Adam Curry: Oh, podcasting 2.0 for December 29 2023 Episode 161
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Dave Jones: barely made it. But I got it. I got a piece I got a
big chunk of tape, copper tape between the road caster and my
USBC cable.
Adam Curry: I gotta I gotta get some of that that sounds like a
really good idea. Instead of the fair IQs
Dave Jones: there's like a roll it comes in a roll so like it
looks like it's the size of duct tape. But it's it's just copper
foil so here's why I got it
Adam Curry: yeah, I was gonna say what do you typically buy
that for not to not to shield your USB cables no doubt
Dave Jones: about it to line sorry, though to line the inside
of my guitar, electronics cavities where they route the
guitar body out because guitars they're not balanced balanced
input same things
Adam Curry: you got to you got to pick up literally a pickup
that is there to pick up all kinds of stuff. Yeah, noise
Dave Jones: guitar electric guitars are basically noise
amplifiers. Yes.
Adam Curry: We discovered a Dave had a little weird noise how the
road caster and I immediately said move the USB cable. And he
did and it worked was great. It was
Dave Jones: like magic. And immediately it was gone. But the
problem is my USBC cable. Yeah, is always already stretched to
his limit. So okay, wanting to always go back and rest on top
of the XLR jack. So I just put some copper foil there. I feel
like we're in good shape. I know I don't hear any hizzy
Adam Curry: I think I need some of this copper foil tape to keep
my tinfoil hat in place.
Dave Jones: You basically make a build up yeah, what the hell
this thing's what's the rooms that you make out a coil? Oh, I
Adam Curry: mean a Faraday Faraday cage Faraday cage. Yeah.
You're
Dave Jones: gonna Faraday cage your head.
Adam Curry: Well, Dave, here we are. It's the end of the year.
It's another year of podcasting. 2.0 We're still friends. I love
that. We've been friends now. Is this our 13th year 14th year? No
more even maybe? Oh, 14th year I think
Dave Jones: we started to freedom controller what? 2010 or
2009. So I'm like, almost as
Adam Curry: long as two wives put together
Dave Jones: we've never had a fun never.
Adam Curry: We never had a fight. Actually never. I don't
think we've ever had a fight. I
Dave Jones: can't remember one. No, no, it was it was a tiny
one. And I don't remember and I moved on fast.
Adam Curry: Implying that it was my fault. Nice.
Dave Jones: You took the bait
Adam Curry: was It was fun listening to some of the year
end shows? Listening to Todd and Rob and then listening to the
podcast industrial complex on the although somehow they
slipped you in? How did you get in the door?
Dave Jones: See, I just I've gotten pretty good at that about
just it's like do you remember in the office when that? That
woman she just went and sat in the office and set up all our
stuff in nobody in? She just became the manager just because
she interloper. Yeah, exactly. I just interlocked my way into
into various
Adam Curry: podcasts this year. Yeah, that was good. That was
good. I'd like that. But otherwise, like, we don't
Dave Jones: know why he's here. But I guess we'll play him
anyway.
Adam Curry: And then was the the media roundtable which is just
it's become a favorite. Listen, I don't want to say hey, I don't
want to say hate listen, because I don't I don't hate them at
all. No, not at all, you know, but I just listened to him. And
I, I feel I felt bad. Because everyone's you know, kind of
demure, and you know, it's all going down. And we don't know
how to count downloads or impressions or whatever. We
don't know what to count anymore. And it's confusing and
people aren't buying ads. And we have to go I do like the term
NTR this is a good one. I think James who was on the roundtable
he came with NTR what is that? Oh, non traditional revenue. Oh,
I like to like it. I like NTR Yeah. And TR and they just use
it as an acronym. I had never heard of it before. Well, yes, I
think NTR so basically, that means everything except
advertising and value for value for some reason. It was like Oh,
Nick the red. What? Which was interesting, because not nary a
mention of value for value.
Dave Jones: No, no, I was listening closely. And I liked
the media roundtable too, because it's like a it's like a
window into the mind of the podcast industrial complex into
the
Adam Curry: dark soul. The soul is dark hole of the podcast
industrial complex. You're staring
Dave Jones: weakly into complex places hold
Unknown: the abyss. Yes. And
Dave Jones: it's depressing sometimes.
Adam Curry: Yeah. I'm so amazed by again. We'll get to that. I
think you have some clips. So I'll reserve my comments,
perhaps until you play those so we can just because we got a lot
of other stuff to talk about.
Dave Jones: Yeah, for sure.
Adam Curry: You want to play these clips? Your viewers
because Mr. does that stand for media roundtable?
Dave Jones: It does. C stands for let's just
Adam Curry: get it out of the way so we can move forward and
get ready for 2024.
Dave Jones: Okay, so the, you know, we've been on this on this
tip million on the tip of what, what is the real reason why
podcasts wide, the term podcast is getting redefined writing
anything, especially YouTube videos. And they sort of they
always dance around when I say they I mean, the podcast
industrial complex, which the podcast industrial complex for
these, for purposes of this discussion, is I'm defining as
the digital the digital advertising, ie buyers, and
brokers and agencies
Adam Curry: and researchers, and researchers and press.
Dave Jones: And press yes. All of the everybody attached to
digital advertising, who is then layered on top of the podcast
infrastructure. So they're basically using podcasting as
just another digital advertising channel. So they don't have any
really inherent loyalty to podcasting as, as a medium. It's
just, they just happen to be there tomorrow, it can be
something else. So we know that, you know, they say these things
in in this way. But this is like the clearest example that I've
heard they there. They get on this talk about what what does
it wasn't mean for YouTube videos to be called podcast. And
sky Pillsbury, who writes a newsletter was on there. And she
actually
Adam Curry: liked her the best I'd liked her the best of all
the people I heard. Yeah, she was interesting. I'm not heard
of before. Yeah, great name, too.
Dave Jones: So she was saying that, that she's got a real
problem with her, she hates the fact that this the YouTube
videos are being called podcasts. And this in this
discussion ensues, which contains basically the clearest
explanation of the way this thing works. And then and then
she she asks a follow up, and it clarifies it even more. So. The
she they ask the host, what, you know what the deal is with with
all that on the buying side? And basically what he says is a
podcast is whatever you need it to be to sell it. Yeah,
Unknown: here's how I would look at it, on behalf of the buying
community is that complexity is not our friend. You know, if you
think about, I think that, that large agencies and large brands
have to create a bunch of rules. And right now they draw their
lines, all different places. So some people put podcasts in
their radio line items, some people put it under digital
because they're streaming heavy. Some people have a digital audio
line item, but how that is coded for a brand when they set their
budgets is really, really significant. And, and so I
remember in the early days, I mean, we're really talking five
to 10 years ago, it was there were a lot of networks working
very hard to go to Madison Avenue meet with the big holding
companies and fight for them to add podcasting as a line item on
their budgets. And I think that that is happening increasingly I
think that the momentum is there and it's going to be the rule.
And so So the challenge is if you if you force a new
definition to something that is a podcast that goes on video, if
it's a native audio conversation, that you're now
distributing with a video on a video platform, probably YouTube
possibly elsewhere, you're gonna have some he's gonna have to go
fight that battle all over again or the video impressions will
get neglected. And so we kind of have some infrastructure around
people doing influencer marketing with YouTube
influencers. And then you have podcast and audio influencers,
but when they crossover between the two, it can really get lost
in the shuffle. And if you want creators to maximize the revenue
they could be getting to support their shows. The best way to do
that is to give them simple definitions for the brand
community to buy through.
Adam Curry: Oh, man, hold on a second. A couple of words I
wrote down by buying community brands community podcast
influencers and native audio conversations.
Dave Jones: Like knack.
Adam Curry: NTR is knack. Okay.
Dave Jones: Hey, you have a knack for potty podcast
influencers? Who Who would that be?
Adam Curry: It's it's a it's a well informed the whole thing is
what is being ignored here is the actual audience who gives a
crap as long as we got some numbers only got influencers, I
think are people who you do native ads, basically. Okay,
Dave Jones: okay. That's funny. He's doing his brand. Yeah.
Okay.
Adam Curry: It's using something or he's talking about something.
YouTube is filled with these, of course, I mean, even in the, in
the, in our space. In our in the podcast space. You see guys who
were reviewing mixers and microphones, their influences
whether they're getting paid for it or not. They're influencers
because they're talking about a brand unboxers all this stuff.
It's all that was all it's all kind of geared towards commerce
and towards the sale of products and services. But But yeah,
there's so there's no, there's no real I didn't want here just
say podcasting, podcasts, influencers, native audio
conversations, YouTube videos, I didn't have just podcasters
podcasters.
Dave Jones: She so Skye Pillsbury follows up just to
make sure that the because that that was, as you mentioned, that
reply was it was clear in its structure, but it was muddled
with a lot of like, you know, jargon, industry jargon. So in
the digital ad space jargon, so she makes a follow up to clarify
and make it even simpler, what's going on.
Unknown: But you're saying it's interesting, because what you're
saying is that it actually what I'm seeing as complicating what
a podcast is, you're saying, actually keeping the term
podcast, even if it's on YouTube, keeps it simpler for
the advertising buyer. And and that makes complete sense to me.
So yeah,
because otherwise, they've got to go across the hall and go to
the influencer team and go, Hey, can I get some of your revenue
to put against the video component of this podcast? You
don't want them having to do that the more steps they got to
take, the less likely they are to do it. So 100%? Yeah, so I
think it's actually better for their business if they if we can
forego that. So
Adam Curry: here's what I like about this. This shows that the
media, the buying community are idiots, because the idiots are
they don't care that there's probably more like they don't
care. Right? Yeah. And I was in this I built a $450 million a
year revenue company with 700. Employee a co built, I should
say, was 700 employees. And we did this I know all the
acronyms. I made up acronyms. The I sold statistics, do you
remember the what was that? There was a stats package early,
early days, maybe it's like web stats, or something you could
was basically a log file analyzer. And it would spit out
charts and you know, it had early days, right? It had hits
and stuff like that. And we could have just given that to
our client, the advertiser who looks to us to be smart. But
instead we we said no, no, we give you are ASAP. Was that? The
Yeah, the advanced statistics analysis package. So so we would
give them the charts. Maghrib Yeah, regular grid, right. We'd
sit down and and we walk them through it and explain your
analysis of what all this meant. And then we could charge for it
just handed out you know, or here's, here's a stats page.
