1 00:00:00,539 --> 00:00:05,639 Adam Curry: podcasting 2.0 for November 24 2023 Episode 156 2 00:00:05,699 --> 00:00:12,539 model drift hello everybody welcome to podcasting 2.0 What 3 00:00:12,539 --> 00:00:16,199 is your weekly podcast? That's not a podcast is actually a 4 00:00:16,199 --> 00:00:20,099 board meeting that's right board meeting of podcasting 2.0 We are 5 00:00:20,099 --> 00:00:23,369 the only boardroom that meets even on national holidays 6 00:00:23,609 --> 00:00:26,969 American national holidays that is I'm Adam curry here in the 7 00:00:26,969 --> 00:00:29,819 heart of the Texas Hill Country and in Alabama the man who will 8 00:00:29,819 --> 00:00:32,969 kill your rooster at the drop of a hat say hello to my friend on 9 00:00:32,969 --> 00:00:39,239 the other end ladies and gentlemen, Mr. Day Jones 10 00:00:41,070 --> 00:00:46,230 Dave Jones: this extra long Thanksgiving moon yeah, I'm 11 00:00:46,230 --> 00:00:48,870 Adam Curry: I'm I'm all you know, I'm trying to get over the 12 00:00:49,380 --> 00:00:53,250 over the turkey. sleeping powder. What is it called? 13 00:00:53,460 --> 00:00:56,400 What's the stuff that in Turkey that makes you sleep? The 14 00:00:56,400 --> 00:01:00,540 tryptophan tryptophan they go. I'm on a trip to fan trip. 15 00:01:02,310 --> 00:01:07,440 Dave Jones: HT Rossa stuff called H TP five 16 00:01:08,220 --> 00:01:15,540 Adam Curry: is it Christ? St. st legal math. Yes, exactly. The 17 00:01:15,540 --> 00:01:15,810 route 18 00:01:15,840 --> 00:01:18,090 Dave Jones: the rooster thing was quite interesting. You know? 19 00:01:19,380 --> 00:01:24,180 We were originally going to eat chicken for Thanksgiving. Yes. 20 00:01:24,210 --> 00:01:27,090 Adam Curry: Because you have so many you've killed you horrible 21 00:01:27,390 --> 00:01:28,260 murder. 22 00:01:29,940 --> 00:01:32,220 Dave Jones: I dropped three of them this past week. 23 00:01:32,700 --> 00:01:35,160 Adam Curry: And you even have a term I dropped three of mud 24 00:01:35,160 --> 00:01:39,480 dropped you rooster? Wow. You are a Trad man right there. 25 00:01:40,710 --> 00:01:47,070 Dave Jones: So one of these roosters Well, one of these 26 00:01:47,070 --> 00:01:52,230 roosters I'm convinced I was possessed by a demon. Oh, do you 27 00:01:52,230 --> 00:01:56,100 know when when Jesus cast out the pigs demons out of Legion 28 00:01:56,100 --> 00:01:56,730 into the pendant 29 00:01:56,730 --> 00:01:59,610 Adam Curry: of pigs and they ran over the cliff? Yeah, yes, we 30 00:01:59,610 --> 00:02:02,490 Dave Jones: know that. We know this is possible that demons can 31 00:02:02,490 --> 00:02:05,010 go into animals and I think that that's what happened. 32 00:02:07,980 --> 00:02:11,310 Adam Curry: So where did it come from? Where was it before he got 33 00:02:11,310 --> 00:02:12,210 into the rooster? 34 00:02:13,710 --> 00:02:15,420 Dave Jones: That's a good question. I don't know. But 35 00:02:15,420 --> 00:02:20,370 whoever that guy is, he's feeling a lot better now. I 36 00:02:20,370 --> 00:02:22,950 wonder if I can find what this rooster looks like. It's like 37 00:02:22,950 --> 00:02:27,870 it's got this crazy. Like, the low out of feathers on the top 38 00:02:27,870 --> 00:02:33,000 of his head looks like a pom pom. Okay, so 39 00:02:33,060 --> 00:02:34,650 Adam Curry: they live with this. Wonder 40 00:02:34,650 --> 00:02:39,630 Dave Jones: if I can fund this. Okay, yeah, this this sort of 41 00:02:39,630 --> 00:02:43,200 looks like it. Unless you're gonna send me habia this 42 00:02:46,860 --> 00:02:49,440 Adam Curry: I'm excited I'm very excited to see your rooster show 43 00:02:49,440 --> 00:03:01,680 me your cock show title there we go. Oh, wow, that's an awesome 44 00:03:01,680 --> 00:03:04,620 looking rooster. Wow, that is crazy. 45 00:03:04,770 --> 00:03:07,290 Dave Jones: Here's another look at that guy. This is more 46 00:03:07,290 --> 00:03:08,490 accurate to what 47 00:03:08,520 --> 00:03:11,670 Adam Curry: dozers look those are funky man what a cute kind 48 00:03:11,670 --> 00:03:13,470 of cute dude in a way 49 00:03:13,980 --> 00:03:18,780 Dave Jones: no they're demonic they're no good they're no good. 50 00:03:18,810 --> 00:03:23,310 So this goes where 51 00:03:23,310 --> 00:03:25,170 Adam Curry: do you get these roosters from two people give 52 00:03:25,170 --> 00:03:27,570 them to you go by IMG go to the rooster Mart 53 00:03:28,139 --> 00:03:33,149 Dave Jones: we we get to this we've got every year the school 54 00:03:33,149 --> 00:03:38,729 that my wife used to teach they raised chickens from eggs and so 55 00:03:38,759 --> 00:03:41,999 the we get like when they're grown at the end of the year we 56 00:03:41,999 --> 00:03:46,979 get them we get their meat we get we get the chicks oh and we 57 00:03:46,979 --> 00:03:50,429 just finished raising them here. Yeah, we paste post this into 58 00:03:50,429 --> 00:03:56,009 the chat room so if I say is it to this so this rooster like 59 00:03:56,009 --> 00:03:59,459 crazy looking thing it can't see you see you know from the 60 00:03:59,459 --> 00:04:04,589 picture you see that? Yeah, yeah, so it can't see so it runs 61 00:04:04,949 --> 00:04:10,679 around like a maniac and it's it's got his chin lifted up so 62 00:04:10,679 --> 00:04:14,789 that it can so that he can see up from underneath his feathers. 63 00:04:15,089 --> 00:04:19,679 So it looks like a psycho all the time like in so I went out 64 00:04:19,679 --> 00:04:19,919 there to 65 00:04:20,519 --> 00:04:22,919 Adam Curry: killing him based upon appearance that that's kind 66 00:04:22,919 --> 00:04:25,379 of racist. It's not right. 67 00:04:25,770 --> 00:04:30,390 Dave Jones: It's chicken racist. Yes. It's we go out there to 68 00:04:30,390 --> 00:04:33,780 kill this thing. It's a maniac and we all hate it. It like 69 00:04:33,780 --> 00:04:34,140 attacks 70 00:04:34,140 --> 00:04:36,480 Adam Curry: your feet. Everyone's like dad go kill that 71 00:04:36,480 --> 00:04:37,020 thing. 72 00:04:37,800 --> 00:04:40,260 Dave Jones: Even my even my 13 year old she's like she's like 73 00:04:40,260 --> 00:04:44,520 God, you gotta kill that thing. So I go out there to kill it. 74 00:04:44,790 --> 00:04:47,340 And I'm like, Okay, I'm gonna kill three we got three. Now 75 00:04:47,340 --> 00:04:49,140 Adam Curry: when you go out there to kill what do they do? 76 00:04:49,140 --> 00:04:52,830 They look they go like, oh, oh, here he comes. Do They Know It? 77 00:04:52,830 --> 00:04:54,990 Do they know you're gonna you're gonna offer you're gonna drop 78 00:04:54,990 --> 00:04:55,260 them. 79 00:04:55,860 --> 00:04:57,810 Dave Jones: They don't. They don't know anything. They're 80 00:04:57,810 --> 00:05:01,530 stupid. And so they they're just like Hey, cool, what are you 81 00:05:01,530 --> 00:05:01,890 doing? 82 00:05:04,649 --> 00:05:06,329 Adam Curry: Hey, what are you doing with your hand on my neck? 83 00:05:06,329 --> 00:05:07,859 Man? Let's go. That's not cool, bro. 84 00:05:09,059 --> 00:05:10,739 Dave Jones: That's a really large knife you have what are 85 00:05:10,739 --> 00:05:11,669 you going to cut 86 00:05:11,670 --> 00:05:13,440 Adam Curry: his head off? I thought you I thought he just 87 00:05:13,620 --> 00:05:15,120 turned his neck just snapped. 88 00:05:15,210 --> 00:05:20,130 Dave Jones: I use this. This is the story. I used to had to use 89 00:05:20,130 --> 00:05:23,430 a different technique this time. So the first time I killed him, 90 00:05:23,460 --> 00:05:29,310 I did the neck break. And it was effective. And it was fine. And 91 00:05:29,520 --> 00:05:32,580 I mean, it's efficient. So I go. And of course, the first one I 92 00:05:32,580 --> 00:05:39,750 grabbed is this guy. And so I grabbed I got him. And you 93 00:05:39,750 --> 00:05:44,790 helped you sort of hold their body under your, like, be kind 94 00:05:44,790 --> 00:05:48,930 of, I guess, like hold them like a basketball under your arm. And 95 00:05:48,930 --> 00:05:52,980 then and then you make a ring with your fingers. Like you're 96 00:05:52,980 --> 00:05:54,720 racist. And then you get 97 00:05:55,500 --> 00:05:57,330 Adam Curry: a white a white nationalist? Is that where you 98 00:05:57,330 --> 00:05:57,540 live? 99 00:05:58,950 --> 00:06:01,560 Dave Jones: Okay, sounded like your wedding. And then you pull 100 00:06:01,830 --> 00:06:05,490 the head forward. And then until it won't go any further, and 101 00:06:05,490 --> 00:06:09,120 then you been the head back and yank as hard as you can forward. 102 00:06:09,120 --> 00:06:12,600 So it's like, it makes it just like a crunch. So I did that. 103 00:06:12,630 --> 00:06:18,660 Oh, God, it was fine. I mean, like it heard the crunch. It 104 00:06:18,660 --> 00:06:22,050 kind of you know, wiggled like they do when they die, and then 105 00:06:22,080 --> 00:06:26,400 hold it up. And its eyes are closed, and it's just completely 106 00:06:26,400 --> 00:06:30,330 limp. I'm like, alright, well, that's pretty easy. And 107 00:06:30,330 --> 00:06:32,160 Adam Curry: then he opened his eyes again and looked at you and 108 00:06:32,160 --> 00:06:33,480 went, bro. 109 00:06:34,529 --> 00:06:35,339 Dave Jones: You shouldn't have 110 00:06:35,880 --> 00:06:37,830 Adam Curry: done that. That's no good. 111 00:06:39,120 --> 00:06:40,560 Dave Jones: I'm like, okay, sorry. I'm 112 00:06:40,560 --> 00:06:45,150 Adam Curry: trying. I'm trying to find a sound effect. Not 113 00:06:45,150 --> 00:06:46,950 quite, not quite working on it. 114 00:06:48,120 --> 00:06:51,000 Dave Jones: So I'm going to Skull this chicken to make the 115 00:06:51,000 --> 00:06:54,270 feathers come off easier. You like dunk it in hot water. And 116 00:06:54,270 --> 00:06:58,320 that makes the feathers just kind of release, you know? Go 117 00:06:58,320 --> 00:07:00,840 and I'm like, Okay, I'm just I'm good. I'm good. I'm like, good 118 00:07:00,870 --> 00:07:05,550 time. So I I lay him down on our deck in a turn to go into the 119 00:07:05,550 --> 00:07:11,100 house. And it starts kind of flopping a little bit. Post 120 00:07:11,100 --> 00:07:14,250 death, you know? Yeah, sure. Up. Yes. And I'm like, Okay, well, 121 00:07:14,250 --> 00:07:17,220 that's normal. I mean, they do that. And then, but I keep 122 00:07:17,220 --> 00:07:20,760 looking at it. This thing all of a sudden, pops up on both feet 123 00:07:20,760 --> 00:07:22,020 and takes off back into the yard. 124 00:07:22,110 --> 00:07:25,230 Adam Curry: Oh, man, that must have been so freaky. This thing 125 00:07:25,230 --> 00:07:25,950 was dead 126 00:07:25,950 --> 00:07:29,040 Dave Jones: dude. It was totally dead. And it came back to life 127 00:07:29,670 --> 00:07:35,640 and then took off into the yard. And so then that's been the next 128 00:07:35,820 --> 00:07:38,760 20 minutes trying to catch this thing and it finally goes up 129 00:07:38,760 --> 00:07:42,720 under our deck. And our deck is only like, eight inches off the 130 00:07:42,720 --> 00:07:45,720 ground. I can't get it. I can't get any still 131 00:07:45,720 --> 00:07:47,880 Adam Curry: flopping around down there. Oh, yeah. 132 00:07:47,910 --> 00:07:50,610 Dave Jones: I mean, he's, he's like, half dead. Just kind of 133 00:07:50,610 --> 00:07:55,170 like, laying there with his head all weird. And I'm like, Oh my 134 00:07:55,170 --> 00:07:56,520 gosh, he's gonna die. This is 135 00:07:56,520 --> 00:08:00,840 Adam Curry: just gonna know this. We've lost all audiences 136 00:08:00,840 --> 00:08:03,510 at this point. Everyone's like, this is disgusting. I can't 137 00:08:03,510 --> 00:08:06,870 believe these guys are horrible. I can't advertise on this 138 00:08:06,870 --> 00:08:07,770 podcast. 139 00:08:08,340 --> 00:08:12,630 Dave Jones: No, you can't we're not brand safe. Or suitable. So 140 00:08:12,630 --> 00:08:16,740 get but get this. This is a fun story though. Because I'm like, 141 00:08:16,740 --> 00:08:21,960 Okay, fine. I'll come back to this to this thing later. And 142 00:08:21,990 --> 00:08:25,230 he'll probably be dead in a little while anyway. So I'll do 143 00:08:25,230 --> 00:08:29,340 the other two. So I spend the next hour and a half trying to 144 00:08:29,340 --> 00:08:34,320 catch the stupid roosters and I cannot do it man. It is like it 145 00:08:34,320 --> 00:08:37,110 is impossible to catch a rooster that does not want to be caught 146 00:08:37,110 --> 00:08:38,250 in a large yard. Especially 147 00:08:38,250 --> 00:08:40,560 Adam Curry: when it's already dead. This is very interesting. 148 00:08:41,250 --> 00:08:42,330 Yes, once 149 00:08:42,330 --> 00:08:45,240 Dave Jones: they die, then they become very hard to catch. But 150 00:08:45,330 --> 00:08:48,570 so I get so I finally I'm like you know what? To me and 151 00:08:48,570 --> 00:08:50,820 Marigold are both out there trying to catch these things. We 152 00:08:50,820 --> 00:08:54,210 can't catch him. I'm like, we can get our dog 153 00:08:54,210 --> 00:08:55,980 Adam Curry: out there. Banjo. Oh, yeah, but he's been he'll 154 00:08:55,980 --> 00:08:57,480 rip it apart once he gets it. 155 00:08:57,840 --> 00:09:03,510 Dave Jones: That's the fun part. Did did not do that. So Oh, but 156 00:09:03,660 --> 00:09:08,130 from us on my my dog has seats about 107 pounds now. Yeah, he's 157 00:09:08,130 --> 00:09:12,510 a great pair knees. So pure knees there. Guard guard dogs 158 00:09:12,510 --> 00:09:17,220 like farm garden? Yes. They don't hurt the animals by their 159 00:09:17,220 --> 00:09:20,580 nature. So he got out there and he's just kind of ignoring them. 160 00:09:20,580 --> 00:09:25,410 That's what he does. And then, but as he sees me chasing these 161 00:09:25,410 --> 00:09:27,360 things, and he's like, oh, 162 00:09:27,840 --> 00:09:28,620 Adam Curry: oh, we're 163 00:09:28,620 --> 00:09:32,790 Dave Jones: supposed to do. Okay. Okay, both. Yeah, exactly. 164 00:09:32,790 --> 00:09:37,140 So then he gets into it. He had these things called in 30 165 00:09:37,140 --> 00:09:37,740 seconds. 166 00:09:37,980 --> 00:09:40,140 Adam Curry: Wow. He's a bird dog. Who knew he's an undercover 167 00:09:40,140 --> 00:09:41,670 bird dog. Yeah. So 168 00:09:41,670 --> 00:09:45,120 Dave Jones: he runs one of them down corners and just steps on 169 00:09:45,120 --> 00:09:48,480 his wing and just holds it and looks at me. I'm like, good boy. 170 00:09:49,170 --> 00:09:51,300 Adam Curry: Good boy. Yeah. So 171 00:09:51,330 --> 00:09:53,880 Dave Jones: So I grabbed them. So I had made the dino the 172 00:09:53,880 --> 00:09:56,790 killing cone. Do you know that? Yes. 173 00:09:57,150 --> 00:10:01,560 Adam Curry: Yes. Well, you just saw Pull it through the cone and 174 00:10:01,560 --> 00:10:03,660 the head goes off and you're good to go. Yes, I've 175 00:10:03,660 --> 00:10:07,020 Dave Jones: seen rice. So I made the cone. I made a cone at a 176 00:10:07,020 --> 00:10:11,370 sheet metal hanging on the tree. You flip them upside down and 177 00:10:11,370 --> 00:10:14,310 drop their head down through the bottom of the cone. And then you 178 00:10:14,310 --> 00:10:18,960 take a super sharp knife you pull the neck in. Yep, yep. And 179 00:10:18,960 --> 00:10:21,570 then the blood drains out. They're dead in like 30 seconds. 180 00:10:21,570 --> 00:10:24,780 Yeah. And it's very humane. It's a great way to do the after 181 00:10:24,780 --> 00:10:26,700 Adam Curry: you chase them around with a broken neck for 182 00:10:26,700 --> 00:10:28,380 half an hour. It's very humane Dave. 183 00:10:28,440 --> 00:10:31,140 Dave Jones: It's beautiful. To learn to learn learning. 184 00:10:32,400 --> 00:10:34,860 Adam Curry: Sounds very rookie to me. I don't know. It doesn't 185 00:10:34,860 --> 00:10:36,210 sound like you're a pro. 186 00:10:36,990 --> 00:10:39,720 Dave Jones: I will admit I will totally admit my rookie status 187 00:10:39,720 --> 00:10:44,460 on this. It's so I ended up with so I banjo catches one. Dispatch 188 00:10:44,460 --> 00:10:49,680 in the cone. Good. Throw them in the in the throw the chicken in 189 00:10:49,680 --> 00:10:55,140 the wheelbarrow. Next one catches it. Cone. Wheelbarrow. 190 00:10:55,470 --> 00:11:00,510 Good to go. Like this. This is like I'm an expert now. Yeah. So 191 00:11:00,510 --> 00:11:04,440 then we get a big ol stick and get this thing out. Get the last 192 00:11:04,440 --> 00:11:08,250 one the psycho when we get him out from under the deck. Banjo 193 00:11:08,250 --> 00:11:14,880 catches him. I take him I stick him in the cone. And give him 194 00:11:14,880 --> 00:11:18,690 about I don't know about a minute he stops stops moving. 195 00:11:18,990 --> 00:11:21,240 And then some neighbors come by and start talking to them for a 196 00:11:21,240 --> 00:11:25,980 while. That's been about 20 minutes I go back to the cone. 197 00:11:26,550 --> 00:11:30,000 Started to pull him out with his legs. And he starts kicking. 198 00:11:30,000 --> 00:11:31,680 He's still alive. Wow. 199 00:11:31,860 --> 00:11:34,380 Adam Curry: Well not live. It's just like his nerves or 200 00:11:34,380 --> 00:11:36,090 whatever. Right? It's just whatever keeps him 201 00:11:36,090 --> 00:11:39,690 Dave Jones: No, no, it is no Adam. It is still alive. Okay, 202 00:11:39,690 --> 00:11:40,620 that that's 203 00:11:40,620 --> 00:11:42,930 Adam Curry: possessed. That's possessed demon when he's 204 00:11:42,930 --> 00:11:44,640 looking at you snipped his head off. 205 00:11:45,210 --> 00:11:48,270 Dave Jones: No, no, the head was still on it bled out from the 206 00:11:48,300 --> 00:11:52,410 front leg. And he's his eyes are like kicking around looking at 207 00:11:52,410 --> 00:11:53,400 me like he's like. 208 00:11:54,330 --> 00:11:56,940 Adam Curry: Alright, now you creeping me out now now. It's 209 00:11:56,940 --> 00:11:57,720 gone too far 210 00:11:57,750 --> 00:12:00,750 Dave Jones: to go full off of the head. You know, like, like, 211 00:12:01,260 --> 00:12:05,040 full full full bore to finally kill this thing. It would not 212 00:12:05,040 --> 00:12:09,780 die. It was it was motivated. Like, you know, you're gonna say 213 00:12:09,780 --> 00:12:13,860 your eyes or window into the soul. Yeah. You can't see this 214 00:12:13,860 --> 00:12:16,170 chicken's eyes. So clearly it has no no 215 00:12:16,170 --> 00:12:20,130 Adam Curry: so clear. Yeah, it's obvious. It was it was animated 216 00:12:20,130 --> 00:12:24,120 Dave Jones: and motivated by spiritual forces. That we don't 217 00:12:24,120 --> 00:12:27,780 understand. That's how creepy it was. It creeped me out so bad 218 00:12:27,780 --> 00:12:33,330 that I didn't even need it. We just used it for for bone broth, 219 00:12:33,690 --> 00:12:37,500 man. Yeah, so you learn something every Thanksgiving. 