Adam Curry: podcasting 2.0 for February 16 2024, episode 167
Dec darlings Well Hello, we are back everybody. It's time once
again to find out what's going on with podcasting. Yes, this is
podcasting 2.0 the podcast that accompanies the project and
brings you the weekly board room that sometimes turns into a
dance party. Everything going on to podcast
index.org podcasting.org, the podcast namespace and of course,
all the happenings at podcast index dot social. I'm Adam curry
here in the heart of the Texas Hill Country and in Alabama, to
man who I love with all my heart despite his blatant cheating on
me say hello to my friend on the other end, ladies and gentlemen,
Mr. Dave Jones.
Dave Jones: Look, sweetheart, it was just it was it was a
meaningless thing. It was just a flame. You
Adam Curry: didn't really mean it. It happened. He's nothing
you were drunk you he means nothing to me.
Dave Jones: He was a one time it was it was a one time weakness.
I love you most I promise you I love you more.
Adam Curry: It was just sex. It wasn't love. You missed it, you
missed that.
Dave Jones: I was scraping around for it. I couldn't find
it. So we
Adam Curry: didn't have a board meeting last week. I turned it
into a dance party for an hour and a half, which actually I was
one of my favorite booster Graham balls. I don't know why
it just felt really it actually, I do know why because everybody
was kind of around and they were in the chat room. And sometimes
when I just do it sporadically, you know, not that many people
are able to show up. And I was like, okay, you know, this is
this is okay, you know, we're missing a boardroom. But then as
I'm listening around, I hear you on a Friday show on the pod
news.
Dave Jones: as guilty as charged, I was trying to keep it
from you because I wanted what I was hoping for is that we were
going to do or you know, do a board meeting. And when you
started to fire up show prep, you'd be like, what?
Adam Curry: That's pretty much what happened. Like, what if I
may say, you weren't quite good? You did a really good job. You
are you're a podcasting talent. I just have to say, You are
Dave Jones: the talent you are it was good. It's good. I will
say that doing a scripted show is much more difficult than I
thought it would be. It's that I'm so used. My first ever
podcast experience was was with you where we just rip it. I
mean, it's just like, you know, hit the button, go. I mean,
there's no, there's nothing, no net, there's no, there's no net.
And, and I've gotten so used to that where we're so freeform, I
can just do whatever that like having to keep in the back of my
mind that there's a script that we need to hit the highlight,
you know, okay, don't talk too long about this one thing
because we need to go into this next thing. And I'm trying to
find it on the sheet. And it was it was a little nerve wracking.
Can
Adam Curry: I ask you a few questions about the production?
Because I've always been interested? Yes, please. So
first of all, do you see each other on video? Or is it just
pure audio? Clean feet? Okay, clean feet. Excellent. Second,
do you hear the interview segments? Or are those skipped
over when you're recording?
Dave Jones: They're inserted later. Okay, so
Adam Curry: All right. So that? See? You kind of you kind of
missed the there's no responding to it really? After?
Dave Jones: I did. I was so through. Yeah. Right. So I
didn't know what was being said in the interview. So I wasn't
sure what to say. But But I did get like, maybe like the script
is really well. It's really well done. I mean, like it's Colorize
and everything are kind of gonna hit in
Adam Curry: an app or is it a is it a just a word doc? Or, like a
Google Docs? Okay. With colors with colors?
Dave Jones: Yeah, with colors. Yeah. and bright. My color was
purple. Yeah, so it was I mean, it was, it was it was well,
like, it was nicely put together to have something where other
people need to drop in and hat and just kind of follow along.
Like it only to the whole thing, the whole production,
everything. I mean, like it was only took like 45 minutes or an
hour of my time.
Adam Curry: Right. And did you did you re record anything or
just went straight through? Straight through? Okay. Well,
you were good, man. It was good. It's, it's, you're right. It's
often harder to I mean, we're just talking right? We're just
doing a board meeting by now. We're old hat at board meetings.
We can we can. In fact, we can be on your board. Anybody want
anybody out there wants to good guys on the board. Just let us
know.
Dave Jones: That's a good money making scheme. We could just do
other people's board meetings. Yes. That will run us there.
Looking forward? Well,
Adam Curry: we'll run it for you. Don't worry about it. So
good. Yeah.
Dave Jones: Give us a cut of your
Adam Curry: Yeah. There you go. Now, but it was good. It was fun
to hear you it was I don't know. I just liked it. That was nice.
I was listening today and James is by himself. I'm like, that
show doesn't work with just one person. It really needs to be
to.
Dave Jones: It's like new media show without Todd and
Adam Curry: I haven't even listened to this week's show
yet. Like,
Dave Jones: I thought he was back and I started fired it up
last night at at the gym. And I was like, in Rob started off. I
was like, Oh, no offense.
Adam Curry: Although I enjoyed thoroughly today, because when
James doesn't have someone else there to catch, it's good to
have someone to catch your mistakes. And about five times
he said, podcast to.org I'm like, that's not the website,
brother. That's not it. That's and someone else has it. I tried
to register right away. I'm like, oh, that can afford it.
Someone else has it already. So podcaster with podcasting.
to.org Thank you. Thank you, James Cridland. Thank you.
Daniel J. Lewis. What a great what a great website.
Dave Jones: Yeah, so it's it's classic Daniel J. Lewis.
Totally, totally like this. Yes, marketing is slickness. It's
very nice, very well done.
Adam Curry: And in great, great domain could do great domain
name. That
Dave Jones: he somehow they I don't know who whether it's him
or James came up with it. Maybe him I'm not sure but very, like
he was able to take a an unmarketable term like
podcasting. Yes. And, and make and salvage it into something.
Adam Curry: I mean, I actually sat there with my mouth open
going, I can't believe I missed that one. I can't, I can't
believe it. That's like that is a genius. Genius. Fine for the,
for the for the website of podcasting. 2.0 It's just great.
I'm very pleased. And and it's it's very similar. It's the
template that Daniel J. had showed us earlier. But it's just
makes so much more sense for him to be created in his own
environment, not trying to shoehorn it into the index
website. Great. Perfect is perfect. Very, very,
Dave Jones: very getting run it and not have not me have to
translate what he's doing into us. Yeah, it makes so much
sense. Exactly.
Adam Curry: Exactly. And, and this all happens at a time where
RSS just keeps on winning. I mean, we're getting tired of
winning, everybody is so much winning over here. And
Dave Jones: he'll remember football.
Adam Curry: You know, we've been away for 14 days. So we have a
couple things to catch up on but on Hill dosh who has been around
technology and blogging for as long as I can remember, wrote
this great blog post called wherever you get your podcasts.
It's a radical statement. And you know, this kind of comes at
the same time with Joe Rogan reappears on all of the apps
love that. Yeah, I mean that that really now on no agenda.
I'm just saying, hey, you know, you want to get a modern podcast
app a because all the other stuff is just legacy be Joe
Rogan's back again. So you can get it you can get your Rogen
with us. And you and your who's your daddy, or whatever that
shows.
Dave Jones: Call your daddy call your daddy quick and call her
daddy. I'm
Adam Curry: sorry. But also just in RSS in general. My
stepdaughters here she's 29. She's in Chicago government,
which really Oh, yeah. Interesting. Oh, she's
phenomenal. She she an older and older and she's worked she she
worked for an alderman previously. And now she's in
City Hall. And she's, she's doing important things. I always
say, I'm so happy that she's in there to destroy government from
the inside. I'm very, very pleased. Very pleased
Dave Jones: with Nick Offerman of Chicago.
Adam Curry: He's great. At what she's saying, yeah. Her fiance
said, Yeah, you know, he's, he's starting his blog, and he's
doing everything in HTML. We really love. You know, we're all
every every we the royal we so that's, you know, she's 29. He's
31. So let's say millennials, I think 29 is probably millennial.
Or maybe not, maybe they're Gen Z. Not sure doesn't matter.
Dave Jones: Good on her forgetting hitch before she hits
30. I mean, this is rare these days.
Adam Curry: And, you know, everyone's back with all talking
about doing blogs again. And of course, it hurts me when I hear
that they're reinventing the wheel like, oh, yeah, he's
coding it in HTML. So, you know, we actually kind of invented
stuff that makes it easy to blog. And, and, you know, so
they're also kind of rediscovering RSS and what
they're what I'm hearing is, where are the readers? Where are
the apps? You know where they are, what do you use for an app?
What do you use to to read your logs in so um, you know, it
seems like and I their Mac people, so I said, Oh, net
newswire hands down that that's what you want to go there. And
I'm really pleased, I'm very very pleased to see this and
it's it's a natural thing that just sick of social media the
sick of it
Dave Jones: they want long form content that they can just hang
out with in digest. I mean, I found myself wanting that I love
just articles, just reading articles, long form text, things
that you can just sort of like live with and digest rather than
this rapid fire scrolling or scrolling attack that you're
just having to defend your eyeballs from all the time. And
no, it feels good. This. This is actually you know, this actually
brings up an interesting point that was hit in the namespace
the other day. About about somebody who had proposed taking
the medium, the blog and newsletter mediums out. I
Adam Curry: saw that I saw that Yeah, yeah.
Dave Jones: And so this this is interesting because of the the
podcasting. This gets into what is the difference between like,
a podcast and a pot. What's it what's the difference in a
podcast and a podcast? Like podcasting quotes, right, and
podcast, lino literally in your thank you, Nathan, Nathan
LinkedIn in the in the chat. And the podcast became two o'clock
cast came to mean audio primarily video a little bit.
Yeah. Sometimes in and are distributed via RSS. But it's
not. That's not the real definition. A podcast is, is
content or media delivered in an enclosure over an RSS feed?
Adam Curry: That's my that's how I describe it. Yes. Yes.
Dave Jones: And that could be that could be a newsletter. It
could be a blog. Could be a PDF. Well,
Adam Curry: the HopStop. Blog typically would not be an
enclosure. Right?
Dave Jones: But it could be.
Adam Curry: It could, yes, yes. A PDF, a PDF blog posts. Yes.
