1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:06,330 Adam Curry: Oh, casting 2.0 for October 20 2023, episode 151 One 2 00:00:06,330 --> 00:00:13,860 big table Well, hello, Friday that must mean for another board 3 00:00:13,860 --> 00:00:17,400 meeting your podcast in 2.0. We are the only boardroom that is 4 00:00:17,400 --> 00:00:20,910 not available on Youtube, who gives you all the latest lowdown 5 00:00:20,910 --> 00:00:23,520 on modern podcasting, everything happening with the podcast 6 00:00:23,520 --> 00:00:27,240 namespace, whatever we got going on and podcast index.org And of 7 00:00:27,240 --> 00:00:30,480 course all the happenings of podcast index dot social. I'm 8 00:00:30,480 --> 00:00:32,610 Adam curry here in the heart of the Texas Hill Country and in 9 00:00:32,610 --> 00:00:35,130 Alabama, the man who knows the lyrics to a song for every 10 00:00:35,130 --> 00:00:38,070 modern buzzword say hello to my friend on the other end. Ladies 11 00:00:38,070 --> 00:00:45,330 and gentlemen, Mr. Dave Jones. Look. Yes, look, look. Look at 12 00:00:45,330 --> 00:00:46,920 hairy legs. Look. 13 00:00:49,230 --> 00:00:52,680 Dave Jones: I can claim rookie status in podcasting. 14 00:00:52,770 --> 00:00:56,670 Adam Curry: Yes. What do you say? What are you gonna say? 15 00:00:56,970 --> 00:01:00,120 Dave Jones: I mean, three, three times in a row. That's not Adam 16 00:01:00,120 --> 00:01:00,930 curry quality. 17 00:01:02,190 --> 00:01:08,070 Adam Curry: It's been a rough week. I I took Tina to the to 18 00:01:08,070 --> 00:01:13,080 the airport yesterday, San Antonio. She and six girlfriends 19 00:01:13,080 --> 00:01:14,460 are now in Bryce Canyon. 20 00:01:14,969 --> 00:01:18,299 Dave Jones: I knew it. It well knew that Tina was gone. I knew 21 00:01:18,299 --> 00:01:20,219 that before we even started the show. 22 00:01:20,279 --> 00:01:22,229 Adam Curry: Well, that's interesting. Because yeah, so 23 00:01:22,229 --> 00:01:24,839 here's what happened. So I take her Wednesday. Traffic is 24 00:01:24,839 --> 00:01:30,179 horrendous. So it takes me four hours to get there and back. And 25 00:01:30,179 --> 00:01:33,809 then and I promised chyron I would do the mere mortals 26 00:01:33,809 --> 00:01:39,119 podcast. And so that you know, and so I started that at 9pm. So 27 00:01:39,119 --> 00:01:41,369 I got back, you know, I literally stopped at water 28 00:01:41,369 --> 00:01:45,929 burger jam to water burgers down my throat. keto, right, yeah. 29 00:01:45,989 --> 00:01:51,509 Yeah, total keto. With some salad in between the buns. The 30 00:01:51,509 --> 00:01:54,389 water burger, I'd say is probably the most healthy of any 31 00:01:54,389 --> 00:01:56,909 type. I would still call that basically a restaurant and not 32 00:01:56,909 --> 00:02:02,369 fast food. If there is a good company, it's pretty faster. Run 33 00:02:02,429 --> 00:02:07,619 it faster on Thank you. Yes. So I do that. And so now as by the 34 00:02:07,619 --> 00:02:11,249 time we're done, it's like 11 11:30am and I have the show 35 00:02:11,249 --> 00:02:16,379 the next day. So I'm up at 7am You know, doing my, my normal 36 00:02:16,379 --> 00:02:19,799 thing. And then I had promised, who actually was very kind a 37 00:02:19,799 --> 00:02:22,679 friend of mine had said, Hey, why don't you we'll make dinner 38 00:02:22,679 --> 00:02:26,009 over here. Got another guy coming over. He owns a winery. 39 00:02:26,009 --> 00:02:32,099 We'll watch the the the Astros versus the Rangers. Which I 40 00:02:32,099 --> 00:02:32,489 guess 41 00:02:34,470 --> 00:02:36,540 Dave Jones: is something you do you watch baseball, 42 00:02:36,570 --> 00:02:39,120 Adam Curry: which is I guess, an important game. 43 00:02:41,010 --> 00:02:43,410 Dave Jones: This is not this. Okay, I see where all the 44 00:02:43,410 --> 00:02:44,430 problems are starting now. 45 00:02:44,459 --> 00:02:47,279 Adam Curry: Yeah, you know, now the guy owns a winery. This is 46 00:02:47,279 --> 00:02:52,109 the international arms dealer and his friend who owns a very 47 00:02:52,109 --> 00:02:56,189 large, very famous winery here. So we had some really excellent 48 00:02:56,189 --> 00:03:00,029 wine. Yeah, and then it's like, oh, okay, I'm home and then it's 49 00:03:00,029 --> 00:03:03,209 Friday and I got to do all this stuff because Tina is not here. 50 00:03:03,599 --> 00:03:07,589 So yeah, and then you know, so yes, you're right. I'm out of 51 00:03:07,589 --> 00:03:09,659 sorts. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. Hi, 52 00:03:09,690 --> 00:03:13,770 Dave Jones: Karen. You bastard This is your fault. 53 00:03:14,520 --> 00:03:18,300 Adam Curry: It is a little bit it was nice. It was it was fun 54 00:03:18,300 --> 00:03:21,030 to talk with with kind it's been a while I think had been a year 55 00:03:21,030 --> 00:03:24,630 maybe since we had maybe even longer since we had last time 56 00:03:24,630 --> 00:03:27,990 you did the V for V show. No, no mere mortals. Oh, I 57 00:03:27,990 --> 00:03:29,820 Dave Jones: thought you did memorials last time in favor of 58 00:03:29,820 --> 00:03:31,950 at this time. No, I must have been back 59 00:03:31,980 --> 00:03:35,040 Adam Curry: no I've not done V for V i think it's only been 60 00:03:35,040 --> 00:03:35,760 mere mortals. 61 00:03:36,330 --> 00:03:38,490 Dave Jones: Oh, which is fine. Still queued up for me out I 62 00:03:38,490 --> 00:03:38,940 haven't listened. 63 00:03:39,990 --> 00:03:42,480 Adam Curry: You mean the last from the last year the last time 64 00:03:42,480 --> 00:03:42,780 I did 65 00:03:45,390 --> 00:03:47,700 Dave Jones: not listen to the last one. This new one. 66 00:03:48,299 --> 00:03:51,059 Adam Curry: So I've been something amazing happened. I 67 00:03:51,059 --> 00:03:57,659 love it when when this happens in in the podcasting 2.0 band of 68 00:03:57,659 --> 00:04:02,369 vagabonds because what else can we call ourselves? This is this 69 00:04:02,369 --> 00:04:02,999 is the most 70 00:04:03,179 --> 00:04:05,459 Dave Jones: you can't say gypsies anymore. What's the new 71 00:04:05,489 --> 00:04:06,239 word for that? 72 00:04:08,370 --> 00:04:11,520 Adam Curry: I wish I could Yeah, gypsies is actually fine. But 73 00:04:11,520 --> 00:04:13,890 yeah, I know we'll get all kinds of problem with the gypsies. 74 00:04:14,070 --> 00:04:16,650 Dave Jones: I'm not I'm still not I'm still unsure why that's 75 00:04:16,650 --> 00:04:19,140 been canceled out of the lexicon. But is that no you 76 00:04:19,140 --> 00:04:23,040 Adam Curry: can say is you can say gypsy you can't say Jip. Oh, 77 00:04:23,040 --> 00:04:25,980 you can't say that was a gyp become your thing racist against 78 00:04:25,980 --> 00:04:26,760 gypsies to 79 00:04:26,760 --> 00:04:28,380 Dave Jones: 2.0 band of gypsy 80 00:04:29,460 --> 00:04:32,190 Adam Curry: band of gypsies you know what's gonna happen get 81 00:04:32,190 --> 00:04:33,750 some gypsies come and mess me up. 82 00:04:33,840 --> 00:04:36,510 Dave Jones: Oh, Nathan G says Romani Yeah, you're supposed to 83 00:04:36,510 --> 00:04:37,620 call a specific Romani 84 00:04:37,650 --> 00:04:40,410 Adam Curry: doesn't have quite the appeal of gypsies. It's not 85 00:04:40,410 --> 00:04:43,560 as fun of a because I imagine John Spurlock can was like a big 86 00:04:43,560 --> 00:04:44,580 gold earring. 87 00:04:46,200 --> 00:04:47,550 Dave Jones: Nose Nose ring. Yeah, 88 00:04:47,580 --> 00:04:50,190 Adam Curry: no yeah, nose ring with a skull Cadillacs wearing 89 00:04:50,190 --> 00:04:55,890 suits. With big, big, ballooning silk shirt. 90 00:04:56,340 --> 00:04:57,930 Dave Jones: Yes, here's a blouse, 91 00:04:57,960 --> 00:05:02,190 Adam Curry: a blouse. A blouse. Yes. So just threw an idea out 92 00:05:02,190 --> 00:05:06,840 there about, which was inspired by a chat I had with Alex gates 93 00:05:06,840 --> 00:05:12,030 about putting booster grams into chapters dynamically. And here 94 00:05:12,030 --> 00:05:14,730 we are one week later and it's running and all my shows 95 00:05:16,379 --> 00:05:17,699 Dave Jones: realized out of the ether, 96 00:05:18,149 --> 00:05:20,459 Adam Curry: and it's working, and it even has cool things like 97 00:05:20,459 --> 00:05:26,249 top boost. I mean, this. This was so fast. I love you, John 98 00:05:26,249 --> 00:05:30,599 Spurlock that was hilariously fast. Yes. So 99 00:05:31,200 --> 00:05:34,200 Dave Jones: what a great term hilariously fast Yes. seems to 100 00:05:34,200 --> 00:05:36,660 happen in this group has happened. Hilarious. Yes, 101 00:05:36,690 --> 00:05:40,530 Adam Curry: it's the reflex service, which immediately makes 102 00:05:40,530 --> 00:05:47,520 me think of flat flat flat flex. Duran Duran is the reflex. You 103 00:05:47,520 --> 00:05:50,370 don't remember the reflex Duran Duran is reflex? I don't think a 104 00:05:50,370 --> 00:05:57,180 reflex is a lonely child his way. Yeah, they're making up the 105 00:05:57,180 --> 00:06:03,720 lyrics here. And today, it's already an inch in integration 106 00:06:03,720 --> 00:06:07,080 in sovereign feeds. So I don't even have to figure it out what 107 00:06:07,080 --> 00:06:11,790 the podcast guid is, or the episode guid pod, it goes right 108 00:06:11,790 --> 00:06:14,820 in there. Like if you just click on the end, if you don't have 109 00:06:14,820 --> 00:06:17,370 them in your value block, it'll add it to your value block. 110 00:06:18,360 --> 00:06:20,310 Dave Jones: And what's gonna, what's gonna happen is we're 111 00:06:20,310 --> 00:06:24,750 gonna get so many redirects to may enable services like this 112 00:06:24,750 --> 00:06:27,450 that like in the enclosure URL, there's going to be like, it's 113 00:06:27,450 --> 00:06:32,910 going to start exceeding maximum URL length sizes in in like, you 114 00:06:32,910 --> 00:06:35,790 know, host headers and stuff. But first 115 00:06:35,790 --> 00:06:38,760 Adam Curry: headers well this isn't on the mp3 file. This is 116 00:06:38,760 --> 00:06:40,320 only on the chapter file. 117 00:06:41,280 --> 00:06:43,830 Dave Jones: Yeah, okay. Well, same same thing same 118 00:06:45,000 --> 00:06:48,510 Adam Curry: redirect No, no, no, no, you grab it directly from 119 00:06:48,510 --> 00:06:54,420 him and he's if you have an existing an existing chapter 120 00:06:54,420 --> 00:06:57,420 json file, he sucks that in and he hands it all back on his 121 00:06:57,420 --> 00:06:59,970 reflex.io URL. So just one URL. 122 00:07:00,300 --> 00:07:02,820 Dave Jones: Yeah, but I think it's a redirect chain because 123 00:07:02,820 --> 00:07:05,340 he's got to know where the original was to do the pass 124 00:07:05,340 --> 00:07:05,730 through. 125 00:07:07,140 --> 00:07:11,640 Adam Curry: So yes, you're right. Yes. You're right. You're 126 00:07:11,640 --> 00:07:17,940 right. You're right. Hey, it's works. I don't like I can't I 127 00:07:17,940 --> 00:07:22,140 can. I mean, there's stuff going on. I saw Andrew Gromit working 128 00:07:22,140 --> 00:07:26,130 with Mark void zero on course headers. What exactly was that 129 00:07:26,130 --> 00:07:26,550 about? 130 00:07:27,480 --> 00:07:31,350 Dave Jones: Well, our, our our feet, and I'm guessing it's all 131 00:07:31,350 --> 00:07:36,870 of the mp3 in a sonos.com feeds, all of your Elvis stuff coming 132 00:07:36,870 --> 00:07:41,040 off your CDN. I'm assuming that they all suffer from lack, of 133 00:07:41,040 --> 00:07:42,360 course, preflight. 134 00:07:42,390 --> 00:07:44,640 Adam Curry: Oh, Andrew grew up with, by the way, Andrew Gromit 135 00:07:44,640 --> 00:07:47,700 to have him in the group. Let me just say, Andrew from it. Yeah, 136 00:07:47,700 --> 00:07:47,940 he's 137 00:07:47,940 --> 00:07:48,510 Dave Jones: old school. 138 00:07:48,540 --> 00:07:51,480 Adam Curry: I mean, you know him, of course, but Andrew, he 139 00:07:51,480 --> 00:07:54,720 was one of the if not the, one of the first devs to show up 140 00:07:54,720 --> 00:07:58,500 after I put the iPod or script out and said, help. And he 141 00:07:58,500 --> 00:08:02,970 showed up, and it was that was the original iPod or lemon. I 142 00:08:02,970 --> 00:08:06,990 think he's what he worked on. And that was a Windows app was 143 00:08:06,990 --> 00:08:13,830 an application. We didn't have. It was executable. And you know, 144 00:08:13,830 --> 00:08:16,920 it was with Andrew that we learned things like, it's not a 145 00:08:16,920 --> 00:08:21,480 good idea to download all items in a feed the minute you 146 00:08:21,480 --> 00:08:24,180 subscribe. I mean, this is literally the early days of 147 00:08:24,180 --> 00:08:26,850 podcasting. We had not even thought about that stuff. 148 00:08:27,300 --> 00:08:30,450 Dave Jones: And 20 years later, Apple podcast just fixed it. 149 00:08:32,460 --> 00:08:37,110 Good word was 20 years. Yeah, good work. I think Andrew where? 150 00:08:37,830 --> 00:08:41,220 I think he was involved with AECT for poets. And I mean, like 151 00:08:41,220 --> 00:08:42,900 he pops up every now and right. Yeah. 152 00:08:42,900 --> 00:08:46,350 Adam Curry: And of course, he was employee number one, I think 153 00:08:46,350 --> 00:08:50,370 at pod show. Oh, okay. Right. Yeah. brought him in right away. 154 00:08:50,370 --> 00:08:54,540 And he ran the me. We do some fun stuff. Man. We had the big 155 00:08:54,570 --> 00:08:58,890 is he a Google new? Is it? I don't know where he is. I 156 00:08:58,890 --> 00:09:02,040 thought he was a Google most a lot of the pod show. People went 157 00:09:02,040 --> 00:09:07,260 to Plex. We're not Plex. Now plunk. Splunk, Splunk. Close for 158 00:09:07,290 --> 00:09:07,590 the 159 00:09:07,620 --> 00:09:08,730 Dave Jones: big day. The data 160 00:09:08,819 --> 00:09:11,879 Adam Curry: plug whisperer, and I think a lot of them got pretty 161 00:09:11,879 --> 00:09:16,079 wealthy off of the IPO. Because most folks got in before before 162 00:09:16,079 --> 00:09:20,909 the IPO. I suppose the big deal. Yeah, the Splunk people did did 163 00:09:20,909 --> 00:09:25,079 well. And Andrew just a good guy. He really is. We just have 164 00:09:25,079 --> 00:09:28,049 fun stuff. We did like the golden ticket. This was dai 165 00:09:28,049 --> 00:09:32,339 before anyone even was thinking about it. was him that did it 166 00:09:32,339 --> 00:09:36,209 coded that Yeah, except it wasn't an ad but we'd put a 167 00:09:36,209 --> 00:09:39,839 golden ticket, which would be an insert in somewhere in the 168 00:09:39,839 --> 00:09:44,279 middle of a podcast and it was only for like Max five 169 00:09:44,279 --> 00:09:47,519 listeners. And so all of a sudden you hear congratulations, 170 00:09:47,519 --> 00:09:51,359 you're a winner. You've got a golden ticket. And that would be 171 00:09:51,389 --> 00:09:54,359 inserted on the fly and then that would be for a contest or 172 00:09:54,359 --> 00:09:58,109 some promotion, which is a great use of inserting stuff 173 00:09:58,290 --> 00:10:00,480 Dave Jones: instead of such a clever idea. Can't believe 174 00:10:00,480 --> 00:10:02,820 nobody's resurrected that and done it again. 175 00:10:03,060 --> 00:10:07,200 Adam Curry: Well they have it just use it for ads now. Yes, 176 00:10:07,620 --> 00:10:10,770 but as a contest promotion yes fantastic. It was it was really 177 00:10:10,770 --> 00:10:13,590 fun to do that stuff. We did a lot of fun stuff until it just 178 00:10:13,590 --> 00:10:16,290 didn't get fun. And Andrew I think he still hung in there 179 00:10:16,290 --> 00:10:19,020 after I left which is amazing. Yeah, 180 00:10:19,050 --> 00:10:22,530 Dave Jones: well that's when it gets really not fun when people 181 00:10:22,830 --> 00:10:26,010 start bailing out at the top and you're still there Yeah, not fun 182 00:10:26,010 --> 00:10:26,430 at all. 183 00:10:26,550 --> 00:10:30,840 Adam Curry: Well, we also got I can't remember why but uh, 184 00:10:30,840 --> 00:10:34,740 probably the this is investors VC you know guy you need a real 185 00:10:34,740 --> 00:10:38,430 technical guide we got some former Mossad Israeli guide to 186 00:10:38,430 --> 00:10:43,260 be the technology lead suite and you know, that was my first 187 00:10:43,320 --> 00:10:48,360 experience with Oh hands what we're doing an all hands stand 188 00:10:48,360 --> 00:10:51,120 up what stands up we're gonna stand to inner circle and talk 189 00:10:51,120 --> 00:10:51,660 okay 190 00:10:55,500 --> 00:10:58,290 Dave Jones: like this this tournament this is Silicon 191 00:10:58,290 --> 00:11:01,800 Valley terminology a half of it. I still don't understand. Stand 192 00:11:01,800 --> 00:11:04,020 up. I don't even know I don't know what a stand up is. I see 193 00:11:04,020 --> 00:11:07,410 people use this terms. These terms all the time at halftime. 194 00:11:07,410 --> 00:11:08,910 I have no idea what they're talking about. Well, they 195 00:11:08,910 --> 00:11:11,910 Adam Curry: literally just stand it's just I guess to keep the 196 00:11:11,910 --> 00:11:14,370 energy high. You all stand up and you go around. It's our 197 00:11:14,370 --> 00:11:18,090 Monday morning. It's not a good product. It's not good. It's not 198 00:11:18,090 --> 00:11:19,740 good to do this early on Monday morning. So 199 00:11:19,740 --> 00:11:23,100 Dave Jones: you just call it the thing that it is it's 200 00:11:23,760 --> 00:11:28,200 Adam Curry: stand up all hands I mean, I fall asleep 201 00:11:32,130 --> 00:11:35,790 Dave Jones: but yeah, the spirit this this burlock extravaganza 202 00:11:35,790 --> 00:11:38,760 with the chapters was great. Oh, he also did something very 203 00:11:38,760 --> 00:11:39,930 valuable that may have been missed. 204 00:11:39,960 --> 00:11:43,200 Adam Curry: Oh, I put I put it in the show notes that to be 205 00:11:43,200 --> 00:11:47,460 made. Yes. The breakdown of which apps and blip tend to vie 206 00:11:47,460 --> 00:11:51,540 record fields and what they send yes, this was a great idea. I 207 00:11:51,540 --> 00:11:53,880 put it in the show notes for everybody to go check it out. 208 00:11:54,660 --> 00:11:59,640 And there's some of y'all are deficient. Saying 209 00:11:59,670 --> 00:12:00,720 Dave Jones: we know who we are 210 00:12:00,750 --> 00:12:05,040 Adam Curry: we even I know now who you are. I see you breeze 211 00:12:05,070 --> 00:12:06,420 not sending a good 212 00:12:07,980 --> 00:12:12,390 Dave Jones: you Yeah, there's this this was sorely needed. And 213 00:12:13,140 --> 00:12:16,530 I was trying to communicate this stuff individually to the app 214 00:12:16,530 --> 00:12:21,210 developers over the last you know couple months and it was a 215 00:12:21,210 --> 00:12:22,530 better idea I like the way he did 216 00:12:22,560 --> 00:12:24,900 Adam Curry: oh yeah cuz canal matrix Yeah, now even I can 217 00:12:24,900 --> 00:12:25,620 shame people. 218 00:12:27,150 --> 00:12:29,340 Dave Jones: Now we can be public everybody can be embarrassed who 219 00:12:29,340 --> 00:12:30,060 was the best? 220 00:12:30,060 --> 00:12:34,560 Adam Curry: Who was the best? Let me see. I think curio caster 221 00:12:35,070 --> 00:12:42,600 has pretty much everything. And fountain also pretty pretty cool 222 00:12:42,600 --> 00:12:47,250 curio caster and cast ematic are the only ones who have the 223 00:12:47,250 --> 00:12:52,020 reply. Custom key, which is cool. I mean, it's not I can't 224 00:12:52,020 --> 00:12:55,800 use it anywhere yet. But I can just see mail give people a 225 00:12:55,800 --> 00:12:58,920 little bit of time with with this with this reflex service. 