podcasting 2.0 for December 16 2022, episode 113 substance
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making less than checking it twice. Say hello to my friend on
the other end. Ladies and gentlemen, Mr. Dave Jones.
I did a dangerous thing. What did you do did myself during the
intro, and just barely remember to unmute myself.
Why would you do that? Don't I mean, I got I got you covered
broke. I got you covered.
I was I don't know. I think I was in a fog from enjoying my
beef milkshake.
Beef milkshake. Oh, that doesn't sound very good.
I blame you for this new dietary infatuation that
oh, wait, you know, I was going to ask how is your beef diet
going?
My beef journey has progressed all the way to milkshake in,
like Dan Benjamin sent me this. He's like, man, I've got this
great like beef protein shake that I use. I was like, oh, and
he? He said no, no, no. So it's like grass fed. But it's like
isolated beef protein. It doesn't taste like beef. You
know, he's like, it's like chocolate. And he's like, No, I
swear, here by it. And if you don't like it, I'll buy it from
you. Like I just sent it to me
know, do you use the K is the K and C beef in that? It knows.
So I did the like, I ran out of K and C beef. And I had to order
some and it takes like a week to get here. Yeah. And so then I'm
like, You know what, I really need a fallback plan because my
body is loving the like, the super pro to high protein diet
is really like made an impact on the way I feel.
I love hearing this. I love this. You're ready to be on the
meat mafia show now. Okay.
Sign me up. I'll give testimonials. This
is exactly it. And there was the answer was in front of you for
all these years.
Yeah. Like I know, I've said this before, but I didn't
realize if you go if I go back and look. And you'll see in
like, a lot of days I'll see like 20 grams of protein.
2020. Yes, that's for like two eggs.
No, it was shameful. It's Wow, everybody. And I'm like this is
so I have to have like double triple quadruple backup plan
emergencies.
Oh, to have the patience. You got Jacob jerky and all kinds of
stuff. Ready? Yeah. ingest ready to go? Yeah.
Last removed.
I'm so happy to hear that, man. I mean that I know that you've
struggled with all kinds of bullshit, just health wise in
that regard.
And working out and like lifting weights and stuff. Man made a
big difference. Yeah.
Now you know what's gonna happen? Chicks are gonna flock
to you.
We don't want any of that. I got the garlic necklace.
Oh, I think I have a hernia. For real? Yeah, I think I think so I
looked it up. I'm like, Oh, this is kind of like one of those
hernia things.
Go to the dentist and get some dental work and then come out
with a hernia tell you
man this like this is, you know, I don't want to complain. I
really don't. But I was freaked out about the procedure itself.
And that, of course, turned out to be really nothing. It was
almost like, Hey, I almost want to do that fentanyl thing again,
that was kind of fun.
Don't have no don't ever let me hear you say that. Well, we're
doing it again, when the when the posts go in, but it'll be a
couple months. When they say No, it'll be the healing. It'll be
the healing like, okay, when you think of the healing, you just
think of, you know, it's like, I got stitches as all the stuff
going on. They put stuff in it as healing, but you were you
kind of don't get what's not in the brochure is his how much you
use your mouth for functioning in the world. And when when when
things are are missing or displaced and you know it's in a
transitionary state. This is very it affects you in an odd
number of ways. Mainly that you feels like you're wearing a
mouthguard all day long.
Or we're breakages or what gives you this feeling is that the
temporaries are
yeah, oh yeah, because I have two bridges in my mouth and but
they're only attached to the canine so you can't really chew
and it's in an odd way. Let's see, I can empathize with people
who have An artificial limb. Now it's functioning but you have no
connection to it. It's prosthetic teeth. Yeah, yes,
yes. Yes. Yes. No, but they're not connected to the bone at
all. Even. Hey, it doesn't matter. I'm just I'm just
saying. It's like and then I and then I got this hernia, I think
is hernia.
Is it? I mean, does it lay hurt lay Hill every time you laugh?
It doesn't No, not hurt like hell no. Okay. No, but if it
gets any worse in mind, that's probably what it is.
You don't you don't need to mess around with that. Like, you
might want to go get that checked.
It's like a quarter of all men get something like this. It's
not bad. Unless unless it cuts off your, your intestines or
whatever.
Yeah, yeah. At all,
feeling kind of woozy? No, Dave, I don't know what to do.
You wait your whole life with like, no medical things ever,
ever. Now. They're all happening at once.
Everything's coming together. Just just perfectly.
Now you're in the system. That's right.
Yeah, that's right. I mean, this is yeah. Yeah, well, it's all
right. My deductible is like $9,000. So that's fine.
Oh, yeah. No, you just take your car and you.
So this is kind of near the end of the year. And I think we
actually we are doing an end of year show. And I'm kind of
regretting not even ever wanting to do an interview show, telling
me how many people have asked me to do a thing for their end of
year show. And it involves a prediction and highlights from
the last year. And I'm not one of those. Yeah, no, I know. I'm
only half. That's, it's like pod news weekly, like everyone is on
there, where their reviews and predictions. And I know why do
we die? Does everybody have to do it? I didn't do any of them
this year. Oh, you didn't know I didn't get oh,
Sam hit me with what was your highlight of or know what do you
think's going to happen in 23? I was like, mental blank. I
haven't. I don't know. I have no idea.
Didn't you just didn't you just plug pod ping? 2.0. I was
plugged it first. But I didn't know where the like what's going
to happen? I think I mean, I was being honest. I think probably.
I guess my my prediction is just the slow march forward.
Yeah. It's casting does it always grows with, you know,
like, between four and 7% a year no matter what it is? takes time
very slow rollout. Well, we can kind of review for ourselves. I
mean, last year's predictions. I think we were right on every
single thing. Facebook, YouTube. That'll be nothing. We both said
it. clubhouse clubhouse has been rounded out? No. So we predicted
everything that would that would that would fail. We're pretty
good at that.
As a matter of fact, I don't I can't think of a single thing
we've ever gotten wrong.
Exactly. Companies running out of money predicted. People get
fired. Predicted financial deep platforming is one of the
reasons we started this. I will make a prediction for next year.
I will I will. Oh, please. You want to hear me? Because I have
to. Yep. Artificial Intelligence will suck and no one will use it
in podcasting. It's bullshit,
though. I want to talk about I want to talk about chat. GPT by
the way, yeah, let's do it. You know, what got me? Well,
everybody's posting their chat be GPT screenshots and stuff.
And, you know, whatever. So what piqued my interest in this was?
Was it Oh, it's open AI? That is the people behind chat. GPT.
Right. Yeah. And what caught my attention was they gave D
script, which is, you know, the popular podcast editor thing.
They gave that company $80 million. Yeah, that's a lot of
money. Yeah. And so like, this is not the end. I don't know
anything about these screws now about the script. But these open
AI people who are their investors, because they must
have some serious cash if they can just part with $80 million.
Oh, no, open AI. It's like, it's like the Linux Foundation. It's
all it's all big tech.
I don't think the Linux count Foundation has $80 million.
The Linux Foundation is pretty much owned by Microsoft as a way
I understand it. I'll bet you they do have that kind of money.
But maybe I'm wrong. Let's take a look at who who's who is open.
I mean, I don't know. But okay, let's so I understand your your
premise.
Right. But this is not an I know it's just I know it's just
semantics. Okay. Open AI RT. But this this none of this is real.
None of this blows my mind here.
No, it's It's basically Amazon. The chat stuff to me is C Siri
Alexa or Hey, Google, whatever you want to call it, with the
same stupid answers just a little more embellished and
flowery. word salad.
It's exactly what it is. It's word, salad word salad. It's
it's just all different variations of a fancy fancier
Mechanical Turk.
Yeah, exactly, exactly.
I think I guess the reason I want to bring it up, though, and
tons of money around clearly, but in as this stuff gets
better, I think we need to, at the MES think we need to
remember a few things about that this is not this is not Intel
intelligence
in any manner at all. In any
way. No, you know,
so, but you know what happens? You know what happens with this,
I'm gonna I'm gonna cut I'm gonna give you my opinion, real
quick on this. What happened? I want to hear so people all
jacked and Jedi. Like, oh, it can, it can release, it helps me
write my review, at least it helps me do my code. At least it
helps me do my art. It helps. Bah, bah, bah, bah, bah, you're
this is a prison and you're helping construct it. Because
one day you're gonna wake up and that same artificial
intelligence is going to be making decisions for you. But
not on your behalf. It'll be a government agency that has
bought into it and thinks it's all great. Oh, yeah, it's
fantastic. So this is where the decision will be made? Do you
get parole? You go to prison. And we all know AI is racist,
don't we? This is already happening. By the way. This is
not this is not fictional. This level this is if you think this
is the best that AI has to deliver. Imagine how bad it is
the stuff they're using in courtrooms today that are making
decisions about people and recidivism, recidivism,
recidivism, recidivism, you know, committing another crime
going back to jail. And we're trusting this level of AI on it
if this is the best. So you're building your own prison, people
stop it.
at them, the scarier thing to me is medical decisions. Yeah,
there you go. No, that's gonna you know, that's going to have
an egg give you a perfect example, got a friend who, who's
married to a pathologist, and the pathologist was had
contacted the doctor, because they're like, looking at this
slide trying to determine what, how to diagnose. And she was
like, you know, I need to know this person's medical history,
because it looks, this looks like it could be X disease. I'm
trying to be discreet here. And so in the doctor would like
wooden wouldn't say, it has something that she finally
figured out, okay, this person must be must be homosexual. And
the doctor doesn't want to tell me. But what I'm seeing here is
something that's very concerning. And that and I need
to know that information, because that puts, that puts the
risk that changes the risk profile. And so they're having
this, there's sort of this politics that came into this.
And the pathologist was like, look, look, I don't care about
any of that. I'm trying to accurately diagnose this person.
