Adam Curry: podcasting 2.0 For April 5 2024, episode 174 were
nice and frothy. Well, it's Friday once again time for the
board meaning of podcasting. 2.0 everything happening in
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in the heart of the Texas Hill Country in an Alabama ladies
he's the man that can cook your dinner and do your taxes. Say
hello to my friend on the other end the One Only pod sage Mr. De
Jones.
Dave Jones: For clarity I can do neither one of those things.
Adam Curry: Wait a minute. Yeah, you're the tax guy.
Dave Jones: No, no, I'm the I'm the guy that helps the guys that
do the tax.
Adam Curry: Okay, okay. I gotcha. I gotcha. How you doing
brother?
Dave Jones: I'm good and I cannot believe you made it
through that intro without without some kind of crazy
thing. Coming out of coming out of whatever audio this whatever
rig this thing is. Yeah, it is spewing out all kinds of weird
stuff. And I know people were frantically boosting to try to
get it to do something weird. Yeah, good luck.
Adam Curry: We will explain exactly why as we bring on our
guests in a little bit in a few minutes. Also for everyone, so
you know, we are fresh. Good. Fresh. Good on the show. Fresh
good. Fresh, fresh. Oh,
Dave Jones: you got a brand new one. Okay. I
Adam Curry: had no idea that I needed to have a fresh Gu ID for
the live shows. I this was
Dave Jones: this was a new good drop.
Adam Curry: New good. This wasn't I didn't know I feel
dumb. No, no,
Dave Jones: don't don't feel that way. Adam should never feel
that way about yourself. valuable. I
Adam Curry: didn't realize that it you know, it screws up all
kinds of things. downstreams it's crazy it
Dave Jones: in, you know, on paper.
Adam Curry: It's just like a space before a value block is on
paper. It should be a prom, but it really isn't.
Dave Jones: It's fine. It's, you know, I mean, like, all this
stuff is like that. That's the beauty about right. That's the
beauty and beautiful thing about writing a spec, you already know
that nobody's going to do half of what you say in the spec. So
you write if you if you write that, if you write the spec with
that in mind, then you know what to leave out and what not to be
hung up about. You're like, you know, I'm gonna put this in
there, but they're probably not going to do it anyway. So,
Adam Curry: so when so when you're writing up a spec, say
maybe you're putting something in into into the GitHub for
proposal. Where are you already writing are you so you're
already writing down the writing stuff and go like no one's gonna
do this is you have that when you're doing
Dave Jones: it goes further than that. It's not just nobody's
gonna do this. I know exactly. Which ones are not which ones
are not going to do. I'm like,
Adam Curry: oh, you know, you already know why she won't do
it.
Dave Jones: I'm like Franco will never do this.
Adam Curry: Oh, there you go. Thanks, Franco. Going to keep
him
Dave Jones: I love you Franca.
Adam Curry: So a couple of things up front first of all,
I'm very happy very I'm a happy man. This was a great week
because I had a day off yesterday I did it was weird. It
was and you know, yeah, I had a day off but guess what, you
know, Tina's like let's go do some stuff or get some shopping
together Main Street and that is an exact replica for voice no
new media show Todd and Rob were fighting about video again. It
was I felt home Yes. I felt ah there we are. It's good. It's
good to be back home now. Beautiful and beautiful thing I
missed you guys. Although dude, that song they have as the
opener that's not doing it for me. That's
Dave Jones: they this is a fail that just tells
Adam Curry: me that AI is is not doing its job which as we know
from the Amazon walkout store, there's all bogus anyway. How
funny was that story?
Dave Jones: What is cheaper than a GPU? Nvidia GPU
Adam Curry: 1000 Indians
Dave Jones: you can get seven or eight Indians for the cost of
Nvidia 3950 Yeah,
Adam Curry: just if you hadn't seen the story, the Amazon is
closing its walk out stores. I guess the the the financials
didn't make sense. And as it turns out, and I have no idea
why this was disclosed. It's crazy. That it wasn't really
some fancy AI that is tracking every product you put into your
basket and walk out with no it was 1000 Indians. Which sounds
kind of derivative to be quite honest.
Dave Jones: Like, are you a racist? No.
Adam Curry: Oh, yes, there it is racist. Yeah, no. You mean
derogatory? It's like, yeah, all of the above it was 1000 people
in India is probably probably
Dave Jones: a better way to say it. 1000 Indians? Yeah, just
Adam Curry: it just sounds wrong. I mean, it reduces them
to I don't know, chips I had just doesn't feel good. It
didn't feel right. So, yeah, so the so AI of course, is, is and
companies now raising $50 billion you know, to make it all
work. Don't worry if we can just raise 50 More billion dollars
here are their Don't worry, you'll get your money back.
Promise. Yeah,
Dave Jones: this. We, we live in an interesting period of time
where the, it's the free money train went for so long. That now
it's, it's been pretty interesting to watch it fall
apart. Because no. Like, there's this psychological thing that
happens where when something goes on, when you go into
cycles, you know, you it's like, you get it, you get the boom,
and the bust and the boom and the bust. But then if the boom,
if the bus never comes for a long time, for maybe 1015 years,
and you don't have the bus, then you kind of you forget that
there's gonna be a bus. Oh,
Adam Curry: you know what I was talking with the Vortech about
this who's been around longer than any of us. And so he's seen
these cycles come and go. And he's on he's on board with me
like this is this is bullcrap. But anyway, when you have this
is the third cycle of of AI. Now we had a couple and then we had
the AI winter and we will have another AI winter. But he feels
that usually when you go through three, three cycles, then it
catches and it will last three to five years. And then you get
like a big explosion very similar to the.com bust in 2000.
A mega drop. Yeah. Yeah. Which sounds right to me. You know,
because it feels about because it's so much money in this and,
and all these parlor tricks. Oh, look at this image I created.
Oh, look at the song that I created up put it on my podcast
is intro music. You know, it's just like, and it and even just
the incessant how AI is going to fit into podcasting.
Dave Jones: Yeah, like right now. We're not we're not we're
not at like full blown. Descent. We're like 20 degrees down
bubble.
Adam Curry: We were headed 20 degree bubble. I
Dave Jones: like that. Yeah, we're like headed down at a slow
pace. In the we're in. It's causing all sorts of like weird
things to happen. You're getting like, Did you did you see we
hadn't really talked about this. I don't think last week. But did
you see that kit piece on Andrew Huberman? Yeah, I
Adam Curry: don't really. I didn't really I saw it. But I
didn't really get I don't really care. It was the New Yorker
magazine, I think. Yeah.
Dave Jones: And I don't I don't really care. I don't really care
that much, either. But I did. I did read it because I saw a
couple of references to it. This sounded like it was there might
be a couple of intriguing things in there that I generally don't
go in for, you know, for just a clear sort of hit pieces.
Whether they're true or not, I just don't know does not
entertaining to me. But, but I did read it. It is a very long
piece. And it's very odd. And what I mean, I don't mean the
content. I mean, like, so this this piece was like, every
paragraph took this form. Look at how horrible Andrew Haberman
is because here's all these things that a former girlfriend
said about him. But we contacted him and his spokesperson said
that all of these things are not true.
Adam Curry: And so we published it right away.
Dave Jones: Dude, every paragraph was, here's what
happened. And here's the response from his from from his
people. Here's what happened. Here's the response from his
people. I've never seen an error like this is weird. And I guess
the reason I'm bringing this up is because like, of course like
when you get popular you're gonna get targeted and we will I
mean this is just a thing. And all the stuff in it may be true.
I mean, what what I want my daughter to date Andrew Haberman
No, but I'm just saying that like we live in like this weird
Doc's culture where we're trying to like out we're journalism is
trying to like get a get the nasty scoop on everybody. And
now that the sort of the podcast winner has said in and people
aren't making as much money and the and the advertising is like
on a weekly basis showing the bacon pleat fraud. You started
to get like a crack gets in the you know, the door gets a crack
in it and then the hit pieces just you shove their foot in the
door. Yeah, it's been, it's entertaining to watch
Adam Curry: what I find. So I'd like to remind everybody of
this, you know, the, the idea of growing your show 10,000
downloads, get advertising, but people forget in all this. It's
like, it's not like some magic bullet that AI is going to
deliver. Or, you know, discovery is going to deliver, you have to
have a good product. That's the thing that is rarely discussed
without it. I mean, we saw this cycle in blogging. Oh, yeah.
Just start a blog make money. Yeah, no, no, no, you have to
build audience and and of course, you know, by found that
with podcasting, getting your audience involved. If I was
talking to a guy, very interesting guy, he has a
regenerative beef based dog treats brand that He's
launching. And, as well and I actually met him in Bluffton,
Georgia, when I went to a beef initiative, mini meet up, you
know, like those Texas slim stuff. And that's a year or so
ago. Yeah, in fact, I did the show from there, I think. And so
that's will Harris white oak pastures very well known. A lot
of people buy beef from him, he has his own processing plant.
