Adam Curry: Oh, podcasting 2.0 September 1 2023 Episode 144 We
got velocity Oh it's good to be back. Hello everybody welcome to
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to 100 Just for you say hello to my friend on the other end the
one and only Mr. De Jones.
Dave Jones: Does this qualifies Season Two we were on such a
long hiatus. I feel like we should have rebranded as Season
Two season
Adam Curry: two. I don't know does that work in any podcast
apps that season stuff?
Dave Jones: Yeah, I doubt I doubt. Probably not.
Adam Curry: No, probably not. Probably not. David album
Dave Jones: Mark didn't even work in Apple until recently.
Yeah,
Adam Curry: that's true. Dave I missed you I understand you miss
me to be enough to go throwing stuff around. It's okay. All
right. Regardless is all fine.
Dave Jones: I'm glad to hear that you miss me because you
know you seem to be doing every podcast but this one I started
to feel a little left out.
Adam Curry: I know. Oh actually I miscalculated
Dave Jones: in a mo facts. We did one of these. Okay, all
right. And that shows not even going anymore.
Adam Curry: Yeah, it is it has seven more episodes before it's
over. But what was actually really important mo fax was very
important. Have you listened to it? I'm sure you haven't
listened to that I listened to you. It was on my player. It was
very serendipitous in with what we're doing with value for value
music. It I mean, where do you want it? Where do you want to
start my dear because by the way Hello boardroom Hello everybody.
Good to see everybody in the chat room we are live and lit
you should be using an app that I just read what I just
retweeted think podcast guru podcast addict pod fans pod
friend lots of pods of course pod versus fountain curio caster
everything kind of works now with live and lit not everything
does value time split or as I call it the wallet switching
technology
Dave Jones: like this wildly switching technology ethos
technology on the end of it it makes it sound like there's like
important
Adam Curry: it's important yeah there is a team it's a huge team
we've got this massive team
Dave Jones: but no it's but when you actually do it it's just you
and split kit
Adam Curry: together i My heart is just so full of the music
value for value can we just talk about that for a moment?
Dave Jones: Yes, I will save my I will save my long story about
the so
Adam Curry: come on give us Come on give us a tease give us two
years Wow What do you what do you got to lose?
Dave Jones: I was sent a road caster
Adam Curry: why why do you were sent one bias by road
Dave Jones: no road yeah we really need to get him a review
Adam Curry: I would have been mad.
Dave Jones: I know you would have been pissed I got sent a
road caster but I'm not using it in the in this story of how that
came to be is is worth telling so
Adam Curry: well. Why don't you do that first first. So who sent
you who was who was the kind person to send the pod sage a
road caster?
Dave Jones: Well this is part of this is the fun. One of the fun
elements of this story is that two people tried to send me one
at the same time.
Adam Curry: Oh my gosh,
Dave Jones: it became a who can send David road caster first
competition.
Adam Curry: That's fantastic.
Dave Jones: No Sam Sam Sethi offered over email to send me a
road caster. He said I've got one and I'm not using it. Oh,
that's cool. Yeah. So he's gonna send me a road caster Pro. And I
was like, well, that's great. They let you know,
Adam Curry: a pro or Pro two. Is that sorry, I don't distinction.
Dave Jones: Don't remember. It's
Adam Curry: a pro send it back.
Dave Jones: In the free gift. Yes. So it may have been a pro I
don't race it. It was leftover from his radio station. It's
Adam Curry: most well there's pro in this pro too. And you
want to pro too but okay. Sam is a beautiful man for doing that.
And the other person
Dave Jones: in I said, Well, you know, said Well, let me at least
pay pay shipping isn't expensive, you know, gift and
everything. Well then, then Kevin Finn from Buzzsprout texts
me went like a day after Sam sent that email and says, Hey,
what's your shipping address? And we'll send you some, but he
never told me what it was. So then two days later, or caster
Pro Duo shows up on the front oh wow that's the one you want yeah
I got the little it's the it's the one you wanted me to get yes
that's the
Adam Curry: one you want that that is and I tested it on the
road that is it I mean it's fantastic is exactly what you
want in fact if the if it had come out before I got the road
caster to I probably would have gotten that one.
Dave Jones: Well the fantastic part is it was literally that in
quotes for Ron oh yeah all right. I didn't use so I want to
do this. I want to do this review of the non of this thing
of this thing into parts. First shipping box stores.
Adam Curry: How it came phase it came from the road or it came
from the from from Kevin
Dave Jones: came from Kevin ordered it from like the BH
video. Yeah, yeah, b&h Sure. corbion at b&h been shipping
Foster's got here. Awesome. operation. Now the operational
review is going to take the form of a short story. Let's do it.
So, unbox this about a week after I got it. And just I'm
like, Okay, I need to check this thing out and make sure it works
and everything fired up. It's great. Like, immediately I can
see how great this thing is. Spent some time with it. Playing
around Scottsdale.
Adam Curry: Take it out to dinner.
Dave Jones: afforded a drink. Yeah. So it was it was great.
The preamps are dynamite. That's what they're famous for. Yeah.
Fantastic. So I'm playing around with this thing. I'm getting the
hang of how it works. So much so that it was so easy to get into
and set up and use that I was like, Okay, I'm just gonna, I
just took down my my old setup, I removed all the cords,
everything. So I set my whole rig up and the whole workstation
up with with the road caster duo. And I'm like, great.
Alright, so then I'm like, I know, we don't have a podcast
for another two weeks. So I'm like, Okay, well,
Adam Curry: I'm gonna experiment. Well, I
Dave Jones: go. I was like, well, I'll just, I'll just come
back to this later. So. So last night, I come here to get back
up and running and just make sure I know how to use this
thing because I was going to spring it on. You don't want it
be a surprise.
Adam Curry: Oh, okay. Yeah. Oh, nice. Yeah,
Dave Jones: they've got new gear. And so some men Marigold,
or, you know, we're laughing at ourselves with with the funny
pitch shifting voice technology. This is your daughter has your
daughter. Yeah. Yeah, that's right, my 13 year old and
generally having a riotous time. And so I go in there,
everything's working. Great. I go in, I renamed the default
profile from from default to podcasting. 2.0. Right. And then
you hit export. And then no, it the Export button was grayed
out.
Adam Curry: Because you need to have an SD card in.
Dave Jones: Okay, yeah, exactly. Okay, so I don't have an SD
card. Yeah. So I rename it to podcasting. 2.0 and I exit that
screen. You off, you froze? Oh, user interface, it just
completely froze up. So I'm like, Okay, this
Adam Curry: is weird. Hit the button on the back.
Dave Jones: Hold the button down on the back. I hit the hit the
button on the back. Nothing. I hold the button down on the back
for 10 seconds. Nothing pulled the plug. Hold it down for 30
seconds. Nothing. Oh, no, there's, there's clearly no
hardware interrupts on this thing. All software's not so so
I go pull that pull the power. Rule one. All software sucks.
And it's full of bugs. So I pull the power. No sweat. Plug it
back in. 25% progress progress bar for 30 minutes on the Buddha
up. Oh
Adam Curry: no.
Dave Jones: I'm like, bricks. I'm like, what it was what's
happening here? I pull the power again. Plug it back in. Same
thing. Okay, well, so
Adam Curry: important one question. Yes. Yes, yes. When
you got the machine one of the first things I think it says in
the instructions is to connect it to Why don't use it. It's
connected to Wi Fi and then see if there's an update.
Dave Jones: Yeah, so I did better than that. I plugged it
into Ethernet. And you check for an update immediately plugged
into the Ethernet is said firmware update. I said go it
updated itself rebooted. It was everything was great. Okay, that
happened day one. And so you know, pull up now pull all the
cords out. You know, I'm gonna get this thing down. I'm going
full like a one. You know, a or a plus computer certified
technician. Oh,
Adam Curry: yeah. No, I wish you know, are you sweating a little
bit at this point? Are you mad? Okay. It's a little bit a little
bit of sweat. Yeah. Okay, aggravation, little, little bit.
Yeah, if
Dave Jones: there had been a floppy cable in there, I would
have been checking the orientation of the twisted
perception. So, so did. So pull everything off, plug it back,
pull everything out, plug the power cord back in, hit the
power button. Same thing, but this time, I get to like 90% or
a little different.
Adam Curry: All right? You feel better. You felt better. How
long did you wait at 90% 20 minutes?
Dave Jones: And I'm like, No, this is wrong. So I pulled the
power again. Plug it back in. I'm just I'm just doing the same
thing over and over like a monkey at this point, right? hit
the power button. Now it comes up all the way to like 99% on
the progress bar and I get the Christmas tree.
Adam Curry: Oh, you're feeling good. At this point. You're
feeling good? Feeling good? Yeah,
Dave Jones: I'm like, This is great. This is I'm almost there.
All I have to do is reboot 787 or eight more times and I'm
going to do it again. And this time it comes up and I get an
interface. I get to you I'm like okay, I've This is progressive
rebooting I'm not sure I understand this technology. But
this
Adam Curry: is daily. It's a feature. It's a feature
obviously a feature.
Dave Jones: Yeah, and so so I get I get an interface. And I'm
like, Okay, this is working. Sliders are working. And then I
hit the hit the gear icon. I'm gonna go try to see if I can
force it to find a firmware update. I hit the gear icon for
you. I froze. Yeah, so now I'm googling I'm like okay, what is
this this unknown issue or whatever and now
Adam Curry: and I would say that the road website itself sucks it
really does the way they've set that up and everything they've
chaptered it and put it into sections it sucks just give me
one big page with everything but no okay yeah
Dave Jones: in the end the the the placeholders on the page
that you jump back and forth with don't always right no good
is no good. So I started Googling to try to find
solutions to this and I run into like I run into this dude called
the road caster master oh
Adam Curry: this is Oh did you get his number the road caster
master
Dave Jones: this guy is fantastic. I mean, I love this
guy. He brings a break. So this the road caster Master is a
special person he can take like a like a 32nd How to and turn it
into 15 minutes you want a little you want a little sample
of the road caster?
Adam Curry: I was just looking them up. You have a sample. Oh,
okay.
Dave Jones: All right.
Adam Curry: Let me play a little bit of the here is a clip one
the road caster master
Unknown: the road caster Pro two. Let's go Alright.
