Adam Curry: podcasting 2.0 From May 26 2023, episode 134 GPG
Well, hello everybody, welcome to podcasting. 2.0 the podcast
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index dot social I'm Adam curry here in the heart of the Texas
Hill Country and Alabama the man who has only five emails in his
inbox say hello to my friend on the other end ladies and
gentlemen Mr. Dave Jones
Dave Jones: straight up JT
Adam Curry: I saw only five emails in it but that must have
been just the podcast index inbox right?
Dave Jones: Oh yeah, my other seven inboxes they're all loaded
up. No,
Adam Curry: I'm a universal inbox kind of guy. I'm like give
it all to me at one point No, really? No,
Dave Jones: no, no, no, no, there's way too much. Now this
is that's terrifying to even think about
Adam Curry: but I filter I filter stuff into into other
places. Now because
Dave Jones: you're the horrible thing that happens when you have
unified inbox is you end up responding from the wrong
account.
Adam Curry: Well, no, no no. Excuse me. Okay, no, I
understand what you're saying because I you know, like pod
info podcast index.org They get Adam mccurry.com back they don't
get stuck Yeah,
Dave Jones: don't do that. I can't do that. Yeah, I gotta
keep that separation of concerns.
Adam Curry: Do you have separate you separate email programs do
you have used like a Gmail and there's something else really
Dave Jones: what I need I am so horribly ADHD that I need. I
need to have separate like distinct I will use separate
email clients just to keep myself in check. Wow, from
messing up. Wow, that is I mean I'll use different Brett I use
like four different browsers I'll use edge chrome brave and
in Firefox, just to keep things like on the same computer at the
same time just to keep things in different like organized
differently well, it helps me to have to it helps me not to have
to think about it so I can be rapid response
Adam Curry: well this is where our roads separate my friend.
This is where we differ quite a bit at night okay my pitch you
see my pitch to Bitcoin 2024
Dave Jones: No, I did that that was that was a nice pitch. Right
I don't think you had to pitch hard because they were really
they're ready to get the ball in the mood no matter what.
Adam Curry: Did you see the whole thread because it was a
longer thread with a they were Yeah, they were almost begging
me like hey man can't come to Bitcoin K coming to Miami. Like
no man I really don't I'm not coming to Miami this year.
Dave Jones: And nothing against Miami people I don't know if you
call him Miamians or whatever. It's just not my talent. I can't
I don't like that term.
Adam Curry: I don't like the fact that I need to you know
that I need to transfer flights there's no direct flight from
anywhere in this area. So no, it's just a hard No.
Dave Jones: The only time I've ever been we lived across the
street from a chicken that woke me up at a restaurant at 430 in
the morning every day which was so weird in downtown Miami so
Adam Curry: that's funny That's very funny
Dave Jones: man up so Melissa in Miracle they're gone like they
when they went to the beach go in um I'm by myself for for the
weekend. Hidden I'm going to be programming my fingers off and
doing a database upgrade. Upgrade I got a buddy of mine
gave me a smoker gave me his old smoker a couple nine a couple of
weeks. Now you're talking and South preps and some baby back
ribs before the show with Do you know meet church meet the church
meet church
Adam Curry: meet no I'm not familiar with meet church
Dave Jones: yeah they make they make rubs
Adam Curry: oh yes I do know Yeah. Oh, so you got your own
special rub the rub you like
Dave Jones: I got it's called this is called the Holy Gospel
and
Adam Curry: set you on fire.
Dave Jones: Yeah. saves you from the fire. This is all smoke no
fire that's Oh, I
Adam Curry: got a nice nice nice nice yeah, so
Dave Jones: we you know, I've prepped up some baby back ribs
are gonna turn around a smoker. Have you seen the pellet smokers
that had the wood pellets?
Adam Curry: I have. We've actually looked at those but I'm
not much of a smoker. I'm more like a Burnet
Dave Jones: shore blazers.
Adam Curry: Let me just finish up the Bitcoin pitch Usually
what we pitch is like, hey, you know, Bitcoin 20 fits in
Nashville this year. And I said, well, by coincidence, my partner
in podcasting 2.0, Dave and I, we've just been talking about it
because it's only a couple hours from his house and I can get a
direct flight from San Antonio to Nashville. So yeah, we'd be
happy to come and let me pitch you. Why don't we do a session
where we have a couple of app developers? A couple of
podcasters and a couple of musicians who are all benefiting
from this new ecosystem killer idea did they did they get back
to his yet because my email boxes to full
Dave Jones: minute man is not for so let me
Adam Curry: I am so behind you. I went I went to do Glenn Beck
on Tuesday, so that whole day was out. Then wednesday i Oh,
man, I had a massive adjustment to my mouth, which was kind of
fun.
Dave Jones: What do you what do you what do you mean by
adjustment to your mouth? Well, not something my mom did to me
when I was a kid if I
Adam Curry: know so now we have now the the the posts are in
right of eight posts in there. And we're getting close to
starting to do the first actual teeth that you screw on to them
which will be temporaries because now we're we're going to
be training the gums so so you don't have like this you know
two straight line gum you know you want to kind of flow over
you want to look as natural as possible. So I'll have these
temporary teeth and they'll literally screw the man with
with a torque wrench and move them up Yeah, but wait, here's
the cool thing so so he's alright so now he had some
stitches to take out which is always out but they're
apparently on these these posts they're little caps kind of like
lug nuts he said let me know let me let me unscrew them. So he's
he's unscrewing them with with with an Allen wrench little mini
allen wrench and that's the weirdest feeling it's like like
your car
Dave Jones: get the air tool
Adam Curry: no matter what it wasn't when he wasn't with the
air tool. It was literally by hand and then hand the hand
unscrews them and then he put some temporary posts in I mean
the whole it's it didn't hurt. It was just weird. Weird to feel
so unscrewing something into your bone because you
Dave Jones: have your did heavy on the lift
Adam Curry: upside down on the list Hey, did they get Did you
find anything to get back to us? I don't see anything.
Dave Jones: I can't find my folders as something is
Adam Curry: exactly Oh, here it is. What's this Bitcoin? Bonus
this.
Dave Jones: Where are my folders? I don't like this.
Adam Curry: Oh, here it is. Okay. Oh, we got Oh, we got
something. Oh, we got something back. Adam you rock you rock.
Not you rock, rock, rock. Love the way your mind works in the V
four V model and prac I'm reading this. I'm reading this
cold people. That said I'm not including our Chief of Staff,
Brandon, General Manager, c k and b 24. PROGRAMMING LEAD. Alex
McShane to bring together thought leaders for beat 24 We
should plan a kickoff call to discuss the many ways we might
think, wow, I think we're in
Dave Jones: sweet. I mean, what are we in for? What are we going
to do? Exactly what Yeah, but what is the what is the
presentation going to be? Oh, no, it's
Adam Curry: gonna be here. Hold on a second. They want to call a
roundtable No, we're gonna do yeah, we'll do. We'll just do a
panel. To panel. Okay. Yeah, so they love it. So here's what I
pitched. We presented before Okay, V for V at the podcast, V
for Wii. To get some app developers developers talk about
their experiences and also benefit from the value splits.
To have all focused on that. We started testing a new feature
allows podcaster to play song from any artists that has a
wallet and the V for V info C Wave Lake and dystopia actually
switch the wallet during the song to the artists and their
value splits for the duration. We already put four songs into
the wav Lake top 40 Just doing the test and work on work on the
pot and then I say the podcasting 2.0 Group is a quite
a it's really quite a cool community that is open source
and hasn't blown up even after three
Dave Jones: years. That is a feed actually
Adam Curry: show they're all in they love it we're in.
Dave Jones: And so I think you want to do like there should be
alive. Now
Adam Curry: we'll do a demo. We'll do live demo and of course
we're going to do a live demo. Absolutely. And then when I
think we should make it completely crazy and we'll get
some maybe like get Joe Martin you know because he What does
that know the bill? Oh, this Oh, that's chunky
Dave Jones: red cat. You're
Adam Curry: the chicken so we don't know Yo the chickens. I
gotta say,
Dave Jones: yes. Now listen,
Adam Curry: so we'll do it. We'll do a quick little preset
demo something that won't fail. Okay, then we bring out a couple
of devs. Right?
Dave Jones: So devs devs willing to go to,
Adam Curry: we'll figure it out. I mean, we're gonna everyone's
getting flown in baby.
Dave Jones: Yeah, on the on the on the g4 or whatever. No,
Adam Curry: no southwest, but everyone's got flown in, of
course. Of course, we're gonna bring in some devs and maybe
bring in Joe Martin, and wait for it. So then we show how
everything works. And then everyone talks about the
experience. Then Joe Martin plays Live and we then we put up
the split, split kit QR code. Yeah, of course. Of course.
Yeah, I can do it. I'm excited. This is great. This is gonna be
dynamite.
Dave Jones: I love it. This is awesome. Yes, I'm totally down.
This is good. This is this the way you do it. This is going to
be on the this is going to be on the river financial stage.
Adam Curry: Do I want on the mainstage? Baby main major bust?
You bet mainstream?
Dave Jones: What come on right out it will come on right after
see that's Wait a second. Oh, What? What? This is great. This
is great. Because right? This is going to be 2024 before the
election. This is going to be right in the middle of politics.
Oh, you're right. You're right there. So we can come on right
after whatever presidential candidate bullcrap that they
that they do. And just draw just I mean, like, totally soak up
the keep getting us.
Adam Curry: No, that's me. That's me. And there's something
wrong here on my end. I'm not sure what. My teeth Yes, my
teeth. I'm feeding but I don't know why. which for some reason,
I'm getting feedback. Anyone picking
Dave Jones: up two meters on the ionosphere? Yeah.
Adam Curry: I wonder if I could actually broadcast or receive
through those things. I could put an antenna in my mouth.
Alright, anyway.
Dave Jones: Big now. That could be a big conference is what I'm
trying to say. It's gonna be
Adam Curry: it's gonna be a great conference in Nashville.
Which is cool.
Dave Jones: Yeah, yeah. It's June right into June. Yeah.
Adam Curry: I just didn't know it was I think it's may just
ended. It'll be April, April, May, May, June, whatever. Okay,
it's good. Great. All right. So this is going to work. I love
this. Dynamite.
Dave Jones: Bill audiences built in boosts. This is
Adam Curry: great. Yeah. And we're gonna show everybody how
it works and how, more importantly, how we as a
community, how would how the value flow by sharing the value,
which of course is the whole promise of bull crap web three.
Dave Jones: That disappeared? Well, of course. I mean, I
hadn't heard the term web three in ages.
Adam Curry: Yeah. Because bullcrap. Obviously. Yeah. I'm,
I'm excited about this. Speaking of this is gonna work i Yes.
Dave Jones: Light is like speaking of lightning and
Bitcoin stuff. There's a whole I felt like we might need to have
Roy back on because there's all of a sudden, there's a whole
bunch of new stuff hasn't enough. Yeah. Have you noticed
that
Adam Curry: now? No. Oh, well, Ark seems. And I mean, I read
about it, I guess. But someone post something about Ark. There
was a, there was a post somewhere. And then it was just
really long thread explaining it. And it seemed like, there
was lightning channels, but the whole idea was lightning
channels without inbound liquidity. But you need to have
some trustworthy arc service providers when that's when my
eyes roll back in my head and went okay. All right.
Dave Jones: I don't think it's, I don't think it's a lot
different than what
Adam Curry: the one LSP does.
Dave Jones: Yeah, yeah. But like, I think I think basically,
they're already going in that direction. Anyway, it I'm
reading through the sort of announcement right now. And it's
it's not it's not nutty. I mean, like, it's, it makes sense. But
there's like, you know, cashyou and Fetti and enigma and Ark and
all right. I mean, like, there's just so much and all of a sudden
there's this like, explosion of stuff going on on on the line
Adam Curry: boy, even alive. He has we haven't gotten a boost
from him.
Dave Jones: Let me see you in a while.
Adam Curry: I don't know. I feel a little left out.
Dave Jones: I don't see any of this from Roy. Yeah, see what I
mean. I don't see his tail tail. 54321 So I guess. I don't know.
I guess we heard his failings.
Adam Curry: Well, I'll reach out to him and tell him we need him
on. I have a confession to make.
Dave Jones: This this is basically
Adam Curry: it was me. I knew it. I am the pod news. Deep
Throat.
Dave Jones: About the YouTube about the YouTube Lee
Adam Curry: Yes. So, so, so did we read that email that I got on
the last show? From Erika from YouTube? She's Yes, yeah, we
read that right? Yeah, yeah. And we said homos economic pull it
up here.
Dave Jones: Yeah Here it is forwarded Erica's email well
here's
Adam Curry: what happened. So she sent that hey my name is
Erica work on my team at YouTube that helps podcast launch and
grow on our platform. I would love to partner with you and
your team on building out your you
Dave Jones: check with the rest of the team
Adam Curry: Yeah, exactly check with the team we recently
launched some really incredible new partner blah blah So I
replied and said until you ingest RSS feeds like any normal
podcast app, we are not interested regards and and she
came back. Hi, Adam. Hope you had a great weekend. But now
this already. This is some AI Mojo hear because after that
rude email for me was not did not warrant. I hope you had a
great weekend. Yes, like she's unfazed. Yes. How you
completely. And by the way, her name's Erica. Okay, sure. We
hear you. And we'd like to invite you to participate in a
private beta of RSS ingestion coming soon to YouTube studio.
