Adam Curry: podcasting to one over June 2 2023, episode 135
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jobs, databases that is say hello to my friend on the other
end, ladies and gentlemen, Mr. De Jones.
Dave Jones: Don't get me into that game, please. I was the
only databases
Adam Curry: I was so impressed. I was so impressed. You were
reading it while you were streaming it live. And we had
lots of people watching it was so that was fun. It was
fantastic. You know, you had your pussy by your side.
Dave Jones: Adam curry,
Adam Curry: that's what do you mean, now you're your black cat?
Dave Jones: I do agree with I do agree with Alex. It is it is the
height of folly to allow your cat to walk around on the on the
desk while you're doing server maintenance. That is a very
stupid idea. And that did not stop me from doing it though.
Adam Curry: This was I think we could have a dude named Ben
channel where all you can switch between is the way if you didn't
see it, people. So you basically saw Dave screens and then in the
corner was Dave and he would he and he had a playlist going so
you know we're listening to the music we see in your, your what
you're typing on the screen, all your different terminal windows
are open. And you know, and everyone's of course waiting for
you to show something you shouldn't show.
Dave Jones: Flick my credit card number something, whatever,
whatever you have,
Adam Curry: then you switch it over to the cat. And then you're
then you popped on the mic and like, look at my keyboard, I got
a whole bunch of these keyboards and it was key point keyboard
porn. Oh, that's a great keyboard. I love that. Where'd
you get that keyboard? It was
Dave Jones: interesting, is showing off my 1980s keyboards
that weigh 20 pounds each. Yeah, that's great.
Adam Curry: And in general, I just like to say, cuz it was a
congress, you know, no agenda, social froze or something. I'm
not quite sure what happened. And then, as usual, you know,
and it doesn't matter if people use a resource, like our Macedon
server for no agenda for free, or if they pay for it doesn't
matter. People always pitching. And I just want to say,
seriously, you know, now, in a big tech land, it's called a
glitch, you know, just as glitch. But it's huge, long,
long, long ago, I understood that the people who really run
my world and I think everybody's world, our SIS admins, server
admins, IT admins, do you need to temper yourself? Yes, because
it's, I mean, random acts of kindness will get you very, very
far with, with the people who run the world, and they truly
are the ones who run your world, you don't know it. But when
something goes wrong, if you're the first one
Dave Jones: you have partially as I feel like I can say this
with authority, you have partially built your career on
making own on being kind and be and playing nice with sis
admins. That has been important. I mean, that light has been a
part of has been part of you for for 25 years, at least.
Adam Curry: Actually, it goes a little bit further than that.
When I started doing television when I was 19, I made sure I
knew how everybody's job worked. So I knew how the cameras work.
I'm not saying that I could be a better cameraman, but I knew how
they worked. I knew how they how the dollies worked, how the
intercom work, how you press the button to see the live feed. I
knew how audio the audio engineer the lighting engineer
make up everything I made sure I knew it because television you
need everybody. If everyone's not on board is going to suck if
one person is out of sync and it's with film I guess the same
I don't know that much about film but it gets similar and
I've always wanted to know how everybody's job worked. And so
the similar when when technology came along, because only then
can I get out of it what I want out of it is if I know how
everything works and I can sympathize with the issues of
others
Dave Jones: oh yeah yeah. So you you need to know how their stuff
works so that you can understand their their frustrate you can
empathize so you can have empathy. Yeah, well
Adam Curry: not just have empathy but I can brainstorm and
say well, okay, I don't know exactly how this works. But can
we do this? And if you're not full of crap, which most people
are at You know, then you'll have an interesting conversation
you'll figure it out.
Dave Jones: Because no, because this will cause like, no gender
social. Is it still down?
Adam Curry: No, no, no, it was back up. But you know, so I
started that Mastodon site running on Amazon EC two
instance. And I ran it for two years and then it just became so
unwieldly you know, the upgrades, all the stuff that's
going on the pruning of the data, but I just couldn't handle
it anymore. And then Matt Hamilton stood up and said, I'll
do it. I'll do it and I'll take it in. I'll run it my basement
with predictable results, like any server from time to time,
shits the bed. Yeah, especially especially Mastodon, like just
just about it's a centralized resource. 10,000 people have an
account and Lord knows knows how much is federated through it.
And just people can I mean, I won't say they always complained
like verge down there. That's like, yeah, so what Okay, it'll
come back up and yeah, but it would just when the when the
show was going you needed it now.
Dave Jones: I don't guess have ever told you my guess we've
ever talked about my three pillars of helpdesk.
Adam Curry: Oh, goodness, this sounds like some inside info
that will do me.
Dave Jones: Yeah, well, I mean, it's, it's, it's these are part
of the it's part of a larger, you could call it there's a lot
more here. I mean, so like what like one of us say these are
like a bunch of rules of it, where it's kind of like Ron
Swanson's pyramid of greatness. Maybe he has like a whole bunch
of I got a whole bunch of these things, but you can wrap it, but
it's specifically helpdesk you can rap. You can rap most. I've
been doing helpdesk for 27 years. I started in 1990. End of
96. Wow. So I mean, like that's it's been I've been hands on
with end user support in some capacity. That was almost 30
years Novell
Adam Curry: networks. You were still using Novell. Yeah, yeah.
Dave Jones: So So I mean, this is born out of a long, long
experience. The three pillars of helpdesk are all software sucks,
and is full of bugs. That's number one. Number two, users
don't tell you the truth. Yep, total number three, nobody reads
your emails. Those are the three pillars.
Adam Curry: There's a fourth one. When in doubt, install
Adobe Acrobat Reader.
Dave Jones: Actually, if there's a fourth one, it's it's this if
whatever is wrong, if you're on Wi Fi, that's at least 50% of
the vote. That's definitely
Adam Curry: DNS. And there's always a DNS as long as yes is
always an issue.
Dave Jones: But, but all but the, there's a reason that rule
number one is all software sucks. And it's full of bugs.
It's true, because it's true. Or SIS admin, there's nothing you
can do about it, though, like I wasn't perfect case in point I
was on I was doing an Amazon order this morning. And, and I
went in there to add an address to because this was going to be
dropped, shipped to somebody else. So I go in there to add an
address. And in the address field for the street address, I
it came up and it was it was pre populated with something. So I
take my mouse a click in there, and I swipe the mouse cursor to
the left in order to highlight the entire string so I can
delete it. Oh, I do that when I swipe to the left, the address
entry screen goes away. So I do it again. In a in a in a trust
select at click drag to the left in the whole thing goes away
again. And then it dawned on me. This is a mobile gesture bug in
the desktop version of Amazon. They haven't fixed yet. This is
on the move probably arguably the largest highest traffic site
in the world commerce, e commerce and they still have a
subtle gesture and mobile gesture bug in their input
forms. Of course, it also sucks all of it
Adam Curry: so I really wish everyone I guess another one is
people users always have the caps lock on when they don't
know their password or it's not working that's always that's
always kind of like a given but what happens with in my
household now of course I'm IT guy here you know that's that's
cool. But I'm also I get passed through messages through Tina
from her friends who she's onboarding onto podcasting 2.0
apps and the message usually the message usually come through
like this. This thing is so glitchy so glitchy. Well, what
are you trying to do? No and here's actually an interesting
one. That was like wow, really this When I use Siri in the car,
the podcast stops playing. Well, yeah, of course it does. That's,
that's the OS. That's not the app. And but then the next thing
is then, after I've used theory, the volume controls don't work.
You know, so it's stuff like this. And there's like, it's so
glitchy. I'm going to I'm gonna go back to whatever you're
feeling whatever I was using. And I was like, no, no, no, this
is great. thank her. Thank you so much. And this is the other
side of the equation. Thank you for identifying this bug. You
know, while you're a bug Hunter, I need you here. I need you to
do this. This is great. You're helping humanity. Yeah,
continue, please continue to break things. Yeah, this is the
other side of it. You know, sis admins and helpdesk have to also
understand that you need to, to approach people with Wow,
that's, I mean, that's amazing. There's a whole a whole
department of quality assurance that did not find that Oh, my
God, do you have a future job if you want one? So we have to kind
of live with each other. We have to kind of do that. Anyway, back
to the database upgrade. Congratulations, that was that
worked.
Dave Jones: In it's great. Like it's it has definitely helped
like Millia like most certainly it has helped load aggregation
times. So upgrading the database. Yeah, it was fun doing
the live stream. That was great. And then I'm a little addicted
to live stream coding now.
Adam Curry: But I can understand it's all ego of course, but I
can understand.
Dave Jones: Oh, yeah, full is yes.
Adam Curry: 100% Oh, no.
Dave Jones: It is it is from A to Z ego.
Adam Curry: I did this on Megyn. Kelly, I can't believe it. I
threw out 100%
Dave Jones: And I just my number you didn't you just did it.
Adam Curry: And I went oh, I'm sorry. I retract that. She said
what what happened? What happened? I said 100%. I'm
trying to get away from that. Why? Because Kara Swisher says
it. Is it you say that? Oh, yeah. threw her under the bus.
No problem. No problem.
Dave Jones: See my visa? Why Postgres SQL instead of Mongo? i
If you talk about the main database, it's neither as MySQL.
That's not Yeah, I guess it's weird. So you want
Adam Curry: to give us Are there any details? I mean, do you want
to just give us I mean, this is the central podcast index
database, you know, we increased our costs, we increased
increased our capacity, our I guess, our processing speed, or
our data retrieval speed. I mean, tell give us a little a
little breakdown here.
Dave Jones: All of the above, it was most number one issue was
disk space, we were at at 81% disk space usage. So that was
going to have to change. The biggest the biggest issue was
display. Second biggest issue was just processor, we needed
more CPU, because we're just doing a lot more traffic. Right.
And we had a I think people would be very surprised at this
at the amount of horsepower, we get out of the size of database
instance we were using. So we were that database had the old
one had 16 gigs of RAM, six vCPUs in like three keep turning
120 database reward when he
Adam Curry: was 16 or what you had 16 Watts, what are those
Dave Jones: 16 gigabytes of ram,
Adam Curry: ram it baby.
Dave Jones: So, I mean, if you look at h top, it was like,
Adam Curry: Oh, I love your H top show me your H top.
Dave Jones: I'm on h top. But if you look at it was like nut, all
the all the CPU, all the cores are pegged at like 95 plus
percent all the time, just pretty much constantly. Now
everything now it's it's a 32 gig box with eight CPU cores.
640 gigs of RAM, so we can fit, we can easily fit the entire
podcasts table, feed table in RAM cast fully, we can fit most
a lot of the joining tables in and that's helping a lot. So
we're getting we're able to, since the the cache size is
about 28 gigs. So that means you know, on the second request,
it's pulling straight out of ram a lot of the time unless you do
some sort of like full and
Adam Curry: that's what makes it that's what makes everything
always fast. Right? Pull it out of Ram Ram. Yep,
Dave Jones: for sure. So like things like just things like
very frequent lookups like in the In the dev API key table and
stuff like that, I mean this stuff just be it's just smoke
fast now. So, yeah, no, it's it was good. And so that led us.
