Adam Curry: Oh, podcasting 2.0 for September 15 2023, episode
146 We got analytics. Oh, oh, guess we're back once again time
for a board meeting, the official board meeting of
podcasting 2.0 in the only boardroom that can calculate
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podcast index.org, the podcast namespace, all the goings on in
the wizardry podcast index dot social. I'm Adam curry here in
the heart of the Texas Hill Country and in Alabama, the man
who spits out RSS JSON and OPML with a single breath say hello
to my friend on the other end ladies and gentlemen Mr. De
Dave Jones: breathe and Opie
Adam Curry: breathe in and he's breathing fine OPML file
Dave Jones: this Hey, shoot what the crap just,
Adam Curry: oh, wait, don't tell me we're going to do another 15
minutes of road caster?
Dave Jones: No, no, that is not happening. Oh, I know what I did
accidentally hit that started put something on top of my
keyboard and I accidentally hit the print screen and it took a
photo of the screen like with this camera shutter noise
Adam Curry: it's it's it's amazing that that actually works
on on Linux. You're running Linux, I'm sure right? Ubuntu.
Yeah, yeah, even on Linux Mint. i The other day I hit the by
accident hit the print screen on my Surface go version two. And
it took a screenshot it just brought up the actual screen
screenshot application and shot it I was quite surprised
Dave Jones: when it goes like in the good like whites the screen.
I mean, it's the as the whole thing. It's like you just took a
picture. I can hear
Adam Curry: whatever you're drinking is fizzing in my ear.
What are you drinking? Like this? Yes. What is it? That's
not a beef milkshake. Come on now.
Dave Jones: It's not it's a polar Selter Oh, calorie free.
Adam Curry: calorie free. Okay. All right. I'm sure it's real
healthy. We're trying to keep you alive. We're trying to keep
you alive. Dave. Stop drinking that crap.
Dave Jones: already. It's just It's just water is water with
carbon in it. So I'm like destroying the planet.
Adam Curry: Oh, man,
Dave Jones: I'm literally eating. I'm taking in carbon and
producing it at the same you are one ball of carbon. That's the
whole idea. Eating
Adam Curry: a beef milkshake. Nice. Nice, horrible nice. Is
Dave the other day said hey, man, how you doing with beef
milkshakes? Yeah. Yeah, got it. Is it good to remind myself to
have a salad? From time to time?
Dave Jones: That's what you That's what I said. You said
Harry as the beef go. And I was like, Yeah, that's exactly what
you sound
Adam Curry: like. Yeah. My whole life is surrounded by by
carnivores. Now everyone here is on the carnivore diet. So Tina
is on the carnivore diet. Our friends are on the carnivore
diet. My buddies in Dallas strongly. It was like, you know,
take the Greens group texting, texting pictures of their meat.
Dave Jones: Don't say that. Text Hey, text me your meat.
Adam Curry: I'm telling you. They send me all these pictures
of meat and like and there's not you know, we go out to dinner
and then everyone's like, well, what sides? Would you want?
Adam? You're gonna have all of ours. Like, okay, and asparagus.
And like the first the first 10 minutes of every dinner is about
meat.
Dave Jones: Well, Alex is mostly I think he's mostly protein too.
I mean, I think this verse it's, it's healthy. What do you what
do you eat besides meat? Potatoes. You're clearly not a
carnivore.
Adam Curry: I eat the beef with everybody. I mean, I love I love
beef, but then I'll I like a potato. Sometimes, like little
rice salad. You know? It's like, give me a little Oh, no, I'm
keto. I mean, ketosis. Okay.
Dave Jones: Okay, so here, here's this weird. So I have
this, I have this theory that is completely unscientific, but
that has never stopped me before.
Adam Curry: Now just look at broadcasting. Yes, exactly.
Yeah.
Dave Jones: Yeah, no, I have no basis to believe this, but I
don't care. So but I have this theory that you're that we we
each have an ancestral and I hate this word, ancestral diet,
that we have an ancestral sort of diet that that like so if I
look at my lineage, and I say okay, so I'm like, I'm I'm super
white by the way like, all of my family heritage comes from CAST
basically white whales and
Adam Curry: Oh, whales, the country. I'm sorry. Yeah, I
thought you were like, whales. Yes, the low belly of a whale
blubber.
Dave Jones: It's all I mean, I'm like, the I have this theory
that if you look at your heritage, and you say, Okay,
what did my ancestors eat? That's probably what you should
mostly be eating.
Adam Curry: I have a similar theory. It's but it goes more
towards what where you live to whatever ground you're working,
walking on and where you live. The you should be eating from
that ground in that that area. So Texas obviously beef. Yeah. I
think I think yeah, I buy into that, you know, but that isn't
that the whole keto thing is caveman.
Dave Jones: Yeah, that goes way that goes too far back that goes
that goes to
Adam Curry: pre close. Yeah, I agree. Yeah, he's
Dave Jones: like, if you go far back far enough, we're all
really no, we all came from the same place. But if like if your
heritage is from North Africa and mine is from Wales, yeah. We
probably we, you could probably get away with eating more of
something else, then I can't then I can't like, you know what
I mean,
Adam Curry: you know, what they say about whales, right. So God
was, well, Wales is in the United Kingdom. And when I was
flying there with my instructor UK is not that big. You can fly
around, you know, in a day you get get a lot of it in and he
would point down he said, see that there? That's Wales. He
says, even if your engine is on fire, you do not land there.
Why? Something? Something about the Brits and the Welsh it's
something doesn't gel. I'm not sure what the issue is, but I
took it to heart so okay, man, you got it. Never gonna land.
Dave Jones: Aim for the water. Yeah, it's just
Adam Curry: just crashing, you know, just ditch it. And
Dave Jones: I'm just in a pissy mood this week?
Adam Curry: Well, I don't I know. We've been friends for
over 12 years now. And I know your calendar and your count,
like twice a year it gets crazy at your office and it's around
corporate tax time, individual tax time, and there's probably
someone there LLC date that does, you know, October,
whatever. But September 15. Today is like the day I can't
believe you've been doing the show,
Dave Jones: though. Yeah. Okay. It's it's funny, because the day
of the deadline is usually, you know, you're either done or
you're not, you know, we kind of like, by that time most
everybody's pretty much finishing up. So there's,
there's a there's always a few emergencies, but it's usually by
that time, everything's calm down. I just like, you know, I
think I'm just aggravated by normal stuff. And then the
podcast news this week, has just like, made it worse today. Well,
you know what it is this so stupid and aggravate. This is
Adam Curry: the enemy The thief comes in, only to steal and
kill. He's that. He's just trying to distract you. I had it
this morning. Trying to distract you from the message. You know,
I had a really emptiness in with staying with their sister for a
few days. She comes back tomorrow. So I'm here with the
dog. The dog didn't want to look at me the dogs by the door like
Dave Jones: I can tell when Tina's go. I can tell when Tina
has gone Oh, without without knowing that Tina has gone okay.
Just by how you text.
Adam Curry: Really? The nature of my texting? Wow. Yeah. And I
Dave Jones: can't it's intangible. I don't know how to
describe it to you. But I'm like you said Tina has gone on like,
yeah, I already knew that.
Adam Curry: Well, it is true that I've I've known you know,
three times as long as I've known her. Now that's natural
for know for you now longer, I'm sorry, four years longer.
Dave Jones: Even tell you you've got there's a there's a certain
stride. In your in your conversations.
Adam Curry: Well, well, I there was just a whole bunch of stuff
going on. And I'm like, no, no, I just gotta reset. Because I'm
so I'm so so excited about the value for value music. And I've
been playing it and people are emailing me saying, you know,
you're right. I wake up in the morning, I have this these tunes
in my head. And it's not stuff from the radio said yeah, this
is exactly how it this is exactly what's happening. And I
just, I keep busy, like being amazed by how repetition just,
you know, what do we have now? Maybe five, six, maybe eight
value for value music podcasts? And I listened to all of them.
That sounds about right. Yeah, I listened to all of them. And you
hear this stuff like and you start humming it and it's like
yeah, maybe I should play that on my show. And you play it and
then now you've heard it three four times and now it's it's
even Tina before she left she was singing some songs like hey,
do you realize what you're saying?
Dave Jones: Or else and worse for me I did a live stream the
other day of Mitra of meeting like late like making some music
and GarageBand and because it just got like it's gotten in my
head I'm like oh, I've got some I've got some ideas for some
tune.
Adam Curry: Oh, anyway value for value music is bringing bringing
the musician better in your back to the surface. I love it.
Dave Jones: Yeah, and then I had to stop myself because I'm like,
oh my god, I'm already doing 15 You know I can't I don't have
time for this. So I better build on that. But but it I see what
you mean by it gets in your head and you want to go with it.
Adam Curry: So you decide do something more exciting like
output and OPML version of the top 100 Because that is sexy.
Dave Jones: It was exciting to me.
Adam Curry: No, I'm not. I'm not being facetious. I saw wait JSON
OPML RSS. Love it. The chart, it's exciting the way you the
algo, you set up which is based upon number of booths I think,
technically isn't. Can we just say based upon a number of
events? isn't a one minute payment also included? Yeah.
Which I think is fair is fair. I mean, it's I see people who are
streaming 1000 SATs a minute. So it's Oh,
Dave Jones: I bumped man up. I think I'm at five. I think I'm
at 500. At least on one app. Yeah. I got so many apps. I
can't keep track of.
