1 00:00:00,870 --> 00:00:06,720 podcasting 2.0 for January 27 2023, episode 119 bola 2 00:00:06,720 --> 00:00:11,760 noodles Hello everybody. Welcome back to the board meeting and 3 00:00:11,760 --> 00:00:17,580 podcasting one where we protect and extend podcasting. We got 4 00:00:17,580 --> 00:00:20,610 all the latest news for you. Everything happening around 5 00:00:20,610 --> 00:00:24,060 podcasting itself of course with our own unsalted opinion. We've 6 00:00:24,060 --> 00:00:27,750 got the latest for podcasting. duxtop index.org, the namespace 7 00:00:28,020 --> 00:00:30,960 and anything else happening on podcast index dot social where 8 00:00:30,960 --> 00:00:33,900 it all goes down. I'm Adam curry here in the heart of the Texas 9 00:00:33,900 --> 00:00:36,450 Hill Country and in Alabama running a fever but the show 10 00:00:36,450 --> 00:00:39,120 must go on. Say hello to my friend on the other end ladies 11 00:00:39,120 --> 00:00:44,850 and gentlemen, Mr. Dave Jones. Hello, 12 00:00:45,060 --> 00:00:46,020 barely made it back. 13 00:00:46,350 --> 00:00:49,110 Hello. You said you said pull the cord 14 00:00:49,530 --> 00:00:52,920 and I did and then I pulled the cord and ran to get my lunges, 15 00:00:53,580 --> 00:00:56,280 your laws and how are you doing brother? You're not feeling 16 00:00:57,060 --> 00:01:02,310 good, you know and feel like garbage. It's really not that 17 00:01:02,970 --> 00:01:05,820 it's not that bad. It's all up in my throat. And my throat is 18 00:01:05,820 --> 00:01:06,720 killing me but 19 00:01:08,610 --> 00:01:11,370 when you're a podcaster that's kind of bad. It's not a good 20 00:01:11,370 --> 00:01:11,670 thing. It 21 00:01:11,670 --> 00:01:16,200 is bad and I'm just not getting much sleep. I wake up I go to 22 00:01:16,200 --> 00:01:20,340 sleep and I'm not too bad. And then about two o'clock in the 23 00:01:20,340 --> 00:01:24,600 morning I know I wake up in and I think as I think my mouth 24 00:01:24,600 --> 00:01:27,450 comes up I start breathing through my mouth at night. Oh 25 00:01:27,540 --> 00:01:30,990 while I'm asleep and then that dryer just dries out my already 26 00:01:31,230 --> 00:01:34,620 kind of ragged throat in a wake up and my throat is just like on 27 00:01:34,620 --> 00:01:37,110 fire you know? Yeah. And I just can't and then I have to start 28 00:01:37,110 --> 00:01:39,540 hitting Tylenol and trying to get it all under control. And 29 00:01:39,540 --> 00:01:41,460 then before you know it, it's like four o'clock in the morning 30 00:01:41,460 --> 00:01:42,660 and I'm trying to fall asleep again. 31 00:01:42,750 --> 00:01:46,890 Well, I know this is happening because I'm getting DMS from 32 00:01:46,920 --> 00:01:51,570 around 3:25am Funny thing is I'm replying it for 33 00:01:54,420 --> 00:01:58,200 him texted you like 230 And then I woke up this morning. And it 34 00:01:58,200 --> 00:02:00,390 was like you replied at like 330 What are you doing? 35 00:02:01,590 --> 00:02:05,160 I woke up You know, I was like, honestly, 36 00:02:05,459 --> 00:02:08,549 I didn't wake you up with a Dane. Okay, okay. 37 00:02:08,670 --> 00:02:12,300 I'm still suffering from the opioid poisoning to be honest. 38 00:02:13,110 --> 00:02:15,540 Opiate Oh, the fen. Yeah, 39 00:02:15,570 --> 00:02:19,170 it's well not the fentanyl but the hydrocodone. It was really 40 00:02:19,170 --> 00:02:23,130 messed up my insides and just my I'm off. You know, I'm just off. 41 00:02:23,280 --> 00:02:26,220 I'm hungry, constipated and bloated all at the same time. 42 00:02:26,250 --> 00:02:29,610 Um, like a woman. Sorry, I was really bad. 43 00:02:31,770 --> 00:02:34,260 No, that is bad. That's this terrible thing. 44 00:02:34,260 --> 00:02:38,040 I missed the worst thing I could have said. But I've heard from 45 00:02:38,190 --> 00:02:42,030 women I've lived with including my mom, my sisters. And my wife. 46 00:02:42,030 --> 00:02:45,690 You know, this is like this. If I complain about this year at 47 00:02:45,690 --> 00:02:51,180 home, it's like, Oh, really? Try on a baby. Well, that always 48 00:02:51,210 --> 00:02:54,180 that's always the death row at the end. Like Shut up. Try 49 00:02:54,180 --> 00:02:55,980 having a kid. Okay. 50 00:02:56,760 --> 00:02:58,530 How many hours were you in labor? Adam? 51 00:03:00,930 --> 00:03:01,800 Exactly. 52 00:03:03,180 --> 00:03:04,710 I'm gonna make it though. I'm gonna make okay. I'm 53 00:03:04,710 --> 00:03:07,920 glad you can make the show. I mean, people can barely hear I 54 00:03:07,920 --> 00:03:11,610 know you so I can hear it a little bit. But you're hanging 55 00:03:11,610 --> 00:03:12,720 in there, brother. You're hanging 56 00:03:13,260 --> 00:03:15,750 on the tax professional. I mean, a podcast professional. 57 00:03:16,830 --> 00:03:19,020 Well, have you been to the office? Not you staying at home, 58 00:03:19,020 --> 00:03:22,320 right? No, I'm in the office every day. No, you're kidding 59 00:03:22,320 --> 00:03:26,010 me? Yes, yes. That's you're going to the office and with the 60 00:03:26,040 --> 00:03:29,370 your seething infected airways 61 00:03:29,760 --> 00:03:33,210 real men go to the office. That would be the 62 00:03:33,210 --> 00:03:36,450 ISO if we did one. I'm going to mark that. I'm gonna mark that 63 00:03:36,450 --> 00:03:39,600 just in case I don't know why. I think I might need that. 64 00:03:41,280 --> 00:03:45,540 You know? Strike. Did you say strikes big news today? 65 00:03:45,570 --> 00:03:49,350 I did. There. I thought this was already happening. They're 66 00:03:49,350 --> 00:03:54,030 integrating with clover. Which I How big is clover? They're their 67 00:03:55,320 --> 00:03:58,350 point of sale. Merchant network, I believe right? 68 00:03:59,070 --> 00:04:03,090 Yes, this there like, like the square point of sale terminal 69 00:04:03,150 --> 00:04:06,390 type deal. I think they're a competitor in that whole market. 70 00:04:07,170 --> 00:04:10,110 Yeah, but I mean, like this, it's it's a big deal. The Clover 71 00:04:10,110 --> 00:04:14,370 stuff is all there in a lot of restaurants and stuff is good. 72 00:04:14,700 --> 00:04:18,420 Yeah, this could be a big deal. And they're they made it I guess 73 00:04:18,420 --> 00:04:21,510 the best thing is it's not a strike. They just evidently 74 00:04:21,510 --> 00:04:25,200 built the pathways for it and the back end because you don't 75 00:04:25,200 --> 00:04:28,290 have to use strike to pay. Right. You can use any any 76 00:04:28,290 --> 00:04:29,940 lightning right? In your own note. There's 77 00:04:30,510 --> 00:04:33,120 that part. That's the best part. I liked that a lot. Yeah. 78 00:04:33,750 --> 00:04:38,070 I'm itching to try it. Now. I hope there's somebody local to 79 00:04:38,070 --> 00:04:40,740 me that I can like give this a shot because that would be like 80 00:04:40,980 --> 00:04:41,850 super cool. 81 00:04:41,969 --> 00:04:46,469 So they do full service dining. Almost like I'm gonna go back 82 00:04:46,469 --> 00:04:48,569 you haven't actually looked at this full service dining, quick 83 00:04:48,569 --> 00:04:51,179 service dining, retail stores, personal service, professional 84 00:04:51,179 --> 00:04:53,639 services, home and field services. It doesn't wonder how 85 00:04:53,639 --> 00:04:56,189 big they are just now. I don't know how many they have. It 86 00:04:56,189 --> 00:04:58,919 doesn't matter. It's Fanta it's a three month trial from what I 87 00:04:58,919 --> 00:05:01,589 understand and if every Think goes well, they'll make it 88 00:05:01,589 --> 00:05:02,159 permanent. 89 00:05:02,880 --> 00:05:05,700 Which is cool. I mean, it sounded like maybe I 90 00:05:05,700 --> 00:05:11,520 misunderstood the way they were wording the whole thing but it 91 00:05:11,520 --> 00:05:14,400 sounded like like they were gonna do it regardless they just 92 00:05:14,400 --> 00:05:18,840 wanted some preliminary data about how many you know like how 93 00:05:18,840 --> 00:05:21,810 much traffic they were going to get maybe for maybe for back 94 00:05:21,810 --> 00:05:25,740 like infrastructure sizing or so they would know what channels to 95 00:05:25,740 --> 00:05:30,870 get and says like, at launch estimate, just traditionally 96 00:05:30,870 --> 00:05:37,170 I think strike this is a jack Mahler's company they they were 97 00:05:37,200 --> 00:05:41,460 using more than just lightning right? They were using other 98 00:05:41,460 --> 00:05:43,140 stable coins and 99 00:05:43,529 --> 00:05:46,439 weren't they? Were they using tether something like that now 100 00:05:46,469 --> 00:05:47,249 EUR USD see 101 00:05:47,250 --> 00:05:51,060 maybe I tried to explain some of this to Joe Rogan. I was on your 102 00:05:51,060 --> 00:05:53,850 show earlier this week and not as 103 00:05:53,850 --> 00:05:57,090 anything you want to talk about with that? Well, of course, but 104 00:05:57,090 --> 00:06:00,390 you know by design, I do not listen to anything with you 105 00:06:00,390 --> 00:06:02,100 during the week leading up to the show. I don't wanna be 106 00:06:02,100 --> 00:06:04,560 spoiled. So this is off I haven't had listened to nothing. 107 00:06:04,830 --> 00:06:07,050 Nothing that I've not listened to the Joe Rogan show. 108 00:06:07,919 --> 00:06:10,529 We talked about my teeth of course, you know, I was just 109 00:06:10,529 --> 00:06:13,679 getting just buttering him up let him know. letting him know 110 00:06:13,679 --> 00:06:17,759 how horrible My experience was but just so he could go Oh man. 111 00:06:17,759 --> 00:06:20,189 Oh, that's horrible. I can't believe it. Yeah, Joe I'm a real 112 00:06:20,189 --> 00:06:20,369 man. 113 00:06:20,400 --> 00:06:23,940 You're fishing you're fishing for Oh man. They look great. 114 00:06:24,120 --> 00:06:26,880 Oh no, no, I didn't fish that's it Don't they look great. 115 00:06:28,380 --> 00:06:31,680 Just went straight for it. Of course of course right for sure. 116 00:06:31,680 --> 00:06:33,120 Look at my teeth with a beautiful I was 117 00:06:33,120 --> 00:06:36,270 really trying to just have a I mean we had a great conversation 118 00:06:36,270 --> 00:06:40,650 three and a half hours and it wasn't like any one topic we hit 119 00:06:40,650 --> 00:06:45,030 on so many different things I got to do a lot of he brought up 120 00:06:45,060 --> 00:06:48,510 a Bitcoin FTX and you know, I think I made a lot of the 121 00:06:48,510 --> 00:06:51,390 Bitcoin bros very happy by saying oh no all that other 122 00:06:51,390 --> 00:06:56,220 stuff is just shit coins got to go to zero. I was pretty brazen. 123 00:06:56,700 --> 00:06:59,850 But I did get some I think some real good points in there. 124 00:07:01,500 --> 00:07:03,000 Like Todd at pod fest? 125 00:07:03,089 --> 00:07:07,379 Well, well every time I watch I unfortunately, I haven't been 126 00:07:07,379 --> 00:07:09,959 able to listen to Todd but I will talk about him later for 127 00:07:09,959 --> 00:07:10,379 sure. 128 00:07:10,800 --> 00:07:14,040 Now he said from the podium during this during his like talk 129 00:07:14,040 --> 00:07:19,860 he's said that some about the the day value as Bitcoin not 130 00:07:19,860 --> 00:07:24,000 shit coin. You got a bunch of applause Well, you are in 131 00:07:24,000 --> 00:07:24,540 Florida. 132 00:07:25,650 --> 00:07:29,310 Well, that's exactly what it's very interesting. Because I 133 00:07:29,310 --> 00:07:32,340 learned something. I talked about alignment. This is such a 134 00:07:32,340 --> 00:07:35,910 huge show. I mean, it's got to be one of the biggest audiences 135 00:07:36,240 --> 00:07:38,910 of any certainly in the United States but probably the world is 136 00:07:38,970 --> 00:07:41,520 I mean, what does you have 10 11 million 137 00:07:43,529 --> 00:07:47,759 Yeah, know, it's big. I was about to ask you how many was to 138 00:07:47,759 --> 00:07:48,329 estimate 139 00:07:48,960 --> 00:07:56,370 I think 10 At least well but it's it's big. So anything you 140 00:07:56,370 --> 00:08:01,230 do you get people commenting. So I talked about beef and you know 141 00:08:01,230 --> 00:08:05,100 beef initiative and like you know, just I mean what I do is 142 00:08:05,100 --> 00:08:07,320 the same we do here what I do on every show just talking about 143 00:08:07,320 --> 00:08:09,660 whatever's going on in my life you know, so hey, had the meat 144 00:08:09,660 --> 00:08:14,400 mafia guys over you know, bought bought a third of a cow paid 145 00:08:14,400 --> 00:08:17,490 with Bitcoin all these kinds of things. I would try to bring up 146 00:08:17,490 --> 00:08:20,010 podcasting two point I'd say it from time to time. Yeah, that's 147 00:08:20,010 --> 00:08:22,350 exactly what we're doing with podcasting. 2.0 and Joe would go 148 00:08:22,350 --> 00:08:26,460 boom into another direction. He was he was not interested in 149 00:08:26,460 --> 00:08:33,750 hearing about it. But what was kind of cool about that. Now I 150 00:08:33,750 --> 00:08:38,880 learned something about Twitter. Joe no not not from Joe because 151 00:08:38,910 --> 00:08:42,540 there's so many comments I've gotten yet 2000 more followers 152 00:08:42,540 --> 00:08:46,590 he does the whole thing blows up. And so Tina has you know, 153 00:08:46,590 --> 00:08:48,390 she's really good at this stuff. She's looking at stuff she's 154 00:08:48,390 --> 00:08:51,690 reading stuff to me Oh, look at this, this comment this comment 155 00:08:51,810 --> 00:08:57,270 and like where is that? And as it turns out, you do not get all 156 00:08:57,270 --> 00:09:03,000 your mentions on your timeline at all. You have to go and 157 00:09:03,000 --> 00:09:07,440 search do a search for your name to see everything I did not know 158 00:09:07,440 --> 00:09:11,700 so yeah, they are. We call we'll call it shadow banning or 159 00:09:11,700 --> 00:09:15,870 whatever. And I'm not quite sure what the algo is because Tina 160 00:09:15,870 --> 00:09:18,900 was doing this as well and she would have different things that 161 00:09:18,900 --> 00:09:24,510 would show on her timeline versus mine. And so only only 162 00:09:24,540 --> 00:09:27,630 audio when she did a only when we both do a search for my name 163 00:09:27,630 --> 00:09:30,870 can you really see everything that comes through and I'd say 164 00:09:30,870 --> 00:09:35,340 it's a good 20% that doesn't show up on your on your mentions 165 00:09:35,340 --> 00:09:38,880 timeline, which I found to be a lot and I didn't know that I 166 00:09:38,880 --> 00:09:40,470 can't really find a 167 00:09:41,190 --> 00:09:43,860 I'm actually seeing this now on ours. I just searched for add 168 00:09:43,860 --> 00:09:47,280 podcast index. Org. Yeah. And I'm seeing a whole bunch of 169 00:09:47,280 --> 00:09:49,230 stuff I haven't seen before Exactly. 170 00:09:49,410 --> 00:09:52,170 And I don't it doesn't seem to be related to number of 171 00:09:52,170 --> 00:09:56,610 followers. I just don't know maybe people have a flag or I 172 00:09:56,640 --> 00:09:59,490 you know, but it's it was a little jarring because I had no 173 00:09:59,490 --> 00:10:02,790 idea that that was taking place. I figured, well, I mean, yeah, 174 00:10:02,820 --> 00:10:06,240 sure, some people I may not show up on my regular timeline. But 175 00:10:06,240 --> 00:10:09,840 if you're tagging me at Adam curry, which you think it would 176 00:10:09,840 --> 00:10:12,510 show up? Yeah, so that was a little. And we talked about 177 00:10:12,540 --> 00:10:15,390 Elon, and about what I think he's doing what he's actually 178 00:10:15,390 --> 00:10:19,590 publicly said that he wants to Twitter to be your wallet, you 179 00:10:19,590 --> 00:10:23,730 know, the WeChat. And everything is SOS. So I got some hate. Some 180 00:10:23,760 --> 00:10:28,530 Elon haters are haters on me because I love Elon. But at a 181 00:10:28,530 --> 00:10:32,340 certain point, when we were talking about podcasting, and 182 00:10:32,340 --> 00:10:35,700 Joe says, it's really hard to break into podcasts, so many of 183 00:10:35,700 --> 00:10:38,190 them. I said, well, that number is a little disputed. He said, 184 00:10:38,220 --> 00:10:42,420 What do you mean? I said, I don't want to disparage anyone 185 00:10:42,420 --> 00:10:45,900 you might have a relationship with a business relationship 186 00:10:45,900 --> 00:10:48,870 says, I don't give a shit. I have no relationship to numbers 187 00:10:49,230 --> 00:10:53,310 to Okay. Well anchor which Spotify bought, has created a 188 00:10:53,310 --> 00:10:55,980 bunch of shit. And they put that into Spotify. And they claim 189 00:10:55,980 --> 00:10:59,190 they got over 5 million podcasts. And we sift through 190 00:10:59,190 --> 00:11:01,650 that stuff. And it turns out, there's at least a million a 191 00:11:01,650 --> 00:11:07,080 million a half that can just be disregarded. Yeah. And I was 192 00:11:07,080 --> 00:11:11,820 kind of proud that we got that out. We got that out. It was 193 00:11:11,820 --> 00:11:12,870 kind of cool, though. 194 00:11:13,199 --> 00:11:17,309 Well, the latest happenings at Spotify. Yeah, knowing what's 195 00:11:17,309 --> 00:11:22,409 going on. Yeah, that that just reiterates that anchor has to be 196 00:11:22,439 --> 00:11:24,599 they have to be a goner. 197 00:11:24,990 --> 00:11:27,930 Well, there's, there's a lot more going on. I mean, the whole 198 00:11:27,930 --> 00:11:31,770 industry has problems. And let's just get through it right now, 199 00:11:31,800 --> 00:11:35,250 because I did make some notes about this. And I want to make 200 00:11:35,250 --> 00:11:42,300 it clear that people who say James, that this is the that 201 00:11:42,300 --> 00:11:46,920 this is the stock market, market stock market is doing this, I 202 00:11:46,920 --> 00:11:48,210 need to set you straight. 203 00:11:48,660 --> 00:11:51,780 I have that on my notes I have the James stock market is the 204 00:11:51,780 --> 00:11:52,230 Tokyo 205 00:11:52,830 --> 00:11:57,120 Stock market is not like some ominous thing that controls the 206 00:11:57,120 --> 00:12:01,170 company. No, the stock market is people who own pieces of these 207 00:12:01,170 --> 00:12:05,370 companies. And the more pieces you own, the more you can get on 208 00:12:05,370 --> 00:12:08,370 the board, the more influence you can have. Once you take your 209 00:12:08,370 --> 00:12:12,510 company public, then you live or die by your investors, which are 210 00:12:12,510 --> 00:12:15,930 now many more, and they can punish you in different ways by 211 00:12:15,930 --> 00:12:20,190 selling your stock which really hurts the company. And the main 212 00:12:20,190 --> 00:12:23,970 way that hurts the company is people are given options as part 213 00:12:23,970 --> 00:12:27,510 of their compensation package. And I've run my took my company 214 00:12:27,510 --> 00:12:30,840 public ran it I know all the things that go on all the all 215 00:12:30,840 --> 00:12:34,890 the tips and tricks, even how the stock prices are manipulated 216 00:12:34,890 --> 00:12:37,950 and what it does to a culture inside a company when the stock 217 00:12:37,950 --> 00:12:42,450 price drops. Now this is across the board, I might add that no 218 00:12:42,450 --> 00:12:46,500 all stocks everything has dropped to 60 70% over the past 219 00:12:46,860 --> 00:12:51,870 year or so. But there's something else that needs to be 220 00:12:51,870 --> 00:12:54,870 understood about Spotify. Spotify did not have a 221 00:12:54,870 --> 00:13:00,570 traditional IPO. They didn't go public with an underwriter. They 222 00:13:00,600 --> 00:13:04,740 they were one of the outside of Google but they did this as 223 00:13:04,740 --> 00:13:09,120 well. They did a Dutch auction, where you you just appear you 224 00:13:09,120 --> 00:13:13,380 just you you go public, but without an underwriter and what 225 00:13:13,380 --> 00:13:17,460 that does, it enables everybody who invested early. And when I 226 00:13:17,460 --> 00:13:20,610 say invested a lot of people, you know they raised a billion 227 00:13:20,610 --> 00:13:24,930 dollars here they raised $400 million there. Everybody who had 228 00:13:24,930 --> 00:13:30,390 stock got out immediately at the opening price. That is typically 229 00:13:30,480 --> 00:13:34,500 when you go public. If you're an insider, and you hold stock, you 230 00:13:34,500 --> 00:13:36,990 have to hold on for lockup period, which could be three 231 00:13:36,990 --> 00:13:39,300 months, six months, etc. 232 00:13:39,840 --> 00:13:45,360 As an IPO, you don't have to do that. Well, yeah, well, if you 233 00:13:45,360 --> 00:13:47,430 don't if you don't have those, those contracts, and 234 00:13:47,460 --> 00:13:50,730 it's called the direct listing, and so also not having an 235 00:13:50,730 --> 00:13:55,530 underwriter means it doesn't cost 5% of the money you raise. 236 00:13:55,650 --> 00:13:58,380 So they didn't really raise anything with going public, all 237 00:13:58,380 --> 00:14:02,340 they did was making their investors record companies 238 00:14:02,820 --> 00:14:06,840 making those investors very rich right off the bat. And then they 239 00:14:06,840 --> 00:14:11,760 and they have 00 power over their inventory. They do not 240 00:14:11,760 --> 00:14:17,100 control the pricing of the of the music licensing. And, and 241 00:14:17,190 --> 00:14:22,290 and when you have no control over your cost of goods, you're 242 00:14:22,290 --> 00:14:25,980 always going to be a slave to the people who deliver the goods 243 00:14:25,980 --> 00:14:30,900 which are the, the labels and the publishers. Subsequently, 244 00:14:30,900 --> 00:14:36,390 they also, I think, pay the lowest amount of royalty to two 245 00:14:36,390 --> 00:14:39,120 artists, which is you know, it's kind of a new category of 246 00:14:39,150 --> 00:14:42,180 artists. If you didn't weren't a writer or musician or composer. 