RSS ingestion will allow the audio of your podcast show to
podcast show. Grace to be uploaded to your channel
automatically without needing a manual upload for each episode.
More information attach below if you're interested. I'm happy to
discuss further details on what the beta entails details and
what the beta entails. Let me know. Thanks, Erica. And and so
it has a PDF attached may bring this up. Yeah.
Dave Jones: It said Hi, Eric, and nobody else seems
interested. Thanks.
Adam Curry: And it's the YouTube RSS ingestion pilot. And it's
last updated January 10 2023. So it's been out for a while,
please do not share outside your organization, which I didn't do
because you're my organization. Right podcasting. And, and so I
immediately forwarded that to James and I said, I don't know
if you got it from anybody else. But I figured you might want to
see this. And then all of a sudden, it's like, it's like an
exclusive. Like exclusive breaking news, breaking news.
Dave Jones: And so you didn't sign the NDA. There was
Adam Curry: no NDA. There was no no, no quit. In fact, James
said, wow, that's really weird. They say please do not share
outside your organization but didn't make you sign anything.
Now Amanda just sent this to me. It was from January 10th. Like
this has been out for a while. And apparently they're live
examples are CNN is one thing CNN is chasing life, the city
cast Pittsburgh and the daily beams. Anyway, so I've read this
over. I've put it in the show notes because I'm sharing it
within inside our organization.
Dave Jones: Correct? Yes. Okay. Yes. Podcasting. 2.0
broadcasting
Adam Curry: this organization. I have some thoughts on it.
Dave Jones: Okay, I have thoughts too. Yes. I'd
Adam Curry: love to hear your thoughts first.
Dave Jones: It pisses me off.
Adam Curry: It doesn't piss me off. It reminds me of Lucy and
the football.
Dave Jones: Let me tell you specifically, what pisses me
off. What pisses me off is that I know that hosting companies
will jump on board and go all in with this. With with this thing,
even though, so I mean, we have been begging for things like
appropriate dai time adjustments. And these kinds of
things in podcast and chapters and transcripts and all this
kind of stuff. We've been what I saw, what I saw was it must not
contain any ads, it must be basically a clean episode
upload. We're gonna take it, we're not going to give you any
pass through we're not going to give you stats, we're just going
to suck this thing in and we're gonna we're gonna roll with it.
Good luck, Sia. And you know, that there's going to be hosting
companies are like, Yeah, okay, great. Cool. And in the
meantime, you know, all the legitimate reasons that we have
been trying to beg people for clean for clean episode data for
months and months and months. As soon as YouTube comes along,
they're like, oh, yeah, cool, we'll do it. But for podcasting,
2.0 and the greater a new podcast open podcasting
ecosystem, and that's what pisses me off about is because I
know that I know that they that a lot of companies will jump in
and play ball with this even though they said screw, you
know, screw you guys before.
Adam Curry: Oh, well. Interesting. Okay, here's my
take. First of all, I'm making sure everybody sees the full PDF
because it's five pages. So probably no more than you might
have seen. Hosting hosting companies are mentioned a couple
of times in this document. Will my ads from RSS feed feed carry
over to YouTube, your ads will be burned into the video that's
uploaded to YouTube and cannot be dynamically swapped out like
other platforms. If you don't want your ads to carry over, you
need to work with your hosting provider to either not insert
ads when YouTube requests the audio files or to get an ad free
RSS feed. So I'm not quite sure where this you have to have it
ad free comes into that's as far as I can tell, just not true.
Can I see my podcast YouTube performance on my hosting
platform? Not automatically, the analytics for your podcast are
stored on YouTube and are not automatically passed through to
your hosting provider. your hosting company cannot see how
many times a podcast episode was listened to on YouTube because
all podcast content and YouTube is hosted on YouTube. We do
allow hosting providers to access your analytics data on
your behalf by our analytics API. No hosting companies
currently support this, but we're working with them to
support this soon. Interesting. So that's the only two times
that it's mentioned. So I'm, I'm not exactly sure why. There's
this idea that you have to have a clean feed without ads. But
here's here's what to me, it was this is loosing the football all
over again. This is exactly how it went with Google Reader.
Exactly the same way. Yeah. And on July 1 2013. Spring cleaning,
Google said we'd launched Google Reader in 2005, in an effort to
make it easy for people to discover and keep tabs on their
favorite websites. While the product had a loyal following.
Over the years usage has declined. So on July 1 2013, we
will retire Google Reader. So this is exactly the same
strategy. And I would never do this. Because the number one
safeguard we have in podcasting is the decentralized nature of
hosting companies. So if as a hosting company, you decide to
promote this and to do this and give this to your users, I
believe you are signing your own death warrant. Because that
this, you are literally building your competitor right in front
of your eyes. All that Google will need to do is say Now we're
not going to do RSS feeds anymore. But you can upload it
directly to us. Here you go. And they may even output an RSS feed
for other apps doubtful but they might.
Dave Jones: Yeah, they will. They will begin having all this
podcast content on there. They'll get everybody used.
Adam Curry: They might even make a podcast app they could do.
They could do all kinds of things. Do not play with these
eight holes. I'm sorry, do not play this game. We've seen this
before. We've seen it. Now. I don't even believe and by the
way for podcasters here's why you don't want to do this. Just
go look at all the sad stories of pod of YouTubers who created
an audience. Everything was great going gangbusters
monetizing like crazy, or even not monetizing. And then YouTube
decides now not today, near no or de monetize as you or de algo
eyes as you deprioritize as you the whole game they play with
the sad YouTubers is they make you hit the algo over and over
again with new content. It's it's a it's a rat wheel.
Dave Jones: Yeah. This is this is there's there's so much wrong
with this. I mean, like I understand how so if you're if
you're a hosting company, and you have you have your you have
your customers to say hey, I really want to do this. I can
understand why that you would need to play that game. If you
had if you had enough of your of your customer bases. Like I
really want to take advantage of this. You know, and I don't I
don't I don't know
Adam Curry: why don't we take a stand for once. Take a stand.
No, no, no hosting company will do this. Just for once. This is
literally the reason why podcasting is decentralized is
because of the decentralized hosting companies. This is why
it works so well.
Dave Jones: The The only thing I can think of is that, you know
we've been people have been burned so much by Google in the
past, when Google Reader happened, everything was still
very new. And everything Google still had that. I mean, if I'm
not mistaken, on my timeline, when Google Reader came around,
do you know evil was still the motto? Yeah. That was early
days. And so at this point, though, everybody sees the, the,
the funeral, the greatest, give me the graveyard of, of ditched
Google projects. And they seen how often they have kneecapped
everything that they've gotten involved in. And I don't, I'm
not so sure that I think what I think here's what I get, here's
what I feel like is gonna happen. I think there's gonna
there are going to be hosting companies that play ball with
this in order to satisfy their users. But they're going to be
extremely cautious. I don't see. I mean, Todd is already, he's
already saying that, and I don't feel comfortable with this. I
think there's going to be a lot of hesitation to get in bed with
Google yet again, and have them yank the rug out from everybody
or pull the football, like you said,
Adam Curry: Well, there's just enough prior prior history, and
because they're not doing and what what benefit did we all get
from Spotify? Seriously? And how great was that test? Now?
They're all we're going to be your best partner. Yes, yes,
that since everything else failed, we want to be the best
partner for you. Well, they're not. They're not the best
partner. They don't support any new features. They don't support
any anything moving forward. They only support their own
closed system. So
Dave Jones: no, you know, what was? What was a beautiful thing
this week? I had a, I forgot why I went on there. But veggies
jumped on to I think it was trying to find what episode
number we were on, because
Adam Curry: because it's been so many
Dave Jones: men, I just don't even remember. But I pulled up
our show on the website. Just on podcast index.org. And in I saw
the show Comments button,
Adam Curry: or you clicked it and you saw how many comments
how many how often is used.
Dave Jones: It was beautiful. It was so beautiful. He had all
these Mastodon comments, that because because the protocols
were built the way they were, it exists. I know for I know that
the comments this, this beautifully treed hierarchical
comments that are underneath episode 133. I know that those
are going to be the exact same comments that show up in pod
friend and pod verse. And in every other app that supports
it, it was really a wonderful thing to see because it likes
it. So So compare that with the other, this other landscape that
we now live in, where you're going to have comments on
YouTube. And you're going to have comments in Spotify or q&a
and by content over here in Spotify, and you're gonna have
reviews on Apple podcast, you know, and you're gonna have
different comments over here in this other silo, you're in
enough Twitter gets in the game, you're gonna have comments there
on Twitter, like there's do we do we seriously want to live in
a world where there's 10, different siloed batches of
content, where all of our stuff lives and in a podcaster is
going to have to either manage that themselves and jump back
and forth between all these different platforms. Or you're
gonna have to, you know, hire, hire a guy to do it. This is
dumb. This is so dumb. Okay,
Adam Curry: I just got a I got a ping from James, you know, my
handler, my handler as the as partners Deep Throat
monetization. How should I handle dynamic ad insertion?
This is kind of irrelevant. There are two types of ad like
content that we differentiate between one regular ads,
typically created by the advertiser or read by an
announcer, and host read ads also named sponsor segments,
typically created and always read by the host of the podcast.
Oh, here we go. Regular ads are not allowed to be uploaded to
YouTube requests. We request feeds to be ad free. Well,
that's interesting because it kind of goes against what they
said earlier. Sponsored segments are allowed to be uploaded to
YouTube. Each upload episode needs to be marked on YouTube
studio to include sponsorship see more information on the paid
product placement policy. Will my ads Okay, so those ads will
be burned into the video that's uploaded. If it's if it's And in
St. Yeah, exactly.
Dave Jones: But you can't pump your dynamic your dai episode
into into YouTube.
Adam Curry: No you can't. So,
Dave Jones: so YouTube says hey, we need you to upload us a clean
episode that doesn't have dai in it. And there's some there's
some hosts out there that are gonna say okay,
Adam Curry: no they're not they're not going to be hosts to
do that. No,
Dave Jones: there's going to be at least a couple yeah enough
about
Adam Curry: enough about Lipson no other guys are going to do
it. No, they'd be crazy. Yeah. What's What's the benefit?
You're I mean you're literally giving your store away. Okay
YouTube you go monetize and not give me anything
Dave Jones: Yeah, but they're gonna give you stats we we get
the money we get the monetization money. Yeah,
Adam Curry: we get some pretty graphs. Oh, look, I have five
listeners in Israel. Oh
Dave Jones: no, this is a joke. Well, anyway, it's a joke.
Adam Curry: It is it's the RSS is not going away. RSS is not
going to be hijacked. The only thing that can be hijacked is
certainly some podcasters who will come it'll be very sad. And
getting all kinds of I guess there are going to be one or two
hosts who will do this. All right. Well, fine. I'm just
telling this is your business. Yeah, I'm getting I'm getting
now I'm getting deep throat to the Deep Throat. This is a deep,
deep throat episode. Oh, maybe that is what I need to say Deep
Throat inception. Sounds bad as a title. I don't know why
Dave Jones: it does. Yes. I mean, let me go one step
further. Sure. The you know, I don't know if you've been sort
of kind of keeping track of this phenomena in the in the
podcasting industry. But there's this leak. Let me just read this
from what is this? This is the Bloomberg lady. I forgot what
she calls this. Says Ashley Carr. Ashley Carmen is a this
is. This this paragraph stuck out to me. While these two
companies were snapped up other buyers are circling and looking
for possible investments. Chris Peterson, a former iHeartMedia
and liontree executive just announced the launch of download
without the without the first row. So it's DW en la de Grenier
download download dunlea during those Dutch is there
Adam Curry: during loon Yeah, that's it. So that is a
download.com.
Dave Jones: Don't lose no doubt on about the.com but didn't lose
media.
Adam Curry: Doing lewd means doing a new.com Maybe for sale?
Might be doing lewd media. Wow, this is really a great name
everybody.
Dave Jones: It went from Dutch to more of like Swedish Chef
manner.
Adam Curry: Okay, let's do nude.
Dave Jones: just announced the launch of duneland media, which
intends to take majority stakes in podcast companies. Meanwhile,
Pata X group, a private equity backed firm has made multiple
acquisitions the world around the world since setting out to
roll up independent podcast production shops. So
Adam Curry: I know exactly what this is. I know exactly what
this is. This is very, very simple. And I think these guys
are going to lose.
Dave Jones: These companies are going these are going to be the
record labels.
Adam Curry: Yes, exactly. Their hits hit seekers. What they do
is they saw the Joe Rogan money they saw the call me daddy
money. They saw you know, whatever, whatever, you know,
pod save America. Sports ring, the bell, all these different
things. And like, look, we can spend you know why how I know
this, because I tried to do it myself. I had this idea for
several years ago. And I looked at it and I and I explained that
to investors in Europe. And they were like, maybe I'm not sure
I'm like, Okay, I'm not that interested in it. But for sure.
All you need to do is you take depending on how many podcasts
you quote, unquote, buy, which you don't, they only have
investments in them. So they give people a little bit of
money. And honestly, I had this idea and I had a group of people
and then I pulled out of it. And then you just wait for one hit.
All you need is one 50 $60 million hit and your money's
back and you had a great run.
