podcasting 2.0 for November 2022, episode 111 pod Mali.
Well, hello, everybody, welcome once again to the weekly board
meeting of podcasting to point out that you find out what's
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it's a board meeting, let's all report to each other. See what's
happening in podcast index.org, the namespace, lots of
development going on with podcasting, and of course,
everything happening that's being discussed at podcast index
dot social. I'm Adam curry here in the heart of the Texas Hill
Country and in Alabama. Ladies, he's the dream of the Macedon
scene. Say hello to my friend on the other end, Mr. Dave Jones.
I'm just gonna go ahead and take a victory lap on this Mastodon
thing.
Yeah, oh, it's sticking it sticking? You know what? You
know who? Stan a sticky, huh. You know, you're gonna rub it my
fix?
Okay. Yeah.
You know, it's been fascinating to watch. It's journalists who
are sticking? Yeah, they're setting up their own instances.
And they're doing all kinds of you know, and they're trying to
figure it out. And, and you listen, you listen to
journalists speaking on different podcasts. And there's,
there's definitely a lot who are saying, well, it's really
unusable. You have no algorithm, you can trick the algorithm to
get everybody to see my stuff. So it's useless. It's useless,
I'll tell you. But then you see the end. This is very much like
my one of my favorite news podcast is called the news
agents thing. We've talked about it and never heard it. Oh, it's
a bunch of British journalists who are well known journalists
who have interviewed the the big of the big ones of the earth.
And they kind of discuss the news. With some, maybe they have
a little snippet of an interview or some reporting from one of
their people on the scene or whatever. But it's basically
just a conference call. And they talk about what's happening from
their perspective. So it's kind of the stuff that you would
never hear about, it's happening in the newsroom. And it's
because it's British politics. It's fun, because, you know, I
have a lot to learn this American politics with British
news, I should say. And so that's kind of the vibe that I'm
getting from these journalists groups who are setting up their
own instances to learn from the journos jet journo dot host, I
think is one and now it's the typical schmucks who are driving
it, you know, all props to Jeff Jarvis. Jeff Jarvis. Yes, he's
me. He's, he's he is, if you said show me a schmuck is Jeff.
Jeff Jarvis. I don't know why I don't know the man personally.
They have been on the show with him on a panel with him once.
What is the what is the definition of a schmuck,
schmuck? Like, what does that actually mean? Does that have a
real like a real defined definition that goes back in
time?
Let's see schmuck definition. Here we go. A foolish or
contemptible person is the first definition that pops up.
Like it's Hebrew in origin, like it's Oh, yeah. Oh,
no. yudishe? I would say, yes, it is. Yes, it is. 100% Do not
be the poor schmuck who runs out of gas and is stranded when a
natural disaster is about to hit. Wow, that's a pretty clear
definition right there. Or be Yeah, yeah. Yeah, that's
not what you want to be. And don't, don't be the poor schmuck
who runs his own Mastodon server, with only like 10 gigs
of disk space.
Well, everyone's going to learn and their services. I mean,
we've been running on Mastodon hosts since day one. And, you
know, we I upgraded to bigger services and searchable because,
you know, of course, you got to pay for more, more CPU power and
some disk space. But we've got a nice little community, what do
we have maybe 1000 people on? How many people do we have on
the instant
more than that? Oh, really? It's more than that. I think it's
like, we lose like 1200 I think,
okay. You get much bigger, like, no agenda is capped at 10,000.
And it's real work for Matt, you know, he's doing real work,
keeping that thing running, making sure there's no, you
know, the vulnerabilities because of course, there are
vulnerabilities always.
Yeah, it's a full time job shoved into a part time job.
Pretty much. Yeah. Into a hobby,
more or less. Yeah. But yeah, and the fun thing is to watch
people like Dave Weiner go, does all this were like, oh, yeah,
has been around for 10 years.
Yes. Welcome to Yeah, welcome to 2012. I can't find that there's
a page on here somewhere that shows what how many users you
can, and I
can Yeah, I'm looking forward to I see What is this?
I tried slash about that active
use about 301 active users today. Today.
Oh, that's active just today just like, posted or something.
I don't know. I think it was like 1200. But let me how much
do we pay for this? What's the what's the cost right now? I
think podcast index dot social.
I think it's 20 bucks. 29 bucks.
Is that it? Much?
I think so. I mean, I'd have I'd have to check my bill.
The bill and it's like, 150. Well, here
pricing. Let's take a look at what they got. Now, man, where
we have the Yeah, we have the star level because you have moon
planet and star. Now, we started with the nine month $9 per month
planet. Although I think then it was five euros. Inflation
people? Yeah, the $19 a month star, which gives you medium
Federation capacity, whatever that means. Processing. Oh,
eight processing threads. Okay. 10 gigabytes of database, 100
gigabytes of media storage. And 100 active users. Oops. 100. Oh,
no. Oh, no, no, no, no, no, I'm sorry. No, no, no, no, we're
here. Here we are. We're in the galaxy. I'm sorry. No,
constellation galaxy. That's the highest. That's at nine a month.
So we're at 90 a month.
We're at 90 bucks a month shoot. That's on my my credit card.
Yes. I have a sneaking suspicion that you have not been paying
attention to this. This is based on prior experience with how
Adam looks. Which is basically you don't until it gets
shockingly high. And then you're like, Oh, crap.
That's right. Well, that's usually the AWS Bill was like,
wow, it's like $1,000. Dave, what can we do about this?
Yeah, it's like, it's like, oh, it's been it's been five or 600
for a few months. And now it's just getting ridiculous. I'm
like, Whoa, 500 is already ridiculous, brother.
This is why I'm not a billionaire.
That was my entire reason for bringing that bringing this make
you go and check your credit card stuff. But you know, there
really needs to be some sort of light. There needs to be an in
between. There needs to be something that is is what's that
thing you showed me last week was pinafore that needs to be
something that's that's just that's just the interface. Yeah,
yeah, there needs to be something between pinafore and
Mastodon and like that, where it's just where you take like
something very simplistic like a radio to or a freedom controller
type thing. And you just be just you just put in a, an activity
pub, your module to it,
you make it look like Macedon on the on the front end like the
pinafore,
something like that. Yeah. Yeah. Because then you don't you don't
worry about like,
cross and it's called cross app comments. I'm awaiting for two
years.
Comments across app comments done right. Could turn every
podcast app into a mastodon, or TC MainActivity pub client app?
Absolutely. I've been I've been waiting for it. I mean, I'm
growing cobwebs here
yeah, that's that makes me Well, that brings up a little item
that I have on my legal pad here.
Oh, yeah. Which is yellow legal pad.
Oh, yes. Yellow. Can you get only one talk? Can
you get? Can you get the notepads? Because I cannot get
them? They can't get them in yellow anymore. You know, the
ones that I mean? It's like the it's not the legal pad, but it's
kind of looks like a tablet. Yeah. Can you get those in
yellow for me? Yeah, can you take some some of the office?
They're positive anymore. Do you want to read stapler? Can you
give me a red
slave copier paper?
Just now I can't get any. You can't even get an Amazon. It's
not.
This one is like from the 70s. It's
that's the kind of like that's exactly the kind of like, you
got that little margin on the left hand side. You can write
some doodle shit in there. And then you got
your liable red double line that goes down the left hand
beautiful thing, analog baby.
You know, this whole Mastodon thing makes me think and we
discussed this briefly last week. This idea that the people
are now podcasters are now in the mastodon soup, the activity
pubs soup, without knowing that they're in it.
I will Wish we had cross app comments ready? We would be
blowing people's minds right now. Sorry.
Well, that's what I'm that's that's what I'm trying to say
is. So if you had if you're a host, this, this is for podcast
hosts. If your hosting company, you could imagine immediate win
with cross app comments by doing a connection, an OAuth
connection. Yeah, you're so right into your UI, say, Oh, do
you have a mastodon account? Because Mastodon is popular
enough now?
Yeah. Looked at looked at journos here. Yes, the girl
there journos?
There's one right there. If you if you had if you had this
interface like oh, do you have Mastodon connect your Mastodon
to your podcast hosting account? Yeah. And then whenever you put
in makeup, whenever you make a post, it will automatically
cross post over to Mastodon to your account. Yeah. And suck the
URL back in as
a post. That's Wait, that's another one that another journal
got what? Got him?
This is this. Some people may not know that.
But that just makes perfect, by the way and who have you already
threatened that they have to do this?
This was the initial thrust. Okay,
you heard our AK right people. That's when we do have
journalists gunfire. We have gunfire at our disposal. If you
go to like bullying people in podcasting, yeah, this is highly
effective. Wonders.
Based on this track record this essentially.
Anybody are secrets?
Yeah. Right. It's it's more it's more like it's a combination of
spoiling and badgering. Yes.
Like that is a bit of the New International lifestyle. Have
you ever heard Dvorak excoriate the donors? Yes.
Which is funny, by the way, love it. It's just like, it's like
cats. The more you the more you you know, abused them, the more
they love you, this journalist or the media, abusing them where
they love you.
Maybe one day we'll get rich off of this idea, then Dave,
nothing's worked so far. very doubtful.
This is the most this is on par for all of our projects. When it
comes to find out.
We have only person that gets rich by abusing journalists is
Donald Trump. I think that's the fan Elon Musk is giving.
Right? Alright, so I'm sorry to interrupt you. But yes, now's
the time. You're absolutely it's not is it? This relatively easy
to do, right?
Well, I mean, we did and freedom with trailers has got to be
easy. It can't be that hard.
