Adam Curry: podcasting 2.04 main fest 2023 Episode 131 Grab your
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he's organized, he's tidy, and he can cook. Say hello to my
friend on the other end, Mr. Dave Jones. A three. You can't
cook. No, I can't. Yes, you can. You could cook I thought you
were you're not really know anybody who can work. If you can
maintain a GitHub you can cook. You can read and cook.
Dave Jones: No, I have I've I can follow a recipe. Yeah, but
the recipes in recipe books horrible. They're like this.
This is the typical recipe book. It's okay, you're gonna make
Fettuccine Alfredo. First, go make the alfredo sauce, which is
on page 13.
Adam Curry: You know, you know, the next cloud? You're familiar
with the next cloud product, right?
Dave Jones: Is this the fork of ownCloud? Yes, exactly.
Adam Curry: Yeah. They have a whole recipe module. And it's
actually pretty good. And you can even you can just say, go to
this URL and import the recipe there. It knows how to parse
through a web page pulls it all in, get your ingredient list.
It's pretty bad.
Dave Jones: Is there an open spec for recipe formatting?
Adam Curry: You know, we've? No, I don't think so. But we've
talked about this we talked about I think at one point that
value for value. Could even be recipes with recipe chapters.
Dave Jones: We we talked about in in the boardroom? Yes. This
is a weird discussion, a
Adam Curry: good idea. It's a great idea. I'm telling you.
It's good
Dave Jones: medium said we needed a new medium tag. Yeah,
he made food
Adam Curry: equals a recipe. By the way. Today, as we all know,
podcasting 2.0 This podcast is not only a part of the overall
podcasting 2.0 project, it is the gateway to the drug that you
want on the back end. But it's also where we run with scissors,
which means it's very possible due to changes in today's
podcast V that it may not even work in your podcast app.
Dave Jones: It almost didn't work in yesterday.
Adam Curry: So I just yeah, we need to tell everybody how. And
I don't use this word lightly how awesome Steven b is. So I'm
getting ready for no agenda. We've been doing live shows,
while the legacy of lit into a degree is no agenda, who've had
an IRC chat room and a stream going for at least 14 years of
the 16. And so have that all in a live in your app in one of the
four curio caster pod pod verse. A podcast addict podcast Guru, I
think that's for so far. These of course phenomenal. So I've
been using it ever since we started podcasting. 2.0 right
off the bat is the reason Steven B is so awesome. He created
sovereign feeds, sovereign feeds.com, which is how I create
all of my podcast feeds. Why is it so awesome? Because whenever
we come up with some idea, he implements it, and then we're
publishing with that new tag or new feature in the feed. And
then he has the flip side to that curio caster, which of
course always eats its own dog food. So we so we have one round
robin trip that everybody can try out. And so you know, we've
had, you know, so you know, stuff breaks and stuff happens.
But now that I'm kind of using sovereign feeds in full on
production mode for a couple of years for for no agenda. And I
go in there to schedule the live show. And it doesn't work. I'm
clicking on the update Live episode just does nothing. I'm
refreshing. I'm logging in logging out like, Okay, now it's
time to reach out. And I can't get a hold of Steven. And you
know what, okay, I'll just continue this a couple hours
before the show. I'll just continue with my prep. And now
we're 30 minutes before the show. And I'm like, What am I
like, Oh my God. Now I'm thinking Dave knows next step.
We have to escalate this to level two.
Dave Jones: Tech support, which is no better than level one. Of
course neither
Adam Curry: of us have his number. Why would we? Why would
we?
Dave Jones: I'm looking at my signal. I'm like
Adam Curry: no, I thought it was in signal two, but I guess I
never had I don't know back channeling I'm publishing I'm
doing it. On the site itself. I'm sending emails. Like okay,
well just it is what it is and then we're into the pre show
music and being Yeah. Oh, okay. Yeah. And what did you say it
was? I think one of the libraries that he was using,
made a change.
Dave Jones: I see. It's like a date time library, maybe that
parses the date. He had a specific something with time. It
was something with the time you've looked at what the error
was, right?
Adam Curry: Yeah, it
Dave Jones: was, it was like spitting out an error in the
console. And it was like something with parsing the date
is whatever, like, like a minutes or something.
Adam Curry: Oh, he says, looks like the svelte library. I use
as my framework had some changes that broke a few components.
I've done some quick fixes, and tested it, it seems to be
working again, I'm able to update live item and download
the RSS feed. Let me see what was the and this was literally
1257, which is now three minutes before I go live to air. The
awesome. This is great. But the thing wasn't like, I wasn't
really worried at all, you know, like, Okay, we'll see whatever
happens. And boom, they're just like, Oh, of course, click,
click, click, click Live. And just as I'm going live, everyone
gets the ping. So I just love that. It actually kind of had
very broadcast news type vibe to it, you know, where people are
trying to get the tape in the machine on time throwing it
across the room like yeah, we did it. We got on air. Hi,
everybody.
Dave Jones: bucket brigade down the hall with the tape. Yeah,
exactly.
Adam Curry: So the last board meeting we had, which was two
weeks ago, since I had a another oral procedure, which is less
fun. That
Dave Jones: was the grill the grill was
Adam Curry: you know, so this, again, the brochure is very
colorful.
Dave Jones: Everybody has smiles on their face. Yes.
Adam Curry: So this was part two, the first part was the
extraction. Now that was a five hour procedure. And this was
supposed to be about three. And this is to implant eight posts,
which now after
Dave Jones: we you sent me the picture of this diagram, and it
just makes your it just, it just makes your skin and
Adam Curry: makes your nuts extracted go up
Dave Jones: is horrible. I mean, like just the idea of screwing
titanium posts to your jaw bone is like,
Adam Curry: remember, this is freshly grown jaw bone. That's
that's
Dave Jones: not that's a horrible thing to say. It's not
I should not say no. Nobody should ever say freshly grown
bone.
Adam Curry: It's the technology is pretty outrageous. I mean,
it's all pretty high tech. And as part of this this procedure
be ahead and by the way I come in so it was a little different
this time last time he gave me like Xanax or something or some
valium derivative who? Well, yeah. And I was like, Okay, I
mean, look, man, I've been a stoner all my life. You think I
quit for a couple months, like and I'm like, it's like, my,
like, my resistance is gone? No. Like, it was a little little
woozy. So I'm not gonna do something new this time. Okay,
what are you doing? Well, you come in an hour early. And I'll
give you how doll house you held. Oh, no. House young house.
Yeah.
Dave Jones: What? No. No, how does the thing that makes you
like a zombie. He just woke her up.
Adam Curry: Yeah, similar to that. And within 20 minutes, I'm
loopy. Like
Dave Jones: never even thought that was a coffee company.
Adam Curry: It's a benzo I think. But he gave me the max
dosage. So I'm gonna Wow. And then yeah, and then the minute
I'm kind of going Lupino teenagers there says a prayer.
Bless her heart. Yeah. And she leaves you're like, Okay, I'm
gonna go feed the dog. And then all this action, you know, the
IV goes in through and that's the, again the fentanyl IV and
four hours, man, it was long. But what he did is a part of
this. And he kind of showed me this while I was drowsy. He said
I'm gonna raise up your sinuses, like three millimeters like
what? So they have this, again, new technology. It's guys really
into it. And they raise my sinuses up three centimeters.
And I'm telling you, you know, once they cleared out that
infection near my sinuses, you I went from wearing hearing aids
to not wearing hearing aids.
Dave Jones: That's the most amazing thing to me that you can
do that you don't even need them anymore. So
Adam Curry: I went from 10 to six on the headphones. And now
I'm from six to five. And again, it's only in the right ear
though, but it's improved. as is for now.
Dave Jones: I saw an article the other day about oral infection
leads to this some new discovery they've made that can lead to
rheumatoid arthritis,
Adam Curry: all kinds of horrible things.
Dave Jones: I'm starting to think that the firt the first
time you have a chronic disease, you don't go to the doctor you
go to the dentist or
Adam Curry: the dentists and have a scan done and they can
see Get right there it's like a $200 scam you stand in this
thing turns around your head which is quite concerning
disconcerting
Dave Jones: is blue is blue and X rays through there
Adam Curry: definitely definitely is and and they can
see it right away okay if your infection and then you know
there's a number of things you can do but also your body is
always your body is continuously fighting infection it can slow
you down make you tired all kinds of stuff and I had this
for 10 years so anyway everything's good. So there was
some swelling but what was different now is up where you
know my my cheekbones and right by my nose and but now that only
lasted three days I missed one no agenda and got through. So we
did it on Wednesday. I took off that Thursday and did the Sunday
show and I got through okay, I got I got a little dizzy
somewhere on the second hour. Got a little dizzy for a second
hold up. Now and so today I have my post up and you know if all
has gone well then you know in a couple more months and then we
put in my my new teeth.
Dave Jones: It but that's easy, though. That's not a that's not
a procedure at
Adam Curry: this point. I don't think anything's easy. I'd Oh,
that's the easiest part. Okay, we'll see. I
Dave Jones: was just glue them to the post or something. I
mean, I'll find
Adam Curry: out today I was was wondering about that. I mean,
because you can't screw them
Dave Jones: in now because you can't make their SNAP is like a
click,
Adam Curry: you know, again, or maybe maybe you do put it I know
that just I'm sure there's some secret sauce that I'll find out.
Dave Jones: If they snap on you can swap them out with different
stuff like you could put I have
Adam Curry: requested this. I requested this technology just
so I could put it in a real grill or something, you know,
Dave Jones: yeah, gold. I mean, you know, swapping it but
anyway,
Adam Curry: so, Mitch, he's He's so good. Because he listened to
the shows too. He listened to no agenda. He listened to Korean
the keeper. He listened to the podcast and 2.0 is like a little
beyond me. But he says things funny to hear you guys. Yep. And
so he's very concerned about the soliciting. And you said Okay,
so right now your gums are still a little swollen. So when that
goes down, then this listing of starts so he's pre ordering all
these temporary bridges to make sure that you know, snap this
one in in case you know, the swishing starts again. So he
really cares about he cares about the show.
Dave Jones: So this will expand his his user but his user base
his customer base to be. He will be he will be the periodontist
to the podcast industry. Oh, well, I've
Adam Curry: already sent at least 10 people to him. And I
have other dentists and periodontists. Now saying
actually dentist more saying you know, when someone comes to me,
I'm just going to give them a scan just to see what else is
going on with them. Because it's oh yeah, this is not well
discussed.
Dave Jones: Know this, I think this is a burden. This is a
burgeoning area of research.
Adam Curry: So back to Steven bell. He so in this two week
period we talked about, I kind of pitched the idea of how I
would like to do music and podcasting where you know, when
I play a song, then the value block switches to the value
block of the song which presumably would be uploaded to
dystopia or wave lake or one of the other hosts and would be
submitted into the podcast index and would have its own splits
and he did it he implemented he put it into sovereign feeds and
so if you'd like to participate in this test and I would like
everyone to do that you don't have to do it now you can go
back because we want to do it in like just a minute from now.
