Adam Curry: Oh, podcasting 2.0 for May 3 2024, episode 178 is
Friday once again. Hello, everybody. I think we're on
summer Fridays. I don't know. I think we're in a good a good
season right now. Welcome to broadcasting 2.0 We are the only
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10,000 answers and say hello to my friend on the other end the
one and only Mr. Dave Jones.
Dave Jones: No, it was not a pegleg tightening that was a
that was written and tightening the microphone stand just before
we started here. It's
Adam Curry: like a dentist drill or something is like, is it
electric screwdriver? Left?
Dave Jones: Yeah, drill this. Yeah, wireless. Do
Adam Curry: you need a you need? You need to tighten up your
microphone stand with a cordless drill.
Dave Jones: It's a little concerning. So it's one of the
let's see, what is this? What stand stand is this? This is a
electro voice model 309 A
Adam Curry: Oh, ancient.
Dave Jones: Is it just the way it was just the way
Adam Curry: but where does it take a drill?
Dave Jones: It's it's one of those stands that comes? It goes
under the
Unknown: back. I didn't want to say that. I saw two in the in
the boardroom people. Calm down board members calm down. And
once in the board room going crazy.
Dave Jones: So it's one of those stands that like it doesn't go
up and then come back down. Like, you know what I mean?
Like?
Unknown: I really don't I
Adam Curry: really don't know why you mean it low profile?
Yeah, like you have. So I guess I'm still okay, maybe let me
understand wait for let me what's the model number? Let's
just let me type this. Look at a picture. What is what is this?
What is this thing?
Dave Jones: This This may just this may not be this the stand
actually, this may be the little holder for the mic. The shock
mount? Okay. Kind of funny, because there's nothing listed
on this.
Adam Curry: I have. I have the I'm an old school guy where I
want my mic, boom and arm coming from above. And it seems like
all the cool kids these days have heard that come from below.
You know what I mean? So the standard is low and it prompts
the mic up. It's holding it from underneath and I'm from oh, gee,
where it has to come from. From above. I want it hanging down in
front of my face. Hang it in front of my face.
Dave Jones: See, let's can't mount okay, maybe that's a that
makes sense. I hates an El Gato.
Adam Curry: El Gato. Okay. All right. Yeah, here it is. El
Dave Jones: Gato. Mic arm LP for low profile.
Adam Curry: Low Profile current wave. Oh, gotta
Dave Jones: wave mic arm. Yes, yes,
Adam Curry: I see it here. Okay, let me see.
Dave Jones: So you're a top you're a top and I'm a bottom is
what you're saying? match made
Adam Curry: in heaven. Yes, exactly. This is I don't like I
don't like being a bottom. I like to top I like the top much
but it feels like that would get in the way of my hands. Well,
Dave Jones: it's the it does kind of sometimes. So what but
the problem is I can't my my podcast area is so small. Yeah,
that like my screen is directly in front of me. And if I have
the if I have the arm in front, it goes right in front of the
monitor and I'm having to look around the monitor the entire I
mean around the corner. No, this is green.
Adam Curry: This is how the pros do it. I literally have my eyes
separating around the mic holder scenario. Splits my vision.
Absolutely. caps. And I've been doing that for 45 years. So
Unknown: yeah, this is what it is really annoying.
Adam Curry: But like I if I had any other way I think I would be
uncomfortable.
Dave Jones: It'd be something would be wrong. Yeah, you're
wrong. Yeah. It would feel very wrong. The only problem with
this L LP mic arm. Yeah. Is that it starts to like so I had to
drill a hole on my desk. You know to mount that to me? Of
course. Yeah, of course of course. So then it starts slowly
over time it starts to sag as the as the the bolt holding it
in from the bottom of the desk is slowly unwinds itself for
reasons I don't understand. So that's not good. Like, I'll note
I'll all sudden notice I can't move my mouse is hitting no
hitting the arm and I have to like go in there and I
Adam Curry: realized I need to take another picture of my rig
people have no idea I have it. field I have one of the coolest
setups you know I have a desk you always have a killer set I
had a desk made to order to size exactly for what I want it I'm
gonna have to take another picture I gotta clean it up a
little bit but
Dave Jones: Nathan I can't clamp it to the edge of the desk
because there is no edge of this desk this is a desk is an edge
list desk it's it's a built in this this this actually built
this whole room during the course of this show. I think
some people remember that like I built it around around myself as
well you know that at one point I was sitting on a five gallon
bucket during the show in there's so many letters like
this is like a built in desk in there it's It's surrounded on
all on three sides by wall like it's actually built into the
wall so they can it's a weird thing yeah all right.
Adam Curry: I just took a picture oh yeah a few I see the
boardroom I can post that off to put this online just put it into
the boardroom
Dave Jones: Can you do that
Adam Curry: then the benefit homeless
Dave Jones: should take picture this it's not a wise it's a
basically a weird it is.
Adam Curry: Hey, I'm glad you're tuned in and listen to this
boardroom as we sit around taking pictures of ourselves and
our gear in our podcasting
Dave Jones: in general is so freakin boring right now this is
probably more well you
Adam Curry: know why is because we're not like all the cool
kids. We're not doing video as I listened to two hours again, of
the new media show. Two hours, two hours about will your usual
the trend shows the trend is a trend is that all the kids are
doing video
Dave Jones: and swipe right. I do. I stick with
Adam Curry: it because I love them. I really do. But it's
getting harder to love them. It is just getting harder. It's
like I mean, was there any other talk except about that? Is Rob
Greenlee paid by someone to promote YouTube?
Dave Jones: He's well mean he's in he's with stream yard right?
Aren't they a video streamer. Okay,
Adam Curry: so that's it, then that's his job. Okay, well, I'm
gonna understand Come on. Just like the same conversation every
week. I'm going to be on a 15 hour plane ride. Video is the
way to go. That's all I hear. I did learn something else. So and
it kind of made sense. Actually. I learned a lot of things
because I learned a lot about the hosting business and and
kind of the the sausage of podcasting. And Todd was talking
Yeah, how the sausage is made. Did the ping go out? Do we get
the I did the live thing Do I thought I did. Make sure I'm
getting no no no, I'm getting I'm getting complaints. Yeah, I
didn't get a ping didn't get a ping. I'm pretty sure I
Dave Jones: know you're the tag isn't lit. But
Adam Curry: I I thought I did it. Okay, well I did
Dave Jones: five three now. I mean, it's the tag is the tag
still says pending? Now.
Adam Curry: I understand but I thought I had posted with the
live tag a fault. Okay, then it should go in a moment.
Dave Jones: gotta bust the cache. I sent you a picture of
my my thing did you
Adam Curry: see that? I don't know if I want to see a picture
of your thing. We're
Dave Jones: talking about sausage. You figured it was
appropriate
Adam Curry: this Oh wow. You need to put that in the chat.
Dave Jones: Well, you can you put it in the chat because
you're way to go. Yeah, yeah.
Adam Curry: We are. We are disaster. We are different. We
are different men. I mean, the picture of my thing is very
different from the picture of your thing.
Dave Jones: Okay, help it I need my mic arm is much longer than
your mic.
Adam Curry: i Yeah, yeah, man. You're right on the edge. You
got no room?
Dave Jones: The lie is horrible. It was so bad.
Adam Curry: I do love the bedside lamp. accessory.
Dave Jones: Oh to the lamp getting the pig.
Adam Curry: Oh yeah, the lamp guarding the pig. I like that.
That's a very that's very nice. I like that as an accessory. And
that is
Dave Jones: how my mouse is directly under the arm that's
when I start hitting the arm I'm like it it's sagging time to
time to tighten up
Adam Curry: bro. Surely you surely could get a little more
space than this.
Dave Jones: I'm in literally in a closet.
Adam Curry: I I've been there many times. For years and years
I was podcasting from the clue to remember that was my closet
the cluding
Dave Jones: Claudio Yeah, this you know the GC this DC the
shelf? This above directly above the monitor? Yes. Does it
shelves? Yes, that's a shelf and with bins on it. Oh, okay. That
is another shelf. And above that is another show.
Adam Curry: I'm gonna put these in the show notes since people
Like what is going on with these guys talking about? So here's
what I learned. All right, first of all, just to reiterate, doing
video on YouTube is the trend of podcasting. Remember that it's
the trend. What do you say? No, it's the trend. Don't fight the
trend. Don't fight all the people who just called up
YouTube. That's a podcast. Don't fight the trend. If you fight,
you're gonna lose, you're gonna lose, you're gonna lose out. The
industry is moving in this direction. Sure. I mean, I was
walking the dog last night and I think I'd let out an audible.
Like one of those sounds just as a dog's leave me what's wrong
with you, bro? It's going on? It was I couldn't take it anymore.
Yes, I mean, this is literally no other conversation.
Dave Jones: That's what I'm saying. Podcasting is boring
right now. It's just the all of it is boring. So
Adam Curry: here's what I here's what I learned on the new media
show. That and this of course, in your you recall, we went to
the second and only and definitely the last time I've
ever been to a podcast conference. You and I went to
Dallas and we had a session. Where did
Dave Jones: you use it? Second only and last time? Second was I
tried? My brain was like,
Adam Curry: hey, video, okay, just video. My brain is on video
mode. Okay, sir. The second time I've ever been. No, I think it's
the first and only No, it's the first and only time of No, no.
The first one was the award. No, the New Media Expo. I've been to
that. Okay. So this was, but this was the Podcast Movement.
And what did they do? And people are surprised when I see you
know, yeah. Hey, you know, we did a thing and we talked about
podcasts in Tupelo who was the keynote? No, no, they put us in
a little room at lunchtime. In the back. Yes, they did it but
but now I remember why. Because Todd is talking about Podcast
Movement in Washington DC, where they have course of purchase a
booth because this is their business. And and they said we
also purchased a session. I'm like, Oh, I forgot. These things
are play pay to play. If you want to Keynote you got to pay.
You gotta pay as you got to pay a gold sponsorship. I forgot
about that's not about podcasting.
Dave Jones: We didn't pay. We didn't put any Hey, no. Did it
behind the lunchroom? Yeah. And
Adam Curry: this is what a just a reminder, the very first
podcast, conference tooth, I want to say it was 2007 Maybe.
And, and the guys who set that up did for him. I think they did
the New Media Expo initially. And I think it was in Vegas. I
think I can't remember so long ago. They said would you do the
keynotes like yeah, you know, I really don't like doing
conferences. But yeah, I'll do the keynote. Okay. So and you'll
need to buy a gold sponsorship. What? What now? I heard the
story. Yeah. And so we literally went to Vegas and had an
unconference next door. Because it made me so mad. It's like
you're not about podcasts and these conferences on about
podcasting about making money off of podcasters.
Dave Jones: Well, Sam, Sam says he wants to do like an online
thing. Did you say that?
