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of curry here in the heart of the Texas Hill Country and an
Alabama demand streaming his life away I'm here to say hello
to my friend on the other end ladies and gentlemen, Mr. Day
You know, it's we're live baby so um, there's, there's no
there's no take backs. There's no do overs we just go with it.
Dave Jones: You're gonna you're gonna go back and edit this edit
it out? No. Of course none. It was that's
Adam Curry: what makes me human. People go Ah, he messed it up.
Oh, he's a human. He's not a robot. Oh, he's
Dave Jones: not AI because I would never do that.
Adam Curry: I would never do that it would never have that
pizzazz and it would never come up with the comparison of us
with Janet Jackson's Rhythm Nation Of course. Whatever.
Dave Jones: Can you can you like expound on this? What was the
what's your what's your meaning there?
Adam Curry: I don't know. I was just why are we Rhythm Nation?
Well I just wanted well we I got two songs today I got two songs
to play and two value blocks and it's been it's been rather
interesting sovereign feeds was on the fritz
Dave Jones: Yes tell me tell me what give me the give me the
rundown The Lowdown oh this back and forth Haven't you? Yeah,
Adam Curry: it was you know I go into set everything up and that
means that I'm gonna get my value time split set so that I
can and I want it to create a fresh value block to put in
there. Yeah, fresh one that from an artist who has who has a
wallet but has not yet been let me just make sure does he have
this wallet? Did I put the wallet in there? Hold on a
second. If I edit this and this is actually interesting. Here we
go. New split there we go. Hold on a second is I'm glad I just
mentioned this
Dave Jones: you set your self regulating
Adam Curry: I really am. What was really easy about it is if
people have a fountain wallet or if they have an lb N lb wallet.
It's so easy to do in in sovereign feeds. Because you
know, there's citizen do that right citizen? Oh, my goodness,
I'm sorry. I'm already Bogan around, because you just
entering the name, you know, the the person's address, you know,
the lb address or fountains address. And you can even hive
even works as well. Which is now Nicole.
Dave Jones: Yeah. Oh, because of the because of the Rube Goldberg
machine. Okay.
Adam Curry: Yeah. That's because of sovereign fees. Exactly.
Sovereign feeds is the Rube Goldberg machine. Yeah. Okay. So
I put in the splits I get I think I did it right. Who knows?
Maybe we're giving all of this out the whole show to someone
else? I don't know, does
Dave Jones: this show this show is maybe the most scissors that
has ever happened because I had a complete breakdown as well.
But I can write but that
Adam Curry: okay. I definitely want it. In fact, as I was
getting this ready, I see the clock counting down. And that
was on Fox News radio this morning. So I you know, I had it
was like I was you on Fox News Radio. Yeah. Brian Brian
Kilmeade. He has a daily radio show. He's kind of the guy who
has the personality, personality of a dishrag guy and everything.
But he's like, he's like the guy you can just put in anywhere
like I would do the morning show. Oh, you do the show. And
you know, he's like one of those universal guys you can put in
anywhere and he has a radio show. And you know, and he
always starts off without G Don't you hate what MTV has
become like?
Dave Jones: We're gonna go there. Well, I
Adam Curry: took it straight from there to music on
podcasting. 2.0 And he was like Homina Homina Homina just just
give do it every promotion, I could get it out of it. And then
I got I got the road caster duo in which is the cute little
small version of the road caster to you. Did
Dave Jones: you order that thing for real?
Adam Curry: Well, I didn't want to. And I looked at it and I
looked at it and I knew it was it wouldn't be coming until July
and then you know, like, or whatever. I couldn't pull the
trigger and then Tina's egging me on. She's like, come on, you
should do it. Because then you're then you have a complete
road set and you don't have to unhook anything and and it's
smaller, it's way definitely smaller. It weighs less and it
you know, you like it. Yeah. And I'm like, and then it pops up.
That is first They'll now all of a sudden, they can deliver it
everywhere. So okay, I pulled the trigger, and it came two
days earlier than expected. And the main thing I wanted to see
is can I take the SD card, which includes all the settings, etc,
for every single show, take it out of the road caster two and
put it into the duo, you know, to transfer all the settings in
one go because you should, it's the same processing, it's just
smaller has two less faders and it has six buttons instead of
eight for the sound pads. And while you can't it doesn't get
the same software that should work. No, actually the only
thing that screws up is the sound pad. So you have to take
the sound pads out because it doesn't know what to do in your
view. Yeah, this the road caster basically has eight times six,
and the duo and the and the Pro two has eight times eight. So
you know it gets all screwed up. So if you miss your export the
show with just the settings works perfectly beautifully. And
so and I was actually taking advantage of the opportunity to
rearrange some of the sound pads and then it's like, oh, yeah,
then I got the Kilmeade show and then of course like oh called
just set everything up in sovereign feet and it's not
working that of course. And typically be very stressed about
that and like we're running with scissors, it's okay. Yeah,
figure it out.
Dave Jones: Are you willing to do now
Adam Curry: No, I'm not No, I'm not okay. I could not figure out
what was going wrong. Why I couldn't build my life value
time split for the for the songs we're going to play. So one has
this has a feed as in the index, and one doesn't have a feed but
the artist does and it's it's borderline illegal what I'm
going to do because he mean well. Scissors baby
Dave Jones: illegal not illegal in the sense of a tetanus
technologically illegal not not legally ill
Adam Curry: no no it's it's technologically legal. It may be
illegal legal is borderline I'll explain it taste it taste
medicine. And hey, citizen has done another fantastic mix for
us. But of course, it's you know, it's a takeoff on an
existing song. So the music you know, now you can do this within
the within the auspices of education there is a you can get
away with fair use. I don't know if streaming SATs to the person
is included under that. Probably not.
Dave Jones: But it is what it is.
Adam Curry: It's your shirt it
Dave Jones: haunts me when I'm a constitutional scholar.
Adam Curry: Yeah, sure you are almost eight minutes my offset.
So I need to set that up. And so it's the first time I've created
a list I guess it's basically the built in Split kit inside of
sovereign feeds. So it just says create value block and then you
can add all the information and then you can add a value split
and I put that in and I think I think it worked. So well. We'll
find out okay. Find out
Dave Jones: this this is on top of my email is down by fast mail
is broken. Ooh. I don't really fully understand what's going on
a lot of things on the internet broke today for really GitHub
went down. Oh, that sucks. Yeah, fast mails down as we go
downward or did nothing is back up now. Yeah, it must be like it
Adam Curry: must have been that that thread about value for
value with real money.
Dave Jones: What's going on? There's but there's a but then
there's another there's like a payroll company that at my day
job today that was down a big one. And like it's like it's
like a whole bunch of stuff it it's weird. I don't know if
there's some sort of like network transit. That's that got
borked or something but But anyways, fast mail still down. I
don't have any access to get the PayPals Oh, no. Yeah, the the
boost in my booster gram conveyance.
Adam Curry: Oh, you you boost the gram or your boost.
Dave Jones: The boost. You had the boost? Slurp. It's just blew
down. It's down. I can't I can't because because the last the
last mile of it is to the to my email. Oh, you know, like, Okay,
well, so but what I did was I pulled and when we
Adam Curry: pulled it out the database straight out of the
data database. Yeah. Did I just do a File Transfer?
Dave Jones: Let me let me static as my desktop. This is
Adam Curry: why I love my email server I've had I've been
running my own email server for man. I want to say almost two
decades. There was a little time there when I used Gmail or some
other core that delivered mail. But I had someone who did a
really bad DDoS on me about 556 years ago. And it was one of
those where it's a service, you pay about $100. And then you
give one email address and it auto subscribes you to 1000s of
news lists, and, you know, this all kinds of stuff and it's
horrific what starts to come in at that point. And
Dave Jones: it's called newsletter bombing or email
bombing. Yeah, it massive
Adam Curry: email bomb and, and then I just handed the whole
thing over to void zero to mark and he runs, perhaps the
tightest mail server in the universe. And you know, it's he
everything the demark the D M. K, is the FSB is the element
Opie's all that. And he's, and he's a Nazi about it, too. He's
like, no, no, no, they're misconfigured. Sorry. They just
cannot send you email. And I'm kind of okay with that. Like,
yeah, it would
Dave Jones: be too as like you say, I mean, at this point in
the lifespan of enough of email, spam, it's like just fix your
email.
Adam Curry: And you can use it and you'd be surprised how many
times Apple's email is misconfigured or broken. We've
seen and we see that more often than not actually like one
server will have the wrong demark settings. I've seen it
happen with Gmail once or twice. But yeah, it's what you got to
do and my email is pretty clean. I have to say at least free from
most spam
Dave Jones: that Okay, let's see I've got I've got the booster
grams, but fast. Yes, mail. I
Adam Curry: mean, they're supposed to be pretty good.
Yeah, they're great. I love
Dave Jones: fast milk eggs that when they go down, understand,
Okay, I got the I got the boost handled. I just I just recovered
the postage, so we're good on boosts. I just don't have access
to the paper.
Adam Curry: What can't you just log into the PayPal alone
pillow?
Dave Jones: Just wanna? Yeah, I guess I could then click
Adam Curry: the Activity tab. Is that a weird thought?
Dave Jones: Yeah. I guess let me
Adam Curry: just thinking, just just a thought. I mean, I don't
know. I mean, I'm just, I'm just a disc jockey.
Dave Jones: Okay, I'm gonna get on a lark. I'm just gonna let
I'm just gonna let it go and see if fast mail fixes themselves by
the time the donation okay.
Adam Curry: And if not, when you log into PayPal desert, and I
have the ability to
Dave Jones: blank mode to blank out my screen. So that so the
rogue you every time I say that I'm lost streaming? You give a
chuckle. Yeah, I know. I know why. Oh, you do you are you is
because you're anticipating the day when this whole thing just
completely blows up. And I regret it. chuckle chuckle is in
here in a few weeks, you're going to do something stupid,
and it's going to end you're gonna really regret live
streaming yourself. No, no,
Adam Curry: no, no, that's not it. It's you want to know the
honest truth? Sure, I feel distracts from. I don't like
video. And so if someone is, is listening as watching the stream
of you, I think that they're not listening as intently as they
could be. And it's important people who are watching that
stream. That's I, you know, I've never understood the idea that
you've got a couple dudes with headphones on and mics and like,
I want people to have a vision of where I'm sitting of what it
looks like, or what it doesn't look like or what pants I have
on or don't have on. Dave.
Dave Jones: I'm fully passed,
Adam Curry: you know, and it just it to me, I'm an audio guy.