247 00:14:43,050 --> 00:14:45,180 You are, I would say writer composer, you wouldn't get 248 00:14:45,180 --> 00:14:48,840 anything other than the deal you made with the publisher ie your 249 00:14:48,840 --> 00:14:53,310 record company. So, you know, let's just remind each other or 250 00:14:53,310 --> 00:14:57,300 everybody that this is why Spotify went into podcasting 251 00:14:57,300 --> 00:15:00,000 because they thought, Oh, this is a popular thing. It's all 252 00:15:00,000 --> 00:15:04,710 Audio, we can easily combine that. And well, we can we free 253 00:15:04,710 --> 00:15:07,620 we can grab it, we can grab all the content which, you know, 254 00:15:08,460 --> 00:15:12,990 which they did liberally. Which is fine. I mean, I don't mind a 255 00:15:12,990 --> 00:15:16,770 podcast app having my podcast but not if not if there's 256 00:15:16,770 --> 00:15:19,050 stipulations they can do whatever they want with it. No, 257 00:15:19,080 --> 00:15:22,110 I'll take that back. And I actually had to get messy with 258 00:15:22,110 --> 00:15:24,390 them. So I'm gonna sue you if you don't take the shit off and 259 00:15:24,390 --> 00:15:28,260 never sign anything. I don't want it right now for all my 260 00:15:28,260 --> 00:15:33,960 shows. The so they they were thinking they could control the 261 00:15:33,960 --> 00:15:38,610 price. And then and I met Sam Seth, he had a great analogy 262 00:15:38,610 --> 00:15:41,700 said, this is kind of like, you know, Dawn Ostroff, who 263 00:15:41,700 --> 00:15:45,330 apparently was making $9 million a year. She's the one that set 264 00:15:45,330 --> 00:15:48,660 up the initial big content deals with the Obamas with Kim 265 00:15:48,660 --> 00:15:52,560 Kardashian with Joe Rogan. Yeah, that's a total Hollywood play. 266 00:15:52,560 --> 00:15:55,740 It's at Hollywood player. And it's completely analogous to 267 00:15:55,740 --> 00:16:01,680 Terry Semel, who came in to turn Yahoo from a directory listing, 268 00:16:01,710 --> 00:16:05,430 in essence, to a media company, you know, Yahoo had Yahoo mail 269 00:16:05,430 --> 00:16:07,890 they had, I think Yahoo financial is still pretty 270 00:16:07,890 --> 00:16:12,330 popular. But yeah, sports, yes. But they, they fizzled out. I 271 00:16:12,330 --> 00:16:17,190 mean, it never became the the Hollywood powerhouse that it was 272 00:16:17,190 --> 00:16:19,230 supposed to be. And there was more than Terry Semel, there 273 00:16:19,230 --> 00:16:24,450 were a couple of Wait, Melissa, Marissa Meyer from from Google, 274 00:16:24,480 --> 00:16:27,300 she went in there for $100 million. And whoa, I'll take 275 00:16:27,300 --> 00:16:30,600 care. So it's very hard to do these things, if you have a 276 00:16:30,600 --> 00:16:37,290 Hollywood mindset, or a Hollywood approach. And I put a 277 00:16:37,290 --> 00:16:41,850 number of articles into the so first of all this going direct 278 00:16:41,850 --> 00:16:45,240 and not with an initial public offering, means you have no 279 00:16:45,240 --> 00:16:47,730 underwriter. So there is literally no one to support your 280 00:16:47,730 --> 00:16:53,040 stock. So an underwriters job, part of the fee that they get 281 00:16:53,190 --> 00:16:57,780 is, if the price starts to go down, which makes, you know, 282 00:16:57,780 --> 00:17:01,980 that could result in a lot of people selling and all kinds of 283 00:17:02,010 --> 00:17:07,560 nasty stuff. It is their job to, to prop that up. By buying 284 00:17:07,560 --> 00:17:09,780 stock, people are saying they'll buy, they'll buy in there, hold 285 00:17:09,780 --> 00:17:10,650 the buy and hold. 286 00:17:10,830 --> 00:17:13,020 I mean, it's a whole they buffer, they buffer it 287 00:17:13,590 --> 00:17:17,370 as best they can. But they also help you do secondary raises, 288 00:17:17,370 --> 00:17:21,060 and you know, you need money. And as we know, Spotify has 289 00:17:21,090 --> 00:17:26,010 really not turned a profit. And now they're being punished for 290 00:17:26,010 --> 00:17:30,510 it, as are all these companies. And the main reason is, in order 291 00:17:30,510 --> 00:17:33,480 to get money is just more expensive. We've been down we've 292 00:17:33,510 --> 00:17:38,280 discussed this several times. The gross margins are not there. 293 00:17:38,280 --> 00:17:39,600 I mean, it's not 294 00:17:39,930 --> 00:17:44,760 Disney is my understanding of Spotify has contracts. And 295 00:17:44,760 --> 00:17:49,410 everything are that, that they are structured so that the more 296 00:17:49,410 --> 00:17:53,460 revenue and the more the more premium. The more listeners and 297 00:17:53,460 --> 00:17:58,080 the more revenue they make their their payouts to the record 298 00:17:58,080 --> 00:18:00,930 company to the major record levels levels go up commensurate 299 00:18:00,930 --> 00:18:04,770 with that. So it doesn't make they're not they can't escape 300 00:18:04,770 --> 00:18:08,040 their current profit margin, if they're if they're at 25%. 301 00:18:08,310 --> 00:18:11,190 They'll never get above that correct. It's just always always 302 00:18:11,190 --> 00:18:13,860 goes up in lockstep with whatever they do. And this is 303 00:18:13,860 --> 00:18:18,390 their only escape hatch was to make more money through podcast 304 00:18:18,390 --> 00:18:22,200 advertising, because this just getting more premium subscribers 305 00:18:22,650 --> 00:18:27,810 through podcasts doesn't help you with your main with your 306 00:18:27,810 --> 00:18:30,900 main expense, which is record labels. Because the more because 307 00:18:30,900 --> 00:18:33,660 the more subscribers you have, the higher your fees, go to the 308 00:18:33,660 --> 00:18:37,170 record label. So you, you have to make up the difference. You 309 00:18:37,170 --> 00:18:40,020 have to increase your profit margin, there's only one way and 310 00:18:40,020 --> 00:18:42,870 that's through increased advertising rates. And they 311 00:18:42,870 --> 00:18:46,920 can't they just seem unable own podcasts. I mean, so they they 312 00:18:46,920 --> 00:18:49,500 seem unable to make that happen. 313 00:18:49,680 --> 00:18:54,630 Well, there's a second A second issue is they are pretty much 314 00:18:54,630 --> 00:18:59,490 locked into their subscription price. Because there's so much 315 00:18:59,490 --> 00:19:03,000 competition, people will jump if they because really they need to 316 00:19:03,000 --> 00:19:06,990 raise that by $1 at least probably more just for inflation 317 00:19:07,020 --> 00:19:07,590 alone. 318 00:19:08,279 --> 00:19:10,859 And instantly, you'd have millions of people bail to Apple 319 00:19:10,859 --> 00:19:12,599 Music or something like that, or 320 00:19:12,630 --> 00:19:17,190 whatever, or whatever. They also treat the artists like shit 321 00:19:17,640 --> 00:19:21,300 historically, you know, the record companies, they can just 322 00:19:21,960 --> 00:19:25,230 screw it, I'll just take it off, you know, hey, Taylor Swift made 323 00:19:25,230 --> 00:19:28,260 them pay, you know, there was there was this they have they'd 324 00:19:28,260 --> 00:19:34,170 have no power. And let's just be honest, the podcast industrial 325 00:19:34,170 --> 00:19:37,650 complex does not there's just not enough money in it. And now 326 00:19:37,650 --> 00:19:43,950 we have the perfect storm where advertising is is going down. 327 00:19:44,310 --> 00:19:50,580 But I realized as Joe and I were talking that tick tock which and 328 00:19:50,580 --> 00:19:55,530 it is my opinion that tick tock is is is under attack right now. 329 00:19:55,560 --> 00:19:58,590 Not because they're their American company. They use 330 00:19:59,280 --> 00:20:03,150 Chinese Technology and I'm sure that there's all kinds of stuff 331 00:20:03,150 --> 00:20:06,690 being tracked and I'm sure their algos are unhealthy. Yeah, like 332 00:20:06,720 --> 00:20:11,220 Instagram isn't unhealthy. Or like Facebook isn't it doesn't 333 00:20:11,220 --> 00:20:16,050 have unhealthy algorithms but tick tock has been eating their 334 00:20:16,050 --> 00:20:22,440 advertising lunch. And Tiktok also has a blanket license fee 335 00:20:23,130 --> 00:20:27,600 as a blanket license. They can so they they are now a music app 336 00:20:27,600 --> 00:20:32,100 as well. And Sony has a direct relation to Sony Music has a 337 00:20:32,100 --> 00:20:33,480 direct relationship with them. 338 00:20:33,510 --> 00:20:35,760 Does Sony Music own any of Tik Tok? 339 00:20:35,790 --> 00:20:38,250 I don't think they own any epically. But they have a 340 00:20:38,250 --> 00:20:42,480 partnership, which means they're making a lot of money. If you 341 00:20:42,480 --> 00:20:45,990 look at the music industry, it is tick tock right now, it's not 342 00:20:45,990 --> 00:20:49,590 Spotify, it's not Apple Music. It's not Facebook, even though 343 00:20:49,590 --> 00:20:53,130 all of those players have licenses for streaming and for 344 00:20:53,130 --> 00:20:58,410 streaming music. Every artist and I've I know some but I've 345 00:20:58,410 --> 00:21:02,760 heard them all say I gotta be on Tik. Even Hollywood movies, you 346 00:21:02,760 --> 00:21:07,020 gotta be on tick tock. So all the licensing and everything is 347 00:21:07,020 --> 00:21:11,400 going to tick tock and that is where a lot of the advertising 348 00:21:11,400 --> 00:21:14,850 is going, including podcast advertising, because that's 349 00:21:14,850 --> 00:21:18,480 where the people are. And there was someone sent me a really 350 00:21:18,480 --> 00:21:25,800 interesting metric. Do you know why? We can know that tick tock 351 00:21:25,830 --> 00:21:29,760 is crushing it versus everybody else. And mind you discuss this 352 00:21:29,790 --> 00:21:36,900 on with Joe as well. That Tiktok is also devaluing Google search. 353 00:21:37,920 --> 00:21:42,660 Because people go to Tik Tok to search for stuff. What's a great 354 00:21:42,660 --> 00:21:46,380 restaurant in Austin. And you'll see, instead of getting a list 355 00:21:46,380 --> 00:21:49,530 of links, which are ads, and you know, you have to go to page 356 00:21:49,530 --> 00:21:53,820 three to get some real opinions. You get whatever tick tock spits 357 00:21:53,820 --> 00:21:56,010 out, but it's Hey, look at this great restaurant. Everyone's so 358 00:21:56,010 --> 00:22:01,080 creative. Here we are. That's how people search for stuff 359 00:22:01,080 --> 00:22:06,240 these days. It's no longer, you know, and chat GPT is is kind of 360 00:22:06,240 --> 00:22:10,380 an outgrowth of that problem. But the way you can know that 361 00:22:10,380 --> 00:22:15,390 Tiktok is crushing it is by looking at the layoffs. They've 362 00:22:15,390 --> 00:22:20,130 done. Oh, I'm sorry. None, none that I can find. I'm sure I'm 363 00:22:20,130 --> 00:22:25,290 sure at some point. But even I found a link here. This is from 364 00:22:25,320 --> 00:22:30,060 December last year, so just about two months ago. Where is 365 00:22:30,060 --> 00:22:36,000 it? That's a different one. As meta and this is from CNN, very 366 00:22:36,000 --> 00:22:40,170 trustworthy, by the way, as meta and Twitter's slash staff tick 367 00:22:40,170 --> 00:22:46,320 tock plans to keep hiring to. So that kind of gives credence to 368 00:22:46,320 --> 00:22:50,370 the idea that advertising and look I'm sure, I'm sure there 369 00:22:50,370 --> 00:22:54,870 are lots of brands that want to advertise on podcast. But if, if 370 00:22:54,870 --> 00:22:58,830 you want your product to work, you have to get your product out 371 00:22:58,830 --> 00:23:02,520 there in front of people. Tik Tok is the place to be. And you 372 00:23:02,520 --> 00:23:05,790 can just ask anybody in the advertising industry. 373 00:23:09,840 --> 00:23:12,930 This is this is interesting. There's a really good, that's a 374 00:23:12,930 --> 00:23:17,070 really good. That's a really good metric that you can 375 00:23:17,070 --> 00:23:20,550 measure. Yeah, that's a good metric. Because there's I 376 00:23:20,550 --> 00:23:22,800 haven't heard anything about problems at tick tock, no 377 00:23:22,800 --> 00:23:26,340 financial problems whatsoever. No. They're I mean, at least I 378 00:23:26,340 --> 00:23:28,860 mean, there doesn't mean there's not any but there, you would 379 00:23:28,860 --> 00:23:31,740 think you would think with the hatred of tick tock right now, 380 00:23:31,740 --> 00:23:34,380 if there was some I mean, it that would be no, there would be 381 00:23:34,380 --> 00:23:35,130 news everywhere. 382 00:23:35,160 --> 00:23:42,300 And so my, my thesis is, since it's a meta and Google and now 383 00:23:42,300 --> 00:23:48,360 whoever else they Google spends hundreds of millions of dollars 384 00:23:48,360 --> 00:23:54,240 on on lobbying politicians. So it's not unthinkable that you 385 00:23:54,240 --> 00:23:57,780 know, that politician Oh, yeah, it's China. Gotta get rid China. 386 00:23:58,170 --> 00:24:01,500 The programming people. I mean, okay. Sure. 387 00:24:02,040 --> 00:24:05,340 I've got to clarify, I've got to clarify what I said. Because I 388 00:24:05,340 --> 00:24:07,050 got a long email from Ryan hice. 389 00:24:08,460 --> 00:24:10,980 This past week, why do I know this name? Tell me Ryan Ryan 390 00:24:10,980 --> 00:24:11,520 Heiser? 391 00:24:11,550 --> 00:24:14,910 Yeah, he's done a lot of transcript work. And he does. 392 00:24:14,910 --> 00:24:18,930 Yeah. So, Ron, good, you know, great developer. Good guy. He 393 00:24:18,930 --> 00:24:21,240 sent me this long email. 394 00:24:22,830 --> 00:24:24,810 About he got let go of modify. 395 00:24:25,980 --> 00:24:29,820 No, no, no. That's a different. No, no, that's Nathan. Nathan. 396 00:24:29,820 --> 00:24:36,750 Right. Yeah. So it Ryan got a sent me a long email about how 397 00:24:37,620 --> 00:24:42,150 seeing that I had misunderstood Google's AI stuff. And how 398 00:24:42,150 --> 00:24:45,480 Google had they had a bunch of great AI in the mix and all that 399 00:24:45,480 --> 00:24:48,300 kind of stuff. The understand how you could have taken it that 400 00:24:48,300 --> 00:24:52,440 way. That is not my point. My point was not let in last week 401 00:24:52,440 --> 00:24:56,250 talking about that was not that Google did not have good AI 402 00:24:56,250 --> 00:25:02,310 juice. No UX juice. Yes. The It's got nothing to do with 403 00:25:02,310 --> 00:25:07,530 their AI. I'm sure they've got top notch AI. They cannot, what 404 00:25:07,530 --> 00:25:12,840 their problem is that they're still there their main product 405 00:25:12,840 --> 00:25:17,160 their cash cow. They're certain they're good the google.com I'm 406 00:25:17,160 --> 00:25:23,730 feeling lucky search page is, is, is inadequate. It does not 407 00:25:23,730 --> 00:25:28,020 function right. For today it like it's being left behind. 408 00:25:28,320 --> 00:25:34,140 They're not. And honestly, there's an outside of like it 409 00:25:34,800 --> 00:25:38,730 and the more technical people, I don't see a lot of people using 410 00:25:38,730 --> 00:25:43,230 the Google Search anyway, like going to google.com and doing a 411 00:25:43,230 --> 00:25:43,710 search. 412 00:25:43,740 --> 00:25:46,680 I mean, I've been, I've been using Neva, which is a paid 413 00:25:46,680 --> 00:25:50,850 search engine run by former Google Search guys. And it costs 414 00:25:50,850 --> 00:25:57,720 $5 a month. And they they just added a chat GPT like interface. 415 00:25:58,260 --> 00:26:01,920 I said, Oh, you want that. Okay, and so but they show oh, here's 416 00:26:01,920 --> 00:26:05,160 the force, or the four or five sources this answer came from, 417 00:26:05,370 --> 00:26:09,090 and it spits out an answer in English. And it's like, oh, wow, 418 00:26:09,090 --> 00:26:12,150 that's really exciting. I mean, it's just links, but they 419 00:26:12,150 --> 00:26:15,930 connected it with words. And you know, they've gotten reasonable 420 00:26:15,930 --> 00:26:19,920 AI, they're just quicker to implement it. But it's, it's all 421 00:26:19,920 --> 00:26:23,280 a UX thing. It's not necessarily the technology behind it is I 422 00:26:23,280 --> 00:26:24,300 think that's what you're saying. 423 00:26:24,600 --> 00:26:27,780 Yes, sir. Search is going to search is going to become a 424 00:26:27,780 --> 00:26:33,480 commodity. Like now I'm having a hard time thinking of example, I 425 00:26:33,480 --> 00:26:33,810 mean, 426 00:26:34,650 --> 00:26:38,610 the same way Tik Tok is searched now that it's, you could Yes, 427 00:26:38,610 --> 00:26:41,670 you can push it all you want. But if people are using it, 428 00:26:41,670 --> 00:26:44,310 people are using Tiktok. To search you can jump up and down 429 00:26:44,310 --> 00:26:46,620 and say you're not searching, right. But that's not going to 430 00:26:46,620 --> 00:26:48,240 stop people from using it. 431 00:26:48,930 --> 00:26:55,020 You end up going to Google for searching things like you know, 432 00:26:55,020 --> 00:27:00,900 some topic that's for a book report or you trying to find, 433 00:27:01,200 --> 00:27:06,360 you know, my my iPad, my iPhone, how to how to reboot iPhone, 434 00:27:06,360 --> 00:27:09,840 which button combination, they I mean, things like that. And then 435 00:27:09,840 --> 00:27:13,740 you you find the first page of links is mostly crap and 436 00:27:13,740 --> 00:27:17,610 irrelevant. And it's just, I don't know, it's just the more 437 00:27:17,610 --> 00:27:21,390 it's pushing. Google's crap search is now pushing everybody 438 00:27:21,390 --> 00:27:26,430 in. It's pushing everybody into other areas of, of search surge 439 00:27:26,730 --> 00:27:29,700 in it, they're there if they don't change that. They're 440 00:27:29,700 --> 00:27:32,580 screwed. That I mean, they're there because they don't have 441 00:27:32,580 --> 00:27:37,170 another cat. They don't have another money cow. In the mix at 442 00:27:37,200 --> 00:27:41,250 what you were talking about the Tick Tock I get. I sort of went 443 00:27:41,250 --> 00:27:42,600 down a little bit of a rabbit hole when 444 00:27:43,260 --> 00:27:43,770 you're talking 445 00:27:45,480 --> 00:27:51,630 with David Cohen, from IB, he's evidently co CEO of IB. And 446 00:27:52,500 --> 00:27:53,130 they're like, 447 00:27:53,730 --> 00:27:57,690 I he is an Interactive Advertising Bureau, I think is 448 00:27:57,690 --> 00:27:58,170 what say, 449 00:27:58,170 --> 00:28:01,500 Yes, he does. Right. Yeah. And they do the podcasts, you know, 450 00:28:01,500 --> 00:28:01,950 download 451 00:28:02,130 --> 00:28:05,070 down. Oh, good. I have a clip that'll fit with this. I'm sure 452 00:28:05,070 --> 00:28:06,720 but okay. Really? Yeah. 453 00:28:08,250 --> 00:28:11,430 Yeah, is what does, yeah. So they're, they're the ones that 454 00:28:11,430 --> 00:28:15,150 dropped their fees from like, 50 grand to $12,000. In the first 455 00:28:15,150 --> 00:28:15,900 certifying 456 00:28:15,930 --> 00:28:22,350 every hosting company search or metrics as approved. Yes. Which 457 00:28:22,350 --> 00:28:25,470 is very, it's very complicated compliance, right, very 458 00:28:25,470 --> 00:28:29,220 complicated. And which, of course, is being crushed in a 459 00:28:29,220 --> 00:28:33,660 way by Spurlock's op three, op three, yeah, absolutely. 460 00:28:33,660 --> 00:28:38,520 crushing it. You got a guy who can afford a server? You can 461 00:28:40,320 --> 00:28:44,790 you can, you can crank it up with David Cohen, I be staring 462 00:28:44,790 --> 00:28:48,450 down the barrel. And I think we can talk like a little bit about 463 00:28:48,660 --> 00:28:51,240 clearly what the feelings are at the IB, 464 00:28:51,510 --> 00:28:55,140 several areas of focus. For ALM I think you mentioned before 465 00:28:55,140 --> 00:28:56,430 privacy and addressability. 466 00:28:56,460 --> 00:28:58,290 What's ALM? Do we know what ALM is, 467 00:28:58,560 --> 00:29:00,870 that is the name of their marketing conferences to 468 00:29:00,870 --> 00:29:02,070 advertising. 469 00:29:02,370 --> 00:29:03,900 Lying marketer. Let 470 00:29:03,930 --> 00:29:06,810 Liz Williams machines are 471 00:29:06,960 --> 00:29:10,500 several areas of focus. For ALM I think you mentioned before 472 00:29:10,500 --> 00:29:13,590 privacy and addressability is clearly one of them that we're 473 00:29:13,800 --> 00:29:16,470 you know, we're facing down the barrel of five state laws coming 474 00:29:16,470 --> 00:29:20,700 into effect in 2023. National privacy reform made some 475 00:29:20,700 --> 00:29:22,770 progress this year, but we'll probably going to take that up 476 00:29:22,770 --> 00:29:26,970 again in the next Congress. The future of kind of the the 477 00:29:27,000 --> 00:29:30,510 streaming world, both audio and video, we call that kind of 478 00:29:30,810 --> 00:29:33,510 flexibility and fluidity, blurring the lines between 479 00:29:33,510 --> 00:29:36,240 awareness and demand. You know, historically, we've thought 480 00:29:36,240 --> 00:29:40,410 about, you know, lead generation focused activities and brand 481 00:29:40,410 --> 00:29:43,770 focus, we think that there's a blurring of the lines. So 482 00:29:43,770 --> 00:29:47,370 there'll be a track focused on that. We're gonna talk about 483 00:29:47,370 --> 00:29:50,820 trust and transparency and humanity in the digital 484 00:29:50,820 --> 00:29:53,400 ecosystem. We're going to talk about recalibrating measurement 485 00:29:53,400 --> 00:29:57,210 and attribution. So streaming is clearly an area we're also going 486 00:29:57,210 --> 00:29:59,970 to be talking about, kind of where is this industry going? 