What a loss I actually think Todd does does this pretty well,
blueberry, I'm not sure if there's only one Todd but to
actually walk through your stats and say here here's what's going
on here. Here's what I'm seeing and he has very detailed
knowledge of of the download game but he's he's alone guy,
you know, it's like all of this is but they were talking on a
new new media show that some Heather Osgood or someone, some
was moving to impressions because you know, we can't
actually get you listens, or plays, or downloads, the whole
thing is broken. It's 20 years later, If I hear one more person
say we're so no, it's such a new medium, right? The industry is
so young. No, it's not. You've just failed at doing this over
and over and over again. And there was one other thing I
didn't clip it. But they also talked about studios, like,
like, Okay, now at MGM, all of a sudden, the MGM of podcasting.
So you have studios, which were all destroyed and swallowed up
by Spotify. They were they were dying anyway. They, you know,
they really, it has no reason for life
Dave Jones: was prolonged. Yeah, what
Adam Curry: they call networks, you know, and all of that. I
know this because I failed at it myself. It took 10 years, and we
had the video bullcrap come in. It's just a complete repeat. So
it's easy for me to to see what's happening and to predict
what will go down. Because obviously, the next thing is,
we'll just make podcasts for brands. Here's the Acura RDX
podcast. I mean, that's what it always devolves to. But the
thing that was interesting, was, they asked, and this is where
you cannot monetize. The network comes in there. I actually heard
someone say, well, hopefully, studios, I think studio slash
networks will be able to fund enough, you know, simple chat
shows, just like we're doing just two people on a podcast, I
heard that in order to put lots of lots of money into, you know,
the long form highly edited, $150,000 producers travel all
over the world podcast. Let me tell you how that's gonna work
out for you with your network or your studio. The people who are
the people who are bringing in the money that you're then
spending on the on the non profitable stuff, we're gonna
get mad and you're gonna leave, like, what do I need you for?
I'm popular. I got my listeners, I don't need you to take my
money and give it to something else. It's not making money
because you can go to the award show. Because that's literally
what it is. They
Dave Jones: denigrated. They denigrated radio a lot. And I'm
sure it's not because they hate radio. It's not mean they're
they're radio people. It's because they they think it's a
dying a dying medium. But the thing is radio still makes so
much money. More more money than podcasting. Well, I mean, in in,
like, if you're, if you're saying they use the term, the
radio ification of podcasting and how that's a bad thing.
Well, I mean, it's the radio ification of podcasting means
podcasting can actually make money. Well, that doesn't seem
like it's a bad thing to me. Well, all talking. If you take
me there's only two forms of radio, broadcast radio, there's
music, and there's people talking it that's those are your
those are your two things and plan podcasting. Is people
talking and that makes money. It makes lots and lots and lots of
money. Well,
Adam Curry: the Okay, so here's the issue with radio. Radio,
hear myself back from the I don't know why you have a fader
open or something represent things. It could just be doesn't
matter. One, two to three days ago, that's where professionals
is it? I don't know what it is. It's like it's might become
through headphones. I don't know. Oh, gosh, probably not. I
don't know it could be for me. Radio down, I'll turn it over
there that fix it. Thank you radio practice, but his ruined
radio is ruined because the audiences are ruined, which
podcasting did now that doesn't mean that radio is dead, not by
a longshot. Radio is ubiquitous. You have radio receivers
everywhere. I remember Steve Jobs said to me, Adam, I want to
build radio receivers for you. And that was the iPod. That was
that was the whole idea was to have one transmission protocol.
And then hundreds of millions of radios all around the world
doesn't matter what device you have, it should be able to
receive this signal. This RSS signals is a rock solid signal.
The problem with radio is yes, it still makes oodles of money.
Although if you go look at some of the companies that have
consolidated, they are losing money hand over fist they can't
keep up the revenue because they have CPMs which is diluted
across the board for everybody. So it is a race to the bottom
CPMs always are and they've stacked 20 minutes of
advertising into every hour of radio. And this is exactly why
podcasting in the beginning was so exciting and beautiful.
Because you heard heard voices you typically wouldn't hear not
your train NPR voices. You heard normal people talking about
normal people stuff. They weren't hurry, they weren't
worried about the program director. They weren't worried
about anything about time hitting the news at the top of
the hour. In fact, I went back, and I got the opening to my
daily source code. Now this is already after, probably after
six months, or maybe nine months of episodes. But this was
literally the opening of the daily source code, something
remarkable
Unknown: is happening. Yeah, radio is springing free of the
regulated gatekeepers who manage what you've been here, since
radio was invented. It's jumping into the hands of anyone at all
was something or nothing to say.
Adam Curry: And that was the beauty of it. You could do
whatever you wanted. No gatekeepers. You don't hear
anywhere, like we can make money now we don't need you and we can
make money your own. No, none of that was there that was never,
never in play, that I fall into that trap, of course. But that
was never the original intent. And then the digital media
industry, decided to call the podcasting, space, an industry
and started and decided to call podcasters Indies. I really,
really grabbed my goat. And so when I see the Hollywood
Reporter coming out with their article, podcasting will grow
and 2024 so they have the opening of this article,
Spurlock posted this going into 2020 for podcasting executives.
Dive to pause right there. Who are these podcasting executives?
Yeah,
Dave Jones: Who Who are these guys is a podcasting executive
podcasting
Adam Curry: executives remain incredibly bullish on growth in
the sector, with an eye toward creating multiple revenue
streams for creators, and using artificial intelligence and
video to expand the audience. So this is bullcrap. This is utter,
utter utter bull crap. Artificial Intelligence and
video will expand the audience. There's no evidence for this
other than internal research. And we went through that in the
last show how you can get the answers you want from the
questions you ask. It's all biased. But let's just run down
a few things here what's happening, and for 2024, I'm
going to be a little bit more direct. So first of all,
podcasting is not something you monetize your audience that you
need to grow. It's not something you have to monetize you podcast
because you have something or nothing to say. And you want to
say it without anybody stopping you from say that you may want
to say something to the Rotary Club, you may want it's not a
it's not a it's not a vocation. It's not like blogging. This is
blogging started the same way. I'm going to be a blogger, I'm
going to make that my career, very few people have made that
their career. Very few. It's incredibly hard. YouTube is
evil. Google started their entire business by saying, Don't
be evil. You don't have to say that unless you know you're
going to be evil. YouTube was in their prospectus. The s one
filing document. YouTube is evil. Google killed RSS once
before with Google Reader. And they came out with failed
product after failed products. And it was actually I realized
now because a Tina use that and she and I was talking to her
about it, too. What was it that you liked about that? She said,
Well, it was really a search engine. Because I could search
for a topic a term and I get a bunch of nuts. You didn't say
feeds but she understands that what they weren't, she did I get
a bunch of blogs and sites that I could then subscribe to. And I
could categorize them and put them into boxes. And I you know,
and because she was a marketing of a mark com communications
specialist. And she really liked that she could follow stuff. And
she could also if something was of no value, she could
unsubscribe, but she was in total control of it. So it's
it's important to note that she didn't have to go find stuff or
if she found a blog, she wouldn't have to hunt. She did
not hunt around for an RSS icon. You know or 5000 Chiclets.
Subscribe with all this, she just went to her her app, her
reader, which was Google Reader and search for it and then
clicked subscribe. That's very important. This is where
podcasting went above and beyond blogs, because we came up with
with places where you could search and that search is
distributed to the apps, but Google is evil. They killed RSS
once before. Anybody who thinks that they are that they're being
kind to RSS, you're fooling yourself. So our struggle I'll
just call the struggle, my fight our struggle for 2024 is not
it's, it's against the so called leaders, the rulers, the
authorities, the executives, it's against the power of dark
worlds of platforms, and the evil forces they run on. greed,
vanity, pride and laziness. And that's where AI comes in. learn
a trade, learn to craft, and learn how to edit, blurred, how
to make a good mic sound, go to someone to get some, some
learning, listen to them, ask them questions. AI is not going
to solve everything for you particularly won't make you
human. It will make you less human. And being human is one of
the most beautiful things in the world. I remember when I just
started on television, and I was 19 years old. And props to my
first wife on this one. I was 19 years old. And I was doing doing
half the country was watching me and I was very nervous. There
was it was I'd come out of radio, I'd never done
television. Before I was sudden I've got 12 cameras, I've got
the director's assistant directors, video switchers,
camera, guys, you know, lighting people, I had to make friends
with everybody to understand how what I didn't understand what
the director actually did. So I learned all that. And then I was
trying to be as, as perfect as possible, you know, not fumble a
word. And my wife at the time said, Why are you so messed up
about that? It makes you human people like it when you do that.
And so I started to relax. And over the course of my career,
I've learned that that is true. The more human you are, the more
personal you are, the more people can identify with you.
You don't have to be the perfect NPR voice in the cloud. You
don't. As I said, the concept of indie podcasting, I want you
You're dead to me if you talk that way. If you're a podcaster
you're a podcaster not an indie, you're a podcaster there is no
podcasting industry. We just went through that they can't
even they didn't even say it No, it's this is influencers. It's
buying community podcasting influences that native audio, no
one said podcasting. So they don't care. So they don't get to
take the name and call you an indie in the space consultants.
Bullcrap, stay away from them. Ai production has already said
this is this is not something you need in your life.
Obviously, computer computers and I just I'm not going to use
AI, obviously, it's great to have a transcript run. Is that
really the generative chat GPT for AI that everyone's promising
us will take over the world and eat us? No, it's it's it's an
algorithm and runs and works pretty well. Now it's It's okay.
