Oh, podcasting 2.0 for November 11 2022 with episode 110 paws
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other end ladies and gentlemen Mr. Dave Jones
you're the rainstorm cowboy No, I am I am
the rainstorm cowboy
I've got a I've got a proposal right out of the bat. Oh really
is the wrong way to say you know say it right out of the bat
right off the bat that's what I'm saying.
Wow, I mean before the intro music's even over Yeah, I mean,
no banter No, no funny stuff back and forth you're straight
to be is Okay ladies, gentlemen. This board meeting is open all
right.
I would propose that we create a cryptocurrency here we go find
podcast index and we're gonna call it like something like PCC
How about the podcast? Pod? Pod
pod just to make it obvious we love it so much pod Yes. Okay.
Then we vet we somehow get it we do some magical behind the
scenes things to get it valued roughly 20 to $22 a share a
coin. And we go out and we
we leverage we invest in a lot of companies. We start a
nonprofit foundation.
That too. Yeah, these are all great ideas that I didn't even
think of originally but they're all they all fit so we should do
all that and then everything will turn out fine. And it will
be will be great for the for the rest of our lives.
But we don't have to dwell on that too much. But of course
we're talking about the the cryptocurrency meltdown and
let's just say once again there's a difference between
cryptocurrencies and Bitcoin and look at who will be left
standing this is all going to go to zero except Except Bitcoin
even the dollar eventually will go to zero against Bitcoin. The
but we won't be around to witness that but eventually we
won't be here to witness that. But well, do you
want to go do you want to like run?
No, not really. Necessary?
Yes, I do. And why I think because I think people Trent
Deuce they're getting you know, they're getting used to Satoshis
and getting used to All right, all right, it coin as a as a way
to pay people within podcast apps. And they need to
understand why what what does well, okay,
you're right. You're right. I'm sorry. You're right. You're
right. You are right,
ft start with FTX FTT.
No, let me start with any cryptocurrency? No, I'm not
gonna start with any cryptocurrency you put me on the
spot, you're gonna get it? So I start with? No. By the way, I do
not talk to my wife this way. Contrary to popular opinion, I
also do not. So any cryptocurrency that has a CEO,
by definition, is not decentralized. Bitcoin does not
have a CEO. So when you have a CEO of something, and in this
case, not just have an exchange where you can trade and buy and
sell different quote Kryptos. But also CEO of one of the
actual Kryptos itself, you have to understand that that
structure is in fact the antithesis of Bitcoin, whenever
you have a centralized authority, and, and even theory
them, and I don't want to get into all of that. That's why
it's always like I didn't I just want to be careful. But if it
has a CEO, it just by definition is not going to be
decentralized. Someone calls the shots. Someone has some control
over something. Yeah. And what has happened, and this, this is
something that's built up over a long amount of time, is because
it was so misunderstood exactly what what cryptocurrency is, but
you know, as long as it's on an exchange, you can trade it. And
it has value. People eventually started trusting that and
there's billions in this, but you're looking at to SBF Sam
Backman, fried Adagio, he's unfortunate magazine is the
neck. He's the new JP Morgan and he's the next Warren Buffett. I
mean, it's true. But all of this ultimately, and I'm kind of
making some big shortcuts here is all based upon the real
problems, not just the exchanging of coins back and
forth. That's kind of an outgrowth of the core business,
which is give us you Are Bitcoin an actual valuable asset that
has no CEO no centralization, that you can become a part of
with a some dice and a pencil and a pad. They say, give us
your Bitcoin and we'll store it here. And then they use that as
collateral for their own coins and other coins that they hold
as a, as a, quote, stable asset. Now, of course, you have already
relinquished that Bitcoin. So it's really it's not yours at
that point already. But it really is the basis of as a part
of it, because there's also other assets. So on top of that,
now they start to leverage it and the hook is, well, we're
gonna give you 810 12 15% interest on the Bitcoin that you
store with us.
Now, how does that but it's in the form of FTT,
it's in the form of their coin, exactly. But even even with that
said, they were either bringing in new people with new Bitcoin
to pay that, you know that, because eventually people want
to withdraw in Bitcoin. So you do, you have to have some
bitcoin that you can give to them. And then we're also
creating their own coin behind it. So the minute you got some
problems in the market, and competitor, and there's a whole
history there, say, hey, you know, we're dumping a half a
billion, we don't trust this guy, then you get a classic bank
run. And you know, the way all fractional banking, everything
where the CEO works this way, is you have maybe 1020 mil, maybe
1% of the actual assets that you have outstanding, because you
don't expect the bank room because you have trust. The
thing that's interesting in this case is this FBF character, who
has a very well connected family, highly, highly
politically connected, was the top third donor, political donor
across the board in this midterm election, mainly for I think,
only for Democrats. But, you know, has a foundation you know,
doing good for the world. But he pretty much admitted the openly
that he was basically running a Ponzi scheme, and which is the
definition of how these things were working. And, and there's a
lot of hate for him now. Because, you know, the whole
thing eventually collapses, like, go watch. It's a Wonderful
Life, you know, that's, that's the base. It's just a wonderful
life all over again, only this time in Technicolor. And I would
say the thing that I noticed. And Dave, you and I talked about
this, we have to go into great detail about the event itself,
but there was a he was doing an interview and at a certain
point, all of a sudden, you see him, like realize that what he's
saying is, is complete garbage and that he's full of crap. And
then he's it was like, like some Mind Control programming that he
snapped himself out of it. You could and I think, based upon
the hype of the financial industry who should know better,
and by the way, Blackrock invested, Sequoia Capital
invested some Canadian unions invested, this whole thing of
everyone was complicit. Yeah, it really what they really were and
so this, this poor kid who was pretty young, who looks pretty
introverted, and maybe easy to mind, control, mass, throw some
hookers on that guy and imagine what you can do. Yeah. I'm just
thinking how other people think people. Yeah, yeah. And so he
was he was, you know, proverbially smoking his own
dope. And so the whole thing came crumbling down, but now
we're going to see the contagion and the reason in my belief, why
Bitcoin goes down besides trust in overall cryptocurrencies, at
this moment, is the liquidation of Bitcoin that has to be
selling Bitcoin to try and get out of as many bad positions as
quickly as possible as this thing, spirals all the way down.
So, so very classic, but there's 1000s of coins and things
connected to, you know, to these types of organizations. I think
we'll see more, and they may not be all exchanges, but you know,
there's a lot of coins that will go out of existence and there's
more pain to come. But in the meantime, if you look around and
look on Twitter, you'll see that you know, people say oh, yeah,
Bitcoin seems like that's, yeah, it's going down. But you know,
it's also bouncing back up. It seems to be resilient. And
there's reasons why it's because it's it truly is decentralized.
No one calls the shots no one who has to do a mia culpa at the
end of a meltdown, like SBF how was that? Beautiful explanation?
Teen minutes of wasted energy? I'm sorry, nine, only nine.
You're just in your head. It's like it's No, I think that's I
think that's a I think that's a good thing to go over because
you have people. I mean, this stuff is hard to understand.
Yeah. Elson, you've got you've got Bitcoin that's a 20,000
Isn't bumping 21 And literally the next day, it's at 17. And
it's not, it's not all psychology, it there are
technical factors that are that are happening in other parts of
the market that are affecting the HELOC. And in this scenario,
you know, the two big players were by Nance and in FTX, nobody
knows, but by Nance, they could be in trouble too. Oh, yeah. Oh,
definitely. This would be what they did by essentially doing a
margin doing a call on all of their, you know, FDA access, and
when they they sold at all, they they drove the price down to
almost zero and then they, they could have done that purely on a
defensive move. They look at the they look at the at the
chessboard, and they say, Okay, we're the two were two big
player were the two big players. We don't want to die. So we're
just gonna go ahead and get rid of ft here. We're gonna
sacrifice Maybe he likes to preserve ourselves. Maybe
I mean, you know, the conspiracy theories are all over the place.
Like this guy was always a shill. And you Biden came out
and said, We need their regulation on cryptocurrency
that could be part of it. I don't know. But that's like, I
don't really I want to talk about podcasting, because I'm
really excited.
