1 00:00:00,780 --> 00:00:05,940 Adam Curry: podcasting 2.0 for May 19 2023, episode 133 2 00:00:06,269 --> 00:00:07,379 Mike Kadin: It's a lifestyle. 3 00:00:10,500 --> 00:00:13,140 Adam Curry: Friday once again, time for the board meeting and 4 00:00:13,140 --> 00:00:18,330 podcasting. 2.0 the only left boardroom that's got to be. Give 5 00:00:18,330 --> 00:00:21,210 me a beat. That's right. Everything happening in Podcast. 6 00:00:21,210 --> 00:00:25,110 index.org is all about the namespace, sexy, hot namespace 7 00:00:25,110 --> 00:00:28,290 talk. And of course, everything happening in podcast index dot 8 00:00:28,290 --> 00:00:30,540 social. I'm Adam curry here in the heart of the Texas Hill 9 00:00:30,540 --> 00:00:34,320 Country and in Alabama. Everybody knows his database is 10 00:00:34,320 --> 00:00:37,410 way bigger than yours. Say hello to my friend on the other end. 11 00:00:37,410 --> 00:00:39,990 Ladies and gentlemen, Mr. Dave Jones. 12 00:00:41,549 --> 00:00:44,129 Dave Jones: Perfect timing. Just swallow this sandwich. I'm 13 00:00:44,129 --> 00:00:45,479 clean. I'm ready to go. 14 00:00:46,080 --> 00:00:49,740 Adam Curry: All right. Welcome, Dan. Welcome. You know, you're 15 00:00:49,740 --> 00:00:52,200 it's okay to eat during the board meeting. You know, as long 16 00:00:52,200 --> 00:00:54,210 as you don't smack too much. It's okay. 17 00:00:54,240 --> 00:00:56,400 Dave Jones: It better because I gotta ask Cream Sandwich. 18 00:00:57,510 --> 00:00:59,220 Adam Curry: What are you? What are you eating? What is on 19 00:00:59,220 --> 00:01:02,790 Dave's menu today? And let me just preface this. Dave. Of 20 00:01:02,790 --> 00:01:06,570 course, it takes off time from his day job to do the board 21 00:01:06,570 --> 00:01:10,170 meeting. He normally only has an hour, but I guess he doesn't eat 22 00:01:10,170 --> 00:01:14,010 on Thursdays so that he can take two hours on Fridays. Is that 23 00:01:14,010 --> 00:01:14,430 true? 24 00:01:14,880 --> 00:01:19,800 Dave Jones: Yes. Yes. No, this today's menu was a turkey 25 00:01:19,800 --> 00:01:23,250 sandwich. And an ice cream sandwich which I'm now about to 26 00:01:23,250 --> 00:01:28,110 partake in. Very nice. The the horrible thing that just 27 00:01:28,110 --> 00:01:33,480 happened before the show was I came I came home. And so we got 28 00:01:33,480 --> 00:01:34,260 new chickens. 29 00:01:35,970 --> 00:01:38,700 Adam Curry: Is this a past tense thing now? No, no, 30 00:01:38,700 --> 00:01:40,320 Dave Jones: no, no, we still have we still 31 00:01:40,830 --> 00:01:42,150 Adam Curry: have a couple of years chickens. 32 00:01:43,050 --> 00:01:45,000 Dave Jones: We have our full allotment of chickens stone. 33 00:01:45,990 --> 00:01:49,020 This was not an this was not a circumstance where the chickens 34 00:01:49,020 --> 00:01:53,700 were destroyed or mutilated by some by something. Which 35 00:01:53,700 --> 00:01:56,250 chickens love to do they love to get themselves killed. 36 00:01:56,250 --> 00:01:58,380 Adam Curry: I mean, it's it's pretty much what they do. They 37 00:01:58,380 --> 00:01:59,850 lay eggs and get killed. 38 00:02:01,020 --> 00:02:02,880 Dave Jones: Eggs, like scratching in the dirt and then 39 00:02:02,880 --> 00:02:05,220 like getting themselves destroyed. I mean, horrible 40 00:02:05,220 --> 00:02:07,200 ways. They're not like they don't just die of natural 41 00:02:07,200 --> 00:02:07,560 causes. 42 00:02:07,860 --> 00:02:10,590 Adam Curry: There's always like feathers and blood and guts 43 00:02:10,620 --> 00:02:13,410 smeared out over the ground. That's kind of the end of every 44 00:02:13,410 --> 00:02:15,420 chicken. Yeah, if there's no trauma, 45 00:02:15,510 --> 00:02:18,900 Dave Jones: it didn't happen. So this this is like so I come home 46 00:02:18,900 --> 00:02:21,750 but we have we have new chickens, the little peeps, 47 00:02:22,440 --> 00:02:27,180 Chick chicks. Oh, pizza, we have six of them. And Melissa was 48 00:02:27,180 --> 00:02:30,780 worried about it storming outside today. So she brought 49 00:02:30,780 --> 00:02:35,610 them in and put them in a tub, Rubbermaid tub in the podcast 50 00:02:35,610 --> 00:02:39,390 room because that would be the dog and the cat away. So I come 51 00:02:39,390 --> 00:02:41,550 in and of course what has happened is they have gotten out 52 00:02:41,550 --> 00:02:44,220 of the tub and they're everywhere and around. Yes. 53 00:02:45,000 --> 00:02:46,680 They've been running around in the yes. 54 00:02:46,709 --> 00:02:49,799 Adam Curry: Are they still up the yellow little yellow variety 55 00:02:49,799 --> 00:02:50,789 little chickadees 56 00:02:51,000 --> 00:02:51,870 Dave Jones: Oh yeah, there's little pup 57 00:02:53,790 --> 00:02:55,380 Adam Curry: How come I don't hear him in the background. But 58 00:02:55,380 --> 00:02:56,070 there's chicken 59 00:02:56,070 --> 00:02:59,430 Dave Jones: crap. all over the floor. What but don't little 60 00:02:59,430 --> 00:02:59,760 chicks 61 00:02:59,760 --> 00:03:01,260 Adam Curry: make small to chicken poops? 62 00:03:01,530 --> 00:03:04,350 Dave Jones: Give it there's 100 little piles of it. I mean, I 63 00:03:04,350 --> 00:03:07,170 was just furiously cleaning the floor. He smells horrible in 64 00:03:07,170 --> 00:03:11,880 here. I was furiously cleaning the floor at like, you know 1225 65 00:03:11,910 --> 00:03:14,190 You know, it's like, Oh my God. We got five minutes. It's 66 00:03:14,190 --> 00:03:19,110 Adam Curry: okay to podcast from from chicken poop. It's okay. We 67 00:03:19,110 --> 00:03:22,140 could have done it after the show. Smells like shit in here. 68 00:03:23,010 --> 00:03:24,120 I'll bet it does. 69 00:03:24,660 --> 00:03:28,530 Dave Jones: Which I mean, like I read a thing. So which is a 70 00:03:28,530 --> 00:03:33,960 perfect segue though. Because I was reading this morning. The 71 00:03:34,140 --> 00:03:36,960 the incredible investigative journalism from 72 00:03:37,139 --> 00:03:41,999 Adam Curry: Vox Oh yeah. Yes, yes, the Vox Media Network home 73 00:03:41,999 --> 00:03:44,879 of Kara Swisher and the award winning tech podcast pivot. 74 00:03:45,870 --> 00:03:49,290 Dave Jones: Yes. They have brought us an in depth 75 00:03:49,290 --> 00:03:54,840 investigative report about about that free range chickens. Free 76 00:03:54,840 --> 00:03:57,120 Range doesn't really mean free range. 77 00:03:57,450 --> 00:03:58,380 Adam Curry: No kidding. 78 00:03:58,980 --> 00:04:02,400 Dave Jones: Which is I'm stunned by this revelation. Organic 79 00:04:02,400 --> 00:04:04,770 Adam Curry: doesn't mean healthy or good for you. Really, this is 80 00:04:04,770 --> 00:04:05,520 fascinating. 81 00:04:05,880 --> 00:04:08,730 Dave Jones: This is so here's here's let me just read a little 82 00:04:08,730 --> 00:04:14,700 bit. This says the investigator documented hours upon hours of 83 00:04:14,700 --> 00:04:18,690 the typical horrors found on chicken factory farms 10s of 84 00:04:18,690 --> 00:04:22,740 1000s of birds stuffed into dark warehouse sized barns, many of 85 00:04:22,740 --> 00:04:26,430 them severely injured with gruesome lesions, injuries and 86 00:04:26,430 --> 00:04:30,630 deformities. At more than one point birds are deprived of food 87 00:04:30,630 --> 00:04:34,980 or water and there was also a rat infestation and footage of 88 00:04:35,310 --> 00:04:37,860 bugs crawling in the chickens feed now 89 00:04:39,420 --> 00:04:40,830 Adam Curry: and that's just your studio. 90 00:04:43,590 --> 00:04:47,100 Dave Jones: Do you know what we call bugs? in a context of 91 00:04:47,100 --> 00:04:47,610 chickens 92 00:04:47,640 --> 00:04:49,650 Adam Curry: or your food? Food? Yes. 93 00:04:50,250 --> 00:04:52,860 Dave Jones: bugs were crawling in the chicken feet. No bugs are 94 00:04:52,860 --> 00:04:55,170 the chicken feet and that's not a problem, man. It's 95 00:04:55,170 --> 00:04:57,210 Adam Curry: not an issue. These people they did have 96 00:04:57,390 --> 00:05:00,600 Dave Jones: this this. This article is 35 one 100 words and 97 00:05:00,600 --> 00:05:04,770 they have a really good one. A really good term, a broiler 98 00:05:04,770 --> 00:05:07,380 technician advisor. I like that 99 00:05:07,410 --> 00:05:10,740 Adam Curry: broiler technician advisor yeah I want to be that 100 00:05:10,770 --> 00:05:13,260 sounds like the guy who comes around with a warranty papers. 101 00:05:13,770 --> 00:05:17,700 Dave Jones: But here's the here's a good one says the USDA 102 00:05:17,700 --> 00:05:21,030 says chicken producers using the label free range must provide 103 00:05:21,030 --> 00:05:24,300 birds continuous free access to the outside. Get and get this 104 00:05:24,300 --> 00:05:30,030 here's the kicker for over 51% of their six week lives. What 105 00:05:30,030 --> 00:05:33,780 these things only live for six weeks weeks. And you can they're 106 00:05:33,780 --> 00:05:34,740 big enough to eat 107 00:05:36,330 --> 00:05:38,280 Adam Curry: your gross and everybody out and you just ate a 108 00:05:38,280 --> 00:05:40,530 turkey sandwich. What do you think that was like? What do you 109 00:05:40,530 --> 00:05:42,030 How long do you think that thing lived? 110 00:05:42,450 --> 00:05:45,660 Dave Jones: Oh, it's a long life. hit it out of old natural 111 00:05:45,660 --> 00:05:46,140 causes. 112 00:05:46,170 --> 00:05:51,840 Adam Curry: Okay, good. Well, we did it again. What we did when 113 00:05:52,320 --> 00:05:55,230 we sent another song to the top of the wavelength charts. 114 00:05:57,690 --> 00:06:03,960 Makers. Oh, drab. You're interrupting the show. 20th 115 00:06:03,960 --> 00:06:07,890 blades on am bollocks had mentioned that the new the new 116 00:06:07,890 --> 00:06:12,450 pod friend. I guess we call it 2.0. But it's just www dot pod 117 00:06:12,450 --> 00:06:18,720 friend.com is live. And Dred Scott immediately tested the 118 00:06:18,750 --> 00:06:26,670 envelope by boosting us 222,222 SATs putting his kids further 119 00:06:26,670 --> 00:06:27,780 into the poorhouse. 120 00:06:29,310 --> 00:06:31,050 Dave Jones: He's not gonna have kids anymore. 121 00:06:32,700 --> 00:06:35,640 Adam Curry: You have to hawk the kids to boost because I need to 122 00:06:35,640 --> 00:06:37,440 push more. Take my child. 123 00:06:38,160 --> 00:06:40,560 Dave Jones: Like Daddy, why can't we go to college? Because 124 00:06:40,560 --> 00:06:41,430 I love this show. 125 00:06:41,520 --> 00:06:44,010 Adam Curry: Because podcasting 2.0 is important child. 126 00:06:47,700 --> 00:06:50,310 Goodness, thank you very much drab. And congratulations, 127 00:06:50,310 --> 00:06:53,640 Martin. He's running with scissors today. He he got tired 128 00:06:53,640 --> 00:06:57,150 of saying yeah, maybe next week, maybe next week. It's so hard 129 00:06:57,150 --> 00:06:59,760 sometimes. I've noticed this with certain developers not 130 00:06:59,760 --> 00:07:03,390 saying that. Martin is one of them. But in my career and life. 131 00:07:03,810 --> 00:07:07,560 Some developers have a real it's really it's scary or something 132 00:07:07,560 --> 00:07:11,400 for them to release. It's a hard thing to do. And it's always 133 00:07:11,400 --> 00:07:13,710 like, I can make it a little bit better a little bit better. Just 134 00:07:13,710 --> 00:07:17,100 me fix this one thing. And Martin just ripped it off, man. 135 00:07:17,520 --> 00:07:18,690 Dave Jones: I've never had that problem. 136 00:07:19,830 --> 00:07:20,640 Adam Curry: And that shows. 137 00:07:22,110 --> 00:07:23,430 Dave Jones: Thanks, man. Like, 138 00:07:24,570 --> 00:07:25,440 Adam Curry: like, just kidding. 139 00:07:25,710 --> 00:07:29,010 Dave Jones: There is no barrier to release with me. No, there 140 00:07:29,010 --> 00:07:29,610 isn't no 141 00:07:29,640 --> 00:07:35,340 Adam Curry: but your stuff. It always works. It just your UI is 142 00:07:35,340 --> 00:07:38,040 just simple. You know, Martin's got I mean, this thing. He's got 143 00:07:38,040 --> 00:07:41,790 some really nice stuff going on. Like, even without asking. And 144 00:07:41,790 --> 00:07:45,090 you don't go to a separate tab for the transcript. It just 145 00:07:45,090 --> 00:07:47,820 shows up in little cartoon bubbles. So if you have your, 146 00:07:48,000 --> 00:07:52,380 your person tag enabled, so like on our show, when I'm talking my 147 00:07:52,380 --> 00:07:54,690 head shows up with little cartoon bubble, and then when 148 00:07:54,690 --> 00:07:58,020 you talk your head shows up. That's so cool. It's very cool. 149 00:07:58,020 --> 00:08:00,810 And it's without asking which I like, you know, saw you Oh, do 150 00:08:00,810 --> 00:08:02,880 you want to do you want to follow along no just pops up. 151 00:08:02,880 --> 00:08:03,180 It's just 152 00:08:03,180 --> 00:08:05,940 Dave Jones: there. It gives you the things that it thinks will 153 00:08:05,940 --> 00:08:06,810 make you happy. 154 00:08:06,930 --> 00:08:08,940 Adam Curry: It's a friendly little app. It's called pod 155 00:08:08,940 --> 00:08:10,020 friend. That's why 156 00:08:10,500 --> 00:08:13,170 Dave Jones: I'm drinking out of my WWW dot pod friend.com. 157 00:08:13,170 --> 00:08:17,880 McGraw Hill. Very nice. Yes. This worked out great. Because 158 00:08:18,570 --> 00:08:24,090 on the front, it says WWW dot pod friend.com. Which happens to 159 00:08:24,090 --> 00:08:28,260 be it used to be web dot pod friend.com was the player and 160 00:08:28,260 --> 00:08:34,200 now 2.0 is WWW dot pod friend.com. In a way, it just it 161 00:08:34,200 --> 00:08:36,090 just it just sunk right into the right spot. 162 00:08:36,120 --> 00:08:37,740 Adam Curry: Now she's going to do app stores, you're gonna 163 00:08:37,740 --> 00:08:39,420 stick with a progressive web app. 164 00:08:40,080 --> 00:08:44,010 Dave Jones: I think he's doing apps because he did. He he re 165 00:08:44,010 --> 00:08:48,630 architected it with with with a one of those cross platform 166 00:08:50,070 --> 00:08:52,980 things that would let him in a release apps as well. 167 00:08:53,010 --> 00:08:56,850 Adam Curry: Oh, like swallow or what is it called fallow letter? 168 00:08:57,060 --> 00:09:02,790 Dave Jones: water or water? It's not for a while, like swallow 169 00:09:02,790 --> 00:09:03,750 Adam Curry: better honestly. 170 00:09:05,010 --> 00:09:07,290 Dave Jones: That's not a framework. That's a bad 171 00:09:07,290 --> 00:09:13,020 framework. I used it before I fired it up this morning. And 172 00:09:13,020 --> 00:09:16,350 when I saw you released it and connected my lb wallet boom. Can 173 00:09:16,380 --> 00:09:20,670 Rata Oh yeah, that works. It's totally in all my history, too. 174 00:09:20,700 --> 00:09:24,690 Adam Curry: I saw I saw to My Account Exactly. Well, that's 175 00:09:24,690 --> 00:09:27,750 impressive. You know, when you launch something new and your 176 00:09:27,750 --> 00:09:31,080 old account still works. That's pretty impressive. I like that. 177 00:09:31,469 --> 00:09:32,939 Dave Jones: Because it's not always easy, because you got 178 00:09:32,939 --> 00:09:34,889 different. I mean, you got you got to really think about 179 00:09:34,889 --> 00:09:37,529 pulling that stuff. And I've had to do those before where you go 180 00:09:37,529 --> 00:09:40,859 from an old, you rewrite something and then you you have 181 00:09:40,859 --> 00:09:42,329 to make allowances for that. 182 00:09:43,020 --> 00:09:46,020 Adam Curry: Anyway, so it's also has lit capability. I saw that 183 00:09:46,020 --> 00:09:48,420 so the live shows are functioning and people are 184 00:09:48,510 --> 00:09:52,440 testing it around and doing all kinds of stuff. So it's very, 185 00:09:52,470 --> 00:09:56,490 very, very cool. Martin, congrats on that. And so I'm 186 00:09:56,490 --> 00:09:58,800 proud of him. He just went Screw it. I just got it. I'm running 187 00:09:58,800 --> 00:10:01,920 with scissors. And this is the place to do it you know, we're 188 00:10:01,920 --> 00:10:05,070 the group to do it with no one's gonna be like, Man, your app 189 00:10:05,070 --> 00:10:08,370 sucks. No, we're amazed any of this shit works like wow it 190 00:10:08,370 --> 00:10:12,720 Dave Jones: worked. We didn't believe iSeries Yeah, we need 191 00:10:12,720 --> 00:10:13,470 the gym running 192 00:10:13,470 --> 00:10:17,100 Adam Curry: with scissors Alright, so speaking of which, 193 00:10:18,090 --> 00:10:21,060 let's run with some scissors right now if you're listening 194 00:10:21,060 --> 00:10:25,170 live then you're in for a treat. But also if you're listening 195 00:10:25,170 --> 00:10:28,050 after the fact we're going to push another artists to the top 196 00:10:28,050 --> 00:10:32,160 of the wave Lake top 40 These are these are songs that I have 197 00:10:32,160 --> 00:10:35,460 picked up at kind of at random just poking around listening on 198 00:10:35,460 --> 00:10:40,020 Ellen beats.com you know looking at what's going on a wavelength 199 00:10:40,020 --> 00:10:43,680 but these are songs that have a value block and that are 200 00:10:43,680 --> 00:10:47,160 accessible through through the system it's an I was thinking 201 00:10:47,160 --> 00:10:51,420 about how beautiful this this interrupt used to be back in the 202 00:10:51,480 --> 00:10:54,210 80s and 90s people talk interrupt do have interrupt but 203 00:10:54,210 --> 00:10:56,460 got interrupt got into a yoga interrupt. Well this is cool, 204 00:10:56,460 --> 00:10:59,580 you got to interrupt we got interrupt, and for us it's like 205 00:10:59,610 --> 00:11:03,780 this whole interoperates you know every you can use that Alby 206 00:11:03,780 --> 00:11:06,960 wallet you can use your own lightning node you can use you 207 00:11:06,960 --> 00:11:09,720 know you put your song a wave Lake it's available in the in 208 00:11:09,720 --> 00:11:14,070 the index I mean all this stuff it's it's so beautiful. Through 209 00:11:14,070 --> 00:11:18,870 its simplicity I guess that it just kind of works and no one no 210 00:11:18,870 --> 00:11:21,780 one really has to talk to anyone else just you do it this way and 211 00:11:21,780 --> 00:11:23,400 then anyone else can tie into it. 212 00:11:23,880 --> 00:11:25,230 Dave Jones: Let's see what happens when you build on it 213 00:11:25,230 --> 00:11:28,200 when you build on protocols you don't have to write make 214 00:11:28,200 --> 00:11:30,750 interfaces for things to interrupt they just interrupt 215 00:11:30,750 --> 00:11:31,380 bothered 216 00:11:31,920 --> 00:11:34,290 Adam Curry: by being just by being by exists. Yes. 217 00:11:34,350 --> 00:11:36,180 Dave Jones: Yes. Interrupt through existence. 218 00:11:36,450 --> 00:11:39,600 Adam Curry: Who I like that interrupt through existence. So 219 00:11:40,260 --> 00:11:44,790 I have had I've chosen other Samba what Steven B has now done 220 00:11:44,820 --> 00:11:48,420 remember this is in between, like putting light sockets into 221 00:11:48,420 --> 00:11:53,220 office buildings. Yes. I'm sure he has to tell us what he does. 222 00:11:53,220 --> 00:11:56,220 I'm sure he I'm sure we know isn't doesn't he design 223 00:11:56,700 --> 00:11:58,950 electrical plan for buildings 224 00:11:58,979 --> 00:12:02,219 Dave Jones: or if I'm not mistaken. I think that he told 225 00:12:02,219 --> 00:12:09,959 us before that he does estimates project estimates. Oh, okay. As 226 00:12:09,959 --> 00:12:13,169 I think that he takes the designs and then like tells you 227 00:12:13,169 --> 00:12:14,159 how much it's gonna hurt. 228 00:12:15,780 --> 00:12:18,570 Adam Curry: Well, he's doing all this for the love of Satoshis 229 00:12:18,600 --> 00:12:22,830 which is just beautiful. So he has created within sovereign 230 00:12:22,830 --> 00:12:25,920 feeds now sovereign feeds.com is what I've been using for all of 231 00:12:25,920 --> 00:12:30,060 my podcasts since we started this marry adventure. Which is 232 00:12:30,090 --> 00:12:33,600 always fun because we had a little issue just before the 233 00:12:33,600 --> 00:12:37,830 last no agenda live show. We wanted to svelte libraries shit 234 00:12:37,830 --> 00:12:38,850 the bed or something. 235 00:12:39,870 --> 00:12:43,560 Dave Jones: No, it's this server. The server he was on 236 00:12:43,560 --> 00:12:45,960 wasn't big enough to handle me to handle 237 00:12:47,250 --> 00:12:49,980 Adam Curry: to handle the pod father, I hear yes, of course. 238 00:12:51,840 --> 00:12:54,180 If you want the pod father on your server, you better come 239 00:12:54,180 --> 00:13:00,030 with some girth. All right, there we are. Friday, it's 240 00:13:00,030 --> 00:13:05,520 Friday, everybody we are we are punchy. This is my feed creator. 241 00:13:05,520 --> 00:13:08,100 This is where we totally run with scissors. When we did the 242 00:13:08,100 --> 00:13:12,900 initial test, where we switched literally switched the wallet 243 00:13:13,080 --> 00:13:18,120 from this podcast to the artists were playing so that all the 244 00:13:18,120 --> 00:13:21,150 stats that you're sending in in real time streaming or any 245 00:13:21,150 --> 00:13:24,150 boosts are then switched to the artists when the song ends, they 246 00:13:24,150 --> 00:13:25,560 switch back to us. 247 00:13:25,979 --> 00:13:27,929 Dave Jones: And yeah, so we which has been working because 248 00:13:27,929 --> 00:13:29,369 we've been driving people to the top. 249 00:13:29,489 --> 00:13:31,979 Adam Curry: Yes, we drove Joe Martin to the east number two 250 00:13:32,099 --> 00:13:36,209 after we sent rusty gate to the top. And now I picked us it's a 251 00:13:36,209 --> 00:13:41,099 little shorter today. But it's a it's a crazy song that even 252 00:13:41,099 --> 00:13:43,649 though it's in German, I think everybody will love singing 253 00:13:43,649 --> 00:13:47,189 along to it because you can sing along to this. And what's 254 00:13:47,189 --> 00:13:50,189 happening now is in real time only if you're using curio 255 00:13:50,189 --> 00:13:52,979 caster because no one else has implemented this and that's 256 00:13:52,979 --> 00:13:56,069 going to be kind of my next Ask is not necessarily for the for 257 00:13:56,069 --> 00:13:59,339 the live stuff. But man wouldn't it be nice if we could have one 258 00:13:59,339 --> 00:14:02,699 or two more apps that know how to switch over the value block? 