It's not great, but it's okay. And it works. Can you some have
your your podcast summarize? Yeah, you can, you're still
gonna have to look at it's like a dishwasher. Dishwashers they
seem like they're really a good deal but you're handling the
dishes twice. You beard, you're you're rinsing it off putting it
in and you're drying them off via with the last remnants when
you take it out and putting it away. You could do it all in one
fell swoop. So AI is the dishwasher of Silicon Valley,
how you go.
Dave Jones: This is an interesting comp. This is an
interesting line of line of thinking. I'm just sitting here
listening to you talk about this and it reminds me so last night.
So I listened to this podcast called The Lord of spirits.
Adam Curry: Oh, yeah. I've subscribed to those guys. Yeah,
since
Dave Jones: you a couple episodes. And it's a couple of
Greek Orthodox priests who just kind of you know, chew the fat
about biblical topics and Philly and ain't your family. Yeah.
Ancient Faith. Yeah. Flood, you know, all sorts of flotsam and
jetsam. And they discuss all kinds of things very, very
knowledgeable people and some it veers off often into other into
other topics but so there's this episode leasing found a time
while you're fighting
Adam Curry: that I just want to respond meatus BS your
dishwasher, cleans and dries really well. You're still
handling the plates twice. You put them in, you take them out
where it could go in one fell swoop and you're done for the
night. Nothing Just nothing to do in the morning.
Dave Jones: This let's see where is it?
Adam Curry: I'm sorry. He says our dishwasher cleans and dries
really well. But I buy her flowers often. Wow. Wow. Well,
Unknown: there was a punch line. Shaggy Dog, wouldn't it Well
played sir.
Dave Jones: Yeah, enjoy your new year. Tell me how the couch is.
Let's see where am I can can find that oh, here it is here.
It's the art inside the name of this episode is The Art and
Science of techno Mansi. So, techno Mansi is an interesting
word. This is about this episode was about technology. And so you
know, last year I read the book, the technological society, by
Jacques Aaloo. And one thing, he's what he said in that book
mates up really well with what they were talking about in this
episode. And they, they did it because he talks in that book
about how technology with we think of it today, in terms of
when we hear the word technology, we think of
electronics, primarily. But mostly, it's mechanical,
physical technology, in some so in some sense, but the
definition of technology really, is, anytime anytime you apply
technique to solve for a problem, right? Or to effect
effectuate outcomes that are deterred determined by you, the
person who's employing technique. And so in that sense,
technique is or technology is, is just a form of knowledge. So
they discuss this and there's like, well, you know, there's
different types of knowledge and moral knowledge or ability to
reason morally, and say, this is a good thing, this is a bad
thing. There's philosophical knowledge, there is emotional
knowledge, like the knowledge of, of loving relationships,
things like this. There's all different forms of knowledge.
And many words to describe these forms of knowledge. In tech,
tech, Gnosis is just another technology, technological
knowledge is just another form of knowledge, this event in so
if you look at all these things, that one of the prop were the
primary, pre industrial forms of, of, of technology was
spiritual technology, or what you may even call magic. Do you
know, so, this this spiritual technology is, are things like,
you know, some sort of incantation or ceremony or or
liturgical process or even even certain types? Oh, that's the
Thiele. theological knowledge, theological theories about
atonement and things like that, where you plug in, you plug in a
formula, and you get out this this thing. So you may, you may
pray to a to a God, and that God has been bound to answer your
prayer in some specific way, as long as you do the process or
the ceremony correctly, or you sacrifice in a certain way and
Right, right, right, some outcome. And this was a real, I
mean, this was normal, this was just a typical thing that
humanity did. And we like to, we like to think that we left we
have this sort of progression myth of the progress of the
progress of human human, you know, society as if we were old.
And if older generations were, were dumber, or are somehow less
informed, and we are now we've been on the slow march forward,
this ascent of knowledge and intellect for 1000s of years.
When really, it doesn't work that way at all. There's no slow
linear progress forward in anything in humanity. We, it's a
big, it's a big shit show of ups and downs and forwards and
backwards. And what we've gotten now as far as I'm concerned, is,
is a return of sort of spiritual, techno techno Mansi
AI. In the rigor in terms of what you were talking in the
context, what you were talking about, is some is a form of
conjuring. Yes. You're trying to, you're trying to say, Okay,
I want to develop a way to conjure material out of out of
thin air so that I so that I look better. I don't I don't
have to work as hard. It's a it's a sort of magic. In that
sense. We've we've returned to spirit To all technology because
ai, ai is just as fuzzy as any sort of incantation or, or for
spiritual ceremony might be, you don't know what you're gonna get
you think you're gonna get something? If you do it the
right way you think, Okay, well, the income, the outcome is going
to be predictable, but that that spirit that you just conjured it
could aid you in your in your endeavors or it could eat you.
You don't you don't actually know.
Adam Curry: Well, there's a first of the moniker AI is just
wrong. I mean, I have a road caster, you couldn't call the
processing that it does AI. I understand what it is I can
create a noise gate from a competing limiter and
compressor. I know how to do it, I understand it. I've done it
with tube products. I understand what it is. And this is it's
been baked into a tool. This is very old technology. If you want
to call that AI fine, call it AI. But when I when I tried to
fix some audio, like, oh, I'll just throw it in the Adobe
thing. Now by go back to filtering and doing because it
can't do it doesn't give me the predictable results. And learn
the art. It's an art. Yeah, I mean, if you don't want to learn
how to do images, you could create it with some words and a
generator is great, but I see it. Now. It's it's not really
fooling me. It's like, okay, it kind of looks what it is. And
you all look like you came from the same school of arts, or
Schools of Art. And so learn how to do this. Get an
apprenticeship with somebody who say, Can I can I want you to do
this? Can I can I see how you do it?
Dave Jones: I would you plug in you plug in a bunch of prompts
to plug in a bunch of wording to stable diffusion or what's the
other thing the other? The other big image generator? Dolly?
Yeah, you plug in a bunch of stuff to that. And it gives you
something crazy that you didn't expect. And in the AI advocates,
the will they'll just say well, your your prompts weren't right.
But go to he didn't You didn't we didn't word it correctly,
because your incantation was right. You said one of your he
said one of your words wrong. Yeah, go
Adam Curry: back. Go to the no agenda, art generator.com Go
back 20 pages. And you'll see when these things came into
play. And guess we choose some of them. But in general, the art
has gone downhill. Because it's all kind of the same thing kind
of as the same look of the true artists. Hopefully they come
through the I think they're even discouraged from time to time.
Don't even upload any more because you know, this AI stuff
and everyone's faster than I am. And you know, so it's it's
reductive. It's it's reductive in my world. Journey.
Dave Jones: That's what I was thinking that in the journey
stuff looks identical. Charts
Adam Curry: and Rancors are bull crap. This is not the world of
tomorrow. It's not even the world of today. It's a dying
world, that it doesn't matter anymore. Joe Rogan biggest
podcaster in the world, he's 5% of everything, and 5% and you
don't need to be number one anymore. We're our little
project here surviving just perfectly on a couple 1000
people who support it. We don't need to be number one of iTunes.
We don't need iTunes promotion. We don't need to be. We have the
worst searchable name in the universe. Podcasting. They point
out whoever whoever came up with that stupidity, you can see oh,
it's stupid. Now, dai dai, the inserted advertising, go ahead.
This a race to the bottom. Yeah, this is that's radio
suffocation. But you know what it is, is bad for podcasting is
bad because people see their apps as the platform, and
they're blaming the apps. They're blaming the apps for the
ads that you're putting into your podcast as a pre roll.
Discovery is bullcrap. That's not how people discover pot. We
don't need algos. And you don't need to be in the YouTube with
the funny little links and everything. If you think that's
how you're going to get discovered and how you'll build
an audience of people that are interested in your topic. You're
fooling yourself. You don't need that. Those proclaiming YouTube
is the way in the future are Satan's helpers. I mean, this
view are you are really it's bad. You're a podcaster you have
a feed. That's your source of truth. That is you under your
control. We have an entire ecosystem over 20 years. Your
children aren't even that old 20 years, the who have built this
ecosystem for you to use very cost efficiently. God bless
those who have Created podcast companies and the new ones who
are coming in who are 2.0 native. And the ones who are
catching up. God bless you all, because you have created you
truly have created the the tools that we need. And you continue
to retool over and over again, it's not easy this stuff now,
can the beauty of podcasting and your feed is you can host it on
your own little server somewhere. You can write it with
a notepad. That's what makes podcasting great. You can't do
that with YouTube. So when you think that YouTube is taking
your feed and greatest and the YouTube Music app is the best
podcast app out there, you are Satan's helper. Go away. Potty
Dave Jones: Kevin, we have an actual satanist who donates to
the show we could add, probably concur. Was that? The Trevor guy
from Australia? Oh, is this five bucks a month? Oh, thank
Adam Curry: you. Thank you say yes.
Dave Jones: Let us know if Satan is in is in favor of giving RSS
to Google and YouTube.
Adam Curry: So here's what no one talks about. Is the
interactivity. This is this is where podcasting differentiates
from radio, we, we have tools, we have ways to let the audience
be a part of the programming. And quite honestly, you need to
do that. The reason why radio is so expensive is because you
can't just have everybody producing, it doesn't work that
way that IT systems not set up. But if you want people to create
artwork for you, if you want people to create the sound
things for you, if they want them to create chapters, or even
just boosted grams, that's being an integral part of the
programming. That is what the value for value model has shown.
Not non traditional revenue. Now, obviously, I believe in
value for value, because we have two families who for 16 years
have put children through schools, we're happy
individuals, we have nice lives. We have two cars per family, we
have roof over our head. And no matter what the ups and downs,
it's pretty consistent. At the end of the year, we did it
again. We'll do it again. It works. But it's not something
that you start overnight, and I've started building value,
where's my money? How come I can't live on this? It took me
years I sold stuff. I ate my airplane. I mean all the I did
everything I could I had to scam around for health insurance. One
of our producers actually gave me health insurance from to fit
to 2015. No, from 2012 to 2015 helped me on his company's
health insurance. You know, this is this is what an interactive
audience does. If you have here's clue, an outstanding
product just because you're there doesn't mean that anyone
cares about you. But But you can start with two people. And then
those two people will tell other people about that's how it
works. Discovery, the way we've thought of traditionally by the
media roundtable people is not applicable. But something that
I'm not against advertising, I'm not against selling products. We
have an AI in the NTR category, we obviously have value for
value streaming Satoshis, please, we've overlooked booster
grams had become such a thing even for me. People are now
seeing like, hey, wait a minute, somebody's streaming me 200 SATs
a minute data adds up. That really adds up and is good.