Dave Jones: You're you they're not these groups are not going
to they're not going to afford the Rogan's they're gonna afford
the top 3% of podcasting. They're going to try to wrap up.
They're going to try to wrap up the next level down. Yeah,
that's exactly what
Adam Curry: they want. Yeah,
Dave Jones: it's a it's a Blinka is an annuity for them.
Basically, she's just Propecia is they're trying to create a
vet perpetual money machine based on you know, content that
they don't have to spend a whole lot of money to. To produce.
Yeah,
Adam Curry: so they're doing load media.com Let's see 55
posts road. Okay, Connecticut. This is always fun to do. This
is a fun little thing I used to do. Let's see 35 posts road West
Westport, Connecticut. Office for lease There you go. It's a
post office business. Now peal box yeah PO box let's see what
else is there team hub flyer, serendipity labs. Okay, we this
is nothing this is yeah, this is just a post office.
Dave Jones: Todd Todd Cochran said I'm not a fan of what
YouTube is hijacking and we will not be providing instructions or
providing it as a destination in our dashboard. Well there you
go.
Adam Curry: But I think even even more so this this goes
along the line of you need to own your own.com Todd the minute
all they all they're using RSS for in this case is just as as a
free shovel. A free shovel shovel shovel your crap into
their in their manure pit. That's all that it is. It really
is. It's goodness.
Dave Jones: I don't in there's also like, this is maybe off off
to the side. But YouTube is trying to is trying to get one
fun used to YouTube distasteful. In a lot of ways, I mean, like
when I go on there now, the first thing I see on the
homepage is these YouTube shorts that are trying to be Tik Tok.
And it's all a bunch of scantily clad women trying to get in. I
mean, it's a bunch of bunch of click bait. And it's just it's,
it's not, I don't know it as a it's an it's a gross
environment. In a lot. I mean, there's good contents that says
on YouTube, obviously, lots of there's lots of great things
that only exist on YouTube. I'm not gonna deny that. But I mean,
I just don't see I don't see what there's a beauty to
podcasting. There's a beauty to open source podcasting.
Adam Curry: Just podcasting, please. But I understand what
you're saying. Yeah, open source open.
Dave Jones: Just podcast. There's a beauty to podcasting.
And, and I don't I don't like associating it with with that
garbage. I mean, it's if TOS with tick tock wanted to do the
same thing. If tick tock said, Oh, well, what if they did the
exact same thing? And said, Okay, we're gonna start
ingesting RSS feeds, but we're not gonna we're not gonna give
you any pass throughs or I'm gonna do anything. We're just
going to ingest your stuff and do our own systems, and we're
gonna start pushing it back out to our audience. Well, okay,
great. But I mean, do you actually want do you want your
content? Do we want this this unique, distinct content that is
podcasts being interleaved into a tick tock thread, next to
people doing the NyQuil chicken challenge? I don't grow gross.
Okay, so
Adam Curry: first of all, Words matter. This is of the podcast
industrial complex is own doing by questioning what a podcast
is. This is the result. So by giving into well, yeah, podcast
on YouTube is also a podcast it just wherever you'd like the
wherever you get the show. Okay, I'm gonna say it. I love the
man. I'm so happy that he allows me on his show. The Joe Rogan
show is not a podcast. Alright, it's not a podcast. The Joe
Rogan show is not a podcast. The media landscape is changing. And
so what I hear Okay, so here's another thing. Jason Calacanis.
Twitter's gonna be the best, the best platform for podcasts. I'm
making fun of him because I can and and he can make fun of me.
But, yeah, so and then what is the first thing that's the Oh,
yeah, you should use Twitter spaces. Okay, great. But let me
tell you how the Tucker Carlson deal is going down as a podcast
on Twitter. He is going to pay Twitter not the other way
around. Make no mistake. This this is this is not going to be
the $20 million a year from Elon to Tucker Carlson know, those of
you who have figured out how to podcast and make a living out of
it, whether you're whether you're selling your own ads,
whether you have ads, whether it's value for value, whether
it's a part of your business, whether you sell books, and you
have your community. We don't he'd Rancors, which I'm now just
going to call bankers, because Because James made the joke, but
didn't complete it. So I'll just hit. So we don't need rankers of
who's on top, it does not matter. It's the business of
being number one in the ratings does not matter. This group,
this podcast, this project survives on a very small number
of participants, and an even smaller number of people who are
supporting it with monetary value. Now, the full value for
value is enormous time, talent or treasure, of course. But this
is the future of media, get it out of your head that you need
to be number one or on the front kind of the front of iTunes or
YouTube to hot algo. Get it out of your head, that is not a
longevity plan anymore. And, and you will you everyone has to pay
for their distribution. Now. If you're not paying for
distribution, you're being screwed. Seriously,
Dave Jones: explain this. Explain what you mean by paying
for distribution, because I understand I understand it, but
I don't know how to explain it.
Adam Curry: The ad base model does not work with podcast. It
just doesn't stop saying we're young medium. We're not. We're
20 or 20 years old. It's it's there is no met, you can't fake
the numbers like Nielsen's there's no agreed to system,
which is now falling apart. You're seeing that the only
reason why Fox News is still in business is because of the
carriage fees. The advertising that Tucker Carlson brought in
doesn't matter. It doesn't matter. 70 million a year and
hunt maybe 100 million a year doesn't matter. It's the $1.8
billion they get from the cable companies, Fox News pays their
cost for their content. But the cable companies are paying
exorbitant amounts of money which you the customer are
paying for. To for the privilege to have Fox News on $7 of your
cable bill goes to you know what that goes to Disney ESPN. That's
just ESPN, it is Disney, of course. But ESPN. So then
everyone had this great idea all let's just let's just split it
all up. Let's just do streaming. I don't know if you notice, but
that's not a big success. It's losing money lose billions of
dollars for everybody hand over foot, they've cannibalize their
movie business, the whole thing is falling apart. And here's
little old podcasting. Which of the 4 million podcasts in the
index, a very small amount is working on a profitable monetary
basis. A lot of it is very a lot of these podcasts are very
profitable to aid for in other ways, reaching constituents,
reaching readers reaching different types of communities.
But to think that there's a broadcast model and for
everybody is just as stupid as everybody who thought they could
be Andrew Sullivan and make a million dollars a year from
their blog substack it's not a winning business, they had to go
crowdfund their next round of funding. The it's a lie, it's
all a lie, and YouTube is in huge trouble. Huge trouble.
Advertisers are now running to tic toc for a whole bunch of
reasons we've we've been over. None of this is a winning
strategy. If you if you want to have a successful podcast, or
whatever you're using it for, then own your audience, own your
distribution, pay for a hosting pay for your hosting company.
And if you're not the hosting company owns you. Anchor how
many sad stories do we hear of people? Oh, well, no anchor is
not working for me. I can't get a 301 redirect, they deleted
everything blah, blah, blah. If you don't own it, you're
screwed. And hold your own.com Yes, in de Sankar. Yes, indeed.
Do not give this stuff away. So I'm not worried about
podcasting. I'm not worried about the future of RSS at all.
I'm worried for all the sad sob so we're gonna get screwed.
We've seen this movie. We've seen it. The podcasting was born
out of frustration for the traditional broadcast model now
that is falling apart. Now they're getting desperate do not
run into their arms.
Dave Jones: Everybody got mad at a cast for taking email
addresses out of feeds and trying to trying to grab their
like, solicit their customers. And the what do you think
YouTube's gonna do? I mean, this is even worse. This is way
worse. Now you're giving them now you're actually giving them
all of your this would be as if this would be as if a cast
became instead of just soliciting customers they became
a proxy be between you and your customer. And but don't worry
about it we're not we're not going to charge anything. Oh
don't don't worry about this is all free. It's great. I mean,
like they everybody gets so mad at a cast, but then they're
going to jump on board with YouTube. And it's going to end
the end the the end result is going to be way worse
Adam Curry: for the love of money is the root of all evil.
This is exactly the it's only about money because people
believe they can be the next Joe Rogan. You can't it's over. It's
done with it's not gonna happen. The CEO himself says it. Thank
you. I love it when someone accentuates my point with a
boost it it's over, it's just over, just admitted it's not
gonna happen. You know, the luck. The luck of that. We built
a business here. We're not paying ourselves anything but we
built a real business. We can see it. You can build a real
business with podcasting. Now why do I like podcasting 2.0
because people see immediate value return. And that's
something you can build on it. We've been doing this for three
years and we do other things with the money. Could we give
ourselves a little bit of cash, I guess we could, but we prefer
not to we prefer to put it into liquidity for nodes and put it
into progress and buying a new database or getting a new an
upgraded database server. Anything we can do to make this
work because this is fun. This is not a job. This is work that
we love doing. It's a community we're friends. They have all of
this is available to you. And when you start a podcast today
and you use it with podcasting 2.0 And you see Satoshis and
booster grams come in, it's invigorating. It's not like it
used to be and there's still people who start on on on a
cast. And they Oh, okay, I'm podcasting and they get some
stats and there's five five downloads and they don't know
what if it's real, or they have no feedback. They have no hand
holding no training, no hosting company that has training
materials and podcasts that tell you about the latest things and
how you can how you can have more success with your podcast
but that feedback loop is missing. This is what's so cool
about it and it's the same thing with music this is why I'm so
jacked about the time based value splits What am I hearing
from now that we have four of the top what is the song that is
in the top five on wavelength I don't like this I have nothing
against the wavelength
Dave Jones: way you believe is this way yeah
Adam Curry: way you believe it says
Dave Jones: demo demo version
Adam Curry: and I don't know I just it just never really struck
for me but we have Number one of course money printed Gerber
money printing money printing money printer Gerber we got Matt
Bigelow with fudge even though we played only a little bit of
his song we got high gravity Joe Martin and rusty gate girl like
me, you know, so, I mean, that's phenomenal. And what are they
all say? You know, I never hit the payout limit from from
Spotify. All I got was stupid stats. Stupid stats. Okay, so
now where they get maybe 100 bucks, right 300 300,000 SATs
100 100 bucks plus
Dave Jones: well money money printer gibberish show and
524,000 sets.
Adam Curry: So what is that now? That's 200 books.
Dave Jones: Let's see. I don't see
Adam Curry: any say 580 180,000 $180 Something like
that.
Dave Jones: I guarantee you extends cents per 1000 says I
can't
Adam Curry: calculate I think in SATs I don't I don't care about
dollars. Yeah, but it's like that. That is real love now
doesn't mean he's gonna get rich. No, those days are over.
Will you maybe be able to make a career out of it? Yeah, maybe.
Maybe. This is what's so cool about it. It gives you incentive
shows value. You play back to it you thank people it's not a one
way street. This has always been the dream of radio always. So we
play a song Dave
Dave Jones: would love to play us I'd love to play a song. I
would love for you to play us I
Adam Curry: would love to play a song. So this is using the value
time splits now from what I understand it's still curio
caster that has the pod friend rod, who has it. I heard Martin
by the way and outstanding pod news weekly review episode with
it was a two and a half hour show.
Dave Jones: That was a lead I mean, there's like horning in on
our turf.
Adam Curry: It was great that Martin had Oscar from fountain
who else was on was that it was our third
Dave Jones: Captivate Marcus was right. Yep, yeah. And that was a
good interview too. I mean, they they are really jumping on board
with 2.0
Adam Curry: For sure. Although whenever I hear someone doing
tips, I always get a little whatever for So I'm already
getting inundated now with requests to play songs. Of
course you do. Yes. And guess what I'm doing. I'm sending
everybody to wave Lake. Should I be sending him to dystopias?
Well, I'm not sure who who are we trying to help here?
Dave Jones: Well, this dystopia doesn't have the system to go in
and boost it on on this. I mean, like, you can't, it's a
different thing to cinema, buddy to WaveLight versus dystopia.
Because dystopia is a host in Wave Lake is is more of like a
platform for for value for value based music. So, I mean, I think
if you're sending them to dystopia they can be sent to
they need to go to like, our site or something.
Adam Curry: Well, I say, music side project studio. Yeah. Which
is a little, a little more that's for self hosting, really,
but it's, you know, there's stuff there. Dave explains how
to do it. I don't understand wave lake. I love those guys. We
had him on the show. They don't have a, there's no music player.
They're still not self. They're automatically submitting to the
index. I don't understand why. So is that what we're waiting
for? You know, just wait for something to come along, waiting
for a magic player to pop up? No, though we have Magic
players.
Dave Jones: Well, they're not they're not automatic
submission. No, they are. But they're leaving that in the
hands of their musicians and their musicians are putting Yes,
and their music into the index when they when they want to.
Adam Curry: But I don't understand why there's no music
player. And they did their own kind of music player, which was,
I don't know
Dave Jones: why they don't write their own app, or have somebody
work our guest app.
Adam Curry: So to me, it doesn't matter because I think this is
the winning formula. I want podcasts to start playing music
in their podcasts and switching the value block to the to the
artist. Right now sovereign feeds is the only way to do that
that I'm aware of. I would love to have more podcast apps able
to receive it and switch the switch the wallet so yes, curio
caster pod friend. I don't know if if there any plans for
fountain and for pod verse etc. But I really only need one more
besides curio cash. And I want to wait until pod friend has its
apps out in the app store. And then I'm going to start doing a
music show. And you'll see how fast this goes. You'll see you
would have
Dave Jones: to think that fountain would be the next shoe
to drop on them because that's the I mean that's Oscars Mo is V
for V I mean that's a V for V focused app so you would have to
think that that's going to be in his roadmap soon now probably.