Think
Dave Jones: of it. Like it could be in reverse, though. So like
you could have, for instance, a newsletter that's distributed as
a podcast. And the body of the content of the RSS content of
the item is the text is the text in the enclosure is the is the
spoken version of it. It's like a pod, we typically think of a
podcast as audio, and then you can attach a transcript. This is
like a transcript that you can attach audio. So in reverse,
like, it would still be a podcast. And so that's in it's
not in it's not, but it's just somebody's blog, or somebody's
newsletter. Like if you take your substack
Adam Curry: and you have an AI and AI read it and make that
into an mp3. Yeah. Forward Unfortunately, most podcast apps
is my experience don't show the description very well. So as an
example, podcast guru only gives you half the screen. Oddly, so
yeah, just scroll through this description.
Dave Jones: But yeah, they cut it off. I guess they can't have
a max carry. No, you can.
Adam Curry: You can scroll, you can scroll. It's just it
literally, if so if I open up like I had a lot with POD news.
So pod news, we'll talk about oh, there's a link in the in the
in the show notes. And James put the show notes in so then I have
to go I have to back out of the out of the Now Playing and then
open up the episode, but it still shows the album art up
top. And then the Description field is half the screen below.
That's that's not all of them. That's just podcast guru, which
I like a lot I've been using a lot. So it's not a great reader.
Let's put that I guess that's what I'm saying. It's not a
great read. Not all of them are great readers. Even though
technically you're right. You could reverse it and say that's
a podcast. I think you're stretching it a bit.
Dave Jones: And Emma Emma stretching it a bit. This is a
filler. It doesn't feel like I am it does. Okay. So this is the
here's this is in the context of, of medium. Yeah, by the way,
we've we've we've gotten into namespace without any
Adam Curry: without any vowels or anything. Yes, I mean, now
it's time for some hot name, space time. Take off your
shirts.
Dave Jones: Wiggle your toes and I weighed in. But this is in the
context of medium though so we're already sort of off off
the rails have
Adam Curry: the best with music obviously.
Dave Jones: Audiobooks, yeah, so these are these are going to
have to these really should be essay should let me I hate that
word. These really probably our best
Adam Curry: likely perhaps, somewhat
Dave Jones: like somewhat conceivably, what conceivably,
your human thesaurus we we were already in the realm of this is
likely a different app, you know what I mean? Oh,
Adam Curry: like yes, absolutely. And see how
everyone's retooling and, and it's in some of the apps it's
phenomenal I mean, but these things do take time for
everybody to kind of get up to speed and you know, like the
idea that you can save a save a song to a playlist I mean,
that's only a couple that do that now. I think guru pod verse
fountain I don't know if anyone else does it I'm sure curio
caster probably or maybe not, I don't know. You know, Elon beats
Elon beats so that's the kind of stuff that that we have to start
working on before we start adding blogs and newsletters
probably I don't know well,
Dave Jones: so the other day this this thing is this is a
thing that happened to me cool two weeks ago so my I have a
very my podcast consumption varies a lot I don't I don't
know how yours is but I'm I'm a typically at a have specific
shows that I hit on specific days I do so yes, of course
Adam Curry: that's part of that's why you always want to
release on the same day more or less the same time one of my
golden rules I know that you're
Dave Jones: you're right on top of my head on the media my hate
listen
Adam Curry: is pivot I'm on Mondays and Fridays I'm always
exalted
Dave Jones: Wednesdays just own the media
Adam Curry: well Wednesdays is new media show live which I
which of course I'm missing and on the media although on the
media I can look at the title and go nope
Dave Jones: I actually do that quite a bit. And
Adam Curry: media roundtable is another one that starts popping
up I'm like but those I decide based upon who's on it just one
person you know, I might skip those media
Dave Jones: roundtable needs a new pod needs a new intro.
Adam Curry: Oh my god. Awful. And don't isn't that part of
what those guys do? Don't they doesn't Oxford road actually do
music for commercials and stuff? That's what I thought. bugging
me too. Yeah,
Dave Jones: yeah. So anyway, I've got off track. So what
happened to me a couple of weeks ago was that my normal podcast
rotation is typically I don't listen to no agenda until after
this show. So Thursday's no agenda. I listened to us I
listened to for starting on Friday night. Right. So you're
fresh and because I'm fresh and fresh. I'm going in fresh
because I'm afraid of hearing of being tainted. In hearing you
say something on Thursdays no agenda that will influence our
discussion on Friday. Oh, wow. So because you mentioned
something about podcasting, I don't want to have preconceived
ideas. Right. So then also then on Saturdays, at typically
listen to America this week with Tybee and Walter Kern. Ah, so
that's it, because they were they dropped on Friday as well.
So I listened to that on Saturday. Well, I noticed a
couple of weeks ago that, that America this week just never
showed up on my podcast app row. Yeah. And I was like, Well, I
guess they took the week off or something like that. Well, I get
on. And I'm looking well, they did drop an episode. But I'm
like, Okay, is it my app? I mean, on the start looking at
all the apps, it's not in any of the apps. And so then there's a
lot of complaining on Twitter. So I'm trying to find out what's
Adela complaining on Twitter. Hey, it's not showing up in my
app. They messed it. Somehow they messed it up in the
enclosure was 404 ng Oh, yeah. And I don't do it. Yeah. So I
was like, Well, okay, how am I gonna listen, but but it was on
substack? Because it's a substack feed. So I had to
download the substack app.
Adam Curry: How would you Oh, we're gonna get a review of the
substack app experience.
Dave Jones: It's horrible. Yeah. The the so the way that you
listen to it in the app, is it's basically a link to a hidden
YouTube video. Oh, no. You have to keep if you turn off the
screen, it stopped stops playing Yeah, of course. Yes. So you
have to I have to start. Yeah, I see your heart breaking.
Adam Curry: There's a lot of complaining on Twitter BBB BBB.
Wait, we need to do that we need to do that properly. And we go,
this is how we do it.
Unknown: This is dropkick with a red dash alpha message in two
parts.
Adam Curry: There's complaining on Twitter.
Dave Jones: So, you have to start, you have to start the
episode. And then in order in order to keep the screen on, but
not accidentally touch the screen, which will stop the
video, you have to flip the your phone around Switch screen
facing away from you and stick it like in your pocket facing
outwards. Because sometimes the skin capacitive touch from your
skin will even go through your power.
Adam Curry: Oh, no. Oh, no. Yes.
Dave Jones: So this is horrible experience. And it will
frequently lose your place. It was a nightmare. So I'm
thinking, this is all a very roundabout way to say that. A, I
can envision a sub stack podcast as a sub stack style podcast
app, which will do essentially the same thing as the substack,
app, aggregate blogs and newsletters into it, but also
provide podcast functionality in a way. That's where they're
where they're married, you know what I mean? It's and it's still
a podcast. So in order, so having a podcast means having a
medium of newsletter, or medium of blog. Fit to me fits within
the ethos, because that's basically what sub stacks app is
doing, except is just doing a very poor job of it.
Adam Curry: I've thought about this a lot in the last couple of
weeks, and I come up with a different solution. What needs
to happen is there needs to be a podcast index of blogs with an
API that is open to developers that aggregates blog posts. And
now, we actually know how to do that. We've actually put we've
given the full format, the whole plan, the value for value, it's
all right there. You can even use some of the code that is
that is public some of the party times and all that stuff. I
don't think that's for us.
Dave Jones: I don't think it's for us either, because the
number of the number of podcasts is is dwarfed by the number of
blogs. Yes,
Adam Curry: yeah. And just the number of but but that's what's
missing, because that's why there's no blog search. There's
no way to implement subs. I mean, the minute apple. I've
told the story so many times in the past and doing some
interviews. And so I remind myself over and over again, what
really changed as we went from copy this RSS link, put it into
your subscribe box to Apple who came out with the subscribe on
iTunes, one click, boom, it worked on your iPhone or what
worked on your Mac initially. You know, there were
workarounds. But the idea that you had a an index where stuff
was indexed, where you could search where you could find
stuff where things were categorized, that's what's
missing from blogs. And, and I in talking to Tina, who does a
marketing professional loves Google Reader. I said, Well, how
would you subscribe to blogs? She said, Well, I just searched
for topic in Google Reader. You say so people weren't going to
blogs and saying, oh, I need to click on this and subscribe. No,
they were using Google Reader. That's the thing. That's what
needs to happen. It's a big job.
Dave Jones: Google Reader became the index of blog. It truly
Adam Curry: was the index of blogs. Yeah, it wasn't just the
reader part was one. I mean, what again, what's so nice to do
is index the blogs. You know, you can have pod paying would be
beautiful and beautiful. I mean, all of this was invented. This
was weblogs.com. Weiner had through what is it the what was
he had an ex RCP XML RCP I'm gonna RPC XML RPC RPC. That's
how you how you paint how you ping the web. blogs.com. And
then, you know, we had trackbacks I mean, all this
stuff is more events cloud RSS cloud. Exactly. And, you know,
in essence, that's a lot of what the freedom controller was
trying to do was to be a you know, a decentralized version of
that. And, but you know, I So, let's take it back to the name
Space. I am not so sure blog belongs and as a medium type
Dave Jones: hard disagree. Hard to I mean like if
Adam Curry: it has an enclosure and there's something in the
enclosure, then it can be a medium type equals blog. But it
is confusing. Go
Dave Jones: back to the example. Okay, go back to the example of
Matt Davies blog. He really is running a blog. He's he's he has
a blog on substack. And so his his blog, if you look at the RSS
feed that's coming off of his sub stack, it's mostly articles,
Text articles with no enclosures. But at least once a
week, sometimes twice a week. There is there will be a posts
indefinitely with America this week, but then all button
sprinkled in throughout the course of the week as his
articles get narrated by human they will drop in audio versions
of a previous article he's done over the from the past couple of
weeks. Okay, so you're getting enclosures on a regular basis.
They're just not every single item. Okay?