Adam Curry: Yeah, it's, it's really, yeah, it's if anything,
I'm impatient. I'm like, Ah, we need this. We need that. And you
know, and I know, and I know you're busy. So I don't want to
inundate you like hey, why don't one thing I see is so anyway, so
I'm looking at the top 100 podcasts index dot top, and John
Ross is up on top. And this is a seven day rolling average, I see
it start to take down I see his his his numbers go down a little
bit, then all of a sudden this morning, MC Costello blows past
them goes from number two to number one, she was number one,
she went down the number two. So it's this real. It's like a real
time representation of what is actually happening in podcasts,
music, podcasts. And I just love it. And this also this other
stuff pops up. And then I see what was it down here at the
bottom. And then I see that, you know, Joe Martin, someone must
have played Joe Martin on a playlist. Because he got like,
one play one, play one play one play. And then that got me
Dave Jones: to thinking funny to see that. No, I
Adam Curry: love it. That way. I love it. And then then it got me
thinking like, Ellen beach.com, I don't know if it's, if it's an
I've been using lm beach.com, which really, it's even built,
he's built a pretty good app there. You know, and you connect
it to even on the phone, I could connect it to my Alby wallet.
And so I just say, after I finished playing a song stream,
1000 SATs and I can boost while you know 10 a booster Graham
while I'm listening, and like this should this should kind of
be the the playlist maker and people should be able to submit
the playlist that they put together to the index as a
podcast of songs. I'll step back for the enthusiasm. Don't want
it to get on my face.
Dave Jones: Yeah, no, I know. I agree that so that's the
playlists. That's why I wanted to go here next, because I
thought you had another thought to go there. But that that's, I
mean, that's where this is headed. His playlist is playlist
sharing. So start starting with the chart. But then if you can,
I mean, obviously, what's next is some sort of share your OPML
style thing, right? Well
Adam Curry: hear me out. Hear me out? Is it not valid for a
playlist to be in the index? As a podcast?
Dave Jones: Yes, for sure. That's what that thing is.
That's what that bill,
Adam Curry: okay. All right. But so I should be able to search
and say give me Dave's playlist. And should end? Yes. And now is
there a medium equals playlist? Do we have something like that?
Or does it go in as medium? Because I don't know if it
should go in as the medium tag being music or?
Dave Jones: I don't know. No? Okay. Well, this is good. It is.
So I thought You thought you already had sort of the concept
of this, it'd be good to explain it. So the medium is for the
playlist. Let me let me step back for a second. So what I did
was I took the chart, the data that builds the HTML chart, and
it just basically, in made an output other than formats than
just HTML is still all the it's the same data, right? So now
it's now it outputs an HTML chart. An OPML chart. The OPML
chart contain is is a standard feed live feed. Bull would you
call it what do they call it an OPML parlor? scription list?
subscription list. Thank you. Okay, so it's a standard format,
compliance, open compliant OPML subscription list with the
podcast namespace added to the to the XML so that we can also
put in a couple of extra attributes like the GU ID
Adam Curry: which is which and remind me to come back to oh my
goodness, I just I'm sorry, I just opened up the OPML in
freedom controller did pull it in. Oh, yeah. Oh, bro. But when
I click on OK, it just now just shows me the titles don't want
to click on it. There's nothing nothing's active. It has a
little It does feed icon as well. Oh, yeah. Yeah, but no,
when you click on it doesn't do anything.
Dave Jones: Does it not expand? No. Okay, it's probably because
it's sucking in just the feet. It's
Adam Curry: the identity. That doesn't matter. I was just
excited for a second. I'm sorry. You can still be excited. I'm no
longer excited about that. Oh, wait to be excited.
Dave Jones: Man, I'm so since I'm your way. So you have the
OPML feed subscription list. Is, is there now? Now. And then also
the same data is building an RSS playlist. So to my knowledge,
this is the first time that there's been a playlist James
may have done this, but I'm not sure. So
Adam Curry: when you say playlist is that just like a
podcast feed with enclosures?
Dave Jones: It is an RSS feed that uses instead of items that
he uses remote items, Oh, snap.
Adam Curry: Yes.
Dave Jones: Medium that there is not music. The medium is music.
L. So me music list. Okay. There's a corresponding list
version. Yes. So this is a meet this. This is a playlist of
music episode references now for
Adam Curry: like, extra credit. This extra credit class, this
will be beautiful. Because this is what I've learned from the
the sorted state of the music music industrial complex. It
would be beautiful. If a music a medium equals music l feed could
have a value block for the Creator. So that someone who
puts together a playlist, a popular playlist gets their 5%
or whatever it is, while the music is playing. It does. It's
Dave Jones: got it. It's got a valuable.
Adam Curry: Love you Dave Jones.
Dave Jones: You know what's missing from the HTML? I'm just
now looking at the chart. What's missing is references to those
other two formats.
Adam Curry: Yes, I intuitively I just went to V for V Music dot
OPML. Because I I know you remember 12 years. So I'm like,
Okay, I know where this is hiding. You're missing those
references. Really what what not to make it go completely crazy.
I'm not sure how this would look in in any of the other formats.
But when I go to the chart, and I see daydreamer, we I know
we've talked about it, I want to click on that. And I want to
open a sub page that shows me and booster grams and shows me
what other podcasts that has been played on in the past seven
days, whatever our timeframe is. That now that that would be now
you have mega discovery.
Dave Jones: Mega discovery. Yes.
Adam Curry: And those MD, Mike my delta omega. I know it's a
whole bunch of other stuff. I know it's it's like beauty stuff
that maybe someone else can do this. Maybe not database work,
right? You got to pull from the database.
Dave Jones: Nobody else is gonna do this because I can barely do
it. I just can't even understand my own crap that nobody else can
Adam Curry: see that's going to bring people in because then
they want to see the booster gram they send. And then when
they see that, like oh, hey, this song that I boosted played
on this other podcast. Let me listen to that podcast. Oh,
here's another bunch of cool songs. So now you're which
brings me to? And we I may have asked this question before. So
it may may be really stupid because it's a recursive type
question. Is it possible to have a remote item reference a remote
item?
Dave Jones: Wait, yeah, I felt like we talked about this
before. I mean, technically, yes. Is a good idea and not give
me
Adam Curry: what happens here. Here's, here's, here's what I
was thinking. Because we're seeing is, I'm not sure it means
like
Dave Jones: having an HTML reader is like having an HTTP
redirect that redirects back to itself. Like, you can end up in
a loop. And like, technically, you can do it but you hear like,
Adam Curry: here he was my thinking. And this may this may
be just a stupid bridge I'm trying to create to solve a
couple of issues. But could you have a let's say there's a piece
of software that just does wallets and splits. Okay, but
you want to reference that from your feed. So to make it easier
for a lot of I think a lot of developers just a lot of
different things. If let's say I'll be for instance, they had a
split management system or any or wallet or it could be just a
standalone who revolute who manage wallets. T is trying to
see some some place where you can go in and create a value
block that I guess it doesn't make any difference. You know
what it is I saw this, this video. Okay, and this video is
been going around and I put it in the show notes is this. This
dude has been working with Bjorn from Abba. And you know, the guy
who has a very popular YouTube and he deconstructs music, and
the music industry. And he has this like studio with all his
guitars against the wall, I think what the guy's name is,
Rob, Rob's Yeah, something like Yeah, exactly, that's the guy.
And so they sit down, and they're showing how convoluted
the music business is. And this, so add the abbot guy, and this
other Swedish guy that built this app, called session. And so
all you have to do is you get the app, and it's connected to
the recording software. And so whenever you do even the
smallest bit on a track anywhere, it automatically puts
you in the in the system, it gets you all the, the you know,
the like the equivalent of ISBN numbers you need for the big
block black box that is the music industrial complex. And
it's literally the title of the YouTube video is why musicians
are broken, how to fix it. And, and, and it shows you that and
what is showing is this whole convoluted system, where you can
have eight writers on one song and the software tracks at all.
And I'm looking at it and go, that's literally splits.
Literally, they McCall it splits it, you split the split this
year, like we have all of this, except we don't have to link out
to this whole, you know, this whole system of collections and,
and you know, strong arming and nonprofits that really invest
your money before they pay it to you in 48 months, all this, this
weird stuff. I'm just thinking, how can we simplify that for
musicians? So it becomes obvious. And then now that I'm
saying I'm like, we just need to explain it better on the systems
that are hosting content, I guess, because I'm very
frustrated with wavelength that they don't have splits. I'll
just say it upfront. It's frustrating to me because it's
it's not showing the power of the system. That's only taking
the artists halfway and saying you know, oh, look, you know,
you can get paid but it doesn't say we're taking over the whole
convoluted system and bringing it into a simple transparent
published contract that any of the participants can look at at
any time with with money going directly from people enjoying
the music that people who created it. I guess that's where
it's coming from, like how can we circumvent that system? Get
around it because I'm so disappointed. I guessed that
it's not not there yet.
Dave Jones: That you know, that's that's in line with the
whole that's in line with the whole frustration I've had this
week with all the what frustrated me this week was the
digit just the whole digital ad supported. Podcasts, industrial
complex bullcrap. That was hilarious.
Adam Curry: If no one's making money. No one's paying money to
the creators. They're stealing it. They've all these deals that
were made with these networks all included guaranteed payouts,
which are now they can't even make the guaranteed payout. It's
crumbling.
Dave Jones: Yeah, it's just fall. It's just falling apart.
Yeah. And this is what gets me what gets me is the is the way
that it's communicated.
Adam Curry: Oh, yeah.
