1 00:00:00,810 --> 00:00:05,820 Adam Curry: podcasting to one over June 2 2023, episode 135 2 00:00:05,910 --> 00:00:12,390 maximizing the once again time for your board meeting 3 00:00:12,390 --> 00:00:19,740 podcasting 2.0 weekly end of the week enjoyment. We are the 4 00:00:19,740 --> 00:00:22,890 boardroom that runs on human intelligence, nothing artificial 5 00:00:22,890 --> 00:00:25,980 here. I'm Adam curry in the heart of the Texas Hill Country 6 00:00:25,980 --> 00:00:28,950 and in Alabama the man you need to call for your enlargement 7 00:00:28,950 --> 00:00:32,220 jobs, databases that is say hello to my friend on the other 8 00:00:32,220 --> 00:00:36,210 end, ladies and gentlemen, Mr. De Jones. 9 00:00:37,979 --> 00:00:42,089 Dave Jones: Don't get me into that game, please. I was the 10 00:00:42,089 --> 00:00:43,229 only databases 11 00:00:43,289 --> 00:00:47,039 Adam Curry: I was so impressed. I was so impressed. You were 12 00:00:47,159 --> 00:00:49,529 reading it while you were streaming it live. And we had 13 00:00:49,649 --> 00:00:52,949 lots of people watching it was so that was fun. It was 14 00:00:52,949 --> 00:00:55,499 fantastic. You know, you had your pussy by your side. 15 00:00:58,380 --> 00:00:59,160 Dave Jones: Adam curry, 16 00:00:59,189 --> 00:01:01,949 Adam Curry: that's what do you mean, now you're your black cat? 17 00:01:02,520 --> 00:01:08,700 Dave Jones: I do agree with I do agree with Alex. It is it is the 18 00:01:08,700 --> 00:01:14,460 height of folly to allow your cat to walk around on the on the 19 00:01:14,460 --> 00:01:18,090 desk while you're doing server maintenance. That is a very 20 00:01:18,090 --> 00:01:20,970 stupid idea. And that did not stop me from doing it though. 21 00:01:21,150 --> 00:01:24,510 Adam Curry: This was I think we could have a dude named Ben 22 00:01:24,510 --> 00:01:29,910 channel where all you can switch between is the way if you didn't 23 00:01:29,910 --> 00:01:34,140 see it, people. So you basically saw Dave screens and then in the 24 00:01:34,140 --> 00:01:38,730 corner was Dave and he would he and he had a playlist going so 25 00:01:38,730 --> 00:01:43,350 you know we're listening to the music we see in your, your what 26 00:01:43,350 --> 00:01:46,620 you're typing on the screen, all your different terminal windows 27 00:01:46,620 --> 00:01:49,620 are open. And you know, and everyone's of course waiting for 28 00:01:49,620 --> 00:01:52,740 you to show something you shouldn't show. 29 00:01:53,790 --> 00:01:56,010 Dave Jones: Flick my credit card number something, whatever, 30 00:01:56,010 --> 00:01:56,520 whatever you have, 31 00:01:56,520 --> 00:01:58,830 Adam Curry: then you switch it over to the cat. And then you're 32 00:01:58,860 --> 00:02:01,740 then you popped on the mic and like, look at my keyboard, I got 33 00:02:01,740 --> 00:02:04,050 a whole bunch of these keyboards and it was key point keyboard 34 00:02:04,050 --> 00:02:07,020 porn. Oh, that's a great keyboard. I love that. Where'd 35 00:02:07,020 --> 00:02:09,630 you get that keyboard? It was 36 00:02:09,840 --> 00:02:13,050 Dave Jones: interesting, is showing off my 1980s keyboards 37 00:02:13,050 --> 00:02:15,420 that weigh 20 pounds each. Yeah, that's great. 38 00:02:15,840 --> 00:02:19,260 Adam Curry: And in general, I just like to say, cuz it was a 39 00:02:19,260 --> 00:02:22,230 congress, you know, no agenda, social froze or something. I'm 40 00:02:22,230 --> 00:02:26,130 not quite sure what happened. And then, as usual, you know, 41 00:02:26,130 --> 00:02:30,570 and it doesn't matter if people use a resource, like our Macedon 42 00:02:30,570 --> 00:02:33,180 server for no agenda for free, or if they pay for it doesn't 43 00:02:33,180 --> 00:02:38,010 matter. People always pitching. And I just want to say, 44 00:02:39,930 --> 00:02:44,580 seriously, you know, now, in a big tech land, it's called a 45 00:02:44,580 --> 00:02:51,570 glitch, you know, just as glitch. But it's huge, long, 46 00:02:51,570 --> 00:02:56,190 long, long ago, I understood that the people who really run 47 00:02:56,310 --> 00:03:01,020 my world and I think everybody's world, our SIS admins, server 48 00:03:01,020 --> 00:03:08,910 admins, IT admins, do you need to temper yourself? Yes, because 49 00:03:08,940 --> 00:03:13,830 it's, I mean, random acts of kindness will get you very, very 50 00:03:13,830 --> 00:03:16,920 far with, with the people who run the world, and they truly 51 00:03:16,920 --> 00:03:21,870 are the ones who run your world, you don't know it. But when 52 00:03:21,870 --> 00:03:23,520 something goes wrong, if you're the first one 53 00:03:25,860 --> 00:03:29,850 Dave Jones: you have partially as I feel like I can say this 54 00:03:29,850 --> 00:03:34,860 with authority, you have partially built your career on 55 00:03:35,520 --> 00:03:39,750 making own on being kind and be and playing nice with sis 56 00:03:39,750 --> 00:03:43,230 admins. That has been important. I mean, that light has been a 57 00:03:43,230 --> 00:03:47,190 part of has been part of you for for 25 years, at least. 58 00:03:47,250 --> 00:03:49,950 Adam Curry: Actually, it goes a little bit further than that. 59 00:03:50,460 --> 00:03:54,810 When I started doing television when I was 19, I made sure I 60 00:03:54,810 --> 00:03:59,010 knew how everybody's job worked. So I knew how the cameras work. 61 00:03:59,040 --> 00:04:01,710 I'm not saying that I could be a better cameraman, but I knew how 62 00:04:01,710 --> 00:04:04,800 they worked. I knew how they how the dollies worked, how the 63 00:04:04,860 --> 00:04:08,070 intercom work, how you press the button to see the live feed. I 64 00:04:08,070 --> 00:04:11,340 knew how audio the audio engineer the lighting engineer 65 00:04:11,640 --> 00:04:16,350 make up everything I made sure I knew it because television you 66 00:04:16,350 --> 00:04:19,590 need everybody. If everyone's not on board is going to suck if 67 00:04:19,590 --> 00:04:22,110 one person is out of sync and it's with film I guess the same 68 00:04:22,110 --> 00:04:25,470 I don't know that much about film but it gets similar and 69 00:04:25,470 --> 00:04:30,120 I've always wanted to know how everybody's job worked. And so 70 00:04:30,120 --> 00:04:33,780 the similar when when technology came along, because only then 71 00:04:33,810 --> 00:04:36,690 can I get out of it what I want out of it is if I know how 72 00:04:36,720 --> 00:04:39,360 everything works and I can sympathize with the issues of 73 00:04:39,360 --> 00:04:39,900 others 74 00:04:40,590 --> 00:04:43,650 Dave Jones: oh yeah yeah. So you you need to know how their stuff 75 00:04:43,650 --> 00:04:47,010 works so that you can understand their their frustrate you can 76 00:04:47,010 --> 00:04:49,380 empathize so you can have empathy. Yeah, well 77 00:04:49,380 --> 00:04:51,840 Adam Curry: not just have empathy but I can brainstorm and 78 00:04:51,840 --> 00:04:54,360 say well, okay, I don't know exactly how this works. But can 79 00:04:54,360 --> 00:04:58,230 we do this? And if you're not full of crap, which most people 80 00:04:58,230 --> 00:05:02,880 are at You know, then you'll have an interesting conversation 81 00:05:02,880 --> 00:05:03,720 you'll figure it out. 82 00:05:04,110 --> 00:05:06,300 Dave Jones: Because no, because this will cause like, no gender 83 00:05:06,300 --> 00:05:07,680 social. Is it still down? 84 00:05:08,070 --> 00:05:10,770 Adam Curry: No, no, no, it was back up. But you know, so I 85 00:05:10,770 --> 00:05:15,090 started that Mastodon site running on Amazon EC two 86 00:05:15,090 --> 00:05:20,250 instance. And I ran it for two years and then it just became so 87 00:05:20,250 --> 00:05:22,710 unwieldly you know, the upgrades, all the stuff that's 88 00:05:22,710 --> 00:05:26,130 going on the pruning of the data, but I just couldn't handle 89 00:05:26,130 --> 00:05:29,910 it anymore. And then Matt Hamilton stood up and said, I'll 90 00:05:29,910 --> 00:05:32,820 do it. I'll do it and I'll take it in. I'll run it my basement 91 00:05:34,050 --> 00:05:38,040 with predictable results, like any server from time to time, 92 00:05:38,070 --> 00:05:42,060 shits the bed. Yeah, especially especially Mastodon, like just 93 00:05:42,060 --> 00:05:46,110 just about it's a centralized resource. 10,000 people have an 94 00:05:46,110 --> 00:05:50,130 account and Lord knows knows how much is federated through it. 95 00:05:50,790 --> 00:05:55,200 And just people can I mean, I won't say they always complained 96 00:05:55,200 --> 00:06:00,030 like verge down there. That's like, yeah, so what Okay, it'll 97 00:06:00,030 --> 00:06:02,760 come back up and yeah, but it would just when the when the 98 00:06:02,760 --> 00:06:04,530 show was going you needed it now. 99 00:06:05,850 --> 00:06:08,430 Dave Jones: I don't guess have ever told you my guess we've 100 00:06:08,430 --> 00:06:11,040 ever talked about my three pillars of helpdesk. 101 00:06:11,730 --> 00:06:14,640 Adam Curry: Oh, goodness, this sounds like some inside info 102 00:06:14,640 --> 00:06:15,330 that will do me. 103 00:06:17,010 --> 00:06:20,190 Dave Jones: Yeah, well, I mean, it's, it's, it's these are part 104 00:06:20,190 --> 00:06:25,020 of the it's part of a larger, you could call it there's a lot 105 00:06:25,020 --> 00:06:28,140 more here. I mean, so like what like one of us say these are 106 00:06:28,140 --> 00:06:32,820 like a bunch of rules of it, where it's kind of like Ron 107 00:06:32,820 --> 00:06:35,610 Swanson's pyramid of greatness. Maybe he has like a whole bunch 108 00:06:35,610 --> 00:06:39,870 of I got a whole bunch of these things, but you can wrap it, but 109 00:06:39,870 --> 00:06:43,200 it's specifically helpdesk you can rap. You can rap most. I've 110 00:06:43,200 --> 00:06:48,780 been doing helpdesk for 27 years. I started in 1990. End of 111 00:06:48,780 --> 00:06:53,910 96. Wow. So I mean, like that's it's been I've been hands on 112 00:06:53,910 --> 00:06:57,420 with end user support in some capacity. That was almost 30 113 00:06:57,420 --> 00:06:58,200 years Novell 114 00:06:58,199 --> 00:07:01,019 Adam Curry: networks. You were still using Novell. Yeah, yeah. 115 00:07:02,100 --> 00:07:06,210 Dave Jones: So So I mean, this is born out of a long, long 116 00:07:06,210 --> 00:07:10,920 experience. The three pillars of helpdesk are all software sucks, 117 00:07:10,920 --> 00:07:15,870 and is full of bugs. That's number one. Number two, users 118 00:07:15,870 --> 00:07:20,010 don't tell you the truth. Yep, total number three, nobody reads 119 00:07:20,010 --> 00:07:23,010 your emails. Those are the three pillars. 120 00:07:23,640 --> 00:07:26,850 Adam Curry: There's a fourth one. When in doubt, install 121 00:07:26,880 --> 00:07:28,320 Adobe Acrobat Reader. 122 00:07:32,790 --> 00:07:36,480 Dave Jones: Actually, if there's a fourth one, it's it's this if 123 00:07:36,840 --> 00:07:41,190 whatever is wrong, if you're on Wi Fi, that's at least 50% of 124 00:07:41,190 --> 00:07:42,510 the vote. That's definitely 125 00:07:43,230 --> 00:07:45,900 Adam Curry: DNS. And there's always a DNS as long as yes is 126 00:07:45,900 --> 00:07:46,590 always an issue. 127 00:07:47,490 --> 00:07:51,120 Dave Jones: But, but all but the, there's a reason that rule 128 00:07:51,120 --> 00:07:53,820 number one is all software sucks. And it's full of bugs. 129 00:07:53,820 --> 00:07:57,690 It's true, because it's true. Or SIS admin, there's nothing you 130 00:07:57,690 --> 00:08:00,690 can do about it, though, like I wasn't perfect case in point I 131 00:08:00,690 --> 00:08:06,240 was on I was doing an Amazon order this morning. And, and I 132 00:08:06,240 --> 00:08:09,570 went in there to add an address to because this was going to be 133 00:08:09,570 --> 00:08:12,660 dropped, shipped to somebody else. So I go in there to add an 134 00:08:12,660 --> 00:08:18,120 address. And in the address field for the street address, I 135 00:08:18,660 --> 00:08:23,340 it came up and it was it was pre populated with something. So I 136 00:08:23,370 --> 00:08:30,210 take my mouse a click in there, and I swipe the mouse cursor to 137 00:08:30,210 --> 00:08:33,480 the left in order to highlight the entire string so I can 138 00:08:33,480 --> 00:08:38,940 delete it. Oh, I do that when I swipe to the left, the address 139 00:08:38,940 --> 00:08:45,540 entry screen goes away. So I do it again. In a in a in a trust 140 00:08:45,540 --> 00:08:49,110 select at click drag to the left in the whole thing goes away 141 00:08:49,110 --> 00:08:53,310 again. And then it dawned on me. This is a mobile gesture bug in 142 00:08:53,310 --> 00:08:57,000 the desktop version of Amazon. They haven't fixed yet. This is 143 00:08:57,000 --> 00:09:00,030 on the move probably arguably the largest highest traffic site 144 00:09:00,030 --> 00:09:04,920 in the world commerce, e commerce and they still have a 145 00:09:04,920 --> 00:09:07,740 subtle gesture and mobile gesture bug in their input 146 00:09:07,740 --> 00:09:10,740 forms. Of course, it also sucks all of it 147 00:09:10,800 --> 00:09:15,540 Adam Curry: so I really wish everyone I guess another one is 148 00:09:16,350 --> 00:09:19,140 people users always have the caps lock on when they don't 149 00:09:19,140 --> 00:09:21,330 know their password or it's not working that's always that's 150 00:09:21,330 --> 00:09:28,590 always kind of like a given but what happens with in my 151 00:09:28,590 --> 00:09:31,770 household now of course I'm IT guy here you know that's that's 152 00:09:31,770 --> 00:09:38,670 cool. But I'm also I get passed through messages through Tina 153 00:09:38,970 --> 00:09:42,750 from her friends who she's onboarding onto podcasting 2.0 154 00:09:42,750 --> 00:09:47,460 apps and the message usually the message usually come through 155 00:09:47,460 --> 00:09:52,200 like this. This thing is so glitchy so glitchy. Well, what 156 00:09:52,200 --> 00:09:57,480 are you trying to do? No and here's actually an interesting 157 00:09:57,480 --> 00:10:03,750 one. That was like wow, really this When I use Siri in the car, 158 00:10:03,930 --> 00:10:11,130 the podcast stops playing. Well, yeah, of course it does. That's, 159 00:10:11,160 --> 00:10:14,550 that's the OS. That's not the app. And but then the next thing 160 00:10:14,550 --> 00:10:19,230 is then, after I've used theory, the volume controls don't work. 161 00:10:19,800 --> 00:10:22,080 You know, so it's stuff like this. And there's like, it's so 162 00:10:22,080 --> 00:10:24,750 glitchy. I'm going to I'm gonna go back to whatever you're 163 00:10:24,750 --> 00:10:27,480 feeling whatever I was using. And I was like, no, no, no, this 164 00:10:27,480 --> 00:10:31,170 is great. thank her. Thank you so much. And this is the other 165 00:10:31,170 --> 00:10:34,410 side of the equation. Thank you for identifying this bug. You 166 00:10:34,410 --> 00:10:37,650 know, while you're a bug Hunter, I need you here. I need you to 167 00:10:37,650 --> 00:10:40,890 do this. This is great. You're helping humanity. Yeah, 168 00:10:40,890 --> 00:10:43,320 continue, please continue to break things. Yeah, this is the 169 00:10:43,320 --> 00:10:47,580 other side of it. You know, sis admins and helpdesk have to also 170 00:10:47,580 --> 00:10:51,360 understand that you need to, to approach people with Wow, 171 00:10:51,360 --> 00:10:56,460 that's, I mean, that's amazing. There's a whole a whole 172 00:10:57,030 --> 00:11:01,350 department of quality assurance that did not find that Oh, my 173 00:11:01,350 --> 00:11:05,550 God, do you have a future job if you want one? So we have to kind 174 00:11:05,550 --> 00:11:09,180 of live with each other. We have to kind of do that. Anyway, back 175 00:11:09,180 --> 00:11:12,900 to the database upgrade. Congratulations, that was that 176 00:11:12,930 --> 00:11:13,680 worked. 177 00:11:14,580 --> 00:11:18,750 Dave Jones: In it's great. Like it's it has definitely helped 178 00:11:18,780 --> 00:11:24,990 like Millia like most certainly it has helped load aggregation 179 00:11:24,990 --> 00:11:29,700 times. So upgrading the database. Yeah, it was fun doing 180 00:11:29,700 --> 00:11:33,180 the live stream. That was great. And then I'm a little addicted 181 00:11:33,180 --> 00:11:34,530 to live stream coding now. 182 00:11:34,950 --> 00:11:37,710 Adam Curry: But I can understand it's all ego of course, but I 183 00:11:37,710 --> 00:11:38,250 can understand. 184 00:11:38,430 --> 00:11:39,630 Dave Jones: Oh, yeah, full is yes. 185 00:11:41,640 --> 00:11:42,990 Adam Curry: 100% Oh, no. 186 00:11:45,660 --> 00:11:48,780 Dave Jones: It is it is from A to Z ego. 187 00:11:49,680 --> 00:11:52,380 Adam Curry: I did this on Megyn. Kelly, I can't believe it. I 188 00:11:52,380 --> 00:11:53,730 threw out 100% 189 00:11:54,180 --> 00:11:56,970 Dave Jones: And I just my number you didn't you just did it. 190 00:11:57,480 --> 00:11:59,730 Adam Curry: And I went oh, I'm sorry. I retract that. She said 191 00:11:59,730 --> 00:12:03,120 what what happened? What happened? I said 100%. I'm 192 00:12:03,120 --> 00:12:05,700 trying to get away from that. Why? Because Kara Swisher says 193 00:12:05,700 --> 00:12:09,810 it. Is it you say that? Oh, yeah. threw her under the bus. 194 00:12:09,840 --> 00:12:11,700 No problem. No problem. 195 00:12:11,880 --> 00:12:15,390 Dave Jones: See my visa? Why Postgres SQL instead of Mongo? i 196 00:12:15,390 --> 00:12:17,790 If you talk about the main database, it's neither as MySQL. 197 00:12:18,960 --> 00:12:22,140 That's not Yeah, I guess it's weird. So you want 198 00:12:22,140 --> 00:12:24,540 Adam Curry: to give us Are there any details? I mean, do you want 199 00:12:24,540 --> 00:12:27,750 to just give us I mean, this is the central podcast index 200 00:12:27,750 --> 00:12:30,360 database, you know, we increased our costs, we increased 201 00:12:30,420 --> 00:12:35,430 increased our capacity, our I guess, our processing speed, or 202 00:12:35,430 --> 00:12:39,300 our data retrieval speed. I mean, tell give us a little a 203 00:12:39,300 --> 00:12:40,560 little breakdown here. 204 00:12:41,280 --> 00:12:44,850 Dave Jones: All of the above, it was most number one issue was 205 00:12:44,850 --> 00:12:50,610 disk space, we were at at 81% disk space usage. So that was 206 00:12:50,610 --> 00:12:53,700 going to have to change. The biggest the biggest issue was 207 00:12:53,700 --> 00:12:57,690 display. Second biggest issue was just processor, we needed 208 00:12:57,690 --> 00:13:00,570 more CPU, because we're just doing a lot more traffic. Right. 209 00:13:00,840 --> 00:13:04,950 And we had a I think people would be very surprised at this 210 00:13:05,010 --> 00:13:10,650 at the amount of horsepower, we get out of the size of database 211 00:13:10,650 --> 00:13:16,560 instance we were using. So we were that database had the old 212 00:13:16,560 --> 00:13:24,060 one had 16 gigs of RAM, six vCPUs in like three keep turning 213 00:13:24,060 --> 00:13:28,080 120 database reward when he 214 00:13:30,750 --> 00:13:33,180 Adam Curry: was 16 or what you had 16 Watts, what are those 215 00:13:34,080 --> 00:13:35,970 Dave Jones: 16 gigabytes of ram, 216 00:13:36,360 --> 00:13:37,230 Adam Curry: ram it baby. 217 00:13:39,360 --> 00:13:43,200 Dave Jones: So, I mean, if you look at h top, it was like, 218 00:13:43,230 --> 00:13:46,440 Adam Curry: Oh, I love your H top show me your H top. 219 00:13:46,919 --> 00:13:54,089 Dave Jones: I'm on h top. But if you look at it was like nut, all 220 00:13:54,089 --> 00:13:58,889 the all the CPU, all the cores are pegged at like 95 plus 221 00:13:58,889 --> 00:14:05,069 percent all the time, just pretty much constantly. Now 222 00:14:05,069 --> 00:14:11,309 everything now it's it's a 32 gig box with eight CPU cores. 223 00:14:11,849 --> 00:14:20,759 640 gigs of RAM, so we can fit, we can easily fit the entire 224 00:14:21,629 --> 00:14:30,149 podcasts table, feed table in RAM cast fully, we can fit most 225 00:14:30,179 --> 00:14:34,829 a lot of the joining tables in and that's helping a lot. So 226 00:14:34,829 --> 00:14:38,339 we're getting we're able to, since the the cache size is 227 00:14:38,339 --> 00:14:43,289 about 28 gigs. So that means you know, on the second request, 228 00:14:43,289 --> 00:14:47,639 it's pulling straight out of ram a lot of the time unless you do 229 00:14:47,639 --> 00:14:49,079 some sort of like full and 230 00:14:49,080 --> 00:14:50,700 Adam Curry: that's what makes it that's what makes everything 231 00:14:50,700 --> 00:14:54,540 always fast. Right? Pull it out of Ram Ram. Yep, 232 00:14:54,570 --> 00:14:58,350 Dave Jones: for sure. So like things like just things like 233 00:14:58,350 --> 00:15:02,610 very frequent lookups like in the In the dev API key table and 234 00:15:02,610 --> 00:15:04,920 stuff like that, I mean this stuff just be it's just smoke 235 00:15:04,920 --> 00:15:09,660 fast now. So, yeah, no, it's it was good. And so that led us. 236 00:15:09,780 --> 00:15:12,060 The other thing we needed was at the aggregators, there's, 237 00:15:12,090 --> 00:15:19,440 there's nine aggregators. And they all, they all grab batches 238 00:15:19,440 --> 00:15:25,680 of feeds at a time according to some sequel selectors. And to 239 00:15:25,680 --> 00:15:30,660 try to, like even everything out across, even the load out across 240 00:15:30,660 --> 00:15:34,710 all the aggregator fleet. So they, they grab batches of 241 00:15:34,710 --> 00:15:38,880 feeds. And then when they when they write back to the database, 242 00:15:38,940 --> 00:15:42,240 he would just get these like, occasionally get deadlocks, 243 00:15:42,240 --> 00:15:43,350 because Oh, no 244 00:15:43,500 --> 00:15:47,640 Adam Curry: deadlock, bad. Deadlock, deadlock bad. 245 00:15:48,570 --> 00:15:52,980 Dave Jones: So that got better after the upgrade. But then I 246 00:15:52,980 --> 00:15:56,580 sort of spent some time the day afterwards, going through and 247 00:15:57,420 --> 00:15:59,430 doing something I've been meaning to do for a while it's 248 00:16:00,630 --> 00:16:06,180 improved the aggregators, and they're more reliable now. So 249 00:16:08,310 --> 00:16:12,960 what I did was, I want everything to be as maximum 250 00:16:12,960 --> 00:16:18,270 utilization. So the way this works is that there's two 251 00:16:18,270 --> 00:16:24,900 there's nine aggregators, they each are they each take a batch 252 00:16:24,900 --> 00:16:31,890 of feeds, so like, aggregator one grabs, all the feeds that 253 00:16:31,890 --> 00:16:37,170 are marked as for immediate poll, immediate parse, between 254 00:16:37,470 --> 00:16:43,050 feed ID zero and a million aggregator two takes all of the 255 00:16:43,050 --> 00:16:44,280 immediate parse feeds 256 00:16:44,999 --> 00:16:47,369 Unknown: 1,000,002 million. Okay. Right. 