Yeah, that's right. Controlling you just it's the Oh off you
just post and boom, they're done. And that spits back the
URL? Yeah, of course. It spits back the URL.
Yep. Yep. And there's an OAuth handshake that song and dance
that can happen and you drop it right just bounce it around and
you're done. Yeah. This this is an instant win to me yeah. What
I would expect the will say cat will cast upon did a different
and went a different route they baked activity portfolio into
their into their into their system but if you're like us,
you know who you know who will who will probably do this. Of
course, other than Steven B which is probably already dying
by the time but Dobie das over RSS blue this is this is right
up his ride right he loads dive into loads of stuff. Yep. So
that puts somebody do that
just I mean, what is so cool is this interrupt that's happening,
man that that that is what's so interesting to watch and I don't
think it's lost on the technology crowd on the tech.
The tech journos is lost on them they don't they don't it's
really beautiful. I am so surprised I just I didn't expect
this to happen but the part of it's the just whatever people in
their mind had a go I'm gonna leave or I need a backup or
whatever it was they came to Macedon I expected so many to
drop off many did of course because and some journals I've
been listening to him like they're not getting the dopamine
hit. But most people are like wow, this is really in use net.
You know, this has a very heavy Usenet vibe.
I don't think that is going to replace Twitter. No, it's
completely different. That's the whole point additive.
I think it's additive. Yeah, you because you're gonna have the
What you realize when you're on Mastodon or you're in the Fed
versus the Fed versus when you're in the Fed averse, you
realize that your signal to noise ratio is so much higher.
Yeah. And so you end up having you, you have quality
conversations there. Whereas, so you but you don't necessarily
abandon Twitter, you, you have to go back to Twitter to get
certain types of like news. But then you're relieved to get to
then close the tab in your browser and go back to mass.
But Mastodon is you get to the message you've seen before
you're done. There's nothing left to do. You can you can try
and click the other tab or certain point you've seen it all
and the algos not going to spit anything new back at you. So the
30 and and also like there's a there's a visualization of the
fediverse. And you can someone posted that I think on I think
on no agenda social, maybe it was Matt. And you can see that
we are definitely with no agenda social is definitely somewhat
separated from the larger Fetty out there, because of the
blocklists. But we but are only the universe is kind of like
this, this ulcerous growth that's hanging off, hanging off
of the grow. That's malignant, clearly, that's hanging off the
main glob. And if you zoom in, there's a lot going on in that
glob. I mean, there's a lot of stuff. When was that? I think it
must have been? I'm pretty sure it was. It wasn't mad at Aaron
or I should say. Anyways, it's yeah, you're right. I am just
really, really surprised at how this is picked up. And yeah,
man, we totally need to take advantage of this.
What if what would be great to see happen, and I think this can
happen is that you would have certain certain podcast hosts
that would that would do a connector type deal. No off
connector to an existing account and then other hosts that would
just go in full bore make their make a commenting system and
then federate that out with activity pub. Right. There's a
lot of hosting companies that are Ruby based, that are Ruby on
Rails based it's I don't know why they're, that's, I don't
know why that's the thing. But
that was that was very modern back in the days of early days
of blogging, Twitter, podcasting, I think what's kind
of invoke, in fact, I remember was the thing with VCs, you, you
build rubies or Ruby on Rails? Believe it or not,
it probably probably came because of the podcasting
demographic, the early podcast demographic was, you know, that
MAC MAC oriented, and I think there's a lot of Ruby on Rails
connections with Mac, right? based companies because I think
it came out of panic and it has, like, bus browser, Ruby on Rails
based and Tom told me the history of at one time, it just
seemed very much tied to like a whole Mac culture and, but but
as but you know, mass like Mastodon is a Ruby on Rails app.
And it just seems like there's a lot of it seems like there's a
lot of overlap cross pollination between activity pub, the world
of activity pub in the world of podcasting. And like, I see them
as a natural as a net sort of a natural marriage. It's just, it
just feels right to me. And so you could have some, some
companies that this a or some hosting companies that say, Oh,
well, you know, look at all these we get all this activity
pub, Ruby gyms and all this code this gets here, let's just let's
just run with it and go straight off. You know, that'd be great.
I'm, of course, rejecting my own desires here.
I love it. Hey, go to Fetty verse dot space.
Oh, then he verse does space. Maybe we need a dot space for
the stats
like that. By the way, I liked that little JSON thing that you
spit out there. The stats thing? Yes. Cool. So if you so you see
the you see the cloud space right you type in no social.com
And then
is it all by itself? Nobody will federate with it.
You'll get to zoom in one click and you'll see real up in the
top way the top of the cloud there's there's the little no
agenda social is
on an island but oh, it's totally
and if you zoom in, I mean, it's connected to a lot of stuff. But
it's definitely is not connected to everything. I don't know but
only see podcasts. It's incredible to watch this podcast
is not worrying about social justice something my fediverse
Does space is something went wrong.
One of those helpful errors all right is anyway. Hey, yeah, it's
something really wonderful happened
that detail
CSB. Comic Strip blogger has been now most a lot of people
here, met him through this project and have learned to
understand him. He's been around me for since man, early days
daily source code I don't even remember. I mean, so we're
talking probably more than we're talking more than 1516 years
long time. 17 years, maybe even longer. And it's always been
very adversarial. I can't help but and he just has a we have
met him once before. In person in London. Yep. So we met once.
And otherwise he's just been you know, just kind of this always
saying what I perceive to be rude things, you know, calling
me out on stuff that he thinks is wrong. Tell me I'm full of
shit, you know. But then. So he really drove the adoption of the
no agenda album artists. We do a new piece of album art every
single show and no agenda art generator.com people compete to
be chosen. And of course that'll all of their work eventually
might appear in the chapter image art so it's a fantastic
ecosystem. And we give them credit we talked about it we
talked about the choice on the show and Commissioner blogger
really drove the idea of getting these artists into getting a get
Alby wallet and putting their get Alby address, you know their
their get Alby or whatever username I'd get allday.com into
their profile. And so I started actually, the last three or four
that we've chosen already had one, so they've gotten to 10%
Split have no agendas, booths and streams, and comics or
Blogger, he was one of the last four. And so he posted on
podcast index dot socialist, and it was really, really nice to
hear this from him. And it meant a lot to me, he says how the AC
thumbs up emoji. Oh, now that I'm in the value for value split
for the latest episode, I finally and deeply understand
why you are so passionate about Satoshi streaming per minute and
other part of the for V apart from boosts and booster grams.
It gives the impression of intimate connection with the
listeners. It informs that people actually listen to the
podcasts and not merely downloaded but maybe never
listened like I do with some podcast. It's truly astonishing.
It's an awesome feeling.
That's a That's a beautiful note,
isn't it and from him. So that's the feeling that I tried to
explain to people is when you see that, and honestly if you
use the get Alby the Saturn stats package, you can watch
stuff coming in live. It's something about it. I mean, we
we have those, you know, one sat, transaction splits that we
get for the index. Sometimes I'll just sit there. I'll open
up zap zap wallet that does a good job. And I'll just hit on
the recent transactions. You just watch it flow in. Now I'm
walking. I'm watching like micro pieces of a penny. But it's like
someone listened for a minute someone listen for it. Oh,
that's probably a boost. Oh, that one booster gram. So when
listened from and it's just, I can't believe it. You're
watching people. Listen.
That makes sense. So it's it's a dopamine. It's dopamine hit?
Yes. Oh, yeah. I mean, not in the not in the bad way. Like in
the it's a dopamine hit. I mean, not we that that whole idea has
been sort of poo pooed like, oh, that's just a dopamine hit. I
mean, like social medias. But, you know, I mean, it's not like,
it's a bad thing in and of itself. It's not objectively
bad, to head to feel a sense of reward and excitement for a
thing that's happening in your life. I mean, dopamine hit is
not all bad. And so like when you when you produce something,
stick it out on the world and then and then the little
dopamine hits coming are coming back to you in this in the form
of value.
Yeah, this is a different kind of dopamine hit. Yeah, yeah,
it's not because it's making you angry or making you anxious or
pissed off or controversial. No, it's love. It's love.
It is. It's love coin.
It's MDMA. It's podcast. Pod. Um, write this down podcast
Molly is what it is basically
that's that sounds like somebody from only fans podcasts.
Don't do this. I'm thinking title. I don't know about you.
Like as Molly. I don't. That's yeah, no, I think I think that's
the waiting. I think that's a good it's what it is does
associate that's that's one of those great uses where you see
technology making your life actually better and not just
feeling the outrage machine
just making you happy just when you see it. Even people
that write that write you even people that are ugly to you in a
booster gram still makes you happy.
I know. And you can and I love giving you know James and Sam
and all kinds and Todd love giving them shit and sending the
money for it. Hey, let me give you some shit. Here's 25,000
Satoshis talk smack at you.
Yeah, no, it's it's a lovely things. But that. Speaking of
well lately, on CSB this this note also firmly confirms my
suspicion is CSP has a much better or command of the English
language than he likes to pretend that he does.
May have been correcting some of his English on the fly.
Oh, okay, I got you. All right.
Now he's the real deal, man. He's the he's the that's it. He
is what he is. He's the real deal. I just want I'm sorry.
No, no, no, by all means.
