Adam Curry: podcasting 2.0 for June 16 2023, episode 137 one
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to my friend on the other end ladies and gentlemen, Mr. Jones.
Dave Jones: That is true. That is one thing that I will hold
heartedly agree with and never find me at a very convincing
Adam Curry: Star Trek convention. Yeah, but not a
furry convention. No.
Dave Jones: By the way pig butchering that is a real thing
and it is what it is widespread is out of control. Oh yeah.
Adam Curry: Did you hear that on? I think it was two shows ago
on no agenda, which we started texting back. And they're like,
oh, call me quick. And then they call them they would hang up. I
was ready to add to the board and everything I was once super
excited.
Dave Jones: Yeah, I mean like there's so many people at the
office are just getting these things randomly. I had to send
an email out like okay, here's this is you had to get it Yeah,
like
Adam Curry: Hello Are you horny dogs? Let me tell you what's
going on do not reply. What What was her name? It doesn't get the
same name now or get different names.
Dave Jones: What was the one from yesterday? My coworker got
one.
Adam Curry: I literally just got one just now. You did not deal
right we're talking Yep. Right now just came in Laura. Let's go
golfing together sometime tomorrow.
Dave Jones: Always golf. Always. golf instructor want to go play
golf. Bla bla Yes.
Adam Curry: Well, we that's the one that a lot of people get
Chloe. Oh, Chloe. Yeah. Yeah,
Dave Jones: so is it Chloe Chloe's a baiting? They baiting?
Named? Yes.
Adam Curry: Jenny, Chloe, Laura. gets the
Dave Jones: girl next door librarian level. Male beta. That
is the hot librarian.
Adam Curry: Let me just take off my glasses and shake my hair
down for a second.
Dave Jones: Yes, exactly.
Adam Curry: So you really had to Hello. Someone sending from from
pod fans. No podcast index. Okay. No pie. I thought it was.
I guess if you don't send a logo, then you get the stock
logo. No, I think or this came from the index. And Martin's you
were late. By the way. We're streaming. We're streaming we're
lit that means you can send us SATs. See pod friends we see pod
verse we see fountain we see the index looking good everybody
Dave Jones: that's not double lit. And lit lit.
Adam Curry: Now you're doing a streaming video again. This will
be our test. No
Dave Jones: no, this is this is on purpose. This is Alex we're
testing Alex's new fancy new Yeah, let's squared exactly
faster new what? fancy new low latency peer tube so like this
is only so the video is supposed to be the one we tested it the
other night. Yeah, he enabled low latency on it which reduces
the size of the HLS like chunk buffer so that you have a phat
you know you you're not the you can get get the next chunk out
faster. And so then it only reduces the latency from like 30
to 45 seconds down to like nine seconds.
Adam Curry: No way.
Dave Jones: Very fast. Yes, that's
Adam Curry: especially for videos pretty good.
Dave Jones: Yeah, we tested it i was i You know, I would like you
know, do something on the on the video and then watch it just I
mean, it would be it was like consistently nine seconds. Which
I consider that to be amazing to do with like a low power Linode.
VM. Yes.
Adam Curry: Is that where you're running? The What are you
running on the on the on the Linode VM.
Dave Jones: Now this is through in a tube. This is the no agenda
to Okay, I understand. I understand. Yes. Here's where it
says Do I hear music? I
Adam Curry: hear music I hear something.
Dave Jones: Oh, you did? Oh, that's my way. Hang on a sec.
See?
Adam Curry: See this. It always screws everything.
Dave Jones: That's my daughter playing the kid stopped the
show. I gotta I gotta tell you I could knock it off.
Adam Curry: Now. It's okay. Don't worry about it. If she's
playing, that's fine. As long as if it's her then at least I know
what it is. I just keep hearing it like in the background like
What am I hearing? Did you actually ran to tell her to
knock it off? I can't believe that. Daddy's doing a podcast.
Oh, goodness. Well, I don't know what we're going to do. Oh,
we're waiting for Dave to come back. This is kind of weird. GT
IDs. Do
Dave Jones: you hear how did you hear that? And I didn't. I think
I was talking and I had my headphones out. I think I could
hear myself so loud that I didn't even hear the piano
Adam Curry: piano. I was doing the show with Tina the other
night and I'm hearing a buzz when she's talking. I'm hearing
it. And she doesn't hear it. People who listen to the show
can't hear it, but I hear it. What I knew what I need to learn
is to not not obsess over it. That's my problem. Not really.
I'm obsessing
Dave Jones: Ah, you said you said I hear music and then I was
a pause for a second and I'm like, yeah, here to it. It was
right next to me in the room next.
Adam Curry: Now, did you beat her senseless or what did you do
Dave Jones: now? To beat her said just one backhand was all
Adam Curry: heard about you guys and Alabama that and oh, no, you
don't want to hurt him. Wow, sorry if that triggered anybody
didn't meet you be careful. All right, let's talk about
triggering. Let's get another way right away right now.
Everybody hair on fire run around value for value is gonna
die. Apple app. Oh yeah. Oh my goodness. What
Dave Jones: do you want? Do you want to give me your your
immediate thoughts? Or do you? What do you how do you want to?
Well, let's structure this conversation. Yeah,
Adam Curry: why don't we explain what happened first? There was a
tweet how you know, when it when a tweet goes out, especially
once a screenshot, then you know something's up. It's gonna It's
everyone's gonna get all spun up over it. And then this was in
the initial tweet from Domus I think it's pronounced Domus
Dave Jones: as in Nostradamus, Nostradamus? Yeah, there
Adam Curry: you go, which is a app for the noster noster
protocol, I guess I could say, because not really a network
nostril protocol. More most notably, the one that I think
Jack Dorsey sponsors, if I'm
Dave Jones: correct, sponsors, as in getting a whole bunch,
give him give him money.
Adam Curry: Yeah, Bitcoin to do it. I think it's one Dev. And so
first, he got a note from that he got kicked back saying that
he had violated 3.1 dot one of the guidelines. And it didn't it
was you know, without much other context. And then the follow up
was not a screenshot, but was his interpretation. And they
said, Well, the issue is with zaps, and I can't have zaps on
individual posts, it can only be on profiles. Right now, what is
interesting is this was immediately equated to a hotel
value for values and trouble. I'm not I'm not too I mean, for
Dominus, you know, okay, so there's one, there's one app
that may not be able to do zaps, or will have to be crippled. But
the thing first of all, this is Apple's guidelines. You know,
this is not like an unknown entity, anyone who has an app in
the App Store, I presume you've seen it, I presume? You know
what, what it says? And I presume that Domus knows what
they did that. Interestingly, the way it was worded, I don't
know if that was the official wording from Apple was kind of
pre crime, which I thought was pretty cool. Because they're
saying you
Dave Jones: possibly could sell digital content using this
method? Yes.
Adam Curry: And it's the endless discussion of what is in app
currency. What is digital content? I don't know if we, if
you and I need to rehash that. I think what we need to remind
everybody is a couple things. One, Apple is a shit coin. Come
on, you know, you use Apple, you're in you build your own
jail around you. This is not like a surprise. This is not the
first app that that's been, you know, this that's had an issue.
I mean, there's the 100 million dollar lawsuits with Epic Games,
you know, Amazon Kindle. I mean, this is, this is not like an
unknown. And, you know, surprise, surprise, if it's not
today, and it'll be tomorrow, or in five years, or at some point
Apple will have a problem with with lightning apps. I'm sure
it's coming. You know, I don't think any of us should be
surprised. I appreciated what the lb did. brought attention to
every single one of our apps. Yeah, yeah. Thanks. Appreciate
that with a blog post. But But I really do appreciate now, they
don't really have skin in the game because they don't have an
app in the App Store. But a lot of apps connect to them, and use
them and use them and they made a very, a very compelling case
for value for value. Now, this is not exactly what how I view
these apps I don't value I don't equate those to value for value,
first of all, because they're called a tip. You are equated
with a tip not it's a zap but it's a tip and you've asked him
what's his app, it's a tip. But and so I don't That to me is not
value for value. I think that when you have a slider that
allows you to say you can only send me zaps and not likes, I
think that's probably where where the trouble came from.
But, you know, this is what What troubled me is the headlines in
our own community. How would people run out oh, this is all
because this the end of value for value? Well, let's just
review value for value for a second. Now, if a value is is,
it's not going to go away because of an inconvenience.
Having the, the streaming sites and a boost button and a boost
to Graham functionality in an app is, is it works well,
because it's convenient. But it's not like it's not a payment
system. Value for value works in many ways. time, talent,
treasure, the techno agenda, although booths do come in for
16 years, we've had to tell people go to this website, and
then click on a button and then go to paypal, and then use that
to send his value back. So it's not like value for value dies on
the vine, and then it doesn't work anymore. And also, I think,
pod Vers, pod friend, fountain, they all have web versions. So
I'm not too worried about this, you know, there's some, there's
some thinking that, well, if you're not in the App Store,
then you might as well just be dead. I just, I don't believe
that if you are true value for value, not if you just think,
Oh, I'm just gonna get people streaming automatically, and
I'll get a tip or two, you're probably not that interested in
value for value anyway, if something happened, where you
couldn't use a 2.0 V for V app on on Apple, I think, you know,
the way it works is like, Hey, could you please help us out?
Because you either use the web version to boost us can you get
a new phone get out of Apple jail, people would still support
us, it wouldn't go away overnight. In fact, it'll
probably even ignite people to support us more.
Dave Jones: I would say I would say that we we have that's one
of it's sort of baked into the mission of all of this is to
find ways around all of this kinds of the kind of junk. I
thought about this. Yeah. Yeah. And I will. Peter, there's a
bigger discussion. But I mean, I think I think we can find if if,
if Apple were to, you know, extend its arm over podcasting
2.0 apps and kill value for value out of the App Store apps
out of their platform? i Yeah, it would be annoying, and it
would be a setback. But I don't ultimately think that that I
think we are smart enough to figure out ways around that to
make it still function just fine.
Adam Curry: Definitely. Well, first of all, there's the entire
if you look at smartphones in general, there are more Android
phones in the world than than iPhones. Is this incessant? You
know, of course, the richest people in the world are the ones
who have iPhones. Yeah, that's true. You are the you are the 1%
of the of the rich class in America. A couple of things
about and I really liked it, the lb guys linked to value for
value dot info, that's a good site to come learn what the true
philosophy is behind value for value. It's not tips, it's not
little bits of money. And looking at you James Quinlan,
what's a booster gram, it was people send you different bits
of money. No, no, no, no, it can be whatever the value is that
someone assigned to it. The key that we have is the value block
in the RSS feed. That's the key. So, you know, we you can perhaps
surface a QR code. I'm just saying, you know, let's say you
can't do this in the app anymore. Use the split kit. You
know, how about this track usage? And then hit a button to
send an email to yourself that or to Alby, who then see that
email and automatically translate into payments? I mean,
there's so many ways around this, you know what I mean?
Yeah,
Dave Jones: all of Yeah, exactly. I've had I've had 100
thoughts on how to do it as well. And that, like, there's
just so there's so when all you when you focus on, what is the
problem that you're trying to solve? There's 100 ways around
it. It doesn't have to be, to me the, the button in the app is
the most elegant, straightforward way to do it.
But if that's taken away from us from some external thing that we
can't control in one platform, it's just not the end of the
world. I'm not worried about it.
Adam Curry: Exactly. I mean, we've we've gotten people to use
these apps. And that was the big change right there. Yeah, just
to get people to switch to a different app is much harder
them You know, oh, now you have an inconvenience. But again, I,
to me, it's just like, do you not I mean, these are
guidelines, these are not laws, pure like this is, according to
your own guidelines, it should be allowed. They can change that
tomorrow if they wake up and want to. That's not one of
ourselves.
Dave Jones: I want to say that, because a lot of this stuff a
lot, there's a lot of things happening. Twitter and Reddit
both increasing the cost of their API, which killed third
party apps. That was, that's a big thing that's going on right
now, you know, red is going dark, all this kind of stuff.
Adam Curry: Because people are lazy and don't want to do
anything. Do something yourself and make it work for them.
Dave Jones: We have to understand just just as, as a
culture as as a generation here, we have to understand that this
all of this stuff that we have been enjoying and in, in our
brains have been destroyed by for the last 15 to 20 years,
this is all about to change. The entire landscape of big tech is
radically changing as we speak, Oh,
Adam Curry: I love it. When you talk dirty like this, tell us
more.
