Oh, podcasting 2.0 for December 23 2022, episode 114 Proto
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index dot social. I'm Adam curry here in the heart of the Texas
Hill Country and in Alabama, where the wind chill was at
minus three degrees Fahrenheit. Say hello to my friend on the
other end. Ladies and gentlemen, Mr. Dave Jones.
Oh is surviving the Siberian Express.
Yeah, so it's colder now where you are I think I think that the
storm moves a little bit away from us and towards you. Think
let me
let me investigate man.
Wait, man, I think no, I may have been a mid 18. Oh, I think
we have. Let me see what I have right now. Do I have 21 degrees?
Let me say
no. It's balmy,
balmy 21 in downtown Fredericksburg everywhere.
Yeah, it was 10 When I woke up this morning 10
degrees. I know it was crazy. Very very, very, very cool. And
of course our central RH back is not working properly.
Oh, of course. I mean, this You deserve this is the Tijuana
Tempest the Texas to Texas Yeah, y'all originate all this now. I
was needing aurka I need an ERCOT update. How's the grid,
the grid is holding a fight last night. We had four I'll have to
call them glitches because they were really like out and then it
was I mean, the the generators didn't kick in until 30 seconds
for this very reason. Because, you know, it may come back on
within 30 seconds. So you went out, come back on and of course
my everything's going down. Memories, everything needs to be
reset. Especially the Umbral nodes there one is really good
and comes back and everything's great and the other one which
runs on the surface laptop is not so great. What are the power
outage even though is the surface well always but it's a
boon to and the surface because it decided that when the power
goes off, it's on battery to save battery it should switch
off Wi Fi now Whoever heard of that,
you know because because if there's anything in a computer
that uses so tons of energy it's got to be Wi Fi I mean that
thing or that thing it'll make toast for you it's so much power
so I'm
like what is this I finally figured that out this morning
after the note had been off like has happened again I guess to to
this morning something went off but never long enough to to
actually kick in the generator which selfishly I kind of want
to see happen
if you don't mind you've got your it's like you get your you
got your bunker and you need to use the you need to use
nothing Yeah, I got a bunker and no atomic fallout in this isn't
bad can have this
debit there's real trauma in Texas from what happened last
year I mean, but but people are scared what was
about it was two years ago two years ago two years ago well I
had trauma that's why when we moved here right away I'm like
okay, I'm not going through that again. And and we got we got as
I was talking to Borik about he said no this is this is how it's
supposed to work you get the generator and then your power
never fails ever again.
This big middle finger from the universe. But what I did I sent
you a picture did you get this signal?
Oh, is it woof? Is that the ice on the outside of your window?
That is on the inside?
It looks like you live in a in the dungeon of a church is that
possible?
Yeah. Our house was built in 1892 So you can imagine the
level of insulation that's in this house
Oh my goodness. Can I put that in the show notes that's
hilarious.
Well so that the the we have we have a propane or natural gas
heater in in our living room area and the something about you
know I'm no I'm no chemist here but something about the
combustion of natural gas produces as a byproduct to
moisture like water vapor. Sure it's humidity and so it parks
this thing pumps out humidity which is actually kind of nice
because you know forced air gas furnaces are notoriously dry the
air out Yes, yes indeed even Santas prompt. So this thing is
it's humidifying the air as we as it warms us, but the side
effect is it condensates on the window on our single pane
windows dos Indane raises
hey could you please Could somebody please boost for Dave's
windows we need to get him double pane at least this is
this is
bad with that So that gas or that juice in there, the argon
or whatever it is,
oh, goodness, well, we've got lots of people pre boosting.
Very happy to hear those coming in. Hello, everybody. Welcome to
the board meeting, the Board meeting where we talk about
everything boring board board boarded, where we bore you.
Here's what I've been noticing end of year. And next, next
Friday, we have the final board meeting for the end of the year.
Right. And it was James joining us for that.
He is he will he will be joining us.
Good. cuz I'll get him ready. We'll Yes, he will. And that's a
good thing. Another thing is, and that's, that's, that's the
thing. That's a good thing. Well, the reason why I'm
interested is I have noticed at this end of year, which is very
odd, on some top top name podcast that I happen to listen
to. Victor Davis Hanson, which is actually Tina, listen to
that. So I listened through by by approximation by being around
her Megyn Kelly, which I do listen to from time to time. And
pivot, my hate Listen, all three of them.
What a trifecta right?
Now pivot without a doubt is a very popular podcast. There's no
denying that and Kara Swisher and Scott Galloway they've been
promoting the their show and lots of people talk about it.
Look, I listened to it, I hate listen to it, but listen to it.
They were taking ad breaks that were empty, all three of these
shows. They would literally go away. We'll be right back after
these ads. And you hear blue, blue, blue, blue, and then blue,
blue, blue, blue, then they come back. And then the show
continued. They are not there's no nothing to fill the inventory
on three arguably two top shows near the end of the year. What
is going on?
On the on the mastodons. Eve EVO piped in with the thing that
typically I typically hear this is almost always the response
when when this is brought up that there was empty ad slots.
That that, you know, you it's probably you because the ad
targeting programmatic engine is targeting whoever you are, by
whatever means they target you. And they ran in in you have run
out of impressions. So like, you know, they've already they've
determined by some way that they've already targeted you X
number of times and now you're not gonna get any more ads. I
don't believe I find
that very hard to believe that Unpivot are read by the hosts so
they are inserted later. It's dynamically inserted. But But
Kara does and these are top these are top name sponsors. I
mean, it's not automotive quite yet but it's recognizable brands
and they both read them. And they're I don't I find that very
hard to believe in. I found it very hard to believe too, until
I read the variety interview with Spotify exec Dawn Ostroff
have heard this name. And she is she comes from Hollywood. What
is she? What is her? What is her title again? Spotify is Chief
Content and advertising business officer.
Can I be that can it be that you are you are
right now the the completely in charge of our content and
business advertising. Congratulations. You can put
that on your
card. Dan Benjamin texted me this morning and said hey, your
mark your art like logo stuff in this GitHub. This sucks. You
know what? I was like? He's like, you don't have transparent
black backgrounds on your there's no press kit. I was like
Dan press kid. You've discovered that the widely known secret
that we're terrible at marketing or any of this. This is not
news. But up
stepping up. Dan Craig, get a press kit together for us,
please. Yeah, yeah. So until I got to this part. In the in this
interview, this is where it all came together. For me. Still,
Spotify so far hasn't seen a financial payback on the podcast
play. Oh, in 2021. The company's podcast business generated
nearly 200 million euros in revenue up 300% year over year.
But unfortunately, the CFO Paul Vogel said the at the investor
day presentation in June that the podcast segment had a
negative gross margin of 57 to minus 57%. losses. Losses weight
loss is projected to be even higher in 2022. Now Spotify
believes that Podcasts can achieve potential gross margins
of 40 to 50% within the next five years, which is 15% higher
than their gross market margin target for for music, and here
it is. Ostroff without commenting on specific podcast
financials, which they just don't do. It's so embarrassing,
apparently. Obviously, quote, obviously podcasting for us is
still a new business. It's still an investment business. What is
a billion dollar business? How can it still be an investment
business unless someone's full of shit? Let's continue and
looking to bulk up its ad revenue. Spotify continues to
pitch Madison Avenue on the unique attributes of its
listening platform, including its streaming ad insertion si as
AI technology. When Spotify first entered podcasting,
marketers had not embraced it as a general advertising medium. Is
that true? I thought we already had at least half a billion. The
company released Ostroff said the company recently
commissioned a study from neuro marketing firm neuro insight for
what Spotify said is the largest audio study of its kind,
according to their new
insights sounds like a CA. VC
MK ultra thin. In Q tel sponsored neuro insight study
which tracks you which track the brain activity of users to
measure engagement it's so bad at Spotify with advertising they
have to resort to some bullshit company which tracks brain
activity. No, no no no.
It's how brain waves
how many people heard the ad that's how advertising works.
We know we have to we know we can't downloads are not in a
good metric. No, we need brain waves alpha waves in the brain.
Like that's that's the next thing you plug into USB C to
your dad's
John's. German to Hillman. Oh, John Spurlock get ready. We're
expanding. Oh, p3 with brainwave activity. Get on Yeah,
you're not going to be driving it'd be self driving cars, you
just stick the Hillman on and you get targeted ads.
Meanwhile, Ostroff sees a quote huge opportunity to increase
engagement with podcast through through what could the solution
be it's always the same it's always the same I went through
the same thing when when podcast when advertising was not working
at pod show because it doesn't work. What What was the
solution? Video versions of the shows video yes, yes. Alex
Cooper, of course have called her daddy wants to do more video
Barstool Sports more videos guests, including Hailey Bieber
and Julia Fox recording Oh, Stauffer shows with video have
delivered twice the audience compared to those that are audio
only. I'm sorry. This article tells me that that advertising
in podcasting is no market. And I learned and I'd like anyone to
step forward and give me some real numbers. What give me some
real numbers, not the Spotify saying sorry. Yeah, we did 200
million euro. But you know, unfortunately, we lost. We lost
350 basically. So where is it? Where's this billion dollars?
I'm just I'm just gonna keep hammering on this until someone
comes clean. And that's why I can't wait for James next week.
That dance answer for your industry. This is The Billion
Dollar like if you look at the Magellan thing that comes out
every month which month which I do so that you don't have to
look at this crap in it every I never can add up more than about
25 million in ad spend ad spending Exactly. Across the top
and once you get below that top level, I mean it drops off like
a rock so the number 25 advertisers probably I mean that
you're that's low numbers.
So meanwhile, podcast bowel movement announced their first
round of speakers for podcast bowel movement, evolution this
podcast belma did I say that? I'm sorry, that must have been
something subliminal.
The hero is neuro and intelligence or whatever the way
All right, what was it
we have to find a logical in Euro insights? Let me just see.
Is it your neurological and now I have to find it when I was
in sippy Incipio insipid dose of neuro
insight. Yes. Neuro Insight's. Yes, that's a potential title.
Neuro has because we, because we all know how trustworthy fMRI
is. Yeah. Yeah, yeah.
So meanwhile, at the Podcast Movement, evolution speakers
have been announced. Let's see. Amy Wilson. And Margaret April's
is that her full name Amy Wilson Margaret April's of adolescent
media presents sell ads. Okay, so there's an ad person letter
named Angie Griffith. Let's see. Make a podcast that sells Okay.
Cameron Hendrix and John go forth a Magellan AI present
podcast advertising. Danielle does designare Corbett how to
stand out to potential sponsors and secure more lucrative brand
deals Dierdre chin of capture the three tactics high income
podcasters attribute to their shows how you can use them to
how you can make more money with ads. I mean, seriously, when
when we just give it up people, it's all ads. And I just I'm
just not seeing it
is exactly what you said. It's all pretty people selling
things. And then there's like this underbelly of just regular
old podcast hosting companies, meeting people and selling
podcast subscriptions.
And and so what was interesting I don't know if I don't know if
you saw this but we were or value for value was mentioned in
a Bitcoin magazine article.
I have a copy of Yes, right here.
Oh, you have the actual Bitcoin magazine?
No, no, I have a printed out Copy, print things.
