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in the heart of the Texas Hill Country in an Alabama the man
celebrating 100 years of his 19 incher. Say hello to my friend
on the other end. Ladies and gentlemen, Mr. Dave Jones.
Dave Jones: Do you? Do you refer to the 19 inch rack?
Adam Curry: Yes, yes, this is. What does it Where does your
mind go? You dirty man.
Dave Jones: It went to 19 inch rack? Exactly. Yeah, I read
Adam Curry: that on podcasting. Next auto show it is to the
100th anniversary of the 19 inch rack, which seems like a long
time.
Dave Jones: It seems like a very long time. 1923 What were they
putting in racks in 1923?
Adam Curry: Exactly like, like a mini steam engine? Did you have?
Did you have steam engines when you were a kid? This may be
something on my generation.
Dave Jones: I think this is a little prior to me when I was
growing up. There was a steam engine kit?
Adam Curry: Well no, it's mostly you, you could get a steam
engine and you'd mounted on it, you know, with your dad, of
course you'd mounted on on some wood. And then you can get all
these attachments, you could get a new string up like little
guess what kind of spring based iron belts, some rubber band
belts. And you'd have these little fuel blocks that looked a
bit like sugar cubes not to be mistaken with sugar cubes,
because that would really ruined your coffee. And, and you'd like
those up, you put them in a little little tray underneath it
was of course highly, you know, these days, I don't think you
could sell them. Because you could blow it up if you didn't
have water in the tank. But they were they were really cool. It
was a fun thing to have and habit spin it and then you could
make it your turn on a generator and turn a little light bulb or
something else would spin. Oh, it was good times.
Dave Jones: I mean, like that's back when that's back when lots
of things that you did as a kid could kill you.
Adam Curry: Yeah, a chemistry set. Did you have a chemistry
set?
Dave Jones: I never had a chemistry set, but I had plenty
of other stuff that could kill you. Like do you know that you
know that? Like there's that book was like the Golden Book,
Golden Book of chemistry or something like that? I don't
know there's some famous book from from that, you know from
days gone by where they actually banned the book because they
were afraid that oh kiss explicit about nuclear
Adam Curry: really gonna build a nuclear bomb at home or
something like that.
Dave Jones: I'm sure I'm screwing this story up. But I
mean, there's it was something like this chemistry book got
banned. Because they were like, Nick, this is a little too much
Adam Curry: interesting. No, I had well, the one that really
got me started on my journey was RadioShack 101 project 100
projects and one which I have I still have it by the way, I
still have it with the manual. And so it's this big. I don't
know it's probably like a foot and a half by a foot and it's
made of wood and in it. You had all these components resistors
capacitors a relay? Oh yeah. All this stuff. Yeah, diodes and
transistor, a couple of transistors. And you'd go
through this book from page one and it had three set a kit full
of full of wires of different lengths. You had red, blue,
white, and yellow for I guess in yellow, I think and they're all
different lengths and they would tell you, okay, and had these
little springs springs next like a breadboard. Yeah, there's
little springs next to each component. And so you would look
at the diagram and of course you know, you connect the wires
Okay, the blue wire goes from, you know, the inside of the
diode or the anode or the cathode, I can't remember what
it was. Basically, you'd hook stuff up and you start with
simple things but then you build a photoelectric sensor that
would turn a light on when it got dark and of course,
Dave Jones: you know this is about you're making a bomb is
what your photo electrics timer countdown
Adam Curry: did not have a timer but I did create my first
transmitter with this it had an FM transmitter and you know,
with with one transistor, and you could hook up your head, a
crystal earpiece, which you could also use as a microphone.
And I remember, you know, stringing a bit of wire out
there and then receiving it on the FM radio in the house. And
that's when I learned about antennas. Like hey, if you make
a bigger antenna, you get further Our that was the
beginning of, of Adam's roof walking career.
Dave Jones: Yeah. And that's when they in the couple of weeks
later they came and knocked on your door.
Adam Curry: There was a couple of years later, but yeah, when I
when I got into single sideband Seabees, which are which we'd
have to get from the states that were illegal in the Netherlands
and I had a half a half wavelength, GPA, so it'd be five
and a half meters on the roof. And people would hear me through
their TV. Yeah, that's when people came over and said, Why
do I hear you on my TV? It's actually your TV. That sucks
that never went over? Well, you know, I was like, hey, I can
come over and fix it because then you can put a what do we
put in there? Like maybe some ferrite or something to
Dave Jones: show maybe some ferrites
Adam Curry: Yeah, that was the beginning of my tinkering
broadcasting career. I was 14
Dave Jones: you automatically lose everybody who's younger
than let's just say 30 When you say would like they're lost they
lost me or would like because as soon as you bring wood into the
equation, it's like what
Adam Curry: word what is up with that really? Talking about why
why do I lose him? It would
Dave Jones: I got some nails and some wooden or like, what is
this language? I don't understand what you're saying.
Is this English? I mean, nobody makes any no kids make anything
out of wood anymore.
Adam Curry: Remember, we build we build go karts? Oh, yeah.
Yeah, totally. Yeah, you get some wheels off of something.
Usually off of your sister's, you know, training wheels or
something. And then you put an axle on there. I had a break,
which was literally a hole in the middle between my legs with
an iron pipe. Sticking out pull it back. You're scraping along
the sidewalk
Dave Jones: speed and an iron pipe between your legs. Really
well.
Adam Curry: Oh, man. And these days the kids are getting a damn
scream. They're taking iPad kid.
Dave Jones: Yeah, they just they just go brain dead in front of a
piece of glass all day. It's it's it's a shame. I think we
should bring man yells at Sky. That's
Adam Curry: right. I think we should bring back the we should
bring back the the steam engines that was cool. They have some
there's a steam engine. Like a small museum here in
Fredericksburg. And I drive by it all the time. And I'm always
like, I gotta go visit I just haven't gotten around to it yet.
But basically, they have the large versions of what I had
Steve mentioned was the coolest thing.
Dave Jones: I mean, there's a there's a thrill with things
that can kill you.
Adam Curry: I just point out speed does not kill. A sudden
lack of speed
Dave Jones: is also as new as Newton correctly observed. Yes.
Adam Curry: Steve as the speed does not kill you. Yeah, yeah.
No, we're also safe. Everything's safe. Just say it
was the Golden Book of chemistry according according to Jean
bean. Oh, is that that's the one that came to the Golden Book of
chemistry experiments. That must be that must be I
Dave Jones: think it has something to do with nuclear but
maybe it was just explosives or something like that just add on
Adam Curry: Did somebody say boom
Dave Jones: I love that old stuff a little
Adam Curry: sorry. Well, no that was a there was the isobar
Dave Jones: it can kill you
Adam Curry: just point out speed does not kill ya yeah, I so but
not exactly right okay.
Dave Jones: bra bra some ISIS you did oh whoa
Adam Curry: let's do we have a guest today in the boardroom and
I do I do want to bring him in pretty quickly but let's let's
do because he's one of the very important person to the project.
What are your I do what are your eyes? Oh, so you brought ISIS
for end of show which is good. So let's get them out of the way
now what which one you want to me?
Dave Jones: I feel like I feel like more of the same is kind of
appropriate more or
Adam Curry: the same but faster. Because Claire it's Claire Daly
Dave Jones: It is clear from Ireland. Yeah, and there's you
can play the other one if you want to Don't believe the hype.
Adam Curry: Ooh, I like Don't believe the hype. They're both
Dave Jones: I like Claire day. Yeah, that's or AI clips. You
know this or
Adam Curry: I'd like Claire Daly in general. She's pretty good
man. Me too. For she's she's a real socialist and I'm, I'm
listening to her clip. She's a socialist member of European
Parliament for Ireland. And there's my horrible Irish
accent. Banos because online too.
Dave Jones: Like she's, she's not one of those, like wishy
washy ones that are like, yeah, that's not real socialism. She's
like, Yeah, let's do this. You know, she's
Adam Curry: hardcore socialist. And I'm always like, I really
agree with what she's saying. Like how much of a socialist am
I?
Dave Jones: Well, you me you grew up in the Netherlands. You
can that'd be I mean, there's something in there right?
Adam Curry: I think a social aspect Yeah, to a degree and
have gone nuts there. Now that I think that may have been delayed
a bit, but the idea was for homes under 350,000 euros, you
are not going to be allowed to sell it unless the government
would appoint the person who could buy it in order to get
people who can't bid up the price. The fair chance at buying
a home. Which really, yeah, really, really. It's kind of
Dave Jones: yeah, that's, that's
Adam Curry: very interesting, off the rails. Now, I'm not
quite sure exactly what is going on. But I saw Stephen Bell, who
doesn't know Steven bell of curio caster, ln beats,
sovereign feeds, lamer, Muse house music side project, and he
can also wire your entire house filled electricity can design
that for you? He was going to be demoing the split kits live
today. I saw a post and I'm not quite sure he didn't give me any
instructions. But it says unless something happens at work that
takes precedence tomorrow during the livestream of podcasting 2.0
I'll be demonstrating how the split kid could be used during a
conference I guess he picked up on the on the business idea.
Dave Jones: I always get nervous when people in when people set
stuff up like this because
Adam Curry: even ballet Stephen Bell is running with the
scissors. Let me see. So the split kit lives as a link. And
okay, so this is so this is his his own split kit, which means
he set up this this block has value block himself. Episode 138
Live, it has a boost button. It has our artwork. It has a boost
button, which is not doing anything. It's not doing
anything. Why not? I'm hitting it but it's maybe it's no, I'm
hitting it, but it's not doing anything. hit it harder. Hold
on. I'm hitting it as hard as I can. I'm clicking it, but it's
not doing anything. Well. Maybe he's even in the it may be
something at work. Maybe that's maybe the worst thing possible
happened. He got called. called into work. Okay. Oh, yeah. I've
always a meeting from 1130 to 230. God, oh, no, no, I think
what he was doing is showing how you can set up. Basically he I
think he grabbed the bull by the horns and say, Oh, I'm going to
I'm going to set up this live 2.0 value block. So if you're
doing a conference you can basically hit the boost and
it'll switch blocks depending on who's up on stage.
Dave Jones: Oh, that's okay. Yeah, that's what he's
Adam Curry: coin Amsterdam thing that we're talking about as a
first test, which I think is beautiful.
Dave Jones: So he must be watching his own socket.
Adam Curry: Which is illegal in Amsterdam. Even in Amsterdam.
You cannot watch your own socket.
Dave Jones: Well, he's in Texas. It's not Yeah, yet. Anyway, San
Antonio.
Adam Curry: I think so. Yeah. They do weird stuff in San
Antonio. Cool.
Dave Jones: I like how I like how our guest who's currently in
the lobby is also posting in the chat room. We could have just
like we could just asked him.
Adam Curry: No, no, no, no. Let's leave it this way. That's
too funny. VC do let him sit outside.
Dave Jones: Sweat. Yeah.