Adam Curry: Yeah. So if you're if you want now if you want to
see part of the cool live tests that we've been doing, then you
want to switch to curio caster right now so you can see the
artwork change and everything which Bill just blows me away.
You can actually be listening, listening live and then the
minute we play the song The artwork changes the wallet
changes the artwork changes it's just mind boggling. This guy
reached out to me he's a friend of Joe Martin he said hey man,
play my music.
Dave Jones: And you said done Cory Keller
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Adam Curry: time Cory Keller wallets switching away on
podcasting 2.0 It's so hard to feel alive. Now Did anyone try
that in pod friend? Do we have any ideas that worked?
Dave Jones: Who I don't know Martin's in the chat but I would
hope Martin is live testing this
Adam Curry: yeah that's why i That's why I
Dave Jones: chose on curio caster out there those are just
switched back.
Adam Curry: I know I just I literally just did it. Oh,
that's so badass.
Dave Jones: Oh Chad F said he did it in pod friend.
Adam Curry: Okay, all right cool.
Dave Jones: Did it did it work Chad did did it do its thing? I
mean I'm Chad says it did judge says it don't expect no less
beautiful,
Adam Curry: beautiful. So
Dave Jones: So read. It really isn't too. That was a great
song.
Adam Curry: I you know, it's not the typical uptempo in your face
Friday thing FUBAR Friday thing, but I liked it a lot. And you
know, what, three minutes, you know, you give me a three minute
song, I'll jam that in anywhere. You know, just think about how,
think about how cool that demo is going to be at Bitcoin 2024.
We show the artwork changing and everything. And then people will
be doing it in the audience. There'll be live boosting in the
audience. We got to have we got the booths bought up at the
booth spot and the IRC chat UPS everyone can see it. Oh, yeah,
man. It's gonna be cool. No one go get that from you to
Dave Jones: the so. So I'm confused about something. Okay.
He this was something that. Let me see if I can scroll back and
find it there. Steven V was telling Martin, about how to
about how to track something with the value splits. He says,
If you want to start messing around with live value splits,
you'll just need to set up a WebSocket listening to the
server found in the live value link? Yes. Of the podcast live
item. listening for the remote value event? Yeah. Can you? Do
you know what this is? Because this is all new to me. I don't
know what kind of value lengthy? Yeah,
Adam Curry: so in sovereign feeds, there's a little extra
thing under Live Info. And it's the I don't want to switch away
because I'm all synced. I don't know if it'll ruin my
synchronization stuff, because he has his whole interface now
for live production. So you kind of keep your your timing for the
value block split, which you can later copy into your regular
episode. And it creates this, like a streaming link. And that
streaming link is what you listen to with the app for the
change in the value in the value block and the album art. Does
that make sense?
Dave Jones: Okay, so you okay, because that goes
Adam Curry: through a WebSocket. Yeah, that goes through the
WebSocket. And then then the app catches that and that's the
that's basically like, the, like the shoutcast stream info.
Dave Jones: Okay, so this can Okay. This needs to be a tag
Adam Curry: that needs to be documented. Yes. Yeah.
Dave Jones: Yes. This is This is Steven, this is a Steven B
special where he throws in a new brand new,
Adam Curry: of course. That's right. Some scissors through
some new blades.
Dave Jones: Yep, this is where he yeah He throws he throws a
new set of blades in here and nobody knows what the heck's
going on. Okay, this is this is grass see exactly where he's
going with this? What what needs to happen here, though, is it
would need to take this, just like so he did the same thing
with chat with the chat attribute where he just threw in
a chat URL.
Adam Curry: Yeah, exactly. And that became standard. In a min.
Dave Jones: Now we've got podcast chat, which we'll be
formalizing soon, which I want to talk about here in just a
second in the context of pure tube. But he did that with chat
that works. That's a shim until we can get the proper thing in
there. So what we'll do is we'll do the same thing, we'll just do
a live out live value link or will, you know, well, he hasn't
a name,
Adam Curry: he has been named for it. Alright, I'm gonna I'm
just going to run with scissors here and switch away and see
what happens. Okay. What do you do? What do you switch into? I'm
switching from my production screen to my live screen. He
calls it the live value link.
Dave Jones: Yes, I'm looking at the feed. I'm looking at the
XML, right, and I switch
Adam Curry: back, it still works. Okay, great. And so
Dave Jones: we will just make a tag that will allow for this to
happen in its own tag that way that we don't have to have more
attributes on the live item. And not that that's a problem. But
when you have something like this, we're probably going to
need it needs to be more expandable. The problem with
attributes is they're just a one and done. You get it's a key
value, you get it you get one value, right? And if you try to
stuff something else in there, you have to use delimiters. So
with this, we don't want to do that. So let's just make this
into a tag and then we can have the full extendibility of it.
And then he's looks like he's got a
Adam Curry: list. Yeah, okay, so I'm reason I'm not getting curio
caster boosts today. I don't know why.
Dave Jones: I really, I can try the hard hat
Adam Curry: boosted 10101 via curio caster, I don't see that
coming in. Also didn't see the 1111. I didn't see that coming
in. I wonder if this
Dave Jones: trouble with Albie, if he had any trouble without me
lately?
Adam Curry: And I don't know. I really wouldn't know if I if I'm
having but this is this is kind of weird. I would have expected
I would have expected to see that. Although, maybe I don't
know. I don't know. It's amazing. any of this stuff works
honestly. I'm always surprised. Let me see if I go to Alby. Let
me take a look at booster grams. What I have in there? No, I
still get no no, no, no, don't see it live maybe something in
the live. It's inevitable that inevitable that Alby is going to
have some issues? I mean, there's such a centralized
resource at this point. I don't know. I don't know. Maybe it's,
I do know that. When I boost on pod friend, I mean, pod verse.
Sometimes it takes a real long time for it to go.
Dave Jones: Okay, like here, I got API error for net network
error for L and I get lb.com. So that maybe they're just having
some kind of issue there. I hate to say I hate being that guy.
That's like I have been having some problems with so it's
nearing, almost sounds like I'm merging them. But I'm not. I'm
just we're all
Adam Curry: having problems. And believe me, we're generally all
just having problems with everything. Of course, that's
how it goes. But it's if we can identify and help each other.
That makes sense. I monitor on my own node and on a get Alby
node with each with a 1% split. So that doesn't mean anything
you know, it could be it could be all kinds of stuff going
wrong.
Dave Jones: Well, okay, so I'm also I'm in the IRC chat, and
I'm also in the MK Ultra chat doesn't brought that up to test
as well. It's just only me and James are the only two in there.
So it's really boring over here. But the this is, this is great
having that live item link. Yeah, there
Adam Curry: are boobers, just Buber just came through from
that's pod verse.
Dave Jones: Okay, so still, there's still no cure to cancer.
The PA versus LBT, though, so that would work. I don't know.
We'll figure it out. The bit that let the live Adam link with
with live events happening during the stream. That's really
cool. Because yeah, that means we can hook into MK Ultra and
just drop those events right into the chat without having to
write a
Adam Curry: bot or wait. So say that again. So I understand
that.
Dave Jones: Well, I mean, then you so it's play that you know
that did the MK Ultra chat is playing the stream live in the
page?
Adam Curry: Oh, yes. Yes, yes. Yes. Okay. Yeah.
Dave Jones: Now we can just hook in. Oh, yeah.
Adam Curry: Yes.
Dave Jones: In the chat. Something has changed, give some
links, whatever and then flip back. I mean we can we can
respond to the live events as
Adam Curry: they come we should be able to connect your wallet
to anything in the chat. Yeah. Yeah, I like it. Mm hmm.
Dave Jones: This is good. I like I like what Stephen did I mean?
Yeah, this is good.
Adam Curry: Yeah, I think there's definitely something
going on somewhere because I do not have any. Okay, I got a
curio caster from tone wrecker an hour ago. But, and it's
possible that, you know, anything's possible. I don't
know. We'll all figure it out. This is what I love about what
we do here. We run with scissors, we get cut up, we get
scraped, we fall down. We dust each other off and we keep
going. That's exactly how it should be. I did want to mention
that being the triage first line of defense for info at podcast
index.org I want glyph and CSB to know what I done. I don't
know if you caught this. Okay. We got I got an email from Kate
nibs, senior writer from Wired. And then Kate nibs is like, hey,
how many podcasts out there but artificial intelligence YT que
tal de, you know, typical aihole journalist from Wired, you know,
I say, you know, hey, we're donation based thing here. But,
you know, we'll take a look. I did a search for artificial
intelligence. And you know what, you could have done a whole and
and just look at all of these answers. But I said, AI dot
cooking seems to be a fan favorite.
Dave Jones: I didn't
Adam Curry: indicate came back on. What does that mean?
Dave Jones: I didn't see that. I didn't see that response.
Adam Curry: Yeah, I'm like, Yeah, you know, what is going on
with my dog?
Dave Jones: I was much more diplomatic. I said. Looks like
there's about 1627
Adam Curry: Yeah. Oh, you I didn't even I didn't see you
answer that.
Dave Jones: What I did was I made note of carbon. I just got
to check the dog
Adam Curry: for a second day for some, something's wrong. Hold
on.
Dave Jones: Okay. All right. Yeah, the did a search only all
I knew how to do was like, artificial. I just searched for
the words artificial intelligence. I mean, because if
you're searching for a I mean, that's even even if you do like
regular expression and did like, let's just say comeback.
Backslash Bai, backslash B or something like that isolate that
you're still just gonna come back with so much garbage. So I
figured only so I looked at titles and descriptions for
artificial intelligence. And it found like six delivers 1600
Well, all I
Adam Curry: was hoping is that they'd get some special
attention for give some special attention to AI dot cooking. I
just thought that was funny to say, oh, no, this is what
everyone's talking about. Everyone's talking about. Snoop
Dogg literally wanted to come in and be on the show. Oh, sweet.
Yeah, Phoebe crazy done. One other thing I want to mention,
then, you know, we got lots of other things to talk about.
Regarding this, you know, this value time split, ie, playing
music on podcast and switching the wallet. The idea is here is
that we are circumventing these very old fashion institutions
such as ASCAP BMI, and just routing money directly for the
performance for someone received receiving this beautiful music
into their ears, with streaming SATs directly from the people
who are benefiting from the music. And what's so cool about
this is there's such a good example in the Netherlands where
ASCAP BMI, there's called Buma, stamina, Bo, Ma, slash S, T, M
Ra. And for whatever reason, they take all this money in, you
know, from performances, so clubs, restaurants, you know,
radio stations, online radio stations, and then they have
some magical way of shelling that back out to everybody in
the appropriate amounts. But what they also do is they, they
invest that money in the meantime, and they came out on
the 22nd of may and said, Well, you know, our investments didn't
do so. Well. We'd lost 27 million euros.
Dave Jones: Stop. Wait, yeah, I need to I need exactly. I need
to understand what you just said. So what Okay, let me recap
if you could permit me Yes, please. Let me recreate what I
think you just said in a word picture. So you're saying that
all of the royalty pay all of the money that they got in there
was then going there was destined to go to Artists, it
was held in whatever stock magical stocks magical escrow in
the US. And so then they took that money and before they paid
out, or before they were required by law to pay out
whatever this interim period was between the time they got the
money and the time that they gave the money out to the
artists who belong to the they use this, this arbitrage time in
order to invest to invest this money and get a profit, correct?
Interval. Correct. But oh, they lost money. So let me let me let
me go ahead and guess what the outcome was. They still paid all
the money to the to the artists that they were supposed to get,
and they themselves took a hit.
Adam Curry: I don't think that's what happened day.
Dave Jones: Stein. This is not what happened. Yeah. Well,
Adam Curry: there's obviously a lot of members of said
organizations who are saying, Excuse me, why are we investing
anything? Why don't you just give us our money? Right? Yes,
so lawsuits abound. This is, but that's, I'm pretty sure I don't
let's find out. We can consult the book of knowledge. ASCAP,
BMI, invest when we see investments, I wonder if they if
they do the same thing?
I don't see anything off the bat. But I'll I'll bet you 100
Satoshis they do the same thing.
Dave Jones: Oh, if we're gonna have money seeking, if you're
gonna have money sitting in an account for six months or more,
of course, some bean counter somewhere is gonna say, Hey, I
got an idea. This is this will be great.
Adam Curry: Does this article be am I changing to for printing
this? These are supposed to be nonprofit? Changing? Oh, yeah.
for profit business model. This is from 2022. We realized that
we needed to make certain changes to the organization or
to be even more competitive in the future. Okay, well, guess
what, you're gonna get competitive out by us. This is
so the way to go. I mean, it's, it's interesting. My friends
have a band called Mercy Me. And they had a really big hit about
20 years ago, but they've consistently had platinum
albums. And so I'm telling you about telling him about this is
not in a group text message. I'm telling him about this, about
the system we built. He said, Wow, this is really cool. Did
you work with management and raw and performing rights
organizations? I said, bro, no. See? Yeah, it goes directly from
the listener. to the, to the band to the artists to the
writer, the composer. They're blown away. They're having band
meetings right now. Like how do we get in on this? Or at least
do one song they might do one song that they just put out, put
out value for value.