And this was lightning. paywalls versus value for value asks,
where lightning powered micro 10 transaction paywall beats a
value for value Bitcoin asked a nuanced breakdown. Now nowhere
in the article did I see where lightning powered micro
transaction paywall actually beat value for value because I
don't think it exists.
Looking for the print where was the exhibit a I didn't see that
anywhere in here.
But but the the author who is will shul cop show cop makes a
good point. Let me see what is he doesn't say what he does.
It's a guest post anyway. So we'll he says, hey, you know
what, the thing that that doesn't work for everybody with
value for value is the ask, acknowledge, repeat, which is
exactly what you need. You need an ask now. He's, uh, he said,
I'm an author, I want people to pay for each page. And I'm
thinking, you know, if he says, there's no you can ask for, you
can ask for a donation if someone's reading page by page,
but how you can't acknowledge them. This is static content,
etc, etc, etc. And I just wanted to point out, the fallacy of
this article, is the author thinking that the apps you use
today for reading a book are appropriate for value for value,
they're not an excellent example of value for value was an
acknowledgement that does not require a new episode, or a new
book or a new magazine to be created, is a leaderboard, or
what's very effective is crowdfunding. What is great
about crowdfunding, you get to put a comment in Hey, everybody,
I love you. Here's my $100. That is the same. And then people can
comment, hey, that's a great donation, leaderboards,
comments, Tally coin, enables that these are all things that
can work in the Ask acknowledged repeat model. And all I know is
I just looked at our value for value. And maybe it's because
it's year end, but I see 555,555 sets from Dred Scott. Twice. I
say another 333,333 from Dred Scott all in the last hour. I
see one and a half million SATs from Arrow statica. I see
777,000. I mean, it's it's insane. The amount of SATs we're
getting for an ask and recognize and a repeat and acknowledgement
and repeat. So I don't know. I don't know what everyone's
doing. And I appreciate that the that people are at least
thinking about value for value. But man, they really are light
on going unreal. I mean, I think there's so many preconceived
notions, then people just haven't really tried it
properly.
As it I just have a fundamental disagreement that there's a
there's a difference between what what we conceive of a
paywall, and like, and maybe there's maybe that's not the
right way to describe it. What I'm trying to get at is, I have
a recent experience with with a subscription. I don't love I've
subscribed to the Peter Atea podcast and the reason so this
he he does it very well and it's, it's basically it's is
most of the way there to vie for V with but it's missing one is
missing two critical pieces, but it's It's most it's most of the
way there it's V four v inspired.
V four v adjacent. is V
four v adjacent. Yes. So, that didn't mean all of his main
episodes are free. With, with some, not ads, it's just more
like a bunch of asking for for you to subscribe so all that
stuff's gone in the end. But then there's these other
episodes that you get in the feed, where it's like, it's like
an Ask me anything, it's like an AMA, it's like a, I think it's
like a every two weeks or something like that. The AMA is
you don't get unless you subscribe. And but they but they
still drop the A, they dropped the first like five minutes of
the AMA just give you a little preview into the feed. And so
you're getting you get a full understanding, you know, by the
time that you hit the subscribe button, you know what you're
going to get once you get behind the paywall. I don't. So what
I'm trying to say is it's it's, it's V for V adjacent, because
you're getting the content, you're getting a full experience
of what that content is going to be. It's just not, although it
hasn't gone the extra step to say, here is all of it and you
can give me whatever you want. Because he's still he's limiting
himself to like 19 bucks a month or whatever. But the spirit of
what is is there is the only way this works. The end, that's
what's missing, I think in a lot of the these sort of constructs
is like okay, V for V versus pay wall. It's like the idea that
you when you say that the idea that you conjure up in your head
is okay, here's the here's the for V on one side where all the
content is free, there's no restrictions, there's no ads,
and then you just give me a donation. And then at verses,
you can't even read it or see it or hear it or anything until
after the fact you've already paid for it. And I don't think
like that. And I think that's a sort of a false, like a phony
mental model, because, well, I think what we're seeing is the
subscription model paywall model is moving more towards V for V
than PE, maybe people realize because that hard limit of you
can't even you cannot even sniff my content until you pay me up
front. That that's a tough one. That's a hard sell.
Well, he's the author. He's and by the way, I want to make sure
that he said very clearly my aim is not to attack anyone
personally, I'm using quotes, but my intent is to respectfully
challenge ideas. So we're not attacking him either. But what
he says is as a content creator, in my case, a writer, this
problem with the internet hits home. And he's talking about GGS
article, the freedom of value where he says, the problem with
the internet is that information wants to be free. And this is of
course, completely true. If you write something dynamite, it
will be copied and stolen. I don't steal content, I pay for
content as much as I can. But if I go to Bloomberg, and I'll see
your story, and it's and Bloomberg is super paywalled.
For me, I will search with the title of that story and I will
find an outfit that is apparently licensed the
Bloomberg article so I can read it there and I'll read it for
whatever basically from nothing but I'm not stealing it. Right
but information wants to be free. If it's really good. It'll
get copied and passed around see torrents see you know, whatever
you look at search for movies on podcasts index, if we haven't
started, we haven't cleaned it up today you can find so as a
content creator, He says in my case, a writer the problem with
the internet hits home, it's a lot of work to write good
content subjective, subjective, and I don't work for free. I
look to be compensated for my proof of work. As the Joker says
if you're good at something, never do it for free.
So whoever said any whoever said V for V was worrying we don't
work for free
give it this is so Exactly. He feels that if he is not charging
something for it, it is free. And what we say is no. Ask
people what it's really worth to them. People who find it
worthless are not going to pay anyway. They're not they're not
going to pay for it. The people who freeload, they're
freeloaders and all you can do is keep asking and shaming them
which is interestingly in our business, it will add value for
value where I started with with no agenda. The people who were
paying for it or found value in it and return value started
calling out the people themselves. I did not make up
the douchebag thing. This is this is something that that
people themselves made up about other people who they felt were
not pulling their weight on on the Wii for Wii donations. So As
many ways that that happened, but the 4% that do donate of
every single project, I would have to say, you probably
wouldn't get 4% Buying your great content, either of all the
people who come across it, it may even be less may even be 1%.
And then that 1% is funneled into one price, I believe that
you will always make less doing it that way.
That that's that's the way that. So that's the erroneous belief
that if you put a price on something, it keeps people, it
keeps people from getting it for free. Or if you put, if you put
a price on it, it keeps it makes it to where everybody has to
pay. But all you're doing is you're just low, you're your
art, you're artificially limiting, who can see your
content to people who would have never paid you anyway. Because
like, if somebody passes by, if, if you put it in physical goods
terms, if you set up a booth, and you have you have t shirts,
and you mark them at $15 a shirt, you're gonna have a
certain percentage of people that buy it, if you put it put,
if you move it up to 25, you're gonna have a smaller percentage,
or some other different percentage that buys it as the
price if the price does not get you. Like, it's it's a, it's no,
it's not a different mechanism. If I listen to your stuff, and
and then pay you after the fact, pay for it before the fact you
didn't get a bigger or larger audience because of that. You
just got a different amount of money because of that, right?
whatever that happens to be. That's, that's in the realm of
psychology of market psychology, I don't know, and neither
neither do they. If you put I mean, if if, if I put five bucks
on it, you may just say, Well, I've just dropped my
listenership by 78%. But you still haven't increased the
amount of people who would have paid you anyway? Correct. You're
not really not improving anything is what I'm trying to
say. Correct.
And when I reading through this article, they talk about the
empty X problem, which is the mental transaction paradox. The
most? Well, it's like, do so as like, Okay, I'm being asked to
pay for this. How much is it? Is it worth it for me? Do I want to
pay for this? The friction, it's friction. Exactly. And the
article says, Well, this, you have this friction either way.
It's just you're you're you're paying it at a different point.
And I say no, I say no, it's not. It's just it's entirely
different. You're saying what? Hey, was that did you like it?
Yeah. Okay, what was it worth to you? Do you want more? It's that
simple.
As we move the boot up, the boost button is right there in
the app?
Well, of course, you could have and you know, what we're about,
we're about to get a real world challenge, as I believe now,
I've seen it happen on GitHub. It looks like Al Albie is
setting up LSAT, which is something that you and I looked
at three years ago to do just this. And to add a second
payment option for well, it will be for podcasts, I believe, and
Brees is implementing this. And I think it'd be very interesting
to see
if this is going to be for like recurring subscriptions or
something.
Do you want to listen to his podcast? You have to pay? Yeah,
pay pay? Listen.
Yeah, well, that's gonna be in. If that's going to be an A B
test. We'll see. We'll see. We will see whether or not podcasts
that put themselves behind a pay for play versus play for pay.
We'll see what the results are. And I don't think though, I
think I think for big shows, if you if you get to a certain if
you get to a certain level, and I'm not going to I'm not going
to name what criteria that would be like like whether it's
audience size or audience, you know, commitment or, or niche
level or something like that. There's some level that you get
to where you could be considered a maybe a quote unquote, big
podcast. You have a lot of momentum there. At that level. I
don't know that there's going to be a whole lot of difference
between the number of people willing to pay, but there will
be in my I predict there will be a lot of difference in how much
money the Creator makes. The V for V will result in much more,
the high end Ceiling is much higher. Because you're not let
you're on artificially limiting. I could not pay Peter Atea more
money he just said $19. Right.
Exactly. That's it go away with your money. Yeah. Well, we'll
see. Well, it all remains to be seen. But when I see dystopia,
for instance, you know, I wanted to send some musician somewhere
where they could get set up value for value. I couldn't I
couldn't with a with a with a clear conscience and then to
dystopia, because when you hit dystopia, they're all about web
monetization and what is their other? What is the other thing?
I thought they had an ABI integration,
but they may want this but when you go to their website here we
go. Music podcasts, video, audio books, merch designed for
dreamers powered by your audience. Get started today.
Okay, so you go in one platform, and then it shows you all the
things you get the bandwidth, and it doesn't really tell me
how I'm going to make money. Let's see. So it already it's
like, I don't really understand it. For creatives, here we go.
podcasters. No, I want music. Sorry. podcasters. We know. So
already, I'm kind of lost here. music artists, here we go.
Perfect for artists, musicians. Pay per play right there. We
will pay two pennies for every true play. No need to calculate
how many streams or album plays we pay when it's played? Period?
No, I'm done.
Yeah, that. Okay, so that was an episode about this, because I
discussed it with these guys as they were building it. That that
was their original model that was meant to be sort of like the
Spotify, you know, David versus Goliath model. And their idea
was, you know, we're actually going to we're actually going to
pay you real meaningful money not not pennies out, you know,
out the pipe six months from now. And so that was the
original model they've been layered on to my knowledge, I'm
almost 100% Sure this is correct. They've layered on some
Alby integration. Now, for V V for V. That's the best recent
that's been within the last couple of months. So I think
what I think what you're seeing may just be, I don't think
you're seeing the full scope of what
oh, it's completely possible. But until it's there, I can't I
can't send an artist over here and say, Oh, value for value
over here. There's, there's no, there's no writing about it. So
that's just when they're ready for it. They'll
be brisket impressed.