Adam Curry: Yeah. This is what I suggest that I said, Why don't
we do it online? Do it live and lit? And, and now I saw Benjamin
Bella Bellamy jump in and say, let's do it in Paris. Okay,
Dave Jones: in Paris. Yeah, he pays.
Adam Curry: I think it should just be online, make it live.
Make it value for value charge? Nothing. I mean, it'll cost some
time to organize it. But everyone can do it from home.
Now, what more do you need? Isn't this? I mean, if you want
to go and hang out and drink with people and spend money then
yeah, go to let's go to the go to the movement. Go to the move.
Dave Jones: I would. Oh, yeah, I would definitely hang out on a
live on a live thing. Or do a session or whatever. That sounds
like fun. I mean, I think I think having you know, like
doing a an event where there was a there's like a few hours where
different people teach different parts of podcasting. 2.0 That
sounds fun. And
Adam Curry: yeah, into so many questions. Yeah, I mean, how do
I set up my wallet? I'm a musician. How do I do it? I
mean, all these are great things I was just hearing on the live
stream before we start I was listening to unrelenting with
Darren and Jean. And, and, and so Darren, he's like, okay, now
I have I have my Umbral set up. I got my liquidity. I got my
SATs going back and I was like, Wow, you really went out I said,
Now I want to set up wallets for other people do that. Do that
with Ellen bits Am I Oh, man, you know, this isn't there's no
education out there. So I got to podcasting to.org, which was
what podcasts index.org was going to be, had we accepted to
Daniel J. Lewis is offer. I mean, I'm sorry, I understand
that it's a labor of love. But where do I, where do I learn
stuff?
Dave Jones: You know, if we did, if we did, that, maybe that's
where maybe that's where I can, or we or somebody, you know,
maybe that's where the community can help is by doing some sort
of instructional content, like little short, little short
videos, or something like that, that could be embedded on the
podcast, podcasting today. We know that about each
Adam Curry: little thing, the best. The best place for this is
with the podcast hosting companies. And I find
personally, if I look at RSS blue.com, and pod home.fm, those
guys, they're doing a pretty good job. They've got some
pretty decent explanation of what to do you want if you're a
musician, I can send you to RSS moo.com/music. I can all seem to
wave Lake. But if you just want to go learn about it, it's
really not there. I don't think that's our job, Adam and Dave's
job. This isn't what we're good at. That's why it's not our job.
Anyway, I'm just in a complaining kind of mood. So
then I heard on T
Dave Jones: two.org. Though that's I've always thought that
was more I thought that what triggered that whole thing was
the was to try to instruct people like people within the
podcast world. Like people like though the one the hosts of the
feed. That they said that they didn't know anything about
podcasting to Dotto.
Adam Curry: Well, when I come in and that says, upgrade to
podcast namespace. As just the podcasts are my eyes are rolling
in my head already.
Dave Jones: Can we put a pin in that, by the way? Yeah, sure.
Adam Curry: I'm not I'm not saying that anyone's doing a bad
job on this. It's just that I thought it was going to be
marketing oriented and doesn't really feel like that.
Dave Jones: Yeah, well, because I want to come back to least
it's something you said upgrading to the podcast
namespace reminded me of a comment on pod news weekly
review about about replacing the items.
Adam Curry: Not do that right now. I just heard that. And they
had more complaining, oh, they'll make complaints and
more. I'll lead you into complaints about pod news weekly
review. So the complaint I had is, it was a little unclear
because I guess they had some conversation about music and
Spotify and whatever. And on the last episode, and they must have
cut that out or I don't know, it was a little confusing. But then
James said, If I heard him right, he said, you know, this
has nothing to do with podcasting. And like, Well hold
on a second music music is podcasting. Now these days? That
now he may not think so. But I think so. If you have an RSS
feed, and you have an mp3 in there, or any other type of
enclosure, it's a podcast. And and very appropriately. So the
story was kind of about the compensation of copyrighted
musical works on on Spotify, that they've figured out a cool
way to lower that because they're now a bundled service
having added audiobooks, and we talked about that last week, I
think, yeah,
Dave Jones: that was a genius move on their part. Yep, he
does. And
Adam Curry: for journalists, I don't know James, like, Oh,
we're not talking about I don't know why that was just something
weird. It's almost sound like Spotify and called said, Don't
you dare talk about remove your Spotify account? I don't know
what it was, it was something weird.
Unknown: Is their marketing guy? Well, that's for sure.
Adam Curry: And, and so I come across this, this video on AIX,
I thought it was so appropriate. Because as usual, we're right on
time with this stuff. So
Unknown: the second round, coyotes have hit universal. And
last week, it was Interscope. This week, it's capital. And I
want you to notice the divisions that they're cutting. I mean,
they are cutting out whole divisions. And it's from the
executive to the street level. And it's mostly in radio
promotion, and marketing, and creative. So what does that
mean? Record companies are going tech taking all of the personal
element out of it very slowly. And if radio doesn't feed the
monster soon, radio is gonna get eaten by the monster. And that's
where the next cuts are going to happen.
Adam Curry: Completely agree. This is exactly where we're at.
Dave Jones: What was this? What is that just here?
Adam Curry: So this is a music label guy talking about the cuts
that are taking place at add labels. And you know and so it's
it's It's the entire vertical. It's from the executive. It's
all the radio division. So, you know, how was radio always
traditionally worked was it's the discovery mechanism. And
kids aren't listening to Radio anymore. You're not discovering
new music on radio.
Dave Jones: You're just discovering Sirius XM numbers.
Oh, no, I did that was brutal. No, I
Unknown: did not. Oh, they lost
Dave Jones: like half a million subscribers in the first
quarter. But
Adam Curry: they must have had at least a billion dollars in
podcast advertising because someone has it. It's somewhere
in here. It's 2 billion now.
Dave Jones: Somebody has the other 1.8 billion. I'm not sure
where it is. Somewhere.
Adam Curry: I mean, Joe Rogan has a quarter billion so yeah,
Dave Jones: cool. Yeah. So 1.8 somewhere. VMs. Hold holding
steady, according to. We're good.
Adam Curry: So I bring this up on the day. Of course, that is
the unofficial one year anniversary of the value time
split. Yes, yes. And we played on episode 131. Happy
anniversary. Happy anniversary. Especially to Alex gates. But a
large hand in this episode 131 of the boardroom, the 131st
board meeting, and we play and be for running with that.
Humongous humongous testicle slicing scissors. Exactly. And
we played Joe Martin's high gravity as the very first value
times but and, and so I'm really I feel sad for the for the radio
promotion people. You know, there's, there's, there's a
whole system that has worked for so long and radio but radio.
Yeah, okay. They still have $100 billion dollars worth of
advertising, I'm sure. But there is such an opportunity that
we're taking advantage of with these music shows. And it'll
take years as things usually do. But the human element is there.
That's what I like so much. It's not an automated playlist that
comes from some deal with the label which comes from some you
know, some independent promoter who's paid for ads on stations
and the ads are part of the charts and the charts are a part
of the feedback loop and and then we'll have everything the
old school way except the the drugs and the hookers.
Everything else will be the same. It'll be great marketing,
promotion, artists relations, sharing music. When I put
together a boosted grand ball. I have another one coming. I go
and listen to the other shows. What are these guys plan? What
are they picking up on? You know this you
Dave Jones: got another you got another ball.
Adam Curry: I got a ball come and got a ball ready to drop?
Because as I
Dave Jones: was noticing the other day that that has been
well, its
Adam Curry: highest. I know it's been busy. I mean, it we got
three wars going on China on deck. Man, he's a busy man. I'm
busy man. Yeah, exactly.
Dave Jones: There's definitely skullduggery going on across
the, you know, across all of this, all of the media
entertainment ecosystem pair. So Paramount is, looks like they're
about to get. They're about to get bid on by Sony. And
Adam Curry: apparently, Paramount has been the value was
dropped in half. It's about to be purchased in bits and pieces
by Laurie Larry Ellison's kid over at Apollo. What is it
really worth? Who cares anymore? Someone told me? I was No, I was
reading somewhere, whatever you do, don't sell your DVD and blu
ray players, because this streaming thing just might not
work out.
Dave Jones: I'm not that. Not. I wouldn't be surprised if that
was right. I mean, that that would not come as a shocker to
me. I feel like I feel like we've gone too far too fast.
Adam Curry: Well, when we had a lot of money, it was easy. Yeah,
I gotta remind people about this.
Dave Jones: Everybody started saying that. That bandwidth was
no longer an impediment. But that's really not that really
wasn't the case. Bandwidth is only not an input is not an
impediment only if you have lots and lots of free money. If you
have no free money, bandwidth is a real impediment. If you're if
you're pushing if you're pushing petabytes of data a day,
somebody has to pay for that. And it is not cheap. And
somebody has to pay for the rights of all this content. In
some I mean, it's just not affiliate we went this is
similar to this is similar to Kin, the to the Kindle, ebook
reader stuff. That went very fast. And it was like, Oh, cool.
Look, here's the thing that you can do, where you can distribute
books over electronically over the internet, too. A device. And
obviously because you the fact that you can do that means that
books are dead, and nobody's there and we're never going to
end we're not going to need books anymore. And all books,
you can just all the bookstores are going to be gone. This is a,
this is a book killer. And then you had people calling them dead
trees, you know, traditional books, you buy in a derisive
way. And then lo and behold, as people's, as most people's
Kindles, right, get get worn down, as the battery starts
having problems or the screen gets wonky. They just toss them
in the trash, and they don't buy a new one. Same thing that
happened with the Alexa and all the smart home devices. Your you
these people have not is bought on new ones when the old they
slowly at the attrition has happened. And guess what? Now
I'm look, I'm going to go around town, at least here in
Birmingham. We have there's a fairly decent number of
bookstores now that have come back. I mean, there's a thriving
market now for real paper books.
Adam Curry: Yeah, I wouldn't say that the that it's as thriving
as it was for sure. And I think digital books have a very long
future ahead of them.
Dave Jones: Sure, I can tell you I can I can. I can name at least
half a dozen people that I know of that were all Kindle all the
time. And they just churn. Sure. They just they when there's gave
up, they just they just eventually it just evaporated
onto the shelf somewhere into a drawer. And now whenever they
read they read a book. Yeah, you know, it balanced out. So when I
guess what I'm saying is like, I'm starting to see it now used
to, we would see on the streaming side of things. What
you would do you knew that whatever it was you were going
to watch would be free somewhere. And so you would just
figure out okay, is it on Netflix? Is it on prime? Is it
on Hulu? Why isn't an apple what? Where? Where is it? You
knew it was gonna be free somewhere somebody had the
right, that is now no longer the case. Right? Many, many times
you've you're like, oh, I want to go watch this old TV show or
this old movie. And you can't find it for free that with a
subscription anywhere. And so you end up having to buy it. And
at that point, I'm like, Well, you know, what, if I'm having to
buy it anyway, maybe I should buy it in the hardcopy and have
it and have it forever. But I mean, I guess I'm saying that I
think that, like with the free money things go. We get out
people get over their skis a little too far. Yeah. And then
it has to balance out. And that may be what's happening now.
