Adam Curry: Oh, my casting going oh for September 29 2023 Episode
148 slop out. Well, I'm kind of kind of joshing a little bit,
even though we're recording this on a Thursday night on the 28th
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Son say hello to my friend on the other end ladies and
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Dave Jones: So I mean so literally like one minute ago
and Brown of London posted on podcast index dot social, going
to court in 15 minutes in Australia to hear the judgement
from our hearing in the crypto class action on February 8,
Tooth Fairy 22 out of three this year. I don't know what that
means. Like in 15 minutes. He's going to be hearing the judgment
from this lawsuit this been going on for like my entire
life.
Adam Curry: Right? You know, he's gonna be a billionaire by
Friday by Saturday. Yeah, yes. This is the one this is the one
where he gets rich. I know. I'm so excited for him.
Dave Jones: Well, he says listen in if you want Microsoft teams
meet your mic and cameras before.
Adam Curry: Oh, man, I can't believe we scheduled a board
meeting on this particular day. Can you believe it?
Dave Jones: Yeah, no, we're just gonna we're competing with the
judge in a billion dollar lawsuit and
Adam Curry: multibillion dollar lawsuit. Some of the feeling
there'll be some kind of postponement seems like there's
always something going on with that.
Dave Jones: If you're a billionaire Brian, expect at
least a donation.
Adam Curry: Yeah. Israeli billion donation. Yes.
$1,948,000.
Dave Jones: Yes.
Adam Curry: That's a good start and get started. Hey, brother,
how you doing?
Dave Jones: Good. We haven't had a late night boardroom and
longtime longtime
Adam Curry: Yeah, it totally my fault. I'm speaking in Houston
this weekend and leaving tomorrow. actually leaving at
noon so would have been really conflicted. I tried to tried to
change it up and that didn't work. And this is The Spark
Ignite conference.
Dave Jones: In Houston. This okay the year but you're at home
now. Oh, yeah. No, I'm home now. Yeah. Okay. Then the spark
thing. That's the Christian podcaster conference. Right.
It's
Adam Curry: the god caster conference.
Dave Jones: So that's where all the podcasters did together.
Adam Curry: I don't know all of them, but a lot of them. Yeah.
Cool. I know Dave Jackson is gonna be there. I'm doing a
panel with them.
Dave Jones: I think blueberry goes down there.
Adam Curry: I know blueberry sponsoring it. It's kind of
cool. Because, you know, I've never I've never done a keynote
room
Dave Jones: after dark.
Adam Curry: Hi, Eric peepee. I've never done a keynote for a
podcast conference. If you can believe it.
Dave Jones: Wait, I thought you did the Go podcasting?
Adam Curry: No, no, no, no, go No. Go podcasting was the
Podcast Awards where I won. The only award have ever won is the
audio production award.
Dave Jones: Wait, you've never had like a, you invented
podcast. And here's an award award.
Adam Curry: I'm in the Hall of Fame. I guess that counts. But
what I guess but the first podcast conference was the New
Media Expo. And it was it was really, originally it was I
think they had done a couple a couple of years of this New
Media Expo before podcasting existed. And I guess it was, you
know, like mp3 players or something. I don't really
remember what it was. But then that that became the podcast
conference at the New Media Expo in California. I want to say in
Orange, California, Orange County, something like that. No,
it's It's something that Ontario, California is a weird,
weird idea. But it's Ontario.
Dave Jones: And that's a Orange County's. That's LA and all
that. Yeah,
Adam Curry: it's a little bit outside LA. And so the
organizers, and I had pod show at the time, we had raised some
money to start this podcast network. And the organizers
said, Hey, man, you want to do a keynote? I said, Well, I mean,
yeah, I guess I mean, I guess there was around for this for
the for the creation of this thing. So why not? I say great.
You need to send us $20,000 For gold sponsorship? No, yeah,
that's exactly. And I'm like, What are you talking about? You
will you just raise money, you should support the community.
But no, I'm not supporting the community of supporting your
conference. And it got it got really like it got really weird,
like, well, you know, yeah, you're gonna do the keynote and
And this is where I learned exactly how these conferences
work is like you you buy a gold sponsorship, and then you get
keynote. And I'm like, No, we're not going to do that. I mean, we
just raised money to build this. And we hadn't raised all of our
money. We had raised, I think $12 million, which is not a
little bit of money, but we didn't have, you know, 20 Min
was 25 grand in the budget. But yes, for that for that, but
isn't enough that I'm coming to speak, won't that bring people
to your conference? And so it became so weird that we actually
went down there and did an unconference at the pool.
Dave Jones: Oh, this is the unconference that you told me
Yeah. Okay. Yeah. And,
Adam Curry: and of course, after that, I was never invited for a
keynote. But also, I refused. Like, why would I? Why would I
pay to speak? It makes no sense. So the only other time I spoke
at a podcast conference was the horrible one we did in Dallas,
where they snuck us in a back room during lunch, gave us no
promotion.
Dave Jones: That's your that's your podcast Hall of Fame.
That's what it gets you the backroom during lunch break.
Yeah.
Adam Curry: So you know, like, no, and, and these people were
so nice, actually came through. Rob Kirkpatrick who is one of
the guys over there focused on the family, which is huge focus
on the family, and then was have like, 15 million people
listening to their podcast, and he's an advisor for this
conference. Not big I think it's to 200 people, maybe 300 people.
And he said, Hey, man, could I interest you? And so I said, let
me check it out. See what's going on? And on like, yeah,
yeah, I'll do this. And it's like a dinner keynote. They do
have some awards. I'm not quite sure exactly what's going on
with that but so yeah, no, I can do that. I can swing that would
be kind of fun. And so Tina is coming because she's a podcast.
She's a god caster. And we're bringing our pastors a net and
Jimmy their podcasts or Sue's?
Dave Jones: Everybody's podcast, podcast or your podcast
Adam Curry: so they're nominated for best new podcast best new
way Yeah.
Dave Jones: Killing it but they're killing it. Oh fountain
I still have not heard a single episode but they are killing it
on the fountain charts.
Adam Curry: Oh man. They're always in the chart but almost
always. No. I mean, if you look at that chart like we're in it
podcast and 2.0 occurring the keeper gets in there no agenda
gets in there but sodas living up in a down world they're doing
good
Dave Jones: and I'm really I'm bringing it up right now so hot
Adam Curry: I don't found so the whole idea for me is I want to
get all of these God casters on value for value I want to get I
want them to start thinking about how do we get worship
music into that's a Christian from banned worship as Christian
Dave Jones: for bands in the in the faith you have to learn all
the Christian words that mean other words
Adam Curry: what's really weird is that these days are called
corporate worship music. And that just sounds so wrong. I
mean corporate on this in this case the corporate means you
know like something you do together like with the
congregation but to me I hear corporate I'm like no that's
commercial corporate like corporations
Dave Jones: know when when I hear corporate corporate worship
music I envision those like Japanese city CD companies that
where they all have the they have like five songs that oh,
your Sony we
Adam Curry: hate Sony. Yeah, so that's not it. And I want it
Yeah. This is this is my value for value pitch. I'm the my my
keynote is on the future of podcasting. Well, just so
happens we've been developing that
Dave Jones: this okay, well, this this is this is a good
topic. So I don't listen to Christian podcasts. I listened
to I listened to a podcast, I guess I do listen to one what
you might call Christian podcast is called lords of the Spirit.
It is it is a part of an orthodox podcast, but it do
create quote unquote Christian podcasts. How do they make
money? Are they mostly hanging off of another ministry? Or do
they do advertisements?
Adam Curry: I don't I don't I really don't know. I don't think
there's I have a feeling there's not much advertisements going
on. It could be I could be completely wrong. They may do
Patreon or donations. I really don't know but I mean the pitch
for value for value is So Emmys fits so well in the in you know
like value I mean this this literally send value when you
want what you want. It's like It's like tithing in a way only
it doesn't have to be 10% to someone or whatever value you
want. And the cool thing is that we can finally get music in
there this and that. I'd say that's what I'm most excited
about. Is you know the value for value music stuff.
Dave Jones: You know, we remember we played that clip a
while back of but a buddy of mine who interviewed a somebody
who's deep in the Christian music industry, and they and he,
that guy said, a majority of Christian music is now owned by
non Christian entities. No,
Adam Curry: that's totally possible. Although the there's a
couple of big churches one in Australia and there's another
one the I was gonna say ever ever tide ever bright. This is a
couple churches who are really they do a lot of the music and
they you know, they sell the the stems or you know, I guess the
multitrack so that the worship team can can play and if they
don't have a piano or keyboard, you can just bring that track
up. No, I don't know if it's not owned by by Christian entities.
And
Dave Jones: I was sure. I wish I could find that clip.
Adam Curry: I remember, what would it have been titled? I
mean, it would be it would have been
Dave Jones: Christian music or something along those lines, it
would have had Christian in the title because that, that
Adam Curry: Christian music publishing ownership, though,
there you go,
Unknown: do you happen to know? Or have you ever thought about
who owns Christian publishing?
You're not it's my understanding that at this point, it's almost
entirely been gobbled up by big corporate music conglomerates
and that it's really not owned or operated by, by the church in
any way, shape, form or fashion and that it's just a money
making. It's just another stream of revenue for
them. But I'll give you a rundown because I just did a
quick Google search. And this has been going on since
Adam Curry: by the way if this is the state of Christian
podcast today we have work to do. I mean, what is this memo
recorder?
Dave Jones: I did not vouch for the quality, only the content.
Unknown: The early 90s If not the the 80s that corporations
ran this, you would start with things like word publishing. And
that would be a dog gobbled up I remember they had a spin 20
something years ago, but the President of word music was not
a Christian. I don't know who is now. But so I looked at some
artists like Chris Tomlin Hillsong United Hillsong worship
Michael W. Smith, David Crowder, that is run by Capitol music
group. It was owned by Universal Music Group formed by a merger
of EMI Christian music publishing and Brentwood Benson
Music Publishing. They're headquartered in the
Netherlands. Universal is owned by French company called the
Vendee and a Chinese tech company called Tencent and I
think if you anybody that wants to go just a little further,
we'll find some very surprising things. And I think if we start
at the top, you may
Adam Curry: okay, it ends there, I guess elevation elevation as
was thinking of and they do tours, elevation worship, they
do big tours, they have all the publishing all the songs, and
I'm talking like you know, 20,000 people 20 30,000 people
at a time. These are this is big stuff, but I think that I think
they are from a church but it may all have distribution
through big labels, it doesn't really matter. I mean, whatever
is fine. I think just the whole I would say if anything, what I
love most about value for value, particularly if you I mean if
you're if you're not really you're not out to monetize it
per se but the fact that you can see that someone is listening
you know the streams that come in the streaming payments and
this and what we're seeing is it works really well with living up
in a down world where they have you know, there's they've kind
of built a little community with the booster grams. There's a lot
a lot of booster grams going on there.