Adam Curry: I can live with that. If there's an audio
enclosure that is a that's like here's a podcast I listen to
regularly. So regularly, I can't remember the name of it. It's
the breakdown. And the breakdown is a couple times it may even be
almost every day. This guy Nathan key does about 15 minutes
of macro economics, heavy slant on Bitcoin Battlin but macro
economics. And on Sunday he does the Sunday read and the Sunday
read is where he reads one or two articles written by somebody
else. Totally blog post. So if his feed what is that? So I can
I can see where his feed would be typically podcast but then
from time to time it would say blog that would be appropriate
if it if it included the the audio version of that oh, those
articles
Dave Jones: that are that's sort of like a that was that podcast
Bitcoin audible where he just read an article each week.
Adam Curry: Yeah, that I'd yes, that idea. Whatever happened on
shows I still around? I don't
Dave Jones: know. I don't know if Yeah, but yeah, that that
makes, to me, it makes sense. If he had if you had a newsletter
that was primarily a newsletter, but they had audio. Yeah, or
video content that was just audio versions or video versions
of the newsletter that seems like it would fit as well.
Adam Curry: Okay, I think we can, can say that these are
staying in and we can move on the
Dave Jones: second, Dan, so
Adam Curry: moved, because I want to briefly discuss there's
some actually, let's talk about this first. We are so legit now
with the
Dave Jones: like the way this is starting
Adam Curry: so legit. Dutch broadcaster chiaro which I think
is you know, the Dutch broadcast spectrum. You know, all the
transmitters are shared by these organizations. And the
organization's historically are around politics and religion. So
this the Catholic radio organization, of course, they do
television and you know, the internet but that's historically
that's where that so the KR ro that's where they came from.
They did a huge scan of Dutch podcasts. And, you know, to find
out how many there were what's being discussed in and they even
say they used a supercomputer to do this.
Dave Jones: Is that recklessly required?
Adam Curry: Well, they said they said they use it,
Dave Jones: and they're using $5 monthly.
Adam Curry: That Well, here's what they did. They said the pot
I'm going to this is translated the podcast actually came from
the podcast index database. This organization is committed to a
more transparent podcast ecosystem and archives as many
new podcasts worldwide as possible. Currently about 4.3
million podcasts. PII specifically gathers the RSS
feeds the format in which podcasts are stored online. In
the PII database, you'll find the name description and address
of the RSS feed. And I just thought I just I was just
tickled by that that were legit.
Dave Jones: But when did they know that you're involved with
it? No, no, of course not. Because I mean, like, that's,
that's good that it came independent. There wasn't like
an Adam curry. No,
Adam Curry: no, not at all. Of course, people are sending it to
me like Yo, dude, look at it. You legit man you legit.
Dave Jones: You got mentioned
Adam Curry: briefly on the podcast industrial complex, the
singularly unhelpful phrase that I love propagating. Yes.
Dave Jones: Correct. Correct. And we say more than, say many
unhelpful things, not just that. We do. How do you at least have
the board meeting as unhelpful? Yes, correct.
Adam Curry: These iOS 17 changes have really screwed things up. I
mean, I learned, I learned so much just by listening to a
number of podcasts, but including some of the interviews
with the Podcast, the podcast weekly review. It when I hear
people talking about Well, the way we track is, you know, now
we have a funnel of what? A funnel? Yeah. Oh, yeah, it's the
it's the top line funnel to see, you know, what the actual, you
know, pixel based attribution, like. So some people have lost
up to half of their numbers. Companies have had to do make
good some in the millions of dollars. The the Oh, the, the
trust, the Trust has gone, I think, from from from the whole
system, it's like, oh, one change in Apple, it turns out,
you know, 30% of your numbers are bogus. And I was even more
shocked to learn that the metrics that are now going on is
a success is now seen as 0.5% of people who heard an ad are going
to the website that is pitched in the ad. That's pretty and the
conversion to someone purchasing something is 0.3.
Dave Jones: And crap, and that's worse than that's worse than the
typical open rate on a me mail newsletter.
Adam Curry: Oh, I mean, dude. I mean, no agenda gets, like 30%
open rate, which is, is unbelievable, unbelievably high.
So I'm just sitting there going, like, oh, my gosh, then I just
hear people talking gobbly gook. And they're just trying to come
up with ways to justify the the advertising. And yeah, I think
there's many ways you can justify advertising on on
podcast, but the numbers that I'm trying to keep within some
digital marketing metric system is not working anymore. It's
just seems like it's failed.
Dave Jones: I don't understand I will claim some level of
ignorance on on this with the Apple thing, because I thought
that my understanding of the, of the changes in iOS, was that if
you had a show, with lots with a huge back catalogue, that that
was where the biggest issue was, that what they changed, was it
it would not read, it would not download a bunch of old
episodes, if you started listening to a new episode.
Yeah, which was, but but then the NPR guy that James
interviewed, said that the daily shows only got hit by like 10%
decline in downloads, but that there are other shows where
like, 30%. Okay,
Adam Curry: so here's how I understand it. So if you and I
think it hits, regular shows, you know, like shows that are
daily or possibly once a week, or let's let's take Joe Rogan as
an example. So you would you subscribe to Joe Rogan? And you
look at, you know, the guests like now, no, no. And then three
days later, oh, yeah, this guy, I want to listen to that. You
click on and then the app would download those, those previous
episodes that you would skipped over. That's how I understand
it. That may be unhelpful, but that's how I understand it. So
that has now stopped. So it's not doing that anymore. And I
think you're right, that's my understand, and The Daily Show,
I truly believe as a product. And I'm even seeing some
articles about the daily show being the the truth, Savior of
the New York Times, although I think their puzzles are what
saves the New York Times. That's where all a lot of that money's
coming from is that people are interested and they they
listened to The Daily Show every single day. So maybe someone
skipped a day and then that one wouldn't get downloaded. And now
it doesn't get downloaded when you listen the next day. I think
that that's such a great product that people listen every single
day.
Dave Jones: Yeah, I guess you're right. Yeah, that makes more
sense. To me. It's like with like with POD News Daily or its
associates a short show. So you're probably just going to
run through it real quick. I mean, you're not going to skip
it very many times. Yeah, that makes sense. That makes sense. I
mean, it It's, it's amazing to me that it's amazing to me all
the different spins that are going on across the podcast
industrial complex to try to, to try to, you've got, you know,
the marketing people or the excuse me, the advertising based
podcast hosts like a cast that are saying we got, you know,
this is the this is it's bad, but it's not that bad. It's just
a one time hit. We're good. The trend to spin that and then
you've got the other people on the digital advertising side
like the sounds profitably people saying no, this is great.
Yeah.
Adam Curry: And if and if I'm, if I believe what I heard on the
last, from the last interview from this, I forget who the
woman's name was, who they their business is to do attribution
and numbers is that host read ads to the best. That's just
what we're so. So the whole programmatic thing which is
driven, which is a race to the bottom of CPMs. It just seems
like a huge, it seems antithetical to what podcasting
can deliver. And if you listen to Rogan, I still don't hear any
ads on the open RSS. I don't know why. But what if you listen
to the Spotify ads, it's Hey, everybody, I love this product.
And as Joe doing 10 of those in a row,
Dave Jones: which is we're all like pre rolls.
Adam Curry: No, not on Spotify. No, they they chop in every
every 10 minutes. Used to be pre rolls on his back in the day, he
would do eight minutes of pre rolls, which is not called a pre
roll. It's called segment one. Oh, okay. I guess Cluster One,
whatever.
Dave Jones: So, you know, my my thinking with with Rogan is that
it is that Spotify saw this. They saw this much earlier than
everybody else did, because they had the first party stats,
combined as an instance. And when they owned once they you
can sort of go back and say okay, what they did they did
these acquisitions of pod track. In these sites. Third party
trackers,
Adam Curry: do they bipod track? Yeah.
Dave Jones: There's a pod tracker pod.
Adam Curry: I think they
Dave Jones: know which, which third party prefix tracker did
they buy? They bought two of them. They bought two of them. I
thought it was pod track. Oh, Nathan says pod size. There you
go. In short, concise and charged. Right. Okay. All right.
So they bought pods? Thank you, Nathan, they bought pod size and
chargeable. And I think that they. So at that point, they had
a, they had a they had a view into RS open RSS downloads. And
then first party downloads on shows that were on both. So they
could look and see. Okay, first for show x. This is how it
performs in open RSS. And this is how it performs in Spotify.
And you can you can make some determinations there. About what
about what the weather the level of performance, you can do it
you could almost do a sanity check one to the other. If you
look and say okay, well, this show. Yeah, megaphone this right
this show get? It's like, I think what I'm trying to say is
that they could look at the they could look at edit podcasting,
and they could see that the numbers in the open RSS were
were inflated. Yeah, but their own numbers also, were not very
good.
Adam Curry: No, no, because they were only getting 30% of the
potential market. Except for Rogen maybe isn't the
Dave Jones: only way, the only way they could think. I think I
think the way they knew to move forward when everything crashed,
is to combine those two things and say, Okay, we're going to,
we're going to keep things on Spotify as sort of like, where
we want people to be. But then we also need to expand our so we
need to get both sets of numbers as big, we've got to go
everywhere to get the numbers as big as we can. But I think that
they saw early on that these numbers in the RSS feeds were
probably not as great as everybody thought they were. No
and that's why the that's why they cut loose a bunch of people
because they knew they were going to have they're just gonna
have to basically drop all the exclusives and go back as widely
as they can with RSS. And then just make the industry make the
deals with no guarantees at all because like we can't sustain
this obviously the numbers aren't there, but
Adam Curry: there's guarantees and you know, Joseph a buddy you
know, we haven't had dinner each other's we had dinner but not
each other's house so that doesn't qualify as a friend.
