1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:05,010 Adam Curry: Oh, podcasting 2.0 for December 22 2023, episode 2 00:00:05,010 --> 00:00:11,700 160/4 choice. Well hello Better late than never. Hello, 3 00:00:11,700 --> 00:00:15,510 everybody. It's Tim once again for podcasting, the official 4 00:00:16,140 --> 00:00:19,800 board meeting of everything going on a podcast today and in 5 00:00:19,800 --> 00:00:23,130 the future we are in fact, the only boardroom that has red 6 00:00:23,130 --> 00:00:27,090 velvet beanbags after dark. Everything happened at podcast 7 00:00:27,090 --> 00:00:31,260 index.org The namespace all the goings on at podcast index dot 8 00:00:31,260 --> 00:00:33,990 social. I'm Adam curry here in the heart of the Texas Hill 9 00:00:33,990 --> 00:00:37,740 Country and in Alabama. The man who's got a big stream deck and 10 00:00:37,740 --> 00:00:40,620 knows how to use it. Say hello to my friend on the other end 11 00:00:40,620 --> 00:00:45,330 ladies and gentlemen, Mr. Jones. 12 00:00:46,140 --> 00:00:48,810 Dave Jones: Oh, I've got the sweetest rig. Do 13 00:00:50,430 --> 00:00:54,090 Adam Curry: you have the sweetest rig? Yes, your rig is 14 00:00:54,090 --> 00:00:55,770 so sweet. That 15 00:00:56,370 --> 00:01:00,630 Dave Jones: started the stream the stream deck courtesy of Adam 16 00:01:00,660 --> 00:01:04,950 curry Christmas present app so right in front of the road 17 00:01:04,950 --> 00:01:10,110 caster duo, which now the road caster do is elevated on on a 18 00:01:10,110 --> 00:01:11,370 stand. Ooh, 19 00:01:11,370 --> 00:01:13,440 Adam Curry: it's like it's got his own special little spot. 20 00:01:13,440 --> 00:01:17,400 Well, hold on. I have a I have some special here on my own 21 00:01:17,400 --> 00:01:22,620 stream deck. That's right, everybody. Welcome. board room 22 00:01:22,620 --> 00:01:29,370 after dark. That's right, baby. Enjoy our red velvet beanbags 23 00:01:29,370 --> 00:01:32,340 over the air. We got David sitting down there with his big 24 00:01:32,340 --> 00:01:38,040 stream deck. And down under. You know he's upside down. Ladies 25 00:01:38,040 --> 00:01:41,370 and gentlemen say hello to our friend on the way of the end. 26 00:01:41,370 --> 00:01:42,480 Mr. Kyron down. 27 00:01:43,140 --> 00:01:45,030 Kyrin Down: Hey, I'm buzzing 28 00:01:46,620 --> 00:01:48,360 Adam Curry: you're buzzing you've got you got to chill, 29 00:01:48,360 --> 00:01:51,270 man. You're in the boardroom after dark. It's like we got the 30 00:01:51,270 --> 00:01:56,010 porn music going. It's like, you know. Challenge Challenge 31 00:01:56,010 --> 00:01:56,820 downtown. 32 00:01:57,420 --> 00:01:59,940 Dave Jones: I'm so happy right now. I was hoping that you would 33 00:01:59,940 --> 00:02:03,540 get some after dark music. I hear bones. 34 00:02:05,250 --> 00:02:08,850 Adam Curry: And I see the boardroom is Hello boardroom. 35 00:02:08,880 --> 00:02:11,940 That's right. Steven be kicking back. That's right, man. That's 36 00:02:11,940 --> 00:02:13,800 right. Want to talk? Way to go? 37 00:02:16,320 --> 00:02:19,140 Dave Jones: How hard is it in Australia current is it 1000 38 00:02:19,140 --> 00:02:19,710 degrees. 39 00:02:20,100 --> 00:02:22,320 Kyrin Down: At this very moment. It's not too bad. We've had a 40 00:02:22,320 --> 00:02:26,130 bit of rain coming. So it's I don't know, like high 20. 41 00:02:26,130 --> 00:02:28,110 Something like that. Are you wearing? I don't know what 42 00:02:28,110 --> 00:02:28,830 that's Fahrenheit. 43 00:02:28,890 --> 00:02:30,990 Adam Curry: Are you embrace Vegas or where are you African? 44 00:02:31,590 --> 00:02:34,110 Kyrin Down: I'm definitely embrace Vegas. Yes. Yeah. So 45 00:02:34,110 --> 00:02:37,320 Adam Curry: he is a heatwave there. Yeah, yeah. I 46 00:02:37,320 --> 00:02:39,870 Kyrin Down: mean, it definitely was feeling a bit it's mostly 47 00:02:39,870 --> 00:02:41,760 muggy. It's just the the humidity. 48 00:02:42,540 --> 00:02:45,300 Adam Curry: Weird, man. It's like, Christmas must just be 49 00:02:45,300 --> 00:02:46,170 messed up. 50 00:02:47,940 --> 00:02:50,700 Kyrin Down: I've never I've never had a white Christmas or a 51 00:02:50,700 --> 00:02:55,830 cold Christmas. I've always been in a I was in Colombia for one 52 00:02:55,830 --> 00:02:57,990 of them, which was just motto. Yeah. 53 00:02:57,990 --> 00:03:00,270 Adam Curry: Hear about those white Christmases in Colombia? 54 00:03:00,660 --> 00:03:02,100 Yeah. 55 00:03:03,300 --> 00:03:07,980 Kyrin Down: It actually took about four hours from me landing 56 00:03:07,980 --> 00:03:13,110 there to me being offered cocaine. So it was a little 57 00:03:13,110 --> 00:03:13,620 slow. 58 00:03:15,300 --> 00:03:16,680 Adam Curry: You must not have looked the part. 59 00:03:19,620 --> 00:03:22,320 Dave Jones: Oh, yeah, that's the thing. Cotton Gin. 20 b 20 60 00:03:22,320 --> 00:03:27,600 degrees C is 68 Fahrenheit. And the screwy thing about about 61 00:03:27,630 --> 00:03:32,580 centigrade is that like every point one goes up, like 5000 62 00:03:32,580 --> 00:03:36,750 degrees. So like, when you go from 20 to like, 20.8 year it 63 00:03:36,750 --> 00:03:38,550 like, you know, you're boiling water. 64 00:03:39,810 --> 00:03:41,730 Kyrin Down: It's confusing. I'd like to Kelvin when we're in 65 00:03:41,760 --> 00:03:43,050 high school doing 66 00:03:46,710 --> 00:03:48,870 Dave Jones: hanging out inside stores. Are you Yes. 67 00:03:51,120 --> 00:03:53,130 Adam Curry: This is our year end. Are we going to do one more 68 00:03:53,130 --> 00:03:56,400 before before the end of the year? Dave? I mean, we're done. 69 00:03:56,400 --> 00:03:58,980 We're not gonna do one next next Friday. What is next Friday. 70 00:04:00,360 --> 00:04:00,990 Dave Jones: Good with next? 71 00:04:01,140 --> 00:04:03,180 Adam Curry: Why are we doing the specialist thing with chyron 72 00:04:03,210 --> 00:04:04,350 right now why are we doing 73 00:04:04,350 --> 00:04:06,720 Dave Jones: this? Because Karen's Great. Okay. 74 00:04:08,280 --> 00:04:11,940 Adam Curry: Yes, Karen. Karen bore you by by any chance able 75 00:04:11,940 --> 00:04:16,590 to watch the V four V Live concert? Down Under? 76 00:04:17,039 --> 00:04:21,539 Kyrin Down: Yes and no. So I caught the firt the first one 77 00:04:21,539 --> 00:04:24,749 the Bitcoin the one where it was where it was just Ainsley. So 78 00:04:24,749 --> 00:04:27,629 yeah, definitely was able to participate in that, funnily 79 00:04:27,629 --> 00:04:32,039 enough, right at this moment I had organized to chat with so TJ 80 00:04:32,039 --> 00:04:36,689 the raffle Oh, sorry, for this exact time. And then you guys 81 00:04:36,989 --> 00:04:39,959 message so I was like, oh, TJ Do you mind putting it a day 82 00:04:39,959 --> 00:04:40,349 earlier? 83 00:04:40,530 --> 00:04:42,540 Dave Jones: Oh, we bought TJ 84 00:04:44,280 --> 00:04:46,950 Kyrin Down: Day a day earlier so we were actually recording that 85 00:04:47,010 --> 00:04:49,950 as a Italy's second one was going on. So no, I didn't. I 86 00:04:49,950 --> 00:04:50,130 didn't 87 00:04:50,130 --> 00:04:54,270 Adam Curry: catch the so so sir. TJ the raffle is going to be on 88 00:04:54,780 --> 00:04:58,680 the mere mortals podcast. Correct? Yeah. Nice. I love that 89 00:04:58,680 --> 00:05:00,720 guy. I don't even know what it looks like. I love that whole 90 00:05:00,720 --> 00:05:02,160 family. There's a lot of them. 91 00:05:02,850 --> 00:05:04,170 Kyrin Down: There's so many like 92 00:05:04,170 --> 00:05:07,260 Adam Curry: a million doorbells. That's, there's so I got an 93 00:05:07,260 --> 00:05:11,790 email from Tom door from like, who is Tom? Like? I know, like 94 00:05:11,790 --> 00:05:16,650 Curtis. I know TJ, then you know, what's the what's the dog? 95 00:05:16,980 --> 00:05:23,280 What's the kid? The kids name? J dog J dog J dog? Yeah. Well, 96 00:05:23,310 --> 00:05:23,940 Dave 97 00:05:23,940 --> 00:05:27,060 Dave Jones: Willis always says, when somebody has a whole ton of 98 00:05:27,060 --> 00:05:30,450 kids, like, they must think that they're really like, the world 99 00:05:30,450 --> 00:05:32,310 needs a lot of them or something. They must think 100 00:05:32,310 --> 00:05:34,620 they're really important. Well, they 101 00:05:34,620 --> 00:05:37,230 Kyrin Down: did a really good, you know, when you list off, 102 00:05:37,260 --> 00:05:40,410 like the alphabet alphabet as fast as you can. ABCDEFG. He did 103 00:05:40,410 --> 00:05:42,900 that with all the names of his siblings, and it took like, a 104 00:05:43,110 --> 00:05:43,380 minute. 105 00:05:46,110 --> 00:05:48,330 Adam Curry: Dave, were you able to catch any of the live shows? 106 00:05:49,530 --> 00:05:53,640 Dave Jones: Yes, I did not. So the first the first one was that 107 00:05:53,640 --> 00:05:57,810 was the one from the meetup Wednesday night. Yeah. Yeah. So 108 00:05:57,810 --> 00:06:02,070 the for the first one, we were at the movies with friends. And 109 00:06:02,070 --> 00:06:08,460 I had a fired up podcast guru checked in like about, I don't 110 00:06:08,460 --> 00:06:11,700 know, about 10 minutes into the movie and looked at it and made 111 00:06:11,700 --> 00:06:14,820 sure that I was getting a video stream set must set to 1000 per 112 00:06:14,820 --> 00:06:21,420 minute and just set it. Cool. So just want to stream sets. I'm 113 00:06:21,420 --> 00:06:23,850 not gonna be able to watch it. But then I saw some of last 114 00:06:23,850 --> 00:06:27,990 night's and it was killer man. It just seemed to be working on 115 00:06:27,990 --> 00:06:31,650 all the apps perfectly. I was so happy. 116 00:06:32,820 --> 00:06:38,460 Adam Curry: I mean, I was on both of them. There was a back 117 00:06:38,460 --> 00:06:43,470 channel telegram group. It was kind of like, like David in the 118 00:06:43,470 --> 00:06:48,690 cave with 400 and Algenol. You know, getting ready prepping for 119 00:06:48,690 --> 00:06:51,390 the prepping to go to war against King Saul. 120 00:06:52,890 --> 00:06:55,140 Dave Jones: lathering up the slings? Yes, 121 00:06:55,170 --> 00:07:04,590 Adam Curry: it was. It was an unbelievable show of camaraderie 122 00:07:04,590 --> 00:07:11,010 solidarity. Like it took me back to the very first cyber casts I 123 00:07:11,010 --> 00:07:15,420 did, which was not even a thing in 1996. And we did the Grammys, 124 00:07:15,660 --> 00:07:18,720 and we brought in T one line into the Shrine Auditorium. No 125 00:07:18,720 --> 00:07:23,730 one's ever heard of that. Before then, and oh, yeah, T one. Oh, 126 00:07:23,730 --> 00:07:27,720 my God, that's fast. That's broadband. One and one megabit, 127 00:07:27,900 --> 00:07:33,990 one megabit per second, but up and down both ways. And it was 128 00:07:33,990 --> 00:07:38,910 just the, the amount of collaboration and we had, yeah, 129 00:07:38,910 --> 00:07:43,260 we had Davi das in Lithuania, because he was I guess back 130 00:07:43,260 --> 00:07:49,410 home, getting his visa sorted out or whatever. He was back. It 131 00:07:49,410 --> 00:07:52,740 was He was up all night until seven in the morning, both 132 00:07:52,740 --> 00:07:58,800 nights. Sam Sethi was in the UK, Oscar marry. In the UK. We had 133 00:07:58,800 --> 00:08:03,330 just it was like iron sharpens iron man, it was so beautiful. 134 00:08:03,540 --> 00:08:10,470 How everybody was participating. And this you know, it's, it was 135 00:08:10,500 --> 00:08:15,870 it was so much learning really, just to see how everything fit 136 00:08:15,870 --> 00:08:20,730 together. I mean, we had a live wallet, switching the value 137 00:08:20,730 --> 00:08:24,300 blocks we're switching which is balanced between Ainsley and 138 00:08:24,300 --> 00:08:27,150 just loud. I'm talking about the second night, you know, so the 139 00:08:27,180 --> 00:08:30,150 so they both got SATs for each other show but they you know, 140 00:08:30,150 --> 00:08:35,940 the, the percentages different whoever was onstage, and it was 141 00:08:36,780 --> 00:08:40,890 let me read because we had a whole portion postmortem today 142 00:08:40,950 --> 00:08:42,600 in the same telegram group. 143 00:08:43,140 --> 00:08:45,750 Dave Jones: And I feel left out of Philly and they what 144 00:08:47,460 --> 00:08:49,290 Kyrin Down: was going on? Yeah, well, 145 00:08:49,290 --> 00:08:52,440 Adam Curry: I mean, there was links all over the place. Yeah, 146 00:08:52,470 --> 00:08:57,090 well, I felt like a blueberry was on site. And, you know, we 147 00:08:57,090 --> 00:08:59,100 finally got a picture of blueberry. He's like, you know, 148 00:08:59,100 --> 00:09:05,940 this like teenager and vans. So I was rapping. So Julie 149 00:09:05,940 --> 00:09:10,890 Costello, Ainsley, his mom. She now she, of course was all over 150 00:09:10,890 --> 00:09:15,540 this thing. And I'll read you what what she wrote, I'll skip 151 00:09:15,540 --> 00:09:19,890 over some of the numbers stuff but she said, Okay. Thank you 152 00:09:19,890 --> 00:09:23,970 all madly, deeply, sincerely, from the bottom of our Costello 153 00:09:23,970 --> 00:09:29,580 hearts. A worldwide team of ragtag developers in both RSS 154 00:09:29,730 --> 00:09:33,060 and noster with a touch of friendly competition, made the 155 00:09:33,060 --> 00:09:37,050 dreams of one young art have made the dreams of one young 156 00:09:37,050 --> 00:09:40,440 artists come true. And maybe just set in motion a music 157 00:09:40,440 --> 00:09:44,940 Revolution like we've never seen before. Filled with lots of 158 00:09:44,940 --> 00:09:48,330 hustle heart and even a little humility. We all pulled off a 159 00:09:48,360 --> 00:09:51,510 Christmas miracle in Minneapolis. I don't have the 160 00:09:51,510 --> 00:09:54,900 visibility into jails numbers by no everyone will eagerly be 161 00:09:54,900 --> 00:10:01,050 awaiting some early results. And so she gave us a call She gave 162 00:10:01,050 --> 00:10:08,070 us a total over between RSS and noster. And I have I have a lot 163 00:10:08,070 --> 00:10:11,430 of thoughts about Nasr after this evening so RSS night one 164 00:10:11,460 --> 00:10:20,730 3,650,868 SATs, but austere 3,000,262 953 SATs, there was a 165 00:10:21,060 --> 00:10:27,300 Fiat donation which converted to 443 970. So I just showed up 166 00:10:27,300 --> 00:10:35,790 with that night one total 7,357,791 SATs night to RSS 167 00:10:35,790 --> 00:10:43,710 2,000,444 976 noster 1,000,824 775. So for a grand 168 00:10:43,710 --> 00:10:48,480 total then she what she did is she, she added the nearly 4000 169 00:10:48,480 --> 00:10:54,510 SATs since Ainsley arrived on the V four v scene in July, she 170 00:10:54,510 --> 00:11:02,640 has made $6,742 compared to so that since July, compared to 171 00:11:02,640 --> 00:11:10,800 $750 on traditional streaming in over four years. And she says we 172 00:11:10,800 --> 00:11:13,500 are incredibly grateful to each and every person that stepped in 173 00:11:13,500 --> 00:11:16,650 with their time, treasure and talent to make V for V come to 174 00:11:16,650 --> 00:11:26,370 life. And it it was I get choked up about this stuff, I don't cry 175 00:11:26,400 --> 00:11:29,610 a death or anything, but when when there's accomplishment, 176 00:11:30,000 --> 00:11:33,810 that's when I get choked up. And when I saw the value block with 177 00:11:33,840 --> 00:11:40,170 11 or 12 splits, everybody was included me Julie made sure that 178 00:11:40,260 --> 00:11:43,170 everyone who was who was even though the apps of course have 179 00:11:43,170 --> 00:11:47,460 their own, you know, fees or, or percentages that they take on 180 00:11:47,460 --> 00:11:52,410 streams and booths, she added everybody in and I was blown 181 00:11:52,410 --> 00:11:58,740 away, like Kuno that video works everywhere. I mean, this what's 182 00:11:58,740 --> 00:12:06,270 what is going on video just kind of works. And it was it was it 183 00:12:06,270 --> 00:12:12,810 was really so the noster side had tuned sir.io 184 00:12:13,470 --> 00:12:16,410 Dave Jones: And yes, which I didn't know was a thing until 185 00:12:17,040 --> 00:12:17,730 yesterday. 186 00:12:17,910 --> 00:12:20,460 Adam Curry: Now I like to answer.io because it does 187 00:12:20,460 --> 00:12:25,050 something that we on the RSS side do very poorly which is it 188 00:12:25,050 --> 00:12:28,770 shows a running total of what you know there's apps with a 189 00:12:28,770 --> 00:12:31,890 message so it just you know so you're watching the video or 190 00:12:31,890 --> 00:12:34,590 you'd be listening but watching the video in this case and you 191 00:12:34,590 --> 00:12:39,480 see a very much like a GoFundMe you know how GoFundMe if you go 192 00:12:39,480 --> 00:12:42,990 there and you see just people with donation amounts and 193 00:12:42,990 --> 00:12:45,270 there's no other interactivity other than someone may be 194 00:12:45,270 --> 00:12:48,360 responding to someone with their with their own zap. And there 195 00:12:48,360 --> 00:12:52,440 were people coming in with 100,000 sat booths there are 196 00:12:52,440 --> 00:12:57,270 people coming in with in fact at one point let me just grab a 197 00:12:57,270 --> 00:13:01,800 little audio here for a second I have they already put it up on 198 00:13:02,490 --> 00:13:09,300 the archive Nice. Me go. So she was doing live booster grams. 199 00:13:09,300 --> 00:13:11,970 I'll just give an example here. Why are you changing over we had 200 00:13:11,970 --> 00:13:18,090 some more booths come through Marty Ben What is this? Is that 201 00:13:18,090 --> 00:13:19,890 talking? I'm not sure 50,000 202 00:13:19,890 --> 00:13:20,670 Unknown: SATs 203 00:13:22,830 --> 00:13:25,920 Adam Curry: Okay, is that Buber? Yeah, thoughts on this 204 00:13:26,070 --> 00:13:30,750 Unknown: 76 From NW through fountain saying live love laugh 205 00:13:30,750 --> 00:13:38,970 lightning. I need a bell out here. Yeah. Reading this thing 206 00:13:38,970 --> 00:13:41,010 is a red flag. Watch yourselves. 207 00:13:41,580 --> 00:13:43,740 Adam Curry: Now let me give you the last thing she had several 208 00:13:43,740 --> 00:13:47,010 segments. We might we might have an announcement. Yeah, so this 209 00:13:47,010 --> 00:13:49,410 was almost that she had one more song. We're gonna do cherry on 210 00:13:49,410 --> 00:13:50,640 top and then this happened. 211 00:13:51,510 --> 00:13:56,070 Unknown: We've had just several I sat here and boosted 50,000 212 00:13:56,070 --> 00:14:00,570 sets for front of house. Thank you. I appreciate you. We had 213 00:14:00,570 --> 00:14:05,430 66 666 from Carolyn saying it's a very exclusive dance party in 214 00:14:05,430 --> 00:14:06,480 the kitchen right now. 215 00:14:09,480 --> 00:14:13,170 So perfect. Here. There have been so many people who have 216 00:14:13,170 --> 00:14:17,880 made this night possible. And again Oh wow. 217 00:14:18,270 --> 00:14:22,080 Let me let me count the zeros it goes Oh God. Okay, so 218 00:14:22,080 --> 00:14:30,240 10203040506 zeros six zeros. How big of a boost is that? I think 219 00:14:30,240 --> 00:14:31,050 that isn't million 220 00:14:35,040 --> 00:14:37,950 Adam Curry: so anonymous came in with a million sat boost at the 221 00:14:37,950 --> 00:14:42,540 end there. I mean, it was an and this is actually was this. I 222 00:14:42,540 --> 00:14:44,760 think this might have been the Minneapolis night I can't 223 00:14:44,790 --> 00:14:49,620 remember. I mean the meet up night regardless this this is 224 00:14:49,620 --> 00:14:53,520 kind of what it was. And the second night just loud came on 225 00:14:53,520 --> 00:14:57,240 was great to see him. He loved every part every bit of the part 226 00:14:57,240 --> 00:15:03,450 I expected total cuz, I mean, it's like James Brown and Lenny 227 00:15:03,450 --> 00:15:06,600 Kravitz had a kid you know, they had an orgy and out pop this 228 00:15:06,600 --> 00:15:11,940 guy. That was that was really fantastic. So value for value 229 00:15:11,940 --> 00:15:14,760 really one because of course, there was a little bit of a, you 230 00:15:14,760 --> 00:15:17,520 know, hey, he's, you know, the Nasir guys are there's more 231 00:15:17,520 --> 00:15:20,220 coming in from Nasir. There's more from RSS back and forth 232 00:15:20,220 --> 00:15:24,810 back and forth. But obviously the whole concept and I think 233 00:15:24,810 --> 00:15:29,850 between nostre and the value for value 2.0 teams if you want to 234 00:15:29,850 --> 00:15:34,410 put it that way. You know, we both love Bitcoin we both or at 235 00:15:34,410 --> 00:15:39,570 least the the mechanism that Bitcoin provides. And of course 236 00:15:39,570 --> 00:15:45,000 we love blue will have value for value. What was I think, really 237 00:15:45,000 --> 00:15:48,690 interesting and a lot of learning here. There was a whole 238 00:15:48,690 --> 00:15:53,610 post more of the kind of just happened today, as everyone was 239 00:15:53,640 --> 00:15:56,190 just reviewing, and then people starting to wake up all over the 240 00:15:56,190 --> 00:15:58,890 place. And you know what, what really happened here? And there 241 00:15:58,890 --> 00:16:06,150 was this question about how do noster and RSS work together? 