Please try out curio caster and you can use curio caster on the
web on your phone. You don't have to install an app you can
connect your get Albie wallet to it's all very simple. And I
would like you to test it out. We're gonna play a song and when
this song plays now not in the live version, although of course
Stephen Bell says I'm working on that too. Of course he is so it
won't work if you're listening live right now. But and even if
you are listening live go back later and around 15 minutes
check out check out the song What should happen and feel free
to boost give a boost to Graham what should happen is 95% of all
of that of those streaming value for value payments will go to
the remote item which in this case would be the song the
remote song to the splits in in that value block. Did I make
that clear?
Dave Jones: I'd have no idea what you're talking about. So to
let you explain from explain from the beginning of what was
so if curious of curio caster I'm just trying to get my
bearings straight after I've tried to I've tried to not keep
up with a logo and most of what y'all are doing it's okay I can
come fresh. Okay, so So this secure Rio Castro obviously eats
these tags. Yes, correct. And so it is going to understand what
it's seeing when you play later when later someone plays back
this episode. And it is going to be in the feed, there's going to
be these new remote. That value time split tags correct. And so
the is what curio cast, to my understanding what curio caster
is going to be doing is gonna be looking for those timestamps to
start. And when that happens,
Adam Curry: yeah, when the player hits the timestamp, at
that point, anything that the player is sending in a payment,
whether it's a streaming per minute payment, or a booster
booster gram will now use a different value block, it'll use
the value block of that, of that, in this case, Song comm.
And it will actually just just to be super cool, it will
actually split that and give 95% to that value block, which will
then be split amongst its own parameters. I don't know how
many different splits are in there. And then 5% stays with
me, mainly because it's my show. And secondly, so I can also
track what the what people are sending, but I will only get 5%
and the end the 95% that would have gone to my splits. Now go
to the remote item.
Dave Jones: Okay, so this nut, I got you. So let me the value
time split tags, let me just jump over here.
Adam Curry: But just just to make a simple whenever I play a
song on one of my podcasts now that song, of course has to be
known to podcast index, which is easy to do. You know, you can
upload your album, whenever I play a song 95% of anything that
I would have normally received from people streaming or
boosting or booster grams will now go to the owner of the song
and however they have their song, their their payments split
up.
Dave Jones: And this is this is effectuated by a new, this new
value time split tag which goes into the value block.
Adam Curry: I don't know where it goes, I have no idea what it
does. But I'm a podcaster I don't know what it's doing.
Right. So I
Dave Jones: was doing okay, so there was this value time split
tag is a new child item of the podcast value. So it's sort of a
it's a sibling of value recipient. So it's in the value
tag. And then and then it has a start time parameter, an
attribute, a duration attribute and a remote percentage
attribute. Right. So that's set to so like it will say like at
start time, X number of seconds. Go get the remote, go get the
value block out of this other feed item this other feed
episode Yeah, suck it back in, begin using that for a duration
of 237 seconds. And then at the end of that duration period
flipped back to the standard valuable Correct. Killer Is that
cool or what? Sweet.
Adam Curry: So So again, I'd like everyone to make sure you
have curio caster, you probably got all that set. So when you
hear this in in post production, and the as a whole tool set
forward and sovereign feeds, so I don't have to do a lot of work
and I don't have to copy things manually. I just say okay.
Dave Jones: I'm sorry, but this is gonna break so the most. This
is the most interesting that we've ever done.
Adam Curry: I was thinking the same thing like this will not
work in any other podcasts that I'm gonna have be looking at.
I'm gonna be getting emails for weeks. Hey, man, dog catcher
broke on your show, whatever your
Dave Jones: dog catcher is gonna shut his pants.
Adam Curry: Alright, so I was thinking, Who can we possibly
play that has has the music meet. So it also medium equals
music. So the whole set it's official. You know, this
actually comes from wave Lake, who we had on the show just a
couple of weeks ago when we've talked like three weeks ago.
We're talking about this. And it's Joe Martin. So Joe Martin
already got into the fountain top 10 At some point because
people were just finding his music on fountain. So now yeah,
he's a pioneer. We want to you want to use him as as the
pioneer scissor scissor experiment. Now, he has a new
album out which is called Empty passenger seat. Now, now Joe is
kind of a country guy. And like a lot of country songs and even
the kind of the title suggests it is a lot of downer music.
Like yeah, I ran over my dog my girlfriend's gone. He literally
has a song and there were some guys begging for money. He's
like nah man I got no time for you I got no money for you I
gotta go into my office he goes to the office he gets fired you
know and then so oh yeah it's so anyway there's there's a couple
songs on the album which are not depressing. So I chose one and
so if all goes according to plan by at this point now the value
block will have already switched over and that means anything you
send in streaming payments or in booster booster gram will go to
Joe Martin This is high gravity the first running with scissors
and podcasting 2.0
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a shout at us.
Adam Curry: Joe Martin gravity high gravity keeps holding me
down here on podcasting 2.0 I love doing that for the first
time ever smash your champagne bottle please
Dave Jones: So if what yeah what's gonna happen is you're
gonna be getting you're gonna get a message a bunch of
messages tonight was there no show today
Adam Curry: didn't show up in my it doesn't show up in my
podcast. What happened?
Dave Jones: Yeah, or or the other alternative is that you're
everybody's gonna be fine up until the moment that the music
starts and then all the apps crash.
Adam Curry: Thank you very much, Steven B for putting that
together and I can't wait to see how it works out. I mean this we
all agree This is what this show was for running with scissors.
Dave Jones: This is this is our town records that we need
scissor insurance. Yeah, I agree with him. Yeah, we totally do.
What so what and Tim, tell me what you just did, though. So
you in so in sovereign feeds, when you started the song, did
you hit the sync button? Oh,
Adam Curry: no, no, I mean, that's. So Stephen B put
together a whole system that this is how you do it. And like,
that's not how I'm going to do it. Because there's no way I
mean, when I'm when I'm, when I'm getting ready, I'm getting
ready to start the song. And I want to, you know, and I'm ready
to start, I'm not gonna be hitting five buttons at the same
time. So it's a little extra work for me with not much in
post, when I have everything set up. There's a tab in sovereign
feeds on second. And this top tab is value time split. And
then I'll go in and I'll look for empty passenger seat. And
then below, it'll, you can do pre production or post
production. And below, it'll, it'll show the link to Episode
audio, which I'll have already up there. Just before I publish,
I've already uploaded the audio. And then there's a little player
and I'll go to you know, was it about 20 minutes or so. And then
the minute I hit that song, that's when I'll set a mark and
then and then that'll automatically, if all goes well
put the value time split at that spot, and then I'll go to the
end. And then I'll click another button. And that's how it you
know, it's almost like doing a chapter basically.
Dave Jones: Okay, so you, the way you would do that is you
would mark it in his Hindenburg. And then No, no, no, no,
Adam Curry: no, I there's a little player. I just hit the
player in sovereign feeds.
Dave Jones: Oh, you're just listening back. So you kind of
know where that Yeah. Okay, and I'm thinking of
Adam Curry: everyone was trying to make it real easy. And it
makes it real hard. Because I'm What about
Dave Jones: live though, when that happens, has that has
what's your workflow? I
Adam Curry: have no idea what Steven B is going to do for
that. Now, in that case, I can imagine I would have to hit that
and hit something else. Which will suck, but we'll figure it
out. Doesn't matter. I mean, so maybe if it's as simple as Okay,
here's the three songs I'm going to play in this episode, right?
And that little interface, and I start the song and all I have to
do I pre loaded the songs. I just hit a little button, and
then it's good to go. And that might work. We'll figure it out.
Yeah, let's get this. Let's let's break this part first. Oh,
it's already broken. It's already working break anything
else. I'd like to bring our guest in who has been patiently
waiting and listening to all this nonsense that we've been
spewing, but he is a guy who lives on the bleeding edge of
running with scissors himself. We love him. You know him from
the pod news weekly review. You know him from river radio. You
might know him from the army. You might know him from
Microsoft from Netscape. You know, maybe he's related to you.
I don't know. But he's the CEO, pod fans, ladies and gentlemen,
say hello to Sam says, hey, hey,
Dave Jones: wow. My third cousin. Yeah.
Unknown: We're all Indians. Were all related. Y'all
Adam Curry: Brahmins all of you. We are. That's it?
Unknown: That's it. Everything is a little gene
Dave Jones: oncology, that you I mean, yeah, you have a pod fans
is just one is basically just one huge pair of scissors,
right?
Unknown: Oh, completely. I just listened to your show. And then
I now have to go away and fix remote items. Thanks.
Adam Curry: Well, I will say, you know, I was listening to the
show last week, and all I heard was, Oh, that's too hard. I'm
not gonna do that. What curry What is he thinking about?
Unknown: Yeah, well, that's true. I mean, literally, I've
just listened to that. And I'm with Dave. I mean, really? How's
that going to be implemented? So over to Steven B. And then when
he's fixed it, I'll follow. Yeah, I think that's the best
way. Yeah.
Adam Curry: I mean, I also have no idea how he makes all this
work. And we're just gonna presume that it did work at
least Securio Kassar and we'll see how that went. But Sam, it's
so nice to have you on that. We have lots of talk about
particularly about pod fans. I do want everyone to know that.
Sam has a lot of depth. So Sam, and I didn't realize I just
sighs me I was shallow Indian dude. But when when I heard you
on mere mortals podcast was Kyron. To you got quite a life.
You've been around?
Unknown: Well, I mean, I'm the same age as you, Adam. And you
know, you know, we've had a life Haven't we both of us?
Adam Curry: Yeah. No, you started in the army, I believe.
Yeah, I
Unknown: straight out of school went into Sandhurst, which is
the Military Academy, I suppose the equivalent of West Point.
And yeah, I did that because I didn't really know what else to
do. I like just running. I was like the Forrest Gump of life
and I just ran around fields and jumping out of planes. That's
what I did.
Adam Curry: Did you do actual parachuting and stuff?
Dave Jones: we'd be able to talk about. So
Adam Curry: beyond the bullshit Sam edit, I heard as an edit
right there. What did he say? What did he say that got taken
out?
Unknown: He said, I can't call today do this. Yeah, they don't
not gonna do value for value at all. They will never do because
it destroys their current business is the innovators
dilemma, they currently have an advertising play. That's all
they're focused on, they will never support value for value
Adam Curry: in and that is, and that leads into my second clip,
which is not a question but just I just felt, actually I felt bad
for for Chris, because I know he's a technology guy. And I
kind of feel bad for us. Because when we when you ask about some
of the some of the basic tags that we've been that we've had
implemented for, you know, two years now, they really can't do
them. It's 40 seconds. So I'll just play this,
Dave Jones: I mentioned the transcript tag being difficult
to implement in RSS feeds. Another example is chapters
where we do support 83 V two chapters with dynamic audio. But
it would be impossible for us to implement that at the feed
level, because we don't have any idea at the time that the feed
is generated, where those timestamps are going to be.