The other thing we needed was at the aggregators, there's,
there's nine aggregators. And they all, they all grab batches
of feeds at a time according to some sequel selectors. And to
try to, like even everything out across, even the load out across
all the aggregator fleet. So they, they grab batches of
feeds. And then when they when they write back to the database,
he would just get these like, occasionally get deadlocks,
because Oh, no
Adam Curry: deadlock, bad. Deadlock, deadlock bad.
Dave Jones: So that got better after the upgrade. But then I
sort of spent some time the day afterwards, going through and
doing something I've been meaning to do for a while it's
improved the aggregators, and they're more reliable now. So
what I did was, I want everything to be as maximum
utilization. So the way this works is that there's two
there's nine aggregators, they each are they each take a batch
of feeds, so like, aggregator one grabs, all the feeds that
are marked as for immediate poll, immediate parse, between
feed ID zero and a million aggregator two takes all of the
immediate parse feeds
Unknown: 1,000,002 million. Okay. Right.
Dave Jones: So that that's the first selector criteria. So it
takes those off the top can
Adam Curry: ask you a question. Could you get a feel for these
things, right? You say four of those aggregators, I guess that
go up to the 4 million or 5 million? Do you notice that one
of those is a little faster than the other?
Dave Jones: One of them is a little fishy.
Adam Curry: I knew it because you can feel that shit. Like you
can't. Just faster just this faster, I know is cool.
Dave Jones: Well, this is an interesting thing, too, for some
reason, and I'm not sure exactly why don't have if it's got
something to do it the way that we initially seated the database
or whatever. But a lot of the frequently updated podcasts, the
most frequently updated podcasts are in the zero to a million ID
range. There's a lot a lot of those. So a lot of them have a
six digit ID numbers, or five digit ID numbers, like, over
like podcasts into 10920666. Is the is podcast index ID for that
or 92066920666. Really, that's
Adam Curry: we are 920666. Yeah, that doesn't feel good.
Dave Jones: Can't change it was the devil's number. Yeah,
Adam Curry: no kidding.
Dave Jones: No agenda is 41 504. So there's a lot of these low
numbers that I don't know, they just ended up in that range. So
Mr. Spitz are not now unfortunately, wanting to like,
like some special cool
Adam Curry: code, man.
Dave Jones: Yeah. But okay, so you have, that's, that's what
each aggregator does initially, but then that may only be at any
given time, that may only be like, I don't know, 10 feeds,
right there that are marked for immediate polling. So it fills
in the rest of, of its batch. With, with other with feeds that
have not based on a priority system, it's there's a priority
number in their, in his it's descending of priority. Plus,
sorted by how old how long. It's been since the feed was last
checked. So
Adam Curry: do you have a whole this is called an algorithm also
sometimes called artificial intelligence? is fully AI? Yeah,
we need to put that podcast index.org. Now with AI?
Dave Jones: Yeah, we can claim that we can get r&d research
credit tax credit. Now your
Adam Curry: talk, you know what this whole thing is r&d research
credit.
Dave Jones: Oh, yeah, that, you know, we need to apply for that.
But we'd have to I think
Adam Curry: we have to pay ourselves first in order to it's
only for people I think
Dave Jones: it's only for payroll, right. We don't have we
don't have payroll wouldn't work. So, yeah, so it feels it
feels in that so what I wanted to do was make sure that it's
getting as many feeds as it possibly can at every poll. So I
have it start what's called
Adam Curry: maximizing the pool.
Dave Jones: Yes, maximizing the pool Showtime. It starts at In
1000, feeds, it pulls us out. So this would be each aggregator
does this, it starts at 1000. And then at a at a time, pulls
that in if it if it will pull the feeds, and then we're using
aggravator, which is the rust polar, then it passes that batch
of feeds to party time, which is the JavaScript parser. If party
time crashes, we know that there was, too it pulled too much data
and it ran node out of memory. So basically, it drops a touch
file before it starts, passes it to node. If that touch file is
still there, after it completes, it knows that it knows crash.
It's hung. Right? Yeah, it just get quit it crashed it core
dumped. Yeah. So it backs off in increments of 100 feeds. And
until it finds that it doesn't crash.
Adam Curry: There's a very intricate algorithm you've
created here.
Dave Jones: Yeah. Being complicated,
Adam Curry: there's a lot of this freedom controller
knowledge.
Dave Jones: No, this is just stuff that we've learned since
the index. Okay. You will the freedom trailer never had this
many feats to deal with, right? True. You just never had this
kind of problem you're talking about, like the average from
Costa Rica was like 6000 feet, you know, it's not a big deal.
But so it finds it finds a point where it doesn't crash. And then
just in then stays there. And if it stays there for 48 hours, it
tries to move up a little bit more. If it crashes, again, it's
it goes back down. So it'll periodically try to raise its
feed pole level. If it can.
Adam Curry: Now this was maybe crazy 48 hours, maybe a crazy
question. But when it dumps core, I mean, does that mean
something fundamentally is wrong? Or is that just an out of
memory issue?
Dave Jones: It it runs or shooting code
Adam Curry: isn't just shitty code. This is my code
Dave Jones: as well remember rule number one also for stocks
and even even years, you know. So the, the issue here is that,
like aggravator, you can throw, you could throw 100,000 feeds at
it, and it will take about 30 minutes to download them all.
But it will do it. Yeah. And it will never use more than 200
Meg's RAM at the most. That's just it's just super efficient
that way. Once you pass the feed X and mail over to party Tom,
JavaScript has, I mean, you you have limits there because now
you're dealing with XML, you're passing potentially 11 to 20
megabytes of XML per feed sometimes crazy. And so you can
easily end up with if you pull too many feeds at once. That's
Adam Curry: with gigabytes and gigabytes of stuff. Yeah, yeah,
you could
Dave Jones: hand party time, five gigs of XML data to deal
with and he can't fit it in memory. So it basically so that
it does it, it just self adjust as it goes until it finds each
until it finds the happy place for each aggregator. And some
aggregators are running right now. It 250 to 300 feeds, some
are averaging 150 feeds per poll. And it's just it just
happens to be whatever mix that they're comfortable with. But
each one is maximized. I mean, like they're they're almost you
know, they're going full bore all the time.
Adam Curry: I love this new metric FPP.
Dave Jones: What is FPP? Fees? Proposal? Fee? proposal is where
Adam Curry: we use predominant, we use pedometer on the on the
index homepage. fees per pole. Yeah, fees per pole, how many
FPP? We run them? Brah.
Dave Jones: Let's see what is that? Let's see this about I
think we're averaging about 200. So that's so we're right, we're
probably about 2000 feeds per per minute. Wow. Yeah, per
minute. And that's prioritized for you know, those different
factors that I was talking about.
Adam Curry: And so when I hit pod ping, do I move to the top
of some stack? Do I have preference when I use when I hit
pod ping? Or does it do I have to wait in some queue? Well, I
Dave Jones: mean, everything's got to be everything. He does
get queued. I mean, it has to Yeah, but the first thing, the
first thing that all the aggregators do is try to pull
immediately parse feeds that have been pod paint. Because the
pod ping and the pod ping notices and the web sub
notifications all that stuff goes into one batch. So it pulls
all that and what and we automatically recheck value for
value enabled feeds every 30 minutes anyway.
Adam Curry: Oh, very cool. Oh, it's so there's almost 15,000
feeds that get prioritized.
Dave Jones: Yeah. So those those get run through every 30 minutes
regardless of whether they it's not a real burden because we're
doing what do you call it? Like an E tag? And yeah, to
Adam Curry: make sure it's a 500 check, and yeah, make sure it's
updated. Otherwise you don't you don't pull it in.
Dave Jones: Yeah. So we, I mean, it's just a quick check, and we
get three or four and it's just it's not, it doesn't cost us
anything to do that. Wow. Yeah, no, it's working. That's
Adam Curry: so cool, man. Um, thank you on behalf of the
entire board of podcasting 2.0 Thank you for your courage.
Thank you for the work you're doing. It's it's appreciated.
And it's it's mystifying. It's overwhelming. And it's also just
baffling is like, and it's impressive. It's impressive. And
you have a full time job. I want to point out, I mean, does your
family still live with you? Do you know if they're still
around? Yes. They went away for two years and came back and
didn't even realize
Dave Jones: I got they went out. My wife and daughter went out of
town. And that's what I guess. Oh.
Adam Curry: I was like, Wow, man day spending his whole weekend
doing this. Okay, now I got it. Did you actually feed the cat or
they just left a cat on the desk the whole weekend?
Dave Jones: No, it'd be fun. Wow, water is all they need.
Adam Curry: Wow. Well, breaking news. Just change topic here for
a second. As the podcast industrial complex continues to
crumble. Spotify is racist. Let's get that Oh boy. Oh, yeah,
they do this. Spurlock posted a Bloomberg article, which he also
gave me. So that Yeah, yeah, Jamel Hill to leave Spotify and
shut down her podcast network, at least on Spotify. And this
was a big deal. They brought her in and let her start her own
podcast network for black podcasters. And it's, you know,
it's a here's how Bloomberg reads another another prominent
podcasters leaving Spotify as the company reverses many of its
biggest investments in original audio and loses yet another
black voice
Dave Jones: yet and who was the other one?
Adam Curry: The other one was the button go doo doo Vernay.
Dave Jones: I don't know that is
Adam Curry: shift du Vernay if the if the articles as this
filmmaker. Okay, so what happened? This is all Dawn
Ostroff legacy, spending more than a billion dollars to
acquire studios and exclusive licenses. And she's signed to
much fanfare several black celebrities to exclusive deals
including the Obamas of course high their production company
Higher Ground filmmaker Ava DuVernay and rapper Joe Budden.
And du Vernay, she left, you know, when, when Joe Rogan was
when they when she when they created the super clip of Joe
Rogan using the N word.
Dave Jones: Oh, I didn't really okay, so that was that. Alright.
Adam Curry: So she just left because they wouldn't do
anything. But I think the really scandalous thing. And this, you
know, these are Swedes, so they don't, they're probably not as
sensitive as they should be to how Kancil culture works in
America. When all this happened, then Jamel Hill, then she's
she's famous, you know, she was ESPN. And then she got fired
from ESPN for being just insane.
Dave Jones: She said she had reason to fire somebody.
Adam Curry: So she issued a statement saying, you know, we
need to have Spotify paying $100 million to a black person, which
at the time was was what Rogan's deal was reported to be,
although, of course, we know that probably much more. And so
what they did is they eventually created the Creator Equity Fund,
which will be $100 million. And they pretty much didn't spend
any of that as far as I know.