And this I met this guy, and he was and he was talking to will
and will says, you know, this guy's he's onto something here
because they throw a lot of strip meat away. And there's a
lot of stuff that just doesn't isn't sold to humans. And this
guy took that and he's processing it as in freeze
drying, etc. And he's turning it into hair, very healthy snacks
for dogs. And so he he gets through my filters somehow,
maybe probably because I met him and he comes out to
Fredericksburg, which you know, and he's from Colorado. So he
flew to Austin. And he may have had some other meetings, but he
drives us on half drive. So I'll meet with anybody who's really
going to drive out to see me. And oh, yeah, before too long is
like hey, you know, can you get me to Joe Rogan's? Oh, man,
however, as we were talking, I said, you know, man, I have a
thought here. Why don't you if there's something about this and
this product specifically, and it's a good product, I've tried
it on Phoebe, she likes it. And it's healthy. It's his Phoebe
approved. I said, What if you turn this on? It's on his head.
Instead of going to podcast buying CPMs you know, all the
all the same old tired stuff for buying a network run of network?
Why don't you play me? Let
Dave Jones: me let me let me guess what I'm what you're gonna
say, Okay. Instead of making treats for dogs, you make treats
for humans out of dogs?
Adam Curry: Damn, that's my next idea. That's a big one. I like
that. Yes, it's called Soylent Green for dogs? Exactly. Yes.
Yes. No. I said, Why don't you become the Podcast Network? Why
not? Why don't you make your brand, the podcast network, and
you invite people in. And the whole idea is, it's a social,
it's a social thing, where the idea is to have the audience's
of these podcasters do stuff to compete. And you know, you can
do contests, you can, you know, pretty dog picture, you name it,
and flip it on its head. So you don't have to go for all these
huge give me the biggest podcasters that I can and don't
buy ad reads. You know, they have, you know, it would be
direct inquiry. So you track it. If someone sells product, then
great. Give them some stipend to keep them as a part of it and
get the get the lower ones that have 5000 people listening, I
don't even know if downloads counts, but you have smaller
audiences and get a couple 1000 people to buy, buy your product.
And it hasn't been fleshed out yet. But I'm like there's
something there. There's something that can change. I've
always looked, I'm always looking to change the way
advertising is done in podcasting, because what we're
doing now, it's a dead end. It's just a dead end. It's not going
anywhere. Anyway, so that yeah, that to say that, you know,
it's, you have a great product. I think a great product is when
you have great interaction with your audience, who I who I like
to call producers for no agenda. In this case, its board members,
they're all there in the chat room. You hear the Pew Pew is
going on and on and on. I mean, that's literal interaction,
literal interaction with the audience. And we'll get to that
in a moment because there's reasons for it. But before that,
I would like to make a plea and suggestion. The more I think
about what we talked about last week about using the social
interact tag as the base layer for activity pub interaction
between apps which is a fancy way of saying cross app
comments. The more I like it, we could be a decentralized
platform, that would be formidable and the only way to,
to you have to participate in order to keep up. Because then
all of a sudden, you know, forget the comments part, I just
I don't know what to eat, it seems common seems like the
easiest to implement, since we've already done a lot of
work. And I see it working on podcasts, index.org. Reviews,
five stars likes all this stuff. You know, now you have to go to
Spotify, you have to be I guess you can leave a star rating on
Spotify or on boron, Apple, you know, that make it make it one
in whatever app you're using, and make that immediately ping
across all the apps, all the apps can start highlighting
things that they see that they see trending based upon the
people that are listening to certain podcasts in their app.
It's so powerful. I mean, I just I get goosebumps thinking about
how powerful we would be as a group. And literally all you
know, the tide lifts all the boats in this case. Now we know
Franco will never do it, but I'm just saying.
Dave Jones: It's funny ESA, you mentioned that there was a I was
having a thought I was just trying to envision over the past
few days, what a like a boost verb would look like. And just,
it could be anything, it could be a like, or a star rating or
whatever. But I was just trying to think of that in my head.
What? Because that's an action too. Yeah, I mean, you're not
you're not just following you know, you'd follow up podcast
you like a podcast.
Adam Curry: Although I find that a little confusing to you. I
personally prefer to not confuse booster grams with although How
about if you just do to boost verb and a streaming verb? Ie I
stream 200 sets per minute, or I boosted this amount without the
without the comment part. I'm just trying to separate those
two because I think that's very confusing.
Dave Jones: Yeah, I mean, number one, we need this is this feels
so wrong to have a almost it's as such as consistent discussion
about activity pub every week without a jingle to didn't
delineate where this you know, when we're doing this, and when
we're not. We don't have any hot hot activity pub talk jingle,
and it's bothering me.
Adam Curry: Well, I do I do. I do have this, if it helps.
Dave Jones: That does help. Yeah, helps
Adam Curry: it it's not exactly what we want. But it helps, it
helps. It's close.
Dave Jones: It's almost there. It is. So number two, like, I
think I chose the boost. In mentally I think I chose boost
for that reason, because it's a little confusing, okay, because
I was thumbing through this. Yeah. And I was like, well lit.
Why watch us the easy stuff like a like, I mean, that's good. We
already everybody knows how to do all that already. But what
would it? Because if you let me, let me let me kind of reset
here. I guess my thought is, if if we're describing an activity
pub vocabulary for things that happen to interact with a when
people or bots or whoever interact with a podcast, or even
when podcasts interact with other podcasts, if we're
describing a vocabulary of specifically verbs? Will you
have to think about which ones will and will not work? So
which, which of the things we do now, when it comes to podcasts?
or do any of those just not work as verbs? And I was like, Okay,
well, what do you what do you do with a podcast? You, you play a
podcast, you boost a podcast, you download a podcast, I'm
just, I mean, none of these. Some of these don't apply, but
I'm just thinking through all of the things that or actions that
you do to a podcast. And boost. I'm like, Is that does that
work? You know, just kind of sitting through that. I'm like,
Well, I don't know. I mean, what would that what would that be?
It's not like you can't send you can't send sets through the
message itself, but you could do it all out of band and then send
a proof of payment, maybe well, you know, I'm
Adam Curry: I want something that everybody can participate
in and you don't. Okay, two things. One is confusing. What
is a comment? What is a play? What is a boost? I understand
what you're saying. But not every app has V four V in it.
And I don't want it to seem like, well, I can't really
participate because I don't have boosts in my app. And it
immediately makes people you know, the detractors go, there.
They are the crypto boys where I would prefer something that
everybody gets comments, and we have already done so much work.
No,
Dave Jones: I totally agree with all this is not. We're not We're
not on different sides here. Okay. I guess the only reason I
brought it up was because I wanted to, to choose. And you're
right. I mean, the the anti crypto stuff gets kicked up
every time. But this really was a first thought because I was
thinking, do all of these things that we do to podcast? Do these
all work as activity pub because I think we need to think through
these things. And say, which, which actions in which actions
are actually usable as verbs in an activity pub scenario? We see
what I mean, no,
Adam Curry: I understand what you're saying. I'm, I'm not
looking at from an activity pub scenario. I'm looking at it,
what do you want to work on one app that shows up on the other
apps? The two things that I can think of are comments and
ratings, though, because comments will become reviews
kind of by themselves via a review of an episode or review
of a show, etc. Just whatever someone comments is always it's
always kind of a review, a comment about about that
particular entity, that item. But imagine ratings of Matt, you
know, maybe it's just, you know, it's just a five star selection,
whatever it is, it's the stuff that people already do.
podcasters are already saying, hey, hey, would you please go
over to Apple, and please leave me a review and rate the
podcast. I mean, this is this is something that people already do
and all the other ones. I mean, it literally is this, it's blue
sky, man blue sky all the way for this. And here's what I was
thinking just to move it along. The I be happy, I don't know if
this helps anybody. But I would be happy to host an if I have to
moderate IE, kickoff spammers to set up an instance that the app
devs can use. So they wouldn't have to deal with this stuff.
For people who don't have. You know, for people who don't, who
don't have an account on the, on the fediverse your users who
don't have an account, if you need a quick sign up place for
your users. And in essence, you're thinking they never even
see that because they're they're looking, they don't even know
that it's, you know, what's happening in the background,
they just need to surface it in the app, I'm happy to host an
instance. You know, you have a separate invite link for your
users. So you know, not not everybody would try to keep the
junk out of it. Basically. If, if that's something that's
needed to kickstart this, I'm happy to do that. I know a lot
about, you know, managing a mastodon instance, if that would
help to get it going. I'm happy to do that. I don't know if that
makes any sense or not.