259 00:14:03,239 --> 00:14:07,049 Ie switch the wallet to the artist? Because I'm ready I'm 260 00:14:07,109 --> 00:14:10,649 I'm ready to do a show. I mean I know I don't need another 261 00:14:10,649 --> 00:14:13,589 podcast in my life but I really need to do my music show I'm 262 00:14:13,589 --> 00:14:19,199 ready for it. So I don't know you know, the I know fountain is 263 00:14:19,199 --> 00:14:21,989 coming soon with with their lit capability people are already 264 00:14:21,989 --> 00:14:26,609 testing it. Pod verse does lit and if we can start adding this 265 00:14:26,609 --> 00:14:30,929 about this time value time split is that what we call it? Yes, 266 00:14:31,019 --> 00:14:34,619 value time split, which I know also involves the remote item 267 00:14:34,619 --> 00:14:39,329 being kind of semi formalized in the namespace. If but man if we 268 00:14:39,329 --> 00:14:44,669 can do that then crowd then we're I got I got DJs who have 269 00:14:44,699 --> 00:14:47,999 jobs who are like, I can't wait and then they already bring in 270 00:14:47,999 --> 00:14:52,859 artists on to their onboarding them into Wave lake. And they're 271 00:14:52,889 --> 00:14:56,069 helping them set it up so that they're available through the 272 00:14:56,069 --> 00:14:59,369 index and there's some good stuff coming. Some really good 273 00:14:59,369 --> 00:14:59,969 stuff. 274 00:15:00,000 --> 00:15:02,250 Dave Jones: Yeah, we I mean, this will be ready we can 275 00:15:02,250 --> 00:15:06,270 formalize this quick. I mean, like this will be ready to be 276 00:15:06,270 --> 00:15:08,460 rolled up remote item tags already going to be in in phase 277 00:15:08,460 --> 00:15:12,600 six, that'll be next month and then the value time split. 278 00:15:12,930 --> 00:15:15,630 That's mean, there's really no debate around that. That's a, 279 00:15:15,930 --> 00:15:20,820 that's just a thing that does what it does. So I think it's, I 280 00:15:20,820 --> 00:15:23,730 don't see I don't see any barrier. Okay, you know, what 281 00:15:23,730 --> 00:15:24,330 I'm saying? 282 00:15:24,420 --> 00:15:26,610 Adam Curry: Well, well, the barrier is everyone's busy. 283 00:15:26,640 --> 00:15:29,970 Everyone's everyone's doing stuff. So I know it's just one 284 00:15:29,970 --> 00:15:31,170 of those things. Normalization 285 00:15:31,170 --> 00:15:33,840 Dave Jones: is probably even people you know, that's never 286 00:15:33,840 --> 00:15:35,160 stopped Steven D. No, 287 00:15:35,190 --> 00:15:38,790 Adam Curry: no. Well, he and Alex basically came to me Alex 288 00:15:38,790 --> 00:15:42,060 wrote it up, and Steven just said, Screw it. I'm going to do 289 00:15:42,060 --> 00:15:46,590 it. Oh, screw it, I'm gonna do it. Alright, so he played this 290 00:15:46,590 --> 00:15:49,530 song it comes from the now I have some things simply what it 291 00:15:49,530 --> 00:15:52,740 is, well, let me tell you first what I'm doing. So I have on my 292 00:15:52,770 --> 00:15:56,940 on my launch dashboard. I've got the song and when I started 293 00:15:56,940 --> 00:16:03,240 recording the show I hit start sinking which as sy n c i n g 294 00:16:03,630 --> 00:16:09,270 not sinking like we're going below water although and so now 295 00:16:09,270 --> 00:16:15,660 the idea is when I start the song then I hit the sync button 296 00:16:16,080 --> 00:16:20,820 and that then switches out the value block for now this is from 297 00:16:20,820 --> 00:16:28,080 club rap. This is from the album club rap playlist. Now so I 298 00:16:28,080 --> 00:16:32,130 believe the name of the band is too bit to fail not too big to 299 00:16:32,130 --> 00:16:36,390 fail but too big to fail. And they're clearly German and this 300 00:16:36,390 --> 00:16:42,000 is the anthem money printer go burn enjoy everybody 301 00:16:43,560 --> 00:16:47,070 Unknown: money printing money printing money printing money 302 00:16:47,070 --> 00:16:51,210 printing money print money printable machine coefficient 303 00:16:52,140 --> 00:16:57,780 don't get on in Bitcoin as the feeder money money on the end to 304 00:16:57,780 --> 00:17:04,770 get in touch yet look at printed instantly Bolton was like god 305 00:17:07,410 --> 00:17:16,110 damn fool do you think of some Gallup Colton stock pumped up 306 00:17:16,110 --> 00:17:19,620 veteran fiat money accepted? Oh she's the human cup. Getting in 307 00:17:19,620 --> 00:17:22,770 Boston the foot dog blah And Kobach McAlinden Haley Haley 308 00:17:22,770 --> 00:17:27,210 Haley helicopter money printing, money printing, money printing 309 00:17:27,210 --> 00:17:30,720 money printing money printing money printing machine 310 00:17:31,110 --> 00:17:36,930 coefficient on Bitcoin money printing money printing, money 311 00:17:36,930 --> 00:17:40,440 printing money printing money printing demand your printer 312 00:17:40,440 --> 00:17:43,290 machine coefficient printer printer cost you to get on in 313 00:17:43,290 --> 00:17:49,860 Bitcoin monoprint hobbies into the stock swarm carbon monoprint 314 00:17:49,860 --> 00:17:53,730 up questionable behavior inconsistent throws coffee time 315 00:17:53,730 --> 00:17:58,590 clocks out Wi Fi custom coffee not your cup of tea muscle 316 00:17:58,590 --> 00:18:03,090 disordered monoprint Alloxan and to fly to brand China and flash 317 00:18:03,090 --> 00:18:08,310 bag and test crush life it is tough to test Clickbank motors 318 00:18:08,310 --> 00:18:12,360 excellent enhanced motors that keep me money print money out of 319 00:18:12,360 --> 00:18:18,240 thin air now the bazooka shows to hide shows it in hookah I 320 00:18:18,240 --> 00:18:21,810 invoke talks Brokenshire below two man hours of the machinery 321 00:18:23,280 --> 00:18:27,480 Martin fucking fiat money printing money printing money 322 00:18:27,480 --> 00:18:31,470 printing money printing money printing money printing machines 323 00:18:31,470 --> 00:18:35,370 like coefficient Satoshi some key on in Bitcoin money printing 324 00:18:35,940 --> 00:18:39,180 money printing money printing money printing money print on 325 00:18:40,230 --> 00:18:42,960 demand printer machine coefficient printer printer 326 00:18:42,960 --> 00:18:44,400 crushes okay all in Bitcoin 327 00:18:45,360 --> 00:18:47,970 Adam Curry: I think the point of the song is obvious 328 00:18:51,570 --> 00:18:54,240 Dave Jones: this song is awesome. I love this 329 00:18:54,240 --> 00:18:57,630 Adam Curry: song is great. It's good so it's killer. It's like 330 00:18:57,630 --> 00:18:59,880 the kindest thing you played October fest you know when 331 00:18:59,880 --> 00:19:04,950 you're all hammered you know? Boy money printer girl put her 332 00:19:04,950 --> 00:19:08,430 money printer go. I already know the hook. It's so beautiful. I 333 00:19:08,430 --> 00:19:08,820 love this. 334 00:19:10,170 --> 00:19:12,870 Dave Jones: Allah heard I heard something about a helicopter. 335 00:19:14,190 --> 00:19:16,800 Helicopter money printing money out of thin 336 00:19:16,800 --> 00:19:23,490 Adam Curry: air. Yeah. English in there. Okay. Now, you may 337 00:19:23,490 --> 00:19:26,850 want to keep using your curio Kassar because I did want to 338 00:19:26,850 --> 00:19:30,300 read an email and by the way, so I was looking when I hit this 339 00:19:30,300 --> 00:19:37,050 thing up on the on the value block. Everything happened by 340 00:19:37,050 --> 00:19:41,160 itself so all sudden, the song shows up. The remote value block 341 00:19:41,160 --> 00:19:46,350 shows up. The podcast or value block shows up with no because 342 00:19:46,350 --> 00:19:50,520 we still get 5% and then and because it knows the duration of 343 00:19:50,520 --> 00:19:55,620 the song. It it knows exactly when to stop sync. I think it 344 00:19:55,620 --> 00:19:59,850 knows when to stop syncing. So then it goes finished. It should 345 00:19:59,850 --> 00:20:03,450 just To automatically switch back to us I think I don't know. 346 00:20:05,339 --> 00:20:07,889 Dave Jones: Okay, because I was gonna I was about to boost it 347 00:20:08,219 --> 00:20:11,729 and and I don't know if it'll get to us or it no if 348 00:20:11,730 --> 00:20:14,790 Adam Curry: you boost it now it'd be you're too late now I 349 00:20:14,790 --> 00:20:19,020 think now Yeah, I'm pretty sure now it goes back to us and you 350 00:20:19,020 --> 00:20:21,060 know I need a third screen is what I need. 351 00:20:22,110 --> 00:20:23,460 Dave Jones: Do you need three monitors? Yeah, I 352 00:20:23,460 --> 00:20:26,010 Adam Curry: need a third monitor to be able to do all this good. 353 00:20:26,010 --> 00:20:30,390 We got a really nice note from Matt Bigelow. 354 00:20:30,960 --> 00:20:33,450 Dave Jones: Okay Steven basis it does not automatically switch 355 00:20:33,450 --> 00:20:33,960 back. Oh, how 356 00:20:33,960 --> 00:20:35,280 Adam Curry: do I stop as Steven B? 357 00:20:35,909 --> 00:20:39,449 Dave Jones: He said read refresh sovereignties refresh sovereign 358 00:20:39,449 --> 00:20:44,369 feeds I don't know he's it's this is this is confusing. 359 00:20:45,270 --> 00:20:48,960 Adam Curry: doesn't activate podcast and valuable okay. Oh, I 360 00:20:48,960 --> 00:20:53,610 see. So now just hit Activate podcast has value block. And now 361 00:20:53,610 --> 00:20:56,280 we're back to the podcaster value block. Okay. All right. 362 00:20:56,370 --> 00:20:59,430 Good. So we give them a little extra time their freebie okay. 363 00:20:59,670 --> 00:21:08,010 Oh, Stephen says it didn't work. It didn't fail. Oh no, it didn't 364 00:21:08,010 --> 00:21:11,760 work. He wants me to refresh sovereign feeds Okay, it's 365 00:21:11,760 --> 00:21:16,410 alright. It's alright. It's alright. Of course in the when 366 00:21:16,410 --> 00:21:21,870 we go to the the podcast version of the show, you can obviously 367 00:21:21,870 --> 00:21:24,660 if you're listening to that and you were boosting on sovereign 368 00:21:24,690 --> 00:21:28,710 and a curio caster it is going to that that part we know works. 369 00:21:29,280 --> 00:21:31,530 Dave Jones: Because it'll just happened after the fact now the 370 00:21:31,530 --> 00:21:33,600 live thing didn't did evidently didn't work. 371 00:21:33,630 --> 00:21:37,230 Adam Curry: Correct. Correct. Okay, so I'm back. Oh, I see. 372 00:21:37,470 --> 00:21:43,800 Here's we'll activate value. Oh, okay. Oh, I see what's going on. 373 00:21:44,190 --> 00:21:49,320 It's all right. Well, then let's do this. Since since that didn't 374 00:21:49,320 --> 00:21:52,950 work we'll do a piece of a second one. And then we got to 375 00:21:52,950 --> 00:21:54,660 get to our guests here in the boardroom because we're just 376 00:21:54,660 --> 00:21:55,560 being super rude. 377 00:21:57,270 --> 00:21:59,670 Dave Jones: Man Oh, no, we're not playing that he's enjoying 378 00:21:59,670 --> 00:22:00,210 the tunes. 379 00:22:01,770 --> 00:22:03,990 Adam Curry: We Okay, so I see what happened. I didn't have to 380 00:22:03,990 --> 00:22:06,630 activate he said I could do it with the sync button but I need 381 00:22:06,630 --> 00:22:09,870 to activate value block. All right, so we'll do it now for 382 00:22:09,870 --> 00:22:15,780 the second song. Matt Bigelow sent sent a note he says Thanks 383 00:22:15,780 --> 00:22:18,870 to Dave on episode 132 for mentoring my song fudge on wave 384 00:22:18,870 --> 00:22:22,590 Lake. You say he probably got all jacked like oh yeah, I gotta 385 00:22:22,590 --> 00:22:27,120 put my stop Nope. I'm a musician who has long hated Spotify and 386 00:22:27,120 --> 00:22:31,650 the rest because they make all the money and give artists likes 387 00:22:31,650 --> 00:22:36,630 and a dumb dashboard in return. Yeah. That sounds about right. 388 00:22:36,870 --> 00:22:40,170 You get likes you get likes. I wrote to you a couple of times 389 00:22:40,170 --> 00:22:43,500 about computer vision and tick tock and have produced a jingle 390 00:22:43,500 --> 00:22:47,250 and some Japan oriented clips in the past six years. So he really 391 00:22:47,250 --> 00:22:51,660 loves the idea of of having this in the in the value block and 392 00:22:51,660 --> 00:22:55,260 having it switch over the value time block. So I figure we'll 393 00:22:55,290 --> 00:22:58,560 play a little bit of his song fudge which you turned me on to 394 00:22:58,890 --> 00:23:03,000 and I have activated the value block so it seems like that is 395 00:23:03,000 --> 00:23:10,290 now working I hit the sync I think and if it worked 396 00:23:10,290 --> 00:23:12,480 Dave Jones: even said it's working they said the art 397 00:23:12,480 --> 00:23:14,850 changed the album marching Alright 398 00:23:14,880 --> 00:23:26,310 Adam Curry: here it is. This is Futch travel you need space oh 399 00:23:26,310 --> 00:23:33,030 yo man people most man live 400 00:23:41,490 --> 00:23:42,690 Unknown: shoot him is 401 00:23:53,940 --> 00:23:56,010 no person there we go 402 00:24:02,070 --> 00:24:10,020 Adam Curry: all right. Oh my goodness all right. So it seems 403 00:24:10,020 --> 00:24:11,430 like it works that time. 404 00:24:12,179 --> 00:24:15,689 Dave Jones: Let me see Yeah, I had my curio caster with muted 405 00:24:15,689 --> 00:24:20,339 tab up in the art the art switched oh really album art of 406 00:24:20,339 --> 00:24:20,879 the of the 407 00:24:21,930 --> 00:24:24,660 Adam Curry: badass now what can I do I switch this back Yeah, 408 00:24:24,660 --> 00:24:27,690 and I switch it back to okay now I'm understanding the launch 409 00:24:27,750 --> 00:24:32,820 dashboard too. Oh man. Okay, I got one have to pause syncing 410 00:24:32,820 --> 00:24:37,590 all that's all messed up now. All right. Wow. All right. This 411 00:24:37,590 --> 00:24:40,890 seems like we have a successful test. Very cool. For those of 412 00:24:40,890 --> 00:24:44,460 you not participating in this live test, please do that after 413 00:24:44,460 --> 00:24:48,240 the fact let's send one or both of these songs to the top with 414 00:24:48,240 --> 00:24:51,990 your booths that are really help and of course, we had to meet is 415 00:24:51,990 --> 00:25:01,650 popping in with 101010. Blaze only him All right, that's the 416 00:25:01,650 --> 00:25:03,810 experimental part of the show. I think we should bring in our 417 00:25:03,810 --> 00:25:06,540 guests or we can talk about all things podcasting to point out 418 00:25:06,540 --> 00:25:10,380 outside of the music. Would you please welcome from red circle 419 00:25:10,380 --> 00:25:13,260 co founder and overall head honcho ladies and gentlemen here 420 00:25:13,260 --> 00:25:19,950 in the boardroom. Mike. Kaiden. Sup? Sup, man, where you 421 00:25:19,950 --> 00:25:21,600 participating in the test? Did you 422 00:25:22,470 --> 00:25:24,750 Mike Kadin: know but I was listening and it was it was 423 00:25:24,750 --> 00:25:28,200 quite enjoyable. If you can play more ridiculous Bitcoin songs 424 00:25:28,200 --> 00:25:28,590 like that. 425 00:25:30,840 --> 00:25:36,180 Adam Curry: Trust me, there's a lot of that. That's quite the 426 00:25:36,180 --> 00:25:36,840 genre. 427 00:25:39,390 --> 00:25:42,810 Dave Jones: No, I was too busy cleaning up a chicken disaster 428 00:25:42,810 --> 00:25:46,890 before. I didn't have time to properly, properly say Hey, so 429 00:25:47,070 --> 00:25:47,850 what's up, Mike? 430 00:25:48,060 --> 00:25:49,080 Mike Kadin: What's up, man? How are you? 431 00:25:49,590 --> 00:25:54,990 Dave Jones: Good. Like you were. You were telling me? You sent me 432 00:25:54,990 --> 00:25:59,490 an email or like, Hey, I've got some dia dar chops. Let's talk. 433 00:25:59,520 --> 00:26:05,760 And so we're, you know, is the question. Well, red circle just 434 00:26:06,330 --> 00:26:09,180 rather than me tell everybody about red circle? Sure. Why 435 00:26:09,180 --> 00:26:11,040 don't you just lay it out first? 436 00:26:11,250 --> 00:26:13,440 Mike Kadin: Yeah, I mean, we're a we're a podcast hosting 437 00:26:13,440 --> 00:26:16,770 platform. But there's, as you know, there's 30 Of those, 438 00:26:16,770 --> 00:26:20,940 right? So what we do in specific is that we're really focused on 439 00:26:21,690 --> 00:26:24,630 helping podcasters that want to make money on their podcast, 440 00:26:24,630 --> 00:26:28,140 make money. And so we do that with ads. We do that with more 441 00:26:28,140 --> 00:26:30,450 typical payments, you know, credit card subscriptions, 442 00:26:30,450 --> 00:26:32,940 things like that. And then we have like a full featured 443 00:26:32,940 --> 00:26:36,000 hosting platform with some some cool tools, cross promotions, 444 00:26:36,000 --> 00:26:39,570 dynamic assertion, all that good stuff. So, you know, it's a 445 00:26:39,600 --> 00:26:43,230 monetization focused podcast hosting company. And so we do 446 00:26:43,230 --> 00:26:47,970 have our own homegrown dynamic insertion and stitching 447 00:26:47,970 --> 00:26:50,760 technology. So and I wrote, you know, I put myself in a dark 448 00:26:50,760 --> 00:26:54,690 hole back in 2018, and wrote all that. And so I'm, I'm a good 449 00:26:54,690 --> 00:26:56,970 dude to jam with. If you guys are trying to figure out how we 450 00:26:56,970 --> 00:26:59,160 can make these things all play nice together. Well, 451 00:26:59,190 --> 00:27:02,070 Adam Curry: let me ask right off the bat, since that you must 452 00:27:02,070 --> 00:27:04,680 have been early with the with the dynamic insertions. 453 00:27:05,520 --> 00:27:07,740 Mike Kadin: I think it existed. I mean, I came up with the idea 454 00:27:07,740 --> 00:27:10,020 myself thinking was brilliant. And then by the time I built it, 455 00:27:10,020 --> 00:27:12,360 I realized there was five or six other companies that could 456 00:27:12,360 --> 00:27:15,690 already do it. Because I didn't know anything about podcasting. 457 00:27:15,690 --> 00:27:19,080 At the time. I was just a listener. But yeah, you know, 458 00:27:19,080 --> 00:27:21,330 there's there's not a ton of companies that have their own 459 00:27:21,330 --> 00:27:24,120 technology for it, because it's not, you know, it's not for the 460 00:27:24,120 --> 00:27:24,750 faint of heart. 461 00:27:24,960 --> 00:27:27,000 Adam Curry: No, and I think that's probably what what, 462 00:27:27,060 --> 00:27:30,060 because I know, you do support transcripts. I bet, right? 463 00:27:30,419 --> 00:27:32,459 Mike Kadin: We do. But we don't, you know, I think we should talk 464 00:27:32,459 --> 00:27:34,889 about this today. But we don't like you know, dynamically 465 00:27:34,889 --> 00:27:37,559 adjust them. So it's, it's like a static file for now. 466 00:27:37,920 --> 00:27:40,740 Adam Curry: Okay, so when you have an insert, then it gets out 467 00:27:40,740 --> 00:27:42,330 of out of sync. 468 00:27:42,510 --> 00:27:45,090 Mike Kadin: That's right. And, you know, there's tons of 469 00:27:45,090 --> 00:27:47,460 podcasters that use red circle that don't do ads and don't do 470 00:27:47,460 --> 00:27:51,570 anything dynamic. So it'll work great for them. But yeah, we 471 00:27:51,570 --> 00:27:53,670 have some work to do. And I think the protocol has some work 472 00:27:53,670 --> 00:27:56,640 to do if we're going to be able to support it fully. How was the 473 00:27:56,640 --> 00:27:57,000 limit? Let 474 00:27:57,000 --> 00:27:58,080 Dave Jones: me go 475 00:27:58,080 --> 00:28:00,960 Adam Curry: ahead. No, please. No, please do I have been, I 476 00:28:00,960 --> 00:28:03,060 need to rest my pipes after that jam. 477 00:28:04,260 --> 00:28:09,000 Dave Jones: The so the, I think the first time I heard of red 478 00:28:09,000 --> 00:28:15,720 circle was when we had open the guy out of Nairobi on and he was 479 00:28:15,720 --> 00:28:19,440 talking about told us, right? He's right. Yeah, he's, uh, he 480 00:28:19,440 --> 00:28:21,810 used I don't know if he's still there. But he used red circle at 481 00:28:21,810 --> 00:28:27,090 the time. And he said that he had trouble getting like he he 482 00:28:27,090 --> 00:28:29,490 couldn't afford the hosting somewhere, wherever he was. And 483 00:28:29,490 --> 00:28:33,150 so he moved it to red circle. And he said the trade off with 484 00:28:33,150 --> 00:28:38,370 the free hosting with ads. We know ad programmatic was, was a 485 00:28:38,370 --> 00:28:43,290 good choice for him. And so then we in a menu net taught later, I 486 00:28:43,290 --> 00:28:50,160 guess, it's, it's great to have you the fact it's great. The 487 00:28:50,160 --> 00:28:54,090 fact that you rolled your own, because I feel like there's a 488 00:28:54,090 --> 00:29:00,870 dis there's a disconnect there. When when hosting companies that 489 00:29:00,870 --> 00:29:06,120 have that are using a third party for dynamic ad insertion. 