257 00:16:47,490 --> 00:16:50,790 Dave Jones: So that that's the first selector criteria. So it 258 00:16:50,790 --> 00:16:54,090 takes those off the top can 259 00:16:54,090 --> 00:16:56,700 Adam Curry: ask you a question. Could you get a feel for these 260 00:16:56,700 --> 00:16:59,610 things, right? You say four of those aggregators, I guess that 261 00:16:59,610 --> 00:17:02,940 go up to the 4 million or 5 million? Do you notice that one 262 00:17:02,940 --> 00:17:05,010 of those is a little faster than the other? 263 00:17:06,540 --> 00:17:08,040 Dave Jones: One of them is a little fishy. 264 00:17:08,040 --> 00:17:10,620 Adam Curry: I knew it because you can feel that shit. Like you 265 00:17:10,620 --> 00:17:14,490 can't. Just faster just this faster, I know is cool. 266 00:17:14,970 --> 00:17:18,300 Dave Jones: Well, this is an interesting thing, too, for some 267 00:17:18,300 --> 00:17:23,580 reason, and I'm not sure exactly why don't have if it's got 268 00:17:23,580 --> 00:17:26,400 something to do it the way that we initially seated the database 269 00:17:26,400 --> 00:17:33,600 or whatever. But a lot of the frequently updated podcasts, the 270 00:17:33,600 --> 00:17:37,980 most frequently updated podcasts are in the zero to a million ID 271 00:17:37,980 --> 00:17:45,210 range. There's a lot a lot of those. So a lot of them have a 272 00:17:45,210 --> 00:17:49,500 six digit ID numbers, or five digit ID numbers, like, over 273 00:17:49,500 --> 00:17:53,310 like podcasts into 10920666. Is the is podcast index ID for that 274 00:17:53,310 --> 00:17:59,400 or 92066920666. Really, that's 275 00:17:59,430 --> 00:18:03,540 Adam Curry: we are 920666. Yeah, that doesn't feel good. 276 00:18:05,430 --> 00:18:07,470 Dave Jones: Can't change it was the devil's number. Yeah, 277 00:18:07,830 --> 00:18:08,610 Adam Curry: no kidding. 278 00:18:09,360 --> 00:18:13,200 Dave Jones: No agenda is 41 504. So there's a lot of these low 279 00:18:13,200 --> 00:18:18,600 numbers that I don't know, they just ended up in that range. So 280 00:18:18,810 --> 00:18:22,050 Mr. Spitz are not now unfortunately, wanting to like, 281 00:18:22,620 --> 00:18:23,640 like some special cool 282 00:18:23,640 --> 00:18:24,420 Adam Curry: code, man. 283 00:18:24,449 --> 00:18:28,949 Dave Jones: Yeah. But okay, so you have, that's, that's what 284 00:18:28,949 --> 00:18:33,209 each aggregator does initially, but then that may only be at any 285 00:18:33,209 --> 00:18:36,449 given time, that may only be like, I don't know, 10 feeds, 286 00:18:36,719 --> 00:18:42,269 right there that are marked for immediate polling. So it fills 287 00:18:42,269 --> 00:18:49,289 in the rest of, of its batch. With, with other with feeds that 288 00:18:49,289 --> 00:18:54,569 have not based on a priority system, it's there's a priority 289 00:18:54,569 --> 00:18:59,729 number in their, in his it's descending of priority. Plus, 290 00:19:00,029 --> 00:19:04,079 sorted by how old how long. It's been since the feed was last 291 00:19:04,079 --> 00:19:05,699 checked. So 292 00:19:06,450 --> 00:19:08,940 Adam Curry: do you have a whole this is called an algorithm also 293 00:19:08,940 --> 00:19:13,770 sometimes called artificial intelligence? is fully AI? Yeah, 294 00:19:13,770 --> 00:19:17,310 we need to put that podcast index.org. Now with AI? 295 00:19:17,580 --> 00:19:20,070 Dave Jones: Yeah, we can claim that we can get r&d research 296 00:19:20,070 --> 00:19:21,360 credit tax credit. Now your 297 00:19:21,360 --> 00:19:23,760 Adam Curry: talk, you know what this whole thing is r&d research 298 00:19:23,760 --> 00:19:24,210 credit. 299 00:19:24,750 --> 00:19:26,640 Dave Jones: Oh, yeah, that, you know, we need to apply for that. 300 00:19:26,670 --> 00:19:27,630 But we'd have to I think 301 00:19:27,630 --> 00:19:30,750 Adam Curry: we have to pay ourselves first in order to it's 302 00:19:30,750 --> 00:19:31,860 only for people I think 303 00:19:32,040 --> 00:19:34,920 Dave Jones: it's only for payroll, right. We don't have we 304 00:19:34,920 --> 00:19:41,160 don't have payroll wouldn't work. So, yeah, so it feels it 305 00:19:41,160 --> 00:19:44,280 feels in that so what I wanted to do was make sure that it's 306 00:19:44,280 --> 00:19:49,980 getting as many feeds as it possibly can at every poll. So I 307 00:19:49,980 --> 00:19:51,840 have it start what's called 308 00:19:51,840 --> 00:19:53,160 Adam Curry: maximizing the pool. 309 00:19:53,939 --> 00:20:00,089 Dave Jones: Yes, maximizing the pool Showtime. It starts at In 310 00:20:00,119 --> 00:20:06,089 1000, feeds, it pulls us out. So this would be each aggregator 311 00:20:06,089 --> 00:20:13,289 does this, it starts at 1000. And then at a at a time, pulls 312 00:20:13,289 --> 00:20:18,989 that in if it if it will pull the feeds, and then we're using 313 00:20:18,989 --> 00:20:23,369 aggravator, which is the rust polar, then it passes that batch 314 00:20:23,369 --> 00:20:31,379 of feeds to party time, which is the JavaScript parser. If party 315 00:20:31,379 --> 00:20:37,289 time crashes, we know that there was, too it pulled too much data 316 00:20:37,289 --> 00:20:41,249 and it ran node out of memory. So basically, it drops a touch 317 00:20:41,249 --> 00:20:45,029 file before it starts, passes it to node. If that touch file is 318 00:20:45,029 --> 00:20:48,749 still there, after it completes, it knows that it knows crash. 319 00:20:48,749 --> 00:20:52,169 It's hung. Right? Yeah, it just get quit it crashed it core 320 00:20:52,169 --> 00:20:59,249 dumped. Yeah. So it backs off in increments of 100 feeds. And 321 00:20:59,249 --> 00:21:02,339 until it finds that it doesn't crash. 322 00:21:02,340 --> 00:21:04,470 Adam Curry: There's a very intricate algorithm you've 323 00:21:04,470 --> 00:21:05,370 created here. 324 00:21:06,750 --> 00:21:08,970 Dave Jones: Yeah. Being complicated, 325 00:21:09,000 --> 00:21:10,440 Adam Curry: there's a lot of this freedom controller 326 00:21:10,440 --> 00:21:11,070 knowledge. 327 00:21:11,760 --> 00:21:13,530 Dave Jones: No, this is just stuff that we've learned since 328 00:21:13,530 --> 00:21:17,520 the index. Okay. You will the freedom trailer never had this 329 00:21:17,520 --> 00:21:20,730 many feats to deal with, right? True. You just never had this 330 00:21:20,730 --> 00:21:23,250 kind of problem you're talking about, like the average from 331 00:21:23,250 --> 00:21:25,860 Costa Rica was like 6000 feet, you know, it's not a big deal. 332 00:21:26,400 --> 00:21:31,500 But so it finds it finds a point where it doesn't crash. And then 333 00:21:31,500 --> 00:21:38,190 just in then stays there. And if it stays there for 48 hours, it 334 00:21:38,190 --> 00:21:41,430 tries to move up a little bit more. If it crashes, again, it's 335 00:21:41,460 --> 00:21:46,080 it goes back down. So it'll periodically try to raise its 336 00:21:46,110 --> 00:21:49,080 feed pole level. If it can. 337 00:21:49,110 --> 00:21:51,570 Adam Curry: Now this was maybe crazy 48 hours, maybe a crazy 338 00:21:51,570 --> 00:21:54,420 question. But when it dumps core, I mean, does that mean 339 00:21:54,420 --> 00:21:56,820 something fundamentally is wrong? Or is that just an out of 340 00:21:56,820 --> 00:21:58,140 memory issue? 341 00:21:58,770 --> 00:22:00,870 Dave Jones: It it runs or shooting code 342 00:22:00,870 --> 00:22:03,960 Adam Curry: isn't just shitty code. This is my code 343 00:22:03,960 --> 00:22:07,650 Dave Jones: as well remember rule number one also for stocks 344 00:22:07,650 --> 00:22:14,820 and even even years, you know. So the, the issue here is that, 345 00:22:15,690 --> 00:22:20,730 like aggravator, you can throw, you could throw 100,000 feeds at 346 00:22:20,730 --> 00:22:24,570 it, and it will take about 30 minutes to download them all. 347 00:22:25,230 --> 00:22:29,610 But it will do it. Yeah. And it will never use more than 200 348 00:22:29,610 --> 00:22:32,910 Meg's RAM at the most. That's just it's just super efficient 349 00:22:32,910 --> 00:22:37,260 that way. Once you pass the feed X and mail over to party Tom, 350 00:22:38,160 --> 00:22:42,360 JavaScript has, I mean, you you have limits there because now 351 00:22:42,360 --> 00:22:47,070 you're dealing with XML, you're passing potentially 11 to 20 352 00:22:47,070 --> 00:22:52,260 megabytes of XML per feed sometimes crazy. And so you can 353 00:22:52,290 --> 00:22:56,130 easily end up with if you pull too many feeds at once. That's 354 00:22:56,939 --> 00:22:59,339 Adam Curry: with gigabytes and gigabytes of stuff. Yeah, yeah, 355 00:22:59,339 --> 00:22:59,669 you could 356 00:22:59,670 --> 00:23:03,120 Dave Jones: hand party time, five gigs of XML data to deal 357 00:23:03,120 --> 00:23:08,280 with and he can't fit it in memory. So it basically so that 358 00:23:08,310 --> 00:23:13,980 it does it, it just self adjust as it goes until it finds each 359 00:23:14,010 --> 00:23:17,190 until it finds the happy place for each aggregator. And some 360 00:23:17,190 --> 00:23:21,600 aggregators are running right now. It 250 to 300 feeds, some 361 00:23:21,600 --> 00:23:25,050 are averaging 150 feeds per poll. And it's just it just 362 00:23:25,050 --> 00:23:28,830 happens to be whatever mix that they're comfortable with. But 363 00:23:28,830 --> 00:23:32,280 each one is maximized. I mean, like they're they're almost you 364 00:23:32,280 --> 00:23:33,900 know, they're going full bore all the time. 365 00:23:33,959 --> 00:23:36,089 Adam Curry: I love this new metric FPP. 366 00:23:36,989 --> 00:23:42,419 Dave Jones: What is FPP? Fees? Proposal? Fee? proposal is where 367 00:23:42,840 --> 00:23:45,870 Adam Curry: we use predominant, we use pedometer on the on the 368 00:23:45,870 --> 00:23:50,910 index homepage. fees per pole. Yeah, fees per pole, how many 369 00:23:50,910 --> 00:23:52,260 FPP? We run them? Brah. 370 00:23:52,830 --> 00:23:54,750 Dave Jones: Let's see what is that? Let's see this about I 371 00:23:54,750 --> 00:24:01,740 think we're averaging about 200. So that's so we're right, we're 372 00:24:01,740 --> 00:24:07,410 probably about 2000 feeds per per minute. Wow. Yeah, per 373 00:24:07,410 --> 00:24:10,260 minute. And that's prioritized for you know, those different 374 00:24:10,260 --> 00:24:11,400 factors that I was talking about. 375 00:24:11,580 --> 00:24:15,060 Adam Curry: And so when I hit pod ping, do I move to the top 376 00:24:15,060 --> 00:24:17,550 of some stack? Do I have preference when I use when I hit 377 00:24:17,550 --> 00:24:21,930 pod ping? Or does it do I have to wait in some queue? Well, I 378 00:24:21,930 --> 00:24:24,360 Dave Jones: mean, everything's got to be everything. He does 379 00:24:24,360 --> 00:24:29,610 get queued. I mean, it has to Yeah, but the first thing, the 380 00:24:29,610 --> 00:24:32,790 first thing that all the aggregators do is try to pull 381 00:24:34,260 --> 00:24:40,350 immediately parse feeds that have been pod paint. Because the 382 00:24:40,350 --> 00:24:45,330 pod ping and the pod ping notices and the web sub 383 00:24:45,330 --> 00:24:48,840 notifications all that stuff goes into one batch. So it pulls 384 00:24:48,840 --> 00:24:52,830 all that and what and we automatically recheck value for 385 00:24:52,830 --> 00:24:55,110 value enabled feeds every 30 minutes anyway. 386 00:24:55,140 --> 00:25:00,000 Adam Curry: Oh, very cool. Oh, it's so there's almost 15,000 387 00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:01,830 feeds that get prioritized. 388 00:25:02,370 --> 00:25:05,340 Dave Jones: Yeah. So those those get run through every 30 minutes 389 00:25:05,340 --> 00:25:09,540 regardless of whether they it's not a real burden because we're 390 00:25:09,540 --> 00:25:14,550 doing what do you call it? Like an E tag? And yeah, to 391 00:25:14,550 --> 00:25:16,470 Adam Curry: make sure it's a 500 check, and yeah, make sure it's 392 00:25:16,470 --> 00:25:18,540 updated. Otherwise you don't you don't pull it in. 393 00:25:18,840 --> 00:25:20,640 Dave Jones: Yeah. So we, I mean, it's just a quick check, and we 394 00:25:20,640 --> 00:25:23,580 get three or four and it's just it's not, it doesn't cost us 395 00:25:23,580 --> 00:25:27,300 anything to do that. Wow. Yeah, no, it's working. That's 396 00:25:27,300 --> 00:25:30,240 Adam Curry: so cool, man. Um, thank you on behalf of the 397 00:25:30,240 --> 00:25:33,960 entire board of podcasting 2.0 Thank you for your courage. 398 00:25:33,960 --> 00:25:37,860 Thank you for the work you're doing. It's it's appreciated. 399 00:25:37,860 --> 00:25:42,510 And it's it's mystifying. It's overwhelming. And it's also just 400 00:25:42,510 --> 00:25:46,200 baffling is like, and it's impressive. It's impressive. And 401 00:25:46,200 --> 00:25:49,530 you have a full time job. I want to point out, I mean, does your 402 00:25:49,530 --> 00:25:51,660 family still live with you? Do you know if they're still 403 00:25:51,660 --> 00:25:59,160 around? Yes. They went away for two years and came back and 404 00:25:59,160 --> 00:25:59,970 didn't even realize 405 00:26:01,350 --> 00:26:05,130 Dave Jones: I got they went out. My wife and daughter went out of 406 00:26:05,130 --> 00:26:09,180 town. And that's what I guess. Oh. 407 00:26:10,590 --> 00:26:12,900 Adam Curry: I was like, Wow, man day spending his whole weekend 408 00:26:12,900 --> 00:26:15,930 doing this. Okay, now I got it. Did you actually feed the cat or 409 00:26:15,930 --> 00:26:18,030 they just left a cat on the desk the whole weekend? 410 00:26:18,240 --> 00:26:22,710 Dave Jones: No, it'd be fun. Wow, water is all they need. 411 00:26:22,739 --> 00:26:26,129 Adam Curry: Wow. Well, breaking news. Just change topic here for 412 00:26:26,129 --> 00:26:29,489 a second. As the podcast industrial complex continues to 413 00:26:29,489 --> 00:26:35,879 crumble. Spotify is racist. Let's get that Oh boy. Oh, yeah, 414 00:26:36,269 --> 00:26:40,829 they do this. Spurlock posted a Bloomberg article, which he also 415 00:26:40,829 --> 00:26:45,059 gave me. So that Yeah, yeah, Jamel Hill to leave Spotify and 416 00:26:45,059 --> 00:26:49,529 shut down her podcast network, at least on Spotify. And this 417 00:26:49,529 --> 00:26:53,249 was a big deal. They brought her in and let her start her own 418 00:26:53,339 --> 00:26:58,409 podcast network for black podcasters. And it's, you know, 419 00:26:58,409 --> 00:27:03,149 it's a here's how Bloomberg reads another another prominent 420 00:27:03,149 --> 00:27:07,049 podcasters leaving Spotify as the company reverses many of its 421 00:27:07,049 --> 00:27:10,469 biggest investments in original audio and loses yet another 422 00:27:10,499 --> 00:27:11,519 black voice 423 00:27:12,270 --> 00:27:13,830 Dave Jones: yet and who was the other one? 424 00:27:15,450 --> 00:27:21,120 Adam Curry: The other one was the button go doo doo Vernay. 425 00:27:22,080 --> 00:27:23,100 Dave Jones: I don't know that is 426 00:27:24,750 --> 00:27:28,020 Adam Curry: shift du Vernay if the if the articles as this 427 00:27:29,700 --> 00:27:35,280 filmmaker. Okay, so what happened? This is all Dawn 428 00:27:35,280 --> 00:27:38,520 Ostroff legacy, spending more than a billion dollars to 429 00:27:38,520 --> 00:27:42,540 acquire studios and exclusive licenses. And she's signed to 430 00:27:42,540 --> 00:27:45,840 much fanfare several black celebrities to exclusive deals 431 00:27:45,840 --> 00:27:48,420 including the Obamas of course high their production company 432 00:27:48,420 --> 00:27:53,670 Higher Ground filmmaker Ava DuVernay and rapper Joe Budden. 433 00:27:54,360 --> 00:28:00,660 And du Vernay, she left, you know, when, when Joe Rogan was 434 00:28:02,070 --> 00:28:06,330 when they when she when they created the super clip of Joe 435 00:28:06,330 --> 00:28:07,740 Rogan using the N word. 436 00:28:08,460 --> 00:28:10,950 Dave Jones: Oh, I didn't really okay, so that was that. Alright. 437 00:28:11,940 --> 00:28:13,890 Adam Curry: So she just left because they wouldn't do 438 00:28:13,890 --> 00:28:17,130 anything. But I think the really scandalous thing. And this, you 439 00:28:17,130 --> 00:28:19,560 know, these are Swedes, so they don't, they're probably not as 440 00:28:19,560 --> 00:28:23,070 sensitive as they should be to how Kancil culture works in 441 00:28:23,070 --> 00:28:32,130 America. When all this happened, then Jamel Hill, then she's 442 00:28:32,160 --> 00:28:34,800 she's famous, you know, she was ESPN. And then she got fired 443 00:28:34,800 --> 00:28:36,780 from ESPN for being just insane. 444 00:28:37,710 --> 00:28:40,260 Dave Jones: She said she had reason to fire somebody. 445 00:28:41,040 --> 00:28:43,320 Adam Curry: So she issued a statement saying, you know, we 446 00:28:43,320 --> 00:28:48,300 need to have Spotify paying $100 million to a black person, which 447 00:28:48,300 --> 00:28:51,240 at the time was was what Rogan's deal was reported to be, 448 00:28:51,240 --> 00:28:54,900 although, of course, we know that probably much more. And so 449 00:28:54,900 --> 00:28:58,170 what they did is they eventually created the Creator Equity Fund, 450 00:28:58,710 --> 00:29:02,340 which will be $100 million. And they pretty much didn't spend 451 00:29:02,340 --> 00:29:03,780 any of that as far as I know. 452 00:29:05,400 --> 00:29:08,460 Dave Jones: Yet another example of Spotify, announcing something 453 00:29:08,460 --> 00:29:09,540 but never actually doing 454 00:29:09,570 --> 00:29:12,600 Adam Curry: exactly. So I don't know what she's going to do 455 00:29:12,600 --> 00:29:15,540 where she but I think in general, the problem is Spotify 456 00:29:15,540 --> 00:29:17,100 can't afford to do this anymore. 457 00:29:18,120 --> 00:29:19,890 Dave Jones: I don't think anybody can afford to do this 458 00:29:19,890 --> 00:29:22,500 anymore. Based on the news from the past week with all the 459 00:29:22,500 --> 00:29:26,850 women's podcast conferences are not getting funding all all all. 460 00:29:27,120 --> 00:29:31,560 All of the identity groups within podcasting. Have you 461 00:29:31,620 --> 00:29:34,890 funded during the good times? Yep, all the money is going 462 00:29:34,890 --> 00:29:41,760 away. And you see the the people who who like virtue signaling 463 00:29:41,790 --> 00:29:46,020 they were on board with the with these groups, they're all just 464 00:29:46,020 --> 00:29:48,960 yanking it back and all taking they're taking the money back 465 00:29:48,960 --> 00:29:49,110 and 466 00:29:49,140 --> 00:29:52,050 Adam Curry: I think the the conferences really, I think as 467 00:29:52,050 --> 00:29:54,270 far as I understand that business really need the 468 00:29:54,270 --> 00:29:58,740 sponsors. And I don't think that she conference got any sponsors 469 00:29:58,920 --> 00:30:02,700 that I wish They just said we didn't have enough people to 470 00:30:02,700 --> 00:30:06,990 attend. Now to make it work that, because it's very sad 471 00:30:06,990 --> 00:30:12,090 story. But you know, the conference business is not easy. 472 00:30:12,750 --> 00:30:13,140 It's not 473 00:30:13,140 --> 00:30:15,840 Dave Jones: an easy thing to do. You have to like, if I 474 00:30:15,840 --> 00:30:20,190 understand it correctly, you have to, like pre, like pre 475 00:30:20,190 --> 00:30:24,390 agree or maybe even pre pay in advance for like concession. 476 00:30:24,390 --> 00:30:24,630 Yeah, all 477 00:30:24,630 --> 00:30:26,910 Adam Curry: kinds of stuff. You gotta you gotta you gotta 478 00:30:26,910 --> 00:30:27,660 reserve stuff. 479 00:30:27,690 --> 00:30:29,760 Dave Jones: Yeah, it's I was the only thing I did didn't 480 00:30:29,760 --> 00:30:34,470 understand about that story was, like, where it said, one of the 481 00:30:34,470 --> 00:30:37,650 ladies involved said that she had taken out a $50,000 loan 482 00:30:37,650 --> 00:30:43,470 personally. Covers. And I was like, but which is fine, but I 483 00:30:43,470 --> 00:30:46,200 don't know, what would you be getting a loan against? What's 484 00:30:46,200 --> 00:30:47,070 the collateral? 485 00:30:48,960 --> 00:30:51,810 Adam Curry: You can get, you can get money, you know, got a crazy 486 00:30:51,810 --> 00:30:54,030 range or whatever. I mean, there's all kinds of ways to do 487 00:30:54,030 --> 00:30:54,330 that. 488 00:30:54,780 --> 00:30:56,490 Dave Jones: mean, like, I'm just saying, Oh, she didn't put her 489 00:30:56,490 --> 00:30:57,030 house up. 490 00:30:57,240 --> 00:31:01,650 Adam Curry: No, that's horrible. But this is, this is what was 491 00:31:01,650 --> 00:31:05,130 expected to happen once the free money train was over. We 492 00:31:05,130 --> 00:31:08,640 predicted this quite, quite clearly. But there's other 493 00:31:08,640 --> 00:31:14,250 stuff. It's very interesting to hear how there's a lot of 494 00:31:14,250 --> 00:31:17,760 pushback now. And as people realize, YouTube is a bad actor. 495 00:31:17,790 --> 00:31:24,630 Oh, no. What, who expected that? You know, everyone's everyone 496 00:31:24,630 --> 00:31:28,020 got so excited about Facebook. And, you know, and all these 497 00:31:28,020 --> 00:31:31,470 companies promising stuff, and they never come through. But 498 00:31:31,470 --> 00:31:36,090 YouTube, which is a Google property is is is of particular 499 00:31:36,090 --> 00:31:41,940 interest, because they have a history of ruining RSS projects. 