They need a press kit and some transparent logos. I mean, come
on, together over there. I did. Someone did reach out to me that
I spoke to a long time ago. And it was the Oh goodness, what was
it called, I think was the Dutch outfit. And I met him at I met
this guy at I want to say South by Southwest, maybe 10 or 11
years ago. And how does it get his PhD? It's called What was
this thing called? It's some Free Music Archive. That's it.
The Free Music Archive and in that brings a band in the 10
years since since we met this thing has really grown up this
this Free Music Archive. And I was connected to him by Dave
from automatic.
Oh, okay,
who you know, we're still on their radar. Apparently.
Music archive.org is the name of this.
Yeah. And so they have Creative Commons licenses. And I haven't
looked at it too much what they're doing these days, but it
makes total sense. This could be this could be a great match.
This is a great this this was pretty cool.
I should put it in the show notes actually. Free Muse will
archive
that leads that leads to a discussion I know we want to
have which is about the 100% Retro chat stream. Yes. This was
a this was a fun. This is a fun project. And it was I mean it's
a little cheese, you know, just kind of but it was nice to take
a break from sort of
from pod ping the lower end work
and do something easy PHP and just all you know simple but you
know so what we have it's it's opened it up it's not a
beautiful script or anything but it's just you know, it's it's a
want
let's explain what this is. So we had so okay, there's a guy I
know in Neville in Belgium actually, I got in touch with
him a year ago. So a mutual friend I know this guy because
he's actually a booker of artists across the Benelux. So
he's, he's my age, you know and he's been around for a long time
he's booked all the basically anything that is a 6070s or 80s
or even 90s band he will book at festivals and do stuff and DJs
and whatever so that yeah, he's a he's a promoter, basically a
concert promoter Booker for clubs and big venues. And he's
been a looks Benelux? Yes. Well in Belgium, Netherlands
Luxembourg, Ben.
Okay, like that Texarkana.
But yes, yeah, the tri state area trashy? Yeah, it's like New
York, New Jersey, Connecticut. Idea, only much smaller. You
know, like half half the amount of people. So he was putting
together a radio station online. And at first it was called, was
it called something? It was like, tomorrow land or something
like it? Well, that's great. No, that's dumb.
And Disney World, and
I can't remember how it came up. And I don't make any money with
this guy. I'm not a paid advisor. I like him. I think
it's interesting project. And I don't want any work. I want to
not have to talk to him if I don't feel like it is the
easiest way and not working for you. But if I can find something
that will work for both of us, I'll set it up. So he's
streaming this thing. He's got a full on schedule. He's got
people doing it. I don't think they're live. One or two may
actually be live like some some of the morning shows. But a lot
of it is tracked. And it's you know, it rolls out automatically
like most of the radio stations you listen to, but it does have
a very specific music mix. And he has talent all across the
world to hit different time zones. And he has a whole
concept of how that works and listening to it. At my age. I
enjoy it. And we were listening to what we were talking about
Mott the Hoople, all the young dudes before we started the
show. So stuff like that, then, and somehow we came up with the
name 100%. Retro. And I say, well, let's put they they pay
their ASCAP, BMI, BMI stem, right, all of that stuff, they
pay for it. So it's all legit. And I said, Well, why don't we
put this stuff into, into value for value with with the lit tag,
and this was just when lit was starting to come together. And
so I set it up. And then, you know, when I showed him how I
was listening, and he saw in his Albea wallet, SATs come in, and
I was like, What is this? I said, Yeah. And he said, Wait a
minute, so I can show this to my investors and say, you know, we
have money coming in already. So yeah, absolutely. Not a lot but
and so he loved it. And then you and I start brainstorming and
then you come up with a with a generator that creates the feed
for them because I basically started created the first feed
did it and sovereign feeds that takes their their electronic
programming grid there guide as to who's on at what time, and
you create a new feed with a new lit tag whenever a new show
starts. And you're linking out to the art of the of the air
talent and little blurb and it works. And so I get a
notification, you know, maybe seven or eight a day, depending.
I'm waiting for the weekend because there's there's actually
one show that I really want to hear but I don't know when it
starts it's been leibrandt He's a friend of mine. He does
massive DJ mixes really really good stuff.
Oh, that guy? Yes. I saw his name in the list. Yeah,
so I'm excited for his trip. I think it's Saturdays so he'll
pop up and then I'll listen to it. And as we're looking at this
like Okay, now we really got something now and what he wants
to do you know, and we'll talk after after the holidays, is he
wants his his air talent to be soliciting booster grams. He
wants some reading booster grams. He wants the chat room,
all the stuff that we've talked about. And you basically took a
couple days and set most of it up.
Yeah, yeah, that's like that's, that's exactly right. So this,
what I wanted, this is called it the mega cron, because this is
like the, you know, cron job on steroids. Some things I learned
here. If they do a form of one of these midnight format, format
changes I'm going to I'm going to go and beat somebody with a
hammer. This this so the what what I wanted for this. Oh, also
Yeah, I agree with you. It's some of these I don't think some
of these DJs are actually they're
just like, well, like Kim Wilde. She just does. She tracks it in
the studio. Someone else puts it all together for I don't think
she's sitting there DJing live for sure.
Because it'll come on and be like, you know, they'll play of
track and they'll be like, big Steve Kelly on 100% retro and
then we'll play another track and and then we'll do that for
an hour and I never actually hear back Steve Kelly saying
anything? Oh, really? Okay, yeah, well,
maybe Steve Kelly wasn't there for this particular show that
does happen, or he didn't get his check.
I mean, maybe he's using the bathroom, I think
we really want. And they're not, they're not sending that
metadata where their feed yet, but I think that's what you want
you want to do it from that we get the metadata, the metadata
changes, you want to be able to say, Okay, this, this metadata
is this portion changes, I need to create a new feed and a new
tag with this. So that they, so they exhorts not on a schedule
that could change and would mean that we'd have to change. What
the script is doing is it's take it we, it's got a big scare,
it's got a big schedule, which is essentially a an associative
array. In the the array, the top level index of the array is the
day. So it's numbered, like day of week, like 1234567, in cron,
job numbering. And then the second level index of the array
is the hour that the show starts. And then the in then
within that index, there is a set of properties for that
script, then title, the show the description, who the DJ is their
bio, their image, blah, blah, blah, how and how long and the
duration, how long it lasts. This is pretty, pretty
straightforward. The longest amount of time was just taking
in building that huge schedule array instead, but in the reason
I did it that way. Like, because I think it's instructive because
this was meant to to open like, say this open, there's a repo in
the GitHub now, I think it's just called 100. Retro. What I
want is something very simple and easy to read for pretty much
any programmer to say, okay, here is how I can take, as long
as I have something that looks like this, like a schedule that
they will recognize the format of, then I can plug that into a
script that looks like this. And output, this feed that is going
to be podcasting
2.0 compatible, right, something that can be replicated somewhere
else.
Yes, it's going to have a lit it's going to have all the live
item tags. It it takes the current at that you run into the
top of every hour, it looks and sees, okay, what is the
currently playing show, and throws in a live item for that
with lifestyle with status equals alive. And then it just
runs through the next five shows in the in the schedule index and
adds those as pending, with start and end times. That's,
that's all it does. It just runs once in once an hour. And if
there if there is no show that hour, then it just doesn't do
anything. So then it builds the coffee. It builds the feed,
pushes it up to object storage, our feeds dot podcast, index.org
bucket, and then sends out of pod ping. Beautiful. So that
it's got oh gosh, a bunch of a bunch of 2.0 tags us a medium
live item. Location, person. Gu ID. It's got a march I listed
them all out. So this you could take in you could say because of
the Locate like the location tag goes in there, and you in the
location for since it's a global radio station location tag,
there's one lady in South Africa, I think there's someone
there's other whole city. Yeah.
And then you there's a guy in Australia like you could, you
could slice and dice this all kinds of ways. If you're a
podcast app, you can you could say, okay, if I'm, if I'm a
podcast app that wants to have like, really good, robust
support for radio streams, then I could say,
that's why I haven't seen it. Okay. But,
you know, it would be silly to say that. It'd be silly to say
that radio stations haven't been doing podcasting because they
they have, except they haven't been able to be full
participants because of they've got all these licensing issues.
You can't create correct downloadable episode of a bunch
of songs. Correct. So this is a way to get it to get radio, the
radio industry to be a first class citizen within podcasting
by bringing the live item to them, this is something they can
use. They can now they can now be in a podcast app as a as a
legitimate thing. Because they have the thing that they need
now, right. And it's also musics, you know, it can be
music centric, it emerges music into podcasting in a natural
way, which is the radio way? I guess I'm I'm fond of things
like this when you say, okay, hey radio is time to get on
board with podcasting, like in a legit way. And here's how you
can do it. I'm really fond of these things like where you
build a protocol or technology that allows people to come into
podcasting or whatever this this this space that you're working
in, without having to like do a total upheaval of everything
they know, right? Like, you're lowering the bar, the barrier to
entry.
It's interesting, you bring that up because they the 100%, retro,
had someone working on an app, and I think they have an app.
I'm not sure where it's available. But know, what
basically comes back to me is so we spend all this time and
effort on an app. And you're telling me that we automatically
are now available in all apps already? Yes, yeah. Yes.
Correct. That is pretty much it, right. And so unless you want to
stay in radio, like this is our you know, where you want to keep
everybody and lock them in, which I don't think is a great
future, then, you know, with your own app, so it's only and
we even have the Wii, and although not quite sure how
it'll work. But comments are the social interact, which, which
Alex gates correctly pointed out. So what exactly how exactly
does that work? Because the way it's set up right now, if I make
a comment, it's it's a comment to something to a piece of media
that doesn't exist. It's just a comment thread from a certain
point in time. Is that does that sound right?
Yeah. And I see the I definitely see the issue there that you're
you're basically commenting on what he called an ephemeral
item.
Yeah, that just disappears.
Yeah. And then I know, I get it, I totally get that. It's more
like just a, it's an x, it's a way to show what's possible, I
really just did that as more of a tech demo of here's, because I
don't know what the future is going to look like when it comes
to this kind of cross pollinates with this other. I don't know if
it's a push or more of just an exploration of ideas of Mitch
was the last one to mention it. But it's been mentioned before
by by Christian Decker and other people in the lightning side is
splitting out the messages from the payments. That your so that
your booster grounds are going over activity pub or XMPP or
nostril. Reuters. Right. But then, but then the actual
payments taking place on line nine running and then you do
it's, it's a way to sort of split the data from the payment,
which is,
which is not a bad idea. It's not a bad idea. As long as
it's Yeah, go ahead. Well, well, the there's pros and cons there.
And the the Pro is you have unlimited space. Now, it's not
really about Unlimited, unlimited space, it's about the
fact that within a booster gram, you don't know how much space
you have, at any given time because the onion size changes,
right? So you could be working with 1300 Bytes one minute, and
then you know, it
could be 1100 In the next Yeah, just just because the routing of
the payment. Yeah. So it has it has to be short no matter what.
It's certainly not a really efficient way of using the
Lightning Network.