And I can't do this without a full medical history. And what
Tick, tick the box was, you know, oh, this person has had a
monkey pox vaccine recently. Yeah, she's like, Okay, this
must be what's going on. And so she was trying to put all this
stuff together. If if there was an possibility of a AI, that
could just cut the pathologist all the way out, and all of a
sudden, you don't have to have these uncomfortable
conversations anymore. You just feed the data into the system,
and the AI spits out the diagnosis, the pathology,
diagnosis and all and you know, and you're all good. And what's
been lost is, is a full workup by human who knows how to read
how to read this stuff and do it orally, medical history,
and along with, you know, we're not talking about artificial
intelligence, we're talking about artificial art. That's
what people are showing me. This is an art that's artificial.
This is writing, which is an art which is made artificially. This
is a voice which is artificial. It's just artificial. It's not
even it's no it's it's no intelligence in this. Anyway,
when I hear predictions, oh, AI is going to move into
podcasting. Blow me, no, no way. Go away. Now, my final
prediction of the two is ad based podcasting. advertise a
podcast who exists because of advertising, ie, you wouldn't do
your show for free. So there's advertising in your life. These
podcasts are going to suck more and more, because there'll be
less and less of them because of safety and suitability. Safety
and suitability. It went from brand safe to, I think, trust
and safety. And now we're at safety and suitability. And and
I have this information from pod news weekly. This is I think the
founder of an ad podcast, ad agency, I believe called
barometer Did you hear this particular interview? That's
the only thing I've heard from so far, I didn't have chance to
listen too much I have a clip? Well, what
we figured out is that we have a certain level of responsibility
for the environments we place our clients in. But sometimes we
limit that discussion to just what is said in the show. And as
it turns out, there can be a lot of challenges for brands that
affiliate with a show that may be safe, but the host is not for
reasons that happen outside of the show. Oh, so we get a your
emergency.
And I love actually, I heard James Cridland acting surprised.
I don't think he was even I think he was sincere
email that hosts were sponsoring was caught wearing a shirt that
said something controversial in the wild. And all of a sudden,
this is a topic. So if you thought that you're only
responsible for the show, you are not you are responsible for
the behavior of that individual, to some people to some
stakeholders. And so really important that you get
visibility into that as well as what's in the show itself.
Wow. I mean, other other any examples that that that wearing
a shirt can't be a proper example, can it
the second part of this, but this, of course happened on
Patreon. We saw this happen a while ago, and Patreon came on
the scene as a value for value type proposition. But not
really, because you know, if you did something nasty on YouTube,
then we're gonna throw you off Patreon. Because you are an
undesirable. You're just not even if you have a wasn't even
in your podcast. So you were a guest on someone. This happened
several times where people were taken off Patreon for this
reason.
Yep, that's, I think that this might be the best. Like, what do
you wanna call like the best evidence for why? It's fantastic
that Twitter is imploding? Because if you can, you can do
all of the if Twitter if not Facebook, not anything. If only
Twitter did not exist, there would be absolutely nothing.
Here, there would been there would be no story, there would
be no brand safety. It's all a bunch of Twitter nonsense. Like
it's the Twitter mob in the Twitter mob is like creaky and
cracking. Now, as they get splintered into the diaspora it
like this, all of these things begin and end on Twitter. And I
for 1am Glad to see the whole thing just kind of crumble,
because it's dumb. I think Todd Todd Cochran is right. He says,
you know, he's been railing on brand safety, algorithmic brand
safety and that kind of thing for a while. And his point has
been, it's just targeting, it's targeting under a different
it's, it's, it's ad targeting under a under the guise versus
brands.
It's reverse ad targeting is what it is.
Yeah, it was you're literally,
you're not you're not targeting to an individual group. You're
saying we've pared down the group? Here you go.
Yeah, okay. Yeah. It's a it's a fill its filters. Yeah.
Yeah, exactly. You want to hear this? The second part here is
one rod lifts up.
Yeah. No, that's a real example. Absolutely. Yeah, there was a
podcaster, who wore a shirt that didn't make any sense to me. Not
something I would have recommended that they were but
they were wearing it and someone snapped a picture. Somebody put
it on the internet and Twitter was a blaze. So it's not the
only example. We have a truly people trend for all sorts of
reasons people get upset with a personality for all types of
reasons. And, you know, I think in the early days, we might have
imagined that it was exclusively about what sit on air and then
their personal life as their personal life. But we don't live
in that world anymore. Oh, and so that's not to say that we
advocate for disassociating with programs because of every
behavior that a talent is accused of conducting or
conducts. But but it's helpful to be aware of it. So sponsors
and listeners, I can be eyes wide open with their
affiliations and what they're consuming.
So it's fine. You know, I don't mind. Everybody can do whatever
they want to do. But you just need to be aware of the fact
that this is basically mainstream media. This is what I
lived with, for most of my entire life, but certainly half
of my professional life is the context the morality clause. And
you even have I was offered a book deal for, for my book
morality clause. Now I'm not interested I'm not interested
morality clause that's, that's when you become the slave. And
I'm drawing the Express analogy to Kanye, or even Prince, if you
want to take it to that level, when they have you by the balls
like that where you cannot behave the way you Dave
Chappelle, where you cannot behave the way you want to who
you are as a full person in your full self. Because they will
hold that over you and all it takes is a to n. Twitter mob,
I'm not necessarily going to agree that it's only because of
the Twitter mob. This is this is everywhere, in life in general,
but it is the virality flowing through the Twitter and believe
me, Twitter's not falling apart. That's a whole nother
discussion, but it's not falling apart, it's going to be
something else. And you're not going to have this much fun or
that we used to have. But this this idea of being captured in
the advertising model is something I would like you
anyone to consider carefully before you get into it. Because
the worst thing that can happen is you're successful believe me.
So what's the prediction? You This is a you had this as your
prediction was? Where's the what's the what are you
predicting
death and destruction? Saddam Sodom and Gomorrah of the ad
based business now I put my prediction was it's going to be
boring. It's gonna be boring. It was it was gonna be boring. And
one has to be boring. Don't wear don't wear that crazy kooky t
shirt. No, no this and that, that is now being baked into
into the industry. Now people, I just feel so so bad of the hoax,
that there's an actual ad industry and the people are
making lots of money. It's not this very small groups, I think
very, very small groups. Look, if Spotify can't even make
money, the 600 pound gorilla. They can't even make it work.
Where's the ad business?
Right say I wrote down on Monday, December 2023. Adam
content will be boring.
Ad based content will be boring ad bed based ad based content.
Meanwhile, everybody else live in value for value is having a
good time we got the champagne we Okay. Okay. It's more like
Prosecco. But you know what we got Prosecco. And we're having a
good time.
We do this why Zinfandel?
Exactly. We don't we don't need your crystal. Okay, because
we're free men and women here. We're free. We're free to do as
we wish, no one can tell us what to do. And we're supported. And
we're loved at any given moment, by the SAT streamers.
The mic, I think my example to Sam was HTML. And II, like, I've
got this folder that I keep around this got a bunch of old
web browsers and every every now and then just for a kick, I'll
just go like fire him up. Now that's
doing runs on your machine. And if to run that, in a virtual
machine,
does it runs like I've got a copy of IE one? No, it's just
it's a single executable in that funny. I mean, it's like a
single one meg executable. You just double click it and it
fires up. I mean, like, you can't do anything. But HTML one,
HTML two. They had like seven tags. No, yeah. Oh, yeah. You
know, it was like it was like nothing. But
back in the day. Well, that was that was JavaScript.
You will, when you first saw those early web pages, you had
to think okay, you here's companies like Adobe, over here
that are that are behind things like postscript. And you have to
imagine that they looked at the early web and they were like so
stupid that you can't Are you telling me that thing is going
to take over our industry? Oh, like, that's the reaction.
I'll take you one further. Craigslist was very clear.
What's his name new mark. Craig. But anyway, Craig knew. Yeah. He
he went to all the big publishing houses and said, and
most famously, what's the what's the one in Chicago? The
Chicago publishing his
Publishers Clearing House. Whatever it was, they said, Hey,
we're going to take away your business. You should probably
buy us now. You know, for like, and no, it was Hearst. Actually
no, I've heard the story from will Hearst. Yeah, you should.
You should buy us now for like $5 million in that one. It's
true because the business model of newspapers was classified
ads, that's where they made the money.
And then when they left him out of the room, yeah.
And later, later, they came back to screw him with. With that bet
with that. What was the back page, the back page Backpage
legislation that you know, you couldn't have, you have to vet
every single personal ad and so they basically put Craigslist
out of business, which he could have seen coming to.
So that's my, been my prediction for the slow march forward of
podcasting. 2.0 is bait is based on that, you know, this, it's
easy to look over here and say things like, up. Nobody wants
this crap. You know, and no, like, who cares about comments,
and you put in your podcast app and bobble in are so easy. Look,
yes. Look at my spear look at Spotify. It's perfect. It's a
full stack. Integrated, we know when you're in your car? Well, I
know and all this kind of stuff.
And I have to remind people, you know, software is hard. It's
hard to do so. And when I see someone posting well with a
fountain app is going to be glitchy of dump at switch to
another app. Don't do that? Don't be a dick. Do you have
anything nice to say then? Don't say anything at all? It's not
easy.
No, but then you look back, don't you look back in a few
years. And it's going to be you'll see clearly the
transition point. When things begin, I will combine I'm going
to do I'm going to do a trickier kind of I'm going to combine my
prediction with your prediction to make a third prediction. Oh,
it's a mega prediction. It's meta meta prediction. Here we
go. Here we go. Yes, yes.
The the ad based content business will become boring,
which will drive people away from boring content and
therefore increase the pressure to come out with cool features
to bring people back to content which will further podcasting
2.0 which will create and make content even better. The pod
sage has spoken
all I had man and just pulling stuff up again.