220 00:12:37,770 --> 00:12:38,250 Like hey 221 00:12:38,250 --> 00:12:41,760 Adam Curry: citizen says my grandparents used to do the five 222 00:12:41,760 --> 00:12:44,280 head technique of dipping the chicken above the fermenting 223 00:12:44,280 --> 00:12:47,550 wine in the oak barrel until it fell asleep. That sounds like a 224 00:12:47,550 --> 00:12:48,210 good idea. 225 00:12:50,100 --> 00:12:54,930 Dave Jones: At first, they made a drunk I guess Yeah, that's a 226 00:12:55,890 --> 00:12:58,380 good thing. The next time we'll be some will 227 00:12:58,740 --> 00:13:01,050 Adam Curry: be smooth, smooth. I think we should use these 228 00:13:01,050 --> 00:13:03,600 pictures though. The one of these this should be our mascot 229 00:13:03,600 --> 00:13:07,140 or logo. I mean, I'm liking this this crazy rooster 230 00:13:08,040 --> 00:13:10,530 Dave Jones: with the with the with the RSS waves coming off? 231 00:13:11,730 --> 00:13:13,140 Adam Curry: Oh, we'll just call it No, we'll make that the 232 00:13:13,140 --> 00:13:16,320 podcast industrial complex mascot. There you go. The 233 00:13:16,320 --> 00:13:22,590 possessed chicken possessed. Happy Thanksgiving. Happy 234 00:13:22,590 --> 00:13:26,310 Thanksgiving brother. So what did you eat? Did you have 235 00:13:26,310 --> 00:13:28,200 chicken? Or did you have turkey? Or what did you have? 236 00:13:29,040 --> 00:13:31,500 Dave Jones: No, we're, we went to my parents house last night 237 00:13:31,500 --> 00:13:33,900 and ate and ate some ham over there. And then we're gonna have 238 00:13:33,930 --> 00:13:36,990 like, I got a heart out at one o'clock today. So my kids are 239 00:13:36,990 --> 00:13:40,710 coming over. We're going Oh, nice. family dinner. We have ham 240 00:13:40,710 --> 00:13:41,970 again. Here. Oh, nice. 241 00:13:42,000 --> 00:13:46,770 Adam Curry: Nice. Yeah. Okay, well, we're what you'll do? 242 00:13:46,890 --> 00:13:50,730 Well, we went to the Yeah, international arms dealer. He 243 00:13:50,760 --> 00:13:56,700 hosted a dinner. It was Yeah, he does a lot of real estate deals 244 00:13:56,700 --> 00:13:59,100 to some real estate people there. It's kind of interesting 245 00:13:59,100 --> 00:14:02,010 to hear a little bit of that. And we played left, right 246 00:14:02,010 --> 00:14:07,800 center. You know, we all have $9 And then you roll three dice, 247 00:14:07,800 --> 00:14:13,260 and then it's either left right center. And so if you or, or 248 00:14:13,260 --> 00:14:17,250 a.if. It's a dot and nothing happens. If it's left you have 249 00:14:17,250 --> 00:14:20,130 to give $1 to the person's left to you if it's right one to the 250 00:14:20,130 --> 00:14:22,290 right. And if it's center, you put one into the pot and you 251 00:14:22,290 --> 00:14:24,930 keep doing this till eventually the pot is full and one person 252 00:14:24,930 --> 00:14:27,330 is left over with money and that person wins the pot. 253 00:14:28,380 --> 00:14:30,840 Dave Jones: It's kind of fun. It's the arms dealer. So you did 254 00:14:30,840 --> 00:14:31,500 it with 100 255 00:14:31,740 --> 00:14:35,190 Adam Curry: So I was of course hundies That's right baby. The 256 00:14:35,190 --> 00:14:37,140 arms dealer the 257 00:14:37,140 --> 00:14:40,020 Dave Jones: party The party favors at this guy's like 258 00:14:40,050 --> 00:14:44,640 uranium depleted 1.6 millimeter I made I made 259 00:14:44,640 --> 00:14:46,770 Adam Curry: the joke of like hey, you know we're gambling 260 00:14:46,770 --> 00:14:50,190 here we got booze we need some guns like okay brings out all 261 00:14:50,190 --> 00:14:52,530 kinds of guns like nah, it's all right, bro. 262 00:14:52,710 --> 00:14:54,360 Dave Jones: decal on the tape playing. 263 00:14:55,170 --> 00:14:57,720 Adam Curry: This one belongs to Jesse James like okay, all 264 00:14:57,720 --> 00:15:02,220 right. Yeah, he had some he had some Cool, cool, cool firearms. 265 00:15:02,730 --> 00:15:06,870 Nice. Ah, I was trying to think, wrote down a whole bunch of 266 00:15:06,870 --> 00:15:09,180 stuff to talk about today. We don't obviously don't have to 267 00:15:09,180 --> 00:15:12,420 talk about it. I'm just glad we're doing a little update for 268 00:15:12,420 --> 00:15:14,370 everybody. Even though it's a different time. I think it's 269 00:15:14,370 --> 00:15:17,790 good that we stay. It's always good. Adam Curry's number one 270 00:15:17,790 --> 00:15:20,850 rule of podcast, people always ask me, what is the number one 271 00:15:20,850 --> 00:15:24,060 rule? So the number one rule is you should always release your 272 00:15:24,060 --> 00:15:28,050 show on the same day at approximately the same time, 273 00:15:28,530 --> 00:15:31,470 which I don't I'm not very good at that myself, to be honest, 274 00:15:32,160 --> 00:15:35,340 particularly with Mr. Graham ball was like a floating thing 275 00:15:35,340 --> 00:15:38,550 in the middle for me. But that is the number one that is the 276 00:15:38,550 --> 00:15:44,040 number one thing because people start to build their life around 277 00:15:44,040 --> 00:15:47,820 your release schedule, whether you realize it or not. Yeah. 278 00:15:48,270 --> 00:15:50,280 Dave Jones: And then we find that out every time we miss a 279 00:15:50,280 --> 00:15:51,690 show. It's like, oh, 280 00:15:51,690 --> 00:15:53,040 Adam Curry: yeah, people are wonder I don't know what to do 281 00:15:53,040 --> 00:15:58,350 with my Friday. I'm like, go out. You go to a bar. We can 282 00:15:58,350 --> 00:16:02,550 think of some things you can do. I actually noticed something. 283 00:16:02,940 --> 00:16:07,920 Just kind of something interesting happening. That that 284 00:16:08,280 --> 00:16:12,780 just hit me today as I was listening to. Who's the guy from 285 00:16:12,780 --> 00:16:17,250 pod? page.com. He was on Brendan Brendan. Yeah, it was nice guy. 286 00:16:17,280 --> 00:16:22,350 I use pod page for a couple of my couple of my shows. And it's, 287 00:16:22,380 --> 00:16:26,370 it's great for someone like Adam me. Like it just I don't have to 288 00:16:26,370 --> 00:16:28,890 think about anything I just publish. And as long as I can 289 00:16:28,890 --> 00:16:31,440 get all the publishing right, which is a challenge by itself, 290 00:16:31,710 --> 00:16:37,560 then it just updates on that page. And it's cool. But he now 291 00:16:37,590 --> 00:16:41,250 okay, Michelle, step back for a second work. So we have to full 292 00:16:41,250 --> 00:16:48,210 blown podcasting 2.0 native a column native hosting companies 293 00:16:48,240 --> 00:16:53,430 are says blue.com and pod home.fm. And then we have legacy 294 00:16:53,430 --> 00:16:58,710 companies in various degrees of I'd hate to call a compliance 295 00:16:58,710 --> 00:17:02,820 but in various in In fact, I was reminded, for some reason, I 296 00:17:03,090 --> 00:17:06,300 thought that Buzzsprout did value blocks. And I was 297 00:17:06,300 --> 00:17:10,980 corrected on that. Like, wow, it just it? I don't know if it just 298 00:17:11,010 --> 00:17:14,520 I thought their support. Yeah, and they can't do splits or 299 00:17:14,520 --> 00:17:17,760 anything like that. So Oh, okay. Yeah, I guess that is true. 300 00:17:18,000 --> 00:17:23,430 rss.com does support the value block? UI? Yeah, in the UI. And 301 00:17:23,430 --> 00:17:27,000 of course, blueberry supports a lot. And I would say of the of 302 00:17:27,000 --> 00:17:31,890 the legacy hosting companies. Blueberry, has probably come 303 00:17:31,890 --> 00:17:36,000 along the furthest. But we've seen this. So yeah, so then we 304 00:17:36,000 --> 00:17:39,810 have the 2.0 native, which I really enjoy, because, you know, 305 00:17:39,990 --> 00:17:42,960 all of a sudden, music hosting is a thing, boom, they've got 306 00:17:42,960 --> 00:17:47,760 music. But blueberry started with the podcast, mirror.com 307 00:17:47,760 --> 00:17:50,940 service, which is really smart. You know, it's kind of a an 308 00:17:50,940 --> 00:17:55,200 interim step that for for stuff that and it has its downsides, 309 00:17:55,200 --> 00:17:59,340 but it's, you know, it's a it's good. I don't know, I'm curious 310 00:17:59,340 --> 00:18:04,140 how successful it is. But it's a good kind of a, I guess, what do 311 00:18:04,140 --> 00:18:06,600 you call that a shim? In a way? Is that kind of a shim? 312 00:18:08,070 --> 00:18:11,280 Dave Jones: Yeah, yeah. But a different way. Yeah. Sort of 313 00:18:11,280 --> 00:18:13,890 like it a different layer in the stack? Yeah. Now, 314 00:18:13,980 --> 00:18:16,800 Adam Curry: just so I understand, when they use the 315 00:18:16,890 --> 00:18:22,020 2.0, what this podcast Mera Kaam, takes your existing fee, 316 00:18:22,020 --> 00:18:25,860 turns it into a 2.0 compliant fee, you can add stuff in there, 317 00:18:25,860 --> 00:18:29,430 including a value block at the channel level, do they then 318 00:18:29,430 --> 00:18:35,550 change automatically your podcast in the index to that 319 00:18:35,550 --> 00:18:40,650 feed, so that the 2.0 apps will get the updated feed without 320 00:18:40,650 --> 00:18:44,220 having to, you know, put redirects and stuff like that? 321 00:18:44,220 --> 00:18:47,370 Or we're in you know, or have two feeds basically, in the 322 00:18:47,370 --> 00:18:50,100 index? Does that make sense? What I'm asking? 323 00:18:50,490 --> 00:18:54,510 Dave Jones: Yeah, I think they do a redirect. Oh, they 324 00:18:54,510 --> 00:18:55,950 Adam Curry: do. That's it? 325 00:18:56,130 --> 00:18:59,550 Dave Jones: I think. So. See, because here, here's what 326 00:18:59,550 --> 00:19:02,550 happens. I'm not sure what to get some clarification from Todd 327 00:19:02,550 --> 00:19:05,490 and Mike. Because what happens with these sorts of services is 328 00:19:05,490 --> 00:19:09,810 that if you let's, let's say that you're on Lipson, and 329 00:19:09,810 --> 00:19:12,600 you're going to switch the pin, you're gonna use podcast mirror, 330 00:19:13,080 --> 00:19:17,790 as your new feed URL, so that you can get 2.0 tags. If you if 331 00:19:17,790 --> 00:19:24,210 you do a 301 on birth, 302 on your Lipson feed, it redirects 332 00:19:24,240 --> 00:19:27,750 okay. Yes, mirror fee, which redirects back to your to your 333 00:19:27,750 --> 00:19:32,730 lips and feet. But you know, like it because the, because the 334 00:19:32,760 --> 00:19:36,510 the podcast mirror feed is trying to get the Lipson feed so 335 00:19:36,510 --> 00:19:40,050 that it can do its so that so that it can pull the content. 336 00:19:40,530 --> 00:19:43,860 But if if podcast mirror is trying to hit the 301, every 337 00:19:43,860 --> 00:19:47,130 time it requests the Lipson feed back, trying to get it back to 338 00:19:47,130 --> 00:19:53,400 itself, it can't ever get the original feed. So you can't do I 339 00:19:53,400 --> 00:19:56,430 don't think you can do a three a one or a 302 on the original 340 00:19:56,430 --> 00:19:59,700 Lipson feed in that scenario because it messes up the mirror 341 00:19:59,700 --> 00:20:00,270 server This 342 00:20:01,829 --> 00:20:03,299 Adam Curry: does that means that you don't want us to have a 343 00:20:03,299 --> 00:20:05,669 loop. But that means that someone has to then have a 344 00:20:05,669 --> 00:20:10,139 duplicate feed in the index one that is their old Lipson, and 345 00:20:10,139 --> 00:20:12,719 then one that is in this example. And then what is their 346 00:20:12,719 --> 00:20:14,399 podcast mirror feed? Correct? 347 00:20:15,809 --> 00:20:18,449 Dave Jones: Well, they don't have to have it, they would end 348 00:20:18,449 --> 00:20:22,739 up initially with a duplicate, but they would that would should 349 00:20:22,739 --> 00:20:27,479 resolve once they change it in sort of like these dashboards, 350 00:20:27,479 --> 00:20:30,089 like their Apple podcast dashboard and stuff like that. 351 00:20:30,480 --> 00:20:33,900 Adam Curry: Right. Right. But but we don't have a dashboard 352 00:20:33,900 --> 00:20:38,670 for the index of them that they will wind up ultimately with 353 00:20:38,670 --> 00:20:42,270 two. So that's a dupe. But it's a dupe with one upgraded feed 354 00:20:42,270 --> 00:20:45,540 and one, quote unquote, deprecated, free feed? 355 00:20:45,990 --> 00:20:46,500 Dave Jones: Yes. 356 00:20:46,560 --> 00:20:50,070 Adam Curry: So should should it be something that we offer to a 357 00:20:50,070 --> 00:20:56,130 service like podcast mirror that they can then talk to the API 358 00:20:56,130 --> 00:20:59,250 and say, Hey, deprecate this one, this is the the mirror one 359 00:20:59,280 --> 00:21:01,230 is that something that we should consider doing? 360 00:21:02,430 --> 00:21:08,670 Dave Jones: This is, this is hard, because, you know, here, 361 00:21:09,750 --> 00:21:17,670 here's the issue, if we had a sort of green field, expectation 362 00:21:17,670 --> 00:21:22,320 for the index was supposed to be like, if we didn't care about 363 00:21:22,320 --> 00:21:27,750 what literally anybody else was doing. We would be, we could 364 00:21:27,750 --> 00:21:31,470 afford to be super aggressive with deduplication. Like, when I 365 00:21:31,470 --> 00:21:35,610 say super aggressive, I mean, automated, like a fiend, you 366 00:21:35,610 --> 00:21:41,730 know. And so then we would take every every redirect, and update 367 00:21:41,730 --> 00:21:47,100 it. Every point, essentially, every pointer from an old feed 368 00:21:47,100 --> 00:21:51,210 to a new feed, we would follow that, that thread and update the 369 00:21:51,210 --> 00:21:58,230 feed URL. But we can't be that aggressive because we also 370 00:21:58,260 --> 00:22:04,410 exists to service and maintain compatibility with apps that do 371 00:22:04,410 --> 00:22:10,320 use Apple as their as their main directory. So we we function as 372 00:22:10,350 --> 00:22:12,900 we function in the role of fallback for things like 373 00:22:12,900 --> 00:22:14,400 overcast, right, 374 00:22:14,400 --> 00:22:17,340 Adam Curry: but but having the 2.0 feeds won't break those 375 00:22:17,340 --> 00:22:17,970 apps. 376 00:22:19,140 --> 00:22:22,260 Dave Jones: No, it won't. But we can't, we can't automatically 377 00:22:22,260 --> 00:22:25,560 follow redirects, because sometimes what happens is the 378 00:22:25,560 --> 00:22:31,290 redirect says go here. And Apple podcasts still doesn't is not 379 00:22:31,320 --> 00:22:35,400 they have not changed it. So Apple podcasts has the old URL, 380 00:22:35,700 --> 00:22:38,880 even though their their URL is even though that URL is a 381 00:22:38,880 --> 00:22:39,420 redirect. 382 00:22:39,750 --> 00:22:42,330 Adam Curry: Okay, so then when the fallback happens, they won't 383 00:22:42,330 --> 00:22:45,570 be able to find what they're looking for the wrong feed. URL. 384 00:22:45,570 --> 00:22:47,760 Here's, here's why I'm bringing this up. Maybe that'll be 385 00:22:47,760 --> 00:22:51,960 easier. I'm seeing as is typical, when when there's a 386 00:22:51,960 --> 00:22:58,680 hunger for something. I'm seeing these me pod fans. Sam, Seth, 387 00:22:58,680 --> 00:23:03,120 he's I'm not quite sure exactly what he's doing. But he is. It 388 00:23:03,120 --> 00:23:06,120 looks like he's building a podcast mirror type service. 389 00:23:06,120 --> 00:23:11,190 He's ingesting feeds. And then he's, he has since his since pod 390 00:23:11,190 --> 00:23:15,930 fans, basically has every tag everything that's ever existed 391 00:23:15,930 --> 00:23:20,250 in the in the universe, is what he's saying to me. And we got a 392 00:23:20,250 --> 00:23:23,790 nice update email from today. What he's saying, if that he 393 00:23:23,790 --> 00:23:27,300 will make that exportable. So you can then so basically, it's 394 00:23:27,300 --> 00:23:33,030 a podcast mirror service. And I just heard forgot his name 395 00:23:33,030 --> 00:23:35,880 again. Brandon, Brendan, Brendan, Brendan and Brandon 396 00:23:35,880 --> 00:23:36,180 Brandon. 397 00:23:36,480 --> 00:23:37,830 Dave Jones: I think it's Brendan Brendan. I 398 00:23:37,830 --> 00:23:41,160 Adam Curry: think it's I just heard Brendan, I think I heard 399 00:23:41,160 --> 00:23:45,690 him say that they are going there. Also, I was considering 400 00:23:45,690 --> 00:23:49,800 or it's a done deal. He also wants to offer podcast mirroring 401 00:23:49,800 --> 00:23:55,440 service, so that you can then add those feeds, and then our ad 402 00:23:55,440 --> 00:23:58,380 add those items, and then output that feed to somewhere else. It 403 00:23:58,380 --> 00:24:05,760 just seems like there's a there's a desire to have 2.0 404 00:24:05,760 --> 00:24:08,550 features that is going much faster than the hosting 405 00:24:08,550 --> 00:24:12,090 companies can or will do. What 406 00:24:12,090 --> 00:24:16,200 Dave Jones: features was he talking about? Specifically? Ah, 407 00:24:16,500 --> 00:24:20,400 Adam Curry: I think it was like, I don't really remember. But 408 00:24:20,580 --> 00:24:23,280 I'll have to go back and listen, but it just I wrote it down. 409 00:24:23,610 --> 00:24:25,620 Because like, Oh, that's interesting, because I'm seeing 410 00:24:25,800 --> 00:24:30,330 we have podcast mirror.com We have pod fans, you know, Sam is 411 00:24:30,660 --> 00:24:34,140 either doing this already or saying he's going to do it. And 412 00:24:34,140 --> 00:24:37,440 then whatever Brendon was doing, it just seems like there's the 413 00:24:37,470 --> 00:24:41,940 people are moving fast and the legacy hosting companies are not 414 00:24:41,940 --> 00:24:47,160 keeping up. Which is okay, but I just want to identify it because 415 00:24:47,160 --> 00:24:50,250 people want this so badly, apparently, whether it's just 416 00:24:50,250 --> 00:24:53,220 the apps or their customers want, I'm not sure. But they're 417 00:24:53,220 --> 00:24:57,600 creating these, which not really, I don't think it works 418 00:24:57,600 --> 00:24:59,940 and it's great, but it's not really the right way to do it. 419 00:25:02,250 --> 00:25:06,210 Dave Jones: Well, this brings up a larger discussion about just 420 00:25:06,210 --> 00:25:15,270 in general, how do we, how do we know which podcasts go with 421 00:25:15,270 --> 00:25:19,560 which URLs like this? You know, this, this is just the problem 422 00:25:19,560 --> 00:25:23,400 within podcasting. And it always has been is like, you have to 423 00:25:23,400 --> 00:25:32,670 sort of independent like identities for what the podcast 424 00:25:32,670 --> 00:25:35,820 is. So when people talk about a podcast, they talk about, you 425 00:25:35,820 --> 00:25:40,050 know, what I want to go do is listen to, I want to get 426 00:25:40,050 --> 00:25:46,080 listened to no agenda. And, but that sort of so so there's this 427 00:25:46,080 --> 00:25:50,010 sort of existence of this thing that's called no agenda, that's 428 00:25:50,010 --> 00:25:54,300 a podcast, but then that that thing has to live somewhere and 429 00:25:54,300 --> 00:25:57,060 they don't know. It's like talking about Twitter versus 430 00:25:57,060 --> 00:26:03,000 twitter.com. Like, or x versus Twitter doc, like, is it you 431 00:26:03,000 --> 00:26:07,320 have x the service? And that's where I want to go? But is it 432 00:26:07,320 --> 00:26:10,650 edx.com? Is it@twitter.com? What like, what, right, so then 433 00:26:10,650 --> 00:26:13,560 there's this always there's been this disconnect forever within 434 00:26:13,560 --> 00:26:18,120 podcasting? You know, the long term solution that we came up 435 00:26:18,120 --> 00:26:23,190 with was the goo was these good references. Where it's a born, 436 00:26:23,280 --> 00:26:26,370 you know, what's the podcast is born it fought these guys follow 437 00:26:26,370 --> 00:26:30,030 it everywhere. But then somebody has to aggregate that somewhere, 438 00:26:30,360 --> 00:26:34,290 and we're doing it. But there's, it's, you know, there's still 439 00:26:34,290 --> 00:26:40,650 this sort of, like gap between, like, how do I take a podcast 440 00:26:40,650 --> 00:26:45,480 and then find out where the podcast feed is? And that's not 441 00:26:45,870 --> 00:26:49,830 as straightforward of an answer as it ought to be. Right? I 442 00:26:49,830 --> 00:26:54,660 mean, app, because because Apple stuff is a mess. We get 443 00:26:54,660 --> 00:26:57,990 criticized for duplicates, and rightly so. I mean, every every 444 00:26:57,990 --> 00:27:02,700 directory has the struggle to some extent. But the I mean, if 445 00:27:02,700 --> 00:27:06,270 you look at Apple stuff, they're they're an absolute mess, too. I 446 00:27:06,270 --> 00:27:11,280 mean, they've got so much just bad data there have feed URLs 447 00:27:11,280 --> 00:27:16,470 that yeah, that that don't exist anymore. And stuff, then 448 00:27:16,530 --> 00:27:21,780 multiple podcast with the same URL. This is just generally 449 00:27:21,780 --> 00:27:25,200 speaking, this is a complex problem. Yeah. Yeah, that has 450 00:27:25,200 --> 00:27:27,720 always existed in the podcasting. And I'm not exactly 451 00:27:27,720 --> 00:27:28,800 sure how to fix it. 452 00:27:29,460 --> 00:27:33,270 Adam Curry: But I guess maybe, maybe what I should be saying is 453 00:27:33,300 --> 00:27:36,360 none of these mirroring things are a good idea. I mean, get a 454 00:27:36,360 --> 00:27:40,650 native host or get your, if you want a certain feature, I mean, 455 00:27:40,650 --> 00:27:43,740 I'm just seeing these apps mature. So now I'm very excited 456 00:27:43,740 --> 00:27:47,190 about what I'm seeing. I don't really do beta apps anymore. I 457 00:27:47,190 --> 00:27:51,690 just I don't have the time for it. I can you get me something 458 00:27:51,690 --> 00:27:54,210 in production, I'd have pretty much all of them. I'll use it. 459 00:27:54,210 --> 00:27:56,100 And I can say, Oh, I found something. I know it'd be better 460 00:27:56,100 --> 00:28:01,200 if I do that in beta. But I'm very excited to see what would 461 00:28:01,200 --> 00:28:05,730 pod versus going to do with music. I saw Oscar that, you 462 00:28:05,730 --> 00:28:09,330 know, he's, he's optimizing. There's all kinds of old code 463 00:28:09,330 --> 00:28:12,690 and stuff. So hopefully, that'll make stuff faster. I see what 464 00:28:12,690 --> 00:28:16,560 Jason is doing with podcast guru. You know, this, there's a 465 00:28:16,560 --> 00:28:18,930 lot, there's a lot of a lot of development, a lot of 466 00:28:18,930 --> 00:28:21,960 streamlining a lot of cleaning up and these apps are getting 467 00:28:21,960 --> 00:28:26,310 better. They really are. They're becoming good as apps. 468 00:28:27,600 --> 00:28:30,030 Dave Jones: I'm gonna disagree a little bit on the idea that you 469 00:28:30,420 --> 00:28:33,840 like not to use the mirror services. I kind of think that 470 00:28:33,840 --> 00:28:41,520 that's a cool idea. Because then it sort of gets an indirection 471 00:28:41,670 --> 00:28:45,660 like you can change hosts 100 times and you never have to 472 00:28:45,660 --> 00:28:49,260 actually update any directories right 473 00:28:49,260 --> 00:28:52,140 Adam Curry: until you know what helped with the dangers until 474 00:28:52,140 --> 00:28:55,470 someone decides Well, I'm done with this mirroring service. I'm 475 00:28:55,470 --> 00:28:57,810 tired of it. I'm pulling the plug. And then you're then 476 00:28:57,810 --> 00:28:59,130 you're really up shits Creek? 