490 00:29:06,690 --> 00:29:09,990 Discuss it, I mean, they I know they understand the technology, 491 00:29:10,140 --> 00:29:15,720 but you can talk about what the issues are from more 492 00:29:15,720 --> 00:29:16,980 authoritatively, I guess, 493 00:29:17,010 --> 00:29:20,100 Mike Kadin: I got the feed and and I'm byte for byte 494 00:29:20,100 --> 00:29:24,150 constructing these mp3 files on the fly. I can definitely tell 495 00:29:24,150 --> 00:29:24,840 you all about it. 496 00:29:25,230 --> 00:29:28,140 Dave Jones: Okay, so So tell me tell me like I guess first of 497 00:29:28,140 --> 00:29:31,320 all, let me just let me just though, something that you real 498 00:29:31,320 --> 00:29:35,490 quick. Sure. Is there a difference in your mind between 499 00:29:36,210 --> 00:29:39,900 some of these terminologies, which is programmatic versus da 500 00:29:39,900 --> 00:29:44,460 i dynamic ad insertion, like a no streaming ad insertion, then 501 00:29:44,460 --> 00:29:47,430 no, that's its own thing. But those two things, do you think 502 00:29:47,430 --> 00:29:48,750 those are equivalent terms? 503 00:29:49,020 --> 00:29:51,900 Mike Kadin: No. Okay. Um, so let me let me let me first of all, 504 00:29:51,900 --> 00:29:55,050 let me say this that, you know, we have a free tier on red 505 00:29:55,050 --> 00:29:57,870 circle that's free and very permissive, doesn't have any 506 00:29:57,870 --> 00:30:00,960 like, Episode limits and stuff like that. that, and you don't 507 00:30:00,960 --> 00:30:03,360 have to use our ads or anything like that either. It's just, uh, 508 00:30:03,690 --> 00:30:05,910 you can only have one podcast, that's the main restriction on 509 00:30:05,910 --> 00:30:07,830 our account set of having multiple podcasts, you can, you 510 00:30:07,830 --> 00:30:09,690 can only have one, if you use the free tier that's like the 511 00:30:09,690 --> 00:30:13,140 main, the main restriction. So it's a good option for people 512 00:30:13,140 --> 00:30:16,200 who like maybe don't want to use anchor or want some of the other 513 00:30:16,200 --> 00:30:19,200 tools that we have that they think are better as an 514 00:30:19,200 --> 00:30:22,740 alternative to anchor. But anyway, going back to sort of 515 00:30:22,740 --> 00:30:26,250 what the difference is. So first of all, like, forget about ads 516 00:30:26,250 --> 00:30:30,750 altogether for a second, the red circle, lets podcasters stitch 517 00:30:30,750 --> 00:30:35,520 together dynamic audio files of any type, right, so I'll give 518 00:30:35,520 --> 00:30:38,280 you a really good example, we have like a podcast on there, 519 00:30:38,280 --> 00:30:42,120 that's a tabletop RPG sort of podcast. So they have all these 520 00:30:42,120 --> 00:30:45,180 characters. It's like scripted stories and stuff. And then at 521 00:30:45,180 --> 00:30:48,870 the very end of every episode, they have like an outro, where 522 00:30:48,870 --> 00:30:52,470 they, you know, suggest you follow them on Patreon or go to 523 00:30:52,470 --> 00:30:55,380 their website or whatever. And they actually have like eight 524 00:30:55,380 --> 00:30:59,040 different versions of that outro recorded by the eight different 525 00:30:59,040 --> 00:31:03,750 characters. And every time you download that podcast, because 526 00:31:03,750 --> 00:31:07,140 we have like random as an option in our dynamic concert insertion 527 00:31:07,140 --> 00:31:10,620 configuration, you get a different outro at random of the 528 00:31:10,620 --> 00:31:14,130 eight, right? So and that's that's every single download 529 00:31:14,130 --> 00:31:15,960 that happens. We're sort of making that decision in the 530 00:31:15,960 --> 00:31:19,290 moment and giving you a stitch together podcast with that with 531 00:31:19,290 --> 00:31:22,140 that outro. And you can extend that and imagine like, yeah, 532 00:31:22,170 --> 00:31:25,230 various parts throughout the episode, whether it's ads, 533 00:31:25,230 --> 00:31:28,260 whether it's your own dynamic configuration, you know, we're 534 00:31:28,260 --> 00:31:30,720 stitching together a custom version of the episode every 535 00:31:30,720 --> 00:31:33,990 time a listener hits play. Does that make sense? Yeah. 536 00:31:34,470 --> 00:31:36,540 Dave Jones: Yeah, for sure. Yeah. So that's, that's, that's, 537 00:31:36,570 --> 00:31:41,460 that's. So that's done dynamic audio insertion, maybe? 538 00:31:41,730 --> 00:31:43,620 Mike Kadin: Yeah, I just call it dynamic search. That's just 539 00:31:43,620 --> 00:31:46,680 dynamic insertion, right? And podcasters tons of podcasters. 540 00:31:46,680 --> 00:31:48,930 Use that they don't do anything with ads, or they do that and 541 00:31:48,930 --> 00:31:52,530 they do their own ads host read, and they use our tools to put 542 00:31:52,530 --> 00:31:55,170 them in and out. And they don't have anything, we're not part of 543 00:31:55,170 --> 00:31:57,810 the value chain of that or anything. It's just their own 544 00:31:57,840 --> 00:32:02,070 dynamic audio configuration, right. And then if you want you 545 00:32:02,070 --> 00:32:05,430 can intersperse like red circles, both programmatic 546 00:32:05,430 --> 00:32:08,040 advertising demand, then we do our own, like host read 547 00:32:08,040 --> 00:32:11,640 advertising in an automated way as well. And so like, you can 548 00:32:11,640 --> 00:32:16,020 say, like, run my ad that I'm running for my like mastermind 549 00:32:16,020 --> 00:32:19,470 group, or my, you know, my book that I'm selling, and once that 550 00:32:19,470 --> 00:32:21,840 hits 10,000 impressions, and I don't want to bother my audience 551 00:32:21,840 --> 00:32:24,060 with it anymore. I'm gonna fall back to like, whatever 552 00:32:24,060 --> 00:32:26,280 programmatic ads are out there in the market and red circle 553 00:32:26,280 --> 00:32:28,620 does all that like decisioning and stitching, again, like on 554 00:32:28,620 --> 00:32:29,010 the fly. 555 00:32:30,210 --> 00:32:32,010 Dave Jones: Okay, so the programmatic the programmatic 556 00:32:32,010 --> 00:32:36,600 advertising insertion stuff, then does that come from your 557 00:32:36,600 --> 00:32:41,040 own internal, like, DSP type thing? Or are you are you 558 00:32:41,070 --> 00:32:45,420 calling out to a third party to get to at both? Yeah, 559 00:32:45,810 --> 00:32:47,460 Mike Kadin: we have like the third party stuff, and then we 560 00:32:47,460 --> 00:32:49,980 do our own like host read thing, which is very similar to like a 561 00:32:49,980 --> 00:32:50,550 DSP. 562 00:32:51,120 --> 00:32:53,430 Dave Jones: Okay, so you may be you may be calling out to grab 563 00:32:53,430 --> 00:32:56,520 the ad audio, but you're but you're stitching it in house, 564 00:32:56,580 --> 00:32:58,680 Mike Kadin: correct? Yeah. But but not a lot of people are 565 00:32:58,680 --> 00:33:02,100 doing all those things. Yeah. Okay. All right. 566 00:33:02,940 --> 00:33:08,490 Adam Curry: When we did when we had pod show in 2006 2007. And I 567 00:33:08,490 --> 00:33:10,290 don't think anyone has done this, because he had all the 568 00:33:10,290 --> 00:33:13,170 technologies there, we did something called the golden 569 00:33:13,170 --> 00:33:17,580 ticket. And we gave away five golden tickets at random. And so 570 00:33:17,580 --> 00:33:20,670 what would happen was, that would be a specific spot within 571 00:33:20,700 --> 00:33:24,270 within the show, and five people out of the you know, whatever, 572 00:33:24,330 --> 00:33:27,930 how many 10,000 downloaded the show would here then all sudden, 573 00:33:27,930 --> 00:33:30,660 you've got a golden ticket? That's cool. Has anyone done 574 00:33:30,660 --> 00:33:32,790 anything like that? Because I've always wanted to see that come 575 00:33:32,790 --> 00:33:34,770 back. I thought that was a fun thing that we did, then. 576 00:33:35,160 --> 00:33:36,990 Mike Kadin: I don't think we could support that. Because 577 00:33:37,020 --> 00:33:39,990 unless it was the first five downloads, but But yeah, I would 578 00:33:39,990 --> 00:33:42,690 say the coolest and most creative thing I've seen is a 579 00:33:42,690 --> 00:33:46,590 guy that basically has like, a choose your own adventure story 580 00:33:46,590 --> 00:33:50,100 podcast. Go okay. Yeah. It's not really choose because you don't 581 00:33:50,100 --> 00:33:52,470 actively choose it. But basically every download like 582 00:33:52,470 --> 00:33:54,810 mixes and matches different different versions of the 583 00:33:54,810 --> 00:33:58,560 chapters of this pod and of this story. Well, you say, that 584 00:33:58,560 --> 00:33:58,950 hurts. 585 00:34:01,770 --> 00:34:03,090 Dave Jones: It's like a knife in the gun. 586 00:34:03,120 --> 00:34:05,910 Adam Curry: Oh, it's just like, yeah, exactly. Thank you. Nice. 587 00:34:05,910 --> 00:34:07,680 Me. It's okay. I'll get over it. I'll get over. 588 00:34:08,550 --> 00:34:11,670 Mike Kadin: I come from like the traditional tech industry. And I 589 00:34:11,670 --> 00:34:14,640 remember like a year ago, you guys like totally ripped the 590 00:34:14,640 --> 00:34:18,600 Facebook product manager on the show, like desperately trying to 591 00:34:18,600 --> 00:34:23,760 avoid learnings or some buzzword that you guys are? A little bit 592 00:34:23,760 --> 00:34:25,650 in? It's okay, hopefully I'll make it out. Okay, 593 00:34:25,679 --> 00:34:30,179 Adam Curry: it's okay. Sorry about that. It's like Pavlov's 594 00:34:30,179 --> 00:34:31,439 dog and I can't stop myself. 595 00:34:32,550 --> 00:34:37,800 Dave Jones: So you're so your red circle is in the podcast 596 00:34:37,800 --> 00:34:42,750 Standards Project. Okay, right. Am I've got that right. You're a 597 00:34:42,750 --> 00:34:46,830 member. Okay. So, so you so we have now established your boat, 598 00:34:46,830 --> 00:34:51,300 your bona fides where you can't you are you are in house, 599 00:34:51,690 --> 00:34:55,950 baking, dynamic ad insertion or dynamic audio insertion, and you 600 00:34:55,950 --> 00:34:59,700 are also a member of the podcast Andrews project. Now tell us why 601 00:34:59,700 --> 00:35:01,080 it's all All broken and it won't work. 602 00:35:03,449 --> 00:35:05,849 Adam Curry: And Dave, you asked the question, that's so cool, 603 00:35:05,849 --> 00:35:06,839 man, I appreciate that. 604 00:35:07,439 --> 00:35:10,049 Mike Kadin: This is like one of those. The way I want to frame 605 00:35:10,049 --> 00:35:11,339 this for you guys, it's like, Have you ever had the 606 00:35:11,339 --> 00:35:13,439 experience? You're listening to a podcast? And you're like, 607 00:35:13,589 --> 00:35:15,719 doing the dishes or mowing the lawn or whatever? And you find 608 00:35:15,719 --> 00:35:19,529 yourself kind of like, yelling to nobody about what the people 609 00:35:19,529 --> 00:35:21,479 are saying on the VA? No, no, not how it works. 610 00:35:23,820 --> 00:35:26,520 Dave Jones: Yep, that's what booster for? Yes, 611 00:35:26,579 --> 00:35:29,699 Mike Kadin: I know. I got it. I got a fire fountain backup. But, 612 00:35:29,909 --> 00:35:32,369 but yeah, so so I've been having that experience for the last 613 00:35:32,369 --> 00:35:35,039 little bit. Let me just try to break it down. So you guys get 614 00:35:35,039 --> 00:35:39,629 it right, every single download we do is unique to that specific 615 00:35:39,659 --> 00:35:42,689 listener, right, that that specific time that listener hit 616 00:35:42,689 --> 00:35:46,949 play, we are constructing that audio file dynamically. For each 617 00:35:46,949 --> 00:35:50,639 specific download. I think we just covered that before. If we 618 00:35:50,639 --> 00:35:54,749 had, what we have now is we have a URL in the feed that's shared 619 00:35:54,749 --> 00:36:00,359 across all downloads for, for the transcripts and for for 620 00:36:00,359 --> 00:36:05,129 chapters, right. And because the feed is the same across all 621 00:36:05,129 --> 00:36:08,219 downloads, but the download itself is where we do all this 622 00:36:08,219 --> 00:36:11,459 dynamic stitching on each individual download the fact 623 00:36:11,459 --> 00:36:13,679 that one's kind of at the feed level. And the other is that the 624 00:36:13,679 --> 00:36:16,739 download level is that is the fundamental sort of disconnect. 625 00:36:16,769 --> 00:36:21,179 And that causes this problem. Now we all get a little bit 626 00:36:21,179 --> 00:36:25,649 technical, right? So when you hit play on on a an episode, 627 00:36:25,649 --> 00:36:28,379 right, you're gonna hit that enclosure URL and download the 628 00:36:28,379 --> 00:36:32,999 file. But like most apps, you know, do that in a couple 629 00:36:32,999 --> 00:36:36,059 chunks, right? So we do have to like, like, they'll they'll make 630 00:36:36,059 --> 00:36:38,969 range requests for the first 100 Bytes, the next 1000, and so on, 631 00:36:38,969 --> 00:36:42,089 right? So we do have to like, hold on to something about 632 00:36:42,089 --> 00:36:46,019 streaming, not downloading. Yeah, most of the apps are going 633 00:36:46,019 --> 00:36:48,149 to do progressive downloading, right, they're going to they're 634 00:36:48,149 --> 00:36:50,099 going to, they're going to request it in a bunch of chunks. 635 00:36:50,099 --> 00:36:54,419 That's the way most of the apps do it. And so because of that, 636 00:36:54,419 --> 00:36:57,629 we already have to, like persist and say like, if you if you ask 637 00:36:57,629 --> 00:37:00,869 me for the same episode twice, in like five minutes, I'm going 638 00:37:00,869 --> 00:37:03,719 to make sure that episode comes back with the very same 639 00:37:04,169 --> 00:37:06,239 stitching. Otherwise, if you asked me for the first half, and 640 00:37:06,239 --> 00:37:08,129 the second half, and I put in different ads and stuff, 641 00:37:08,159 --> 00:37:10,739 everything's gonna get messed up and offset, there'll be funky 642 00:37:10,739 --> 00:37:13,619 spots in the middle where we, where we are out of sync. Does 643 00:37:13,619 --> 00:37:14,309 that make sense? 644 00:37:14,909 --> 00:37:17,759 Dave Jones: Yeah, so that's and that's across all download 645 00:37:17,759 --> 00:37:21,509 requests. That's not like so you have you have a understand what 646 00:37:21,509 --> 00:37:24,479 you're saying. This is good. This is good. By the way, to 647 00:37:24,479 --> 00:37:28,229 understand what you're saying. You have a let's just say five 648 00:37:28,229 --> 00:37:29,789 minutes sliding window. 649 00:37:30,809 --> 00:37:34,979 Mike Kadin: Across all the downloads for a specific URL, 650 00:37:35,159 --> 00:37:39,449 no, for specify a specific enclosure URL? No, it's It's 651 00:37:39,449 --> 00:37:42,719 tied specifically to the user who puts the IP address the user 652 00:37:42,719 --> 00:37:46,049 agent that requested it, and it's 24 hours for us. So if you 653 00:37:46,049 --> 00:37:49,109 ask me for a file, I'm going to stick something together for 654 00:37:49,109 --> 00:37:51,899 you. If you ask me for that same file five minutes later from the 655 00:37:51,899 --> 00:37:54,179 same IP and the same user agent, I'm going to give you back the 656 00:37:54,179 --> 00:37:57,479 same the same one, regardless of what byte range of the file 657 00:37:57,479 --> 00:37:57,929 you're asking. 658 00:37:57,960 --> 00:38:03,240 Dave Jones: Okay, so Okay, so if it's a so if it's an IP address 659 00:38:03,270 --> 00:38:10,290 that happens to be net for an office of 5000 people doesn't 660 00:38:10,290 --> 00:38:11,910 matter, you're still getting that same? Yeah, 661 00:38:11,940 --> 00:38:14,340 Mike Kadin: those those will will, you know, that's that's 662 00:38:14,340 --> 00:38:16,350 that we won't treat those as unique downloads, because that's 663 00:38:16,350 --> 00:38:18,870 kind of how the IB decides it. And then also, we'll serve the 664 00:38:18,870 --> 00:38:20,280 same content to all those people. 665 00:38:20,520 --> 00:38:23,190 Adam Curry: All right, now, I have a business question. Sure. 666 00:38:24,840 --> 00:38:30,540 Does this make any money for you? And how and how I mean, so 667 00:38:30,570 --> 00:38:35,400 this is kind of unclear to me. I think some, some hosts, they 668 00:38:35,430 --> 00:38:39,270 just leave it all up to an ad network. And they outsource 669 00:38:39,270 --> 00:38:42,840 that, and they might get a piece of it. If you do that. I mean, 670 00:38:42,840 --> 00:38:46,500 so do you sell the ads? Do you have another network selling for 671 00:38:46,500 --> 00:38:48,720 you? How does that all fit together? 672 00:38:48,929 --> 00:38:52,289 Mike Kadin: Yeah, we have our own in house ad sales team and 673 00:38:52,499 --> 00:38:54,869 the programmatic world. We're connected to a bunch of source 674 00:38:54,869 --> 00:38:57,239 of demand that just sort of comes into us from those 675 00:38:57,299 --> 00:39:01,379 vendors, sales teams. And yeah, you know, we are we are a 676 00:39:01,379 --> 00:39:05,309 profitable business. We've been around for five years we got out 677 00:39:05,339 --> 00:39:07,709 I'll save the numbers for another conversation. But, you 678 00:39:07,709 --> 00:39:09,749 know, millions and millions of dollars we paid out to 679 00:39:09,749 --> 00:39:10,919 podcasters over the years. 680 00:39:11,820 --> 00:39:16,080 Adam Curry: What? Millions and millions. Yeah. Oh, that's 681 00:39:16,080 --> 00:39:22,080 pretty good. And have you seen a decline? As everyone claims that 682 00:39:22,080 --> 00:39:26,850 thing? Well, actually, the pod podcast, industrial complex 683 00:39:26,850 --> 00:39:31,140 press as everything is doubled and tripled will be $15 billion. 684 00:39:32,010 --> 00:39:35,130 By the time my mike my grandchildren are in college. 685 00:39:35,970 --> 00:39:39,360 But have you seen a decline year over year? Seems like in 686 00:39:39,360 --> 00:39:42,000 general, that's what I'm hearing from the advertising market. 687 00:39:42,570 --> 00:39:45,570 Mike Kadin: Yeah, I think the programmatic demand in general 688 00:39:45,570 --> 00:39:49,020 is, is a little weak. And that just kind of flowing with the 689 00:39:49,020 --> 00:39:52,470 overall I think investment in advertising from all the big 690 00:39:52,470 --> 00:39:55,590 codes that are out there putting money into into programmatic. 691 00:39:56,400 --> 00:39:58,680 You know, we've been able to grow, but that's because we're 692 00:39:58,680 --> 00:40:01,620 such a small slice of a Very large pie. I know you don't 693 00:40:01,620 --> 00:40:03,690 believe it's billions and billions but it's it's 694 00:40:03,690 --> 00:40:06,270 definitely a lot bigger than what we're doing. So I'm 695 00:40:06,270 --> 00:40:08,220 Adam Curry: happy for you. I'm gonna believe me. I'm happy. I 696 00:40:08,220 --> 00:40:11,220 want everyone to make money. And speaking of that, for one 697 00:40:11,220 --> 00:40:20,310 moment, please, oh. Only Impala when we get a 444,444. Satoshi 698 00:40:20,310 --> 00:40:25,440 booths, we got to interrupt. Oh, that was Martin's Martin. That's 699 00:40:25,440 --> 00:40:28,680 right from his very own pod friend. 700 00:40:29,159 --> 00:40:30,989 Dave Jones: He's stress testing it, what 701 00:40:31,949 --> 00:40:35,819 Adam Curry: is stress tested? We'll read his a as a long boost 702 00:40:35,819 --> 00:40:37,949 in a moment, we'll read the boosting ground later, just need 703 00:40:37,949 --> 00:40:41,429 to stop and say thank you. And yes, we got it, Martin. Well, 704 00:40:41,429 --> 00:40:44,879 this is very interesting, because I if anything, I thought 705 00:40:44,879 --> 00:40:49,649 the I thought that programmatic was really just not working all 706 00:40:49,649 --> 00:40:52,739 that well. But you're seeing your experiences, it is 707 00:40:53,609 --> 00:40:55,979 certainly at scale. I'm sure how many you can you give us an 708 00:40:55,979 --> 00:41:01,739 indication how many people are using dai on how many feeds are 709 00:41:01,739 --> 00:41:02,819 inserting ads? 710 00:41:03,300 --> 00:41:06,030 Mike Kadin: Yeah, we have a little about 1100 podcasters 711 00:41:06,030 --> 00:41:07,170 that we monetize right now. 712 00:41:07,650 --> 00:41:11,310 Dave Jones: Okay. All right. Yeah. So that then when you when 713 00:41:11,310 --> 00:41:15,810 you say that you live in 100, that you monetize that. So 714 00:41:15,810 --> 00:41:20,730 that's 1100. And then everybody else is on some sort of free 715 00:41:20,730 --> 00:41:21,720 plan is that 716 00:41:22,409 --> 00:41:24,869 Mike Kadin: we have free plans. And then we have like regular 717 00:41:24,869 --> 00:41:27,989 paid plans, just depends on what Oh, you do have paid plans? Oh, 718 00:41:27,989 --> 00:41:28,319 yeah, no, 719 00:41:28,320 --> 00:41:30,180 Adam Curry: they definitely have the paid plans. Yeah. What do 720 00:41:30,180 --> 00:41:31,920 you what do you get extra for the paid plan? 721 00:41:33,000 --> 00:41:34,710 Mike Kadin: Just some better analytics stuff. You can have 722 00:41:34,710 --> 00:41:37,890 multiple podcasts per account. The dynamic stitching, if you're 723 00:41:37,890 --> 00:41:40,230 not using ADS is behind our paywall. So if you want to 724 00:41:40,230 --> 00:41:42,960 stitch in your own ads, you want to get stuff like that, then you 725 00:41:42,960 --> 00:41:46,050 have to pay. But it's a pretty permissive free tier. But you 726 00:41:46,050 --> 00:41:48,360 know, it's sort of the the monetization part is 727 00:41:48,360 --> 00:41:50,910 disconnected from whether you're paying us that's like related to 728 00:41:50,910 --> 00:41:53,220 other features, you can be on the free plan. In fact, our 729 00:41:53,220 --> 00:41:55,590 biggest podcasts are making the most money is on the free plan. 730 00:41:55,650 --> 00:41:59,280 Adam Curry: And and do you reserve the right to put ads 731 00:41:59,310 --> 00:42:00,600 into the free plans? 