226 00:12:59,520 --> 00:13:01,620 And I think we'll come up with all kinds of cool ideas. I mean, 227 00:13:01,620 --> 00:13:05,070 right off the bat, I love the different colors. For the boost 228 00:13:05,070 --> 00:13:08,280 amount and the booster gram, I I'd like to know how I can set a 229 00:13:08,280 --> 00:13:11,820 picture on my avatar that shows up because I'm just like an 230 00:13:11,820 --> 00:13:17,520 empty head. Which is of course, true to my nature. But I'm, you 231 00:13:17,520 --> 00:13:21,180 know, like to top boosting, that's a cool little, little 232 00:13:21,180 --> 00:13:23,850 extra he jammed in there. There's fun stuff. 233 00:13:24,360 --> 00:13:28,410 Dave Jones: I want to go look at your show. We'll see I'm gonna 234 00:13:28,410 --> 00:13:31,050 pull that URL up. See what it looks like. 235 00:13:31,530 --> 00:13:35,070 Adam Curry: It's a JSON man is like Jason is some cool. Jason's 236 00:13:35,070 --> 00:13:35,880 to JSON. 237 00:13:36,330 --> 00:13:38,700 Dave Jones: template. Let's see what what show? I guess 238 00:13:38,700 --> 00:13:41,340 yesterday has no agenda would have it in there guy. Yeah. Oh, 239 00:13:41,340 --> 00:13:46,800 yeah. We got to look at it, see what see what the what the 240 00:13:46,800 --> 00:13:50,580 structure that? See, where's this? Okay, so 241 00:13:50,580 --> 00:13:52,680 Adam Curry: what's nice about it is and I haven't, you know, I'm 242 00:13:52,680 --> 00:13:56,670 sure that an exact overlap may never happen, but the existing 243 00:13:56,670 --> 00:14:00,090 chapters that dread puts in, which he also puts in later. So 244 00:14:00,450 --> 00:14:03,000 it's kind of cool because it takes him a little bit to get 245 00:14:03,000 --> 00:14:06,270 the chapters and chapter images in. And while that's happening, 246 00:14:06,450 --> 00:14:09,480 Chapter chapters are being created with booster grams. So 247 00:14:09,510 --> 00:14:13,080 it's very lively. And I think there was a good thread between 248 00:14:13,080 --> 00:14:19,440 him and James about what's the best way to refresh this for 249 00:14:19,440 --> 00:14:24,030 apps, which I have no business discussing, but I understand 250 00:14:24,030 --> 00:14:26,340 what it was about and I thought it was good. I'm trying to 251 00:14:26,340 --> 00:14:30,090 figure out you know, what do we do a no cash header or do 252 00:14:30,090 --> 00:14:33,840 something in a header and James was talking about using an E tag 253 00:14:34,500 --> 00:14:35,310 or something? 254 00:14:36,510 --> 00:14:41,880 Dave Jones: Yeah. Oh, this Oh, the chat. Steve Steven bass 255 00:14:41,880 --> 00:14:45,840 saying we need an RSS identity for listeners to Avatar could be 256 00:14:45,840 --> 00:14:47,880 in the feed. Yeah, he was talking about that the other 257 00:14:47,880 --> 00:14:52,410 day, but then half had RSS fingers. Web finger could play. 258 00:14:52,590 --> 00:14:53,880 That could be a role for that. 259 00:14:53,970 --> 00:14:56,520 Adam Curry: Now what this is where this is why we develop es 260 00:14:56,520 --> 00:14:58,290 OPML Dave What are you talking about? 261 00:14:58,560 --> 00:15:00,660 Dave Jones: Oh, yeah, no, but when things were Finger couldn't 262 00:15:00,660 --> 00:15:03,390 be a good I mean, that's already in play and the activity pub 263 00:15:03,390 --> 00:15:06,000 made that a thing. Mass 264 00:15:06,030 --> 00:15:09,390 Adam Curry: Oh, okay. Just so this existing profiles can be 265 00:15:09,390 --> 00:15:14,550 pulled up. I had an idea i, this may be something you were 266 00:15:14,550 --> 00:15:21,270 thinking of. And because me, it's like whenever I hear the 267 00:15:21,270 --> 00:15:24,900 new media show this, like, I get so discouraged because I'm 268 00:15:24,900 --> 00:15:30,300 talking about YouTube, half the time. And I realized that I'm 269 00:15:30,300 --> 00:15:34,530 kind of the same way. You know, I'll talk about noster. Yes, 270 00:15:34,560 --> 00:15:38,640 yes. Yeah. So I don't want to go too deep. But can we reverse? 271 00:15:39,930 --> 00:15:45,540 What's going on with this? Toe? noster it's no secret that 272 00:15:45,540 --> 00:15:49,320 there's a lot of like, yeah, you know, weed who needs the RSS is 273 00:15:49,320 --> 00:15:55,680 old school is sucks. You know, relays. Yeah. Can does it make 274 00:15:55,680 --> 00:15:58,020 sense? Because the only thing that's great about nostre in my 275 00:15:58,020 --> 00:16:03,000 mind is your it's literally your profile. Can we tie profiles to 276 00:16:03,000 --> 00:16:03,720 feeds? 277 00:16:06,240 --> 00:16:11,370 Dave Jones: So that, you know, I was thinking about this post by 278 00:16:13,410 --> 00:16:15,300 Adam Curry: let's check out JB 55. 279 00:16:15,540 --> 00:16:16,800 Dave Jones: JB 55. Yeah, 280 00:16:16,829 --> 00:16:18,179 Adam Curry: I have the post you want me to read? 281 00:16:19,560 --> 00:16:20,760 Dave Jones: Yes. Yeah. Okay. 282 00:16:21,840 --> 00:16:25,830 Adam Curry: This is the damos Damas developer. And we both saw 283 00:16:25,830 --> 00:16:31,140 it because I guess I saw someone has the noster relay setup. 284 00:16:32,550 --> 00:16:35,730 Bridge. Yeah, the bridge. Yeah, the bridge. Yeah, somehow I'm 285 00:16:35,730 --> 00:16:38,850 following this guy. So I see him. Thanks to some analysis 286 00:16:38,850 --> 00:16:44,970 from our intern at F Oh, seven EO b one a. According to opt in 287 00:16:44,970 --> 00:16:48,060 appstore analytics. One of the biggest issues with Dominus is 288 00:16:48,060 --> 00:16:52,740 user retention. 99% of people stop using Dominus after six 289 00:16:52,740 --> 00:16:56,700 months. In the next version, we'll be looking at ways to get 290 00:16:57,210 --> 00:17:01,170 more users to that aha moment that gets them to stick around. 291 00:17:01,440 --> 00:17:05,550 Like all of us addicts, ideas, welcome. Notifications is 292 00:17:05,550 --> 00:17:09,000 obviously a big one. But maybe we could make it easier to get 293 00:17:09,000 --> 00:17:12,750 people there first sets and that he follows up with an amazing 294 00:17:14,730 --> 00:17:20,700 revelation. And assists, said it's mostly because people don't 295 00:17:20,700 --> 00:17:26,340 reach a moment where the app provides value for them. That's 296 00:17:26,340 --> 00:17:30,540 this as the developer saying this. I'm like, wow, yes. There 297 00:17:30,540 --> 00:17:35,310 you go. And if you just read through the the comment thread, 298 00:17:35,940 --> 00:17:40,680 it's very obvious that well, a couple of things are obvious one 299 00:17:40,680 --> 00:17:44,640 is it's it's like a fart sniffing circle. It's a Bitcoin 300 00:17:44,640 --> 00:17:48,930 thing mainly. Or at least that's what you see when you come in. 301 00:17:48,930 --> 00:17:52,890 And the other one is people kind of really expect an algo to give 302 00:17:52,890 --> 00:17:57,360 them all kinds of stuff and and all kinds of dopamine hits right 303 00:17:57,360 --> 00:18:00,570 off the bat. And that's the opposite of what of what noster 304 00:18:00,570 --> 00:18:02,250 does. Yep. 305 00:18:03,960 --> 00:18:06,090 Dave Jones: Yep. I mean, the I don't know if you saw my reply. 306 00:18:06,570 --> 00:18:08,910 Adam Curry: Yes, I did. I don't know if there's that work, 307 00:18:08,910 --> 00:18:10,320 because the bridge go two ways. 308 00:18:10,920 --> 00:18:14,700 Dave Jones: It does. Yeah, it does go it goes both ways. Yeah. 309 00:18:14,700 --> 00:18:20,310 So the really there is, this was if this was foreseeable, 310 00:18:20,460 --> 00:18:25,860 obviously. You're exactly right, is that the lack of an algo? 311 00:18:25,860 --> 00:18:30,570 Makes makes the lack of a dopamine hit. And, and not a lot 312 00:18:30,570 --> 00:18:33,090 of people, you know, were there. Yeah, it's that, you know, 313 00:18:33,090 --> 00:18:36,210 there's, there's all the normal problems. This is not me, this 314 00:18:36,210 --> 00:18:39,060 is not immune to any of the network effect type issues that 315 00:18:39,060 --> 00:18:45,120 we always exhibit. But it's, there's this, there's this 316 00:18:45,450 --> 00:18:48,780 overlap. I mean, the problems with getting people into nostre 317 00:18:48,780 --> 00:18:51,660 are the exact same problems as getting people into Bitcoin. 318 00:18:52,860 --> 00:18:55,830 Because once you get there, you don't know what you're supposed 319 00:18:55,830 --> 00:19:02,160 to do with. Yes, it's like, well, I've got a lot of sets. 320 00:19:03,330 --> 00:19:06,780 Okay. Now, what do I do? Yeah, get more sets? 321 00:19:07,950 --> 00:19:12,180 Adam Curry: Because actually, that's stag Hodel. Yes, 322 00:19:12,449 --> 00:19:14,399 Dave Jones: the answer? That's the same thing with the with 323 00:19:14,399 --> 00:19:15,929 Nasr. So once you get there? 324 00:19:17,910 --> 00:19:20,670 Adam Curry: I think that's I think that's overvalued though, 325 00:19:20,670 --> 00:19:25,530 by by the NOS it. It's cool. But I think it's, and it's also been 326 00:19:25,620 --> 00:19:29,970 crippled by by the Apple Appstore. I think the the ZAP 327 00:19:29,970 --> 00:19:33,900 thing is, I mean, it's just it's overvalued by the network. 328 00:19:33,900 --> 00:19:37,020 That's not what people expect from a social network. In fact, 329 00:19:37,020 --> 00:19:41,100 they have the exact same issue RSS has, which you can call an 330 00:19:41,100 --> 00:19:44,910 issue or not, is discovery. You know, there's no discovery 331 00:19:44,910 --> 00:19:48,570 mechanism, the app can do that. I mean, that would mean Domus 332 00:19:48,570 --> 00:19:52,140 has to do all kinds of stuff to surface things and people had a 333 00:19:52,140 --> 00:19:55,560 lot of really traditional. I love the guy that says you need 334 00:19:55,560 --> 00:20:00,360 to advertise on other social networks. Yeah, I said, 335 00:20:01,530 --> 00:20:07,080 Dave Jones: Well, you know, the, the thing here is the zaps are 336 00:20:07,080 --> 00:20:10,830 not it. These apps are not the aha moments apps are not the 337 00:20:10,830 --> 00:20:15,720 big. The big thing, because I mean, you can already do that 338 00:20:16,410 --> 00:20:21,510 other places, so that the reason boosts are a big deal within 339 00:20:21,510 --> 00:20:26,730 podcasting. 2.0 is because you can't do it anywhere. You can't 340 00:20:26,760 --> 00:20:31,170 it didn't exist. It's not native to the podcasting ecosystem. 341 00:20:31,230 --> 00:20:35,490 Right. To have a to have a way to send a message back directly 342 00:20:36,090 --> 00:20:40,110 attached, you know, scotch taped to, to some money 343 00:20:40,140 --> 00:20:42,690 Adam Curry: was stuck with chewing gum, actually. Yeah. 344 00:20:43,770 --> 00:20:47,790 Dave Jones: Okay. And that's not normal within podcasting. So it 345 00:20:47,790 --> 00:20:51,540 was an aha moment. Because the podcasters when they see that 346 00:20:51,540 --> 00:20:55,050 they're like, Whoa, this is crazy, right? This is not that 347 00:20:55,080 --> 00:20:58,560 this is something that's not native to the, to the to the 348 00:20:58,560 --> 00:21:04,590 protocol or the ecosystem. Zet, zap, sending, sending a message? 349 00:21:04,860 --> 00:21:07,800 Well, that's what the that's what noster already does. Yeah, 350 00:21:07,920 --> 00:21:11,400 it already sends a message now. Now you're attaching some, some 351 00:21:11,400 --> 00:21:14,040 money to it. But you could already do that with a lightning 352 00:21:14,040 --> 00:21:15,210 invoice or something like that. Why 353 00:21:15,780 --> 00:21:18,000 Adam Curry: don't you think you can you can actually send a 354 00:21:18,000 --> 00:21:21,870 message can you? Zap is just, it's just a direct payment? I 355 00:21:21,870 --> 00:21:23,700 don't think there's an opportunity to pull 356 00:21:23,700 --> 00:21:25,440 Dave Jones: it out. There's a message. There's a payload field 357 00:21:25,440 --> 00:21:30,930 out there. Yeah. But the, but it's not. I mean, it's like, 358 00:21:30,960 --> 00:21:34,320 Well, okay, I mean, I can just post a QR code and get a 359 00:21:34,320 --> 00:21:39,270 lightning payment. I mean, it's not, it's not revelatory, right. 360 00:21:40,620 --> 00:21:43,320 In the in the way that that it was without even 361 00:21:43,320 --> 00:21:48,270 Adam Curry: before zaps the, the, the big deal about nostre 362 00:21:48,270 --> 00:21:53,970 was, it's censorship resistant, which, arguably, RSS is 363 00:21:53,970 --> 00:21:56,190 censorship resistant. The proof is in the pudding. 364 00:21:57,030 --> 00:22:00,000 Dave Jones: I would say RSS is more censorship resistant, that 365 00:22:00,000 --> 00:22:04,290 you go. You have less, you have less aggregation points, right? 366 00:22:04,410 --> 00:22:07,530 Yes, he's me. Yeah. So we have more and more aggregation within 367 00:22:07,530 --> 00:22:11,820 noster. Yeah. Because you have, you really only have a few big, 368 00:22:11,820 --> 00:22:13,110 really big relays. 369 00:22:13,170 --> 00:22:15,570 Adam Curry: And this is, it's really interesting. You say 370 00:22:15,570 --> 00:22:18,900 this, because this is exactly one of the problems I get, no 371 00:22:18,900 --> 00:22:22,470 matter what app I open, invariably, it's not connecting 372 00:22:22,470 --> 00:22:25,500 to all the relays and my followers, my subscriptions 373 00:22:25,500 --> 00:22:29,070 aren't the same. They change. And as I'm sitting there, I can 374 00:22:29,070 --> 00:22:32,340 see you go, Oh, no, I have this many followers and have this 375 00:22:32,340 --> 00:22:35,460 many I'm following Oh, we just went up again, because it's 376 00:22:35,460 --> 00:22:38,190 connecting to stuff. And that's kind of the opposite of what you 377 00:22:38,190 --> 00:22:40,860 want. And that's not what your podcast app does. Your podcast 378 00:22:40,860 --> 00:22:42,510 app says, Here's your subscriptions. 379 00:22:44,160 --> 00:22:48,840 Dave Jones: And they've they've come up to this to this wall. 380 00:22:49,110 --> 00:22:55,320 Yeah. To this rug. And I had an idea of how to help them. 381 00:22:55,620 --> 00:22:59,460 Adam Curry: This was the the tease you gave me yesterday. 382 00:23:00,750 --> 00:23:03,690 Dave Jones: So I've been thinking, you know, we've we've 383 00:23:03,690 --> 00:23:06,870 had this discussion about decentralizing the index even 384 00:23:06,870 --> 00:23:14,010 further. And I've been looking into and thinking through ways 385 00:23:14,010 --> 00:23:21,540 to do that through alpha for a long time, have wanted to do 386 00:23:21,540 --> 00:23:28,770 things over live p2p. And in that, that DHT space within 387 00:23:28,830 --> 00:23:29,940 IPFS. 388 00:23:30,389 --> 00:23:33,089 Adam Curry: The DHT isn't distributed hash space. 389 00:23:33,450 --> 00:23:34,560 Dave Jones: Yes, sexy, 390 00:23:35,910 --> 00:23:37,440 Adam Curry: sexy, sexy. 391 00:23:37,920 --> 00:23:40,290 Dave Jones: So this is all that's all good and everything. 392 00:23:40,290 --> 00:23:44,250 But but then I started thinking, you know, that's the that's the 393 00:23:44,280 --> 00:23:48,390 sort of, not wire level. But that's that's it at a lower 394 00:23:48,390 --> 00:23:56,400 protocol level. What would it be interesting to extend the API, 395 00:23:56,670 --> 00:24:04,680 beyond HTTP REST, functionality into being speaking in the 396 00:24:04,680 --> 00:24:10,770 native distributed protocols. So what I mean is like, if the API 397 00:24:10,770 --> 00:24:18,870 spoke activity pub, or if the API spoke noster Wow. And so so 398 00:24:18,870 --> 00:24:23,070 that you could these would be sort of like, I guess to start 399 00:24:23,070 --> 00:24:27,180 with, they would be bots, maybe, or something like that, where 400 00:24:27,180 --> 00:24:33,930 you could query the you could query the index through this 401 00:24:34,200 --> 00:24:39,540 through this protocol. And what you get back so let's, let me 402 00:24:39,570 --> 00:24:44,820 let me just run through in a possible interaction. So I 403 00:24:45,870 --> 00:24:55,140 mention in the in an in a post on Noster, or activity pub. I 404 00:24:55,140 --> 00:24:59,790 mentioned the podcast index, and I say something like, you know, 405 00:24:59,850 --> 00:25:03,750 I'm Searching for such and such, you know, I want I want the the 406 00:25:03,750 --> 00:25:09,930 most recent episode of podcasting 2.0. And you get a 407 00:25:09,930 --> 00:25:15,570 reply with a bunch of links that will open in normal podcast 408 00:25:15,570 --> 00:25:19,860 apps. Okay, you get a link for cast ematic a link for pod pod 409 00:25:19,860 --> 00:25:23,280 verse a link for podcast guru a link for breeze, basically, you 410 00:25:23,280 --> 00:25:24,750 get you get, you can shoot 411 00:25:24,750 --> 00:25:27,390 Adam Curry: you can choose, you can choose your, your app of 412 00:25:27,390 --> 00:25:27,990 choice. 413 00:25:28,590 --> 00:25:31,680 Dave Jones: Yeah, you get deep links to the episode or 414 00:25:31,680 --> 00:25:36,930 whatever, whatever data is being requested. So that is because 415 00:25:36,930 --> 00:25:39,810 here's the here's, here's the thing, in my thinking is that 416 00:25:40,950 --> 00:25:48,930 you know, noster suffers from, from what happens to a lot of 417 00:25:49,410 --> 00:25:53,340 software projects where they feel like they have to, they 418 00:25:53,340 --> 00:25:56,970 have they're going to reinvent everything and in this is right 419 00:25:57,000 --> 00:26:00,060 it is it is sucking a lot of attention and a 420 00:26:00,060 --> 00:26:02,190 Adam Curry: lot probably good development resources, 421 00:26:03,210 --> 00:26:06,780 Dave Jones: and horsepower, away from things that are are that 422 00:26:06,780 --> 00:26:12,060 are away from things that are already working and working 423 00:26:12,060 --> 00:26:17,550 fine. And also in like this is it's a distraction is what I'm 424 00:26:17,550 --> 00:26:21,810 saying is a it is a distraction, because the the the retention 425 00:26:21,810 --> 00:26:24,810 and all this stuff that all these things we know is that is 426 00:26:24,840 --> 00:26:27,540 does a huge problem, and it's not going to get any better. 427 00:26:28,470 --> 00:26:33,030 inst this would be a way to sort of meet people where they are. 428 00:26:33,840 --> 00:26:37,680 And instead of, hey, let's reinvent podcasting on noster. 