Dave Jones: Can we just say, can we just simplify this and say,
Look at look at any company. And if you if you really try your
hardest to figure out how they make money, and you can't figure
it out? They're not making money? Can we just can we just
say that they probably don't know either? Yeah, if you can't
figure it out, they probably can't figure it out, either. Or
they're, you know, or they're embarrassed to tell you as you
do, just like this whole thing. The the advertising based
podcast industrial complex lives in a bubble that they live in
podcast conference world, their number, their numbers are so
misleading, like this. So this just a couple of things popped
out at me just from James's coverage this week in pod news.
smi data from guideline which captures agency invoicing data
this is this is the crap that I hate these companies there's
like 100 of these companies that all want to get into in the
middle in in analyze your ad you know, do analytics and all this
blue or analytics I like that Yeah. smi data from guideline
which captures agency invoicing data says that podcast ad spend
grew 57% in quarter two how now tell me how is That ething
possible. Dropping. It says nearly one in four podcast
dollars were spent in the tech category. Okay. We know people
in the tech category who
Adam Curry: are scraping scraping by, yeah, who
Dave Jones: you are, who runs successful shows with large
audiences and who are hurting? How in God's name does this
bullcrap fit with what I see with my eyeballs. But if you
live in the podcast, conference bubble, or the divergent digital
advertising conference bubble, you start over time to think
that's actually what it really what reality?
Adam Curry: Oh, yeah, it's true. It's yeah, it's creating a false
premise,
Dave Jones: you stop being able to see that the quote unquote
industry is really just a collection of like, two strata
of businesses.
Adam Curry: Yeah. But it's such a small, it's such a young
industry, we're only just getting started, though. It's
your
Dave Jones: 20 year, yeah, you got a small group of established
companies that are on top, they have market share and revenue
and enough cash flow not to die. And then you have a much larger,
like tier under that of startups, that that'll say
anything necessary and produce any metrics necessary in order
to be acquired by that high by that desk here, yes. And achieve
an exit strategy or bullshit,
Adam Curry: or there's a lot of people looking for funding right
now. And so, you know, the, the appearances have to be kept up,
while the funding round is ongoing. And I know several
companies that are doing this right now, I mean, the most, the
clearest signal to me, because it it is a quote, unquote, free
market is podcast, one stock price that really showed me
everything I needed to know. And I think the the coverage has
been incorrect. You know, they, they then would they, it wasn't
a, it was a spin out not an initial public offering in the
classic sense where they raised 100, or several 100 million
dollars, now they spun it out. So it was already stocked that
existed. And I just put part of it into a into a separate
entity, and it was priced at $8. And the the true value is really
about $2.70 where it is right now. And I just want to I want
people to understand when you go public, and you and so there's
there was people holding stock at a value of $8 in a drop down
to 270. And, you know, people might have purchased that stock
for five, you know, in pre pre rounds or in employee stock
options, compensation. So this is severely underwater. In fact,
it's so bad that the from what I can calculate and it's a little
murky, the actual intrinsic value of the company based upon
its income is is more than the actual stock so this is telling
you that this is there's lying going on here
Dave Jones: that you're saying the book value of their assets
Adam Curry: book value. Yeah, correct. Correct. Correct.
Dave Jones: And that's, that's something they write Yeah,
Adam Curry: and it just makes it makes me very unhappy people,
the employees who have stock options probably at a lower
strike price than the $8 but I don't think it's under three and
I've been there I mean, I have literally been there with a with
my own IPO we went the first day went from $7 to 725 and then had
a slide down to the fours and worked for two years almost
really hard and reporting numbers and being proud we were
profitable one penny but we were profitable and you know and
eventually wound up going to you know 1314 But it's really really
hard and it just shows that there's no belief in in this
particular sector no belief and and the same goes for the
Spotify is the comparable you know the stories are everywhere.
Now, I don't think it's properly reported but
Dave Jones: I'll have to give it to James he he made it so this
cast media podcast one coverage he a fairly stated you know, in
I think it was in today's newsletter that, you know, hey,
this is not an isolated incident. This is there's
there's this is happening all over. And and he's right. I
mean, you have people that Nielsen is laying off 1000
people you know, but hey CPMs are strong. Casper cast media
implode is
Adam Curry: selling a B You see an ESPN but hey hey media is
doing well. Yes.
Dave Jones: How about the CPMs I mean like the rev the cat the
Cass media dudes like revenues per download fell off a cliff
you know but then we get this other thing that says you know
host reads you're doing great in PR laid off their whole podcast
crew but downloads are up
Adam Curry: on Spotify laid off their entire podcast group.
Dave Jones: Yeah, it should be no but so but hey, the script
ball squad cast so everything's great. It's this. This is all
just a bunch of exit strategy. Everyone's talking Yes, the
podcast industrial complex is just a navel gazing exit seeker
the Silicon Valley hang on in there. They're in they're all
using this like this other big story this week. That was
annoying was the like this arts AI and Clara toss the two
companies I'd never heard of. So I go looking into one of these
there everybody was all hot and bothered to tell you to declare
toss acquired arts a I like, Okay, another exit strategy
bullcrap thing, I'm sure. So go look into, like, what do they
do? Oh, it's tracking pixels, there going to be attribution.
You know, an attribution is so accurate because, you know,
we're everybody likes to add, you know, MGM is like you sent
me that article, MGM is now claiming the their ransomware
breach was now it's the run now is not Russian. He's attribution
attribution. Everybody wants. So like, this is all just a bunch
of what what the RSA? I think it's, it's a tracking pixel.
That's what that's that's their whole business is a tracking
pixel. And it's a bunch of stalker level. Crap. And I hate
it. I hate all of it. We'll just admit that Spotify that just
didn't mid Spotify came in with a billion dollars. Yeah.
Distorted everybody's decision making process. In the podcast
industrial complex. The podcasting industry is not
fundamentally different than it was five years ago, before
Spotify came in here. A high roller showed up and everybody
got greedy. Yes. At the end of story. Failure. Yes.
Adam Curry: And that's why people say it's a very young
industry, because they really go back and say, well, it's really
only been going since 2016. And it really got rolling with Joe
Rogan. But yeah, it's all based on exits. It's all based on
exits, and we're in we're in a, we're in an interesting spot
right now. With value for value. Okay, let me step back and say
one thing I've said all the time, because I did it, I went
through this curve. And it wasn't just early or anything
like that. In fact, podcasting was front page news everywhere.
In 2007 2008. It got snowed under once the YouTube
acquisition happened because it was $2 billion. No one's No,
that's all everyone cared about, let alone what would it cost
Google to keep that running? until they finally had some
revenue going? You cannot monetize the network. I've said
it time and time again, it does not work. This is an inherently
decentralized medium. Can you as an individual podcaster make a
living with advertising? Yes, most definitely. But it's only
going to work. If you have direct contact with the
advertiser. They understand what you do. They're a part of either
your community, I've always seen it kind of like bridesmaid
magazine. I think host reads are the only way it really works.
And it's dangerous, because you can lose, you can lose that one
advertiser or those couple of advertisers. But it just has
been proven, you ride the wave, you have to ride the wave the
wave up and you ride the wave. But it has been proven time and
again, that you can't do it at scale. You can't then Spotify
tried it at huge scale, put a billion dollars into it.
Everyone Everyone agrees it failed. And there's there's all
kinds of reasons that that happens. The main one, I think
is that they they distorted the whole business model by paying
exorbitant prices for creators and producers and had to man yo
had Neumann mics and, like, that's not the model. Now. It
just doesn't work that way. Now, I think, above tech podcast, you
know, they were doing really, really well and they had mainly
Linode as their as their sponsor. I think everything else
went kind of went by the wayside. This was you know, was
minor in what it was doing. And then Linode gets purchased.
People change, you know, so you know, you still have to run a
business. Not everybody has the right to earn money for their
podcast. In fact, I would say 95% of most podcasts are not
outstanding products, but they may be very valuable for you
Community for your club for your, for your school, whatever
it is, that can be extremely valuable. But trying to run it
like a replacement for the media business. It won't work. It's
been how many times do we have to say it won't work that way?
Dave Jones: Yeah, well, Somebody contacted me this week, and
somebody we know and said that, you know, they've got a longtime
advertiser that's, you know, supports them really well. And
now they're wanting to use one of these ad ad tracking
analytics companies to put their one to put a like a prefix.
Yeah. into their, into their down. Yeah, they want metrics.
They want metric. They want metrics in that. And so, you
know, this person was like, hey, you know, I'm a little bothered
by this, because our, our, our podcast audience is very privacy
focused. That's, that's one of the things that we talk about a
lot on our podcast. And now I'm being asked to put in this
creepy tracking stuff in here. And and I don't know, but, but
if I don't do it, then I may lose the sponsor. Like, I hate
all of this crap. It's all so gross. Yes, I mean, the in you
know, you have these, you can tell, but you can tell because
the companies that are focused on this, they don't play ball
with podcasting. 2.0.
Adam Curry: No, because they need closed systems for
attribution.
Dave Jones: Yeah, and that, but they will tell you all day long
people like a cast, they will say all day long. We're open for
open podcasting, open podcasting, open podcasting. No,
your marketing company, your digital advertising company, and
you're not playing, you're not doing anything with furthering
the open podcast RSS specifications. Don't act like
you are because you're not here you are. You're in it to sell
ads, just like ever, just like all these other companies are no
different than any of these other companies. You just claim
to be because everybody's like, Oh, great, that's awesome. But
there's no if you don't ever do anything, then it's all just
empty words.
Adam Curry: Well, none of them are making money. None of the
networks that I know of see as becoming your blog are actually
pointed to you said this network is making money. But okay,
maybe. I'm not so sure about what that means. But there's so
many dynamics in a in a podcast network, that that just don't
work in a business sense. And that's because anybody can reach
the network. There's no, it only works when it's linear time
based media, like cable or broadcast television. It only
works when it's behind a paywall, and you see more and
more podcasts going behind paywalls for so called premium
content that this thing has always bothered me. What you're
listening to now is crap. Pay me for the good stuff. Yes. It's
like what a drug dealer? I mean, what is this? This is Frank, and
the good stuff is behind the paywall. So none of that is is
honest, none of it is good. A very small handful of people
will still only make the money and really for the listeners, it
limits the choice. I can't even I can't have 25 subscriptions.