Adam Curry: Fine. I'm liking this guy. All right. Oh, he's
Dave Jones: great. I mean, he needs the horn though. That's
the only thing he's missing.
Adam Curry: And that's actually it's actually built into the
thing. I can't believe that he that he didn't already use it.
Let's just try that again. Let's just try him again.
Unknown: The road caster Pro two. Let's go.
Adam Curry: Alright, I'm feeling good. Now. I'm feeling good,
right?
Dave Jones: I'm like, Okay, this guy's will solve my problem.
He's gonna show me how to read how to reset the road caster
Pro. Well, of course, nothing this the duo is so new that
nobody really has anything on it. It's on Pro two stuff. So
he's like the he's like the this guy's like the recipe blog of
YouTubers.
Adam Curry: Like his little icons, Roman helmet icon.
Dave Jones: It doesn't make any sense. So
Adam Curry: he has 98 views of which 97 are yours.
Dave Jones: That's all my f5 dini goes from? He goes, he goes
at one point into this into he's going to show you how to and he
goes to the TRS 4000 skycam. Right on, which is yes,
Adam Curry: I'm putting this guy in the show notes. All right.
Yeah.
Dave Jones: Yeah, hit clip two. Oh, sorry.
Unknown: In the comments. Someone asked the same question.
So since they asked the same question, I'm like, Hey, man,
these are two comments that I just read and email that I just
read. You know what I'm getting on and we're gonna talk about
this on my break it down sort of forever be broke. So now what
we're going to do is we're going to transition to the TRS 4000 as
a technologically advanced, Scott Kim is out of space right
now. He's going to zoom in
Adam Curry: All right, so he's zooms in
Dave Jones: zooms in and shows hitting the the gear icon on the
screen of which I can't get to right. This guy is ultimately
worthless. He was entertaining for 10 minutes. Yeah, I'm sure
it's really worthless to me. It's So, I moved, I moved past
the road caster, Master and the so now try the road central
software. Do you have you used this?
Adam Curry: Oh yeah. Oh yes. Did you have the right version
because if you don't have the right version is not going to do
anything for you.
Dave Jones: I don't know what version I had the every video
tutorial I could find that tries to get show you how to force a
firmware flash it none of none of these work because it this
thing only boots to a UI two out of 10 times. And so you and then
after that you get about 15 seconds and you're frozen. So
the I guess the overall verdict for usability of the road caster
duo is zero stars cannot actually get it to function.
Adam Curry: You know, I've heard a lot of a lot of these issues
when people don't have the SD card, which I think I mean, come
on road, what does it cost? Seriously, throw and throw a
little SD card in there? Because that's where it's getting mixed
up.
Dave Jones: So you're saying that it's possible that because
I don't have an SD card that can be the source of all these
problems?
Adam Curry: I think so. Okay, yeah. Here's something you could
try. And and this now I am the road caster dual master
you can use one of those two interfaces to connect a drive.
So if you have an external drive, and you plug it into I
think it's a number to the second yet that might trick it
into thinking, Oh, I have some storage. I think it's looking
for storage. And when you tried to export your profile by
renaming it, maybe just renaming it. And somehow I think it's in
the default startup loop where it's looking for the default
profile and it can't find storage maybe if we trick it
into thinking that there's there is explorer, it is external
storage, because you can you can use the SD card or you can use
the second USB interface as a storage connection. Okay,
Dave Jones: so I need a micro SD card and a USBC flash drives.
Adam Curry: Well if you have a if you have a micro SD card then
by that that should do it. But if you don't in a pinch in a
pinch, just grab one of those external USB hard drives you
have laying around we know you've got one with the
blockchain on it.
Dave Jones: It's not being used. Yes, it's
Adam Curry: available. Yeah, grab one of those and try that.
Oh, that's too bad. That's that is a bad experience.
Dave Jones: Well, it it is. It is beautiful to look at. It's
gorgeous. It's a gorgeous piece of tech. I actually got an ISO
from the road caster master. This is a beautiful piece of
technology.
Adam Curry: Of course we want that that is a beautiful piece
Unknown: of technology. Gee.
Adam Curry: So that's my road caster story of which I have
which that is that is awesome. That is the I love you. That is
the end of show ISO No,
Unknown: it is a beautiful piece of technology. Gee. That is a
beautiful piece of technology.
Adam Curry: Come on. Come on. Come on. Come on.
Dave Jones: Gee, this guy is amazing. He's great. I love you,
Kevin. Thank you so much. And I will get this somehow a work
with road support or something to get this working. And we'll
end it will return to the show and functioning order.
Adam Curry: I'm excited. I'm excited. I'm excited because you
know, and then you'll have sound pads you can hit and do all
kinds of cool stuff with
Dave Jones: Yeah, and annoy you to death. No, no,
Adam Curry: no, you don't annoy me at all. I missed you. I have
all the people of all the people I do podcasts with I missed you
the most yet because
Dave Jones: I'm the only one you didn't do a podcast with.
Adam Curry: I know that's why I missed you. We were supposed to
do it last Friday, but I miscalculated. And we were
traveling on Friday. Oh and and I really had miscalculated the
hours but we also had an hour and a half delay and then we had
because I was going to try and slip on and as I said when we
landed when we landed his people airport and you know I had the
hotel right there at the airport. Everything was good to
go. It should have worked out so we landed an hour and a half
late and then one suitcase didn't show up and that took two
and a half hours that's that's that's so I'm sorry and
Dave Jones: your trip you're rested and relaxing it was a
good trip.
Adam Curry: I'm not rested and relaxed at all no it was really
it was it do vacation. We're traveling we're going from
Holland to Spain, a meeting people who are dying you know,
my my friends who are in their late 70s and 80s. Like I just
want to make sure I try and see you once every one or two years
before you gotta go. Oh man. Yeah. I know none of the only
one guy I grew up with. He grew up in, in the hood with me that
he's dying. So that but you know, so I spent a couple days
with him. And he who knows, you know, he may miraculously make
it and you never know it didn't look like it. I'm like, Yeah, we
want to talk about you on the show man is like, how long is
that podcast three hours. It's too long. I can't listen to
that, like, Wow.
Dave Jones: I don't have time.
Adam Curry: But the, the older people like my first radio boss,
Lex Harding, had dinner with him. And then actually on the
Friday night that got all messed up. I was having dinner with
kind of a pseudo dad, for me when I was in the 15. I started
out with illegal CB radio in Holland. And there was a real
community and he was in there. And he kind of took me under his
wing. And so I know him and his wife and his kids. Kids are
almost like my age. And, you know, he's like this old sailor
guy who lives on a houseboat. And it's just cool. I hadn't
seen him in 30 years, like Moby Dick. Is that very much? Yeah,
very much. And Moby Dick Tai Chi can kind of guy. Anyway, we're
here now. And the one thing I did do when I was in Italy, and
I did another one on Monday as the booster gram ball, and i My
heart is so full of excitement for what is happening here. And
the fact that we now have, I think, six value for value music
podcasts, and I have no idea how anyone figured this stuff out.
There's no tutorials, there's no I mean, it's worse than the road
caster duo. There's no way to understand how to do it yet.
People like dirty Jersey whore. Mike Newman, I mean, people are
doing it. The door falls. The door falls. Yeah. TJ the raffle
which you know, he has this 10 brothers. And they all make
music. It's the Von Trapp value for value Family Singers. It's
crazy.
Dave Jones: This is nuts. Yeah. So and they're doing it self
hosted too. They're not the wave like yeah,
Adam Curry: so Okay, so there's a lot of things happen, I had a
lot of reflection on what's going on. And just by doing the
booster, gram ball, I need to need to get a couple of things
off my chest. Okay. I suddenly realized, repetition creates
hits. Now I know this sounds da. And, and I know, inherently
that, you know, when you're in and radio, you know, I should
probably step back 111 thing here. So I've done a lot of
radio in my life and radio. Yeah, you have decades of back
catalogue says a lot of music. But really, the current playlist
of songs across the spectrum is limited. I mean, it's maybe 100
songs, tops that people are pulling from it, I was talking
to moe, he says urban radio, they're playing 10 songs. Now.
This is 10 songs, that's all
Dave Jones: just just make sure this is a 10 song rotation
pretty much
Adam Curry: and it's and it's all about hoes and money and
drugs and killing each other. Oh, that's not very positive.
So, so of course, when you're playing the same songs on every
station over and over again, and this is across the board, I
mean, even the different formats of radio, it's all still pretty
limited. Just go look at it. It's all based on on the charts,
you know, the charts kind of reflect what is available. And
if you're hearing the same song, you know, three times a day, it
sticks in your head. I mean, it has to be really crap and even
really craps on will stick in your head. And so yeah,
Dave Jones: those are the ones that stick in your head more and
more than anything. Um, so
Adam Curry: I'm waking up on vacation, and I'm singing the
songs that I've been playing on booster grand bought, my wife is
singing the song she's playing like, I gotta I gotta hear TJ
song again. What
Dave Jones: don't forgive me. Yes. That's been in my head for
days.
Adam Curry: You know, and, and Bobby shell and just, like holy
crap with with a very limited amount of exposure. It's
happening. It's really happening. So this, this just,
oh, this just blows my mind. But then I was actually talking with
Moe. And, and we did a show, episode number three of moe
facts with Adam curry. And this is something he's been preparing
for a long time. In fact, it's been so long in preparation that
it's a two parter. So we only we only did like three hours in 17
minutes, which is short for mo facts, but as a two parter, and
it's the history the history of hip hop. And okay, and at a
certain point as most as you know what you're doing with
booster gram ball, what's happening with podcasting 2.0
Valley for Valley Music is says it's so perfect for this
episode, because he talks about resonance and how what he
Brought up he said, you know, all over Anthony, all over
Anthony, not a record, not a music industry guy gets a song
out somehow. And it resonates. It resonates with a large
section of people, not with Mo necessarily resonated with me
might have resonated with you. There's something about it. And
and of course, this is why immediately you get all this
horrible information about him. Oh, he's Q anon he's horrible.
He's no good. He's a he's a shill. He's doing it. Because
the music business and this is where we're gonna go in part
two, with with, with no facts, is how hip hop specifically
became corporately controlled, because the message that was
being put out, I mean, I always knew that hip hop was kind of
the CNN for the hood, in the early days that will not stand.