732 00:42:01,439 --> 00:42:03,149 Mike Kadin: No, we don't, we're never going to put ads unless 733 00:42:03,149 --> 00:42:08,309 we're paying you. Right? That's not the model. Okay. And you 734 00:42:08,309 --> 00:42:10,859 know, right now, and I don't see this changing, we're not going 735 00:42:10,859 --> 00:42:13,769 to like force anybody to monetize this. That doesn't seem 736 00:42:13,769 --> 00:42:14,009 right. 737 00:42:14,310 --> 00:42:19,020 Adam Curry: There was pod news had that pod news database blew 738 00:42:19,020 --> 00:42:22,140 up, which was I'm so happy and not because I'm happy for James. 739 00:42:23,130 --> 00:42:26,310 Well, let me explain. Let me explain. I'm happy because he 740 00:42:26,310 --> 00:42:28,680 when he when he fixed the database, I started getting 741 00:42:28,680 --> 00:42:32,490 emails again. And you know, and for some reason, we weren't sure 742 00:42:32,490 --> 00:42:36,210 if it was my, whatever was happening, my email address was 743 00:42:36,210 --> 00:42:39,030 getting blocked somewhere, whether it was my server 744 00:42:39,030 --> 00:42:41,820 blocking him or something on his end, blocking me, whatever, it 745 00:42:41,820 --> 00:42:45,060 cleared it out. So that's when he did a reboot, it did or 746 00:42:45,060 --> 00:42:47,790 something happened. And I started getting the pod news 747 00:42:47,790 --> 00:42:49,980 again, I'm very happy. So I appreciate that James, and I, of 748 00:42:49,980 --> 00:42:52,530 course, appreciate what you went through. I've had those morning 749 00:42:52,530 --> 00:42:57,660 wake up calls, no doubt. And so the podcast Business News news, 750 00:42:57,870 --> 00:43:01,860 had an interview, which is now also part of the James Cridland 751 00:43:01,860 --> 00:43:05,670 Empire, which is very incendiary. And I want to share 752 00:43:05,670 --> 00:43:08,640 this with you and get your response. This was from Patrick 753 00:43:08,640 --> 00:43:13,590 Hill, CEO and co founder or founder of dystopia. And you can 754 00:43:13,590 --> 00:43:16,740 read the full interview and podcast Business Journal today. 755 00:43:17,010 --> 00:43:20,670 He says, quote, right now, the podcast industry is growing from 756 00:43:20,670 --> 00:43:24,330 a copycat standpoint, instead of from innovation. The industry 757 00:43:24,330 --> 00:43:27,570 doesn't grow from every single company doing the same thing. 758 00:43:27,930 --> 00:43:28,860 Your response? 759 00:43:32,340 --> 00:43:34,500 Mike Kadin: Well, I think what you said before, I want to 760 00:43:34,500 --> 00:43:36,480 preface with and say the same thing, which is that I want 761 00:43:36,480 --> 00:43:40,260 everybody, I'm very happy to see as many people as possible make 762 00:43:40,260 --> 00:43:43,200 money with either their business or their podcasts in the space. 763 00:43:43,200 --> 00:43:46,230 So I'm going to preface with that. But I think there are like 764 00:43:46,230 --> 00:43:49,470 multiple business models that exist from podcast hosting 765 00:43:49,470 --> 00:43:52,560 companies. And you know, there's there's anchors, which doesn't 766 00:43:52,560 --> 00:43:57,090 have one, and it's my favorite. That's just, that's just real, 767 00:43:57,300 --> 00:44:00,960 but they're definitely losing money. But the and then there's 768 00:44:00,960 --> 00:44:04,830 like companies like ours that are focused on monetizing and 769 00:44:04,830 --> 00:44:07,530 making money that way. And then there's a lot more companies 770 00:44:07,530 --> 00:44:10,830 that are primarily focused on you know, software as a service 771 00:44:10,830 --> 00:44:14,790 revenue by charging podcasters tend to $20 a month, right? And 772 00:44:14,820 --> 00:44:18,330 those businesses are all competing for a relatively 773 00:44:18,330 --> 00:44:21,240 static pie. Right? There's, there's not there's not 774 00:44:21,240 --> 00:44:24,300 bajillions of new podcasters showing up anymore. There was 775 00:44:24,300 --> 00:44:26,280 some of that in the beginning of the pandemic, but not so much 776 00:44:26,280 --> 00:44:28,800 anymore. And so yeah, they all have to kind of chase each 777 00:44:28,800 --> 00:44:32,400 other's bells and whistles and compete on price and it's a 778 00:44:32,400 --> 00:44:34,920 tough game, but it's hard to do all that and then also be 779 00:44:34,920 --> 00:44:36,600 innovative, right? Yeah. 780 00:44:36,630 --> 00:44:40,800 Adam Curry: Interesting, because I saw on on red charcoal, like 781 00:44:40,800 --> 00:44:43,740 everyone else, I think does. It's never been easier to take 782 00:44:43,740 --> 00:44:48,870 your business away from the other guy and join us, sir. It 783 00:44:48,870 --> 00:44:52,560 seems like that goes on a lot. I just you know, I hear the tally 784 00:44:52,560 --> 00:44:55,710 on pod news. Like you know, Bo, there's 4000 and I know that 785 00:44:55,710 --> 00:44:58,560 they the 4000 new podcasters this week had to come from 786 00:44:58,560 --> 00:45:01,740 somewhere. So they probably came from another host. Is there a 787 00:45:01,740 --> 00:45:04,560 lot of this switching? And is that mainly on price? Or is it 788 00:45:04,560 --> 00:45:07,290 sometimes features? What what is the main reason people switch 789 00:45:07,290 --> 00:45:08,340 from host to host? 790 00:45:09,210 --> 00:45:11,070 Mike Kadin: I'm probably not the you should ask the Buzzsprout. 791 00:45:11,070 --> 00:45:13,470 Guys that because I feel like they'll probably have a better 792 00:45:13,470 --> 00:45:17,100 picture of it, we tend to focus on, you know, because we focus 793 00:45:17,100 --> 00:45:19,680 on like, making money through through ads and through 794 00:45:19,680 --> 00:45:23,700 payments, you know, we tend to focus on like larger podcasters, 795 00:45:23,700 --> 00:45:27,510 which is a smaller set than then the overall podcast or user 796 00:45:27,510 --> 00:45:31,440 base. So we kind of Yeah, we still there are hobbyists that 797 00:45:31,440 --> 00:45:35,370 have 100 listeners and convinced 20 of them to pay $10 a month, 798 00:45:35,370 --> 00:45:37,200 and that's still a great customer for us, and we'd love 799 00:45:37,200 --> 00:45:41,370 to have them. So I don't know if hobbyists is the right term, but 800 00:45:41,370 --> 00:45:43,410 it's either like they have to have a committed audience or 801 00:45:43,410 --> 00:45:45,510 they like a very committed audience that wants to throw 802 00:45:45,510 --> 00:45:49,380 money at the Creator, which, which like yours, or, or they're 803 00:45:49,380 --> 00:45:52,590 large enough to be interested in advertising. And so our user 804 00:45:52,590 --> 00:45:55,260 base just a little different. And yeah, we do mostly grow by 805 00:45:55,260 --> 00:45:58,140 plucking folks from other hosting companies, but I suspect 806 00:45:58,140 --> 00:46:00,630 a lot of the hosting companies are happy to see them go because 807 00:46:00,630 --> 00:46:03,510 they're the larger podcasts with the larger bandwidth bills, and 808 00:46:03,690 --> 00:46:06,570 they're still paying the same 9099 There's this guy with his 809 00:46:06,570 --> 00:46:08,010 five downloads, this is always 810 00:46:08,009 --> 00:46:10,799 Adam Curry: bugged me about the hosting model is when you get a 811 00:46:10,799 --> 00:46:14,279 successful podcast, it's actually bad for your business. 812 00:46:14,579 --> 00:46:17,969 It's so weird, and, and so now I'm gonna make my pitch to you, 813 00:46:17,969 --> 00:46:21,119 because we'd love to see you do a lot more with value for value. 814 00:46:21,119 --> 00:46:25,019 And just as an example, this show gives 10% to sovereign 815 00:46:25,019 --> 00:46:28,289 feeds for all intents and purposes, our hosting company, 816 00:46:28,949 --> 00:46:34,199 because sovereign feeds creates the feed in essence, now we have 817 00:46:34,199 --> 00:46:38,219 our own our own actual storage. So you know, that doesn't hurt 818 00:46:38,219 --> 00:46:42,389 Steven B. But, you know, on this on this episode alone, yeah, we 819 00:46:42,389 --> 00:46:45,119 have dedicated listeners, but it's not very big. But we have a 820 00:46:45,119 --> 00:46:48,209 community. And you would have made more from this show from 821 00:46:48,209 --> 00:46:52,649 this one episode than you would from us as a paying $20 A month 822 00:46:52,679 --> 00:46:53,669 customer. Sure, 823 00:46:53,700 --> 00:46:56,880 Mike Kadin: right. Yeah, I mean, I am super interested in it. 824 00:46:56,910 --> 00:46:59,490 When you guys were originally kind of forming it, I went a 825 00:46:59,490 --> 00:47:02,310 little bit nuts. And I spun up my own server, and I had my own 826 00:47:02,310 --> 00:47:04,410 lightning node going, I think that's all between. 827 00:47:05,070 --> 00:47:05,790 Adam Curry: Now that's dead. 828 00:47:07,980 --> 00:47:10,380 Mike Kadin: I stopped paying attention to it, and it died. 829 00:47:11,040 --> 00:47:14,490 Like a certificate expired. And I think I lost a couple 100 830 00:47:14,490 --> 00:47:15,960 bucks somewhere on that machine. 831 00:47:16,260 --> 00:47:18,720 Dave Jones: It's like a chia pet. If you don't, you're gonna 832 00:47:18,720 --> 00:47:20,460 come back and it's gonna be yellow. Yes. 833 00:47:21,510 --> 00:47:24,540 Mike Kadin: That's exactly what happened. I hope it was, I think 834 00:47:24,540 --> 00:47:27,120 it was just a couple 100 bucks, but maybe I can still recover it 835 00:47:27,120 --> 00:47:30,810 anyway, I think it's really interesting. And I mean, that 836 00:47:30,840 --> 00:47:34,110 authentically, I've put my own time into understanding the 837 00:47:34,110 --> 00:47:38,370 technology and a pretty deep level. And I think it's awesome. 838 00:47:38,430 --> 00:47:41,310 And I think like, like many things, I have a relatively 839 00:47:41,310 --> 00:47:44,160 small group of engineers, we have to be really choosy about 840 00:47:44,160 --> 00:47:48,930 the things we pick. And, you know, I, I haven't seen, I can't 841 00:47:48,930 --> 00:47:52,200 be the first movers, just given the size of my business and how 842 00:47:52,200 --> 00:47:54,210 much we have to focus on the things that currently make us 843 00:47:54,210 --> 00:47:58,290 money. But I can totally see us, you know, doing more than just 844 00:47:58,290 --> 00:48:01,650 like making it possible to paste in a lightning address. But, you 845 00:48:01,650 --> 00:48:05,760 know, also helping podcasters sort of, you know, the original 846 00:48:05,760 --> 00:48:08,370 idea I had was to just let me set up a node with my own custom 847 00:48:08,370 --> 00:48:10,980 keys and just, you know, collect it for podcasters and pay them 848 00:48:10,980 --> 00:48:13,770 out the way I'd pay them out for ads. Right. And if I did that, I 849 00:48:13,770 --> 00:48:16,290 could turn it on for 1000 podcasts, you know, with with 850 00:48:16,290 --> 00:48:20,430 one button or something like that I think could be in our 851 00:48:20,430 --> 00:48:22,890 future is a question of like, how much how much, you know, how 852 00:48:22,890 --> 00:48:25,560 much can can red circle make for the amount of engineering 853 00:48:25,560 --> 00:48:27,540 investment and like I said, we're quite different from the 854 00:48:27,540 --> 00:48:30,330 others, we don't necessarily have to compete as much on who 855 00:48:30,330 --> 00:48:33,840 has the most bells and whistles as some of the other guys. But 856 00:48:33,840 --> 00:48:36,330 like, at some point in the future, we will do it. It's just 857 00:48:36,330 --> 00:48:38,850 a question of when and I think that's just about sort of, we 858 00:48:38,850 --> 00:48:40,860 want to be an early enough so that we get to be a part of 859 00:48:41,070 --> 00:48:43,560 growing it. But also not too early, where, you know, we have 860 00:48:43,560 --> 00:48:45,990 to invest, you know, months of engineering time and don't 861 00:48:45,990 --> 00:48:47,670 expect to see much dollars. On the other side. 862 00:48:47,909 --> 00:48:51,629 Adam Curry: I got an email from Erica corn, bla, corn, blah, 863 00:48:51,869 --> 00:48:57,089 corn, blah, car and do you h kornblum which of course was and 864 00:48:57,119 --> 00:48:59,849 by the way, I'm one of those guys who loves having his email 865 00:48:59,849 --> 00:49:02,579 address in the feed because I'd get all these interesting emails 866 00:49:02,879 --> 00:49:07,109 with you. And so I want to read this and then we'll laugh about 867 00:49:07,109 --> 00:49:10,739 it and then I'll ask you about this. Hi there. Couldn't even 868 00:49:10,739 --> 00:49:14,009 couldn't even plug in my first name. My name is Erica, I work 869 00:49:14,009 --> 00:49:17,099 on a team at YouTube that helps podcast launch and grow on our 870 00:49:17,099 --> 00:49:19,919 platform. I would love to partner with you and your team 871 00:49:19,919 --> 00:49:23,549 on building out your YouTube presence. We recently launched 872 00:49:23,549 --> 00:49:25,799 some really incredible new podcast features on the 873 00:49:25,799 --> 00:49:29,849 platform. Can we chat next week to further discuss good English? 874 00:49:30,059 --> 00:49:33,119 Let me know let me know some days and times that would work 875 00:49:33,119 --> 00:49:35,549 best hope to speak soon. Cheers, Erica. She from 876 00:49:35,940 --> 00:49:38,220 Dave Jones: Butte the terminology incredible new 877 00:49:38,220 --> 00:49:39,000 features. Yeah. 878 00:49:41,099 --> 00:49:45,479 Adam Curry: Well, so first of all, they're obviously trying to 879 00:49:45,539 --> 00:49:47,039 I don't know I don't even know what they're trying to do 880 00:49:47,039 --> 00:49:51,209 because they don't create RSS feeds. Just your general take 881 00:49:51,209 --> 00:49:56,609 being in the industry on YouTube. Entering the space as 882 00:49:56,609 --> 00:49:57,389 they have 883 00:49:58,860 --> 00:50:02,760 Mike Kadin: i You think that since they're not RSS feeds, 884 00:50:02,790 --> 00:50:05,610 it's not that interesting. I think they could figure out how 885 00:50:05,610 --> 00:50:07,950 to make it more interesting in the future. Well, I mean, I 886 00:50:07,950 --> 00:50:12,330 mainly see this as like, they see Spotify, messing around with 887 00:50:12,330 --> 00:50:16,710 video. And they are just trying to be as directly competitive as 888 00:50:16,710 --> 00:50:19,200 possible. And I think that's like, that's the main 889 00:50:19,200 --> 00:50:19,860 motivation. 890 00:50:20,369 --> 00:50:23,369 Adam Curry: It's also I thought, pathetic. I mean, there's, if 891 00:50:23,369 --> 00:50:27,269 they don't, my answer to her was until you actually ingest RSS 892 00:50:27,269 --> 00:50:31,199 feeds. There's no reason for me to call you. Yeah, which 893 00:50:31,199 --> 00:50:31,799 snorting even 894 00:50:31,800 --> 00:50:34,350 Mike Kadin: if they do ingest RSS feeds, but then they don't 895 00:50:34,350 --> 00:50:37,440 have what we call like, passthru, where like the word 896 00:50:37,440 --> 00:50:39,840 Spotify calls password where like, the download request 897 00:50:39,840 --> 00:50:42,300 actually gets back to your hosting provider. Oh, yeah, for 898 00:50:42,300 --> 00:50:46,140 sure. For sure. If that doesn't happen, then then it's not 899 00:50:46,140 --> 00:50:47,370 really podcasting, in my view. 900 00:50:47,520 --> 00:50:48,780 Adam Curry: Thank you. Thank you. Let's, 901 00:50:48,840 --> 00:50:51,240 Dave Jones: let's get back to the to dynamic ad insertion, 902 00:50:51,240 --> 00:50:54,000 because we want to make sure we're a bunch of squirrels and 903 00:50:54,000 --> 00:50:57,150 we just run off the all over the place this Okay, so dynamic ad 904 00:50:57,150 --> 00:51:03,600 insertion. What what is the main, you began to describe the, 905 00:51:04,080 --> 00:51:08,430 the disconnect there, where you are going to say why it's so 906 00:51:08,430 --> 00:51:11,070 challenging to keep the transcript and the chapters in 907 00:51:11,070 --> 00:51:13,560 sync with the dynamic with the stitch together audio? 908 00:51:13,950 --> 00:51:16,320 Mike Kadin: Yeah. So I think, going back to what you said 909 00:51:16,320 --> 00:51:19,740 before, right, each individual download where the listener hits 910 00:51:19,740 --> 00:51:23,190 play is unique to that specific listener at that time, right for 911 00:51:23,190 --> 00:51:27,990 that episode, right. And that is unique to them. But the 912 00:51:28,170 --> 00:51:32,370 transcript URL and the chapter URL is at the feed level right? 913 00:51:32,490 --> 00:51:36,990 Now, like I said, before, we do like store or cache, a 914 00:51:36,990 --> 00:51:40,230 configuration that says like, we serve this IP address and user 915 00:51:40,230 --> 00:51:44,280 agent, this audio file at this time, so that if they come back 916 00:51:44,280 --> 00:51:46,200 five minutes later and download the second half of it, 917 00:51:46,200 --> 00:51:49,500 everything remains in sync, right? So we do have some 918 00:51:49,500 --> 00:51:53,490 concept, it's temporary and time of like, you know, if you asked 919 00:51:53,490 --> 00:51:56,850 me like, What did i What did I stitch together? In this episode 920 00:51:56,850 --> 00:51:59,070 from this IP address five minutes ago? I can answer that 921 00:51:59,070 --> 00:52:01,380 question. Right. So theoretically, right, then, 922 00:52:01,380 --> 00:52:03,750 like, if you asked me for a transcript, I can use that same 923 00:52:03,750 --> 00:52:07,350 configuration and stitch the transcript together, right? Same 924 00:52:07,350 --> 00:52:10,020 thing for the chapters, right. So I think the only thing that's 925 00:52:10,020 --> 00:52:12,810 missing with our current setup is just kind of like a 926 00:52:12,810 --> 00:52:18,210 specification that details how those URLs for the transcript 927 00:52:18,240 --> 00:52:21,450 and the chapters should be requested. They have to be from 928 00:52:21,450 --> 00:52:25,260 the client, they have to be close within time for when the 929 00:52:25,290 --> 00:52:29,070 download was requested. And they have to be, you know, from the 930 00:52:29,130 --> 00:52:31,440 same IP address, same user agent, everything else is same. 931 00:52:31,440 --> 00:52:34,290 So we can identify that and say, Alright, that's the same thing 932 00:52:34,290 --> 00:52:36,660 that just downloaded this podcast five minutes ago, now I 933 00:52:36,660 --> 00:52:39,390 can give you the transcript. If they download the transcript on 934 00:52:39,390 --> 00:52:41,670 the server side, that's not going to work. It's going to 935 00:52:41,670 --> 00:52:45,060 come from the server's IP, if they download the transcripts, 936 00:52:45,060 --> 00:52:50,100 like when the RSS feed updates, but then the listener downloads 937 00:52:50,100 --> 00:52:52,500 the podcast two days later, those are going to be out of 938 00:52:52,500 --> 00:52:56,610 sync, right. So like, either that's one option is to just 939 00:52:56,610 --> 00:52:59,550 kind of specify what the client's behavior should be with 940 00:52:59,550 --> 00:53:01,440 respect to downloading those things. Right? That's one 941 00:53:01,440 --> 00:53:03,600 option. I don't like it as much, but that's an easier option. 942 00:53:03,989 --> 00:53:07,199 Dave Jones: Okay. And Nathan geth, Nathan, Catherine has 943 00:53:07,409 --> 00:53:10,109 boosted in a question. So I'll let you finish your train of 944 00:53:10,109 --> 00:53:10,379 thought. 945 00:53:11,039 --> 00:53:13,229 Mike Kadin: Yeah. So that's, that's like, you know, one 946 00:53:13,229 --> 00:53:15,119 option, right. And then the other option, which I think some 947 00:53:15,119 --> 00:53:19,229 folks have proposed on Macedon, Twitter and stuff is, is to put 948 00:53:19,229 --> 00:53:24,479 the URL to that unique version of the episodes transcript and 949 00:53:24,479 --> 00:53:27,149 that unique version of the episodes, version of the 950 00:53:27,149 --> 00:53:30,869 chapters in headers that come back with the download, right? 951 00:53:30,869 --> 00:53:33,839 So you can say, give me that mp3, we give you back the mp3 952 00:53:33,839 --> 00:53:36,239 content, but in the headers is a link, here's where you can get 953 00:53:36,239 --> 00:53:38,669 the transcript for this, here's where you can get the chapter 954 00:53:38,669 --> 00:53:41,879 file for this, that would tie it specific to that specific 955 00:53:41,879 --> 00:53:46,529 download, and make it a lot easier to keep everything in 956 00:53:46,529 --> 00:53:50,639 sync. So that's the gist. It's like a disconnect between per 957 00:53:50,639 --> 00:53:55,319 download stitching, but per feed URLs for the other things. 958 00:53:55,530 --> 00:53:58,410 Dave Jones: Okay. All right. I got I got I got it now. So So 959 00:53:58,410 --> 00:54:01,440 here, so let's talk about a spec, then let's Let's hammer 960 00:54:01,440 --> 00:54:05,400 this hammer this out for a second. So there, Nathan's 961 00:54:05,550 --> 00:54:09,690 Nathan's thing, and I've got another idea here. So Nathan, 962 00:54:09,690 --> 00:54:13,440 Nathan said, why Kelsey would just love the discussion around 963 00:54:13,440 --> 00:54:16,980 da triggers, if apps were supporting Uli days, then hosts 964 00:54:16,980 --> 00:54:21,060 could provide the same audio and transcripts to match. So yeah, 965 00:54:21,720 --> 00:54:27,300 that is that that goes back to sort of like your client. Client 966 00:54:27,300 --> 00:54:29,910 level specification. Yeah, 967 00:54:29,940 --> 00:54:34,320 Mike Kadin: that's okay. If I think that solution is good. The 968 00:54:34,320 --> 00:54:37,860 idea behind the URL ad is like, I'm uniquely identifying like 969 00:54:37,860 --> 00:54:41,910 this, this app for this download, right? And that way I 970 00:54:41,910 --> 00:54:43,200 can distract it over users. 