500 00:31:42,840 --> 00:31:46,230 Specifically reader, you know, that that really just crashed 501 00:31:46,230 --> 00:31:51,570 and entire, an entire software category, you know, there were 502 00:31:51,570 --> 00:31:55,380 there were lots of if you didn't use a an independent, 503 00:31:55,380 --> 00:31:59,400 independent application, you could use Google Reader on 504 00:31:59,400 --> 00:32:02,130 Google. And they just shut it down with some bullcrap thing, 505 00:32:02,130 --> 00:32:04,410 oh, people aren't using it. And they started their social 506 00:32:04,410 --> 00:32:08,040 network, because they really couldn't control it. And, you 507 00:32:08,040 --> 00:32:10,830 know, now that I'm hearing that at least one I'm hearing from a 508 00:32:10,830 --> 00:32:14,310 good source, at least one hosting company will be 509 00:32:15,120 --> 00:32:20,550 cooperating with YouTube. You know, I have to I have to just 510 00:32:20,550 --> 00:32:26,070 say, again, this is a very bad idea. You are putting the entire 511 00:32:26,100 --> 00:32:31,530 podcast infrastructure at risk, because it's always a race to 512 00:32:31,530 --> 00:32:35,400 the bottom in the hosting business. You know, and by that, 513 00:32:35,400 --> 00:32:40,770 I mean, everyone's doing dai inserting ads. So I think that 514 00:32:40,770 --> 00:32:45,180 the the CPM, and the actual value of that is that's just 515 00:32:45,180 --> 00:32:49,110 going straight down. It always does is how it works. supplies a 516 00:32:49,110 --> 00:32:54,300 man. Yeah, race to the bottom. But you know, when I get right 517 00:32:54,300 --> 00:32:59,100 now, AI is the hot thing I was talking about ai, ai and 518 00:32:59,100 --> 00:33:03,090 Buzzsprout has implemented AI. And that's fine. I think the 519 00:33:03,090 --> 00:33:06,810 more I look at artificial intelligence, compared to the 520 00:33:06,810 --> 00:33:10,650 hype of blockchain, which lasted for a good five, six years 521 00:33:10,650 --> 00:33:16,770 there. In general, AI is good for the economy, because 522 00:33:16,800 --> 00:33:19,770 everyone hypes it up, and you all got to have it and everyone 523 00:33:19,770 --> 00:33:22,440 starts sticking it into their company name and, you know, 524 00:33:22,440 --> 00:33:25,590 money flows, and people start using it and there's excitement 525 00:33:25,590 --> 00:33:29,730 but the AI winter is coming. But you know, what happens is one 526 00:33:29,730 --> 00:33:33,030 company does it then everybody I've just listened to pod news 527 00:33:33,060 --> 00:33:36,690 weekly review. So are you guys doing AI? Yeah. Are you guys 528 00:33:36,690 --> 00:33:42,060 gonna do YouTube yet? We're gonna do Don't, don't. We have 529 00:33:42,060 --> 00:33:47,790 such a Can't we cannot compete with Google's ad insertion, but 530 00:33:47,790 --> 00:33:51,990 we certainly can not help them out. And we and we do have other 531 00:33:52,230 --> 00:33:55,920 really cool things that we cannot, you know, okay, so we're 532 00:33:56,040 --> 00:33:59,070 finally kind of everyone getting transcripts going in and 533 00:33:59,070 --> 00:34:04,680 chapters, we have value for value, which is completely 534 00:34:04,680 --> 00:34:10,590 different from the advertising game. build this out and promote 535 00:34:10,590 --> 00:34:14,910 that more. And I just don't think that people who are either 536 00:34:14,910 --> 00:34:19,770 podcasting now or starting a podcast are all like, oh, I need 537 00:34:19,770 --> 00:34:22,680 to have artificial intelligence, do my show notes. I just don't 538 00:34:22,680 --> 00:34:25,560 believe it. It's a marketing thing. It's used for new 539 00:34:25,560 --> 00:34:32,220 customers as far it just that's my, my, my experience, guess 540 00:34:32,880 --> 00:34:36,600 Dave Jones: what? So you know, in the tax industry, which is my 541 00:34:36,630 --> 00:34:44,820 day job, the we've been through this cycle, many many times. And 542 00:34:44,850 --> 00:34:52,500 we if you go back to 2017 2019. There in you go to a tax 543 00:34:52,500 --> 00:34:55,680 conference, tax software conference or something like 544 00:34:55,680 --> 00:34:59,670 that. You're going, you would have heard, and I did there you 545 00:34:59,670 --> 00:35:04,860 would have heard heard keynote. He keynote talk after keynote 546 00:35:04,860 --> 00:35:08,190 talk after breakout session after breakout session about 547 00:35:08,190 --> 00:35:14,550 blockchain and machine learning and AI. This was six Dino This 548 00:35:14,550 --> 00:35:16,650 was 678 years ago. 549 00:35:16,710 --> 00:35:19,140 Adam Curry: That's the future man. Forget about Bitcoin. The 550 00:35:19,140 --> 00:35:22,440 technology of blockchain is very interesting. It's the future. 551 00:35:22,800 --> 00:35:24,600 Dave Jones: Yeah. And voice and voice assistants. 552 00:35:25,950 --> 00:35:27,780 Adam Curry: Voice assistants. Yeah. All right. 553 00:35:27,810 --> 00:35:30,030 Dave Jones: There's, there's this great article from about 554 00:35:30,030 --> 00:35:33,570 five years ago that was written in, in an industry magazine that 555 00:35:33,570 --> 00:35:36,330 was like, the, you know, the typical tax professional. 556 00:35:36,570 --> 00:35:39,180 Here's, here's what life is gonna look like 10 years from 557 00:35:39,180 --> 00:35:44,220 now. Yeah, the tech, you know, your tax professional. Jane, she 558 00:35:44,220 --> 00:35:46,890 wakes up in the morning, and she immediately asks her voice 559 00:35:46,890 --> 00:35:50,430 assistant, hey, voice assistant, what what do I have on my 560 00:35:50,430 --> 00:35:54,510 calendar today? In the voice assistant says, Oh, Hello, good 561 00:35:54,510 --> 00:35:58,020 morning, Jane. You have three appointments today, one with you 562 00:35:58,020 --> 00:36:00,960 know, this client and this client and this client? And she 563 00:36:00,960 --> 00:36:05,760 says, Oh, what, what is the first one about is, oh, this 564 00:36:05,760 --> 00:36:08,550 client wants to talk to you wants to talk to you about their 565 00:36:08,550 --> 00:36:12,870 new business strategy that they're contemplating. And Jane 566 00:36:12,870 --> 00:36:17,010 replies to the voice assistant. Oh, can you run? Can you run an 567 00:36:17,010 --> 00:36:21,150 analysis of what this type of tax situation looks like in the 568 00:36:21,150 --> 00:36:21,810 state of New York? 569 00:36:25,020 --> 00:36:27,180 Adam Curry: Star Trek Star Trek shit. Yeah. 570 00:36:27,390 --> 00:36:30,900 Dave Jones: It is bullcrap. It's so she like. But this, this 571 00:36:30,900 --> 00:36:35,190 whole article was about doom and gloom, like a the tax industry 572 00:36:35,190 --> 00:36:39,630 is going to be destroyed by this new technology. And we've been 573 00:36:39,630 --> 00:36:43,620 through this many, many times before. And this is just the 574 00:36:43,920 --> 00:36:49,050 like, this is the the reality of all of these things is way more 575 00:36:49,050 --> 00:36:54,720 mundane than all of that, like you will win it fine. In I wrote 576 00:36:54,720 --> 00:36:59,310 an article for an industry trade magazine back in 2019, about 577 00:36:59,310 --> 00:37:05,400 this very subject, that the the reality of the way that things 578 00:37:05,400 --> 00:37:09,630 like this new technologies come into widespread use within 579 00:37:09,630 --> 00:37:15,390 industry, is they come in through by being baked into the 580 00:37:15,390 --> 00:37:19,230 tools you already use. And so I think bus Brad is a great 581 00:37:19,230 --> 00:37:24,690 example. So they're their tool, lets you automatically generate 582 00:37:24,690 --> 00:37:27,360 chapter markers. That's one of the things that does, hey, 583 00:37:27,390 --> 00:37:30,750 that's a great idea. Because now people who didn't want to take 584 00:37:30,750 --> 00:37:33,090 the take the extra time to create chapters, now they get 585 00:37:33,090 --> 00:37:36,120 it, they essentially get it. I know it costs but they get it 586 00:37:36,120 --> 00:37:40,710 quote unquote, for free. So podcasting 2.0 gets more 587 00:37:40,710 --> 00:37:44,070 feature, you know, they this is a new podcasting 2.0 enabled 588 00:37:44,430 --> 00:37:46,890 podcast that wouldn't have before because the person didn't 589 00:37:46,890 --> 00:37:47,280 want to bother. 590 00:37:47,310 --> 00:37:50,040 Adam Curry: I do want to point out that hyper capture has had 591 00:37:50,040 --> 00:37:53,340 this capability to create chapters automatically for I 592 00:37:53,340 --> 00:37:54,480 don't know, two years. 593 00:37:55,050 --> 00:37:57,660 Dave Jones: Probably based off the transcript. Yes, of course. 594 00:37:57,660 --> 00:37:58,230 Yeah, of course, 595 00:37:58,230 --> 00:38:01,470 Adam Curry: you know, so, but you know, you call it AI and 596 00:38:01,470 --> 00:38:04,560 it's cool. That's fine. That's fine. 597 00:38:04,860 --> 00:38:07,350 Dave Jones: That's that's the way that large language model 598 00:38:07,350 --> 00:38:12,660 technology will make its way into now everyday use and it's 599 00:38:12,660 --> 00:38:15,300 in it's it's mundane stuff like that. I mean, it's stuff that 600 00:38:15,300 --> 00:38:18,900 just is a slight tweak to your already existing process. But 601 00:38:18,900 --> 00:38:23,220 Adam Curry: I I just have to point out again, I love dred 602 00:38:23,220 --> 00:38:27,000 Scott's choices. I love dred Scott's choice of imagery. I 603 00:38:27,000 --> 00:38:32,760 love, love what he does. He's talent. It's pure human talent, 604 00:38:32,760 --> 00:38:36,240 like, Oh, this is a great chapter based upon factors that 605 00:38:36,420 --> 00:38:43,260 AI can't even fathom right now. Can't even take into account. 606 00:38:45,180 --> 00:38:48,930 Dave Jones: The AI thing is such in again, we had a conversation 607 00:38:49,230 --> 00:38:53,550 at the office about this very thing this morning. The AI thing 608 00:38:53,760 --> 00:39:01,050 is just such a tech industry. Like, miss, they are perfect. 609 00:39:01,050 --> 00:39:05,400 They're intentionally Miss communicating what this thing is 610 00:39:05,430 --> 00:39:08,310 Adam Curry: agreed. And it's all for money. It's all to get money 611 00:39:08,310 --> 00:39:08,850 rolling. 612 00:39:10,320 --> 00:39:12,300 Dave Jones: I got a I've got a couple of clips. 613 00:39:12,390 --> 00:39:15,930 Adam Curry: Oh, we haven't had a clip in a while from you, Mr. 614 00:39:15,930 --> 00:39:16,680 Jones, 615 00:39:16,890 --> 00:39:23,880 Dave Jones: one of which is Paul throt. Explaining what and I 616 00:39:23,880 --> 00:39:26,850 would I would say that Microsoft is probably the biggest culprit 617 00:39:26,850 --> 00:39:27,840 and all this bull crap. 618 00:39:28,410 --> 00:39:31,260 Adam Curry: While it's running on a lot of their Azure servers 619 00:39:31,260 --> 00:39:34,680 this is this week in Windows or this week in Microsoft or is 620 00:39:34,680 --> 00:39:37,260 that what this is from Windows weekly, Windows weekly. 621 00:39:39,060 --> 00:39:43,920 Dave Jones: So he is explaining here. In clip one, he's 622 00:39:43,920 --> 00:39:47,340 explaining what what this really is all about is the stock price. 623 00:39:47,730 --> 00:39:51,780 Unknown: We've had this discussion in the past about I 624 00:39:51,960 --> 00:39:55,440 kind of evolved over time, but I believe that AI came out of 625 00:39:55,440 --> 00:39:58,620 Microsoft at this point in time, specifically because of the 626 00:39:58,650 --> 00:40:02,220 market cap and the stock price. And they're a bit they needed 627 00:40:02,220 --> 00:40:06,600 something to goose that because, you know, as your revenue growth 628 00:40:06,600 --> 00:40:12,450 was 70 7070 6040 27% last quarter, and they were they 629 00:40:12,480 --> 00:40:14,790 weren't they didn't want was Wall Street to suddenly react 630 00:40:14,790 --> 00:40:17,850 and say, Oh my God, what's going on with this company, they used 631 00:40:17,850 --> 00:40:20,610 to be on the leading edge. And now they're Oldsmobile again. 632 00:40:20,610 --> 00:40:23,040 And so I think AI puts them back up with a perception. 633 00:40:24,000 --> 00:40:24,690 Absolutely. 634 00:40:24,989 --> 00:40:26,759 Adam Curry: Oh, man, I'm telling I'm using that clip for no 635 00:40:26,759 --> 00:40:30,989 agenda, thank you. Good, clear, totally accept, and they were 636 00:40:30,989 --> 00:40:34,529 indeed the ones who first came out. But then it got all twisted 637 00:40:34,949 --> 00:40:41,849 by the PR people also known as propagandist. And it got turned 638 00:40:41,849 --> 00:40:44,909 into the future. And that's when Google had to come up with barf 639 00:40:44,909 --> 00:40:45,929 and all that other stuff. 640 00:40:46,470 --> 00:40:48,180 Dave Jones: It's funny that you mentioned the PR, or the 641 00:40:48,180 --> 00:40:52,890 marketing people, because clip two of this sequence is about 642 00:40:52,950 --> 00:40:57,330 the marketing guy, and Microsoft and what he you know, and the 643 00:40:57,360 --> 00:41:00,930 the email that he sent out internally about any of you. 644 00:41:01,920 --> 00:41:06,420 This is in the context of Microsoft said, I think it was 645 00:41:06,900 --> 00:41:09,840 maybe a month ago, or a couple of months ago, they told all 646 00:41:09,840 --> 00:41:11,820 their employees that they're basically not gonna get a raise 647 00:41:11,820 --> 00:41:14,730 this year, nobody's nobody's all the bonuses are going to be 648 00:41:14,730 --> 00:41:17,880 tiny. Nobody's getting a raise, basically, everything's all 649 00:41:17,880 --> 00:41:23,190 their pay is frozen. And so that's clip two is what what 650 00:41:23,190 --> 00:41:24,060 that all is about 651 00:41:24,120 --> 00:41:27,930 Unknown: Chris cap, Chris capozella, our friend gotten a 652 00:41:27,930 --> 00:41:31,320 lot of trouble recently, because an internal email he had written 653 00:41:31,320 --> 00:41:34,230 in response to employees complaining about compensation 654 00:41:34,230 --> 00:41:37,770 and not getting raises when public. And what he wrote was, 655 00:41:37,770 --> 00:41:40,170 he's like, guys, like, there's nothing, you know, like, he 656 00:41:40,170 --> 00:41:42,270 doesn't control their raises, by the way, is the market chief 657 00:41:42,270 --> 00:41:45,870 marketing officer, but he said, Look, this very plain language, 658 00:41:46,170 --> 00:41:49,740 if you want to be compensated better, you need to make sure 659 00:41:49,740 --> 00:41:52,770 that you're doing something to positively impact Microsoft 660 00:41:52,770 --> 00:41:57,240 stock price. And what he meant by that was AI, like, you need 661 00:41:57,240 --> 00:42:00,660 to make sure that you're at your, that your job is to put AI 662 00:42:00,660 --> 00:42:04,260 into whatever your product is. And my god, people went after 663 00:42:04,260 --> 00:42:07,230 him like he was like the Antichrist or something. But 664 00:42:07,230 --> 00:42:10,410 really, he's really doing is just kind of parroting the 665 00:42:10,410 --> 00:42:13,290 internal emails that Microsoft executives were sending out last 666 00:42:13,290 --> 00:42:17,130 year saying, Guys, we are doing AI, you need to wrap your heads 667 00:42:17,130 --> 00:42:19,350 around this, and you need to get on board because this is 668 00:42:19,350 --> 00:42:19,920 happening. 669 00:42:20,190 --> 00:42:22,080 Adam Curry: Oh, man, I can't even imagine the support 670 00:42:22,080 --> 00:42:25,920 nightmare that's going to happen for IT departments when the AI 671 00:42:25,920 --> 00:42:29,910 gets, you know, starts indexing all of your stuff. And you know, 672 00:42:29,910 --> 00:42:33,780 and not coming up with the right answers. It's gonna be hard and 673 00:42:33,780 --> 00:42:37,230 even just stopping it from indexing stuff. It's gonna be 674 00:42:37,230 --> 00:42:37,950 horrible. 675 00:42:38,400 --> 00:42:40,740 Dave Jones: Oh, yeah. I mean, we, you know, at our firm, we 676 00:42:40,740 --> 00:42:43,830 had to send it send out a message saying, hey, you know, 677 00:42:44,010 --> 00:42:48,450 you can't use these tools. Because I mean, you if you got 678 00:42:48,450 --> 00:42:51,450 it, that's proprietary information. You can't just be 679 00:42:51,450 --> 00:42:54,720 handing this out to the things as as most companies are having 680 00:42:54,720 --> 00:42:57,810 to do now, like, there's there's all these moratoriums going out 681 00:42:57,810 --> 00:43:01,740 to everybody saying, Hey, you can't submit our internal stuff. 682 00:43:01,800 --> 00:43:05,970 But I think just like be exact. Yeah, exactly. I mean, you're 683 00:43:05,970 --> 00:43:08,940 basically that's like, that's like a it's like a manual data 684 00:43:08,940 --> 00:43:12,330 breach. Yeah. But we're, you know, I go back to what Peter 685 00:43:12,330 --> 00:43:17,460 Thiel said in, I think it's this sort of famous saying in 2013. 686 00:43:18,990 --> 00:43:22,200 He knows we're, we were promised flying cars, and what we got was 687 00:43:22,200 --> 00:43:28,830 140 characters. Yeah, that's That's true. There is a there's 688 00:43:28,830 --> 00:43:34,080 a technological innovation. I think his term was deceleration 689 00:43:34,140 --> 00:43:39,330 is happening. All the big. All the big monster advancements 690 00:43:39,540 --> 00:43:44,490 have already been done. Where there's hardly any of division, 691 00:43:44,730 --> 00:43:49,680 none of those left that we know of. And what's what they're 692 00:43:49,680 --> 00:43:53,910 trying to do now is all about trying to just get every last 693 00:43:53,910 --> 00:43:57,660 cent. Yeah, out of the market before this whole thing just 694 00:43:57,690 --> 00:43:58,740 just falls. 695 00:43:58,740 --> 00:44:01,260 Adam Curry: So let's be different. I'm gonna take this 696 00:44:01,260 --> 00:44:06,810 back to YouTube. I'm making a plea to all hosting companies to 697 00:44:06,810 --> 00:44:13,170 not participate in the YouTube RSS ingestion. Even if your 698 00:44:13,170 --> 00:44:18,300 customers ask for it. If we stand strong than if everyone 699 00:44:18,330 --> 00:44:21,240 says no, we're just not as an industry, we're not doing that 700 00:44:21,240 --> 00:44:23,550 this will be the one thing we could do, which will send a 701 00:44:23,550 --> 00:44:27,630 very, very strong message to the world. Now, do I think that will 702 00:44:27,630 --> 00:44:32,220 happen? No, I'm pretty sure at least one company will do this. 703 00:44:32,490 --> 00:44:35,940 And that will make everyone or almost everyone feel they need 704 00:44:35,940 --> 00:44:39,780 to do this. So the minute that happens, I am going to start a 705 00:44:39,780 --> 00:44:47,130 counter initiative. I am and this is baby view. Yeah. And, 706 00:44:47,610 --> 00:44:53,040 and this is based on my fantastic experience with start 707 00:44:53,040 --> 00:45:00,000 OS right now. No, this is the start nine which I would say on 708 00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:05,310 Roll is just like that only start nine, doesn't string 709 00:45:05,340 --> 00:45:10,530 Dockers together, it built an OS for this stuff. And it and you 710 00:45:10,530 --> 00:45:15,090 really don't I have not seen a command line yet. So it kind of 711 00:45:15,090 --> 00:45:21,210 works quite well. And it's stable. And they do have a, it's 712 00:45:21,210 --> 00:45:25,230 just it's a it's a very cool box. I mean, it's, there's, of 713 00:45:25,230 --> 00:45:27,630 course, it's not done yet. And there's all kinds of things they 714 00:45:27,630 --> 00:45:31,020 need to do and you need to access it either locally or on 715 00:45:31,020 --> 00:45:34,740 tour and all this stuff but helipad is running on it. 716 00:45:35,430 --> 00:45:39,450 Beautifully stable. The new version also, by the way, the 717 00:45:39,450 --> 00:45:41,820 one that has the stream as well as the boost. 718 00:45:42,209 --> 00:45:45,119 Dave Jones: Oh, the one other GitHub. Yep. Off the repo. Yeah, 719 00:45:45,119 --> 00:45:47,609 it's been even have an image for that yet. 720 00:45:47,640 --> 00:45:50,160 Adam Curry: It's in the app store that's in the Start nine 721 00:45:50,760 --> 00:45:54,630 application store or whatever they call it there. IPFS 722 00:45:54,630 --> 00:46:00,510 podcasting in their works. It will be an official app soon. I 723 00:46:00,510 --> 00:46:06,030 would like to see a big plea to our French brothers. Casta pod 724 00:46:06,030 --> 00:46:07,260 will be beautiful. 