Dave Jones: Did they play musical nation? No,
Adam Curry: no, not yet. No, the only Christian worship music we
have is is one dorsals kid. We got well, I love J dog Mad Dog
is excellent. I love me some J dog. Now Ben doorbells. Knocking
Yeah. Anyway, so I'm looking forward to that. That will be
fun. I'm in Italy, I think it'd be an interesting crowd. I know
for sure. If you recall when we were at Podcast Movement, I
think it might have been focused on the family guys, but there's
some deep platforming going on. Now, they don't really want
Christians you know, necessarily to show up at the conferences
because, you know, you know you you might be a little polarizing
towards the other participants.
Dave Jones: Oh, I don't I don't know what this. I don't know
what you're talking about.
Adam Curry: Literally. Some Christian podcasters have been
uninvited from podcast conferences. Because you know,
you're well if you're Christian, if You know, if you ask
Christian questions or something that could trigger some of our
other more sensitive participants?
Dave Jones: Yes, this is a yeah, this is a thing that's very much
going on. It's what's funny is, is how much of this sort of
censorship out of podcasting is going on that, that you don't
hear about, like, write it. It's not public. And
Adam Curry: that's the beauty of censorship. Once you said, Yeah,
somebody can't really talk about it.
Dave Jones: Yeah. I thought that oh, you know, I mean, you had a
conversation this week on signal that there was somebody else
that we were like, yep, self censoring. You can just see. And
maybe it's Glenn Greenwald. Their time because
Adam Curry: oh, well, I'm glad you bring this up. No, this was
this was about rumble. And, and actually, it was a continuation
I do have a clip. Hola. Hello. I have a clip to share. You know,
so the, what the, what we were talking about on the last
episode was you know, they're going after platforms and
they're doing it by going after advertisers. And the BBC is now
participating in going around and sniffing around podcast I
guess hosting companies to see Oh, you are you know, you got
any ads going on there for I'm you know, Russell Brand, which
the insinuation is, we're doing a story. And just like the guy
from Barstool Sports, Dave Portnoy, we're doing as you
know, we're doing a story about people who advertise on Russell
Brand. Are you still advertising on that horrible man's podcast?
That's the basic idea.
Dave Jones: And you have five minutes to respond. We got
deadline by one.
Adam Curry: Exactly. So here's a clip from the news movement. And
they are a news organization that in the news movement.com
I'm not exactly sure who's funding them but they don't have
any ads but there's a lot of people on staff. And this is the
report that they put out about Russell Brand and rumble
Unknown: massive brands including Burger King, a source
London's Barbican Centre and HelloFresh and pulled
advertising from Russell Brand's rumble channel through the
company's removed their ads from rumble altogether often the news
movement found they were appearing alongside brands
videos Burger King has paused advertising on brands channel
while broadcasters and police look at claims of rape and
sexual assault against him brand has a huge audience on rumble
with over 1.4 million followers. There's been concerned about the
increasing discussion of conspiracy theories on his
videos like comedians been accused of rape or sexual
assault against for women. He denies the claims to them
approach other brands including Ralph Lauren, eBay and Hilton
Hotels. These ads all appeared on brands channel but none of
them reply to requests for comment YouTube suspended as
from the channel on their site for allegedly violating create
policies and the BBC is removed some shows brand made while
working their Burger King said the company had paused all
advertising while investigations into the allegations of ongoing
Asus declined to comment but TNM understands the company removed
their ads this week. Hello Fresh said thanks for pointing this
out to us. We have manually removed our ads from rump at the
Barbican said we've now asked our media agency to exclude this
site from where our ads appear. Rabu has said it doesn't plan to
remove ads from branded content altogether. But it hasn't
replied to requests for comment. Google and brand himself have
yet to reply to us either.
Adam Curry: So you see what they're doing.
Dave Jones: They missed they missed the perfect opportunity
say that brand is accused of a whopper of an accusation and
disappointed.
Adam Curry: Yeah. So that's, that's how it works. And that
and that and you know, they are clearly I mean, my God, the
woman the the MP who sent the note to the rumble CEO,
Dave Jones: Dame do whatever day let's draw it.
Adam Curry: So that her her husband was in the unit 77 or
something which is the psyops warfare unit of the British
military. Who also who also did you know, all the all the COVID
stuff. So these people are serious. I mean, these are
serious people who want Russell Brand gone and then they're
going to take down rumble or anybody else if they have to.
And so Glenn Greenwald. That's what what our conversation was
about. He switched from substack to locals. And locals, I believe
was acquired by Rumble and rumble has secondary currency.
You know, they have they have stock, which is not under $2
Like a podcast one. Although it's not far from it, they open
a lot. They've gone down significantly.
Dave Jones: Don't invest in rumble. Let's just say that.
Adam Curry: No, I mean, I wouldn't give any stock advice
but no, no, no, it none of this seems like a really good idea.
Um, there's just not a lot of belief in the market. Actually
Did you hear the new media show?
Dave Jones: I hear I heard most of it. I guess they kind of
wondered at the end so have bailed out. But I heard a lot of
it. Oh, the wonder out they were talking about the, the
advertising. Yeah, yeah. This is when he contacted them about
skimming or something.
Adam Curry: Well, there's that part that, you know, Todd is all
I love, Todd. I can't talk about it. There's stuff going on. And
maybe soon I'll let you know. Yeah. But here's, I didn't
really put this all together. Because he was talking to it's
all about measurement. And I guess someone is out there
trying to do a story and figure out if podcast companies are
overstating download numbers. That's just my cursory
understanding of what what he was saying. However, amidst that
pops up that the announced the you know, the news story, that a
cast was no longer going to work with Spotify guys. numbers with
Spotify, audience numbers or whatever, I guess they have some
service.
Dave Jones: And their their their I think it's the stuff
that backs megaphone, and they're that kind of thing,
right.
Adam Curry: And now they they announced the partnership, which
was on last week's pod news weekly review, of course, we
haven't heard this week's pod news weekly review, because
we're taping this Thursday evening. So we don't have our
show prep. But you know, they had the guy from a cast on, and
it was all sold under the guise of all we only do open open
systems, you know, open this and has to be open and, and what and
what the company that they work with who you know, maybe they'll
acquire, I guess they do attribution. What's the name of
the company Dave? We'll look at the positives. We've got pod
scribe, heartless cod something, pod scribe plays a pod scribe. I
think they do pixel tracking or something else. And so they
basically do numbers and let you know, let the advertiser know,
how they're how the ad performed, is
Dave Jones: last announced this pod scribe has global global
preferred attribution partner and
Adam Curry: right, but they refuse to work with Spotify. And
Todd said something that really made it all come together in my
head, he said, you know, Spotify actually has real numbers. They
know exactly how many people have listened. They know what
they listened to how long they listened to it. So their numbers
are going to be much more accurate than downloads, because
they track everything in the player. So my simple conclusion
is that a cast who, you know, they, they do ad based media.
They either don't want Spotify numbers, because they're much
less than their reporting. Or maybe more than whatever it is,
is not the same as what they're reporting. And I suspect that
Spotify is numbers show people aren't really listening. They're
listening to a little bit, you know, maybe it's half a show.
I'm thinking there's trouble in paradise. And then I hear Todd
and Rob like, oh, yeah, well, we had all that fixed. You know, we
had it all fixed with IAB. And now it's all complicated. And
we're back No, 15 years in time. This thing is breaking apart.
This down to this download base metric for advertising is
falling apart.
Dave Jones: I think you're exactly right. With this. You
could see this coming down Broadway. I mean, because the
attribution. So there's a Do you have my clips from last week? I
don't know if I clipped the attribution that I have a clip
from last week that has anything to do with attribution.
Adam Curry: Attribution. Hold on a second.
Dave Jones: So there's this podcast called
Adam Curry: how sure it was last week, because you had podcast
one stuff.
Dave Jones: It was there was a thing called for media
roundtable. Yes,
Adam Curry: yes. Yes, I do. I have a media roundtable. Dai
fail.
Dave Jones: That's not it. You can play that. But that's not
it. That's good
Unknown: in working with an ad agency or partner on this type
of work for your advertising campaigns, go to Oxford
road.com. It's easy to spell and get in touch with us or at least
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That's Oxford.
Dave Jones: Fail. So this is this. Yeah. This is dynamic ad
insertion. So this is from a podcast called Media roundtable
put on by Oxford Road, which is a advertising agency. They help
people with their podcast advertising, they. So you could
say that This podcast, they are also on the podcast one network.
So anything you should you could say that this podcast should be
it should be to they add to digital advertising as
podcasting 2.0 is to podcast namespace features should be the
crown jewel of demonstrating what is possible and the quality
of advertising that you can get,
Adam Curry: you would be able to do what you'd expect it to be
Primo, Primo, Primo, but
Dave Jones: they cut off their own dynamic ad halfway through
the rate. And then you can be right in the middle of telling
people where to go if they're interested in the product. So it
was like, you know, go to AWS for other kind of shows this,
this is a this but this show, they also had this long. And I
list this, I'm sure that people are nice there. But this show is
very boring. Listen, listened to a lot of it. And they had this.
They had this panel at some conference, I didn't quite pick
up what conference this was. But it was a panel on all kinds of
digital advertising people that were in one of the panels was on
attribution. And the they were talking about using different
forms of attribution to track advertising success. And
basically every vert to make, I'll clip it and bring it next
week. But every version of it was something with some
roundabout where it's like, well, this is what we do. And
this is what we've been doing. And here's how we do it. And
here's what we have our experiences it has been, but
really actually it doesn't work. Every time. It was all like at
the very end, there was a caveat of you know, but it really
didn't work anyway. So this, all of the all of this in House of
Cards that's been built on IP attribution, like one lady was
saying that they use one of the, you know, these tracking pixels,
and they use these creepy IP address sniffers trackers, to
Yeah, or IP brokers. That's what like these IP addresses,
Adam Curry: they can connect into your credit card.