Okay, well, I've got stuff to talk about, but you feel like he
seems like you got something going. Once you fired up? What
do you get? Well, what
I wanted to do start off is have everybody take a little mental
snapshot of this moment. Of this moment.
snapshotting.
Got it, because all of you are part of it. And so 18 years from
now, when people are talking about 2.0 You're gonna say yeah,
I was great in the beginning. was crazy. It was insane. Oh,
yeah. Oh, yeah. Man, there is stuff happening. Dave? I mean,
we are so off to the races. Oh, my God. Todd Cochran is like,
did you hear the new media show?
I haven't heard any podcasts in the last three days. Okay,
because
I got done listening to. And we'll talk about pod news weekly
review in a minute. But I got I was by maybe halfway through new
media show. And Todd is just like, he's just so he's really
deep into value for value. He's just going over it bit by bit.
He's educating. He's excited. He's got ideas. He got secret
meetings, he, you know, like, there's big stuff coming down
the pipe. He's saying that, you know, people will be really
surprised about podcasting. 2.0 I'm like, damn, I find out what
Todd knows is good. secret meetings.
I like this.
I love secret meetings. I mean, it's just, oh, James, I'm gonna
put big baller into the show notes for today. He needed other
than me, if I don't do that right away, then I might forget
it. Yeah. Because he had a big baller boost. And he was like,
Well, if I if I got to have the correct, I haven't bragged if it
was in the repo, and then
you've been standing all week in front of a mirror trading
practice?
Pretty much. No, but the amount of apps and I would say mainly
the external stuff that is popping up. So I was listening
to to James, I guess from pod news, but it's an Australian
company. So it makes sense and, and pod News in Review is this
visie vi ZZ yvz.fm. And we had them on the show. Right but but
now they have cloud chapters.
Yeah. Saw that saw that they he was a nick is the guy over
visit. And he was he's been saying that from that they've
been working on that for a while. That is it was really
cool to see that finally emerge. I haven't I have not looked at
the app yet to see what what's going on there.
And, and I you know, we have porn producers in our midst now.
Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. It's a math, Major League podcast porn. This
this con No, this contracts thing. CO n sh a x, the value
for value dashboard. Dude, I'm gonna start doing screenshots
and posting them and, you know, on
on read down, read it.
It's true porn. I mean, it's like you're looking at there's
so many ways to slice and dice your statistics. And your
statistics are based on money. So it's like, it's like skipping
this whole industry in the middle. Instead of looking at
your stats in your dashboard for your posting company. Oh, it
looks like Man, look, I can't believe there's 10 People in
Iceland. Man this is really great. it and you know, okay,
how do I do? When is my audience growing? And then do I have
enough to get some ads? And you know, I got $24, you know,
whatever. But now, it's like you cut all that out and you're
actually already doing analysis on money. But you don't view it
as money. It's it's statistics, it's listening minutes. It's,
it's loyalty, they have all these little, little things
little algos that run. And if I understand that this is the
impressive part, is this built with WebAssembly? Is my browser
doing all this work? Yes, that is mind blowing. So there's no
server? No server?
So did they get? Did they get it to where it could handle your
volume?
Absolutely not? No, not even close. I mean, so here's the and
it's so interesting. Because of the experience we have with
heavy paddock, I can feel what's going on, I know how, how things
draws and batches in from your notes. So in essence, what
you're doing is you're connecting your web browser with
a virtual machine with a an application running in the
database and all kinds of stuff, I guess, you're connecting that
to your lb wallet, and then bringing in through, you know,
the traditional protocols is bringing in your data. So first
of all, I mean, I have almost 200,000 transactions that just
gets me to I think when I started using get Alby around
the beginning of October, but it takes a long time for it to load
everything in and, and then
slicing and oldest and going to the newest notes starting
in starting at newest and going to oldest Thank goodness. Oh, so
you can start using it right away, although and it is good
dynamic. So as you're looking at it, you know, like the most
supported episode will change dynamically. So without
refreshing anything. But it's you know, without having a full
spectrum. So I don't really know when I have seven days or 30
days. Do I have it all in there. It shows me that's loading, but
I need a timeline, which would be cool. So okay, this is how
far back in the database it is, or this is how far back you want
to go. And then in general, in general, I'm using brave, just
let you know. It's a little on the slowest side with that
amount of data. It's still mind boggling. And and I've just been
using it for analyzing the difference between the no agenda
15th anniversary week episodes, which by the way would be so
cool to overlay that with some OPI three data. Oh, my God, I'm
getting wood here. So cool. So but what I mean is that, in
addition to all this, the TX T tag, which seems to be garnering
support, and you know, we obviously there's some some
opportunities, I think people are are seeing this. Thank you.
Thank you to everybody who trusts us with your goods. I
mean, I know it's the same trust as with your value block. And
obviously the feed is the ultimate source of truth. But
you know, that's a responsibility. I don't take
lightly.
What do you mean trust with your goods? I
don't understand what we're because the we're driving the
GUID project and we're now the place to look up your GUID.
Oh, yeah. Yes. Which mean? Well, that's in that has to get
better. So that's part of what I've been thinking about. And
this week, and there has to be a quick do it res like good
resolution thing, because this is this is going to start tying
in to everything like a DNS. Yeah, yeah. I mean, there has to
be a good resolver that's open and doesn't need an API key and
things like that. In I'm thinking about
a home, that is so cool. A good resolver Nice. Yeah, yeah.
Marketing dream. Okay, keep going.
Yeah. So you get there would be you know, let's just say get on
a podcast good.io or whatever needs slash slash the GU ID and
it gives you back the feed URL. Like, it just needs to be that
simple. There has to be like, Yeah,
of course. Just super fast. Yeah, course.
And I'm thinking. So I'm thinking that it doesn't, I
don't want to tie that to the index API. I'd rather because
you me, you still get to do it to the index API. But I'd like
to have it just a standalone bread stamp. Yeah. And possibly
through a Cloudflare worker with you know, absolutely,
absolutely. You said that it's boom, boom, boom, he just hit it
1000 times to say
something that event of total meltdown someone could Uh, Rick
compile it from GitHub and have it up and running in a couple
hours.
Yeah, it's gotta just keep working. Yeah, it's just gotta
keep working all the time. Because that's that's where
we're going with this because here's a I don't know if you've
been keeping an eyeball on the discussions around like,
updating external way call assets like updating external
assets like chapter transcripts, blah, blah, blah, Dave, I
know everything. Okay. But refresh my memory,
since you are intimately familiar with updating external
assets. I would like to return refresh your memory on the on
the sometimes problematic nature of that
Oh, usually problematic, that in itself is problematic
on this sometimes problem matory?
Well, so yes.
The said sometimes you update the chapters, as in no agenda.
Yeah. After the fact a few hours later. Yep. And nobody knows you
did it. So you have to go check. And then you're back to the No,
I do if I may. If I may. interject, you may. Thank you.
The process as I understood it, is I can update that and then I
can I hit pod ping again. Of course they don't have a reason
code. So Zola's still be up to the individual apps and
podcasts. And in fact, podcasts index as to how that is handled.
Is that not the expected way with a reason code in the
future?
Is there that is that is a proposed way with a reason code
in the future from Alex. He has proposed on the GitHub, a notify
reason code of update e x t. Which would say, you know, the
three didn't update.
Oh, right. External Data external resources. Nice one.
Yes. And that ties to the GU ID. So we need the GU ID resolver in
place before. Before we can why
these other things. Why do we need the GUID resolver that in
that spot?
Because it's going to reference the updated? The updated Oh, for
for speed will be this good. This good? Updated?
Right? And then short? Is it short? Is
it like a new? I'm sorry to keep interrupting my numbers? Is this
kind of like it? So we'll pod ping soon also just be accepting
goods instead of URLs or in addition to
in? Probably not, I mean, because that's coming from.
That's TBD. Okay. Well,
jumping ahead and ruining the politics.
No, no, no remote item also needs good. So we're, Oh, heck
yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So we we need guid on that thing I need.
Good. What's your Hey, baby? What's your good hold on a
second? I'm writing these down T shirt. Hello, shop. Hello,
podcast index shop. What's your good babes?