Adam Curry: Just Just one thing. I want to talk with you about
Spotify. They have. I mean, they have gotten more promotion for
Spotify podcasts. By getting rid of Meghan Markel. They might
actually hiring her.
Dave Jones: That was the best thing. That's the best thing
they ever did.
Adam Curry: I mean, they chose you. They really don't
understand celebrity. They certainly don't understand this
type of celebrity because the only time Meghan Markel and
Harry are interesting is when they do something stupid as when
they leave a place. Well, I mean, so that will be one but
you know, and it's amazing. How a company what a Spotify worth
it because it's gotta be worth $30 billion. You think market
cap, you know? No, it's got to be less than the market cap of
Spotify. Let me see. Maybe it's 18 billion. I thought it lasts
no 3030 point 77 billion in 30. A company with a $30 billion
market cap. Spend time kicking people after they've parted
ways. I'm telling you, they're gonna get a lawsuit
Dave Jones: from the furlough. Yes, of course,
Adam Curry: which may have been the plan all along. Again, more
promotion for Spotify. But it's slanderous when you part ways
there's usually a clause like Non disparagement clause, it may
not have been in there, I'm not sure. But when you it's not good
form. Now I just find
Dave Jones: I find it hard to believe that the dude that
called them Grifters, I find it hard to believe that he did that
just purely on his own and didn't get in didn't get the go
ahead from from the hunter. No, I
Adam Curry: think I think he did it purely on his own. But I
think he was winging it. Yeah. Oh, yeah. And I think I think
there's huge frustration within Spotify. Because what it's all
about money. It's like, well, you know, and from what I
understand the this Bringer guy. Now he sold us, he sold the
ringer for a guest $200 million. I'm sure he didn't put it all in
his pocket. But he must have done okay, maybe there's an urn
out. Nobody knows, by the way, when any of these deals really
are, you know, Megan Mark was gone from 20 million to 23
million. I don't even believe that. To be honest. I don't
think that we people just Oh Joe Rogan to under million. There
has never been any official number ever. And we don't know
if it was all in stock all at once. If there's performance
metrics, you know, we don't know any of that. And now we have
this, which is not good for Spotify. Well, you know, the
song that was played the most of all time made less than the 12
hours of Marcos is like, oh, okay, apples have meat oranges.
It's weird. It's weird. It makes me like who wants to do business
with Spotify? If they're doing that it's not it's not a public
company type stuff. I don't think I think
Dave Jones: the there was always a what do you call it? He was
always like a they never made good bedfellows. But don't don't
the dawn Ostroff Hollywood strategy Yeah, clearly did not
fit within the pod of Spotify ethos. Like it's a, it's sort of
like two companies that I've seen this in my industry. With a
few really good examples of two companies that merge and own
paper, it looks like a perfect match. But you get in there and
the the culture of one does is like really irritating to the
culture of the other one. Yeah, rolling, they never Yeah, they
never, they never fully integrate. And before you know
it, the thing just falls apart.
Adam Curry: This is I mean, this was so predictable. In fact,
when when I was at Price Waterhouse, interviewed me for
their strategy document. I said, Here's what I learned. When we
did this at pod show. We, you know, we brought in the first
1314 15 shows, which would be our anchor shows now granted was
a lot earlier than was 2006 NBS Dawn and drew Cali, Lewis Maj.
Weinstein, you know, a number of rock'n'roll geek show, and we
helped all them set up their own LLC. So they had their own
company of which we were co owner, and we gave them a
guarantee, monthly amount. And we made sure that they could
leave and they could take, you know, all of their we actually
wound up those who left we let them have all of their LLC back.
But it immediately goes, well, you know, all those guys, did
they get more than us. And then we sent a contract to Keith and
the Girl. Very popular podcasts. And they went look at this a
whole Adam curry trying to own my stuff. And they read the
whole contract on the air and he called me a horrible grifter
literally the same words, except they
Dave Jones: pulled they pulled a Steven Crowder. Yes, except
Adam Curry: I know these guys like record company. Well, yeah,
that's exactly what Spotify still doing today. And it
doesn't work the same is to say I've done roll ups. But I rolled
up 15 companies into one from my own company on ramp and distinct
new ideas. We took it public, very, very hard to do
culturally. We had guys in Denver, who different from the
guys in Atlanta who are way different than the guys in
California, and gals. And it was the only glue that we had
actually was it you know, the IT department make sure everyone
got their email address immediately got a new laptop,
you know, that made people feel good. But when it came down to
the business, yeah, it's different. It's all different
deals. And that's really what the Hollywood model is that the
dawn Ostroff people didn't understand is you get this
animosity, but they got to you know, so I think to me, it
sounded like sour grapes from the ringer dude, who's saying,
Well, you got a $20 million for doing 12 hours worth of work and
here I am sweating my balls off, you know. And this is this is
poison. It's poison. It's poor. isn't for these companies and
it's not good. Although Are you getting a lot of empathy on Ben,
they was pretty funny. So Rogan is not even mentioned anywhere.
They don't even talk about him anymore. Which is,
Dave Jones: I want to dive into this for a second because I
think it, it sort of hit me. So I don't I get a couple of parts
to this here. Number one I, I was, I don't normally listen to
Joe Rogan. He's just not. I'm not a guy who likes interview
shows typically. So it's just not somebody I listen to very
much. But I'll listen to like when your own or specific
people. And so I listened to the RFK interview.
Adam Curry: Yes, I watched that we actually watched that one on
the Spotify app on Roku.
Dave Jones: Oh, okay. All right. I'll worry
Adam Curry: about very television like experience
actually.
Dave Jones: Just general observation. RFQ. A buddy of
mine sent sent me a message and said, Can we please Can Spotify
please fix RF ks voice? And I was like, no, no, no.
Adam Curry: It's an actual affliction. He has your voice
Dave Jones: in I was like, I was like, No, see, this is this is
part of his superpower. Correct? He's, he's difficult to listen
to. So you have to you have to pay very close attention to
understand what he's saying. This is a this is a this is part
of his thing. Yeah, I agree.
Adam Curry: And I've been playing clips of his for years
and years and years. And I've met him. I met him in the
context of ah, it was Kleiner Perkins golf weekend or
something. And he was schlepped along for because it was to
benefit the Special Olympics, which is his grandpa his
grandmother think unit. Yeah. Right, whatever. And he was
involved in that. And so his voice has already kind of liked
that. But what I've noticed is that the more he speaks, the
better it gets. And it's a combo, you start to tune into
him. And his voice gets better.
Dave Jones: Well, that the so I was I was listening to this.
That's just as common as I was listening to this. And, and then
I've got I've got a clip here. It's from that show. And it's I
think it's about three minutes. But I would like he starts
talking about these different mediums that have happened
through the years. And he's saying how he thinks that
podcasting is going to be the political medium of this next
cycle, maybe maybe into the future. Yes.
Unknown: I'm not going to win this by winning the sympathies
of the mainstream media. I really think these podcasts have
the capacity to change politics in this country this year. And
you know, it's interesting, because in 1960, my uncle,
President Kennedy had, you know, realize that this new media
called television, which had never been used in a political
campaign before, it was a media that was very friendly to him
for a variety of reasons. In other words, he was, it was a
media that he was able to master pretty well, that people liked
to see him on it. And it won him the election, which is one of
the narrow narrows election at that time in American history.
And then in 2016, Donald Trump recognized a new technology,
which was Twitter, which are up that he could communicate in
this kind of way that was unique to him, you know, these kinds of
sound bites, very powerful soundbite you know, outrageous
remarks on Twitter that got him these, you know, built him an
audience of very low and everybody thought he was crazy.
But he was able to take that technology and really, you know,
turn it into a and weaponize it politically,
that and the Go ahead, please.
Well, I'm not saying that's the only thing but that he did have
other stuff going for him but but he had a new media, as I'm
what I'm saying. And I think this year, the podcasts are
going to be are going to have the potential to revolutionize
American politics because for the first time, you can end run
the mainstream media I mean, I was talking to somebody about
this the other day that CNN now has a viewership of I think
something like 350,000 people a night. Tucker when he was at Fox
at a at a viewership at the end about 4.5 million so he was 10
times as big as CNN. And you at you know, your your Your top
like McCulloch, I think you were getting almost 40 million or
something, maybe more, I don't know what it is, but you are
then 10 times bigger than Tucker and 100 times bigger than CNN.
And they're, you know, there's a lot of people out there. And
this is, for me, it's a good media, you know, for a variety
of reasons. And I've been able to reach a lot of people, you
know, it's a very, very populous media, it reaches, people are on
the far left and on the far right. And it kind of unifies
them. And those are, you know, the audience that I think I am,
I'm most likely to if I mean, my campaign is about bringing those
two groups together, the left and the right and a populist
movement. And I think podcast may be a formula for doing that.
Adam Curry: I, I've heard him say this elsewhere. I heard him
say this, of course, as well, but I've heard him say it in
other places, he expanded that by saying, you know, he's, Joe
Biden's already announced, he's not going to debate which is
very odd for I'm not going to debate other Democrats for the
nomination of the party, which is, which is really not the way
the system is supposed to work. I mean, it's, I guess you can do
that. And he added to that he didn't think Trump was going to
debate either. Surprised me? Yes, as well. And so I loved
when he said this, the NFL and by the way, I'm very proud that
you and I started on this, you know, to protect and extend
podcasting for the for for all kinds of reasons, but this is
certainly one of them. And for that work, of all the people who
were involved with this project to be recognized as important as
the television of the 60s Is it tickles me I love that. What is
unfortunate and by the way, Rogan not officially a podcast,
let's be honest about it to Spotify exclusive, not actually
a podcast, but okay. I'm not going to choose me, Todd
Cochran. I think he did he like totally just beat up on, on on
rob the other day. Their new artwork was very appropriate for
this artwork was great. So it doesn't really matter. I mean,
if you asked me to podcast as you know my answer, and I'm not
too worried about YouTube and everybody else and fine,
whatever. For me, I'd almost say it's audio now is not even
videos it was. And I think the audio part is even more
important, because that's really where people, a lot of people
listen to Rogan on the Spotify app. The problem you get from
external forces, is people will not even want to listen, because
they've read headlines, and they've been told that Rogan is
a hateful, horrible, mean, low down low life, scumbag dude, who
was anti science, etc. And so they miss out by not even
listening to this podcast. The great thing is, and that I think
is the genius of Kennedy is he's going everywhere. I mean, we
could get him on this. In fact, if we want to get him in this
show, we can get him on the show. That would be a hoot. I'm
sure we could I mean, that's what he's going to do. He seems
to the opposite of his uncle, which was you stand here and all
the cameras broadcast you. Now he has to go out but he can stay
in one place doesn't have to go in person.
Dave Jones: He's doing a carpet bomb strategy on the Yeah.
Adam Curry: And I think it's very, and I think you and I
agree. We like his anti war stance. You know, we're, we're
socialists, like we don't want war. We don't like any of this.