Can
Dave Jones: I'm already having to make decisions already. And
I've only got, you know, four or five of these things. And I'm
already like, Okay, I'll get like, what if I want to replace
one with another, I have to make a decision, like paywalls
paywalls, don't do what people think they do. know, they, they
aren't what you think they are, they only stop the people that
wouldn't have paid you anyway, from listening,
Adam Curry: which is the same as value for value, you're not
going to get everybody to send you value, it's only going to be
three or 4%. It may be the same three or 4%. Who would pay for
it. But it's amazing. If you ask someone to subscribe, and it's
$5 a month, that same person probably would have given you 15
If you just ask them, for you for them to help you out. That's
my experience.
Dave Jones: They had that long conversation on the accidental
tech podcast the other day about their advertising being down and
what you know, what do we do? Do we increase the price of the
subscription? You know, and I was like, no, no, no, no, no.
Take the lid off. Just take the proper, the proper solution to
this is not to raise the floor. But to take off the ceiling. You
know you don't don't like don't raise the floor up so that you
exclude even more people. Take the ceiling off. Let people pay
whatever they want. You're gonna have some you're gonna have some
people that will that will only pay you 234 Or five bucks a
month, or when or whenever they want. But you're going to have
you're going to have some small percentage that's going to pay
you way, way more than In the $8 you're charging for your pay
wall. It's it's just like the pay wall just doesn't function
the way people think people think that the pay wall is a
solution to give them like a stable monthly income. But it
can't the street look at the streaming videos look at the
streaming video channels like Netflix, Paramount Max, yeah,
they are, there's, there's a subscription churn that's
happening, people are bailing out, it's not, it's not going to
make you any more stable than you would than it would if you
just did value for value disabil the stability is a is a it's a
fog, it's a myth, your your value for value, where you just
open it up and say you just pay me whatever you want. That that
is that's gonna give you more rev is gonna give you more
income, and less of this bailout stuff where you constantly have
to manage these memberships and all this and it's gonna less
it's gonna be so much less frustrating to your audience.
Adam Curry: That said, I think there I'm gonna go back to music
for a moment because there is a this opportunity of music and
podcasts is so large is so huge that everybody can benefit
artists first and foremost, and I think we'll see a free market
develop between the wallet switching. So if you have a
playlist, I can see where someone has a very popular
playlist and they put their wallet share their wallet
switching share at 10% instead of 5% because they just they
just bring in that much value if you're on that list. I can see
the same working for podcast right now everyone kind of has
it at 95% for the artist but together we can completely
replaced two industries at once the music discovery industry
which is radio playlists algorithms, to a degree perhaps
YouTube and the music industry itself and and the proof here is
that there is no difference between what we're doing and
what radio is whether you're playing one song and your
podcast just because you like it because your your your a God
cast or you do a sermon and you play a worship song. Whether
you're you know whether you're doing full on like music, radio
stuff, everybody can win and then the world wants it. We are
typically very behind I see RSS blue. Dobby does a great job on
on getting music to upload but I want to warn everybody for
something. And so this is what got me down a little bit this
morning and then I realized that this was the enemy's work. So I
wrote an article for Bitcoin magazine for the paper Bitcoin
magazine. And the latest episode latest edition has come out and
my article is not in it. What I've been informed is there
instead is an article called Gimme Shelter withdrawing the
music industry by Craig Deutsch. And in it is everything wave
Lake boost Joe Martin everything except podcasting. 2.0 Any
mention of what we're doing? Really? Yeah, I have not read it
myself. So but um, so But I already understand what happened
there.
Dave Jones: And this is a bunch of I'm not mad,
Adam Curry: I'm not mad. I'm not mad. I'm not mad I am. I think
it's great because it brings attention to what we're doing.
But we have to realize that there are venture capital funded
companies who believe believe that it is just people going to
a website and clicking booths that is making this happen. And
we have the data to show that that's not true. It's coming
from these podcasts that that are switching wallets, in the
podcast. And that's what's getting the big boost and mainly
from live podcast. I mean, behind the schemes, all the
blueberry stuff, this is where it's all coming from, you know,
booster gram ball, and this is what is exciting and because
it's so good. You're seeing an industrial complex that is that
is trained and is been built that who come from an industry
naturally trying to do what they know and that is recreate the
industry but they're doing it poorly. So in as much as I love
what wavelike has done. Not having Blitz, and, you know, I
don't know if it's coming, I hear it's on on the roadmap, but
I hear I hear, you know, more talk about noster than I hear
about, you know, something that's actually working, which
is okay.
Dave Jones: You know, I mean, but you know, and, and on noster
you get stuff like the Fiat Jas rant about how horrible RSS is
and it needs to go away. I'm like, this, this is all so
stupid. Because the the RSS based podcast ecosystem is a 20
year mature, content delivery system that already works you
have, there's nothing to build people. There's nothing there to
build, it's built, it already functions. And you're gonna
throw all of that away, and go into this relay based noster
thing that we don't even have the time note, you can't even
figure out, you don't even know whether your posts are on one
relay or another. This is all so stupid, is the bit I love
Bitcoin as a protocol. And as a as a specification, and as a
currency. But the people within the Bitcoin world can be just as
toxic as anybody else. They aggravate the crap out of me.
And they are not this this benevolent, you know, own
freedom loving people. They're just as Vc addicted as everybody
else.
Adam Curry: Correct. And right now, there's only one VC in that
world. And and that's Jack Dorsey. Yeah, he's he is the VC.
So what I realized from this is, we have to go back to the same
way we started with value for value for podcasting, we have to
evangelize it. I know that what I what I want is I want to
communicate to our hosting partners in crime, that this is
not taken care of, by, you know, one or two websites that allow
you to upload some music half ass and, you know, and, and, you
know, there's all kinds of things that haven't been thought
through, like, Why does Ainslie Costello have three RSS feeds
instead of one, you know, is that the way it's built? Is that
the way it's communicated, you know, all things that don't make
a lot of sense. I'm glad that all of it makes its way into the
index. I'm super appreciative that it's all RSS based, but the
opportunity is, is walking past because I can just see the
meetings or not, you know, it's like I or whatever, you know,
where's what we desperately need right now today, is we need
hosting companies to enable people to add remote items in
their feed. And I know it's like you got to sit down, you got to
be wrap your head around it. But if we and I'm sure RSS blue
seems to be ahead of the curve, but even Dolby das like Nah, I'm
not there yet. And we have all the API's, you can ping podcast
index, to search for a song and then add it to like, Okay, I
played a song at five minutes and 30 seconds, here's the name
of the song, I can see it already in my mind, in the
publishing interface, click, it's added and the remote item
is added into your feed. That's, that's the tool that we need.
And until we get a groundswell of that, you're gonna see
failure, the failure of artists being disappointed putting music
up not getting a lot of traction, because we literally
can't create enough podcast to build the industry. That is that
is, it's I mean, I'm sticking my tongue out. I'm licking the
cherry. I taste it. I can taste it. Right there. It's right.
It's right there. Thank
Dave Jones: you for that image. Yes, yeah.
Adam Curry: And the to be fair, we have great tools, we have
sovereign feeds, we have split kit, but that's obviously
overkill for most people who just want to do a music based
podcast or want to add one song into their existing podcast.
That's that's the low hanging fruit. Hey, you can play this
song and share the share the value with the artist just by
clicking on this button typing in the song and hitting go add
it to your podcast, that's literally all that it would take
just to have that would increase everybody's value everybody. And
and, you know, this is very typical. The media has grabbed
on to what the media knows is old school way the old fashioned
way thinking that tipping is working somehow. And, and
there's going to be attention and money flowing toward it. And
that's what that's exactly what the enemy does is trying to
distract us and get us all mad about it. But I want to pivot.
And I want to appeal once again to the hosting partners. And I
will work and be in any meeting just like we do with value for
value and or even any, any part of the namespace will will talk
with your team, I will talk with your team. So we can get this
implemented. Because the opportunity is enormous. The
amount of tracks being added on a daily basis is mind blowing.
The quality of the music is is off the chart. It is in fact,
every single song that I'm playing our hits, and people are
singing these in their head when they wake up in the morning.
This is this is a new uptake for podcasting. That has not existed
you most podcasts don't have music, turn on the radio, do you
hear the difference? This is what we can do. We can
completely create new industries that anybody can benefit from if
they just want to play in the open system.
Dave Jones: Yeah, so you know, I mentioned I think I mentioned
last week, you know, audio books is next. Absolutely. Meat and
medium equals medium equals audio book you have. So look at
what's in the index, we have hundreds of feeds, from Librivox
and independent contributors to opening a two that have recorded
audio books, hundreds and hundreds and hundreds. One good
audio podcast based audio book app, yeah, yeah, we'll blow the
doors off. And then you add a value block in it. And now
they're not just doing it for free now they can get some some
value. Yeah. And it just exactly the same as music. This, this is
the the pod the RSS ecosystem is so rich, and so beautifully
constructed. And and so fully functional as it is today. All
it takes is little tweaks to get to blow this just blow the lid
off these things. Yeah. And it made that that is I would
encourage I really would, I would encourage people to stop
trying to please stop trying to reinvent things and just in Look
around you. So our RSS, RSS is is free. It's open. It's well
supported. It's got it's just XML so every there's got a
million libraries that already work with it. It's it's simple
to to wrap your head around. And it there is absolutely no reason
to ignore it as a distribution mechanism.