According to the Jhansi Dvorak metric I'm pretty sure that he
has a guarantee. And there's a potential, the potential. And
that guarantee maybe just for the video, I don't even know
that yet. We haven't seen anything else happen. But the
fact that he's not on megaphone tells me that there's just no
that there's no ads in the open RSS tells me that there's an
open ability to sell advertising outside of what has been
happening on Spotify. I think that's the exclusive just didn't
work for a whole bunch of reasons. But the main was, was
just no distribution that just don't have the distribution to
justify any of the prices, etc. And I don't think Joe cares, I
think he I don't even think he's gonna go and try and sell extra
ads. He may cut a separate deal with YouTube. And I don't have
no inside information on this. But it's just not in fact, he
said he wants to do another show with me. So when we're I'm going
to say Dude, can we do value for value for your show? I'm going
to pitch it to him. Because I think I think he would get a
kick out of it. Yeah, just for the fun of it just for the fun
of it, not for them not for the money but just for the fun of
it. And we'd have to hook them up with somebody with some big
channels though. I'm pretty sure
Dave Jones: any big channels, but anyway,
Adam Curry: so I don't want to be danced on anybody's grave
here but RSS just keeps winning. Well,
Dave Jones: I just think that it shows that I don't think Spotify
um hope okay, I'm hoping this is what I hope that that's the
example of Spotify over the from 2019 until today will keep
people from trying this in the future. Oh
Adam Curry: yeah. Oh, I think this this this fiasco, this
canard this billion dollar canard who canard? I like that.
Yes. I'm gonna write down billion dollar canard, which is
a duck, by the way.
Dave Jones: Oh, is it? Yeah.
Adam Curry: Yeah. It's French for duck. It's malarkey. This
malarkey will go down in the business books as as a huge
mistake and not to be repeated. And it goes right up there with
Terry Semel, coming into Yahoo thinking he could turn that into
an entertainment company. You know, it was it was a great
thing to do when the money was free. That's what it was great
for, and the money is no longer free. And, you know, I think
there's there's definitely a place for advertising and
podcasting. I truly have always believed in the, what is
categorized as host read ads, but I think that you can
certainly, I mean, it's not something I want to live by.
Because, you know, we saw it with the, with the the was the
tech show, the Marco tech show, accidental tech, accidental
tech, where you lose your big sponsor, everyone goes hungry
and starts freaking out. You know. And as a man, I just want
to hear people only talking about their clients. And you
know, oh, my client this Yeah, my clients have been with me for
10 years, they'll keep advertising. Who is your client?
I mean, aren't you doing this for your audience? Well,
Dave Jones: I mean, hey, look, look at look at Jupiter
broadcasting what they're doing. I mean, he they are, they are
living the Wii for Wii. Yeah. Big Sauron. Yeah, I mean, like
they are made, trying to make that work as hard as they can.
They're trying to flip the switch and transition. I mean,
like, I've got so much respect for those guys trying. They put
their money where their mouth is literally shirt. That's your
dough. Yes. Yeah. I mean, I just think like, I guess the last
thing I'll say about Spotify in the in the Rogen thing is I just
don't think that they I think that Spotify, I would not be
surprised if Rogan is a significant part of Spotify, not
just their podcasting strategy, but Spotify as a company if they
lost him and I'm not so sure what the future looks like for
Spotify as an entire company
Adam Curry: by the same as it's ever been losing money because
the publishers and record companies screw him on the on
the right this there's no way for them to make money. It's
never been a winning formula, because they do not control the
content. And they tried to control the content, overspent
over over promised and thought that they could create hits you
can't create hits and you can't monetize the network. You can't
create hits in an RSS environment. It's it's value for
value that it's it's it's just foolish to think that unless you
control the distribution, and no one else can get into your
distribution stream that the you can be number one in anything.
We're number one in podcasting 2.0 podcasts. Yes, yes. Right.
We're number one in our little category over here and the
audience, who are most of who are in the boardroom right now.
They support us. And that's why it keeps going on now. Is there
a project attached to it? Yeah, that's all a part of it. But the
same goes for an author, or for a journalist. It's all part of
the same thing. You can be the winner of your community. And
you can spell community without unity people.
Dave Jones: No. You know what? I like this. You mentioned
something a while back. You mentioned some A while back, you
said watch the use of what's coming out of this has been like
six weeks ago. He said, Watch what's coming next is
predictable. Based on the previous cycle. It'd be branded
podcasts. And I just saw a thing this morning about how branded
podcasts are making a comeback. Yeah. And and also they like on
the economic cycle, come back train. Oh, we're seeing we're
seeing this, this little gem, come back the EBIT, da EBIT, da
positive. I love this. Everybody's doing this now,
where everybody's EBIT da positive. It's like if
Adam Curry: we just explained because I think it gets it's
just it's glossed over. It's an acronym EBIT, da, which means
earnings before interest, which means interest you have to pay
on any outstanding loans. Taxes, hmm, G. There's one,
depreciation, and amortization, which is every everything, it's
everything except your employees and your cost of goods. Yeah,
Dave Jones: it's basically, here's my assets and liabilities
sheet. But what if all the liabilities were
Adam Curry: gone? It's like inflation is only one point,
core inflation is only 1.5%. What is core inflation? Well, it
takes out the cost of energy and food. Oh, okay.
Unknown: Which is everything? Which
Adam Curry: is, most people need those two things. So it's
Dave Jones: like those people that train Have you seen these
neighborhoods where you'll have one dude that paints his
driveway green? No, in like, it'll be like, they'll paint
their driveway green to try to somehow match the grass. No, I
have, like some sort of illusion, where maybe this is
just a redneck thing here in this. But it's like, are you
trying to trick us? What is what exactly are you trying to do
here? Are you trying to make us think that you don't have a
driveway? That is just like your grass? Because I can see your
driveway and it just looks super weird because it's green? And
like, I mean, it's that kind of thing. It's like, what exactly
are you trying to do here? Because you're saying that we
were profitable. But then you also say in the next sentence,
we had, you know, a $10 million loss. Yeah,
Adam Curry: exactly. Okay. Exactly. Yeah. So switching
gears for a moment. dovie Das. getting on my nerves, Dobie das
about making new things by making cool crap every single
day. Have you seen the RSS music charts? He just released?
Dave Jones: A just released it. I have not seen it. Let me pull
it up RSS
Adam Curry: blue.com/top. So somehow, and I've asked him, let
me see if he answered my question. He has darling. Oh,
wait, yes, he has Hold on a second. He has. So RSS
blue.com/top. So he queries the index crawls feeds to produce
stats. He says I get lots of ugly I have lots of ugly SQL
queries, and spaghetti code. And so the deck darlings, which I
like as a term, I'm not quite sure where it comes from. So
these are most widely played by value for value DJs in the last
60 days, you click on it. And boom. There's a list of every
single show that has played the song which is of course
clickable by let me see by episode and by by show. You can
play the song right there, obviously, then you have paid a
picks. I'm liking the alliteration brother. greatest
number of listener payments in the last seven days. Which is
just I mean, and again, it shows No, that doesn't click on that.
You can just play it. And then Pathfinders which is the ranking
of podcasts based on first time plays of tracks. In the deck
darlings. Yes. And so whoever played it first, and the amount
of payday picks. Now I like this chart the most because I'm
number one. So that's a great chart. But then, within a show,
I mean, I would like to replace our own chart with this. This is
this is so good.
Dave Jones: Yeah, we don't I mean, we suck compared to this.
Please. Much better. Oh, goodness. Thank you. Thank you.
Oh,
Adam Curry: I love you, brother. You know that but I don't have
to. I'm not telling you something new here. This this
kicks our
Dave Jones: ass. Oh, it Oh, but yeah, not even question. I mean,
I absolutely
Adam Curry: I would do you mind if I just shut all top podcast
index dot top over to this. I
Dave Jones: don't mind that at all. Now. Now a wouldn't need to
know information here. Nobody does.
Adam Curry: And I've checked it. I'm like, man, like he's missing
something. It's got to be something that he's not. He even
picked up a curry in the keeper playing a track which we bet
rarely do. So he's crawling the index. Jimmy V.
Dave Jones: Radio V with Jimmy V. No, no.
Adam Curry: We're not. We're not it's no wonder if you go to deck
darlings. And let's see if you go to let me see. For number 22
For those without a prayer, Jimmy V. Because he has a
tracker in the keeper January 31. That impressed me that
impressed me.
Dave Jones: Okay, I don't understand. He says he's
crawling the index
Adam Curry: looking for looking for value time splits. I mean,
we could probably help them by just giving him an API to hit
that with or something like that.
Dave Jones: It's a bunch of this information is already in
podcast says podcast index dot top is an HTML HTML chart. But
it's also it's also got other formats. It's got a JSON format
and
Adam Curry: he may he may be picking stuff up from there. I
don't know. That's that's absolutely possible.
Dave Jones: I need information
Adam Curry: when you didn't provide me an info when needed.
But but it looks pretty again, Dave I Love You know, I know you
don't I know you don't have a problem with my with my fawning
over this because No, it's just so good. This and it's
discovery. That's what I love about it. You know, you go to
the the deck darlings and you click on Abby Muir. And boom,
there's a whole bunch of shows I can start to follow. This is
great. Yes,
Dave Jones: I agree. I mind redirect podcast index dot top
to this.
Adam Curry: It's mind boggling. mind bogglingly good. I'm so
happy he's doing this. Stop doing good things. Stop.
Dave Jones: You're enough too much of our time.
Adam Curry: Which kind of leads me into the V four v license for
remote items and such and such.
Dave Jones: What's your problem? That's the license stuff is
hurts my brain.
Adam Curry: I'm gonna make it real simple. I'm gonna give my
opinion when you have to say anything if you don't want to.
Okay. And I think my my opinion has had some impact. I'm just
one GitHub conversations or discussions get really long. I
also check out I'm like, I can't help it anymore. And you know,
when people are posting like sam se like, oh, wait, we're
implementing the license. Like what? Okay. I didn't know is
done yet. Yeah, that stuff. Then I'm checking out and I'm like,
Okay, I've had many offline conversations. I've had some
multi hour conversations with the Costello's who are lovingly
shepherding this whole project, remember, they have phantom
power music.io They have a company now and they're, they
want to help artists onboard into the ecosystem. And you
know, they're charging, you know, $5 which basically goes to
our hosting a month and and I think 5% of of SAT so what a
great deal for an artist if you're new and you want someone
to shepherd you through this, and they're also doing promo.