Right. So I think that input can come later. From my perspective.
I don't know if that answers your question. But we're
excited. Like we are absolutely watching and aware of the work
that's going on, it's moving at a pace that I think is really
exciting. And I don't want to slow it.
Adam Curry: So I'm bummed out about that, you know, so because
here's advertising, screwing everything up. And it's
literally because of the dynamically inserted ads that
they and their system, I guess, that they can't do this is a
bummer.
Unknown: Well, I mean, they should talk to Buzzsprout.
Really, because Buzzsprout have managed to do dynamic ad
insertion and also get chapter Yeah, working? Yeah. It's
technically possible. They just aren't doing it. And I don't
know why they're not doing well.
Dave Jones: I think I understand why, as I think I understand why
it's because the most of Buzzsprout did it in house.
Yeah, they did it in house they had they get to design it the
way they exactly the way that it needed to be in order for
everything to work correctly. All their all their dynamic ad
insertion happens on their own system. And then but most of
these other hosting companies that are doing Dai, they
outsource that to a third party. So they just send the audio to
the third party has the DI put in in in their site, and then
they and then they get it back.
Unknown: So I mean, a cos big enough to do it in house say,
Dave Jones: Oh, they're totally they're totally and but here's
here's where the here's where the rubber meets the road,
though I think it's not, it's not that they can't work with or
third party is that I think the DI the cost of di the margin is
so thin on it. They don't want they want to spend as little
time as they want this thing built and done so that they
don't ever have to see it again. The more time they spend
tweaking this and making it work better. They lose money.
Adam Curry: Yeah, I agree. And also, I learned on that same
episode of which was this week's episode of pod news weekly
review. I learned YouTube podcast is a flop Well, duh. But
I also learned that programmatic ads are basically inferior to
host read ads, and there's no money is sucks. There's no
margin and everyone's moving away from it
Unknown: completely. Look, we all three and everyone else
who's listening know that this is just a time sink between
programmatic ads and advertising just being removed. I often say,
you know, if you had Dark Side of the Moon, you wouldn't
suddenly have an ad halfway through Pink Floyd.
Adam Curry: It would be very funny. To go more flipping out
over that. Yeah, exactly. And while you're a fan of the I'm
sorry, Dave, go ahead.
Dave Jones: No, I was just gonna say that. I think the way that
you phrase that is right. I think this is like a, we're in a
strange Limbo zone. I think what ultimately happens is Alvin
Brooks sent me an email this this week, and he said, Hey, I
just wanted to draw your attention to this boost we got.
And so I went and listened to that clip on the bus cast. And
it was this podcaster had written into them and said,
Unknown: hey, you know, amazing, wasn't it? Yeah, yeah. She said,
Dave Jones: I just wish my biggest regret is I wish I had
done subscriptions earlier, so that I could start getting
money, value for value thing going earlier with my audience
so that I was not so dependent on advertising. And I think that
that's that's really what ultimately this comes down to is
where we're going. This is an interim period, where
advertising still sort of, you know, still pays the bills for
the top one. percent or less of podcasting, but ultimately these
smaller niche markets, niche market podcasts, they're just
going to, I mean, like this one, this is as bad as niche as you
could possibly get this is, this is three levels of niche. And
you have those people starting out those types of podcasts, I
think from they're just going to go to a value for value or
subscription or some direct to audience support from day one. I
mean, I just I think, I think the whole the term podcast
industrial complex is so accurate on so many levels.
Because it it really is there's this entire thing out there that
is working on advertising. And then there's the other 98% of
podcasting. That's just not applicable,
Adam Curry: did you? Since you brought it up, we put the the
adjustment to value for VAT, the value block width equals auto
for for the periodic payments. Have we put that in yet?
Dave Jones: Yep. So I made three I made three tweaks to the to
the to V Spec this past week, two weeks of lost track of time
says we missed a show. Yeah. Yeah. So there's now an auto. So
yes, Stream Boost in auto. And I want to clarify on the auto says
this, this is applicable to pod fans, all this stuff is going to
clarify on the auto, you know, so take a take an app like pod
fans, it's well, it's it's a progressive, it's a progressive
web app rights and yep, correct. Okay, yeah. So so you're gonna
have it's essentially a web experience. So you're not going
to have a bag of background process that's able to run,
perhaps you will, if you have a service worker on and it's
installed as a PWA on a mobile device, but that's going to be
heavily restricted by though s it regardless. So your take your
baseline level of something, just you're going to the website
to, to play with POD fans, if you set up an auto, so this,
this is in the payment, if you say okay, I want to support.
Essentially, this is a subscription. I want to support
pod news weekly review with 20,000 20,000 SATs a month. And
so the app at that point says okay, every, whatever day of the
month, fifth day for the 15th of each month, I'm going to send
20,000 SAS to pod news weekly review. Well, that in an ideal
environment, that would be sent automatically in the background
for an app like pod fans, or POF, as you know, actually may
not be the best exam because y'all do have a back end. So
take something that doesn't have a back end. That's just purely
like cast thematic, that's a better example. Cast thematic
cosmetic has no back end, every installed app is its own island.
So in that regard, Casta medics not going to be able to sort of
reliably wake up in send a payment, it might be able to,
but you can't depend on it. So really, the spec is it's auto,
but it allows flexibility for to basically just say, hey, app, do
the best you can to send this payment on this time. So you
know, if if it ends up that you can't send it until just the
next time the app is open, that's fine. Just do the math
and send it but you just want to send it as often as you can. So
I wanted to make sure that people understood that that auto
payment is not, it's not some sort of some sort of required
thing where you have to send it at any exact point in time. It's
more like the streaming spec.
Adam Curry: Yeah, so it's like everything we do, it might might
not work.
Dave Jones: It might. It's, it's maybe not that squishy. But it's
more like, you know how with the streaming thing, if you get in
the elevator and you lose connection, the app will just
stack the payments up, right? And the next time that it gets a
connection, that's that's this sort of thing. Does that make
sense?
Adam Curry: Yeah. And so thank you. Has everyone implemented it
yet?
Unknown: Can I can I change that slightly we have. So we've done
it slightly differently. So you know, I've sent you emails in
the background, and we value every show in every episode,
with a default 100 SATs per minute streaming until the host
claims it when they claim it they can change that value, but
let's assume they haven't claimed it so we create virtual
wallets. Now we've created the ability that when you become a
fan important, which is just basically subscribe, you in your
settings have an option you can instead of a budget of, I'm
going to only spend 100,000 SATs this month. That's all I want to
spend on my listening. But you can flick a switch between
streaming and supported. And when you click it to support it
any time any show that you've become a fan of the drops in new
episode, we will automatically pay the value of that full
episode to the host.
Adam Curry: I love this stuff. I think that you know, all of that
is good. But you're you're doing a whole you're got you've gone
way beyond what anyone's ever maybe should backup and explain
what you're doing. Because you have a totally different model
using the same elements.
Unknown: Yeah, so we've taken what you guys have given us,
which has value for value. And we've said, Look, we fully
support that. So we've got three levels. So we said, look, every
show that we ingest into our curated database has to have a
default value. And that default value is 100 minutes set by me.
And I can change that if I want you and Dave could claim
podcasting index to Dotto, and you could go in and you can set
your own value for whatever you want. That's great. And you set
it to 201,010 sets per minute, whatever you want to do. The
user at the end still has that final say so they can go in and
they can say I love what Adam and Dave have set as a value.
But I'm going to change that to higher or lower or zero even
they can say I don't want to pay you anything. So you've got that
full flexibility. But as I said, with supported, it's the ability
for the user to go into their own profile and say, Look, I
want to actually pay whatever David Adams set as the value and
the way we work out that value. Is it 100 SATs per minute times
the time now with this live show that we're looking we're
currently on now. You Adam have set the time for two hours.
Yeah, we know that in the lit tag, it's two hours, times 100
sites per minute. So I'm literally looking at pod vana as
I'm playing it in the background and streaming it. And I'm seeing
the value dropping as I listened in live, because I'm I'm
consuming right so I've consumed 39 minutes so far. And I'm
literally going through it. Now if I set that to support it,
what would happen would be it would say Adams set that for two
hours times the time, right? Pay that full 12,000 SATs straight
out the bat, I wouldn't even have to worry about it. And then
the value that I'm got in front of me on my dashboard is set to
zero as a user, because I've already paid that shows. Oh,
okay, interesting. So, and then when I replay it, I don't pay
again, is set to zero. So I've I've consumed the value by
saying yeah, Adam, Dave, I love you. And if I didn't even listen
to the show, I've paid for it. But if I do then want to go back
and listen to it. Guess what? I've already paid or just
listened for zero.
Dave Jones: Okay, so that's yeah, that is a different take.
So you instead of saying I'm gonna support, that's an EP,
that's like a call. That's like an Yeah, and like an output
based based payment where you're saying, I'm going to support
you. But I'm only going to support you when you give me
content. Like yeah, when you evaluate Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm
not gonna say I'm not just gonna send you payments, regardless of
the time of what you put out, or if you go on hiatus for six
months, I've got to go remember to unsubscribe, I can just, I'm
just gonna say okay, every time I listen to you guys, um, you
know, I'm willing to give you 20 bucks or 10 bucks. You can say,
Okay, well, what is that in SATs? Well, then I'm just going
to put that every time an episode drops, boom, you get it?
Yeah, that's an interesting idea. I like that. Yeah.
Adam Curry: So. So where are you at now? Exactly. With pod fans,
because you've you've announced pod fans a lot of times. Yep.
And I tried to claim Well, I had I tried to log in and something
went wrong. You said no, no, we're resetting that. So just
tell me where you're at, because I kind of want to play around
with it.
Unknown: So what we've we did this week was we've put a
complete onboarding gamification help system. So we realize that
what we've developed is something quite complex to the
average user. So you land on it, and it's like, shit, where do I
go? How do I get to whatever I want to do? So what we've done
is because we've got a gamification in the system
anyway, every screen you land on, so you, like login, claim
your wallet. Guess what? You've earned a couple of 1000 SATs now
do these three tasks, you answer more on every page you go to.
It's there simply to teach you what's on that page and how to
use it while earning SATs. So I was hoping today to catch you
before the show and actually get you both to claim your show. And
then you would have seen it for yourself.
Adam Curry: We're way, way too busy. Yeah. We have much bigger
meetings going on.
Unknown: But to answer your question that and directly Yeah,
we are ready as of Monday to go live. We are fully baked. So we
added ice to coffee to cool future features this week that
you might love. One is CO listening. And this is, again
with live is going to be brilliant. So what happens is, I
might if when Adam and Dave join, I might look at Adams
profile, it says he's listening to the podcast in Tudor Osho. I
click on a button right next to what it says he's listened to.
And I jumped to exactly the same time.
Adam Curry: Yeah, party listening. Sure.