So just as the podcast industrial complex controls and
desperately wants to control what is allowed to be
distributed on podcast apps. The music industry has been doing
this for a long time, all the way back to Sam Cooke. Who this
is all in that mo facts. coup, you know, they made him change
lyrics because he was talking about, you know, change is going
to come and things that were just a little bit, you know,
might get some of those black folk all riled up. We can't have
that Sam Cooke.
Dave Jones: I have. I'm still in the middle of reading the book
called a question of sedition, the government's investigation
of the black press during World War Two, fantastic book, they
were, the government has always been the United States
government has always been very afraid of the of Black Media,
Black Entertainment, black news, that they have always wanted to
keep a lid on it.
Adam Curry: And all of this came from the church, it all came
from the preachers who were hooping, you know, which was a
very rhythmic type of type of preaching. And that literally,
you know, when you when you go through this episode with Noah,
that really is the origins of hip hop. And so then they went
after the preachers, you know, and then they stuck the name
Reverend in front of the in front of him. And then he's
like, Oh, no, and the reference, look at Reverend Al Sharpton,
there's a lot of Reverend out there who are not necessarily
doing things for their community, they are doing things
for the government, for banks for all their controllers. So
realizing this, I'm like, Oh, my God, this is this value for
value music, to me now is as important as what we're what
we've done with podcasting to make it open and available and
censorship resistant. And we're building something outside of
the podcast industrial complex. And it just and so now, now,
every song. And there's something else that happened, of
course, we tried this in 2006 2007, there was called the
podcast, the pod pod save Music Network. And the pod save Music
Network was a website, you could upload your music if you owned
it. And with that, you signed a separate license. And the
license was very simple. You give any podcast who's a member
of the network, the permission to play the song on their
podcast, and what they had to do is put your information in the
link in their show notes and report on the system that they
had played it when they played it. There was no money changing
hands. And it was quite it was quite successful, a lot of
people were really into it and there was a vibe going on. And
some musicians start to get some traction, but there was no
value. There was no way for the value to to change hands. So
that part is covered with value for value. We have value and
with the value time splits or once again, wallets switching
technology. That works when you say that to an artists wallet,
switching technology. Oh, okay. I understand what you're saying,
oh, yeah, I get that you switch into my wallet. Okay, I
Dave Jones: get it. It works on me. I like.
Adam Curry: And, you know, in 2007, we didn't have the same
level of technology for musicians. I have now you get a
Universal Audio Device or some other interface, you get a USB
mic, some headphones, you get some software, you can create
any just as good as any other artists. You still need talent,
you still need this. It's still creating music. It's not simple.
But it's it's technology has made it so this it's time has
come. And, and I so another problem. My experience from back
then was you know, it's not easy to create Even a weekly show
because you know, well how much is really available? Holy moly
the amount of music that has become available. In fact, I
have a monthly boardroom report from Ron Plouffe. Ron's over
there in the corner he always brings his his PowerPoint to the
board meeting
Dave Jones: third cousin was removed from David Plouffe, the
Obama,
Adam Curry: different spelling but yes, feeds with medium
music, Rose 40% In the last month 824 it putting that into
perspective, according to our statistician, Ron, we added 234
feeds in August, compared to only 90 in July. So this is
accelerating feeds with value block saw a corresponding bump,
adding 776 to finish it almost 15,000 prior to August, it took
two and a half months to get that many feeds. So the snowball
effect is fantastic. Because what you now have is you've got
artists going out there talking on podcast, where where the
where the music is played, and it's put into the wall switching
technology and and other artists hear it and the everyone's
talking. It's like what what what so cool, in fact that I get
a call from Jeff Smith. Yes, sir. Sir
Dave Jones: Sir Jeff Smith or Jeff Smith. Now Jeff
Adam Curry: Smith has been in my life since almost the beginning
of daily source code early days of podcasting. And he kind of
appeared in Jeff Smith. He's a Nashville guy is his he Jeff
Smith wakes up in the morning and says, Oh, I think I'll write
a hit. And and you can do that. And he's done crazy pianos,
that's been his main source of income, although he's played on
lots of records, you probably know, but he's a working
musician. And then when things get slow, then he goes back to
doing crazy pianos if you don't know what that is, it's it's a
bar there's many of them around the country but around the world
I would say you go in there's usually two P LPNs. And their
their pianos are back to back and they'll take requests from
the audience and they can just play it but then those people
are made they are and that but then they can play funny
versions. And I remember where I met Jeff was in Nashville,
probably. Hmm. I'm trying to think now. It was early on Hot
Pockets probably 2007 or eight I don't know. And we did an It was
no gender meetup so it must have been 2008 No, it's one of the
early no agenda meetups and and all sudden he's playing like no
agenda songs that he just made up.
Dave Jones: Oh, this is this is is he the origin of the no
agenda jingle? I mean, like is he or at least towards the
beginning
Adam Curry: of the What do you mean the jingle like
Dave Jones: you know the best part of waking up is that
Adam Curry: I don't know if he did that one honestly it's it's
so it's so hard to not have a second I have this so this is
this is this is something he did way back when I'll just play a
little bit of it
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join us
next
Saturday
Dave Jones: say this Yeah, so
Adam Curry: Jeff Smith just wakes up and is like, Oh, I'm
just gonna write this and he did an acoustic version. And that
but then I was like Jeff, do some jingles. And he's just
starting to do jingles and the funniest stuff. I mean, he's
done so much not just for for me, but you know, he'll do he'll
do openers for anybody for any podcast. I know the one
Dave Jones: that he's he did the one. build back better for
someone else, right. Yes. Okay. Yeah, that's a great one. Yeah.
Adam Curry: Well, that was that was during COVID.
Dave Jones: When that shows, that shows that artistry because
it's brief nearly is
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Adam Curry: but now,
Dave Jones: the genius right there. Yeah.
Adam Curry: So now with Valley For value. Now, I've been
setting him up with people and then he'll just do it for a
split in the value block. And it's been very enjoyable for
him. He like, you know, Adam, I kind of dig this, this is I'm
getting the SATs. And anyway, so an unlikely source comic strip
blogger, who also knows Jeff from from years and years ago,
that convinces him to upload some music to, to wave Lake. No.
And, and so Jeff and I are talking Yes, now, and Jeff gets
it. And he not and he's like, Oh, man I he's gonna get He's,
uh, Nashville is in such a rut right now. Everybody's playing
the same kind of songs. They're all playing on each other's
records. And it's just boring. It's just boring. And so we
start talking about about how this will all work. And he just
gets super, super, super pumped as as pumped as I am. And then
of course, as well, you know, how do I how do we get all this
work and how to do it. So well, we have no tool. So this is this
is the here's the good news. We got no tools. We don't know how
to do it. We've got no, we have no documentation. There's the
there's no, I was gonna ask you, Jeff. Yeah, Jeff make up some
documentation. So one of the things that you and I have been
talking about, because you know, right now we have wave lake. And
wave Lake is fantastic as a as a pioneering start. Couple of
issues. You can't do value splits, it's actually a huge
issue I think with with for music, because we are here, we
are going to circumvent the existing music industrial
complex. That means circumventing the money flow,
which goes into these dark organizations like ASCAP, BMI,
SoundScan, publishing labels, and you always have to sue for
your money and you created it. And the end of the day, you have
no money. We want to circumvent that we also don't know. But
then there's music side project.com, which is it's just
harder, you know, Freedom always requires that extra step. But
musicians are, are better than podcasters. Musicians will beg,
borrow, steal, borrow sleep on girlfriend's floors, they'll do
anything, anything to get their music heard. It's just a fact.
So what do I have to do? I have to learn how to code. Okay, I'll
do it. Just tell me just give me a notepad, whatever I have to
do. Yeah, so they're starting to figure it out. One of the things
that has been broken in the music industry is discovery.
Discovery became an algo. And what used to be discovery was
the DJ. And you would listen to your to your favorite DJ,
because he would play cool songs. And you would go now I'm
not gonna go way back, but you'd go to the sock hop. Why? Because
he would bring the cool records that he would be spinning or she
was mainly a male thing. And the DJ, the disc jockey, they had a
very mythical kind of special place in the music business,
which obviously turned into, you know, like, Hey, let me give you
some hookers and blow and play my record, you know, so there
was some issues there. But in general DJs would break records.
DJs were important, but it was still within this limited scope
of how many radio stations do you have? So they were kind of
the kind of the drunk guards at the gatekeepers door. Right? I
mean, yes, yes, yeah. And so they were a liability really,
for the gatekeepers. So we need to replace them with music
directors, playlist automation. And now, if you look at YouTube
and Spotify algorithms, algorithms determine what is
going on. And again, it's just repetition. So there are firms
and PR firms. Yeah, and all kinds of gaming of the system.
Yep. So you and I came up with this idea a while ago, to create
a top 100 For all of music, podcasts, all the songs played
on music podcast, WaveLight can only can only do a top of what
they're doing. And wave lake as you know, the way they're doing
it is Ainsley Costello is going to be on top for the next two
months, because she knew she's a breakout hit, you know, then
even number two is still going to be number two for a long,
long time. That's because it's based on number of sets, which
sets our total SATs, which is a very easy to game system. So we
thought since we receive 1% For most apps, there's one or two
that may not but it's all voluntary. With that it's not
it's nice to get the value but the value is very small compared
to the value of the information. So we know what podcasts the
track was played in theory, what podcast that track was played on
what podcast episode what the amount was, and if there was a
boost, it was a boost to Graham any message that was sent with
it. So I think King was a true representation of popular is not
how much but how many, how many people have sent SATs to this
song. And with that comes a unique opportunity to enable
people to drill into each entry in the top 100. And see messages
the booster grams, but also, what podcast was this song
played on? So now you're jumping around now like, oh, wait a
minute, there's a podcast that played this song that I like,
let me go listen to that podcast. So now we're
discovering podcasts and music, and it becomes its own its own
thing. And so you and I talked about it. And you said, Sure. A
typical day like Yeah, that's great. I'll make that hasn't
been that easy. Has it, brother? No. I mean, I've already
registered domain names. I'm reading I'm writing copy Dave's
going like, Hey, this is pretty messed up.