429 00:26:39,180 --> 00:26:40,920 Adam Curry: Why don't we extend it to Nasir 430 00:26:41,370 --> 00:26:45,480 Dave Jones: extend it to Nasir extend it to activity pub so 431 00:26:45,480 --> 00:26:50,070 that what you get is not playing a podcast in nostre, which let's 432 00:26:50,100 --> 00:26:54,360 all agree is going to be a horrible? Yes, it's gonna suck 433 00:26:54,420 --> 00:26:59,070 Adam Curry: is this. So with activity pub, let's just take 434 00:26:59,070 --> 00:27:00,930 these two protocols. I mean, there's a couple more I can 435 00:27:00,930 --> 00:27:07,950 think of. Can we make it to weigh now, sir? Well, it comes 436 00:27:07,950 --> 00:27:14,220 back to the the one thing when I if I send the booths, I'd like 437 00:27:14,220 --> 00:27:16,890 my profile picture to show up. So you can pull that in from 438 00:27:16,890 --> 00:27:26,760 activity pub, or web finger or whatever it is. Right. Possibly, 439 00:27:26,850 --> 00:27:28,800 Dave Jones: I mean, well, you know, because then we're getting 440 00:27:28,830 --> 00:27:33,060 them we're starting to see, I guess the reason I'm the hemming 441 00:27:33,060 --> 00:27:38,940 and hawing is my, my idea is really about, like, returning 442 00:27:38,940 --> 00:27:44,130 focus to to actual podcasting, and podcast apps. You know, our, 443 00:27:44,280 --> 00:27:49,830 our core mission is podcast apps, podcast, app developer 444 00:27:50,070 --> 00:27:54,930 support, right. We support podcast app developers, I had a 445 00:27:54,930 --> 00:27:59,850 guy. Email me, a guy that we know, email me over the weekend 446 00:27:59,850 --> 00:28:04,260 is saying look at the Apple API is just having outage after 447 00:28:04,260 --> 00:28:09,720 outage is killing me. Oh, really? What? Yeah. And his, his 448 00:28:09,720 --> 00:28:13,470 Platt, his service depends on it. And he's like, it's just, 449 00:28:13,500 --> 00:28:18,300 it's just wearing me out. And I was like, yeah, he's like, it's 450 00:28:18,300 --> 00:28:20,850 a real problem. I'm thinking about switching over to 451 00:28:23,010 --> 00:28:24,780 anything. He said, I'm thinking about switching over to the 452 00:28:24,780 --> 00:28:28,620 Index API, just because I'm having so many reliability 453 00:28:28,620 --> 00:28:31,320 issues. And this is a money making service for him. It's not 454 00:28:31,320 --> 00:28:33,900 a it's not I don't think it's his full time gig. But it is 455 00:28:33,930 --> 00:28:37,110 definitely a profitable side hustle. Right? And I was like, 456 00:28:37,110 --> 00:28:42,900 Well, you know, we have this thing. Now we have two endpoints 457 00:28:44,190 --> 00:28:48,120 where you can where they mimic the apple API, 458 00:28:48,180 --> 00:28:51,120 Adam Curry: right? And you can just drop it right in? Yeah, 459 00:28:51,120 --> 00:28:53,640 just change the DNS, basically. And you're good to go. 460 00:28:53,940 --> 00:28:56,610 Dave Jones: Yeah, you have one outage, you flew temporary, you 461 00:28:56,610 --> 00:29:00,840 detect one outage on an API call to Apple, switch those switch to 462 00:29:00,840 --> 00:29:03,690 us for let's say a few minutes, then test it and then try to 463 00:29:03,690 --> 00:29:07,560 flip that you do a failover and failback. Right. And he was 464 00:29:07,560 --> 00:29:08,730 like, OMG. 465 00:29:10,650 --> 00:29:11,970 Adam Curry: You got an OMG. Oh, 466 00:29:12,900 --> 00:29:17,520 Dave Jones: gee. And you and so he was like, this is exactly 467 00:29:17,520 --> 00:29:22,140 what I needed. And like that is that is where that's what we do. 468 00:29:22,740 --> 00:29:25,680 That's the kind of developer podcast app developer support we 469 00:29:25,680 --> 00:29:32,490 do. Because I'm thinking part of podcast app developer support 470 00:29:33,540 --> 00:29:37,680 is, is also running a little bit of interference and playing 471 00:29:37,680 --> 00:29:42,570 defense. So for when we see things coming along, that are 472 00:29:42,600 --> 00:29:48,540 distracting everybody away from podcast apps, to these other 473 00:29:48,630 --> 00:29:54,090 sort of wasteful side prod these wasteful distractions, like, 474 00:29:54,480 --> 00:29:57,330 like let's reinvent podcasting on noster hot How about let's 475 00:29:57,330 --> 00:29:58,140 not do that? 476 00:29:58,260 --> 00:30:01,710 Adam Curry: Yeah, how about weed so okay. So you're saying just 477 00:30:01,920 --> 00:30:06,900 make the API speak noster native app, then you can and in 478 00:30:06,900 --> 00:30:11,760 essence, then we have a whole universe of developers who can 479 00:30:11,910 --> 00:30:15,780 do podcast apps in Nastar. Is that what I'm hearing you say? 480 00:30:15,809 --> 00:30:19,049 Dave Jones: No, no, no, I understand that. You think that 481 00:30:19,079 --> 00:30:20,939 that you think that's what I'm saying. But what I'm saying is 482 00:30:20,939 --> 00:30:27,449 like, we we give back results in a way that always opens up the 483 00:30:27,449 --> 00:30:32,999 content in a real podcast app. Okay, good. And it removes the 484 00:30:32,999 --> 00:30:39,449 need. It removes the need to do anything back riding in Nostrum. 485 00:30:39,449 --> 00:30:43,259 Right? And they can open it like if they're hardcore Bitcoin 486 00:30:43,259 --> 00:30:46,559 bros, they can open it up in breeze or something, roaches 487 00:30:46,559 --> 00:30:49,169 fine, but we give, we give back links to real. 488 00:30:50,009 --> 00:30:52,829 Adam Curry: Okay, I see what you're saying. And then so the 489 00:30:52,859 --> 00:30:56,399 the mechanism is you'd determine, Okay, I have this as 490 00:30:56,399 --> 00:31:03,329 my podcast app. And now when I want to get something, an 491 00:31:03,329 --> 00:31:07,259 episode, a podcast or whatever the query is, it will then open 492 00:31:07,259 --> 00:31:11,069 in the podcast app I already use. Yeah, that's pretty deep. 493 00:31:11,069 --> 00:31:14,429 Actually. That's that's something that hasn't existed I 494 00:31:14,429 --> 00:31:17,639 don't think well as dependent 495 00:31:18,180 --> 00:31:22,200 Dave Jones: is once you once, if we start communicating on that 496 00:31:22,200 --> 00:31:26,190 platform in that way, and make it easy for people to do that by 497 00:31:26,310 --> 00:31:31,140 by these shareable links, or whatever it is. It it just gets 498 00:31:31,140 --> 00:31:35,940 rid of this desire to recreate everything on recreate 499 00:31:35,940 --> 00:31:38,310 podcasting on Nasr because there's now there's no need, 500 00:31:38,790 --> 00:31:42,270 everybody can use the content, they can use the RSS feeds, all 501 00:31:42,270 --> 00:31:45,330 these all these Bitcoin podcasters. They all, they all 502 00:31:45,330 --> 00:31:50,880 have RSS feeds. Yeah. As they should. So rather than try to, I 503 00:31:50,880 --> 00:31:53,580 think it would be a relief to a lot of people over there to be 504 00:31:53,580 --> 00:32:02,430 able to just have their existing content open in existing apps. 505 00:32:03,120 --> 00:32:05,940 But make it easy for the platform to do that, rather than 506 00:32:05,940 --> 00:32:08,730 having to do all this ridiculous development work. 507 00:32:09,810 --> 00:32:11,850 Adam Curry: I don't know if you if you if you remove that 508 00:32:11,850 --> 00:32:13,890 desire, but it would certainly help. 509 00:32:14,910 --> 00:32:19,020 Dave Jones: Yeah, I mean, I don't know. It's just it's, I'm, 510 00:32:19,440 --> 00:32:24,090 I'm afraid that they're going to try that they're going to try to 511 00:32:24,090 --> 00:32:27,330 go down this road because they're see what that post made 512 00:32:27,330 --> 00:32:30,240 me think, Oh, they're searching for a killer app, they're 513 00:32:30,240 --> 00:32:33,420 searching for the killer feature, and they're gonna come 514 00:32:33,420 --> 00:32:36,630 around to it is going to be podcasting. And then this is 515 00:32:36,630 --> 00:32:40,470 going to it's going to be five years of development work, and 516 00:32:40,470 --> 00:32:44,670 it's still going to suck and instill all the contents not 517 00:32:44,670 --> 00:32:47,880 going to be there. I just feel like this waste of time that's 518 00:32:47,880 --> 00:32:51,900 imminent. And I'm trying to prevent it. And at the same 519 00:32:51,900 --> 00:32:55,260 time, but at the same time, we need to activity pub to, like, 520 00:32:56,010 --> 00:32:59,880 if we start thinking about these protocols, which there's not a 521 00:32:59,880 --> 00:33:01,920 lot, there's not a lot of them. And we started thinking about 522 00:33:01,920 --> 00:33:05,280 these distributed decentralized protocols, we could we could 523 00:33:05,280 --> 00:33:11,130 just make the index play nice with those because the rest HTTP 524 00:33:12,060 --> 00:33:19,080 as an 80, as an API language is not. I mean, it's fine. But it's 525 00:33:19,080 --> 00:33:23,820 a hacky Cluj to a stick, this is all this, these are all clue, 526 00:33:23,820 --> 00:33:27,960 just so why not have you know, I just think we should go to where 527 00:33:27,960 --> 00:33:28,620 people are. 528 00:33:30,120 --> 00:33:32,610 Adam Curry: I think that's, I think it's fantastic. I think 529 00:33:32,610 --> 00:33:40,920 it's a great idea. Okay. I'm all in. Yeah, rip it. RIP and 530 00:33:41,010 --> 00:33:41,760 definitely. 531 00:33:43,320 --> 00:33:47,010 Dave Jones: Okay, I'll I will begin mapping that out what that 532 00:33:47,010 --> 00:33:50,610 will look like. And I mean, we've already got it, which by 533 00:33:50,610 --> 00:33:55,200 the by the way, that the chat, the MK Ultra chat has been 534 00:33:55,200 --> 00:34:01,710 laying languishing, yes. But it's like the same chat room has 535 00:34:01,710 --> 00:34:05,610 been running for like, I don't know, three months. I don't even 536 00:34:05,610 --> 00:34:07,950 know what's going on today. They could be all kinds of porn and 537 00:34:07,950 --> 00:34:09,540 escort services. I have no, 538 00:34:10,200 --> 00:34:12,360 Adam Curry: the one I had the link I had is not a live 539 00:34:12,360 --> 00:34:15,330 session. So I guess that doesn't work anymore. I don't know what 540 00:34:15,330 --> 00:34:17,490 the what the current MK Ultra chat is. 541 00:34:17,969 --> 00:34:20,099 Dave Jones: Oh, there's some Chinese in there. That's cool. 542 00:34:20,129 --> 00:34:23,729 Really? Yeah, I just I just clicked on the link. Yeah, 543 00:34:23,729 --> 00:34:25,169 somebody's posted some Chinese. 544 00:34:26,850 --> 00:34:30,030 Adam Curry: Of course. Why does that not surprise me? 545 00:34:30,540 --> 00:34:32,400 Dave Jones: Yeah, this is probably I probably need to get 546 00:34:32,400 --> 00:34:35,910 back to this. Anyway, that this. So we've already we've already 547 00:34:35,910 --> 00:34:38,010 what I'm saying like we've already got some of the code for 548 00:34:38,010 --> 00:34:42,720 that. That could adapt the nostril part of MK Ultra stuff 549 00:34:43,290 --> 00:34:48,270 to just start off by just creating a bot. And in have that 550 00:34:48,270 --> 00:34:51,150 be something that people can interact with. So you can 551 00:34:51,150 --> 00:34:54,540 Adam Curry: just query it and it'll hand it back. Yeah, nice. 552 00:34:54,870 --> 00:34:58,110 Yeah. That's a cool idea. Okay, thanks. 553 00:34:59,010 --> 00:35:01,560 Dave Jones: I'll start mapping it out. So before we start 554 00:35:01,560 --> 00:35:01,950 finished, as 555 00:35:02,460 --> 00:35:05,130 Adam Curry: I said, before you start mapping it out. Do we have 556 00:35:05,130 --> 00:35:08,460 all the remote item stuff on the table? Still? Oh, of course not. 557 00:35:09,360 --> 00:35:12,300 Because I'm a little more hot on that than anything, 558 00:35:12,780 --> 00:35:16,140 Dave Jones: I will start mapping that stuff out after I finished 559 00:35:16,140 --> 00:35:23,910 this, the remote. So where I'm at with road item is there's a 560 00:35:23,910 --> 00:35:32,460 new a new parameter that you can pass to the by to the podcast by 561 00:35:32,460 --> 00:35:41,760 tag in point index, to give you all of the RSS feeds that 562 00:35:41,790 --> 00:35:45,150 include a value time split. 563 00:35:45,840 --> 00:35:46,980 Adam Curry: Ooh, nice. 564 00:35:48,270 --> 00:35:50,610 Dave Jones: So this is a multi flow, this is sort of a multi 565 00:35:50,610 --> 00:35:57,630 phase approach here. Because number one, the number one need 566 00:35:57,630 --> 00:36:02,220 is for people to be able to find shows their number one need 567 00:36:02,220 --> 00:36:07,200 right now is for people to need to be able to find shows that 568 00:36:07,200 --> 00:36:12,420 reference other shows with a value time split. Because that's 569 00:36:12,420 --> 00:36:15,750 how people are going to find shows like booster gram ball 570 00:36:15,750 --> 00:36:21,390 lightning thrashes. It's a mood. The these, these are the, this 571 00:36:21,390 --> 00:36:24,240 is the type of discovery that people need immediately. We've 572 00:36:24,270 --> 00:36:27,150 we already you know, we so I can go over WaveLight needs it, 573 00:36:27,180 --> 00:36:30,180 Adam Curry: right. So I can I can see, I can find shows that 574 00:36:30,180 --> 00:36:33,690 have remote items that contain medium equals music. 575 00:36:37,350 --> 00:36:40,890 Dave Jones: That's, that's part two. Okay. All right. Yeah. So 576 00:36:40,950 --> 00:36:44,220 right now what it does is it just gives you a list of all the 577 00:36:44,220 --> 00:36:51,900 feeds that that have a value time split at all. And then, so 578 00:36:51,900 --> 00:36:59,610 then step two, will be being able to begin to filter that to 579 00:36:59,610 --> 00:37:04,710 say, Okay, I want value shows with value time splits, that 580 00:37:04,710 --> 00:37:12,930 also have this other quality about them. Like, so. Here's the 581 00:37:12,930 --> 00:37:23,610 issue. Here's an issue. The value time split can contain two 582 00:37:23,610 --> 00:37:31,860 different things. It can contain a direct value recipient tag 583 00:37:31,890 --> 00:37:37,530 with a key send address. Or it can contain a remote item, which 584 00:37:37,530 --> 00:37:42,990 references a different feed. Right. So right now, so in the 585 00:37:42,990 --> 00:37:48,870 in the database, right now I've got, I've got one table, which 586 00:37:48,870 --> 00:37:54,120 is value, time splits. And the value time splits are being 587 00:37:54,120 --> 00:37:58,710 pulled in with their timestamps and their durations, and that 588 00:37:58,710 --> 00:38:03,270 kind of thing. And then what I had was two other tables, I had 589 00:38:04,860 --> 00:38:10,230 a value, recipients table and a vote and a remote item table. 590 00:38:11,820 --> 00:38:15,780 And now, I'm now rethinking that because what I was going to do 591 00:38:15,810 --> 00:38:20,010 this just thinking as a database for a minute. You know, I'm 592 00:38:20,010 --> 00:38:24,060 thinking okay, what we have is three unique objects unique sort 593 00:38:24,060 --> 00:38:29,070 of structures here are three unique objects. You have value, 594 00:38:29,070 --> 00:38:35,430 time splits, value recipients, and remote items. What you kind 595 00:38:35,430 --> 00:38:41,010 of want to do your two tendency your as a database person is to 596 00:38:41,010 --> 00:38:43,830 have three different strokes, you know, is to have three 597 00:38:43,830 --> 00:38:47,670 different repositories for those different item types so that you 598 00:38:47,670 --> 00:38:53,100 can schema them and then have relation links between those 599 00:38:53,100 --> 00:38:58,050 tables. So that I can have Okay, value time split, this value 600 00:38:58,050 --> 00:39:03,360 time split references, this remote item. But this other 601 00:39:03,360 --> 00:39:07,230 value time split references, this value recipient. 602 00:39:07,950 --> 00:39:10,650 Adam Curry: Ooh, okay, I see. This is gonna be great for the 603 00:39:10,650 --> 00:39:12,060 PWA I'm developing. 604 00:39:12,540 --> 00:39:16,170 Dave Jones: Yeah. Just while I'm telling you this. Do you want 605 00:39:16,170 --> 00:39:17,160 this information? Yes. 606 00:39:17,700 --> 00:39:21,630 Adam Curry: grommet listen up. I'm stealing grommets gonna pop 607 00:39:21,630 --> 00:39:24,810 out with a progressive web app. It's gonna be like what? 608 00:39:25,109 --> 00:39:27,239 Dave Jones: Yeah, to nowhere. Yeah, it's gonna blow it. Yeah. 609 00:39:30,059 --> 00:39:35,279 But, but um, you know, because it's elegant on paper, doesn't 610 00:39:35,279 --> 00:39:35,819 mean doesn't mean. 611 00:39:36,840 --> 00:39:40,800 Adam Curry: Okay. Yeah. Well, database is voodoo. 612 00:39:42,720 --> 00:39:47,070 Dave Jones: It's a quote, to quote Captain Picard. From next 613 00:39:47,070 --> 00:39:54,330 generation. You can make all the right decisions and still lose. 614 00:39:55,770 --> 00:40:02,580 So what what's your you know? The issue here is it, it becomes 615 00:40:02,580 --> 00:40:08,130 very difficult to track these things on subsequent runs, to 616 00:40:08,130 --> 00:40:10,890 see if they're the actually the same thing as what you had 617 00:40:10,890 --> 00:40:15,420 before. So if somebody, if somebody had a remote if there 618 00:40:15,420 --> 00:40:23,820 was a value time split, and it contained a reference to a value 619 00:40:23,820 --> 00:40:27,810 recipient, and now on the next run of the aggregator it 620 00:40:27,810 --> 00:40:31,860 contains, it's been changed by the, by the podcaster, to now 621 00:40:32,130 --> 00:40:40,350 contain a remote item reference. And they also put in they also, 622 00:40:40,350 --> 00:40:43,560 let's say, they changed a duration, slightly, maybe it's 623 00:40:43,560 --> 00:40:49,140 one second, it was just it was unintentional. How do I know, 624 00:40:49,500 --> 00:40:53,700 it's not really possible to know that that's the same thing. This 625 00:40:53,700 --> 00:40:57,360 is all this is very, this becomes very messy, because 626 00:40:57,360 --> 00:41:00,600 there's no, there's no unique identifiers to any of this stuff 627 00:41:00,600 --> 00:41:07,290 in the feed. It's just the nature of RSS, right? So it's, I 628 00:41:07,290 --> 00:41:09,990 think, the better option and the reason this, I'm saying all 629 00:41:09,990 --> 00:41:13,530 this, because this is why it's taking me a while I think the 630 00:41:13,530 --> 00:41:17,880 better option is to ditch that strategy. And just put it all in 631 00:41:17,880 --> 00:41:22,620 a single table. They put it all extend this the value time 632 00:41:22,620 --> 00:41:24,570 splits, table schema, 633 00:41:25,560 --> 00:41:28,740 Adam Curry: doing whole include the the payment value 634 00:41:28,740 --> 00:41:29,520 information, 635 00:41:30,060 --> 00:41:33,480 Dave Jones: allow it to hold all possible data that could 636 00:41:33,480 --> 00:41:38,880 possibly be in the children tags, everything. So that it's 637 00:41:38,880 --> 00:41:41,790 gonna it's ugly looking, it's not as elegant as the other 638 00:41:41,790 --> 00:41:46,050 approach. But it also gives you because, you know, the thinking 639 00:41:46,050 --> 00:41:49,260 with the other approach is that if two different podcasts 640 00:41:49,260 --> 00:41:52,140 referenced a remote item that was identical, you don't have to 641 00:41:52,140 --> 00:41:54,750 duplicate you have, you just have two pointers to the same 642 00:41:54,750 --> 00:41:58,110 data, right? But this is just a this is this is this is 643 00:41:58,110 --> 00:42:05,130 silliness. So, I think I'm gonna go in and I'm gonna change this, 644 00:42:05,160 --> 00:42:08,400 this schema, and I'm just going to reset this back to I'm going 645 00:42:08,400 --> 00:42:13,860 to do it the ugly way. So that we get something that works 646 00:42:13,980 --> 00:42:16,980 Adam Curry: better. Something that actually functions Yes. 647 00:42:17,490 --> 00:42:20,520 Dave Jones: is ugly and works better than beautiful and 648 00:42:20,670 --> 00:42:21,360 broken. Yeah. 649 00:42:21,750 --> 00:42:24,030 Adam Curry: Basically like reading the feed in real time. 650 00:42:24,030 --> 00:42:26,460 Okay, here it is. I gotcha. Because of course, we have lots 651 00:42:26,460 --> 00:42:29,790 of remote items or lots of feeds pointing to the same remote 652 00:42:29,790 --> 00:42:34,080 item. A lot of Ainsley Costello example. 653 00:42:34,470 --> 00:42:36,660 Dave Jones: Yeah. And the developer computer person in us 654 00:42:36,660 --> 00:42:39,360 like, Man, I don't want to duplicate I don't understand. 655 00:42:39,930 --> 00:42:41,910 Really, we can we can do this, right, it 656 00:42:41,910 --> 00:42:44,220 Adam Curry: was the way you're the way you're doing it is 657 00:42:44,340 --> 00:42:50,880 that's the Adam curry way. One big table in an Access database. 