio?
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else on music? See? Now Oh, yeah. Well, here's what I guess
one more thing on music is? How do we want to go about there's
gonna be some cute human validation of these things to
weed out the ones that are misclassified. And how do we
want to do that? is sure to be a UI for that or what? Well,
podcast events
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song is is this this feed is misclassified?
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That's why I'm here brother.
Sir, you've you've proven your utility
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out in 45 minutes? Well, we do we have a heart out we have we
got stuff to do. I can't believe we you accepted this invitation
time we should
have said I'm no years old. Every time you say heart out it
makes me giggle.
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it is. More ducks for the pond 2222 from Mike Dell, the bird is
free. Oh yeah, well, I'll just say it right now. Don't be all
don't get too all giddy about Twitter being free. Because I'm
gonna I'm gonna tell you right now what's coming next, you will
be forced to verify your identity. It's the only way you
can get rid of the spam and the bots. And then the fun is over.
Because you can get sued for saying things for trolling, you
can do things that are wrong in certain countries. Certainly.
Did you see what Elon said when he posted his open letter to
Avatar advertisers? Did you see that? No. He said, he said a
lot. But he said, no doubt. As part of it. He said, I also very
much believed that advertising when done right can delight,
entertain and inform you. It can show you a service or product or
medical treatment that you never knew existed but is right for
you. Right for this to be true. It is essential to show Twitter
users advertising that is as relevant as possible to their
needs. Low relevancy ads are spam. But high relevant ads are
actual content. Fundamentally, Twitter aspires to be the most
respected advertising platform in the world that strengthens
your brand and grows your enterprise. Let's build
something extraordinary together.
No, okay, that's fair enough. Sounds good. Like,
that's good. But, I mean, if you think about it, in terms of
monetizing the network, you can't get high relevancy from
the network itself without invading people's privacy.
That's the only way and he will have that and, and the
government will love it. And lawyers will love it and the fun
will be over the trolling will be over. If it's not anonymous,
it's not going to be fun. Anyway,
they're gonna they're gonna be a better Facebook than Facebook.
Dude, Facebook is so dead. It's not even funny. They're the only
halfway down and they only have a billion dollars in free cash
flow they generated that's
a problem. That's not good at all.
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many too many. You got to cut off man. You got to start
cutting off at 10,080
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streams
are you doing? I thought you were adding up number of
donations and like we can't do ad donations.
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Auburn citadel. Sin us. Okay, we're gonna have to come back to
this. I'll do pay pal. First he he's got his stream amount set
to 3333 He's streaming is 3333 a minute.
Just do you think he realizes this? And he did it last week
too. He's
got to realize it. Surely he's done because he'd have to
reload.
Holy guacamole is
crap. I will we'll do math on that in a second. Let's see we
got some. We got some some papers starting off Buzzsprout
$500.
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Thank you guys. Thank you, Tom. so much, guys. Thank you, Kevin.
In the crew at Buzzsprout. Thank you every month for that.
Yeah, thank you for thinking of us. Yes, we do. Yes we do.
Also our buddy, Oscar at fountain
sorry. This is I just opened in the world. That's the that's the
Alby Saturn interface you can go to live and so it's shows you
boosts but it also shows you the per per minute so I was looking
to see if I can see the 3330 there's
I thought you're playing Subway Surfers to get us some more
download numbers
and this page has I have to say so massive, massive confetti
flying all over it when something comes in it's it's
quite spectacular. Oh my goodness.
Our buddies big spurt. Oscar and Nick over fountain gave us $200
They do this every month. I'll do we're very appreciative.
Yeah, not an advisor.
Not not a paid advisor.
Thank you so much. Oscar. You have been chatting with Oscar a
little bit about Bitcoin in the UK.
He also said that they're once he's done with all this this
most recent round of improvements. They're going to
work on lit.
Oh, that'd be good. That'd be good. That's a big missing piece
there for them. Yeah, it's because I messaged you because
you don't if you saw it, the UK had some like they've had some
regulations come.
I was not. Not not followed or what happened? What was the was
the rag?
I asked him what he thought about and he said he thinks is a
net positive. I don't remember the exact details. Take a look.
Yeah, they he thinks that he thinks it was a good thing.
Jennifer Navarette. She still has not said how to pronounce
her name. But she continues to come in every week.
It's okay. That way.
$30 this week,
thank you. Very appreciated.
First, thank you. Podcasting has new life because of podcast
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Thank you digitary Which does help this just keep servers
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Yeah, we did lose. We lost a $20 monthly subscribers.
Yeah, people. Apparently PayPal just snuck their $2,500 fine
right back into their acceptable use policy and just Oh, yeah,
it's in there. Yep.