Unknown: And then on the episode page, it then shows my avatar
appear next to your avatar. So you then suddenly see that I've
just joined with you. And we're listening at the same point. And
then we could start boosting together we start commenting, we
have a threaded conversation, whatever we want to do. I think
that's illegal in
Adam Curry: America boosting, I think
Dave Jones: only in Utah, some
Unknown: laws against that. So that was one of the things we
added this week. And then the other one was on the homepage.
We've now we had default carousel. So in your mind, if
you think of Netflix and these carousels of podcasts or films
Netflix case, they were all static in the sense that we
would only we would pre program what you were looking at in a
carousel so it might be recently added new. Then the five top
Apple categories like comedy, thriller, whatever. So now in
your settings, you can go and choose any category you like.
And then the homepage just converts to that category for
whatever you wanted to look at.
Adam Curry: And what is the URL Sam for everybody?
Unknown: Pod fans.fm
Adam Curry: Die expensive. swanky. We can't We can't afford
the dot FM's man, those things are expensive. What a racket
that guy's got going on. Some dude who's in the radio
business, he was really smart. And it's like, it's really it's
literally like a couple 100 bucks a year, I think, isn't it?
Dave Jones: That much. It's like 100
Unknown: bucks. And you remember when we had a long conversation
last year
Adam Curry: about doing this? Yeah, about doing this
Unknown: dot pod fat podcast,
Adam Curry: where we talked about about doing that. And then
it turns out, you know, you got to have several million dollars
to show that you're serious. And you got to be up to set all this
stuff up like and Exactly. And you know, do we really want to
make that our business? Success? It sounds boring.
Dave Jones: So the let me throw this. I'm trying to find stuff
that you have not because you're you're basically you're the
you're this, you're the Steven B of A pod fans, because you're as
soon as we
Adam Curry: wait, wait, wait, listen to this. Dave, stop. What
I'm looking at the homepage. were quoted on this thing.
Unknown: Yeah, you Oh, good. Well, I've
Adam Curry: heard Dave Jones the pod sage podcast index ready.
Want to hear what you said. Now I want to I don't remember what
I said. I was blown away when I away. I was blown away when I
saw the pod fans for the pod fans for the first time. It
literally had every feature we've been working on for two
years wrapped up into a beautiful, beautifully done UI.
I can't wait to see it hit the market. Nice to say that. All
right. Let me see what I said. Adam curry the pod father
podcast index, pod fans brings together the most exciting
elements of podcasting 2.0 and gamifies. The V four v Community
System, I could not have wished for a better experience for this
next generation of podcast experiences.
Dave Jones: We sound good I want you to do
Adam Curry: really good on this. All right.
Dave Jones: It's like I have a copy editors.
Unknown: Can I say it didn't go through chat GBT that was
Adam Curry: but oh man. Did you guys hear? Do you hear new media
show that on Wednesday? Or Thursday?
Unknown: I haven't had that doing an AI test out like
Adam Curry: I just want to. So Todd, I love Todd Cochran for
this. He's like, somehow we I'm gonna get chat GPT two word for
podcasting come hell or high water. And he's literally like,
now if we could just have a thing that sets a marker so that
the chat GPT will know that that's where you summarize a
chapter I'm like, taught it's supposed to be artificial
intelligence that you shouldn't have to be setting chapter
markers and little blips in the thing or or being Hindenburg or
road caster so that Chad GPT knows it should know how to do
that. It can't because it's bullshit. Chad, Dred Scott, you
know, he's our intelligence guy was
Dave Jones: not a knowledge model.
Adam Curry: Exactly. He you know, we have a human being
doing this with great pleasure. We pay him 5% of all he has a
split for five bucks. I have all my podcasts. And that's a
beautiful system. People are trying to shoehorn Chad GPT into
everything and it's so inappropriate.
Dave Jones: And just wait for the whole thing and wait for
this whole large language model thing to just fall apart and go
away even saying
Adam Curry: large language model.
Dave Jones: That's all because that's all it is. That's what it
is Google barf. That's all it is. It's just it's just a
language model it like it doesn't people are trying to use
it for for things that is it only understands. I hate even
using the term understands. I say, thank you. It's only
capable of manipulating language. That's what it's
created for it. We I think I don't blame people because we as
humans want to anthropomorphize everything. I just did it. I
just said understand. Yeah, yeah, we can. That's the way
we'll Yeah, that's the way we function that's like our basic,
some of our most basic wiring is to do that. Yeah. And but that
it's, if you step back for a second, this is, this is a
language manipulation system. That's what it does it, it
parses language, and it puts out and it outputs language.
Anything else that you attribute to this thing? is not possible.
Anything that you can't express clearly with language isn't
possible. And so much of this is like, where where you're going
to insert something? I don't know. I mean, you just you just
go do I mean, where you're gonna have to go put the, you're gonna
have to go put the marker back in for, for when the music
starts? Well, we've already admitted me and Alex already
tried to AI a bunch of music out of the index. And the success
rate was low, low. It was totally 5050. So and that's not
language, chat. GPT is not going to do it. Just the whole thing.
And the other thing is annoying. So I
Adam Curry: didn't mean i Yes, I didn't mean to spin you up. I'm
sorry, Sam, what is the claim? You're off? I want to claim it.
Unknown: So interesting conversation.
Adam Curry: Can I revise my quote,
Unknown: works today. So you go in the claim, you click it, and
it will look at your email in the RSS, and it will then do a
conversation with you based on email. So verifying your email.
And of course, we now know, of course, we podcast TX, T,
everyone's taking out their emails for Tom Rossi. And I've
been working on an O auth. solution. We tested it last
week. So the idea is that you click a claim. So in the podcast
RSS we're proposing, I think you may have seen this in the
GitHub, that there's a whether it's going to be called podcast,
verify or authorize or something no one knows right now, but
there'll be a tag. But fundamentally Buzzsprout, or the
RSS provider will put a URL which has an authentication URL.
So when you click Claim in pod fans, it will automatically go
to that URL on Buzzsprout. For example, if you're not logged
in, you log in, but if you are logged in, it'll go to that. And
then there'll be a token that comes back to us go and get that
is exactly who that person was, but perhaps verified it. And we
then give you a verified from a claim situation. And then you
get access to the backend admin for your podcast, to go and
change the length staff go and change any of the RSS fields,
whatever you want to do. So we're trying to make it like an
O auth. Light, we tested it, it's it's working, as a couple
of people who've come back with a really good, added a couple of
security issues. So Tom and I are working on that next week,
fingers crossed, if that all goes through, we'll implement it
just like we did pod roll pretty quickly, then anyone else can
rip it apart, or we'll change it. And so yeah, running with
scissors, basically. But we'll try very quickly to get
something working and see what comes back. And then if people
want to change it, update it, we'll change it as the community
asks us to do.
Dave Jones: Okay, so that is that have been submitted to and
don't think I've seen that in the discussions.
Unknown: Yeah, now it's in there. So Tom submitted the idea
originally. And then Tom and I jumped on a call. We worked
through the back and forth with it. And then my developer is now
going to send the token over. So yeah, there's a couple of minor
things we're still doing. But next week,
Adam Curry: so can I claim on my podcast?
Unknown: Yeah, you can now because if you are, if your
email still in your RSS, I could look but you know, if you're
still in there, you can do this. Yeah. And then I'll go into this
like
Dave Jones: fans.fm/scissor So
Adam Curry: my, my, my email address has already been taken.
Dave Jones: Well, is that oh, that's because you've been in
there before? Right? Yeah, we had temporary accounts. Yeah,
but
Unknown: you can now put Forgot My Password and we'll we'll fix
that. Okay.
Adam Curry: I don't want to say what it's doing. User not found,
or I'm not found. I'm lost. Don't worry about it, Sam. Don't
worry about it. We'll do it. We'll do it live. Hey, I see
that you have But I think I know the answers. But you I see you
have zaps here as well. So you this is a noster thing that
you've put here. How does that work?
Unknown: So, initially, we basically said that zap is a
like we said, it's like 10 SATs. It's just a very simple,
lightweight example. We have booths, we have zaps. Let's just
support it. And now what we've done with OB we all be enabled
the N pub automatically within the OB API. So now when
everyone's profile, we're pulling your M Pub across. And
so next step for us is then we can send the ZAP stays within
the system currently now so if I like your show, or zap your
show, you will get 10s 10 sets. That's just a very lightweight
boost without a comment as how I see it. But is
Dave Jones: that does that go back out? To the to the nostril?
Rila? Is that a nostril? Is that just internal?
Unknown: That's internal only now
Adam Curry: adheres to the value block?
Dave Jones: Yes.
Adam Curry: Slide definitely you so I'd say our, our podcast,
Dave is worth 12,000 SATs.
Dave Jones: The US for this?
Adam Curry: That's a to two pounds 80.
Dave Jones: That's disappointing. Well, we're worth
at least a fiver I thought
Adam Curry: I thought we were five quid will be proper weight
for us. Wow.
Dave Jones: So this, this may, I don't know if you saw this, Sam
is did this other addition to the to V, which is the signature
field. Now it didn't say that. Okay, so the signature field in
this may help you with your noster stuff is if you have a
seat, so they're inside the TLV record, when the with each
payment is a sender underscore ID field. And that thing has
always just been whatever you it's freeform text, it doesn't,
it doesn't adhere to anything, it can just be made up. I mean,
people can pretend to be other people. I mean, there's it's
just a handle. And so the various apps use that in their
own ways. So like you with fountain. Oscar uses the you
know, his internal user ID for that field. And you know,
everybody uses their own thing. Well, I added this aggregate
added a signature field to the to the record, which will, which
will give you some way to do a verification on the sender ID.
So in your in, in your system, you could in that Sender ID
field, you could include nostre in pub. And then the signature
field would be a SIG would be the signature of the TLV signed
with the private key with the nostril private key. So I use
your verification.
Unknown: Because that's the challenge. We haven't looked at
it. But we were looking at the fact that how do you make a
right to a Nasri Lake without the private key. But if you've
got a signature where we can hold that, or it can be a
dynamically inserted and that that fix.
Adam Curry: This is really this is really built like it's
beautiful, 2.0 Playground kind of the way I see it. I'm seeing
a lot of cool things for what I can see without logging in. I
like the iPad, like the little it shows me plays, how many
booths how many clips have been made? It really got me Did you
just implement every single tag?
Unknown: We have? Yeah, as much as we could.
Adam Curry: This is so cool. The end, you got the trailer, which
we don't have pod roll, which you don't have yet
Unknown: negative sites as well. So if you look at the trailer,
Adam, it'll say you earn from listening to a trailer, we
believe that your time and attention adds value. And so you
should be paid to listen to a trailer rather than
Adam Curry: power. How are you going to make money off of this?
Are you getting a percentage of every every stream? Is that how
it works? Yeah,
Unknown: yeah, we say we take a 10% fee. And then we are then
one cents going back to the podcast in depth. Thank you. And
then there are other one percents going to other hosting
companies that we've done deal to it. Yeah.
Adam Curry: Oh, you've done deals with hosting companies do
tell.