Well, I had a kind of a weird thing happened that feels like a
bug, but I'm not sure. But I want to make mention of it for
the Opie three community. Are you down with Opie three
community? I love following the conversations. I've no interest
whatsoever in the results personally. But I do love. Well,
that's not true. I love learning about you know how this project
is basically kind of forcing people to take a look at the
referral agents make sure that everything is set properly. So
we're getting better counts, I think it may be shaking up some
players in the industry who may or may not want to implement
this in their own software. Who knows, you know, other
interesting things that are taking place. And here's
something that happened. And I don't know exactly where the
problem is, but it may be something that op three could
should be aware of. And that is the last no agenda show I
published. Everything was fine. And then I was alerted to the
fact that I had not put the ID three tags into the mp3 file,
which I typically do. And mainly the main thing being the image
if you don't make the image and there's a number of podcast
players out there, which will not show the image, even though
it's in the channel, RSS channel, feed all that stuff.
It's just that just happens to so of course, alright. Oh, okay,
that's kind of dumb, too. I wanted in there. So I go back, I
bake it properly. Now I've learned that the best way to do
it is to delete and then upload the new one. And that goes
pretty quickly.
And then that breaks the cache.
That breaks the cache and it's just never been a problem. And
I've had to I've had to replace files. It's never been a
problem. Google podcasts shit the bed?
Oh, no. Well, at least that's only 2% of the
more than I thought more more people than I thought it more
than dog catcher, but not much. But like say double dog catcher.
A double document your double the dogs that maybe see Yeah,
maybe 1213 People immediately ask what's wrong with you? Why
are you using Google podcasts? Yes, stop. Just stop it. Stop
it. Yeah. Why would you do like being old fashioned? Yeah. But I
even had some some very kind listeners, delete the app and
reinstall it. And still it wouldn't work. Even though if
you went to if you went to Google podcasts on the web, it
was there fine and played fine. So there's something with the
Google app. And I don't know. I don't know if the Google
podcasts app. Yes. I wonder if they're, if they're caching
something somewhere, because that's kind of what it felt like
to me. And I don't understand and that could be in the app,
but if it's at some, some head end or something that could
affect the numbers people are looking at.
I can't imagine what that would actually be. So when you
replaced the enclosure, it had a different file name, file name.
Same for I can't imagine what that could possibly be Google
unless, and the only thing I can
write, but just I just thought I'd throw it out there.
Now now that you know these things like things like this
oddities like this bother me mentally, the only thing I could
imagine is that somehow they're doing some sort of pass. They're
doing pass through. And but they're cashing in then they see
there's some sort of like, cash patch mismatch. I don't know
what this is. That's weird. Yeah.
Well, only Google or maybe now I think was Google. Is there any
is any other? Do they have any device? For some? I think there
was some other reporting. It's just like, oh, that's a Google.
They're probably using Google system. I don't know. It was
weird.
Yeah. Well, that'd be one thing on op three front. I was
listening to Todd and Rosli said in the media show,
was that a new one? Is that the one they did last week? It
looked like it had a new name, title.
It was a new and it threw me off to I think the title was like
almost the same or something.
Not listened to it because I thought it was somehow something
had messed up. I know, Mitch, I did two sync problems with POD
verse and thought, oh, maybe whatever. Oh, man, go God. God
said sad marketing, you know better than this, which is
You're better than this. Todd. You scared me away from a brand
new episode, and I was looking at I listened to pivot instead.
Okay, yes. Here's the problem. Here's the problem. Last week
show the title was podcast ad rep companies in big trouble.
The title of this week's show is lazy podcast advertising. Rip.
Okay, that's so that's what threw me off. It had
linguistic foo in there that was so similar. Yeah. That it threw
me off too, because I almost deleted it, too. I thought it
was a rehash. I thought it came back from the dead.
Okay, so when was that he good?
Oh, yeah. Yeah, it's good. So the one you know, number one
here is his liquidity was drained. So we you you opened a
new channel to him, we got the
open up, I think, a 2 million Satoshi channel. And me and like
10 minutes later, hey, I'm going over to get lb
saw that? Great. Because I was trying to boost him he was he
was on the show. He was like, man, we must not be having a
good show. Because nobody's boosting this. And like, we
can't, we can't boost you. We're out of money. Sure. out of out
of liquidity. Yeah. But anyway, so no, it was a good show. But
one thing that he talked about on there talked about a lot of
things that interested me. But one thing is, you know, I've
been trying to say for the last few weeks, that what I would
really love is an open is that is the podcast hosting companies
to make some, some sort of data public, of trending shows, or,
like, show lists public, so that we don't have to depend on the
apps themselves to release trending and whatever you call
it, like trending data, or top chart charts and things like
that, like I want, I would like to have recommendations of shows
that are that are coming from the hosting companies
themselves. Like, it doesn't even have to be trending or top
or quote unquote, top shows. It could just be, here's a list of
shows that we we want the world to listen to. It could be just
whatever criteria that the hosting companies want. I just
want lists, I want lists of shows that can be they can be
treated as recommendations, so that we can build open,
decentralized recommendation points that are not based on
Apple, Spotify, Google, these big huge companies. I think the
hosting companies have this data. And I would like them to
give it to the community in some way so that we can the pie. The
podcast industry should build the solutions not
right breach, but companies but so the key word here is what is
trending. What I mean you just want list, but what data and I
can already tell you that this needs a steering group, it needs
a nonprofit it needs it through your mind need a C four just for
the lobbying and Congress to understand what exactly the data
is. How's it compiled? Those are those guys jackin their own show
Oh, I can go on like this for ever on this.
I know I got a guy that can do a 990. For us. We get no, I don't
even kit. Let me I want to be really clear. I don't I
personally do not care if it's a chart for top shows or trending.
None of that bothers me. I just want lists of shows. So, to me a
list could coming from blueberry would be something like, here is
400 Great blueberry shows period. That no no metrics? No,
no. Nothing like, here is the 400 top blueberry shows by
download, like, I don't care about that. It's just actually
the more ambiguous the metrics, the better, because you're just
like, they can be a rotating list where you say,
but it reflects the the hosting companies preference, whatever
that is.
Yes, it reflects, it reflects some sort of quality signal
within the hosting company where they say, the here's a batch of
shows that we consider to be really good quality shows that
are on our network. And that's the only that's the only signal
you get from them. You they don't tell you what the metric
is the the shows could have 12 listeners.
Okay, I gotcha, that will get we will circle back to that.
But okay. But here's what Todd was talking about he he was
saying that specifically, they do not want to release their top
shows, like a list of here's our top shows by download. Because
his words were immediately everybody was start poaching his
shows.
But what to what end? Okay, I just got to go back to first
principles. What what is the point to what to be able to say,
here's a list of cool podcasts to listen to, how can that be
relevant to me, I hear about cool podcasts from you on
signal, or I read about something or I pick something
up. That's this, it's mythical to me, this this podcast
discovery and you know, the best and
this is not about it. This is where this conversation goes
always inside. It's, I don't want to be more clear. It's not
really about discovery. This is more. So we imagine this
scenario. And this is really more of a programming thing.
Imagine this, here's the scenario that we hit during
freedom controller build, somebody installs a freedom
controller, they set up a new account, and there's going to be
a news River in there a river of New Thought news items. Where
are those feeds coming from, there's got to be a default
list, there's got to be something to start with, like a
seed, a seed OPML, where all these feeds are going to come
from? Well, you know, we had to build that. And so we built in,
there's a default list that you start with of about 50 feeds.
That's what I want, I want a default place to start. Because
every podcast app, no matter what it looks like, is going to
have some Bootstrap, that it has to have, where when you go, when
you open the apps, you don't just get a blank screen, it
always comes back to share your OPML always says this. And that,
may I make a suggestion, that's where you want to get your list
from. You want to get your list from individuals, and that can
be aggregated to every single thing that works. Okay. So I
understand what you're saying was, I'm not quite sure why but
here's what I here's what I see a benefit of is that share my
OPML I think is what is basically it's your subscription
list. And, and I find this to be very valuable. And I would love
and you know, this used to be a thing, it's like you used to
have a blog role and be on the side of your page. And these are
the things that I'm the blog's that I'm subscribed to. But your
actual feed subscription lists which people typically use to
export to go from one app to the other, that's actually valuable
information that can be shared and aggregated. What you're
proposing when it comes from, for example, a hosting company
well, I can tell you right now, and I'm I'm a pretty honest guy,
but at a certain point, I think some marketing might show up
that would say, hey, we can even get you noticed, you know,
because yeah, put you up put you on the list and put you in the
rotation. So you know, that creeps in I've worked at MTV, so
I know exactly how this works. It's not people aren't evil, but
it just kind of you know it okay, but that's okay. No, it's
I'm not saying is not okay. But isn't it better to get it from
the listeners themselves and I can identify with this is part
of what I like, although they haven't figured it out yet.
Fountain is getting close to that. Except they're, they're
matching people up with clips and stuff like that. But it's
really like, because you and I listen, if I were to put our
two, we should like we should do this, I will export my OPML and
we'll put them next to each other. And there's going to be
some interesting overlap. And you know, and I can learn about
some things that I'm I Adam curry might want to listen to
not some just default stuff.
Oh, oh, I just had I just
I would like, okay.
We, if everything ultimately ends up being, if all good ideas
ultimately end up being share your opinion. time every time.
If that just let's just start fighting it and embrace it. So
let's let's do this. But why don't I put in something into
the into the API? That's an anonymous OPML submission.