242 00:16:06,180 --> 00:16:08,520 You know, it's like, Should we be working together? Should we 243 00:16:08,520 --> 00:16:14,370 not be working together? Oscar Mary jumped in with no pointer 244 00:16:14,370 --> 00:16:21,420 to his noster nip 32 proposal about connecting zaps to booths 245 00:16:21,420 --> 00:16:24,300 and having these translations for the splits in the middle. 246 00:16:25,350 --> 00:16:30,300 Which was really interesting. But, and this is, so I kinda 247 00:16:30,300 --> 00:16:33,690 want to take the discussion here, because I've been thinking 248 00:16:33,690 --> 00:16:38,790 so much about that, and comments and booster grams and all these 249 00:16:38,790 --> 00:16:41,580 things that we've been looking at for the past couple of years. 250 00:16:42,060 --> 00:16:47,640 And And considering that nostre right now is basically a social 251 00:16:47,640 --> 00:16:53,100 network, although the noster we call it a protocol, or what do 252 00:16:53,100 --> 00:16:57,090 we call the protocol is political. Yeah. Okay. Although 253 00:16:57,090 --> 00:17:00,060 that can be used for many other things. It's a social network. I 254 00:17:00,060 --> 00:17:03,570 mean, that's even in an Oscar Mary's proposal. It's a social, 255 00:17:03,600 --> 00:17:09,540 it's a social network. And we've been publishing what's the 256 00:17:09,540 --> 00:17:12,540 actual tag called for comments, we call it social interact, 257 00:17:12,540 --> 00:17:16,380 social interact. So we've been publishing social interact. And 258 00:17:16,380 --> 00:17:19,470 you know, it's some of the apps show it you can't, you can't 259 00:17:19,470 --> 00:17:23,070 actually respond from the apps. And I've also been doing this 260 00:17:23,070 --> 00:17:28,350 soul searching and analysis of social media in my life and in 261 00:17:28,350 --> 00:17:32,580 general. And so there's two parts to it. One is I saw 262 00:17:32,580 --> 00:17:34,950 Twitter from day one, when it started was supposed to be a 263 00:17:34,950 --> 00:17:38,280 podcast company. And they launched but they launched as 264 00:17:38,280 --> 00:17:43,800 this microblogging site, all the way through what it is today, 265 00:17:43,950 --> 00:17:47,130 with a transfer of ownership. You know, once they got rid of 266 00:17:47,130 --> 00:17:50,370 the fail whale, and all that stuff, it became this, you know, 267 00:17:50,370 --> 00:17:54,150 the social media. But there's a change of ownership and things 268 00:17:54,150 --> 00:17:57,480 have changed. And I've also, you know, six, almost seven years 269 00:17:57,480 --> 00:18:01,470 ago, I think I started no agenda social.com, which is a mastodon 270 00:18:01,470 --> 00:18:07,770 social media site. And I've come to the conclusion that without 271 00:18:10,890 --> 00:18:15,420 an obvious adult in the room, someone with power, who or you 272 00:18:15,420 --> 00:18:19,050 know, some rules and regulations, it all becomes 273 00:18:19,050 --> 00:18:24,900 shit. It really does. It becomes toxic. It becomes it's just, 274 00:18:24,900 --> 00:18:29,580 it's horrible. And, and no agenda social. This has 275 00:18:29,580 --> 00:18:32,550 happened, you know, the I gave up all control. And you know, we 276 00:18:32,550 --> 00:18:36,960 have Aaron er, who's running it, he doesn't do anything. And I 277 00:18:36,960 --> 00:18:39,120 can't post anything, because people just know, they think 278 00:18:39,120 --> 00:18:43,860 it's funny. And whatever. It's all it's all. It's not really 279 00:18:43,860 --> 00:18:47,580 nice. And it's the same as any comments. And I kind of 280 00:18:47,580 --> 00:18:50,400 understand Dave Winer. Never wanting to have comments on his 281 00:18:50,400 --> 00:18:52,620 blog, it would trigger him. 282 00:18:53,790 --> 00:18:56,700 Dave Jones: Yeah, he would, he would always he would do it for 283 00:18:56,700 --> 00:18:58,740 a little while, and then turn it off and say go right and go 284 00:18:58,740 --> 00:19:00,330 write your own blog post. Right. 285 00:19:00,810 --> 00:19:03,870 Adam Curry: And, and Twitter is kind of the same thing. I mean, 286 00:19:03,900 --> 00:19:07,140 I, I've gone I've really made a study of Twitter over the power 287 00:19:07,140 --> 00:19:11,850 x over the past few days. And I see people killing each other 288 00:19:11,850 --> 00:19:17,760 shooting each other. Playing mean jokes, you know, trolling, 289 00:19:17,910 --> 00:19:25,860 yelling, it's, it's shit. It's unchecked. It's just shit. And I 290 00:19:25,860 --> 00:19:29,160 don't want I've I'm really stepping back from the comments 291 00:19:29,190 --> 00:19:33,510 idea. You know, you have to have moderation. There's all these 292 00:19:33,510 --> 00:19:37,980 things that come into play. And I think inherently the app 293 00:19:37,980 --> 00:19:41,580 developers feel this and that's why they really haven't taken 294 00:19:41,580 --> 00:19:45,840 that extra so we have it all there. It can work. You know, we 295 00:19:45,840 --> 00:19:48,450 can blame act we can blame activity pub, but it's not 296 00:19:48,450 --> 00:19:49,410 activity pub. 297 00:19:50,070 --> 00:19:51,810 Dave Jones: Well, I mean, it's already it's already fully 298 00:19:51,810 --> 00:19:55,350 operational own no agenda today. I mean, the pieces are there you 299 00:19:55,380 --> 00:19:59,520 I mean, you have this experience that the it's it's not like 300 00:19:59,520 --> 00:20:01,200 there's a lot ACC, at all 301 00:20:01,230 --> 00:20:06,810 Adam Curry: correct. And so right now noster so the thinking 302 00:20:06,810 --> 00:20:12,990 is, well, we Nasir can be the social piece to podcasting 2.0 303 00:20:12,990 --> 00:20:15,330 And I'm just going to say no, nothing should be the social 304 00:20:15,330 --> 00:20:19,200 piece. Because right now noster is everyone is kind of like 305 00:20:19,200 --> 00:20:23,940 minded. Everyone's in the same vibe. But go ahead and go on 306 00:20:23,940 --> 00:20:26,460 there and talk about pod ping built on hive and see what 307 00:20:26,460 --> 00:20:30,540 happens. You will less fun. No, you won't last five minutes. So 308 00:20:30,750 --> 00:20:34,470 as that grows, that too will become toxic unless they keep it 309 00:20:34,470 --> 00:20:36,720 what it is. And that's very possible that it just remains 310 00:20:36,720 --> 00:20:41,100 that but that's not really growth. And then so but what I 311 00:20:41,100 --> 00:20:46,320 like is they've got wallets, you know, the and the promotion they 312 00:20:46,320 --> 00:20:50,640 were doing for this concert was spectacular. They were promoting 313 00:20:50,640 --> 00:20:54,510 eight people were were you know, I don't know what the what you 314 00:20:54,510 --> 00:20:58,200 call it there. But they were reposting you know, they were 315 00:20:58,530 --> 00:21:01,950 jacking each other up. And of course, with your nostril login, 316 00:21:01,950 --> 00:21:07,050 you could go to tune sur.io And you know, the mechanism flowed 317 00:21:07,050 --> 00:21:09,990 right over and people could zap now there's no concept of 318 00:21:09,990 --> 00:21:15,570 splits, which I think is a problem. I've looked at I've 319 00:21:15,570 --> 00:21:24,630 looked at at Oscars proposal. And its proposal includes a 320 00:21:25,110 --> 00:21:29,040 payment verification, which references a payment 321 00:21:29,040 --> 00:21:33,120 verification by some semi trusted provider, like podcasts 322 00:21:33,120 --> 00:21:37,320 index fountain, lb curio, caster pod verse, wave, Lake, rss.com, 323 00:21:37,320 --> 00:21:43,920 etc. And I will say, No, that's a very bad idea. But I've never 324 00:21:43,920 --> 00:21:47,430 really heard of this proposal. So I'm just now diving into it, 325 00:21:48,120 --> 00:21:52,320 that you don't want to be a money forwarder at all, from a 326 00:21:52,320 --> 00:21:55,920 regulation standpoint, and you don't want to be Juden, you do 327 00:21:55,920 --> 00:21:59,670 not want that, when a payment fails, someone's going to blame 328 00:21:59,670 --> 00:22:03,300 you. This is not the way to go. noster if they want to do 329 00:22:03,300 --> 00:22:06,480 splits, they should figure out their own splits. What I liked a 330 00:22:06,480 --> 00:22:11,700 lot was the experience they showed with with you know, their 331 00:22:11,700 --> 00:22:17,040 version of booster grams on a page and man, do I want this for 332 00:22:17,040 --> 00:22:21,780 our apps? I really think doing it, what fountain does when 333 00:22:21,810 --> 00:22:25,620 you're able to comment on it doesn't really matter to me. But 334 00:22:25,620 --> 00:22:28,770 the idea that under as an episode is playing, right? So 335 00:22:28,770 --> 00:22:32,430 right now I've I've kind of hijacked booster grams into 336 00:22:32,430 --> 00:22:37,890 chapters, it's 5050 people who are on apps where it shows up as 337 00:22:37,890 --> 00:22:40,440 a as in the table of contents when it shouldn't, they're 338 00:22:40,440 --> 00:22:43,290 pissed off. They're actually people who see it, you know, 339 00:22:43,320 --> 00:22:45,840 switch when they're driving in the car and they get pissed off. 340 00:22:46,500 --> 00:22:50,010 But the idea of surfacing boosts booster grams, I think is a 341 00:22:50,010 --> 00:22:55,110 very, very powerful idea. I think that that is what the 342 00:22:55,110 --> 00:22:59,130 nostre people showed us how powerful that is. Just like 343 00:22:59,130 --> 00:23:02,760 GoFundMe, you know, it's just a little acknowledgement you'd put 344 00:23:02,760 --> 00:23:05,730 your little note in there. And it just kind of scrolls off. And 345 00:23:05,730 --> 00:23:08,250 I think we should really, and I have ideas about it, but I'll 346 00:23:08,250 --> 00:23:12,990 stop talking. I think that was very, very powerful. And as far 347 00:23:12,990 --> 00:23:17,250 as nostalgia and and and podcasting 2.0 I think it's 348 00:23:17,250 --> 00:23:20,100 great that we can do projects like this together, I think it's 349 00:23:20,100 --> 00:23:23,760 great for value for value. It's great for the artist, if you 350 00:23:23,760 --> 00:23:28,050 want to send booster grams, zap your wallet, zap your, your 351 00:23:28,050 --> 00:23:31,770 podcast app and send the booster gram, I don't see this, this 352 00:23:31,770 --> 00:23:35,760 connection working at all, and I think it's unnecessary. And I 353 00:23:35,760 --> 00:23:41,400 personally, I don't want social social comments in my connected 354 00:23:41,400 --> 00:23:45,210 to my podcast, I It's all triggering me just thinking 355 00:23:45,210 --> 00:23:45,600 about it. 356 00:23:47,850 --> 00:23:50,250 Dave Jones: As it was, I think we also need to make a 357 00:23:50,250 --> 00:23:56,700 distinction between between things between live things and 358 00:23:57,630 --> 00:24:02,490 and podcasts. Yes. And totally, you know, because Because luck 359 00:24:02,610 --> 00:24:07,620 live events like this, you will I think a lot of this has been 360 00:24:07,620 --> 00:24:12,720 worked out slowly over time. It out in other on other platforms. 361 00:24:13,080 --> 00:24:19,290 So, like YouTube, let me like, you know, we can like YouTube or 362 00:24:19,290 --> 00:24:22,860 not that it's they've, they've been through a lot of these 363 00:24:22,860 --> 00:24:27,510 things. As far as user experience goes. The the user 364 00:24:27,510 --> 00:24:32,250 experience of YouTube, is if you have a live stream, there's 365 00:24:32,280 --> 00:24:36,300 there's there's ephemeral chat in the live stream, and I love 366 00:24:36,300 --> 00:24:39,090 Adam Curry: chatting, I love chat and no one's implemented it 367 00:24:39,090 --> 00:24:40,560 really. Right. 368 00:24:40,560 --> 00:24:43,920 Dave Jones: And so then well, that we're, we're gonna do that. 369 00:24:43,920 --> 00:24:47,100 And I mean, phase seven is chat is that XMPP 370 00:24:47,100 --> 00:24:49,650 Adam Curry: is that because you know, the IRC chat? Yeah, is 371 00:24:49,650 --> 00:24:53,190 great and but you know, people need to set up IRC chat for it 372 00:24:53,190 --> 00:24:54,510 to work. Yeah, I 373 00:24:54,510 --> 00:24:56,550 Dave Jones: mean, I think XMPP is going to be the first class 374 00:24:56,550 --> 00:25:01,410 citizen and I agree, like with all this stuff, With all these 375 00:25:01,410 --> 00:25:06,570 tags, you know, we try first and foremost to make the tag except 376 00:25:07,320 --> 00:25:10,680 future proof. So they accept any protocol. Yeah. The problem with 377 00:25:10,680 --> 00:25:15,090 namespaces in the past with with with podcasting is they, they 378 00:25:15,120 --> 00:25:18,150 they tied themselves to a specific protocol and a lot of 379 00:25:18,150 --> 00:25:23,160 instances. So we really got to avoid that this, the chat tag 380 00:25:23,160 --> 00:25:25,440 has to be just like social Interact has to be flexible 381 00:25:25,440 --> 00:25:28,200 enough to when the next big thing comes along, you just rip 382 00:25:28,200 --> 00:25:31,500 and replace, you just plug that thing in. And it goes, yeah, so 383 00:25:31,530 --> 00:25:35,130 but as far as like, you need that you need a sandbox to start 384 00:25:35,130 --> 00:25:38,790 in to prove the things work. And to test and do all that kind of 385 00:25:38,790 --> 00:25:42,720 stuff. And XMPP is probably the first class citizen for that it 386 00:25:42,720 --> 00:25:45,150 makes most sense to me that, you know, 387 00:25:45,450 --> 00:25:49,980 Adam Curry: what I felt about what I felt the chat, because we 388 00:25:49,980 --> 00:25:57,270 had an ANZ hash Aynsley live room on the on the IRC server 389 00:25:57,270 --> 00:26:03,360 that we that everybody uses. That was very exciting. It was, 390 00:26:03,390 --> 00:26:06,720 um, that's a lot of what that Twitch does that that's what 391 00:26:06,720 --> 00:26:12,060 your YouTube Live does. And this is this is available. I'm curio 392 00:26:12,060 --> 00:26:17,790 caster has it, I believe, as the only one. But I think for live, 393 00:26:17,820 --> 00:26:21,690 that is almost a requirement to have that. And I love that 394 00:26:21,690 --> 00:26:25,410 because as you say it's ephemeral. And I don't mind it, 395 00:26:25,410 --> 00:26:28,140 when like, when we do no agenda, people are like saying horrible 396 00:26:28,140 --> 00:26:31,980 things, but it scrolls away, you know, it's not there forever, 397 00:26:31,980 --> 00:26:36,210 it's gone. And that's fine. So I would love I would love to have 398 00:26:36,210 --> 00:26:40,380 chat included in, in all of the live stuff. And in the apps 399 00:26:40,380 --> 00:26:42,540 themselves. I think that's something that everybody could 400 00:26:42,540 --> 00:26:44,730 come together on it. 401 00:26:45,420 --> 00:26:47,550 Dave Jones: And it could be nostre too, if the nostril 402 00:26:47,550 --> 00:26:51,930 people want care to do. Just like the value tag, the value 403 00:26:51,930 --> 00:26:56,580 tag, the social interact, tag, the chat tag, all these tags are 404 00:26:56,610 --> 00:27:01,830 if somebody cares enough about their pet protocol, to put it in 405 00:27:01,830 --> 00:27:04,860 there and make the proof of concept and show that it works. 406 00:27:05,340 --> 00:27:08,880 Go for it, there's nothing stopping you. Right that the the 407 00:27:08,880 --> 00:27:15,120 focus that, you know, Bitcoin, and activity pub and XMPP these 408 00:27:15,120 --> 00:27:19,620 sorts of things that we choose to have as proof of concepts out 409 00:27:19,620 --> 00:27:22,140 of the gate to show like a sort of the first class citizen 410 00:27:22,140 --> 00:27:26,940 stuff. Those are because they're, they're the things that 411 00:27:26,940 --> 00:27:30,750 are most, you know, most time tested. They've been through the 412 00:27:30,750 --> 00:27:34,830 wringer. And we know they work and there's lots of experience 413 00:27:34,830 --> 00:27:38,940 with their development. But and it's stuff that we know as a 414 00:27:38,940 --> 00:27:43,860 community. So that that stuff is, but nothing stops you so 415 00:27:43,860 --> 00:27:49,980 like, eventually, over time ever, what's going to win. As 416 00:27:49,980 --> 00:27:55,020 far as a protocol, what what becomes the protocol for 417 00:27:55,020 --> 00:28:01,200 podcast, ephemeral chat will be whatever the community shifts 418 00:28:01,200 --> 00:28:04,680 towards it, whatever the community puts his weight 419 00:28:04,680 --> 00:28:08,310 behind, that's what we'll win. And we can't control that mean, 420 00:28:08,430 --> 00:28:13,950 you know, it's like diverting for a second, the feeling of 421 00:28:13,950 --> 00:28:18,960 hey, it was an interesting feeling watching these live 422 00:28:18,960 --> 00:28:25,980 streams happen. Because, like, I wasn't really involved at all. 423 00:28:26,850 --> 00:28:31,290 Adam Curry: Dude, I love this. We had nothing to do with it was 424 00:28:31,290 --> 00:28:33,930 all other people that was a win, win, win. 425 00:28:34,260 --> 00:28:37,500 Dave Jones: And like, like, it's like we it's like we birth a 426 00:28:37,500 --> 00:28:39,600 child in the child lot 427 00:28:39,600 --> 00:28:43,710 Adam Curry: like that. I grew up and did some stuff and Training 428 00:28:43,710 --> 00:28:44,700 we call 429 00:28:45,840 --> 00:28:48,210 Dave Jones: in like, we're like, oh, the you know, and we went 430 00:28:48,210 --> 00:28:51,600 and watched the graduation ceremony. It was told but at the 431 00:28:51,600 --> 00:28:54,780 same time, it was such a weird experience to have such a 432 00:28:54,780 --> 00:28:58,890 monumental event where, where it wasn't a bunch of people, 433 00:28:58,890 --> 00:29:04,200 depending on me for like, support and doing all this. It 434 00:29:04,200 --> 00:29:09,030 was a sort of a brain twist. But I loved it at the same time. And 435 00:29:09,030 --> 00:29:14,940 that's what if your project and if the project is successful, in 436 00:29:14,940 --> 00:29:19,380 all of its different endeavors, and attempts and goals, one of 437 00:29:19,380 --> 00:29:23,370 the things we can expect is that things are going to happen and 438 00:29:23,370 --> 00:29:27,240 people are going to begin to use these things in ways that we 439 00:29:27,240 --> 00:29:28,500 can't, can't 440 00:29:28,500 --> 00:29:31,650 Adam Curry: even dream out. We don't want to dictate it at all, 441 00:29:31,650 --> 00:29:34,770 Dave Jones: and we can't control it. Yeah, we can't say, you 442 00:29:34,770 --> 00:29:37,620 know, this is the protocol you're supposed to use. Because 443 00:29:37,620 --> 00:29:41,730 like we can say we can say this is the protocol we use, as far 444 00:29:41,730 --> 00:29:46,050 as like me personally my protocol that I that I prefer, 445 00:29:46,200 --> 00:29:48,510 but if somebody wants to go off and do something different, I 446 00:29:48,510 --> 00:29:50,520 mean, we can't stop them. Open Source. 447 00:29:50,550 --> 00:29:54,180 Adam Curry: Here's what it felt like to me. It felt to me like 448 00:29:54,600 --> 00:29:58,440 tune sur should have been the video source inside the apps 449 00:29:58,440 --> 00:30:03,240 with their with their chat except the chat would it would 450 00:30:03,240 --> 00:30:06,150 be a split on the boost button does that make sense? 451 00:30:07,770 --> 00:30:09,810 Dave Jones: I think as the I think a falling so if 452 00:30:09,810 --> 00:30:13,140 Adam Curry: I hit a boost to Graham so I would be watching 453 00:30:13,140 --> 00:30:16,800 this video in an app and then I hit a boost to Graham and the 454 00:30:16,800 --> 00:30:19,830 splits fire off and there's an extra split there that hits the 455 00:30:19,830 --> 00:30:25,440 tune sur.io system which I don't know if they accept key send or 456 00:30:25,440 --> 00:30:30,270 not. So they so because they got nothing to this is the thing. 457 00:30:30,390 --> 00:30:34,860 The nos Nasir it's all 100% to the to the artists wallet. 458 00:30:35,610 --> 00:30:38,040 Tombstone got nothing out of it, which breaks my heart. 459 00:30:38,760 --> 00:30:39,630 Dave Jones: Oh real well, it 460 00:30:39,630 --> 00:30:41,970 Kyrin Down: was that chat appearing in the video it was 461 00:30:42,060 --> 00:30:44,700 Adam Curry: underneath. No underneath right underneath 462 00:30:44,730 --> 00:30:47,400 right underneath me. Just I mean, just like a GoFundMe you 463 00:30:47,400 --> 00:30:52,350 know, and very similar to fountains. Although fountains 464 00:30:52,350 --> 00:30:54,750 switches the screen, this is just video right in the middle. 