And I think he's, he's, he's hitting some. He's hitting some
buttons. DeVore ag disagrees with Ms. Mayer. But I say I
mean, in the works, also anti war, but I said, I think he's, I
think he's got a strategy here to work with a three ma de ma.
Dave Jones: His message. His message is, I forgot what speech
it was. But he he loved it. He compares his message to Martin
Luther King. And if and in this way, Martin Luther King had the
you know, the speech that got Martin Luther King killed was
his anti war speech was anti his anti Vietnam speech. And in that
speech, Martin Luther King said you can't be continued to kill
millions of people across the globe with your military and
expect it not to have a psychological impact impact on
the people on the citizens yesterday nobody
Adam Curry: called the the wages of war
Dave Jones: Yes, yeah. And you're Brett you when you when
you treat other people like an honor Yeah, enemy like enemies.
You will will eventually teach your own citizenry to look at
every one that way, even each other. Yep. And that that's
exactly the speech and the message that got MLK
assassinated. And he's saying, I'm going to bring that message
here again, because the same thing is happening again, this
we're, we're in the same scenario, nothing has changed.
Yeah, it's corrupted. It's corrupting our people.
Adam Curry: And that's, and that's, there's a difference.
That's not what Trump did. Trump was pro military, not pro war
pro military kept us out of the war. But he was pro military. So
no one was no one was on his asked to kill him. And I think
Bobby Kennedy is doing something very brave here. He's like,
Look, I know, history shows, it's a dangerous position to
take. Bus,
Dave Jones: I read somebody online that was kind of sort of
poking fun at him saying that he was taking precautions and that
kind of thing. I think, I think you're, I think you're alone. If
you think that because if you if if you if you, if any anybody
out, you know, out there, if they've had two family members
assassinated, you better believe you're gonna be scared, doesn't
matter if it was 40 years ago or not? I mean, or, you know, 60
years ago, yeah, you're gonna be afraid that this is kind of foul
play to treat that, like
Adam Curry: it's not big, but those wages of war. And that
speech he did in New Hampshire, I think was spot on like that,
if you're gonna, you do this all the time, like those guys, you
know, the towel heads, the Russians, whatever, Putin, Bob,
then all of a sudden, you're doing it to your neighbor, and
you're doing it in your own home, and it's three to five
people come through, it's come true.
Dave Jones: But this was the part that got did. This is sort
of like what what hit me though, because he talks about, he goes
through that scenario where he talks about the different
audience sizes. And he says, you know, K Take, take CNN
350,000 400,000 people, something roughly like that. Now
compare that to what he say
Adam Curry: soccer, soccer with 4 million, and then with Robo
with 40. On it
Dave Jones: was 40. So let's let's do that. Let's just say
400,000 For CNN, and 40 million, 40 million for Rogan. Now look
at the revenue, excuse me the profit, or just the revenue of
those two things. So you have to you have two mediums here you
have Rogen with a contract of $200 million. Give or take, then
you give or take CNNs latest saw an article a couple weeks ago,
CNN took a hit this year, they had
Adam Curry: only only only $700 million.
Dave Jones: Only $750 million in profit. Yeah, not revenue,
Adam Curry: profit. Well, here's the fun thing.
Dave Jones: So what do the poor, bring on the math there? For $4
million. If you if you I mean, if you do the math, based on
audience size, you're going to end up if add those numbers. If
if CNN loses the cable package deals and has to compete on in
the same playground, as podcast, digital advertising, the numbers
end up they'd be dead, they'd be dead, they'd be dead. I mean,
you're talking you're talking $10 million a year in in profit.
Adam Curry: But that but that's the thing, that model because
CNN didn't make the $700 million from advertising and contrary,
there's only a fraction the money is made on carriage fee.
So they get $1 per household. I'm just it could be more but
it's usually about $1 per household from each share big
cable company. And that's where they make all their money from
and then the advertising is kind of bonus except the number one
Bonanza time for all American advertising is the election year
that's why they start now a year and a half early. Because all
the all the money now is going to be from political ads from
Super PACs, etc. That and it's interesting because that
probably won't that money won't flow over into podcasting. It's
just not it's just not in the cards. It's in a way how it
could Yeah, in a way this will take this may even take money
out of politics to a degree.
Dave Jones: Yeah, that's a good point. Because you have so you
have the big thing you can sort of like word it this way. Right.
Joe Rogan is the biggest let's just for for shits and giggles
here. Let's just call it a podcast. Rogan being the biggest
podcast. The his deal was $200 million. Yeah, CNN as the
smallest cable network.
Adam Curry: It's upside Now maybe was 750 million?
Dave Jones: Yeah. So if you if you just work that out, there's
no you're right. I never thought about it like that. You want to
take politics out of out of the media? Yeah, just give me that.
Yeah. take politics out of the media.
Adam Curry: So take money. Take money out of politics. I'll take
money out of politics. Yes, yeah. Yeah, money and politics,
but it's organic. It's going to happen. It's organic. And, and
people will not fall for you know, the astroturf like, Oh,
this guy's been paid. You know, just to have this guy on people
and fall but they're going for authenticity. Whether you like
him or not Rogan's authentic He's true to his his self. And
you and you won't be able to avoid Bobby Kennedy Jr. Because
he'll pop up on what do you call it? He'll pop up on what's the
comedian?
Dave Jones: Like Theo von or something like that?
Adam Curry: No. Well, he might even be up to Vaughn. But now
the the comedians are left wing guy. Yeah,
Dave Jones: that's Bill Maher
Adam Curry: Bill Maher Bill Maher is gonna be hated when he
has him on because you will you know, he will he doesn't care.
But he might have him on his podcast instead of on the on a
show doesn't matter. And let's just celebrate the fact that
we've made that possible. Because we have with you we are
making this possible and ensuring that it will continue.
Because believe me, if Rogan comes back to RSS he's gonna get
he's gonna get thrown off of stuff. He might not even be able
to come back to Apple. Why would Apple do it Apple get too much
heat.
Dave Jones: Yeah, you'll get a platform for sure. Yeah,
Adam Curry: yeah. So Jimmy Dore is the left wing guy. I'm
thinking, Oh, Jimmy Dore. So why don't we bring in our guest
today who has been a very big part of the podcast, podcast 2.0
project. In fact, I would say he is an unsung hero. Because he
has done so much that is just not Front of House stuff, but is
critically important. Now, you may know him from the transcript
later. But if you look at the podcast, web 2.0 website,
particularly some of the functionality, pod ping Dot
Watch, maintain the pod ping and NPM library, the podcast index
API NPM. Module documentation two, I think. Yep. Ladies and
gentlemen, please welcome to the boardroom, the one and only
Steven crater.
Dave Jones: Hello. You make an entry. I
Adam Curry: love that entrance, man. Way to go. Hello,
everybody. Steven crater.
Dave Jones: You're a poet. You're a regular Stone Cold
Steve Austin. Stephen would like it. I think I hope you've heard
me say this before. But just the amount of things that you do
that save me time. And is I just want to thank you personally for
that. It's been. It's, it's a huge, huge help to me, just all
the documentation. You know, all the stuff on the website. I
mean, like, it's like, I think it and it just happens that it's
just so valuable. I just want to say thank you.
Steven Crader: You're welcome. I, I appreciate the document,
Kevin, valid and up to date documentation. So if I can be
the one to create it, it works for
Adam Curry: me, which is like the number one thing at every
company, every project, I mean, everything I've ever been
involved in, right down to, of course, developers not
documenting their code, but that's what it is. But
documenting what we're doing is I mean, it makes us professional
I love saying to people either come on in and we got
documentation. Get dogs, we got dogs, baby got dogs. Where are
you coming from? Man? What do you do in real life? Because
obviously, no one can live off of what this is.
Steven Crader: Yeah, I'm a software developer. And a test
group at a company in Oregon. Oh,
Dave Jones: so do you. You said at one point. I thought you said
that you weren't. You weren't full time developer you were
doing so you were doing documentation as part of your
job.
Steven Crader: Don't get that on full time. But I work in the
test group. So we live off the docks. And so you know, okay,
push the developers that create this stuff we tested, have valid
documentation. And so
Dave Jones: what do you say? Are you a JavaScript as your main
gig?
Steven Crader: No, I write in Python, mostly.
Dave Jones: Okay, well,
Steven Crader: how is been learned just mostly through this
project?
Adam Curry: Oh, you've gotten some value back for all that
work. Nice. Yeah.
Dave Jones: That will let you know it is admitted. Just like
just like most of the rest of us, you know, you do JavaScript
because you have to not because you want to. Like, that's so. So
when you do all the React stuff, you just kind of learned that
organically through just kind of having to do it.
Steven Crader: Yeah, just looking to see what we were
already doing and just trying to follow that model or searching
for it. answers. So what I'm trying to do now,
Adam Curry: so tell us how you found out about the project and
how you kind of got involved in it.
Steven Crader: No agenda listener.
Adam Curry: Oh, there we go. Even in Oregon, huh? Yeah. We've
saved some people up there. So okay, so you heard about
podcasting 2.0 from no agenda, and then just decide to check it
out. What was the path?
Steven Crader: Yeah, yeah. So I came over and started listening.
And then when podcasting became a thing, you know, I started
messing around with that, and that's where puffing Dogwatch
came from. And then, you know, you said, like, Corbell URL
before, and then, you know, just keep it up. Just a proof of
concept, kept it as a running bag. And so, yeah, and then, you
know, the, I can't remember if the docs or the website stuff
came before or after, but you know, you know, originally, we
didn't showcase the podcast on the site. And I can't remember
if it was a episode or one of the dev meetings, someone
brought it up. And so then
Adam Curry: dev Matic dev mean, man, you're going back three
years, when we had dev meetings, we remember that beginning we'd
have like a Saturday dev meeting.
Dave Jones: No, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's
Adam Curry: hands everybody in the talk.
Dave Jones: Stephen was like every one of those, you know,
that. So when you when you went in, when you are made the same,
you maintain the two different NPM packages? Is it one for the
index API and one for for pod pain?
Steven Crader: I don't have any NPM packages for package index,
I've provided updates to one from someone else.
Dave Jones: Maybe that's what I'm thinking? Do you have a
JavaScript library for pod ping, though,
Steven Crader: we have in a Git repo, we have a watcher, just
JavaScript watcher library that's just there for an
example, code. And it's based on what puffing Nightwatch is
using, but just in plain JavaScript instead of react,
which is what puffing Dot Watch is using.
Dave Jones: Oh, but piping it with our watches using React.
Yeah. Okay. And this is the React thing I keep bringing up
because I'm fascinated by stuff I don't understand. And like,
it's sort of like this sick fascination that I have out to
watch people build stuff with this thing that I don't be, you
know, ever use or having any experience with? And, like, is
it? Is it the right choice? This gives me a chance to ask you
some stuff. In, in your opinion, is react, is that the right
choice for something like the podcast index website? Or is it
just good enough? Or should we like read engineer this thing?