Dave Jones: Have they ever won a Dove Award?
Adam Curry: A dove? What's a Dove Award?
Dave Jones: That's the Christian music version of the country.
Oh, I'm
Adam Curry: sure that well right now they're they're now they're
at the K love that the K love event in Nashville which is
huge. What is Kayla was a radio station. And they have they have
a once a year. That's like they have five concerts going at the
same time and vicious you know, it's mayhem.
Dave Jones: It was Did your pitch to them say go give me a
song this royalty free or this rights free and I will and we
will play it on podcast and 2.0 and you'll get 300,000 sets.
Adam Curry: That's exactly my pitch. That's exactly what you
could get $100 I see I sent him a link I said you see this money
printer go burn you could be there
Dave Jones: What the hell is this?
Adam Curry: Now they're into it, man. They're into stuff like
this. They're totally into it. They love it. Yeah, we'll see.
But you know I've got all kinds of people excited about this. We
just need we just need a couple more apps. That's all Sam wave
Lake. Will not be Sam from wave Lake.
Dave Jones: What do you mean Sam? Wave lake.
Adam Curry: I got it. We just got a boost from Sam waitlist.
Yeah,
Dave Jones: it has to be I mean, with a name like that. It's got
to be sent from wavelength 50,000.
Adam Curry: saps from Sam wave Lake says gotta love the music
bass. Thank you, Sam. Fantastic. All right. Now we got to talk
about lots of other things. Oh, man, here's something I love and
this is this was it was really nice to have that long. Pod
news. We can review episode. So two things one, I love I'm not
sure how they do it. But the fountain transcripts at some
kind of sorcery way You were you request a transcript and it
shows up in 30 seconds. I need to know what's doing this. I do
not understand who's doing it. How does that happen in 30
seconds when I, when I literally pay a company, I think $30 a
month to wait hours for a transcript?
Dave Jones: What I don't know about this? Okay, so news to me.
Adam Curry: So, fountain, and Martin is considering doing the
same thing. So I just want to know what the back end is. I
think it's a good idea. Now in Fountain if you if you want a
transcript, and if the podcast you're listening to has a
transcript, you get the transcript. If it doesn't have a
transcript, you can pay. I think it was 3000 SATs to get a
transcript very fair deal, or is this very fair? Yes. Or if
you're a premium operator, which I am, you get it built into your
premium into your premium thing. And yeah, so but I love seeing
Tina, because she got the upgrade. And you know that she
would blow first you on? What happened? Where's all my stuff?
You know, this always happens, right was an upgrade, you
upgrade the app? And then where's Moses? I guess it takes
a second for the library to come in. Boom, she's like, Oh,
everything's here. And I said, I said, you know, you should use
this transcript on your Megyn Kelly podcast, which she she
likes Megyn. Kelly. She says, why? I said, Well, you're always
telling me about the stuff that was on Megyn. Kelly, and then
you're having trouble locating it. Whereas if you get a
transcript, you can search for a word, and then it goes right to
that part in the in the podcast. And well, I incorrectly said and
then you can, you can clip it and send the clip to your
friends from it. That doesn't quite work the way as expected
in in Fountain. Yep. But so she was not a premium user. And she
got the 3000 Sapt request. And and she said well, 3000 SATs.
Alright, well, this is literally, this is literally not
even a buck. Come on. Let's stop with me now just do this. But
then, but actually, she upgraded to a premium right on the spot,
which was very handy through through Apple, because she has
an iPhone, you just put your thumb on the sensor, boom, Apple
pay whatever it worked. She loves it now. Now, it would be
even better if you could indeed easily clip directly from that
spot. Maybe we weren't doing it right. It wasn't apparent. But
the idea of paying for a transcript that you can then
use, I thought was genius. And
Dave Jones: just did it while you were talking. And it. It
took like 15 seconds to give an entire transcript of this
episode with Scott Horton show, which is like an hour long.
Adam Curry: How does that work? What Mojo is this?
Dave Jones: I don't know.
Adam Curry: But I liked the concept. Now the next thing is
how do we turn that in? Oh, wow. Oh, Amber Alert. Amber, Alert,
alert. Amber Alert. How do we turn that into an even bigger
benefit for everybody? I'm not sure. I mean, maybe I don't
know. I'd love to buy them. I'll pay $1 A transcript every single
day. Especially if it's done in 15 to 30 seconds. That was
totally insane.
Dave Jones: I don't understand how this can be so fast.
Adam Curry: It mean, the only thing I can think is they're
already doing it in the background or something. I mean,
it's I don't get it.
Dave Jones: Do you use? Do you think that they're alive
allowed? Do you think that they're doing it once? And then
they've got it cash? Possibly possibly, then it still would
take more it still didn't, then it would have taken less than 15
seconds.
Adam Curry: Anyway, I love the idea of paying for. I love the
idea of paying for features like that. And as a podcaster. If
someone is kind enough to pay for that. Can I then give it to
everybody else and split the difference?
Dave Jones: Yes, that's what Nathan gee, that's what Nathan
gathright was saying in the text is that in the chat was like,
Could this be posted back? Because what Okay, so I mean,
there's a but I've got a bunch of stuff on the to do list.
Adam Curry: I mean, I understand if you want. If you want
multiple people to buy the Megyn Kelly transcript, I understand
the business model. I'm not going to fight you on it. But it
would be kind of cool. If some it let's say 10 People buy it,
then then you make it available handed back somehow. Just that
would be cool. That would be cool. Well, one
Dave Jones: of the things that he was wanting for steno is this
way to post the post back and I don't want to use the word
Adam Curry: Nathan. Nathan G is saying when one person pays for
it, everyone else and fountain gets it.
Dave Jones: Really Is that for real is that?
Adam Curry: I don't know. Well, okay, hold on. What did you just
buy the transcript of?
Dave Jones: I just did well, I'm a premium fountain. So I already
got it so
Adam Curry: bright, but I'm premium too. So it should be
there. Okay, so
Dave Jones: I did the Scott Horton show, from 518 23. Ted
Snyder on the dangerous trajectory of the war in
Ukraine. From May 22.
Adam Curry: podcast, I'm gonna get Scott Horton show. And I
hate
Dave Jones: from at att,
Adam Curry: I gotta make a change right here. And
transcript already available.
Dave Jones: Damn. Wow. So that's it. So if one for whatever,
whatever it gets in,
Adam Curry: I mean, I would even I would, man. Okay, well, how
come I wasn't in this meeting? I want to be in this meeting with
this cool stuff happens.
Dave Jones: You know why you weren't in the meeting? Because
you're not an advisor.
Adam Curry: I'm not a paid advisor. I'm not any kind of
advisor.
Dave Jones: So you so here's what here's what Nathan wanted
for steno he wanted. He said, Okay, well, if there's a
transcript, if, if there's a podcaster, who has transcripts
for their show, then, but their host doesn't support the
transcript tag. Could they put the trend a link to the
transcripts somewhere else like in the show notes? And then once
an app registers it, can they link back? Can they say, an app
that's, let's just say got good standing, like steno or pod
friend or something like that? Well, here's, here's okay. Then
give that back to the index and the index, you know, grab it and
say, Okay, here's here's a transcript for this for this
show.
Adam Curry: Well, I what I wouldn't want is I wouldn't
want, you know, one app to be supporting everybody else. And
everybody else just kind of getting a free ride. I mean,
there's all kinds of you know what, it's not even up for us to
decide. I need to hear from, from Martin and from Oscar and
these guys need to explain what they're doing and what their
ideas what their thoughts are. And had, does this have anything
to do with those guys that we talked to?
Dave Jones: The music match?
Adam Curry: Yeah, musics match? Because I didn't hear any of
this stuff? I don't think so. No, because they had a whole
different idea. They wanted to come from them. I mean, maybe
this is coming. I don't know where it's coming from. It's
magic.
Dave Jones: Well, I need to, I mean, I'm fine with building
this. I mean, if there's a if there is a so the thing here
would be the podcaster themselves, makes this thing
available. Okay, so let me walk you through this. The podcaster
that, let's say this podcaster is on Anchor, but they do want
to provide transcripts, anchor doesn't support transcripts. So
they put some sort of structured link into their show notes with
an A with a transcript tag that links out to otter or whatever
that is, so that you are that that podcaster, it's in their
feed, so we know that it's them that did it. And so we can get
that the app, I'm just going to use dyno as an example. This
dyno app can get it that URL, and then post it post it back.
Or if we had it even really, even if we had it structured in
a certain way the the index could extract it out of shadows
for I
Adam Curry: don't know, man, I mean, there's that shimmy all
over the place.
Dave Jones: But it's not so it's not, it's not super shimmy.
Adam Curry: Right? Well, then what then why don't we actually,
uh, why don't we accept all tags in the show notes, we might as
well then, which kind
Dave Jones: of it is that this is not for this is for this
would be for podcasters that want to play ball. But for some
reason, I just I'd rather than
Adam Curry: go I'd rather they go to a host that supports it to
be honest. They put the work in, they've put the energy in, they
put the time and they put the money in. If you're on by the
way, if you're an anchor, from what I understand, you're not
even gonna get automatically accepted to the index anymore,
which I think is not a bad thing, which is not a bad thing.
Dave Jones: That's a topic we need to discuss. Let's discuss
shall we? So that the problem here is that one out of 10
anchor podcast is is anything close to being what we would
consider a podcast. So if we define I don't want to this is
not when I say what is a podcast, I'm not talking about
RSS. I'm saying if you think about if you think about what is
a what is a A legitimate podcast, in the sense of when
you go looking for a podcast to listen to, what would any
rational human being discern would be in that category. So it
is, if there's a, let's just say that there's this circle with a
whole bunch of, of qualities in it that encompass what a podcast
would be. And then all these 5 million items coming out of
anchor, how many of those qualify to be in that circle? So
if if it's a, you know, we've talked about this many times, if
it's a six minute ramble from somebody, you know, from
somebody talking about something that happened to them at the
grocery store, four years ago, and that's, that's, that's a
podcast, on Anchor, that's not a podcast. I mean, nobody cares.
Nobody is more than just nobody cares. It's nobody in the
history from now until the end of time. No human being will
ever listen to that piece of audio content. I mean, like, I
don't know,
Adam Curry: I don't know, very, very poor example. I would I
understand what you're saying. But let's just say it's the I
got the AP test, test, test, podcast test. That's basically
what you're talking about.
Dave Jones: But it is what I'm talking about. But I guess when
I'm trying, I was trying to be a little more flexible than that.
Because there are. That's probably that's a certain small
percentage of them. But we got
Adam Curry: to be really careful.
Dave Jones: I mean, I know, I know.
Adam Curry: Because you get into what you think is not a podcast,
or no one will listen to. I mean, what if I decide to upload
a speech I did 15 years ago? And you say, well, that's not a
podcast. I mean, I don't think that's fair. I understand what
you want. Because one out of 10 is just a test. It's not it's
nothing and nothing follows up, right. Let's be honest, you want
to punish Spotify, I'm with you on that. I hate those guys.
Dave Jones: That is not true. Okay, let me try to give me try
to expand this example a little bit. Let's say let's do a
thought experiment here and say that. Okay, every iPhone has a
voice recorder app on it. That is easy. You can you can record
things at the touch of a button. Let's say that tomorrow, Apple
announced that at any that in any moment, you could when you
use the voice recorder app, you could also tap a button right
there in the user interface and create a podcast feed for that.
Instantly, you would have hundreds of millions of podcasts
maybe. And what I'm saying is if the only criteria that we use to
say that this is a this is a podcast, is that it is audio
inside of an RSS feed that is not sustainable for the for any
sort of index. Because we live, nobody can handle aggregating
100 million podcasts.
Adam Curry: Okay, well, now you're mixing up a whole bunch
of things. A podcast doesn't have to be audio, it can be
video, it can be all kinds of different things. I like the
idea of and first of all, I don't think we have a problem
with an overload of 100 million
Dave Jones: anchors, Paleo thought experiments, purely
exotics.
Adam Curry: I'm thinking too and I'm thinking that's not
happening. When I understand you're, you're frustrated, but
the frustration is with is with the cleanup of the database of
garbage of junk. But what is you know, one man's junk is another
man's beauty. So we just have to be very very careful with making
judgment calls. If a if I had on my graphene OS a way to make a
podcast out of a voice recorder. I might actually make a podcast
of my voice recordings. Now, just because you don't consider
that to be a show. Doesn't mean that it's invalid.
Dave Jones: No, no. You You that's that's where we're not
tracking together. What I'm not saying that voice recordings off
the iPhone are all invalid as podcasts. What I'm saying is,
the signal to noise ratio is going to be so high. Sure, it's
no longer it's no longer sufficient to just say if it's
audio in an RSS feed, it is a podcast and it needs to be
indexed. So like, just because the RSS feed exists, doesn't,
let's say, if, if we don't in just because we don't index, it
doesn't mean that it got deleted. But what it can still
exist, it still exists on the internet.
Adam Curry: Yes. Understood. Okay, so not your mate. Okay,
you're making calls about what should be in the podcast index?
What problem are you trying to solve at this moment? Or is this
a future thing? If if Apple Apple would ever do that? Or is
this? Is there a specific problem you can point to? Right
now that you want to solve?