658 00:42:50,910 --> 00:42:53,700 Dave Jones: Yeah, that's me. And so anyway, that that, so that's 659 00:42:53,700 --> 00:42:57,300 what's next. And once once we do that, it'll be pretty, pretty 660 00:42:57,300 --> 00:42:59,970 simple. It'll go pretty quick. next couple of days, I should 661 00:42:59,970 --> 00:43:06,270 have that finished. Cool. And then then you can start to then 662 00:43:06,270 --> 00:43:09,600 we can start to actually filter you know, do some filtration on 663 00:43:09,600 --> 00:43:12,060 the stuff and say, Okay, here's because right now it's just 664 00:43:12,060 --> 00:43:14,250 giving you the feeds back what it needs to give you back is the 665 00:43:14,250 --> 00:43:19,410 values the feed and the value time split data, right. So that 666 00:43:19,410 --> 00:43:23,070 you can then say, okay, there's a there's a piece of music 667 00:43:23,610 --> 00:43:25,620 that's being referenced what should that you know, what is 668 00:43:25,620 --> 00:43:30,000 that and blah blah blah. Anyway, so that's where we're at with it 669 00:43:30,030 --> 00:43:34,020 it's we have something there so that people if they want to 670 00:43:34,020 --> 00:43:37,230 dependent into start to find shows that reference other shows 671 00:43:37,740 --> 00:43:41,730 like wave like that go Go for it. I mean, that's that's ready. 672 00:43:43,140 --> 00:43:49,740 Adam Curry: quick plug for ln beats, the radio tab now has 13 673 00:43:49,950 --> 00:43:57,000 shows. So if homegrown hits it's a mood, mutton meeting and music 674 00:43:59,280 --> 00:44:03,240 that's OYSTEIN OYSTEIN burgers very funny. Bookstagram ball 675 00:44:03,240 --> 00:44:09,660 Blackhat music was it Blackhat music podcast phantom power 676 00:44:10,320 --> 00:44:13,320 before the scheme's lightning thrashed power. 677 00:44:13,320 --> 00:44:14,790 Dave Jones: That's a great name for a show 678 00:44:14,850 --> 00:44:18,000 Adam Curry: that will phantom you know, that's phantom power 679 00:44:18,000 --> 00:44:25,890 music. Our that's the that's the Costello's. That's Julie and 680 00:44:25,890 --> 00:44:26,310 Jim. 681 00:44:27,060 --> 00:44:28,530 Dave Jones: That's a great That's a great name for right 682 00:44:28,530 --> 00:44:29,820 now. Dig it? Yeah, 683 00:44:29,970 --> 00:44:32,580 Adam Curry: I had a long chat with them. Surprise. 684 00:44:34,440 --> 00:44:36,210 Dave Jones: Anything you can talk about? Yeah, of 685 00:44:36,210 --> 00:44:39,840 Adam Curry: course, of course. Okay. So, you know, I've had 686 00:44:39,840 --> 00:44:43,440 several calls. I think a lot of people have had calls with Julie 687 00:44:44,310 --> 00:44:48,300 then after ever had a call with Julian. So one Do you have a Do 688 00:44:48,300 --> 00:44:55,860 you have an afternoon I'm just busting on your duly noted 689 00:44:55,860 --> 00:44:59,460 because, you know, I realized that there was this huge 690 00:44:59,460 --> 00:45:03,060 disconnect. Next, huge disconnect because they, they 691 00:45:03,060 --> 00:45:08,070 basically started at wavelength with no data. You know, they're 692 00:45:08,070 --> 00:45:11,730 only just now starting to understand the to V records 693 00:45:11,730 --> 00:45:13,980 because they've never seen a booster gram from coming through 694 00:45:13,980 --> 00:45:18,300 wave Lake and all that will come, I'm sure. So there's all 695 00:45:18,330 --> 00:45:20,640 and there's all these presumptions like, oh, well, you 696 00:45:20,640 --> 00:45:24,210 know, don't you see this? Don't? Don't you get it? No, no, no, I 697 00:45:24,210 --> 00:45:26,670 haven't seen this don't understand. And then there's 698 00:45:26,670 --> 00:45:30,810 just, you know, enthusiasm from so many different sides. Lots, 699 00:45:30,840 --> 00:45:34,230 lots of enthusiasm. And that's really what it is. But the 700 00:45:34,230 --> 00:45:38,970 enthusiasm gets wrapped up in voltage saying, yeah, here's how 701 00:45:38,970 --> 00:45:41,610 you can do this. And that, like what and then you need liquidity 702 00:45:41,610 --> 00:45:44,340 and like what you know, and all, all of a sudden, Everyone's just 703 00:45:44,340 --> 00:45:47,520 really confused. Yeah, they go down the lightning spiral. Yeah, 704 00:45:47,610 --> 00:45:50,160 a little bit of the lightning spiral. You know, the long 705 00:45:50,160 --> 00:45:53,370 conversation by the way. Sam Sethi. Yes. It's working. I see 706 00:45:53,370 --> 00:45:53,610 you. 707 00:45:53,640 --> 00:45:56,130 Dave Jones: I see you, bro. Yes, yeah, 708 00:45:56,460 --> 00:45:59,010 Adam Curry: it's working. It's really working. I see the 10,000 709 00:45:59,010 --> 00:46:02,760 SATs. I see that your TLV record is beautiful. 710 00:46:02,790 --> 00:46:05,670 Dave Jones: Let me see. Zan pour glass of wine brother. 711 00:46:05,700 --> 00:46:08,460 Adam Curry: Yeah, I'm gonna stop. I see your tests. It's all 712 00:46:08,460 --> 00:46:14,220 working. Yes, that we Yes, definitely. You know, Sam is 713 00:46:14,220 --> 00:46:18,720 trying to help them. And Sam, the pot fans is something 714 00:46:19,050 --> 00:46:23,730 different altogether, which, luckily, Sam wants to give us 715 00:46:23,730 --> 00:46:28,980 another demo. Yes, he's also always we walk away from Sam's 716 00:46:28,980 --> 00:46:32,400 demos like, what did I just see? Like, there's a lot going on 717 00:46:32,400 --> 00:46:33,720 there. You know, because there's 718 00:46:33,720 --> 00:46:35,160 Dave Jones: 8000 tags. Yes, 719 00:46:35,220 --> 00:46:36,660 Adam Curry: he's, you know, he's creating as 720 00:46:36,660 --> 00:46:38,760 Dave Jones: we add tags we just mentioned in the show was 721 00:46:39,540 --> 00:46:43,950 Adam Curry: never there. Because there's all this stuff that but 722 00:46:43,950 --> 00:46:47,520 he's building a real platform for interaction. And it makes a 723 00:46:47,520 --> 00:46:51,930 lot of sense for, for artists. And so he's got all kinds of all 724 00:46:51,930 --> 00:46:58,500 kinds of things integrated. But the basics, the the real basics 725 00:46:58,530 --> 00:47:06,000 of how do we take existing artists who are in the existing 726 00:47:06,000 --> 00:47:10,800 system, which is not the system that I grew up with this, so 727 00:47:10,800 --> 00:47:13,560 they really gave me an education. And it was only it 728 00:47:13,560 --> 00:47:18,870 was only two hours, it wasn't too bad. So they gave me and Jim 729 00:47:18,870 --> 00:47:22,140 send over this huge he sent over spreadsheets. And he says you 730 00:47:22,140 --> 00:47:26,400 got to understand that sweet when it comes to with real world 731 00:47:26,400 --> 00:47:30,090 examples. You know, when it comes to this, you have the the 732 00:47:30,360 --> 00:47:33,870 the writing of the song, the composition of the song, which 733 00:47:33,900 --> 00:47:38,040 you know, lyrics itself can be 10 different people. And that's 734 00:47:38,040 --> 00:47:41,370 not uncommon in today's music business, hey, I was in the 735 00:47:41,370 --> 00:47:44,910 room, okay, you get a percentage. I think the joke in 736 00:47:44,910 --> 00:47:49,080 Nashville is you write one, one word, you get a third of the 737 00:47:49,080 --> 00:47:53,310 song, something like that. It's that kind of stuff. But then 738 00:47:53,310 --> 00:47:58,920 there's the publishing side, which is an ownership of, of the 739 00:47:58,920 --> 00:48:03,480 song, and then you have the master. And with the Master, 740 00:48:03,690 --> 00:48:06,990 there's tip. So that's really someone who owns the product. 741 00:48:07,230 --> 00:48:11,430 And there's this recoupment that you need to have in place. So I 742 00:48:11,430 --> 00:48:17,610 paid for the studio time. So I need to receive my $1,000 Off 743 00:48:17,610 --> 00:48:22,770 the top before anybody else gets something. Except for the for 744 00:48:22,770 --> 00:48:26,010 the writer and the composer, writers and composers. 745 00:48:26,520 --> 00:48:29,970 Dave Jones: Okay, so you're so you're saying that, the it's not 746 00:48:29,970 --> 00:48:32,580 just about who gets what percentages? It's about also 747 00:48:32,580 --> 00:48:34,800 about the order in which they get them? Yes, 748 00:48:34,830 --> 00:48:39,570 Adam Curry: yes. And so they didn't have some basic knowledge 749 00:48:39,570 --> 00:48:44,220 of like, well, so not knowing that you that in a TLV record in 750 00:48:44,220 --> 00:48:48,090 a payment, you can see what you receive, but also what the total 751 00:48:48,090 --> 00:48:51,930 amount was. This is a big deal. They didn't, they didn't know 752 00:48:51,930 --> 00:48:55,530 that. And that's really, really cool. Because you don't have to 753 00:48:55,560 --> 00:48:58,350 come up with complicated, you know, smart cars that were 754 00:48:58,350 --> 00:49:01,560 talking and smart contracts and eath I'm like, okay, stop, you. 755 00:49:01,590 --> 00:49:06,510 Stop, stop, stop. Because you can, you know, Yarrow, yes, the 756 00:49:06,510 --> 00:49:11,520 recoupment. I said the easiest way to do it is if it's $1,000 757 00:49:11,520 --> 00:49:15,060 Off the top or whatever it is, give everybody a 1% split 758 00:49:15,060 --> 00:49:18,630 anyway, recalculate that later because then everyone can see 759 00:49:18,780 --> 00:49:22,620 oh, okay, this is what's coming in. Oh, we're almost at $1,000 760 00:49:22,650 --> 00:49:26,280 So soon my split should change I mean, it's literally that kind 761 00:49:26,280 --> 00:49:31,320 of stuff. But for me just understanding how opaque no not 762 00:49:31,320 --> 00:49:35,520 even opaque how black box Spotify and then they have this 763 00:49:36,030 --> 00:49:42,120 master licensing collective which Spotify also board like no 764 00:49:42,120 --> 00:49:45,840 the distributors, which is distro kid and there's a whole 765 00:49:45,840 --> 00:49:49,680 bunch of other ones and they take 15% But then they a piece 766 00:49:49,680 --> 00:49:53,610 goes into this collective and nobody knows exactly how that 767 00:49:53,610 --> 00:49:58,980 works. The reporting is is very poor. And even on Spotify, they 768 00:49:58,980 --> 00:50:04,560 have a waiting list. system as in W E IG HT. Um, so a stream 769 00:50:04,560 --> 00:50:11,190 for Ainsley Costello gets less money per stream than a stream 770 00:50:11,190 --> 00:50:14,160 for Taylor Swift because Oh, you get it, don't you? It's Taylor 771 00:50:14,160 --> 00:50:17,940 Swift. I mean, that's literally how it's explained. 772 00:50:18,750 --> 00:50:22,470 Dave Jones: Oh, there's no like, it's, you have no idea why you 773 00:50:22,470 --> 00:50:25,380 have no idea why it's not contractual. It's like 774 00:50:25,410 --> 00:50:27,420 Adam Curry: this. Yeah, it's just whatever goes on inside 775 00:50:27,420 --> 00:50:33,630 their box. So the so, so we, we went through painstakingly, you 776 00:50:33,630 --> 00:50:35,940 know, okay, here's, because what they want to do is they want to 777 00:50:35,940 --> 00:50:39,420 help artists, and they want them to have a good experience. And 778 00:50:39,420 --> 00:50:42,870 they they want the best systems possible. And they want to, you 779 00:50:42,870 --> 00:50:45,540 know, I don't know if they want to be, I don't think they want 780 00:50:45,540 --> 00:50:48,630 to be they want to be a services. Yeah, help people help 781 00:50:48,630 --> 00:50:52,890 people, for us for a split in the in the block, I guess. And 782 00:50:52,890 --> 00:50:57,060 so, you know, from a traditional music perspective, and Ainsley 783 00:50:57,060 --> 00:51:00,390 Costello has another album that they that they want to put out, 784 00:51:00,480 --> 00:51:03,240 they have to go back and talk to everybody. Okay, here's how we'd 785 00:51:03,240 --> 00:51:06,570 like to do it. Because it's not going now, the good news is, no 786 00:51:06,570 --> 00:51:09,630 matter what they propose, everybody's going to be happy, 787 00:51:09,630 --> 00:51:12,060 because they're going to get more money than they get 788 00:51:12,060 --> 00:51:15,180 currently from any system. So that's the good news. 789 00:51:15,360 --> 00:51:18,330 Dave Jones: So that is more than ever more than zero is always 790 00:51:18,330 --> 00:51:19,110 more. Exactly, 791 00:51:19,350 --> 00:51:23,550 Adam Curry: exactly. And then, you know, moving forward, some 792 00:51:23,550 --> 00:51:27,450 things probably have to change a little bit, you know, just to 793 00:51:27,450 --> 00:51:32,280 morph into a slicker system, but I'm very bullish on on their 794 00:51:32,280 --> 00:51:35,370 knowledge now of, of where they're at, and what they can do 795 00:51:35,400 --> 00:51:39,060 and bringing people in. And I think we have all the all the 796 00:51:39,060 --> 00:51:42,690 pieces in place, and what I what I stress to them, and I said, 797 00:51:42,690 --> 00:51:46,650 Look, I don't know how anything else is going to work. I don't 798 00:51:46,650 --> 00:51:49,680 know about putting music on your website, I don't know about 799 00:51:49,680 --> 00:51:53,670 mash, I don't know about zaps. I don't know how any of that 800 00:51:53,670 --> 00:51:57,660 works, the only thing I can, I can tell you that I know works 801 00:51:57,990 --> 00:52:02,190 is people playing music in a podcast that's value for value 802 00:52:02,190 --> 00:52:06,270 enabled. That's it. And that's the system I'm very comfortable 803 00:52:06,270 --> 00:52:09,390 with, because that's where I come from, except in this case, 804 00:52:09,390 --> 00:52:13,170 instead of the radio station, paying a blanket license to 805 00:52:13,170 --> 00:52:17,040 ASCAP and BMI to be able to play whatever song they want. And 806 00:52:17,040 --> 00:52:21,630 then ASCAP and BMI, figuring out how many times a song was 807 00:52:21,630 --> 00:52:26,760 played, or whatever, you know, and everywhere a song has been 808 00:52:26,760 --> 00:52:30,390 played, including it in bars and restaurants and all this, which, 809 00:52:30,420 --> 00:52:33,840 you know, they don't really have all the mechanisms. And then 810 00:52:33,840 --> 00:52:37,080 they they make a calculation internally and say, Okay, here's 811 00:52:37,080 --> 00:52:39,990 your cut. And guess what, you know, most of it goes to the 812 00:52:39,990 --> 00:52:42,810 established artists once again, because that while they probably 813 00:52:42,810 --> 00:52:47,070 got played more than you do, now, but in our case, we bypass 814 00:52:47,100 --> 00:52:49,350 all of that, and it goes directly from the person who's 815 00:52:49,350 --> 00:52:52,380 listening to the quote unquote, radio show. And that's 816 00:52:52,380 --> 00:52:55,590 revolutionary. It's, it's very exciting to them. 817 00:52:56,790 --> 00:52:59,880 Dave Jones: Well, this brings up a good, okay, this brings up a 818 00:52:59,880 --> 00:53:04,500 good technical point. Michael, from wavelike, emailed me and 819 00:53:04,500 --> 00:53:09,360 said, and said, Hey, I'm doing, you know, I'm working through 820 00:53:09,360 --> 00:53:14,100 how to calculate splits. And we know, you know, and he's like, 821 00:53:14,100 --> 00:53:17,820 you know, we, it could get messy. And we know, we know 822 00:53:17,820 --> 00:53:21,240 this. I mean, we've had to explain, split in the fee 823 00:53:21,240 --> 00:53:24,330 calculation, hell, so we've had to explain that before. And it 824 00:53:24,330 --> 00:53:28,770 makes everybody want to, you know, go jump out a window. But 825 00:53:30,060 --> 00:53:34,200 in the US, I'm not going to do it again. Good. But he did have 826 00:53:34,200 --> 00:53:39,090 a good idea. He said, So what he said, What if podcast index had 827 00:53:39,120 --> 00:53:44,160 a, some sort of search, either an API endpoint or Sonos, which 828 00:53:44,190 --> 00:53:47,400 probably doesn't make sense for that, but has some sort of 829 00:53:47,400 --> 00:53:53,790 service where I can send you a split block. And it will give, I 830 00:53:53,790 --> 00:53:58,290 can send you a split block and as a set amount for a boost in 831 00:53:58,290 --> 00:54:00,060 it, why it will do the calculation. 832 00:54:01,500 --> 00:54:03,810 Adam Curry: to hand it back to to you, oh, 833 00:54:03,840 --> 00:54:07,290 Dave Jones: with an explanation of what is of what it did and 834 00:54:07,290 --> 00:54:13,740 why. So that developers can can sort of test their code against 835 00:54:13,740 --> 00:54:16,650 the the reference implementation. 836 00:54:17,700 --> 00:54:19,320 Adam Curry: Yes, good idea. 837 00:54:19,710 --> 00:54:20,820 Dave Jones: I think it's a great idea. 838 00:54:20,850 --> 00:54:23,070 Adam Curry: Yeah. But not necessarily something that pops 839 00:54:23,070 --> 00:54:28,470 up. So you don't want apps to rely on it, per se, but just as 840 00:54:28,470 --> 00:54:33,510 a or or do you? I don't know, do you want to be I 841 00:54:33,960 --> 00:54:36,450 Dave Jones: don't want to you don't want them to send it in 842 00:54:36,450 --> 00:54:40,560 real time. Every time they do a split to try to, you know, it's 843 00:54:40,560 --> 00:54:43,530 not a service that they would need to rely on to make their 844 00:54:43,530 --> 00:54:47,550 split calculations. It would be a service that they would use to 845 00:54:47,550 --> 00:54:51,930 validate their data. Yeah, it is. Yes. Splitting correctly. 846 00:54:51,960 --> 00:54:55,230 Adam Curry: Great idea. Yeah. Split split split validator. 847 00:54:55,620 --> 00:54:57,750 Dave Jones: Yeah, great. Like Nathan here. Nathan said grade 848 00:54:57,750 --> 00:55:01,710 your homework. Yes. Yeah, perfect. A scratch paper yes. 849 00:55:02,010 --> 00:55:05,370 Great idea. Great idea. Because one, it and it will also help 850 00:55:05,610 --> 00:55:10,800 help things be more transparent too. So I can think that I'm 851 00:55:10,800 --> 00:55:14,250 thinking of it this was thinking through this morning, I'm like, 852 00:55:14,250 --> 00:55:19,050 okay, it could take a few different little, few different 853 00:55:19,050 --> 00:55:21,690 sets of inputs, like you could give it a feed and say, Okay, 854 00:55:21,690 --> 00:55:27,570 here's a feed. And if I sent if I sent 10,000 SATs to Episode 12 855 00:55:27,570 --> 00:55:33,330 of this podcast, right, what would I what should happen? And 856 00:55:33,330 --> 00:55:35,760 then we would say, Okay, well, here, we would read the feed, do 857 00:55:35,760 --> 00:55:39,960 the CALC and split up, spit it back, then. But if you say, 858 00:55:39,960 --> 00:55:42,540 Okay, well, I've already worked. But here's some XML. Here's my 859 00:55:42,540 --> 00:55:45,780 XML of just a value block. Is that okay, well, we'll take 860 00:55:45,780 --> 00:55:48,660 that. Here's some JSON of like, we could just take all the 861 00:55:48,660 --> 00:55:52,140 different ways that people want to feed it. Yeah. And just hand 862 00:55:52,140 --> 00:55:52,590 it back. 863 00:55:52,620 --> 00:55:55,260 Adam Curry: That's a great idea, because it's very inconsistent 864 00:55:55,260 --> 00:55:56,490 amongst all the apps. 865 00:55:57,479 --> 00:55:59,759 Dave Jones: Yeah, yeah, I agree. And people 866 00:55:59,760 --> 00:56:01,860 Adam Curry: ask me, and people ask me, I'm like, I don't know. 867 00:56:03,780 --> 00:56:07,170 I don't know. I never understood it. I'm like, I get the concept. 868 00:56:07,170 --> 00:56:09,210 I can't do it. It's like, I don't know. That's fine. 869 00:56:09,330 --> 00:56:10,800 Dave Jones: I don't know. Yeah, go back to 870 00:56:12,030 --> 00:56:15,210 Adam Curry: come in. I don't know. Yeah, that would be good. 871 00:56:15,330 --> 00:56:17,400 That'd be good. Because it is documented. It's clearly 872 00:56:17,400 --> 00:56:21,090 documented. But still, it's hard. It's just 873 00:56:21,510 --> 00:56:23,820 Dave Jones: one of those. But he said, he read. He said, I read 874 00:56:23,820 --> 00:56:28,350 the documentation. And it's mostly clear, but um, I can see 875 00:56:28,350 --> 00:56:30,990 some edge cases in my mind already. And I just want to know 876 00:56:30,990 --> 00:56:32,010 how to handle it. 877 00:56:32,280 --> 00:56:34,170 Adam Curry: What's an edge case in his mind? 878 00:56:34,860 --> 00:56:36,570 Dave Jones: I don't know. He didn't mention it. Okay. 879 00:56:37,020 --> 00:56:39,480 Probably, you know, I would think probably things like that 880 00:56:39,480 --> 00:56:43,410 we've run into before, like small amounts. You know, when 881 00:56:43,410 --> 00:56:44,550 people are like streaming. 