487 00:30:00,690 --> 00:30:05,010 You know, what? Where does web three? Where do NF T's? Where 488 00:30:05,010 --> 00:30:08,760 does the metaverse AR and VR fit in? And how can we give some 489 00:30:08,760 --> 00:30:13,080 practical and pragmatic suggestions for where marketers 490 00:30:13,080 --> 00:30:16,050 should be putting their money? So there's no doubt as you said, 491 00:30:16,050 --> 00:30:20,460 streaming is, is a key part of that. But one of many things 492 00:30:20,460 --> 00:30:21,450 that we're going to be talking about. 493 00:30:22,560 --> 00:30:26,400 So what do you think when you hear just that this there was 494 00:30:26,460 --> 00:30:29,700 there was no recording by design? They did not let they 495 00:30:29,700 --> 00:30:34,560 did not stream or record the conference this year for the, to 496 00:30:34,560 --> 00:30:37,680 my knowledge for the first time, they did not make it available 497 00:30:37,680 --> 00:30:43,650 for streaming. It was in person only. And he even says, but but 498 00:30:43,650 --> 00:30:46,740 I got a transcript of his keynote speech. He opened it. 499 00:30:46,770 --> 00:30:47,730 Oh, that's 500 00:30:47,730 --> 00:30:51,540 what the it of course, people should know that when Dave sends 501 00:30:51,540 --> 00:30:54,570 me stuff, I don't listen. I don't look if it's a picture and 502 00:30:54,570 --> 00:30:57,960 I did not look but a C colon IAB speech dot txt. Okay, what's in? 503 00:30:57,990 --> 00:31:00,960 Yes. Can we publish this? That's probably illegal. 504 00:31:01,559 --> 00:31:05,069 Well, somebody, somebody put it on a Google Doc. There's a link 505 00:31:05,069 --> 00:31:07,349 to that. We can just link to the google ca. Yeah, I won't be 506 00:31:07,349 --> 00:31:11,009 careful. Yeah, yeah, we should link to the Google Doc. But 507 00:31:12,119 --> 00:31:14,909 anyway, he just said, I think no, I think it was requested. I 508 00:31:14,909 --> 00:31:17,729 think somebody requested it. And the IB sent them the text of the 509 00:31:17,729 --> 00:31:19,559 speech. So I think that's what that Google Doc is. 510 00:31:20,160 --> 00:31:23,610 But the word podcast does not show up in the transcript. No, 511 00:31:23,610 --> 00:31:23,700 it 512 00:31:23,700 --> 00:31:28,770 does not. And I can tell you why. And I think you understand 513 00:31:28,770 --> 00:31:31,680 from the earliest, I think you may agree with me from listening 514 00:31:31,680 --> 00:31:34,860 to that, to his preview of what they're going to be talking 515 00:31:34,860 --> 00:31:39,630 about there. I think they're, they're terrified of regulation. 516 00:31:40,710 --> 00:31:44,550 And they have no idea what to do. Those are my two doesn't 517 00:31:44,550 --> 00:31:44,640 have 518 00:31:44,640 --> 00:31:47,280 to take away what are the what regulation are they terrified 519 00:31:47,310 --> 00:31:53,550 of? Well, he thought this this, this speech was very, very 520 00:31:53,550 --> 00:31:56,910 interesting. He says, I'm going to talk about three big things 521 00:31:56,910 --> 00:31:59,400 this year. And if you remember nothing else, I want you these 522 00:31:59,400 --> 00:32:03,810 to be your major takeaways. And so take away one, extremists are 523 00:32:03,810 --> 00:32:06,690 winning the battle for hearts and minds in Washington, DC and 524 00:32:06,690 --> 00:32:09,780 beyond. We cannot let that happen. Oh, sure. School 525 00:32:09,780 --> 00:32:12,600 Republicans is what he just said. No, no, no, no, he's no, 526 00:32:12,600 --> 00:32:14,760 he's called him. He's calling. He's calling everybody out. He 527 00:32:14,760 --> 00:32:19,200 says, if you ask Assad rums and Ollie, former Red legislative 528 00:32:19,200 --> 00:32:21,810 assistant to democratic California representative Anna 529 00:32:21,810 --> 00:32:24,630 issue, and current Chief of Staff for the White House, 530 00:32:24,840 --> 00:32:28,500 Office of Science and Technology Policy, digital ads are, quote, 531 00:32:28,800 --> 00:32:31,800 a means for misinformation and insightful speech to proliferate 532 00:32:31,800 --> 00:32:37,320 and hurt people. Unquote. Okay, he throws Amy Klobuchar under 533 00:32:37,320 --> 00:32:41,400 the bus to Cruz. He's throwing everybody under the bus that 534 00:32:41,400 --> 00:32:44,700 they get. And he's he goes over here and he also calls out 535 00:32:47,010 --> 00:32:52,710 accountable tech. He says, just look at the venomous accusations 536 00:32:52,710 --> 00:32:56,580 leveled at us by accountable tech, one of the more virulent 537 00:32:56,700 --> 00:32:59,310 anti advertising groups trying to shut down the ad supported 538 00:32:59,310 --> 00:33:02,760 internet. Yeah, they say digital advertising has a toxic business 539 00:33:02,760 --> 00:33:06,090 model that exists to quote exploit users and businesses at 540 00:33:06,090 --> 00:33:09,780 tremendous societal cost. Accountable tech is no organic, 541 00:33:09,810 --> 00:33:12,930 organic grassroots effort, led by concerned citizens it's an 542 00:33:12,930 --> 00:33:15,990 arm of a for profit, multi million billion dollar 543 00:33:15,990 --> 00:33:19,740 Washington lobbying group named Arabella Advisors, a group, The 544 00:33:19,740 --> 00:33:23,040 Atlantic calls, quote, The mothership of progressive dark 545 00:33:23,040 --> 00:33:27,570 money. Okay. Yeah. And so he could I mean, he's like, they're 546 00:33:27,870 --> 00:33:33,240 the half literally half of this speech, if not more, is about 547 00:33:33,930 --> 00:33:38,580 the dangers of legislation that's going to curtail digital 548 00:33:38,580 --> 00:33:39,450 ad tracking. 549 00:33:40,770 --> 00:33:45,450 Well, not just that, I would argue that from day one, just 550 00:33:45,450 --> 00:33:49,140 everyone realizes podcasts. index.org was set up to thwart 551 00:33:49,470 --> 00:33:52,410 any Silicon Valley company that thought that they could own the 552 00:33:52,410 --> 00:33:55,710 index to podcasting and take stuff out whenever they felt 553 00:33:55,710 --> 00:34:00,210 like it. The second part of what we did is the value for value 554 00:34:00,390 --> 00:34:03,450 streaming, streaming payments and the Boosted board, the 555 00:34:03,450 --> 00:34:05,640 booster grams actually grew out of it. That was the that was 556 00:34:05,640 --> 00:34:10,590 part of the beauty of, of the project. But we've always said, 557 00:34:11,130 --> 00:34:16,290 advertising is censorship and what you see continuously with 558 00:34:16,290 --> 00:34:19,080 different so there's also legislation in there not just 559 00:34:19,080 --> 00:34:22,470 for tracking but for hate speech, and for all other 560 00:34:22,560 --> 00:34:28,530 variations of speech suppression. That I think that 561 00:34:28,560 --> 00:34:34,950 it's used as a wedge by groups all over the spectrum, to shut 562 00:34:34,950 --> 00:34:40,350 people up or shut down platforms by by removing their adverts or 563 00:34:40,350 --> 00:34:43,350 taking away their lifeblood, which is advertising. And the 564 00:34:43,350 --> 00:34:49,650 way you do that is say, That guy's a racist, you know, and if 565 00:34:49,650 --> 00:34:53,760 I'll just interrupt for 48 seconds to prove my point. This 566 00:34:53,760 --> 00:34:56,700 is from the World Economic Forum ratioed Edelman Edelman 567 00:34:56,730 --> 00:35:01,080 worldwide is a huge marketing PR firm And here's what he had to 568 00:35:01,080 --> 00:35:02,190 say he's the CEO. 569 00:35:02,760 --> 00:35:06,390 So I think the first thing that because I mostly work with 570 00:35:06,390 --> 00:35:12,090 business that business needs to do is deprive platforms that 571 00:35:12,090 --> 00:35:17,910 spread disinformation of oxygen, stop advertising, pull your 572 00:35:17,910 --> 00:35:21,180 promotion money, make sure that they understand that they have a 573 00:35:21,180 --> 00:35:27,630 consequential impact on society. And the boycott of Twitter for 574 00:35:27,660 --> 00:35:34,770 several months has had a modest, modest impact. But I think the 575 00:35:34,800 --> 00:35:40,740 Facebook one failed. And, but the necessity of getting it 576 00:35:40,740 --> 00:35:44,310 right in the platforms that are probably primary source 577 00:35:44,310 --> 00:35:50,460 information for the third to 40% of people is urgent. 578 00:35:51,330 --> 00:35:56,130 So it's not bashful about it. Yeah, just political means or 579 00:35:56,130 --> 00:36:01,620 whatever reason he has. We're just gonna pull up advertising 580 00:36:01,680 --> 00:36:04,200 to force people into compliance. 581 00:36:05,039 --> 00:36:10,049 Yeah, it's giants. But at the data, like institutionalized 582 00:36:10,049 --> 00:36:14,699 now, oh, yeah. Yeah, so but the one thing that this guy hates 583 00:36:14,699 --> 00:36:20,279 more than anything? Is Apple. Man, this guy hates apple. Why? 584 00:36:20,339 --> 00:36:21,419 I mean, wow. 585 00:36:21,480 --> 00:36:24,240 Oh, because they turn off a whole bunch of tracking things. 586 00:36:24,630 --> 00:36:27,360 Yeah, it's I mean, listen, this. We have to take on the 587 00:36:27,360 --> 00:36:30,480 extremists if we want to survive, but there are also 588 00:36:30,480 --> 00:36:34,110 quote, enemies within and that starts with Apple. After years 589 00:36:34,110 --> 00:36:36,330 of failing to build a significant market for ads and 590 00:36:36,330 --> 00:36:40,110 Apple Music in Apple TV and on the iPhone. Apple has decided 591 00:36:40,110 --> 00:36:42,840 the next best thing is to stop anyone else from making money in 592 00:36:42,840 --> 00:36:46,950 advertising. That's why they are the poison apple. Apple's App 593 00:36:46,950 --> 00:36:50,790 Tracking transparency vaporized an estimated $9.8 billion of 594 00:36:50,790 --> 00:36:54,030 revenues for Facebook, Twitter, YouTube and snap, according to 595 00:36:54,030 --> 00:36:58,530 the Financial Times. What's more, I be estimates that Apple 596 00:36:58,530 --> 00:37:01,380 single handedly wiped out another six and a half billion 597 00:37:01,620 --> 00:37:04,980 in revenues for publishers on the open web. Apple has dealt a 598 00:37:04,980 --> 00:37:07,710 cruel blow to the millions of companies created off the 599 00:37:07,710 --> 00:37:10,710 backbone of the open internet, including 1000s of small 600 00:37:10,710 --> 00:37:13,830 businesses, and millions of income owner income earning 601 00:37:13,830 --> 00:37:14,400 creators 602 00:37:14,520 --> 00:37:18,420 that's rich. We add track people anymore, Apple was evil. 603 00:37:19,080 --> 00:37:22,470 Apple is anti advertising and public was sales of iPhones 604 00:37:22,470 --> 00:37:25,800 stagnating privately Apple is pitching as to everybody on 605 00:37:25,800 --> 00:37:30,150 Madison Avenue. True. That's true via Apple's aims to lead 606 00:37:30,240 --> 00:37:32,970 Apple's aims to let them expand their advertising business while 607 00:37:32,970 --> 00:37:35,820 rewriting the rulebook. So the rest of the industry can't 608 00:37:35,820 --> 00:37:38,490 compete. Apple will try smothering the advertising 609 00:37:38,490 --> 00:37:40,740 industry just like they did to the record, meet the recorded 610 00:37:40,740 --> 00:37:44,490 music industry. We can't sit back and watch that happen. I 611 00:37:44,490 --> 00:37:47,820 mean, he just goes on and on. I mean, like he's just he's got 612 00:37:47,820 --> 00:37:49,470 another two paragraphs about Apple. 613 00:37:49,740 --> 00:37:52,890 Yeah, well, they the Apple has a lot of power in this regard. And 614 00:37:52,890 --> 00:37:58,590 again, so now it's backfiring on them. You know, I mean, this 615 00:37:58,620 --> 00:38:02,730 none of none of this is surprising to me. And I think 616 00:38:02,760 --> 00:38:05,610 we've been very clear, certainly on this show over and over 617 00:38:05,610 --> 00:38:08,580 again, this is not the way to this is why we set this up is 618 00:38:08,580 --> 00:38:11,670 not the way to go. There's one other thing I want to bring up 619 00:38:12,690 --> 00:38:15,240 when it comes to advertising. And this is something that I 620 00:38:15,240 --> 00:38:24,840 know about. I I knowingly participated in it. Yeah, by not 621 00:38:25,320 --> 00:38:28,920 I left my own company because of it. We put it that way. And that 622 00:38:28,920 --> 00:38:34,890 is that. Yes. And that is a scam that is advertising based upon 623 00:38:34,890 --> 00:38:38,370 views, downloads, streams, whatever you whatever you want 624 00:38:38,370 --> 00:38:44,610 to count. It's it's called arbitrage. And that it worked 625 00:38:44,610 --> 00:38:48,750 really well, when there was lots of money. Just keep saying it. 626 00:38:49,500 --> 00:38:54,210 And interestingly, and I've avoided even paying much 627 00:38:54,210 --> 00:38:58,710 attention to this whole fractus with Steven Crowder and the 628 00:38:58,710 --> 00:39:01,950 daily wire and how much money that we're gonna make or not 629 00:39:01,950 --> 00:39:06,180 make. And it's it's all in fighting. It's all incredibly 630 00:39:06,180 --> 00:39:09,750 boring and boring. Boring is boring. But Steven Crowder 631 00:39:09,750 --> 00:39:12,930 reminded me of something that happens in companies and he's 632 00:39:12,930 --> 00:39:16,680 gonna he's gonna say it's only what he calls big con, but it's 633 00:39:16,710 --> 00:39:20,490 across the board, all technology companies, all media technology 634 00:39:20,490 --> 00:39:22,980 companies. And that's the following that hurts creators in 635 00:39:22,980 --> 00:39:24,660 the same thing, by the way, we're talking about misleading 636 00:39:24,660 --> 00:39:27,450 practices. With sponsors. There's no problem, right? And 637 00:39:27,450 --> 00:39:30,600 this is all publicly verifiable. I want you guys to audit this, 638 00:39:30,600 --> 00:39:32,820 but there don't have to be as many receipts provided. you 639 00:39:32,820 --> 00:39:35,160 market your channel, right. I think we probably have some ads 640 00:39:35,160 --> 00:39:37,740 running right now, like Spotify. Like yeah, if you'd like to show 641 00:39:37,740 --> 00:39:40,470 tune on Spotify. But there's a big difference. We know that 642 00:39:40,470 --> 00:39:42,930 there's a huge prominent industry of pay to play. Now, 643 00:39:42,960 --> 00:39:45,120 you can do that. That's fine. If you want to know your numbers, 644 00:39:45,150 --> 00:39:47,700 but what does that pay to play means that you can buy views, 645 00:39:47,730 --> 00:39:50,340 right, you can pay to play you can run your video as a pre roll 646 00:39:50,340 --> 00:39:53,550 ad and people see that number, but really, a lot of them are 14 647 00:39:53,550 --> 00:39:56,130 Second views eight seconds, but it's still clicks that counter 648 00:39:56,790 --> 00:39:58,710 close is apples to apples comparison that you could do 649 00:39:58,710 --> 00:40:01,050 right now as you can go out and and take like, let's say not 650 00:40:01,080 --> 00:40:03,450 this controversy because there's cross pollination. Okay, so I'm 651 00:40:03,450 --> 00:40:03,990 just going to cut it 652 00:40:03,990 --> 00:40:06,240 off there. And it's linked to bitter, bitter, bitter, bitter, 653 00:40:06,240 --> 00:40:07,680 but I mean, it gets lost so fast. 654 00:40:07,680 --> 00:40:16,800 So the idea is, you buy ads, or clicks or streams or views or 655 00:40:17,010 --> 00:40:23,910 some bullshit in a game that results in a number of one to 656 00:40:23,910 --> 00:40:26,790 10. Whatever is legal IAB, I think it is, you know, was it 657 00:40:26,790 --> 00:40:30,180 one second one minute, whatever it is, is not the full show is 658 00:40:30,180 --> 00:40:32,910 certainly not going to be all the ads. And that counts as a 659 00:40:32,910 --> 00:40:36,120 view or download a stream. I'm just generalizing, we all know 660 00:40:36,120 --> 00:40:39,750 what we're talking about. And you but you, you buy that 661 00:40:40,050 --> 00:40:43,200 interaction, which is not a real person. I mean, it may be a 662 00:40:43,200 --> 00:40:45,720 person but not doing it because they're interested listening and 663 00:40:45,720 --> 00:40:52,860 will hear ads. You do that for $10 per 1000. CPM. And you turn 664 00:40:52,860 --> 00:40:56,850 around and you sell it yourself to show to advertisers for $22. 665 00:40:56,850 --> 00:41:02,280 CPM. And that arbitrage is getting out of whack. That is 666 00:41:02,280 --> 00:41:06,630 awesome. It's well, it's it's really sad it really and it's 667 00:41:06,630 --> 00:41:11,130 funny, because it's so engrained, my my friend over 668 00:41:11,130 --> 00:41:14,940 there to 100% retro, which is the 24 hour streaming station. 669 00:41:15,510 --> 00:41:21,390 He's now he started off doing this expecting to do ads. And I 670 00:41:21,480 --> 00:41:24,840 and I just helped him bootstrap the streaming payments on top of 671 00:41:24,840 --> 00:41:28,860 it. And so he's now he has investors, this is so typical, 672 00:41:29,040 --> 00:41:32,520 he has investors, and most of it's his own money, but he has a 673 00:41:32,520 --> 00:41:35,460 couple of investors. And he needs to show how things are 674 00:41:35,460 --> 00:41:39,120 going. So what he does, he goes to, you know, these are 675 00:41:39,120 --> 00:41:44,190 legitimate firms, and you will spend 3000 euros to show that 676 00:41:44,190 --> 00:41:47,370 you have X amount of people who are listening. And if you sold 677 00:41:47,370 --> 00:41:49,680 that you would have made this much money. I mean, the whole 678 00:41:49,680 --> 00:41:53,130 thing is circular. Now, it there's a there is a fine line 679 00:41:53,130 --> 00:41:58,470 between advertising your station, and getting people who 680 00:41:58,470 --> 00:42:01,290 maybe have an incentive to click on something or incentive to 681 00:42:01,290 --> 00:42:04,110 download something other than I'm interested in this 682 00:42:04,110 --> 00:42:10,200 programming. That, to me is fraudulent. And it's everywhere. 683 00:42:10,200 --> 00:42:17,010 But now it's falling apart. And I think Spotify. Without 684 00:42:17,010 --> 00:42:22,500 argument, there's a lot of shenanigans with streaming 685 00:42:22,500 --> 00:42:26,430 farms, you've seen him with people a whole wall full of cell 686 00:42:26,430 --> 00:42:29,970 phones that are just streaming the same song from different IP 687 00:42:29,970 --> 00:42:34,530 addresses different user accounts. So the music has 688 00:42:34,590 --> 00:42:41,820 totally been skewed. And it's fake. I would argue that many 689 00:42:41,820 --> 00:42:47,670 firms like maybe I heart or podcast, one, or maybe Spotify 690 00:42:47,670 --> 00:42:53,520 themselves with some of their exclusives are in fact, engaging 691 00:42:53,520 --> 00:42:57,840 in this practice as well. And so it's a house of cards, that once 692 00:42:57,900 --> 00:43:01,890 the cheap money dries up, which is now happening is starting to 693 00:43:01,890 --> 00:43:02,550 collapse. 694 00:43:03,540 --> 00:43:07,980 Well, in the you know, it's it's the this goes back to the stock 695 00:43:07,980 --> 00:43:11,100 market issue. I mean, like because the stock market just 696 00:43:11,100 --> 00:43:17,460 responds to the, the financial, the economic climate of, of what 697 00:43:17,460 --> 00:43:21,480 is going on at the time, if you want to if you want to find a 698 00:43:21,480 --> 00:43:27,030 real a real devil here. The problem is the central bank, the 699 00:43:27,030 --> 00:43:29,880 problem, the central bank's The problem is not the stock market, 700 00:43:29,970 --> 00:43:33,360 when the central banks drop rates to zero, you can't put 701 00:43:33,360 --> 00:43:36,870 your money in a savings account and earning and, and have it 702 00:43:36,870 --> 00:43:41,730 just sit there, you can't it's it's fiduciary irresponsibility 703 00:43:41,730 --> 00:43:45,570 to do that. So you have to you have to do something with that 704 00:43:45,570 --> 00:43:49,710 money in the own. That's where the growth at all costs mindset 705 00:43:49,710 --> 00:43:53,880 comes from? Because you have to have an exit strategy. If within 706 00:43:53,880 --> 00:43:57,420 the absence of you know, in the absence of 0% interest rates, 707 00:43:57,780 --> 00:44:02,430 markets, markets work in a rational way. So like that, you 708 00:44:02,430 --> 00:44:02,550 know, 709 00:44:03,240 --> 00:44:05,790 if they're not phony, which you know, there's some shenanigans 710 00:44:05,790 --> 00:44:06,390 going on they're 711 00:44:06,540 --> 00:44:10,440 building fraud is getting fraud, you know, pure fraud. Like the 712 00:44:11,430 --> 00:44:16,350 the real problem is the you know, is what was the greens, 713 00:44:16,380 --> 00:44:20,340 the famous Greenspan perverted, perverse incentives, but a 714 00:44:20,970 --> 00:44:23,550 irrational exuberance or whatever, like, that's where all 715 00:44:23,550 --> 00:44:27,000 that stuff comes from. It comes from as a response to the 716 00:44:27,000 --> 00:44:30,240 central bank. So then now the central bank has turned the 717 00:44:30,240 --> 00:44:34,590 screws and companies don't know what to do now because they they 718 00:44:34,590 --> 00:44:40,470 still can't park their money in, in in liquid places, because 719 00:44:40,470 --> 00:44:43,830 those interest rates still have not risen. But the interest 720 00:44:43,830 --> 00:44:48,420 rates to get the arbitrage on the amount of free money from 721 00:44:48,420 --> 00:44:51,960 the banking system has has gone up. So you basically there's no 722 00:44:51,960 --> 00:44:55,860 money to be had, but you can't put it anywhere safe, so they 723 00:44:55,860 --> 00:44:58,740 don't know what to do. All they know to do right now is just 724 00:44:58,740 --> 00:45:02,970 trim the fat make cash flow as high as possible, which means 725 00:45:02,970 --> 00:45:06,060 getting rid of their people, and just hunker down and wait for 726 00:45:06,060 --> 00:45:12,930 the next shoe to drop, like Evan readin? What is that? The name 727 00:45:12,930 --> 00:45:16,020 of the book is the technological society by Jacques Ellu. Have 728 00:45:16,020 --> 00:45:16,830 you ever read the Yes, of 729 00:45:16,830 --> 00:45:19,860 course, it's what you want to read right after you read 730 00:45:20,760 --> 00:45:22,560 industrial society and its future. 