It creates more intimacy, and I want to be in people's ears and
I want them to pay I paid attention to what I'm saying and
not be watching. Also, I also have Tourette's and it's weird
to watch. So yeah, well, this is
Dave Jones: interesting. Because we need to test we need to test
the peer tube stuff in the lottery. And we're in. Oh, yeah,
for sure. Alex and airhead are going to be on with us next
Friday. So we're gonna catch up on all the peer tube stuff. But
we need to we need to test this but I'm like, I'm sensitive to
your concerns. And like maybe maybe we should just do some
something. Maybe I should live stream just like my desktop and
not myself.
Adam Curry: It doesn't matter. Look, it's this is all scissor
stuff. It's all good. I'm just I'm an audio nerd. You know,
it's just I've always felt like and I also believe okay, this
kind of goes into what's happening with the podcast
industrial complex. I think we should discuss this. This whole,
by the way, The Lodger the lockdown drawn out battle
between Todd and Rob was beautiful. It was a beautiful
thing to hear. Were they?
Dave Jones: Yes, that was one of my favorite things of the last
moment. I mean, Todd just go nuts.
Adam Curry: Yeah, it was pretty fun. Now is Rob working for a
company that uploads to YouTube? goober uses YouTube? I know he's
doing YouTube videos for this one hundred.tv or something?
What is he? What is he doing?
Dave Jones: It's something YouTube related. Okay, so
Adam Curry: so the whole, the whole it comes down to it is, is
is a show on YouTube? Is that a podcast? Not? Not, you cannot
see what did you just drop
Dave Jones: and disrupt a piece of pad of paper? No, I heard
loads of notes sound okay. I stood on the floor.
Adam Curry: See, I have a whole visual of that. And
unfortunately, do you know that I had a hole? Okay, I gotta step
back for a second. I had a whole different visual of your setup.
Then when I saw it on your stream, the first time when you
were doing the database upgrade. I was disappointed. It didn't
look anything like I thought it. And let me let me
Dave Jones: I was so glad that I disappointed you with my reel.
Adam Curry: And I just had a flashback. My dad told me, I
didn't have a great relationship with my dad. But I remember a
few things he told me and he told me that when he was a kid,
of course, he used to listen to the Lone Ranger radio show. And
his dad took him to the studio in New York City to go see the
Lone Ranger radio show being done live. And he said it was
such a letdown because these actors were ugly, didn't look at
anything like you know, like the Lone Ranger Tonto shirt, and it
was just the whole thing was weird. And it completely ruined
the show for him. And, and I think that holds true. For
anyway, that's just me.
Dave Jones: That's just me saying that. You're saying that
I'm ugly. And didn't say that? For real, real life. Dave
disappoint.
Adam Curry: I know how real life Dave is great. I know what you
look like. That's not the point. It was your whole setup. I had
just a different vision of it. You know,
Dave Jones: what did you What did you think? What was your
theater of the mind? Did you say did you envision me with like,
12 screens in a command center? And
Adam Curry: no, it was more like home built shelves out of naked
wood not painted yet? With some holes. You you, you you drilled
in it for cabling to come up and, and definitely didn't have
a floor? I mean, it's no way now I see ever wood floors like No,
yeah, I imagined you on concrete. You know? I don't
know.
Dave Jones: The the ham shack the ham radio?
Adam Curry: Yeah, exactly, exactly. So I could never I
could never have that beautiful vision again. Any kind of
ruined. So I want to go back to the podcast industrial complex,
who are struggling? And yes, I have been through this loop. I
have been through this loop before. When we started pod
show, podcasting was hot podcasting was the darling
podcasting was doeschate, the future of radio. And then we got
Twitter, Facebook and YouTube. And particularly YouTube was a
big story because it was what $2 billion, whatever, whatever,
they paid those two, there's two Yahoo's for it. And it was gonna
be YouTube, it was video. And podcasting was was neon now went
from, you know, front page to page 13 below the fold, and it
was all YouTube and was going to be great. And it was to
broadcast yourself. And, and we at that point already, already,
were struggling to find a business model. Because, you
know, BMW had already said it was too risky, they were
advertising for a while. And then when someone heard
something on the dawn and drew show or the match, want, you
know, right away, we knew this was not going to work and the
business model we had was coupon codes. So it was basically the
per inquiry stuff, where hey, go to you know, go get a domain at
GoDaddy, Todd Cochran still still has that business model
today. And you know, the basically our hosts were were
the better you word SEO, SEO showing your coupon codes, the
more money you were making, that's basically what it was had
nothing to do with the value or the importance of the show was
really the coupon codes. And that's where I learned a lot
about these companies who will arbitrage and you know, you, you
basically pay them for X amount of traffic that results in X
amount of people using a code and so it was the whole thing
was a scam and the scam exists today. It's what it's what it
is. Is this Can
Dave Jones: I interrupt you? Yeah. So this is something that
I've thought about for you know, often over the years is because
you hear the st you tend to hear the same advertisers on many
different shows. So you have like, like Linode for example,
you know, you can hear you'll hear a Linode add on accidental
tech, and then you'll hear one on coder radio, and then you'll
hear one on one of Leo Laporte network shows and blah, blah,
blah, or I'm just kidding. You know, I don't know all but you
you hear you'll hear him, let's just say in five different
shows. And they all have five different codes. Well, the day
you go to actually sign up and do a limo like which you've got
five possibilities, which one do you use? Right and it's in it
sounds like the one that you use is exactly what you said, which
is the one that you get SEO from when you do a Google search for
Linode code. And it has nothing to do with really the show. It's
just got to do with your awareness of the show. And then
what how much Google juice has
Adam Curry: and if you listen to Joe Rogan's if not a podcast, if
you listen to Joe Rogan's ads on Spotify, it's the same thing,
you know, put in code, Joe, or whatever. It's all the same
thing. Now, there are some brand ads, I don't want to say that
doesn't exist at all. I mean, for instance, I just was
listening to my hate listener of the week pivot with Kara Swisher
the award, the award winning podcast for technology category.
And I heard an ad for Silicon Valley Bank, which was
hilarious. They rag on. Oh, yeah.
Dave Jones: Yeah, they still have they still have ad dollars.
How does that work?
Adam Curry: Well, it's the New York Times and the Vox media
network, you know, so that's a you know, it's Poopoo. It's
like, well, people young people talk about at the cocktail
party. Yeah, we? Yeah. So I was talking to Kara and Scott,
because we advertise on their show. It's all bullshit. The
advertising that is coming in. I mean, yeah, some of it some,
okay. Some of it is real, but a lot of it is just it's low level
stuff, not. And when it went. So we saw this happen in 2007,
eight, probably. And here comes YouTube, here comes Facebook,
and this is the new darling. And everything has to be video. And
so of course, you know, in our infinite wisdom, we all
everything's got to be video that produced everything video,
and you run into the same exact problems only now your expenses
are four times as high. Because you're doing video. And you need
more people typically to do video, and that's not me. You
can do a lot by yourself, but there's just really no, there's
no advantage to it. Now, I think, yeah, there's people
watching YouTube videos. But once you get into that game, you
know if if you want to make money through YouTube, they call
it a podcast, that's fine. Then you you have to play the algo
game, which means you have to upload content every single day
and you got to do all kinds of things. Otherwise you start
getting downright It's a trap. It's a mousetrap and people get
sucked up in it. And everyone's all freaked out like oh you know
Oh, if you don't do video this is the future it's not gonna
work and I hear everyone talking about it. Video yes video. Oh,
Spotify, you can do video there's only a Spotify is video,
YouTube's video though. It believes me, podcasting will
just continue as an audio only medium. I'm not really that
jacked about video. I like I like certain things live makes
sense. And live video will make a lot of sense for some people
and some things but it's different. So you know Moe's
going to do live stuff. He does live YouTube. And it's a very
direct interactive medium with the audience at that moment on
YouTube. They're posting in the chat, they got the super chat to
all of that we're actually going to turn that into podcasting.
And it was worth stealing that from those guys. There's no way
that they can steal the audio only podcasting thing that
everything's in your app, and there's just no way and audio is
it's a whole different animal and it will be around for a
long, long time video is not going to usurp that it's just
not people still have commutes more now than ever than or more
than they had during the lockdown. That's for sure. You
know, audiobooks haven't gone by the wayside. That's the real
competition is audiobooks anyway. So you know there's this
whole of this whole complex is when you debase the money, you
debase everything. And that's what you're seeing before your
very eyes. I don't know about you, but my home homeowners
insurance went up 60%
Dave Jones: Our car our car insurance went up 42%. And so
and I had to actually call and in start and pare it back. I had
to get at a call mom say okay, let's let's raise the
deductible. Yeah, let's you know, in in go through and then
our homeowners went up. Not that not as much as yours, but it
went up a you know, at least 20% So I called them up me and
again, isn't a dog. Yeah. Oh, well, your
Adam Curry: deductible would be 2%. And you'll say $40 a year.
Dave Jones: Yeah. I know. Yeah. So like and this went through
the same. So this this, you know, the YouTube thing. I've
been trying to make this point. And like, I saw this little
blurb I think it may have been in sounds profitable. Magellan
AI is going to include YouTube or maybe they already are
including YouTube stats in their, in their advertising is
going to include YouTube in their advertising reports for
podcasts.
Adam Curry: Yeah, it goes up. It's crazy.
Dave Jones: Yeah. And, and it said it this was in addition to
said they're going to do this just like blah blah blah and
blah blah blah like these other people are these other companies
are already doing this. And so that that exactly. Like it
confirms what I was saying the last couple of weeks where the,
the the podcast consultants, the the the people who make their
money from podcast advertising, they are the ones driving the
narrative, correct that YouTube, is podcasting. Correct. And at
some point, if, if if everything sucks out of YouTube and all the
money, if all the if all the YouTube money then ends up
somewhere else, let's just say tick tock or something or some
other platform? Yes, they will then begin to call that
Adam Curry: podcast. Oh, yeah, tick tock will be podcast and
you can already see that happening, that writing's on the
wall.
Dave Jones: I'm ashamed that it took me so long to understand
why there was quote, unquote, confusion about what is a
podcast, there's no confusion. No, this is this is a this is
purposeful. And it's you know, the the other big issue of this
week whether or not big issue, but the other kind of the
scuttlebutt was, well, the number of unique the number of
unique value for valet, well,
Adam Curry: I'm getting to that you're jumping. Jumping ahead.