Or what?
Steven Crader: I'd say it's good enough? I'm not. I mostly don't
do web development. So I haven't looked at a bunch of the
different options that are out there.
Dave Jones: Python stuff is all back end.
Steven Crader: Yeah. It's just you know, it's used to test the
products. There's a bunch of communication interfaces. And so
we're talking USB or serial or stuff to the hardware devices.
Dave Jones: Alex said, Well, you put in Steven on the Hot Box.
Answer answer questions about pipelines and frameworks even go
Adam Curry: what is the I mean, what's the main thing that keeps
you interested in the project? I'm always I always like to know
about that. Because you know, actually, today is probably the
first time you're even really receiving SATs as a split of
anything because you don't really have a split. I don't
think in most in most, you should now I think about it. You
should have a permanent split.
Dave Jones: We've done split for we haven't done it for a while.
Yeah, I
Adam Curry: remember that. Yeah,
Steven Crader: I was on I had a split and an episode that I
wasn't good. So yeah, that was interesting. You know, and then
how did that feel? It was good. Yeah, it was nice to see you
know just had happening and what it looks like you know, since I
don't do app development that you know, would see it normally
I don't have a podcast myself. So that's something right so
normally good to see.
Adam Curry: Okay, can I want to have a quick kind of can I call
a vote here I'd like to make a motion to put Stephen crater
because we don't have enough split can I put Stephen crater
in our in our block here So moved. Second die and approved.
Okay, you're in for good now, Stephen already. But you got 10%
For today, like most of our guests, so we're actually is
probably a top end guest I know. I don't do I could do 10% or 5%.
I can't remember. I don't know. Regardless, regardless
Dave Jones: sauces. There's no way
Adam Curry: there's a lot of sushi. But we really appreciate
what you're doing, man, it really makes us look
professional, it's great to have you in there tell us about
transcript data, because that just came kind of out of the
blue.
Steven Crader: Yeah, I think it was a Mitch ped posted on the
social about someone to try to deal with all the different
format types. And I commented that, you know, it's something I
could look at. And so I started it, and then it went, Okay, you
know, it was my first NPM package that I've published. And
so there's some learning curves there. And then. Yeah, so it
came together fairly easily. Now, it's just supporting it.
And, you know, I hope, you know, it's useful for people that
don't want to deal with parsing all the different file types,
they just send the file data to transcript, or, and it sends
back the JSON blob of all the segments. And then, you know, we
recently added or I recently added support for different ways
of combining segments. So if you're, you know, if it's by
word, you can tell it, you know, I want Yes, I like 64
characters, and yeah, it'll just deal with it, or, you know, or
even if it's not by word, and you can still combine them to
stay under the length. It'll do that.
Dave Jones: Sounds good. Tell me how to tell. Tell me how all
that. Well, why did you write it in JavaScript first, rather than
Python, if that's what you're most comfortable with?
Steven Crader: Since Mitch asked, and all their stuff,
JavaScript, I wrote it in JavaScript. And that's what most
of the web's based applications are using some types of
JavaScript. So it's useful for them.
Dave Jones: Yeah, that we have. That's a kind of a constant
thing. So many people's sort of stack is built on JavaScript.
And you it's like, you can make things work. But it's almost
like it's almost like you have to adapt what you're doing to
like the web stack rather than because because otherwise he had
to spin. Somebody has to spin up a you know, a web server, VM or
something and run this thing or a Docker or something, and then
you got to make an interface for it to get the data out. I don't
know that. Everything ends up like all roads lead back to
JavaScript, unfortunately.
Steven Crader: Yeah, it seems like you know, from my
understanding, a lot of the web is now leading JavaScript,
either on the front end or the back end of some type. And,
yeah, obviously, the bigger the site, and the more they may do
Python back ends or PHP stuff, but JavaScript seems to be super
popular.
Dave Jones: Let me throw let me throw something at both of
y'all. Because I've been working on the been working on the
dashboard. I guess. I've got I've got something for you. I've
got some legit stuff.
Adam Curry: I am ready. I mean, you've been teasing this like,
Oh, I did it. I scuttled it. I did it again. Right and ready.
I'm ready. The genie Genie with it. Go. Oh, here we go.
Dave Jones: Let's see. Go to your Steven, you've got a you've
got an API account, right? Yes.
Adam Curry: You're gonna ask me to log in. Right. Yeah, I don't
think I know
Dave Jones: what that is. Is it's not possible.
Adam Curry: You should have prepped me for this one brother.
Yes. Let me see. The password. Well, did I somebody I mean, I'm
sure but
Dave Jones: Steven, you can go log into this
Adam Curry: may not. This may not be something that I can pop
into that quick. Let me see. Ne Ne Ne Ne Ne Ne. I just got my
bid award. And I've just been using that religiously for about
two three weeks. So thank you, Dave. Yeah, that's secure.
Dave Jones: No, that's not your fastball. No, that's a fee, but
I'm setting you up here. I'm setting you up. Okay. And I have
my screen blank down on the stream.
Adam Curry: Okay, yeah, I can't do this. I can't do anything
here. You can't log in. No, I don't know where it is, brother.
I know. I know. But you look. I mean, it's on a different
system. Probably. Well, let me give you my password. No, you're
talking. Not that. No, you're talking security. Okay. Yeah,
this
Dave Jones: is the way real security happens. Yeah, okay.
Adam Curry: Hey. It has nothing on us, man.
Dave Jones: All right. Yes, small company security.
Adam Curry: So where do I go? What do you are? Oh, am I going
here? Okay, let me let me go into podcasts. index.or. Hold on
a second API.
API that podcast index.org Oh, wait, I may have guessed right.
I have my own. I have my own.
Dave Jones: Oh, you found?
Adam Curry: I did. Okay, got API keys is where I am now. Yes.
Okay. All right. Let
Dave Jones: me let me. Let me
Adam Curry: delete it from here. That's not a good idea. I'm a
publisher. Alright, log is so sexy.
Dave Jones: Okay, so up, you know, up at the top, you see the
search now?
Adam Curry: Yes, yes, I do. I do. Okay, now, the feed in that
you sent me earlier.
Dave Jones: Alright, so, yeah, just put in that feed URL
Adam Curry: do to do scan, reset, delete. I'm gonna scan it
right now. scan, scan, scan. Nice. This is sexy.
Dave Jones: I mean, don't don't let's not get too carried away.
This is ugliest sin, but one scan
Adam Curry: is green. resetted yellow delete is red that this
is good for me. What's this checkbox next to its number?
Dave Jones: Okay, let me let me copy this and paste it in here.
Adam Curry: You guys in the chat? You want my key? Hold on a
second.
Dave Jones: All right. Yeah. Okay. So do you see how if you
see how it shows up, like, like, shaded orange now? Yes, I do.
Yeah. Okay. That means it's in the queue to be
Adam Curry: polled. Oh, okay. Got it. Okay, so
Dave Jones: if it's if it's just white, like normal, and it's
good, you know? Yeah. Then yeah, you're good has
Adam Curry: a priority minus one. That's right. Yes. So can I
change any of this stuff or No, I can't change any of that.
Dave Jones: Not yet. Yeah, so let me give you the rundown
here. So if you see where it says Puck is as podcast GUID,
and it gives you the GUID Alright, so click on click on
that click on the GUID
Adam Curry: call. Okay, it pops up to identicals
Dave Jones: Yeah. So, this is let me this is a search box. You
can search by term, like phrases you can search by gender feed,
you know, yes, yes. You can search by by freight like like
keywords you can search by Feed URL. You can search by podcast
index ID or podcast Gu ID How about iTunes
Adam Curry: ID because one of these has an iTunes ID and shows
the generators Captivate
Dave Jones: and it's why I love you is because you chose you
asked about the one thing that I did not put in.
Adam Curry: I do this because I love you. But I can see here
that the that the index ID is older, does a lower number than
the one that is below it. Yes. And that is a buzzer that is the
Buzzsprout feed you were all that you gave me. So I'm going
to figure that this Captivate one is the one I need to delete.
Dave Jones: Yeah, so that that's that's no interest you get.
Yeah, cuz it's the fight the 5998786. Yes, that is the one
that's right, because it's got the iTunes ID but here but
here's your secret sauce, the secret sauce number two. And
this is what makes it more this is what makes this thing
complicated. So click on the iTunes ID where it gives you the
number just click on the number
Adam Curry: two, it resolves to feeds Buzzsprout blah, blah,
blah.
Dave Jones: Right? That that when you click on the iTunes ID
it does Apple look up to find what your real Apple thinks that
is.
Adam Curry: Oh, wow. Yes, that's so that's the one you want. But
the boys in India are going to love this.
Dave Jones: This is okay, so this dashboard. These scan,
reset, delete. That only works for you. If you have an admin
account, by the way,
Adam Curry: people in the chat room if you're listening there
is a live video stream where you can watch Dave side of this I
guess
Dave Jones: that's right. Yeah. Yep. Get it on the stream
Adam Curry: as an audio product. This is really lame. It's
terrible. It's horrible.
Dave Jones: But But I wanted to see like I made I made Steven an
admin so he could see this too. Yeah. Because he's he's now the
reluctant web front end developer against his own head
against his will. So What's What's complicated about this,
and this is this is why I chose this example. So we have two
feeds. And this is a common things that happen thing that
happens within the index. Yep. So you get people that bitch
about duplicates in the index all the time. They This is why
it's hard to resolve. Because what we have here is we have two
feeds. One of them has an iTunes ID associated with it pointing
and in the feed URL in the index points to captivate, right?
This, this podcaster, went to iTunes and changed their feed
URL in house directory. Yes. Captivate two Buzzsprout Gotcha.
But there's no redirect. So now what we have is we discovered
organically through pod pain, we discovered there Buzzsprout
feed, we have two feeds now, and to have a conflicting URL. So
what needs to happen here is that the the one, the duplicate,
the 126435683 needs to be deleted, but also the feed URL
for 5998786 needs to be changed to the Buzzsprout feed. So this
is something you can't
Adam Curry: do. You can't resolve through that. Yeah.
Dave Jones: Right. So what you have now with this dashboard is
you have a basic set of tools, you have scan, reset, which
will, which will destroy all the all the metadata, all the
episodes and just reset the thing from scratch,
Adam Curry: reset and reset it to what? Well, it
Dave Jones: blows away everything we know about the
phone, and then sends another poll.
Adam Curry: Okay, now what? Why is there a checkbox next to the
numbers?
Dave Jones: That's in progress? That's so here's, here's the
idea.
Adam Curry: You want to know what to do with this one? I just
delete them both screw this guy.
Dave Jones: 30 seconds you like now? You're
Adam Curry: gone. Delete. Delete. Thanks for this. Dave. I
Dave Jones: love this. That is actually a beautiful way to
solve the problem.
Adam Curry: Yeah, it'll fix itself eventually.
Dave Jones: Okay, all right. Yeah, just let's not do that.