Dave Jones: And they try to connect the traffic coming from
your IP address, from a download over back over to where you
bought something on, you know, some makeup on a web, you know,
Ulta beauties website or something. All of this is just a
completely flimsy House of Cards. Nobody. Nobody can
attribute correctly. It's all a lie. Every bit of it. None of
this surprises me at all. I think you're exactly right. And
there's lots not not be outright willing. No, it's I call that a
fraud. But there is a lot of people that understand that the
numbers are very squishy.
Adam Curry: Yeah, and they vary from podcast hosting company to
podcast hosting company, it's, it's a mess. And it's also not,
it's not a really great way to do it. It's just never been a
great way to do it. It never has. And there's all kinds of
reasons for it, which we don't have to delve into it. So they
came up with the standard, the IAB and they wanted to get
certified. But then I think Spotify really came in and
ruined it. Because no one has da, no one has no time spent
listening numbers, except that are really accurate, you would
presume except Spotify. And you know, because they're not basing
they're basing off of player data. And they're selling the
ads into that player data. And so they have something that is,
I think, is unique. And it's a real problem. And I would say
that is probably the reason why we got the Oh no, no, we have to
be open and we don't like the close nature of Spotify. I'm
questioning that now. I'm not wanting to accuse anybody, but
for sure there's disparity here. And that's what Todd love him
for it because Todd just we call them in the old country of flip
out. Flip out he just just just flopped something out, you know,
it's like oh, what's the flip flops out of Todd's mouth there?
Dave Jones: This is a great thing about the Dutch language
is most is many times the words are just slightly altered
versions of of English word. It's not flopped out. It's flip
out.
Adam Curry: It's flipped out Yeah. FL ap you it flop out so
it'd be flop flop. flop out. And there's nothing wrong with it,
but it just I hear that I'm like, hold on a second. That's
an issue. Now more news from the Netherlands. Okay. Parliamo so
parliamo is another Swedish company I guess they raised
about 150 million euros. And you know, they've been going around
Europe and buying up podcasts and podcast networks and putting
it all behind the paywall five euros a month.
Dave Jones: It's great idea and
Adam Curry: a whole bunch of Dutch podcasters. This was a
newspaper article, a whole bunch of Dutch podcasters sold into
them and whatever, whatever that means. I hope they got paid, I
don't know, or got some kind of guarantee. And so they all went
behind the paywall. And, lo and behold, there's no way to get
more Dutch people to listen to the podcast, because they have
no discoverability. So they wound up doing this like a tent
on a market square, where they were doing their podcast live
trying to get people to sign up and subscribe. And so they
literally had to go to the people live and in person to
have people discover them and they were interviewing people
said oh, you know when went behind the paywall. Now I just
went on Spotify found some other podcasts, it was kind of cool. I
like that one. But no, not maybe I'll subscribe to him again. Now
that here, they were pretty good. I like their rants and
stuff. But this is the biggest problem. And this is when you
then get into well, here's some here's some premium stuff here.
But you know, we'll give you a little bit of give you a little
taste here. It doesn't work. Discoverability has to be open
and available. And so I'm just thinking how flawed this model
really is. There's a God and to get all these popular podcasts,
let's say, let's I'm going to be very generous. Let's say you get
30% like him 10 times value for value. Let's say you get 30% of
people who are listening to podcasts for free with ads or
not. Who then say okay, I'm gonna sign up for five euros a
month, and I'll get this podcast and a whole bunch of other ones.
But that's probably a decent conversion rate. Then what? How
do you grow it? You advertise in the paper? You know? Yes. How do
you grow it? How do you grow something that has been a
popular show, as I understand taking a popular show behind the
paywall, but that's it, you can only kind of go down yeah, you
might get some people who come in from other shows. I just
don't see the I just don't see the multiplier after that. How
do you create discoverability behind a paywall?
Dave Jones: So here, here's an interesting, okay, this brings
this makes me think of something. And it kind of it
ties in with what you were talking about a while ago.
Imagine let's let's let's do a thought experiment and say that
the Obamas Africa with that Michelle Obama podcast was
called the windows exclusive to Spotify, Michelle Obama
Adam Curry: podcast, oh, they should have called us out if
they didn't
Dave Jones: imagine that her show started out on open RSS on
RSS feeds, and not as an exclusive in Spotify? Would it
have what would the download numbers have been? Like? Where
would it have ranked in the charts? In these Rancors? I'm
thinking that it would have ranked pretty high?
Adam Curry: I think so. So it would they would have gotten a
lot of heat. A lot of people would have been sampling it out
for sure. You know, they only had Spotify to rely on they
later they remember they did open it up when they couldn't
fill the inventory.
Dave Jones: Yeah. And so if the based on your theory, if it had
been a RSS, podcast, distribution and not on Spotify,
then the numbers would have been artificially high in RSS world.
And it may not have gotten canceled, necessarily as soon as
it did. But because Spotify can see actual numbers for a show
like that. Real numbers not not fake download numbers. They,
they saw that this show actually was not being listened to. So
they cut it. They cut it loose.
Adam Curry: Yeah, that's possible. I mean, I think it
came down to the timing of it was just all financial, you
know, they'd spent so much money nothing was working. There was
nothing was coming back. I think the Obamas are arrogant, you
know? Much like the the more goals you know, the Harry and
Megan I think they you know, just arrogant and you know, but
it was what $20 million or whatever.
Dave Jones: And that is bad example bad except so let's take
Do you remember that other show? That Ah, let's, let's break up
the name. I think that's the name. And let me let me see if I
can find in the index. I think it's called Let's break up.
Maybe not see, it was a show that was that that Spotify
bought? And took it exclusive even though that's what that
just breakup. I think that's what it was. Yeah, there it is
just breakup. So they, yeah. Okay, this is what I thought.
Okay. So it was called Just break up. They got bought this
was early on during us doing this show, maybe the first year
of our of our show. And we played clips of it. And because
it was, you know, it was all funny because they were doing
the Spotify pitch at the time, which was tell everybody that
they don't need a credit card to sign up for the app. Yeah, yes,
I
Adam Curry: do remember this? Yes.
Dave Jones: So they, they did that for like, two months, and
then they went exclusive. They are now not exclusive anymore,
they have gone back to RSS. And so this again, fits in with what
you're saying if they're what these these shows that have
seemingly big download numbers. And then they and then they get
brought into the Spotify ecosystem where Spotify can see
actual statistics on how people are listening. And they see that
the numbers are actually dreadful, then, you know,
compared maybe not dreadful overall, but dreadful compared
to what they were supposed to be.
Adam Curry: And I think you're going to see, they probably
touted. I'm just guessing, we're just guessing here, they
probably touted all these great statistics, including time spent
listening. And that's where they lost it. That's where people
want out the people and listen to 10 minutes or half an hour or
an hour of this two hour show. And you know, yeah, I think it
has something to do with that.
Dave Jones: That's a good point. Yeah, that's spent listening was
probably way low. Yeah. They'll they'll listen to a little bit
and then bail out. And they don't actually get any ads
because they bill, possibly. So they can't they can't satisfy
you
Adam Curry: can't get the inventory. Whereas if you have
downloads wow, I mean, download, of course they heard it. Of
course, of course, of
Dave Jones: course, just by its binary, you either have a
download. Exactly,
Adam Curry: exactly. And so all of this to say that, and I'm
really sorry. I mean, I'm not dancing on anybody's grave here.
And I tried this, I tried this, I tried it, and it didn't work.
And I know all the pitfalls, so I know why it's difficult. And
it's just coming apart at the seams, we had a real beautiful
moment. 2019 Joe Rogan signs with Spotify, big money,
everyone's all jacked. This is great pandemic. Everyone's in
actually listening went up and creation of podcast went up and
more big names are signed, and it's all exciting, and it's all
fabulous. And then out comes the as expected the numbers that
Spotify could not monetize. I mean, they couldn't make a
profit. They could not make a profit off of this idea, which
was let's cut all these. And let's get all these exclusives.
Let's you know, let's do a hits based record company, where
we're the record company, the radio station and the end the
store. You know, it just doesn't it has never worked that way
with podcasts. And then moving forward. This was look, I
understand that YouTube wants to you know, incorporate podcasts.
But to close your podcast app. What?
Dave Jones: Yeah, I have some thoughts on this like alright,
Google just hates RSS. They always
Adam Curry: says yes, yeah, because it's it is the only real
competitor to what they do.
Dave Jones: You can't google that. My, in my opinion, goop
this lawsuit that they're going through now
Adam Curry: the anti competition anti competitive lawsuit, the
Dave Jones: the end and then brought, you know, Brown of
London, they'll finish them off, but
Adam Curry: they're going down.
Dave Jones: That the anti competitive lawsuit is exposing
a lot of a lot of stuff. That's not that digital advertising
market is not a healthy market overall. And for them. I mean,
it works in traditional media because of the you know, like
you've said many times because of limited ad space,
Adam Curry: you can create artificial demand because you
only have 24 hours in a day
Dave Jones: per channel. So what the thing that came out in the
lawsuit quickly The during discovery was that Google had
been jacking, jacking up the ad the ad rates to meet their
quarterly, their quote their meet their quarterly revenue
targets. And so if they needed an extra little use of revenue
and all the dials, yeah, turn it up another 8% on there, because
they they're basically a monopoly in the ad search in the
search ad business. And so this, this is all coming out. You
can't do that in RSS. You can't do those things. It's low
revenue to begin with. They don't really they've never
really had a revenue play. So to me, they're, they're circling
the wagons, not just on on podcasting, but on all of their,
all of their products, really, their whole, the whole Google
ecosystem. They're now built, they're now building higher
walls, to keep revenue to keep their revenue in so that you
like YouTube. If people think that they that did, if people
think that Apple is going to put a podcast app on Android.
Adam Curry: So hilarious every single time I hear that, no, not
no, they want people to use their devices. And you know, and
they, Apple still has a great rep for it. You know, here's a
podcast app, it comes with the iPhone people, okay.
Dave Jones: And so they're, they're not a Google is not
going to spin. They're not going to lift a finger spend a DOM, on
podcasting, on anything that's based on RSS, because all they
want to do is just funnel you into YouTube so that they can
monetize it and bring it into their, into their world is they
they get no benefit from RSS. They don't they this is not the
fact that they cancelled, Google podcasts is not a surprise. They
don't care and they never have.