Dave Jones: Yeah, no, it does, I guess, at this part of me wants
to say no, that we shouldn't did that, that we shouldn't do that,
because that's kind of a crutch, okay? Because it's easy to just
sort of offload some of these things on to other services. And
then you end up with you know, with a single point of failure,
and a lot of depend a lot of dependency. And whereas if this
thing, if this idea is going to work, in general, and the idea
being a marriage of activity, pub and podcast and RSS based
podcasting, it really needs to work from the beat from the very
beginning, where everybody is doing. Everybody is
participating as an actor fully right up within their own, you
know, it doesn't mean there can't be helper services that do
a look that come along and say, Okay, well, I'm going to use
this service me. Here's, I'm afraid of becoming dependent on
us on a central third party service the way that we if we're
gonna be dependent upon Alby
Adam Curry: I'm with you, I got you. I'm with you in in Yeah.
So. So let me say this, then, let me say this about that. If
you If, I mean, the main thing that that developers always
need, this is what I learned early on, developers always need
stuff to be flowing through it. It's very tough. If you know
like, I'm gonna build all this great podcast stuff, but there's
nothing really out there that's publishing it, which
Dave Jones: is why write to a spec in a vacuum. Exactly.
Adam Curry: The no agenda show has been publishing socially
interact tags, since its inception, almost since its
inception. In fact, I think we incepted part of it, every
podcast that I do this one as well, but the no agenda show is
a big podcast. And, and 1000s 1000s of very active
listeners, post comments, when I post the social interact route
post, you can see that at podcast index.org, and it
threads beautifully, and it works beautifully. So out of the
gate and beyond, I would promote any apps that are doing this, if
you if you're putting that in there, you're on high rotation
with me.
Dave Jones: Oh, high rotation?
Adam Curry: Yeah, of course. You know, I will promote the crap
out of your apps to make sure that people use it. And I'll say
check this out. And you can also see it on that. I mean, I will
do everything I can to move this forward. Because it is it is
good for everybody. It is something that that the big the
so called big players won't be able to participate in. They
can't. But it is such a huge, unique selling proposition for
the independent apps. And let's face it, the apps are coming to
where we are we've got Pocket Casts now saying that they're
going to implement the the chapters.
Dave Jones: That was a big Yeah, I was super excited to see them
actually doing some movement.
Adam Curry: From what I understand pod bean of all pod
bean is now implementing value for value with with streaming
SATs. This has happened to get people this has happened.
Dave Jones: And there's another there's another person that I've
been talking to that you know about that we can't really
discuss yet that is also doing some pretty cool stuff. We're
about to release some pretty cool stuff with chapters.
There's Yeah, it's okay Todd there's motion.
Adam Curry: But also value for value music is catching on,
artists are starting to understand what's happening.
They're starting to see payments showing up in their in their
wallets. And it says you know, you got this from booster gram
ball or homegrown hits and, and they're starting to they don't
really understand what's going on. And by the way, thank you
Chad F is one of the people who promotes the heck out of that,
you know, a lot of these artists are kind of stuck on noster. And
they're like looking for zaps. And they you know, they don't
know what's going on. It takes a while to wrap your head around
this stuff. And now they're starting to say well wait, hold
on a second. This is coming from a musical me he listened to the
show, and they're telling other artists exactly the way it
should work. This stuff is happening is happening. And now.
It's it's a bit by bit and then all of a sudden that you'll see
it starts to snowball, and it goes real fast. Particularly
when people start paying attention to the namespace. What
else is in there? Developers love this stuff. Oh, what else?
What else is in that? In that namespace spec? I know that's
how it works. Oh, this cotton This people are publishing
content by the hundreds of 1000s Oh, well. Let me add that to our
app as well. It's inevitable. So it's all really really good. I
would just like to stay one step ahead. And get everybody ready
because most of the activity pub I'm sold on it I mean I am so so
it took me a while but I'm so this is this is the way forward.
It's beautiful. And I understand it's daunting and it's
confusing, but it's worth spending a weekend just diving
in and see if you can figure out how it works in your framework
in your in your application.
Dave Jones: Yeah, we're we're gonna have we're gonna have Sam
on and I'm sure you'll have a lot of ideas about this too and
then as soon but I just I want there to be I guess the reason
I'm thinking this through so much and is that you could end
up if you don't if you're not careful, you could end up with
like a chair you could end up with like chair pants. Have you
seen chair pan?
Adam Curry: No. To explain chair pants. Chair
Dave Jones: pants are like these stupid pants that are have like
a frame built into them where you can just basically at any
moment you can just sit down and it becomes
Adam Curry: Yes, yes. Okay. No, I think we're gonna have 100,000
of them in Fredericksburg for the Eclipse. Yes.
Dave Jones: It's It's like, it's a does it? Does it function?
Yes. Is it a good idea? No, it's dumb. Right? So like, there's a,
there's this point you get to, I get to this point in the with
the activity pub bridge, where I was like, Okay, I was like,
alright, alright, I got, what do you want to do you want to
follow? Okay, got that. You want to get notified? You know, which
is getting notified of new episodes. Alright, guys got
that. Am I okay? What else? I don't know.
Adam Curry: I could couldn't Oh, no, I think of Oh, yeah, no, I
think I think there's plenty. And, you know, it's almost like
the hashtag. You know, the hashtag wasn't invented by
Twitter. The hashtag was invented by the users of
Twitter. Yeah. So these things will present themselves, I
think.
Dave Jones: Because, because I can think I could think up like
10 or 12 different things in a minute. And they were all like,
less goofy. I mean, like, yeah, it would work. But nobody's this
is gonna be like this little thing that nobody cares about.
And I just don't want a bunch of, I just don't want to bundle
a bunch of cheer pants running around the podcast. We're in a
2.0 world where everybody's like, yeah, that's weird.
Adam Curry: Well, comments are not weird.
Dave Jones: No, no. And then we and we, that already works.
Right?
Adam Curry: But I still have we're three years later. And I'm
still pleading. And I think we've solved most of the issues,
the users are there, the moderation is there. The quote
unquote, control is there, the infrastructure is there, the
infrastructure has been tested. It's been stress tested, more
and more. platforms and devices and things are being connected
to the fediverse. It's an obvious place for podcasting to
be and no one else can do it. But us.
Dave Jones: I mean, it's, it's there, he gave some that people
just have added developers just got to get to the point where I
guess where they ran, where they don't have more important things
on their list. And they didn't do that. I guess. I don't know.
I don't know. I don't know what
Adam Curry: defeatist
Dave Jones: is, but I don't know what there's nothing else to do.
You know, what I mean, with with the comments, like comments is,
it's just, it's right there. I can't like we can't make people
do it. That's the that's the
Adam Curry: thing. Oh, I know, all the tech is there, right.
But that's why I'll just keep talking about it. It's the
Dave Jones: easiest one, it's the easiest part. Because
because it's all you don't there's no you don't have to do
new activity pub objects. You don't have to get standard us
some new schema. All the comments are just like the
ability to post a note object with activity Pub is so simple.
There's not even a following that has to happen. I mean, you
just posted it's just like so easy in there. Nobody's doing
this. I don't know. Well,
Adam Curry: there you go. That's it. Well, I was very excited.
Now I'm just all depressed.
Dave Jones: I just crapped all over everything. I'm sorry.
Adam Curry: Okay, these pupils are driving me crazy. We have to
explain what's going on there is our guest today is so famous. He
basically has a one night he goes by one name like Madonna or
prince. He is the prince of podcasting. The Prince of
podcasts music ladies and gentlemen. We'd like to welcome
to the boardroom. The one the only you've heard of him you've
never will have you really heard him his voice my Yeah, but this
is the first time in the boardroom. Please say hello to
blueberry.
Boobury: If you want to get really technical it is it's a
Sobey blueberry moth man at the mini pocalypse freak of Hazzard
in the horror of Yag
Adam Curry: now there's a show title for you right there
Dave Jones: it wasn't my character limit blueberry was
what what what
Adam Curry: are you on on ring today? Yeah, why are we hearing
all these these sounds and stuff what exactly is going on in the
background here?
Boobury: I'm pretty sure that's coming from Dave if he's got the
booth scoreboard open he would need to mute that now it's
Adam Curry: me I have it open I have it open but
Boobury: it's still it's still playing the pews sound because
I've got pretty much everything on lockdown except for IR off
any tests and stuff like in the in the
Dave Jones: back in a me because my stuff can't come back through
the streams. No, I'm deficient.
Adam Curry: I have I have the scoreboard open here and then I
haven't heard any other sounds and the pew pew I don't know. I
don't know why should it be should I be getting other
sounds?
Boobury: I don't know how half this stuff works. Okay.
Dave Jones: All right. Well, maybe we should tell everybody
where to go though if they want to follow along, right? This
would
Boobury: it scoreboard dash beta dash flax dot versal dot app. Is
the scoreboard that Eric PP is coded up for us. Why
Adam Curry: don't you open up your open up your sounds?
Boobury: I do have a moment.