Are you kidding me? No, no no news at all. They just came
right back and no
reporting on it as you notice. It's important to note it's
important to note the under the Pay Pal terms and conditions you
may not post right speak fart negatively about Pay Pal.
Otherwise, that is grounds for them to cut you off. Just
letting you know. Yeah.
Well, that's that's a
that's long term policy. They've had that policy for a long time.
Let's do a riff in this way. It is in sports, too. If you
badmouth the referee or the conference that you're a part of
you get you get heavy, heavy fine, like they can they can
smack you down. So got on.
Yeah, but 2500 bucks right out of your bank account is a little
different than being smacked down. It's like, that's a lot of
money.
Now, that's no, that's, I mean, that would be devastating. So we
don't yeah, that's like three months worth of donations. Well,
it's not just that if you read the language, if you support
something that promotes dismiss information, you know,
terrorism, whatever else, you can get dinged as the financial
year
and you also get the 2500 hit
you get the $2,500 hit it's not the recipient necessarily if you
are funding that yes
it's it stands me that they did it and then apologized and said
oh no, no, we didn't mean to and then immediately went back and
did it again
doesn't does it as does it really it doesn't really
surprise you.
That kind of does honestly that that does because they were so
like I don't know they were so like anonymous apologetic but
they were like oh no, no, no, we didn't meet that wasn't supposed
to be that was just a draft proposal. Some wording. I don't
think that no one does surprise me. Yeah. That they came back
within just went right back in there.
None of this surprises me. This is why we got together two and a
half years ago. Yeah. None of it surprises me all right we got
any more
prepare for the future but you don't like to see happen.
I think it's exciting that even though we got her we got her
pretty pretty good by by people canceling PayPal. Those are the
Sustaining monthly donations they matter. They matter. Six by
the way we celebrated 15 years of the it's the celebrate the
15th anniversary week this week for no agenda. Happy birthday.
Thank you. It was it's it you know what the hard part about
value for value? It's hard after all these years and for all the
value that people have provided. I'm talking and of show mixers,
artists, I mean, you know, you can't thank everybody. And if
you try you, you'd miss hundreds. It's possible. Yeah,
but it's anyway. Yes. We made it 15 years, we're still alive.
Do you have access to a calculator? I do. Can you
calculate what 3333 times 108 is?
Okay. 3333 times 108 359,964
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nice so I don't think he had the streaming set for that. I think
it was just he was boosting without a boost to Graham.
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wasn't a boost
you may be right how did he I'm gonna have to invent this this
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from what app fountain
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huh? I'm gonna have this dis requires investigation. I'm
gonna get to the bottom of the web,
minus 30 minutes for your heart out.
That's what that means speed up. Really Schonfeld? 54321.
And may I say? The latest breeze update? Oh, my goodness. The
Have you have you used breeze since update?
I have not opened it. But I know that it notified me that I
needed to because it said my chain was out of sync.
You will love it. It feels like a feather. Oh, it is so fast. It
is it things are just it feels like it's like I don't know
what, I can't even explain it. But of course, you know, I use
all these apps. So you feel that difference? The payments work
faster, or at least what's shown. It's good is and the
podcasting features are kind of coming up there and is that
really working hard or making a good podcast app in it?
Okay, I just opened in Linux sync and then I'll use it on way
back to the office. Rosenfeld 54321 Thank you, Roy.
Roy.
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speaking slowly as hard. It is. Mere Mortals podcast is our
friend chyron. He says long form and unedited are my favorite
podcasts by far. One and I also regularly call each other out on
and off air for the repetitive non useful words. Like is a
serial offender for me. And the classic Aussie positive
negative. Yeah, no or no. Yeah.
Yeah, no. This I think relates to the conversation we had about
the editing the decent roof editing tool, I think. Yeah. And
there's one of the things I wanted to mention about that. I
hear in regularly, I'd say maybe once every 10 days out here, an
edit that was not picked up, which I think is the fault of
the script. And I'm not sure if it's a bug. And I and I hear
James do it a lot. And I heard one on pod news this week. Yeah,
I hear them all the time. And he'll he'll pick it up but then
it wasn't corrected and the Edit wasn't made. And I wonder if
it's, it could be where you're if you're just reading. If
you're just reading the transcript and you're making
your edits that way it may be very easy to miss a double word,
you know, end of end of previous line beginning of the next line.
That's what it sounds like a little bit sometimes when you
read it as a perfect sentence. Use your ears, people
I like I like it when that happens because I get to laugh
at him in the car while I'm driving.
Why are we even that you're right our secret little
humorous? Guilty pleasure. Yes. ruined it ruined it.