This non cast event obviously, moving could be
yes. And then we'll, we'll have it in den the apps like pod
verse, curio caster, they can just they can submit with their,
you know, customer client class approval with their listener
listening list with their listeners approval, an
anonymized OPML list back to the Index dairy and then we will
index those anonymized lists and just make the in convert those
lists into a public list. That's that can be used by anybody who
wants to have a getting started. Here's a podcast use your
starters.
And now you have a public way to circumvent the most irritating
thing in modern user generated content. Add like and subscribe.
Now subscribe will actually mean something because that subscribe
will show up publicly and we can really see who's subscribing to
what. Or at least what's being subscribed to. We don't need to
Doc's. Anybody Hold on a second. Dave coming at you right now.
Brother. Look at your signals. There it is. There's Adam curry
subscription list.
You just signaled it to him. Yeah. You did that while you
were talking?
Oh, you have no idea what I'm doing here while I'm talking.
Yeah, this all the all the apps if I understand, right, all the
all the 2.0 apps will get your OPML Yeah. Okay, I'm doing
something else here for a second.
Share your bone. Okay, so if all the if all the 2.0 apps, and I
think they all do now support OPML export, they have that code
in I'm already now. So they, they should be able to do
that I need to tell you a story about default lists, just so I
get it off my chest, I have to absolve myself of this detail.
Radio userland was the aggregator slash blog client
that Dave Weiner wrote. That's how I got interested in that's
how eventually that collaboration led to podcasting.
But even before that, before, before we started working on
that, probably couple of years before I don't remember, I don't
remember the timing exactly. I saw this this aggregator like
this radio user land like, wow, I want my blog to be in that
first list of, of 20. Of 20 blogs, and I gave him $10,000 to
put my name in there as a default. No, I think he's told
me that I was on I was on the default feeds list in a lot of
podcast app for a long, long time because of that it paid
off. But I'm just saying that it still feels bad. Many, many
decades later. It's like taking
wooden silver like I can
at what you can
eat Okay, real. It's the real OPML lists from this is what
from
the user this is what I like I think this is a very exciting
idea.
Yeah, you in the listeners have, you can have that side of
things. And then you could also have the host side of things
where they have their lists that they
put into the way but yes, we can put it all together. I mean, but
I just think like this, you gotta have I would drive it from
the listeners have have anyone can contribute. Why not? Why
wouldn't I mean? Why wouldn't an app itself so here's just your
right we can have what is share my OPML that's, that's the
bottom line doesn't matter who you are, what type of entity You
are as long as we can all share it and then we can aggregate it
and come up with some fun stats or, Hey, we got we got a lot of
people, we just need to have the data. I'm sure people like, you
know, there's some AI MSL KYC AML people out there who will do
something really cool with it and come up with some, some cool
charts and graphs and maybe recommendation engines. I
don't know. Yeah, that's this is this one. But it's a machine
readable. I thank you for saying it. Let's not let's stop
fighting the joke.
Just embrace embrace this world embrace this brave new world of
hope in this brave new world of OPML. That's 25 years ago.
Oh my goodness. That
this, this old professor of mine and took took a classroom called
extraterrestrial life. It was in in college, one of the funniest
classes I've ever had. And he he made the statement that all you
know, all the best scientists eventually become
astrophysicist. They eventually turn their turn their focus to
space. And yeah, all the best ideas are always eventually
become share your OPML so let's just do it. Let's just go that
way.
Well, and let's just be careful here. We're doing cuz you're
right. All things. Just the tip, Dave, let's be careful. It's not
not go all the way. This is easy, does it? What was the
beauty of Napster? Was it just that you could search for
something and download it? Or was it? Hey, I'm downloading
this thing. And let me see what else this dude has on his drive.
That exploration was part of the beauty of it. You know what I'm
saying?
Yeah, because you can see the whole collection and not just
the thing you want it.
It's like I would love to have access to now I'm gonna get
fancy here because I would love to have a true OPML file and
have it foldable by whatever. Like an outline. I think James
Cleveland's OPML will be pretty interesting to look at.
Your This is crazy. This is crazy talk. You want actual
valid OPML
I know. I'm sorry. Instead of just a subscription list you and
I have you haven't right valid OPML but Okay, what else? Yeah,
exactly. Yes. That's the crazy talk. I'm talking about
the only person the only person younger than then 50 Besides us
that cares about valid opium mill is Christopher ICs.
Right well he right now he's like well, he can't believe his
luck. He by the way he he is share my OPML
this what is his name? That's his middle name is share
European.
I just does he have an API to his stuff? Because he's got a
lot of stuff going on and OPML
I don't know he's runs like a runs like a rack of like 20 year
old servers in his garage differ.
This is up your alley, brother. This is the stuff you know
about. That, I guess they call this a cool idea. I like it.
So on the well, quick update on pod ping dot cloud.
Yes. This seems to I'll be honest. It's given me a little
bit of a reliability issue. Feelings anxiety. No. Well, I
had a misfire with no agenda.
How did that Oh, I don't know. So Mr. Id three tags. So head
on. May have been you.
Wow. Thanks. IT support. How you help everyone at the firm day.
First thing you do is blame the user? Of course. It's never my
fault.
Check the caps lock you Dumbo
Castle hook. Yeah, it's a problem between the keyboard and
the brain in the brain. But I don't know I don't I don't think
is there a reliability issue with puffy? No cloud on it?
Well, okay. Okay. To me.
Todd hasn't successfully done a live pod ping in his life. That
mine mine failed yesterday. What's going on? And all I see
is Brian of London going Yeah, look, I've got to 8000 things
going on and and Facebook. I can't tell you why. How rich I'm
going to be off of them. And then Dave comes in and goes,
well, this one broke and the AAA dot two and the BB BB is running
fine. But meanwhile, Todd has Ivan. Here's what's happening.
Todd is trying to reach me with his live pod ping. And I'm not
getting them so I'm missing the show. And not only that, but he
does a dumb title and then I missed the show. You're breaking
up our relationship with this pod ping issues
he's trying to reach is a long distance relationship and I'm
interfering with this.
It's like a channel it's like a lightning channel being down
when the when the connection is broken. You feel that
I cannot. I cannot explain why Todd cannot send a left HUD. No,
I don't know what's wrong with this, but I do. But, but I know
what the solution. I don't know what the problem is. But I do
know what the solution is. Now, for
instance, oh, no, I'm sorry. We did get a live ping for
podcasting two point. Okay, that did work. Yeah, yeah. And what I
see right here on my phone, what's, what's the solution?
The solution is the next version of pod pain dot cloud, which we
are working to get, because once once we get lot of reason code
support in piping dot cloud, then then we don't have to rely
on these alternate solutions. People can just send what
they're used to. They can just send there's their thing.
They're paying to pop into a cloud with a lot of reason code.
And, you know, and all these other hacky side solutions, have
they could they go away? Right. So I think that's really
ultimately the fix. And we're getting we're getting there we
we've got the back end and front end talking to each other now.
And thank you to thank you to Alex for rescuing me from my via
from trying to take figure out how to take this protocol buffer
and send it over the socket. In a way, it was driving me crazy.
I'm like, I know, this is it, I know, this is the thing that I
got to sin, and it just would not work. And so he looked at
any in, he was like, oh, you can't send this in pieces, it's
got to be, it's got to be all you got to send the whole buffer
at once. Like, oh, for me, I was beating my head against the
wall. And then he also found that I was not wrapping it in
the correct type. So anyway, he was able to spot some put fresh
eyes on his spot what I was doing wrong. So we got that
working. Now it's crashing, on the on the back end on on the
hive writer. So the ultimate. So we're trying to do this in a way
that's modular as well, because ultimately, we want to have more
than just the hive writer, we want to be able to have other
back end writers where this where you send a pod pain to
piping dot cloud, it gets written to hive, it gets written
to IPFS, Pub Sub, whatever, you know, all it can blast out into
a whole bunch of different backends as appropriate, okay.
And so that's we're sort of trying to solve all these things
at once. With by by designing the correct architecture up
front. And correct architecture. Is this one too many socket?
Yes. You're doing this in your spare time as Alex as is Brian.
Yeah, yeah. And I love you guys for this.
Getting close. It's getting close to the holidays is made
things hard. That's what she said. It's so
I'm sorry, I'm real punchy. We started an hour later, Dave. I
mean, it's your fault. Basically. It's
too I blame retro you had way too much.
This problem is it's not me. It's the dirty the dirty chat
room. Oh,
they get you fired. I
read your quote in the chat room and you'll understand. Okay.
Yes, yes. Yes, of course. Of course. As you guys.
They baited me Good job, boys. You got
this. See this is this is what I do. I do double entendre Yes.
Without realizing it
does actually trigger me through the chat room. You're so
brilliant.
So my my my most famous example of accidental double entendre is
me and my wife went to Logan's Roadhouse. I don't know if y'all
have those in Texas or not. I don't think so. It's like a
chain steakhouse place.
We get have a beef snob. I don't go to chains. Yes, yes.
But we went there for out on a date night or something like
that. And we have, we had a couple of steaks and then and
I'm so full. I can't I mean, I can't eat anything else. But
this waiter who's like, I don't know. 19 years old. He comes
over to the it comes back to the table. He's like, Hey, can I can
I get you awesome dessert? Well, my dad, for my dad has always he
has all these these sayings. Like he's just famous for these
sayings. And one of these, one of his classic sayings is when
he's really full and somebody asks him if you want dessert.
He's like, I'd have to rub it on the outside. Because no room.