Dave Jones: Yet another example of Spotify, announcing something
but never actually doing
Adam Curry: exactly. So I don't know what she's going to do
where she but I think in general, the problem is Spotify
can't afford to do this anymore.
Dave Jones: I don't think anybody can afford to do this
anymore. Based on the news from the past week with all the
women's podcast conferences are not getting funding all all all.
All of the identity groups within podcasting. Have you
funded during the good times? Yep, all the money is going
away. And you see the the people who who like virtue signaling
they were on board with the with these groups, they're all just
yanking it back and all taking they're taking the money back
and
Adam Curry: I think the the conferences really, I think as
far as I understand that business really need the
sponsors. And I don't think that she conference got any sponsors
that I wish They just said we didn't have enough people to
attend. Now to make it work that, because it's very sad
story. But you know, the conference business is not easy.
It's not
Dave Jones: an easy thing to do. You have to like, if I
understand it correctly, you have to, like pre, like pre
agree or maybe even pre pay in advance for like concession.
Yeah, all
Adam Curry: kinds of stuff. You gotta you gotta you gotta
reserve stuff.
Dave Jones: Yeah, it's I was the only thing I did didn't
understand about that story was, like, where it said, one of the
ladies involved said that she had taken out a $50,000 loan
personally. Covers. And I was like, but which is fine, but I
don't know, what would you be getting a loan against? What's
the collateral?
Adam Curry: You can get, you can get money, you know, got a crazy
range or whatever. I mean, there's all kinds of ways to do
that.
Dave Jones: mean, like, I'm just saying, Oh, she didn't put her
house up.
Adam Curry: No, that's horrible. But this is, this is what was
expected to happen once the free money train was over. We
predicted this quite, quite clearly. But there's other
stuff. It's very interesting to hear how there's a lot of
pushback now. And as people realize, YouTube is a bad actor.
Oh, no. What, who expected that? You know, everyone's everyone
got so excited about Facebook. And, you know, and all these
companies promising stuff, and they never come through. But
YouTube, which is a Google property is is is of particular
interest, because they have a history of ruining RSS projects.
Specifically reader, you know, that that really just crashed
and entire, an entire software category, you know, there were
there were lots of if you didn't use a an independent,
independent application, you could use Google Reader on
Google. And they just shut it down with some bullcrap thing,
oh, people aren't using it. And they started their social
network, because they really couldn't control it. And, you
know, now that I'm hearing that at least one I'm hearing from a
good source, at least one hosting company will be
cooperating with YouTube. You know, I have to I have to just
say, again, this is a very bad idea. You are putting the entire
podcast infrastructure at risk, because it's always a race to
the bottom in the hosting business. You know, and by that,
I mean, everyone's doing dai inserting ads. So I think that
the the CPM, and the actual value of that is that's just
going straight down. It always does is how it works. supplies a
man. Yeah, race to the bottom. But you know, when I get right
now, AI is the hot thing I was talking about ai, ai and
Buzzsprout has implemented AI. And that's fine. I think the
more I look at artificial intelligence, compared to the
hype of blockchain, which lasted for a good five, six years
there. In general, AI is good for the economy, because
everyone hypes it up, and you all got to have it and everyone
starts sticking it into their company name and, you know,
money flows, and people start using it and there's excitement
but the AI winter is coming. But you know, what happens is one
company does it then everybody I've just listened to pod news
weekly review. So are you guys doing AI? Yeah. Are you guys
gonna do YouTube yet? We're gonna do Don't, don't. We have
such a Can't we cannot compete with Google's ad insertion, but
we certainly can not help them out. And we and we do have other
really cool things that we cannot, you know, okay, so we're
finally kind of everyone getting transcripts going in and
chapters, we have value for value, which is completely
different from the advertising game. build this out and promote
that more. And I just don't think that people who are either
podcasting now or starting a podcast are all like, oh, I need
to have artificial intelligence, do my show notes. I just don't
believe it. It's a marketing thing. It's used for new
customers as far it just that's my, my, my experience, guess
Dave Jones: what? So you know, in the tax industry, which is my
day job, the we've been through this cycle, many many times. And
we if you go back to 2017 2019. There in you go to a tax
conference, tax software conference or something like
that. You're going, you would have heard, and I did there you
would have heard heard keynote. He keynote talk after keynote
talk after breakout session after breakout session about
blockchain and machine learning and AI. This was six Dino This
was 678 years ago.
Adam Curry: That's the future man. Forget about Bitcoin. The
technology of blockchain is very interesting. It's the future.
Dave Jones: Yeah. And voice and voice assistants.
Adam Curry: Voice assistants. Yeah. All right.
Dave Jones: There's, there's this great article from about
five years ago that was written in, in an industry magazine that
was like, the, you know, the typical tax professional.
Here's, here's what life is gonna look like 10 years from
now. Yeah, the tech, you know, your tax professional. Jane, she
wakes up in the morning, and she immediately asks her voice
assistant, hey, voice assistant, what what do I have on my
calendar today? In the voice assistant says, Oh, Hello, good
morning, Jane. You have three appointments today, one with you
know, this client and this client and this client? And she
says, Oh, what, what is the first one about is, oh, this
client wants to talk to you wants to talk to you about their
new business strategy that they're contemplating. And Jane
replies to the voice assistant. Oh, can you run? Can you run an
analysis of what this type of tax situation looks like in the
state of New York?
Adam Curry: Star Trek Star Trek shit. Yeah.
Dave Jones: It is bullcrap. It's so she like. But this, this
whole article was about doom and gloom, like a the tax industry
is going to be destroyed by this new technology. And we've been
through this many, many times before. And this is just the
like, this is the the reality of all of these things is way more
mundane than all of that, like you will win it fine. In I wrote
an article for an industry trade magazine back in 2019, about
this very subject, that the the reality of the way that things
like this new technologies come into widespread use within
industry, is they come in through by being baked into the
tools you already use. And so I think bus Brad is a great
example. So they're their tool, lets you automatically generate
chapter markers. That's one of the things that does, hey,
that's a great idea. Because now people who didn't want to take
the take the extra time to create chapters, now they get
it, they essentially get it. I know it costs but they get it
quote unquote, for free. So podcasting 2.0 gets more
feature, you know, they this is a new podcasting 2.0 enabled
podcast that wouldn't have before because the person didn't
want to bother.
Adam Curry: I do want to point out that hyper capture has had
this capability to create chapters automatically for I
don't know, two years.
Dave Jones: Probably based off the transcript. Yes, of course.
Yeah, of course,
Adam Curry: you know, so, but you know, you call it AI and
it's cool. That's fine. That's fine.
Dave Jones: That's that's the way that large language model
technology will make its way into now everyday use and it's
in it's it's mundane stuff like that. I mean, it's stuff that
just is a slight tweak to your already existing process. But
Adam Curry: I I just have to point out again, I love dred
Scott's choices. I love dred Scott's choice of imagery. I
love, love what he does. He's talent. It's pure human talent,
like, Oh, this is a great chapter based upon factors that
AI can't even fathom right now. Can't even take into account.
Dave Jones: The AI thing is such in again, we had a conversation
at the office about this very thing this morning. The AI thing
is just such a tech industry. Like, miss, they are perfect.
They're intentionally Miss communicating what this thing is
Adam Curry: agreed. And it's all for money. It's all to get money
rolling.
Dave Jones: I got a I've got a couple of clips.
Adam Curry: Oh, we haven't had a clip in a while from you, Mr.
Jones,
Dave Jones: one of which is Paul throt. Explaining what and I
would I would say that Microsoft is probably the biggest culprit
and all this bull crap.
Adam Curry: While it's running on a lot of their Azure servers
this is this week in Windows or this week in Microsoft or is
that what this is from Windows weekly, Windows weekly.
Dave Jones: So he is explaining here. In clip one, he's
explaining what what this really is all about is the stock price.
Unknown: We've had this discussion in the past about I
kind of evolved over time, but I believe that AI came out of
Microsoft at this point in time, specifically because of the
market cap and the stock price. And they're a bit they needed
something to goose that because, you know, as your revenue growth
was 70 7070 6040 27% last quarter, and they were they
weren't they didn't want was Wall Street to suddenly react
and say, Oh my God, what's going on with this company, they used
to be on the leading edge. And now they're Oldsmobile again.
And so I think AI puts them back up with a perception.
Absolutely.
Adam Curry: Oh, man, I'm telling I'm using that clip for no
agenda, thank you. Good, clear, totally accept, and they were
indeed the ones who first came out. But then it got all twisted
by the PR people also known as propagandist. And it got turned
into the future. And that's when Google had to come up with barf
and all that other stuff.
Dave Jones: It's funny that you mentioned the PR, or the
marketing people, because clip two of this sequence is about
the marketing guy, and Microsoft and what he you know, and the
the email that he sent out internally about any of you.
This is in the context of Microsoft said, I think it was
maybe a month ago, or a couple of months ago, they told all
their employees that they're basically not gonna get a raise
this year, nobody's nobody's all the bonuses are going to be
tiny. Nobody's getting a raise, basically, everything's all
their pay is frozen. And so that's clip two is what what
that all is about
Unknown: Chris cap, Chris capozella, our friend gotten a
lot of trouble recently, because an internal email he had written
in response to employees complaining about compensation
and not getting raises when public. And what he wrote was,
he's like, guys, like, there's nothing, you know, like, he
doesn't control their raises, by the way, is the market chief
marketing officer, but he said, Look, this very plain language,
if you want to be compensated better, you need to make sure
that you're doing something to positively impact Microsoft
stock price. And what he meant by that was AI, like, you need
to make sure that you're at your, that your job is to put AI
into whatever your product is. And my god, people went after
him like he was like the Antichrist or something. But
really, he's really doing is just kind of parroting the
internal emails that Microsoft executives were sending out last
year saying, Guys, we are doing AI, you need to wrap your heads
around this, and you need to get on board because this is
happening.
Adam Curry: Oh, man, I can't even imagine the support
nightmare that's going to happen for IT departments when the AI
gets, you know, starts indexing all of your stuff. And you know,
and not coming up with the right answers. It's gonna be hard and
even just stopping it from indexing stuff. It's gonna be
horrible.
Dave Jones: Oh, yeah. I mean, we, you know, at our firm, we
had to send it send out a message saying, hey, you know,
you can't use these tools. Because I mean, you if you got
it, that's proprietary information. You can't just be
handing this out to the things as as most companies are having
to do now, like, there's there's all these moratoriums going out
to everybody saying, Hey, you can't submit our internal stuff.
But I think just like be exact. Yeah, exactly. I mean, you're
basically that's like, that's like a it's like a manual data
breach. Yeah. But we're, you know, I go back to what Peter
Thiel said in, I think it's this sort of famous saying in 2013.