Okay. The nuclear nuclear solution? Yeah. Yeah. Dust off a
nuke it from orbit. That's it? Yeah, so that's what I was going
to ask you about statements. So the, here's my idea, I want you
to I want you to to do sanity check me, okay. But my only the
only way I thought of to handle a situation like this was to put
a couple of checkboxes like where you could say, okay,
these, you could check boxes, both of these, and then have
another button somewhere that says, basically, merge these two
together. And, and then you you can do it in a way, you would
have some sort of way that says, okay, merge these two together,
but this one is the primary, right and what it would, and it
would mark the other one did drop a pointer to the to the
correct one in the index, and then take the, and then do a
resolution on the URL to find out what the correct URL is. And
fix it. Right. I mean, this this sounds super messy, though. I
mean,
Adam Curry: no, no, I can do this. Seriously. I'm all I mean,
I can already just looking at this, I can already solve 95% of
the issues.
Dave Jones: Yeah, but but, but this specific issue, though,
like
Adam Curry: to model a hunting and fishing podcast, who cares,
delete, delete.
Dave Jones: Like, so.
Steven Crader: On ancestry, like when you're building your family
tree, when you find a new record, you can like, associate
the two people. And then like all the different attributes,
you can tell whether I want to keep what I already have or pull
from the new data. That may be interesting.
Dave Jones: Okay, so you're so you're saying the Y could do is
like you could put checkboxes on the duplicates, and then say, I
don't know, do something like resolve duplicates, and then it
presents you with sort of a sub UI that says, which stuff do you
want to keep?
Adam Curry: What can I just interject? It seems to me like
Okay, so what we know is, the one we want to keep is the
64356, a three in the old 15998 Blah, blah, but we want to, we
want to suck the stuff over. Right? Just have an arrow
between the two that said, just suck it this way, suck it that
way. That's just does that make sense? Or is that not a good way
to do it? Just merge it down or merge it up? And then delete
delete the other one?
Dave Jones: Okay, that works. If it as long as it's just two then
there's, we had one the other day it was three
Steven Crader: now. I mean, you could always do it in two steps,
combined two and then
Adam Curry: yesterday, people have no idea what goes into
running this kind of index, do they they have no idea what what
we run into? It is it is and I love the decentralized nature of
podcasting. This is what happens when you centralize it. This is
the stuff that we run into. It's amazing. I want to congratulate
you for putting this together day. This is beautiful. I mean,
I get what's happening, and I understand the issues.
Dave Jones: And what happened was a great one the other day it
was we did have one that had three. One of them was a
Spreaker. When that was old, it was just, it was just a dead
feed that they never deleted. God that killed that one. And
then there was two left. It was two separate Apple IDs, both of
which pointed to the same URL.
Adam Curry: Nice.
Dave Jones: So I'm like, Yeah, dude. I mean, really, you need
to just clean your stuff up. So you know, at that point, it's
like, it results undefined. I don't know.
Adam Curry: I love though, that this bottom one says last
scanned to 20 2306 2313 2542 because that's when I hit the
Scan button.
Dave Jones: Oh, yeah. Yeah, that's right. So cool. So this
is doing now do let's see, what is. Let me look. Let me look,
we're
Adam Curry: doing a podcast so I want to make sure that we know
people love
Dave Jones: this. Oh, this is great. Yes. Great material.
Okay.
Adam Curry: Search for Emmy award winning right here. Okay.
Dave Jones: No agenda. Oh, good. I
Adam Curry: get to blow a whole bunch of people out of the
index.
Dave Jones: Yeah, and now and now. Now click on your podcast.
Do it on 41 504.
Adam Curry: Okay. Oh, that's the items I do. Sorry. Podcast.
Good. Yeah.
Dave Jones: And now look at Oh,
Adam Curry: oh, how does this even happen?
Dave Jones: It because well, the older you get the Opus feed
somebody somebody didn't program it right. But Corinne
Adam Curry: the keeper. I thought we changed that.
Dave Jones: Evidently not. Evidently not.
Steven Crader: Is it the active current indicator or is that an
old
Adam Curry: currently looks like an old Korean the keeper?
Dave Jones: You get to Korean the keepers. Yeah,
Adam Curry: I see it says feed.na shownotes. Ca TK RSS dot
XML one.
Dave Jones: Okay, well, then that's a bad one. You just
delete. Oh, I
Adam Curry: finally get I didn't get to nuke my wife. Did you
really sure. Yes. Boom, dead. Gone. Okay, now let me make and
there is it's still there. I nuked it. Maybe I have to
refresh the search. Baby, it's still there. It didn't Ah, man,
you gave me a boat. You gave me like one of those FBI things
where you you give the guy a detonator and say hey, yeah,
man. Good. Pretend you're gonna blow stuff up and it's empty
button.
Dave Jones: Did you get the cell phone? That doesn't do anything?
Yeah, he's
Adam Curry: still there.
Dave Jones: Did you Did you hit? I'm really really sure. Yeah,
Adam Curry: well, I do again, delete. It says do you want to
mark are the keepers dead? Dead? Dead? Dead. Dead to me. This
will remove the podcast from being listed publicly and we'll
hide it from API resources confirm. Are you really really
sure? Yes. Refresh. It's still there at the bottom.
Dave Jones: Okay, this is this is a book
Adam Curry: that's what I do. This is what I do. DAVE Oh my
let me just there's so but when I search for curry in the
keeper, I get the I get only one result. Okay, so I'm gonna go
back to no agenda. And Oh, interesting. Boy, I click on my
podcast GUID. And yet still there. Okay, so that's a bug but
it's not showing up in the current the keeper search, which
is good. So nice. Okay, so I have Oh, I see what's going on
here. So is a torrent feed, which has the same podcast good.
IPFS podcasting.net, which has the same guid interesting
Dave Jones: Yeah, right. Right.
Adam Curry: Then it has feed.na shownotes feeds.no agenda
assets. No agenda light.glump.net Sexy. That's the
Opus feed. And then the feed.na show notes. So there's a Okay,
there is a real a true duplicate, which is feed.na show
notes and feed.no that's there's a true duplicate it's
Dave Jones: it's I wonder if this is showing dead feeds also
and
Adam Curry: I think I think it is because I could not find the
Korean Zookeeper. So I may be showing dead feeds. That's what
it
Dave Jones: is. Okay, I need to fix it. That's the bug. Okay.
Adam Curry: Can we can we take a little break here and do
something else for the people listening?
Dave Jones: Well, yes, but I think this was important to go
through because we have
Adam Curry: because I found a bug as usual. Yeah, that's why
we do it.
Dave Jones: Yeah, but but we need to enlist other people to
do this. Yeah. Yeah. This Oh, like I want I would like to have
because people have been asking to help. Yeah,
Adam Curry: we can use the help because it's going to be a lot
but it's also dangerous because you may look as oh, let's delete
all these other duplicate no agendas. And that's because the
no agenda torrents which I think actually may be a dead feed, but
IPFS podcasting dotnet let me rescan that sucker, because that
I think that's the correct URL for IPFS. Podcasting for no
agenda. It's not current because last scan 2022 so that you know,
that's an edge case that needs to be looked at. And it
certainly should have a different podcast GUID.
Dave Jones: Yeah. So we have to figure out well, I'm thinking
I'm thinking this is this is the way that this would work is we
would give initially, we would give access to these controls,
to just a couple of people like Cridland has been begging to
help I would, the the people we give, we give curation to wood
are going to have to be people that understand all of the
technical details of how this stuff works. May I
Adam Curry: suggest that we start first just by handling
incoming stuff and get a handle on it that way? Yes, yes, yes.
Yes. Because that yeah, that's where we're gonna find a lot of
these cases. And, you know, I do that triage and I look at it and
go, Okay, I don't know what to do here. I don't want to mess it
up. And then I'll defer to you. And that that will be something
we fix.
Dave Jones: And then I'll send it to Steve and he'll get it
I'll get it I'll fix Yeah, and
Adam Curry: he'll document all right. Now we need to take a
break. And it's time to run with more scissors. Oh, yes, it is.
As you know, we'd like to ask our guests to select a song from
the value for value category, which can be from podcast index,
it can be from nl beats.com It can be from wav like.com
anywhere that it has a value block included. We asked our
guests to do that today and he sent me three choices and I've
selected one I'm going to give everybody a little time to stall
if you're listening live I don't know if pod friend does it live
yet. Otherwise, if you are listening to this on anything
other than curio Kassar pod friend and I think if you have
the latest pod verse, you will be able to support the artists
by streaming your SATs and Oh, and also pod fans. I think pod
fans does it. Do they do it live yet? It wouldn't surprise me sam
se got it probably work in live but I'm not sure I know. I know
it has the value splits working on recorded stuff. So if you
would help us with this scissor exercise to boost the following
artists that'd be great. But what I selected was handle it by
lazy Steven any particular reason you'd like this song? Ah,
Steven Crader: no, I just I was scrolling through wave Lake and
I just random and what found it and sound good so yeah, let's
Adam Curry: get you selected three one of them was really
slow I'm like ah man. After Dave goes through his whole imagine
imagine imagine what you're seeing on the screen. Also, this
is about three minutes so I really liked it has no intro so
I'm gonna give a little scissor to it and everybody please boost
this artists particularly after the fact but if you can do it
live they'll do it live it's handle it from lazy
Unknown: stop gotta find a winner never quit pushing
paddling paddling.
Find a way to keep on hustling never quit pushing through it.
Gotta keep finding stuff that finds a way to keep on hustling.
Never quit pushing through. Gotta keep de novo stuff to find
a way came never quit it
pushing to find a way those novice novice novice novice
cable hustling never quit
never quit
cable hustling never quit. You can have
Adam Curry: glowstick time That's right. glowstick is the
name of it? No. Everyone's saying they're looking at you on
your stream and said you need to glowsticks. Oh,
Dave Jones: she was reading well,
Adam Curry: you should have been bopping around. No, that was
handle it by lazy. It's la EY, apostrophe z. In different
different time. Different kinds of song for the Friday up and
Poppy and tempo like that. Thank you like Steve.
Dave Jones: Alex mentioned he said it's nice to have this
intermission in the show. Like where you get a little break?
Adam Curry: Yeah. Well, that's exactly it's pretty cool. I'm a
professional pronounced Decatur, man. This is exactly what needs
to happen. Cool. This is good. I really, you know, Mitch has got
his got the time. Ah, what was it called again? Time Value
split. That's what it's called. Yes. Yeah. He's got that setup.
So once that's propagated AM, Oscar is not far behind. For a
music show, time.
Dave Jones: I got a call. I got a call with another with another
app developer on Monday, hopefully, to talk about value
time splits in that. So
Adam Curry: who is at an existing app that that is
already in here already?
Dave Jones: I'm always nervous about saying because I don't
want to like all right, but you know, like, reveal that like
Adam Curry: that new that new kids app right? It
Dave Jones: is the kids pod. Yeah, it's kids pod.