It's not the only you know, the cons are the constant splitting
them in these aren't you can't discount these. And this, this
goes back again to lowering the barrier of entry. It's common,
now you're adding some complexity. You split. It may
not be ideal, but I'm not sure we would even have booster grams
yet. If we had set out to do it that way. I
completely agree. 100%.
Because if you're saying if you're saying okay, you need an
AP, you got to have AP, you got an activity pub over here. And
then you're gonna have to have Lightning Lightning payments
over here. And now you're gonna have to have a payment, a proof
of payment mechanism that goes between the two. Like, I think
that that is an aspirational goal and an important one that
that needs to happen, but it could not have happened at the
beginning. I don't think it would have gone I don't think it
would have
I agree and ground. In fact, let's let's remember the Genesis
was Sphinx, the Sphinx app. And they they were doing boosts or
boosts and did the booster gram come while we were taught that
what did they have that already or do we know I think I think
was built into their system, they were already using the TLV
for just for chat pieces. Right? So you, yeah, you would the TLV
carried the short message, I think
you're right in the TLV. In the TLVs. Registry, there is a
sphinx registration in there for payment information, like
there's a TLV already, so they just switched it. Okay. I mean,
like, here's, here's the way that it looks to me is you need
more. You need more interested parties pushing the in the same
direction, in order to go from the level we're at now to the
next level. And that's another reason, you know, I mean,
bringing it back to the radio thing yet again. There are once
once we get to a certain level of momentum, you know, maybe
radios, maybe radio stations begin to come into this party, I
don't know. Once we get to a certain level of momentum, then
you can say, okay, at some point when it makes sense, and you
have a lot of people that are saying that are saying, we're
willing, you know, we want to push us back forward, then we
can say, okay, v2. Now, now we have like all these people
willing to get on board and push, push this push a new spec,
a new flavor forward. And, to me, that feels like the right
thing to do. Because, unfortunately, the Tech Tech
doesn't exist in a vacuum. You know, I've said before, you
know, half of our half of the stuff I do is not even it has
nothing to do with code or anything. It's like, responding
to people's emails responding to like helping having a phone call
with a hosting company. It's like evangelism. Yeah. It's 50%.
Tech and 50%. Evangelism, and you can't, like if you just
projects die when they don't do the evangelism part, when they
don't work with people and that kind of stuff. So if we have, it
doesn't matter how good the tech is, you have to sort of meet
people where they're at. And then I feel like that's the way
forward because I want I want to get that part done. But I feel
like we need some more. I don't know there's some there's a
missing piece here that we needed. There's not a missing
piece. But there's there's missing parties here. Because
the lightning people there. They're not interested enough.
We're having to do all this crap ourselves.
Oh, no, they're not interested in micro payments. They're not
at all at all at all. They don't care at all. That's frustrating.
They don't actually most lightning people also don't care
about value for value is my experience. They really want
transactions fast. Lots of them got big enough numbers that they
that it makes sense for them. I don't see any real from that.
When you say the lightning folks. I mean, like lightning
labs specifically. They don't care.
Yeah, they told us, they told us flat out on a phone call one day
just just do bigger payments, get
bigger payments, if you want it to work. We're like no, not the
way this works, actually. And so of course, when we get a big
payment, this is what we learned from Arrow statica, who boosted
2 million SATs on the last show from from fountain fountain only
had a 2 million sat channel with us. Which was you know, was 1.8
million was on our side already. So yeah, that's gonna fail. And
so we didn't we didn't get it. We couldn't announce it.
Luckily, the two people we had in our in our splits got, they
got their their portion, which was great. But there yet there's
an interesting reverse of the whole problem where we've been
focused on micro payments, just making it all work, very small
payments, you know, with the fees and everything to keep that
kind of flowing. Someone comes along with a reasonable sized
payment and we fall down. And it didn't get to us through any
other means either because we got lots of incoming liquidity,
but it just didn't get to us. So you know,
what, a two amp amp is going to solve everything. Yeah, and
Bolt 12 Bolt. Like I keep seeing Bolt 12 github messages so
they're working on it. I don't know if that'll ever happen.
I've been doing on the cross app comments from I've been spent
some time researching noster
da I had this on my on my list last I wanted to pop it to
surprise you with it. I've been spending some time on Nastar
myself. Okay,
let's let's do it last then let's get let's do it. Let's
suppose we get other stuff talking about
All right, then let's process comments because it leads into
it. Right? Yes, I had I had an experience which I wanted to
relay.
Yes, please relay.
So a lot of things happened since we were last talking about
this. And one of the things that came back to me when I'm I'm
planning I'm saying giving up. We're publishing social interact
tags, which is quote unquote, cross app comments on every show
I do. And what came back to me was, well, you know, what you're
using on podcasting. 2.0 is broken you using the slug, it
never should have been used, even though I was told
specifically to use it. And so that delta is basically holding
it wrong. Yes, it's exactly what I felt like, Okay, I'm holding
it wrong. I'm sorry. And that wasn't malice on anyone's part.
But I understand how these things work, which is why I was
I was kind of saying, Hey, I'm just gonna give up. I'll keep
publishing the content. But I don't, I'm not I'm getting tired
of asking for someone to implement it. And then it's
like, well, it's all kind of there. You know, it's you just
can't, you can't log in from an app. And so I let me go try
this. And I know that Caitlin is like me, he's putting his social
interact, tags him. And so I on pod news. I on pod verse, the
pod news, I go to go to comments, I tap on the comment
thinking that I shouldn't be, you know, that I maybe I'll have
to log into my instance, once. But no, here's the here's what
happens. You go to that particular post, which is the
route post,
okay, you're in, I'm in the meat. Let me make sure I'm
tracking. You're in pod verse.
I'm in pod verse. And I click on the post, and it opens that
post, I think in a browser in the app. I like it pops, like a
web view. The web G Correct. Okay. Okay. And there, I'm
greeted by, if you want to reply to this, you have to copy this
URL, go to your own site, search, put it into the search
box, then it will pop up, and then you can comment on it. And
this seems to be a thing. Whether you're in an app or not,
I don't see the problem. What's it what's wrong with this?
You don't see what's wrong with this. Every single. Okay, thank
you. It was a very bad experience,
you need to queue up that ISO, by the way, because I feel like
we're gonna have to use that a lot. I'm ready for do
you need it? Now? It's needed. Now. That's not entirely true.
That's a good one. It's not entirely true. I'm gonna use
this.
The. So I think why that is happening to you. And it would
make sense that it would happen on every mobile devices. Because
when you when you open up a web view from inside another app,
it's sandbox you don't have it doesn't inherit your cookie
collection and things like that. You're not logged in
correct. Make sense. But when I logged in on the same app, and I
did, and I went to my own site, I had to do the same thing.
Right row, I think I think you're gonna do Yeah, I think
you're gonna have that's going to be a problem. That's why the
cross app comment reply, activity, pub replies need to be
baked in to the app itself, and not a WebView. I don't think the
the WebView is not going to work is not going to work. It's not
good. It's
interesting that I'm the only person who actually tried this
apparently, I don't think a single person in our group has
ever actually tapped on a comment and tried to comment in
the app. And that was a huge letdown for me.
This that is not entirely true. This is this is the conundrum of
cross app comments, and I feel like cross F comments boils down
to one issue. That really ultimately there are there are
sub sub issues, but the one made major issue is it's not, it will
not gain traction until it becomes visible.
Yep. I agree. It's, it's completely hidden. The replies
are not showing up. Because I noticed that their replies I
find today I did see my reply. Interestingly, I guess James is
using the same route post, I'm not quite sure, because it
showed up on the new episode of pod news. And it was the comment
I put in two days ago. Regardless, there's two things
it's not showing up this is why the booster gram interaction on
fountain shows up prominently. So you show that guess what
people use it. Now they also have a vibe notice fountain if
it's not a value for value enabled podcast, they have
something called comment. I have no idea what that is. I have no
idea. I'm sure it doesn't go into the social interact tag. So
you know that that thing is very confusing to me.
Now, I think we I think we had a good solution or not as not as
it's not a full solution, but I think we had a good Wait is to
do get more visibility and traction, which is, you know,
cross pollinate the two cross F comment technologies together so
that they both live in the URL. And I'm gonna go I'm just gonna
go ahead and go into the nostre thing. The did some did some
looking this I get it noster makes some sense.
I want to tell people what noster is because I'm not so
sure people understand.
Okay, not noster is a protocol by the same guy or guys that did
Ellen URL, I'm pretty sure. And it is supposed to be what is
described as a censorship resistant pronouns gene
protocol. Yeah. And the idea here is that you have noster
relays, which will relay messages back and forth, you
know, essentially gossip them around around the their noster
network. And everybody you know, you get a public, you get a
private key. And every master message is signed with the
private key and can be verified that you know, you are who you
say you are, by public key authentication. And this way,
it's supposed to be censorship resistant because as opposed to
something like Mastodon where you have different we have we
have instances that you're you are a my my account on podcast
index dot social is linked intimately to podcasts index dot
social. So there's somebody blocks our instance I am blocked
as a as a result than being sort of like, in the nostril Ward,
you would each each entity is is stands on its own. It stands on
its own. It's not, it's censorship resistant in that
way.
And so the censorship resistant part, I didn't get that
marketing, I don't care. I see it as something this is not us.
So, of course, what's going to happen? Because this is how it's
been launched this protocol, everyone's going to see it as a
censorship resistant Twitter, that is already the marketing
and that is just completely incorrect. What I like seeing is
Chester, which is a chess, it's a chess app. And you and you
literally play chess against other people through noster.
Because Okay, noster is the way I see it, of course, like with
everything, oh, yeah, it's censorship, resistant,
decentralized, but you need all these relays, okay. They're
really easy to run to the relay thing is like, it's to me, it's
like it's little it's its own little mini activity, pub, and
you can run your own. And that's where you'll have censorship or
not, in fact, I would probably want to make sure that if I got
a whole bunch of porn stuff that it doesn't spam, if I have, if
I'm looking at a firehose, to me. noster is a protocol that, I
mean, it would be more interesting to see pod ping rot.
And I didn't want to bring that up, because no one wants to deal
with POD ping for the next month. But it would be more
interesting to see pod ping being published on it and being
ingested than any other common thing.
Does that make reading mama? You're reading my mind. Okay.
And so the NASPO to me, noster is it's fine, what it for what
it wants to be. And I don't necessarily have a problem with
it. Except there's a couple of the I don't see how it's any
different than, I don't see how it's going to be any different
than Tor. Because what you have is these relays, essentially our
exit nodes. And then, like, if you just all of a sudden start
spewing out a bunch of a bunch of illegal materials through one
of these relays. Like, How's that different than just getting
the tour, you're gonna get, you're getting all sudden,
you're gonna get really starting to get blocked, you're gonna
have a lot you know, in every time if you if you if you sell
this as censorship resistant, it's a huge mistake. It's going
to hit every all the bad guys are going to go there and
they're going to start doing a bunch of crap that you that
what's already
happening. I mean, someone literally sure spammed the
entire firehose of a whole bunch of relays with Asian porn. And
so relay started filtering that out. This is exactly what this
so it's all the same. What I like about it, is you don't
actually need to have an instance. So instead of you
having to sign up somewhere, and I believe you can even just use
your Albie wallet or your your lightning address. You could say
hey, This is um, generally I'm using this lightning node ID as
my identity. And what they have done or what I'm seeing is that,
and I think it's mainly Jack Dorsey who was all over this
thing. I mean, I logged over noster Oh, I logged on right
away. I'm getting Hey, Adam. I'm getting you know, hang 10 Emojis
from from Dorsey? Because he has invested in an app I think that
uses noster. Of course, yeah. Well, you know what, that's
okay. If he wants to criticism, no, no, in fact, I think that's
great, because it probably will never come back to him in any in
any fashion or not for a long time, if it's an investment. But
I kind of like that idea that that you don't and you can use
one identity for for anything, essentially, within within the
nostril world. And I mean, I see it as a, it seems like a very
interesting protocol to look at for things. Forget cross app
comments for a second because right now, no one's demanding
it. No one's sending me emails. I'm not getting any FedEx here.