He knows we're, we were promised flying cars, and what we got was
140 characters. Yeah, that's That's true. There is a there's
a technological innovation. I think his term was deceleration
is happening. All the big. All the big monster advancements
have already been done. Where there's hardly any of division,
none of those left that we know of. And what's what they're
trying to do now is all about trying to just get every last
cent. Yeah, out of the market before this whole thing just
just falls.
Adam Curry: So let's be different. I'm gonna take this
back to YouTube. I'm making a plea to all hosting companies to
not participate in the YouTube RSS ingestion. Even if your
customers ask for it. If we stand strong than if everyone
says no, we're just not as an industry, we're not doing that
this will be the one thing we could do, which will send a
very, very strong message to the world. Now, do I think that will
happen? No, I'm pretty sure at least one company will do this.
And that will make everyone or almost everyone feel they need
to do this. So the minute that happens, I am going to start a
counter initiative. I am and this is baby view. Yeah. And,
and this is based on my fantastic experience with start
OS right now. No, this is the start nine which I would say on
Roll is just like that only start nine, doesn't string
Dockers together, it built an OS for this stuff. And it and you
really don't I have not seen a command line yet. So it kind of
works quite well. And it's stable. And they do have a, it's
just it's a it's a very cool box. I mean, it's, there's, of
course, it's not done yet. And there's all kinds of things they
need to do and you need to access it either locally or on
tour and all this stuff but helipad is running on it.
Beautifully stable. The new version also, by the way, the
one that has the stream as well as the boost.
Dave Jones: Oh, the one other GitHub. Yep. Off the repo. Yeah,
it's been even have an image for that yet.
Adam Curry: It's in the app store that's in the Start nine
application store or whatever they call it there. IPFS
podcasting in their works. It will be an official app soon. I
would like to see a big plea to our French brothers. Casta pod
will be beautiful.
Dave Jones: Oh, yeah. Just while you go, huh? No, as
Adam Curry: I said, Yeah, I mean that because I could never it
was very hard to get cast upon running a bundle that up in
their app system. I think that will be a great app to have you
and the companies on board that really want to support peer to
peer tube. Thank you the next one. And here, here's the
question I had. Is there a way I mean, I guess you can have
alternate enclosure with IPFS. Which, of course would require
for it to work properly the apps to add IPFS knowledge into their
into their apps, which may not be trivial, I'm not sure. But
let's just say you have pinning server, the initiative I would
want to start is, here's your sovereign podcasting stack. And,
and I would start it you can you don't have to buy start nine,
you can load start nine on your old hardware, do whatever you
want, you know, just like Umbral, here's your stack. And
distribution works through IPFS. And here's these IPFS, like exit
nodes if you know for HTTP access to the files. And my
initiative would require that anyone who uses this uses value
for value, and that there's a upfront sharing of SATs for who
anyone who's running one of these nodes. Now, I don't want
to go down the filecoin route and all that, and this is just
coming together in my head. But if if we start giving our shit
to YouTube, the end is in sight. And with that, I mean the end of
hosting companies. Because once these guys see some money,
they're gonna take it, they'll take whatever they can, they
will take it away from you, and they'll hide the it's a little
hijack. And so the only way I know how to do it is to resort
to this. And I think that this initiative could work if we, if
we really thought about it. But the you know, we've we've had it
this IPFS podcasting works. It works, you load up the app, you
blow it on the iPad, app, two nodes now running an Umbra one
on Start OS, and you can get these files, and we have nodes
all over the world. It works. And people are using it very
few. I have a feeling that that type of initiative will be
needed as this as a backup plan. Because we just can't count on
commercial hosting companies to stay solid.
Dave Jones: The only thing I can say is, here's the here's my
initial thought is you said if they see you're said if YouTube
starts to see the money. Yeah, you know, that's when they'll
do. The only thing I can think of here is that there's just not
that much money. It is not the way that it's not worth their
time.
Adam Curry: Well, no, no, they have a very, very well
established advertising business. It may not be as big
as it was a year and a half ago, but it's still it's a huge
behemoth. There's billions of dollars a quarter. And you know,
and they'll just they can insert anything they want to do they
have the market on advertising. And that's literally the thing
that they're not allowing you to do is upload ads. So it's very
obvious where they see the money. They won't charge you.
They won't charge you. But that's where it's I mean, it's
going to be just like Spotify, which is now of course you know,
we've now lived with it for how many years we live with Spotify,
podcasting, it's falling apart. They've turned racist. You know,
all this stuff is happening. We're listening When you turn
racist, which of course they're not, but they're going to be
deemed racist. Now they're being cancelled. Spotify is being
cancelled, and YouTube will slip right in and say, Oh, we can do
it better. You watch
Dave Jones: the. There's Well, there's I don't know if you saw
that other article about how it's like, it's June and Spotify
and gimlet ringer and all the Spotify own networks still don't
have their budgets for the year.
Adam Curry: No, of course not. I haven't seen like article. I
didn't see the article. Yeah, that
Dave Jones: thing's I mean, like, it's, there's a lot of
hand wringing going on within the Spotify production
companies. This whole thing. The reason I say that about
YouTube's much about the amount of money this, then I don't know
if you've been sort of kind of keeping track of this. But the
numbers that are reported within the podcast industry as far as
revenues go, they've always been. Let's just say PSAs. But
shut Yeah, suspect. Oh, but
Adam Curry: Yeah, hello, millennial. Young kids.
Millennial, Dave speaking.
Dave Jones: Yes. I heard a guy recently. He's, he's like a 25
or something like this. I'm picking up the lingo.
Adam Curry: Sketch sketch. Yeah,
Dave Jones: I'm starting to say cringe ally.
Adam Curry: No, no, no, this is so bad.
Dave Jones: But they've always been a little suspect. Now. At
the point, this point. They're all over the map. I mean, you
see, i be i think it is reporting like $1.8 billion in
the podcasting, you know, industry. Let me get and then
and then you'll have some people saying, here's this Magellan AI
report, which I which I always look at, which I think is great.
Adam Curry: For comedy purposes, is this why he's looking at
Dave Jones: Yes, for comedy. Yes. Supposedly, this Podcast,
the podcast industrial complex is worth $1.8 billion. That's
what we've been. That's what we've been being told. One of
the key findings of the Magellan AI report was that podcast ad
spending in quarter four, increased 23% year
Adam Curry: over year. Echo notices quarter over quarter,
quarter over quarter. Okay. Yeah,
Dave Jones: so at $1.8 billion a year. You're telling me that the
podcast ad spending went up like $400 million in a quarter? Give
me a break. Now. This is what we this is what we call horse
manure. Yeah,
Adam Curry: no. And I think the baseline number 1.8 billion it
includes probably include Sirius XM you know portion of revenue
from you know the quote unquote satellite radio. I heard from
the radio stations it's in and they don't really have numbers.
I don't think they have the actual numbers. Not everyone
reports numbers. So yeah, it's just it just whatever. I'm not
sending it.
Dave Jones: I bet you the total revenue of ad podcast
advertising. Total global I mean, like worldwide, a real
number is probably a few 100 million. And that's just not
anything for YouTube. That's That's chump change. It's chump
change. When you like look at look at tick tock so tick tock.
Adam Curry: That's there. Now you can now you're talking
that's where the real money is.
Dave Jones: Did and this is fun. This is a good article. So if
you think you should read it, you're kind
Adam Curry: of taking away the reason for my whole initiative
now.
Dave Jones: Like it, go ahead. No, no, I retract retract.
Adam Curry: No, I mean, not now you're saying there's no money?
You know, I look, I look. Alright, Joe. It just bugs me.
This is the one thing that is distributed in podcasting has
done so well. And I'm worried and in general, I'm worried
about the health of these companies. I don't know if all
of them will survive the and we're not seeing I'm convinced
we're not seeing new podcasters you know, it's not like the like
the industry is growing with more podcasters just isn't I
mean, we can see that we're not seeing the we're not seeing an
incredible increase in new shows being created. So you know, it's
like it just as we say in the old country, I can feel it on my
water. My water is telling me this isn't this is we're in a
little bit of a precarious situation. We've got people
investing into this YouTube thing, like they invested into
Facebook and God note and and and Spotify for podcasters mean
what do you think that means? That's literally your competitor
you helped build there.
Dave Jones: And I think I understand what you're saying. I
do and I think you're I think your instinct. I mean, I feel
your instincts are right because the pot guest hosting is the
concept, okay, the podcast hosting concept of just, you
know, pay him pay it, you pay a monthly fee, and we host all
your stuff and make it easy for you to create content. That's a
good business. Yeah. That's a good solid. Like, not scammy
business, you provide a service and you you get that service for
a reasonable price. Like, if, if what happens is YouTube just
sees that it's so easy to scan to confiscate that entire
business for free.
Adam Curry: Remember, you're giving people hosting all they
have to do, all YouTube has to do they say, Hey, you know,
what? What are you paying over there at? And they know your
email address. They know who you are, but he paid over there to
at hosting company X, you know, we're gonna now provide RSS
feeds. So why would you be over there? When you get us, you get
our marketing, you get our placement, you get our
promotion, you get our ads, and here's an RSS feed. And then all
of a sudden, they'll say, for those legacy apps,
Dave Jones: and you don't even have to, yeah, that's a good
point about the legs. Yes. And you don't, in that scenario, you
wouldn't even have to import your feed, because they've
already got
Adam Curry: already got it. They just turn around and say, You
know what, instead of uploading, they're just like the cell phone
business, you know, we're gonna give you $20 to come over here.
Yeah, come over here for 20 Here's, here's a bonus for $20.
And you all you have to do is instead of going over there,
just upload your stuff here. And now we have RSS feeds for you.
Dave Jones: If a if, if anchored can run 5 million podcast RSS
feeds at a loss and still survive for years and years who
can as well YouTube can do it in their in their sleep, and
Adam Curry: YouTube would have no problem down the line saying
hey, you got to pay $1 A month or whatever, it's just isn't
such an obvious trap. And if one big podcast host goes for it,
everybody's gonna have to go for it. Because that's, that's the
nature of the business, your, your, your coopetition. Anyway,
so I, I
Dave Jones: you're convincing the you you wave a wave of
convincing.
Adam Curry: Now and meanwhile, this is happening at a very
exciting moment in podcasting, where we now have figured out
how to create recreate a music industry without the legacy of
performing rights organizations record labels, without Spotify.
In fact, we are proving that people who use our system with a
very small audience right now, which is what do we have? We're
Spurlock what is podcasting? 2.0 What is our suppose it audience
you have the numbers in front of you? What
Dave Jones: you mean? Like our like?
Adam Curry: Was it 8000? Maybe tops?
Dave Jones: I can look it up?
Adam Curry: Look it up. If it's even that a very small audience,
then we own we own the wave Lake top five.
