podcasting 2.0
for November 20 2020, Episode Number 12 we're breaking code.
Gotta stretch those words out even longer. Stay in the music
It's Friday once again, everybody we are meeting with
the board of podcast index.org. And now the man who did a
decade's worth of work in three months, Dave and namespace
Slayer.
I guess our first topic of the board meeting is discussing the
understanding foundation million dollar offer. We have to buy
podcast index, Spotify. I voted down. I don't think we should do
it.
No, no, no, I don't I think they're too small for us.
Oh, yeah, I'm holding out for at least 250. megaphone get to 50.
We got I mean, like, we don't do anything. We don't do 1% of what
they do. So we should get at least
at least a couple mil right there.
Yeah, sure.
All right, everybody. This is where we discuss podcasting.
2.0, we bring you up to speed and all the developments. And
these literally are developments taking place at podcast
index.org and our sister site where we hang out podcast index
dot social, which is a mastodon site. So you can follow at Adam
at podcast index dot social net, David podcast, index dot social.
And, man, we got stuff to talk about this week. Every week,
there's a lot going on. Maybe let's just start with the bugs
and affected people who might have been listening to this
podcast. If you were listening on podcast addict. We found out
that the way I was publishing with doing the transcripts later
broke the player. Which was really quite interesting.
Actually.
It was what do you want to say? Why? Like, tell you're like,
yeah,
like, I'll explain the process. Yeah, yeah. Cuz the the process
is important. Because I think I'm not the only person who
records and publishes this way. After I do a show any show, I
want to get it out as soon as possible, especially the no
agenda show. But you know, because that's also streamed
live. But I want to get it out as soon as possible. And it
takes time to get some chapter stuff going and to get the
transcripts done by otter.ai. Ai. So what I've been doing,
since it's very difficult with caching and how apps access the
feed, and then you know, if a change is reflected across apps,
it's a mess. So, so it what didn't work out is publishing my
feed, and then later adding the tags for captions and for
chapters, because that typically wouldn't get that wouldn't flow
through even with an update to the index, it just, it's just
not
because the GUI doesn't change, right? I think it's anything new
about it. And if
you change the G UID, then you get the episode twice, and most
podcast apps, it's, it's quite as quite ugly. So I decided that
the easiest way would just be to create dummy URLs, which I knew
would be the correct URLs. And that's kind of a kind of a fun
little game that I have to play with hyper catcher because hyper
catcher has an API endpoint that that becomes the URL. So these
community chapters flow through even after the show is
published, because the URL remains the same. But I still
have to put that into the feed first, so that at least the
information flows through to the apps and then for some reason on
podcast addict and these will take a day or two before I have
all my all my junk together and you know, have have the
transcripts uploaded and everything, just because it's a
three and a half hour show and I'm tired and takes time and you
know, I'll do it tomorrow. But I mean, even if even if the
community you know, does the chapters man that still takes a
while for three and a half hour show and saying
yeah, that's a lot of content. Yeah, you can't
and and of course it's a catch 22 because you can't use Piper
catcher to author the chapters unless the show is in the feed.
Just to make it he is so hyper catcher as a as a personal app
podcast that you can suggest chapters and then as the
podcasts you can go into a back end system, which is hyper
Capture Studio, and then you can approve what anyone submits,
which I like a lot because it's a lot of work. I just did the
show then to listen to it again and put markers in. Now I can
enhance it with images and add URLs but if people at least are
doing the markers and the and the titles, it's extremely
handy. Okay,
let me ask you a question. So if if the chapter There's that
you're creating in hyper Capture Studio. It obviously depends on
the episode being in the feed. But does it depend on like this,
but the URL that it gives you for the chapters file? That's
not somehow tied to the fate? Like you could use that?
Anywhere, right?
The the way hyper Capture Studio determines the URL is based upon
the geo ID. Okay, so I know that my
once you have that, once you have the URL, you can stick it
anywhere. And I can,
yeah, then I can stick it in exactly. But it's but it's
empty. And if it and again, until I've created the first
entry in the chapter file, that URL doesn't actually exist.
Because I'm thinking that I'm just thinking that what, what
you could have is a is a dummy feed, that you put the podcast
into just long enough to get the to get a working URL, and then
stick that URL into the real feed with the real podcast.
They do this with one leg in the air and in one hand tied behind
my back. In my face is that this is this is going to introduce a
lot of other errors.
I see nothing wrong with this.
Well, so the podcast addict developers, I'm sorry, no, no
his name. He said
that Xavier.
Oh, Xavier. He says, What's going on is that on Android,
because it works, I think every haven't received any other bug
reports. But this is specific to Android and the Google player
that play engine or something. And for some reason, it's it's
barking out when it sees that there's a 404, which is I don't
think anything should work out on a 404. But it does. So his
he's already patched that and it's uploaded to beta. But we
know that'll take a while before it gets through. And everyone
updates. So what I'm going to do now is I'm going to create the,
the actual files. So for and chapters wasn't an issue.
Because chapters I can get going really quick. I can just make a
start entry and you're done. Then that URL is active.
Like you just put intro zero,
right and go exactly, exactly. But for. For the transcript, it
just takes time. It takes a couple hours for the for the
transcript to be done.
It really doesn't take that long. Yes. Yeah. Well, it's
three and a half hours or two dudes. yappin.
Yeah, yeah, I
guess. So. Yeah. Yeah. And it tries to do I mean, if I really
want to do it nicely, then I'd let it because it still has
problems. You can identify. Okay, here are the voices. He
said, this is Adam. This is john, or this is Adam, this is
Dave. But it's still goes through the whole transcript
every single time. tries to figure it out. If it doesn't
know, then you have to say, Okay, this is Adam. But it
doesn't just replace speaker one with Adam all the way down. It
has to be done for every single entry, unless you want it to run
for hours on end. So it's far from perfect. And I'm not I
forget what the buzzsprout guys were using, but I might want to
switch to that.
I thought they were using otter. Oh,
I think way. It's definitely something was something else. I
thought I can't remember what they suggested to them. And
otter was simple. And it's not too expensive. Because you know,
it's not free. But nor should it be
that I think he I think what he told us started with a tea, and
I can't remember the name of it
all figured out. Anyway, so. So just and this is important,
because as developers, you have the use cases and workflows in
mind that can vary widely from publisher to publisher. So and
especially, you know, it's like, chapters itself become something
incredibly cool. I love showing my chapters in pod friend,
because pod friend pops it up like a slideshow. Yeah, you
know, it's really pretty. And then that is if you have an
image URL in there.
And then it's same with the same hyper hyper
kecia does the same. Yep. And so I love showing that and that's,
that's more than to me. That's a huge benefit. It's not just oh,
I want to skip ahead to something now. It's like, Oh,
yeah.
Oh, that's interesting. What's that chart they're talking
about? Oh, there's the chart popped right up. Now you have,
you know, like a third dimension that you're adding to the
podcast, which
I love. It's I'm very excited about this. Does does hyper
kitcher Studio allow you to specify those things without
chapter markers, like silent, basically silent chapters where
it doesn't give you a jump point. It just shows you the
image.
Um,
I don't remember if he supported that or not,
no, in fact, you name it, it's asking you just an image not a
URL.
Well, no, like in this in the spec, and it's there. It was a
recent change that we made sort of
to the namespace spec you me?
Yeah, it was a change we made maybe a week and a half before
it finalized or two weeks before finalized. We put in the table
of contents property, where you can basically say, you know,
here's a podcast, here's a chapter marker that starts at
this many seconds. But it does, but but it does not go it should
not be visible in the table of contents for the chapters. So
that it's not a jump point that you can jump to with the player.
It triggers an action.
That's a good question. I in fact, on on pod friend, I don't
even think you can use it as jump. Oh, no, you can. So it
shows that the main image window rotates. And then below there is
a list. That's your table of contents. Yeah, it does list
everything. It does.
Okay.
I don't mind you know that that's okay. That's okay. For
me. I just love it when apps actually show the image like I
think pod verse shows little thumbnails and has the as a more
traditional approach to chapters as jump points. Down at the
bottom of the episode. But regardless, all of this shit is
cool. It really is. And it's, and of course, leave it to me to
break stuff. Because who else would figure this one out? But
Oh, yeah.
But if that's your that's your that's your most your time,
talent? treasure? That's your talent added?
Yes, it's my superpower. Yeah. But it's, it's it's good that we
find this out. And, you know, but despite all of that, still,
it's pretty foolproof. I mean, the system works. The chapters
are flowing, the transcripts are flowing. I'm I'm very happy.
This is this is good.
I still got a, you know, still got a lack of tools. Really? I
mean, yeah, you know, I mean, there, yes, the tools exist. I
mean, we're talking about applicator studio, we're talking
about, you know, bus, bus browse tools, and those kind of things,
but they just need to mature. So that so the average human beings
can do it. Well, but you know, then again, average human beings
are not doing well, most of what you're doing. I mean, like they,
they're just going into their host and hitting publish and
dropping.
Right? The easiest thing for every podcast, I know this just
from experience, if you have and we started this with the no
agenda player, which sadly went defunct, but it kind of got
resurrected in. In the new no agenda. show.net sight is the
ability to mark chapters, and the audience will do that. And I
think I think that that's incredibly valuable. And
there's, there's some cultural around it. But as you point out,
there's just not enough tools. But I would say as a as a
content producer, as a podcaster, I would happily pay
for that, I would happily pay for a community tool that spits
out a URL that is known obviously, so I can put it into
my feed before it actually exists. And, and have the
ability for the my listeners who I happen to call producers, but
any listeners to add the chapter markers, that's worth money.