Adam Curry: Kids. Some I want to talk to about both you about
that. Because I'm all I think was taught posts on podcasts
index out social project p 92. What the heck is that? Yeah,
that's the meta new twitter twitter competitor, which
apparently project p 92. Is is trying to get together with
Mastodon admins since they will be using either a something
that's compatible with activity pub, or maybe activity pub
itself. You guys heard anything about that?
Dave Jones: Just heard a bunch of Fed of Fed averse, like sis
admins or like sign some sort of thing that they were gonna all
block at the same time. What?
Adam Curry: They're gonna block it really good. Oh, goodness.
Dave Jones: Am I wrong about that? Stephen, did you see that?
Steven Crader: No, I didn't see that.
Adam Curry: They're gonna block it out of principle right off
the bat. They don't even know what it is.
Dave Jones: Let me see if I can say there were it was just like
a it was some sort of like, a pact or something like that.
Yeah. You know how that I mean, this is the same group of people
that blocked no and no agenda social five minutes after it
started. And it's like, it's just
Adam Curry: yeah, but that's rightly so we are a bunch of kk
k Nazi Cardrooms. Full of free speech. Of course speech. Free
speech. Yeah, we have no, we have no business being on the
fediverse.
Dave Jones: Well, Facebook, I mean, it makes sense to block.
It doesn't make any sense to block it says Facebook is the
fourth largest podcast platform.
Adam Curry: That really says a lot about all of these surveys,
doesn't it? I'm so tired of them.
Dave Jones: That it relates. It relates back to I think what I
said last week, or I tried to say maybe I don't think I was
very clear. About. That's why That's why the podcast
industrial complex is going to follow the money. Yeah. And they
will, they will say everything. If they'll say anything as a
podcast, yeah, money,
Adam Curry: they're gonna wind up, they're all gone. I kind of
like it. And this goes back to Todd. And I love his excitement.
I love Todd's vigor, I love his passion. And he, you can bust on
him as much as you want. But, you know, get your own.com He's
absolutely right. And you know, and that's just the truth, you
know, you need to maintain your own identity, you need to have
ownership over it. And I think you're right, the podcast
industrial industrial complex will go where the money is,
there may be money at YouTube. And you know, and everyone's
gonna have to really because, you know, if you don't have a
video, a video product, you're not going to get a lot of play
on YouTube, they're not going to feature you. So get ready to
invest in cameras and makeup, and whatever you need to do to
make it interesting than as like, I'm not so worried about
that. I mean, Spotify is literally before our eyes
proving that they could not monetize the network, they could
not do it. Now they're their big new hire is Trevor Noah. And
apparently, he's not going to be a Spotify exclusive. So we'll
have an RSS feed on all platforms. And, you know, so,
too great. So what if you really become you become a podcast
studio who overpays celebrities, stuff that you probably can't, I
don't know, Trevor Noah may be monetizable. But he's not
completely brand safe and suitable.
Dave Jones: And he's not very funny.
Adam Curry: There's that issue. He rubs a lot of people the
wrong way, which is fine. A lot of people love him. But I just
don't know. I mean, it's good that they're gonna put them on
RSS. And and I think we're really gonna see a split. I
mean, let's let's be very clear about it. It'll take I love no
agenda tube and I think there's a huge future in this, but it's
not going to really be seen as any recorded video competitor
for a long time for live Yes, but I think right away for live
with the install base of of the lit podcast apps. Yeah, I think
that's it's going to be especially with the boost
feature built right in it'll, it'll totally be competitive.
You know, after the fact storage, storage and bandwidth
you know, it's like it's that's why people flocked to rumble and
Brighty on and YouTube and whatever is because stored no
one wants to pay for stuff for video and you know, for if
you're if you're serious about it, if you really care about
what you're doing what you're building, and you know, you
probably just do a podcast. audio podcast.
Dave Jones: 30 packed. That's that's the name of it. They're
doing a 50 pound
Adam Curry: that sounds super gay. 50 Pack 50 pack. I don't
mean it that way. Fetty packed a lot of stuff on the pact which
anti meta maybe have to add to it.
Dave Jones: Pac ti Fe D IP a CT?
Unknown: No, I don't know what
Dave Jones: that is a TLDR. This is evidently from inside. This
evidently from them themselves. It says meta will only federate
with select larger instances. From the beginning. There will
be contracts that provide for financial compensation for the
instance owners. Okay, yeah. And there's a there's an email. It
looks like this all originated from an email from somebody at
meta. Rebecca who read
Adam Curry: Rachel. Rachel, Rachel. Yeah, right. Yeah.
Rachel. Right.
Dave Jones: Oh, did you see that? Did you see? Yeah, that's
Adam Curry: the one I saw.
Dave Jones: Okay. Yeah. Thanks for the email. See, you may have
heard of p 92. I'm reaching out because Instagram is interested
to host a roundtable on June 27. From 1115 With Mastodon server
admins to seek feedback and guidance. This conversation will
be off the record as the team may discuss confidential details
that should not be shared with others.
Adam Curry: So they're going to pay admins. Evidently, they're
Dave Jones: only going to federate with with certain
people and they're going to I'm assuming they're going to pay
they're going to try to compensate these for the traffic
for the traffic because they're going to they're just going to
blitz them with all the federal the Federation is going to just
rock their world. That may be the honestly that may be that
may be one reason to block them not for ideological reasons,
just just
Adam Curry: for the for the traffic in the in the bandwidth,
image storage storage is really a big thing with Macedon storage
space.
Dave Jones: Yeah,
Adam Curry: that's a big one. Okay. Whatever.
Dave Jones: You brought it up.
Adam Curry: I know I thought maybe there was something
exciting, but now I've got something better to talk about.
Okay. Yep, please.
Dave Jones: It's about the dashboard. No, I thought those
would be good to have to have this discussion with Stephen on
the show, because you know, you, Steven, you've been around since
the beginning of this thing. And so I had this, I had a good long
conversation the other day. And, Adam, you've got a heart, you
got a heart out, I do have a harder to let me let me know
when you need to wrap it up. You have
Adam Curry: about six minutes.
Dave Jones: Okay, well,
Adam Curry: we have to do booster.
Dave Jones: So I had this, I had this conversation me and John
Spurlock talked him on the phone, maybe a week or two ago.
And we were talking about whether or not the whole concept
whether or not to include anchor feeds. You know, we've been
round and round about that. And so we had this, this nice long
conversation, talked all about it. pros, cons, you know, and
all that. And so we sort of came to this, this weird ended up
really was this idea he was he was like, Well, you know, what?
We kept? I kept saying, Well, I'm not these are podcasts, a
lot of these things unanchored, they're not really podcasts, you
know, and we've been around this, I don't want to rehash it
again. But he sort of asked this question. He's like, what, what
do you what do you want to be in the index? And, and I realized
that. So it really boils down to this. What I want is for if
somebody searches for a piece of content, let's not even call it
a podcast at this, at this point. When somebody searches
the index for a thing, I want them to be able to find it.
Okay, the best way I know how to explain it. And so what that is,
and the reason I think that that is important is because there's
gonna that, that eliminates an entire all kinds of stuff, if
you say if you say that, because just, we could go out right now.
And we could we could spider the internet. And we could find 10
million RSS feeds that have enclosures in them. But that's
not, but most of them are not going to be what we think of as
a podcast. And I'm trying not to get too technical with this,
because this really does boil down to sort of like the Larry
Flynt, you know, I don't I can't define pornography, but I know
it when I see it. There's a lot of that in this discussion. But
if you boil it down to okay, if somebody searches for it, I want
to have it so they can find it. Well, then you can sort of
reverse engineer that and say, Okay, well, what is what is
that? What does that mean? And I guess I'm talking about what is
a podcast? Not in a technical sense, not in a, it's a, it's a
piece of media in an enclosure in an RSS feed. I know, we all
agree on that. I'm really going one layer above it and saying,
How do I turn that sort of desire that if if someone
searches for it, they can find it? How do I turn that into,
into criteria that I can use to make these sorts of decisions.
And this is this is absent of content, I'm not going to care
about the content. There has to be something where you can sort
of take the philosophy of that idea and convert it into an
answer of something that you can take action on.
Adam Curry: Well, let's go back. If someone doesn't search for
it, then it doesn't belong in the index. Is that what you're
saying? And what Okay, let me go back. I still don't understand
the problem you're trying to solve other than 5 million is
bullcrap. Because a 2 million of them or a million is nothing,
it's test stuff, it's poop. Which just I think, if I may, to
me, it feels a little bit like my wife or their text messages.
Like she has to delete them and clean them out because it
doesn't feel good. Does that does that is that is that off
base just because you know that there's junk in there and makes
you feel unclean. I'm being serious. I'm being serious.
Dave Jones: And I can tell you you're, there's no. Okay. Have
you ever tried to find something on archive.org?
Adam Curry: Yes, it's a horrible experience. It's a horrible
experience. Yes. Okay. So that's what we don't want. I'm in total
agreement.
Dave Jones: Yes. You cannot find anything you sent, you end up
spending four hours digging through stuff, and you still
don't find what you need. Right? The only way you find is by
googling for it. Correct. And hoping for a link back to our
condos. That's what I'm trying to avoid. I'm trying to avoid
clogging up. The index with so much is extraneous.
Adam Curry: Okay, all right.
Dave Jones: How about did he gets buried?
Adam Curry: Now, is there a way to query anchor by the way? Can
you there's no search query from them as there? Yeah, you
Dave Jones: can you search podcast index?
Adam Curry: Well, that seems more like a search. And search,
of course, is massive voodoo, you know, it's very, very
complicated. You can say, well, the concept of search, I don't
find it. Because we've basically degra Gate a whole bunch of
junk. And then well, I'm really looking for, you know, I want to
look under the trash pile. Yeah, that still means you have a lot
of junk in the database. And I have a feeling that just that
unclean because I feel it too. I do is like, our database is
beautiful. I don't want no crap in there. That's just nothing.
It's just test stuff. But the problem is, one man's junk is
another man's treasure.
Dave Jones: But if you have so much junk, you can't find the
junk or the treasure. You know, that's, that's really the issue.
And it like, it isn't
Adam Curry: isn't search one of the hardest things in the world
to do. I mean, isn't that exactly the reason why Google?
Okay, well, it's okay. So Google got there by ranking by inbound
links, you know, so if there's a way I mean, we don't really have
the data. I mean, basically, Google has all the junk, they
still they're still able to surface stuff. And of course,
they have their own their own agenda, what they surface and
why they surface it. But that's like your your Panda, you know,
whatever the latest Google algorithm is that's, it's more
of a search problem than a excluding anchor problem.
Dave Jones: Yeah, I'm kind of moved. Yeah. And I'm kind of
moving beyond the anchor, like, I don't so much care about
Adam Curry: search. And while search is a real problem.
Dave Jones: Yeah. And so I'm thinking here we could we could
bypass this whole we
Adam Curry: have a guy I did we have a guy by the way? Dino?