Adam Curry: All I'm hearing is peers. I'm not hearing the crazy
now I'm going to close mine. I'm pretty sure because what's
happening what I understand is that the way this is all rigged
up, and of course I have blueberry, there you go. That's
the first time I heard. Can you lower the level just a little
bit though? Oh, yeah, I gotcha. Is, is he has has I don't know
who but what's been rigged up is a boosting scoreboard. So
imagine you're looking at asteroids or space invaders and
you're kind of
Boobury: like Galaga Galaga was the inspiration for it. So as
far as like the star pixels in the background, the red and
yellow, cyan and white.
Adam Curry: So it's a public. It's a public page that shows
who is boosting. If you boost special amounts, it triggers a
special sound. Which and I don't know what they are, but we'll
hear them as as we move along. And then it so right now it just
said Dobie das boosted 5000 SATs from fountain I want to be on
the scoreboard. So that just popped up on the screen. And
then it goes back to the to the it's like a top score. And the
app that apps that have that have been boosted from it's a
beautiful idea. i This is so cool to watch.
Boobury: Yeah, pretty much just threw together a mock up in
Photoshop and send it out to a couple of people to see if
there's anybody that'd be willing to get it coded up for
us. And we're actually planning on projecting that at the venue
tomorrow on the wall. Okay,
Adam Curry: so first, tell us a little bit about yourself, man
to people to give us your background how you got involved
in 2.0 in the music stuff, so we just have so people who are just
tuning in don't think what what what have I fallen into?
Boobury: Ah, well, back in 2010, started going to college for
theater. And then graduated, started touring did Disney on
Ice for a couple of years works in theme park.
Adam Curry: Now were you skating or did you do other things?
Boobury: No, I was an electrician for the for the
tour.
Adam Curry: Okay. All right. That would be
Boobury: a pretty funny sight,
Adam Curry: but I don't know. I mean, I think everybody knows.
Okay,
Boobury: I'm finally figuring out what's going on here. IR
cacophony is only set up the trigger based off of the behind
the schemes feed. So that's why names goat wasn't coming through
earlier because he's boosted podcasting. 2.0 Okay, you have
now
Dave Jones: so many scissors flying around. Now a mound of
scissors. Yes.
Boobury: Have You Ever Have you ever wondered what it looks like
to tie scissors to a ceiling fan?
Adam Curry: Ever wondered. But I can see how it feels like it
right now. Yes, yes. Okay, I got I got it. So
Boobury: yeah, if if you want to play with the IR cacophony, just
boost the live podcast and 2.0 episode that's on the behind the
scheme's feed.
Adam Curry: Okay, I got you. That's why, okay, I see.
Boobury: So I did the theme park gigs, and right
Adam Curry: after all, as an electrician role.
Boobury: It's been, I mostly work as electrician Carpenter,
but I can do a lot of different stuff. It really just depends on
what's required for the gig, you know,
Dave Jones: theater, just general theater tech stuff
across the board, entertainment production.
Boobury: It's, you know, if I need to go climb a tree, that's
what I was actually doing. When I kind of fell into the
knowledge industry. I was up in a tree in El Paso wrapping
Christmas lights around it because I didn't have a job on
account with a Rona. Oh,
Dave Jones: okay. All right, right, because you were on tour
you were on tour with.
Boobury: Yeah, so in 2000 That would have been 2014 started
picking up Broadway tours as a system electrician did some
brake work as a props guy. And just rock that from 2014 all the
way up to 2020. In between, I'd work like there's a production
company here in town that does a festival and concert setup,
stuff like that. And I would work them during the summer and
then go out and tour during the winter and fall and whatnot. And
2020 is kind of when it was it was actually 2019 That summer,
maybe fall is probably around the time of that Easter egg
flare up in the news. Oh yeah,
Adam Curry: that's that was the real death. Death by vape. Yeah,
we got those bogus carta bogus THC cards. Just from China,
because I know what really happened, you know, I was like,
Oh, you're all gonna die from vaping Well, I'm still I've
never vape more in my life. And this past year, I'm still here.
Boobury: And it was about that time that I found the new agenda
podcast, I don't even know where I stumbled across it. It was
maybe a comment here in some last thread, I'm not sure. And I
was listening to that. That was pretty fortuitous timing, given
what 2020 was gonna bring. And I was on top of a ladder doing a
big lamp changeover for our entire rig and Ottawa and we got
the news. Oh, yeah. Theater is going to shut down for the
weekend. Wow, I never I never got to see all those lamps fire
on it was like $1,500 worth of lamps to buy.
Dave Jones: Okay, sound also,
Boobury: I you know, funny enough audio is probably my
weakest point in terms of production.
Dave Jones: All right, you said you toured with somebody doing
sound but I'm
Boobury: just in terms of like, being a swing technician, you
know, you can kind of fall into that place of like helping audio
guys out. But if you need me to, like tune a room, that I am not
your guy, you want me to run cable? I got you no problem.
Adam Curry: So okay, so everything shut down. And then
how did you find out about podcasting? 2.0
Boobury: That was the pandemic hobby was starting a podcast and
out the gate. I mean, if you go online trying to find
information about how to start a podcast, it's go to pod bean,
get yourself a Blue Yeti.
Adam Curry: Ah, yes, champions right there. point
Boobury: point the Blue Yeti directly into your mouth like
you would any other mic, you know, not standing straight up
anyways. And, you know, I have to give a huge shout out a big
plus plus to avoid zero. And Darren No. This is both of their
faults that we're talking right now. Because I made the fatal
mistake one day of getting into the troll room guy, and that'll
be there. Yeah, from there it was. He knows such like, an
insignificant thing, considering where we've all come but there's
like this real test to getting voiced in the troll room.
Because I never messed with IRC before. I don't know what half
of this stuff meant. I still don't. But you know, it just it.
It made you wanted to figure it out. Because I want to you know,
I want to see what all these people are doing. I want to talk
with them. This sounds really cool the Rock and Roll pre show.
I mean, that's, that's the thing that really got me involved in
the chats and whatnot is just submitting songs that Dario
finding out about grumpy old Ben's finding about bowl after
bowl and rare encounter, and Nick, the rat and hogs story and
just from there that like that's, that became the rest of
my year. And I cannot recommend enough if anybody that hears
this is ever wanting to start their own sort of show, zero
node is the place to go. Because you've got a bevy of people that
have already been through these steps. And the information flows
freely. Yeah. And it is just it is such a beautiful Rube
Goldberg machines between isobar between gal, between, you know,
all of the booths triggers, it's, it's really a phenomenal
place. And that's, you know, that's kind of I've just been
hanging out in the troll room in the various channels since 2020.
I still remember standing in the HyVee parking lot going to get
groceries catching up on a episode of no agenda. And you
Adam were talking about he had this really cool idea about how
to change podcasts. And I was like, oh, that sounds
interesting. And I was a little late to the party. If it I
didn't really like get the bug until sir Spencer and I had done
we used to do a show called misinformed nation, which being
the intent was we would you know, was supposed to be like a
no like a biweekly no agenda stream review type of show where
you have this rotating cast of podcasters that would just be
bring clips of things that they had, you know, cut their
attention that they thought were interesting or something that
they wanted to critique, you know, not a straight up like,
Oh, we're gonna bash the EverLiving snot out of the show
or anything like that. It was mostly just like, we're gonna
meet up and talk about what we're listening to and if
there's any good recommendations, and he had
brought podcasts and 2.0 and we talked pretty thoroughly about
it, and from there it was probably episode 1718 And I
mean, I'd never bought Bitcoin before I had never messed with
an RSS feed. We started on pod bean and we migrated to pod
surf.fm which is a very reasonably price, sir service
and I would recommend them as a host. If anybody's looking for
somebody out there, we're probably going to be
transitioning. Because I offer them just because I want to get
to a point where we don't have to touch to RSS feeds two times.
Every Monday
Adam Curry: night. Yeah. Yeah, that gets old. It does. So,
okay, so then value for value music comes along, and you're
already right in the middle of it. And so how do you jump in?
Boobury: I mostly I just I had a collection of my dad's tracks.
It's the climbing the mountain you can find it It's a
compilation on podcasts and 2.0 and my original co host Malikai.
We'd actually started out with three guys. But Malikai is also
a pretty prolific Oh my God, what's the word prolific,
prolific musician, and he had had a sizable catalogue. So I
had, you know, both of these two artists like the rusty gates,
the Rainmaker. $2 hauler. You know, that's all.
Adam Curry: Rusty gates, I think was one of the there's not the
first track we played on podcasting. 2.0. It
Boobury: would have been the second I think you started with
just Oh, that's right. Joe
Adam Curry: Martin. Right. Then went right to Gates was the
second right.
Boobury: girl like me? Yeah. So I had these all this music that
you know, we've been playing this music forever on the show.