Dave Jones: The the script that builds this chart is an epic
amalgam of edge cases and guardrail code. It, it's
basically podcast Jenga. I mean, the nice thing is nuts. Like,
me, do you want to like, do you want to throw the me? Do you
want to throw the URL?
Adam Curry: before? Before we? Before we do that? I have a
question. Because it's just Tom, tell me what, what I'm looking
at. Tell me what, um, you see what I'm what am I seeing?
Because I mean, what's not complete? Is the the words at
the top, but that's okay. We can change that. But what is you're
looking at it right now. Yeah, I am looking at right now.
Dave Jones: Okay, so there it is. Yeah, what you're seeing is
if you click on the title, you know, that takes you to right
now it takes you to the podcast index. Right, right podcast of
that podcast. The it's ranked and you have you have the SAT
count as we as best we can determine. And then you have
the, the author of the podcast, which in this, you know, which
in the case of a music medium podcast is the is the the
musician.
Adam Curry: Okay, two questions. One album, is it ranked by
number of Satoshis? Or by number of wallets?
Dave Jones: Both. So the way the way it is supposed to work? Is?
Let's, let's see. So I'm trying to figure out how best to sort
of lay this out. So the way it's the way it's working right now
is the first it does, it does a calculation of a how many sets
that were received, divided by how many boosts
Adam Curry: total number of boosts or not number of wallets
by number of boosts.
Dave Jones: So it's basically it's the it's the number of
boosts, but the one with the greatest average. So so if
you're averaging high, if your average boost is high, you're,
it's, it's I'm taking that as a quality signal. Now this is all
very, is all very contingent in temporary, right. You know,
this, this chart may change algos every five minutes or so.
Okay. So right now, so what we did? So I did one, I did one
run. I haven't done anything with it since this morning,
before I left for work, so what I did was I did well, yesterday,
I did a 90 day run to build the historical stats, SATs sat
counts for all though, okay.
Adam Curry: Okay. All right, that that now I understand the
numbers a little bit. Yep.
Dave Jones: But then But then I added a seven day run that
aggregate that that added to those numbers. And to get them
to get it to be more current. So like there's a 90 day for
historical purposes only, but then it does a seventh it. Whoa,
the run this morning was a seven day run, where it looked into
and grabbed the number of the average boost amount coming in
for each show. It set that as the ranking. And then after it
ran out of shows basically, it rants you know if there's only
let's just say if there's only 25 tracks, yeah, that were
boosted in the last seven days. Then it goes and fills out the
rest of the chart with the historical data.
Adam Curry: Okay, so it's not actually the number of diverse
wallets but it's the average boost by number of boosters and
SATs for boost. Yes. Still scannable but much harder to do.
Dave Jones: I would I would think it seems like it would
take more you'd have to spend more to game it. Which it
doesn't help a lot. But well, you have
Adam Curry: to you have to, but it's not. It's not by different
wallets so I could boost I could boost the gram 100 times with
one wallet.
Dave Jones: Right now that's true. Yes. Okay, so we'll in the
read the reason that event I'm trying to head towards the algo
that you described it's been so difficult just to get the basic
numbers what are
Adam Curry: the problems what what is the what have our app
developers done to you? Show me and harm me on the app where the
app developer hurt you.
Dave Jones: So the okay we're where to start? I have a I have
a actually I think I have in my clips I think I sent you a JPEG
Adam Curry: have a lawyer's Oh yeah, they live boost to take a
look I'm gonna take a look at this JPEG
Dave Jones: okay. This this is the this is this JPEG is of
drive discard I see. drips got boosted boosted a song on
histogram ball Episode Five live. So this is a boost that
came in during a live episode which
Adam Curry: is where a lot of SATs flow to be honest a lot of
a lot of it comes in on the live show.
Dave Jones: Tons now what do you not this is what these look like
this is coming from curieux Castro I know
Adam Curry: what I don't see i What do you notice? I don't
Well, just because of the message. I know what this was
boosting but I don't know, the remote item.
Dave Jones: Right. But but there's it's even worse than
that. What do you what do you what else? I mean, like the
remote item. And that's a whole nother discussion. But the lack
of remote item. I was able to work around that. Really? Yes.
Adam Curry: Oh by by getting the the devalue time split data from
the feed?
Dave Jones: Yes. Yeah. Now, it takes 30 minutes to run of
course
Adam Curry: the feed changes and goods change. Mess. It's a mess.
Dave Jones: One thing you don't there's two there's two other
there's two other critical pieces of information that are
missing from this to the record that you're looking at. One is
the episode GUID. Oh, because there's not was not
Adam Curry: a well, okay, to be fair.
Dave Jones: There's not a good to be had a live item can have a
good but but the live item is ephemeral. So it's gonna go
away. So the the only way to track what happened for for for
me to go back and calculate this after the fact. It would have to
be the live item would have to be have a Gu ID and that Gu ID
would have to persist into the published episode as the same Gu
ID so that I could go back and know what is what. So I can know
that they match.
Adam Curry: Ah, okay, is there anything that can be done with a
T O V records that can help this?
Dave Jones: Well, the TLV is just is just a it's just a
reflection of what's happening in the feed right and the feed
that is not giving that information
Adam Curry: Yeah, but if the ephemeral nature of live is the
problem. So, the lot the live live shows are going to be an
issue in general.
Dave Jones: Right so So in the absence of so this is what curio
caster is sending right now during a live show. So in the
absence of a of a GUID for the episode, and the absence of a
remote item, remote feed good. I have nothing like it. If I could
have the ideal situation is the remote feed good remote item
good. Those were on there were gold right at our head. There's
nothing nothing else has to be done except in dinner. Just have
to do look up. So if those
Adam Curry: could be added to the TLV record, they could be
added technically, right?
Dave Jones: Yeah, yes, yes. Yes, for sure. For sure. The other
thing that's missing from the live is the timestamp. There's
no There's no timestamp value in this because live timestamps
don't really exist. They don't make sense. Right? For a lot for
less so that. So in the absence of remote item, good remote, PHY
guid in this TLV and the assets of times to have I just have no
idea. So there's many, there are many boosts being missed because
I simply can't do attribution properly.
Adam Curry: In that case, you just ignore them.
Dave Jones: I don't have a choice. Yeah, you have to like
this is this room drift goes one, two, this is 123,456 SATs.
Hmm. But it's I don't know how to I don't know where all I can
tell is it says it's going to daydreamer but programmatic way
didn't make that attribution and I don't I have no idea
Adam Curry: unless you go into the, the, unless you are able to
catch it in time to go in and get the value time split from
booster gram ball. Oh, no. Yeah, I guess you can get it from the
Okay, well, here's this is interesting. So when I do the
show live, then that show is published. So booster gram ball
Episode Five, the value time split should be the same as the
live. Does that makes sense?
Dave Jones: Yeah, for your show is probably going to be the
same, right? So if some other shows they may mimic totally
edit down their thing, and it may they may be all messed up.
So if, if, if the if the TV's come in for live shows, if they,
if they can put the remote PHY good remote item good in there,
then we're good. We don't have I'll have any other problems
right? In generally speaking, so trying to get historical
information right now was very difficult. Because in there at
the beginning, only Steven B's split kit. And curio caster Nan
live, were the only ones providing good road out. And so
what I had to do was take the timestamp. See and go so like
let's furnished for an episode of Bookstagram ball, let's just
say episode three, have to see that, get the feed resolved the
feed, figured out as booster Grand Ball, grab the timestamp.
And then go get booster Graham balls RSS feed, right? parse the
XML, find all of the value time splits in it with their time
ranges. Build a build a table of those. And then and then find
the timestamp where it fits in the range of us in the lookup
table to pull out the remote PHY the item remote, remote, remote
PHY good wrote item guid didn't do a lookup on that in the index
to find out the you know what that was? Yeah, so what show
that was.
Adam Curry: So this really doesn't make sense unless we
have the TLVs carrying all the information you need.
Dave Jones: It's a lot of it's a lot of work. And so it takes I
think I mentioned it takes about 30 minutes to do a seven to do a
run of seven days to get to for the whole build process to
function. Right. That's why I was telling you on signal I
didn't like I was trying to avoid database work. Because
this is already such this is already such a huge, like, bag
of scissors that I didn't want to get have to get involved in,
in database. But I will I mean, there's really only the only way
to do this right is with is with some database. And I'm gonna
have to do that. And just trying to save. I'm trying to get all
the logic right first, right before because for a while
there, I didn't even know what to save, right? Like I didn't
even know what to put in the data.
Adam Curry: I guess what I'm saying is do you want to would
it make more sense for us to say hey, we need this information to
be carried in the TLV before we can even move forward or do you
want to continue on this path?
Dave Jones: Now I've got the workaround for now. It's just
gonna have to be Xeno the language that I put at the top
is not it's not ideal, but it does it does make a point you
know, it's this represents the best approximation of how many
sets are flown to artists and it says the numbers could be higher
but they can't be lower
Adam Curry: now as I understand them, but the problem is the
gaming aspect if we're not doing it based on number of separate
wallets it's just gonna get gamed you know what I mean? Or
am I misunderstanding
Dave Jones: Yeah, yeah, cuz ya know, and understand what you're
saying and that can be that can be done for to an extent. I
mean, so like, so here's Steven Be like on that same jpg Steven
D puts in the reply address the reply custom key Republican. So
that can identify a wallet where we can say okay, this is a
distinct wallet
Adam Curry: Yeah, you don't have that information right right. If
it's always coming from fountain then you're just gonna get a
preimage I guess is all you get what else do you get? You don't
you can't identify the wallet.
Dave Jones: Right? Yes, because it's all key sin so you don't
you don't really know. So it but you could also game a different
you know, If we're if we're just looking at TLVs, which is all
I've been doing so far, I haven't dug into the actual to
really get to what you're talking about. And I wouldn't
have I'd have to dig into the actual lightning invoice and try
to figure out if there's anything in there that can this
distinct that I can key on. And I haven't even got that for you.
So I don't trust the DOB record at all. Got it. Somebody could
create a command line and just pump out to vase with all kinds
of fake information that is completely possible. There's no
way to stop.