So, so this 19 year old God it says do wasn't desert. And I
said, and I flubbed it. I flub the joke. And I said, you'd have
to rub it on me. And so the look on his face when I said you have
to rub it on me, man. He went, why does this sheet thought, oh
my God, these are some sort of this is some sort of creepy
swinger couple or something. He just he just turned around
and walked away. Yeah, that's the only appropriate response.
Then Then, when he brought me the check, like, he was like, an
effing ninja when he brought this check. I mean, I don't know
how the check even appeared on our table. It was like he was I
mean, it's like he didn't even want to get close to us. That's
too funny, man. I forgot what I was even talking about.
I don't know. I'm looking at these, these stats. And I
thought this was a great little colab. And I heard I heard Todd
and Rob talking about add, the stats are not useful. We need
them three 710 14 3060 days and need them right away,
though. Yeah. Todd was not happy with my stats.
No, he was very demanding. But now I have a question because I
don't quite understand it. So I'm looking at the JSON. I got
the feed count total episode. And now it has two categories
has feeds with new episodes. Three days and new episodes.
Three days. What is the difference?
Oh, where you're looking? You're looking at the thing I posted?
Yeah,
the JSON? Daily counts dot JSON.
Yeah, which is, which is immediately not not the right
way to immediately a bad file name. Because it's not a daily
it's an hourly, so I've already screwed that up.
Well done. Thanks.
I'm trying to find the link so I can even see
that podcast. index.org/daily_watch Why are
you laughing at me?
I'm just laughing because you're having to tell me what I did.
It's okay. Slash
pockets and dinners daily underscore
count dot JSON.
So stupid. I don't even know my own files. Oh, yeah. Okay, sci
fi, total count episode count total. 100 16 million. That's a
lot. Feeds with new episodes. Okay, so feeds that have posted
a new episode within three days.
But what is new episodes, three days? That's how
many new episodes have been posted in the last three days
total across the board.
Oh, okay. So oh, so in the last three days, it's pretty much
double the amount of episodes as there are feeds with new
episodes, I saw that so many feeds would have more than one
episode. In the past three days. Okay, that's, well, that's very
interesting.
New episodes. So over the last 90 days, there's been 5,685,338
New episodes,
right? A little bit over. So I like seven days, because that's,
that seems to be the biggest. That's a big number here. Just
makes sense. Because 10 days, it drops off. So it feels like
there's probably too, I'm just gonna pick a number in between
this probably 250,000 podcasts that update on a weekly basis
that we're aware of. Does that make sense?
Well, it should be right there. What's that number was? It was
11,000. So yeah, 77. Yeah. That's your count right there
for a seven day period. That's how many shows have posted at
least one new episode. And someone's
making a lot of money for that billion dollars that's flowing
around this business. Right? It's gotta be one guy in there.
One guy in there is making $900 million.
That's a billion dollars divided by 211,000. That's a lot of
money. Which one is it?
Yeah. Who are you guy?
Okay, so that's these numbers, man. It's so so doable to get in
there and get something done in there?
I think so. I mean, three OSI 338 to 5,685,338 episodes,
divided by 487,236 shows to over nine over 90 days. That's
averaging. Excuse me, that's 11 New episodes per feed over a 90
day period.
So yeah, so a little more than ones like 1.7 1.4 A week or
something.
Yeah, feels like I don't know what I what it feels like I find
I'm bored. Now. You
know what it seems like it seems like 18 years later, and this is
the amount of podcasts that are really active and we still
haven't figured out how to do advertising. Get a
clue Got feeds with value blocks. 10,495 Yeah, this
is my favorite. This is my favorite. My favorite number,
and then feeds with transcripts 22,058.
Of which most of it Buzzsprout, I believe.
Yeah, I would pass a yes or half,
I think. Yeah, that's pretty good. That's pretty good. I like
that.
Look at the episode numbers, episodes or transcripts?
534,202. That's all me this year, at least a third of them?
A lot. But I think these
are great numbers. I love that. No, I loved it. Don't change the
name to hourly or lose it. These are good numbers. I really never
find it in this updates. Let me guess every hour?
Yes. That's why it's called Daily, because it updates every
hour. Okay, I'm gonna change that name. But if we can just
add more stuff. So, you know, once you go down this rabbit
hole, you can just stat all the things so you know, like feeds
with fees with chapters. feeds that are music, medium feeds and
podcast
follow up right there. How are we doing with Slurpee?
We did a big import last week is not called a slurp it did us a
spit as a slurping spit.
Sure it wasn't a song, it was just a specific
topic. The I'm gonna have to limit your 100% of retro time
before the show. This is the reason
why I say that makes you to spice and when I had my company
think new ideas. It was a big company 700 people and so we had
put we put these processes together to run. But you're
basically building websites, you know, but for big companies,
Budweiser, Reebok, you know, stuff like this. And we would
and we it's kind of up to us, we could create whatever we wanted,
within reason with the client sign off and back end stuff. So
we had the system, which we literally called the process.
And at the time staging and production, so you'd have client
services, who would be you know, on the staging server with the
client, the client checking it all making sure it's okay, good
or good. It can go to can go to production, and they literally
had a suck order. That's what they have stuck it over to send
it live. So that's where that comes from.
So you'd have to put in a circle with a
quarter. Yes, exactly. You want to know who devised the system?
Oh, yeah, that would have been 100%. You people love
using it, though.
See? So I had this. I had this. Yeah, we're the meat, the music
thing is going it's continuing to go as just takes forever.
Because yeah, don't analyze all this stuff. And I don't want to
pay $900 a month for a GPU instance on Linode.
No, no, no, but we have a man. Okay. So do we. Yeah, that would
be the one I'd love to see. Next. We'll have the harmony
news. Yeah.
Did we talk about that last week about the different search
endpoints that there are now so I don't think maybe, that people
can use now if you're for app developers that want to index
they want to be able to search music. There's a search, there's
more, you can search only music podcast. Now if you want to only
find, you know, music, music stuff, you want to search within
music stuff, and it'll just return only podcasts that have
been tagged with a music medium.
That's that's pretty powerful. I like that. Yes,
it needs me to use it. Well,
well, okay. It's, it's chicken in the egg, it's always going to
be that if we put on our homepage or on our stats page.
This many feeds, you know, that music enabled or whatever the
terminology is, and published that people will start like, oh,
that's just I can go to the value for Value tab and I can
get the value for value podcast. You do it for music.
And that'll get me really interest rate or On Demand.
Right? Yeah.
And then Okay, so we'll just have the traffic for now because
the only other thing the only other app that does music that
I'm aware of is curio caster, so we'll just we'll just keep that
we'll get that started.
Yeah, I thought about putting a little proof of concept a little
demo app up that would just do Oh, that's even better than just
a one single page Yeah, you know, little nothing at that
that nobody's ever going to want to use as their Yeah, just as
your daily show a
different layout. And by the way, grand dukes or David Foley
is remaking the no agenda Roku app, which guess they upgraded
to the version 2.0 of the sparkle schnitzel, whatever,
whatever code you have to use for the if it's not schnitzel
sparkle 2.0 Then they took that off. So, you know, some some
great developer put this together years ago. So we got
taken down and we can't find the guy he hasn't, you know, we
don't know where he is. So David's gonna make a new one.
And he knows how he has all the 2.0 she Parkinsonism sparkle
stuff. And but he's I know he's listening. He's also then going
to put a music thing in it's going to be interesting because
the Rogan i It has audience, I got people saying, what
happened? I always listened to the Roku. It's weird, but yeah,
they're
doing a great music podcast, the Roku app would be really cool.
Oh, yeah. It's like screaming for this integration.
Oh, I would I would use I would actually use that a lot. Because
we we do that a lot here in the house. We take you know, we'll
use the Spotify app or Pandora or something like that. Just
have music playing in the background. Yeah. Oh, I would
totally do that.
Well, you can also do it. All we want is one for value for value,
though. And David's got to put that in
a note you mean I want to I want to
see confetti spewing on my TV screen from a Roku app. That's
what I want to see.
Oh, you boost straight from the remote. I haven't able mocha.
Yeah, maybe you can do that. I don't know might work.
And then eventually we'll get them to put a boost button on
the remote. No, you don't want to sit on that.
You're talking now you're talking I like that idea.
Ya know what you mean Ice Cube soup about proof of concept
apps. But but if I'm making if I make it crappy enough, nobody
will want to want to do so. I can solve that
problem. Wow, that's exciting. Can you also be also gonna put
it in this in the stats somewhere put the music feed.
Okay, let's do that. Let's drive we got to drive demand. And once
you here's what happens. Everyone's sitting around
waiting for us to do a tape. Just how it works. Which means
we just got to do it. Which means no which means you got to
do it. This is the problem. There's only one of you
know, that's how I started then Alice rescues me and then and
then we and then we have a product this is pretty this is
how this goes every time
well there's a lot of smart people out there who I'm sure
would love to help with some time and talent. True. So we
thank a few people who have been boosting us live it's been the
numbers are big today. Something's going on something
in the air.
Oh yeah, sure. Yeah, that'd be great.
I'm not quite sure why but people are just oh wait yeah,
Bitcoin of course was Bitcoin. They're boosting. Boosting the
dip is what they're doing chat F p back a p bebchuk. There you
go. problem exists between chair and keyboard. That's that's what
we're looking for. That's 20,000 SATs. Thank you Chad. 11,111
from na millennial. I wish I really wish someone would
automate the pod ping process with a simple scripting language
like Python.