Adam Curry: Yes, and I think if you're going to read a book,
then I would suggest Neil postman's amusing ourselves to
death. Because that's exactly where we're at. We have amused
ourselves into oblivion is too much. Just this too much. It's
too much. It's too much. And, you know, the idea that we're
all going to be discovered through discovery to algorithms.
Yeah. Why didn't you need to be on YouTube to be discovered
because podcasting has no algorithms. You need to be
regular, consistent, make an outstanding product in audio, I
would say and you'll be okay. Everything else is crap. It's
all turned to crap. There's I mean, there's it's all this just
crap. Yeah. And and yes,
Dave Jones: people are getting people are getting smoked me
like the you know, the the unemployment rate. I saw that
chart or not the unemployment rate, the hiring firing rate is
way down. Yeah. Is the lowest it's been adjust population
adjusted. The hiring rate is the lowest it's been since 2016. I
mean, it's
Adam Curry: bad. Yeah. dwarfs is Cory Doctorow and shoot
suffocation. Yeah, yeah,
Dave Jones: that's exactly right. True. And then you saw
Amazon as speaking of the Alexa stuff and how we've had this,
this pullback against. I'm trying to, mentally in the back
of my head, I'm trying to label this phenomenon. And I don't
know exactly what to call it. But it's this idea that, that we
went that we just went way out in front. And now things are
balancing back out. Because you know, did you see that? Amazon
laid off like, get rid of almost all their Alexa team? Oh, yeah,
of course. Because I mean, they wanted that department. The
bone? Yeah, yeah. Because nobody's buying those things. We
used to have five in our house. Now we have one. I can't still
have one. It's in. It's in my daughter's room for her to
listen to me to Spotify and that's all she ever does to it.
In It. They I mean, we just have five of those things. And I
mean, I can I can just see there's this. There's this this
idea that technology the day's absorb. I think that's a good
one. zero interest rate policy. Yeah. zero interest rate policy.
Yeah. Phenomenon zero interest rate phenomenon. ZURB, like
ZURB? Yes, it's the end of the hype cycle. Yeah, that's right
is the end of the hype cycle. But there's a lot of these hype
cycles are ending all at once. I think that's what it is. It's
like this overlap of like four or five different hype cycles.
One of which is the I think the AI hype cycle is starting to
fade. Oh,
Adam Curry: let me tell you, let me tell you, let me tell you. I
got I got a clip here for you, too, about the AI hype cycle.
Okay. For me, the joke always is, if we only had more power,
more compute power, it would work if we had more compute
power. Right? We need more chips, more compute power, then
it then it won't make mistakes, then it won't hallucinate. Yes.
So Larry Fink is the CEO of Blackrock. And Blackrock is
arguably when Larry Fink speaks, people listen, because he's the
Blackrock has $10 trillion under investment management. Yet,
Blackrock owns at least four to 5% of everything. Except
podcast, literally. Every year, you can look at any shareholder
say, No, there's BlackRock. So when he speaks, and he was at
the World Economic Forum, which normally I would ignore, it's a
drinking club, but he was in Saudi Arabia two days ago. And
he brings up the issue of AI Now, bear in mind, please, that
we're still trying to get Apple and other organizations to use
pod ping. And then we see a lot of very forward thinking groups
starting to jump on the pod ping bandwagon, bandwagon, dip Pocket
Casts Pocket Casts, but also on the on the hosting side, we've
got Spreaker on Spreaker. I think Spreaker. Yeah. Podcast
being being podcast. What is it, pod? bean pod bean, exactly.
Dave Jones: These are not audio means which is a fringe podcast,
and may
Adam Curry: we so these are very smart, forward thinking people
because you know, it's wasteful. Polling, an RSS feed is just
wasteful. So you know, this beautiful pod pink thing is set
up. Now let's see where the AI guys are going with power, see
if they're wasting anything. This is Larry Fink.
Unknown: Because the amount of capital is needed for AI. All
the new technology that we've developed, probably in an
entirety, was the domain of startups. And the whole
ecosystem was, was venture capital, the startups. ecosystem
has changed dramatically. AI is a domain of large caps. And I do
believe to properly build out AI. We're talking about
trillions of dollars of investing. So data centers today
can be as much as 200 megahertz. They're now talking about data
centers are going to be one gigawatt. That's That's what
powers a city. There. There was one tech company that I spoke to
the CEO last week who said, Right now all their data centers
is about five gigawatts by 2030. They need 30 gigawatts. 30
Mighty, the amount of power that's needed to do use AI is
has a huge impact on society. Where's that power going to come
from? Are we going to take it off the grid? What does it mean
for elevated energy prices? For everybody else? If it's that, I
think it's going to represent some huge societal questions
that we have not addressed the negative side, forget about the
use of it, but just the generation of it is massive
power, wind, but that that is a huge investment opportunity. So
that we know the world is going to be short power is short
power. And to power these these data companies, you cannot have
just this intermittent power like wind and solar, you need
dispatchable power, because it can turn off and on these data
centers, and so it's accommodated, I just want to end
on a positive note, all this presents massive economic
opportunity. So I mean, we're talking about technology and all
that stuff, but think about it to build these things. You're
gonna have to go along air conditioning companies. I mean,
the basic stuff, I mean, the amount of investments that are
gonna be needed to do all this, alongside investing in the
emerging world and healthcare and all the other issues. This
is why I'm bullish. I see opportunity. I don't I don't see
problems as my such as massive opportunity. Notice
Adam Curry: he didn't mention climate change in this massive
power. I mean, what what is going on here?
Dave Jones: went off the rails at the end that I didn't know
what like he because
Adam Curry: all of a sudden he realizes that he's talking about
investing trillions of dollars into stupid compute while people
are homeless. They're drug addicts on the street. I mean,
there's all kinds of problems we got and all you can think of
trillions power anymore power 30 megabytes. 3030 megawatts of
power.
Dave Jones: Gigawatts gigawatts, gigawatts, and
Adam Curry: this is not going to work. This is this is a pipe
dream.
Dave Jones: No, that's this is this. Yes. Stupid compute.
That's exactly what this is that the the idea that this is going
to, so Well, here's here's what Microsoft I don't know if you
saw this. Such an Adela is memo to Microsoft. No. Such an Adela.
is Microsoft memo on putting security first.
Adam Curry: Microsoft, okay, yeah, in the DLL is, guys.
That's what we need to check.
Dave Jones: Microsoft is overhauling its security
processes after a series of high profile attacks in recent years
security is now Microsoft's quote top priority. The company
outline today, in response to ongoing questions from the US
cyber safety review boards labeling of Microsoft security
culture as inadequate. Oh, boy. So bad reporters? Yes. Such a
put out a memo company wide memo. And he said today I want
to talk about something critical to our company's future,
prioritizing security above all else. And he goes, he goes on.
But he says
Adam Curry: we'll fix it with AI, please tell me in
Dave Jones: No, no, no. He says that. That is the that is the
number one priority at the company. Everything they do is
going to be about security going forward. Going forward, we will
commit the entirety of our organization to our secure
future initiative. And he says security as if you're faced with
the trade off between security and another priority, your
answer is clear. Do security. Okay, this was six months ago,
you could have written written this same memo to say GPT. Yeah,
and he would have said the exact same thing about AI. That tells
me that AI is now starting to fade. They're they're they're
moving, they're moving on because it's a money sink, and
figured out how to make any money off of it. If I hope Larry
thing and invests billions of dollars into all that stuff to
get to big data centers, trillions, trillions of dollars,
because that is going to be a complete disaster. That when
that thing dries up as this, I don't know, the the the AI hype
cycle, to me, what is going to be the end up being the shortest
hype cycle of all of the Silicon Valley stuff. It's gonna come
and go faster than any of them by a factor of
Adam Curry: five. And you could kind of see that because once
podcast hosting companies were touting this as great features
to have you kind of knew that was the I mean, we honestly and
I say this with love, but podcast hosting companies, we're
at the bottom of the barrel of tech. Now, so when it gets down
to yeah, we've got AI, it's like me on this, like, we've got ham
radios, too,
Dave Jones: is sort of like people used to always say about
Birmingham, by the time we get like a new trendy restaurant
thing. It's already it's already three years. Yeah, yeah. And we
got the Make your own yogurt shops. It was like, you know,
they were already going in California. And
Adam Curry: I think I said this last week, I just want to
reiterate, I understand the hosting business. And it's it's
not an easy business. And I appreciate I love seeing that
huge list that Spurlock put together of all you know, the
percent you know, market share of whatever, OPI three market
share of hosting companies must mean 300 companies before he
stopped counting, and that's beautiful to see. And I
understand that you want to grow, but you probably also want
to have retention and you also want to steal people from other
from other companies. I mean, that's just the nature of the
business. But when we're down to you know, like your main feature
is you can get you know, a penny for each time someone downloads
your, your podcast, and that's supposed to be a feature. I
mean, talk about and shit ification I mean, because people
you know, people aren't aren't motivated. There's no motivator,
except Hey, someone in Lithuania downloaded my podcast. There's
no motivator with stats. And I'll just say one more time if
you if you Put some kind of value for value streaming in
there. And you educate your customers on how to get their
listeners to use modern podcast apps, which is becoming easier
and easier. Especially the onboarding part. It's becoming
very easy now with lightning integration. Okay, it's coin
base today, we have strike, there's all kinds of easier ways
to onboard people into the lightning ecosystem.
Dave Jones: They bow just partnered with a Moon Bay, that
will really
Adam Curry: elevate Moon pay. Oh, that makes them look
official, then this is good.
Dave Jones: There's there's a lot of good onboarding stuff on
everything.
Adam Curry: single time I show somebody streaming SATs coming
in. And I can show it on my my Zeus app from a wallet. Of
course, you don't see the booster grams, or I show using
heli pad. That's what gets people excited. Like, wow, so
wait, so that someone listening right now, so yeah. And they're
sending me a little a little fraction of value for the for
for, for what I do. That gets people excited, invest in that.
Invest in that. And everything else like, Oh, it's just a penny
from some ad that no one wants to hear. It's also negative.
Yeah, do something positive.
Dave Jones: But and also the advertising. Look, go back. I
think we talked about it last week. Spotify has monthly active
users as a share of revenue, the premium users the meaning the
users that pay their revenue. It was it was like 80% of their
revenue came from the paid users, not the ad supported
users. That's ad supported users was 10x. Lower. So as far as
revenue goes, so I mean, like paying for things instead of
selling ads on things? Is it me? Look at that. The only things
the only thing keeping cable television companies afloat?