Adam Curry: And it's still baffling to me that they're
putting. I mean, they looked at Spotify and said, Wow, that
worked really well. Let's put podcasts into our music app.
Dave Jones: Yeah,
Adam Curry: I did you not, do not understand that. And you
know, and as far as I can tell from their from their blog post,
which is, of course, everyone's running around, like, Whoa, is
what Google's doing this. Google doesn't talk to anybody doesn't
doesn't give interviews doesn't tell anybody actually what's
happening? Certainly not in the podcasting community.
Dave Jones: I think, you know, it's funny enough, I remember I
forget who this was. This has been a couple of years ago,
somebody was making a comment about Google. It may have been
Paul throt. Whoever this was, we're saying that nobody really
knows what's going on over there anymore. And hid. I think it was
him who said that, in his opinion. They had been, they
made so much money so fast, because they I mean, they were
really, they really were the first true tech unicorn. And I
mean, before before Apple, you know, before Apple came back,
and so they they made so much money so fast, that they just
lost their way. They don't know what to do. They don't really
nobody's in charge. You know, I don't think they look like a
headless ship. 90% of the time. They feel like, that's for sure.
Yeah. And then and this is just another, you know, they were
never going to do anything with RSS anyway. But just like
stepping back even further, and just looking at them as a
company. I mean, I don't see if I think if I think out 10 years,
I think Google looks I think they just look like a search
engine. I'm not sure anything else that they do
Adam Curry: bad search engine, because it only plugs stuff that
is advertised. I mean, it's just true. We know it's true.
Dave Jones: It's true, like Alta Vista, champ more and more every
day.
Adam Curry: Yeah. And that's what Google blew out of the
water.
Dave Jones: And now it's turning back into that.
Adam Curry: So the next issue with YouTube music and
podcasting, which is the topic everyone's talking about, it's
here to top of pod news. With the the closure of the app. It's
like, well, will they have passed through, get Dream on?
That I had a dream. You're gonna get no numbers from Google.
Yeah, because Google has their own special metric, which is,
oh, three seconds was listened to. Yeah, that's a lesson.
Dave Jones: Yeah. Well, Spotify is 20 milliseconds, or whatever
that is, I
Adam Curry: mean, so you know, so it's, it's just a non
starter. And, and again, I wonder, Where is the $2 billion
I mean to $2 billion that has to be just like maybe is that 50
podcasts that somehow are responsible for this? I mean, I
hear I hear numbers like, oh, they have, you know, 500,000
downloads a month. Oh, crap, I got that.
Dave Jones: Yeah. Are you? How many billions did you make this
year?
Adam Curry: Zeros zeros, like in Satoshis Satoshis level milli
SATs.
Dave Jones: So I think like, if we look at if we just look at
podcasts, they're legitimately worth what their deal was. I
mean, to me, none of Rogan, Joe Rogan actually is the only one I
can think of that probably bring, he probably drives enough
revenue to justify the deal he got.
Adam Curry: I have no idea. I hear the spots for some reason.
Even though I pay for Spotify, I get the Joe Rogan ads. And
especially watch the video they stop every like is that every
couple of minutes, and the video goes away. And you get no oh,
here's Joe, you often for Look, maybe that's all localized by
get local Austin companies. And I'm not necessarily getting I'm
not hearing BMW know what I mean. But he was very important
for the stock price. He did great for the stock price. I
mean, if you look at their chart, it's very suppressed
right now compared to what it was. But I mean, he added
billions of dollars of market cap and thus, you know,
perceived value to the company.
Dave Jones: And I think he's, I don't think they can get out
from under that. I think the next time when he comes up for
renewal, I think they re up that show, because if they lose him,
it will have an equally down pressure on that stock price. It
will take it surely it will take
Adam Curry: you know, this is something that I don't discuss
with Joe. Right. I'm kind of pissed off. You sent me a text
today. Hey, do you want to race cars at the at the racing track
on Monday?
Dave Jones: Yeah, you do that as always? Yes. Right. Yeah.
Unfortunately,
Adam Curry: I'm already committed to some stuff. So I
can't like the worst thing is like, hey, we can write real
racing cars come hang out like, oh, I have a feeling have bases
on nothing. But I think I mean, he's got to be up for renewal
soon. I have a feeling that He'll do whatever. Well,
firstly, he can do whatever he wants. I think he loves the
relationship. It doesn't matter how much or how little money may
be the only give him the ads. I don't know. I don't think he
cares. He wants to have this market. He loves doing it. At
this point, he really doesn't have to work for money,
obviously. But you know, he I think he only had to deliver
like three Shows a week and he does five. I love it. I just
love it. I just I just love having all the guests here. I'd
love talking to everybody. to I don't think they'll renew it to
that. No one really actually knows the numbers, you know,
every like, Oh, it's 100,000,200. I've heard 300
million. Nobody knows. Nobody knows. And, and Joe and I just
don't talk business that way. But yeah, I would never ask is
rude. I don't care. You know, he seems happy. That's all I care
about.
Dave Jones: And I would I would think, I guess I guess my let me
say it this way. Regardless of actual numbers. I think he's
worth more to them now than he was when they first signed him.
Adam Curry: They never talk about him. That's the thing.
He's never in a press release. They never talk about him. He's
never in any campaigns for investors or otherwise. That's
the part that makes me that makes me question what you're
saying is like, if hit
Dave Jones: if the headlines hit that Joe Rogan least Spotify?
Yeah, I'm with you on that that would be a dog gets massacred?
Adam Curry: Well, especially if you have I mean, if Google
Google music, if they said, Hey, Joe, come over here. I don't
know. I don't know. I have no idea. It doesn't really matter.
Because that's he's an anomaly. That's something that's, you
know, he's a some crazy force of nature. I don't think we'll ever
see anything like that again. But it's also not what the what
podcasting is podcasting is what we're doing. Podcasting is what
is you know, it's it's gonna be your your little group here. We
have to get over this number one rancor type of mentality. Right.
It's like, what do you need to do what you do and that's for
me, that's no agenda. I mean, we keep doing it. People keep
sending back Are you? We've built it up over, it'll be 16
years in October. I do a lot more stuff, but I'd be perfectly
happy if that's all I did in my life. Because I have a dog, I
have a wife, you know, the kids are okay. You know, if they need
a couple bucks, you know, they can't make the rent, I can help
them out. That's life. That's beautiful. I don't have to worry
about staff.
Dave Jones: Staff, nobody wants to worry about staff. So that's
not fun. And that
Adam Curry: and that, to me is is what podcasting is so
beautiful at. Yeah, so I don't need to make a pitch for value
for value, but you understand what I'm saying? Yeah, I
Dave Jones: totally do. And that's a great and that's a
perfect thing for the spark, you know, for executive podcasters
because most of them I would imagine 99% of Christian
podcasters are not doing it for for the for a business they're
doing it out of a ad because they enjoy it. And because it's
something they want to do for some reason in their life. They
want to
Adam Curry: do it for God, I guess but we got a who sent this
dovie das who's listening to our says blue.com Everybody 15,000
SATs, he says talk to a church that does I guess he he has a
client, maybe talk to her church does a prayer podcast, even V
for V is difficult, because you need to ask for value, which may
ruin the experience similar to RSS music, we need to we need
ways to ask for value outside of the episodes themselves. So
there's a couple things there. So I just want to say one I
disagree. Church passes around a plate or a basket or a bucket or
whatever. And and there's there is an implicit ask. And what I
love about value for value is the booster grabs it's it's the
feedback mechanism. He I mean, you you give you give people
responses to their booster grams. I've heard pastors Jimmy
and Annette, do it. I hear them do it. And it was hard for them.
So they're not really saying Hey, pay our rent, which you
know, which I've never done on no agenda either, necessarily. I
said all I know I can do keep doing the show. If I can pay my
rent, then RSS music. I think we've cracked that code. The
artists don't have to ask for it. The podcasters do it for
them. I am literally shilling for the artists. And it's it to
me it's great value, I get a little piece but I also get to
do a show with music. Thank you for letting me play your music.
Now people go and support them. I am not a big believer in and
from there. I think people you know like the way fountain does
you subscribed. them quite do it that way. But I think fountain
should make it that way. Or every app should make it that
way. Here's the songs played in this show. Now you can easily
subscribe to this artist. And then when the artists add
something, it should pop up just like a new episode does. Oh,
there's new music from the doorbells, which would be every
hour. And then you know, and I still have my streaming number
set. So when I'm listening, I'm streaming and if I dig a track,
I'll boost it. And then and there and we already have the
thing. Steven B's emporium of apps has the you know the reply
to system already set up. We don't have but you know, I can
see this working, I can see reply twos you know, so the
artists can reply to you. So the booster gram mechanism, this is
a beautiful thing. So and it's, you're going to do better, with
podcast playing you and people discovering you and then
subscribing to you to your album to you as an artist or whatever
it is that you're going to do in any other system right now.
People just aren't making money on the music they're making. I
mean, why is Beyonce still touring? Yeah, okay. Yeah,
because she just loves it cuz she loves it now. Because that's
where the money is. Yeah.
Dave Jones: That is speaking speaking of. Can we divert?
Yeah, sure into the into top 100 talk for a second.
Adam Curry: Are you kidding me? Top 100 Talk is my middle name.
Dave Jones: The top 100 has way more than 100.
Adam Curry: Yes. And I realized why? Because you have so many
ties.
Dave Jones: Is that correct? Well, well, it's only pull it
up.
Adam Curry: We have almost 200 nodes the top coming in at
number 187 of the top 100 this week. I don't know if it's I
think it's hilarious. Sometimes I saw 97 Or like at the top 197
entries this week.
Dave Jones: So Ron Ron Plouffe third cousin, married to Dave
Employee of the Obamas conveyed to me that he said this is going
to become a problem, this top 100 is going to become more and
more is going to go way, way beyond top 100. If the in if
your entry floor into the top 100 is only one boost. So
everybody, if you even get a single boost, you're in the top
one, you know you're in this chart. And because I did not
give it a hard upper limit of
Adam Curry: 100, but can't you just say 100 and 101? is you're
not on the chart?
Dave Jones: I could we could 100 We could say
Adam Curry: unfortunately then numbers, lots of music. And I
was gonna say number 90 through number 101 117. Just 27 songs
all have the same amount for four boosts. Right, that's where
you run into trouble, I guess because it's it's basically it's
a tie.