Dave Jones: Wait, are you going to play music? Yes, I am, of
course. Because I would like to like to since?
Adam Curry: Yes, it's called the setup.
Dave Jones: I felt it. And I'm also neat, but I need to take
time, I need to take this opportunity to launch my web
socket listener? Because I want to watch
Adam Curry: Ah, yes, of course. You want to switch the web? Man,
you set up your own web socket listener, God knows why. But you
set one up, what do you do with this web socket listener?
Dave Jones: Well, I want to I want to watch what Steven bass
sending in. In the live.
Adam Curry: Well, can you? Well, well, can you do both at the
same time? Can you? Can you take a look at the at our audience
size first?
Dave Jones: First, yes, again, let me find let me find that
live because we
Adam Curry: are I mean, people are getting 100 $200 here again,
for just being played on this show. Now granted, we have a
community who's interested in this and they're supporting the
whole set. By the way, as I'm leading up to this, please make
sure that you using curio caster, or pod friend currently
the only two the apps that support this, who also benefit
from these tests. I mean, I see some nice, nice baller boosts
going to these artists to these musicians, which is again part
of value for value. It really does work. And it far surpasses
anything these artists as musicians, these creatives
creators have ever gotten from Spotify. Or they get stats, they
get some stats, you know, they don't even hit the payout level.
By the way, I was used I tried boosting on pod friend and I
don't think it went through to the artist. I don't know if that
was I don't know if that was something's broken or not, but
I'm just going to presume that it's working. So you will want
to either re listen to this episode or you want to listen to
this part of this episode. I To support the test because the
test what this test is resulting in is I'm, I now have 10 emails
a day of people saying, Hey, I heard from this guy. Hey, yeah,
hey look, listen, I heard from this guy over there and I'm that
guy that you know if you play my song that it pays off that
people have supported and I'm getting friends friends of
friends. I got a recommendation today which I'm going to play
from Steven B. Which we listened to Yeah. Oh you're gonna love it
which started out on on MSP self hosted I believe it's now also
been added to wave lake which I love you know, because wave Lake
dystopia the two that do it for sure. Now, you can also data
directly to the index with a with a medium equals music tag,
if you know what you're doing, but I would say music side
project.com is a good place to start for that to get it all set
up. And then you can get your value block through podcaster
wallet.com or through fountain now we need more more people to
jump in and and create these systems from from musicians,
then I'm not sure what wave Lake is doing. I don't see a lot of
development there. We certainly don't have any music specific
players. But I'm okay with that because I'm bringing back Music
Radio. That's my plan. Now I want to hit 9421
Dave Jones: unique listeners in May.
Adam Curry: So that results in a couple 100 bucks for a song
played once. Which is more than you know than a song screaming
1000s of times on Spotify. Straight up It's just math.
Dave Jones: It's good man. It's good man. It's good math
Adam Curry: is your WebSocket listener up and running Are you
are you good there it is I'm
Dave Jones: listening you'll be amazed at how many things I'm
doing it once.
Adam Curry: Well same here because I had to activate the
remote value block doing that in sovereign feeds definitely the
way to go. If you're running with scissors now this is a
little different for those quote unquote independent songs has a
very nice Motown kind of vibe to it. A nice one to chill out on
your Friday afternoon and your board meeting with a late night
special it sounds like a bummer but it's not the sunshine never
comes a podcasting 2.0
Unknown: never got the sunshine the sunshine until it's rain and
life is called
sing these words put them in your pocket and show them what
you
need to know the sunshine the sunshine the sunshine
make your soul Chase another dream that you can let go in
life moves on when you feed us so we got the sunshine the
sunshine the sunshine train
know
Dave Jones: oh man I'm so mellow, kind of almost started
coding here.
Adam Curry: Well, I have a have a far end of show, we'll do a
song as well. Very like a blink 182 type vibe. Oh, cool. Yeah,
just really rocket into the weekend. And of course, once
again, I I request from all developers, they consider
putting in the remote value block item tag thingamabob,
what's it called? The time split. split time value.
Dave Jones: Yeah, they time split value time.
Adam Curry: So I please, Oscar said he's putting it into
fountain within the month of June. And the minute he does,
we're gonna have money to talk about that and other things. And
I just, I just love this. I love this. I love this. I love this.
This is going to create a whole new industry.
Dave Jones: So are you hitting the I'm watching the socket
here. Are you hitting the Z some sort of like saying, are you
having to sync it or tell it when the song is over? Yes. Like
you have to do something manually.
Adam Curry: Yes, yeah. So the process here, there's a whole
dashboard, undervaluing time splits on sovereign feed
sovereign feeds.com. And so when you when I start the show, I hit
the general Synchronize button with the show, you don't have to
but it just makes it easier than post production. And then the
minute I start the song, I hit the sync button. So I've already
loaded up the two songs I'm playing for today. Cuz you and
you and you actually load them up in sovereign feeds, because
you can see all the albums that are available all the artists
and you and you searching select, and you say, Okay, this
is the song I want pops into your little playlist there. And
then the minute you hit your play button, you sync it up so
that in post production, you can easily find where the song
starts. It's, you know, only be a couple seconds off. And, and
then when the song ends, I hit the big red button that says
Activate podcasters value block. And that's and that's which is
the wallet back and and the artwork back, I believe. Okay,
okay. It's really it's, it's quite simple to comprehend and
quite easy to use. And then when I go to post production, I can
literally copy over the value block. I mean, the whole thing
works. Sovereign feeds.com Is my Swiss Army knife of feed
creation telling you right now,
Dave Jones: well, this kind of heads us in the direction of
talking about goods because remote value in a value time
split a relies on remote item which references a good as its
primary way of finding a podcast, right. And had an
grippit. at a at a good conversation with with brown of
London the other day, he called. And we just talked through goods
and everything. And he was like, you know, look, I think I want
to make a service that you can run yourself, like anybody can
run it as a part of helping to D decentralize the media services
away from podcast index. So we don't have to host the whole
world. And here's like this, yes, this, this resolution piece
feels like a good way to do that, like this feels. When you
talk about resolving things, it's good. That's a good
decentralization methods are like DNS. So and he described it
to me, he's like, you know, I think I can just sit down the
weekly database from podcast index, and loaded up in this in
this Docker container app. And then you we can just have
multiple resolvers anybody with you can run it for five bucks on
a Linode. And
Adam Curry: just something that everybody can everyone, but
everybody can run one. And then we'll have some kind of round
robin system that you ping a central, a central resource and
send you to the one anyone the next one on the list.
Dave Jones: Yeah, so that that was that was kind of like,
phase, sort of phase two of what I was thinking like, you know,
get get these things rolling. And then anybody who wanted to
participate, we could throw in just a, you know, a round robin
DNS resolver, that gives you a random one, you know, on the
back end, right. So so that your you know, it's it's load
balancing itself, their DNS, just a simple share method.
Sure. And I mean, I think that's a nice idea. Don't there's one
thing, but one thing we got to talk through is the how to
resolve those couple things. If so, we have we have two general
issues. One is good resume good conflicts. And this fits into
the larger idea of just duplicates in general. So we
know that the idea of a podcast guid is sound, right? The is a
decentralized idea that the podcast declares its it within
itself. And we decided early on, that's not a problem. Because
when the in the case where a another feed claims to have the
same good as a different feed, then you you will now you're
it's not a problem, because now you're letting the world know.
You're letting the world know that I've done something wrong
with my feed. Right. So the world can tell you back hey, go
fix your feed.
Adam Curry: Yeah, which is exactly I had this exact problem
I had because of a sovereign feeds issue. I had a duplicate
guid and Spurlock said, Hey, no, no, no, no, no. Yeah. And that's
how it's supposed to work.
Dave Jones: And we we except this sort of thing. In lots of,
of areas of networking technology, for instance, Oh,
yeah.
Adam Curry: IP addresses. Yeah. And MAC address clashes, all
kinds of
Dave Jones: stuff clashes. Yes, addressing clashes are common.
And when you and the way that you resolve them is you get
notified of them and you go fix it. Right. So this is not an
issue. But the the, that is not an issue, the issue is how do we
resolve them? And I think this fits into the broader discussion
of I need to give, I need to provide tools to you primarily,
but then other people within the podcasting 2.0. Project, to help
Adam Curry: adjust and fix these things to cure these issues.
Yes,
Dave Jones: yes. So here's my initial niche, throw this out at
you first mind sort of initial thoughts.
Adam Curry: This is a point of personal privilege for the
board. Yes, yes.
Dave Jones: I would live Yes, comrade, I would like to have
Adam Curry: the privilege granted comrade.
Dave Jones: Okay. My initial thought was, you need as the
main, you know, help desk for podcasts index, you need a
dashboard. Yeah. To log into that you can just go and do a
couple of quick utility functions, reset the feed, which
clears it and pulls a fresh one. Yep. Or kills it to get all
together, like just those two tools alone, I think would solve
90% of your issues,
Adam Curry: right? Maybe even 95? Yeah, it's always like, hey,
you know, I did this, but it doesn't show up. So complete
refresh would be great. And get me out of your database, or the
I have 15 versions of my feed. Yeah, all of this is really
those two functions. Exactly.
Dave Jones: Okay, so the first two things, the reset the feed
from scratch, and end market as dead. Those two functions are
simple. The third one of those, and though and those are ones
that you get? The the third one seems like the bigger issue. And
here's what I thought on that. There needs to generally be a
way that we can say, okay, these, these designated
individuals get access to some sort of dashboard, where were
you, on request are given a batch of duplicate fields, then
you can go through and result like you can mark Okay, this one
is a duplicate of this, like, you can do that you can fix it,
you can fix up the issue. And let me know, I don't know what
necessarily the UI looks like that.
Adam Curry: But this is a D duping task. Is that what this
is? Uh, you can you can say, hey, I have an hour, give me
some dupes. And I'll run through them and see what the problem
is. Yes, it's called human intelligence.
Dave Jones: Exactly. And we know that. Well, we'll see there's a
better word for that unanimously. So we know that
there are only about 50,000 dupes in the database total. We
had somebody run those numbers. And so if we had, you know, an
army of people watching the gates so to speak, they could
clean that up in no time.
Adam Curry: Yeah, no kidding. I mean, I got time. I Should I
agree when asked Tina here? Do you do please? Do some homework?
Yeah, she'll do it. She'll do it. A lot of people will do that
everyone will love participating in that. Absolutely.
Dave Jones: And so I thought if we had if we had it laid out on
nice and clean where you had, okay, here are what we think
are. Here's a podcast where we think there are the two extra
duplicates. This one has an app, an iTunes ID, this one does not.
Here's what here's what Apple reports back as the feet what
the feed URL is, here's what the latest pod pain was, basically
just give a whole bunch of information so that somebody can
make an intelligent decision. And then let them go in and say,
Okay, this is the right one, these other two are duplicates,
right? Which is Mark just a couple of checkboxes done and
Adam Curry: what what is the what is the reason that this
cannot be automated? Why is it that a human needs to do this?