477 00:29:00,150 --> 00:29:03,510 Dave Jones: That was Yeah, I guess I would say, to mitigate 478 00:29:03,510 --> 00:29:07,020 against that you choose carefully. Well, she's a company 479 00:29:07,020 --> 00:29:08,580 that's been around a long time like 480 00:29:08,580 --> 00:29:10,170 Adam Curry: Google. I mean, yeah, we all did that with 481 00:29:10,170 --> 00:29:13,230 Google. And we use what was that? What's the service 482 00:29:13,230 --> 00:29:16,290 everyone? Bernard Feedburner. Yeah, they bought Feedburner. 483 00:29:16,680 --> 00:29:20,430 And then they kind of let it die. And they resurrected it a 484 00:29:20,430 --> 00:29:25,680 bit, and it's scary. It's Andrew Horowitz? Who would who wants to 485 00:29:25,680 --> 00:29:29,850 be on 2.0 He can't bring himself to find the time to figure out 486 00:29:29,850 --> 00:29:32,250 how to actually get off of Feedburner. 487 00:29:33,630 --> 00:29:36,150 Dave Jones: So we have that, you know, we bought this domain a 488 00:29:36,150 --> 00:29:42,360 long time ago called move your podcast.com. Really? Yes. Yeah, 489 00:29:42,360 --> 00:29:46,050 we own that. It was just a lark. I just had a had an idea like 490 00:29:46,050 --> 00:29:49,530 maybe one day this would be helpful. And I would love to 491 00:29:49,530 --> 00:29:54,480 have a service that it lives at move your podcast.com where you 492 00:29:54,480 --> 00:29:58,110 can say it's just a self service dashboard where you can say 493 00:29:58,110 --> 00:30:03,600 look, I'm going to move from Lipson to Buzzsprout and here's 494 00:30:03,600 --> 00:30:06,030 my feed your here's my feed at Lipson, here's my feet at 495 00:30:06,030 --> 00:30:11,370 Buzzsprout. And then all this thing does is takes the GUID 496 00:30:12,150 --> 00:30:17,550 produces a produces an update that other directories can 497 00:30:17,580 --> 00:30:21,900 ingest. Once it verifies that the podcast has moved, which 498 00:30:21,900 --> 00:30:24,270 Adam Curry: we do with the email address in your feed. Oh, I'm 499 00:30:24,270 --> 00:30:24,780 sorry. 500 00:30:26,130 --> 00:30:31,950 Dave Jones: No, not anymore. But like just a basic a simple 501 00:30:31,950 --> 00:30:35,910 service that helps everybody makes sense out of the chaos of 502 00:30:35,910 --> 00:30:41,010 moving in. I don't know it's it was just 503 00:30:41,070 --> 00:30:43,590 Adam Curry: sounds like the one race. That's why we still have 504 00:30:43,590 --> 00:30:46,170 the domain name and nothing's happened with it's a great idea 505 00:30:46,200 --> 00:30:51,000 when we can't even get a monitor for our own API setup. Busy. Oh, 506 00:30:51,000 --> 00:30:55,560 we got one. We do. Yeah, you asked and it appeared. 507 00:30:56,100 --> 00:31:01,260 Dave Jones: Yep. That's how it goes. Archie for from the who's 508 00:31:01,260 --> 00:31:05,700 the part time sysadmin for pod verse and Mitch his crew. Oh, 509 00:31:05,700 --> 00:31:09,570 really? Oh, that's cool. Oh, he had an he had some monitoring 510 00:31:09,570 --> 00:31:13,500 setup. Using uptime Kuma that? 511 00:31:13,620 --> 00:31:16,560 Adam Curry: Oh, right. Right. Right. That's the I Am I think I 512 00:31:16,560 --> 00:31:19,350 might start nine even I have that thing. I've never used it. 513 00:31:19,380 --> 00:31:23,460 Dave Jones: Yeah, okay. Yeah, he had a system set up for pod 514 00:31:23,460 --> 00:31:26,970 verse. And he's like, Hey, you want me add a couple API calls 515 00:31:26,970 --> 00:31:30,180 to this just to check yours? stuff at same time? Are they 516 00:31:30,180 --> 00:31:33,030 Yeah, sure. So he added it in there and then set it up to 517 00:31:33,030 --> 00:31:37,350 email alert. If something goes down. It's we're good to go. Oh, 518 00:31:37,350 --> 00:31:41,820 Adam Curry: excellent. Okay, I take it back. I guess, maybe 519 00:31:41,820 --> 00:31:46,620 we're where we should be going. As you know, there was a sam se 520 00:31:46,620 --> 00:31:52,500 suggested a badge, a badge, a 2.0 badge, and which, of course, 521 00:31:52,530 --> 00:31:55,200 always devolves into the well that can't say certified because 522 00:31:55,200 --> 00:31:59,040 there's no such thing, and bla bla bla bla bla, I would like to 523 00:31:59,340 --> 00:32:05,640 recommend to, to the apps, you know, you got to learn how to do 524 00:32:05,640 --> 00:32:08,280 a little bit of marketing, you know, making an app is one 525 00:32:08,280 --> 00:32:12,690 thing. Your number one marketer is the podcast hosts podcasters 526 00:32:12,690 --> 00:32:16,710 podcasters market your stuff, I am very careful to always 527 00:32:16,950 --> 00:32:23,130 promote podcast apps.com I often recommend a podcast app or no 528 00:32:23,130 --> 00:32:27,510 agenda. I know it works, because Mitch is seeing the seeing the 529 00:32:27,990 --> 00:32:33,270 the increase. I've been doing it recently with a podcast guru 530 00:32:33,270 --> 00:32:37,680 just kind of rotating thing. But a podcast app guys, you know, 531 00:32:37,680 --> 00:32:40,770 reach out to a podcaster. And, you know, consider having a 532 00:32:40,770 --> 00:32:44,400 featured tab or something where, you know, it's it doesn't have 533 00:32:44,400 --> 00:32:49,530 to be a democracy, you're allowed to do commerce. You 534 00:32:49,530 --> 00:32:53,730 know, I think you're I even told an artist, I said, Hey, you 535 00:32:53,730 --> 00:32:56,700 know, if these apps are now starting to do music, why don't 536 00:32:56,700 --> 00:32:59,610 you talk to some of these apps? And say, Can I get a a featured 537 00:32:59,610 --> 00:33:04,050 position somewhere? And and what kind of value would you like for 538 00:33:04,050 --> 00:33:08,310 that and exchange, maybe, maybe a piece of of a value block. I 539 00:33:08,310 --> 00:33:15,060 mean, it's, there's this kind of even Steven Honest Abe type vibe 540 00:33:15,060 --> 00:33:18,480 that that has existed in podcasting, which, of course, 541 00:33:18,720 --> 00:33:21,360 you know, the big guys don't do that don't give a crap. You 542 00:33:21,360 --> 00:33:24,810 know, Spotify will G will highlight their own stuff. It's 543 00:33:24,810 --> 00:33:28,560 time to start thinking that way. You know, it's like, Hey, if 544 00:33:28,560 --> 00:33:30,960 you're going to, if you're going to feature this podcast, have 545 00:33:30,960 --> 00:33:36,030 that podcast, talk about your app. That's the way that is the 546 00:33:36,030 --> 00:33:39,660 most powerful way to get people to use new apps, not I don't 547 00:33:39,660 --> 00:33:42,240 think badges on websites have that much of an impact. There's 548 00:33:42,240 --> 00:33:45,660 already a lot of stuff going on a lot of flashy, colori stuff. 549 00:33:46,110 --> 00:33:49,230 But when you're listening to a podcast, and that host says, 550 00:33:49,230 --> 00:33:52,620 Hey, could you please use a modern podcast app? And here's 551 00:33:52,620 --> 00:33:57,510 why. And the number one reason I give is, well, I always say I 552 00:33:57,510 --> 00:34:00,570 always say in conjunction with you can you get an alert when we 553 00:34:00,570 --> 00:34:06,000 go live, and the app will update within 90 seconds, give me 554 00:34:06,000 --> 00:34:09,720 publishing. So instead of waiting on Apple or Spotify and 555 00:34:09,720 --> 00:34:12,690 waiting an hour and a half or whatever, maybe doesn't update 556 00:34:12,690 --> 00:34:16,110 for a day things happen, you'll get an immediate notification, 557 00:34:16,470 --> 00:34:19,170 that kind of stuff. And then I'll say, you know, hey, these, 558 00:34:19,440 --> 00:34:22,050 because we always have new album art and said, If you want to see 559 00:34:22,050 --> 00:34:24,240 all of them, just get a modern podcast app, look at the 560 00:34:24,240 --> 00:34:26,970 chapters and you'll see it flipping by while you're driving 561 00:34:26,970 --> 00:34:31,590 in the car distracting you continuously. These are great 562 00:34:31,590 --> 00:34:35,460 ways to get your, your your app promoted and to promote 2.0. 563 00:34:36,929 --> 00:34:40,259 Dave Jones: So this is a pretty interesting discussion, because 564 00:34:40,259 --> 00:34:45,509 if you think about what an app would need in order in order to 565 00:34:45,509 --> 00:34:53,759 sort of jump on the scene, I guess. The the things that come 566 00:34:53,759 --> 00:34:57,599 to mind are live. Yep, pod paying. 567 00:34:59,159 --> 00:35:02,129 Adam Curry: Which we just call 92nd update, I mean, pod no one 568 00:35:02,159 --> 00:35:05,189 understand the term pod ping. But yeah, quick update, right? 569 00:35:06,180 --> 00:35:08,730 Dave Jones: Like, if you jump on board with those two things 570 00:35:08,760 --> 00:35:09,270 without added 571 00:35:09,269 --> 00:35:12,119 Adam Curry: value for value, I mean, that's it. Another big 572 00:35:12,119 --> 00:35:12,479 one. 573 00:35:13,230 --> 00:35:16,470 Dave Jones: Favorite yo, there's like a few of these little 574 00:35:16,470 --> 00:35:19,350 things. And I think I think it kind of starts with a live 575 00:35:19,350 --> 00:35:22,740 honestly. Because if you think about the people who would the 576 00:35:22,740 --> 00:35:27,060 podcasters, that would do live, they're usually really hardcore 577 00:35:27,120 --> 00:35:32,160 and willing, they're hardcore to technical. And they're willing 578 00:35:32,160 --> 00:35:37,170 to what they want is for people to listen to them live, if you 579 00:35:37,170 --> 00:35:40,950 have a live podcaster. Okay, that's what I'm trying to think 580 00:35:40,950 --> 00:35:43,980 of. So you're looking for a synergy between what you want as 581 00:35:43,980 --> 00:35:48,450 an app developer and what the podcast or wants as a podcaster. 582 00:35:49,320 --> 00:35:54,300 And if you can find where the synergy is, like live is a 583 00:35:54,300 --> 00:35:58,170 perfect example. But as a podcaster, who does a live 584 00:35:58,170 --> 00:36:03,330 stream. They really want people to listen to them live, it's, 585 00:36:03,780 --> 00:36:07,860 it's important. I want it, we do this live show. And I want lots 586 00:36:07,860 --> 00:36:11,220 of people listening because it really, it gives a lot of energy 587 00:36:11,220 --> 00:36:13,320 to the show and makes you gives you a lot of feedback. 588 00:36:14,010 --> 00:36:17,460 Adam Curry: But it's still limited number of pod. I agree 589 00:36:17,460 --> 00:36:20,820 with you. I just I'm just saying much. From a much broader 590 00:36:20,820 --> 00:36:25,080 perspective. Any podcast can talk about some of the other 591 00:36:25,080 --> 00:36:29,100 features some of the other benefits of using a 2.0 app. And 592 00:36:30,239 --> 00:36:33,299 Dave Jones: Oscar with fountain he found his effect, he 593 00:36:33,300 --> 00:36:36,330 Adam Curry: totally found it. Yep, exactly. He found he found 594 00:36:36,330 --> 00:36:41,070 his his energy. Initially, that's what we see the thing is, 595 00:36:41,220 --> 00:36:46,260 pod verse started initially, I think, because it was the wasn't 596 00:36:46,260 --> 00:36:50,640 that Eclipse was not what, what what Mitch wanted initially was, 597 00:36:50,670 --> 00:36:54,360 you know, he wanted an app that did better clipping. Yes, not 598 00:36:54,360 --> 00:36:59,760 mistaken. So that's great. But you need to get the podcasters 599 00:36:59,760 --> 00:37:03,180 talking about your app. That's, that's the thing. That's how we 600 00:37:03,180 --> 00:37:07,320 move this forward. podcasters have to be telling their 601 00:37:07,320 --> 00:37:12,000 audiences tried to and we're at a point now, where there's 602 00:37:12,000 --> 00:37:16,710 enough robustness in these apps that people aren't disappointed, 603 00:37:16,980 --> 00:37:18,870 because the in the beginning it was definitely like, well, you 604 00:37:18,870 --> 00:37:23,490 know, I miss my my time three times. Speed I miss you know, 605 00:37:23,490 --> 00:37:26,700 this, I missed that. There's still people who miss, you know, 606 00:37:26,700 --> 00:37:29,160 certain or they won't leave an app, you some people won't even 607 00:37:29,160 --> 00:37:32,550 app because it does your volume boost, you know, stuff like 608 00:37:32,550 --> 00:37:35,760 that. It's very timers, name timers, yes, stuff like that. 609 00:37:35,760 --> 00:37:38,340 It's really important. Now, they're usually the most vocal, 610 00:37:38,340 --> 00:37:41,400 I don't think they're, you know, that all people think that way. 611 00:37:41,430 --> 00:37:44,190 Most people are just like, I'm fine with my Apple app, it 612 00:37:44,220 --> 00:37:48,900 works. So then find those, find those things that your app is 613 00:37:48,900 --> 00:37:53,340 particularly good at. And so pod verse works great with, with 614 00:37:53,370 --> 00:37:56,700 alerts, and, and it's updated very quickly through the pod 615 00:37:56,700 --> 00:38:00,480 ping mechanism. But then reach out to podcast hosts reach out 616 00:38:00,480 --> 00:38:04,410 to the podcasters and say, hey, I'll give you a feature. If you 617 00:38:04,410 --> 00:38:07,260 mentioned my app. I mean, this is the kind of stuff we need to 618 00:38:07,260 --> 00:38:08,130 be thinking about. 619 00:38:08,969 --> 00:38:12,329 Dave Jones: Yet build to if you're when you're a developer 620 00:38:12,359 --> 00:38:18,749 build to a build to what somebody wants. Find out what 621 00:38:18,779 --> 00:38:24,209 your what if your podcast app, find out what find a set of 622 00:38:24,239 --> 00:38:30,839 podcasts podcasters that want a certain thing, build your app 623 00:38:31,079 --> 00:38:36,599 feature to the thing that they are wanting. And then you have a 624 00:38:36,599 --> 00:38:42,389 built in advertiser you have built in advertising. Yeah. Is 625 00:38:42,389 --> 00:38:46,529 the same way with pod with podcasts. And I think it's 626 00:38:46,529 --> 00:38:50,399 easier to do that than it is to do it with podcast listeners. 627 00:38:50,789 --> 00:38:53,789 Because most because of the like you said the most the podcast 628 00:38:53,789 --> 00:38:56,669 listeners, the ones that are really vocal about certain 629 00:38:56,669 --> 00:39:01,439 features. They're usually not representative of the masses. 630 00:39:02,099 --> 00:39:03,359 Their peers will 631 00:39:03,359 --> 00:39:07,169 Adam Curry: people will go to the end of the earth to do 632 00:39:07,169 --> 00:39:10,139 something their pot their favorite podcast, or ask them to 633 00:39:10,139 --> 00:39:13,439 do they buy stupid products they don't even need because the 634 00:39:13,439 --> 00:39:18,839 podcaster says, hey, buy this product. Here's my code. So when 635 00:39:18,839 --> 00:39:22,799 someone says try out this app, I really like it. And I like it 636 00:39:22,799 --> 00:39:25,589 because hey, I'm featured even if it's just that I'm featured 637 00:39:25,589 --> 00:39:31,589 this month, tell a friend etc. The podcast the podcaster has 638 00:39:31,589 --> 00:39:35,099 the power and apps have always tried to go to the listener. 639 00:39:36,209 --> 00:39:38,459 Yeah, I was like well, those are my users. Yeah, they're either 640 00:39:38,459 --> 00:39:41,549 you use they're your users, but they're really only complainers. 641 00:39:42,329 --> 00:39:47,219 the only the only gonna tell you it sucks. That's that's the main 642 00:39:47,249 --> 00:39:53,309 reason you get but asking the podcasters themselves and do a 643 00:39:53,309 --> 00:39:57,209 business deal. You know, it can be it doesn't know money has to 644 00:39:57,209 --> 00:40:01,349 change hands, but it can be a great way A to give the 645 00:40:01,349 --> 00:40:05,579 podcaster a benefit of being featured, or whatever, whatever 646 00:40:05,579 --> 00:40:06,089 it is. 647 00:40:07,949 --> 00:40:12,059 Dave Jones: Yeah, I think that's a, I think that's a great point 648 00:40:12,059 --> 00:40:18,779 because you just have to find you have to find some. I don't 649 00:40:18,779 --> 00:40:22,289 know. You have to you have to put a rock in somebody's shoe. 650 00:40:22,589 --> 00:40:28,649 Yes, yes, no. And the way you do that is, is you find your you 651 00:40:28,649 --> 00:40:33,929 find your gap, you find that gap, and you meet a need. And 652 00:40:33,929 --> 00:40:37,559 then, and also, when you're meeting a need, that's been this 653 00:40:37,559 --> 00:40:41,999 clear. And then sort of that you can see, it's easier to build, 654 00:40:42,029 --> 00:40:45,509 build a feature. If you just build a feature, sort of like in 655 00:40:45,509 --> 00:40:51,719 a, in a clean room for where you don't have an actual live real 656 00:40:51,719 --> 00:40:54,389 world example of the thing you're trying to solve. 657 00:40:55,469 --> 00:41:00,119 Sometimes it gets muddy, and you're not actually solving it 658 00:41:00,119 --> 00:41:05,429 in the way that you don't have enough feedback. You just don't 659 00:41:05,489 --> 00:41:08,039 have enough feedback from the from the people you're trying to 660 00:41:08,039 --> 00:41:10,619 solve the problem for because they're not there's not any. 661 00:41:11,129 --> 00:41:13,979 Yeah, exactly. You're just writing to a spec. You're not 662 00:41:13,979 --> 00:41:15,779 actually writing to solve a problem. Yes. 663 00:41:16,200 --> 00:41:20,310 Adam Curry: It was like this. This Ainsley Costello just loud 664 00:41:20,310 --> 00:41:22,710 concert in Minneapolis that's coming up that's going to be 665 00:41:22,710 --> 00:41:27,840 lit, which is very much which will be built on the work that I 666 00:41:27,840 --> 00:41:32,340 think certainly Mitch did for the pod con Mexico. They're 667 00:41:32,340 --> 00:41:35,160 going to do it lit. Looks like that's going to happen. And 668 00:41:35,190 --> 00:41:38,100 everyone now oh, wait a minute. So that's actually podcasting. 