Dave Jones: Yeah, that's a good, that's a good way to ask. That's
a good way to get me to clarify what I'm thinking thank you
that. Okay, so let's call this the anchor, the anchor problem,
because the problem, like I said, though, like I started off
that the problem with anchor feeds is that it's a 10 to one
ratio of feeds that, and I'm gonna say this, again, because
this is the only way I know how to describe it is a 10 to one
ratio, there's 10 feeds for every one feed that that will
have some sort of audience, meaning people looking for it,
that would then need to be indexed. There's another 10
feeds coming out of anchor that are dead. That is something
nobody will ever listen to in the history of it from now to
eternity go ha,
Adam Curry: ha, that's a big call you're making, because and
what from? What I recall, is we had a set of parameters which
are published, this is what we're going to call out of the
index. And it was has to have X X number of items of X number of
something. I'm sure you have it codified somewhere. And that
that gets called out of the index, what I hear you saying is
you don't want to even have it come in in the first place.
Dave Jones: Maybe that's what I'm trying to talk out. That's
why we're having this conversation, because I'm not
sure. So you have John John Spurlock's sort of idea is and
this is you laid out his thinking as well, where he says,
Okay, well just have your criteria, ingest everything,
then call out the stuff that doesn't meet the criteria over
time, which is what I thought we were doing with anchor that is
exact Yeah. And that's, that's how we've been handling it. But
here's what here's the reason that I'm bringing this up. I get
the weekly stats dump every week. In it show one of the
things that when the database gets dumped out for public
download one of the things it does is it goes through and
tallies up all the podcasts the numbers that go along with each
hosting company and I put a lot of work into making that number
accurate. So I get a report on every Saturday night this that
shows each host and how many podcasts they have in the index
anchor but since we started doing the purging based on
criteria and that is at least you got to have at least three
episodes and he had to have at least one episode greater than
five minutes so that it's pretty pretty loose or or you have to
have an iTunes ID you have to have submitted so if if one of
those if none of those three criteria are met and you are a
free podcast host meaning anchor Spreaker other books you get
purged so since we implemented that anchor has not the number
of active anchor fees the index has not gone above 1.7 million
okay that's good it's been almost virtually stuck at that
number since which tail end which end but they claim
Adam Curry: they Ah Here we guys. Ah, here we go. Okay,
okay. Let's stop there for
Dave Jones: a second. That tells me that three point something
million of those podcasts in anchor don't meet that criteria.
Adam Curry: Got it. Stop. Okay. There's no auto ingest system
from anchor Correct.
Dave Jones: Four part test index. Yeah.
Adam Curry: So these are either submitted by people they've
manually submitted, or it's been submitted through either Swedish
trickler or some other mechanism. There's a couple of
different ways we get stuff. So where, where are the anchor
feeds coming from?
Dave Jones: They're coming, that's the sweetest trickler. In
this way, Strickler submits anchor feeds based on that the
known algorithm for how anchor, so does its URLs. So it's
basically an auto ingestion.
Adam Curry: Maybe that's what we should stop. Just stop auto
ingestion of anchor feeds, if you want to be if you want to be
in the index, you can go to podcast index.org and click on
Add.
Dave Jones: That's, that's what I was wondering if we should do.
Yes, that's what I was trying to figure out.
Adam Curry: Okay, well, how about this Swedish trickler.
Now, I have no problem with the Swedish tricolor making his own
decisions, what he feels should be is is appropriate for the
index. But if he's submitting a bunch of junk, which and I don't
mean that in a bad way, I mean, he's just got scripts go on, and
he's doing his thing, which is great. But maybe he should
consider not polluting the index, because this stuff just
gets taken to that's just a waste of cycle. We just need to
sync up with him. And, and I'm hearing a little bit of a of
something else, which I understand. You're thinking,
look at these dickheads claiming they got 5 million podcast, but
they're lying is bullcrap. It's just it's, it's, it's dirt,
it's, it's muck, it's mud. So you are in a way kind of mad
about I'm mad about that, too. But I don't want us to become
some kind of gatekeeper based upon some criteria that, you
know, well, just because it's something no one we think no one
will ever listen to. It's not valid. That just puts us in a
weird position.
Dave Jones: Yeah. Now still, yeah. I feel you on that. And I
understand that I'm getting into icky territory here. And, you
know, people are yelling at, you know, yelling in the chat room
about about censorship and not a good fit.
Adam Curry: But we're just, we're just talking here. People
were not simmer down. Donna Summer in the chat room. This
this, this is the beauty of this project is we're just talking
through something here. We're not, we're not trying to do
anything.
Dave Jones: And I'm, I'm totally sensitive to that idea that this
is these this is our censorship starts. Now, I fully understand
that. But there is I guess, they're realistic limits. If we
had a sugar daddy, that dropped, you know, the drop $10 million
on this, and we didn't have to worry about money anymore. May
not fire up under fire up sorcerers who would be going at
this thing hard. And I wouldn't I would never care about how
many feeds are in there, of course, but we have real, real
realistic constraints. And so we're really having
Adam Curry: Okay, I'm sorry, what we're really talking about
submission. So the issue here is, and I'm just telling you
what I feel okay, because you're my brother here. We have your I
heard the Spotify CEO in his little studio there with his
shield boys. I watched the whole interview. Well, we have 5
million podcasts he and you know, so we have 4 million, but
they're very well curated. And when I say curated, that means
you know, we have published criteria, and all the junk that
is literally Spotify junk. That's their problem. Now, I
can't speak for the other free podcast hosts, if it's all junk,
what comes out of them as well. But I think we need to make
clear that we do not automatically ingest from free
podcast host because there's a 10 to one ratio of serious
stuff. If you're serious, here's an easy way for you to submit it
into the index. And people ask us all the time to submit this.
And sometimes it didn't even search to see if they're in
there. But and there's and you can add your podcast yourself by
going to podcast index.org. And I think it's more of a policy is
like, Hey, do we see something from anchor? It's not an
automatic ingest, you need to come in and do it yourself. And
so we may have a lower count, we may not have everything. But I
would say we could even look if if if someone's on pod friend,
and they're searching for a podcast and it doesn't show up.
I mean, that to me is the signal, right? That's a signal
that says, oh, we should have this. Why don't we have this?
You know, there's maybe something we can do working with
the apps. I mean, because that's the only use case I can see
where it's a problem that we didn't ingest something because
we Uh, because we just didn't want it and thought, you know,
we said this is no good, but someone wanted it something that
has some signal has to go off and that I don't think it's just
us. I think it's a collaborative effort, that we identify things
that are not in the index. And, and we make sure that, you know,
that that gets flagged and gets taken care of immediately, if
not automatically, if possible.
Dave Jones: Yeah. I don't want to do anything right now, I want
to let this bake. And I want to let people have an opinion, you
know, form opinions on it and continue to talk about it a
little bit. I don't see any reason to make any sort of
changes right now. Because we're gonna have to do this database
upgrade anyway. Yeah. And that's, that's a no brainer. But
we're eliminating going
Adam Curry: back to what you just said, if if we had a we had
a Daddy Warbucks uncle, who said, you know, what, just suck
it all in suck in all that 5 million pieces of junk?
Dave Jones: Oh, if we had that, that would be super creepy. You
Adam Curry: know, I mean, would you be able to would you mean,
would that be satisfactory to you? Because we would have that
we would be able to ingest all the junk, because we'd have the
money to have the servers? Don't you still run into just a
general junk problem? Whether you whether you have the servers
to handle it or not?
Dave Jones: Yeah, for sure. Yeah. I mean, it's everything
becomes more difficult. When you have the higher the volume, the
volume goes up, everything gets everything gets slower,
Adam Curry: what I prefer, so I don't think Spotify or anchor
auto submit to Apple anymore, does it? I don't think that I
think they I think Apple turned that off. I'm not sure. But I
think so. I honestly
Dave Jones: don't know, I have a Spotify for podcasts account. So
I can, you know, test with it and that kind of thing. And I
really, sometimes it's very confusing exactly what that
interaction is. I don't think it's automatic. But I also don't
really fully understand how it's happening, either. I don't know
that I would I really wish I could answer that question.
Adam Curry: Because you know, from what I mean, look, Apple
just shouldn't just allow anything to be put in. I mean,
somehow, this show magically appeared there completely
illegally. We haven't made a big deal out of it. But lawsuits are
coming. But you kind of have to have an Apple account. That's
been that's been one of the biggest issues for me is that's
the that was the on ramp to podcasting. So I don't want to
be too much of an apple, like unwrap the podcast, but I'd much
more preferred to say, Oh, you go with anchor? Well, you're in
a big cesspool. And maybe you can find that on Spotify. But
you don't get automatically added to the index, go ahead and
be with those guys. Or go to one of 15 other hosts who are
professional, then either use pod ping to save the world from
global warming. Or have you know, or our trusted partners,
because they've been working with us and Oh, guess what, they
actually support the whole project. So they don't want to
ruin it either. And I think it's actually an opportunity to show
people that Spotify is not the way and anchor is not the way
Dave Jones: you know, I've been having this really weird thought
lately. If you look at what's going on right now, Spotify is
the biggest moves Spotify is making they have changed
Stratasys the money dried up, they have they have become begun
to morph. They are they are no longer doing a rapid rate of
exclusive deals. No, of course starting to pour a lot of money
into megaphone and they're open, not open their. Their their RSS
based solution.
Adam Curry: Yeah, this is all they have left is to be the best
partner.
Dave Jones: Right? And so what and they do pass through the if
you compare that to the other, you know, chumps getting into
this like, like Twitter and YouTube. Spotify compared to
them is actually like a bastion of openness.
Adam Curry: Yes, it's true. I'm
Dave Jones: not I'm not even I'm not even really miffed at
Spotify anymore. I'm miffed at at anchor for Spotify for
podcast is FP miffed at them for just the garbage? But I mean,
it's like Spotify in general, they're actually pretty good
becoming more and more decent all the time. I'm looking at
this. So we have right now our our Linode our database Linode
cost $96 A month. Thank you Linode for going up on your
prices 20%. We'll be upgrading that to the 32 gigs of RAM
version four, which will get take us to $192 a month. So
that's going to be the upgrade that I'm going to do tomorrow.
Public Service Announcement database upgrade starts at 6pm
on Saturday at 6pm Central time,
Adam Curry: be on standby be on standby.
Dave Jones: Buckle your seat, your safety belts. And, you
know, sit down because we there will be no problems. But we may
have problems. Yeah. But anyway, that's that's I mean, that's and
it's in no small part thanks to anchors stream Oh, John. So you
know, I don't want to say that I don't want to change anything
right now I think I want to listen to people's inputs,
because I'm okay with, with just continuing to ingest and purge
out things. But it really is like,
Adam Curry: it's annoying, it's annoying. It's annoying when
you, for me. It's highly annoying. But then a bunch of
Swedes came in with a big swing index, and bought all this stuff
and ruined a whole bunch of stuff and ruined, polluted
indexes and poke this polluted stuff with their greediness. And
now they're failing, I want to be going, I'm trying not to, I
think it will solve itself, I think anchor, they're going to
close that down as a free resource one way or the other.
Because it's not free to them, it's a drag on them, they cost
the money, they get one successful show, if they can't
monetize it. And this has always been the downside of the podcast
hosting business, is when you get a huge hit, you actually
start to lose money, there's all kinds of issues, they I think
they're figuring that out, they have to act like responsible
people with their pocketbook. That's why you're seeing all
these changes, I really do not believe in their business model,
you cannot monetize the network, it does not work for you. You
can barely monetize podcast. Now you have to have all of these
labels and, and an approval ratings for brand safe. I mean,
it is not it is a decentralized medium Megyn Kelly, and Glenn
Beck and, and when and if it happens, Tucker Carlson, they
will have advertisers that will support their audience and their
podcast. And you can hear them you can hit these are not BMW, I
mean, one of them might get a BMW, but I doubt it. That's the
type of advertising that works. When you're a network, this is
what you need to survive with the overhead of A, I've been
through this, I've done it and failed at it spent $65 million
of other people's money doing it. It does not work in the
advertising business, to do it on an individual level, whether
you have a rep or not to go out and get advertisers who will
work with you. And a lot of that's going to be host read,
there is total survivability in that. But it's not going to be
at the network level, they are going to fail. And they just
haven't figured it out yet. But I can see the sweat on his bald
head.
Dave Jones: Now that's coming from the Holy Gospel robe.
That's got a little kick to it. Yeah,
Adam Curry: it's it's, it's a foregone conclusion. This is why
I don't believe in in Dai, or any of this stuff. I've been
around, I've been around, I've been in the ad game all of my
professional life. I know how it works, they want control. If you
can't do it on a network by basis, there's no control over
the content.
Dave Jones: The only the only thing that I think will be a cat
would be a casualty of Not, not auto ingesting anchor and
instead making them making people submit their feeds
individually. The only one, the only casualty I can think of are
the statistics. So like Spurlock's monthly statistics,
you know, because he makes those charts and everything. But but
the thing is, I think the statistics would actually be
better. Because you're you're getting, getting rid of what the
way it looks right now, if you look at those statistics, the
way it looks, is you have Spotify for podcasters. This
like 10 miles above everybody else. And the only reason it's
like that is because of the 10 to one junk ratio. If you get
rid of that and bring that back down to earth, then you have a
chart which you have is like right now it's like Spotify way
up here. And then you have a bunch of like bed of squiggly
lines at the bottom that you can't make any sense out of. If
you bring that down to earth, then you'll have a more
realistic chart that looks more normal.