We have. Maybe since the 20s. On BTS, we've been playing 15
minute long intermissions every single week, which Fun fact,
when you have 100 plus of those intermissions saved up you can
just throw them onto a ice cast stream and we haven't like
incident radio station in a box. Just add water and shake.
Dave Jones: Yeah, yeah. Yeah.
Boobury: You know, all of that was Free Music Archive stuff,
you know, CC BY. And we're actually kind of in a in a
conundrum, because I don't know how we can put the new
intermissions that have the VTS is in them on a stream and
actually have those be boost double. I would definitely love
to be able to do that where you have something like the no
agenda stream just broadcasts and well actually,
Adam Curry: I think that the split kit has a mechanism for
that, but you have to use the Split kit as the playout. But it
does work. I've experimented with that you can put in an
entire music show and it will just it will sucking all of the
value time splits and little add them in to the to the live
stream. Okay,
so they have not had a way to do it. Yeah,
Boobury: I hadn't. I'd heard rumblings about that I hadn't
had a chance to play with. So
Dave Jones: I'm looking at your feed move. Marina says you're he
said you're on pod surf, but I don't but your feed shows
sovereign feeds.
Boobury: That's because every Monday I upload BTS and before
the schemes to pod surf, I take the feed that they generate, and
I hack away at it by hands. And then that's
Adam Curry: rough brother that's very rough. Every
Boobury: month, every Monday night when we sit down kick the
stream on 830 It's probably for 435 o'clock by the time we walk
away because we we do episodes back to back and then we post
produce both episodes back to back with all of the new chapter
art, all the value time splits everything just you know, get it
done, rip that band aid off. So then I think oh, the music. Yes,
Adam Curry: I think you really you really came into the picture
and started to shine really big besides the behind the schemes
work with with the Ainsley Costello just loud concert,
because you were basically boots on the ground for everybody. You
were pulling stuff together, there's the way it felt to me.
Boobury: So backing up just a little bit. Right after the
value time splits were debuted on podcast 2.0 We immediately
threw them into our feed. That's something that we had been
waiting for forever. Even back when David joined us on episode
101. We made sure to include all of the musician wallets for the
intermission. So this is something I've been like frothy
about and during that fall, we just started the Thunder Road
dot media website and we were working with musicians getting
their mp3 uploaded onto the website building feeds or the
music music side project. We're up to 80 plus feeds right now.
Wow. And yeah, and you know, it's just, it's just something
that I want to do because I want to be able to play all this
killer music. And I had heard that Ainsley especially with
given all the the hype around the podcasts and to porno debuts
that you were playing for her for and I saw that they were
going to be doing this concert Are and you know, first avenue
is spitting distance, basically, it's like 20 minutes or
whatever. And I just reached out and I said, hey, hey, now I've
got production entertainment, background of 10 plus years, I'd
love to be of assistance. And, you know, basically it was
trying to zip up. Because from what I understand, I don't
necessarily want to speak too far into this because I am a
little foggy on on the what actually happened so much has
transpired over the past couple of months. But the RSS
introduction was kind of a last minute tack on in terms of
actually broadcasts and the feeds through the podcasting
app.
Adam Curry: Oh, really? Oh, okay.
Boobury: And, you know, like, by last minute, I'm thinking
probably within the last month or so, but you know, don't don't
quote me on my outline. Like I said, it's just, it's, there's
so much both in work and personal life and the show
stuff. It's hard to keep track of, there's a lot of lore that
goes deep. And, you know, it was just a matter of trying to
bridge the gap between all of this experience with BTS and the
music, and the split kid, especially, you know, doing
these wallet, the wallet switches, because we've been
since summer, or maybe I'd have to go back, but we've been using
the split kit every week. Courtesy of Steven B. I mean,
that thing is so cool,
Adam Curry: though. I Phoebe loves it too. So Okay, girl, I
could not live without the split kit, for sure. Yeah.
Boobury: So it was just a matter of like it kind of just, you
know, being able to provide a little bit of production. We
rented some lights from the company that I worked for just
little two pipe, pipe and bass with some LEDs. And Frankie
Payne was out there helping me get loaded in and we streamed
everything and we BTS actually rebroadcast that along with
homegrown hits. That's something that's really fun, you know, fun
fact, if people want to do this, you can just copy and paste live
items out of other feeds and put them into yours. And if you're
doing rebroadcast
Dave Jones: that's, that's a great idea. Yeah, this is like
a, like a feed drop. But live for live for for a live event,
you know, yeah,
Adam Curry: it's a repeater. It's it's, you did you said,
copying the live item for this for this podcast and to put on
our live episode into the BTS feed is perfect. I mean, I had
never even considered that but it's, it's neither. A live
remote item is beautiful.
Boobury: And we'll be doing that on Saturday. But I guess since
we're at the end of December with Ainsley shows, you know,
that was I still like it still kind of messes me up just like
how much we got to witness happen. For Ainsley, for her
parents. For Frankie pain, Frankie pain is a technician
that's never bought Bitcoin and earn that first stack of sads
nice. Like, that's such a that is such a mind fudge, you know.
Adam Curry: So before we get to the next concert, which is the
reason why we timed you having on the show today. Tell me about
Thunder Road and, and how how are you approaching artists? Do
you find this a certain way that works better for them? What kind
of pushback Are you getting? What is your what is your
approach for onboarding artists and and explaining to them
what's going on?
Boobury: The it's funny, I have been way more, I've met way more
musicians have been receptive to podcasts and 2.0 then other
other podcasters realistically, it's pretty pretty bizarre. Fun
fact, the union of the unwanted appearance that you had done
recently, a lot of those dudes I have talked to some to a pretty
good extent about getting their feeds on boarded one of them
even in person purpley. So I'm excited to see those dudes catch
up here. And then we, in terms of just talking to the
musicians, it's like, hey, you know, if you've got a song,
let's get it onto our website, and I can build you the feed,
I'll do everything for you. And, you know, I'll get the feed
hosted on our website with the GUID transfers, which Dave You
and I had done that with rusty gate. It was on wavelike
originally, but we ended up moving and it's my website that
alerted me that like, I don't have to hold these feeds in
perpetuity for people I can, you know, realistically I want to
offload these at some point I don't want to post these forever
just because like the idea is you get people started you plant
those seeds and you can just trans groups like to like Ryan
Okada, 12 rides, I've got some of his, some of his feeds. And
I've told him
Adam Curry: everybody okay, yeah, you you're cutting out
Dave, are you losing all signal or just
Dave Jones: boom? No, no, I'm fine. I just think it's just on
boobers in
Adam Curry: okay. Yeah, we lost you for a second brother. Take
it back to Okay. Check, check, check, check. Yeah, you're good
now.
Boobury: So, uh, oh, sure, I lost my train of thought. Um,
yeah, it's just a matter it's just a matter of, you know,
reaching out to the musicians and seeing if they want to do
one song and if they do the one song and there's and that's the
cool thing is like these music shows we can just like, like,
hey, there's new music from this, these guys and we just
drop them into the chat and you know, they get a little bit of
exposure and they they like what they're seeing in terms of you
know, people just talking about their music, you know, all of
the value aside, just the fact that people are listening and
enjoying sorry, all of the Bitcoin aside, the fact that
people are listening and talking about and enjoying that music,
valuing it that that really spurs them into getting their
whole catalogue uploaded. And I've I've been informed that I
need to go back in at the right duration tags. That crushes my
soul a little bit, but we'll get it figured out. I mean,
everything is everything. Everything that we produce is
handcrafted.
Adam Curry: Small batch. Small batch. Artisan partners. Yes,
Dave Jones: yes, yes.
Adam Curry: You're doing such amazing work and I just want
everyone to understand when when you talk about value for value
and how it can work with smaller audiences were well over 160,000
Satoshis just of what you brought to today's podcast and
it's all you man you don't need we don't need music it's just
just have you on the show this great I mean that that really
shows the power of what community can do and you know,
you're bringing your community you're you're streaming live on
the on the other feed I mean, it's amazing what can be done
with a relatively small amount of people it's just it's
beautiful to see and I think this is the trend in general and
I think people are starting to realize it and I love the
evangelizing that you're doing and and which you've also done
just beautifully for this 12 rods concert for tomorrow tell
us about that. Before
Boobury: we go any further I do Oh Pete's are Seven Goats
because he was boosted in the podcasting 2.0 feed and out the
behind the ski one behind the screen ones so with the
boardrooms blessings I'd like to just go ahead and get this over
with that's probably the best for everybody okay.
Adam Curry: Victory oh man
Dave Are you all right?
Dave Jones: Not sure what just happened?
Adam Curry: I got some on me. Let me just wipe this off. I
don't know what that Guru is. But I gotta
Dave Jones: change the clothes Okay, that's something new in
the boardroom. Yes. Okay.