Adam Curry: I'm gonna I'm gonna tell you this the first hosting
company because I mean right now I'm promoting sovereign feeds
and split kit, which is it's just daunting. It's daunting for
people but the early adopters are coming in and I'm promoting
their shows as much as possible. But the first hosting company
that enables this for music, I am going to bring 1000s of new
customers to your door 1000s I promise you the first the first
500 will be frustrated radio DJs because I got I've got him
sending me their shows. Here's my show. I don't understand what
to do. I how do I do the wallet switching technology What do I
do? Can you do it for me? Yeah, I'll create a feed all hosted
for you. Adam curry does not scale but
I will bring 1000s of new customers to your door. And if
you add music to it, I will bring 10s of 1000s of new
customers to you do I want to hear James Cridland say this
week? Could 50,000 new podcasts were created with music on
Buzzsprout now that's the kind of stuff that we that is that is
for the taking here for the taking nearly everything we do
oh there's not a lot of new podcasts being created. It's
down Yeah. Hello. This is your new market. The tam is endless.
I love saying Tam. What is Tam? total addressable market? No,
that's a VC word. I slipped it in on you didn't I? This is the
opportunity. This is the opportunity and you know what
artists they will also pay they will pay for a good wallet for
good for a good to see their booster grams to you know to
really get a good experience and to be able to manage their music
be able to change things, reorder things. Put you know
have a feed that contains layer bricks, and all of this Why are
you laughing? Why you're after?
Dave Jones: The trolls are
Adam Curry: I surprised too much. So, the API is there, it's
all there. In fact, I'm gonna go into you know, I use em air list
for, for my system, which is this German guy is closed
source, but he has just one guy and his whole community,
Dave Jones: this your, your entire okay, this is the entire
the entire Adam curry stack is is is a series of software by
quote this one guy might be a German guy. He's just the German
the German guy.
Adam Curry: Yes, yeah, that's right. Yeah, and I'm just trying
to tie all of these little one guy outfits together to make one
thing. And so, you know, I realized that here, I have this
beautiful playout system, and it has a REST API. And I want it to
query the index. So I can do a search, find the song and play
it and drag it right into my playout system, instead of
finding the song going to the index, downloading the song
naming the song, you know, then dragging it into the playout
system. I mean, this is the kind of stuff that that brings magic,
once you have their disc jockeys using the software, once they
see oh, I can tie in this whole this whole category of music and
why wouldn't this thing output an RSS feed or, or the value
time split block all of this stuff? I can see it in front of
me. Anyway, this is a big so this is a big, big, big market.
Dave Jones: Okay, so what What tool do you need in in in their
list?
Adam Curry: Forget about me. I don't I don't want to I don't
want to complicate things. I'm covered. Okay, I can use the
Split kid. It all works. You know, I got to jump through
hoops and the extra hand while I'm doing the live show. And
that's just a touch myself, because I'm so excited. But
really
Dave Jones: what Jeff, who's saying that song by the way,
Adam Curry: to vinyls, the vinyls. When I think about you,
I touch myself. Yeah. And we're there and I just want one one
hosting company to be able to query the index for the song
that someone played in their in their show during the during the
publish process. Oh, you played a song? What was it? This is the
song. When did you play it at this at this time? It's not it's
not that hard. Make it a part of the chapters process. You could
even do that perhaps. And then boom, pulling the remote item.
It's all there. You're good to go. And, and suddenly you have
people knocking down your door who are like, Hey, I hear from
Adam curry that this is the place I can do my music podcast
show. That's it. And and then maybe although I'm big fan of
the of the sovereign hosting, and I love the community, Steven
Bella, setting up with the music side project, I adore it. I
really do. It's so beautiful. And it's so tailored. I mean,
there's your example right there. Steven Steven takes a
piece of that he's got his own business going. He's smart. He's
taking a piece of the value block was suggested even I don't
think he's taking it. He's saying hey, would you put us in
for 5% He's going to beat you but it's gonna take it's gonna
take a long time if the hosting companies just sit around and
don't do anything. Because it's you know, it's complicated or
whatever wave legs got it covered or noster No, no,
Dave Jones: I feel bad I brought bitchiness to the show today.
Adam Curry: No, no it's not everything is good. Wave Lake is
good. It's all good.
Dave Jones: It's just the Bitcoin the Bitcoin bro fast is
not good. I'm done with that grab the the Bitcoin. So you
know like Pura Vida, bro economy economy I hate that crap. I'm
totally done with it. I'm just I'm just so fed up with the
whole thing. Well, well nice of them not publishing your article
and instead publishing some VC VC back scratch article. That is
That's very frustrating. Today
Adam Curry: Yeah, but this but I'm, I'm it's forgiven. It's
okay. I understand. It's actually good. I see it as a
good thing because it brings attention, but I want our
community to understand that the opportunity is there. Let's not
just let it slip away and then only be harder to get back each
time. The artists are excited. I'm getting people send. I have
I use pod page for carrying the keeper for histogram ball, some
friends of mine use it. And, and I've never ever, ever received
any kind of feedback from it has an automatic like you can fill
in a message a feedback form has a contact form. And I didn't
even know it worked there, but you just fill in your email
address, you fill out a message and there's no subject and all
of a sudden, I have five emails a day through this contact form,
saying, hey, music Yeah, hey, can I can you play my track on
your show? I'm like, No, but if you go to music side
project.com wavelength.com. And now I'm adding RSS blue.com send
me the link once it's uploaded, and then I'll take it into
consideration. Five a Day. And he even got one mom was like,
hey, my son. He's been working on this for a long time. And and
I have uploaded his music to wave Lake, could you take it
into consideration for your show?
Dave Jones: Did you? Did you tell her go put it on noster?
Adam Curry: No, I didn't. So when I these are signals, these
are big signals that I'm getting. And I'm very excited
about it. I just, it's what we do here is we have to, you know,
evangelize in this case. Like, here's what, you know, and use
words like wallet switching technology, you know, instead of
value time split. You know, these are these are things that
that trigger people go oh, in fact, our long lost data yo, Roy
from breeze had a nice chat with him. No. And I said, Roy, let me
tell you what's going on. Because he's been doing stuff
he's busy. He had no idea was happening. And and he's I know
what he said, I love Roy. I said, Roy, this was happening.
Value time split magic wall wallet, switching technology,
music on feeds value for value. And he said, You know, I've been
thinking what to do with the breeze? Because, you know,
they're they're really going towards a lightning service
provider model. And, you know, that's for him to explain what
he's doing. And maybe we should have him on the show. Or we
will. He said, Adam, what you're talking about here? I'm going to
do it, because you were right about podcasting. And I was very
on the fence about it. But you were so convincing. So that's
why he put podcasting in the breeze and breeze still is still
used for for podcasts for value for value podcast. He said I'm
gonna do it. And I said, you know, boy, why don't you blow it
out? You know, why don't you really make it like, like what
fountains doing? Found doing some interesting stuff with
their new music tab. You hear is
Dave Jones: when Roy when Roy says he's gonna do so
Adam Curry: he does it? Oh, he does it. Yeah. And, you know,
it's like the the fountain music tab is is phenomenal. I mean, I
have a lot of feedback on it. But, you know, technically, you
now have subscribe to an artist feed. In fact, now I can add
songs to my music library. I can create playlists from it. But
also when something new shows up from an artist, it's going to
show up in my music tab under that artists just like a cool
just like a podcast. Now it's exciting. A couple
Dave Jones: of things that we need though, this. So let's talk
about needs here.
Adam Curry: I need a good spanking is what I need.
Dave Jones: Now you're baiting I so sorry. So we need lyric, we
need lyrics, um, in the form of transcripts. So in a music
medium podcast, the transcript becomes lyrics. And we need more
of that that is so and so that's one thing. There's I don't see I
don't think I see any of that out there yet.
Adam Curry: What's fun and funny. If you look at booster
grand ball, and you're looking at and you look at the
transcript while the show was playing, my transcript is
actually transcribing the song lyrics as it goes along.
Although I would think it would actually as a remote item, he
would bring that information in I have a feeling that remote
items are just bringing in value blocks title a closure I don't
think they're bringing in the full Monty and there's
discussions to be had there of course, because you know, you
don't want to bring in chapters if you have chapters.
Dave Jones: If you had lyric if you had the JSON you know word
by word. granular level timestamping format of
transcript Yeah, then I mean yeah, that's that's like full on
bouncing ball. Yep. Yeah, karaoke. So karaoke style. Yeah,
you can get you can go all the way with that thing. We need
that we also need the liner notes. Yeah, just RIP in the
description music side
Adam Curry: project is all over this, by the way, Steven Bell
has all that. And if I can just say, Ellen beats is my favorite
app. Ellen beats.com has everything. It has music shows
that I can listen to. It has recommended music that is new.
It has the top 100 It has a search function. The only thing
as a as a small side note is when I'm on the recommended tab,
or I'm on the Search tab and I click something I listen, I go
back, it scrolls all the way to the top, it doesn't remember
where I was. Other than that, an outstanding music app. I've
created playlists. I you know, I I've never I don't listen, I've
never even listened to music for the past 20 years. And now I'm
creating playlists. That's why I want to export this playlist,
you know, like I click this and it's in and I want to see who's
listening to my playlist. I mean, I'm my mind's exploding.
Dave Jones: Yeah, we're, we're working on trying to figure out
how those playlists can contain a little bit of metadata, but
not so because what you get in a playlist currently for the for
the music l medium, oh, what you get is just a list just a list
of remote items with with good references. You don't get like,
you know, title author. All right, right. Right. Right. You
don't get all that which, which is, so it's doing its job
properly. But you know, then Steven bass said yesterday, you
know, this, I'm gonna have this in the, if a playlist has 100
songs on it, I'm gonna have to make 100 I'm gonna have to do
100 resolving resolvers.