Yes, this is a this is a grant. This is a great thing. This is a
grant prediction, more ad based content. More brand safe, more
brand safety and suitability. Yes, since shoot ha man I'm
gonna write this down these horrible things, say shoot
ability. Suitability, suitability what how many? How
do you base suitability AI will take care of it. Don't worry.
The this is it. So I guess on the same topic, a little bit
because the here's the chick from the Brookings Institute.
The anti podcast lady. Yeah, the
anti POCUS
issue back with another another article.
No, no, no, no, no, but I heard it. She's not she's not bad. The
last one was, the last one
was late. It was late. It was yeah, that was obvious. And that
wasn't obvious, just like sucking up to some political
bullcrap.
I only got mad once. And so I'm like, This is stupid. But I've
got a I've got a clip. And this is just so we're all on the same
page about what the Brookings Institution itself is. This is
an old an old lecture by Jeff Tucker, back when he was at the
early days of the Mises Institute in Auburn. And he's
talking about he spent time in Washington. I don't remember
what I don't remember exactly what he did there. But he spent
time in DC. And he's this the larger speech is called
Washington warp. It's like how the culture of Washington DC
basically just changes you and morphs you into some other
creature than you were when you got there. Oh, yeah. And so this
but he in here he drops, a little nugget about the origins
of the Brookings Institution,
provide the Progressive Era, new rationales for state power has
grown and become far more sophisticated. Now the
government needed to exist and expand the pursuit of a social
science in the name of government management. That's
the phrase public policy for the first time was born. And what is
this thing called public policy? It was supposed to be some third
path beyond pure scholarship and, and mere political
agitation. Its purpose was to put a smooth and respectable
glass on a power grab to achieve social management in the name of
science. And the nation's first think tank, in fact, was founded
in the height of the progressive era in 1916. As the Institute
for government research, it was initially funded entirely by the
Rockefeller Foundation to carry out the dreams of the Ivy League
political science profession for scientific public policy. Here's
how the Institute for government research came about. And
President William Howard Taft administration, group of these
broad progressive political science and municipal reformers.
were charged with a way of coming up with improving data
collection techniques data collection as a function of the
modern state commission recommended that Congress form a
consolidated information and statistical arm of the entire
national government that's at the heart of this statistic farm
would be the budget division that would present a quote
annual program of business for the federal government to be
financed by Congress. A bill was drafted and went to Congress but
Congress said no way and deep six the whole idea on grounds
that it seemed absurdly socialistic, disgruntled members
of the committee set up the Institute for government
research. And later a certain St. Louis industrialist, an
educator took over the job of financing it, his name was
Robert S. Brookings. After him, the Institute for government
research was eventually renamed to become the Brookings
Institution. Now, the reason I tell the story, the Brookings
Institution is show that that the the relationship between the
think tank in Washington and the government has always been
intensely close, it can't really be any other way. That's always
been the function of public policy research institutes. And
and some extent that well, to a very large extent that survives
to today. The story of Mr. Brookings itself is fascinating
in its own right, and World War One, he was called to Washington
to be the commissioner of finished products and Chairman
of the price fixing committee and the War Industries Board. In
short, it was a he was a central planner on a totalitarian model,
a man who hope that many more could follow him and enjoy the
thrill of fixing other people's prices and running the economy
into the ground.
Right. So this, this makes total sense. Of course, this is why
the Brookings Institute institution that wants to have
some kind of moderation policy for podcasts because they can't
control the message in podcasting, which was pretty
much our mission statement. I think we in fact, at one time
wrote down make sure government can't fuck with us was not a
part of the mission statement.
Remember that? It sounds like some food, right? Explain
Jeff Tucker, for people who have never heard of him.
Yeah, Jeff Tucker, he was the he may have been the first
president of the Mises Institute in Auburn, it's in his he goes
back to this era when the Mises Institute is an Austrian
Austrian economy, basically an Austrian economics Think Tank.
And they got offered, if I'm, if I remember the story correctly,
when when Tucker was was leading that group, they got offered to,
I think it was by the Koch, Koch brothers, if I'm not mistaken,
they got offered to be well funded millions of dollars in
funding, this was maybe back in the early 90s. But the one
caveat was they had to move their, their facilities to DC.
And they in the Mises Institute said, No thanks. Not doing it.
We're staying we're staying with as soon as we move to DC, we're
going to lose all of our principles. We're going to we're
going to forget who we are that sorry, they turned down millions
of dollars basically a free ride a gravy train on based on
principle and that all pretty, you know, pretty much was under
Tucker's leadership. That's the guy he is so I mean, you know
may you may not agree with everything that he thinks but he
is a person of principle.
So here's this is interesting that you bring this up so I'll
just give you my my Twitter pitch because this flows right
into it because Twitter would be exactly the platform that he was
talking about, but the Brookings Institution would be involved in
and this is perfect for you know, canceling shadow banning
whatever whatever kind of control you know, obfuscation
all of it, but it was kind of funny to see on my I have a
private little Mastodon instance that I run just to subscribe to
people so that I have no noise just all the signal and all the
journalists are just outraged. I can't believe about about
Twitter policy you know, it's like they've always been
blocking, obfuscating. Nothing's really changed. It's well it
perception is it's shifted but doesn't matter. I just want to
point out this is all distraction. This is all a big
smokescreen while everybody is running around with their heads
cut off. The stack that's being implemented is payment
authentication. Twitter has applied for a processing
license, they in essence will become a bank. Elon Musk wants
you to put money into Twitter and Twitter will give you
interest payments so it'd be like a month The market account.
So wants to run all of your finances, this is why it doesn't
matter at all, how much he charges for the Twitter blue.
That is it is about authenticating you with
payments, authenticating with payments is very critical,
because then you can get a monthly confirmation that your
data is still valid your address, etc. In addition to
that, if you've noticed, there's a big policy around your screen
name. So if you have, if you have a blue, then it has, it has
to be your name. Now, you may, you may be able to put in there
that you're with a certain organization, but it will be
your name. So it's a lot less fun to troll and, and mess with
people, when your name is your real name. And your data is who
you are, is traceable, easily traceable, because there are
free speech or not there are laws against slander and, and
other tort laws. So it's going to be parents scuze. Me, it's
going to be it's going to take all the fun out of it. But it
will and this is what I believe he's betting on is he will have
the two things that are necessary. For the central bank,
digital currency, wherever the world goes, in the future, you
will have the digital ID and the payment mechanism with the
appropriate licensing and oversight to do it. And it's not
going to be Dogecoin and it's certainly not going to be
Bitcoin or lightning and stop wishing that he's going to do
podcasting 2.0 Because it's not going to happen. Go look at
WeChat that's what he's building. That's what he's
always said he wanted to build, and everyone is distracted by
this free speech thing, which you're gonna get exactly what
what you asked for it will be free speech, but you won't be
able to hide behind any fake name or pseudonym. So the fun
will go will die.
This all the brands, brand safety, content moderation. Ai,
they all feed into the AI you know, you heard in that pod news
weekly interview, they're talking about their AI and their
product and they can do all this stuff. It all goes back to this
AI which is essential, which is just skip logic is yes, it is
skipped in COBOL.
Exactly, you could you can run it on as 400. I'm not impressed.
But that all goes back to data collection. It's all about data
collection. And that's what that's what the Brookings
Institute that's what these places do is data collection,
that this it's not a it's just running algorithms over over a
data set. That's not how intelligence works. That's not
intelligence know, that. One of my favorite, philosophical,
probably a person whose philosophy I've built. Most of
my own philosophy on that is at least metaphysically is
Gottfried Leibniz. And he's, you could call him a disciple of
Descartes. But he really had a lot of his own thinking he just
sort of fits into that mold. Because his, you know, he's
essentially a substance duelist but he's not making that his
thinking. A substance duelist you gotta you gotta get Yeah,
well, like,
you know, it's you have a physical it's that you have the
physical world and then the spiritual world, and they're in
there two different substances. They're there. They're two
independent, independent things, you don't have a it's not a it's
not a unity. And so he, you know, he, one of my favorite
things he wrote was this, I think they call it the mill
argument. So his, it goes like this. It's a, you know,
philosophers like to do thought experiments and possible world
scenarios, of course. So he says, it's like, imagine that
you have a machine and this machine can think, or whatever
that means. And so he thinks of it like a mill. He says, Okay,
imagine that. Did you have this, you know, this mill and you blow
it up big enough to where you can walk into it and see all the
parts. You can see the wheels pushing on on other wheels and
the gears and all these things that make the mill function? He
said, No, no, take no, do that. Same. That same thing. Take bit
now take the brain and imagine the functioning of the brain,
whatever you think that looks like. Extreme below it. up large
enough to where you could walk inside of it and look around.
What would you see? What would you see that represents that is?
That is the thinking that is happening. You can't envision
the push, I think he's calls it the pushing and pulling of
mechanisms and parts that create what we know as thinking. It's
not
trying to get their brother. Good.
And the reason is because thoughts and perceptions are
different from representation. So you can say, a perception and
a representation, a perception of a thing, and a representation
of a thing or are different. The perception of a thing a thought,
it's a single, it's a singular, it's a single thing, it's a
unity. You can't subdivide it into lesser parts. But
everything else that then including AI, in these things
that pretend to be intelligence, you can always subdivide them
into smaller, smaller components. That's physics. I
slipped perception is not physics. Perception is
metaphysics. They are thoughts and ideas, and, and intellectual
objects are all singular way he called a monads are things that
cannot be subdivided into smaller parts. I mean, if they
represent a
book that you sent me,
Oh, no. That's a different book.
I'm digging it all though. I'm digging it. I hate what you're
saying.