725 00:46:07,800 --> 00:46:12,210 Dave Jones: Oh, yeah. Just while you go, huh? No, as 726 00:46:12,330 --> 00:46:14,490 Adam Curry: I said, Yeah, I mean that because I could never it 727 00:46:14,910 --> 00:46:18,450 was very hard to get cast upon running a bundle that up in 728 00:46:18,450 --> 00:46:21,990 their app system. I think that will be a great app to have you 729 00:46:21,990 --> 00:46:25,980 and the companies on board that really want to support peer to 730 00:46:26,310 --> 00:46:30,690 peer tube. Thank you the next one. And here, here's the 731 00:46:30,690 --> 00:46:37,320 question I had. Is there a way I mean, I guess you can have 732 00:46:37,350 --> 00:46:43,620 alternate enclosure with IPFS. Which, of course would require 733 00:46:43,830 --> 00:46:49,740 for it to work properly the apps to add IPFS knowledge into their 734 00:46:49,770 --> 00:46:55,470 into their apps, which may not be trivial, I'm not sure. But 735 00:46:55,470 --> 00:46:59,070 let's just say you have pinning server, the initiative I would 736 00:46:59,070 --> 00:47:05,220 want to start is, here's your sovereign podcasting stack. And, 737 00:47:05,310 --> 00:47:08,520 and I would start it you can you don't have to buy start nine, 738 00:47:08,520 --> 00:47:11,010 you can load start nine on your old hardware, do whatever you 739 00:47:11,010 --> 00:47:15,390 want, you know, just like Umbral, here's your stack. And 740 00:47:16,110 --> 00:47:21,840 distribution works through IPFS. And here's these IPFS, like exit 741 00:47:21,840 --> 00:47:27,600 nodes if you know for HTTP access to the files. And my 742 00:47:27,600 --> 00:47:33,300 initiative would require that anyone who uses this uses value 743 00:47:33,300 --> 00:47:38,460 for value, and that there's a upfront sharing of SATs for who 744 00:47:38,460 --> 00:47:40,800 anyone who's running one of these nodes. Now, I don't want 745 00:47:40,800 --> 00:47:43,740 to go down the filecoin route and all that, and this is just 746 00:47:43,950 --> 00:47:47,880 coming together in my head. But if if we start giving our shit 747 00:47:47,880 --> 00:47:52,500 to YouTube, the end is in sight. And with that, I mean the end of 748 00:47:52,500 --> 00:47:57,210 hosting companies. Because once these guys see some money, 749 00:47:57,600 --> 00:47:59,880 they're gonna take it, they'll take whatever they can, they 750 00:47:59,880 --> 00:48:02,880 will take it away from you, and they'll hide the it's a little 751 00:48:02,880 --> 00:48:07,650 hijack. And so the only way I know how to do it is to resort 752 00:48:07,650 --> 00:48:13,440 to this. And I think that this initiative could work if we, if 753 00:48:13,440 --> 00:48:18,000 we really thought about it. But the you know, we've we've had it 754 00:48:18,060 --> 00:48:25,410 this IPFS podcasting works. It works, you load up the app, you 755 00:48:25,410 --> 00:48:28,230 blow it on the iPad, app, two nodes now running an Umbra one 756 00:48:28,230 --> 00:48:34,440 on Start OS, and you can get these files, and we have nodes 757 00:48:34,440 --> 00:48:37,890 all over the world. It works. And people are using it very 758 00:48:37,890 --> 00:48:42,270 few. I have a feeling that that type of initiative will be 759 00:48:42,270 --> 00:48:47,100 needed as this as a backup plan. Because we just can't count on 760 00:48:47,280 --> 00:48:52,020 commercial hosting companies to stay solid. 761 00:48:54,390 --> 00:48:57,360 Dave Jones: The only thing I can say is, here's the here's my 762 00:48:57,360 --> 00:49:04,260 initial thought is you said if they see you're said if YouTube 763 00:49:04,260 --> 00:49:07,140 starts to see the money. Yeah, you know, that's when they'll 764 00:49:07,140 --> 00:49:11,070 do. The only thing I can think of here is that there's just not 765 00:49:11,070 --> 00:49:14,970 that much money. It is not the way that it's not worth their 766 00:49:14,970 --> 00:49:15,570 time. 767 00:49:15,630 --> 00:49:18,630 Adam Curry: Well, no, no, they have a very, very well 768 00:49:18,630 --> 00:49:22,740 established advertising business. It may not be as big 769 00:49:22,740 --> 00:49:26,280 as it was a year and a half ago, but it's still it's a huge 770 00:49:26,280 --> 00:49:29,820 behemoth. There's billions of dollars a quarter. And you know, 771 00:49:29,820 --> 00:49:33,300 and they'll just they can insert anything they want to do they 772 00:49:33,300 --> 00:49:36,990 have the market on advertising. And that's literally the thing 773 00:49:36,990 --> 00:49:40,740 that they're not allowing you to do is upload ads. So it's very 774 00:49:40,740 --> 00:49:43,800 obvious where they see the money. They won't charge you. 775 00:49:45,150 --> 00:49:47,940 They won't charge you. But that's where it's I mean, it's 776 00:49:47,940 --> 00:49:50,610 going to be just like Spotify, which is now of course you know, 777 00:49:50,610 --> 00:49:53,790 we've now lived with it for how many years we live with Spotify, 778 00:49:53,790 --> 00:49:57,540 podcasting, it's falling apart. They've turned racist. You know, 779 00:49:57,540 --> 00:50:00,840 all this stuff is happening. We're listening When you turn 780 00:50:00,840 --> 00:50:02,880 racist, which of course they're not, but they're going to be 781 00:50:02,910 --> 00:50:07,920 deemed racist. Now they're being cancelled. Spotify is being 782 00:50:07,920 --> 00:50:11,400 cancelled, and YouTube will slip right in and say, Oh, we can do 783 00:50:11,400 --> 00:50:13,380 it better. You watch 784 00:50:14,250 --> 00:50:17,640 Dave Jones: the. There's Well, there's I don't know if you saw 785 00:50:17,640 --> 00:50:23,490 that other article about how it's like, it's June and Spotify 786 00:50:23,490 --> 00:50:26,580 and gimlet ringer and all the Spotify own networks still don't 787 00:50:26,580 --> 00:50:27,780 have their budgets for the year. 788 00:50:27,810 --> 00:50:30,300 Adam Curry: No, of course not. I haven't seen like article. I 789 00:50:30,300 --> 00:50:31,830 didn't see the article. Yeah, that 790 00:50:31,830 --> 00:50:34,080 Dave Jones: thing's I mean, like, it's, there's a lot of 791 00:50:34,080 --> 00:50:36,960 hand wringing going on within the Spotify production 792 00:50:36,960 --> 00:50:39,780 companies. This whole thing. The reason I say that about 793 00:50:39,780 --> 00:50:45,000 YouTube's much about the amount of money this, then I don't know 794 00:50:45,000 --> 00:50:48,600 if you've been sort of kind of keeping track of this. But the 795 00:50:48,600 --> 00:50:52,830 numbers that are reported within the podcast industry as far as 796 00:50:52,830 --> 00:51:00,210 revenues go, they've always been. Let's just say PSAs. But 797 00:51:00,480 --> 00:51:03,390 shut Yeah, suspect. Oh, but 798 00:51:03,810 --> 00:51:06,840 Adam Curry: Yeah, hello, millennial. Young kids. 799 00:51:06,840 --> 00:51:08,250 Millennial, Dave speaking. 800 00:51:08,609 --> 00:51:14,429 Dave Jones: Yes. I heard a guy recently. He's, he's like a 25 801 00:51:14,429 --> 00:51:16,049 or something like this. I'm picking up the lingo. 802 00:51:18,810 --> 00:51:20,400 Adam Curry: Sketch sketch. Yeah, 803 00:51:20,430 --> 00:51:21,930 Dave Jones: I'm starting to say cringe ally. 804 00:51:23,310 --> 00:51:25,650 Adam Curry: No, no, no, this is so bad. 805 00:51:26,550 --> 00:51:29,880 Dave Jones: But they've always been a little suspect. Now. At 806 00:51:29,880 --> 00:51:33,810 the point, this point. They're all over the map. I mean, you 807 00:51:33,810 --> 00:51:38,250 see, i be i think it is reporting like $1.8 billion in 808 00:51:38,250 --> 00:51:43,110 the podcasting, you know, industry. Let me get and then 809 00:51:43,110 --> 00:51:47,400 and then you'll have some people saying, here's this Magellan AI 810 00:51:47,430 --> 00:51:50,820 report, which I which I always look at, which I think is great. 811 00:51:52,080 --> 00:51:54,660 Adam Curry: For comedy purposes, is this why he's looking at 812 00:51:54,690 --> 00:51:58,350 Dave Jones: Yes, for comedy. Yes. Supposedly, this Podcast, 813 00:51:58,470 --> 00:52:01,590 the podcast industrial complex is worth $1.8 billion. That's 814 00:52:01,590 --> 00:52:05,880 what we've been. That's what we've been being told. One of 815 00:52:05,880 --> 00:52:09,960 the key findings of the Magellan AI report was that podcast ad 816 00:52:09,960 --> 00:52:15,180 spending in quarter four, increased 23% year 817 00:52:15,180 --> 00:52:18,240 Adam Curry: over year. Echo notices quarter over quarter, 818 00:52:18,240 --> 00:52:20,610 quarter over quarter. Okay. Yeah, 819 00:52:20,700 --> 00:52:28,560 Dave Jones: so at $1.8 billion a year. You're telling me that the 820 00:52:28,560 --> 00:52:33,000 podcast ad spending went up like $400 million in a quarter? Give 821 00:52:33,000 --> 00:52:37,320 me a break. Now. This is what we this is what we call horse 822 00:52:37,320 --> 00:52:38,160 manure. Yeah, 823 00:52:38,190 --> 00:52:42,330 Adam Curry: no. And I think the baseline number 1.8 billion it 824 00:52:42,330 --> 00:52:47,520 includes probably include Sirius XM you know portion of revenue 825 00:52:47,520 --> 00:52:50,760 from you know the quote unquote satellite radio. I heard from 826 00:52:50,760 --> 00:52:54,510 the radio stations it's in and they don't really have numbers. 827 00:52:54,510 --> 00:52:56,640 I don't think they have the actual numbers. Not everyone 828 00:52:56,640 --> 00:53:00,690 reports numbers. So yeah, it's just it just whatever. I'm not 829 00:53:00,690 --> 00:53:01,290 sending it. 830 00:53:02,010 --> 00:53:05,370 Dave Jones: I bet you the total revenue of ad podcast 831 00:53:05,370 --> 00:53:10,860 advertising. Total global I mean, like worldwide, a real 832 00:53:10,860 --> 00:53:16,320 number is probably a few 100 million. And that's just not 833 00:53:16,320 --> 00:53:21,150 anything for YouTube. That's That's chump change. It's chump 834 00:53:21,150 --> 00:53:24,780 change. When you like look at look at tick tock so tick tock. 835 00:53:24,810 --> 00:53:26,700 Adam Curry: That's there. Now you can now you're talking 836 00:53:26,700 --> 00:53:28,170 that's where the real money is. 837 00:53:29,040 --> 00:53:31,530 Dave Jones: Did and this is fun. This is a good article. So if 838 00:53:31,530 --> 00:53:33,750 you think you should read it, you're kind 839 00:53:33,750 --> 00:53:35,880 Adam Curry: of taking away the reason for my whole initiative 840 00:53:35,880 --> 00:53:36,120 now. 841 00:53:37,980 --> 00:53:41,070 Dave Jones: Like it, go ahead. No, no, I retract retract. 842 00:53:41,100 --> 00:53:42,720 Adam Curry: No, I mean, not now you're saying there's no money? 843 00:53:42,720 --> 00:53:50,370 You know, I look, I look. Alright, Joe. It just bugs me. 844 00:53:50,430 --> 00:53:53,220 This is the one thing that is distributed in podcasting has 845 00:53:53,220 --> 00:53:57,960 done so well. And I'm worried and in general, I'm worried 846 00:53:57,960 --> 00:54:00,450 about the health of these companies. I don't know if all 847 00:54:00,450 --> 00:54:04,410 of them will survive the and we're not seeing I'm convinced 848 00:54:04,410 --> 00:54:09,360 we're not seeing new podcasters you know, it's not like the like 849 00:54:09,360 --> 00:54:12,990 the industry is growing with more podcasters just isn't I 850 00:54:12,990 --> 00:54:16,320 mean, we can see that we're not seeing the we're not seeing an 851 00:54:16,320 --> 00:54:22,410 incredible increase in new shows being created. So you know, it's 852 00:54:22,410 --> 00:54:27,600 like it just as we say in the old country, I can feel it on my 853 00:54:27,600 --> 00:54:31,890 water. My water is telling me this isn't this is we're in a 854 00:54:31,890 --> 00:54:35,220 little bit of a precarious situation. We've got people 855 00:54:35,250 --> 00:54:39,300 investing into this YouTube thing, like they invested into 856 00:54:39,300 --> 00:54:47,220 Facebook and God note and and and Spotify for podcasters mean 857 00:54:47,220 --> 00:54:49,260 what do you think that means? That's literally your competitor 858 00:54:49,260 --> 00:54:50,310 you helped build there. 859 00:54:51,209 --> 00:54:54,719 Dave Jones: And I think I understand what you're saying. I 860 00:54:54,719 --> 00:54:58,079 do and I think you're I think your instinct. I mean, I feel 861 00:54:58,079 --> 00:55:02,129 your instincts are right because the pot guest hosting is the 862 00:55:02,129 --> 00:55:05,429 concept, okay, the podcast hosting concept of just, you 863 00:55:05,429 --> 00:55:08,309 know, pay him pay it, you pay a monthly fee, and we host all 864 00:55:08,309 --> 00:55:12,029 your stuff and make it easy for you to create content. That's a 865 00:55:12,029 --> 00:55:20,129 good business. Yeah. That's a good solid. Like, not scammy 866 00:55:20,129 --> 00:55:23,939 business, you provide a service and you you get that service for 867 00:55:23,939 --> 00:55:30,509 a reasonable price. Like, if, if what happens is YouTube just 868 00:55:30,539 --> 00:55:35,759 sees that it's so easy to scan to confiscate that entire 869 00:55:35,759 --> 00:55:37,049 business for free. 870 00:55:37,080 --> 00:55:39,120 Adam Curry: Remember, you're giving people hosting all they 871 00:55:39,120 --> 00:55:43,320 have to do, all YouTube has to do they say, Hey, you know, 872 00:55:43,320 --> 00:55:47,460 what? What are you paying over there at? And they know your 873 00:55:47,460 --> 00:55:50,910 email address. They know who you are, but he paid over there to 874 00:55:50,910 --> 00:55:54,570 at hosting company X, you know, we're gonna now provide RSS 875 00:55:54,570 --> 00:55:59,370 feeds. So why would you be over there? When you get us, you get 876 00:55:59,370 --> 00:56:02,130 our marketing, you get our placement, you get our 877 00:56:02,130 --> 00:56:05,910 promotion, you get our ads, and here's an RSS feed. And then all 878 00:56:05,910 --> 00:56:08,280 of a sudden, they'll say, for those legacy apps, 879 00:56:08,790 --> 00:56:12,420 Dave Jones: and you don't even have to, yeah, that's a good 880 00:56:12,420 --> 00:56:15,450 point about the legs. Yes. And you don't, in that scenario, you 881 00:56:15,450 --> 00:56:17,610 wouldn't even have to import your feed, because they've 882 00:56:17,610 --> 00:56:18,210 already got 883 00:56:18,240 --> 00:56:20,580 Adam Curry: already got it. They just turn around and say, You 884 00:56:20,580 --> 00:56:24,420 know what, instead of uploading, they're just like the cell phone 885 00:56:24,420 --> 00:56:27,180 business, you know, we're gonna give you $20 to come over here. 886 00:56:27,960 --> 00:56:31,740 Yeah, come over here for 20 Here's, here's a bonus for $20. 887 00:56:31,920 --> 00:56:34,740 And you all you have to do is instead of going over there, 888 00:56:34,740 --> 00:56:38,130 just upload your stuff here. And now we have RSS feeds for you. 889 00:56:38,609 --> 00:56:42,539 Dave Jones: If a if, if anchored can run 5 million podcast RSS 890 00:56:42,539 --> 00:56:45,509 feeds at a loss and still survive for years and years who 891 00:56:45,509 --> 00:56:48,599 can as well YouTube can do it in their in their sleep, and 892 00:56:48,600 --> 00:56:50,790 Adam Curry: YouTube would have no problem down the line saying 893 00:56:50,790 --> 00:56:53,970 hey, you got to pay $1 A month or whatever, it's just isn't 894 00:56:53,970 --> 00:56:57,960 such an obvious trap. And if one big podcast host goes for it, 895 00:56:57,960 --> 00:57:00,480 everybody's gonna have to go for it. Because that's, that's the 896 00:57:00,480 --> 00:57:06,150 nature of the business, your, your, your coopetition. Anyway, 897 00:57:06,150 --> 00:57:07,530 so I, I 898 00:57:07,560 --> 00:57:10,260 Dave Jones: you're convincing the you you wave a wave of 899 00:57:10,260 --> 00:57:10,770 convincing. 900 00:57:11,609 --> 00:57:14,549 Adam Curry: Now and meanwhile, this is happening at a very 901 00:57:14,549 --> 00:57:19,619 exciting moment in podcasting, where we now have figured out 902 00:57:19,949 --> 00:57:27,299 how to create recreate a music industry without the legacy of 903 00:57:27,539 --> 00:57:32,459 performing rights organizations record labels, without Spotify. 904 00:57:32,489 --> 00:57:36,269 In fact, we are proving that people who use our system with a 905 00:57:36,269 --> 00:57:39,809 very small audience right now, which is what do we have? We're 906 00:57:39,809 --> 00:57:44,399 Spurlock what is podcasting? 2.0 What is our suppose it audience 907 00:57:44,399 --> 00:57:46,289 you have the numbers in front of you? What 908 00:57:46,319 --> 00:57:48,689 Dave Jones: you mean? Like our like? 909 00:57:50,280 --> 00:57:52,350 Adam Curry: Was it 8000? Maybe tops? 910 00:57:52,950 --> 00:57:53,730 Dave Jones: I can look it up? 911 00:57:53,819 --> 00:57:57,209 Adam Curry: Look it up. If it's even that a very small audience, 912 00:57:57,389 --> 00:58:01,109 then we own we own the wave Lake top five. 913 00:58:04,050 --> 00:58:06,480 Dave Jones: Wait, are you going to play music? Yes, I am, of 914 00:58:06,480 --> 00:58:11,100 course. Because I would like to like to since? 915 00:58:12,510 --> 00:58:13,710 Adam Curry: Yes, it's called the setup. 916 00:58:15,360 --> 00:58:17,910 Dave Jones: I felt it. And I'm also neat, but I need to take 917 00:58:17,910 --> 00:58:22,770 time, I need to take this opportunity to launch my web 918 00:58:22,770 --> 00:58:25,530 socket listener? Because I want to watch 919 00:58:25,590 --> 00:58:30,390 Adam Curry: Ah, yes, of course. You want to switch the web? Man, 920 00:58:30,750 --> 00:58:33,990 you set up your own web socket listener, God knows why. But you 921 00:58:33,990 --> 00:58:36,480 set one up, what do you do with this web socket listener? 922 00:58:36,840 --> 00:58:39,120 Dave Jones: Well, I want to I want to watch what Steven bass 923 00:58:39,120 --> 00:58:41,730 sending in. In the live. 924 00:58:42,180 --> 00:58:43,830 Adam Curry: Well, can you? Well, well, can you do both at the 925 00:58:43,830 --> 00:58:47,400 same time? Can you? Can you take a look at the at our audience 926 00:58:47,400 --> 00:58:48,300 size first? 927 00:58:49,920 --> 00:58:53,040 Dave Jones: First, yes, again, let me find let me find that 928 00:58:53,040 --> 00:58:54,180 live because we 929 00:58:54,180 --> 00:58:57,990 Adam Curry: are I mean, people are getting 100 $200 here again, 930 00:58:58,590 --> 00:59:02,070 for just being played on this show. Now granted, we have a 931 00:59:02,070 --> 00:59:04,470 community who's interested in this and they're supporting the 932 00:59:04,470 --> 00:59:07,200 whole set. By the way, as I'm leading up to this, please make 933 00:59:07,200 --> 00:59:11,550 sure that you using curio caster, or pod friend currently 934 00:59:11,550 --> 00:59:16,320 the only two the apps that support this, who also benefit 935 00:59:16,320 --> 00:59:20,370 from these tests. I mean, I see some nice, nice baller boosts 936 00:59:20,370 --> 00:59:24,600 going to these artists to these musicians, which is again part 937 00:59:24,600 --> 00:59:28,440 of value for value. It really does work. And it far surpasses 938 00:59:28,500 --> 00:59:31,410 anything these artists as musicians, these creatives 939 00:59:31,650 --> 00:59:36,240 creators have ever gotten from Spotify. Or they get stats, they 940 00:59:36,240 --> 00:59:39,060 get some stats, you know, they don't even hit the payout level. 941 00:59:40,200 --> 00:59:44,580 By the way, I was used I tried boosting on pod friend and I 942 00:59:44,580 --> 00:59:46,950 don't think it went through to the artist. I don't know if that 943 00:59:46,950 --> 00:59:51,600 was I don't know if that was something's broken or not, but 944 00:59:51,630 --> 00:59:55,140 I'm just going to presume that it's working. So you will want 945 00:59:55,140 --> 00:59:58,080 to either re listen to this episode or you want to listen to 946 00:59:58,080 --> 01:00:02,520 this part of this episode. I To support the test because the 947 01:00:02,520 --> 01:00:06,600 test what this test is resulting in is I'm, I now have 10 emails 948 01:00:06,600 --> 01:00:12,840 a day of people saying, Hey, I heard from this guy. Hey, yeah, 949 01:00:12,840 --> 01:00:16,230 hey look, listen, I heard from this guy over there and I'm that 950 01:00:16,230 --> 01:00:20,040 guy that you know if you play my song that it pays off that 951 01:00:20,040 --> 01:00:24,570 people have supported and I'm getting friends friends of 952 01:00:24,570 --> 01:00:28,230 friends. I got a recommendation today which I'm going to play 953 01:00:28,230 --> 01:00:33,420 from Steven B. Which we listened to Yeah. Oh you're gonna love it 954 01:00:33,420 --> 01:00:38,790 which started out on on MSP self hosted I believe it's now also 955 01:00:38,790 --> 01:00:43,890 been added to wave lake which I love you know, because wave Lake 956 01:00:43,890 --> 01:00:47,400 dystopia the two that do it for sure. Now, you can also data 957 01:00:47,400 --> 01:00:52,770 directly to the index with a with a medium equals music tag, 958 01:00:53,340 --> 01:00:55,650 if you know what you're doing, but I would say music side 959 01:00:55,650 --> 01:00:58,560 project.com is a good place to start for that to get it all set 960 01:00:58,560 --> 01:01:01,170 up. And then you can get your value block through podcaster 961 01:01:01,170 --> 01:01:06,960 wallet.com or through fountain now we need more more people to 962 01:01:06,960 --> 01:01:10,560 jump in and and create these systems from from musicians, 963 01:01:10,980 --> 01:01:14,520 then I'm not sure what wave Lake is doing. I don't see a lot of 964 01:01:14,550 --> 01:01:18,960 development there. We certainly don't have any music specific 965 01:01:18,960 --> 01:01:22,800 players. But I'm okay with that because I'm bringing back Music 966 01:01:22,800 --> 01:01:29,100 Radio. That's my plan. Now I want to hit 9421 967 01:01:29,430 --> 01:01:31,290 Dave Jones: unique listeners in May. 968 01:01:31,620 --> 01:01:34,200 Adam Curry: So that results in a couple 100 bucks for a song 969 01:01:34,200 --> 01:01:38,100 played once. Which is more than you know than a song screaming 970 01:01:38,130 --> 01:01:42,420 1000s of times on Spotify. Straight up It's just math. 971 01:01:44,430 --> 01:01:46,290 Dave Jones: It's good man. It's good man. It's good math 972 01:01:46,290 --> 01:01:48,240 Adam Curry: is your WebSocket listener up and running Are you 973 01:01:48,270 --> 01:01:49,740 are you good there it is I'm 974 01:01:49,740 --> 01:01:51,840 Dave Jones: listening you'll be amazed at how many things I'm 975 01:01:51,840 --> 01:01:52,470 doing it once. 976 01:01:52,589 --> 01:01:55,469 Adam Curry: Well same here because I had to activate the 977 01:01:55,499 --> 01:01:59,879 remote value block doing that in sovereign feeds definitely the 978 01:01:59,879 --> 01:02:04,559 way to go. If you're running with scissors now this is a 979 01:02:04,559 --> 01:02:07,619 little different for those quote unquote independent songs has a 980 01:02:07,619 --> 01:02:14,069 very nice Motown kind of vibe to it. A nice one to chill out on 981 01:02:14,069 --> 01:02:17,609 your Friday afternoon and your board meeting with a late night 982 01:02:17,609 --> 01:02:21,869 special it sounds like a bummer but it's not the sunshine never 983 01:02:21,869 --> 01:02:24,029 comes a podcasting 2.0 984 01:02:26,070 --> 01:02:37,800 Unknown: never got the sunshine the sunshine until it's rain and 985 01:02:41,430 --> 01:02:42,540 life is called 986 01:02:48,900 --> 01:02:53,100 sing these words put them in your pocket and show them what 987 01:02:53,100 --> 01:02:53,370 you 988 01:03:00,480 --> 01:03:10,740 need to know the sunshine the sunshine the sunshine 989 01:03:37,140 --> 01:03:44,790 make your soul Chase another dream that you can let go in 990 01:03:44,790 --> 01:04:01,650 life moves on when you feed us so we got the sunshine the 991 01:04:01,650 --> 01:04:10,380 sunshine the sunshine train 992 01:04:33,000 --> 01:04:33,420 know 993 01:04:59,190 --> 01:05:07,290 Dave Jones: oh man I'm so mellow, kind of almost started 994 01:05:07,290 --> 01:05:07,980 coding here. 995 01:05:08,880 --> 01:05:13,590 Adam Curry: Well, I have a have a far end of show, we'll do a 996 01:05:13,590 --> 01:05:19,230 song as well. Very like a blink 182 type vibe. Oh, cool. Yeah, 997 01:05:19,260 --> 01:05:22,530 just really rocket into the weekend. And of course, once 998 01:05:22,530 --> 01:05:26,430 again, I I request from all developers, they consider 999 01:05:26,430 --> 01:05:29,940 putting in the remote value block item tag thingamabob, 1000 01:05:29,940 --> 01:05:32,850 what's it called? The time split. split time value. 