Adam Curry: Well, the cool thing is, there's no prize for being
number one. You don't win anything. There's nothing you
get. Ah, okay. I understand everyone's thinking very
simplistically, as as as was I and I appreciate you explaining
this. I think it would probably be helpful if we let people look
at this, but that they keep their pitching to a minimum as
if not at all because already I've gotten the following
booster grams like my brother Kurt suggested making a chart
system based off how many wallets have boosted versus how
many SATs they brought in that way there's no easy way to when
interesting averaging all the different data rather than just
taking a single number like amount of wallets that donated
interesting. So there's a lot of people are people want stuff,
but they're gonna get what they can get.
Dave Jones: So so the, here's the problem with here's a
problem with key send in and why I doubt that there's going to be
a way to identify specific wallets reliably. And if you're
here's, let's let's just throw this out here. If if anti gaming
of things was was easy, or a solvable problem, most of the
problems on the internet would have already gone well who
wouldn't exist? This is not an easy problem to solve
Adam Curry: right. Now, the good news is the good news is the
gaming here. only benefits the artist. Yes, and if they're
gaming themselves, Well, you know, okay, you just jerking
off, congratulations. Because you really you're really not
going to get a prize from me. Now that said repetition, but I
look at the chart today. And I'll just say what I'm seeing
here. I'm seeing number one, Corey Keller, it's hard to feel
alive. Number two daydreamer Ainsley Costello number three
two ships Ainsley Costello then come to door falls at number
four. Don't forget me then. Surprising Bryce. At number
five, the bye bye boys home. longyi at six right in progress
at seven modern Marie signs and signals at eight lip service
mustache ride my favorite of the week, Sara Jade Solution
Revolution. This feels to me like a real chart because I
looked a couple of days ago and I saw Fletcher and Blaney all
over the place. Now they have their first entry number 12.
feels right to me. feels right. Now these are not these are
Dave Jones: totally instant messages. You're saying this
seems to match up with what you
Adam Curry: what I feel what I feel because I've listened to
everyone's podcast, I've listened to what everyone's
playing. It feels right, that there's stuff in here that I
haven't played. And this is a run of 90 days with a with a
weighting of the last seven days. Is that what you said?
Dave Jones: That's right. So the set the seven the last seven
days, should is always going to be pro is always going to be at
the top.
Adam Curry: Because cherry on top is number 18 on this chart.
And that's very, it's very possible. I mean, it's played
out right. It's like everyone's played it and now it's not
really being played that much anymore.
Dave Jones: Blush allies read above that, which makes sense.
Yeah, that one's kind of fallen off the rotation. Yeah,
Adam Curry: yeah. make sense to me? Do we? What I've been what
do you think? Should we should we tell people where they can
find that can just start taking a look at it and we really have
to change the language at the top though, because it's
Dave Jones: most worth putting out there because because the
the real
Adam Curry: well, you don't have the out you don't have any
explanation of the algo that that needs people need to
understand what the calculation is based on
Dave Jones: the the in regards to the gaming so the the gaming
of this it is sort of like this this chart is in is is in
arrears if you want to think of it that way. It it's it's
charting things that have already happened.
Adam Curry: How does Eric pee pee already find the URL? I was
going to do this as a whole like is so a solo celebration dash
bag
Dave Jones: The ILS go ahead until it's go ahead and,
Adam Curry: and okay, first of all we're going to we're going
to talk about it we're going to talk about publicly. Okay? I've
gambled that one off. There's two, two URLs. One is V for V
music 101. I forgot it for myself. And what was it?
Dave Jones: It's podcast index.
Adam Curry: Top podcast index dot top is the one I like.
There's also V for v top one hundred.com. Both go to the same
place. I personally like podcasts index dot top. For some
reason, it just feels funky. You know, it's like, wow, that's
weird. And it's easier to remember podcasts index dot top.
Yeah, this feels like, you know, what you're gonna see now as
people saying, Hey, that's not enough. So you've explained that
while the SATs will be more, we definitely need to put like
doesn't have to be at the top, somewhere at the bottom. Just
explain how it's calculated what you just told me. And then of
course, once we can have those drill downs into, you know, what
podcasts are this sounds like that's a way off, though,
because that's we're nowhere near getting to that.
Dave Jones: I've got, I don't know, it's nowhere near I think
it's I think that part goes pretty quick. The hard part is
the initial design of how to aggregate everything so that
it's accurate, right. And I'm almost finished. I'm sort of
almost finished with that process. I'm feeling better
about what these numbers look like, each time I do a run.
Yeah. Because each so so last night, all the last night, all
of a sudden, I'm like, but here's the way this progresses,
you know? So you go through, you do a run, you make some change.
You realize there's some problems, you make some changes,
fix some bugs. And then you find out that you're like, Oh, that
looks better. But then something else looks worse. And you're
like, Okay, wait, what? I know this. There's no way that cherry
on top only has only has 100 SATs.
Adam Curry: Now, how did that happen? Yeah. And how did that
happen? Yeah.
Dave Jones: So then you go back and you look and you're like,
oh, okay, there's another T O V issue. So like last night, for
instance. I figured out that in at some point, Steven D must
have made a change. And
Adam Curry: Steven be making a change his code? No, no, no.
Dave Jones: An ISO for this?
Course.
Adam Curry: Of course, that's what I love about him. Usually
right before no agenda starts. Yeah.
Dave Jones: So So at some point, he made a change. And the the,
what was coming through as the episode guid was actually not a
text field, but it wasn't an array.
Adam Curry: Oh, no. Oh, no. So you have to account for both
now?
Dave Jones: Yes. Yes. Enduring and an array. All right. Yes, he
thinks did at some point. So I saw it's like, all of a sudden,
so cov start coming through his arrays. And I mean, the goo is
right. And then and then they go back to string. So I'm like,
okay, workaround. And then, and then all of a sudden, magically,
I do another run. And every everything shifts around and
things look better.
Adam Curry: I just want to mention Ice Cube soup in the
chat. I liked this. We call this a velocity chart. I liked it the
velocity, the velocity of money, it was the obits velocity. I
mean, it's literally velocity of an algorithm that you know, to
be understood, but it's not most money or any its velocity. I
like velocity just as a term. I mean, it's great marketing, and
who cares what it means velocity. This is a velocity
chart. I like
Dave Jones: it. Yeah, little graph, a little graph.
Adam Curry: At the top, it works nicely with my velocipede that
I'm about to ride on
Dave Jones: this. So that every time you do a run, which again,
you know, it takes like half an hour every time so you have to
wait a little while and to go get lots of snacks between runs
into the each time it gets something gets better. As I'm
almost at the end of that process. I feel like where
things are beginning to consistently be feel correct.
Adam Curry: And this is the first time I've seen the chart
because we've been looking at it for about a week or so we can
have that it really feels right. Yeah, I don't know about the
numbers but just the ranking the diversity The the velocity VM
that I would expect when something catches fire that it's
going to start moving up our chart not because of the number
of sides, but the velocity. And of course, that's has to go
along with that this, by the way, thank you, sir TJ the
wrathful 33,333, that he's part of the door falls, etc. Thank
you for your hard work. Dave. Adam, everyone involved big
discussion today. Lots of think about exciting stuff. And most
importantly, God bless you both. Thank you. God bless everybody.
God bless Steven B. We joke about him, but we love him. We
love him. We love him. He Is he single handedly created pretty
much all the software that's make this possible at this
point.
Dave Jones: For sure. Yeah. So going back for a second. Go back
for a second real quick. And in the this thing is charting stuff
that's already happened, right? It's not you don't get how can I
say this? You don't get more money? Or more SATs for having a
shitty song. That's number one. No, no, because nobody's going
to nobody's going to listen to that and pay you for that.
Adam Curry: Right? So certainly not send you a message.
Dave Jones: Right, exactly. Hey, really crap. Keep it up. And
this, that's a good point. This is actually, so this chart is
catching boosts and streams both. It's not just good. Good,
good. Good. So you've already by the time you're on this chart,
people have already played your song and enjoyed it. Right and
paid you for it. Right. So that that's so the gamification while
yes, it is it is possible to go to it is very possible to gamify
the crap out of this and move yourself up the chart. I mean,
ultimately, it's not going to base but like you said, you
don't get any you don't get money for being on the chart.
Right?
Adam Curry: You don't Yeah, exactly. It's historical. It's,
it's almost like when you look at a chart, a stock trading
chart, just because what you see happen in the past doesn't mean
it's going to work the same way. The next time you click Buy.
Yeah, in fact, that rarely does the opposite.
Dave Jones: Yeah. And so that that's that's one thing to just
one thing to keep in mind. The other thing is like some pod,
this is some podcast apps, like pod fans. Sam, if your list I
sent Sam a message the other day, about about about this. So
the the some some podcast apps are not sending enough
information, just base information to them. Right. So
one thing we need, like, pod fans was only sending the
podcast title or not, that wasn't so it wasn't sending the
feed GUID, or the beat ID or it wasn't some basically sending
anything else that I could have been can't just go on title.
Adam Curry: A bunch of Indian developers What do you want them
to?
Dave Jones: Know? No, Mustafa is Egyptian always Egyptian.
Adam Curry: Same thing. Brown people come on.
Dave Jones: Yeah, so he goes, so I sent him that thing. And he's
like, Yeah, you know, we'll, we'll jump on this. So cool.
Like that's, if you're an app developer, send in the TVs make
sure that you're at least sending a base level Yeah, of,
of identifiable information. Even if you're not to the point
where you're ready to send the remote feed, good remote item
good yet, at least, at least for the show. Like if you're playing
booster game booster Grand Ball, at least send that feed good or
feed ID with it. So that I can then have the information there
to do the reverse to do to go do the XML parsing part. God
because things are getting missed. Oh, yeah. These numbers
should be a lot
Adam Curry: higher. And it's yeah, they should be and it's
important because we want people to know what app was being used.
I think this is a great statistic. You know, what what
apps are are important in this game, quote unquote game, what
podcast what episodes and this is all this as much as much as
we can get. That's where we create an incredible discovery
mechanism. Which is just it's so meta when you think about it
because you got DJs discovering so and I mean, this is where I'm
going I'm going to this chart like hey, you know, what is what
is this song? I haven't seen the song doesn't hit my radar.