Say, Oh, if only I could have comments. None of that.
Yeah, so Spencer said that Dorsey put he gave 14 Bitcoin to
fiat just nostril foundation. Okay, well, good. And yeah, it
basically subsidizes censorship resistant, except when you post
porn, we can easily sit straight without much resistance.
Right. But But yeah, but for me, it's much more interesting,
because I think, look, we're right now podcasts index the
node that functions as a very important piece in in, in
providing liquidity from left to right all over the place. In
fact, more than more than most people know when you when you
look at what's really running on stuff that we're that we're
providing. So it would be very logical for us to have a relay
and us and a network of trusted relays, you know, you don't have
to be part of one huge network. As long as we do what we've done
so far, it's all kind of the same thing. And I feel that, to
me, personally, noster has a place in podcasting 2.0, where
I'm not quite sure yet.
But But, but I think it has a place in pod pain. Yes, it
does. Well, that's what I'm saying. I think it has a real
good place with POD ping. I just didn't really want to bring it
up. Because if I say pod Fang and you know, it should be a
nostalgia, we can complain a row like not everyone's gonna hate
me.
No, no, here's, here's the. So this is why I said while ago,
you read my mind, because the here's here's, I don't flee, I
don't see how you break out of this problem. Every one of these
technologies is going, whether it's Tor, or Noster, or activity
pub, or IPFS, or Lappi, to P blockchains. They're all going
to have ultimately this problem, which is, how do you keep out
the truly terrible stuff? Because Because as soon as that
stuff begins to come in, and it will, they're all it just makes
everything bad. I mean, they it attracts heat that nobody wants.
And that's, that's just the reality of the world that we
live in. Agree. And so to me, what is the only way to truly be
redundant in a way where you can say we're not putting all of our
eggs in one basket. And this is what all of the prod pink 2.0
work was built on this idea that we are going to support multiple
protocols. So that's the truth. That's the only way that you
solve this problem is you. You don't you don't say okay, we're
going to, okay, we're gonna solve this. We're not going to
do hive, we're gonna do noster No, no, no, we're gonna say, you
say no, we're gonna do, we're gonna do hive, we're gonna do
noster we're going to activity pub, we're gonna do IPFS we're
gonna do object storage, we're gonna, we're gonna do we'll have
10 different protocols that are all that are all doing. pod bay.
And you just, if one falls down, you flip over to the other end.
To me, that's the only solution for true redundancy.
Gotcha. I agree. I would love to see. And I'd need more. We need
more analysis probably I certainly have not been all I've
been been able to do is just see that it works. I've been able to
try, you know, move to different interfaces using just my my
private key. You know, I have a real good understanding of what
the system is where exactly what you said where the weaknesses
are. I've that said, I've had a really good time because there
are people on noster that I know a lot of people and they're
finding me I don't know don't know exactly how. But so it
probably because it's still relatively small. I would love
to see it integrated into into pod ping and perhaps the app
side so apps can receive pod pings and make their own
decisions at that point. Does that make sense?
Yeah, well, yeah. So the it needs to be protocol. agnostic.
Right. And, and flat and protocol flexible.
Proto credit. Proto flexible. I like um, this is a new word.
protozoan. Flexible? That's a gender.
It is. It is proto flexible. Yes.
What? What are your pronouns for proto flexible?
Nut? noster? hosters. Shuster?
hoster. noster? Yes. By the way, I couldn't resist. I had to
register noster dot dog. I don't know why it was available. I
just thought it was funny. Dog. Dog. I want to be the noster
dog. Naughty Dog.
It doesn't look great dog name anyway.
noster coming austere.
That to me, to me, they all it's just one. It's I'm not enamored
with it the way some people are. But it it is. It can just be
another thing in the stack.
So what you're saying is it should it could be another thing
in the it could be another protocol in the social interact
stack?
Yeah, possibly.
Why is why? Why not? Why? Why only possibly?
Because I've yet to see somebody actually do it. Do what like do
any of it. Like because this? Now, I mean, a lot of times
people show up. And this was not the case here. Somebody
mentioned nostre. To me with social interact. And I and they
were, they're truly willing to build it. But really, a lot of
times, people Oh, with the end of this should be nostre. And
then just to never do anything. So like, I mean,
right? If someone shows up and builds it then yeah, of course.
So I just want to make sure whoever is interested in
building this it we're open to that, I would say but jump.
Here's is that uh, no. You went, huh? What did this? I don't
know. Did it? I don't know. I sound we're open. We're open to
building a new mine, huh?
That was involuntary,
dense, diverse, sensitive, darling, to what you to all of
your noises I so that's not entirely true. Because I had
very similar thing. I was like, oh, okay, this is the new
matrix. And that turned out to be a total flop as far as I'm
concerned. A total mess.
How many of these are we had? I'm just I'm so burned out. I
agree. I we should do so. And so because I'm just like, you know,
matrix activity pub noster XMPP. It's just like, I mean, this
making my head spin. The reason a light lightning comment. So
Oscar, to his credit, built a fully fleshed out functional
system for lightning comments. He put his money where his mouth
is in his not his money. He put his time where his mouth is, is
built a thing that actually works.
How about this? Can I interrupt you for one second? Yes, yes,
yes. What if Oscar took his lightning comments system and
duplicated those comments in noster. So they could at least
show up in other places, without having because I've been racking
my brain, you know, without having to put a split for every
app out there. This might be an interesting way to replicate the
light lightning comments to other places, other apps other
places
you got you essentially get to the same the same place you did
on my sheet here just says bridges is the solution. Yes,
Bridge is the solution
is the solution. Okay,
well, here's how you can go Why don't we go? I should
just let you do the show which say the same thing. Why am I why
are we wasting our time here? We agree on everything.
You send out minutes.
Right? We'll just have some chat GPT right up. Right up the
meeting the meeting minutes everybody
noster bridges adopted. That to me, that's that's your activity.
Whatever the parent protocol is, doesn't doesn't necessarily
matter, it can be activity pub, it can be XMPP, it can be
noster. It can be whatever lightning comments, whatever.
But it just need then it needs to bridge out to the broader
ecosystem. So that if you try to if you build noster you need to
also bridge it to activity pub. Yeah. Yeah, that's where people
are.
Yes, I agree. 100% agree.
In the other way or the other way around? If you I mean, if
you know that you're a lot of your audience are Bitcoiners.
And they're high on noster. Right now we'll activity pub
bridge out to noster. I mean, like, I just want to see this.
Well, the main the main thing, the point you made earlier, is
the main point, lightning comments in Fountain are
surfaced right there. Lightning comments in pod verse three
swipes over. And I will say if I look now look at the no agenda
episode from yesterday. And I always start the route post with
no agenda episode and then the number of comment thread. So
there's three or four replies on that. And it's showing up. But
you know, it just it shows up and you know, and then you tap
on it and says, Leave pod verse for website outside the app.
Yes. And then I go. Now this does go to no agenda social.com
in the in, and I'm already logged in and authenticated. But
that's but I have an account there.
Maybe we made maybe we need to bolster the visibility of
things. Yeah. With something. Maybe that's
well, and so again, I'll tell you, I'll tell you because I
remember everything, the pushback, mainly at the time. I
think it was Martin. It's like, well, I don't want to have an
app that sometimes has comments and sometimes doesn't. And
that's exactly what fountain did, they created this new
category, which is comments, which cost you 10 SATs to post
and there's a whole nother section of people who think it's
wrong that you charge money to post. And we don't even need to
go down that road. Because that's just an opinion. And then
there's going to be another whole crowd was like, Well, what
if it's on noster? Or activity, but can you delete it? Can you
can you actually get rid of stuff? So you know all that's
the conversation I don't want to have anymore? And neither do
you.
If it's if if we're totally unprepared to proceed in this
fashion mentally. If two years from now, we're still talking
about cross F comments and visibility. I'm, I am prepared
to declare it as a dead
idea I declare to get on the last board meeting.
Well, I'm not going to read declare it. I'm going to say it
is dead. In the sense it is dead in the sense that it is it will
be clear at that point that people do not want comments in
their podcasts.
I think that's clear already. Honestly, I think it's clear.
Okay. i To me, the lightning comments is one thing because
it's booster grams, it's always positive. There's no, I've not
seen someone boost anything and say this show sucks. Yeah. Or
even even, I haven't even seen anyone do spam. And you know,
which will be interesting if you pay to pay to play spam or ads
or whatever. And it goes both ways, Dave, there's zero demand
from listeners. And there's really very little motivation
from app developers. So and I'm okay with that.
Maybe people want comments in their social media apps, and
they want podcasts in their podcast apps
could be totally true. But that's very possible. I still
think there's an interesting place for noster. I'm not quite
sure where except I came up with the same thing, pod pig. That
would be very interesting to see just,
just, yeah, just another member of the pod paying family. I
mean, I could
see someone build a podcast app based on noster. If you haven't
been you haven't, if you have the appropriate bridges. Why
not? Oh, I mean, you could have a noster publish your RSS feed?
Correct.
Like the entire thing over Nasr, the whole URL or the I like the
XML content of the feed? Mm hmm. Maybe?
More or a link to it. Those? I don't know. I just think that
I'm just I am not viewing noster as a social network. I view it
as a whole different beast and the chest thing Chester?
Ornette, ah, yes, c h e SSTR. That kind of got me right Oh,
you could have any kind of application. And you can
communicate to a whole bunch of people. It's, in a way, it's a
little bit like IPFS I guess. Not the storage side, but the
notification side and the subscription side. These are
this is not bad.
So the this solves a similar, it's a, I keep fall starting
here. Okay, here, here's, here's, here's, here's what I'm
trying to say. There is a push back against blockchains from
the Bitcoin community right now. The Bitcoin No, no, no,
no, no, no, there are Bitcoin Maxis, who are assholes. And
they run around and they tell people that they shouldn't be
doing this and shouldn't be doing that. And they're assholes
about it. And it's very disappointing that people do
that. That's what you I'll just say it for you. Because I think
that's what you want to say.