Unknown: So the the goal for us is that, let's say rss.com,
which supports the value for value tag, okay? They've got
customers already. Now, they might recommend pod vans as an
app within their CO marketing. And if a customer then joins
from rss.com We can track it. And we can then give them a 1%
split of any of the value that that customer has generated.
Adam Curry: Oh man, I love you for that, Sam that is that makes
so much sense. This is exactly how I think Dave and I always
envisioned the ecosystem. You know, for everybody, everybody
participate paid in the value sounds like so much sense. I
like it. I like your logo to thank. Yeah, logos are hard.
Dave Jones: Yeah.
Unknown: You'll see, again, things that are in the pipeline.
So we already have, we already have music within the platform.
We already have video support within the platform. And I've
just done a deal with Penguin Books to add books to the plot.
Adam Curry: You crazy fucker. You Nice. Yeah. So, so coming.
Dave Jones: Videos. Great to hear your videos. Great to hear
because I know Alex is back working on the peer tube support
for RSS. Actually, we
Adam Curry: got a we got a question here. We got a couple
of pre boosts before the show for you, Sam Martin Linda's kg
with a row a duck, Sam. So I think it'd be possible to add
video material to pod fans in the future. And what is your
take on peer tube?
Unknown: So peer tube is great. I don't have an issue with it.
But I don't really I'm not. I'm agnostic to that. What I'm more
concerned with is does it support the alternative
enclosure tag? And if it does, then whatever you tell me within
the end alternative enclosure tag is what I will do. Better it
goes back.
Adam Curry: And dovie das 23,000 SATs. Sam, how much longer will
I have to be on the pod fans waitlist I want to boost?
Unknown: I guess look, I'll say this very clearly. Oscar is
brilliant. You know, the guys who are building stuff out there
are brilliant the guys at cura Casa Steven, you know, everyone
who's doing stuff, I could go half baked. And that's what we
could have done. But David and Adam, if you're looking at it,
now you'll see that we've got the help screens coming up,
which is gamified. And the reason we're doing that is
because again, we just want to make sure that the experience
when you go in is first class when you come to do what we're
doing. So I'd rather wait a few more weeks and get it right then
have 50 people tell me that, you know, that doesn't work. This
doesn't work and
Dave Jones: build some screens and documentation is that though
it's just it's just it's so necessary, but it is so mind
numbing and hard work. It's just tedious work.
Adam Curry: Is this? Just all you Sam Southie? Or do you have
the Indian finance cabal behind you? Which I've taken money from
the Indian finance Cabal? I love them. They're very honest with
you. Very, very, like brutally honest.
Unknown: But we still stuff saying Uncle G at the beginning.
We're all related. But yeah, no, I haven't. I haven't. I've been
very lucky. I've got a small amount of funding that we got
given on a licensing deal to somebody's licensing my platform
for a music version of pod vans, Pure Music version. You might
know them. Adam, Davao Canfield,
Adam Curry: the DJ? Oh, yeah, of course. Of course. Yeah. So
Unknown: he's licensed the platform from us to go and
create a version for pure house.
Adam Curry: Oh, fantastic. What a great idea. Yeah. It makes
sense. Because the whole thing It feels kind of like a mixer.
Yeah, it was like, this is all this stuff that you can do. And
there's knobs and buttons and numbers that change. It just
feels fun.
Unknown: Yeah. So we haven't we are in the middle of a funding
round ourselves. And that funding round is really, I think
I've said it before in the past is more to do with marketing,
the cost of building the platform, me and my developer
are basically not taking any money. We're very happy not
taking any money. And we just work every day on this.
Literally every day we spend. And it's been nine months of you
know, pleasure and pain. But you know, it we've got here where we
are?
Adam Curry: Well, as as, as I always say to any of our
developers, if there's any way I can assist in helping you
fundraise, I'm happy to talk to any investors. You know, I would
like to think that some of my chats I had with people helped
Oscar and some other people. I did that with the with some
people from I think breeze, I mean, whatever it's like, it's
great if Uncle G needs to talk to somebody, like the guy that
has the quote at the bottom of your page here. Happy to talk to
him about it. Thank you,
Dave Jones: you can let me ask you this, Sam, because I know
fountain did this. And I think there's some other outfits that
just recently did this. That I can't remember but it seems like
it's kind of becoming a big thing too. Just to not
necessarily go to a VC for seed money substance to do do like oh
yeah, subsidy to do like a crowdsourcing. investment round
where you know, everybody, where you basically just opening you
know, you open the door to small to small investors who ever
wants to go in would y'all ever do something like that?
Unknown: I'd love to. I just, you know, again, it's how many
spinning plates can I hold together really? And to organize
that, you know, There's a whole bunch of services in the UK, for
example, that do that, like Crowdcube, that you could go to
and do that. Or I could go to the podcast community and try
and do that. But right now, our burn rates so little, and
Dave Jones: we bless you, bless you.
Unknown: I literally have got enough money for two and a half
years in the bank right now. So I really don't want to go out
and do the begging bowl. Yeah, right now, there will be a time
when I need to go back into the pool. And the reason we're doing
it now is we're in a great position, we're not requiring
money, the worst time to go and find money is when you need
money, because then they actually,
Adam Curry: as the rules of business, it's one don't run out
of money, too, don't negotiate against yourself, three, when
you don't want to do it, raise the price. That's all I need to
know. That's your business rules right there.
Unknown: So we're just going out and playing, you know,
Cinderella, we're just going to fight go and see you know, how
many people we want to talk to in that market, and see what
they value us and see what they think of us. And it's fun. It's
fun to do,
Dave Jones: I think listening to you is helpful to a lot of
developers, because a lot of many developers do because you
understand you understand development and you but you've
also been in just in the business, in business business
for you know, for many years. So I think just just listening to
the way that you're laying things out is probably helpful
for a lot for a lot of small developers who just don't
understand the landscape. They don't know how to do this kind
of stuff. They don't know how to go out and try to find investors
if they need some money. I think this is all very helpful just to
hear you kind of rundown the way you're the way that you're going
through the process. You don't we don't get that very much.
Unknown: One of the first questions is I often get because
I help other startups. Now, how do I value myself? You know,
what's the valuation on this business, and half the times,
the first crazy value that you put out the market is is a
finger in the air. But the first investor who sort of agrees with
your mind valuation sets the bar. And once that bar set, then
every other investor has to come in at that bar level. And then
just simply go right now I've added more value and it you
know, going back to what you and Adam have developed its value
for value, I've created value. That's what I'm setting it out.
Do you agree with me? Yes or no? Let's negotiate. Now I've added
more value. Let's go to the next level. And you just keep
negotiating up until you've got you know, if you don't agree
with the value that someone offers you just walk away, just
walk away from them.
Adam Curry: Well, since you are also in the news business, maybe
we can talk about a couple things that we are you laughing
at that? You are you in the news business? There? Well, actually,
first, here's a question for you. Have you seen the MK Ultra
chat that David's been working on that we tested out I think
last week or two weeks ago? That is like Nastar chat. Dave, do we
have a room for this? For this episode? Or? Yes? Run? Oh,
Dave Jones: it's running right now.
Unknown: It is all the chat room because me and Dave have spoken
in the background. Dave? You sent me the link to it. Is that
the Gnostic link? Is that the chat room? I
Dave Jones: think so. Yeah. Yeah, that's it. That's what
we're talking. Yeah, that's what I think that's what I sent you.
Unknown: Yeah, you did you get
Adam Curry: something that would fit within my guess if it fits
running? What would that fit within the
Unknown: completely? Okay.
Adam Curry: That's right. Where's this thing? I don't see
this link, Dave.
Dave Jones: So that was I put it on up. I guess an index does
social before. Let me 30 minutes before we started.
Adam Curry: Oh, okay. It's earlier kind of kind of. Yeah.
Unknown: So going back to what we said about five minutes ago,
getting the M Pub automatically from the LP API was critical.
Because before that, we had to rely on the user to copy and
paste their M Pub across. And that was never going to happen.
So once we've got it automatically, we can then
again, and I'll look at this signature thing data that you've
put together. But it allows us to do not only share, but also
chat, and anything else we want to put to relate. But we haven't
got there yet.
Dave Jones: Let me let me throw the last piece of that button.
And by the way, that that signature that it gives in the
in the documentation, it gives an example of how to do it with
noster. But it's agnostic to whatever the user identification
system is. So you could it can be nostru, or it can be other
stuff. It doesn't it doesn't matter. It's flexible. So then,
but the last thing that I added this last couple of weeks is
reply fields. So there's three fields. There's reply
underscore, address, reply underscore custom key and reply
underscore custom value. So you can you can now put those into
the payment when you send it and then this is optional, of
course, like everything else and then that way when you receive
the boost, I can boost you back. So it can be a two way street
now. So we finally hit we finally have a way to do boost
backs that are across platform. Cool.
Unknown: That's cool. Now that's very cool, because in inside of
pop bands, we have a threaded conversation with boosts, but we
don't have an external.
Adam Curry: Is that going to be in helipad? Dave? You're going
to update?
Dave Jones: Yes, yes, it will be it will be in helipad. So if I
if I send you a boost from, yeah, what would be great is if,
if, if you boost somebody boosts me from pod fans, you know, then
I can receive that boost back in my Alby or whatever, you know
what, wherever it came from, I can get that back. Yeah.
Adam Curry: Nice. Cool. had a chat with the CEO of start nine
this week. Matt, and Matt Hill, Matt Hall, Matt Hill, Matt. And
those guys, they're serious to know that they basically are
building Umbral, the way it should have been built. If that
makes any sense. They're building they built an OS, not
just Docker containers that communicate together. And holy
crap, that thing looks good. They really want to make it so
that jeans jeans mom rest, her soul would be able to set it up.
Dave Jones: Start nine sovereign computing is what this says.
Yeah.
Adam Curry: So they, you can build one yourself, but they're,
they think they're gonna they even have a purism version. You
know, so complete sovereign hardware. They don't have as
many apps but that's because they, you know, they have it's
an OS, they really integrate these things tightly. Then he
said, he's gonna send me a unit to test. Man, it looks so cool.
And he was like, Hey, how do we, how do we get pod ping on here?
How do we get? Can we get pieces of the index on here? How do we
get Pelle pad on here? How do we get IPFS podcasting on here? I'm
I don't know. Send me one. Let's see what we can to
Dave Jones: tell him to send me one. I'll put it on there. I'm a
shameless whore. I just want free stuff. Yeah, okay.
Adam Curry: I will. I had to do a whole hour call with a man you
don't just get the get the stuff for free. You got to do a call.
Dave Jones: You do our call. And I get that that's the way this
works.
Adam Curry: The other thing we probably talked about briefly,
Sam, have you gotten on blue sky yet?
Unknown: No. And until I want to know, until I can.