1001 01:05:33,420 --> 01:05:35,640 Dave Jones: Yeah, they time split value time. 1002 01:05:35,640 --> 01:05:38,490 Adam Curry: So I please, Oscar said he's putting it into 1003 01:05:38,490 --> 01:05:41,940 fountain within the month of June. And the minute he does, 1004 01:05:41,940 --> 01:05:46,230 we're gonna have money to talk about that and other things. And 1005 01:05:46,800 --> 01:05:50,790 I just, I just love this. I love this. I love this. I love this. 1006 01:05:50,790 --> 01:05:54,330 This is going to create a whole new industry. 1007 01:05:55,380 --> 01:05:58,350 Dave Jones: So are you hitting the I'm watching the socket 1008 01:05:58,350 --> 01:06:02,250 here. Are you hitting the Z some sort of like saying, are you 1009 01:06:02,250 --> 01:06:06,120 having to sync it or tell it when the song is over? Yes. Like 1010 01:06:06,120 --> 01:06:07,290 you have to do something manually. 1011 01:06:07,710 --> 01:06:10,920 Adam Curry: Yes, yeah. So the process here, there's a whole 1012 01:06:10,920 --> 01:06:13,920 dashboard, undervaluing time splits on sovereign feed 1013 01:06:13,920 --> 01:06:17,910 sovereign feeds.com. And so when you when I start the show, I hit 1014 01:06:17,910 --> 01:06:21,960 the general Synchronize button with the show, you don't have to 1015 01:06:21,960 --> 01:06:25,380 but it just makes it easier than post production. And then the 1016 01:06:25,380 --> 01:06:28,560 minute I start the song, I hit the sync button. So I've already 1017 01:06:28,560 --> 01:06:31,740 loaded up the two songs I'm playing for today. Cuz you and 1018 01:06:31,740 --> 01:06:36,300 you and you actually load them up in sovereign feeds, because 1019 01:06:36,300 --> 01:06:39,060 you can see all the albums that are available all the artists 1020 01:06:39,060 --> 01:06:41,880 and you and you searching select, and you say, Okay, this 1021 01:06:41,880 --> 01:06:46,200 is the song I want pops into your little playlist there. And 1022 01:06:46,200 --> 01:06:49,260 then the minute you hit your play button, you sync it up so 1023 01:06:49,260 --> 01:06:54,870 that in post production, you can easily find where the song 1024 01:06:54,870 --> 01:06:59,940 starts. It's, you know, only be a couple seconds off. And, and 1025 01:06:59,940 --> 01:07:02,760 then when the song ends, I hit the big red button that says 1026 01:07:02,760 --> 01:07:06,900 Activate podcasters value block. And that's and that's which is 1027 01:07:06,900 --> 01:07:11,130 the wallet back and and the artwork back, I believe. Okay, 1028 01:07:11,490 --> 01:07:16,530 okay. It's really it's, it's quite simple to comprehend and 1029 01:07:16,530 --> 01:07:20,190 quite easy to use. And then when I go to post production, I can 1030 01:07:20,190 --> 01:07:23,850 literally copy over the value block. I mean, the whole thing 1031 01:07:23,880 --> 01:07:28,650 works. Sovereign feeds.com Is my Swiss Army knife of feed 1032 01:07:28,650 --> 01:07:30,420 creation telling you right now, 1033 01:07:30,960 --> 01:07:34,050 Dave Jones: well, this kind of heads us in the direction of 1034 01:07:34,050 --> 01:07:38,400 talking about goods because remote value in a value time 1035 01:07:38,400 --> 01:07:42,930 split a relies on remote item which references a good as its 1036 01:07:42,930 --> 01:07:47,280 primary way of finding a podcast, right. And had an 1037 01:07:47,310 --> 01:07:54,630 grippit. at a at a good conversation with with brown of 1038 01:07:54,630 --> 01:07:58,650 London the other day, he called. And we just talked through goods 1039 01:07:58,650 --> 01:08:01,530 and everything. And he was like, you know, look, I think I want 1040 01:08:01,530 --> 01:08:06,870 to make a service that you can run yourself, like anybody can 1041 01:08:06,870 --> 01:08:12,480 run it as a part of helping to D decentralize the media services 1042 01:08:12,480 --> 01:08:14,970 away from podcast index. So we don't have to host the whole 1043 01:08:14,970 --> 01:08:20,880 world. And here's like this, yes, this, this resolution piece 1044 01:08:20,880 --> 01:08:24,780 feels like a good way to do that, like this feels. When you 1045 01:08:24,780 --> 01:08:27,810 talk about resolving things, it's good. That's a good 1046 01:08:27,810 --> 01:08:33,240 decentralization methods are like DNS. So and he described it 1047 01:08:33,240 --> 01:08:35,670 to me, he's like, you know, I think I can just sit down the 1048 01:08:35,670 --> 01:08:42,150 weekly database from podcast index, and loaded up in this in 1049 01:08:42,150 --> 01:08:47,370 this Docker container app. And then you we can just have 1050 01:08:47,370 --> 01:08:50,340 multiple resolvers anybody with you can run it for five bucks on 1051 01:08:50,340 --> 01:08:51,630 a Linode. And 1052 01:08:52,379 --> 01:08:54,479 Adam Curry: just something that everybody can everyone, but 1053 01:08:54,479 --> 01:08:57,149 everybody can run one. And then we'll have some kind of round 1054 01:08:57,149 --> 01:09:01,199 robin system that you ping a central, a central resource and 1055 01:09:01,199 --> 01:09:03,839 send you to the one anyone the next one on the list. 1056 01:09:04,709 --> 01:09:06,599 Dave Jones: Yeah, so that that was that was kind of like, 1057 01:09:07,319 --> 01:09:10,619 phase, sort of phase two of what I was thinking like, you know, 1058 01:09:10,619 --> 01:09:14,459 get get these things rolling. And then anybody who wanted to 1059 01:09:14,459 --> 01:09:18,839 participate, we could throw in just a, you know, a round robin 1060 01:09:18,839 --> 01:09:23,339 DNS resolver, that gives you a random one, you know, on the 1061 01:09:23,339 --> 01:09:27,839 back end, right. So so that your you know, it's it's load 1062 01:09:27,839 --> 01:09:31,589 balancing itself, their DNS, just a simple share method. 1063 01:09:31,619 --> 01:09:36,209 Sure. And I mean, I think that's a nice idea. Don't there's one 1064 01:09:36,209 --> 01:09:42,389 thing, but one thing we got to talk through is the how to 1065 01:09:42,389 --> 01:09:51,539 resolve those couple things. If so, we have we have two general 1066 01:09:51,539 --> 01:10:00,209 issues. One is good resume good conflicts. And this fits into 1067 01:10:00,209 --> 01:10:04,199 the larger idea of just duplicates in general. So we 1068 01:10:04,199 --> 01:10:10,739 know that the idea of a podcast guid is sound, right? The is a 1069 01:10:10,739 --> 01:10:14,519 decentralized idea that the podcast declares its it within 1070 01:10:14,519 --> 01:10:21,269 itself. And we decided early on, that's not a problem. Because 1071 01:10:21,659 --> 01:10:29,009 when the in the case where a another feed claims to have the 1072 01:10:29,009 --> 01:10:36,599 same good as a different feed, then you you will now you're 1073 01:10:36,629 --> 01:10:39,209 it's not a problem, because now you're letting the world know. 1074 01:10:39,779 --> 01:10:42,569 You're letting the world know that I've done something wrong 1075 01:10:42,569 --> 01:10:46,799 with my feed. Right. So the world can tell you back hey, go 1076 01:10:46,799 --> 01:10:47,639 fix your feed. 1077 01:10:49,260 --> 01:10:51,930 Adam Curry: Yeah, which is exactly I had this exact problem 1078 01:10:51,930 --> 01:10:56,520 I had because of a sovereign feeds issue. I had a duplicate 1079 01:10:56,520 --> 01:11:02,190 guid and Spurlock said, Hey, no, no, no, no, no. Yeah. And that's 1080 01:11:02,190 --> 01:11:03,300 how it's supposed to work. 1081 01:11:03,840 --> 01:11:09,150 Dave Jones: And we we except this sort of thing. In lots of, 1082 01:11:09,630 --> 01:11:15,000 of areas of networking technology, for instance, Oh, 1083 01:11:15,000 --> 01:11:15,240 yeah. 1084 01:11:15,840 --> 01:11:18,690 Adam Curry: IP addresses. Yeah. And MAC address clashes, all 1085 01:11:18,690 --> 01:11:19,050 kinds of 1086 01:11:19,049 --> 01:11:22,379 Dave Jones: stuff clashes. Yes, addressing clashes are common. 1087 01:11:22,649 --> 01:11:26,219 And when you and the way that you resolve them is you get 1088 01:11:26,219 --> 01:11:29,729 notified of them and you go fix it. Right. So this is not an 1089 01:11:29,729 --> 01:11:36,149 issue. But the the, that is not an issue, the issue is how do we 1090 01:11:36,149 --> 01:11:41,549 resolve them? And I think this fits into the broader discussion 1091 01:11:41,579 --> 01:11:49,649 of I need to give, I need to provide tools to you primarily, 1092 01:11:49,649 --> 01:11:56,309 but then other people within the podcasting 2.0. Project, to help 1093 01:11:58,500 --> 01:12:01,590 Adam Curry: adjust and fix these things to cure these issues. 1094 01:12:01,590 --> 01:12:02,100 Yes, 1095 01:12:02,280 --> 01:12:05,340 Dave Jones: yes. So here's my initial niche, throw this out at 1096 01:12:05,340 --> 01:12:09,240 you first mind sort of initial thoughts. 1097 01:12:09,299 --> 01:12:11,129 Adam Curry: This is a point of personal privilege for the 1098 01:12:11,129 --> 01:12:13,829 board. Yes, yes. 1099 01:12:13,830 --> 01:12:15,900 Dave Jones: I would live Yes, comrade, I would like to have 1100 01:12:16,409 --> 01:12:18,659 Adam Curry: the privilege granted comrade. 1101 01:12:18,930 --> 01:12:24,900 Dave Jones: Okay. My initial thought was, you need as the 1102 01:12:24,900 --> 01:12:30,630 main, you know, help desk for podcasts index, you need a 1103 01:12:30,960 --> 01:12:36,900 dashboard. Yeah. To log into that you can just go and do a 1104 01:12:36,900 --> 01:12:41,220 couple of quick utility functions, reset the feed, which 1105 01:12:41,220 --> 01:12:45,600 clears it and pulls a fresh one. Yep. Or kills it to get all 1106 01:12:45,600 --> 01:12:48,420 together, like just those two tools alone, I think would solve 1107 01:12:48,420 --> 01:12:49,500 90% of your issues, 1108 01:12:49,500 --> 01:12:53,070 Adam Curry: right? Maybe even 95? Yeah, it's always like, hey, 1109 01:12:53,310 --> 01:12:56,190 you know, I did this, but it doesn't show up. So complete 1110 01:12:56,190 --> 01:13:01,440 refresh would be great. And get me out of your database, or the 1111 01:13:01,680 --> 01:13:05,760 I have 15 versions of my feed. Yeah, all of this is really 1112 01:13:05,760 --> 01:13:07,230 those two functions. Exactly. 1113 01:13:07,710 --> 01:13:10,410 Dave Jones: Okay, so the first two things, the reset the feed 1114 01:13:10,410 --> 01:13:15,300 from scratch, and end market as dead. Those two functions are 1115 01:13:15,300 --> 01:13:19,740 simple. The third one of those, and though and those are ones 1116 01:13:19,740 --> 01:13:27,540 that you get? The the third one seems like the bigger issue. And 1117 01:13:27,540 --> 01:13:31,350 here's what I thought on that. There needs to generally be a 1118 01:13:31,350 --> 01:13:37,020 way that we can say, okay, these, these designated 1119 01:13:37,170 --> 01:13:48,060 individuals get access to some sort of dashboard, where were 1120 01:13:48,060 --> 01:13:57,690 you, on request are given a batch of duplicate fields, then 1121 01:13:57,690 --> 01:14:03,180 you can go through and result like you can mark Okay, this one 1122 01:14:03,210 --> 01:14:07,590 is a duplicate of this, like, you can do that you can fix it, 1123 01:14:07,620 --> 01:14:15,900 you can fix up the issue. And let me know, I don't know what 1124 01:14:15,900 --> 01:14:17,580 necessarily the UI looks like that. 1125 01:14:17,669 --> 01:14:20,939 Adam Curry: But this is a D duping task. Is that what this 1126 01:14:20,939 --> 01:14:24,179 is? Uh, you can you can say, hey, I have an hour, give me 1127 01:14:24,179 --> 01:14:27,329 some dupes. And I'll run through them and see what the problem 1128 01:14:27,329 --> 01:14:29,999 is. Yes, it's called human intelligence. 1129 01:14:30,180 --> 01:14:34,140 Dave Jones: Exactly. And we know that. Well, we'll see there's a 1130 01:14:34,140 --> 01:14:39,600 better word for that unanimously. So we know that 1131 01:14:41,610 --> 01:14:45,120 there are only about 50,000 dupes in the database total. We 1132 01:14:45,120 --> 01:14:52,080 had somebody run those numbers. And so if we had, you know, an 1133 01:14:52,080 --> 01:14:55,770 army of people watching the gates so to speak, they could 1134 01:14:55,770 --> 01:14:56,970 clean that up in no time. 1135 01:14:57,000 --> 01:15:00,480 Adam Curry: Yeah, no kidding. I mean, I got time. I Should I 1136 01:15:00,480 --> 01:15:05,520 agree when asked Tina here? Do you do please? Do some homework? 1137 01:15:05,520 --> 01:15:07,830 Yeah, she'll do it. She'll do it. A lot of people will do that 1138 01:15:07,830 --> 01:15:10,410 everyone will love participating in that. Absolutely. 1139 01:15:10,979 --> 01:15:13,079 Dave Jones: And so I thought if we had if we had it laid out on 1140 01:15:13,079 --> 01:15:18,479 nice and clean where you had, okay, here are what we think 1141 01:15:18,509 --> 01:15:23,399 are. Here's a podcast where we think there are the two extra 1142 01:15:23,399 --> 01:15:29,549 duplicates. This one has an app, an iTunes ID, this one does not. 1143 01:15:29,669 --> 01:15:32,909 Here's what here's what Apple reports back as the feet what 1144 01:15:32,909 --> 01:15:38,189 the feed URL is, here's what the latest pod pain was, basically 1145 01:15:38,189 --> 01:15:40,469 just give a whole bunch of information so that somebody can 1146 01:15:40,469 --> 01:15:43,949 make an intelligent decision. And then let them go in and say, 1147 01:15:43,949 --> 01:15:47,069 Okay, this is the right one, these other two are duplicates, 1148 01:15:47,099 --> 01:15:50,579 right? Which is Mark just a couple of checkboxes done and 1149 01:15:50,579 --> 01:15:52,829 Adam Curry: what what is the what is the reason that this 1150 01:15:52,829 --> 01:15:56,249 cannot be automated? Why is it that a human needs to do this? 1151 01:15:57,029 --> 01:15:59,849 Dave Jones: Because there's a lot of edge cases that happen? 1152 01:15:59,909 --> 01:16:04,649 Okay, what what, for instance, let me give you one, there's a 1153 01:16:05,519 --> 01:16:12,149 many times you'll see a podcast, where the podcast where they 1154 01:16:12,149 --> 01:16:16,739 are, they have moved their feed from, let's just say, a cast 1155 01:16:16,739 --> 01:16:21,389 over to Buzzsprout. And they net, they did not go back and 1156 01:16:21,419 --> 01:16:27,659 update their their Apple podcast connect feed to point to the new 1157 01:16:27,659 --> 01:16:32,099 URL, so it's still pointing to the old one. So the incorrect 1158 01:16:32,099 --> 01:16:36,059 one now has an iTunes ID associated with it. The correct 1159 01:16:36,059 --> 01:16:41,309 one does not. And we can't change the old one, because we 1160 01:16:41,309 --> 01:16:45,629 have to stay in sync. For it for feeds that have iTunes ID, we 1161 01:16:45,659 --> 01:16:48,149 need to stay in sync with what Apple says. Because we have 1162 01:16:48,149 --> 01:16:53,849 people like Marco that depend on that. If we start telling, and 1163 01:16:53,849 --> 01:16:56,069 we don't know, I mean, we don't know which one is the new one, 1164 01:16:56,069 --> 01:16:58,649 because they had, they didn't, they did not change it, they 1165 01:16:58,649 --> 01:17:01,379 didn't set a redirect, they've just messed, they've essentially 1166 01:17:01,379 --> 01:17:06,269 just messed their feet up. And some a human has to go in there 1167 01:17:06,269 --> 01:17:09,479 and work through that and say, Okay, this is what's going on. 1168 01:17:11,609 --> 01:17:14,669 And so there's there's just issues like that. Sometimes it's 1169 01:17:14,669 --> 01:17:20,969 a categories issue like WordPress, we don't there, there 1170 01:17:20,969 --> 01:17:21,569 might be 1171 01:17:21,630 --> 01:17:25,890 Adam Curry: how about this? I've thought? So, um, clearly there's 1172 01:17:25,890 --> 01:17:34,830 a whole bunch of of edge cases, is it possible to hand off this, 1173 01:17:36,570 --> 01:17:43,980 this process to people using apps. And so here's my thinking, 1174 01:17:44,280 --> 01:17:46,080 because someone just said something in the chat room, 1175 01:17:46,080 --> 01:17:50,070 which I liked. Meet us. So if you had it, if you hand it off 1176 01:17:50,070 --> 01:17:58,080 to users of apps, and you say, for every Correct. D duping that 1177 01:17:58,080 --> 01:18:01,740 you do, we'll give you 100 Satoshis. Now, when they do 1178 01:18:01,740 --> 01:18:06,120 this, they it doesn't necessarily delete anything or 1179 01:18:06,120 --> 01:18:10,260 change anything database right away, but it creates a list that 1180 01:18:10,260 --> 01:18:14,190 can then be looked at by someone who has the power and says, 1181 01:18:14,190 --> 01:18:19,110 okay, good, good, good, good, good, good, good. Or is that 1182 01:18:19,110 --> 01:18:20,580 complicating things too much? 1183 01:18:22,050 --> 01:18:23,400 Dave Jones: That's not no, that's not that's not 1184 01:18:23,400 --> 01:18:25,260 complicating things too much. I think we would still have to 1185 01:18:25,260 --> 01:18:27,540 have some sort of approval process that would lead, 1186 01:18:27,570 --> 01:18:30,420 Adam Curry: right. But the approval process would be, you 1187 01:18:30,420 --> 01:18:35,310 know, a trusted person. But you basically say, hey, help help 1188 01:18:35,310 --> 01:18:39,480 the index. And because people find this stuff all the time, 1189 01:18:39,990 --> 01:18:43,230 you can actually say, hey, use this app, and we'll give you a 1190 01:18:43,230 --> 01:18:48,360 reward. Is that a crazy thought? 1191 01:18:48,930 --> 01:18:50,550 Dave Jones: No, not a crazy thought. I'm just thinking 1192 01:18:50,550 --> 01:18:56,970 through the you really need two layers of sort of validation on 1193 01:18:56,970 --> 01:19:00,390 that you would want? Yeah, of course, you'd want the people, 1194 01:19:01,080 --> 01:19:03,300 you'd want a small group of people that could approve a 1195 01:19:03,300 --> 01:19:07,080 change, correct. And then you would want a slightly larger 1196 01:19:07,080 --> 01:19:10,170 group of people that were still had to go still had to be given 1197 01:19:10,170 --> 01:19:14,880 the the approval or the rights to get into this ability to, 1198 01:19:15,239 --> 01:19:18,029 Adam Curry: okay, maybe gamifying it too early, maybe 1199 01:19:18,029 --> 01:19:20,699 it's not not something that should be gamified. Well, 1200 01:19:21,180 --> 01:19:23,580 Dave Jones: but the reason being is that you you're just gonna 1201 01:19:23,580 --> 01:19:27,000 get me the potential, there's just you get blown up, okay. I 1202 01:19:27,000 --> 01:19:31,110 mean, with 10,000 requests a day, I mean, like, it's just 1203 01:19:31,140 --> 01:19:33,480 you, somebody's gonna write a bot on it, and you're just gonna 1204 01:19:33,480 --> 01:19:33,960 get screwed. 1205 01:19:34,290 --> 01:19:37,230 Adam Curry: Gotcha, gotcha. Okay. Well, we could, I'm just 1206 01:19:37,230 --> 01:19:40,290 saying that. I'm sure that there's a group of five people I 1207 01:19:40,290 --> 01:19:44,220 can think of right now who would be happy to do this work. Maybe 1208 01:19:44,640 --> 01:19:48,960 we can have trusted people who use their apps to do this. I'm 1209 01:19:48,960 --> 01:19:51,330 just thinking ahead. But I understand what you're saying. 1210 01:19:51,330 --> 01:19:55,320 And yeah, what do we do? What do we need to get this done? 1211 01:19:56,340 --> 01:20:02,700 Dave Jones: Yes, I think I think bottom line is we, we have a 1212 01:20:02,700 --> 01:20:07,170 strategy now for the good stuff with what Brian has, has made. I 1213 01:20:07,170 --> 01:20:11,310 think it fits with what I had originally developed, I think 1214 01:20:11,310 --> 01:20:15,510 those fit together pretty nicely. So then, now really, 1215 01:20:15,510 --> 01:20:18,720 it's all about just making sure the data is clean. I think 1216 01:20:18,720 --> 01:20:21,780 that's, that's our biggest thing right now. Because the goods 1217 01:20:21,780 --> 01:20:25,770 will now goods will work now, as long as we have clean data, 1218 01:20:26,940 --> 01:20:30,960 where we don't have these dupes. So I think that's really, I 1219 01:20:30,960 --> 01:20:32,820 think that's kind of an important next step I need to 1220 01:20:32,820 --> 01:20:36,510 take because you need these. Hell, I need these things. I 1221 01:20:36,510 --> 01:20:39,120 need a dashboard to fix this stuff. I'm manually changing 1222 01:20:39,120 --> 01:20:41,400 things in the database. This is not fun. 1223 01:20:41,520 --> 01:20:44,280 Adam Curry: I saw when I was watching your screencast, your 1224 01:20:46,050 --> 01:20:51,060 your dude named Ben cast. I saw those little PHP scripts you had 1225 01:20:51,060 --> 01:20:53,400 on the left hand side of my Oh, look at all that cool stuff. You 1226 01:20:53,400 --> 01:20:56,580 can run a PHP script does that it does that you had all these 1227 01:20:56,580 --> 01:20:59,970 cool little things that that you could do you have some tools, 1228 01:20:59,970 --> 01:21:03,690 but I'm like, just give me some give me tools. Let me play with 1229 01:21:03,690 --> 01:21:04,500 the tools. Man. 1230 01:21:05,040 --> 01:21:07,710 Dave Jones: I don't want to have to SSH into a server in order to 1231 01:21:07,740 --> 01:21:11,400 run a script called no clean these duplicates dot php. 1232 01:21:12,720 --> 01:21:15,270 Adam Curry: Exactly. Okay. I think that's I think that's a 1233 01:21:15,270 --> 01:21:16,050 great idea. 1234 01:21:18,300 --> 01:21:21,390 Dave Jones: way forward. Yeah. And I don't think this is hard 1235 01:21:21,390 --> 01:21:24,150 to write because it doesn't have to be beautiful. It just has to 1236 01:21:24,150 --> 01:21:24,840 be functional. 