882 00:56:44,610 --> 00:56:48,690 Adam Curry: Oh, right. Right. Right. Right. I think most 883 00:56:48,690 --> 00:56:52,050 people you should issue like a poison pill on their app blows 884 00:56:52,050 --> 00:56:56,610 up. five sets of minutes. Give me a break. What are you? 885 00:56:59,220 --> 00:57:03,390 Dave Jones: That's where we need the sucker. The sucker to suck 886 00:57:03,390 --> 00:57:07,110 all their sets out like it's a penalty. They do in the penalty 887 00:57:07,110 --> 00:57:07,320 box. 888 00:57:07,350 --> 00:57:10,200 Adam Curry: I do have a request, though. For for the apps. If you 889 00:57:10,200 --> 00:57:15,000 if you have lit implemented. Oh, please. Oh, please. Oh, please. 890 00:57:15,000 --> 00:57:18,180 Oh, please. I know. It's I know, it's not documented yet. And I 891 00:57:18,180 --> 00:57:22,380 know that. It's just kind of it's Steven B's split kit web 892 00:57:22,380 --> 00:57:27,210 thing. But I feel so bad when people are boosting these huge 893 00:57:27,210 --> 00:57:30,990 amounts for a song. But the only two apps that I'm aware of that 894 00:57:30,990 --> 00:57:35,040 do value time split in lit mode is curio caster and the split 895 00:57:35,040 --> 00:57:39,660 kit. So people are sending me SATs and I and they intend them 896 00:57:39,660 --> 00:57:40,980 to go to the artist. 897 00:57:44,610 --> 00:57:47,340 Dave Jones: You know what I mean? Yeah, yeah. Well, that's 898 00:57:47,340 --> 00:57:49,410 Adam Curry: because I think that's because of the WebSocket 899 00:57:49,410 --> 00:57:55,740 stuff. Because the when doing a live show, I mean, the the 900 00:57:55,740 --> 00:58:00,750 amount of SATs is just it supersedes everything. is just 901 00:58:00,750 --> 00:58:05,070 the fact that you know, do a lit show your SATs. Just you stack 902 00:58:05,070 --> 00:58:11,130 and sets man. Yeah. So I don't I mean, I know it's not official. 903 00:58:11,940 --> 00:58:14,010 And I just sometimes I just forget, and let's see, oh, 904 00:58:14,010 --> 00:58:16,350 people sending me stuff to fountain this not going to the 905 00:58:16,350 --> 00:58:16,920 artist. 906 00:58:19,410 --> 00:58:24,870 Dave Jones: I'm thinking yeah, I think through this, if we need 907 00:58:24,870 --> 00:58:26,640 we need a I need a 908 00:58:26,640 --> 00:58:29,400 Adam Curry: solution for this podcast. Guru apparently is 909 00:58:29,400 --> 00:58:31,620 working on it. Okay. Cool. 910 00:58:31,710 --> 00:58:36,030 Dave Jones: Well, maybe Steven and Jason can can figure out a, 911 00:58:36,750 --> 00:58:38,610 maybe they can document a spec. 912 00:58:39,060 --> 00:58:39,960 Adam Curry: Oh, that would be great. 913 00:58:41,730 --> 00:58:45,240 Dave Jones: Then we can just, you know, all that and adopt the 914 00:58:45,240 --> 00:58:49,590 spec. And then everybody can use it. I think that's what's going 915 00:58:49,590 --> 00:58:51,390 to have to happen. You're just going to have to have a way it's 916 00:58:51,420 --> 00:58:54,750 just going to have to be a separate socket. Yeah. I don't, 917 00:58:54,750 --> 00:58:56,280 I can't think of any other way to do it. 918 00:58:56,670 --> 00:59:02,490 Adam Curry: And then plug for for the split kit is finally now 919 00:59:02,520 --> 00:59:09,930 now it all comes together. You can now record your podcast. And 920 00:59:09,930 --> 00:59:12,960 I think Steven b is even he was I saw him experimenting with a 921 00:59:12,960 --> 00:59:15,780 hook for Mr. List, which is the playout system. I use it he 922 00:59:15,780 --> 00:59:18,960 hasn't given me anything yet. But I know he's working on it. 923 00:59:19,290 --> 00:59:23,730 So now if you're a radio disc jockey and you want to do a 924 00:59:23,970 --> 00:59:28,350 value for value music show, you have the split kit, and you hook 925 00:59:28,350 --> 00:59:32,700 it up to get Alby. So this is that's all real, it's relatively 926 00:59:32,700 --> 00:59:39,150 simple. You can build your playlist of songs, and you can 927 00:59:39,150 --> 00:59:44,970 then start your show and apparently, in a not too distant 928 00:59:44,970 --> 00:59:47,910 future when I hit the actual song, and I hit Play It will 929 00:59:47,910 --> 00:59:51,480 then activate that value block for the for the for the remote 930 00:59:51,510 --> 00:59:54,450 item for the song, you can search for all the songs in the 931 00:59:54,450 --> 00:59:59,520 split kit. And then when you're done, you can you can export it 932 00:59:59,520 --> 01:00:04,740 as an You got your RSS feed, you can, you know, a typical, you 933 01:00:04,740 --> 01:00:07,980 can look up an existing RSS feed, and then it'll, it'll 934 01:00:07,980 --> 01:00:11,850 autofill everything for you. And then it'll poop out an RSS feed 935 01:00:13,710 --> 01:00:16,170 out of the back end, which has the value times plus everything 936 01:00:16,170 --> 01:00:18,870 all in it good to go. All you need basically, is to replace 937 01:00:18,870 --> 01:00:21,900 that on your server, have a server, put your mp3 file, 938 01:00:21,900 --> 01:00:24,930 that's your that's your RSS feed. And its value for value 939 01:00:24,930 --> 01:00:28,710 time split enabled everything all in it. I think I think it 940 01:00:29,280 --> 01:00:32,100 might even add it to the index automatically. It's amazing. 941 01:00:32,760 --> 01:00:37,050 Wow. So for for them. So for DJs who just want to do that. And I 942 01:00:37,050 --> 01:00:40,410 know that Dobby Das is working on something similar at RSS 943 01:00:40,410 --> 01:00:44,010 blue.com. But he I haven't seen anything. But all of a sudden, 944 01:00:44,010 --> 01:00:47,700 it's like yeah, this is the tool I need. So I go in here, I can 945 01:00:47,700 --> 01:00:50,520 look for all the songs. Or I hear something I write it down. 946 01:00:50,520 --> 01:00:53,370 Okay, I want this song boom added to the playlist. Oh, and 947 01:00:53,370 --> 01:00:55,890 then you add it to the playlist you can also download all those 948 01:00:55,890 --> 01:00:59,580 songs in one go. And that right there all the mp3 is named 949 01:00:59,580 --> 01:01:03,210 properly, all the tags are in it. I mean, God Almighty, just 950 01:01:03,210 --> 01:01:06,900 shorten up my prep time by an hour. You're sure what I always 951 01:01:06,900 --> 01:01:07,380 love. 952 01:01:07,980 --> 01:01:10,410 Dave Jones: I just I just hit the endpoint for that to see how 953 01:01:10,410 --> 01:01:16,830 many shows had value time split references in them. And there's 954 01:01:16,830 --> 01:01:20,040 24 now wow, that's pretty big. 955 01:01:20,070 --> 01:01:23,940 Adam Curry: Yeah, I don't even know. Let's see. Let's 956 01:01:23,940 --> 01:01:25,620 Dave Jones: see. Well, I mean, it's going to show it's going to 957 01:01:25,620 --> 01:01:27,810 be picking up stuff like us too. You know, because like 958 01:01:27,900 --> 01:01:31,050 podcasting 2.0 Because we play a song. But 959 01:01:31,080 --> 01:01:33,570 Adam Curry: that's but that's what that's beautiful. I want 960 01:01:34,230 --> 01:01:38,010 curry in the keeper we played we played a song Putting the value 961 01:01:38,010 --> 01:01:39,450 time split worked perfectly. 962 01:01:40,080 --> 01:01:44,310 Dave Jones: See there's podcasts idiot by Kevin Bay. It's a mood 963 01:01:44,310 --> 01:01:50,340 we know that one. Mike Newman. Button meeting music Yep. Let's 964 01:01:50,340 --> 01:01:56,100 see who is the yeah Westenberg there's Yeah, Korean keeper 965 01:01:56,100 --> 01:01:58,980 there's the I'm just I'm like spot checking this. I'm doing a 966 01:01:58,980 --> 01:02:01,800 sanity check. The bowl after bowl. Yeah, this are Spencer. 967 01:02:01,800 --> 01:02:07,140 biskra and ball. splits are stupid. I don't know what show 968 01:02:07,140 --> 01:02:07,440 this. 969 01:02:07,920 --> 01:02:08,760 Adam Curry: I want to hear it. 970 01:02:09,870 --> 01:02:14,880 Dave Jones: It's podcast ID podcast index at 86622590. 971 01:02:15,210 --> 01:02:21,270 Adam Curry: No idea. Have you heard OYSTEIN show? No. I think 972 01:02:21,270 --> 01:02:26,280 he starts off by talking. I'm not sure. It's Martin and Mead 973 01:02:26,280 --> 01:02:31,440 and music. Maybe. Now he starts off. I started with peace. He's 974 01:02:32,430 --> 01:02:35,520 well, that's strategic. He's fun to listen to. It's fun when he 975 01:02:35,520 --> 01:02:36,030 talks. 976 01:02:37,920 --> 01:02:44,340 Unknown: My wish. And the next one is a guy's done with watch 977 01:02:44,340 --> 01:02:45,270 the road. 978 01:02:45,360 --> 01:02:49,650 Adam Curry: No, I think he said Scandinavian. Some Scandinavian 979 01:02:49,650 --> 01:02:50,610 country I think 980 01:02:50,670 --> 01:02:52,050 Dave Jones: okay. He's got a little Dutch 981 01:02:52,110 --> 01:02:54,570 Adam Curry: little flow little is great. And he's really he's 982 01:02:54,570 --> 01:02:59,220 really really mellow. He's like, okay, and the next one is he 983 01:02:59,220 --> 01:03:02,070 goes up tempo song is fantastic. 984 01:03:02,580 --> 01:03:06,240 Dave Jones: Let's see homegrown hits. Lightning thrashes. Yep, 985 01:03:06,270 --> 01:03:11,550 yep. Yep. Phantom power music our DJ V for V. 986 01:03:12,089 --> 01:03:16,409 Adam Curry: Yeah, that's dirty Jersey whore. 987 01:03:16,649 --> 01:03:19,859 Dave Jones: Dirty jersey. Oh, yes. Right. Something called 988 01:03:19,859 --> 01:03:24,719 help her videos. No, no, no, no. Developer weekly. I think this 989 01:03:24,719 --> 01:03:28,319 may be just a regular show. It says a weekly show for 990 01:03:28,319 --> 01:03:30,059 developers and technologists that are interested in 991 01:03:30,059 --> 01:03:33,509 technology. I think this is just a rent a regular show that 992 01:03:33,509 --> 01:03:38,969 they're adding music and don't split Nice. Before this game's 993 01:03:39,329 --> 01:03:42,449 office hours. 2.0 That's Chris over at Jupiter broadcasting 994 01:03:42,449 --> 01:03:43,979 this issue Blackhat music 995 01:03:44,520 --> 01:03:47,100 Adam Curry: are they putting music in? Or is it remote item 996 01:03:47,100 --> 01:03:48,090 to a different show? 997 01:03:50,190 --> 01:03:54,780 Dave Jones: See, yeah, I think it must be remote onto a 998 01:03:54,780 --> 01:03:55,800 different show. Because 999 01:03:55,800 --> 01:03:58,080 Adam Curry: that's cool. I mean, this is all gonna make so much 1000 01:03:58,080 --> 01:03:58,590 sense. 1001 01:03:59,340 --> 01:04:04,800 Dave Jones: Sets and sounds. That's Kevin Bay. Yeah, yeah. 1002 01:04:04,830 --> 01:04:07,500 Yeah. Cool. So there's a bunch of stuff in here. The fairly fun 1003 01:04:07,500 --> 01:04:11,730 show. C'est la vie. Silas vocht. Yeah. 1004 01:04:11,970 --> 01:04:14,610 Adam Curry: James is show got the rolling on show. 1005 01:04:15,600 --> 01:04:21,390 Dave Jones: Rolling on see podcast. I don't see a rolling 1006 01:04:21,420 --> 01:04:25,650 on what ideas it. Podcast ideas. 1007 01:04:27,390 --> 01:04:28,830 Adam Curry: No, I have a GUID for you. 1008 01:04:31,680 --> 01:04:33,660 Dave Jones: Just Just tell me character by character. Yes. 1009 01:04:33,690 --> 01:04:36,990 Okay. Ready. It's curly brackets. 1010 01:04:38,580 --> 01:04:41,790 Adam Curry: In the signal. I think that's the thing. That's 1011 01:04:41,790 --> 01:04:42,360 the good. 1012 01:04:43,230 --> 01:04:44,670 Dave Jones: All right. I'll check it out. This is good. If 1013 01:04:44,670 --> 01:04:47,550 somebody notices something in this endpoint that is missing. 1014 01:04:48,000 --> 01:04:50,040 Tell me because it'll help me bug hunt. 1015 01:04:51,750 --> 01:04:55,110 Adam Curry: Yeah, this is this is. I mean, people have to 1016 01:04:55,110 --> 01:04:58,830 realize that this is a category of podcast that has never 1017 01:04:58,830 --> 01:05:02,670 existed. It just hasn't exist, you weren't able to do this. 1018 01:05:03,270 --> 01:05:06,540 Now, and this is what I discuss with Julian Jim as well, we are 1019 01:05:06,540 --> 01:05:09,750 going to have to come up with some kind of permission slip, 1020 01:05:09,750 --> 01:05:15,180 call it a license, whatever you want it to be. So that, I mean, 1021 01:05:16,560 --> 01:05:19,830 I know what's going to happen. Once we get on the radar, which 1022 01:05:19,830 --> 01:05:22,620 is going to be years down the line, it'll take a while. I just 1023 01:05:22,620 --> 01:05:25,410 know this stuff. It'll take a while. We'll get on the radar, 1024 01:05:25,410 --> 01:05:28,410 ASCAP, BMI is going to come knocking somewhere and say, hey, 1025 01:05:28,830 --> 01:05:33,570 hey, you doing a performance of a song? You owe us money? And 1026 01:05:33,570 --> 01:05:35,580 I'm gonna have to say no, because I gave all the money to 1027 01:05:35,580 --> 01:05:38,790 the artists. And they're gonna go, Hey, artists, give me the 1028 01:05:38,790 --> 01:05:41,490 money. Oh, wait, give me the money. So I can give back to you 1029 01:05:41,520 --> 01:05:45,990 or whatever. But I'm going to, we're going to there's going to 1030 01:05:45,990 --> 01:05:50,760 be a legal situation where I am of the opinion that a podcast is 1031 01:05:50,760 --> 01:05:55,680 not a performance as the performance the royalty 1032 01:05:55,680 --> 01:06:00,660 organizations view it, because, well, I'll take that back. If 1033 01:06:00,660 --> 01:06:05,220 I'm doing a live stream, and I have 30 people or 300 or 3000 1034 01:06:05,220 --> 01:06:08,670 listening, yes, that's a performance of a piece of work 1035 01:06:08,670 --> 01:06:13,980 and something has to be figured out for that. Because they have 1036 01:06:13,980 --> 01:06:18,570 root they there is ASCAP, BMI licenses available for streams, 1037 01:06:18,750 --> 01:06:21,930 but not for free for music shows. Oh, no. And they have all 1038 01:06:21,930 --> 01:06:25,170 kinds of rules like, well, you have to have a server log what 1039 01:06:25,170 --> 01:06:28,050 songs play, you can't play more than two songs from one album 1040 01:06:28,050 --> 01:06:31,020 Back to back or in the same hour. It's all this bullcrap 1041 01:06:31,920 --> 01:06:38,070 that is completely antithetical antithetical to radio. So that's 1042 01:06:38,070 --> 01:06:42,180 going to be an issue but i i Would I will go to court to say 1043 01:06:42,180 --> 01:06:44,850 because I've gotten gone to court for Creative Commons and 1044 01:06:44,850 --> 01:06:48,120 one but I didn't win I didn't win any money I lost money 1045 01:06:48,120 --> 01:06:52,290 because I've had lawyers but I won the case which is precedent 1046 01:06:52,290 --> 01:06:56,400 for Creative Commons. You know, I'm creating a mechanical copy. 1047 01:06:57,540 --> 01:07:01,080 Now I am creating a derivative work and I just need the 1048 01:07:01,080 --> 01:07:03,900 permission from the from the publisher and the master owner 1049 01:07:03,900 --> 01:07:07,200 from that, I know that it's implied by putting it up on 1050 01:07:07,620 --> 01:07:11,430 value for value. But we're gonna have to have some kind of 1051 01:07:11,430 --> 01:07:13,560 permission in the feed you know something like 1052 01:07:14,370 --> 01:07:18,300 Dave Jones: Okay, explain this to me because this was a giant 1053 01:07:18,300 --> 01:07:23,910 thread of back and forth between quite a few people on podcast 1054 01:07:23,910 --> 01:07:31,440 index dot social pm this PBIS podcast index social this past 1055 01:07:31,440 --> 01:07:40,200 week and is all about Russell from I think he's from Australia 1056 01:07:40,560 --> 01:07:44,850 runs a hosting platform down there. He was saying you know, 1057 01:07:44,850 --> 01:07:49,770 this is this is all horrible. You know, everybody's gonna get 1058 01:07:49,770 --> 01:07:58,530 their pants suit off. Stop now, you know and this so I mean, 1059 01:07:58,530 --> 01:08:04,500 there is obviously concern here um, um, look, I'm from Alabama 1060 01:08:06,150 --> 01:08:06,990 I'm a simple guy. 1061 01:08:07,110 --> 01:08:09,570 Adam Curry: Oh, you're not gonna pull the arm from Alabama but 1062 01:08:09,570 --> 01:08:14,160 now all of a sudden Oregon Mr. Mr. Database. Okay, simple guy 1063 01:08:14,160 --> 01:08:16,500 from Alabama. I put everything in one table. 1064 01:08:16,890 --> 01:08:21,300 Dave Jones: It's because it's because I heard Jean beans. 1065 01:08:21,300 --> 01:08:23,640 Lovely. North Georgia accent 1066 01:08:23,670 --> 01:08:25,710 Adam Curry: I heard I'd love his accent is great. 1067 01:08:26,040 --> 01:08:28,320 Dave Jones: So okay, well, 1068 01:08:28,529 --> 01:08:30,629 Adam Curry: Russell Russell's coming from I think a different 1069 01:08:30,629 --> 01:08:33,509 place. I don't know Russell, he kind of showed up recently I 1070 01:08:33,509 --> 01:08:42,869 think on piste is acronym. And I believe that he specifically 1071 01:08:42,869 --> 01:08:47,639 does streams for radio stations. I can't I can't I can't be 1072 01:08:47,639 --> 01:08:52,769 wrong. I don't think he takes radio shows with music and turns 1073 01:08:52,769 --> 01:08:56,819 them into podcasts I could be wrong from the stream. Now there 1074 01:08:56,819 --> 01:09:01,769 is a specific carve out for radio stations. If you have an 1075 01:09:01,769 --> 01:09:09,509 existing radio station, you can have an internet stream and and 1076 01:09:09,509 --> 01:09:14,429 you can pay ASCAP BMI or whatever, you know, fill in your 1077 01:09:14,429 --> 01:09:18,089 local performance royalty organization. And again, this 1078 01:09:18,089 --> 01:09:24,479 may differ per country. So I'm not sure about Australia. This 1079 01:09:24,479 --> 01:09:30,239 may also I think, in Australia, you may be able to have an 1080 01:09:30,269 --> 01:09:33,389 online radio station I don't know if that is you have to have 1081 01:09:33,389 --> 01:09:37,049 server logs, you have to track what you played that I know for 1082 01:09:37,049 --> 01:09:40,499 sure that's how all of them operate. And you have to send 1083 01:09:40,499 --> 01:09:44,099 that in and they're going to charge you an X amount. Some of 1084 01:09:44,099 --> 01:09:46,769 them give you a blanket license. You can get this from Booma 1085 01:09:46,769 --> 01:09:50,759 stemmer in the Netherlands, but you have to geo locate located 1086 01:09:50,759 --> 01:09:54,509 is all kinds of hurdles. Believe me, nowhere in the world. Is 1087 01:09:54,509 --> 01:09:58,469 there an actual license for doing a free form music show in 1088 01:09:58,469 --> 01:10:02,129 a podcast and the reason for that My opinion is because the 1089 01:10:02,129 --> 01:10:05,729 performing rights organizations know that they have no business 1090 01:10:05,729 --> 01:10:10,379 licensing that because the song is actually being incorporated. 