Dave Jones: When you actually have to make money, everything
changes. And so Reddit, they don't have a choice, they have
got to make money, and they are going in they're going to do it.
And you know what, it's going to be just fine. Because we saw
this with Twitter, Twitter had 8000 employees, now they have
1500. And you know, what's changed? Nothing, absolutely
nothing. Except they're closer to making money than they ever
were before. They're still not profitable. And yet, they're
pretty darn close. And they're gonna get themselves to be
profitable. And come hell or high water and things are gonna
change in the process. The same things happening at Reddit is
going to happen all across the tech landscape and app in the
most. To me, the most important point here is, Apple is just
Reddit. Apple is Reddit, they charge us to use their API
according to their terms of service. Just because it just
happens. It just so happens to be on our own piece of hardware.
Right, that we still don't control it. They do. Oh, yeah.
That phone in your hand is just a small Reddit. That's all it
is.
Adam Curry: I mean, I think even if you look at the terms of
service, you kind of don't own anything. Yes. I mean, you know,
they could they can expire the certificates for the apps, they
can do whatever they want. You bought an app? Yeah, I'm not
really, you don't really own that app, we can remove that
from your mirror when they were moved. Was that to me was Amazon
Dave Jones: 1980s 1982.
Adam Curry: The Kindle from the Kindle, which was the most
ironic thing ever? Yeah, yeah. I mean, this so people forget
this.
Dave Jones: It's even worse. It's it's even worse than it's
even worse than red is it? So Apple is the iPhone has just
read it. But it's actually even worse. Because it's ideological
more than it is monetary. At least with Twitter and Reddit,
the issue was purely being able to afford the cost of the API
and make a profit, right with Apple. They were they've been
the most profitable company in the universe for many, many,
many years. It's not about profit within
Adam Curry: Apple, Apple doesn't need to keep up appearances. I
mean, you know, they're expecting to sell 20% Less
iPhones in the US, they have to up their you know, they have to
keep their service money going. So it's not unimportant, let's
put it that
Dave Jones: way. It's, it is a very sir, service, 70% of the
revenue of the App Store is from games. And almost 70% of that
revenue is from in app purchases. So you're only
talking about a a small portion of of the pie there. So this,
what we're talking about with fat, you know, value for value
payments, or damos, or any of these. That's a very small
amount of a very small sliver of what they would make with what
Apple saying what Reddit is saying is, we got it, we got to
pay for the API, so we're going to charge you money. What
Apple's saying is, if you want to keep your app available on
our platform, you must adhere to these guidelines, you must obey,
you must obey, yes, it's actually more closer to pure
censorship than it is. And I mean, this stuff that has
nothing to do with money. I mean, like, if you if you have a
social networking app, they dictate that you must have
moderate a moderator. Yeah. You have to prove that you can do
moderate you have all of these things that are non financially
related that you must adhere to, or they will kick you off the
platform. So it's actually worse than just a pure financial play.
It's an ideological play and like you don't own that you do
not own that iPhone this in your head you do not hence
Adam Curry: a shit coin. That's exactly what they are. They're
just a sheer coin. It's and that's okay. But I'm just
surprised. Everyone gets apple, the apple. Tim Tim Cook. No,
he's seen the writing on the wall. No man. Yeah, how long I
left Apple iPhone with the six and went to graphene OS. And now
I'm barely even on that now. I'm just back to my computer, which,
except for the studio computer, unfortunately, is everything's
Linux. I love this.
Dave Jones: I guess I'm technically on Android.
Technically,
Adam Curry: with a light phone. Yeah, technically, it's Android
under under,
Dave Jones: even though it's way, way, way, way down under
the covers. But that's obviously the
Adam Curry: the open source code. I mean, anybody can use
that anybody can create that. And
Dave Jones: I will say this once. One thing that we net,
we've seen these Apple developer Apple versus indie developers
disputes before. They've played out many times in public. In one
thing that Apple is very, has always been this way. They're
very nervous about bad public relations. They don't like bad
PR. They'd rather not deal with it. But they do want to save
face. I think that the ultimate resolution that happened with
with Domus was a combination of them wanting to not getting
embroiled in a PR problem. Combined with they do want to
say face that I don't really, really
Adam Curry: you really think you really think they care about
saving face.
Dave Jones: That's been proven time and time again, like they,
there's a there was a thing with the developer of an app called
Paul that had API that would give you it was kind of like
postman, for the Mac, it would give you API access. And it had
a bunch of documentation baked into and all that public spat
with them. And it was very clear in that, that they were trying
not to make people angry. But but then they also had to like,
stick to sort of stick to what they said. So they're trying to
like shoot this gap, where they're like, We didn't really
we didn't miss admit we were wrong. But we can, but we don't
want this to actually keep going any further. So they kind of
like came to a to an agreement or settlement. I think that's
what this is. I think they get overzealous a little bit with a
reviewer. they deemed Damas. And then they had and then Jack got
involved, and everybody started freaking out. And they were
like, oh, okay, well, we didn't really intend for this to
happen. Maybe then they got on the call. And then we're like,
Okay, well, it's really about posts, not about profiles, which
doesn't make any actually doesn't make any sense. No,
look, I think they just arbitrarily created a line to
say, Oh, it's just the post. That's to keep just to save
face.
Adam Curry: Hmm, I think that was the problem all along.
Looking at the change log, the change was zaps only, which
means according to the letter of the of the of their made up
rules. That a tip or donation has to be optional. And this
kind of didn't make it optional. If someone could force you into
doing this, and you know, the it's not about Dominus, I don't
they don't care. It's about the 100 million dollar, other
lawsuits. That's what it's about. Because if they allowed
Damas to get away with it, then they have to go back to Epic
Games and all that it's a shitshow. Apple is a law firm.
And they have some developers in their
Dave Jones: description. Yeah, it was my favorite. We could
mean you were going back and forth about that thing when it
happened. We're like, you're like Apple's law firm.
Adam Curry: Right out about that. So yeah, no, I'm not too
worried about again, value for value value for value dot info.
It's a mindset. West, we were talking with Martin from pod
friend on the show on in the boardroom last week. He says,
you know, value for value that's in the community. You know,
people just helping out people doing stuff. There's none of
that stops. None of that goes away. That do I love automated
value transfers. Yeah, of course. It's not going to stop.
It'll just stop on one platform. If it's it could stop on on any
platform. Unless, you know, by the way. I have no idea if a
progressive web app, I'm sure Apple can also forbid that they
can do whatever they want. But I would say that most people
should have that anyway. See, I agree. I mean, just seems to me
that's the way forward regardless, just regard
progressive
Dave Jones: web apps work on on the iPhone, and it's pretty
clean experience. It's not. Yeah, I know. I know. There's
limitations, but like my kids will send me like a tick tock
video. something pops up in a progressive web app. Oh, really.
And it's pretty impressive what they can do. Here's my here's my
thing, though PW A's out, Apple has already established that
going outside of their payment system. If you're still on their
platform is going to be a problem. They will still come
that they will they will bill you. They'll figure out how much
you're making. They'll estimate it and they will send you a
bill. Because you remember, so it's I think it was the Dutch
saying where app where Apple said where the where the
Netherlands passed the law and said you have to allow third
party payments, you have to allow payments through a third
party system, not in the app in in app purchase for dating apps.
Okay, and that, that, in response to that law, they said,
okay, yeah, sure that we will allow third party, you can do
these apps, these dating apps in the Netherlands can now directly
accept a credit card and not do any
Adam Curry: purchase. That's only in the Netherlands or all
of the EU.
Dave Jones: My understanding is it's only in the Netherlands.
Hmm. But then, but what Apple said, but they never said they
weren't going to take their 30%. What they do now is they just
bill you, you still have to pay the 30%. Really, you get to use
your own credit card system. But you still have to pay Apple. Let
me
Adam Curry: see. To comply with an order from the Netherlands
authority for consumers and markets. Yes, developers
distributing dating apps on the Netherlands App Store can choose
one of the following one, continue using Apple's in app
purchase system to use a third party payment system within the
app three include an in app link directing users to developers
website to complete the purchase or for use a third party payment
system within the app and include the link okay. Let me
see.
Dave Jones: Nathan said it's not 30% is 27%.
Adam Curry: Okay, now, interesting. I didn't even know
that. Oh, I do. I do know that the EU is now they're
threatening to make, you know, to say Apple is just completely
anti competitive. You have to have a third. You know, none of
it matters. It'll happen you're gonna get screwed no matter
what. If it comes down to money, you don't no one cares about
you. This one thing you and I were going back and forth about
I don't it's as friendly as some of the Apple Apple people or
they don't care about us. Yeah, I don't believe it. I don't
think they've given us any any benefits or any extra. Oh, we'll
see that through our fingers. Now. I don't think so. I don't
think so. We're probably right, but we're just a pure play. We
are pure. We're not trying to sell digital assets. No, we're
pure we and the name kind of the value for value versus zaps. I
mean come on it's obvious number saps
Dave Jones: only which word? Yeah, that was a terrible
decision.
Adam Curry: Yeah, mistake mistake.
Dave Jones: Yeah, I mean, just call it just call it only pay me
money or something like that. And I would have
Adam Curry: been better it's Friday. I'm feeling good. You
want to play some music? I feel like
Dave Jones: he was the selector of this music
Adam Curry: Well first of all, I want to thank tone record for
giving us some He's made us a little Friday kind of music bed
jingle thing which I want to get out of the way which is really
good.
Scissors Yeah, baby. We're running with the scissors.
Dave Jones: I like the like this
Adam Curry: guy. Oh, yeah. I have to see now this is why I
played the jingle because I got the stab or the stinger or the
whatever you want to call. I got it set up to go into our song
for today. So we'll sound just like a disc jockey on a radio
station.
Dave Jones: Oh man, you're pro. Yeah, well, I
Adam Curry: try. So Stephen B sent me a suggestion which he
sent through Ellen beats lm beats.com Which I did like but
then as I was fooling around and lm beats.com I came across
something else which kind of just felt like oh, this is what
I really want to do for for the Friday show. So instead of his
selection I'm going to play something else now. If you're
listening to this as a podcast recorded and distributed if
you're using well what is it? Who does pod friend curio
casters anyone else do the time the value time splits yet?
Dave Jones: We may find out today because I put that
information into the thing that dumps out to show me the boost
to read so Okay, good. We may see we may see in a surprise
participant
Adam Curry: now if you're listening live through. I don't
know if Martin has set up pod friend to do this live yet. But
for sure karaoke faster so let's just stick with that for now
until we hear differently you will actually see the album art
change the minute we played this song, the value block switches
to the artist to the to the musician, and that's where all
of your streaming SATs and your booster grams will go. So
consider doing that just to make this artists happy and get more
artists involved and want to do this. This is wow, this is an
upbeat song. I figured a little bit of uptempo here so let me
let me do this like a pro here for a second
ready rock day here we go. It's the underclass from LogMeIn 2.0.
Right Long the underclass told you'd like to and you'd like it.
Yeah, those guys are good. That's exactly the kind of stuff
I need on a Friday. Whoo. So
Dave Jones: Wiley Ellis gay says I don't associate with someone
who uses FaceTime as a verb.
Adam Curry: Can you say that in the song as you say FaceTime?
Dave Jones: No, I don't know that just just a
Adam Curry: non sequitur. Okay, oh, those guys aren't even
listening and doing something else all together.
Dave Jones: I've got three different chats going I'm losing
my mind.
Adam Curry: And I that's probably hosted a wavelength. I
think, by the way, the sovereign feeds what Stephen B has done
here is pretty badass. He now has basically little playout
system inside the inside the app so you can play the songs
straight from sovereign feeds. Of course, it'll synchronize
everything and put all the the value time split in the in the
right place. He has a you can add that you can create a value
block. So what we were talking about on the last show, I mean,
he just right away just went ahead and did it. So you can do
Just to create a block of you know for someone else whatever
it is it could be for for a clip that doesn't even have an RSS
feed or anything just people who have some wallets you can create
that block put it in switch that you could make it anything it's
become a great toolkit is really very valuable.
Dave Jones: I need to I need to go check that as the I don't
ever I don't I don't have a reason to use sovereign feet so
I don't ever log into it because I don't I don't post I don't
host a show right so I don't I never see the dashboard
experience of what this is. And I especially need to go and
check out like the whole sinking live thing. Like I can't get in
my head like what you're doing when you're doing this.