Right now is the carriage fees is paying to it. Yes. Ray had to
survive just on advertising out it was lost, they would be out
of business. Right? The the the people households paying hard,
hard cash for a cable subscription is what is keeping
them in business. The advertising is just is just
gravy. You know, it's just
Adam Curry: and I just want to come back to podcasting and the
hosting companies. Because it's so it's just so destructive what
I see taking place, because everyone's talking about
YouTube. And it's not about video. It's about YouTube. Okay,
let's just let's just call it what it is. You want to do
video, most video but most podcast apps do video, Apple
podcast does video. But no one does video because very few
companies offer it. And it's not as easy as uploading to YouTube.
But everybody who's gone on board and make it easy for you,
for your customers to upload to YouTube. Don't come crying. When
your people are gone when Google has sucked them up. This is what
they do. This is what they do they suck up RSS and then
destroy it as what they do.
Dave Jones: Now the I've got a good tip finalized formalize the
publisher tag in namespace today. Yeah. So that's a lot.
That's that's live. That's up. Go good. And I think I think
that's something that hosting companies can take advantage of,
I think the podcasting 2.0 podcast and 2.0 is about one of
the things that we try to do is provide new features for hosting
companies to use. We are the we are where we are the at the
index is the apps best friend, podcasting. 2.0 is the is the
hosting company's best friend. Because you can it's a way to
bring new features to podcasting for your customers. So that you
can be so that you can exceed what is possible on closed
systems. I
Adam Curry: think that's a great description. I really love that,
unfortunately, that we're just gonna have to wait until
everyone has gotten the YouTube thing out of their system.
Because yes, and you know, YouTube buys articles in the New
York Times with YouTube booming podcast creators get camera
ready. Yeah, you know, it's like, once you get over that,
once you get over that then we'll still be here. Now we saw
podcasting stagnate for a decade because everyone's like Boo, boo
Apple, Boo Oh, The Youth
Dave Jones: Club and clubhouse was the hottest thing since
sliced house. About a year another
Unknown: perfect example. All clubhouse. Oh, yeah, this is the
future. Bye, guys.
Dave Jones: Yeah, and then when nobody and then when everybody
bails out and goes out the back door, everything goes back to
the way it was. Yeah. And the same thing is gonna happen with
YouTube if, if as long as the hosting companies resist the
urge to play ball,
Adam Curry: no, but they're playing ball Dave they're all
playing ball. They're all playing ball. And one way or the
other one way or the other. Even Todd is playing ball with you to
tots
Dave Jones: said they could you know that he will never play at
all he's
Adam Curry: playing ball. You can now buy an account on
blueberry for your YouTube channel. And then
Dave Jones: the videos out Yeah. And it's played people out.
Adam Curry: playing ball.
Dave Jones: He's doing Oh, he's no, he's trying to pull people
out
Adam Curry: even though it was my idea. He's also doing the the
alternate enclosure for the YouTube embed people playing
ball. But it's more of the the overall idea. And it's also I'm
not, I'm not ashamed to say it. But if you don't have an RSS
feed is not a podcast, and people can jump up and down and
say curry no one cares what you say. And you're probably right.
But YouTube is not a podcast. And you'll find out. If a F Oh.
Dave Jones: Faith O, F A F O what is what is F? A F O
Adam Curry: F around and find out? Oh, f a f? Oh, yes. Yeah.
You'll find out? You'll find out? It's
Dave Jones: not? So
Unknown: first viral up?
Adam Curry: Spiraling? Yeah, I guess I am. It's like, what are
we doing? Stop, you know, everyone's just running around
trying to get some some money somewhere. Focus people focus.
Dave Jones: I think this comes from the I think this comes from
the having lived through the people who are who were in town,
I think the people who are in blogs, I don't think this
necessarily affected the podcast world very much at the time. But
the people who were in like us who were part of when Google
Reader died, who were building RSS based software. Before, you
know they were mostly in the blogosphere not in podcasting
was kind of its own form of RSS at the time. And still is but
people like us that lives through the Google Reader death,
I think, have a different perspective on and I don't mean,
just you had a Google Reader account. And you were there. I
mean, people who saw the slow attrition of any other competing
product until Google Reader became the dominant thing. And
then they wrote pulled it like that, that took a number of
years to come to fruition. Google got everybody into their
ecosystem. They pulled everybody in. And then they just rug
pulled everybody about killing and in thought it would be the
deathblow to RSS. It turns out it wasn't. But it was close.
Let's not be let's well be
Adam Curry: and mine ourselves. The rug poll came with a
replacement, which was I think Google Plus, was that what it
was? Or was it Google Wave or any number of products, circles
Dave Jones: and all that friend circles?
Adam Curry: So it's, I just
Dave Jones: think we have a different perspective than maybe
some people in the podcasting world, because that never really
hurt them that bad. Because podcasting is its own had its
own route. They weren't they weren't really affected by
Google Reader. But if you lived through that, you saw how
tumultuous it was and how it almost killed the whole, the
whole use of the protocol. And it makes you not trust Google in
any way. Well, when they start to get it when they start to get
a dominant position over and open over something that used to
be open. You have to get very nervous.
Adam Curry: So along with that comes, I'm glad you brought up
blogging, because we're seeing the same thing now with blogging
companies, as we did with blogging companies. You know,
you can get ads, you can get banners, you'll make money. You
can do subscriptions. You know that all went away. Feedburner?
Well, there's that there's that.
Dave Jones: But we chose a way of putting ads into dynamic ad
insertion, right? Yeah. But my
Adam Curry: point is, it's not like a magical thing, you start
a podcast, you you do something, and then you get advertising. If
you know, there's a lot of crap. Not everyone deserves to make
money. Not everyone should be making money. Some stuff should
just be crap. It's okay. Yeah, crap is good, too. But this
whole, like all these promises, now it's going to be this and
that and grow your show. Just do your podcast, have fun.
Dave Jones: So I guess what I'm trying to say is the public the
publisher feeds thing, I think, is an example of one thing that
that hosting companies can adopt. Now, if you have a note,
I know quite a few hosting companies have have customers
that publish a bunch of different feeds, you know, they
have a business customer that may have four or five, six or
more feeds is publishing a pode creating a offering them a
publisher feed, that wraps all their their normal feeds into
into one. And makes that easy. That would be a great thing to
offer. Be a great, it'd be great thing to offer, because that
that does help us discoverability because we you
know, once just like with blog roll in, I mean, pod roll and
these other tags, the more of the discoverability stuff we can
we can help enable. Then the platform's the the listening
platforms can begin to crawl that data and actually put
together things that look better,
Adam Curry: yeah, better display, etc. And I'm excited
about Yeah, yeah, I'm very excited about that.
Dave Jones: Because that's one thing, that that's one thing
that the more closed systems have, that we don't is the
ability to sort of do better aggregation. On, you know, on
the receiving side. Because we, you know, think about something
like, you know, Apple, Apple podcasts, their directory, they
have a lot of visibility that we don't have, they know who's
somebody gets on to Apple podcasts Connect. This is what
we talked about one time before a while back about Google, some
of the power of how Google became such a such a good search
engine, had nothing to do with their crawling ability, and had
a lot to do with how they convinced millions of sets of
web of webmasters to go and enter in all the data about
their website to the Google Webmaster Tools. So once they
had all that data plugged in by a real person, on the back end,
that gave Google first party access to what the structure of
their site was supposed to be, that had a huge impact on the
quality of the search. So in the same way, Apple and Spotify get
benefits like that, when they have access to the first party
data of people going into Apple podcasts connect or Spotify,
dashboard, dashboard, megaphone dashboard, these things that
allow them to see connectivity between different bits of data
that we don't see. Because all we're doing is collecting the
RSS feed, whenever you have something, if you have a
publisher feed, where you can collect, where you can see, oh,
these four shows are all belong to the same parent entity, then
you can do really cool stuff with that. And not just for not
just for the immediate use case that we have is for musicians to
pull their different feeds their different albums into one fee
into one sort of hosts. One artist feed. That's obviously
the first one, but then you have, but it goes beyond that. I
mean, if if one of your think about who was here, the guy, our
buddies over there, Focus on the Family. Yes. Rob, you know, they
Yeah, Rob. And, you know, they have a lot of they have a lot of
shows. And so they could easily put publish a a publisher feed.
And now anybody who's crawling that data can have a really cool
user experience. To say, Oh, you just listen, you just subscribe
to this show. Here's four other shows by Focus on the Family
that you may be interested in.
Adam Curry: I hope the apps will implement it. I don't think
anyone's except for Sam Sethi, whatever I say on the show, Sam,
we know you do. You're doing it. Burn. blog roll, pod roll. No.
Dave Jones: Yeah, no, no, I don't I don't know if the I'm
not sure what's being implemented because we don't a
lot of the open a lot of the open. Sea open. I'm not sure
that's the right term. Like, people like Pocket Casts have,
they have a PR mechanism in place. I mean, they put out
press releases that kind of thing. People like, like Mitch
and Franco and Jason ever podcasts, they don't really
have, they don't do a lot of that kind of thing. I mean, they
will do it. They'll do it from time to time, but a lot of times
we don't know what they've done and what they haven't. So I'm
not sure what's been done on some of those things. I mean,
the publisher fee just got formulas today. So yeah, you
know, and I know I know, Oscar is way not been waiting on that
because he wants to. He wants to get those artists. Yeah, for
Adam Curry: the music. Yeah. Oh, later. Yeah, sure. For sure.
Good.
Dave Jones: Yes. I mean, we're, we're getting I mean, I think
we're, you know, now now No, and that failure on the, on the
hosting side. I mean, it's, it's,
Adam Curry: I mean, I see energy going into things and stuff like
AI and all that. I'm like, let's put it into you know, doing
things that work that have that have a future and it's not some
you know, add on strap strap on stuff. It's just strap on.
Dave Jones: I think we could I think we can I think the best
thing we can do is just complain. complain.
Unknown: complain? Oh, hell Kraus. Yes. Yeah.
Dave Jones: Right. Yeah.
Adam Curry: I don't want to be too negative.
Dave Jones: Okay. Moving beyond our, you know, THEC, Brawl
raging at everything going on and podcast and
Adam Curry: other shows who actually, by the way, I love
these shows. I cannot not listen to these shows. Yeah, but I'm,
like, I'm tired of boosting back my feedback. It's like, I gotta
show we complain about it here.
Dave Jones: So do you want to talk about the iTunes namespace
real quick?
Adam Curry: I only if you'd let me play the jingle.
Unknown: And now it's time for some hot namespace talk.
Adam Curry: Yeah, there's two things we got to talk about.
Dave Jones: Okay. Well, I mean, I've got I may have one other.
Adam Curry: Well, then go ahead. No,
Dave Jones: I want to hear your list. Your two port list?