Dino,
Dave Jones: sir. Oh, he's being a.io. Guy. Right.
Adam Curry: Yeah. So Dino, he has a company and what he does
is he literally goes into companies gets their millions of
documents and crap and whatever and makes them findable.
Dave Jones: Does Dino's company do things for free? Yes.
Adam Curry: He didn't bring a data. Oh, he did it for free?
No. In fact, you know, he, he was about to lose a client.
Because he could not provide transcripts for phone calls.
Like, dude, stop right away. You got to talk to Nathan. Because
he's doing this superfast. transcript.fm Yeah. And so you
got to talk to him. And so they made a connection. He's like, he
hit me back said hey, man, thanks this, this may save a
whole client I was about to lose. So, you know, I think it
would be more than happy to help us figure this out. It's he has
he has skills. Now granted no agenda, which is what is
connected to being a.io. We have the transcripts, we have every
single article, we had the freedom controller basically,
output everything in XML was OPML. No, but he tied into the
image database, no agenda Art Generator. Now he's, he's, he's
connecting with dread for the and hyper capture for the
chapters. So he knows what to do. He knows what, what, what he
needs to get in order to make something and we'll ask him,
well just ask him but what he would do, I'm sure he would be
happy to help us out. Why not? We'll give him a split. Okay.
Dave Jones: Seven splits.
Adam Curry: Next problem. How do we do all these splits in our
value block?
Dave Jones: Mitch is sweating bullets over there every time we
add a new split.
Adam Curry: But cotton gin makes a good point. He says it's not
it's not for free, its value its value. Now. He'll get the value
back for sure. I can say that.
Dave Jones: I mean, our our. We have a way to here's a okay.
This leads into a plea that I have real quick that I would
really implore all of the The podcast hosting companies to as
fast as possible as quickly as possible. Implement the pod roll
tag.
Adam Curry: That would help a lot. There you go. There's,
boom, we were there. That's our signal. Right on. I never
thought I would agree with Cridland on this one. Yes, we
need signal for this for sure. There you go. That's the answer.
Or at least it's what it's an answer. It's one of the answers
we need. And I
Dave Jones: don't even care if it's I don't even care if it's
user curated at the at the moment. I mean, like it's not
even going to be visible in the feed. If they just just start
throwing some pod rolls in there. I don't care what it is.
Just give us some signal about what peep what is popular on
your platform. Yes, we can make sure that when people search for
things they can find it
Adam Curry: great idea. That's the way to go. That's a great
idea. Totally sweet. Wow. Well we solved it Oh, what a great
board meeting I feel so good we've done so much you've
accomplished things
Unknown: we bore everybody to death
Adam Curry: I don't think so. I think people kind of thought
that was compelling especially with my with my delete button.
Dave Jones: You your play by play brought really brought him
into it. Yeah. Now Steven, are
Adam Curry: you still awake?
Steven Crader: If I'm sitting okay.
Adam Curry: So you got to document all this so you know be
ready for when
Dave Jones: you're doing the minutes right
Steven Crader: for meeting transcripts All right.
Dave Jones: Bingo. Let me think we need somebody we that's
that's one thing we need that needs to be part of
transcript.fm or transcript later you can you can convert
yeah that needs to be transcript later. I want to I want to I
want to minutes mode where I can pump in the transcript for the
board meeting it spits out some minutes that we can give to the
to the SEC
Adam Curry: to the SEC yeah
Dave Jones: all right,
Adam Curry: let's thank a couple people people have been boosting
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Dave Jones: That sounds fantastic.
Adam Curry: I'd like a garden leave. Yeah, it's basically this
or money.
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Dave Jones: Oh, can you send that to me? Can you can you post
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Dave Jones: Oh, let
Adam Curry: me check that out.
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Adam Curry: as support your favorite podcast. Okay, there we
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episodes. And then you can see what can you do support the show
with a cup of coffee with a beer with a custom amount? Well,
that's,
Dave Jones: that's this is exactly what this was your
initial idea. Last week, we were talking about possible D
platforming of the for V. Yes, because you throw this into your
funding tag, all of a sudden, it pops up in a web view and you
boom.
Adam Curry: Wow, this is so cool. Oh, I'm gonna just I'm
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Dave Jones: That's all right. Yeah,
Adam Curry: I mean, it's not bad
Dave Jones: but it's but it's a lightning invoice. You could pay
for it. You could pay it any with any app right? I mean,
like,
Adam Curry: I don't know. Let's find out whenever it's telling
me to log in. So let me see a cup of coffee. Supported My name
is brown orca that bakes nothing but since message for the blah,
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you got it. You get a lightning invoice. Holy crap. Yeah, this
is smart. This
Dave Jones: smart glide cast Matic. You could hit the funding
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Adam Curry: My uncle's name is Don Dodge. All right, I just I
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Adam Curry: I did. Oh, it's processing all these different
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Dave Jones: Do we did all the splits is that is the splits.
Adam Curry: Let me see. It says booster grand for podcasting.
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through Yeah.
Dave Jones: Wow. This is sort of like, this is sort of like the
split kit.
Adam Curry: Yeah, I wonder where the splits are being made
because the split don't think the splits are being done in. It
must be like, just like the splits are being done somewhere.
I hope somewhere, I guess. Yeah, they must be because, yeah.
Dave Jones: Amen, man. So we have a fallback didn't really
get the split kit or the conscious.
Adam Curry: This is very cool. This is very cool. Okay. Love
that. Thank you very much. Nice. Now we have CMS son again with
the 1111 need to put some more SATs on this. Yes, you do. See
dubs one on one. A one live item needs a social interact tag, so
boost bot can put its post as replies to it. Oh, now there's
an idea. The live item needs a social interact tag so the boost
bot can put his posts as replies to it. Do we understand that?
Dave Jones: I don't I can't tell you Steven. Can you translate it
Steven Crader: sounds like if there's a mastodon social
lightener. Right. And they'll post the blue spot messages in
cy to it. Yeah. and master them.
Adam Curry: People think this is like a donation segment. This is
actually a strategy session. Yeah, this is the round. This is
what this lightning round. Exactly. Good idea. C Dubs and C
Dubs. We're sending that from the index. CMC sound again 3333
pod verse still crashing on me sometimes but it's working
amazingly well since the last Android update. Absolutely.
That's what happens. Also go podcasting. And then we have let
me see Eric P. P. 33,333. No note another gene been with a
short row of ducks. He told us about the Golden Book of
chemistry. You can find it on the Wikipedia. Pfeiffer with
4444 He says he's in the board room podcast index is where it
came from hard hat with 10101 Thank you very much. And now the
3000 from Martin boosting for the boost boys Thank you Martin
and of boosting for world peace. But 3000 Yes, we should all be
boosting for world peace. Let me see we have we're in our two
hours ago we got a test from Jade centipede that probably is
coming from contracts. Yep. Where they're just making up
names. Beautiful.
Dave Jones: Steven Bay's in the house he's throwing split kit
links oh
Adam Curry: wait a minute. Let me get in on this action split
kit links we might as well do that while we're at it let me
check out and check his a the pod father when all sudden
there's there's my if you look click on that link and his link
I pop up and then I hit the boost. I don't know if it's
doing
Dave Jones: this you know, my father has no agenda. No jet
boost.
Steven Crader: Because you're the current speaker.
Adam Curry: Oh, conference, right. Oh, and it just switched
today. Which to me
Unknown: in my mind,
Dave Jones: cool. How in the world is this? What
Adam Curry: you do, but when I boost Huckle I'm not getting any
money back again. Oh, she did I just get a boost with money just
by saying that. Oh, is that I'm just Okay, stop. You're making
you blow my head up. What is what is this crazy man this is
crazy stuff is
Dave Jones: even What? What? What the hell is
Adam Curry: this like badass man?
Dave Jones: This is sorcery. Yes, this is complete sorcery.
Now, I wonder
Adam Curry: I wonder if it's switch. I mean, it can't be
switching. He has to be doing that right? I mean,
Dave Jones: the bus age creator, Freedom driller maintainer the
index lover of wisdom hates roosters in Miami all true all
true.
Adam Curry: I'm here host of no agenda. Wait.
Dave Jones: had a cameo on Swamp things
Adam Curry: boosting for Swamp Thing. Wow. Okay, everyone's
just blown our minds here with all this stuff that you're
putting together is so beautiful. Okay, so
Dave Jones: this goes through LBC has to be logged into lb to
Adam Curry: I am logged into Aldi I'm not I'm not like the
devil but I don't know if the booths are good Don says
blockchain I'm not getting any I'm not getting a feedback.
Maybe you have to log Oh login now there we go. Oh yeah. Okay,
so log in obviously this is too crazy. Let me see if I can
authorize yes course. All right. Now let me see if I boost. Oh,
not pops up the note. Okay. Blah. And let's send send 1000
set this is this is so cool. And I got confetti. All right. So
that's it. Come through our mind node then I guess I guess I
don't know where it comes through.
Dave Jones: Okay. Okay, thanks Steven for posting that so
that's the exact
Steven Crader: link to the back end the other day
Dave Jones: this is a miss this mess completely missed this post
Adam Curry: well I saw the post but I didn't know was supposed
to do but now we know this is okay. Between contracts and the
split kit we are rockin
Dave Jones: that we this is full fallback territory is what this
is. I mean like,
Adam Curry: but this thing is perfect for the and I don't know
how the splits are set up but this thing is perfect for the
Bitcoin Amsterdam. Oh, yeah, there's four people on the stage
have four pictures.
Dave Jones: But Steve but Steven B, are you are you clicking
something that's changing?
Adam Curry: He must make he must wood. Okay. No, he must be
clicking something.
Dave Jones: I mean, if you're if there's live transcription going
on this flipping this now that'll
Adam Curry: then denied that I'm just gonna I'm gonna quit I'm
just gonna quit. Why don't you take us through the other boosts
that we've received and, and pay pals, if any, and let us know
what's happening.
Dave Jones: I've got to turn off the split kick because it's
gonna be
Adam Curry: crazy. It's so good.
Dave Jones: The alpha waves go. Marco Arment $500
Adam Curry: Now hold on a sec. Oh, wow. Bleh on am Paula. Thank
you, Marco. Thank you. Beautiful Man. That is great. Great
support there really appreciate it.
Dave Jones: Shot him an email this morning about sending some
stuff to him just waiting to hear back. Buzzsprout Tom and
Kevin and the rest of the crew there $500 Bala
Adam Curry: bless blades on Ambala. Thank you. This was 10
Just when we really needed to you know, we got that big
database going. Oh, this is really helping. Thank you so
much.
Dave Jones: The, to answer your question, James Cridland. The
reason I don't spend we don't spend more time on the donations
through PayPal is because nobody ever writes us any notes.
Adam Curry: guess right. Yeah. Right. Yeah. They just they just
don't dump cash. Cash don't know what
Dave Jones: to say. Yes. Thank you. Well, obviously, yeah.