Have good question, Mark.
Oh, where's the good? Where's the good?
Oh, yeah. So that we need we need that. That's Oh, I like I
feel good. That's good. I like that hard hat. Yeah, we need
that. So that's gonna be the priority.
So yeah, Ice Cube soup is is semi trolling, say this is so
painful, I think to listen to. I think instead of being cryptic
and a douchebag, because he says too bad. There wasn't already a
globally scaled system, which provided for lookup of arbitrary
key slash value data, which has been proven as an immense scale
over the course a decade that you mean, you just want to say
hey, how about DNS? Is that what you want to say? Be a little
productive, bro.
I don't want to I don't want to put like nailed
the voice I know of course.
I want to lodge it I want to Fort it. Can I lodge a protest?
I did not know that this was a troll room. I thought this was a
chat room. And I did not know that trolls were invading this
one.
But that's my fault. You know, with me comes the good and the
bad, the good and the bad.
Okay, but DNS. I don't want to put 5 million records in DNS
please. Do I mean,
The Good, the Bad and the Ugly?
That's a good one. Actually. That's pretty good. I'm not you
know, you do whatever you want. But I'm not putting, you know,
five, 6 million records in DNS. I'm just not doing that. And I'm
not building my own back end for a DNS front end. This just does
this is madness. So yeah.
The pod sage has spoken. This is madness.
Yes. And This this is not happening. So yes, this will
this will be a thing, but it will not be based on poor DNS.
Because then everybody will say, you know, the problem is always
good.
Hey man, you can get a handshake h and s name for that. Buy my
shit coin.
That's how we'll fund it. Yeah.
All right. What's your idea? Smarty Pants?
Me? Yeah, the result the just a straight HTTP URL resolver DNS,
by the way, DNS, if you haven't noticed that's moving off of
isn't going away from UDP, and going to DNS over HTTPS anyway.
So the world is HTTP
resolver. For you may I mean, I understand the concept of result
of a resolver. What is the what's the stack? What's that?
Do you use for said revolver? resolver? Remember all the good
revolver?
So it is just a single call. It's just like, you know, the
stack would be Cloudflare? Hopefully, I got you. It would
just be like, you know,
right. But so put that into database? Or is that just flat
file? How does that work?
What they have there? I forgot what is called this, like
distributed block storage or not block storage, but it's like
their version of Dynamo DB or whatever. I wish I could
remember the name of it, it's what johnsburg blocks using for
op three was enough for Spurlock it's good enough for me.
Well, you know, you got these edge event edge nodes all over
the place that have local copies of of a distributed key value
store. And you can just tap into that. And, you know, this is all
just simplistic data, you know, it's like, feed guid Feed URL.
Yeah.
Okay, great idea. Well, I again, I love that we're building that.
And I think it's incredibly important. It will really
because I understand the value of it. And how it will enable a
lot of things under the hood. A lot of things and I just want to
put on I'm sorry, you're done with good. We have more to do
about good.
No, I'm good.
You're good. Yeah, that was that was good one, Dave, thanks to
play.
I have been able to this was the beginning of the week. And now
I'm already excited about so many other things I've really
been blown my mind has been blown by the conversation we had
in the last board meeting about the concept of putting 1% split
into your value block to activate a value for value
service, or as value for value. Or you could make it more or the
I mean, it's not pure value for value, but and which may be
limiting. But, you know, a service could say, you know, we
require three 3% or whatever, you split that off, and then you
get that service, you're able to access that because they have
your payment information, you know, the the streaming sets.
And I just need to keep saying how it's like a podcast or API,
it's so beautiful. I don't have to think about any other
integration other than that one thing, just add this service to
the split, and it goes and and you can always have
authentication if you don't want to be public, etc. Right? It's
just blowing my mind. Does that make any sense?
Yeah, no, that's it's been it scales perfectly. Because if you
have if you if I if I activate your service with a 1% split,
and as my show grows, I'm paying you more money without having to
do anything. You're you're getting more, you're getting
more money from me because it's a percentage of my of my
earnings rather than a static amount, right? And there's no
1999 a month. Yes, it's a it's a 1%. So if all of a sudden my
show grows, as you know, grows by a factor of 20. Well, then my
support to you grows by a factor of 20 as well. And that's just
like, to me, it's a beautiful, scaling sliding support system
that you don't have to worry about, you know, oh, we
accidentally sold it too cheap in the beginning. Now we've got
to come back and ask for more money because the service is
getting you know, creaky because things are
and there's no and there's no sign up or sign off. You know,
it's like remove your remove your split. And and I'm so
excited. I don't know if I talked about this. I'm so
excited. Comic Strip blah. Blogger really drove this. And I
knew there was a reason he's been in my life for 30 years. He
he pushed it near we I don't know if we Talk about this last
week about the no agenda album art.
We did, but it was just in the idea phase, it was not in the
action phase.
Oh, so you did yesterday. So he really pushed this. And and the
artists are now using Albie wallets and they're putting that
there get Alby address into their profile on no agenda Art
Generator no agenda twice a week picks a new piece of art right
after the show which artists have made while listening to the
show live and that become so when we find that very exciting
that the album art changes. It's a great use of podcasting, 2.0
tags and all kinds of stuff like that. And the rest of the art is
used for chapters, which we'll get to in a minute. So I you
know, I've mentioned this many times before on this show, even
on no agenda, Hey, gang, we should get your so I'm kind of
like yourself, and I'll be check that out. So finally, someone
was awarded with the, with the art and had get Alby in their,
in their profile, I didn't see it comics or Blogger did. And by
chance, or by scale, the past three artists have all had an lb
wall in their profile. So I just added them right in 10%. And the
joy, the joy. He was very excited, of course, because
you're seeing the SAT streaming, and oh, by the way, go get him
get a hold of contracts. And then you know, start to slice
and dice and see the performance of your art and you know, maybe
other podcasters will do this as well. And you know, there's a
whole sub industry. It's how
can't you in a situation like that, so as I'm thinking about
the the our generator, website, I mean, it would be pretty
simple to hook that into the Alby back end with a name with a
wealth API, where you can just maybe just create a wallet,
right,
great idea. Great idea. I don't know if Sir Paul couture listens
to podcasts and 2.0 but I'm sure someone is listening. In no
agenda nation who can can offer that up?
Just just riffing on the on the beauty of open systems.
And with that comes something else a I was wrong. I was very
wrong about something very, very wrong. And I want to apologize
or I want to say I was wrong. I was wrong about the comments
implemented with booster grams, that fountain drove and
implemented. All the things I thought that would happen. And
I've done that I've been using the fountain app, I've been
interacting with the comments. On no agenda. Since that's where
we left we left it turned on. I've been looking at the boost
amounts of I've tracked this and it has only added to the value
for value it did not detract as I expected it would from larger
boosts. In fact, what will what what we can do with that is
second thing the the main thing is I may a culpa, I apologize, I
had hate in my heart, about this particular towards all of
Britain, but I had hate my
all of it was a whole Commonwealth, your
definitely Australia, Australia, the old thank you for correcting
me, anyone British who's involved in this. I was like, I
apologize for that. Because this really is something very
interesting. It's working incredibly well. I don't know,
if it's simple to do something decentralized that enables this
cross platform. And I don't want to confuse the issues but it's,
it's really compelling. And and and I don't realize,
I don't want that said this. To me. This is a to me, the
fountain, the fountain lightning comments are a form of fountain
feature. And it's sort of like contracts is a Alby feature that
you enable. To me these things are platform specific, and they
add to the value of the of what's happening on that
platform. But I don't I don't want I don't feel comfortable
with that. Something like that becoming quote like Z standard.