Adam Curry: Well, the one is, okay. First, I guess a
misconception that popped up. I don't think either of us have
ever said that the podcast namespace should be replacing
the iTunes namespace I don't think that was ever said. So
where were they came from? That's that's a misconception. I
think we've ever said that. The concept of a drop in
replacement. For I think specifically the block tag we
may have discussed. Which is which immediately becomes my the
second and final item on my list. As Mitch sent us a note a
lot of people are trying to access a feed a podcast through
pod verse, which has a blocked and iTunes it actually has
iTunes and then a Google block tag I looked at the feed was
just I don't think I've ever seen that from megaphone. And so
we're not importing that. And his question is Kent since since
Apple ignores it, is it time for us to just ignore it? And I know
it's come up in the past? I think it's been it's, it's up to
you really, it's not for me to decide this somehow.
Dave Jones: Let's take the second one first. The block the
block tag. I can't ignore it completely. Because there are
some of our hosting friends that really depend on us honoring
that. The iTunes and water. Yeah. Yeah. And so I can talk to
them over time and switch across
Adam Curry: question. They want us to honor it because they're
allowing people to create an iTunes block tag.
Dave Jones: Yes, so they use an a one in particular uses it for
private feeds. So they have a private feed. It's for like a
member ship type thing. They'll put an iTunes blog tag in the
feed. Now this this is we've we've talked about the problems
with it in blog tag in you know, ad nauseam in the past it's it
The it's just it's just, it's the worst. It's just the worst.
Adam Curry: Well, it seems like using the iTunes block tag to
signal that you have a private feed is not a great way to do
it.
Dave Jones: No, it's not because but it's the only thing that had
been until we created the podcast blog tag, there's
Adam Curry: right well, maybe, maybe maybe seven, said hosting
company can change something so we can move forward sounds seems
like someone's holding us back in this.
Dave Jones: Yeah, I think going forward, we need to encourage
people to use a better tag, which the podcast block tag is
better in every way. Because you can just get granular and you
can be specific and all that kind of thing. Because the one
of the biggest problems with iTunes block tag is that is that
people don't know, everybody handles it differently. And then
everybody that puts it in there thinks it's going to be handled
in a certain way. And that's not the case. So there's a huge
disconnect. But what but between what people think they're doing
when they put the blockchains block tag in, and what actually
happens when the atom block that is by tag gets in. So but for
now. So there's this specific feed Gary brick brecha.
Adam Curry: That's a health a health guy. So it's a pretty big
podcast.
Dave Jones: And so he's got iTunes blog tag in there. So we
honor that, and we block it. And it's, and yet it shows up in
like tons of other apps, even on Apple even in their app. And
that just doesn't seem right. So what I'm going to do, as an
interim fix for this is I'm going to I'm going to flag the
database differently so that we can mark manually. In cases like
this, we can mark that this. This particular podcast combined
needs to ignore it. Yes. Okay. Because I hate that because it's
more manual work for everybody that I know, you know, but
Adam Curry: in this case, we're hurting. Well, specifically,
we're hurting pod verse. Yeah, because he says, MC says it's a
lot of their users are saying, Hey, how come I can't get this?
And that's a reason someone would not use that app. Yeah, I
guess and
Dave Jones: so and so that I can give Mitch admin access on the
podcast in this dashboard.
Adam Curry: Very bad idea.
Dave Jones: I retract it, I take it back. You're not getting that
Miss. So that's an easy fix, I think should be able to get that
done this week. Replacing the iTunes namespace. I don't
exactly know this details of what we said in the past. But I
can tell you what my thought what my mind what my mental
ideas have been for that. Or my mental framework for that has
been since the beginning. Replacing the items namespace is
is not a goal.
Adam Curry: Oh, which drinkin show beer? No. Yeah, Waterloo,
peach.
Dave Jones: Oh, that's pretty good. Actually. Replacing that
to his namespace is not a goal. Maybe you could call it like a
design ambition. Or just go goal makes it sounds like it makes it
sound like it's one of the core purposes of of the namespaces
existence or the work and that's that's not really the case. It's
not the goal to replace the iTunes namespace. It's an
ambition that that we're designing for. We like we need
to make it an easy transition if that ever becomes a thing that
trend that happens. Yeah, here Nathan a happy coincidence. Yes.
Well,
Adam Curry: that's interesting. Before you continue, okay, so
what you're saying is we would want we want to have
replacements in case for some reason the iTunes namespace
wasn't supported or I'm not sure what you think what happened.
Dave Jones: But podcasting 2.0 is more than just the namespace.
The podcasts podcasting. 2.0 is is a community of people trying
to make sure that podcasting technology is in the hands is is
open and in the hands of people and not companies. I
Adam Curry: love that and YouTube
Dave Jones: So in that vein, we ultimately don't want namespaces
that are critical to the way podcasting works. To be
controlled by private companies. We we don't, that's not what we
want, we want it to be when you want something that's critical
to it. If there's something at this critical to podcasting,
infrastructure or technology, we as podcasting 2.0. Want one
Shane changes to that thing to be done by communities of
people, not private companies, meeting in private boardrooms.
So, I like in that regard, the iTunes namespace is a thing that
we want, that is the antithesis of that. Apple controls the
iTunes namespace, we're not in that we don't we're not at the
table. The best we can do, we're not allowed to participate. The
best we can do is beg them and ask them to do stuff. What, what
if we want better versions of the iTunes tags, case in point
perfect example block and PR
Adam Curry: block Yes, block blogs keyword block.
Dave Jones: NPR wanted to add an attribute to the season seasons,
yeah. To allow you to put a name to name a season, we could have
begged Apple to do it for 10 years. And just hoped that one
day they listened and did it. Yeah. Or we could just duplicate
that tag, make sure it's backwards compatible with the
iTunes version, and then modify it ourselves while maintaining
the backwards compatibility, which is what we did. And if we
do that enough, if we if we take that approach. And the approach
is this, if somebody wants a better version of an iTunes tag,
then we duplicate the tag, add the add the new feature to it
that they want, while maintaining backwards
compatibility. And maybe 10 years from now, or some time in
the future. Again, not a goal. This is not a it's not a goal to
do this, necessarily. But at some point in the future, there
may come a time when the podcast namespace, essentially has all
of the same tags as the iTunes namespace with extra features,
so that they're better. And then at that point, the podcast
namespace is, is already so widely disseminated amongst
hundreds of 1000s of feeds and apps and apps and not YouTube,
that at that point, it really does become feasible, that you
can make that you can just switch, it becomes a drop in
replacement.
Adam Curry: Okay. Well, I'm glad we had this conversation,
because although I have not seen it, it is my understanding that
from the partners weekly review that James Cridland was out
there fighting with people in the GitHub saying no, this tag
already exists. It's iTunes tag, and you don't need to recreate
this. So that's that. So there's a disconnect there.
Dave Jones: I, I would agree with him in this sense. If
there's nothing we can offer, as an improvement on that tag, I
see no reason to duplicate it. Copy that. Yeah. But if we can
off if if there's a clear thing, that will be an improvement to
that tag, I don't mind duplicating it, because the only
here's the only you got two options. Okay, it's like okay,
we have this tag, block tag. This thing is not sufficient. It
is not doing a job, the job that is designed for it's a it is a
inadequate piece of piece of namespace technology. We can do
better. So we have two options. Three options. First option, we
can beg Apple for a decade, in which the the likelihood of them
doing anything is zero, maybe 1%. Option number two, we can
duplicate the tag into the podcast namespace, add the
feature make it better. And then it becomes as we all hope a
standard right so people stop using the iTunes version and
switch to our version right so
Adam Curry: the perfect example of that as category. Right. as
we as we move to more freeform categories and
Dave Jones: Don't think no, no, I don't think we're going to I
don't think we're going to conflict with the category tag.
I think I think what we're doing is going to be something else
it's going to be I don't think it's going to be a direct
conflict because we're, we're more this is what we're doing is
going to end up being more like the key words. Yeah. Yeah. I
think yeah, I
Adam Curry: think they'll live together. Okay. Or in harmony in
perfect harmony.
Dave Jones: Evany. So, I think, but then the third option is the
option that we don't want to do. And I don't is a hostile
takeover that seems namespace.
Adam Curry: Yeah, no, we don't want that. That's no fun. No, we
Dave Jones: don't, we don't want to start saying, you know,
adding things to, to the iTunes namespace. So you know, without
their permission, but I'll tell
Adam Curry: you, I have a sneaky suspicion that one day in the
future, it may be within this 10 day, 10 year timeframe. I could
easily see the European Union forcing Apple to divest of
podcasts and and have that something that is not pre
installed anymore. Yeah. And, and you know, and there'll be
options for people to choose. And that may negate their power
over many things.
Dave Jones: I'll go one step further. I would not be
surprised if at some point in this 10 year period, some people
may think I'm crazy, but I don't think I am. If Ted Hoffman calls
up and says, Hey, we want to merge the iTunes namespace with
the podcast namespace. Wouldn't surprise me one bit. Merge merge
the two things together. What
Adam Curry: would the benefit be? Why? Why would they want to
do that? And I mean, by that I 10 horsemen really needs to
think about retiring and he's going to be 100 by the time that
happens,
Dave Jones: he's already let's have you seen his beard?
Adam Curry: Interest. Interesting. Interesting. vaad.
Dave Jones: Yes. I mean, I can see it in book because there's I
can't remember that podcasting doesn't make apple any money.
You know, it's a it's really the last labor of love within the
company. Is the last like, throwback to an old apple. that
existed, you know, for, for ideals bigger than just money
for
Adam Curry: the people. For the people. For the crazy. What for
the crazy ones?
Dave Jones: The Crazy Ones? Yeah, it's this. This is an old,
this is an old, this is a vestigial organ that's attached.
Just
Adam Curry: to kind of divest a little bit from it and feel like
it's been put in a good place. Hey, those two Yahoo's that
sounds like a good idea. Let them maintain it all.
Dave Jones: Yeah, and that means that means we we have to have
staying power is gonna, you know, we got to stick around
long enough for for people to see that. That podcasting. 2.0
is the right place to house something like this is a trusted
in is a trusted community where this is going to be taken, taken
forward? Because I don't know that they're necessarily in I
mean, they don't get anything out of the items namespace been,
they just, they just don't. So I could see them in the future. I
mean, they've already been, they've already they already
linked to the podcast namespace from there and from the iTunes
namespace documentation. True. To me that that looks like the
first step towards 10 years from now, Pappy van husband calls up
and says, you know, hey, let's have a chat. So I'm just saying
that it is hoped, maybe that I feels like it is not still not
clear. But I think it it has to not. It's not the goal,
necessarily. But it has to be on the radar. Because it's who it's
what our it's our what
Adam Curry: our overall mission is. Yeah, our
Dave Jones: mission is not letting podcasting be owned by
huge corporations. So it has to be part of it
Adam Curry: right now. A little gear switch. Yes, sir. Eric
peopIe. I saw some pull requests going back and forth. It looks
like there's a new version of helipad coming which will allow
me to set up pew pew custom pew pew sounds Yeah. Did you Did you
see that? I did.