Someone played it, who played it, I want to see who played it.
What else would they play?
Dave Jones: Now that's an interesting thing about this
chart is if you start to scroll towards the bottom, there's a
lot of music on here that I have not aware of. Exactly. I didn't
even know it existed, like long way by hurling pixels I think
that may have been featured on Michael Newman show
Adam Curry: Yes, I haven't played it I know of it. But I
really only know it from the chart. No, he was better by
Friday fresh know that no did not know that one day not know
that okay, great name pretty fresh. Now this updates well
right now it's updating whenever you do a run, obviously but what
is the planned update once a week once a day? What does it
mean every night every night midnight sexy, sexy, sexy, sexy.
Sexy, sexy.
Dave Jones: I've been called. Yes, I can understand. Sirens
call but just gente no, no yeah, there's no there's Robert Downey
but man like quick. Yeah, this I know this one. I know. Okay. All
right. There's so and there's a bunch of stuff on here that
Yeah,
Adam Curry: and it's coming from all kinds of places. This is
what's beautiful is not just from wave lake. It's from self
hosting. Stuff that people are doing literally themselves or
doing it through music side. project.com I love it. Shall we
till we take I have some thoughts about tools, which I
think is important. Next conversation to have. Shall we
play a little song just to take a break take a breather?
Dave Jones: Oh, I would love to they would love to play a song
for this beautiful piece of technology. Yes
Adam Curry: technology. And I'm going to since I spoke to him
last night and I want to give them a good experience. I want
to play a song by Jeff Smith. He uploaded an entire album and I
listened to this album I said Jeff I've never heard they said
oh yeah, it's from 2009 2009 It sounds like it's from yesterday.
Again Jeff Smith the Jeff Smith sir Jeff Smith just gets up in
the morning puts on one pant leg and he and he writes hits and
they're short and poppy which I liked. Here's gravity sir Jeff
Smith
Unknown: been sitting here thinking that gravity around the
universe reaching out and grabbing it's like gab or things
pulling me back you been wondering if it's on reality or
if somebody there was glad it means it's like everything's
cool in the backseat you
know, Campbell believe because it's true I've been staring at
the night sky wondering what's really keeping me under it. It's
like everything's calling me back to you
don't need to see a test got to believe in you know, I know that
you can believe it. Because it's just close my eyes and see scan
is everywhere think about gravity reaching out and
grabbing me and pulling me back so you can add gravity
Adam Curry: you sir Jeff Smith, gravity gravity gray is
Unknown: a beautiful piece of technology. Jay.
Dave Jones: So here's so here's the issue. That song, got lots
of stats, I'm sure. Yeah. But now after the fact is going to
be very difficult to attribute it because the connection
between the GUID the connection between what's happening now and
what gets published later where I have which is what I have to
do the attribution on right that is going to be broken.
Adam Curry: I'm sorry. Feel bad enough. You're bad now that I
played it feel bad.
Dave Jones: Damn use the this here's what would fix it
temporarily in the remote. The remote feed. If you're not ready
to do remote feed, good remote item good. If that's not yet
work it put the live item guid in there. Because then at least
I have the item still in the live items stay in the database
for a long time. I can at least then go back and reverse
engineer it
Adam Curry: right. Here's the good news that this live item
will stay in the podcast and 2.0 feed for a week. So you can go
back and and it's invalid Time splits in there. So hopefully
that'll help. So
Dave Jones: with the live items, not the Vitas was not in the
live item itself, though, right?
Adam Curry: No, but what is in the hold on what I do have you
there is Hold on a second. I have the what's the word I'm
looking for? I have the live value link is in there. And you
can get it from the live value link.
Dave Jones: Yes, in real time, though. But I don't think you
can get back and get it after the fact. That's like where
there's a real web. That's like a real time web socket.
Adam Curry: But it publishes into the feed, doesn't it?
Dave Jones: What comes out of the socket? Yeah,
Adam Curry: I have. I have the live value link. And that that I
think that's put into when we take a look. I mean, take a
look. Where's Steven? Steven B's got a real job. Apparently, he's
doing something like work.
Dave Jones: Occasionally he has to feed his family Boring,
Adam Curry: boring. Let me see. Where's where's the 2.0? Come? I
don't have this feed. Yeah. I don't have the hours. It was
weird. Can you take a look in the feed?
Dave Jones: Yeah, it is. Yeah, there's, yeah, there's there's
value block in there. But there's no time splits.
Adam Curry: But there's no live value link in that.
Dave Jones: There is but I'm just I'm saying that that can't
after the fact that only is that only helps you during the live
event itself after the fact your kid doesn't get anything useful
out of it?
Adam Curry: Oh, I see what you're saying.
Dave Jones: You can't query it for old data.
Adam Curry: Hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on. I think if you
look at well, how about this? How about if I give you the
because it's I think it's the same? Yes, it is. If you it's
the same hash. As I'm going to send this to you as the split
kit, Link. I'm just talking gobbledygook here, check this
check the signal. So you see this, it says split
kit.com/live. And it has a hash that ends in DC. So that's the
same as the as the web hook thing. And that will have that
information in there. I think, well that not have that
information. I'm just full of crap. No, no. It was no good.
It's no good. It's no good. Okay, I understand the problem.
Yeah, the good news is Dred Scott boosted 123,456. And he
put Jeff Smith in his message. So if you just do a GREP on
gravity,
Dave Jones: yes. Grip all the song names, you have to put the
song title in your email.
Adam Curry: But at least I understand the problem, I get
the problem. Alright, so
Dave Jones: the best way to fix this is put the remote feed
good, out of good in the in the TLV. That way, there's no
ambiguity. It's all it all just works
Adam Curry: cool. It's all running with scissors. People
all have it. Now, I want to, I'm going to do something here that
I'm suggesting. Well, I'm not even asking for approval, I'm
doing it. Because this is, I mean, for artists is one thing
we have done, we've always had this wonderful separation
between podcast hosts and podcast apps. And it's very
interesting, because you know, sometimes I hear podcast app
developer saying I should just be a podcast host. And then I've
got it all together, you know, like Spotify with anchor makes
so much sense. And then I just heard on the pod news weekly
review a suggestion that the podcast standards group, which
apparently still lives, that, well, they should do a reference
app, you know, where they were, they all get together and do an
app like Oh, man. So which I think neither is a really good
idea personally, but we do have this lag between what the apps
develop, and what the hosting companies make available. And
this is a really big one. Because if you look at how the
split kit operates, which is really the magic in this, that's
the only thing that's making this work, because this split
kid queries, all of the songs all the music that's available.
So you just you go in there and say, Okay, I want to play this
song in my show, whether I'm doing it live like literally on
the fly, because I know what's in there, I went in and got Jeff
Smith in the morning song and I added into the split kit. So
when this publishes as a podcast, that you know, the
three or like the minute and a half that I played will actually
switch to Jeff Smith wallet. Nice. And I could do that it's
good enough this tool that I can do it on the fly, but it's very
easy to schedule your your show and to hit you know, hit each
individual song so it adds that and then when you're ready to
publish. If you do it with sovereign feeds, it actually
imports it all man logically, it's all it's all very good. The
problem is, this has a lot to do for a hosting company. Either
they're going to have to integrate with split kit, and
you know, and use an API, you know, will that always work? Who
knows, you know, when something goes wrong with a hosting
company, that's when all hell breaks loose, because then you
have to have expensive people talking to people. And it's all
about customer service. So I would like to help deconstruct a
hosting solution for podcasters. And we're early enough in the
game, and that would hopefully act as one a solution to
something that hosting companies can look at and, you know, draw
their conclusions from. And they will also, of course, you know,
fulfill the dream of 10s of 1000s of value for value music
podcasts. So IPFS, podcasting, IPFS podcasting dotnet works, it
works. It works on two levels. One, technically, it just works.
I've had zero problems with with booster gram ball, which I
started from the get go. And it also has a payment system in
there. So everybody who's participating in hosting, gets a
little piece feels good. I have no idea if it's going to even
out if it's going to be even out the cost of hosting an IPF and
an S Note, I don't know doesn't matter. But at least you don't
feel like you're just being leached off of
Dave Jones: the hosting about roughly four gigs right now.
Adam Curry: Brian, Brian shows you. There's a real problem. And
James Cridland pointed it out. And I immediately went into
action on this. The problem is the way it is set up because
none of the podcast apps actually speak IPFS natively.
It's all going through one gateway ipfs.io, which is IPFS
labs. And honestly, almost every IPFS solution in the universe
goes through that gateway. Which means that yes, while you're
hosting, you know, you're hosting gigs and gigs, your
bandwidth is not actually being used. If the IPFS labs bandwidth
is being used, which is part of the problem, and they can shut
it off. They can say, hey, this is a violation, or we don't like
music, or we're worried or whatever. So I have tasked Mark
void zero, to set up an IPFS gateway on each one of the
server infrastructure that I own to create gateways, and I and
he's going to be working with Cameron. And I want to create an
IPFS gateway for value for value podcasts. Now with that means
that those gateways have to. So there's, I think it's
recommended 5%, whatever it is, 1% has to go to the gateway. So
we can't be getting a little piece of it, because it's just
is too much value that's being provided. And that 1% is
supposed to eventually by mark a new desktop, because he needs
new desktops. That's, that's my idea there. That's going to Yes,
we have enough bandwidth. So that's not really a problem. In
fact, it is usually the storage, that becomes a problem after a
while. Yes, so I would love to see sovereign feeds, split kit,
cast a pod, all of these different solutions all
integrate with this IPFS, which is within our own scissor
community, so that it will work out of the box. And you don't
have to worry about a hosting company. If you want to go down
this route, and play in the sandbox. There's no guarantees,
there's no helpdesk now, but you can at least say I want to
create a value for value music show, boom, I've got this, I can
immediately do it with sovereign feeds, split kids integrates,
and it all kind of works. And it automatically gets added to the
index. And you're good to go.
Dave Jones: Yeah, that makes sense. Yeah. Object storage is
cheap block storage, which is what this is, is not Yeah,
exactly. On a VM, you know, block storage on a cloud cloud
providers just in their virtual machines. Those are expensive.