Boobury: I love that tribute che Yeah, that was a reason
Dave Jones: that I just I'm I'm sort of like this is not good
for my mental health. What I mean is watching this
Adam Curry: watching the scoreboard I had to shut down
the scoreboard it was it was it was drawing me in I was like,
Dave Jones: it's crazy focus and don't get anything done right
now.
Boobury: So there's, there's a lot of elements that we've been
building up with are these and this is gonna sound crazy, but
most of the things that triggers the stuff that we can do comes
from IRC. Is
Adam Curry: there a place we can go and see where we can find the
code to implement this or no to customize it? GitHub or
something that people can go to? Because I mean, I can see lots
of lots of things people would want to do with this. But it
seems like where do I find it?
Boobury: There's two places. Servo does have a GitHub
repository for IR cacophony, which is the IRC triggers. Split
kid is also has also introduced boost ISOs. And I didn't realize
I forget exactly how to set it up. Just because I got so much
piled up on the plates, but it is possible. It's just a matter
of making sure that you have the right live item in your
defaults. And then there's a menu inside the hamburger menu
that takes you to the boost. ISOs and you can set Oh,
Adam Curry: I'd never even see that boost board trigger board
soundboard. Holy moly. Yeah. Oh, that's cool.
Boobury: So you can do that. But yeah, the way our cacophony
worse is gal, which is my version of the booth spot,
servos cetera. She's amazing. And she relays the booths back.
And then IR cacophony is a Python script that's sitting
there reading the chat room, and just fires sound effects based
off of various key word triggers.
Dave Jones: Wow, did you ever did you ever get the lighting
thing working correctly?
Boobury: Multiple times, multiple times. So that that's a
little more caveman than I would like it. But as it stands,
right, well, the first version was using Hello pad. And hey,
citizen, Peso doesn't turn me on to this open source software
called QL c plus, which is a free and open lighting software.
And in there, it's got an audio trigger widget and you just give
it an input and it will sit there and fire lighting chases
based off of how you know how you program it. So just
Adam Curry: just to distill it down so what can be done now
which is great for live shows, which I'm going to look at now
that I see it's in the split kit, the split kit.com You can
set it up so that if if someone boosts a certain number, a
certain amount that will trigger a different sound Yes, that is I
didn't even know the see this. I didn't even know this was here.
It's been in front of me. I use the Split kit all the time. It's
it's been in front of me all this time. That's phenomenal.
And and it's really great because it you know, it works
inspirationally. aspirationally and auditorily it's fantastic.
Yeah,
Boobury: and like that whole kazoo pit that's something that
just became a necessity because Pete's are murders so many goats
routinely that he just needs background music so yes, I
Adam Curry: think I think I understand yes
Boobury: it's a totally just you know, it's the the epitome in my
opinion of taking a show and you know like really staking a claim
and brother
Adam Curry: let's take a little break here and then we'll come
back we'll talk about the about the concert tomorrow you of
course view as one of the few guests on the show email this
morning early with your wallet and and with a song you want it
so what are we going to listen to?
Boobury: We are going to be listening to a damn good
haunting by mellow Cosette they're going to be kicking off
our live stream tomorrow at 6:30pm Central in the
Minneapolis check it out.
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Adam Curry: You well now kind of kicks butt I would concur. mela
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Dave Jones: you that the the church is not a place you go as
you are the church you carry it around with you like blueberry.
Behind the scheme's is not a podcast. You listen to it, it's
wherever blueberry is. So he basically turned this boardroom
into an episode of bond schemes as recently what happened today
Adam Curry: Dave, you do a invites brother. You're in
charge of all that man.
Dave Jones: I know. I know. I apologize to the entire
boardroom. So yeah, so
Boobury: let's after after the concert with Ainsley, I'd called
him to the our big dumb mouth podcast live every Wednesday and
Saturday. And I had told him, you know how the concert went,
and I was very excited. And someone from the Minneapolis
Perry, emailed the Thunder Road, email, and was curious about how
they could do something similar and we had talked a little bit
back and forth. He plays in a band silver seed who check him
out on Ellen beats. And you know, it communication just kind
of fell off. And this is right around the time I went down to
Kansas City a couple of times, I was setting up, Spencer and
Lorien with their own bustable disco ball. They've got a
lighting rig set up down in there in the bowl, where every
time they get a boost, there's a little chase of LED lights and
then a disco ball lights up. They've got their own cast video
stream that it's the background for their stream. It's it's so
just perfect. And after we kind of got that figured out. I was
sitting at lunch with the supervisor and I was telling
them about the Ainsley show and the venue. That email from Perry
kind of came back up and I looked it up on the Google Maps
and the warehouse was five minutes down the road from where
we were having lunch. And I was like, Oh, it is Game On, called
Perry basically showed up that day. And within 24 to 48 hours.
They said let's do a show April 6 12 rods is going out on tour.
And we'd like to do a little like pre tour kickoff for them.
And that really just that is what kicks off the last month
and a half in terms of just trying to get everything ready.
We're we're bringing the scoreboard which we've already
kind of talked about. Thank you Eric, VP for getting that set
up. We're gonna have that projected in the venue so that
people can see it. We're gonna go nice,
Adam Curry: nice. Oh, yeah.
Boobury: Oh, yeah, dude. Oh, yeah. And we're going to have a
48 inch disco ball that's going to be lining up. I've actually
got a LED licos in here at my feet that's been lining up a
floor. This is like my second time to actually
Adam Curry: crop so you Actually, you're taking the
whole boosting experience back into the IRL with with stuff
flashing and flipping off while people are booths. Will you have
QR codes for people to use during the show? I
Boobury: hope so. I was kind of messing around with the get
Alby. I just I don't know which QR codes to use. That's
Adam Curry: the thing. It's not a split kit thing that you that
you use for that. Oh, you're right. Yeah. Split kit. Yeah.
Boobury: Yeah. All right. Yeah. And we'll have split kit
running. One
Adam Curry: day, someone's gonna document all this and it'll be
the way that concerts are done. I'm telling you, right, you can
be sitting at home, you can do something on your on your app,
and you're gonna see lights flashing at the venue itself.
It's this is a this is powerful. Unfortunately,
Boobury: unfortunately, I think we're going to kind of run out.
I mean, there's we're going to run out of time today, but
there's so many just like, oh, we can try. Okay, I'll give you
one. Give me one. You'll appreciate this.
Adam Curry: How old are you man? How old are you?
Boobury: I'll be 33 at the end of July down in Nashville. magic
number.
Adam Curry: Dave now I understand young man. Yes,
that's right.
Dave Jones: Yeah, he has energy. Yeah.
Boobury: Oh, god, yeah, it's, it's really just kind of bring
into the table. Everything that we've been, you know, trying to
not trying that we've been doing for the live podcast. And so
we'll have the boost of all disco ball, it should be
lighting up. We're going to have a boost bot overlay on the video
stream. I've actually got hex chat output into a text file for
OBS. Of course, why not? That will be overlaid on the bottom?
Of course you do. Yep. There's, we we start the pre stream at
530. We've got one hour of music videos from songs were found on
Ellen beats, we'll have the split kits set up ready to go so
that as you're watching the pre show, stream, all the wallets
will be changed for split kit, podcast guru. There's a little
something something special, it's going to be actually
kicking us from the pre stream into the live feed. I've been
accused of spoiling stuff in the past. So I'm sitting on this
one. And there's nothing that anybody can do to Mattamy Yeah,
good man.
Dave Jones: Oh, hell yes. And then.
Adam Curry: And our guests brings his own sound drops. It
doesn't get any better than that. It's
Boobury: all I have. I have so many. I have so many brother,
Adam Curry: your enthusiasm, your enthusiasm is infectious. I
love this. I think that you're changing the way live music is
just live music in general. With this integration with with 2.0
and with the value verse. This is very exciting. It's it's a
it's messy. I love that about it. Because this is this is
where beautiful things are born man. I'm very. Can I say I'm
proud of you, son. I love this. This is good. Good stuff.
Families. Thank you, ma'am.
Dave Jones: You're not. But you're not a developer. Right? I
mean, this. You're not No, not right. Oh,
Boobury: my, my, my history or I guess, experience with computers
is pretty much MySpace and some Adobe court back in the day when
we were homeschooled. Wow.
Dave Jones: Wow is the most this is the best part to me, of, of
this, of this board meeting is that you look at all the stuff
that is getting strung together in by you and Spencer and and
all the people in the IRC. And it's, it shows to what what I
take away from that is that look at all this stuff that was that
has been built and strung together. What What if we put
actual protocols on top of this, you know, actual standard
protocols like activity pub and that kind of thing and put these
on top to where they're linked together in a way where you
don't have to do a bunch of like stringing of disparate parts
together where you can actually link them together in a coherent
Yes. Protocol, then this, then you're then you're then it's not
just siloed into one IRC channel is in its you you do a lot is
anybody can do a live podcast. And they can just pay they can
just hit go and you get all the parts. Like I just think that
there's a lot to learn from watching. You guys put all these
things together, because I get stuck. But I think all of us as
developers we get stuck sometimes as is what I said a
while ago. I'm building activity pub bridge and I and I hit this
point I get I get a couple of days. So it's done. And I'm
like, Well, that's it. I'm out of ideas. But then you guys come
along and do like 50 things. You're You're murdering goats.