That's a great tool. Now, I like hyper catchers model because
it's kind of a two way street where in order to use the
studio, your mirror, your audience must use the hyper
catcher app. So that's kind of promoting the app at the same
time, which I think is a super smart model. But in general, if
there were just a service that any app could tie into, that
produces a JSON URL for chapters. So it by itself has an
API I pay for that. I pay for hosting. You know what
transcripts of pay for that it's pretty simple service, I
think well, it reminds me of sort of the H the H AI stuff
with the Sphinx was doing around Maru trying to trying to find
duplicates and and fraud feeds. You know, if there were a
service like that where you could, you know, pay almost like
a Mechanical Turk type thing where you where you could pay a
you know, a fee and then people will get paid with lightning
payments or you know, some small trends. actions in order to get
in there and, and create the chapters and that sort of thing.
That would be a great paid service, because it's really
hard. Like he can't do it without a tie. And you really,
there's just not a way to do any of this stuff without a person
doing it. And but in rough you have, you know, three and a half
hour show. I mean, the having to create into the podcaster
themselves go through and just spend, I mean, you got to at
least listen to all three and a half hours and you're going to
be stopping but did you get it right? You know yet right now.
But the proof is in the pudding, go look at SoundCloud, go look
at the popularity of people posting comments in the timeline
that on SoundCloud, it's you literally see a waveform. This
is hugely popular. This is this is a very obvious feature that
people love. And it's in the ability to be able to use this
between apps. So that you should be able to author this on hyper
catcher, but you should also be able to contribute from pod
friend, or pod verse or any pod bean, all of the all of the
pods, the pod podcast apps, that that would have to go through
some kind of service. Yeah. Which I think is that now, day
between you and I podcast index LLC can can choose to create
this service. But I feel that's something that's outside of the
scope. And we should probably, you know, consider you know, as
an extra that just it an extra service.
Yeah. And that's something that I think is good to bring up.
Because it's been talked about before people have mentioned,
oh, such and such thing. Maybe pockets index can do that. And
that's that's territory, we tread very lightly, because
we really don't want we really don't want to host accounts, I
don't think
and we don't want to compete with anybody. I mean, like we
don't I don't mind competition for us. I mean, that i think
that's that's great. Like, somebody was posting about the
listing notes API. And that's a paid paid service. I
think they've been around for a while those guys?
I think so. Yeah, a few years, I think,
do they support the new namespace?
I don't know. I really don't know. And, and I don't know,
personally, but you know, anybody at that at that group?
And I would hope if they are aware of what's going on over
here, they would join the podcast index dot social,
because there's really no, I mean, we're, we're a free
service, we just go on donations, there's really, I
mean, technically, it's competition, but it's really
not. Because, I mean, we do what we do. And our our goals are
different. I mean, our goals are great,
but they don't necessarily appear to be something that is
catering to independent podcast, app developers really seems like
it's more of corporate who want to, you know, some kind of
access to this for planning purposes. I could be wrong. But
that's just that was my first impression.
Well, yeah, and I think also, just the core philosophy of, you
know, they, I think, if I'm not mistaken, they're they're real,
they're real core is like, taking his notes, essentially
putting, you know, like writing up notes on a podcast and
sharing those things. So, you know, whereas ours is preserving
podcasting as platform for free speech. I mean, that's, that's
our core, our core mission is to make sure that podcasting
remains an open platform. It's not, that's not sensible. And,
you know, we're doing so that's why we're doing lightning
payments. And all this kind of jazz, where we're going in these
different directions. And the API in the index is just
something that's necessary to make all that to make all that
happen, because you need a place where you can be sure that a
show is not going to get the platform and you need a, you
know, a group that's concentrating on making sure
freedom is front and center. And that's what we're trying to do.
And that's why we're not really, we don't charge for anything,
because, you know, we we started paying for this thing out of our
own pocket anyway, we were like, We didn't know if we're gonna
get any donations. Right. So I think that's it's just a
different philosophy, but I would love to work with them and
anybody else because the namespace helps everybody. I
mean, it's not just going to help, you know, podcast index. I
mean, it really doesn't help us. It helps our mission. It doesn't
help necessarily us, but it will help all of podcasting in
general to go and that's, well, we could talk about that phase
one, you know, Phase One closed. Monday is Monday or Sunday. And
so we have those five, five new tags.
Okay, let's just list those five tags just so we have them.
Yeah. And that's
so we had a lot of put them in the in the in the show notes
Loctite block tag chapters, translators cribs, is that
transcripts slash captions? Is that how we?
What is locked is transcript? No. So in me, I'm getting
attacked by the fire department is
okay. Transcript cap captions does.
No trans captions is part of the transcript. Okay.
I was just trying what I like to say slash, okay. Okay. I'm just
I'm going outside of scope. Okay. Then we have funding
funding right, which I've seen work is really nice again, good
pod friend is my go to for that boom, up pops the Pay Pal
button. But although it's yellow, not red, but okay. So we
had done we have something like that, which that should have
been Damn, I missed that on the on the closing of the namespace.
It should have been color equals
b should be demanded.
Yes. All right. funding and then we have chapters do we hit? No,
you
have that clip? Okay. In a soundbite
sound bites, what we're calling it all right sound? Is that with
a IOI?
With a sound bite with a Why?
You'd be? You'd be, you'd be amazed. 123. Okay, so those
five, and those are locked down. And I think almost every one of
those is supported by almost everybody. One or two are
missed. I think the soundbite may be trailing.
Yeah, a little bit. But you know, and it's not as much as I
thought it would be the I mean, there's actually people are
putting that in fairly quickly.
Now that now I have tool issue once again. What's down by
Yeah, yeah. So that's the tool. The tools are lagging on
soundbyte more than the players are?
Yes. And yeah, I have no idea. Can I can I calculate this by
hand what I need to enter? Or?
Yes, you can put it you can just look at the time code is it just
like, just like chapters is done with seconds. It's just an
offset, and a duration. So you say this soundbite is going to
be it's going to start at this many seconds in the in the URL
in the enclosure. It's gonna last for this many seconds. And
so the the app just knows in a jump, jump here, play this much
content and then jump out
and enumerator is seconds. Yeah, that's right. Okay. All right.
Well, I can do that.
Yeah, no, that's an easy, that's an easy one, if you needed to
draw back to doing something by hand. But we do we fit we we
ship that. And phase two is now just in an open status, there's
no close date on it or anything we're just gonna have to do
especially with holidays and that kind of thing. We mean, you
know, I don't feel comfortable putting a hard date on anything
right now. until until after the holidays are over, but, but what
we're going to be focusing on, I think, is person, the person
tag, the location tag, and the season tag.
Okay, so person tag, season tag,
and
the location tag,
locate look, and what about value?
Well, it's it's in there. I mean, bits. That one's just sort
of a,
I'm putting it on my list.
Who knows how long it's gonna take for. for other people. We
got to have a host in order for a namespace to tag adoption you
gotta have are the rules are you gonna have at least one host
that will support it in at least one app that'll support it? We
think supports the on the app side, but
Well, how about cast a pod?
I don't think they don't think guest pod. Well, they're not a
host. But they're just a they're just, well, they're self. Well,
they're
self hosting. I'd be very careful. Be very careful what
you say there. I hear a cast pod guys sharpen it up is his
Pitchfork.
Yeah, he's gonna come after me.
Do you think you are Dave Jones?
You pieces
gonna come after social media. gonna cancel you on the
mastodon, bro. You're out.
Can I just say that? It's so Jay. I have to get into the
Twitter account. The podcast index.org. Yes.
My wife was asking you about that. Hey, who runs the
podcasting dex dad or account? staff?
Yeah, yes,
exactly.
Dave's got a guy.
We might have to relinquish control to her. She's if she
can't. Stand the way we do this, I really hurt that we couldn't
figure out the donation button had to be read. So, okay, it's a
free marketing department if she wants to do it. I'm all in. She
can have it.
Right. That is one less thing. Right? My my life would be
wonderful if I never had to check Twitter again. Yeah,
that's it. That's what I was starting to say like, I got on
there to hide it. But I don't know what I was posting. But I
got on there and James James Cridland had posted. So it
popped up in on the top of the timeline, it said, he said, You
know, I haven't I haven't gotten into my Twitter account in
months. And so I'm sorry if I missed everybody. And then he
was like, see all later. Like, basically, I'm leaving again,
I'm not gonna, you know, I'm gonna do my once every six
months check in. And I was, you know, got me thinking this is
completely off topic. But it just got me thinking how social
media, honestly, I'm beginning more and more every day to think
it has ruined its society, human
beings. Yes, of course, this
house is an awful, steaming pile, dumpster fire, whatever.
It's awful. And I don't know why this bra I just came to mind.
But I mean, it's just, I've deleted Twitter off my phone
probably a month and a half ago. And it's, it's great. I don't
miss it one bit.
I mean, I so I use Twitter only as an inbox. So I'm only looking
at my, my mentions because that's where the most
interesting things are is what you know, people will tag me in.
And that's really all I use it for. But to me, I get great
pleasure from going to a mastodon server. And, and I look
at you know, there's the three areas the you know, your
subscriptions, your timeline, your, your mentions, and then
whatever else is happening on your local mastodon server. And
I go down 123 Okay, I've seen them all 1234. Okay, I've seen
reply here. Okay. All right, I'm done. There's nothing else
popping up. It's not holding back any posts to show me just
as I'm ready to leave, which is definitely what the algorithms
do. On most social networks. You know, it'll notify Oh, you've
got five likes. What the just when you're when you've been on
for, you know, for five minutes, all this they hold that stuff
back? It's crazy to hate is the hate? Oh, that's a program that
for you that hate?
Yeah, it's you, people. I don't know what it is. But it's like,
okay, so we started this social media experiment. I don't know
what 12 years ago.