Adam Curry: Well I'm doing a lot of things that I don't want you
to know about but I'm glad you're that's no cameras for me
brother. You really need to check it I mean, my biggest fear
is Steven B keels over one day this thing's gone that's my
that's my that's honest to god that's my biggest fear. I would
love to have sovereign feeds sovereignly hosted happy to me I
think we already give them 10% of our value block don't we? I
think the hope so. Yes. 10% for sovereign feeds. You know, it's
something I'd love to have on my start nine which oh man do I
love that thing? I'm sorry to keep harping on it but who
Dave Jones: isn't made me if you keep talking like that? I'm
gonna You're gonna make me buy one of these.
Adam Curry: It's so the thing is it's so solid. It's like it just
it just works. It's just always there. You know this. It's not
wonky, and I love Umbro. But it's constant gotta walk factor,
particularly for a walk factor
Dave Jones: that do the show title.
Adam Curry: thing, so I'm writing it down.
Dave Jones: Yeah, I'm gonna have to buy one of these things.
Yeah. I mean, because I love I love the I love the Umbral that
you just keep talking so highly of this thing. I feel like now
I'm getting FOMO.
Adam Curry: Yeah, well, you can you can put it on your own
hardware. Yeah, it's an it's an OS. That's what I like about it.
You know? So if you if you just load this on your own hardware,
it loads like a like an OS, you I guess you could technically
even run it into Vm.
Dave Jones: I wonder what is doing under the covers? I wonder
if I would like to, for somebody to tell me whether I wonder if
it's like flat pack or some sort of like Nix OS type deal? I
don't know. I don't know. I would, I would love to, for
somebody to tell me what that's doing. Because you said it's not
Docker?
Adam Curry: No, no, no, no, it's they built an actual OS, you do
have to package up your your application. I'm not quite sure
what that means. But we got helipad on there we have IPFS
podcasting that's on there, which I've also learned
something about. So IPFS it seems that now kind of the way
to do things since the IPFS protocol, although supported in
some browsers, you know, and clearly no app said, Oh, Adam,
we love what you're doing, we're gonna implement that. So they
use now they use different exit, what is it called gateways? And
so it has a list of gateways, and then it'll switch around so
that you know, all the load does it go to one gateway? So it's
HTTP out, even though it kind of lives in this IPFS space.
Dave Jones: So that means like, when you say gateway, you're
talking about like, why Cloudflare runs?
Adam Curry: Well, like ipfs.io? Oh, yeah, I guess doesn't
Cloudflare also run an IPFS? Gateway? Yeah,
Dave Jones: I think they do. I wasn't familiar with the term
gateway. But I think I think
Adam Curry: it's called the gay that what that is, yeah. So you
can pull it out. You can can pull anything out, as long as
you have the hash, you can pull it out of there on HTTP, or
HTTPS, whatever it is. Yeah. Which is interesting. Now, of
course, and I know that Cameron was talking to Steven B to
implement this into sovereign feeds, where I would publish,
and then it would, they would ping IPFS get the hash, ping it
bring it back in, add that into an alternate enclosure. What I
would like it to be of course it just why not just straight up? I
mean, I'd love to I'd love to stress tested I'd love to try
just an IPFS link, but I have to create the the actual feed with
the enclosure first before I can get it out of IPFS podcasting as
an IPFS file. That makes sense.
Dave Jones: Yes, so does IPA does the IPF IPFS podcast you
running it on your star nine right now? Yes, I am. So does
that app create? Does it try to serve the feed and the enclosure
over IPFS or just the enclosure?
Adam Curry: Ah, hold on. That's a good question. I think IPFS
podcast if I'm not mistaken. I think IPFS podcasting.net
creates an IPFS podcasting.net Feed I believe let me say, let
me just. And then from that, which I don't think that parts
host, and when we did have camera on me, I'm struggling
here to explain the stuff that I've just been running it and I
just see that people are using it. But I think ultimately you
can subscribe to a you can subscribe to an IPFS RSS feed. I
think that's that's a Cameron's vision there. And let me see
IPFS podcasting.net/rss/podcasting 2.0
dot XML. So creates a new RSS feed and in that RSS feed it
has, so maybe that's the way to do it. Just subscribe to it that
way. And then and you know, and then it will just it'll work I
guess. I should try that.
Dave Jones: It'll it'll work,
Adam Curry: I guess. I guess. I can submit this feed to the to
the index. It's just it'll show up. I don't think it'll show up.
As it'll won't say IPFS version will probably just be a replica
be a dupe which will come suck. Let me see what
Dave Jones: the. And it's funny because I'm almost like a purist
with this. Where it's almost like I don't want to do IPFS at
all, unless you can do all all IPFS all the way down to the
bottom, like seed enclosure, all of it. Yeah, what I understand
that your feeds still come in from HTTP in your enclosures are
from IPFS? I don't know, it seems, it seems like a cheat.
No, they're not saying it is. But it seems that Well, they're
Adam Curry: both they're both going to come over HTTP. Yeah.
So the, the title of the feed remains the same party. So it's
just copied one for one, the only thing that changes is the
enclosure URLs. And so there you get a hash, but it's not it's
not an IPFS protocol. It's the HTTP protocol and it has one of
those revolving gateways. Okay, which is, which basically makes
you rely on you know, rely on the rest of the world. I guess.
Yeah, so here it is. Um, oh, wow. Okay, I'm sorry. Take that
back. He must have done some upgrading. Check this out. So in
this feed that is created from IPFS podcasting.net The
enclosure has an HTTPS I IPFS podcasting.net/ipfs as a gateway
then a hash for the mp3 and then has an alternate enclosure. Oh,
hello with IPFS
Dave Jones: Where are you seeing this
Adam Curry: in my feet in the in the podcasting 2.0 Feed. Oh,
really? Almost. I'm gonna give this to you right now. I'm gonna
jack this into the trap chat room too. There you go. Chat
Room. Oh, does that oh, that
Dave Jones: that's a file link. Yeah, that will work. On your D
drive.
Adam Curry: Everyone talked to my D drive for a minute.
Unknown: Everybody see the file just go back
Adam Curry: slash he made me sound like a douche. Alright,
hold on. That's all right. Hey, I used to have a D drive. Okay.
Dave Jones: Yes. Oh there too. Okay, here we go. Happy offense
podcasting. Done it. opened this link
Adam Curry: Yeah, it'll probably do well,
Dave Jones: let's see me excuse me got a style sheet with him.
Yeah, baby. Yeah, well, I'm just vertical.
Adam Curry: So you know, maybe we just throw that into the into
the index as a as a secondary feed except it would have to
have a different title. But it updates on the fly. It updates
whenever I update. I don't know. I might even be listening to pod
ping for all I know. No cameras cameras out there.
Dave Jones: Let's see I see it. Puck is he has got everything is
got everything in it. Let's see. That's the lettuce. It's got the
it's got to live it. Where's this? Where's the alternate
enclosure? Okay, here's here's the here's the here's the
enclosure. Alternate enclosure. Hey, yeah. Wow, that's, that's
pretty rad.
Adam Curry: So I look at his stats here. 74 IPFS nodes
hosting 15,250 episodes from 331 feeds worldwide. Currently.
There's something here and the fact that it's using alternate
enclosure is kind of badass.
Dave Jones: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I've I feel bad because I just
jettisoned my whole concept of IPFS. But when we had such a
problem with delivering the database that way, yeah, it had
to kind of give up on it. But I don't know maybe I'm stumped. I
was kind of tired of getting burned by it. So I was just like
screw I'm not doing this anymore. I hear ya, I hear Yeah,
but maybe maybe it's time to go back and visit that and see how
reliable it is.
Adam Curry: I mean, the stuff works. I mean, you hit one of
those enclosure links, it'll, it'll, it'll work. It's pretty
quick. I haven't had any issues. I mean, I'd like to try it with
no agenda, she would happens yeah.
Dave Jones: You're always gonna have some nut some nut jobs out
there that are willing to try this stuff.
Adam Curry: I'm just saying that, you know, when I think of,
you know, combining sovereign feeds with IPFS podcasting, I
don't know, you know, just I just feels like there's
something there feels like new for people who want to who want
to live free and independent. And you have this dashboard that
Steven B is building is beautiful. And this is this is
serious. This is serious little tool here. Which as I said, if
it goes away, my life is over. I mean, I lose a lot here. I
learned we
Dave Jones: have to man do we have key man insurance? You
gotta we
Adam Curry: better keep man insurance. I love key man
insurance. Yeah. So
Dave Jones: that was phase six is in the can officially
Adam Curry: no one was the voting.
Dave Jones: It happened very quickly. You so fast you didn't.
Adam Curry: Okay, so we have in phase six in the camp and I saw
someone post on podcast index dot social that they were all
working on stuff that has nothing to do with phase six.
Dave Jones: Nothing's nothing's ever good enough for you.
Adam Curry: So what do we have? For sure for sure in phase six
now?
Dave Jones: Oh, you caught me. You caught me off guard. Yeah, I
Adam Curry: mean, I don't want to I don't want to turn this
into any hot namespace talk. But if he could just get a,
Dave Jones: you don't want to turn it into that? Well, I want
to turn it into that.
Adam Curry: Okay, if you want that.
Unknown: And now it's time for someone to be hot namespace talk
the switch.
Adam Curry: Dim the lights now.
Dave Jones: darks. namespace? Let's see what we got here. We
got a TXT record. A remote item. Pod roll, update frequency, pod
ping. And value time split. Nice. Yes. Those are the
inductees into the face. That's some
Adam Curry: big stuff. So roll by him again. So it's pod roll.
Dave Jones: No t x t x t. Remote item, which is huge. Be a pod
roll. Pod roll, which uses remote?
Adam Curry: Yep. Yeah.
Dave Jones: Date frequent frequency?
Adam Curry: It tell me about this one. What is I've seen this
combine I'm like, Haha, my eyes glazed over. I'm like, I don't
think I need this. What is update frequency?
Dave Jones: You can use this though. So this is I kind of
like I kind of liked this tag. It first I was I was like, well,
we and we've got pod pain that needs to be the future. Why do
we need to start specifying update frequency. But then the
more you think about it, the more you can see the use case
here. In the world case, in the world of pod pain, you may not
necessarily need to know when a think part of the problem is I'm
thinking always only and only sort of sometimes as an
aggregator. I'm not thinking as a normal person. Like Newsflash,
nobody knows that already. So the but then if you if you step
away from that for a second, you see the utility there because
what you can say is you, for instance, you could signal that
a podcast is about to come up is about to release. So he says the
new podcast, here's the trailer, or a teaser episode, but really,
but but we're this is going to be we're going to release on a
cadence. And so you know, in advance, each time each time an
episode is going to drop or something like that, like you
could say this is a way to signal to the world. When you
they can expect these episodes to come out. Even as even though
the aggregator is going to know when they when they get a pod
paying. This is an that's not a way you pod painting isn't is
not a descriptive thing. You know, it doesn't tell you win
some It doesn't tell you when it's going to happen and when it
does happen, right.
Adam Curry: So and I just got a link which I've put in the show
notes, the update dash frequency dot versal dot app. From Nathan
Yes, he's very snappy, but it's in the show notes. And that
allows you to create the update frequency tag so you can have
that and put it right into your feed. It's pretty cool shows you
what it is.
Dave Jones: It's very compact. I like I like this tag. And I see
that Nathan uses the same marketing department we do so
Yes, exactly.
Adam Curry: This is something that actually if if anyone ever
implemented the value block auto, this would be something
that could be used kind of in tandem with that. So if I want
to automatically send someone something when they drop an
episode, for am I just making it more complicated for myself now?
Dave Jones: No, I see. No, that would be one way. Yeah, for
sure. I'm just never
Adam Curry: gonna use this iPod ping. Just listen for my ping
pod. Will you
Dave Jones: hear like, you're not gonna use it, because
everybody knows when you do your thing, but but at the same time,
it can be done in a programmatic way. I mean, you could put this
tag easily into your feed. You can say, here's the dates that
we release episodes, and then apps could show it.
Adam Curry: Oh, yeah, they could have they could highlight it.
They can do stuff like that.
Dave Jones: Yeah, exact. So like you could say, we release on
Thursdays and Fridays, every Thursday and Friday for no
agenda or week. This show releases every Friday afternoon.
Adam Curry: Okay, so yeah, okay. Yeah, it's more aggregator side.