Dave Jones: Yeah, yeah. And so he Okay, he said, the median
number of the median number of booths is still five. As it's
been all week. Also, just as another reference point, the sum
of the booths for titles, one 101 through 195 only represent
12% of the sum of all the boosts in one through 195. This math is
hurting my brain. What does that mean? It's nine o'clock at
night.
Adam Curry: What is the what is this mean? What is this this
wicked math mean?
Dave Jones: So he's saying that basically there's a by the time
you get to one a 101 the whole entire rest of the chart is only
12% of the total of booth booths counts. So the total number of
booths for the entire chart is 2072 but 101 through 195 Only,
it only covers 12% of that, which doesn't bother Is this the
thing is like I don't necessary if I scroll down here to one,
let's just say 154 Maybe that's a great song.
Adam Curry: Well, this is my point. I've never seen this as a
gold star. To me, this is a discovery mechanism. Again, I
get when I start when I get on Mondays when I get ready to do
booster Graham ball. I go into number of places and one of them
is definitely this top 1000 And I'm like oh I don't know this
song. It got some boosts click I want to see what this is. Oh, I
know this. Okay, this only has four boosts because as you know
there hasn't been played any more for a while so I understand
why that's kind of going down. Now. The thing that I think is
not a problem, but it looks weird is so numbers. No offense
TJ numbers 9293 94 is all sir TJ the raffle. So that just leaves
you with a banjo that just looks kind of weird on a chart
Dave Jones: is because somebody went in there boosted the album
as they were listening to the piano. I
Adam Curry: understand. I understand. Yeah. So did were
there any
Dave Jones: freaks me out a bit? The chicken the mass? That's a
little
Adam Curry: George T drag, huh? So what do we want to do about
it? Anything? Nothing.
Dave Jones: We don't do anything about anything really? Do we
actually do things about?
Adam Curry: We don't do anything? We try not to? Let's
not do any work. But did Plouffe have any suggestions?
Dave Jones: He said focus hard on the South Carolina primary.
Okay, sure. No, he didn't know he's he did not. He did not have
any suggestions. I think. I don't know. I think it's cool
for now. I mean, I like having lots of stuff on this list. It
feels better to me, to to have when there's lots of things on
here. To me that's more important than how many boosts
anything gets. Yeah. Because it just shows the quantity of stuff
and all of this stuff has good album art. Like, I don't know,
this is just a good looking. This is an impressive list of
the quantity of music that's available value for value now
and I like the feel of that.
Adam Curry: I'm with you on that. Now I'm comparing to the
wavelength top 40
Dave Jones: And um, how many how many does their tough 40 have on
it?
Adam Curry: That's funny enough 40
Dave Jones: Because they some other people know what they're
doing. Don't know what we're doing well, no,
Adam Curry: they only they only can do a chart of music that's
on wavelike and we have we got all the crazy people. Everything
that's out there is audio and video. Stephen B's app Emporium.
I mean he does all this a lot of a lot of self hosted music.
People are helping each other out. So here I see Skrill a
bobcat? Which I learned is actually Bobby shell.
Dave Jones: How about that? Oh, as a pin net. He's got a
pseudonym.
Adam Curry: No, no, that may just just different. Hey, I
think that's interesting, actually is that one guy is
multiple artists. So look at the top three. Number one. Blind to
you. scrilla bobcat. Number two paperboy featuring scrilla
Bobcat number three Bobby shell with a song. I haven't even
heard beef steak and trade wives. Trad wives. So now and
let me see how many stats does this have? 180,000 for the new
Bobby show. scrilla Bobcat number. See that has 241 So what
I'm smelling here is because they're not doesn't even show
up. Let me see Bobby show. Bobby shell. So that new song isn't
even hasn't even been played on podcast. So the stakes
Dave Jones: and tread tread one. Yeah. It's in the index.
Adam Curry: Prom shirts in the index.
Dave Jones: I see it. Yeah, just pulling it out. Now if we
Adam Curry: look at scrilla
Dave Jones: scrilla in Manila.
Adam Curry: scrilla has. Okay, the top scrilla lying to you is
currently number 28. So 919 boosts? Okay, that seems
possible. So I think what we're seeing here is exactly the
problem we wanted to avoid is that you can come in with a big
baller boost and put someone on the top chart, which could stay
there for weeks, because you send 500,000 sets. Whereas the
number of actual participating people, I find much more
exciting. So if I look at Nate, John 769 booths that's that's a
lot. Yeah, and I know that I row in exile. I know they're
popular. I know that people are playing them. So it's totally
it's two different things. But I like our chart, I go down this
all the time. And then Ellen beach.com from Steven B's app
Emporium.
Dave Jones: The curio cabinet of apps is
Adam Curry: you know, you throw that thing on. On random and an
Off it goes and it plays the whole top top 100 200 songs.
Dave Jones: So so we just renamed we just it's a top 100
Maybe we should rename it to top 100 And something
Adam Curry: something top 100 events.
Dave Jones: Man more. Yeah. Well. Yeah. So one thing about
the one other thing about the chart and then we can move on,
is you know, it really feels odd to have this chart with all this
that looks so nice and is telling you about all this music
and not be able to listen to the music.
Adam Curry: Yes, this is this is a very big problem. I agree
because but I don't necessarily be an app. Exactly. I don't want
us to be a destination. I love I love Steven but that's why you
made OPML and JSON and and whatever versions.
Dave Jones: So here I've got an idea. What if we made it where
you can just do like a sample? A little, a little play button
where you can hear like 10 seconds. Is that still not a
good idea?
Adam Curry: I don't I can't even tell you why. I mean this to me
is just, this is just a place where you can see it. I want
people to go to lm beats.com I want people to see the top 100
And by the way, maybe LM beats chops it off at 100 Why doesn't
fountain show the top I mean I know why but I would love to see
it and fountain I'd love to see it in pod verse. I'd love to see
it all over the place. I want it to be exported. I don't think
the minute we start doing little bits and bobs. I think we just
run we just make trouble for ourselves because then you know
you're doing that. Well. You might as well add the boost
capability
Dave Jones: that I want. You know what I mean? Yeah, I don't
want it Okay,
Adam Curry: I don't and I don't want to compete with the with
the Steven B Emporium.
Dave Jones: I don't want to compete with the ABS either. And
that has been like that has been competing with ABS has been the
has been anathema to everything that we believe in since day
one. We will never compete with ABS on on this play on this
ground. So, but here's the issue. Right now, the link, if
you click on a song takes you to the podcast into and then you
can listen there. And you can listen and boost. That's not
That's not good. We want to push people to apps. And how do so
how do we do after we send people to apps? Well, I because
without playing favorites, too, right?
Adam Curry: I don't know how many people I mean, we set this
that well, let's just stay with the app part. Okay. I think if
anything, we did this for ourselves. I just want you to
like, hey, what about this pocket? Okay, yeah, here it is,
I'm gonna listen a little bit, okay, good. Just just to confine
it, find the RSS feed, you know, find out information about the
split. I do not listen to podcasts on podcasts. index.org,
I may just check something out. But you know, the play button is
just there. And, you know, and, and because of value for value
being new. And you know, we that's why the boost capability
was added. And this is all kind of legacy stuff. But I would
love nothing more than in the future to turn all that off.
Well, I know we shouldn't even we should just shut down the
website. Just be an API and kill it. Headless index,
Dave Jones: headless Drupal, we're gonna run it on a headless
Drupal, the so I agree. And the only thing that, to me the I
think 90% of what people do with our website when it comes to
boosts is, hey, if you don't have a podcast and 2.0 app, go
boosters through the podcast index. Yeah, like it's a
fallback.
Adam Curry: Yeah, yeah. But it's, we've never promoted it,
per se.
Dave Jones: No, no, no. But so. So how do we, I just some, I
just don't like that it goes to our website. And I don't know
how to make that not happen. But what what goes to our website,
the when you click on a on a click or tap on a song, on a
song in the chart, I just feel like that should go to an app.
And I don't know how well I don't know how to do that in a
in a real way.
Adam Curry: Instead of instead of worrying about that. I would
just prefer to focus LM beads great out of the gate. I tell
people all the time on booster grand ball go to M and beach.com
you can see everything there. I try not to and I know I'm
contradicting myself because I use the URL podcast index dot
top. I don't even know if anyone's going there or not. I
would much more I would prefer to not do anything and just
help. We're not a destination. We're just not we're not a
destination for podcast. We're not a destination for for
anything. And we haven't really positioned ourselves. So the
fact that is there to me is just part of our development. And
what we want to encourage in us like people said, Hey, you can
get V for V Music dot music and like, what am I going to do with
that? I don't want to be V for view V dot music, you can get
music index Doc, I don't want to be that. I want the apps in the
service. That's what I want that to be not us. Because before you
know, and we have to do takedown requests, and God knows what
else I don't want any part of any part
Dave Jones: of that. We build things that help other people
build things that people use.
Adam Curry: Now there's a bumper sticker podcast index, we build
things that help other people do things. They what what was
Dave Jones: that this bumper stickers are too big strapping
around, this
Adam Curry: is a T shirt, podcast index, we build things
that other people use to build things that are cool that we
like,
Dave Jones: okay, something like yes, yes, something like that.
It's a
Adam Curry: so for me, it was just it was an interesting
experiment to set this up. And we're not done yet. Because
there's still development, it gives us a place to look and to
feel okay, now we've identified some things like this top 100.
Okay, it's the top 200. Now, we're not quite sure what to do
with it.
Dave Jones: Now we're not stopping at 200 we're blowing
the lid off. He could keep on going.
Adam Curry: I mean, the easy thing to do is tighten up seven
days to five days, see what happens stuff will fall off
quicker. But again, for me this this is development. This is not
a product, the product, you know, the product needs to be
built by the apps. And so we're just offering this and you know,
and please do with it what you can I mean, hosting companies
should be ingest In this hey, here's a whole bunch of songs
you can see how popular they are. Play them in your podcast
with the with the wallet switching technology.
Dave Jones: Oh, Steven bass says sin the top 100 to the link in
the feed. That's opposite Yeah, that's an option to the one to
the link in the feed. You know how you can you can you can use
the link element and the RSS to link to your own, you know, to
the homepage of the episode so to speak.
Adam Curry: Again, I don't think we should spend another minute
on on the on the web page other than just what it is now. So we
can just look at as developed as a development. Like a console.
Dave Jones: Here, maybe this? Yeah.