465 00:30:54,930 --> 00:30:59,310 And underneath it, you see the zaps coming in? And like that, 466 00:30:59,340 --> 00:31:02,310 that is a good, that's a YouTube like experience. That's an 467 00:31:02,310 --> 00:31:05,040 experience and people like that. And I saw people zapping and 468 00:31:05,040 --> 00:31:07,620 saying something to another person who just just happen to 469 00:31:07,620 --> 00:31:12,360 kind of scrolls off. So that was very chat like, although I don't 470 00:31:12,360 --> 00:31:16,800 think he personally I like our chat because people can chat and 471 00:31:16,800 --> 00:31:19,830 just say stuff. And then when you hit a boost, then the 472 00:31:19,830 --> 00:31:22,800 booster grab the boost bot comes to life and it shows it in the 473 00:31:22,800 --> 00:31:29,520 chat. I love that. That to me is the perfect way to do it. It's 474 00:31:29,520 --> 00:31:30,990 just all the IRC 475 00:31:30,990 --> 00:31:34,230 Dave Jones: experience of what happens on this show is 476 00:31:34,860 --> 00:31:38,940 excellent. It just needs to be ported over to think something 477 00:31:38,940 --> 00:31:42,180 that's well portable. I mean, like, you know, that's that's 478 00:31:42,870 --> 00:31:47,550 that. So I like to finish that thought on YouTube, the YouTube 479 00:31:48,390 --> 00:31:53,460 thing evolved into live live videos having a femoral chat, 480 00:31:53,790 --> 00:31:58,890 and then non live videos. It's it's comments, right? And we 481 00:31:58,890 --> 00:32:02,820 already have comments. But we don't, you don't have to see 482 00:32:02,820 --> 00:32:07,950 them if you don't want to. But they're like the way that I like 483 00:32:07,950 --> 00:32:14,760 the sort of ethic that evolves when when Geller May and in the 484 00:32:14,820 --> 00:32:20,970 in that crew put comments put activity post comments into the 485 00:32:21,000 --> 00:32:26,370 podcast index side, this sort of ethic was there, they're not 486 00:32:26,370 --> 00:32:29,490 visible by default, you have to, you have to choose to go into 487 00:32:29,490 --> 00:32:32,640 the comments. Right? And that doesn't mean everybody has to do 488 00:32:32,640 --> 00:32:36,060 that. Maybe that doesn't fit with your app idea. But it's 489 00:32:36,060 --> 00:32:40,110 just that, like, I think I think it sort of blunts some of those 490 00:32:40,110 --> 00:32:44,580 concerns you have, with the comments stuff that I did. You 491 00:32:44,580 --> 00:32:49,470 can you can live with this stuff all day long. And, and you never 492 00:32:49,470 --> 00:32:53,460 see the comments, mostly until you choose to go there. Right. 493 00:32:53,730 --> 00:32:59,970 But then within a femoral chat, like it's, it has a lot of it. 494 00:33:00,630 --> 00:33:04,320 It doesn't have the downsides, that long term commenting social 495 00:33:04,320 --> 00:33:09,120 networking, Gary agreed. So so it feels more safe in a sense, 496 00:33:09,150 --> 00:33:13,650 when you're doing something like a live stream. That, you know, 497 00:33:13,650 --> 00:33:18,510 is the the chat thing to put like the podcast chat tag, is 498 00:33:18,510 --> 00:33:24,300 going to have to sort of have that in mind where this is 499 00:33:24,300 --> 00:33:27,390 primarily a live stream mechanism. It doesn't it doesn't 500 00:33:27,390 --> 00:33:30,240 mean that it has to be exclusively but it's primarily 501 00:33:30,240 --> 00:33:32,160 that's where the idea live. So 502 00:33:32,160 --> 00:33:35,070 Adam Curry: then there's the second part. And this is unique 503 00:33:35,070 --> 00:33:41,250 to podcasting 2.0. And I was very wrong about this. I really, 504 00:33:41,310 --> 00:33:46,890 really, really want to surface my booster grams in the app in 505 00:33:46,890 --> 00:33:52,770 every app, I really want to surface them. I see that as a 506 00:33:52,770 --> 00:33:57,390 huge benefit. I think it's, I've I've been looking at fountain 507 00:33:57,390 --> 00:34:01,680 for a long, long time. And this, there's no toxicity, I don't 508 00:34:01,680 --> 00:34:04,260 need to you don't I don't need to be able to comment on it. 509 00:34:04,650 --> 00:34:07,470 That's okay, I just want people to see the booster grams that 510 00:34:07,470 --> 00:34:12,270 have come in. I want them to be available on all of the podcast 511 00:34:12,270 --> 00:34:17,010 apps, which to me, and you know, there's a lot of ideas floating 512 00:34:17,010 --> 00:34:21,510 around. I love a boost bot service, you know, and actually 513 00:34:21,510 --> 00:34:24,930 it should be, it should be just like chapters or just like 514 00:34:25,530 --> 00:34:30,000 transcripts, it should just be yet another tag where there's an 515 00:34:30,000 --> 00:34:33,840 external file and whether I pay someone as a service, like hyper 516 00:34:33,840 --> 00:34:38,700 catcher, or whether I rip it out of helipad or do something 517 00:34:38,700 --> 00:34:43,500 whatever it is. I would and I I would I think I'm gonna have to 518 00:34:43,500 --> 00:34:47,010 propose a tag for that because I freely really enjoy that 519 00:34:47,010 --> 00:34:47,820 experience. 520 00:34:49,110 --> 00:34:50,790 Kyrin Down: Well, do you think it's worth distinguishing 521 00:34:50,790 --> 00:34:55,260 between the two different ways of using the podcasting apps as 522 00:34:55,260 --> 00:34:59,580 well because the when I first came to podcasting 2.0 And I 523 00:34:59,580 --> 00:35:02,970 heard about cross cross AP comments. I was jazz because I 524 00:35:02,970 --> 00:35:06,480 thought it would replicate an experience kind of like YouTube 525 00:35:06,480 --> 00:35:09,600 and their comments, which I think are really cool. But then 526 00:35:09,780 --> 00:35:13,080 I was thinking about it. And you know why you go into the YouTube 527 00:35:13,080 --> 00:35:16,110 comments? It's probably because you're, you're slightly bored 528 00:35:16,110 --> 00:35:18,690 with the video. And so you're, you're looking for something to 529 00:35:18,690 --> 00:35:22,350 do. And so you see you go down now. And I don't think that's 530 00:35:22,350 --> 00:35:26,910 how most people use a podcast app. But, you know, they'll 531 00:35:26,940 --> 00:35:30,540 they'll turn it on, and even if it's on, the phone is still on, 532 00:35:30,540 --> 00:35:32,940 and they're in their kitchen cooking, which is something that 533 00:35:32,940 --> 00:35:37,260 I do. It's not like I'm needing a board and I'm needing to go 534 00:35:37,260 --> 00:35:42,180 down to try and find some, whether it'd be more information 535 00:35:42,180 --> 00:35:45,720 or someone else's reaction to it, or anything like that. The 536 00:35:45,720 --> 00:35:48,120 live stuff is completely different, obviously and that 537 00:35:48,150 --> 00:35:51,390 because that is so active and you're you're wanting to 538 00:35:51,390 --> 00:35:54,870 participate you're trying to do something so obviously having 539 00:35:54,990 --> 00:35:58,050 you know a live chat something that's really visible but yeah, 540 00:35:58,050 --> 00:36:00,930 I'm I've kind of changed my tune on that as well, which is 541 00:36:01,350 --> 00:36:06,600 booster grams and people willing to pay money to write something 542 00:36:06,600 --> 00:36:10,710 and you notice with the booster grams as well, the very 543 00:36:10,710 --> 00:36:14,250 different than the YouTube Variety Performance very they're 544 00:36:14,250 --> 00:36:18,570 not, they're not chasing clout by writing the funniest joke or 545 00:36:18,570 --> 00:36:22,500 the wittiest thing to get more up likes or anything like that 546 00:36:22,500 --> 00:36:25,410 on it. So yeah, I definitely think that Mr. Graham's are 547 00:36:25,590 --> 00:36:26,100 good. What 548 00:36:26,100 --> 00:36:28,980 Adam Curry: was interesting was interesting last night, is that 549 00:36:28,980 --> 00:36:31,860 people will be sharing screenshots of fountain and 550 00:36:31,860 --> 00:36:36,300 fountain had only had a web experience, and it was audio. 551 00:36:36,960 --> 00:36:39,930 But people were sharing that screen because it showed you the 552 00:36:39,930 --> 00:36:44,250 booster grams coming in, and it showed you the total. You see, 553 00:36:44,280 --> 00:36:47,970 there's something there that is different from comments. It's 554 00:36:47,970 --> 00:36:51,360 different from chat. It's a third, a third thing, it's 555 00:36:51,360 --> 00:36:55,050 something different. And it's unique. It's unique to our apps. 556 00:36:55,590 --> 00:36:58,380 And I I'm gonna have to propose this tag I don't know if when I 557 00:36:58,560 --> 00:37:00,180 figured out how to write a proposal 558 00:37:00,930 --> 00:37:04,080 Dave Jones: well you know what's interesting with this so I'm I'm 559 00:37:05,700 --> 00:37:10,230 part of the reason I livestream best started live streaming 560 00:37:10,260 --> 00:37:15,510 video during our show just kind of as a learning experience and 561 00:37:15,510 --> 00:37:19,620 also really primarily to help Alex test No no, 562 00:37:19,830 --> 00:37:23,580 Adam Curry: I thought it was to pick up chicks not working 563 00:37:25,980 --> 00:37:28,980 everybody There's Dave Jones on the live streams look at him 564 00:37:28,980 --> 00:37:33,660 ladies. Is he hot? Or what? He's smoking at board room after? 565 00:37:35,520 --> 00:37:39,930 Dave Jones: Yeah, and so like to help Alex with test no agenda 566 00:37:39,930 --> 00:37:44,850 tube and have that be a sandbox. But then like, as I like doing 567 00:37:44,850 --> 00:37:51,900 it I thought sort of started to have like more or less respect 568 00:37:51,900 --> 00:37:54,090 for I can we can hear that. And I'm 569 00:37:54,090 --> 00:37:56,490 Adam Curry: sorry yeah, I'm sorry. I was killing I was 570 00:37:56,490 --> 00:37:59,730 trying to open the the booster grams and curio caster was still 571 00:37:59,730 --> 00:38:00,300 running. Sorry. 572 00:38:02,220 --> 00:38:05,730 Dave Jones: So like I started with a started to understand 573 00:38:05,730 --> 00:38:09,630 sort of the complexities around around all this and have a 574 00:38:09,630 --> 00:38:14,790 little bit more respect for how much of a challenge it is, you 575 00:38:14,790 --> 00:38:21,960 know, when so and I'm on no agenda tube right now is in 576 00:38:21,960 --> 00:38:24,870 their chat room. I have that pulled up in a separate window 577 00:38:24,870 --> 00:38:31,290 on the screen. And I'm seeing it is just like IRC. It's the the X 578 00:38:31,320 --> 00:38:34,590 there's an XMPP booth spot in the chat room on the agenda 579 00:38:34,590 --> 00:38:38,070 tube. Yep. And when somebody booths, it shows up, it's right. 580 00:38:38,070 --> 00:38:41,430 It's It is super chat. It is literally doing the thing that 581 00:38:41,610 --> 00:38:42,300 that we want 582 00:38:42,330 --> 00:38:44,400 Adam Curry: now it's not connected to the IRC or is that 583 00:38:44,400 --> 00:38:47,730 also connected to it? Because you connect that with XMPP, 584 00:38:47,730 --> 00:38:48,270 can't you? 585 00:38:49,140 --> 00:38:52,260 Dave Jones: Yeah, I think so. But that's like, it's it's being 586 00:38:52,260 --> 00:38:56,430 fed, these things are being federated into through Britt, 587 00:38:56,430 --> 00:38:59,700 you know, they're being bridged, right. So we, you know, the 588 00:38:59,700 --> 00:39:04,680 things that we this experience, okay, so, this is something I 589 00:39:04,680 --> 00:39:08,370 was thinking about today too. The other the other thing that I 590 00:39:08,400 --> 00:39:18,000 took away from from this whole week was if it was the right, 591 00:39:18,450 --> 00:39:21,360 let me say it this way, it was the right decision to slow down 592 00:39:21,360 --> 00:39:27,210 the namespace. Amen. It really was because we we ran fast for 593 00:39:27,210 --> 00:39:32,970 like two solid years without any lead up. And then for the last 594 00:39:33,660 --> 00:39:39,090 six months or so, or more, really slowed things down and I 595 00:39:39,090 --> 00:39:44,100 think that was that was fruitful because they let everybody just 596 00:39:44,100 --> 00:39:47,280 concentrate on the thing that they needed to concentrate on 597 00:39:47,280 --> 00:39:50,730 catching up and refining like look at what fountain did with 598 00:39:51,000 --> 00:39:54,510 their 1.0 release. Yeah, like what podcast Giroux is done with 599 00:39:54,510 --> 00:39:57,570 their value time with their value support. Look at what pod 600 00:39:57,570 --> 00:40:02,850 versus done by getting out yeah There's, there's so much that 601 00:40:02,850 --> 00:40:07,500 they have now begun to refine, because we slowed down the 602 00:40:07,500 --> 00:40:12,930 frantic pace, though think that these all these pieces are 603 00:40:12,930 --> 00:40:19,140 there. Now, it's just a matter of the giving the apps time to 604 00:40:19,140 --> 00:40:24,360 put these things put the pieces into play. They can, you know, 605 00:40:24,930 --> 00:40:30,000 because that, that takes that takes time. What exactly I 606 00:40:30,000 --> 00:40:32,670 thought the Oscar interview on the latest pot news weekly 607 00:40:32,670 --> 00:40:35,760 review was really good because he said, even he was like we 608 00:40:35,760 --> 00:40:39,360 were frantically adding features. And the interface the 609 00:40:39,360 --> 00:40:43,800 UI just got it became a mess. So we had to, we had to, we had to 610 00:40:43,800 --> 00:40:48,750 go into basically rewrite the entire UI to make all of this 611 00:40:48,750 --> 00:40:53,280 make sense. Because if you're just adding it's like when you 612 00:40:53,280 --> 00:40:56,460 know, a house that you just add on to overtime, it looks like a 613 00:40:56,460 --> 00:41:00,510 big, you know, freaky weird thing. You have to you have to 614 00:41:00,510 --> 00:41:04,710 renovate and then just kind of start from a fresh template. I 615 00:41:04,710 --> 00:41:07,320 think I think that's really important. And what I mean, we 616 00:41:07,320 --> 00:41:12,930 will, I think 2024, we need to head into Phase seven and look 617 00:41:12,930 --> 00:41:15,240 at some of these things. But I see the face seven tags, like 618 00:41:15,240 --> 00:41:18,690 the chat tag. That's real. I think some of these things we're 619 00:41:18,690 --> 00:41:23,370 going to be doing next year, are going to be things that are 620 00:41:23,460 --> 00:41:25,950 complementary to what's already there. I don't think it's going 621 00:41:25,950 --> 00:41:30,960 to be any more of this frantic pace stuff. I think we can I 622 00:41:30,960 --> 00:41:35,130 think we're gonna have time to work these things out in a way 623 00:41:35,130 --> 00:41:37,680 where people where the app developers can catch their 624 00:41:37,680 --> 00:41:42,000 breath. But like, like say, I'm looking at no agenda today. I'm 625 00:41:42,000 --> 00:41:45,360 looking at our see both on the same screen. And they're 626 00:41:45,360 --> 00:41:48,240 literally doing the thing we want. Chiron 627 00:41:48,240 --> 00:41:50,700 Adam Curry: so it's their current weight weigh in here, 628 00:41:50,700 --> 00:41:51,060 Roman. 629 00:41:52,020 --> 00:41:55,530 Kyrin Down: Yeah. I mean, like, with the social media stuff, I 630 00:41:55,530 --> 00:41:58,890 was just gonna say like, I can't add much, because I had none 631 00:41:58,890 --> 00:42:04,980 from 2013 to 2019. And then the way I use it is just is just, I 632 00:42:05,010 --> 00:42:09,060 use it to, like, advertise post. I'm not I'm not big into to that 633 00:42:09,060 --> 00:42:14,220 whole world. But yeah, yeah, I think the live chat and the 634 00:42:14,760 --> 00:42:18,690 focusing on that, at least for me, personally as a podcaster 635 00:42:18,690 --> 00:42:21,780 has been really fun. And I'm really enjoying doing that. And 636 00:42:21,780 --> 00:42:25,890 it's kind of completely changed how I run my podcast now instead 637 00:42:25,890 --> 00:42:30,120 of recording them seven days in advance and, and really trying 638 00:42:30,120 --> 00:42:32,940 to clean them up and put them out. Not that I was doing too 639 00:42:32,940 --> 00:42:35,760 much editing anyway. But that was that was just due to video, 640 00:42:35,760 --> 00:42:37,620 and I've changed my tune on video. So 641 00:42:39,150 --> 00:42:41,700 Dave Jones: dig in on that, Karen, because you you've done 642 00:42:41,700 --> 00:42:45,360 video for a long time. So you've, you've been in this, 643 00:42:45,480 --> 00:42:50,070 you've been in the video world how how do you? Like what if 644 00:42:50,070 --> 00:42:54,390 you're going to take I think let me ask this questions for figure 645 00:42:54,390 --> 00:42:58,830 out how to ask this. Your video what you expect from video is 646 00:42:58,830 --> 00:43:02,910 probably like it is with all of us. Correct me if I'm wrong, but 647 00:43:02,910 --> 00:43:06,360 it's probably in your head, you just see the YouTube experience. 648 00:43:08,100 --> 00:43:12,660 Do you if you were to sort of translate that into what you 649 00:43:12,660 --> 00:43:17,670 would expect the experience to be as a podcaster? Or in an app? 650 00:43:18,420 --> 00:43:21,150 What would would it be? What would you see? 651 00:43:22,410 --> 00:43:24,870 Kyrin Down: I think you just have to realize that different 652 00:43:24,870 --> 00:43:29,580 things like if you if you want to be a YouTuber, you sure go 653 00:43:29,580 --> 00:43:33,480 for it and go ahead. But it's really hard to be a good 654 00:43:33,480 --> 00:43:37,320 youtuber and a good podcaster at the same time. I'm not even sure 655 00:43:37,320 --> 00:43:41,400 you can is some people can kind of get away with it, kind of the 656 00:43:41,430 --> 00:43:45,240 the LEX Friedman's to the Joe Rogan's, but it's you know, 657 00:43:45,240 --> 00:43:50,490 that's, that's really, really hard to do. And it's almost I 658 00:43:50,490 --> 00:43:52,410 think, for most people, like you have to kind of pick one of 659 00:43:52,410 --> 00:43:58,200 them, to be honest. And so then if you're doing that, I'm not 660 00:43:58,200 --> 00:44:01,650 sure you'd actually want a lot of the YouTube replication in 661 00:44:01,650 --> 00:44:05,850 podcasting apps because it is different. So so just for 662 00:44:05,850 --> 00:44:13,260 example, like doing a live episode with the with the 663 00:44:13,260 --> 00:44:17,490 YouTube, you have to focus on a lot more things like the video 664 00:44:17,520 --> 00:44:23,310 can get out of sync with the audio. There's, there's it's got 665 00:44:23,310 --> 00:44:26,700 its own separate chat system if you're trying to do it on 666 00:44:26,700 --> 00:44:30,750 YouTube or Twitch or anything like that. And this is where 667 00:44:30,750 --> 00:44:35,310 it's just like I would I would kind of say you have so many 668 00:44:35,310 --> 00:44:38,400 aspects of video that are great, but they're probably good at 669 00:44:38,400 --> 00:44:44,220 just being video. And so when it comes to replicating things of 670 00:44:44,220 --> 00:44:48,750 the live chat, for example in a podcasting app, I just don't 671 00:44:48,750 --> 00:44:52,170 know if you need as much as as is there I think kind of like 672 00:44:52,170 --> 00:44:55,710 you're saying an IRC chat is pretty good and and some booster 673 00:44:55,710 --> 00:44:58,620 grams. That's something that we do really well obviously and 674 00:44:58,620 --> 00:45:01,710 that YouTube doesn't have as much you know, they've got the 675 00:45:01,710 --> 00:45:05,670 super chats, I guess. But I don't really see that used as as 676 00:45:05,670 --> 00:45:08,340 much as, as the podcasting apps Do. 677 00:45:10,019 --> 00:45:14,309 Dave Jones: Do. Do I want to hear I do want to hear Tom 678 00:45:14,339 --> 00:45:15,929 brought clips of a new media 679 00:45:15,930 --> 00:45:17,880 Adam Curry: show. I don't know if you heard it. You know, I was 680 00:45:17,880 --> 00:45:23,340 in the car. Driving back. This was this. Can I just let me just 681 00:45:23,340 --> 00:45:25,800 wrap this up for one second. I have one more thing to say. Oh, 682 00:45:25,800 --> 00:45:32,370 yeah, sure. I have such deep appreciation for Julie Costello. 683 00:45:32,520 --> 00:45:38,400 Jim Costello. Of course. Ainsley just loud, his team who I don't 684 00:45:38,400 --> 00:45:44,610 know. Thank you. Thank you for trusting us. Thank you for the 685 00:45:44,640 --> 00:45:49,410 hours of phone calls with everybody. That's Julie, mainly, 686 00:45:49,410 --> 00:45:54,540 thank you for the 10,000 word emails. Thank you for trusting 687 00:45:54,810 --> 00:45:58,140 one of the most precious things you have your daughter to this 688 00:45:58,140 --> 00:46:02,250 group of nut jobs. That could have gone horribly wrong in so 689 00:46:02,250 --> 00:46:07,110 many ways. Also, thank you to the venue. Thank you to open 690 00:46:07,110 --> 00:46:13,470 mic, of Avenue one. Thank you to the nostre people who we're all 691 00:46:13,470 --> 00:46:18,900 a part of this, it for me personally, this was a huge, 692 00:46:18,930 --> 00:46:25,080 huge thing that we are. This was like Moon guy launch. The I want 693 00:46:25,080 --> 00:46:28,080 my V for V is what I was all I could think of the whole time. 694 00:46:28,320 --> 00:46:32,040 It's like I've seen this revolution happened. I've been a 695 00:46:32,040 --> 00:46:36,540 part of this than the 80s and now something new is happening. 