No, no, you're jumping ahead of the game here. You're jumping
ahead. This is what's so beautiful. So first of all, you
debase the money and the whole world did this. Everybody
printed up trillions of dollars, that's why you have it. That's
why your steak costs more. That's why your steak isn't
steak. That's why they're selling chicken that isn't just
made out of that's made in a brewery that Yeah, but all
that's coming, all of that is coming. I mean, just walk to the
supermarket. And just look at the colors and look at the
ingredients. And it's sawdust you're eating saw dust and sand
with colors and flavoring and texture. You're not eating real
food. And it's gotten so bad now in America, where the majority
of people are overweight or obese. And now we've got a pill
that literally just sucks the muscle out of you. And it makes
you puke and shit and then and your and your brain goes on not
hungry. Wow, congratulations America. So I'm not hungry but
I've got pancreatic cancer so you know all this stuff is
happening. I guess I wrote cancer but who cares? I'm thin
all this stuff is because of the money debasement is about to get
worse in Europe in October, they're going to launch the
digital euro, the central bank, digital currency, it's really
happening. All these things are really, really happening. So at
the same time, we're seeing so the magic is gone. The magic
from of podcasting that happened on the heels of cereal, and then
the billion dollars that was pumped into the industry created
the podcast industrial complex by Spotify to be more precise
Spotify investors with Joe Rogan with call me daddy with gimlet,
you know, the hundreds of millions of dollars each deal.
That's, let's just let's just call it what it is. Everybody
was looking for one of those deals, everybody. And if you
couldn't get a deal like that you could probably get you
could. You could produce a bipoc podcast or a women's podcast or,
as I hear people say anything but a 50 year old white guy
podcast. I hear this a lot. It's very irritating. Yes. You know,
there was money for that. It was an ESG checkmark box, dei
fulfillment, and the money is now gone. The cheap money now
that interest rates have gone up is gone. So it's so bad now that
Daniel Eck is bailing out he is he's, oh, I'm pulling back. I'm
gonna hand over some responsibility to some other
suckers who are gonna have to do the conference call. He is
pulling his ass out. He's done. And he also failed. He was on
him. He was his big idea to do this his big idea to do the
Hollywood thing which now everybody Oh, yeah, well,
probably wasn't a good idea to Hollywood con that up. Y'all,
we're all in on it. Come on. Of course everybody was all in Oh,
it's gonna be great. Maybe I can get some of that Spotify money.
So it's over. And with that, new episodes are over with that
downloads are down. The number I heard was down 50% from 2019.
Well, of course in in podcasting is it's still interesting.
People still want want to listen to to programming that they
enjoy and to be a part Out of communities that they enjoy. But
everything is down to all this about advertise. It's a lie. The
advertising is not up. It's down. Which means and the
downloads being down is literally because people aren't
putting money into new shows. Well, yeah, no shit Sherlock is
because there is no money left. There's nothing to pay for it at
these outrageous just go listen to get gimlet show what is now
podcast on Spotify studios, they have credits with 15 people on
it. This is no way there's no way that this works. So we have
downloads down ad revenues down. And then and I I understand if
you're coming from an old world thinking, which I'm going to try
and explain again, that when you see value value for value users,
the people sending value for value value back to podcasters.
When that's down? Well, of course, there's less shows
there's less downloads, however, isn't it interesting that the
number of the the amount of value they send is up. Now this
shows you where the world is headed. This is this is a very
important metric. Because value for value is not based on
volume, it is based on interaction, the download, and
the ad insertion is all based on how many people you can trick
into listening or trick into downloading half a megabyte, or
watching two seconds of a video. It's all bull crap. And, and
it's not an interactive, it's a show and here's my show and
listen to this and that homme funny. Oh, we got to make shows
that are more resourceful. Whatever that means, know, what
is happening with value for value. It's a circle. It's a
loop, people get to feed something back, they feel a part
of it. If we have 12 splits in our value block. This is I need
to I need to talk about this more often. But there's people
who who are just doing stuff, contributing for free doing it
because they like it. And then they there they are, you know
they're consistent. And well, then hey, why don't why don't
you? Why don't give you 5% of the person that comes in Dred
Scott, no agenda, all of it goes to the clip custodian, the clip
collector and Jeff Smith for the jingles. I mean, there's the 53%
is left over and that and we send that to the index. That's
the system that is the future of media is, is having your, your,
your community, your audience be a part of what you're doing.
That is if value for value number four value dot info, go
back and reread it. It is not just a streaming payment
mechanism. It is a format it is a philosophy. It is the future
of media that is not based on how many numbers? You know, how
many x do I have? Am I promoting all the right places? Is there
enough discovery and my feature in iTunes? No. The way it works
is you get people who like what you're doing, and can contribute
back in time, talent or treasure. And the beautiful
thing is we made the treasure part, shareable amongst the
entire system, including the app that people use, including the
the system that you use to put it all together, including the
producers that you that you have in there. The artists who do
artwork, this is the future of media. This is what the true
people's media is, and it can be very successful. See this show.
This is not because Adam curry is here. He's not because Adam
and Dave Jones are here. We started from zero. In fact, we
started with negative five because we're two old white
dudes and we're straight. We're not even gay. So we started the
negative 10. But we were serious about what we're doing. And
we're not taking any money from this. But that's not the point
of it. We're building something we're building something with
people you couldn't even afford the if you could even get the
amount of talent that we have on podcast index social together,
you wouldn't be able to afford it and they wouldn't be able to
work together if you made a company this somehow we've this
using the value for value methodology and the thought
pattern and having everybody contribute and and the listeners
of the podcast, including this one. What do we have Dave
12,000 9000 listeners not much. Look at op three that it's
enough to keep it going and for us. You could see it as a hobby.
I mean Yeah, maybe. But I'm very proud of I've had I have I feel
better about this project and anything I've ever done in my
life, including the first round of podcasting. It feels so good
to be sharing it with everybody. That's it, and could we could we
put money in our pocket? Yeah, we could, that would limit the
possible longevity of it. So we want to make sure that if we
fall down or whatever, that you know that it can continue,
that's just our personal choice. And we actually pay taxes on the
money that comes in, we do pay ourselves the amount for taxes,
you know, so whatever our tax, taxable, whatever, we have to
pay in taxes, we take that out, but otherwise, and so, but the
community, the love the brother and sisterhood, the
understanding, the looking out for each other, the laughter,
the you know, picking each other up, when when someone stumbles
and pokes their eye out with some scissors. That's what makes
it beautiful. And you can do that with any community. That's
what podcasting is. Now, if you're always searching for it
to be the next Beyonce or the next, Joe Rogan, know, there's
gonna be five people like that. The five and that's it. And if
you're, if you're in it for that kind of level of success is just
not going to happen. So when I see a conversation on the
GitHub, about what we should do this with dollars, it's like,
wow, this is not possible. It is not possible with dollars.
Otherwise, I mean, what is being proposed? Literally, not GitHub,
GitHub, GitHub, GitHub Fiat discussion, is FTX. You know,
it's like,
Dave Jones: you can't you can't do that do that. You can't do
it. It's regulation. Yeah,
Adam Curry: you literally cannot do that. Well, I don't have to
show my I don't have to do a know your customer for biscuits
at Amazon. Yeah. You couldn't do it. If we could put biscuits
through the line. Yeah, that would work well. So you cannot
do it. This is the first time in history that micro payments have
even been done successfully. With with with anything, I can't
think of another example where micro payments have actually
been used consistently by a large group of users. This is
it.
Dave Jones: And if you run a non KYC exchange to do what that
thing says, You're going to jail,
Adam Curry: you're going to big time you're going to
Dave Jones: Yeah, you can't You're
Adam Curry: not if you're Sam Backman freed, you know,
actually go to jail. He lives near they live near the jail,
and stay with your mommy and daddy. Alright, so that, that is
what we are doing here. Now, besides all the other stuff, you
know, all the namespace of all the great features that have
come out of this, which is phenomenal. It's all because of
the developers and us who stayed in the game because of the value
exchange. And everybody has at least a way to pop into that
into that flow. And yeah, it's not a lot of money. But I mean,
I would do this for I would pay to do this. A lot of people
would pay to do this, but because you have the whole
philosophy of value for value, the whole thing just works.
Well, I
Dave Jones: did I did pay to do it last year, based on my taxes
actually
Adam Curry: paid a little myself to
Dave Jones: me like it was so much. What happened to me in
this is unfortunate is that because the we we the the income
from the index, passed me over a threshold to where everything
changed exactly what happened. Exactly. And so like, I'm like,
No, it was it was like my tax bill was like $5,500 is what I
had to pay. And I'm used to paying zero. Yeah, because I
always sort of calculate that out. And I was like, Oh, crap.
Yeah. So I just only so I was like, Okay, I'm just gonna take
half of this out of the index to pay half of it. And I'm just
going to eat the other $2,500. That's basically what we did. So
I actually did pay last year to do this job. So like, Oh, good.
Adam Curry: I was gonna say, what is happening right now is
that there is a candidate for president, who is literally
saying, I'm going to become president through podcasts. Now.
Yeah, he's on YouTube shows and on Rogen, Spotify and all this
stuff. But the importance is the recognition that podcasting
which because of us, because of this community, will actually be
open and available to all with a value exchange. That's a massive
stuff we're doing here. That's incredible. And so everything
it's all right now all this talk of video and YouTube, it's all
what is it when, when an adult when you shoot an animal and
it's still kind of jerking around, what is that called
rigor
Dave Jones: mortis
Adam Curry: doe Before before, before it actually dies, it's
still, it still is jerking on the ground.
Dave Jones: That's what it is jerky is called jerky because,
Adam Curry: like the podcast industrial complex is just is
dead. And it's just in the last throes of of life breath. And,
and at the same time emerging from that is a system that spans
the globe, we have people from all over the world who are who
are truly invested in making this work and see that vision,
but we can't lose sight of what it is it's a value exchange,
it's not just streaming dollars. Now, the whole concept is the
feedback mechanism, the value of of what a boost means the the
number that is included in a boost. You know, the idea that
at any moment, it is up to you, you don't have to store $5 with
some Yahoo company, you can say, hey, you know what, I'm gonna go
get $100 of Bitcoin, I'm gonna send that to this podcast, you
are in control, no one else is in control. It is it is truly a
unique moment. And it's growing, not shrinking, it's growing.
Dave Jones: If the ETF stuff goes, goes through, which I
think it will, that's going to this is going to get easier, not
harder, it will totally, it'll get easier. And there will be
more recognition, about about what the about how to do this.