731 00:45:22,860 --> 00:45:29,370 Because this, this book is dense. And how many pages is fed 732 00:45:29,370 --> 00:45:31,980 maybe about 500 pages, I don't know if you know of top your 733 00:45:31,980 --> 00:45:37,530 head, but it's dense. So I mean, it takes a little while to get 734 00:45:37,530 --> 00:45:42,180 through. But it's kind of blowing my mind over and over 735 00:45:42,180 --> 00:45:48,360 again, he makes this it makes this point about technology. So 736 00:45:48,360 --> 00:45:51,720 he calls individual technologies, he refers to them 737 00:45:51,720 --> 00:45:56,550 as technique. And so he gives that he gives this example, he 738 00:45:56,550 --> 00:46:03,420 says, he's making the point that technique in any particular line 739 00:46:03,450 --> 00:46:07,530 of technique, any particular technological pursuit, a 740 00:46:07,530 --> 00:46:11,430 technique, and that strain is going to go naturally from 741 00:46:11,850 --> 00:46:14,970 through its most simple incarnation through to more and 742 00:46:14,970 --> 00:46:19,890 more complex. So he gives the example of nuclear power. He's 743 00:46:19,890 --> 00:46:25,140 like, you can't, he says, you know, the atomic bomb, was a 744 00:46:25,140 --> 00:46:30,840 necessary step on the road to something better, which would 745 00:46:30,840 --> 00:46:34,110 be, you know, power generation through nuclear power plants or 746 00:46:34,110 --> 00:46:40,140 something like that. Because the atomic bomb blowing shit up is 747 00:46:40,140 --> 00:46:44,640 the is the most simple use case, you break that you split the 748 00:46:44,640 --> 00:46:49,200 atom and stuff blows up. So that's like step one, you know, 749 00:46:49,200 --> 00:46:52,140 it's like, hello, world of nuclear of nuclear, it's the 750 00:46:52,140 --> 00:46:55,950 hello world of nuclear energy is blow is blowing people up. So 751 00:46:55,950 --> 00:47:00,300 you, you, you have to go through that step first, in order to get 752 00:47:00,300 --> 00:47:05,310 to down there many years down the road, you have, you know, 753 00:47:05,310 --> 00:47:07,380 you have things like control, you know, nuclear power, which 754 00:47:07,380 --> 00:47:09,360 is way more complicated, because then you're talking about 755 00:47:09,360 --> 00:47:14,820 perpetual containment of a nuclear nuclear force. So he, so 756 00:47:14,820 --> 00:47:18,240 he's making that exam, he's, and he's also in the middle of that 757 00:47:18,240 --> 00:47:21,510 saying, well, but you have to remember, you know, technique 758 00:47:21,510 --> 00:47:25,500 and technology is, is is a moral, it doesn't care about the 759 00:47:25,500 --> 00:47:28,710 morality of the thing it's doing, right, individual people 760 00:47:28,710 --> 00:47:31,830 may care. But that's sort of irrelevant, because the thing is 761 00:47:31,830 --> 00:47:34,740 going to go on its own course. And I feel like this is the set, 762 00:47:34,740 --> 00:47:40,800 you can make an analogy there. To, to what's going on in the 763 00:47:40,800 --> 00:47:44,730 advertising, in advertising. And the digital advertising in the 764 00:47:44,730 --> 00:47:48,870 internet landscape as a whole, is, you had to go through that 765 00:47:48,870 --> 00:47:53,700 first, the initial sort of raw, simplistic idea that we can put 766 00:47:53,700 --> 00:47:57,120 an ad on a website, somebody will click on it, and then you 767 00:47:57,120 --> 00:48:01,290 get paid. That's sort of the same. That's the Hello World of 768 00:48:01,290 --> 00:48:03,690 Internet advertising. That's, you know, that's blowing shit 769 00:48:03,690 --> 00:48:11,520 up. Well, Z, you know, people begin, Apple. People, you start 770 00:48:11,520 --> 00:48:14,730 using VPNs, people are using ad blockers, legislation starts get 771 00:48:14,730 --> 00:48:17,370 pet, these things begin to evolve. Because people don't 772 00:48:17,370 --> 00:48:19,350 want that in their life. They don't want tracking, they don't 773 00:48:19,350 --> 00:48:23,520 want given up all this stuff. So then these things have to evolve 774 00:48:24,180 --> 00:48:27,810 to take account for Apple's private relay. And these are the 775 00:48:27,810 --> 00:48:29,910 things that are going to make app download tracking 776 00:48:29,910 --> 00:48:33,210 impossible. And attribution impossible the rat race well, 777 00:48:33,390 --> 00:48:36,840 well, you know, you have now you have to evolve if you're the IB 778 00:48:36,840 --> 00:48:39,120 you have to evolve these things to take that out. And that's 779 00:48:39,120 --> 00:48:42,930 what me and Dan Benjamin tried to do by proposing, you know, a 780 00:48:42,930 --> 00:48:47,670 very simple thing that doesn't rely on IP address tracking, to 781 00:48:47,670 --> 00:48:50,730 get you know, to give them some ideas on how to start that 782 00:48:50,730 --> 00:48:51,420 discussion, 783 00:48:51,450 --> 00:48:56,250 and they weren't getting out if you get up on my face you man. 784 00:48:58,050 --> 00:49:01,620 But, but that's like, you know, but what they want they've 785 00:49:01,800 --> 00:49:05,040 they've learned to love the bomb. They just want the bomb. 786 00:49:05,430 --> 00:49:08,010 They don't want they don't want nuclear they don't want a 787 00:49:08,010 --> 00:49:10,620 nuclear submarine they just want their there's like why can't we 788 00:49:10,620 --> 00:49:13,290 just have wars warheads and blow shit up? Yeah, that's what they 789 00:49:13,290 --> 00:49:22,350 want. Because it's simple. It's easy. So they're, well, it's but 790 00:49:22,380 --> 00:49:25,860 you can do this. This is a perfect time to drop the ISO. 791 00:49:25,860 --> 00:49:27,390 This stuff is just supposed to be fun. 792 00:49:27,419 --> 00:49:33,329 This stuff's supposed to be fun. It's not fun. It's not fun. It's 793 00:49:33,329 --> 00:49:36,539 a lot of people now. Of course, there's real money, people 794 00:49:36,539 --> 00:49:41,489 making you know, and I listen to Joe Rogan on Spotify. I'm 795 00:49:41,489 --> 00:49:45,479 getting maybe it's great. I mean, I'm getting local sunglass 796 00:49:45,539 --> 00:49:50,009 company ads in Austin. I'm getting a lot of vitamin add 797 00:49:50,009 --> 00:49:53,879 supplement. And I don't know if though if that's the big big 798 00:49:53,879 --> 00:49:57,419 money. I don't know if those companies have big money. I 799 00:49:57,419 --> 00:50:04,379 truly believe in local are local or is the community of interest 800 00:50:04,379 --> 00:50:09,179 or community of geography based marketing, let's just call it 801 00:50:09,179 --> 00:50:16,499 marketing. I, I 100%, believe in the bridesmaids magazine, where 802 00:50:16,529 --> 00:50:23,249 you make content, and you get wedding venues and DJs and bands 803 00:50:23,249 --> 00:50:26,849 and whatever to advertise specifically for that content, 804 00:50:26,849 --> 00:50:30,419 no different than Fredericksburg, Texas has a 805 00:50:30,419 --> 00:50:33,449 couple of magazines, one is probably the winner over the 806 00:50:33,449 --> 00:50:38,819 other. And you, you write articles about people and about 807 00:50:38,819 --> 00:50:43,439 businesses and the wineries and you charge them for that. You 808 00:50:43,439 --> 00:50:47,009 know, it's, it's the whole thing is marketing. Vogue magazine is 809 00:50:47,009 --> 00:50:50,909 another outstanding example, you know, you go there for the ads, 810 00:50:51,089 --> 00:50:54,989 the ads are the content. So I have no problem with Bitcoin 811 00:50:54,989 --> 00:50:59,819 podcasts having bitcoin wallet, stuff for whatever. But the 812 00:50:59,819 --> 00:51:08,639 solution seems to be subscriptions. And that is so 813 00:51:08,639 --> 00:51:13,109 obviously limited. We're already seeing it in streaming, 814 00:51:13,319 --> 00:51:16,799 television, streaming moved to streaming streaming movies, we 815 00:51:16,799 --> 00:51:21,629 have Netflix competing with Disney complete competing with 816 00:51:21,749 --> 00:51:26,039 Paramount competing with Hulu. And at a certain point, you just 817 00:51:26,039 --> 00:51:29,219 can't have all these subscriptions. The same way at a 818 00:51:29,219 --> 00:51:32,549 certain point, I just can't have all my favorite podcasts 819 00:51:32,639 --> 00:51:37,379 charging me $5 A month is just going to be too much. I love 820 00:51:37,829 --> 00:51:41,909 that the obviously the value for value model, circumvents this to 821 00:51:41,909 --> 00:51:47,879 a degree. But we're going to run into same problem with with 822 00:51:47,939 --> 00:51:52,439 podcasting on subscriptions. And now we see that people are kind 823 00:51:52,439 --> 00:51:55,859 of realizing that, you know, Apple subscriptions really isn't 824 00:51:55,859 --> 00:51:58,979 a podcast. You know, Joe Rogan, I love my brother Joe Rogan is 825 00:51:58,979 --> 00:52:04,409 not a podcast. It's a it's a Spotify show. Yeah. On the 826 00:52:04,409 --> 00:52:08,789 Spotify app, yeah. And I have to pay to watch it and and what 827 00:52:08,789 --> 00:52:11,879 Spotify is learning. And I think what they're all learning is 828 00:52:11,879 --> 00:52:14,969 when something's exclusive, you better have people paying for 829 00:52:14,969 --> 00:52:19,679 it. Because you really need the whole universe of playback the 830 00:52:19,679 --> 00:52:24,179 whole universe of apps or places that can ingest and, and 831 00:52:24,179 --> 00:52:28,469 feedback and RSS feed. And it's just a business miscalculation, 832 00:52:28,469 --> 00:52:32,189 Spotify his case, I believe it was a 100% Hail Mary, what are 833 00:52:32,189 --> 00:52:35,609 we going to do? The record companies got us by the balls. 834 00:52:35,699 --> 00:52:39,089 Hey, look at all this free content. Yeah, it will get Joe 835 00:52:39,089 --> 00:52:41,849 and everyone who want to be on Joe's platform. That's pretty 836 00:52:41,849 --> 00:52:48,839 much what they did. And sadly, for a decade, a lot of the 837 00:52:48,929 --> 00:52:53,219 industry for became the podcast industrial complex kowtow to 838 00:52:53,219 --> 00:52:57,089 these companies. And it still well, you know, we've got to put 839 00:52:57,089 --> 00:52:59,969 the listeners first, if you're listening to me on Spotify. No, 840 00:52:59,969 --> 00:53:03,239 I'm sorry. You can listen to me for free over here. If you don't 841 00:53:03,239 --> 00:53:06,659 want to. Okay, you just then don't it has not hurt me. 842 00:53:07,770 --> 00:53:10,830 You know, think that I think people like Dawn Ostroff, you 843 00:53:10,830 --> 00:53:13,320 know, they, they know the content and they brought in the 844 00:53:13,320 --> 00:53:16,650 content. But then you don't, but then you have to do something 845 00:53:16,650 --> 00:53:21,360 with it, then you have to turn it into money in this step 846 00:53:21,720 --> 00:53:22,560 didn't happen. 847 00:53:23,160 --> 00:53:26,370 And the other thing is the Obamas. You know, I would say 848 00:53:26,370 --> 00:53:29,970 the Obamas left, because they were exclusive. They didn't like 849 00:53:29,970 --> 00:53:32,190 the they don't need money. They got more money than God 850 00:53:32,190 --> 00:53:35,910 possibly. I know that's not true. But you know, as an 851 00:53:35,910 --> 00:53:39,840 expression. And they, and they weren't, they didn't like the 852 00:53:39,840 --> 00:53:43,740 fact that the only really had 30% of the listening market. A 853 00:53:43,740 --> 00:53:46,470 lot of their friends. Well, I use apples. I use Apple, how 854 00:53:46,470 --> 00:53:50,250 come I can't get you on Apple, we gotta get Spotify. Spotify is 855 00:53:50,250 --> 00:53:52,350 a pain in the ass. I don't like the interface, whatever. It's 856 00:53:52,350 --> 00:53:56,940 very personal. You know, a listening app for anything, any 857 00:53:56,940 --> 00:53:58,290 app is personal. 858 00:53:59,670 --> 00:54:03,030 You know, I'm starting to, I'm starting to wonder. I'm starting 859 00:54:03,030 --> 00:54:07,560 to wonder if Joe will leave Spotify. I mean, he's kind of 860 00:54:07,560 --> 00:54:12,240 got them by the balls, if you think about it. Well, I mean, 861 00:54:12,390 --> 00:54:17,520 that means like, because what the next, the only other show 862 00:54:17,520 --> 00:54:20,640 that's, well, we don't know if it's profitable or anything. I 863 00:54:20,640 --> 00:54:23,070 mean, the only other show that's doing anything is that color 864 00:54:23,070 --> 00:54:26,610 daddy show. And who knows what those numbers are? 865 00:54:26,640 --> 00:54:30,960 I cannot speak. I don't know Joe's a friend. 866 00:54:31,650 --> 00:54:35,940 Yeah. Imagine I just think that at some point. I mean, hey, he 867 00:54:35,940 --> 00:54:39,570 may stay at Spotify as well. I mean, because if they lose Joe 868 00:54:39,570 --> 00:54:46,950 Rogan you got a lot of people that are going to leave just 869 00:54:46,950 --> 00:54:48,360 won't renew their subscriptions. 870 00:54:48,390 --> 00:54:51,450 Possibly. I really don't know. I really don't know. I mean, you 871 00:54:51,450 --> 00:54:54,900 can still get Spotify with the ads for basically free if I'm 872 00:54:54,900 --> 00:54:58,230 not mistaken. So I'm not sure that's true. And I pay for 873 00:54:58,230 --> 00:55:01,230 Spotify and I still get ads with Joe Rogan, which is a little 874 00:55:01,230 --> 00:55:04,830 annoying, that's great. Yeah, every 10 minutes, you know, they 875 00:55:04,830 --> 00:55:07,320 just break right in. It's not like it's a we'll be right back 876 00:55:07,320 --> 00:55:10,410 or anything. It's just boom, there you go two ads in a block. 877 00:55:12,240 --> 00:55:17,760 I don't know what I, what I do know, is that Joe was blanketing 878 00:55:17,760 --> 00:55:23,490 the market, delivering much more than I think he's his licensed 879 00:55:23,520 --> 00:55:28,500 to them to make sure that he maintains his position as the 880 00:55:28,500 --> 00:55:32,280 great American conversationalist. So whatever 881 00:55:32,280 --> 00:55:37,800 he does, wherever he goes or stays, he will be the king of 882 00:55:37,800 --> 00:55:41,250 conversation. Ooh, the king of conversation. You go, oh, there 883 00:55:41,250 --> 00:55:48,180 you go. And he is, you know, unfortunately, it Whatever he 884 00:55:48,180 --> 00:55:52,200 does, he'll have to, you know, they censored me. I said some 885 00:55:52,200 --> 00:55:57,720 stuff on there that during my, during my episode, that they had 886 00:55:57,720 --> 00:55:58,230 to bleep 887 00:55:59,550 --> 00:56:01,350 like, just language or, 888 00:56:01,769 --> 00:56:04,409 oh, yeah, it was horrible language. I was giving I was 889 00:56:04,409 --> 00:56:08,159 using words as an example of words that are a problem. Okay. 890 00:56:08,189 --> 00:56:10,919 And it was so hilarious that the words that were a problem, I 891 00:56:10,919 --> 00:56:13,199 could not discuss them as words that are a problem because 892 00:56:13,199 --> 00:56:19,769 they're a problem. And so I learned something else. So this 893 00:56:19,769 --> 00:56:21,779 is right after the show, Joe says, Well, you know, that would 894 00:56:21,779 --> 00:56:26,069 that words can be a problem for X, Y, or Z, like nah. And he 895 00:56:26,069 --> 00:56:30,539 also honestly, he said, Let's not have that be this the center 896 00:56:30,539 --> 00:56:34,319 have our three and a half hour talk. And I said, Oh, yeah, I'm 897 00:56:34,319 --> 00:56:37,349 with you. Just Jamie just bleep it out or whatever. Now 898 00:56:37,349 --> 00:56:42,509 apparently, when they upload to Spotify, a transcript is made 899 00:56:42,509 --> 00:56:48,089 right away. So yeah, I bet it is. Yeah. So whatever, for 900 00:56:48,089 --> 00:56:52,319 whatever reason, they also decided to blur my actual mouth. 901 00:56:52,319 --> 00:56:54,959 So you couldn't even read my lips. And I thought that was 902 00:56:54,959 --> 00:56:59,279 hilarious. I love it. And was exactly what we hoped would 903 00:56:59,279 --> 00:57:05,399 happen. We were like, Why don't you stay? Bombing I'm talking 904 00:57:05,399 --> 00:57:08,489 I'm doing all kinds of stuff. And then Oh, my Oh, well, they 905 00:57:08,519 --> 00:57:10,319 they blinked in what were those words? 906 00:57:10,920 --> 00:57:13,410 Yeah. Now that not everybody has to know what the words were. 907 00:57:13,410 --> 00:57:13,620 Yeah, 908 00:57:13,680 --> 00:57:17,160 it became a I think it's a great bit actually. was, 909 00:57:18,060 --> 00:57:22,110 I think that did Spotify must have a, like a network 910 00:57:22,110 --> 00:57:24,180 operations center. You know, with all the big screens and 911 00:57:24,180 --> 00:57:27,480 everything they have like a J rock, like Joe Rogan operations 912 00:57:27,480 --> 00:57:30,270 centers. Like as soon as that thing comes in, transcript boop, 913 00:57:30,270 --> 00:57:33,570 boop, boop, yeah, video, blur the mouth, move the Telestrator. 914 00:57:33,570 --> 00:57:34,200 You know, they all 915 00:57:34,200 --> 00:57:37,020 they have to do is upload and that's it. They don't and they 916 00:57:37,020 --> 00:57:41,160 don't, I think is even very little interaction. It's funny, 917 00:57:41,340 --> 00:57:45,060 but, but no matter what will be a double bleep. That was great. 918 00:57:45,690 --> 00:57:49,950 But whatever Joe does, it'll work for Joe. I don't think 919 00:57:49,950 --> 00:57:54,720 there's any problem there. Anyway, it that doesn't really 920 00:57:54,720 --> 00:57:58,650 matter. What matters is I think we're on the right track. And we 921 00:57:58,650 --> 00:58:01,650 did the right thing. Now, the one more there's also I can't 922 00:58:01,650 --> 00:58:05,310 get to the full story. But there seems to be issues with Patreon 923 00:58:05,310 --> 00:58:05,700 now. 924 00:58:06,960 --> 00:58:10,110 Yeah, what was a source something about how now I mean, 925 00:58:10,110 --> 00:58:11,730 now I'm trying to remember what it was, 926 00:58:11,760 --> 00:58:16,320 well, it would pod news had it and Okay, Patreon growth has 927 00:58:16,320 --> 00:58:21,720 ground to a halt. You don't say the number of creators I got a 928 00:58:21,720 --> 00:58:27,270 real problem with I we needed, how let's just say you know, 929 00:58:27,270 --> 00:58:30,780 like create hatred. It used to be patrons just come patrons and 930 00:58:31,350 --> 00:58:35,730 patronize errs. In the, in the SIR on the site with one or more 931 00:58:35,730 --> 00:58:39,180 patrons rose are they go less than 2% last year compared 932 00:58:39,180 --> 00:58:45,480 compared to nearly 40% in 2020. Please note, that Patreon rose 933 00:58:45,600 --> 00:58:54,570 raised over $100 million and these are investors. And the 934 00:58:54,630 --> 00:58:59,310 evaluation was $4 billion valuation. So, you know, it's 935 00:58:59,310 --> 00:59:04,980 all ending for them to and now, you know, the CEO is like, you 936 00:59:04,980 --> 00:59:11,370 know, there's a rumor of sexual harassment and whatever else is 937 00:59:11,370 --> 00:59:14,010 going on me I literally read the article stripe 938 00:59:14,040 --> 00:59:18,150 stripe with a P. They're also looking shaky. You know, there's 939 00:59:18,150 --> 00:59:22,770 an article came out this this last week, that was from the day 940 00:59:22,770 --> 00:59:25,380 information that's talking about stripe, and evidently they're 941 00:59:25,380 --> 00:59:28,980 having they're having some financial trouble, because 942 00:59:28,980 --> 00:59:33,870 payment processors demand high fees. Yep. And they're just not 943 00:59:33,870 --> 00:59:37,260 seeing they're not seeing enough traffic. It's a very, it's very 944 00:59:37,260 --> 00:59:40,260 similar to the Spotify as you I mean, the whole the whole thing 945 00:59:40,260 --> 00:59:44,010 is beginning to I don't want to say implode, I think that's 946 00:59:44,010 --> 00:59:47,670 sensationalist. But but it's beginning to retract to a 947 00:59:47,670 --> 00:59:53,670 certain point where these things look, you know, as a as a 948 00:59:53,670 --> 00:59:56,400 developer, you just automatically think, Oh, if I 949 00:59:56,400 --> 01:00:00,270 need to take payments, Stripe, that's what I'm doing a Keep it 950 01:00:00,270 --> 01:00:03,660 simple API has been around for a while. They seem they're good. 951 01:00:03,660 --> 01:00:06,960 They're stable. They seem to have you know, no, there's no 952 01:00:06,960 --> 01:00:09,300 problem. I'm not going to wake up tomorrow and Stripe will be 953 01:00:09,300 --> 01:00:11,370 gone. Well, 954 01:00:12,090 --> 01:00:14,370 well may not be tomorrow. 