They know all the all the players. So they're saying, Hey,
look at this. This is a new song, which is helpful. The main
thing I want is, and I'm only focused on one part, I'm only
focused on remote items. I think it's valid, that we have a code
that's why licenses exist. If I'm going to use someone else's
pot Cast material and I say podcast material specifically,
because it's just an mp3 enclosed in an RSS feed. It's a
podcast. If I'm going to use someone's podcast as a remote
item in my podcast, I think it's very fair. They have some
agreement, they they want me to, you know, virtual handshake like
an EULA. It's like, Hey, if you put this into your feed, here's
the parameters. And one of those parameters, which I also feel is
fair, is we I would like a minimum of split. And what I've
said is, it should just be across the board minimum 50,
because it's equal 5050. I don't know if that's going to happen
or not. I hope I don't have to go looking every single time to
see what it is. But I have no problem with that. I think it's
good. I think it should be, I wouldn't mind how I will put
that I will use that license for my podcast, if it's, you know,
if someone wants to use a piece of my podcast in their podcast,
and my minimum will be zero. You can do whatever you want. But I
should, I should have some say in some ownership over it.
Because it was started as a music license. We devolved
somewhat into a conversation about a maximum that can be
charged by an app. And I think that needs to be struck and
taken out right away. We've got to stop with that nonsense.
Dave Jones: This is the problem that immediately the problem I
had, that's just not that's not that it is not. It is
antithetical to what podcasting it at its core is.
Adam Curry: And the argument, which is incorrect, is, well, we
don't want this to be out there. And some movie company can come
along and take my music and put it in their movie, hey, you have
a copyright. Regardless, if no one signed an agreement with
you, you can sue the movie company out of existence. So you
don't have to worry about that kind of stuff. But when we start
thinking, like Spotify, and Apple and Amazon music, when we
start thinking that way, we'll never get to the end.
Dave Jones: I want to I'm sorry to use this term. I don't want
to, but I'm not sure exactly how to else to say it. That gets my
feeling across. But when you start shitting on apps, like
that's, that's what things that's where we've always been
within podcasting. App developers always get the short
end of the stick, and they always get treated, they get
treated poorly, as if they're just tools in for other people
to make money. And I don't, I'm not, I don't think that anybody
here is thinking that way. That's not what I'm implying.
I'm just I'm just saying that. That's the that's traditionally
always been the problem in podcasting, is that podcast, app
developers really get left out of everything, and they just get
treated like, we know, like middlemen, you know, hey, do
this, do that do this. And, and it's really been the, it's
really been podcasting. 2.0 putting feet and putting the
putting the respect back on apps that they deserve as the as
literally the critical piece of the chain of getting content to
somebody's ears. Without them there. Without radios, there are
no radio, there are no radio stations. And yes, that's what
happens here. So we have to treat the apps. With respect, if
this is a self policing issue, if some app goes off the rails
and starts and starts charging 50% Number one, that everybody's
gonna know immediately. There's a lot of transparency and all of
this, everybody's gonna see it, it's gonna become a discussion
topic. And podcasters themselves, will then begin to
express what they feel about that and how that's happening.
And like, hey, I want you to use a different app. This this app
is making. Well,
Adam Curry: we I even saw part of the discussion go into well,
can we use the block tag so that an app that is charging too much
then can be blocked from using it and like, Whoa, we're in the
weeds people were way off base, we're way off base. And, you
know, I stopped doing the daily source code because I was
playing licensed music and I know that I'm not going to go to
jail. But I know that a record label can come along and say
take that whole thing down. Which would mean I either have
have to edit it out. Or take the whole episode down. And as also
was not fair because I wasn't paying anything. So there was
no, there was no actual mechanism for me to pay for the
content that I was using no agenda. You know, we have end of
show mixes, which our end of show for a reason. One, they are
always in context of the news and the show and mockery, satire
and education. So when they are cover versions, there is a fair
use clause that we believe we can defend. If not, I can chop
off the end of the show, I don't have to kill the whole show. But
even clips inside, if we're not commenting or doing something
for those clips, a news organization could come along
and say, Hey, you're basically just using our stuff to make
money. So so the fair fair use is something that is poorly
defined in all law, but it's clearly defined but poorly
understood, maybe that's a better way to put it. But now
we're, we just have to let go of the idea that one day when I'm
famous, I want everyone else to go pound sand, because that's
really what's being said here. That's really what's being said
is, if I get bought by a big label, and they buy my catalog,
and it's the same for Joe Rogan, Joe Rogan got he was his
catalogue was licensed by Spotify, he had to, he was
allowed to keep 100 episodes and do whatever he wanted to do with
them, which granted, were a few that Spotify didn't want anyway.
And then when that deal ended, he got all of his episodes back,
and now they're back in his feed. So you can take your feet
away with your music, or whatever your podcast content
is, whenever you want. And I'm not, I'm actually not that
adverse to well, if I make it big, I have the right to come
back and say, you've got to take that out of out of your show,
I'm actually okay with it. Because I think the times that
will happen will be very few in my lifetime. But to tell me that
I have to speak positively, when I use your podcast content now,
you can't tell me what to say. Because that's, that's also in
this initial or was in this initial license. So we just have
to say this is a podcast, I'm not viewing it as music, I'm
viewing it as content, I'm linking to it, I'm linking to
your remote splits, I want to have a piece, I will never go
below 50. But I always keep it at 90. When I'm when I'm when
I'm playing your stuff, because I love you. It's all based on
love. It's all based on an openness and sharing. And so I
understand why people want a license. But we have to keep it
within the realm of remote items. Everything else is never
going to see the light of day, the apps won't do it. No one
wants it well, one or two may. But it's just it's an endless
discussion on GitHub. It will go on forever. And I really, really
want to move it along.
Dave Jones: It is and really all that matters. This is the thing
you got to get your head around in podcasting, podcasting is a
different animal. Podcasting is like the open web. What all that
matters is what the apps are willing to do. And they're just
not going to play ball.
Adam Curry: And if we truly believe in what we're doing,
already, almost every artists who has come to the value verse
has said, I've made more money than I ever made on X, Y and Z.
Right? Build the value verse. Stop thinking about the other
side, stop it is it's just it's not worth it. The chances you're
going to get picked. And I know I can see every single I hear
the artists, they love it, they think is great. But they're all
hoping that this will spring them to the big time. And it
might happen. It might happen for one or two. Unlikely let's
just be honest. It's unlikely.
Dave Jones: It's unlikely.
Adam Curry: So you can do a couple of things. I saw Ainsley
Costello do a do a show, which streamed live and was very
profitable for her and the organization and the apps and
the people who were a part of it head down to the lighting
director. It was a beautiful thing. By the way. I think
there's a big live stream event happening this weekend again, I
think with the herbivores,
Dave Jones: herbivores still tucked in on the deck darlings.
Adam Curry: Yes, of course. So. So we're building something new.
And I hope people view it as something new and not just a
springboard because you're just going to be disappointed.
Dave Jones: And it's not just a day a free version of the same
old thing it really is completely new. Yeah. And you
have to think you have to give it the sort of like the sort of
philosophical respect of being a new thing. Yeah. I mean that
that kind of I don't I don't know if we want to get into this
necessarily I mean it kind of fits where we're going here but
Adam Curry: you want to talk about fees
Dave Jones: the fee
Adam Curry: and yeah, no, no, we have to play a song first then
we can talk about we need to cleanse our palate.
Dave Jones: Okay. All right. Let
Adam Curry: me let me let me check the let me check the RSS
chart for a second let me see where's this? Checking the deck
darlings? Yeah, and well the deck let me see if it's on the
deck darlings oh yes it's number 20 on the deck darlings in the
payday pics it's top of the list yeah baby I played this one on
boosted grand ball and almost freaked out how good distance I
know you'll like it Dave want to hear some strings bending listen
to rebel hero money not misery all about the money to get
Unknown: out from all the holes in your market making you greedy
you loving MTS?
going down and free
don't take it away
Adam Curry: Well wasn't lion
Dave Jones: that's that gives me a lot of like extreme vibes.
Adam Curry: Oh yeah from all kinds of 70s bands. It's got all
kinds of stuff in there.
Dave Jones: Yeah, I dig it man. That's cool. Yeah.
Adam Curry: Someone said someone boosted who boosted boosted
forest.
Dave Jones: Did you say that you did you say you played that on
booster grand ball. Oh, I did because I do not see that in the
list of where it was played on.
Adam Curry: Oh boy. Oh boy. There we go that up. You're
right. It should be the February 9 edition. Oh, do you know what
I play? Did I play that one? Wait, no trouble is I didn't
play trouble. I played this one. Let me
Dave Jones: see its own pathfinders. It shows up under
booster grand ball.
Adam Curry: But rebel hero is not on the deck, darlings. I
don't think it's not. There's only trouble is on the deck,
darlings. I'm sorry. This song is not on the deck. Yeah, that's
trouble. It's a different track which goes Let me see that. Let
me see what that sounds like. I don't think I played that. Me
very different. Oh, it's the door. Okay. Yeah, so but it will
show up now. It's yeah, it's on the paid a picks but they don't
there's no list there. Okay. Do
Dave Jones: we show up on the pathfinders? We do not we're
laying man.
Adam Curry: No, we're not in the top. 20 Now we also this is the
last No. Interesting. It's
Dave Jones: nice to see him blueberry number one number two
move. Oh, yeah.
Adam Curry: Well, plays a lot and phantom power music our
Yeah.
Dave Jones: Yeah. Breaking tracks. Yeah.
Adam Curry: That's fantastic. I love it. I love it. So now we
can talk briefly about fees now that our palette has been
cleanse we've heard about
Dave Jones: I don't want to I don't want to. I don't I don't
wanna talk about fees. Okay. It's gonna make me grumpy. All
right,
Adam Curry: how about this?
Dave Jones: We should talk about fate. So we're gonna have we'll
have Oscar on the show in two weeks.
Adam Curry: Okay, so we'll have a crappy show, then. Are you are
you excited? Oscar?
Dave Jones: Because we, if we, if we do this, we're gonna have
to play the math, jingle and all this kind of stuff. And we've,
um, it's gonna make me grumpy.
Adam Curry: I don't want you grumpy. I don't want you grumpy
brother.
Dave Jones: I'd rather talk about the house. I'll just
Adam Curry: give you a little fun one. Okay, Ford Sync. Are
you familiar with the Ford SYNC product?