696 00:46:36,720 --> 00:46:39,600 And I am what I'm for one. I'm with you, Dave. I'm like, the 697 00:46:39,600 --> 00:46:45,150 kids are off to college. This is great. We're here. You know, 698 00:46:45,270 --> 00:46:48,240 when you're out of money and you know you're hungry, we're gonna 699 00:46:48,240 --> 00:46:52,890 send you a care package. We're gonna send you some clothes for 700 00:46:52,890 --> 00:46:57,000 the winter rent. Okay, money you know, we're here we're here for 701 00:46:57,000 --> 00:47:00,060 you. But I think I think everyone's graduated and 702 00:47:00,300 --> 00:47:06,000 congratulations to everybody. And believe me when I say that 703 00:47:06,000 --> 00:47:11,790 the this the value block and the splits is that is what keeps us 704 00:47:11,790 --> 00:47:15,420 all together. That is what has made this successful. Because 705 00:47:15,420 --> 00:47:19,860 even if it's just 1% When I when I saw that, that value block 706 00:47:20,220 --> 00:47:23,340 that that Julie was very specific, she wanted to make 707 00:47:23,340 --> 00:47:28,200 sure everybody was in there. And and how Dolby Das was popping, 708 00:47:28,200 --> 00:47:32,400 boom, switching the value block live, my head was exploding. How 709 00:47:32,400 --> 00:47:34,950 beautiful that wasn't that it worked everywhere perfectly. No, 710 00:47:34,950 --> 00:47:41,070 not yet. But we have created something really, it look, MTV 711 00:47:41,070 --> 00:47:44,580 sucked in the early days was all kinds of things wrong and all 712 00:47:44,580 --> 00:47:48,420 kinds of, you know, black black screens and stuff not starting 713 00:47:48,420 --> 00:47:51,180 and I could go into how that why that all happened. It was all 714 00:47:51,420 --> 00:47:56,580 basically, you know, Betamax tapes, and the whole thing was 715 00:47:56,580 --> 00:48:00,870 was chewing gum and the gaffer tape and we're kind of in that 716 00:48:00,870 --> 00:48:04,770 same place. But man, do we have a future and I'm so 717 00:48:04,770 --> 00:48:09,480 appreciative. Everybody who worked on this, and and it was 718 00:48:09,480 --> 00:48:13,080 just I was just jumping for joy. I mean, there were tears coming 719 00:48:13,080 --> 00:48:16,650 down my face. When I when Ainsley is reading off booster 720 00:48:16,650 --> 00:48:20,280 grams, I couldn't believe and the video working everywhere. I 721 00:48:20,280 --> 00:48:24,120 mean, who needs What's this bowl crap about video. It works. I 722 00:48:24,120 --> 00:48:26,820 don't know how that happened. But all of a sudden video works 723 00:48:26,820 --> 00:48:31,170 in my apps. Like, okay, it just is there. It was beautiful. 724 00:48:31,200 --> 00:48:34,890 Dave Jones: It didn't just work. It was like, crisp, beautiful. 725 00:48:34,920 --> 00:48:36,930 Like yes, spotless. 726 00:48:36,960 --> 00:48:40,800 Adam Curry: Yes. And the audio Thank you. The audio was killer. 727 00:48:41,700 --> 00:48:45,810 You know, just everything was stellar. I can't wait for what 728 00:48:45,810 --> 00:48:50,070 everyone's going to do next. And and really the whole, the whole 729 00:48:50,100 --> 00:48:53,910 music side of this you guys I love you. I love you so much for 730 00:48:54,210 --> 00:48:59,700 for taking this taking this leap of huge faith. And I'm glad that 731 00:48:59,700 --> 00:49:02,580 it worked. You know, we all know that. It's Dred Scott, 732 00:49:02,580 --> 00:49:06,660 basically, who funded the whole thing. We know how it works. We 733 00:49:06,660 --> 00:49:10,020 know you know he was boosting everyone. One 734 00:49:10,020 --> 00:49:14,700 Dave Jones: one 100 100k says 1000s 100,000 SATs after another 735 00:49:14,700 --> 00:49:15,210 just boom, boom, 736 00:49:15,330 --> 00:49:18,270 Adam Curry: boom, boom, boom. And you know, and don't discount 737 00:49:18,270 --> 00:49:21,060 those streaming stats. You know, there's more people like Dave 738 00:49:21,060 --> 00:49:24,000 Jones sitting in the theater streaming 1000 SATs a minute, 739 00:49:24,000 --> 00:49:29,070 you know, this, it's not just about the boost anyway, is 740 00:49:29,070 --> 00:49:31,020 Kyrin Down: the biggest difference. You think the value 741 00:49:31,020 --> 00:49:35,430 for value component is what really differentiates it from a 742 00:49:35,430 --> 00:49:38,340 YouTube experience or a twitch experience or hopefully even 743 00:49:38,340 --> 00:49:39,570 just a podcasting? 744 00:49:39,600 --> 00:49:42,720 Adam Curry: Well, totally because, well, there's it 745 00:49:42,720 --> 00:49:46,050 differentiates it from Nasir differentiates from everything. 746 00:49:46,530 --> 00:49:51,150 The whole idea that everybody who's participating gets a piece 747 00:49:51,150 --> 00:49:54,810 of value sent back directly from the people who are enjoying the 748 00:49:54,810 --> 00:49:59,520 content or the value they're receiving. That's it. That's why 749 00:49:59,520 --> 00:50:00,720 we're still together 750 00:50:01,740 --> 00:50:06,180 Dave Jones: that's why he misses everybody misses not everybody. 751 00:50:06,390 --> 00:50:11,910 Many people miss a component of value for value because it's 752 00:50:11,940 --> 00:50:16,770 it's it multiple things all at once and ever is a lot of people 753 00:50:16,770 --> 00:50:19,290 miss one piece or the other 754 00:50:19,320 --> 00:50:22,140 Adam Curry: even Burberry says the lighting designer even got a 755 00:50:22,140 --> 00:50:22,590 split. 756 00:50:23,310 --> 00:50:26,580 Dave Jones: I see that's the thing is like you that. And 757 00:50:26,580 --> 00:50:31,020 that's the part that I won't say the quote noster people because 758 00:50:31,020 --> 00:50:34,350 I don't think that's fair. But that's that's on the nostril 759 00:50:34,350 --> 00:50:38,790 side of things they haven't they haven't caught the importance of 760 00:50:38,790 --> 00:50:42,510 that yet, which is the full stack, everybody gets a cut. 761 00:50:42,540 --> 00:50:46,860 Yeah, if you can't do it that way, it doesn't work. It doesn't 762 00:50:46,860 --> 00:50:51,750 because people give up. If you can't, the value flow doesn't 763 00:50:51,750 --> 00:50:57,240 always have to be monetary. But that's one clear expression that 764 00:50:57,240 --> 00:51:02,100 you can do with because if people just if people are 765 00:51:02,100 --> 00:51:06,060 participating, this happens, this happens with everything. 766 00:51:06,660 --> 00:51:12,030 People come and go in a project. In open source, you'll have one 767 00:51:12,030 --> 00:51:15,900 person that just works their their butt off for months. They 768 00:51:15,900 --> 00:51:19,140 don't get anything for it other than the enjoyment of doing it. 769 00:51:19,380 --> 00:51:22,830 When the enjoyment fades, they go they fade, they disappear. 770 00:51:23,160 --> 00:51:23,490 And then we 771 00:51:23,490 --> 00:51:24,210 Unknown: get them forgotten. 772 00:51:24,930 --> 00:51:28,380 Dave Jones: And they're gonna and then you Yeah, and then you 773 00:51:28,380 --> 00:51:33,210 get next cloud or whatever. The but but when you can have the 774 00:51:33,210 --> 00:51:39,540 split where everybody can share in the in in the revenue. It 775 00:51:39,540 --> 00:51:43,770 changes the game. Now it's no now it's no longer people just 776 00:51:43,770 --> 00:51:45,990 doing it simply out of the out of the kindness of their 777 00:51:45,990 --> 00:51:52,050 Adam Curry: heart. Oh, and one other thing. I loved how the 778 00:51:52,050 --> 00:51:57,240 homegrown hits gals. They come to the live feed during their 779 00:51:57,240 --> 00:52:03,090 live show. Oh, that's cool. And yeah, but also the promotion. 780 00:52:03,450 --> 00:52:07,230 That and this is this is where a pro like Julie Costello comes 781 00:52:07,230 --> 00:52:13,020 in. I heard Bo Cody Christopher with music sidestream podcast. 782 00:52:13,050 --> 00:52:17,670 He did a quick interview with Ainsley. There was a shoot of 783 00:52:17,670 --> 00:52:23,550 Sam Sethi had Ainsley and just loud on pod news weekly review. 784 00:52:23,850 --> 00:52:28,500 I mean, it was it was like a real, that's an industry. Right? 785 00:52:28,500 --> 00:52:32,040 That's an industry. That's how an industry works. That's the 786 00:52:32,040 --> 00:52:34,710 podcast industrial complex. That's how an industry works 787 00:52:34,710 --> 00:52:39,510 together to promote things to work together. And you know, 788 00:52:39,510 --> 00:52:42,360 when when Ainsley is on the sidestream music podcast with 789 00:52:42,360 --> 00:52:46,380 Cody, he streaming value, he gets value, she gets value, it's 790 00:52:46,380 --> 00:52:50,100 just value flying everywhere. I get up sometimes in the middle 791 00:52:50,100 --> 00:52:55,170 of the night. I'll be honest about if I wake up, maybe 792 00:52:55,170 --> 00:52:57,780 sometimes I'll wake up at 3am I'm old now. So that happens 793 00:52:57,780 --> 00:52:57,960 like 794 00:52:58,950 --> 00:53:00,060 Dave Jones: oh, yeah, you gotta pee. Yeah. 795 00:53:01,500 --> 00:53:07,230 Adam Curry: And, and I will open up my zap, I think it's zap, 796 00:53:07,230 --> 00:53:10,710 well, that changed the name of it, they change it to bit 797 00:53:10,710 --> 00:53:15,780 banana, whatever. And I and I use that one because I can bring 798 00:53:15,780 --> 00:53:22,110 up the podcast index node. And I will just watch and see one 799 00:53:22,110 --> 00:53:28,920 Satoshi at a time streaming in. And it makes me incredibly happy 800 00:53:29,070 --> 00:53:29,430 now. 801 00:53:30,630 --> 00:53:33,540 Dave Jones: It's like watching a fish. I can just your I can 802 00:53:33,540 --> 00:53:36,990 imagine you at three o'clock in the morning, staring a helipad. 803 00:53:37,320 --> 00:53:40,170 Adam Curry: It was it was it's like basically helipad. But you 804 00:53:40,170 --> 00:53:43,710 know, but I see the whole index. And I don't see, I don't see 805 00:53:43,710 --> 00:53:46,830 booster grams or anything. It's just I see the, I just see one 806 00:53:46,830 --> 00:53:49,890 set, you know, 20 SATs, because we're just getting a percentage 807 00:53:49,890 --> 00:53:53,880 of stuff. And some of its for our for this podcast. So maybe a 808 00:53:53,880 --> 00:53:57,480 higher amount. But I and you know, every minute there's 809 00:53:57,540 --> 00:54:01,830 1215 20 Different payments per minute. And I just know that at 810 00:54:01,860 --> 00:54:07,710 that moment. There's people 20 people around the world sending 811 00:54:07,710 --> 00:54:13,950 value to podcasters musicians, apps, services, da 812 00:54:15,270 --> 00:54:19,470 Kyrin Down: didn't give you my slight an early prediction, 813 00:54:19,500 --> 00:54:23,640 which was for the pod Newsweekly. And my prediction 814 00:54:23,640 --> 00:54:27,120 for 2024 was it's just going to be all about collaboration you 815 00:54:27,120 --> 00:54:31,920 because you get so much access to not not need to trust 816 00:54:31,920 --> 00:54:35,850 somebody for this payment is gonna go here and then it will 817 00:54:35,850 --> 00:54:39,630 get there eventually and and that all that sort of just, I 818 00:54:39,630 --> 00:54:44,580 don't know, what was call it wasting of time or just the non 819 00:54:44,580 --> 00:54:48,720 directness of it. And so even when like looking, if you're on 820 00:54:48,720 --> 00:54:51,540 like Tiktok or something and someone's got music, and they're 821 00:54:51,540 --> 00:54:54,420 dancing, and that that becomes really popular, like the 822 00:54:54,420 --> 00:54:58,620 musician gets nothing of that. So it's just yeah, with with 823 00:54:58,620 --> 00:55:00,600 everything being connected like that and And then being able to 824 00:55:00,600 --> 00:55:04,140 verify it and see it. That's at that's, that's a real game this 825 00:55:04,140 --> 00:55:08,190 Adam Curry: morning, as I woke up at six, and I'm still jacked, 826 00:55:08,460 --> 00:55:12,270 and and Tina asked some really good question. She says, So how 827 00:55:12,270 --> 00:55:14,730 does it really work? The music business? How does it get played 828 00:55:14,730 --> 00:55:17,460 when a song is on the radio? And, you know, just running 829 00:55:17,460 --> 00:55:19,830 through all that, and you know, and basically the end of the 830 00:55:19,830 --> 00:55:24,450 day, after 48 months, you know, a penny drops into your into 831 00:55:24,450 --> 00:55:28,140 your piggy bank there. And that's it. And she has and she's 832 00:55:28,140 --> 00:55:30,960 went holy crap. And I wish I'd recorded it because I was really 833 00:55:31,320 --> 00:55:35,970 lucid, lucid. And I said, Holy crap, no wonder everyone's so 834 00:55:35,970 --> 00:55:39,990 excited to Yes, exactly. And that's the magic that is that is 835 00:55:39,990 --> 00:55:45,420 created here. And it's like even even advertising. And this will 836 00:55:45,420 --> 00:55:49,860 pivot into I think, what is your clips, Dave? So advertising. And 837 00:55:50,460 --> 00:55:54,690 a, an advertiser A brand wants to advertise their product or 838 00:55:54,690 --> 00:55:57,900 service, they call their advertising agency, they say we 839 00:55:57,900 --> 00:55:59,880 want to do this. Now, you know, what includes some podcasts, 840 00:55:59,940 --> 00:56:05,160 okay? Then the agency has their media plan, or the media planner 841 00:56:05,280 --> 00:56:07,860 is going to look around is going to figure out what the best 842 00:56:07,860 --> 00:56:10,650 thing is. And then the media planners, because Okay, when 843 00:56:10,650 --> 00:56:13,230 they come up with a plan, we have some more meetings, the 844 00:56:13,230 --> 00:56:16,830 advertiser signs off on it, they sign off on a budget, then the 845 00:56:16,830 --> 00:56:20,940 media buyer goes out. And then the podcast whether the it let's 846 00:56:20,940 --> 00:56:24,330 just say its host reads a mix of some host reads and some 847 00:56:24,480 --> 00:56:27,840 dynamically inserted ads, of course, creative has to be made. 848 00:56:28,170 --> 00:56:31,020 All of that has to be approved and go through that process are 849 00:56:31,050 --> 00:56:33,750 mistakenly, oh, let's just repurpose the radio ads doesn't 850 00:56:33,750 --> 00:56:39,210 matter. Then all of the podcast networks or the podcast shows, 851 00:56:39,510 --> 00:56:43,140 they have to sign affidavits and say, okay, these these ads were 852 00:56:43,140 --> 00:56:48,570 delivered. This was delivered this many times. You know, and 853 00:56:48,570 --> 00:56:51,750 this is through the metrics, and here's the proof, it's ay ay b, 854 00:56:51,750 --> 00:56:55,410 and then that goes back to the agency. And the agency tallies 855 00:56:55,410 --> 00:56:58,140 that all up. It goes into their accounting. And then the 856 00:56:58,140 --> 00:57:03,150 accounting sends a bill to the client net 90. So 90 days later, 857 00:57:03,330 --> 00:57:06,750 they're going to pay their agency, the agency takes a fee. 858 00:57:06,990 --> 00:57:09,600 There's all these than the network takes a fee. And then 859 00:57:09,600 --> 00:57:13,500 finally, somewhere down the line. 456 months later, the 860 00:57:13,500 --> 00:57:17,910 podcaster gets a couple of dimes. Yeah, that's literally 861 00:57:17,910 --> 00:57:21,690 the process. And then I only have one clip that I'll play 862 00:57:21,690 --> 00:57:27,600 here. And I believe that we are going to see agencies on behalf 863 00:57:27,630 --> 00:57:33,690 of their clients going to podcast networks, podcast shows, 864 00:57:33,870 --> 00:57:38,400 and they're going to say they want money back or they want 865 00:57:38,430 --> 00:57:44,220 make goods because Rob Walsh of Lipson said the quiet part out 866 00:57:44,220 --> 00:57:47,910 loud. Literally said this, 867 00:57:47,970 --> 00:57:52,050 Unknown: if shows have over 300 episodes, they could and should 868 00:57:52,050 --> 00:57:55,860 expect to see their total weekly downloads at the end of November 869 00:57:55,920 --> 00:58:00,630 be greater than a 25% drop below where their weekly numbers were 870 00:58:00,660 --> 00:58:03,870 in early September. Here's the thing, and I want people to 871 00:58:03,870 --> 00:58:08,340 remember this. Your audience size did not change those 872 00:58:08,340 --> 00:58:10,680 numbers. That was extra downloads that were happening to 873 00:58:10,680 --> 00:58:13,650 your back catalogue weren't being listened to. It's just 874 00:58:13,710 --> 00:58:18,330 right sizing your downloads your monthly and weekly downloads to 875 00:58:18,330 --> 00:58:21,420 what's more realistic, and what's really happening. Well, 876 00:58:21,420 --> 00:58:21,930 thanks 877 00:58:21,960 --> 00:58:25,110 Adam Curry: so you overcharged me by 25% for the same amount of 878 00:58:25,110 --> 00:58:27,990 people. He literally just said 879 00:58:27,990 --> 00:58:31,140 Dave Jones: that is called right 880 00:58:31,140 --> 00:58:33,990 Adam Curry: sizing. Oh, right sizing. Okay, there you go. 881 00:58:33,990 --> 00:58:36,840 Dave Jones: Yeah, it's not you didn't get ripped off. You got 882 00:58:36,900 --> 00:58:40,320 you got wrong size. So that you need to right size that 883 00:58:40,350 --> 00:58:43,650 Adam Curry: I mean, that's her rific Well, this 884 00:58:43,650 --> 00:58:47,730 Dave Jones: is the same thing that causes in this is the joy 885 00:58:47,850 --> 00:58:52,380 that I have right now is to share with you that Todd, Todd's 886 00:58:52,380 --> 00:58:53,010 F bomb. 887 00:58:55,260 --> 00:58:57,420 Adam Curry: That's the second clip. Okay. Okay, 888 00:58:57,420 --> 00:59:01,350 Dave Jones: well, well, let's we can we can tease the F bomb 889 00:59:01,350 --> 00:59:09,600 because the Kratt the I'm proud to say that in that we I 890 00:59:09,600 --> 00:59:16,500 predicted on the last show that we would that we would wear Todd 891 00:59:16,500 --> 00:59:23,040 down. And in that it he would he would indeed adopt the Austrian 892 00:59:23,040 --> 00:59:23,970 enclosure because we 893 00:59:23,970 --> 00:59:26,400 Adam Curry: didn't take more than 20 hours. 894 00:59:27,870 --> 00:59:32,040 Dave Jones: When Todd discuss discussing things with Todd is 895 00:59:32,040 --> 00:59:36,060 more is more of a negotiation than anything else we eat when 896 00:59:36,060 --> 00:59:41,130 he says no, that doesn't really mean no. it mean it means I'm 897 00:59:41,130 --> 00:59:46,440 just not ready yet. Like you can use it means you need to change 898 00:59:46,440 --> 00:59:51,720 tactics. And he's and I'm happy to report that the cracks are 899 00:59:51,720 --> 00:59:52,230 forming. 900 00:59:52,380 --> 00:59:54,300 Todd Cochran: While there is there is a little bit of 901 00:59:54,300 --> 01:00:00,000 initiative over at podcasting. 2.0 No, it's early on what 902 01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:03,150 they're gonna do. And so the 903 01:00:03,360 --> 01:00:06,150 Unknown: large thing is, yeah, it was thought of you. 904 01:00:06,180 --> 01:00:09,660 Todd Cochran: But what you know the idea that spin surface that 905 01:00:09,660 --> 01:00:15,720 seems to be pretty good is Yeah, sure rock, blueberry supports 906 01:00:15,720 --> 01:00:18,690 video podcasting, you want one traditionally you can have one. 907 01:00:19,170 --> 01:00:22,560 Okay, if you want one. Number two, if you decide to put your 908 01:00:22,560 --> 01:00:28,680 video over at wherever it may be Twitch, Twitter, Spotify, 909 01:00:29,010 --> 01:00:33,600 wherever now, YouTube, wherever you're going to close, you can 910 01:00:33,600 --> 01:00:38,220 put in the list, okay, whatever. So if you want to put your video 911 01:00:38,220 --> 01:00:44,670 over there, you know you can. But what we're going to do is do 912 01:00:44,670 --> 01:00:48,930 the alternate enclosure tag, which I vowed not to support 913 01:00:49,200 --> 01:00:53,820 from the main purpose of it, but I can see a use case going 914 01:00:53,820 --> 01:00:59,910 forward where we just link to the YouTube video. In the often 915 01:00:59,910 --> 01:01:02,790 enclosure, we just basically provide a link to the episode 916 01:01:02,790 --> 01:01:07,560 link. So then when they're in the podcast app, they can still 917 01:01:07,560 --> 01:01:11,790 get their audio version. Or if they want the video version that 918 01:01:11,790 --> 01:01:14,850 served up from YouTube, they can do that as an embed right in the 919 01:01:14,850 --> 01:01:18,960 app. And it still keeps it in a podcast app. 920 01:01:21,000 --> 01:01:26,340 Dave Jones: Yeah, so welcome to the party. We love Utah. And 921 01:01:26,370 --> 01:01:30,900 this we will see you with full video Ultraman enclosure support 922 01:01:30,930 --> 01:01:34,320 in the near future. Good. 923 01:01:34,920 --> 01:01:38,160 Adam Curry: I was gonna say I love the show so much. I was on 924 01:01:38,160 --> 01:01:42,330 my way back from Austin. I get in the car to drive back. I see 925 01:01:42,330 --> 01:01:45,840 the notification. It's only two minutes old. I'm like, Oh, this 926 01:01:45,840 --> 01:01:50,790 is great. So I pop it on the on the on the car Bluetooth, and 927 01:01:50,790 --> 01:01:54,360 I'm driving and I am just booster grabbing like nuts. I'm 928 01:01:54,360 --> 01:02:00,900 like, I'm disowning Rob. Like, they're like, Hey, who's gonna 929 01:02:00,900 --> 01:02:03,450 do chapters and said it's very easy to do chapters for your 930 01:02:03,450 --> 01:02:09,210 show is just chapter one through 10 Rob shields for YouTube. You 931 01:02:09,210 --> 01:02:09,420 know, 932 01:02:11,040 --> 01:02:13,410 Dave Jones: this was the greatest episode of new media 933 01:02:13,410 --> 01:02:17,400 show I've ever heard. It was so funny. Without a doubt. I mean, 934 01:02:17,400 --> 01:02:22,050 and so I mean, in that vein, I mean, we please F bomb it. 935 01:02:22,350 --> 01:02:26,700 Todd Cochran: We need to we need to put some some brakes on why 936 01:02:27,030 --> 01:02:30,690 there's less than one half of 1% 937 01:02:32,010 --> 01:02:34,680 Unknown: We'll talk why. Why do we need to put brakes, 938 01:02:34,950 --> 01:02:38,010 Todd Cochran: we quit. We need to, we need to quit. We need to 939 01:02:38,010 --> 01:02:41,460 quit pumping it up. There's very few people on podcasting site 940 01:02:41,460 --> 01:02:45,030 that has actually switched to video. It's not that big a 941 01:02:45,030 --> 01:02:50,730 numbers. It's not. It's not that many as compared to audio folks. 