955 01:00:14,940 --> 01:00:18,690 But once you start reading stories like this, Patreon 956 01:00:18,690 --> 01:00:23,700 stripe, these companies, your story start thinking, woman, but 957 01:00:23,790 --> 01:00:27,750 maybe it's not as sure of a thing as I thought it was. And 958 01:00:27,750 --> 01:00:30,480 then it's like, well, then you need a fallback. That's why I 959 01:00:30,480 --> 01:00:35,160 kind of lead out with that story about strike and clover and that 960 01:00:35,160 --> 01:00:39,990 kind of stuff. Because you're, you know, those those fall 961 01:00:39,990 --> 01:00:43,980 backs, those peer to peer direct decentralized payment fallbacks, 962 01:00:44,940 --> 01:00:51,660 those could become crucial add to as crucial as an escape hatch 963 01:00:52,290 --> 01:00:57,210 out of all of this system, not not, not that you like they, you 964 01:00:57,210 --> 01:01:01,320 know, to have a dual strategy is just prudent. And we have, have 965 01:01:01,620 --> 01:01:05,190 sure continue to sell your ads, if you can get them in your 966 01:01:05,190 --> 01:01:10,980 show, if that's what you want. And then also be have a value 967 01:01:10,980 --> 01:01:15,060 from a supported him, like, as far as do value for value at the 968 01:01:15,060 --> 01:01:18,750 same time. It doesn't have, it doesn't have to be that you just 969 01:01:18,750 --> 01:01:22,920 totally, you can only have one model or another we look at look 970 01:01:22,920 --> 01:01:24,870 at Kota radio and Jupiter broadcasting, guys. I mean, they 971 01:01:24,870 --> 01:01:28,110 have memberships, they do ads, and they do vary from, you know, 972 01:01:28,140 --> 01:01:30,330 they're covered, man. And they got they have lots of 973 01:01:30,330 --> 01:01:32,820 strategies, lots of fallback options in case one of those 974 01:01:32,820 --> 01:01:35,700 things goes belly up. It's just a good idea. I mean, you don't 975 01:01:35,700 --> 01:01:38,580 put your eggs all in one basket, just because, you know, you can 976 01:01:38,580 --> 01:01:42,540 see that when the economy begins to turn sour like it has in a 977 01:01:42,540 --> 01:01:46,290 weird way, by the way. I mean, this is a slow motion meltdown 978 01:01:46,290 --> 01:01:47,250 that's unlike anything 979 01:01:47,400 --> 01:01:50,160 for people who have no idea what's coming. They have no idea 980 01:01:50,160 --> 01:01:51,060 what's happening here. 981 01:01:51,720 --> 01:01:55,230 And I think the critical part of that, is that even the people in 982 01:01:55,230 --> 01:01:55,830 charge who 983 01:01:55,860 --> 01:02:01,920 have no idea, I have no idea. So imagine my delight, when we have 984 01:02:04,140 --> 01:02:14,610 old time old school elder of the podcasting, business, Todd, take 985 01:02:14,610 --> 01:02:18,960 blueberry 100% value for value for every single one of their 986 01:02:18,960 --> 01:02:23,220 clients, their customers, and go out and promote it like like a 987 01:02:23,220 --> 01:02:29,940 crazy man. I know Todd was around way back in the day. And 988 01:02:29,970 --> 01:02:33,420 he was an interesting kind of guy, you know, and you basically 989 01:02:33,420 --> 01:02:37,830 had Libsyn that I don't remember why but for some reason, Lipson 990 01:02:37,830 --> 01:02:42,810 and I never got along. I don't know what the rub was. Maybe I 991 01:02:42,810 --> 01:02:46,140 was just a dick as totally possible. I don't know. But I 992 01:02:46,140 --> 01:02:48,180 get that feeling with a lot of people that I think there's 993 01:02:48,180 --> 01:02:51,090 there's always been this sort of, you've got you've got people 994 01:02:51,090 --> 01:02:54,600 who love Lipson or hate them, there's no in between, well, I 995 01:02:54,600 --> 01:02:57,780 don't hate anybody, but I could never I could never get along. 996 01:02:57,780 --> 01:03:00,870 And I think they're a little brash, like, this is the way to 997 01:03:00,870 --> 01:03:03,300 go. We're doing what you need us. You know, maybe it was that 998 01:03:03,300 --> 01:03:07,500 or I felt that it may not be true. And Todd was always kind 999 01:03:07,500 --> 01:03:11,460 of blueberry. Raw voice initially, I think was a raw 1000 01:03:11,460 --> 01:03:15,000 voice and then blueberry I don't remember was, you know, like, 1001 01:03:15,060 --> 01:03:19,950 kind of a scrappy little, little company has just, you know, 1002 01:03:19,950 --> 01:03:24,030 huffing and puffing and am doing stuff and but very committed and 1003 01:03:24,030 --> 01:03:28,200 very dedicated and, and also a podcaster it's really important. 1004 01:03:29,040 --> 01:03:33,120 know, when you're running, you know, don don OS, what was the 1005 01:03:33,120 --> 01:03:37,110 name? Mr. Ostroff? Where's her podcast? What does she know 1006 01:03:37,110 --> 01:03:40,290 about podcasting? Where's your podcast lady? Yeah, you know, 1007 01:03:40,290 --> 01:03:47,610 I'm saying, you hear me now. So, that kind of stuff is like hmm, 1008 01:03:47,940 --> 01:03:52,920 and I mean, that for some reason, this is a tipping point 1009 01:03:52,920 --> 01:03:57,780 for me. I'm not I can't explain exactly why. I think Albie is a 1010 01:03:57,780 --> 01:04:03,720 very important player. Now, I do want to say and I love the lb 1011 01:04:03,720 --> 01:04:09,000 guys, but you know, we also have to provide off ramps for people 1012 01:04:09,000 --> 01:04:12,090 who want to be decentralized because you know, now there's 1013 01:04:12,090 --> 01:04:15,990 three maybe four different hosting companies all relying on 1014 01:04:15,990 --> 01:04:21,300 Alby right and that's great. I use it for the statistics and I 1015 01:04:21,750 --> 01:04:26,820 to me it's a service I love having get Alby get I'll be 1016 01:04:26,820 --> 01:04:31,890 address and I send 1% to them from all of my shows that I'm 1017 01:04:31,890 --> 01:04:36,480 that I have control over so that I can get the contracts and the 1018 01:04:36,480 --> 01:04:41,550 and the Saturn statistics, which is great. And it's value for 1019 01:04:41,550 --> 01:04:45,870 value right there out of the box. I don't rely 100% on an 1020 01:04:45,870 --> 01:04:53,340 Aldi for you to put all my money. Yeah, i i What a great 1021 01:04:53,340 --> 01:04:58,170 benefit is receiving 1% from different shows and then 1022 01:04:58,170 --> 01:05:02,040 connecting the pod verse app to it. So I know I'm never going to 1023 01:05:02,040 --> 01:05:03,090 run out of SATs. 1024 01:05:03,450 --> 01:05:05,520 Now we need to, we need Bre we need. 1025 01:05:07,109 --> 01:05:08,759 We need the greenlight stuff to come in. 1026 01:05:09,569 --> 01:05:14,099 Yeah, as a second one, because you'd love to see at least two 1027 01:05:14,279 --> 01:05:19,529 to LSPs in the space rock and have that distribution and not 1028 01:05:19,529 --> 01:05:21,269 be all rely on one person. I'm not 1029 01:05:21,270 --> 01:05:25,200 sure we can call our be an LSP, per se. 1030 01:05:26,070 --> 01:05:28,770 Yeah, I just don't know what else to call them. Yeah, and I 1031 01:05:28,770 --> 01:05:29,160 hear you. 1032 01:05:29,190 --> 01:05:33,420 And again, I love them. This is not a slam against Albie at all 1033 01:05:33,420 --> 01:05:35,940 or anybody, everyone who's participating, I love you. 1034 01:05:36,449 --> 01:05:38,819 And I think that they would be I think they would be, you know, 1035 01:05:38,849 --> 01:05:41,879 conscious enough to say that that's probably a good idea to I 1036 01:05:41,879 --> 01:05:42,419 mean, like, 1037 01:05:42,839 --> 01:05:47,069 or at least be able to, you know, to do? Well, in essence, 1038 01:05:47,339 --> 01:05:51,359 you can't, I was just thinking about this today, because my, my 1039 01:05:51,359 --> 01:05:55,829 own role, which runs on that stupid laptop, was down for a 1040 01:05:55,829 --> 01:05:59,219 couple hours. And I don't know exactly what was going on. But 1041 01:05:59,219 --> 01:06:01,679 it took me it took me a bit to get it up. So maybe it was 1042 01:06:01,679 --> 01:06:04,559 offline for 10 hours, I might have lost a boost, which would 1043 01:06:04,559 --> 01:06:08,669 be a boost for the heli pad that I read people's boosts on here. 1044 01:06:09,359 --> 01:06:13,079 That, you know, I really need to put that on on a better machine. 1045 01:06:13,409 --> 01:06:17,969 And you know, what my choices are? I change value blocks 1046 01:06:17,969 --> 01:06:24,179 everywhere I can in the splits or I set up a new machine and 1047 01:06:24,179 --> 01:06:27,479 then I have to restore the I guess I have to get my lightning 1048 01:06:27,479 --> 01:06:31,379 channels and my lightning node and and bring that as a backup. 1049 01:06:31,919 --> 01:06:36,749 I mean, it's not a it's not a simple solution. Right? Whereas 1050 01:06:36,749 --> 01:06:39,239 I believe the green light solution would breezes working 1051 01:06:39,239 --> 01:06:44,369 on is explicitly you can you can take that away from their 1052 01:06:44,369 --> 01:06:47,399 infrastructure and just use it yourself without their back end 1053 01:06:47,399 --> 01:06:49,739 or, or cloud watchtower, whatever it is. I'm 1054 01:06:49,739 --> 01:06:57,269 paraphrasing. We need to have I forgotten his name. Roy. He 1055 01:06:57,269 --> 01:07:00,089 hasn't talked to me anymore. We need to have Roy on to explain 1056 01:07:00,089 --> 01:07:02,879 what he's ready when he's ready. And we'll have the blueberry 1057 01:07:02,879 --> 01:07:05,159 guys on you know, next week. 1058 01:07:06,780 --> 01:07:10,620 Let's see. Yes, blueberry and blue group. It goes on next 1059 01:07:10,620 --> 01:07:14,820 week, and then I'm working on getting another guest for the 1060 01:07:14,820 --> 01:07:19,740 week, the two weeks and that I cannot reveal. 1061 01:07:19,980 --> 01:07:23,400 That's okay. That's alright. Congratulations, a podcast 1062 01:07:23,400 --> 01:07:27,930 addict. I've been talking about them on. So now I'm able to say 1063 01:07:27,930 --> 01:07:31,500 hey, pod verse, podcast addict, curio caster, they've got lit. 1064 01:07:31,920 --> 01:07:33,840 And is that still in beta and puking? 1065 01:07:33,870 --> 01:07:37,410 I don't know if I'm saying like, it may still be in beta. But I'm 1066 01:07:37,410 --> 01:07:39,900 getting people saying it works. It's great. I got a I got a 1067 01:07:39,900 --> 01:07:44,400 notification. I'm tuning into the show. So I'm very, I mean, 1068 01:07:44,400 --> 01:07:47,730 that's moving forward. We got three. Now curio caster, I have 1069 01:07:47,730 --> 01:07:51,330 a feeling Steven B is maybe learning how to do a proper app. 1070 01:07:51,330 --> 01:07:55,410 But he also seems to be working on the music side. And that is 1071 01:07:55,410 --> 01:08:00,090 probably a topic we should discuss as well. Yes. No. So now 1072 01:08:00,090 --> 01:08:06,360 we have wave lake. And but we don't do we have any wave Lake 1073 01:08:06,360 --> 01:08:07,770 feed in the index? 1074 01:08:08,790 --> 01:08:13,140 Yes, I think there is one or two now. They've just kind of 1075 01:08:13,140 --> 01:08:14,910 started to trickle in a little bit. 1076 01:08:15,060 --> 01:08:19,320 Because we're in this I saw a thread. I was Stephen B. And 1077 01:08:19,440 --> 01:08:22,860 we're in this horrible chicken and egg thing. All of a sudden, 1078 01:08:23,700 --> 01:08:27,210 were wave lake as well until there's an app that you know, 1079 01:08:27,210 --> 01:08:30,240 that really presents music properly. We don't really want 1080 01:08:30,240 --> 01:08:34,590 to do that. It's like what is the whole point is you need to 1081 01:08:34,590 --> 01:08:38,610 create the content. Hey, there's a lot of stuff. They all are the 1082 01:08:38,610 --> 01:08:40,530 content. Yeah, you're the content if you're not going to 1083 01:08:40,530 --> 01:08:43,800 put it out there. And so I'm just thinking, please consider 1084 01:08:43,800 --> 01:08:47,970 what you're doing. The don't become a Spotify. 1085 01:08:48,750 --> 01:08:51,570 Yeah, I don't think do you just I don't I've got a yeah, I've 1086 01:08:51,570 --> 01:08:55,560 gotten an email thread going with with Michael over there. 1087 01:08:56,160 --> 01:08:59,850 And we're going to we're going to have like a call and just 1088 01:08:59,850 --> 01:09:03,600 kind of hammer out just so we make sure that he you know, like 1089 01:09:03,600 --> 01:09:06,690 I think he just wants to understand what's going on 1090 01:09:06,720 --> 01:09:10,050 what's going on. Let me because I think he's just been observing 1091 01:09:10,050 --> 01:09:14,190 this from you know, from the edges. He's trying to do this 1092 01:09:14,190 --> 01:09:18,450 correctly in a think you know, according to spec and 1093 01:09:18,450 --> 01:09:20,220 everything. So I think we're just going to try to put our 1094 01:09:20,220 --> 01:09:22,080 heads together and make sure that we're I love this. 1095 01:09:23,040 --> 01:09:26,430 This is why there's two of us. So I get all heated and like 1096 01:09:26,430 --> 01:09:28,680 wow, what's going on and then you're like, hey, we're just 1097 01:09:28,680 --> 01:09:31,740 gonna have a little chat. So at all that's not 1098 01:09:33,090 --> 01:09:34,140 getting the email. I know 1099 01:09:34,140 --> 01:09:38,970 your your emails do sound that like that. They really do. I'm 1100 01:09:38,970 --> 01:09:39,750 not kidding. 1101 01:09:40,050 --> 01:09:42,510 Gonna have a little chat like, oh, I don't want 1102 01:09:45,480 --> 01:09:48,030 an update like hey, it's just having a little chat. 1103 01:09:51,210 --> 01:09:53,730 Yeah, exactly. I bet taking my little my little 1104 01:09:53,760 --> 01:09:56,940 you know, and hunker maybe, maybe it won't work at all. I 1105 01:09:56,940 --> 01:09:59,610 don't know. I did have a revelation. Someone pointed 1106 01:09:59,610 --> 01:10:02,400 something out. up to me, because, you know, I'm still 1107 01:10:02,400 --> 01:10:08,040 doing my cross app comments through the social interact tag 1108 01:10:08,670 --> 01:10:11,610 for no agenda, which of course, the big one. And so what I was 1109 01:10:11,610 --> 01:10:19,200 always doing is after I publish everything, and I created a post 1110 01:10:19,890 --> 01:10:25,350 for people to, you know, a route post, or no agenda social.com 1111 01:10:25,770 --> 01:10:29,580 And someone said, hey, you know, that's really interesting. Why 1112 01:10:29,580 --> 01:10:32,670 don't you Why do you use you send out cuz I always through 1113 01:10:32,670 --> 01:10:39,210 the Freedom controller, I send out a tweet and a toot. Am in 1114 01:10:39,210 --> 01:10:42,510 the reason, okay, send out a tweet, it's after I've done 1115 01:10:42,540 --> 01:10:45,270 after I've filled out everything I've published through sovereign 1116 01:10:45,270 --> 01:10:48,510 feeds, everything's out. And as you know, I was always want the 1117 01:10:48,510 --> 01:10:51,180 RSS people to get to get it first, then I'll tweet and 1118 01:10:51,180 --> 01:10:54,300 shoot. And someone said, Hey, I really liked this, you have this 1119 01:10:54,300 --> 01:10:56,790 common thread that you're starting, but why isn't it the 1120 01:10:56,790 --> 01:11:01,290 actual tooth that you said when the show was, is published? Like 1121 01:11:01,320 --> 01:11:05,370 that's a very interesting question. And I'm even 1122 01:11:05,370 --> 01:11:11,370 considering doing you know, when when we go lit, to make that 1123 01:11:11,430 --> 01:11:16,350 look just like you do to make that the the actual comments 1124 01:11:16,350 --> 01:11:19,710 read so it can be probably can even be I'm not quite sure if 1125 01:11:19,710 --> 01:11:23,280 that would work. I don't know. But somehow it made sense to not 1126 01:11:23,280 --> 01:11:27,480 have that all separated and, and that came organically. And so I 1127 01:11:27,480 --> 01:11:30,120 have a little glimmer of hope, a little glimmer of hope. 1128 01:11:31,410 --> 01:11:33,750 Let me boost your glimmer of hope by saying that I begin 1129 01:11:34,650 --> 01:11:38,520 created created the project for the community the boost activity 1130 01:11:38,520 --> 01:11:46,320 pub, yeah. Bridge. Started Ellis night, crank that up. And from 1131 01:11:46,320 --> 01:11:51,150 your sick bed, I might add it from es muy Thetis drips of 1132 01:11:51,150 --> 01:11:55,350 sweat, feverish, forehead, dripping on the keyboard. And 1133 01:11:55,350 --> 01:12:00,600 realizing that Apple silicone is still a completely horrible 1134 01:12:00,600 --> 01:12:04,770 product product for trying to do any sort of compiled software 1135 01:12:04,770 --> 01:12:09,960 outside of Swift and expo really so promptly switched to a real 1136 01:12:09,960 --> 01:12:13,650 computer and started and finished, you know, finish 1137 01:12:13,650 --> 01:12:16,710 setting everything out there. But we're so it feels good to 1138 01:12:16,710 --> 01:12:19,650 get back into some rust code. And this this will be good. I 1139 01:12:19,650 --> 01:12:21,330 think so what it'll 1140 01:12:24,030 --> 01:12:26,550 be amount of times I've said hi. Feels really good to get in some 1141 01:12:26,550 --> 01:12:29,430 rust code again, I'm just feeling dynamite about myself. 1142 01:12:29,700 --> 01:12:30,030 Yeah, 1143 01:12:30,540 --> 01:12:33,420 you DM me that morning. 1144 01:12:34,650 --> 01:12:36,060 Feels good about the rust. 1145 01:12:36,450 --> 01:12:40,830 The so it'll just you know it'll watch and watch for boosts 1146 01:12:40,830 --> 01:12:43,950 coming in match up the episode. I'm hoping it'll just be a very 1147 01:12:43,950 --> 01:12:48,480 simplistic thing. Match up the episode that you give it a 1148 01:12:48,900 --> 01:12:55,860 mastodon you know, API to talk to and sort of match up the 1149 01:12:55,860 --> 01:13:00,780 episode go pull the social interact tag URL out of there 1150 01:13:01,290 --> 01:13:06,000 for that episode for that podcast. And then, you know, 1151 01:13:06,000 --> 01:13:13,170 it's polling. His polling l&d To get your to get your to get 1152 01:13:13,170 --> 01:13:16,470 those histograms pulls out, you know, pulls out the episode ID 1153 01:13:16,470 --> 01:13:18,300 and all that kind of stuff just matches everything out to find 1154 01:13:18,300 --> 01:13:20,520 the social and online interact tag, and then just cross posted 1155 01:13:20,520 --> 01:13:25,200 over to as a reply to that. I think it makes I mean, sounds, 1156 01:13:25,290 --> 01:13:27,480 I love it. I love it forward. I love it. 1157 01:13:27,510 --> 01:13:30,240 It's something you can just run as a daemon, you know, on a 1158 01:13:30,360 --> 01:13:33,870 server somewhere. Because I think that would be good for 1159 01:13:33,870 --> 01:13:37,740 like, hosts that have integrations that they want to 1160 01:13:37,740 --> 01:13:41,970 do and that kind of thing. Just anybody really. It's sort of 1161 01:13:41,970 --> 01:13:46,260 agnostic, you just give it your lnd node. And then you give it 1162 01:13:46,560 --> 01:13:52,470 the your activity or Mastodon URL, Mastodon API credentials, 1163 01:13:53,100 --> 01:13:54,690 and just let it do its job. 1164 01:13:57,090 --> 01:14:03,300 I'm looking for the where's that? Where's the stats page? We 1165 01:14:03,300 --> 01:14:05,850 should probably look at this not this has launched a stats page 1166 01:14:05,880 --> 01:14:09,420 that for what for a blog puts together which is the there was 1167 01:14:09,420 --> 01:14:17,550 like the December three. You know, Where has our stats for 1168 01:14:18,480 --> 01:14:22,050 which are better than what's on the website? How many value for 1169 01:14:22,050 --> 01:14:26,040 value podcasts? You know, how many transcript being used? 1170 01:14:26,040 --> 01:14:26,520 Where's that? 1171 01:14:26,550 --> 01:14:29,970 Oh, I've got I've got the right let me give it to the signal. 1172 01:14:30,060 --> 01:14:34,440 Thank you. I thought I've saved that someone bookmark. Okay, 1173 01:14:34,860 --> 01:14:40,110 okay, let me see. Here we go. Oh, this is your version. Okay. 1174 01:14:40,500 --> 01:14:45,390 Yeah, so we have Where's value for value needs value 1175 01:14:45,390 --> 01:14:49,320 blocks about seven from the bottom eight, maybe 11 tiles. 1176 01:14:49,320 --> 01:14:50,970 410. Okay. 1177 01:14:52,890 --> 01:14:56,730 That's up a bit. I don't I don't know how much up it is from the 1178 01:14:56,730 --> 01:14:57,750 last time I checked. 