2008. Okay,
yeah. So, as of 12 years ago, roughly, is when social media
sort of rose into a prominent thing in culture. Okay, so we
now know, we now know, like, this sociologically speaking,
that it takes 12 years to destroy society. With social
media, I mean, like, that's really how long because it's, I
would love for somebody to do an analysis and say, and like, look
at the waves that happened during the social media
experiment of 2008 to 2020. Where you know, it, everybody
joined then everybody, you know, thought it was great. Then all
this in certain people, certain groups started beginning d
platformed. Other groups began to do canceling other in, it's
like, you just see this shift, this shifting monster that the
thing became, and I guess, I guess it's been on my mind, just
because I saw was Steve and of the war room, got the platform,
that podcast and got d platformed. Off Spotify. And,
you know, I started looking around because I was thinking,
Well, I mean, you know, we talk about deep platforming. That's
one of the missions of the index to preserve free speech in some
way. Well, I'm maybe I can go listen to see what he said to
get himself to platform. And I couldn't find it. Like, I can
tell you exactly what he did. Well, there's no clip anywhere.
It's like he's been he's been so deep platformed that you can't
even find. I mean, like, last day, there's no clip. I mean, I
could have listened to it. I don't know what the word okay.
50 episodes a day. Yeah, no,
I understand what you're saying. In other words, even the
offending words that he had uttered had been also had also
been pushed down, removed, taken away. You can't even find it.
That's what you're saying.
Yeah, you can't. The only way to find a clip would have been to
listen to every episode that within a certain time range,
right. And the guy evidently has no other job but but that so
he's to be putting out like 20 hours of content a day and I
can't like I can't do this. Yeah, I was looking. I was
looking for like somebody clipped it where you could
listen to what he said to try To get a context of it, you know,
if I had the soundbite tag, at my discretion I could actually
play we get couldn't. Couldn't I also insert a separate URL from
a different mp3 with a with a timecode. And the length? You my
own need,
not for the sound bite. No, it's only like a it's only like a
sound bite of the of the enclosure, the main enclosure,
because there it's a relative value. Yeah, okay, I got you.
Yeah, well, I can tell you what he said just out of interest.
Okay, he was talking about Fauci, can you say?
Can you say it when Steve Bannon voices?
Ah, gosh, I've never really done. I've never done a Bannon
voice but it's a
how you would do it?
I don't think I can do I'd have to hear him? I have to hear him.
I can't do but, you know, pretend that you look like
him. God
Fauci, I
tell you Fauci. We got to get his head on a stick his head on
a stick. What happened to Fauci toe? Is that, you know, it's
like, please,
he can't say that.
Yeah. Oh, please. So that became he literally threatened to cut
off people's heads.
That was the accusation.
But he didn't he didn't really threaten that. Now it's
below. Is there no sense of like, I forget who said it, but
some, somebody along while back I heard I heard, referred to
social media as the literal web. And that that's what this is,
like. It's the literal web. It's like, people don't understand
metaphor they do in
jokes, irony.
Yeah. Either willfully, or but but
unfortunately, that, um, and, you know, we are way off topic,
but unfortunately, I think this is no, no, no, no, not at all.
It's a big reason of why we're doing this. It's in this case,
that's most likely politically motivated. He, you know, he was
a big part of Trump's first team. And, you know, obviously,
he's, he's the guy who has been touting the laptop from hell
hunter Biden's laptop. And so it's political. And once it's
political, then it's very easy for the huge power forces to
come into work, mainly advertisers and corporations
that, that just don't want any of that around, you know, it's
easy, and they have huge swinging ding dongs as it were
to, you know, full of money that they can, you know, pull away
from a company or, you know, whatever to get what they feel
is righteous. So, and that's all fine, but it really has nothing
to do with, with anything, you know, I we
were there. I'll tell you the day Exactly. Okay, this. This is
why this came up in my mind. Well, I have a hatred of social
media. Anyway, it's just a it's a common rant with me. But one
of the reasons it popped into my mind was that I saw the pod news
newsletter, I think from this morning, maybe yesterday
morning, and the first little item was the pod, it says, the
podcast listening habits of 13 to 34 year olds have been
highlighted, blah, blah, blah. And I started trying to start
thinking to myself, you know, I have three kids, a 19 year old,
a 17 year old and a 10 year old. I was like, dude, none of them
listen to podcasts. And none of their friends listen to
podcasts, really. And I started thinking, you know, I don't know
a single person younger than 25 that listens to podcasts. And it
started making me think Is there like a Is there a cliff? Is
there like a podcast age Cliff that's coming? I don't know
anybody this young and I actually know quite a few young
people because my kids have friends and go to school and all
stuff. None of them listen to podcasts.
Interesting. Yeah, it is weird. Well, I don't know what to say
about that. Because I just don't know the numbers. You know, when
when we talk about Gen Z. Or the Zoomers, on no agenda. We get a
lot of notes from 2324 year olds. So they're definitely
listening but that mean, it's the curve probably doesn't start
until after mid 20s. You probably right?
Yeah, a bit. It's a bit it's real, a bit the listenership of,
of 25 and under is pretty small,
which which makes it so interesting. How podcasting is
such a desirable audience, such an engaged audience and audience
that can be quote, unquote, activated to do many, many
things. Really an advertiser's Dream the relationship between a
podcaster and a podcast audience. But the exact nature
of the decentralized system that we build and have been using is
the entire reason why it is actually incompatible with
advertising with online advertising because there's zero
effective true way to measure listenership downloads does not
equal listenership. And I've actually as, as I've been doing
a little more investigating myself into the evolution of
hosting companies and, and ad technology. There's a lot a lot
of tracking going on in podcasting that I was unaware
of.
Yeah, really bad. Ya know, it's really
it's really, and they don't call it tracking, they call it to
attribution. It's a cooler, actually attribution, which is
another word for we know who you are attribution.
Did you see the Did you see the other thing that was about?
Let's see if I can find it here. It was, basically, there's some
company out there that has, and I'm sure this is nothing new.
But they've like mapped out all the IP space. And they're doing
associations between Yeah, here it is. Tap ID T. ap ad. It says
Experian has bought tap ID for $280 million. Pot sites,
describes them this way a number of providers have sprung up in
the last decade offering massive databases of every household IP
meta identifiers they have seen at that IP.
Oh, sure. Sure. That doesn't surprise me.
I'm sure that's not new. But I bet you there's so much content
to do associations now. Yeah, like, the ipv4 space is small
enough now, we used to think 4 billion addresses. It's like,
Oh, my God. You know, that's too much. You can't do anything with
that. Well, I mean, 4 billion, you can scan the whole internet
with a tool like mass scan in like an hour and a half. So me,
I bet you
I remember the days when we had an actual printed yellow pages
of the internet. I still have a copy. Shut up, grandpa? Oh,
no, I just think that there's there's going to be a time when,
like, they don't even need, they don't even need all these tricks
anymore. Like the tracking pixels and the emails and, you
know, all these kinds of stuffs like, Well, we know that you
downloaded it from this IP. So we already know who you are. So
whatever.
Yeah, I was just surprised and and, and it gave me even more
insight into the incredible challenge. Spotify is taken on
and you know, all power to them. But I'm real happy over here. I
think Thirdly, we're doing some some fun stuff. And with a
really fun group of people. We were talking about the hosting
companies. And obviously, we need hosting companies to do
adopt these tags, although I think buzzsprout is pretty far
right. They have did they incorporate sound bite yet?
Because I think they have everything.
Oh, yeah, they've got everything. the only the only
piece that they're missing really is on the chapter side,
they need to add image URLs.
But right Yeah, right. Right.
Cool. Yeah, I think they support they support everything.
Fantastic. And it's interesting because well if you want to if
you want to get into that the let's see me pull up my notes
here. Did you get that that clip that I sent? Oh yeah, I do. Play
it. Too many podcasts.
That was that was from yesterday devore ak telling me how many
podcasts there were like now you're not exactly right, bro.
So I've been I've been asked air I've been wondering for a while
how many like some of these some of these hosting statistics and
I can say this because you mentioned buzzsprout if you look
so in in the index, the num based purely on number of feeds.
The ranking goes like this anchor obviously number one. We
have them at 640,000 roughly feeds soundcloud. 101,000
buzzsprout. Those number 350 6557 Lipson 55,000, pod bean
51,000 and spreaker 50,000. That's how that's how we have
them have them listed. And I know we're meaning that we're
missing fields, but that's not but that's that's the way we
Have them listed that seems to match up with what everybody
else is showing as well. But the interesting thing to me is if
you look at how many how many podcasts have have published in
the last 90 days, and that's specifically on anchor side? Mm
hmm. It's like 25%. Oh, yeah,
that's very, very Yeah.
That in that, that tells me that, you know, just size
doesn't really get you doesn't
reach Exactly. It's not the size of the ocean. It's the motion.
Let me send you. And that's funny, too, because let me send
you this email. I looked up I was trying to I was like, What
is the internet say are the biggest podcast hosts? So I just
did a search for in Google and I sent you that email. And I just
typed in to Google biggest podcast hosts. And it's funny
what it brought back I see Joe screenshot.
I'm looking I'm looking for it.
That anyway, I think that I think just pure you know, pure
size. I don't think
Google gave you that. So search was biggest podcast hosts. And
yes, the the first link is the 31st that 31 best podcast
hosting platforms. But above that is a strip of pictures of
podcasters with myself at the first pole position with six
foot 510 comes is the W Kamau Bell with six foot four Scott
Ackerman comes in close behind at six foot three Steven Crowder
at six foot two. Yes. Ladies and gentlemen, the pod father not
only the prototype podcaster he is the pot the tallest podcaster
of them all.
Yeah. And the title of that is podcast broadcasters by height.
That's
nuts.
And I didn't realize Ira Glass was as tall as he was bringing
this up. He's bringing up the NPR love when you get three
inches on him.
Yeah, aha, many jokes I could make we we will not
weigh that. I just thought that I thought, Well, for one reason,
because buzzsprout just passed lips. And as far as number of
number of feeds. But I still got some I still got some
verification of these numbers to do and to make sure that they're
that they're accurate before I just start publishing anything.