Dave Jones: Um, he is he's on fire with the Health Analytics
site.
Adam Curry: So so so that will mean that we can have a secret
boost number. And if you boost with the right number, bells and
whistles go off and then you get a prize? No, that's gonna be
nice stuff like that. I'm excited about that. I'm very
excited.
Dave Jones: Do we need to,
Adam Curry: which is kind of the start of something you said like
ratifying all this great stuff. And there's still stuff that
happens in IRC that, you know, we really have no idea how to
access and it just shows up and people turn stuff on booths,
bots, and all that stuff. I mean, I feel somehow like Halle
pad is a great place to put a lot of that functionality, they
can go back out. So I'd love to be able to have heli pads say,
Okay, you connect your IRC here. And what I mean
Dave Jones: yeah, that'll be that'll be cool. Because that
you can basically run your own booth spot.
Adam Curry: Yeah, yeah, exactly.
Dave Jones: I think he said you could sideload he said he's got
a not fully tested version that you can sideload Yeah,
Adam Curry: but whenever I sideload then then you know,
then my start nine doesn't know that. You know, there's a new
version and then I have to go back and have to reload every
single boost. From the moment my node went up. That's kind of a
downer. Like loading the blockchain. Oh, by the way,
dude, I got want to mention that I got one of those was called
the Founders Edition of the what's that thing called? It's a
bid to a future bid. Future bid. Have you heard these guys? No
future future bid.io. So it's a it's a full node. There's a
future but yeah, future BIT dot out. That's pretty cool. To form
node, which you can also use as a desktop, interestingly enough,
and because it has a boon to on it.
Dave Jones: Did you get the
Adam Curry: Apollo two? Yes. Founders Edition. Cool. Yeah.
And it does like seven seven Tera hashes Giga second flop.
Whatever. GSPs Yes. At 190 watts.
Dave Jones: That's been published to is the culmination
of news pretty
Adam Curry: good. And
Dave Jones: as a miner Yeah, it's a mining rig.
Adam Curry: Yeah, it's a mining Yes. You can hook it up to I'm
just running it solo I'm gonna get me a block
Unknown: he has so amount of block Oh, yeah,
Adam Curry: I'm that guy. I'm going to be that guy who's gonna
mind his own block? For sure. Yeah, it's made in America is
here up to 10 Tera hash hash power
Dave Jones: Oh, you got the fat Oh, you founders of this. So
what's the founders the Founders Edition shipped first? Yeah,
limited run. Oh, it's oranges in Bitcoin? Yeah,
Adam Curry: it was like burn dark orange. Yeah, no, it's
beautiful. It's a minor that you don't put in the garage. It's
really interesting.
Dave Jones: What is the difference between a standard
and a full node? Minor plus full and minor only version of a
price simply plug in your?
Adam Curry: Yeah, if you want to solo I think you got to have a
full node.
Dave Jones: Oh, yeah. Okay, I'm on two bucks that's that's a lot
cheaper than an ant miner
Adam Curry: Oh yeah. I'm on a I'm on a so um I'm on a pool
right now because it comes of course without the blockchain so
you gotta download the blockchain that always takes a
few days. And but once that's done full on SoLoMo baby
Dave Jones: so LaMonte your own pre installed stratum solo pool
Adam Curry: that's right you want to join my pool?
Dave Jones: Wait so that's about to ask you so if I got one you
want to connect to your pool? Yeah,
Adam Curry: we can we yes we can mind together honey. Oh, think
of it right. Think of the opportunity think of the
community we could build
Dave Jones: think of the think of this the home heating
capacity. Yeah, right. Deliver a No kidding. That's got an HDMI
port on the side. I'm
Adam Curry: telling you it's a full on Ubuntu install and
instead of a desktop? Well, it kind of looks Yes. And it kind
of weird that I do that wrong. Someone else I thought was
future bit Future.
Dave Jones: Future bit.io/home is where I'm at. Yeah,
Adam Curry: I post that in the I posted that into the
Dave Jones: connected monitor to it or configure over Ethernet
automatically start sinking a full Bitcoin node. It
Adam Curry: looks a bit like Apple had one of these cubes at
one point remember the cube Apple had a cube? Yeah, a little
bit like that.
Dave Jones: Big is it but I can't see the dimensions.
Adam Curry: It's bigger than the Apple cube but it looks nice.
Let me look oh, that's kind of a handsome unit.
Dave Jones: So that's such a handsome unit. Is there twit is
is more like, is it like 12 inches by 12 inches or is it
more small? wasn't six by six
Adam Curry: I'd say seven by seven
Dave Jones: oh that's not very big at all
Adam Curry: Hey, want to play some music?
Dave Jones: I would love to
Adam Curry: Okay. So I'm kind of on this Friday thing where like
it's Friday how you feel you're ready for a bang Are you ready
for banger? Lahoma homeless second let me I found this thing
I want to play this something I found this from an old daily
source code daily source code thing Hold on a second let me
see I've been looking for this in I think the guy who did this
died he may still be alive but I love it so much something
Unknown: remarkable is happening here. Radio is screen free of
the regulated gatekeepers who manage what you can hear since
radio was invented it's jumping into the hands of anyone at all
with something or nothing to say
I guess tread water for five times we'll run
a video right is the standard and you're gonna be all right
enjoy the ride one you're the
deal I have no issue
that's why you'll never get is gonna be running again it's the
standard or the you're gonna be all right. Enjoy the ride one
year
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you
Adam Curry: how about that? Yeah, it wasn't I knew you'd
like it. Yeah the protagonist death by lions.
Dave Jones: quality music on don't value for values is
Adam Curry: dynamite. Yeah, I found great. I found that on.
sidestream music podcast Cody played it like God is so good.
Yeah.
Dave Jones: There's great music out there that you can just turn
you can turn on any of the music shows? Yeah, unless later really
It feels like the radio. Yeah,
Adam Curry: exactly. Lm beats you know if you can listen to
any of the shows and listen to any all the music.
Dave Jones: bug fixes, by the way. I'm glad you mentioned LM
beats. Okay.
Adam Curry: Oh, yes. Your your API search. Fix bug thing.
Dave Jones: Yes. Search fix bugs. The minister. Yeah,
thanks. Yeah, I love fixing bugs, especially when it's like,
like a suspended chord that resolves you know, your to in
endpoints that were affected by this bug. The, they both used
the same under relying the function like lower level
function, so it all came down to a sequel issue. So the bug was
this. And if you asked for if you add it, so it's the episodes
by feed ID endpoint. That was that was one of them. And the by
medium tag was the other that were affected by this. If you if
you so if you would ask for a specific number of episodes, you
would get back a different amount. That's
Adam Curry: that's what we call a bug Dave, that is recognized
as a bug. Yes.
Dave Jones: If you asked for 20 episodes, you may get back 16.
He asked for 100, you may get back 80. So this is a clear bug.
Where it became weird, though, was the way the bug was
expressed in the by medium tag. So the by medium tag you if once
you got up to like, let's say, if you're LSA, you're asking for
all the all the feeds, that were buy that were had music medium.
And you say, Okay, I want 2700, you know, like I want I want
3000 feeds, we that wouldn't work, it would just, it would
just time out. So, Stephen D is the one that found the magic
number. As you're creeping up, you cannot go above 22,750 as
the max count
Adam Curry: on a random number. Yeah,
Dave Jones: so Well, it turns out, that's the number that
would, it was a it was a Stack
Adam Curry: Overflow memory leak.
Dave Jones: It was a slowly escalating, long running query,
that once you got beyond about 2007, sometimes you could go you
could go higher. But once you got beyond that the query was
taking so long on the database side that it would fail, it
would timeout, the API would abandoned would abandon the
query. So this ended up being a problem is I don't use an ORM,
which is like a build your SQL for you do all the SQL
statements by hand because
Adam Curry: you're because you're a man.
Dave Jones: In assembly, that's right. Is C so what I had, what
I didn't realize was it mice, so MySQL does what's called early
row lookups. So you can think of a database like this, okay.
database table. So think of like an index is like a is like a
second table. So you have, so you have a table of data. And
the index is almost like a separate table, where the
records are pointers, from the indexed columns into to the
primary key in the index table, if that makes sense. So you have
this, this, the index is this separate sort of like hidden
table over here, where it all it's doing is keeping track of
relationships between the index value and the primary key of the
of the index table traditional. So you can you can look, looking
up the data. So looking at it. So if you have a you have your
index over here, and that's what you want to always live in your
index, because that's mostly in memory. If, if your database is
machine as well, you know, it's got enough RAM that can have
things in memory. And you're going to it's fast. So going to
get the road data itself is slow, because that's sometimes
it's on disk. And that's you don't want to have to do that
until the basically the very last minute. So because what
happened because what can happen is you know, if you will be
terrible is if you go and get all the data, if you go and get
all the data from the actual table off disk, then you
determine that some of the filter filtering in either in
the where clause, or in the group by or something has, has
filtered out some of those rows because now you've fetched a
bunch of rows that you didn't even need sounds
Adam Curry: very inefficient, highly inefficient.
Dave Jones: So what you want is a database that does something
called a late row lookups This is
Adam Curry: sexy sequel talk with David sexiest sequel,
Dave Jones: and this MySQL does not this does not do this. So
you have to sort of work around Do you have to finagle MySQL to
get it to avoid this issue? Because what if you an imp, a
well, a, excuse me a poorly thought out use of something
like, group by or order by can trigger this problem where you
end up fetching 100,000 rows. And then you actually only
deliver 5000 of them. That was the issue here. What was
confusing me is, it's been triggered by the way
Adam Curry: he was confused about the problem as I am about
the explanation.
Dave Jones: I had to reverse engineer the explanation after I
figured out what the problem was. Okay. What was confusing me
is that it was triggered by the ORDER BY clause. So if I if I
went in to what was happening is those I was ordering the sequel
result by by timestamp on the episodes because you like I
don't know wasn't ordering it by the primary index. Primary Key
is ordering it by the timestamp, because that's a more accurate
record of ref reflection of the chronological order of the of
the feed. So the order by the timestamp is an indexed column.