Okay. That was 22 to 22. From Karen. Thank you guys.
Appreciate you all anonymous 1337 says, what if? What if you
shift some of the opinions and thoughts on GitHub issues into
GitHub discussions?
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million Focus on the Family. Focus on the Family. Yeah. So
we're helping them out a little bit you more than me because you
know all this stuff better. But you figured out what their
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I can't say much more but we largely won our little court
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they asked us for
are you better hurry up man that could be out of money by the
time you win all that crap
would that not be the biggest kick in the crotch?
It would be horrible if they completely went bankrupt just at
the time when and by the way, if Brian wins, they will bankrupt
they will be big they will be bankrupt yes
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Hey, there's something wrong here. But I can't What is this?
It's very sad news. I just got a live boost from Sam Sethi.
10,000 SATs. Another great show guys can't wait for the Spurlock
interview. But it's goodbye from pod land episode 100. Next week
is our last one.
Whoa, what?
I what I understand
this is they must be I heard
him joking on the show. I'm like, maybe they're changing the
format or something. Don't get me all. If this is your idea of
some kind of promotional item where you get me all emotionally
involved. Because I like pod land is one of the podcasts I
listened to religiously. I'm pissed off when it doesn't come
in on Thursday.
Guys, it's it's October 28 is not April 1. This is not
appropriate.
Anyway, if it is, then you know, Sam, I'll do a podcast with Sam.
I have I have another I have a day somewhere don't I?
Yeah. Wednesday.
Thank you, Sam. Appreciate that.
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Do you know just on a lark? Well, we're at 211
we have we have 90 minutes to manage 19 for the heart. Ouch.
Thanks, control room. Thanks,
Rob. Just for just for giggles. I pulled our download numbers
from the OP three.
Oh, good, because I want to I had a question about that. Yeah.
So what range and what did you do? What did we get here?
And then while he's printed this out looks like just a few off
the off the cuff stats here. So we got our biggest podcasting
two point or the podcast Nippon 2.0 app that people listened to
us the most honest fountain and then we'll see looking through
so we got this fountain will obviously apples to the Apple
podcast app fountain, Google Chrome. That's number two. So
Chrome is the second most it's probably curio Castro, but I
would think so. Yeah, probably Pocket Cast is right behind that
then antenna pod, podcast addict, overcast.
And how many Apple will see seeing an apple it's only up to
seven. So it's very low on the scale.
Is the Apple iPhone generic is probably the streaming so it's
it's somewhere. I'm thinking that somewhere probably around
2500 app, Apple podcasts.
And this is over what period?
This is for. I just picked our steak and eggs episode one. Oh,
just one episode. Oh, so how many total?
How many total was flipped over here? 7355. There are 99 of
those were bots.
How many? Seven 7000 usin.
That's that's Total downloads. And so if you it's going to be
rearranged is somewhere around 1400 I think and so I think the
total true number is around 4000.
Now sounds good. Sounds about right. This more than I thought
actually
get a little more than that thought to. But then our, our
most will see we Chicago is still the first that's probably
just an artifact within Dallas, maybe get some regional stuff is
cool. Yeah, just curiosity. More than anything,
because I think how many episodes have no agenda have I
put up there now?
Quite a few. Yeah. We haven't that every week or?
Yeah, every show. Do we have a month's worth yet?
Oh, that we do. Do?
Do we don't let me see. That would be we have to finish up.
How does it work? You have to finish out the month right. So
we may see favorite feeds or favorite feeds? No agenda. Here
we go. Let me see. A month ago would be I think episode 1490.
That was on podcast index run now. Now that we need it needs
to be 1491.
Yep. 1491 had op three in it. Yep. Okay, so 1490 had it in it.
And 1489.
Right, right. But we need to finish out we need to finish out
the month. We'll just do it over the date range. Not not the
episode, but I just want to know how many suppose it so called
downloads in a month.
So not September 25 was the first episode that had mp3 in
it. And so we're already past the month mark. We're on October
28. Okay. Oh, so we can pull that we can pull that data?
Sure. Thanks. So we can calculate how much we would make
with advertising. That's the only reason I do it. Get a kick
out of it. But we look how rich we could be doing it right.
No, we don't have we don't have an exit. We'll just go down with
the ship.
Let me see. I don't think I had anything else. That's all. I
mean, at least not not that aren't longer topics to dive
into.
Oh, let's get some stuff.
I'm just looking at our 14 minutes we have left for our
hurricane. Okay, I'm just saying. Like, nevermind, we got
142 on the clock, buddy. I think we're good. We've done it. Once
again. We've gotten through a whole board meeting without
fighting.
Which we do so much.
Thank you everybody in the chat room. Thank you everybody who's
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