This is not this is not going to this is not going to be
difficult, long term. But so I mean, I make a decent living in
my day job. I mean, you know, and even I went through this
past week and cancelled a bunch of subscriptions that I wasn't
using. So I mean, I had like, it was like $80, or something worth
of subscriptions. Every month, there was like a $19 month
subscription to a podcast that I hadn't done. I've just lost
track of I hadn't listened to it a long time. Another one that
was $7 a month. And, and I went through that. And then there was
a string. I had to re cancel Netflix, because we had
reactivated it for something and then then forgot to cancel. Oh,
no. Yeah. So it's like 80 bucks worth of subscriptions to all
these things. And like, you know, it's it's not that it's
not good content. That's the thing. It's not that there's
nothing on there that I would watch. Yes, the subscriptions to
the stuff the pod the podcast subscriptions that are canceled.
And the and the end of the streaming thing. I just don't
have time. And like there's so much that I don't have time for.
And I've got two kids in college 80 bucks makes a difference.
Yes. So that's, that's more important to me than the content
is in the vet. Like, if you look at it. If you look at the graph,
and I'm looking at it right now, the the value from there's this
a couple of things to keep in mind. There's this really weird
bubble that happened sometime in April that I still don't
understand. It was all of a sudden the unique cinders per
day went from like 400 and something up to like 1200 I have
no idea. It must have been somebody testing something I
don't know. So just for the fact that that happened, tells you
you have to you have to have these you have to have a little
bit of skepticism about these numbers. Now think they're I
think they're mostly right. But this is not perfect. We have to
remember that we in the value for value thing. The streaming
SATs and the boost are intentionally obscured. There's
there's private there's massive privacy here. Having perfect
user privacy means that you have you give up something you give
up starting to stay Yeah, exactly. You everything becomes
a fog so to speak. So the best you can do is estimate you can't
know these things first that you can't know that the Dave Jones
who boosted your show five minutes ago is the same Dave
Jones that just boosted it. Now,
Adam Curry: let me give you another example. Let me give you
an I have been living value for value with my day job no agenda
for now in our 16th year. Huh? Very scary in the beginning. You
get used to it during the lockdowns, pandemic, etc. And my
first appearance on Rogen, we doubled everything. We doubled
in female listeners, we doubled in income and you know now with
inflation and everything, it's gone down. The beauty of it is
and we're talking On average 400 donors per show, and that's from
$1 to $1,000. And, and we give everybody all the numbers $50.
And up, what hurt us very badly was the Pay Pal pocalypse a lot
of people had on long going on ongoing subscriptions, they got
pissed off, they cancelled and they, they never, they never
came back with a subscription that hurt us a lot. So we're
down 15% Probably from that. But it's an it's a, it's an evolving
conversation we have with everybody. And we said, look,
we're down, we need more money, we need more value, we need all
kinds of things. And we're and we and we're getting the time
and talent in droves. And then people just do it, they step up.
People who haven't haven't donated for two years now it's
time for me to do something. Because we ask we're honest,
this is this is the thing you have to get over. And and and I
mean, I hear so much beauty happening on no agenda stream.
And with the with the value for value live stuff this is this is
by the way doing this live, is if you're into if you need
money, if you need monetary value, do it live. Because that
interaction is crazy. People love that they love seeing
their, you know, their boost amount show up in the in the
chat room with the boost BOD and you're in the pew pew. And it's
all kinds of mechanisms that make people feel a part of what
is happening. And what is going on. This is what we have to
understand. It's the same thing happened in the blogging, Andrew
Sullivan, you know, oh, I'm making a million dollars
blogging, everyone starts blogging, I'm gonna make a
million dollars. No, you're not. You're not.
Dave Jones: You've been say you've been seeing this for
years, the ups and downs have no agenda, you know, the summer,
summer starts donations,
Adam Curry: donations to Oh, you get holiday weekends, it by the
way, we work on holidays,
Dave Jones: politic, political, the political season starts,
donations go up, things happens, things happen within the
movement of society that will affect this. And the I think the
really critical point is that all of these attempts, by by
creators to try to try to mute that have that effect don't
work, you think that subscriptions are going to help
to make it to help stabilize your income. But they don't,
it's a fiction. Because just like I did this week, I
cancelled a bunch of subscriptions. When things
happen and people need to pull back, there are going to pull
back, it doesn't matter if they're a subscription or not,
they are going to cancel they're going to pull back. And then so
like you have, there's only I mean, there's really only like
four ways you can you can only think of about four different
ways. You can make money, you can get money into podcasting,
advertising, open subscription, pay walled subscriptions. And
value for value. That's there's some Venn diagram overlap with
some of that with some of the like a, like an open
subscription model that sort of a value for value like
mechanism. But if you average it out, let's just say your podcast
goes 20 years, the average all of those different methods out,
you're probably going to end up in about the same place no
matter no matter what, when it comes because the what in what
matters in a free market is the consumer and what they can bear.
Do the best thing you can do is give your give your audience the
ability to pay you what they feel. Because they feel better
about that arrangement. Don't feel like there's a there's an
attempted lock in they don't they people hate paywalls that
you want to see what we're in the one thing that's not really
it's being talked about, but not exactly like this. All of the
talk around Reddit and Twitter and the sites that are that are
taking their API's and charging a fortune for them now out of
the blue. We're seeing the slow motion, destruction of the web.
That's what had all everybody is going to ad blockers and, and
privacy to block targeting. And you're seeing that the sites
that used to just throw a banner ads and be fine, they they are
hurting, everybody is hurting right now. And that that's that
process to think that that to think that your interaction with
your audience or your relationship with your readers
or listeners or whatever is going to be helped by putting
getting behind a paywall, or tailing them popping up an
interstitial and saying, Hey, would you can you please disable
your ad blocker? I'm sorry. The funniest thing to me is
listening to all the ad supported people ad supported
like podcasters. And people that will turn around and tell you
that they all use ad blockers. And they all skip ads. Yeah.
It's universal. I mean, every one every one, every one, every
single one of them. So and yeah, so I just think like when it
comes to So, at the same time, I'll say that this is an
important point, I forgot about this. At the same time that I
cancelled those other subscriptions. I took out two
new started two new subscriptions. One was to
accidental tech podcast, which I listened I listened to mostly
from my day job because I really have to, because I do a lot of
tech support. I have to keep up with going what's going on in
the app world. I don't want that show to go away. Go. Right,
right. And I have been noticing, as I'm sure any other listeners
of theirs has their ad load has been going down. Sure. And then
all of a sudden, a few weeks ago, they started doing house
ads saying please become a member, please become a
subscriber, please become because we're hurting. And I'm
like, Okay, fine. Sure. I will, I will absolutely go do that.
They don't give me the option for value for values
Adam Curry: you're more, give more to give more, you would
give more, I'm sure you would give them more
Dave Jones: esalaam can just on principle, just on principle.
And then the other the other one is I started an automatic boost,
weekly boost to coder radio. Because Chris also got Chris
Fisher also got on the show and said, Hey, are Linode
sponsorship dropped? Oh, no, no,
Adam Curry: they didn't renew that was big for them, too.
Yeah, that's
Dave Jones: a hard one. So I'm like, Okay, you're getting an
auto boost every every week,
Adam Curry: how are you doing the auto boost? How you doing
that?
Dave Jones: Just with a cron job. The same way I do with I've
got four other shows that
Adam Curry: I would love, I would love to have auto in the
in the apps, I would be used to I wouldn't be using it. Well,
but
Dave Jones: that goes back to your point, which is if you talk
to your audience, which is a critical piece of value for
value, if you tell them what's going on. They that gives them
the opportunity to come to your rescue and help you. And that's
what that's exactly what but if you don't if you don't talk to
your audience, they don't know. I mean, like we we just I mean,
you gotta be you don't have to go ridiculous within post your
bank statements. But I mean, some level of transparency. Just
like I said a while ago, I'm like, you know, this, this
project cost me over two grand last year. That's it just if
you're honest with your audience, and tell them where
they're at. I mean, there's mutual respect that happens and
they will help. We all will because we're all we all care.
If you're listening to content, and you hear the person who's
making the content, say, Hey, we're really struggling or hey,
we need you, you need you to step up. You're going you're
every one of us is going to do that. Every one of us
Adam Curry: and to celebrate value for value and true
podcasting, 2.0 cents and fashion. We're going to play a
song. Hey, citizen,
Unknown: some podcasts are special, and some are a bit of a
bore. Some start with an ad read, you've probably heard them
before. But some have a model that's tested and true. Where
you get to pay whatever it's worth to you. I'm so grateful
for that. All I want is to boost it right back. So I say thank
you for the value that I've been given. Thanks for providing the
means to listen free from any sponsors, you keep your
integrity without posting a file on an RSS feed. So I say thank
you for the value for giving it to me. Exceptional podcasts are
great, but they're rarely produced more reason to help
them along with a boost. And I've often wondered, how did it
begin? Who found out that time or talents could be sent in just
like treasure cash? Well, whoever it was, I'm fine. So I
say A thank you for the value that I've been given. Thanks for
providing the means to listen free from any sponsors, you keep
your integrity without posting a file on an RSS feed. So I say
thank you for the value for giving it to me I am so lucky, I
have a fancy podcast. I want to sing it out to every Buddy, what
a joy. What a nice, boost the grant thank you for the value
that I've been given. Thanks for providing the means to listen
free from any sponsors, you keep your integrity without if you
post the file on an RSS feed. So I say thank you for the value
for giving it to me. So I say thank you for the value for
gaming forgiving yet to me.
Adam Curry: And we'd like to support a citizen go back and
listen to this and Todd friend or Piero caster and boostin we
put the split in for the value times for the beautiful
Dave Jones: sounds hilarious. Yeah, I didn't get a chuckle and
my sets.
Adam Curry: Yeah, I mean, I didn't ask for him to do that.
Yeah, that's that's value for value. That's literally Why Why
should Whoa 10,000 SATs from Dave Jones. Nice. Yeah, I
Dave Jones: love this guy. So well, we'll talk about this more
with with Alex next week, but he put in his seats at the boost
bot and modified it to be like XMPP based into peer tube. Or
not that it's not excuse me, it's not in peer tube. It's the
code is not in there. It's running a separate process, but
he hooked it into the XMPP room. So like if you go in, we're
playing with it the other night. I was doing a live stream of
some coding and he was and he was boosting into my peer Tube
channel. And then it was being posted it was getting posted to
the XMPP room that we're all in. So like this is when we when we
get the so with the podcast colon chat tag, uh huh.
implemented with an XMPP protocol that
Adam Curry: you can basically plug it into everything right
you can plug XMPP into everything.