942 01:02:50,850 --> 01:02:54,330 We don't have to tell him to stop. But we need to quit hyping 943 01:02:54,330 --> 01:02:58,560 it as this new fucking frontier and everyone is gotta be on it's 944 01:02:58,560 --> 01:03:04,890 not true. I would say less than 5% less than maybe less than 3% 945 01:03:04,890 --> 01:03:07,230 of podcasters currently are doing any video. 946 01:03:11,190 --> 01:03:15,510 Dave Jones: So this is this is. This was to me the best part is 947 01:03:15,510 --> 01:03:21,120 this discussion between and I've tried to make this. I've tried 948 01:03:21,120 --> 01:03:25,380 to make this point before it recently is that this whole? 949 01:03:25,770 --> 01:03:32,940 Like, it's become obvious to me that this schism between AD AD 950 01:03:32,940 --> 01:03:37,200 research and digital advertising research in the podcast 951 01:03:37,200 --> 01:03:43,110 industry. And in the hosting company slash infrastructure. Is 952 01:03:43,140 --> 01:03:48,480 this is a this is destined for for a reckoning here. Yeah, 953 01:03:48,510 --> 01:03:53,490 because they're the digital advertising industry is leading 954 01:03:54,150 --> 01:03:58,950 Korea's leading podcasters down one path in the hosting 955 01:03:58,950 --> 01:04:04,080 companies just like Todd is talking about here is the 956 01:04:04,080 --> 01:04:09,390 hosting company see it for what it is, which is BS. But the 957 01:04:09,390 --> 01:04:12,360 digital advertising companies they're just dying to get 958 01:04:12,690 --> 01:04:18,330 everybody focused on video and YouTube. He talks about that in 959 01:04:18,330 --> 01:04:21,120 clip three about the tension between those two. What 960 01:04:21,120 --> 01:04:24,090 Unknown: I'm saying is what we need to recognize is that this 961 01:04:24,090 --> 01:04:28,890 is a unified audience that is I am audio and video had no 962 01:04:28,890 --> 01:04:32,220 Todd Cochran: doubt that we meet we need to set expectations 963 01:04:32,220 --> 01:04:35,670 realistically for the average podcaster on what's going to 964 01:04:35,670 --> 01:04:38,310 happen when they go invest and do a whole bunch of work on 965 01:04:38,310 --> 01:04:39,630 video. Very 966 01:04:39,630 --> 01:04:43,110 Unknown: few are pastor pastor figure that out for them so that 967 01:04:43,110 --> 01:04:46,410 Todd Cochran: we need to okay, if I'm sitting here and saying 968 01:04:46,410 --> 01:04:49,350 video, podcasting is the next biggest thing and this is where 969 01:04:49,350 --> 01:04:53,820 you need to invest your money. I'm doing a disservice to 970 01:04:53,820 --> 01:04:57,570 podcaster I have to send the expectation level of what's 971 01:04:57,570 --> 01:05:00,450 going to happen when you do video. If you You're gonna do 972 01:05:00,870 --> 01:05:05,040 Unknown: have to set a low expectation for what somebody 973 01:05:05,040 --> 01:05:05,850 might expect, because 974 01:05:05,850 --> 01:05:08,970 Todd Cochran: that's what's gonna happen to 99% of people. 975 01:05:09,090 --> 01:05:13,200 Adam Curry: I appreciate what Todd is doing here, because this 976 01:05:13,200 --> 01:05:16,470 is exactly what happened in 2008. My balls were not as big 977 01:05:16,470 --> 01:05:21,030 as his. It was, it was the venture capitalists, we had pod 978 01:05:21,030 --> 01:05:25,020 show. And we went so because they were like, look at YouTube, 979 01:05:25,020 --> 01:05:27,780 YouTube just launched that's a $2 billion, you know, blah, 980 01:05:27,780 --> 01:05:32,970 blah, blah. Look at juice remember juiced? And you know, J 981 01:05:32,970 --> 01:05:34,200 O S T? 982 01:05:34,770 --> 01:05:36,420 Dave Jones: O, what a terrible name. 983 01:05:36,450 --> 01:05:39,150 Adam Curry: Oh, no, you gotta be more like, juiced? Oh, yeah, 984 01:05:39,180 --> 01:05:43,410 this was, this was like some video thing. The I mean, I don't 985 01:05:43,410 --> 01:05:46,080 think anyone even remembers it. But it was hot for like five 986 01:05:46,080 --> 01:05:51,630 days. And we not only went all video, we changed the name to me 987 01:05:51,630 --> 01:05:55,500 VO We changed it away from pod from pod show, we did all of 988 01:05:55,500 --> 01:06:00,090 that, and failed spectacularly, because it was the wrong thing 989 01:06:00,090 --> 01:06:04,710 to do. And if we kept that company going for 10 years, 10 990 01:06:04,710 --> 01:06:09,030 years, $65 million, it'd be we met revenue. But you know, the 991 01:06:09,030 --> 01:06:11,940 burn was just eventually the burned, it just overtook the 992 01:06:11,940 --> 01:06:16,680 revenue. Because it was just it wasn't there. And the costs were 993 01:06:16,680 --> 01:06:19,890 too high of a network, you can't monetize the network for a whole 994 01:06:19,890 --> 01:06:24,750 bunch of reasons. And if we had only done just audio, then had 995 01:06:25,410 --> 01:06:30,180 them had had gone to a different monetization model. If we had 996 01:06:30,180 --> 01:06:33,390 figured out value for value earlier, we might have made it. 997 01:06:34,050 --> 01:06:34,770 But now, 998 01:06:35,460 --> 01:06:40,740 Dave Jones: now, the whole time during this discussion, Rob, 999 01:06:40,770 --> 01:06:47,040 Rob's whole point was based on on this, this research survey, 1000 01:06:47,490 --> 01:06:50,640 done by sounds profitable. And he just kept saying the 1001 01:06:50,640 --> 01:06:54,780 research, the research the research, and like an antenna, 1002 01:06:54,810 --> 01:07:00,840 the top end clip for Todd tall is he's trying to say look, I 1003 01:07:00,840 --> 01:07:04,650 don't care what your research says. I know what the reality of 1004 01:07:04,650 --> 01:07:08,430 this is in the research is wrong. And so he keeps He keeps 1005 01:07:08,430 --> 01:07:12,090 talking trying to convince him and Rob can't see outside this 1006 01:07:12,090 --> 01:07:16,050 research thing, which is the thing that is the problem. All 1007 01:07:16,050 --> 01:07:19,740 Todd Cochran: I'm saying is that if we keep hyping video. 1008 01:07:20,430 --> 01:07:23,550 Alright, let's start hyping video every day you have to do 1009 01:07:23,550 --> 01:07:28,020 video. Then someone about a year from now is gonna say, Todd Rob, 1010 01:07:28,020 --> 01:07:32,310 why did you tell me to do video? I've had no success on video. 1011 01:07:33,480 --> 01:07:35,820 But I've had great success with my audio program. 1012 01:07:36,570 --> 01:07:39,150 Unknown: I didn't tell anybody to do video. Well, 1013 01:07:39,150 --> 01:07:41,580 Todd Cochran: it sounds like you are. Well, this 1014 01:07:41,580 --> 01:07:44,520 Unknown: research is showing that for 1015 01:07:44,550 --> 01:07:48,510 Todd Cochran: a segment of very big shows. Okay, 1016 01:07:48,660 --> 01:07:52,620 Unknown: but if you look at these overall numbers that that 1017 01:07:52,980 --> 01:07:53,790 Tom shape that 1018 01:07:53,790 --> 01:07:57,540 Todd Cochran: listening to very big shows what where is the 1019 01:07:57,540 --> 01:08:01,410 distribution amongst smaller shows on YouTube? It's not 1020 01:08:01,410 --> 01:08:02,340 there. Dave 1021 01:08:02,340 --> 01:08:05,130 Adam Curry: Jones, I love you for so many reasons. I'm going 1022 01:08:05,130 --> 01:08:08,880 to tell you why I love first of all, I love you to rob. And 1023 01:08:09,030 --> 01:08:12,390 don't worry, Todd and Rob will have this conversation next week 1024 01:08:12,390 --> 01:08:15,780 and the week after and the week after and the week after. That 1025 01:08:15,780 --> 01:08:17,430 will keep on going and it's 1026 01:08:17,429 --> 01:08:18,929 Dave Jones: this this one catch the reruns. 1027 01:08:20,790 --> 01:08:22,860 Adam Curry: And just when I think I'm mad, and I can't 1028 01:08:22,860 --> 01:08:27,870 listen to it anymore, it gets entertaining. I was planning for 1029 01:08:27,900 --> 01:08:33,690 my Sunday no agenda show to clip for similar reasons. But you're 1030 01:08:33,690 --> 01:08:36,900 tying it together beautifully here on the media, which now I 1031 01:08:36,900 --> 01:08:39,750 understand what what you because it's my hatless. You know where 1032 01:08:39,750 --> 01:08:42,210 I'm going. Oh, of course. I know where you're going. You're going 1033 01:08:42,210 --> 01:08:43,260 to the research. 1034 01:08:43,470 --> 01:08:47,760 Dave Jones: Yep, yep. Yep. And the so the on the media which 1035 01:08:47,790 --> 01:08:54,570 you this is a thing that you created within me. See, yes, the 1036 01:08:54,570 --> 01:08:58,800 hate listen. No, Karen, you don't have the joy in Australia 1037 01:08:58,830 --> 01:09:00,480 of listening to on the media. 1038 01:09:01,199 --> 01:09:04,679 Kyrin Down: No, well, I don't personally have to. Do 1039 01:09:04,680 --> 01:09:07,410 Adam Curry: you have a hate Listen, though? Ah, no. 1040 01:09:08,550 --> 01:09:10,710 Kyrin Down: There's nothing that I particularly do know. There's 1041 01:09:10,710 --> 01:09:14,460 there's tons of things where I I'll go to it intentionally 1042 01:09:14,550 --> 01:09:18,030 because I think it's dumb and want to see like if there's a 1043 01:09:18,030 --> 01:09:20,640 reason missing now. That's 1044 01:09:20,640 --> 01:09:23,430 Adam Curry: a hatless. I always wish that I could send boosts to 1045 01:09:23,430 --> 01:09:24,210 these shows. 1046 01:09:24,900 --> 01:09:25,770 Dave Jones: Oh, I do too. I 1047 01:09:25,770 --> 01:09:28,560 Adam Curry: would understand that I would be boosted now. I'd 1048 01:09:28,560 --> 01:09:31,830 be boosting so big to these people. Like this is stupid. 1049 01:09:31,830 --> 01:09:34,860 Here's 100,000 SATs I wish I could do that. What 1050 01:09:34,860 --> 01:09:38,310 Kyrin Down: my hate listen then would be this scammy list crypto 1051 01:09:38,310 --> 01:09:42,210 crap that I can find to see if there's anything like any reason 1052 01:09:42,210 --> 01:09:45,870 I should be focusing on anything really than Bitcoin. That's not 1053 01:09:47,189 --> 01:09:49,379 Dave Jones: a current if you don't have a hatless and I 1054 01:09:49,379 --> 01:09:52,349 highly suggest you go and get it's good for you. It's good for 1055 01:09:52,349 --> 01:09:57,899 fantastic. It's wonderful on the media is now I mean like it hits 1056 01:09:57,899 --> 01:10:02,549 my my podcast app and it's Immediate right away. Immediate. 1057 01:10:03,539 --> 01:10:11,009 And so like the the so on the media this week at the beginning 1058 01:10:11,009 --> 01:10:16,379 of it is like is the all A's just quoting all of these these 1059 01:10:16,409 --> 01:10:21,059 these, these surveys that our saying that Trump is beating 1060 01:10:21,059 --> 01:10:25,949 Biden in like everything? I mean, like swing states, Israel, 1061 01:10:25,979 --> 01:10:28,859 conflict, economy, mortar, 1062 01:10:28,860 --> 01:10:30,450 Adam Curry: anything anything Yeah, boy 1063 01:10:30,450 --> 01:10:33,780 Dave Jones: y'all are blue, whatever. It's just whether 1064 01:10:33,780 --> 01:10:35,310 cilantro tastes good. 1065 01:10:35,760 --> 01:10:39,570 Adam Curry: Everything kale is no good. Yeah. So 1066 01:10:39,630 --> 01:10:41,640 Dave Jones: then so they bring on they're like, Okay, well 1067 01:10:41,640 --> 01:10:44,730 let's dig into this let's find out about surveys. Let's let's 1068 01:10:44,730 --> 01:10:49,560 do this research this a little bit. And the Whoa, this they get 1069 01:10:49,560 --> 01:10:53,220 this lady from I think she's from the New York Times because 1070 01:10:53,220 --> 01:10:58,560 they did a joint poll with Siena College. And they they started 1071 01:10:58,740 --> 01:11:02,190 going over how they do these, these surveys. And this, this 1072 01:11:02,190 --> 01:11:07,350 ties in with what Rob is basing his thing on, which is surveys. 1073 01:11:07,860 --> 01:11:12,750 And they start off by talking about how the wording in surveys 1074 01:11:12,780 --> 01:11:14,580 is crucial. So 1075 01:11:14,610 --> 01:11:17,070 Todd Cochran: let's talk about the way a question is framed 1076 01:11:17,070 --> 01:11:19,800 because it can mean anything, and it can mean everything. 1077 01:11:20,190 --> 01:11:24,510 We're there debates about the wording of any questions in 1078 01:11:24,510 --> 01:11:26,010 these particular polls, 1079 01:11:26,760 --> 01:11:29,970 Unknown: in any poll, but in particular, this poll, we wanted 1080 01:11:29,970 --> 01:11:32,490 to be very careful and conscientious and how we worded 1081 01:11:32,490 --> 01:11:35,910 the questions because, you know, we know that the conflict 1082 01:11:35,910 --> 01:11:38,670 between Israel and Gaza right now is very complicated. And 1083 01:11:38,700 --> 01:11:41,850 even that choice of words I had now is really complicated, 1084 01:11:41,880 --> 01:11:44,280 right? We had to really think carefully about when we're 1085 01:11:44,280 --> 01:11:47,250 saying Gaza, when we're saying Palestinians, when we're saying 1086 01:11:47,280 --> 01:11:49,830 Israel, when we're saying the Israeli government, each of 1087 01:11:49,830 --> 01:11:54,510 those decisions was very, very careful. And with any poll, we 1088 01:11:54,510 --> 01:11:58,440 spend a lot of time thinking about question wording with sort 1089 01:11:58,440 --> 01:12:00,750 of two main goals. I 1090 01:12:00,750 --> 01:12:03,090 Adam Curry: was literally cooking burgers outside when I 1091 01:12:03,090 --> 01:12:06,690 was I hate listening to this. I'm like, Oh, this is so good. 1092 01:12:06,810 --> 01:12:08,280 This is so good. 1093 01:12:09,510 --> 01:12:11,520 Dave Jones: So what do you think the two main goals are? 1094 01:12:12,390 --> 01:12:15,060 Adam Curry: Well as chyron go higher, and where did I already 1095 01:12:15,060 --> 01:12:15,660 heard it? Oh, 1096 01:12:15,660 --> 01:12:17,280 Dave Jones: you already heard it? What are the two when it 1097 01:12:17,280 --> 01:12:20,250 comes to wording of survey questions. Karen, what are the 1098 01:12:20,250 --> 01:12:22,140 two main goals you can think of? 1099 01:12:23,400 --> 01:12:27,750 Kyrin Down: Jays that probably want some sort of participation? 1100 01:12:27,750 --> 01:12:31,260 Like I imagine if you're listening to a poll and you and 1101 01:12:31,290 --> 01:12:33,540 then you're ambivalent, then it's then it's not good. They 1102 01:12:33,540 --> 01:12:39,570 want to definite yes, or a definite no. So participation, 1103 01:12:39,570 --> 01:12:43,710 and then I mean, like they'd have their own bias, right. So 1104 01:12:43,710 --> 01:12:46,710 they'll probably be leaning at one way or another. It's very 1105 01:12:46,710 --> 01:12:50,940 hard to be truly neutral. So yeah, turning it to their what 1106 01:12:50,940 --> 01:12:53,250 they kind of want to hear. Okay, 1107 01:12:53,280 --> 01:12:55,140 Dave Jones: all right, let's, let's see what she has to say. 1108 01:12:55,260 --> 01:13:00,510 Unknown: The first is that a question feels fair to anybody 1109 01:13:00,510 --> 01:13:03,780 who's being asked it. We want to represent every single voter in 1110 01:13:03,780 --> 01:13:06,930 America, no matter their opinion, no matter where they 1111 01:13:06,930 --> 01:13:09,720 sit on the political spectrum. And so that means that every 1112 01:13:09,720 --> 01:13:12,300 voter in America should be able to look at these questions and 1113 01:13:12,300 --> 01:13:15,300 say, I see myself in those answer choices. There is an 1114 01:13:15,300 --> 01:13:19,470 answer choice there, that represents how I feel. So that 1115 01:13:19,470 --> 01:13:22,500 requires a lot of debate on the second thing that we spend a lot 1116 01:13:22,500 --> 01:13:26,490 of time doing is trying to ensure that the questions are 1117 01:13:26,490 --> 01:13:30,000 interpreted the same by everybody who's answering them. 1118 01:13:30,270 --> 01:13:32,400 Oftentimes with polls, we can get something what's called 1119 01:13:32,400 --> 01:13:35,700 measurement error, where we think we're measuring something 1120 01:13:35,700 --> 01:13:38,490 but different respondents interpret it different ways. And 1121 01:13:38,490 --> 01:13:41,520 so we again, spend a lot of time being very careful and very 1122 01:13:41,520 --> 01:13:42,570 precise. Can you 1123 01:13:42,570 --> 01:13:44,640 Adam Curry: imagine that meeting? Imagine working there 1124 01:13:44,640 --> 01:13:46,830 and sitting in that meeting? I 1125 01:13:46,830 --> 01:13:52,020 Dave Jones: love the I love these words. We it's like they 1126 01:13:52,050 --> 01:13:56,700 like they say, you know, we call that fill in the blank. And it's 1127 01:13:56,700 --> 01:14:00,270 always something you expect from instructing? Yeah, you're 1128 01:14:00,270 --> 01:14:04,170 expecting it to be some really fancy term, but it's the what do 1129 01:14:04,170 --> 01:14:08,790 they call it measurement error? Yeah, it's like, it's this thing 1130 01:14:08,790 --> 01:14:14,430 we call being wrong wrong. Just wrong, is not a fancy term. It's 1131 01:14:14,430 --> 01:14:18,690 just what it is. But so they go into this discussion about the 1132 01:14:18,690 --> 01:14:22,890 example of how it's super critical that you have, so that 1133 01:14:22,890 --> 01:14:25,830 you define the term ceasefire, right, if you're asking about 1134 01:14:25,830 --> 01:14:29,610 Libya, for Israeli Gaza conflict, and you define Gaza 1135 01:14:29,610 --> 01:14:33,480 correctly, and you and they give you an example of like, five 1136 01:14:33,480 --> 01:14:37,500 possible work, questions you should ask in order to encompass 1137 01:14:37,770 --> 01:14:41,160 all of the different points of view, and all of the political 1138 01:14:41,160 --> 01:14:44,160 spectrums and all of the nationality and all of the 1139 01:14:44,160 --> 01:14:46,830 different backgrounds so that nobody else and genders, 1140 01:14:46,830 --> 01:14:50,100 genders, genders, yes, everything you have to encompass 1141 01:14:50,130 --> 01:14:53,610 everything. So that takes at least like five or six different 1142 01:14:53,610 --> 01:14:57,750 questions, but they does not actually what they did they use 1143 01:14:57,750 --> 01:15:02,730 the thing called forced choice in clip three. So for 1144 01:15:02,730 --> 01:15:06,870 Unknown: me, as an analyst of polls, I wouldn't know how to 1145 01:15:06,870 --> 01:15:09,270 interpret that data because everybody's bringing their own 1146 01:15:09,270 --> 01:15:12,840 perspective to it. So instead, we had a forced choice option, 1147 01:15:13,170 --> 01:15:16,380 either Israel should stop its campaign in order to protect 1148 01:15:16,380 --> 01:15:19,320 against civilian casualties, even if not all the hostages are 1149 01:15:19,320 --> 01:15:22,980 released, or Israel should continue its military campaign 1150 01:15:23,010 --> 01:15:25,830 until all the hostages are released, even if it means 1151 01:15:25,830 --> 01:15:29,160 civilian casualties in Gaza might continue. Now, a lot of 1152 01:15:29,160 --> 01:15:31,680 people might disagree with those answer choices. And I think it's 1153 01:15:31,680 --> 01:15:34,890 very reasonable to disagree with those as the only two answer 1154 01:15:34,890 --> 01:15:37,920 choices. But in doing that, we actually saw that the public is 1155 01:15:37,920 --> 01:15:40,680 fairly split on that question, which I think is interesting. I 1156 01:15:40,680 --> 01:15:44,070 think a good survey question does split the public more 1157 01:15:44,070 --> 01:15:44,760 evenly? 1158 01:15:45,840 --> 01:15:48,660 Adam Curry: answered? I love this. It's like, do these guys 1159 01:15:48,660 --> 01:15:51,900 killed those guys baby worse than those guys kill those guys 1160 01:15:51,900 --> 01:15:54,450 babies worse? Give me your answer. 