Dave Jones: This is Is this the old thing that used to be in
their cars where it would? Yes, like let you sync your music and
all that.
Adam Curry: Well, it allows you to see album art on your screen.
Yeah, yeah, it crashes on emojis and chapters. Just just letting
everybody know. Oh, really? That's not good. Yeah. is not
good. If there's an emoji in a chapter then Ford SYNC reboots
or something. It's bad.
Dave Jones: Oh, yeah. Eric's right. It's Microsoft's Thank
you.
Adam Curry: That makes sense. That
Dave Jones: these unit is a Unicode. I
Adam Curry: put a link to Chad f did a whole but deed clipped a
whole bunch of value for value testimonials. He did a I think
it's on fountain yes on fountain. And he put a whole
bunch in there. It's really good. It's a link if anyone
wants some value for value testimonials. There's GGS in
there and a light bulb moment that we had apparently, episode
so really I episode 79. What is that? Oh, I want to have a
listen to longtime again. See what that was? See what we were
talking about a second.
Dave Jones: Now that I'm thinking about this. This is
actually an interesting part of value for value as it's
implemented in apps in the podcasting 2.0 apps. I just
remembered a light bulb moment. Oh, let's
Adam Curry: listen to your lit all
Dave Jones: lit I'll get the live tag. The the other eye ways
of monetizing like Patreon and stuff involve you having to tell
your audience that is there. Because they need because
otherwise they would not know. But the podcasting 2.0 apps
surface the boost button on the page where the when it sees an
ad a podcast that is value enabled.
Adam Curry: Day we're on drugs.
Dave Jones: What is wrong with me?
Adam Curry: Well, this was it wasn't like it was the friction
was nature of the boosts.
Dave Jones: That was a long time ago. That was probably once that
was probably very early after the boost button showed up in
apps.
Adam Curry: Yeah, that's all right. That think about it seems
like a long time ago. It's not that long, brother. That's
Dave Jones: true. I sounded so young
Adam Curry: and unspoiled. Yes,
Dave Jones: yes. Boy, I was a virgin. What do we like? Do we
want to talk about I think, I think we can I want to get
rolling on the namespace by formalizing the podcast chat
tag.
Adam Curry: Okay. Oh, and this will be for phase eight. Oh,
Dave Jones: seven.
Adam Curry: Oh 10 Seven. I thought seven was closed. No, no
Dave Jones: seven we did I set the closed date on seven last
week to June the first. So we're gonna it's going to be closed
June 1. Everybody. That's what that's what our milestone is.
But that doesn't mean as usual that doesn't mean that we can't
formalize things as they become done. I mean, if as they're
fully baked, we will we can we can ship them. I think podcast
chat tag. I mean, it's it's already being used in
Adam Curry: curieux Cassie Tirrell caster has it is showing
it. I don't think anyone else is showing up peer to peer to peer
tube. Okay, but curio caster also shows but that is kind of a
like it goes to a page with a IRC login. Okay. Yes. So
Dave Jones: the chat tag is, is very similar to the social
interact tag, except it's for chat. So you have, I can just
get through it real quick. So the chat tag is essentially it
goes right now. So here's how it here's how it would go in,
here's how it would go into the namespace initially, it would be
initially limited to only being in a live item parent tag,
right. And I'm saying I'm saying this specifically, I want to I
want it to be it's important that when I'm saying initially
because I think this needs to expand in the future. But part
of the reason I feel comfortable, go ahead and put in
the namespace now is because it is going to be initially limited
into the limited to live item tag as the parent. So you can
have one chat tag in the pair and the live item tag. And it
requires a protocol attribute, saying what it is. So as Is it
is it our C? Is it XMPP? Is it noster? Whatever?
Adam Curry: Well, I'm currently in. In sovereign, we we have it
in our feed in the live item we have IRC, and the other options,
I see your XMPP matrix and Nasr. That's what that's what it is
for now.
Dave Jones: Those are the four examples in the proto in the
proposal document. Right. So that makes sense. So then you
also have a recommended account ID, though that's the account ID
of the podcaster on the on the chat platform, right? Yep. Yep.
It's not required. The only thing required is protocol, but
it is the account ID is recommended.
Adam Curry: And that space name.
Dave Jones: And then yes, so I love
Adam Curry: I love it. You know why I love space name? No,
because it sounds so much like Space Force.
Dave Jones: Oh, Space Force. Yes. Space Force,
Adam Curry: you go. Server
Dave Jones: is an optional attribute. So that's the fully
qualified, that's the fully qualified domain name of chat
server.
Adam Curry: Oh, I don't we don't have served Oh, yeah, we do have
server? Yes, we do have server. Okay. So
Dave Jones: the, you know, as usual, what we're trying to do
with these tags, we're trying to genericized them, to make them
adaptable to what to be useful now for the protocols we have
now and for the future, to Yes, and for future for the 25 years
in the future,
Adam Curry: future use future use whatever
Dave Jones: protocol is the hotness, then you could adapt
it. And so the server is the optional FQ dn of a chat server.
And the way that is described in the documentation in the in the
proposal document is a chat server that serves as the
bootstrap server. So for like, for IRC, I mean, you can get two
channels in multiple ways, different servers. So it's just
the one that you're most likely to be an entry point, right? But
if you run one single private server, it'll just be that the
space is for, like a call to space because not everybody uses
different terminology. Everybody has this most chat systems have
this notion of a room or a chat room. Yeah, yeah, topic channel.
So I just said space because it was generic enough to be a cover
all those things. Embed URL is a URL to an HTML rendered version
of the chat. Yeah. Okay. So those are the attributes. And
with the other aspect of trying to have formalizing this now is
that we can is it what we're dealing with now and it's
working mostly, is this an noncanonical chat attribute in
the live Adam tag that Steven be created. And that's just a
single URL. And we're, we've been living with that for a
while. And it does work a long time. Yeah on time. So this is
just a much better out of the gate version of of that already.
Adam Curry: And I will say that there are 1000s of people, every
single no agenda show de PUE could be using your app for the
what we call the troll room, which is, which we've been
pushing this information out for, I don't know how long it
was, it's been inherited over a year, maybe two years. I don't
have a long time. So I have no app to promote for this. I'm
looking for apps to implement this. So I can promote it on no
agenda. Just saying. Yeah, pretty big.
Dave Jones: Nathan asked question, what, what count? Was
it limited to only just a single chat tag to begin with? And just
few that were? I mean, I can see the I can see the potential for
having more than one in the future. I mean, that makes
sense. I mean, you may have multiple ways of chatting. But
typically, I'm just looking for the most common use case. And
the most common use case that I see here is ours. Yeah, which is
so we have this show, no agenda, accidental tech, Jupiter
broadcasting, that most of the shows have one official chat
environment that they support. So since this is going to be
going into the feed from the foods that the podcasts are
gonna be putting this into the feed, they're most likely going
to be they're going to want everybody else to be in the
place they are. And they're only going to be typically in one
place as their primary chat for the show when it's five. So
then, that really, it it can there's no reason not to have
multiples. But for ease of programming on the app developer
side, it makes it most well, it just becomes more complicated.
So I think we can we can we can make it later we can expand it
to be multiple, but I think initially single is limit the
blast radius make this easy as easy as possible to program. And
but I don't see any reason not to formalize this. It's working
now.
Adam Curry: And is this something you can see in the
future going into channel level just for people to hang out?
Totally. Okay. Yeah, because there's a lot of that going on.
I love it. I think we should formalize it. We've been using
it. I'd love to see it implemented. I really would. It
seems like a no brainer.
Dave Jones: I would say once we get this once we get this in
there, and we see that we see that people are comfortable with
putting it into the feed from the hosting side out because I
can imagine immediately, probably blueberry is probably
gonna hit this in their PowerPress product. Yeah, that
fits a good fit for them.
Adam Curry: If Todd ever comes back to America
Dave Jones: Oh no, he's a good globetrotter.
Adam Curry: Race man, he's gone. He's back
Dave Jones: in the he's back in the he's back in the Force. He
went deep cover the Deathstar. But I can see like, for instance
them. I think Barry at pod home. I think he's actually doing lit
now. Yeah,
Adam Curry: with servers even I think with the servers. Yeah,
Dave Jones: for him doing this. So once we, once we get a couple
of hosts that are begin to put this into their feeds, then we
can look come back later in maybe phase eight or nine, when
you know, whatever makes sense for the timing and say, Okay,
this is working well. Now we expand it to channel level for
show chat that sort of always on troll room, or, and or increase
from single to multiple.
Adam Curry: I love it. I think it's great. I'm so moved. Yes.
Dave Jones: It's done. I will I will do that. We'll do that this
the next few days, our formulas as well as our first tag and oh,
gosh, it's been six months since we have a tag right? Yeah.
Adam Curry: Well, that's good. Everyone's catching up. The apps
are great. I've just loved the apps meeting. They're all
they're really they're kicking butt. Every single one of them
are so good. I'm concerned about podcast guru. I know I've told
you this. But I just see I think that when their new version came
out. I don't know if everyone who was using it knows that they
have to reconnect their wallet.
Dave Jones: Oh, do the lb Connect. Yeah.
Adam Curry: I'm just not seeing enough transactions. Just it
seems like I'm the only one. Like this can't be right.
Dave Jones: Yeah, the people may not realize that their wallets
been disconnected. Yeah, I didn't. I had to Go in there.
And look, once you said it. Yeah,
Adam Curry: I mean, you you just become I don't even know, I'm
sure that if you tried to boost it would give you a fail, but
maybe not I don't know. But I just I can just see it. I'm
like, no, no, this doesn't make sense. There's just not enough
transactions coming in.
Dave Jones: That's one thing about cast ematic that, that I
like. And one of the reasons I have maintained it as my daily
driver is because it's right. When, when you're out, when your
wallet gets disconnected, there's a big thing right there
on the front that says you need to reconnect your wallet. Yeah.
Which is pretty it's kind of in your face.