It has been there's an example in the repo. You don't even need
Python. You can do it with
the command line or the shell script shell script. Yeah. So
take that booster lujah booster. This is 111,111 Satoshis from
source D lit sticks Archie. Thank you very much 1212 from
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100,000 SATs from Sam Sethi stars star of many podcasts
including Sam talks tech that is what it's called
yeah in star of many buckets including ones that never
published an episode
like the off the mic one which was off the mic had never even
published
it was aborted before it was even born Sam says I would
prefer
activity pub was defined as a listener to listener messaging
protocol get slash post and booster Graham's were defined as
a comment from listener to creator Oh, that's an
interesting point. But agree adding Mastodon addresses to
hosts should be a no brainer also add rel equals me to
profile for verification. Or inside of podcasts. txt or
podcast person tags. Yes, I think Sam was seeing how things
are fitting together. Yeah. Is he you know everyone's talking
about his secret project.
He's supposed to my understanding is they supposed
to unveil say That secret project at Podcast Movement
evolutions like when I don't know when that is but it's I
think oh will
it be with like like a party and a DJ and drinks no
booth babes I don't know
that we call that entertainment it's
that's where the billion dollars in podcasting is going right
Brando sellers 25,000 simple old boost what we love that sorry
boost boost boost Brian of London 1948 I hate to say but we
could do everything we do on Mastodon on the hive community.
Yeah Is there really? Yes if you get Dave Winer to set up a blog
on hive I will do it
too. Right it will challenge
Okay, what else do we have here we have the striper boost 70 777
from Pfeiffer booster bust, and a test boost from me. Oh, here's
Dobby das from RSS. blue.com. Yeah. 21,100 21,001 Thank you
prime. Prime boost. There you go. Thank you very much. Very
cool. Todd Cochran. Whoa, 180,420 20 blades on I am Paula.
So it's like code man.
This theory is proven. is proven fully. I mean, you You abused
how you talk shit about Todd and he sends us 180,000 sets. I
mean, it's just this like, it's not it's
not just 180 120 130,000 for 20 Get it, though, just change to
get Alby because my node continues to have routing
issues. But as Adam recommend, as Brad Adam recommended, I'm
going to try that for a while Dave. Looking forward to the new
pod ping enhancement. Thank you for providing the stats output
we're looking for this is going to prove to be very valuable.
Hence the nice Satoshi boost today. See this is that thank
you. That's value for value. Beautiful. Thank you very much.
Glad glad to do it, Todd and anybody else that needs I mean,
if you need stuff from the API, just ask. I will always do my
best to get it to you.
I think that's what we have. From the Live booster grams. I
think blueberry shows up on your sheet. So you want to thank
these people in our value for value proposition which keeps
the entire shebang running, including $90 a month for
apparently. On house.
We've got let's see. We got to pay pals.
Fiat Fu and fun coupons are always appreciated.
One is from our buddy, Franco Celerio from Casta Matic. Hey,
Franco decent 6969 Nice. He's he says thank you, Adam, Dave, and
all the podcasting. 2.0 gang. Thank you, Franco,
Franco, Franco, man, let me give you some noise for that. 6969 He
didn't say it, but I know you wanted to hear it.
Oh, yeah, he wanted to $25 from Lowell. I'm going to try to say
his name. Lowell. brillant, b r i l l a n t e. Thank you. And
there's no note but thank you lo really
very much appreciate it.
We've got we've got lots of booster grams, but this is going
to be a challenge because I am but it solved itself. It fixed
itself. My email wouldn't open. But now it's
oh, you know what, you know what's gonna come next? We
moved. just moments away from that. From that happening, we're
ready for you.
rebooted right before the show. So it's fine. It's not going to
do any isn't there's going to be zero problems.
I love the stability of your Linux.
Yes. Chaos. 99 90,000. SAS to fountain Thank you. He says
boosting the NCAA discussion. We'll see now there you go. I
know it was boring. But we got a nice boost for it was my
discussion of the NCAA of college football. I
didn't think that was boring. Did I say it was boring?
No. I said it was boring because I was boring. By the time I get
to the that's pretty
boring. If you're boring yourself. That is an issue.
Yeah. Thank you chaos 99 appreciate that. Donkey gave us
100 SATs and this is below the limit. But he says I was
wondering if I could also put my fountain wallet address in the
Art Generator. Yeah. What do I need an ABI wallet which I don't
have. Yes, you can put that in the wallet.
Yeah. If it's your username at fountain was@fountain.fm Then
that's fine.
I think so and you do this also. Answer CSBs question because he
was asking about whether or not you could whether or not there
was a you could also use other wallets besides lbu using the
landing address format in Fountain is one of
those well, as long as it has it, yeah.
As long as a wallet exists, well,
as long as it has the known URL, thingamabob setup.
I think it does. Yeah, no, it
has your Yeah, it has to Yeah. Because that's how I look up.
You know, the custom key.
Yeah. Gene Everett 3333. And he says, boost
give me this one.
Sorry. That's no good behind you. Yes. Up in 1984. Sin is
3000 SATs and he says, to clarify on my boost about
financial ramifications, the tags discussion gave me an idea
to avoid those financial ramifications through
automation. Human error is currently costing the company
Fiat fun coupons in this idea would reduce those errors. Also,
the idea has maybe a 10% chance of being implemented but there's
an r&d position opening up soon so I'm trying to get on
management's radar ahead of the competition. booths, very small
card. Mere Mortals podcast or buddy Karen big real estate's
11 111 through fountain and he says Good riddance to all the
good jokes. Yeah, dabba doo bows, the Bozak send us 1500
says through fountain No, no, thank you. Oh, here, we gotta
gotta read this one. It's 777 s below the limit. He says Venom's
black metal album was one of my favorites back in junior high.
Thanks for the nostalgic moment. Great. Franco Celerio also sent
us 6969 SATs. Whoa, whoa. And what else would he use besides
CAC asthmatic goes to grams, the latest two booster grants by
Franco Celerio. The ones without a message were not set by me.
Either a rogue AI has taken control of cast ematic and began
sending SATs on his own will, during my debug sessions, or
somebody is impersonating me and sending his own money in my
name. No complaints.
V. O S. T.
Bag. Yeah, I'm trying
Karen Karen's back with another 111 111 He says unjustified
confidence is actually way better than justified
insecurity, you'll live a better life like that. Even if you get
yourself into a bit more trouble. I have, I can't argue
with that at all. On that, when it comes to justified belief,
there's a very good book by Alvin Plantinga, called warrant
and proper function. I would highly suggest it if anybody can
get there. And what's it about? It's about why is the
philosophical foundations for being confident in a belief
irrespective of how you get to irrespective of of the quality
of the proof. So you can believe how can we know say how can we
have confidence that the things we believe are true in the in
the capital T sense, even if they are things that don't have
that sort of empirical truth about them?
Sounds like a page turner.
Yeah, if you're into epistemology, it will definitely
be Karen again, he's triple dipping to 22 to 22 through
curio caster, and he says, I watched the FTX debacle on many
different crypto podcasts and videos and came away with a new
takeaway. Many of them had been sponsored by FTX. backpedaling
embarrassment. Yeah. So the advertisement model isn't just
since aureus, but also can the cast unpleasant reflections of
association. And then midway through, they would start
talking about their sponsor crypto.com or Nexo or another
custodial exchange. Yeah.
I learned something just as as data continues to come in, which
I thought was interesting, which may help us understand a little
bit about the the reason why it could get out of hand like this.
And all these so called sophisticated people had not
really seen that there was no regulatory oversight. Turns out,
they spent about $2 billion on acquiring companies or pieces of
companies that already had regulatory approval. They even
had a heading forwards called regulatory acquisitions. So they
were starting to pick up bits and pieces of regulatory
approval by buying into or of wholly acquiring company needs
that had some form or some version of it and I can totally
see Sequoia Capital going hey, you know we spend this money but
these guys are rolling up the it's gonna take forever to get
regulation but with these guys are rolling it up into one ball
there'll be the do whatever they want something like that. So
if you're buying your way into the system rather than building
it,
but basically the reason why no one caught it is because it's
the same way Wall Street. This is the same way everywhere. It's
all corrupt.
Did you did you read? The initial is the guy that's the
inner this the caretaker CEO right now that's doing all the
auditing?
Yeah, I know. He's the guy that that stepped in for Enron.
Ron. Yeah. That to me,
says cover up. That guy that guy was pulled in within seconds.
Oh, I wouldn't say though he blasted it from top to bottom.
Makes me feel even more certain he's covering up something. He's
gonna put the blame where the blame has to go.
Oh, I see what you mean. Yeah. A lot of people did
not go to jail in the Enron thing. Some people die in jail.
He's there to clean it. He's the fees the cleanup guy.
He's the hatchet man.
No, he's clean. Oh, no, no, he's the cleanup. Yeah, he's cleaning
up the bodies. Yeah, he's rolling stuff up in carpets.
He's chopping chopping limbs.
What he says when he points the thing, his his humongous finger
Aha. Is point gets pointed in the directions that it needs to
be pointed at. In order for the parade. It doesn't get pointed
that to not have to endure any real talent have any
connection to the Democratic Party. We can't have any elite
connections. We will throw celebrities under the bus. So
you know Tom Brady, you know, on and on and on. That's the
distraction. That's what all the news reports are.
Oh, yeah. And it's. And then on the other side, you have Mitch
like Mitch McConnell taking donations from for his
leadership campaign. It's all all over the place.
But it's so beautiful because this this entire sham which was
basically run by PR and people buying into the PR is now being
cleaned and covered up by the PR of Oh, geez. Did you hear what
the guys sorry to make you sound dumb? Did you hear what the guy
said? He was from Enron. It was all a mess. You didn't say it
like that. But that's the trick. That's the trick is that yeah,
you did.