1161 01:15:55,380 --> 01:15:57,480 Dave Jones: Everything that they said before about the 1162 01:15:57,480 --> 01:16:00,840 carefulness of questions and the wording, the criticality, and 1163 01:16:00,840 --> 01:16:03,900 the pause and the 15 possible different answers you could do? 1164 01:16:04,380 --> 01:16:07,290 Forget all that. Forget all that. We're just gonna give them 1165 01:16:07,290 --> 01:16:10,470 two. We're gonna give you two things to choose from, but which 1166 01:16:10,560 --> 01:16:14,490 of which nobody probably agreed. And you know, and you know, why? 1167 01:16:14,730 --> 01:16:16,710 Why did they do that? Click for? 1168 01:16:16,890 --> 01:16:20,160 Todd Cochran: Did you consider having more than two choices? We 1169 01:16:20,160 --> 01:16:23,460 Unknown: did, we debated that pretty heavily. And there were 1170 01:16:23,460 --> 01:16:27,420 times where we got close to having that as options. In the 1171 01:16:27,420 --> 01:16:30,240 end, it makes it a lot more difficult to analyze the data, 1172 01:16:30,270 --> 01:16:32,910 the more options that you provide. Oh, 1173 01:16:33,900 --> 01:16:37,710 Dave Jones: that's because it's hard. That's why they didn't do 1174 01:16:37,710 --> 01:16:41,940 it. Because it's hard. And it makes it really difficult. Yeah. 1175 01:16:41,970 --> 01:16:46,980 So when you when you when you're talking about surveys, in 1176 01:16:46,980 --> 01:16:51,450 research and research from these from these agencies, you're 1177 01:16:51,450 --> 01:16:54,750 getting, you're getting nothing from them, you're getting 1178 01:16:54,780 --> 01:16:56,010 absolutely zero 1179 01:16:56,040 --> 01:16:58,620 Adam Curry: worse, worse, you're getting what they want the 1180 01:16:58,620 --> 01:17:01,200 answer to be? Yes. forced 1181 01:17:01,200 --> 01:17:04,710 Dave Jones: choice. Now we know the term forced choice. We did a 1182 01:17:04,710 --> 01:17:06,120 forced choice question. 1183 01:17:07,320 --> 01:17:09,810 Kyrin Down: Have you seen that recent meme of a it was a guy 1184 01:17:09,810 --> 01:17:13,980 wearing like an hour long earphone or air pod or something 1185 01:17:13,980 --> 01:17:17,790 like that? And he's been trying to some months? I think it's on 1186 01:17:17,790 --> 01:17:21,150 a college university campus or something like that. And a guy's 1187 01:17:21,150 --> 01:17:23,640 trying to force him to answer one of the questions and he's 1188 01:17:23,640 --> 01:17:27,870 just refusing like blatantly to, to answer it. And then it was 1189 01:17:28,290 --> 01:17:29,580 there was something related to 1190 01:17:29,610 --> 01:17:31,230 Adam Curry: that was Palestine. It was real. I 1191 01:17:31,230 --> 01:17:34,740 Kyrin Down: think it was. Yeah, yeah. And it's, that's exactly 1192 01:17:34,740 --> 01:17:35,640 that. No, 1193 01:17:35,640 --> 01:17:37,770 Adam Curry: I can't answer. I can't speak about Palestine. I 1194 01:17:37,770 --> 01:17:39,810 can't speak about Hamas. No, I can't talk about that. 1195 01:17:40,590 --> 01:17:45,270 Dave Jones: Yeah, like that. So your quit your, whenever it 1196 01:17:45,270 --> 01:17:49,020 comes to research, you're getting the forced choice of, 1197 01:17:49,260 --> 01:17:52,440 because she said, it's just like bedding, you know, the bed. They 1198 01:17:52,440 --> 01:17:56,970 always say that the bedding lines are created in order to 1199 01:17:56,970 --> 01:18:00,570 get even money on both sides of the bed. Yeah. Like, and so it's 1200 01:18:00,570 --> 01:18:03,990 just it's the same thing with this. She said, she said we did 1201 01:18:03,990 --> 01:18:08,880 a forced choice question so that we could get an even split. This 1202 01:18:08,880 --> 01:18:12,960 is all useless people come on, like and what Todd is cutting 1203 01:18:12,960 --> 01:18:17,700 through all of that Gordian knot, and saying, I don't care 1204 01:18:17,700 --> 01:18:24,840 what the research says, I know what reality is. And reality is 1205 01:18:24,870 --> 01:18:29,040 if a bunch of podcasters go off and try to do video, they're 1206 01:18:29,040 --> 01:18:31,830 going to fail, and they're going to be pissed. Yeah. 1207 01:18:33,960 --> 01:18:37,980 Kyrin Down: I can attest to some of the video stuff, which was 1208 01:18:39,030 --> 01:18:42,480 when the I think like, one of the reasons people are like, 1209 01:18:42,480 --> 01:18:46,830 what what are the reasons that podcasters are being suggested 1210 01:18:46,830 --> 01:18:53,040 to go to video? And it's, it's typically because you feel like 1211 01:18:53,040 --> 01:18:55,710 you're talking into the void, you're not getting any like 1212 01:18:55,710 --> 01:18:58,260 reaction, you don't you don't know what's happening, you see 1213 01:18:58,260 --> 01:19:01,680 download numbers, and then they reduced by 25%. And then you 1214 01:19:01,680 --> 01:19:04,560 realize, oh, wait, people weren't even, like they weren't 1215 01:19:04,560 --> 01:19:10,950 real anyway. And so video is, I think, being kind of touted as 1216 01:19:10,950 --> 01:19:16,470 that because you can see, you have to stop playing the game of 1217 01:19:16,470 --> 01:19:22,080 algorithms, of course, but and virality but you can look into 1218 01:19:22,080 --> 01:19:25,530 it, in essence, and this is where I was like, you know, I 1219 01:19:25,530 --> 01:19:30,510 did video of yours and I was half kind of like half half 1220 01:19:30,510 --> 01:19:35,130 doing audio half half video in terms of where my focus was. And 1221 01:19:35,670 --> 01:19:38,700 when you do it like that, you're not going to succeed because you 1222 01:19:38,700 --> 01:19:41,880 need to be a YouTuber. So you need to think about your 1223 01:19:41,880 --> 01:19:46,320 thumbnails more how you're going to title things. The first 30 1224 01:19:46,320 --> 01:19:49,830 seconds needs to be super snappy, so you get retention and 1225 01:19:50,160 --> 01:19:53,310 and all of these sorts of things. And so then that 1226 01:19:53,310 --> 01:19:56,160 ultimately gets through like well, if you if you go in there 1227 01:19:56,160 --> 01:20:01,320 to try and get that has Some sort of audience petition 1228 01:20:01,350 --> 01:20:05,100 participation, what's linked to that, you know, then then that's 1229 01:20:05,100 --> 01:20:08,520 probably related to the whole advertising and, and how you 1230 01:20:08,520 --> 01:20:12,120 make money from that as well. And that's just why I felt like 1231 01:20:12,120 --> 01:20:15,120 visa vie captured me, which was just it just cuts through all 1232 01:20:15,120 --> 01:20:20,580 that bullshit. And solves those super easy, but not super the 1233 01:20:20,610 --> 01:20:24,630 problems that I was having was like, What how do I know that 1234 01:20:24,660 --> 01:20:28,890 anyone's even listening? And, you know, getting a boost in and 1235 01:20:28,890 --> 01:20:31,890 a message just just cut through all of that. 1236 01:20:33,840 --> 01:20:35,850 Dave Jones: That's what was interesting because yeah, 1237 01:20:36,180 --> 01:20:39,270 Adam Curry: what other things have you learned? Because you 1238 01:20:39,270 --> 01:20:42,120 have mere mortals Of course. And the value for value is have you 1239 01:20:42,120 --> 01:20:44,310 done two seasons the value for value podcast? 1240 01:20:44,580 --> 01:20:45,150 Kyrin Down: Three now? It's 1241 01:20:46,860 --> 01:20:50,220 Adam Curry: fine. So what have you What have you learned? I 1242 01:20:50,220 --> 01:20:53,010 mean, you you have been in the midst of it you've talked to 1243 01:20:53,310 --> 01:20:56,670 value for value people non value for value people, you know, you 1244 01:20:56,670 --> 01:20:59,430 doing views on video? Do you have just pure audio? I mean, 1245 01:20:59,430 --> 01:21:01,740 tell me what what you really learned when what will you be 1246 01:21:01,740 --> 01:21:04,110 focusing on for 2024? 1247 01:21:05,520 --> 01:21:08,490 Kyrin Down: It's great. You asked that because the the 1248 01:21:08,490 --> 01:21:11,520 latest episode was was pretty much just covering all that. And 1249 01:21:11,520 --> 01:21:14,880 so I can give you the highlights. There's, I still 1250 01:21:15,480 --> 01:21:20,790 notice that with book reviews, for example, they tend to that 1251 01:21:20,790 --> 01:21:24,150 there's definitely an audience more on YouTube for that I think 1252 01:21:24,150 --> 01:21:28,410 then interested then slowly the audio so for that one, I'm kind 1253 01:21:28,410 --> 01:21:36,000 of optimizing for the video. And going. Still, it's still because 1254 01:21:36,000 --> 01:21:40,290 I don't like the virality chasing spending all my time on 1255 01:21:40,290 --> 01:21:43,860 thumbnail sort of thing. Like it's I don't know, I could still 1256 01:21:43,860 --> 01:21:48,030 be swayed from that. But I am doing a lot more live, which 1257 01:21:48,030 --> 01:21:50,070 makes things a lot easier. Why 1258 01:21:50,070 --> 01:21:53,910 Adam Curry: do you think that books book reviews work better? 1259 01:21:53,940 --> 01:21:56,190 Or in video? Or specifically YouTube? 1260 01:21:56,790 --> 01:21:59,910 Kyrin Down: I have no idea. Yeah, this is the this is just 1261 01:21:59,910 --> 01:22:04,500 like the weird things where it's just perhaps because maybe a bit 1262 01:22:04,500 --> 01:22:10,260 more timeless in terms of being people would would willing to 1263 01:22:10,260 --> 01:22:18,480 look up like a stoic book written from the early BCS? And 1264 01:22:18,840 --> 01:22:23,100 maybe it's a bit more. Yeah. Evergreen in that how 1265 01:22:23,100 --> 01:22:24,840 Adam Curry: are you measuring this? Are you measuring it by 1266 01:22:24,840 --> 01:22:27,120 views versus views, 1267 01:22:27,120 --> 01:22:29,850 Kyrin Down: but also just like even the booster grabs for 1268 01:22:29,850 --> 01:22:33,030 example, they don't really come into the the book reviews. And 1269 01:22:33,030 --> 01:22:38,550 I've kind of talked about that as much as I have on across my 1270 01:22:38,550 --> 01:22:44,730 other shows. So that's one thing leaning into the audience and 1271 01:22:44,730 --> 01:22:48,720 where they're actually already at. So if you heard on the pod 1272 01:22:48,720 --> 01:22:52,320 news, weekly review this last one, they got a couple more 1273 01:22:52,320 --> 01:22:54,660 booster grams in from from people that have never heard of 1274 01:22:54,660 --> 01:22:57,330 before, which was ironic considering the week before they 1275 01:22:57,330 --> 01:23:01,740 were saying how they it's all just the same, the same people 1276 01:23:01,740 --> 01:23:08,250 showing up and one of those guys was was I boosted him just 1277 01:23:08,250 --> 01:23:13,830 before it was the late bloomer actor. And he was saying, you 1278 01:23:13,830 --> 01:23:17,880 know, I'm doing this I'm doing VP on my show, but no one's 1279 01:23:18,090 --> 01:23:22,380 boosting in or, or commenting or anything like that. And so I 1280 01:23:22,380 --> 01:23:26,220 went over to it, and I just said, like, Hey, by the way, you 1281 01:23:26,220 --> 01:23:28,920 probably need to go where the people already know about this 1282 01:23:28,920 --> 01:23:34,140 stuff is so yes, it helps if you have a Bitcoin show because and 1283 01:23:34,140 --> 01:23:37,380 you see that in the fountain charts, for example. Because 1284 01:23:37,380 --> 01:23:41,730 they kind of already know it and that that experience is big 1285 01:23:41,760 --> 01:23:45,270 bitcoins hard to get it takes a long time to kind of be 1286 01:23:45,270 --> 01:23:48,930 convinced by it or use it but as these things get easier, I 1287 01:23:48,930 --> 01:23:56,040 definitely see leaning more into using true fans using fountain 1288 01:23:56,070 --> 01:24:01,080 using the clipping on pod verse of the interactive features that 1289 01:24:01,080 --> 01:24:04,800 all these things have. Going going to where people are 1290 01:24:04,800 --> 01:24:06,630 already starting to use stuff you know, it's it's pretty, 1291 01:24:07,050 --> 01:24:11,490 pretty obvious but it also bears repeating. So going on to the 1292 01:24:11,520 --> 01:24:16,110 podcast index website, and and to the mastodon as well and 1293 01:24:16,110 --> 01:24:20,790 interacting there. So those are the kind of big ones and yeah, 1294 01:24:20,790 --> 01:24:26,070 just with video, it's very much it's, I just want to reiterate 1295 01:24:26,070 --> 01:24:30,690 just how completely different it is from podcasting. And it's, 1296 01:24:31,290 --> 01:24:35,820 it's worth not trying to even with just just putting a pretty 1297 01:24:35,820 --> 01:24:39,180 big distinction between the two. If you think you can just start 1298 01:24:39,180 --> 01:24:43,890 a video podcast and your your workflow, the end product is 1299 01:24:43,890 --> 01:24:47,520 going to be similar to the audio it's it's not it's going to be 1300 01:24:47,640 --> 01:24:50,070 it's going to be completely different. And so you just have 1301 01:24:50,070 --> 01:24:53,400 to take the consequences of that. So if you want to be a 1302 01:24:53,400 --> 01:24:56,430 YouTuber, you know, go for it. Go ahead, but that's that's 1303 01:24:56,430 --> 01:24:59,460 pretty hard game some and takes a lot of time. 1304 01:25:01,530 --> 01:25:05,370 Dave Jones: Yeah, that that's the, the video thing. But I 1305 01:25:05,370 --> 01:25:10,320 think that it took me a little bit to sort of get used to, to 1306 01:25:10,320 --> 01:25:14,100 get used to it now. Now I don't like, I have a workflow and it 1307 01:25:14,100 --> 01:25:16,650 just doesn't, it doesn't really bother me anymore because I 1308 01:25:16,650 --> 01:25:21,090 know, I know that I don't have to think about it 99% of the 1309 01:25:21,090 --> 01:25:25,200 time, until the only time I ever even think about the fact that 1310 01:25:25,200 --> 01:25:31,050 I'm doing video on this stream for for no agenda tube is when 1311 01:25:31,380 --> 01:25:34,050 it when it gets towards the end, I have to do the donations and I 1312 01:25:34,050 --> 01:25:38,220 used to have to go and make sure I had my screens email up and 1313 01:25:38,220 --> 01:25:38,550 that kind of 1314 01:25:38,550 --> 01:25:40,950 Adam Curry: thing. You don't want to show all the spreadsheet 1315 01:25:40,950 --> 01:25:42,510 in the email. Yeah, 1316 01:25:42,540 --> 01:25:44,790 Dave Jones: yeah, there's the email, you know, like everybody 1317 01:25:44,790 --> 01:25:48,360 has a nice to see my email and stuff. So but but like, now with 1318 01:25:48,360 --> 01:25:50,460 the stream deck, it's even easier because there's a button 1319 01:25:50,460 --> 01:25:54,330 and my admin screen. So it's like, I don't even really, I 1320 01:25:54,330 --> 01:25:57,450 don't even think about that the fact that there's video until 1321 01:25:57,630 --> 01:26:01,320 like an hour and a half into the show. So it's fine but that but 1322 01:26:01,320 --> 01:26:04,770 that learning, but at the beginning that's just all you're 1323 01:26:04,770 --> 01:26:06,210 thinking about your split brain. 1324 01:26:06,990 --> 01:26:08,790 Kyrin Down: Yeah, but you're like you're not trying to grow 1325 01:26:08,790 --> 01:26:11,880 your video are you? Yeah, like yeah, you're not No, no, no, 1326 01:26:11,880 --> 01:26:12,780 it's you get and 1327 01:26:13,230 --> 01:26:15,360 Dave Jones: in some weeks I don't even do it. I mean, I'm 1328 01:26:15,360 --> 01:26:16,320 tired or something. Yeah. 1329 01:26:16,710 --> 01:26:19,440 Kyrin Down: And then also your monetization even though I hate 1330 01:26:19,440 --> 01:26:23,670 that word is not linked to how many views you get on YouTube 1331 01:26:23,670 --> 01:26:27,150 whereas then that's what a lot of people are like, Oh, have I 1332 01:26:27,150 --> 01:26:32,070 got my 4000 hours for the year have I got my 1000 subscribers? 1333 01:26:33,630 --> 01:26:37,350 Car video, the ad payouts better you know, all that sort of 1334 01:26:37,350 --> 01:26:37,560 thing. 1335 01:26:37,800 --> 01:26:41,550 Adam Curry: You're my my brother in law in Italy. My sister has 1336 01:26:41,550 --> 01:26:47,880 lived there now for 28 years, I think. And he is a quite well 1337 01:26:47,880 --> 01:26:51,810 known comedian. He's He's my age, like couple years younger 1338 01:26:52,200 --> 01:26:58,470 and he was very famous for in Italy you work for either check 1339 01:26:58,470 --> 01:27:02,280 a gory or used to be Berlusconi, of course, it's still the 1340 01:27:02,280 --> 01:27:04,440 Berlusconi organization even though he's dead in check, a 1341 01:27:04,440 --> 01:27:06,510 glorious kind of they're both they're both gangsters. You 1342 01:27:06,510 --> 01:27:09,990 worked for this gangs, he worked for that gangster. And so he 1343 01:27:09,990 --> 01:27:14,070 worked for the Czech gory gangster and he did a movie, 1344 01:27:14,250 --> 01:27:18,210 Pinocchio, but it was kind of like a, an r slash almost X 1345 01:27:18,210 --> 01:27:21,600 rated version, you can imagine when the nose grows, and it was, 1346 01:27:21,870 --> 01:27:26,070 it was kind of like, a cult hit. Like every young guy in Italy, 1347 01:27:26,070 --> 01:27:29,490 like, oh, yeah, I remember that one, you know, kind of like 1348 01:27:29,490 --> 01:27:29,940 faces 1349 01:27:29,940 --> 01:27:31,950 Dave Jones: of death, the most Italian thing ever. 1350 01:27:33,300 --> 01:27:35,760 Adam Curry: But he's done. You know, he's on many, many small 1351 01:27:35,760 --> 01:27:39,720 features and things and he hit all of a sudden, he hit really 1352 01:27:39,720 --> 01:27:43,740 big on YouTube. And he would just do like, like a joke a day 1353 01:27:43,740 --> 01:27:48,210 or something. And it just and you know, he got the whole, you 1354 01:27:48,210 --> 01:27:51,270 know, the plaque, the little the YouTube award thing and 1355 01:27:51,270 --> 01:27:56,310 everything. And, and now, you know, he of course, he got busy. 1356 01:27:56,310 --> 01:27:59,340 So he had no gigs and he's going to gigs and then his numbers 1357 01:27:59,340 --> 01:28:01,860 really dropped off really quickly. And Willow, my my 1358 01:28:01,860 --> 01:28:07,740 sister, who just got her her degree. She's a professor of 1359 01:28:08,100 --> 01:28:12,630 psychology, specifically online media. So she did a whole 1360 01:28:12,630 --> 01:28:16,110 dissertation on social media video and on Tik Tok and 1361 01:28:16,110 --> 01:28:18,780 YouTube, she taught me a lot about this stuff. And of course, 1362 01:28:18,780 --> 01:28:23,370 she had Italian numbers. And she had good in with the Italian 1363 01:28:23,370 --> 01:28:25,920 YouTube, which is very specific, you know, so it's kind of a 1364 01:28:25,950 --> 01:28:29,160 segregated market. So you can, you can strip out a lot of stuff 1365 01:28:29,160 --> 01:28:33,030 that isn't important because it's not an Italian. And what 1366 01:28:33,030 --> 01:28:36,600 she learned was a you have to feed the algo. But she also 1367 01:28:36,600 --> 01:28:40,410 learned that if he the title of his video, if it was something 1368 01:28:40,410 --> 01:28:45,450 like his joke was the broken umbrella. And he would title it 1369 01:28:45,450 --> 01:28:48,330 the broken umbrella, the views would go through the roof, and 1370 01:28:48,330 --> 01:28:51,510 she went to an analyze, and it's because people are on Google 1371 01:28:51,510 --> 01:28:56,670 looking for a broken umbrella. How to fix a broken umbrella. 1372 01:28:57,570 --> 01:29:00,840 And then they wind up at his video and that was the nut 1373 01:29:00,840 --> 01:29:05,640 that's the number one driver is is Google Search dries views to 1374 01:29:05,640 --> 01:29:07,830 video of course people then click on it. Oh, that's a funny 1375 01:29:07,830 --> 01:29:10,890 joke. But that's, that's really ovo 1376 01:29:10,890 --> 01:29:19,050 Dave Jones: place. Yes. It's a Google SEO juice. This is also 1377 01:29:19,050 --> 01:29:19,560 gross. 1378 01:29:20,970 --> 01:29:24,930 Adam Curry: Not as gross as this baby. Come on. Let's talk about 1379 01:29:24,930 --> 01:29:31,800 it for a moment. You want to see my Pinocchio video? Just tried 1380 01:29:31,800 --> 01:29:32,100 to wait. 1381 01:29:33,540 --> 01:29:36,450 Dave Jones: Wait. That's just that's just like so good. We 1382 01:29:36,600 --> 01:29:38,790 don't we don't want podcasting to be that. No, 1383 01:29:38,790 --> 01:29:41,250 Adam Curry: of course not. Of course they won't be it won't 1384 01:29:41,250 --> 01:29:41,580 be. 1385 01:29:42,180 --> 01:29:42,900 Dave Jones: We're smart. 1386 01:29:42,930 --> 01:29:44,700 Adam Curry: We're smart. We're intelligence over here. We're 1387 01:29:44,700 --> 01:29:45,390 intelligent, 1388 01:29:45,930 --> 01:29:53,340 Dave Jones: man. So I've been I'm going to have to post this 1389 01:29:53,340 --> 01:29:59,700 code publicly. Because I'm beating my head against the 1390 01:29:59,700 --> 01:30:02,700 wall. TRY TO GET HTTP soon signatures working in 1391 01:30:02,700 --> 01:30:03,450 activitypub 1392 01:30:05,100 --> 01:30:08,550 Adam Curry: is for the edifying of the index? Yes, 1393 01:30:09,450 --> 01:30:13,710 Dave Jones: I admit it, I am, I am almost close to defeat on 1394 01:30:13,710 --> 01:30:19,050 this. I cannot figure it out. I'm at the point where I've been 1395 01:30:19,050 --> 01:30:23,610 looking at it for too long. And I can't see my own mistakes at 1396 01:30:23,610 --> 01:30:29,040 this point of that I've got I'm comparing. I'm comparing my rust 1397 01:30:29,040 --> 01:30:36,450 code to John Spurlock's mini pub code. And I cannot see what I'm 1398 01:30:36,450 --> 01:30:39,960 doing different. And like his his in JavaScript mods and Russ, 1399 01:30:39,960 --> 01:30:43,230 I'm having to do some translation there. But it's a, 1400 01:30:43,890 --> 01:30:49,740 it's a fairly straightforward thing. You hash the body of the 1401 01:30:49,740 --> 01:30:56,700 request. And when so this, so here's where I'm at. The 1402 01:30:56,700 --> 01:31:02,700 database is the database is mostly there, it's functional. I 1403 01:31:02,700 --> 01:31:07,860 can accept follow requests. That's been fine for a long 1404 01:31:07,860 --> 01:31:13,380 time. But then when I tried to accept the follow request, that 1405 01:31:13,380 --> 01:31:17,100 involves sending an accept message back to the originating 1406 01:31:17,100 --> 01:31:21,270 server, in order to make that function, there has to be an 1407 01:31:21,270 --> 01:31:24,780 HTTP signature, which there has to be for a lot of interactions. 