A for things for something like cross out comments. I think that
the cross up comments has to stay purely a protocol. Play
like act, you know, activity pub, especially this kind of
rolls into what I'm saying. I'm not sure if that was even what
you're saying. I'm kind of written No,
that's not exactly what I'm saying. But um, right. What um,
hold on. Let me see before we continue, let me see if I can
clarify what I'm saying. Whatever this is, can it be done
in between apps? And with that, I don't mean, Oscar has to set
up an API server so that Steven B can access, replies etc. If
it's if that if that's not possible, then I'm not
interested because I didn't I think you're right. It's
completely platform specific. Having thinking about it. And
again, in my mind is like, can I add a 1% split? Just like, like
the boost bot is another great example. The boost bot works
because I send money to it. It's, it's the most beautiful,
beautiful thing you can imagine. Can I enable this on more than
one platform or all or all platforms at once? And maybe
and, and by the way, and I agree, I don't want it to be
cross app comments, which has zero traction. But since
Mastodon has gotten some attention, that's where I was
going. But But I will tell you, I don't think it makes any
difference. This Mastodon the inflow? I really don't know. I
don't think it'll I don't think it'll make any app developer
implement cross app comments.
Disagree, because
the fear is something else that I'm that I just can't put my
email. It's up, but it's not being implemented. I mean, it
well, it's, it's, here's, here's the thing that seems to me like
well, will evolve because as I see, this is sort of like this
unfolding story that's happening right now. With the influx. The
the outflows from Twitter into Mastodon is that when Mastodon
as it continues to expand, you're going to see that people
are going to want their own like presence and in Spurlock talked
about it this morning on the on podcast index dot social. So
this morning or last night, he said something to the effect of
you know, it's it's a shame that having your own personal
presence in the fediverse has become synonymous with I'm gonna
go roll my own Mastodon server. Because for a lot of people, my
let's just say many, many people, that's going to be
overkill. So like, like Crillon rolled his own Mastodon and just
for himself, if he had to, essentially it's just one
guy had one of those are mastodons know what Yeah, but
I'll tell you what happens. I have psyops shop.com. And, I
mean, you can you can follow people and, and subscribe. But
you know, it's you feel very empty, your soul remains empty
in your own little place. You may invite a couple people in
and they may post once or twice, and then they kind of go away
and go back to the home where they are. I barely use no agenda
social.com Because of the nature of the fediverse everyone sees
at Adam, because it crosses over between, you know, with with the
timelines, because people follow me in both places. I might as
well just use Adam at podcast index dot social, because that's
what I wanted replying to most people with because for some
reason it shows up in my timeline over there, though.
Yeah. And I think that that's, I think as that we'll see what
needs to happen because of that, because of this sort of
absurdity of having to do any deal that people need. There
needs to be a light, a lighter, a lighter stack for activity pub
presents. And that is what comes next to me in my mind is the the
sort of lightweight activity pubs stack. That's more of a
personal thing. And that's when that's when cross app comments
begins to I feel like cross app comments was birthed at just the
right time. Because if you if you think about I mean, activity
Pub is a protocol was around for years and years and years before
Mastodon really created a household word. And I think the
same thing is probably I don't know if it's going to take years
or months. I don't know. But I feel like the activity pub roots
of cross app comments happened in exactly the right time. Now
you have this influx into the fediverse. And the next thing
you know you see is activity Pub is people wanting to to interact
with the fediverse in its native language, not through Twitter,
which
is API. I just put just put a pin right there stop because I
want to continue this because I have a lot a lot to say and I
like where that's going Okay, just for a moment, going back to
the AMA called SATs chat, okay, just to segment it off from
cross app comments, because it's not SATs, chat, Snapchat,
Snapchat, something like that. I know, it sucks. It's too much
sibilance
can we make or is there a place in the current namespace where I
can add external, a pointer to external data, such as a
chapters file, such as a, I mean, maybe it's a whole, maybe
it's a whole new tag for external service. So I activate
the external service with a percentage of payment. So let's
say I wanted to set chat server. And so then all I have to do is,
say, in my feed, here's the sad chat server that I send money
to, and you can pick up whatever whatever the information is that
is there. So that is a separate thing that all apps can
implement or not. Is that something that we can do?
Yes, I think that was the idea behind the original proposal was
that you can
what is the what is the original proposal? It's not called
credit. This isn't I thought this was under cross app
comments.
It was But see, that's the thing as he probably should have never
been No, yeah, we probably should
take it out. So can we can we do that? Because he what I see. And
then I'll stop, we can talk about later another time. I see
a huge industry for services that provide this type of
interaction with payment. I didn't I didn't believe I would.
But I'm taking it all back. And I think there's a huge
opportunity there. And it may go way beyond podcasting, but I
would love to see a way for podcasting to drive interactive
services that you can that as a producer, someone just create or
a podcast, you can just this goes in my feed and this goes in
my in my feed, I add this URL and this split.
What is it you see this looking like? Like I don't? I don't
think I'm seeing your vision here. Cuz I see like, are you
thinking more like some sort of like public message board type?
I don't know. Have you ever played with the with the with
the fountain? chat in the comments? Have you ever played
with it? Yeah, yes,
I've seen it. No,
I know, you've seen it. I've seen it. But when you interact
with it, this, it's really quite interesting. And especially if
it's active, which no agendas happened to be, I mean, there's
a lot of different comments and Okay, numerology, it's kind of
like, in a way, it's like, the booster gram corner, is where
people are sitting around there. And they talk about booster
grams, and they boost and they chat about stuff. And it's just,
it's not, I don't know it. I'm seeing a community. I'm a, I'm a
community organizer. I'm seeing a community. I'm seeing
communities being built around each episode, the n people are
doing or expressing themselves with Satoshis. And people are,
are commenting and boosting those people. So it's maybe
maybe this is more chat than anything I think about it's very
YouTube comments reminiscent. So it's not exactly I don't know
what it is. It's, it's an incredibly crazy thing, man. No,
wait, wait. I this is uh, now I'll tell you why my thinking
has been all screwed up this week. And why I'm thinking big.
Okay. I should have done this earlier. Someone sent me a clip
of a small portion about a minute from 1999. And I've seen
this full interview. I've played this clip on no agenda in the
past, even though this is eight years before no agenda even
started. So this was over. So what is it 2122 years ago? 23
years ago. And this was at the time Now think back to 1999.
Some of you did not have a driver's license. Some of you
were playing with Barbie dolls. This is David Bowie. Explaining
what he believes the impact of the internet will be and and I
think you'll be interested to hear particularly the the last
last part of this clip.
I don't think we've even seen that tip of the iceberg. I think
the potential of what the internet is going to do to
society, both good and bad, is unimaginable. I think we're
actually on the cusp of something exhilarating and
Terrifying. It's just a tool. Oh, isn't it? No, it's not. No.
Now it's an alien life form. What do you think?
I mean, when you think then about is there life
on Mars? Yes, it's just landed here. But that's
it's a simply a different delivery system there. You are
arguing about something more profound. Oh, yeah, I'm
talking about that there's the actual context. And the state of
content is going to be so different to anything that we
can really envisage at the moment where the interplay
between the user and the provider will be. So in
simpatico it's going to it's going to crush our ideas are
what mediums are all about.
The user and the provider, simpatico will crash our ideas
of what medium is all about? Dude, we are building Bowie's
vision. It's really what's happening here.
Yeah, I can see that for sure. That's what it feels like. Yeah,
that's the best part of that. Clip was, this is not just a
this is not just a different delivery mechanisms. Is it
alien?
Exactly. Now, let me let me back into where I think what what I'm
trying to communicate is coming from. And I just see, forget the
whole service part, just trying to trying to put it in a box
that isn't cross app comments. Okay, that's what I'm trying to
do. And maybe it's, maybe it's part of lit. And you know, lit
continues after lit is no longer lit. You know this, right? So,
if you, okay, I was starting to come clear to me. So the
experience I have in the fountain app, specifically with
this chat slash boosting each other commenting, etc, is
completely analogous to YouTube. At the same time that I'm
thinking all these things is the Bowie thing comes to me. Odyssey
is in trouble Odyssey, which is the library token they've had a
lawsuit going for a long time. Finally, you know, the final
word is in although there will be another appeal. You guys,
you're a security. So you know, people were basically investing
in your company, this was not just a straight out coin, like
Bitcoin and lightning. So their whole business model is in
trouble. And they probably can't use the token, or the things
will have to change over there. And this is what a lot of people
saw, particularly YouTubers, and the ones I'm going off what
motels me. So I'm telling you, black YouTube, as he calls it.