669 00:41:38,100 --> 00:41:40,710 2.0 that's sending those Satoshis Oh, okay. Yeah, we 670 00:41:40,710 --> 00:41:43,740 should probably talk to those guys. So finally, Dobby Dawson, 671 00:41:43,740 --> 00:41:48,030 I think is doing the RSS feed. And I'm not sure it looks like 672 00:41:48,030 --> 00:41:53,280 it's all gonna gonna work out. And so that'll be a lit live 673 00:41:53,280 --> 00:41:57,660 show with streaming value for value. Believe me, you what you 674 00:41:57,660 --> 00:42:01,290 want is you want Ainsley Costello out there promoting the 675 00:42:01,290 --> 00:42:06,810 apps that will work. Yes. And so reach out. It's it's not hard to 676 00:42:06,810 --> 00:42:10,410 find her manager. That's not hard to find. And get in touch 677 00:42:10,410 --> 00:42:13,800 with Julie and say, Hey, we're going to be featuring this. 678 00:42:13,950 --> 00:42:18,720 We're going to be showing it live. Please have Ainsley and 679 00:42:18,720 --> 00:42:22,140 they also need to do their work and not be just like, oh, yeah, 680 00:42:22,140 --> 00:42:25,440 it's gonna be a screaming No, the here's the podcast apps that 681 00:42:25,440 --> 00:42:28,800 is going to is guaranteed going to work on because those apps 682 00:42:28,800 --> 00:42:30,390 are dedicated to making it work. 683 00:42:31,469 --> 00:42:36,479 Dave Jones: Yeah, you can see the the apps and the hosting 684 00:42:36,479 --> 00:42:40,259 companies that have a sort of a real purpose that they're trying 685 00:42:40,259 --> 00:42:45,479 to solve, because they have they have a real clear path forward 686 00:42:45,479 --> 00:42:48,749 in front of them. Yes, they do identify a thing, and then they 687 00:42:48,779 --> 00:42:52,229 then they write, they, they identify a thing, then they 688 00:42:52,229 --> 00:42:53,939 build something that solves that problem. 689 00:42:53,969 --> 00:42:57,089 Adam Curry: Yes. And I'm excited. I'm excited to see even 690 00:42:57,089 --> 00:43:01,319 with these with these native 2.0 and I'm gonna add blueberry in 691 00:43:01,319 --> 00:43:05,189 there with the native 2.0 hosting companies. You know, 692 00:43:05,219 --> 00:43:08,219 they get it they're built, they're building something new 693 00:43:08,219 --> 00:43:12,389 and this is where the the artists are going to go. And, 694 00:43:12,629 --> 00:43:15,899 and I'm telling you, wave Lake has got to fix their booster 695 00:43:15,899 --> 00:43:21,869 gram stuff. Because people it may be easy, but people hear 696 00:43:21,869 --> 00:43:24,509 about stuff and like wow, how come I'm not seeing booster 697 00:43:24,509 --> 00:43:27,059 grams? How come I can't do this? How come I can't do that. 698 00:43:27,690 --> 00:43:29,880 Dave Jones: So when you say fix the bridge grim stuff, you're I 699 00:43:29,880 --> 00:43:32,970 think you're talking about the fact that the wave like artists 700 00:43:33,000 --> 00:43:34,470 can't see their messages. 701 00:43:34,500 --> 00:43:37,500 Adam Curry: Well, interestingly enough, I found out that if you 702 00:43:37,500 --> 00:43:42,810 go to the artists page, you will see booster grams coming through 703 00:43:42,810 --> 00:43:48,660 as comments identified as key send zero sets. So the boosted 704 00:43:48,660 --> 00:43:52,890 gram comes through. Oh, yeah. Yeah, that mean? Well, that 705 00:43:52,890 --> 00:43:55,710 means is that means that they're showing the booster gram as a 706 00:43:55,710 --> 00:43:59,460 comment so that they've made the connection. And so it's a it's a 707 00:43:59,460 --> 00:44:03,480 public comment, which is great. But then it shows zero SATs and 708 00:44:03,480 --> 00:44:07,110 literally says zero SATs. And it says from ki Sen, where it could 709 00:44:07,110 --> 00:44:12,180 say, this is the podcast and I'm not going to accuse anything but 710 00:44:12,450 --> 00:44:16,410 being it looks like obfuscation, say why don't you just add the 711 00:44:16,410 --> 00:44:19,770 field that came from this podcast link or this episode 712 00:44:19,770 --> 00:44:24,660 link? And here's the number of sets. But it doesn't seem like 713 00:44:24,660 --> 00:44:27,420 that's a lot of extra work if you're already bringing through 714 00:44:27,420 --> 00:44:28,290 the booster gram. 715 00:44:29,520 --> 00:44:33,690 Dave Jones: So it's odd to me that it wouldn't show the total 716 00:44:33,690 --> 00:44:35,340 that came like 717 00:44:35,369 --> 00:44:38,819 Adam Curry: because they've chosen not to. I think that 718 00:44:38,819 --> 00:44:42,869 that's that seems like a choice. And it looks dumb 719 00:44:42,929 --> 00:44:44,639 Dave Jones: or a bug or not 720 00:44:44,639 --> 00:44:46,829 Adam Curry: because the okay could be a bug. But you're 721 00:44:46,829 --> 00:44:50,309 already pointing in there. From Keith and you're already taking 722 00:44:50,309 --> 00:44:55,529 the the booster Graham TLV. Why not just put in there it came. I 723 00:44:55,529 --> 00:45:00,509 mean, are we so horrified to say that it comes from a podcast is 724 00:45:00,569 --> 00:45:05,909 or is it just no time, I don't understand it. And that's half 725 00:45:05,909 --> 00:45:09,629 the fun, half the. So now I'm on booster Grand Ball saying, 726 00:45:09,839 --> 00:45:14,219 Please, in your message, put the amount of Satoshis you sent and 727 00:45:14,399 --> 00:45:17,279 tell him where you were where this was from that this was from 728 00:45:17,279 --> 00:45:21,029 booster gram ball episode 15. I shouldn't have to do that 729 00:45:22,650 --> 00:45:27,240 Dave Jones: as odd if Michael or Sam, let, shoot, if you don't 730 00:45:27,240 --> 00:45:30,060 mind, shoot me a message tell me what that's about. Because if 731 00:45:30,060 --> 00:45:35,040 there's something because I can think you could say that, well, 732 00:45:35,070 --> 00:45:38,970 I don't trust the SAT total that's in the TLV because that's 733 00:45:39,810 --> 00:45:43,380 our because that can be manipulated. But then the 734 00:45:43,380 --> 00:45:48,420 invoice itself should be settled. And that is not, that's 735 00:45:48,420 --> 00:45:50,100 not manipulatable 736 00:45:51,270 --> 00:45:54,270 Adam Curry: another another big thing is the actual on this. 737 00:45:54,300 --> 00:45:59,160 This is very clear even value for value dot info. A big part 738 00:45:59,190 --> 00:46:03,600 of value for value is the numerology of it. So when 739 00:46:03,600 --> 00:46:11,070 sending you 333 777-719-4869 69 I mean it can go on and on. It's 740 00:46:11,070 --> 00:46:15,420 a big part of the fun is, is you're robbing people of joy 741 00:46:19,800 --> 00:46:23,070 killing their roosters, I can understand that they don't want 742 00:46:23,070 --> 00:46:26,550 to confuse people because they take their 10% but I mean, how 743 00:46:26,550 --> 00:46:30,330 confusing is it? It's like okay, I see what caveman I just have 744 00:46:30,330 --> 00:46:33,270 to subtract 10% in my head. That's fine. I don't think 745 00:46:33,270 --> 00:46:37,020 people be mad about that. But you know when I when I hear 746 00:46:37,320 --> 00:46:42,030 that, Michael the guy from First Avenue Avenue one First Avenue, 747 00:46:42,030 --> 00:46:48,180 I think the venue in in Minneapolis. You know, he was 748 00:46:48,180 --> 00:46:53,040 used at noster Asia Nastasya saying, yeah, now I'm working 749 00:46:53,040 --> 00:46:55,110 with Adam curry. And those guys, we're gonna get the live stream 750 00:46:55,110 --> 00:46:57,690 up. And then I see the using zap streams with has which has 751 00:46:57,690 --> 00:47:01,830 nothing to do with what we're talking about. And I see big 752 00:47:01,830 --> 00:47:07,320 shows getting, you know, 200 SATs, streaming with two people 753 00:47:07,320 --> 00:47:10,770 watching and like not well knew maybe you want to, and he just 754 00:47:10,770 --> 00:47:14,040 didn't know. People don't know what they don't know. They don't 755 00:47:14,040 --> 00:47:17,520 know. And when and when they're on when we're onboarding people 756 00:47:17,520 --> 00:47:20,760 that don't know that hey, there's this is how the system 757 00:47:20,760 --> 00:47:25,200 is working. Which should be everybody should be happy about 758 00:47:25,200 --> 00:47:27,300 it. Just feels weird. 759 00:47:29,280 --> 00:47:34,320 Dave Jones: It, it feels weird. to It feels weird to show zero. 760 00:47:35,100 --> 00:47:38,340 To show zero like yeah, just don't show it at all. I mean, 761 00:47:38,340 --> 00:47:39,960 just say that. It's a comment, like 762 00:47:43,560 --> 00:47:46,890 Adam Curry: I don't know. It's weird. It's weird. Let me see if 763 00:47:46,890 --> 00:47:50,250 I can get so Joe Martin. Thank you. And I know Joe Martin, who? 764 00:47:51,150 --> 00:47:54,690 People just don't know, he did this hour long interview and 765 00:47:54,930 --> 00:47:59,190 podcasting wasn't mentioned once. And I think that he's the 766 00:47:59,220 --> 00:48:02,580 he's the first song we played and sent him hundreds of 1000s 767 00:48:02,580 --> 00:48:07,620 of SATs or I should say Dred Scott did. And like, does he 768 00:48:07,620 --> 00:48:09,360 just not know where it's coming from? 769 00:48:11,760 --> 00:48:14,010 Dave Jones: I don't know. I'm 770 00:48:14,160 --> 00:48:17,610 Adam Curry: here via Kison pod. This is pod pod fans even worse 771 00:48:17,610 --> 00:48:20,340 pod fans payment doesn't even have a name. 772 00:48:22,050 --> 00:48:25,680 Dave Jones: And now that's not fans payment that's that's is 773 00:48:25,680 --> 00:48:27,690 that a booster game? Or is that just a stream? 774 00:48:27,720 --> 00:48:31,800 Adam Curry: Who knows? Here via key send via key send via it's 775 00:48:31,800 --> 00:48:35,460 like this? No, no. Wow, that that must be a stream somehow. 776 00:48:35,460 --> 00:48:38,850 That's probably Sam sending streams as boosts who knows. 777 00:48:40,980 --> 00:48:43,650 Like very collapsing. It's very cool. Okay, so 778 00:48:43,680 --> 00:48:50,880 Dave Jones: So zaps show via zap. And I guess. Better and I 779 00:48:50,880 --> 00:48:56,250 guess podcast boosts would say via key send. 780 00:48:56,579 --> 00:49:00,209 Adam Curry: Actually looks like they've dropped the zero SATs 781 00:49:00,209 --> 00:49:00,899 thing now. 782 00:49:01,800 --> 00:49:02,490 Dave Jones: Oh, okay. 783 00:49:02,579 --> 00:49:03,839 Adam Curry: I guess they've dropped that. 784 00:49:04,500 --> 00:49:07,980 Dave Jones: Let's see unlucky that via zap via zap via key 785 00:49:07,980 --> 00:49:13,140 send. Okay, so that's the that's just telling you this Tony where 786 00:49:13,140 --> 00:49:15,090 it came from, but it's not showing you the app? 787 00:49:15,540 --> 00:49:18,660 Adam Curry: Or the app or the show or the episode? 788 00:49:19,889 --> 00:49:22,829 Dave Jones: Yeah. So that I mean, that's that's in there. I 789 00:49:22,829 --> 00:49:27,209 would say that. A good thing to do. These guys is for Michael 790 00:49:27,209 --> 00:49:32,549 and Sam is to pull that other to have me show. I don't know. I 791 00:49:32,549 --> 00:49:36,299 don't know how nostrils zapping works. I don't understand. I 792 00:49:36,299 --> 00:49:41,669 guess I think there would be a disconnect. Maybe you can't tell 793 00:49:42,749 --> 00:49:46,469 the originating app. So if you're in Dominus in use app, 794 00:49:46,979 --> 00:49:51,599 this app is actually coming from your like for your wallet or 795 00:49:51,749 --> 00:49:54,179 your wallet like that. Yeah, kicks you over there to actually 796 00:49:54,179 --> 00:49:57,479 do things and maybe maybe you lose that information but at the 797 00:49:57,479 --> 00:49:58,859 TLV and Scott 798 00:49:58,859 --> 00:50:00,869 Adam Curry: so much busy on record. Yeah, we shouldn't take 799 00:50:00,869 --> 00:50:03,239 it if you pull out the booster Graham then you're seeing you're 800 00:50:03,239 --> 00:50:05,189 seeing the key send record. Yeah, 801 00:50:05,190 --> 00:50:06,990 Dave Jones: I would love for that. I would love to see that 802 00:50:06,990 --> 00:50:10,170 things say instead of via keys instead of via pod verse yeah by 803 00:50:10,170 --> 00:50:12,120 podcast fountain. 804 00:50:12,299 --> 00:50:17,639 Adam Curry: How about the podcast? Episode that is from 805 00:50:17,939 --> 00:50:21,539 that mean that would really help. That mean I understand you 806 00:50:21,539 --> 00:50:23,699 would like the app I'd like someone say oh, that's from 807 00:50:23,699 --> 00:50:32,039 booster Rambo. What is that? Oh, what is that thing? is weird. 808 00:50:32,519 --> 00:50:33,059 This weird? 809 00:50:36,000 --> 00:50:39,870 Dave Jones: Is a pirate radio. Just looking through here and 810 00:50:39,870 --> 00:50:40,350 see. Yeah, 811 00:50:40,380 --> 00:50:43,140 Adam Curry: it hasn't looked something strange. Yeah, yeah, 812 00:50:43,140 --> 00:50:46,500 something's changed. I don't know. I don't see the so maybe 813 00:50:46,500 --> 00:50:47,850 they're working on it's possible 814 00:50:48,269 --> 00:50:51,629 Dave Jones: by case and by case of as it's so much. Yeah, the 815 00:50:51,629 --> 00:50:53,369 pod fans payment pod fans payment thought 816 00:50:54,599 --> 00:50:55,529 Adam Curry: was pretty funny. 817 00:50:56,460 --> 00:51:00,210 Dave Jones: That, that that's from 1116. So that's recent. 818 00:51:00,210 --> 00:51:03,120 Yeah. That's fairly recent. So that's got it. I bet you that's 819 00:51:03,120 --> 00:51:05,070 their streaming. Payment? 820 00:51:06,840 --> 00:51:09,690 Adam Curry: I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. 821 00:51:10,020 --> 00:51:10,680 Speaking 822 00:51:10,710 --> 00:51:17,640 Dave Jones: speaking of this sort of native podcasting 2.0 823 00:51:17,880 --> 00:51:25,080 hosting related issues. I've got the first pod roll product. 824 00:51:25,740 --> 00:51:31,080 Ingestion product. Yeah. Ready to Roll? Yes. The if you go to, 825 00:51:31,529 --> 00:51:32,159 Adam Curry: here we go. 826 00:51:34,230 --> 00:51:39,150 Dave Jones: https colon slash slash? Public dot podcast. 827 00:51:39,150 --> 00:51:44,880 index.org. Okay. Slash recommendations dot JSON. Hold 828 00:51:44,910 --> 00:51:47,220 Adam Curry: on a second. Yes. Hold on. 829 00:51:49,650 --> 00:51:51,000 Dave Jones: Holding. Okay, I'm holding 830 00:51:51,030 --> 00:52:00,690 Adam Curry: what public? Public dot podcast index.org/public dod 831 00:52:00,690 --> 00:52:04,920 Dave Jones: podcast index.org/recommendations. 832 00:52:06,030 --> 00:52:07,200 Adam Curry: Recommendations. 833 00:52:08,250 --> 00:52:09,090 Dave Jones: Data JSON. 834 00:52:09,600 --> 00:52:10,620 Adam Curry: dot JSON. 835 00:52:11,069 --> 00:52:12,689 Dave Jones: Okay, Justin. Okay. Yes. 836 00:52:12,720 --> 00:52:15,570 Adam Curry: What do I get? Do I get a big JSON file? Let's see. 837 00:52:16,350 --> 00:52:21,060 It's crunching Oh, the oh, it has popularity score. What is 838 00:52:21,060 --> 00:52:21,810 this? Yes. 839 00:52:25,980 --> 00:52:29,010 Dave Jones: Through the through the, through the mix here 840 00:52:29,070 --> 00:52:32,400 Adam Curry: was quite large. This, this five very large, yes. 841 00:52:33,599 --> 00:52:40,169 Dave Jones: This is a list of all of the shows that have 842 00:52:40,199 --> 00:52:46,109 appeared in a pod roll. So if somebody put their pod roll, if 843 00:52:46,109 --> 00:52:49,829 somebody put a pod roll in their feed, we're aggregating all 844 00:52:49,829 --> 00:52:54,599 that. And then sorting it in descending order by popularity, 845 00:52:54,599 --> 00:52:56,249 which that popularity number 846 00:52:56,580 --> 00:53:00,030 Adam Curry: is number of times that appears in a pod roll. Yes, 847 00:53:00,030 --> 00:53:00,150 the 848 00:53:00,150 --> 00:53:03,240 Dave Jones: number of pod rolls it has appeared in Oh, 849 00:53:03,239 --> 00:53:07,679 Adam Curry: that's a good way to game the system. It is it is so 850 00:53:07,679 --> 00:53:08,249 like that. 851 00:53:09,300 --> 00:53:11,040 Dave Jones: Let me run down the properties here. So you get 852 00:53:11,040 --> 00:53:13,470 popularity, which is what we just described, you have the 853 00:53:13,470 --> 00:53:19,230 feed ID, which is this podcast index feed ID of this feed that 854 00:53:19,230 --> 00:53:25,320 was recommended. You've got the GU ID of the feed, which is 855 00:53:25,320 --> 00:53:31,470 recommended. You've got the title of that feed, the URL, the 856 00:53:31,470 --> 00:53:37,650 feed URL, you've got the artwork or the album or the seed? Did 857 00:53:37,650 --> 00:53:41,760 you have source feed ID in source Feed URL? So that's the 858 00:53:41,760 --> 00:53:45,570 podcast index ID, where it came from that had the pod role in 859 00:53:45,570 --> 00:53:49,860 it. Yeah. And then the source and then the URL of that feed 860 00:53:49,860 --> 00:53:53,670 which was the source of this recommendation. Then you have 861 00:53:53,670 --> 00:53:59,700 recommended host and recommender host so interesting. Recommended 862 00:53:59,700 --> 00:54:08,670 host is the whole the the top level domain or it's not TLD 863 00:54:08,670 --> 00:54:17,100 it's the domain of the hosting platform where this recommended 864 00:54:17,100 --> 00:54:17,490 feed 865 00:54:17,519 --> 00:54:21,269 Adam Curry: lives and then the recommender host is the the host 866 00:54:21,269 --> 00:54:23,579 that has the feed that has the recommendation I would say 867 00:54:23,579 --> 00:54:25,679 popularity is probably a misnomer. 868 00:54:27,480 --> 00:54:29,520 Dave Jones: What was what should that be like hits or something? 869 00:54:30,630 --> 00:54:34,140 Adam Curry: instances I mean it the popularity doesn't mean that 870 00:54:34,140 --> 00:54:37,980 oh, this is a popular show. This means that someone just put this 871 00:54:38,760 --> 00:54:43,260 in lots of pod rolls which clearly made me appearances. 872 00:54:43,260 --> 00:54:47,010 Yeah, cuz I mean I have four feeds, and I could put it in all 873 00:54:47,010 --> 00:54:50,730 of my feeds and then I'd have for right doesn't make it more 874 00:54:50,730 --> 00:54:53,010 popular just makes me a douche. 875 00:54:57,239 --> 00:55:02,759 Dave Jones: hard on yourself. Yep. The reason that I put 876 00:55:03,030 --> 00:55:04,590 Adam Curry: Go ahead, no, no, no, please go ahead. 877 00:55:06,839 --> 00:55:09,629 Dave Jones: The reason that I put recommended host and 878 00:55:09,629 --> 00:55:17,909 recommender host in there is because immediately I see a 879 00:55:17,909 --> 00:55:21,299 bunch of things from this thing called vigilante TV, which I 880 00:55:21,299 --> 00:55:26,489 don't even know what that is. Yes. It sounds like it may be 881 00:55:26,489 --> 00:55:33,299 sketchy. Vigilante something I'm not sure about that. So 882 00:55:33,809 --> 00:55:37,379 interesting immediately, if I put this in here, you can 883 00:55:37,409 --> 00:55:41,519 immediately filter out things that you don't want. So 884 00:55:41,520 --> 00:55:44,370 Adam Curry: yeah, that could Ah, yes, yes. That's a good idea. 885 00:55:44,429 --> 00:55:47,489 Dave Jones: All right. So stuff comes in here from pod rolls 886 00:55:47,489 --> 00:55:53,879 from like, you know, 60 times.fm or something like that. That's 887 00:55:53,939 --> 00:55:58,079 in your in your writing a podcast app for kids? I don't 888 00:55:58,079 --> 00:55:59,789 want that. I don't want don't 889 00:55:59,790 --> 00:56:03,330 Adam Curry: want. That's a great idea. But see, what is visual? 890 00:56:03,360 --> 00:56:07,800 The Dollar Vigilante? Dollar Vigilante, I think is that's 891 00:56:07,830 --> 00:56:09,330 very well known. 892 00:56:09,869 --> 00:56:12,329 Dave Jones: Is it? vich? I had no idea what this 893 00:56:12,329 --> 00:56:14,609 even@vigilante.tv 894 00:56:15,270 --> 00:56:18,240 Adam Curry: Yeah, I'm looking at the art at the feed, 895 00:56:18,599 --> 00:56:25,349 Dave Jones: peer tube instances what it is. Crypto 101, my most 896 00:56:25,349 --> 00:56:28,139 important video. Hey, Ron Paul, 897 00:56:28,409 --> 00:56:30,899 Adam Curry: instead of a popularity count was what 898 00:56:32,609 --> 00:56:35,549 Pfeiffer suggested, which I think is probably better count. 899 00:56:36,059 --> 00:56:36,419 Okay, 900 00:56:36,450 --> 00:56:42,090 Dave Jones: yeah, I can do that. Yeah. So this, this will grow 901 00:56:42,120 --> 00:56:48,210 the we're at like, we're at roughly 500 recommended feeds at 902 00:56:48,210 --> 00:56:49,050 this point in the database. 