Dave Jones: Yeah, does it does we need to start figuring out we
need to figure out a way to highlight that better on the
show. Well, it's
Adam Curry: also a way for it to be easier for people to see it
and calculate it. You know, that's that's a part of it,
because all stats packages helipad included are kind of
built for just seeing what the booster grams are and you can
output stuff for that. Some, I believe direct response and and
what is it called? Forget the other term. When call to action.
I believe that works. So forget the counting of downloads, no
advertisers gonna care about that and 2024 anymore. They they
are they're onto it. The media buyers are not going to stand in
front of their clients and say, oh, yeah, these people listen to
it. Because it's all over the media. Everybody knows anyone
who was who was in on the brand side is gonna say how do you how
do you know they actually listen to it? Can you prove it? They're
gonna they're gonna get in your face about it. Because the other
and even for YouTube and Tiktok this very fuzzy, you know, what
is the view? Well, it's 30 seconds, one minute so it was my
ad listen to I don't know, but if you want to be a podcaster,
who has people support your program? You say listen, this is
this is brought to you by geek vape I want you to pause right
now and click on the picture that you see in your app, it'll
take you to Geek vape.com. That's all you need. And we can
do that with chapters, there's a space for a link, there doesn't
just have to be a picture only, go back later on, go into the
chapters, and find the picture of the geek vape and click on
it, and then go check it out, see, if you want to buy it, you
can get compensated for the person going there. And you can
get compensated for somebody buying something.
Dave Jones: And I have cloud and you have cloud chapters, the
ability to update in real time without having to touch the
audio, it
Adam Curry: can update later on all if they change the product.
All of that is totally possible. And it's honest.
Dave Jones: It's in the tracking pixels, because you're going to
the site. Yes, response. Yes,
Adam Curry: direct response. So I believe in that that works.
Now I agree when again, now I'm gonna wind up this rap. So
again, YouTube is evil. For Podcasting, it's fine for
whatever it wants to be, stay away from it. We do video just
fine. If you think that that's what you need to do. I don't
believe so. I think I'll and I like Sky's take on that. She
says her heart breaks every little time a little more every
single time someone says that podcasting is YouTube videos or
whatever. We have a couple of really awesome things that are
happening right now. Pod rolls, is a great mechanism for your
quote unquote, discovery. We need to surface them. We need to
show these in the podcast apps. I believe booster grams are
another great way. I'm not sure what what the way is or how
we're supposed to do that yet. But I want to I mean, I'm not
developing an app and other people are much, much more
creative and smarter than I am. Think about that. And now, what
I saw happen this past week, my socks are blown off. When I saw
that I could search for mo facts with Adam curry. On my own my
own I have a secret little mastodon. And up pops the feed
the item mo facts with Adam curry, which has an index ID.
And somehow through the magic of the Federation, which I think
means someone already if if someone hasn't already sought
for it and follow it or something it doesn't. It won't
show up in the fediverse. But once it has it showed up and I
could follow it. And you my friend or a wizard.
Dave Jones: You want to get into that you want to go through it.
Yes, please,
Adam Curry: because it's progress this week.
Dave Jones: Let's see. I guess I'll start this by saying if you
want if you want to stressed if you're building anything,
activity, if you're building any sort of activity pub software,
job and you want to stress tested, just make a post and
reference an add an account. So like just make it you know,
account accounts on Mastodon lactase layer, activity, Council
and activity pub or are actors. So I'm just going to use that
term, you if you have an account, you are an actor. So my
like my actor on the fediverse is Dave at at is at Dave at
podcast, index dot social. So that's my actor, when I interact
with other servers, other accounts, anything else on the
fediverse that's who I am. So if you if you want to stress test
any of your software, just make a reference back to your
software as an actor, and you will get that you will get
slaughtered with traffic, like so I made the mistake of of
asking for some beta testers, you know, like, hey, things are
working, try to try to follow our show. So the way this is set
up right now is there's a server running this software, the
activity bits, let's just call it the podcast index. Podcasting
to activity pub bridge, let's just call it that. This software
is running on a server called AP activity pub dot podcast.
index.org. So that's the bridge. And basically, the bridge just
converts a podcast into an actor on demand. So if there's a
podcast that's never existed, that you want to follow in your
Mastodon or, or your plough Rome or whatever activity pub
software you use, if you want to follow that that that podcast
for now. Now, and this is something we need to discuss. So
we're gonna we'll get into this. For now the way that it works is
you the podcast index ID at a P dot podcast index.org. So our
podcast index ID for this show is 920666. So if you follow at
920666, at AP dot podcast index.org That is the actor, the
activity pub actor for this show. What that means is what's
happening behind the scenes when you do that. You're querying the
activity pub bridge for the actor, it gets the data from the
podcast index, and then hands it back to the bridge. The bridge
then gives it gives back the metadata about the show through
web finger appropriately, and then gives its Act gives its
full actor object back to the requesting server. So your act
your master that your private Mastodon server asked for this,
you asked for our show, or asked for Mofaz, whichever one it was
you're looking for, as remote facts. It gave back the data,
the profile data you said follow. So then your Mastodon
instance sent a request to the bridge to follow. Giving it your
actor ID and your private mastodons shared inbox, URL,
right? So we take that in so that under the covers activity
cloud bridge is using SQLite database. So there's a table in
their followers table here requested a follow. We wrote
that bread bridge sent verified all the data that had all made
sense and was sane, and then sent back an except
acknowledgement, saying yeah, cool. Now you're you're
following now and then inserted a record in the data in the
followers table for that show that you're following your
actor, your actor ID and your shared inbox URL. So now, the
activity pub bridge knows that if a show ever updates, you want
to be notified about it. In the cool one cool thing about
activity Pub is this. This notion of a shared inbox on a
server makes the trip lessens the traffic load. So if if 400
people on the podcast index does social Mastodon Follow Follow at
one show we don't have to post for highest in 400 posts every
time the show updates we just send it once to the shared inbox
URL and then podcasting is social sees that sees all the
followers and distributes it accordingly. So it it really is
very traffic efficient.
Adam Curry: One One quick note just to put slip in the tab.
When I followed mo fax with Adam curry on my own Mastodon, my
private Mastodon server he brought it up because I'm
federated so you know, it knew about it already. Because I had
already someone else already followed it to what it was
before I even follow that on podcasting next out social and
it brings it up but it doesn't bring up at least what it'd be
great if it brought up one episode. It brings
Dave Jones: it Okay, clean. This is a limitation of mastodon.
Okay, because Master is a mastodon. This is where we
talked about a couple of weeks into three weeks ago. inactivity
pub world there is this notion of an outbox, and the outbox is
everything you've ever posted. So if you go to the outbox, for
mo fax activity pub on the activity pub bridge, if you go
to the outbox, you'll see all the previous episodes as posts.
But Mastodon will not show you the outbox of a remote actor. It
will only show you the posts that it has previously they have
previously been sent to the shared inbox URL. So if it
doesn't have a cached copy of a post from that, doesn't that
show it won't it won't show you here's
Adam Curry: here's a weird question. Got the if i pod
pinged mo facts, right now, would that trigger that an
episode updating to the mastodon AP bridge?
Dave Jones: No. So okay, so this the interactions here took took
a lot took a lot of time for me to understand because it's not
intuitive. Imagine a clean Hedlund to describe this. Okay,
so imagine that your mastodons your private Mastodon server had
never followed the math demo facts show. Right? Nobody on the
on your server had ever done anything like
Adam Curry: I don't have to imagine it because that's true.
Dave Jones: Okay, all right. The Okay, so what should what
normally happens in that case is you follow it, initially the
profile will be blank. So when you pull it up, your Mastodon
server has no previous posts that it knows about, right. And
it will initially show that there's been disabled no show no
previous history, you have follow. And then that puts the
fact that puts the app puts mo facts into the database. Okay?
If nobody has ever followed that show before. Then what happens
is on the next cycle, which is every, every 60 seconds, it will
check the podcast index to see what the current latest episode
is. And if it finds one, if it grabs one, it will then post it
as a new post to
Adam Curry: your server. Okay, so an actual new episode has to
come out for that to happen. Right?
Dave Jones: Yeah. And so this and so you'll you will see the
next one got in when it when it posts going forward, the next
person on your server who follows that will see any posts
that they have accumulated. So you're now your Macedon server
going forward will begin to get those posts. Then when somebody
goes and looks at the profile profile, they'll see all that
previous stuff. It'll be like a filled in profile.
Adam Curry: Oh, so that will happen? Yes. It
Dave Jones: begins to fill things in as it goes. Ah, yeah,
it's a little it's a little aggravating because the outbox
thing is right there. It could in there are there there are.
There's a big thread on the GitHub issues for Mastodon with
people begging for them to backfill those outbox and
Adam Curry: yeah, because we never don't you click on the the
way that Mastodon works when you click on the go to what does it
go to this? What does it say here? For older posts from other
sort of poses, if you want browse more on the original
profile at the bottom, when you click that, it just gives you
like, code.