Dave Jones: Because there's a lot of edge cases that happen?
Okay, what what, for instance, let me give you one, there's a
many times you'll see a podcast, where the podcast where they
are, they have moved their feed from, let's just say, a cast
over to Buzzsprout. And they net, they did not go back and
update their their Apple podcast connect feed to point to the new
URL, so it's still pointing to the old one. So the incorrect
one now has an iTunes ID associated with it. The correct
one does not. And we can't change the old one, because we
have to stay in sync. For it for feeds that have iTunes ID, we
need to stay in sync with what Apple says. Because we have
people like Marco that depend on that. If we start telling, and
we don't know, I mean, we don't know which one is the new one,
because they had, they didn't, they did not change it, they
didn't set a redirect, they've just messed, they've essentially
just messed their feet up. And some a human has to go in there
and work through that and say, Okay, this is what's going on.
And so there's there's just issues like that. Sometimes it's
a categories issue like WordPress, we don't there, there
might be
Adam Curry: how about this? I've thought? So, um, clearly there's
a whole bunch of of edge cases, is it possible to hand off this,
this process to people using apps. And so here's my thinking,
because someone just said something in the chat room,
which I liked. Meet us. So if you had it, if you hand it off
to users of apps, and you say, for every Correct. D duping that
you do, we'll give you 100 Satoshis. Now, when they do
this, they it doesn't necessarily delete anything or
change anything database right away, but it creates a list that
can then be looked at by someone who has the power and says,
okay, good, good, good, good, good, good, good. Or is that
complicating things too much?
Dave Jones: That's not no, that's not that's not
complicating things too much. I think we would still have to
have some sort of approval process that would lead,
Adam Curry: right. But the approval process would be, you
know, a trusted person. But you basically say, hey, help help
the index. And because people find this stuff all the time,
you can actually say, hey, use this app, and we'll give you a
reward. Is that a crazy thought?
Dave Jones: No, not a crazy thought. I'm just thinking
through the you really need two layers of sort of validation on
that you would want? Yeah, of course, you'd want the people,
you'd want a small group of people that could approve a
change, correct. And then you would want a slightly larger
group of people that were still had to go still had to be given
the the approval or the rights to get into this ability to,
Adam Curry: okay, maybe gamifying it too early, maybe
it's not not something that should be gamified. Well,
Dave Jones: but the reason being is that you you're just gonna
get me the potential, there's just you get blown up, okay. I
mean, with 10,000 requests a day, I mean, like, it's just
you, somebody's gonna write a bot on it, and you're just gonna
get screwed.
Adam Curry: Gotcha, gotcha. Okay. Well, we could, I'm just
saying that. I'm sure that there's a group of five people I
can think of right now who would be happy to do this work. Maybe
we can have trusted people who use their apps to do this. I'm
just thinking ahead. But I understand what you're saying.
And yeah, what do we do? What do we need to get this done?
Dave Jones: Yes, I think I think bottom line is we, we have a
strategy now for the good stuff with what Brian has, has made. I
think it fits with what I had originally developed, I think
those fit together pretty nicely. So then, now really,
it's all about just making sure the data is clean. I think
that's, that's our biggest thing right now. Because the goods
will now goods will work now, as long as we have clean data,
where we don't have these dupes. So I think that's really, I
think that's kind of an important next step I need to
take because you need these. Hell, I need these things. I
need a dashboard to fix this stuff. I'm manually changing
things in the database. This is not fun.
Adam Curry: I saw when I was watching your screencast, your
your dude named Ben cast. I saw those little PHP scripts you had
on the left hand side of my Oh, look at all that cool stuff. You
can run a PHP script does that it does that you had all these
cool little things that that you could do you have some tools,
but I'm like, just give me some give me tools. Let me play with
the tools. Man.
Dave Jones: I don't want to have to SSH into a server in order to
run a script called no clean these duplicates dot php.
Adam Curry: Exactly. Okay. I think that's I think that's a
great idea.
Dave Jones: way forward. Yeah. And I don't think this is hard
to write because it doesn't have to be beautiful. It just has to
be functional.
Adam Curry: I know I'm, I'm all in you tell me. I mean, I would
I've of course I'm I know you well enough. I know what you're
doing. You're busy. I'm not going to keep saying hey, man,
give me some tools. Give me some tools. It bothers me
Dave Jones: too. Because people want to help people are asking
to help you and I and I go, like I don't have anything to give
them. And so I want I need to be able to give them something.
Adam Curry: Well, why don't you just wipe your slate clean
Dave Jones: and clean? It dun dun we
Adam Curry: love it. We love it. I wanted to just make note for
everybody that we did have a situation, which luckily, of
course, was not a big problem. But Alby went down for a little
bit there the other day. And, you know, you see the result of
a centralized system. There are other fallbacks possible. There
are other, you know, other lightning service providers out
there. Just want to remind everybody, you got to be
careful. I guess that's all I wanted to say. I love Alby. I
love what get alby.com I love what they're doing. But, you
know, this, what are you laughing at?
Dave Jones: Sorry, it's just Steven some Steven bass in the
chat.
Adam Curry: I see what you're saying. Boy, man, do you talk to
your wife that way? Steven B.
Dave Jones: Do you kiss your mama with that mouth?
Adam Curry: Let's just make sure we're all smart about these
things. You know, especially for podcasters. You know, there's
still things you may want to consider to have alternate by
the way. I'm also running my Of course I am because I have
helipad. I'm running my lightning node. On the Start OS.
It's stable, man. It's stable. I mean, you know, I have to nurse
my Umbral all the time. And this thing is just I've set it up and
it's just run since the day I set it up and has not been a
problem.
Dave Jones: Is it using l&d? Yeah, you can
Adam Curry: use multiple ones? I'm using lnd lnd. It has. It
has multiple lightning implementations you can use.
Dave Jones: Have you ever used see lightning? No. No, I'm kind
of itching to try it. No, no. Do you?
Adam Curry: First you need to build.
Dave Jones: Thank you. Thank you. Yes, this is what this is
one of your this is one of your functions here is Stop,
Adam Curry: stop, stop. Stop. So. And with that, I also want
to thank Todd Cochran for a fun idea that blueberry is doing to
podcasting 2.0 badge. Oh, I like that. Yeah, that has warded when
a podcaster uses five 2.0 features, which is kind of what
I thought the podcast Standards Project will be doing. You know,
I liked it. The Todd has taken the lead on this. This is good.
This is good thing to do. It's a cool logo. That guy's a cool
badge.
Dave Jones: I'm a sucker for badges.
Adam Curry: I love badges. Badges are very cool. Yeah,
absolutely. Absolutely want
Dave Jones: to. We want to do some hot names based on
Adam Curry: just one other thing before we do the hot namespace
talk. I learned a lot about the fountain transcripts. So indeed,
once one person has created a transcript, no one else has to
pay for it. It's just available. And I saw requests come through
that said hey, once a transcripts created, it'd be
great if the podcast could down. I think chemistry bloggers had
this. The podcast, you can download an SRT file, put it
into their feed and then use it for other apps. I was like, wow.
And I asked I was like, Yeah, that's a great idea. Let's do
that. stat. Cool. That's some collaboration right there. That
was very beautiful, beautiful to see that happening. And then of
course, I realized, found transcripts are very, very fast.
What they aren't doing is they aren't doing speakers, you know
who the who the speaker is. So I don't know if that adds a lot of
that adds a lot of processing time to creating the transcript.
But that would be a prerequisite. I mean, I would
look I pay $20 a month to otter. If I can get my transcripts from
fountain I'll pay fountain 20 bucks. But I do I do need
speaker names. Tom just saying you know, there's a lot of
opportunity here.
Dave Jones: Opportunity you need. You need speaker names
because that like for we
Adam Curry: need it for Mark. We just need it for Mark. Let's be
honest, the cartoon bubbles are cool was crap.
Dave Jones: I love that because that thing's beautiful. When you
see it, you don't ever want to not have no you actually
Adam Curry: you're looking at your app while you're listening.
Like oh, there's Dave. There's Adam. There's Dave. There's
Adam.
Dave Jones: Adam. Oh, we got we got Martin on the show next
week, by the way. So we're
Adam Curry: Oh, cool. Cool. Cool. Cool. And Android 2.0.
Yeah. And he's he's going through his app cycle now. Which
is always fun. Yeah. I have high hopes for him. High Hopes
Dave Jones: Yes. As secure Yeah. I think you're right. That's
that's kind of a
Adam Curry: and we have a new rules. We have a new rule for
guests. New rules. guests get to choose the song we play. Oh,
yeah, like that. roars the new rule new rule. So Martin, choose
a song of course it has to be 2.0. Enable. Choose wisely.
Choose wisely by friend. Exactly.
Unknown: And now it's time for some hot namespace talk.
Adam Curry: We are Yeah,
Dave Jones: yeah, we closed face six. So that one's No more No
more tag proposals. Submitting is allowed. We've got let's see
here. It looks like we've got six tags is that right? 1234567
tags remote item. So this basically this is frozen now
where we made ditch some tags but we're not going to add the
Adam Curry: space six ice you can't change no melting it's
iced.
Dave Jones: Yep. It's on ISIS. So remote. We got remote item,
which is straight straightforward. It's already
written out. We got list the list mediums that's easy. That's
just an add just an addendum. The the accepts guest I've got a
question mark on that. Pod roll. That's already written up.
That's that's good to go. update frequency. Nathan gathright did
a PR for that, that I've got to merge. But that one's I've just
got to review it. I'm sure I mean, he's he's top notch. So
I'm sure that one's fine. Nice. Pod pink tag is something that
that Alex and Brian and anybody who uses pod ping needs it
because it's got it's got metadata in there for how the
feed interacts with POD ping. And then the value time split.
Adam Curry: Nice. That's a good phase,
Dave Jones: as a good batch. And so I think accepts guests is the
only one I've gotten concerns about, I think we may think we
may need to need a booth there. Because I still don't know that
that has to be its own tag. To me that it. It's just a it's
like a gimme.
Adam Curry: It's like a gimme that people want I mean, no,
it's like it's for people who don't have I mean, I get email.
It's just, Oh, you want less email? Okay, well, why don't you
just, you know, what we need is we need the list of all these
people, all these PR people who email podcasters and then put
them in your spam list. Yeah, write a rule. I mean, I don't
mind that, you know, people ask me all the time, oh, I got this
great person for this guest. Now, of course, I don't take
guests on, on on no agenda or any of my other shows. But it
doesn't bother me that much.