That's the way I sounded to myself.
That's the trick.
That he got me It sucked me in. Yeah,
it's just practice. That's the only reason and you know what
I'm doing a little bit of a dive on the guy. See what's going on.
Thank you, Karen
Kyron. Thanks for getting us on. That. was all about
12345. From SLC through fountain it says Argyle Park. Christian,
Christian NISC industrial metal techno. Okay. All right, Argyle
Park. Arg Wiley. Haven't heard of him, but I'll give him a
check. SLC again. 12345 Blue wallet got me my first K and C
box. Oh, nice. Man burgers for the fam. The keeper needs time
to get used to grass fed beef casting.
You finish your ground beef.
I've got one package left I've been doing. I've been eating a
hamburger at nine o'clock in the morning every morning for less.
How you feel?
I'm feeling good. I think different windows made a big
difference. Do
you think you think it has made a difference? For your next
order if I just try something different? Okay, if I can
recommend holy cow beef, holy cow. They're in Lubbock, Texas.
And they said you can buy the primal ground beef from them.
And that is ground beef, but it includes heart liver, the ground
up all the good stuff in there, as well with organ meats. Yes.
And we tried some the other day. We were both like, Oh, do you
have to hold our nose? Nuts. It's just beautiful. You don't
take this? No. I mean, don't eat it raw. But but there's no
there's no real weird taste or smell or anything like that. And
okay, both are really good after eating it.
Yeah, yeah, I'll definitely do that. Alright, thanks. Cool.
That's that's
for that's for the next one. And it's a different flavor profile.
You know, they have different cows. It'll be fun to try it.
It's a little more it's probably a little more irony is a little
bit more of a livery type
flavor to Tina. I know Tina made made taco meat with it. And it
was just like great taco meat. Oh, sweet. It was spicy because
she spiced it but you know, it was like, huh, tastes like spicy
shit liver. No, I didn't have that. But not at all.
Anonymous 22 to 22 Thank you anonymous no note 250 SATs from
Linda's gone it says we
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6969 sets from Hey citizen pod first app. He says the molested
podcast indicates on the doll where the insertion Stop. Stop
really?
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all out of whack here because I'm reading I'm reading
I'll say What are you reading? What are you doing?
I got out I got my email out of order. Oh there it is. Okay, I'm
back. 10,000 SATs from Sir dug in he just says boost
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floydian slips in his 5000 SATs through curio caster and
flooding slip says hugs and kisses. Oh let's see. Comic
Strip blogger. Oh, you know what? Comic Strip blogger? The
Illuminati. He's Yeah, but he messed me up because he changed
his boost amount.
That's why he's boosting the dip for us.
He's boosting the dip. Yes, I'm gonna come back to comic strip
blog. Okay. Brown of London and have the EO 59,913 SAS and I
says it every Rose has its Thorn just like every night has his
Dawn Oh, that's who was as
warrant Well, no, no point no it's poison poison poison every
rose every Rose has a storm song every cow of all things the
same. Oh song. I love I love it when that delay kicks in and
we're singing if you if someone asked us to sing that way you
couldn't do it.
The Jerry's kid podcast No, because you're
exactly right behind me where it still works a synth Copic
Oh, beautiful. It says the beauty of clean feed. It is
blueberry 33 333 Yay. From the boost CLI. He says On last
week's mystery index listing podcast ID 5793896. Recently, I
discovered that you can view the RSS feeds for Mastodon profiles.
There was only one logical question to ask can I list a
mastodon feed in the index? Setting out like a lead cast in
a turn to Tarantino film? About what don't know what he's
saying. Setting out like a lead cast in a Tarantino film about
skits or NCIS Oh, I lost me boobie. I was right there with
you brother.
He loves the end No, you know if no if a mastodon feed magically
has an enclosure you can
do they have enclosures I don't
believe so. Oh, interesting.
Interesting or do they just have HTML? I bet they just let me
check right now podcast index dot socialist grinding we're in
our galaxy level of service.
We are Galaxy level we are
we are the Galaxy levels I just do wait I've got a follow up
note from him I've got to follow Oh Second Part Part Two the
booster Graham the booster Graham got cut off and he says
sitting out with a lead cast in a Tarantino film about scissors
a pulled the BTS feed up in hacked away combining info
format from both feeds this homemade one looks like feta
means monster not a joke. I was eventually able to make the
index list public posts, index list public posts from my
account. What I found is you can toot mp3 on Macedon and have
those appear in the index with enough nudging does producing a
boost double toot. Oh, is that is that true?
I don't know. But I'll tell you that what I'm learning here is
that podcast index dot social RSS feeds are version 2.0. And
they declare the Yahoo media RSS namespace
they should be declaring the podcasts namespace
well it's yes of course they should.
Well I don't know exactly what he's what black voodoo he is
doing. But he for sure as gotten Toots to show up as episodes in
the index. What I don't understand
Ah wait on that on that that index ID
Yeah, just posted it in the in the chat in the In the chat room
that's the that's 57938960 Look
at that
I don't understand what he's doing here get spooky going
around these here parts
so that's that's what plays me bitch. Oh crap that's
interesting so he has two episodes. The first two episodes
there's something spoken going and then it goes to spooked out
social
look looks like he's embedded something if I follow the
mastodon Linko spook does social
oh well he uploaded audio well let me take a look at this RSS
feed is just crazy. When that'd be nuts if you can tell this
page is not available. Okay, so he's hacked something
nonstandard, I guess.
www dot feed up behind the schemes.com/bb fi dot XML
Yeah, that's not as Mastodon feed.
We're gonna have to we're gonna have to figure something out
here.
I don't know also, yeah, I don't I don't see these posts on his
Mastodon per se.
All right, Bouverie code or it didn't happen. Let's see. See
Bouverie again. 80,000 Oh, eight big boob donation he says the
podcast index boosted through the podcast index website.
That's a massive boob donation.
80,000 Oh, that's I feel like that's a big baller shot caller
20 is blades on I am Paula. That's a double D boost. This
past Monday we played a game of chess on air for BTS the next
day I took the video recording of the match massage did and
produced a 45 minute GIF of the game
man madman you are a total madman. Slide that bad boy into
your chapters when the game starts and boom, you get real
time ish playback of chess in a nude podcast app. This goes out
the window if you skip around or listen at a faster rate.
There's another link here so he's jacked this on pod verse oh
man, can I love this this is this is oh there it is. Okay, so
if I hit this was not able to prepare Okay, so then I should
see this in the chapter and it should be my only logical cause
to this shouldn't I see the chapters here somewhere? A
chapter here we go.
This is not just scissors this is way beyond scissors this is
like hedge
hedge hedge hedge cutters or whatever you clip oh my goodness
yes I see it you got a big
is a 45 minutes that's got to be like a 300 meg GIF.
I don't know can I save image yeah BTS chapter chess long was
take a look. I'll tell you how big it is
I hope people actually enjoy us doing dumb stuff. Six mags not
too bad it must be Jeff Jeff chest Jeff
is just about 120 it's
it's a standard size chest Wow, that's a new one for me.
All right. You're a madman
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you for supporting us very, very much. Now I gotta keep you on
time. So if you want to start an argument, then now's the time.
Go I gotta I gotta get you back to the office. Man. You're busy,
busy. When does this end? We miss you
know, I'm, I'm off the rest of the day. Oh, the rest of the
day. Oh,
okay. I thought you started.
We started late. But we got. We got? No, I
thought you had to go late. Or you had to go back to the
office?
No, man, I'm good to go for today. I'm not and I'm off next
week for the Thanksgiving. Which Which brings up a point. Well,
we're both not be having a show next week. Yeah, we
will not be having a show for the Thanksgiving festivities.
Quite honestly, I don't know of any corporation anywhere that
has a board meeting between basically on Black Friday. Yeah,
so So yes, there'll be no board big now. What's interesting is
the week after that, I hope to be able to conduct a board
meeting.
I think we can and I think it's going to be similar thing to
today. I've got to do a presentation, a actually a
Bitcoin presentation for a bunch of lawyers. So it's like a CPE
thing for them. And so I'm gonna do I'm gonna do that. And
that's, that's it like 11 o'clock. So I shouldn't be in
and then just going to take the rest of the day off after that.
So I'll be should be able to hit the show around two o'clock, I
think
and that is Friday the 25th.
No, that's no idea. The second
Okay, so the second so here's the thing. I may not be capable
of doing the show. Because you're having your mouth surgery
that way. On Tuesday. Yeah. So we're thinking it should not be
a problem. But let's just know that we might have to do it
Saturday.
Sure. Yeah. Yeah. Well, we'll just play it by ear as you feel
you know, based on your health.
It's just if I can talk that's all
you can be so goals.
Oh. I am so anxious about it. Like are you nervous? Or never
I've never been knocked out. I've never had an issue. I'm
more nervous about the anesthesia than about the
procedure. And then I know what the procedure is done then I
just know you know, it's a process temporaries I have a
bone marrow transplant because of bone loss. So that has to
heal. So that takes two three months, then the actual implants
come. So it's just a I feel sorry
for you brother.
No, I appreciate it. But I should have done this. Honestly
is eight nine years ago I should have this is just hey, you know
some people got a weak heart. My head's falling apart. We're
gonna everyone's got something this is me. This is this is my
thing. This is my mechanical and mouth mouth stuff. But it's
important that's what I have to do it because it's so important
for your overall health. It is really affects your health in
crazy ways.