1091 01:10:10,469 --> 01:10:13,589 I'm not broadcasting it, I'm putting it on a server. And I'm 1092 01:10:13,589 --> 01:10:18,329 allowing people to make copies of it. So that would be the same 1093 01:10:18,329 --> 01:10:22,349 as taking an mp3 and putting on my server and say, Hey, go 1094 01:10:22,349 --> 01:10:26,159 ahead, copy this, everybody. Now, it would not be ASCAP, BMI 1095 01:10:26,159 --> 01:10:28,649 who would come and sue me it would be the publisher, the 1096 01:10:28,649 --> 01:10:32,579 label the owners, the owners of the work, specifically the 1097 01:10:32,579 --> 01:10:37,949 master and the publisher. So in this case, I'm not putting its 1098 01:10:37,949 --> 01:10:40,259 new I mean, this is something no one has done before. Because you 1099 01:10:40,259 --> 01:10:44,129 need a lot of buy in from from different parties, and it's 1100 01:10:44,129 --> 01:10:46,709 never going to work with I know, because I've tried for two 1101 01:10:46,709 --> 01:10:49,649 decades, you're not going to get labels and publishers ever to 1102 01:10:49,649 --> 01:10:51,749 buy, you know, they say, Are you crazy, I want to I want to 1103 01:10:51,749 --> 01:10:54,599 charge 99 cents for each one of those, which of course, that 1104 01:10:54,599 --> 01:10:58,949 model is now dead. I also talked to Jim and Julie about that, how 1105 01:10:58,949 --> 01:11:02,429 much money you make from people buying a track nothing. It's all 1106 01:11:02,429 --> 01:11:06,329 Street. Nothing, no one's buying music anymore. It's all all you 1107 01:11:06,329 --> 01:11:09,689 can eat. Remind me to tell you how that's not working in 1108 01:11:09,689 --> 01:11:15,659 general, either of the story about that. So this and I think 1109 01:11:16,229 --> 01:11:21,269 the way Russell's outfit works is he has to pay 20% of any 1110 01:11:21,269 --> 01:11:25,709 income to the Performing Rights Organization, which is that's 1111 01:11:25,709 --> 01:11:29,759 quite typical. A blanket license for a radio station could be a 1112 01:11:29,759 --> 01:11:32,639 small percent. I think if it's a radio station, maybe it's one, 1113 01:11:32,639 --> 01:11:36,269 two 3% It'll differ per country. And then you can play whatever 1114 01:11:36,269 --> 01:11:40,469 you want. And there's still logs that are created more or less. I 1115 01:11:40,469 --> 01:11:43,589 mean, I used to do it back in the day I do my radio show in 1116 01:11:43,589 --> 01:11:47,099 Holland and after the show we'd have to sit down and write down 1117 01:11:47,159 --> 01:11:51,299 little ASCAP BMI logs. Here's the song here's the track here's 1118 01:11:51,299 --> 01:11:56,399 the pen and paper a pen and paper Oh yeah, that's that's how 1119 01:11:56,399 --> 01:11:58,799 we let fans in the studio. Hey, girls 1120 01:12:01,800 --> 01:12:02,550 Dave Jones: grab a pen 1121 01:12:03,510 --> 01:12:07,080 Adam Curry: give me some coffee too. While you're at it, I'm not 1122 01:12:07,080 --> 01:12:11,220 kidding. Because that was the worst you're hated doing that 1123 01:12:11,220 --> 01:12:17,610 job that was the worst part and I gotta do my list. So so the 1124 01:12:17,610 --> 01:12:20,490 argument can be made that I am not brought forget streaming 1125 01:12:20,490 --> 01:12:24,030 from home because that is the that is a specific problem. But 1126 01:12:24,030 --> 01:12:27,420 just doing boosted Grand Ball not live doing it. The 1127 01:12:27,750 --> 01:12:30,420 derivative creating derivative works from all these different 1128 01:12:30,420 --> 01:12:36,690 songs. There is no mechanism for that other than physical 1129 01:12:36,690 --> 01:12:39,660 Derivative Works copies you know, you'd have to get 1130 01:12:39,660 --> 01:12:43,380 permission from all those individual is lazy it's like 1131 01:12:43,380 --> 01:12:49,320 doing if you did a hip hop song with samples now that you have 1132 01:12:49,320 --> 01:12:52,020 to get permission for everybody everybody has to be you know, 1133 01:12:52,020 --> 01:12:54,870 there's a percentage we divvy it all up and it goes into 1134 01:12:55,050 --> 01:12:58,320 publishing the writing the composition and the and the 1135 01:12:58,320 --> 01:13:01,170 owner of the master that's that's where that all goes into 1136 01:13:01,170 --> 01:13:06,240 so we need some explicit permission that will need it 1137 01:13:06,240 --> 01:13:08,490 eventually just to cover all the bases 1138 01:13:08,880 --> 01:13:10,950 Dave Jones: so when you say okay I'm just trying to understand 1139 01:13:10,950 --> 01:13:14,220 trying to follow this this chain of reasoning here because the 1140 01:13:15,360 --> 01:13:26,100 like I see a sir TJ he obviously is the sole writer of of his own 1141 01:13:26,130 --> 01:13:31,470 let's just say he he's he wrote a song on the banjo recorded it 1142 01:13:32,070 --> 01:13:36,480 posted it on wave lake or excuse me on his own his blog as a 1143 01:13:36,480 --> 01:13:41,250 music side project. Like he's he's the sole creator and owner 1144 01:13:41,250 --> 01:13:44,880 of this work in every shape form and fashion there is no other 1145 01:13:44,880 --> 01:13:53,400 parties involved. Why Why does there and he he posts it in a 1146 01:13:53,400 --> 01:13:57,510 way that puts a value time split into the feed referencing his 1147 01:13:57,510 --> 01:14:05,250 own website. How do we why do we need permission for like, I 1148 01:14:05,250 --> 01:14:10,050 don't understand why other organizations have any have any 1149 01:14:10,560 --> 01:14:14,430 like input or voice in that at all. 1150 01:14:15,480 --> 01:14:18,960 Adam Curry: That is that is law. That is actual law. The 1151 01:14:18,990 --> 01:14:23,790 performing rights organizations have statutory legal rights to 1152 01:14:23,790 --> 01:14:28,140 be the only organizations that can collect money from anybody 1153 01:14:28,320 --> 01:14:33,000 who performs it used to be sheet music as well. But who performs 1154 01:14:33,000 --> 01:14:39,600 a song in the in public outside of your personal home that's why 1155 01:14:39,600 --> 01:14:44,550 restaurants bars even at work if you have you know you're playing 1156 01:14:44,550 --> 01:14:49,260 music in the in the canteen, the mess, the mess or whatever, all 1157 01:14:49,260 --> 01:14:55,500 of that. The you have to pay by law, you have to pay a 1158 01:14:55,500 --> 01:14:58,440 performing rights organization for the right to do that. 1159 01:14:59,339 --> 01:15:01,259 Dave Jones: So you're saying Okay, so you're saying that if 1160 01:15:01,259 --> 01:15:09,299 I, if I write a song, and that I can, that I cannot, that there's 1161 01:15:09,599 --> 01:15:14,969 that I cannot go perform that and directly get money for that 1162 01:15:15,059 --> 01:15:18,119 it has to be brokered by law through a performing rights 1163 01:15:18,119 --> 01:15:21,569 organization as a go between between the audience and me, 1164 01:15:22,139 --> 01:15:24,479 even if I wrote the song and there's no other stakeholders 1165 01:15:25,860 --> 01:15:28,080 Adam Curry: say no, say that again, just so I get That's 1166 01:15:28,440 --> 01:15:29,220 exactly right. 1167 01:15:29,910 --> 01:15:34,140 Dave Jones: So, so I write a song. And then I go and perform 1168 01:15:34,140 --> 01:15:41,790 that song on my podcast for and put a value time split in excuse 1169 01:15:41,790 --> 01:15:44,520 me put a value block in it so that people are paying me 1170 01:15:44,520 --> 01:15:49,560 directly to listen to that song on my live show. It's all 1171 01:15:49,560 --> 01:15:52,710 content that I wrote from scratch. You're saying that 1172 01:15:52,710 --> 01:15:56,100 that's technically not legal because I by law, and required 1173 01:15:56,100 --> 01:16:02,580 to go to go engage a third party Performing Rights Organization 1174 01:16:02,580 --> 01:16:04,200 to broker those transactions for 1175 01:16:04,230 --> 01:16:08,130 Adam Curry: you? You don't know if you're a member of those 1176 01:16:08,550 --> 01:16:12,480 performing rights organizations? Yes, technically, a license has 1177 01:16:12,480 --> 01:16:15,990 to if it's a live performance, not a podcast, if it's a live 1178 01:16:15,990 --> 01:16:18,990 stream, or any type of performance in front of multiple 1179 01:16:18,990 --> 01:16:24,480 people. Not a podcast that's why there's never been a license for 1180 01:16:24,480 --> 01:16:26,970 it because that's not their realm because you're not 1181 01:16:27,180 --> 01:16:30,120 performing it for multiple people all at one time. 1182 01:16:30,509 --> 01:16:34,529 Dave Jones: This is very this is this is so startling to me. 1183 01:16:34,949 --> 01:16:41,789 Yeah, you're telling me as a you know, as a because my my son my 1184 01:16:41,789 --> 01:16:46,619 son's band is metal band you know they when they played they 1185 01:16:46,619 --> 01:16:50,069 played live at multiple shows and and got a little bit of 1186 01:16:50,069 --> 01:16:53,639 money for it and so that was all technically illegal 1187 01:16:56,700 --> 01:16:59,430 Adam Curry: What do you mean he was doing live streams? 1188 01:17:00,210 --> 01:17:03,300 Dave Jones: Is he an absolute? No, no, he's playing he's 1189 01:17:03,300 --> 01:17:05,610 playing his music live at a show is 1190 01:17:05,670 --> 01:17:09,210 Adam Curry: well now at a show the venue has to pay for that. 1191 01:17:10,139 --> 01:17:13,229 Dave Jones: But he that was startling to me. Is that there? 1192 01:17:13,319 --> 01:17:18,839 Is that anybody? Like there's no he's never been part of a label 1193 01:17:18,839 --> 01:17:21,449 or any I mean, let's just there's just some guys in the 1194 01:17:21,449 --> 01:17:25,349 garage that wrote some songs. They're not members of anything 1195 01:17:25,349 --> 01:17:25,739 at all. 1196 01:17:25,800 --> 01:17:31,110 Adam Curry: Okay. Okay, it's even this if they were in a 1197 01:17:31,110 --> 01:17:35,280 venue in a coffee shop, and they play a Taylor Swift song. That 1198 01:17:35,280 --> 01:17:37,710 coffee shop better have a blanket license, 1199 01:17:37,920 --> 01:17:39,660 Dave Jones: because no no, I'm talking about they play their 1200 01:17:39,660 --> 01:17:40,920 own songs they wrote 1201 01:17:41,429 --> 01:17:44,999 Adam Curry: and they're not ASCAP BMI members. No they're 1202 01:17:44,999 --> 01:17:47,429 not okay then there's no promise and David's then there's no 1203 01:17:47,429 --> 01:17:50,789 problem. They shouldn't be ASCAP. Most most artists I mean, 1204 01:17:50,819 --> 01:17:54,359 it's not a big deal to become an ASCAP BMI member because if it 1205 01:17:54,359 --> 01:17:57,809 is played somewhere, if it does become a hit, you want to you 1206 01:17:57,809 --> 01:17:59,819 want that that revenue coming in. 1207 01:18:01,260 --> 01:18:04,380 Dave Jones: Okay, so Okay, so I was misunderstanding you. I 1208 01:18:04,380 --> 01:18:08,010 thought you were saying that by law, you had to be an asshat BM 1209 01:18:08,010 --> 01:18:08,340 No, 1210 01:18:08,490 --> 01:18:13,140 Adam Curry: by law the only outfits that are allowed to to 1211 01:18:13,140 --> 01:18:17,730 collect are at their their sanction, ASCAP, BMI and by law. 1212 01:18:18,120 --> 01:18:22,860 Anyone who performs music in a public setting has to pay them 1213 01:18:23,760 --> 01:18:24,510 by law. 1214 01:18:25,860 --> 01:18:28,680 Dave Jones: That doesn't mean music of a member of ASCAP BMI. 1215 01:18:29,309 --> 01:18:33,119 Adam Curry: Yes, yeah, exactly. So so this is why you have 1216 01:18:33,149 --> 01:18:37,379 groceries is a big business grocery stores other you know, 1217 01:18:37,409 --> 01:18:41,039 there's just a big business in non ASCAP BMI music now, it 1218 01:18:41,039 --> 01:18:44,819 sucks a lot of it. But yeah, you can you can buy into music 1219 01:18:44,819 --> 01:18:48,599 services and you don't have to pay that that money, but it's 1220 01:18:48,779 --> 01:18:51,029 still gonna get hassled by those guys. They're going to be 1221 01:18:51,029 --> 01:18:54,149 checking you all the time. Make sure that something licensed 1222 01:18:54,149 --> 01:18:57,149 didn't slip in that kind of stuff. It's a mess. It's 1223 01:18:57,359 --> 01:19:01,829 Elevator Music a good point. Hard Hat. Elevator Music is 1224 01:19:01,829 --> 01:19:05,609 often is you can just buy into these services. I know people 1225 01:19:05,609 --> 01:19:08,639 who have become pretty successful, it means that hey, 1226 01:19:08,639 --> 01:19:11,579 you buy it on a monthly subscription. It's much cheaper 1227 01:19:11,579 --> 01:19:14,759 than the ASCAP BMI, it can run into 1000s for a restaurant or a 1228 01:19:14,759 --> 01:19:15,209 bar. 1229 01:19:16,680 --> 01:19:22,860 Dave Jones: So you're going to instead like cyst, so you're 1230 01:19:22,860 --> 01:19:28,290 going to let me handle like the split verification stuff. I'm 1231 01:19:28,290 --> 01:19:30,480 just gonna let you handle this kind of stuff. Because I'm still 1232 01:19:30,510 --> 01:19:34,050 this is very confusing to me. I have no business even like 1233 01:19:34,050 --> 01:19:38,040 having really any input on this. I would just, I want you to just 1234 01:19:38,040 --> 01:19:40,890 tell us what to do. And we'll and we'll do it just Carry 1235 01:19:40,890 --> 01:19:45,690 Adam Curry: on, carry on as steady as she goes. The worst 1236 01:19:45,690 --> 01:19:49,170 thing we can do is have long arguments on a social network 1237 01:19:49,170 --> 01:19:53,040 about this because that just it's useless. I've been I've 1238 01:19:53,070 --> 01:19:58,320 been down this this path for 20 years. And, and that's what we 1239 01:19:58,320 --> 01:20:01,110 did with the podsafe Music Network. If we created our own 1240 01:20:01,110 --> 01:20:05,790 license outside of ASCAP BMI never got hassled, by the way, 1241 01:20:05,850 --> 01:20:10,020 never got hassled, specifically for podcasts. And you can do 1242 01:20:10,020 --> 01:20:13,890 that. You can, I mean, you can do that you can get permission, 1243 01:20:13,920 --> 01:20:16,470 I can go to Paul McCartney and say, I want to play this track 1244 01:20:16,470 --> 01:20:20,550 by the Beatles. And I don't know if I think I don't know if it's 1245 01:20:20,550 --> 01:20:25,050 still Michael Jackson publishing that hones the Beatles music, 1246 01:20:25,230 --> 01:20:28,560 but I can get a license for you know, under certain parameters 1247 01:20:28,560 --> 01:20:32,820 to do that. It'll just be very expensive. But ASCAP BMI does 1248 01:20:32,820 --> 01:20:35,730 not come into play there. There's plenty of special music 1249 01:20:35,730 --> 01:20:39,060 projects that have been done, where you know, for a limited 1250 01:20:39,060 --> 01:20:43,260 time, and then the episode has to go away after a while. Oh, 1251 01:20:43,260 --> 01:20:45,870 yeah, that's, that's totally possible. So I'm not too worried 1252 01:20:45,870 --> 01:20:49,770 about it. But it's the perception and you still want to 1253 01:20:49,770 --> 01:20:53,880 have your artists ASCAP, BMI, A, because you know, the song is 1254 01:20:53,880 --> 01:20:56,370 going to become a hit, and then it's going to be played on radio 1255 01:20:56,370 --> 01:20:59,370 and you want the artists to have the joy of not receiving any 1256 01:20:59,370 --> 01:21:00,450 money through that avenue. 1257 01:21:04,080 --> 01:21:08,010 Dave Jones: Agreed. Okay, so what we need so it sounds like 1258 01:21:08,010 --> 01:21:12,720 we need a license that can be adopted into the podcast license 1259 01:21:12,720 --> 01:21:13,650 tag and the feed. 1260 01:21:13,650 --> 01:21:16,530 Adam Curry: Yes. And it's none of none of what is in there is. 1261 01:21:17,970 --> 01:21:19,950 is applicable. Okay, so 1262 01:21:19,950 --> 01:21:23,160 Dave Jones: we need something akin to the podsafe. License, 1263 01:21:23,190 --> 01:21:25,590 something of that, of that ilk. Yeah. 1264 01:21:25,620 --> 01:21:27,960 Adam Curry: And we'll get there. We don't we don't. I'm not too 1265 01:21:27,960 --> 01:21:32,760 worried about it right now. But But what we don't need as long 1266 01:21:32,790 --> 01:21:36,810 drawn out arguments over the how we're all going to die, because 1267 01:21:36,810 --> 01:21:39,630 it's just not I would like to not have those anymore. Yes. No, 1268 01:21:39,630 --> 01:21:42,270 I used I left. I'm like, no. Okay. 1269 01:21:43,680 --> 01:21:45,900 Dave Jones: I've got an ISO for this, by the way. Oh, you do 1270 01:21:46,050 --> 01:21:48,210 from fro from the left from last week? Because I don't think you 1271 01:21:48,210 --> 01:21:49,050 played the asset from 1272 01:21:49,290 --> 01:21:51,390 Adam Curry: which, from last week, 1273 01:21:51,450 --> 01:21:52,440 Dave Jones: there's only one? Yeah. 1274 01:21:53,100 --> 01:21:55,170 Adam Curry: Hold on. Let me find it. 1275 01:21:55,770 --> 01:21:57,360 Dave Jones: Oh, I threw a curveball at you. Because I did 1276 01:21:57,360 --> 01:22:00,420 not throw you I did not shoot you any clips today. Fantastic. 1277 01:22:00,570 --> 01:22:03,690 Adam Curry: That one? Yeah. Yeah. Nailed it. 1278 01:22:04,830 --> 01:22:08,670 Dave Jones: So yeah. All right. Well, I think that that makes me 1279 01:22:08,670 --> 01:22:12,840 feel better. That seems like a simple a simple thing. Because 1280 01:22:13,380 --> 01:22:17,790 Because music side project wave Lake, they could put these in 1281 01:22:17,970 --> 01:22:21,780 their UIs pretty easily, like, do you want to apply this 1282 01:22:21,780 --> 01:22:22,950 license to your feed? 1283 01:22:24,000 --> 01:22:29,010 Adam Curry: Yes. And so. And there is one other thing, I'm 1284 01:22:29,010 --> 01:22:37,590 just going to disagree. And that's, so there's a general 1285 01:22:37,590 --> 01:22:41,820 idea that and there is so if you record a I looked at all the 1286 01:22:41,820 --> 01:22:46,680 licensing, if you record someone else's song, the published song, 1287 01:22:46,680 --> 01:22:50,910 someone else's work, you can indeed, you can publish that 1288 01:22:50,910 --> 01:22:56,310 song on an online service, and you pay an X amount of money. 1289 01:22:56,460 --> 01:23:03,300 It's about 50 bucks, I think, for up to 500 downloads. Now, I 1290 01:23:03,300 --> 01:23:06,390 don't know what kind of reporting everyone has, but I'm, 1291 01:23:06,450 --> 01:23:12,360 I'm gonna think that no one has that information. And if, if if 1292 01:23:12,360 --> 01:23:20,520 I play a licensed song that needs to have 50 bucks per 500 1293 01:23:20,520 --> 01:23:24,930 downloads, and then I have, you know, 10,000 people listening to 1294 01:23:24,930 --> 01:23:28,200 the show that that song is in somewhere, something someone's 1295 01:23:28,200 --> 01:23:31,410 getting screwed one way or the other. So I suggest 1296 01:23:31,410 --> 01:23:35,460 Dave Jones: using op three. Because if you if you go with 1297 01:23:35,460 --> 01:23:38,160 any of the podcasts industrial complex downloaddownload 1298 01:23:38,160 --> 01:23:41,520 calculations, you're gonna be you're gonna be way over a 1299 01:23:42,990 --> 01:23:46,350 Adam Curry: good point. I guess the I guess the point is, I'm 1300 01:23:46,350 --> 01:23:50,040 just I just want to stay away from it. So no, I don't think 1301 01:23:50,040 --> 01:23:56,430 it's a good idea. I don't think any of the Yeah. People if 1302 01:23:57,450 --> 01:24:00,180 people are going to want to see real stats, if you if it comes 1303 01:24:00,180 --> 01:24:02,850 down to that. So even if you're just putting it up on your on 1304 01:24:02,850 --> 01:24:07,110 your own V for V, you know, I think that's something I'm not 1305 01:24:07,140 --> 01:24:12,000 I'm not comfortable with. So now will it will it possibly happen 1306 01:24:12,000 --> 01:24:15,210 that someone record something that I have never heard of 1307 01:24:15,210 --> 01:24:18,360 before? And it turns out that's owned by someone else? Yeah, 1308 01:24:18,390 --> 01:24:21,720 that could happen. So I hope people just stay away from it. 1309 01:24:21,720 --> 01:24:23,520 And I've seen some stuff here and there. It's like, okay, 1310 01:24:23,520 --> 01:24:27,270 that's the cover I know, that saw, like, No, I'm I'm not going 1311 01:24:27,270 --> 01:24:30,150 to play that. Because I know that it's going to be more than 1312 01:24:30,150 --> 01:24:34,530 500 downloads. And yeah, you may have paid for 500. But what what 1313 01:24:34,530 --> 01:24:38,700 if I, you know, play this and it's 50,000 You know, so 1314 01:24:39,780 --> 01:24:43,410 Dave Jones: where do we go and find this? Where do we go and 1315 01:24:43,410 --> 01:24:45,090 get such a license written? 