They were using Odyssey and they're ready to move somewhere.
And I see this opportunity. I see. I see I see it. So we're
moving towards the Super Chat. We have most of it. We have this
we're doing it now. We're doing super chat. Without the video,
we don't quite have the video part straightened out, but
hopefully will. And that's I'm not the guy who can push that
because I don't do it. The so that combo? I mean, fountain can
build this. And if I were a paid advisor, which I'm not, I would
advise them to build a YouTube experience with whatever the
that that chat thing is, with Super Chat, make it work in the
live environment figure how I figured out how to get people to
do video. All I'm trying to do in the board meeting is see if
we can do that in a way that everybody can do it. And if that
requires an external service that provides this chat
environment because it's, we have different ideas about
activity pub, and what real cross app comments are which I
have a dynamite idea for. Maybe that's something that we need to
put together. Does that make any sense that I'm trying to back
into this?
Yeah. I'm glad that you kept on talking, explaining things
because I think here's based on that, here's what I would like.
Here's what I would like to see happen out of that if to meet to
me and make sense in this way. Fountain has a has its has its
lightning comment system. It works. It works well. And
fountain nipro. You know, pod verse maybe has a lightning
comment system if they want one or something. These things,
whatever systems are internal, within the app platforms
themselves to provide the sort of to provide the super chat
functionality. As long as it comes out of there as activity
pub as long as it comes out of there in a non paid neutral way.
That's to me that's that solves the problem. Like you're on the
on the specific app platforms themselves. internally, they can
too, like, what fountain is really doing here is converting
is they're organizing booster grams into a threaded Super
Chat. Yeah. And so that's fine within the within the fountain
platform, what I what you have to have an order to quote
unquote like federate that out Yeah, so that I can see that in
cast ematic and, and see all that activity going on like
today I can go to YouTube, I can see all the comments that are
paid, I can see all the comments that are unpaid. So you have
multiple options for the people who are participating in
simpatico with the Creator, as Bowie said, you've got all that
stuff going on, but then I can hop in as just a lurker and saw
and see the whole thing happening. All right.
So as long as we can connect, because fountain and I actually
did talk to to the guys over there, they'll get a call to
hey, can we have a chat with you? I'm like, fuck are these
guys out of money? I'm gonna have to go help them find money.
That's just what I immediately thought like, Why are they
calling me it's like the maybe
because they're nice guys. Yeah,
no, they just want to pick my brain about stuff and we were
spitballing a bit and I was just like, wow, that's that's it's
really interesting. And then so I said, Are you going to
implement lit and they said yeah, we really want to put that
high priority. So when when they get lit going they're gonna have
a lot of things to have fun with an experiment with and how that
interacts with the current chat room although I guess I could if
they had a system I could point to that I don't know we're gonna
figure that out. That's the running with scissors part. But
now back to activity pub and Mastodon here's a thought I had
there's a go to pinafore dot social p i n a fore pinafore dot
social
P in a fre does social Yeah. Okay is a web client for
Mastodon designed for speed and simplicity read the introductory
blog post or get started by logging into an instance.
Now login to your instance. Whichever one
you want to log into podcast now
I only have an idea of how this is working behind the scenes but
it's it's clearly an OH off you know your whatever Mastodon uses
is getting authenticated. That's all happening in the web
browser. And boom, you have an entirely different skin on top
of an existing Mastodon instance. And this one, as you
can tell is built for speed. But it has it has a whole different
theme. I'm going to presume that I didn't hand off all my
credentials in this process. I'm going to presume that I trust
all the things but I'm okay running with scissors. But why
couldn't you make reverse the process out? Start with the
comments in the native Mastodon with with one of these pinafore
dot social idea web interfaces over the top of the instance and
then let people add their their Alby wallet add a player before
you know it you have some functionality going here.
Oh, I agree. This is this is a really cool thing and in here so
I pull up my pull up my
I mean, it's a quick way to make a great community around your
podcast and your podcast episodes.
Yeah, you can. The first thing I see when I log in here is I hear
I see this post 37 minutes ago from EVO Tara and Mastodon dot
social. Yep. It's just have to
say more than that. Yeah. With his with his. He's virtue
signaling that he has COVID
Yes, yes. So I see the then I see dogs. Yes, we're two dogs on
that blue and clearly and
then your post shows up right? Yeah, look at how fast it goes.
This thing is talking to API level
very quick at the free yes this is a wealth of freedom
controller hooks into Mastodon same way through though offense.
Right interface. So here's, you know, here's what the reason I'm
bringing up this post here about EVO Tara. Is that he is yet I
don't think is yet dawned on him. That when I post the the
one a few posts down about Tom for the board meeting that he
can reply to that post that I posted no and show up in pod
verse, cross eyed comments and pod friend and anybody else that
enables cross that commit these there's a there's a large in
this goes back to my to my thinking there's a lot The
influx of people of podcast, podcasting people that came over
here from Twitter, and have not yet realized that they just
entered cross app comments. And I'm there now illite are now
soaking in all they don't even have to do anything. And they,
all they have to do is reply to something. And they've they've
just crossed that comment themselves.
Yes. Unfortunately, my again, I've been following certain
people following their journey over to Mastodon, I think we may
be a little late to grab everyone's attention. They'll
have the accounts still, but they're not going to use them.
People need the algo they need the anger, the hate the
excitement, they need the dopamine. Mastodon is a
chronological timeline instead of an algorithmic one. So we're
losing them but it's okay with at least half a million people
sign up and they have accounts.
Do you think that III think it's I agree, I agree that that's,
that's sort of been the the history of this show, you'll get
these big influx and then everybody just like, we don't
care? No, no, good. I don't know. But it may. This may be
more sticky.
No. I hate to say no, just no. Just know the title of
this episode be No.
No. The reason why I've just I've been running a mastodon for
four years. Actually, I ran it for the first two. And then Matt
took it over as I'm just I'm so we're so blessed that he did
that. Because it's quite a lot of work for 10,000 people, which
we kept no agenda, social app. And so I just have experienced
No, I mean, the thing is, people know, they say, I want freedom
of speech. I want freedom from Twitter. I want freedom from
Elon. I want freedom, freedom, freedom, and then they come over
here and they're like, I don't want freedom. But I want to be
abused. I want to be harassed. I want to get that feeling I want
about my head. It's drugs, man. It's drugs. This is not this is
not technology issues. drug issue. It's, uh, you
know what it is? It's the male fist of bureaucracy. And by
the way, well, here we go. Why wouldn't you have a pinafore dot
social skin that you slip over your your instance, slip that
skin over your instance? That was wrong. dirty mind.
Yes, it was me. Yes,
that runs an algo on the on your timeline. mixes that crap up a
bit. Looks for stuff. right way to do it runs in a web assembly
at the same time. Think about WebAssembly skin over and
Mastodon instance. Hey, do you have a mastodon account? Go to
this website, enter those credentials. Don't even go to
your Mastodon boom, you got cross app comments. Boom, drop
right in.
You missed. You missed my cue for the for the ISO but that's
okay. That's okay. I'm not gonna hold it against you. That one or
the male fist of bureaucracy.
I was unaware
mail system, centralized bureaucracy.
Ah, that's what Twitter
is the bail fist of centralized bureaucracy. Nice.
They so I was saying the other day that it is in this posture
really for Twitter to but but maybe even more from for
fediverse. Isn't this just like, the better than Google? Is
somebody interfaced with all this data in the right way?
Wouldn't this just become overnight like a killer search
engine?
We're getting we're pretty big. I think we're big enough. I
mean, again, what you just said there is bound to die. And I
have to agree with the forgot who was trolling me as search
engine for the fediverse can't be centralized. It just can't.
It has somehow we have to figure all these things out in a
decentralized manner. And I'm going to agree that is there
ever a point now, if podcasting stays at 4 million podcasts of
which 100,000 are active, I think you're you're good
Revolver is is going to be fine. You're good roulette will work.
Can I do 100 million? No. Yeah. Okay. All right, then we're
fine. Now I know he's talking about Shut up. It'll, it'll
scale forever. Scales infinite scale. And if we run out into a
problem, we're just throwing on IPFS problems solved
some Pub Sub, so no, it's fine. There will be no problems ever.