Adam Curry: Well, John Spurlock is creaming over this thing. I
mean, he can't stop boosting about it. Like all blue sky. Oh,
blue skies, so great. And and I have to say this an exodus from
Mastodon mainly. But we call this journalist because they
have quote, tweet, oh, I can quote tweet now I matter. And
but what? What's lost in all of the noise is, is kind of noster
done professional. I mean, David, you looked at it, right?
Dave Jones: Yeah, it's no, the protocol is solid. I mean, it's,
it's, it's it's beautiful. The protocol for feta. I've got
this, I got this idea that hit me over the last couple of
weeks. It seems like, and I don't know if this is already a
thing, that by the time a thing is perfected. That's about the
time that it's already hit. It's the apex, and it's on the wane.
So this is what this feels like. It feels like we've we reached
peak social media two years ago. And now blue sky has come in and
made a beautiful protocol that actually absolutely does
Federation correctly. Yeah. And, and nobody's gonna use it. And I
don't think it will be, I don't think anybody's going to run a
server.
Unknown: Exciting. So how you can say it's federated, but the
whole thing is not federated. So
Adam Curry: why not? Yeah. It's supposed to be right.
Dave Jones: It feels like as hard as it is. And as, as
expensive as it is to run a nostre relay, which is not
cheap. The blue sky is gonna be even worse. I don't see people
running relays for that, or servers or No,
Adam Curry: I mean, I see organizations running this. I
can see the New York Times running, you know, their, their
own server for their journalists. It really felt like
a journalist thing. In fact, you and I were talking about this,
like, have we hit peak social media? Yeah, everyone just sick
of this crap at this point?
Unknown: Pretty much, I think. I mean, I hardly do it now.
Because I mean, it's a broadcast medium. There's no social. That
is a one way communication. 90% Yeah.
Dave Jones: Yeah, I think it's totally peak. Peak social media.
Like my first response to Blue Sky was I mean, because I don't,
I've already got seriously I've got I've got texting, Telegram
teams, podcast into you know, Mastodon emails to check. We
Adam Curry: should probably tell everybody what we did. We made a
pact
Dave Jones: Oh yes we got a man will be here Monday
Adam Curry: minus coming tracking one minus is that the
ninth is that Monday eighth we we bought light phones together
when
Dave Jones: we did when we finally got it to accept a
credit card is not you know doesn't make you feel good about
your purchase? No,
Adam Curry: I think we might have ordered eight I'm not sure
just because it wasn't going through try it again. Try it
again. Try it again.
Dave Jones: It also but it Do you know the light phone? Sam?
No, no, no ideally, it's the light phone.com It's like an E
Ink screen telephone with like hardly anything. There's no
social media is basically just texting what
Adam Curry: has a text with a QWERTY keyboard on the on the E
Ink screen you can call we have a calendar, you have an alarm
and you have podcast client, which is cool. And directions
that says directions I don't know exactly what that means but
has directions and that's it. Note no images. You can do group
tags but you won't get images and as a hotspot which of course
means you're going to have a another device if you need to do
something else. I'm kind of excited about it.
Dave Jones: Me too. My My plan is to the iPhone is going to
live on the bedside table and never move. Well, I'll use it
for a toilet scroller and
Adam Curry: a toilet scroller. Yeah, nice show title. scroller.
Nice.
Dave Jones: Yeah. I'll use it for a toilet scroller and like
I'm getting alerts from you know from the day job when the
server's
Unknown: Dave you've got to get a toilet holder then for a
holder for the
Dave Jones: holster on the wall doing exactly. Suction pad
that's a phone nobody will ever touch that's yes. But then But
then I never the goal is never leave the house with the with
that device only leave the house with the light phone.
Adam Curry: Yeah, I'm gonna do that. I like it. You know, I
like the idea a lot because all the stuff I'm doing like i Why
am I even doing this? Why am I doing this right now?
Unknown: This sounds like a Kindle with a phone.
Dave Jones: Yes. Yes. Sounds like yeah, look in a podcast
player.
Adam Curry: Yeah, well the pocket Although who knows. You
know, just imagine the value block going through that thing
though. phones can melt.
Dave Jones: Pod fans on the light phone. II E an E Ink pod
fans. Mostafa would lose his mind.
Adam Curry: Now. He would. And I think it's I think this is what
we should give kids you get your kids you get a light phone. You
got kids, right? You got one. You got one kid fan. Sam, do
your tooth. So you give your kid a light phone, a laptop laptop
and the kid has installed Linux Mint on it themselves. You give
them an umbrella. Or you set up an ombre you set up the umbrella
with the kid a you give them a ham radio to meter a handheld
and you take the test together. And then you a library card, a
dog and an AR 15 night and then you're gonna have a good kid
Unknown: lots of parts.
Adam Curry: Oh, please. Oh, please. Oh, please. You know,
Dave Jones: I hear you, Texas.
Adam Curry: I gotta say Sam. I love you, Sam. It stopped
tweeting about American politics. All right. We don't we
don't bitch about your stupid King and your coronation.
Unknown: Please do because I can't stand
Adam Curry: I can't believe I can't believe that you stood the
2023 and you're all gonna watch this guy in a golden carriage go
down the
Unknown: nails tomorrow. Anything but watching the bloody
car. Oh,
Adam Curry: my goodness. I met I met the Queen. You know, before
she died. I went to Buckingham Palace. It was that was I was
pretty cool. Actually.
Unknown: Have you got a gong? Have you got a little MBE? Or
oh, no,
Adam Curry: no, no, no, no, no, nothing like that. But I do get
to you know, shake her hand. And, and I say I'm going to look
in her eyes. And you know what I saw? Nothing. Nothing. Complete
dark emptiness. It was it was a little scary.
Dave Jones: Well, this, this is the sort of sort of the serious
part though is I figured if my if my daughter who's 13 I'm
like, Okay, if I want her to not be addicted to social media and
have like mental health problems for real from all this from all
this garbage. Like, I got to live there, right? I mean, I got
to put my money where my mouth is. And so I've got to I got to
do it myself. If I can't just be like, I can't just be scrolling
on the couch all night long and then be like, you can't have a
phone. So I'm like, okay,
Adam Curry: or you can go to make this happen or go take a
dump and you can use the toilet scroller, but that's an
Unknown: option so that's it for
me it's how I'm on the phone
Adam Curry: Shall we thank a few people because we have a lot we
I'm sure we have a lot from two weeks worth I would hope but let
me thank some of the people who have been sending us booster
grams throughout the show it's about the whole this whole
kitten caboodle is value for value was actually it was
actually fun. I was talking to a company from the UK today. I
forget what the name of the company was, but they were
considering becoming a client of voltage. And Graham said hey,
man, we you we give you referrals. Yeah, no problem. And
I explained the whole model as I'm explaining the model, I'm
seeing them looking at me like what is this guy talking about?
You know, how does how does your business work? But value for
value means that we accept any any value in return for the
value that you hopefully receive from the podcast from the whole
project. Everything that Dave and I do personally and you can
return that it's time talent or treasurer. If you want to give
us a Fiat fun coupons. You can go to podcasts index.org at the
bottom, there's two big red buttons actually, I'm going to
look at the at the tally coin. We do this every single time to
see that no one has sent us anything on chain. But you can
also use PayPal there and Whoa, no, I'm right now again, we have
nothing.
Dave Jones: Yes. Because the fit because the fees are
Adam Curry: the fees. Yeah, I saw that the the difficulty
level is going to go minus 11.
Dave Jones: Killer Almighty this ordinals thing has to stop. Do
you see somebody introduced a bug and ordinals? No, no, no,
it's all it's all asked.
Adam Curry: But what we really love is for you to ditch the
legacy app and grab a brand new one at podcast apps.com and fill
it up with some SATs. Almost everybody know how to wait for
you to convert your your Fiat into Bitcoin and get it into
lightning and we have Stephen B with 1138 1138 Izabel boost. I
need to talk to the Start nine guys. They need sovereign feeds
on their sovereign computing. Yes, I mentioned them
specifically. Stephen Bell, of course, also cast upon also
mentioned Casta pod to him 1776 A freedom booster Mr. Robot Adam
Jason rich of rich ranchers is running start nine hit him up
with any questions as well. Yeah, Jason is from the beef
initiative.
Dave Jones: Oh, this there? Oh, there's a little crossover
there.
Adam Curry: Dow there's tons of we're creating a whole economy
we don't need anybody. See dubs for 20 sites with a test test
Toke? Thank you received another Mr. Robot with 9999 nine or nine
or nine or nine or what's your thought on using hashtags on
before the show notes? In my opinion, they are not needed
take up space. Oscar from fountain had said they aren't
searchable items yet. Hmm. I'm not quite sure what this is
about hashtags on leave for the show notes.
Unknown: Well, I disagree with that because I we would want you
to be able to put any hashtag in and then use our search engine
to discovery so yeah,
Adam Curry: I'm not sure APR. A lot. I'm not sure what he means
about taking up space though. Is this maybe in the TLV record or
something? I'm not sure what this
Dave Jones: I don't know. What is the show notes word that's
Adam Curry: yeah, that's just also please tell people stop
using chat GPT For show notes.
Dave Jones: Yes. Okay. Stop using jet GPT for sure. Yeah, I
Adam Curry: agree with that. Harv had 10101 Thank you hard
hat and 10101 from our Davis at seven in the boardroom gentlemen
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Dave Jones: Oh, no, we are we are going we are going to
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Adam Curry: cotton gin 3333 in the boardroom he says 5150 from
tone wrecker, sling and SATs from curio caster after upgraded
integration with Albie looks to be okay. Great Transition.
Congratulations, the 20 to 20 from ICM that we read earlier,
cost peatland. Alright, that's a sorry, I missed that one. Steven
B 1818. Oh here Steven B was testing I got a whole a whole
bunch of times. He had production boost his real SATs
like a real man Is this thing working is like all these all
these different tests. Dobie dasa got his 23,000 SATs
anonymous podcast, Guru user 100, a couple in there and then
I hit the delimiters. So whatever you have from our show
from two weeks ago on this one, David's back to you, Bob,
Dave Jones: did we see You okay, so we'll do we'll do monthlies
we is this was a this was a Pay Pal for the extravaganza here.
Oh, this Yes. Interesting. Clearly, we need to do a show
every other week. Go because when we miss a show, everybody
everybody goes nuts. And since we were going
Adam Curry: nuts we we were like I don't Well, I my mouth hurt
and I couldn't do much but we were both like you wanted to go
or you really wanted to teach us like No, no, no, no, no. and my
face was really swollen Tiger really
Dave Jones: pulled the pulled the kid kids school function on
you.
Adam Curry: Was that a lie? We did you just do that? Oh, it
wasn't.
Dave Jones: It wasn't a lie. But it was a little it wasn't as
critical as I made it sound
Adam Curry: like I got a thing. I got a thing for school with my
kid. I'm like, okay, family first. I knew you were you were
like I knew you were recording you. Thank you.
Dave Jones: Buzzsprout came in with 500 Nice
Unknown: 20 blades on the Impala.
Adam Curry: We appreciate that, guys.
Dave Jones: Sam is a big fan of Buzzsprout.