So I'm like, why is this slow? This doesn't make any sense. And
it ended up it was, what I had to do to fix it was basically,
there, it's this statement has like four different joins, it
joins four different other tables into it when it's
running. So what I had to do is basically make a sub query, that
would only get just it only worked with the primary key,
that's all it did, there was no other things being being asked
for or filtered on than that sub ID. So that's a career was gonna
be very fast, then it hands it back to the outer query, which
does all the joins in orders and orders it because at that point
is ordering by a much smaller set of data. So then, once that
was, once that was figured out, then it fixed all of these
problems all at once. So now everything works, the way you
would expect you get you when you ask for 100 episodes, you
actually get 100 episodes. And that that was because there was
another issue, I was trying to work around this issue. Many,
many like, like, almost at the beginning of the API, I was
trying to work around this issue without understand and I was in
a rush, and I didn't understand what the problem was. And so I
had put like a false floor on this. So what was happening at
the when you would ask for like three episodes by feed ID, you
would ask for 100 episodes, it was true, it was putting like a
false time constraint on it. To try to limit the the try to
limit the set of rows that it was looking for. Wishes a dirty,
ugly, awful weight. And it's just, it's just completely
broken. But I'd forgotten I'd had done this. And so it was
like, let's try to limit it to like if you asked for. If you
asked for 25 episodes, let's try to limit it to like six months.
If you try abs for 100, let's limit it to like a year. You
know, you see what I'm saying. It's like trying to put like
this false time constraint on it is just so horrible. And now, it
doesn't matter. Like all that's fixed, if you can ask for 100
episodes that mattered. If those if some of the episodes were 10
years ago to continue, you're gonna get everything. So we're
good to go on that. The only thing that that I need to add is
somebody asked for in the GitHub, somebody asked for a
essentially like a mode of weird where this where this API will
work differently. So what they were saying some people may not
know that when you ask when you call the episodes by feed ID
endpoint you can give it multiple feed IDs. So you can
say I want episode I want 100 episodes from these seven
different feeds and it will give you back everything it can find
from those seven feeds up to a result count of 100. This
personal nugget have said I want that but I want to be I want to
get that many results from each feed. If I ask for seven fee
didn't ask for 20 episodes, I want to get 20 episodes from
each feed. So it'd be a total of 140 Do you have
Adam Curry: how many? If you ask for what what did you expect
again?
Dave Jones: If you ask for seven fees 20 episodes, you expect to
get 140
Adam Curry: I need 120 episodes. You got me all worked up with
your sexy sequel.
Dave Jones: This is the way you don't fall asleep
Adam Curry: as Ray. Don't fall asleep.
Unknown: Called nein nein Nein. Sexist SQL.
Dave Jones: This is how you entertain yourself by fiddling
with buttons.
Adam Curry: Oh no. I went to a whole website. I searched for
porn music. I was pre listening. I'm like, Oh, this is not this
is not quite it and like, Oh, this is the one this is the
white. There we go. I
Dave Jones: especially always tell when you let when you
listen to slipping. You're like oh, sorry, guys. I'm always
telling you. I love how it started though. Dave
Adam Curry: got to be more that sexy sequel talk. baybay
Dave Jones: I'm fresh out. I used it all on YouTube. Wow.
That's too bad
that's it. Oh, that's it. Period. End of story.
Adam Curry: I pay for that. I pay for that music vital. I
don't have you know, no. Yeah, I
Unknown: paid for. Well, I
Adam Curry: have I pay for a music service. Absolutely.
Dave Jones: What service days?
Adam Curry: Oh, I just closed it. I use the one I use here.
What's it called? It's like a like an annual. What's the core
elements? And vado in vado.com envato.com? Oh, you're
sexy soundtracks? Yedlin photo.com.
Dave Jones: Really getting your money? We're getting your
money's worth. Yeah.
Adam Curry: It's like even. That's where I got our show
theme from this. I bought that.
Dave Jones: Oh, yeah. So your music? Yeah. Okay. Yeah. In vado
elements. Oh,
Adam Curry: man. All right. So do we have anything else that we
must cover today?
Dave Jones: I had on my list for the open podcasts? Yes.
Adam Curry: I had that on my listing. I actually had it up
pretty high, actually.
Dave Jones: But that's fine. We can kick it to next week. The
Adam Curry: open podcast API specification. You were thinking
of building a reference server.
Dave Jones: Yeah, and I did some more research on it this week.
And we come back to next week. I mean, this this file isn't
there's no rush on that.
Adam Curry: I guess not. Do we have a guest next week? We have
a we got a guest coming up. Who do you have next week?
Dave Jones: We do we have Eric from the our podcast the Eric
built the the podcast dashboard for us the one that shows all
the duplicates and all the issues? Yes,
Adam Curry: yes. Yes. Yeah. What else? What else is Eric do white
does the our podcast.
Dave Jones: He does the art. Our pagar is a programming language.
that's used a lot for like stats and scientific analysis. Yes, we
Adam Curry: have. We have interesting people. For sure.
Really have interesting people. Eric, Eric, oh, he's always in
the board of Eric.
Unknown: Bring your bathing suit. Eric will put you into a
hot
Dave Jones: a hot tub. I didn't know the boardroom even had a
Unknown: way the only boardroom with a hot tub.
Dave Jones: How do we afford that? Well, it's
Unknown: more like a warm tub. It's not really hot. It's warm.
We can't heat it up that much. It's more like
Dave Jones: room temperature.
Adam Curry: And let's thank some people. We got been hearing
boost going on throughout the entire show. Let's see what we
got. Well, right there. We have a 5000 SATs from our podcasts
from Eric. That's our dash podcast pouring out one for
Google Reader. He says it was my first gateway to consuming RSS
content. Excited for our dive into the pie dashboard next
week. Yeah, me too. I love that when this Go ahead.
Dave Jones: It sounds like a podcast about pirates, right?
The our podcast
Adam Curry: or? Yeah, I love it that we just delayed talking
about something long enough until someone will finally give
up and come on the show to talk about it.
Dave Jones: Oh man, you blew my he you've exposed my
Adam Curry: strategy and strategy. Dred Scott who has
been indeed has been doing gifs in our chapter art which is
looked dynamite. I'm sorry, not Dred Scott. Dred Scott has just
weighed today. Yes, Dred Scott. Yes, dread. I'm so confused. You
had a Brett you just had a bad brain. Yeah. Why is because of
the lukewarm tub. That's what happened. Yeah, heat water, low
heat. Now he's been doing crazy things with. With the with the
gifs kinds of gifs I think that people are making me GIFs. Now I
gotta put gifs everywhere. For 567 from Jeb, the only way I
could find to surface my pod full my pod roll is true fans.
He really does implement everything. And he has a drive
now has a podcast of ISOs which is worth checking out.
Dave Jones: I'm glad that Drib is dabbling. He's sticking his
toe in the water. He's
Adam Curry: done. We'll put that into the boardroom there. 3333
from Eric peepee. And Erica boosted that for the
protagonist. Remember, when you're boosting a song can
always go back and you can always rewind and even pause it
and boost. Remember to tell them where you heard Tom got into
podcasting to point out 5000 SATs from Sam Sethi. Nice to see
in the version Oh dot one dot 11 of heavy pad and now have the
true fans logo. It's nice to see the true fans logo pop up.
Although I can't reply. Unfortunately with Sam's, I'd
love to be able to reply. Sam Sam Sethi or his people in
America column Hey, Seth. True fans already replaces the apple
category list if medium equals music. So we take the primary
Apple category by E Music. Then we use the wave Lake music
category list to add other options like rock, soul, etc.
Apple will never release a music taxonomy. So we work around
them. No, I mean, it's not even working around them, but just
working ahead of them. That's a good way to do it. I think I'm
sure that everyone else was going to follow this suit as a
good idea. So if medium equals music, then you just move over
to the wavelength music category. I still where does
that live? I know they have a place for it. I'd like just like
to point to it. It's something
Dave Jones: it's on their GitHub. It's on wave legs
Adam Curry: GitHub. Yeah,
Dave Jones: I think there's a link to it in the category in
the podcast, category television thread. Good.
Adam Curry: Another 5000 from Sam Sethi. The iTunes namespace
is not open. It's controlled by Apple. They can change it but
everyone else can't. If we want to add their category list we
can ask but they can and will refuse. Sam Sam big fan of Apple
big fan of apps now these days? Yeah. And another 5000 SAS from
Sam Sethi. He's clearly hit the Pinot Noir everybody. He's up
late. He's drinking. We have enabled artists feeds with that.
With our music publisher feeds, they work the same way. We have
events and ticketing next for artists and a merch store with
on demand delivery payment is both in Fiat or SATs booth. Sam
is building an empire over there man, true face.fm And another
5000 SATs from samsat. The true fans have enabled publisher
feeds, we have 131 Live already. I don't think sovereign feeds
doesn't do publisher feeds yet. That would be cool. I'd love to
do that I'd love to have. I mean, I know that Steven B is so
busy but I'd love to. I'd love to do an example of a publisher
fee because I'm a publisher. I got all kinds of
Dave Jones: lead that Stephen has slowed down a little bit
because he was he was going too fast. He
Adam Curry: was like yeah, he was burning up on reentry. Yes.
Dave Jones: Yeah. He's losing towels.
Adam Curry: I look quick chat with him this week. He's doing
good. He's doing he's doing good. We're very happy. Another
4567 from dribs got chapters may be a bit delayed. He says I have
a very busy weekend starting at noon today until late Sunday.
Hoping to squeeze in chapters somewhere in there. You know
what? Drip family first brother it's all good. Yeah, he does so
many chapters for so many different podcasts that I'm
happy they happen at all. Thank you but
Dave Jones: honestly really shameful for everybody for
everybody and
Adam Curry: everybody who contributes in any way time
talent treasure
Dave Jones: 71 anybody to burn out?
Adam Curry: No 1776 from salty cray on Good afternoon
boardrooms and positive notes Survival Guide got her track bad
little seed used in a UK show coming out as the intro V for V
music is working go podcasting Survival Guide. Oh, I know
survives she is wow. Hold on a second. So Survival Guide. I
think she's an Austin, musician. Survival Guide homeless second.
I am using the ever effervescent split kit to search for this.
Always takes a second because it's getting all those. It's
retrieving everything from Dave's have fixed API. You hope
no not. I'm not so sure. Actually.
Dave Jones: I promise something. Maybe I didn't deliver.
Adam Curry: What's the title of it? It's bad little seed that
little seed
Dave Jones: Survival Guide is Emily from San Antonio. Yes
Adam Curry: yes yes yes That's Chris on death dreams I think
bad little seed Okay, hold on a second do you mind if I just we
just check it out for one second. Hit it. Oh, I'm fast I'm
not that fast there we
Dave Jones: go.
Adam Curry: Please please
Dave Jones: please stand the time
Adam Curry: horrible what you're doing here okay this is bad Lucy
who oh yeah I played this on on the ball keep it out plays me
Yeah, that's good and you can boost that even that little bit
you can boost
Dave Jones: okay, you split kidded that right you spliced it
right in I
Adam Curry: did. Excellent. Well, V for V music is indeed
working and then all of a sudden we get a 45,678 boost from
Trump's got the Bruce Wayne of podcasts in 2.0. And he says
appreciate all you guys do special shout out to Steven B
sovereign feeds that made it possible to start my podcasting
by osmosis osmosis project excitedly named Dred Scott
stuff. We're
Dave Jones: dribbling it need help on the naming front?