Dave Jones: Yeah, that does using IBANs boost bytecode and
so which is another so he wanted to do a test today of the social
interact tag because he wanted he wants he modified the boost
bot to be able to boost the social interact tag so that it
would then the boost would then come through on Mastodon or
excuse me an activity pub right using that instead of just hard
coded into activity pub.
Adam Curry: Well I did put it in I put the the social interact
tag in as requested.
Dave Jones: Okay, I thought I was looking at it right before
we went, I think in a theme he was saying something about it.
He didn't think it was working, but I'm gonna go back and check
real quick. We'll see he had a post. Maybe like just a few
minutes before we pulled the trigger. So here it is. Looks
like you added it. And it did not work the URL and it is bla
bla bla which does not look like a valid post. Oh, yeah, if you
click on the URL for the linter
Adam Curry: Oh, why is that not Oh, that's sucks
Dave Jones: How do you see that post? Yeah,
Adam Curry: no, I see it. I see. Well, what did i What did I do
wrong? Oh man, hold on a second.
Dave Jones: Oh, this this linking to no agenda. So should
that be on?
Adam Curry: I see what happened. Ha second. Let me see. I can
change this on the fly with it. Why not? Here we go. Really?
Alright, hold on now. Do I? Yeah. Okay.
Dave Jones: Why don't I just post something and you use it or
you just use the one Did I post it? Don't use it.
Adam Curry: That's probably better. Yeah, that was That was
my mistake because I was trying to be fancy. Okay. I'll use the
social interact for the one that running with scissors. Okay,
hold on.
Dave Jones: I'm so good at this. But it was the one this is my
time for the board meeting one. Is that what it is? Yeah, that's
one right. Okay. Okay.
Adam Curry: click, Save, publish. Okay. Boom. All right.
What are you laughing at?
Dave Jones: I just love him because this is all being
changed. We're being
Adam Curry: crazy, baby. Crazy. Crazy. Alright, so now that
should start showing up. Anything that happens now. Any
booths, I guess would show up. Underneath the underneath your
post time for the board meeting right now. I have
Dave Jones: no idea. Dead behavior. undefined. I have no
idea. That's the
Adam Curry: idea. I believe so. But yeah, it has the idea. Yeah.
So we'll have to would have to reload the feed, I guess to to
get the changes. Changes.
Dave Jones: Question. That is a big question, Mark. I don't
know. I don't know how that I'm not sure where he's pulling
stuff from either. They would have to be from our feed. But
then like, how often does he refresh?
Adam Curry: It's up. It's up there. I've done I've done the
bidness. You did your part. I did. The Ben did my thing. Yeah,
absolutely.
Dave Jones: That quick. That thing we were talking about a
while ago, though? I had. I had been thinking about this. You
know, I'm glad I don't? Did you see that Pocket Casts raised
their price for like, their premium thing to $39 a year? No,
I'm like, nine.
Adam Curry: I haven't followed pocket cat Pocket Cast, because
they don't do anything they say they're gonna do. So sure.
Dave Jones: But like, but I think I, I liked that they did
this. Because I was thinking about if you add up so that like
a lot of people were like, Oh, my gosh, 13 $40 a year? Whoa.
But if you think about it, I mean, you're paying way more
than that for like Disney plus, Paramount plus, HBO Max. I mean,
you're paying 100 bucks a year minimum for those services. And
think about how many hours of content you consume in
podcasting versus those it's got it's at least equivalent. Now. I
Adam Curry: understand I'm, but you know, Pocket Casts is just
it's the platform is not, you know, they're not responsible
for the content.
Dave Jones: I just appreciate that they're raising the bar on
what on what on the what the value of a podcast app in
general is I think that'll lift all the boats a little bit.
Adam Curry: I'm with you on that. But I think they would
they would make more money if they went full on if they
supported value for value. And they took me Oh, 5% or whatever.
10%. Do whatever you want. It's all worth it. To 100% 100%.
Agree I would I would be more impressed with them. I'm not I'm
just not that impressed me out there was supposed to they
haven't done anything for the pod standards group, which as
far as I'm concerned, is this as dead as the podcast industrial
complex?
Dave Jones: We did. I did. have a talk with Tom Rossi about the
verification tag though. Speaking of podcast standards
group, yeah. Or podcast, I think they're kind of podcast
authorization tag.
Adam Curry: Well, let me just go to their website for a moment.
Let me look at the blog. Oh, look, it's still the original
posts well done. And for all the noise man for all the noise.
This is this is this is what always happens with these
podcasts industrial complex type initiatives.
Dave Jones: I just am loathe to criticize, because I know how
difficult I know why they wanted to do it. And I know how hard it
is to actually accomplish the thing they want to accomplish.
Oh, it's not possible. That's what that's what you said at the
beginning. You were like, This is not possible.
Adam Curry: And I said, I support them. I said, and we
supported them with us. I stopped the value split. I
stopped that, you know, we're just giving them funding for not
doing anything. So I mean, when when was this thing posted?
There's not even a date on when this this blog post was posted.
But this there's been nothing there's been 00 it's just zero.
So I'm sorry, you know, it's like, I know how hard this is.
You can't be done with it just can't.
Dave Jones: It's hard. It's it is not just hard. It's almost
impossible. You know, the only time it's see I just think that
I don't know what I'm trying to get. I feel like the it's a they
wanted a good thing and And the comparison was with, like the W
three C three C standards group and places like that. And that's
that is a no, that is a good comparison to make. Except I
think there's apples and oranges there in this in this respect.
The W three C standards group was made up of a very small
number of huge companies. And they are the ones firmly in
control. When you have that situation, you can pretty much
ran through whatever you want to do. Because ultimately, what is
the three, what the HTML Working Group and the W three standards
bodies do? All that stuff ultimately gets filtered down
into really one or two, HTML rendering engines? What what's
happening here in the podcasts in the podcasting world, is all
of those standards have to get filtered down amongst dozens of
hosting companies, and podcast applications, and third party
platform providers. It's it's a, it's a different, like, it's a
different thing when you have Apple, Microsoft and Mozilla
who's whose ultimate advice ends up in the Safari, Mozilla and
chromium engine. Those and we throw Microsoft in there, they
can pretty much do whatever they want and implement whatever they
want in a very quick and efficient manner. The podcast
industry is so much more scattered than that. It's like
herding cats. It's basically impossible to get any and some
people I think, also, this is clear that this happened when
the podcast industry reached out to certain individuals, when app
developers and that kind of thing they got pissed that
developers got pissed off and said I don't want you telling me
what to do. Like that's just it's just so hard to do so
Adam Curry: but the whole okay, what is the mission of the pod
standards group? What is their mission
Dave Jones: the same the same essential mission as what the W
three C does is create standards and so that you have a spec for
for podcast platforms and players to adhere to I disagree.
Adam Curry: What I read everywhere is we want open
podcasting, Apple and Spotify you should listen to us do
participate with what we're doing over here, please. It's
the same same stuff, waiting for the big companies to listen to
the little guys. And it's never gonna happen. But let me tell
you what did happen. Or what or what what is happening? No
agenda. I'm looking at op three stats here. I think we we make
up a large percentage of the op three stats, I think we have
921,331 unique audience members per month. Not too shabby. So
that's number and let's look at the top apps for May. Apple 36%.
Then there's unknown Apple app 15%. Guess who's number three.
Dave Jones: I'm gonna say pod verse pod
Adam Curry: verse 10%. Podcast addict was 7%. Then comes
overcast with five then comes Pocket Casts with four. Then
comes fountain with just a little bit under Pocket Casts.
Then comes Google, Stitcher. castbox, etc. and why? Because
we're working with the app developer not directly. I'm
telling people use pod verse that's all I'm doing. Use pod
verse you can listen live. It's pretty cool.
Dave Jones: This no these no agenda stats, you're talking
better podcasting. 2.0
Adam Curry: no agenda stats. 10% for pod verse.
Dave Jones: That's a lot. Yes. 10% Of a have 150 to 900,000
unique listeners. I mean, like how many how many unique
listeners as you
Adam Curry: say 921,900 21,000.
Dave Jones: So that's that's almost 100,000 people using pod
verse as their app as their
Adam Curry: app of choice on a monthly basis. Yeah.
Dave Jones: So you know, fantastic.
Adam Curry: Yeah. So you know, I don't like sitting in groups.
You know, I like doing I like doing so you know, Apple can do
whatever they want. But eventually those numbers will
overtake apple. They will. Now I'm starting to target women.
It's a known fact that women
Dave Jones: please so but that
Adam Curry: it's a known fact that we Women use stuff on the
web browser. So I'm like, No, this has to stop. We need to we
need to get women using apps.
Dave Jones: And women use stuff on the web browser men do to
actually they we all use stuff yeah
Adam Curry: but it's a known fact that more women
Dave Jones: just the way you're wording things it's funny to me.
Adam Curry: Does anyone I saw bought that or not I don't think
anyone did that. I don't think the ISO bought it. Come on
people were are Yeah, I still bought it. I still bought it. I
bought it.
Dave Jones: Did you give did you give Nathan Gaither is
transcribed on FM the world?
Adam Curry: I did. And I broke it. Of course. Yay. Well, it
worked on a I did a one hour Korean the keeper that worked.
But I noticed the SRT file which I use, I didn't want to mess
with anything else. Didn't have speaker names. So. So I said,
Hey, can you fix that he fixed it. And then I uploaded a no
agenda. And that broke the system. Although he says yeah,
it's still there, or whatever absorbed I don't know. But I'll
try it again, the speed with which it did work for the for
the one and one hour and 20 minute show was phenomenal. And
it looked like the transcription was pretty decent. Because
otter.ai that I'm using is you know, is marginal. Any, any
transcribe system that can successfully get Jhansi Dvorak
out, and, and transcribe that successfully is going to be good
in my book. So I can't wait. And I'd like for it to be tightly
integrated.
Dave Jones: Is there Nathan? Is there going to be an API for
this? Because if there is, we'll just
Adam Curry: be badass. Yeah, badass that just, you know, hook
that into to sovereign feeds. That will do an automatic
payment, you know, I set my payment amount now I do. Let me
see I do 123456. So I do about 16 shows a month. Who's Am I
saying that right? 1234 between 16 and 20. So, you know, I'll do
5000 SATs a show. It'll be a little bit more expensive than
than otter, but you know, it'll be real money.