1179 01:14:58,530 --> 01:15:01,620 Yeah, I don't know why the site doesn't match. knew. I mean 1180 01:15:01,620 --> 01:15:05,070 Newsflash, I don't know why our website does half the stuff it 1181 01:15:05,070 --> 01:15:10,950 does. Because I didn't build any newsflash sort of a bizarre, 1182 01:15:10,950 --> 01:15:14,100 it's no thing that I've never had to deal with before. Yeah, 1183 01:15:14,130 --> 01:15:17,310 where I'm where I'm responsible for running something that I 1184 01:15:17,310 --> 01:15:19,800 haven't did that don't know even what it does. 1185 01:15:20,490 --> 01:15:25,800 The value of the podcast index.org shows 11,083 So that's 1186 01:15:26,220 --> 01:15:27,780 off by a couple 100 1187 01:15:28,469 --> 01:15:35,219 Yeah. Why did why? I don't know. Oh, whatever. I mean, like, so 1188 01:15:35,249 --> 01:15:40,169 the, the episodes with. So here's the deal with feeds with 1189 01:15:40,169 --> 01:15:48,119 music. Medium. There's this deal. This shows 44,510. And so, 1190 01:15:48,359 --> 01:15:51,899 Steven D was like, you know, a lot of those things. I'm saying, 1191 01:15:51,899 --> 01:15:52,889 you know, a lot, by the way, 1192 01:15:53,730 --> 01:15:54,780 you're not feeling well. 1193 01:15:55,320 --> 01:16:03,960 I'm not. Feeds was medium music encompasses what's actually in 1194 01:16:03,960 --> 01:16:08,730 the feed. And what Alex and I have been compiling, based on 1195 01:16:09,210 --> 01:16:12,780 machine learning algorithm that we're running on. On the Steven 1196 01:16:12,780 --> 01:16:20,850 didn't seem too happy with that Stephen was mad at me. So, you 1197 01:16:20,850 --> 01:16:24,330 know, and I, I understand his I understand his frustration it 1198 01:16:24,330 --> 01:16:32,220 was it was well explained and legitimate. And I think there 1199 01:16:32,220 --> 01:16:37,200 should probably be some sort of flag or something on that 1200 01:16:37,200 --> 01:16:40,380 endpoint where you can say, Okay, show me everything, or 1201 01:16:40,380 --> 01:16:46,230 just show me organic. When that'd be a good solution. Yeah, 1202 01:16:46,590 --> 01:16:49,170 I mean, do you got to ask Stephen B. I mean, I'm all for 1203 01:16:49,170 --> 01:16:49,350 it. 1204 01:16:49,800 --> 01:16:52,530 Well, he said he's furious. But anyways, he hates me with 1205 01:16:52,530 --> 01:17:01,110 sickness. I'm sorry, I'm at fault for my own illness. I 1206 01:17:01,110 --> 01:17:04,830 mean, I was just thinking, you know, because we're probably I 1207 01:17:04,830 --> 01:17:09,660 see value. I see clearly, I see value in being able to some sort 1208 01:17:09,660 --> 01:17:13,290 of running some sort of machine language model to find things 1209 01:17:13,290 --> 01:17:16,560 that are going on in the audio, because there's just going to be 1210 01:17:16,590 --> 01:17:20,010 tons of music out there that doesn't. That's not going to get 1211 01:17:20,010 --> 01:17:24,390 tagged. But then again, I mean, like, if you're, you know, he 1212 01:17:24,390 --> 01:17:26,490 had good points. He's like, hey, early adopters, you know, you're 1213 01:17:26,490 --> 01:17:28,050 you're just burying the people 1214 01:17:28,410 --> 01:17:32,130 that are actually that actually. Give it a try. That's for sure. 1215 01:17:32,340 --> 01:17:32,970 Yeah. 1216 01:17:33,690 --> 01:17:39,000 It makes sense. Yeah. I feel you have a door. Yes. I think that's 1217 01:17:39,000 --> 01:17:43,980 an easy thing to do. was Steven, does that work for you? Tell me 1218 01:17:43,980 --> 01:17:46,440 if it does. If it doesn't, we'll we'll figure something else out. 1219 01:17:49,500 --> 01:17:53,190 All right. What else do you have on your list? Because we've just 1220 01:17:53,190 --> 01:17:55,200 been yapping and yapping and yapping. 1221 01:17:56,880 --> 01:18:00,300 Oh, yeah, we had been going for a while. I'm let me I got other 1222 01:18:00,300 --> 01:18:00,780 stuff. 1223 01:18:02,610 --> 01:18:05,220 You're going off mic? Yo, yo 1224 01:18:05,220 --> 01:18:10,590 had to reach down and get my pad. Has Nate Oh, yeah. The 1225 01:18:10,590 --> 01:18:15,780 namespace phase six. Starting to get back into that a little bit. 1226 01:18:16,020 --> 01:18:18,270 But I think we need to start looking at it. Yeah. 1227 01:18:19,350 --> 01:18:20,340 In quite a while. 1228 01:18:20,999 --> 01:18:24,209 Yes, I'm thinking remote item and clearly is 1229 01:18:24,959 --> 01:18:27,749 remote item something that should wait until we have some 1230 01:18:27,749 --> 01:18:31,049 music in there. Because it's really for playlists, and I 1231 01:18:31,049 --> 01:18:34,709 don't see how it's going to be used that much before then. 1232 01:18:36,359 --> 01:18:37,199 Maybe it's just me. 1233 01:18:38,190 --> 01:18:43,320 No, I think I mean, I think it can be used for I think can be 1234 01:18:43,320 --> 01:18:46,500 can be used for lots of things. I mean, playlist of videos too. 1235 01:18:46,500 --> 01:18:51,390 And there's 7251 feeds in there with video. And those are 1236 01:18:51,390 --> 01:18:55,500 organic. Those are organic. The none of those have been 1237 01:18:55,530 --> 01:18:57,030 modelled. 1238 01:18:57,060 --> 01:19:00,630 I also have no way to find them in any app as far as I know. 1239 01:19:01,350 --> 01:19:03,270 Yeah. But yeah, it's 1240 01:19:03,300 --> 01:19:07,350 there was a is there an endpoint where I can say show video only? 1241 01:19:07,920 --> 01:19:09,300 Or main idea. Okay. 1242 01:19:09,870 --> 01:19:12,330 I'm still I'm still trying to work out this stuff with videos. 1243 01:19:12,570 --> 01:19:15,030 Some of these endpoints get funky. That's it. So that's 1244 01:19:15,030 --> 01:19:19,950 another topic there. He does, like live, my first thought was, 1245 01:19:19,950 --> 01:19:24,270 Okay, put live. We're gonna I'm going to modify the endpoint for 1246 01:19:24,270 --> 01:19:29,370 episodes by feed ID and make it returned both regular podcast 1247 01:19:29,370 --> 01:19:34,020 items and live items. That way, it's one call for the for the 1248 01:19:34,020 --> 01:19:38,220 app and they get both if they want it, right. That still feels 1249 01:19:38,220 --> 01:19:42,900 okay. I mean, it's it feels alright. But then I start 1250 01:19:42,900 --> 01:19:45,150 thinking, you know, maybe, maybe that just needs to be a 1251 01:19:45,150 --> 01:19:49,860 different thing altogether. Maybe instead of episodes by 1252 01:19:49,860 --> 01:19:54,720 feed ID. Maybe it needs to be live by feed ID. I'm just trying 1253 01:19:54,720 --> 01:19:57,360 to figure out for efficiency sake. 1254 01:19:58,020 --> 01:20:01,920 I think you know how to do a poll mastered on pole. A pole. 1255 01:20:02,070 --> 01:20:06,930 Yes, seems to be a great way to determine what we want to do. 1256 01:20:07,350 --> 01:20:13,680 Yeah, yes. Yeah, I'll just pull an Elan and say, Should I shut 1257 01:20:13,680 --> 01:20:18,720 down the API today? And you know, yes or no, exactly. No, I 1258 01:20:18,720 --> 01:20:22,290 think. I don't know. I don't think there's any right answers 1259 01:20:22,290 --> 01:20:26,580 for this. Because for the end, for one thing, it makes people 1260 01:20:26,580 --> 01:20:31,260 coming in and grabbing stuff out of the, out of that endpoint for 1261 01:20:31,260 --> 01:20:35,370 the feet podcast, or excuse me for episodes by feed ID. It 1262 01:20:35,370 --> 01:20:39,270 gives them back alive items. It gives them live out his back, 1263 01:20:39,270 --> 01:20:42,690 and they're like, Oh, what's this? You know, which is what I 1264 01:20:42,690 --> 01:20:44,760 would say to myself, if I got that back. I would, as a 1265 01:20:44,760 --> 01:20:48,810 developer, I would say, Oh, what's this? Right? It's, I was 1266 01:20:48,810 --> 01:20:51,540 expecting episodes. And now I have this thing called Live 1267 01:20:51,540 --> 01:20:55,530 episodes in here. Which is cool. So maybe I should put that in my 1268 01:20:55,530 --> 01:20:55,980 app. 1269 01:20:56,190 --> 01:21:01,890 Okay. It's so rich, it's such a rich API you've built our day, 1270 01:21:02,850 --> 01:21:06,060 you're really gonna be really proud of what you've built here. 1271 01:21:07,650 --> 01:21:10,650 I'm trying to keep it from becoming an unwieldy monster. 1272 01:21:10,680 --> 01:21:13,470 That's what's really going on here. I want you have to 1273 01:21:13,470 --> 01:21:17,040 maintain some structure and something that makes sense 1274 01:21:17,040 --> 01:21:21,390 otherwise you just end up with a big mess. And so I'm trying to 1275 01:21:21,390 --> 01:21:24,570 keep as we add more and more things, I don't want it to just 1276 01:21:24,570 --> 01:21:26,520 become a like bowl of noodles. You know, 1277 01:21:27,330 --> 01:21:30,720 there's the title Thank you took me a while but bowl of noodles 1278 01:21:33,720 --> 01:21:36,900 that's you know, that's that's always the that's always the 1279 01:21:36,900 --> 01:21:39,630 fear there. Because you start everybody's every web developer 1280 01:21:39,630 --> 01:21:42,870 knows this. You start out with your like, your you create your 1281 01:21:42,870 --> 01:21:47,790 new project, you add your CSS, your stylesheet and then you're 1282 01:21:47,790 --> 01:21:51,780 like, Man, this time this project I'm going to keep 1283 01:21:51,780 --> 01:21:52,410 everything 1284 01:21:53,070 --> 01:21:56,850 is coming so beautifully. Yeah, it's gonna be fine. No worries, 1285 01:21:56,880 --> 01:21:58,980 we got got recovered in three 1286 01:21:58,980 --> 01:22:01,500 months into it, you can't find anything in that thing. And it's 1287 01:22:01,500 --> 01:22:04,200 a complete mess and you're ready to burn it to the ground. 1288 01:22:04,950 --> 01:22:07,140 I have that all the time with my rush projects 1289 01:22:07,650 --> 01:22:09,840 that you did. Very easy to do. 1290 01:22:12,210 --> 01:22:15,450 So we thank a couple people. This does take more than a 1291 01:22:15,450 --> 01:22:18,000 couple of listening. Yeah, we do have quite a few. Quite a few to 1292 01:22:18,000 --> 01:22:23,340 thank, I believe Let me see. 1000 staffs and above for the 1293 01:22:23,370 --> 01:22:29,550 for the for the lit booths that have been coming in metus 9999 1294 01:22:29,580 --> 01:22:34,860 And he says streamer streaming of course he would either nine 1295 01:22:34,860 --> 01:22:39,120 or nine and that's right 7777 From tone wrecker. Like that I 1296 01:22:39,120 --> 01:22:41,400 late to the live stream today but it wasn't active week with 1297 01:22:41,400 --> 01:22:43,830 Wave Lake launching many new features appeared in carrying 1298 01:22:43,830 --> 01:22:46,830 the music tag which can be observed and compare options and 1299 01:22:46,830 --> 01:22:49,890 functionality. appreciate everyone working on this. Well, 1300 01:22:49,890 --> 01:22:50,640 what are those? 1301 01:22:52,320 --> 01:22:56,550 They're in the they're in the they're in the live the the 1302 01:22:56,550 --> 01:23:00,990 endpoint return, but they're all buried in Stevens Point there. 1303 01:23:01,350 --> 01:23:01,470 You 1304 01:23:02,219 --> 01:23:08,609 got it. Okay. Chad F 3333. Todd Cochran needs some live booths 1305 01:23:08,609 --> 01:23:11,969 for a live demo he's doing check his latest toot and that's on 1306 01:23:11,969 --> 01:23:16,349 podcast index dot social that's very cool man. Chimp comes in 1307 01:23:16,349 --> 01:23:25,619 with 22,126 Real men boost lips says chamber knowing got 69,420 1308 01:23:25,649 --> 01:23:29,399 No code there. Eastside Tony. In the morning, gentlemen, thank 1309 01:23:29,399 --> 01:23:32,249 you, Adam and Dave for all the hard work you do for the P 2.0. 1310 01:23:32,249 --> 01:23:34,739 Community also shout out to all the trolls in the audience. 1311 01:23:34,739 --> 01:23:40,679 Follow me on defend the network lit DTN lit on no agenda tube to 1312 01:23:40,709 --> 01:23:46,079 keep up with Oh yes. Wow. You could you could do that away 1313 01:23:46,079 --> 01:23:49,949 from the mic. I mean, it literally got wet when you do 1314 01:23:49,949 --> 01:23:50,249 that. 1315 01:23:52,530 --> 01:23:54,960 away from the mic. I just got a man sighs nose. 1316 01:23:57,210 --> 01:24:02,790 Thank you. E sigh Tony 33,333 from Eric peepee health karma 1317 01:24:02,790 --> 01:24:06,870 for Dave ah, you know what I should I do? I have karma here. 1318 01:24:07,320 --> 01:24:10,410 I have some karma. Yeah, I got some health karma. 1319 01:24:10,800 --> 01:24:17,040 Of course at right now. You've got karma. Legends, fuzzy, 1320 01:24:18,060 --> 01:24:21,720 hard hat one on one on one. Technical difficulties, please 1321 01:24:21,720 --> 01:24:24,900 boost boost. Hey, we had a little problem earlier on. And 1322 01:24:24,900 --> 01:24:30,240 there's Todd Cochran with 50,000 SATs. He says presenting 2.0 to 1323 01:24:30,240 --> 01:24:34,290 over 500 podcasters at pod fest education is key of 500 in the 1324 01:24:34,290 --> 01:24:38,160 audience, only five knew about podcasting. 2.0 We need to 1325 01:24:38,160 --> 01:24:41,670 spread the word boost boost and you're doing just that Todd 1326 01:24:41,700 --> 01:24:47,670 Thank you, brother. Good, good job. There 6969 from our 1327 01:24:47,700 --> 01:24:54,540 contracts as 5000 from chaos 99 another great episode I love 1328 01:24:54,540 --> 01:24:58,230 when a plan comes together said every podcasting 2.0 app ever. 1329 01:24:58,620 --> 01:25:05,640 Yep. Then We have Lyceum 221,905 satoshi 1330 01:25:07,830 --> 01:25:10,440 20 is Blaze only Impala 1331 01:25:10,440 --> 01:25:14,280 from the booster gram numerology page rands day boost of two to 1332 01:25:14,280 --> 01:25:19,140 1905 Satoshis I in rands birthday, February 2 1905. Best 1333 01:25:19,140 --> 01:25:23,010 premises. This is of course, Martin Linda's koge Lyceum on 1334 01:25:23,010 --> 01:25:26,430 podcast index dot social. Thank you, brother. Very nice. Thank 1335 01:25:26,430 --> 01:25:31,920 you very much, Martin. Rasta Calavera 4343 on the 43rd day 1336 01:25:31,920 --> 01:25:35,430 there was much rejoicing. What am I missing there? What am I 1337 01:25:35,430 --> 01:25:36,060 missing there? 1338 01:25:36,240 --> 01:25:38,640 I don't know. I don't know, either. 1339 01:25:39,870 --> 01:25:44,730 You see, and I think that was what we got for the live booths 1340 01:25:44,730 --> 01:25:47,520 yet. At least that's what I have. If I miss you. I'm sorry. 1341 01:25:47,520 --> 01:25:52,170 We'll though there's one more that just came in 25,000 from 1342 01:25:52,230 --> 01:25:57,660 bore log. b o r e l o g, the two of you are gifted the industry. 1343 01:25:57,690 --> 01:25:58,920 I appreciate all of your work. 1344 01:25:59,880 --> 01:26:00,630 I don't know about that. 1345 01:26:02,130 --> 01:26:03,990 Industry may disagree, but 1346 01:26:05,040 --> 01:26:06,180 they have a different opinion. 1347 01:26:07,380 --> 01:26:10,770 What do we have? That came in previously? Dave? 1348 01:26:11,340 --> 01:26:18,060 We have. We have three top notch special pay bills right now. We 1349 01:26:18,060 --> 01:26:21,030 have a Marco with $500. 1350 01:26:21,240 --> 01:26:22,620 He's got at bolo. 1351 01:26:23,010 --> 01:26:27,510 Sakala 20 is Blaze on am Paula actually forgot 1352 01:26:27,510 --> 01:26:31,650 to thank him on a chat F pointed out to me and thanking everyone 1353 01:26:31,650 --> 01:26:34,890 who was who has supported us in a big way the hosting companies 1354 01:26:35,760 --> 01:26:39,720 and omitted Marco apologies for that. Because it's very much 1355 01:26:39,720 --> 01:26:43,740 appreciated this every month, right? Every month is every 1356 01:26:43,740 --> 01:26:47,820 month, $6,000 a year. And think about that. 1357 01:26:49,110 --> 01:26:56,730 And I'll just instil no not even a 2.0 Not any 2.0 support yet in 1358 01:26:57,360 --> 01:27:01,590 in overcast and see still I mean he's supporting us just based on 1359 01:27:01,590 --> 01:27:05,460 the Bino the principle of the thing the ideology that that 1360 01:27:05,460 --> 01:27:09,270 means a lot I mean like he's not even really he's basically 1361 01:27:09,270 --> 01:27:12,510 supporting the idea in the in the principles and the platform. 1362 01:27:13,110 --> 01:27:17,820 And you know with what you know, one day he'll he'll do live and 1363 01:27:17,820 --> 01:27:21,210 these other things I'm sure but the main it's nice to see that 1364 01:27:21,210 --> 01:27:23,280 it's like somebody's like yes, I'll just support you and 1365 01:27:23,610 --> 01:27:25,920 support you in principle even if I'm not there yet. 1366 01:27:26,040 --> 01:27:29,280 And I fully appreciate I love that you said ideology because 1367 01:27:29,280 --> 01:27:32,760 I'm sure we have different ideology in general maybe 1368 01:27:32,760 --> 01:27:36,330 political thinking or or whatever and that that is 1369 01:27:36,330 --> 01:27:39,060 enhanced across the border brother that is so cool. 1370 01:27:39,510 --> 01:27:44,970 Yeah, yeah. See Mike 500 month 500 A month is a Tennessee child 1371 01:27:44,970 --> 01:27:51,270 support payment No. It is. It is Alabama wins see 1372 01:27:51,270 --> 01:27:53,250 Mike I think has 11 kids actually, 1373 01:27:53,550 --> 01:27:58,350 though he wouldn't know those stats Yeah. Buzzsprout are boys 1374 01:27:58,500 --> 01:28:03,360 boys over Buzzsprout Kevin and Tom and Alvin in the gang if 1375 01:28:03,360 --> 01:28:04,590 $500 every 1376 01:28:06,780 --> 01:28:09,510 20 blades on the Impala 1377 01:28:09,600 --> 01:28:12,540 yeah thank you guys it's end of the month we get the ballers the 1378 01:28:12,540 --> 01:28:15,180 ballers dropping big balls at the end of the month here. 1379 01:28:16,530 --> 01:28:19,890 Yeah, when they've got they got a new subscription product, 1380 01:28:19,920 --> 01:28:25,890 which looks kind of cool. But drop nothing. Yeah, I was 1381 01:28:25,890 --> 01:28:27,930 looking at that. And yeah, we've been looking for a PayPal 1382 01:28:27,930 --> 01:28:29,190 subscription replacement. 1383 01:28:30,720 --> 01:28:36,150 And they said, Tom said Did you know they wrote they rolled it 1384 01:28:36,150 --> 01:28:42,090 out sort of as is and then it's, you know, when we get when we 1385 01:28:42,090 --> 01:28:44,250 get something in place to do open, you know, open 1386 01:28:44,250 --> 01:28:46,620 subscriptions, which is sort of a background thing we've been 1387 01:28:46,830 --> 01:28:50,250 working on over the months, when we get something finalized on 1388 01:28:50,250 --> 01:28:54,180 that, you know, they can pivot and incorporate that as well. 1389 01:28:54,210 --> 01:28:57,840 You know, support support both. Just I like that kind of stuff. 1390 01:28:57,870 --> 01:29:01,080 Like if so, you know, you build a thing and you're like okay, 1391 01:29:01,080 --> 01:29:03,990 well you know, we'll build it now because we heard we want it 1392 01:29:03,990 --> 01:29:07,020 for our business potential. As soon as the open and open thing 1393 01:29:07,020 --> 01:29:10,260 comes along we'll add that into because like it's Fiat right? 1394 01:29:11,370 --> 01:29:13,800 For net Yes. For now it is but they did the value for value 1395 01:29:13,800 --> 01:29:15,420 thing. So that 1396 01:29:16,710 --> 01:29:19,650 they could make it it could be value for about the only the 1397 01:29:19,650 --> 01:29:21,960 only promise of payment amount you want. Yeah, I'm gonna have 1398 01:29:21,960 --> 01:29:25,020 to sell the 15% fee to DeVore act is gonna be hard. 1399 01:29:26,040 --> 01:29:27,360 Oh, okay. Oh, yeah. 1400 01:29:27,390 --> 01:29:33,030 He hates PayPal for what did they take? 4% they say? Yeah, 1401 01:29:33,090 --> 01:29:38,910 yeah. Well, I can try it. That's why if it's if it's if it's 1402 01:29:38,910 --> 01:29:46,500 Satoshis I can probably hide it. He won't know. I think I think I 1403 01:29:46,500 --> 01:29:47,550 can hide it from dad. 1404 01:29:49,080 --> 01:29:53,310 Fountain $200 Speaking hide from dead. Wow. 1405 01:29:53,340 --> 01:29:54,330 Thank you very much. 1406 01:29:56,550 --> 01:29:59,250 20 blades on the Impala. 1407 01:30:00,599 --> 01:30:03,899 Appreciate appreciate Oscars fun having him on the show. That was 1408 01:30:03,899 --> 01:30:08,519 great. Wow. Yeah, cool. Oh yeah, we got some boosts we got some 1409 01:30:08,519 --> 01:30:16,499 normal boosts 12345 from drips got mountain in his messages RMS 1410 01:30:16,499 --> 01:30:20,729 bass dash RF space four slash asterisk. drab. You're trying to 1411 01:30:20,729 --> 01:30:26,849 wipe my machine. Thanks a lot, man. Thank you. He's trying to 1412 01:30:26,849 --> 01:30:27,749 hack our node. 1413 01:30:27,840 --> 01:30:34,050 Dred Scott who does? He does? Chapters for pretty much every 1414 01:30:34,050 --> 01:30:40,590 podcast I've ever heard of. He is an extractor machine. He is a 1415 01:30:40,590 --> 01:30:44,130 chapter machine and we put them in for 5% All these podcasts. 1416 01:30:44,160 --> 01:30:46,590 He's probably driving a Corvette by now. 1417 01:30:48,330 --> 01:30:49,770 saving up for Lambo. Lambo. 1418 01:30:50,310 --> 01:30:53,460 Lambo, a Lambo emblem yes okay a jacket 1419 01:30:53,910 --> 01:30:57,120 his jacket and Nomad Joe 1000 SATs through fountain he says 1420 01:30:57,120 --> 01:30:58,740 Good show thinking no magic you 1421 01:30:58,740 --> 01:31:02,250 see Mike said 4% is only what Pay Pal takes in terms of money 1422 01:31:02,250 --> 01:31:03,690 they also take your soul 1423 01:31:04,740 --> 01:31:10,350 that's worth a lot more than Yes. CO McCormack. 133 33 1424 01:31:10,350 --> 01:31:13,830 through bounties as my podcast is a Satoshi exclusive 1425 01:31:13,830 --> 01:31:16,320 experience. Go podcasting 1426 01:31:18,450 --> 01:31:22,230 also got a 12345 from Mike go with the same requests go 1427 01:31:22,230 --> 01:31:24,540 podcasting. Thanks Mike. Just shot 1428 01:31:25,500 --> 01:31:28,860 another drips got 33 333 Three pod versus his chapters for 1429 01:31:28,860 --> 01:31:31,890 episode 118 have been published enjoy boosting from pod verse to 1430 01:31:31,890 --> 01:31:35,130 see if the boost appears in Fountain boost. Yeah, 1431 01:31:35,130 --> 01:31:41,280 so I put this I did what Oscar told me to do. Yeah. To put my 1432 01:31:41,280 --> 01:31:48,570 own wallet in for 1%. And he had to change something because he 1433 01:31:48,570 --> 01:31:51,120 saw that only showed up here or there. I'm not quite sure. But 1434 01:31:51,120 --> 01:31:53,820 if something's working and he's working on it, so it should it 1435 01:31:53,820 --> 01:31:59,490 should, it should work. So booths from other. It's kind of 1436 01:31:59,490 --> 01:32:02,790 fun. I didn't realize that. Basically I'm sending a 1% to 1437 01:32:02,790 --> 01:32:08,010 myself in the fountain Yeah, in the fountain wallet. I'd be 1438 01:32:08,010 --> 01:32:12,120 happy to just send send the 1% to them, but it's very friendly. 