Unknown: No, I like it. I like Dred Scott stuff.
Adam Curry: Where I've been posting ISOs I've created over
the years he's like, there's like 20 episodes. Check it out.
Just try and boost before your app ends or switch it to the
next episode. Literally. Each episode is an ISO. Thanks to all
those that have been answering my questions. Hashtag go
podcasting. Thank you, brother. For an intense that's from
anonymous. I'm sorry. 808 from blueberry. There we go. On May
22. I'll be demoing a lit RSS feed feed for the Minnesota
blockchain initiative. Can't wait to use split kit for the
presentation instead of PowerPoint. Yeah. Oh, that's
cool. That's very cool. Blueberry man. He's out there.
And the tone record 20,000 SATs pre show boost today sending out
a shout out to our high school robotics team 2050 to entering
the Minnesota State Championship tomorrow. Let me hear your holid
Nightcrawler. And with that, I think I hit the limiter.
Dave Jones: No, we've got no one off pay pals. Whoa, this week.
Yeah, yeah, it was slow,
Adam Curry: slow and slow. You know, April, April is a bad
month for value for value. DeVore economic we're looking at
it. It turns out every year for 16 years. April is a is a very
slow month and I'm talking about it's a number of donations. Just
purely the number of people but it has to do with taxes as with
all kinds of different stuff, but it's always been a tough
month.
Dave Jones: So it was a big one big cancellation of the month
that came in and then another smaller cancellation of a month
came in so we it was definitely a
Adam Curry: hard times. Hard times
Dave Jones: are tiring lows levels it's 27 things right
hard. Yeah, it's I don't know things are hard but they will
get we definitely have booster grams that we got Chad F Jed
Ferro 3333 from found he says I missed this live because I was
waiting around for Joe Martin's concert to go live. That's
right. We can Yeah, did last week. Yeah,
Adam Curry: I did see some of it. I saw some of the concert
just a little bit. Look good Paul.
Dave Jones: airson 10,001 SATs that's a 101012 found and he
says retro boost. Here's today's Adam Can you hear me? Yeah. When
the power went out on episode 176 That was so I was laughing
for a few minutes. I
Adam Curry: was safe y'all it was mean it was mean.
Dave Jones: 4000 SATs from Rp 1984 or 4000 He's to fountain he
says boost boost. Who essential Richards from just listening.
One One on One through fountain he says I can hardly even get
through the first clip. Cat GPT sounds like a feline explaining
how she is going to eat your balls while you slumber and why
you should be happy about it.
Unknown: Right. Carrie,
Dave Jones: thanks just listen, Sir Brian of London 21 948 Wow.
Through cast ematic Thank you, Brian. Appreciate that. No, no,
no, no. Bucha he's gonna He's gonna He's gonna notices hive
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hardware. Podcasting. 2.0 hasn't paid for pod being hosting in
two plus years just saying
Adam Curry: is that because it's self sustaining or is Brian
paying for it? I don't understand.
Dave Jones: It's got something something to do with hive
staking that I don't understand. Like somehow you stake a portion
of hive and then it just does something okay as
Adam Curry: long as as long as Brian's not paying for anything
I've
Dave Jones: asked him multiple times and he says that it's that
he's not that it's not costing him any money okay, that's all
it's got something to do with like I don't understand staking
in general but it's got something to do with like you
stake this much
Adam Curry: guy you put some money up you put some money in
Dave Jones: and then as long as it stays there like it just
keeps rolling or something they he can explain it to me and I'll
I'll do it and I will return the information. Okay. Karen for the
mere mortals podcasts that's a Richards 1111 He says I don't
think my last live boosts got through Oh no. Guys I'm worried
after all that gunfire the ad safety human SLAs are going to
block and do monetize you I'm going I'm going over and
enabling auto downloads on Apple to help you out you're welcome
Adam Curry: hook us up man smash that like button switch on
Apple's auto download hook us up brother you really help us a lot
thanks man.
Dave Jones: Sir Oh sir Bill 100,000 sets Whoa That
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Adam Curry: and come on in sir bill. Come on into our onto our
room temperature to join us to tap into join us. Does he have a
Baba Baba Baba booster Graham.
Dave Jones: He says boost your favorite podcasts. Exclamation
point.
Unknown: Boosted with an exclamation point.
Dave Jones: Boost. Thank you, Bill.
Adam Curry: Thanks. Let's see tip. Top. Top is
Dave Jones: everybody loves a tepid tub. And usually Costello
Hey Ainsley. Do fountain she sends boost 2500 boost to to the
artists lesson who what did we play last week? For the song we
played I can't remember this
Adam Curry: song we played last week. It was sweet cheeks the
velvet axe.
Dave Jones: Okay, yeah. So she boosted that. Oh, she says heard
it on the board meeting.
Adam Curry: Ah, there you go. That's how you do it. Thank you.
Thank you. Ainsley.
Dave Jones: Karen comes back again for another session of
Richard's they found and he says cat GPT is super clever, great
wordplay. Dave also just crossed a million Sasa support via
fountain.
Adam Curry: Yeah,
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Adam Curry: chyron as you know, when you're a member of the
million Satoshi club, you've got a spot in the tap into always
Dave Jones: caring, caring, caring goes bareback he's not
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nasty man.
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podcast? Yeah,
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gravity to celebrate the first anniversary of VTn. Nice. Nice
night back in Houston. Oh, he
Adam Curry: went back and went. Oh, that's perfect. I love that.
And it still works. Of course it does. Of course. This stuff will
be around forever, man. Huh,
Dave Jones: Episode 131 Toilet scroller?
Adam Curry: There's some common theme with us. Dave there's
bathroom humor everywhere. It's not a toilet. It's a tub. I'm
telling you.
Dave Jones: It's called childishness. Jean Everett 3333.
Through fountain he says I can hear the vocal frost slipping in
from the NPR lady. I can hear JCD in my head calling it out.
Yeah, no. Yeah, for sure. And we get to delimiter There he is.
26,000 SATs from a broccoli field comic strip blogger,
fountain.
Adam Curry: Broccoli filled. He's broccoli. He's filled with
broccoli. Okay.
Dave Jones: He loves broccoli. It gives me gas but whatever.
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Adam Curry: Do you know that? That I did the entire voiceover
for a for an actual porn movie in the 80s? No, I did. No, you
did. Yes. I did. It. I'm telling you it received an award from
Hustler magazine when I was 17 not listen, I was 17 I was
doing. I was doing my pirate radio show. This is English or
Dutch in English is a true story. I was doing my pirate
radio show in Amsterdam, a decibel radio. And yeah, he was
using the name John Holden. Yeah, that was right that it's
hard to like John Holden decibel radio lady. Yes. And, and so
there was this very famous guy in Holland Vilem from Kota and
he owned a big record. Record Company. He's still alive. He's,
he's in his late 80s. I've talked to him from time to time.
And he finance this movie, which was about a club called job,
Jim. Why ABYUM You can look it up yum. Yum, I think is still a
sex club today. And it was, and it was this whole movie in
Amsterdam, where this detect it was starred a net Haven, who I
don't know if she's still with us, but she was an actual adult
film star. And some, they'd gotten some British actor who
was who was playing a detective. And he was really perfect for
the role if you know what I mean. But he had a very good a
very witty, wimpy English accent. And so they wanted me to
dub his voice. And I did the whole movie. And it got I think,
got the fully erect penis award from Hustler magazine. And I
still Yeah, it's true. You ad yard. Yeah, I did the ad. I was
like, I'm from a city health inspection, ma'am. I mean, I can
remember some of the lines. I bet if I saw the movie, I could
still do some of those lines.
Dave Jones: So he was purely hard for the size of his Yeah,
exactly.
Adam Curry: Yes. Mike. Stan. Exactly.
Dave Jones: Well
Adam Curry: done. Yeah. That was my early. My early career who
know? I just remember this. Yeah, I just remembered this.
Oh,
Dave Jones: I've got to get clips from this. This somebody
please call
Adam Curry: called Let me see. Movie. Hot Pursuit.
Dave Jones: That's the name of the movie The Hot Hot Pursuit?
Adam Curry: Policy. 1987 Let me say we probably have to put in
adult movie. adult movie. Ad yeah, there it is. Ad it's on
IMDb.
Unknown: Did you have a credit? Credit? I don't know. Let's find
out. Oh, we
Dave Jones: gotta find this out. That's gotta be Oh,
Adam Curry: man. Would it be funny if they had if they had a
clip from it? Miss Oh, something. Something went wrong
there hyperdrive motivator has been damaged out here we go. And
that haven is Little Miss Shirley. Abel Cain was the
detective that I don't think I get I don't think I get a
credit. There's the director
Dave Jones: and you did you did the total overdub and you don't
get any credit completely
Adam Curry: complete overnight. I don't think I got any credit.
No, I they should add me to this though. Oh, man, that
Dave Jones: was a crazy thing to do. That's like no you couldn't
you're no no.
Unknown: No, you pay well.
Adam Curry: It didn't really matter that much it but it was
it was more than just a it was a it was a lot of it was a feature
film was a lot of dialogue in this Yeah, bed. It's like a lot
of a lot of ready for the dope. Ah,
Unknown: yeah. Oh, baby.
Dave Jones: It's just a lot of that. You could just you could
just like, take a few cuts of that. And then just like loop it
and I
Adam Curry: and I remember, be sure I'll just finish up with
this. That's right. And that
Unknown: hey, how did it end?
Adam Curry: No, but But I remember that had to do a scene
with a female ADR. And it was this beautiful black woman and
we're both in the studio moaning instead Just she's like in a in
a tracksuit and on my jeans and I just remember how weird it
was. Uh huh. Yeah. Yeah, baby it was it was
Unknown: was very very very weird. This
Dave Jones: was the the music video for Sweet Emotion. That's
what it reminds me of with, you know, music video. Yeah, the end
of the video the lady ironing and she's doing the phone sex.
Yes. Yeah.
Adam Curry: That's kind of what it was. It's kind of what it
was. I have not talked about that in at least 30 years and
why would you obviously
Dave Jones: yeah, I mean, like, you don't want that. Get out of
the bag. Oops.
Adam Curry: I don't I don't think I don't think there's any.
It'd be funny if we could still find I probably have the VHS
somewhere in my in a box somewhere.
Dave Jones: If if we don't get clips of this button next week.
Unknown: I'll be very disappointed.
Dave Jones: Veteran Dutch
Unknown: man Oh, man. Oh, man. All right. Okay.
Adam Curry: Are we done? Have we have we completed our
broadcasts? Hey, brother, have yourself a great weekend. Dave.
Thanks, everybody in the boardroom. See you back here on
Friday for podcasting 2.0.
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