But yeah, I can see where that would
Dave Jones: be. That's the thing is, it's not aggregator side.
That's what confused me to see. You're thinking like an
aggregator? I'm sorry. Stop you thinking like an aggregator?
Like, I wasn't. That's the that's the confusing thing.
Like, it's about telling. Nature says it's about telling the
listener? Yeah. Yeah. So look at look at what podcast app like
overcast does, where on the podcast description page. He
puts in there, this little blurb that says releases on Friday
afternoons. That is him programmatically running through
his database and in in figuring that out on the fly so that he
can then tell the listener when the show normally releases in
this, this is a way that this you can just do it yourself as
the podcast or not have to rely on all these antics of database,
you know, manipulation to figure it out.
Adam Curry: Got it? Okay. Yeah, that's all it was, was more me
telling the apps to show something that could be
translated to something for listeners?
Dave Jones: Yeah, it lets it's like it's like you providing
your own TV Guide. Yeah. Okay. Well, that makes sense. To the
listener. Yeah. You're letting him know. Who proposed this to
Nathan, Nathan gathright. And this is baby. Okay, cool. All
right. Yeah. And it uses a really compact frequency
description language. Would you guys
Adam Curry: yes, I can see that. Okay, I approve this as fine.
Dave Jones: Thanks. Did you is that a yes. Vote for me? That's
a
Adam Curry: yes. By the way. I have to thank who put the ISO
bought dot dev page together who did this?
Dave Jones: What is ISO button?
Adam Curry: Oh my goodness. Go to ISO bought dot Dev. Every
single item, every single ISO that has been created in the
chat room. Yes. Now it's hard coded walk factor particularly
for this is anything you want. That we've said that someone
ISOs is now available on this ISO bought dot Dev. This is
phenomenal.
Dave Jones: I disapprove of this. I
Adam Curry: think. I think what do you think is orrible? I did
think it's a great idea.
Dave Jones: I do not want to be on the record and an easily
searchable indexable fashion for crap that I said on the show
that
Adam Curry: you do not want to go look@bing.io? For sure. Have
you seen that? Have you seen what we've done there?
Dave Jones: I played with being it.io for the first time the
other day, that is a phenomenal resource.
Adam Curry: So this is Sir de nonnamous Apparently his his
company would you know I guess this his own company goes into
businesses and says okay, we'll take your millions of documents
and data, whatever, and we'll put it into something you can
actually find stuff. So you know, knowing that everything I
produce comes from the freedom controller, which by default
outputs XML, either an OPML or RSS included in that every
single Thank you, Dred Scott, almost every single transcript
for every single show this I think it's like 20 or 25 that
have to either be done or redone. Then I'm kind of waiting
for for transcribe.fm to come online. With cuz I just I just
want to try it with that. I mean, you literally I found
stuff that. I know we talked about it. You know, I know I
talked about this 10 years ago, you typed in a couple of terms,
boom, there it is. Click on the link. I hear myself saying it.
Dave Jones: Does this now does this cover podcasting 2.0 shows
as well, but
Adam Curry: that was only no agenda. But we can do the same
because we have the exact same data for podcast I think Moe
facts is going to be great when you do that one. Oh, yeah,
that's a great one. And again, Dr. I think that every single
show turn it into a transcript transcripts are incredibly
valuable. And, and then so being it.io If anyone wants to see how
this works, you know just because just because I'm not I'm
not a genius, but because of the freedom controller creating
everything in OPML and then creating making a backup copy of
every single article we've ever used almost every single article
we've ever used in the show notes. So no just strips out
everything is just a text copy. And I'd say we have 90% Probably
because there's a lot of stuff that you just can't strip out
just won't work or it fails or whatever. Over time probably
total about 90 Also all the clips all the mp3 and when I
upload those that uploaded in a specific directory, so he kind
of knows he's put some fuzzy search logic in there for the
divorce hack misspellings
Dave Jones: that's funny and
Adam Curry: and it's I mean it turns the podcast into something
that a college level graduate level could use to research
things to find where we were talking about it then to you
know get the articles even you know places the right artwork
for that for that but I mean it's phenomenal with the guys
Dave Jones: so is this open source or is this him I
Adam Curry: didn't I don't know.
Dave Jones: Because I wonder if it contains AI and data dust?
Adam Curry: Oh yeah, no, it's I told him to put AI on the top I
told him to put that in there so let me see it says about data
Dave Jones: dust does it have data does I'll ask him to add
that
Adam Curry: it definitely should it just no agenda AI search
they'll ask him to add data dust.
Dave Jones: What be knows what pod chaser added some data dust
there to that type of thing. Have you seen their data dust by
the way the similar tab
Adam Curry: pod chaser I mean so that's the new that's the new
new thing that Spotify is new business model with podcast is
pod chaser. I think that's
Dave Jones: known no pod chasers the thing that a cast ball pod
pod chasers better have something different what
Adam Curry: is pod pod chaser Do you know whenever I honestly
whenever I hear pod chaser is gonna sound weird. It sounds
like a like a porn thing
Unknown: yeah
Adam Curry: where the where the pod chases we go around town we
get pods when we change we taste the pods and then we make them
strip on camera just weird weird weird. Okay pod chaser. What
does it do?
Dave Jones: Yeah just punch so good Good apart chester.com This
is This is AI this is your AI and your day to dust
Adam Curry: they say data dust please tell me
Dave Jones: the guy said that during the interview sprinkle
some data does
Adam Curry: your daily source daily source for podcast
discovery oh I need to discover a new podcast every day I guess.
Dave Jones: Yes it look go search for this show search for
podcasting 2.0 and then click and so this is this is your a is
AI like a state of the art with AI go to the similar tab over
there in the right. They have determined with a eyes that are
similar to our show.
Adam Curry: I have similar okay similar she liked podcasting 2.0
You might like these similar podcasts Breaking Point was
Stephanie Conway the connected Caroline show the podcast
ambassador with Gary Leland
Dave Jones: well you Aryan brown bag what is that?
Adam Curry: Wait I don't have the Bavarian brown bag take your
show stuff random
Dave Jones: the Mentor Project okay it's your it's your dad but
this is the most important no go back to about a boot up go to a
boot and look where did they get this picture of you?
Adam Curry: Oh that's interesting because it has
nothing to do it's not the picture that we use in our feed
and what was this picture of you is the cartoon we have no face
it well that's what I really look like. I'm sorry, the
faceless Jones
Dave Jones: Hmm I don't know where they get this picture from
it almost looks like it's from Podcast Movement. Let me see
this picture. I love it. I don't remember you wearing that
jacket.
Adam Curry: That's very very old that's very old. I don't know
Dave Jones: man it's not coming from any say dude that you have
I don't think of yourself and anything you
Adam Curry: know that's very goofy looking.
Dave Jones: Not as goofy as mine.
Adam Curry: I mean how goofy can be when you have no face it's
okay yeah, this is like
Dave Jones: your post up
Adam Curry: oh stop all right. Well, can't we find this in the
image Google later
Dave Jones: that's a good idea.
Adam Curry: Oh, second let me see.
Dave Jones: Does this this may be aI they may have pulled this
out of AI that may not even be you Lee's
Adam Curry: so insulting. Okay, let's see. I'm dragging my
picture. Oops. Oh, my D drive again. Here we go. Upload. Let
me see Visual matches. Wow. That was from it's from the Dutch
newspaper headline in Adam curry married again. Now this could be
from several different periods in my life so I'm not quite sure
what the date is
Dave Jones: 20 recent Does that just mean it No.
Adam Curry: May 20 2019. So they took it from it's it's actually
copyrighted material by the newspaper.
Dave Jones: Oh, Lord. That's your that's your chat GPT API.
Adam Curry: There you go. There you go. Yeah. Data, dust data
dust at
Dave Jones: work. All right. Well, Alex said, Alex said Stop
touching your D drive during the show. I'm sorry.
Adam Curry: Okay, okay. Well, great. I'm so happy that
Dave Jones: I just wanted to bring that up. Because that's
the, you know, the AI is the infatuation with podcasting now,
and this is the quality product that you get with, with AI and
machine AI ml. Yeah.
Adam Curry: Yeah. I mean, I don't even know where to start
with all that. It's just like, No, it's just No, it's all of
it's just, I mean, I played some clips from Noah Harare. You
know, this guy is. He's the, he's the World Economic Forum
guy, that he He's written several books that all the
elites love about the future, and we're all going to die.
Dave Jones: transhumanist Whoa,
Adam Curry: yeah. Yeah, in a way he is. Okay. And he was
interviewed about AI and maybe worth just playing these for
silence. They're not really long. It's like a minute each.
So he's talking to this hosts about AI. And, you know, and,
and how, how it's going to eat the world is basically the idea
is listen to this
Unknown: AI is now at the stage, like of I don't know, amoebas.
It's like 4 billion years ago, and the first living organisms
are crawling out of the organic soup. And so Chad GPT and all
these wonders, they are the amoebas of the AI world. What
would T Rex look like? And how long would it take for the AI
amoebas to evolve into the T rexes? Waste? And
Dave Jones: this is, this is the gut. This is like the skip logic
COBOL guy. This is this is the same type of crap. Like one of
those guys that just gets paid to talk about stuff that he
barely understands.
Adam Curry: Well, yeah, yeah, in a way. He's a future futurist.
Yeah. Well, no Harare, he wrote a very famous, he wrote a couple
of famous books. But the one that was his best seller that
got him into the elite circles. Let me see. I think it's sapiens
is what it's called a brief history of humankind. Okay.
Very, very famous book. I think Sam Sethi for some reason. Sam
Sethi I think might have had posted this. This is a great
book.
Dave Jones: Is so he's like a Malcolm Gladwell kind of guy.
Adam Curry: Only bald and scary, too. Yeah. So his other ones
were homo DOS, Deus, I guess a brief history of tomorrow. 21
lessons for the 21st century. His writings examined freewill
consciousness intelligence. So he's the guy that's out there
saying we've got to get universal basic income because
AI is going to eat everyone's job that's that's basically his
one of his pitches. So now he's telling us that chat GPT is AI
amoeba? What will the T Rex look like
Unknown: to evolve into the T rexes and it wants to take
billions of years, maybe takes just a few decades or a few
years? Because the evolution of AI is a completely different
timescale than the evolution of organic beings. Because AI
itself works on a different timescale. AI is always on one
of the computers in general are always on humans and other
organic organisms they live they exist they developed by cycles.
We need to rest some time. I never need to rest.
Dave Jones: Who's that guy? This guy making a lot of sense well,
Adam Curry: so after this, I actually have a 22nd clip of
that guy so as the interviewer and after this Harare does his
whole his whole spiel here about you know AI it'll think for
itself you know, we're all gonna die it's gonna write its own
Bible will have its own religion. We don't Ninetails
then, then the host says this,
Unknown: you know, when I was preparing this interview, I
wrote down questions that I would like to ask you and then
ask chat GBT questions that it would like to ask you. And I've
been doing this for a long time. Okay. 25 years I've been doing
this and it's questions were better than mine. I'm gonna be
honest.
Adam Curry: Oh, crap, oh, this guy probably has probably never
heard of this guy in his 25 year careers because maybe your
questions aren't that good.
Dave Jones: Maybe it's not that Chechi Beatty is great. Maybe
it's just really bad at your job.
Adam Curry: Oh, man.
Dave Jones: I mean, this is such Volker. So So we're, what I love
is we're gonna. So you know, James on the latest pod. I would
almost call it pod land and the latest pod news weekly Power Pod
news weekly review on the latest one of those he said that he now
takes press releases and dumps them into Google board and asks
it to somebody to tell me what this is saying. So here's what's
gonna happen. We're all we're gonna have. We're gonna have
marketing people, they're going to put in two sentences and say,
Please turn this into a press release, send it out, then the
press people, then the journalists are going to get it
and say, Please turn this back into something I can understand.
So it's basically gonna like the the press release in its
entirety is just going to be like a, like one of those tubes
at the bank when you deposit.
Adam Curry: Yeah, yeah. I mean, yeah. You know, just okay. All
right. I'll wait. I'll wait for it to turn the T Rex and kill
everybody and do everybody's job. And it's like, no, I just
don't see. I mean, I'm looking otter now. otter.ai, which I'd
love to not use. I'd love to pay in SATs to transcribe.fm. I like
to take that money. Give it to him. You know, and I was doing
summaries. Oh, these are great for your chapters. I mean, first
of all, it's a million chapters. I'd much rather give Dred Scott
5% of the split. So he can come up with stolen base. How news
works in the United United States? Chip Gibbons, Policy
Director. Are there two sides of the deep state? It's not an
answer. I mean,
Dave Jones: Chapter GPT
Adam Curry: it's that's exactly what it is. Okay.