Dave Jones: And I guess my difficulty with this specific
tag is that it's a lot of tag for only one small purpose. And
I understand that you have that there's other tags that fit into
the same category. So let's just say how about
Adam Curry: this? I have an idea. Alright. Can we just have
some kind of API endpoint that looks and it sees if there's a
guest in the person tag, that that spits out a list of here's
everything and then people can use that list and spam them.
It's,
Dave Jones: it's a spam list.
Adam Curry: That's what it's gonna get used for. I mean, you
know, it's like,
Dave Jones: no, no, that's a pretty good idea, by the way.
Adam Curry: Yeah, just a thought. Make that make that
available to PR people.
Dave Jones: use AI he's Chad. Yeah. Yeah,
Adam Curry: there it is Chad gptc Every everything we don't
want to do we just you can use chat GPG for that.
Dave Jones: Can Can I I mean can I just say that at this if if if
large language models are this good? Why do we still have
transcripts that are inaccurate?
Adam Curry: Why do I still have spam? Exactly why do fools fall
in love honest about GPC you should be able to fix that they
should know this. Sorry, this lady is not compatible with you.
Dave Jones: There. I mean, the one thing that is that is in the
large language model wheelhouse is Grammatik and link
grammatical and linguistic structure is I know what words
make sense coming before and after this word, or before and
after this phrase. I should never have a bad transcript ever
again.
Adam Curry: No, of course. Of course not. And obviously we do.
Dave Jones: So something's gotta give anyway. I agree with you. I
agree. Somebody's lying.
Adam Curry: Something's up.
Dave Jones: I don't know. I think we should I think we
should just boot accepts guests for now. Okay, I don't think
anybody's feelings are gonna be hurt by this. I mean, like James
proposed it, but I don't I don't get the sense that he's like,
it's a he'll he's gonna die.
Adam Curry: Pod roll is in there. No. It is. Yeah. Isn't
the pod roll is good.
Dave Jones: James, if you're highly offended by booting
accepts, yes, please tell me. I mean, here's ultimately what I
feel like these, these are flags. And I keep coming back to
the idea that we just need sort of, like, let's just call it
podcast, colon flags. And it's a list of or just or, or just
called podcast, colon flag. And it's except guests. You know,
trial, trial feed, blah, blah, blah, like, just a bunch of like
one, prop just a bunch of properties, or even just put it
in the TXT record. Let's just put it in the TAs.
Adam Curry: All right, I'm gonna I'm going to ease the pain.
Reading. Alright, is it? What phase was alternate enclosure
in? That's like three or four? Three? Yeah, I have a request
for Steven B, who is the the Wizard of sovereign feeds.com.
My request for Steven B is I would like to have an altered
enclosure, spit out in my feed that I can put an IPFS link in.
Because once I create the IPFS link, maybe I can convince an
app or to to which obviously will be curio caster. To accept
that because I'm running a node, I'd like to get that crankin I'd
like to use it. I'd like to see if IPFS actually scales with
podcasts. And that would be my request.
Dave Jones: You are publishing a feed on IPFS right now? Yes, I
am. Which ones the no agenda are
Adam Curry: all of my feeds all of my feeds. Okay. And I and I
will use it for all of them. And there's people you I can see in
the well hold on a second.
Dave Jones: If I look at Cameron's code, right,
Adam Curry: yes. IPFS let me just check for a second IPFS
podcasting dotnet let me just log is such a such a elegant
system he's created here. I'm also you know, I'm pinning them
all so I'm hosting them all forever, all all previous
episodes, etc. Anything that's in the feed all a second just
needs to log in. And I have two nodes running. Just take
Dave Jones: notes. Yeah, yeah. One's running on the Start nine
and Where's the other one running?
Adam Curry: On the Umbro? Yeah. Okay, so let me see for
podcasting. 2.0 Let me see, because I can tell
there's a little lag obviously, Episode 134 had two downloads
133 had five 132 had 38 Toilet scroller 131 had 29 so it's in
the 20s and 30s after a while. Let's see no agenda has that we
have an ad downloads here 2937 62 So it varies. And you
can and there's at least seven nodes hosting it. So you know,
it's like there's something there it's it's in its infancy,
but I kind of believe in it. I believe in this stuff.
Dave Jones: Okay, yeah, well, I
Adam Curry: mean like, so that was my my requests even my
request to see even be like he doesn't have enough an
Dave Jones: alternate enclosure. You wanna you? Want to nappy?
IPSs alternate enclosure tag?
Adam Curry: Yeah. I mean, yes, yes, that's what I want and IPFS
alternate enclosure tag, and that will make James happy.
Because he wants people using alternate enclosure. He wants to
he wants to push the alternate enclosure. Now he uses it in a
different way he's thinking of lower bandwidth, which is fine
lower bandwidth versions. But you know, I think
Dave Jones: that when you can have IPFS and has more bandwidth
Yeah, exactly.
Adam Curry: Let's use it for more bandwidth. Screw you Africa
Shall we thanks for people hear Dave. Oh, yeah, sure. Yeah,
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addition to the nightstand right now which is a book about I wish
I could remember. Oh, it's called a question of sedition.
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Adam Curry: Who by the way, by the way, J Edgar Hoover was
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Adam Curry: most people don't know that? Very light skinned
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Adam Curry: It's 100,000 is great, but a Satoshi slam is you
know, I'm sorry. There's two more that came in if you don't
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Adam Curry: let me check them and make sure I do this right.
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Dave Jones: I gotta get that right he ponied up for the
expensive domain
Adam Curry: and when you go to he did it's just really
expensive. z.fm don't domain names are no joke. 101010 Thank
you very much baller boost
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Adam Curry: and he says I hear your pain on duplicate guid
trying to fix the RSS V for V issues asking do I need custom
key custom value and address and he plans to add lightning
address to the value tag.
Dave Jones: Lightning address lightning address. I think we
already I thought we already added that to the spec. I think
so. But we but you have to resolve it on the client, right?
You can't you can't just send it over to the node. So you have
you know you need to D if you so the lightning address. And um,
this is maybe poorly documented and I need to write this down to
make sure that everybody knows how this works because though
there's a there's a dot well known URL that you can use to
resolve the lightning address into a key send with custom key
and custom value. Let me make a note of that too.
Adam Curry: In sovereign feeds, you go in and it literally says
up add a split it says use fountain use get Alby and you
click on it so yeah, so I would type in SAM at get albie.com and
book it just resolves it right into the block.
Dave Jones: Yeah, you have just cool. The lightning address in
the context of a value block. You resolve that with its like
dot well known slash row name slash key sand I think and it
will give you package json block with the custom key custom
value. I'll post it on the mastodon Sam,
Adam Curry: one more bow bolo booths before we get to the
other ones that you have on your list from Dred Scott Of course
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Adam Curry: love the hot sexy namespace talk chapters will be
delayed for this episode busy weekend starts tonight I'm in
charge of setting up audio and video for an outdoor movie night
at the six year olds elementary school this evening Wish me luck
that it goes well we don't have angry parents or disappointed
kids last thing you need
Dave Jones: you need to throw you need to throw up a as split
kit QR code for your services
Adam Curry: yeah what we need we need to do is we need to give we
need to give him a little bit of setting up karma and that out to
him you've got karma we need it dude karma for that all right.
Dave continue with what you got.
Dave Jones: Well what I've got is a is a fountain Pay Pal for
$200 from Oscar and the boys whoa
Unknown: the boys 20 is blades on the Impala
Adam Curry: much appreciated keeps everything running
including our new big database
Dave Jones: Yeah, that's right. We got fed databases was say we
got doesn't really pay pal so we got some booster grams we got
111112 from drips got Whoa, that's interesting. The money
printer.
Adam Curry: Good burger. That's a
Unknown: big baller shot caller. Blades on him.
Adam Curry: Thank you. It's still number one on the
wavelength top 40.
Dave Jones: That's from last week and we got another one from
Dred Scott 123456. Last week at five o'clock same boosting is so
hard to fill up a quarry killer.
Unknown: Did it man call out 20 his blades only him follow.
Adam Curry: You gotta get some back end on those deals. Drip.
Dave Jones: Yeah, turn around, take it. Take a note out of the
Danish playbook and turn that thing or
Adam Curry: turn that thing around. Put it in your own
pocket.
Dave Jones: SC OTT gave us a little give us a rocker emoji.
1420 Thank you. Thank you very much. In the morning gave us
3000 SAS. That's great show. Thank you. 666 66 from mere
motors podcast or buddy car and he says dang that Bitcoin 2424
conference sounds really appealing. I plan to be
traveling at that time as well. Maybe?
Adam Curry: Oh, I would love to have you there. I mean, we have
a we have a call next week Dave with with those dudes. Wednesday
or something? Yeah, something like that. Yeah, that we will
report back. We're gonna make it badass. A buddy of
Dave Jones: mines coming to he's going to drive up there from
Birmingham. And I mean, we I mean, we'll, if anybody wants to
make it out, and we'll do a meet up.
Adam Curry: Yes, great idea. And if you let us know if you're
going in general and if you're interested in being a part of
the presentation, because I just don't know who's there. i We're
all figured we're figuring this all out. But if you already have
plans on going let us know.
Dave Jones: Yeah. And we'll do we know. Do we know if Roy's
flan over any?
Adam Curry: I knew I still need to call Roy I need to call Roy
Roy
Dave Jones: when he figured out the lb guys are gonna Yeah, just
everybody let us know if they're gonna
Adam Curry: go on and so we can start putting the program
together. Because it would be cool if we can have a number of
people on stage to talk about, you know, from different
disciplines of the 2.0 value for value universe. Let's show
people what we're doing because we are actually doing stuff that
no that everyone said they would do. Like micro payments. Like
music. We're doing it people were doing it. We are We are the
champions. My friends just
Dave Jones: 2000 SATs from Nicholas B 58. It just says
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Adam Curry: Boosting back from the future boost
Dave Jones: and a third from Nicolas be 50 80,000 SAS he says
boosting is like zappin love it whooshed bad career advice. Chad
sends us a huge row of ducks 22 to 22. And he says what?
Adam Curry: Sorry. The ducks came by.
Dave Jones: I frozen it unfrozen now, what Dave shared about
siloed content, comments ratings across across the closed
captioning ecosystem that blew my mind. Nice. I'm a mind blower
we aim to aim to blow don't say that. Can you imagine how many
meetings and how much money those companies spent to break
down silos in the organization while having a prime directive
to create silos? It is the nature of the beast. That's
right. If you come across this beast in the wild and it has
missed a few meals eg quarterly earnings reports it will eat
you. Like Adam said the only way is to say FM and build
decentralized.
Adam Curry: There you go. Boom. Sure. like
Dave Jones: Todd from Northern Virginia, a huge satchel
Richards 11111 So the podcast index website says all hell is
gonna break loose and you're gonna need a
Adam Curry: Bitcoin oh man I see if I had had the Hold on a
second yeah you were slowing the drill I didn't know I didn't
know I didn't know I have it here. Here we go all hell is
gonna break loose and you're gonna need a Bitcoin
Dave Jones: Archie sent us a humongous actually Richard
1111113 The boost CLI since for the scissors
Adam Curry: and that's a baller boost is it not?