But this is the only reason I bring this up. This is important
to remember because this is all the artificial intent. Like, I
recently watched that thing with John Carmack, this interview
this Lex Friedman interview with Carmack, I think we may have
played a clip. And he's real bit him. He's just so high on this
idea that we're gonna figure out intelligence man, we're gonna
it's just gonna be so simple. And we're gonna have a general
intelligence engine. And that's not the way this works. This is
the one this is why metaphysics Trumps physics every single
time. The physics gets you so far, and then it just stops and
you're stuck. And if you can't go, if you can't understand the
metaphysics, you're just you're just at a wall and you'll never,
you'll never get there. No matter how smart you are. I
think we need to keep that in mind.
I have. I have high school intelligence. And that's about
all I got. The rest is from the streets of Amsterdam and New
York.
The streets of hipsters, and all over the for the canal. That's
right, the old and the old streets of London as well. All I
know is that I can spot AI from a mile away, especially when
it's art. Any form of art. It's insulting that even okay, I
posted this and
that's okay. That's why I brought it up that I'm glad you
said that. This is why I brought this art this sometimes I bring
stuff up and I'm not sure exactly why this book because
it's important to remember those things. Even when it we get to
the point where you can't spot the difference. When we get to
that point, it doesn't mean that that that intelligence has been
achieved it still this thing because the intelligence is does
not fit the description of what intelligence actually is. Pa
doesn't hurt what I can still
say yeah, I just gave you a swift kick to the going.
Oh my goodness. Okay, well, that was the sorry that was worrying.
No, it wasn't it was deep. But it's okay because now comments
your blog. Hey, if you if you disagree with with the pod sage,
boost us boost us with your grievance. All your grievances.
We want to hear them please.
But I did bring something that I think will it is your favorite
topic. Okay. Stats,
we yay. Hello. Well, actually, we did have a little
conversation about stats. We had a back room meeting. Should I
tell people about our Back Room meeting?
hoping I was hoping that you would do this? Yes.
As you know, I've had very little affinity with statistics
of who's whose podcast app is is on the leader. And because all I
hear is everyone's podcast is number one. That's an every
everyone has a list where their podcasts are number one, so I I
put very little faith or any anything and these are never
podcasts I'm interested in listening to interestingly
enough now Um, so I, you know, I think I contributed 70% of the
data in the OP three system. Everywhere we can and we are
contributing data, I don't really get much back. And then
you gave me a statistic which I liked, which was, hey, because
we changed a few things are Thank you very much. You saved
me now. 30 minutes per no agenda show, certainly. And probably
for most others by adding the web hook and, and moving the no
agenda feed out of a horrible cash situation.
Now you're going to you're going to say what we did or you want
me to tell it? Yeah, yeah. Just
can you do it in a little shorter than done the whole AI
thing?
Man, Merry Christmas to me. Thanks. Good. Okay, let's see.
Short, short, short. Okay. We moved, Adam is now uploading his
feed to a CDN that we control, which is in object storage,
which behind CloudFlare, and the the normal Feed URL for no
agenda is just a 302 redirect to that URL. Okay, go.
Which is great, because now I don't have to do everything by
hand and literally wait until the cache on the RSS feed is
done for to hit the pod pings all this stuff. So it's
beautiful. 30 minutes is a big deal in my life, when you can
remove that off of production pre or post or combined.
You showed me your pre post checklist. And it was
ridiculous. I
did that. So I don't mess something up. So anyway, so this
now put us in the, because we don't run any stats on that. And
so now we have Cloudflare cloud, yeah, Cloudflare stats, and you
said, Oh, man, the no agenda feed has been checked over
10,000 times in the last hour, lol. And I'm like, Hey, let's
track who because everyone who's using pod ping is not wasteful.
Because you get the you get the pod pin, you know, and you don't
need to pull my feed. So why don't we use the statistics for
something other than podcast consultants and you know, people
who just want to know how their own companies are doing, I want
something for me. Finally, here's a stat I want so I can
name and shame the people who are killing our Earth with an
unnecessary, unnecessary polling of feeds. And I asked, I think I
asked, is it just head requests? Are they pulling in the whole
feed? I'd like to have a metric so we can see how much energy
will well we'll boil it right back down to true energy, or
these platforms or apps or organizations wasting and I'm
going to have a personal blacklist, which I will publish.
I will publish and we'll give annual awards are going to have
an award, which I will try and get into the the Podcast Awards.
I lent it killer award.
Yes, the planet killers of the Year award in podcasting. And
I'm hoping that maybe you have some data for us today.
I do have some data. The biggest planet killer by far is podcast
addict.
Wow. Okay. In 12
hours yesterday. Podcast attic pulled the feed 13,000
The actual feed not just a head request, but a full full Paul.
I didn't go that far. I just I'm just showing purely checks. I
don't
know. Versus because that'll make a big difference, won't it?
Oh, yeah, for sure. Yeah. Will. The sea antenna pod checked
2.6 1000 times. So 2600 times podcast guru Jason coming in
hot. With 979
the wrong way around. You got we already blew the number one.
Okay. All right. So
I supposed to go bottom up. That's okay. It's okay.
I'll cut it out. No one will ever know. Start at the bottom.
Right.
Oddly enough, overcast was very low 214 times in one hour. So
that's in one hour and then it No, not in one hour. Now. This
isn't 12 hours.
Oh 12 hours? Well, because overcast, they probably he has
an algo running. It's like oh, publish around this day wrong
this time, because I know he has that. The AI today. I know. I
think that's mL mL mL that fit into the AI. All right. Okay,
good. Well done overcast and a gold star gold star for Marco.
All right.
I would like to say that for I looked for the podcast index
aggregator and it didn't show up on the list.
We have podcast In
this right you know how many times we hold hands in 12 hours
00 times.
All right. Okay, so zero it's overcast with 214 which is very
low
luminary that 424.
Can luminary even even play my podcast?
I don't even know what I didn't even know. eliminare was an app.
I thought it was a production company.
Maybe nearing the probably stealing my content. Okay, next.
putting ads in there. So I'm gonna, I'm gonna throw cast
ematic out of this list, because Casta Matic is owned as on
device. So they have no choice. He has no choice, they have to
do it this way. It's on device. So there's no central server
polling. It's just like, whenever somebody opens the app,
he's got a check. Franco a go a pass.
But hold on a second. How does that work? Then? In the future?
Will apps be able to just access pod ping? Or is not the way it
should be done? Just go and say what's updated? Look at? I mean,
how will that run in the future? If it's on device? If you have
no central server? Getting you can't use pod ping?
Now, I think we're we're working on that that is that's gonna be
that's gonna be a future phase. Is this is to make is to make
this accessible, easy, more easily accessible to the, to the
apps where they don't have to have servers. For now, they're,
they're stuck. Okay, we're getting we're getting we're
getting there that we're gonna there's a bunch of browsers and
stuff in here that I have to just think these are fake.
Because it's just like browser, like, I mean, is Mozilla. I
mean, it's Firefox checking you 3000 tosses can't be right. It
has to be like fake scrapers or something.
Maybe I don't know.
But okay, so that's, that's the that's the the list there of
people of how many times people pull you. But then you have this
is this is just sort of a side thing. You know, that overcast
does this interesting thing, where he puts in the user agent,
how many subscribers your feed has? Hmm. So in his user agent,
there's a in parentheses, it says, X number of subscribers.
So you can find out how many people are following you on
overcast by just looking at the FA user agent. And so
what does that say for me? Did you did you find how many
subscribers I have
7786. And only
14 accesses interesting. So just doing it smartly? Yeah.
So now there's 707 8707 or 86? No, Jenna subscribers on
overcast. And if you look at pretty much every stat chart,
you can find bus routes a good representative. It's all
overcast always appears to be about 1% of the total. How about
that? About 800? Yeah,
that kind of is what we've been thinking. Right? Right. Like a
million a million and a half per week. I think it's what we came
up with about seven 800,000 subscribers. Wow. Cool. Podcast.
That still is a meaningless number by the way.
Go podcast. Go podcast. I feel good about myself. I love one
day when when James Cridland says my law that's a big podcast
that no agenda that's big podcasts. That's right. That's
right. Look at my big one over here.
This this you know what? This brings up a separate thing
though.
You haven't finished the list? You haven't finished? We
haven't? I did. Okay, then after that. So then it's a
podcast. Everything else was just a an estrus cast, and then
it's
into antenna pod. And what was the worst podcast?
Podcast addict? Yeah. Wow. But you know,
but where's apple? I don't understand. Where's apple in
this where Spotify? They no one on Apple listens to my show?
Well, you
mean your show shows up late on Apple anyway? And maybe because
they're not taking the mainframe much.
Do they show up at all in the list of checking the feed?
I'm not seeing anything on here that shows apple. So this was
before you publish? Yeah.
I don't I don't know. This must be all on device.
I don't know. I don't know.
If I can't shame apple. What's the point of my list?
Okay, I'll come back next week with a new list that has apple
firmly at the top.
Thank you. That's the way lists are made when we do PR. Okay.
Good work. Good work, Dave. Thank you.
Well, I don't I don't work for Brookings. So I didn't know what
my marching orders were in advance. I brought real data not
not data. They said what I wanted to,
I want to remind people that there is a, this ties into your
stats. There's a value for value dot info if you're looking to
explain what value for value is value for value dot info, and
that was that's a project that Gigi and I have been working on.
It's it's a work in progress. And it was kind of fun, because
he has in there, how many, he has an updated stat of how many
value enabled podcasts there are. And, of course, we update
everything through the GitHub just to make it really, really
like really cool, man, like, update on the GitHub. Hey, my
PRs ready GG. And all of a sudden I see him with a PR and
it's it's he's now he has a bot that is automatically updating
the count. And he's pulling from the new our stats.
Oh, oh, that yeah, the new package. Yeah.
Because all sudden, I saw the JSON pop up in in the GitHub,
like, oh, that's where he's getting it from now. Cool.
That's good. That's a good way to do it. Because that's it.
Whenever you see somebody know nothing about our the length of
the programming language. Whenever you see somebody do
doing work in art, you're like, Oh, that's it. That's a data
scientist.