1316 01:24:46,530 --> 01:24:48,480 Adam Curry: Or we can write that ourselves? That's not that hard. 1317 01:24:49,230 --> 01:24:55,350 Oh, really? Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah. It's not, hey, you do 1318 01:24:55,350 --> 01:24:57,360 database. I'll fix the license. 1319 01:24:58,500 --> 01:25:00,270 Dave Jones: I'll do a big table. You do big one. So 1320 01:25:00,270 --> 01:25:03,360 Adam Curry: big table big license. Perfect. Yeah, don't 1321 01:25:03,360 --> 01:25:06,690 and it's not it's not to be worried about really it isn't 1322 01:25:06,720 --> 01:25:11,010 because these companies performing rights organizations, 1323 01:25:11,010 --> 01:25:14,370 they've never been able to go after everybody because it's not 1324 01:25:14,370 --> 01:25:18,300 their wheelhouse. It's not a performance for a big audience. 1325 01:25:18,540 --> 01:25:22,530 It's a copy that is copied many times. And I'm either you either 1326 01:25:22,530 --> 01:25:25,800 I'm pirating your music because you didn't allow me to do it. 1327 01:25:26,190 --> 01:25:30,180 And I'm putting it in a in a in a like a mixtape. Or I have 1328 01:25:30,180 --> 01:25:32,970 permission to do it. It has nothing to do with the with 1329 01:25:32,970 --> 01:25:36,360 performing rights organization, but because it sounds like radio 1330 01:25:36,360 --> 01:25:39,450 people now like oh, it's radio, you're gonna get screwed now 1331 01:25:39,450 --> 01:25:39,870 freaking 1332 01:25:39,870 --> 01:25:40,860 Dave Jones: out. Yeah. For now. 1333 01:25:42,150 --> 01:25:45,180 Adam Curry: The live stuff, Jeff. Definitely a problem down 1334 01:25:45,180 --> 01:25:45,570 the road. 1335 01:25:46,440 --> 01:25:49,800 Dave Jones: Yeah. Okay. All right. Cool. Well, I mean, if we 1336 01:25:49,800 --> 01:25:52,650 Yeah, if we have a license, we could throw that into. We throw 1337 01:25:52,650 --> 01:25:54,870 that around the feed? We have a we have a tag for that. Yeah, 1338 01:25:54,900 --> 01:25:57,060 Adam Curry: exactly. That's, I think that's what's going to be 1339 01:25:57,060 --> 01:25:57,390 cool. 1340 01:26:00,390 --> 01:26:03,990 Dave Jones: Oscar and Bumi Oscar from fountain and Bumi from 1341 01:26:04,020 --> 01:26:09,630 Alby, they brought up on the GitHub aid. A desire to have the 1342 01:26:10,350 --> 01:26:11,910 to have a different type. 1343 01:26:13,050 --> 01:26:15,720 Adam Curry: Yes. For the recipient? Yes, yes. Yes, yes. 1344 01:26:16,350 --> 01:26:17,610 Dave Jones: And I wanted to bring this up on the show 1345 01:26:17,610 --> 01:26:23,910 because it needs other cause ad developers need to be aware of 1346 01:26:23,910 --> 01:26:28,290 this. So they currently the only type in the value recipient, the 1347 01:26:28,290 --> 01:26:34,020 only option for the type parameter is his lightning. And 1348 01:26:34,020 --> 01:26:42,780 like the lightning type expects the the destination to be can't 1349 01:26:42,780 --> 01:26:48,630 dress to be Kisa to be a Kison publickey. Exactly. And so they 1350 01:26:48,630 --> 01:26:54,960 want to have a another type. That is something something they 1351 01:26:54,960 --> 01:26:58,170 said you alien, your LP, but I don't, I'd rather it not be that 1352 01:26:58,170 --> 01:27:00,840 because that sounds like it's a full Ellen URL and 1353 01:27:00,930 --> 01:27:05,340 implementation which this is not. So let's call it something 1354 01:27:05,340 --> 01:27:07,200 like just bass 1355 01:27:08,220 --> 01:27:10,710 Adam Curry: Simulink. Yeah, 1356 01:27:10,950 --> 01:27:14,070 Dave Jones: yeah. Yeah, let's call it well, well known or 1357 01:27:14,070 --> 01:27:17,670 something I don't know. So the way this is basically just a tie 1358 01:27:17,700 --> 01:27:22,260 a different type that says, instead of the key, the, the 1359 01:27:22,800 --> 01:27:27,390 value, the destination address of the, of the split, being a 1360 01:27:27,510 --> 01:27:34,740 lightning PUBKEY. Lightning, no, PUBKEY, it's going to be a was a 1361 01:27:35,160 --> 01:27:41,430 URL that gets, excuse me, it's gonna be a lightning address. So 1362 01:27:41,430 --> 01:27:45,570 and then the lightning address will be Z keys and resolution 1363 01:27:45,600 --> 01:27:50,310 method. So you would have something like Dave, add get 1364 01:27:50,310 --> 01:27:56,970 allday.com which the app would turn into github.com/dot Well 1365 01:27:56,970 --> 01:28:03,750 known slash key sin slash Dave. And then in that JSON, this 1366 01:28:03,750 --> 01:28:09,540 resolve that way will be the destination address custom key 1367 01:28:09,540 --> 01:28:14,490 custom value, right. And so that's, that's the thing that 1368 01:28:14,490 --> 01:28:18,900 could be cached. You could you could look it up once, you know, 1369 01:28:18,900 --> 01:28:25,020 every, you know, so many days or, or seconds or whatever the 1370 01:28:25,020 --> 01:28:28,260 TTL is going to be on that. There could even be a TTL 1371 01:28:28,260 --> 01:28:31,260 parameter in there. And we can I can output that into that's 1372 01:28:31,260 --> 01:28:34,500 probably a good idea to have that. Or I can we can use the 1373 01:28:34,500 --> 01:28:36,630 cache header or whatever, you know, that needs to be 1374 01:28:36,630 --> 01:28:38,430 communicated. Somehow you cast your first certain amount of 1375 01:28:38,430 --> 01:28:41,220 time. That way, you're not having to do a URL address 1376 01:28:41,220 --> 01:28:46,170 resolution is right all the time. Anyway, I think it's fine. 1377 01:28:46,440 --> 01:28:49,800 It's not Ellen URL. Yeah, that'd be a nightmare. Yeah, initially, 1378 01:28:49,800 --> 01:28:52,650 Adam Curry: I thought it was. I thought it was a replacement. I 1379 01:28:52,650 --> 01:28:55,470 didn't realize they wanted optional. So I was like, my 1380 01:28:55,470 --> 01:29:00,450 hackles went down. And I was like, oh, it's optional. Okay. 1381 01:29:01,020 --> 01:29:02,820 And then they say what they want it for? 1382 01:29:04,260 --> 01:29:09,360 Dave Jones: Yeah, so that's in case, in case all of the case 1383 01:29:09,360 --> 01:29:16,680 the pub keys change. So if lb went to a different node, 1384 01:29:17,430 --> 01:29:22,080 infrastructure, and they required a pub key change, they 1385 01:29:22,080 --> 01:29:27,600 wouldn't have to go and ask everybody that uses an lb. Pub 1386 01:29:27,600 --> 01:29:33,660 key to update their feed. Got it? Got it. So yeah. Which which 1387 01:29:33,660 --> 01:29:38,940 makes sense? I think we could, if that happens, we could assist 1388 01:29:38,940 --> 01:29:39,390 with that 1389 01:29:39,390 --> 01:29:42,120 Adam Curry: by Yeah, you can do a search and replace in the 1390 01:29:42,120 --> 01:29:42,840 database. 1391 01:29:43,200 --> 01:29:44,940 Dave Jones: Yeah, we start handing out Yeah, we yeah, we 1392 01:29:44,940 --> 01:29:47,340 get we can we can help facilitate changes like that 1393 01:29:47,340 --> 01:29:49,530 there. But it's a good idea. 1394 01:29:50,550 --> 01:29:52,800 Adam Curry: But using it does add some overhead to apps that 1395 01:29:52,800 --> 01:29:54,660 want to follow that a little 1396 01:29:54,660 --> 01:29:57,900 Dave Jones: bit. Yes. A little bit. Okay. Yeah, but if if any 1397 01:29:57,900 --> 01:30:01,500 apps see a problem with that Please go to that discussion on 1398 01:30:01,500 --> 01:30:06,810 GitHub and give some feedback. Otherwise, we'll probably move 1399 01:30:06,810 --> 01:30:11,820 pretty fast with this and and throw this into the spec. And I 1400 01:30:11,820 --> 01:30:15,750 will be vocal about it on in the boardroom here to let everybody 1401 01:30:15,750 --> 01:30:18,840 know that that is happening and you need to make allowance for 1402 01:30:18,840 --> 01:30:21,990 that. We'll try to keep everybody apprised of it. 1403 01:30:22,020 --> 01:30:27,270 Because this that's a spec that rarely changes fairly, ever. 1404 01:30:27,810 --> 01:30:30,180 Adam Curry: But I want to thank whoever thought it was funny to 1405 01:30:32,550 --> 01:30:37,170 sign me up for ads from betterhelp.com. Thanks. 1406 01:30:39,870 --> 01:30:41,910 Dave Jones: This, this is a gift to you. Yes. Hi, 1407 01:30:41,910 --> 01:30:43,710 Adam Curry: Adam. I hope you're doing well today. Just wanted to 1408 01:30:43,710 --> 01:30:46,320 follow up on your sponsorship inquiry. Thank you for reaching 1409 01:30:46,320 --> 01:30:49,740 out to better help better help as a big advertiser. My name is 1410 01:30:49,740 --> 01:30:54,090 Sam, I work for a company called Influence logic to manage better 1411 01:30:54,090 --> 01:30:57,570 helps affiliate podcast partnerships. Cool. If you're 1412 01:30:57,570 --> 01:31:00,120 interested in discussing things further, I'd love to hear a bit 1413 01:31:00,120 --> 01:31:02,880 more about your show and discuss how we can work together. Please 1414 01:31:02,880 --> 01:31:06,210 provide a link to your show on Apple podcasts and any other 1415 01:31:06,210 --> 01:31:10,380 social media platforms you have. I want to ensure I'm grabbing 1416 01:31:10,380 --> 01:31:13,080 the right show my team and better help like to quickly 1417 01:31:13,080 --> 01:31:17,100 review accounts to ensure everything is brand safe before 1418 01:31:17,100 --> 01:31:18,240 we can proceed. 1419 01:31:18,870 --> 01:31:21,240 Dave Jones: Just send them a link to no agenda delegate. 1420 01:31:21,240 --> 01:31:22,380 We'll never hear from them again. 1421 01:31:23,430 --> 01:31:24,780 Adam Curry: I want to hear the rejection. 1422 01:31:27,000 --> 01:31:30,060 Dave Jones: Yes, I love the emails to podcast index. They 1423 01:31:30,060 --> 01:31:33,150 start off with Hello team. Yeah, there's no tenant. 1424 01:31:35,280 --> 01:31:37,710 Adam Curry: Although I'm a little insulted. YouTube, I 1425 01:31:37,710 --> 01:31:41,700 guess after all those those early invites, they never never 1426 01:31:41,700 --> 01:31:46,830 sent me a notice to come in have and give them my RSS feed. 1427 01:31:47,610 --> 01:31:50,130 Dave Jones: Now you're never gonna follow up. No, no. Not 1428 01:31:50,430 --> 01:31:51,060 surprising. 1429 01:31:51,180 --> 01:31:52,980 Adam Curry: I thought that they would spam all the email 1430 01:31:52,980 --> 01:31:55,380 addresses they had. I thought they would just you know, go 1431 01:31:55,380 --> 01:31:57,300 reach out to all kinds of podcasters I guess. 1432 01:31:57,660 --> 01:32:02,160 Dave Jones: They don't even know they have RSS. They don't they 1433 01:32:02,160 --> 01:32:05,100 don't know what they're doing this this this whole thing is a 1434 01:32:05,100 --> 01:32:09,600 joke. Well, I had a whole I had like, add like, four paragraphs 1435 01:32:09,600 --> 01:32:12,840 of notes to talk about YouTube and I'm just I don't even want 1436 01:32:12,840 --> 01:32:13,050 to do 1437 01:32:13,080 --> 01:32:16,230 Adam Curry: now the only thing I'll say is that supposedly 1438 01:32:16,260 --> 01:32:19,920 YouTube has been talking to hosting companies about 1439 01:32:19,950 --> 01:32:23,640 integrating you know, kind of the way Hey, remember how that 1440 01:32:23,640 --> 01:32:25,950 went worked with Spotify? Remember how that worked with 1441 01:32:26,610 --> 01:32:29,490 Facebook? That was Oh yeah. Oh, that's all those do that yeah, 1442 01:32:29,490 --> 01:32:32,730 that was a lot you're wasting cycles and I think YouTube wants 1443 01:32:32,730 --> 01:32:36,180 to take your business that's all I'll say. I think they want to 1444 01:32:36,180 --> 01:32:37,080 take your business 1445 01:32:38,190 --> 01:32:38,940 Dave Jones: not gonna argue 1446 01:32:39,150 --> 01:32:41,280 Adam Curry: Yeah, I mean, Spotify they want to take your 1447 01:32:41,280 --> 01:32:44,220 business they they literally took it and gave everyone free 1448 01:32:44,220 --> 01:32:45,570 stuff at a cast 1449 01:32:46,800 --> 01:32:49,710 Dave Jones: yet remember when you remember a couple of weeks 1450 01:32:49,710 --> 01:32:55,470 ago when we talked about the the inevitable discrepancy that's 1451 01:32:55,470 --> 01:32:59,460 going to curl calls some ripples within the advertising the 1452 01:32:59,460 --> 01:33:05,010 advertising podcasts industrial complex about Spotify as 1453 01:33:05,040 --> 01:33:09,690 streaming metrics versus the RSS download metrics Yeah, this is 1454 01:33:09,690 --> 01:33:13,800 about to get fun to watch because you're gonna have you're 1455 01:33:13,800 --> 01:33:18,360 gonna have RSS metrics showing a show with you know 25,000 1456 01:33:18,360 --> 01:33:24,090 downloads and and Spotify showing it with me no 700 Yeah, 1457 01:33:24,090 --> 01:33:29,040 this is gonna get this is gonna get fun ah, 1458 01:33:29,070 --> 01:33:30,900 Adam Curry: let's thank a few people. People have been 1459 01:33:30,900 --> 01:33:34,470 boosting throughout the entire show which we always love. And 1460 01:33:34,860 --> 01:33:38,820 kind of kick it off with Steven B 5000 SATs he says let Eric and 1461 01:33:38,820 --> 01:33:44,460 and know who's Eric and Eric in ERIC let Eric and no I'll be 1462 01:33:44,460 --> 01:33:47,280 recording a tutorial video to demonstrate building a music 1463 01:33:47,280 --> 01:33:50,340 show soon. Maybe this weekend? All right. Oh, there's arrogant. 1464 01:33:50,370 --> 01:33:55,680 Oh, I see. Eric. Eric and boosted before that from from 1465 01:33:55,710 --> 01:34:00,210 pod verse 5000 SATs You guys rock. You guys rock man. 1466 01:34:00,390 --> 01:34:03,210 Hopefully there can be a guide on how to do a music podcast 1467 01:34:03,210 --> 01:34:05,850 soon. Thanks for the inspiration. Okay, there we go. 1468 01:34:06,720 --> 01:34:11,310 That makes total sense. Hey citizen 6969 says go podcasting. 1469 01:34:12,960 --> 01:34:17,250 or head to 2112 Rush boost splits are stupid and helper 1470 01:34:17,250 --> 01:34:21,450 videos are peer tube channels. I set up for testing the split kit 1471 01:34:21,450 --> 01:34:24,210 integration for live and recorded videos configurable 1472 01:34:24,210 --> 01:34:29,460 Hmm. splits are stupid. All right. Okay. All right. All 1473 01:34:29,460 --> 01:34:33,810 right. Message received. Chad F 1000 says that if I listened to 1474 01:34:33,810 --> 01:34:36,630 booster Graham ball live, I have the stream playing in pod verse 1475 01:34:36,630 --> 01:34:38,670 and have the split kit open in the browser to boost the 1476 01:34:38,670 --> 01:34:43,020 artists. Yeah, that does work. That does work. But it's not as 1477 01:34:43,080 --> 01:34:48,600 it kind of is not as handy as we'd like it to be. Podcast 1478 01:34:48,600 --> 01:34:53,730 guru. Jason 2222 row of ducks. Were about to put live splits in 1479 01:34:53,730 --> 01:34:58,020 beta implementation has done an Android and iOS. Good. Talk 1480 01:34:58,020 --> 01:35:01,350 about that. Anonymous When you want to all rush boost, here's 1481 01:35:01,350 --> 01:35:04,380 another thing to add to the helipad To Do List auto payments 1482 01:35:04,590 --> 01:35:08,160 from peer tube have been going out successfully at midnight GMT 1483 01:35:08,160 --> 01:35:15,060 for a month now. Hmm Okay, so yeah, I mean so the auto 1484 01:35:15,060 --> 01:35:19,530 payments is there. Is there a tag? Is there a TLV bit that we 1485 01:35:19,530 --> 01:35:21,750 flipped for auto payment? I think so isn't it? I think 1486 01:35:21,750 --> 01:35:23,520 there's something in the in the spec for that. 1487 01:35:23,910 --> 01:35:25,830 Dave Jones: Yeah, there is. There's a there's three 1488 01:35:25,830 --> 01:35:30,660 different actions there's a boost stream and auto. Get Auto 1489 01:35:30,660 --> 01:35:34,320 is for automated, you know, non payments that were not initiated 1490 01:35:34,320 --> 01:35:34,800 by human. 1491 01:35:35,159 --> 01:35:40,769 Adam Curry: Okay, cool. Eric peepee so on your list 3333 I am 1492 01:35:40,769 --> 01:35:43,679 Mr. Robot. I always get the best clips from Dave talking about 1493 01:35:43,679 --> 01:35:47,039 the Bitcoin bros of noster trying to reinvent RSS love 1494 01:35:47,039 --> 01:35:50,339 these board meetings go podcasting. And there Sam Ceci 1495 01:35:50,339 --> 01:35:54,149 with his 10,000 sat boost from pod fans take three sending a 1496 01:35:54,149 --> 01:35:57,509 boost from pod fans. So probably two more to come. 1000 another 1497 01:35:57,509 --> 01:36:01,619 from Gadot Chad F Yes. Just hearing the word nasty irritates 1498 01:36:01,619 --> 01:36:10,319 me, says. Saints and SATs with a row of ducks 2222 anti war boost 1499 01:36:10,379 --> 01:36:14,639 away that was no agenda I'm sorry. You mixing the streams 1500 01:36:15,239 --> 01:36:17,819 across the stream didn't mean to do that didn't mean to do that. 1501 01:36:18,359 --> 01:36:22,289 Here's Mustapha with 100 SAT test booths got you. We got Mr. 1502 01:36:22,289 --> 01:36:26,339 Robot again. 2222 I hear more Bitcoin podcasts in Austin 1503 01:36:26,339 --> 01:36:29,789 talking about noster rather than figuring out all the advancement 1504 01:36:29,789 --> 01:36:34,829 in podcasting 2.0 It's quite sad and very Bitcoin Bitcoin bros. 1505 01:36:35,009 --> 01:36:38,939 Rinse and repeat. Yeah. Oh, it's what it is. They're all excited. 1506 01:36:38,939 --> 01:36:42,989 They're excited. Yeah. Other stuff. Oh, nice big row of 1507 01:36:42,989 --> 01:36:49,949 ducks. This is 22,222 from Mike Dell, YouTube, podcast, dumpster 1508 01:36:49,949 --> 01:36:59,909 fire boost go open podcasting. That's funny. 4111 from a Chris, 1509 01:36:59,909 --> 01:37:03,419 you know, I'd still love to make a playlist of V four v songs 1510 01:37:03,419 --> 01:37:05,849 that I can send to friends and family for them to listen to in 1511 01:37:05,849 --> 01:37:08,729 a modern podcast app is the best way to do this currently the 1512 01:37:08,729 --> 01:37:18,929 split kit and making my own feed for the playlist? I think so. I 1513 01:37:18,929 --> 01:37:22,919 think so. Or you could I mean, yeah, you 1514 01:37:22,920 --> 01:37:23,730 Dave Jones: say it again. 1515 01:37:24,000 --> 01:37:27,240 Adam Curry: Well, he says, I'd still love to make a playlist of 1516 01:37:27,240 --> 01:37:30,660 V four, V four v songs I can send to friends and family, for 1517 01:37:30,660 --> 01:37:33,420 them to listen to with a modern podcast app is the best way to 1518 01:37:33,420 --> 01:37:36,990 do this currently, the split kit and making my own feed for the 1519 01:37:36,990 --> 01:37:43,500 playlist. That's what there's a couple of ways you can do it, 1520 01:37:43,500 --> 01:37:47,610 really. But yeah, I think it would want I mean, you could 1521 01:37:47,610 --> 01:37:54,540 have Wow, you could have a feed, which is all your playlists, and 1522 01:37:54,540 --> 01:37:56,790 then an item could be a whole bunch of remote items. Am I 1523 01:37:56,790 --> 01:38:01,260 correct? Yes, you could have multiple playlists that way. 1524 01:38:01,769 --> 01:38:04,559 Dave Jones: Yeah. So are OPML with its Messier, it's gonna 1525 01:38:04,559 --> 01:38:07,079 import all the feeds as if they're separate RSS feed. 1526 01:38:07,469 --> 01:38:11,189 Adam Curry: I'm sure the Steven B emporium of apps will have a 1527 01:38:11,189 --> 01:38:13,139 playlist creator for you very soon. 1528 01:38:13,620 --> 01:38:16,110 Dave Jones: It's called ln playlist commerce. 