971 00:54:43,469 --> 00:54:46,889 Dave Jones: Yeah, each user so every, just to rehash it, every 972 00:54:46,889 --> 00:54:52,499 user down every download, generates a unique URL ID, 973 00:54:52,559 --> 00:54:55,589 right. And if the app ever downloads that same enclosure, 974 00:54:55,589 --> 00:54:59,489 again, it won't use the same URL ID otherwise it always generates 975 00:54:59,489 --> 00:54:59,969 a new one. 976 00:55:00,000 --> 00:55:03,660 Mike Kadin: if that would work, that would work. Yeah, it also 977 00:55:03,900 --> 00:55:07,500 is one solution. I think that header one is better. But I 978 00:55:07,530 --> 00:55:10,650 think that can totally work that basically, we need some way to 979 00:55:10,650 --> 00:55:14,070 know that the person who downloaded this thing is coming 980 00:55:14,070 --> 00:55:17,100 back, right for either to download the episode again, or 981 00:55:17,100 --> 00:55:19,260 to download the files that have this metadata. 982 00:55:19,619 --> 00:55:23,369 Dave Jones: So a Uli D solution, would that cause you to have to 983 00:55:23,369 --> 00:55:24,569 save state 984 00:55:26,489 --> 00:55:28,319 Mike Kadin: that we saved the state anyway, I think we would 985 00:55:28,319 --> 00:55:33,419 just have to save the URL ID and build an index off it too. I 986 00:55:33,419 --> 00:55:36,599 think that'd be okay. We'd have to make sure that like, you 987 00:55:36,599 --> 00:55:38,879 know, I think that'd be okay. 988 00:55:39,420 --> 00:55:43,920 Dave Jones: Because Because the other option here is in is, if 989 00:55:43,920 --> 00:55:49,980 there was some sort of, if there was a way to describe the 990 00:55:49,980 --> 00:55:54,270 breakpoints, and the length, the Start Times and the durations 991 00:55:54,570 --> 00:56:00,840 within some sort of like string or something. Then when the when 992 00:56:00,840 --> 00:56:05,040 the enclosure is delivered, you deliver a header that says, 993 00:56:05,070 --> 00:56:10,470 here's where the breakpoints were. Like, you're you're you're 994 00:56:10,500 --> 00:56:14,100 you're delivering with the enclosure, also an extra header 995 00:56:14,100 --> 00:56:17,790 that says, here's a list of all the breakpoints and how long 996 00:56:17,790 --> 00:56:21,870 they lasted. And that way, then whenever you download any 997 00:56:21,870 --> 00:56:27,120 transcript, it's going to if the if the client saves that, save 998 00:56:27,120 --> 00:56:29,790 the saves the breakpoints in there, when it goes back later, 999 00:56:29,790 --> 00:56:32,880 it doesn't you can just get the transcript ID and then it can 1000 00:56:32,880 --> 00:56:36,930 look up and say okay, when I downloaded this thing, it had a 1001 00:56:36,930 --> 00:56:41,010 breakpoint starting it at you know, at second this x y&z and 1002 00:56:41,010 --> 00:56:42,180 they lasted this long. 1003 00:56:43,440 --> 00:56:47,370 Mike Kadin: My only thing with that is that I don't always know 1004 00:56:47,400 --> 00:56:51,600 how long the breaks are going to be in advance 1005 00:56:52,289 --> 00:56:54,299 Dave Jones: that you stitch the mp3 together, so you wouldn't 1006 00:56:54,299 --> 00:56:54,779 know. Right? 1007 00:56:55,110 --> 00:56:57,570 Mike Kadin: I know at the time when I give it to you. But But I 1008 00:56:57,570 --> 00:57:03,750 guess what I'm saying is across downloads, I don't know. Right? 1009 00:57:03,750 --> 00:57:06,630 So where are you suggesting I put that, that brake 1010 00:57:06,630 --> 00:57:07,260 information. 1011 00:57:07,500 --> 00:57:09,960 Dave Jones: So that would be like when the client, let's just 1012 00:57:09,960 --> 00:57:13,230 say that it's cast ematic When cast ematic requests the 1013 00:57:13,230 --> 00:57:17,880 download, yep, to download the enclosure, you return it, you 1014 00:57:17,880 --> 00:57:22,230 stitch the mp3 together and then return a header with the with 1015 00:57:22,260 --> 00:57:24,270 the with, with the breakpoints in it. 1016 00:57:26,280 --> 00:57:27,810 Mike Kadin: I mean, that can also work. But I think if we're 1017 00:57:27,810 --> 00:57:29,460 going to do the headers, we might as well just give you a 1018 00:57:29,460 --> 00:57:32,520 URL where you can go fetch the transcripts specifically for it. 1019 00:57:33,720 --> 00:57:37,380 You know, I will say as the ad guy that like a lot of AD, 1020 00:57:37,380 --> 00:57:40,440 people will not be pumped to tell the client where the breaks 1021 00:57:40,440 --> 00:57:45,120 are gonna be mixed feelings about that from add people that 1022 00:57:45,120 --> 00:57:50,430 might help you skip them. Which, you know, there are pros and 1023 00:57:50,430 --> 00:57:54,510 cons to obviously a lot of pros for the listener. But But yeah, 1024 00:57:54,540 --> 00:57:57,930 you know, that's what you're saying would would work as well. 1025 00:57:58,020 --> 00:58:00,810 I think it's easier to just let us stitch the transcript of the 1026 00:58:00,810 --> 00:58:03,810 chapter is for you, based on on what we know about that 1027 00:58:03,810 --> 00:58:04,500 download? Right? 1028 00:58:05,579 --> 00:58:09,629 Dave Jones: Okay, so that that would be that would be a Uli D 1029 00:58:09,659 --> 00:58:13,169 type solution and or what you said like the head, the header? 1030 00:58:14,729 --> 00:58:17,819 I mean, the way in true 2.0 fashion, I mean, the way this 1031 00:58:18,479 --> 00:58:22,829 probably would work is you just you do you'd start doing the 1032 00:58:22,829 --> 00:58:27,359 thing that makes the most sense. And then we'll, we'll just all 1033 00:58:27,359 --> 00:58:31,109 look at it and say and, you know, hash it out. Play it. If 1034 00:58:31,109 --> 00:58:34,709 you say if you think you have a good solution, start delivering 1035 00:58:34,709 --> 00:58:36,929 that solution, if it's not too much trouble, and then we'll all 1036 00:58:36,929 --> 00:58:39,419 start playing with it. It is trouble, 1037 00:58:39,420 --> 00:58:44,640 Mike Kadin: but I think but I think I think I'm interested in 1038 00:58:44,640 --> 00:58:49,980 it. And I think that the the like header based solution is 1039 00:58:49,980 --> 00:58:53,370 one that like, as I heard from a few other folks that do dynamic 1040 00:58:53,370 --> 00:58:58,590 insertion recently, they seem to think that was like best. So 1041 00:58:58,590 --> 00:59:01,890 yeah, I would love to mess around with it. Right now. We 1042 00:59:01,890 --> 00:59:04,740 let you upload a transcript, but we don't like parse it and mess 1043 00:59:04,740 --> 00:59:07,290 around with it. So we'd have some serious work to do. But I'm 1044 00:59:07,290 --> 00:59:10,680 definitely interested in doing because I think transcripts are 1045 00:59:10,680 --> 00:59:13,770 a big important new thing for podcasts that have right and a 1046 00:59:13,770 --> 00:59:18,360 good example of where you guys are doing the innovation while 1047 00:59:18,360 --> 00:59:20,250 other guys are not right. 1048 00:59:20,789 --> 00:59:23,669 Adam Curry: Can I ask a question about the advertising and really 1049 00:59:23,669 --> 00:59:27,239 only because I see that Dave bought brought clips today. 1050 00:59:29,250 --> 00:59:31,380 Dave Jones: To me Oh, I MTN 1051 00:59:31,379 --> 00:59:33,209 Adam Curry: Yeah, because there's been a lot of talk 1052 00:59:33,209 --> 00:59:36,719 about, you know, what is brand safe, although I've heard this 1053 00:59:36,749 --> 00:59:40,019 all my life, what is brand appropriate, and then we have 1054 00:59:40,019 --> 00:59:43,829 the new news guard. Have you dealt with these folks? 1055 00:59:44,159 --> 00:59:45,419 Mike Kadin: I have not. Okay. 1056 00:59:46,710 --> 00:59:48,210 Adam Curry: Dave, that's your cue, I bet. 1057 00:59:49,619 --> 00:59:53,429 Dave Jones: Well, I'm trying I'm trying to look at my sheet here. 1058 00:59:53,489 --> 00:59:57,869 Well, the I did a little bit of research. I didn't get too deep 1059 00:59:57,869 --> 00:59:59,759 into it because I figured out really quickly that it was 1060 00:59:59,759 --> 01:00:04,349 boring. ring. So just kind of kind of moved 1061 01:00:04,949 --> 01:00:07,529 Adam Curry: your ISO shitposting There you go. 1062 01:00:09,630 --> 01:00:13,620 Dave Jones: But this here, I thought this was an interesting 1063 01:00:13,650 --> 01:00:19,290 interview. This is an interview with this C co CEO of newsguard. 1064 01:00:21,330 --> 01:00:24,810 In the AdExchanger podcast, which was evidently just 1065 01:00:24,810 --> 01:00:28,920 recently, but he it was pretty good interview. And I mean, you 1066 01:00:28,920 --> 01:00:32,820 know, I'll, I'll told you learned a lot. But I thought 1067 01:00:32,820 --> 01:00:37,290 this this was sort of an interesting his concept here. I 1068 01:00:37,290 --> 01:00:40,530 don't, I don't have a problem with the overall concept I 1069 01:00:40,530 --> 01:00:45,420 really don't as described. It doesn't bother me that they've 1070 01:00:45,450 --> 01:00:49,170 they veer, they have veered off into the intelligence stuff, 1071 01:00:49,170 --> 01:00:54,630 which does bother me. That's, that's, that's not great. So but 1072 01:00:54,630 --> 01:00:57,870 they've their their whole idea of giving like a nutrition that 1073 01:00:57,870 --> 01:01:00,480 was like, whatever I mean, ultimately, this thing is going 1074 01:01:00,480 --> 01:01:02,880 to that I think this is a company that's not going to be 1075 01:01:02,880 --> 01:01:05,580 around for you know, forever, because everything's gone one 1076 01:01:05,580 --> 01:01:07,860 day, and they even talk about it in this interview, this tick 1077 01:01:07,860 --> 01:01:12,660 tock tick tock is gonna eat everybody's lunch anyway, that 1078 01:01:12,660 --> 01:01:17,700 on that side of things, and so the, but he did talk about, and 1079 01:01:17,700 --> 01:01:21,990 I wanted to get your take on this. He talks about never 1080 01:01:21,990 --> 01:01:26,010 wanting to advertise on disinfo sites. That's clip one. 1081 01:01:27,270 --> 01:01:30,960 Unknown: We've been on several conversations with CEOs, you 1082 01:01:30,960 --> 01:01:35,580 know, where we say, You sure you don't didn't know this, but your 1083 01:01:35,580 --> 01:01:39,390 ads are appearing on Russian disinformation sites. The CEO 1084 01:01:39,390 --> 01:01:42,720 literally turns to the CMO and says, to look at all the 1085 01:01:42,720 --> 01:01:46,350 websites where our ads appear. And the CMO, of course, 1086 01:01:46,350 --> 01:01:49,260 responds, well, you know, in the old days, of course we did. But 1087 01:01:49,590 --> 01:01:51,810 there's this thing called programmatic advertising. And 1088 01:01:51,810 --> 01:01:55,080 you know, we don't really but our verification company told us 1089 01:01:55,080 --> 01:01:58,230 that they protect us from the really bad stuff. But the only 1090 01:01:58,230 --> 01:02:02,130 way to be protected from the really bad stuff, is to know 1091 01:02:02,130 --> 01:02:05,850 what the really bad stuff is. And the verification companies 1092 01:02:05,850 --> 01:02:11,010 use AI, primarily around keywords. We can talk about this 1093 01:02:11,010 --> 01:02:16,140 later, perhaps we're writing at the domain level. Do you ever 1094 01:02:16,140 --> 01:02:19,470 want to have an ad on our T or Sputnik, the Russian 1095 01:02:19,470 --> 01:02:22,530 disinformation sites? Do you ever want to have an ad on 1096 01:02:22,530 --> 01:02:26,310 Infowars? Even if it's about the weather? Of course, you don't. 1097 01:02:26,580 --> 01:02:29,670 You don't want to be in the position of supporting those 1098 01:02:29,670 --> 01:02:35,040 sites through advertising. We did this report with comScore 1099 01:02:35,580 --> 01:02:40,830 where we found there's $2.6 billion a year unintentionally 1100 01:02:40,830 --> 01:02:44,340 being spent through programmatic advertising, on misinformation 1101 01:02:44,340 --> 01:02:45,060 websites, 1102 01:02:45,150 --> 01:02:47,010 Adam Curry: I gotta get me a slice of that. 1103 01:02:48,389 --> 01:02:50,069 Dave Jones: The funniest part of that thing to me was 1104 01:02:50,219 --> 01:02:54,929 unintentionally, yes, yes. You're sure. Okay. But then, but 1105 01:02:54,929 --> 01:02:57,089 he nailed it. He brings it home. And then I want to make a point. 1106 01:02:57,119 --> 01:03:02,099 Oh, in about he's talking about Warren Buffett. In clip two, 1107 01:03:02,489 --> 01:03:06,149 Adam Curry: oh, I'm sorry. I got 15 things going on. 1108 01:03:06,179 --> 01:03:09,779 Unknown: We reported one year, for example, that the largest 1109 01:03:10,529 --> 01:03:14,789 advertiser on Sputnik News, one of the Russian disinformation 1110 01:03:14,789 --> 01:03:19,079 sites was Warren Buffett. Because GEICO that year happened 1111 01:03:19,079 --> 01:03:22,259 to be its biggest advertiser. And of course, Warren Buffett 1112 01:03:22,259 --> 01:03:25,739 doesn't wake up any morning thinking to himself what can I 1113 01:03:25,739 --> 01:03:28,259 do to support Russian disinformation? 1114 01:03:28,320 --> 01:03:29,280 Oh goodness. 1115 01:03:31,289 --> 01:03:34,409 Dave Jones: Here's, here's the this this is all such bullcrap. 1116 01:03:34,409 --> 01:03:40,829 Because of course there when you when you're an advertiser, you 1117 01:03:40,859 --> 01:03:44,129 What do you want more than anything is to sell is to is to 1118 01:03:44,579 --> 01:03:47,309 advertise in a place where you can sell your where your 1119 01:03:47,309 --> 01:03:52,739 products will increase in sales and peep even people who read RT 1120 01:03:53,189 --> 01:03:58,229 they also have cars in the car insurance. So the idea that that 1121 01:03:58,259 --> 01:04:02,219 oh, you never eat you would never want to want to advertise 1122 01:04:02,219 --> 01:04:04,769 your stuff on RT or Nick he's 1123 01:04:04,770 --> 01:04:07,260 Adam Curry: not baloney he's not he's not he's not being he's 1124 01:04:07,260 --> 01:04:09,930 being disingenuous. The reason why he doesn't want that is 1125 01:04:09,930 --> 01:04:13,260 because of the pressure groups who are out there and we'll go 1126 01:04:13,260 --> 01:04:18,000 and look at RT and say, Ah, your ads on there you're horrible 1127 01:04:18,000 --> 01:04:20,730 you're supporting Russian disinformation that's what they 1128 01:04:20,730 --> 01:04:22,980 want to avoid this year. That's the problem. 1129 01:04:23,340 --> 01:04:26,430 Dave Jones: Sure, but that's so so the so the real the real 1130 01:04:26,430 --> 01:04:30,090 issue there is not that you don't want to you want to but 1131 01:04:30,090 --> 01:04:33,720 you just don't want anybody to find out about it in that way 1132 01:04:33,719 --> 01:04:35,129 Adam Curry: yeah, there you go. That's right. 1133 01:04:35,520 --> 01:04:38,010 Dave Jones: Because there's that's a whole there's a lot of 1134 01:04:38,010 --> 01:04:41,010 people that they read that what would be classified as 1135 01:04:41,010 --> 01:04:44,460 disinformation sighs that needle that need car insurance and 1136 01:04:44,460 --> 01:04:46,770 would love to sell to those people because their money 1137 01:04:46,890 --> 01:04:50,040 spends just like everybody else's does. That's where That's 1138 01:04:50,040 --> 01:04:55,320 where tick tock is is is killer in that regard. Because 1139 01:04:55,470 --> 01:04:59,340 everybody's newsfeed is so personalized. Yep, those 1140 01:04:59,340 --> 01:05:02,070 advertisers You don't even you wouldn't even know that they 1141 01:05:02,070 --> 01:05:05,100 were advertising on in certain sections in certain 1142 01:05:05,100 --> 01:05:08,640 demographics. It's almost like a completely like curated, 1143 01:05:08,640 --> 01:05:12,510 privatized feed. And the ads don't even like you don't need 1144 01:05:12,510 --> 01:05:12,630 what 1145 01:05:12,630 --> 01:05:15,360 Adam Curry: are you? Are you a Chinese spy? Dave Jones? What 1146 01:05:15,360 --> 01:05:17,820 are you pro China? What's wrong with you, man? What do you do? 1147 01:05:17,820 --> 01:05:19,500 Would you have balloons in your garage? 1148 01:05:21,270 --> 01:05:26,670 Dave Jones: This is the listen to clip, clip three. This is a 1149 01:05:26,730 --> 01:05:28,740 what I thought was a nice little nugget here. 1150 01:05:29,940 --> 01:05:33,840 Unknown: I realized that if you called somebody and said that 1151 01:05:33,840 --> 01:05:38,160 you were representing a news organization, they would very 1152 01:05:38,160 --> 01:05:41,640 often almost always answer whatever question you had. 1153 01:05:42,840 --> 01:05:46,320 Dave Jones: Thought that was pretty easy. Like, if you if you 1154 01:05:46,320 --> 01:05:49,110 call them up and say, Hey, hon Dave, I'm from Homeland 1155 01:05:49,110 --> 01:05:50,970 Security, they're probably not going to answer your questions. 1156 01:05:51,150 --> 01:05:53,460 But if you're if you're a journalist, they will answer 1157 01:05:53,460 --> 01:05:57,150 your questions. That's a nice little nugget. Yep. 1158 01:05:58,050 --> 01:05:59,910 Mike Kadin: Journalists love to talk about each other. 1159 01:05:59,940 --> 01:06:02,010 Adam Curry: Right? And themselves and themselves. 1160 01:06:03,300 --> 01:06:04,980 Dave Jones: But that, but here's, here's where it here's, 1161 01:06:05,010 --> 01:06:07,770 here's sort of where the rubber meets the road, PLAY CLIP floor 1162 01:06:07,800 --> 01:06:09,570 clip for about programmatic. 1163 01:06:09,600 --> 01:06:12,330 Unknown: He came to me one day, and he said, Gordon, how would 1164 01:06:12,330 --> 01:06:14,100 you like to get all of Jaguar? Right? It's 1165 01:06:14,100 --> 01:06:16,650 Adam Curry: kind of sounds like Alec Baldwin is crazy. I mean, 1166 01:06:16,650 --> 01:06:17,820 he's so 1167 01:06:18,840 --> 01:06:19,680 Dave Jones: hard to clip. 1168 01:06:20,250 --> 01:06:22,980 Unknown: He came to me one day, and he said, Gordon, how would 1169 01:06:22,980 --> 01:06:26,850 you like to get all of Jaguars digital advertising this year in 1170 01:06:26,850 --> 01:06:31,110 the US? And I said, that'd be great. How much of Jaguars 1171 01:06:31,110 --> 01:06:33,630 advertising have we gotten in the past year? And he said, 1172 01:06:34,020 --> 01:06:39,030 about 20%. And I said, I'd love to get 100%. And I let a little 1173 01:06:39,030 --> 01:06:41,730 pause, go? And I said, Mike, what's, what's the downside of 1174 01:06:41,970 --> 01:06:45,630 what sounds great? And he said, Well, there's this new 1175 01:06:45,630 --> 01:06:49,380 technology, it's going to drop some cookies on Wall Street 1176 01:06:49,380 --> 01:06:52,710 Journal readers, and we'll get all the Jaguar advertising this 1177 01:06:52,710 --> 01:06:55,830 year, put these cookies might allow them to find Wall Street 1178 01:06:55,830 --> 01:07:00,210 Journal, readers somewhere else next year. And you know, Wall 1179 01:07:00,210 --> 01:07:02,760 Street Journal readers account for a large percentage of Jaguar 1180 01:07:02,760 --> 01:07:06,540 purchases in the so I said, Oh, in other words, they might stop 1181 01:07:06,540 --> 01:07:09,840 advertising and the journal next year and advertise someplace 1182 01:07:09,840 --> 01:07:14,730 else, like, you know, back then it was sites like auto buy, tell 1183 01:07:14,730 --> 01:07:17,910 and know the versions of Kharbanda from that time period. 1184 01:07:18,150 --> 01:07:20,430 Mike said, Yeah, that could happen. And I said, Well, that 1185 01:07:20,430 --> 01:07:23,070 sounds terrible. And Mike pointed out that if we didn't do 1186 01:07:23,070 --> 01:07:25,770 it, you know, somebody else would do it. And I said, Yes, 1187 01:07:25,830 --> 01:07:30,510 that's That's right. So we enjoyed 100% of Jaguars 1188 01:07:30,510 --> 01:07:34,590 advertising in the US digital advertising in the US at a CPM 1189 01:07:34,620 --> 01:07:38,520 that the Wall Street Journal felt like we deserved. And 1190 01:07:38,940 --> 01:07:42,150 beginning the next year, we did not have 100%. And what we did 1191 01:07:42,150 --> 01:07:46,860 have the CPMs were not the same. And programmatic has been a 1192 01:07:46,860 --> 01:07:50,970 great solution for advertisers. It's driven pricing down, it's 1193 01:07:51,510 --> 01:07:56,400 made advertising, so efficient. But like so many things. It's 1194 01:07:56,880 --> 01:08:00,930 not been good for publishers, and the news industry is 1195 01:08:01,140 --> 01:08:05,760 suffering from many revenue ills. That's certainly one of 1196 01:08:05,760 --> 01:08:06,000 them. 1197 01:08:06,750 --> 01:08:07,500 Adam Curry: Hmm. 1198 01:08:07,889 --> 01:08:09,719 Dave Jones: So this is my question that I've brought up 1199 01:08:10,469 --> 01:08:16,169 recently is, with everybody piling into dynamic ad insertion 1200 01:08:16,199 --> 01:08:20,879 is specifically programmatic advertising. Yep. That has to 1201 01:08:20,879 --> 01:08:23,189 drive CPMs down across the board. Right. 