So that's the you're gonna have to have you're gonna have to
have people willing to, you know, spend spend a little bit
of money each month in order in for that you have to be able to
get some of that back, you know,
Adam Curry: yeah. So that we all we already have working
perfectly well is is the storage part. And I love it. I see them
coming in all the time. I get you know, 20 SATs, 50 SATs,
whatever it is. Feels really good. It's like okay, I got my
Node running, I have no idea what the actual cost is, to me
but feels good. The problem is it was just very weak with the
gateway. So and this and the, the infrastructure that we have
can handle a lot. In fact, I'd say half of the no agenda stream
podcasts are already hosted on and I have no idea. So there's
plenty of plenty of room. And you know, he has it all set up.
So there's no additional cost to, to the bandwidth for us to
do this. But I transcribe FM I want that in there to tie it all
together, use your elf 402 SATs, thing, everything, we need a
place where it ties together to the people like Alberto and the
RSS, blue guys, and so they can see how it all comes together.
And that there I think there's an actual model in there, we're
just gonna do 1% Just to make it visible. I think there's a real
model in there for the hosting companies.
Dave Jones: Oh, so I haven't really checked my Hello, Pat,
since I started hosting IPFS and RayRay here on top five sets.
Thank you from pod News Daily for hosting Patreon. It's
Patreon exclusive content now in Spotify via IPFS. Podcasting
Adam Curry: you go? Cool.
Dave Jones: That's the first I haven't I just haven't been
back. I haven't seen it work. But I'm evidently getting set.
Adam Curry: Alex Kane says I want to see the source code. I
don't know what he's talking about. But the
Dave Jones: what source? Are you?
Adam Curry: I don't know what source he's looking for. He
doesn't
Dave Jones: wish I can show you the source code for the chat to
me for the charting script, so that everybody can have a good
belly laugh.
Adam Curry: What can you or is it just too embarrassing?
Dave Jones: I don't have it. No, I don't care about that. Man.
I've been putting code public for so long. I don't think I'm
immune to that now. I guess I'll have it on this machine. I don't
have access to but now I think I think that makes sense. I think
that makes sense. I'm trying to think of any machines that I may
have that I may be able to contribute. You know, well, the
gateway.
Adam Curry: Don't worry about it. This this is this is a good
gateway. There's three or four machines that will run it. So
you know, and it's not trivial, by the way. Turns out a gateway
is not entirely trivial. trivial.
Dave Jones: That may be that may be what Alex is talking about
the gateway source code. I'm wondering what what Cody is
using? Is there an open source game? Yeah. Oh, yeah.
Adam Curry: Now there's a GitHub and everything. But it's just
not trivial. Because you have to use we will have to use certain
hashes I think or hashtags or something so that people don't
abuse our gateway because we don't want it to be used for any
we just want it to be used for this. Nothing but podcasts.
Yeah. Not for people backing up their, you know, their drives or
whatever.
Dave Jones: Porn and movie election. Yeah.
Adam Curry: So and, and, you know, and also for value for
value podcast in general. I mean, work, it will work for
that as well. But I just love to see. We're going to try and
tighten that gap a little bit between. Okay, I just use
sovereign feeds or cast up. It's always the problem has always
been the hosting part. Yeah, that's all it's always the
problem. And I don't want to be a host right. Because again, I
know when it breaks the deal with this is broken. Sorry. Hang
in there. Standby. hosting company is a hand holding
company. Yeah. Yes, an education company. It's something very
different from what I'm proposing here. But I also want
to use it to show the model that this can work. They really can't
I know it, can.
Dave Jones: We, you've got a heart out at 230. And we can't I
mean, we've got I'm not even I'm not even a fifth of the way
through my notes. So
Adam Curry: what else do you have? What else gonna have to
pull it? What else do you have on your list?
Dave Jones: Well, I mean, got talked about the right radio
medium proposals. Found supporting both 11 I was gonna
get the wrong police stats page. Nos. noster. Labels. Proposal.
Adam Curry: Oh, my God, I've hogged everything.
Dave Jones: I'm just saying I think we I think we're gonna
have to punt to next week for the rest of this because we we
still got to thank people. Why
Adam Curry: don't you want to pick one of those and something
something one of those we can talk about,
Dave Jones: but we get a bunch of boosts and stuff.
Adam Curry: But I know that we may have we may have to punt on
doing a whole list of boost.
Dave Jones: Me like to get like three weeks worth of worth a
donation stuff to do. And then the other thing was that there's
very interesting discussion on that from Marco in them on the
accidental tech podcast about their ad stuff. I've got a whole
bunch of stuff I wrote down about the mean, we we can
definitely talk about that next week. But the I guess the radio
proposal, and radio medium proposal makes sense to talk
about right now time distance is in context. Sure. The because
because it kind of fits with the live thing. So if you have a
live only show, like 100% Retro it makes sense to have a medium
specifically for that because that is a unique, it's a unique
type of thing is a unique con unique type of content. But I
guess it makes sense in context to talk about here because we
need a way to record boost for that. You know, cuz we have,
we're gonna have a few things we're gonna be charted. You're
gonna have a live show this live, but like, I mean, we could
have a live stream a radio show, because that's what I'm
thinking. I mean, the booster booster grand ball really is a
it's a radio, it's podcast, but it's also a radio show.
Adam Curry: Wow. Okay, so let's define this because I know what
I'm thinking radio means is radio stations who want to
incorporate this into they want to incorporate value for value
into their revenue model. To me, the way I read the proposal, and
the way I've heard Sam Sethi talk about it and and this is
Alex gates proposed proposed it right? Yes, I'm, I'm just
thinking that he is looking at 100%. Retro. And here's the
problem. And this is a problem. In general, we're going to
there's going to be pain with all this, I'm going to say when
our pain is coming, this pain is coming and the pain while I'm
laughing. And the pain is going to come from the music industry,
they are not going to take this lightly, they are going to see
what we're doing as an attack. And they're going to hate us
they Yeah, because they're going to see money, money flowing once
they figure it out. And and I've already seen covers on wave
Lake, and I'm going to send my my prayers to wave lake that
they understand that covers, it's a non starter. It's not
maybe or if he is a non starter, anything that is licensed that
is owned by a label, a publishing company that is
licensed through ASCAP BMI, which, and now I'm willing to go
to bat for that, because I think that what I do with Bookstagram
ball, I'm not doing a performance. It is a physical, a
physical copy of a song that I'm making. And so that comes down
to who owns the master. And in this case, I'm just going to
presume that all the all the songs I play are owned by the
people who are putting them up on wave Lake. But if you all of
a sudden have a radio stream, and this pain will come to 100%
Retro to if you're if you're receiving boosts, then you're
going to have to pay someone a piece of that on the back end
because they're going to come for it. So the idea of putting
radio in there. So the way radio works is you you don't pay the
publisher you don't pay the owner of the master you play you
pay ASCAP BMI so and it's typically a blanket license, so
they're going to say, Oh, you have this extra income? Fine, I
need a piece of that. That's that's how they're going to view
it. So for me, it's really live stream it's live only. And it's
not the same as a podcast that does the podcast live and then
publishes as a podcast. Because these radios these radio streams
I think are typically not published as a podcast later.
Okay, does that make sense?
Dave Jones: Yeah, yeah, I see that so the radio medium is
really a medium this says this says you can what what to expect
from this feed is nothing but a single live item Yes. You're
never going to have a regular items and this thing is Alex
Alex leave the chat because I'd love to add a belt here he
Adam Curry: bet he ragequit after I called him out No no,
no, I don't think so. Don't quit on me bro.
Dave Jones: No, I think he I think okay, I think that makes
more sense to me now. Cuz I was thinking it first that it was
like a it was meant to define a show a podcast that was going to
be referencing other podcasts as its primary function. But now
it's like well that's it yeah, that's too far. That's too fuzzy
though. I mean, you you could go way down the rabbit hole with
stuff like that of defining mediums have all sorts of edge
cases of of things you know, I mean, like it what are you gonna
have a special book book, book review, review, you know, medium
time I have ordered he has like, Yeah, that's probably not right.
Adam Curry: Where's radio stream? Now? There's lots of
talk radio, there's Finance, Financial radio stations,
there's all kinds of stuff like that, which I and for me it's an
app things like, Okay, I'm in an app and or even on I love by the
way who did created who did the search drop down on the index?
Yeah, that was Steven Crowder has been beautiful, beautiful.
That makes so much sense. Like, okay, I want to look for a radio
stream. And I want to listen to something that's about finance.
And so I did I searched for it there, you know, or born Atkins
surface? Like, I think podcast addict. Does that already. That
put me to take a look, I think it's gonna mean look at my
collection of apps. I have more people. It's yeah, podcast
addict has a separate section for radio. And in this case,
radio stations, now it's actual radio stations. But it would be
something like that for a podcast app to surface. You
know? live radio streams. make sense to me.
Dave Jones: Okay, well, let me throw let me throw this twist at
you. Okay. So, I find it painful. Every week when I see.
I don't want to see the accidental tech podcast post on
mastodon.
Adam Curry: Yeah, we're going live and you can't get it in
your app. I hear your pain. I share that. Yes.
Dave Jones: It's like we're going live in 30 minutes. And
then you'd have another post that says we're live now. I'm
like, Oh, just put it in the feed? Yeah. Put it in the feed.
Yeah. So like, what if there was a feed? That and again, I've I
was tempted to just send a pod ping all out to create a bot, to
just watch for that signal that watch for that to to come
through and send a pod ping on their behalf? Just in a pub
paying for this? I don't see why it isn't? I could but it
doesn't. But the apps verify against the RSS feed and
validate. Right? So here's, here's the, this leads me to a
question. If there was a separate podcast feed, in this
instance, called ATP live, that had only it was a radio medium.
And it had only a live item in it with the next estimated
scheduled live date. And then there's a bot that updated that
with the appropriate data. And then pod paint. It's now it's
pod pinging itself. You see, it's like a it's like a second
port. It's like a third party feed referencing this other
podcast. And it's basically doing it on his behalf. But
there's only ever it's only meant for live, right? So it's
going to be that radio medium, right?
Or does it have to be a 24 hour live stream?