Dave Jones: Yeah, JSON? Yeah. I don't know if you see this in
ERIC PP, posted a link to the outbox thermofax. And if you if
you go and check that JSON out, what you'll see is all these
these are all the
Adam Curry: previous Yes, yes, yes, yes, I see it. Yeah, it
would be very easy for
Dave Jones: a mastodon server to just look at this and just pull
it and just pull it in, but they don't. So that is what it is the
thing you're talking about where it has, where you click on the
More, you know, more on this profile. So one thing that
Mastodon does, I don't know about other activity pub
servers, I think they probably do something similar. But for
sure Mastodon does this is it uses what's called the accept
header in HTTP request. So if I request a, if I request the
actor's URL, so in this case, podcast index dot social, slash,
C slash Dave, slash at Dave, then or user slash ad, Dave, I
can't remember, if I if I request that in the accept
header is set to activity slash JSON as the MIME type, I'm going
to get back my the JSON. If it's set to text HTML, I'm going to
get an HTML a nice, pretty HTML page. Okay. So I don't have the
HTML part of the bridge built. And I'm not sure that I'm even
going to because what I think may need to happen is those
requests probably need to get forwarded to the podcast index
website for an HTML request, like if you're wanting the HTML
of a show, just go it just put an end to end up on the website.
Right? Not in not in a weird other.
Adam Curry: I mean, you already have the web you already have
the website in there. I mean, you have I liked the joined I
like that field showing up. So the promo fax it shows Joe in
November 8 2023. Oh, that's just want to join okay. It has the
index page and has the website. Take Then from the, from the
feed and the podcast good. Yeah.
Dave Jones: And that you can put it you can tag put anything in
here that needs to be in here like, you can stack up. These
are just key value pairs. So if we want to put other stuff in
there we can. So
Adam Curry: what what I love about this, what is so logical
is I will now i will post my feed, update my feed. And then
I'll go to the mastodon and I will boost boost the post of
that episode and use that that URL as my base URL for comments.
For social interact for socially interact. Yes.
Dave Jones: Yeah, for sure. Yep. And, yeah, that you're you're,
you're, you're seeing, you're seeing what I'm thinking.
Adam Curry: Oh, totally. Totally seeing it.
Dave Jones: Okay, so. Yeah. So this is this is working well.
We've worked with Alex to make sure that it was going to did it
was everything was kosher with Pleroma. And so the program is
working, working as well. If anybody if anybody is using
other software besides Pleroma and Mastodon, check this out for
me and do and bug reports so that we can get these things
fixed. Most of the problems come down to JSON deserialization
problems.
Adam Curry: Yeah, I hate when that happens. The D
serialization always bites me in the ass. It
Dave Jones: does. It's an ass butter. So everything is
everything is just jaded. activitypub is just pushing JSON
around everywhere and, and the good thing about rust is it has
wonderful JSON deserialization module called SerDe. That is
amazing. And it's good, but you but it is it does take a lot of
fiddling to get these things correct. So we need to just make
sure that all of these things or all these different types of
software or are working are playing nice now. The thing that
the thing that we did I did last night and I was up late last
night till I when I know
Adam Curry: you kept restarting your stream or something's like
a million Dave's going live again. They are still not
sleeping. He's live again.
Dave Jones: I was so close this, this is this is interesting. You
know, we we talked, we went back and forth. A little bit about
this. JB 55 on noster. He's the guy that writes Domus. Yeah. And
he made a post or Serie A lot of lot of posts yesterday about
basically how Domus is, is just bleeding money. And this is
probably the end of the road for 2024 is probably gonna be the
last year for Dominus. At least for his development. Yeah, yeah,
yeah. Cuz it's just not. It's not financially sustainable.
Adam Curry: I did send him 100,000 Set zap and said,
consider this. Yeah, it was funny. He actually replied. He
said, I love that about no agenda. I'll consider it as
like, Please, man. All right.
Dave Jones: Well, so the the Nasus. See, another post that he
made that was interesting was that noster noster is from what
he said is about 10,000 users. And about 50% of those he
estimates our own dominance. Yeah, I would say that's
probably right. Yes, if Dominus disappears, 50% of nostre
disappears, and many of them probably will not come back.
They'll just Bell back to Twitter.
Adam Curry: You know, what's funny? Sorry to interrupt.
Dave Jones: No good.
Adam Curry: A lot of the development discussion about
noster happens on telegram that tells you something. Yeah,
that's interesting tells you something that is pretty
interesting.
Dave Jones: But then, but the reason I'm the only reason I'm
bringing this up is that last night, I saw him posting that he
was doing a whole bunch of stuff with nostrud DB, like a bunch of
like, low level. Oh, yeah, he's
Adam Curry: building a huge database to circumvent the whole
relay going away issue.
Dave Jones: And so and I was, it was interesting, because you're
like, in the one hand, you post, you know, this software is going
to die. I can't sustain it. But then you you spend hours
building low doing low level coding on this product that's,
this is aimed for the grave. And I think it's because, like, like
me, he's, he's addicted to interrup. Yeah, like, you know,
there's, this is a thing people get addicted to enter up, and
I'm one of those people So if I go back to if I go back to 25
year old Dave is the whole
Adam Curry: we're on a second hold on. If you're gonna if
you're gonna do that let's do it properly.
Dave Jones: Oh Tom machine here we go
Adam Curry: back in time to 24 year old Dave
Dave Jones: 24 year old Dave was messing around was deep into
assembly language and discovering the joy of
networking for the first time in the first time that you are able
to bring up a TCP socket and send a message from one computer
across the land to another computer and have it show up. I
mean like it's orgasmic I cannot explain the joy that you feel
when you see that you've you've got you get this one machine
playing by these rules and you've got another machine
playing by a common set of rules and you send it's like
teleporting you send something in through this side in it pops
out the wormhole on the other side
Adam Curry: that's like booster grams for me yeah same thing
it's like I can do it on this thing and it shows up over there
been a complete different thing and we didn't even know who we
are where we were
Dave Jones: that that was being addicted to interrup was what
created the internet it's It's why people like Dave Weiner got
so addicted to to internet technology is because it's it's
all it's just all an expression of of interop and it's so much
fun and even if you know that your product is basically doomed
you still you still you're doing it because you're addicted to do
that you're not addicted to the product you're addicted to the
experience of it and the experience of creating it so
like in this was what this is why I was up till at one o'clock
in the morning last night couldn't stop because we were I
was I was so close to getting
Adam Curry: Where are you are you are you back you're back in
the future now
Dave Jones: yes, I've traveled I've
Unknown: read from this day going back to the only America
first
Adam Curry: sorry I didn't expect it to be that I thought
it was a different time machine
Unknown: we're in a weird dimension that we go through
we're in a weird dimension now yeah
Dave Jones: we popped out so yeah, so if I was so close to
getting pod ping working
Adam Curry: I feel you I feel you because
Dave Jones: what we know obviously what you want the the
new episode posting that was working fine. You haven't you
posted new episode shows up as opposed on Mastodon or own
activity pub. No problem. Now it's not complete without live
right? I mean, if you if your podcast goes live you are the
one you really want to know about in one place you really
want to know about it is we want to know about it on your own
Mastodon of course on social media. So this required work,
right. The initial so the initial structure this what is
is working now.
Adam Curry: I love it. So I mean, you basically build the
world. You build the world's biggest podcast app.
Dave Jones: If it's automatic like that, that's pretty fun.
Yeah. Yeah, it's that's that's pretty funny. So if you if you
look on see if I can read this if I can to read to this. Yeah,
I just did. Okay. So on the podcast index dasa, so I just
reposted what I got when we went live earlier. Okay. And it's. So
the way it works is it's using for now it's using John
Spurlock's website, pod ping WebSocket. So, he has a
WebSocket where he publishes every pod ping event that
happens as it comes in. So I'm just the the activity pub bridge
is connecting to his WebSocket and then watching for pod pings.
When the pod pins come through, it looks for looks and sees if
it if it's got a reason code of live. If there's one that does
it sees if it, what it does is it takes that URL because
because bad things is usually URLs, takes that URL does a call
to the index to the live by a live by Feed URL endpoint. And
to end checks if the status is live, so
Adam Curry: what what is this account?
Dave Jones: So I know it's just add 9200666 at AP dot podcast
index.org.
Adam Curry: Oh, our show. Okay. Right. Yeah, I gotcha.
Dave Jones: And so the what? So if if I if it if it's live, if
it's got a live show that's going on right now, in relation
to the pod ping that is saw, it then sends out a new post, from
that account, to all its to all the followers saying, you know,
podcasting 2.0 Episode 161 is live now. And aniline to listen
to the live stream, at with album art. So that's, that's we
got that working. Got that working finally, this morning, a
little before, before I went to the office. And then Alex helped
me double check that the media attachments were working for the
album art. So then. So that's all working now. So basically,
the basics of the activity pub bridge are functional. It will
post new episodes, and it will post when, when for when it goes
live. Yes. So
Adam Curry: as I said, you just built the world's biggest
podcast app.
Dave Jones: He really did. Yeah, it's it's funny. It's like a
bunch of pieces. It's like a skeleton of an app. This
Adam Curry: Mastodon is an app. But now anybody can create an
app. And use activity pub, if I'm just following along here,
as as their connection to the index, thus, the hence the Fed
ification of the index. So you're not hitting our API
directly. But you're getting the same data for shows that are
subscribed to. Right.
Dave Jones: Right, you can say that it's kind of like, it's
kind of like pod paying in the sense that it becomes if you
follow shows this way. And this apps can follow shows as well as
people like if you follow shows in this way, it becomes push
instead of pool. Right? But
Adam Curry: pod pod ping and RSS feed are all published side.
Dave Jones: Right? Yes,
Adam Curry: I mean, that's, that's that's all I mean, and of
course, anybody can circumvent the index by using pod ping. At
least for those shows that you don't have to pull. But it makes
man my head is is like I almost want to open up a whole new
Mastodon private Mastodon, just for podcast now. Well, we didn't
hashtag it needs to have we need a hashtag to flow along with
this. So Oh, yes. Cool. So I can filter Yeah.
Dave Jones: What is the hashtag neat there. We've got the we've
got some some things to talk about. What what is the hashtag
need to be?
Adam Curry: Podcast? Hashtag podcast index?
Dave Jones: Well, maybe
Adam Curry: podcast bridge hashtag podcast bridge.
Dave Jones: Okay, that could work. We can always change it
later. If we've done it with someone else. Let me see if
that's something you can filter on. Yeah.