You're doing all this wild stuff. And I'm like, and putting
together scoreboards on the internet. I'm like, oh, yeah,
wait, there. There is like a lot of other things you could do.
You just I just didn't have the language to describe it or the
ideas to like express it. It's cool. It's very, very cool
Adam Curry: so, just looking at the scoreboard so far 208,585
SATs for this podcast being boosted. That is well over $135.
You know, a lot of bands will pay that amount to play.
Boobury: Yeah, no, I'm saying we, you know, this concert has
been, you know, produced via the same way that we've been doing
the show every week. We've asked people for value. We've tried to
do what we could to provide value up front. That's been kind
of interesting. Like, it's not just the lighting stuff that
we're doing for this concert we've sown and made banners that
we're going to be flying. They've been painted with, you
know, it's under road media, Taylor sound and then you know,
the actual like titles of the concert.
Adam Curry: Man and brother. Do you know do you have a full time
job as well? I
Boobury: have have bounced between two jobs. I just got off
the road with REO Speedwagon Sunday.
Adam Curry: Beautiful
Boobury: in the past 10 to a that was a great time. This guy
is still ahead. Oh, I
Adam Curry: bet. I bet they do. But we could talk forever about
this stuff. And it's in thrall and we do have to thank some
people also have to get Dave out of here on time, so
Boobury: just let me just say real quick because I'm actually
I probably do have to dip right now because we have to go pack a
truck. Saturday. Search 12 rods, Tory clips in your podcast and
2.0 app that will show you the live feed, we're going to be
kicking that on 536 30 metal cassette takes the stage 730
will be 12 rods. Thank you, Tyler. Thank you open mic. Thank
you, everybody that's helped us get to where we are to go load
in today
Adam Curry: and where and where do we find it in the podcasting
2.0 apps.
Boobury: You can search 12 rods you can search tailor sound okay
behind the schemes and homegrown hits are going to be doing a
rebroadcast and we're going to be live in tune stir.io And on
the no agenda stream. Wow.
Dave Jones: There's a video string is which which one is the
video stream? They should send you're gonna have a note the OBS
lay overlay and yeah, all
Boobury: of them all of them should be the video stream.
Okay, agenda one. Yep. I'm gonna dip out but my last little bit
of karma
right. Give me all for letting me hop on. I really appreciate
it and I will talk to you also very soon. Thank you very
Adam Curry: brother. Thank you so much. We appreciate it. And
we'll be watching man have a great time. Okay, Dave. I'd
learned something Dave. We've just looked at the ground.
Dizziness will go away. It's okay. Room was scanning for me.
I had to stop for a second. There you go. This is actually
helping. All right. I'm going to try and run through a whole
bunch of these booths that came in it's a little bit out of
control. You know them not all of them are boosted Graham's
thank God just got 1000 SATs from Ainsley Costello go
blueberry 34,567 from Dred Scott love the show can't fight that
feeling anymore. Mary Kate Ultra three hearts in a lightning bolt
with a row of ducks 2222 A non will not beat me says na
millennial with 1000 SATs Tico Tico from DeLorean at 88
homeschoolers rule from shred word 500 SATs and other 5000
from cool stuff. We may not be prepping the door full verse to
host live concerts one day soon. I love that. That's very cool. D
D web 3210. Will the advent of cross app comments resulted in
fewer booster grams and lower monetization overall? Well, no.
This is what I initially thought with. With fountain surfacing
those it turns out that the answer is no it's you still have
to do the same amount of work for value for value you have to
ask for value. Remember that booster grams are not comment
with a payment it's it's a value support with a comment. That's
the way it works and that's the way it still is working 1001
from angels Eat Minneapolis 10,000 from DS laughs artisanal
small batch and handcrafted podcasting what they hate to
admit is I'm here for the tech talk. It gives away your nerd
status love what you're doing with music features when there
was a lot of nerdy stuff in there. Tell you, pew, this man
pew the booth Pfeiffer 1821 Then we got paid tar with his
incredible sequence of 6666 DeLorean sacrificing this goat
in the name of d mu i remember when boobs put like 33 splits on
the behind the scheme's episode to play the pioneers. April in
the week and the wolf long before the split kid
revolutionize the scene. Thank you, DeLorean Ainsley was
listening the whole time he gets 2100 SATs blueberry rocks,
Curtis Peterson 10,000 SATs just wanted to hear the Pew Sam Sethi
Okay, something different from Sam 1000 SATs true fans has
enabled pod roll discovery if your show is listed in another
person's pod roll we can show that in your page. You can link
you can click on that show we will have the same for any music
played on a music cast show you can then link to the music link
and go to the backside of this discover this is what James was
working on. Yeah, so you can he's reverse reversing the pod
rolls by the way sam i i added another another show to the pod
roll and I don't see it updating on on pod fans yet so I don't
know how you update the fans got true fans I'm sorry. But I would
love to see that update. Anonymous blueberry rules when
an exciting time for Wii for Wii hard hat. Mini striper boosts I
want to be on top blueberry himself with ADA ADA does this
thing on Yeah, it is. I want to be on the scoreboards as Dobby
das with 5000 SATs and a millennial 6666 Is this
annoying? No, not at all. When you send us money No, it's not
annoying. 6969 from Dred Scott 7777 from Mike Newman Periscope
up thank you for your courage y'all any recent merges? 3333
from anonymous go boop blueberry salted Crayon 777 Beef milkshake
2.0 test then I'm only doing the booster grams here sir Spencer
while we sow we live scoreboard now in the boardroom Long live
brewery hail Eric peopIe put me in the screencap Ainsley again
scoreboard blueberry for the win 2100 Gay dead goats from na
millennial quackquack says dribs Scott we've got Eric our podcast
Space Invader vibes with that scoreboard. 3333 go podcasts and
then for yard work gents. For Macintosh 2100 Sam Sethi you
alive. Let's go. 1000 SATs Eric p p 33 333. I'm almost there.
Dave Jones: Yes. Hang in there. Yes.
Adam Curry: Then I hit the delimiter. So oh, there we go.
Okay.
Dave Jones: Take a breather. Bad. shoulder shoulder shoulder
massage. Yes.
Adam Curry: Thank you. And turn on the massage chair. Yeah,
perfect. We
Dave Jones: got some. Get some paper towels. We get Oscar marry
$200 Whoa,
Adam Curry: thank you very much.
Unknown: Stock calm. Carla. 20 Blaze. Ohm am Paula. Thank you,
Adam Curry: brother. That's great.
Dave Jones: We got Yeah, so I talked to Oscar in email. He
said he's got the the fountain relay pretty much beats he said
his set is stable. So we should be able to start hooking into
that to do some bridging on that overt act. Ah, nice. Nice. Nice.
Yeah. Okay, so hopefully hopefully get that going soon.
You were evidently on a show that I didn't know about. In
because we got a couple of boosts I mean, papers about
that. Elizabeth Pavlov sent $100 Oh
Unknown: Sakala
Adam Curry: on Ambala the union of the unwanted yes
Dave Jones: it's just heard you on decentralized TV.
Adam Curry: Oh, no, that's that's on Oh, that's Mike Adams
the health Ranger on Bridey on Yeah, I did that a while of your
honor. You did a variety I did it right on man. Yeah, I was
like now I'm officially in the club and talked a lot about
podcasting 2.0 If I can recall so that that might that might
have done it. Yeah,
Dave Jones: didn't nobody says she says just heard you on
decentralize TV Glory. Glory be to God in the highest Welcome to
the family and the neighborhood. We live 20 minutes from
Fredericksburg. Oh, Michael and Elizabeth peggeleh.
Adam Curry: Well, micron Elizabeth let's. Let's have a
drink at Java ranch. Let's have a coffee.
Dave Jones: Thank you, Elizabeth and Mike. And we got a legendary
Hall of Fame. podcaster Dave Jackson. Yeah, he $50 Well,
thank you. Thanks to Adam for the kind words on decentralized
TV deeply appreciate it.
Adam Curry: I mean, what was I doing? I don't know whatever you
did. This interview was taped quite a while ago and I don't
know why but they hadn't posted it and then they said oh, no,
we're we're posting it tomorrow. And I did I did. I posted on on
podcast index dot social so people can find it there. Yeah,
didn't
Dave Jones: even didn't even know about this. We got a couple
of boosts. Sounds like Whoa This must have been a big thing. Up
Beats Music podcasts and is $3.33 how the boardroom I read
from chat F of course you did the marketing arm of podcasting.