But I think just looking through preliminary, it's interesting to
see how many act how many of feeds, these people these
hosting companies have, versus how many are actively being
published. Right. Right. And, and there's some clear, there's
some clear patterns here. And even though, and I think it's
probably got to do with free also running because anchors
free, and you get there's no barrier to entry. So you're just
gonna pop on there, do it do a show. When something's free, you
don't.
Right? You don't care that much about it. But what's, you know,
the forces that will take place now, and I'm going to start I
would say on Sundays, no agenda, I want to get an okay from
David. I want to solicit people to to get hyper capture, and
then use it to cook to create chapters. I'd love to point to
other community based systems as well, obviously. But what's
going to happen, there's going to be a poll from podcasters,
who want these features. And the more apps that have this, the
more the demand, the higher the demand will build will be. And
so if you're in the hosting business, if you need any help,
let us know because it's going to come real fast. And I'm
already seeing people saying, oh, how do I move my feet?
Because I want to go to somewhere where they actually
have everything that works with this new stuff?
Yes, I've gotten notes from quite a few people this week.
That are they're wondering how to put this stuff in. And in
that that's, and I think powerpress will help a lot.
Because there's a lot there's way more people out there that
are self hosting on
powerpress. Implementing the tags.
Yeah, yeah, they're there as part of this part of blueberry
bro. Okay, good. Yeah. And I think there's a lot, there's
just a lot more of those than I thought there were of people who
are self hosting. I can see
why Yeah, it's
an easy way to do it. And you retain your branding and your
content and all that stuff. It just makes sense. You know, that
I think that'll that'll be a big deal because there's a lot of
those people as well. may win. That's, that's, I think, I think
for phase two, as far as bringing it back to the
namespace. I would like to focus on those tags, really. I mean,
I'm not running this show. Anybody can take it in a
different direction, but I think I was disappointed not to get
the person tag into phase one. So really, I mean, if, if
nothing else, I want to get that that tag in the location tag
into phase two, because I think they're just think they were
really important.
What is the what was the problem with the person tag not making
it in?
What just got too complicated? Because you the other tags that
were in phase one were sort of, I don't want to call them low
hanging fruit, but they were fairly technically simple.
person and location are technically challenging. Because
you, you really, you can't put you're talking about about
attribution of, you know, who a person is. Their role within the
podcast, guest host right. Cast. So I mean, we're talking about
this other thing is the sub categories beyond host and
guest.
Yeah, like, so there's the podcast taxonomy project is, is
part of it. There's a couple guys at pod chaser that are
integral to that. And they've been they've been in the names
namespace GitHub, because sort of help helping with their input
on that side of things. And so they've got a whole list of
basically cast.
This is almost like a categories issue again.
Yeah, it kind of is, but they've already mapped a lot of that
out. And supposedly, they're gonna have a draft document,
like within a few days. And so then if we can have something
stable there, that says, you know, producer, sound engineer,
mobile, you know, all these cast names, then we could
so so Okay, so but that's, that's really credits.
credits. That's what I'm I keep saying cast, I mean, credit
credits.
Okay. Okay. Got it. That way, yeah,
a way to credit. And so like 99% of people will just use guests.
So here's where it gets interesting. And I recall this
from 16 years ago, there was a huge push in the original RSS
2.0. spec to include a show notes tag, which was X was never
adopted, excluded. And that was always understood to be a part
of a namespace. And it I think, maybe the that ship has sailed,
because it's so well understood that that now goes in the
description field. But it's interesting that no, one of all
the jihadism I saw 16 years ago, no one has really made a stand
for shownotes.
You know, it's one of those that I'm personally conflicted on,
because I know what seems like an obvious solution would be
have a show notes tag, and just have it be either a link to the
show notes or have that be in the content in the content. But
then if it's in the content, it's really no different than
description. So if you have so but then if it's not in the
content, that's yet another file that the app has to download,
and deal with. I don't know, I just keep going
back and forth. But the only reason I bring it up is because
when when we look at this person tag, and it's expanded into
credits, that's a large part of what I paste into the
description field. I don't put actual show notes in there,
because my show notes would make each entry about eight Meg's
Yeah, it would. I used to, I used to do that way, way back in
the beginning, but none, it just became so much. There were so
many. There's just so many articles, etc. It just was
crazy. Yeah. So it doesn't bother me one way or the other.
I understand that. Ultimately, this is for you to be able to
search. I guess it's like IMDb, you know, at a certain point,
what is the importance of knowing who the sound engineer
was, if, if that's something you really want to drill down to?
I'm just not sure that all that information needs to be in
there. But on the other hand, I really like it, looking toward
the future. And this is something that came I went to
the Austin Bitcoin meetup last night.
Oh, yeah. Tell me about that.
Yeah. moving toward the future. If you have those credits, those
credits could be easily used for value splits.
Yeah. Okay.
And that, that is something that a lot of people are thinking
about. They're thinking about it in many ways, and it makes so
much sense if you know if you have this list of people who
helped put the show together, that you split up any any value
payments amongst those people. Whatever the appropriate
percentages are. Now, then you have kind of a nice reference.
Just without the value part, necessarily. Just asking this as
a straight question, if you had, if you had a tag a person tag
that you could label as producer, executive producer,
would you stick those in your feed? tags instead of just in
the show in the show notes? Sure. I
would. I mean, I don't I don't see the benefit, but I would
sure. I mean, if it was, if there was a real was it actually
is it's a philosophical question. I do kind of like it.
But to me, that's not the person tag is a misnomer. It should be
a credits tag. That's the way to do it. Yeah. Because then you
could because it persons or persons, but I think it's easier
if you have here's the the list of titles of credits. It's hard
man this, I mean, there's Hollywood lists that are it's
very tight. I mean, Hollywood, they know exactly what the
titles are, and where they appear on the credit roll, and
what font size or what's font size in relation to the others.
And, you know, are they allowed? Do they get a single screen with
their name? Or can they be listed with five others? I mean,
this has been hashed out over years and years of fighting to
get that done. So there's prior art but I just don't know if we
should be dragging prior art into the new era.
But I think that's what the you know, that's what the taxonomy
project is, is trying to establish and I'm think I think
what we're trying to do with the with the person tag or actually
I like credit tag better I may propose a name change but I
mean, I think what we're trying to do there is not necessarily
make make it a anything required where you have to just get
specific with all this kind of jazz, you know, like 99% of the
time you're just probably going to end up putting post you know,
and that'll be fine right but but also make it flexible enough
to where if somebody wanted to go crazy with it and try to do
you know and do fit you know, their entire current you know,
credit role in EPA they could,
but also just using person is also Zena phobic Why couldn't an
alien and you know a person's not an alien or an animal.
That's,
ya know,
phobic and hereby not supported. It has to be a credit, though
that we can't,
but we can cancel
we cancel persons.
persons to cancel. Credit. Okay.
All right. So I'd like credit better personally. But that's
something that anyway, that's what this is for this show is
here to discuss. So I'm just
picked up on the mastodon, do you want to thank some credits?
I mean, some persons.
I just want to finish the face to tags. And I'd love to thank
some persons.
Okay.
I can because I because the next one was season and I wanted to
make a point about this. Okay, that we have. I think it's
Stacey from NPR. She's She's been on the GitHub namespace
looking about looking into season, something they've always
wanted to do. They haven't really gotten the any support
from any apps. And I and I think that they're, they pop their
their own publisher, right. They have their own system. They have
their own
publishing system. As far as I can tell from the generator tag,
it looks like they post their own stuff. Yeah.
So here's a tremendous opportunity for app developers.
Let's get on this season. let's implement the season. Let's make
it look really nice for whatever NP whatever NP RS needs are. I
personally don't i don't see the season for me, but I totally
understand how that fits with NPR. And what a great
opportunity. Just saying it
in the basis of what they want is just is a very simple change.
You know, in this day here again, this gets into another
competing philosophical idea with the namespace is well
there's already you know, a seasoned tack there is named in
the iTunes namespace, but the but it doesn't meet their needs.
Why doesn't do you know why? Because it does not support
text.
numbers. Oh, it's just a
number. You can either you can only have season one, season
two, season three type of deal. And the what they want is a
textual
freedom free form. Do whatever you want.
Yeah, they want to have they want to have season one. not
show up as seen. In one, they want to be able to name it where
it's like
the Bush years.
Yes. Yes, exactly. Yeah,
exactly. The Obama regime. Yeah, the tragedy, the dark, the dark
with dark winter. Exactly.
That's, it's a simple change, just add a text text attribute
in there, and you're done. But you know, if you just look at it
from, oh, you're just duplicating that team's
namespace. And you said you weren't going to do that. He
said, No, he said, don't duplicate the existing art.
Well, there's a few. You know, there's a few different ways in
which you have to do that. There's no, it's not
duplication. If it's not the same thing, it's correcting.
Yes. correcting a mistake.
Yeah, exactly. If it's not meeting people's needs, you you
do you duplicate it, and you fix it? Yeah. And
from a technological standpoint, although I'm sure that people
have back end systems, depending on the numerology version. It
really there's no technical reason to not just accept any
other characters, right?
Yeah, there's no, there's no challenge to that. I mean,
that's a simple thing, right? And really, what's what's,
here's what, here's the way it should go. app, Apple should
just say, Okay, we'll dump all of the iTunes tags into the
namespace into the podcast namespace, which change, change
it up and modify them however we need to. And then let the whole
world know that they just need to change from iTunes, colon to
podcast colon, and we're done. Yep. Well, that's not pie in
disguise?
No. Well, we'll see. We'll see. They're not asleep over there at
Apple. But I think they're very focused on a feeling they're
pretty focused on creating what you would call podcasts Plus, I
think they're gonna do some kind of offering like that.
I think they have to,
I don't think they have to at all, I think they're foolish.
But I think they have to from a, from a business standpoint. I
mean, you can't, if Spotify is doing it, that's their main
competitor. They they're just like, Well, I
think it wasn't the same logic that took away the Escape key
from their, their Mac. I mean, is that is that is that how they
were thinking that they made those decisions to the same
logic tree? Yes, every developer I know,
why do they still have the touch bar? It's an obvious failure.