903 00:56:49,080 --> 00:56:51,030 Adam Curry: Now, is that enough for the cut off? So we don't 904 00:56:51,030 --> 00:56:53,700 remove the tag from the namespace? So I don't know. 905 00:56:57,060 --> 00:57:03,030 Dave Jones: I don't I don't know. This. This is this is a so 906 00:57:03,030 --> 00:57:10,860 that I expect, I expect this to go to morphed over time as we 907 00:57:10,860 --> 00:57:15,030 learn more about the behavior of what is going on in these pod 908 00:57:15,030 --> 00:57:20,550 roles. Right. And, but immediately, you know, I think 909 00:57:21,060 --> 00:57:26,100 people can can use this, this updates every hour. This this 910 00:57:26,130 --> 00:57:28,680 JSON list so people can immediately pin it's not behind 911 00:57:28,680 --> 00:57:31,890 any sort of API. So you can just grab it, just 912 00:57:31,920 --> 00:57:32,640 Adam Curry: pop it out. 913 00:57:33,209 --> 00:57:38,009 Dave Jones: You pull it in, and then you can immediately know 914 00:57:38,609 --> 00:57:41,069 what is being recommended. You can filter it out if you just 915 00:57:41,069 --> 00:57:44,429 don't know she's like, Okay, well, I only want to look, we'll 916 00:57:44,429 --> 00:57:47,849 see scroll down all the way to the bottom. You'll see here. 917 00:57:48,179 --> 00:57:54,959 This is a good a good example. So make it British podcast that 918 00:57:54,959 --> 00:58:01,439 was recommended by some that was recommended by somebody by a 919 00:58:01,439 --> 00:58:06,599 feed hosted on Buzzsprout. And the feed that was recommended 920 00:58:06,599 --> 00:58:11,369 make it British podcast lives on Captivate. Oh, cool. So here's a 921 00:58:11,369 --> 00:58:14,399 good, you know, like you may want you may say, Okay, well, I 922 00:58:14,429 --> 00:58:20,099 you know, I want to, for my, for my slice and dice Top list, I 923 00:58:20,099 --> 00:58:25,439 want to start with, you know, just the subset of well known 924 00:58:25,439 --> 00:58:28,889 hosting companies or something. And then I'll sort of branch out 925 00:58:28,889 --> 00:58:31,049 from there. I think you can slice and dice this a bunch of 926 00:58:31,049 --> 00:58:31,439 ways. 927 00:58:31,980 --> 00:58:34,710 Adam Curry: This is pretty cool. This is actually very cool. And 928 00:58:34,710 --> 00:58:37,440 I look forward to seeing apps implementing this this is this 929 00:58:37,440 --> 00:58:38,100 is nice. 930 00:58:38,909 --> 00:58:42,269 Dave Jones: Yeah. I don't think it's I mean, is it game mobile 931 00:58:42,689 --> 00:58:46,289 to get on this list? Sure. But but then that's not 932 00:58:47,159 --> 00:58:49,679 Adam Curry: well known. But as I said, The only reason I said 933 00:58:49,679 --> 00:58:52,289 that is because I saw popularity and the first thing that popped 934 00:58:52,289 --> 00:58:54,959 in my head was oh, game bubble, but doesn't really matter. 935 00:58:55,049 --> 00:58:58,649 There's nothing to game there's there's no win. Yeah, there's no 936 00:58:58,649 --> 00:59:02,099 win. It's just, it's you know, what do people do with this? And 937 00:59:02,099 --> 00:59:04,469 I think the most interesting things of course, surfacing 938 00:59:04,499 --> 00:59:09,869 other podcasts that I want people to see on in an app, pod 939 00:59:09,869 --> 00:59:12,479 page, I'm sure pod page will will do something with that. 940 00:59:12,479 --> 00:59:15,839 This is good. It's a good it's a great tag. It's a great tag. I 941 00:59:15,839 --> 00:59:16,859 really love this tag. 942 00:59:17,429 --> 00:59:21,419 Dave Jones: But here it says Tom Woods is his podcast is 943 00:59:21,419 --> 00:59:25,229 recommended in one of these vigilante feeds. That is 944 00:59:25,229 --> 00:59:30,839 vigilante thing at how is this working because their feeds must 945 00:59:30,839 --> 00:59:32,489 have pod rolls and they 946 00:59:32,489 --> 00:59:35,309 Adam Curry: do I'm looking at the feed right now. But this is 947 00:59:35,309 --> 00:59:38,099 pure tube is it? 948 00:59:39,750 --> 00:59:41,820 Dave Jones: I don't Yeah, I think this I think this is a 949 00:59:41,820 --> 00:59:42,240 pissy 950 00:59:42,240 --> 00:59:47,490 Adam Curry: vigilante youtube.tv Feed slash podcast slash VIDEOS 951 00:59:47,490 --> 00:59:48,390 dot XML 952 00:59:49,109 --> 00:59:52,469 Dave Jones: source fade you're just going to pick this one. And 953 00:59:52,469 --> 00:59:52,619 that 954 00:59:52,619 --> 00:59:55,829 Adam Curry: looks like they they have declaring the namespace 955 00:59:55,859 --> 00:59:59,189 looks good. What's the generator hive tube 956 01:00:00,659 --> 01:00:01,709 Dave Jones: hive to 957 01:00:02,969 --> 01:00:07,289 Adam Curry: what does that oh, the hive tube that's the 958 01:00:07,289 --> 01:00:12,149 generator I just read the feed man let me see what hive tube is 959 01:00:12,479 --> 01:00:16,799 hive tube. The Hive to plugin monetizes any streaming media 960 01:00:16,799 --> 01:00:22,169 censorship free p2p via the hive blockchain. I smell Brian of 961 01:00:22,169 --> 01:00:22,619 London 962 01:00:22,919 --> 01:00:24,449 Dave Jones: spelled you 963 01:00:31,020 --> 01:00:31,560 Adam Curry: all right, 964 01:00:32,340 --> 01:00:35,040 Dave Jones: I guess Brian, I guess Brian did this and is and 965 01:00:35,040 --> 01:00:38,100 all this bear might be yeah might be alright. I mean he'll 966 01:00:38,100 --> 01:00:41,670 he'll tell us he'll tell us. He's going to win him. Yeah, but 967 01:00:41,670 --> 01:00:44,610 pod roll is just such a new tag. I was surprised that that would 968 01:00:44,610 --> 01:00:45,600 exist. Yeah, 969 01:00:45,629 --> 01:00:47,639 Adam Curry: well and it's in Yeah, it's all in here. I'm 970 01:00:47,639 --> 01:00:51,119 waiting for a sovereign feat. I know Stephen Bell's real busy 971 01:00:51,119 --> 01:00:54,299 doing all kinds of stuff it's on the list. So I'm looking forward 972 01:00:54,299 --> 01:00:58,979 to implementing it. Because I got some feeds I want to point 973 01:00:58,979 --> 01:01:00,149 toward the 974 01:01:00,150 --> 01:01:02,970 Dave Jones: a lot of Buzzsprout in here be tunes.tv What does 975 01:01:02,970 --> 01:01:10,620 that be tuned? b e tunes.tv. Beach? Is that also hive 976 01:01:12,060 --> 01:01:15,030 Adam Curry: to E dash or just b? 977 01:01:15,510 --> 01:01:18,720 Dave Jones: b e t o n s dot 978 01:01:18,899 --> 01:01:20,039 Adam Curry: Avi tunes, 979 01:01:20,070 --> 01:01:22,770 Dave Jones: okay. Be the tunes. 980 01:01:23,430 --> 01:01:24,600 Adam Curry: Don't see that showing up? 981 01:01:26,340 --> 01:01:28,860 Dave Jones: On it. It's yet another another hive 982 01:01:28,860 --> 01:01:30,120 Adam Curry: thing now the hive thing? 983 01:01:30,989 --> 01:01:31,799 Dave Jones: I don't know, what's 984 01:01:31,800 --> 01:01:32,370 Adam Curry: the generator 985 01:01:32,369 --> 01:01:36,779 Dave Jones: source? Trying to find it source source Feed URL, 986 01:01:36,779 --> 01:01:40,199 you know, have the generator. Have that in the database. I 987 01:01:40,199 --> 01:01:41,849 should have just put that in here. Be 988 01:01:41,850 --> 01:01:45,060 Adam Curry: tuned. I'll bet you now I'll bet you that's also a 989 01:01:45,060 --> 01:01:45,720 hive thing. 990 01:01:47,699 --> 01:01:49,829 Dave Jones: At the back, it's interesting that that happened 991 01:01:49,829 --> 01:01:53,069 because of the last the last peer to work with RSS that I 992 01:01:53,069 --> 01:01:56,729 know of was was all Alex and I know he's not doing hive stuff. 993 01:01:57,359 --> 01:01:58,289 Yeah, yes. Hive 994 01:01:58,290 --> 01:02:00,510 Adam Curry: to because hive to Yeah. All right. 995 01:02:00,780 --> 01:02:02,850 Dave Jones: There must be some fork of peer tube. It's all 996 01:02:02,850 --> 01:02:03,600 about hive. 997 01:02:04,770 --> 01:02:08,460 Adam Curry: Interesting. Okay, well, the Learns Well, this is 998 01:02:08,460 --> 01:02:12,960 nice. Okay. I like it. I like it. Another thing everyone needs 999 01:02:12,960 --> 01:02:18,930 to implement. Yeah, quick go. You ready? Go. Implement 1000 01:02:18,960 --> 01:02:23,490 implement implement. One of the thing you and I talked about, 1001 01:02:23,880 --> 01:02:29,280 just briefly there was so I it's unclear. It seems like power 1002 01:02:29,280 --> 01:02:36,360 users had a problem with the get Alby Bumi. resolved. Right? It 1003 01:02:36,360 --> 01:02:40,230 resolved. Absolutely. But I just want to remind everybody that 1004 01:02:40,230 --> 01:02:45,810 having other options is not a bad idea. It's not a bad idea. 1005 01:02:45,870 --> 01:02:48,840 Having fallback or just making sure you're always out there 1006 01:02:48,840 --> 01:02:51,780 looking at there's a lot of development in I'm not trying to 1007 01:02:51,780 --> 01:02:56,400 move anyone away from from get Alby but it's good to I mean, 1008 01:02:56,490 --> 01:03:01,470 here's something that just happened. I believe nostre is 1009 01:03:01,470 --> 01:03:05,910 fairly reliant on wallet of Satoshi a lot of people use 1010 01:03:05,910 --> 01:03:06,930 wallet of Satoshi. 1011 01:03:07,260 --> 01:03:09,960 Dave Jones: And if they rely on what do you can you tell me what 1012 01:03:09,990 --> 01:03:10,740 that means that the 1013 01:03:10,739 --> 01:03:14,099 Adam Curry: users are using wallet of Satoshi for zaps? 1014 01:03:15,210 --> 01:03:17,670 Dave Jones: I think most like in most most instances, yeah. 1015 01:03:17,700 --> 01:03:19,980 Adam Curry: Because it because it's easy to onboard as 1016 01:03:19,980 --> 01:03:24,210 custodial. It's good to go. And wallet of Satoshi just took 1017 01:03:24,210 --> 01:03:29,190 themselves out of the US App Stores. Really? Yep. They're a 1018 01:03:29,190 --> 01:03:32,520 little sketchy as to why they do like you should know why. Like, 1019 01:03:32,520 --> 01:03:36,870 no, I don't really know why. I think because they're a money 1020 01:03:36,870 --> 01:03:39,840 service provider. They're not they're not a standalone wallet. 1021 01:03:41,880 --> 01:03:43,290 Seems pretty clear to me. 1022 01:03:44,280 --> 01:03:47,760 Dave Jones: Oh, so is did they take themselves out immediately 1023 01:03:47,760 --> 01:03:48,600 after the by Nance? 1024 01:03:48,629 --> 01:03:52,589 Adam Curry: I think yeah, I think the timing is, is seems 1025 01:03:52,589 --> 01:03:53,819 kind of obvious to me. 1026 01:03:54,780 --> 01:03:58,020 Dave Jones: Yeah. That so they Yeah, if they if they pulled 1027 01:03:58,020 --> 01:04:01,650 right after that they must be that must have spooked them. And 1028 01:04:01,650 --> 01:04:05,490 Adam Curry: rightly so. I mean, be a you know, so what did 1029 01:04:05,490 --> 01:04:09,600 binance get popped for for money laundering, you know, illegal 1030 01:04:09,600 --> 01:04:12,630 transactions? Yeah, I can see why they're worried about that. 1031 01:04:13,650 --> 01:04:16,320 Dave Jones: Absolutely. Me too. You know, so 1032 01:04:16,320 --> 01:04:19,710 Adam Curry: there's there's is that green light thing is the 1033 01:04:19,710 --> 01:04:23,970 breeze SDK. Does that. Is that? Is that all? noncustodial is 1034 01:04:23,970 --> 01:04:27,630 that working? Is that does do key send. I mean, is this stuff 1035 01:04:27,630 --> 01:04:28,380 up and running? 1036 01:04:29,790 --> 01:04:32,310 Dave Jones: I don't know. We need let's get Roy back on the 1037 01:04:32,310 --> 01:04:33,570 show so we can get an update? That'd be 1038 01:04:33,570 --> 01:04:35,880 Adam Curry: good. Yeah, I'd like Yes. I'd love to just have a 1039 01:04:35,880 --> 01:04:38,820 light as I mean, I know that he basically is keeping the breeze 1040 01:04:38,820 --> 01:04:42,930 app alive as a and he's no he's, he's putting money. He's put 1041 01:04:42,930 --> 01:04:46,350 money into it. People working on it to upgrade with value time 1042 01:04:46,350 --> 01:04:48,810 splits for the wallet switching technology, which I really 1043 01:04:48,810 --> 01:04:52,770 appreciate. But he he was even thinking, Well, you know, we're 1044 01:04:52,770 --> 01:04:56,850 kind of doing our job now as a lightning service provider. So 1045 01:04:56,850 --> 01:05:00,750 we're just keeping that alive as an example of an Like, you can't 1046 01:05:00,750 --> 01:05:05,220 shut that down, that's my actual wallet wallet. That's the wallet 1047 01:05:05,220 --> 01:05:09,120 I use for transactions. You know, I'm gonna buy $500 worth 1048 01:05:09,120 --> 01:05:12,420 of beef, I'm doing it through through breeze because I trust 1049 01:05:12,420 --> 01:05:15,780 it, you know, I trust the the back end the service provider 1050 01:05:15,780 --> 01:05:21,240 piece, and I think they may even be offering some services to to 1051 01:05:21,270 --> 01:05:25,920 get Alby. I'm not sure. But I think that this is, the state of 1052 01:05:25,920 --> 01:05:28,410 the Lightning Network might would be a good idea to have Roy 1053 01:05:28,410 --> 01:05:33,090 back on just to see where we're at, see what's going on. Because 1054 01:05:33,090 --> 01:05:37,410 they're just relying on any one solution, not a problem. It's 1055 01:05:37,440 --> 01:05:41,130 easy. And everyone's like, Okay, I've solved that. Just enter 1056 01:05:41,130 --> 01:05:44,310 your credentials here. And it all works. But I think we need 1057 01:05:44,310 --> 01:05:49,050 to continuously be on the lookout for backups or better 1058 01:05:49,050 --> 01:05:53,040 things or, and you know, and I'm sure they get, I'll be guys, and 1059 01:05:53,040 --> 01:05:56,520 maybe we should have them on as well. You know, wouldn't be bad 1060 01:05:56,520 --> 01:05:59,220 to have more it's and you just have monitored, talk about 1061 01:05:59,220 --> 01:06:02,880 what's going on because it it stuff is scaling now, and we're 1062 01:06:02,880 --> 01:06:06,990 gonna end and it's working. You know, we get a report every day, 1063 01:06:06,990 --> 01:06:10,140 and I'm always blown away by how many transactions there are. 1064 01:06:10,979 --> 01:06:11,549 Dave Jones: Yeah, there's 1065 01:06:11,550 --> 01:06:13,920 Adam Curry: a lot. And I mean, we're like 100,000 transactions 1066 01:06:13,920 --> 01:06:17,160 a day that we're seeing minimum on just a regular day, right. 1067 01:06:18,389 --> 01:06:19,769 Dave Jones: Let me pull up yesterday's thing. 1068 01:06:19,800 --> 01:06:21,960 Adam Curry: I think it's about 100. I mean, yeah, I think a 1069 01:06:21,960 --> 01:06:24,660 good day. I'm not talking about number of sets. I'm talking 1070 01:06:24,660 --> 01:06:26,310 about number of transactions. 1071 01:06:26,760 --> 01:06:29,220 Dave Jones: Right? Yeah, cuz that's really all we look at the 1072 01:06:29,220 --> 01:06:33,960 stats totals are still love for you know, I mean, relatively 1073 01:06:33,960 --> 01:06:38,040 speaking. I mean, if it's on it is on a random Wednesday, you 1074 01:06:38,040 --> 01:06:38,280 know, 1075 01:06:38,369 --> 01:06:41,909 Adam Curry: no, Wednesday's is just very, that's the worst day 1076 01:06:41,909 --> 01:06:42,419 of the week. 1077 01:06:42,900 --> 01:06:45,090 Dave Jones: Yes. Nothing going on. Definitely the worst day of 1078 01:06:45,090 --> 01:06:52,380 the week. Let's see daily report. transactions for? Yes. 1079 01:06:52,590 --> 01:06:57,150 Well, yeah. transactions for yesterday. Knows 8098. 1080 01:06:59,310 --> 01:06:59,910 Adam Curry: How many 1081 01:07:00,659 --> 01:07:02,099 Dave Jones: 8098? 1082 01:07:03,000 --> 01:07:04,980 Adam Curry: Well, that was that's probably not a good day 1083 01:07:04,980 --> 01:07:07,950 to look at Dave. That's a Thanksgiving Day in America. 1084 01:07:08,759 --> 01:07:10,709 Dave Jones: Oh, yeah. Well, you're right about that. Let's 1085 01:07:10,709 --> 01:07:12,059 see. Do we have 1086 01:07:14,219 --> 01:07:15,329 Adam Curry: let me see what I have. 1087 01:07:17,730 --> 01:07:22,770 Dave Jones: Report. I usually Thunderbird, which I can't ever 1088 01:07:22,770 --> 01:07:23,760 find where the folders 1089 01:07:24,360 --> 01:07:28,320 Adam Curry: when we see what we get from today. When we got from 1090 01:07:28,320 --> 01:07:32,400 today. No, that's not what I'm looking for. 1091 01:07:33,449 --> 01:07:40,649 Dave Jones: Here. Daily Reports. Go here. Let's look at this. 1092 01:07:40,649 --> 01:07:42,329 Let's get to last week, because that's yeah, 1093 01:07:42,329 --> 01:07:48,569 Adam Curry: that's a better week. November 21. Key send me a 1094 01:07:48,569 --> 01:07:52,709 total. No, I'm sorry. I'm I was thinking of SATs. You had 1095 01:07:52,709 --> 01:07:56,069 transactions? 8669. 1096 01:07:57,360 --> 01:08:00,120 Dave Jones: There's 9784. That's right. 1097 01:08:00,120 --> 01:08:03,540 Adam Curry: It's like 10 to 10,000. On a good day. Yeah. So 1098 01:08:03,540 --> 01:08:07,140 last Saturday was almost 10 and a half 1000. Yeah, that's so 1099 01:08:07,140 --> 01:08:10,410 that's, that's the transaction 10,000 A day that we're seeing. 1100 01:08:11,070 --> 01:08:13,860 Right, that we're seeing. And it's and it's interesting to 1101 01:08:13,860 --> 01:08:16,770 see, because if you look at the SAT total, the number one 1102 01:08:16,770 --> 01:08:20,850 transacting app does not necessarily have the most value, 1103 01:08:20,940 --> 01:08:24,060 float the highest amount of value. So I can see just a 1104 01:08:24,060 --> 01:08:32,880 random day Friday the 24th. I can see fountain had home I 1105 01:08:32,880 --> 01:08:37,740 guess pretty funny, founds an ad 700 times the transactions that 1106 01:08:37,740 --> 01:08:45,510 pod verse had. But pod verse sent 10 times the value. Isn't 1107 01:08:45,510 --> 01:08:48,300 that cool? And like and you can see different kinds of huge cast 1108 01:08:48,300 --> 01:08:50,940 thematic users, I always see cast thematic users and high 1109 01:08:50,940 --> 01:08:56,070 value. Fountain is always high transaction low value. I'm 1110 01:08:56,070 --> 01:08:58,500 always amazed that Sphinx is in there. I don't know what they're 1111 01:08:58,500 --> 01:08:59,250 doing in their 1112 01:09:00,840 --> 01:09:03,540 Dave Jones: 99 transactions. It's not like they're not 1113 01:09:05,549 --> 01:09:06,269 Adam Curry: alive. It's 1114 01:09:07,710 --> 01:09:15,000 Dave Jones: split kit, ln beats, podcast, Guru, curio caster pod 1115 01:09:15,000 --> 01:09:21,690 fans. Breeze, a breeze. 166 transactions is always a good 1116 01:09:21,690 --> 01:09:27,120 mix. Yeah. Yeah, no, it 1117 01:09:27,120 --> 01:09:29,280 Adam Curry: was Yeah. Oh, yeah. Well, I 1118 01:09:29,280 --> 01:09:32,250 Dave Jones: just think that, like, get really on and ask him 1119 01:09:32,250 --> 01:09:35,550 about where the green light service stands. Because what I 1120 01:09:35,550 --> 01:09:42,240 can see is that green light could be a very good I can see 1121 01:09:42,240 --> 01:09:47,880 the integration in the app in my head. And I need I need a chance 1122 01:09:47,880 --> 01:09:52,710 to explain it to him and see if I'm understanding this properly. 1123 01:09:52,860 --> 01:09:56,550 Okay. Because if it's right then you could you could say, Okay, 1124 01:09:56,550 --> 01:10:03,240 well if I want a wallet in my I, in my podcasts guru, then 1125 01:10:03,480 --> 01:10:07,350 podcasts guru just calls out green light spins up, spins up a 1126 01:10:07,350 --> 01:10:12,090 wallet, and gives me my keys. And done. 1127 01:10:12,150 --> 01:10:14,820 Adam Curry: Right and this exactly. And then those are your 1128 01:10:14,820 --> 01:10:21,540 keys. And it's your dough. And you're responsible for it. And 1129 01:10:21,540 --> 01:10:21,690 there's 1130 01:10:21,690 --> 01:10:24,240 Dave Jones: no, there's no custodian there. You know, 1131 01:10:24,240 --> 01:10:24,600 there's 1132 01:10:26,520 --> 01:10:28,950 Adam Curry: not a financial customer. Yes. And I think 1133 01:10:28,950 --> 01:10:31,140 there's going to be it's going to be reasons to look at stuff 1134 01:10:31,140 --> 01:10:33,600 like that in the near future. There's going to be 1135 01:10:34,500 --> 01:10:36,150 Dave Jones: Yeah, if things are starting to disappear off app 1136 01:10:36,150 --> 01:10:38,100 stores, then yeah, that's a reason. Yeah, well, 1137 01:10:38,100 --> 01:10:39,930 Adam Curry: thanks. Good off themselves. I was like, Oh, 1138 01:10:39,930 --> 01:10:43,830 that's interesting. So the point being that, you know, that kind 1139 01:10:43,830 --> 01:10:48,210 of hurt, hurts the simple so that a simple solution is easy 1140 01:10:48,210 --> 01:10:51,210 to onboard people with nos or get the wall of Satoshi Okay, 1141 01:10:51,210 --> 01:10:55,920 great. Good. People are zapping me it works. Now, you can't just 1142 01:10:55,920 --> 01:10:58,650 get the wallet of Satoshi I'm sure that the app, you know, I'm 1143 01:10:58,650 --> 01:11:00,930 sure it doesn't disappear from your phone if you already have 1144 01:11:00,930 --> 01:11:03,360 it. But maybe you probably won't be able to load on your new 1145 01:11:03,360 --> 01:11:09,300 phone, or whatever. You know, so these things are worth sharing. 