Adam Curry: He's partners with them. I see it right here on the
EOD fans website.
Dave Jones: Blueberry. Todd Mike in the gang came in with $250.20
Unknown: blades on the Impala so cool,
Adam Curry: guys, thank you so much.
Dave Jones: Are we the only I feel like there's I feel like
we've broken some sort of ground here. It feels like we're the
only we got to be the only people who have managed to get
Todd to donate the money. $250 To just donate
Adam Curry: for anything for any reason.
Dave Jones: Now for any reason ever.
Adam Curry: Todd understands value. Todd has been part of
value for value for over a decade. He's been a no agenda
night for a long time. He's he understood the model very, very
early on.
Dave Jones: Thanks, Tom. I appreciate you guys. Fountain.
Speaking of fountain Oscar in the boys $200.20
Unknown: his blades on the Impala
Adam Curry: the servers will live on including the Linode
increase. Yes, thank you.
Dave Jones: Which you know what, which hurt worse than I thought
it was going to I did the initial math and it came out to
like 12% increase in fees. But then I forgot about the backups.
The backups went up to minus status. If backups really? Yeah,
cuz we do a lot of we have a lot of backups that snapshots. Oh,
yeah. Nightly snapshot. It kind of sucks because I was the
bigger instances. They're not nearly as cheap as he used to
be. But um, but we got $150 from the podcast and 2.0 consultants
Sir Alex gates.
Adam Curry: What how much
Dave Jones: $150
Unknown: stock call off 20 blades
Adam Curry: on am Paula. Bonuses came in tax refunds. This is
nice. Thank you. Thank you. I
Dave Jones: just want to say how much I appreciate Alex Yeah,
helps me on a weekly basis to work through things and it's
really, it really means a lot to me because he donated 150 bucks,
I should be giving him 150 bucks. So it's, uh, just really
appreciate that. Thank you. Drew, Drew and McCollum PLLC for
the Texas divorce talk podcast gave us $60
Adam Curry: Oh, that's awesome. Hey, that's for our outstanding
customer service.
Dave Jones: It is customer service.
Adam Curry: It was really nice because I do triage customer
service. And she was at a duplication issue she had going
on, I'm like, yeah, we'll see what we can do. And I you know,
I BCC Dave and I always try to manage people's expectations.
But basically, you know, I just tried to you know, they they
will email if it hasn't happened or wasn't what they wanted and
back and forth. And they said no, I said no, hey, thanks for
being so kind because usually people just yell at us not
realizing that as Adam and Dave, you know, doing this stuff says
because of that, whenever I was gonna give to WordPress I'm
giving to you like Oh, thank you. That was so nice for
WordPress.
Dave Jones: Todd and rob from the new media show $50 Guys
Adam Curry: Thank you. Thank you so much.
Dave Jones: You're an animal. Thank you. So see if $4 a month
we got a new subscription from Emilio canto Molina from this is
great because we got this the first new subscription we've
gotten in a long time from this stems the slow erosion of
monthly subscriptions. Yeah, we
Adam Curry: bank here. Thank you. Thanks. Thank you.
Dave Jones: As the economic destruction slowly what rolls
on? You wanna do some boost? We gotta tone record secular
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Adam Curry: Thank you.
Dave Jones: Boost. Clark in a friend of mine. To 25,001 SATs
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Adam Curry: you got it. A
Dave Jones: mere mortals podcast car and I'm gonna I'm gonna be
on his show tomorrow. We're recording. Oh, cool.
Adam Curry: That'd be you've been on the show. Haven't you
ever been on before?
Dave Jones: Yes. second timer. Yeah, I'm gonna have to make up
a bunch of stuff about my life. That's not true to compete with
Sam I
Adam Curry: know. Man, Sam Sam. Quite the life there. You know
he was a firefighter he was a paratrooper. No,
Unknown: I thought you were firefighter to the wine
importer,
Adam Curry: the wine importer. He was found on the steps of the
church I mean this whole call he has quite a quite a history.
Dave Jones: Trey Karen's gonna be like you you were fewer found
on the on the now in a bag in a wicker basket. And I'll yeah,
that was nice. For us.
Adam Curry: Nothing, nothing, nothing quite like the isobar
Oh, nice. WordPress. I'd love that thing.
Dave Jones: 2222 from Kira, and he says decentralization tends
to get mixed with self sovereignty. I have five or six
separate wallets, and none of them are self hosted. I feel
that it is significantly more decentralized than a single
point of incompetent failure, aka myself. No, that is a good
point, though. If it would be better for you to have an lb
wallet. And an ln your ln pay wallet. It'd be better for you
to have three centralized wallets than one umbrella that
you don't know how to run and you have screwed and you screw
it up all the time. Yeah, that's probably he's probably right.
And
Adam Curry: I gotta tell you, my my umbrella has been acting. I
don't know what the problem is that the Raspberry Pi's they
just don't do well with power management and your your
external hard drives. It gets wonky real quick. And then And
then if you're running something like Oh, I don't know, a noster
client snort on your Umbral. Yeah, I had to uninstall that.
It just drives the it spikes the CPU spikes the CPU to
Dave Jones: Yeah, now try run blues go on there. I don't think
so. I don't think so. See Brooklyn 112 4321 from curio
caster, and he says go podcasting?
Adam Curry: Yeah, thank you.
Dave Jones: Hope Bhoomi Boomi since 2100 says he says demoing
value for value. He did that last time so he's on. He's on a
tear
Adam Curry: demo away man. We're great for demoing
Dave Jones: frozen frozen years since his 10,000 SATs hearing
Adam doing a top 10 countdown style music podcast as a DJ
would be amazing.
Adam Curry: Thank you. Well, it's gonna happen man. It looks
like if we'll see what blows up this week. Or blows up
Dave Jones: I'm gonna be positive I think what if it just
works I think it's gonna work or
Adam Curry: if it just works right off the bat by the way. We
just had a 100,000 sat come in if you don't mind who's
Unknown: 20 is blades only Impala
Adam Curry: sir TJ the wrathful Adam and Dave as a musician in
podcasting. 2.0 It's been heavy on my mind. I thought of
starting to podcast word episode was a song a season would be an
album value for value. However, I just keep wishing there was a
music tab in my podcasting 2.0 app. It'd be more organic and
real for artists and listeners and Spotify. I'd rather do music
V for V than played a Spotify streaming game which I say
everything's a scam. Thank you for your courage. But looks like
we're working on it just for you, sir. TJ the raffle that's
happening. It's happening. And I'm just I'm still buzzing from
the whole idea that I can play a song on a podcast and that the
value blocks which is I mean, it's mind blowing to me and to
Sam apparently who didn't understand it just too hard.
Unknown: Now, it's not that I've got I've got to get a product
out the market. I know.
Dave Jones: You're telling me what you're saying is we need to
stop doing stuff so you can actually
Adam Curry: stop slow down slow down
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Adam Curry: Oh, so maybe that well a boo would be 808 I don't
know. We'll take it thank you.
Dave Jones: Upset Sasha Larissa from Joel wn no no Thank you
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Adam Curry: yo man thank you very much podcast. Sir dirty
Jersey whore.
Dave Jones: Jean been 8649 through cast thematic he says I
like the idea of tags following the Unix philosophy of doing one
thing and doing it well. By the way, the boost amount is the t
nine version of the word Unix.
Adam Curry: Ooh t nine. By the way, we just t nine.
Dave Jones: What is t nine?
Adam Curry: This isn't me isn't t nine. The t nine is the it's
not the predictive text.
Dave Jones: T not as predictive text technology. Okay, all
right. It gets you to
Adam Curry: SD Steven B rightly says in a new boost. Tell sir TJ
to check out curio caster which has a music tab or Ellen beats,
which is a dedicated V for V music player. I don't know what
the URL is from Ellen beats. Change the MSP to Ellen beats.
Dave Jones: I don't know what No, that's right. That's right.
Yeah.
Adam Curry: I like to know like Ellen beach.com. Or that's a
good name. It's a great name. I like that a lot.
Dave Jones: Mike, Mike Dale, Todd's partner in crime 1701
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that's the nomenclature, the model number of the enterprise
NCC 1701 This
Adam Curry: is where Hey, okay, stop the show. First of all, ln
beach.com It looks cool. Steven didn't even see that. Second.
You've got to tell everybody about your selfie with William
Shatner.
Dave Jones: Oh, yeah. Yeah, it was a scam. That's what it was.
This is a huge scam. If you ever go to a Comic Con, and you and
you have the option to get your picture made with the Star Trek
guys for Shatner individually. Say no. Because this is this is
how it happens. This is great. By
Adam Curry: the way. It was horrible.
Dave Jones: So what what did you have? You can buy in advance you
can buy in advance like you paid Yeah, paid via you pay for it.
Dude, this guy Shatner at his booth has it's like $120 for an
autographed picture. And then and that includes two words like
like like Fox you in for every additional word is 30 bucks. So
this
Adam Curry: Oh man, I'm in the wrong business.
Dave Jones: Then then the for the picture you pay in advance.
You have like these different packages. You can get your
picture made with just Shatner with Shatner plus the Star Trek
Next Generation crew was there's all these different
configuration packages. Oh, no. Yes packages. So you get in
there. And then in the way it's set up is there's Shatner and
the Star Trek people on on one side of a piece of plexiglass.
And you on the other side, you're not even anywhere close
to there. Four feet five feet away, so
Adam Curry: none of your cooties can float onto them. Yes, right.
Dave Jones: Yeah, exactly. So you're like, everybody can
everybody in the all the patient base kind of leaning as much as
they can.
Adam Curry: You can see the plexi glasses and shadows just
sitting there. Like, you know, like Weekend at Bernie's, like,
oh, yeah,
Dave Jones: you go you go through and they look at you
through the plexiglass and they're light and I'm just like,
I don't know what Hey,
Adam Curry: could they hear it? You need this prison phones?
That would make it perfect. Yeah,
Dave Jones: yes, exactly. No, do not pay for this people.
Adam Curry: It's I'm sorry. I'm dying. I know you were excited.
And that's very disappointing.
Dave Jones: Yeah, it was but we get to see lots of nerds so that
was fun.
Adam Curry: Yay for nerds. Good.
Dave Jones: Bill Prague. 5000 SATs at the fountain. He says
yes, Hive does have decentralized identities and
comments, ensure better keys and a better keys architecture. You
can leak your key and not lose your account.
Adam Curry: Oh,
Dave Jones: anonymous note through cast MATIC 22 two to two
big row ducks.
Adam Curry: Thank you. Thank you duck. So mom's good.
Dave Jones: pricy pants 10,000 SATs through fountain How about
a juice cast app? I would willingly pay 50 cents an
episode like the OG bucks as a truck driver, I listen all day
every day and 2.0 is awesome. But I just can't boost every
show but what essentially would but would easily pay 50 cents if
I could queue it up. That's a great idea for an app. There's
Adam Curry: this Elon beats looks nice by the way.