It's so bad. But
it's the Escape key being a command line guy myself, it's
like a tactile piece of goodness that's on your keyboard, you
know, you know where it is. You don't have to look for it.
Exactly where you put your finger. So you don't touch if
you have a touchscreen, you know, it's like, we don't want
to go too far. Yeah, but you just, it's just yeah, it's like,
it's that thing that's just there. It's like a part of life.
That was that was one huge mistake. And
that's one of those things in the nature of big companies
where, you know, they there's something happens and it got
done, and it got pushed through the system. And then somebody
looks at the top when it when it gets time to actually like PR it
and promo it and they're like, Whoa, yeah, wait, we did this,
how did we do this. And
that's why it's so nice to have users and developers working
together on this project. I know, I'm one of the few users
but there are more. There are more definitely more, we got a
whole host of buzzsprout feeds that are coming online with
this. So then we have the location tag, which I see
several use cases for I see a nightmarish situation developing
around what system to use for the values.
Well, that's been where most of the, you know, debate has been
around this is what how do you represent it? And that's what I
think we always knew that was gonna be one of the most
technically challenging tags. Because, you know, everybody,
part of what makes it challenging is everybody's got
an opinion. And the other part of what makes it a challenge is
that a lot of those opinion, opinions are legit. And when you
have four or five different opinions on how to do something,
and none of them are obviously wrong, pulled in, you just got
to pick one and you know, and hope for the best. But, you
know, we A lot of it's going to revolve around latitude
longitude specifications, right in here. And here's what and
this is another thing that is common with all these tours,
sorts of like standards development type work, is your
you end up spending most of your time debating about stuff that
99% of people are not going to use, you know, because like
there's, there's maybe, well I say not use it, I mean, they may
not even use the location tag at all. But then they also if they
do leave the location tag, they're probably just going to
use it in its most basic form and So you end up, you got a
design where that basic form that NET Core, that root thing
that it does is dead simple. is dead simple to create and dead
simple to consume, because you don't want this stuff to be so
complicated that, that it the people can't I would say this,
okay? RSS is XML, it's a, it's a markup language. You don't want
this stuff to be so complicated that you can't write it by hand,
right? Which it already, which is technically really already
is, it kind of is Yeah, but the spirit of it needs to be such
that you could write it by hand, if you needed to, that doesn't
mean that anybody's going to do it. Well, it means that it
that's what it's supposed to be
called throw my hat into the ring. Okay, on on location, and
I can see reasons to you, if I were to use the location tag, I
would probably use something that showed me as being probably
near downtown Austin. So if anyone wanted to find out what
podcasts are produced in Austin, I would not put my actual
location. But what I what I find as a creator, that can be done
pretty much everywhere. And I know that my phone understands
this, I know that I can put it into Google Maps, and it
understands this. And I have in my right in front of me on the
freedom controller, which is always I get a big kick out of
this. I have my IP address shows up and I click on that, and it
shows me my shows me my zip code, it shows me my city, it
shows me my latitude and longitude. And I think if I chop
off six digits, off of those numbers, then I think that would
make the resolution fuzzy enough so that you can't pinpoint me
exactly. But it's right there, it's very easy for me to
retrieve my actual latitude and longitude. And I could do that
with my phone. You could anybody can retrieve that information,
quite simply, I think you could probably even do it in a Google
search, if you have your location services turned on. So
that seems like a super easy way for anybody, not which also the
reverse is true, that you can as a hosting company, you can say,
give me a zip code and address. And I'll pin it to that. And
I'll just enter the latitude longitude, there's a million
services that do that.
The most recent sort of not debate that the most recent is
back and forth on that has been whether or not to require a
location like a string, whether or not to say, you know, like
us, like a locate, like locality and a country code, because
initially, we had it where location was an was a locality
and a country code. And then, well, locality or country and or
country code. And then latitude longitude was also an optional
spec that you could put in and say if you'd like, more
specific, I'm
okay with that.
But then, some people have were like, well, should should Latino
should it be? Should it just be largely longitude because you
can just make it may be more complicated to do it the other
way in latitude longitude can give you most of what you need,
at the resolution that you want. So they say that's just a just
goes back and forth. And, and
I'm sure you will make a wise decision, Dave.
I hope it's not me that made that decision with somebody
else. Because I don't want to I don't want that. But I mean, I
think but I do think it's I do think it's a great idea, because
you would it would help you. And I can tell you, I can show you
exactly why it's a great idea. Somebody emailed me the guy from
Kazakhstan that we talked about that didn't know donation last
last week. Yep. He he's wanting to build a cosmic Stan podcast
search engine. And we've emailed about it and he's like, but you
know, the cut, it could be the languages could either be
Kazakhstan, Kazakhstani or Russian. Mm hmm. And so you
can't you can't just limit it to language. And you can't limit it
to just a k A k z domain but don't
just enter Caliphate and it pops up. Yeah, yeah.
Does CP TLD you can't like you just got oil as well. I
can't you just follow hunter Biden and then your lead right
to Kazakhstan. I don't understand the problem.
If you did, please don't do that. Don't Don't Google that.
You'll end up black bag. Yeah. There's your There's your thing.
Like you can't. There's nothing to Kion that tells you anything.
So but if you had the location tag, you could. You could just
easily say okay, well all of these podcasts originate from
cows. It doesn't have to give you your street address. I mean,
it could just be kazakstan the whole country, you know? Yeah,
I think just the simplest known systems, you know, it's like,
yeah, I think city, city, state, country, and then longitude,
latitude, make it optional. Whatever you want to pick, it's
all optional, I presume. And you can, you can pick and choose
whatever you want to want to be included in the Kazakhstani
index, then you have to enter your country code appropriately.
Yeah. So since I just do a couple options, there doesn't
have to be either or.
I mean, I think I think we're, I think we're most of the way
there on location. And in person slash credit, we just got to get
just get to get that last mile. Well, I'm
glad I'm glad he's doing. He's doing something because there's
a lot of people that pop up and say, Oh, I'd love this. You
know, and what that means. I'd love for someone out there to
create an app that does that utilizing this that doesn't
exist yet. So yeah, that's, that's my spiel here.
When when somebody goes up to the pastor is like, Hey, I
really wish that there was this there was this ministry in the
church, and you know, the pastor's like, great. Go ahead
and do it now. Oh, wait, what? Yeah, me? Yeah,
exactly.
Yeah, I think that's where we're at. Okay, I think we can get it
done. I don't see why we can't get I don't
see why we could either. And then we have my favorite Of
course, the value block.
Yep. You know,
or what are the what are the discussions around the value
block? Because it seems pretty straightforward.
I don't think there's really any discussion about me, Brian brown
of London, he's, he's trying to work to get it adapted to other
coins. hive, or
he did it. Is he needed any changes for that? Or is he
if he if he does, he hadn't said he hadn't shared it? Okay. I
mean, a thing is fairly straightforward. I mean, there's
really not a whole lot of stuff he can change there.
So I discussed all this yesterday at the last night at
the Austin Bitcoin meetup. Which was, yes, I was invited by Ryan
Gentry. Who is the I don't want to get his title wrong. I think
he's vice president or Senior Vice President of Business
Development at lightning labs. And it was it's kind of funky
because this place on East Fifth Street, which is, you know,
downtown Austin with the, with the original lockdowns and then
some of the we did have a couple BLM marches, which got a little
a little messy the first time around, there's more graffiti
and just
destruction one day, right? It didn't, didn't get Yeah,
that was there. Two things. As a side note in Austin, two things
that are interesting. One is you know, there was a Black Lives
Matter rally and one of the protesters had a ar 15. And they
did what you've probably seen on the news, they surrounded a car
and the guy with the AR 15 walked up to the person's
window, raised his raised his barrel, and he did it to the
wrong person. And the guy in the car, I think he's off duty or
active military. T immediately. He's sitting away fired. And he
called the police right away. And he's, he's, you know, self
defense. And I stopped stops, that stopped all the bullcrap in
Austin. That and the horses, which I thought was really cute.
When there was Yeah, there was a smaller group and they were
trying to raise a ruckus and they were blocking off the
street. And then the Austin PD came in the Mounted Police and,
and what it does to a lot of these 20 year old kids is it's a
brain freeze because they look at the horse and like, well, but
that's animal cruelty. And then all sudden, this two and a half
thousand thousand pound beast comes over and starts pushing
you along and you will respond very well to this horse. If
you've ever been next to a Ryan horse nutrition, you have no
idea it's they are badass and I grew up in the 70s in the
Netherlands where there was a lot of anarchist riots. And man
when they brought in the the horses, people disperse. They
don't want you don't want to mess with the horses. I never
thought about that having having an animal versus some sort of
technological you know, these horses, not animals,
man. They're tanks these things were crazy. So anyway, so it was
this boarded up part of East 53 which is downtown dark no lights
at all. And I'm like, you know what's gonna happen this is the
perfect scam come to my Bitcoin meetup. I'm gonna get shipped
here on Fifth Street and you know, bleed out on the sidewalk.
They're gonna steal your public key
Yeah. So that's funny.
Um,
then but actually, Ryan Ryan found me so and it was I think
it was at unchained capital, which is a multi SIG blockchain
company. So they're working on multiple signatures for
releasing ads. All these are all Bitcoin are mainly I would say
Bitcoin developers, there's about 2025 of them. And
I heard an interview with the unchained capital guys on I
forget his podcast that was
probably DC.
Yeah, no, no, it was some some other one. But they they were
seemed like pretty cool. Pretty cool guys again, interesting
business model.