Dave Jones: Did you? I've got I've got some clips. I brought
some clips.
Adam Curry: Oh, we love your clips. Dave. But you got
Dave Jones: so this. I was listening to this dude. This is
on a podcast called Monero talk.
Adam Curry: I wonder what the show is about.
Dave Jones: It's really hard to figure out what it's about, but
it's about Mineiro. I know it's confusing, but let me explain.
Okay. So manera talk is actually a pretty interesting podcast.
They have horrible audio. It is you don't you do not? People
should boosts this show just for the amount of work I put into
cleaning up this clips to make them listen, double. But they if
you can get past the terrible audio. They actually have some
really good interviews sometimes. And they're not.
Although they're Monaro people and so they don't you know,
they're not crazy about Bitcoin. They're not they do they have
Bitcoin people on and they I think a lot of times their
coverage of things is pretty fair. I think they do they try
to be vehicle be fair. And so the they had this guy on his
part of the Monaro core team and I don't exactly knows who knows
what that is, I don't know if he's a developer or whatever,
but he clearly knows he knows his stuff. He knows the math, he
knows the cryptography at a level which which you know, is
is functional. So he's talking about and this I was listening
to this yesterday and really this thing just blew my mind I
was just kind of like I was actually kept not really
listened to it over and over. This guy's name is Francisco
Francisco cub cabana? Yes. Okay. He is an expert witness in the
Bitcoin fog a case Dino the Bitcoin fog case fog fog Yes.
Fog or fu GFOG Bitcoin far I
Adam Curry: do not know I do not know what is this?
Dave Jones: So this is a this is a court case. Interested in let
me summarize it as best I can. So Bitcoin Fogg was an open
source mixer Bitcoin mixer.
Adam Curry: Oh, okay. Yeah. So it would mix up HDL C's and poop
out a new one. And so you have, you know, one bitcoin created
from multiple Bitcoins. So it's not traceable.
Dave Jones: Yeah. You said you said it. You said HDL C's but
it's really I think he meant UTX
Adam Curry: UTX O's. Yes. Thank you. All right, man. guess
Dave Jones: yes a coin is a coin join is what it is. And so it's
a mixer and it would be Bitcoin so this this Bitcoin Fogg thing
they alleged that lots of lots of illegal illicit funds I don't
know if it's terrorism or drugs or something like a lot of stuff
and went through this Bitcoin fog. So therefore, the guy who
owns the big who ran Bitcoin fog is is a criminal and they're
gonna bring him up on Tron really hmm. And the way that
they've identified the individual that they say ran
Bitcoin Fogg is that the they say that they use blockchain
analysis to pinpoint where he purchased the Bitcoin fog domain
back in in a specific Bitcoin output. So they supposedly tied
this ut EXO to him and then they saw where the funds from that
UTX o were used were spent to purchase the domain of Bitcoin
Fogg so
Adam Curry: that means he both he didn't use his own system to
protect his purchase of the domain name
Dave Jones: perhaps I don't I don't know those details. Now
I'm starting to I'm wondering now maybe somebody can look it
up. Bitcoin thinking they have been convicted felon may have
been an exchange not a mixer I think I'm getting confused with
tornado cash anyway. It that's the basically the but the heart
of the case is that they were using Blockchain analysis
Adam Curry: right to find out where he was and who he is
behind maybe
Dave Jones: this to identify this person. So this fella
Francisco combined, yes. From the manera core team. He says
basically, this this blockchain analysis stuff does not work.
Pocket snake, it's snake oil. He goes over the he goes over some
of the math and the cryptography behind it, and says, this, this
is snake oil that's been sold to governments, but it does not
work. Even in Bitcoin. So that's the thing is like, you know, one
of the these privacy coins like Manero? Yeah, they are more
private, they are more private than Bitcoin. But he says, even
that being given, you still can't look at bitcoins
blockchain and determined for sure who spent what, which is
actually different than what the Bitcoin people themselves say,
yeah.
Adam Curry: It's open, you can track everything is right there.
Interest is
Dave Jones: out. That's not actually the case. Okay. And so
clip one, he kind of goes over that
Unknown: the absence of privacy does not mean you have good
surveillance, you could look past like,
Adam Curry: do you mind if I just run this through my AI for
a second? Please do
Unknown: the absence of privacy does not mean you have good
surveillance, you could look at it that way. You could create
the whole idea in the design of Bitcoin privacy, and there is an
entire section on privacy and but Bitcoin block wiping is you
have anonymous output, and you break the linkage between the
output and the other person or persons. And so therefore, you
frustrated enough that it's practical. This is the theory to
actually severely, someone comes along and cooks up an algorithm
keeps it proprietary, throws a bunch of heuristics and stuff in
the system. And guesses someone with a completely wild some of
them are totally invalid. And then turns around and says we
can detect criminal activity. And we're going to sell this to
governments and we're going to charge you a big fee to access
our proprietary software. They do Gooding of sales job to
convince convince enough regulators and enough law
enforcement officials etc, that they got this too good to be
true true for law enforcement, the false rent to pay amount of
money in the start accusing people and all of a sudden the
whole thing gets dumped in front of the court.
Adam Curry: Well, that's interesting. I always thought it
was completely possible unless you went through, as you said,
one of these mixers but even without that blockchain
analysis, apparently is just not true.
Dave Jones: Yeah. And he's he makes a very convincing case in
this in in his discussion there. And at one point, the host says,
Well, you know, you're saying that you're saying that this is
all the fiction like this can be done. And is there any who can I
have on the show? Give me somebody who disagrees with you
as I can that I can have on the show, right that we can have a
counterpoint to? And he says, well, there were some but I, but
I've since convinced them all that I'm right. There's nobody
left that disagrees with this guy. So anyway, the point so
that's the foundation of what he's saying. But then he goes
one step further. And this is the part that kind of blew my
mind is, he says If you think about it, not not being able to
see the privacy that we have within the blockchains, whether
it's a privacy coin or Bitcoin, the obscurity and the inability
to find out who spent what for what is actually in the context
of blockchain analysis being part of regulations, it's
actually worse than if you couldn't tell it all. Because
now you can be blamed for stuff and you can be accused of things
and you can't prove that you didn't do it.
Adam Curry: Alright, clip two. Yeah.
Unknown: What's the EU? What they're trying to do in the
European Union? Is it trying to bake blockchain surveillance
into legislation. And this is the section 76 used to be called
Section 68 of the MICF. And that's the rule that I think is
the most dangerous, because essentially, what it says is it
puts incredibly onerous requirements. If the guy cannot
be surveilled with Blockchain surveillance, well, you can't
fake it. So they kind of they really got into it to lobby for
that particular section. So what I think is going to happen, and
this is what I think are different points of view on
this. If the legal winds start to blow in, in the you know, in
our favor, then we're going to see either Law Section challenge
or and this is where I think some people in the policy group
maybe Robin would be a good example of that. I said, Well,
this is so onerous, they're going to sort of find a way of
not enforcing it. If on the other hand, it goes the you
know, there's no legal breakthrough then it will most
likely consequence would be that border obita listed at every
exchange in the European Union. Now well that lead to a human
rights challenge our hope so
Adam Curry: McIntosh just sent a booster gram Bitcoin Fogg is
indeed a mixer. Says the entire lawsuit is a joke. The company
performing the chain analysis is essentially saying he's guilty
without showing how they do it complete black box oh, and
Bitcoin fog is still running while the guy accused of running
it sits in jail.
Dave Jones: Yeah, it all ties back to this supposedly they
they supposedly have identified the transaction where the
Bitcoin fog got bought, where this particular individual
bought the Bitcoin fog domain name. But they there's
absolutely no, they can't prove it. There's no proof of this and
in in a way that they're willing to expose, because this is all
like, you know, private data. So then, like the point that he
makes about the EU, he says that the EU, he says that the US at
least saving grace there is that they are not the US is not
making their regulations dependent on these blockchain
analysis. operations but the EU is mica legislation actually
puts it into law.
Adam Curry: Well, wait, wait, you're telling me that people in
government don't know what they're talking about when it
comes to technology? No, stop. Stop, stop. Wow.
Dave Jones: Anyway, this it's a good it's kind of blowing my
mind because we you always hear from Bitcoin people that Oh, is
totally transparent. Yeah, that's what I thought. But it's
actually really difficult to prove a chain of custody from
UTX o to UTX. Oh, and that, especially when you think about
key, you know, keys, getting stolen all these kinds of
things. You really cannot there's no linkage between an
actual person and these UTX owes. That's a fiction for moat
most of the time. And it actually makes things on a
regulatory stance, it makes sense. It actually makes things
more complicated than if everything was just easily
traceable.
Adam Curry: Which would be fine with me. And it comes to Bitcoin
I'd be fine with it. I don't care. I'm not gonna be using
free legal stuff. I have nothing to hide Eric Schmidt if I have
something to hide, I'll use my arrow I know what's up. Man. So
the Bitcoin Amsterdam Bitcoin 2024 People are have been kind
of responsive if anything I have not been responsive kind of
dragging it out a little bit. And the reason why is I want to
write something and so there's two parts there's three parts to
this listen up people because you can help and maybe it's the
lb guys I don't know someone somebody raised their hand and
said hey, you know I can I can do so I can actually hop over to
Bitcoin, Amsterdam. Whoever does this you don't even need to be
in Bitcoin Amsterdam. What we need and I think we need to set
a didn't Did they send us an invite? I think I saw an invite
Dave Jones: I saw an email that they said they were going to
send an invite, but I'm not sure I saw the invite.
Adam Curry: I have to check they just randomly said, Oh, I'm sure
Dave not will be available at this time. Sure. Okay. And the
idea is we're going to talk about what so I guess there's
three things one is there some is this something that no agenda
tube can host? And you got some now Do you Have you spoken Alex
about the numbers about like 7000 streams?
Dave Jones: No, I haven't talked to him about it because we don't
even know if we know we just haven't got that far yet. I
don't know if
Adam Curry: I can already medium winching wincing like what?
Dave Jones: I'm sure I've made as long as he's, you know, as
long as he gets paid for it, I'm sure he'd be willing to at least
think about it.
Adam Curry: Well, so I mean, that's, that's the question is,
you know, hey, do we want to even get into that, but I think
the main thing is, now we have a system sovereign feeds, and
maybe Stephen B should just be doing this, where we can load in
value blocks, into a live stream, and, and pump that into
all of the live shows. And the value block would change when
the next speaker comes on. The value block can be obviously
split up, if it's a panel of people, what we would need in
order to propose this properly, is we would need the boosts to
be to represent the value block. So the same way that if if we
get a boost to Graham, when someone was boosting during the
song, the underclass that we need to be able to see that
that's going to the underclass, and not just to me, or to
podcasting. 2.0 So that's the TLV record stuff that that
apparently is only on the receiving end it's already be we
don't know if people are baking it in or not. I have no idea.
You know what I'm talking about?
Dave Jones: Yeah, that is the airhead said live splits. Live
split changes are easy with peer tube. Okay, so that looks like
that we can do the LSC. Alex is saying. And this is this is kind
of why I hadn't really pursued it yet. Because he said I'd
rather help them set up their own infrastructure, but I'm open
to it. That's kind of what I was thinking. I mean, they could
roll you know, they could roll their own. It's, it wouldn't be
expensive. Right? We just show them how to do it.
Adam Curry: Right. So the only the main thing is the value time
split. And I'm just saying we have a tool that does it
sovereign feeds does it, then and that I think is independent
of no agenda to because they the plugin just takes the value
block the whatever is being displayed. I guess, anyway, I
don't understand how that works. Let me just tell you what we
need in order to if we want to propose this to these guys,
because I think it would be great because if we have enough
apps, which we don't, if we have apps that that will understand
the value time split. And be able to implement that on a live
stream and post mortem, you know, in a podcast version, but
most importantly, the live stream. Episode that when people
are sending booths that those can then be picked up by the
conference and shown on stage or shown as a lower third in their
video feed, then we can propose that I'm not quite sure what
needs to happen to get there. Because these will all be remote
items that remote items will presumably be created by
something like sovereign feeds, which already has it already
does it. So I don't know, if we need to recreate that. Then we
can propose that that's a business I'm telling that's a
business. If someone wants to pick that up, you've got a real
business there putting putting your own split. You know, you
will be able to do this around the world with any webinar or
with any conference. It's a business waiting to be picked
up.