Yeah. Huh. Sexy. You can just you can just use that if you
like hanging out at the cafeteria at MIT. Oh, yeah. Oh,
for sure. If I could find someone an associate to work
with the on my our stats package.
Every year, you just need a t shirt. Or someone
who's single and can work late nights.
The is, you know, one thing that this is not a prediction. Is it?
No, it's not a prediction. Or a B? Can we just say that? This
has been a bad year for IB in general. Because I hate these
maybe download things suck.
Oh, if? Yeah, we can
Dalvik the Dalvik thing with?
Yep, prove once again, after 18 years, we do not have a business
model people. You don't have something that is reliable. We
don't have a model
where everybody to the story behind the Dalvik Samsung thing
was that, you know, oh, it was a bug in Samsung. In Samsung's
player. But the it was only vaguely mentioned that on a
couple of times. On a couple of podcasts. I heard that these
were again, again, these were all IAB compliant downloads.
Every one of them every time one of these things happens where
you have the game ad podcast in place and in the buggy Samsung
app in the you know, the buggy. Apple app. It's always a be
compliant downloads, these numbers are complete trash.
I want to Okay, yes. And, and I can even you know, the stuff
that Spurlock is doing is in that regard, great because you
know, the Opie three playground is that's totally going to
discredit and ruin everything that has ever existed in
advertising. And it is, for podcasts. It's an immeasurable
thing, it you should, you should give in go value for value value
for value dot info. And, and I will, I'm not stupid. And I've
been in media all of my life, you just heard we have about
800,000 people subscribing. If I could make shitloads of money
and not have to care at all, by running ads? I would. But what I
get out of the value for value for 15 years is better. That you
can quantify that however you want. For sure. 25% of it is I
don't have to have a single meeting within a hole about what
I said or how I read the copy. Or could you back off on that?
Or could you punch that up a bit? And could you just mention
that instead of this? I don't have to do that.
So that's worth it late is worth at least 50 grand right there.
I'm just saying is 25% of the of the joy that I don't but I had a
lot of meetings. So I mean, newbies, you still might like
meetings and think you're important, but you're not
me. That is something I've also learned about during the
podcasting 2.0
Well, you've become a podcast or you you are a podcaster and you
understand now how it all fits together and how it works. I
mean, you you grasp that with two hands.
And one thing I've clearly learned is that meetings make
you feel great for about five minutes and then you realize
that nobody's ever going to do what they promised you they're
going to do in a meeting Yeah, exactly. It's like it's just all
it's like, oh, man, this is great that you know, it sounds
like there's really some momentum here six months later,
nothing.
Oh, yeah, I forgot on one other prediction in that vein, I
predict cross app comments will not happen in 2023. That's my
prediction. It's my prediction. Something else will happen. But
it's not happening. I can see no one's doing it.
I don't know if I'm getting and don't know if I'm going to join
on board with this prediction. This This seems
this is my reverse psychology prediction. Oh,
okay. Yeah. Of course, I should have known this. This is you
this is you baiting developers and doing what you want?
Yeah. Now developers either do it or they don't. And whatever
reason, even with the I thought you were right, I thought the
mastodon influx, you know, people are now interacting.
They're enjoying it. There's, you know, there's, there's a lot
of LARPers and Ron, but you know, there's, there's
definitely got heat, you know, to be able to say, hey, we now
integrate now, the comments, they, you know, comments in our
app show up and other apps show up on your Mastodon, you can
follow it from your instance, I can write the marketing plan in
three seconds for you. But I know it's hard to it's hard to
develop stuff. And people, you know, developers that develop
what they want to what they're interested in. They don't do it
because they have to, it's because what they're interested
in. And so if there's no interest, I know that just shut
up and barking up a tree with no no bird in it. No cat, no cat in
the tree. I get I'll get to you. They're not lazy. They're all
working on their stuff that they want you work on what you want
to work on. Right?
Yeah. Yeah, you know what I'm working on right now. The 100%,
retro, dynamic feed
they see in this, I love you so much. I know all I have to do is
my my theory with developers, is all I have to do is I have to
deliver the data, the content, the feed, if I can just keep
delivering and I deliver a cross app comments on four shows
800,000 subscribers who could potentially participate in cross
app comments? Yeah,
maybe it's a driver would and will no, absolutely would do it.
And oh, and by the way, I just want to say yesterday, I hit up
John C. Dvorak and said, Hey, tomorrow I want to demo our bit
Bitcoin to dollar interface.
Ooh, is that is it how is that like ready to go? It's working
with key send?
No, it's no not yet. It's working with right now you can
just pay with a with a with a wallet. The point is, it goes
into no agendas account through ibex, IB e x, who built us and
it goes with automatic overnight bank transfer in dollars it
arrives in your bank account, which was a prerequisite to
receive Bitcoin from people for my partner and we have 100% veto
on each side. So no, no Bitcoin touches the LLC. Okay, so we
figured that out. The only thing that touches the LLC is the
dollar payment. And he's like, oh, cool, I can't wait to see
it. And he has everything I wanted him to have like he can
make a little link with a pre filled out amount or an open
amount or you can drop into his newsletter. So it's like a drop
in replacement for Pay Pal. And once that's working, which will
probably start promoting in a week or two or maybe as of
January 1, then Ibex will add the key send functionality
because now they basically have to add that to their wood,
whatever whatever sitting on top of their node, you know, because
they're 100% custodial solution and then I would just be able to
pop that in as a as a value ID for in the value block of the no
agenda podcast
that yeah, so are you but more importantly more importantly
tomorrow is that there is I mean a Sunday is that going to be the
with the key send no no with the keys in both the other with the
standard donation stuff
probably not I'm gonna say this he's gonna want to play around
with it and we got to get the back end there's an export and
everyone has to get you know there's a process but we have we
have we keep adding different ways you get turned the ship
Yeah, well, you gotta add this to the ship it's like these
little lifeboat that's coming alongside we gotta get these
guys on board. And but then we can actively promote my my
thinking is I want to promote the splits. So I want to promote
the and make sure that artists know that they need to get
themselves a wallet somewhere and I will probably eat So you
can use the existing wallet and the podcast app you have or you
might want to use the Alby or breeze or whatever. So we can,
you know, there's a lot of people listening, maybe a couple
will, will stick with you. Take advantage of it. People
help. I'm trying to.
Everyone wants to know, how can I market my stuff? Hello,
I've got there's this there's a, there's a fleeting thought that
is going through my head right now. It's, it's got something to
do with combining the motivate. Okay, the cross app comments?
The I think this is suffering from a lack of narcissism. And
this is not a criticism, criticism. Exactly. 100%. The
same way? The the motive, the primary motivation for boosting
is that you get to hear yourself in the show. I mean, let's just,
I mean, that's that's 90% of it.
No, no, I disagree. For boosting or booster gram
or the histogram histogram, histograms,
I can I would not I will not agree with with that percentage.
For some people. Yes. For some people, it doesn't matter. It's
going to be different. I like to boost high so a guaranteed My
my, my message will be read. But that's not because I want to
hear myself. It's like I want to criticize, usually pod pod news.
Yes, I sent 25,000 SATs like hey, I'm criticizing you. Please
read this. That's silly. It's not always that. People. It's
not that you want to hear yourself, it's you want. Let me
try to clarify a little bit. Let me let me be less informal with
my with my language. As for me, I sent booster grams to shows in
order to provoke a discussion point that I'm interested in.
Oh, okay. Valid, same, same idea. It's not it's not the you
don't need to hear your voice though. You don't need to hear
your name. You just want to write get you want to be part of
the show.
Right? I want to be part of the shows. Yes. Thank you be a part
of the show. I was like, I hear a thing. And I'm like, Oh, I
have this thought about that thing. I'm going to entice the
host of the show to discuss this thing that I've my thoughts by
giving them money. Yeah, that's, that's valid. Sure. And it's a
very enticing way to do. So. He that mechanism does not exist
with cross app comments. Cross app comments, has no guarantee
of a feedback mechanism in the same way. So here, this this is
my thinking goes that if we can combine the two and I'm not
talking about lightening comments, I'm not saying if
somehow you can have this is sort of like Super Chat. All
right. Okay, this is coming together. This isn't making more
sense. Now. If you're in a super channels, let somebody on
YouTube. You see all of those, you see the paid stuff and the
non paid stuff in the same section. And that's what we're
lacking here. The booster Graham's go to one place, the
the cross app comments live in a different place. If they were co
mingled together, then you would you may have more enticement to
cross app comment, because you have the booster grams that are
starting the conversation or drive, they're driving the
conversation. They're driving the comments section. And then
other people pipe in to reply, but they don't have to pay.
They're just replying to the comment. So I guess my thought
is some sort of gateway, where you could have a site where you
can have a cross app, like maybe you put something in your split,
and what you put in your split is a gateway, that where when a
booster Graham goes to that it gets converted to an activity
pub, cross F comment and post it to the route post. And that is
like it's, it's it's seeding the cross app comment, thread, and
key and starting it, it's like lighting the fire so that other
people have things to respond to.