Yeah. Well, it was, it was all super nice, very, very smart
people. And, you know, and so I got a little introduction, I and
I went through kind of my, I've got down to 20 minutes now I can
pitch all the way up to, to the value for value lightning
payments for starting 16 years ago, man. Yeah. So that that
were pretty well. A lot of interest. It, I think there were
some brain freezing going on, because the nature of Bitcoin
developers is to have absolute security, you can't be sending
something, you know, like, it's in your wallet. And if you know,
you don't have a, you know, explicit reason for a payment,
like there was a lot of security based stuff
get, like, you're gonna put what in an RSS feed? I know
exactly, exactly. But there was also a lot of Holy crap. That's,
that's a very cool way to do it. And it's, it appears that our
multi payment concept has really sparked some actual development
in the lightning protocols to enable that in a little more
native fashion.
Oh, really? That's interesting.
Yeah. Which I'm sure will be backwards compatible into what
we're doing. But it was nice to hear that. Um, then. So after my
20 minutes, and then they started just presenting stuff
about lightning and Bitcoin. And holy crap. These guys are deep.
Well, yeah,
they're on a different level. Well,
let me see. So if you have a UX t O's, and those are ready to
go, but you want to put it into the pool, so that you can
obviously as like,
you just checked out and you started looking at your plan,
and was like, yeah, I'm really excited about taproot. And I'm
like, I'm like in the corner there Google route. So they're
they're working on a lot of the core of Bitcoin, but it was nice
to meet everybody. Amazing to meet two people in the same room
in Texas, whose first name is Parker. I didn't think that was
possible. And both of them looks like harkers. They were great.
This is great. Your partner your partner, you're both Parker.
Okay. Yeah, then we went out to a little barbecue and, and
chatted with the, with Ryan, a bit more. And yeah, he's, it was
very interesting to see Ryan actually promoting what we're
doing more than I am a he was going around showing everybody
the tribes on spinx chat, and he said, Look, here's how the SATs
flow in. And it was just like, Wow, we had to send him a box of
candies once in a while he was really, really pitching art.
Well, he also told me that it's most likely, at this moment, not
by value amount, but by transaction amount, that we are
a little group here with animal rehab, six podcasts, seven
podcasts that are no value block enabled, that we're probably
responsible for the majority of lightning payments on the
network today. Are you key? Yeah, yes, yes.
Okay. So that's what I told somebody on. That's what I told
him in the tstc tribe the other day, I was like, Well, you know,
some may have been yesterday, somebody was talking about how
some kind of use case there, you know, this is like, gonna be the
perfect use case. So the thing I'm local, to me, podcasting is
the perfect use case for lightning payments. I mean,
like, if what's needed is to drive traffic onto the lightning
network. I mean, like it's done.
Exactly.
I mean, I can't imagine that and I think I mentioned I think I
had asked this question was before, let's just say that you
get 150 podcasts that are sending lightning payments. Do
we know that the lightning network can handle that much
Keystone traffic?
Well, thank you for asking because this comes down to the
HDL C's that go right back to the UT stos. Okay,
you got Okay, that makes perfect sense.
There, well, okay. So this, this brings in another another
important point. So The way this works is with these nodes. And
so for a while, we were just using my my raspy Blitz, which
is a ready made package, essentially Raspberry Pi with
all the bits and bobs into it. And it's simple enough for me to
set up. We were using that for the index, when you're getting,
like 10 payments a minute. And those payments come pretty much
within each other within the same time frame, I could see
that I could see the CPU load go up, and of course it would have
to. So I don't know how that scales. I really don't. But at
the same time, we have two fantastic developments. And then
we should probably circle back into exactly what you know, what
what we need and where we're going with this back shall lead
into it. At the same time, we have a community of Bitcoin
podcasting, people coming together. So in this group, we
have savingstar chat, which is just say, Paul, and mainly but
of course, Evan and there's other people who work there. And
and they're really,
really Gonzalo, right, because
they're really, really doing a great job in the tribes, helping
people supporting people. I think we've all gotten into the
habit of once in a while just throwing a boost out there just
to get everyone's attention.
Yes, it's funny how these little standards develop? Yeah. Oh,
yeah, it's
beautiful. The standards are these cool, you know, the the
numerology of it all. And so that, yeah,
sometimes I noticed that somebody hasn't dropped, like,
and somebody hasn't had a new episode in a while, because
they'll boost Adam just to get you to give him some.
So the system that Sphinx chat uses, and the way they've built
architecture, their systems everybody has, has a node. And
you know, provisioning those and getting them up and running. And
keeping that infrastructure running at scale is something
that they're, you know, they're working on and figuring out how
to do that in the most efficient way. Also, in this group, as I
mentioned, is Ryan, and through Paul, maybe Paul, and Orion, we
have Graham, and Graham runs the voltage voltage.io.
Yeah, I did hear him on TF TC.
Right. So voltage is literally a node he is you started up, it's
not a it's not a server you can get into there's no SSH, there's
there's no way to get into it's a very simple control panel. And
you access everything from the outside through the API, you can
only access it for access it from whitelisted IP addresses, I
think there's a lot of security consciousness that's going on
there. You can pay in Bitcoin. So I've set the podcast index
node up with him, and it's performing beautifully. It's it,
it's really doing quite well. Now it's good these type of
services,
did you set that up as a neutrino node, like a light node
or the full?
It's a full node?
Because I think they they just released the lights, the
neutrino nodes race, like when the last week?
Yeah, I mean, I went for the full on top option, because I
didn't know if the other ones included peace and or not. So I
just got, I just got that. But I think Graham will be putting
together packages for podcast podcasters for creators who want
to just say this is nice. And I think that hosting company
should talk to guys like Graham, because you're gonna want to
offer this to your customers. And it's probably easier to to
do a handoff and have a relationship there. I don't I
don't know if hosting companies are interested in in hosting
nodes that may be a bit much,
we've got to secure it, you've got you've, you've got the
security there too. And you don't have to worry about people
winging it. You know, that because well, you know, James
Cridland said on the on the mastodon, he was like, Somebody
said, Well, you know, you should talk about this with the tags
and the newsletter and all stuff. And he's like, I can't
talk about this right now. He's like, there's no, like, it's
just not far enough along. I mean, like, it doesn't even make
any sense. Like, I even know what to say. So that's legit,
that is perfectly legit. Because like, you can't, until What you
need is a situation like that, where you have somebody who can
say, you know, here's, here's a node, and here's an X, you know,
here's your XML, just go sticking up. You know, here's
your, you know, here's your hand, here's a handoff to your
host, and host to your hosting provider, and they can stick in
your feet, and then it's like, then you don't, then you don't
have to worry about the implementation details. And it's
all just a matter of how does, how does it work? Don't explain
that.
So for podcasters, who want to get ready, and if you want to
get started, I believe you can do that. So if you set up a node
with voltage.io and now And we already have a process in place
for for strings chat. But if you go to podcaster wallet.com, and
claim your feed, claim your wallet really, and you, then you
enter your, your your node ID that you get from voltage, then
and then we have a spot right there on the website, right that
you just say, you can say either I have Sphinx chat, which
activates the app, or you can do a different node, your own node
or voltage node. When you do that, and you're, you're
basically already set up. Yeah, that's all you have to do. I
mean, we you should, if you can, you should pace the value block
into your feed. But if you can't, at least for now, and for
the foreseeable future, you're already set up through the apps
that communicate with the index.
Yeah, it'll it'll stick it directly in index, if you don't
have your feed. Like if you don't have the ability to edit
your feed, which a lot of people don't. Yeah, so that that's,
that's the way around so you can get your get your node voltage
node or you know, things node or whatever set up and then just
paste it in there. If you wanted to do it that way, and then that
gets around having for now until, until the value book,
adoption comes along, that gets that gets around that edge, it
just sticks it directly into the index. So that so that lightning
enabled podcast apps, like Sphinx, and other ones that come
online can see it.
Yeah. And a reminder that all of the code that Sphinx is using is
all open source, they posted on the GitHub, you can you can
replicate anything, you couldn't use their app with your node. I
mean, there's all of that as possible. And in addition to
that, Ryan introduced me to ROI from Rhys wallet, and Brees is
an Israeli company, they have a now they have a their business
model, the way I understand that is they provide a wallet, a
lightning wallet, which they will also help you convert your
Fiat to Bitcoin and then put it right into your lightning
wallet, which is a big deal, because they can do it end to
end. And then when you want to take your money back out and
turn it into Fiat, they help you with that as well. And so they
take care of all of that it's a it is a fully loaded wallet, but
they do all the channel management and everything for
you. So he is what I've actually been looking for that company is
a lightning service provider. And what was cool about that is
that for using that infrastructure for a podcast
app, which only needs to send satoshis, it doesn't need to
receive therefore doesn't need to be online, 24. Seven, it's
the perfect situation for a podcast app to roll out its
scale. And I had a nice chat with Roy earlier in the week.
And he is just getting everything together. But they
there they plan to add podcasting into i think that i
think what he wants to do is, you know, they have what
everyone else has a marketplace where you can, you know, go buy
gift cards and stuff like that do stuff with your with your
lightning. And in there will be a podcast player and you just
hit it and it'll turns into a podcast player and it's already,
it's basically already a part of your wallet. So then you can
start sending value for value SATs to the podcast that are
enabled this way. And the idea is that they will drop a
reference app onto their GitHub. So anybody can pick that up and
implement it because you don't need a lightning node
infrastructure to develop this for your app for people to use.
That would be great, because that's really what's missing is
reference code. Yep. Because the developers on on the mastodon,
they just they don't know where to start with any of this stuff.
You know, and it's they can't start from scratch. It's too big
of a learning curve,
right? And then you know, so however, it happens once we have
an app that people can just go get from an app store or just go
to a website and make it a progressive web app or just use
a straight from their browser. Once we have that man, then the
push comes. And, and again, the machine is working. We have six
podcasts right now. And every single minute of every hour of
every single day. I see on the podcast index node satoshis
coming in. So people are playing the podcast, they're using the
app, they love all the additional payment goodies and
features that are thrown in there. The machine is working.
We just need more of the machine.