1237 01:21:26,460 --> 01:21:30,450 Adam Curry: I know I'm, I'm all in you tell me. I mean, I would 1238 01:21:30,480 --> 01:21:33,900 I've of course I'm I know you well enough. I know what you're 1239 01:21:33,900 --> 01:21:36,330 doing. You're busy. I'm not going to keep saying hey, man, 1240 01:21:36,330 --> 01:21:38,940 give me some tools. Give me some tools. It bothers me 1241 01:21:38,939 --> 01:21:41,519 Dave Jones: too. Because people want to help people are asking 1242 01:21:41,519 --> 01:21:44,639 to help you and I and I go, like I don't have anything to give 1243 01:21:44,639 --> 01:21:46,739 them. And so I want I need to be able to give them something. 1244 01:21:46,890 --> 01:21:49,920 Adam Curry: Well, why don't you just wipe your slate clean 1245 01:21:50,399 --> 01:21:53,669 Dave Jones: and clean? It dun dun we 1246 01:21:53,670 --> 01:21:57,270 Adam Curry: love it. We love it. I wanted to just make note for 1247 01:21:57,270 --> 01:22:01,350 everybody that we did have a situation, which luckily, of 1248 01:22:01,350 --> 01:22:05,910 course, was not a big problem. But Alby went down for a little 1249 01:22:05,910 --> 01:22:10,050 bit there the other day. And, you know, you see the result of 1250 01:22:10,050 --> 01:22:16,830 a centralized system. There are other fallbacks possible. There 1251 01:22:16,830 --> 01:22:20,550 are other, you know, other lightning service providers out 1252 01:22:20,550 --> 01:22:22,620 there. Just want to remind everybody, you got to be 1253 01:22:22,620 --> 01:22:27,150 careful. I guess that's all I wanted to say. I love Alby. I 1254 01:22:27,150 --> 01:22:31,950 love what get alby.com I love what they're doing. But, you 1255 01:22:31,950 --> 01:22:34,620 know, this, what are you laughing at? 1256 01:22:35,219 --> 01:22:37,679 Dave Jones: Sorry, it's just Steven some Steven bass in the 1257 01:22:37,679 --> 01:22:38,009 chat. 1258 01:22:40,290 --> 01:22:44,340 Adam Curry: I see what you're saying. Boy, man, do you talk to 1259 01:22:44,340 --> 01:22:45,630 your wife that way? Steven B. 1260 01:22:47,369 --> 01:22:48,779 Dave Jones: Do you kiss your mama with that mouth? 1261 01:22:51,210 --> 01:22:53,100 Adam Curry: Let's just make sure we're all smart about these 1262 01:22:53,100 --> 01:22:56,220 things. You know, especially for podcasters. You know, there's 1263 01:22:56,220 --> 01:23:00,300 still things you may want to consider to have alternate by 1264 01:23:00,300 --> 01:23:03,180 the way. I'm also running my Of course I am because I have 1265 01:23:03,180 --> 01:23:07,770 helipad. I'm running my lightning node. On the Start OS. 1266 01:23:08,160 --> 01:23:13,260 It's stable, man. It's stable. I mean, you know, I have to nurse 1267 01:23:13,260 --> 01:23:17,370 my Umbral all the time. And this thing is just I've set it up and 1268 01:23:17,370 --> 01:23:19,920 it's just run since the day I set it up and has not been a 1269 01:23:19,920 --> 01:23:20,400 problem. 1270 01:23:21,420 --> 01:23:24,810 Dave Jones: Is it using l&d? Yeah, you can 1271 01:23:24,810 --> 01:23:29,010 Adam Curry: use multiple ones? I'm using lnd lnd. It has. It 1272 01:23:29,010 --> 01:23:33,330 has multiple lightning implementations you can use. 1273 01:23:33,810 --> 01:23:37,290 Dave Jones: Have you ever used see lightning? No. No, I'm kind 1274 01:23:37,290 --> 01:23:39,540 of itching to try it. No, no. Do you? 1275 01:23:40,560 --> 01:23:41,460 Adam Curry: First you need to build. 1276 01:23:43,409 --> 01:23:45,929 Dave Jones: Thank you. Thank you. Yes, this is what this is 1277 01:23:45,929 --> 01:23:49,199 one of your this is one of your functions here is Stop, 1278 01:23:49,199 --> 01:23:52,109 Adam Curry: stop, stop. Stop. So. And with that, I also want 1279 01:23:52,109 --> 01:23:56,519 to thank Todd Cochran for a fun idea that blueberry is doing to 1280 01:23:56,519 --> 01:24:01,139 podcasting 2.0 badge. Oh, I like that. Yeah, that has warded when 1281 01:24:01,139 --> 01:24:06,329 a podcaster uses five 2.0 features, which is kind of what 1282 01:24:06,329 --> 01:24:09,989 I thought the podcast Standards Project will be doing. You know, 1283 01:24:09,989 --> 01:24:13,349 I liked it. The Todd has taken the lead on this. This is good. 1284 01:24:13,379 --> 01:24:16,109 This is good thing to do. It's a cool logo. That guy's a cool 1285 01:24:16,109 --> 01:24:16,739 badge. 1286 01:24:17,249 --> 01:24:18,629 Dave Jones: I'm a sucker for badges. 1287 01:24:19,710 --> 01:24:23,400 Adam Curry: I love badges. Badges are very cool. Yeah, 1288 01:24:23,460 --> 01:24:25,200 absolutely. Absolutely want 1289 01:24:25,200 --> 01:24:27,120 Dave Jones: to. We want to do some hot names based on 1290 01:24:27,960 --> 01:24:30,060 Adam Curry: just one other thing before we do the hot namespace 1291 01:24:30,060 --> 01:24:36,180 talk. I learned a lot about the fountain transcripts. So indeed, 1292 01:24:36,180 --> 01:24:40,020 once one person has created a transcript, no one else has to 1293 01:24:40,020 --> 01:24:43,650 pay for it. It's just available. And I saw requests come through 1294 01:24:43,680 --> 01:24:46,890 that said hey, once a transcripts created, it'd be 1295 01:24:46,890 --> 01:24:49,710 great if the podcast could down. I think chemistry bloggers had 1296 01:24:49,710 --> 01:24:52,980 this. The podcast, you can download an SRT file, put it 1297 01:24:52,980 --> 01:24:56,100 into their feed and then use it for other apps. I was like, wow. 1298 01:24:56,130 --> 01:24:59,640 And I asked I was like, Yeah, that's a great idea. Let's do 1299 01:24:59,670 --> 01:25:03,570 that. stat. Cool. That's some collaboration right there. That 1300 01:25:03,570 --> 01:25:06,810 was very beautiful, beautiful to see that happening. And then of 1301 01:25:06,810 --> 01:25:11,430 course, I realized, found transcripts are very, very fast. 1302 01:25:11,880 --> 01:25:15,600 What they aren't doing is they aren't doing speakers, you know 1303 01:25:15,630 --> 01:25:19,590 who the who the speaker is. So I don't know if that adds a lot of 1304 01:25:20,370 --> 01:25:24,180 that adds a lot of processing time to creating the transcript. 1305 01:25:24,840 --> 01:25:26,880 But that would be a prerequisite. I mean, I would 1306 01:25:27,300 --> 01:25:31,800 look I pay $20 a month to otter. If I can get my transcripts from 1307 01:25:31,800 --> 01:25:35,760 fountain I'll pay fountain 20 bucks. But I do I do need 1308 01:25:35,760 --> 01:25:41,730 speaker names. Tom just saying you know, there's a lot of 1309 01:25:41,730 --> 01:25:42,720 opportunity here. 1310 01:25:44,040 --> 01:25:46,260 Dave Jones: Opportunity you need. You need speaker names 1311 01:25:46,260 --> 01:25:47,700 because that like for we 1312 01:25:47,699 --> 01:25:51,239 Adam Curry: need it for Mark. We just need it for Mark. Let's be 1313 01:25:51,239 --> 01:25:54,149 honest, the cartoon bubbles are cool was crap. 1314 01:25:54,149 --> 01:25:56,129 Dave Jones: I love that because that thing's beautiful. When you 1315 01:25:56,129 --> 01:25:58,649 see it, you don't ever want to not have no you actually 1316 01:25:58,650 --> 01:26:00,450 Adam Curry: you're looking at your app while you're listening. 1317 01:26:00,450 --> 01:26:02,250 Like oh, there's Dave. There's Adam. There's Dave. There's 1318 01:26:02,250 --> 01:26:02,520 Adam. 1319 01:26:03,030 --> 01:26:05,670 Dave Jones: Adam. Oh, we got we got Martin on the show next 1320 01:26:05,670 --> 01:26:06,990 week, by the way. So we're 1321 01:26:07,020 --> 01:26:09,390 Adam Curry: Oh, cool. Cool. Cool. Cool. And Android 2.0. 1322 01:26:09,420 --> 01:26:13,260 Yeah. And he's he's going through his app cycle now. Which 1323 01:26:13,260 --> 01:26:18,630 is always fun. Yeah. I have high hopes for him. High Hopes 1324 01:26:19,229 --> 01:26:21,749 Dave Jones: Yes. As secure Yeah. I think you're right. That's 1325 01:26:21,749 --> 01:26:22,739 that's kind of a 1326 01:26:24,210 --> 01:26:26,520 Adam Curry: and we have a new rules. We have a new rule for 1327 01:26:26,520 --> 01:26:32,070 guests. New rules. guests get to choose the song we play. Oh, 1328 01:26:32,250 --> 01:26:36,090 yeah, like that. roars the new rule new rule. So Martin, choose 1329 01:26:36,090 --> 01:26:39,780 a song of course it has to be 2.0. Enable. Choose wisely. 1330 01:26:40,380 --> 01:26:42,810 Choose wisely by friend. Exactly. 1331 01:26:44,369 --> 01:26:48,779 Unknown: And now it's time for some hot namespace talk. 1332 01:26:51,000 --> 01:26:52,680 Adam Curry: We are Yeah, 1333 01:26:52,979 --> 01:26:58,049 Dave Jones: yeah, we closed face six. So that one's No more No 1334 01:26:58,049 --> 01:27:05,099 more tag proposals. Submitting is allowed. We've got let's see 1335 01:27:05,099 --> 01:27:13,199 here. It looks like we've got six tags is that right? 1234567 1336 01:27:13,199 --> 01:27:18,929 tags remote item. So this basically this is frozen now 1337 01:27:18,929 --> 01:27:22,739 where we made ditch some tags but we're not going to add the 1338 01:27:22,739 --> 01:27:25,949 Adam Curry: space six ice you can't change no melting it's 1339 01:27:25,949 --> 01:27:26,579 iced. 1340 01:27:26,789 --> 01:27:29,729 Dave Jones: Yep. It's on ISIS. So remote. We got remote item, 1341 01:27:30,569 --> 01:27:33,569 which is straight straightforward. It's already 1342 01:27:33,569 --> 01:27:36,749 written out. We got list the list mediums that's easy. That's 1343 01:27:36,749 --> 01:27:44,249 just an add just an addendum. The the accepts guest I've got a 1344 01:27:44,249 --> 01:27:47,909 question mark on that. Pod roll. That's already written up. 1345 01:27:47,909 --> 01:27:54,089 That's that's good to go. update frequency. Nathan gathright did 1346 01:27:54,089 --> 01:27:57,209 a PR for that, that I've got to merge. But that one's I've just 1347 01:27:57,209 --> 01:27:59,819 got to review it. I'm sure I mean, he's he's top notch. So 1348 01:27:59,819 --> 01:28:04,439 I'm sure that one's fine. Nice. Pod pink tag is something that 1349 01:28:05,159 --> 01:28:10,049 that Alex and Brian and anybody who uses pod ping needs it 1350 01:28:10,049 --> 01:28:12,779 because it's got it's got metadata in there for how the 1351 01:28:12,779 --> 01:28:17,129 feed interacts with POD ping. And then the value time split. 1352 01:28:17,730 --> 01:28:20,610 Adam Curry: Nice. That's a good phase, 1353 01:28:21,119 --> 01:28:23,369 Dave Jones: as a good batch. And so I think accepts guests is the 1354 01:28:23,369 --> 01:28:27,029 only one I've gotten concerns about, I think we may think we 1355 01:28:27,029 --> 01:28:30,329 may need to need a booth there. Because I still don't know that 1356 01:28:30,329 --> 01:28:38,489 that has to be its own tag. To me that it. It's just a it's 1357 01:28:38,489 --> 01:28:39,179 like a gimme. 1358 01:28:39,210 --> 01:28:42,030 Adam Curry: It's like a gimme that people want I mean, no, 1359 01:28:42,030 --> 01:28:44,910 it's like it's for people who don't have I mean, I get email. 1360 01:28:45,840 --> 01:28:48,660 It's just, Oh, you want less email? Okay, well, why don't you 1361 01:28:48,690 --> 01:28:51,750 just, you know, what we need is we need the list of all these 1362 01:28:51,750 --> 01:28:55,620 people, all these PR people who email podcasters and then put 1363 01:28:55,620 --> 01:29:00,150 them in your spam list. Yeah, write a rule. I mean, I don't 1364 01:29:00,150 --> 01:29:02,520 mind that, you know, people ask me all the time, oh, I got this 1365 01:29:02,520 --> 01:29:05,340 great person for this guest. Now, of course, I don't take 1366 01:29:05,340 --> 01:29:09,960 guests on, on on no agenda or any of my other shows. But it 1367 01:29:09,960 --> 01:29:11,610 doesn't bother me that much. 1368 01:29:11,819 --> 01:29:14,219 Dave Jones: And I guess my difficulty with this specific 1369 01:29:14,219 --> 01:29:19,979 tag is that it's a lot of tag for only one small purpose. And 1370 01:29:19,979 --> 01:29:25,319 I understand that you have that there's other tags that fit into 1371 01:29:25,319 --> 01:29:27,839 the same category. So let's just say how about 1372 01:29:27,840 --> 01:29:32,130 Adam Curry: this? I have an idea. Alright. Can we just have 1373 01:29:32,130 --> 01:29:36,750 some kind of API endpoint that looks and it sees if there's a 1374 01:29:36,750 --> 01:29:41,640 guest in the person tag, that that spits out a list of here's 1375 01:29:41,640 --> 01:29:44,400 everything and then people can use that list and spam them. 1376 01:29:45,330 --> 01:29:45,930 It's, 1377 01:29:46,230 --> 01:29:47,850 Dave Jones: it's a spam list. 1378 01:29:48,390 --> 01:29:50,370 Adam Curry: That's what it's gonna get used for. I mean, you 1379 01:29:50,370 --> 01:29:51,180 know, it's like, 1380 01:29:51,600 --> 01:29:54,240 Dave Jones: no, no, that's a pretty good idea, by the way. 1381 01:29:54,510 --> 01:29:57,300 Adam Curry: Yeah, just a thought. Make that make that 1382 01:29:57,300 --> 01:29:58,770 available to PR people. 1383 01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:04,020 Dave Jones: use AI he's Chad. Yeah. Yeah, 1384 01:30:04,739 --> 01:30:07,469 Adam Curry: there it is Chad gptc Every everything we don't 1385 01:30:07,469 --> 01:30:10,109 want to do we just you can use chat GPG for that. 1386 01:30:11,130 --> 01:30:16,500 Dave Jones: Can Can I I mean can I just say that at this if if if 1387 01:30:16,500 --> 01:30:20,580 large language models are this good? Why do we still have 1388 01:30:20,610 --> 01:30:22,200 transcripts that are inaccurate? 1389 01:30:22,889 --> 01:30:26,909 Adam Curry: Why do I still have spam? Exactly why do fools fall 1390 01:30:26,909 --> 01:30:34,979 in love honest about GPC you should be able to fix that they 1391 01:30:34,979 --> 01:30:38,189 should know this. Sorry, this lady is not compatible with you. 1392 01:30:39,000 --> 01:30:43,860 Dave Jones: There. I mean, the one thing that is that is in the 1393 01:30:43,860 --> 01:30:50,070 large language model wheelhouse is Grammatik and link 1394 01:30:50,070 --> 01:30:56,250 grammatical and linguistic structure is I know what words 1395 01:30:56,250 --> 01:31:00,720 make sense coming before and after this word, or before and 1396 01:31:00,720 --> 01:31:05,850 after this phrase. I should never have a bad transcript ever 1397 01:31:05,850 --> 01:31:06,420 again. 1398 01:31:06,989 --> 01:31:10,619 Adam Curry: No, of course. Of course not. And obviously we do. 1399 01:31:11,399 --> 01:31:14,819 Dave Jones: So something's gotta give anyway. I agree with you. I 1400 01:31:14,819 --> 01:31:16,049 agree. Somebody's lying. 1401 01:31:16,890 --> 01:31:17,670 Adam Curry: Something's up. 1402 01:31:19,859 --> 01:31:21,419 Dave Jones: I don't know. I think we should I think we 1403 01:31:21,419 --> 01:31:24,539 should just boot accepts guests for now. Okay, I don't think 1404 01:31:24,539 --> 01:31:26,939 anybody's feelings are gonna be hurt by this. I mean, like James 1405 01:31:26,939 --> 01:31:30,359 proposed it, but I don't I don't get the sense that he's like, 1406 01:31:30,449 --> 01:31:32,009 it's a he'll he's gonna die. 1407 01:31:32,220 --> 01:31:35,910 Adam Curry: Pod roll is in there. No. It is. Yeah. Isn't 1408 01:31:35,910 --> 01:31:37,050 the pod roll is good. 1409 01:31:37,590 --> 01:31:39,720 Dave Jones: James, if you're highly offended by booting 1410 01:31:39,720 --> 01:31:43,860 accepts, yes, please tell me. I mean, here's ultimately what I 1411 01:31:43,860 --> 01:31:48,270 feel like these, these are flags. And I keep coming back to 1412 01:31:48,270 --> 01:31:51,300 the idea that we just need sort of, like, let's just call it 1413 01:31:51,300 --> 01:31:59,610 podcast, colon flags. And it's a list of or just or, or just 1414 01:31:59,640 --> 01:32:05,400 called podcast, colon flag. And it's except guests. You know, 1415 01:32:05,550 --> 01:32:10,020 trial, trial feed, blah, blah, blah, like, just a bunch of like 1416 01:32:10,020 --> 01:32:13,470 one, prop just a bunch of properties, or even just put it 1417 01:32:13,470 --> 01:32:15,840 in the TXT record. Let's just put it in the TAs. 1418 01:32:15,989 --> 01:32:18,269 Adam Curry: All right, I'm gonna I'm going to ease the pain. 1419 01:32:19,019 --> 01:32:22,439 Reading. Alright, is it? What phase was alternate enclosure 1420 01:32:22,439 --> 01:32:29,069 in? That's like three or four? Three? Yeah, I have a request 1421 01:32:29,069 --> 01:32:35,279 for Steven B, who is the the Wizard of sovereign feeds.com. 1422 01:32:35,789 --> 01:32:39,989 My request for Steven B is I would like to have an altered 1423 01:32:39,989 --> 01:32:44,909 enclosure, spit out in my feed that I can put an IPFS link in. 1424 01:32:46,019 --> 01:32:49,919 Because once I create the IPFS link, maybe I can convince an 1425 01:32:49,919 --> 01:32:54,689 app or to to which obviously will be curio caster. To accept 1426 01:32:54,689 --> 01:32:58,379 that because I'm running a node, I'd like to get that crankin I'd 1427 01:32:58,379 --> 01:33:02,939 like to use it. I'd like to see if IPFS actually scales with 1428 01:33:02,939 --> 01:33:06,149 podcasts. And that would be my request. 1429 01:33:06,689 --> 01:33:09,659 Dave Jones: You are publishing a feed on IPFS right now? Yes, I 1430 01:33:09,659 --> 01:33:12,449 am. Which ones the no agenda are 1431 01:33:13,199 --> 01:33:16,679 Adam Curry: all of my feeds all of my feeds. Okay. And I and I 1432 01:33:16,679 --> 01:33:20,879 will use it for all of them. And there's people you I can see in 1433 01:33:20,879 --> 01:33:21,959 the well hold on a second. 1434 01:33:22,409 --> 01:33:23,939 Dave Jones: If I look at Cameron's code, right, 1435 01:33:24,119 --> 01:33:27,299 Adam Curry: yes. IPFS let me just check for a second IPFS 1436 01:33:27,299 --> 01:33:32,009 podcasting dotnet let me just log is such a such a elegant 1437 01:33:32,009 --> 01:33:36,269 system he's created here. I'm also you know, I'm pinning them 1438 01:33:36,269 --> 01:33:39,599 all so I'm hosting them all forever, all all previous 1439 01:33:39,599 --> 01:33:43,169 episodes, etc. Anything that's in the feed all a second just 1440 01:33:43,169 --> 01:33:50,159 needs to log in. And I have two nodes running. Just take 1441 01:33:50,729 --> 01:33:53,879 Dave Jones: notes. Yeah, yeah. One's running on the Start nine 1442 01:33:53,879 --> 01:33:54,629 and Where's the other one running? 1443 01:33:55,050 --> 01:33:58,230 Adam Curry: On the Umbro? Yeah. Okay, so let me see for 1444 01:33:58,230 --> 01:34:01,890 podcasting. 2.0 Let me see, because I can tell 1445 01:34:07,079 --> 01:34:12,599 there's a little lag obviously, Episode 134 had two downloads 1446 01:34:12,599 --> 01:34:22,229 133 had five 132 had 38 Toilet scroller 131 had 29 so it's in 1447 01:34:22,229 --> 01:34:29,939 the 20s and 30s after a while. Let's see no agenda has that we 1448 01:34:29,939 --> 01:34:38,399 have an ad downloads here 2937 62 So it varies. And you 1449 01:34:38,399 --> 01:34:43,289 can and there's at least seven nodes hosting it. So you know, 1450 01:34:43,289 --> 01:34:46,289 it's like there's something there it's it's in its infancy, 1451 01:34:46,919 --> 01:34:49,709 but I kind of believe in it. I believe in this stuff. 1452 01:34:50,790 --> 01:34:52,080 Dave Jones: Okay, yeah, well, I 1453 01:34:52,080 --> 01:34:55,620 Adam Curry: mean like, so that was my my requests even my 1454 01:34:55,620 --> 01:34:58,170 request to see even be like he doesn't have enough an 1455 01:34:58,169 --> 01:35:00,899 Dave Jones: alternate enclosure. You wanna you? Want to nappy? 1456 01:35:00,899 --> 01:35:02,489 IPSs alternate enclosure tag? 1457 01:35:02,640 --> 01:35:06,540 Adam Curry: Yeah. I mean, yes, yes, that's what I want and IPFS 1458 01:35:06,540 --> 01:35:09,480 alternate enclosure tag, and that will make James happy. 1459 01:35:10,560 --> 01:35:14,160 Because he wants people using alternate enclosure. He wants to 1460 01:35:14,700 --> 01:35:17,220 he wants to push the alternate enclosure. Now he uses it in a 1461 01:35:17,220 --> 01:35:21,270 different way he's thinking of lower bandwidth, which is fine 1462 01:35:21,270 --> 01:35:25,860 lower bandwidth versions. But you know, I think 1463 01:35:26,189 --> 01:35:28,439 Dave Jones: that when you can have IPFS and has more bandwidth 1464 01:35:28,469 --> 01:35:29,159 Yeah, exactly. 1465 01:35:29,399 --> 01:35:32,339 Adam Curry: Let's use it for more bandwidth. Screw you Africa 1466 01:35:35,069 --> 01:35:38,669 Shall we thanks for people hear Dave. Oh, yeah, sure. Yeah, 1467 01:35:38,669 --> 01:35:43,499 let's take some people because man we we have quite a few 1468 01:35:43,499 --> 01:35:46,499 booths that have been coming through let's see right off the 1469 01:35:46,499 --> 01:35:50,249 bat so do 13 seconds ago 2222 from Martin you heard it 1470 01:35:50,279 --> 01:35:52,589 approached me was shady proposals to get your song 1471 01:35:52,589 --> 01:35:56,069 played next week. Okay Martin. Martin from 1472 01:35:56,909 --> 01:35:59,069 Dave Jones: I like the I like this turning it around and 1473 01:35:59,069 --> 01:36:00,629 getting money for this is good idea. 1474 01:36:00,720 --> 01:36:03,780 Adam Curry: That's how it should work man payola is everything. 