Alright, so I'm gonna disagree with you on a little bit of the
theory. I understand what you're saying. But super chats are, as
far as I know only really used in live environments. And, and
not on just a podcast that Uh, that has two different levels of
comments. But you, you have made me think a little bit and
success. Yeah, I think that what you have successfully done has
taken me off cross app comments altogether, I there's probably
and even what to who said this ice cube soup? Cross app
comments will succeed as soon as there's sufficient desire for
users to quarrel with each other. You know, that's true. I
look at the lightning comments on on fountain Aina what I see,
it's all except for mine, it's all positive. It's all like,
Hey, this is cool. You know, and people were responding that, you
know, the reply function is pretty decent. You can you can
boost someone a little bit? Who, who's who posted a comment, I
have to say, I check that out after every show that I do,
where it's enabled. And, and, and there's real interaction,
and people are sending the show money, and all the other stuff,
you know, it is probably more noise than signal. And, and
it's, it's not. And I think honestly, the fact that it that
it doesn't have a lightning payment component is probably
subconsciously, possibly a reason why developers are less
interested in in doing it. Because you know, it's just more
hassle in your life, the way I see it, Okay, I gotta develop
this thing got to put it all in, you know, gotta go through the
whole cycle, I'm not really getting anything out of it. And
probably what I will get is people bitching and moaning at
each other wanting comments to be removed or whatever have to
explain it. And only a small piece of my app will show that
they won't show up everywhere. And there's not consistent. I
mean, I've we've been doing this for two and a half years, and
I've pretty much heard at all, I don't think it's going to
happen. And I would much rather go with something like the
lightning comments if we could make it work everywhere. Because
it's working when something it's the hardest thing when
something's working. Now, we're not pursuing this one. It's
working. But we're not pursuing it. And it kind of fills the
void. I'm sad. But I'd like to move forward with something.
Is this not the end result that I was going? No, I
know, I know it is. But I'm saying this with love for the
idea, obviously.
But okay, here. You know, as I sent you in signal this morning,
I sent you a link to an article. Yeah. And you screenshot it back
to me the first column LOL LOL look at the first comment that
was not a paid comment. No, I know. I know. It was often
oftentimes in YouTube videos and such, you go in there and you
look at the video, and you get a good chuckle out of the first
few comments that are funny, right? Like didn't you look if
you if you make it, if you make it all if it's pay to play you
lose, potentially lose good content
also, I mean, I'm in full agreement with you
100% 100% 100% No, I mean agreeing with you, but I think
I'm just gonna stop focusing complaining whatever, I will not
stop making my route posts. So it will always be there when
anyone wants to pick it up. But I'm not going to ask beg talk
about it bitching moan that well that's my prediction. I'm not
going to talk about it anymore. If it if it happens I'll be
there and I'll be there to promote it and any apps directly
that support it until that until that moment I mean what I'll
where I want people to have a good experience
here's an ISO that perfectly there's a delivered a nice of
that period that perfectly encapsulate encapsulates this
but yes, I would presume it to this one okay, whatever.
Yep. Oh, I'm gonna I'm gonna have to build something. I'm
gonna have to write something. I can feel it already
build something write something. Oh, we yeah, we need you
programming.
That's what I mean. That's a learning right?
Don't Don't stop you're just you were you were so all jacked up
and doing the 100% of retro retro retro fi don't stop doing
that. I love that. I'm not gonna I don't believe in Hey, man. How
bad is it that we lost Christine McVie?
Oh bandit they
how much she was she wrote a lot of the song she wrote a lot of
those hits.
Okay, so this was about to ask her I thought that she was she
was there from the beginning right she was
she was asked to come in the band already existed when it
existed, I think and I happen to look this up when she married to
the bass player. Yeah, Lindsey Buckingham.
No debate. Now Lindsey Buckingham is a guitar player,
right? Yes, you're right. The I see
I thought Lindsey Buckingham and Stevie Nicks came in after the
fact.
You're right. Now let me see. I'm going to consult the book
knowledge here for a second, though, that's NEC when she was
in Chicken Shack.
Oh, yeah. This dynamic ban chicken.
That one. I think I know she was asked in let me see Fleetwood
Mac. She was a fan. She was touring with Chicken Shack. And
the two bands would often meet so she was asked if she was not
there from the beginning. Okay, she was asked to come but she
wrote a lot of songs.
Great for us. It's beautiful voice. beautiful voice.
Yeah, she kind of they have a list of the song she wrote. I
know that she wrote a lot of them.
Why did don't stop believing. Reminds you of Fleetwood Mac,
because it triggered don't stop thinking about tomorrow. Oh,
okay. I guess you would, which is is embedded in a weird way
because then I always think about the Clintons. And that
always creeps me out. Because that was that was that was Bill
Clinton's campaign. Song with Al Gore.
Is that the one where his brother George Clinton would
come up and start playing the sax. The saxophone on stage.
It's y'all
know, I don't know. Who knows. Now remember that? He did. That
whole sacks. vibe was creepy too. Of course. Yeah.
Anybody that plays the sax is a little creepy. I mean, let's
let's Can we just say that?
Oh, yeah, I mean, Kenny G top of the list. Creepy Zoids
Oh, yeah. He just stares at you. I don't like it.
You know, he has that perpetual thing where you can keep blowing
up. He doesn't have to breathe because you breathe through his
nose and he keeps he can keep keep blowing the SAS weird too.
Yeah. I mean, there's even the fact that you can do that as
weird Kenny G. Someone was someone once said to my partner,
Ron Bloom said, man, you're so good at business you'd like
you'd like Kenny G plays his saxophone. And Ron is also a
musician and it was not a good moment. Not a
good perpetual bloke very
good, very bad. I'm gonna just thank a couple of people who
have been boosting us live because I think it wants to in
the in the year end for end of the year end mood because we're
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partner's name? I can't remember. Sorry, you should know
it. I love how they just dive in on stuff that they don't know
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it out, man. They just get it done. It's inspiring a little
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My only request for pod verse is but I still have to reconnect my
Alby wallet. Like every day, it seems for some reason they fixed
a big one for me, which I really didn't make much of a deal of it
but you know, it's like oh, I set the alarm and this this
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drops, then you tap on the on the alert on your phone, it will
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episode at hand I am that was fixed. Real real happy about
that. The next thing that is high priority for me because I
don't use pod verse For for one of these reasons as often as I
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like if I listen to he's working on it though,
I'm sure if I if I'm listening to pod news, know someone who I
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use a different app because of that. Then we have 10,000 SATs
for Mitch Diego podcasts 10101 from hard hat Thank you very
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the only stats you're interested in or allows you to shame people
yes,
no, no, just anyone who I mean I hate them. No, I would like
okay, honestly, I want some statistics I can use to shame
apple and if possible Spotify I'll take a Google and Amazon.
What I don't want to do is I don't want to have to be shaming
an antenna pod. If podcast addicts you know that's like
they should fix that.
You need statistics that allow you to shame Spotify and Apple
if we're talking AI based statistics I can have those quit
like
we've already discredited them that
there's still there's still it's still the quote gold standard so
we're good to go we can we can we can get those going quick.
When did you pull the most recent booster grams because I
got something about up to three hours ago from Brees I got to do
you have those big numbers? In fact, I know do you have tone
record on your list?
I got I got double tone right.
Okay, you got tone wrecker? And I think that if you got don't
record we're good. We're good. Thank you all to these to these
early boosters you can boost us live. Please listen with curio
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exact same place where you get the podcast. And thanks to
sovereign feeds for making it all possible for me to create
all these feeds and all these triggers. And thank you Dave
again for taking hours off of my week hours literally hours off
of my week. That is incredibly valuable. I have a nice gift
coming for you for Christmas. Oh, well as after you shame me
by sending me a gift like fucking now I have to send them
a gift. We don't
exchange gifts in bag don't exchange now
of course I do. I feel like a heel. Like you're thinking of
me. A very thoughtful gift and like, Oh man, I gotta think
about my friend. I think I'm no
way I'm such a douche. What did I do?
Why did you why did you send me something really thoughtful
stuff that
we had this discussion with. With Melissa the other day she
were trying to devise a way that I could get a couple of gifts
for the guys that I work with. with it. But but you have to be
strategic in order to make it where they don't think they have
to give you one back. So it's like the dollar amount can be
too high can be too low. It can't believe she was like once
you just do a bottle of wine. She's like but But it can't be
like a real it can't be like a nice bottle of wine. And it's
got to be not a nice bottle of wine. And it also has to be
obviously not a nice bottle of wine. Like it's got to be
noticeably below the $15 mark, you know,
well. I'm very good at Christmas gratuities for people that we
work with and work with us around the house and you know
from the garbage guy to the postal. The postal worker we
don't say mailman we have a mail lady we call a postal worker.
And it's an eye there I like the postal people I really do. You
know, we have a but there's some guys like, you know, Tommy who
comes here and who really, you know, when we have any
landscaping to do like trees or whatever, you he makes enough
money off of me and I'm not gonna give him that we would
actually be insulting to give him money. So buy him a bottle
of like $50 weeks whiskey, you know, something that I liked,
that's good. And his assistant will get 50 bucks the same
thing. It's not about that. It's about the thought. And so you
actually put thought into that gift from me and I can't I can
never come back from that I can't recover. flattened. I have
something in mind for it. It's she couldn't get it there on
time before.
Okay, well, we'll do we'll we'll next day. I'm I actually dropped
a couple more gifts into the mail for people today. It if I'm
bad to do this, because I just want to if anybody gets a gift
from me, please don't think that you have to give that it's not
it's just not about that at all. You nobody has to give me
anything back. It's not. There's not necessary if you get
a gift from Dave, he's clearly shaming you. You're much less
than him.
Yes, yeah. It's all about my own personal superiority, complex,
dry
strive to be as good as Dave Jones. I do. I do. Yeah, you're
very, very, you're very nice, man. Very nice. Oh,
nations from PayPal.
There we go. This I got a couple of this is a value for value
proposition. If you're wondering if value for value works. We
never even submitted the show to to, to Apple. You know, we're
just working with our little community here. And all we said
is, hey, do you like what what this what this is about? Do you
like the value that we're providing? Now the mechanism is,
is the podcast which also takes effort to do? And people said
yes, we find it valuable and they support us. So it does work
as long as you have a quality product.
Jesse 100 think he thinks it's a quality product because he sent
us $10
A suggestion Thank you. This is pay pals. Right. These are we
haven't had any pals recently.
Oh, we will be we had a bunch last week. Not one off day. We
had the monthly subscriptions. Right, right. The and Jesse
didn't send a note but Michael olinger did and he said he sent
us $20 And he said, Thanks for the index and the mastodon
instance.