Dave Jones: It's not just rebranded MSP.
Adam Curry: Yeah, but it looks nice. Okay. Cool logo was I
don't know he did something different.
Dave Jones: That is a good logo looks nice. Looks real nice.
That is a good idea for an app though. We Bouchard a random
song. I mean, get to pick a song. Yeah, that'd
Adam Curry: be great. lined it up.
Dave Jones: You bet. Comic Strip blogger. 15. Oh, 33. Now this is
his reduced boost from last week evidently. Because we didn't
have a show but he still boosted us.
Adam Curry: Thank you. Appreciate it.
Dave Jones: He says, Dear AC, I wanted to take a moment to send
you my warmest wishes as you recover from your recent dental
surgery. Remember, healing takes time. So be patient with
yourself. Do not rush the process. Take this opportunity
to rest rejuvenate and focus on your health. Follow your
doctor's advice, keep a positive mindset and you will be back to
normal routine before you know it sending healing vibes your
way Yossi as well. Thank you CSB.
Adam Curry: Well, I took your advice. And today at school and
here I say school your drugs
Dave Jones: except the ones your doctor gets
Adam Curry: shitty drugs. I didn't get any good drugs this
time. Good drugs. Borlaug. 1701
Dave Jones: Oh, says wanted to say thank you and I'm still
trying to find my own special amount to boost as a signature
like all the cool kids do this in honor of Mr. Jones. Oh, thank
you. That's so cool. 1776 from Lyceum, Martin Lyndsay go
Liberty boost of 1776 Satoshis go podcasting. 2.0 got a great
online event on my digital townhall talking about new
podcast apps value for value model namespace tags, etc.
Thanks to Bhumi of Alby Sam of pod fans at all for showing
interest in my event and I will have this kind of live streaming
event once a month. Martin Linda's go
Adam Curry: hi. Oh, Sam, could you do me a favor? Could you
email me right now? Our lightning wallet that I can put
your split for this episode in for sure. Yeah. And Steven B
says LM beats lets you build a playlist and send a set amount
of SAS at the end of each song pretty much lets you build your
own jukebox. Jukebox in a box
Dave Jones: Steven B 3333 through curio caster Of course
he says in the immortal words of juveniles girl You look so good
once you boost back that adds up.
Adam Curry: Boost backs boost that bass backs come on come on
come on come on.
Dave Jones: PS those a bet those backsides not three seconds in
boost amount don't understand No. See era statica 50,000 SATs
Hi Sue fountain as always great work guys booster grands rule if
you're new. And you do to Gene been 20 to 22 roadex is just
sending a test from the cast ematic beta that now uses lb Oh
yeah, that's right cast O Matic is rolling out lb support cool.
The migration of sass from the legacy wallet to lb could not
have been easier.
Adam Curry: is ln pay now? Like addition, decommission legacy
Dave Jones: forever. I guess we're just gonna have to we're
just gonna have to monitor and see how long it takes for
everyone to buy
Unknown: it off. Yeah, okay.
Dave Jones: Boom is 2100 now I guess he's doing another demo. A
huddle rodeos. And as for 20 says, it says on wave lake a
feed is created for each album, which can have additional tracks
published to it after initiating it a feed is not created until
an album with at least one tracks published here is tracks
from debasement by debased ghost Okay, so he's linking to that.
Adam Curry: Okay, I think I think I saw that on LM beats
what what's it called? What's the name of the what was that
debasement
Dave Jones: was the bet yeah, they just deleted debase. I'm
sorry, I don't know how to get it back. What's the I don't have
to get back? I'm in Thunderbird. Why? Why on earth? It because I
know why. Because it's the only one that reliably shows me
emojis
Adam Curry: and doing boosts redoing all of Thunderbird. I
heard about that. Yeah. And also and with that, the what would I
use canine for for my graphing OS that will that will also be
completely upgraded and fixed.
Dave Jones: You know, he's much on graphing.
Adam Curry: I still fire up might you know I need because
we're crazy. might have some great sorting capabilities is a
lot of reasons to use mud.
Dave Jones: Comics for your blogger, the delimiter 30 3015.
He says, dashing Dave and electric electric bus I don't
even know what that word means. What is alacrity is me luck.
Adam Curry: To bed and Sam, are you still with us?
Unknown: I am. I am.
Adam Curry: I just want to make sure you're alive. keeled over
elantas saying what is Electress? Let me search it.
Dave Jones: Dashing Dave and electric is Adam, it is
Unknown: outside ship for you but I can't even say,
Adam Curry: cheerful. Biddy eager at that sounds like me.
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Adam Curry: And thank you all very much for supporting
podcasting 2.0 the podcast the time that we put in the servers,
really everything that we have running. And it also of course,
everything you do in Satoshis goes straight into the node. We
don't take that out. We use that for for liquidity. Anybody who
needs it, we're happy to provide that to even at these crazy high
fees. Man, I saw a 55 visa fee the other day,
Dave Jones: Holy God Almighty.
Adam Curry: And when you're opening a million SATs, it's
like oh, okay, well do a half hour here instead of what was an
hour instead of half hour. Again, podcast index.org. The
bottom that you can find a spot to dog big donate button for
your pay pal. But we really appreciate if you get one of
those modern apps at podcast apps.com and use that to boost
us it's very much appreciated. Sam, we're very appreciative of
the time, talent and treasure, you are also a frequent booster
now that you've put into to the whole project. And I'm so
excited to see pod fans take off. And it's the as you know,
we're happy to promote and do anything. And so whenever you're
ready for the for the heavy hand, we're here for you,
brother.
Unknown: Oh, nice. Thanks, Adam. And Dave, I mean, look, you
know, none of this would be possible without YouTube. And I
so thank you very much.
Adam Curry: We've sprouted so many businesses and careers.
We're so proud.
Unknown: Right, Dave? Having watching your children grow out
and
Dave Jones: children?
Adam Curry: Well, go ahead.
Dave Jones: No, I've got I've got too many kids already. I
don't need more.
Adam Curry: And they never get off the payroll for some reason.
You know, that's interesting, because I we rarely think of it
that way. But I think from time to time, maybe once every six
months, we'll be like, Wow, this is kind of cool. This thing we
started when I would text message. Hey, this is kind of
cool. What's happening here? Who would have thunk?
Dave Jones: I think it hits me when we don't get the chance to
do a show. Like what like last Friday when it's like, I just
want to just get the edge like I'm not sure I'm not. I just
want to do it because there's so much going on there. So I mean,
like, I've got a whole page of stuff that we didn't even get to
Adam Curry: tell me what. So I can put it in my in my brain.
For next
Dave Jones: chat. The chat tag. We made some changes to it. The
we put some attributes on it. Alex's peer tube. Oh, yeah,
Adam Curry: it was all that yeah, pod. Pod roll,
Dave Jones: get some things we need to read. We need to talk
about that. And we need to talk about remote item. I had a whole
thing I was going to try. I was going to try to convince sand to
embrace remote item with both hands. You want to try that
before
Adam Curry: we leave you want you want to hold on to it. You
want to hold on to that.
Dave Jones: I will I will hold on to because I know you get a
heart out.
Adam Curry: Yes, I do. I have my post op post op post. I've gotta
go Yeah, I do. I Yeah. Okay.
Unknown: And with Pedro, can I just say can we keep it simple,
it works.
Dave Jones: It I think we can keep it simple. With Remote
item. I promise you it will not be Oh will not make it any more
complicated.
Adam Curry: What you're gonna put yourself in my remote items
is going to be a part of pod roll.
Dave Jones: That I think it needs to be because actually
this is the thing Remote item and I just said I was going to
do it I'm doing it remote item is is is got to be the official
way to reference an external piece of content. It just has to
be big it had there has to be a structure because here, let me
boil down remote item into into his most simple basic form
remote item with one attribute that is feed that is feed good.
It's just that so your pod role can have, instead of a list of
goo is separated by a comma, it can just have a list of remote
items with a feed good. It's essentially the same thing. But
the the reason we need remote item to exist, it has to be
there has to be this standardized way of referring to
a piece of content in a in a remote piece and remote feed. So
your remote item remote item is it can be as simple as just a
feed good. Or it can be the feed Gu id plus the item. Good. So
now you're referencing and remote episode. Or it can be the
feed guid plus plus a feed URL plus a Episode Good. And now Now
that gives you and here here's here's the issue for apps that
don't have their own back end, like antenna pod or caste
ematic. If we just use Gu IDs, they they're going to be
hamstrung because they won't, they'll have to do lookups when
they go to resolve the GUID to find the URL, and they may not
have like cast ematic Franco doesn't even have a server. So
where do you go to get that good resolution? So I think we have
to have something that offers like layered fallbacks. And I
think remote item is just a simple, it's a very simple tag,
it just says, here's a way to reference an external item. And
so then if we use that as the building block to build up pod
roll in, and then other things like that's essentially what
we're doing with with value time split, then there you go. Like
you can just plug and play this thing is like Lego blocks, it
can go anywhere. Pod sage has spoken. Did I sell it? Is it
sold?
Adam Curry: I pay you money just to never say that thing again.
Like crushing you last? No, no, you I, I'm I'm like jazz,
whatever. Dave says, My brain hurts my brain hurt from that.
Unknown: To be fair, if you look at the current pod, bro, you got
rally calls, channel rally cars, Episode, rally calls, whatever,
replace rally calls with remote item price, fundamentally,
you're doing the same thing. So I get it. It's not that
difficult to implement. It's a case of, again, if everyone
agrees on on what we're going to do then then then the app
developers like, you know, we can get on with it. But I think
he's a moving target. So the easiest one for us to do to
prove that there was actually a way of going forward was to just
do the GUID comma element within the pop role. And that worked
straight away. So that was why we did it. But obviously, if we
think, you know, we can extend it with value then we'll do it.
Dave Jones: I will trade you I will trade you. REL equals for
remote item.
Unknown: That's what I'm saying though. It's very easy to do.
This is old tell me that's the standard then we'll do it.
Sweet.
Adam Curry: We have an agreement
Dave Jones: now and we have an agreement and then I'm gonna
post it on the discussion thing and Kevin Kevin from Buzzsprout
is gonna be like no
Adam Curry: I'm gonna back you. I'm backing you Dave. I'm
backing you.
Dave Jones: I'm building my team. That's right.
Adam Curry: Yes. Right. We got Dave's army right here. We're
back in the pod sage all the way pod sage all the way Hey, hey ho
ho pod shades are the way to go.
Dave Jones: Mode army metallized
Adam Curry: Sam Southie pod fans.fm. Sam, thank you so much
for being with us. Have a great evening. And enjoy painting your
nails tomorrow. While while Chuck will chuck does his thing
there
Dave Jones: while the world burns
Adam Curry: throughout the world. Dave my brother had
yourself a great weekend. He to me chat room. Thank you all very
much. And we will return in one week from now for another board
meeting of podcasting 2.0 And thank you all very much for
boosting us and supporting us. We'll see you then take care
everybody bye bye.
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