Adam Curry: Right, this is a technical issue that you you've
been thinking about. Yeah, and so
Dave Jones: they, you know, the original idea was, these are,
it's like DNS, or if I mean, you're gonna, you're gonna
resolve this GUID, find the feed URL, and all the metadata that
goes with it, because the GUID can change. So really, I mean,
technically speaking, it is doing its job as you know, but
then Alex said well, why don't we we could put some metadata in
there and then put expand the remote on tag with like a TTL.
So after a certain amount of time, right right, it's time to
limiter that it's out of date. Yeah, like maybe go look it up
again and go check this
Adam Curry: idea Yeah, I all my TTL is 10 minutes.
Dave Jones: DNS Yeah, you're tight you run tight ship over
there.
Adam Curry: So I hate it whenever I go in like I'm going
to add something to my like a CNAME or something and then set
to an hour and if I screw it up and only have to wait a whole
hour or so like No, no, no, no one minute one minute tight baby
tight.
Dave Jones: Back in the old days, man the details on DNS
records were like, you know, minimum like eight hours
sometimes you know, yeah.
Adam Curry: And then you had to call the client and say the DNS
is propagating,
Dave Jones: propagating in every sysadmin Evers like, Oh, you
just got to wait for it to propagate it could take a couple
of days and you have no idea you just believes bullshit and the
whole thing, but that the other thing is is the Ainsley Costello
interview that Sam did on the pod news show
Adam Curry: See, this was a perfect opportunity for wallet
switching there you know it's like interviews Oh, my god man.
The interview shows I can't wait for interview shows.
Dave Jones: Well the let me we since we're we're already doing
it when we have guests on this show we give them a split right
but I'm not a value time split
Adam Curry: split right but I'm talking about the value time
split for instance Sure, sure. As we are about to demonstrate
because I thought felt it was way overdue for the pod sage to
select a song to play on the podcasting 2.0 show better known
as the boardroom in that and now we're you were already
anticipating this question or I was
Dave Jones: I had one locked in I was I was ready to get one in
the chamber
Adam Curry: but you want to tell us what we're going to listen to
here
Dave Jones: we're gonna listen to heaven knows by somebody be
arrived have
Adam Curry: a ride day right so here's what Dave said he said
Why yes, I do have a song ready. It's a little heavy though.
Really. Baby Musa?
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carried out
Adam Curry: Yeah, that's what we call a hard out right there I
want to point out mess
Dave Jones: me up is the band. The band is called it.
Adam Curry: Eero hero? Yeah, um, yeah, I want to point out that
the awesome work that is happening here. So the minute I
played the song minute I hit start, I hit the activate button
in my playlist on the split kit, which means the wallet switches
in real time and it also makes a little mark for me. So when I go
back, I can import that into sovereign feeds for the for the
feed. This there's a something called the Split kit relay,
which immediately spit out the title of the song, a link to
where it lives in a link to the live the live split kit
interface so you can listen to the show live. I mean, that's,
that's, that's an IRC bot or whatever. That is bad ass.
Dave Jones: So okay, what, let's do an analysis here what what's
left what is yet to be built and not? Not on the hosting company
side? Clearly they have work to do. What is what's left to be
built? Specifically for me? And what what do I need to do with
the chart? Or with anything else?
Adam Curry: Okay. It goes hand in hand. My my wish list is the
chart is booster grams and what podcast this was played on.
Because that will that will only make more people want to make
music podcasts. And when you have more music, podcasts,
there's more places your music can get played. That That to me
is discovery. That to me is growing. Growing a market
growing an industry growing a market is really what it you
know, it's a it's an open, it's an open space where everybody is
sharing songs while sharing value because my biggest fear is
to get people playing songs on podcasts and and there'll be no
wallet switching and it's just going to be disappointment.
That's my biggest fear. Really not too worried. I mean, hey,
you know what, God bless him I hope noster and zaps adds a lot
of value. I really do. I hope a lot and I think there's a place
for not for noster the social network but I think there's a
real place for for noster based identity that can be you know,
you can own your own audience and your own noster chat room.
There's all kinds of stuff that I can see but that's not what we
do. We do RSS stuff. So I want to focus on what we do. And
Dave Jones: I hope the overall noster ecosystem gives a lot of
value to music I hope this specific people with within the
nostril ecosystem that hate and denigrate RSS I hope they get
gonorrhea
Adam Curry: No I'm just not going to go along with that day
Dave Jones: that it's unnecessary
Adam Curry: you really don't mean that you really don't You
don't mean that I know I don't mean that you don't mean that
Dave Jones: I just don't I just don't like the idea that in
order for for for the in order for my stuff to win your you
have to lose that mentality. I hate that.
Adam Curry: I haven't seen that that much lately. So it's still
out there.
Dave Jones: We read we read that thing from Theo Jeff last week.
I don't remember on the show that booster group is somebody
linked to it in the booster gram and it was just this tirade
about RSS and how stupid it was podcasting that that? I think I
can't get that out of my head.
Adam Curry: No, I think it's just nah. Okay, come close. All
right, turn up your headphones Dave. I'm going to read you have
this evil demon be gone be gone and Austin demon be gone. You
don't have to worry about that's just people who are ignorant and
don't understand. They don't know what we're doing. And you
know that they're just as frustrated as everybody else.
But they they have had their eye on a different solution and
haven't seen what we're doing. That's all that is. It's just
it's ignorance. It's okay. Now, the beauty is every single
Nastar person I'm with sam se doing is actually beautiful.
He's enabling so that you can send a zap through pod fans. And
then it turns into a boost. And it splits up and everything. I
mean, you know, it's a bridge,
Dave Jones: but just protective of the people, we got to get a
group of people who have done who have worked their butts off
for three years to create to create a system that is pumping
value into the Lightning Network. That they are the RSS
the stuff podcasting 2.0 in the podcast ecosystem, is pushing
lightning payments in a way that no other single thing is at all.
There was a time there was there was a point in time, where I
would say more than 50% of the Lightning Network traffic was
us.
Adam Curry: You know what's so funny about that? And you look
at did someone put that on podcast index dot social,
Bitcoin, the Bitcoin Conference? And they said, look at all these
great companies that are doing stuff with lightning and we're
not on it. No, it was like
Dave Jones: literally more than 50% of the Lightning Network
transaction volume was they just they act like we don't even
exist.
Adam Curry: They don't know. They don't they don't know
writing. Nah, don't Don't let it bother you, brother. Really?
Because we're building from the inside out. We're like, we're
like this alien this growing in their stomach is gonna open up.
Yeah, but that's it. You know, it took podcasting itself. It
took a good wow, what did it take? 10 years, almost, almost,
maybe 12 years before it really blew mainstream, you know, and
blue onto the mainstream with Yeah, it was some flukes. It's
just, it's what it is. It doesn't matter because the Vout
that's like DeVore I can I were talking about no agenda. No, as
you do, as we do, we have reach. Or we got really, we not just
have reached, like, almost a million people, but we have
quality people. And we do value for value. But what we don't do
is video. And because we don't do video, because let's be
honest, who wants to see two old dudes? As with headphones on,
you know, one of them's teresting half the time. It's
like no one wants to see that crap no more, but maybe they do.
I don't know. But because of it. It doesn't matter what podcasts
are mentioned in the news, politics, comedy deconstruction
space, if I can call that we're never ever mentioned. Never.
Never. And we won't be because we've just built our own little
thing. And, and, and it's beautiful. And we both have nice
lives and we love our our producers. And and I'm not maybe
I used to be many, many years ago, frustrated that we weren't,
you know, being talked about or you know, one on the front of
iTunes, but then I look around us and I have this, this there's
hundreds of 1000s of people who I've never met, who I now know
there's 100,000 more that I don't know of who are listening
who are out there is you know, what is what is the incessant
needs to be writing some wave? No, it just builds expectation.
And, and pressure. Whereas now, I do my show twice a week. I
love it. I love my work. I don't feel like it's work. I get
rewarded for what I do by people who truly appreciate it. That's
it. That's life. That's life, man. That's what you want.
Dave Jones: You've taught youth. This has been like therapy
today. You've talked to me, though. You've, you've talked me
down. You're right. I'm glad I no longer I no longer wish for
gonorrhea on anybody. No, no, don't. I wish
Adam Curry: maybe jbsa on their nose but not gonorrhea. You
know, just like a beat
Dave Jones: on various places, but not no longer wish horrible
diseases on these people. And I hope the Jeff has a nice dinner
as a significant other.
Adam Curry: But that that is that is the switch I made and
and it's it's just as weird as asking people to donate or
support what you're doing it especially coming from
mainstream. It's, it's completely the antithesis. But
I'll tell you what, I'd rather be asking people to support what
I'm doing in any manner, because they love what they're hearing,
then have to do an ad for legacy box. And I said like, No, it's
100 or have to worry or have to do a meeting that was really,
that's really our main thing is we hate doing meeting and I want
to meet with a client and the clients gonna be like, well, you
know, I didn't like to use gonorrhea. So you know, we're
really, we're gonna pull our ads back for a couple of weeks until
you calm
Dave Jones: down. That's not brand safe. That's no no,
Adam Curry: I don't I don't want AI scanning my transcripts to
see if I'm brand safe. None of that stuff I don't want I don't
want Yes.
Dave Jones: The only salvation of that is you most people can't
spell Gunga Rhea gonna be in?
Adam Curry: We'll see how the transcript does. Does, you know
obviously it's like, you know, I don't want to have to be given
30% to Apple or or, you know, 10 15% the Patreon or even to
pay pal really, you know, I want I want Stephen bell to make a
piece I want to Todd Cochran to make a piece I want. I want you
know, I want to the day right? You know, IRA to me, I want
everyone to everyone wins in our system. Everybody wins.