And that's it like I don't know how deep. We want to get into
that. But I think it's worth mentioning what while we're,
while we're pushing this, and it's because advertising is
censorship. I mean, like, I don't know. I mean, we've talked
about that before. But I don't know that we've ever really made
it clear. Why advertising is this shit, we just keep saying
it.
It's very, it's very Yes,
can you give an explanation as somebody who's been in the media
for a very long time.
So first of all, if you have advertisers, you have to realize
that they are your boss, and they're your boss, because they
pay you the money directly or indirectly. And what for
whatever reason, they think that something is not appropriate for
their brand or their service to be associated with. And that
association can just even be on the same app or device. If they
don't want it, then you're not it's not going to happen.
Otherwise, they walk they have the ultimate ultimate tool. So,
what invariably happens is either the content is driven by
advertising, also known as advertorial. You can look at
most you can see, television shows certainly daytime shows, I
mean, gosh, the soap opera was actually developed around
company selling so products. So you know, and they use the
products on the show, etc. So often advertising drives the
content. In this world, the most exciting seems to be the free
flow of content and verbal diarrhea, if you will, but but
people seem to enjoy all forms have that. And if so, you
certainly you will self censor, because you won't talk about a
competing product, or you'll go out of your way to disclaim
something, or you will have to be disclaiming anything else you
discuss, I'm not getting paid for this. So you're already
bringing all kinds of discredit into the conversation with your
audience. And ultimately, it can be used as a wedge or a tool
against you, by people who just don't like you. And they will
mount campaigns very easy to do with social media and today's
modern communication tools, they will mount a campaign against
you and they figured out which is no secret that you if you
tell the advertisers that hey, you're associating with this
evil person, advertisers will drop it in a heartbeat, Twitter
is full of it. Go look at all the look, go look at Sleeping
Giants. And they will tag brands specifically and say, Do you
know that your ad is being run on this horrible website? And
immediately you see replies Oh, thank you. We weren't aware of
this, we will let you know that we have immediately stopped
this. So it's a lose, lose, lose lose situation. The only kind of
podcast advertising that is not censorship is when it's
advertising for your own business such as this podcast.
This podcast advertises one thing, and it is our it's far
our vision, our mission, the two part mission of preserving
podcasting as a platform of speech and retooling podcasting
into a platform of value, and we do that with podcast index. And,
and this is one giant commercial. And but it's our
own. So it's always going to be censored, whether you do it. I
mean, I think I might have mentioned this, but Joe Rogan,
who now has, you know he has a different boss, but he has a
boss that is going to sell beyond Tommy john, and and
Squarespace and some nutritional products. They want BMW and
Volvo and Delta Airlines and Johnson and Johnson and the big
brands. And Joe is known to be controversial. So brands will be
taking that chance but what he's doing is when he has alex jones
on, he's going into full blown fact check mode and slowing down
his own conversation every five minutes to look at a website to
see if what Jones said about global warming is true. And I
know and he's doing it because he wants to appease the people,
you know, technically that are above him.
But there's another aspect of it too, which is like I'm looking
at the head this print out of pod news for that other that
other headline I read, but I'm just looking on it it says the
top podcast advertisers, I'm guessing this is for October,
where Amazon at number three for it with a 2.7 million spend as
zip recruiter and number two with 3 million and better help.
And number one with 3.7 million wishes an online like many
mental health counseling service. And I've heard better
help. Yeah, I've heard their ad reads. And they're there.
They're all host reads, that are at least all the ones I've
heard. And they're, they're terrible, like me. And what I
mean is, I've heard about three of them all host reads. And
there's so bland and so disingenuous. But as you can
tell that course, if they, if they used the cert, they all
claim to have used the service. But if they did, they just did
it on a perfunctory basis, just so they could say that they used
it. And it's just, it's totally not believable. And most people,
most people are not really good at doing host reads anyway, it
seems like a skill that you have to really develop over time. And
so one of the, you know, if you're trying to, I don't know
what their budget is, I guess there may be a Silicon Valley
startup type thing, so they just have tons of money to throw at
people. But like that, that's the other part of trying to
drive this is not just the censorship angle. But giving
people another way to get paid, so that they don't have to sort
of, I'm just gonna say it, I'm gonna say it this way, don't
have to demean themselves. And voice doing by doing those,
those ad reads, they're just not truthful.
And let me run the numbers by everybody one more time, this is
what makes the eyes go open when you run the numbers. And to
understand this, know that I was I've been able to convert three
to 4% of all of my audiences to sending value for the value they
receive, I never say how much I just say whatever you think it's
worth, and no agenda to families, I've survived for 13
years. Well, the last, the last half of those 13, we've survived
on the show alone, and put kids into college. So you know, it's
you can have a comfortable lifestyle. This show this
project has converted at a much higher percentage. And we'll be
thanking people in a moment, we can't believe we haven't done
that up until now. And if you look at the 100 million podcast
listeners in the United States, obviously all over the age of
25. Who, and this is into the interactive agent, advertising,
bureau statistics,
the ones under 25 don't have any money anyway,
thanks a screw them, you don't need them in this project. Yeah.
They, on average, these 100 million people listen to one
hour a day, seven days a week. So let's convert 1% of those
people to the pledge model. And this is not something that I can
or need to do every podcaster has their own pitch to their
audience. And every audience member will in turn when they
hear about this, say to their favorite podcast, or Hey, you
might want to consider using this system. So we can convert
1%. And we value one hour of content at $1. Now we have $1
million a day flowing through podcasting.
That's a lot of money. And and we can that's a lot of people
making a that would be now maybe that would be making a living
that or not now,
and over time 1% to an app developer is going to be a hell
of a lot interesting.
And I can tell you this, that the app, the the podcast, app
ecosystem is not very large. It's not at all You look, you
look at podcasts, there's how many 1.71 point 8 million out
there. Yeah. I mean, there's some somewhere close to 2
million podcasts. There's, there's only about probably 20
or 25 legitimate podcast apps. Yeah, and that may be that may
be high and maybe being generous. So I mean, if you can
get if you can make one 1% out of that smaller pool. You're
very good lid is real money. It's real money. And it's a life
changing event.
Yes. And, and and what's super exciting for me, and I should be
the most jaded guy in the world. When I look at my wallet, and I
see three satoshis a minute coming in. I'm excited. I mean,
I look at it several times they go Ah, and it says oh no, the
three satoshis now the three satoshis it's not like it's it's
like it's like likes you know, it's like oh, oh, it feels good.
It's like serotonin all kinds of stuff is firing in my brain I
feel good about it.
It's like a it's like five thousandths of a penny or
something like that.
Yeah, but it's but it doesn't matter at all. You know, it's
often just get more listeners than it'll be more. Yeah, and
it's a it's a beautiful cycle of life. And this is the value for
value model it works. I think it's going to be adopted by more
similar nascent industries as we move forward. It's a it's a
perfect place to really kickstart this micro payment
economy, particularly with all these splits that go down the
line. And now, you got me thinking now with this credits
tag and all of that, our entire project is value for value,
which means whatever value you're getting out of this
podcast or out of the index, the services, the apps, your hosting
company innovating and changing, if that's a value to you, and
you appreciate that, just give us some value back, we asked for
the three T's Dave mentioned at time, talent or treasure, and we
have people who have been pressing the big red Donate
button, on, on on podcast. I also have several 10,000.
Satoshi donations, but of course, I don't have any name
associated with them. But I see those coming in I think every
day someone's doing at 10. So that's $1 a day basically, which
seems to be coming in from the from our lightning link, which
is also is right under the donate button.
what's currently $1 is like 5500 satoshis Oh,
you're right. You're right. Yes. It was about a buck. 50 I guess.
Yeah. But actually today, right now, Bitcoin is 18,645. Since
we, since we started talking since we start implementing this
Bitcoin has jumped by 30%. Just because of podcast index.
Yes, it's
us. Yeah, absolutely.
Did you see the little thing? The bot in the Sphinx chat app?
slash BTC. Price? Yeah,
yeah. Then you get well, you do BTC SATs. And it'll tell you the
ratio sales
ratios. Yeah. That's,
like 5500 or something like that.
That went fast. It didn't move very fast. Well,
let me thanks. Some people. There's Michael Winget are
winging it. He did a $10 month subscription.
Great. Thank you, Michael.
Yeah,
and I can't subscriptions are fantastic. Because that that's
lifeline.
That's a lifeline. And it helped a lot this week. Specifically,
Thank you, Michael. Because there we had two other donations
that they got cancelled. So I appreciate Michael stepping up
and come into a monthly payment that really helps. I can't find
a note from from you, Michael. So if you need a note or
anything read on the air, just tell me and I can do that next
week. I get
just throw that on the ground.
Yeah. Okay.
That's a cool effect. You don't hear that anymore. These days. I
like that. I like the paper crumble. I'd like hearing it
drop on your floor. That's cool.
You should I'll just take a screenshot one of the camera one
of these days. I've got a an ethernet cable stretched halfway
across the living room. Just
far, my desk is finally done my my custom made podcast desk.
He sent me pictures and I love the love the guest thing where
you have the two mics set up on the other side of it.
Oh, yeah. And they got their own headphone volume. And I got a
little outlet and a phone charger USB charging port. And
oh, yeah. Oh, and my wires are all hidden away. I gotta do a
video of this thing. It's so badass. It's so beautiful. So
happy.
Everything that yours is mine is not.
Right. Exactly. Exactly. But I've been in many many closets
Dave. I graduated from the closet to the from the clue do
to this place. So that was that was part of Tina and I we bought
this house. It's like I gotta have a studio. Now. I want to
have real studio and I want to spend some money on it. So you
know, it took me six months for this desk.
gilera Guillermo Del gustan he spent some money on us.
All right,
thanks for the thanks for the work you were doing for
podcasting in general, keep podcasting that keep podcasting
as a platform of free speech is a noble mission. And gilera on
purpose. I'm saying that right, Gil Armadale Gustin, he's great.