1475 01:36:04,620 --> 01:36:10,260 Satchel Richards from blueberry. Excuse me 11,111 He says people 1476 01:36:10,260 --> 01:36:13,140 on national agenda social be like I hate this place. Nothing 1477 01:36:13,140 --> 01:36:15,660 works here the medications don't work. I've been here for seven 1478 01:36:15,660 --> 01:36:22,680 years. Exactly. Exactly. I am Mr. Robot with a boo boos 808 1479 01:36:22,680 --> 01:36:25,950 Deva feel your pain but in the sysadmin helpdesk role for over 1480 01:36:25,950 --> 01:36:29,310 20 years Never underestimate the power of the problems created 1481 01:36:29,310 --> 01:36:34,950 between the chair and the keyboard. Go podcasting. We got 1482 01:36:34,950 --> 01:36:38,640 marks or Mark s 3111 Fountain needs to send a push 1483 01:36:38,640 --> 01:36:41,070 notification when the episode goes live. Didn't see one come 1484 01:36:41,070 --> 01:36:44,130 through. That's correct. That's not working yet. That's being 1485 01:36:44,130 --> 01:36:48,360 worked on from what I understand. 9999 from lavish I'm 1486 01:36:48,360 --> 01:36:51,690 sure that was during the song from halfway to somewhere and 1487 01:36:51,690 --> 01:36:57,150 because he said fonecare 10,000 SATs from Martin He's on a roll 1488 01:36:57,150 --> 01:36:59,820 here just want to say pod friend at the moment only supports the 1489 01:36:59,820 --> 01:37:02,700 value times but after an episode has been released, not lit 1490 01:37:02,700 --> 01:37:05,430 episodes Understood. I'll hopefully be implementing the 1491 01:37:05,430 --> 01:37:07,680 code over the next couple of weeks get your WebSocket 1492 01:37:07,680 --> 01:37:11,790 listener ready. So right now, please use current curio caster 1493 01:37:11,790 --> 01:37:17,430 if you're listening lit go short ro a duck's 20 to 22 from hard 1494 01:37:17,430 --> 01:37:23,430 hat. And this may be from her about twice as no name on this 1495 01:37:23,430 --> 01:37:28,080 other 110 1000 from Martin if you play my song I'll pay you an 1496 01:37:28,080 --> 01:37:32,160 exposure to he's what is it? What the Danish man you guys 1497 01:37:32,160 --> 01:37:36,900 incorrupt that's all you can think of I'm thinking new 1498 01:37:36,900 --> 01:37:39,120 industry. Martin's thinking corruption. 1499 01:37:40,470 --> 01:37:41,940 Dave Jones: Well, he's got a he's got a fiend he's got a 1500 01:37:41,940 --> 01:37:43,770 Polish wise so that means like, 1501 01:37:43,890 --> 01:37:51,480 Adam Curry: wow, racist. Dave jokes. Mark asked marks 3111 1502 01:37:51,480 --> 01:37:53,910 listening live for the first time to fall in love it Yes. 1503 01:37:53,940 --> 01:37:58,140 Welcome all fountain listeners. Anonymous one on one Oh 1010 1504 01:37:58,140 --> 01:38:00,810 Blueberry pod press and publisher now has a chapter 1505 01:38:00,810 --> 01:38:04,740 builder. That's right. That's right. Beautiful. We love that 1506 01:38:04,770 --> 01:38:12,060 more tools. Mike Newman 8675 8675 pod friend 2.0. iOS 1507 01:38:12,060 --> 01:38:16,350 beta boost edge. Nice. Thank you for your courage. So that's the 1508 01:38:16,380 --> 01:38:21,840 he's on testflight, so it works beautiful. Some quack with two 1509 01:38:21,840 --> 01:38:24,960 to two conspiracy theory booths Oh, I'm sorry there's no agenda 1510 01:38:24,960 --> 01:38:29,340 boost of course. We'll take it we'll take right other way up 1511 01:38:29,340 --> 01:38:35,190 booths 50,000 sets and says please one large pepperoni okay, 1512 01:38:35,910 --> 01:38:38,460 I was during the Help Desk talk I guess has something to do with 1513 01:38:38,460 --> 01:38:45,480 that. We have Brian of London 31,948 31948 and Israeli freedom 1514 01:38:45,480 --> 01:38:49,080 boost when Dave talks about Help Desk I immediately picture him 1515 01:38:49,080 --> 01:38:52,380 in the IT Crowd telling someone to turn it off and on again. 1516 01:38:53,819 --> 01:38:56,069 Dave Jones: There's some of that yeah, I'm sure that's when I 1517 01:38:56,069 --> 01:38:56,399 tell my 1518 01:38:56,399 --> 01:38:59,939 Adam Curry: wife turn off work app Apple stuff usually that 1519 01:38:59,939 --> 01:39:07,319 works. Cotton Gin 7777 Scissors run my world correct anonymous 1520 01:39:07,319 --> 01:39:16,079 with a nice row of ducks 22,222 Catch up boosts Why does my lb 1521 01:39:16,079 --> 01:39:20,519 wallet keep just disconnecting from pod bursts? I don't know. I 1522 01:39:20,519 --> 01:39:23,549 think that's mainly because they had no problems i It's been 1523 01:39:23,549 --> 01:39:26,669 pretty stable for me I had a lot of issues with that and everyone 1524 01:39:26,669 --> 01:39:31,169 fix something and I really haven't seen that but I had one 1525 01:39:31,169 --> 01:39:32,009 silly trouble 1526 01:39:32,010 --> 01:39:34,770 Dave Jones: with Abby's wallet over the last week and then all 1527 01:39:34,770 --> 01:39:37,050 of a sudden it just fixed itself and now it's fine 1528 01:39:38,399 --> 01:39:41,999 Adam Curry: yeah, and we can see that in our in our daily boost 1529 01:39:41,999 --> 01:39:45,989 total to when Alby has problems it hurts everybody benefits 1530 01:39:45,989 --> 01:39:50,099 centralization. We've already been through that. Free Money 1531 01:39:50,099 --> 01:39:54,029 monkey 15,000 SATs Hello boosting from pod verse well 1532 01:39:54,029 --> 01:39:59,129 hello to you. Tone record 2222 new air idea Dave's nightstand 1533 01:39:59,159 --> 01:40:02,909 new podcast. I As our new pocket Dave's knights Oh for your books 1534 01:40:03,719 --> 01:40:06,569 oh yes podcast again 1535 01:40:06,569 --> 01:40:08,879 Dave Jones: on my nightstand right now I've got a still got 1536 01:40:09,239 --> 01:40:12,089 the secrets of this simple will be on the nightstand for at 1537 01:40:12,089 --> 01:40:16,559 least another year because it's 700 pages. The I've also got 1538 01:40:16,739 --> 01:40:20,579 Orsi Orthodoxy is on there because I'm about two thirds of 1539 01:40:20,579 --> 01:40:23,489 the way through that. Oh, there's another there's a new 1540 01:40:23,489 --> 01:40:28,829 addition to the nightstand right now which is a book about I wish 1541 01:40:28,829 --> 01:40:32,159 I could remember. Oh, it's called a question of sedition. 1542 01:40:33,119 --> 01:40:39,239 It is a book. I think the subtitle is censorship of the 1543 01:40:39,239 --> 01:40:45,209 black press during World War Two. Like it is. It is a read 1544 01:40:45,209 --> 01:40:46,349 let me tell you, I mean like 1545 01:40:49,949 --> 01:40:51,179 Unknown: yummy, yummy, yummy. 1546 01:40:51,600 --> 01:40:54,570 Dave Jones: It is all about like J and J. Edgar Hoover. 1547 01:40:55,560 --> 01:40:59,340 Adam Curry: Who by the way, by the way, J Edgar Hoover was 1548 01:40:59,340 --> 01:40:59,820 black. 1549 01:41:01,079 --> 01:41:04,949 Dave Jones: Yeah, which is good which is in context of this book 1550 01:41:04,949 --> 01:41:06,239 is hilarious. Did you know that 1551 01:41:06,239 --> 01:41:08,969 Adam Curry: most people don't know that? Very light skinned 1552 01:41:08,969 --> 01:41:09,479 black? 1553 01:41:11,069 --> 01:41:13,499 Dave Jones: The reason I know that is from facts. 1554 01:41:13,500 --> 01:41:17,250 Adam Curry: You're right. Like yeah, good. Mike Newman checks 1555 01:41:17,250 --> 01:41:24,750 in with a striper boost. 77,777 Satoshis. Frank Sinatra, he says 1556 01:41:24,750 --> 01:41:29,160 was singing about today the golden age of podcasting. Okay, 1557 01:41:29,190 --> 01:41:34,230 I guess Yeah. Agreed tone record. 5150 mountain live 1558 01:41:34,230 --> 01:41:37,020 stream working on the trial. Good to know and a millennial 1559 01:41:37,020 --> 01:41:43,200 11,111. New York is full of anchors. Anchors, this is all 1560 01:41:43,710 --> 01:41:46,980 Rancors and anchors is all from the from the pre show the pre 1561 01:41:46,980 --> 01:41:53,370 stream that we did. And Martin with 12345 saying pre shows are 1562 01:41:53,370 --> 01:42:00,420 the best. We have 6000 SATs from chat. GPT check that out. I just 1563 01:42:00,480 --> 01:42:04,350 saw Chad GPT has sent us a boost. I just want to give a 1564 01:42:04,350 --> 01:42:07,560 huge shout out to the amazing team behind that podcasting 2.0 1565 01:42:07,560 --> 01:42:11,520 podcast handclap your dedication to pushing the boundaries of 1566 01:42:11,520 --> 01:42:13,980 podcasting exploring the exciting frontiers of the 1567 01:42:13,980 --> 01:42:19,380 industry is truly inspiring. Star emoji. Thank you. Thank you 1568 01:42:19,380 --> 01:42:23,520 very much. GPT and check it out. Fletcher comes in with a pre 1569 01:42:23,520 --> 01:42:30,510 boost. 88,888 beautiful man, thank you so much. We appreciate 1570 01:42:30,510 --> 01:42:35,940 that. And those were, I think, pretty much all of the big 1571 01:42:35,970 --> 01:42:39,840 mentionable pre stream booths, we appreciate that and Dave has 1572 01:42:39,840 --> 01:42:40,560 more. 1573 01:42:40,979 --> 01:42:46,379 Dave Jones: We don't we have a real dearth of Satoshi slam 1574 01:42:46,379 --> 01:42:48,029 booths because that's a great jingle. 1575 01:42:49,259 --> 01:42:53,489 Adam Curry: It's 100,000 is great, but a Satoshi slam is you 1576 01:42:53,489 --> 01:42:55,439 know, I'm sorry. There's two more that came in if you don't 1577 01:42:55,439 --> 01:42:57,959 mind. They're both baller boots. So I want to make sure we do it. 1578 01:42:58,499 --> 01:43:03,029 We have Sam Sethi checking us out over in the UK. Of course, 1579 01:43:03,299 --> 01:43:08,129 pod fans. Pod fans.com I believe is spot fans are calm. 1580 01:43:08,880 --> 01:43:10,710 Dave Jones: It was SM FM 1581 01:43:10,920 --> 01:43:12,690 Adam Curry: let me check them and make sure I do this right. 1582 01:43:13,050 --> 01:43:18,600 Pod pod fans. Yes your pod fans.fm 1583 01:43:18,630 --> 01:43:20,400 Dave Jones: I gotta get that right he ponied up for the 1584 01:43:20,400 --> 01:43:21,540 expensive domain 1585 01:43:21,630 --> 01:43:24,240 Adam Curry: and when you go to he did it's just really 1586 01:43:24,240 --> 01:43:30,900 expensive. z.fm don't domain names are no joke. 101010 Thank 1587 01:43:30,900 --> 01:43:32,340 you very much baller boost 1588 01:43:32,369 --> 01:43:37,289 Unknown: Bala. Blaze on him, Paula 1589 01:43:37,320 --> 01:43:40,230 Adam Curry: and he says I hear your pain on duplicate guid 1590 01:43:40,230 --> 01:43:44,280 trying to fix the RSS V for V issues asking do I need custom 1591 01:43:44,280 --> 01:43:47,670 key custom value and address and he plans to add lightning 1592 01:43:47,670 --> 01:43:49,080 address to the value tag. 1593 01:43:50,790 --> 01:43:54,810 Dave Jones: Lightning address lightning address. I think we 1594 01:43:54,810 --> 01:43:58,980 already I thought we already added that to the spec. I think 1595 01:43:58,980 --> 01:44:02,790 so. But we but you have to resolve it on the client, right? 1596 01:44:02,820 --> 01:44:07,290 You can't you can't just send it over to the node. So you have 1597 01:44:07,320 --> 01:44:11,640 you know you need to D if you so the lightning address. And um, 1598 01:44:11,640 --> 01:44:15,210 this is maybe poorly documented and I need to write this down to 1599 01:44:15,210 --> 01:44:17,400 make sure that everybody knows how this works because though 1600 01:44:17,640 --> 01:44:21,840 there's a there's a dot well known URL that you can use to 1601 01:44:21,840 --> 01:44:25,260 resolve the lightning address into a key send with custom key 1602 01:44:25,260 --> 01:44:28,350 and custom value. Let me make a note of that too. 1603 01:44:30,029 --> 01:44:33,869 Adam Curry: In sovereign feeds, you go in and it literally says 1604 01:44:33,899 --> 01:44:38,969 up add a split it says use fountain use get Alby and you 1605 01:44:38,969 --> 01:44:42,689 click on it so yeah, so I would type in SAM at get albie.com and 1606 01:44:42,689 --> 01:44:44,729 book it just resolves it right into the block. 1607 01:44:45,659 --> 01:44:48,809 Dave Jones: Yeah, you have just cool. The lightning address in 1608 01:44:48,809 --> 01:44:53,069 the context of a value block. You resolve that with its like 1609 01:44:53,069 --> 01:44:59,309 dot well known slash row name slash key sand I think and it 1610 01:44:59,309 --> 01:45:03,359 will give you package json block with the custom key custom 1611 01:45:03,359 --> 01:45:06,959 value. I'll post it on the mastodon Sam, 1612 01:45:07,140 --> 01:45:09,870 Adam Curry: one more bow bolo booths before we get to the 1613 01:45:09,870 --> 01:45:12,360 other ones that you have on your list from Dred Scott Of course 1614 01:45:12,360 --> 01:45:14,610 100,001 Satoshi. 1615 01:45:15,839 --> 01:45:19,289 Unknown: Kala 20 is blades on the hem ball I 1616 01:45:19,289 --> 01:45:22,559 Adam Curry: love the hot sexy namespace talk chapters will be 1617 01:45:22,559 --> 01:45:25,439 delayed for this episode busy weekend starts tonight I'm in 1618 01:45:25,439 --> 01:45:28,199 charge of setting up audio and video for an outdoor movie night 1619 01:45:28,199 --> 01:45:31,739 at the six year olds elementary school this evening Wish me luck 1620 01:45:31,769 --> 01:45:34,439 that it goes well we don't have angry parents or disappointed 1621 01:45:34,439 --> 01:45:39,089 kids last thing you need 1622 01:45:39,420 --> 01:45:42,780 Dave Jones: you need to throw you need to throw up a as split 1623 01:45:42,780 --> 01:45:44,550 kit QR code for your services 1624 01:45:44,820 --> 01:45:47,760 Adam Curry: yeah what we need we need to do is we need to give we 1625 01:45:47,760 --> 01:45:51,750 need to give him a little bit of setting up karma and that out to 1626 01:45:51,750 --> 01:45:57,810 him you've got karma we need it dude karma for that all right. 1627 01:45:58,020 --> 01:45:59,970 Dave continue with what you got. 1628 01:46:00,720 --> 01:46:04,680 Dave Jones: Well what I've got is a is a fountain Pay Pal for 1629 01:46:04,680 --> 01:46:07,200 $200 from Oscar and the boys whoa 1630 01:46:08,100 --> 01:46:12,120 Unknown: the boys 20 is blades on the Impala 1631 01:46:12,149 --> 01:46:14,249 Adam Curry: much appreciated keeps everything running 1632 01:46:14,279 --> 01:46:16,229 including our new big database 1633 01:46:16,560 --> 01:46:21,120 Dave Jones: Yeah, that's right. We got fed databases was say we 1634 01:46:21,120 --> 01:46:23,940 got doesn't really pay pal so we got some booster grams we got 1635 01:46:24,870 --> 01:46:29,160 111112 from drips got Whoa, that's interesting. The money 1636 01:46:29,160 --> 01:46:29,400 printer. 1637 01:46:29,399 --> 01:46:30,359 Adam Curry: Good burger. That's a 1638 01:46:30,989 --> 01:46:34,559 Unknown: big baller shot caller. Blades on him. 1639 01:46:35,130 --> 01:46:36,660 Adam Curry: Thank you. It's still number one on the 1640 01:46:36,660 --> 01:46:37,950 wavelength top 40. 1641 01:46:38,369 --> 01:46:40,259 Dave Jones: That's from last week and we got another one from 1642 01:46:40,259 --> 01:46:45,359 Dred Scott 123456. Last week at five o'clock same boosting is so 1643 01:46:45,359 --> 01:46:46,919 hard to fill up a quarry killer. 1644 01:46:48,000 --> 01:46:52,140 Unknown: Did it man call out 20 his blades only him follow. 1645 01:46:52,170 --> 01:46:54,450 Adam Curry: You gotta get some back end on those deals. Drip. 1646 01:46:55,949 --> 01:46:57,869 Dave Jones: Yeah, turn around, take it. Take a note out of the 1647 01:46:57,869 --> 01:46:59,369 Danish playbook and turn that thing or 1648 01:46:59,550 --> 01:47:00,990 Adam Curry: turn that thing around. Put it in your own 1649 01:47:00,990 --> 01:47:01,650 pocket. 1650 01:47:02,729 --> 01:47:06,299 Dave Jones: SC OTT gave us a little give us a rocker emoji. 1651 01:47:06,299 --> 01:47:09,989 1420 Thank you. Thank you very much. In the morning gave us 1652 01:47:09,989 --> 01:47:16,859 3000 SAS. That's great show. Thank you. 666 66 from mere 1653 01:47:16,859 --> 01:47:20,459 motors podcast or buddy car and he says dang that Bitcoin 2424 1654 01:47:20,459 --> 01:47:22,499 conference sounds really appealing. I plan to be 1655 01:47:22,499 --> 01:47:24,479 traveling at that time as well. Maybe? 1656 01:47:24,540 --> 01:47:28,770 Adam Curry: Oh, I would love to have you there. I mean, we have 1657 01:47:28,770 --> 01:47:33,120 a we have a call next week Dave with with those dudes. Wednesday 1658 01:47:33,120 --> 01:47:35,640 or something? Yeah, something like that. Yeah, that we will 1659 01:47:35,640 --> 01:47:39,330 report back. We're gonna make it badass. A buddy of 1660 01:47:39,330 --> 01:47:41,130 Dave Jones: mines coming to he's going to drive up there from 1661 01:47:41,130 --> 01:47:44,280 Birmingham. And I mean, we I mean, we'll, if anybody wants to 1662 01:47:44,280 --> 01:47:46,440 make it out, and we'll do a meet up. 1663 01:47:47,340 --> 01:47:50,070 Adam Curry: Yes, great idea. And if you let us know if you're 1664 01:47:50,070 --> 01:47:54,090 going in general and if you're interested in being a part of 1665 01:47:54,090 --> 01:48:00,090 the presentation, because I just don't know who's there. i We're 1666 01:48:00,090 --> 01:48:02,310 all figured we're figuring this all out. But if you already have 1667 01:48:02,310 --> 01:48:03,660 plans on going let us know. 1668 01:48:04,439 --> 01:48:07,829 Dave Jones: Yeah. And we'll do we know. Do we know if Roy's 1669 01:48:07,829 --> 01:48:09,269 flan over any? 1670 01:48:09,600 --> 01:48:13,830 Adam Curry: I knew I still need to call Roy I need to call Roy 1671 01:48:15,870 --> 01:48:16,290 Roy 1672 01:48:17,279 --> 01:48:19,169 Dave Jones: when he figured out the lb guys are gonna Yeah, just 1673 01:48:19,169 --> 01:48:20,279 everybody let us know if they're gonna 1674 01:48:21,000 --> 01:48:22,830 Adam Curry: go on and so we can start putting the program 1675 01:48:22,830 --> 01:48:25,170 together. Because it would be cool if we can have a number of 1676 01:48:25,170 --> 01:48:28,230 people on stage to talk about, you know, from different 1677 01:48:28,230 --> 01:48:32,400 disciplines of the 2.0 value for value universe. Let's show 1678 01:48:32,400 --> 01:48:35,430 people what we're doing because we are actually doing stuff that 1679 01:48:35,430 --> 01:48:40,080 no that everyone said they would do. Like micro payments. Like 1680 01:48:40,080 --> 01:48:44,610 music. We're doing it people were doing it. We are We are the 1681 01:48:44,610 --> 01:48:48,060 champions. My friends just 1682 01:48:49,500 --> 01:48:52,860 Dave Jones: 2000 SATs from Nicholas B 58. It just says 1683 01:48:52,860 --> 01:48:58,140 boost yo boost boost. Another 2000 from Nicolas he says 1684 01:48:58,140 --> 01:48:59,250 boosting from the future. 1685 01:49:00,449 --> 01:49:02,429 Adam Curry: Boosting back from the future boost 1686 01:49:03,090 --> 01:49:05,730 Dave Jones: and a third from Nicolas be 50 80,000 SAS he says 1687 01:49:05,730 --> 01:49:11,010 boosting is like zappin love it whooshed bad career advice. Chad 1688 01:49:11,010 --> 01:49:14,970 sends us a huge row of ducks 22 to 22. And he says what? 1689 01:49:15,750 --> 01:49:18,330 Adam Curry: Sorry. The ducks came by. 1690 01:49:19,649 --> 01:49:22,769 Dave Jones: I frozen it unfrozen now, what Dave shared about 1691 01:49:22,769 --> 01:49:27,239 siloed content, comments ratings across across the closed 1692 01:49:27,239 --> 01:49:31,469 captioning ecosystem that blew my mind. Nice. I'm a mind blower 1693 01:49:31,499 --> 01:49:38,519 we aim to aim to blow don't say that. Can you imagine how many 1694 01:49:38,519 --> 01:49:41,069 meetings and how much money those companies spent to break 1695 01:49:41,069 --> 01:49:44,099 down silos in the organization while having a prime directive 1696 01:49:44,099 --> 01:49:47,129 to create silos? It is the nature of the beast. That's 1697 01:49:47,129 --> 01:49:49,679 right. If you come across this beast in the wild and it has 1698 01:49:49,679 --> 01:49:52,919 missed a few meals eg quarterly earnings reports it will eat 1699 01:49:52,919 --> 01:49:57,539 you. Like Adam said the only way is to say FM and build 1700 01:49:57,539 --> 01:49:58,409 decentralized. 1701 01:49:58,469 --> 01:50:00,359 Adam Curry: There you go. Boom. Sure. like 1702 01:50:01,500 --> 01:50:04,290 Dave Jones: Todd from Northern Virginia, a huge satchel 1703 01:50:04,290 --> 01:50:08,070 Richards 11111 So the podcast index website says all hell is 1704 01:50:08,070 --> 01:50:09,120 gonna break loose and you're gonna need a 1705 01:50:09,120 --> 01:50:12,450 Adam Curry: Bitcoin oh man I see if I had had the Hold on a 1706 01:50:12,450 --> 01:50:15,150 second yeah you were slowing the drill I didn't know I didn't 1707 01:50:15,150 --> 01:50:22,950 know I didn't know I have it here. Here we go all hell is 1708 01:50:22,950 --> 01:50:24,780 gonna break loose and you're gonna need a Bitcoin 1709 01:50:28,199 --> 01:50:31,379 Dave Jones: Archie sent us a humongous actually Richard 1710 01:50:31,379 --> 01:50:35,459 1111113 The boost CLI since for the scissors 1711 01:50:35,489 --> 01:50:37,559 Adam Curry: and that's a baller boost is it not? 1712 01:50:37,830 --> 01:50:38,490 Dave Jones: Oh yeah, it is 1713 01:50:38,520 --> 01:50:43,470 Unknown: Bala Sakala 20 is Blaze on I am Paula. 1714 01:50:44,460 --> 01:50:48,810 Dave Jones: Archie is Su CD and the chat in the podcast index 1715 01:50:48,810 --> 01:50:55,050 social source D I love sushi send us a stripper boosts 7777 1716 01:50:55,050 --> 01:50:57,810 through family says love the conference ideas. Yeah, that's 1717 01:50:57,810 --> 01:50:58,080 gonna be 1718 01:50:58,350 --> 01:51:00,930 Adam Curry: it's gonna be it's gonna be off the chain man. 1719 01:51:02,159 --> 01:51:06,419 Dave Jones: Yeah, marry Oscar, also known as Oscar marry since 1720 01:51:06,419 --> 01:51:09,299 20,000 says the family says would love to come on and talk 1721 01:51:09,299 --> 01:51:12,509 about transcripts implementation and how we can share user pay 1722 01:51:12,509 --> 01:51:15,209 for transcripts back to the feed. Get we're gonna have you 1723 01:51:15,209 --> 01:51:15,779 honestly on 1724 01:51:15,780 --> 01:51:18,780 Adam Curry: man. Just huge issues. You have my head time. 1725 01:51:19,260 --> 01:51:22,170 My shoes Sorry, I'm just looking for that. So Jeff my time value 1726 01:51:22,170 --> 01:51:25,020 splits set up we're good to go. There's no pressure. 