Adam Curry: Yeah, well, it's not being used that I can see off
course. Stuff that I've got.
Dave Jones: Well, so one of the things that I want to do and I
want your you know, I want you to give me your advice here is
that so right now, it just gives a link to the episode in which
is fine, but, you know, clearly, I feel like it needs to have
links to to the apps Yeah, it needs to have links to like me
know, pod verse podcast guru. You know, found fountain native
links. Yeah, native native links. So that's because people
don't
Adam Curry: we need shows Chiclets, Chiclets. What Sure.
Dave Jones: I mean, I think that needs to be on there because,
like, it's, if you're in a pinch, and you have to listen to
it, because all it's going to do right now is is gonna
Adam Curry: open up an mp3 file in a web browser. Sure.
Dave Jones: And that's kind of lame. I mean, like, No, you
don't you don't be You're going to lose that position. And it's
just not a good experience that something,
Adam Curry: this is something that you could set or configure
yourself so that it has those links that you want. I'm not
sure I'm just shooting around. I'm not sure if that's possible.
Dave Jones: Oh, yeah, I think it would be, I think it would be
possible via the interaction to get that set up would be a
little awkward. You'd have to interact with it as some sort of
bot, you know, where you send it, you know, hey, here's what I
want. And it's sort of records that in some way. I think it
would probably over time, we could figure that out. But I
guess I would ask that the app developers, send us the dog send
me documentation on how you generate your links. One
Adam Curry: other thing I'm just gonna mention real quick. album
art is not changing. For whatever reason,
Dave Jones: on what, so
Adam Curry: if you go to no agenda for 1504, but you can
just search no agenda, it's already in there. They have two
episodes. 1619 which is the one with Santa Claus with a naughty
and nice list. And then 1620, which had a different which also
has the Santa Claus and the the profile image is also still the
Santa Claus. And it should be a poop emoji with the recycle
arrows around it.
Dave Jones: Okay, so that's, let me see what
Adam Curry: you don't know if that's caching or
Dave Jones: it probably is. Yeah, the caching Mastodon
caches the hell out of everything. There, there might
that's probably I'll probably need to put that on the bug list
to figure out if there's a way to invalidate the cache and make
it pull a new one. Okay. Eric, PP says the bridge has the new
art. So it's it's Mastodon
Adam Curry: caching, okay, because yeah, I followed it on
my private server. And even though I don't have a post
there, because I just subscribed to it. It does have the new art
as the profile art.
Dave Jones: Okay, Nathan, Nathan says he has. He has some tricks
up his sleeve to get to fix that problem. Okay, cool. With
Portland, he's talking about the lanes. Can I just
Adam Curry: stop you for a second? Okay. Yeah, sure,
brother. What a great job you've done here. This is I'm so
excited by this. I too, am excited by interrupt. Because to
me, it's broadcasting. And I was like, Oh, look, another huge
radio just appeared. Look at this massive radio that now
everybody can follow my shows in. And they'll be notified,
they can click the alarm bell. It can pop up. There's, there's
apps for it. I mean, obviously, we have a way to go. But the the
I mean, even the notification system by itself is cool. And
the fact that the comments that the comments will show up under
these posts under the profile. That's sexy. That whole thing is
sexy. Thank you so much for putting that work in. Man.
That's great. And thank you to Alex and Spurlock and everybody
else who helped
Dave Jones: you. Yeah, that. Oh, thank you. Thank you, first of
all, and then, you know, think I think this is this is, uh, this
is the beginning of the end of the bridging thing that we
talked about. And this is, this is how we begin to decentralize.
And if, if apps begin to interact, here, I feel like
okay, so I feel like we need to, we need to exempt we need to
exemplify what it means to be able to in interop. So API's are
fine, but bring in a public bridging is activity Pub has
shown that it's better. I mean, it's it is better. It's, it's
broad,
Adam Curry: it's supported. Yes. It's battle tested. It's been
out there a long time. Luckily, we now know. Thanks to our
friends over there from the the right wing hackers. We know, we
know how to go past blocks. You see that article? You sent it to
me? Yeah. I love that.
Dave Jones: You just signed it with a different domain.
Adam Curry: Hilarious.
Dave Jones: So is this the code I will put live here in the next
couple of days. And it made me I mean, the public, I will make it
public in the repo. It's got a it's got a key only thing
keeping me from do it. Way. The only thing keeping me from doing
it is I was lazy. And I hard coded the podcast index API
tokens into the code, but just need to pull that out. Yeah, you
might want to pull that up. Yeah, pull that out, put it in
an environment variable and then we'll help I'll open it up and
people can go nuts. So here's here's the run your own bridge.
Adam Curry: here's the here's the immediate question I have.
So right now if I'm searching for a show, let me just I'll do
D. H unplugged. Home, you do that on the podcast index. Let
me see th, unplugged. So that doesn't show up. So in order to
get that I have to know, the index ID in order to add that,
you know, so it'll be at index ID at AP dot podcasts.
index.org. Is there? Is there an easier way more is? Do you have
you already architected in your mind? How do we fix that? How
can I search and get that ID if no one has followed it? It
hasn't fed ified? It hasn't flipped around for a bit. So
that's just it's not in the database anywhere.
Dave Jones: Yeah, and that's that's the biggest issue right
now. I haven't figured out Oh,
Adam Curry: I know. We I know how, okay, you surface a link on
on the index page.
Dave Jones: Oh, link to the account of the bridge account.
Yeah.
Adam Curry: So I can so I can search for it on podcast
index.org. And then just click the link and it'll take me where
it's copy link if I want. But just click the link and it will
take me to my Mastodon account, supposedly. And I just click
follow.
Dave Jones: As I've gone back and forth about this in my head,
because on the one hand, our shows account is 920666. I mean,
that's unintelligible nonsense. But on the other hand, if you
were to come up with some other means of, of naming the actor,
so let's just say that it was podcasting to podcasting to Oh,
at a pod dot podcast index.org that okay, that may work for us.
But what about shows with complex names? I mean, yes, a
show that like I mean, some of these like Spanish shows from
from Avox God that I mean, that's a paragraph in the show.
Adam Curry: Yeah, we're naming the show with with number that
was number five under the sea and stuff like that. That's no
good. I don't know how to get make that on my keyboard. Yeah,
no,
Dave Jones: I don't I don't have the antsy layout for this or
whatever this is.
Adam Curry: Well, it just, you know,
Dave Jones: I don't I don't know if it matters.
Adam Curry: I don't think I don't think it matters at all.
Honestly, I really don't. If you don't even know if you're slash
Dave were slash user slash Dave because no one thinks of it that
way. It's just I searched for Dave and I and a pop pops up a
bunch of Dave's and I click that Dave. Yeah. Now that's
interesting. If I do what I say when I search not just search
for no agenda up pops it actually takes a bit Dame
Jennifer animated no agenda Mike Miller no idea why and then it
says no agenda. And and if I hover it it says 401504 at apt
up podcast, they peed a podcast. index.org tells me what's inside
the can?
Dave Jones: The label? Yeah, yeah. Yeah, that's disenchanted.
Yeah. See what you mean about this? Just? Because the
invalidate I
Adam Curry: mean, we all have to Yeah, that's that's one thing.
But we all have to, I mean, shows will start to populate the
fediverse as people start to follow them. So we'd love to
build up my list, just for the experience just to see what it's
like and how that works in Dave's podcast app. And then, of
course, of course, I think having links to your favorite
podcast player is a must. I mean, absolutely. So to and I'm
pretty sure that for most of those apps, if I'm mobile, and I
hit it, it will open up the app. Or with the my Android, my
Android phone knows how to do that. My graphene OS says, oh,
it's pod verse. Okay, I'll open up the app, it knows how to do
that.
Dave Jones: Nathan's Nathan link to a GitHub repo, where he's got
a bunch of research on how to generate the different podcast
app links. Oh, cool. So I'll look into that he's gonna email
that to me. I'll look into that and see if I can't come up with
a quick way to do that. Right off the bat. And the you know,
the other thing is if it's video, like if I go if it's a no
agenda tube show and I and somebody you know, goes live
with video, then it needs to be able to open up in a way that
you can see it not just hear it clearly. So that, you know, it's
I think we're, I think we're the basics of what we're trying to
do are there there's a few question marks about what the
ideas need to be like you said, do that The packets index IDs
are what Nathan centers are the GU IDs, are they? You know, are
they some munging of the name who do knows? I mean, I think
all that's probably not that big of a deal. pretty squishy since
this is a bridge but other people. The other thing is that
of this as other people can run bridges if they want to, right.
So all this is this, the basic structure of this, of this code
is the same old framework that it runs hella pad and pod ping
dot cloud culture, it's the same.
Adam Curry: Love it. So that's, you know, there's my next
there's my next thing is, if I so choose, how do I get my
booster grams to show up under each episode?
Dave Jones: Yeah, okay. Well, that's, that's interesting.
That's,
Adam Curry: that's another bridge, right? I should be able
to bridge or my node to the, to an account or somehow forces,
whether I'm replying or whatever it is, I should be able to put
that under there. Well,
Dave Jones: that could be that could be something to put in the
helipad. It could be something in health. So. Right. So what
helipad could do is see the DPC the episode Yeah,
Adam Curry: it knows the account. It knows the episode
and say, Okay, well, I'm going to post the AP to the activity
pub. I'm going to post to that episode post these booster
grams. Yeah.
Dave Jones: So when so the way Okay, so the structure, that's
okay, let's talk about that for a second. The structure of a
status or what you know, as a toot. In Mastodon parlance, it's
a status in our note in activity pub world that has an ID as well
and the ID is just a URL that links to what the links directly
to the post. So as the permalink, the permalink and the
permalink for these takes the form of the apt up podcast
index.org/the actor, actors ID as a parameter, and the episodes
do ID as a parameter, right. So, if the episode good is coming
through in the T O V. Then helipad should be in other
software should be able to look at should be able to look at the
the feed ID in the episode Gu ID and construct what the post your
post what the post id is and then put in then do a reply in
reply to what's in inactivity pub parlance is called an in
reply to property. So you could just post the boost to Graham
and set that episode ID as the in reply to field and it should
show up as a reply. Under the thread where Brian post is the
parents
Adam Curry: are Eric, Eric p p already posted in the in the
boardroom. Yep, add a web hook thing to heli pad. Yeah, that's
the technical term. Exactly. That's what you just said a web
hook thing. To heavy pads. Man. I'm so excited by this.