Dave Jones: Oh, Nathan said he's already talking to Steven B
about integrating with this was
Adam Curry: so much I love that we need sovereign feeds on Star
nine. My star I love the star nine guys. They're getting so
close to being good.
Dave Jones: So that's been good. Yeah, that would be a direct
integration would be pretty nice. Because then you could
just in the sovereign phase dashboard, you could just pop
the transcript, let it finish and then upload altogether. Yep.
Rather than having to have the web hook do all the work
perfect. It'd be pretty nice.
Adam Curry: So much fun. And have you seen being it.io?
Dave Jones: You I've seen you send me links to it because I'll
send you a an article and you're like, yep, Barton talked about
it being it being in length.
Adam Curry: It you know, so dread Bless his heart. He
transcribed all 1568 no agenda episodes must have cost him a
fortune, because I think he did on otter. So he transcribed
every single one, we don't have no show notes, but maybe from
Episode 300 on or something because a lot got lost. But very
much like. So the difference with this between what Steven b
Did the transcript tool.com You know, that only that can only
look at transcripts that are in your feed. But what Dino did.
He's also on podcast index on social. But he indexed all 1568
transcripts and made it searchable. And he you know, he
broke it down by chunk of you know, like 10 lines or
something. And so you search for something and he has some good
fuzzy logic in there, you know, you can board some Boolean type
stuff for humans, you know, all terms, all texts, etc. And, man,
I mean, I've found stuff that I had no idea where to find the
link or the story or whatever, and I found it in the
transcript, you click on the link, boom, it starts playing at
that point part in the podcast. It's amazing, using trig that
that to me is such a valuable use of transcripts. It's off the
hook.
Dave Jones: That's Oh, we get a I don't know if you're seeing
maybe the maybe the cross outcome and boosting is maybe it
is working now.
Adam Curry: Oh, let me let me check. So I might be able to see
that in the ceiling. Casting next is social.
Dave Jones: Wow. Should this did it come in at some
Adam Curry: real scissor stuff, man. Okay, let me see.
Dave Jones: Maybe they're just testing. I'm not seeing it yet.
Make sure Wait, no, I'm seeing it now. Yep. Yeah, there it
came.
Adam Curry: Where's it where's it? posting though,
Dave Jones: so it's posting to well, it's coming through on
podcast index dot social, but if that's the case, it will be
attached to my root post which should also come through on the
podcast index.
Adam Curry: I don't see an on podcast index or social.
Dave Jones: Go to my root posting refresh. That's what I
just did. It is showing up for me.
Adam Curry: Well, you're just better than me.
Dave Jones: Negative i still
Adam Curry: have Dred Scott there. Let me see refresh.
Dave Jones: Oh, well, we're not we're not we're not showing the
I don't know. You have to wait till after the show.
Adam Curry: I don't I don't I only see drab saying we're live.
That's all I see. You have something under that. I do have
a bunch of boosts under that. I don't have anything under that.
Dave Jones: I drive you a hard reflex.
Adam Curry: What do you think I am a newbie.
Dave Jones: Did you do Ctrl Shift? R
Adam Curry: Yes. I don't know. Why is that not working from his
work?
Dave Jones: I'm seeing it.
Adam Curry: Are they private? Is it private? Somehow? Maybe? Are
they not? cbils in the world? No. It's so this is time time
for the board meeting. We're running with scissors Live
episode 139 We're hot as a firecracker that one. Yeah. And
Dave Jones: then drips got response. He says we're live.
Yeah. And I see nothing. And under that I see 1234 boosts or
something
Adam Curry: is something is wrong. Houston, we have a
problem.
Dave Jones: I don't know man. It's like it must be some sort
of caching or something. It's gotta be stuff is hot.
Adam Curry: I don't know why it's not showing for me.
Dave Jones: Well, let me let me let me do a hard refresh. It's
very sure that it didn't get deleted or something. When you
get back down.
Adam Curry: Those numbers will overtake apple. They will now
I'm starting to target women. There we go.
Dave Jones: Oh, wait, wait, wait. Now I'm stalking you.
You're probably you probably clicked on dribs link go
Adam Curry: oh no no no no bumped again. You take me for
some new
Dave Jones: tools because I'm not thinking about you. I just
did it myself and was confused now.
Adam Curry: I click I go to Dave Jones. I scroll down up your
profile. And I click on and I actually see one plus so there's
more than one. There should be more than one comment there. But
when I click into it, I only see Drib it's maddening
Dave Jones: maybe you maybe you've blocked the boost bot
because it's free speech. Oh,
Adam Curry: it's a base it's on the boost bot yeah the boost bot
of course and I don't block it I muted for five days at a time.
Dave Jones: Okay, so yeah, you've muted the boost
Adam Curry: Okay, hold on. Let me let me hit the blue spot yes
blue spot I got it. Blue spot when we
Dave Jones: were anti-freeze page I'm not anti freeze
Adam Curry: page. But don't we already have the blue spot in
the block?
Dave Jones: May be
Adam Curry: Yeah, so don't know. Yes, we do have the boost bot
and this is just coming from the boost bot
Dave Jones: No no no no this is no this is different because
that would just come through onto like that means they would
get the SATs and it would go back out but then this is this
is specifically boosting into the activity pup thread of the
social inner ice
Adam Curry: boosted for 20 sites boosted 100 sites boosted one on
one on one sites.
Dave Jones: Yeah, but that just yeah, like that's that's been
hard coded just to go to podcast index not social but this thing
boost into the social interact route post. Oh, okay. So that's
that's the difference there. But I have which is cool because
that means anybody that does this they'll they will get the
boosts into their social interaction right you
Adam Curry: know, actually we don't have that we don't have
the boost button we have the fountain boost bot Okay, so it
works
Dave Jones: yeah, yes pretty rad. Wow.
Adam Curry: Wow, that's cool.
Dave Jones: This is this is all spreading and building out more
and more into into this big distributed Super Chat.
Adam Curry: I love it. It's this is nuts. We're doing naughty
stuff everywhere doing naughty stuff. Oh my goodness. What do
you what do you want to do? Do you want to do a I have I have
another song that actually comes from becomes from ln beats. I
think you want to play a song do you want to thank some people?
What do you want to do?
Dave Jones: Can cannot talk about something else? Yeah, not
talk about the adult authorization tag real quick
because I feel like we need to run down this for sure. So we we
kept going back and forth. We've been going back and forth about
this particular thing forever. So when they when no one Apple
dropped email addresses out of their spec every you know
everybody also dropped it. out of their feeds, and we don't
have to rehash it, we know that that's a problem now. Yeah, as
far as verification of ownership, yeah. We've been
everything's everything under the sun has been talked about,
oh off accustom handshake, just all kinds of stuff. That really,
I think what we've, what we've just kind of figured out is
there just needs. This is not, I think there was confusion of
thought because oh auth, the fits an authentication scheme,
you need credential, you need credentialing in order to get a
token, so that you can then talk to an API or service or
whatever. But but the I think the problem came from, we're
referring to it as authorization, when it really is
something more simple, which is just pure feed ownership
verification. And if you think about it, in those terms, the
the problem gets a little bit less complex. So we have the TXT
record. And if if you do if you build an all like an OAuth or
some sort of authorization, handshake, with a public key,
and all this kind of stuff, if you build that, in order to
verify feed ownership, you're immediately going to leave out
all of the self written feed all of the self hosted feeds.
Correct, because because you don't the guy, the guy that's
just uploading his feed to object storage, or the person
who's running a WordPress blog. That's not, they're not going to
Adam Curry: die, everybody has to have all kinds of tools and
stuff becomes a process. Now.
Dave Jones: So because your WordPress blog is not going to
expose an API for this, and let's just be honest. So that
means everybody, those people, which is a lot, that's not an
insignificant portion of the world, is going to have to fall
back to TX to a code into txt, record that txt tag, which is
exactly what we built that for. So that's great. So whatever
solution that we come up with has to include those people
also, which means that an application like pod fans, who
needs to verify ownership of a feed, regardless of what system
we devised, they're going to have to at some level, implement
a feed polling solution. So that they can tell you to put a thing
in your feed, you're gonna go put it in the TXT record, and
then you can begin polling it, right. So that has to exist. If
that has to exist, let's not create another yet another
thing, so that now they have two things that they have to worry
about. Let's make it all just fit in the same exact scenario
so that you can do one thing, whatever that thing happens to
be, then begin polling the TXT record for the feed. That being
said, it seems like the most at the simplest solution is, we
have an authorization tag or a verification tag or whatever
it's going to be called. We have that tag, it has a URL in it,
the URL, so for hosting companies that support this
method, they will just include this tag with the URL pointing
to an endpoint on their side that's going to receive this
call. When I'm just going to use pod fans, as an example, when
pod fans goes to verify ownership, they will kick you
out to that URL with a code attached to it, whether it's
some sort of randomized value, right,
Adam Curry: which you have to then put into into your feed.
Dave Jones: Well, you you here's the idea, you wouldn't you
wouldn't even put it in there. Oh, the hosting company would do
that. Yeah, you can't you exactly you could call the
hosting company. There's gonna be a parameter on the end of the
URL token equals BaubleBar t x t equals mobile, Verizon 48
character hex string or something, then the hosting
company is going to kick you to a login screen, you're going to,
you're going to authenticate yourself with the host that you
are who you say you are, by logging into your account, then
it's going to prompt you Hey, pod fans is wanting to verify
your ownership. Do you want to put their code in your feed so
that you can complete the process? You say yes. If the
host drops that value into the TXT record, republishes your
feed kicks you back over to pod fans and says Hey, good to go.
Then pod fans begins to just pull the feed until they hit
until they see that it refreshed. They see the code
done.
Adam Curry: Okay, and you're gonna build this into the
dashboard for podcast index.
Dave Jones: Yeah, for sure. Absolutely. I will. I don't know
if I'll be able to be the first to support it, but I will be
early.
Adam Curry: You know what's, what's so funny is you made this
whole dashboard I haven't had a single request where I can use
the dashboard yet. Why don't want a rescanning of the one?
No, I know. Because if he didn't exist, the feed was wrong and
there's a whole bunch of stuff was wrong. That guy was all
wrong.
Dave Jones: Okay. Can you real quick go back to your dashboard?
Because I need to run this past you Sure. There
Adam Curry: it Yep, I'm here. Okay. What am I importing?
Dave Jones: Let me see if I can. Let's see real quick if I can
find the one that I was wanting to throw at you.
Adam Curry: Because this is another like, calculus test. See
if I know what to do.
Dave Jones: Yeah, okay. Do this. Okay, do this search for
hardcore history. Just I just need to get you some content so
that I can show you what this is.