1146 01:11:09,570 --> 01:11:13,590 Yeah, yeah. It's a real shame. But it's custodial services. I 1147 01:11:13,590 --> 01:11:17,010 mean, we've seen all kinds of blips and burps and glitches 1148 01:11:17,010 --> 01:11:21,990 from a fountain has it from time to time. I mean, this stuff at 1149 01:11:21,990 --> 01:11:28,950 scale is hard. If that's the same as you know, like an index, 1150 01:11:29,340 --> 01:11:32,220 it's hard. It's not an easy thing to do. 1151 01:11:32,610 --> 01:11:34,890 Dave Jones: Well, that's why everybody swit and by the way, 1152 01:11:34,890 --> 01:11:37,530 we're going to, we're going to start the process of shutting 1153 01:11:37,530 --> 01:11:43,230 down our LMP node. So that's a there's been zero transactions 1154 01:11:43,290 --> 01:11:47,400 over the last 30 days. There never was many anyway. But 1155 01:11:47,400 --> 01:11:53,970 there's we're keeping some stuff alive for legacy purposes. And 1156 01:11:54,060 --> 01:11:55,860 that seems to have all dried up. 1157 01:11:56,010 --> 01:11:58,530 Adam Curry: Yeah. Look how long it took, though. The trend the 1158 01:11:58,530 --> 01:12:04,770 transition from everyone using LM pay to get Alby the, and when 1159 01:12:04,770 --> 01:12:07,020 I say every one of them the app developers? Yeah, a year, 1160 01:12:07,530 --> 01:12:11,280 Dave Jones: a year year, so that we're gonna start, we're gonna 1161 01:12:11,310 --> 01:12:14,490 close that down. But see, that's why that's why everybody left 1162 01:12:14,550 --> 01:12:20,220 LMP anyways, because in an LMP situation, the app had to hold 1163 01:12:20,580 --> 01:12:25,530 the keys. Yeah. And so then that puts the app, the podcast app 1164 01:12:25,530 --> 01:12:31,560 has a custodian, whereas with LB is the LB is the custodian, and 1165 01:12:31,560 --> 01:12:34,920 the user has the as their credentials. And so there's no 1166 01:12:34,920 --> 01:12:38,640 the app is just, the app is just shuffling off tokens around, 1167 01:12:38,640 --> 01:12:43,320 there's no right. They don't know, the app has no idea how, 1168 01:12:43,560 --> 01:12:46,560 like he can't access their funds, the people, the 1169 01:12:46,560 --> 01:12:48,900 developers, so there's no custodianship there. So it's 1170 01:12:48,900 --> 01:12:52,140 safer for the app to do something like that. And I think 1171 01:12:52,140 --> 01:12:56,100 if you go sort of one step further and look at, you know, 1172 01:12:56,100 --> 01:13:00,420 Greenlight, which I hope I bet Alby is doing they're probably 1173 01:13:00,420 --> 01:13:01,110 doing that too. 1174 01:13:01,140 --> 01:13:03,840 Adam Curry: I would hope so. Yeah, I would hope so. Then 1175 01:13:03,840 --> 01:13:07,170 Dave Jones: you then you but then you take even the last mile 1176 01:13:07,650 --> 01:13:12,360 out of it and say, Okay, well, now now, it's not even even a 1177 01:13:12,360 --> 01:13:13,500 custodian at all. How 1178 01:13:13,500 --> 01:13:16,080 Adam Curry: about this? Why don't we have the get Alby guys 1179 01:13:16,080 --> 01:13:19,380 on? I mean, we can we can have royaume but why don't you have 1180 01:13:19,380 --> 01:13:23,160 to get lb guys and ask them what the plan is. Okay, because 1181 01:13:23,160 --> 01:13:25,770 they're the they're the they're the clear guys that are doing 1182 01:13:25,770 --> 01:13:28,680 it. You know, I love them for it. And I'm sure they have 1183 01:13:28,680 --> 01:13:30,720 thoughts about it. I'm sure they're not sitting around 1184 01:13:30,720 --> 01:13:34,170 going. This is great. This is fine with the fire flames 1185 01:13:34,170 --> 01:13:38,490 everywhere I'm sure coffee. Sure the day. I'm sure they have 1186 01:13:38,490 --> 01:13:41,820 thoughts about this and you know, they're they're in the EU 1187 01:13:41,820 --> 01:13:45,480 so that has different connotations. You know, boy I 1188 01:13:45,480 --> 01:13:48,750 have you ever seen Fifi Lagarde over there who runs the European 1189 01:13:48,750 --> 01:13:51,540 Central Bank? You know, she's she's no fan of the stuff we're 1190 01:13:51,540 --> 01:13:51,960 doing. 1191 01:13:52,560 --> 01:13:54,000 Dave Jones: No, is not a big fan. 1192 01:13:54,030 --> 01:13:56,370 Adam Curry: Do you see this? She's now going around. She's 1193 01:13:56,370 --> 01:14:00,060 doing this she's she's shilling for the digital euro, the 1194 01:14:00,060 --> 01:14:05,370 central bank digital currency, which is a true cbdc. And she's 1195 01:14:05,370 --> 01:14:09,540 going around saying crypto is no good. My son didn't listen to 1196 01:14:09,540 --> 01:14:12,990 me. He lost almost all of his crypto investments. 1197 01:14:13,770 --> 01:14:15,960 Dave Jones: Oh, what do you invent what crypto investments? 1198 01:14:15,960 --> 01:14:18,120 Did he bet there was no details? 1199 01:14:18,270 --> 01:14:21,330 Adam Curry: No, of course not. She's because she's conflating 1200 01:14:21,330 --> 01:14:24,690 things purposefully. Make. 1201 01:14:24,900 --> 01:14:26,970 Dave Jones: What about this digital Euro when that's 1202 01:14:26,970 --> 01:14:28,980 supposed to come out in October? No. 1203 01:14:29,010 --> 01:14:31,020 Adam Curry: In October, she announced that they were moving 1204 01:14:31,020 --> 01:14:34,110 forward. That's what she that would that. She said in October. 1205 01:14:34,200 --> 01:14:36,930 We'll announce our plans. They're moving forward. They've 1206 01:14:36,930 --> 01:14:39,630 all agreed somewhere. They had some agreement. Yeah. Good to 1207 01:14:39,630 --> 01:14:44,700 go. And now she's out there marketing the idea that it'll be 1208 01:14:45,270 --> 01:14:48,630 completely you know, we won't sell your information to other 1209 01:14:48,630 --> 01:14:55,080 companies. No government will have Yeah, sure. Movie group. 1210 01:14:55,470 --> 01:15:00,360 Yeah. Good. I wonder if there's a video for saying that. She's 1211 01:15:00,360 --> 01:15:03,540 such a cool man. She is such a tool. Does 1212 01:15:03,540 --> 01:15:11,820 Dave Jones: the guards on drip to ECB chief regarded miss her 1213 01:15:11,820 --> 01:15:17,760 son loft crypto kick last crypto cash? What is crypto cash crypto 1214 01:15:17,760 --> 01:15:18,390 cash? 1215 01:15:18,930 --> 01:15:21,360 Adam Curry: What is there? Is there a video video of it? 1216 01:15:22,770 --> 01:15:29,670 Dave Jones: Looking at us don't cash. This is stupid. Son lost 1217 01:15:29,670 --> 01:15:34,920 almost all money he invested in crypto. Yeah, yeah, con Jen said 1218 01:15:34,920 --> 01:15:37,170 it was FTX? I don't know. I'm 1219 01:15:37,170 --> 01:15:42,510 Adam Curry: sure that's irrelevant, really. But But what 1220 01:15:42,510 --> 01:15:47,040 I think is happening. I think what we're seeing happening now 1221 01:15:47,040 --> 01:15:51,030 in the markets is everything's good look, they didn't put by 1222 01:15:51,030 --> 01:15:54,510 Nance out of business, they could have shut that thing down 1223 01:15:54,510 --> 01:15:59,100 easily. They didn't write this was a warning. Like, okay, you 1224 01:15:59,100 --> 01:16:02,310 got to play ball with us. Because they want I think what 1225 01:16:02,310 --> 01:16:05,400 will happen is everything will go away. Everything will be 1226 01:16:05,400 --> 01:16:13,290 outlawed. Bitcoin and I would expect Aetherium will become 1227 01:16:13,380 --> 01:16:17,310 tradable on the established public markets, either through 1228 01:16:17,310 --> 01:16:22,500 an ETF or whatever. There will be approved companies they 1229 01:16:22,500 --> 01:16:24,990 already have, they already have an approved exchange that you 1230 01:16:24,990 --> 01:16:29,190 know, some Goldman Sachs or some Wall Street insider thing that 1231 01:16:29,190 --> 01:16:31,290 no one's ever heard of. It's just sitting there getting ready 1232 01:16:31,290 --> 01:16:35,370 to trade so you can buy and sell. And everything else will 1233 01:16:35,370 --> 01:16:37,800 be out bought. They're gonna be they'll do Oh, no, everything. 1234 01:16:37,830 --> 01:16:40,260 Nothing. And I don't know. And of course, please, if you're an 1235 01:16:40,260 --> 01:16:45,300 XRP guide note, don't email me. I'm not interested. I know. XRP 1236 01:16:45,300 --> 01:16:47,790 is great. That's the future. It's all gonna run through XRP 1237 01:16:47,790 --> 01:16:48,840 I'm sure. Yeah. 1238 01:16:48,840 --> 01:16:54,720 Dave Jones: Web monetization. Web three. Yeah, nothing. 1239 01:16:54,780 --> 01:16:58,890 There's there's I think in general, we're seeing a lot of I 1240 01:16:58,890 --> 01:17:02,250 think the I think the open AI stuff is related 1241 01:17:02,250 --> 01:17:06,720 Adam Curry: to this. Oh, yeah. Oh, yes. Oh, totally shuffling 1242 01:17:06,780 --> 01:17:11,010 Dave Jones: the deck. Like you're seeing? Because the thing 1243 01:17:11,010 --> 01:17:18,450 is nobody's making. There's no, there's nothing. There's no 1244 01:17:18,450 --> 01:17:21,150 clear next step for any of this stuff. 1245 01:17:21,330 --> 01:17:24,450 Adam Curry: Oh, by figured out the open AI stuff figured out 1246 01:17:24,450 --> 01:17:28,200 open AI. Now I understand what's going on. This is Well, 1247 01:17:28,230 --> 01:17:35,460 surprise, it's a scam. And the reason why Sam Altman is back at 1248 01:17:35,460 --> 01:17:38,430 open AI is because that's the shim, we discussed this on no 1249 01:17:38,430 --> 01:17:41,370 agenda. That's the shim that is the piece in the middle that 1250 01:17:41,370 --> 01:17:44,910 when the lawsuits come, they don't sue Microsoft, and 1251 01:17:44,910 --> 01:17:48,660 Microsoft, but they're doing and I know, because I have, you're 1252 01:17:48,660 --> 01:17:51,330 gonna, you're gonna see the sales guys come into your shop, 1253 01:17:51,420 --> 01:17:55,620 David, they haven't already. We have this great new AI 1254 01:17:55,620 --> 01:18:00,180 technology here at Microsoft. And it works with teams, it 1255 01:18:00,180 --> 01:18:03,300 works with Office. So now when you have a team meeting, it does 1256 01:18:03,300 --> 01:18:06,360 a transcript and then the transcript will create the AI 1257 01:18:06,360 --> 01:18:10,050 will create action items, those action items are automatically 1258 01:18:10,050 --> 01:18:13,740 put onto your calendar. And what you really want those you really 1259 01:18:13,740 --> 01:18:18,420 want to use our AI tools are tools to create your own large 1260 01:18:18,420 --> 01:18:22,290 language model, which uses Microsoft as your as compute, 1261 01:18:22,530 --> 01:18:25,170 which is quite expensive. But it'll be worth the million 1262 01:18:25,170 --> 01:18:28,290 dollars you invest in creating your own large language model, 1263 01:18:28,290 --> 01:18:32,220 because then you can have your own system and easily retrieve 1264 01:18:32,220 --> 01:18:36,270 documents and information and business intelligence from 1265 01:18:36,270 --> 01:18:39,750 within your own large language model. That's what Microsoft is 1266 01:18:39,750 --> 01:18:43,170 in this for. They don't give a crap about, you know how its 1267 01:18:43,170 --> 01:18:47,100 presented some chat bot, they want you to use their compute 1268 01:18:47,100 --> 01:18:49,110 services to create the LLM. 1269 01:18:50,610 --> 01:18:54,090 Dave Jones: I agree. I agree. That's because that is already 1270 01:18:54,090 --> 01:18:56,970 happening. They are already they are already doing that. 1271 01:18:57,720 --> 01:18:59,550 Adam Curry: They're selling. They're selling that to you. 1272 01:19:00,000 --> 01:19:01,230 Yes, I had 1273 01:19:01,230 --> 01:19:04,320 Dave Jones: already. I was in a conference with my day job was 1274 01:19:04,320 --> 01:19:07,860 in a conference not too long ago. And many people raise their 1275 01:19:07,860 --> 01:19:10,320 hands when they were asking if they were running their own 1276 01:19:10,320 --> 01:19:14,760 local copies of GPT on Azure. And they were then they are that 1277 01:19:14,760 --> 01:19:18,660 is a thing that people are doing. And that I guess the the 1278 01:19:18,660 --> 01:19:21,630 thing that the thing that gets the open AI thing from my 1279 01:19:21,630 --> 01:19:27,840 perspective, I think that they I think that they got caught. And 1280 01:19:27,840 --> 01:19:32,370 they Altman and Microsoft got got caught trying to get out 1281 01:19:32,370 --> 01:19:36,510 from under this thing. Because I think what they realize 1282 01:19:36,540 --> 01:19:40,530 internally is that this thing is a dog. It is not going to make 1283 01:19:40,530 --> 01:19:47,640 any money. But what they saw what they see is they see who's 1284 01:19:47,640 --> 01:19:51,420 the only person who's actually making money from this 1285 01:19:51,450 --> 01:19:57,990 Microsoft. No, no Microsoft invested. They promised their 1286 01:19:58,530 --> 01:20:04,290 their aspect of this Is that they promised open ai $10 1287 01:20:04,290 --> 01:20:06,600 billion worth of Azure credits? Yes. 1288 01:20:06,660 --> 01:20:09,930 Adam Curry: Well, let's Can we just say 10 billion? Is that 1289 01:20:09,930 --> 01:20:15,030 retail? Is that special price? Best Price? Is it just $10 1290 01:20:15,030 --> 01:20:18,780 million worth or $1,000 Worth, but they price it at a 10 1291 01:20:18,780 --> 01:20:22,770 billion. Okay. Irrelevant. We agree on that. And 1292 01:20:22,770 --> 01:20:25,560 Dave Jones: what they got at what Microsoft got out of it was 1293 01:20:26,130 --> 01:20:31,200 the IP, all of it, they're all of it. Yeah, the deal is, is 1294 01:20:31,200 --> 01:20:34,770 basically they get access to all the IP. And if open AI ever goes 1295 01:20:34,770 --> 01:20:37,830 under, they get me they literally go on and on and on. 1296 01:20:37,860 --> 01:20:38,310 So 1297 01:20:38,340 --> 01:20:41,340 Adam Curry: that's why the shame is still in place. Because 1298 01:20:41,730 --> 01:20:45,300 Altman did his job. He got the executive order, which is the 1299 01:20:45,300 --> 01:20:48,960 path to regulation. Everyone's Whoa, Whoa, it's so scary. You 1300 01:20:48,960 --> 01:20:51,570 can only have the biggest companies in the world do this 1301 01:20:51,570 --> 01:20:54,930 really was we can't just have any Tom, Dick and Harry doing 1302 01:20:54,930 --> 01:20:59,760 this stuff. No, it has to be either, Microsoft, Google can't 1303 01:20:59,760 --> 01:21:04,560 be anybody else. Amazon AWS Campion. So they got all they're 1304 01:21:04,560 --> 01:21:07,980 all protected. But if the lawsuit comes for copyright, 1305 01:21:08,100 --> 01:21:10,650 that goes to open AI. Well, 1306 01:21:11,010 --> 01:21:15,150 Dave Jones: the part that Microsoft did Microsoft is I do 1307 01:21:15,150 --> 01:21:19,080 not think they're making any money off off the chat off the 1308 01:21:19,080 --> 01:21:22,020 chat stuff. No, no, zero as a call center for them. Yeah. 1309 01:21:22,050 --> 01:21:26,160 What? So what they saw was, if you look around the industry, 1310 01:21:26,160 --> 01:21:31,770 the only person who's making tons of money off of AI is 1311 01:21:31,800 --> 01:21:32,580 Nvidia. 1312 01:21:33,630 --> 01:21:36,270 Adam Curry: Yes. Yeah. And they're gonna end I heard Marcy 1313 01:21:36,270 --> 01:21:39,660 there. Yeah. And Microsoft is planning on making their own 1314 01:21:39,660 --> 01:21:40,350 chip now. 1315 01:21:40,890 --> 01:21:43,440 Dave Jones: Yes, invidious earnings. Yeah. 1316 01:21:43,560 --> 01:21:47,730 Adam Curry: They were applying Oh, now. They blew it out. Yeah. 1317 01:21:48,270 --> 01:21:49,320 believable. 1318 01:21:49,350 --> 01:21:52,110 Dave Jones: Yeah. And Microsoft looks around and they're like, 1319 01:21:52,500 --> 01:21:55,230 We want to get in the hardware business. Yep. And they in the 1320 01:21:55,230 --> 01:21:59,460 AI chip hardware business. And Sam Altman, according to 1321 01:21:59,970 --> 01:22:05,100 reports, was making deals with the Saudis to do a heart and AI 1322 01:22:05,100 --> 01:22:06,870 hardware chip business. 1323 01:22:06,900 --> 01:22:10,050 Adam Curry: Oh, and it was within video. Oh, I didn't 1324 01:22:10,050 --> 01:22:13,710 realize that. Oh, that's a good day. Good data point. I didn't I 1325 01:22:13,710 --> 01:22:14,790 had not heard that. 1326 01:22:15,150 --> 01:22:18,180 Dave Jones: I think internally Microsoft working with Altman 1327 01:22:18,180 --> 01:22:21,810 was making it was getting ready to make to flip the switch from 1328 01:22:21,810 --> 01:22:26,370 software to picks and shovels because they need because Nvidia 1329 01:22:26,370 --> 01:22:29,100 is showing that the only people making money are the hardware 1330 01:22:29,100 --> 01:22:32,520 the hardware guys right. And they tried to get out from under 1331 01:22:32,520 --> 01:22:37,770 this software dog that does not work. And they get and then the 1332 01:22:37,770 --> 01:22:41,850 board was so stupid. These the board like you said there but 1333 01:22:41,850 --> 01:22:45,060 it's like a cold. No. Yeah, they're so dumb. Like you don't 1334 01:22:45,060 --> 01:22:48,270 know what they do. In the college football world. 1335 01:22:48,270 --> 01:22:51,090 Everybody knows you never fire your current coach until you 1336 01:22:51,090 --> 01:22:53,940 have the NetScout already lined up ready to walk to the podium 1337 01:22:53,940 --> 01:22:55,650 and say, I take this job 1338 01:22:55,650 --> 01:22:58,590 Adam Curry: and here's your link because that board literally 1339 01:22:58,590 --> 01:23:02,970 grew up with the SAM Backman fried people and the Alameda 1340 01:23:02,970 --> 01:23:07,020 research girl. They're all effective altruists and that 1341 01:23:07,020 --> 01:23:11,070 these are the people that do all the Oh AI's. By the way AI eat 1342 01:23:11,070 --> 01:23:15,090 the world. I should play this. We should play this. Because 1343 01:23:15,150 --> 01:23:22,200 you're you're a technologist. What is what is that? The 1344 01:23:22,200 --> 01:23:27,090 douchebags name the guy who was CEO for like three seconds. 1345 01:23:29,100 --> 01:23:31,260 Dave Jones: CEO of open ion Yeah, the 1346 01:23:31,260 --> 01:23:33,270 Adam Curry: guy the guy from Twitch Yeah. What's his name? 1347 01:23:33,270 --> 01:23:33,810 Shira? 1348 01:23:33,840 --> 01:23:35,610 Dave Jones: Yeah, here here? Yeah, sure. Here 1349 01:23:35,610 --> 01:23:40,260 Adam Curry: we go. Listen, you want to? So they so the board 1350 01:23:40,260 --> 01:23:43,020 thought this guy would be the right guy. Listen to why he 1351 01:23:43,020 --> 01:23:48,540 explains why AI is so dangerous. And I think he's talking about 1352 01:23:48,540 --> 01:23:52,260 recursion which results in nothing but your hardware 1353 01:23:52,260 --> 01:23:54,030 locking up. But listen to this for a second. 1354 01:23:54,120 --> 01:23:56,220 Unknown: Generally I'm I'm very pro technology. And I really 1355 01:23:56,220 --> 01:23:58,860 believe the upsides usually outweigh the downsides. 