Lindsey Jarrett. Not sure who Lindsey is. But Lindsey he or
she sent $50 and that there is a there this one has a donation
message. Oh, good. The donation message is donation.
Adam Curry: Well done. Yes. Thank you very much.
Dave Jones: Thank you, Lindsay. Appreciate that. Don't know who
you are. But
Adam Curry: we appreciate you appreciate it. Yeah.
Dave Jones: Got a right in the under the wire skin of the teeth
got a new media show donation from Todd for $50. And he's
dead. Todd says go podcasting.
Adam Curry: Okay, thank you very much. Give them a little color
there just because it's fun to play.
Dave Jones: And he just signed this Todd instead of Todd and
Rob So I'm guessing that means they're still mad at each other.
Yeah, I think so. Thanks. So, it's gonna be it's gonna be a
showpiece. It's gonna
Adam Curry: be a while I don't think it'll disappear. Right?
Dave Jones: I'm not sure if it's rial or Riley R y l e Davis sent
us five bucks right under the wire says love the hot index.
Tal
Adam Curry: Thank you very much. I think is Riley. Probably
Riley.
Dave Jones: Riley. Yeah, I think so too. Yeah. That's the That's
That's our that's our Pay Pal. So it gets a boosts let's see
here. Got one
Adam Curry: more booths that came in a couple that came in
late actually. From Mr. Robot 44,444. So he says confirmed the
better half heard Adam needed a refill of some climate change
for propane to keep the show going. Go podcasting. Thank you.
Yeah,
Dave Jones: let's see here. We've got 1100 38 Sasser Stephen
B. No note. Wait. Oh wait. There is no says 1138 is a bell boost.
Dave What's your cat's name? The cat. The cat's name is boss
monster. That's last name. It's a balls daughter named balls.
Mom's not balls. Monster. Boss. B OSS Boss.
Adam Curry: Boss monster I'm sorry.
Dave Jones: Yeah, see? You say boss, but I'm from Alabama. So
I'll say boss.
Adam Curry: When I was in Amsterdam, when I was 19
Bachelor, but I was on TV and you know had my own apartment
and everything. And I had a cat I had I rescued a cat because I
was lonely. And it being Holland I named the cat dickhead.
Because I thought that just kind of funny. You know, no one
really knew what that meant. Certainly not back in the in the
80s. But the cat moved with me to New York and the first month
MTV put me up in the Mayflower Hotel which is no longer there.
Columbus Circle is kind of like a rock and roll hotel but it was
a real night it was in New York hotel. And, and I was going to
MTV during the day. And my wife at the time she had accidentally
let the cat had walked out of the hotel room and was nowhere
to be seen in the hallway. So she went down to the to the bell
the bell station, he said, you know, you know we have the cat
here, but you know, the cat got out and we got to find the cat
because what's the cat's name? You had these bellhops dickhead.
And there's another Adam curry classic story.
Dave Jones: You don't want to go screaming that around New York.
Adam Curry: He lived to be 23 Crazy past 23 And we had to put
him down he wouldn't even go he couldn't walk.
Dave Jones: He refused to die. You're gonna have to kill me.
Yeah,
Adam Curry: it was badass cat very badass cat.
Dave Jones: Eric pp 33 333 So the boost CLI no note. Thank
you, Eric. You're
Adam Curry: EPP Oh grass,
Dave Jones: grass fed beef and 1111 pod verse. calyx OS and pop
OS for the win. Nice. Canoga as soon as 3521 pod friend no note
thank you get a row ducks from Gene bein 2222 to transcript in
the transcripts in pod I don't know what you're trying to say
there gene. But we appreciate it. Yeah, thank you,
Adam Curry: whatever you're saying.
Dave Jones: Gene said another 1000 Sassy sunfab to pod verse
he says testing pod verse for the first time in a good while
it weren't as successful Yep. Gene being at 649 to pod verse
he says the wait transcripts are displayed in pod friend is
really cool. Unfortunately, boosting from iOS doesn't seem
to be working right? So I'm sending this from pod verse
which also has some nice transcript scrolling having all
these choices is awesome. He sent another message for 2048
that 2k Boost he sent How come? How come you don't use Linux for
the studio computer to Adam
Adam Curry: Oh I wish I could the only reason I still use it
it boxy there's two reasons I really like Hindenburg as
recording and editing software that don't make it for Linux. I
know there's other ones and so I could totally replace that but
the M Error List which is a Windows product which I have
completely customized the guy has he's a German developer and
you pay him as he's he has a an actual business radio stations
use this. He has talked about making a Linux version but it's
there's so much going on that he says it it really just isn't
quite appropriate yet or whatever and don't email me
please don't email me your 5000 programs there's nothing like
this that does it. I wish when there is I'll gladly change
Dave Jones: and all he does it doesn't worry you whine why no
Adam Curry: it does not work. It's not underwires not a great
product under wine No
Dave Jones: Don't email me your wine can please please don't.
Hard Hat 10,101 says no no through pod verse. Thank you
Horvat 2222 Fat Odell sin pot through pod versus says go
podcasting
Adam Curry: Yeah, you better believe it go podcast.
Dave Jones: Joel ws in essential Richards 111 ones who found
nieces had an employer issued phone is he had an employer
issued iPhone use it for crossbow practice after be
forced out. Sir Shona the Allegheny Valley aka Sean McCune
sent 10,000 Sasa cast medic says tunes
Adam Curry: nice okay, by the way, I'm just thinking when we
when we talk to Steven b I'll get in touch with when we were
talking I think we're talking to the Bitcoin guys the Bitcoin
magazine guys this week. Yeah, it would be super cool while
we're doing the Zoom call to have the split kit just
switching, rotating rotating. I'm just saying let's talk about
that because that would be a dynamite way to show them what's
going on. You'll have three people then highlighter speaker
and there's all kinds of stuff we can do. But you're successful
tests and there's dickhead the cat just showed up. Oh with a
boost versus a dickhead I don't know if boop dickhead has a
wallet but the kid is getting the boost. On the fly. Nice.
Dave Jones: That's quick. That's quick. Yeah, Alex had a good
idea the other day to create a to write an OBS plugin that
would put the boosts that Burnham into the screen in the
live feed. Oh,
Adam Curry: that'd be fantastic.
Dave Jones: Okay, booster Graham. Gene being again to Kay
says I'll happily boost quality audio anytime, Dave. Thank you.
And he says if you haven't already, you should listen to
some of the stories on dark net diaries. Yes, I do like dark net
diaries. I don't listen all the time. But I do like that
podcast. Row ducks 2022 test boosting from pod friend
everything came through. Oh Martin sent us a row of ducks
through pod for and he says boosting a row of ducks for
science.
Adam Curry: Yes, let's hear it in science
Dave Jones: see we got some tests boost their Shan Shan
refinery Shanti refinery sent us 5000 says to fountain no note
Thank you, Shawn. Mitch D. Get a bunch of DEV boost test from
Mitch Downey. Everything's looking good. Mitch
Adam Curry: seems to be working appropriately. Yep. Kevin Bay
Dave Jones: sent 100,000 SATs. Oh, oops.
Adam Curry: That didn't sound like enough. There we go.
That's the one I liked that one with the explosion. That's my
favorite right there.
Dave Jones: See Kevin this as I'm just a podcast dabbler and
it always amazes me when Dave helps solve issues I create
through my technological ineptitude in 10 thumbs on the
keyboard. In honor of the dedication and service Dave
provides to people like me I've started a personal podcast index
endowment fund by setting aside $1,000 in an interest bearing
account Wow. The monthly interest will go to podcast
index through PayPal I will build this balance slowly and
pledged to donate it to an official fund some should
someone start one oh wow
Adam Curry: what a great idea. Love that. That is so kind of
dominant. When in doubt we got our first week.
Dave Jones: We're in we're well endowed. D thank you so much.
Kevin, Mitch D 10,000. Sets the pod versus boosting the value
time split underclasses a jam
Adam Curry: do nice. See 3333
Dave Jones: from Chad F Hi, Martin. Hi, Martin. Mere Mortals
podcast we do 22 through family says just a little plug here for
the value for value podcast Season Three that I'll be
kicking off next week have finally done my P two O V for V
BTC. Homage on the mere mortals. So have my structure worked out.
I moved it over to blueberry. So hopefully it will be joining the
lit ranks barring any technical mishap. So look out for that.
Yeah, we'll get you hooked up. Very nice. Karen. Let's see 5000
For Oh from Sir Alex gays. Thank you Alex 5000. SAS no note.
Thank you, brother. Anonymous. 10,000 SATs Casta Matic no note
a chat F 3333 says let's go testing VTS on iOS beta in pod
verse.
Adam Curry: Good good. It works for log 10,000
Dave Jones: SATs through pod verse no no from Borlaug and we
got see we got Lyceum sent a central Richard could a booster
gram of 1111 SATs be appropriate as you are dancing around the
maypole. Can you celebrate midsummer Adam and Dave Martin
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Adam Curry: I think it's still a satchel Richards that's that's
just that's stuck. We can't get rid of that. Thank you
Dave Jones: get the delimiter comic strip blog. Yes 30 3015
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Adam Curry: No, don't say that. No, he's not fired. No, don't
look, you're gonna get emails you're gonna get DMS they parted
ways amicably and comics your blogger continues to support the
podcast and 2.0 ecosystem as well as the podcast and we
appreciate that.
Dave Jones: Just messing with your comic strip. How do you
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Dave Jones: appreciate it. Appreciate it. And yes,
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Adam Curry: dudes and dudettes thank you all so much for
supporting podcasts and 2.0 The project is value for value Dave
and I started this three years ago look at all the people who
are providing value, sending value around every value every
piece of digital value that comes in goes into liquidity for
us make sure you hit me up if you need a channel that keeps
the Node running and when and liquidated they're nicely,
nicely liquid. And of course, we're able to pay the bills,
we'd really appreciate that if you'd like to support this
because you got some value from the show or from the project, go
to podcasts index.org down at the bottom two red buttons, one
for your Fiat fund coupons. I'm thinking maybe now we'll replace
the tally coin with either with, or maybe we'll put in the split
kit, and we'll put in the contracts. And this is that
we're doing some amazing things here. The really is it's very,
very fun to see this. And of course, special thanks to our
guests, Steven crater who, who joined us today, Stephen, again,
thank you so much for for all the work you're doing for this
project. And you can expect a continuing split in the value
block. And of course, today should be fun to be watching.
Steven Crader: Thanks for having me. You're welcome.
Adam Curry: A man of so many words. We love me for that. All
right, well, a little bit past my heart out but who cares? This
has been a great show a great board meeting, man. All
companies should be run like this. No profit is perfect. It's
perfect. All right. Love you, brother. All right.
Dave Jones: Let's do it again next week.
Adam Curry: Yeah, let's do that. Chat Room. Thank you very much,
Steven. Thank you very much. And all you boosters out there.
Thank you for listening to podcasting. 2.0 We'll be back
next week right here. See you then.
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