Adam Curry: Okay? Hardcore History Dan Carlin. Okay, okay,
got
Dave Jones: it. Okay, you see the DC the checkboxes by the
numbers? By the feed IDs.
Adam Curry: I mean, just go into Oh, yes, of course.
Dave Jones: Okay. Alright, so just put a checkmark by any two.
It doesn't matter in any to any time. Yeah. It should pop up
with a new button. emerge. Yes. Nice. So if you if you were not
going to actually do anything, but if you click the Merge
button on one of them. Tell me what you think is happening
here.
Adam Curry: I'm not going to click it right because that
could screw up part Dan Carlin's hardcore here, there's,
Dave Jones: there's two confirmation dialogues you have
to go through so you're not going to screw anything up.
Because you're not going to go all the way through. If you just
click the Merge button, okay, you should come up with
something and I want you to try to I want you to tell me what
you think is going to happen. Okay.
Adam Curry: Do you want to merge Dan Carlin's Hardcore History
agenda? Yes, that's exactly what I would expect to happen. I
would expect the other the other fields to be merged into the one
that I click the Merge button on.
Dave Jones: Now, here's the here's the thing that I'm
wondering about as far as confusion goes, because what
happens when you do this is you're going to, you're gonna
want your you have two fields. And you've chosen both of them.
And you're going to, in some way, merge the two together. But
one of them has to be the winner. One of them has to
become the parents so to speak, right?
Adam Curry: What I understand even from the dialog box is the
one where I click the Merge button is the winner.
Dave Jones: Thank you. Okay, that's what I needed to know.
Because I was trying not to not to,
Adam Curry: to lead the witness, you leave the witness?
Dave Jones: I wanted to know if you if you picked up on the fact
that when the one you hit merge on was the one that became the
parent feed? Yes, that's the way that's the way I interpret Okay,
that was what I was worried about. Because I didn't want
people to get to just willy nilly get confused and not
realize what was happening. Congratulations,
Adam Curry: you win this beautiful.
Dave Jones: Yes. Oprah, like Oprah here. I gotta pick tags.
So cool, cool. That should work for you. But if you go, you can
go through again and hit Confirm on that, and you should get even
another box.
Adam Curry: Okay. Another box? Does so please enter the correct
feed? Are you really really sure? Okay. Yes. It's really,
really making me do it.
Dave Jones: Yeah. Okay. So you won't click, you will click no
on this
Adam Curry: is here's what's interesting. The URL shown here
is not the one of the data to correct because I click the one
with feeds dot Feedburner. And so I would want
Dave Jones: you can see here, you can paste any Feed URL into
this
Adam Curry: right, but but so what is this? What is this? So,
whereas I agreed with what it told me now, it's telling me
something I don't like, I would expect this to be the winning
feed, which would be the feeds dot feed burner.
Dave Jones: So let me tell you why that's not happening. Okay.
It's a bug. It's not a bug. It's a feature. Oh, the the reason
that is not happening is because the most common scenario that
happens is the phone. Yeah, gotcha. Yeah, you you want to
preserve you have you have two feeds. One will have an iTunes
ID attached and the wrong URL. And the next one, the the one
you're wanting to get rid of has no iTunes ID and the correct
URL.
Adam Curry: These both have iTunes IDs that I'm doing here.
Dave Jones: That's another problem. That's another scenario
that is that is unsupported right now. Most common, the most
common and this is the most common scenario is is the one I
described where you have one that has an iTunes ID and the
wrong URL. Oh, and another one that has the no iTunes ID and a
correct URL. And you can merge the two together such that the
one that has no iTunes ID, but the correct URL gets deleted.
And point and now there's a pointer dropped to the correct
one and the correct one gets the correct URL. That's why the
Yeah, yeah. I'm handing this thing to you. And
Adam Curry: it's like a loaded gun.
Dave Jones: Not because of you, but just because of the nature
of what
Adam Curry: a loaded gun ladies and gentlemen it's a flame
thrower. I love it. What could possibly go wrong? Give the
loaded gun to the child? Yeah.
Dave Jones: I was thinking about like, like Steven crater sent
the, the little What do you call it? Like the, the genealogy
thing where you like to use these properties and these
properties? And then I started going through that. And I'm
like, No, that's not really going to work. Because it
doesn't matter what properties I do. As soon as you've set the
feed URL and re and the last step of that process is a reset
on the feed. Yeah, it's gonna blow all that stuff when stuck
it back into the feed anyway, so none of that matters. All this
is gonna be overwritten by feed reset. So it's kind of just more
so all it really matters is that the correct Feed URL is in
there. Got it. So
Adam Curry: well, I'll be very careful. I'm gonna go very, very
slow with anything I do. If they if I have questions. I will ask
I will ask. Let's, let's thank a couple people who have been
boosting us. Okay, because we got a lot but poker 1000 panning
my wallet to Edward Scissorhands. Exactly. That's
it's fun. A lot of this sounds like Sam Sethi 10101. Shot
Caller 20 is Blaze only Impala. I thought I had the one of Sam
where's our where's our shorter baller and the shorter baller
boosts? Yeah, the stabs that the James gave us. Oh, here I go. I
got I got him here. Sam says asking users to update txt is
the same as ask them to update the email and republish, it's a
bad user experience and won't work. The way you describe the
second method of a URL to the host, then verification of a URI
redirect works. It also mean all hosting to support pod ping to
ensure it's quick for the users. Yep. Okay, so that's what we're
talking about. And then Sam Sethi comes with another 10101
He says, I agree. I didn't like that ball. I like this one. I
like that one better. That's much better. I agree that
treasure needs to be shared. I give with pleasure podcasts
index 1% and James Cridland 1% Plus lb 1% of all pod fan SATs.
And once the podcast verify is approved, I'll give 1% to each
host to implement this new tag to share the value. There you
go. Thank you very much. We appreciate that. Sam, very much.
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Dave Jones: Yeah, he's a state hurrying, brokering off the
books do whatever for
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anonymous. You know, this is that anonymous curio caster who
pops in? Who popped in the last show too with with hundreds of
1000s of SATs.
Dave Jones: I like I like an anonymous curio cast.
Adam Curry: That's very cool. Thank you so much. These are the
ones that came in, just in in the last two hours during the
show. Dave Have you been able to query the database and grab some
did you get the paper? Does your email working? Oh,
Dave Jones: I don't know. Let me check. Let's see. Where's my
email? Is it Thunderbird Come on?
Adam Curry: Well hold on a second you know what's
interesting is I believe I be we've I'm no so your your email
is tied into the system. So it's not going to email me because
I'm on I'm on the booster gram emails but I guess your your
email has to be working for me to receive them
Dave Jones: Do you wait a second. Are you saying that when
I do the booster gram dump each week you get them to?
Adam Curry: I sure do. You do? Yeah. Because I'm a guest I'm on
the give at podcast index.org alias
Dave Jones: so you get so when I when I do the dump at like 12
Noon roughly on a Friday you get all sudden you get a blitz of
booster gram emails. Yes. And no. They did. Dumps dumps big
massive dumps the boosted dump. I did not realize that I was
spamming your your email with booster No, I sorry,
Adam Curry: because I have a folder set up for that. So can
you spam me and I can read them?
Dave Jones: I can't do it from here. No. I've as I've solved
this problem. I've got a text. I've got a text file downloaded.
Yes. But
Adam Curry: no Pay Pal. So we don't have PayPals.
Dave Jones: Wait, let me try to log into PayPal.
Adam Curry: That's gonna be fun. This is very, very well prepared
show.
Dave Jones: Both great. Yeah. I realized as as I'm trying to log
into PayPal, I realized that the on the website happening. Okay.
Give it podcast index. Yeah. So I realized that on the podcast
index website across that comments show for the regular
episodes, but they don't show under the live. So that means I
have work to do. Okay. Okay. All right. Think do I have what was
the last show was that's 23rd. Yes. That was 23rd. All right.
Cool. All right. I think I'm good to go. Well, I'm good.
Adam Curry: All right. Well, let it rip.
Dave Jones: These these are all mixed together because they're
monthlies end.
Adam Curry: Okay, we'll just thank everybody appropriately.
Yeah. Michael Kimmer
Dave Jones: $5.33. Thank you, Michael. dribs got $15 Thank
you. Drib Aaron Renaud $5 Pedro gan calvess. $5. Thank you,
Pedro. Thank you. And let's see, let me make sure I gotta click
into this one real quick, because Kevin Bay sent us $3.
And he had a note. Let's see what it says. He says, Oh, he
says first monthly payment from the endowment fund.
Adam Curry: Oh, that's right. I loved the idea. Thank you very
much.
Dave Jones: This is cool. I like this. This would be fun to
watch. You're gonna last forever. Yeah, it is till we
die. Okay, so that's it. That's it. That's all the PayPal.
Adam Curry: Oh, okay. Well, thank you. Thank you for your
fun coupon people. Now let's go to our booster grams.
Dave Jones: Now get the fun of trying to read this delta. txt
file which is going to be fantastic. Because it's all run
together in one big mush. Okay. See if I can do this. See Dubs.
1010 SATs. It says boost bot is rolling out support for cross
app comments.
Adam Curry: Yeah, obviously we got it. Yes, it's working. We
love it. Boost. If you
Dave Jones: boost an item law have item which contains a
social interact tag to a Macedon post it will post those boosts
as comments and it works perfectly that's airhead 2112 a
rush boost he says slip through the board meeting again. Boost
bots new activity post functionality
Adam Curry: I slept through it slept at the board meeting
Dave Jones: man what I did a did a horrible thing here I used the
more command instead of the last command so I cannot arrow back
up all right now again the so fixed. Alright. Lincoln 1000
says the pod verse he says a sick tune and I'm not sure which
tune that was but I guess it was the
Adam Curry: must have been from the last show. Yeah, which one
that was like a techno type thing or no, that was not the
bubblegum pop the one that our guest Steven crater
Dave Jones: T select Oh yeah, that's right. Yeah. Joel ws
secular central Richardson fountain. Thank you job.
Adam Curry: 1111. Thank you.
Dave Jones: We see we got Oh, Alice gates. Oh, thank you,
Alex. Sir Alice gates, the podcasting. 2.0 consultant.
57,910 SATs through pod versus pod verse. VTS testing.
Adam Curry: Nice. Boost. Thank you. Thank you, Alex.
Dave Jones: Kevin Finn from Buzzsprout 50,000 SATs the
Adam Curry: charismatic. Nice. Thank you, Kevin.