1202 01:08:24,719 --> 01:08:28,079 Mike Kadin: Well, programmatic? Yes, I agree. Those are usually 1203 01:08:28,079 --> 01:08:29,009 lower CPMs 1204 01:08:29,580 --> 01:08:32,040 Dave Jones: mean that okay, but I'm being very specific here. 1205 01:08:32,220 --> 01:08:35,520 You know, they are generally lower already. But what I'm 1206 01:08:35,520 --> 01:08:41,130 saying is, for every, let's say, for every 100 podcasts that 1207 01:08:41,160 --> 01:08:46,620 enable programmatic advertising, yep. That you now have a larger 1208 01:08:46,710 --> 01:08:53,010 available ad ad space. Yep. So that would buy me to just supply 1209 01:08:53,010 --> 01:08:55,830 and demand is going to drive rates down because you have a 1210 01:08:55,830 --> 01:09:01,230 larger set to sell against agree. Yep. So ultimately, this 1211 01:09:01,230 --> 01:09:04,110 feels like a ray. The programmatic programmatic 1212 01:09:04,110 --> 01:09:06,750 advertising just seems like a race to the bottom now. 1213 01:09:07,679 --> 01:09:10,049 Mike Kadin: I mean, one way to think about it is race to the 1214 01:09:10,049 --> 01:09:14,309 bottom. And another way to think about it is like the value is 1215 01:09:14,339 --> 01:09:18,179 the market is going to determine the value, right? It's like the 1216 01:09:18,209 --> 01:09:22,109 if this is what publishers are willing to take for this, then 1217 01:09:22,109 --> 01:09:24,389 that's what an advertiser should I don't know, I used to work at 1218 01:09:24,419 --> 01:09:26,759 Uber. We did. You know, I understand surge pricing and 1219 01:09:26,759 --> 01:09:28,889 things like that. And like that's the way things things 1220 01:09:28,889 --> 01:09:30,839 should work. Oh, yeah. So 1221 01:09:30,840 --> 01:09:34,770 Adam Curry: I have a question about that. Sure. When you were 1222 01:09:34,800 --> 01:09:39,270 Uber, and you can be dodgy if you want, but I'm sure I'm 1223 01:09:39,270 --> 01:09:45,150 pretty sure that Uber knew who I was and priced me more expensive 1224 01:09:45,210 --> 01:09:48,870 than someone else for the same ride from the same location. 1225 01:09:49,140 --> 01:09:49,890 True or False? 1226 01:09:50,700 --> 01:09:53,340 Mike Kadin: As far as I know, false when I worked there, you 1227 01:09:53,340 --> 01:09:57,870 know, six years. All right. All right. Dave, your point is a 1228 01:09:57,870 --> 01:10:02,730 good one like programmatic and doesn't really take advantage of 1229 01:10:02,760 --> 01:10:06,030 all the good things that podcasts have, right? You have 1230 01:10:06,030 --> 01:10:08,370 this like listener base that comes and listens to your 1231 01:10:08,370 --> 01:10:10,890 audience every week, you have this really close relationship. 1232 01:10:10,890 --> 01:10:13,230 And then you play some like Sunday, Sunday, Sunday, you 1233 01:10:13,230 --> 01:10:17,220 know, advertisement, and you know that as more and more 1234 01:10:17,220 --> 01:10:21,780 podcasts turn that on, if they do then, then yeah, like that 1235 01:10:21,780 --> 01:10:26,070 value is like is pretty weak. I agree. What red circle does is, 1236 01:10:26,070 --> 01:10:28,950 you know, we have credit cards that you can collect payments 1237 01:10:28,950 --> 01:10:31,740 from your fans from we have programmatic advertising, and 1238 01:10:31,740 --> 01:10:34,680 then we also have host Read, Write some podcasters turn on 1239 01:10:34,710 --> 01:10:38,100 any mix of those different things. You know, we're not 1240 01:10:38,100 --> 01:10:40,620 like, oh, programmatic is the future, just like we're not 1241 01:10:40,620 --> 01:10:43,590 like, payments or the future? We're just trying to give 1242 01:10:43,590 --> 01:10:45,330 podcasters all the tools they want to use? 1243 01:10:45,780 --> 01:10:49,800 Dave Jones: Yeah, the Yeah, right. So the see this here, 1244 01:10:49,830 --> 01:10:52,950 here's a good example. There's ad exchanges. So this, that 1245 01:10:52,950 --> 01:10:56,700 interview took place on the AdExchanger podcast as 1246 01:10:56,700 --> 01:11:00,900 AdExchanger clear clearly a market industry ad industry. 1247 01:11:02,160 --> 01:11:02,880 Products like, 1248 01:11:03,240 --> 01:11:07,320 Mike Kadin: yeah, so it's a it's a it's a journalistic. Right. 1249 01:11:07,740 --> 01:11:11,010 Dave Jones: Yes, then. So you would think that this ad focused 1250 01:11:11,430 --> 01:11:15,660 industry product would have would be sort of a pinnacle of 1251 01:11:16,080 --> 01:11:21,360 creative when it comes to the ad, like ad, you know, ad 1252 01:11:21,360 --> 01:11:25,710 creative content. The Ad Exchange or horrible drop in ad 1253 01:11:25,740 --> 01:11:27,990 would prove would say that that is not correct. 1254 01:11:29,460 --> 01:11:32,580 Unknown: Speaking of podcasts, and of course, you're on our 1255 01:11:32,580 --> 01:11:34,230 podcast, I feel like okay, 1256 01:11:34,230 --> 01:11:36,600 Adam Curry: stop. She's killing me already. Who is this woman? 1257 01:11:36,630 --> 01:11:37,380 Podcast? 1258 01:11:40,320 --> 01:11:43,710 Unknown: podcast, and of course, you're on our podcast. I feel 1259 01:11:43,710 --> 01:11:46,680 like so many advancements have happened within podcast 1260 01:11:46,680 --> 01:11:49,680 advertising in the past year. What are some of the major 1261 01:11:49,680 --> 01:11:50,580 highlights for you? 1262 01:11:51,690 --> 01:11:56,010 As we all know, content is what makes podcasts so engaging, and 1263 01:11:56,010 --> 01:12:00,270 to podcast ad tech advancements leverage the power of podcast 1264 01:12:00,270 --> 01:12:04,650 content. One is predictive audiences would use his podcast 1265 01:12:04,650 --> 01:12:08,580 content signals, to better identify audiences in a way that 1266 01:12:08,580 --> 01:12:12,150 is scaled and future proofed when it comes to the ever 1267 01:12:12,150 --> 01:12:16,320 changing landscape of identity and privacy. Another content 1268 01:12:16,320 --> 01:12:20,070 driven advancement is brand safety targeting, which is based 1269 01:12:20,070 --> 01:12:23,970 on analyzing podcast transcripts to enable brands to run against 1270 01:12:23,970 --> 01:12:27,870 the type of content that matches their brand safety guidelines. 1271 01:12:27,900 --> 01:12:29,490 Adam Curry: Man, I've been hearing this forever. Does 1272 01:12:29,490 --> 01:12:33,180 anyone actually do that with transcripts? Yeah. 1273 01:12:34,890 --> 01:12:36,660 Mike Kadin: There's some vendors that are out there doing that 1274 01:12:36,660 --> 01:12:37,230 these days. 1275 01:12:37,980 --> 01:12:40,440 Adam Curry: I'd like to give a content signal that the lady was 1276 01:12:40,440 --> 01:12:45,990 talking about. Everybody knows that's our content signal. 1277 01:12:46,410 --> 01:12:48,180 Mike Kadin: There's not a dad though. What was that? 1278 01:12:48,480 --> 01:12:52,230 Dave Jones: That was an ad. That was a that was that was that 1279 01:12:52,230 --> 01:12:57,000 were what? Yes. It for ads. Wiz. This, just dropped that right 1280 01:12:57,000 --> 01:13:02,250 in. Yeah, it was sort of a fake interview segment, infomercial, 1281 01:13:02,790 --> 01:13:06,570 or others you said it was like, you know, oh, yes, this is this 1282 01:13:06,570 --> 01:13:10,140 is great. And number two, I'm like, well, there was no number 1283 01:13:10,140 --> 01:13:13,800 one, pre written ad creative. And this is horrible. 1284 01:13:14,580 --> 01:13:15,960 Adam Curry: And we got to talk about something else. Now I'm 1285 01:13:15,960 --> 01:13:16,920 going to shoot myself. 1286 01:13:18,870 --> 01:13:21,600 Dave Jones: In the butt. My point for playing that was that 1287 01:13:21,840 --> 01:13:29,490 this is from this is from the ad industry itself. Horrible. Yeah. 1288 01:13:30,210 --> 01:13:36,390 Yeah. But anyway, the DA, the the Dai thing, I think, I mean, 1289 01:13:36,750 --> 01:13:39,870 I think we can solve it. But really, it does have to be 1290 01:13:39,870 --> 01:13:45,420 though. It does have to be that people have to stop being so 1291 01:13:45,750 --> 01:13:49,230 insane to some degree. So so afraid of people skipping the 1292 01:13:49,230 --> 01:13:49,950 ads? 1293 01:13:50,100 --> 01:13:52,170 Mike Kadin: Yeah, I'm not worried about that. The reason I 1294 01:13:52,170 --> 01:13:54,930 brought that up before is I think other people will be what 1295 01:13:54,930 --> 01:13:58,950 I just kind of, like, bring it back for a moment. You know, 1296 01:13:58,950 --> 01:14:01,410 first of all, dynamic insertion doesn't have to be ads. And we 1297 01:14:01,410 --> 01:14:03,600 have lots of examples where that's the case. And so I think 1298 01:14:03,600 --> 01:14:05,880 we should figure out the technical solutions to make this 1299 01:14:05,880 --> 01:14:09,960 work regardless. And then more importantly, like we're not like 1300 01:14:09,990 --> 01:14:13,530 deep believers in in the future programmatic it's a part of our 1301 01:14:13,530 --> 01:14:16,650 business. But, you know, our business is also super focused 1302 01:14:16,650 --> 01:14:19,260 on host read is super focused on payments. And I think, you know, 1303 01:14:19,260 --> 01:14:21,960 it should be up to the publisher to decide like, what do they 1304 01:14:21,960 --> 01:14:24,480 want to do? What do they want to turn these things on or off and, 1305 01:14:24,870 --> 01:14:26,970 and let them decide like, what their audience should be 1306 01:14:26,970 --> 01:14:29,940 comfortable with and how much or how little they want to charge 1307 01:14:29,940 --> 01:14:32,940 and how much money they stand to make for it. And that's kind of 1308 01:14:32,970 --> 01:14:34,500 the tool set that we try to provide. 1309 01:14:35,820 --> 01:14:38,550 Adam Curry: And I'm going to beg you again to go value for value 1310 01:14:38,700 --> 01:14:41,640 because I think it would be so accretive to your business and 1311 01:14:41,640 --> 01:14:44,940 you know you clearly have a good head on your shoulders you know 1312 01:14:44,940 --> 01:14:50,340 business. There's still time to get in still time to get in on 1313 01:14:50,340 --> 01:14:53,340 the ground floor. Particularly with these music things. This is 1314 01:14:53,370 --> 01:14:58,560 this is going to burst wide open the first podcast host to offer 1315 01:14:59,490 --> 01:15:04,530 pod Hastur has the ability to search a library of songs. And 1316 01:15:04,530 --> 01:15:07,890 this is this is the model that Tik Tok use, by the way to 1317 01:15:07,890 --> 01:15:11,610 search a library of songs that they can then use in the context 1318 01:15:11,640 --> 01:15:15,180 of their podcast, just play the songs, I think will be a big 1319 01:15:15,180 --> 01:15:16,920 winner. I 1320 01:15:16,950 --> 01:15:19,860 Dave Jones: do allow musical on the platform. 1321 01:15:20,880 --> 01:15:24,810 Mike Kadin: We not just like straight up music. Because it's 1322 01:15:24,810 --> 01:15:26,160 too hard for us to handle the guy. 1323 01:15:26,160 --> 01:15:29,550 Adam Curry: No, I don't think I think that's why wave Lake and 1324 01:15:29,580 --> 01:15:32,700 dystopian. These guys are great. That's what they they know how 1325 01:15:32,700 --> 01:15:35,910 to do that even if SoundCloud gets their crap together, they 1326 01:15:35,910 --> 01:15:39,600 don't have they're very close. They have RSS feeds. That that's 1327 01:15:39,600 --> 01:15:42,540 their business. But to write like sovereign feeds, I have the 1328 01:15:42,540 --> 01:15:45,510 catalog right there. I searched for it right there. And you 1329 01:15:45,510 --> 01:15:47,910 know, I can plug it in that I think that's the kind of stuff 1330 01:15:47,910 --> 01:15:51,390 that that will be differentiating for a podcast 1331 01:15:51,390 --> 01:15:55,770 hosts, and podcast podcasters who want to add music, I think 1332 01:15:55,770 --> 01:15:57,000 though flocked to it. 1333 01:15:58,530 --> 01:16:00,600 Mike Kadin: I think it's, I think what you're doing with it 1334 01:16:00,600 --> 01:16:03,870 is very smart. You know, and it's a good example of like, you 1335 01:16:03,870 --> 01:16:07,410 remember, there was all this, this drama, a couple blog posts 1336 01:16:07,410 --> 01:16:10,950 from Spotify, about how like RSS is bringing us down, and we 1337 01:16:10,950 --> 01:16:13,590 can't build these protocols that are capable of moving the space 1338 01:16:13,590 --> 01:16:16,650 forward. And like one of the things that's only available on 1339 01:16:16,650 --> 01:16:21,960 Anchor is being able to put a Spotify music file in the middle 1340 01:16:21,960 --> 01:16:25,050 of your podcast, and yeah, we've got all the licensing and stuff 1341 01:16:25,050 --> 01:16:27,990 worked out. Right, but like maybe with what you're 1342 01:16:27,990 --> 01:16:30,630 describing, you know, again, that all of these things that 1343 01:16:30,630 --> 01:16:33,960 they claim are only doable in a closed ecosystem are possible in 1344 01:16:33,960 --> 01:16:36,210 I was gonna say open podcasting, but I'll say it. Thank 1345 01:16:36,210 --> 01:16:38,640 Adam Curry: you. Thank you. Thank you. Well, speaking of 1346 01:16:38,640 --> 01:16:42,000 speaking of that, you were at the infamous dinner in in 1347 01:16:42,000 --> 01:16:46,650 Dallas. And the podcast Stan was project has launched I believe 1348 01:16:47,040 --> 01:16:52,440 red circle is part of it. You know, it's been like the silence 1349 01:16:52,440 --> 01:16:54,990 is deafening. What have you heard on the inside? Is anything 1350 01:16:54,990 --> 01:16:59,310 going on? I mean, I know. It's hard. But have you heard of 1351 01:16:59,310 --> 01:17:01,770 anything? Any updates? 1352 01:17:02,370 --> 01:17:05,010 Mike Kadin: I don't have anything for you. I think I'm 1353 01:17:05,070 --> 01:17:09,660 I'm like the not not the leader. And I think right now 1354 01:17:09,690 --> 01:17:12,990 everybody's busy. We should like step up and make sure the ball 1355 01:17:12,990 --> 01:17:15,900 keeps moving forward. That's really all I can say. Okay, like 1356 01:17:15,900 --> 01:17:19,050 right now, it's just everybody did a bunch of stuff to get that 1357 01:17:19,110 --> 01:17:22,800 initial pump going. And you know, we shipped, you know, pod 1358 01:17:22,800 --> 01:17:25,590 paying and fun. You know, a bunch of new tags ain't 1359 01:17:26,670 --> 01:17:28,950 Adam Curry: gonna break. Thank you for that pod ping is super 1360 01:17:28,950 --> 01:17:30,720 important, super important. After 1361 01:17:30,720 --> 01:17:35,850 Dave Jones: all the aggregator headaches I had this week. It 1362 01:17:35,850 --> 01:17:41,100 just reinforced the idea of why potting is so much better than 1363 01:17:41,100 --> 01:17:45,600 having to just hammer feeds all day long. It's sucks. I want to 1364 01:17:45,600 --> 01:17:48,600 Adam Curry: thank James Cridland for giving us an updated feed 1365 01:17:48,600 --> 01:17:51,750 image. He correctly identified that that was wrong. 1366 01:17:52,830 --> 01:17:55,110 Dave Jones: No, did you drop it in? Yeah, of course. Of course. 1367 01:17:56,010 --> 01:17:59,730 Adam Curry: Also, correction blogger created a chat GPT 1368 01:17:59,730 --> 01:18:04,200 plugin for the podcast index. I haven't used it yet. Have you? 1369 01:18:04,200 --> 01:18:06,150 Have you messed around with it? Dave? Some people have been 1370 01:18:06,150 --> 01:18:06,780 looking at it. 1371 01:18:07,290 --> 01:18:10,350 Dave Jones: I don't have a chat GP refused to have a chat GPT 1372 01:18:10,350 --> 01:18:13,140 account so I can't play with it. But it because ended this 1373 01:18:13,140 --> 01:18:16,230 requires the pro version. Do you have chat? GPT mic? 1374 01:18:16,830 --> 01:18:18,420 Mike Kadin: I don't like I can't wear it. But I just played 1375 01:18:18,420 --> 01:18:18,900 around with it. 1376 01:18:19,350 --> 01:18:21,660 Adam Curry: Yeah, I don't. I don't know anybody that pays for 1377 01:18:21,660 --> 01:18:24,720 it. Well, I'm gonna I guess I'm gonna have to do that. But I've 1378 01:18:24,720 --> 01:18:27,960 seen some other people this this, like all kinds of the 1379 01:18:27,960 --> 01:18:31,350 reason why is there's so much so much data that we have, it's so 1380 01:18:31,350 --> 01:18:35,610 beautiful. You could train an AI model on our database alone and 1381 01:18:35,610 --> 01:18:38,820 just follow the links. I mean, the transcripts, everything, I 1382 01:18:38,820 --> 01:18:42,000 think it will be a wealth of information. And I say this 1383 01:18:42,000 --> 01:18:45,960 because I know that we don't have to rely on on Google barf, 1384 01:18:45,960 --> 01:18:49,230 and all these other all these other products because people 1385 01:18:49,230 --> 01:18:53,040 are doing this at home now. I mean, I got Jay J. Donnelly, who 1386 01:18:53,040 --> 01:18:57,150 I've known for gosh, he's been a podcasting. Since the beginning. 1387 01:18:57,330 --> 01:19:03,420 He has, what is it? I think it's 507 dot AI, I'm saying this 1388 01:19:03,420 --> 01:19:07,110 wrong, probably. He's got his own thing running. And and I was 1389 01:19:07,110 --> 01:19:11,760 able to just ask no agenda specific questions. And it was 1390 01:19:11,760 --> 01:19:15,270 answering them based upon you know, we have everything in 1391 01:19:15,270 --> 01:19:21,360 OPML. So basically, XML data. To me this is there's something 1392 01:19:21,360 --> 01:19:24,570 here. I'm not quite sure what but there's something there's 1393 01:19:24,570 --> 01:19:26,760 something cool going on with all this. Yeah, I 1394 01:19:26,760 --> 01:19:29,430 Mike Kadin: mean, transcripts has a lot of value. I think just 1395 01:19:29,430 --> 01:19:32,280 for kind of like providing folks with the text as they're 1396 01:19:32,280 --> 01:19:35,040 listening and the accessibility aspects and stuff but like once 1397 01:19:35,040 --> 01:19:38,430 it gets broad adoption, and we have huge this huge corpus of 1398 01:19:38,430 --> 01:19:41,940 just what podcasting altogether represents, like there's just a 1399 01:19:41,940 --> 01:19:44,160 lot of value there that people will be able to tap into to 1400 01:19:44,160 --> 01:19:47,160 search for the things you want to recommend other podcasts all 1401 01:19:47,160 --> 01:19:47,850 this good stuff. 1402 01:19:48,180 --> 01:19:53,190 Dave Jones: You know, I'll say this in sort of speaking about 1403 01:19:53,220 --> 01:19:59,010 transcripts and their act like their time, time sensitivity 1404 01:19:59,010 --> 01:20:02,640 within the within the playback. You know, if you've watched to 1405 01:20:03,000 --> 01:20:07,260 broadcast television in any way, I mean, the closed captioning is 1406 01:20:07,260 --> 01:20:10,740 often way out of sync. I mean, like, way out of OH, 1407 01:20:11,820 --> 01:20:13,590 Adam Curry: REALLY disturbingly, so. 1408 01:20:13,980 --> 01:20:17,790 Dave Jones: Yeah. Like, like minutes behind. Yeah. And so 1409 01:20:17,790 --> 01:20:21,780 like, we're already better than that. So I don't think, you 1410 01:20:21,780 --> 01:20:26,550 know, even if you have a non time adjusted transcript, you're 1411 01:20:26,550 --> 01:20:30,450 probably still fairly close to what you mean, like, you're 1412 01:20:30,450 --> 01:20:33,660 probably still way better than broadcast television, honestly. 1413 01:20:34,560 --> 01:20:36,990 Mike Kadin: Well, you know, perfect is the enemy of good or 1414 01:20:36,990 --> 01:20:39,570 whatever the saying is, that's why we shipped it knowing Yeah, 1415 01:20:39,570 --> 01:20:41,220 that wasn't sick. 1416 01:20:42,630 --> 01:20:46,170 Dave Jones: Yeah, I agree. This, can I got a couple of, I've got 1417 01:20:46,170 --> 01:20:52,860 a couple of I've got a couple of requests for the, for the 1418 01:20:52,860 --> 01:21:03,810 website. Okay. In, like, so the, the person search in the API is 1419 01:21:03,840 --> 01:21:07,590 so killer, that it needs to be more exposed, and I'm what I'm 1420 01:21:07,590 --> 01:21:13,410 what I think. But if if somebody would hit this is why I have to 1421 01:21:13,410 --> 01:21:18,930 come begging with, you know, holding my hat to people because 1422 01:21:18,930 --> 01:21:23,130 I don't understand how to code react. So I don't I can, I can 1423 01:21:23,160 --> 01:21:26,190 basically can't even code our own website, I have to depend on 1424 01:21:26,190 --> 01:21:31,800 other people to do it for me. So like some way to modify the 1425 01:21:31,800 --> 01:21:37,800 search box on the site, maybe with a with a checkbox or some 1426 01:21:37,800 --> 01:21:41,340 sort of like prefix where you could say like person, person, 1427 01:21:41,370 --> 01:21:45,810 colon or something like that, if you to where you can, instead of 1428 01:21:45,810 --> 01:21:48,930 just searching for a podcast in the background, it would hit the 1429 01:21:48,930 --> 01:21:53,370 person search API, instead of just the search by Term API. I'm 1430 01:21:53,370 --> 01:21:57,630 telling you, I use a started using this person search all the 1431 01:21:57,630 --> 01:22:02,250 time, it is so killer, because you you can find studies, not 1432 01:22:02,250 --> 01:22:06,270 just person, like basically, it just excludes almost every 1433 01:22:06,270 --> 01:22:12,840 English word from as a stop word list. So what you end up with is 1434 01:22:12,870 --> 01:22:17,940 a search that searches for things that are not, that are 1435 01:22:17,940 --> 01:22:22,530 not like English words. So you have it includes all and I 1436 01:22:22,530 --> 01:22:26,250 removed all the common English names out of that set to. So 1437 01:22:26,250 --> 01:22:29,970 basically, you have a thing that searches for persons or unusual 1438 01:22:29,970 --> 01:22:33,720 words. So when I just got in there, and I just searched for 1439 01:22:33,720 --> 01:22:36,780 newsguard, using the person search and boom, it came up with 1440 01:22:36,780 --> 01:22:40,590 like every interview about that guy that hit me I had ever been 1441 01:22:40,590 --> 01:22:44,010 on a podcast. It's so it's so good that I think it should be 1442 01:22:44,010 --> 01:22:49,110 more exposed on the side. And then the other one is this, this 1443 01:22:49,110 --> 01:22:52,230 goes back to the aggregator trouble ahead this week. And I 1444 01:22:52,230 --> 01:22:56,760 know you're gonna you're gonna like laugh at this. Mike is the 1445 01:22:56,790 --> 01:23:00,870 the the idea of peep these people that put their WordPress 1446 01:23:00,870 --> 01:23:04,890 sites behind Cloudflare. And so then as I'm trying to aggregate 1447 01:23:04,890 --> 01:23:07,110 as the index is trying to grab the feed, it's given me a 1448 01:23:07,140 --> 01:23:12,120 JavaScript challenge page. Oh, yeah. So there's a new there's a 1449 01:23:12,120 --> 01:23:17,490 new status code, status code HTTP status code 986. So if the 1450 01:23:17,490 --> 01:23:21,900 tree if the API returns 986, there really needs to be some 1451 01:23:21,900 --> 01:23:29,700 wording or something on the page, to where it says, hey, you 1452 01:23:29,700 --> 01:23:32,160 need to turn your Cloudflare off or you need to turn it you need 1453 01:23:32,160 --> 01:23:35,280 to put an exception and because we can breach your feed because 1454 01:23:35,280 --> 01:23:38,250 we're being blocked, because people people oftentimes will go 1455 01:23:38,250 --> 01:23:41,490 to the podcast index website, search for their thing and say, 1456 01:23:41,490 --> 01:23:44,490 hey, my much my podcast messed up. Why don't you have my latest 1457 01:23:44,490 --> 01:23:48,390 episodes? It would be nice if it just went ahead and told them 1458 01:23:48,390 --> 01:23:51,510 why because, hey, it's not us as you like, 1459 01:23:51,540 --> 01:23:53,190 Mike Kadin: basically, like, I've never heard that before. 