1529 01:38:16,589 --> 01:38:18,749 Adam Curry: It's going to be that Yes. Yeah, it's gonna be 1530 01:38:18,749 --> 01:38:21,569 there. And it'll have the appropriate medium medium equals 1531 01:38:21,569 --> 01:38:23,489 music. L I think is not 1532 01:38:23,549 --> 01:38:26,999 Dave Jones: ln, ln mix. LLN mix.com is was gonna be Yeah, 1533 01:38:27,299 --> 01:38:29,969 yeah, the playlists. Yeah, that's right. The music l 1534 01:38:30,029 --> 01:38:31,109 Musico. Yes. 1535 01:38:33,660 --> 01:38:36,630 Adam Curry: E podcasts are 16,000 Love me some podcasting. 1536 01:38:36,630 --> 01:38:39,900 2.0 Goodness on a Friday afternoon. 16,000 SATs to mark 1537 01:38:39,900 --> 01:38:47,190 the 16th annual National podcast post month aka na pod Pomo. Not 1538 01:38:47,220 --> 01:38:51,600 on promo not pa hobo. The original November 30 Day podcast 1539 01:38:51,600 --> 01:38:57,420 challenge now pod pomo.org I had no idea. Nothing. Popo no Popo 1540 01:38:57,630 --> 01:39:01,920 no pod popo. Okay. Oh, there's Dave Jackson with 100 SATs from 1541 01:39:01,920 --> 01:39:07,230 pod fans. Good. That works. And there's Sam Sethi. Oh, okay. Sam 1542 01:39:07,230 --> 01:39:12,510 Sethi am hanging out. Pre boosting from Italy. Drinking 1543 01:39:12,510 --> 01:39:22,170 Barolo and truffle hunting 101010 101,010 20 is Blaze on I 1544 01:39:22,170 --> 01:39:24,000 am Paula and 1545 01:39:24,780 --> 01:39:27,450 Dave Jones: that's a man who's confident in his boost. But that 1546 01:39:27,450 --> 01:39:28,530 is Eric PP 1547 01:39:28,530 --> 01:39:32,070 Adam Curry: has like a bowler donation somehow. This isn't 1548 01:39:32,070 --> 01:39:34,740 good like a whole bunch of bowling balls yes very confident 1549 01:39:34,740 --> 01:39:37,080 man. And that comes from pod fence. 1550 01:39:37,920 --> 01:39:39,750 Dave Jones: Yeah, well you don't you don't throw you don't throw 1551 01:39:39,750 --> 01:39:45,240 out a six figure boost in boast about your wine unless you have 1552 01:39:45,300 --> 01:39:48,960 unless you're bold and have have confidence in your boostability 1553 01:39:49,019 --> 01:39:51,779 Adam Curry: Now here's what's cool is pod fans is so great. He 1554 01:39:51,779 --> 01:39:55,169 sent the exact same booster gram twice with the same amount of 1555 01:39:57,959 --> 01:40:02,519 blades only him follow We love that double booster. Double pop 1556 01:40:02,519 --> 01:40:04,649 fan. Double boosting we love that held 1557 01:40:04,650 --> 01:40:06,720 Dave Jones: the button down a little too long. 1558 01:40:06,840 --> 01:40:09,510 Adam Curry: I love it, man. Thank you. Dred Scott with a 1559 01:40:09,510 --> 01:40:14,820 15,100 Sad boost. Thank you drugged and let me see I think 1560 01:40:14,820 --> 01:40:18,000 that is yeah, that's what we have for the pre boosts. What do 1561 01:40:18,000 --> 01:40:22,890 you got on your list? Oh, we got one more. Oh, this is 1562 01:40:22,890 --> 01:40:27,420 interesting. This came in with literally with nothing Oh, 1563 01:40:27,420 --> 01:40:31,800 that's what is this? This is Bucha Oh boo CLI, okay, that 1564 01:40:31,800 --> 01:40:36,330 doesn't even say doesn't even say what that's for. Wow, that's 1565 01:40:36,330 --> 01:40:40,890 weird. Feed ID Okay, well that I don't think that was for us. 1566 01:40:41,219 --> 01:40:44,099 Dave Jones: Mike Dell sent us a picture that I sent to you 1567 01:40:44,099 --> 01:40:44,309 through 1568 01:40:44,610 --> 01:40:47,790 Adam Curry: the dumpster fire. I saw as funny 1569 01:40:48,210 --> 01:40:51,600 Dave Jones: as Dave Jackson not only sent us a boost, but he 1570 01:40:51,600 --> 01:40:53,520 also sent us a $50 PayPal. 1571 01:40:53,580 --> 01:40:55,110 Adam Curry: Oh, thanks, brother. 1572 01:40:55,110 --> 01:40:57,630 Dave Jones: So can I hear from the school of podcasting? Very 1573 01:40:57,630 --> 01:41:03,300 nice. Thank you. much appreciate it. And we got let's see Kevin 1574 01:41:03,300 --> 01:41:08,640 Bay, the aforementioned Kevin bay from the DJ music shows he 1575 01:41:08,640 --> 01:41:13,080 sent $6 And he says I missed the monthly donation from the 1576 01:41:13,080 --> 01:41:17,070 endowment fund because I was in Italy. Oh, are you truffle 1577 01:41:17,070 --> 01:41:17,550 Hunter? Yes. 1578 01:41:18,540 --> 01:41:19,410 Adam Curry: Sam Sethi 1579 01:41:21,060 --> 01:41:24,720 Dave Jones: here's September's and October's lunga Vita. Oh, 1580 01:41:24,720 --> 01:41:25,560 podcasting. 1581 01:41:25,980 --> 01:41:27,540 Adam Curry: Okay, very nice. 1582 01:41:27,990 --> 01:41:28,920 Dave Jones: You like my Italian? 1583 01:41:29,100 --> 01:41:31,860 Adam Curry: Very good. Love your eyes. Your eye Italian is rockin 1584 01:41:31,860 --> 01:41:32,370 and rollin 1585 01:41:32,730 --> 01:41:36,990 Dave Jones: Franco. Just gotta like he's fell over in his out 1586 01:41:36,990 --> 01:41:37,440 of his chair. 1587 01:41:37,620 --> 01:41:38,340 Adam Curry: Sure. 1588 01:41:39,390 --> 01:41:42,990 Dave Jones: Let's see yarn, Rosenstein. Send us $1. And 1589 01:41:42,990 --> 01:41:45,570 that's subscription. The new subscription. Thank you. Thank 1590 01:41:45,570 --> 01:41:49,410 you yarn. Appreciate it. And for all the people like the Israel 1591 01:41:49,440 --> 01:41:51,630 Israel stuff, you know, we've been talking to Brian, he's, 1592 01:41:51,660 --> 01:41:52,920 he's fine. He's Yeah. Okay. 1593 01:41:52,950 --> 01:41:55,080 Adam Curry: Yeah, he's got a little group. We've been back 1594 01:41:55,080 --> 01:41:58,770 and forth. He's definitely not a happy camper. But he's not 1595 01:41:58,770 --> 01:42:03,090 Dave Jones: happy but safe. Yeah. We got, although he did. 1596 01:42:03,570 --> 01:42:05,280 Adam Curry: He did post something about hive the other 1597 01:42:05,280 --> 01:42:07,200 day. I'm like, okay, he's doing better now. 1598 01:42:07,470 --> 01:42:13,920 Dave Jones: He's so my daughter. My youngest daughter. We used to 1599 01:42:13,920 --> 01:42:16,620 judge how good she felt by how many cinnamon rolls she could 1600 01:42:16,620 --> 01:42:20,250 eat. Like, if she was feeling real puny, you know, she may not 1601 01:42:20,250 --> 01:42:24,060 eat any or she may eat one. When she's when she's feeling like 1602 01:42:24,060 --> 01:42:26,940 fantastic on top of the world. I mean, she could put she this is 1603 01:42:26,940 --> 01:42:29,670 like she's four years old. That's fine. She could put away 1604 01:42:29,670 --> 01:42:31,140 for cinnamon roll. You're 1605 01:42:31,140 --> 01:42:32,820 Adam Curry: feeding you're feeding your four year old 1606 01:42:32,820 --> 01:42:36,840 cinnamon rolls. Well, I mean, it's Alabama. Yeah, I get it's 1607 01:42:36,840 --> 01:42:37,890 Alabama. Okay, 1608 01:42:37,920 --> 01:42:42,930 Dave Jones: yeah, we gotta get diabetes started. So like this, 1609 01:42:42,960 --> 01:42:45,480 this is how you judge whether bronze okay. Is how many 1610 01:42:46,680 --> 01:42:52,140 mentions? Yes, yes. Oh, he's good. He's doing okay. Sir Libra 1611 01:42:52,170 --> 01:42:57,780 from lightning thrashes in us 3333 podcast index. I heard it 1612 01:42:57,780 --> 01:43:01,800 on a podcast. Yeah. Yeah. That was thrilled to get this artist 1613 01:43:01,800 --> 01:43:05,490 in touch with blueberry. It's great. I underwritten dot media. 1614 01:43:05,550 --> 01:43:05,850 Okay, 1615 01:43:05,910 --> 01:43:06,960 Adam Curry: I have not heard back. 1616 01:43:08,160 --> 01:43:12,180 Dave Jones: See, we got Lightning tng store. Oh, that 1617 01:43:12,180 --> 01:43:16,860 Sam means. Hello, Sam. Send us 1234 through fountain nice. Give 1618 01:43:16,860 --> 01:43:21,540 some emoji some lightning love. Karen for the mere mortals 1619 01:43:21,540 --> 01:43:25,650 podcast. 2222 through fountain he says V for V RSS and BTC are 1620 01:43:25,650 --> 01:43:26,850 all I need love. 1621 01:43:28,920 --> 01:43:31,260 Adam Curry: He's a poet. He's a poet, ladies and gentlemen. 1622 01:43:31,470 --> 01:43:35,010 Dave Jones: That's gonna be some lyrics to it's BTC and V for the 1623 01:43:35,010 --> 01:43:43,830 euro Allah need. Yeah. Okay. ASCAP. BMI would never come to 1624 01:43:43,830 --> 01:43:45,510 demand money for songs that arrive 1625 01:43:46,440 --> 01:43:48,960 Adam Curry: loose are probably not 1626 01:43:49,530 --> 01:43:53,400 Dave Jones: anonymous. 5000 says through podcast index. Is it 1627 01:43:53,400 --> 01:43:57,810 really fair to say big tech returns no value to creators. I 1628 01:43:57,810 --> 01:44:01,230 see lots of self described non techie YouTubers in the how to 1629 01:44:01,230 --> 01:44:04,680 DIY category upgrading tools, shops, even quitting their day 1630 01:44:04,680 --> 01:44:08,220 jobs. Hate to defend big tech. But there is value in making 1631 01:44:08,220 --> 01:44:10,170 something so easy that a caveman can do it. 1632 01:44:10,920 --> 01:44:13,320 Adam Curry: Oh, sure. Have you seen the same people when the 1633 01:44:13,320 --> 01:44:16,530 algo screws them or when they get demonetized or D platformed? 1634 01:44:16,530 --> 01:44:18,690 How sad they are after they've quit their day job. 1635 01:44:20,160 --> 01:44:23,160 Dave Jones: I don't think anybody ever said I don't think 1636 01:44:23,160 --> 01:44:27,030 we said that big tech returns no value to creators. I think what 1637 01:44:27,030 --> 01:44:32,790 we're saying I echo James James's thing that he said big 1638 01:44:32,790 --> 01:44:36,570 tech lets you keep a little bit of the value of from the content 1639 01:44:36,600 --> 01:44:38,010 that you made. That's right. 1640 01:44:38,820 --> 01:44:40,920 Adam Curry: That's give us all your creativity. And here's 1641 01:44:40,920 --> 01:44:42,510 nothing maybe a pittance. 1642 01:44:42,900 --> 01:44:46,020 Dave Jones: Yeah, you give us all the value there. You let us 1643 01:44:46,020 --> 01:44:49,860 monetize your show. And if you monetize it enough, we'll let 1644 01:44:49,860 --> 01:44:50,610 you keep a little bit. 1645 01:44:50,610 --> 01:44:52,410 Adam Curry: I mean, here's the difference. This is big tech. 1646 01:44:53,250 --> 01:44:57,360 And this is us. Which one do you want to be a part of? You tell 1647 01:44:57,360 --> 01:44:57,660 me 1648 01:44:58,260 --> 01:45:01,110 Dave Jones: the mozzie 3333 Through fountain nice says glad 1649 01:45:01,110 --> 01:45:03,360 to hear the update from the discussion with the guys at wave 1650 01:45:03,360 --> 01:45:09,270 Lake. Yep, good discussion. Oh, Adam curry 1500 says boosting 1651 01:45:09,270 --> 01:45:10,620 into the chapters unless you 1652 01:45:11,519 --> 01:45:14,099 Adam Curry: Yeah, that was my test. Yes, I did. Yeah, it's 1653 01:45:14,099 --> 01:45:16,529 self boosting. It feels good. 1654 01:45:17,130 --> 01:45:20,460 Dave Jones: Kevin Bay 20,000 SATs through partners got my 1655 01:45:20,460 --> 01:45:23,760 first two booster grams on my music show sets and sounds. So 1656 01:45:23,760 --> 01:45:26,070 I'm paying it forward. It wouldn't be possible without 1657 01:45:26,070 --> 01:45:28,800 that magic wallet switching technology. Yoo hoo. 1658 01:45:30,030 --> 01:45:31,650 Adam Curry: Nice. Oh, cool. Kevin. 1659 01:45:32,250 --> 01:45:37,830 Dave Jones: Blown Yank. Okay. This is a new loan. Yeah. 22 To 1660 01:45:37,830 --> 01:45:41,610 22 Big Rolodex, he says, Thanks for everything you guys do. I 1661 01:45:41,610 --> 01:45:44,820 listen to all my podcasts while I'm driving. So podcast addict 1662 01:45:44,820 --> 01:45:48,180 is my go to is their Android Auto app is great, but no 1663 01:45:48,180 --> 01:45:52,140 boosting. I'm sure some would consider it unsafe. But if these 1664 01:45:52,140 --> 01:45:55,980 app developers could build out more Android Auto apps, 1665 01:45:56,160 --> 01:45:59,190 particularly with boosting I'd be a happy guy and we'd be 1666 01:45:59,190 --> 01:46:02,250 boosting a lot more in the morning and KTL D Yes. 1667 01:46:02,940 --> 01:46:05,820 Adam Curry: Virginia. Yes. I recognize the name. Pod verse 1668 01:46:05,820 --> 01:46:09,720 just added Android Auto give that a whirl? 1669 01:46:10,470 --> 01:46:20,730 Dave Jones: Yeah, yep. 33 over 10 1234567 sets true. Shot kala 1670 01:46:20,730 --> 01:46:27,930 20 is Blaze on am Paula has a good story. Through breeze so 1671 01:46:27,930 --> 01:46:32,310 I'm sure the the bat signal the red lights started spinning in 1672 01:46:32,310 --> 01:46:37,590 Roy's basement. When this boost went out, Adam and Dave 2.0 1673 01:46:37,590 --> 01:46:43,230 rocks advertising don't work up talking works. This is 3131 ish 1674 01:46:43,230 --> 01:46:46,410 percent of the 4 million says that JCD refused. 1675 01:46:46,440 --> 01:46:49,740 Adam Curry: That's right. He emailed me he said Hey man, can 1676 01:46:49,740 --> 01:46:54,780 I can I send you 4 million SATs? I'm like brother I would love it 1677 01:46:54,780 --> 01:47:00,750 but you know this has failed so miserably. You know, the was the 1678 01:47:00,750 --> 01:47:04,830 company I was working with. They index the the ibex never got it 1679 01:47:04,830 --> 01:47:08,970 together with the keys and then they just they couldn't get it 1680 01:47:08,970 --> 01:47:12,900 together. And then they switched and we had to get an account 1681 01:47:12,900 --> 01:47:18,300 with Swan Bitcoin. And in Texas I can't have a Bitcoin to fiat 1682 01:47:18,300 --> 01:47:22,230 account. That is that is with Swan because one doesn't have a 1683 01:47:22,230 --> 01:47:25,860 license currently in Texas for some reason. Oh, no. Oh, yeah. 1684 01:47:25,860 --> 01:47:29,850 So all kinds of stuff like that. And then and then me what we did 1685 01:47:29,850 --> 01:47:36,120 get from our no agenda was so it was like, I think we got maybe 1686 01:47:36,120 --> 01:47:41,850 in a course of a month, maybe eight donations. And then and 1687 01:47:42,240 --> 01:47:46,650 then it just went away. Cool. Yeah. No, it's not cool. It's 1688 01:47:46,650 --> 01:47:49,980 not so. But so you know, I mean, when you boost no agenda, it 1689 01:47:49,980 --> 01:47:54,270 goes to a whole bunch of other people. Artists, it goes to Dred 1690 01:47:54,270 --> 01:47:58,290 Scott. It goes to Jeff Smith. I mean, it goes to a whole bunch 1691 01:47:58,290 --> 01:48:02,490 of places. So you are helping podcasting 2.0 When you boost no 1692 01:48:02,490 --> 01:48:04,290 agenda, it just doesn't help no agenda. 1693 01:48:04,559 --> 01:48:06,479 Dave Jones: It just doesn't go to you know, doesn't No, it 1694 01:48:06,479 --> 01:48:06,929 doesn't. 1695 01:48:08,310 --> 01:48:13,020 Adam Curry: Yeah, exactly. I'm getting in the mood for our 1696 01:48:13,020 --> 01:48:13,920 YouTube show. 1697 01:48:16,200 --> 01:48:19,440 Dave Jones: Comic Strip blogger, the diameter limiter 3015. 1698 01:48:19,440 --> 01:48:22,800 Through fountain he says, howdy, David. Adam. Please invite your 1699 01:48:22,800 --> 01:48:28,530 listeners to visit my cartoon blog at www dot CSB dot lol and 1700 01:48:28,530 --> 01:48:33,240 ask your listeners to follow me on Twitter slash x at at CSB. 1701 01:48:33,660 --> 01:48:38,850 Just three letters C, S and B. Then I'll follow back and answer 1702 01:48:38,850 --> 01:48:44,160 all questions. Yo C. Comic Strip, comic strip, 1703 01:48:44,430 --> 01:48:51,570 Unknown: comic strip, comics, comic strip comics jam comic 1704 01:48:51,570 --> 01:48:51,930 strip, 1705 01:48:52,680 --> 01:48:54,540 Adam Curry: probably one of the oldest jingles I have. 1706 01:48:56,400 --> 01:48:59,760 Dave Jones: We got let's see, we get some monthlies. We get a 1707 01:48:59,760 --> 01:49:04,950 few. We get Trevor zener. $5. We can't wait we only have we only 1708 01:49:04,950 --> 01:49:09,120 have to Jeremy Garrett's $5 The one that I thought was a third 1709 01:49:09,120 --> 01:49:11,250 was actually a cancel subscription for 11. 1710 01:49:12,360 --> 01:49:16,920 Adam Curry: Oops. Okay, we got to we got to we got to Alright, 1711 01:49:16,920 --> 01:49:20,520 that's it. Those are the two Okay, that's it. Yeah. Got it. 1712 01:49:20,580 --> 01:49:23,400 All right, nothing on the tally coin but thank you all very much 1713 01:49:23,400 --> 01:49:26,550 for supporting podcast, podcasting. 2.0 supporting the 1714 01:49:26,550 --> 01:49:28,680 index opponent supporting the podcast supporting the work 1715 01:49:28,680 --> 01:49:31,170 supporting the machines, supporting the tables. 1716 01:49:31,830 --> 01:49:35,040 Everything that we do here and you can go to podcast index.org 1717 01:49:35,220 --> 01:49:38,190 At the bottom of that page you can find two red buttons one for 1718 01:49:38,190 --> 01:49:42,120 your Fiat fun coupons. We obviously accept Paypal, you can 1719 01:49:42,120 --> 01:49:45,900 click on that the other one is for tally coin, which if you if 1720 01:49:45,900 --> 01:49:47,820 you have some bitcoin, it's one of those things like hey, you 1721 01:49:47,820 --> 01:49:50,370 can send an on chain Bitcoin, big amounts, whatever you want. 1722 01:49:50,400 --> 01:49:54,450 And it doesn't really happen dribs and drabs got SALLY Oh, 1723 01:49:54,480 --> 01:49:58,710 tell the hotel the hotel you but we prefer that you get a modern 1724 01:49:58,710 --> 01:50:03,390 podcast, our podcast abs.com and boost boost away we really 1725 01:50:03,390 --> 01:50:06,810 appreciate it his value for value everything we have goes 1726 01:50:06,810 --> 01:50:09,810 right back into the project and we real and it keeps us running 1727 01:50:09,810 --> 01:50:12,750 in case everyone falls down and we go into some horror The only 1728 01:50:12,750 --> 01:50:16,200 thing we're not well I guess we have all the stats stay on the 1729 01:50:16,200 --> 01:50:18,720 node but if we get hyperinflation then the Pay Pal 1730 01:50:18,720 --> 01:50:23,340 money's not going to matter. So hopefully the Bitcoin will will 1731 01:50:23,370 --> 01:50:25,830 will be our saving grace when we hit third lindo 1732 01:50:25,830 --> 01:50:29,700 Dave Jones: does take Bitcoin. Oh, yeah. That's cool. They 1733 01:50:29,700 --> 01:50:30,930 don't take my name, but we can. 1734 01:50:32,640 --> 01:50:35,580 Adam Curry: Yeah, we can lose some SATs in the submarine swap. 1735 01:50:36,780 --> 01:50:40,650 Dave Jones: Daniel J. Lewis said CSB blocked me on Twitter. Well, 1736 01:50:40,650 --> 01:50:42,990 that's the boost was alive. 1737 01:50:44,040 --> 01:50:47,160 Adam Curry: What? Why would he do that? That doesn't sound like 1738 01:50:47,160 --> 01:50:51,360 comic strip blogger. He doesn't block people. You blocked me. 1739 01:50:51,450 --> 01:50:57,930 Don't block me. All right. Anything else? Board meeting? I 1740 01:50:57,930 --> 01:51:01,110 got through my list. I have the the music industry stuff I can 1741 01:51:01,110 --> 01:51:03,390 tell. Talk about that on the next next show. 1742 01:51:03,780 --> 01:51:07,410 Dave Jones: Yeah, I got I got two things on my list that that 1743 01:51:07,410 --> 01:51:09,450 I want to talk about next show we can look at punt. 1744 01:51:09,600 --> 01:51:11,970 Adam Curry: Okay. Well, thank you very much, everyone who's 1745 01:51:11,970 --> 01:51:14,850 been listening. Thank you for your live attendance at the 1746 01:51:14,850 --> 01:51:17,460 board meeting there in the chat room. We appreciate everyone 1747 01:51:17,460 --> 01:51:20,640 boosting in live and of course thank everybody who has been a 1748 01:51:20,640 --> 01:51:24,210 part of this magical project. You know who you are. Thank you 1749 01:51:24,210 --> 01:51:26,310 for being here for the board meeting. Have a great weekend 1750 01:51:26,310 --> 01:51:29,790 everybody. We'll be back next Friday with another episode and 1751 01:51:29,790 --> 01:51:33,870 edition of the podcasting 2.0 board meeting. See you then. Bye 1752 01:51:33,870 --> 01:51:34,590 bye everybody. 1753 01:51:50,820 --> 01:51:55,380 Unknown: You have been listening to podcasting 2.0 Visit podcast 1754 01:51:55,380 --> 01:52:01,350 index.org for more information. Cool, fantastic.