1408 01:31:24,780 --> 01:31:28,230 But this is the first interaction that's needing it. 1409 01:31:28,230 --> 01:31:31,530 So I'm doing that part. Now. When I send back the 1410 01:31:31,530 --> 01:31:35,550 acknowledgement to show that, yes, the follow is okay, you're 1411 01:31:35,550 --> 01:31:43,770 now following properly, the HTTP request has to be signed, which 1412 01:31:43,770 --> 01:31:47,610 means it just needs a signature header. The signature header can 1413 01:31:47,850 --> 01:31:58,380 consist of hashing the body of the request, with SHA 256, base 1414 01:31:58,380 --> 01:32:08,010 64, encoding it, then including it in the digest header, then 1415 01:32:08,010 --> 01:32:13,080 taking the digest header, and including that with some other 1416 01:32:13,080 --> 01:32:19,110 headers, and hashing all of that with SHA 256 And then signing it 1417 01:32:20,280 --> 01:32:24,990 with the private key. That's, and then inserting that as 1418 01:32:24,990 --> 01:32:29,940 what's as the signature header. I don't know what I'm doing 1419 01:32:29,940 --> 01:32:30,660 wrong, because I 1420 01:32:30,660 --> 01:32:33,090 Adam Curry: can't Oh, I know, I know what you're doing wrong. 1421 01:32:33,120 --> 01:32:38,520 All of it, what all of it. Okay, you should make love to your 1422 01:32:38,520 --> 01:32:39,660 wife do something else. 1423 01:32:40,500 --> 01:32:42,570 Unknown: Stop this is Christmas. 1424 01:32:44,280 --> 01:32:47,820 Dave Jones: What am I doing? I've got I'm just gonna have to 1425 01:32:47,820 --> 01:32:52,380 post publicly and have somebody look and say, Hey, idiot, 1426 01:32:52,380 --> 01:32:55,440 you're, you're missing a newline character here or something like 1427 01:32:55,440 --> 01:32:57,060 that. Like, I think bracket, 1428 01:32:57,180 --> 01:32:59,820 Adam Curry: bracket, there's got to be a bracket. It's something 1429 01:32:59,820 --> 01:33:03,270 Dave Jones: like it's something simple because like, it's just 1430 01:33:03,270 --> 01:33:07,080 not, I can't figure it out. So I'm going to do that. This 1431 01:33:07,080 --> 01:33:11,790 weekend, I'm going to post it. And then I'm appealing for help. 1432 01:33:11,790 --> 01:33:14,940 Because if I can get this, this has been owning me for a week 1433 01:33:14,940 --> 01:33:19,920 now to every bit every bit of every bit of coding time that I 1434 01:33:19,920 --> 01:33:26,820 get. I'm going back to this. So I built a whole a built a new 1435 01:33:26,820 --> 01:33:33,480 project with just that with with just the signing code in it. And 1436 01:33:33,480 --> 01:33:36,660 then I've compiled you know, so I can compile it and rapid, 1437 01:33:36,900 --> 01:33:40,500 rapidly just iterate on just that where I'm taking Okay, 1438 01:33:40,770 --> 01:33:44,820 here's a J here's a JSON body. And here's my private key. I 1439 01:33:44,820 --> 01:33:48,480 just want to do this. And it just gives me the weird 1440 01:33:48,480 --> 01:33:50,820 Adam Curry: result. Have you tried Chad GPT 1441 01:33:52,230 --> 01:33:56,010 Dave Jones: have not tried yet to be chatty. Why not kick on 1442 01:33:58,050 --> 01:34:00,660 Adam Curry: the free chat. Okay, 1443 01:34:01,170 --> 01:34:03,600 Dave Jones: I'm not giving them a phone number. I need a local 1444 01:34:03,600 --> 01:34:05,010 LLM Well, 1445 01:34:05,040 --> 01:34:08,070 Adam Curry: I got one I got an LLM. Can you ask that question 1446 01:34:08,070 --> 01:34:11,760 for me? If you if you send me the question, I can sure 1447 01:34:11,790 --> 01:34:13,740 Dave Jones: just take the transcript of this show. 1448 01:34:16,140 --> 01:34:19,680 Adam Curry: Okay, somebody says all right, minds rather slow but 1449 01:34:19,680 --> 01:34:20,430 yes, I will. 1450 01:34:22,710 --> 01:34:30,990 Dave Jones: So that if I can get past this then like, then 1451 01:34:30,990 --> 01:34:34,950 everything will fall into place because the the activity pub 1452 01:34:34,950 --> 01:34:42,660 bridge is going to is is going to be important. I had a long 1453 01:34:42,660 --> 01:34:46,830 conversation with my buddy Tim the other day about about this a 1454 01:34:46,830 --> 01:34:49,050 bit. We're talking about nostre and activity pub and all kinds 1455 01:34:49,050 --> 01:34:55,470 of things. And I just think that activity Pub is WordPress is is 1456 01:34:55,770 --> 01:35:00,120 got the new activity pub plugin. I feel like activity Pub is I'm 1457 01:35:01,110 --> 01:35:04,830 about to blow up. As far as adoption goes, it 1458 01:35:04,830 --> 01:35:06,090 Adam Curry: sure seems that way. 1459 01:35:07,140 --> 01:35:11,670 Dave Jones: It's coiling is about to coil load. Yeah. Yeah. 1460 01:35:11,670 --> 01:35:14,280 So I really think this is important for people to be able 1461 01:35:14,280 --> 01:35:17,670 to natively interact with podcasts, you know, stuff over 1462 01:35:17,700 --> 01:35:20,940 activity pub, so I'll post it, and then everybody can tell me 1463 01:35:20,940 --> 01:35:21,990 where I'm doing it. 1464 01:35:22,500 --> 01:35:25,200 Adam Curry: Shall we thank a few people. Oh, yeah, sure. 1465 01:35:25,230 --> 01:35:25,920 Dave Jones: Let's thanks for people. 1466 01:35:26,760 --> 01:35:28,770 Adam Curry: And we've got we've been getting some live booths 1467 01:35:28,800 --> 01:35:33,720 during this boardroom after dark. Now can code has showed up 1468 01:35:33,720 --> 01:35:37,230 and I you know, I have my helipad open all day long. And 1469 01:35:37,230 --> 01:35:41,670 he's a hayver. So he's got a lot of a lot of boosts and I'm not 1470 01:35:41,670 --> 01:35:45,360 quite sure exactly. Hive tube. What exactly is hive tube? 1471 01:35:45,990 --> 01:35:49,260 Dave Jones: Yeah, that's hive tube is the fork of a peer to 1472 01:35:49,260 --> 01:35:52,590 two with with all of Alex's stuff in it. 1473 01:35:52,830 --> 01:35:57,690 Adam Curry: And does it do is it does it work on hive, or does it 1474 01:35:57,690 --> 01:36:01,230 work on? Enlightened not? 1475 01:36:01,230 --> 01:36:02,790 Dave Jones: I don't think it's high specific. I 1476 01:36:02,790 --> 01:36:04,380 Adam Curry: think it's just called hive tube. 1477 01:36:04,980 --> 01:36:08,010 Dave Jones: thinks of it. Well, okay, I may be wrong. Well, he 1478 01:36:08,010 --> 01:36:11,400 Adam Curry: has a lot to say. 1000 SATs from ENCODE cast dot 1479 01:36:11,400 --> 01:36:16,050 garden. A podcast host powered by hype tube pushes the p2p live 1480 01:36:16,050 --> 01:36:21,780 streaming cross app comments and syndication hardcore. Now the 1481 01:36:21,780 --> 01:36:25,050 1000s that to look forward to way less ads or more boosts and 1482 01:36:25,050 --> 01:36:28,620 hive rewards. Okay, so that's definitely hot. There's 1483 01:36:28,620 --> 01:36:32,430 definitely likes and tips. Oh, that's how I get to and 1484 01:36:32,430 --> 01:36:36,750 podcasters then we have three five to one from Renee caneta. 1485 01:36:36,900 --> 01:36:40,710 Hello, Renee says woke up to walk our new puppy at 330 in the 1486 01:36:40,710 --> 01:36:43,230 morning he's in Holland, sleeping on the couch to keep 1487 01:36:43,230 --> 01:36:44,970 her company great to hear you guys live. 1488 01:36:46,050 --> 01:36:47,880 Dave Jones: Get a hate Listen, it's easier. 1489 01:36:48,360 --> 01:36:52,020 Adam Curry: It's better. It's better than that. 12345 from 1490 01:36:52,020 --> 01:36:57,060 hard hat Merry Christmas. Thank you hard fat. Sup Yo sup? Short 1491 01:36:57,060 --> 01:37:04,080 Row ducks. He gave to karma pluses to blueberry with 2222 1492 01:37:04,170 --> 01:37:11,130 Salty Crayon 1976. Love the hotspot. Love the hot namespace 1493 01:37:11,130 --> 01:37:14,190 talk in these hours get offended. I'm saying Merry 1494 01:37:14,190 --> 01:37:19,770 Christmas. I love what Adobe does. I love Adobe does has 1495 01:37:19,770 --> 01:37:22,890 accomplished in the V for V Live Concert I'm loyal to building 1496 01:37:22,890 --> 01:37:26,610 with those IT structure I love what we are building I'm all in 1497 01:37:26,610 --> 01:37:29,310 five by five Ford support your local independent party 1498 01:37:29,340 --> 01:37:36,540 independent artists go podcasts. And various Dred Scott like he 1499 01:37:36,540 --> 01:37:39,390 hasn't supported the entire industry enough. He comes in 1500 01:37:39,390 --> 01:37:45,720 with 60,000 SATs super boost, he says we get 11,111 from 1501 01:37:45,720 --> 01:37:48,360 blueberry. There's so much that's been running through my 1502 01:37:48,360 --> 01:37:51,240 mind over the last week. It's an experience that will close hold 1503 01:37:51,240 --> 01:37:55,770 closely for a long, long time. And to finish what I started on 1504 01:37:55,770 --> 01:37:58,770 the next before the schemes, I will be reading off every single 1505 01:37:58,770 --> 01:38:02,250 boost that came through. In the words of Alex Jones. I have to 1506 01:38:02,250 --> 01:38:03,150 do it all. 1507 01:38:05,220 --> 01:38:06,690 Dave Jones: Is that did Alex say that I 1508 01:38:06,690 --> 01:38:11,550 Adam Curry: guess? More like I have to do it. Eric peepee 1509 01:38:11,550 --> 01:38:17,310 33,333 No, nope. Thank you. We have Chad F with 1000 SATs pod 1510 01:38:17,310 --> 01:38:20,790 verse has IRC chat. But on mobile if you switch apps for 1511 01:38:20,790 --> 01:38:24,570 too long you get kicked out of the chat room ah yes this is 1512 01:38:24,600 --> 01:38:27,150 another thing that we've seen the iOS seems to be really 1513 01:38:27,150 --> 01:38:30,000 crappy with stuff going in the background that's for sure. 1514 01:38:30,600 --> 01:38:32,670 Dave Jones: really crappy dot dot dot now. 1515 01:38:33,930 --> 01:38:38,220 Adam Curry: Let's see herbivore band. 300 SATs Thank you 1516 01:38:38,250 --> 01:38:45,600 anonymous podcast guru user 2222 says go chyron as 6000 SATs when 1517 01:38:45,600 --> 01:38:50,640 kind of courses in our our value block today. 6000 SATs from Dred 1518 01:38:50,640 --> 01:38:53,520 Scott cleaning Why Boost cannons after the last two days of V For 1519 01:38:53,520 --> 01:38:57,870 me music boosting Oh, he just cleans his cannon and it's 6000 1520 01:38:57,870 --> 01:39:01,110 SATs that's how it goes. Sometimes it just squirts out. 1521 01:39:01,560 --> 01:39:05,220 Tone record 5150 scraping together some support SATs after 1522 01:39:05,220 --> 01:39:08,670 last night's Minneapolis music streams was a great night props 1523 01:39:08,670 --> 01:39:12,300 to the builders who made it possible. The I had to reload my 1524 01:39:12,840 --> 01:39:15,090 my wallet a couple times to was fun. 1525 01:39:16,560 --> 01:39:19,560 Dave Jones: I loaded I loaded it up with about 50 bucks on 1526 01:39:19,590 --> 01:39:25,350 Adam Curry: Yeah, it was fun to load load load. Let's see Dobby 1527 01:39:25,350 --> 01:39:29,250 lost 20,000 SATs. I won't be able to listen live will be busy 1528 01:39:29,250 --> 01:39:32,550 sleeping I bet. But Merry Christmas Adam Dave and Karen 1529 01:39:32,550 --> 01:39:35,400 Thank you brother for your Christmas. And I think yeah, 1530 01:39:35,430 --> 01:39:38,190 that's that's where we are with the live boosts. 1531 01:39:38,850 --> 01:39:42,390 Dave Jones: Okay, well, Marco Arma gave us $500 through PayPal 1532 01:39:44,820 --> 01:39:47,490 20 is Blaze on him. Paula, 1533 01:39:47,520 --> 01:39:49,890 Adam Curry: thank you Marco. We so appreciate that you support 1534 01:39:49,890 --> 01:39:50,400 us brother. 1535 01:39:51,180 --> 01:39:53,760 Dave Jones: Thank you, Monica. That's appreciate that and Merry 1536 01:39:53,760 --> 01:39:56,640 Christmas to you and yours. Thank you for all support every 1537 01:39:56,640 --> 01:40:03,000 month forever. Appreciate that. We've got Some boosts we've got. 1538 01:40:03,570 --> 01:40:07,320 Oh, Chris from Jupiter broadcasting Chris last. Do 1539 01:40:07,320 --> 01:40:12,360 fountain 68,848 booths nice 1540 01:40:12,360 --> 01:40:12,840 Adam Curry: thank you. 1541 01:40:12,870 --> 01:40:16,650 Dave Jones: He says Dave checkout bit focus, bit focus to 1542 01:40:16,650 --> 01:40:20,190 go with that stream deck on Linux. We use it to control OBS 1543 01:40:20,190 --> 01:40:24,000 soundboard, our da W and run scripts via SSH connections. 1544 01:40:24,120 --> 01:40:27,060 That focus is worth the 15 minutes to try with the stream 1545 01:40:27,060 --> 01:40:31,290 deck on Linux. Happy Holidays, guys. You sent me a screenshot 1546 01:40:31,290 --> 01:40:32,730 of this. Yes, 1547 01:40:32,760 --> 01:40:35,250 Adam Curry: if right after some helipad? Yeah, exactly. Because 1548 01:40:35,250 --> 01:40:37,980 I'm like, Oh, this is what instead of Dave going off to 1549 01:40:37,980 --> 01:40:40,860 build a Windows box and like this one nightstand, 1550 01:40:41,190 --> 01:40:45,330 Dave Jones: which I did build a Windows box. And then I and then 1551 01:40:45,330 --> 01:40:48,360 you sent me a screenshot of this that night after I had already 1552 01:40:48,360 --> 01:40:52,560 built it. So I said, Oh, screw it. I'll try this. As what I'm 1553 01:40:52,560 --> 01:40:55,260 using right now. I'm using bit focus on you. Right, it's 1554 01:40:55,260 --> 01:40:59,190 awesome. Cool. Cool. What? Do what, 1555 01:40:59,820 --> 01:41:07,140 Kyrin Down: what booths number was that? 6868 848 848 Because 1556 01:41:07,140 --> 01:41:09,180 they do um, zip code boosts over 1557 01:41:10,920 --> 01:41:13,710 Adam Curry: there. They do cool stuff like that. I like the zip 1558 01:41:13,710 --> 01:41:14,970 code boost. That is cool. 1559 01:41:15,270 --> 01:41:19,020 Dave Jones: See what zip code 68/8 Lincoln, 1560 01:41:19,680 --> 01:41:24,690 Kyrin Down: Nebraska. Nebraska. 1561 01:41:25,140 --> 01:41:29,790 Dave Jones: He's in Washington. Maybe coincidence? 1562 01:41:31,470 --> 01:41:33,330 Adam Curry: The stream deck should I get one just to have it 1563 01:41:33,330 --> 01:41:36,150 in my house? I mean, is the dog is a cool? Is it something I 1564 01:41:36,150 --> 01:41:39,600 just need in my life? The stream deck? Yeah. From not streaming. 1565 01:41:40,140 --> 01:41:46,200 Dave Jones: What I mean? It's it does so much like it's killer 1566 01:41:46,200 --> 01:41:51,420 because it doesn't just do it's basically an outboard macro. 1567 01:41:52,200 --> 01:41:57,570 Macro runner. Yeah. So you can you can make it do it. You can 1568 01:41:57,570 --> 01:42:02,430 make it do automation stuff. So you can have it turn on wall 1569 01:42:02,430 --> 01:42:08,430 outlets. You can have it send SSH commands to servers. Oh, 1570 01:42:08,430 --> 01:42:14,490 nice. Oh, it dude, it's badass. It is so cool. It's fairly yeah, 1571 01:42:14,490 --> 01:42:17,460 I've barely scratched the surface with it. But it as long 1572 01:42:17,460 --> 01:42:23,100 as you have the right so so the software runs as a daemon on the 1573 01:42:23,100 --> 01:42:27,960 computer and then you in the new habit connect to like a web 1574 01:42:27,960 --> 01:42:31,410 socket, or something like that. So OBS as a web socket, and then 1575 01:42:31,410 --> 01:42:34,860 the day the daemon connects to OBS through that and then 1576 01:42:34,890 --> 01:42:40,170 monitors the connection. So then you can have it connect to other 1577 01:42:40,200 --> 01:42:43,350 daemons that do other things so you can have at launch software 1578 01:42:43,350 --> 01:42:47,550 on your computer trigger sounds it could be a MIDI control it 1579 01:42:47,550 --> 01:42:52,230 he's like do everything Wow. Yeah, it's it was it was yeah, 1580 01:42:52,230 --> 01:42:57,870 it's badass. Thanks, Chris. Appreciate that. We get Sir 1581 01:42:57,870 --> 01:43:03,690 Brian of London 21 940 Super Israeli is 21 948 through cast 1582 01:43:03,690 --> 01:43:06,720 ematic he says I think I'm lucky here in Israel. I get rockets 1583 01:43:06,720 --> 01:43:13,380 from Hamas. Sure, but I have a bomb shelter. No ads. Meantime, 1584 01:43:13,380 --> 01:43:15,030 I get no ads and news Ah 1585 01:43:17,190 --> 01:43:20,070 Adam Curry: well, there's that there's no ads in newsagent. But 1586 01:43:20,070 --> 01:43:22,770 yeah, there's rockets you know, it's mine. Yeah, that's 1587 01:43:22,770 --> 01:43:23,340 Dave Jones: a trade off 1588 01:43:23,400 --> 01:43:25,530 Adam Curry: I love how there's no reporting on the rockets 1589 01:43:25,530 --> 01:43:27,600 because the rockets just keep coming. I 1590 01:43:27,600 --> 01:43:32,550 Dave Jones: mean, like every few hours Yeah, I think I hear where 1591 01:43:32,550 --> 01:43:36,360 they're supposed to run but straight back to the show. VPN 1592 01:43:36,360 --> 01:43:39,030 to Israel for that ad free experience. Merry Christmas. 1593 01:43:39,090 --> 01:43:41,580 Adam Curry: Merry Christmas. Happy Hanukkah was over now. 1594 01:43:42,660 --> 01:43:48,750 Dave Jones: Or as we say in the south Chaka Chaka y'all. Up in 1595 01:43:48,750 --> 01:43:52,410 1984 4000. SAS through family says I apologize for 1596 01:43:52,410 --> 01:43:54,600 apologizing. lol Merry Christmas. 1597 01:43:54,630 --> 01:43:57,270 Adam Curry: Merry Christmas. It's okay. Apology accepted. 1598 01:43:57,540 --> 01:43:58,620 Yes. Both of 1599 01:43:58,620 --> 01:44:02,880 Dave Jones: them. Mark Lundgren, essentially Richard 1111 through 1600 01:44:03,090 --> 01:44:07,020 1000. He says boot. Didn't have a boot. Oh, I did have a boot 1601 01:44:07,020 --> 01:44:07,500 last week. 1602 01:44:08,040 --> 01:44:12,870 Adam Curry: I went silent. Where's my booze? Is it? Oh, 1603 01:44:14,820 --> 01:44:15,420 somewhere. 1604 01:44:16,350 --> 01:44:19,200 Dave Jones: There's I got a slew of ISOs. I 1605 01:44:19,200 --> 01:44:21,750 Adam Curry: know I already have. I want to know. Thank you. I 1606 01:44:21,750 --> 01:44:24,270 have one queued up. I haven't even heard it, but I think it's 1607 01:44:24,270 --> 01:44:24,600 good. 1608 01:44:25,260 --> 01:44:28,050 Dave Jones: Okay, Mary Oscar, also known as Oscar marrieds. 1609 01:44:28,080 --> 01:44:31,860 10,000 SATs do fountain Thank you, Mary Oscar. He says 1610 01:44:31,860 --> 01:44:34,560 resolving the case. And address is really not that big of a 1611 01:44:34,560 --> 01:44:38,430 lift. In my opinion. Apps can cache the results just like they 1612 01:44:38,430 --> 01:44:40,770 already cache lots of other information about the podcast 1613 01:44:40,770 --> 01:44:44,460 episode feed. But another note fountain point 1.0 live next 1614 01:44:44,460 --> 01:44:46,020 week. Yeah, it's 1615 01:44:46,020 --> 01:44:48,660 Adam Curry: killer. All the new versions of the apps are killer. 1616 01:44:48,690 --> 01:44:51,750 They're just all great. Like you said earlier like we've we've 1617 01:44:51,750 --> 01:44:57,420 grown up our children have grown up. Oh, yes, yes. Blonde 1618 01:44:57,420 --> 01:45:00,210 Dave Jones: Jr. They they've all crossed the threshold. into 1619 01:45:00,210 --> 01:45:03,810 being very stable, reliable, fast apps fast. 1620 01:45:03,810 --> 01:45:08,460 Adam Curry: Yeah, fast and just easy to navigate. Things are 1621 01:45:08,460 --> 01:45:10,560 working. It's beautiful. It's beautiful. 1622 01:45:11,160 --> 01:45:14,010 Kyrin Down: I wish I'd taken more screenshots of the of the 1623 01:45:14,010 --> 01:45:17,070 apps just to be able to look back and you know, two years ago 1624 01:45:17,070 --> 01:45:20,130 what it looked like, just like when sometimes on Macedon, I'll 1625 01:45:20,130 --> 01:45:25,260 go back and see, you know, Adam, you talked about having 58,000 1626 01:45:25,260 --> 01:45:28,680 SATs throwing flowing through the podcast index per day. 1627 01:45:32,070 --> 01:45:35,160 Adam Curry: Oh, that's great. Yeah. 50,000 a day ladies and 1628 01:45:35,160 --> 01:45:37,080 gentlemen, can you believe how long ago was that three years 1629 01:45:37,080 --> 01:45:38,190 ago? to 1630 01:45:39,150 --> 01:45:39,630 Kyrin Down: two years? 1631 01:45:39,930 --> 01:45:41,280 Adam Curry: That's fantastic. 1632 01:45:41,730 --> 01:45:43,950 Dave Jones: Let's see we've got over the last seven days I'm 1633 01:45:43,950 --> 01:45:45,660 looking at my dentist 1634 01:45:45,660 --> 01:45:48,390 Adam Curry: sent me before and after my teeth that was scary. 