1460 01:23:53,190 --> 01:23:56,460 That's crazy. So like that must be doing that to like, clients 1461 01:23:56,460 --> 01:23:59,310 and stuff, too. Is it something specific about you, and you're 1462 01:23:59,310 --> 01:24:00,870 scanning a lot of things or 1463 01:24:01,230 --> 01:24:04,170 Dave Jones: now? No, I've seen Marco. I've seen Marco complain 1464 01:24:04,170 --> 01:24:07,680 about it, too. He tweeted about it a while, like, if you if you 1465 01:24:07,680 --> 01:24:12,720 hit it sufficiently enough times, it just it challenges you 1466 01:24:12,720 --> 01:24:16,530 and you won't let you they won't let you go any further. In the 1467 01:24:16,530 --> 01:24:19,260 book, you become like, blacklisted or something. 1468 01:24:20,490 --> 01:24:22,080 Mike Kadin: Yeah, I mean my opinion about that it's going to 1469 01:24:22,080 --> 01:24:24,360 be controversial around these parts, which is that like I 1470 01:24:24,360 --> 01:24:27,600 think most people shouldn't be hosting their own RSS feeds. 1471 01:24:28,680 --> 01:24:33,060 But, but I'm happy to debate that if you want for things like 1472 01:24:33,060 --> 01:24:36,150 that, right? We got a lot of folks who are hosting their own 1473 01:24:36,150 --> 01:24:40,620 WordPress their own WordPress RSS feeds that are in dire 1474 01:24:40,620 --> 01:24:43,020 trouble for a lot of reasons either they can't handle the 1475 01:24:43,020 --> 01:24:45,960 load or they don't understand they have four different feeds 1476 01:24:45,960 --> 01:24:48,060 on their site they don't understand it and you can get 1477 01:24:48,060 --> 01:24:50,520 yourself in a situation where if you screw up and lose all your 1478 01:24:50,520 --> 01:24:51,180 audience you know 1479 01:24:51,449 --> 01:24:54,119 Dave Jones: my I don't disagree at all I mean if you if you're 1480 01:24:54,119 --> 01:24:57,629 if you with what you're saying is most quote most people know I 1481 01:24:57,629 --> 01:25:00,449 agree with that. I guarantee you most people shouldn't be hosting 1482 01:25:00,449 --> 01:25:01,229 a lot of their own stuff. 1483 01:25:01,440 --> 01:25:04,710 Adam Curry: My favorite is just the animosity and the rudeness 1484 01:25:04,710 --> 01:25:08,760 that people come to app developers and podcasts index 1485 01:25:08,760 --> 01:25:13,980 demanding, demanding why this is not working. And your platform 1486 01:25:13,980 --> 01:25:17,460 is no good. And what is wrong? I can't the play button doesn't 1487 01:25:17,460 --> 01:25:21,090 work. Wow. Holy moly people. 1488 01:25:22,350 --> 01:25:24,390 Mike Kadin: A small tech company, I've done my fair share 1489 01:25:24,390 --> 01:25:27,300 of frontline support for many years. And it's, I always have a 1490 01:25:27,300 --> 01:25:29,940 lot of respect for for support reps now that I'm on the other 1491 01:25:29,940 --> 01:25:30,270 end of it, 1492 01:25:30,299 --> 01:25:33,359 Adam Curry: indeed. And I even had to shoot an email back. 1493 01:25:33,389 --> 01:25:38,129 Someone copied me on a very angry emailed to pod verse. And 1494 01:25:38,129 --> 01:25:42,209 I'm like, Hey, calm down, simmer down down a summer. And let me 1495 01:25:42,209 --> 01:25:46,079 tell you what's going on here. was really rude. People give you 1496 01:25:46,079 --> 01:25:49,589 so rude. So we thank a few people. Dave, since we're about 1497 01:25:49,589 --> 01:25:53,129 a buck 26 Here. Oh, yeah, sure. Yeah, look, that's because we 1498 01:25:53,129 --> 01:25:58,589 got so many, so many booths coming in. It's really it's been 1499 01:25:58,589 --> 01:26:01,619 a good day. I'll tell you. Let me let me just run through what 1500 01:26:01,619 --> 01:26:07,019 we have here. So far. We have Scott with 75,000 SATs, native 1501 01:26:07,019 --> 01:26:14,489 ads work. First line, cold podcast. That's all about. And 1502 01:26:14,489 --> 01:26:17,399 now listen, listen to this. We've got Mike Newman with 1503 01:26:17,399 --> 01:26:23,759 333 330 333 stats, live test booths from fountain beta on 1504 01:26:23,759 --> 01:26:24,629 Android. 1505 01:26:25,410 --> 01:26:29,160 Dave Jones: Oh, I have the sound pulled up fountain a while ago 1506 01:26:29,160 --> 01:26:33,420 and it has a head it did not notify me. But if you pull up 1507 01:26:33,450 --> 01:26:37,410 our show in the fountain app, it has a little Live button at the 1508 01:26:37,410 --> 01:26:39,390 top of it and I can tap it and listen live. 1509 01:26:39,450 --> 01:26:45,570 Adam Curry: Oh, okay. Well, I'm very excited about that. 70,776 1510 01:26:45,570 --> 01:26:49,530 from blueberry Dave How would I generate generate a GUID for a 1511 01:26:49,530 --> 01:26:52,410 live item I've been putting in the episode number every week 1512 01:26:52,410 --> 01:26:55,320 and something tells me that's not the correct way to go. 1513 01:26:56,790 --> 01:27:00,900 Dave Jones: Do it for the live. I mean, you just you just put it 1514 01:27:00,900 --> 01:27:04,050 in a stomach the gua tag you just got to do it. I 1515 01:27:04,050 --> 01:27:07,290 Adam Curry: think it means like the GUID for the for the 1516 01:27:07,290 --> 01:27:09,570 episode. I mean, you can put anything there as long as you 1517 01:27:09,570 --> 01:27:10,350 need go to Google 1518 01:27:10,350 --> 01:27:12,510 Mike Kadin: and search for the UU ID generator and you're all 1519 01:27:12,510 --> 01:27:13,080 set. Yeah, 1520 01:27:13,110 --> 01:27:15,150 Dave Jones: I mean, I've been banned on this 1521 01:27:15,150 --> 01:27:18,060 Adam Curry: show. I just use the episode number. That's that's 1522 01:27:18,060 --> 01:27:18,900 valid, right? 1523 01:27:19,530 --> 01:27:22,170 Dave Jones: What's Yeah, yeah, the enclosure you can use the 1524 01:27:22,170 --> 01:27:23,970 enclosure URL like that. 1525 01:27:24,000 --> 01:27:27,960 Adam Curry: I think there may be maybe a confusion with the with 1526 01:27:27,960 --> 01:27:33,300 the podcast good, which is different. There's Nathan 1527 01:27:33,330 --> 01:27:37,170 gathright. We of course, we discussed his his question about 1528 01:27:37,170 --> 01:27:41,670 the UL IDs 20 to 22 Short Row ducks. Stephen B public service 1529 01:27:41,670 --> 01:27:45,180 announcement. Curio caster has switched to lb wallet and he 1530 01:27:45,180 --> 01:27:48,330 SATs left in your legacy wallet after June 15 will be donated to 1531 01:27:48,330 --> 01:27:52,140 the podcasting 2.0 Summer pizza party. Well 1532 01:27:54,270 --> 01:27:54,720 Unknown: please 1533 01:27:55,260 --> 01:27:57,480 Adam Curry: log into curio castle to transfer your legacy 1534 01:27:57,480 --> 01:28:02,100 sounds to lb wallet. All right. There's the foreign 44,444 from 1535 01:28:02,100 --> 01:28:06,060 Martin here's his note. He says I promised to match dribs baller 1536 01:28:06,060 --> 01:28:09,660 boosts let's double it instead so much to fix and improve but 1537 01:28:09,660 --> 01:28:12,960 feels awesome for pod friend 2.0 to be out in the open already 1538 01:28:12,960 --> 01:28:16,290 got so much great feedback and notice so many bugs desktop 1539 01:28:16,290 --> 01:28:20,400 client and apps are coming as soon as humanly possible. Okay 1540 01:28:20,490 --> 01:28:22,500 desktop client even Wow 1541 01:28:22,530 --> 01:28:26,160 Dave Jones: congratulations. That's launching a new app is 1542 01:28:26,160 --> 01:28:28,380 always a huge deal it sure is grasp brother 1543 01:28:28,410 --> 01:28:31,320 Adam Curry: yeah we and we've been just waiting and watching 1544 01:28:31,320 --> 01:28:34,590 and seeing you be I'll come back into the community we really 1545 01:28:34,590 --> 01:28:37,860 love seeing you back I love sushi 10,000 SATs a girl like me 1546 01:28:37,860 --> 01:28:42,360 test boost oh that oh, okay, that's from the previous 1547 01:28:42,360 --> 01:28:45,240 episode. All right. slipped in here. Very good. Sir Brian of 1548 01:28:45,240 --> 01:28:49,980 London 31,948 is real boost. The problem with the live show time 1549 01:28:49,980 --> 01:28:54,180 is a clash with Shabbat dinner in Israel. No, that is a 1550 01:28:54,180 --> 01:28:57,960 problem. We are very very Jewish insensitive here on the show. 1551 01:28:58,380 --> 01:29:01,710 Yes, what is Shabbat? Shabbat is Friday night it's like no 1552 01:29:01,710 --> 01:29:07,980 technology the Sabbath? Yeah. Yeah, you got nothing. But I'm 1553 01:29:08,100 --> 01:29:12,390 I'm reliably informed from the Durham report that this podcast 1554 01:29:12,390 --> 01:29:19,470 is kosher. Appendix it is it's in the Durham report. Eric p p 1555 01:29:19,500 --> 01:29:22,830 short road ducks fudge he says got it hard hat and this is all 1556 01:29:22,830 --> 01:29:33,780 booths from the song and meet us 101010 Sakala 20 is play. He 1557 01:29:33,780 --> 01:29:37,500 indeed informed us to live art is changing. He says that's hot. 1558 01:29:39,900 --> 01:29:46,770 Chimp with 55,026. Boosting with scissors. Another one 112 12 106 1559 01:29:46,770 --> 01:29:50,430 boosting with scissors. Another short row of ducks from hard hat 1560 01:29:50,610 --> 01:29:56,580 and a millennial with 7777 Burr. There we got a whole bunch of 1561 01:29:56,970 --> 01:30:04,290 both up there's another Dred Scott 12345 520 is blades only 1562 01:30:04,290 --> 01:30:09,180 Impala I'm pretty sure he was sending that during during the 1563 01:30:09,210 --> 01:30:14,160 money printing go Burr. I might play that after at the very end 1564 01:30:14,160 --> 01:30:16,830 of the show after we say goodbye just play it again just to see 1565 01:30:16,830 --> 01:30:19,080 the Alkmaar change again. I want to see that work. 1566 01:30:19,530 --> 01:30:20,700 Dave Jones: And that's my ringtone now 1567 01:30:22,740 --> 01:30:27,150 Adam Curry: it's a drinking song. Eric p p 22,222. Now 1568 01:30:27,150 --> 01:30:33,870 that's what we call a row a duck's Thank you very much. 808 1569 01:30:33,870 --> 01:30:36,900 from anonymous lit in the words of weird outlets all about the 1570 01:30:36,900 --> 01:30:42,480 Pentiums baby running with scissors. Very much. Then we had 1571 01:30:42,540 --> 01:30:45,600 there's the big bear the big super big row of ducks from Dred 1572 01:30:45,600 --> 01:30:49,980 Scott that we thanked him for earlier. Where are we loving the 1573 01:30:49,980 --> 01:30:53,580 tunes on my cycle home from fountain HQ. That was from Nick 1574 01:30:53,580 --> 01:31:00,120 2100 SATs a whole bunch of tests booths from from people. P shin. 1575 01:31:00,150 --> 01:31:03,990 Now that's a sorry, wrong one. Oh, and then I hit the 1576 01:31:03,990 --> 01:31:06,660 delimiter. So I will let you take over from here, Dave. 1577 01:31:07,410 --> 01:31:11,340 Dave Jones: We've got three. We got three weekly papers. We got 1578 01:31:11,340 --> 01:31:19,980 a from see Mike $123.45 Wow. Thank you, sir. Yeah, he says 1579 01:31:19,980 --> 01:31:22,920 please keep the music going. Or better yet revive the daily 1580 01:31:22,920 --> 01:31:25,560 source code with the personal split tracks and bring back 1581 01:31:25,560 --> 01:31:29,430 FUBAR Friday, even if it's only a bug a bonus segment of the PC 1582 01:31:29,430 --> 01:31:33,240 2.0 boardroom soundtrack to my life with much love sir Mike in 1583 01:31:33,240 --> 01:31:33,960 Kansas City 1584 01:31:33,990 --> 01:31:37,440 Adam Curry: did did James Cridland did he read did someone 1585 01:31:37,440 --> 01:31:40,500 revive the daily source code? Is that now a feed back in the 1586 01:31:40,500 --> 01:31:42,240 index that I did? I 1587 01:31:43,650 --> 01:31:47,250 Dave Jones: found that really nananana he revived that old 1588 01:31:47,250 --> 01:31:47,670 thing with 1589 01:31:47,670 --> 01:31:50,550 Adam Curry: Oh no with Dave Weiner. If someone would revive 1590 01:31:50,580 --> 01:31:55,740 let me just see daily source code me see if it's still need, 1591 01:31:56,220 --> 01:31:59,640 though. There's Adam courage daily source code and it's in 1592 01:31:59,640 --> 01:32:00,030 there. 1593 01:32:00,600 --> 01:32:03,060 Dave Jones: Is it is it is it legit? Does it work? 1594 01:32:03,870 --> 01:32:05,580 Adam Curry: Let me see if probably I wonder if it has 1595 01:32:05,580 --> 01:32:10,950 files attached to it. Let's see. Now it doesn't seem like the 1596 01:32:10,950 --> 01:32:14,400 files are now the files are all missing. 1597 01:32:15,480 --> 01:32:18,390 Dave Jones: I seen there's no telling what that got me He 1598 01:32:18,390 --> 01:32:20,670 resurrects things from the dead all the time, because the 1599 01:32:20,670 --> 01:32:25,170 Adam Curry: last episode was February 16 2009. Now that 1600 01:32:25,170 --> 01:32:28,440 doesn't sound right. Maybe it was I don't know. All right. But 1601 01:32:28,440 --> 01:32:31,320 anyway, yeah, I'm ready. I just need one or two more apps that 1602 01:32:31,860 --> 01:32:36,600 can switch the blocks and I'm good to go. There it is. That's 1603 01:32:36,600 --> 01:32:37,260 my promise and 1604 01:32:37,260 --> 01:32:43,380 Dave Jones: formulas. Yep. Tyler Weitzman, $75 no note Thank you 1605 01:32:43,410 --> 01:32:50,310 Tyler. appreciate ya. We get Jesse $110 No note thank you 1606 01:32:50,310 --> 01:32:54,060 just that's our this are PayPals 1607 01:32:54,510 --> 01:32:57,900 Adam Curry: we are so we have so successfully transitioned from 1608 01:32:58,170 --> 01:33:01,170 from Fiat to Bitcoin I'm so proud of us. 1609 01:33:02,730 --> 01:33:08,100 Dave Jones: Are our Davis 87 700 SAS A says boosting the hot web 1610 01:33:08,100 --> 01:33:15,660 hook talk yay Yeah, chaos 99 1200 SATs keep up the work 1611 01:33:15,840 --> 01:33:19,290 the Add pressures is turning more towards your vision to add 1612 01:33:19,290 --> 01:33:22,710 pressure pressures. I don't know I don't feel add pressure. 1613 01:33:22,740 --> 01:33:24,480 Adam Curry: I don't feel any pressure at all. Actually. 1614 01:33:24,810 --> 01:33:31,050 Dave Jones: I don't really I'm loose. Way drips god. Wait, when 1615 01:33:31,050 --> 01:33:34,080 does this oh, this was this was last week at five o'clock in 1616 01:33:34,200 --> 01:33:37,770 Central Time. dribs got tu tu tu tu tu 1617 01:33:38,249 --> 01:33:40,499 Adam Curry: tu mandrup Thank you so much. 1618 01:33:40,770 --> 01:33:44,220 Dave Jones: A mad log a gigantic duck. He's a boosting for the 1619 01:33:44,250 --> 01:33:44,730 Mirga 1620 01:33:44,820 --> 01:33:47,310 Adam Curry: here with the Bruce Wayne of podcasting. 2.0 1621 01:33:47,910 --> 01:33:51,570 Dave Jones: boosting for the boost boost enjoy the music. Is 1622 01:33:51,570 --> 01:33:57,210 this him again? Is him again another 222,200 Just follow 1623 01:33:57,210 --> 01:34:01,830 Adam Curry: him again. 20 is only Ambala Thank you man. 1624 01:34:01,830 --> 01:34:04,440 Appreciate that so much. Does he have a T shirt? Have we sent him 1625 01:34:04,440 --> 01:34:06,450 a t shirt has even asked for a T shirt? 1626 01:34:06,660 --> 01:34:08,340 Dave Jones: I don't know if he's even asked for one. 1627 01:34:08,700 --> 01:34:11,310 Adam Curry: You better send us your details. We want to send 1628 01:34:11,310 --> 01:34:13,560 you a podcast and 2.0 t shirt. 1629 01:34:14,039 --> 01:34:18,959 Dave Jones: Yep. Jean bien. Tu tu tu tu tu fountain he says 1630 01:34:18,959 --> 01:34:22,829 seeing Satoshis come in it is amazing feeling. It is it is a 1631 01:34:22,829 --> 01:34:29,459 great feeling. Auburn Citadel to two booths of 49,000 SATs no 1632 01:34:29,459 --> 01:34:34,889 note thank you Auburn Citadel Jean been at 649 again through 1633 01:34:34,889 --> 01:34:37,619 Felty says I'm loving hearing more emphasis on doing one thing 1634 01:34:37,619 --> 01:34:41,369 and one thing well when it comes to tags keeping keep embracing 1635 01:34:41,369 --> 01:34:46,199 the Unix philosophy it's what we're here to do. Yes, Jean been 1636 01:34:46,199 --> 01:34:51,419 4096 That's a four kilobit boost through curio Castries at 1637 01:34:51,419 --> 01:34:54,359 Android rusty gates, a girl like me enough to set up a curio 1638 01:34:54,359 --> 01:34:57,539 caster so they'd get some extra sets, boosting an artist from 1639 01:34:57,539 --> 01:35:03,029 the podcasting 2.0 show is just cool. Yes, it is. See, we get 1640 01:35:03,569 --> 01:35:07,559 1024 as a one kilobyte boost from Gene base and maybe you all 1641 01:35:07,559 --> 01:35:10,739 could add a song at the end of each episode after the normal 1642 01:35:10,739 --> 01:35:12,929 outro almost like a poster. Oh, you just 1643 01:35:12,959 --> 01:35:16,349 Adam Curry: that's exactly what we're gonna do today. And make 1644 01:35:16,349 --> 01:35:18,719 sure you you boost them live. We want to see that then go to the 1645 01:35:18,719 --> 01:35:19,679 top of the charts. 1646 01:35:20,130 --> 01:35:22,320 Dave Jones: It would be easy to skip for anyone not interested 1647 01:35:22,320 --> 01:35:27,900 but also likely get sets for many of us. Mike Newman 33 333 1648 01:35:27,900 --> 01:35:30,660 says catchy tune thank you for your courage. We're welcome. 1649 01:35:30,660 --> 01:35:34,470 Thank you, Mike. Thank you again. Elissa. He's doubled that 1650 01:35:34,470 --> 01:35:39,510 he's just sent two of those. So 66 666 Mere Mortals podcast 22 1651 01:35:39,510 --> 01:35:42,360 to 22 through family said this was one of my favorite episodes 1652 01:35:42,360 --> 01:35:46,650 yet. Informational. Funny, inspiring, revolutionary, 1653 01:35:46,650 --> 01:35:49,380 innovative. I'm just out of adjectives. I love you guys. 1654 01:35:49,890 --> 01:35:50,790 Adam Curry: Love you too, man. 1655 01:35:53,040 --> 01:35:57,600 Dave Jones: 3000 SATs from SC Ott, native ad free phones and 1656 01:35:57,600 --> 01:35:58,140 more. 1657 01:36:01,290 --> 01:36:02,730 Adam Curry: Are you still using the lite phone? 1658 01:36:03,330 --> 01:36:04,830 Dave Jones: Yeah, yes, my daily driver. 1659 01:36:04,860 --> 01:36:07,590 Adam Curry: I'm amazed there's a lot of little pieces of 1660 01:36:07,590 --> 01:36:10,230 functionality in there. I wasn't that's not in the brochure. I'm 1661 01:36:10,230 --> 01:36:11,760 quite a mammoth closets. 1662 01:36:11,790 --> 01:36:12,750 Mike Kadin: I think it's so interesting. 1663 01:36:12,780 --> 01:36:16,410 Adam Curry: It's 299 which is not cheap. That's what most 1664 01:36:16,410 --> 01:36:20,430 people buy that's too expensive but I mean this the it's really 1665 01:36:20,430 --> 01:36:22,380 quite chicks dig it. Let me tell you 1666 01:36:22,410 --> 01:36:25,050 Mike Kadin: I'll put 299 down to have my attention back. Yes, it 1667 01:36:25,050 --> 01:36:25,320 sounds 1668 01:36:26,970 --> 01:36:29,370 Adam Curry: not only do to get your attention back, but I'm 1669 01:36:29,370 --> 01:36:32,070 telling you you flip you put this on the on the table in a 1670 01:36:32,070 --> 01:36:35,910 restaurant. And chicks go Hey, what's that? Let me see that 1671 01:36:35,910 --> 01:36:38,580 thing. That's really cute. What is that is my phone baby. 1672 01:36:39,299 --> 01:36:43,319 Dave Jones: This so the key is you're buying a lifestyle. Not a 1673 01:36:43,319 --> 01:36:44,909 phone, though. Oh, 1674 01:36:44,910 --> 01:36:47,280 Adam Curry: there's the marketing. That isn't native. 1675 01:36:47,280 --> 01:36:53,070 Add your lifestyle. Well done. douchey. No, no, no. That's it. 1676 01:36:53,430 --> 01:36:56,460 299 That's right. But you know what? I'm buying a lifestyle. 1677 01:36:57,540 --> 01:37:00,240 Dave Jones: How much would you pay? Attention? Yes, 1678 01:37:00,270 --> 01:37:04,740 Adam Curry: yes, it's good. I'm completely weaned off. I rarely 1679 01:37:04,740 --> 01:37:08,910 use the the graphing novice. 