Dave Jones: Oh yeah, it is
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Dave Jones: Archie is Su CD and the chat in the podcast index
social source D I love sushi send us a stripper boosts 7777
through family says love the conference ideas. Yeah, that's
gonna be
Adam Curry: it's gonna be it's gonna be off the chain man.
Dave Jones: Yeah, marry Oscar, also known as Oscar marry since
20,000 says the family says would love to come on and talk
about transcripts implementation and how we can share user pay
for transcripts back to the feed. Get we're gonna have you
honestly on
Adam Curry: man. Just huge issues. You have my head time.
My shoes Sorry, I'm just looking for that. So Jeff my time value
splits set up we're good to go. There's no pressure.
Dave Jones: Never pressure. Jo W. Satchel Richard 1111 No note.
Anonymous 20 to 22 no note. We got Clark in a friend of mine
25 529 It says adding another five to nine to my usual 25k For
my Memorial Day boost while at the lake Beep bop boo boo bop
boost sir Spencer 22 to 22 Row ducks through fountain he says
would love to help with the V for V panel in Nashville. Oh sir
Spencer. Definitely putting together a V for free
presentation for our own Bitcoin block party here in KC next
month. I can speak to the podcasting aspect. Live item tag
and the music aspect. Plus, I can drive out so you don't need
to burn a plane ticket. Wow, that sounds
Adam Curry: I don't even have to go at all. Just let's hear
Spencer do it. Right. Yeah. You get that handled Spencer.
Thanks, bro. Yeah, we're gonna get as many people I'm gonna
have a big stage, we need the main stage. The big stage, we
need a lot of time, a lot of mics.
Dave Jones: Spencer, I'm disappointed that wavelike
operates as a walled garden to see the spirit of decentralized
music is anyone can publish a feed and have their content
available on the various apps in the ecosystem. When able Kirby
and I really stay while on Christmas Eve 2020. It was with
splits and lyrics supported with Wave lake. There are no splits,
no support for lyrics. And if we wanted our music available there
would we there we would have to re upload it to their servers
and make a duplicate feed. Open hosting is the way
Adam Curry: that's a good point. I have a my own minor nitpick
with with wavelike. You can't boost more than 999 sets to
match. Yeah. If you want to boost from their interface I put
near some saxenda in the wall from their UI. Yeah, it's 999 I
was like there's nothing.
Dave Jones: I wonder one. Well, I think I mean, I think they're
just I think this address addresses sir Spencer's thing.
You know, I've talked to Michael and Samak. I think they're just
moving slowly. And they're trying to, I mean, it's just the
two of those guys. And they're trying to build something.
Right. I don't. I don't think there's anything
Adam Curry: nefarious, it's hard. It's hard. It's hard to
building a service like this. It's hard to setting stuff up. I
completely agree.
Dave Jones: No, I understand Spencer. I mean, I understand
what you're saying. I fully do. I think that they're trying to
make they're just trying to make sense of this thing. Because we
hit them. This was not their intention. We hit them right
Adam Curry: away right in the in the forehead like oh, yeah,
well, what's happening and now we're dominating their chart.
Dave Jones: Yes. I think this all works itself out as as their
you know, stuff matures. Yeah.
Adam Curry: But yeah, but you know, I love that we have music
side project.com which helps you self hosted which I think for
music is completely appropriate. Yeah, for sure. And you know,
that's another thing that I would love to see on on Start OS
Dave Jones: Yep, yeah, keep the the pressure. Yeah, keep the
pressure up. I mean, that's that's with your I know. Yeah.
Let's see. Well, you're anonymous 2222 through anonymous
for anonymous, the cast thematic Thank you 4096 from Jean been
nice. The YouTube things. The YouTube thing reeks of embrace,
extend, extinguish.
Adam Curry: Ooh, yes. Scary. But yes, you're right.
Dave Jones: The three Jean been 7777 striper I used to cast
medics as bring Mercy Me to value for value and I'll have an
entirely new group of people who I can talk to about V for V
Adam Curry: well I am indoctrinating those guys and
did I tell you that that I talked to him about this on a
group text? And I said hey look at what we're doing and they
they listen to this piece of the show I said so as you work with
labels and ASCAP BMI and now bro so you know, the band i i would
say you never know you never know it's a road I'm walking
down
Dave Jones: see George for Jesus do
Adam Curry: it for Jesus boys.
Dave Jones: all in for Jesus yo Jean been 2222 through cast
Matic. He says the posting back of tags via the notes doesn't
feel right. I think I think I'm with Adam here. That's fine.
Yeah, just throwing just I mean, throwing stuff out there where
you know, nothing's set in stone. No, just exploring
running with scissors. Yep. 2020 Jean benei says I think asking
people on the free hosting providers to manually submit
their show to the index is perfectly perfectly reasonable.
When you use free services a few extra hoops to jump through are
not uncommon. True, I agree. airhead with a rush boost when
he went 12 to podcast into his website he says peer to 5.2
release candidate that would be RC one supports value blog
directly in peer tubes RSS stream at both channel and
episode level. Props to Alex gates for all his work and
getting the change made to peer tube.
Adam Curry: I agree big boost boost I love that man. Good work
Alex.
Dave Jones: Yeah, we're gonna have we're gonna have Alex on
the show to tell us you know all about that and do tell us what
else yeah,
Adam Curry: then we're gonna bring the youtubers
Dave Jones: Yeah, we're well I wanted to have him on he said
hey, well you know why don't we just wait till Why don't we wait
till the new release is out this got all this stuff in so I think
we're good to go to have him on now. So okay, let's schedule
some schedule it up maybe meet us 33 333 through family says
Leila and I would like to throw our hats in the ring speak about
V for V in Nashville. Yeah, here we
Adam Curry: go. Number one. Yeah, excellent hat received. It
has caught it.
Dave Jones: Got the hat? Fun Fact Friday has benefited
greatly from FIFA V and we love a road trip.
Adam Curry: It would be great to have to have the two of them
speak for a moment about about their experience. So it's just
not all you know nerds sorry nerds you know
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Adam Curry: nerds but you know she can do she can pass for a
non nerd true
Dave Jones: true. Marx 3111 through fountain he said money
printer go burr can get enough
Adam Curry: still number one minute you can't help it like
that song.
Dave Jones: Anonymous who? Oh big anonymous boost 321,700 sets
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Dave Jones: any note says boosting so boosting it's so
hard to fill a lot by quarry killer
Adam Curry: Oh yes. Okay, so that did it because Cory was you
know just barely scratching the top 10 And then an anonymous
booster came in and ripped him right into the top five
Dave Jones: no that happened in the feed after the FAFSA
Adam Curry: bash after the facts Google thank you
Dave Jones: wow yeah, that was an anonymous boost
Adam Curry: the love it. Usually it was it curio caster curio
caster. Yeah. Nice.
Dave Jones: Thank you anonymous arrow statica 50,000 SATs nice
through fountain says for the hell of it. Okay. for the hell
of it. We'll give you this. Just for the Helaman Borlaug. 20,000
SATs the pod versus strong word gentlemen. Thank you. Thank you.
Let's see. Did you read the tone record pre boosting before the
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Adam Curry: it when people use that thing it's always
unexpected but always always nice very very nice. Yeah to
value for value value for value works everybody and remember to
listen to this episode or at least the portions with the
songs to support the artists I do have an end of show song
which we'll play after after the ending ending bits here which is
from some local boys they're called boys home they are from
Kerrville Texas and they have Blink 182 Is their kind of their
inspiration it's two minutes and nine seconds so yeah you know I
kind of saw and that's gonna be the jam five minutes into it but
they just uploaded their not only their D their debut EP but
also their full album to wave Lake and and I want to support
them and I hope you will as well by doing that in curio caster or
in pod friend
Dave Jones: Ella Spencer's talking a lot about about music
podcasting in the in the chat and I just love the one thing I
love about what Spencer's has done since day one is just a
demonstrate he's just been a demonstration of how you can
just do this on your own you don't have to have if you have
some knowledge and you have the Will you can just run all of
your own stuff you don't have to have a host if you don't want to
me most people are gonna have to go the hosting route but at its
most base level RSS podcasting doesn't need you can do it
yourself. Yes and to text file and audio and if
Adam Curry: and if you look at how much effort and enthusiasm
and work artists and bands and musicians put into getting stuff
done you know with your own merch and with your sales and
you know you got your table set up at your gig I mean they know
they're they are entrepreneurs by definition and we want to we
want to support that and want to make sure that that works for
everybody and that any you don't just do you don't need the big
stupid infrastructure
Dave Jones: and you've got the you know these these bands on
the road have they have all kinds of Reno they got roadies
doing all their Oh yeah, we're
Adam Curry: pulling cables ourselves baby stuff.
Dave Jones: I'm just thinking that like you could have one of
the one of the guys jobs on the tour is monitoring the V for V
Adam Curry: Yes. And don't forget you can also use the
Split kit split the split kake.com use that for your get
some QR codes up on up on the screen or print out a board
print out a sign man we are changing the world Dave I'm so
proud of us and when I say us I mean not you me everybody
everybody that's doing this we should record this for
prosperity oh wait we are
Dave Jones: loved like I'm really addicted to do appear to
now and like I mean like I'm kind of a you know nuts about it
and yeah, it was so much fun doing that live server upgrade
in like what was fun about it is like ever had everybody in there
like you and Alex and airhead and like just like talking and
Archie was in there I don't I just made it made the whole
thing fun and it gave me a sort of a glimpse of the future of
when all this stuff is baked fully baked how you really
really don't need YouTube
Adam Curry: not at all and I was sending you the default 69 SATs
per minute which we didn't You didn't get that
Dave Jones: I didn't even know I could get the for V through
through the thing and then I think it was Alex or somebody
was like was like hey, I'm trying to boost you like boost
me.
Adam Curry: Yeah You can do it right from the peer to page
although I want to have it in the app you know obviously for
obvious reasons but the peer to page work to were perfectly I
connected it to my lb wallet I would like to be able to connect
it to other wallets just saying let's remember to keep the open
nature of lightning available people because we don't want to
run into too much trouble I want to be able to switch let's put
it that way. If something goes wrong I want to be able to say
oh no problem let me connect my connect my own lightning wallet
here.
Dave Jones: Well I mean as far as I understand it with the
lightning plugin that's that's possible on the table now will
will will get all the dates but
Adam Curry: the deeds okay you're crushing it yo with your
with your millennial smokers. So it says all this stuff remember
stay tuned for the end of show song my brother Dave Have a
great weekend. And so should you chat room See you next time
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