Dave Jones: Yes, I think I mean, I think I think we're, I think
we're cooking here.
Adam Curry: One one question. So if more people run bridges, what
is the what is what is the advantage?
Dave Jones: And I just fruit The advantage for now is just
decentralization, you know,
Adam Curry: it's the same thing. You're, you're running a bridge.
Well explain to me
Dave Jones: Tell me what a muddy block is somebody blocks them?
Right now. moster is the only bridge that bridges activity
puck to noster. And if somebody blocks that bridge, you're
toast, you can't get any posts from one side to the other. But
if there's 15 different bridges, we just flipped to a different
bridge. So like, there's no there's no way to guarantee it.
Guarantee that nobody ever blocks any of them. Right?
Somebody could just be a cat and mouse game and just always be
blocking bridges. But those people
Adam Curry: hate all those people hate life who do that if
they if they will. If you're blocking podcast bridges, you
hate yourself. What are you doing?
Dave Jones: Yeah, you're Yes, Satan's helper. Like so if you
but if you could run your own bridge, and then keep it quiet
like you run your own private Mastodon, you could run your own
private bridge if you are so inclined for you and a group of
people course and you know, so the, it's just having that
software out there is having a software out there and the
ability to have multiple bridges. I think just gives a
little bit of it makes it it gives us It's
Adam Curry: so Nathan G asked correctly if there's multiple
bridges when a user search for mo facts get multiple results, I
guess the answer is yes. Yeah, for sure. By the end, you just
you subscribe to the bridge of your choice.
Dave Jones: It just like if you had just like if I have multiple
accounts, multiple ad Dave accounts on different yesterday,
they would show
Adam Curry: up. So you could always do your search will be mo
fax, AP, or podcasts index. And we'll probably parse through it
and find the right one or if I did want my own search, I'll do
mo fax Adams private bridge.
Dave Jones: Yeah, okay. Yeah.
Adam Curry: Yeah, we are cooking. We're cooking with
propane.
Unknown: sterno, baby sterno
Dave Jones: sterno. Is that like the camping thing? Yes. I
Adam Curry: love sir. No.
Dave Jones: Alcohol jelly is always turnover.
Adam Curry: Yeah, you can drink it. It's, then it's called
Thunderbird. Mad Dog. 20. Right. That's right.
Dave Jones: Okay, well, I think we're Yeah, I think that's
pretty much the basics. And wow. So the other the other thing
that I would like to happen with this, and I'm committing myself
to do this right now is in the near in the near future in in
January, at some point in January, I'm going to write a an
explainer and go through the basics of what the bridge is
doing. But with the aim of explaining activity pub, to
podcast developers, because it's actually an extremely simple
protocol. Like it, when you start when you went, if you get
started to get started with activity pub, what most people
do is Google around for the spec. And when you see the spec,
you're like, Oh, crap, because it's just, it's just a bunch of,
it just looks like nonsense. And it's like, you know, pages and
pages and pages of stuff. But if you boil it all down, the basics
are extremely simple. And really an an activity pub server can
own. You can write an activity pub server. And with only like,
three endpoints that deliver JSON that that's all you need.
So it's actually an extremely simple protocol and very easy to
to understand conceptually, if somebody explains it to you
correctly. Now, how I'm going to do that? How
Adam Curry: do the app devs there's something they even need
to think about? Is there reasons for them to start looking at
this? If so, what if not? And
Dave Jones: I think I think so. Yeah, I think so. Because,
because activity Pub is the open source. It's now settled, I'm
gonna say it is settled. Activity, pub is the king of
open source commenting protocols. And remember, we're
not on that chat, we're talking about, about, about commenting
and activity. And it's the it is the is the king of those
protocols. And it I think it makes a lot of sense for podcast
apps, to be able to pull in this data, that the data that's
happening around podcasts that their users listened to, in a
native way, so that they don't have to depend on sort of like
web views and all these weird things. So if they, if they
speak a little bit of activity pub natively, they can do some
really fun stuff. So I think that's what that's sort of my
goal with the explainer is to show how is to go through, go
through my go to the code of the bridge. And then just boil it
all down to a few simple ideas and share and hopefully get
arised juices flowing so they can interact.
Adam Curry: So let me let me let me squeeze your your creative
fruit. No. You're now Ainsley Costello then there's apps that
have your music. And how do you use this with activity pub
slash? Mastodon? How can you use this? Or what do you need extra
to build your community around your music?
Dave Jones: I think you have it. I mean, like you This is we
talked about this before where you had this idea where the
musicians are like, where do we send people? Like where do
people go to interact with Yeah, music is posted now. Now the
music it just it just posts itself.
Adam Curry: And so really like really you want your own
Mastodon server for eight bucks a month. Yeah, so you want to
send people to a mastodon dot Ainslie costello.com Then people
can you know and you met you have your your songs already
there right do you have your dog already pre pre loaded followed
every every followed everything so it all shows up and then you
show up underneath your song saying oh here's here's how I
made the song or I mean stuff like that okay okay
Dave Jones: yes definitely that or or somebody can grab the code
once I posted and create a music specific bridge Stop
Adam Curry: it even be not yet the codes not up yet slow down
slow down slow down
Dave Jones: yeah we get you music specific bridge wow where
it's artist focused for summary that who knows. I mean, that's
the thing is the gig. Yeah, we
Adam Curry: don't know. We don't know. But we don't know. All the
possibilities are out there. This is dynamite brother. This
is so cool. Thanks. This is it makes me excited about Mastodon
Yeah,
Dave Jones: Mastodon got boring. Yeah, makes it not boring. Yeah,
yeah.
Adam Curry: For bit for a bit here for a bit. Let's thanks
some people. I gotta get you out on time. We have rove ducks
here. 2222 from salty crayon. And he says hello boardroom what
an exciting 2023 was in the podcasting 2.0 universe. I went
from onboarding I am Texas slim, to creating my own V for V music
podcast, which is upbeats You gotta listen to it. All. Thanks,
everyone that is running with scissors that made this all
possible can't wait to see what we do in 2024. We're at the top
of the mountain and we're only halfway up. Happy New Year five
by five in the pipe and go podcast. 17,776 just came in
from blueberry. That's the pew pew you heard and Ainsley and I
are going to be reading through all the boosts and zaps from the
live concerts last week at 7pm Central tonight will be live and
lit on the BTS feed. I've also started chewing on some
potential gear for a show in Nashville so far. I've tracked
down possibly 62 intelligent lighting fixtures. Oh, wow.
Okay. Oh, I mentioned. So pod fest is coming up. And I believe
they will be streaming some things live. I have no idea
who's in charge of what or anything but I would love to
follow a pod fest feed. And I would I'm not going to go to the
conference. I would love to follow the I'd love to follow
that if there's something live and you know, I don't know
anyone feels like they want to jump in there. But these are the
types of things that we should be doing for our for our own for
our own community. And there's 10,000 SATs for music Mama.
Unknown: Oh, mama. Yes, I
Adam Curry: think I know who that is. Yeah, angels mom.
Dave Jones: And Julie Mom's got it go in.
Adam Curry: That you just made it creepy Dave. Oh, sorry.
Dave Jones: I meant Stacy's mom's. Okay. Thumbs up. We're
Adam Curry: talking my language. Yes. I asked the question for
you specifically music mama. We got circus media. Happy New
Year. Adam and Dave go podcasting. And we have Dred
Scott 4567 from Dred Scott. He just says head over there and
boost boost. And another one from Dred Scott 45678 45,000 I
think these days most of the
Unknown: blades on the Impala and
Adam Curry: let me see if we got anything else. Then I hit the
delimiter so over to you.
Dave Jones: Well, first of all the boys that rss.com
Adam Curry: Send us a night I got a nice email from a nice
email. The
Dave Jones: email included a Pay Pal of $2,024
Adam Curry: Holy crap
Unknown: Sakala 20 is Blaze Oh on the hem Paula
Adam Curry: it works better I can't do it that well. Anyway,
thank you. So that's that's a New Year's boost a New Year's
baller boost
Unknown: Are you record I am we can we can we go and get ya
boost. Boost boost.
Adam Curry: Thank you so much. Wow, guys, thank you. Note
Dave Jones: from Ben over there. He says hey, admin, Dave, we
want to wish you and all contributors have time, talent
and treasure. A very happy, successful and productive 2024
We're so excited for the future of podcasting is see so much
more to come over the horizon. Your friends@rss.com
Adam Curry: Thank you friends@rss.com. You guys are
great. I appreciate that so much. There it is. As I said, We
exist the whole thing is because of the decentralized nature of
the podcast hosting companies. That's your ecosystem. Again,
YouTube is evil. Yes,
Dave Jones: Satan's helper. We have We have booster grand. That
was our only pay pal. And it was a nice one. Thank you guys and
we have boost though. We have chyron for one to eight. Do the
podcast index, he says, listening to podcasts and 2.0
I've always felt like a security guard tuning into the boardroom
the next day on grainy black and white security cameras. What
shenanigans did they get up to the day before? Oh, Adam has
some as broken someone's app. And Dave must be sick because
everyone is keeping their distance was an absolute
pleasure to get the experience firsthand. Essential one of that
Merry Christmas to all and
Adam Curry: to all good night. Thank you. Kira. And we had a
good time. That was a fun episode. I like that it was it
was great to have you on and great to get your take was was
really nice.
Dave Jones: Sir Brian of London 101948 baller boost.
Unknown: Hello Bala Sakala 20 is
blades on the Impala
Dave Jones: through cast Matic he says Merry Christmas boost.