1680 01:37:10,350 --> 01:37:13,200 Dave Jones: I've gotten most of my problems licked now. So I've 1681 01:37:13,200 --> 01:37:16,200 got the two factor authentication thing. I've 1682 01:37:16,200 --> 01:37:21,390 solved that by having the key No, no, I have a phone of an old 1683 01:37:21,930 --> 01:37:25,410 phone and that I found in a drawer at work with my with my 1684 01:37:25,410 --> 01:37:28,770 two factors on it. Sitting next to the computer. And then I've 1685 01:37:28,770 --> 01:37:33,210 got my phone here at the house. The iPhone is still the iPhone 1686 01:37:33,210 --> 01:37:36,750 still sitting there on my bedside table. I usually never 1687 01:37:36,750 --> 01:37:41,130 touch it. Only touch it once. Once a day. For the morning 1688 01:37:41,130 --> 01:37:43,650 constitutional with toilet toilet roller 1689 01:37:44,280 --> 01:37:46,380 Adam Curry: scroller. What are you going to do? 1690 01:37:47,520 --> 01:37:52,440 Dave Jones: Exactly. I just stare at the wall Mike. But then 1691 01:37:52,470 --> 01:37:58,650 the so I use have got that for the backup. But otherwise, other 1692 01:37:58,650 --> 01:38:04,740 than that, I'm LifeFone 99.9% of the time. Yeah, me too. It's 1693 01:38:04,740 --> 01:38:09,450 nice because if I have to walk the dog or something, I'll I'll 1694 01:38:09,450 --> 01:38:13,290 grab. I'll grab the light phone if I'm going to be listening to 1695 01:38:13,290 --> 01:38:15,600 a podcast that's not value for value and neighbor. 1696 01:38:15,840 --> 01:38:18,810 Adam Curry: Same thing. That's exactly what I do if it's not 1697 01:38:18,810 --> 01:38:21,600 value for value. I grabbed the light phone Oh, listen to it on 1698 01:38:21,600 --> 01:38:25,020 that. Yep, yep, yep, exactly. And I'm happy I'll be able to 1699 01:38:25,020 --> 01:38:28,320 use a pod friend. Now again on the desktop about you've been 1700 01:38:28,320 --> 01:38:34,230 using curio caster I do use the toilet scroller here at home if 1701 01:38:34,230 --> 01:38:36,780 I'm listening on my headphones to something that's value for 1702 01:38:36,780 --> 01:38:40,620 value. I gotta keep boosting, but not but I don't. But I don't 1703 01:38:40,620 --> 01:38:44,550 answer anything. There's nothing to answer. There's really 1704 01:38:44,550 --> 01:38:45,390 nothing to answer. 1705 01:38:45,930 --> 01:38:49,500 Dave Jones: And I like the fact that my kids text me they'll 1706 01:38:49,500 --> 01:38:52,920 text me like a link to it to a like tick tock video or 1707 01:38:52,920 --> 01:38:55,680 something like this, you know, in and I can't actually even 1708 01:38:55,680 --> 01:38:56,430 open this I'm just 1709 01:38:57,390 --> 01:39:00,840 Adam Curry: Oh no. And then it goes to your email. You can look 1710 01:39:00,840 --> 01:39:03,660 at it later. And so it's funny because just a minute ago, 1711 01:39:04,260 --> 01:39:07,620 today's our anniversary so I have a dinner plan to the rest 1712 01:39:07,620 --> 01:39:10,860 of the anniversary. Thank you. And so Rashard Rashard from 1713 01:39:10,860 --> 01:39:13,650 vaudeville. He texted me and he's he's got all the plans 1714 01:39:13,650 --> 01:39:16,680 ready. And so I muted my mic. And I because you know, it does 1715 01:39:16,680 --> 01:39:19,980 voice to text. And so I'm responding to him. And I stopped 1716 01:39:19,980 --> 01:39:22,830 talking and the thing keeps typing, it was literally hearing 1717 01:39:22,830 --> 01:39:27,090 through my headphones. And it was it was, it was typing out 1718 01:39:27,090 --> 01:39:28,590 all the stuff you guys were saying, 1719 01:39:29,370 --> 01:39:32,220 Dave Jones: Mike, this the minute the talk to text on the 1720 01:39:32,220 --> 01:39:35,550 light phone uses Rev. And I don't know what sort of black 1721 01:39:35,550 --> 01:39:39,660 magic is in this thing, but it is extraordinarily good. It's 1722 01:39:39,660 --> 01:39:43,800 really good. Yeah, the hardest part is to free is to stop 1723 01:39:43,800 --> 01:39:44,400 saying 1724 01:39:44,430 --> 01:39:47,250 Adam Curry: like automation mark, question mark, comma. You 1725 01:39:47,250 --> 01:39:49,920 don't have to just does it? Yeah, and 1726 01:39:49,920 --> 01:39:52,170 Dave Jones: I'll say sometimes I'll say New paragraph and then 1727 01:39:52,170 --> 01:39:55,290 it'll just say it'll type out new paragraph like you have to 1728 01:39:55,290 --> 01:39:58,260 stop giving it grammar but other than that, like it is killer. 1729 01:39:58,290 --> 01:39:59,490 Yeah, it's just no monthly 1730 01:39:59,490 --> 01:40:01,470 Mike Kadin: costs. The phone because that must be pretty 1731 01:40:01,470 --> 01:40:03,000 expensive for them. Description. 1732 01:40:03,810 --> 01:40:07,290 Adam Curry: I don't know what they're using. Rev you said Dave 1733 01:40:07,290 --> 01:40:07,950 What is Rev? 1734 01:40:08,640 --> 01:40:11,370 Dave Jones: That was my understand rev rev is like a 1735 01:40:12,420 --> 01:40:15,030 like a talk to text transcription service. 1736 01:40:15,060 --> 01:40:17,640 Adam Curry: No. Well, there's no there's no there's no cost for 1737 01:40:17,640 --> 01:40:17,940 that. 1738 01:40:19,050 --> 01:40:20,880 Dave Jones: Yeah, I don't know how they're doing it. No no. 1739 01:40:22,050 --> 01:40:24,870 Cole McCormack 25,000 SATs through fountain he says here's 1740 01:40:24,870 --> 01:40:28,680 my regular shilling for found on FM because found this fire yay 1741 01:40:28,710 --> 01:40:32,580 also in the last month as seen an increase of value for my show 1742 01:40:32,580 --> 01:40:35,700 America plus, feeling very blessed shout out to Sir drip 1743 01:40:35,700 --> 01:40:38,850 Scott for giving me my first baller boost. gamify everything 1744 01:40:38,850 --> 01:40:39,570 go podcasting? 1745 01:40:39,600 --> 01:40:41,400 Adam Curry: Yeah, yeah, podcast. 1746 01:40:45,600 --> 01:40:48,660 Dave Jones: 25,000 SATs from fountain through fountain for 1747 01:40:48,660 --> 01:40:52,920 Mary Kate Ultra. Very excited for the future of V for V. 1748 01:40:54,360 --> 01:40:56,880 Adam Curry: Web. I'm yes, we're obviously pumped. 1749 01:40:57,630 --> 01:40:59,820 Dave Jones: Joel Doug, you gave us a special Richard. Thank you 1750 01:40:59,820 --> 01:41:05,400 Joe. Let's see 3333 from Chad f no note Chad. Thank you another 1751 01:41:05,400 --> 01:41:12,450 3333 from Chad F. A monkey gave us 3333 says boot. No, no, no 1752 01:41:12,450 --> 01:41:19,950 boot today. Scott Sikora 10,000 Sassy say great song. Got a 1753 01:41:19,950 --> 01:41:24,510 bunch of have no note booths. These look like booths through 1754 01:41:24,510 --> 01:41:30,930 fountain from Alwyn from CAST ematic Thank you Alan. Be mozzie 1755 01:41:30,930 --> 01:41:33,750 5000 SATs through fountains a streaming and boosting for 1756 01:41:33,750 --> 01:41:40,680 music. Yay it's a hit Thank you Alan Allen's dunes bus much 1757 01:41:40,680 --> 01:41:46,140 testing Jason from podcast Guru 31 337 through through the 1758 01:41:46,140 --> 01:41:50,340 podcasts guru episode yeah yes guru I guess guru beta boost 1759 01:41:52,560 --> 01:41:53,580 Adam Curry: beta boost 1760 01:41:56,010 --> 01:42:01,830 Dave Jones: so I was Jason said that initially the I don't know 1761 01:42:01,830 --> 01:42:05,100 if we talked about this boom podcast Guru is out right now 1762 01:42:05,100 --> 01:42:08,220 only boosting the valuable arcs that are in the feed in the 1763 01:42:09,180 --> 01:42:11,100 Adam Curry: not from the not from the Shem 1764 01:42:11,640 --> 01:42:13,470 Dave Jones: for not from the shear but he said that's coming 1765 01:42:13,500 --> 01:42:19,710 so cool, man. We're Cool cool cool. Marks 31 111 through 1766 01:42:19,710 --> 01:42:22,950 fountain he says y'all discussed pod stir for like 82 seconds. 1767 01:42:25,170 --> 01:42:28,320 I'm good with that. As he says appreciate the honest feedback 1768 01:42:28,320 --> 01:42:30,750 on the idea definitely don't want to be a corpse on the 1769 01:42:30,750 --> 01:42:34,170 replace RSS trail. But definitely do want to go get an 1770 01:42:34,170 --> 01:42:37,740 Austrian podcasting two point I'm making sweet deal say love 1771 01:42:37,950 --> 01:42:38,700 more to come. 1772 01:42:39,690 --> 01:42:44,820 Adam Curry: It makes so much sense to just create a nasty 1773 01:42:44,850 --> 01:42:49,590 podcast client that does boosts just forget the ZAP part. That's 1774 01:42:49,590 --> 01:42:52,170 what everyone's hung up on. That's all 1775 01:42:52,200 --> 01:42:59,070 Dave Jones: Yeah, yeah. And also marks I mean, it's not I think 1776 01:42:59,070 --> 01:43:03,270 you can integrate nostre in podcasting in a lot of ways that 1777 01:43:03,270 --> 01:43:07,380 are not the replays RSS part. Like if you if you just 1778 01:43:07,380 --> 01:43:13,440 integrate with RSS as it is, you can still do like, I think you 1779 01:43:13,440 --> 01:43:17,460 can still do most of what you're wanting to do. It's just the the 1780 01:43:17,460 --> 01:43:22,260 RSS is going to be just honestly impossible to replace. It's just 1781 01:43:22,260 --> 01:43:23,190 not going to happen. 1782 01:43:23,610 --> 01:43:26,940 Adam Curry: So Honey Badger man, it's just a honey badger. It's 1783 01:43:26,940 --> 01:43:29,400 like you can't you can't get rid of it. It's not going to Spotify 1784 01:43:29,400 --> 01:43:31,350 Mike Kadin: has put billions into trying and yes, 1785 01:43:31,530 --> 01:43:33,780 Adam Curry: thank you. Yes, excellent point. Excellent point 1786 01:43:33,780 --> 01:43:34,380 my perfect 1787 01:43:34,380 --> 01:43:36,930 Dave Jones: point perfect point and but but but like there's so 1788 01:43:36,930 --> 01:43:39,750 much cool stuff that you could do that I would love to see you 1789 01:43:39,750 --> 01:43:42,480 do. And like I do want, like I would love to see you do this 1790 01:43:42,480 --> 01:43:48,870 stuff. jpg send us. Satchel Richards Thank you JPEG 1776. 1791 01:43:48,870 --> 01:43:52,200 Just listening says so excited for fountain going lit. The 1792 01:43:52,200 --> 01:43:54,780 musical development is amazing. Thank you for all your work. And 1793 01:43:54,780 --> 01:43:57,270 thank you to all of the developers go podcasting. Yeah, 1794 01:43:57,270 --> 01:44:04,740 go developers. Bore logs and 20,000 SATs. I can't thank you 1795 01:44:04,740 --> 01:44:07,320 enough for all that you're doing strong work, gentlemen. Thank 1796 01:44:07,320 --> 01:44:12,660 you Borlaug. Thank you. Chad F 5000. SAS from pod friend 1797 01:44:12,780 --> 01:44:15,510 sending a test boost from pod friend to Electric Boogaloo. 1798 01:44:17,610 --> 01:44:21,480 That's a movie prep anybody younger than 41? We understand. 1799 01:44:21,750 --> 01:44:27,420 Right? And we got the delimiter covestro, blogger 30 30152 found 1800 01:44:27,420 --> 01:44:30,720 and he says darling Dave, and admirable Adam, what champions 1801 01:44:30,720 --> 01:44:33,900 are you who take upon yourselves cues of universal divine 1802 01:44:33,900 --> 01:44:37,230 inspiration to provide the Earth and all its things a clear and 1803 01:44:37,230 --> 01:44:41,700 defined pathway to undiluted conversation, an art so ancient 1804 01:44:41,700 --> 01:44:44,670 that without it, all of our shared futures would be in dire 1805 01:44:44,670 --> 01:44:48,630 peril. Look forward to the episode of our podcast AI dot 1806 01:44:48,630 --> 01:44:52,140 cookie, wherein we report upon the union of artificial 1807 01:44:52,140 --> 01:44:55,080 intelligence and podcasting for it is never further away than 1808 01:44:55,080 --> 01:44:58,020 the current moment. Yosi is being worth behold. 1809 01:44:58,049 --> 01:45:01,829 Adam Curry: Thank you. cspn Wolf. Have any monthlies Thank 1810 01:45:01,829 --> 01:45:02,309 you before 1811 01:45:02,760 --> 01:45:06,690 Dave Jones: we do we guess we get David Norman $25. 1812 01:45:07,080 --> 01:45:12,090 Adam Curry: Thank you, David for putting HTTPS into the into 1813 01:45:12,090 --> 01:45:16,200 hyper catcher. And I believe that got sir. He got a cert. I 1814 01:45:16,200 --> 01:45:19,230 believe that now all works. And now our podcast and 2.0 1815 01:45:19,230 --> 01:45:22,890 transcript is showing up in the appropriate places that require 1816 01:45:22,890 --> 01:45:24,210 to assert. 1817 01:45:24,870 --> 01:45:28,800 Dave Jones: Nice, yeah. Paul Saltzman $22.20 Derek J. 1818 01:45:28,800 --> 01:45:34,770 Vickery. $21. Damon, Cassie, Jack $15, Jeremy Gertz $5. And 1819 01:45:34,770 --> 01:45:37,230 Trevor and Zeno are $5 in that circle. 1820 01:45:37,500 --> 01:45:39,510 Adam Curry: And thank you all very much this has value for 1821 01:45:39,510 --> 01:45:41,970 value you you're supporting the podcast, but you're really 1822 01:45:41,970 --> 01:45:45,930 supporting the entire project, the index, all of the machines 1823 01:45:46,650 --> 01:45:49,950 and of course, liquidity on the node anyone who needs a channel 1824 01:45:49,950 --> 01:45:52,440 that includes you Mike, if we need to Rio, we're probably 1825 01:45:52,440 --> 01:45:54,180 going to have to reopen the channel if you're still 1826 01:45:54,180 --> 01:46:00,600 interested in in reviving your Chia Pet otherwise, I'm glad you 1827 01:46:00,600 --> 01:46:04,080 opened up again, lb Wallet. So we'll be able to put you in the 1828 01:46:04,080 --> 01:46:06,990 split for today's show. Thank you. If you go to podcast 1829 01:46:06,990 --> 01:46:10,350 index.org at the bottom, you see two red donate buttons, one for 1830 01:46:10,350 --> 01:46:13,470 your Fiat fund coupons. And we also have a tally coin. And of 1831 01:46:13,470 --> 01:46:19,110 course 49 minutes ago, Dred Scott send us 37,188 Satoshis 1832 01:46:19,110 --> 01:46:23,610 through the tally coin with a tallyho. message telling Oh rip 1833 01:46:23,610 --> 01:46:25,920 just make sure the machinery is running. He's like, Oh, I need 1834 01:46:25,920 --> 01:46:28,920 some oil over here. I need some oil over here crooked or 1835 01:46:28,920 --> 01:46:31,680 whatever we tested yet. gloup gloup gloup Everything? 1836 01:46:32,250 --> 01:46:33,270 Dave Jones: He's like Pingdom. 1837 01:46:34,830 --> 01:46:39,690 Adam Curry: Yes. Oh my goodness. So again, we're gonna play the 1838 01:46:39,990 --> 01:46:43,560 our anthem or money printer Gober after the after the 1839 01:46:43,560 --> 01:46:46,830 closing credits after the end tune and I will be switching the 1840 01:46:46,830 --> 01:46:49,140 artwork and the value block if you want to test that with us 1841 01:46:49,140 --> 01:46:52,830 one more time. So we can see if we can get get that song to the 1842 01:46:52,830 --> 01:46:55,920 top of the wave Lake top 40 Before we even released the 1843 01:46:55,920 --> 01:47:02,100 podcast. I was looking at rusty gate. They have Baumann since 1844 01:47:02,160 --> 01:47:05,280 since last week, 328,000 Satoshis 1845 01:47:05,910 --> 01:47:06,840 Dave Jones: Ooh, nice. 1846 01:47:08,520 --> 01:47:11,790 Adam Curry: Joe Martin. Let's see high gravity. Well, he's on 1847 01:47:11,790 --> 01:47:15,990 the chart twice. 185,000. But he's, for some reason, it's in 1848 01:47:15,990 --> 01:47:19,920 there twice. What's the second one? I'm not sure how that 1849 01:47:19,920 --> 01:47:20,400 works. 1850 01:47:20,430 --> 01:47:23,460 Dave Jones: There is some kind of thing going on with Wave lake 1851 01:47:23,460 --> 01:47:27,450 and then wavelet. Guys, if you're if you're hearing this, 1852 01:47:27,480 --> 01:47:31,950 you check your feeds, because some there's two different feed 1853 01:47:31,950 --> 01:47:37,470 URLs being used. And it's outputting different ones. One 1854 01:47:37,470 --> 01:47:40,560 is like Playa dot wave lake.com. And the other one is just wave 1855 01:47:40,560 --> 01:47:41,220 like da 1856 01:47:41,220 --> 01:47:43,830 Adam Curry: and that'll screw up their stats. Yeah. 1857 01:47:44,940 --> 01:47:48,330 Dave Jones: Michael or Samuel need to like check that and see 1858 01:47:48,330 --> 01:47:54,930 what's going on. Because some of it must be wrong. Right. Yeah, 1859 01:47:54,930 --> 01:47:59,400 Mike, do you? Do you have anything coming down the pipe as 1860 01:47:59,400 --> 01:48:01,860 far as 2.0 tags or support for anything? 1861 01:48:02,910 --> 01:48:06,240 Mike Kadin: Not immediately. Some of the stuff that we're 1862 01:48:06,240 --> 01:48:08,550 planning to do next is some of the other kind of low hanging 1863 01:48:08,550 --> 01:48:12,750 fruit stuff like person and a good, which we don't have, you 1864 01:48:12,750 --> 01:48:15,870 know, there's just a couple form fields, things like that. And 1865 01:48:15,870 --> 01:48:18,240 then yeah, like I said, you know, I can see us working on 1866 01:48:18,240 --> 01:48:20,730 value value at some point in the future, just kind of waiting for 1867 01:48:20,730 --> 01:48:22,860 my moment to pull the trigger. 1868 01:48:23,790 --> 01:48:26,640 Adam Curry: Excellent. I just saw that rusty Shackleford just 1869 01:48:26,640 --> 01:48:30,900 posted a link. There apparently is a daily source code podcast, 1870 01:48:30,900 --> 01:48:36,510 GitHub. We're, we're assembling we're reassembling the show on 1871 01:48:36,510 --> 01:48:40,830 GitHub. Good. Well, maybe I have all the jingles so maybe I 1872 01:48:40,830 --> 01:48:43,200 should I should just I should react to it and looking for a 1873 01:48:43,200 --> 01:48:46,560 name anyway. Are you back reactivate that mic man, I want 1874 01:48:46,560 --> 01:48:48,360 to thank you very much for hanging out with us. Thank you 1875 01:48:48,360 --> 01:48:51,540 for giving us this was fun, giving us all the insights and 1876 01:48:51,540 --> 01:48:55,320 the Dai stuff and I think we saw some stuff actually that we can 1877 01:48:55,320 --> 01:48:58,740 turn into something we can codify right Dave? 1878 01:48:59,220 --> 01:49:01,110 Dave Jones: Yeah, I think so. I mean, I think what I would like 1879 01:49:01,110 --> 01:49:06,690 to do is just try to try to document what we discussed with 1880 01:49:06,720 --> 01:49:13,590 maybe try to first crack with a U lid or or the header and then 1881 01:49:13,620 --> 01:49:16,770 just read you know, read the spec and then let you have a you 1882 01:49:16,770 --> 01:49:19,500 know have a look at it and see what you think. Yeah, sounds 1883 01:49:19,500 --> 01:49:23,460 good because we do need a spec okay yeah cuz I agree we do need 1884 01:49:23,460 --> 01:49:25,830 a spec so if you if you want to work with me on that a bit 1885 01:49:25,830 --> 01:49:28,680 that'd be awesome and I'll pull Nathan into sure 1886 01:49:29,160 --> 01:49:30,900 Adam Curry: All right. Thank you very much chat room for being 1887 01:49:30,900 --> 01:49:33,720 with us for boosting us remember to stick around live on curio 1888 01:49:33,720 --> 01:49:38,610 caster to boost the money printer go birdsong. Dave back 1889 01:49:38,610 --> 01:49:39,510 to the chicks man. 1890 01:49:41,580 --> 01:49:43,320 Dave Jones: No, back to the mob. This was gonna have 1891 01:49:44,160 --> 01:49:46,470 Adam Curry: horrible I'm gonna see if I can take my drug dog 1892 01:49:46,470 --> 01:49:51,000 out for a walk. We have a not a good animal day today. Buddy, 1893 01:49:51,000 --> 01:49:53,220 thank you very much for being here for the board meeting. 1894 01:49:53,220 --> 01:49:55,470 We'll be back next week with another one on Friday. Until 1895 01:49:55,470 --> 01:49:58,500 then we'll see you here on podcasting 2.0 1896 01:50:14,040 --> 01:50:18,600 Unknown: You have been listening to podcasting 2.0 Visit podcast 1897 01:50:18,600 --> 01:50:24,690 index dashboard for more information just shitposting 1898 01:50:35,460 --> 01:50:39,300 money printer money printing money printing money printing 1899 01:50:39,300 --> 01:50:44,040 money printing money printer machines like coefficient sheets 1900 01:50:44,040 --> 01:50:51,570 okay all in Bitcoin as the freedom money money to get in 1901 01:50:51,570 --> 01:51:01,350 touch yet to print it instantly God system pops into the ether 1902 01:51:01,350 --> 01:51:07,410 baby angel TV do you think of some Gallup constant stock 1903 01:51:07,410 --> 01:51:10,560 pumping up that from fiat money existent oh she's the human cup 1904 01:51:10,920 --> 01:51:13,980 getting understand the Forgot blur central bank Mockingjay 1905 01:51:13,980 --> 01:51:17,490 McAlinden heavy heavy heavy helicopter money printing, money 1906 01:51:17,490 --> 01:51:21,870 printing, money printing money printing money printing money 1907 01:51:21,870 --> 01:51:25,080 printing machine coefficient contactless Satoshis okay on 1908 01:51:25,080 --> 01:51:29,460 Bitcoin money printing, money printing, money printing money 1909 01:51:29,460 --> 01:51:33,630 printing money printing demand the printer machine coefficient 1910 01:51:33,630 --> 01:51:37,770 printer printer process and get all the money printed harpies 1911 01:51:37,770 --> 01:51:42,480 into the stock form carbon atom faston monoprint up questionable 1912 01:51:43,230 --> 01:51:47,700 behavior inconsistent close copy times Wi Fi custom copy not 1913 01:51:47,700 --> 01:51:51,030 shown in the shopping because cupboard the mustard to stolen 1914 01:51:51,570 --> 01:51:55,380 money printer locked in and to fly to China and fresh bag and 1915 01:51:55,380 --> 01:51:59,790 get the stuff set by the landlord the cash creaky punk 1916 01:51:59,790 --> 01:52:03,270 rock is excellent enhanced motors that keep me money print 1917 01:52:03,570 --> 01:52:09,000 money out of thin air content now the bazooka show spotlight 1918 01:52:09,030 --> 01:52:12,930 shows it in hookah I invoke talk spoken shine below two man hours 1919 01:52:12,930 --> 01:52:18,120 of the machinery Martin fucking fiat money printing money 1920 01:52:18,120 --> 01:52:22,440 printing, money printing money printing money print on demand 1921 01:52:22,440 --> 01:52:26,940 the printer machine the coefficient on in money 1922 01:52:26,940 --> 01:52:30,720 printing, money printing, money printing money printing money 1923 01:52:30,720 --> 01:52:36,300 printing money printing machine the coefficient on the coin 1924 01:52:49,830 --> 01:52:50,460 boost