Dave Jones: Yeah, and that's why I'm, that's another reason why
I'm diving in deep with, with what's going on and no agenda
tube in the peer to development work is because this is this is
important. I mean, we need this needs to be stressed, you know,
stress tested, and we need to see if this stuff works
properly, in where the where the gotchas are. Right. Because this
really is I mean, I see this as a this is the way forward for
people like that to roll you know, roll a peer tube instance
and be able to monetize a stream that way. I mean, this is real
we're talking real stuff now. This is not just toys.
Adam Curry: No, it's not just toys.
Dave Jones: It's not I mean it think of I mean he Even if they
wanted to, like, it goes back to the PWA thing. Let's say once
you've got the stream, and you've got all the parts
working, even if let's just say, Apple, Google, whoever, even if
they pull apps off the store, that the data is you could just
write a very thin PWA on top of this content, and you're back in
business
Adam Curry: Exactly. But I'd like to see it with the existing
podcast apps that already work. And so here comes the second
part, I would like to, they have asked me to write an op ed. And
what I would like to write about is 2.0 value for value with the
value time split for music. So that my pitch is something new
is happening in podcasting. Now we're adding in music, you can
play music on a podcast, and we have a magic system where the
wallet switches to the to the artist who you're playing, this
is a big pitch. And I want to write this that gave me What's
1000 words, I need to have more apps that can that can do it.
Otherwise, you know, it'll just be a wasted opportunity. So if
we, if we know that like pod verse fountain cast ematic, what
am I missing? You know, breeze, anybody who wants to jump on
board, let's do this, because I'm gonna write this article.
But when I submitted that it's out of my can, and they want to
put it in the printed magazine, too. And you can you can see
where I know what they'll do. They go like, Oh, look, MTV,
guys, bring him back this, that's what the pitch will be.
And and people will be interested. And so you want to
have your app ready for that. And so I need to know if people
are interested in putting that into their apps.
Dave Jones: So let, there's two sort of two flavors of that.
There's in your just to be clear, so everybody understands.
There's the there's the post, you publish your episode, after
the fact. There's that version of the value time split thing,
and then there's a live Yes. And there's that version, after the
fact is easy, because you read the you read the XML, right? I
know where to where to flip flop, the live thing is a little
bit more complicated, because as it currently stands in this is
not an official spec yet. You have to connect to a web socket,
right? And so in order to get the signal,
Adam Curry: right, so what I like is that I can bring in lots
but can bring in Wave Lake and bring him dish topia, I can tell
the people like oh, look, look at these places you can go to
put your music up or go to music side project.com do it
independently you don't need and you can manage your own splits.
I mean, this this is the kind of article I want to write so but
right now, as far as I know, it's pod friend and curio
caster.
Dave Jones: Right. And I know it's pot do we know if pod
friends doing the live yet
Adam Curry: no pod friends on doing live yet. But for the
article that doesn't matter. For the article, it'll be you know,
just I mean, people are going to start making shows, but we need
a few more apps to support this. It's my plea. It will be it will
be an interesting way to kick it off, you know, because people
read this stuff. And then people talk about it. And then they
want to do it and where do I put my music and, and then I will
support it with the show. I'll might as well do another show.
But there's always room for more podcasts in the curry household.
You know, and then I'll signal my boys over here who all wanted
to get ready with their podcasts. And they've got an
honestly they have friends who have music, and so they want to
get them in on it. So you know, it'll start rolling. I'm just
trying to coordinate just trying to coordinate a little bit see
if we can get people. Look, I know it's hard. Everyone's got
other stuff to do, and choices to make. But this is a big one.
Dave Jones: I mean, I know Oscar is working on it. Yes, yes. Yep.
And so I mean, we, and I'm sure and I'm sure Mitch will. I mean,
Mitch, he loves to do stuff like this. So I mean, I don't we, I
mean,
Adam Curry: I know that Spencer and all those guys, they're
already doing it. They're doing the doing music shows with malt
and you know, as I said, sovereign feeds, and now has a
music playout system belt built into it, not something that's
functional for the way I do it. But it works so people can start
creating these shows. You see them doing I'm like trying to
get everything all together because the hosting companies
won't support this for a long time just because of the nature
of their business. They have to make important choices like do I
support you tube, you know, so you know, they have important
things to do. But in Alexandre
Dave Jones: Mitch is working on it now, actually.
Adam Curry: Does he say that? Yeah, of
Dave Jones: course. Of course he is. I mean, this this, this what
he does, yeah.
Adam Curry: Cool. I just want to be able to say, you know, are
all the app, all apps supported would be great, but if I can
rattle off four or five, that will be fantastic. And then you
know, then we're gonna get some, we're gonna get some interesting
new programming with music. I can't wait to do a show with
just music. It's gonna be I've been thinking, Should I read,
say resurrected daily source code is called the daily source
code. I have all the jingles.
Dave Jones: I mean, you might as well like Biggie, because you'd
have, you'd have an instant built in audience because a lot
of people still follow that feed and all that. I mean. Yeah. I
mean, I mean, it makes sense to me. You don't have to recreate
you don't have to recreate a whole new, you know, framework.
Daily, so do so in daily source code at one point. At one point,
you weren't doing podsafe music on dailies source codes. Yes, I
was.
Adam Curry: sysadmins ensuring five nines uptime? 21st century
of radio stars on noise industry.
That's kind of what it would sound like.
Dave Jones: Yeah, like, gang. So
Adam Curry: that that's the idea. I'm into it. I'm ready.
I'm ready. All right. That's my plea. That's all I got. Surely
you have something on your list we need to discuss before we
thank people.
Dave Jones: I had a call with the medical with a guy from the
Center for Democracy and Technology yesterday.
Adam Curry: Oh, yeah. And they seem kind of it seemed like a
kind of an elitist drinking club. But probably the heart the
hearts in the right place, or did I get that wrong?
Dave Jones: I don't know if they're elitist. And I don't
know if they're gonna drink.
Adam Curry: I just looked at the board. I'm like, Okay.
Dave Jones: I didn't even look at the board. I don't know. I
mean, I'm assuming this is a Washington think tank that's
like to me Yeah, pretty much. Yeah. Yeah. So my understanding
is they're going to produce a study, or maybe it's called a
policy paper. I'm not sure. Exactly. But they wanted to
interview, they want to interview me about the pocket
stupido project, the index in this in the context of how does
open source innovation compete against big tech? So it was a
very, it was an interesting thing. Of course, I want to re
I'm game to riff on that all day.
Adam Curry: You say it's because of the value for value that it
all works?
Dave Jones: Oh, yeah, through value for value all over the
place.
Adam Curry: splattered value all over the place. Nice.
Dave Jones: So we went over the, you know, the namespace now?
Yeah. He asked me said what, you know, what are some apps? What
are your What are your what are the apps that most represent
what you think, you know, the project stands for, and what
you're after, and all this kind of thing. So as like, in give me
some examples of shows that we, you know, we can look at. And so
I sent him lists of, you know, of all the apps and shows and
that I think are good, you know, representative of everything. We
talked, we talked for about 45 minutes, it was good, this good
talk. So he said, he said we're they're gonna read it this
study, and they'll send us a copy. I'd like it. And I don't
know what else but that's it. Cool, nice guy. Nice guy.
Adam Curry: Well, I think we have I think the podcast in 2.0
project is an example of open source of the future. And I
think you and I discussed many times, just because of the
split, everybody hasn't had an opportunity to participate in
the value flow. That's what it is, I think. But I'm sure
Spotify has it. Right. You know, they've I think they've, you
know, according to Bloomberg, they've they fixed it all now,
basically, yeah, they're
Dave Jones: there. They're on rails now. Did you see that
Bloomberg
Adam Curry: article? Which one? Spotify takes a sharp turn with
its $1 billion podcast division. No shifting away from exclusives
to capture more ad revenue. How does that even make sense? Sure.
They basically they, I mean, they just got rid of everybody
rolled it all up into something called studios, and then said,
Okay, we're gonna do ads or something.
Dave Jones: This all makes sense to me. Now, I had this sort of
like, I had like, like an epiphany. But I hesitate to
describe it as an epiphany because it sounds kind of hoity
toity.
Adam Curry: Yeah. And sounds like something because that
media and center technology thing to Think Tank. Yeah, they
probably have epiphanies a
Dave Jones: lot. So, the Epiphany, the epiphany that I
had was that Chris Fisher, I think he's right. You know, he
said, The he told us the, you know, the ad market is moving to
YouTube. And I think it's I think he's right Based on some
stuff I saw, and so AdExchanger had this big article on this
company called a million ads. They're going to start serving
hyper local Audio Ads by creating even more of them.
Adam Curry: Yeah, because that'll get the CPM up. Uh huh.
Dave Jones: Yeah, sure. So, they the ad industry in general they
are this is this was the Epiphany, the ad industry b you
know, being whatever I be you know, as let's just call it
let's just call it the podcast industrial complex. The the IB
the podcast Academy, these bro these roll up to show brokers
award shows, award shows, yes. award shows. All of the
everybody that collectively created makes up the podcast
industrial called the rankers? Yes, yes. Rancors. Yes.
Adam Curry: The people who call us Indies.
Dave Jones: Yes, yeah. That the debt, the podcast industrial
complex, is not podcasting. It's not what you think it is. Chris
said that all the ad market is moving to YouTube. And it also
dawned on me that that's why they are so insistent about
calling YouTube podcasts?
Adam Curry: Because that's because they need to get the
money. And if they're not a podcast, yeah, that's possible.
Dave Jones: They need the money. And no, it's 100% true, because
they have they they based on this or when I read this
article, this was the whole pitch for this podcast
advertising company, that they were going to use AI to create
hyperlocal ads, get this based on things like location, the
weather, where you're at your, your current, where you're at,
whether you're driving, all the these are all things that you
can't get through open podcast apps. None of this where you can
only get this through YouTube, Spotify, Amazon through all the
closed source systems. But they're calling it a podcast
advertising solution. No. Okay. And this is all so the only way
you can get this data is through the closed source like a YouTube
or a Spotify you can get and then they say well, you know, if
we don't have all the data we can at least know things like
location and that kind of thing. That's for the that's for the
also ran podcast, I'll open podcast apps, and that's still
based on IP address.
Adam Curry: Well, isn't by the way you said 100%
Dave Jones: What I meant was completely
Adam Curry: okay, I no longer do the horn I just play this 100
frickin
Dave Jones: percent let's see.
Adam Curry: Effectively, yes, copper. So, so, but Spotify is
now using the Spotify pixel or whatever it's called
Dave Jones: IP address. So
Adam Curry: IP addresses okay, that but I'm still not
completely convinced that the money's going to YouTube. I
think it's going to tick tock I think this may be YouTube's play
a part of their play against tick tock, like, we're
different. The podcasts are with us. But all I know is that
people who are advertising on YouTube are spending a lot more
money on tick tock right now.
Dave Jones: The digital advertising market. Yeah. Like
the the IB based stuff. Yeah. They are so screwed, that they
have tied themselves to these IP to IP address brokers. Yeah, IP
address data brokers to such an extent as soon as that thing
dries up. I mean, like they they as soon as Apple you think Apple
getting, you know, the Apple Dimas thing was was hard. Once
they turn on private relay, yeah, instead of securing IP
address data, these guys are out.
Adam Curry: I can predict what Spotify is move will be because,
you know, I built one of these networks. I've tried I failed, I
spent a lot of other people's money granted not a billion. And
it's always the same. So the next move for Spotify when
whatever they're doing now, which is I guess, Spotify for
podcasters. Okay. They will have a Spotify podcast radio station
and or a Spotify podcast television station. And you'll
just be able to turn it on you'll be able to see it 24
hours a day it's gonna be great you watch you want it's gonna be
that stupid. I know because I've done the same thing. This is the
stupidity that will come because now they're just trying to
please investors. The investors are saying, Hey, you spent
that's why Bloomberg highlights a billion dollars. Hey, billion
dollars on this stuff. What are you going to do? Well, we're not
going to renew a lot of people. Okay, well, that's a start, boom
stock actually goes up, we're going to fire 200 People boom,
stock goes up. Good. That's all that matters now.