Adam Curry: Yeah. I mean, all this all these ideas, build it
in your apps people. Built How about this build an app
Dave Jones: where we still don't have a name. We have PW A's. We
have we have Ellen Bates and pod fans.
Adam Curry: Yeah, well, I have Ellen beats I have Ellen beats
as a PWA on my Windows desktop. It's beautiful.
Dave Jones: Though I did do that put it I have it on my bun icon
right there on
Adam Curry: the desktop. Me and I go into CNC Oh, but here's I
use all kinds of new new radio shows. I got the Black Cat
music. I see I've been relegated to the bottom. Thanks, Steven B
booster grand ball all the way to the bottom. Want. Wow. Let's
see the top 100 100 the top 100 Is is all is indeed it's also
192 Ellen beats.com. But that's yeah, that's it. That's a sexy
kind of thing. I mean, that's, that's where I think it needs to
be. And Stephen has nice little play buttons and and you set up
your your wallet so that you can stream or I think I have it set
up after you play the song I send 1000 SATs. Now, what is
this little feedback? But oh, that's a loop button. As well
here wallet. Here we go. Yeah. So we need more of those.
Dave Jones: Okay, I have an idea of how to fix this. And I know
exactly what to do to fix this or should fix our count and to
fix our count problem. I just figured it out. Okay. I'm just
gonna do it. And then we'll talk about it. Okay, good surprise.
Yeah, like,
Adam Curry: like Christmas and, and a wave like, they've now
become a destination. I think that's a shame. You know, we're
the only this indication out is, is really at this point to us.
And then people get it from us. And I think I have high hopes
for pod fans. You know, to start creating communities around the
artist,
Dave Jones: basically building an app though.
Adam Curry: The app they have?
Dave Jones: Yeah, like they're they're an app. Yeah. I mean,
they're an app. And a host to him is sort of like dystopia.
dystopia is that way too. They're an app and a host?
Adam Curry: Well, that there's I mean, if if you're gonna be an
app, then you're missing a lot of features.
Dave Jones: Yeah, I think they're, I think they're just
turning the corner because you know, they had to pivot. That's,
that's the wrong way to say it's not pivot. That's not what I
mean. But like, they started, they started with one idea. And
then our, you know, ours, they they moved into RSS, I think
they're still trying to catch up with things and, and I think I
see their strategy. And, you know, I'm hopeful for what
they're doing. I think I think it makes I think it makes some
sense for them. And that, and I just don't I want, I just wrote
careful about us becoming an accidental destination. In
Adam Curry: biometrics. We've known with you. That's why I'm
like, don't let's not do spend another second on that page.
Yeah, no, it is what it is. And I just want to encourage app
developers to ingest the data, do something creative with it,
give us ideas, what endpoints Do you want? What do you need? Now,
sift and shift and do whatever, to have this make sift and shift
and gets a show title? To have, you know, to make it make sense
out of it. I mean, it's, I think we all fall into this very
easily, ourselves included without even thinking about it.
We are. This is like going back to the very early days. You guys
need to market podcasting to point out no, we suck. We're not
going to do that. We're not we're not going to market we're
not going to build an app. We're not going to build the
destination. We actually tried it and we could never like it.
We know here's your three paths. No, no, it's all there and
Anybody can do this. I would love nothing more than someone
else to come up with the definitive podcasting 2.0
homepage. You know, here's what you do. Or here's what you
here's where you go. You know, that's good. We have a we're a
technology club
Dave Jones: is the No. Yes. It's that thing where the thing that
other people use to do the thing? Yeah, free. Yes, free. I
think so. On another see. The other issue here is a DJ shows.
I don't know what to call these things. I call it like Mr.
Graham ball. What do you call it?
Adam Curry: I call it a value for value music podcast.
Dave Jones: Okay. So value value music podcasts. They need their
own chart. Right? Because you want to discover those two.
Adam Curry: Okay, well, you know, this, this is okay. This
is what I've been crying for. And I think it's probably
already all there. Maybe it's not, but I would Okay, so how
about Elon beats? I'm just going to use LNBs because this This is
Steven B is making apps. He makes a million apps a second.
While he's wiring up apartment buildings. I don't understand
it. Yet. He has a family. I think that they haven't divorced
him yet.
Dave Jones: It's a fake family.
Adam Curry: It's not really it's like he's in he's in the HOV
lane with blowup dolls. It's not really that doesn't really so I
would Ellen beats here's what I would love to see an LNB I click
I play a song and they're only open let me just open up Ellen
beats and read now. Okay, the PWA which works great. Okay, so
now I go to Kurdish drums and there's call me medley Okay, wow
that's so so sexy responsive. So here I have the album art I've
got share of God I can heart that I can boost it and it
should say as heard on Instagram bone that data is out there and
then and then you should be able to click on booster grand ball
and and there I should be able to see what other songs that
that episode of booster gram ball has played all this data is
there
Dave Jones: is there where do you where it where is Okay, so
where is there okay,
Adam Curry: so it was so Kurt however we figure out booster
Graham ball played Call me medley on these episodes or
maybe just says as played on boosted grandpa I click on that
and it says played in these episodes. It click on that. And
it says other songs played in this episode, which is all
available from the feed from the remote items. Now Now you've got
discovery,
Dave Jones: you're talking about in Elon, this would be in the
Elon base or such or or pod
Adam Curry: verse or found in or wherever. And then and then and
now. You're not only discovering music, you're discovering other
podcasts.
Dave Jones: That how does he get that information from the feed?
Oh,
Adam Curry: remote items. Remote item magic wallets switching
technology.
Dave Jones: Yes. So he's getting so he's going to be scanning.
Okay, because I was thinking that this was stuff that we
would have to provide. In your in your you're saying this is
already in the feed so he can they the apps can just look at
these feeds. I would hope they can make the Ha ha ha.
Adam Curry: Okay, explain how we do it now because I just made
that up and you're like, Aha, so I figured this is usually how it
goes, Hey, David got this great idea. Like, well, I can make
that work. I'll build I'd be back tomorrow. But now we have
to let other people do that.
Dave Jones: You left out a step. I usually like no, you can't do
that. Yeah, well, we can do that.
Adam Curry: I actually had a dream the other night, because
you said to me on the last show, when we're done with all this
when it come back to s OPML. And I had a dream about it, man. It
was That was weird. It was weird. And we will come back. I
know we're gonna we're gonna be like, I'd be like with my
walker. Hey, hey, so PML do still have freedom controller
things to
Dave Jones: work. It'll still be running 10 years from now. It
will.
Adam Curry: Alright, so explain how we do that. So you
understand what I'm saying? Yes,
Dave Jones: I understand what you're saying. And so all so the
dead the data for the time. Basically, they absolutely do
what we do to build the chart. It would just be return, you
know, rube back back out of the data. And so we, because it's a
big time, well,
Adam Curry: let me ask you this in the can we make an endpoint
available that if an app says, Nate, Jonathan, time 169 boosts?
Can you now figure out from that? What shows boosted it? Can
we do we provide that data? Is that something we can easily
provide? Should we be providing it?
Dave Jones: All? I don't know the answer to any of that. I
know the answer to some of those questions. Not all that should
we provide it had no idea. I mean, do can can we provide a
yes. But with a lot of work book. So here's the issue.
So there's, back in the background of of podcasting
index in the back office, you have the API, which consists of
the database and the front end server web servers that that
accept the HD HD API request. Then you have a separate server
called PI Powell P IP, a URL that is the server name, and it
pulls the podcast index, lightning node, once a minute to
get an info, pulls all Yeah, pulls in all of the all of the
l&d transactions, parses out the TLVs sticks them in a date in
its own database. Now, that was only meant for Cluj. I wouldn't,
I would normally fess up and immediately say yes, if you ever
if you ever accused me of a Cluj, I normally cop to that
immediately. In this circumstance, I will say that
this actually not a Cluj. Okay. This was because the intent of
the pipe house server was only for it was for two things it was
for our internal accounting, so we could report done boot like
lightning donations to the IRS. And so that we could do so we
could store them all to be able to pull boosts out to read on
the show. So it was basically just a internal accounting
system for us. Right, and immediate. So then, then we, of
course, as normal as all these things do, it began to do more
than what it was, it became
Adam Curry: an important production item.
Dave Jones: Yes, exactly. And so now what happened was, what
happened was, this thing grew, and now it hosts it's generating
the chart because it's got all the l&d data,
Adam Curry: right, right. This is clearly not a great way to do
what we're talking about through TLVs.
Dave Jones: So if we were to make the we can't easily make
this available in APR, because it's not even the date. It's not
even in the main database, it's in a whole other different
database. No, I understand this back to the main database in
order to be able to even serve it, you know, okay,
Adam Curry: so Stephen B, posted something in the chat. And by
the way, after the show, Alex gates will figure it all out and
tell us what to do. But now he's yelling
Dave Jones: at us.
Adam Curry: He's going live is going live, so you can pitch in
her head about it. So Steven B says, Can the API return feeds
that have a specific route remote item in it? And I'm sure
the answer right now is no. But is that is that something
because I know that in order to help apps like cast ematic, we
discussed storing the remote item data? Is that something
that will be possible? Or is that like a huge lookup that
that we're not qualified to do or big enough to do?
Dave Jones: No. But yes.
Adam Curry: Okay. And that concludes our broadcast.
Dave Jones: Now, not at the moment, but in but definitely is
definitely in on the roadmap because we remote item. I was
just about to put remote item support into the API. And then
and then we halted into the chart. So
Adam Curry: well, this is good because this is this is how we
come this is our iteration. Okay. But can I just step back
for one second, get our heads out of the technology, and
explain why I think this is important. Because I'm sure that
I'm sure there are people yelling at like, how come we're
not talking about the pinning episodes tag?
Dave Jones: Yeah, I know what we're not talking about that.
But yes.
Adam Curry: This is the opportunity we have here as a
group. To create an entire we've already started, we've created a
new category of podcast, which for almost 20 years has not
existed. We are igniting, artists are on fire. They're
igniting and they're very, very, very excited. I know this,
because this is this is what I do. I feel what's happening. I
feel what people are sending me. The excitement is there. People
are curious what's happening, the stuff going on. There's,
there's a new kid in town. And that new kid has one leg and
three fingers. And that's us. And, and we're trying to figure
this out. But the beauty, the beauty of turning what we're
talking about here into a discovery mechanism. And by the
way, it doesn't just have to be V for V music podcast. I mean,
think about someone hearing a J dog song, or seeing a J dog song
and saying, Hey, I liked this and then winding up with at
podcasting. 2.0 Because we played J dog. That's, that's
real discovery. So, you know, I totally imagine, you know, if
you listen to the radio, people play a song. Even NPR, you know,
it's like, we're gonna play a song. It's not like all top 40
Adam curry booster Grand Ball stuff. Tina, and I would like to
play a song that in our show, but just a song. And let's say
let's say that's, you know, bend orful. And someone hears that.