1439 01:32:12,120 --> 01:32:15,900 So you add yourself for 1% in the split for your own fountain 1440 01:32:16,230 --> 01:32:21,120 address. And then apparently any any other booths from any other 1441 01:32:21,120 --> 01:32:26,100 app will also show up in the fountain lightning boost 1442 01:32:26,100 --> 01:32:26,760 comments. 1443 01:32:27,330 --> 01:32:30,120 Let's Oh my buddy Tim from the GG diary podcast I was like well 1444 01:32:30,120 --> 01:32:34,290 now because we talked to Oscar net last week and now I know how 1445 01:32:34,290 --> 01:32:37,350 to game the system. So now I can boost you to the top of the 1446 01:32:37,350 --> 01:32:42,150 chart whenever at will ya Yes yes. And it's important to know 1447 01:32:42,150 --> 01:32:43,170 how to manipulate the alga 1448 01:32:43,290 --> 01:32:46,860 what's interesting is you know, I put pastor Jimmy and Damon net 1449 01:32:47,310 --> 01:32:51,150 that got their their show up and running, which is about a half 1450 01:32:51,150 --> 01:32:55,770 an hour every week living up in a down world and and they've 1451 01:32:55,770 --> 01:33:00,450 created a community on fountain and I didn't say anything, you 1452 01:33:00,450 --> 01:33:04,320 know, just kind of happened in the because he was using 1453 01:33:04,320 --> 01:33:07,590 fountain and so now they you know they talk about their 1454 01:33:07,590 --> 01:33:11,850 community on fountain. I mean that that was like whoa, I'm not 1455 01:33:11,850 --> 01:33:15,420 gonna say don't do that. I'm just gonna see how that plays 1456 01:33:15,420 --> 01:33:18,660 out and hopefully people will boost him from other apps. Like 1457 01:33:18,660 --> 01:33:18,870 I'm 1458 01:33:19,410 --> 01:33:22,080 like I'm Parfitt says pay you know Pay Pal takes 4% and the 1459 01:33:22,080 --> 01:33:24,120 occasional 2500 When you say something they don't like 1460 01:33:24,810 --> 01:33:27,750 details matters detail cost of doing business. 1461 01:33:28,080 --> 01:33:30,720 Jean Everett 10,000 SATs through fountain says boost 1462 01:33:30,720 --> 01:33:33,780 boost boost boost boost boost Thank you g 1463 01:33:34,380 --> 01:33:37,680 another gene ever 1000 says this is Oscar love you friend but wow 1464 01:33:37,680 --> 01:33:41,130 fountain is bugging me for now what's up? Oh, 1465 01:33:42,150 --> 01:33:45,780 shit happens. Come on. It's amazing. any of this stuff works 1466 01:33:45,810 --> 01:33:46,800 at all. 1467 01:33:47,549 --> 01:33:51,179 Yep, find a software with no bugs. They don't this is not 1468 01:33:51,179 --> 01:33:51,449 many. 1469 01:33:51,480 --> 01:33:53,970 Yeah, like try the FAA. Yes. 1470 01:33:55,380 --> 01:33:56,790 I still do deleted a file 1471 01:33:57,330 --> 01:34:00,030 yet right? I'll never forget when I started flying 1472 01:34:00,030 --> 01:34:06,030 helicopters. I was flying the Eurocopter. The Eurocopter there 1473 01:34:06,030 --> 01:34:10,500 was a 1:20am and the first time I got in you boot everything up 1474 01:34:10,500 --> 01:34:14,220 you turn on all the avionics and it was windows 3.1 I'm like holy 1475 01:34:14,250 --> 01:34:20,670 crap I do not want to fly let me out good at all. Like it's fine. 1476 01:34:20,670 --> 01:34:21,540 It's always works. 1477 01:34:22,590 --> 01:34:25,980 You'd feel better you would have felt better if it said MS DOS 1478 01:34:25,980 --> 01:34:27,990 six probably have Windows three. 1479 01:34:28,800 --> 01:34:30,060 Vax whatever 1480 01:34:32,070 --> 01:34:36,480 12345 from Brian of London through fountain and he says my 1481 01:34:36,480 --> 01:34:40,350 dive the a boost system is being rewritten but I'll do some ad 1482 01:34:40,350 --> 01:34:42,810 hoc boosting in the meantime, using fountain today for this 1483 01:34:42,810 --> 01:34:45,060 episode, obviously. Thank you, Brian. 1484 01:34:45,270 --> 01:34:47,070 Very much. Bombs Hill. 1485 01:34:48,000 --> 01:34:50,400 Oh, Roy Schonfeld. 54321 1486 01:34:51,150 --> 01:34:52,800 There you go. There you go. 1487 01:34:53,340 --> 01:34:56,790 He says perhaps activity feed should be part of the pie 1488 01:34:56,790 --> 01:34:57,540 Standard. 1489 01:35:00,000 --> 01:35:01,140 Oh, oh, 1490 01:35:01,410 --> 01:35:04,410 like the fountain activity feed. 1491 01:35:04,860 --> 01:35:09,270 Well from what I understand that super secret Sam set the project 1492 01:35:09,270 --> 01:35:13,170 pod fans is also going to have some version of an activity feed 1493 01:35:13,950 --> 01:35:17,700 and I know that he's talked to Oscar about it there's stuff 1494 01:35:17,700 --> 01:35:20,460 going on we the children are playing without us Dave I have 1495 01:35:20,460 --> 01:35:22,950 no idea what they're doing but something's going on with them. 1496 01:35:23,250 --> 01:35:24,990 That's not not a bad idea. 1497 01:35:25,410 --> 01:35:29,430 Yeah, that mean like that once you see a sharp couple of things 1498 01:35:29,430 --> 01:35:32,520 work and you can then you can know what to what to work 1499 01:35:32,520 --> 01:35:35,520 towards standardize and watch the community and see what's 1500 01:35:36,270 --> 01:35:37,380 bubbling up to the top 1501 01:35:37,410 --> 01:35:39,300 that's a very interesting idea 1502 01:35:44,850 --> 01:35:46,800 Thank you Roy. Yeah, and 1503 01:35:46,800 --> 01:35:51,390 then you mean that can be baked on top of activity pub or 1504 01:35:51,390 --> 01:35:55,920 something like that. Oh man. Yeah, that's it. That's it. I 1505 01:35:55,920 --> 01:35:57,690 like that idea. My mind is spinning. 1506 01:35:58,320 --> 01:36:00,390 We need to get we'll go into that when we have money show. 1507 01:36:00,690 --> 01:36:06,270 Oh, look who it is. No, it's no it's Dave Jackson the legendary 1508 01:36:06,270 --> 01:36:08,820 podcast the Hall of Fame podcaster don't want an only 1509 01:36:09,150 --> 01:36:12,660 Yeah 20,000 says their cast dramatic he says anchors river 1510 01:36:12,660 --> 01:36:14,580 have garbage the sage indeed. 1511 01:36:15,450 --> 01:36:17,940 Thank you, Dave Jackson everybody. 1512 01:36:20,370 --> 01:36:25,560 Sir Spencer 33 333 through curio caster and he says can I help 1513 01:36:25,560 --> 01:36:30,000 parse these 44,000 Music feeds down somewhere last time I was 1514 01:36:30,000 --> 01:36:33,060 on and looking through music feeds there are not many I saw 1515 01:36:33,060 --> 01:36:36,210 that were truly music it will craft has aired its last episode 1516 01:36:36,210 --> 01:36:38,520 and I'm looking to get more involved in whatever the future 1517 01:36:38,520 --> 01:36:41,850 of music medium tag will look like. Yeah, they will start 1518 01:36:41,850 --> 01:36:43,530 working on that sir Spencer Good Good, good 1519 01:36:43,560 --> 01:36:44,790 guy. I love seeing this 1520 01:36:45,570 --> 01:36:49,350 anonymous 2222 It was it was a good tribe and 1521 01:36:49,410 --> 01:36:51,780 I want to say something I got a note from someone I can't 1522 01:36:51,780 --> 01:36:55,350 remember who it was. And they tried to put their music on 1523 01:36:55,350 --> 01:36:55,920 anchor 1524 01:36:57,120 --> 01:36:59,220 and they you get rejected immediately kicked 1525 01:36:59,220 --> 01:37:01,890 off immediately. This is not when even if it's your own music 1526 01:37:01,920 --> 01:37:04,920 even that's the email said even if you've licensed it yourself 1527 01:37:04,920 --> 01:37:09,090 is oh your own stuff. No, no, no. And that of course is is 1528 01:37:09,090 --> 01:37:13,950 very interesting because it's their business competing inside 1529 01:37:13,950 --> 01:37:14,880 their own business. 1530 01:37:16,320 --> 01:37:23,220 Spotify, it is the strangest company in this regard, in in 1531 01:37:23,220 --> 01:37:27,870 the way that they want you to be a customer but never use the 1532 01:37:27,870 --> 01:37:28,500 service. 1533 01:37:28,530 --> 01:37:31,140 They're the ABA of podcast companies. Oops. 1534 01:37:34,590 --> 01:37:37,950 It's like it's like, please sign up for our service but don't 1535 01:37:37,950 --> 01:37:39,090 actually listen to any music. 1536 01:37:39,150 --> 01:37:43,170 I got to play some ABA now. When should we play what ABA we play? 1537 01:37:44,220 --> 01:37:45,510 Are you familiar with any ABA? 1538 01:37:46,710 --> 01:37:50,250 Only I don't know the titles I only know the known when I hear 1539 01:37:50,250 --> 01:37:58,560 him. Like I can't name them all I remember is like hazy glowy 1540 01:37:58,560 --> 01:38:03,840 videos. Yeah, all the women had feathered hair. This is 1541 01:38:04,620 --> 01:38:08,340 okay. Oh my goodness clean. Yeah, of course. Dancing Queen 1542 01:38:08,340 --> 01:38:13,050 is too easy people now you got to do something like deep cut. I 1543 01:38:13,080 --> 01:38:16,860 was not a deep cut but I mean, I grew up with ABA and believe it 1544 01:38:16,860 --> 01:38:23,430 or not, and here's what I would play this is this is their their 1545 01:38:23,430 --> 01:38:27,600 prayer for the day. Ladies and gentlemen, Spotify says Money 1546 01:38:27,600 --> 01:38:37,740 money money or this one? Yes, yes. Let me say get the chorus 1547 01:38:38,700 --> 01:38:50,430 was in a Spotify we're sorry. 1548 01:38:51,090 --> 01:38:54,720 That's it. That's the hook that you know every DJ can just do 1549 01:38:54,720 --> 01:38:56,370 wonders with you could throw Yeah, 1550 01:38:56,580 --> 01:38:58,710 you can do it forever. I can go on forever with that song 1551 01:38:58,740 --> 01:38:59,430 Absolutely. 1552 01:39:01,380 --> 01:39:06,090 Anonymous 2222 through cast ematic no note gives nothing the 1553 01:39:06,090 --> 01:39:10,200 next time I see Dubs. 7777 striper boost, yo yo podcast 1554 01:39:10,200 --> 01:39:14,370 index web page, and he says boost bought now has 777 Angel 1555 01:39:14,370 --> 01:39:23,130 boost. Yes. Oh, nice. Another seed up. 7777 say the boost CLI 1556 01:39:23,130 --> 01:39:25,350 and he says now with Angel boost. I don't know what this 1557 01:39:25,350 --> 01:39:27,750 angel boost thing is 7777 1558 01:39:27,750 --> 01:39:28,770 That's an angel boost. 1559 01:39:29,190 --> 01:39:30,420 Okay, that's okay. So 1560 01:39:30,810 --> 01:39:33,450 we talked about riper, but okay. It's fine. You can do an angel. 1561 01:39:33,960 --> 01:39:34,500 Yeah, there's 1562 01:39:34,500 --> 01:39:39,480 different different tribes. See Dubs. 1111. Essential of 1563 01:39:39,480 --> 01:39:46,200 Richard's to the boost CLI. Mere Mortals podcast roadex 2222 1564 01:39:46,200 --> 01:39:49,290 through fountain and he says boosting to fund Dave's stats 1565 01:39:49,320 --> 01:39:53,040 Addiction Rehab. We'll have to wean him off Excel sheets over a 1566 01:39:53,040 --> 01:39:55,800 year can't just go cold turkey on that. Just kidding Dave. love 1567 01:39:55,800 --> 01:39:56,250 you man. 1568 01:40:00,000 --> 01:40:05,160 Anthony Bryan Bryan was an I sent me an actual satchel of 1569 01:40:05,160 --> 01:40:10,890 Richard's which is a bag of gummies that have a ace Richard 1570 01:40:10,890 --> 01:40:11,520 like look 1571 01:40:12,180 --> 01:40:13,470 okay, and I 1572 01:40:13,470 --> 01:40:15,540 could I could with my with my teeth and everything I could 1573 01:40:15,540 --> 01:40:18,960 have one maybe a day, you know because I'd have to go clean it 1574 01:40:18,960 --> 01:40:19,980 all out Colima 1575 01:40:19,980 --> 01:40:21,210 yeah get them out of the crevice and 1576 01:40:21,210 --> 01:40:25,740 then I had to and then all of a sudden Tina had eaten the whole 1577 01:40:25,740 --> 01:40:32,220 satchel Richards she felt really bad about it. She just I 1578 01:40:32,220 --> 01:40:34,470 couldn't help it. I'm like, do you Did you see what you're 1579 01:40:34,470 --> 01:40:34,980 eating? 1580 01:40:36,450 --> 01:40:38,370 Pringles you can't get you can't have just one. 1581 01:40:38,400 --> 01:40:40,350 That's right. You can't just have one, Richard. 1582 01:40:40,770 --> 01:40:46,530 No, no, I mean, once you go down that path, you're all chyron 1583 01:40:46,530 --> 01:40:50,490 again for the minerals podcast podcast 43 to tin the curio 1584 01:40:50,490 --> 01:40:53,520 caster and he says shamelessly Self plugging and suggesting 1585 01:40:53,760 --> 01:40:56,130 that if anyone wants to hear more in depth about fountain 1586 01:40:56,130 --> 01:40:58,650 they check out the mere mortals for the Convo I just had with 1587 01:40:58,650 --> 01:41:02,460 Oscar Ronica listen to some of these through curio caster he 1588 01:41:03,960 --> 01:41:07,800 is very ironic. I was pretty good I listened to probably 40 1589 01:41:07,800 --> 01:41:11,340 minutes of it and that was an interesting conversation. Karen 1590 01:41:11,340 --> 01:41:15,960 is a good interviewer it when clearly between us having the 1591 01:41:15,960 --> 01:41:19,680 Oscar Ron and Kira and Kira is much better much better at the 1592 01:41:19,680 --> 01:41:20,190 interview 1593 01:41:20,820 --> 01:41:29,280 yeah yeah we so kinda speak for yourself Richard Jean been 22 to 1594 01:41:29,280 --> 01:41:32,970 22 through founded and he says listen to this episode in an app 1595 01:41:32,970 --> 01:41:35,310 other than fountain just didn't feel right had to switch over 1596 01:41:35,310 --> 01:41:36,510 when Oscar came into the boardroom 1597 01:41:37,350 --> 01:41:38,310 yeah there you go 1598 01:41:43,020 --> 01:41:47,460 Jean been leaked loose 1337 And he says no idea why Adam was 1599 01:41:47,460 --> 01:41:49,860 setting up a MoonPie and fountain I had to do the photo 1600 01:41:49,860 --> 01:41:52,080 of my license and the selfie pictures where I had to move my 1601 01:41:52,110 --> 01:41:54,720 head left and right as part of their to se ha 1602 01:41:55,830 --> 01:42:01,260 and where's he? What country is you? Don't know that's 1603 01:42:01,260 --> 01:42:03,450 interesting because I didn't have to do it. Tina didn't have 1604 01:42:03,450 --> 01:42:06,210 to do it. Other people I know didn't have to do it. 1605 01:42:06,660 --> 01:42:10,650 Clearly he's on a no like a no no fly list. Yeah, yeah. No set 1606 01:42:10,650 --> 01:42:15,060 list. Did you see where the no fly list leaked? Somebody stuck 1607 01:42:15,060 --> 01:42:17,820 it up on a Yep, seems on an open s3 bucket seems 1608 01:42:17,820 --> 01:42:20,100 to me that you know if our national security 1609 01:42:20,100 --> 01:42:25,020 infrastructures handing out Excel sheets to airlines and 1610 01:42:25,020 --> 01:42:30,870 that is the that is the no fly list. No wonder it's impossible 1611 01:42:30,870 --> 01:42:34,020 to get off that thing. I mean, who's in charge of replacing it 1612 01:42:34,020 --> 01:42:36,960 on the s3 bucket? I mean, seriously, people what is going 1613 01:42:36,960 --> 01:42:37,830 on with this? 1614 01:42:37,950 --> 01:42:40,680 Somebody set the read only flag on the phone. They just nobody's 1615 01:42:40,680 --> 01:42:42,450 ever know. Figure out turn it off. So you just can't get off 1616 01:42:42,450 --> 01:42:42,840 of this. 1617 01:42:43,200 --> 01:42:47,160 Oh, maybe that's why s3 decided to change some things. 1618 01:42:47,700 --> 01:42:52,950 Yeah. Oh, yeah. That may be why Yeah. Could be gene been 22 to 1619 01:42:52,950 --> 01:42:56,580 22 through fountain and he says I'm so glad to hear Oscar say 1620 01:42:56,580 --> 01:42:59,250 that the competition is against Apple and Spotify not pod verse 1621 01:42:59,250 --> 01:43:02,160 or caste ematic or other people know apps. Yeah, that was good. 1622 01:43:02,220 --> 01:43:03,000 That was a good comment. 1623 01:43:03,030 --> 01:43:05,580 That was a great comment. Absolutely. And he's right. He's 1624 01:43:05,580 --> 01:43:10,500 right. 100 100% 100% 1625 01:43:11,370 --> 01:43:16,680 Nicholas B 58 3000. Says through fountain he says laugh out loud. 1626 01:43:16,680 --> 01:43:20,520 And now. I have now over 250 podcasts I have not listened to. 1627 01:43:20,850 --> 01:43:23,700 I'm about four months behind. Whatever probably I have to 1628 01:43:23,700 --> 01:43:27,630 bench them. breedings from Nicholas. He's got 250 podcasts, 1629 01:43:27,630 --> 01:43:29,880 but he somehow managed to listen to ours. I feel honored. 1630 01:43:29,940 --> 01:43:33,180 I had that happen the other day. My phone ran out of space and I 1631 01:43:33,180 --> 01:43:37,290 guess all the podcasts I got well, I got podcasts automatic 1632 01:43:37,290 --> 01:43:42,930 downloading on fountain on pod verse. Same ones. Yeah. Oh, 1633 01:43:42,960 --> 01:43:46,770 yeah. Cuz I have the same I import the my OPML list to each 1634 01:43:46,770 --> 01:43:50,040 of them. Oh, there doesn't seem to be an easy way in any of 1635 01:43:50,040 --> 01:43:53,970 these apps to nuke all downloads, that with one swift 1636 01:43:53,970 --> 01:43:55,200 stroke of my read. 1637 01:43:55,200 --> 01:43:56,580 That would be a nice feature. 1638 01:43:56,610 --> 01:43:57,450 The great feature 1639 01:43:58,710 --> 01:44:02,100 is like unsticky all the items in the river. Which 1640 01:44:02,280 --> 01:44:08,400 just work yes, no. Sometimes it works. Most of the time it 1641 01:44:08,400 --> 01:44:08,910 works. 1642 01:44:10,290 --> 01:44:14,220 Be mozzie Brian 125,000 sets 1643 01:44:16,020 --> 01:44:20,040 Sakala 20 blades on the Impala 1644 01:44:20,669 --> 01:44:25,229 and he says boost for Oscar. Yeah, loosed. Thank you, Brian. 1645 01:44:25,229 --> 01:44:29,279 Appreciate another brown mozzie 5000 Do fountaining says based 1646 01:44:29,279 --> 01:44:31,649 on Adams comments on the functionality of phones activity 1647 01:44:31,649 --> 01:44:34,109 stream. I think podcasting Tufano should unblocked 1648 01:44:34,109 --> 01:44:36,899 fountain.fm visible boosts lightning comments. 1649 01:44:37,740 --> 01:44:41,400 Now we were going to get it's all going to work out. 1650 01:44:42,270 --> 01:44:44,130 It's going to work because you get an awarding set up now. 1651 01:44:44,400 --> 01:44:47,910 It's gonna work out we got that set up and then you're going to 1652 01:44:47,910 --> 01:44:52,020 have the integration part with the bridge and we were going to 1653 01:44:52,050 --> 01:44:55,320 Oscar said he would work on something that we could on 1654 01:44:55,740 --> 01:44:59,520 uncloak them after we've published, which may or may not 1655 01:44:59,520 --> 01:45:01,440 be necessary. Carry with what you're building. I don't know. 1656 01:45:01,470 --> 01:45:02,670 Yes, you're right. 1657 01:45:03,360 --> 01:45:06,060 We're gonna figure it out. We're gonna figure it out for sure. 1658 01:45:06,540 --> 01:45:14,550 Mr. Mr. Gray band sent us 12345 Mr. Marissa, who was the good 1659 01:45:14,550 --> 01:45:17,820 bass player that was Mr. Big you remember Mr. Big 1660 01:45:17,849 --> 01:45:22,619 Mr. Big Winger was also a bass player winger 1661 01:45:22,650 --> 01:45:29,610 yeah but yeah she's only 70 Yeah not not Winger. Mr. Big I can't 1662 01:45:29,610 --> 01:45:32,640 remember their bass players name but he was really good that 1663 01:45:32,640 --> 01:45:34,140 Mister Mister what was their hit 1664 01:45:34,470 --> 01:45:40,800 Kiri islands home bro broken wings so take these broken when 1665 01:45:40,800 --> 01:45:43,680 we fly away 1666 01:45:43,889 --> 01:45:46,259 fly live so free 1667 01:45:46,289 --> 01:45:50,219 Dave You I gotta get some reverb on you brother. I'll have that 1668 01:45:50,219 --> 01:45:54,059 set for the next show. You got a good voice you're good singer. 1669 01:45:57,120 --> 01:46:00,840 We better than I used to Mr. 12345 through Felty says 1670 01:46:00,840 --> 01:46:04,740 longtime listener. First time feature requesting I have an RSS 1671 01:46:04,740 --> 01:46:11,520 feed from anchor No. A habit of edited via podcast index.org add 1672 01:46:11,520 --> 01:46:15,090 a tab success. Adding the same feed again it comes back with 1673 01:46:15,150 --> 01:46:20,400 dupe Thiede. Oh yes, yes, true. Desire behavior, return the time 1674 01:46:20,400 --> 01:46:24,090 of less scraping and add a button to re scrape like a 1675 01:46:24,090 --> 01:46:27,180 torrent index. H capture is already there super useful 1676 01:46:27,180 --> 01:46:30,180 feature for updates corrections to the feed to be pushed out pre 1677 01:46:30,180 --> 01:46:33,210 cached ASAP. But you get my drift here. I'm confused what 1678 01:46:33,210 --> 01:46:38,610 caches? What caches where and when? Yeah, well, I think yeah, 1679 01:46:38,610 --> 01:46:42,840 that's possible. I mean, to have like a button to do repol 1680 01:46:42,990 --> 01:46:45,810 can we know people are gonna be hitting that like maniacs? 1681 01:46:46,440 --> 01:46:48,480 I think he's trying I think he's trying to say that you would 1682 01:46:48,480 --> 01:46:51,180 have to put it on a CAPTCHA. Yeah, better protect it 1683 01:46:51,180 --> 01:46:52,230 somewhat. But 1684 01:46:52,230 --> 01:46:55,260 a timeout you know. It's not what pod ping is for? 1685 01:46:55,680 --> 01:46:59,160 Yes. Send pod ping. Do puppy working 1686 01:46:59,580 --> 01:47:06,840 more for can they find out more? Right. Have just have a pile of 1687 01:47:06,840 --> 01:47:08,550 ping go from anchor. Oh, I'm sorry. 