1356 01:23:58,920 --> 01:24:01,770 Everything technology can be misused. Regulating early is 1357 01:24:01,770 --> 01:24:05,280 usually a mistake. I have a very specific concern about AI, we 1358 01:24:05,280 --> 01:24:07,080 built an intelligence, it's kind of amazing. Actually, we may not 1359 01:24:07,080 --> 01:24:09,720 be the smartest intelligence, but it is unintelligence. It can 1360 01:24:09,720 --> 01:24:14,370 solve problems and make arbitrary plans. It's some point 1361 01:24:14,700 --> 01:24:17,610 as it gets better. The kinds of problems that we'll be able to 1362 01:24:17,640 --> 01:24:21,720 solve will include programming, chip design, material science, 1363 01:24:22,170 --> 01:24:25,860 power production, all the things you would need to design an 1364 01:24:25,950 --> 01:24:29,700 artificial intelligence. At that point, you'll be able to point 1365 01:24:29,730 --> 01:24:33,120 the thing we've built back itself. And this will happen 1366 01:24:33,150 --> 01:24:35,220 before you get that point with humans in the loop already is 1367 01:24:35,220 --> 01:24:37,380 happening with humans in the loop. But that loop will get 1368 01:24:37,380 --> 01:24:40,860 tighter and tighter and tighter. And faster and faster and faster 1369 01:24:40,860 --> 01:24:45,900 until it can fully self improve itself. At which point, it will 1370 01:24:45,900 --> 01:24:49,650 get very fast very quickly. And that kind of intelligence is 1371 01:24:49,650 --> 01:24:52,290 just an intrinsically very dangerous thing. Because 1372 01:24:52,500 --> 01:24:53,610 intelligence is power. 1373 01:24:54,900 --> 01:24:57,390 Adam Curry: Tell me what he's saying. Fast. Tell me what he's 1374 01:24:57,390 --> 01:24:59,010 saying right there is bullcrap. 1375 01:25:00,000 --> 01:25:02,430 Dave Jones: It's complete. It's complete idiocy, it's gonna get 1376 01:25:02,430 --> 01:25:03,270 quicker, faster. 1377 01:25:03,390 --> 01:25:06,060 Adam Curry: Nobody says we're going to point it at itself. And 1378 01:25:06,060 --> 01:25:08,640 it's going to develop itself better. Isn't that the 1379 01:25:08,640 --> 01:25:10,200 definition of recursion? 1380 01:25:10,890 --> 01:25:13,200 Dave Jones: Yeah, it's called model collapse. Yeah, 1381 01:25:13,200 --> 01:25:15,930 Adam Curry: model collapse? Yes. There you go model collapse. 1382 01:25:16,410 --> 01:25:21,390 Dave Jones: What in this in this conference that I went to the 1383 01:25:22,080 --> 01:25:24,300 there was a, there was a presenter, who was talking about 1384 01:25:24,300 --> 01:25:27,960 how they had done these proof of concepts where they had written 1385 01:25:27,960 --> 01:25:33,120 these reports, they transferred these reports to be generated by 1386 01:25:33,870 --> 01:25:39,210 AI, by the GPT model. And so you could set you could ask, you 1387 01:25:39,210 --> 01:25:42,330 know, hey, look at all this data, give me this, give me a 1388 01:25:42,330 --> 01:25:45,480 report that shows such and such. And these are, these were 1389 01:25:45,480 --> 01:25:48,390 replacements for the reports that they had built with code. 1390 01:25:49,200 --> 01:25:52,650 And so they were like, you know, somebody raises their hand, and 1391 01:25:52,650 --> 01:25:55,350 they were like, well, how do you know, I mean, like, how do you 1392 01:25:55,350 --> 01:25:59,100 notice right now? Well, you know, we check it initially 1393 01:25:59,100 --> 01:26:03,990 against the report, the old reports, the old until we become 1394 01:26:03,990 --> 01:26:06,450 confident that it's producing the same thing. And they're 1395 01:26:06,450 --> 01:26:10,020 like, Well, how do you know that? Did it doesn't drift and 1396 01:26:10,050 --> 01:26:13,320 that it's always going to be right, and they're like, well, 1397 01:26:13,350 --> 01:26:16,830 we don't really you have, there's some services that you 1398 01:26:16,830 --> 01:26:20,640 can use. Oh, really? Check for model drift and 1399 01:26:20,850 --> 01:26:23,070 Adam Curry: drift. Oh, model drift? That's a new one. I 1400 01:26:23,070 --> 01:26:25,860 hadn't heard model drift. I like that. And 1401 01:26:25,860 --> 01:26:28,800 Dave Jones: I'm like, they don't know you're gonna produce 1402 01:26:28,800 --> 01:26:31,890 something with with the large language model. And then you'll 1403 01:26:31,920 --> 01:26:35,340 always have to prove it. by actually doing the thing. It's 1404 01:26:35,340 --> 01:26:36,330 double the word. Yes. 1405 01:26:36,330 --> 01:26:37,830 Adam Curry: It's like, it's like, it's like owning a 1406 01:26:37,830 --> 01:26:41,010 dishwasher. I always say owning a dishwasher. You're handling 1407 01:26:41,040 --> 01:26:46,350 the dishes twice. Yes. Whereas if you just wash it, and put it 1408 01:26:46,350 --> 01:26:47,400 away, you're done. 1409 01:26:49,200 --> 01:26:51,420 Dave Jones: That is, is dish drift. Yes. 1410 01:26:52,410 --> 01:26:53,880 Adam Curry: You want to get the rest of this douchebag he's 1411 01:26:53,880 --> 01:26:57,000 pretty funny. Oh, I love these guys. Guy. And this is so this 1412 01:26:57,000 --> 01:27:00,330 is a podcast. And this is this is very typical of the of the 1413 01:27:00,330 --> 01:27:03,750 new venture capital guys. They'll they'll have a younger 1414 01:27:03,750 --> 01:27:06,750 junior partner and he's the podcast guy. And he'll do 1415 01:27:06,750 --> 01:27:10,500 podcast with the investments with the with the Oh yeah. And 1416 01:27:10,500 --> 01:27:12,570 it's always like this is great you know we're so happy we 1417 01:27:12,570 --> 01:27:16,110 invest in us as good stuff. Wow. And you're the genius and this 1418 01:27:16,110 --> 01:27:19,740 guy of course clearly from the way he talks is a genius wait 1419 01:27:19,740 --> 01:27:22,320 until you hear some of the terms he makes up and beings 1420 01:27:22,320 --> 01:27:24,510 Unknown: are the dominant for our life on this planet pretty 1421 01:27:24,510 --> 01:27:26,490 much entirely because we were smarter than the other creatures 1422 01:27:26,520 --> 01:27:30,570 now. I just laid out a chain of argument with a lot of chain of 1423 01:27:30,570 --> 01:27:33,180 argument of if this and this if this then this if it's 1424 01:27:33,180 --> 01:27:35,400 Adam Curry: in this oh if this and this and the chain of 1425 01:27:35,400 --> 01:27:37,260 argument is if this then this then this human beings 1426 01:27:37,260 --> 01:27:39,480 Dave Jones: are the dominant for our life on this planet, pretty 1427 01:27:39,480 --> 01:27:41,460 much entirely because we're smarter than the other creatures 1428 01:27:41,490 --> 01:27:47,640 now. I just laid out a chain of argument with this this kind of 1429 01:27:47,640 --> 01:27:53,160 person is this is the type of person the Silicon Valley do. 1430 01:27:53,160 --> 01:27:59,190 Let's just say the Silicon Valley auto autistic who speaks 1431 01:27:59,490 --> 01:28:03,360 so fast that they don't even finish their words because their 1432 01:28:03,360 --> 01:28:05,460 brain is going so fast. 1433 01:28:06,180 --> 01:28:07,140 Adam Curry: He's on Adderall. 1434 01:28:08,250 --> 01:28:10,800 Dave Jones: Yes, thank you. Okay, he's going so fast that he 1435 01:28:10,800 --> 01:28:14,970 can't even pronounce all the syllables of the words because 1436 01:28:15,000 --> 01:28:19,560 he slows him down he's he's living his life on 1.7x 1437 01:28:19,830 --> 01:28:22,410 Adam Curry: that no no, this is what happens when you listen to 1438 01:28:22,410 --> 01:28:27,090 podcasts on 1.7x Let this up unless you become this guy 1439 01:28:27,180 --> 01:28:28,950 Unknown: pretty much entirely because we're smarter than the 1440 01:28:28,950 --> 01:28:32,370 other creatures now. I just laid out a chain of argument with a 1441 01:28:32,370 --> 01:28:36,570 lot of if this then this if this and this if this then this. I 1442 01:28:36,570 --> 01:28:43,020 know Elijah thinks that like we're all doomed for sure. I buy 1443 01:28:43,020 --> 01:28:46,170 his doom argument I buy the chicken in the logic. Like my P 1444 01:28:46,170 --> 01:28:49,470 Doom my probability of doom is like my bid 1445 01:28:52,770 --> 01:28:55,860 Dave Jones: is this was like isn't the like p values? Yes, 1446 01:28:55,860 --> 01:28:56,370 yes. 1447 01:28:56,430 --> 01:29:00,540 Adam Curry: Yes. P bracket open Doom bracket close his P doom. 1448 01:29:00,540 --> 01:29:02,100 Yes. And he has one more in here. 1449 01:29:02,160 --> 01:29:06,060 Unknown: Like my P doom. My probability of doom is like my 1450 01:29:06,060 --> 01:29:09,150 bid ask spread and that's pretty high. My bid ask spread of 1451 01:29:09,150 --> 01:29:14,910 uncertainty. But I would say it's like between, like five and 1452 01:29:14,910 --> 01:29:19,770 50. So there's a wide spread. I think Paul Cristiano 50 1453 01:29:19,770 --> 01:29:22,200 Adam Curry: glasses, so horrible. These guys. So 1454 01:29:22,200 --> 01:29:24,270 Dave Jones: they heard this, they heard this guy and they're 1455 01:29:24,270 --> 01:29:26,160 like, oh, man, that's our CEO. 1456 01:29:27,630 --> 01:29:31,200 Adam Curry: He's got a P doom of a bid ask spread of between five 1457 01:29:31,200 --> 01:29:34,200 and 50. I mean, this guy's awesome. I bet 1458 01:29:34,200 --> 01:29:37,650 Dave Jones: he plays video games during meetings. Oh, yeah. He's 1459 01:29:38,010 --> 01:29:38,490 a genius. 1460 01:29:38,520 --> 01:29:40,440 Adam Curry: And he's awesome on the pickleball court. 1461 01:29:44,460 --> 01:29:48,390 Dave Jones: Now, Stan was some podcast as I go down to negative 1462 01:29:48,540 --> 01:29:50,850 below one point. Yes, 1463 01:29:50,850 --> 01:29:55,530 Adam Curry: you need to slow back down. But this is what 1464 01:29:55,530 --> 01:29:57,870 we're dealing with man. And so 1465 01:29:58,920 --> 01:30:00,720 Dave Jones: there's nothing left. There's no Next, 1466 01:30:00,750 --> 01:30:03,300 Adam Curry: but that's a that's a really good really good point 1467 01:30:03,330 --> 01:30:06,210 about the hardware point you're at. That's the only place 1468 01:30:06,210 --> 01:30:10,770 money's being made. And Microsoft is probably sick of 1469 01:30:10,770 --> 01:30:15,660 paying and Vidya lots of money to buy up these, these these 1470 01:30:15,660 --> 01:30:18,570 chips and these machines, and then they pass that, you know, 1471 01:30:18,600 --> 01:30:22,650 so they're losing so much profit, passing that on to their 1472 01:30:22,680 --> 01:30:26,010 clients who we've duped into creating large light. And, you 1473 01:30:26,010 --> 01:30:29,940 know, it might work very well for for certain things inside an 1474 01:30:29,940 --> 01:30:33,150 organization. But I'll bet your company and I know what they do, 1475 01:30:33,270 --> 01:30:35,610 I bet you they're not going to they're not going to rely on any 1476 01:30:35,610 --> 01:30:39,390 of this crap to do anything meaningful. The 1477 01:30:39,390 --> 01:30:42,630 Dave Jones: way this stuff works is it always comes down through 1478 01:30:42,630 --> 01:30:45,630 your line of business apps, you don't ever do anything. It's 1479 01:30:45,630 --> 01:30:54,450 like blockchain. Want some upstream provider somewhere is 1480 01:30:54,450 --> 01:30:57,600 going to do something with this and to make their product a 1481 01:30:57,600 --> 01:31:01,800 little bit more user friendly. And that's it. Yeah, no, you 1482 01:31:01,800 --> 01:31:05,220 don't you don't develop a team in house to go do this in your 1483 01:31:05,580 --> 01:31:08,850 standard meno business. That's just not it's just not a thing. 1484 01:31:08,880 --> 01:31:09,300 They also 1485 01:31:09,300 --> 01:31:12,240 Adam Curry: I think they really blew it on that chat bot apps. 1486 01:31:12,750 --> 01:31:15,510 You know, that's all people see. Now. It's like, I opened up 1487 01:31:16,020 --> 01:31:19,080 WhatsApp the other day, because that's what most of my family 1488 01:31:19,080 --> 01:31:22,290 uses in Europe uses that instead of text messaging, and then they 1489 01:31:22,290 --> 01:31:26,250 got a chatbot in their AI. And it's actually not bad, you know, 1490 01:31:26,280 --> 01:31:29,220 just for for little stupid stuff. But that has no value to 1491 01:31:29,220 --> 01:31:36,630 people. It shows no value. And okay, I can see, and I can see 1492 01:31:36,630 --> 01:31:39,960 where you might have a better script for your call center. I 1493 01:31:39,960 --> 01:31:42,870 can see where you open up Word. It's Clippy on steroids, you 1494 01:31:42,870 --> 01:31:46,050 open up Word. And so Oh, I see you're trying to write your 1495 01:31:46,050 --> 01:31:49,860 resume, you know, would you like me to help you with that? 1496 01:31:51,000 --> 01:31:53,820 Dave Jones: The whole Yeah, the whole thing's dumb. And I think 1497 01:31:53,820 --> 01:31:57,660 they realize it now. They got their stock bumps out of it. All 1498 01:31:57,660 --> 01:32:00,660 of that's done. And now they need to actually make really 1499 01:32:00,690 --> 01:32:03,600 real money. And the only way they can do that is with 1500 01:32:03,600 --> 01:32:08,010 hardware. There's the software, the software upside of this is 1501 01:32:08,010 --> 01:32:10,380 done. Yes, I agree. 1502 01:32:10,410 --> 01:32:15,120 Adam Curry: I agree. You know, it's like descript, which, you 1503 01:32:15,120 --> 01:32:18,690 know, has all this AI stuff in it. Now the editing software? 1504 01:32:19,110 --> 01:32:24,510 Yeah. And so, you know, James has this, this put out of bad 1505 01:32:24,510 --> 01:32:29,490 news episode. And this is 32nd gap, and he picks up the very 1506 01:32:29,490 --> 01:32:32,070 normal, you know, you're recording and screwed up. I'm 1507 01:32:32,070 --> 01:32:35,220 gonna pick it up again. You know, why doesn't if the script 1508 01:32:35,220 --> 01:32:39,690 is really AI, why didn't it say we're rip? You left a 32nd gap 1509 01:32:39,690 --> 01:32:42,990 here? Shouldn't you check that out? This may be something 1510 01:32:42,990 --> 01:32:45,510 wrong. Where's the AI? 1511 01:32:46,020 --> 01:32:50,220 Dave Jones: I go back to the Adam curry metric of AI. is I 1512 01:32:50,220 --> 01:32:52,080 believe that when I no longer get spam. 1513 01:32:53,790 --> 01:32:58,170 Adam Curry: Yes, the Bayesian model of Thank you. When will 1514 01:32:58,170 --> 01:33:01,350 that day till that day is both you know, thank you very much. 1515 01:33:01,440 --> 01:33:05,370 Why that would be the perfect application of AI. I keep 1516 01:33:05,370 --> 01:33:07,260 forgetting my own rules. 1517 01:33:07,950 --> 01:33:12,300 Dave Jones: You forget yourself. You forget yourself this. Let's 1518 01:33:12,360 --> 01:33:14,490 Adam Curry: thanks some people. Dave, I know you got that hard 1519 01:33:14,490 --> 01:33:19,500 heart out in about 10 minutes. So I'm going to we only have a 1520 01:33:19,500 --> 01:33:23,820 couple of live booths because let's face it, we're working 1521 01:33:23,820 --> 01:33:26,970 through the holiday. after Thanksgiving. Yeah, right. We'll 1522 01:33:26,970 --> 01:33:29,520 get it's nice. You know, we'd love it Dave and I'd like to 1523 01:33:29,520 --> 01:33:32,130 catch up to that's really what it is. We're friends we catch up 1524 01:33:32,130 --> 01:33:38,610 once a week. Salty crayon just came in with 6222 It's the evil 1525 01:33:38,610 --> 01:33:44,760 rooster boost. Hope you all are having a great Thanksgiving 1526 01:33:44,760 --> 01:33:49,560 weekend PS Black Friday as a scam go podcasting. Yes. Huge 1527 01:33:49,560 --> 01:33:53,730 scam chat F 3330 stations. I would love to test an alternate 1528 01:33:53,730 --> 01:33:58,080 wallet in apps. But Alby seems to be the only one that wants to 1529 01:33:58,080 --> 01:34:03,480 play ball. I don't think so. I don't know. I think there's I 1530 01:34:03,480 --> 01:34:07,080 think there's others this is the whole point. Let's go straight 1531 01:34:07,080 --> 01:34:11,040 to our partners in crime. The lb guys and let's hear what the 1532 01:34:11,070 --> 01:34:14,730 where we're at where they're at. And I'll see in a minute Yeah, 1533 01:34:14,730 --> 01:34:17,910 especially knowing that you know that green light may be entered 1534 01:34:17,910 --> 01:34:21,090 in already doing stuff with them. Let's Let's ask them 1535 01:34:21,090 --> 01:34:25,860 what's the future boys? How are we doing? Then we get a 1536 01:34:25,860 --> 01:34:32,430 beautiful 17,776 a mega freedom booths from blueberry. Nice 1537 01:34:32,430 --> 01:34:35,850 coming in the pod verse in 2020 I was fired from CATS the 1538 01:34:35,850 --> 01:34:40,530 musical on tour because of COVID out of that came behind the 1539 01:34:40,530 --> 01:34:44,460 scheme's BTS three years later I find myself in a similar 1540 01:34:44,460 --> 01:34:48,360 position. I was thrown from the moving vehicle that is the toxic 1541 01:34:48,360 --> 01:34:52,860 bureaucracy and landed at the gates of value. I will make my 1542 01:34:52,860 --> 01:34:57,450 worlds of live entertainment and PC 2.0 collide in spectacular 1543 01:34:57,450 --> 01:35:02,850 fashion. He is. That's interesting. I didn't know about 1544 01:35:02,850 --> 01:35:06,930 that. That he was. I would love to know more about what he was 1545 01:35:06,930 --> 01:35:08,730 doing with cats the musical 1546 01:35:09,570 --> 01:35:11,820 Dave Jones: on the scheme's. It's better than cats. 1547 01:35:12,420 --> 01:35:16,980 Adam Curry: It's hell yeah. I have a feeling he's working on 1548 01:35:16,980 --> 01:35:21,480 value for value theater show streaming split kit QR codes. 1549 01:35:21,540 --> 01:35:25,770 He's He's figured stuff out. He's he has a vision he has 1550 01:35:25,800 --> 01:35:28,230 blueberry has a vision. I'd love to know more about it. 1551 01:35:29,070 --> 01:35:31,170 Dave Jones: Excellent. Get him. We'll get him on the show. We 1552 01:35:31,170 --> 01:35:33,930 Adam Curry: need to get everybody on the show. We just 1553 01:35:33,930 --> 01:35:36,450 reverse it. You and I sit on the stream. Everyone else talk. 1554 01:35:37,170 --> 01:35:43,440 We'll just listen to Dovid us bar says blue.com 4000 SATs. 1555 01:35:43,440 --> 01:35:49,620 Sorry, I'm low on SATs. Okay, bro. Just wanna you? Yes, I just 1556 01:35:49,620 --> 01:35:53,190 want to say thank you for the D duping Dave. Also, is there any 1557 01:35:53,190 --> 01:35:56,070 reason we can't already established a unique constraint 1558 01:35:56,070 --> 01:35:58,980 on podcast goods in the PII database? 1559 01:36:01,320 --> 01:36:03,420 Dave Jones: Yes. Okay. 1560 01:36:03,420 --> 01:36:05,280 Adam Curry: Is that the answer? Or is there more? Is there more 1561 01:36:05,280 --> 01:36:05,850 to it? 1562 01:36:06,510 --> 01:36:09,870 Dave Jones: That is that is the answer. Because if if two 1563 01:36:09,870 --> 01:36:17,370 podcasts have the same good, then we need to know about. We 1564 01:36:17,370 --> 01:36:19,920 need to know which one is right. And if you just put a unique 1565 01:36:19,920 --> 01:36:25,620 constraint, you may get the you may get the wrong one. We have 1566 01:36:25,620 --> 01:36:28,440 to We it has to be resolved. That's That's what I mean. Like, 1567 01:36:28,440 --> 01:36:31,080 yeah, you have to know that there. There's a conflict and 1568 01:36:31,080 --> 01:36:35,100 then resolve that conflict. It's not enough just to ignore one of 1569 01:36:35,100 --> 01:36:35,430 them. 1570 01:36:35,640 --> 01:36:36,540 Adam Curry: So what do we do? 1571 01:36:38,880 --> 01:36:39,630 Dave Jones: We resolve them. 1572 01:36:41,130 --> 01:36:43,320 Adam Curry: This is where AI would come in handy. But I guess 1573 01:36:43,320 --> 01:36:45,900 you and I will just do it by hand for now. Let's just make 1574 01:36:45,900 --> 01:36:48,690 chips. Blueberry was the head electrician for cats the 1575 01:36:48,690 --> 01:36:52,380 musical. Oh, nice. Cool. Very cool. That 1576 01:36:52,380 --> 01:36:53,520 Dave Jones: is a cool job. Yes. 1577 01:36:53,580 --> 01:36:56,910 Adam Curry: Did I tell you that I met Steven B in person at the 1578 01:36:56,910 --> 01:36:57,420 meetup. 