Okay, so what well, I'm very excited. And then let's just add
let's just throw one more thing into the mix because this this
changes to more well, one more thing into the mix is this adds
Bolt 12
Yeah, the redheaded stepchild of lightening Yes,
man, I read through the whole bolt 12 proposal. That is some
exciting stuff. I mean, that changes the game.
Yeah, and just never it's a shame that it will never happen
never gonna have why don't they just need to two big lightning
two big lightning networks are provided here the rain providers
to
Videla bit lightning labs. They just don't care.
Well, that's what everyone said. That's what everyone said about
Apple.
Yeah, I don't understand. I don't know why I don't
understand the politics behind
oh, maybe maybe that maybe were misinformed. I thought it
wouldn't be too much of a problem actually. Seems like
volt 12 is a seal is a core lightning proposal in as a from
what I understand. Lightning labs have gaz given it no
traction. So no, I agree. You read to the you read through the
white paper. Yeah. And then you don't get it? Yeah. Speaking of
Mastodon, do we do we have a criteria of who we accept into
the podcast index?
Thank you that was on my list. That's a very big issue.
Yes. And
I'm not quite sure what to do. I think we should open it up to
any ideas, which will, of course, ignore and do whatever
we want, anyway. Yeah, like good board. Board of Directors. Yep.
Well, so the problem is that it's twofold. One people didn't
really know. I mean, there's, there's a couple of others,
people who show up and say, Hey, this is the place where it's
happening. I want to be a part of the conversation doesn't
matter what you're doing, what your background is, we can
identify who is that? Oh, you're right. And of course, now we've
always let everybody in. But we started to see some issues.
There are people who show up and say, Alright, I want an account.
So I can upload my mp3 files and get going on this podcasting 2.0
thing. There's that one, but then there's also pay. I've
heard about Mastodon I'm a podcast or give me an account.
Yeah. And then it's like, I'm gonna start posting politics and
credit. I don't want that.
So I'm thinking, I want to change the verbiage on the
signup page, maybe express a little bit what we're looking
for. And again, you know, I just don't want to be here to give
away free accounts, which is why we stopped doing that while we
put a sign up in the first place.
How many are there? How many account how many accounts are
there on our server?
Oh, that's a good question.
Let's see. Is there an about page?
I don't know. I know this. It's on the admin. We check man. The
rain is coming down.
I can hear it. I can hear it in the background. Every time that
noise gate drops pretty
massive. Okay, see prefs administer and moderation. Is
that where I look?
I guess index social about more 960 users.
Oh, okay. There you go.
I don't really think it needs to get much I mean, to me 1500
Feels like
well thing is I mean, we just have to be the paywall maybe I
don't know. Or the you know, the not the paywall, but the the
limiting factors like I'm gonna change language see if that
helps, because many others have already had to mute some people
who don't even speak my language, but basically just
posting about their podcast and their gear like and I don't
quite know what this is about. Here's an example is a new one.
Dear all I would like to join your server. I'm podcaster and
noob and mastodon. He's from Spain, yada web, obviously you
want to see
me It's fine that your podcasts are but it's just not that's not
what the point of the server
is. No, no. The point is you got to bring some really sharp
scissors. Let's show us your scissors. No, yeah, we won't
know. Yeah. Alban his his how to be a podcast guest video.
That was pretty good.
I adored that. And I immediately went, Hey, I want that owl guide
to do a value for value explainer video. And I think I
saw an acceptance.
I think I saw it too. If you imagine like
how viral that will go. Pretty good. Do you imagine
that we get viral go with the guy with the boombox and the
shades doing the rap. That's John, one of their developers. I
mean, the whole crew and on the owners
these things can be such a dud. They can suck so bad and so
cringe. They've done just a little bit wrong. Particularly
at that length. It was just good. They nailed it every
single bit.
He got to stay right above the cringe line and they nailed
really overt right down to the plastic blue Mac on the desk. I
mean, yeah, you is just beautiful, just beautiful.
No mouse, but I'm not going to be pedantic about beautiful.
I wrote a couple more things here that I want to talk about.
I'm sure you have some stuff on your list was something Oh, very
sad news or really, really, actually a record in podcasting.
Oh, the off the mic podcasts has been cancelled before it even
rulers released its first episode self and self canceled
himself.
Okay, well, at least it saved us the trouble from having to do
it.
Wow. Wow, Dave. Hey, and by the way, really nice job. YouTube
dudes turning pod land into the pod news weekly review. And, and
what I of course is basically the same show. But I hear you
James could there's a radio you should listen to that show.
There's a radio guy who has said okay, I want to really
streamline this. And he has a he got a professionally produce. I
don't know who did it if he didn't, whatever, but I produced
package of music openings, but you know, it has his logo, the
pod news logo, two things that he uses on the pod News Daily.
So that comes back in a different form throughout the
show in their little segue bits. He's got a female voice and it
does kind of always, I mean, the first edition hit transition.
Yeah, the booster Graham corner is a produced jingle now. It
still includes me, which is fun. I'm flattered. It's slick.
I mean, he got some they got some donuts in there.
No, there's no, no donuts, no doughnuts. But it was yeah, it's
if you if you want to hear a how you do a professional makeover
of your existing show. And then of course really integrate it
with your branding. James has good job on press. That's not
easy to do.
It was the station was country music yesterday and it's rock
and roll today. Exactly. Yeah.
Yes. I should talk briefly about the IAB.
Yes, yes. Okay. So the i be
the Interactive Advertising Bureau. Agent bureau.
Yes, the Interactive Advertising Bureau and the, to me this. So I
made the comment that this they're like the they're the
NCAA of podcasting. And that requires a little bit of
explanation. The NCAA, the National Collegiate Athletics
Association, is sort of like the governing the non government,
the non government governing body of college sports in the
United States. And they're the ones that run the NCAA
basketball tournament
with big big money, big business, big schools, big TV
shows big deal,
right. But that's all on the basketball side. On the side, on
the college football side, the college football, college
football never had a tournament. They had what was called the
bowl system. And so you had all these different what they call
bowls. So you'd have the Rose Bowl, you know, the toaster, the
Fiesta Bowl, bowls, the bowls, bowls with bubbles. You'd have,
you'd have all these different bowl games, the Hall of Fame
bowl, you know, and all America bowl. And so they these are the
big time schools in the college football world where, where
there's even more money than there is way more money than
there is in the basketball world. Those big schools never
got in bed with the NCAA tournament. And because of that,
they stayed independent. The NCAA began to hit them harder
and harder with their rules. So over the years, you know, the
fan, the most famous example was SMU. I don't know this is back
in the 80s. Maybe can't remember his 70s or 80s. I think it was
80s. So the Methodist University was found to be cheating, paying
their players, their football players and all these guys it
was it was you know, all kinds of scandal. The NCAA actually
closed down their football programs and you can't eat your
your, they gave them what they called the death penalty. You
can't even have a football program for like five years. And
every verse, every severity of that happened over the years and
it just became very political. And it's sort of the last big
NCAA hammer that happened to a college football program was
Alabama They got hit with massive sanctions for this,
where they supposedly paid a player out of Tennessee to come
play on their football team. Anyway, so that's, that's what
the NCAA in the college football world got to be where they were
hated. Well, now that you fast forward nowadays, the NCAA is
almost a relic, like in within major college football and
nobody even thinks about them. There's been legislation that's
passed, that's been those pushed by the big play the big, big
football programs to get there to get it passed where you could
pay players. So now players can have their own endorsement
contracts. It's called the name image and likeness rule. They
can, the college football players can make money off their
own image and likeness. Well, so all of that stuff for all those
years that everybody the NCAA was policing, and trying to get
everybody to play by these rules that they made up, that's all
now completely ignored. It's not even applicable anymore. And so
there's always been for years and years, there's been talk of
the big schools and the, in what's called the power five
conferences, the SEC, the big 10, the PAC 12, creating what
they call their, like a super conference where they have
these, they do their own thing, and they just tell the NCAA to
go jump in the ocean. That's a long way of saying that's what
this feels like. It feels like the IAB has has joined is
jumping is in process of jumping the shark. And what's going to
happen is when they put these onerous requirements for
recertification on to these hosting companies, who to date
have been begrudgingly paying this money, like
50 Isn't 50 grand still for the initial certification? Now they
want 30 grand a year moving forward for research?