And that's so like, you hear people say, in this I was
listening to I think it was the Kevin rook show. And they were
saying, you know, not everything needs to be a blockchain, not
just not Kevin, but his guest. Some lightning developer, not
everything needs to be blockchain. And that's true as
100% true that that is that is incontrovertible. But I think
this just the nostre thing has taken everybody because it's
sort of like the first expression of this this from
within the within the club, so to speak. And he has really
taken people but you know, by storm, and people are wanting to
find great things to do with it. And there's money there and that
kind of thing. And it's all fine. It's all fine. It's all
fine. I'm, I'm fine with it. But I just I'm just, I'm tired of
putting all my eggs in one basket.
I hear your brother. I hear you. Yeah. And so So I came up with
one final thing. noster might work might work well, to either
bridge for a lit chat, or be the live chat. Because not everybody
has an IRC server what we're currently using,
Oh, get on to it for further ephemeral. Yes. Yeah. Okay, that
that, I think because you can have that in the app. Here's
your chat room for this podcast. For this podcast. Yeah. And then
maybe if it's a femoral or not, I'm not sure. Maybe that can
stick around and can be attached to the episode.
I don't think anybody wants their chat sticking around. I
think everybody wants it to just be ephemeral. That's not
entirely true. I, I want it to stick around. I like it.
I traverse ISO me.
I like it. Because I've I've always enjoyed watching a replay
of the chat in real time. YouTube does that often.
How long does things how long? Do things stick around in
noster?
That's a good question. I don't know if there's an expiration
on? I don't know,
is it? Is it like Snapchat, where they hit it?
Just? No, I think I think it depends on the relay that you're
hitting. The relay will have rules and stuff set up.
But either way, good point. That's a good that's a good one
though. I like I liked that I did that make you know,
honestly, that Roy had mentioned nostre to me the other day? That
may I was interpreting his his comment is his talk with me as
cross up comments. He may have been meaning chat. I'd taught
him about I give him a call.
Oh, this he doesn't call me anymore. No, is he just blows me
off now.
He's too busy doing conferences with with Ben Brown of London. I
mean, what he's doing and Brian of London is speaking at a
Bitcoin Conference with Roy in some way. It is what Brian said.
All right. Is this all of these please tell me Is this a virtual
one? I mean, is Brian gonna have a bulletproof vest on? You
better walk walking in with a hive t shirt? This is great. To
have a helmet and by the way, who do I see on noster? Brian of
London.
Oh, is he on the Oh yeah, protocol.
So that may be an interesting way to do it to tie it into lit
that might like that, that might be something worth doing. That
might be something worth doing because that that could be just
something that that just flows along with the app. You signify
either a relay you signal relay, or I guess, some some noster ID
or something.
Well, global identities bother me a little bit like I don't I'm
not that seems creepy. And but but in this context That's
probably not as big of an issue because you mean you X sort of
salt serves the role of of a nickserv within us. Exactly.
Exactly. You don't have to reregister. Yeah. Or you can
register a separately on every single show if you want to be a
different person.
Right, this and that's this. Yeah. This is a good idea. I
like this idea.
Okay. Hold on a second. Where's that thing? Where's my gavel?
In the minutes? Just put in
there. That is ephemeral.
Chat. noster.
Adopted. Okay, ephemeral him 12 chat, pimp. 12. Adopted. Okay.
Okay. What the hell we just did, but okay. Good to go.
Just a general comment about the slowdown in the pace of
namespace work. That's intentional. I'm sorry, I'm not
ignoring the namespace. But I see the discussions happening
there. But I feel like this is another one of these periods.
We've had these before. We need to slow down a little bit and
let people catch up. There's been a lot, there's been a lot
of stuff. I mean, we're writing feeds generators for radio
stations to try to get them to use. If we just keep pledges
plowing through and creating feature feature feature feature
for you. I mean, like it just, we, we need a little bit of we
need a little bit of breather. We need a breather here for a
couple of months. I agree. I agree. And then bring back
everything. We push the TXT record fast. So we're, I think
we need to slow down just a bit,
and wanted to welcome a new developer, David Foley, also
known as Grand Duke, David Foley. Come in, and he is
creating a 2.0 app for roku.
Beautiful, nice. Yeah,
the first thing he said was, Hey, man, these images are
pretty big. They are you know, and thank Thank you. James
Cridland because James jumped in right away and gave all the
infos Well, here's, you know, we've wanted this for a long
time. Here's, here's how I do it. Here's how you can get the
smaller sizes. I was beautiful. So now he's off to the races.
Yeah, I'm gonna grab Nathan to be on the show with us Nathan
gathright Because he's, he's built. He's got two or three
projects, 2.0 oriented projects that he's got in the fire. One
of them is an image resizing service. Finally, you know,
we've been doing that for what forever and he's also doing a
transcript that steno.fm Transcript service and that kind
of thing, so we need to grab him to get it get on how
do we how do we integrate? Can we put the image service into a
split or is that actually something that might work better
with an LSAT just
actually almost texted him the other day and asked that same
question. Can we pay for this with with with a with a
split? Yeah. Okay.
We will get him on the show. We'll password
we are so thinking the same? Yeah, it's Christmas. Just
Christmas spirit. It is the Christmas spirit. We're
also Dean Martin and Barolos.
Know, what is this?
Yeah, you know, the the Christmas music was just was get
everybody thinking in the same direction.
Christina and I are watching one Christmas movie every night.
When Okay, give me your lineup.
Well, it's it's a lot. We're trying to watch ones we haven't
watched before that she had never seen White Christmas,
which is well worth watching. I thought you know, and it's been
Crosby, Danny K. Clooney, Rosemary Clooney. is black and
why you know, it's it's just the whole thing is it's also
Hollywood studio is so obvious. The backdrop. But yeah, but big
Crosby man. He does have a smooth, beautiful voice you
listen to him saying it's like I the guy could sing too bad that
he was I think he abused his wife thing was a wife beater.
No, no, I didn't tell Tina that we're watching because I knew
we'd have to turn it off right away.
We also is and who's the other crooner? Guy, Andy. Andy
Williams. Anyway, EMS Yes, Andy Williams.
And so there's a new one with Will Ferrell though. I think
it's called spirited. So we're watching that tonight. The
Christmas movie? Yes. Yeah. Yeah, he has a new Christmas
movie. So you know that's gonna be spirited
will will. Me and Marigold washed Krampus the other night.
Also a good one is good. It's just good. Like, no. You're just
like, who cares? It's just a good like, goofy watch.
So spirited. Spirited is Will Ferrell Ryan Reynolds right
there. That's enough for me. Yeah, you sold me if you throw
in some Tracy Morgan just you know for some diversity. And I
think it's like the Scrooge story, but it's a musical. So
it'll be great.
Can't wait to meet the old Bill Murray Scrooge. That's a classic
bathrobe. bathrobe VCR, VCR. That's how I did it this year.
VCR, VCR. Bitcoin wallet.
Thank you, brother. You sent me a Bitcoin wallet in the mail.
And I got it. It is the Oculus. This thing is is beautiful to
look at.
Well, you shamed me because you sent me a beautiful book. We
haven't exchanged gifts ever. And ever and all of a sudden out
of the blue, you send me a nice gift
for the flag away the lives we don't do that we will. We will
Reese will stop this. We will not do this again.
No, no, I like it. I had fun shopping for you. Like what
was it to get Daler wallet? This thing is so nice. Yeah, it was
beautiful.
Well, it's a badass. It's a you know, basically. What is it near
field communication card looks like a credit card. And that's
your, that's your key. And so you lose that card, or you lose
the phone, either one, you're back to your seeds, your seed
words, then you have triple authentication. So it's the
card. It's a biometric. And it's a pin. So you can set it up. So
you can look at what you have and accept and receive. But you
can't send unless you have all of the pieces put together. You
can leave the card at home and your vault, you know, then it's
basically a cold wallet. I love that thing. And that's kind of
my main my main wallet now that I use,
I think I'm going to use it as the cold card. It also makes you
feel like a total badass character from Gattaca or
something like that when you use this thing.
Just tap myself in Yeah. Does it have that vibe to it? I
agree getting on the rocket to go to space. What is your what
is your favorite version of Christmas story? Because there
are multiple versions of Ma. I'm am not a purist in the sense
that I like the colorized version better than the black
and white. But it still but it has to have the part that they
removed.
Now which one are you talking about?
The It's A Wonderful Life,
which Oh, It's a Wonderful Life. Okay. Yeah.
I like the part that like, you know, they removed that part
where she's hiding in the bush. Oh,
I didn't know any of that. Didn't know that was censored.
Yes. It was censored.
Like, you know, the part where he's still the robe from her.
Yes. And she's hiding in the bush or whatever. They cut that
part out. It was in Italy at some point, like maybe in the
last 1015 years. So I like I like the pure there, the uncut
version, but colorized
I like pure I like pure, pure black and white. Yeah, black and
white, for sure. 100%. But really, there's only one
Christmas story. And it's the one that I have read to my
daughter, and was read to me every single Christmas Eve for
as long as I can remember. It was the night before Christmas.
And all through the house. Not a creature was stirring not even a
mouse with my minor in her curfew for me and my cat. We had
just settled down for a long winter's nap, et cetera, et
cetera, et cetera et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. I said no, I
love that. I love Christmas. Christmas is a good vibe. It's a
good vibe. And Happy Hanukkah, everybody. While we're at it,
yes. Day five. I think of Hanukkah.
Do we want to thanks thankful people? Yeah,
we do have some booster grams that have been coming in. So
I'll hit those. Right off the bat. Hold on a second. Let me
get all set here. Where are we? Okay, here we are. We got Dred
Scott 3333 boosting for the Roku app and another Dred Scott 3333.
Pew pew pew. Yeah, you could do some news for you. No problem.
Steven B 1111. You know what would solve this cross app
comments thing? Dot dot dot hive. I did want to mention how
we got a note from Ken the code did you see this from Ken? Ken
has set up hive the hive tube? Yeah, I haven't. I haven't
played with it. But he has Hi dash tube.com Okay, hey guys,
we're listening to you for the first time loving your show
referred to you by Brian TGIF and Hollywood, Byron, TGIF and
Hollywood. He lives in Acapulco I've built hive too but does
audio video podcasts, audio books, music, live streams
movies, it'll wash your car and do the dishes. It also uses
activity pub with the hive blockchain and of course for
user commenting a voting tipping even automated recurring tips
which is my Patreon killer. I have not looked at this. He also
wants to put live online radio stations on hive tube so we know
this is something to just want to mention hive to hive dash
tube.com
That'd be pretty not a hive guy but I love it when people build
stuff me too. I get it Stay for you, man.
Hello, Sam Saffi Hello Sam Sethi. 100,000 SAS just came in
very nicely and Tom Jones
The Indian Tom Jones. I don't know why you said that, but I
like it.
He referred to himself as that on the on the pod news weekly.
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account on noster he sent his public key Thank you very much.
austere dot directory Martin Linda's code rush boost 2112
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cross comments thingy? No, no we have Bhumi 21,000 saps can't
listen live want to stop by and wish you guys happy holidays
looking forward to the next great podcasting 2.0 year and I
could not agree more. All of the good Albie guys great to have
you in our in our in our sphere. Really enjoy it? Yeah. striper
boosts from Eric p p 7777. Merry Christmas to you guys. Thank you
very much Blueberry. Blueberry 22,222 That would be a super row
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meant to have more SATs on the last one. I guess he boosted
gram before here's an ISO for Dave. Okay, hold on a second.