1579 01:36:58,230 --> 01:37:01,590 Dave Jones: Oh, yeah. He doesn't leave his house. He did. He 1580 01:37:01,590 --> 01:37:05,010 Adam Curry: came to the Austin. No agenda meetup was great. I 1581 01:37:05,010 --> 01:37:07,770 couldn't stop hogging the list. I keep saying Come here. Let me 1582 01:37:07,770 --> 01:37:11,430 hug you again. I kept this guy this guy without this guy. 1583 01:37:11,460 --> 01:37:15,210 Nothing will be happening right now. Sounds great to see. So 1584 01:37:15,210 --> 01:37:18,450 there's a huge boost here. But that was from 14 hours ago. So 1585 01:37:18,450 --> 01:37:20,820 why don't you go down our list and let's see if it pops up on 1586 01:37:20,820 --> 01:37:22,500 yours. Oh, 1587 01:37:22,740 --> 01:37:25,950 Dave Jones: yeah, see? Well, I've got some get some paper. 1588 01:37:25,950 --> 01:37:29,790 Hey, pals, Morris. We got Marco from overcast. $500 Marco. 1589 01:37:29,790 --> 01:37:31,440 Adam Curry: Thanks. Oh, thank you. 1590 01:37:32,220 --> 01:37:35,550 Unknown: 20 is Blaze Omaha. Ambala appreciate your 1591 01:37:35,550 --> 01:37:41,040 Dave Jones: brother. In and out. He is. He is stable. Every month 1592 01:37:41,070 --> 01:37:45,510 forever. Thank you, Marco. And we got the boys from Buzzsprout 1593 01:37:45,510 --> 01:37:46,800 $500. 1594 01:37:51,180 --> 01:37:54,690 Adam Curry: Bala and of course they were the big push behind 1595 01:37:55,260 --> 01:37:58,830 the pod roll by them. You see what see what it does when you 1596 01:37:59,190 --> 01:38:03,600 got a big a big guys like that and you go from your legacy to 1597 01:38:03,630 --> 01:38:08,280 modernity, boom stuff starts to happen is good. And 1598 01:38:08,280 --> 01:38:11,130 Dave Jones: I promised them that if they did if they built it. 1599 01:38:12,000 --> 01:38:15,300 Yeah. Will you do the database porn? Yeah, we did. We got got 1600 01:38:15,300 --> 01:38:17,400 that done. And we're gonna do more. So 1601 01:38:17,430 --> 01:38:19,080 Adam Curry: are they are they going to do stuff with it? 1602 01:38:19,080 --> 01:38:22,560 They're going to surface that on on their own website. I 1603 01:38:22,560 --> 01:38:25,110 Dave Jones: mean, they already do that. It's already shout 1604 01:38:25,230 --> 01:38:29,580 individual pages. Yeah, perfect. Perfect. Get some get some 1605 01:38:29,580 --> 01:38:36,630 boosts on this boost giving. We've got the gene been 20 to 1606 01:38:36,630 --> 01:38:39,870 22. Through cast magic. He says you talk about dividing the 1607 01:38:39,870 --> 01:38:43,560 podcast index Allah I Potter, it's almost seems it almost 1608 01:38:43,560 --> 01:38:46,680 seems like the DNS analogy is spot on. Let each podcast host 1609 01:38:46,680 --> 01:38:49,350 be authoritative. For the portion authoritative for the 1610 01:38:49,350 --> 01:38:52,650 portion of the index that contains the fees they host. So 1611 01:38:52,650 --> 01:38:55,290 if hosters will be responsible for their slice of the index, 1612 01:38:55,290 --> 01:39:00,450 just like someone self hosting DNS servers. That's sort of the 1613 01:39:00,450 --> 01:39:02,550 idea. I don't know about necessarily the host committee, 1614 01:39:02,550 --> 01:39:04,710 but just people stepping up to do this. Here's 1615 01:39:04,890 --> 01:39:09,120 Adam Curry: this slice. Here's a weird thing. What if there was a 1616 01:39:09,120 --> 01:39:14,430 top level domain, which do we know is a very complicated thing 1617 01:39:14,430 --> 01:39:18,150 and it takes a lot of money to be approved as a top level 1618 01:39:18,150 --> 01:39:21,630 domain. But this this is something that podcast hosting 1619 01:39:21,630 --> 01:39:25,200 companies could actually do together. The top level domain 1620 01:39:25,380 --> 01:39:29,970 there, the registrar, they make it affordable, or at least self 1621 01:39:29,970 --> 01:39:33,330 sustaining, not trying to rip everybody off like an AI with 1622 01:39:33,330 --> 01:39:39,420 respect like.fm Come on. Yeah, 90 bucks, but that becomes the 1623 01:39:39,450 --> 01:39:45,120 the effective GUID. Or whatever we need whatever we need, we 1624 01:39:45,120 --> 01:39:48,270 literally put it into DNS is that a crazy thought? That 1625 01:39:48,270 --> 01:39:51,930 Dave Jones: is a fantastic idea. Actually. That's a great idea. 1626 01:39:52,590 --> 01:39:56,190 Like if, if they came together in sort of a coalition format, I 1627 01:39:56,190 --> 01:39:58,530 mean, they've already got the PSP or whatever they could do. 1628 01:39:59,010 --> 01:40:02,370 They could come together. In do a TLD Yep, 1629 01:40:02,400 --> 01:40:04,800 Adam Curry: you can do your verification through that you 1630 01:40:04,800 --> 01:40:08,790 can do it, make it make it basically a part of your hosting 1631 01:40:08,790 --> 01:40:12,150 service. Oh, and you get this name, you get this, this 1632 01:40:12,180 --> 01:40:16,530 subdomain or you get this domain name dot, you know, podcast or 1633 01:40:16,530 --> 01:40:20,400 whatever whatever it is. Great idea. Isn't that the kind of the 1634 01:40:20,400 --> 01:40:22,980 solution then we use the infrastructure of the internet. 1635 01:40:23,400 --> 01:40:30,540 We have the the safety, the confidence of the hosting 1636 01:40:30,540 --> 01:40:35,970 companies Guess we trust them. And also make it possible for 1637 01:40:35,970 --> 01:40:39,030 Smalling hosts or companies to come in and be a part of that, 1638 01:40:39,330 --> 01:40:41,100 you know, don't make it exclusionary. 1639 01:40:41,910 --> 01:40:44,790 Dave Jones: It's got to be doable, because automatic did it 1640 01:40:44,790 --> 01:40:49,170 with dot blog? Yes, I mean, in that, and I don't think they 1641 01:40:49,170 --> 01:40:55,110 would have. I mean, if you spread the sort of the cost and 1642 01:40:55,110 --> 01:41:00,090 the the administration across a coalition of companies, yeah, 1643 01:41:00,480 --> 01:41:03,660 surely that's an absorbable cost. It's not too burdensome. I 1644 01:41:03,660 --> 01:41:05,160 would think. I 1645 01:41:05,940 --> 01:41:08,250 Adam Curry: think of all the things we could put into that. 1646 01:41:08,790 --> 01:41:12,060 Dave Jones: Yeah. For real. That's a super idea. Yeah. Well, 1647 01:41:12,060 --> 01:41:12,300 there 1648 01:41:12,300 --> 01:41:14,820 Adam Curry: it is. There's the one idea for the day finally we 1649 01:41:14,820 --> 01:41:15,330 got came 1650 01:41:15,330 --> 01:41:18,600 Dave Jones: in the end it came in the donation segments. Oh, my 1651 01:41:18,600 --> 01:41:27,600 God. Yes. See Jean being 2022. He says, By the way, I love what 1652 01:41:27,600 --> 01:41:30,090 you love that you're driving forward on the activity club 1653 01:41:30,090 --> 01:41:31,500 stuff, Dave? Yes. Thank you, man. 1654 01:41:31,620 --> 01:41:34,320 Adam Curry: By the way, Ice Cube Ice Cube soup says Welcome to my 1655 01:41:34,320 --> 01:41:38,040 suggestion from two years ago. Okay, man. All right, man. 1656 01:41:38,040 --> 01:41:41,970 Sorry. Well, thank you. Ice Cube soup. Your idea? Your idea? 1657 01:41:43,200 --> 01:41:44,850 Dave Jones: We'll give you credit. Yeah, the book No 1658 01:41:44,850 --> 01:41:49,530 problem. Comic Strip blogger. Oh, wait, no. He came in 1659 01:41:49,530 --> 01:41:50,580 earlier. Let me see. He 1660 01:41:50,580 --> 01:41:54,210 Adam Curry: did. He's Yeah, he had to do. He's got his big AI 1661 01:41:54,210 --> 01:41:55,590 test. Oh, 1662 01:41:55,590 --> 01:41:57,990 Dave Jones: yeah. That's right. So I'll come back to the blog to 1663 01:41:57,990 --> 01:42:03,420 the CSBs. Long Yank 2345 through podcasts guru says AC frequency 1664 01:42:03,420 --> 01:42:06,210 boost. I used to be in the security industry and one 1665 01:42:06,210 --> 01:42:09,780 manufacturer base the alarm system clock on either 50 or 60 1666 01:42:09,780 --> 01:42:13,020 Hertz. Many customers, particularly rural ones often 1667 01:42:13,020 --> 01:42:16,110 complain their clock was wrong. And the manufacturer told us it 1668 01:42:16,110 --> 01:42:18,690 was because the power grid frequency was not exact go 1669 01:42:18,690 --> 01:42:19,470 podcasting. 1670 01:42:21,900 --> 01:42:23,760 Adam Curry: About that. Yeah. Yeah, 1671 01:42:23,760 --> 01:42:27,390 Dave Jones: that seems like a sketchy thing to do. I agree. 1672 01:42:29,700 --> 01:42:32,520 Bill Prague, he's a hive guy. 2000 SATs through founding. He 1673 01:42:32,520 --> 01:42:35,760 says you are already using a decentralized database with 1674 01:42:35,760 --> 01:42:38,970 unique identifiers as usernames. You are just not using it for 1675 01:42:38,970 --> 01:42:42,600 unique identifiers. Heard no complaints about pod things. So 1676 01:42:42,600 --> 01:42:48,870 I'm assuming it works just fine. Insert hive joke. Thank you, 1677 01:42:48,870 --> 01:42:54,390 Bill. Kevin Bay 11 722. Through pod verse. He says, Here are the 1678 01:42:54,390 --> 01:42:57,900 stats I received for hosting podcasts on my IPFS node along 1679 01:42:57,900 --> 01:43:01,320 with the extra 10k as a thanks for everything you do. 1680 01:43:02,340 --> 01:43:04,590 Adam Curry: Thank you. Thank you very much, man. That's kind of 1681 01:43:04,590 --> 01:43:04,830 you. 1682 01:43:06,420 --> 01:43:09,000 Dave Jones: Oh, Jean being came in with a 1337 through pod 1683 01:43:09,000 --> 01:43:12,240 versus as Dave, regarding monitoring of the index, do you 1684 01:43:12,240 --> 01:43:15,000 have a specific endpoint you would like watched? In the last 1685 01:43:15,000 --> 01:43:17,040 show? It kind of sounded like you had something specific in 1686 01:43:17,040 --> 01:43:19,650 mind asking you because I think odds are good that I can do this 1687 01:43:19,650 --> 01:43:28,680 monitoring for you. I would monitor the the iTunes look up 1688 01:43:28,680 --> 01:43:31,860 endpoint. That's an open endpoint that doesn't need an 1689 01:43:31,860 --> 01:43:38,220 API key. And that will just just pick a podcast hours or 1690 01:43:38,220 --> 01:43:42,600 something. And just do a look up on it every few minutes. Hit it 1691 01:43:42,630 --> 01:43:47,310 and see if it if everything's kosher, right. Yeah, that's a 1692 01:43:47,310 --> 01:43:52,050 good one. Thank you, Jean. Appreciate it. Oh, see we got 1693 01:43:52,050 --> 01:43:56,100 Oh, our podcast. 500,000 SATs. 1694 01:43:56,730 --> 01:43:57,540 Adam Curry: Oh, hold 1695 01:43:57,540 --> 01:44:04,200 Unknown: on a second. Bala. Shot Carla 20 is Blaze on am Paula. 1696 01:44:04,320 --> 01:44:06,480 Adam Curry: That's nice. I gotta go check the channel liquidity 1697 01:44:06,480 --> 01:44:06,870 now. 1698 01:44:07,710 --> 01:44:11,730 Dave Jones: Yeah, very heavy. David Adam, I heard you're 1699 01:44:11,730 --> 01:44:14,370 pleased prospectively find those pesky duplicates in the 1700 01:44:14,370 --> 01:44:17,160 database. And I'm eager to try and solve this with my AR 1701 01:44:17,160 --> 01:44:20,820 skills. And my first check. I did not find any duplicates 1702 01:44:20,820 --> 01:44:24,300 based on URLs. But should I be using other attributes to define 1703 01:44:24,300 --> 01:44:27,570 duplicate entries? My quick look at dupes. Based on podcast 1704 01:44:27,570 --> 01:44:33,360 gewiss guid was shocking to say the least. Yes, so you'll never 1705 01:44:33,360 --> 01:44:35,820 find a duplicate URL because those are unique. There's a 1706 01:44:35,820 --> 01:44:41,490 unique constraint. Right? What you can look at is a combination 1707 01:44:41,520 --> 01:44:52,080 of title and episodes. So if you find a podcast that has some 1708 01:44:52,080 --> 01:44:59,550 threshold of the same title, and the same in a in a similar count 1709 01:44:59,550 --> 01:45:05,490 of EPA So titles that both match. So something like, well 1710 01:45:05,490 --> 01:45:08,430 in the downloadable database, what you're looking at is the 1711 01:45:08,430 --> 01:45:12,390 only episode title you'll see is like the most recent one. So you 1712 01:45:12,390 --> 01:45:16,140 can see what the most recent. I'm sorry, it's not tied on. 1713 01:45:16,320 --> 01:45:18,900 Excuse me. That's episode enclosure. 1714 01:45:19,410 --> 01:45:23,310 Adam Curry: Enclosure enclosure. Oh, yeah, that's the one. So 1715 01:45:23,310 --> 01:45:27,360 Dave Jones: if you see conflicts there also check for there's a 1716 01:45:27,360 --> 01:45:31,020 thing in there called hash a see hash. There's a few different 1717 01:45:31,020 --> 01:45:33,030 hashes in there, check for conflicts on those check for 1718 01:45:33,030 --> 01:45:38,730 conflicts on image art URLs. Blood look looks look around 1719 01:45:38,730 --> 01:45:41,130 through there, you'll find a good combination that will give 1720 01:45:41,130 --> 01:45:45,330 you clues as to as to good conflicts. Yeah, thank you for 1721 01:45:45,330 --> 01:45:48,210 doing that. And they like and paying us for it. Thank you so 1722 01:45:48,210 --> 01:45:48,600 much. 1723 01:45:49,740 --> 01:45:51,690 Adam Curry: That's that's a beautiful baller boosts man 1724 01:45:51,690 --> 01:45:53,910 thank you. I haven't seen one of those in a while. I love that. 1725 01:45:54,210 --> 01:45:57,060 Dave Jones: Yeah, that's awesome. Thank you brother. And 1726 01:45:57,180 --> 01:46:01,020 Sister blogger 30 3015 through fountain he says how to Bitcoin 1727 01:46:01,020 --> 01:46:05,850 bros. Madam. This is this is the last booster gram for me for 1728 01:46:05,850 --> 01:46:09,930 2023 I'll be back in 2024 Yo, CSB. Yo 1729 01:46:09,930 --> 01:46:14,220 Adam Curry: CSB. Thank you so much. And do you have any any 1730 01:46:14,220 --> 01:46:15,120 monthlies? Yeah, 1731 01:46:15,180 --> 01:46:19,020 Dave Jones: yeah, we got we got a Trevor and Zeno wars $5 He's 1732 01:46:19,050 --> 01:46:25,950 all see. Michael Goggin. $5 Charles current $5 Sean McCune 1733 01:46:26,010 --> 01:46:29,940 $20 Thank you, Sean. Christopher Raymer $10 Thank you, Chris 1734 01:46:30,480 --> 01:46:34,860 Cohen, glotzbach $5, James Sullivan $10. And Jordan 1735 01:46:34,860 --> 01:46:39,150 Dunnville $10. And we also got a Kevin Bay donation from the 1736 01:46:39,150 --> 01:46:43,590 endowment fund $3.54. Nice. He says monthly donation from the 1737 01:46:43,590 --> 01:46:45,390 endowment Happy Thanksgiving, Happy 1738 01:46:45,390 --> 01:46:47,610 Adam Curry: Thanksgiving to you Happy Thanksgiving to everybody 1739 01:46:47,610 --> 01:46:50,910 who supports Well, everybody in general, but everybody supports 1740 01:46:50,910 --> 01:46:54,750 us in one of the three T's, which is time, talent, and 1741 01:46:54,750 --> 01:46:57,600 treasure. And we really appreciate that if you'd like to 1742 01:46:57,600 --> 01:46:59,940 support the project. If you'd like to support everything that 1743 01:46:59,940 --> 01:47:03,420 happens here, including the board meeting, go to podcasts 1744 01:47:03,420 --> 01:47:06,660 index.org. At the bottom there, you'll find two red donate 1745 01:47:06,660 --> 01:47:10,350 buttons. One is for your Fiat fun coupons through Pay Pal, the 1746 01:47:10,350 --> 01:47:12,810 other one for unchained. But really we'd like you to go to 1747 01:47:12,810 --> 01:47:16,470 podcast apps.com, get a value for value podcast app, Fill her 1748 01:47:16,470 --> 01:47:19,980 up and shoot it over to us. We do note with your numerology, we 1749 01:47:19,980 --> 01:47:22,620 love all of that stuff. And we really appreciate your support 1750 01:47:22,920 --> 01:47:26,070 of the entire project and the podcast. And just before we go, 1751 01:47:27,450 --> 01:47:30,750 because I know Tom and Kevin, listen, these are the right 1752 01:47:30,750 --> 01:47:34,680 guys, by the way, they I just when we came in, yes, Ice Cube 1753 01:47:34,680 --> 01:47:37,500 soup. The DNS ID has been discussed over and over and over 1754 01:47:37,500 --> 01:47:42,960 again, what's new here is the pod Standards Project. This is 1755 01:47:42,990 --> 01:47:47,370 this is the group, this is what the group can do to have a TLD 1756 01:47:47,640 --> 01:47:51,300 to communicate amongst each other. So you know, whatever the 1757 01:47:51,300 --> 01:47:54,420 reg and it costs, like 100 or 200 grand, you know, I think to 1758 01:47:54,420 --> 01:47:57,360 get one of these, there's and you have to be checked, you have 1759 01:47:57,360 --> 01:48:01,170 to be a proper organization. You got to you know, turn to left 1760 01:48:01,170 --> 01:48:05,220 and cough and there's all this stuff you got to do. I have a 1761 01:48:05,220 --> 01:48:09,090 feeling that this is a very interesting idea for this would 1762 01:48:09,090 --> 01:48:12,960 be the real quote unquote, industry. And and it will be no 1763 01:48:12,960 --> 01:48:15,630 I'm gonna have a company like Buzzsprout and have some of the 1764 01:48:15,630 --> 01:48:18,870 bigger guys all participate in this will be fantastic. What 1765 01:48:18,870 --> 01:48:23,580 exactly Dave, but at first glance, because the whole point 1766 01:48:23,580 --> 01:48:26,520 of this is we want we have special textfields that we have, 1767 01:48:26,670 --> 01:48:29,640 what are the things we want to centralize centralized through 1768 01:48:29,640 --> 01:48:34,440 this distributed DNS system? Is it the GUID is I mean, what are 1769 01:48:34,440 --> 01:48:35,940 all the things we need to put in there? 1770 01:48:37,560 --> 01:48:39,570 Dave Jones: I think this could replace I think this could 1771 01:48:39,570 --> 01:48:42,840 become the GUID just becomes the good. All right. Yeah, that your 1772 01:48:42,840 --> 01:48:48,570 TLD I mean, your podcast gets a to gets a gets a domain, you 1773 01:48:48,570 --> 01:48:53,310 know, behind the schemes gets behind the schemes dot podcast. 1774 01:48:53,790 --> 01:48:58,290 And that's just now you're good. And we would put in a TXT record 1775 01:48:58,650 --> 01:49:00,600 where the feed URL is. 1776 01:49:00,780 --> 01:49:02,640 Adam Curry: And can we do verification through this as 1777 01:49:02,640 --> 01:49:05,040 well? I guess that would be a simple thing. Oh, for sure. 1778 01:49:05,040 --> 01:49:05,280 Yeah. 1779 01:49:06,990 --> 01:49:09,000 Dave Jones: Yeah, you could put a signature in there some sort 1780 01:49:09,000 --> 01:49:13,860 of demark type type setup. But instead of email, as you know, 1781 01:49:13,860 --> 01:49:19,440 this is solving it for for podcast verification. I think 1782 01:49:19,440 --> 01:49:20,310 it's does this 1783 01:49:20,370 --> 01:49:23,400 Adam Curry: in fact, is this a part of the Fed ification of the 1784 01:49:23,400 --> 01:49:25,770 index as well? Oh, absolutely. 1785 01:49:26,310 --> 01:49:29,850 Dave Jones: Yeah, absolutely. Is this is like, a fantastic way to 1786 01:49:29,910 --> 01:49:30,420 edify 1787 01:49:30,900 --> 01:49:35,070 Adam Curry: the main thing is, it has to be an org, that can't 1788 01:49:35,070 --> 01:49:40,140 be jacked by somebody. You know, that's the main thing. It would 1789 01:49:40,140 --> 01:49:44,700 have to be some kind of a real nonprofit that does this. And 1790 01:49:44,700 --> 01:49:46,950 this is where everybody can get in there and have their board 1791 01:49:46,950 --> 01:49:50,640 meetings and have all your important hats on and stuff. So 1792 01:49:50,640 --> 01:49:53,190 we solve a whole bunch of problems. Yeah. 1793 01:49:54,210 --> 01:49:58,230 Dave Jones: I love this idea. I really hope. I will be advocate 1794 01:49:58,230 --> 01:50:01,950 I will be an advocate for this. I want this to happen. Great. 1795 01:50:02,250 --> 01:50:04,440 Adam Curry: Thank you very much chat room for being with us. For 1796 01:50:04,440 --> 01:50:07,620 those you in America on this holiday, although maybe we're 1797 01:50:07,620 --> 01:50:10,590 just a very welcome distraction for you because who wants to 1798 01:50:10,590 --> 01:50:11,850 really talk to your relatives? I 1799 01:50:11,850 --> 01:50:14,370 Dave Jones: mean, thanks for dare to Darren T for like, yes. 1800 01:50:14,850 --> 01:50:15,210 Darren 1801 01:50:15,210 --> 01:50:17,250 Adam Curry: and Jean. Thank you guys very much. Yeah, I think 1802 01:50:17,250 --> 01:50:20,460 Darren and Jean, thank you so much. And I'll get my own server 1803 01:50:20,460 --> 01:50:23,610 up and running. Dave, Happy Thanksgiving, my brother. 1804 01:50:24,120 --> 01:50:27,240 Dave Jones: Happy Thanksgiving to you. Have a good weekend. 1805 01:50:27,570 --> 01:50:27,870 Yes. 1806 01:50:27,870 --> 01:50:29,460 Adam Curry: Have a great weekend, everybody. 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