Ah, thanks, Derek. Welcome, Michael. Wish I had to upgrade
again. Oh,
no, we gotta we gotta slow that down.
Well, it's, you know, it's, I had to do that from my own
instance, as well. Because you know, the minute you start
following a lot more people and people are boosting, it's all
assets. It's all drive space. It's all bandwidth. And so we
just have to go we just go up to another level. Now that tear,
it's okay.
How hard is that guy? That mesto dot host How hard is his life
right now. He's, he's making money, but he's probably hair on
fire, like 24 hours a day. He seems to
be holding it together. I'm very proud of him. I think he's
German. And I set up a couple of different hosts now. He is sadly
you know, there's some people who wanted to set up a host with
like, an no agenda name in their domain name. And he refused them
and cut them off and said go away. You know, you we won't
have fascists and Nazis on my on my. Yes, yes. Yes. Yeah, because
no agenda social.com was flagged early on, literally as k k k
Nazi Cardrooms. Literally.
Can we just say that? Can we please. I've noticed a lot of
people on the left calling other people Nazis lately. We just say
that that roulette lessens the impact of actual Nazis. Yeah.
Can we calm that language down a little bit? You know, it's I
agree.
I agree it it truly is calling someone a Nazis, National
Socialists, so be careful. You know, the true Nazis were
lefties.
Yeah, because somebody likes you know, Trump or something like
that. It's a little bit different than, you know, baby
skin lampshades. And it's just
as journalists is journalists. Yeah. It's who use this these
Nazis. Oh, yeah.
I don't really get my hackles up about much of that. But that
when it feels like it crosses a line, I think that just needs to
kind of stop.
Well, once they went all Hitler with Trump. I mean, it was the
end of it. And that was seven years ago. It was seven years
ago. So it has no way over the line now. Hold on one second.
But did you see Trump's special announcement yesterday?
Somebody said, somebody sent me a thing is like it was it had to
do with playing cards or something.
He releases an NF T. Yeah. What the? I mean, I'm like, unless
this is a long, long troll, which will wind up showing us
how FTX and Sam bank win free you know, corruptly sent money
to politicians. This is a dumb idea.
Half the crap he does is a dumb idea. Um, so overhead. I mean,
this is this. This was really like this was this head
scratcher. That made sense.
I don't vote and I don't. And I don't
know why if you don't vote, you don't get to complain. Right? I
know what No, no,
if I don't vote then then I'm not responsible for either one
of them. So I get to complain.
Okay, George Carlin. Okay. Yeah, sure. Sure. Yeah, anyway, just
wanted to mention I thought, an NFT from anybody for anything at
this moment is dumb
is stupid. And that's just a long line of stupid decisions
that dude is make when the reason I said don't vote because
when, when, when he first came in, I remember having a lot at
least discussion when he first came in. I was like, Okay, I
mean, the guys. He's got a lot of baggage, but he might, you
know, it's always nice to see an outsider come in and you have
this, this potential for them to like, you know, shake it all up,
blow up the system, sort of. There's always that potential.
And like, that's, he's just completely he's blown all that
crap up. It's just not working. He needs to go away. That's my
personal opinion.
Okay. Since you don't vote, I don't care about your personal
opinion. matter. Doesn't matter.
But I do think Christmas gifts. Oh, no.
Your Christmas gifts are the best.
It's an NFT
NFT. Oh, goodness. Roi. scheinfeld
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Cache flush with cash.
Well, I'm just saying congratulations. That's not an
easy thing to do. Yeah, especially if you're not if
you're more kind of the nerd. And not really the you know,
yeah, it must hate doing that. I get you enjoys it.
I get to feel any of those two. He says his notice. Adam is on
fire today. That was last week.
My mouth was probably literally on fire last week.
He he messaged me this morning, I gotta figure out. I've got
work to do. On researching noster lots of people are
mentioning noster. And I've had a few. I've had a few
discussions with Alex about it. But I just I've got to figure
out there's so many protocols. This is the problem. It's just
like it's just, you know, every five minutes there's a new open
source protocol. It's exhausting.
I I've been hearing about nostre for quite a while. But I've been
hearing about a lot of things for quite a while, you know
matrix. Well, it was gonna be matrix matrix matrix. And then
it was not matrix and then it was well it's gonna be we're
going back to XMPP and it wasn't XMPP and then it's well it's not
for this not for that and this is enlightening is bad and
lightning is good and telegram. No.
No hole punch hole punch. Oh,
yeah. Hole Punch kids. Yeah, exactly. Well, it's still
working.
It's still working out. Alison. Good thing this morning. Do you
know it costs $200,000 to be on the on the like voting committee
for the matrix.
Well, hold us we're supposed running Foundation. And how do
we get in on that action? Close down that GitHub. Hey, you want
it? You want to vote with us?
Namespace $200,000 We should charge for the bit tube seal to
do a pull request. We'll charge 150 Yeah, the the tone wrecker
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index.org. Oh, yes, this was a fun. Not fun, not fun thing to
have to fix. His feed came through. And
I didn't know I didn't have enclosures, right?
No, it had to it had everything was right, except that it was
blowing up the aggregator was blowing up when it tried to
interpret the timezone in his pub date on his items, because
he was tagging them as Central European Standard Time, but
Central European standard time had already ended.
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deaths from some quack. We're we're completely out of our
depth too. But we enjoy the shows.
We're just here to keep the scissors sharp. That's all and
handout bandaids.
Yeah, I just gave my opinion about Trump, which is completely
uninformed and have no value to anybody. So that's it's open to
everybody. Brian,
we agree on the NFT part for sure.
Yeah. Brian at top tier audio 70. No one sets at the cast
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streaming option. But I think the ones in the industrial
complex who are most interested in pushing for streaming instead
of downloads actually want it to save a little own downloads that
might not be required, but mostly so that it's impossible
to skip ads? Ah,
nah, we forgot about that, didn't we? Yep. The whole the
whole. This is one of the reasons why downloads had to go
away is for the dynamic ad insertion to target people with
new ads at the right moment. I'm sure. I'm sure it had something
to do with it.
Yeah, and and because they want more accurate. They know
downloads are crap. They know that I be certified download
stuff is a big complete joke. And so they want accurate stats,
they think they can get that through streaming stats. And
that's also I think part of it. And it's just all it's just all
a big,
it's a quagmire that we just terrible. It's I mean, the thing
with television ratings is it's probably not much more
sophisticated. I mean, yeah, they have set top box data. But
a lot of it is still diary based. And it doesn't matter
because the cartel agrees on the number. You know, and it
behooves
everybody doesn't have to be accurate. It just has to be the
number. Yeah, as long as
it's the number every single time and it correlates with
whatever the number is.
Being seen big huge swings, then you're like, Okay, whoa, you
know,
and then they added the, you know, plus one, or the I think
plus 24. You know, they had plus number of days for people
watching it after the fact on DVRs. But in case you hadn't
noticed people that that model is not not working very well
either. And people are now starting to regret they're, you
know, taking the $4 cheaper option of Disney plus or Disney
probably I think Disney plus and getting the ads that people are
regretting this now. Netflix, it's a lot of ads.
We cancelled our Netflix, which don't even have it anymore.
We never watched it and I will tell you Yeah, then you
shouldn't use it at all.
Yeah, I'm not definitely not going back to ads. Ahlborn
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like
seems like stables legs isn't there but I don't know. No, I
don't actually see it yet. See? I know I know. Stephen bees are
working on something.
Steve visa chat he's got I'm sure can you tell me where man
just tell me where it's in the it's in there. No, but
I want Steven B to say here's the page because I'm looking at
it. And I've got the under shown under Show.
Comic Strip blogger 33,015 sets through fountain and he says
Dave and Adam, You are cordially requested to invite your
listenership to put a duck cooking into any web browser or
podcast app of choice. There in you will find a podcast about
artificial intelligence narrated by IMDb credited thespian
Gregory Forman keep it 100 Yo
are 100 Yeah, it's on the show info actually. Okay, show info.
He also says everybody send a nasty note to your app
developer. No, he
does not say that. No, he just did. He just posted in public
that we didn't even use my eyes my other ISO Damn it got a big
boost.
Where'd that come from?
It came from Windows week. I got a big boost.
If only they knew what it meant. They know. I'm very, I'm very
proud of what we've all done. I'm very proud of yet another
fantastic year of development and excitement. We have
invigorated the entire podcasting industry, we have put
the podcast industrial complex on notice, we're coming for
them. We're going to overtake their awards with our shaming
lists, our value for value, it's going to trump anything they
could ever make with advertising, we will crush you.
That was, yeah, that was that was like a Mel Gibson,
and also and also, I will not conform to saying follow. I will
not conform just because two thirds of the apps say it will
not conform. We were here before they were
this. I somehow knew that you were not going to go along with
this program.
Well, you know, I was I and actually, this brings me to
another thought. Would it make sense? So Apple has they they
say follow this podcast, which in our world is subscribed, so
you get episodes, and I think subscribe is an appropriate term
for what is actually happening. Even under the hood, it's called
subscribe, but okay, whatever. It's a subscription on. Web sub,
I mean, all this stuff. It's all subscribed. But so they actually
have subscriptions, which is why they need to change it. Is that
would it make sense for us to provide apple with a spot or
Apple podcasters? who produce feeds that go into Apple? Do you
have to do you have to also have your feed go be hosted with
Apple when you use their subscriptions? Or can you
surface those separately? Because I would say why don't we
have a spot where if if you're able to subscribe to a premium
show that you pay for through subscription on Apple? Why don't
we have that something that we can surface on other apps? Does
that make sense?
Are you talking about us? Like the namespace? Yeah. Yeah. Open
Yeah, open subscription is something that we've been sort
of trying to work out.
I just want to involve them because you know, they're not
really participating. But if how can we help them and show them
the way I know that they're secretly using the TX T tag?