Adam Curry: And so and also, I think, podcast podcast, who
correctly stacks payments and doesn't send them until like,
every five minutes. That's good. Yes. Which I think is good. But
of course, that does lower the amount of transaction. So I'm
taking that into account. But I know I'm just I mean, you know,
me, I feel stuff, right. I just like, someone doesn't feel
right. I'm not sure what it is. But if something doesn't feel
right. So Jason,
Dave Jones: we want to go before we think people do want to, you
want to hear the stats for the did the taxes?
Adam Curry: Oh, yeah. Yeah. It's like, I love tax time, because
Dave does it. All I have to do, I just had to set up the bank
account overview, I maintain the bank account. So it was just
really easy. Like, we wrote three checks. If
Dave Jones: we did the bank account, that our bank statement
fits on line one,
Adam Curry: yeah, one Excel sheet, one page.
Dave Jones: It doesn't even scroll, you know? So, an
exported all the transactions out for Greg, who is our CPA
that does this. So I exported all the transactions out of the
podcast index node, this
Adam Curry: is a graph, I'm going to write it down. This is
a great number.
Dave Jones: And it took it took 72 hours to export all the
transactions using balance of Satoshis. Three days, export all
the transactions. There were 5,420,548 transactions.
5,420,548. Wow,
Adam Curry: wow. Yes, half million transactions. Wow. There
Dave Jones: were about 4 million last year. So we're, we're a
million and a half above what what happened? What it was last
year.
Adam Curry: Okay. That's that's a good metric. So 4 million
Dave Jones: last year. Yes. Yeah. 5,420,548 Total
Transactions on the podcast index note only for 2020 2023.
Adam Curry: I was gonna say its calendar year,
Dave Jones: calendar year way at one one to 1231. Wow, the total
sets for 2023 69,193,139. Wow. That's, that's Trent. That's
podcasting. 2.0 transactions. So that's just that's where we were
given the 1% split. You know,
Adam Curry: also Stoddard comes into the show, obviously.
Dave Jones: Oh, yeah. Yeah, true. Yes. Donations to the
show.
Adam Curry: Yeah. What was that in? 2022? Do you have that
number? No,
Dave Jones: I don't have in front of me. I didn't I didn't
bring it. Interestingly, another the other stat that came the the
stepped out to me was forwards. So routing, routing, oh, routing
for you. SATs. So we had 1,023,793 SATs in routing. I
don't know what that translates into. But it's about I think
it's about 200 bucks. Interesting.
Adam Curry: We have our fees incredibly low on purpose.
Right. Right. So I hope that hope that helps everybody. Wow,
that's good. That's good. Unbelievable. Yeah,
Dave Jones: so we I mean, that's that. That did I mean, those are
great numbers. 1-810-210-2379
Adam Curry: No, that was the number 1023793
Dave Jones: on on routing, status routing feature sets.
Yeah. Okay. So that
Adam Curry: graduated. Congratulations, everybody. Good
work. You keeping us alive?
Dave Jones: 69 Yeah, the 69,000,193 139 of course, that's
you know, that's gone up in value with with Bitcoin going
nuts. Yeah. You know, it was not that at the time it was much
lower. Yeah, so anyway, that's, that's, that's for this year.
Nice.
Adam Curry: Nice. Well, let us thank some people who were
adding to that number for 2024 and we kick it off with say am
Southie 10,000 SATs boosting us of course from the true fans. He
says hello from Australia listening live. Ben James and I
will be in Brisbane next week. 22nd of February for meetup and
beers. Cool.
Dave Jones: How was he listening live in Australia? Isn't it like
three o'clock in the morning that he doesn't sleep? That's
right.
Adam Curry: Actually, I think well, what time is it in? Time?
Is it in Australia? In Brisbane in Brisbane? Let's see. Normally
I can do this but it hurts my Wait, am I he's up. He's up to
get up before his wife gets up to do anything he wants to do.
So I caught that before she wakes up. Cotton Gin was
boosting during the rebel hero song 3333 says nice key change.
Dred Scott also boosting. Now I'm just guessing this because
pod verse does not send me the remote item information in the
TLV at least not in a way that I can decode it in helipad, which
is a shame. But that's okay. There's only only two apps do it
really well. I think cast thematic is one and podcast guru
does pretty good actually. Anyway, the RO ducks from drip
Thank you very much. Dobby das 10,000 SATs from podcast guru so
he reconnected his wallet. Hello beautiful people just want to
invite everyone to tune into the herbivore live V for V concert
today. 9:30pm Eastern Standard Time. Search herbivore live on
modern podcast apps. Dolby Das, please send me a link to any
social media posts or anything appropriate so I can hype that
on the X. And O sir TJ the wrathful with 1953. pre show
boost. Ryan and Seth fonder are joining us in the dorsal verse
this Sunday Night Live. Again, send me a link where I can
promote that would love to do that. What really works well is
is a link to an app that they can show it live. And I can put
that on the socials Dred Scott, separate row of duck 2222. How
do y'all just a little pre show boost? How do y'all and I think
that is Oh, as Sam just came in with another 10,000. The reason
I often say we have implemented something is because I believe
in build fast, then fix it. We tried to make ideas a reality so
others can see how it might work and then wait for feedback to
improve the feature.
Dave Jones: That's sandboxing. Down. Yes. Yes, that makes
sense.
Adam Curry: He says, Did you like our validator? I've
honestly I've not played with it yet. Have you checked out the
validator?
Dave Jones: Yes, I checked. I think it is very well done. And
I think that's a I think that's a fine like we we have really
that's kind of an important thing. I mean, that's the role
that that's the role that Steven the played has played for a long
time as tres. Being you know, taking the arrows, you know,
getting out there doing crazy stuff. And I'm glad and the fact
that Sam is doing that is wonderful. Thank you, sir.
Indeed,
Adam Curry: Sam Southie Thank you have a great time man. Have
a great time on You're supposed to be on vacation. What are you
doing stop work are you doing man stop
Dave Jones: and go to board meetings on vacation. Stop
Adam Curry: it. Stop it. You're up Dave. Who can we thank for
supporting the value for value project that we are.
Dave Jones: Oh, we got some. Get some paper towels. This week. We
got Oscar marry $200
Adam Curry: Fountain hold on us now. That's Hold on. That's
Unknown: Sakala 20 is Blaze on him Paul.
Adam Curry: Definitely a baller.
Dave Jones: I just want to I wanted to make I made a note of
this to mention it I don't think I don't make maybe people don't
realize this or stopped to think about what this was actually
happening here. So think about you got Marco. You got Oscar.
You got Mitch and Kreon at pod verse. Collectively. Marco is
donating $7,500 a month. Oscar in nicot Fountain are donating
$200 a month. Pot verse Mitch and Kreon are donating $50 a
month. That's $750 a month. For the they're donating for their
use of the index. And if you think about it, whether what
they're donating is they are podcast apps donating to an
index that yes, they use but the primary purpose of the index is
to allow us to help other podcast apps. Yeah. So they are
donating to their company to help their competition. I think
that's a fair that's a beaut little thing to me today that
it's very is a very open source way of thinking and I love it.
Adam Curry: And I love it and I love them. Yeah,
Dave Jones: me too. Thank you for that. Thank you for that
Oscar. And yep. And we had pod verse 50 bucks. Thank you,
Matthew match. Thank you, Mitch. We have to wait two donations
from Travis halls. Neither one of them had a note but $24.76
And then another one for $21 from Travis. Oh,
Adam Curry: thank you, Travis. How can I Travis Dred Scott just
came in with 4567 RSS blue also has a nice validator he says yes
tools dot RSS blue.com/validator Wow. All right.
Dave Jones: And we got some booster grams. We got a Joel W
with a satchel Richards through fountain. He says I still have
YouTube channels and my RSS reader pulling videos. Well,
they said they canceled Oh yeah, I
Adam Curry: thought they canceled it out.
Dave Jones: Maybe it's a head fake. Todd from Northern
Virginia 22 to 22 Bigger of ducks the pod versus go
podcasting.
Adam Curry: All right, thank you very much go podcasting. Indeed.
By the way, I love Dred Scott boosted from curio caster,
because Curie caster and Casta Matic I can hit reply. Tonight.
How's that working?
Dave Jones: Is it working? work so well, it's
Adam Curry: so fun. Because I just Yeah, cuz I can I can add
the number the amount of sites I want, and most people are
connected through get Alby and I'll be will send them an email
that I've sent that I've sent to boost. Oh, that's cool. So the
so the alert mechanism is in the it's this. I mean, it's it's
real. It's awesome. It really is just awesome to have that
capability. Sam, how come you haven't implemented that yet?
Come on Samsung.
Dave Jones: Air peepees just really rocked it. Oh, yeah. You
know, and made Steven crater I gave a RPP maintainer rides on
the on the helipad repo because he's so
Adam Curry: in involved in that what he's doing he's doing the
whole he's doing
Dave Jones: it I mean, that's yeah, he's doing the whole
thing. And that's his code now and then Stephen crater I gave
him maintainer rights today on the website repo so he's, he can
easily merge things
Adam Curry: right. Perfect. Perfect. And that takes a lot of
hassle off of your back. Yeah,
Dave Jones: I don't want them waiting for me. I feel bad. You
know, because of course, it takes a day for me to see it and
everything. So yeah, I want them to be able to move when they
when it's good for their time schedule. And then we got Sir
Brian of London day 11,948 sets. Thank you brother. Cast
thematic. He says, I saw cats in the O musical. I saw cats in the
original stage production as a child in the West End in London,
and also the king Anya with your Brynner on the stage. Oh,
Adam Curry: that's right. I'm gonna I'm gonna reply to him
right now with 1000 SATs. What should I say?
Dave Jones: To whom?
Adam Curry: I can cast thematic Yes. From Adam and Dave.
Dave Jones: Tell you should tell him that. Cat Mamma Mia. Mamma
Mia is worse than cats.