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Linda's code come on back Dave boot Yes, that's when we when
you dropped out earlier I'm 5554 from Dred Scott boosting for the
boot when you're gone we were entertaining ourselves
Martin even though it takes forever for me to realize I'm
gone and I'm like you're on a roll it out and then I'm like
wait Adam is really solid Oh
6969 from blueberry my two cents on paywalled shows as we talked
about earlier there's only been two I've paid for upfront to
access the second half one being the higher side chats and other
is Great America outlawed awesome shows, but I don't care
for set it and forget producing the other foot is I assume most
paywalled shows will never be live which is kind of you know,
not lit. Yes. We got it. It's kind of not lit. Yeah. 10101
from Steven Be Merry Christmas podcasting. 2.0 was like a
subscription to the jelly of the Month Club. It's a gift that
keeps on giving all year. Beautiful Man. Thank you. Then
we have 33,333 from firms sir Spencer, long lived value for
value. The most detrimental effect of the paywall. Patreon
model is the ceiling you put on yourself. We just read a $100
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$122.22 cent donation for our son's birthday. These types of
donations are not even possible outside the V for V model. V
four v is tough to grok until you participate on both sides of
the value exchange. Good point.
That is a good point.
That's why few understand all caps. Merry Christmas, Dave and
Adam. Thank you Spencer. I'm going to add this to my arsenal.
You can't understand it as a podcast or until you've lived it
as a listener.
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have Drib on pod verse with 333,330 Three boosting for the
generator tramo drip, if you'd like some of these back, we're
happy to send some back brother because I think you might have
and I've had this happen with fountain where I split it down.
No, no, no that's that's breeze breeze you hold the button down.
You're just you're spewing SATs everywhere. It's like it's like
an Uzi of SATs. Coincidence. And no,
I think you get a phone call.
Yeah. Hey, this show has precedence. No on fountain it
happened twice. I send a big ass boost a b, a b, two. I think it
was pod news. Pod news weekly review. And the app said sorry,
something went wrong. Check your wallet, checked a wallet. I saw
nothing went back did it again. Then I went back to the wallet
and saw that I had boosted the same amount twice. So there's
something and that was I don't know if that's found an idea.
Or an idea. For a sanity check. There would be very good idea.
Keep the last. Keep the last boost or something about some
sort of hash or something if it ends up if the app tries to send
the same thing again. Yeah, like warn the user like are you sure
you want to do this? It looks like this may be a great idea.
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anything but a booster gram I would not have read it.
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can No kidding. Yeah, right away. 2112 again for Martin
Linda's coke Mary Yuletide and has a whole question about what
music we listened to during the holidays. Yes. Dave listens to
rush. I listened to Kylie Minogue response.
You know, the John Denver Christmas album rhodamine. Chris
Dobby does,
from RSS blue.com 25,000 sets and to us from Brees. Merry
Christmas. And thank you very much. And I think that is pretty
much what I have. If anything else came in overnight. I missed
it on my node because of previous power outages. And
maybe we should just head over and thank the people that you
have on your on your list. Dave have got
a gotta make good boost from last week from chyron. I think I
cut off the timing a little bit too quickly. And so I didn't get
his boost on there. But it's 2222 and he says if when I start
a podcasting 2.0 Colt, this will become one of the tenets
probably closer to when I solemnly swear to respect the
splits. I solemnly swear to respect the splits.
Were happy.
Yes. You must proclaim allegiance to the split.
That was the title of the show. Yes, respect this.
We got two of ours. Every month big donors Marco Arment $500
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Sakala 20 is Blaze own Ambala Thank
you, Marco. Really appreciate that man. And that's value that
is very, very much appreciated.
I'm really hoping that live item is one of the things that comes
into overcast. It makes a lot of sense and
makes sense for him to show yeah, the live show exam
because I see now on Monday now that they've moved all their
stuff to Mastodon I see the posts they say we're going to be
live in 15 minutes, right like that could just just make so
much more so much sense. Buzzsprout $500 Thank you The
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Sakala 22 Is bleh on I am Paula
and of month value for value is heartwarming.
Yes. Thank you so much guys. You are on their video thing.
Yes Did you Did you like it?
I've only watched the first minute or so and I'm gonna
finish it up now they
didn't use my joke. What was the question was What do you think
about the t x t thing? And I said well I'm so happy because
we did this for one person only we only did it for James
Cridland said I liked getting the spam though I enjoyed
getting I enjoyed learning about how I could make money with
advertising and what great guests I could get but you know
we love James so the whole industry made sure that we would
remove spam from James and I had a great rap about it and they I
don't think they used it.
Merry Christmas DJ we got some boosts Roy scheinfeld 54321
Yay call me Roy you know sometimes
He's Just Not That Into You he's noster is different from AP
matrix etc it's really simple and super powerful hope you
don't mind if I explore it further not we don't mind at
all.
No put it out of court. Hey Roy well here's what you should do
get some lit stuff working in your app boots and then and
integrated this I think we basically laid it out for him
right? Yeah, it's a perfect way to do it perfect waited and we
love the work that you're doing on Pog so I just a little little
side note. The Johanna who cuts my hair cutting my hair for over
a decade
is Johanna Johanna Johanna. Okay.
She's actually she's Syrian of origin. And so Johanna, I've
known for 10 years she's cut my hair and I still go to Austin to
because I like chatting with her. And she always takes her
her payment through Venmo. And of course she's now by cash,
like IKEA. They're gonna start to taxing everything that
checking the $600 limit, not that I don't think she was
futzing anything with her with not paying taxes or anything but
it's oh it's irksome. This $600 thing so you know what, let me
set you up. And so I set her up with breeze. I put I put 500,000
SATs on there I said this is your Christmas gift and all
gratuity I'll pay I'm going to pay for my hair cut through
through Venmo I have one phone here at home and the iPhone
seven that has I don't want Venmo on any of my devices
except that one which I don't use so I'll pay for the for the
haircut but all gratuity will go through and I showed her I
showed her what is it the bit refill? Bit refill? And she's
like this is great. And then she's looking she said What's
this podcast thing is Oh, that's all the cool podcasts apps that
you can support with she's like this is interesting and she is
not a podcast listener not on apps she is a click play on the
website
so this may she may be a convert and bring you on boarded you
on boarded her breeze i did and it was a very I've had some bad
experiences onboarding to breeze in the past this was a very very
pleasant very pleasant experience and it worked right
did right there in the chair and
the the the the bad the bad part is that breeze no longer heats
up your phone so I
know it's no longer a foot warmer for me
right yeah it's bad time of year to switch onboard to switch to
hurry we really
I really do miss that heat and loss of battery power I miss
you too can convert lithium ions into into warm
needs Bitcoin miners when you've got breeze?
That's right, but not anymore. Not anymore. Cohen McCormick
2022 through fountain he says hey, I love you guys love These
meetings. Oh, I will be making the move to self hosting America
plus before Castillo's charges me again soon in 2023 will be me
building a node as well. The future is in the value rocket
ship.
Yeah. Bruce
well see I don't know where you're gonna host Oh, Sal, oh,
self hosting sc sc 2222. No note from Mike Dell, or brother from
another mother at blueberry indeed. Oh, and he said he sent
us another 11234 SATs through pod verse and he says I
predicted that ads suck. I predict that as well. And Mike
whoosh Yeah, we have the same prediction. So funny do is
interesting that way. SLC 12,498 SATs through fountain and he she
says Pupu Musk is helping them My relationship with MPC family
members, they're surprised that I don't trust him. And I explain
what WeChat is. Why are why are so many blind to this nonstarter
because people are too too enamored with the distraction.
Oh look, the FBI was D platforming people no shit
Sherlock really can't believe it boost boost boost that special
announcement, no agenda, February one, it will be
accepting bitcoin for value for value and we should have it
plugged into into value for value booster grams, et cetera.
And this will be great because everybody who wants to use this
system can can determine if they want it to be sent to a bank
account in US dollars, or Bitcoin or a combination you can
actually slide back and forth and we'll probably have one of
the ibex people on once that's all working to talk about
because I think it's a game changer for people who want to
get into into value for value with their podcast. And just to
get started have a plop right into your bank account.
Eric p p says key sindelle Feb one is that right? That's the
idea. Okay, two one on 2121 Everybody
Q one Q one is going to be great for no agenda. We just keep
saying that in the hope that someone will do something. q1 or
it's going to be great.
This is the power of positive thinking manifest your own your
own beauty. SLC again 12,498 Sastra fountain he says Damn, I
never knew I played the sax when I was younger, but have but have
put away creepy things though. Oh, that's our I think we're
ribbon on sex. Sex. All right. Let's see a boost grant from
Bhumi. To the podcast index website, how you doing? 10,000
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Hello, come on. 20 is Blaze on am Paulo come on in Bhoomi
when we bought our booming, big booming baller,
go podcasting 2.0
You gotta go podcast.
Mary Oscar, also known as Oscar marason is 2450 through fountain
new note. Thank you Oscar. thank you Steven crater 100,000 SATs
pod verse and he says Merry Christmas
Thank you very much. That's so nice. How you
doing bleak? Appreciate you Stephen a lot. setups.
You know what Steven did? He basically got 100,000 SATs from
the split. That Rebecca gave it right back to us. I mean, I love
you for that man as beautiful. Yeah, thank you.
But But keep some for yourself. Stephen didn't please buy
yourself some nice. See dubs 10101. Through podcast index
website, no note thank you see Dubs. 6969. From a citizen
through the pod first app, he says, you owe on part of the
show narcissism. That's not entirely true.
This isn't great. Oh, Dave, my brother, what will happen we
need to celebrate you and I. It's blood. It's public
information. So happen. We, as of right now.
Officially, we crossed the limit and crossed the threshold,
we crossed the threshold podcast index, which started out with a
$1,500 investment in whatever, I don't remember how many sets
that was at the time. We have now gotten to one Bitcoin. We
have a
full coin on the node
on the node a full coin on the node Bouverie says,
are you having a baby? Baby,
we had a baby. Were 100,000 18,212 Satoshis.
So we passed we crossed the one bitcoin threshold we cost
congratulations, Dave. We're not gonna we're not gonna see any of
that money. If we just leave it there. That's for liquidity
people. If you need liquidity, let us know. We're here to help.
It's also to pay for the node itself, which is $150 a month
pretty much that bill comes due in January, I think. Oh, that's
right. And we pay that in Bitcoin, don't we? Yeah. It's
like yeah,
we pay it cuz it's cheaper in Bitcoin. Yeah. Yeah. I
think if we pay, we pay in Bitcoin and works out to like,
1500 a year instead of, you know, whatever. It was, like
150 a month. I think it's a lot. It's like 1800
Well, to be honest, the amount of service we get, is pretty
much 24/7. I mean, you know, I can ping Graham and say, Dude, I
don't know what's going on. And he's always there. Always.
Yeah, I mean, when you're talking about giving birth to
Bitcoin babies like this is important stuff he's like he's
like the dot he's the on obstetrician, podcast index
obstetrician,
he's the midwife let's just be honest.
Podcast midwife,
Graham from now on you have a nickname my friend you are the
podcasting 2.0 midwife Nice.