It's I've heard it's five digit numbers all across the board.
And if I mean,
you there, what what's going to happen? Just to finish the
analogies, what's going to happen is they're going to the
hosting company has been playing ball so far, they're just gonna
say Screw you, and they're just gonna go off and do their own
thing. This is not this is not what you do.
Well, what they're doing is very classic. They're saying, you
know, what, we are the Nielsen of podcasting. We are the ones
that are in charge of the ratings, which are not, but
because of their certification, they say they defacto are. And
this is just the beginning. 30,000 is just the beginning.
And next year, we'll have to go up if only for inflation or some
other bull crap reason. And now you have a choice be a slave to
the IAB. And many podcasts, companies will have to make
decisions, many won't be that hard. Like there'll be it'll be
you know, that's these days, that's, you know, that's part of
an employee at least.
And it is not a coincidence that this happened right after
everybody started in finished implementation.
Everyone got their programmatic done. And these guys turn
around, stab you in the back.
And in and tomorrow, everybody's going to wake up and realize
that they don't need that certification anyway.
Well, no, because there's no advertising to make money on.
That would be the main reason. But also, you know, we have op
three, which I'm having fun listening to the analysis of
the, of the user agents, and how people are working to get
everybody changed off. And by the way, this is partly this is
all the stuff I know about development, having hung out
with developers for most of my life. But if there's something
that can be implemented, it's like OCD. It's like a developer
can't sit there and say, ha, this is thing, but it's not in
my app or whatever. Yeah, it's like, it's crap. You wake up in
the middle of the night sweating, like I want to
implement that thing. Which is why I know that all of this all
eventually everyone's going to be going to be doing this.
Is developer crack is what it is
what well, I mean, I think that even Apple will will eventually
hear that we're saying, hey, why don't you even though they may
be worried, I mean, that was kind of insinuation. They don't
really want to put the user know the, their own their own code
into the podcast app. Because then we might find out that the
number of uses of the apple podcast app, you can't just
bundle them in with apple core media, which I am well aware of
the amount of people who listen to my shows on my website in a
browser. I know because if I screw up the URL on the website,
I got a lot of tweets and comments.
That's, that's you, you have a lot of browser listeners do
interesting.
I do. But this idea that we can, in an open source way everyone
convinces everybody they know to do this. That's that's real
power there. That's real power. So yeah, then the DEA, the DEA,
and I really appreciate that you have been working with a number
of people try to figure out how do we stop dynamic ad insertion
from screwing up transcripts?
Yeah, can I can I talk about that for a sec? Yes,
you may and what you don't have to ask permission.
Ella, we just want a personal your point of personal
privilege, you know,
it's all it's all your personal privilege you at the pots
forgot for the, the current thinking is that they're at
least going back and forth about it on Mastodon, we need some way
of stamping, either in the audio file or in the delivery
response, that this that the original episode has been
molested in some way. It has been altered, with insertions.
So like that. So you know, Todd came back and said, Well, we
stamp our original episodes with insertion points. Kind of the
final, the final delivered mp3 file that goes out in response
to a get request from an app. Those things those stampings are
lost. And then and they never had the links on them anyway. So
my original idea was, why don't we just stamp into the mp3
header into the ID three tag somewhere? Something that the
here's a list of all the insertions that happened? Here's
the offset from zero, and here's the length. Well, then, Chris,
from a cast came back and said, Why don't we instead, do I hand
that information back in the in the HTTP response to the
Download request. And that, I think that's not a bad idea. I
think that's actually a better idea. Because you then you solve
the problem of sort of range requests, being a thing there.
And also, you can reference other other bits of media. So so
the final proposal was or not final. That's the broader
terminology. But the most concrete thing we have so far is
that when a when an mp3, mp3 is requested, when an enclosure
audio files and is requested, the get request response will
return a series of Link headers that has the offset of where the
ad is inserted, and the length and then a potentially, if
necessary, a link to a transcript bid for that thing.
So that you're getting a transcript of the thing
delivered with it. So if it's a pianist an ad, you get the ads
transcript that just got inserted. Or or if it's a some
other bit of dynamic content, you get that
but how will we ever get everyone to implement this?
I have a completely unjustified confidence in myself to convince
people to do things they don't want to
do. Sounds to me like it might be easier if I just continue to
bash advertising until it breaks and goes away and then it fixes
itself.
That might also be effective.
Ah, well, there's something else I noticed, you know, I'm not a
downloader. I'm a streamer.
I'm a downloader. Oh, streaming.
I'm a streamer. So I now it may be is I mainly use curio caster,
but pod verse and I think all of them, you know, they may be
downloading and storing in the background. I don't know. I
never if it's on it's on. But I never turned on download the
shows or anything like that. I just immediately hit streaming.
And yeah, sometimes in the car, it might stop, but it's not a
problem with many shows, well, the two shows where I've noticed
it. And this it's two different dynamic ad insertion engines.
One is pivot, my hate Listen, Kara Swisher and Prof. G. And
the other one is, is the new media show.
So that one bombs out on YouTube?
But what happens is if I stopped I pause the app. Go do something
for myself. I'll come back to the app, I think because the app
then is trying to do a head request or some get some
something to find its position, but it may be getting a
different ad and a range request, right? So it's getting
a different ad, and it's getting something different and it sits
there and spins. And I actually have to kill the app. In both in
pod verse and curio caster, it'll come back up, and then it
will have magically somehow it'll have the podcast that was
listening to at the right timestamp, and it will play
something about this dynamic ad insertion because that's when it
started.
Yeah, this the whole thing. It all sucks. Nidal, it does suck
all of it sucks it all,
I guess. I mean, it's like, if you have dynamic ad insertions,
I'm sorry, you just can't have anything else.
in complete agreement,
you just can't have chapters that pop up at the right time.
And you just can't have a transcript. Otherwise Good To Go
enjoy your ad.
If we, if we, you instead of chapters and transcripts, you
get ads,
because it was we had a perfectly functioning system.
And then people come in and break it, and now you're trying
to fix it was something that, I know, seems hard to
do you have no confidence zero.
No, I know that technology, of course. But I mean, I know how
hard it is to roll something out. I mean, this is it takes
that's a lot of moving pieces. Just I mean, personally, it's
more priority issue.
I feel I feel a completely unjustified confidence in this
thing. And I feel like I feel like the the the and the common
retort that you will get when you bring up stamping or
identifying the ad slots in the in the download some in some way
is we can do this, because people just skip ads.
Excellent voice.
Thank you.
Now, that again, we can't do that. Because Oh, so Oh, okay. I
did follow this conversation. So it was interesting, because the
person you just did was Todd, because he thought it was Todd.
It was Todd, you should have Todd.
No, he never said that. But I said that somebody else would
say that.
But I asked Todd about rad. I said, Why didn't it take off?
And he said we that voice you just use which is why it goes
this sucks? Because because people will go to skip the Erds.
So I thought you were referring to Todd. But there's no proof
because it was never implemented. There's no evidence
that first of all, people who steal content steal content, is
that it's done. Now people
do people had to do ad blockers exist in web browsers, because
people tell you all about the ads and where they're going to
be and where they're gonna come from, and all that kind of
stuff. No, it's a set of complicated, goofy heuristics
that are going on inside of ad browse a web browser extension
to try to figure out what is an ad? And what is not. Sometimes
it breaks stuff. Some, most of the time it doesn't it works.