Yes there were a few music artists in index that never even
heard of booster Graham ball nor podcasting 2.0 Taking a note
from Texas slim on this one. Why are you here? What are your
intentions? Better start learning the Bitcoin ethos
artists you're shooting you're shorting yourselves knowledge
about decentralization and value the time to wake up and put in
the work if you want to survive in this value space this ain't
and Spotify or apple that's right as we're getting your
handheld like a baby or over five by five in the pie. Wow,
Adam Curry: perfect boost perfect donation. Perfect,
perfect note and yes, I've been asking people on boosted gram
Balt please in your in your booster gram. Say I heard it on
the booster gram ball. And you know that work someone? One of
the artists right away was on Nastar saying well, I don't know
what this is Chad after the rescue. He slips in. Yeah, it
was beautiful.
Dave Jones: Why don't we get $1 from a video Cut Pro rue. Not
sure what nationality that is. But thank you. Thank you. All
right. We got some get some boosts boost. See boost. dwelve
sent us 5000 SATs the cast Matic. He says thanks for the
really good explanation of V four. V four v Adam and Dave. It
has really helped me understand the intent of values separated
from technology.
Adam Curry: A lot of people I'm glad we did that. Because many
people were like, Oh, I didn't know this. Thanks for clue me
and yeah, value number four value dot info if you want to
get a refresher or learn more or tell someone else about what
we're doing here.
Dave Jones: Karen at mere mortals send us essential
enrichers 1111 through Fanti says I've also heard there is a
very good podcast that explains value for value.
Adam Curry: I'm reliably informed. I've heard that value
for value podcast. Andrew
Dave Jones: grommets in us a row of dogs 2220 twos from the app
called wherever he is and he's going
Adam Curry: to be on pod news weekly review soon I hear which
I'm very I'm delighted about that.
Dave Jones: Yes, Sam always he always scoops us before we get
to talk to people yes snatches them from us. Well, that's
Adam Curry: Sam for you.
Dave Jones: Thanks for the V four v primer it's easy to miss
the forest for the trees appreciate the education and go
podcasting go podcasting
Adam Curry: yourself brother. The legendary Andrew Grumman
Dave Jones: RW Nash 2000 says they found he says because
you're doing things not just sitting back and complaining
hashtag V for V. Anonymous 5000 SATs through pod verse he says
LoL is sending notes through PayPal. I've had better luck
sending cash through the post office. Thanks, God. Thank God
for booster grants. No, no one from anonymous sleepovers. I
still don't understand this aversion to equating V for V
with tipping. If V for V isn't tipping, wouldn't it mean that
tipping your server isn't leave for V. I've seen the kind of
money earned by good servers compared to their hourly co
workers believe me, there's no shame in working for tips. While
Adam Curry: a podcast is not just the serve the serving of
the podcast, it's the whole meal. So you're getting a whole
meal and the servers in one but you're not being charged
anything upfront.
Dave Jones: That's the waiter and the maitre d all wrapped up
into one and the restaurant and the recipe in the restaurant.
Yes. Jean been 20 to 22 through cast Maddie says please keep in
mind that some of us don't use stats for advertising. Yes. In
to clarify my comments from last week. I only used advertising as
my exempt my core examples because advertising there was an
accusation made against Mitch that he was quote defrauding
advertisers and so I that was the core of my argument.
Understood but but yeah, but we use them we use them to have
some insight into if people are listening as you will know
listener engagement is tiny for most podcasters and the stats
are all we got and all like downloads is a stat but I don't
have anything else. That's all you got. That's that is true as
if that's what if you want to know things gene been 2222 A
says as a follow up I sure hope the activity streams ideas come
to fruition in a way that provides meaningful statistics,
irrespective of what ad tech cares about.
Adam Curry: It could and it'll be listeners choice to opt into
it and I can see why they would do that if you ask them.
Dave Jones: And we got we got a delimiter comic strip blogger
2000 SATs. He says, all our gringos Adam and Dave, dive into
a captivating podcast with Jean and Ben, where they explore a
variety of topics from gun shows to genetics societal issues and
the science behind COVID vaccines. For more information
about this podcast please visit their website at www just two
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Adam Curry: Yo CSB promoting all the podcasts. Thank you,
brother. Appreciate Thank you got monthly bonus
Dave Jones: yet we got some others. You got a pot. We got
pod page. That's Brendan over there, pod page. $25. Thank you,
Brandon. Thank you. Cameron rose longtime been with us forever
cameras. $25. Thank you, Cameron, and Chad Farrow. The
marketing $20.22
Adam Curry: not to pay a pound Hey pal ducks.
Dave Jones: Randall black $5. Joseph maraca $5 Emilio Cano,
Molina $4, Martin Landeskog $1 and Mark Graham $1.
Adam Curry: Wow, thank you all very much. It is value for
value. The value has been great today. We appreciate it. Of
course, we put blueberry and Eric peepee in the splits today
to make all of these all those wonderful sounds come alive and
to share the value of course, if you want to support podcasting
2.0 Not just this podcast, but the entire project go to podcast
index.org down at the bottom to read donation buttons one is for
the Whoa. Looks like whoa. Looks like we got some tally coin some
unchained coin. Know where Yeah, we got 33,010 Satoshis from
anonymous. Yesterday and on March 25. Keep it up. breedings
from the Netherlands lightning places.com 74,506 SATs.
Unknown: Sakala 20 is Blaze only Ambala. There is also
Adam Curry: a button. I'm sorry.
Dave Jones: What is that? What is lightning places that
Adam Curry: I have no idea. But something in the Netherlands?
Let me see lightning places.com.
Dave Jones: Let's see. Let's probably in Netherlands,
Adam Curry: I get a website that says lightning places.com Coming
soon. So they're coming soon. All right,
Dave Jones: some pre launch marketed as work and there's
Adam Curry: also a red donate button for your Fiat fun coupons
through the PayPal. We accept those Of course. Thank you all
so much for supporting us. We are here for the community and
we are proud of the legacy we'll all be leaving look at these
young kids like blueberry coming up who we thank, of course, for
for being on the show today. And our and our entire boardroom.
Thank you for joining us. We do it live every single Friday
afternoon. And I hope we'll have one next week. Dave because as
you know, we are in the totality zone here in Fredericksburg,
Texas. And you know, we've got the big the big solar eclipse
happening on Monday and who knows if we'll survive it.
Dave Jones: That's gonna be a bust because it's gonna be
overcast. It's I
Adam Curry: know 40% chance of rain, overcast? No,
Dave Jones: although many millions of dollars were made on
eclipse glasses for a thing that you're not even gonna be able to
see. Yeah,
Adam Curry: well, there's there's it was a it was a big
hype, I think was overhyped, despite the wet even before the
weather reports we were seeing in Fredericksburg that the
hotels were not fully booked up the Airbnbs were not fully
booked up. So I think people just got to a point where I'm
like crazy if the end of the world's coming I want to be at
home with my fridge. I want to watch TV. I don't buy don't have
to be a part of the destruction. Although we did get that nice
earthquake in the New York tri state area today. It was kind of
interesting. That's rare this, I'd say it's very rare. I lived
there for many years. I can't remember an earthquake in the
New York area. So we
Dave Jones: we didn't even mean we didn't even scratch one. We
didn't even hit one thing on my on my notes. But I did want to
like there's like 100 things I wanted to talk about. But I
didn't want to say thank you to Eric PP and Steven crater, they
fixed the TLV missing episode guity. Yes, thank you very much
on Win Win from the PR website. And I'm hoping I'm hoping next
next week since we'll have we won't have a guest next week. So
I'm hoping that we'll be able to dig into I want to talk about
the part the our podcasts index dashboard. Yes, because I've
been digging into that a lot because I want to talk about how
how we're going to use that. Okay, and then, you know, we had
this we, we did the publisher feed spec this morning, I put
put that into the namespace as a as a draft. Yeah. So we'll we'll
talk about that too. Yeah,
Adam Curry: maybe the music tags and all that stuff comes along
with the category
Dave Jones: He has so much to talk about Yeah. Yeah so much
Tommy the cat the categories because that that seems to be
the gist of what is needed right now we need the publisher stuff
there and we need the music. Like not It's not specifically
from us we need some of these keyword category type things.
Yeah. Yep. Think about that next week.
Adam Curry: Okay, well, you know, I'm glad it's just you and
me next week you bring your agenda and I'll just sit back
and make snide comments.
Dave Jones: Okay typical border Yeah,
Adam Curry: yeah, the way we usually run my brother I love
you thank you so much for for taking your lunch break to do
this. You going back I presume a lot more to do before April 15.
Pretty busy.
Dave Jones: Yep. Yeah. And hopefully hopefully, yeah, this
is this is straggler week. All the people that are hair on
fire. Oh my god, can you do my taxes?
Adam Curry: Alright brother, take care. Everybody in the
boardroom. Thank you for being here. We'll see you next Friday
right here on podcasts.
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