1635 01:45:49,080 --> 01:45:50,130 Hey, oh yeah, 1636 01:45:50,190 --> 01:45:51,630 Dave Jones: you probably want to just burn now. I 1637 01:45:51,630 --> 01:45:55,740 Adam Curry: totally I'm not posting it over 1638 01:45:55,740 --> 01:46:00,540 Dave Jones: the last seven days 18,004,632 says 1639 01:46:00,570 --> 01:46:03,660 Adam Curry: Wow, wow. Wow. So 1640 01:46:03,660 --> 01:46:07,320 Dave Jones: it's about it's a little it's it's a little over 1641 01:46:07,320 --> 01:46:13,110 $1,000 A day going through? Gene been 1337 through cast Matic he 1642 01:46:13,110 --> 01:46:16,320 says Adam for what it's worth Chris Fisher at Jupiter 1643 01:46:16,320 --> 01:46:18,630 broadcasting has been talking about the podcast winter for 1644 01:46:18,630 --> 01:46:21,270 quite a long time now. I mentioned this simply to say 1645 01:46:21,270 --> 01:46:23,580 it's not just you that sees it. Did it 1646 01:46:23,580 --> 01:46:25,920 Adam Curry: does he call it the podcast winter though the actual 1647 01:46:25,920 --> 01:46:29,220 podcast winter that's interesting. No, 1648 01:46:30,360 --> 01:46:33,870 Kyrin Down: ad apocalypse or something like that. Okay, well, 1649 01:46:33,900 --> 01:46:39,450 Adam Curry: same. But podcast Winters is a is a bigger flows 1650 01:46:39,450 --> 01:46:45,030 from the ad pocalypse and from Spotify is failure and be just 1651 01:46:45,030 --> 01:46:49,470 bad news all around. No bad news. Meanwhile, it's not bad 1652 01:46:49,470 --> 01:46:51,720 news. The bad this is a great time to be a podcast and 1653 01:46:51,720 --> 01:46:55,560 especially to be have music in your podcast. Oh, what an 1654 01:46:55,560 --> 01:46:56,430 exciting time. 1655 01:46:57,030 --> 01:47:02,850 Kyrin Down: I'm gonna pull my shows. That was baffling value 1656 01:47:02,850 --> 01:47:05,880 for value music because like the intros and pre live stream 1657 01:47:05,910 --> 01:47:07,050 echoes livestream. 1658 01:47:07,320 --> 01:47:08,160 Adam Curry: Excellent. 1659 01:47:09,060 --> 01:47:11,970 Dave Jones: It's a podcast winner but it's a music summer. 1660 01:47:13,140 --> 01:47:17,820 Ellen see Paul 2000 sets the fountain he says spot on the 1661 01:47:17,820 --> 01:47:20,490 music analogy is very appropriate. And it's the same 1662 01:47:20,490 --> 01:47:23,190 thing that happened in the music industry. Individuality was 1663 01:47:23,190 --> 01:47:26,070 squashed in an effort to make masses follow along. 1664 01:47:27,120 --> 01:47:29,820 Adam Curry: I think Alan C. Paul, I think I've met him at 1665 01:47:29,820 --> 01:47:31,590 the SPARC media conference. 1666 01:47:32,460 --> 01:47:34,710 Dave Jones: Oh, interesting. Yeah, I was I don't recognize 1667 01:47:34,710 --> 01:47:36,390 that name. He's a new booster. Yes. 1668 01:47:36,390 --> 01:47:42,240 Adam Curry: He sent us a he sent Tina and I send us a a 21 day 1669 01:47:42,240 --> 01:47:46,320 devotional for creatives, which is pretty interesting. Just been 1670 01:47:46,320 --> 01:47:48,720 following. Yeah. I think that's I think that's alizee Paul. 1671 01:47:48,750 --> 01:47:49,710 Yeah. Oh, man. 1672 01:47:51,300 --> 01:47:55,320 Dave Jones: Cole McCormick 7777. Through fountain striper boost. 1673 01:47:55,740 --> 01:47:57,990 He says if you want to continue the discussion of the alternate 1674 01:47:57,990 --> 01:48:00,810 enclosure and what hosting companies can do better at check 1675 01:48:00,810 --> 01:48:04,680 out episode 101 of America plus the creator of pot home Barry 1676 01:48:04,860 --> 01:48:07,290 spoke with me about his vision and plan for the company. He's 1677 01:48:07,290 --> 01:48:09,180 legit go podcasting. I 1678 01:48:09,180 --> 01:48:11,070 Adam Curry: heard that interview. I listened to that 1679 01:48:11,070 --> 01:48:14,550 interview. It was great. It was it was also deep about about 1680 01:48:14,550 --> 01:48:21,060 Barry himself and his background and, you know, mushrooms and Oh, 1681 01:48:21,060 --> 01:48:24,270 yeah. Oh, yeah. That was an interesting conversation. That's 1682 01:48:24,270 --> 01:48:27,270 a pretty fun podcast. Listen to Oh, okay, 1683 01:48:27,300 --> 01:48:30,570 Dave Jones: podcast, hosting and shrooms. Alright? We need to get 1684 01:48:30,570 --> 01:48:31,230 baryons here. 1685 01:48:31,650 --> 01:48:33,180 Adam Curry: We do. Yeah. Yeah. 1686 01:48:33,510 --> 01:48:36,390 Dave Jones: Gene Everett 3333 through fat and he says boost 1687 01:48:36,390 --> 01:48:44,760 the dude. Okay. whooshed Kevin Bay. Oh, baller bass 122523 1688 01:48:44,760 --> 01:48:45,480 through pod verse. 1689 01:48:45,510 --> 01:48:49,350 Adam Curry: Whoa. Whoa, nice. Thank you. 1690 01:48:49,920 --> 01:48:52,170 Dave Jones: Thank you, Kevin. He says Christmas boost. Merry 1691 01:48:52,170 --> 01:48:53,040 Christmas, gentlemen. 1692 01:48:53,100 --> 01:48:53,940 Unknown: Merry Christmas. 1693 01:48:54,690 --> 01:48:55,320 Kyrin Down: Merry Christmas. 1694 01:48:56,070 --> 01:48:58,500 Dave Jones: Yeah. Thanks, Kevin. Appreciate that. Kevin has been 1695 01:48:58,500 --> 01:49:03,840 around forever. He's a longtime John. See if we got some from 1696 01:49:03,840 --> 01:49:10,380 John as JC 2233 through pod verse says Merry Christmas guys. 1697 01:49:10,380 --> 01:49:13,560 By the way, Adam, how is Texas slim doing is he's still around. 1698 01:49:13,620 --> 01:49:16,830 Adam Curry: Oh, good question. Texas. Slim was in Thailand for 1699 01:49:16,830 --> 01:49:21,360 several months. And, you know, he had intended to retire there 1700 01:49:21,360 --> 01:49:25,530 before he got dragged into into saving American children by 1701 01:49:25,530 --> 01:49:30,300 getting to eat American beef, grass fed grain finished beef. 1702 01:49:30,750 --> 01:49:35,070 And he was basically doing a tour through northern Thailand 1703 01:49:35,070 --> 01:49:40,740 on motorcycle. If he's badass. Okay, yeah, yes. But I think 1704 01:49:40,740 --> 01:49:45,030 he's he may maybe he might have come back today or two days ago. 1705 01:49:45,270 --> 01:49:49,230 So I think you'll see Texas limb start to crank up some stuff 1706 01:49:49,230 --> 01:49:49,590 again. 1707 01:49:50,940 --> 01:49:54,750 Dave Jones: I rode a motorcycle for many years. And I like as 1708 01:49:54,750 --> 01:50:01,860 like every day to work and back. And I wrote a Add a BMW 650 1709 01:50:01,860 --> 01:50:04,500 Adam Curry: GS. Oh, was this with a cylinder sticking out on 1710 01:50:04,500 --> 01:50:06,000 the side? No, that's 1711 01:50:06,000 --> 01:50:11,490 Dave Jones: the 1200 job I loved I had 650 this thing got set up 1712 01:50:11,550 --> 01:50:14,460 over 70 miles to the gallon. That's why That's why I wrote 1713 01:50:14,460 --> 01:50:19,320 it. But it was it was a cross country just like the 1200 gs 1714 01:50:19,320 --> 01:50:23,430 like it could go anywhere. Yeah, but but the guy that bought it 1715 01:50:23,430 --> 01:50:27,120 from me. And when I finally sold it at the guy that bought it 1716 01:50:27,120 --> 01:50:32,580 from me he was he worse up in the defense in the defense area 1717 01:50:32,580 --> 01:50:37,650 up in north Alabama. So he would work for I don't know what I 1718 01:50:37,650 --> 01:50:40,860 think he's the Texas them stuff reminded me this he would work 1719 01:50:40,860 --> 01:50:46,920 for like three years, and then build up enough cash. And then 1720 01:50:46,920 --> 01:50:52,440 he would him and his dad would go and buy motorcycles and like, 1721 01:50:53,070 --> 01:50:57,390 spend a year going across some continent and wow. And then they 1722 01:50:57,390 --> 01:50:59,550 would come back and he would just do it all over again. He 1723 01:50:59,550 --> 01:51:03,720 just did this cycle. Like it. Yeah, it's crazy, man. It's like 1724 01:51:03,720 --> 01:51:08,580 he was going he was buying my motorcycle to ride across West 1725 01:51:08,580 --> 01:51:09,120 Africa 1726 01:51:09,300 --> 01:51:13,440 Adam Curry: was so like Texas slim. No wife. No kids. Pretty 1727 01:51:13,440 --> 01:51:16,950 much. Uh huh. There's a correlation there for something. 1728 01:51:16,980 --> 01:51:17,880 Yes, there is. 1729 01:51:18,330 --> 01:51:22,530 Dave Jones: J Moon 5033 says the podcast index he says Merry 1730 01:51:22,530 --> 01:51:25,830 Christmas, gentlemen, to you and your families. Thank you. Thank 1731 01:51:25,830 --> 01:51:30,780 you, Jay moon. Dobby does do 20,000 SATs through fountain he 1732 01:51:30,780 --> 01:51:33,600 says it won't be able to listen to live. We'll be busy. So you 1733 01:51:33,600 --> 01:51:34,950 already got that stream? 1734 01:51:35,100 --> 01:51:35,820 Adam Curry: Not that one. 1735 01:51:36,540 --> 01:51:37,800 Dave Jones: Did you get homewrecker? 1736 01:51:38,460 --> 01:51:41,670 Adam Curry: I think I got tone wrecker. What a tone records 1737 01:51:41,670 --> 01:51:43,800 Dave Jones: scraping together some support sas after last 1738 01:51:43,800 --> 01:51:45,630 night's Minneapolis music stream. Yes. 1739 01:51:45,630 --> 01:51:49,500 Adam Curry: Yeah, we got that one. Okay. All right. To a 1740 01:51:49,500 --> 01:51:55,590 couple new ones that came in Cook 2112 Hey 21 told that's a 1741 01:51:55,890 --> 01:51:59,790 rush, rush boost. But this is from Getty is God. 1742 01:52:00,960 --> 01:52:04,320 Dave Jones: Oh, I don't know if he's God. But he's, he's really 1743 01:52:04,320 --> 01:52:04,980 good at the base. 1744 01:52:05,040 --> 01:52:08,790 Adam Curry: And it's from the from the podcasts index. The no 1745 01:52:08,790 --> 01:52:13,590 Eddie node pub key and custom data in the RSS feed value split 1746 01:52:13,620 --> 01:52:18,960 is the cache. If it sucks, if it succeeds, that's what they call 1747 01:52:18,960 --> 01:52:21,780 a cache hit and everything is golden. If it fails, then you 1748 01:52:21,780 --> 01:52:26,070 fetch from the key send value. Does that make any sense to you, 1749 01:52:26,070 --> 01:52:26,430 Dave? 1750 01:52:27,180 --> 01:52:29,700 Dave Jones: It does. Yeah, yeah, he's saying try a saint. Try 1751 01:52:29,700 --> 01:52:32,610 that first, then fall back to resolving the address if it 1752 01:52:32,610 --> 01:52:35,850 doesn't work. Got it. It makes sense. And 1753 01:52:35,910 --> 01:52:40,800 Adam Curry: Jeff, Jeff, Ron, see 777 Merry Christmas. Thank you. 1754 01:52:41,130 --> 01:52:44,460 And Jeanne Everett, boost boost boost my first time catching it 1755 01:52:44,460 --> 01:52:47,700 live. And there you go. Those are those alive boosts. Thank 1756 01:52:47,700 --> 01:52:49,080 you very much, Angie. Thank you. 1757 01:52:49,650 --> 01:52:53,400 Dave Jones: And we got some monthlies. We get zener Trevor 1758 01:52:53,430 --> 01:52:56,790 Zeno are $5 He's from Down Under Thank you, Trevor. Charles 1759 01:52:56,790 --> 01:53:04,110 current $5 Michael Gagan $5 Christopher Raymer $10 Shawn 1760 01:53:04,110 --> 01:53:09,480 McCune $20 Thank you. Shawn Cohen glotzbach $5 James 1761 01:53:09,480 --> 01:53:14,760 Sullivan $10. And we got a new monthly subscriber Michael Hall. 1762 01:53:14,760 --> 01:53:20,460 $5.50 Thank you, Michael. Thank you Michael. And we got an in 1763 01:53:20,490 --> 01:53:25,830 Kevin Bay also sent us $3.54 From the Parkinson's endowment 1764 01:53:25,830 --> 01:53:26,310 fund. 1765 01:53:26,880 --> 01:53:27,600 Thank you, Kevin. 1766 01:53:27,840 --> 01:53:30,240 Adam Curry: Thank you. That's truly isn't Donald let me check 1767 01:53:30,240 --> 01:53:34,500 the tally coin real quick. You know, we just do it because this 1768 01:53:34,500 --> 01:53:36,900 is where I say that you can support us value for value 1769 01:53:36,900 --> 01:53:40,410 supporting the whole index the whole project. It all goes into 1770 01:53:40,410 --> 01:53:42,840 the project nothing in the tally coin but if you want to go look 1771 01:53:42,840 --> 01:53:45,840 at nothing on the tally coin, you can go to podcast index.org 1772 01:53:45,840 --> 01:53:48,660 down at the bottom two red donate buttons one for your Fiat 1773 01:53:48,660 --> 01:53:51,990 fun coupons through Pay Pal which we appreciate the other 1774 01:53:51,990 --> 01:53:54,810 one for your on chain Bitcoin. Everyone told us I'll be sending 1775 01:53:54,810 --> 01:53:59,460 you I'll be sending you full coin. Okay. And of course what 1776 01:53:59,460 --> 01:54:02,580 we really want is for you to get a modern podcast that podcast 1777 01:54:02,580 --> 01:54:09,390 apps.com and grab one there, they're mature, they're good 1778 01:54:09,390 --> 01:54:14,910 they rock they you can integrate now with all kinds of different 1779 01:54:15,000 --> 01:54:19,500 payment systems strikes seems to be working well for people cash 1780 01:54:19,500 --> 01:54:25,500 app still a way to to get money in and working. It gets as Karen 1781 01:54:25,500 --> 01:54:28,470 said earlier, it's getting easier and easier. And we really 1782 01:54:28,470 --> 01:54:31,320 appreciate that as a way for you to send us value for the value 1783 01:54:31,320 --> 01:54:34,260 that the show and the whole project provides. Thank you 1784 01:54:34,260 --> 01:54:39,930 again for supporting podcasting. 2.0. Kira, 1785 01:54:39,960 --> 01:54:45,960 Dave Jones: we have we got a we got to talk next week. Next next 1786 01:54:45,960 --> 01:54:50,220 week. We got to get into more of a get started talking about 2024 1787 01:54:50,220 --> 01:54:51,240 And what we're going to focus on. 1788 01:54:52,500 --> 01:54:56,010 Adam Curry: Yes, well, you're going to tell us you're the pod 1789 01:54:56,010 --> 01:54:59,520 sage. You're going to tell us what we're going to focus on 1790 01:54:59,520 --> 01:55:06,120 which you will We'll probably be this serializing, your HTTP s 1791 01:55:06,120 --> 01:55:11,820 signature for the fediverse whatever that whatever the thing 1792 01:55:11,820 --> 01:55:14,220 is that you need done, that'll be that that'll be the first 1793 01:55:14,220 --> 01:55:15,180 thing that needs to be done. 1794 01:55:15,630 --> 01:55:16,140 Dave Jones: Yes, 1795 01:55:16,170 --> 01:55:19,080 Adam Curry: we've got to fix that. chyron Any closing words, 1796 01:55:19,080 --> 01:55:19,590 my friend? 1797 01:55:20,250 --> 01:55:22,740 Kyrin Down: Oh, I just wanted to thank you guys so much for 1798 01:55:23,070 --> 01:55:27,840 everything that you do like it, it needs no repeating. But it's, 1799 01:55:28,140 --> 01:55:31,200 you've completely changed my life in terms of like the 1800 01:55:31,200 --> 01:55:35,460 podcasting and the direction I wanted to focus on and go down. 1801 01:55:35,460 --> 01:55:38,700 So yeah, just coming across. What both of you have done is 1802 01:55:38,700 --> 01:55:43,230 just was spearheaded along with everyone else, of course, as has 1803 01:55:43,230 --> 01:55:47,670 been truly, truly amazing. So an early Christmas for me, 1804 01:55:47,700 --> 01:55:50,520 definitely appearing on the show as well. I have one question I 1805 01:55:50,520 --> 01:55:56,130 did want to ask was the Bitcoin meet up? Meet Up Bitcoin event 1806 01:55:56,130 --> 01:56:01,620 in July? Has there any news on that as you still got a slot on 1807 01:56:01,620 --> 01:56:03,450 the stage? What's What's the guy with that? 1808 01:56:03,480 --> 01:56:08,130 Adam Curry: Well, they reached out to me, and it was a very 1809 01:56:08,130 --> 01:56:11,760 weird conversation. They said, you know, we'd love to have you 1810 01:56:11,760 --> 01:56:16,590 on stage. Okay, here's the idea. I'm happy to do like a, you 1811 01:56:16,590 --> 01:56:19,500 know, a speech, a keynote, you know, whatever. And then I'd 1812 01:56:19,500 --> 01:56:22,410 like to do is, we'd like you to do panels at Great. I'll do a 1813 01:56:22,410 --> 01:56:27,120 panel. And I'd like to have a musician or podcasts or app 1814 01:56:27,120 --> 01:56:30,750 developer, and they said, great, and we want to have a politician 1815 01:56:30,750 --> 01:56:35,850 and a nasty guy. I'm like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, no, no, I says 1816 01:56:35,850 --> 01:56:39,300 podcasting. 2.0 Well, but you know, the draw of someone like 1817 01:56:39,900 --> 01:56:44,220 Tucker Carlson like, no, no, I don't want Tucker Carlson 1818 01:56:44,220 --> 01:56:48,060 onstage. I don't know. It's like, well, you know, we want 1819 01:56:48,120 --> 01:56:52,230 the PR values like, Oh, okay. And, um, that was the last I 1820 01:56:52,230 --> 01:56:56,670 heard from them. So I am, I have to say, Dave, you're going 1821 01:56:56,670 --> 01:56:58,590 right? Do you have tickets? They've you get tickets? 1822 01:56:58,920 --> 01:57:00,660 Dave Jones: No, I don't have tickets. Because I've been 1823 01:57:00,660 --> 01:57:04,650 trying to. I've been waiting to see if we even needed them. 1824 01:57:04,680 --> 01:57:07,800 Because I just don't know what, I don't know what's happening. 1825 01:57:07,950 --> 01:57:10,080 Man, I plan on going because it's so close to my house. I 1826 01:57:10,080 --> 01:57:12,510 mean, it's only two hours away, right? It's in Nashville, and 1827 01:57:12,510 --> 01:57:16,860 I'm in Birmingham. And so I plan on going but I'm like, Well, I 1828 01:57:16,860 --> 01:57:18,450 don't know if any tickets because I don't know if we're 1829 01:57:18,450 --> 01:57:21,030 actually going to do a presentation or anything. 1830 01:57:22,560 --> 01:57:25,320 Adam Curry: I'll reach out to I mean, I think there's enough 1831 01:57:25,320 --> 01:57:28,440 people are going to be going chyron that it's it's always fun 1832 01:57:28,440 --> 01:57:29,550 to meet up with people. 1833 01:57:30,240 --> 01:57:32,940 Kyrin Down: That was my plan, no matter what. Yeah. And the 1834 01:57:32,940 --> 01:57:38,370 Adam Curry: fact that if you're coming, and I'm sure Oscar is 1835 01:57:38,370 --> 01:57:41,220 going to be there. Dave if you're there, I mean, you know, 1836 01:57:41,280 --> 01:57:44,160 I'm not quite sure what days it is. Because, you know, like 1837 01:57:44,160 --> 01:57:46,770 producing stuff on the road. Because I have to keep kind of 1838 01:57:46,770 --> 01:57:48,060 my day job going. But you 1839 01:57:48,060 --> 01:57:51,030 Kyrin Down: know, I'd stay through Saturday is of course, 1840 01:57:51,270 --> 01:57:51,780 the horse 1841 01:57:51,780 --> 01:57:58,110 Adam Curry: couldn't be any worse. Yeah. So um, I'm not sure 1842 01:57:58,140 --> 01:58:01,080 but I will get an answer from those guys. Because I think it'd 1843 01:58:01,080 --> 01:58:04,920 be fun to do that. I think we could, you know, with we could 1844 01:58:04,950 --> 01:58:08,160 we could we could do the V for V LIVE I'd like and I was telling 1845 01:58:08,160 --> 01:58:10,590 was like, we have all this cool stuff. And we can have booster 1846 01:58:10,590 --> 01:58:14,670 grams that show up on the screens. We can have QR codes 1847 01:58:14,670 --> 01:58:17,040 for people to participate in the audience. It was like yeah, and 1848 01:58:17,040 --> 01:58:18,750 Tucker Carlson. Ah 1849 01:58:22,260 --> 01:58:24,840 Dave Jones: this is such a weird thing. Very weird. 1850 01:58:24,870 --> 01:58:26,280 Adam Curry: Well, you know, because we need it. We need a 1851 01:58:26,280 --> 01:58:29,460 big names. Like, what do you want? You want to have a 1852 01:58:29,460 --> 01:58:33,330 conference that is, informs people and show something that's 1853 01:58:33,330 --> 01:58:35,730 some stuff good stuff that's going on? Or 1854 01:58:36,870 --> 01:58:38,280 Dave Jones: did you tell them currents coming? 1855 01:58:38,550 --> 01:58:42,870 Adam Curry: There you? And I just said Hey, baby, we're gonna 1856 01:58:42,870 --> 01:58:48,630 have a nice little sesh on stage. Parents come in. That's 1857 01:58:48,630 --> 01:58:53,460 right. We got the pod sage on the stage. Yeah, baby. 1858 01:58:54,330 --> 01:58:59,520 Dave Jones: Please don't ever say sesh against like, says no. 1859 01:59:00,330 --> 01:59:00,990 This role. 1860 01:59:01,680 --> 01:59:04,110 Adam Curry: Thank you very much. boardroom. Thank you, everybody 1861 01:59:04,110 --> 01:59:06,630 who showed up at this late hour. Thank you. For those who are 1862 01:59:06,630 --> 01:59:11,970 tuning in late from overseas, baby. Yeah, you made it so extra 1863 01:59:11,970 --> 01:59:16,740 special tonight. Kyron Are you will? It's lunchtime for you. 1864 01:59:17,880 --> 01:59:19,620 Kyrin Down: It's just past it. But yeah, yeah. Okay. 1865 01:59:19,650 --> 01:59:23,550 Adam Curry: Well enjoy your enjoy your lunch day. My 1866 01:59:23,550 --> 01:59:25,650 brother. Do you have yourself a great weekend? 1867 01:59:26,340 --> 01:59:29,520 Dave Jones: You too, man. And Christmas. Yeah. Oh, that's 1868 01:59:29,520 --> 01:59:31,020 Adam Curry: right. Merry Christmas, everybody. 1869 01:59:31,710 --> 01:59:32,790 Kyrin Down: Merry Christmas. Right. We 1870 01:59:32,790 --> 01:59:35,130 Adam Curry: said Merry Christmas. And that'll do it for 1871 01:59:35,130 --> 01:59:38,370 podcasting. 2.0 for our pre Christmas Show. 1872 02:00:00,000 --> 02:00:05,280 Unknown: You guys are cool. You hope You have been listening to 1873 02:00:05,310 --> 02:00:11,160 podcasting 2.0 Visit podcast index.org for more information. 1874 02:00:11,580 --> 02:00:14,100 Don't forget the beer podcast.