Okay. But do we really want that to happen in podcasting? This is
the iTunes approach is like an AI. You have to agree with at
some point, like, what do you want to get onto ie donkey, and
try to find your music? And it's some crap you Oh, oops, you
accidentally downloaded virus? Or do you just want to pay the
money and get the download and be done with it? That's the
that's the thing. I mean, ad blocking is going to happen. It
always does. It's it's sort of like a childish narrative to
say, in to act like if you obfuscate where the ads are,
that nobody's going to block your ads. It's just like, like
somebody said, forget who it was. Somebody popped in and
said, Yeah, I just own podcasts I know about I just popped
through the ad with the fast forward button. It's like, okay,
do you want your person to have to? Like, there's some, you
know, what I did the other day, the perfect example. I always,
as I listen to security now, every week, and I know that it
good, the structure of the show goes like this intro, brief
discussion of what the show is going to be about. Then the
first day, the first host red ad. And so I know that Leo's
voice goes up until about the 12 minute mark. So I just put up
up, up, up, up, up, up, up, fast forward all the way through
until I hear him stop talking, then I know that's when I'm
going to start the show. I do that every time. I finally said,
You know what, this is annoying. I'm just going to subscribe to
the show. And so I just bought the show ad free. Now I'm
supporting the show, and I get what I want and I don't have to
fast forward and potentially wreck my car while I'm looking
at my phone trying to fast forward. So this this is what
I'm saying. We gotta go People have to grow.
That's that's like my my winrar story
is 15 years of dismissing that winrar ad and I finally did.
So proud of myself. Yeah, Jesus made me do it by the way.
looking over your shoulder Oh boy.
Oh yeah, all the time. Hey, Adam, you gotta buy this really
really? The Nick was talking to me, man. It's like, oh, I should
buy this should i Yeah, I'm a douche. Okay, God,
I so $5
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certainly worth $5
What is this from? What was a horrible movie? Did you watch?
This man is worth $5 I like it.
No good. I've got I've got all kinds of abrupt the abrupt the
old school today.
So did we've created quite the archive you got there?
Do you want to do don't be Europe?
Of course. We don't want what has happened in Europe to happen
here.
Wow, that's a good one. Thanks. Oh, I'm gonna you know, so that
was the I got a little time capsule for you let me find
this. Yeah, here it is. How long is that? Oh, it's not too bad.
This is a presumably 19 After the Second World War. Okay, your
ISO.
Yeah, that's like 1940 Oh, good says before the war in orange.
So we're going to play around let me get a harp. I'm going to
do this professionally, too. I'm not messing around with this.
Not a juicer but real heart. No. No actual harp. Yeah. Okay. When
you go from 1940 to 2014 we don't want what has happened in
Europe to happen here.
Victoria new
Vicki Newland. That's how she said it in 2014. Is my my how'd
things change over time?
It's flowered. It's blossomed into this full flowering. At
this point,
shall we thank a couple people because the booths have been
big.
Yeah, let's do it. You You do your thing. And then I'll do my
thing. Is that what we always do? Yeah, but I just want to say
it very professional,
thank you. Value for value, you've heard about it, you want
to read about it go to value for value dot info, value number
four value dot info, feel free to tweet that around, tell
people to have a read. Because you know, it helps explain.
Which means in this case, this entire podcast, the board
meeting, everything is all completely supported by the
participants. We're pulling a bogey on this thing and we have
been for for quite a while. It keeps the servers running it
keeps us interested, which is you know, we don't get paid. But
it keeps us interested with everything continues to flow
around and of course, I will say that both Dave and I probably
send back most of the stats we get back into other shows. Just
to get a comment in edgewise. We got some big ones here today.
Some nice ones. We got 101010 So 101,010 SATs from Mike Newman. I
think that's that's a big bowl of mine.
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listening and boosting through a browser. I'm a streamer and a
downloader streaming now will download for the second
breakfast I mean listen, apps get lost restart then jump
situation Adam described happens with no agenda as well and no
ads. I kind of like it all anyway, go podcasting. He said
there's a man who who loves his products a bit messy. He likes
rough edges. I agree. I'm a fan. I like them to take 10,000 SATs
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like Oscar, you know, Fletcher said, Hey, man, can you talk
about talking about my show? And what I'm doing? Yeah, I'll be I
talked to people all the time.
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one and only
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Dangerous Miss attribution? Yes.
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like a troll today and have it no one took the bait but I do
appreciate that. Okay, I got to thank you. Thank you chatroom
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thank you all so much. It's really, really, really
appreciate it. And of course, we're turning that around. We're
providing a lot of liquidity. And when I say that, not just
channels, we still have well over 100 channels, but a lot of
forwarding and I think that's because our fees are sweet spot.
Oh, yeah. Well, it's it really increased since we started
hosting everyone's node on our hardware. So we're single
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here. We're happy to do it. Actually. We're not it's the
it's the entire community. It's everyone in value for value land
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The see we've got one Pay Pal from the new media show, buddies
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this show and implement it into a financial situation that has
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So this came up yesterday striper striper came up because
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you were queens, right? I'm I love queens, right. And of
course, I interviewed him and the nice guys. And
they were that album has had a lot of good songs on it.
I've never really a successful I think because they could have
been and actually I'd love to find out where they're still
touring. I'd love to I'd love to see how they're doing. And so,
and to say I never used to listen to this. And I said, you
know, we also you know, I'm always making jokes about
striper on this show, but also, you know, recently went to Tina
got baptized and so i That was the first time I was in the
church because I was working on Sunday. And so I got to see the
whole show and you know, so and I'm always making fun about
like, you know, I'd really like this church, but I don't
remember the striper stuff was not doing it for me. If I said
that to the pastor, you know, he thinks it's funny. So anyway.
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that's pretty good stuff. I mean, it's not
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No, not at all. And then it hit me. Now I know the problem with
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musicians. There's never a guitar solo. That's the problem.
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back like maybe a year ago and I was like you know what? That's
not that bad
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with my pastor why no so he's a guitar player so he should just
shred I'm gonna say it you should shred for Jesus man.
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in my mind. It has a great pot as well. In my mind. It's the
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wallet. That's not a wallet. Exactly. That's that's the list
of signing device but and it's an app that understands its user
community. Look at the podcast diversion, you're not getting
anything that isn't value for value. That's a very strong
statement by the way and I think it's successful strategy that
Roya employed there. So and then I boom I send her think 300 250
bucks and we did the you know the QR code thing together Boom
Boom she's Wow, that went fast. So yep. And then she checked out
on the on the website. I'll pop the QR code boom. Paid nice
welcome. Thank You message. work beautifully. Oh, that's cool.
It's really cool, great app now that it doesn't you know burn a
hole in your ass when you have it running and all the other
stuff that we've been talking about problematic. No, I'm just
kidding.
Brian of London and have the Ayios and it's 57,667 SATs, the
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I'm going to say got locked away. And we lost it all today.
Tell me honestly.
Would you still love me
about that, huh?
I sounded mostly like that.
Yes. You sound just like Adam Levine.
Pretty much. Yeah, I get accused of that a lot. Pfeiffer 22 to 22
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let us know what you think. Thank you all so much. It's
really appreciate it's it's mind blowing. And I will just finish
my portion today with a reminder. Take that mental
snapshot of where we are right now what we've accomplished what
we've accomplished in little more than two short years. And I
think that when you know when this news and things coming out
every single day, it's happening faster now. And that's because
the just how it works I mean that hosting companies are the
big no, that was the the main what is the word I'm looking
for? It's that was really the Pete and all kudos to you, Dave,
I think you probably work with hosting companies the most.
That's really what made it all come to life and we're just
producing content. And when I say that's not just audio
content is all these we're filling up tags, RSS feeds are
adopting being changed upgrading, you have been part
and still are a part of a monumental shift in media, the
only the only media left that really has a chance of surviving
because of the decentralized nature of what all of you
support both of RSS as well as Bitcoin.
And it's, it's perfect, that's a that's a perfect outro to go
home with a couple ISOs strong and secure. Okay,
as long as people remain confident that our government is
strong and secure, they will continue freely to accept and
spend its money without questioning the value
as right.
Modern Money modern money can union to use easy to recognize
and universally accepted for the value of fixed by a stable
government
or stable coin. Your choice Those are good I'm gonna steal
those for all my other shows really appreciate Hey Dave, I
said at the beginning but I could not imagine a better
partner in this I've really appreciate you my friend. Love
it he to me all right and everybody else troll room thank
you so much everybody who's on podcast index dot social. Have
yourselves a great weekend we'll be back with another board
meeting. Same time same place Fridays where we kick it all
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