Dave Jones: Is it? Do you think it's going to be some sort of
like, like YouTube, like, experience that they're going to
try to launch? Is that what you're predicting?
Adam Curry: It'll be, it'll be stupid. It'll be like, it'll be,
yeah, it'll be a 24 hour day something and you'll be able to
switch channels. And oh, this is the talk channel. And this is
the, you know, the true crime channel, you watch, it's in the
cards is what always happens. And that will, of course, will
fail as well. None of this works, the only way forward is
value for value, people just can't afford all of the
subscriptions, no matter what media it is. People are cutting
cords left and right, they're no longer interested in in the 300
channels that you can get through cable. People are
looking for stuff that they can support and be a part of, or
stuff that they can rip off for free. I think you're seeing more
Plex sharing stuff like that. It's over. It's just over. It
has to be on a per program basis, it has to be on a per
media property basis. And the podcast industrial complex is
still stuck in the either a I have something that I'll be able
to sell, or someone's going to invent quote, unquote, invest in
me or buy in me, so they can then sell my IP. But I don't
hear anybody saying, oh, man, I'm so excited about all this
advertising money I'm gonna get which is up 26% year over year.
It's amazing.
Dave Jones: See that? That's, that's one of the things that
got me thinking in this direction. Because you see, oh,
the pot the advertising for podcasting is up. Yet everybody
you talk to in PA in in actual open podcasting says it's down.
And then you have James on the last pod news or whatever,
saying, I don't understand how these YouTube numbers make any
sense. They keep saying that the numbers die. Do I do numbers,
but I don't see it.
Adam Curry: I do. We've been through this. Let me pull up the
numbers. The way Google works is they have a cost of acquisition.
If I'm amazed, that's a term
Dave Jones: that like a customer acquisition cost, like a care.
Adam Curry: Yeah, I think it is Google revenue. Think cost of
mainly just cost of acquisition. Let me see which they spend
Google revenue breakdown. See, traffic acquisition. That's what
they call it? Nah. Okay. And they spent what they spend on
traffic acquisition. manually or? Yeah, I think we have it on
looking for it right now.
Dave Jones: Let's get to be a lot neater Oh,
Adam Curry: no, it's billions of dollars Google traffic
acquisition ta see traffic acquisition cost 2020 to $48.95
billion. So it's an arbitrage. So they bring in $48.95 billion
worth of traffic, which is, yeah, know, what they pay out to
people who are sending traffic to them, whether it's search or
otherwise, and then they just make sure that they bring in,
you know, they they mark that up and they bring in 162 billion or
whatever it is. So they're buying the traffic. They're
buying it so they and it's an it's a it's a knob for those
guys. Like dial it up, and then your revenue goes up and dial it
down. Now their gross their margin will change. And they
still have very profitable businesses. And now you know, of
course, he had to spend billions on AI and all this interesting
stuff. But that's that's how it works. And in podcasting, you
know, I guess I hard tried a little bit. Well, you will put
it into a game now. Look like someone's listening to the
podcast in the game. It's all bull. It's all bull.
Dave Jones: Yeah, but the podcast industrial complex,
they'll they'll Pillow Talk whoever they need to. Yes.
Whoever they need to to keep the ad dollars rolling. When
they'll, they'll sell they'll sell you out in a heartbeat.
Adam Curry: That's right. It was actually it was actually kind of
funny to hear. James had a guest host on the kind of like tour
was her name.
Dave Jones: Oh, yeah. The newsletter lady. Yeah.
Adam Curry: Newsletter lady. And so they're talking about the
value for value apps maybe being removed from from from pot.
Actually, I should probably play this. It was hilarious. On a
second. It was it was one of the funniest things I've ever heard
him done. I don't know if he knows that. He did. I can't
Dave Jones: remember her name. I'll bring it squeezes the name
of her newsletter, but I can't Yeah. Oh, Sky Pillsbury. That's
Adam Curry: sky Pillsbury. How
Dave Jones: How did I forget that name is so unique? It's
very it is an interest
Adam Curry: you think that's the stage name was that a real name?
Probably a
Dave Jones: real name I'm gonna go to 16 Hit
Adam Curry: the chapters here where's the chapters? Where the
chapters at more Charlie AI chapter you gotcha Yeah.
Chapters here we go apple to kill value for value okay so
Unknown: Sam edits thing we just got a new SAS stuff those are
all do much the same sort of thing so this potentially means
that those may be whisked off the the Apple App Store as well
which is slightly scary. Some then ads hashtag gaslighting,
hashtag gatekeeper hashtag anti competitive, it's clearly very
upset about this percent of all of the money for recently
enabled PW A's which is a way of using another website as if your
this
Adam Curry: whole bit is all about how Apple might its
chapters Apple to kill value for value.
Unknown: Listen, who knows. But anyway,
yeah, whatever the way forward is, hopefully they will just
this will help them make decisions that are clear for
everyone so that it's not so that no one is confused and, and
sort of at the last minute, you know, finding out this
information and, and with no warning, that's probably part of
what's most frustrating.
Well, yeah, indeed. They've got basically two weeks to get that
payment stuff out of their app. Otherwise, it will be taken out
of the App Store entirely so you can well understand that people
are a little bit upset about that. Definitely. Hey, podcast
advertising works Skype No kidding.
Are you kidding? I
Adam Curry: saw value for value was on the desk door but podcast
advertising works.
Dave Jones: It does is clear clearly. Yes. Yes. It does.
Except Except all the ones that say that it doesn't Yes.
Adam Curry: Or no, it works.
Dave Jones: It works. This probably works when you get it.
Yeah, but what if you don't? Yeah.
Adam Curry: Oh, man, I just thought that was funny. I'm sure
it wasn't intentional, but the way it is strung together. It's
like okay, I get it.
Dave Jones: Yeah, it's like it's like the C span color.
Adam Curry: I want to thank a couple of people who have been
supporting the show as we roll out live and Jason from podcast
guru. Yes. comes in with a nice row of ducks 22,222 from podcast
guru now he has the kind of like the the generic icon here that's
I'm just identifying this as Taliban Yeah. And how we patch I
wonder if that's if he's
Dave Jones: fault. That's my fault. And then and then that's
my phone because
Adam Curry: you don't have an icon for it. Yeah,
Dave Jones: I don't have it in a dynamic way. Yeah, let me let me
give you my game plan. Okay. A game plan it I've got to finish
I've got to build a dashboard for managing the index. Ooh,
yes. You have been waiting for a while started that started I'm
sure you did. I had to put a couple of things in for Oscar he
needed the music medium tag returned and some endpoints had
to do some other things. So I got I gotta do I gotta do the
dashboard. Then I'm going to go back to hell pad and get that
cleaned up with the remote stuff. And I'll put in the icon
for podcast gear and all the stuff in there to clean that up
Adam Curry: and pod fans. They also need an icon pod to pod
fans.
Dave Jones: I'm Hello Pat needs a little love just a little bit.
Adam Curry: I mean I'm loving it every single day I'm loving it
Dave Jones: I'm loving it you need to just get take it out to
dinner every now
Adam Curry: so Jason says so remote item after V four v
streaming is done we can do that. Of course he of course you
can. Thank you Jason. Beautiful yeah beautiful. That's that's
what I need to hear that's gonna that's gonna get things going.
So Macintosh says 2100 SATs from fountain I'll volunteer to at
least coordinate the video casting of no one else is
stepping forward. Especially if it can be done remotely or works
on modest help on site. I can't coordinate with others a
mastodon I can run with a giant machete if I need to. I cannot
run to Amsterdam however Nashville maybe so good
Macintosh guy I presume he's on podcasts index on social if not
let us know your thoughts so cool. Thank you. We're gonna
start coordinating this. Serve US media 11,235 11235 Mini
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GIF looks so slick Yeah, that's that's the animated one. I had
the pleasure of live streaming for two hours last night playing
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music and whilst these lousy it's so cool. What I'd like to
do is use this for the pre stream for BTS which is
Dave Jones: the hands behind the scheme's
Adam Curry: Yes. Then at Showtime have the app episode
live tag with the updated show art and title engage? Yeah, I
think you can do that. Yeah, don't say Well, no, that's what
you do with Yeah, you just switched switch blocks and you
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Adam Curry: this is Mr. Robot? And he has if you go to beef
initiative.com You go to the database. I shall send this to
you right now in the state of Alabama. And you can also put
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Thank you get off those beef milkshakes, man. Thank you.
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Dave Jones: I think it's I think it's El Gato. Yeah, I forgot
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Dave Jones: did they get delisted
Adam Curry: no not the list. I'm just seeing the prices go down
against the US dollar but I mean it's just fun to watch. I mean
not not fun for anybody in particular just like wow look at
all these red numbers everywhere including Bitcoin.
Dave Jones: Oh God a wave. This would be more Miss
Adam Curry: Delgado wave.
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boom, boom. Okay, I see. We have a tiny striper donation from
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time in a long time. Shout out to Chimp Eastside Tony and all
the podcasting 2.0 pioneers. Nice. And Macintosh comes in
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Dave Jones: was in America's head.
Adam Curry: America's hat? I love it. He saw he always keeps
talking about oh, America is on the brink of civil war. Well get
off Twitter. We're really not. When we're a civil war, you'll
know it'll be very different. Noise Yeah,
Dave Jones: you won't have to guess. Yes. Different noise
That's right.
Adam Curry: I'm doing this with 3333 pips smacking hose Okay,
thank you test boosting from the index 22 to 22 from amot then we
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you tested contracts full access plan was split management. No, I
have no but Well, no, they, they're you must because they
they have the Partner API. They can manage splits from
contracts.
Dave Jones: Oh, my man Okay. Yes, I understand what that is.
Now that goes back and reverse because I built the thing for
it. Yeah, okay. Yeah. I'm like I programmed and
Adam Curry: this is Martin Linda's kg by the way Lyceum on
pod fans.fm Today I want to have an overview of the incoming
streaming SATs and booster grams so don't miss to thank
contributors and supporters. I like contracts so I haven't
tested it with a full on partner splits but contracts is
definitely definitely cool if you're using if you're using get
Alvey I don't know if they interface with other lightning
wallets yet or other nodes. And then, let me see where are we
where's home. Goodness gracious. The couple more before we hit
the delimiter here we have tone wrecker Kubrick boosts through
the pod bay door 2001. Got it. pod bay door got it. Got it. Got
it. Borlaug hit us with the 10,000 SATs before even started
strong work, gentlemen. And a we know that we hit the delimiter
so it's your Do we have any Fiat fun coupons? This week? Well,
Dave Jones: we have quite a few. Oh really fun coupons. Yes.
Starting with Ben and Alberto from rss.com The boys over there
they gave us a Pay Pal. Large satchel of Richards 11110 Man,
Adam Curry: one was one was
Dave Jones: $1,111
Unknown: Sakala 20 is blades on him. Paula. Crikey, guys,
Adam Curry: thank you, Adam
Dave Jones: and Dave, we are so grateful for what you do.
rss.com will add the support will add support to even more
podcasting 2.0 features in the next months. Location is next in
line. Thank you, Alberto Ben and the team and rss.com
Adam Curry: Thank you guys Y'all are so kind wow that's That is
amazing. That's some value right there. We must be bringing them
customers left and right Dave
Dave Jones: through one the other day. I did buddy man we
people ask us all the time you know which host should I do? And
my question is always you know, I like Okay, tell me what do you
have? Tell me what your podcast is? Tell me what you what you're
trying to do if you're on
Adam Curry: WordPress he's easy answer PowerPress
Dave Jones: or really simple. And then you have and then if
they say you know where are we got it, you know, we got we
really focus on value for value I usually pitch them over to and
they don't want to self host I usually go blueberry or rss.com
because they have that stuff built in. If it's something that
you know, if it's something else up kick them over to Buzzsprout
there's it's great to have like this array of options where you
can just kind of like slot people in depending on what they
need. Yeah,
Adam Curry: I agree. truly is. That was
Dave Jones: part of our discussion yesterday with this
see
Adam Curry: that democracy technology Think Tank?
Dave Jones: Yes. Think Tank going tech. Yeah. Is he? As I
was telling him I'm like the podcast hosting ecosystem the
hosting companies. Like it's so unique. I don't know. I don't
know that there's any other I can't think of another industry
that has a system like that where you have this these people
that they they compete so ruthlessly against each other.