Now? don't announce it. Please don't tell anybody you're doing
that big secrets. I want to give them more to us because they
clearly don't seem to like chapters or transcripts or
anything you know, they they hate they really hate people who
have hearing problems
with it. They just hate or bias I mean, they like
despise the earth by not using pod ping the despise deaf
people.
I mean, I guess I guess we
I don't know. Is it just too much pandering? Even for me?
Probably Okay, then. Nevermind. Let's Yeah, yeah, screw those
guys. In our relationship
with them is better when when we when we treat when we treat them
like douche. Douche it's the best way. It's the love. It's
this adversarial relationship that somehow produces beautiful
things.
It does actually. Yeah. And I liked the individual people
we've interacted with from Apple Of course. Of course. It's just
you know, how does how do they do things over there? Not Look,
I don't mind. Yeah, I don't mean that. But they could be so
legendary once again.
Decker. I love how you're saying the the literally the largest
company in the world. They could be legendary. If they only did
the things we wanted. Yes, exactly. In the funny, but I'm
laughing because I did I don't disagree. Exactly. Hey,
I'm no longer an Apple user of stuff. You know, I walked away
for a whole bunch of reasons.
If they embrace both podcasts and 2.0. Man, Apple could really
put their name on the map.
Yeah, right. You guys could be something someday, or yeah,
maybe even released your apple podcast app on Android. So you
know, so James Cridland will have nothing to talk about at
the end of next year.
Well, I mean, I just know that we have another 100,000 SATs
coming which is a good thing. Yeah, I haven't seen it. But
that was in the bag. Well, it's in the bag. We forgot monthlies.
Yes, Sir Alex gates the official podcast intrapreneur consultant
$25 David Norman of hyper catcher. $25 powers the powers
the back end of the show? Sure does. Tim Hutchins, my buddy $25
I'll see Oh, Paul Saltzman $22.22 Derek J. Vickery. Great
name $21. Terry Keller. $5. Soren Miller $5, Jeffery
Rutherford, $5, Jeremy Kevin all $10 Chris cow and $5 Daymond,
Cassie, Jack $15 and Jeremy gerdts $5. That's it.
Thank you all very much for your value for value contributions,
you're helping the entire podcast and 2.0 ecosystem,
keeping it running, keeping it alive in the most honest way we
know, which is without any venture capital, money, any type
of advertising or sponsors or corporate money, and a complete
vow of poverty from Adam and Dave, so we're happy to do that.
And thank you very much for supporting everything. Something
I had a fleeting thoughts, which I can't quite recall,
should have anything to do with transcripts, addition,
additional properties on the transcript tag for auto tagging,
when something is auto generated.
That's exactly what it was done. You heard a new voice. I kind of
liked I liked this idea that it was interesting. Whenever
Whenever I see James post, while I was talking to a company, I'm
like, Okay, what does the company want? And so what the
company wanted was some tagging of whether, I guess the accuracy
is mainly about the accuracy and about the not stealing and what
else?
That's, that's that seemed like it to me, because it all
revolved around the accuracy to keep people off your back in
case it misses a word. And did the licensing deal understand
the license part?
Well, the point is, I do because see, when you live fully value
for value, you don't care. Let me explain. We have always said
on no agenda, go ahead copy anything you want copy the show
distributed it put it on CDs, cassettes, this USB sticks, you
know, we had people may remember those little you could do a
little drop a drop box that were you know, you you could plug it
into a wall somewhere in a in a coffee shop and provide a
hotspot that would only have like a file available for
download.
And what was this little then you have the little
note said drops? Yeah, well, no agenda CDs, we had 10s of 1000s
of those. But also like to know agenda shop. It's like, hey,
just don't put our faces on it. Now, no agenda and any logos.
That's all fine. If you want to put curry DeVore I can No,
that's just us. But anything else? Go for it. We know have no
contract. They worked out stuff where the artists, they donate
from time to time, please take all of what we have derivative
works. Anything's okay. That's the full on. And that's, you
know, that is in the vein of RSS. It's all open. Here it is.
I'm putting it out there for you to render it.
Yes. Well, we do. Yes, what we do on the show, but when you
are suspicious of people benefiting? So I think what I
read into it was hey, if people show up and use our service, and
they get really good transcript, we don't want Google taking
those and using those for themselves.
That's, that's what I read. Yeah, that's
what I read. That's what I read. Yeah. Now it's almost like, the
next thing I expected was, we want to flag for DRM for
transcripts. I was kind
of kind of expecting that. brand safety. We want a brand safe.
Oh, yeah, we didn't. Oh, yeah, brand safety tag would not be
great. But
a Garm would put a Garm code in it or whatever. They
got the I think we should have an ESG tag. Let's just put it in
there. So we can just throw an ESG rating for this podcast. It
what's the scale? zero to five, five stars. zero to five is
completely arbitrary. Just like Uber you know. So everyone will
basically have three and a half stars. That's That's how it
always winds up.
You went up to four, five stars.
If you're listening to this podcast, please subscribe
wherever you get your podcasts and rate us five stars.
Now this is a great Oh, this is actually a great idea. This is a
really good idea because you you can rate it based on if you're
fake. This.
Got it. Oh, here we go. Here we go. Genius is coming.
So this guy is not Lex Friedman. Who's Tim Ferriss. Do you know
who? Tim Ferriss? Yes, of course. Okay. So his feed. I've
never listened to the show. I didn't realize that he had been
around long enough to have this much content. No. Yeah. But I've
just heard his name. This guy's got his his feed is 22
megabytes. Try. It's gigantic. Yeah. It bit like broke that
aggregated. We have a 24 bit of a 24 megabyte limit on what we
parse it And so it's like you know decompressed and all that
stuff after you've after it's all said and done it was like
tuned a little over 24 megabytes. And so I had to go
fix it, you know, because this is stupid. And then so like,
there you go, there's your issue here. ESG is like if you're Oh,
there he is. If it's more than five megabytes demerit, you get
a demerit is that if you if you don't use pod thing another
demerit yeah free Yes
yes. Now if you have no no wait a minute where are we surfacing
this
in the feed yesterday just right just right in the feed it's got
to be labeled clearly in podcast as right there over on top of
the show or nothing but a bunch of white guys on the on the on
the art you know, another demerit?
Oh man, massive demerit. That's right. Yeah. Now you're into
your to star show at this point. So bye. Bye, Felicia, you're
out.
I love this idea.
Oh, okay. Well, what a positive way to end our board meeting. We
are just, we're going to slam people for the ESG scores. And
both in your feed and in public. I'm so proud of us, Dave?
Is the TSG. The PSGs.
But seriously, great work on pod pink 2.0. I'm very excited about
this. How can I promote this? And how can we roll this out a
little further? And who are we targeting?
I wrote a blog post this week we can about the live the LIVE TAG
how to how to be live, how to be live. Yeah. And I, I mean,
that's the thing is we got to have more, we've got to have
more adoption on the hosting side to make this easier. Right,
that ace is hard to promote. If you can't, if the pieces aren't
there. I'm waiting for that first host to jump in and give
the soup to nuts.
Have the whole so what is needed? Is the live streaming
endpoint and chat room.
Do you mean you could don't really even have to have the
chat room you could do? You could go live just with the just
with the tag and a pod pain?
Yeah. Kind of cool. Yeah, sure. But we have the chat capability
in there, just
for sure. For sure is like I think we have to so this is this
is why I sort of stopped anything else for the moment and
started working on the 100% Retro feed. Because if if we can
get that thing working that's alive, beautiful demo of what's
possible.
Oh, and being able to Oh, yes. And they're ready. They're
ready. Like we can have Kim wild promoting our stuff.
Oh, nice. Yes, yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. So it's a great demo. And
we can have the end. It's like it's a demo of the full
complexity. Like it's not like this cheesy, simple sandbox demo
like that has the whole shebang in it. You know, it's got you
know, how you value boost you got, you know, the live thing we
could throw it you know, it's got the chat room. It's got
everything in it. For the full monty.
Yeah. And so and we'll have all all these different pieces
firing off in automatically based upon the like, when Kim
Wilde comes on. It'll be Kim wild Yeah, alive. 100%. Retro,
but yeah, but what I want is I want her reading booster grams.
For sure, but we'll make that happen. It's really an
interesting project. And I have to say for a couple of dudes
like us we do sing along with a lot of those songs when we're
listening to it.
It's the curse I have all my there's no more room in my head.
It's all song lyrics from 80s and 70s.
All that it is. Alright, brother. So we have now next is
let me see what is next week one just Christmas. Is it? Are we
doing a show on next Friday? I mean, a board meeting. Sorry.
I'll be here. Yeah.
I mean, I'll be here. I just want to see what is. Oh, it's
2030 Okay, perfect. No, perfect, perfect. And then after that.
It's a 30. So that's perfect that we get to skip anything.
Yeah, good. We
got Cridland on the 30th we're going to do we're going to do a
bash cred lunch. I mean, I mean an end of year show.
will be prepared. James. We're excited to have you on
none and now it'll be fun. Oh, we did I mean, we had to have a
mon just so we have like a you know some pretense in order to
collect your money?
Yes, exactly. Although I think I boosted five times that amount
just in the past month to their show. No easily. Become I'm
boosting last but I'm boosting big I'm going big. I'm boosting
big these days. I'm boosting big makes me feel Good. Yeah. I want
to hear my name on the podcast.
We don't have a guest for next week. I guess it's just the two
of us. We should have somebody on though. No, like it's it's
too close to Christmas. We get it as they share the love. Well,
let me let a little Christmas party.
Okay, let me think about let me think about who we can invite
for for Christmas. Just just our pre Christmas eggnog
that day I might have eggnog. Well, well, Russia.
Hey, how about a beef eggnog better. Alright, brother, have a
great weekend. Take care everybody. Thank you very much
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