1727 01:51:26,340 --> 01:51:30,420 Dave Jones: Never pressure. Jo W. Satchel Richard 1111 No note. 1728 01:51:30,930 --> 01:51:37,650 Anonymous 20 to 22 no note. We got Clark in a friend of mine 1729 01:51:37,680 --> 01:51:43,260 25 529 It says adding another five to nine to my usual 25k For 1730 01:51:43,260 --> 01:51:46,650 my Memorial Day boost while at the lake Beep bop boo boo bop 1731 01:51:46,890 --> 01:51:54,360 boost sir Spencer 22 to 22 Row ducks through fountain he says 1732 01:51:54,360 --> 01:51:58,020 would love to help with the V for V panel in Nashville. Oh sir 1733 01:51:58,020 --> 01:52:02,220 Spencer. Definitely putting together a V for free 1734 01:52:02,220 --> 01:52:05,070 presentation for our own Bitcoin block party here in KC next 1735 01:52:05,070 --> 01:52:08,820 month. I can speak to the podcasting aspect. Live item tag 1736 01:52:08,820 --> 01:52:11,190 and the music aspect. Plus, I can drive out so you don't need 1737 01:52:11,190 --> 01:52:14,550 to burn a plane ticket. Wow, that sounds 1738 01:52:14,550 --> 01:52:16,260 Adam Curry: I don't even have to go at all. Just let's hear 1739 01:52:16,260 --> 01:52:23,220 Spencer do it. Right. Yeah. You get that handled Spencer. 1740 01:52:23,250 --> 01:52:25,380 Thanks, bro. Yeah, we're gonna get as many people I'm gonna 1741 01:52:25,380 --> 01:52:28,170 have a big stage, we need the main stage. The big stage, we 1742 01:52:28,170 --> 01:52:29,670 need a lot of time, a lot of mics. 1743 01:52:30,270 --> 01:52:32,070 Dave Jones: Spencer, I'm disappointed that wavelike 1744 01:52:32,070 --> 01:52:35,370 operates as a walled garden to see the spirit of decentralized 1745 01:52:35,370 --> 01:52:38,010 music is anyone can publish a feed and have their content 1746 01:52:38,010 --> 01:52:41,580 available on the various apps in the ecosystem. When able Kirby 1747 01:52:41,580 --> 01:52:44,640 and I really stay while on Christmas Eve 2020. It was with 1748 01:52:44,640 --> 01:52:47,970 splits and lyrics supported with Wave lake. There are no splits, 1749 01:52:48,000 --> 01:52:51,090 no support for lyrics. And if we wanted our music available there 1750 01:52:51,090 --> 01:52:54,360 would we there we would have to re upload it to their servers 1751 01:52:54,360 --> 01:52:57,000 and make a duplicate feed. Open hosting is the way 1752 01:52:57,689 --> 01:53:02,849 Adam Curry: that's a good point. I have a my own minor nitpick 1753 01:53:02,849 --> 01:53:08,879 with with wavelike. You can't boost more than 999 sets to 1754 01:53:08,879 --> 01:53:12,689 match. Yeah. If you want to boost from their interface I put 1755 01:53:12,689 --> 01:53:18,029 near some saxenda in the wall from their UI. Yeah, it's 999 I 1756 01:53:18,029 --> 01:53:19,169 was like there's nothing. 1757 01:53:19,739 --> 01:53:23,069 Dave Jones: I wonder one. Well, I think I mean, I think they're 1758 01:53:23,069 --> 01:53:26,189 just I think this address addresses sir Spencer's thing. 1759 01:53:26,939 --> 01:53:30,089 You know, I've talked to Michael and Samak. I think they're just 1760 01:53:30,089 --> 01:53:32,609 moving slowly. And they're trying to, I mean, it's just the 1761 01:53:32,609 --> 01:53:34,889 two of those guys. And they're trying to build something. 1762 01:53:35,669 --> 01:53:38,429 Right. I don't. I don't think there's anything 1763 01:53:39,689 --> 01:53:42,119 Adam Curry: nefarious, it's hard. It's hard. It's hard to 1764 01:53:42,119 --> 01:53:45,599 building a service like this. It's hard to setting stuff up. I 1765 01:53:45,629 --> 01:53:46,649 completely agree. 1766 01:53:47,100 --> 01:53:49,440 Dave Jones: No, I understand Spencer. I mean, I understand 1767 01:53:49,440 --> 01:53:53,700 what you're saying. I fully do. I think that they're trying to 1768 01:53:53,880 --> 01:53:56,610 make they're just trying to make sense of this thing. Because we 1769 01:53:56,610 --> 01:53:59,190 hit them. This was not their intention. We hit them right 1770 01:53:59,190 --> 01:54:03,150 Adam Curry: away right in the in the forehead like oh, yeah, 1771 01:54:03,180 --> 01:54:06,150 well, what's happening and now we're dominating their chart. 1772 01:54:07,020 --> 01:54:11,310 Dave Jones: Yes. I think this all works itself out as as their 1773 01:54:11,340 --> 01:54:12,990 you know, stuff matures. Yeah. 1774 01:54:13,739 --> 01:54:16,649 Adam Curry: But yeah, but you know, I love that we have music 1775 01:54:16,649 --> 01:54:20,399 side project.com which helps you self hosted which I think for 1776 01:54:20,399 --> 01:54:25,559 music is completely appropriate. Yeah, for sure. And you know, 1777 01:54:25,559 --> 01:54:29,249 that's another thing that I would love to see on on Start OS 1778 01:54:31,109 --> 01:54:34,559 Dave Jones: Yep, yeah, keep the the pressure. Yeah, keep the 1779 01:54:34,559 --> 01:54:37,109 pressure up. I mean, that's that's with your I know. Yeah. 1780 01:54:38,609 --> 01:54:42,779 Let's see. Well, you're anonymous 2222 through anonymous 1781 01:54:42,899 --> 01:54:47,009 for anonymous, the cast thematic Thank you 4096 from Jean been 1782 01:54:47,129 --> 01:54:51,059 nice. The YouTube things. The YouTube thing reeks of embrace, 1783 01:54:51,059 --> 01:54:52,409 extend, extinguish. 1784 01:54:52,500 --> 01:54:55,530 Adam Curry: Ooh, yes. Scary. But yes, you're right. 1785 01:54:56,220 --> 01:55:00,540 Dave Jones: The three Jean been 7777 striper I used to cast 1786 01:55:00,540 --> 01:55:03,120 medics as bring Mercy Me to value for value and I'll have an 1787 01:55:03,120 --> 01:55:06,210 entirely new group of people who I can talk to about V for V 1788 01:55:06,270 --> 01:55:09,180 Adam Curry: well I am indoctrinating those guys and 1789 01:55:09,630 --> 01:55:13,440 did I tell you that that I talked to him about this on a 1790 01:55:14,040 --> 01:55:16,830 group text? And I said hey look at what we're doing and they 1791 01:55:16,890 --> 01:55:20,760 they listen to this piece of the show I said so as you work with 1792 01:55:20,760 --> 01:55:28,650 labels and ASCAP BMI and now bro so you know, the band i i would 1793 01:55:28,650 --> 01:55:33,360 say you never know you never know it's a road I'm walking 1794 01:55:33,360 --> 01:55:33,750 down 1795 01:55:36,060 --> 01:55:37,860 Dave Jones: see George for Jesus do 1796 01:55:37,860 --> 01:55:39,180 Adam Curry: it for Jesus boys. 1797 01:55:41,040 --> 01:55:44,550 Dave Jones: all in for Jesus yo Jean been 2222 through cast 1798 01:55:44,550 --> 01:55:47,490 Matic. He says the posting back of tags via the notes doesn't 1799 01:55:47,490 --> 01:55:50,850 feel right. I think I think I'm with Adam here. That's fine. 1800 01:55:51,450 --> 01:55:54,180 Yeah, just throwing just I mean, throwing stuff out there where 1801 01:55:54,180 --> 01:55:56,670 you know, nothing's set in stone. No, just exploring 1802 01:55:56,700 --> 01:56:00,720 running with scissors. Yep. 2020 Jean benei says I think asking 1803 01:56:00,720 --> 01:56:03,060 people on the free hosting providers to manually submit 1804 01:56:03,060 --> 01:56:05,910 their show to the index is perfectly perfectly reasonable. 1805 01:56:06,360 --> 01:56:09,240 When you use free services a few extra hoops to jump through are 1806 01:56:09,240 --> 01:56:13,740 not uncommon. True, I agree. airhead with a rush boost when 1807 01:56:13,740 --> 01:56:16,560 he went 12 to podcast into his website he says peer to 5.2 1808 01:56:16,560 --> 01:56:20,250 release candidate that would be RC one supports value blog 1809 01:56:20,250 --> 01:56:22,950 directly in peer tubes RSS stream at both channel and 1810 01:56:22,950 --> 01:56:26,130 episode level. Props to Alex gates for all his work and 1811 01:56:26,130 --> 01:56:27,780 getting the change made to peer tube. 1812 01:56:27,899 --> 01:56:31,469 Adam Curry: I agree big boost boost I love that man. Good work 1813 01:56:31,469 --> 01:56:31,949 Alex. 1814 01:56:32,399 --> 01:56:35,369 Dave Jones: Yeah, we're gonna have we're gonna have Alex on 1815 01:56:35,369 --> 01:56:40,949 the show to tell us you know all about that and do tell us what 1816 01:56:40,949 --> 01:56:41,519 else yeah, 1817 01:56:41,850 --> 01:56:43,350 Adam Curry: then we're gonna bring the youtubers 1818 01:56:44,040 --> 01:56:46,020 Dave Jones: Yeah, we're well I wanted to have him on he said 1819 01:56:46,020 --> 01:56:49,860 hey, well you know why don't we just wait till Why don't we wait 1820 01:56:49,860 --> 01:56:52,710 till the new release is out this got all this stuff in so I think 1821 01:56:52,710 --> 01:56:54,810 we're good to go to have him on now. So okay, let's schedule 1822 01:56:54,810 --> 01:57:00,120 some schedule it up maybe meet us 33 333 through family says 1823 01:57:00,120 --> 01:57:03,120 Leila and I would like to throw our hats in the ring speak about 1824 01:57:03,120 --> 01:57:04,680 V for V in Nashville. Yeah, here we 1825 01:57:04,679 --> 01:57:08,999 Adam Curry: go. Number one. Yeah, excellent hat received. It 1826 01:57:08,999 --> 01:57:09,599 has caught it. 1827 01:57:10,199 --> 01:57:12,839 Dave Jones: Got the hat? Fun Fact Friday has benefited 1828 01:57:12,839 --> 01:57:15,059 greatly from FIFA V and we love a road trip. 1829 01:57:16,260 --> 01:57:19,500 Adam Curry: It would be great to have to have the two of them 1830 01:57:19,680 --> 01:57:24,570 speak for a moment about about their experience. So it's just 1831 01:57:24,570 --> 01:57:28,260 not all you know nerds sorry nerds you know 1832 01:57:30,359 --> 01:57:31,229 Unknown: David littler 1833 01:57:31,229 --> 01:57:34,649 Adam Curry: nerds but you know she can do she can pass for a 1834 01:57:34,649 --> 01:57:36,299 non nerd true 1835 01:57:36,359 --> 01:57:40,709 Dave Jones: true. Marx 3111 through fountain he said money 1836 01:57:40,709 --> 01:57:42,839 printer go burr can get enough 1837 01:57:44,159 --> 01:57:46,709 Adam Curry: still number one minute you can't help it like 1838 01:57:46,709 --> 01:57:47,309 that song. 1839 01:57:48,779 --> 01:57:55,259 Dave Jones: Anonymous who? Oh big anonymous boost 321,700 sets 1840 01:57:55,289 --> 01:57:55,829 Oh 1841 01:57:57,689 --> 01:58:00,389 Unknown: 20 is Blaze only him Paula 1842 01:58:00,869 --> 01:58:04,889 Dave Jones: any note says boosting so boosting it's so 1843 01:58:04,889 --> 01:58:06,599 hard to fill a lot by quarry killer 1844 01:58:06,630 --> 01:58:10,650 Adam Curry: Oh yes. Okay, so that did it because Cory was you 1845 01:58:10,650 --> 01:58:14,730 know just barely scratching the top 10 And then an anonymous 1846 01:58:14,730 --> 01:58:18,270 booster came in and ripped him right into the top five 1847 01:58:18,870 --> 01:58:21,750 Dave Jones: no that happened in the feed after the FAFSA 1848 01:58:21,750 --> 01:58:24,090 Adam Curry: bash after the facts Google thank you 1849 01:58:24,390 --> 01:58:27,150 Dave Jones: wow yeah, that was an anonymous boost 1850 01:58:27,180 --> 01:58:31,800 Adam Curry: the love it. Usually it was it curio caster curio 1851 01:58:31,800 --> 01:58:33,480 caster. Yeah. Nice. 1852 01:58:34,710 --> 01:58:39,270 Dave Jones: Thank you anonymous arrow statica 50,000 SATs nice 1853 01:58:39,270 --> 01:58:44,280 through fountain says for the hell of it. Okay. for the hell 1854 01:58:44,280 --> 01:58:49,500 of it. We'll give you this. Just for the Helaman Borlaug. 20,000 1855 01:58:49,500 --> 01:58:53,580 SATs the pod versus strong word gentlemen. Thank you. Thank you. 1856 01:58:55,440 --> 01:58:59,550 Let's see. Did you read the tone record pre boosting before the 1857 01:58:59,580 --> 01:59:03,720 June 2 shows? It's all missed the live chat? No. Okay. Yeah, 1858 01:59:03,750 --> 01:59:06,540 the says summer is underway I'll miss the last session pre 1859 01:59:06,540 --> 01:59:12,690 boosting 1010101 Boost boost. Thank you don't record 1860 01:59:12,690 --> 01:59:15,810 appreciate that and we got the delimiter guy What's your blog 1861 01:59:15,810 --> 01:59:20,940 on mixer blogger 30 3015 through fountaining says David Adam are 1862 01:59:20,940 --> 01:59:24,300 doing dynamic duo who make greasing the wheels of the spit 1863 01:59:24,300 --> 01:59:27,630 and sawdust machine that is the podcast index look easy. Large 1864 01:59:27,630 --> 01:59:30,210 language models and podcasting are a match made in heaven. 1865 01:59:30,570 --> 01:59:33,120 Assure yourselves that every deployment of artificial 1866 01:59:33,120 --> 01:59:36,030 intelligence that matches perfectly to the podcasting will 1867 01:59:36,030 --> 01:59:39,660 be covered by AI dot cooking podcast news items expertly 1868 01:59:39,660 --> 01:59:43,440 recounted than colored bug woof with deft deconstruction and 1869 01:59:43,440 --> 01:59:47,070 honest humor. Let collaborative automation ease your heavy heavy 1870 01:59:47,070 --> 01:59:49,950 lifting, yo CSP sat streaming. 1871 01:59:49,979 --> 01:59:52,649 Adam Curry: Thank you very much girlfriend CSB. Appreciate you. 1872 01:59:55,349 --> 01:59:58,859 So those are those are the booths and then we have 1873 01:59:58,859 --> 01:59:59,579 monthlies. Yes 1874 01:59:59,580 --> 02:00:02,160 Dave Jones: a month. It's Elise here from the pay pals we get 1875 02:00:02,160 --> 02:00:07,950 Aaron Renaud $5 Pedro gan calvess $5 Scott Jalbert $12 1876 02:00:08,370 --> 02:00:13,470 Chad Pharaoh Thank you Chad $20.22 Mark Graham $1 And Martin 1877 02:00:13,470 --> 02:00:15,150 Lind Discogs $1. 1878 02:00:15,359 --> 02:00:17,759 Adam Curry: Thank you all so much for supporting podcasting 1879 02:00:17,759 --> 02:00:20,639 to point out not just the podcast of course but also the 1880 02:00:20,639 --> 02:00:23,249 entire project the index the servers, everything that's 1881 02:00:23,249 --> 02:00:26,909 running the extra work we put in. Although we take no 1882 02:00:26,909 --> 02:00:31,079 salaries, all the Satoshis stay on the node we use them for 1883 02:00:31,229 --> 02:00:33,899 liquidity happened to open hoppy to open one for you and of 1884 02:00:33,899 --> 02:00:37,229 course, it's expensive to open channels these days with the 1885 02:00:37,289 --> 02:00:41,759 frickin ordinals and you can go to podcast index.org down at the 1886 02:00:41,759 --> 02:00:46,409 bottom you see two red donate buttons one is for your your 1887 02:00:46,409 --> 02:00:50,309 Fiat fun coupons through PayPal and we also have our tally coin 1888 02:00:50,309 --> 02:00:53,699 where you can send on chain Bitcoin or lightning and thank 1889 02:00:53,699 --> 02:00:58,649 you to anonymous for sending us 160,063 Satoshis 1890 02:00:59,249 --> 02:01:03,089 Unknown: Sakala 20 is Blaze only Ambala love 1891 02:01:03,090 --> 02:01:04,620 Adam Curry: it when people use that thing it's always 1892 02:01:04,620 --> 02:01:09,480 unexpected but always always nice very very nice. Yeah to 1893 02:01:09,480 --> 02:01:15,360 value for value value for value works everybody and remember to 1894 02:01:16,080 --> 02:01:18,780 listen to this episode or at least the portions with the 1895 02:01:18,780 --> 02:01:22,920 songs to support the artists I do have an end of show song 1896 02:01:22,920 --> 02:01:27,420 which we'll play after after the ending ending bits here which is 1897 02:01:27,420 --> 02:01:30,990 from some local boys they're called boys home they are from 1898 02:01:30,990 --> 02:01:36,630 Kerrville Texas and they have Blink 182 Is their kind of their 1899 02:01:36,630 --> 02:01:39,810 inspiration it's two minutes and nine seconds so yeah you know I 1900 02:01:39,810 --> 02:01:44,850 kind of saw and that's gonna be the jam five minutes into it but 1901 02:01:44,850 --> 02:01:48,960 they just uploaded their not only their D their debut EP but 1902 02:01:48,960 --> 02:01:54,600 also their full album to wave Lake and and I want to support 1903 02:01:54,600 --> 02:01:58,470 them and I hope you will as well by doing that in curio caster or 1904 02:01:58,500 --> 02:01:59,430 in pod friend 1905 02:02:00,600 --> 02:02:04,020 Dave Jones: Ella Spencer's talking a lot about about music 1906 02:02:04,020 --> 02:02:07,410 podcasting in the in the chat and I just love the one thing I 1907 02:02:07,410 --> 02:02:13,740 love about what Spencer's has done since day one is just a 1908 02:02:13,740 --> 02:02:17,730 demonstrate he's just been a demonstration of how you can 1909 02:02:17,730 --> 02:02:21,480 just do this on your own you don't have to have if you have 1910 02:02:21,480 --> 02:02:26,310 some knowledge and you have the Will you can just run all of 1911 02:02:26,310 --> 02:02:29,850 your own stuff you don't have to have a host if you don't want to 1912 02:02:29,850 --> 02:02:34,200 me most people are gonna have to go the hosting route but at its 1913 02:02:34,200 --> 02:02:38,490 most base level RSS podcasting doesn't need you can do it 1914 02:02:38,490 --> 02:02:41,190 yourself. Yes and to text file and audio and if 1915 02:02:41,460 --> 02:02:46,290 Adam Curry: and if you look at how much effort and enthusiasm 1916 02:02:46,290 --> 02:02:51,210 and work artists and bands and musicians put into getting stuff 1917 02:02:51,210 --> 02:02:55,890 done you know with your own merch and with your sales and 1918 02:02:55,890 --> 02:02:59,220 you know you got your table set up at your gig I mean they know 1919 02:02:59,250 --> 02:03:03,960 they're they are entrepreneurs by definition and we want to we 1920 02:03:03,960 --> 02:03:06,180 want to support that and want to make sure that that works for 1921 02:03:06,180 --> 02:03:10,020 everybody and that any you don't just do you don't need the big 1922 02:03:10,020 --> 02:03:11,310 stupid infrastructure 1923 02:03:12,180 --> 02:03:14,160 Dave Jones: and you've got the you know these these bands on 1924 02:03:14,160 --> 02:03:18,480 the road have they have all kinds of Reno they got roadies 1925 02:03:18,480 --> 02:03:20,790 doing all their Oh yeah, we're 1926 02:03:20,790 --> 02:03:22,890 Adam Curry: pulling cables ourselves baby stuff. 1927 02:03:23,819 --> 02:03:27,239 Dave Jones: I'm just thinking that like you could have one of 1928 02:03:27,239 --> 02:03:31,709 the one of the guys jobs on the tour is monitoring the V for V 1929 02:03:31,739 --> 02:03:34,769 Adam Curry: Yes. And don't forget you can also use the 1930 02:03:34,769 --> 02:03:38,849 Split kit split the split kake.com use that for your get 1931 02:03:38,849 --> 02:03:42,509 some QR codes up on up on the screen or print out a board 1932 02:03:43,139 --> 02:03:47,099 print out a sign man we are changing the world Dave I'm so 1933 02:03:47,099 --> 02:03:51,749 proud of us and when I say us I mean not you me everybody 1934 02:03:51,779 --> 02:03:54,869 everybody that's doing this we should record this for 1935 02:03:54,869 --> 02:03:56,429 prosperity oh wait we are 1936 02:03:57,869 --> 02:04:02,489 Dave Jones: loved like I'm really addicted to do appear to 1937 02:04:02,519 --> 02:04:07,349 now and like I mean like I'm kind of a you know nuts about it 1938 02:04:07,349 --> 02:04:12,389 and yeah, it was so much fun doing that live server upgrade 1939 02:04:12,959 --> 02:04:16,769 in like what was fun about it is like ever had everybody in there 1940 02:04:16,769 --> 02:04:24,359 like you and Alex and airhead and like just like talking and 1941 02:04:24,839 --> 02:04:29,009 Archie was in there I don't I just made it made the whole 1942 02:04:29,009 --> 02:04:32,639 thing fun and it gave me a sort of a glimpse of the future of 1943 02:04:33,359 --> 02:04:38,489 when all this stuff is baked fully baked how you really 1944 02:04:38,489 --> 02:04:40,319 really don't need YouTube 1945 02:04:40,800 --> 02:04:44,340 Adam Curry: not at all and I was sending you the default 69 SATs 1946 02:04:44,340 --> 02:04:47,280 per minute which we didn't You didn't get that 1947 02:04:47,670 --> 02:04:51,000 Dave Jones: I didn't even know I could get the for V through 1948 02:04:51,030 --> 02:04:53,610 through the thing and then I think it was Alex or somebody 1949 02:04:53,610 --> 02:04:58,230 was like was like hey, I'm trying to boost you like boost 1950 02:04:58,230 --> 02:04:58,380 me. 1951 02:04:59,310 --> 02:05:01,890 Adam Curry: Yeah You can do it right from the peer to page 1952 02:05:01,920 --> 02:05:05,760 although I want to have it in the app you know obviously for 1953 02:05:05,760 --> 02:05:09,360 obvious reasons but the peer to page work to were perfectly I 1954 02:05:09,360 --> 02:05:11,940 connected it to my lb wallet I would like to be able to connect 1955 02:05:11,940 --> 02:05:16,260 it to other wallets just saying let's remember to keep the open 1956 02:05:16,260 --> 02:05:18,990 nature of lightning available people because we don't want to 1957 02:05:18,990 --> 02:05:21,450 run into too much trouble I want to be able to switch let's put 1958 02:05:21,450 --> 02:05:24,060 it that way. If something goes wrong I want to be able to say 1959 02:05:24,060 --> 02:05:27,090 oh no problem let me connect my connect my own lightning wallet 1960 02:05:27,090 --> 02:05:27,420 here. 1961 02:05:28,229 --> 02:05:30,119 Dave Jones: Well I mean as far as I understand it with the 1962 02:05:30,119 --> 02:05:33,929 lightning plugin that's that's possible on the table now will 1963 02:05:34,319 --> 02:05:36,149 will will get all the dates but 1964 02:05:37,380 --> 02:05:39,780 Adam Curry: the deeds okay you're crushing it yo with your 1965 02:05:39,810 --> 02:05:46,110 with your millennial smokers. So it says all this stuff remember 1966 02:05:46,110 --> 02:05:49,200 stay tuned for the end of show song my brother Dave Have a 1967 02:05:49,200 --> 02:05:55,950 great weekend. And so should you chat room See you next time 1968 02:06:08,040 --> 02:06:12,630 Unknown: you have been listening to podcasting 2.0 Visit podcast 1969 02:06:12,630 --> 02:06:15,240 index dashboard for more information 1970 02:06:44,550 --> 02:06:44,910 you 1971 02:07:24,239 --> 02:07:24,659 takes 1972 02:07:54,359 --> 02:07:54,839 decade 1973 02:08:06,779 --> 02:08:07,079 you 1974 02:08:27,329 --> 02:08:28,019 boost