By the way, he's been super helpful. He's been all over the
GitHub, all over podcasts indexed us social. He's just,
he's just invested. And he's, he's he's helping out a ton
and how much how much did he send in $20. Thank you very
much, Guillermo. By the way, the desk is not coming out the
podcast index. Neither Dave or I take any money out of this?
No. That was just enough to pay the bill.
That's my podcasting money that I spent this on. So nothing to
do with the index. Appreciate that. And so he's given us time,
talent and treasure. That's great.
Yeah, he's the developer. He says I'm the developer,
developer of pod station, and open source aggregator packaged
as a browser extension currently integrated with podcast index
search. I hope to be able to collaborate more with your
project and the podcast ecosystem as a whole in the
future.
I'm looking at them now. pod pod station. Is it pod station?
Yeah, that's it. Yeah. Bus Station earlier, Matt
della goostin. Oh, okay. This is interesting. It's a Chrome
extension. Nice. Really? Yeah.
I haven't checked it out. I thought it was a website.
No, it's here add to chrome. You know, just do it. Why the hell
not add to chrome? Is it now done? Checking doo doo doo
implemented? Oh, let me see. So now if I do podcasting 2.0 if
he's because that is not listed on Apple and boom, it pops up
immediately. Yeah. Wow.
That's very cool. Oh, nice.
Oh, my goodness. That is fast as stuff.
Let me
Oh, I like that. Does he have a player in here? Episode 11.
Yeah, puts it right into a player. Holy crap. That was
fast. That's Yeah, there you go. Man, that thing is smoking fast.
Well, is it a testament to you, sir?
To me?
Yes. It's it's doing it's doing an index search?
Oh, well, I'll take it. I'll get Look, I'll give a little bit
credit.
Now, but how do I how do I access this? I mean, now it's an
extension. But what does it do as an extension?
Oh, yes. Yeah. I just got it on my Chrome to podcasting.
Oh, my God. So it has the it has has the fund fast. Like grant
funding funding is in there. The fun tag is picking that up. Yep.
That works. Holy crap. Oh, yeah. They
see the funding tag. Yeah. Oh, that's right. Yes. Okay. Yeah, I
knew because he I saw him post a screenshot the other day. Yeah,
yeah. Okay, I remember this now. And marked it so I could go back
and look, but
how do you? I mean, how does it How does the How does the the
Chrome extension work? I mean, how do you get to it? I'm not
quite sure I understand.
Man. Put a man put a thing up at the top. But you know, they
changed that in Chrome wearers. Oh,
I see it. There you go. Oh, yeah, it's right up there at the
top. Oh, my goodness. You got to pin it. Yeah. Oh, that's pretty.
Yeah, it's
pretty nice. Holy
crap. Adam. Fast, fast.
Gs. says add a speed going
on with this speed people.
I wonder how I wonder if he supports adding back to the
index? Because I hope he does. And he asked him about that.
Because I would like I would like to have more apps pay.
Adding Miss admitting back, huh? Okay. David, sorry.
I was just blown away by that. I'm sorry.
You're all sorry. I
know. I am. starry eyed.
Exactly. David Metis gave us $50 donation. Oh, wow. Nice. Thank
you for doing your part to protect podcasting his platform
for free for free speech. Oh, thank
you for doing yours.
Thank you, David. Appreciate it. See, Oh, we got another $50
donation from Damon. Static and and he says he just says thanks
for your efforts, keep podcasting open. Do very short
notes and $50 donations each Thank you very much. Yes, thank
you Damon. I wonder where Damon is from Chris k. s A CJ AK is
his last name. Let me know where you're from. And let me know
that let me know how much I'm not
bad. Nick Butcher did yeah.
Bob Diggins today gave he donated $10 All right, thank
you. I don't see a note from Bob. And so if you have a note,
let me know Bob and I'll read it. Thank you very much. And we
also had a $5 donation from Pat deery.
Name that sounds familiar.
d e. ROI. And it's Pat at Well, I'm not gonna say that but it's
it looks like patent maybe candy Navy.
is really not candy navion
Yeah. It looks like Pat maybe it Canadian. Pat, thank you for $5
really appreciate it and I could not find a note from Pat. So if
you if you have some for a note Let me know. But that's our
that's our donors this week.
Yes. And whoever sent us to 100 sat payments today. And
basically whoever's doing 10,000 a day, thank you very much. It's
coming in on the node.
We see it if you want credit, tell us,
I have to get into a log. Otherwise, I could give the
thank them for the transaction ID or something like that. Thank
you by ID by node number. This is very, very much appreciated.
Thank you to everyone who's supporting this. We, it's so
appreciated, because it keeps it running. It keeps the servers
running. How many do we have running now at this point? You
must have in the 20s.
And we get a lot. It's almost 20.
I love it. I love that screenshot. You sent me a week
ago or so. of your, your, your command station.
Oh, oh, yeah. The 57 monitors.
Yeah, that's cool. That's like, that's the man behind the
curtain. That's how it's run. I always wondered why it works.
Okay.
I think we have 18 servers right now. I'm not. I can't I don't
have my phone with me. So I can't get into two factor. But I
think I think we have 18
which reminds me the podcast images.com. House was Mike, who
was working on Mike Kelly. Oh,
yeah. Mike's he's gone off the grid. So I think he must be busy
with work. He, he I think he he tends to go offline and come
back from time to time.
So he said, how were apps doing images now? Are they using
iTunes? Or how are they doing the image nuts,
they're still just doing a straight up like digital
proxying through their own back end? Like so like pod friend? It
has, you know, it has a server that backs Okay, using that?
Yeah, yeah, I think that's the way they're getting around it
for the time being. But, um, but I'm sure Mike will come out of
he'll come out topic.
Because for something like that, just for Mike or anyone else
who's interested in this just moving forward. Lightning
protocol has something called l SAT, which is basically a way to
charge for API access at a micro micro micro payment level, then
it will be a part of the same infrastructure. And it's
something that I mean, the days of free are over, nothing can
just be free anymore. Without advertising or data harvesting
and selling. So be on the lookout for those things to get
more prominence in our world as well, as people start to
understand how a real like, you know, charging someone $100 a
month for API access could be pretty extreme compared to what
they're really using or what the value really is. So
well, that's why David Norman, from hyper kosher switched to
using using us was just because he couldn't, he couldn't afford
the hundred dollar a month for listen nose. So he switched over
to using us
he was using them before I didn't realize
he was he was using them for on a test level. And then his dad
had to start paying when he when he put his app in the App Store.
And, you know, he just he couldn't afford it. You know,
and that, and that's fine. That's always the drawback of
pay per use is pay per use can get annoying, when you don't
know how much use you're going to have. But it does always have
it on the low end, it always does have the benefit of you're
not, you're not paying for something that you're not using.
Right. And that can really mean the difference between being
able to launch a product and not being able to write so i think
you know, I think that I think they'll set stuff. I don't even
know anything about it yet. But from everything that you that
you've heard and and I've heard through through those Bitcoin
guys, it's going to be a really big deal. Yeah.
And then finally, and thank you comic strip blogger, he raised
his hand, we desperately need this page. That is right front
and center. From the podcast index landing page. I actually
registered new podcast apps.com Hello marketing. which I'd like
to point to that page right now. It
points to the fact that you are Tina.
That was Adam, thank you very much.
Okay.
I'm just calling you. I'm the domain name guy. Man. I'm the
one on the couch. Go like dark winter.com Ah, shit too late.
How many? How many domains Do you own?
Okay, I will tell you just take a look. It's a frightening
number.
Is it really?
Oh, it's not that bad. But 250
He leaves. Yeah, a lot of domains.
Yeah, it is. But, you know, from time to time be like key. Oh,
let me see if I don't have something like that. And oh,
yeah, I got this. So new podcast apps calm, I think is something
that I'd like to point hundreds of thousands of people at. So
but I'm not going to point them to a GitHub page.
Pretty
so I but I want the fruits of our labor and I want to be able
to promote it, I want to be able to promote every app, but I want
the page to be pretty and I want everyone to logo and I want the
hosting companies. And I want to, you know, the, the, the
transcription companies, I want everything on that page, nicely
categorized, and we can show this is podcasting. 2.0.
Otherwise, we're just, you know, just floating around in a little
bubble. So this is the
part that this is why I'm here. So don't don't make me learn
react, people.
Don't make me learn anything.
It's not gonna end up well.
So I know comics for bloggers diving in this weekend, he may
need some help. So whatever we can do, and this page needs to
be maintained, because it grows. And this is where we're gonna
showcase all of our stuff. And it's where I want to send people
and they can go Oh, I I I'd love to have chapters or transcripts.
And I could do it with this hosting company. And I can get
this transcription from there. And if someone wants to
providing and community chapters as a service, it should be
there. All of this stuff. All of this should be on this page.
Beautiful layout, it should just look pretty as pretty as the
rest of the website. So that's my plea. For more talent in
time. It's something I'm just not capable of. I don't have the
skills. I'm very good at hacking up a page and pointing a domain
to it. That's about right and brand breaking. Breaking
podcast. Yeah, I break podcast as for breakfast brother. I do.
Broke three before 9am
that was just waiting on a train.
It's a long show, man. We got it. We got it. Yeah, this one
Anything
else? Anything I can do for you specifically?
No, no, no. I'm good. I'm, I feel I'm like 90% good. And I'm
kicking him kicking the COVID
Yeah, that was a tough one. I was just a real can bring you
down It's no joke.
Yeah, yeah, I'm but I'm good man. I'm back. I'm like, I'm
like back almost full power.
Good. super happy your your health. Is there, man. For sure.
Yeah. I was like, Oh, man. Don't Don't make me learn node.
Don't die. Please don't die. Me, Dave.
It's too many forms to fill out. All right, buddy. Thank you very
much. Again, and we'll be talking again next week. That's
podcasting. 2.0. It's the podcast where we tell you all
about the future podcast. We'll be back next week. See you then.