Dave Jones: He says I think you guys are being hard on AI is
valued to podcasters one month in and I'm pretty sure
Buzzsprout new AI workflow is pushing more namespace compliant
transcripts and chapters than any other publisher. I do agree.
Oh,
Adam Curry: no, no, no, no, no, no, no. I just like humans.
That's all
Dave Jones: all fully editable by the podcaster I'm listening
to this episode on Saturday evening and there are still no
chapters sure seems like aI chapters would be better than
nothing until Drib has a chance to do his magic hoo hoo
Adam Curry: bastard wow no blow blow that is uncalled for.
Roughness yell at you okay so you make a point All right. All
right. We may even get big get the
Dave Jones: source de 17 101 SAS through pod verse he says go
live demos and debugging.
Adam Curry: We try
Dave Jones: lots of that on this show. Over citadel 50,000 SATs
mounted no note thank you
Adam Curry: Albert Citadel stream Thank you very much
Dave Jones: 5000 SATs from been through pod verse no note thank
you button. Use no test boost. Sam Sethi Senate test boost a
bunch of them 61 says looks like he's doing some streaming. Boo.
Boost. Thanks, Sam. Ope 16,969 SAS from a citizen
Adam Curry: well first you go hey citizen known from the thank
you for the value song.
Dave Jones: When Dave tries to describe a deep philosophical
and abstract concept you can feel the fabric of reality
itself shifting is it doesn't sound like an accomplishment.
This sounds like you know
Adam Curry: dread actually did the chapters from field day he
was out practicing his practicing his ham skills. Oh
Dave Jones: that I did not realize until last week when I
saw him comment that he was a big ham.
Adam Curry: You know it was really cool. The ham radio
community Dare I say is set up to such a degree that I got a
phone call and I see it's a 512 it's a Austin number and it's
and it's not a spam call because it has a name attached I pick it
up and get this big booming voice yeah hello this is I have
a message from the 70 to 90 traffic net for Quito five
Alpha. Charlie Charlie. Like yeah, sure.
Dave Jones: Intimidated Yes.
Adam Curry: From Juliet kilo Tango to zero I'm on field day
or ITM though it was in the morning from field day in
central New York. JK two T two zero so the way it works is
someone in New York got onto the 7290 traffic net. They that
being said I have a message the message is for Adam curry in in
Central Texas in Fredericksburg. They then take the message find
my number and
Dave Jones: SEC lookup right
Adam Curry: yes and then pass the nut and pass the message. I
love that system. hams are going to save the world man when the
apocalypse comes. Right?
Dave Jones: We'll get us somehow figured out how to attach boost
boosts
Adam Curry: the first boost through ham radio that's what
I'm looking for
Unknown: the boost bot the boost bot RS bags MPP
Adam Curry: Yeah, we can do it. He takes MPP to the boost bot
I'm sure we can do it.
Dave Jones: Yep. H MPP. Oh, see, hey, citizens, messengers. When
Dave tries to describe a deep philosophical and abstract
concept, you can feel the fabric of reality is still shifting.
And when Adam says oh, it's like my wife's text message. The
fabric of reality shifts a little bit more. Thank you for
your carriage
Adam Curry: thank you for your courage.
Dave Jones: Anonymous roadex 2222 through cast thematic got a
couple of those Thank you Anonymous We got a few more than
these through these look like some streams oh here we go call
McCormick 5492 through fountain he says missioning own your.com
My mom would tell me this and said it'd be super important in
the future back when I was in high school 2015 I didn't really
think about it until Adam brought it up Mom was right
Adam Curry: right Listen to your mom Cole always always listened
to your mom.
Dave Jones: And for everybody who hasn't call your mom yeah,
right away. Grab Scott 107,373 says
Adam Curry: oh dread dread
Dave Jones: through curio caster so of course because it's
through curio caster something weird get the reply address. Oh
by key and the reply value and every time I see that it reminds
me of the languishing hella pad that I have got to get back to I
can't
Adam Curry: wait. I can't wait to start returning some boosts
Dave Jones: boosting to call out day for having a long expired
ham callsign.
Adam Curry: Ham bad ham,
Dave Jones: KC for NSA. When I boosted from field day last
week, I heard they threw out his callsign Casey for next a while
Adam was reading booster grams, so of course, I had to look it
up. Looks like it expired back in the year. 2000. That
Adam Curry: is correct. Yes. Dave. Dave, Dave,
Dave Jones: perhaps just a y2k bug. Dave and all your spare
time you need to get licensed again. My six year old is
studying for her license. If she can do it. So can you
Adam Curry: drill? I know you can do it.
Dave Jones: We know is a subtle slam from the I'd like
Adam Curry: the boost reply first before you get your ham
license. I'll pass on the message is keto five Alpha.
Charlie, Charlie. I'll call Dave.
Dave Jones: Don't you know that ham radio is going to save the
world right now.
Adam Curry: Where is that thing? Hold on and save the world. Here
it is. When the apocalypse comes where the guys who are gone to
save the world. Right. Right. Right.
Dave Jones: Borlaug won a 101 Nice five verse he says always
grateful for the two of you and all the others who do some of
the heavy lifting in this community. It's an amazing
group. Yes, it is. Mere Mortals. Karen 4444. That's to Rosa
ducks, evidently fountain. He says sending in extra as thanks
today for the value tag help. Also big shout out to Todd at
blueberry for helping me with the live tag. Whenever there's a
boost nearby is it Where did that come from?
Adam Curry: I just hit I get boosts whenever there's a boost
nearby. Which is I'm just pushing buttons. I think that
may be a clip that I did, I think yes, I like it though.
It's kind of cool.
Dave Jones: We all joke around about the scissors but a big
kudos to everyone creating and implementing tags. This stuff is
not easy, but it's hella fun. Hopefully the bread the newly
branded value for value podcast will be live next week. Fingers
crossed goose BABY Yay Oh, there we go. It's the delimiter
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fountain 80 says howdy David Adam. Please invite your
audience to visit my cartoons at WWW dot CSB dot lol go
podcasting yo CSB go podcast
Adam Curry: Why don't we play one quick song and then we'll
say goodbye? What do you say? Yeah, please everybody switch
over to curio caster or if you're listening to this after
the fact curio caster and pod friend and boost boost boost. So
we can hit the top of wavelength with Ally Mitchell when this is
over.
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Adam Curry: used to Hello
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Adam Curry: completely trippin balls on this song
Dave Jones: that was like so chill but it
Adam Curry: was it had a little bit of Prince kind of vibe
little Lenny Kravitz I don't know I just I kind of I kind of
dug it
Dave Jones: that is a read tune who was the artist
Adam Curry: ally Mitchell a li Mitchell and the title is when
it's over W E N for some reason when the when this is over I'm
sorry and let's boost this let's boost him because he's also I
think on wavelength so I love putting the songs into the top
on wave Lake hoping one day wave local go oh yeah we should do
something again. Yeah just the thought
Dave Jones: the so that it maybe it's two weeks ago three weeks
ago I don't remember when it was you played long D
Adam Curry: Yes. He's got a you got five songs in the top 40
Now, yeah.
Dave Jones: underclass underclass. Yes. Yeah, you
played underclass and which is a red song, by the way and then in
like, so it was in my head in my head in my head and up and I've
been playing, I've been doing more playing more drums, I pick
them back up later. And so I'm like, I'm like, I'm gonna I'm
just gonna jam along with the song. So I started I was playing
Dre. That is a hard drum song. Oh, really? Challenging.
Adam Curry: Oh, interesting. Interesting, interesting. Value
for value. That's, that's what we're promoting here. That's my
guess you just say music 2.0 Or value m value music value. When
you boost this podcast when the song is playing those sets go to
the artist. And that'll be another thing that Dave's going
to put into helipads so we can actually see that how much went
to the artist? I'm not holding my breath because I'll be dead.
Dave Jones: No disproportionate use of force so
Adam Curry: it's okay. I understand me I understand the
streaming videos very important. I know. I know. I know what has
it is not a douche bag.
Dave Jones: I'm sending you love. I gave you a dashboard.
Adam Curry: I love my dashboard. I haven't been able to use it
yet. Could people please give me some problems? I need some
problems to solve like I want a problem.
Dave Jones: I'm giving him a bet to give you a magic button on
the dashboard. Today I'm doing that today. What
Adam Curry: is the magic button do
Dave Jones: the magic button says give me some dupes. And
it's gonna just you're gonna you're gonna be able to click
the button.
Adam Curry: Oh, cool. Oh, I like that. Very cool. Okay.
Dave Jones: Yeah, with all your spare time. You can just
duplicate the entire index. Yay. Sounds like great fun.
Adam Curry: Oh, wow, brother. Anything else before we cut out
of here and get the weekend started?
Dave Jones: No, I'm feeling good. Okay, well.
Adam Curry: I'm feeling good too. I'm going to play With this
duo caster the road caster do I'm gonna get it all set up and
I'll give that a whirl maybe next week
Dave Jones: and things still is I think still it's a little much
in it a little bit of like I feel like it's a little bit too
much money for what it is. Is that Is that fair? 499 Yeah, no
it's like it should be closer to $400
Adam Curry: it's worth every penny I'd pay I'd pay 1000 for
each of these boxes I have struggled for decades trying to
get in in one device with these guys have done
Dave Jones: okay, here's what I'm really asking you should I
buy or do I need to buy one of these? Well I mean I need to buy
the duo
Adam Curry: well you know I mean I make you sound good so you
don't have to worry about it but if you like gear and and a you
got to do more of your streaming stuff.
Dave Jones: Yeah if
Adam Curry: you want to have little pads to do little little
jingles and stuff, you know if you want to have that kind of
action
Dave Jones: I do want to have I do like Pat I want I want little
pain
Adam Curry: you should get it man go out on a limb you can
deduct it it's tax deductible. Oh, yes, yes,
Dave Jones: yeah, it up. Later in the year when we get down to
tax we get down the wire and you need to grab an extra.
Adam Curry: There you go. That's what you got to do. That's it.
That's it. Hey, chat room. Thank you very much everybody watching
Dave stream. Alex and Egghead Thank you very much and we do
have three people watching which is those two guys have aid
Dave Jones: in the top,
Adam Curry: the top on peer to top streamer. Thank you all very
much for listening boost boost particularly for the artists for
ally Mitchell and for Hey citizen. Thank you all so much
for listening. And come on back next Friday. We'll do another
board meeting podcasting. 2.0 See you then brother. To me.
Alright everybody take care bye bye.
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