But they also are come they also have come together in and they
work together like it's such an interesting thing to see. Yeah.
Adam Curry: coopetition cooperate.
Dave Jones: Yeah, that's That's exactly right. I had just added
Ben from our sister calm call me the other night. We had we
talked for about a half hour about some stuff and yeah, it's
just everybody just works. They just want what's big. They they
all understand that. That a rising tide lifts all boats.
Yeah, it's a great thing to see. Speaking of the guys from
blueberry, Todd Oh my goodness. In the gang send us $300
Unknown: Oh, man. Shot Caller 20 his blades only him Paul. Oh,
Adam Curry: it didn't even come to the Apple Store. Thank you
guys
Dave Jones: helping out with that database server upgrade, go
podcasting?
Adam Curry: Yeah. Got a baller boost incoming right here
101010 101,010 Satoshis from Sam Southie Potter fans live
streaming and splits work we broke tonight testing value
times but we'll fix that for next week Hey that's what
running with scissors brother we have all phase six implemented
Do you know a feed we can test for pod ping we have the rule
working check your email for screenshot and we will never
ever be an iOS or Android app PWA all the way go podcasting
Unknown: shot Carla 20 is played on him Paula like
Dave Jones: that. Me too curious. So RSS I mean no agenda
tube all of those feeds have the pod ping tag in them go good. So
those are good test feeds Sam what we we're gonna have to do
is we're gonna have to we're gonna have to not put any more
namespace work in for at least three months so that Sam can
actually ship this product is every time we have a new tag he
started that go and put it in I'm gonna have to we have we got
to stop this we gotta we gotta we gotta let him ship and just
Adam Curry: just to give you an idea of how crazy the stuff is
that we're doing and you know what kind of scissors we're
running with. So Stephen B just says in the in your in the OG
chat not in your wanqi little video chat thing stops he says
the new chat tag which is created by His sovereignty feeds
bro curio caster buddy how's it working again? The show he broke
his own stuff and fix it during the show I love it man. I love
it hilarious that neat
Dave Jones: that's that needs a scissor stab What did the Van
Halen
All right we got some booths we got a 55 555 thrown anonymous
through curio caster Thank you anonymous no note we get another
anonymous 44 444 Wow curio caster no no there now that is
that contains the remote thede Gu ID and remote item.
Adam Curry: Oh nice. Well, we don't know who did it. Who made
it?
Dave Jones: It's anonymous. It came through curio
Adam Curry: Oh cute. Of course curio caster would have that
working Of course.
Dave Jones: This is fun because it says Rassie here and if
people on people that are watching the stream can see it.
It's got the remote feed Gu ID and the remote item Gu ID is the
enclosure URL. So that's late night special.net wp content
halfway to somewhere. That is really rad. Okay, so then
there's another 44 for 44 for the same thing. No, okay, here's
a 65 656 so I need to go I need to go in here and figure out
what our, like 1% of
Adam Curry: that was, it'll be it'll be literally 1% Because 95
I think goes to the artist.
Dave Jones: Yeah. Okay, I'll make those adjustments and this
was a debug to see what I can see
Adam Curry: from this first. Okay, lots of debugging still.
Dave Jones: Yes, yes, yes. schedulers Alright, so we get to
those let's see we get an okay 77 777 from an anonymous The
Cure Katrin
Adam Curry: sorry striper booth
Dave Jones: I'm not used to that one yet. And that's just us
that's not the remote on as you said Go podcasting.
Adam Curry: Yes, go podcast now No, there's
Dave Jones: 77 777 No. Three key questions go podcasting. ADAM
You said Follow us on no agenda social instead of podcast social
sorry about that. Alright, you're out of control what this
driver base
Adam Curry: well it was a striper booze What can I say?
No. And
Dave Jones: it's like Don't blame me blame the blame the
donor anonymous again 7777 This one's got a row. Now this is
interesting. This is comes from curio caster. This one has the
new reply address and reply key and reply value. Wow. So you can
hit reply. Yeah, we could technically boost back to this
person. I
Adam Curry: hope that on helipad because little Reply button that
would be so cool.
Dave Jones: That's part of taking the hell pad out to
dinner that's what's gonna happen
Adam Curry: oh, heli pad let me stroke you. You're gonna love
your new upgrade
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Hello.
Dave Jones: These laughs and is 3333 through fountain says
thanks for allowing us peasants to be a fly On the wall I feel
like I'm back in my corporate days with more fun, of course.
Oh, yes, no
Adam Curry: kidding. No kidding,
Dave Jones: bombshell. John Siebert. Oh 100,000 SATs oh man
Unknown: Sakala 20 is Blaze on am Paula nice
Dave Jones: to pod verse no note,
Adam Curry: thank you john Siebert does highly appreciate
it. Feel
Dave Jones: free to drop a note and it's been 4096 with a 4k
killer boost of cast ematic he says props to the party progress
on pod friend and to Martin's openness to feedback. See John
seabird again with another 100,000 SATs.
Unknown: Followers Sakala 20 is Blaze on am Paula it's going
crazy man.
Dave Jones: It's going nutty around here C. C. G O Jean beans
again with a 4k killer boost. He says Casta Matic for the
conference stuff. Be sure you also post split kit QR codes all
over it too. Yes, for sure. Yeah, sure. Absolutely. No, get
a 2222 from anonymous. Thank you anonymous. Oh, a huge a big
satchel. Richard 11111 came from Putin. I didn't know Putin,
listen to the show.
Adam Curry: Sure. It's not from the Wagner group.
Dave Jones: was pre show pre show nick or whatever. They send
us a boost pod verse. He says great show again. Freaks. Thank
you. Thank you, Putin. Yeah, thanks, Vladimir. Jean diensten
isn't at 649 through cast ematic he says Adam, get yourself a
small ups for your start nine bucks and it'll stay up during
transitions to generate a power.
Adam Curry: Yes. I saw that one come in. Yeah, I'll do that.
That's a good idea. But the problem most of these ups is
they die after a year or two. They just don't work anymore.
The batteries lead lead acid battery, whatever they use in
those. Yeah, I'll look into that. It sent me a boost me link
so I can it's one you think is good. I'll try it.
Dave Jones: Sir Bill 25,000. SAS he says cheers to pot friend.
Yes, sir. Bill. Yes. Thank you. Sir. Doug's in his 10,000 SATs
and he just says boost
Adam Curry: him boo boos.
Dave Jones: Joe W satchel Richard through fountain. No,
no. Thank you, Joe. Karen, for the mere mortals podcast. 2222
says yay, Martin's back, baby. Can you also elaborate on why a
push for both 12 is needed? Actually. What even is it? And
what can it help to do?
Adam Curry: Let's answer it in reverse order. It'll make your
life better. That's it we'll well. Yeah, what what what is?
Go ahead, give them give them? Give me an answer.
Dave Jones: Well, the biggest the biggest push, the biggest
reason to push for Bolt 12 is because it allows for open
invoices. So you can just generate an invoice once. And
that invoice can be used forever. So you can get away
from key sin.
Adam Curry: Yeah, that's the main thing. And that and then it
would work with almost any wallet, correct?
Dave Jones: Yes, that's right. That's a key. Yeah. If it's
because it would be part of the spec at that point. If if it
gets adopted by l&d, which is the holdup? Yeah. And but l&d
has, like 90% market share. So that's, you see where that's
going. So but yeah, both 12 has a lot, it has more than that
involved in it. But that's sort of that's the biggest thing for
what we're doing. Is that the problem with key send is that
you can't get proof of payment. You have to because the because
the secret value that's generated in order as the seed
value that's sent back to the payer, you're not that's not
happening.
Adam Curry: Spray and Pray.
Dave Jones: Yes, exactly. Yeah. You know this, you know that the
payment was received, but you can't prove it. Right. So that's
that's the issue. Can you go through as soon as 3521 says the
pot friend, no note. Let's see. We got 2048 from the Golden
Dragon says V for V rocks. I was wondering though, how can I
implement this for my blog?
Adam Curry: Yeah. Yeah, that's a good one. That's a good
question. Yeah, no one's really figured that out yet. I don't
think
Dave Jones: there is a medium tag for them. You could put a
medium tag of blog because there is.
Adam Curry: Oh, really? Yeah. Yeah. Interesting. I'm going to
try that. See what happens.
Dave Jones: We got a bunch of test booths from Sam Sethi Thank
you, Sam. Appreciate and we got them. They work. From Captain
Egghead a central Richard 111. ones are pod verse he says
boosting with extra 1823 app fee to support issue 1823 The time
value split on pod verse image note that the competition is
getting a split of this boost.
Adam Curry: coopetition folks, not competition cooperation.
Dave Jones: And this sounds like this sounds like a threat is
what this
Adam Curry: little bit. Yes. restaurant name passive
aggressive at least.
Dave Jones: Yeah, let's dress geeks and it's 10,000 SATs is
through pod verse.
Adam Curry: Yeah. Well, I think he's the one who said he could
go to Amsterdam.
Dave Jones: Okay, yeah, he's over there. I think he's in
Siena, Austria.
Adam Curry: It's not quite the same thing, but
Dave Jones: I think he's in Austria. Yeah. I mean, I mean,
he's in the EU is what I mean.
Adam Curry: Yes, yes. You wouldn't need a passport.
Basically, he could fly there just to get a pop on the EasyJet
or the Ryanair or whatever
Dave Jones: let's see I think I hope I pronounce his last name.
Maybe it's a soundscape Okay. May have mispronouncing bases
would absolutely love to help the team do the splits for the
BTC 2023 in Amsterdam,
Adam Curry: G there you go. All right. All right. Well, he's
definitely on the social so we're gonna get this. So we have
people I would say familiarize yourself with sovereign feeds.
That's a good start right there.
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Adam Curry: it's only only Friday.
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triplicate as a comment on issue 270 of the web UI project. But
thank you. The he's he's working to help help get the we call it
non Latin English, non Latin characters working in the
search. That's
Adam Curry: Oh, goodness. Yeah, that's always that sucks. It's
always horrible. Way worse things have to debug. Yeah,
Dave Jones: it's way past time to get that fix. I'm gonna I'm
gonna get that finished. Yeah, I think you already read those.
And so we got the delimiter after blogger 3015 through
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2.0 Also, of course, keeps the the I just had to up the monthly
for the
Dave Jones: mastodon so how much is that? No,
Adam Curry: it's I think it's 70 bucks now. It's not that bad.
It's not that bad. But you know, you reach a certain number of
giblets. I think we have X number of giblets and we have to
go to a bigger a bigger I don't know
Dave Jones: what it is. You've reached 47 Mega giblet. Yeah.
Adam Curry: You got so many giblets going on like okay
everybody. So yeah, all of that all that supported by it and we
love it and and of course, everything that you boost us get
shared with the value block with the app that using it with the
Hey, sovereign feeds with Dred Scott You know we got if we have
a guest to get shared with the guests so we're all about
sharing
Dave Jones: the share it's a sharing economy
Adam Curry: yes there's no winning
Dave Jones: there's no there's the winning
Adam Curry: let me see do I still have that weird said
jingle no winning.
Dave Jones: I mean we do this thing is so scissors that I
opened my email live on a live stream me talking about
terrifying.
Adam Curry: Well do you were you showing your your private Nasir
key again?
Dave Jones: Yeah, I had to delete it out of the thing. Of
course I showed it. I had to literally go into the dev tools
in Chrome in Brave and and delete the element off the page.
Unknown: Oh, there's no winning we don't like to foster a
competitive atmosphere but we laugh a lot. Now everyone hug
and share a secret
Adam Curry: that's kind of our motto. Motto secret All right my
brother thank you so much for all you do I'm looking forward
to the dashboard doesn't have to be this week can be whenever
you're ready.
Dave Jones: Yeah, getting there getting there getting there and
Adam Curry: and people raise your hand at no agenda
social.com I said it again podcast index dot social if you
need if you think you can help out with any of these projects.
And thank you Jason for adding in the value time splits
everyone doing that. I can't wait to do the music show. I'm
very excited about that. Very very excited. Thank you multiple
chat rooms. Thank you everybody. There's no agenda tube chat
room. Thank you at the at the podcast and 2.0 chat room. Man
this is a great group and you're you know what you're also also
pretty just makes me want to be sick. You're also have a good
weekend brother. Alright everybody, we'll see you next
week the board meeting of podcasting 2.0.
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