Adam Curry: That's when you say radio? That's what that means to
me. I mean, I don't I don't want to be writing the law here. I
also don't think that, hey, if ATP doesn't want to use the lip
protocol, then I don't want to use lip protocol is fine. No,
no,
Dave Jones: I'm gonna be sure that I just had that. Now I just
had that thought in my head, like, would that be something
that would still be alive thing? Well, I could see where people
might want to do that for shows that they enjoy.
Adam Curry: Let's look at a real world complicated example. Okay,
no agenda stream. That, to me is a radio stream, a radio feed.
It's 24/7. It's a mix of live pre recorded stuff. We're using
it right now. That is that, to me is radio, it's 24 hours a
day. Now, the schedule is very loosey goosey. But that's the
kind of thing that would actually be interesting. And a
lot of people have looked it nodes in the stream.com is a
beautiful community project. And it's mainly bemrose who is
managing it. And and it's very complicated because you know,
people have to get MP threes to him or he has to get them. I
don't know how much is automated people jump in. I mean, I've cut
in and accidentally cut someone off. There's all kinds of stuff
going on. But in combination with POD ping, that would be a
beautiful example of a modern radio feed. So it's not based on
a schedule because it's very loose like no agenda. Oh, maybe
we ended this time. Maybe we ended that time. But the minute
we end and the next show starts popping, boom. If you're
subscribed vibe to that medium equals radio, it should tell
you, hey, a new show was started. And with that, it
should be sucking in value blogs, all kinds of stuff. Not I
mean, it's it's like organized chaos. Basically,
Dave Jones: I thought at one point that the no agenda stream
had a feed and an RSS feed, but I don't see it. And I may be
kidding. That would be, that would be a way to that would be
a good sandbox for this,
Adam Curry: I think would be a fantastic sandbox. Because,
again, looking forward, I'm not so interested in the guy who
manages Radio One for the BBC, I'm more interested in bemrose
who's managing this chaos of God knows whatever sama and I don't
even know how he finds the time. But the only thing we have right
now is look when I go live, boom, pod ping, we're live
people automatically tune in they're switched in but to be
able to just have that thing on or go into at any time and the
hat know exactly what's playing maybe have a what's next even
though it's not dictated by time and then value blocks changing.
I mean, that's a modern radio station. To me a modern radio
station is an aggregate as a community of people who are
doing feeds doing shows live pre recorded music, the schedule is
impossible. So somehow this this radio medium medium equals radio
will enable the app to at least give you some semblance of
what's happening and some way to provide value back etc and to
have the links to different websites and whatever you know
what I mean and yeah, integrate in the hosts and the you know,
the people tag and all of that stuff. Yeah Steven Steven Be
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people because we were getting low on time. Let me
Adam Curry: let me thank thank a couple people have been boosting
live first of all, if you don't mind, we'll do those right up
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appreciate that. We'd
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you imagine that? That could do that could make a difference for
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Adam Curry: Thank you. Thank you so much. I love those guys.
Really is look. It's not the lightning community that's
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community.
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a month PayPal. Donation. They didn't drop. So we're this is
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see things continuing here. Yeah, we did get a one timer, a
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you says thanks for all the work and podcast index and 2.0. And
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Adam Curry: go yes. All right. I'm so sad that I love what
Nathan is doing with transcribe.fm. But he does he's
not able to do the automatic host detection.
Dave Jones: I don't know what your what do you mean host
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Adam Curry: no, no speaker detection?
Dave Jones: Oh, that.
Adam Curry: Can I really want to send my money to him?
Dave Jones: Is it a limitation of the back end that he's using
this?
Adam Curry: I think it's just the you know that it can't do
it. You know, it's not easy. By the way. It's not a simple thing
to do. involves manual work, because I just don't I don't
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Adam Curry: I like it. All right, we
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happy
Adam Curry: I wonder is that what is it Bucha I don't know
where that you taffy.
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I can copy this out into the chat and see if somebody else
can can
Adam Curry: can get to see if say emoji even works. Okay, I
got
Dave Jones: that posted into the
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Adam Curry: I gotta tell Franco's in Italy right? Yeah.
So I don't know if I told you this but podcasting in Italy is
poppin it's breakout pee everybody's pod talking about
podcasting all of a sudden.
Dave Jones: Oh, that's the whale the flag of whales.
Adam Curry: Oh, Taffy. Yeah. Okay.
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Adam Curry: But no good Podcast, the podcast where you do? We
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you do a podcast?
Dave Jones: Yeah, the word get around. Oh, yeah. Nope.
Adam Curry: Did like we have some wine for your curry in the
keeper podcast. Because I guess Spotify maybe promoting
podcasting there but some I think some Twitch guys start
doing podcasts is just one of those things. Podcasting is
booming in Italy. So I everywhere I went I said hey,
there's an Italian podcast that made by an Italian it's cast
thematic and it kicks butt. So I was promoting it.
Dave Jones: We got boots on the ground. This isn't his sort of
do you get an insurgency? Yeah, Italy. Podcast insurgency.
Adam Curry: Podcasts insurgency.
Dave Jones: Yes. Golden Dragon son is 2222 Road ducks. He says
on the topic of the for V what would stop us from doing this
for something like blogging? Well, nothing we've actually
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on that. Yeah, look at pod Golden Dragon. I'll see ya. Gone
dragon CISM boosted in great tune 2222 Thank you Golden
Dragon nice, mere mortals podcast or buddy Karen 2222. To
find out and he says such a tease to come back for one week
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Adam Curry: we didn't we didn't lie we miscalculated.
Dave Jones: Enjoy your vacation. Adam hope you had a blast. Joel
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Adam Curry: What is the link? It's a nostril
Dave Jones: LinkedIn nostril band. What is that? I don't
know. Okay, this is great. This is from Fia, Jeff, founding
member of the Ellen URL mafia. Nos RSS. This is his node RSS is
stupid, because you can't link to one specific RSS entry. All
these years podcasts have been distributed with RSS but every
single time someone wants to link to a specific episode, they
must hope the author has a URL for that episode. They can link
to or they will link instead to a page in the service that hosts
the podcast or on YouTube or god forbid Spotify. noster fixes
this
Adam Curry: Okay, all right. Great. Thanks.
Dave Jones: Moving moving along. Yeah. Those are my thoughts on
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Adam Curry: go Oh, you're welcome. I aim to please.
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speech y'all.
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Dave Jones: What's an iPod Shuffle? I guess we talked about
shuffles. I think I mentioned some 1701 for source pieces
feels more like a bizarre than thejournal Oh a little ERIC S
Raymond reference. Let's go on way back Proppy of this podcast
into truly scale in my opinion, you would need to start pulling
directly from the nodes and not use the gateways and will I
agree
Adam Curry: yeah, I agree to but that That's step two. Step one
is having a gateway that we that we control so we don't get shut
down. And step two is for the for the apps incorporate that I
don't know how hard that is, but it would be nice.
Dave Jones: Cole McCormack 15 492. Through fountain he
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America plus Yeah, had a great talk with her. Yeah,
Adam Curry: it was a great, great show. I heard it.
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returns to River City mystery podcast and his 5000 SATs. Thank
you, Matt. Appreciate that. And he sent us again 22 to 22 He
says love the concept of value for value. You guys are onto
something here. Question. Do any Bookstagram widgets exist that I
can add to my WordPress site so that listeners can boost it
directly from my website? Go podcasting?
Adam Curry: Is there something like that? I'm not sure Well,
Dave Jones: you could always get the you could always get Steven
B's code from
Adam Curry: yeah from
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Adam Curry: Yes, that's exactly right. That's the whole point.
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Dave Jones: I don't have the reference for with what tracks?
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Adam Curry: don't know because we don't have it in the TLV
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Adam Curry: He is doing work. I know he's doing okay running
with scissors man. That's what that's what I'm saying. We love
it.
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Adam Curry: He has definitely been running with scissors since
like, Could you please delete these 15 feeds from the index
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Adam Curry: We missed you for sure.
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my email says I had to open it read the news. We got a we got a
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Adam Curry: oh he's seen better yeah OYSTEIN Bay for Yeah, I
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lonely long time. Yeah, okay. Reference for sure.
Dave Jones: Thank you Austin. I'm so glad that opened the
email because we would have missed you until next week
Adam Curry: so even though we didn't get to even half of your
list I think everyone enjoyed your story about the road caster
I certainly did.
Dave Jones: Right away so
Adam Curry: no no no, we didn't waste a second No not a second
was wasted not at all I'm
Dave Jones: hurt in my heart because I wanted this to be a
humongous reveal in and like of Dave's got a road caster but it
just wouldn't work.
Adam Curry: You're going to get it you're gonna get it working.
You know, let's think positive the road caster pro oh two let's
go Monson causes positive Think positive Think positive is gonna
love that guy. Yeah, we should have we should have him on the
show
Dave Jones: he can tell me how to reset.
Adam Curry: So I'm going to show the dog and you know a dog
actually has stomach issues. So I'm gonna, I'm gonna get out I
gotta take her outside. So she's in squirt. And then I'm taking
it to the to the vet, I believe me, she kept getting up. I'm
like, oh, no, just calm down. You're good. You're good. Don't
Don't get up and squeeze it. So I'll probably won't have the
show posted until around four o'clock. Just so everyone knows.
Because you know, people are like so used to me posting it
right away. So gotta take her out and then get her to the vet.
Dave Jones: So but
Adam Curry: I still got to take her. We're not using that
goober. Or we're not using that as an ISO.
Dave Jones: Of course it was Bouverie they did that because
he's got the dirtiest mind on the planet.
Adam Curry: The problem is the ISO button takes the takes too
long. Let me see. I think actually have the ISO. If we can
get oh, there it is. Okay, let's, let's see. Let's see if I
can issue so I'm gonna. I'm gonna get out. I gotta take her
outside. So she's in squirt. I'm gonna get up. I gotta take her
outside. It's hard to ISO. Yeah, it's
Dave Jones: too much good. I
Adam Curry: got no way I can. Well, yeah, we'll use that for
next time. Uber. Yeah, because we had ISOs like an ISO score. I
mean, yeah. Dave brothers. It's good to be back with you, man.
Yeah, and glad you remembered my number. You're so mean. So
unnecessary. Hi, everybody. We'll be back next week with
another board meeting. Dave Have a great weekend my brother. Take
care everybody thank you chat room.
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