He's a Christmas Jew and wishing for a peaceful New Year of 2024
for the whole podcast in Tupelo family even when I mentioned
hive runs pod ping on noster that we find where you're
getting your gang tackled on the
Adam Curry: only the only guy where I'd say I hope you have no
fireworks on New Years.
Dave Jones: Amen to that. Yeah. Thanks, Brian. Appreciate you
buddy. Bad career advice. Chad satchel Richards 1111. He says
regarding social comments, this was an interesting conversation.
But it sounds like what was settled on was YouTube super
chats with SATs, but decentralized and no requirement
for a money transfer license. I think there is a recency bias on
the part of Adam with his growing tired tiredness of NAS
and social media in general. The problem was you get See, the
problem you get is when people want their interaction to be
stored as I was here in motion. I think there needs to be a
balance drive between user interface and user experience
and pod father sage vision.
Adam Curry: Absolutely. And let me just quantify that. So it's
no agenda social is just as gotten boring for me because
it's just like this game to troll me. And so when I go
there, it's not fun. It's like yeah, I can obviously a very
thick skin but it's like I'm not going if I want to see
interesting art I'm so I find myself going to the the live
server button more than anything just to see what other people
are posting, but I won't interact because if I interact,
then someone's gonna say something. And I'm okay with
trolling. But I like trolling in a chat room. And I want people
to troll as hard as they can against me. Because I go, it's
like there's only 20 lines and it scrolls off and I don't see
it anymore. And it's gone. So it can't hurt me. It can't come
back. It's like okay, you said something funny. It's and I can
handle it like that. And it's this the ephemeral versus that
it's there forever waiting for me to show up.
Dave Jones: Yeah. Versus the slow motion train wreck troll
that happens in a in a mastodon chat. Yeah, see? Yeah,
Adam Curry: that's all and of course, once I brought it up
now, you know, that was the cardinal mistake. Oh, now we're
gonna troll them all the time. He hates memes. Look, I've
created Adam curry meme account, Hagner tag you and every meme I
send. That's fun, and I don't want to be blocked and all the
time. You know, it's like, sometimes things are funny, but
people that's just the nature of this human nature. So, but to go
to an Ainsley Costello account where you know, there's people
talking about her music. Yeah. Yeah, I think that would be
that'd be great.
Dave Jones: That's this is a basically. Mastodon or any
social media. It's it's your mom. It's your parents house
when your parents are gone.
Adam Curry: Yeah, basically. Yes, exactly. I mean, so and I
would expect Ainsley to have her own Mastodon server, and if she
feels like there's someone out of control, she can take action.
Yeah, yeah, whatever she needs to do.
Dave Jones: Bad career advice chatter again. 1111 through
fountain he says regarding Karen's view of booster grams.
That is certainly one experience. The problem is that
you don't want to project your thoughts on how podcasts should
be experienced. Karen washes dishes never looked at the
player. Bet career advice Chad for the sake of this example
likes to burn his retinas with blue light staring at the same
podcast art. Both experiences should be a common as should be
accommodated. Else podcasting 2.0 takes the same tack as
noster and dictates the experience.
Adam Curry: You can argue with Ken No argument of course, of
course.
Dave Jones: Bad career advice jab me he's burning up the
airwaves, a 1111. He says that developers should be creating
the experience that they think their customers would like the
most popular will economically dominate podcasting 2.0 as he's
composed 2.0 is a protocol should allow developers to be
able to compete in an open marketplace. It does experience
it does. It does. Thank you for coming to my TED Talk.
Adam Curry: It does. Of course it does. I mean, yeah. And we've
seen lots of differentiators between apps I love I use
multiple apps for that very reason.
Dave Jones: This Oh, he says a few. A few more. Satchel
Richards he says, I'm going to drain my wallet 11111 at a time
shitposting listening to this episode. We saw you both Thank
you. Thank you.
Unknown: I saw him to believe me. I
Adam Curry: got helipad open 24/7
Dave Jones: see oh music mama 100,000 SATs Whoa.
Unknown: She be big baller music mom.
Dave Jones: It Truly Madly Deeply grateful boosting is
loving. Thank you music mama appreciate you. Thank
Adam Curry: you. We appreciate you. You You gave your baby girl
to us to to throw her into the RSS pool works and we gave her
back better than ever.
Dave Jones: That career advice chat again with a bachelor's she
says boosting one more time because Christmas. George
Orwell's road dogs 2222. He says Merry Christmas. Thank you,
George Orwell appreciate that. Cole McCormick sent 5492 through
fountain he says I need to share how I'm running with scissors in
this moment. I really want to build up the for the cinema. I
just posted my new little short film magic mushroom fun time.
Did you see that?
Adam Curry: Yes.
Unknown: Oh yes, I
Adam Curry: did that. Alex sent it to me. I was crazy and I love
that it just popped open and pod verse played right there.
Dave Jones: See I posted in my new short film, magic mushroom
fun time oh no agenda tube and giving my team splits. I was
heavily inspired by Fantasia. The whole movie is one homeless
Moses song with me dancing and seeing wild shapes and colors. A
combined V for V music, AI imaging traditional filmmaking
techniques and magic mushrooms. This comes from the purest place
in my heart please check it out if you have seven minutes. We
Adam Curry: do. Oh Phoebe's Phoebe is Andhra magic
mushrooms.
Dave Jones: Attack mode. Let's see CASP eland 3693 found and he
says no. Wait. No strolling sets. Oh, he
Adam Curry: must make me scream screaming
Dave Jones: no streaming sets on. Fountain. He says so many
typos on fountain one point x. I think I need to update my
profile. Cast. You're drunk. Yeah,
Adam Curry: that's right. You're drunk.
Unknown: That's That's it?
Adam Curry: You're drunk. Sorry.
Dave Jones: Forged fo 7777 Happy New Year. Well, Happy New Year.
Do you forge folk? Jean Benson is 2222 through cast Matic he
says Dave mark on the Linux matters podcast has been talking
about fortifying his static blog. And I think he may have
solved some of the same challenges you're talking about
here. Here's the show and Mark is any links me to them? Okay.
Well, thank you. Thanks, Jean. Appreciate that. Yeah, I'll
follow him on mastodon.
Adam Curry: A late entry from DS laughs 20,000 SATs love you too,
even though I don't understand most of the tech.
Dave Jones: Ernest, Ernest
Adam Curry: ball he's a V for V music artist. So he's he's here
for the ride. Yep, in the
Dave Jones: mushrooms. Comic Strip. Bugger. 10,000 SATs
through fountain that limiter he says Happy New Year 2020 for
podcasting 2.0 team but your audio be crisp your content
engaging in your subscribers multiplying faster than Tribbles
on the Starship Enterprise? Yo, CSB. Yo
Adam Curry: he's posting stuff now but he's that he's clearly
he's I saw him on podcast index dot social. He posted something
gave a rationale. He was like, this sucks. rationale, colons.
Now it's all chat GPT output.
Unknown: Come on, man. We see what's going on. We see what
you're doing.
Dave Jones: Every everything CSB says is in the form of a
syllogism.
Adam Curry: He's in Georgia, okay. He's important to us.
Dave Jones: Thank you CSB. He's clearly emerged from his
hibernation of December hibernate. Yeah. How
Adam Curry: did the I want to know how your test went? He was
he was doing a test he had like some big tests he had to study
for for AI certification or something. Let us know. The
Dave Jones: month Okay, monthlies, Jordan Dunnville $10
and dribs got $15. Michael Kimmerer $5.33 Pedro gan calvess
$5. And that's our group. Beautiful.
Adam Curry: Thank you all so much for another year in the
podcasting 2.0 value for value ecosystem, as someone say
ecosystem It's all value for value, you deliver your time,
your talent, your treasure, and we keep moving the project
forward. Thank you all so much for your input. And in this
case, for your booster Graham's people in the boardroom, and,
and for the code that you slaying and for the booths that
you're sending, we have such a great, great, great collection
of people that have come come to this project, it goes directly
towards the project. Everything is for the servers, keep
everything running, we keep all of the stats on the node. If you
need liquidity, let me know happy to help you out. Go to
podcast index.org. At the bottom you'll see two red donate
buttons. One is for your Fiat fun coupons. And as usual, I
will go one more time to check the other one which is for your
on chain member of you're going to send all those big Bitcoin to
us and nothing at all. So thank you for that. But of course, we
really want you to go to modern podcast apps.com and pick up one
of the apps that you can send us a boost with stream SATs not
just us but all of the almost 16,000 podcasts and now also
artists with songs that are part of the big podcasting 2.0
experience. Thank you all so much. We really appreciate it.
Dave Jones: Got you got to get to try out that. That ISO. Do
they see the asset says yes, that's a good one.
Adam Curry: Okay. Yes. I'm gonna see you got a couple more. Do
you mind if I check them all out for a second?
Unknown: run and run it run? 100% Yeah,
Adam Curry: I knew you were gonna do that one. Goodbye.
Goodbye is good. Good. Okay, I think I have a good one for the
end here. I'm gonna say that. Okay, but there's another one
that I missed one. You
Dave Jones: missed one you missed well. Oh, wow. All right.
Every surfer gun
Unknown: Wow. Wow. Man. Wow, baby.
Adam Curry: All right, Dave. Hey, brother. Have yourself a
great, great new year. We say in Holland in the old country say a
year change have a great year change sounds sounds better in
Dutch yard whistling
Dave Jones: Yes. Sounds more like you're going to the to the
audit. You know, it's like to get your tires.
Adam Curry: Have a great year change? Yeah, a year rotation.
There you go. Man. Thank you. I love you so much, brother. So
much fun to do this with you. I enjoy my Fridays. I really do. I
always look forward to Friday, always,
Dave Jones: always do get excited, especially when there's
something to share. That's good. Well,
Adam Curry: great job on this. I can't wait to see where this
goes. Wherever the whole group takes it. It's up to you guys
and gals. Happy New Year boardroom. Thank you for being
here for podcasting. 2.0 Episode 161 We'll be back in 2024 with
more of your very own podcasting 2.0.
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Dave Jones: Wow, it's orgasmic.