Now you're you're thinking you were told by the mother dental
surgeon that this is going to help your sinuses too, right.
Yeah,
I've I've had we couldn't figure out why I was so allergic after
never having that in my life and then moving to Texas and it was
kind of coincidental. But yeah, I've had this, this low level
kind of infection up near my upper molars and they have been
just whenever I eat, which I always thought oh, I'm going to
restaurant in Austin boy. Oh, there it is. I've got the
allergy again. No,
I'm chewing. Oh, and that's releasing the Yes. And that
sends it
off and then you know then the sinuses start flowing. Then
you're done.
That's amazing. It's crazy how that we always look for things
we look for. What are you gonna cut like causation? For
correlate? You know, we're like, Oh, yeah. For years. Yeah, it
makes so much sense that this was just one thing but it's not.
And all it took was like a five minute CT scan, which I'd never
done one of those but that's, you know you put your head in
there. Okay, and then yeah, just go take a look. drill right down
through your head. Oh, look, there's the there's the
inflammation right on an East Side view, rotate, enhance zoom,
arrest him.
Kill us up the address.
Oh, wait, I see something in the reflection on the bumper.
Let's see. But, you know, Alex Bosworth?
Yes. From balance of Satoshis. Yes, the
balance of Satoshis. The guy tool. If people don't know what
balance Satoshi is, it's a it's a it's a, it's written in
JavaScript. But it's a command line tool to let you pull all of
your transactions. It does a lot of stuff. I mean, it's like a
Swiss Army knife of lightning Node Management. But one of the
things it does it has an accounting function. So you can
run baz the name of this named Toby OS boss space, accounting,
space, and then a bunch of options Command Line switches to
pull down your lightning know transactions for certain time
periods and things. Then you can also say, okay, resolve it to
fiat, so it will produce this nice CSV file of, let's just say
all the transactions for the month of, of
of a dozen residue, if it doesn't run out of memory after
three hours what exactly I did running everywhere that I gave
up on balance of Soto's except for doing report, I think I
think report just, I could get a report out of it, but nothing,
nothing. I couldn't do anything else.
Okay, well, through working with him on that issue, because I was
trying to, I will, on a monthly basis, what I do is download, I
use bars, or was using bars to download all the transactions
out of our lightning node into a CSV file for the month. So as
soon as let's just say if it gets if it's, as soon as the
June is June 1 hits, I'll grab all of Mays transactions into a
CSV ends in and have because that way you can have it resolve
the Trent the SATs into Fiat, on the fair market value of the day
that the transaction happened.
Yeah, that's so cool. And boss does that right? It looks up
does a date that even the time or just the day, close price.
I think it's the closing price of the day. It is through you
can go through one or the you can go through coin desk or coin
Gecko to resolve those amounts. Right. And it was working fine
until April. Then when I tried to pull maize. This has been a
few months ago. It just crapped the bed. I mean, like it. It
crashed, memory exhausted, done. Okay, so I haven't been using it
since. And I was like, Okay, well, at the end by that
sometime by the end of the year, we have to get this resolved,
because we'll need to pull our accounting for taxes. So I just
started getting in there while I was working. I couldn't get it
to work. Through working with Alex Bosworth in the telegram
channel. We went back and forth. And he he found the issue and
fixed it. Really what was it? Yes, it was just a memory
management thing. He was pulling. He said that it's got
to do with the way he was pulling the transit the settled
invoices out. He was pulling them all at once, all at once,
and then filtering, rather than pulling just the filtered
invoices. That was That's my layman's understanding of what
he was doing. But he pushed a couple of changes. Finally, we
found the right combination of things. And it's fixed this and
then I ran it and took about nine hours.
Well, for what for one month?
No for May through October. So I ran month 56789 and 10. So it
took nine and a half hours. And it produced. Let's see, two is
like something like two not 2,900,000 transactions.
Oh man, what's what version is? is updating? Do you know?
It's 13 point 5.1 is where the fixes are.
I'm on 11 How the hell did that happen? That's
no yeah, you're way behind.
I must have to get a different repo or something
I can't find had the stats, but I can't find it. But I was
trying to find the exact count. But there so it had I mean there
were there was a lot of transactions. So we're we're
well over Are 5 million transactions now? In our l&d
data processing crazy.
What's even crazier is that no one no one in any of the initial
development lightning labs anywhere, no one has anyone
really considered that this will be used for I don't know,
micropayments. Right. This is what this is, what gets me is
just insane.
But it works. That's the, that's the even more insane part, this
is how it works. Somehow these millions of transactions, it
just keeps on chugging. Well, when
you do not discount to the community. You know, I was, I've
been reading a lot about networks, particularly, you
know, my interest in networks has always been there. But, you
know, kicking a G 20, Member off of Swift, you know, what kind of
implications does that have, I'm interested in, in networks. And
ultimately, the network is just, it's a network, but it's what's
connected to the network. And our nodes are peering our
routing with, you know, with the players with the players. We got
the players, they got the swagger, you know, we have
breeze, we got our B, we got an LM PE with a fountain, it's
like, the the players are connected, and we got the, the
smaller individual nodes, and there's all kinds of people like
Orson Welles or whatever, Steve Jobs who comes in with 10
million sat channels, and it's the community that makes it work
otherwise, and Trudeau Justin Trudeau otherwise, it just
wouldn't work at all. So chapeau Bye, everybody. Good job,
everybody. That's a wrap. Well done for today. Else,
I had another I had one more thing I want to throw at you
ensure I feel like we can do some sort of lightning liquidity
checker.
Oh, yeah. You were paying me about this.
I don't necessarily want to go too far down this hole. But I
feel like that could be a thing that we have a thing that we
offer. Because in here, here's the here's the way it looks to
me in my head, let me just let me just hit you with this thing.
If, if we rule out the big nodes, so anything, we just look
at, look at all the we look at the node IDs is okay, we're,
we're not going to bother checking anything that's on LM
pay for anything that's own lb, or fountain or whatever. Like we
just kind of toss those out. What you're left with is going
to be mostly private nodes. So people like Todd, who are
running their own roles and things like that. If on a
periodic basis, I don't know, once every few hours, six hours
or so we just do a test route to them and see if a payment would
fail. We don't we don't even have to send anything we just do
a test a route payment. And see if it would if it would not
route. We display that status. Some were to them or I don't
know, that's the part I don't know about is how to make that
public. But when we could make that have that information
available is basically trying to give an early warning system to
hey, you're having a liquidity issue.
It's a nice thing to do. I'm a little worried that it's just
fixing a an ephemeral problem. This is all going to fix itself.
You know, Todd's problem fix itself. She went to UK he went
to Aldi
Yeah, I guess I just don't want to I don't want to force people
to get a custodial.
No, no, you see, but Okay, so you but it's not our job. It's
the umbrellas of the world to do a better job to start nines of
the world. This is their job. This is their job. And this is
their job. It's also breeze and it's also the with the guys. You
know, the lightning service providers, those that they're
ramping up, they're going to come in and start offering you
don't have to this is what I love about the breeze wallet. I
have $500 in Satoshis in my breeze wallet. And that's what I
used to pay for stuff and why do I love it? I don't have to think
about the liquidity ever. It's just there.
Yeah, yeah, I guess Yeah, I guess you're right.
Well, I just we have so much to do and I know you just I know
you as much you hate as much as I do. It goes like this. Post a
picture. Your shirts broken. Yeah. And you look at it and
like well Well, you know that you gotta go through the dance,
you know what app you're using where you're boosting from, you
gotta look, where's your it's just like, it's all good, I
think it's going to get solved. I mean, everything points
towards liquidity being managed in an in a, in a self sovereign
way, that you'll just be renting liquidity, but it's still your
keys, you own the transaction power, etc.
Yeah. And if your liquidity provider bails or something, you
just go get another one. Yeah, that makes sense. I guess
this is building out so fast. I mean, I wish I wish I had time
to learn to code. Because I had this. Every day I wake up,
there's another, I was listening to some podcast. And this is
actually may be the stuff that reminded me of, I think, what
happened to Sphinx, maybe they were getting into this. And as a
company that's now going to electricity providers. So like,
go to the co op here. And their pitch is would you like to get
your money faster? Yeah, and they all go Yeah, because
they're dealing with, you know, month long turnaround times,
risk of people not paying after 30 days and not being able to
pay. And so they're doing in essence value for value
streaming of Satoshis for for megawatts, or for kilowatts, or
for watts. And well, and so yeah, so you fill up your, you
fill up your energy wallet. And at the, you know, every single
watt, I guess, every watt that you your whatever, I guess the
VA, that's gonna want to be kilowatts, every kilowatt that
you use, you pay your eight 910 cents in SATs at the market
price at that moment, at the at the moment, you use it as an
instant clip, and it cuts out five steps in between. Because
along the way, they've basically seen that you can do splits,
because it's not just the electricity provider, you know,
there's all these different pieces down the line, including
where your coop gets their electricity from, so you can
split it all off right away and strip out. I think they
calculated between 10 and 15% money that's just lost that
ultimately, you're paying for as a customer, because of the
inefficiencies of the system. So I just wake up in the middle of
the night with these ideas, and my urges to call you and I think
oh no, we already have a great project going What am I doing?
I got a great idea. Let's do energy.
All I want. My life will be perfect. If you too. Dave Jones
could retire from corporate life. Everything else is fine
for me.
Yeah, work.
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