It's like, Oh, what, what what other podcast or it's a
connector. We can connect podcasts. And even people at a
certain point to each other, and artists to each other through
this mechanism. And the category. I am going to, I said
this a couple shows, I'm going to supercharge the hosting
business. If people will be banging a path to your door, to
be able to play music in their podcast to be able to have music
that can be played in podcasts. It's something that has never
it's like it's blue sky. It's completely open. And we can do
it. No one else can do this. And the and the content is there.
And so we will grow podcasting with leaps and bounds by
figuring this out.
Dave Jones: In Okay, let me drive it back. And let me let me
drive it back into tech for a sec, please. We read? I don't
think we have the time for this on on this. In this board
meeting, but I think
Adam Curry: we need an office. We need an off site
Dave Jones: with pastries
Adam Curry: and a barbecue. Yes. And barbecue. Yes.
Dave Jones: And we'll bring in a motivational speaker. The next
in the next board meeting 100%. Andriy we need to discuss
categories. Yes. Because that is that that go that maps that map
you're right. I'm with you. I'm with you. But But it's even.
It's more than that though. Because I'm still banging my
head against the wall of this of this issue. And if people may
think it may sound myopic to be focusing this, like we're
focusing a lot on music. Oh, now like right in it a lot recently
in the in the boardroom. But the issue is, all of these things
when you when you it goes back to what you just said. The this
is a new category of of of PA podcast, which is never been,
it's never been possible to. It has never been possible to
define a new category of podcasts because of the medium
tag because of Alex's medium tag made that possible. Now we have
the ability to define, we have the language and the skin in the
schema to define a new a new Literally a new type of content
writing on top of the podcast delivery network. And so the all
of these things that we're discussing about, here's a
problem. And we need to fix this in music. Here's all of these
things. Right now we're discussing them within the
framework of the music medium, right? They will map all of the
same issues will have to be sorted out for every other type
of medium that we go down. So this is a this is this is an
easy,
Adam Curry: it's an easy way to start figuring out the the
plumbing, so that it maps to books, movies, yes.
Documentaries, porn. Oops, that I say that.
Dave Jones: In blogs, blogs, yeah. That's what you meant to
say. The
Adam Curry: end. Yeah, what comes into play? So PML? Before
you know it,
Dave Jones: and we're right back to you know, so this is a, this
is a length, this is a language and syntax for a new for a new
defined content. And if right now, it's within the framework
of music. But this is just, this is a mad laboratory, right? For
all the things that come next. And, you know, so that's a long
way around to say, what is bothering me is the fact that we
can't define booster Graham ball in a way that I can find it in
the index. Because what I want to do, what I want to be able to
do is to say is to find a list of all of all value for value
music podcasts. The thing I want, because I know what they
are. I know, I know, it's Mr. Graham ball. It's a mood,
lightning thrashes power was the power of music hour. Like, I
know the list. But there's no I can't tell the index to give me
the list or or an app to give me the list.
Adam Curry: Okay, can I give it it? Kind of give it a try? Sure.
You can find booster Graham ball by saying podcast that has
remote items. That equal medium medium equals music.
Dave Jones: Which will also bring back this show. Yes. But
this is not a this is not a this show and booster Graham ball are
just fundamentally different types of shows. And I don't like
that I'm sorry, con January homegrown hits. That's an it's
no. So
Adam Curry: hey, man, talk about my show.
Dave Jones: Give me props. The so. And we've we've mentioned
possibly another music medium, but I don't want to clog those
words up another medium Excuse me, but I don't know if that's
appropriate. It may be the combination, what what may solve
this problem is the combination of of a medium, and a category
brought together. I don't know right. So like if we define a
radio medium, which is which has been proposed, Alex proposed
that if we define the radio, radio medium, or showcase or
whatever you can call it if we define that medium, and then we
bring in because we get Alright, I think I'm figuring this out as
we go. So when you what things are changes based on the medium.
So if the medium is and we know this if that the medium is
podcast, then the transcript is a transcript of the words that
are spoken on the show, right? If the medium is music, the
transcript is now lyrics. We know that these things change
based on the medium, the medium controls, it drives the what the
other things downstream from it mean. So within music,
categories become genres. And so in there could be a way in which
Adam Curry: so for instance, if I can just invite in a medium he
calls music interview show.
Dave Jones: Uh, yeah, yeah. Yeah. Or, or medium equals right
and medium equals radio, music. A category. So it's a radio
show. It's a music radio show.
Adam Curry: Yeah, I don't like that. But it doesn't matter. I
understand what you're saying.
Dave Jones: You get the gist. Yeah, yeah, of course. Of
course. I mean that. So I think I think I think we got to have
the category discussion this this, this may be the next, the
next bacon.
Adam Curry: Is this a GitHub issue that we open to take
submissions? Or is this something that, that we just go
all Idi Amin and just create it tell your buddy to shut up?
Dave Jones: No, do not do the Israeli Israeli method of
Adam Curry: Mossad medium?
Dave Jones: Yes, no, this is not the right way to do this. So
there there are category discussions that have been long,
long buried in the GitHub that needs to be resurrected, so that
we can start afresh. Okay, that I think I think that's where we
have to travel next.
Adam Curry: Well, then, let's travel there, let's let's not
even do anything else. Because it seems like we need that.
Before we can get to this this discovery journey that I'm
talking about. Is that correct?
Dave Jones: It's already be Yeah, I think so. Because it's
already becoming an issue because see, because I guess ESP
is like, I don't listen to that crap. I just listened to
challenge for trans trans. And so I can't listen to value for a
minute. There's probably some had some trans out there, but he
can't find it because we don't have categories that allow for
that.
Adam Curry: Right. Well, that's very specific. I mean, a
Dave Jones: lot of people are like, I don't listen to
anything. But
Adam Curry: no, I know. I know. I'm just saying that now you're
going into, because I may play a trend song. You may. And I would
like CSB to be able to find the episode where I play a
transformer. How's that sound? Yeah. Yeah, my head hurt.
Dave Jones: Yes, this is it's 943 at night, we know who was
too intense. Let's
Adam Curry: thank some people. So we thank some people, because
we've done a lot. We've done a lot today. And we look in this
special board meeting and we are the only board meeting that
operates out of office hours. I want everyone to be be aware of
that. And we appreciate everyone showing up nice showing we have
a quorum. I've been to many board meetings. It's clear. Here
we go. Couple of booster grabs that came in while we're doing
the show live sir Libra 33,333 Great to hear the opening of
lightning thrashes on the last Episode Episode Four is out now
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Dave Jones: I just got it I just got that drop in the podcast
app.
Adam Curry: Oh, you did oh cued up. Oh, I'm
Dave Jones: gonna have to listen to behind I haven't even
listened to lightning so it's just three yet. So you've
already got four
Adam Curry: row of ducks from the mere mortals podcast with
duck emojis no less, which is nice. I'll make a pitch for V
for V come check out the value for value show. Another add
another 2222 for mere mortals podcast live boosting for early
episodes. Let's make this a thing. Think of the hashtag
think of the Australians oh it's probably because it's a
different he's like Hey, I could find it listen to it live I got
a time shifting this Right. Eric p p 33,333. Thank you brother. I
can find all this in live there he is. That must have been a
coyote although it didn't doesn't say Kira and came in on
pod verse row of ducks 2222 There Steven B 15,002. Davi das
booster grant perhaps the church or band could use so I love
this. We got people boosting so we got dove out just do this in
sequence. dovie does 15,000 sets but I'll remind you what he said
talk to a church that does a prayer podcast even V for V is
difficult because you need to ask for value which may ruin the
experience similar to RSS music. We need ways to ask for value
outside the episodes themselves. Stephen B replies love this
50 1000s at Adobe das Bookstagram perhaps the church
or band could use chapters to request value for value replace
the art with a really cool chapter are requesting a boost
of support. But we don't use we don't use that enough. Chapter
says a lot of cool stuff you can do with chapters. Dred Scott,
he's up and about 123456 He says a little boost MC boost Musa MC
boost for y'all boost boost boost boost. 20 is Blaze on am
Dave Jones: seven is only 745 in California.
Adam Curry: And that's what we got. We got another Dred Scott
1234 who might have been testing thank you all for those Bucha we
should we go through our booster grams while we're at it so we
can. Yeah, you have the this. I'll just remind everybody this
is a value for value podcast. This is where in our church
here, we asked you to support us. We do we're not bashful at
all.
Dave Jones: Tom tell and treasured just exactly lucky to
hear from the pulpit.
Adam Curry: Exactly. That's right, exactly
Dave Jones: what I want to say that I have not had time to look
to dig into So Sam Sethi has been boosting us from pod fans,
Adam Curry: and we still are still not showing up in my
helipad. So it's
Dave Jones: not showing us I have to figure out what is going
on. So I gotta dig those up. They may come through in the
boosts,
Adam Curry: maybe they come through the streams,
Dave Jones: they may come, they may come through in the boost,
I'm going to read in a minute, but if they don't, I just want
to add not forgotten, Sam, I will, I'm going to find that I'm
going to tell
Adam Curry: you what it is, though. I'm gonna tell you what
it is what he's doing what he's doing. He's either putting
booster grommets that have boost, or he's putting boost
with a capital B, somehow I have a feeling that that's why it's
not showing up in helipad. Is that even possible? What I'm
saying here?
Dave Jones: It's, it's very possible. So I know why it's not
working in hell Upad is because we haven't made the adjustment
to it. This is a good time to say thank you very much to Harry
EPS. Indeed, he has done the Lord's work but on Eric on Hello
pad. But by no heat. So he he's been adding features to it.
While I've been tied up with lots of other things, and he's
getting really good at that with that code base. But the thing he
did the other day, which is very helpful, is he made a GitHub
action that will automatically compile, compile hella pad.