1688 01:47:10,890 --> 01:47:17,880 I mean, you can you can do? Oh, I don't know how to think about 1689 01:47:17,880 --> 01:47:22,290 this. I have to think about this because people know if you make 1690 01:47:22,290 --> 01:47:26,460 anything easy, it'll be abused. Yeah, there needs to be some 1691 01:47:26,460 --> 01:47:31,380 sort of entrance fee. In the entrance fee is 1692 01:47:31,440 --> 01:47:32,730 100,000 sense. 1693 01:47:34,170 --> 01:47:36,750 No, I was thinking more like learn how to program. 1694 01:47:37,650 --> 01:47:40,350 I liked the idea here. You want to reboot? Not this is not a bad 1695 01:47:40,350 --> 01:47:43,680 idea. I mean, I'd say it kind of jokingly but why is that? Why 1696 01:47:43,680 --> 01:47:47,370 not yell sad. There you go. We'll charge an LSAT to refresh 1697 01:47:47,370 --> 01:47:47,910 your feet. 1698 01:47:48,750 --> 01:47:56,340 I can. I can feel Alex bristling. Every hair stood up 1699 01:47:56,340 --> 01:47:57,360 on the back of his neck. 1700 01:47:58,320 --> 01:48:01,590 He just unfollowed me No, I'm kidding. 1701 01:48:02,610 --> 01:48:06,300 Busy brain 5000 SATs through fountain. He says showing more 1702 01:48:06,300 --> 01:48:10,050 set love to you fellas from reading Bitcoin podcast. Oh, 1703 01:48:10,110 --> 01:48:13,230 well, thank you. Thank you haven't listened but I'll give 1704 01:48:13,230 --> 01:48:16,560 it a whirl. Oh, Todd Cochran. 50,000 SATs through family says 1705 01:48:16,560 --> 01:48:19,680 Adam and Dave showing off booths at pod fest. Okay, so we just 1706 01:48:19,680 --> 01:48:20,220 did that one. I 1707 01:48:20,220 --> 01:48:21,600 think that's No, no, no, that was a 1708 01:48:21,600 --> 01:48:24,720 different Mr. Grant. For one different wording. Yes. Wow. 1709 01:48:25,800 --> 01:48:27,720 Well, thank you, Todd. 1710 01:48:28,890 --> 01:48:32,940 I just I just love the that Todd is walking around showing people 1711 01:48:32,970 --> 01:48:35,640 him boosting is all coming to this show. 1712 01:48:35,820 --> 01:48:38,760 I think it was illegal in a couple of states. Do more of 1713 01:48:38,760 --> 01:48:40,650 that. Walking around, boasting 1714 01:48:41,070 --> 01:48:45,000 guess what Louie CK got in trouble for the tone record. 1715 01:48:45,000 --> 01:48:49,620 5000 SATs, firing this boosts off into space in the name of 1716 01:48:49,620 --> 01:48:52,950 discovery and conquering fear of the unknown. Just a box and 1717 01:48:52,950 --> 01:48:57,270 podcast index.org asking for some sets. Whoever finds this 1718 01:48:57,270 --> 01:49:00,300 bottle in the ocean know that all appears will in the value 1719 01:49:00,300 --> 01:49:05,160 for value land. Oh, Mr. Gray. Thank you Spoken like a true 1720 01:49:05,340 --> 01:49:10,380 lyricist and musician. Sean McCune 5000 sets through the 1721 01:49:10,380 --> 01:49:13,650 podcast and this website. Boosting through C boosting from 1722 01:49:13,650 --> 01:49:16,560 your website without B just to try it out. It worked. It 1723 01:49:16,560 --> 01:49:21,750 worked. Thank you. Orange bat 2999 through breeze podcast 1724 01:49:21,750 --> 01:49:24,570 index.org is the note whatever that is a 1725 01:49:24,570 --> 01:49:26,280 true means whatever that means. Thank you 1726 01:49:26,340 --> 01:49:30,720 correct is true. Danby 2000 says Good show with Oscar I like to 1727 01:49:30,720 --> 01:49:33,270 fountain is not like that fountain is a nice easy way to 1728 01:49:33,270 --> 01:49:36,060 get into lightning payments at a moon pay account and having to 1729 01:49:36,060 --> 01:49:38,430 give driver's license passport to them feels a little like a 1730 01:49:38,430 --> 01:49:41,730 barrier still. Is it possible to give SATs or opportunity to earn 1731 01:49:41,730 --> 01:49:44,580 extra SATs in return for being a premium member through an apple 1732 01:49:44,580 --> 01:49:45,360 subscription? 1733 01:49:46,860 --> 01:49:49,710 That he asked her question I'm not quite sure. Yeah, 1734 01:49:49,740 --> 01:49:56,070 maybe Oscar Well, I don't know. I don't know. Who has 25,031 1735 01:49:56,070 --> 01:49:58,620 SATs through fountain he says prime boost 1736 01:49:59,610 --> 01:50:02,130 Oh Oh, wow, what was the number again? 1737 01:50:02,520 --> 01:50:03,720 25 Oh 31 1738 01:50:03,870 --> 01:50:07,140 Ah, nice. Prime boost. 1739 01:50:07,320 --> 01:50:10,110 Yeah, he's getting he's getting geared up to create a public 1740 01:50:10,110 --> 01:50:14,400 private key pair. Chaos. 99 5000 SATs the fountaining says 1741 01:50:14,400 --> 01:50:16,710 another great episode. I love it when a plan comes together said 1742 01:50:16,710 --> 01:50:20,670 every podcasting 2.0 app ever delivered to their post? Yeah, I 1743 01:50:20,670 --> 01:50:23,190 think we read that one. Okay, maybe I'm at the end of the day. 1744 01:50:23,220 --> 01:50:27,120 Oh, Alwyn from contracts. Yeah, I think we got 69. No note. 1745 01:50:29,070 --> 01:50:32,190 Okay, I think we're at the end there. It threw me off because 1746 01:50:32,190 --> 01:50:35,700 we had the delimiter in his 50,000 this time is Oh, yes. 1747 01:50:35,700 --> 01:50:40,200 Yes. Yes. What comic strip blogger has changed from 33,015. 1748 01:50:41,400 --> 01:50:44,100 To only one week only he was very clear about this. 1749 01:50:44,130 --> 01:50:47,580 Oh, okay. Well, well, what do we have to do to be so grateful for 1750 01:50:47,580 --> 01:50:48,960 this? He says, 1751 01:50:50,220 --> 01:50:53,490 How do you Dave and Adam, just that. Thank you Bigley Adam for 1752 01:50:53,490 --> 01:50:56,940 tackling AI singularity during your fifth visit as Joe Rogan. 1753 01:50:56,970 --> 01:50:57,360 Yeah. 1754 01:50:58,200 --> 01:51:00,990 He sent me a note. I don't know if it was, I think it was a 1755 01:51:00,990 --> 01:51:06,450 post. He said, You know, he's what I would call a TJ. I 1756 01:51:06,450 --> 01:51:11,340 talked. I talked to Joe about this. I saw Jackie. No, I said 1757 01:51:11,340 --> 01:51:15,750 that. I am not he's not entirely a TJ but I said to Joe, I made 1758 01:51:15,750 --> 01:51:17,880 the mistake of saying, you know, I'm gonna show I'm gonna go on 1759 01:51:17,880 --> 01:51:20,970 Rogen. And when you get all these people tell Joe tell Joe, 1760 01:51:21,000 --> 01:51:24,180 tell Joe to have this guy and tell that guy Joe Joe needs to 1761 01:51:24,180 --> 01:51:27,660 be the arm fell dead and tell Joe tell Joe. That's funny. T 1762 01:51:27,660 --> 01:51:32,880 J's. And comics are bloggers like tell Joe to talk about the 1763 01:51:32,910 --> 01:51:37,650 AI singularity how we're all gonna die. And I actually kind 1764 01:51:37,650 --> 01:51:44,760 of brought that up. Hey, yes, we got a nice boost. Thank you CSV, 1765 01:51:44,790 --> 01:51:46,620 CSV here. Yes. 1766 01:51:47,160 --> 01:51:49,920 You're not You're not dissuading the tgase. When you do that, 1767 01:51:49,920 --> 01:51:52,260 when when one of them were if one of them works, they'll do it 1768 01:51:52,260 --> 01:51:52,650 again. 1769 01:51:53,280 --> 01:51:56,550 If they want to send 50,000 SATs, I mean, I'm purchasable. 1770 01:51:57,690 --> 01:51:59,970 That's true. Okay. We have prices. 1771 01:52:00,960 --> 01:52:02,130 That was a that was 1772 01:52:02,520 --> 01:52:07,530 get some monthlies. You'll get some monthlies. James over pod 1773 01:52:07,530 --> 01:52:10,260 news $50 Thank you, James. Appreciate that. And I think 1774 01:52:10,260 --> 01:52:10,980 that's a big bowl 1775 01:52:12,060 --> 01:52:16,080 Sakala 20 Oh man bollocks 1776 01:52:16,110 --> 01:52:21,990 Mondo SATs baby. Yemen Shawn McCune $20 Michael Gagan $5 1777 01:52:21,990 --> 01:52:27,000 Charles current $5 can glotzbach $5 Christopher Raymer $10 James 1778 01:52:27,000 --> 01:52:32,700 Sullivan $10 Jordan Dunnville $10 Lesley Martin $2 dribs got 1779 01:52:32,730 --> 01:52:36,630 $15 and Michael Kimmerer $5.33 1780 01:52:36,660 --> 01:52:40,470 goodness, thank you all so much. This is very heartwarming, 1781 01:52:40,950 --> 01:52:45,120 particularly the Satoshis. But we cannot discount those big 1782 01:52:45,150 --> 01:52:50,490 $100 $500 $200 from the big supporters. That's what keeps it 1783 01:52:50,490 --> 01:52:53,700 going. Everything else goes right. It pays the bills, 1784 01:52:53,700 --> 01:52:58,290 everything else goes right into liquidity on the node for anyone 1785 01:52:58,290 --> 01:53:02,130 who needs a channel. And this is value for value. So whatever you 1786 01:53:02,130 --> 01:53:05,430 get out of the podcast and the whole project you're supporting 1787 01:53:05,430 --> 01:53:07,650 it all is incredibly appreciated. You can go to 1788 01:53:07,650 --> 01:53:13,200 podcast index.org keep forgetting to do this. And you 1789 01:53:13,200 --> 01:53:16,980 can scroll to the bottom there you will see a red donate 1790 01:53:16,980 --> 01:53:21,360 button. You can support us with your Fiat fun coupons. And I'm 1791 01:53:21,360 --> 01:53:25,740 always forgetting to take a look if anyone used the on chain 1792 01:53:25,740 --> 01:53:30,270 donation of Tally coin. And yes, Tally coin a member we have to 1793 01:53:30,270 --> 01:53:42,090 hold on J moon with 33,325 SATs. Eric peepee were 33,317 SATs. So 1794 01:53:42,090 --> 01:53:43,230 we have two today. 1795 01:53:43,679 --> 01:53:46,529 I think Eric peepee does it just to be I think he's he's wanting 1796 01:53:46,529 --> 01:53:47,729 to be edgy. And he literally he 1797 01:53:47,730 --> 01:53:53,130 literally said do these on chain donation still work? Yes, they 1798 01:53:53,130 --> 01:53:57,450 do. Man. Thank you. Thank you. That's, that's mighty Monica 1799 01:53:57,450 --> 01:54:00,600 Monica. And if you and I will make a point of looking at these 1800 01:54:00,600 --> 01:54:03,930 regularly now that you've now that we do it? Yes, they do work 1801 01:54:03,960 --> 01:54:06,690 through the tally coin link right there. And of course go to 1802 01:54:06,690 --> 01:54:12,570 new podcast apps.com Now with HTTPS so that you can support us 1803 01:54:12,570 --> 01:54:16,530 through any of the apps that support value for value. Thank 1804 01:54:16,530 --> 01:54:18,690 you for your courage, etc. 1805 01:54:20,190 --> 01:54:25,440 They you know, I think my voice is done but we we ended up we 1806 01:54:25,440 --> 01:54:28,350 didn't talk a lot. We didn't do a lot of technical deep dive 1807 01:54:28,350 --> 01:54:31,860 stuff today. Because it just felt like a week where the 1808 01:54:31,860 --> 01:54:34,530 podcasts industry were just like observing the podcast industrial 1809 01:54:34,530 --> 01:54:37,320 complex needed some discussion motion meltdown. Yeah. 1810 01:54:38,610 --> 01:54:44,070 They did need a little bit of a discussion. Yeah, so not that we 1811 01:54:44,070 --> 01:54:46,680 wish anybody ill will at all 1812 01:54:46,680 --> 01:54:50,820 No, I hate it. I hate this when people that we know and and 1813 01:54:50,820 --> 01:54:55,110 love. Like Nathan lose lose their gig. I mean, it sucks. 1814 01:54:55,620 --> 01:54:58,830 I'm not just that I don't like predicting the demise of a 1815 01:54:58,830 --> 01:55:02,340 business model that many People have grown accustomed to and 1816 01:55:02,340 --> 01:55:06,480 that people base their careers on I mean, they just go and look 1817 01:55:06,480 --> 01:55:09,660 at LinkedIn, how many podcasts consultants there are? That's a 1818 01:55:09,660 --> 01:55:12,450 funny Tina that I tell you this when when Tina and I started 1819 01:55:12,450 --> 01:55:15,720 doing curling the keeper, she put podcast professional on her 1820 01:55:15,720 --> 01:55:18,210 LinkedIn profile as as a joke. And 1821 01:55:18,750 --> 01:55:21,540 she gets hit up by does she get dinged all the time, but people 1822 01:55:21,540 --> 01:55:21,810 she 1823 01:55:21,810 --> 01:55:26,700 gets hit up by? Yes, by podcast consultants, I can help you make 1824 01:55:26,700 --> 01:55:30,270 money and moderate drives grow your body drives? 1825 01:55:30,870 --> 01:55:33,360 Is she getting less of that today that she was I think 1826 01:55:33,360 --> 01:55:34,110 considerably 1827 01:55:34,110 --> 01:55:37,290 less. Yeah, Oscar. That's a good question. Okay, well, she's 1828 01:55:37,290 --> 01:55:38,220 always kind of creepy. 1829 01:55:39,060 --> 01:55:43,230 But that's that's all. You know, the good thing about this is 1830 01:55:43,230 --> 01:55:48,060 that these the companies with great with great business models 1831 01:55:48,060 --> 01:55:53,160 with that did just sell a good product for a good price and 1832 01:55:53,160 --> 01:55:56,100 provide value to their customers. They have nothing to 1833 01:55:56,100 --> 01:55:58,920 worry about. They're going to be around. Yeah, I agree. And you 1834 01:55:58,920 --> 01:56:01,290 know, those guys are going to remain strong. And there's 1835 01:56:01,290 --> 01:56:05,100 plenty of those inside the podcasting ecosystem. It's the 1836 01:56:05,820 --> 01:56:11,190 it's the Silicon Valley creepers that come in and those guys for 1837 01:56:11,190 --> 01:56:13,350 good reason. They're, they're not going to last. 1838 01:56:14,670 --> 01:56:18,990 I used to be a Silicon Valley creeper. I got out. Got out just 1839 01:56:18,990 --> 01:56:20,580 in time. I mean, did 1840 01:56:20,760 --> 01:56:25,140 I read before? Yeah, read before you split your soul into this 1841 01:56:25,140 --> 01:56:25,680 piece. It was 1842 01:56:25,680 --> 01:56:28,680 very close. It was very close. I left my own company four years 1843 01:56:28,710 --> 01:56:33,570 ago. I can't do this. I can't do this anymore. And that was 2009. 1844 01:56:34,770 --> 01:56:37,530 I think has it been that long? Wow. That has been a long time. 1845 01:56:37,560 --> 01:56:38,040 Yeah. 1846 01:56:38,879 --> 01:56:41,129 Not as long as current mixer blogger has been a part of my 1847 01:56:41,129 --> 01:56:48,029 life. Apparently he was he was sending in bits, the daily 1848 01:56:48,029 --> 01:56:50,009 source code, I think 2006. 1849 01:56:51,210 --> 01:56:52,170 Good grief. 1850 01:56:53,340 --> 01:56:57,570 And I love that Christopher Eisen found that old piece of 1851 01:56:57,570 --> 01:56:58,440 content. 1852 01:56:58,830 --> 01:57:02,340 Oh, that was the I put them both in the in the clips. What both 1853 01:57:02,340 --> 01:57:05,940 what do we have both? Both of the things that that podcast 1854 01:57:05,970 --> 01:57:08,730 default welcome. And 1855 01:57:09,090 --> 01:57:12,480 bought. I don't see default. Oh, what is this? What? Should I 1856 01:57:12,480 --> 01:57:16,950 play this? Yeah. Hi, I'm Adam curry. Welcome to the iPod 1857 01:57:16,950 --> 01:57:22,620 platform. Hearing this. Hi, Hamid. Douchebag Hi, I'm Adam 1858 01:57:22,620 --> 01:57:25,530 curry. You'll find me in a session live Richards. Hi, I'm 1859 01:57:25,530 --> 01:57:29,070 Adam curry. Welcome to the iPod platform. Great hearing this 1860 01:57:29,070 --> 01:57:32,130 message means you have successfully installed iPod or 1861 01:57:32,160 --> 01:57:35,520 on your computer and you should see a new playlist on your mp3 1862 01:57:35,520 --> 01:57:39,690 player titled iPod or test channel containing this file. I 1863 01:57:39,690 --> 01:57:45,960 love the the room. You can add any URL that points to an RSS 1864 01:57:45,960 --> 01:57:49,050 feed with enclosures to automatically receive new 1865 01:57:49,050 --> 01:57:53,730 podcasts by subscription. You can use ipod.org as your guide 1866 01:57:53,760 --> 01:57:57,390 to new software, and pointers to new podcast directories and 1867 01:57:57,390 --> 01:58:00,600 services. We really hope you enjoy receiving and creating 1868 01:58:00,600 --> 01:58:03,990 your podcast and please remember this stuff supposed to be fun. 1869 01:58:04,110 --> 01:58:07,410 So enjoy. Oh, it was me who said this. But this toughest? Yeah, I 1870 01:58:07,410 --> 01:58:09,000 didn't even realize that was me. 1871 01:58:09,060 --> 01:58:10,440 You didn't recognize your own voice. I 1872 01:58:10,440 --> 01:58:16,830 did not know I didn't. I didn't. Oh, wow. It's so against. Ah, 1873 01:58:16,860 --> 01:58:18,510 well, I was gonna use it for the end of the show. 1874 01:58:18,900 --> 01:58:22,410 Oh, yeah. Yeah. That's interesting. Because BH podcast, 1875 01:58:22,440 --> 01:58:27,840 it would this is like, oh, like history repeats itself. So I 1876 01:58:27,840 --> 01:58:33,300 Potter was that the welcome to i Potter said, yeah, that was the 1877 01:58:33,300 --> 01:58:37,650 first app. I didn't build it. I think that was someone else 1878 01:58:37,650 --> 01:58:41,670 built that app. And maybe it was maybe iPod or was the first 1879 01:58:41,670 --> 01:58:44,820 Apple script. I can't remember. But I made those for different 1880 01:58:44,820 --> 01:58:48,150 apps, and said Oh, yeah, so that would be like a default when you 1881 01:58:48,150 --> 01:58:51,690 when you when you install the software. That would be a 1882 01:58:51,690 --> 01:58:53,340 default welcome message. 1883 01:58:53,850 --> 01:58:59,190 Yeah, like, like a, like a pre built OPML whatever. You know, 1884 01:58:59,190 --> 01:59:00,480 the exact download that Yeah, 1885 01:59:00,509 --> 01:59:03,899 exactly. This, because I heard this. This is Christopher zine 1886 01:59:03,899 --> 01:59:06,929 found this and I saw a whole bunch of other historical stuff 1887 01:59:06,929 --> 01:59:13,799 pop up from 2005. This was just WGBH versus KQED. In San 1888 01:59:13,799 --> 01:59:19,169 Francisco. In the in it three tags was both NPR was NPR and 1889 01:59:19,169 --> 01:59:24,779 WGBH Tony Khan. He really paid a lot of attention to podcasting. 1890 01:59:24,779 --> 01:59:28,919 I think he was the first one to put NPR programming on the 1891 01:59:28,919 --> 01:59:31,829 podcasting and unsung hero, I might add, let's listen to a 1892 01:59:31,829 --> 01:59:33,269 little bit of this, but not many people 1893 01:59:33,270 --> 01:59:36,240 have put that much music into their players. That means just 1894 01:59:36,240 --> 01:59:39,810 about everyone's got room for something else. Interesting how 1895 01:59:39,990 --> 01:59:45,690 that was, you know, people are using pod iPods for music, and 1896 01:59:45,690 --> 01:59:48,420 we were trying to get podcasting and now people are using 1897 01:59:48,720 --> 01:59:52,320 podcasts. We're trying to get music in it. upside down world 1898 01:59:52,620 --> 01:59:55,860 is crazy and more and more iPod owners are filling the space 1899 01:59:55,860 --> 01:59:59,790 with audio content created by an unpredictable assortment of 1900 01:59:59,790 --> 02:00:03,390 print losers. It's called podcasting. And its strongest 1901 02:00:03,390 --> 02:00:06,990 proponent is former MTV host Adam curry. This 1902 02:00:06,990 --> 02:00:09,630 must be real audio. I think we're listening to 1903 02:00:10,050 --> 02:00:11,070 like eight bit array 1904 02:00:11,310 --> 02:00:14,550 like the world's technology correspondent Clark Boyd reports 1905 02:00:14,550 --> 02:00:16,110 from Guilford, England, Guilford. 1906 02:00:16,350 --> 02:00:19,680 Perry has only two things on his mind these days chicks and 1907 02:00:19,680 --> 02:00:23,400 cheese and they're not the top two spots and the mtb top 20 1908 02:00:23,400 --> 02:00:29,460 video can not fly you know, instead curry is obsessed with 1909 02:00:29,460 --> 02:00:32,520 coffee ups and high speed internet connections. I'm over 1910 02:00:32,520 --> 02:00:36,360 caffeinated and underserved on bandwidth, curries mad as hell, 1911 02:00:36,480 --> 02:00:39,900 but in a friendly way. He's just moved his wife, two kids in a 1912 02:00:39,900 --> 02:00:41,010 sort of toolkit. 1913 02:00:41,070 --> 02:00:47,550 I have two kids. I've only had one kid but okay, if you're out 1914 02:00:47,550 --> 02:00:49,500 there and you're my kid sent me a boost. 1915 02:00:49,589 --> 02:00:53,549 Yes, Castle in Belgium to a cottage in Guilford about 30 1916 02:00:53,549 --> 02:00:56,699 miles from London. Since the move he's been trying to get a 1917 02:00:56,699 --> 02:00:58,529 high speed internet connection at home. 1918 02:00:58,710 --> 02:01:00,930 Oh, that's hilarious. I'll put that in the show notes. 1919 02:01:03,870 --> 02:01:07,500 Please, my other child sent me a booster to grab so I know that 1920 02:01:07,500 --> 02:01:08,010 you're alive 1921 02:01:08,010 --> 02:01:14,370 and doing well. Oh man, Dave, I hope you feel better brother. Do 1922 02:01:14,430 --> 02:01:19,320 it really? Sucks. And yeah, there you go. I'd put an accent 1923 02:01:19,320 --> 02:01:24,450 on it, Willie. Oh, I'm so sick. Have a healthy better weekend. 1924 02:01:24,480 --> 02:01:28,140 Dave. Appreciate it. I'm gonna kick it. I'm gonna get over it. 1925 02:01:28,350 --> 02:01:30,840 Of course she will. And thank you all very much there in the 1926 02:01:30,840 --> 02:01:34,740 chat room for checking us out while we've been lips. And 1927 02:01:34,740 --> 02:01:38,250 Steven b Yes, I may be your daddy. We'll see you next week 1928 02:01:38,250 --> 02:01:40,950 right here on podcasting. 2.0 the board meeting bye bye 1929 02:01:40,950 --> 02:01:41,460 everybody. 1930 02:01:55,560 --> 02:02:00,120 You have been listening to podcasting 2.0 Visit podcast 1931 02:02:00,120 --> 02:02:03,570 index.org for more information. Cool. 1932 02:02:06,210 --> 02:02:07,710 This stuff's supposed to be fun.