Adam Curry: I would actually say you get a lot of benefit out of
working with Spurlock on that. I mean, how can we figure out what
what's what's worthy or not based upon? I mean, there's a
whole there's many many things to do
Dave Jones: and Just feel like data. Yeah, you're right. You're
right.
Adam Curry: I'm right. Oh, man, how come I'm not married to you?
I'm never right here at home.
Dave Jones: No, no, you're
Adam Curry: absolutely right.
Dave Jones: No, you're right. It should go back to the other
wall.
Adam Curry: You know, I bet I feel the same about Mackey. The
way you feel about this, you know, Mackey, the audio company,
a company. Yeah, so they come out with a Mackie F LZ. Creator,
which is, this is a beautiful honkin piece of gear. You know,
it's very much like the road caster, except it's got a huge
screen. I mean, it's, it's a, it's a wanna have type thing.
You know, it's like, look at look at this is this box is
beautiful, I love it. I'm excited by it. It has processing
and has mix minus and all this stuff. And it's about the same
price. And, you know, and then I just look at the specs, I think,
you losers. I would I well, I have said many times, I will
consult for free, call me, I'll tell you what you need. They're
missing some key essential things once again, in this
beautiful box, I'm sure they can fix it with software, you know,
they're just missing some essential things. It's so
unbelievable.
Dave Jones: The DLZ creator know who this thing's pretty told
Adam Curry: you. It's beautiful. You know, but here's the here's,
here's the two things right off the bat, they're missing.
There's no processing over the total signal. I mean, if you
can't process your your output signal, then what are you doing?
I mean, that's stupid. That's just not not even thinking. And
then the little things, the Liturgy of the little things.
Like when I when I cracked the mic on my road caster, my
speakers in the studio go out they mute. This is the type of
things Ah, yeah,
Dave Jones: man, let me guess they sent you a sample box.
Adam Curry: And I wish they had I wish they had
Dave Jones: back at this thing as guests so many connections on
it.
Adam Curry: And they only have one USB where I mean, for as
again, I've never been called by road either. I think they copied
a lot of my stuff. And I hope they did. Because I got it to
market quicker. I don't mind. I'm using it. I'm happy. I'm so
happy. I'm looking at that duo near the little cute one. But I
want that one to just I want to have it.
Dave Jones: You don't even get to use it. You just want to have
it again.
Adam Curry: Exactly. I just want to have it to use it sometimes.
You know, if you'd like using this one today.
Dave Jones: You know, everybody on the website using the Mackay
deals the creators so happy.
Adam Curry: It's gonna be great. It's gonna be fantastic.
Dave Jones: He Fetty there's a
Adam Curry: shout out to to our French connection for podcast.
data.org That's pretty cool.
Dave Jones: Yeah, thanks, Ben. That's pretty rad. I'm gonna he
sent me a request for some stuff that I'm going to fulfill. I'd
liked it because get him.
Adam Curry: You know, it's like, I'm not going to download our
database and run SQL queries. I'm not going to do that. Could
I Yeah, job. Like, and it's not really, I'm not super interested
in all that. But just sometimes I like Oh, I'm just gonna play
around with this. And just, you know, learn some stuff. It was
really cool. I like it. I mean, it's just it was a nice addition
really appreciate him doing that.
Dave Jones: It made me realize that I need to go back and put
some more bits of metadata into the weekly dump. Because we like
there's some stuff that would help been on that side. And if I
can just throw in a little bit extra data for him to
Adam Curry: tell me what what you're doing in the near future.
So I know you're upgrading the database. So that's, that's
gonna keep you busy for a week at least just upgrade tweaking
all that stuff. What else can we help you with?
Dave Jones: Yeah, okay. So, database database upgrade
tomorrow. That is going to be I can just run through the process
real quick. So at 6pm Central Time, tomorrow, I will, what I'm
going to here's what I'm going to do. I'm going to make a snap
schema, I'm going to restore the database from backup from the
nightly snapshot. So I'm going to restore that to a new VM
Whoa, man.
Adam Curry: You can you stream doing while you're doing this?
Can you do a screencast stream it live just so we can enjoy
watching this. That's so cool.
Dave Jones: That's actually kind of funny to think about. If it
blows up as if it would be horribly It'd be terrible. have
that documented, I will, I will consider that that's actually
kind of fun. Yeah,
Adam Curry: one of those, one of the Alex's feeds.
Dave Jones: A lot of y'all guys do thing, no agenda tube last
year. So we'll restore it from nightly backup into a new VM,
turn off all of the rights to the database. So turn off all
the aggregators, any shut down, all the cron jobs, every
everything that's running that could perhaps write to the
database, turn all those off, so that it becomes very low, low
write traffic, there will still be writes coming in through the
API. through the, through some of the API calls, I'm going to
flip a switch a flag in the API config file, that will tell it
there's a database upgrade in progress. When that happens, any
rights coming in through the API will be only logged. They won't
be actually written to the database, but it will, but it
will hand back they will hand back the appropriate response to
the caller. So that they don't know the difference. Whoa. So
then, then, as soon as as soon as that happens, I will flip the
API over to point to the new to the temporary database that I've
just restored. And then resize the current database, which will
take about 20 minutes. I think I timed it the other day with a
test 28 to 30 minutes, somewhere in that timeframe. It will, it
will reboot and resize the database. Then I'll flip the API
back to the live database as the source and if everything checks
out, turn everything back on. Oh, man,
Adam Curry: what are you doing this? What time?
Dave Jones: 6pm Central tomorrow.
Adam Curry: 6pm Central, you know, I'm gonna do at 6pm
Central.
Dave Jones: I'm gonna give rise to the API. No, I'm gonna
Adam Curry: I'm gonna reboot our node just to make it all
complete. No, God.
Dave Jones: Are you trying to kill me? I mean, like, I needed
any drinks. Any alcohol for this or something? Wow. No, I mean,
this is this is very much fino show moving stuff around and
nightlights? I don't know. Well, we'll see how it goes. We'll
see. I guess so that that'll be the database. Okay. That's what
I've been doing the last couple of weeks is just doing test runs
of these things to make sure that the to make sure that I
understand how long each of these phases is going to last
right. There's a possibility that during the switch that
during the resize that the API could return what do we want to
say unsound data? misinformation? They may be
beginning to report fake news. Emission disinformation, Matt
MDM, Mal mountain and Mal information.
Adam Curry: So what can what can everybody do to help alleviate
less rights? Everybody? No. Right. Don't write no letters.
Dave Jones: No. Alt rights. We can? No, we there's nothing to
do I think except just be aware of that for a couple of hours
tomorrow from six to roughly question mark. There may be
misinformation coming from the database. So
Adam Curry: Okay. Wow. All right. I was like, You know
what, I'm gonna pray for you. That's what I'm gonna do.
Dave Jones: Thank you, brothers. That actually would be more
helpful than anything I'm doing.
Unknown: Oh, man. Oh,
Dave Jones: roasted API hallucinations. Yes. There you
go. Exactly. So that's that's that but then after that I'm
working on a there's a thing that Oscar has been asking for
for a while that I'm going to do I'm going to finish up I've
already started it. But then I'm going to finish that up. It's a
an immediate parse. So what he said was, you know, some
sometimes a feed is just not getting the is not getting an
episode in a timely fashion. And there can be a lot of reasons
for that I don't want to get into and there's different we
have priority flags and all this kind of stuff. Things can just
get out of whack. So he said, you know, what would really be
nice is if, if I could send if I could call an API endpoint that
would give me they would, they would immediately parse the
feed, extracted latest episodes and given back to me like the
prop. The problem with that is that the API the language that a
API is written in PHP, the aggregators are written in node
in the polars. The feed polls are written in rust. All the
code that does polling and aggregation is all written in
Rust in JavaScript, so I can't. And there's no PHP for that. So
what I had to do is go back to the freedom controller,
Adam Curry: oh, my phone. Wait a minute, we've gone back to the
freedom control. This is an emergency now we're getting the
bottom of the barrel, right glass, right.
Dave Jones: And to go back to the frame Silla and forklift, a,
an old aggregator, some old aggregator code out of that, to,
to get a template for this thing. So because because PHP
uses a simple XML library. So anyway, well, that that'll
happen, but it was more work than I'd hoped for. So that
there's that that's that's in the in the works.
Adam Curry: Wow. Oh, man. Well, you know, I know it's gonna be
fine. You have worked with you for 14 years now.
Dave Jones: 14, long, Longton
Adam Curry: and, and downtime is just not a thing. I'm not too
worried about I understand what you're doing. I understand the
complexity of it. But I know you think these things through.
It'll be fine. You'll work it out. And I hope everyone
appreciates what you do.
Dave Jones: Where did Daniel J lewis go, by the way?
Adam Curry: Oh, that's ha. She was he was
Dave Jones: he was working on a cross app comments thing and
then he just poof just disappeared.
Adam Curry: Daniel J. Cole and Daniel J. Lewis. Checking please
check in at the front desk. Want to make sure you're okay. Let's
thank some people. They were running behind. I want to get
you out back to a you had the rest of the day off.
Dave Jones: Yeah, man. Oh, nice. Memorial Day weekend, by the
Adam Curry: way. Thank you, Eric. p p for your heli pad for
for start nine. I'm gonna try loading that up.
Dave Jones: What is this? What are you talking about? You know,
what's
Adam Curry: your start nine is the professional version of
Umbral. Yeah, right? I got one of those. Remember, they sent me
a box. Yeah. So we ported heli pad to the Start OS OS that was
not informed of this. Yeah. That's the problem with open
source. Oh, this is awesome. Yeah, it is super awesome.
Because that I mean, that thing is stable. I'd have it running
for I don't know, like a month now. That thing's running like a
champ.
Dave Jones: Where's the guy? He said? He said he'll send me the
package. He sent me the package. Hey,
Adam Curry: yeah, love your package, man. Send me the
package. Love your package. Let me thanks some people who've
been boosting during the show. Curtis Peterson 10,000 SATs
Thank you Pete Curtis. Sam wavelet we thanked him earlier
with this 50,000 SATs gotta love the music biz. Mike Newman
33,333 says hey CB CT litter was barking because she wanted in
the studio. I can't believe you've never done that. And
there's air TT says agenda to start nine node have a diversion
of helipad app and he gave me the gave me the GitHub so I'm
going to going to try and load that up maybe a weekend project
10101 from blueberry. We are three weeks deep into using the
time splits oh there you go. lavish and I have been able to
feature about three songs during each intermission on one
additional song for the playout music I have concerned that we
won't be able to do this live as we cut together a 15 minute mix
featuring all the music I would say talk to one way would be it
would be is to combine the value blocks I'm just off the top I
had talked to Steven B about that that's a good problem to
have I would say another blueberry 6666 Lorien from bowl
after bowl nailed it and this was one of my new favorite ISOs
Okay, I'm gonna make me play something that I might regret
regret was happening here
Unknown: Oh tubing is a mental illness. Chasing numbers is a
mental illness. Trying to build your following is a mental
illness
Dave Jones: that was worth it. I kind of like yeah, that was
worth
Adam Curry: it. That was kind of worth it. How long is that
thing? Can you say the end of show?
Unknown: Oh, tubing is a mental illness. Chasing numbers is a
mental illness. If I stop it they're trying to build your
following is a mental illness
Adam Curry: kind of the last
Unknown: chasing numbers is a mental illness. Okay, trying.
Adam Curry: Almost had a home. I just got a set of cute. There we
go. Okay, set some crack. 222 collaborative ISO magic boost.
No idea what you're talking about. Oh, that's, that's Sorry,
Sir Brian of London. 31,948. That's his 1948 Israeli booths.
I can't hear you but I'm sending my booths live anyway. That's we
always say oh, you He's just not listening, but he's sending it
anyway. Okay. Rustic club, brush Calavera 3000 SATs boosting in
my spandex. Okay. Nathan But Nathan gathright just came in
with a short row of ducks in ideal world fountain steno FM
etc will be able to post transcripts back to the host for
them to include in the feed if they want. Failing that sharing
them back to the index as a shim would be a great way for
podcasts and 2.0 apps to share only when the podcaster hasn't
provided one. I liked the idea of sending it back to the host
to be quite honest about it. But yeah, stuff for hosting people
to work out most likely. feifer with 6666 lit boosting through
the index fantastic. I see it indeed came through the the
index tone record with a short row of ducks Friday fun time.
Martin from pod friend 4321 boosting for Dave sweet velvety
pre show voice. Yo Yeah. And of course pre boosting for the
boost boost Dred Scott with 101010 There he goes. He's
Unknown: always there for us. 20 blades on the Impala
Adam Curry: ball. Paula booth. Thank you chat after 3333
Another Martin with 1000 lit squad ready. And those are the
pre show boosts and during the show booster grams. I'm sure you
have a fine list to thank as well.
Dave Jones: This fun list begins with Marco Arment $500 Yo
Adam Curry: yo yo Bala
Unknown: Sakala 20 This Blaze on I am Paula,
Adam Curry: we are keeping the keeping the index clean for you
Marco taking out the trash.
Dave Jones: copy him this morning. I really would like to
know if anybody else is seeing these iTunes API five oh,
threes? Yeah. What's
Adam Curry: noticing what's the 503?