Everybody wins. There's no losers in 2.0 There's only
winners in value for value. Everybody. Everybody can tell a
secret. Yes. Yes. That's that it's it's Dare I say it's godly.
It is. It is absolutely beautiful is how human beings
were built and engineered to function together. It really is.
I really
Dave Jones: I needed this. I needed this because Sam's
building great stuff. Yes. It's building great stuff. Eric p p
is doing the Lord's work
Adam Curry: on on health. Up to date. Yes, he is. Yes, he is.
Dave Jones: He is He has put in a GitHub action just today, they
will automatically push to Docker build the image, cross
platform, build the cross platform image of arm 64 and AMD
64. And post the image to Docker Hub beautifully can be easily
more easily update, push updates to Umbral and start in I don't
know a start nine uses Docker Hub. I'm assuming it does. I
Adam Curry: have no idea how it works. I don't know. I do.
Dave Jones: Yeah, I mean, like this. There's, I mean, stuffs
getting built. I mean, I mean yeah, I mean, look, look at look
at happy, I'm happy.
Adam Curry: Look at look at these bots in the IRC chat. I
mean, all of this stuff. It just builds and IPFS all this stuff
that's being this is our ecosystem. And we're at we're a
snow slow roll and snowball just going down and I hope to bring
some established people along with us. Now that's it. But what
we're seeing now there's another snowball coming and it's
musicians. And they've been waiting for something they've
been they have been the literal but of the industry. They have
been completely ripped off jerked around lied to. I mean,
come on. How many streams that I have? Are you kidding me?
Dave Jones: That's like how many hits did my website gets exactly
Adam Curry: exactly.
Dave Jones: When coerce
Adam Curry: it to get they've been coerced into scamming and
cheating and using all these shady services and, and it's not
about it's so bad that they don't care about money. They're
used to not getting money. Now there's value I've always said
Sats are bigger than stats. You know when you when you just look
at your your lb wallet or whatever it is you're using and
use a blip blip blip you just see a couple SATs coming in
boom. There's a thought I was an amen someone sent me a boost. It
makes you feel good. It makes you feel whole makes you feel
like a human and a human on the other end, not some, you know,
stream click farm somewhere but someone who actually is I wake
up in the morning, because a lot of things I do first, but then I
will open up the podcasting, podcast index wallet. And I'll
just look and say, Oh, wow, this very moment, because I see one
set one set one set, I see oh, there's 25 people listening to a
podcast or a song right now. And they are rewarding that person
or that crew with value, and then rewarding us for
facilitating it. It feels good.
Dave Jones: Yeah. So one other thing is, did you see the the
proposal that that I posted about pinning an item? Yes, I
did you see this?
Adam Curry: I did? I did. I did
Dave Jones: see it. Yeah. Okay. So this, this originated with a
discussion on buzz cast by Kevin in them about this feature and
Spotify, where they get rid of these pinned items. So you can
like pin an episode to the top of the list. So when a new
subscriber subscribes to your podcast. Now, this episode is
sort of up top because you consider this like the the entry
point this is this. This is the one episode where you're like,
it is sort of like 100.5 or whatever that episode. Y'all
used to have no agenda where you're like, Yeah,
Adam Curry: this is the explainer the explainer. Yes,
exactly.
Dave Jones: Yeah, like this is the best place to start. So the
for episode for episodic for not things that aren't like season
based. So the they were like, well, this is like easy to do in
the open in namespace. So, you know, we did it as proposed it.
This would work very well in music is also fellow interview
with Sam, she mentioned that a lot of the music injury, they're
going away from albums and just going to singles basically just
dropping, dropping tracks.
Adam Curry: So you can say this is the hot one I want. This is
the drop I want you to pay attention to.
Dave Jones: Yeah, this is the one I want to pin right now.
Because when you subscribe to me or my feed or of of tracks or
whatever this is, this is the one that I want to be at the
top. Like it could for a while it could be, you know, cherry on
top, and then maybe as daydream or whatever Ainsley wants to be
sort of the intro track that she thinks best represents her music
right now. So I think I think it's a good, I think it fits
well in both the podcast, spoken word, traditional podcast,
medium, and also the music medium. And you could have, you
could have the same thing like you can imagine audiobooks you
could have, and I'm trying to get my mind to start thinking
this way. Whenever there's a new feature. I'm trying to force
myself to think, Okay, how would this feature look in other
mediums? Like just think, Okay, here's a feature, it works well
for podcasting, spoken word podcasting. What would would
This feature also be? Would it cross over well into audio book
music, film, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And I think this one
does, because I use imagine audiobooks. Let's say you have a
book of short stories. Which one? Do you want to be the top?
Right? You know, like, is there one that you think is a good
intro? Or something like that? So anyway, that's, I think that
I think stuff like that is how we go forward, sort of in
parallel with all the mediums sort of like
Adam Curry: it's an important feature. It's a very important
thing. Yeah, I totally see it. Totally.
Dave Jones: Yeah. So but just the just that larger idea of,
we're no longer just building for spoken word, podcasting. Now
we're building for other things, too. Yep. And it does, it
doesn't mean that every feature has to be equally applicable to
all the others. But I think if if if you're building something
for one, and then you say, Okay, well, could this apply to also
music and audiobooks?
Adam Curry: Right? We got to think that way. We got to start
thinking that way.
Dave Jones: Yeah, you're like, Okay, well, this actually could,
it could, but only if we add this new attribute that that
gives it a little tweak. Well, then we add that we add the
attribute. We do we do that, you know, we do the next thing.
Adam Curry: Yeah, I love it. Shall we? What are what are you
on time today? Are you on? Get back to the office on time?
Yeah, schedule. Let me yeah, let me thank a couple For people
that have been boosted live since we'll be doing the show
give you a little time to set up your your papers. Get your
papers in order 7777 A nice oh, I should have had this ready a
nice to striper booths from Sir TJ the raffle and where do you
boost that from he boosted that from podcast guru which is nice.
It does not yet have a a logo in my helipad, but I know that's
coming yet. Dave Jones boosted 2112 I'm just gonna guess that
was for the track that we played. It was Yeah. meters 2500
Music boost and 50,000 SATs from Carolyn boosting this heavy song
dig in this one. Can you put links in IRC please? Well,
lovely Carolyn. The split kit did that for you was put right
in probably around the same time you boosted Mr. Robot 1006 Great
choice de value for value music. A boob donation from Mr. Como
eight oh a Dave agree five by five about Nastar is a toxic VC
playground that Bitcoiners thinks zaps will save the world.
break break Adam not surprising shit coin VC magazine would do
that. David Bailey is clueless about V for V edits basics.
Thank you gents for busting through the podcast industrial
complex. Now, again, I bless everybody I want everyone to win
or whatever they want to do is good. I will support them. Clip
custodian 12345 love his lip Thank you clip custodian then
Sir Brian of London 35,784 Because it's a new year. That's
right. Rosh Hashanah the year 5784 hence the boost amount
Shana Tovah. from Israel Happy New Year. Shana Tova I think is
it showing up to have I think is the way pronounce it? That's
right. It's it's the new year we have apples and honey. Yeah,
with our Jewish friends.
Dave Jones: I've never had a hive Gabby mean to me. I'm just
ever
Adam Curry: that's true. 1111 short row of Asako satchel
Richards East Side Tony I'm starting to help onboard artists
to podcasting 2.0 By hosting content for them. I host the
artist album Songs and artwork for a six slash 94 split.
Artists get 94% of the split interesting choice. I like it.
No cost of the artists instant payments. Any artist interested
in collaborating? Email me? One Eastside tony@gmail.com Number
one East Side tony@gmail.com.
Dave Jones: This is a scissor infomercial. I like it
Adam Curry: is the business this Eastside Tony gets it. It's like
hey, I can do this. It's not easy to artists need hand
holding sometimes. I will do it for you. Beautiful. Oh, good.
Blueberry new music show debuted last night homegrown hits
featuring Dame DeLorean Mary Kate Ultra and Daisy B Cooper
melodic crew that is, this is the only music 2.0 show with
enough balls to play exclusively self hosted music is called home
grown hits. Alright, so let me hold on a second. I just want to
copy the URL there because that's something I want to
listen to. I listened to every single new show. I'm very nice.
Okay,
Dave Jones: he added it to the chart, this special chart?
Calculators
Adam Curry: Oh, yes, very good. Tone record 12345 pre boosting
for all this exceptional work occurring over the past few
weeks eluding all with scissors in hand. Thank you, sir. Then we
have a Chris You know, 12345 Thank you, uh, Chris, you know,
it's beautiful. I want to create my own playlist to share with
friends and get them into V for V music. It would be a
searchable feed that updates each time I make a new playlist.
I can easily do this with my music side project. I would
still maintain all original splits to the artists, how do I
best avoid gunking up searches with duplicate search results
for songs such as searches in lm beats.com or other music
players? Good question. That'd be the last one I got on my
list. What do we want to answer that? Dave? Do you understand
the problem here?
Dave Jones: I think I do. But it's we will figure that out as
we go through the process of getting music medium and music l
Rhea remote items pulled into the to the index. So we'll we'll
do that in a way that were probably just exclude them from
search. Yeah, not exclude the playlist from search, but
exclude the, you know the contents of the playlist. Yes,
sir. So you're not duping stuff. It's, I don't think it'll be a
problem. It's not a problem.