It'll cross compile it for different architectures for ARM
64 and four for x 64. And push it so when whenever somebody
comes, whenever somebody commits to the main branch in helipad,
it now automatically builds a Docker image and pushes it to
Docker hub so that you can pull down and have the latest code
immediately. Nice. Yeah, and that's we tested it out the
other day works perfectly. Cuz this is I just really appreciate
what he's doing. Very big deal. Let's see we got Buzzsprout
$500.
Adam Curry: Well, right off the bat. 20 on I am Paula, thank
you. Thank you. Thank you
Dave Jones: came in after hours on a special courier for the
just in time for the show. Let's see. Thank you guys, Kevin and
Tom. Appreciate that very much. Boosts. Mr. Graham's we got
three C 333. Sets from Gene Everett says live boost tests.
We got you. We got your gene. Yep, sure do. Let's see. Okay,
so here's here's pod fans. Here's Sam listening so we may
Okay, so this may be coming through so what I did was I made
the adjustments to their TLVs on our on the PI pal server so that
we could do it right so we just need to make that'll
Adam Curry: work and heli inhaler pad Yeah.
Dave Jones: Sir truck driver gave us 3333 through founding
says first time list. Also new to boosting. Enjoy. And thank
you for your courage in the morning.
Adam Curry: Go podcast. Just I just did. By accident. I hit
that button. It works. It works.
Dave Jones: See, that's me go through here yet. Here's some
more pod fans. So I am having to sort of vet these in real time.
Because in order to figure out the pod fans thing, I turned a
basically it's not doing any filtering. It's just giving me
the whole shebang. So there's a lot I got you through that
normally wouldn't be coming through so I got to run through
this in real time. Let's see. Do
Adam Curry: I sing a little song playing
Dave Jones: booster Graham's. See? Oh, love that Mandelbrot
track. Thank you for your courage. That's from future.
Future, sir. Tosh. Oh, you found thank you for you. Sir Tashi
sent us 167 SATs out of 3333 They went to Mandalay went to
Bandolero gene bein 111 out of tu tu tu tu through cast ematic
and that went to ies Yeah, that's
Adam Curry: awesome. Oh man. No, bro.
Dave Jones: This is a really it's really cool. I seeing all
the TLVs come together because you can see what portion went to
us. It's like it'll say this of this, you know, like 111 out of
two to two nice.
Adam Curry: Yeah, I mean, I'm in the new help and the new Hello
Pat. I'm seeing some of that but also I mean so what I'm seeing
now for instance, from a fountain I'm seeing booster
Graham ball episode nine and then in For ends when it's over.
So that was the track and that can click on the on the
timestamp and then I get the whole TLV record opens right up,
which is kind of cool.
Dave Jones: That is, yeah that. See? 2022 chyron for mere
mortals podcast, they found he says, I pay a fixed cost for
blueberry. And they also take a 3% split. I'm totally fine with
that. As for Mordovia Das,
Adam Curry: yeah. You'd be you'd be amazed. You'd be amazed when
you think people won't pay for something. If it's valuable and
you kind of leave that open. They do.
Dave Jones: Limit creations as our buddy Andy layman, sent us
1000 SATs to cast magic he says, I asked blueberry about see
names for podcasts mirror and they don't do it. But that would
be awesome. Oh, they made pictures on the roadmap, then.
Adam Curry: Yeah, I'm thinking they should I mean, that's kind
of Todd think a drone.com.
Dave Jones: Yes, right. Lehmann, Andy comes in again with another
1000 SAS he says someone should create a V for V music play out
system that hooks into all the music sites and automatically
creates a debate automatically creates value time splits and
has the ramp time so you can hit the post that would be awesome.
Yeah, what is ramped time I don't assume.
Adam Curry: So that's that's a term so in in my am errorless,
which is my playout system. I can you know I can I can
literally set a little a little yellow line that's where the the
vocal start. And so the minute I hit play it the two counters
start to run one is the total time left and one is the number
of seconds left until that ramp is done. And then you hit the
post as we call it, which means the vocal start or some accent
in the music where you want to where you want to dump out
that's very advanced and we'll get there one day
Dave Jones: so that's something you mark you mark that time
Yeah, yeah, before you start the intro for the next Yeah,
Adam Curry: that's that's a little bit down the road.
Dave Jones: Let's see as far as gates Oh, hey Sir Alex 111 was
actually Richard three pot verse he says he's thrown some nostril
Hey, so noster is literally just a shitty and unreliable PubSub
system. There is no fixing it without adding centralization.
This is coming from a system architect who does this for a
living my disdain for it comes from this. It will not scale for
its intended purpose. Please lower your expectations for
future use. At public service announcement, lower your
expectations
Adam Curry: lower
Dave Jones: Thank you Alex as source de 1701 Star Trek booster
pod verse he says Adam No. Fee for V is value for value. Don't
bring only fans into it.
Adam Curry: I'm sorry. I'm sorry. What was I think I know
that wasn't that was not smart.
Dave Jones: John's BRT. 1667 SATs at a 33 333 That's for a
song that I don't that I cannot tell because all I have is good.
But I'm sure it was excellent. Tread word 3333 through pod
version no note. See that we get some more. There's some more pod
fans. Oh, some some quack. Send us through 111 through fountain
he says thanks. Well, thanks. Thanks. Do you never it 2222 He
says boost boost sir Shauna the Allegheny Valley 1128 SATs the
cast ematic no note thank you sir Sean. He's got quite a
string of these all different amounts 1009 1065 1010
Adam Curry: Go crazy Wow, he's
Dave Jones: killing it thanks for sharing I don't know how
much that added up to crazy Nice. Oh Lord F 35 Jump around
remix starting at that gas screen nice got a link is a
YouTube link I don't know if I can play that. You can't you
can't hear my stuff. So it doesn't we got to
Adam Curry: fix that. Yeah, we got to fix it. You need to be
able to play clips man.
Dave Jones: I'm gonna try I'm gonna try moving it over to
rearrange it over to the Mac. When I get a chance. Is we get
1033 alkalis do foul taste is also conversation. David gets
your frustration over the BTC bros out there their group they
grew tiring and also include that a bunch of debt include
that bunch of BTC Maxis as well. Presuming all other coins out
there or shit coin is toxic, doing the entire blockchain
movement a huge disservice. There are some incredibly
underrated projects out there bubbling to the surface that can
work alongside not against the Lightning Network. Love the show
guys in the morning
Adam Curry: in the morning to you
Dave Jones: 500 SATs through from amorphous continuum wow
that's a name do finally says that sir is amazingly effing
useful. Thank you. Oh, you're welcome. See was jumped through
here. This is funny. I see so much. I see so much pod fans in
here.
Adam Curry: Oh yeah, it was you see all the streams as well? Is
that what you're saying?
Dave Jones: Yeah, because when I turned out when I turned off the
filter to show everything it's just like
Adam Curry: you get a lot a lot coming in when because it's all
the minute by minute stuff.
Dave Jones: And you see but it's all different users it's not
just SAM No It's everybody. Yes a
Adam Curry: lot of stuff.
Dave Jones: You see the you really get a appreciation for
the for the usage going on over there. It's great. Okay 333 from
anonymous great song and we got did you do Mike Newman boosting
the podcasting 2.0 squad from somewhere sometime in the future
like this ship, go podcasting
Adam Curry: Podcast. I'm sorry what happened? Oh,
Dave Jones: that was a striper boost. 77 777
Adam Curry: I'm completely messed up. I see. I should at
least do the striper boost. Yeah, here we go
I got it. I got it. I got it.
Dave Jones: doubled up. Took me a minute. And we gotta come
straight blogger it's 30 3015 to delimiter through fountain he
says how do you David Adam, please invite your listeners to
visit my blog at www dot CSB dot lol for my cartoons about
everything. And to give me ideas for cartoons to draw via Twitter
slash x et et CSB. Just three letters C S and B yo, yo yo, yo
I'm going that was going for more of a like Twilight Zone.
type of presentation there.
Adam Curry: Imagine the world
Dave Jones: what was his name?
Adam Curry: The rod Sterling, Rod Sterling and man not bad for
958 Sterling or Sterling? Could be certainly could be Sterling
Sterling and whatever.
Dave Jones: And we got some monthlies. We got Jordan
Dunnville $10 Thank you, Jordan Cameron Rose $25 Cameron been
around a long time. Thank you, man. Jeff's got $15 Michael
Kimmer $5.33 a magic number and Pedro Goncalves, $5. Thank you
guys.
Adam Curry: Thank you all so much value for value is the name
of the game. It's what we play. It's how we keep everything
running for this podcast for the boardroom. But of course for all
the servers. You keep everything running, keeping it available
for all in the podcasting 2.0 Community podcast. index.org at
the bottom two red buttons up you know what, I should probably
check the tally coin. You know, that's probably where dribs
God's been hanging out. One of them is for your pay, pal.
That's your Fiat fun coupons. Or you can go to Ha ha didn't add
it. Okay, good. Or you can go to the other one for an unchained
donation which people begged us for and the only person doing it
is Dred Scott. What we really want you to do those, go to
podcast apps.com. Get a brand new modern podcast app and boost
us give us a boost to Graham so we know what's going on what's
on your mind. So you can respond to other people. So beautiful
system. Thank you all so much. Especially our our hosting
companies who are always really really generous. We'd appreciate
it. Thank you so much. But But nothing is is unappreciated.
We'd love it all. For sure. All right, so we have homework and
homework as we all think about categories. And I guess we're
gonna resurrect something on the GitHub, and try it.
Dave Jones: I'm gonna go I'm gonna go digging. Yes. Okay.
Find the answer. It's 10 o'clock. I think we I think we
nailed
Adam Curry: it. Thank you chat room. We really, really know
tallyho from each night says Dr. John. Okay. Dr. It's okay. It's
fine. Go to sleep. Thank you all very much for for being here for
this special board meeting. We will not be releasing it. So
until tomorrow. So if you are here, then you got you got an
early no one else gets it. And we'll release it tomorrow. I'll
release it before I leave. So it will be tomorrow morning. And
Have yourselves a great weekend. Dave. Brother. Thank you so
much, man. I really appreciate you changing your schedule for
this as well.
Dave Jones: Yeah, man. Absolutely. I have a safe trip
to Houston. Hope it I hope you have a good time. I expect to
expect a full report.
Adam Curry: Full Report. Yes. Right. We'll have it in the in
the meeting minutes. Yes, indeed. Hi, everybody. Thank you
very much for being here for the board meeting of podcasting. 2.0
We'll be back next Friday. And we'll do it all over again.
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