Dave Jones: It's just service unavailable. Oops. Yeah, I've
been noticing this a lot. I mean, it's never for a super
long amount of time. It'll be this way for five minutes. And
then it'll free up and then you'll get it for another five
minutes. I don't know. It's just I've never seen this consistent
level of 503 is coming from Apple before. So I don't know it
kind of makes me it weirds me out a little bit. Something's
going on. Because it's been go. This has been happening for a
couple of weeks now. Interesting. Interesting. I
don't know. But but one of the remember, people may not realize
or remember this, but we have. We have clone endpoints for the
iTunes API.
Adam Curry: Yes. Which you can just drop right in, right?
Dave Jones: Yeah. So you can do an AB you can have. If your app
depends on the Apple API, Apple lookup API, you can just replace
the host name of forgot what it's like. I look up that iTunes
dot commerce out forgot what just replace the host name with
API podcast. index.org. And it just works. So you can have that
as a fallback if you get a 503 from Apple fallback to request
Yes, and when Apple's stuff comes back online, you're good
to go. Flip back.
Adam Curry: How cool is that? People that's worth a boost.
Dave Jones: That's free of charge his right Buzzsprout $500
Oh man, I love Thank you. Thank
Unknown: you 20 blades on the hem ball up
Adam Curry: next no doubt anchor with $500
Dave Jones: This Did you see both sprouts? Got some sort of
AI thing? I read?
Adam Curry: I would I would I would expect no less from them.
Of course they got some kind of what are they doing with the AI
thing?
Dave Jones: I don't know. I don't know what what all it is
we need to we need to get more information
Adam Curry: out. Okay, I am excited now. I mean, I've been
waiting for what I mean because it's show notes
Dave Jones: or something maybe Buzzsprout ads co host AI
Adam Curry: Konos. It introduces to Holon pod news has the has
the breakdown. Buzzsprout introduces AI tool for your
podcasting workflow, which podcast Buzzsprout is thrilled,
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AI a groundbreaking groundbreaking tool that
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tantalized co host AI automatically generates episode
titles, description chapter markers and transcripts, freeing
podcasters from these often time consuming tasks. I've tried I've
tried stuff like this I think with most of these things, I
can't forget what it was I tried. It gives you a summary
and then it does give you some ideas for for Chapter points and
conscription. ans i personally, I like to like to pay. Dr.
Scott. I like giving him 5% of the of the value block. But I
can see where it can it can save some people some time.
Congratulations. I mean, it might be great.
Dave Jones: Oh, Nathan said they did a partnership with a with
podium. Okay,
Adam Curry: that's probably Yeah, I tried podium podium is
an AI company who are launching, I think they want to launch into
all kinds of businesses. And so they they're doing like, all
kinds of little things to show off their wares. So that podium
is probably what I use, actually.
Dave Jones: Thank you. Thank you, Tom. And Kevin and
Buzzsprout. Appreciate that Franco. Celerio $100. Nice.
Unknown: Thank you. Blades on I am Paula. That's so
Adam Curry: cool.
Dave Jones: He says Dave, Adam, and everyone that is involved in
podcasting. 2.0 Thank you for your ideas, your work and your
support.
Adam Curry: No, thank you for your support. We really
appreciate it, man. Thank you.
Dave Jones: Yeah, the lb. The LB and swap over in cast ematic was
pretty much flawless. It was smooth as it was.
Adam Curry: That's the only one I can't test because I don't
have I don't have apple.
Dave Jones: Yeah, no, it worked great. And so, I mean, as far as
I know, correct me if I'm wrong, but I think we're almost done
with the LNP node.
Adam Curry: Oh, okay. If not, we have a few more days or weeks, I
think before everyone shuts off off if I'm not mistaken.
Dave Jones: I just paid the Ellen pay bill this morning.
Adam Curry: Okay, so that might be one of the last one. So we'll
see. Okay, so I was correct. I did use it was podium. And I had
us podium on episode 123. It's very, this very show. And now
let me just do a quick I'm sorry. I know I'm taking a
little bit of time. What was the what was the title of episode
123 Oh, God. Well, I should be able to look that up real quick,
right? Yeah, yeah,
Dave Jones: I can actually get a podcast
Adam Curry: with ya 123
Dave Jones: and 20 threes. Get off my chain.
Adam Curry: Okay. The suggested episode title. Explore. Are you
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cryptocurrency and blockchain technology.
Dave Jones: Oh god, that's horrible.
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Dave Jones: that is so boring. Let me let me show you what let
me let me see what my
Adam Curry: what your Yes.
Dave Jones: For the for this show before we started here.
Let's see. Okay, here it is. Episode 134. I said it's time
for the board meeting. We're running with scissors live with
episode 134. Come listen to nobody announced for President.
Exactly. That's that's an announcement that other thing
was boring.
Adam Curry: Well, it has highlights which I would say our
chapters just give you the highlights. So these would be
chapters modernizing podcasting capabilities with breeze, tool
selection and open source evolution of relays and AI
algorithms. The death of Fiat podcasting. I do like that. See,
I would keep that breeze SDK for apps good one, exploring the
potential of noster technology and OS T are welcome nostril.
Welcome to the party, pal. Okay, that's a good another good
chapter title, the emergence of podcasting to point out layoffs
in podcasting, and community in Bitcoin world note.
Dave Jones: So you don't call it layoffs in podcasting, you call
it chop and drop Exactly.
Adam Curry: As a guideline tool, I can see where where it's
useful, and of course it does a it does a transcript.
Dave Jones: Once you've gotten used to dred Scott's chapters,
there's no image there's no AI can touch him with a 10 foot
pole.
Adam Curry: I don't have to add to that.
Dave Jones: He's a he's a he's a chapter savant
Adam Curry: chapter Master. Yes. Chapter captain.
Dave Jones: Captain Mike And that's right. Let's see who we
go with. Now that was it with the pay pals. Okay, thank
Adam Curry: you. Thank you hosting friends. Thank you
hosting friends and Marco thank you very very much Franco and
Franco. Yes, thank you.
Dave Jones: We got let's see chat F with 3333 No note, Chad's
not in the note writing blued evidently, because we get
another 3333 from Chad F and there's also no note we got some
some big satchel Richard from you. You must have been money
printer good. burring Mike Newman 333 A Pew for the post
show money printer. Thank you for your courage. Nope. drips
got 1234561456
Adam Curry: Well, I mean, do we do we'd give him a big big
baller follow?
Unknown: Stock Carla 20 is Blaze on him. Paula.
Adam Curry: That's what puts songs at the top of wav like,
top 40
Dave Jones: This is what must this is. This must have been
when you played it as the outro Yeah,
Adam Curry: exactly. So we do need to be able to differentiate
because we only get a small percentage of that. Yeah, but
I'm happy to big baller that because it's big baller it
supports everybody it supports the artists it gets people
excited so I'm happy
Dave Jones: let's see we got I think we got two of these from
from Drib I think we got 212345 sixes wow it's the same note but
it I mean they came in a different timestamps
Adam Curry: interesting. He might have sent them twice as
possible.
Dave Jones: Okay, well hard hats and his satchel Richard for
1111. We got a 14 21,420 from SCO TT and he just says yes,
Adam Curry: indeed. Yes, streaming.
Dave Jones: Mike Newman essential Richards he says, oh,
Oscar fountain live beta seems to completely come commandeer My
phone's audio even if I press pause on the Live episode. I
can't stop the stream.
Adam Curry: You know what Tina? Really love? What the number one
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was like Berge read it all nice. And I said Well, that was I will
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he just said the same exact thing and change it to
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it's super fast.
Adam Curry: Can he can he have it generate show notes and
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Dave Jones: Probably but it'll be boring. But
Adam Curry: just curious. Who knows. I mean maybe his stuff
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Adam Curry: Hey, it's a fan favorite that AI dog cooking
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Dave Jones: that article came out by the way.
Adam Curry: Oh, it did. Yeah. Did you look at it.
Dave Jones: Read the first paragraph where had the leaf
Adam Curry: oh man wired. I can't believe we didn't check
that out at Wired Magazine.
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Adam Curry: Oh no. Oh, no. Oh no. I'll have to cancel my
order. A generative AI podcasts are here. I was at the article.
Dave Jones: For it looking for looking for it. I don't know.
Just the lady's blowing her nose.
Adam Curry: I don't I searched for cooking. I don't see cooking
in this article. Just came out the 24th Wait, it's just written
by Katie. Let me see if it's Katie. Because if it's Katie,
Katie right this
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Adam Curry: Yeah. Okay, well, I'm gonna write her and say,
Well, did she mention podcasts index, and
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Dave Jones: She gave us a link right there. And the first thing
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Adam Curry: you. All right, Katie. You're back on top. Your
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Dave Jones: Thank you for giving us a link that will cause us to
have to spend more money on servers. Oh, now don't be that.
I'm kidding. I'm kidding. I'm not you can do that. You said
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Adam Curry: Oh, um, but that's my job. You're supposed to be
the good guy.
Dave Jones: Oh, yeah. Thanks, Katie. This is how it works was
very nice. She was very nice about it.
Adam Curry: I'm very appreciative of it. Thank you,
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Dave Jones: good idea.
Adam Curry: Thank you everybody so much is so incredibly
generous, important. Thank you. I probably should check the
tally coin to see if Dredd boosted us there as well. To go
to podcasts. index.org down at the bottom. Oh, yeah, sure.
Tallyho for the trifecta of V for V donations for this episode
monthly pay pal boosted gram and Tally coin. 74,522 Satoshis. No,
the chapter GPT. checks in again. Cheesy. Great. We are
value for value and value for value works. If you actually
deliver value, you can see what's going on here. Thank you
so much to everybody who supported us this week. It's not
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the drip just like bread, drip press hear his name on it. We
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you, Dave Jones.
Dave Jones: I'm proud of you too. I've got public service
announcements like okay, public
Adam Curry: service announcements before we go and
I'm going to cut you off because you know, this is way beyond
your time. Well, I
Dave Jones: No, no, no, I don't have to go back to work. I'm
I'll this true clear. Okay, the clear. Good. This is not okay.
There's one perfect one public service announcement and one
thing specifically for chyron from the mere mortals podcast,
the car Karen, the two books you want do you want to read from
Frederick Naisha are this book there's Zarathustra? That his
his his this is what I was told by my friend who is a Nietzsche
scholar. That is that book displays his his mature
philosophical thought. And you also want to read the
Antichrist, which in his words shows how insane he is because
he advocates violence against Christians. Okay.
Adam Curry: That is I'm switching to the Nietzsche value
block here live. Okay.
Dave Jones: All right, and come back.
Adam Curry: We're back. We're back. We're back yesterday.
Dave Jones: The public service announcement is if you run
Windows, disable, you will be doing yourself a favor to
disable fast startup. Oh, in the power options.
Adam Curry: Oh, why? Why is that? Why? Tell us about this
public public service.
Dave Jones: We have over the last few months in my day job we
have noticed an alarmingly large increase in the number of weird
things going on with windows that involve like memory leaks,
printers doing weird things, just all kinds of really hard to
pin down issues and almost every one of them is solved if you
disable fast startup
Adam Curry: now where do I find this fast startup because I find
a lot but I don't see the Fast Startup
Dave Jones: it's really a pain in the butt to find if you go to
the settings and then go in search for power power option if
you start if you just go into the settings apps for power go
to I think it's called power and sleep options or something and
you go in there and then you go to Advanced
Adam Curry: advanced yep then I get a little power options thing
that pops up yep,
Dave Jones: the control panel applets then over the left of
the control panel and
Adam Curry: basically in Windows three now yeah, yes, you're
right.
Dave Jones: You're in the right place. Yes,
Adam Curry: yes.
Dave Jones: Then now if you go up to the OP the link that says
Choose what closing the lid does or choose what the power buttons
do. Over on the left
Adam Curry: I'm looking but I I just from wireless. I mean, I
don't have a laptop so maybe it's not in here. Tower man Oh,
display display maybe turned it No. Power processing management?
No.
Dave Jones: Yes. So you'll you'll want to you'll want to
find that option that says Choose what the power and sleep
buttons do. It should be in there somewhere that if you
don't know what yours looks like but it should be in the advanced
if you're on that screen that shows whether you can go to
balanced or high performance power
Adam Curry: yeah high performance over on the left you
Dave Jones: should have some options and one of them should
be something like choose what the power button does. If you
click if you the way you get there is you click that then at
the bottom you will see a thing that lets you disable fast
startup not seeing it
Adam Curry: no I screenshot Yeah, I mean I know what you're
talking about. But I just display Trump processor power
management I don't have I don't have a lid thing because I don't
have a lid lid yeah
Dave Jones: yeah, there's another one this though that
doesn't is not the lid it's like choose what the power button
does.
Adam Curry: I don't have that button. I know I think I'm in
the right screen I got all that stuff.
Dave Jones: issues within the Power Options section select
Change what the power buttons do.
Adam Curry: I don't have that. I don't have that option. Okay,
well, so I don't so I don't have the problem. Boom solved.
Dave Jones: You fixed it without doing anything.
Adam Curry: Dave my brother have yourself a great weekend. What a
great what a great board meeting. Thank you everybody in
the chat room. Man I'm so excited we're going to be
onstage at Bitcoin 2024 We're going to blow everyone's socks
off. We've got so much coolness to celebrate. And if you're
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