Adam Curry: Before we get into thanking some more people. This
is a value for value podcast, which means if you get any value
from the work that's being done here, if you get any value from
this podcast, send it back. However, you can time talent or
treasure. As you can tell a lot of time and talent is being put
into this entire project by a cast of 1000s we love treasure
you can go to podcast index.org. Down at the bottom there's two
red buttons donate buttons. I She haven't looked at the tally
coin and while people always said hey, I want to send you on
coin Bitcoin then you got a tally coin and once again, we
haven't had anything there since the 10th of July. But there's
also a PayPal link for your Fiat fun coupons, but we really like
you to go to podcast apps.com and grab one of the value for
value podcast apps, almost every single one of them does it at
this point, as far as I know, and you can boost to your
heart's content. And I want to congratulate fountain on 100,000
I think they call them comments or messages but I think I would
say the majority of those are boosts booster grams and again,
May a culpa I was wrong. In the beginning I thought that
surfacing booster grams would be a bad idea that it would
deteriorate the value and I stand corrected once again just
want to reiterate it's a great idea to surface booster grams I
love it. It makes it feel like there's you can build community
around these booster grams and I wish more apps did it
Dave Jones: i i love Oscar he's a great guy I've spoken to him
many times and it just congratulations I mean he's just
done some great work with found it II took on a very difficult
task right out of the gate being vie for V focused and you know
running running with scissors full bore hosting wallets and
all this stuff it was a hard thing to do and I just got a lot
of I got mad respect for the see we got we got oh we got to pay
we got one Pay Pal yay. We got from the team at blueberry says
go podcasting for the blueberry team $250
Adam Curry: podcast. Thank you Thank you team a blueberry I
love that and it's separate from Todd by the way that is the team
I think who agree that okay, we're gonna support the index
and we appreciate them
Dave Jones: as a we've got some booster grams we got in the
morning says that I sound terrible with the new audio and
he says you 100 Sound 100% Sound like a robot. It's hard to
listen to.
Adam Curry: Is that a new boost or an old boost? That is
Dave Jones: a boost from September the eighth at four
o'clock PM.
Adam Curry: Maybe he was drinkin because you sounded great on the
last show. You sound like a robot at all as you sound.
Dave Jones: I'd listen. I listened back to the show and it
sounded great. Yeah, I
Adam Curry: mean, yeah, maybe when you put it in someone's
head, you know, it's like I sound like a robot then people
hear you like a robot. Maybe not. Maybe it's subliminal.
Dave Jones: Well gene ever had boosted 5000 status and he said,
today's audio is a bit distracting, but it's not
horribly bad as some everyone else commented, good show.
Regardless, interest is not. This is not great feedback. I
don't.
Adam Curry: I'm telling you if you tell someone like yeah, my
audio is not good. People will hear it is not good.
Dave Jones: audio sounds great.
Adam Curry: Man, your audio. I mean, it's like it's like velvet
in my ears. Dave
Dave Jones: is he doesn't want it just like why?
Adam Curry: Why? It's like fine wine. It's like a chocolate ice
cream.
Dave Jones: Gene been 2222 He says I'm like y'all Adam. I
don't come close to my bandwidth cap on Linode each month, I'd
happily donate my unused bandwidth. Good.
Adam Curry: IPFS right. IPFS Yeah.
Dave Jones: Yep. Joe Martin music 2100 SATs through
fountain. No note. Thank you, Joe. My name is Joe Martin. So
they Ryan Hirsch is working on working with Cameron to build
like a remote IPFS management thing and the best I understand
it. It's so that you can host your IPFS podcasting content on
a node somewhere else but then manage it from a local local
machine.
Adam Curry: Oh, okay.
Dave Jones: I think you might understand as you can manage it.
I may be wrong, but I think it's like you could meant the the
IPFS podcasting code is running like on your own polar star
nine. But then the repository and IPFS daemon are in the cloud
somewhere
Adam Curry: and doesn't include a gateway the because I'm ready
to I'm ready to host anyway. I want to be a gateway as soon as
possible.
Dave Jones: See is a anonymous 22 330 threes for cast? ematic
No, no, thank you anonymous appreciate it mortals podcast.
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amazing. I would 100% use that 100% Come on Dave say it again.
You know you want to 100% 100,000%
Adam Curry: I got another 100% 100% Lee
Dave Jones: 100%
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Yeah.
Dave Jones: Down under law. 100%
Adam Curry: agree. I got a million of them. I got a
million.
Dave Jones: Becker vice chats that's a Richard 1111 Shawn my
brother podcasting 2.0 Hey brother.
Adam Curry: Hey brother boost boost
Dave Jones: boost. Chris last that would be Chris from Jupiter
broadcasting 68,848 cents nice boost boots on the ground
report. Jupiter broadcasting is distributing our office hours
podcast via IPFS podcasting and it's working well our community
is busy spinning up nodes to help support the network and
we're looking at firing up some gateway Yes,
Adam Curry: yes. Yes like the final
Dave Jones: piece to truly be sovereign with our
infrastructure fire.
Adam Curry: Fire FIRE I'm ready. Oh, cool, man. Very nice. Good
work. Good work over there. Jupiter broadcasting community.
Dave Jones: Did you also see their Jupiter station
Adam Curry: know what they have a moon base
Dave Jones: that's Brian know this they have the Jupiter
station is a live 24/7 radio like broadcast of their old back
catalogue. They're now using the lit they live item tag to
distribute.
Adam Curry: Oh no, I hadn't I'll subscribe that's kind of cool.
Dave Jones: Pod ping dot cloud token this morning so they can
paying for it. Beautiful. Sir looks a lot 13 370s through pod
verse he says May these humble few sets swell in your wallet
like a bad lithium battery. But with but with happier outcomes
for your pocket. I love what you all do together. It feels like
I'm witness to the birth of a profound and good thing.
Exciting and warms my heart. outstanding value dear friends,
more sets to follow Cheers.
Adam Curry: Thank you. We love Samuel
Dave Jones: W. Satchel Richard 1111 No note. Thank you, Joe.
Thanks, Joe. nega through pot friend. One. Amiga. Cool. My
Dutch is flawless. Yes, great. Six. Oh, Cameron. 65 535. Oh,
that's a what is that? That's
Adam Curry: in a chip.
Dave Jones: That's a word. Now that's that's the maximum
integer value of a word, which is 16 bits. So like
Adam Curry: entity, five like interplanetary was what was the?
What was that one the longest word? I used to know it by
heart. Interplanetary aneurysm no into. Man. I know.
Supercalifragilistic expialidocious. But then there
was the longest well look it up while you continue.
Dave Jones: Okay, the Yeah. The that's an unseen that is if your
16 bits is an unsigned integer. So just Oh, yeah. To clarify
that.
Adam Curry: antidisestablishmentarianism. antidisestablishmentarianism.
Dave Jones: No, that's like, that's like in for labs area.
Tech Metal 21 cent 5000 SATs through fountain he says, just
trying to participate. Here's what's in my wallet. Thank you
for all you do for podcasting. 2.0 used to grant Thank you.
Thank you. Anonymous 617 out of 12345 sets through cast ematic
for is this test boosting toy. See if Dave gets some of the new
features of the latest cast. thematic beta. Value time split
to V? Yep. Awesome. Nice work, Franco.
Adam Curry: Oh, yeah. I mean, everyone's really stepping up on
the TLVs. That's great. So happy to see lots
Dave Jones: of lots of fixes. Yes, Sam has fixed things. Mitch
has fixed things. Franco has fixed stuff. Yeah, great. Great.
Good work, everybody. Macintosh 2222 says IPFS gateway sounds
like a great idea. Macintosh. Nice. Set well, not anonymous
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Dave Jones: They'll raise awareness by releasing awesome
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Adam Curry: Well, thank you. This hurts man. This hurts my
heart. No, no, but I have to remind what am I hearing? Hold
on. I have to remind everybody that I had three people on the
same sound channel on the last show, so I had to get a happy
medium so everybody sounded kind of okay. That's that's the
problem when you have multiple guests.
Dave Jones: This is the real test. This is because this is
just me and you, baby. Yeah,
Adam Curry: I think I mean, in my ears. It sounds good.
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Adam Curry: know I didn't know I didn't do him.
Dave Jones: Oh, you didn't? Oh crap. I just deleted it. Oh,
dang it. How do I get it back? Crap,
Adam Curry: I can find it. I'm gonna sign new.
Dave Jones: Because this is how I don't. This is because I hate
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Dave Jones: It's sort of like parts of space. Like our Global
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Adam Curry: Steele the night bird
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Adam Curry: I don't know. I don't know.
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Dave Jones: he's only half polish. Okay, what is the Darren
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Adam Curry: Yo, yo, exactly.
Dave Jones: All right, everybody's half polish
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the idea. That's the idea. Yeah. I feel like we've like let me
ask you this. How do you feel now? Do you feel calmer since
when you came into the show? Today?
Dave Jones: The museum about an exercise I feel I do feel
better. I feel like I retract. I formally officially retract all
wishes of venereal disease on other people.
Adam Curry: It's, you know, it's it's easy to get discouraged.
Dave Jones: I rarely get angry. But it just got me this way. It
just it just got me it got all over me. I mean, like, Monday, I
was like me, you know, and by today I was just like
Adam Curry: well, there is so much to be excited about. So
many great things happening so many new people coming into our
orbit. And I'm just really happy about music. It's been such a
rediscovery for me it was so turned off I lived in the hits
for many decades and now to be in this in this ecosystem with
with the people who are a part of it, the people who are
joining the curiosity, the excitement from other people.
It's just, it's fantastic. It really is. You've given an old
guy a reason to live. Thank you so much.
Dave Jones: It's a great movie on town Hallmark.
Adam Curry: All right, brother back to the grind for you, Dave
Have yourself a great weekend friend. Me too, man. All right,
everybody in the chat room. Thank you all so much, everybody
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