Oh, what a great Christmas present. Thank
you all everybody this is really appreciate it because it's your
booths that have helped this project and, and I love that we
can just see where it all goes. There it is.
Yeah. Scott Scott is Cora scutts. Scott's Acorah? Yeah.
Scott's the chorus in his 50,000 says through fountain he says
thank you for a great year of all the new developments you
have made in podcasting. Thank you also, thank you for being my
absolute favorite over my head and I don't get any of it
podcasts. Your enthusiasm makes it all worth it. Yes. You don't
show up to understand it you just show up for the enthusiasm
Who the hell no.
Do you think I know what I'm talking about.
That 2023 brings you many great new ideas fruitful developments
in tremendously fun times enjoying that international
lifestyle. Scott from the talking beards podcast, which
anyone is allowed to follow and boost to their heart's desire go
podcasting go podcast,
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gene been since elite boost through pod verse he says I like
the idea of booster gram seeding activity post comment threads.
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Yeah, exactly. Wilkinson sent us 33 333 Three cast thematic.
Thank you very much, man. Appreciate that.
Follow up with 3390s is emptying the vif resets for the year
thanks.
B glass sent us 2000 SATs through fountain no note. And
here's the here's the legendary often talked about but never
seen until now. aerostatic a 1.5 million said boost through
fountain and he says I've tried twice to boost 2 million sets
but I broke the system both times. So let's see where the
line is. I'm upping the ante. As always, thanks for all you do to
keep speech free. And thanks to Oscar and felted for making it
easy. Booster grands aren't being tracked by the FBI. Yet
bolo Sakala 20 is Blaze on am Paula
arrow statica Thank you brother.
I think he pushed us over the finish line to the one bitcoin
totally did totally
did. And we we might not I was wondering if what's going to
happen for Christmas or New Year's because I kind of been
watching and I think I think you're right. We wouldn't have
made it without without anybody if we wouldn't have done none of
this would be happening with any of our value participants in the
entire project, obviously.
Well, he he's like the it's not going to football team. The big
fat guy that gets behind you pushes the running back over the
touchdown like I like grits. trug grits. sinas are true
grits. True grits. That's it true grits 1000 says through
fountain. He says that A is 400 joke really hit home with me.
Oh, I'm glad you like he says I work for Costco. We still use
this. That garbage
system. Well. IBM as 400 division was my client. Really?
Yeah, we built a website for them. That could not run on the
NAOs 400.
My dad was an ace 400 programmer for his entire career. You can
still you can still have a career and as 400 programming.
Heck yeah, he programmed RPG. If anybody's ever heard of that
RPG, RPG, this is RPG 400 was the name of the programming
fantastic last nomadic coder since 1555. Through pod vs. Wow,
Dave, whenever I listen to podcasts, and people know I have
to review my philosophy notes when I study for my master's
degree. On the Masons. I don't know if you give me that much
credit. On the Mises Institute. I believe Lew Rockwell and
Murray Rothbard. formed it over the objection of the Koch
brothers after the Cato Institute off from San Francisco
to DC. Yes, that is that is the story. You are correct. Cato
Yeah. Franco Celerio. Our friend from Ito Italia sent his 10,000
SATs through cast ematic and he says count me in for the new
international Prosecco lifestyle.
I forgot about all these humor we had on the last episode.
We're going about that too, is how offensive is Prosecco to an
Italian is Just gotta be just the worst thing
for a French Frenchman probably worse than Yeah,
mere mortals podcast, boob donation 8008 nice mountain and
he says a huge thanks to everyone for all their amazing
work on P 2.0. Over this last year, has really changed my
approach to podcasting and given me an outlet to behave in a more
ethical manner has also inspired me to learn Python so I can
hopefully contribute more directly going forward. Go
podcasting?
Indeed, Brother Go podcast.
The podcast, Project inspired Kyron to be more ethical,
what kind of what kind of criminal was he?
I'm confused by this and also by the fact that we would inspire
anybody in a mall to be more moral than they normally are. I
just thought I thought we had the opposite approach seems
like a dichotomy. It just seems like that well explain boostin
explain a b&e
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facts go podcasting.
Oh nice and thank you too for being a part of this as well.
Very, very fun to have you in the podcasting 2.0 Space
podcast. Family family is what we Man Yes, definitely.
Tone Ricker 100,000 SATs through breeze and he says Minnesota is
in a deep freeze but keeping warm boosting sets through
breeze Merry Christmas will be for free friends.
Yes that breeze app used to keep you warm because they're cool
Yes.
Now it leaves you out in the cold as a third oh here we go.
Wait wait wait did you already
read I did not I did not read the delimiter if that's what
your
as you read the pre boosting 101 A one from hard hat?
I don't think so. Okay, I just did
one a one on one from hard hat and he says pre boosting and
Macintosh sin as 1111 Row sticks to fountain and he says Merry
Christmas and Happy Holidays gentleman go podcasting.
Thank you very much Pope's.
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fountain and he says Dave and Adam. Could AI be the
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bring an angel of mercy. Bringing the latest news about
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cooking fire it up. Ready budget. Burn up read by Gregory
William Forsythe Foreman and angel of mercy never stoned and
drunk has been on the blessed Hell Ride in this river where
blood is thicker than water. Merry Christmas. Yo,
moose. You comics your boy what is hard fat saying those pre
boosts get missed now? I did almost every single pre boost.
Yeah, we don't miss a pre Mr. Pre boost. I'll say that. I
mean, no, I don't think so. I think we're pretty good with
unless it was days ago. You know? I'm sorry. I probably did
miss it. Because if it came in three this morning when I reset
my node that I that I missed it. So that is
that is true. That is true. Well, I wow. I picked it up.
We have any monthly back here though. Yes.
We got. Let's see here. Pod news. $50. Thank
you. Thank you. Thank you, James.
Shaw McCune $20 Paul Erskine $11.14, David would find $3
Michael Goggin $5 Charles current $5 kin glotzbach $5
James Sullivan $10 shown the way we already rich John Christopher
Remer $10 and Jordan Dunnville $10.
God, thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you all so much. This
is value for value. It's a very, very simple system. All you have
to do is determine if you got any value out of this podcast. I
thought of the project if you'd like it, it could have been for
a project you're working on it could have just been for pure
entertainment. Maybe you got an idea maybe just felt good. Maybe
a laugh maybe you haven't as 400 and felt loved you you can
return that value whatever you want time talent treasure, we
love the treasure it is important. You can also send us
unchained Bitcoin, which no one does, but we do have that on
podcast index.org If you have a coin laying around, you know
that's He tally tally coin. And that's all a podcast index.org
Also for the Fiat fun coupons, you can do that through Pay Pal
but we really want and really enjoy is when you use a modern
podcast app, new podcast apps.com There's quite a number
of them that you can use with more coming online every single
day. I believe we'll also be able to use the the boosting and
booster grams from the Roku interface. And that'll be
interesting to see how that works. And for that, go to new
podcast apps.com. And thank you all so much for another great
year. This is our now we're well into year. Two, right? We have
two and a half years. I think that we're doing this now. My
saying that row. Yeah, well, let me see. When
did we first started in August of 2020? Yeah, yeah. The
first show was August 28th.
Yeah. Okay. So we're a little shove a
little shy of two years and a half years, two and a half
years. Yeah. Well, it's the best project I've ever worked on.
I've have not had as much fun doing this. And that includes
everything I've done. This outstrips MTV by Miles was can
you say what other project can you say that you actually birth
a Bitcoin baby?
None of birth shitty websites in my career. But never a Bitcoin
Baby, baby. So thank you all very much podcast index.org And
of course if you'd like to join in the fun and join him the work
that we do on the development you're more than welcome to go
to podcasts. index.org and we'll hook you up with an invite come
on in not if you just want to you know, just have a podcast.
But if you really want to help with the development and you can
read what's going on in podcasts index, dot social distancing,
get a flavor for it. Or if you have your own Mastodon account,
you can follow Adam at podcast index on social or Dave podcast
index dot social. Thank you all so much. And I think we ran a
little long do you
okay, we were in law. No, no, we're good. I'm off today. Oh,
nice. Today, we're going to the in laws house here in a couple
hours. Yeah. Is that you got family, you got Christine
industry.
Everybody bailed? No, everyone hates us know that now the kids
are doing their own thing. Of course, Christina's boyfriend
slashed fiance still cannot enter the United States. As if
you are a non resident alien or a non citizen, you have to have
boosters and everything up to date. And seeing as he started
to get heart issues after the first vaccine, he decided to
stop
work when you're required to have boosters. But there's,
there's European countries that don't like Denmark that have
stopped allowing boosters for men under a certain age.
It's a whole the whole thing is horseshit. And they make the
airlines check. So the airlines just need to see some piece of
paper they can say your whatever that's good here you're good to
go to each wave it and easily wave in their face pretty much.
Yeah, pretty much. And I think but that's supposed to end
January. We're the only country in the world that still have
really Yep. And I was talking to the primerica guys finally did
their podcast,
by the way, where's the they're not like they're not lit. I
tried to find it. And now that
I know, I know. It's a travesty that we'll get we'll get them on
board now they do value for value, but we'll get them on
board with with the lit stuff. But they were like hey, you guys
should come down to Texas. Well, if you change change your
horrible border laws I'm like, Oh, that's right. You guys can't
can't come in because you Canadians. It's ridiculous. And
I think it has something to do with the title 42 thing and the
whole thing it's America you know what Why would you come
Don't hit stones just stay home. We suck right now. We got to
clean some stuff up here. Then we'll send out an invite when
we're ready for y'all
need advice? or CPE and evite
right. So you're with the in laws for for Christmas already.
This is just for today. You going up?
Yeah, we're just going to eat dinner up there. It's about they
live about an hour away at north of us and then we'll go to my my
folks tomorrow and then have Christmas Day here with with our
with our kids. Yeah.
Now we're tonight we have pastor Jimmy and Damon net. We're going
to have dinner with them. And Pastor Jimmy is going to do a
value for value podcast. Oh, Izzy? Yep, yeah. Oh, cool. Oh,
nice. Yeah. He's very excited about it. That's fun. I have the
pod father producing so I'll get you set up man. He's a musician.
He has all the he has. He knows how to do it. He knows how to
just I just need to put all the pieces together for him. And
then see tomorrow and then I'm working Sunday. No agenda goes
on as scheduled. We work on holidays
on Christmas.
And New Year's Day. Yeah. Yeah. What's a great opportunity
because all mainstream has gone you know All reruns and crap.
And that podcast
and the podcast episode publishing rate is down almost
10% This week, like on your buddies publishing podcast, this
is a great time to launch this is
get to stage two yourself.
This is a great time to launch your podcast people I'm just
saying, Dave, have a very, very merry Christmas. You too,
brother. Love and peace and happiness to the to you in the
family. And we'll be we'll be working just before the New Year
and that'll be the next the next board meeting and we'll have
curriculum with us. So that'll be fun.
Yep, that'd be good. That'll be able to get you. Peace and Love
to your family to and to all a good night. Yes.
Good night, everybody. Thanks for attending the board meeting.
We highly appreciate it. And remember, we're podcasting.
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