Adam Curry: Mommy is worse than cats. Okay, and sending the
boost. I love that. All right. And my
Dave Jones: my brief musical report is that I will say we've
watched two musicals this week. Ah, yes, Mamma Mia is a steaming
pile of garbage. Whoever decided to take a bunch of Abba songs
and put some crappy basically it's an Abba concert with with a
without, without Abba. And with a paper sin plot just enough to
tie together the Abba songs. It is a piece of garbage. It's
Adam Curry: interesting because the women in my life love the
movie. They love the movies. I know I agree. It's not my kind
of thought
Dave Jones: it was as bad as it could get. And then Pierce
Brosnan tried to start trying to save sounds like Oh, it sounds
like an out of tune cat like cello or something is awful. And
then, but Melissa, Melissa calls Abba military pop because it's
Adam Curry: interesting to hear. Can you hear the drums Fernando?
Dave Jones: But Oliver is a great musical.
Adam Curry: Oh, yeah. Oliver's fantastic. Yes.
Dave Jones: It's the songs are a little long, but it's got great
choreography.
Adam Curry: As Sam said. He says we've had booths replies for
over a year. Yeah, well, they're not showing up in your TLV
record, Sam. Oh, yeah, you need to put it into TLV record.
Thanks for the extra 10,000
Dave Jones: Okay, so we got Bill prog. 2000 He's a hugger. 2000
SATs through fountain he says when you mentioned Apple I
thought they stopped hating polar bears and wanting polar
caps to melt away goes decentralized podcast.
Adam Curry: Yes, go for it indeed.
Dave Jones: They're getting there. Nick 2222 Road ducks do
fountaining says it's fine work you people do fine work. Very
Adam Curry: fine. Work on both sides.
Dave Jones: Thank you Nick. Other way ups at 5000 SATs the
founding says anti burnout boost.
Adam Curry: Ah yes. For the Mitchell. And everyone else.
Dave Jones: Did everyone else don't burn out guys. Kevin Bay
75,002.
Adam Curry: So Oh 75,000 Yes, I think that's a that's a baller
boost man. Nice. Yeah. Thank you. The pod
Dave Jones: versus sending this while listening from Casta pod
country. The amount is my apartments zip code in Paris.
How would you say the How would you say the word vo i see i
Adam Curry: vo i see it wasI
Dave Jones: what's the LA boost?
Adam Curry: Rossi Lobos so he's what he's but he's in France
he's not in Italy he's not in cast. He's not in cast thematic
country. No cast pod cast a pod country Oh, okay. Yes,
Dave Jones: pod
Adam Curry: war. See likly did Nico la see I'm singing now for
the frogs.
Dave Jones: Okay, okay. What does that what does that mean
voice boost
Adam Curry: means I think it's here's the boost okay, we'll see
we'll see is it see or hear voices get
Dave Jones: Benjamin Bellamy next week he can tell us Oh
really? Oh
Adam Curry: that'll be fun.
Dave Jones: Oh yeah. We
Adam Curry: have not and he's these been releasing new
versions and doing all kinds of stuff non stop on the move wasI
I thought it was here it is. Let me just see. To preposition this
is yeah, this is the boost yeah, here is this is the boost. Yeah,
exactly. What's the what's the low boost.
Dave Jones: Allen see Paul 2222 through pod verse he says the
internet was a mistake is the winning quote for 2024. Great,
great episode throughout especially in working through
licensed music ownership and burnout. I'm in V for V for the
long haul over here as musician but I'm taking in as much as I
can handle at the breakneck pace that this is all developing.
Can't imagine being on the developer side.
Adam Curry: Yes. And Alan see Paul is I think he's also in in
the music chart. He's he must is young in the deck darlings.
Dave Jones: Who is he?
Adam Curry: Yes, he is serenity number seven. Nice Yeah.
Dave Jones: Top 10 deck darling. Yeah, that's right. Karen a mere
mortals. 2222 through fountain he says Dave Joe for President
can't lose with a solid country named like that. A real uric
real American Red Dave
Adam Curry: Joe, Dave, Joe. Davey, Joe everybody.
Dave Jones: Linkin Park rules 10,000 sets. To fountain he says
thank you PSA to all podcasting 2.0 enabled player apps. If you
have chapter art as a feature, can you ensure that GIFs are
able to work? It really adds to the experience and allows
podcasters to do cool things. Check out the latest episode of
action news on the ungovernable misfits podcast feed and
fountain as an example I saw
Adam Curry: it it's not only is it cool, it is also guaranteed
to crash Ford Sync.
Dave Jones: Guarantee guaranteed Yes, your car will stop.
Adam Curry: will actually work your ignition.
Dave Jones: Yes. Jeremy Ross sent a sent a bit of this music
booster in the music part. Jay says nice
Adam Curry: tune 500 says Hi Jeremy to the artist, man. Yep,
Morris podcast,
Dave Jones: Karen coming in again with 1024 kilo boost. He
says you sent me requested a while ago, Dave that I get on
and get on an alternate view for V for V. Well, I had Trevor bell
on recently and he gave the devil's advocate.
Adam Curry: I haven't listened to it yet. It's queued up. I'm
Dave Jones: halfway through it Satan's lawyer to value for
value. Hope you enjoy. Yes, I'm about halfway through it. I've
got I've got thoughts. Yes, I do. All right. But we were in at
time today. Comic Strip blogger, the delimiter 28,000 SATs
through fountain. He says how do you open source fans Adam and
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Adam Curry: Yeah, it's good. It works.
Dave Jones: Have you used it?
Adam Curry: I have seen it work. I do not pay for my GPT I just
can't bring I just can't bring myself to use it to pay for it.
Dave Jones: I can't bring myself to put in my phone number. Well,
Adam Curry: yeah, I did a bogus phone number and that worked out
okay, but it's just I just can't remember I have run my own LMS
at home. You know, it's a little slower, but I'm happy with them.
Dave Jones: Maybe Maybe I'll put in one of my kids phone number.
Yeah,
Adam Curry: there you go. Have Google track your kids Nice.
Yeah, I mean, it's not me so it's okay to you sir. TJ the
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Dave Jones: I suppose ask you what that means. I'm not up on
that link.
Adam Curry: Oh, okay. Tlt it's that's a Korean the keeper a
classic. Keep the lid down. Oh, yeah. Keep the lid down. That's
Dave Jones: right. Everybody gets monthlies got Joseph maraca
$5 Emilio Kendall Molina $4 Basil Phillip $25. Thank you
basil. He runs uh, he runs a service of some sort of podcast
platform type thing and I'm not sure what it is. Let me know
basil I'm because because he I we accidentally what I had to do
we start getting hit with bots a lot. So I had to, Oh,
Adam Curry: yes. I saw his emails. Hey, man. Hey, man, I've
been blocked. You blocked me. Yeah,
Dave Jones: that actually got a few emails from different people
because I had blocked the blocked all the user agent
strings from the sample code. And it it ended up messing up
some people so we got that all sorted out, but I don't remember
what his service was. If you if you can tell me basal lamina
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Adam Curry: Oh, thank you all so much. And I just checked the
tally coin. Nope, nothing there. But if you want to support the
podcast, and 2.0 project and the podcast with your value, that
you return for the value you receive from it all, which is
the only way we survive. Dave and Adam take nothing at all
goes into the index into the machines and into the bank
account and on the node for the node. It's for liquidity for the
bank accounts to keep it rolling. So we have what do we
have at least three years we can run at the current run? to three
years to
Dave Jones: about three years? Yeah, yeah. So
Adam Curry: so if we fall down, the project will continue while
everybody scrambles. And you can go to podcast index.org. At the
bottom, there's two red donate buttons, one for your Fiat fund
coupons through Pay Pal, which we of course, appreciate, but
really going to podcast apps.com Getting a modern podcast app
filling up your wallet, and boost blasting that in our face
is what we appreciate the most. Because it really it helps the
ecosystem gets everything running. Thank you so much for
supporting us here at podcast index.org podcasting 2.0.
Dave Jones: That would be interesting. We pay we auto pay
our bills, most of our hosting through PayPal. So Linode and
Cloudflare are both paid through PayPal automatically. So it
would be fun if we if we both kicked the bucket. It would be
funny to see how long how long
Adam Curry: it would keep running. Yeah, just kidding.
Yeah, it would? I think it would, because the bank account
will say we'll stay valid. just odd. If we need money from
PayPal, there's automatically pull in from the bank account?
Dave Jones: I think so. Yeah. That's the backup source funding
source, I think. And I bet it would just keep going forever.
That'd be
Adam Curry: cool. To try. Just don't don't do anything. Let's
see what happens. Yeah. Terrible. We should we should
check our, our deadman switch to make sure it all works. And of
course, we're going to release all the information we have on
everybody.
Dave Jones: As you check the uptime on my freedom controller
server because I haven't SSH into that box and at least a
year. Oh,
Adam Curry: it's, I mean, same with mine.
Dave Jones: I don't even know what it's doing anymore. It may
have aI already. If you've developed intelligence,
Adam Curry: I know you're real busy. If you have a chance to
find those last enclosure clips for me.
Dave Jones: Thanks for reminding me. Yeah, forgot about that.
It's buried in my email. Yeah, I'll do I'll yeah,
Adam Curry: I mean, we've got devs who are trying to set up
all kinds of stuff indexing it, just like hey, man, we're
missing these clips. Okay. Okay. I'll do that unless you're
really sorry to pile on work. Sorry. Yeah, hey, boardrooms
job. Thank you all very much for showing up. It's good to do this
again next week. We have discussed the pardoning next
week. Yeah, Benjamin Benjamin. Excellent that that will be fun.
We can make all our French jokes. I look forward to it so
much. He's been he's been not just cast the pod but he's also
been writing articles publishing stuff and big our interview with
James is really pushing. I mean, I I I'm curious to see how
France is doing with podcasting. 2.0 They got a lot of problems
over there.
Dave Jones: They do. I mean, like everything's burning. Yeah.
The middle everything's burning.
Adam Curry: The farmers are piling crap into government
houses. I mean, is it's a foreign country.
Dave Jones: It's entertaining.
Adam Curry: I Brother Dave, thank you so much, man. I
appreciate you for so many reasons. And it's been another
good week and it's always good chatting with you. Just so you
know. We don't talk. This is this is when Adam and Dave catch
up. We got nothing to say to each other is a joke email. Me.
Everybody. Thank you so much. We'll be back next week with
another board meeting of podcasting. 2.0 right here. Till
then take care everybody bye bye.
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